Sunday Morning Book Thread 11-13-2016: There's Got To Be A Morning After [OregonMuse]

Library of the Spanish Royal Academy of Artillery

(Thanks to lurking moron Fastfreefall for the pic. Lots of history there as this is the library the longest continuously running artillery school in the world. You can see the gorgeous hardwood floors, if you click on the pic for the larger version.)

Good morning to all of you morons and moronettes and bartenders everywhere and all the ships at sea. Welcome to AoSHQ's stately, prestigious, internationally acclaimed and high-class Sunday Morning Book Thread, where men are men, all the 'ettes are gorgeous, safe spaces are underneath your house and are used as protection against actual dangers, like tornados, hurricanes, IRS audits, and having wikileaks dump your emails into the public domain a week before the election, and special snowflakes can't stand the heat. And unlike other AoSHQ comment threads, the Sunday Morning Book Thread is so hoity-toity, pants are required. Even if it's these hideous monstrosities.

Hillary Clinton Will Never Be President

Actually, I have nothing to say about this. I just like typing it.

(h/t Duke Lowell)

Trump Wins!

Now that the dust from the election has settled, and everybody can see that the progressives got their asses handed to them, they have shifted to their 'Plan B' strategy, which is to attempt to delegitimize the election results. Hence, the riots and the 'not my president' high school walkouts and the various anti-Trump Twitter hashtags and other forms of toddlerfits that have multiplied like cockroaches. It's going to get worse before it gets better.

As I am writing this on Thursday afternoon, the FAB currently leads in the popular vote. This is a completely trivial factoid, but if her leads hold, it will become a Dem talking point and flung about indiscriminately by the Dems media allies and inside men as if it meant anything. They tried this during the 2000 Bush v. Gole debacle. It was BS then and it's BS now.

Didn't any of these guys have civics classes in grade school? *I* did. And this is what I remember:

At the time of the American Revolution, when the Founders were hashing out the features of the federal goverment they thought would be the best (and by 'best', I mean 'most just' not 'most efficient'), one of the issues that they needed to resolve was the competition between large states vs. small states. The Founders were concerned that the large states would simply overwhelm the small states in every election, so they wanted to balance that out a bit, and give the small states a bit of leverage so that they wouldn't be shut out entirely.

Thus the Electoral College.

I think the Electoral College is a work of genius. It makes presidential elections more difficult to win, and forces the candidates to earn the support of a broad coalition of states, not just a few populous ones. Without the EC, the president would be elected by a mere plebiscite and nowadays, that means that all a candidate has to do is to carry in a few blue states, 30-35 counties tops, and he can pretty much ignore the rest of the country. Or, back then, all they had to do was carry 2-3 big states, and that would be that.

I tried explaining this back in 2000 to a frustrated liberal coworker who wanted to abolish the electoral college because his side lost the election. You wouldn't believe the blank stare I got.

I thought what I was telling him was just basic civics that everyone knew.

So, with him in mind, this book might be of interest, Understanding Presidential Elections: The Constitution, Caucuses, Primaries, Electoral College, and More by Catherine Jaime. Updated for the 2016 election, this book answers some basic questions:

Are we really casting a vote directly for one of them or for an elector, and what is the difference? And going backwards from November, how did those men and/or women end up on the November ballot in the first place? What is the process of a political party choosing their candidate, through this confusing array of caucuses and primaries that have been held?

This little book walks through the constitutional background and basis for this critical office, and then goes through the nomination process of caucuses and primaries, ending with the electoral college process that completes the cycle every four years.

This book includes Jaime's other book, Understanding the Electoral College.

And all for only $4.99 on Kindle.

And then there's Enlightened Democracy: The Case for the Electoral College by Tara Ross and George Will, does a little bit more than explain what the EC is, but argues for its existence:

Pick up a newspaper and read about the Electoral College. It is a sure recipe for losing respect for the institution. Media commentators are swift to dismiss the institution as outdated and elitist, an anachronism that should be replaced by a direct popular vote. In recent years, this discontent has found a voice as a well-funded, California-based effort seeks to bypass the constitutional amendment process and effectively eliminate the Electoral College through a series of state laws. Such efforts to eliminate the Electoral College are misguided, and this book shows why. Written in straightforward language, Enlightened Democracy traces the history of the Electoral College from the Constitutional Convention to the present. This second edition of the book is revised and expanded to include a new section about the National Popular Vote legislative effort. The Electoral College protects our republic and promotes our liberty. Americans should defend their unique presidential election system at all costs.

California? It figures. A big state trying to out-muscle the small states. I've heard of similar measures in other states, such as the one in Colorado (I think) that wanted to award its electoral votes to whichever candidate won the popular vote. Hello? So you want to sacrifice even the little bit of leverage you have in presidential elections? You really want give your electoral votes according to how the vote goes in California, New York, Illinois, and Florida? A more short-sighted idea would be difficult to come up with.

Method in Madness

So here's something that's been on my "I need to get to this" pile since summer. I probably should get to this.

FBI profiling pioneer John Douglas, in one of his books (I forget which one) discussed insanity and criminality at some length. He loathed the use of the insanity plea in murder cases where the killers clearly used coherent thought and reasoning ability to commit their crimes--thinking and reasoning abilities that proved beyond doubt these killers weren't crazy. They were evil. They were criminal.

Douglas interviewed David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam killer, and coaxed Berkowitz into admitting that there was no ghost dog whispering murderous thoughts into his head. There was only David Berkowitz, a fucked-up loser who got off sexually by shooting young couples in their cars. The 'Son of Sam' craziness was a bullshit story he made up beforehand so that Berkowitz could cop a plea in case he was caught--and he figured he'd get caught eventually.

Posted by: troyriser at August 22, 2016 01:05 PM (OGbEB)

I had never heard of John Douglas, so I looked him up on Amazon. He's written or co-written a number of non-fiction crime books. I'm a bit put off that he allowed himself to be marketed on the book covers as "the FBI's legendary mindhunter" (wth is a 'mindhunter'?) and also "the premier FBI investigator", but the books sound interesting. I'm not sure which one Troy was thinking of, as I couldn't find one whose Amazon blurb specifically referenced the 'Son of Sam' murders, so perhaps it might be this one, Obsession: The FBI's Legendary Profiler Probes the Psyches of Killers, Rapists and Stalkers and Their Victims and Tells How to Fight Back and that self-aggrandizing title makes my teeth ache. The blurb isn't much better:

In this eagerly awaited new book by the international best-selling authors of "Mindhunter" and "Journey into Darkness", master FBI profiler John Douglas takes us into the minds and souls of both the hunters and the hunted. The legendary former head of the FBI's Investigative Support Unit, Douglas was the pioneer of modern behavioral profiling of serial criminals. In "Mindhunter", we followed his development into a modern, real-life Sherlock Holmes as he tracked down the Atlanta child murderer, San Francisco's Trailside Killer, and Seattle's Green River Killer-- a chase that nearly cost him his life

I looked at some of his other books, but as the blurbs all pretty much read the same, I had trouble telling them apart.

Not that there's not any worthwhile stuff in them. It was just hard to get past the self-glorification. I would be embarrassed if I were an author and my books were being marketed that way, no matter what my accomplishments were.

I, too, do not like the "innocent by reason of insanity" defense, and would welcome a good discussion on how we can best assign culpability to the mentally impaired while ferreting out the fakers and the truly evil. Troy's question is a good one: Shouldn't evidence that killers clearly used coherent thought and reasoning ability to commit their crimes pretty much invalidate any kind of insanity defense? Isn't coherent thought and action pretty much the definition of sanity?

Simply Irresistible

Another pic of pookysgirl's daughter pookette:

Happy Days Are Here Again

The crashing and burning of Hillary Clinton like the Eye of Sauron at the end of The Return of the King has put moron author 'naturalfake' in a mighty good mood. And so his good fortune is *our* good fortune. For he has reduced the price of all four of his Wearing the Cat comic novels to ZERO until tomorrow, Monday the 14th. So now would be a good chance to get them ALL:

Wearing the Cat: Part One: Flaming Hoops
Wearing the Cat: Part Two: The Fox's Den
Wearing the Cat: Part Three: His Golden Time
Wearing the Cat: Part Four: The Black Room

Moron Recommendations

Over on the goodreads group, moron cool breeze recommends the espionage thriller Red Sparrow by Jason Matthews. He says it's

One of the best espionage thrillers written since the end of the Cold War. Many other authors floundered around after the fall of the Berlin wall, substituting drug lords, jihadis, arms dealers, evil corporations, etc. for the old Soviet menace, but it usually wound up feeling forced. Vladimir Putin, unfortunately, is the real deal.

And so is the author:

The author, Jason Matthews, is a retired 33-year veteran of the CIA's Operations Directorate who specialized in denied-area operations. As a result, the tradecraft feels quite realistic, although a few of the plot devices stretch credibility. Amusingly, Matthews strongly resembles fictional accountant/spy Cyril Figgis of "Archer".

Apparently, food figures prominently in this book as there is a recipe in each chapter.

Another comment:

I'm native Russian speaker and can appreciate Jason's mastering of complex Russian expressions, capturing (as very few could) of the meaning of some of the most difficult ones.

Amazon blurb:

State intelligence officer Dominika Egorova struggles to survive in the cast-iron bureaucracy of post-Soviet intelligence. Drafted against her will to become a “Sparrow,” a trained seductress in the service, Dominika is assigned to operate against Nathaniel Nash, a first-tour CIA officer who handles the CIA’s most sensitive penetration of Russian intelligence. The two young intelligence officers, trained in their respective spy schools, collide in a charged atmosphere of tradecraft, deception, and, inevitably, a forbidden spiral of carnal attraction that threatens their careers and the security of America’s most valuable mole in Moscow.

So I guess there should be a warning for sex scenes. I have no idea how explicit they are.

Books By Morons

Moronette Celia Hayes will shortly have a new book out, the stand-alone novel The Golden Road:

Sixteen year old Fredi Steinmetz longed for adventure and riches. What better way to find both than to follow the Gold Rush from Texas to California, But he didn't reckon on bandits, and robbers, gold in the riverbanks, murder in the streets of San Francisco and the saloons of Moke Hill, a rich cache under a half-dead pine tree on the North Fork, of Mormons and gold-miners, fugitive Fenians, and the Lotta Crabtree, the Faery Star dancing under a glittering golden rain thrown on stage The wild west was never wilder.

The Kindle edition is $3.99. If you pre-order it now, it will be delivered to your device on Nov. 18th.

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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, rumors, threats, and insults may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm.

What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.

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1 Andrew M Watson, Agricultural innovation in the early Islamic world (Cambridge University Press, 1983)

Many, many books have been written about the Columbian Interchange, where the Old World got potatoes and the New World got the Spaniards. Here, Andrew M Watson is arguing for a Muhammadan Interchange (he calls it the "Arab Agricultural Revolution") where the Near East got about eighteen agricultural products during "Late Antiquity" they didn't have under the Romans.

These include eggplant, citrus-fruit (mainly citron), and sugar-cane. Also cotton, as the one nonedible. Some of these had shown up in the West before Islam. But they weren't *grown* in the West, and weren't shipped in great quantity. Usually they were sold as medicines first. When they didn't work, but tasted good anyway, they were sold as luxuries. If demand spread, the plants would be brought and an attempt made to grow them.

Watson found that all this stuff came from India. Sometimes the ultimate origin was Africa (sorghum / millet); but these were brought to India in antiquity, bred for Indian conditions, and sold west. He admits some of it came west under the Sasanians in Iran (200-600 AD), but not in great quantity.

Watson thinks the technological and economic conditions of the late Roman and proto-Byzantine region were primitive. Even these were decaying. If the Western farmer *had* got, say, a bushel of rice-seeds, he'd not have been able to irrigate them. The Muslim farmer, by contrast, lived under a regime (at the time) more friendly to capitalism and innovation (at least in science). There was also the benefit of a single empire keeping the routes open. So if he heard about a cool trick they were using in Egypt to water plants over that ridge, he could use it.

This book is great; I have learnt a LOT about the origins of foods we all take for granted. It is well worth the $15 I spent at the used bookstore, probably worth twice that much. Sadly it's dated; and the 2008 reissue seems to be minimal, just a new foreword and bibliography. If someone could revisit this after the latest DNA research, it would be worth still more.

There are also critiques, most notably Michael Decker, "Plants and Progress" (2009). But Decker seems to be wrong about the artichoke, and Watson to be vindicated: Clifford A. Wright, "Did the ancients know the artichoke?" (Fall, 2009). See themedievalarabagriculturalrevolution . blogspot.com.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 13, 2016 09:01 AM (J9qpF)

2 Tolle lege

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 13, 2016 09:01 AM (GH68B)

3 OM you found a library from my heart.

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 13, 2016 09:02 AM (GH68B)

4 Finished John Ringo's Legacy of Aldenada series. Now starting SM Serling's Island In the Sea of Time series.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 09:03 AM (mpXpK)

5 As I am writing this on Thursday afternoon, the FAB currently leads in the popular vote. This is a completely trivial factoid,....

Keep in mind that they do not count absentee ballots in most States unless the election is close. So if they counted all the military absentee ballots I would wager that Scankles also lost the popular vote.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 09:07 AM (mpXpK)

6 Regarding the "Hillary won the popular vote" meme, have they even counted all the military absentee ballots? I thought the procedure was to count them only if their number would change the election results. Meaning they may well still be sitting there unopened and uncounted. They wouldn't change the actual results, but considering military breaks 70% republican, they may (probably) would change the popular vote results. Does anyone know?

Posted by: Average Jen at November 13, 2016 09:07 AM (FTbWI)

7 Pookette is absurdly adorable.

I'm currently reading a book about the lead up to WW1, which usually gets only the most cursory of treatment in your typical history class. I'm not very far into it, but the clusterfuckery involved even in the events leading to Archduke Ferdinand's assassination is almost unbelievable.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 13, 2016 09:07 AM (0mRoj)

8 Previously recommended here by OM and others, I read Mao: The Unknown Story by Jung Chang and Jon Halliday. A very well-researched and detailed work, this book dispels the myths surrounding Mao. He was not a great military leader during the Long March, not a great philosopher or national leader, nor a great friend to the Chinese peasants. One of the few things he was good at was piling up dead bodies to get into power or to stay there. An interesting portrait of one of the most evil men of all times.

Posted by: Zoltan at November 13, 2016 09:08 AM (r8Q8T)

9 6 Regarding the "Hillary won the popular vote" meme, have they even counted all the military absentee ballots? I thought the procedure was to count them only if their number would change the election results. Meaning they may well still be sitting there unopened and uncounted. They wouldn't change the actual results, but considering military breaks 70% republican, they may (probably) would change the popular vote results. Does anyone know?
Posted by: Average Jen at November 13, 2016 09:07 AM (FTbWI)

I don't know this time around, but I do know military and other overseas ballots were deliberately excluded en masse in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of uncounted Trump votes there.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 13, 2016 09:09 AM (0mRoj)

10 i don't believe the Cubs really won the world series - the score is currently 27 to 27 so another game is required to settle the matter

Posted by: T. Francona at November 13, 2016 09:09 AM (AZ08z)

11 The founders small State vs large concern was the reason for the Senate. The electoral college was primarily because in those days communication was difficult and a long process. Also the founders NEVER intended for a direct election because they did not trust the "mobs". The electors were supposed to be chosen by the State legislatures and sent to Washington for the election.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 09:10 AM (mpXpK)

12 10 i don't believe the Cubs really won the world series - the score is currently 27 to 27 so another game is required to settle the matter
Posted by: T. Francona at November 13, 2016 09:09 AM (AZ08z)

Ohio pollsters still have the Indians ahead by five points.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 13, 2016 09:10 AM (0mRoj)

13 After slacking all week just picked up again Desolation Island by Patrick O'Brian, about 1/2 way through.
A recommendation from someone is Andrew Wareham's "Man of Conflict" series, a bit like the Sharpe series but not a one man army I take it.

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 13, 2016 09:11 AM (GH68B)

14 It'll be a cold day in hell before I ever wear crocheted pants. I actually like and embrace my heterosexuality.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 13, 2016 09:14 AM (0mRoj)

15 Liberals are dumb.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 13, 2016 09:15 AM (89T5c)

16 The military as a whole could produce more votes than some states.

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 13, 2016 09:16 AM (GH68B)

17 I tried explaining this back in 2000 to a frustrated liberal coworker who wanted to abolish the electoral college because his side lost the election. You wouldn't believe the blank stare I got.

I saw some speculation before the election that Trump might win the popular vote but lose the Electoral College. That would have been hard to take, but I wouldn't have advocated abolishing the EC because of it.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at November 13, 2016 09:17 AM (sdi6R)

18 15 Liberals are dumb.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 13, 2016 09:15 AM (89T5c)

Some are, but never underestimate your enemy.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 13, 2016 09:17 AM (0mRoj)

19 You haven't mentioned the most devastating objection to making the popular vote determine the winner. In a close election like this one (less than 100,000 nationwide, I think), we'd have Bush-Gore-style recounts going on in every county of every state for months as each party tried to find more valid-looking votes for themselves and invalidate more of the other side's votes. It would be an electoral Hell a hundred times worse than Florida 2000 - that was bad enough, even in just four counties in one state. The Electoral College avoids messy recounts in the Presidential contest except in the rare cases like 2000 where the EV difference comes down to one state and that one state is very very close.

(This is not an original argument, but I have no idea who I heard it from - in 2000, of course.)

Posted by: Dr Weevil at November 13, 2016 09:18 AM (yPnLb)

20 Pookette reminded me: I have had three cats in my life and all were 'reading' cats. The first always sat next to me while I played the piano and pawed at keys. Second sat next to me while reading and chewed the corners of whatever I was reading (found an old book with chewed corners and got teary-eyed). Third cuddles into my armpit and paws at pages until I scrub his head. The first two were very standoffish and didn't cuddle -- that was their version of cuddling. Hey, I missed the pet thread yesterday.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 13, 2016 09:19 AM (MIKMs)

21 The military as a whole could produce more votes than some states.

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 13, 2016 09:16 AM (GH68B)

Not so sure about that. The Military is small and getting smaller. THAT is one of the problems

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2016 09:20 AM (dELE3)

22 Well I am just over 14,000 words into my NaNoWriMo story. Which is amazing since on the 4th had no idea if I even was going write anything. So will keep chugging along.

"Fornicate the beer," he said. "I want rum, Coke, and plenty of limes."

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 13, 2016 09:21 AM (i4AI5)

23 That kitteh guarding pookette is scary-looking.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 13, 2016 09:21 AM (EZebt)

24 And speaking of the Electoral College, are we really certain that they will elect Trump when they convene? Let's just say that I'm "concerned" about the possibility of shenanigans.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at November 13, 2016 09:22 AM (sdi6R)

25 I, too, do not like the "innocent by reason of insanity" defense, and
would welcome a good discussion on how we can best assign culpability to
the mentally impaired while ferreting out the fakers and the truly
evil.

The insanity plea doesn't consider them "innocent by reason of insanity". They are actually admitting that they committed the crime and are seeking to avoid punishment because under the current guidelines they have to be so impaired that they did not understand what they were doing. After Hinkly got off for shooting Reagan most States rewrote their laws to make it more difficult to plead this defense. It has reached the point now that the majority of crimminals who use the insanity defense wind up spending more time locked up in mental institutions than they would have spent in a normal prison if they had simply plea bargained and pled guilty.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 09:22 AM (mpXpK)

26 You'll be sorry! But don't come crying to me in four years! I'm done with you people! I'm doing cool stuff.

Posted by: Jeb Bush at November 13, 2016 09:22 AM (OkKDg)

27 Ah, the cute little girl returns, and again with a book in her hands.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 09:23 AM (mpXpK)

28 "Downheartedness was no man's part. A man must stand up and do the best he can with what there is. If the thing he labored to uncover now seemed in danger of stultifying him, could a rational being find nothing to do? If mind failed you, seeing no pattern; and heart failed you, seeing no point, the stout, stubborn will must be up and doing. A pattern should be found; a point should be imposed. Was that too much?"

- James Gould Cozzens, Guard of Honor

It's a pity the novels of James Gould Cozzens (1903-197

are all out of print. Surrounded as we are by little children in adult outfits having temper tantrums and threatening to run away, Cozzens's novels are a bracing reminder that we have to live as adults.

The central characters are professionals of one kind or another, doctors, clergy, lawyers, businessmen. The themes are bleakly realistic: you're going to get a raw deal; you will have to compromise your principles; sometimes all your choices are bad ones. Shut up and deal with it.

Guard of Honor, about three days at a Army Air Forces base in Florida, won the 1949 Pulitzer Prize. I would recommend it and The Just and the Unjust (1942) as the best of his work.

Irving Howe sneered in The New Republic in 1958 that Cozzens was a spokesman for "a civilization that finds its symbolic embodiment in Dwight David Eisenhower and its practical guide in John Foster Dulles." Considering that Eisenhower's kind of civilization has survived and prospered and Howe's has fallen into History's dust, kept alive only by irrational anti-Americanism, I'd say there are worse insults.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at November 13, 2016 09:23 AM (J8/9G)

29 That kitteh guarding pookette is scary-looking.
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Don't mess with MY kid.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 13, 2016 09:24 AM (MIKMs)

30 23 That kitteh guarding pookette is scary-looking.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 13, 2016 09:21 AM (EZebt)

Kuroneko!

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 13, 2016 09:24 AM (0mRoj)

31 6
Regarding the "Hillary won the popular vote" meme, have they even
counted all the military absentee ballots? I thought the procedure was
to count them only if their number would change the election results.
Meaning they may well still be sitting there unopened and uncounted.
They wouldn't change the actual results, but considering military breaks
70% republican, they may (probably) would change the popular vote
results. Does anyone know?

Posted by: Average Jen at November 13, 2016 09:07 AM (FTbWI)

I see we are thinking alike here.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 09:25 AM (mpXpK)

32 On the topic of election butthurt & books, comic artist George Lopez, illustrator of many of DC's titles in the 70s & 80s, has said he's boycotting all conventions held in Trump states. He may want to rethink that, convention appearances are the only way these old artists make any money.

Posted by: josephistan at November 13, 2016 09:25 AM (7qAYi)

33 23 That kitteh guarding pookette is scary-looking.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 13, 2016 09:21 AM (EZebt)

A guard kitty should be scary-looking.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at November 13, 2016 09:25 AM (sdi6R)

34 Kitteh looks a bit like Toothless from How to Train Your Dragon.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 13, 2016 09:26 AM (0mRoj)

35 Not the FABs last shot. I believe she will run in 2020. Unless the dementia gets her by then. She will be 74, same age as Bernie.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 13, 2016 09:27 AM (dnWSK)

36 Let's just say that I'm "concerned" about the possibility of shenanigans.
Posted by: rickl

I doubt that. If anything, therre were electors who vowed not to vote for Hillary, because she was so corrupt.

For all their bellyaching, I don't think they would risk the ire of the (legal) majority with a cheat of that scale.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 13, 2016 09:27 AM (OkKDg)

37 Another pic of pookysgirl's daughter pookette

and her familiar.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, twice as smug as you at November 13, 2016 09:28 AM (0F67M)

38 NGU- Yes as the goverment got bigger only the military part got smallerin the last 8 years, maybe that trend will reverse.

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 13, 2016 09:28 AM (GH68B)

39 If you want a book that Millenials can relate to that will help them understand why we have an Electoral College, point them to The Hunger Games. That whole "decadent urban area v. starving provinces" scenario is exactly what the EC was designed to prevent.

Posted by: Sisqui at November 13, 2016 09:29 AM (k5g8v)

40 Ashley Book of Knots. The oldest wants her own vokchatka - a russian whip that is really more of a three foot long blackjack than anything else - to build hand and arm strength for her shashka handling. The ones from Russia are either unaffordbale or else just tourist junk. The young lady is a Cossack at heart.

Awful dusty in here.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at November 13, 2016 09:29 AM (6C8ZP)

41 Only if the cat boasts a name such as Salem or Paiwacket

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 13, 2016 09:29 AM (i4AI5)

42 "As for the third, 'I don't like Dewey. I don't like the way he treats bellhops and porters and waiters - the little people who wait on him. That's a good indication of the kind of damned snooty guy you've got on your hands.'"

- Allen Drury, A Senate Journal

Lyndon Johnson once asked Dean Acheson, "Dean, why don't people like me?" To which Acheson replied, "Because you're not a likeable person."

One more reason why Clinton lost. She's very bad at concealing her belief that little people are dust beneath her feet. I look forward with relish to the tell-all books now that she and the whole Clinton Camorra are out of power.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at November 13, 2016 09:29 AM (J8/9G)

43 That kitteh guarding pookette is scary-looking.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 13, 2016 09:21 AM (EZebt)

Not scary. Just intense, determined. "I won't the liberals harm her."

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 13, 2016 09:29 AM (OkKDg)

44 Some radio guy used to make a point that there is no general right to vote in the Presidential election, maybe Levin?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 13, 2016 09:29 AM (P/kVC)

45 35
Not the FABs last shot. I believe she will run in 2020. Unless the
dementia gets her by then. She will be 74, same age as Bernie.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 13, 2016 09:27 AM (dnWSK)

From the morning links:

Recall that video of Scankles being dragged into the van. The guy that took it said she was shaking uncontrollably once inside the van. We will probably be hearing something on her health now.

http://bit.ly/2fH0hFD

There is a good chance she will not be around in 2020.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 09:30 AM (mpXpK)

46 There is a good chance she will not be around in 2020.

I don't think she will see 2018. Hate can only animate a corpse for so long.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, twice as smug as you at November 13, 2016 09:31 AM (0F67M)

47 I would have posed Pookette with Clausewitz's On War

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 13, 2016 09:31 AM (GH68B)

48 Good morning, horde. I read at least one John Douglas book and I'm not sure I finished it. He is so insanely full of himself and really seems to think no one can solve crimes without him. I am going to get the book OM mentioned because it sounds like it focuses on victims and their families. I expect I will end up annoyed after finding that it focuses on John Douglas focusing on how wonderful he is to help the victims' families.

I finished "The Girl On The Train" and gave it three stars on amazon. The pacing was horribly slow, and all of the characters were annoying. I'm sure I was supposed to feel buckets of sympathy for the protagonist and her sad slide into alcoholism but mostly I found her annoying. The author got an extra star for fooling me a very good long while about whodunnit.

"Hillbilly Elegy" proceeds although the election greatly impeded my reading because Facebook. But back to it - I'm sure it will be most interesting.

And the OJ Simpson murder book continues and the prosecution is about to get totally blindsided over the Fuhrman/"N-word" debacle. I just want this to be over but I'm curious about the detectives, if they will have any additional insights I never heard of before.

I'm trying to read "How To Be Holy" by Peter Kreeft but I'm not making much progress. My fondness for murder mysteries does not help at all. I shall have to focus on it being a rather short book, and then I think I will read Kreeft's book about reading the Bible.

I need a bedtime book so I have some that I read, probably in high school, by Gwen Bristow. And I got a new Meg Langslow, new to me, not "new," as I'm reading them in order.

Posted by: Tonestaple at November 13, 2016 09:32 AM (uAU0q)

49 I wonder if there is a way for the Horde writers on Amazon to have a Black Friday group sale? Or schedule it for say December 26th so people will have a bundle of new books to read in the new year?

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 13, 2016 09:32 AM (i4AI5)

50 Yay book thread!

Mini-Pookette has a mini jaguar body guard.

Love the library photo.

I am so lazy today I might skip blogging but that would ruin my record of a post every day.

Posted by: @Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 13, 2016 09:33 AM (Om16U)

51 Just curious: has anyone run the EC vote had the US as a whole used the Maine method of apportioning electoral votes, where EVs are by congressional district, with two given to the candidate with the most?

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at November 13, 2016 09:33 AM (J8/9G)

52 42 "As for the third, 'I don't like Dewey. I don't like the way he treats bellhops and porters and waiters - the little people who wait on him. That's a good indication of the kind of damned snooty guy you've got on your hands.'"

- Allen Drury, A Senate Journal

That's actually a really good way to evaluate someone's character.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 13, 2016 09:33 AM (0mRoj)

53 Actual idiot on the FascBook.

It would be great if the [Electoral College] worked like it was supposed to. But dishonesty has taken over by the jerry Mandering(sic)

When I told her that it was not possible to Gerrymander the Electoral College, she called me an idiot.

Posted by: V the K at November 13, 2016 09:34 AM (jn7FC)

54 >>>Not the FABs last shot. I believe she will run in 2020.

She barely got through this one, and they had to pump her full of chemicals to do it. No, she's toast.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at November 13, 2016 09:34 AM (ppaKI)

55 Here's a horrifying fb post that's being shared around. It's little more than a declaration of war - murderdeathkill war - on all Trump states.
http://tinyurl.com/zj4s6e2

Posted by: josephistan at November 13, 2016 09:35 AM (7qAYi)

56 46 There is a good chance she will not be around in 2020.

I don't think she will see 2018. Hate can only animate a corpse for so long.
Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, twice as smug as you at November 13, 2016 09:31 AM (0F67M)

She'll have to wear special armor and have wind-up clockwork like Col. Kroenen in Hellboy.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 13, 2016 09:35 AM (0mRoj)

57 Thats why the Clintons need to be investigated and cut off at the knees. If the Clinton Foundation is shown to be a money laundering criminal enterprise maybe, just maybe even Chelsea will be down before she ever starts.

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 13, 2016 09:35 AM (GH68B)

58 I am laughing much too hard at this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRJg8Vg3MRg

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at November 13, 2016 09:35 AM (sdi6R)

59 Actually the Gerrymandering of the Electoral College has occurred.

When the House of Representatives voted to limit the size of their chamber to 435 seats, it started to skew towards the states with the greater populations with each national census.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 13, 2016 09:37 AM (i4AI5)

60 If you throw out California Trump would be ahead by another 55 electoral votes and about 2 million popular votes.

But for Cali, Hillary got her ass stomped.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 13, 2016 09:37 AM (P/kVC)

61 56 46 There is a good chance she will not be around in 2020.

I don't think she will see 2018. Hate can only animate a corpse for so long.
Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, twice as smug as you at November 13, 2016 09:31 AM (0F67M)

She'll have to wear special armor and have wind-up clockwork like Col. Kroenen in Hellboy.
Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 13, 2016 09:35 AM (0mRoj)

I'm thinking Davros myself.

Posted by: josephistan at November 13, 2016 09:38 AM (7qAYi)

62 *beep*

Posted by: Hillary2020 at November 13, 2016 09:39 AM (0F67M)

63 If there was a serious illness, it would have been in the podesta emails. At least hinted at.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 13, 2016 09:39 AM (dnWSK)

64 Left wing whackjobs ate still talking about ways to stop Trump from taking office.(not to mention the ones calling for murder)

Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2016 09:39 AM (r/0kC)

65 61. With that blue marble thing in the middle of the forehead, eyes closed, only one hand functioning?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at November 13, 2016 09:40 AM (6C8ZP)

66 Asked what he thinks of Donald Trump, Pope Francis said that he refrains from passing judgment on politicians but wants to understand the suffering that their approach causes the poor and excluded.

Hey Popie, you got extra rooms there at the Vatican and shit load of money...put your wallet where your mouth is you commie cock sucker...with all due respect

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2016 09:40 AM (dELE3)

67 55 Here's a horrifying fb post that's being shared around. It's little more than a declaration of war - murderdeathkill war - on all Trump states.
http://tinyurl.com/zj4s6e2
Posted by: josephistan at November 13, 2016 09:35 AM (7qAYi)

Let me guess -- he can't stand the hate and intolerance of Trump voters.

Posted by: Emmie at November 13, 2016 09:40 AM (xVuS6)

68 We don't have a natonal election, we have fifty statewide ones.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 13, 2016 09:40 AM (QlyN5)

69 I'm thinking Davros myself.

All find and dandy until someone forgets to plug her motorized pram in.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 13, 2016 09:40 AM (i4AI5)

70 Great news this morning Horde! My youngest is getting baptized today!! What a great week: Hillary Clinton is defeated and my son is born into the kingdom of the Most High. My cup overflows. God bless you all!!

Posted by: Jmel at November 13, 2016 09:41 AM (LcZ6L)

71 Just lurking.

I successfully avoid reality for near eight weeks, and I would like to return to oblivion.

(Sounds like a title for a story, Return to Oblivion.)

Anything escapist where the heroes are heroic would do.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at November 13, 2016 09:41 AM (L7X74)

72 Josephistan... Holy shit...How can anyone have that much hate in their heart? That asshole is truly deranged and needs to be locked up for several years. I hope he gets an epic beatdown.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 13, 2016 09:42 AM (CNHr1)

73 I actually read Douglas' Mindhunter and part of Obsession in college. I usually like books that try to explain why people do what they do. There are a few good chapters in the books (most notably his "Everyone has a rock" theory. However, in the second book, I quickly got disturbed by the more lurid descriptions of various serial killers victims deaths and less analysis of the killers themselves. This seems to be a theme in the genre- which is why I kind of gave up on it fairly quickly.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 13, 2016 09:42 AM (xQJTG)

74 Or maybe just Hilary's head will run in 2020 - like the MST3K classic "The Thing (Head) That Wouldn't Die"

Posted by: josephistan at November 13, 2016 09:42 AM (7qAYi)

75 The guy's a pussy. That post will be the extend of his retaliation on the unenlightened.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 13, 2016 09:43 AM (0F67M)

76 Trolled a colleague tonight, talking about how although last week was upsetting, it was time to stop mourning and move on with life. 'Their families did; we owe it to them to do the same.' Blank look. 'The Edmund Fitzgerald sank 40 yrs ago - isn't that what everybody's upset about? 'Cause otherwise, it was a great week.'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at November 13, 2016 09:43 AM (6C8ZP)

77 Thanks for another Pookette picture. Can't have too much cute in our lives. (And I love the 'guard' cat.)

Posted by: JTB at November 13, 2016 09:43 AM (V+03K)

78 Actually the Gerrymandering of the Electoral College has occurred.

When
the House of Representatives voted to limit the size of their chamber
to 435 seats, it started to skew towards the states with the greater
populations with each national census.

Posted by: at November 13, 2016 09:37 AM (i4AI5)

The reverse is true: Every state gets a minimum on 1 rep. If only fifty reps then Wyoming would have three EVs, as would CA. As the number of Reps increase you would approach direct popular vote (one Rep per voter).

It is 'skewed' towards the states with lower populations. By design it always has been.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 13, 2016 09:44 AM (P/kVC)

79 70 Great news this morning Horde! My youngest is getting baptized today!! What a great week: Hillary Clinton is defeated and my son is born into the kingdom of the Most High. My cup overflows. God bless you all!!
Posted by: Jmel at November 13, 2016 09:41 AM (LcZ6L)

Congratulations! That is good news!

Posted by: josephistan at November 13, 2016 09:44 AM (7qAYi)

80 55 Here's a horrifying fb post that's being shared around. It's little more than a declaration of war - murderdeathkill war - on all Trump states.
http://tinyurl.com/zj4s6e2
Posted by: josephistan at November 13, 2016 09:35 AM (7qAYi)

Bring it motherfucker. I'll nail your man-bun scalp to my front door.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 13, 2016 09:46 AM (0mRoj)

81 Single white male, mid-20's to 40's, alienated, a loner.

Posted by: FBI profile of every criminal ever at November 13, 2016 09:47 AM (nFdGS)

82 81 Single white male, mid-20's to 40's, alienated, a loner.
Posted by: FBI profile of every criminal ever at November 13, 2016 09:47 AM (nFdGS)

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 13, 2016 09:47 AM (0mRoj)

83 Hillary's advantage in the national popular vote is just about identical to her advantage in the California popular vote. Or, her advantage in the national popular vote is about equal to her popular vote advantages in Illinois and New York together. (but not all three.)

So, if the issue is the irrelevant popular vote, it's equally fair to point out that Hillary's popular vote win comes from one or two the three most dysfunctional states in the nation. Throw out both Hillary's and Trump's highest popular vote margin and Hillary goes down in flames in BOTH the Electoral College and the popular vote.

Posted by: Jean Valtrump Les Deplorables at November 13, 2016 09:48 AM (kQJUi)

84 HILLARY CLINTON WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT are the best words to roll off a keyboard in quite some time.

Posted by: Hank at November 13, 2016 09:48 AM (+DiGS)

85 'I don't like Dewey.

********

Inside the Journolist Bubble- a limerick

At Newsweek the idiots are bloomin'
The stupidity is simply unhuman
But they stuck to tradition
With their Hillary edition
A modern day "Dewey defeats Truman"!

Posted by: Muldoon at November 13, 2016 09:48 AM (wPiJc)

86 Hillary Clinton Will Never Be President

First she loses to a man with no accomplishments, and eight years later to a guy who took up politics as a hobby a year ago. She might have had a chance against a random hiker.

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2016 09:48 AM (eeTCA)

87 86 Hillary Clinton Will Never Be President

First she loses to a man with no accomplishments, and eight years later to a guy who took up politics as a hobby a year ago. She might have had a chance against a random hiker.
Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2016 09:48 AM (eeTCA)

Only because the random hiker was on her payroll.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 13, 2016 09:49 AM (0mRoj)

88 Helpless women, fake refugees,
He grabs their pussies and ignores their pleas.

Turning states red from the west to the east,
He destroys the career of the Hildebeest.

Oh, no! Machado's a fat 'ho! Go, go, Trumpzilla!
Oh, no! Another yuuuge casino! Go, go, Trumpzilla!

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 13, 2016 09:49 AM (OkKDg)

89 55 Here's a horrifying fb post that's being shared around. It's little more than a declaration of war - murderdeathkill war - on all Trump states.
http://tinyurl.com/zj4s6e2
Posted by: josephistan at November 13, 2016 09:35 AM (7qAYi)

It's good when enemies self-identify. Makes it easier to pull the trigger on them.

They keep that up and Trump will win 49 states in 2020.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at November 13, 2016 09:51 AM (sdi6R)

90

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at November 13, 2016 09:51 AM (sdi6R)

91 Now is a good time to read Amity Shales "The Forgotten Man", if you haven't already!

Repeal the 17th Amendment

Posted by: batterup at November 13, 2016 09:51 AM (mtGE/)

92 OK, The Barrel it is.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at November 13, 2016 09:51 AM (sdi6R)

93 "Madam President" indeed. That's a promotion from what she was, the Whore Secretary of State. What did the Qataris buy for their million dollars, by the way?

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 13, 2016 09:51 AM (J9qpF)

94 The Italicans are coming! The Italicans are coming!

Posted by: josephistan at November 13, 2016 09:52 AM (7qAYi)

95 Oh oh oh!

I did figure out a blog post - check it out!

I think it will make you smile

link in nic

Posted by: @Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 13, 2016 09:52 AM (Om16U)

96 "decadent urban area v. starving provinces" scenario is exactly what the EC was designed to prevent.
Posted by: Sisqui at November 13, 2016 09:29 AM (k5g8v)

thanks for this, pop culture references sometimes work so much better with younger commie-doctrinated people. Now I have to immerse myself in the hunger games because my knowledge of it is limited.

Posted by: kallisto at November 13, 2016 09:52 AM (jkmtt)

97 92 OK, The Barrel it is.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at November 13, 2016 09:51 AM (sdi6R)

Hell, you're not a true Moron if you haven't spent time in The Barrel.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at November 13, 2016 09:53 AM (J8/9G)

98 "irresistable"

there's a lot of cut here, kids, kittens, puppies, etc.

there's a science of cuteness. developed by konrad lorenz, it's called "baby schema" and says we have a deep, ingrained affinity for the features of babies that brings out nurturing and protective instincts. these features (large eyes, high brows, small noses, etc.) are found throughout mammalia. you'll find those features in medieval portraits of women (they shaved their brows and raised their hairlines!)

but you knew that.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 13, 2016 09:53 AM (WTSFk)

99 Psaki, psad,
Psobbing psenselessly
Psounds pso psweet.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at November 13, 2016 09:54 AM (6C8ZP)

100 OK, in #89, how did I not put the quote in italics, but rather italicised my own comment? I don't think I've ever seen that before.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at November 13, 2016 09:54 AM (sdi6R)

101
Great news this morning Horde! My youngest is getting baptized today!!
What a great week: Hillary Clinton is defeated and my son is born into
the kingdom of the Most High. My cup overflows. God bless you all!! Posted by: Jmel at November 13, 2016 09:41 AM (LcZ6L)
=====

Congratulations!

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 13, 2016 09:54 AM (MIKMs)

102 there's a lot of cute here (splchk)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 13, 2016 09:54 AM (WTSFk)

103 My youngest is getting baptized today!!

Just don't do what I did!

Posted by: Constantine V 'Kopronymos' at November 13, 2016 09:55 AM (J9qpF)

104 Douglas' frustration about dealing with elements of PC during the Atlanta serial killer section is also interesting. "There are no black serial killers", which sounds exactly like what you read when you look at the Soviet serial killer "Serial killers are a decadent, western phenomena."

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 13, 2016 09:56 AM (xQJTG)

105 99. Psaturday psilliness..... but I loves me a gloating haiku.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at November 13, 2016 09:56 AM (6C8ZP)

106 Oh no, tsunami in New Zealand.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 13, 2016 09:56 AM (J9qpF)

107 Posted by: rickl the deplorable at November 13, 2016 09:35 AM (sdi6R)

lol @ Amelia Earhart discovered in Trump's hair

Posted by: kallisto at November 13, 2016 09:57 AM (jkmtt)

108 All the "experts" were saying the DC sniper was certainly white.

Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2016 09:57 AM (r/0kC)

109 I think all states count absentee ballots, but don't count provisional ballots if they don't make a difference.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 13, 2016 09:58 AM (BS8yt)

110 60 If you throw out California Trump would be ahead by another 55 electoral votes and about 2 million popular votes.

But for Cali, Hillary got her ass stomped.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 13, 2016 09:37

I was looking at this morning. Hill is up around 570k votes Total. She won CA by 2.9mill (of which 1mill were prolly illegals.) So, throw out CA's Trump wins popular vote by over 2.3mill.

But, in interest of being fair, I looked at it as if scoring gymnastics and throw out Trumps best and worst scores. So toss out CA loss (2.9mill) and AL win (600k), he stills wins popular vote.

Posted by: olddog in mo at November 13, 2016 09:58 AM (Dhht7)

111 Oh no, tsunami in New Zealand.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 13, 2016 09:56 AM (J9qpF)

Yeah they had an earthquake down there...not much MSM new coverage on it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2016 09:58 AM (dELE3)

112 Kellyanne Conway tells The Post she feels blessed over White House gig

https://tinyurl.com/hzzmr8d

Last thread posting to myself

Posted by: Evilpens at November 13, 2016 09:59 AM (y3aQB)

113 104 Douglas' frustration about dealing with elements of PC during the Atlanta serial killer section is also interesting. "There are no black serial killers", which sounds exactly like what you read when you look at the Soviet serial killer "Serial killers are a decadent, western phenomena."
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 13, 2016 09:56 AM (xQJTG)

Hitler said the same thing (oh, the irony) while Germany in the 30s was home to several prolific serial killers, before the phrase was even coined.

And Jesse Jackson insisted that the Atlanta Child Murders were the work of Trump & the KKK.
(OK, I made up the Trump part).

Posted by: josephistan at November 13, 2016 09:59 AM (7qAYi)

114 *grumbles*

Ol Monkey Face needs to sanction Public Security Section 9 to wipe out a terror cell.

For the live action movie, they have decided to totally rewrite Motoko's back story while stealing scenes from both the first movie and season one of Stand Alone Complex plus the lesbian love scene from the first manga series.

https://youtu.be/G4VmJcZR0Yg

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 13, 2016 10:00 AM (i4AI5)

115 Off to snooze a bit. Sunday late lunch with my angel and her family.

Heh... I'll have to endure the pho queue....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at November 13, 2016 10:00 AM (6C8ZP)

116 Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2016 09:57 AM (r/0kC)

Exactly. In all these cases, the PC/racial attitudes delayed the capture and cost people their lives.

Sorry, cannot quote fully right now. On my phone.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 13, 2016 10:00 AM (xQJTG)

117 Anybody else have trouble with cats on bookshelves? I know people who put valuables up on bookshelves and cats are always knocking stuff down, but I am talking about regular cats who just like high places. One of mine was a high lurker and 'treed' my 6'4" cousin in the bathroom because he was afraid to get out with the cat at eye level and yelled for me to get the cat away so he could get out.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 13, 2016 10:00 AM (MIKMs)

118 ...but dishonesty has taken over by the jerry Mandering

********

How Come I've Never Seen A Picture Of This Dude?! - a limerick

The lefties are starting to pander
(Though the sauce is for both goose and gander)
Trump's win is precarious
All because the nefarious
Sly tricks of that cad, Jerry Mander!

Posted by: Muldoon at November 13, 2016 10:00 AM (wPiJc)

119 70, Jmel, Congratulations! May the Lord bless and keep your family. And this is for you: http://bit.ly/2fJGW6s

Posted by: Tonestaple at November 13, 2016 10:00 AM (uAU0q)

120 It was once a trope that the best sort of candidate would be a man who doesn't want the job, doesn't need it, and hasn't got that lust for power.

We pretty much got that, at last.

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at November 13, 2016 10:02 AM (U0lQa)

121 So far my Nano is a gigantic fail but I am too effing happy to care!!!!

Posted by: @Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 13, 2016 10:02 AM (Om16U)

122 Gaming the EC is the key to how Trump won the Presidency. Non College White is the largest cohort but had been abandoned the Ds and ignored by the Romney Republicans, and are overweight in the states that get more EC weight.

My call was Trump with 300 to 310 EVs. He'll have 306 when he finally gets credit for MI.

My prediction was based in part on the EC favoring Trump, which wasn't the common wisdom. Smaller states mostly in flyover states get more weight. IIRC a Wyoming vote is something like 2.6x a CA vote.

Hillary was seemingly blind to this and campaigned in a way that ran up votes in places that were already Deep Blue and alienated voters elsewhere. e.g., gun control may have cost her PA (a big gun state outside its cities).

Check out this map, which shows counties where Trump increased the Republican vote compared to Romney

http://www.bbc.com/news/

election-us-2016-37889032

He did so strikingly in counties outside our cities.

A year ago I thought he could win by holding the Romney states and adding FL OH and PA. He also nabbed IA WI and MI. QED.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 13, 2016 10:04 AM (bQxkN)

123 My decision to only deal with constructive reading topics last week was a good one. It helped me retain (these things are relative) my sanity waiting for the election results.

In the same vein, and with the weather finally cooling, I've picked up several cookbooks this week.
"The Complete America's Test Kitchen, 2001 - 2017". I always enjoyed the show and this book lives up to that. It also weighs a ton: over a thousand pages of heavy weight paper.

"The Norman Table" is about traditional Normandy recipes. Most of the original settlers to Quebec were Normans, including my ancestors. I was curious how similar the agriculture was between the two areas. Turns out it is a lot. It also includes an excellent if brief history of the area and describes the foods in a way that had my mouth watering. Also, the pen and ink illustrations were worth the cost of the book.

Finally there's "An Unexpected Cookbook", based on the various meals in Tolkien's books: second breakfast, elevenses, etc. The author has a lot of fun as well as interesting recipes reflecting the food available to Hobbits in the Shire. I got this as a lark but the recipes look pretty good.

Posted by: JTB at November 13, 2016 10:04 AM (V+03K)

124 Psaki, psad,
Psobbing psenselessly
Psounds pso sweet.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at November 13, 2016 09:54 AM (6C8ZP)

Her psuper psychiatrist psoundly psnores.

Posted by: H D Woodard - "Wearing the Cat" at November 13, 2016 10:04 AM (9q7Dl)

125 has said he's boycotting all conventions held in Trump states.

He should add Trump counties and Trump precincts, too, just to be sure. And not accept their money.

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2016 10:05 AM (eeTCA)

126 I went to Robert's Books in Lincoln City, Oregon, this week, and bought $30 in paperbacks, including L. Sprague de Camp's The Golden Wind. I have been looking for that one for a while.

De Camp wrote a series of historical "romances" set around the Mediterranean, all during the Greek and Persian period. The one that was considered the greatest success was The Dragon of the Ishtar Gate.

Very much historical sword and adventure stories, very much not found nowadays, the whole "lusty heroes fighting and winning".

De Camp also wrote a series of light history books as well, the main one was Great Cities of the Ancient world, which is exactly that.

Oh, and Roberts Books has a policy in the Sci-Fi section: they sell books by the sealed box. I believe the policy is that if you get a box of books (at about $.75 per) and don't like the books, you are encouraged to buy another box you might like better.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 13, 2016 10:05 AM (OkenW)

127
I said last week Trump would eventually win the pop vote. Wiki still has Trump -600K in pop vote. Trump:60.2M vs Clinton 60.8M

But this guy on Youtube, says Trump won the pop vote by 700K votes, Trump: 62.9M vs Clinton 62.2M.

Obvioiusly Wiki's numbers are wrong in its totals -- it's obvious that millions of votes (for each each candidate) are still not included in Wiki's numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lk8-M5XZR4

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 13, 2016 10:06 AM (IMbi5)

128
A big Domo Arigato! to

Rinzi-

for your nice review of "WTC - The Black Room"

Thanks again!!!

Posted by: H D Woodard - "Wearing the Cat" at November 13, 2016 10:07 AM (9q7Dl)

129 Voter Mom there was plenty of good distractions going on, so no big thing on the low word count.

Well I need to get ready for work. Was not planning to work today but had asked for extra hours so here I am going to work on Sunday.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 13, 2016 10:08 AM (i4AI5)

130
btw, Donald Trump got over 300 EV's. 306.

Even today the Entire State Media is out there saying Trump lost the pop vote -- even though they know all the votes haven't been tallied yet.

This is another reason why Trump won. The State Media Lies.

The election wasn't close. Trump is not unpopular. People are not "scared." Everything the Media is showing you and telling you is a Big Lie.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 13, 2016 10:09 AM (IMbi5)

131 Ruining this book thread IMO, but my cats actually walk around delicate things often and manage to not wreck anything.(a small end table lamp is the sole exception). But Sugar often gets on top of the bookshelf and crys because she can't get down.

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 13, 2016 10:10 AM (GH68B)

132 Check out this map, which shows counties where Trump increased the Republican vote compared to Romney

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37889032

Maps! I love maps. My old county turned blue, however. That was sad to see.

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2016 10:12 AM (7H/2n)

133
Also that fat phony shit Mike Moore is making himself relevant again. Good. Because that asswipe is far more unpopular than Donald Trump. Please make M Moore the fat ugly face of the Progressive Bowel Movement.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 13, 2016 10:14 AM (IMbi5)

134 Kelly Ann Conway on FOX News Sunday is great

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2016 10:14 AM (dELE3)

135 First she loses to a man with no accomplishments,
and eight years later to a guy who took up politics as a hobby a year
ago. She might have had a chance against a random hiker.
Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2016 09:48 AM (eeTCA)

ummm. . .

The hiker probably had bear spray.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 13, 2016 10:15 AM (OkenW)

136 One final bit, it finally hit me what is really bugging me about the back story for Motoko is the live action, they are making her Neo. "Everything you thought you knew is wrong!"

Just die already Hoary Wood.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 13, 2016 10:15 AM (i4AI5)

137 Posted by: Kindltot at November 13, 2016 10:05 AM (OkenW)

Loling at the book-box policy.

I didn't know De Camp had written in more genres than fantasy. I'm only familiar with The Unbeheaded King trilogy. As a primer on how various forms of government *really* work it was very educational to me as a teen.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 13, 2016 10:15 AM (GDulk)

138 I'm always on the look out for more insight into the writings of Tolkien, Lewis and Chesterton. The better to appreciate their words. I came across a referenced to a lecture by Peter Kreeft, "Language Of Beauty" about LOTR. (The lecture is on YouTube and is worth the hour long watch.) It is based on observations he made in the book "The Philosophy of Tolkien". This is the first of Kreeft's books I've read but it won't be the last. Only part way into the book but I agree with his approach. And he has a relaxed, even humorous, style that is very enjoyable but doesn't sacrifice the insights he brings. It reminds me a bit of Lewis' lectures. It also reminds me of CS Lewis' "A preface to Paradise Lost", which is a hell of a compliment.

Posted by: JTB at November 13, 2016 10:17 AM (V+03K)

139 Does the popular vote include absentee and military votes?

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at November 13, 2016 10:17 AM (U0lQa)

140 David Brooks says Trump will resign or be impeached within a year.

Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2016 10:18 AM (r/0kC)

141 Can anyone recommend a good biography of GK Chesterton? I have plenty of material on Tolkien and Lewis but not on Chesterton.

Posted by: JTB at November 13, 2016 10:19 AM (V+03K)

142 As for vote counting and reporting,remember,the media kept up the fiction that Gore won Florida for years.

Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2016 10:19 AM (r/0kC)

143 I heard a rumor this week that Hillary Clinton will never be president. Is this true? can anyone confirm this?

Posted by: deplorablegoatexchange at November 13, 2016 10:20 AM (YFnq5)

144
Does the popular vote include absentee and military votes?

As far as I know, all the ballots eventually get counted but priority to do so drops after a candidate is a clear winner of the state. They count the remaining ballots at their leisure.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 13, 2016 10:20 AM (IMbi5)

145 MOREOVER, lefty states like California have their representation (in Congress and the EC) inflated by filling their population with illegals.

If Trump does what he said he would do on immigration, it should result in a decrease in power after the 2020 census.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 13, 2016 10:20 AM (QlyN5)

146 In the last season of the TV series The Wire, Det. Jimmy McNulty turns natural death homeless into fake homicides to get more resources for his actual homicide cases. It blows up when local media fixates on this new serial killer, leading to the FBI profilers getting involved:

"The suspect is most likely a white male in his late twenties to late thirties, who is not a college graduate, but feels superior to those with advanced education, and is likely employed in a bureaucratic entity, possibly civil or public service. He has a problem with authority and a deep-seated resentment for those that have impeded his progress professionally. ... He may be struggling with lasting relationships and potentially a high functioning alcoholic with alcohol being used as a trigger in the crimes."

When he hears this report, McNulty sheepishly says "they're in the ballpark."

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 13, 2016 10:22 AM (bQxkN)

147
I heard a rumor this week that Hillary Clinton will never be president. Is this true? can anyone confirm this?

Untrue!

Because the Millenial's have a cunning plan!
They are going to "walk into the Supreme Court" and tell them that "one vote equals one vote" and not "one-third" of a vote like they did to Black people not too long ago.

Here, watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOLo7DibduI

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 13, 2016 10:22 AM (IMbi5)

148 I heard a rumor this week that Hillary Clinton will never be president. Is this true? can anyone confirm this?

Tis true. Hilary Clinton will never be president.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 13, 2016 10:23 AM (FqgrG)

149 Mindhunter? Hmmm. Try http://tinyurl.com/m-i-n-d-h-u-n-t-e-r. See which parts of a killer's brain light up during a PET scan or an FMRI. If he is "wired" wrong, then drown him. If not, then burn him.

Posted by: Marooned at November 13, 2016 10:23 AM (XhyuK)

150 If JJ is around, I have a question...

I've been rereading the election threads for fun (and boy are they FUN).

What DID your wife look like when she returned from the Javits Center?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 13, 2016 10:24 AM (wfDW1)

151 Funny you should mention The Wire.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/249117/

Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2016 10:24 AM (r/0kC)

152 40 ... The Ashley Book of Knots is wonderful, Palpatine. I've checked it out from the library several times. I have little talent for creative knot tying but the book is mesmerizing.

Posted by: JTB at November 13, 2016 10:25 AM (V+03K)

153

If you guys think that all this talk of the nixing the EC is for the next election, you're mistaken.

The Left wants THIS ELECTION overturned.

Lawsuits are gonna be filed.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 13, 2016 10:25 AM (IMbi5)

154 CNN reporting Hilary up by 16% in OH. Looks like a long night for Trump.

Posted by: Will Bynn at November 13, 2016 10:25 AM (7qAYi)

155 I don't know that those are included. Popular vote is by State and those are stateless.

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at November 13, 2016 10:26 AM (U0lQa)

156 How did I not think to look for videos of Peter Kreeft. I have a recording of a lecture he did on why everyone should be a Roman Catholic and it's delightful. I know what I'll be doing this afternoon.

Posted by: Tonestaple at November 13, 2016 10:26 AM (uAU0q)

157 153 Yeah and I WANT to bang Kate Upton.The left and I will be disappointed.

Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2016 10:26 AM (r/0kC)

158 The Wire was a great series. Depressing as all hell, but very well done. Also, I noticed a couple of the actors from The Wire were in The Walking Dead - the guys who play Bob and Father Gabriel.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 13, 2016 10:26 AM (0mRoj)

159 Hey, Pens, keep the links coming. A lot of stuff I don't see everywhere!
Didn't know Kellyanne Conway was a Cruz supporter. Maybe she had something to do with getting Cruz onboard (I think his help was key in winning Wisky).

Posted by: Jackal at November 13, 2016 10:26 AM (NiR1r)

160

I thought all those ballots come from states. As far as I know, there no federal ballots.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 13, 2016 10:28 AM (IMbi5)

161 "As for the third, 'I don't like Dewey. I don't like the way he treats
bellhops and porters and waiters - the little people who wait on him.
That's a good indication of the kind of damned snooty guy you've got on
your hands.'"

- Allen Drury, A Senate Journal

That's actually a really good way to evaluate someone's character.

And doesn't that just sum up the past week?

Posted by: Infidel at November 13, 2016 10:29 AM (So9FI)

162 If any of the rioters could form or comprehend a thought that exceeds 140 characters, I'd recommend the following book:

The Foresaken: An American Tragedy in Stalin's Russia

How 1930s vintage Americans bought the Stalinist paradise propaganda and moved to Russia, only to be tragically disappointed.

https://www.amazon.com/Forsaken-American-Tragedy-Stalins-Russia/dp/0143115421/ref=cm_rdp_product

Posted by: kallisto at November 13, 2016 10:30 AM (jkmtt)

163 Since we don't have a movie/TV thread, I'll have to say this here. Why isn't "The Alfred Hitchcock Hour" available on region 1 DVD or to stream?

Posted by: josephistan at November 13, 2016 10:30 AM (7qAYi)

164 Oh no, tsunami in New Zealand.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 13, 2016 09:56 AM (J9qpF)

Yeah they had an earthquake down there...not much MSM new coverage on it
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2016 09:58 AM (dELE3)

It looks like there have been a series of them over the last few hours. Click on the "last 30 days" tab.

http://ds.iris.edu/seismon/

Posted by: all doubt removed at November 13, 2016 10:31 AM (WsWiu)

165 Finished up an indie book on my Nook not long ago. Not great, dumb ending, but it was cheap. Can't complain too much.

Finished my 'El Borak' collection from Robert E Howard last night. Took a break from it after finishing the stories specifically featuring El Borak. The very last story felt like a derivitive knock-off (because it was actually a prototype written before most of the others) so it almost ended on a downer. But the last section was a commentary on the collection, so that made finishing the book feel more satisfying.

Next up, either Robert E Howard's 'Sword Woman' collection (Holding the inspiration for Red Sonja, I understand) or the NobleBright collection on my nook.

Posted by: Castle Guy at November 13, 2016 10:32 AM (7aeqx)

166 103 My youngest is getting baptized today!!

Just don't do what I did!
Posted by: Constantine V 'Kopronymos' at November 13, 2016 09:55 AM (J9qpF)

THAT'S FUNNY BECAUSE CONSTANTINE V'S ENEMIES CALLED HIM 'KOPRONYMOS' (DUNG-NAMED) BECAUSE THEY SPREAD THE RUMOUR THAT AS AN INFANT HE HAD DEFECATED IN HIS BAPTISMAL FONT, OR ON THE IMPERIAL PURPLE CLOTH WITH WHICH HE WAS SWADDLED.

Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at November 13, 2016 10:32 AM (FVabE)

167 The two creators of The Wire had a leftist agenda but it got lost in the realism of the series. I saw the big message as "our institutions are irredeemable but individuals can find salvation," none more so than the junkie Bubbles and the drug dealer spawn Namond.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 13, 2016 10:33 AM (bQxkN)

168 The Wire has to be one of those shows that you had to see when it was on. By recommendation from almost everyone I started watching it and couldn't get through one episode. It just came across as hopelessly dated.

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at November 13, 2016 10:33 AM (U0lQa)

169 163 Try Youtube.

Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2016 10:34 AM (r/0kC)

170 Posted by: all doubt removed at November 13, 2016 10:31 AM (WsWiu)

Ring of Fire woke up.

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at November 13, 2016 10:35 AM (U0lQa)

171 You know , between OM's great piece of writing on this post, reading ace's Golden Rule sidebar item ( which still deservers it's own post) and re-reading zombie's comment, I have come to a conclusion.

Reagan through brilliant speech, love of country and a deep connection with the people, warned us of the left and their monstrous lies.

Trump through hard work, determination, love of country and a deep connection with the people, tore back the curtain and scattered 50 years of leftist rats and cockroaches which had been feeding on America just as Reagan had warned that they would.

You can discuss conservatism, measure it's presence, absence, meaning, methods and applications but in the end, the First Job of conservatism is to defeat Leftism. Without that, the rest is idealistic word games.

Donald Trump Saved America.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at November 13, 2016 10:35 AM (zu88C)

172 They want death threats ? Really? Who do they think owns the guns?

Posted by: Exliberal at November 13, 2016 10:36 AM (kjizk)

173 To me the most amazing thing about "The Wire" is that different people could watch it and come away with a totally different message. I would have said it was about how one party rule has utterly corrupted and polluted that city (and most of our big cities) and hurt the ones they purport to help the most, for generations, with no way out, it just gets worse. Warehousing the poor for their votes. There was a whole generation of people-in their 30s-50s gone from those streets, kids basically feral, horrible schools, a compromised media, no one ever held accountable.

Posted by: Goldilocks at November 13, 2016 10:37 AM (pOgVG)

174 "the alfred hitchcock hour" is broadcast nightly on the ME channel at 1:00 a.m.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 13, 2016 10:38 AM (WTSFk)

175 Donald Trump Saved America.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at November 13, 2016 10:35 AM (zu88C)

If only the hysterical FB females stressed about rape culture, the adult children defriending their parents, the hostile minority women who want to kick dat white azz could see...those of us who voted Trump saved their country for them.

To the above mentioned I say:

You're welcome.

Posted by: kallisto at November 13, 2016 10:38 AM (jkmtt)

176 I have to share: The best day ever! I am at home with my wife and baby girl. Sitting in a comfy recliner. 5 month old baby asleep on my lap. Coffee in hand. Not Merrick Garland replacing Scalia on the Supreme Court. Best day ever!

Posted by: DanInMN at November 13, 2016 10:40 AM (15ZVX)

177 Dr. Emanuel just said on FBN that "no one ever said premiums were going to go down."

Uh...dude...."I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my
first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost
of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year."

Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 13, 2016 10:42 AM (Enq6K)

178 Yeah, well, my dog tells me to get my ass out of bed and fill the food bowl.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 13, 2016 10:42 AM (Nwg0u)

179 Not Merrick Garland replacing Scalia on the Supreme Court

Don't count your chickens. Trump is not known for being predictable or conservative.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 13, 2016 10:42 AM (dnWSK)

180 179
Not Merrick Garland replacing Scalia on the Supreme Court

Don't count your chickens. Trump is not known for being predictable or conservative.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 13, 2016 10:42 AM (dnWSK)

He has already provided a lit of people who he will choose from for SCOTUS before the election.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 10:44 AM (mpXpK)

181 174 "the alfred hitchcock hour" is broadcast nightly on the ME channel at 1:00 a.m.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 13, 2016 10:38 AM (WTSFk)

Cool, thanks!

Posted by: josephistan at November 13, 2016 10:44 AM (7qAYi)

182 Cat Ass Trophy: I know, but I'm trying to not fuck up my chi here.

Posted by: DanInMN at November 13, 2016 10:45 AM (15ZVX)

183 There's no better showing of what MSM is about than the White House Correspondents Dinner and how it changed from the Bush years into the Obama years.

As part of that progressive evolution, there was the moment where Obama made fun of Trump in the crowd, including jokingly citing his firing of Gary Busey on Celebrity Apprentice as an example of his leadership qualities. "Well handled, sir. Well handled."

Seth Myers joined in: "Donald Trump has been saying he'll run for president as a Republican, which is surprising as I just assumed he was running as a joke."

Who's laughing now.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 13, 2016 10:45 AM (bQxkN)

184 Hey Kallisto, did you ever get a refund for that canceled Milo event? I'm still waiting & they said it would be 48 hours.

Posted by: josephistan at November 13, 2016 10:45 AM (7qAYi)

185 The Wire has to be one of those shows that you had to see when it was on. By recommendation from almost everyone I started watching it and couldn't get through one episode. It just came across as hopelessly dated.
Posted by: Bigbys other phone at November 13, 2016 10:33 AM (U0lQa)

I tried to watch The Wire, did not get through 2 episodes. I could not handle the continuous cussing. I'm no stranger to bad language, but sheesh, it was almost as bad as Deadwood.

Probably wouldn't have bothered me as much when I was younger. As I get older, I find myself getting more squeamish about things like that.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 13, 2016 10:47 AM (FVabE)

186 If he picks from that list, we are good. I hope he picks from the younger side of that list. A 45 year old Trump appointment will make some heads explode for years.

Posted by: DanInMN at November 13, 2016 10:47 AM (15ZVX)

187 183 There's no better showing of what MSM is about than the White House Correspondents Dinner and how it changed from the Bush years into the Obama years.

As part of that progressive evolution, there was the moment where Obama made fun of Trump in the crowd, including jokingly citing his firing of Gary Busey on Celebrity Apprentice as an example of his leadership qualities. "Well handled, sir. Well handled."

Seth Myers joined in: "Donald Trump has been saying he'll run for president as a Republican, which is surprising as I just assumed he was running as a joke."

Who's laughing now.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 13, 2016 10:45 AM (bQxkN)

I hope Trump just turns his back on the WHCD. Let them have their "Nerd Prom," he doesn't have to participate.

Posted by: josephistan at November 13, 2016 10:47 AM (7qAYi)

188 Where are folks seeing the up to the minute popular vote totals?

I seem to recall those were around 55 million each the last I saw and now they're around 62 million, I guess.

Posted by: Methos at November 13, 2016 10:47 AM (3Liv/)

189 "He has already provided a lit of people who he will choose from for SCOTUS before the election."

He has to stick to that. If the Obama years taught anything, it must include that promises != reality.

Posted by: Apostate at November 13, 2016 10:48 AM (2ilh7)

190 You believe the list, Vic? Trump= unpredictable attention whore. We all knew this.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 13, 2016 10:48 AM (dnWSK)

191 OT: The littlest member of the Muldoon household was a little scared to come out in public this morning. I think the news of all the unrest in the streets and the perceived ramifications of the Trump victory were starting to hit home and he just seemed sort of deflated. So, I gave him some encouraging words, chucked him under the chin, gave him a couple quick hugs. I suggested that he should keep a stiff upper lip. He was still dejected so I gently slapped him back and forth a few times and then playfully put him in a friendly chokehold, just to get the message across. Finally I reminded him how much fun we had on election night and all day Wednesday and Thursday and he began to perk up a little. Soon he was eager to go and began to hold his head up high. He even agreed to take a selfie with me and wanted to go for a walk in the park...

...what's that? My son?...

Oh, no, we don't have any kids at home. I was talking about my schadenboner!

Posted by: Muldoon at November 13, 2016 10:48 AM (wPiJc)

192 I'll get concerned when there's actually something to be concerned about thanks.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 13, 2016 10:49 AM (FqgrG)

193 There's no better showing of what MSM is about than the White House Correspondents Dinner and how it changed from the Bush years into the Obama years...
Who's laughing now.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 13, 2016 10:45 AM (bQxkN)

I think that 2011 Correspondents' Dinner awoke a sleeping giant, and filled him with a dread resolve.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 13, 2016 10:50 AM (FVabE)

194
Who's laughing now.

YouTube is full of videos of this phenomenon.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 13, 2016 10:50 AM (QlyN5)

195 Huh. Apparently the Marcos family is trying to stage a comeback in the Philippines.
#SMH

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 13, 2016 10:51 AM (Om16U)

196 190
You believe the list, Vic? Trump= unpredictable attention whore. We all knew this.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 13, 2016 10:48 AM (dnWSK)

I see

Cat Ass Trophy = Nevertrumper

You lost in the primaries, get over it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 10:51 AM (mpXpK)

197 Huh. Apparently the Marcos family is trying to stage a comeback in the Philippines.
#SMH

Jeb! Marcos threw his hat in the ring?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 13, 2016 10:52 AM (QlyN5)

198 I'm filing a lawsuit. I only voted for Trump to get rid of the arschlochs that promised to leave if he got elected.

The reneged on a verbal contract.
Where's Gloria Allred??

Posted by: Bruce at November 13, 2016 10:52 AM (8ikIW)

199 197 Huh. Apparently the Marcos family is trying to stage a comeback in the Philippines.
#SMH

Jeb! Marcos threw his hat in the ring?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 13, 2016 10:52 AM (QlyN5)

A shoe would be more apropos.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 13, 2016 10:52 AM (0mRoj)

200 195: They've been trying for years. Without much success, I think.

Posted by: Jackal at November 13, 2016 10:53 AM (NiR1r)

201 "The suspect is most likely a white male in his late twenties to late thirties, who is not a college graduate, but feels superior to those with advanced education, and is likely employed in a bureaucratic entity, possibly civil or public service. He has a problem with authority and a deep-seated resentment for those that have impeded his progress professionally. ... "
---

Whew! Close but "no cigar".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 13, 2016 10:53 AM (EnKk6)

202 If he picks from that list, we are good. I hope he
picks from the younger side of that list. A 45 year old Trump
appointment will make some heads explode for years.
Posted by: DanInMN at November 13, 2016 10:47 AM (15ZVX)

Wailing, and screeching and fainting in coils . . .

(which is a misquotation, but I have come to realize that Lewis Caroll has almost as much an influence on my language as Shakespeare.

'When we were little,' the Mock Turtle went on at last, more calmly, though still sobbing a little
now and then, 'we went to school in the sea. The master was an old Turtle - we used to call him
Tortoise - '

'Why did you call him Tortoise, if he wasn't one?' Alice asked.

'We called him Tortoise because he taught us,' said the Mock Turtle angrily: 'really you are very
dull!'

Posted by: Kindltot at November 13, 2016 10:53 AM (OkenW)

203 Of course he will stick to the list of SCOTUS choices. There is no upside to him going outside the list, and he doesn't want to piss off the people he is going to need to address the things he really wants.

You are making the case that he isn't an idealoge, therefor he will act like one. That makes no sense.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 13, 2016 10:54 AM (wfDW1)

204 I haven't made up my mind about the "by reason of insanity" thing, and I don't think anyone SHOULD make up their mind about it.

I know the law doesn't base when it is applied, based on diagnosis, but on actions, so you can't just say "he's not really crazy, so this doesn't apply," or its inverse, "he's crazy so of COURSE the insanity plea applies."

I think it's possible someone can plan a murder, and it's still an act of insanity. People experiencing severe depression can become so disconnected from reality, they will believe all sorts of things that are not true, and it follows a logical progression in their minds, up to and including murder, at times. And once the depressive episode ends or is effectively treated, that person can explain quite clearly how messed up their thinking was at the time.

Could such a situation be effectively used as an insanity plea? I guess so. Maybe. Again though, we're really not talking about the planning/executing a coherent plan thing. We're talking about their ability to see right from wrong at the time of the act.

So I wouldn't want it eliminated, but maybe very tightly controlled? Which I think it pretty much is.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 13, 2016 10:54 AM (Pz4pT)

205 When I told her that it was not possible to Gerrymander the Electoral College, she called me an idiot.

Posted by: V the K at November 13, 2016 09:34 AM (jn7FC)
Yes, gerrymandering the Electoral College and Senate districts...hahhahhaha! These people continually prove that educated and intelligent are not mutually complementary terms.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, USMC Retired at November 13, 2016 10:54 AM (uWAzI)

206 You can discuss conservatism, measure it's presence, absence, meaning, methods and applications but in the end, the First Job of conservatism is to defeat Leftism. Without that, the rest is idealistic word games.

Donald Trump Saved America.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her!

Conservatism in modern America is whatever people do to define it. It is why Bill Kristol and George Will and others are in such a tizzy about Donald Trump.

There is a broader intellectual argument to be made here, but having read a couple of George Will's books, I would just say he is not exactly the paragon of small government conservative that you might think. or such a champion of personal liberty.

These people are mad because they were afraid that Donald's actual real world successes, if he was elected, would make their paltry intellectual speculative conservatism seem quaint and obsolete.

It is not a virtue to be obstinate and resist reading and understanding what other people think, but it is not a vice to actually want a real tangible amount of success in the world. And that vice is the real problem with people like Bill Kristol and George Will. Their ideas of conservatism make them the enemy of what is actually possible in the real world.

I read George Will's book "Statecraft as Soulcraft" years ago, and it struck men then that he was not the conservative that I thought he was. He wanted government to shape people's character for "the good", or his definition of the good.

This is really no different than the left, but with different ideas of "the good" in mind.

Government is like fire, a dangerous servant and a fearful master - George Washington

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at November 13, 2016 10:55 AM (RFeQD)

207 The only reason Hillary was ahead in the popular vote is because the dead and the fictional are too poorly educated to vote for anyone other than a Democrat. True fact.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 13, 2016 10:55 AM (8mIih)

208 Trump through hard work, determination, love of country and a deep connection with the people, tore back the curtain and scattered 50 years of leftist rats and cockroaches which had been feeding on America...

Donald Trump Saved America.

Posted by: Mortimer, Finish Her! at November 13, 2016 10:35 AM (zu88C)

Heartily agree with the first sentence. Don't know about the second. I would like to believe it, but it remains to be seen.

Trump's task is daunting. Not only is he going to have to fight the Democrat/academia/infotainment media complex 24/7, he's also going to have to fight the saboteurs, quislings, pussies, and sell-outs in the GOP.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 13, 2016 10:56 AM (FVabE)

209 Posted by: BeckoningChasm

Ha. I'm posting this on my wifes FB page. About 10 heads will explode

Posted by: Bruce at November 13, 2016 10:57 AM (8ikIW)

210 Posted by: josephistan at November 13, 2016 10:45 AM (7qAYi)

Hi j-stan,

I haven't yet checked my account. However, I did just receive another email from eventbrite telling me the event was cancelled.

The first email said we were supposed to be refunded within 48 hours. If I don't get the money back I suppose I will have to kick dat 1210am azz.

Posted by: kallisto at November 13, 2016 10:59 AM (jkmtt)

211 @Vic: That's not an argument. That's name calling, then using that name calling as an excuse to ignore what was said. You may as well have yelled, "Racist! We don't listen to racists here," and plugged your ears. Same thing the SJWs do.

Politicians make insincere campaign promises all the time. Constantly. Even the most honest stretch the realm of the possible.

But not Trump? He always tells the truth and all his promises are gold plated? Even when he was stupidly and recklessly lying about opponents in the primaries? And how do you explain the positions he changed during the campaign?

He just said like two days ago that he might not want to repeal Obamacare.

Posted by: Apostate at November 13, 2016 10:59 AM (2ilh7)

212 Listening to Meet The Press--yeah I know--The black guy on is lying his black ass off

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2016 11:00 AM (dELE3)

213 In red Indiana Indianapolis/Marion county is blue and had their own mostly peaceful riot.

http://tinyurl.com/j2q97sx

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 13, 2016 11:00 AM (IqV8l)

214
It would be great if the [Electoral College] worked like it was supposed to. But dishonesty has taken over by the jerry Mandering(sic)

And Jerry Manders as THE BEAVER!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 13, 2016 11:00 AM (QlyN5)

215 5 Vic

Sorry, late to the party.

Re: absentee ballots

I could find no credible source for this (state or fed) assertion that they're not counted. Everything I could find said that, indeed, *all*!are.

Now, I don't really believe this, but I looked pretty hard for a cite to the contrary. If you have one, would be very appreciative if you would share it.

Posted by: ibguy at November 13, 2016 11:00 AM (vUcdz)

216 "Everything you thought you knew is wrong!"

Posted by: Anna Puma

******

The goal of progressivism is to sever society from anything that might be holding it back. This includes any ties to the past or tradition. What they fail to see is that severing those ties will result in an anchorless balloon, subject not to progress, but only to the whims of the changing winds.

Change for the sake of change alone is not a good thing.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 13, 2016 11:01 AM (wPiJc)

217 The left wing assholes on Meet The Press is calling Breitbart "Alt Right"...they just don't get it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2016 11:02 AM (dELE3)

218 Trump's task is daunting. Not only is he going to have to fight the Democrat/academia/infotainment media complex 24/7, he's also going to have to fight the saboteurs, quislings, pussies, and sell-outs in the GOP.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004

Reality works. Most politicians are realists, because periodically, they have to get re-elected to their phoney-baloney jobs.
Regardless of that the childlike pundits think, politicians who call themselves Republicans, will follow Donald if he leads them to success.

Regardless of what a lot of politicians said in this political season, most elected Republicans will follow Trump's agenda if it looks like it will work.
In Ohio, few of the Federal elected officials campaigned with Trump (Portman, etc.), but a lot of the leaders of the Ohio House and Senate did. They understood something fundamental that the others didn't.

And then there's Kasich, who is an ass.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at November 13, 2016 11:02 AM (RFeQD)

219 I finished "The Girl On The Train" and gave it three stars on amazon. The pacing was horribly slow, and all of the characters were annoying. I'm sure I was supposed to feel buckets of sympathy for the protagonist and her sad slide into alcoholism but mostly I found her annoying. The author got an extra star for fooling me a very good long while about whodunnit.

-
Although basically a chick book, and I won't see tbe movie because it is almost certainly a big budget Lifetime movie, I liked it better than you did, say four stars. In addition to keeping the surprises coming, the use of different narrators in a non-chronological format kept me interested and I appreciated that there was no deus ex machina ending that makes everything OK. Yeah, none of the characters are likeable. All are self absorbed with their own pain and recklessly wound others.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 13, 2016 11:03 AM (Nwg0u)

220 Jerry Mander has a younger sister, Sally.

She's pretty cold-hearted.

She also used to work for Newt Gingrich.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 13, 2016 11:04 AM (wPiJc)

221 CLOTH WITH WHICH HE WAS SWADDLED.
Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at November 13, 2016 10:32 AM (FVabE)

I'm throwing a flag. This will cost you 15 yards and loss of sock, for excessive use of proper grammar.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 13, 2016 11:05 AM (Pz4pT)

222 Cat Ass Trophy: Recall, won't you, that the architect of the liner Titanic held to his belief the ship was indestructible-- even until his death in the disaster.

Grow up. Yours was the minority opinion in the primary, and further in the general election.

Consider realigning, as you'll never convince the majority by trolling them.

Posted by: socalcon at November 13, 2016 11:05 AM (UXScn)

223 Jeff Goldberg is funkin ass an JINO.

Fuck him.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2016 11:05 AM (dELE3)

224 He just said like two days ago that he might not want to repeal Obamacare.
Posted by: Apostate

He said (in the 60 Minutes interview showing tonight) that he would keep everybody covered or insured. Which was part of the Obamacare "promise". Which really didn't work anyways. Because the whole premise of Obamacare or the ACA was a lie.
But he also said most of the ACA would disappear. It will take a few years to unravel all the damage that was done.

People will be patient if they see progress to do that.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at November 13, 2016 11:05 AM (RFeQD)

225 I tried to explain to a local reporter why we have the EC, because of the CT compromise.

I might as well have been speaking Chinese. The dumb fucker had no idea about ANY US History, except, you know, racism and MLK great.

Sad shit

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2016 11:05 AM (NbJXF)

226
Heartily agree with the first sentence. Don't know about the second. I would like to believe it, but it remains to be seen

+++

OK he saved the WORLD.

No war with Russia, no WW3

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at November 13, 2016 11:06 AM (U0lQa)

227 And the black guy on MTP is pushing Keith Ellison.

Great! Best idea ever

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2016 11:06 AM (dELE3)

228 221 CLOTH WITH WHICH HE WAS SWADDLED.
Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at November 13, 2016 10:32 AM (FVabE)

I'm throwing a flag. This will cost you 15 yards and loss of sock, for excessive use of proper grammar.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 13, 2016 11:05 AM (Pz4pT)

ITS FUNNY BECAUSE I'M AN IDIOT.

Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at November 13, 2016 11:06 AM (QlyN5)

229 215 I could find no credible source for this (state or
fed) assertion that they're not counted. Everything I could find said
that, indeed, *all*!are.

Now, I don't really believe this, but I looked pretty hard for a
cite to the contrary. If you have one, would be very appreciative if you
would share it.

Posted by: ibguy at November 13, 2016 11:00 AM (vUcdz)

Each State does them differently. What I was able to find was that eventually ALL are counted but that is most often months after the election is over. So in the end we will not know what the true popular vote count is for a long time.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 11:06 AM (mpXpK)

230 https://goo.gl/5geSXh

"Remember your great grand children? They're going to have to pay for this."

Dahle wasn't buying it. "They're not even going to be alive if we don't get this global warming done and get rid of the damn coal. They aren't going to be alive, if they can't breathe!"

The stupid, it burns like a refinery flare sometimes...

Posted by: JEM at November 13, 2016 11:06 AM (TppKb)

231 He just said like two days ago that he might not want to repeal Obamacare.
Posted by: Apostate

That is NOT what he said.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2016 11:06 AM (dELE3)

232 he's also going to have to fight the saboteurs, quislings, pussies, and sell-outs in the GOP

++++

Fire all the Neocons and half of this is accomplished

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at November 13, 2016 11:07 AM (U0lQa)

233 're: Apostate

You raise a good point (although possibly disingenuous my.) We do need to make sure that we keep our eyes on the prize and not get swept up in triumphalism. These guys always have feet of clay, that is part of being human.

By the same token, cut the dude some slack. He just accomplished something that conservatives have been taking whacks at for 30 years- struck a decisive blow against the Clintons. We are a whopping 5 days after the election and the guy will not be sworn in for another two months.

Let's be wary, yes, but also see how things play out.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 13, 2016 11:08 AM (iSh8b)

234 Keith Ellison -- the first Muslim elected to the House -- is talking on Meet the Press. He's emerged as the Progressive favorite to head the DNC. He's an idiot.

If Trump has a good first term, and the Ds go full full ProgTard....

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 13, 2016 11:08 AM (bQxkN)

235 >>Trump's task is daunting. Not only is he going to have to fight the Democrat/academia/infotainment media complex 24/7, he's also going to have to fight the saboteurs, quislings, pussies, and sell-outs in the GOP.

I think people focus too much on Trump at their peril. What happened on Tuesday was less about Trump and more a seismic shift in the center of power in America.

Trump didn't start this movement, he stoked it and rode it. Nobody trusts or listens to the media any longer, they have proven to be corrupt. The left is outing themselves as the narcissistic children they are.

The great unwashed have risen up and said enough with the elites and ruling class telling us how things are going to be. We're back in charge of this ship. Any Republican who doesn't get onboard is going to get run over.

I think Trump's ego is our best protection. He wants to succeed. He lives for it, it's all he cares about. And winning means delivering on what he promised.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2016 11:08 AM (/tuJf)

236 >>>229 Each State does them differently. What I was able to find was that eventually ALL are counted but that is most often months after the election is over. So in the end we will not know what the true popular vote count is for a long time.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 11:06 AM (mpXpK)<<<

So you're saying that there *is* a chance...

YEAH!!

Posted by: Ballot Printers and Forgers, Local 42 at November 13, 2016 11:09 AM (jV8Mq)

237 Fire all the Neocons and half of this is accomplished
Posted by: Bigbys other phone at November 13, 2016 11:07 AM (U0lQa)

Crap...stop with the Neocons thing. First of all it is not true or accurate and it all it does is divide us. NOW is not that time for that.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2016 11:09 AM (dELE3)

238 Posted by: Apostate at November 13, 2016 10:59 AM (2ilh7)

I was replying in kind.

As for Obamacare what he said originally was that he wanted to get rid of parts of it and keep certain parts of it. He never said at any time he wanted to totally get rid of it and have nothing.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 11:09 AM (mpXpK)

239 CLOTH WITH WHICH HE WAS SWADDLED.
Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at November 13, 2016 10:32 AM (FVabE)

I'm throwing a flag. This will cost you 15 yards and loss of sock, for excessive use of proper grammar.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 13, 2016 11:05 AM (Pz4pT)

ITS FUNNY BECAUSE I'M AN IDIOT.
Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at November 13, 2016 11:06 AM (QlyN5)

See, FVabE? That's how you do it.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 13, 2016 11:09 AM (Pz4pT)

240 I think Trump's ego is our best protection. He wants to succeed. He lives for it, it's all he cares about. And winning means delivering on what he promised.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2016 11:08 AM (/tuJf)

Yup

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2016 11:09 AM (dELE3)

241 Found 1876/1877 editions of Thackery's Vanity Fair and Barry Lyndon for a nice price at a local vintage shop, so I think Barry Lyndon will be my next read. I love "Rake's Progress"-type novels.

I'm currently reading the YA alien invasion/zombie novel "The Rains" by Greg Hurwitz, for balance.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 13, 2016 11:10 AM (EnKk6)

242 Fire all the Neocons and half of this is accomplished
Posted by: Bigbys other phone at November 13, 2016 11:07 AM (U0lQa)

I believe that's the reason Krispie Kreme had to GTFO. He recommended too many neo-cons and quislings. I like what the fat boy did in NJ insofar as keeping unions in check, but that Hurricane Sandy display with 0bama was cringible.

Posted by: kallisto at November 13, 2016 11:10 AM (jkmtt)

243 We watched True Memoirs of an International Assassin last night on Netflix.
Action comedy where Kevin James (who was Paul.Bleary in Mall Cop) is a writer orphanages to get his first book, a fictional espionage memoir, published, but the publisher sticks it in non-fiction to sell more.
Hijinks ensue.
Cute movie.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 13, 2016 11:10 AM (Om16U)

244 Although my Roethlisberger spells his name wrong, and uses the non-word "cuz" instead of "because."

Posted by: BurtTC at November 13, 2016 11:10 AM (Pz4pT)

245 My MIL is here today too and has a bad case of the sads over Hillary. I'm trying my best to be gracious in victory. She is a nice woman and a great grammy for my little girl. But holy shit is it difficult to not gloat!

Posted by: DanInMN at November 13, 2016 11:10 AM (15ZVX)

246 Keith Ellison -- the first Muslim elected to the House -- is talking on Meet the Press. He's emerged as the Progressive favorite to head the DNC. He's an idiot.

If Trump has a good first term, and the Ds go full full ProgTard....
Posted by: Ignoramus

Never stop your enemy if they are making a mistake.

By all means, embrace Keith Ellison, Democrats. They really can't help themselves. Ask Labor in the UK how making Jeremy Corbyn leader of the party is working out?

I have a "friend" (one of my bosses) who is British and a "pround" voter for Labor. He is so smart, he's stupid.
In the UK, virtue signaling is an incredible art form.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at November 13, 2016 11:11 AM (RFeQD)

247 Bleary = Blart

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 13, 2016 11:11 AM (Om16U)

248 By all means, embrace Keith Ellison, Democrats. They really can't help themselves. Ask Labor in the UK how making Jeremy Corbyn leader of the party is working out?

Exactly

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2016 11:11 AM (dELE3)

249 55 Here's a horrifying fb post that's being shared around. It's little more than a declaration of war - murderdeathkill war - on all Trump states.
http://tinyurl.com/zj4s6e2
Posted by: josephistan at November 13, 2016 09:35 AM (7qAYi)

Wow! That scum just turned 10,000 people into conservative voters. I imagine he's been banned by FB. Just kidding, FB never bans lefties.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 13, 2016 11:12 AM (s7hQ/)

250 OK he saved the WORLD.

No war with Russia, no WW3
Posted by: Bigbys other phone at November 13, 2016 11:06 AM (U0lQa)

Trump, a-ah, saviour of the universe
Trump, a-ah, he'll save everyone of us
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Trump, a-ah, he's a miracle
Trump, a-ah, king of the impossible

He's for everyone of us
Stand for everyone of us
He'll grab with a mighty hand
The pussy of every woman
Make America great again!
Trump, a-ah

Posted by: josephistan at November 13, 2016 11:12 AM (7qAYi)

251 Without the Electoral College, it would be the case that the populous states would plunder states like Wyoming, where there isn't much population but there are great resources.

It does more than give less populous states a say; it gives them protection!

Posted by: RKae at November 13, 2016 11:13 AM (1jMyA)

252 He just said like two days ago that he might not want to repeal Obamacare.
Posted by: Apostate at November 13, 2016 10:59 AM (2ilh7)

Interesting.... you are arguing that Trump will not do what he says...

While misquoting what he DID say...

How... interesting...

Posted by: Don Q. at November 13, 2016 11:13 AM (qf6WZ)

253 I do find solace in the media's dire predictions about Trump, since they haven't been right yet.

As for replacing the electoral college with a nationwide popular vote, such a scheme would, in short order, degenerate into a European-type model, into a "national society" that lacks a permanent constitution and basically lurches from one election to the next. No high law, no high rights, with everything up for grabs by a fat-ass monopolistic superstate. Their dream, our nightmare.

Posted by: OurFederalism at November 13, 2016 11:13 AM (48KEb)

254
Dahle wasn't buying it. "They're not even going to be alive if we don't get this global warming done and get rid of the damn ~~coal~~ electricity. They aren't going to be alive, if they can't breathe!"

FIFY

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 13, 2016 11:13 AM (IqV8l)

255 Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at November 13, 2016 11:06 AM (QlyN5)

****

Thanks for laying some Bensplaining on us.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 13, 2016 11:14 AM (wPiJc)

256 No NGU their foreign policy is what got us into this mess. I won't retreat on that.

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at November 13, 2016 11:14 AM (U0lQa)

257 It does more than give less populous states a say; it gives them protection!
Posted by: RKae

It's like a political condom!

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at November 13, 2016 11:14 AM (RFeQD)

258 I tried to read Main Street by Sinclair Lewis this week.
I failed. I just couldn't get into it--perhaps because I've spent most of my life in small towns and have loved them.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 13, 2016 11:14 AM (s7hQ/)

259 I wonder how John Kerry heard about the election results in Antarctica. Imagine how his face must have fallen - and with a face like his that would have been like a landslide!

Too bad he didn't decide to just stay there in Antarctica until it melts!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 13, 2016 11:15 AM (LeUrG)

260 More on the Netflix movie - I thought writers would appreciate the writer humor at the start, and trigger warning, movie might offend CIA employees.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 13, 2016 11:15 AM (Om16U)

261 LOL @ a "morning after"....

*my* schadenbonner is still going strong!

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 13, 2016 11:15 AM (serBz)

262 >>As for replacing the electoral college with a nationwide popular vote, such a scheme would, in short order, degenerate into a European-type model, into a "national society" that lacks a permanent constitution and basically lurches from one election to the next. No high law, no high rights, with everything up for grabs by a fat-ass monopolistic superstate. Their dream, our nightmare.

Think Hunger Games.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2016 11:15 AM (/tuJf)

263 No NGU their foreign policy is what got us into this mess. I won't retreat on that.
Posted by: Bigbys other phone at November 13, 2016 11:14 AM (U0lQa)

What mess?

What is a NEOCON? How do you define it? It's an ignorant term.

Who is a Neocon?

Want to make an argument, Fine, spell it out. Don't throw around inaccurate all encompassing terms that are only being used to insult.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2016 11:15 AM (dELE3)

264 Anyone else notice that global warming seems to get mixed up with the "clean air" craps of the 80's.

Getting hard to keep track.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 13, 2016 11:15 AM (iSh8b)

265 "Mr. Trump even indicated that he would like to keep two of the most popular benefits of the Affordable Care Act, one that forces insurers to cover people with pre-existing health conditions and another that allows parents to cover children under their plan into their mid-20s."

Forced coverage was the central point of the law. It was what distorts the market and drives up prices. It's what let's someone skate along without coverage, then walk into an office and demand care for their issues, and get it; effectively gutting the definition of "insurance."

If that policy stays in effect but the rest of the law doesn't, health insurance fails as an industry. They will all have to cover everyone's preexistig conditions, all the time, and do so without mandatory participation or government funding. I.e. go bankrupt.

So if the goal is to destroy the health insurance industry, sounds great. But it is by not repealing the whole law.

Posted by: Apostate at November 13, 2016 11:15 AM (2ilh7)

266 Gotta go
later

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2016 11:16 AM (dELE3)

267 251 Without the Electoral College, it would be the case that the populous states would plunder states like Wyoming, where there isn't much population but there are great resources.

It does more than give less populous states a say; it gives them protection!
Posted by: RKae at November 13, 2016 11:13 AM (1jMyA)

The Closest we could easily come to using the Popular vote WITH the Electoral College...

Is to do away with the State votes as a block stuff.

Make each Congressional district elect its own Elector, with the 2 Electoral Votes for the State go to whoever wins the State...

Make it a true National Election... not just a fight for a few battleground States.

And NOW is the time to put that idea forward... while the LEFT is angry...

Posted by: Don Q. at November 13, 2016 11:16 AM (qf6WZ)

268 He just said like two days ago that he might not want to repeal Obamacare.

Posted by: Apostate at November 13, 2016 10:59 AM (2ilh7)

I would have done it! We could have had it all!

Posted by: Jeb! at November 13, 2016 11:16 AM (cmE8J)

269 (personally i think this talk of infrastructure is nonsense. the time to do it was in the 90's. but it is in trump's wheelhouse, so its appeal to him makes sense. the wollman's rink he looks to rebuild has a multi trillion dollar price tag, however.)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 13, 2016 11:16 AM (WTSFk)

270 The Electoral College ensures diversity of thought.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 13, 2016 11:16 AM (Om16U)

271 Shouldn't evidence that killers clearly used coherent thought and reasoning ability to commit their crimes pretty much invalidate any kind of insanity defense? Isn't coherent thought and action pretty much the definition of sanity?

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The recent "Killing Reagan" film got me thinking about John Hinckly. I've seen two movies about this and read 2 or 3 books on the subject, one by Hinckly's dad.

He had the capacity to obtain a weapon, track Reagan, formulate a plan to kill him, and damn near carry it out.

Yet there is little doubt in my mind he was very mentally disturbed/insane. After all, killing a President seems like a great life plan to impress and win the affection of Jodie Foster while she was at Yale.

Richard Speck, Charles Whitman, Ted Bundy, etc. None of these guys should have been out on the streets. Yet all were able to carry out vicious killings of many people that took varying levels of "planning".

Guilty but insane? Perhaps a mitigating factor if it is not a violent crime? But I have some problems with the concept that a Ted Bundy or this recent serial killer from South Carolina might ever see daylight again, and frankly struggle with the idea that we should pay to provide three hots and a cot for decades to monsters.

Posted by: RM at November 13, 2016 11:16 AM (U3LtS)

272 I think people focus too much on Trump at their peril. What happened on Tuesday was less about Trump and more a seismic shift in the center of power in America.

Yes. The lead-up to November 8 was the systematic depletion of donk legislative seats all over the U.S.

But Hillarhoid and the DNC did not pay attention to this erosion in their legislative power because they knew they had Legacy Media and especially DOJ and FBI in control. They were counting on the dumbing down of the electorate and their typical vote fraud operation in the big cities to win the day, as it has the past two presidential elections.

They weren't counting on the new players:

citizen journalists
wikileaks
their traditional base abandoning them

It's a new paradigm and the DNC is playing catch-up.

Posted by: kallisto at November 13, 2016 11:17 AM (jkmtt)

273 Some of you folks think Trump can make Obamacare go away overnight. Wake up on a Sat morning and poof it is repealed and gone. After 8 years of this cancer gouging out our healthcare system that can not be done. It would be the same as getting rid of SS overnight.

Disentangling Obamacare will be a long and complicated process. And Trump will have to fight like a junkyard dog at every step of the way through it. The vested interests will fight to the death to keep it. And we will not be any help sniping at him.

He should get his chance to show asshole colors before we start treating him like one.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 11:18 AM (mpXpK)

274 Just to clarify, wasn't neocon a term for someone who was a progressive in their youth , but came to conservatism as an older person?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 13, 2016 11:18 AM (iSh8b)

275 So if the goal is to destroy the health insurance industry, sounds great. But it is by not repealing the whole law.
Posted by: Apostate at November 13, 2016 11:15 AM (2ilh7)

Nope... you do what some States had before O'care... a high Risk Pool...

Yes, they pay MORE for entering that pool... but are at least covered...

They get coverage, but then do NOT totally distort the regular insurance pool...

Posted by: Don Q. at November 13, 2016 11:18 AM (qf6WZ)

276 185 ... "As I get older, I find myself getting more squeamish about things like that."

OM, Constant bad language doesn't make me squeamish. (My own ability certainly hasn't diminished.) I just find it tiresome. And as I spend more time reading the exquisite and expressive prose of CS Lewis, who is no prude, and others like him, the easier it is to tire of it.

Posted by: JTB at November 13, 2016 11:19 AM (V+03K)

277 It does more than give less populous states a say; it gives them protection!
Posted by: RKae

It's like a political condom!
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron

-----

Actually, more like a political "assault" rifle.

Which explains why lefties are afraid of it and want it banned.

Posted by: RKae at November 13, 2016 11:19 AM (1jMyA)

278 My niece, at 2 1/2, coined the word "puz". She could say, in good English, "Puz means because" but it also conveyed the idea that you did not have to justify the cause. Perhaps that works now for why the EC is what matters, not the popular vote. Can you imagine a nation wide recount and all the litigation?

Posted by: lurking grandma at November 13, 2016 11:20 AM (Y/Tk0)

279 Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 13, 2016 11:18 AM (iSh8b)

That's how I interpret the term.

According to your definition, I'm a neocon. I used to be a flaming liberal until my mid 30s.

Posted by: kallisto at November 13, 2016 11:20 AM (jkmtt)

280 I read FBI psychological profiling unit director John Douglas's book "Mind Hunters" when it came out. It was disturbing, yet fascinating. In this book, he maintained that if a child was murdered before the age of 2, the child's Mother did it. Since I read his book and learned of this, that profile has always been true.
I referred to it years later when I did a paper in my abnormal psychology class on nature vs. nurture; the "Ice Man" Richard Leonard KuklinskI.
I get it that he may come across as a bit arrogant; but he created the FBI psychological profiling unit (at least that is what he indicates in his book). To have to go into the world of such evil monsters that do horrific crimes against some of the most vulnerable among us like children...I'll let it slide.

Posted by: TallBlondeDude at November 13, 2016 11:21 AM (ld/f6)

281 "Let's be wary, yes, but also see how things play out."

My opinion precisely. Trump's stock rose significantly in my eyes when he finally shut his mouth, started trying to act like a statesman, and kept it up. It showed a willingness to recognize his own shortcomings and do something about it. If he'd have hired Ms. Conway and done that back in May, this election would have been a blowout.

But that doesn't make him conservative. It doesn't eliminate his multidecade support for abortion. People are all atwitter that he'll nominate originalists and other conservatives to the SC, spelling the end of Casey. I think that's wishcasting. The man supports abortion. To think he's going to make radical appointments as part of a crusade to overturn old law he agrees with just because there is an R by his name is silly.

People are getting carried away.

Posted by: Apostate at November 13, 2016 11:21 AM (2ilh7)

282 Tiffany' s cancelled its Christmas window display because of the protests next door at Trump Towers.

They are gonna have to clear those rioters out if they want a Macy's Thanksgiving Parade.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 13, 2016 11:22 AM (Om16U)

283 The Electoral College prevents hegemony.

(It helps to use their own buzzwords.)

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 13, 2016 11:22 AM (QlyN5)

284 I do not worry for a minute about us getting rid of the the electoral process. To do so would take an Amendment and ratification by 33 States. 33 State legislatures would have to give up their power as part of that process. That is NOT going to happen.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 11:22 AM (mpXpK)

285
Just to clarify, wasn't neocon a term for someone who was a progressive in their youth , but came to conservatism as an older person?
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Exactly. I once heard Bill Bennett call himself a neocon for that very reason.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 13, 2016 11:23 AM (IqV8l)

286 Yeah, this is mostly battlespace prep, not a prelude to violent insurrection.

Of course, 2016. Anything could happen.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 13, 2016 11:24 AM (iSh8b)

287 >>I do not worry for a minute about us getting rid of the the electoral process. To do so would take an Amendment and ratification by 33 States. 33 State legislatures would have to give up their power as part of that process. That is NOT going to happen.

Particularly now that Republicans control 33 state houses.

Not happening.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2016 11:24 AM (/tuJf)

288 The ORIGINAL definition of a NEOCON was a Liberal Democrat who was promilitary and pro-defense. IOW a Scoop Jackson Democrat.

But over the years everyone has come up with their own version and there is no common definition anymore.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 11:26 AM (mpXpK)

289 Tiffany' s cancelled its Christmas window display because of the protests next door at Trump Towers.

PERFECT

Now in deep blue Manhattan, let the limo libs taste a little bit of bottom line damage that their fellow travelers are causing.

Unintended consequences, Manhattanites: Own it.

Posted by: kallisto at November 13, 2016 11:26 AM (jkmtt)

290 Just to clarify, wasn't neocon a term for someone who was a progressive in their youth , but came to conservatism as an older person?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 13, 2016 11:18 AM (iSh8b)

At its most basic, yes. It's also used as shorthand by some, for Jewish-Republican. So it's meant as an epithet, in that regard. Carried to its further ends, being a Jewish Republican means you strongly support Israel, and then, if you support Israel, you are for the recent adventures in the Middle East.

Thus, you are a warmongering, capitalist pig-dog who only cares about Israel, and is willing to sacrifice American yoots to preserve that tiny little country.

And you are still fighting the long-thawed (in that line of thought) Cold War.

Frankly, since most of the original "Neocons" are either dead or long since gone from the national stage, the term is almost ONLY useful as an epithet, coming from the left, or from the weird stupid nazis... who are also, from the left, just a slightly different left. Even though many of them have no political philosophy beyond talking about who they hate.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 13, 2016 11:26 AM (Pz4pT)

291 What is a NEOCON? How do you define it? It's an ignorant term.

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Not at all. They named themselves such. It's an identified philosophical outlook, primarily based on the aggressive expansion of the ideals of the American Revolution to other lands. As for who, one could start with the Project for a New American Century and it's members.

This is basic stuff.

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at November 13, 2016 11:26 AM (srOkZ)

292 199
197 Huh. Apparently the Marcos family is trying to stage a comeback in the Philippines.

#SMH

Jeb! Marcos threw his hat in the ring?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 13, 2016 10:52 AM (QlyN5)

A shoe would be more apropos.

Posted by: Insomniac - 1 in 94,609,000 at November 13, 2016 10:52 AM (0mRoj)

Ferdinand Junior and Imelda are still highly popular in Northern Luzon.
Without a doubt Ferdinand Marcos was a bad man, but the accusations that he had Ninoy Aquino killed I think are exaggerated. The Communist Party of the Philippines and its National Peoples' Army likely killed Aquino because he was losing to Marcos in the electoral process. It was probably the CPP's infamous SPARU (Special Partisan Unit) that killed him, disguising a couple members in military uniforms or finding sympathetic soldiers to assassinate him. Making Aquino a martyr did not benefit Marcos and made his defeat to the disastrous Cory Aquino (the widow) all but inevitable.
Since this is a book thread, there is a book I read "To Suffer Thy Comrades" by Bobby Garcia which details the purges of the CPP/NPA in the 80's. Much of the "extrajudicial" killings were likely committed by themselves and blamed on Marcos as the CPP cleaned the "Philippine government moles" in horrific fashion. Torture, execution and assassination, the CPP was no less violent to its own than Marcos is accused to have been.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, USMC Retired at November 13, 2016 11:27 AM (uWAzI)

293 229 Vic

Thanks for the reponse

That tracks with what I found, as well.

Posted by: ibguy at November 13, 2016 11:29 AM (vUcdz)

294 "They get coverage, but then do NOT totally distort the regular insurance pool... "

So everyone has to be covered, but there are multiple tiers. Boiling down to you WILL get coverage if you want it, no matter what, but have to pay a lot more.

That makes sense, but how is that better than just paying out of pocket in the first place? Or is it just a bow to the reality of the politics involved, so you can say no one is "losing" their coverage?

Also, I haven't heard of this detail before. Do you know whose idea it was?

Posted by: Apostate at November 13, 2016 11:29 AM (2ilh7)

295 I think I'm a paleo-con or something.
I don't really care about labels.
I know I like freedom, I like individual rights.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 13, 2016 11:29 AM (Om16U)

296 Not hearing so much about Russia influencing our election, anymore. Are we?

Now, it's all James Comey's fault.

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2016 11:29 AM (PeNEi)

297 Well now that we have ruined this week's book thread I will get back to my book. And yes, I include myself in helping that ruin.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 11:29 AM (mpXpK)

298 I do not worry for a minute about us getting rid of
the the electoral process. To do so would take an Amendment and
ratification by 33 States. 33 State legislatures would have to give up
their power as part of that process. That is NOT going to happen.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 11:22 AM (mpXpK)

14th Amendment bitches! Ha! Take that!

Posted by: Anthony Kennedy at November 13, 2016 11:29 AM (cmE8J)

299 I'm a HermitCon. Jut leave me the f*ck alone.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 13, 2016 11:30 AM (EnKk6)

300 trump should announce he won't be using his trump tower residence during his presidency. tenants, both business and private are hurt by the demonstrators in the tower and vicinity.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 13, 2016 11:30 AM (WTSFk)

301 One of the interesting things to look at with the EC is that it has clearly been the urban areas attempting to force their will on to the rural and suburban areas for time.

By giving the rural and suburban areas more power, per capita, then the cities, this is a check on the cities.

The urban left isn't happy of course because the EC is thwarting their will to force the rest of the country to live like they want.

This is one of the fundamental problems with pure democracy though. Just because you've convinced 50.1% of a group of people to call a tail a leg or a man a woman because he wears a dress does not give you the power to force that idiocy on anyone. There is *no* legitimate political power that does.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 13, 2016 11:30 AM (aZq03)

302 Everybody is still reading entrails, Vic

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at November 13, 2016 11:31 AM (srOkZ)

303 300 trump should announce he won't be using his trump tower residence during his presidency. tenants, both business and private are hurt by the demonstrators in the tower and vicinity.

Nope. Never give in to bullies.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 13, 2016 11:31 AM (Om16U)

304 But over the years everyone has come up with their own version and there is no common definition anymore.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party

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Like every word or phrase now, it means what ignorant children on the internet think it means.

And good luck straightening out the mess.

I was being a "grammar Nazi" by attempting to correct an idiot who kept using "could of" in stead of "could have," and I was informed that "either one is acceptable."

I guess if you can invent your own gender...

Posted by: RKae at November 13, 2016 11:31 AM (1jMyA)

305 "wasn't neocon a term for someone who was a progressive in their youth , but came to conservatism as an older person?"

It was a school of political thought in international relations that justified American interventionism on the grounds that using force and power to expand liberal institutions (in the classical definition, like WTO, etc.) and democracy was in the national interest.

It has since become a shorthand insult, used as a label to signal who it's ok for leftists to consider nonhuman. Like "alt-right," now.

Posted by: Apostate at November 13, 2016 11:32 AM (2ilh7)

306 >>Not at all. They named themselves such. It's an identified philosophical outlook, primarily based on the aggressive expansion of the ideals of the American Revolution to other lands. As for who, one could start with the Project for a New American Century and it's members.

Given the Robert Kagan, one of the co-founders of the Project for a New American Century, was one of the loudest and most outspoken Hillary Clinton foreign policy "experts" during the campaign and a scathing critic of Trump, I'm not to worried about him having any power in the Trump administration.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2016 11:32 AM (/tuJf)

307 Oh I learned today that it is perfectly valid to believe that Trump is going to start a war with Russia AND that he is Vlad Putin's puppet at the same time, however just because Hillary Clinton said she wants to shoot down Russian planes is no reason to believe that she would have started a war with Russia.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 13, 2016 11:32 AM (aZq03)

308 TRUMP RUINED THE BOOK THREAD!!
I TOLD YOU SO!

Posted by: Hillary Lifelong Conservative Reader Clinton at November 13, 2016 11:33 AM (Om16U)

309 Pro tip: Winning 47.9% of the composite votes of the various states is not a majority of the imaginary "popular vote".

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters at November 13, 2016 11:34 AM (3myMJ)

310 Definitely need to get back to good books.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 13, 2016 11:34 AM (Om16U)

311 Votermom a article at Townhall said President Trump wants to use the WH for weekdays and the NY condo on weekends, but don't see that happening.

Posted by: Skip-hoping Trump at least does random conservative acts at November 13, 2016 11:34 AM (GH68B)

312 Oh and Robert Kagan's wife is Victoria Nuland, John Kerry's assistant at State and one of the people responsible for the Iran deal and a very likely SoS in a Hillary administration, so yeah, I'm thinking his team isn't going to get a lot of consideration by Trump.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2016 11:35 AM (/tuJf)

313 Cute
https://twitter.com/tru768/status/797494305497681921

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 13, 2016 11:35 AM (Om16U)

314 I'll talk about Books when Patrick Rothfuss and Brandon Sanderson get their shit together and get me some Book 3s!

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2016 11:35 AM (PeNEi)

315 nood

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 11:36 AM (mpXpK)

316 The reneged on a verbal contract.
Where's Gloria Allred??

She's been packed in Cosmoline and stored. Four years from now, when they need to use her again, they'll unpack her and clean her up.

Posted by: tu3031 at November 13, 2016 11:36 AM (qJhUV)

317 311 Votermom a article at Townhall said President Trump wants to use the WH for weekdays and the NY condo on weekends, but don't see that happening.

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Chopper?

It would be an interesting way to shift some political power from DC to NYC.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at November 13, 2016 11:36 AM (Om16U)

318 Where's Gloria Allred??
***
Someone should ask her if she is going to roll out a crew to sue every Republicans candidate from now on.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 13, 2016 11:38 AM (aZq03)

319 "Here's a horrifying fb post that's being shared around. It's little more than a declaration of war - murderdeathkill war - on all Trump states."

C'mon over. Lead, it's what's for dinner!

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters at November 13, 2016 11:38 AM (3myMJ)

320 In case CDR #whatever from the ONT hasn't already heard this:

In case you haven't noticed Trump has already beaten the 3 biggest threats to National Security practically single-handedly - Obama, Clinton and their GOPEnablers.

Posted by: DaveA at November 13, 2016 11:38 AM (8J/Te)

321 300 trump should announce he won't be using his trump tower residence during his presidency. tenants, both business and private are hurt by the demonstrators in the tower and vicinity.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 13, 2016 11:30 AM (WTSFk)

The idiots will still be camped outside it even if he does.

Posted by: josephistan at November 13, 2016 11:38 AM (7qAYi)

322 Crap...stop with the Neocons thing. First of all it is not true or accurate and it all it does is divide us. NOW is not that time for that.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2016 11:09 AM (dELE3)

How's about you stop calling my Pope a Commie? Deal?

Posted by: F.N.G. at November 13, 2016 11:39 AM (kiSdp)

323 Birthday party

Later all

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at November 13, 2016 11:40 AM (srOkZ)

324 irrespective of demonstrators, it's a real inconvenience when the president comes to town. there's a large entourage involved that ties up traffic, etc. it's not simply a matter of him taking a ride in from la guardia.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 13, 2016 11:40 AM (WTSFk)

325 284 I do not worry for a minute about us getting rid of the the electoral process. To do so would take an Amendment and ratification by 33 States. 33 State legislatures would have to give up their power as part of that process. That is NOT going to happen.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 11:22 AM (mpXpK)

In years past, I would have agreed with you, Vic. But 50 years of America hate and progressive indoctrination have taken their toll on reason, fairness, and constitutionality.

Having Hillary Clinton and John Kerry openly condoning this lunacy is beyond anything I've ever seen. Sedition.

Posted by: Gem at November 13, 2016 11:41 AM (uaHyk)

326 Hey, I thought this was the book thread! Although there will be plenty of books read (or burned) about this election.
Back on topic. That Artillery library is in Segovia, a gorgeous medieval-looking city built on a high hill, northwest of Madrid. If I'm not mistaken, the castle in which it is located is one of the inspirations for Disney's castle. Inside, you feel steeped in history. Lots of Muslim undertones, too, given the history of Spain.

Posted by: RI Red - adorable deplorable member of the T-party at November 13, 2016 11:44 AM (zn0nX)

327 "decadent urban area v. starving provinces" scenario is exactly what the EC was designed to prevent.

Posted by: Sisqui at November 13, 2016 09:29 AM (k5g8v)

thanks for this, pop culture references sometimes work so much
better with younger commie-doctrinated people. Now I have to immerse
myself in the hunger games because my knowledge of it is limited.

Posted by: kallisto at November 13, 2016 09:52 AM (jkmtt)

Except that is exactly how the urban, from filthy rich with obama phone contracts to hood rat on welfare, want it.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 13, 2016 11:44 AM (P/kVC)

328 How's about you stop calling my Pope a Commie? Deal?
Posted by: F.N.G. at November 13, 2016 11:39 AM (kiSdp)

How about if I call my Pope a commie?

We call him Red Frankie in our conservative, practicing, HDO-compliant, Roman Catholic household.

Posted by: Gem at November 13, 2016 11:45 AM (uaHyk)

329 Just got here. Better late than never I guess.

First off, Pookette is a cutie. You could eat her with a spoon. The fact that she's sitting quietly with a book only makes her that much sweeter.

Still going through Jonathan Cahn's "The Book of Mysteries" a few pages at a time. There'a a lot to digest.

Also reading "The Necklace," on the recommendation of a friend and against my better judgment. A California libtard (not into conspicuous consumption) notices a diamond necklace in a jewelry store window and convinces a gaggle of other wymyn to go in on it with her and to share it one month out of the year.

Posted by: SandyCheeks at November 13, 2016 11:46 AM (joFoi)

330
If you throw out California Trump would be ahead by another 55 electoral votes and about 2 million popular votes.

But for Cali, Hillary got her ass stomped.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 13, 2016 09:37 AM (P/kVC)

On election eve, California was added to the Beast's EC total before the polls here even closed. I think it was when New York was called for her, they added California, but not sure. In reality, when her total was showing as 204, it should have been 149.

Posted by: Joanne at November 13, 2016 11:46 AM (o/EW5)

331 326: hey, thanks for the segovia reference!. just looked it up, it's an amazing castle.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 13, 2016 11:46 AM (WTSFk)

332 Asked what he thinks of Donald Trump, Pope Francis
said that he refrains from passing judgment on politicians but wants to
understand the suffering that their approach causes the poor and
excluded.

Hey Popie, you got extra rooms there at the Vatican and shit load of
money...put your wallet where your mouth is you commie cock
sucker...with all due respect

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2016 09:40 AM (dELE3)

As a Catholic ............#NotMyPope!

Posted by: Joanne at November 13, 2016 11:48 AM (o/EW5)

333 Shouldn't Lois Lerner be putting on her knee pads and scamper over to the White House this Monday looking for one of the hundreds of pardons Obama will deal out?

Posted by: ting hung lo at November 13, 2016 11:49 AM (xZc4z)

334 We call him Red Frankie in our conservative, practicing, HDO-compliant, Roman Catholic household.
Posted by: Gem at November 13, 2016 11:45 AM (uaHyk)

I'm just getting ready to head to Mass, and I don't know what HDO-compliant means. But FWIW in the beginning I thought some of Bergoglio's speechifying was, umm...different? But I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and conclude he was relying on the wrong advisors.

After reviewing who he chose to be Cardinals, though, I dunno. I'm not going to go as far as calling him a commie. He's definitely shifting leftward though.

We need to pray.

Posted by: kallisto at November 13, 2016 11:50 AM (jkmtt)

335 Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2016 11:35 AM (/tuJf)

Ooh I did not know that about Nuland/Kagan. Is Kagan related to Elena?

Posted by: F.N.G. at November 13, 2016 11:52 AM (kiSdp)

336 Hillary Clinton Will Never Be President

Actually, I have nothing to say about this. I just like typing it.

I like cutting and pasting it.

Hillary Clinton Will Never Be President

Actually, I have nothing to say about this. I just like typing it.

Posted by: eleven at November 13, 2016 11:52 AM (qUNWi)

337 Holy Days of Obligation, kallisto.

Posted by: Gem at November 13, 2016 11:53 AM (uaHyk)

338 And yes, we need to pray.

We have one priest in the general area that appears to be sane... Cardinal George (bless him!) was his mentor. He's not in our parish, but we drive the extra 20 minutes to his church.

Posted by: Gem at November 13, 2016 11:57 AM (uaHyk)

339 I'm finishing To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis which has been recommended here in the past. I'm quite enjoying it. It is basically a screwball comedy syfy time travel adventure set primarily in Victorian England. The authoress is a Colorado native and graduate of my Cow College alma mater. I mention this to discuss the negative Amazon reviews. Many say that this English writer just doesn't translate into American and uses way too many big words anyway. To quote Steve Martin, "Well, EXCUUUUUUUSE me!" As with screwball comedies, humor is often found in confusion and misunderstandings frequently arising from interaction with eccentrics. The book is written in the first person and much of our hero's confusion and misunderstanding is the reader's, another factor the negative reviewers didn't like. I was quite impressed with the authoress's knowledge of not only Victorian society but also with history generally. One of the aforesaid eccentrics with whom our hero must contend is an Oxford don who is engaged in a bitter push-you-into-the-river rivalry with another don regarding the theory of history and his diatribes extend from Marathon to Waterloo and all battles betwixt the two.

I see this is the second (or second and a half) in the Oxford Time Travel Series. I understand the first (or the first and a half), Doomsday Book, is quite different. Although based upon the same Oxford time travel program, whereas this is a screwball comedy, Doomday is more a straight adventure involving a time traveler stranded in England during the Black Death. I'll probably read it next.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 13, 2016 11:58 AM (Nwg0u)

340 Hey, Anna Puma! Are you still here? As the local Ww2 guru, have you read the "Gunner Asch" books? They are the translation of 08/15 by Hans Hemut Kirst (Night of the Generals). Great point of view of German enlisted soldiers before the war, then Russian Front, then fall of Germany. Sort of the German Catch 22.
I read them as a teen, then in the original German once I was able. Great read in either language.

Posted by: RI Red - adorable deplorable member of the T-party at November 13, 2016 12:01 PM (zn0nX)

341 Reading and listening to Nick Webb's Legacy Fleet trilogy. I'm on book 2, "Warrior". Decent space opera series. Book 1, "Independence".took a couple of chapters to get into but once it got going it was fairly exciting.

Posted by: Tuna at November 13, 2016 12:03 PM (JSovD)

342 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 13, 2016 11:58 AM (Nwg0u)

Doomsday Book is very, very different. It was memorable to me as a young adult, but definitely not the least bit comedic.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 13, 2016 12:05 PM (GDulk)

343 >>Ooh I did not know that about Nuland/Kagan. Is Kagan related to Elena?

I don't think so.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2016 12:05 PM (/tuJf)

344 The fact that the first NFL game of the day in the Northeast is the Jets vs. the Rams?

Guarantees that I'll be reading Hoover Dam: An American Adventure by Joseph E. Stevens between 1 and 4.

And napping. Lots of that.

Posted by: Oschisms at November 13, 2016 12:06 PM (ZsN9X)

345 "At the time of the American Revolution, when the Founders were hashing out the features of the federal goverment they thought would be the best (and by 'best', I mean 'most just' not 'most efficient'), one of the issues that they needed to resolve was the competition between large states vs. small states. The Founders were concerned that the large states would simply overwhelm the small states in every election, so they wanted to balance that out a bit, and give the small states a bit of leverage so that they wouldn't be shut out entirely.

Thus the Electoral College."

It's not just the large *states*, but the concentrated municipalities. Look at the map by congressional district, and you see the "blue" is concentrated in the large cities, even in "blue" states like California, Oregon,a nd Washington. If we were to go to pure popular Presidential vote, these tiny geographical areas would dominate politics at the expense of everywhere else, suburban and rural. The attitude of the President of the last eight years would be the *only* outlook allowed politically.

These people who decry the popular vote/electoral college difference just don't want to understand that this wasn't one election, but *fifty* (plus) elections held at the same time. The states have a sovereign say, and aren't just administrative subdivisions of the Federal government.

Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at November 13, 2016 12:07 PM (tapYd)

346 "Neocon" was also a convenient way for liberals to say "Dirty Jew" since several of the most prominent Neo-conservative thinkers (Kristol, Podhoretz, etc.) were Jewish ex-liberals. And there's nothing members of the Progressive Cult hate more than apostates.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 13, 2016 12:08 PM (LpOFE)

347 339 I'm finishing To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis which has been recommended here in the past. I'm quite enjoying it. It is basically a screwball comedy syfy time travel adventure set primarily in Victorian England. The authoress is a Colorado native and graduate of my Cow College alma mater. I mention this to discuss the negative Amazon reviews. Many say that this English writer just doesn't translate into American and uses way too many big words anyway. To quote Steve Martin, "Well, EXCUUUUUUUSE me!" As with screwball comedies, humor is often found in confusion and misunderstandings frequently arising from interaction with eccentrics. The book is written in the first person and much of our hero's confusion and misunderstanding is the reader's, another factor the negative reviewers didn't like. I was quite impressed with the authoress's knowledge of not only Victorian society but also with history generally. One of the aforesaid eccentrics with whom our hero must contend is an Oxford don who is engaged in a bitter push-you-into-the-river rivalry with another don regarding the theory of history and his diatribes extend from Marathon to Waterloo and all battles betwixt the two.

Is that Connie Willis of Monty Python (John Cleese's ex-wife)?

Posted by: Gem at November 13, 2016 12:09 PM (uaHyk)

348 I loved Connie Willis' "The Bellwether", about chaos theory and statistical prognostications, and trying to predict/steer fads and trends. Will the next "It" color be PoMo Pink or Cherenkov Blue? Everything can be charted and quantified! Of course the human animal proves to be much tougher and squirrelier than that, as their own chaotic personal lives prove.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 13, 2016 12:10 PM (EnKk6)

349 Is that Connie Willis of Monty Python (John Cleese's ex-wife)?

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I doubt it. According to Wiki she married a physics professor at the University of Northern Colorado and continues to live in Greeley.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 13, 2016 12:15 PM (Nwg0u)

350 Read Shakespeare's Cymbaline, a late play where King Cymbaline's queen wants to marry her evil son to her step-daughter, but she has already married for love to a poor man. He flees but is tricked into believing she's been unfaithful and wants her killed. It goes on from there, not that great.

Also read his The Tempest, considered to be the last play he wrote alone. It's a lyrical relatively short piece where the rightful Duke of Milan Prospero, a sorcerer, is overthrown by his brother and now lives on an island with daughter, native servant and fairie servant. Using magic he creates a storm causing the ship of his enemies to break up on its shores. Several plot threads run through it, in the end his daughter marries the King's son, his servants are freed, all are forgiven as he takes back his Dukedom. Great work.

Listened to The Anubis Gates, time-travel story where a young writer in 1983 travels with a group back in time to listen to a talk by the British poet Coleridge. Things go awry and he has a series of magical, violent encounters with bad guys. Had trouble following all the crazy convolutions but it was entertaining.

Posted by: waelse1 at November 13, 2016 12:20 PM (wtX2e)

351 All that needs to be done with Ocare is repeal the mandate (tax) and the subsidies and then offer free-market alternatives. Let the people choose what they prefer.

Even if the government has to support pre-existing coverage, it'll still be exponentially cheaper than what we are up against now. It'll also get the Ocare 800 pound gorilla off the backs of businesses.

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2016 12:22 PM (Fmupd)

352 Soona, you now need to post a book comment on the political thread for cosmic balance.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 13, 2016 12:23 PM (EnKk6)

353 I always thought it should be "guilty by reason of insanity" instead.

Posted by: Memories at November 13, 2016 12:27 PM (mwcEF)

354 Re: the Electoral College - Living as I do in the People's Republic of Chicago (motto: "Vote Early, Vote Often"), I am very much in favor of the Electoral College, because it limits the influence that corrupt local machines (nearly all of them Democratic) can have on a national election. No matter how many votes the bosses of Chicago, or Philadelphia, or San Francisco, or Seattle steal, they'll will at most swipe their state's electoral votes. That's bad enough, but if the election of the president were based purely on the popular vote, the bosses would have every incentive to "juice" the vote for the "D" candidate as much as possible.

Furthermore, if the vote were purely popular, then, in a close election (like this year's), every city and county would potentially be a Florida 2000, as lawyers and operatives combed the country to scrounge up enough votes to put their candidate over the top. And again, the incentive to juice the totals would be irresistible. It would be a horror.

I remember a line in Herman Wouk's "The Caine Mutiny", to the effect that "The Navy is a system designed by genuises for execution by idiots"; and that's certainly the case with our Constitution. The Founders included men like Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Adams, Hamilton, and Madison; while we have Obama, Clinton, and, yes, Trump. I say, our idiots should stick to executing the genuises' system.

Posted by: Brown Line at November 13, 2016 12:36 PM (a5bF3)

355 I've read "Doomsday Book" twice which is not something I usually do. I'm a one and done type of reader. You will enjoy it immensely. As stated above, it is definitely not comedic but rewarding on so many other levels and ultimately uplifting.

Once you finish it pick up John Kelly's " The Great Mortality", a good recounting of the Black Death. Lots of very moving contemporary chronicles of the circumstances and suffering. The English and the Italians were especially good at this. Time marches on but human instincts and feelings remain the same.

Posted by: Tuna at November 13, 2016 12:51 PM (JSovD)

356 Rush was talking about the popular vote this week. He is sure when all is said and done Trump will win it. He pointed out the Michael Barone does an analysis every 4 years, breaking down the vote, deducting the fraudulent votes( illegals immigrants, etc) and so on. It's a wait and see proposition right now.

Posted by: Tuna at November 13, 2016 01:01 PM (JSovD)

357 Another great book thread OM. Thanks.

I read all the content and comments every week....you do a wonderful job...

...and it's great getting suggestions from the Horde....

Well done.

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at November 13, 2016 01:03 PM (ml2A6)

358 As for what I'm reading, I'm well into Bradley Martin's "Under the Loving Care of the Fatherly Leader", which is a history of the Kim dynasty in North Korea. It's a truly scary read, the story of an entirely nation turned into a prison and plaything for Kim Il-sung and his heirs; where everyone is required not just to obey, but the *love* the leader. (And if you don't think that that is what Hillary! had in mind for us, well, you haven't been paying attention.)

The book was published while Kim Jong-il was alive, but he was in poor health, so the final chapter looks at possible heirs. After reviewing the front-runners, Martin looked at the long-shots, the last of whom were the two sons of Kim Jong-il's third wife, Ko Yong-hui: Kim Jong-chol and Kim Jong-un. About the latter, Martin writes one paragraph, as follows:

"Even less was known of Kim Jong-un, said to be two years younger than Jong-chol. In early 2003 a Japanese chef, who said he had graveled to Pyongyang frequently to cook for Ki Jong-il at home, talked about the two sons on television. He told Japanese viewers that, in contrast to his elder brother, the younger lad when very small exhibited to strangers a suspicious mien. Jong-un's glaring ferocity, the chef said, pleased Kim Jong-il. The chef said Papa had indicated he would not choose Jong-un's elder brother because he considered Jong-chol too girlish. Being mean, after all, could help round out the resume of a dictator in waiting."

Imagine Caligula with the Bomb: that's what we're facing. Luckily, we have Obama and Kerry on the job: Top men!

Posted by: Brown Line at November 13, 2016 01:05 PM (a5bF3)

359 Sorta book-related:

The last two Kindle books I purchased, will not load via Wi-Fi. So, downloaded to computer and will attempt loading via USB...

Maybe reset our router? We only have wi-fi because of the kindle, but computers are wired and so would be unaffected if it is the router's wi-fi at fault...

First World Problem, ayup!

Posted by: JQ Flyover at November 13, 2016 01:06 PM (044Fx)

360
352 Soona, you now need to post a book comment on the political thread for cosmic balance.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 13, 2016

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Debbie Does Dallas was an exciting read.

Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2016 01:07 PM (Fmupd)

361 I'm dedicated to finishing my Sherlock Holmes short story on Wattpad by the end of the month. Its only got a few chapters to go, but its kind of slow going because its just a fun side project, I've never written a mystery before, and I'm trying to make sure it is a "fair play" mystery where the reader has all the clues necessary to solve the case without it being obvious or easy to solve.

And that is even harder than it sounds. At this point I am not even 100% certain how it ends, although I know the mystery. I've always wanted to write one but I think its ending up more Raymond Chandler than Arthur Conan Doyle. Not that I'm the author either of them are, but Chandler's approach was more to tell a story in which a mystery is involved, but its not even the main part of the tale.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2016 01:23 PM (39g3+)

362 Posted by: kallisto at November 13, 2016 11:26 AM (jkmtt)

You don't know them very well....it'll be Truump's fault, not the rioters.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor #FreeCthulhu at November 13, 2016 01:29 PM (sOlkG)

363 Bought the EC book. Just started Talented Is Overrated by Geoff Colvin. My reading time has been cut short by chores. I'm reading it between raking sessions.

On the flip side, I feel as if a weight fell off my back since I unfriended the friends and relatives flipping out on FB. No longer getting 70+ messages a day, most of them graphics shared from Occupy Democrats. That should free hours for reading.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at November 13, 2016 01:33 PM (UwMHj)

364 If you go to your Amazon Account page and tell it to show you digital media you can click on the download ICON and tell it to download to your Kindle if it is correctly identified on Amazon. But what I generally do is order the books directly from the Kindle or most often now, my Samsung Tablet. That way it goes directly to the unit.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 01:37 PM (mpXpK)

365 oops

359
Sorta book-related:

The last two Kindle books I purchased, will not load via Wi-Fi. So, downloaded to computer and will attempt loading via USB...

Maybe
reset our router? We only have wi-fi because of the kindle, but
computers are wired and so would be unaffected if it is the router's
wi-fi at fault...

First World Problem, ayup!

Posted by: JQ Flyover at November 13, 2016 01:06 PM (044Fx)

See #364

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 01:38 PM (mpXpK)

366 There is a good chance she will not be around in 2020.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 09:30 AM (mpXpK)

When she does kick off, the family had best cremate her carcass. Otherwise, the nation will lose too much productivity from the massive lines of people waiting to piss on her grave.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2016 01:43 PM (bY0uH)

367 Thanks, Vic-- but I have already double and triple checked at MyAccount, even tried re-downloading (a few times) and nothing.

I think either the kindle's wi-fi reception is kaput OR our router's signal is kaput.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at November 13, 2016 01:48 PM (044Fx)

368 LOL, have read the entire thread and see we aren't talking books today. Guess everyone's still too excited watching the tears of Hillary fans. The men too.

Posted by: waelse1 at November 13, 2016 01:50 PM (wtX2e)

369 There are books to be written about this election. All about how the DNC and GOP conspired to give us Bush vs Clinton, round 2. How the Republican voters refused to play along, but how the Democrats allowed their primary to be gamed and their votes ignored.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2016 01:56 PM (39g3+)

370 Guilty but insane? Perhaps a mitigating factor if it is not a violent crime? But I have some problems with the concept that a Ted Bundy or this recent serial killer from South Carolina might ever see daylight again, and frankly struggle with the idea that we should pay to provide three hots and a cot for decades to monsters.

Posted by: RM at November 13, 2016 11:16 AM (U3LtS)

No reason why certain instances of mental illness could not be declared "terminal", and appropriate steps taken, observing due process, of course.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 13, 2016 02:07 PM (bY0uH)

371

Kellyanne Conway doesn't put up with any shit. And this is why she won the election for Trump.

Kellyanne tells Harry Reid to stfu. And says 'protesters' are not there for peaceful reasons. Says they're getting spit on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BcMH0Azc2I

Trump could have hired any one of the typical Republican campaign managers...and lost. But he chose Kellyanne Conway.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 13, 2016 02:15 PM (IMbi5)

372 As a born "neocon" (like NGU, CBD, JJ Sefton, heh), while the word is sometimes used as a code word for "Joooo" (rarely if ever at AoS though) it is often used legitimately by those who disagreed with Bush's intervention in Iraq. Whether I agree with them or not. As others have suggested here its origins have been lost in the fog of time. In the 80s it was former libs who were on board with Reagan's foreign policy, something I think everyone here would agree with.

The same thing seems to be happening in reverse with "alt-right". Just what the heck is "alt-right" anyway? Is it simply the next stage of the Tea Party, people who are suspicious of GOPe? Or is it the racists and antisemites on the fringe? My suspicion is that leftists and NeverTrumpers are trying to use "alt-right" to tar the former with the latter.

Posted by: FOAF at November 13, 2016 02:27 PM (p0JMG)

373 Vic-- the kindle didn't even show up when I connected to PC. So, no drag -n- drop the downloaded files...

I rebooted the kindle, turned on its wi-fi and then it downloaded (finally!) the books I've been waiting for!

smh.

Beats fiddling with the router, but what a pita.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at November 13, 2016 02:37 PM (044Fx)

374 Love Connie Willis. She has a new one out called "Cross Talk". It isn't a time travel book, but it is still sci-fi. She takes on the culture of constant connectedness. (Not really sure that is a word.) I enjoyed it. Not as much as I enjoyed The Doomsday Book, but it was fun.

Thanks for The Great Mortality recommendation. I am fascinated by that time period. If anyone has any good recommendations about the faith of the average European at the time, I would love to hear it.

Posted by: Quirky Bookworm at November 13, 2016 03:02 PM (gppsv)

375 Late to the Book Thread, but thanks OregonMuse for putting up another picture of Pookette! Her guard cat/familiar is Hexadecimal, and he's 19 pounds of pure beta male. Hex cries when the other cat half his size beats him, cuddles up to Pookette when she's watching things or reading to him, and comes running whenever she has a meltdown. I predict that in a few years, he'll be cuddled up to her whenever she sleeps (after she sneaks some books into bed to read to him, of course).

Posted by: pookysgirl at November 13, 2016 03:02 PM (ar2KI)

376 Huntington's _Clash of Civilizations_ Kindle version is on sale for $4 on Amazon Goldbox.

Posted by: goodluckduck at November 13, 2016 03:13 PM (WiuWt)

377 Connie Willis is NOT British. She set a couple of her novels in England, but she's American.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 13, 2016 03:22 PM (OLgc9)

378 374 Love Connie Willis. She has a new one out called "Cross Talk". It isn't a time travel book, but it is still sci-fi. She takes on the culture of constant connectedness. (Not really sure that is a word.) I enjoyed it. Not as much as I enjoyed The Doomsday Book, but it was fun.
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I'll have to check this one out. Another great novel on the happyface oppressiveness of constant connection is "The Circle" by Dave Eggers, which takes place in a Silicon Valley hive much like Google.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 13, 2016 03:35 PM (EnKk6)

379 Hi

Posted by: SPinRHF16 at November 13, 2016 03:48 PM (5yp0V)

380 read his The Tempest,

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I always thought of The Tempest as just a fairy tale until I actually read it. There is much beautiful language and insight therein.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at November 13, 2016 03:49 PM (Nwg0u)

381 I started "The Romanovs" by Simon Sebag Montefiore at the bottom of Palo Duro Canyon blissfully cut off from the world on Election Night. As Mr. Montefiore is a very readable historian who, as The Economist stated once, "cannot be faulted for lack of industry", this should be a great read, just as his other books were. Waiting in the wings is Charles Moore's bio of Margaret Thatcher. I held off on it to be a consolation read if HRC won the election (you know, read about a REAL, no BS genuine female BA leader as solace), but she lost! I flipped through it and said "What the hell, it's next up."

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at November 13, 2016 03:59 PM (YCqXl)

382 Thread check

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 05:30 PM (mpXpK)

383 Thread check
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 13, 2016 05:30 PM (mpXpK)

It's still here.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at November 13, 2016 05:33 PM (VTmVX)

384 Kindltot @126 recommended the historical novels of L. Sprague De Camp; a recommendation that I would like to heartily second. They are available for Kindle at only $6.99 each.

My personal favorite is "The Dragon of the Ishtar Gate". The Persian warrior Bessas is given a last second reprieve from death by slow impalement and given a mission that may be equally risky: the Great King Xerxes needs him to pick up a few ingredients for an immortality potion. Bessas and his former tutor, Myron of Miletos (a Greek philosopher who is no great warrior but is a master of such arcane (by Persian standards) arts as logic, long division and compound interest) are sent to the sources of the Nile to capture and bring back alive to the imperial capital the dragon of the title. Oh, and while they are out, would they mind picking up the ear of a king? Thx!

What Bessas and Myron do not know is that there is another item on the list for the potion:

Heart of a Hero (1). Any guesses as to where the Great King's wizard expects to get that item?

It reads like a fantasy epic but De Camp writes with a through knowledge of the history and geography of the period. And do not miss the afterword where he lays out the hard evidence that someone did, in fact, make such an amazing journey.

Posted by: John F. MacMichael at November 13, 2016 05:35 PM (khzs0)

385 The entire Constitutional scheme to divide power to thwart tyranny. 3 branches, two legislatures with one popular and one reflective, an Electoral College, Federal vs. States, etc.

1.) The EC was designed not just for Big State/Little State balance, but to give the Establishment a check over the pure Demos, which can degenerate into a mob, i.e., 6 wolves and 5 sheep voting on dinner.

2.) The rationale for the Electoral College is the same rationale as for the Senate. If you abolish one, you abolish the other.

3.) Those state laws proposing awarding Electoral votes to the candidate who didn't win them are an anti-Constitutional short-circuit by Democrats to pad their lead, another Potemkin Constitutional ruse. If you think the People won't raise hell about that, you are sorely mistaken.

4.) I think Trump won the popular vote, too--especially once you subtract out all the imaginary friends, the double-voting, cartoon characters, house pets, felons, foreign nationals, mail-in fraud, machine-tampering, the dearly departed, Harry Reid's multiple personalities and all of Carlos Danger's aliases.

Going to a pure popular vote would create so much fraud it would make the Clinton Foundation look like an actual charity.

Amend your Constitution honestly or obey it like it is.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 13, 2016 05:57 PM (Ndje9)

386 Here's the hidden thing with the electoral college. When the census comes around every 10 years, they reapportion congressional districts by total population - that includes people with green cards and illegal immigrants. California itself has 8 to 10 EXTRA congressional districts because of it's legal and illegal non-citizen population. It has 8 to 10 extra electoral votes as well.

Now, the non-citizens aren't supposed to be able to vote, but the electoral college gives their areas extra voting power for president just because they exist.

When our constitution was established the slave holding states wanted a system just like what we have now. The non-slaves didn't want the slaves or non-citizens to be counted, thus the 3/5ths compromise.

How many congressional seats would be lost for the democrats if non-citizens weren't counted as population for congressional districts?

Posted by: doug at November 13, 2016 06:30 PM (Y7fRE)

387 doug--Those foreign nationals shouldn't be counted for Electoral College and congressional purposes, as they are citizens of other "jurisdictions", any more than we would count an invading army or foreign tourists. Again, judges have perverted this.

btw, The Senate, and therefore the EC, act as a kind of supermajority requirement. We should abolish the filibuster because it is a faux supermajority requirement not found in the Constitution--and respect the Actual supermajority requirement for treaties.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 13, 2016 07:18 PM (Ndje9)

388 Just getting in here real quick to say I have been reading the following books:

I'll See You In Heaven (Cat Lover's Edition) by Friar Jack Wintz
Homer's Odyssey: Or What I Learned About Love and Life From a Blind Wondercat by Gwen Cooper

I've been thinking about getting another cat after being without one for 13 years. That was when I was taking care of one of my then-girlfriend's cats while she looked for an apartment that would take both of them. After reading both of these books, I really want to rescue another cat from the shelter, but I still worry about paying vet bills. Is pet insurance a viable option?

Currently, I am having a ball reading G. K. Chesterton's Orthodoxy. He is such an elegant writer, and knows how to cram a lot of substance into a single sentence. Many times, I have read no more than a paragraph, and have to stop and reflect. But there's such a joy in the writing that I don't mind at all.

Got to catch the bus to work -- 'bye!

Posted by: DynamiteDan at November 13, 2016 10:19 PM (XeY55)

389 Any minute now.

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