Shelby Steele: Deference to the Stigmatizing Power of PC is "Desptoism"

He wrote for the Wall Street Journal, and I'd like to link them, but they're behind a paywall, so try reading it at Zero Hedge.

Since the '60s the Democratic Party, and liberalism generally, have thrived on the power of deference. When Hillary Clinton speaks of a "basket of deplorables," she follows with a basket of isms and phobias--racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia and Islamaphobia. Each ism and phobia is an opportunity for her to show deference toward a victimized group and to cast herself as America's redeemer. And, by implication, conservatism is bereft of deference. Donald Trump supporters are cast as small grudging people, as haters who blindly love America and long for its exclusionary past. Against this she is the very archetype of American redemption. The term "progressive" is code for redemption from a hate-driven America.
So deference is a power to muscle with. And it works by stigmatization, by threatening to label people as regressive bigots. Mrs. Clinton, Democrats and liberals generally practice combat by stigma. And they have been fairly successful in this so that many conservatives are at least a little embarrassed to "come out" as it were. Conservatism is an insurgent point of view, while liberalism is mainstream. And this is oppressive for conservatives because it puts them in the position of being a bit embarrassed by who they really are and what they really believe.
Deference has been codified in American life as political correctness. And political correctness functions like a despotic regime. It is an oppressiveness that spreads its edicts further and further into the crevices of everyday life. We resent it, yet for the most part we at least tolerate its demands. But it means that we live in a society that is ever willing to cast judgment on us, to shame us in the name of a politics we don’t really believe in. It means our decency requires a degree of self-betrayal.

He goes on to describe Trump as an avatar of the anti-deference position.

Note that he doesn't say, as I wouldn't say, that Trump arrives at his anti-deference position through rigorous philosophical inquiry. He arrives there only because he has a very large ego and has been rich all his life and, like a superstar athlete, therefore has come to expect people to defer to him and generally get away with behaving like an ass.

However, that's still something. I know a lot of "conservative" writers and politicians who will tell you wonderful reasons why one should not defer to political correctness, but then do so themselves anyway.

Actually, to be honest with you, very few people do that at all. The most they do is write snarky "Look at what these crazy college kids are doing now" posts. They don't propose a philosophical defense of autonomy and resistance to social bulling any more than Trump does.

However, let's say hypothetically that they did: Their actions will still carry more weight than their mere words, and their actions would still be those of a pet whose grown to like his cage and will mount defenses of his cage if attacked for living in a cage made by others.

Trump did not come to the position of defiance in the face of relentless, unending social bullying by philosophical pathways, but unlike most of those in our overly-socialized, let-us-not-defy-popular-opinion, we-all-must-buckle-to-group-thinking party, he did get there.

And that puts him ahead of the game.

There have been a lot of eye-opening things for me this election cycle, but one of the most eye-opening was to see how the "party of individualists" is so girlishly sensitive to Mean Girl social pressures, and of course how people who spend some time occasionally decrying social justice witch-hunts are very, very eager to join in a social justice scalp hunt the moment they have the chance.

It's very much like the playground, where people are just afraid to stick out for fear that they'll be the next to be chosen for group ridicule by the all-important Group, and who merrily join in in the ridiculing of others because at least that takes the spotlight off them for the period of the other's shaming.

Plus, of course, it's just plain fun to be cruel to people in a way that is socially acceptable because The Group decided it was, isn't it?

Posted by: Ace at 07:00 PM

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1 Is he related to STEELE JOHNSON?

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at November 08, 2016 07:01 PM (+eR2D)

2 hi

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 08, 2016 07:01 PM (cJrMO)

3 rd

Posted by: wth at November 08, 2016 07:01 PM (HgMAr)

4 Sorry, I didn't read the content. I will now.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at November 08, 2016 07:01 PM (+eR2D)

5 that other thread was getting ungainly.

Apparently there's an election going on. Or something. Could be a football game I guess.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 08, 2016 07:01 PM (cJrMO)

6 Shelby Steele sounds like a pornstar name. And not a dude pornstar.

Posted by: Joe, living mobile at November 08, 2016 07:02 PM (X33T/)

7 Maybe the trolls won't find us..

Posted by: deplorable donna at November 08, 2016 07:03 PM (O2RFr)

8 I'm a charter member of the Desptoisie.

Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at November 08, 2016 07:03 PM (8ZskC)

9 If bathrooms, butt sex and pedo stuff aren't the top mentions in the exit polls things are looking good.

Right, trolls?

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters at November 08, 2016 07:03 PM (3myMJ)

10 It's why PragerU IMO is hyper important and needs to be shared as much as possible.

Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 08, 2016 07:03 PM (R5HRU)

11 This is the thing I'm going to point out if Trump somehow wins: people didn't vote for Trump so much because they love him or his policies, although some did.

They voted for him because it was a big up yours to the status quo, an anti-establishment finger, a rebellion against snowflakes and helicopter parents and safe spaces and microaggressions and participation trophies and political correctness.

Trump is the anti-PC candidate. He says rude and nasty things he is utterly unashamed doing so, and when called on it, he doubles down. He is the FYNQ guy, and for all his many flaws, that appeals to people a lot.

How much, we'll soon find out.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2016 07:03 PM (39g3+)

12 Colorado tea leaves...

Denver County (Democrat) turnout == 63%

Douglas County (Republican) turnout == 83%

Seems like an enthusiasm gap to me!

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 08, 2016 07:03 PM (Uy6ri)

13 He arrives there only because he has a very large ego and has been rich all his life and, like a superstar athlete, therefore has come to expect people to defer to him and generally get away with behaving like an ass.

++++

But does he throw lamps and ashtrays at spouses and subordinates? Does someone have to sober him up at 4:30 in the friggin afternoon?

Posted by: washrivergal at November 08, 2016 07:04 PM (CFc5L)

14 Personally, I find trumps complete lack of PC-filter to be pretty funny.

Like a comedian going for comedic effect.

I like it. I wish more people were like that. It's the only way to win this free speech / free thought battle -- be willfully ignorant of their rules.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 08, 2016 07:04 PM (cJrMO)

15 I aint even gonna try to catch up. All I know is this is like waiting for a reprieve before an execution.

Posted by: freaked at November 08, 2016 07:04 PM (BO/km)

16 Shelby Steele. Forgot about that guy.

Posted by: josephistan at November 08, 2016 07:04 PM (7qAYi)

17 Ace I assume you read Steele's book from about 15 years back? Perfect, really. That he even had to write it pretty much summed up the sad state of affairs.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 08, 2016 07:04 PM (QDnY+)

18 hi

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 08, 2016 07:01 PM (cJrMO)
...........

hello

Posted by: Dick Ballschaeffer at November 08, 2016 07:04 PM (HgMAr)

19 FL EXIT POLLS SAY...

absolutely nothing because they're fake, Twitter bullshit and make even less sense than the other rampant tea leaf reading.

Posted by: Damiano at November 08, 2016 07:05 PM (71OEY)

20 Fox News exit polls saying Trump share of hispanics NOT down vs Romney

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at November 08, 2016 07:05 PM (hA1V+)

21
Shelby Steele and Thomas Sowell need to be brought on board Trump's team to deconstruct the Great Society and re-emancipate black America.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2016 07:05 PM (mbhDw)

22 As I've been saying, real personal freedom is intoxicating and people all around the world are dying for it. Trump is helping stoke and riding that wave.

Hope it shows itself tonight but it's coming nevertheless.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2016 07:06 PM (/tuJf)

23
Shelby Steele wrote "White Guilt." A must read, IMHO.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2016 07:06 PM (mbhDw)

24 PC is really a pretty new phenomenon.What last 25 years or so?And of course it only built strength fairly sliwly.

Posted by: steevy at November 08, 2016 07:06 PM (r/0kC)

25 I knew it, new thread.

Posted by: Skip voted deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:06 PM (QxcpD)

26 First time for everything/sign o' the times: NO SELFIES ALLOWED signs at the polls here in NY.

Judging from the sidebar, Eric Trump didn't read them.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at November 08, 2016 07:07 PM (WlGX+)

27 I want pedos in elementary school bathrooms because I want my daughter to be educated in a cosmopolitan, sophisticated environment.

HILLARY! 2016

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I AM SPARTACUS! at November 08, 2016 07:07 PM (Nwg0u)

28 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2016 07:03 PM (39g3+)
I'm with the poster that wrote Trump/Pence, because FU
Make the media sad vote Trump.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 08, 2016 07:07 PM (Q5Ymk)

29 I think all those "isims" means she really doesn't like us.

Deference? WTF.

It can be that simple.

Posted by: The Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at November 08, 2016 07:07 PM (MCEs2)

30 JJ @21 - spot on, brother.

I was referring to Steele's "The Content of Our Character" book - whose theme and arguments you can pretty much guess from the title.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 08, 2016 07:08 PM (QDnY+)

31 Should Trump win, however he is as a president (and I suspect he'll be lousy) at least he'll represent a pushback against PC stupidity and that pajama boy repulsive emasculated face of the modern left. A fist in it, even. And he'll govern non-PC as well. That's the only thing I can be sure of about him.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2016 07:08 PM (39g3+)

32
PC = Thought Police and the Left are the cops. You will be made to care, prole.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2016 07:08 PM (mbhDw)

33 deps Taoism maybe?

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at November 08, 2016 07:08 PM (U0lQa)

34 JJ - excellent point

Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 08, 2016 07:08 PM (R5HRU)

35 Judging from the sidebar, Eric Trump didn't read them.

Neither did half of America.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2016 07:08 PM (39g3+)

36 If Hillary wins, at least I can criticize her policy without being pegged automatically as a racist. Or sexist, when it comes to that. So, in that sense, it'll be better than the Obama years. But I am sorta optimist Trump will take it.

Posted by: lizabth at November 08, 2016 07:09 PM (p0fBx)

37 Fox is saying that the Republican vote did come out tonight and a lot of that credit goes to the RNC for building a great ground game. So much for #NeverTrumpers.

Yep.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2016 07:09 PM (/tuJf)

38 I'm gonna take a little walk...See ya later...

Posted by: deplorable donna at November 08, 2016 07:10 PM (O2RFr)

39 36: They'll come up with a new slur for us

Posted by: Cn at November 08, 2016 07:10 PM (wczgi)

40 Shelby Steele wrote "White Guilt." A must read, IMHO.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 08, 2016 07:06 PM (mbhDw)

Great book! I read Steele's and Sowell's, 'black rednecks and white liberals' books back to back.

Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:10 PM (Enq6K)

41
I hate PC. Sometimes I hate my PC, especially when I get the blue screen.

No matter the reason Trump is anti-PC, it is one thing I appreciate about him.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2016 07:10 PM (ODxAs)

42 So, Luntz is now calling Michigan for the FAB.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 08, 2016 07:10 PM (hqqM5)

43 JackStraw you are quite the optimist! I was where you were some time ago - was even in the business, sort of, of trying to push that frontier of personal freedom a bit - but like the French in the fall of '44 I could be said to be "cynical in defeat, sullen in liberation" at this point.

Here's to your vision, and our shared values.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 08, 2016 07:10 PM (QDnY+)

44 Heh. Wouldn't it be ironic if that great ground game the GOPe prepared for Jeb...

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at November 08, 2016 07:10 PM (WlGX+)

45 But does he throw lamps and ashtrays at spouses and subordinates? Does someone have to sober him up at 4:30 in the friggin afternoon?
Posted by: washrivergal at November 08, 2016 07:04 PM
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I wish someone had tried to sober me up at 4:30 this afternoon...

Posted by: Browncoat formerly known as Mike at November 08, 2016 07:11 PM (o38N1)

46 Note that he doesn't say, as I wouldn't say, that Trump arrives at his anti-deference position through rigorous philosophical inquiry. He arrives there only because he has a very large ego and has been rich all his life and, like a superstar athlete, therefore has come to expect people to defer to him and generally get away with behaving like an ass.

++++

I agree with your first sentence. There is no evidence that Trump is grounded philosophically to a political ideology, other than a perhaps generalized desire for what's "right". But, your second sentence is pure bullshit. Trump likes to opine without regard to the sensitivity of others. He sees no reason to censor himself or to shut up based on the code of those who seek to assert their superior social position. That is a far cry from him expecting that others defer to him. No doubt he expects his employees to defer to him, but in the public sphere, he has not had that trait.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 08, 2016 07:11 PM (R+30W)

47 I did my part. Now I wanna see the rest of the country get their shit together and help Trump drag Hillary's corpse around the arena with his golden chariot.

Posted by: Heroic Arms Akimbo in WY at November 08, 2016 07:11 PM (78luA)

48 PC is a combination of Orwell's NewSpeak and the Two Minutes Hate.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 08, 2016 07:11 PM (cJDvr)

49 I'm home -- allow the drinking to begin.

I'm starting with a Manhattan. Russell's Reserve cask-strength bourbon and the fanciest vermouth I have. Barrel-aged bitters.

(Dammit Ace, it's a cheat day. I'm allowed those every once in a while.)

Whatcha drinkin?

Posted by: Pastafarian at November 08, 2016 07:11 PM (sgHEm)

50 "...credit goes to the RNC for building a great ground game."

Eeyores wrong again.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters at November 08, 2016 07:11 PM (3myMJ)

51 I have NO white guilt. I never owned a slave and I never treated anyone other than the way they treated me.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 08, 2016 07:11 PM (rTLYJ)

52
If it's a one percent or lower win for Old Wobbly Bloodclot Clinton. It's not a basket of deplorables she dealing with. It's more like a megafuckton.

Posted by: YIKES! at November 08, 2016 07:11 PM (yfObW)

53 Voted today at my rural location in Brazoria County, Texas. I cast a straight party R ballot. I don't care about lick for Trump but I'm also not going to indulge in narcissism about voting for anyone else or doing a write-in when the most important thing is to prevent Clinton from winning.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at November 08, 2016 07:12 PM (J8/9G)

54 Plus, of course, it's just plain fun to be cruel to people in a way that is socially acceptable because The Group decided it was, isn't it?

Posted by Ace at 07:00 PM Comments

You betcha. There's nothing I like more than to be the 15th person to kick the already smashed-in head. Beats being the smashed in head, don't it. /sarc

Hey man, if you're really thinking of switching sides, you ARE going to be forced to count coup or kick heads to gain your bona fides.

Think on that.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at November 08, 2016 07:12 PM (kKHcp)

55 42
So, Luntz is now calling Michigan for the FAB.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 08, 2016 07:10 PM (hqqM5)

Are the polls even closed in Michigan yet?! If not, that's fuckin' irresponsible! (Pardon my French)

Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:12 PM (Enq6K)

56 Many of us are sick to death of this PC crap. We go around afraid to say anything, lest we offend some sensitive snowflake and reap the whirlwind of abuse. As we do not say what we think, no one can know where we actually stand.

Trump has tapped this enormous hidden trove of resentment and anger, and it will carry him to a victory unlike anything we have seen since Reagan.

One point that few notice is that the title of the highest office in this land is Chief Executive. It is not, say Chief Political Hack, Chief Person with a Law Degree, or Chief Toadying Puppet.

Trump is an Executive with a proven track record. He knows how to Manage things. That is what the office calls for, and especially in this dangerous time.

Posted by: Ruthless at November 08, 2016 07:12 PM (ro5Th)

57 Hope it shows itself tonight but it's coming nevertheless.

Milo Yasawhositz says the same thing, that this is part of a global wave, a pushback against the extremes of PC and globalism. We'll see. I fear that its a last gasp.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2016 07:12 PM (39g3+)

58 Is ace posting from the future now?

*looks at empty wine glass*

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 08, 2016 07:12 PM (PY9jH)

59 You know, Ace -

Since you are an hour in the future, you could give us the early heads up on tonight's winner.

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2016 07:13 PM (EayXl)

60 I hope America goes mean girl and makes hillary cry.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2016 07:13 PM (ODxAs)

61 Posted by: Pastafarian at November 08, 2016 07:11 PM (sgHEm)

Aren't you around my age 28-33?

If so - I like your style with a Manhattan. Classy. I'm too broke to get all the fixin's for that, otherwise I'd mix up an Old Fashion

Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 08, 2016 07:13 PM (R5HRU)

62 >>Here's to your vision, and our shared values.

Cheers.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2016 07:13 PM (/tuJf)

63 It is better to take refuge in the Lord
than to trust in man.

It is better to take refuge in the Lord
than to trust in nobles.

~~ from Psalm 118

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 08, 2016 07:13 PM (dFi94)

64 Trump is not someone we should hold up as an example in the defense of anti-PC.

Deep breath , Repeat mantra:

There is nothing worse than a Hillary presidency.

There is nothing worse than a Hillary presidency

There is nothing worse than a Hillary presidency

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 08, 2016 07:13 PM (kaCWe)

65 26 First time for everything/sign o' the times: NO SELFIES ALLOWED signs at the polls here in NY.

Judging from the sidebar, Eric Trump didn't read them.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at November 08, 2016 07:07 PM (WlGX+)

theres a court case working its way through federal court about a NH guy who took a selfie with a ballot. We have a law against that up here (for buying vote purposes.) Not sure how it'll turn out.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 08, 2016 07:13 PM (cJrMO)

66 Gah I'm sick to death of MeAgain with her giggles and rolling "L's" -- STFU, twit.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 08, 2016 07:13 PM (PY9jH)

67 11 This is the thing I'm going to point out if Trump somehow wins: people didn't vote for Trump so much because they love him or his policies, although some did.

They voted for him because it was a big up yours to the status quo, an anti-establishment finger, a rebellion against snowflakes and helicopter parents and safe spaces and microaggressions and participation trophies and political correctness.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2016 07:03 PM (39g3+)

To me they are essentially the same. No one else on the stage, except Cruz (and I'm cynical enough tho reserve a sliver of doubt there) was functionally against that culture. That march to the USA of France. Republicans as Tories, Dems as Labor. It goes hand in hand with globalization. There is little to no room in a collective democracy for individual rights. Look at Europe today, or Canada.

Until Trump I had basically given up hope that any candidate could break through the establishment lines to reverse the trend, since the trend is the bedrock of both establishment parties. Jeb, Rubio, the rest WANT that future, accept it as being the future.

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at November 08, 2016 07:13 PM (USf3s)

68 "Desptoism"

Sounds like what happened to my tractor when the kid drive it.

Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:13 PM (zu88C)

69 Are the polls even closed in Michigan yet?! If not, that's fuckin' irresponsible! (Pardon my French)
Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:12 PM (Enq6K)

Not until 9PM EST / 8PM CST.

Posted by: Country Singer (Gab @BertG) at November 08, 2016 07:14 PM (GUBah)

70 Are the polls even closed in Michigan yet?! If not, that's fuckin' irresponsible! (Pardon my French)
--

Nope.

I believe they close at 8pm.

He's citing "Ann Arbor" as the reason MI will go to Hillary

/because college liberals and their professors rule the state...

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 08, 2016 07:14 PM (hqqM5)

71 I have no white guilt because I've been poor my whole life and never have had a single bit of advantage. I'm 50 years old and even when I was young I was turned away from jobs for being white and male. I haven't ever owned a slave or a white hooded costume. I have nothing to be guilty about but by now quite a bit to be angry about.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2016 07:14 PM (39g3+)

72 Posted by: Pastafarian at November 08, 2016 07:11 PM (sgHEm
Chilled rose, only because it's 85 outside on my porch. Later I'll switch to the pinot noir. Then hopefully the good champagne.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 08, 2016 07:14 PM (Q5Ymk)

73 "There is no evidence that Trump is grounded philosophically to a political ideology"

I'm counting on that. He relies on his street sense.

With the exception of Reagan, most people so 'grounded' screw everything up for some reason.

To the point of losing nomination contests to non-politicians with 60% unfavorables.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters at November 08, 2016 07:14 PM (3myMJ)

74 Jane, do you get FBN? It is far and away better than FNC.

Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:14 PM (Enq6K)

75 Are the polls even closed in Michigan yet?! If not, that's fuckin' irresponsible! (Pardon my French)

Posted by: Tami.

Michigan polls close at 9 pm

Posted by: Bruce at November 08, 2016 07:14 PM (8ikIW)

76 He's citing "Ann Arbor" as the reason MI will go to Hillary

/because college liberals and their professors rule the state...

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 08, 2016 07:14 PM (hqqM5)

Ann Arbor? LOL

Posted by: Cn at November 08, 2016 07:15 PM (wczgi)

77 "drove"

Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:15 PM (zu88C)

78 Are the polls even closed in Michigan yet?! If not, that's fuckin' irresponsible! (Pardon my French)
--

Nope.

I believe they close at 8pm.

He's citing "Ann Arbor" as the reason MI will go to Hillary

/because college liberals and their professors rule the state...
Posted by: shibumi

Dumb to hang your hat on Ann Arbor. Let's look at Seattle and San Francisco now to see what we can glean from that.

Posted by: Maritime at November 08, 2016 07:15 PM (KCRj3)

79 Danger Girl
My dad had an office in downtown Dallas in the 70's . One of the partners of a law firm that occupied another floor was Richard Steele. Of on the first floor directory his name was listed as Steele, Dick. Heard more than a few women say " I gotta meet him"

Posted by: nsirchov at November 08, 2016 07:15 PM (ReHkX)

80 I'll call Michigan for Hillary, too. That was never realistic.

It all comes down to OH, FL, NV, AZ, NC, GA NH, and ME2.

Trump needs to win all of 'em.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 08, 2016 07:15 PM (cJrMO)

81 Repeating from the last thread, my 92 y.o. lib MIL literally collapsed from another possible mini-stroke while voting for Hillary tonight.

I can't even.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 08, 2016 07:15 PM (PY9jH)

82 Why would record high turnout in a change election favor the incumbent party?

I didn't know Ann Arbor and Madison were swing counties...

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at November 08, 2016 07:15 PM (dGs9w)

83 /because college liberals and their professors rule the state...

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 08, 2016 07:14 PM (hqqM5)

Luntz, the guy that has a 'stained blue dress' in his house.

Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:16 PM (Enq6K)

84 Gah I'm sick to death of MeAgain with her giggles and rolling "L's" -- STFU, twit.

The tits are raisin-y?

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters at November 08, 2016 07:16 PM (3myMJ)

85 'Plus, of course, it's just plain fun to be cruel to people in a way that is socially acceptable because The Group decided it was, isn't it?'

No not really. I prefer to think for myself and I don't like being cruel. Are we talking about trolls?

Posted by: freaked at November 08, 2016 07:16 PM (BO/km)

86 Yes he is coming from the future, but would he throw us a bone? Nah

Posted by: Skip voted deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:16 PM (QxcpD)

87 Sigh...we have been trolled. It's Kerry 2004 in reverse?

Drudge, really?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at November 08, 2016 07:16 PM (dGs9w)

88 We need to embrace all of the calumnies thrown our way, much as homosexuals embraced the term "queer."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2016 07:16 PM (SRKgf)

89 Luntz is frequently wrong. Just saying.

But if its an early night, then it will be an early night.

I am glad I don't have cable.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2016 07:16 PM (ODxAs)

90 Fox exit poll reports among those who hate both Hill and Trump, 27 % Hillary, 45 % Trump. 18 % Johnson.

The other 14 voters split 50 /50 . This part is a joke. The 45T/27H is true.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 08, 2016 07:16 PM (iWW0H)

91 Does MeAgain Kelly look more desiccated than normal this evening? It's hard to get ratings up and viewers to notice your plumped up titties when you deliberately dehydrate.

Posted by: Fritz at November 08, 2016 07:17 PM (fHq4U)

92 He's citing "Ann Arbor" as the reason MI will go to Hillary

That's like almost like declaring Ohio will go for Clinton because of Oberlin College. What a genius.

Posted by: The Duke of Mish at November 08, 2016 07:17 PM (Tyii7)

93 Are the polls even closed in Michigan yet?! If not, that's fuckin' irresponsible! (Pardon my French)

Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:12 PM (Enq6K)
=======================================

They are not closed, to my knowledge. I suppose it's more important to be FIRST ! than to be a responsible reporter who respects the election process.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 08, 2016 07:17 PM (dFi94)

94 I generally drink Gordon's (I'm a refugee from the days of the three martini lunch and still like my gin), but I have laid in a bottle of Bombay Sapphire for tonight. If the Beast wins, it will remain capped. However, I am confident I will be enjoying it later tonight, as I sing Ding Dong the Witch is Dead.

This is the day that we Ditch the Witch for good.

Posted by: Ruthless at November 08, 2016 07:17 PM (ro5Th)

95 There have been a lot of eye-opening things for me this election cycle, but one of the most eye-opening was to see how the "party of individualists" is so girlishly sensitive to Mean Girl social pressures,

Money shot, do I like Trump's policies, no I like Trump because he fights

Posted by: Jean at November 08, 2016 07:17 PM (2RVmA)

96 It all comes down to OH, FL, NV, AZ, NC, GA NH, and ME2.

Trump needs to win all of 'em.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

I personally think the only question mark on that list is Nevada and New Hampshire.

but we'll see.

Posted by: Maritime at November 08, 2016 07:17 PM (KCRj3)

97
Jane, do you get FBN? It is far and away better than FNC.

Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:14 PM (Enq6K)

Thanks for reminding me. By brain is exhausted from all the travel this weekend and now MIL.

Switching to Fox Business now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 08, 2016 07:17 PM (PY9jH)

98 It is better to take refuge in the Lord
than to trust in nobles.

Amen. It is in the Lord we trust, not in politicians and parties and movements. Man proposes, and God disposes, and it is best we always remember this. His will be done, even if it means something I dread or do not want.

When I was a little boy my parents would regularly tell me to do something I did not want to, or not to do something I wanted to. Sometimes it was just awful and I would cry and despair. But they were older and wiser and understood what I could not as a child. God is the same for us today. Trust the Lord, whatever comes to pass.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2016 07:17 PM (39g3+)

99 Personally, I want to punch PC in the face. I'm sick and tired of it--and I've been dealing with it since Columbia in the 70's. It really is based on hatred of Western culture and, of course, virtue vanity signalling (maybe those are the same thing). By the way, is it OK to take rappers at face value? Or is that "racist"?

Posted by: Caliban at November 08, 2016 07:17 PM (3GFMN)

100 The AoSHq time machine just hasn't been reset yet.

Posted by: Skip voted deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:17 PM (QxcpD)

101 Amen to the Anti-Deference League!

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at November 08, 2016 07:18 PM (tHwdc)

102 Repeating from the last thread, my 92 y.o. lib MIL literally collapsed from another possible mini-stroke while voting for Hillary tonight.

I can't even
----

How does one respond to that?

I'm sorry this has happened to her and your family, however, when you physically get ill when you're voting for someone, maybe that's a sign you made the wrong choice?

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 08, 2016 07:18 PM (hqqM5)

103 >>I personally think the only question mark on that list is Nevada and New Hampshire.

How did Crotch Bottom Vote?

Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2016 07:18 PM (EayXl)

104 Note that he doesn't say, as I wouldn't say, that Trump arrives at his anti-deference position through rigorous philosophical inquiry.

Realistically, we don't want a philosopher as President. We want a doer, and a leader, not a deep thinker. We're interviewing for a CEO, not a faculty position.

Trust me, deep thinkers are about the LAST people you'd want in charge of anything.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2016 07:18 PM (SRKgf)

105 Ann Arbor decides?

No.

Posted by: mrp at November 08, 2016 07:19 PM (JBggj)

106 Anon Y Mous for the win here.

Trump's candor is mostly "New York mouth", but 100% AMERICAN. Meaning - freedom (social, not just juridical or formal) to say what you want.

What was the bio of Harry Truman, "Plain Speaking"?

Forget Trump's lack of erudition, in a formal sense. It's probably mostly the devolution of American "leaders" into sub-mediocre consultant-crafted mashed-potato sandwiches (somebody's classic description of former CA Gov. Gray Davis). But just to have someone who just blurts out what they think is so refreshing.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 08, 2016 07:19 PM (QDnY+)

107 Switching to Fox Business now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh

=====

Your blood pressure will thank you! : )

Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:19 PM (zu88C)

108 He arrives there only because he has a very large ego and has been rich all his life and, like a superstar athlete, therefore has come to expect people to defer to him and generally get away with behaving like an ass.

I have a slightly different take on this. I think what's happening is that Trump genuinely thinks very strongly that he is NOT a bigot, a sexist, a racist, etc.

So he is both surprised and outraged that he has suddenly in 2015-16 been accused of this.

It's not that he has gotten away with behaving like an ass all his life, so that when liberals now in 2015-16 accuse him of being an ass, he insists on 'getting away with it' because he got away with it in the past.

It's that he believes justifiably that the attacks are unfair, and he stands up for himself.

I don't see the evidence that he was ever racist, sexist, xenophobic, etc.

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at November 08, 2016 07:19 PM (hA1V+)

109 Thanks for reminding me. By brain is exhausted from all the travel this weekend and now MIL.

Switching to Fox Business now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 08, 2016 07:17 PM (PY9jH)

My favorite Lou Dobbs is on.

Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:19 PM (Enq6K)

110 Better to take refuge in Smith & Wesson than the FBI.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I AM SPARTACUS! at November 08, 2016 07:19 PM (Nwg0u)

111
I'm sorry this has happened to her and your
family, however, when you physically get ill when you're voting for
someone, maybe that's a sign you made the wrong choice?

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 08, 2016 07:18 PM (hqqM5)

Heh. My poor husband couldn't help but chuckle that voting for the Beast sent his mom into a stroke.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 08, 2016 07:19 PM (PY9jH)

112 101 Amen to the Anti-Deference League!
Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at November 08, 2016 07:18 PM (tHwdc)

And here's to the Insurgency!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2016 07:19 PM (SRKgf)

113 "There is no evidence that Trump is grounded philosophically to a political ideology"

I'm counting on that. He relies on his street sense.

With the exception of Reagan, most people so 'grounded' screw everything up for some reason.

Grounded is another name for chained.
To a spot. Can't change if their life depended on it.

Posted by: rickb223 Je suis AoSHQ! at November 08, 2016 07:19 PM (2w7OO)

114 81 Repeating from the last thread, my 92 y.o. lib MIL literally collapsed from another possible mini-stroke while voting for Hillary tonight.

I can't even.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 08, 2016 07:15 PM (PY9jH)

===

Have no idea what that portends. I hope, however, she recovers. The best to you. As I have said before I believe that the out-of-country military ballot should rule supreme and be hand delivered on a silver platter and be a priority over everyone else.

Posted by: washrivergal at November 08, 2016 07:19 PM (CFc5L)

115 My son voted in Waukesha county, no pollster, he was number 2112. Said it just started to get busy again. Was disappointed they ran out I voted stickers. Husband and I voted same district weeks ago by absentee ballot.

Posted by: Brat4life at November 08, 2016 07:19 PM (/rGEE)

116 thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas -- no no chica, I'm 50 fuckin years old.

50. 5-0. Jesus Christ that sounds old. But I'm actually still pretty young, for my age. Still have my hair, reasonably fit. Fun, bouncy attitude.

I love the old fashioned -- but I don't have an orange. I wonder if I could send my daughter to the store...

Posted by: Pastafarian at November 08, 2016 07:20 PM (sgHEm)

117 Posted by: Ruthless at November 08, 2016 07:17 PM (ro5Th)
My first job I was a bus girl in a steak house. I was always amazed at the little old ladies that could drink 3 martinis at lunch. Then drive their huge cars home.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 08, 2016 07:20 PM (Q5Ymk)

118 Frank Luntz says that hitting yourself in the nuts with a mallet doesn't hurt.

Let me know how that goes.

Posted by: Damiano at November 08, 2016 07:20 PM (71OEY)

119 It all comes down to OH, FL, NV, AZ, NC, GA NH, and ME2.

Trump needs to win all of 'em.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 08, 2016 07:15 PM (cJrMO)

Swap NV for CO.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 08, 2016 07:20 PM (Uy6ri)

120 96 It all comes down to OH, FL, NV, AZ, NC, GA NH, and ME2.

Trump needs to win all of 'em.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

I personally think the only question mark on that list is Nevada and New Hampshire.

but we'll see.
Posted by: Maritime at November 08, 2016 07:17 PM (KCRj3)

I think FL, OH, NV, NH and ME2 are all question marks. I think the others will most likely go Trump.

I suspect NH will too, but that might be wishful thinking as a New Hampshirinian.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 08, 2016 07:20 PM (cJrMO)

121 Posted by: Colonel Travis

Will no one rid us of this idiotic troll?

Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:20 PM (zu88C)

122 Its going to go back and forth, get the early 2%in we call it for _____, I should read my book, turn on the airplane mode and wait till 4am to see won.

Posted by: Skip voted deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:20 PM (QxcpD)

123 59 You know, Ace -

Since you are an hour in the future, you could give us the early heads up on tonight's winner.
Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2016 07:13 PM (EayXl)

No spoilers!

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:21 PM (sdi6R)

124 Good luck, people.

Posted by: otho at November 08, 2016 07:21 PM (lmIoG)

125 PC is really a pretty new phenomenon.What last 25 years or so?And of course it only built strength fairly sliwly.

Posted by: steevy at November 08, 2016 07:06 PM (r/0kC)

Political Correctness was already a thing when I was in college in the mid-90s, and I'm pretty sure it started in the cultural revolution of China.

Posted by: Methos at November 08, 2016 07:21 PM (3Liv/)

126 LOL. Ann Arbor has a population of 110k in a state with 9.9million people?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 08, 2016 07:21 PM (Zfk8a)

127 Did my Civic Dooty.

I found it a lot less traumatic to vote for Trump than voting for either McCaint or O'Romney.

Posted by: mindful webworker - click here for silly election video at November 08, 2016 07:21 PM (5a8XA)

128 42 So, Luntz is now calling Michigan for the FAB.
Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 08, 2016 07:10 PM (hqqM5)

Completely irresponsible! He should be hung from a lamppost.

The polls are not even close to being closed.

Posted by: Fuck You DC!!! at November 08, 2016 07:21 PM (GJ05Q)

129 We all voted trump. Son is 24.

Posted by: Brat4life at November 08, 2016 07:21 PM (/rGEE)

130 A surprising lack of NBPP thuggery stories today. Maybe they're just getting better at it

Posted by: jsg at November 08, 2016 07:21 PM (bX8pJ)

131 Realistically, we don't want a philosopher as President. We want a doer, and a leader, not a deep thinker. We're interviewing for a CEO, not a faculty position.

Trust me, deep thinkers are about the LAST people you'd want in charge of anything.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

I always thought this idea that ideological purity being the real test of how they would govern was absurd.

Usually the really "perfect" voting record Republicans were simply ones that represented comfortable, Republican states. They weren't necessarily fighters.

Id rather take a Donald Trump that was willing to fight for something like Border Control over the Cato Institute think tank pencil neck that has a great white paper on entitlement reform.

Posted by: Maritime at November 08, 2016 07:21 PM (KCRj3)

132 It's a double Manhattan kind of night.

And fuck PC.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at November 08, 2016 07:22 PM (+eR2D)

133 LOL. Ann Arbor has a population of 110k in a state with 9.9million people?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 08, 2016 07:21 PM (Zfk8a)
And most of them are kiddywhippets chained to their lib profs.

Posted by: Cn at November 08, 2016 07:22 PM (wczgi)

134 Swap NV for CO.
Posted by: Serious Cat at November 08, 2016 07:20 PM (Uy6ri)

You could do that, but I think CO is unlikely to go Trump, and here's why -- large numbers of the degenerates in the country have moved there in the last few years since they legalized weed. Said degenerates + college students + CA refugees are all Dem voters.

I think CO is going to be a blue state going forward.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 08, 2016 07:22 PM (cJrMO)

135 There's your poll troll.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 08, 2016 07:22 PM (cJDvr)

136 Well, this could get interesting.

Shots fired, polling station on lockdown in Azusa, CA (LA area). Reports gunman opened up on police officers, two casualties.

Link: https://tinyurl.com/namy2gh

Scanner feed:

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/17025

Posted by: Country Singer (Gab @BertG) at November 08, 2016 07:22 PM (GUBah)

137 It's a very true statement that Trump is not grounded to any one position. He's had them all.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 08, 2016 07:22 PM (kaCWe)

138 It is better to take refuge in the Lord
than to trust in nobles.

Amen. It is in the Lord we trust,

all others keep your hands in plain sight.

Posted by: rickb223 Je suis AoSHQ! at November 08, 2016 07:22 PM (2w7OO)

139 Posted by: Pastafarian at November 08, 2016 07:20 PM (sgHEm)

Hahah my bad dude. Consider it a compliment. ANd yes send the daughter to the store, Old Fashioned is the way to go if you're gonna kill your carb intake

Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 08, 2016 07:22 PM (R5HRU)

140 CaliGirl at 72: Rose', that sounds like a good idea. Maybe I should take it down a notch. Haven't had wine in years, but I have a few bottles around here.

Posted by: Pastafarian at November 08, 2016 07:22 PM (sgHEm)

141 Heh. My poor husband couldn't help but chuckle that voting for the Beast sent his mom into a stroke.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 08, 2016 07:19 PM (PY9jH)

I'm thinking that's probably a sign.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at November 08, 2016 07:22 PM (+eR2D)

142 They only had I Voted stickers in Spanish at my polling place. Which maybe is good, I guess?

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 08, 2016 07:23 PM (/x6xU)

143 When will we know about Florida?

Posted by: freaked at November 08, 2016 07:23 PM (BO/km)

144

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at November 08, 2016 07:23 PM (BK3ZS)

145 I don't see the evidence that he was ever racist, sexist, xenophobic, etc.

Rather a lot of evidence to the contrary. But you know what? Even if he was... meh. Doesn't really matter to me at this point. So he's a jerk. What can he do for us? Obama is hateful toward whites and Christians. Some people still figure he's the best guy ever.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2016 07:24 PM (39g3+)

146 126 PC is really a pretty new phenomenon.What last 25 years or so?And of course it only built strength fairly sliwly.
Posted by: steevy at November 08, 2016 07:06 PM (r/0kC)
Political Correctness was already a thing when I was in college in the mid-90s, and I'm pretty sure it started in the cultural revolution of China.
Posted by: Methos at November 08, 2016 07:21 PM (3Liv/)

It did start in China. The first time I heard the phrase "politically correct" it was uttered by Angela Davis, in 1969.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2016 07:24 PM (SRKgf)

147
Posted by: Country Singer (Gab @BertG) at November 08, 2016 07:22 PM (GUBah)

What is this? I don't even.....

Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 08, 2016 07:24 PM (R5HRU)

148 Cat got your tongue Krebs?

Posted by: freaked at November 08, 2016 07:24 PM (BO/km)

149 Since you are an hour in the future, you could give us the early heads up on tonight's winner.
-
And it's Egg McMuffin coming from behind in the stretch!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I AM SPARTACUS! at November 08, 2016 07:24 PM (Nwg0u)

150 Clinton News Network link on Azusa:

https://tinyurl.com/oaktnzv

Posted by: Country Singer (Gab @BertG) at November 08, 2016 07:24 PM (GUBah)

151 Posted by: Chupacabra at November 08, 2016 07:23 PM (/x6x
I would say that's a good sign. They had those at mine too. WTF?

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 08, 2016 07:24 PM (Q5Ymk)

152
Florida after 9:00 PM

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at November 08, 2016 07:24 PM (BK3ZS)

153 >Personally, I find trumps complete lack of PC-filter to be pretty funny.

I found it funny when he was TRUMP: rich guy who is on reality tv, has a ridiculous gold building in NYC, and media personality. It's not my favorite style of political candidate though.

Posted by: Lea at November 08, 2016 07:25 PM (vmMMi)

154
My son voted in Waukesha county, no pollster, he was number 2112. Said
it just started to get busy again. Was disappointed they ran out I voted
stickers. Husband and I voted same district weeks ago by absentee
ballot.

Posted by: Brat4life at November 08, 2016 07:19 PM (/rGEE)
==============================================

Number 2112? What that just now? I voted in Kenosha County at 9:30 and was #102. O_o

At least Waukesha Co will go red. Wish I could say the same for here.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 08, 2016 07:25 PM (dFi94)

155 >> But just to have someone who just blurts out what they think is so refreshing.

Yes, THIS.

Think the 3rd debate responses on abortion were a perfect example of this. Hillary goes into all kinds of PP talking points, solidarity w/families yadda yadda yadda. Trump just says late-term abortion is wrong. Yes, inelegant, but really nailed the difference between abortion absolutists and people who can agree that, in light of the PP videos, things have progressed into ghoulish territory that no amount of euphemisms can hide.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 08, 2016 07:25 PM (NOIQH)

156 Posted by: freaked at November 08, 2016 07:23 PM (BO/km)

I'm sure CNNwill call Florida before 9. They'll be wrong, but we'lol know by then.

Posted by: Joe, living mobile at November 08, 2016 07:25 PM (X33T/)

157 VoteCastr, which aims to break Election Day's "traditional information embargo," goes live on Slate.com

VoteCastr = Demprog horseshit

Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:25 PM (zu88C)

158 126 PC is really a pretty new phenomenon.What last 25 years or so?And of course it only built strength fairly sliwly.
Posted by: steevy at November 08, 2016 07:06 PM (r/0kC)

Bill Whittle has an excellent piece on its roots. It goes way back to the Frankfort school era.

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at November 08, 2016 07:25 PM (USf3s)

159 'Florida after 9:00 PM'

Thanks. Still plenty of time to get faced.

Posted by: freaked at November 08, 2016 07:25 PM (BO/km)

160 It is better to take refuge in the Lord
than to trust in man.

It is better to take refuge in the Lord
than to trust in nobles.

~~ from Psalm 118

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 08, 2016 07:13 PM (dFi94)

==========
Without God, I'd be lost for sure.

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at November 08, 2016 07:25 PM (tHwdc)

161 Back from voting with grandkids. Older one (12) was impressed that people talked to me and I talked about what my four kidlets were doing. 2yo was a looney, but had fun -- I'm so grateful that he knows holding hands is a good thing.

Not overly busy for presidential year. Nice thing is that we have high schoolers helping for credit. They were sweet.

Old Dem (Commie) is still the pollwatcher and at least he acknowledged me this time (since I have known him for 30 years at the least) -- primary he was soooo disappointed that this old R was still voting R.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 08, 2016 07:26 PM (MIKMs)

162 They only had I Voted stickers in Spanish at my polling place. Which maybe is good, I guess?

The fact that they have any in Spanish at all annoys me in many ways.

Luntz is nobody. No one except political junkies even know who he is or have heard of him. His opinions on subjects push dialog on places like this but 99.99% of the population has no clue who the guy is or what he does. He's not influencing anything.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2016 07:26 PM (39g3+)

163 Posted by: Pastafarian at November 08, 2016 07:22 PM (sgHEm)
It's from our grapes, I have cases of it. I like it when it's hot.
It's a rose of pinot. The winemaker is really talented. He may have the wine in Whole Foods soon.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 08, 2016 07:26 PM (Q5Ymk)

164 OT: Watching ESPN at work. Why are progressive left wing institutions like the University of Wisconsin cesspools of racism? At least that the takeaway from what I'm watching at the moment.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 08, 2016 07:26 PM (syGA0)

165 @88 Yep..that's about the conclusion I've come to. I don't believe I have a racist bone in my body. I someone wants to see me as one, that's on them. I refuse to play their games, from here on out. I am really, really sick of second guessing what I SAY to people, because...TRIGGERS.

Posted by: lizabth at November 08, 2016 07:26 PM (p0fBx)

166 159 VoteCastr, which aims to break Election Day's "traditional information embargo," goes live on Slate.com

VoteCastr = Demprog horseshit
Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:25 PM (zu88C)

Yeah, I think it has some #nevertrumper pedigree as well.

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at November 08, 2016 07:26 PM (USf3s)

167 Well quit quoting Progpaganda.

Genius.

Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:26 PM (zu88C)

168 Damn you people for being able to drink your way thru this. I have to work tonight and live thru y'all. Sober.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at November 08, 2016 07:26 PM (UJkDW)

169
Nope, getting set up on a different computer. The long name plus "Barrel Begone (TM)" led to many typing miscues.

Off with the Mrs. to Stocking for Soldiers.

BBL... maybe.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Irredeemable Cycling Stars (TM) at November 08, 2016 07:26 PM (BK3ZS)

170 Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at November 08, 2016 07:25 PM (USf3s)

Ah, the Frankfort School -- is there anything that they didn't ruin?

Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 08, 2016 07:27 PM (R5HRU)

171 I agree with this analysis. Had unpleasant words this morning with someone who refused to vote and seemed to me he just wanted to be able to "fit in" with his social group no matter which way the election went by abdicating any responsibility for it. I might have actually used the word coward.....it didn't go over well but that's the power of social stigmatization.

Posted by: cricket at November 08, 2016 07:27 PM (PLSbe)

172 "The polls are about to close..."

*polls close*

"Hillary wins. Good night!"

*studio lights shut off*

Posted by: CNN at November 08, 2016 07:27 PM (4ErVI)

173 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2016 07:26 PM (39g3+)
Also, his mansion is creepy.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 08, 2016 07:27 PM (Q5Ymk)

174 Well, there were more people at my little polling place, the local church here, than I've ever seen before. This morning, the line, well, I had to describe the layout, but it went all the way to the damn road. The parking lot was slap full.

I finally bit the bullet and got in the line at 5:30PM, and just got back. I stayed in line over an hour. They had 3 times as many voting machines as they've ever had.

I have never seen turnout like this. Ever. This is a district in Jeff Duncan's district, Greenville SC are. I used to be in District 4, Trey Gowdy, but after redistricting where we got upped to 9 electoral votes, they shaved me off and put me over in Duncan's district.

Again, I've never seen turnout at this level, ever, and I've been voting since '86.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 08, 2016 07:27 PM (DW+jj)

175 Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at November 08, 2016 07:26 PM (UJkDW)
I planned ahead and took tomorrow off.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 08, 2016 07:28 PM (Q5Ymk)

176 Voted earlier and I don't think mcmurfin was on the ballot.

Posted by: Lea at November 08, 2016 07:28 PM (vmMMi)

177 Fox News exit poll - 82% say Trump can bring change.

If that was important to the voters, he wins.

Posted by: IC at November 08, 2016 07:28 PM (a0IVu)

178 Grammie winger yes just now. He said got there just in time. The traffic was getting bad. He's on 43 said there is a bad accident He had school today

Posted by: Brat4life at November 08, 2016 07:28 PM (/rGEE)

179 That's right mother f****** Trump grabs pussy like the best of them

Posted by: Karmic Justice at November 08, 2016 07:28 PM (iJaqf)

180 Fuck exit polls. I'll wait for real numbers.

No more lies or spin.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 08, 2016 07:28 PM (cJDvr)

181 Ah, the Frankfort School -- is there anything that they didn't ruin?
Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 08, 2016 07:27 PM (R5HRU)

No. Still shitting on the free world to this day.

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at November 08, 2016 07:28 PM (USf3s)

182 It's not my favorite style of political candidate though.

Mine either, I long for days of statesmen who could lift your heart with strong, wise words, but I fear those have always been very rare. The thing is, as long as he kicks PC in the pills with steel toed boots, I can live with him being a hamfisted jerk. Consider it balance.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2016 07:28 PM (39g3+)

183 Still think no one knows till they count the 100 million votes, but sure that this is the last chance

Posted by: Skip voted deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:28 PM (QxcpD)

184 It's a very true statement that Trump is not grounded to any one position. He's had them all.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

Yes, and that's good. He looks at and entertains all possibilities. What's more important than bull-headed-lockstep-by-rote is having good instincts. He's only gotten this far by exhibiting he has those.

The pros in the race had lots of great positions that they've held forever.

With no result.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters at November 08, 2016 07:28 PM (3myMJ)

185 Exit polls are shows a huge lead for Shillary by WWI vets.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at November 08, 2016 07:28 PM (xInes)

186 Levin sounding worried.
Commence with Valu-rite consumption immediately.

Posted by: Done at November 08, 2016 07:29 PM (VjZ79)

187 Posted by: Lea at November 08, 2016 07:28 PM (vmMMi)

Not sure if you meant to write McMurfin or Muffin. The typo is hilarious, in fact moreso than the original.

Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 08, 2016 07:29 PM (R5HRU)

188 Just got home. Made a raspberry margarita and poured a shot of tequila. Shall we be celebrating tonight or crying and afraid of our future? I pray it's the former. My husband (who is still recovering from his stroke) drove to vote today. He became very discombobulated after he filled out his ballot. He still has a hard time with large open areas and too many people. Bless his heart. He managed. He said babe.. I'm sure most of the people there thought I was drunk... but I just became overwhelmed and I stumbled a few times but I got that ballot filled out!

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 08, 2016 07:29 PM (CNHr1)

189 Dang, CaliGirl, pinto rose from your own grapes.

That's livin', in my estimation.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 08, 2016 07:30 PM (QDnY+)

190 The population keeps surging around TX. Lots of people fleeing failing states (blue states, especially CA). Lots of businesses relocating from blue states.

I'm guessing that it won't be much longer before TX goes blue in national elections.

Posted by: Damiano at November 08, 2016 07:30 PM (71OEY)

191 Exit polls are shows a huge lead for Shillary by WWI vets.

You should have seen the lead she had by CW Bluebellies.

Posted by: rickb223 Je suis AoSHQ! at November 08, 2016 07:30 PM (2w7OO)

192 Jane D'oh: ...Heh. My poor husband couldn't help but chuckle that voting for the Beast sent his mom into a stroke.

Glad you said that. Everyone had the thought, but could not rightly make the joke.

Posted by: mindful webworker - click here for silly election video at November 08, 2016 07:30 PM (5a8XA)

193 Pastafarian,
This rose is over 14 percent alcohol. I have to watch it. I can't drink it too quickly. Not a pretty scene.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 08, 2016 07:30 PM (Q5Ymk)

194 Drudge has now moved PA from + Hillary to showdown.

Hey, I'm just grasping for a good straw here, folks!

Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at November 08, 2016 07:31 PM (hA1V+)

195 PC really raised its ugly head in the 90s, that's when the term became popular and started being spread around. That's when colleges started to make policy based on PC. There was a cultural pushback and it quieted down a while, and now its come back with a vengeance.

But you know what? If there's one thing that unites nearly everyone across the political spectrum other than the extremely radical types, its disgust with PC. That snowflake, triggering, microaggression crap just makes people want to puke.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2016 07:31 PM (39g3+)

196 Jasper just did the funniest thing! He danced with my leg! His hips were pumping! So cute!

Posted by: Dana Perino at November 08, 2016 07:31 PM (FXW24)

197 >Not sure if you meant to write McMurfin or Muffin. The typo is hilarious, in fact moreso than the original.
Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 08, 2016 07:29 PM (R5HRU)

Was a typo but thought it was funny so left it!

Posted by: Lea at November 08, 2016 07:31 PM (vmMMi)

198 Our one named trolls are back? *reaches for Raid*

Posted by: IC at November 08, 2016 07:31 PM (a0IVu)

199 And here's to the Insurgency!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 08, 2016 07:19 PM (SRKgf)

HEAR HEAR!

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at November 08, 2016 07:31 PM (tHwdc)

200 187 Levin sounding worried.
Commence with Valu-rite consumption immediately.
Posted by: Done at November 08, 2016 07:29 PM (VjZ79)

===

I was going to buy spirits but decided I would coffee it out. I feared that I would not stop imbibing if the Hildebeast won and what good would that do for the mere immediate numbing effect.

Posted by: washrivergal at November 08, 2016 07:32 PM (CFc5L)

201 Speaking of (last line of The Content) "... it's just plain fun to be cruel to people in a way that is socially acceptable because The Group decided it was, isn't it?"

Read the comments to the "Eric Jr ballot tweet" story in the sidebar. O. M. G.

The Moron Horde is, in minimalist terms, eclectic & uplifting. The moron herd in that comment section are auditioning for their BrownShirts from Madam Presidente, May the Odd Ever Be your Flavor, PBUXer.

Posted by: An American Commoner, Irredeemably Deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:32 PM (pxwEr)

202 wasn't this already...?

anyway. Kentucky Indiana New Hampshire are Trump

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at November 08, 2016 07:33 PM (U0lQa)

203 Jasper just did the funniest thing! He danced with my leg! His hips were pumping! So cute!

Posted by: Dana Perino at November 08, 2016 07:31 PM (FXW24)

Damn you, Dana. I almost wasted a perfectly good mouthful of wine on my screen.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 08, 2016 07:33 PM (PY9jH)

204 196 PC really raised its ugly head in the 90s, that's when the term became popular and started being spread around. That's when colleges started to make policy based on PC. There was a cultural pushback and it quieted down a while, and now its come back with a vengeance.

I was in Public Relations at the time, which tends to be PC in general. I got out when I started referring to my now wife as "the person I'm dating..."

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at November 08, 2016 07:33 PM (USf3s)

205 There is a counter weight I see developing to the SJW PC crap.... to this very issue...

Its the Cranky Old Man who is tired of putting up with Shit....

I've already been called a Racist... and Sexist... and bigot... and deplorable...

I've already been passed over for jobs because I don't speak Spanish.. or Farsi... or because I'm too White... or a Vet (yes, really happened, I scared the shit out of the Kid interviewing me)... or just 'not of their generation'...

Hell... I'm already pretty much retired.... because the economy sucks...

Soooo... just what the hell are they going to do to me when I call them out on their Bullshit???

Especially as my Lady, is fully onboard with me calling them OUT on said bullshit...

Posted by: Don Q. at November 08, 2016 07:33 PM (qf6WZ)

206 Wife just got back, 2 1/2 hrs

Posted by: Skip voted deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:33 PM (QxcpD)

207 Just got home. Poured myself one bourbon, one shot, one beer.

Posted by: George Thorogood at November 08, 2016 07:34 PM (hA1V+)

208
Don't get to worried about who says what, remember that its been kind of a long shot for a while now with the culture the way it is, just watch the actual votes come in if you want. Vote 1 hasn't been counted yet. Except those midnight towns in NH, which Trump won.

But I am outta here, see ya later if there is a celebration.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2016 07:34 PM (ODxAs)

209 At this point, all states are battleground states.

Posted by: mrp at November 08, 2016 07:34 PM (JBggj)

210 Won't the first "real data" not be available until 8PM eastern?

Until then, doesn't seem like any of this stuff matters in the least.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 08, 2016 07:34 PM (QDnY+)

211 Posted by: rhomboid at November 08, 2016 07:30 PM (QDnY+)
It really is nice here. I'm very fortunate.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 08, 2016 07:34 PM (Q5Ymk)

212 >>>Damn you people for being able to drink your way thru this. I have to work tonight and live thru y'all. Sober.
Posted by: Country Boy<<<

I'm trying my hand at Canadian whiskey just in case, eh?

Posted by: Fritz at November 08, 2016 07:34 PM (fHq4U)

213 212 Won't the first "real data" not be available until 8PM eastern?

Until then, doesn't seem like any of this stuff matters in the least.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 08, 2016 07:34 PM (QDnY+)

Right.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 08, 2016 07:34 PM (cJrMO)

214 Political Correctness made a resurgence because they repackaged it as "Social Justice", which sounded better, and easier to shame if anyone disagreed with it.

Posted by: Deplorably Rusty Nail at November 08, 2016 07:34 PM (S2VsH)

215 Deplorablejewells45-
×××××××××××××
Bless your husband . He made more of an effort than most of us. I pray we will all be celebrating together,

Posted by: Dali at November 08, 2016 07:34 PM (HBU7W)

216 Bombay Sapphire, YUM...
now if I was living in Singapore, quaffing BSG and tonics at Raffles I'd be all set.

Posted by: Fewenuff at November 08, 2016 07:35 PM (YvE41)

217 There are some pretty numbers over at Politico.
Shrillary 18,848
Trump 47,267

Indiana, Kentucky, New Hampshire partial results

Posted by: m at November 08, 2016 07:35 PM (/4GEs)

218 206 196 PC really raised its ugly head in the 90s, that's when the term became popular and started being spread around. That's when colleges started to make policy based on PC. There was a cultural pushback and it quieted down a while, and now its come back with a vengeance.

I was in Public Relations at the time, which tends to be PC in general. I got out when I started referring to my now wife as "the person I'm dating..."
Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at November 08, 2016 07:33 PM (USf3s)

That would be the 90's... when Bill Clinton was Prezzy...

What a F'n Coincidence!

Posted by: Don Q. at November 08, 2016 07:35 PM (qf6WZ)

219
PhillyGOP
Seeing MAJOR turnout in our heavily-Republican wards such as the 66th. It may be a BIG NIGHT for Republicans.

Posted by: Evilpens at November 08, 2016 07:35 PM (y3aQB)

220 He's citing "Ann Arbor" as the reason MI will go to Hillary

/because college liberals and their professors rule the state...
Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 08, 2016 07:14 PM (hqqM5)

Oh, Lord, Ann Arbor is as far left as Madison or Berkeley...

Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 08, 2016 07:35 PM (P8951)

221 Just got home from voting after work here in northern WI. I was sorely temped to vote only for Trump and leave the rest blank, but, well, one last chance for the GOP, I guess, (again).

Posted by: davidt at November 08, 2016 07:35 PM (XoldI)

222 JJS @ 21
brilliant, and absolutely right !

Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at November 08, 2016 07:35 PM (VmIEt)

223 for what it's worth:

Fox News
popular vote:
Clinton 19,177
Trump 47,926

Posted by: wth at November 08, 2016 07:35 PM (HgMAr)

224 That would be the 90's... when Bill Clinton was Prezzy...

What a F'n Coincidence!
Posted by: Don Q. at November 08, 2016 07:35 PM (qf6WZ)

Indeed indeed.

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at November 08, 2016 07:36 PM (USf3s)

225 #203 If Trump didn't seal the deal with NC, he didn't seal it anywhere.

Posted by: Deplorably Rusty Nail at November 08, 2016 07:36 PM (S2VsH)

226 Still working on getting the vote out in Margaritaville before the polls close.

Posted by: Jimmy Buffet at November 08, 2016 07:36 PM (hA1V+)

227 http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

Fuck that votecastr bull shit.

Actual tallies in NH, KY, and Indiana are coming in.

In KY and Indiana close to 70% Trump and 26% HILLARY

NH 53% Trump 41%.Hillary.

Posted by: Fuck You DC!!! at November 08, 2016 07:36 PM (GJ05Q)

228 I'm not drinking nothing. as usual

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at November 08, 2016 07:36 PM (U0lQa)

229 FUCK!

I just hooked up my replacement cable box from Comcast, Russian hackers wreaked my old one, and the damn thing doesn't come with a front-facing clock.

fuck. me.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 08, 2016 07:36 PM (Uy6ri)

230 186
Exit polls are shows a huge lead for Shillary by WWI vets.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at November 08, 2016 07:28 PM (xInes)
I think she got all the remaining survivors of the Maine too, wait, they are dead, of course she got them.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at November 08, 2016 07:36 PM (7N6ox)

231 And now some partial scores:

Detroit 5

Atlanta 3

Kansas City 7

(hat tip - Steve Martin ..... or George Carlin?)

Posted by: rhomboid at November 08, 2016 07:36 PM (QDnY+)

232 207. Love this. Hope you are correct about a counter weight developing. Call me a rasict - it doesn't even mean anything anymore - the boy who cried wolf effect I guess

Posted by: Charles Gibson at November 08, 2016 07:36 PM (3CFdj)

233 Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 08, 2016 07:29 PM (CNHr1)
Your hubby is a bad ass!! I mean that as a compliment.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 08, 2016 07:36 PM (Q5Ymk)

234 We all know they will call FL for Clinton to depress turnout. Just brace for it.

Posted by: Eli Cash at November 08, 2016 07:36 PM (hxXuM)

235 Stubbed my desp toe.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 08, 2016 07:37 PM (IqV8l)

236 Of course Levin is nervous. We're all nervous. But God be with us and show mercy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2016 07:37 PM (39g3+)

237 " he did get there. And that puts him ahead of the game."

Obama's guys said "in the end it comes down to the barrel of the gun"

Or, "in Italy they would take ten guys and hang them in public, and the people would then obey better" (paraphrased)

So with a 40 year coordinated Marxist theory attack on America, whose fellow travelers had successfully marched through our institutions ... combined with a banking system that runs our monetary policy and selects winners and losers ... in the face of all that Trump "Got There".

That is what makes me so tired of hearing any of those that belittle his philosophical abilities. Those that have their ideological system have never put it in practice, on any meaningful scale. Trump has operated in the real world, and he is winning in the real world.

Set phasers to ideological stun is awesome Redstate Theory ... there are no such phasers in practice. I'm not military but there is something like "all battle plans go out the window after the first shot is fired".

So how Trump got there ... is by being a real person in the real world, offering what the real people wanted. Any diminution of his cognitive abilities based on pundit theory is only useful in academic circles. If they walked into the firing line armed with such weapons they'd immediately be beaten to a pulp.

America First ... NATO revisited ... strategic trade ... Trump did that, no one else came close. The left battles academically I guess ... but as we see now, they win by lying and cheating and laughing at those that think this is some academic debate with a fair judge. Our nation was not founded that way, and we never won a war that way.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 08, 2016 07:37 PM (LhGBu)

238 He's citing "Ann Arbor" as the reason MI will go to Hillary /because college liberals and their professors rule the state...

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 08, 2016 07:14 PM (hqqM5)

Ha. I am in SE Mi and AA is no reflection of the area. I hate how it became allowed for college kids to vote where they go to school when they are considered as their parents dependents (financial aid/health care etc). That change happened back when my older sister was in college. No. You live off your parents dime, you live where they do. Of course I know why that happened, and of course I know the GOP was too stupid at the time to realize what would occur.

Posted by: cfomahm at November 08, 2016 07:37 PM (RfzVr)

239 Jasper just did the funniest thing! He danced with my leg! His hips were pumping! So cute!

Posted by: Dana Perino at November 08, 2016 07:31 PM (FXW24)
.....

I hope you rewarded him with the peanut butter surprise!

Posted by: wth at November 08, 2016 07:37 PM (HgMAr)

240 In KY and Indiana close to 70% Trump and 26% HILLARY

NH 53% Trump 41%.Hillary.
Posted by: Fuck You DC!!! at November 08, 2016 07:36 PM
----------------------------------------------------
Aren't these good numbers? Or is it the bourbon talking?

Posted by: Browncoat formerly known as Mike at November 08, 2016 07:38 PM (o38N1)

241 Amen. It is in the Lord we trust,

all others keep your hands in plain sight.
Posted by: rickb223 Je suis AoSHQ! at November 08, 2016 07:22 PM (2w7OO)

One of the tshirts in gonna sell will say:

I trust Jesus

Everybody else gets fact checked.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at November 08, 2016 07:38 PM (UJkDW)

242 : DeplorableJewells45 at November 08, 2016 07:29 PM (CNHr1)

Good for him.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2016 07:38 PM (/tuJf)

243 Completely OT: Rifftrax is having an Election Day sale - 20% any order with the code CEREBRO or MAGNETO

Posted by: josephistan at November 08, 2016 07:38 PM (7qAYi)

244 In the military liked Canadian Club and Canada Dry, talk about cotton mouth in the morning.

Posted by: Skip voted deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:38 PM (QxcpD)

245 Posted by: davidt at November 08, 2016 07:35 PM (XoldI)

Yeah. As disappointing as Johnson has been, the thought of having Feingold AND Baldwin as my senators is truly disgusting...

Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 08, 2016 07:39 PM (P8951)

246 the GOP was too stupid at the time to realize what would occur.

Posted by: cfomahm

That's pretty much true for every issue.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 08, 2016 07:39 PM (dZ756)

247 Thank you Dali. I am very proud of him because yesterday he said he didn't think he could do it. It's THAT important to us. He's 67, I'm 62. Our health care premiums are skyrocketing (and he just had that stroke so he's terrified of a single payer system), our utilities have almost tripled in 8 years. We live paycheck to paycheck, I haven't had a raise in 8 years. It's getting harder and harder to get by.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 08, 2016 07:39 PM (CNHr1)

248 Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at November 08, 2016 07:38 PM (UJkDW)

Would buy.

Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 08, 2016 07:39 PM (R5HRU)

249 >>>225 for what it's worth:

Fox News
popular vote:
Clinton 19,177
Trump 47,926
Posted by: wth at November 08, 2016 07:35 PM (HgMAr)

Yeah, but that involves: MeAgain 1.

Posted by: m at November 08, 2016 07:39 PM (/4GEs)

250 Headed for wine cellar (carboard box in extra bedroom). It's time.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters at November 08, 2016 07:39 PM (3myMJ)

251 242 In KY and Indiana close to 70% Trump and 26% HILLARY

NH 53% Trump 41%.Hillary.
Posted by: Fuck You DC!!! at November 08, 2016 07:36 PM
----------------------------------------------------
Aren't these good numbers? Or is it the bourbon talking?
Posted by: Browncoat formerly known as Mike at November 08, 2016 07:38 PM (o38N1)

They're meaningless numbers. Because in the case of NH, for example, we're talking fewer than 100 people.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 08, 2016 07:40 PM (cJrMO)

252 Go ahead. Write me in. You know you want to. There's a law against it? So what. Ignore it! I ignore the ones I don't like and what happened? Nothing, that's what! I'm still THE MAN!! So go ahead and write me in. Nuthin will happen to you! I'll make sure of it!

Posted by: Emperor Clusterfuck I at November 08, 2016 07:40 PM (qJhUV)

253 I hate how it became allowed for college kids to vote where they go to school when they are considered as their parents dependents (financial aid/health care etc). That change happened back when my older sister was in college.

I hate how they are registered out of state at their parents home, and in state at their school.

Posted by: rickb223 Je suis AoSHQ! at November 08, 2016 07:40 PM (2w7OO)

254 I'm worn out. What is it, 3:43 P.C.T.?

Posted by: washrivergal at November 08, 2016 07:40 PM (CFc5L)

255 232 186
Exit polls are shows a huge lead for Shillary by WWI vets.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at November 08, 2016 07:28 PM (xInes)
I think she got all the remaining survivors of the Maine too, wait, they are dead, of course she got them.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at November 08, 2016 07:36 PM (7N6ox)

If only the media hand't repressed her role in the great coal bunker/Spanish mine explosion cover up, things might be different on election day

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at November 08, 2016 07:40 PM (USf3s)

256 George W. Laura Bush didn't vote for Trump or Clinton
==

those cold and timid souls who
neither know victory nor defeat.

Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:40 PM (zu88C)

257 I still haven't turned on the TV, don't plan to. I'm going for the full online news gathering tour tonight. Screw the alphabet media.

Posted by: Gmac- Deplorable forever 'All politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at November 08, 2016 07:41 PM (ALh6w)

258 Posted by: Serious Cat at November 08, 2016 07:36 PM (Uy6ri)

Your cable box was used as a DDoS bot? I had heard that was happening. Of course Comcast would build an internet device so insecure.

Posted by: Deplorably Rusty Nail at November 08, 2016 07:41 PM (S2VsH)

259 rhomboid - willowed in the last thread
-------------
I've been looking at replicating the M2 standard - I have a bunch of IMR 4895 and some 150gr bullets. I'd be interested in what you're using and the velocities you're seeing. Regarding reusing brass - have you considered annealing?

Posted by: Weasel at November 08, 2016 07:41 PM (Sfs6o)

260 Somebody said this week its possible Trump could win the popular vote but Hillary could win the electoral vote.

Posted by: Skip voted deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:41 PM (QxcpD)

261 Aren't these good numbers? Or is it the bourbon talking?
Posted by: Browncoat formerly known as Mike at November 08, 2016 07:38 PM (o38N1)

Yeah, for Chrissake people, don't go putting numbers up until you can provide a link and know they are accurate.

I'm sick of seeing numbers/tweets and getting my hopes up only to find out they're fake.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 08, 2016 07:41 PM (P8951)

262 Its so odd that the very movement that condemns "otherizing" so regularly engages in it as a destructive tactic. Shaming to demolish someone you have no rational case against is an evil thing that's long been practiced by zealots of religions for millennia.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2016 07:42 PM (39g3+)

263 Thanks everyone. I brag on you guys all the time to him it will mean a lot to him that you gave him some atta boys

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 08, 2016 07:42 PM (CNHr1)

264 Four days until Pet Thread!!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 08, 2016 07:42 PM (Sfs6o)

265 Hey just a thought - how come Ace hasn't linked to Decision Desk?

Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 08, 2016 07:42 PM (R5HRU)

266 check this out

https://twitter.com/PhillyGOP/status/796111744741572608

note on paper "son voted in place of father"

Posted by: @Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 08, 2016 07:42 PM (Om16U)

267 Exit polls are shows a huge lead for Shillary by WWI vets.

Spanish-American war vets as well I'm guessing

Posted by: Skip voted deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:42 PM (QxcpD)

268 I just yelled at my Yorkie. I'm a tad tense....

Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (Enq6K)

269 Just finished my first six-pack of Dos Equis and settling in for poll closings.

Posted by: The Most Interesting Man in the World at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (hA1V+)

270 Three most useless words in the English language, Pundit, Critic and Expert.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (rTLYJ)

271 Mine either, I long for days of statesmen who could lift your heart with strong, wise words, but I fear those have always been very rare. The thing is, as long as he kicks PC in the pills with steel toed boots, I can live with him being a hamfisted jerk. Consider it balance.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

I'll take a hamfisted jerk who fights over a limpwristed gentleman who holds back any day of the week.

Of course, I'd prefer a Reaganesque speechmaker with a solid grasp of the populace, impeccable manners, the ability to cast those manners off when the situation calls for it, well read philosophical foundations in conservative policy, but we have what we have, and I can live with that, too.

Posted by: Average Guy at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (8aO2d)

272 264 Thanks everyone. I brag on you guys all the time to him it will mean a lot to him that you gave him some atta boys
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 08, 2016 07:42 PM (CNHr1)

===

Tell him we love him and give him a smooch from me for voting!

Posted by: washrivergal at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (CFc5L)

273 Politico link

http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president?lo=ut_b1

24,510 C
63,395 T

Posted by: m at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (/4GEs)

274 Its so odd that the very movement that condemns "otherizing" so regularly engages in it as a destructive tactic.

Fen's Law explains all.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (0F67M)

275 266 Hey just a thought - how come Ace hasn't linked to Decision Desk?
Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 08, 2016 07:42 PM (R5HRU)

because they dropped the aos part of their name, I guess.

I still have 'em up.

Hopefully this is the election that they make it through an entire night without crashing, or without CAC having a meltdown and not updating anymore.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (cJrMO)

276 266: The meatball's working for buzzfeed now.

Posted by: Jackal at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (WQEH0)

277 I think trump lost Fl.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (SLk8c)

278 Your cable box was used as a DDoS bot? I had heard that was happening. Of course Comcast would build an internet device so insecure.

Posted by: Deplorably Rusty Nail at November 08, 2016 07:41 PM (S2VsH)

Well, thats my working theory. Thing went on the fritz about the same day Twitter was attacked.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (Uy6ri)

279 We can't trust the MSM to tell us the truth on anything, so let's not believe what they tell us until we actually see the Beast tottering up to the lectern to concede defeat.

Posted by: Ruthless at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (ro5Th)

280 jewell that's awesome!
Give your hubby a big kiss from all the ettes!

Posted by: @Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (Om16U)

281 So horde, if your choice for Senator was between "Obama with Tits" and "La Raza Mama", which caliber would you put through YOUR skull?

Asking because I'm from California.

Posted by: Deplorably Rusty Nail at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (S2VsH)

282 Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 08, 2016 07:42 PM (R5HRU)

I think it might have something to do with the fact CAC called trump voters racists in his interview with the NY Times...

Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (P8951)

283 Don't forget us! We're with her!

Posted by: Civil War vets at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (EIB5Y)

284 >>>206 196 PC really raised its ugly head in the 90s, that's when the term became popular and started being spread around. That's when colleges started to make policy based on PC. There was a cultural pushback and it quieted down a while, and now its come back with a vengeance.
Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at November 08, 2016 07:33 PM (USf3s)

Hi there, youngster. Even in the 70's we had the great emerging "he-she-they" debate. I wouldn't mind if it really were a debate, but actually it was a fait accompli.

Posted by: Caliban at November 08, 2016 07:44 PM (3GFMN)

285
Fucking ATT. Why the hell am I getting amber alerts for suburbs south of Houston? That's 250+ miles away you douchecanoes.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 08, 2016 07:44 PM (LuZz8)

286 Political Correctness made a resurgence because they repackaged it as "Social Justice", which sounded better, and easier to shame if anyone disagreed with it.

Posted by: Deplorably Rusty Nail

'Social justice' is to justice as Monopoly(tm) is to 'money.'

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 08, 2016 07:44 PM (v4Dtx)

287 One of the tshirts in gonna sell will say:

I trust Jesus

Everybody else gets fact checked.
Posted by: Country Boy

With an ace of spades embroidered on one sleeve like the Izod alligator or Polo Pony so we'll know. ;-)

Posted by: rickb223 Je suis AoSHQ! at November 08, 2016 07:44 PM (2w7OO)

288 I voted Hillary "guilty".

I can't wait for the sentencing instructions from Judge Trump after tonight.

Firing squad at dawn?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 08, 2016 07:44 PM (ej1L0)

289 If only the media hand't repressed her role in the
great coal bunker/Spanish mine explosion cover up, things might be
different on election day

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at November 08, 2016 07:40 PM (USf3s)

Yes, Randolph Hearst, the Patron Saint of all media blowhards! All hail "objective" reporting!

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at November 08, 2016 07:44 PM (7N6ox)

290 Hahaha... 40% of new early voters in FL are Hispanic.

Yup. Gonna be a short night.

Posted by: Damiano at November 08, 2016 07:44 PM (71OEY)

291 So far, Todd Young is up 60-35 over Evan "I voted for Obamacare then ran away to become a lobbyist" Bayh. That's the good news. Bad news is he's running 20 points behind Trump. Just hope he can bank enough votes for when the Gary/East Chicago/Indy/South Bend votes come in...

Posted by: Skeptical at November 08, 2016 07:45 PM (48qVd)

292 278 I think trump lost Fl.
Posted by: Kreplach at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (SLk8c)

Again, WHY? Do you have numbers?

Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 08, 2016 07:45 PM (P8951)

293 251 Headed for wine cellar (carboard box in extra bedroom). It's time.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters at November 08, 2016 07:39 PM (3myMJ)

And so it begins.

Posted by: Pastafarian at November 08, 2016 07:45 PM (sgHEm)

294 Deplorablejewells45
-----
We're llambright@thegreatcreate.com in the same boat with you. We can make it through. You're husband is a fighter, keep him close, we'll be ok.

Posted by: Dali at November 08, 2016 07:45 PM (HBU7W)

295 Votermom so much fraud goes on in this state is enough to throw up your hands and say why bother.

Posted by: Skip voted deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:45 PM (QxcpD)

296 282 So horde, if your choice for Senator was between "Obama with Tits" and "La Raza Mama", which caliber would you put through YOUR skull?

Asking because I'm from California.
Posted by: Deplorably Rusty Nail at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (S2VsH)

Sacramento Moron here. Loretta Sanchez is less Demunistic than Commie-lah Harris.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 08, 2016 07:45 PM (ujg0T)

297 211 At this point, all states are battleground states.
Posted by: mrp at November 08, 2016 07:34 PM (JBggj)

If you think they're all battleground states now wait until Clinton wins to see what battlegrounds really look like.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 08, 2016 07:46 PM (Zfk8a)

298 Posted by: Damiano at November 08, 2016 07:44 PM (71OEY)

& most are Cuban not Hispanic NUMBNUTS

Posted by: Evilpens at November 08, 2016 07:46 PM (y3aQB)

299 Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (P8951)

Oh yeah! I remember that. It's really a shame those twitter fucktards brought him to that conclusion. If I recall they harassed and gave him shit for marrying a black woman?

Oh well.

Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 08, 2016 07:46 PM (R5HRU)

300 Anyone posting numbers, please source them. Please. That's the last time I'm asking nicely.

Posted by: Average Guy at November 08, 2016 07:46 PM (8aO2d)

301 >>Emperor Clusterfuck I

Die, insignificant fool.

I have the write in vote, and my acceptance speech will be GLORIOUS.

I hope my advance team got New England booked, or maybe the Pacific Northwest.

Posted by: SMOD 2016 at November 08, 2016 07:46 PM (0pMBV)

302 1 Hahaha... 40% of new early voters in FL are Hispanic."

Cubans vote a bit differently than Mexicans.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 08, 2016 07:46 PM (P8951)

303 All numbers at this point are bullshit.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 08, 2016 07:47 PM (cJDvr)

304 PC's first victory was when, "Chairman," became, "Chairperson."

It's been downhill ever since.

Posted by: davidt at November 08, 2016 07:47 PM (XoldI)

305 Weasel - 4895 and 150g spire-points (?) are literally the ingredients for M2, I believe (not sure how the primers used compare to civilian-available).

Don't own a chrony, thus can't give you velocities.

I load to the middle-lower range. With 4064 I'm @ 46.5g - though I think I have to do another test run with higher charges to see if I can tighten up the results a bit.

With TAC I got this amazing tight group with 47.5g, so I've loaded 24 more to confirm. This also gave me the idea to go back and mess around with the 4064 charge.

Note: purposes are plinking and informal action rifle competitions, only. Using stock CMP service grades, original iron sights.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 08, 2016 07:47 PM (QDnY+)

306 Hey everybody.
So, what's going on?

Posted by: tubal at November 08, 2016 07:47 PM (d6TTt)

307 so much fraud goes on in this state is enough to throw up your hands and say why bother.

I feel that way about Oregon. Its all by mail and for ...some... reason they always count the Portland area votes last. Its not like they are getting ballots in any order, they have them all in by today. Its so blatant to count the most leftist area last, so they can get whatever count they need.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2016 07:47 PM (39g3+)

308

Frank Luntz

Demographics are not breaking in Trumps favor. This election will be more like 2012, not 2004

Posted by: ThunderB at November 08, 2016 07:47 PM (xCmUF)

309 No no, no, Jasper! None of that for me, thanks. You take that back to mama's leg where it belongs, okay? Noooooooooo... Dana call your fucking dog off, will you?

Posted by: Megyn Kelly at November 08, 2016 07:48 PM (qJhUV)

310 Kelly Anne Conway stating that the Trump campaign did not receive the full support of the GOP.

Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:48 PM (zu88C)

311 Hi there, youngster. Even in the 70's we had the great emerging "he-she-they" debate. I wouldn't mind if it really were a debate, but actually it was a fait accompli.
Posted by: Caliban at November 08, 2016 07:44 PM (3GFMN)

As a writer that shit gets really irritating. Either I can be grammatically incorrect, make some bloated he/she construction or piss off some activist snowflake.

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at November 08, 2016 07:48 PM (USf3s)

312 291 Hahaha... 40% of new early voters in FL are Hispanic.

Yup. Gonna be a short night.
Posted by: Damiano at November 08, 2016 07:44 PM (71OEY)

Cubans. Not Mexicans. Not Puerto Ricans either.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 08, 2016 07:48 PM (ujg0T)

313 Fuck exit polls. I'll wait for real numbers.

No more lies or spin.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 08, 2016 07:28 PM (cJDvr)

===========
Me too, I don't need the aggravation of motivated liars.

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at November 08, 2016 07:48 PM (tHwdc)

314 oh.. and my elderly 86 year old mother, who saw my I Voted sticker asked.. you DID vote for Trump didn't you? lol... yes mom!!

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at November 08, 2016 07:48 PM (CNHr1)

315 I thought I shart myself. But no, I just voted for trump. This is the last fuckin time I vote for a republican.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 08, 2016 07:48 PM (dnWSK)

316 Frank Luntz

Demographics are not breaking in Trumps favor. This election will be more like 2012, not 2004
Posted by: ThunderB at November 08, 2016 07:47 PM (xCmUF)

Could be, could be. We shall see. First polls close in 8 minutes.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 08, 2016 07:48 PM (cJrMO)

317 307 Hey everybody.
So, what's going on?
Posted by: tubal at November 08, 2016 07:47 PM (d6TTt)

Something about an election, I gather.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:48 PM (sdi6R)

318 Fucking ATT. Why the hell am I getting amber alerts for suburbs south of Houston? That's 250+ miles away you douchecanoes.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 08, 2016 07:44 PM
~~~~~

Usually they do that if they think the suspect may be heading your way.

Posted by: IrishEi at November 08, 2016 07:48 PM (eM2Uz)

319 301 Anyone posting numbers, please source them. Please. That's the last time I'm asking nicely.
Posted by: Average Guy at November 08, 2016 07:46 PM (8aO2d)

I'm not asking nicely. Stop it, you fucktards, unless you can back it up!

And not just with "well, Megan Kelly says we're screwed.."

Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 08, 2016 07:49 PM (P8951)

320 Cubans vote a bit differently than Mexicans.

Something about dems leaving them to swing during the Bay of Pigs fiasco.

Posted by: rickb223 Je suis AoSHQ! at November 08, 2016 07:49 PM (2w7OO)

321 @293

I'm hearing things.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 08, 2016 07:49 PM (SLk8c)

322 That was George Carlin rhomboid.
The hippy, dippy sportscaster.

Forcast for tonight,,, dark.
Hippy dippy weatherman.

Posted by: teej at November 08, 2016 07:49 PM (QJIMk)

323 311 Kelly Anne Conway stating that the Trump campaign did not receive the full support of the GOP.

Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:48 PM (zu88C)

Just - really, don't know what to say.

Posted by: tubal at November 08, 2016 07:49 PM (d6TTt)

324 311 Kelly Anne Conway stating that the Trump campaign did not receive the full support of the GOP.

Captain Obvious can be female too.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 08, 2016 07:49 PM (ujg0T)

325 I hope my advance team got New England booked, or maybe the Pacific Northwest.
Posted by: SMOD 2016

Hit my town first, a direct hit by a state-sized rock right square on top of my house. Just take us all the hell right out.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2016 07:49 PM (39g3+)

326 At least we won't have Republicans to kick around any longer in another election cycle.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 08, 2016 07:49 PM (dZ756)

327 Fuck you Luntz.

You ain't special.

You will know when we do, fatboy.

Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:49 PM (zu88C)

328 Steele, I was all a twitter for a moment.
Alix Steel has been one of my number ones
for years.

Posted by: gNewt at November 08, 2016 07:49 PM (xzZPy)

329 >>>115 Was disappointed they ran out I voted stickers.

Posted by: Brat4life at November 08, 2016 07:19 PM (/rGEE)<<<

Despite the ridiculously long lines at my precinct compared to previous elections, they still had plenty when I voted. I stuck mine to the inside of my toilet lid.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 08, 2016 07:49 PM (jV8Mq)

330 I actually don't think a Republican will ever win another presidential election (let alone an actual conservative). Between fraud, demographics, and the ever-expanding free shit army, I think we're pretty much doomed.

Posted by: brak at November 08, 2016 07:50 PM (guIHw)

331 277
266: The meatball's working for buzzfeed now.

Posted by: Jackal at November 08, 2016 07:43 PM (WQEH0)

BrentCochran, explained to someone in an e-mail that it's because: "... Con sites won't support Con groups. Everybody was perfectly
happy to talk about how great we were doing and use all our numbers when
they could get it for free, but not a single solitary Conservative
site, publication, or entity would actually pay for it....
So they get our business and those Conservative places can go piss up a rope."

Posted by: Tami...Powering through being a deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:50 PM (Enq6K)

332 You ganged up on me and I kicked your asses using Joo-Jeetzu!!

Posted by: Donald 'karate kid' Trump at November 08, 2016 07:50 PM (76Nj2)

333 Demographics are not breaking in Trumps favor. This election will be more like 2012, not 2004
Posted by: ThunderB at November 08, 2016 07:47 PM (xCmUF)

Black vote is the same? Youth vote is the same?

Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at November 08, 2016 07:50 PM (P8951)

334 The polls are about to close..."

*polls close*

"Hillary wins. Good night!"

*studio lights shut off*
--

Tonight on CNN, our 6 hour documentary on the National Treasure that is our Queen and Goddess Now and Forever, Hillary. This will be repeated 4 times, so all time zones will have a chance to watch the complete documentary.

Posted by: CNN Master Control Operator at November 08, 2016 07:50 PM (hqqM5)

335 Luntz didnt give numbers

Posted by: ThunderB at November 08, 2016 07:51 PM (1TXSC)

336 Well you know what they say.
CAC me once, shame on me.
CAC me twice......

Posted by: Done at November 08, 2016 07:51 PM (VjZ79)

337 It has been sadly apparent since Reagan's terms in office the the HOPe's biggest fear is someone calling them a "meanie". They are terrified that some talking head will refer disparagingly to them as "haters" or worse. Look at how quickly they cave in the face of even the smallest frown of disapproval. Jellyfish have stronger spines.

Posted by: Deplorable lady with a deplorable basket of deplorable cats at November 08, 2016 07:51 PM (76C2E)

338 So horde, if your choice for Senator was between "Obama with Tits" and "La Raza Mama", which caliber would you put through YOUR skull?

Asking because I'm from California.
Posted by: Deplorably Rusty Nail

Sanchez because she's dumb as dirt and hasn't matched Kamel Hair in the gun-grabbing initiatives.

Yes, that's as weak as Taco Bell 'hot' sauce, but thems the choices.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 08, 2016 07:51 PM (v4Dtx)

339 Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at November 08, 2016 07:38 PM (UJkDW)

Would buy.
Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at November 08, 2016 07:39 PM (R5HRU)

Thank you!

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at November 08, 2016 07:51 PM (UJkDW)

340 Didn't Luntz go into hiding after the 2012 election because he has been so wrong?

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2016 07:51 PM (Z1SI2)

341 Pennsylvania has 1 hr and 5 minutes to go, final lap counts

Posted by: Skip voted deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:52 PM (QxcpD)

342 Kelly Anne Conway stating that the Trump campaign did not receive the full support of the GOP.

Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:48 PM (zu88C)

Just - really, don't know what to say.
Posted by: tubal

Other than "no shit!"

Posted by: rickb223 Je suis AoSHQ! at November 08, 2016 07:52 PM (2w7OO)

343 Between fraud, demographics, and the ever-expanding free shit army, I think we're pretty much doomed.

I fear you are right, and Hillary pulls out a win . I think there are an awful lot of very angry people voting against her out there, but not enough to overcome the fraud.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 08, 2016 07:52 PM (39g3+)

344 I ate too much at dinner

Now I can't think of cake

Posted by: @Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 08, 2016 07:52 PM (Om16U)

345 Anecdotal data point.

10 year-old autistic son (to distinguish him from 12 year-old autistic son) says on Sunday.
"Dad. I saw a lot of commercials and I don't know if they are true but I know trump says a lot of bad words but I think you should vote for trump because he will help the economy and make jobs for poor people."
"I can't argue with that Jimmy"

So there you have it. Buckle up.

Posted by: Simplemind at November 08, 2016 07:52 PM (ZuGkg)

346 Had, not has.

Posted by: Infidel at November 08, 2016 07:53 PM (Z1SI2)

347 By the way, isn't that "Despotism"?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 08, 2016 07:53 PM (ujg0T)

348 All I'm going to say is start buying ammo and brushing up on your Spanish.

It ain't looking good.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 08, 2016 07:53 PM (SLk8c)

349 Other than "no shit!"
--

I believe the proper saying is "no shit Dick Tracey."

/and yes, I do believe the GOP wants Queen FAB to win

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 08, 2016 07:53 PM (hqqM5)

350 nood.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 08, 2016 07:53 PM (cJrMO)

351 If Trump loses i want him to stick around and poke Libs in the eye. Maybe do a blog?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'ranticly hoarding hobo jerkey' at November 08, 2016 07:53 PM (76Nj2)

352 But no, I just voted for trump. This is the last fuckin time I vote ~~for a republican.~~

Posted by: Mortimer, negative, dark, divisive and deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:53 PM (zu88C)

353 349 All I'm going to say is start buying ammo and brushing up on your Spanish.

It ain't looking good.

Says who?

Posted by: Cn at November 08, 2016 07:54 PM (wczgi)

354 We now break to more important news, such as what color pantsuit will Queen Hillary wear to her coronation...

Posted by: CNN at November 08, 2016 07:54 PM (guIHw)

355 Nobody has a final number yet for anywhere.

Posted by: Skip voted deplorable at November 08, 2016 07:54 PM (QxcpD)

356 228 http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

Fuck that votecastr bull shit.

Actual tallies in NH, KY, and Indiana are coming in.

In KY and Indiana close to 70% Trump and 26% HILLARY

NH 53% Trump 41%.Hillary.
Posted by: Fuck You DC!!! at November 08, 2016 07:36 PM
---------------------------------------------------
301 Anyone posting numbers, please source them. Please. That's the last time I'm asking nicely.
------------------------------------------------------------
Relax, all you complaining tough guys. You can search the posts as well as I can. These numbers were from the NY Times. FWIW.

Posted by: Browncoat formerly known as Mike at November 08, 2016 07:54 PM (o38N1)

357 10 year-old autistic son (to distinguish him from 12 year-old autistic son) says on Sunday.
"Dad. I saw a lot of commercials and I don't know if they are true but I know trump says a lot of bad words but I think you should vote for trump because he will help the economy and make jobs for poor people."
"I can't argue with that Jimmy"

So there you have it. Buckle up.
Posted by: Simplemind

God bless that child.

Posted by: Average Guy at November 08, 2016 07:54 PM (8aO2d)

358 We are witnessing the end of the republic.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 08, 2016 07:54 PM (dnWSK)

359
I actually don't think a Republican will ever win another presidential
election (let alone an actual conservative). Between fraud,
demographics, and the ever-expanding free shit army, I think we're
pretty much doomed.
---

Yep.

On the positive side, once Our Queen Mother gets us into a nuclear war with Russia, those things won't matter that much.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at November 08, 2016 07:55 PM (hqqM5)

360 So, if I get this right, it's either "Trump is going to lose, because I feel that way", or "Trump is going to win, because that's what I want".

I think I will wait a little longer.
I'll bet by tomorrow we will know.

Posted by: tubal at November 08, 2016 07:55 PM (d6TTt)

361 From Decision Desk (Twitter):

We have results from more democratic areas of both IN and KY...even with that...Trump doing well in both.

Posted by: IrishEi at November 08, 2016 07:55 PM (eM2Uz)

362 Fucking ATT. Why the hell am I getting amber alerts for suburbs south of Houston? That's 250+ miles away you douchecanoes.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 08, 2016 07:44 PM (LuZz

Lol, I got that too.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at November 08, 2016 07:55 PM (UJkDW)

363 When do your polls close? We still have 4 hrs here, that's when the vote counts really start.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at November 08, 2016 07:56 PM (6Ll1u)

364 Here we go. Good luck to us!

Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2016 07:56 PM (/tuJf)

365 "And not just with "well, Megan Kelly says we're screwed.."

Or luntz.

Trust that man if you want.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at November 08, 2016 07:56 PM (d76uN)

366 Virginia closes about now, yes?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 08, 2016 07:56 PM (ujg0T)

367 One of the tshirts in gonna sell will say:

I trust Jesus

Everybody else gets fact checked.
Posted by: Country Boy

With an ace of spades embroidered on one sleeve like the Izod alligator or Polo Pony so we'll know. ;-)
Posted by: rickb223 Je suis AoSHQ! at November 08, 2016 07:44 PM (2w7OO)

Duly noted!

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at November 08, 2016 07:56 PM (UJkDW)

368 349 All I'm going to say is start buying ammo and brushing up on your Spanish.

It ain't looking good.
Posted by: Kreplach

As a habitual pessimist, I'm inclined to agree on general principle.

That said, either put up or shut the hell up. Making vague Debbie Downerish comments like that is verging on trolldom. Either you have the numbers, in which case, show the source, or you're just ruminating like the rest of us, in which case, don't try to give the impression that you have the insider info.

Posted by: Average Guy at November 08, 2016 07:56 PM (8aO2d)

369 Please - if you give numbers - give a link. Give some context (state, county, other crap like that).

This "I heard Pennsylvania looks bad" or "MI - plus 1) is really ticking me off. Either bring it or shut it.

Thank you.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 08, 2016 07:57 PM (dFi94)

370 That said, either put up or shut the hell up. Making vague Debbie Downerish comments like that is verging on trolldom. Either you have the numbers, in which case, show the source, or you're just ruminating like the rest of us, in which case, don't try to give the impression that you have the insider info.
Posted by: Average Guy at November 08, 2016 07:56 PM (8aO2d)

This should apply for both the Trump faithful and the Trump faithless. I am assuming Eeyores like me rather than actual trolls.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 08, 2016 07:58 PM (ujg0T)

371 Between fraud, demographics, and the ever-expanding free shit army, I think we're pretty much doomed.

----------

Seconded. This is our last chance to not become a one party State.

Posted by: josephistan at November 08, 2016 07:58 PM (7qAYi)

372 BrentCochran, explained to someone in an e-mail that it's because: "... Con sites won't support Con groups. Everybody was perfectly
happy to talk about how great we were doing and use all our numbers when
they could get it for free, but not a single solitary Conservative
site, publication, or entity would actually pay for it....
So they get our business and those Conservative places can go piss up a rope."

++++

being a republican or conservative sucks ass. I'll be glad to see their backsides

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at November 08, 2016 07:58 PM (U0lQa)

373 Go vote now to keep them from stabbing Hillary in the back!

Order your Hillary Youth uniform now, and get a free death's head hat!

Posted by: Lady Gaga at November 08, 2016 07:58 PM (hA1V+)

374 Votes in Tenerife are 75% Hillary! She wins!

Posted by: This is CNN at November 08, 2016 07:59 PM (IQzhs)

375
All I'm going to say is start buying ammo and brushing up on your Spanish.

It ain't looking good.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 08, 2016 07:53 PM (SLk8c)
=========================================

Well that's helpful and informative.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 08, 2016 07:59 PM (dFi94)

376 I am going to be happy until we know for sure.

Posted by: @Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 08, 2016 07:59 PM (Om16U)

377 Seriously, I'm as negative as anyone can get about this stuff, and there's a time and a place to get that deep despair off your chest.

Here and now is not that place and time. Let's see how the real numbers look coming out, and by the end of the night, if we all need to get blitzed on valu-rite, so be it.

Posted by: Average Guy at November 08, 2016 08:00 PM (8aO2d)

378 Hi grammie!

Posted by: @Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 08, 2016 08:00 PM (Om16U)

379 Would somebody please inform me how much CaC paid me for my time and effort during the 2014 Congressional Elections?

I seem to have forgotten.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at November 08, 2016 08:00 PM (d76uN)

380 Re Lib MIL collapsing at voting booth after voting for the Beast:

The good news is, she didn't have a stroke. Hospital said she was dehydrated.

The bad news is, the old girl voted for the Beast before she collapsed because her libtard idiot daughters told her to.

Anyhow, I'm glad the old gal is okay.

Jeebus, I'm sick of husband's family. They're exhausting.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at November 08, 2016 08:00 PM (PY9jH)

381 The votes are in from South Paris: after translating the Farsi, we have 99% votes for Clinton and 1% Stein!

Posted by: This is CNN at November 08, 2016 08:01 PM (IQzhs)

382 Hi votermom! How are you this evening? I think we are supposed to dance our way over to the NOOD.

Posted by: grammie winger - Red, White and Cubbie Blue at November 08, 2016 08:01 PM (dFi94)

383 This should apply for both the Trump faithful and the Trump faithless. I am assuming Eeyores like me rather than actual trolls.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 08, 2016 07:58 PM (ujg0T)

Agreed. Trolls are gonna troll either way, though.

Posted by: Average Guy at November 08, 2016 08:01 PM (8aO2d)

384 That is, until the mighty banhammer of doom smites them.

Posted by: Average Guy at November 08, 2016 08:01 PM (8aO2d)

385 People still lined up in SC, though polls "close" at 7PM.

Posted by: Golfman at November 08, 2016 08:04 PM (48QDY)

386 "I still haven't turned on the TV, don't plan to"

I'm watching South Park (the meltdown over queefing episode).

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at November 08, 2016 08:04 PM (tHwdc)

387 Nood

Posted by: rickb223 Je suis AoSHQ! at November 08, 2016 08:05 PM (2w7OO)

388 Meanwhile in Chicago tonight there will be a few less Hillary supporters, as the gun shots ring out. But unfortunately they probably voted already before they go lead poisoning.

Posted by: Colin at November 08, 2016 08:06 PM (+V2ho)

389 >>Sacramento Moron here. Loretta Sanchez
>>is less Demunistic than Commie-lah Harris.

The party's already got Harris staked out as the next Obama.

Sanchez will never move beyond the Senate.

Anything that could derail Harris is a good thing.

Posted by: SMOD 2016 at November 08, 2016 08:07 PM (0pMBV)

390 Trump is winning NH so far...

Posted by: james at November 08, 2016 08:07 PM (jxw6R)

391 Re: Jimmy

He's the family democrat. He's autistic and really into US history and the presidents. He bought the Hillary nonsense at first. But I let him watch the commercials over the last two weeks. Sunday he broke for trump. Told his sister why tonight. Same thing. Trump says bad words but he will be better for poor people.

Daughter 8, asked why he says bad words. I told he still has a lot of growing up to do. She said Dad he even older than you. I told her sometimes people who are rich grow up and don't learn how to act right. Sometimes things come to easy and they don't learn how to treat others the way they like to be treated. Some rich people learn when they are young because their parents are able to treat them like everyone else. Daughter was very thoughtful.

Posted by: Simplemind at November 08, 2016 08:07 PM (ZuGkg)

392 Your hubby is a bad ass!! I mean that as a compliment.
Posted by: CaliGirl

Oh Sure! How do we know that's not that 30 proof vino talking?

Posted by: An American Commoner, Irredeemably Deplorable at November 08, 2016 08:09 PM (pxwEr)

393 those cold and timid souls who
neither know victory nor defeat.

Posted by: Mortimer

Amen brother. As a fellow Georgian, (and tractor driver) and a student of history, it is good to be on the same land as you, sir.

Posted by: An American Commoner, Irredeemably Deplorable at November 08, 2016 08:14 PM (pxwEr)

394 Virginia @ 24% reporting
%
Clinton 41
Trump 53

Bing election results (search election 2016)

that % has remained stable from 2% reporting to 24%

Posted by: Grad School Fool at November 08, 2016 09:00 PM (swEzU)

395 I'm older than dirt, and I somehow continue to believe in the Constitution and all that stuff, and then... I am forced to choose between lechery and threachery? I have to go with the lech, but I do so reluctantly.

Posted by: Pat Boggan at November 08, 2016 09:52 PM (OaH5C)

396 To get behind (over?) the WSJ paywall, Google the title and follow THAT link.

Posted by: CrankyYankee at November 08, 2016 11:15 PM (TwYBt)

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