Kurt Schlichter: Can Someone Tell Me Why People Belonging to a Party Which Purports to Stand for Individualism and Skepticism of Government Are Now Reflexively Preaching Faith in Government as the Default Mode of Any Good Citizen?

This election has been brutal, but it has torn a lot of masks off a lot of smug, well-fed faces.

Apparently the Republican Party is now supposed to be the Party of Trusting in Government and Alleged "Experts."

No pearl went unclutched when Trump refused to agree in advance to validate the giant scam that is this election. Yeah, scam. In light of all we've seen during this stupidest of years, a year where I had to move my book about this country tearing itself apart from the fiction section to nonfiction, how the hell can anyone keep a straight face as he, she, or xe demands that we default to trust the system?
Okay, this is where Team Fake Pearl Clutch jumps in and whines about my "dangerous talk" and about how I have no "honor" because I won’t submit in advance to another establishment okie-doke. Yeah, sure, whatever – and the emperor caught pneumonia because the little kid pointed out that he wasn’t wearing any clothes, not because he was walking around with his junk in the wind.
The system is manifestly rigged – even Heap Big Chief Warren used to say so until a memo informed her that this meme is now inconvenient – so spare me your sanctimonious crap about our sacred system. Our loyalty is properly only to the Constitution, not a perversion of it. Just because you hold office under Article I, II, or III doesn’t mean we still owe you respect or deference when you treat your obligations to the People like a teenage Thai boy at one of Raymond Burr's Halloween parties.
We owe the system nothing. Nada. Zip. Instead, the system owes us fairness and honesty, and without them it has no right to our default acceptance of its results. That acceptance must be earned. This means that the system must aggressively police its own integrity, and this year it has utterly failed to do so.

And he's just getting started.

The GOP has always had two conflicting impulses in it, which tend to manifest itself as two different factions.

One impulse is for orderliness, domestic tranquility, and rule-and-law-following which beget what is called "ordered liberty."

This impulse is made manifest in the Establishment types who pee themselves when they think about defiance and things like government shutdowns.

The other impulse is dated to the start of the Republic itself: That citizens are entitled to a responsive and representative government, and that a government's failure to be responsive to the citizenry and represent its interests may justify actual armed insurrection against it.

For more on this, see the Declaration of Independence. A lot of Trumpkin crazies signed it.

This impulse is manifested in the rowdies, the malcontented, the "anti-government agitators," etc.

Now, I think most people have bit of both impulses in them, but obviously, as with any binary impulse, most people lean more towards one side than the other.

The GOP used to attempt to have a balance between these two impulses.

Not any longer. The "official" GOP -- the power centers in office, the power centers not in office (corporations, corporate-funded think tanks and magazines, etc.) -- is now revealed to be almost wholly devoted to the first impulse -- trust and obey the government -- and now derides those more inclined to the second impulse as dangerous "populists" and possible terrorists.

Exactly like the liberals brand them.

It boils down, like many questions, to who serves whom. Is it, as Schlicter says, the government's responsibility to make itself credible, or is it the citizen's duty to pretend the government is credible, even if it's not?

Does the government work for us, or do we work for it?

The same question can be applied to many institutions. The media, for example -- its credibility has cratered.

Now, just because the media is an important institution, are we required to prop it up by yielding to it a reservoir of trust and goodwill it has manifestly not deserved?

I'm glad the Establishment, NeverTrump, Trust-the-"Experts" wing of the party isn't attempting to rehabilitate the media's credibility, at least, and blame its shortcomings on citizens too ill-educated to appreciate what a great job it's doing.

@RadioFreeTom @KremlinTrolls @ersorpasso
If your point is so righteous, then simply answer the question.
Why is media credibility so low?
— Jimmy Diego (@JimmyTheFader) October 23, 2016

Because people don't have the basic skills or care enough to learn about what the media offers them. https://t.co/w4gOdj6MZ9
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) October 23, 2016

Whoops. Spoke too soon.

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1 Who?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 24, 2016 06:48 PM (C9pBZ)

2 Ryanism

Posted by: redenzo at October 24, 2016 06:49 PM (5wSNN)

3 3rdsies

Posted by: Tfox at October 24, 2016 06:50 PM (kENHD)

4 Good article by Schlichter.

it has torn a lot of masks off a lot of smug, well-fed faces.

Why yes. Yes it has!

Posted by: kallisto at October 24, 2016 06:51 PM (nNdYv)

5 They had a plan. It got upset by this rude, crude, obnoxious, fella named Trump.

You could be singing !jebbie! praises right now.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at October 24, 2016 06:51 PM (d76uN)

6 And Mitt Romney is dead to me.

Posted by: kallisto at October 24, 2016 06:51 PM (nNdYv)

7 Not sure why people are surprised that a party *founded* on the primacy of the Federal government is really, really in favor of the Federal government.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 06:52 PM (rznWS)

8 This is news? Those in power tend to want to stay in power, and "order" trends to keep it that way.
Responsive government is the outlier...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 24, 2016 06:52 PM (C9pBZ)

9 Does the government work for us, or do we work for it?

The same question can be applied to many institutions.

What institutions haven't at least partially shit the bed this century?

Posted by: DaveA at October 24, 2016 06:53 PM (8J/Te)

10 Fuck the GOPe in particular.

Posted by: #neverskankles at October 24, 2016 06:53 PM (XeA/K)

11 It's interesting that Nichols made that statement, because I recall certain professors in poli sci waay back when I was a young, naive, coed nattering about how most Americans were terribly uninformed in their voting choices, and needed to be guided along. So that thought has been percolating for a long time, and now has an opportunity to truly spore through social media.

Because, sadly, there ARE people who are not terribly informed about their voting choices. They just tend to be liberals/progressives.

Posted by: Moki at October 24, 2016 06:53 PM (VnCI9)

12 _Posted by: DaveA at October 24, 2016 06:53 PM (8J/Te)_

titty bars?

Posted by: kallisto at October 24, 2016 06:53 PM (nNdYv)

13 The Official GOP is about to go the way of the Official IRA.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 24, 2016 06:54 PM (4ErVI)

14 Game over, man. Game over!

Posted by: Pvt. Hudson at October 24, 2016 06:55 PM (FXW24)

15 The Official GOP is about to go the way of the Official IRA.

Hope so...

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 24, 2016 06:55 PM (O2RFr)

16 National review used to publish articles detailing evidence of election fraud. Now they publish articles on how crazy it is to think elections can be stolen.

Posted by: #neverskankles at October 24, 2016 06:55 PM (XeA/K)

17 Pretty sure the "Party of Lincoln" came out foursquare against the idea that "a government's failure to be responsive to the citizenry and represent
its interests may justify actual armed insurrection against it." There was a literal shooting war over that exact issue, and the Republicans weren't on the side of the rebels.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 06:56 PM (rznWS)

18 Because people don't have the basic skills or care enough to learn about what the media offers them.

Oh really Tom...if this is the case then every weather girl on the news needs to teach me about her tits because that seems to be the primary hiring qualification.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 24, 2016 06:56 PM (0tfLf)

19 It will take a monumental effort to get a real 3rd party off the ground, don't count on the beloved Independent vote to help. They are anything but Independent, can't rock the vote too much, or they lose their special status.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 24, 2016 06:56 PM (6Ll1u)

20 "One impulse is for orderliness, domestic tranquility, and rule-and-law-following which beget what is called "ordered liberty."

This impulse is made manifest in the Establishment types who pee themselves when they think about defiance and things like government shutdowns.

The other impulse is dated to the start of the Republic itself: That citizens are entitled to a responsive and representative government, and that a government's failure to be responsive to the citizenry and represent its interests may justify actual armed insurrection against it."

I used to be in the former camp, when I was a naive lad who believed the "authorities" were well-intentioned people trying to look out for us. As I've gotten older, and especially with the Internet laying bare the corruption and abuse of power by the government and its agents, from the cops to the school board to the highest level of the federal government, I'm solidly in the second camp. Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 06:56 PM (0mRoj)

21 You know, 1 man openly carrying in Washington as a protest against this government would get arrested. But a million openly carrying men would be all sorts of fun.

Posted by: Go ahead, I got your back. at October 24, 2016 06:56 PM (SPvZ0)

22 The goverment hasn't given much reason to trust it much lately

Posted by: Skip at October 24, 2016 06:56 PM (sWbjH)

23 God help us all if this election is stolen from Trump.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 06:57 PM (/SdD1)

24 Who the fuck is this Tom Nichols jagoff? Is he taking the piss?

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 06:57 PM (0mRoj)

25 I watched a portion of This Week w/ George S. and, during panel chat, the Dems spoke of the lessons learned from the Trump campaign, namely, that rural America cannot be forgotten as they have these past 30 years.

Jonah Goldberg spoke up to say that there can be no reconciliation between the GOP, such as himself, and the populists. He said there will be a new party.

Yes. He said just that.

That sounds like one helluva winning strategy there.

He and his ilk couldn't give two shits about the state of this nation, but they damn sure care about having to rub elbows with those icky proles. Anything to avoid what might rub off on them by merely considering the thoughts of those outside the beltway.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 24, 2016 06:57 PM (SEXy3)

26 If only Ted Cruz would have talked nice to us, we wouldn't have this mess.

Posted by: GOPE Senators at October 24, 2016 06:58 PM (27WlQ)

27 I said a few years ago that most European countries offer a choice between "hard socialist" and "soft socialist" parties. Limited government and the free market are not on the menu. I said that I could see the Republican Party becoming America's "soft socialist" party. I am rather surprised by how fast it has happened.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at October 24, 2016 06:58 PM (sdi6R)

28 "It boils down, like many questions, to who serves whom"

Kto, kogo, bitchez!

Posted by: Vladimir Lenin at October 24, 2016 06:58 PM (rznWS)

29 After the release of the O'Keefe videos this past week, and the open admission to vote rigging for the past fifty years at least, every single Republican should be openly saying that every Democrat victory in any election at any level is illegitimate.

If they want to game the system, it needs to be summarily destroyed. Will it harm the country? In the near term, yes, but the current status quo is an absolute dumpster fire that grants power to cheating sociopaths who care nothing for democracy, justice, or election law. Which is worse? I would wager that tearing off the bandage will only be a slight bother and will almost certainly expose even more corruption than has already been admitted to.

Posted by: Matt Foley at October 24, 2016 06:58 PM (vluM2)

30 The economy is about to crater.

Baring some sea change in Washington, what will replace the current system is similar to what you see in say Brazil - a small overwhelmingly powerful and rich elite, a small middle class that serves them, and an ignorant and marginalized majority that continues to empower those that rule them.

The GOPe sees that and wants in on the elite side.

And they are perfectly willing so sell traditional conservative voters down the river to get their places at the corporatist table.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 24, 2016 06:58 PM (aZq03)

31 Ace ... not that you read my posts ...

... but this is the best thing you've ever written.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 06:59 PM (fiGNd)

32 24 God help us all if this election is stolen from Trump.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 06:57 PM (/SdD1)

I think we could be in a mess either way- if he loses, we get Hilz who will be a vindictive harpy. If he wins, I expect riots. So, a few prayers from now until election might just be in order.

How are you and your kids doing?!

Posted by: Moki at October 24, 2016 06:59 PM (VnCI9)

33 n from Trump.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 06:57 PM (/SdD1)

Who would do anything about it? Paul Ryan? The MSM? So called conservative media? They will steal it out in the open knowing fully well nobody will say shit. And anyone who does speak up will be called a paranoid racist by the MSM, GOP, etc.

Posted by: #neverskankles at October 24, 2016 07:00 PM (XeA/K)

34 every Democrat victory in any election at any level is illegitimate.

This is an interesting point.

We know the Democrats are and have been rigging elections for some time. We don't know the exact scale of the rigging, but we know it is there and runs into millions of votes per year.*

If the GOPe was an opposition party, this would be a point of discussion, no?

* Illegals, of which there are 20-40M in the country have been found to vote at a rate of around 10%. Other sources of fraud are harder to estimate.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 24, 2016 07:01 PM (aZq03)

35 Faily McWorseThanCarter I'd suspect he stole that from you Ace but there's no profanity.

Posted by: DaveA at October 24, 2016 07:01 PM (8J/Te)

36 20 It will take a monumental effort to get a real 3rd party off the ground, don't count on the beloved Independent vote to help. They are anything but Independent, can't rock the vote too much, or they lose their special status.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 24, 2016 06:56 PM (6Ll1u)

I'm not a member of either party. Neither represents me. I quit the Republican party after the Thad Cochran affair. Anyway, I think this makes me an independent, and so I disagree with your characterization of the Independent vote. A lot of us are ex-Republicans. Maybe you meant "undecided?"

Posted by: major x4 at October 24, 2016 07:01 PM (SPvZ0)

37 @15: "The Official GOP is about to go the way of the Official IRA."

From out of the ashes rose the Provisionals!

Posted by: The Boys of the Old Brigade at October 24, 2016 07:02 PM (rznWS)

38 GOP can go to hell.

Say hello to Tom Haydan for me.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 24, 2016 07:02 PM (ej1L0)

39
Charles C. W. Cooke*

Are you under the impression that NR exists to parrot the transient folly of pluralities?

*Fop

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 24, 2016 07:02 PM (kdS6q)

40 One impulse is for orderliness, domestic tranquility, and rule-and-law-following which beget what is called "ordered liberty."
***
The current ruling junta has burned that out of me.

I obey the law because of the criminal penalties and raw state power available to enforce it. There is no longer any moral weight to the laws from our government. None.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 24, 2016 07:03 PM (aZq03)

41 "Limited government".

What a concept.

It's amazing how Washington D. C. seems to ruin good people who go there to "serve" us.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 07:03 PM (3myMJ)

42 The other impulse is dated to the start of the Republic itself: That
citizens are entitled to a responsive and representative government, and
that a government's failure to be responsive to the citizenry and
represent its interests may justify actual armed insurrection against
it.
---
I think I'll forgoe the habitual one-upsmanship ace threads have become famous for and simply agree that ace makes a good point here reminding folks of something they often (like to) forget.

Posted by: Methos at October 24, 2016 07:03 PM (3Liv/)

43 That sounds like one helluva winning strategy there.

Come on now, don't be so harsh. They'll be able to muster up at least six or seven electoral votes in a general. They'll just have to change the rules and tally the ECs by county rather than state.

Posted by: kallisto at October 24, 2016 07:03 PM (nNdYv)

44 22 You know, 1 man openly carrying in Washington as a protest against this government would get arrested. But a million openly carrying men would be all sorts of fun.
Posted by: Go ahead, I got your back. at October 24, 2016 06:56 PM (SPvZ0)

Lavoy Finicum seems to be unavailable for comment...

Posted by: Don Q.. at October 24, 2016 07:04 PM (qf6WZ)

45 Posted by: DaveA at October 24, 2016 06:53 PM (8J/Te)_

titty bars?

Posted by: kallisto at October 24, 2016 06:53 PM (nNdYv)

We're coming

Posted by: Mandatory Transgender Titty Bars at October 24, 2016 07:04 PM (3Liv/)

46 @22: "You know, 1 man openly carrying in Washington as a protest against this
government would get arrested. But a million openly carrying men would
be all sorts of fun."

A group tried that several years ago (in a park just across the Potomac, if memory serves). About 2 dozen people showed up. They had been expecting thousands, if not tens of thousands.

I'm sure the elites noted how few were there.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 07:04 PM (rznWS)

47 i blame Bush for a lot of this. He was allowed to govern like a Democrat by conservatives. It wS all about the war on terror and it allowed everything else to slide. And liberal Republicans learned that as long as you talk tough on terrorism the rubes will be happy, even as you bankrupt their children and grand children. And the ironic part is how W did fuck all about terrorism at home.

Posted by: #neverskankles at October 24, 2016 07:04 PM (XeA/K)

48
It's amazing how Washington D. C. seems to ruin good people who go there to "serve" us.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 07:03 PM (3myMJ)

It's rather like the Borg. The peer pressure to assimilate is very strong, especially if you enjoy going to all the right parties, and being seen with all the right people. Because they are all lefties. The Post society page has seen to that. Which also reinforced the theory that the Press is dictating what is right and wrong in government, rather than the people.

Posted by: Moki at October 24, 2016 07:05 PM (VnCI9)

49 It's like the man has always been out to screw us. And by the man I mean the people in power. Our government was designed to foil those people and it would but they don't follow the rules and pay no consequences, for the most part anyway.

Posted by: freaked at October 24, 2016 07:06 PM (BO/km)

50 Vladimir,
Let me get back to you in a couple weeks re: your latest quote for premium hemp rope.

Posted by: Hillary, the great negotiator at October 24, 2016 07:06 PM (27WlQ)

51 We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Posted by: Don Q.. at October 24, 2016 07:06 PM (qf6WZ)

52 @27: "Limited government and the free market are not on the menu."

Can't remember who first said it, but to believe that freedom and liberty are valued by humans is to regard the entirety of human history as a mistake.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 07:06 PM (rznWS)

53 So if I videotape out-of-state buses going from polling place to polling place, or I put up signs in Spanish saying that INS will be looking for Illegals illegally voting, will AG Loretta Lynch have me arrested for voter intimidation?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 24, 2016 07:07 PM (r1fLd)

54 Common Core was a perfect example of the "trust the experts" tendencies of people like Bush who supported common core. Reagan would have relished bashing the arrogance of Fed bureaucrats who thought they could dictate to local schools how to teach children.

Posted by: Your Majesty at October 24, 2016 07:07 PM (x2rNW)

55 The new Colorado care will cost $25 Bn and will be funded by a 10% (!) payroll tax plus "other" levies. The states entire budget is $27 Bn. Help me understand how anyone with a job in Colorado can vote for this or Hillary?

Posted by: Patick Henry at October 24, 2016 07:07 PM (a7IXj)

56 If you want to have an utter rage stroke, go read this.

http://freebeacon.com/columns/crisis-conservative-intellectual/

Savor that final paragraph.

Savor. It.

And, once you are done with the savoring, note this.

That is Bill Kristol's son in law.

The literal sister fucking Hapsburgs are less incestuous than the current Washington DC political media contingent.

Posted by: alexthechick - the taunting always with the taunting at October 24, 2016 07:07 PM (dEQP3)

57 How are you and your kids doing?!
Posted by: Moki at October 24, 2016 06:59 PM (VnCI9

Treading water.

Kids want to spend more time with dad, to call freely, and co-parenting. But the ex has to have her cake and eat it too.

Only spent over 150 grand and counting just to try and attempt to get every other weekend unsupervised. I've never been charged with a crime or accused of any wrong doing. Just based on pure best interests of the mom and the state. Money that would fund college and private school.

So my children and me get 20 hours of happiness every month, for that I'm grateful and thankful.

Thanks for asking and God Bless.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 07:08 PM (/SdD1)

58 We just had an election with an Independent running on the Dem ticket, name one independent that votes with the republicans? We need a true new party, not a bunch of procrastination.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 24, 2016 07:09 PM (6Ll1u)

59 UK and Canada have elections to decide which leftists party will run things for a few years. The campaigns arent about which party will provide more freedom or opportunity. It's about which party will manage the welfare state more efficiently. And by more efficiently o mean which party will steal the least amount.

Posted by: #neverskankles at October 24, 2016 07:09 PM (XeA/K)

60 I have no party any longer. I will vote for Trump on the R ticket, but I will never send those fuckers another dollar. The R party hit my done button when they sent me a dun letter. " We haven't received your donation yet" . I called the finance office and told them that I had never received a dun letter in my life and if they thought I would take this from them they were sadly mistaken and don't ever send me a fund raising letter again.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 24, 2016 07:09 PM (gR5Vc)

61 I think I'll forgoe the habitual one-upsmanship ace threads have become famous for and simply agree that ace makes a good point here reminding folks of something they often (like to) forget.[

Hey ... mind if I put my chip in the pot right next to yours ?

The man said that on his own blog ... for all the world to see. That's plenty good enough for me.

Raising one to you Ace ... well played.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 07:09 PM (fiGNd)

62 @40: "I obey the law because of the criminal penalties and raw state power
available to enforce it."

And now you see.....

"There is no longer any moral weight to the laws
from our government. None."

Yeah, we don't care about that part. Obedience is the only thing.

Posted by: The Government at October 24, 2016 07:09 PM (rznWS)

63 I'll put out my triangle theory of politics again.

American Politics is a triangle with the points labled "stability" (conservatism), "personal freedom" (libertarianism), "equality" (progressivism). Most people run along either the Equality-Personal Freedom axis (Democrats), or the Stability-Personal Freedom axis (Republicans).

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at October 24, 2016 07:10 PM (FYrz1)

64
Yes. He said just that.

That sounds like one helluva winning strategy there.

He and his ilk couldn't give two shits about the state of this nation, but they damn sure care about having to rub elbows with those icky proles. Anything to avoid what might rub off on them by merely considering the thoughts of those outside the beltway.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse

Sad and embarrassing considering Jonah and the NROtherizers were constantly banging on the Big Tent drum in 2008 and 2012.

It's almost as if Kevin 'Auric' Williamson's democidal rage has spread to the Otherizers.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 24, 2016 07:11 PM (EIOkK)

65 25 Who the fuck is this Tom Nichols jagoff? Is he taking the piss?
***
One of the bitter-ender #NeverTrump myrmidons on Twitter. He blocked me and a few others on a Twitter convo some weeks back when he got his knickers twisted about Trump.

Posted by: Azathoth at October 24, 2016 07:11 PM (XN0hD)

66 57-I will continue to keep you and your children in prayer, and for your wife to have a come to Jesus moment. Savor those moments with those babies, and let them know you will always be there for them.

Posted by: Moki at October 24, 2016 07:12 PM (VnCI9)

67 What is all this about my Halloween parties?

Posted by: Raymond Burr at October 24, 2016 07:12 PM (K3F/8)

68 It's amazing how Washington D. C. seems to ruin good people who go there to "serve" us.
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 07:03 PM (3myMJ)

I don't believe they are all that "good." For fun, find out when your local town hall is meeting. Go and sit and watch. I just assumed they would be pretty much normal folk, I live in a fairly small town. A couple were...but for the most part they are just inept.
And its no better the higher you go. County...State...Federal.
The Parties control who you get to vote for.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 24, 2016 07:12 PM (0tfLf)

69 55 The new Colorado care will cost $25 Bn and will be funded by a 10% (!) payroll tax plus "other" levies. The states entire budget is $27 Bn. Help me understand how anyone with a job in Colorado can vote for this or Hillary?
Posted by: Patick Henry
____________

It's for the children, and it will stimulate the economy.

Posted by: Californians Who Wrecked California Then Moved to Colorado at October 24, 2016 07:12 PM (77i7V)

70 Tom Nichols is rabidly anti-Trump and has many devoted Throne sniffers as well

Posted by: Drill Thrawl at October 24, 2016 07:12 PM (f75SB)

71 Posted by: Patick Henry at October 24, 2016 07:07 PM (a7IXj)

I'm on medicare, the MereWife will be on in 4 years.

Her premium went from $288 monthly to $749 last year.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 07:13 PM (3myMJ)

72 Am I reading this right that this fucktwank Nichols whose head looks like the hairy cancerous balls of a Clydesdale horse is suggesting that the media is incapable of being biased and that it is only our ill-informed selves who are incapable of seeing the blessed light of the gospel as peddled by the yeast infested vaginas of hillary supporters and nevertrumpers?

Posted by: Trump Grabs Pussy!!! at October 24, 2016 07:13 PM (6RZuW)

73 It's almost as if Jonah Goldberg and the rest of the NR assholes are liberals who made money selling "conservative" books or something. Nah that can't be.

Posted by: #neverskankles at October 24, 2016 07:13 PM (XeA/K)

74 American Politics is a triangle with the points labled "stability" (conservatism), "personal freedom" (libertarianism), "equality" (progressivism). Most people run along either the Equality-Personal Freedom axis (Democrats), or the Stability-Personal Freedom axis (Republicans).

Used to be, I think.

But no more. Hell - the terms don't even apply.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 07:14 PM (fiGNd)

75 G-d bless you, ace. No one else it seems is doing what you're doing.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 07:14 PM (928Aa)

76 53 So if I videotape out-of-state buses going from polling place to polling place, or I put up signs in Spanish saying that INS will be looking for Illegals illegally voting, will AG Loretta Lynch have me arrested for voter intimidation?

Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Ignoramus at October 24, 2016 07:07 PM (r1fLd)

Just wear your official New Black Panthers T-shirt and a Billy club, and they'll think you're the beer wagon.

Posted by: bergerbilder at October 24, 2016 07:14 PM (27WlQ)

77 Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 24, 2016 07:12 PM (0tfLf)

Yeah, I know, firsthand.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 07:14 PM (3myMJ)

78 I don't believe they are all that "good." For fun, find out when your local town hall is meeting. Go and sit and watch. I just assumed they would be pretty much normal folk, I live in a fairly small town. A couple were...but for the most part they are just inept.
And its no better the higher you go. County...State...Federal.
The Parties control who you get to vote for.
Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 24, 2016 07:12 PM (0tfLf)

Well, our mayor got caught in a sting for selling meth to go visit a gay swinging party. Guess the party!?!?!

Posted by: Moki at October 24, 2016 07:15 PM (VnCI9)

79 The GOPe sees that and wants in on the elite side. "
Nah. It's the uniparty.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 24, 2016 07:15 PM (C9pBZ)

80 Article at LE shows why Donna Brazile's claim of email tampering is bogus and they can be proven to be genuine.

Posted by: Skip at October 24, 2016 07:15 PM (sWbjH)

81
Because people don't have the basic skills or care enough to learn about what the media offers them.

Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) October 23, 2016

I'll Take Hillary Clinton Over Donald Trump

The future of the entire conservative movement is at stake, and a Hillary Clinton victory over Donald Trump might be the only hope of saving it.

By Tom Nichols - February 24, 2016

http://tinyurl.com/h758ay5

"February 24, 2016". Backing Hillary for -- 8 months now.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 24, 2016 07:15 PM (kdS6q)

82 The new Colorado care will cost $25 Bn and will be funded by a 10% (!) payroll tax plus "other" levies. The states entire budget is $27 Bn. Help me understand how anyone with a job in Colorado can vote for this or Hillary?
Posted by: Patick Henry
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It's a fucktarded idea that is so horribly bad even our shit for brains governor Dickenlooper is against it. 1 out of 2 democrats oppose it, although that's probably because they think it doesn't go far ENOUGH.

Posted by: Trump Grabs Pussy!!! at October 24, 2016 07:15 PM (6RZuW)

83 "Illegals, of which there are 20-40M in the country have been found to vote at a rate of around 10%. Other sources of fraud are harder to estimate."

The videos also cover this. They set up a meeting with a guy running an organization that admits to getting non-citizens, mostly illegal immigrants, to vote. He also admits that the practice is illegal and essentially doesn't care.

But there are also the problems of votes of the walking dead as well as multiple voting, especially busing people from one state to the next to rack up the vote tally, rigged vote counting, votes of felons and others not eligible. This is all manifestly made worse by same day registration and any and all forms of distance voting and some early voting procedures.

Of course, these votes go 90+% to one party.

And...we all knew this was going on since at least Kennedy in '60 and the Chicago Democrat cronies getting out the dead vote. Thing is it's all on tape being admitted to. So like I said no Democrat election win anywhere at any level is legitimate and hasn't been for 50 years at least.

Every Republican should be saying this at every opportunity. Scorched earth time.

Posted by: Matt Foley at October 24, 2016 07:16 PM (vluM2)

84 Well, our mayor got caught in a sting for selling meth to go visit a gay swinging party. Guess the party!?!?!

I'll take a shot ... Republican.

We've got a Serial Local Politician in Southern Indiana who seems to have dedicated herself to Same Sex Locker Rooms. Republican.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 07:16 PM (fiGNd)

85 The tree of liberty must be nourished from time to time with the urine of scoundrels (or something like that).

Posted by: bergerbilder at October 24, 2016 07:17 PM (27WlQ)

86 There is a reason it was called "the shot heard round the world".

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 24, 2016 07:17 PM (ej1L0)

87 Is that Tom tweet for real. Holy balls.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 24, 2016 07:17 PM (89T5c)

88 Seriously, rubes. It's not a fine. How many times do we have to tell you?

Posted by: Justice Roberts at October 24, 2016 07:17 PM (x4zgf)

89 Oh oh oh one other thing.

Riddle me this.

If it is so beyond the pale to refuse to accept the per se legitimacy of election results, just why is it that there are statutory provisions for challenging election results?

If that's so damn nigh to treasonous and all.

I mean, shhhhh, don't tell anyone but there are even jurisdictions in which there are mandatory recounts triggered via state law *without anyone even demanding it*.

Those. Monsters. Tearing down the system like that.

Posted by: alexthechick - the taunting always with the taunting at October 24, 2016 07:17 PM (dEQP3)

90
Although the GOP house isn't as bad as we imagine... they still suck.

The Dem house was able to LOSE the Vietnam War in 1975 by cutting funding for S. Vietnam's ammo. That took some balls. Our GOPs in the House don't have the balls to cut any Obamacare funding. Don't tell me shit about that funding being mandatory. Nothing is mandatory if the House doesn't give permission!

Posted by: ArthurK at October 24, 2016 07:17 PM (h53OH)

91 My super lib friend who was a Bernie Bro is all in for Hillary. He realizes she's a nasty corrupt bitch. But it's party first. There is no NeverHillary on the left even though plenty of Dems can't stand her. They see the big picture. And it's why the always win.

Posted by: #neverskankles at October 24, 2016 07:17 PM (XeA/K)

92 But we trust the government to keep baseball clean! It's out National Pastime or some such shit.

This is one of the reasons I gave up on baseball. Every time steroids made major news, the United States Senate felt the need (and evidently had the authority) to intervene. It's as though Major League Baseball became a government department of the executive branch that required regular oversight by Congress.

Screw Major League Baseball, and screw the United States Congress. I don't give a single molecule of shit if the Chicago Cubs haven't won the World Series since Julius Caesar was banging Cleopatra.

And screw John McCain especially. The guy takes an unnatural interest in who's jabbing whom in the ass with a needle.

Posted by: FireHorse at October 24, 2016 07:17 PM (I9twN)

93 >>And he's just getting started.

I was already fully turgid at that point.

Posted by: garrett at October 24, 2016 07:18 PM (jyw33)

94 66 57-I will continue to keep you and your children in prayer, and for your wife to have a come to Jesus moment. Savor those moments with those babies, and let them know you will always be there for them.
Posted by: Moki at October 24, 2016 07:12 PM (VnCI9)

I do. we are blessed because the alienation efforts had the opposite effect. They love their dad

They are the only things that keep me going.

Thanks again and God Bless.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 07:18 PM (/SdD1)

95 According to that twitter feed the only reason anyone disbelieves the media is that Limbaugh has criticized them for 20 years.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 24, 2016 07:19 PM (IqV8l)

96 Schlichter's article is a month's worth of ball-dippin' goodness.

Why can't we be voting for him?

Posted by: TehAdmira at October 24, 2016 07:19 PM (O+RfY)

97 68,
That's the norm. Our Republic was founded in the limiting of government, as they understood that those wishing to be in government were problematic at best...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 24, 2016 07:19 PM (C9pBZ)

98 Why can't we be voting for him?
Posted by: TehAdmira

Probably because the good Col. doesn't want his life put under a magnifying glass, his family harassed, and freedom threatened by the Deep State.

Just a guess.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 24, 2016 07:20 PM (EIOkK)

99
Who the fuck is this Tom Nichols jagoff?
Posted by: Insomniac

Secretary of the Navy in the Mitt Romney administration:

http://tomnichols.net/blog/about-tom/

Missed it by THAT much. Back to the radio booth and shilling pecker pills and evil robot insurance for you, Tom.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 24, 2016 07:21 PM (kdS6q)

100 Obama is back in socal collecting some sweet money, and going on Jimmy Kimmel again because the presidency isn't a reality show.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 24, 2016 07:21 PM (6Ll1u)

101 91,
Yeah, funny that. Dims rant that Republicans fall in line...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at October 24, 2016 07:21 PM (C9pBZ)

102 'Our GOPs in the House don't have the balls to cut any Obamacare funding.'

Yep. My rep says he voted against ocare 60 times. Never tried to do anything else about it though, like CUT OFF THE FUNDING.

Posted by: freaked at October 24, 2016 07:21 PM (BO/km)

103 There is no NeverHillary on the left even though plenty of Dems can't stand her. They see the big picture. And it's why the always win.
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They may not be as vociferous as nevertrumping fuckholes, but they are out there. Breitbart occasionally does a piece on former Berniebots now campaigning for Trump.

Posted by: #NeverHillary - I Love Trish Regan Sexually at October 24, 2016 07:21 PM (6RZuW)

104 In the same way that judges have to avoid the "appearance of impropriety" as much as actual impropriety, right wing figures have to avoid the *appearance* of being something Infowars would post. The radical left has used that play for years. It should be fairly easy categorizing certain things into the "healthy skepticism" bucket and others into the "bat guano crazy" bucket. But for all that people talk about Trump shifting the so-called Overton Window, I see the opposite actually occurring. Progressives are taking his candidacy as a way to re-cast a lot of reasonable skepticism as crazy and beyond the pale. Because Trump gave lip service to a lot of crazy stuff, it makes it easier for them to label all his other views as equally whacko.

I'm sure there's a way to say what he said in the milquetoast lingo of the Trader Joe's bourgeoisie, such that it wouldn't have shocked them, but Trump doesn't know that language. And really if he'd presented the exact same ideas but in the language of the media establishment, he likely wouldn't have caught fire with the people who did vote for him, and the actual ideas he voiced would have been ideologically repulsive to the media/government class anyhow, so it probably wouldn't have helped much.

Posted by: cjw at October 24, 2016 07:22 PM (7SQMF)

105 Those. Monsters. Tearing down the system like that.

Alex ... I fear it's worse.

I think ... maybe ... given all those Federalist Papers and Anti-Federalist Papers and All Those Other Papers Those Old Dudes Wrote Because They Seemed REALLY FUCKING OBSESSED With Making Sure We Knew Exactly What They Meant ...

... that perhaps they wouldn't approve of the Federal even telling the States how to run their own elections even in Federal contests - other than EXACTLY the terms in the Constitution.

Maybe I'm wrong. Might be missing the subtlety of a comma or something.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 07:22 PM (fiGNd)

106 Schlichter's article is a month's worth of ball-dippin' goodness.

Why can't we be voting for him?
Posted by: TehAdmira at October 24, 2016 07:19 PM (O+RfY)

He is so a Moron. He must be.

Who are you lurking as Kurt hmmm?

Posted by: alexthechick - the taunting always with the taunting at October 24, 2016 07:23 PM (dEQP3)

107 Oh really Tom...if this is the case then every weather girl on the news needs to teach me about her tits because that seems to be the primary hiring qualification.
Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 24, 2016 06:56 PM (0tfLf)

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I'm finding myself really conflicted here.

Posted by: Soona at October 24, 2016 07:23 PM (Fmupd)

108 I believe you rock the boat the way the Founders did... and then you create a system that you defend.

I defend a system that's working; I spit on a system that's a mess.

I'm not pro-government or anti-government. I'm anti-crappy government.

I'm a Ward Cleaver conservative. When it's Cleaver world again, then I'll be nice again.

Posted by: RKae at October 24, 2016 07:24 PM (KFnnG)

109 Ace is wearing his sunglasses from They Live with this post writing about the GOP being overtly Trust and Obey.

Living in Boulder during and after 9/11, I've always viewed both parties as Trust and Obey.

Now it is not tinfoil hat conspiracy stuff so better late than never.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 07:25 PM (/SdD1)

110 My congresscritter fought tooth and nail against Ocare.

But votes for these "continuing resolutions".
None of this is legit.

SHUT THE WHOLE FUCKING THING DOWN.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 24, 2016 07:25 PM (89T5c)

111 Maybe I'm wrong. Might be missing the subtlety of a comma or something.
Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 07:22 PM (fiGNd)

TASTE THE PENUMBRA!

In actually important news, Mommy got a new doglet today. Five year old springer spaniel that is adorable in every possible way.

Posted by: alexthechick - the taunting always with the taunting at October 24, 2016 07:25 PM (dEQP3)

112 No one cares when Democrats question the legitimacy of elections because nobody believes anything Democrats say.

Posted by: Socratease at October 24, 2016 07:26 PM (FqHs5)

113 84 Well, our mayor got caught in a sting for selling meth to go visit a gay swinging party. Guess the party!?!?!

I'll take a shot ... Republican.

We've got a Serial Local Politician in Southern Indiana who seems to have dedicated herself to Same Sex Locker Rooms. Republican.
Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 07:16 PM (fiGNd)

Nope. Dem. Big time Dem. Dem who took over as mayor last year, approved a number of massive, high end housing developments to be built over low-income housing, and whose party affiliation was at the very end of the article in the WaPo. He's a buddy of McAuliffe, I believe.

Posted by: Moki at October 24, 2016 07:26 PM (VnCI9)

114 I haven't voted for DT yet. I wonder what it will feel like.

Posted by: freaked at October 24, 2016 07:27 PM (BO/km)

115 I think this is simpler and less theoretical. It goes one of two ways:

1) Trump wins (what I expect). In his recent speeches (which MSM won't cover), he's laid out what he wants to do in detail. Trump can get a lot of this done without Congress. Then he'll be fighting with Ryan and McConnell, mostly over the budget. There's a lot in this program to satisfy Nationalists, fiscal Conservatives, SoCons and little l libertarians. The R party will be redefined by this.

2) Hillary wins.

(A) McConnell can't let a Hillary nominee through that has been litmus-tested to overturn Citizens United (and Heller). It would be a serious separation of powers issue, as well as being bad on the merits.

(B) There'll be a fight over Amnesty. If Ryan supports Amnesty he'll either lose his Chair, or have at least half the R voters leave the Party. If he doesn't support Amnesty, Hillary will try to end-run Congress by Executive Order and get it upheld by a packed SCOTUS. This will create a super-serious separation of powers issue.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 24, 2016 07:28 PM (r1fLd)

116 I defend a system that's working; I spit on a system that's a mess.

Then be careful ... because history is full of governments that work their ass off ... right up until they fall apart.

If the Progressive Way worked - I would be scared. But it don't. So all I'm worried about is when will the wheels fall off.

Sooner hopefully - rather than later. I won't wish that shit on my kids as adults. Hoping to be buried first would be both piss-weak and selfish.

Fuck that.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 07:29 PM (fiGNd)

117 114 I haven't voted for DT yet. I wonder what it will feel like. Posted by: freaked at October 24, 2016 07:27 PM (BO/km)
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I sent in my ballot last week for Trump. It felt like my nonexistent pussy was being grabbed.

Posted by: #NeverHillary - I Love Trish Regan Sexually at October 24, 2016 07:30 PM (6RZuW)

118 >>>Obama is back in socal collecting some sweet money, and going on Jimmy Kimmel again because the presidency isn't a reality show.

Oh well, at least everything he says is shovel-ready.

Posted by: bergerbilder at October 24, 2016 07:31 PM (27WlQ)

119 In the same way that judges have to avoid the "appearance of impropriety" as much as actual impropriety, right wing figures have to avoid the *appearance* of being something Infowars would post.

You rarely win a battle by reflexively ceding territory to an opponent. You will lose most of the time.

You cannot win elections by reflexively ceding rhetoric to the Left. You will lose each and every time you try.

The GOPe has been playing that game terribly since the beginning of the 20th century (yes, the 20th. )

You cannot fight a battle constantly hemming and hawing, conceding language left and right without looking like a losing sack of miserable shit.

Fight, refuse their terms, ram their rules down their throats. Stop ceding the language. Defy them.

Oh, and yes, you can do it with a smile. But you win nothing by constantly having to check yourself and your language -

That's how utterly fucked the GOPe is - their first thoughts on any issue is "Oooh, which group mustn't I offend."

That's how we loose everything. The Left is in the GOPe's heads and the Left is extracting rents.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 24, 2016 07:32 PM (EIOkK)

120 Stories of Flat Earth and Shape Shifters have more credibility and truth than anything the corporate media puts out as facts.

Can't wait for Trump to bust them all up to he'll and back or at least do everything he can to make it happen.

Threats to liberty they are.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 07:32 PM (/SdD1)

121 Every time I open Bing there is another negative click bait picture of Trump. Nothing, not positive, nothing negative about Hillary. There are many people heavily invested in the status quo. Those ignorant cock suckers do go to the best parties on our dime though.

Posted by: ryukyu at October 24, 2016 07:33 PM (5hp5+)

122 As Sarek said to Kirk, "Spare me your Human cr@p"

Its Us versus the DC Uni-party.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2016 07:33 PM (pBudL)

123 He's a buddy of McAuliffe, I believe.

Well Shit Moki ... guess I lose.

Beer on me if we ever get the chance ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 07:33 PM (fiGNd)

124 Watching TWD

I hate this show now

Posted by: @votermom on a wonky tablet at October 24, 2016 07:34 PM (Om16U)

125 Every time I open Bing there is another negative click bait picture of Trump. Nothing, not positive, nothing negative about Hillary. There are many people heavily invested in the status quo. Those ignorant cock suckers do go to the best parties on our dime though.
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They're controlling the flow of information and fucksticks like Nichols can't see how that's a bad thing.

Posted by: #NeverHillary - I Love Trish Regan Sexually at October 24, 2016 07:35 PM (6RZuW)

126 America- Placed in extremely critical condition 11/4/2008

11/6/12 - America slips into a coma

11/8/16 - America dies?

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 24, 2016 07:35 PM (hVdx9)

127 "They control the vertical, they control the horizontal. Welcome to the Outer Limits."

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2016 07:36 PM (pBudL)

128 As Sarek said to Kirk, "Spare me your Human cr@p"

Its Us versus the DC Uni-party.

Posted by: Anna Puma
****

And their Borg drones.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 24, 2016 07:36 PM (hVdx9)

129 Poetry pure poetry. I weep for my country. I pray too but mostly weep. dammit.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 24, 2016 07:37 PM (hMqvx)

130 If this is how the left rolls, I don't see any option other than secession. I do not like living in the same system with people who are determined to cheat in order to subjugate me, and won't back down even when exposed. It's like living in a house with a thief who's continually trying to tie you up and steal from you.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 24, 2016 07:38 PM (mBYZv)

131 I watched the new TWD before work. It was a real stretch to get through it but I want to see how it plays out

Posted by: Skip at October 24, 2016 07:38 PM (sWbjH)

132 Take good care of my baby. Gone.

Posted by: grammie winger at October 24, 2016 07:38 PM (dFi94)

133 They control the vertical, they control the horizontal. Welcome to the Outer Limits."
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2016 07:36 PM (pBudL)

If there were any depth, they'd control that, too.

Posted by: bergerbilder at October 24, 2016 07:38 PM (27WlQ)

134 @108: "I believe you rock the boat the way the Founders did... and then you create a system that you defend."

Of course, that "rocking the boat" consisted in very large part of an armed rebellion and blowing people's heads off - in addition to the debates in Philadelphia. The former part came with very real consequences for all involved. I don't think you'd find many takers for that part of it, at least not these days.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 07:39 PM (rznWS)

135 Voter Mom, watch more Spanish soap operas just so you can claim you self-identify as an oppressed Mexican.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2016 07:39 PM (pBudL)

136
Well Shit Moki ... guess I lose.

Beer on me if we ever get the chance ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 07:33 PM (fiGNd)

Absolutely! We need another NoVA MoMee, since there seem to be a bunch of the Horde in these parts.

Posted by: Moki at October 24, 2016 07:39 PM (VnCI9)

137 131 I watched the new TWD before work. It was a real stretch to get through it but I want to see how it plays out
Posted by: Skip at October 24, 2016 07:38 PM (sWbjH)

It really was brutal. Not just the extremely violent murder of *spolier deleted* but how broken down the others were in the aftermath.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 07:40 PM (0mRoj)

138 Drop secession, the country is to broken up by county and state.

Posted by: Skip at October 24, 2016 07:40 PM (sWbjH)

139

Citizens are revolting

...enjoy the veal

But seriously first day of Voting in Texas. Huge record breaking turn out. Lines a mile and two hours long

Posted by: ThunderB at October 24, 2016 07:40 PM (GFgDq)

140 124 Watching TWD

I hate this show now
Posted by: @votermom on a wonky tablet at October 24, 2016 07:34 PM (Om16U)

I was physically sick all night last night. I watched until I had to throw up, and then I couldn't fall asleep all night. I'm done with them.

Posted by: Moki at October 24, 2016 07:41 PM (VnCI9)

141 132 Take good care of my baby. Gone.

grammie ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 07:41 PM (fiGNd)

142 130 If this is how the left rolls, I don't see any option other than secession. I do not like living in the same system with people who are determined to cheat in order to subjugate me, and won't back down even when exposed. It's like living in a house with a thief who's continually trying to tie you up and steal from you.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 24, 2016 07:38 PM (mBYZv)

And who browbeats you for greed/racism/sexism if you try to resist.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 07:41 PM (0mRoj)

143 Grammie. What baby? Where are you going?

Posted by: ThunderB at October 24, 2016 07:42 PM (GFgDq)

144 132 Take good care of my baby. Gone.

grammie ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 07:41 PM (fiGNd)
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Bobby Vee has died, per sidebar

Posted by: grammie winger at October 24, 2016 07:42 PM (dFi94)

145 Saw the USA Today Scrunt earlier on SR talking about these heavily edited videos. No one ever seems to ask how editing would make their statements better. We're colluding with the Clinton campaign. Yes, we do abortions in a way that preserves the organs that are n the most demand.

Oh, he said these things happened on a Monday and it was really a Thursday. Heavily edited!!!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 24, 2016 07:42 PM (kTF2Z)

146 Term limits, thanks for bringing it up Trump.

I'll take hard term limits too, one and done.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 24, 2016 07:42 PM (BS8yt)

147 Brother Kurt has been taking notes from the scribe ace.

Posted by: Golfman at October 24, 2016 07:42 PM (48QDY)

148 @115

What do you think about the possibility that Ryan trying to push an amnesty compromise would trigger the GOP formally splitting?

A lot of representatives could never get away with continuing to defend the GOP if that happened. I dunno about Ryan's goals, but I'm fairly sure McConnell would have a meltdown if the party split on his watch, he doesn't have the option to go Arlen Specter's route because he can't plausibly flip and would have no power as a turncoat, so he'd be left leading some rump party the equivalent of the UK's LibDems. If it was clear that amnesty would actually break the party, I think their own self-interest would prevent them from going there. They could try to play some roll call games, giving certain reps "permission" to break ranks, but I think that farce is played out.

Posted by: cjw at October 24, 2016 07:43 PM (7SQMF)

149 I obey the law because of the criminal penalties and raw state power
available to enforce it. There is no longer any moral weight to the laws
from our government. None.

^^^^^^^^^^

This.

From a former Marine, Army brat, wife of retired AF, other military relatives.

Posted by: Empire1 at October 24, 2016 07:43 PM (JElIs)

150 One thing I thought after maybe 4 or 5 years of zombie slaying blood, guts and brains spewed all over can't be much of a shock anymore.

Posted by: Skip at October 24, 2016 07:43 PM (sWbjH)

151 What baby? Where are you going?

Posted by: ThunderB at October 24, 2016 07:42 PM (GFgDq)
===========================================

Rock N Roll Heaven has a new angel. Bobby Vee, singer of "Take Good Care of My Baby".

Totally non-politics. Totally sweet memories.

Posted by: grammie winger at October 24, 2016 07:43 PM (dFi94)

152 135 Voter Mom, watch more Spanish soap operas just so you can claim you self-identify as an oppressed Mexican.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2016 07:39 PM (pBudL)

Si claro, mi amiga bonita.

Posted by: @votermom on a wonky tablet at October 24, 2016 07:43 PM (Om16U)

153 Bobby Vee has died, per sidebar

Well Shit ...

*sits on white couch, muddy boots, beer in hand, refuses coaster*

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 07:44 PM (fiGNd)

154 Rick and gang deserved everything they got.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 24, 2016 07:44 PM (BS8yt)

155 It really was brutal. Not just the extremely violent murder of *spolier deleted* but how broken down the others were in the aftermath.
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I'm still a season behind. Based on what you saw you think I should quit while I'm ahead?

Posted by: #NeverHillary - I Love Trish Regan Sexually at October 24, 2016 07:44 PM (6RZuW)

156 Term limits, thanks for bringing it up Trump.

I'll take hard term limits too, one and done.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 24, 2016 07:42 PM (BS8yt)
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Guess who has to pass term limit legislation?

Posted by: grammie winger at October 24, 2016 07:45 PM (dFi94)

157 Further to me @115.

If Trump wins, the R party gets redefined somewhat but mostly carries on. There can be a place for the likes of Ryan if he plays along. Shithead pundits like Kristol, not so much.

If Hillary wins it's a disaster for the R party. It'll split and be weakened. There's no way the party can keep Trumpsters/Tea Partiers in the tent.

Am I wrong?

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 24, 2016 07:45 PM (r1fLd)

158 @124: "Watching TWD

I hate this show now"

Can we start calling Glenn "Big League Chu"?

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 07:45 PM (rznWS)

159 47% of the people in this country are f**cking insane. 10% want free shit, until later they figure out that they have to pay for it when they get older so the younger freeloaders can get by. The rest of us own lots of guns. Bring it on. I do not have a good feeling about what is gonna happen in 15 days, but I am hoping to be surprised.

Posted by: Izapole at October 24, 2016 07:45 PM (rpAqR)

160 Watching TWD

I hate this show now
Posted by: @votermom on a wonky tablet at October 24, 2016 07:34 PM (Om16U)

I stopped watching in season 2 when they were all angsting about how they were going to get water WHILE STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF ABANDONED VEHICLES IN WHICH THERE WAS A BOTTLED TRUCK.

Ahem.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out. at October 24, 2016 07:46 PM (dEQP3)

161 *waves on out*

Got to go tinker with another hobby whilst I try to pronounce words such as grau, brun-violet, unt lichtblau.

Tschuss

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2016 07:46 PM (pBudL)

162 155 It really was brutal. Not just the extremely violent murder of *spolier deleted* but how broken down the others were in the aftermath.
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I'm still a season behind. Based on what you saw you think I should quit while I'm ahead?
Posted by: #NeverHillary - I Love Trish Regan Sexually at October 24, 2016 07:44 PM (6RZuW)

I can't really make that judgment for you. Depends on how much you like the show and how invested you are in seeing where the story goes.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 07:46 PM (0mRoj)

163 He is so a Moron. He must be.

Who are you lurking as Kurt hmmm?
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not sure if he lurks here, but i served with the man, and we occasionally see him socially.

IMHO, he's a moron in spirit, if not fact.

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 24, 2016 07:46 PM (i/VQi)

164 @125: "They're controlling the flow of information and fucksticks like Nichols can't see how that's a bad thing."

If you're one of the controllers, it's a great thing. It's only bad if you're one of the controllees.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 07:46 PM (rznWS)

165 Water. Bottled water.

Thank you, Bander for pointing that out.

I am so thankful. That's what I am. Thankful.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out. at October 24, 2016 07:46 PM (dEQP3)

166 150 One thing I thought after maybe 4 or 5 years of zombie slaying blood, guts and brains spewed all over can't be much of a shock anymore.
Posted by: Skip at October 24, 2016 07:43 PM (sWbjH)

It's different when it's your people.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 07:47 PM (0mRoj)

167 11/8/16 - America dies?
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 24, 2016 07:35 PM (hVdx9)

Not a chance. There's a LOT more suffering to come first. Which also means there's time to improve things.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 07:47 PM (3myMJ)

168 *serves AlextheChick a strawberry HateShake before departing*

I stopped before that because they kept doing the same stupid things over and over again.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 24, 2016 07:47 PM (pBudL)

169 TWD feels like being in a Nazi concentration camp aaaaggghhhh

Posted by: @votermom on a wonky tablet at October 24, 2016 07:47 PM (Om16U)

170 Never mind all this! Who is Mr Fix-it? The suspense is gripping (I keed, I keed).

Posted by: IC at October 24, 2016 07:48 PM (gcme+)

171 154 Rick and gang deserved everything they got.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 24, 2016 07:44 PM (BS8yt)

Their galactically stupid strategic and tactical decisions are what got them there. I'm not sure what the writers are thinking, other than to drive the story in a particular direction.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 07:48 PM (0mRoj)

172 I dropped out of TWD after the second or third season, but I wonder if I should get back in. (No way I'm going to binge whatever I've missed).

Michonne is still a thing, isn't she?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 24, 2016 07:49 PM (mgbwf)

173 USA Today is reporting that Hillary was one of the original authors of the original Port Huron Statement.

Not the compromised second draft attributed to Tom Hayden and friends.

The Dude could not be reached for comment.

Rubber ball, I come bouncing back to you, Rubber ball...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 24, 2016 07:49 PM (ej1L0)

174 The problem is, the "conservative" Establishment version of ordered liberty isn't really liberty. Moreover, the Establishment relies on the political scene being ordered only in the sense that its political base of white yeomanry is content to stay in its place. However, the "consevative" Establishment's self-serving accommodations to Cultural Marxism sure as heck don't promote rule of law and social order, which is what ordered liberty was originally suppose to be about.

Posted by: PGlenn at October 24, 2016 07:49 PM (FNGEL)

175 I like Tillikum's pithy summary. Compressed, stylized, and simplified, to be sure - but that's the way one conveys a truth some times.

Thing is, even if the dumb sociopathic criminal is defeated next month, the "coma" and all the attendant maladies are hardly taken care of.

But in a dark naughty way, the agony and histrionics of the cretinous "elites" will be some comfort, short term.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 24, 2016 07:50 PM (QDnY+)

176 137 131 I watched the new TWD before work. It was a real stretch to get through it but I want to see how it plays out
Posted by: Skip at October 24, 2016 07:38 PM (sWbjH)

It really was brutal. Not just the extremely violent murder of *spolier deleted* but how broken down the others were in the aftermath.
Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 07:40 PM (0mRoj)

To be fair, It had to be brutal. for all the characters involved or the show would dead.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 07:50 PM (/SdD1)

177 "Guess who has to pass term limit legislation?"

It's a negotiation point. Proposing it is a lever.

If you get the lobbying bans it's a win.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 24, 2016 07:50 PM (r1fLd)

178 @160: "I stopped watching in season 2 when they were all angsting about how
they were going to get water WHILE STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF ABANDONED
VEHICLES IN WHICH THERE WAS A BOTTLED TRUCK."

How about Season One, where they were having trouble finding guns. IN RURAL GEORGIA.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 07:51 PM (rznWS)

179 How about Season One, where they were having trouble finding guns. IN RURAL GEORGIA.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 07:51 PM (rznWS)

Law enforcement confiscated them all for the people's safety.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 07:51 PM (0mRoj)

180 They favor orderliness except when the one being attacked is Trump. Then they declare him responsible for violence at his rallies.

Posted by: MikeN at October 24, 2016 07:52 PM (o/eHL)

181 My Spanish show El Internado is much more pleasant

Posted by: @votermom on a wonky tablet at October 24, 2016 07:52 PM (Om16U)

182 How about Season One, where they were having trouble finding guns. IN RURAL GEORGIA.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 07:51 PM (rznWS)

OMFG DO NOT GET ME STARTED!

But where will we ever find guns IN RURAL GEORGIA! WHERE NO ONE HAS EVER HAD A GUN EVER IN THE HISTORY OF EVER GUYS YOU GUUUUUYYYSSSS.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out. at October 24, 2016 07:52 PM (dEQP3)

183 Conversation with my work BFF today:

Me: Fuck them all. Fuck the Democrats, fuck the Republicans. I'm voting for Trump because we at least have a chance with him. But, fuck the rest of those assholes.

BFF: I thought you were Republican?

Me: I am registered Republican. In reality, none of these parties represents who I actually am.

BFF: *sigh* I feel the same way.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her Deplorable 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at October 24, 2016 07:52 PM (+eR2D)

184 Oh, no. Steven DenBeste died.

http://brickmuppet.mee.nu/steven_denbeste_1952-2016

I used to absolutely love his blog, before he gave it up and started writing about anime.

Posted by: Splunge at October 24, 2016 07:52 PM (iMxBJ)

185 180 They favor orderliness except when the one being attacked is Trump. Then they declare him responsible for violence at his rallies.
Posted by: MikeN at October 24, 2016 07:52 PM (o/eHL)

Never mind that Democrat operatives are on camera admitting that they organized and orchestrated it.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 07:53 PM (0mRoj)

186 My problem with Schlichter is that he was virulently neverTrump. He still may be for all I know, but I quit following him early after Trump gained the nomination because of his highhanded neverTrumpism.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at October 24, 2016 07:54 PM (4ng05)

187 @167: "Not a chance. There's a LOT more suffering to come first. Which also means there's time to improve things."

It took the Titanic hours to sink. The situation, however, could not be improved - it was going to sink no matter what.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 07:54 PM (rznWS)

188 I stopped before that because they kept doing the same stupid things over and over again.

Here's an idea ... demo the stairs to the second floor and just raise a ladder up and down.

Also crazy ... move slowly in a firing line. Ends look sideways. A couple behind looking backward.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 07:54 PM (fiGNd)

189 MUST SEE

HRC as Jabba the Hutt photoshop at I m g u r

http://i mgur.com/gallery/mwCR6Ay (remove space between i and m)

Posted by: Crouching Kitten, Hidden Furball at October 24, 2016 07:54 PM (cJ+9T)

190 Guess who has to pass term limit legislation?
Posted by: grammie winger at October 24, 2016 07:45 PM (dFi94)

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It'll require a constitutional amendment.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 24, 2016 07:54 PM (BS8yt)

191 But where will we ever find guns IN RURAL GEORGIA! WHERE NO ONE HAS EVER HAD A GUN EVER IN THE HISTORY OF EVER GUYS YOU GUUUUUYYYSSSS.

They could just be all George Romero and say "we're trapped in a mall by the zombies, but luckily the mall has a gun store, like all 70s Pennsylvania malls".

Also, IIRC, in season one they did have a daring "let's get to the gun store" scenario.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 24, 2016 07:54 PM (mgbwf)

192 Wow, Steven DenBeste died. Brings back memories of the late '90s- early '00s when blogging was in its infancy and many of us used to blog several times daily.
http://brickmuppet.mee.nu/steven_denbeste_1952-2016

Posted by: docweasel at October 24, 2016 07:54 PM (NOqcx)

193 A very good singer I know (not well) will sing the anthem for Monday Night Football. Talked to a drummer friend who knows her better and asked him if he thought she might kneel. He said, "God I hope not."

I asked him if she''' sing it 'straight' and he said, "At first, but watch out near the end."

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 07:55 PM (3myMJ)

194 My favorite bit of community college first-assignment screenwriting error on TWD was when the guy who said he had a "cure" and needed to get to DC was believed - by, literally, the only 10 living people on Earth who knew the whole story of the disease (thanks to their little visit to the CDC before its self-destruction). That was funny it was sooo ridiculously bad.

But in the last season or whatever one almost felt sorry for the writers as they cranked out scripts that were increasingly implausible parodies of cheap horror flicks (hot girl being chased by masked psycho killer trips on obvious tree root while running away - that's how bad it's been).

Oh - but the B movie horror stuff was interwoven masterfully with even more implausible soap opera piffle. Good actors, really quite good, ditto the technical side, but hilariously bad writing and imaginations.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 24, 2016 07:55 PM (QDnY+)

195 If you want to have an utter rage stroke, go read this.

http://freebeacon.com/columns/crisis-conservative-intellectual/

Savor that final paragraph.

Savor. It.

And, once you are done with the savoring, note this.

That is Bill Kristol's son in law.

The literal sister fucking Hapsburgs are less incestuous than the current Washington DC political media contingent.

Posted by: alexthechick - the taunting always with the taunting at October 24, 2016 07:07 PM (dEQP3) ***

From the Panama Canal to the Tea Party, from Phyllis Schlafly to Sarah Palin, the conservative intellectual has viewed the New Right as a sometimes annoying but ultimately worthy friend

That's not the last paragraph. Arrogant, pompous pricks.

Posted by: gNewt at October 24, 2016 07:55 PM (KtxUt)

196 @171: "Their galactically stupid strategic and tactical decisions are what got
them there. I'm not sure what the writers are thinking, other than to
drive the story in a particular direction."

All horror movies/books/shows rely on having the protagonists make not only bad decisions, but often the absolute worst possible decisions.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 07:55 PM (rznWS)

197 We need biometric id.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 24, 2016 07:56 PM (mBYZv)

198 @172: "Michonne is still a thing, isn't she?"

A thing? She's a human being, you racist! Black lives matter!

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 07:56 PM (rznWS)

199 "All horror movies/books/shows rely on having the protagonists make not only bad decisions, but often the absolute worst possible decisions."

Let's jump into that running car.

No let's hide behind all those chain saws in the garage.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 24, 2016 07:57 PM (r1fLd)

200 Bought stock in a pitchfork business today. Great post.

Posted by: endisnigh at October 24, 2016 07:57 PM (+ACY2)

201 196 @171: "Their galactically stupid strategic and tactical decisions are what got
them there. I'm not sure what the writers are thinking, other than to
drive the story in a particular direction."

All horror movies/books/shows rely on having the protagonists make not only bad decisions, but often the absolute worst possible decisions.
Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 07:55 PM (rznWS)

True. "Let's split up!" "I'll head to the basement alone!" "I'll be right back!"

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 07:57 PM (0mRoj)

202 I was actually kinda rooting for Negan. He makes a lot of sense.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 24, 2016 07:57 PM (BS8yt)

203 These goons pay people to start fights with us, lie to smear and defame us and steal our votes and I haven't heard a single republican condemn them for it. The only person screaming about this and the massive amount of corruption is Trump.

And if we had any real journalists left, they'd be asking each and every democrat if they condemn this behavior. Hell, they should be asked to disavow Clinton's entire campaign. This stuff is much worse than anything Trump's been accused of or has actually said.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at October 24, 2016 07:57 PM (GzDYP)

204 I find people who watch a show and do nothing but bitch about it annoying. At least Alexthechick stopped watching it.

BTW, a truck of bottled water is short term value. They were looking to make sure the wells were good and secure because they were planning to stay there for a long time. You know all that whining about them doing stupid stuff on the show? Having a secure long term source of drinking water wasn't one of them.

Posted by: buzzion at October 24, 2016 07:57 PM (z/Ubi)

205 That's not the last paragraph. Arrogant, pompous pricks.
Posted by: gNewt at October 24, 2016 07:55 PM (KtxUt)

The last paragraph literally made me scream out loud THAT'S NOT CONSERVATISM YOU PATHETIC CUNTLING TWAT!

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out. at October 24, 2016 07:58 PM (dEQP3)

206 I can't wait for Fear the Walking Dead and The Walking Dead to merge because anybody who has read the comics can place a safe bet that Kim Sickens will play Alpha of the Whisperers in dead skin suits.

That group will have an interesting back story if AMC does not Fuck it up.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 07:58 PM (/SdD1)

207 I've read that article by Art Schlichter twice today and both times it has made my dick harder than Chinese arithmetic.

Posted by: F.N.G. at October 24, 2016 07:59 PM (kiSdp)

208 How does this shit end ?
Breakup with civil war ?
Velvet breakup ?
landless peasants huddled around the lords castle ?

Posted by: awkward davies at October 24, 2016 07:59 PM (x4GUz)

209 Just fed husband some delicious fish and veggies.

He's ensconced in his favorite chair, and needs help getting his shower later.

Yes, since last Wednesday, I'm kinda tired.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 07:59 PM (928Aa)

210 Also, IIRC, in season one they did have a daring "let's get to the gun store" scenario.

Honestly ...

... who among us already has more guns and ammo than they can carry ? Including their favorite gun and all the ammo for it ?

*raises hand*

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 07:59 PM (fiGNd)

211 202 I was actually kinda rooting for Negan. He makes a lot of sense.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 24, 2016 07:57 PM (BS8yt)

I dunno, he's definitely a Democrat. Give me half your shit or I'll smash your head in is totally a Democrat play.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 07:59 PM (0mRoj)

212 Tom Wilson is an ass.

When I visited Twitter more regularly, the NeverTrumpers I followed retweeted him often. Every tweet was filled with disdain and contempt for those who didn't kiss up to the GOP Establishment Betters.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at October 24, 2016 08:00 PM (rJUlF)

213 @179: "Law enforcement confiscated them all for the people's safety."

The government confiscates cocaine and heroin for people's safety, too - yet both are VERY easy to find. And again, RURAL GEORGIA. Would never have happened. They also went past military positions with guns *still mounted*, and dead soldiers with guns on them.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 08:00 PM (rznWS)

214 Tom Nichols. NICHOLS.

Guess I was confusing him with Rick Wilson. Not much of a difference, IMO.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at October 24, 2016 08:00 PM (rJUlF)

215
The last paragraph literally made me scream out loud THAT'S NOT CONSERVATISM YOU PATHETIC CUNTLING TWAT!

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out. at October 24, 2016 07:58 PM (dEQP3)

Come sit next to me and we'll scream that together. While doing shots of something delicious.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:00 PM (928Aa)

216
I was actually kinda rooting for Negan. He makes a lot of sense.

I'm goin' to chocolate city. Chocolate city here I come.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 24, 2016 08:00 PM (IqV8l)

217 TWD did not need to "break down" the spirit of its characters. Watching the Glenn highlights from early seasons reminds you how far away the show's gotten, there used to be some levity. Now every character is so damned serious all the time, and all the actors talk like they're in a cult (except the new guy.) It's getting to the point where its too bleak and nihilist to be entertaining, and nobody is telling these story writers and actors that they've gone off the deep end.

TWD needs action and adventure and some overarching goal for the characters, like there should be some way to kill all the zombies but its in a lab in Seattle and they have to make it across the country and then when they arrive they solve the problem and the show can be OVER. That's how a story works. Right now the show isn't offering viewers anything, except for occasionally an interesting villian who's fun to watch but in the end is also pointless.

Posted by: cjw at October 24, 2016 08:01 PM (7SQMF)

218 OT: I'm a might agey to be traipsing around on the roof to winterize the cooler so I answered an ad and hired a guy to do it. He talked funny and had an Amish-style beard without a 'stache. I asked him about his accent and he told me his first language was German. I asked if he were born in Germany and he said he wasn't. His family has been here (in Illinois) for 200 years but have maintained German as their language at home. The ability to maintain the German language plus his funky beard made me suspect he comes from a fringe religion family. I didn't ask him, though, for fear of sounding as if I were asking what kind of a nut he is. Seems to have done a good job.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at October 24, 2016 08:01 PM (Nwg0u)

219 Steven den Beste passed away.

He and his site, USS Clueless were brilliant and taught me a lot about logic and actual thinking.

http://brickmuppet.mee.nu/steven_denbeste_1952-2016

Posted by: rd at October 24, 2016 08:01 PM (Rtl0g)

220 I spent the entire day frustrated and angry at work. So much that the mixer that I follow on the floor said to me, "you need to go home and have a drink."

So, I'm having two drinks. I told him not to encourage me.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her Deplorable 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at October 24, 2016 08:01 PM (+eR2D)

221 Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 08:00 PM (rznWS)

I know. I was joking about the idiotic responses of authorities to disaster, like Katrina.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 08:01 PM (0mRoj)

222 My problem with Schlichter is that he was virulently neverTrump. He
still may be for all I know, but I quit following him early after Trump
gained the nomination because of his highhanded neverTrumpism.
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he's evolved on that subject, last time i looked.

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 24, 2016 08:02 PM (i/VQi)

223 215
The last paragraph literally made me scream out loud THAT'S NOT CONSERVATISM YOU PATHETIC CUNTLING TWAT!

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out. at October 24, 2016 07:58 PM (dEQP3)

Come sit next to me and we'll scream that together. While doing shots of something delicious.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:00 PM (928Aa)

This arouses me.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 08:02 PM (0mRoj)

224 My husband has given up pain meds for his horrible hand for Jim Beam.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:02 PM (928Aa)

225 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at October 24, 2016 08:01 PM (Nwg0u)
==========================================

Amish or Mennonite maybe.

Posted by: grammie winger at October 24, 2016 08:03 PM (dFi94)

226 217 TWD did not need to "break down" the spirit of its characters. Watching the Glenn highlights from early seasons reminds you how far away the show's gotten, there used to be some levity. Now every character is so damned serious all the time, and all the actors talk like they're in a cult (except the new guy.) It's getting to the point where its too bleak and nihilist to be entertaining, and nobody is telling these story writers and actors that they've gone off the deep end.

TWD needs action and adventure and some overarching goal for the characters, like there should be some way to kill all the zombies but its in a lab in Seattle and they have to make it across the country and then when they arrive they solve the problem and the show can be OVER. That's how a story works. Right now the show isn't offering viewers anything, except for occasionally an interesting villian who's fun to watch but in the end is also pointless.
Posted by: cjw at October 24, 2016 08:01 PM (7SQMF)

See the Midseason premiere from last season. The introduction of Jesus was pretty light and fun. So that is still there.

Posted by: buzzion at October 24, 2016 08:03 PM (z/Ubi)

227 Maybe we can import the Pirate Party from Iceland?

btw, Ace, you should do a post on the Pirate Party's likely victory in the Icelandic elections, solely because their party flag looks exactly like you blog logo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ iceland-a-land-of-vikings-braces-for-a-pirate-party-takeover/2016/10/23/ f1bfe992-9540-11e6-9cae-2a3574e296a6_story.html

If you're hesitant because you don't what you "take" on the Pirate party should be, then I offer some guidance:

They are basically anarchists, but more old-school/honest anarchist who reject communism (unlike the fake-ass "anarchists" in the US who mostly are shills for the socialists). The Pirate Party is basically the Icelandic version of the Brexit voters in England or the Tea Party in the US -- anti-establishment "mad-as-hell" types, but with Goth makeup.

overall, I see their ascendency as a very good thing, because it reaffirms the "throw the bums out" mood sweeping the globe.

Posted by: zombie at October 24, 2016 08:03 PM (jBuUi)

228 This arouses me.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 08:02 PM (0mRoj)

With AtC's permission, we'll let you watch.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:03 PM (928Aa)

229
Savor that final paragraph.
Posted by: alexthechick

We might have to reject adversarianism, to accept the welfare state as an objective fact, to rehabilitate Burnham;s vision of a conservative-tinged Establishment capable of permeating the managerial society and gradually directing it in a prudential, reflective, virtuous manner respectful of both freedom and tradition.

This is the challenge of the moment. This is the crisis of the conservative intellectual.

Matthew Continetti, Editor in Chief of the Washington Free Beacon

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 24, 2016 08:03 PM (kdS6q)

230 Tom Wilson was a record producer for Columbia back in the early 60s. He produced three of Bob Dylan's early albums.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at October 24, 2016 08:03 PM (sdi6R)

231 See the Midseason premiere from last season. The introduction of Jesus was pretty light and fun. So that is still there.
Posted by: buzzion at October 24, 2016 08:03 PM (z/Ubi)

Nobody fucks with the Jesus.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 08:04 PM (0mRoj)

232 (Good Morning America) Diminished enthusiasm and a high level of negative support are undermining Donald Trump's candidacy in the closing stretch of the 2016 campaign, the ABC News election tracking poll finds, while Hillary Clinton has improved on both these measures.

Ah ABC, the network that skews polls so much the North Koreans called them biased

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 24, 2016 08:04 PM (auHtY)

233 #lügenpresse

Posted by: @PeeteySDee at October 24, 2016 08:05 PM (4F5k0)

234 @206: "Kim Sickens"

She's not that homely. She's no Helen of Troy, true, but she's not coyote-ugly, either.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 08:05 PM (rznWS)

235 205 The last paragraph literally made me scream out loud THAT'S NOT CONSERVATISM YOU PATHETIC CUNTLING TWAT!
Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out. at October 24, 2016 07:58 PM (dEQP3)

I wasn't quite sure what to make of the last paragraph. It sounded to me as though he was advocating that American conservatives should settle into a powerless, just right of left position, like the Tories and Britain. Because that's a thing that a sentient human would argue is good somehow? And is oh so much better then ever voting for that ghastly Trump, or listening to those awful rural people? Is that the idea?

Bunch of pinky-out drawing-room tea sippers.

Posted by: Splunge at October 24, 2016 08:06 PM (iMxBJ)

236 I'm of the belief that you have to read The Walking Dead comics or you will think the show sucks.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 08:06 PM (/SdD1)

237 With AtC's permission, we'll let you watch.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:03 PM (928Aa)

*pops popcorn, gets another drink*

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her Deplorable 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at October 24, 2016 08:06 PM (+eR2D)

238 Come sit next to me and we'll scream that together. While doing shots of something delicious.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:00 PM (928Aa)

*settles in next to Jane*

No. Seriously. That last paragraph sums up everything that is wrong with the significant portions of the current conservative "intelligentsia". Oh oh oh we must just accept the welfare state and work on making sure that the right kinds of people are in control of running things.

Suck my girldick, taint sniffer.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out. at October 24, 2016 08:07 PM (dEQP3)

239 I was catching up on "Poldark" last night, and then the "Hamilton" crap showed up on PBS with, of course, Obama spewing his mind thoughts about it.

Who will free us from this SCOAMF??

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:07 PM (928Aa)

240 Tom Wilson was a record producer for Columbia back in the early 60s. He produced three of Bob Dylan's early albums.
Posted by: rickl the deplorable at October 24, 2016 08:03 PM (sdi6R)

Yeah, I goofed. "Nichols" somehow turned into "Wilson" on the keyboard.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at October 24, 2016 08:07 PM (rJUlF)

241 That crack about the teenage Thai boy at one of Raymond Burr's Halloween parties is hilarious and honestly deserves an historical unpacking at length.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 24, 2016 08:07 PM (RBipX)

242 219 Steven den Beste passed away.

He and his site, USS Clueless were brilliant and taught me a lot about logic and actual thinking.

http://brickmuppet.mee.nu/steven_denbeste_1952-2016
Posted by: rd at October 24, 2016 08:01 PM (Rtl0g)

Yes, USS Clueless was a must-read in the early days of the blogosphere right after 9/11. RIP.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at October 24, 2016 08:07 PM (sdi6R)

243 These goons pay people to start fights with us, lie to smear and defame us and steal our votes and I haven't heard a single republican condemn them for it. The only person screaming about this and the massive amount of corruption is Trump.

And if we had any real journalists left, they'd be asking each and every democrat if they condemn this behavior. Hell, they should be asked to disavow Clinton's entire campaign. This stuff is much worse than anything Trump's been accused of or has actually said.
Posted by: OldDominionMom at October 24, 2016 07:57 PM (GzDYP)

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Ryan, McConnell. Hell where's Jindal even.

Maybe the press is not covering their outrage.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 24, 2016 08:07 PM (BS8yt)

244
Also:

Matthew Continetti, while at Columbia he did a summer internship at the National Review, where he worked as a research assistant for Rich Lowry.

"Oh dear. The air-conditioning doesn't seem to be working. Matthew, what say we take off our shirts and work bare-chested today?"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 24, 2016 08:07 PM (kdS6q)

245 https://tinyurl.com/hm7eo25

can' tremember who it was that asked me for email that showed Podesta asking how bad is Killary's Head

Posted by: Evilpens at October 24, 2016 08:07 PM (y3aQB)

246 Oh they're probably just trapped on TWD. Hard to keep it interesting when everything becomes a slight, or increasingly implausible or uninteresting, variation on the same themes.

Breaking Bad ran its course and the creators recognized that. Even their second chapter, a pre-quel spinoff, shows good strategic awareness that they had exhausted the original story line. Plus they're simply much better writers and creative sorts, though the two shows had/have different straight-jackets based on basic frameworks and premises.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 24, 2016 08:08 PM (QDnY+)

247 241 That crack about the teenage Thai boy at one of Raymond Burr's Halloween parties is hilarious and honestly deserves an historical unpacking at length.
Posted by: Sharkman at October 24, 2016 08:07 PM (RBipX)

Finding out Burr was guy was slightly surprising. I say "slightly" because the surprise lasted three seconds before I thought, "Hollywood, everybody!"

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at October 24, 2016 08:08 PM (rJUlF)

248 @227: "overall, I see their ascendency as a very good thing, because it reaffirms the "throw the bums out" mood sweeping the globe."

Just wait until DeutscheBank eats it - that mood is gonna expand real fast.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 08:08 PM (rznWS)

249 I was catching up on "Poldark" last night, and then the "Hamilton" crap showed up on PBS with, of course, Obama spewing his mind thoughts about it.

Who will free us from this SCOAMF??

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:07 PM (928Aa)

If he was spewing his thoughts it must have been a pretty empty conversation

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 24, 2016 08:08 PM (auHtY)

250 Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out. at October 24, 2016 08:07 PM (dEQP3)
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I bought a new shirt today. Long sleeved. With a logo. It's mostly blue. You'd like it.

Posted by: grammie winger, Romans 1:16-17 at October 24, 2016 08:09 PM (dFi94)

251 234 @206: "Kim Sickens"

She's not that homely. She's no Helen of Troy, true, but she's not coyote-ugly, either.
Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 08:05 PM (rznWS

Ha. My cell phone is a hand me down so I'm constantly getting fucked with the auto cunnilingus.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 08:09 PM (/SdD1)

252 "Oh dear. The air-conditioning doesn't seem to be working. Matthew, what say we take off our shirts and work bare-chested today?"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 24, 2016 08:07 PM (kdS6q)

That would require him to have a chest.

https://eppc.s3.amazonaws.com/ wp-content/uploads/2013/08/continetti11.jpg

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at October 24, 2016 08:09 PM (FYrz1)

253 I came to be a Republican because I, as it turns out, fucked up and trusted politicians to keep their word when they told me all about their anti-Big Government bona fides.

There won't be a movement back to limited government under this system.

All there is left to look forward to is The Republic of Texas.

Posted by: Skunky Choom at October 24, 2016 08:09 PM (CbGSW)

254 For the life of me, I don't get why Trump won't come to Savannah?? I mean, he's in St. Augustine, and that is one tiny, tiny town.

WTF?

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:09 PM (928Aa)

255 The elite Republicans have no choice but to sigh and let those leftists have their way. Opposing them just wouldn't be polite.

Posted by: @votermom on a wonky tablet at October 24, 2016 08:09 PM (Om16U)

256 @229: "We might have to reject adversarianism, to accept the welfare state as
an objective fact, to rehabilitate Burnham;s vision of a
conservative-tinged Establishment capable of permeating the managerial
society and gradually directing it in a prudential, reflective, virtuous
manner respectful of both freedom and tradition."

Yup; Better-Managed Socialism was always the goal.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 08:10 PM (rznWS)

257 Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:02 PM (928Aa)
What did the Dr say? If you already have written what the Dr said re: if it heals, forgive me I missed it.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 08:10 PM (Q5Ymk)

258 Posted by: alexthechick - the taunting always with the taunting at October 24, 2016 07:07 PM (dEQP3)

You're just jealous because he has a better thesaurus than you do....

And for God's sake, he is invited to all of the best cocktail parties.

And that consulting gig? high six figures. So what if it was for the Ford Foundation.

Lighten up.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 24, 2016 08:10 PM (Zu3d9)

259 The Strain will be ending after four seasons because it was always planned to be 3-5 seasons and the writers decided that four seasons would tell the story.

With AtC's permission, we'll let you watch.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:03 PM (928Aa)

*ponders*

I'll allow it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out. at October 24, 2016 08:10 PM (dEQP3)

260 228 This arouses me.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 08:02 PM (0mRoj)

With AtC's permission, we'll let you watch.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:03 PM (928Aa)

Niiice

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 08:10 PM (0mRoj)

261 peter burns died........ the guy from dead or alive......saw him at the live 105 party back in the 80's......

Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at October 24, 2016 08:10 PM (0O7c5)

262 I saw that the Thai sex workers were wearing black this week, you know out of respect for the King. But business goes on.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 24, 2016 08:10 PM (6Ll1u)

263 246 Oh they're probably just trapped on TWD. Hard to keep it interesting when everything becomes a slight, or increasingly implausible or uninteresting, variation on the same themes.

They're not trapped. They have comics to follow. And after Season 2 is when Scott Gimple had taken over and wanted to start following the comics more closely than they had been. That CDC stuff from the first season? Yeah, that wasn't in the comics.

Posted by: buzzion at October 24, 2016 08:10 PM (z/Ubi)

264 This is the challenge of the moment. This is the crisis of the conservative intellectual.

Shit-can the Conservative label. It doesn't fit. Never has. Not in my lifetime. But you won't like my alternative either.

Do I owe allegiance to The Government ? My answer is simple. No. And not just when a Shitty Democrat occupies the Oval Office.

And that's why the GOP must die. Sorry Alex. We really DO need to fight the Libertarian Wars again. And the War of Northern Aggression again. And a ton of other wars to boot.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 08:10 PM (fiGNd)

265 Kim Dickens was hot in Deadwood.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 08:10 PM (/SdD1)

266

Did "the guy who shouts En Fuego" shout En Fuego yet?

Because ace you are En Fuego!

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 24, 2016 08:11 PM (zu88C)

267 256 @229: "We might have to reject adversarianism, to accept the welfare state as
an objective fact, to rehabilitate Burnham;s vision of a
conservative-tinged Establishment capable of permeating the managerial
society and gradually directing it in a prudential, reflective, virtuous
manner respectful of both freedom and tradition."

Yup; Better-Managed Socialism was always the goal.
Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 24, 2016 08:10 PM (rznWS)

Yeah, see my #27. I hate it when I'm right.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at October 24, 2016 08:11 PM (sdi6R)

268 Art Schlichter is dead?

Posted by: Zombie Abe Vigoda at October 24, 2016 08:11 PM (Tyii7)

269 How does this shit end ?
Breakup with civil war ?
Velvet breakup ?
landless peasants huddled around the lords castle ?
Posted by: awkward davies

Oh, that's just the thing. It doesn't end.

It's just a long, slow slide into irrelevance. No bang, no crash.

But, yes, it will turn eventually into a techno-feudal mess. War is the only wild card.

Will Russia go bankrupt and blame their neighbors? Will China decide to look for lebensraum? Will Iran and the Haus of Saud tear their dishdashas and duke it out?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 24, 2016 08:12 PM (EIOkK)

270 Yo no soy marinero
Soy pirata!

Posted by: @votermom on a wonky tablet at October 24, 2016 08:12 PM (Om16U)

271 For more on this, see the Declaration of Independence. A lot of Trumpkin crazies signed it.
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awesome

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 24, 2016 08:12 PM (zu88C)

272 OT. Been cleaning the master closet. I have a srack of old LP' in the BR corner near the bed. The one on top is Steven Stills. Early this morning, I couldn't get back to sleep. The oldies station played "Love the One You're With". I thought, "Humm, the only one I'm with is also the one I love." This could be serendipity, but she didn'the respond any to my secret back-scratch, so I rolled back over.

A little while later, the station switched to morning goof-off format, so I switches to my second choice. Wouldn'the you know, the same song by SS comes on. Okay, now this is more than serendipity, it'seems Divine Intervention.

In conclusion, I think she must have put away a half Rx of Ambien at bedtime. There may have been supernatural intervention, but it it was anything but divineven.

Anyone out there like Steven Stills? This one is going cheap.

Posted by: bergerbilder at October 24, 2016 08:12 PM (27WlQ)

273 Insomniac, you lucky bastage!!!

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 08:12 PM (3myMJ)

274 239 I was catching up on "Poldark" last night, and then the "Hamilton" crap showed up on PBS with, of course, Obama spewing his mind thoughts about it.

Who will free us from this SCOAMF??
Posted by: Jane D'oh

Poldark was only worth watching because of the two gorgeous actresses, Eleanor Tomlinson and Heida Reed, playing his love interests. Mesmerizing.

That, and also learning interesting stuff behind the history of tin mining.

But after about three episodes it just devolves into yet another soap opera, with slightly different costumes this time, and I weary of soap operas -- so I stopped watching, Eleanor Tomlinson or no Eleanor Tomlinson.

Posted by: zombie at October 24, 2016 08:12 PM (jBuUi)

275 Ryan, McConnell. Hell where's Jindal even.

Maybe the press is not covering their outrage.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 24, 2016 08:07 PM (BS8yt)

There are conservative outlets that would have them.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at October 24, 2016 08:12 PM (GzDYP)

276 RE: Not in the comics in TWD. Darryl Dixon. Not in the comics.

I bought a new shirt today. Long sleeved. With a logo. It's mostly blue. You'd like it.
Posted by: grammie winger, Romans 1:16-17 at October 24, 2016 08:09 PM (dFi94)

Oh that sounds lovely. I hope it has good weft and weave and absorbs liquids well.

Particularly biologically based liquids. Mayhap salty ones. Flowing from the eyes.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out. at October 24, 2016 08:13 PM (dEQP3)

277 273 Insomniac, you lucky bastage!!!
Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 08:12 PM (3myMJ)

First spot of good luck I've had all year. I was due.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 08:13 PM (0mRoj)

278 Dammit. RIP Steven Den Beste. A true conservative intellectual.

2016 can absolutely go to Hell.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 24, 2016 08:13 PM (8MFrj)

279 I forgot all about that Pirate Party.

I shall be emigrating to Iceland soon.

If only New Zealand had a Pirate Party.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 24, 2016 08:14 PM (BS8yt)

280 Yes, USS Clueless was a must-read in the early days of the blogosphere right after 9/11. RIP.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at October 24, 2016 08:07 PM (sdi6R)

Very influential. Made the case that transnational-socialists will be joined at the hip with islamists to bring down western society.Hillary has proven his thesis.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 24, 2016 08:14 PM (P/kVC)

281 What did the Dr say? If you already have written what the Dr said re: if it heals, forgive me I missed it.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 08:10 PM (Q5Ymk

He went to the therapist today who was concealing her YIKES!

I just can't even deal with the hurricane shit, husband's mom mini-stroke, husband's SUV being considered totaled after a FL refugee cut him off at I-16 and I-75, his awful hand surgery, and our our still needing Shit Done.

Oh, and I have a funeral reception to chair this weekend. Because no one else will.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:14 PM (928Aa)

282 I don't blame the Establishment for not liking Trump. What I find annoying is that they use the same disingenuous crap against him as Hillary and the MSM. The thing is no one is listening. He may win, he may be a good President. Certainly he can't be worse than the narcissistic clown show we have now.

Posted by: Caliban at October 24, 2016 08:14 PM (3GFMN)

283 Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out. at October 24, 2016 08:07 PM (dEQP3)
Why must the ratchet only move one way? Never moves toward the freedom/less government side? I don't want to accept it.
My idea is to make people on welfare do volunteer work. Clean parks/mow lawns. Do something, 40 hours per week.
More children gets you less money. The incentives are perverse.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 08:14 PM (Q5Ymk)

284 Anyone out there like Steven Stills? This one is going cheap.

Posted by: bergerbilder at October 24, 2016 08:12 PM (27WlQ)
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Don't care for that particular tune, but "Southern Cross" is in my Top Ten of All Time.

Posted by: grammie winger, Romans 1:16-17 at October 24, 2016 08:14 PM (dFi94)

285
That would require him to have a chest.
Posted by: Colorado Alex

Lowry likes 'em boyish and hairless.

http://tinyurl.com/h5zglb3

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 24, 2016 08:14 PM (kdS6q)

286 "No pearl went unclutched". Four words in, and I knew I was going to like it.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 24, 2016 08:14 PM (VdICR)

287 Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:14 PM (928Aa)

Damn.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 08:14 PM (0mRoj)

288 After El Internado I plan to rewatch El Gran Hotel, this time with Spanish subtitles, to see if I can understand the dialogue.

Posted by: @votermom on a wonky tablet at October 24, 2016 08:14 PM (Om16U)

289 I liked the Hamilton thing on PBS because I really like the soundtrack/story but it really bummed me out that the most odious libs-Geitner, Paulson, freaking Elizabeth Warren and Obama seem to have claimed it as their own-when they know damn well that if Hamilton was alive he would never stop puking at what they've done to us and what lying fakes they all are.

Posted by: Goldilocks at October 24, 2016 08:15 PM (pOgVG)

290 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 24, 2016 08:15 PM (EEI+w)

291 Oreilly is sparring with Jennifer Rubin. Wow is she a condescending fugly bitch.

Posted by: Jaimo at October 24, 2016 08:15 PM (eDc0r)

292 We just had an election with an Independent running on the Dem ticket, name one independent that votes with the republicans? We need a true new party, not a bunch of procrastination

+++++

we just had a mass of angry gop voters about 8 years ago saying they wanted to change the gop from within. we're either almost there or further away than we've ever been

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at October 24, 2016 08:15 PM (U0lQa)

293 transnational-socialists will be joined at the hip with islamists to bring down western society.Hillary has proven his thesis

And then the parasite will devour the host.

Posted by: The Duke of Mish at October 24, 2016 08:15 PM (Tyii7)

294
peter burns died........ the guy from dead or alive......saw him at the live 105 party back in the 80's......

Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at October 24, 2016 08:10 PM (0O7c5)

That guy was...well I'll just say he had "issues".

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her Deplorable 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at October 24, 2016 08:16 PM (+eR2D)

295 I'll say this about O-care. They took one-sixth of the economy and via a combination of confiscatory spending, subsidies, rent seeking (well hello, there, Epic!), irrational pricing, and lost opportunity costs (gee, kids, we can either buy you a new pair of shoes or we can pay our insurance premium this month) which have depressed the other segments of the economy...

...and turned it into one-fourth of the economy.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 24, 2016 08:16 PM (wPiJc)

296 Oh that sounds lovely. I hope it has good weft and weave and absorbs liquids well.

Particularly biologically based liquids. Mayhap salty ones. Flowing from the eyes.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out. at October 24, 2016 08:13 PM (dEQP3)
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Silly girl. Margaritas don't come out of your eyes. You get them from a cute bartender. Or in my case, an old minister. So much not the same.

Posted by: grammie winger, Romans 1:16-17 at October 24, 2016 08:16 PM (dFi94)

297 Posted by: Goldilocks at October 24, 2016 08:15 PM (pOgVG)

Hamilton was part of a Revolution from a King who had MUCH less Power than our current administration...

Almost everything we rebelled from, is now de facto happening to us.

Posted by: Don Q.. at October 24, 2016 08:16 PM (qf6WZ)

298 War , the father of us all . Apparently , mans natural state .

Posted by: awkward davies at October 24, 2016 08:17 PM (x4GUz)

299 Bill oreilly just blew up Jenn Rubin. I can't believe how unprepared she was!!! What a ridiculous hack

Posted by: Grandmalcaesar at October 24, 2016 08:17 PM (iHFBh)

300 "No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue and by frequent recurrence to fundamental principles."

Virginia Declaration of Rights, Section 15 (1776)

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at October 24, 2016 08:18 PM (J8/9G)

301 I weep for my country. I pray too but mostly weep. dammit.

+++++

I've come to believe we're the whore of Babylon

at least for this go round

who can guess the time? not I. but the shoe increasingly fits.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at October 24, 2016 08:18 PM (U0lQa)

302 Posted by: @votermom on a wonky tablet at October 24, 2016 08:14 PM (Om16U)
I've started using Duolingo again. If I could understand Spanish that would be great. They speak too fast.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 08:18 PM (Q5Ymk)

303 "No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to
any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance,
frugality, and virtue and by frequent recurrence to fundamental
principles."

Virginia Declaration of Rights, Section 15 (1776)
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Oh hon, we ain't got time for all that.

Posted by: grammie winger, Romans 1:16-17 at October 24, 2016 08:19 PM (dFi94)

304 CONSUME! CONFORM! OBEY!

Posted by: They Live at October 24, 2016 08:19 PM (qJhUV)

305 300 "No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue and by frequent recurrence to fundamental principles."

Virginia Declaration of Rights, Section 15 (1776)
Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at October 24, 2016 08:18 PM (J8/9G)

These days, that's called being a chump.

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 24, 2016 08:19 PM (0mRoj)

306 Oh I meant "trapped" in that the tale has devolved to mostly a series of repetitive and increasingly implausible situations. If the cycle of wandering/finding new community of survivors/being betrayed by new community/wandering some more continues, if there's nothing more "out there", then it's a sort of trap.

Having the old veterans jarringly violating all their hard-earned wisdom and rules due to feeelzz in order to generate the B horror movie plot twists certainly suggests a trapped creative team.

Whatever. Everyone's mileage varies.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 24, 2016 08:20 PM (QDnY+)

307 TWD is a fun exercise in how stupid can Rick'e troupe be and still somehow survive.

They are all freaked out over how bad Negan is.

The Governor was worse, he killed everybody that had any strength.

The Terminus freaks killed and ate everybody.

Relatively speaking, Negan is a good guy.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 24, 2016 08:21 PM (P/kVC)

308 From Drudge:

PROFESSOR WHO PREDICTED LAST FIVE ELECTIONS SAYS TRUMP HAS 87% CHANCE OF WINNING

Helmut Norpoth still confident despite polls showing Hillary ahead

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at October 24, 2016 08:21 PM (Nwg0u)

309 The GOP forgot to drop off monthly large sacks filled with money on Ace's doorstep.

They will regret this omission

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 08:21 PM (/SdD1)

310 "Government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people, nation, or community; of all the various modes and forms of government, that is best which is capable of producing the greatest degree of happiness and safety and is most effectually secured against the danger of maladministration. And that, when any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community has an indubitable, inalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be judged most conducive to the public weal."

Virginia Declaration of Rights, Section 3

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at October 24, 2016 08:21 PM (J8/9G)

311 That guy was...well I'll just say he had "issues".

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her Deplorable 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at October 24, 2016 08:16 PM (+eR2D)
i know....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at October 24, 2016 08:22 PM (0O7c5)

312 Rubin is no genius, but to be mauled by O'Reilly requires hamster-like intellect.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 24, 2016 08:22 PM (QDnY+)

313 PROFESSOR WHO PREDICTED LAST FIVE ELECTIONS SAYS TRUMP HAS 87% CHANCE OF WINNING

Helmut Norpoth still confident despite polls showing Hillary ahead

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at October 24, 2016 08:21 PM (Nwg0u)

Hope he's right.
2016 - The Last Chance to See if the Ballot Box Works....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 24, 2016 08:22 PM (2L42J)

314 The Republicans long for the days before 1994 when all they had to do was pretend to be an opposition party.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 24, 2016 08:22 PM (IqV8l)

315 Prayers, Jane.

Why must the ratchet only move one way? Never moves toward the freedom/less government side? I don't want to accept it.
My idea is to make people on welfare do volunteer work. Clean parks/mow lawns. Do something, 40 hours per week.
More children gets you less money. The incentives are perverse.
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 08:14 PM (Q5Ymk)

Yup. How many decades have we been pinky sworn that government will be rolled back?

How much has it been rolled back?

But, we're the horrible ones for requiring deeds and not words.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out. at October 24, 2016 08:23 PM (dEQP3)

316 My plan on election night is to get mildly wasted, and take some melatonin and go to bed.

I expect to wake up in the morning with the Worst News Ever, perhaps drink more, and wait for the Beast's minions to round me up after the coronation for the camps.

I hope and pray to be surprised.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:24 PM (928Aa)

317 In my little precinct, in my little town today in DFW, TX there must have been 100+ people in line to early vote at around 1pm.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her Deplorable 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at October 24, 2016 08:24 PM (+eR2D)

318 Relatively speaking, Negan is a good guy.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 24, 2016 08:21 PM (P/kVC)

Anybody who comes up with the catch phrase per per pants. Ity is ok in my book.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 08:24 PM (/SdD1)

319 From Drudge:

PROFESSOR WHO PREDICTED LAST FIVE ELECTIONS SAYS TRUMP HAS 87% CHANCE OF WINNING

Helmut Norpoth still confident despite polls showing Hillary ahead

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at October 24, 2016 08:21 PM (Nwg0u)

Is that the guy that has five critical true/false tests to see who wins?
5^2 = 32 elections.

Add in one more 'test' and you 'predict' every election.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 24, 2016 08:25 PM (P/kVC)

320 "The question is, said Humpty Dumpty, which is to be master, that's all."

Posted by: Shoey at October 24, 2016 08:25 PM (vA94g)

321 I know how to save The Walking Dead. Zombies invade Big Bang and kill Sheldon, Leonard, Amy, Penny, Howard, Raj, Penny et al. I mean, let's face it, Big Bang has been pretty much a zombie series for the last several years.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at October 24, 2016 08:25 PM (Nwg0u)

322 I've started using Duolingo again. If I could understand Spanish that would be great. They speak too fast.
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 08:18 PM (Q5Ymk)

That's what's great about El Internado & El Gran Hotel. They are shows from Spain, so the characters speak at a European pace, which is a lot easier to.follow. Not ratatat like Mexicans & South Americans do.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 08:25 PM (Om16U)

323 300 "No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue and by frequent recurrence to fundamental principles."

Oh hon, we ain't got time for all that.

These days, that's called being a chump.

Oh. Fuck. Me. This is why y'all wear me out. Seriously.

PROGRESSIVES BELIEVE THIS TOO. FERVENTLY. IN THEIR BONES.

They just disagree in the definition of, literally, every noun in that statement.

The road goes on forever. And the party never ends.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 08:25 PM (fiGNd)

324 *raises hand*

Stay right there. We'll be with you shortly.

Posted by: Homeland Security at October 24, 2016 08:26 PM (d76uN)

325 Kurt is spot on as usual. I originally started using Twitter as more of a news and opinion feed as opposed to a venue to blare my righteous opinions on everything, but it has been interesting to see:

A. The validation that pretty much all social media rapidly becomes a sewer.
B. The mask coming off various members of "the right" as the primaries played out.
C. Related to B., the sickening number of elitists on the right and the fact that there are WAY too many people that make a living solely on American politics.

Pretty much knew all this before, but it is something to behold this year. God help us.

Posted by: Pete at October 24, 2016 08:26 PM (v3qBR)

326 I get Paul Ryan's feed on my Facebook page. Every day he comes out with something he has done, something the Republicans have done, or some statement of opposition to Hillary or Obama. You should see the comments on each days' statement. He is getting slammed. Slammed. I hope he's assigned someone to read those comments and report back to him. I'm sure he never expected to be the target of such intense loathing. The comments are merciless. If they could light him on fire and use him for a flashlight, they would.

Posted by: grammie winger, Romans 1:16-17 at October 24, 2016 08:27 PM (dFi94)

327 My husband is RIGHT THIS MINUTE defending his lib sisters and mother for voting for Hillary.

Someone give me a reason, other than his terrible surgically fucked up right hand, why I shouldn't dick punch him.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:27 PM (928Aa)

328 I do find the (perceived) silence of the GOP on the jaw-dropping cavalcade of criminal and/or outrageous horrors revealed/confirmed by wikileaks emails and O'Keefe videos ..... troubling.

I say "perceived", as perhaps I'm missing it.

But by definition, in the middle of what is supposed to be a political campaign - one in which the GOP and its dimmer pilot fish never miss a chance to fret over the "down-ticket" situation - it seems, dunno, rather odd that GOP outrage isn't forcing its way into the headlines.

As I have noted to zero acclaim or reaction for probably a year or more, the GOP simply doesn't do "politics" any more. At the national level. They file lawsuits and voice-vote and craft absurd (in concept and detail) CRs instead of returning to regular order in appropriations. They literally avoid all the standard, effective, and familiar actual mechanisms of doing politics.

Striking, to anyone who understands how it always worked, and must work, if any actual opposition is occurring.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 24, 2016 08:28 PM (QDnY+)

329 Someone give me a reason, other than his terrible surgically fucked up right hand, why I shouldn't dick punch him.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:27 PM (928Aa)

He's just drunk from all the Jim Beam.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 08:28 PM (Om16U)

330 He's just drunk from all the Jim Beam.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 08:28 PM (Om16U)

One drink? Not good enough.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:29 PM (928Aa)

331 Someone give me a reason, other than his terrible surgically fucked up right hand, why I shouldn't dick punch him.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:27 PM (928Aa)
================================================

I got nuthin

Posted by: grammie winger, Romans 1:16-17 at October 24, 2016 08:30 PM (dFi94)

332 Sorry, here is an easier version to read of my last post:

Been cleaning the master closet. I have a stack of old LP's in the BR corner near the bed. The one on top is Steven Stills. Early this morning, I couldn't get back to sleep, so I turned on the radio. The oldies station played "Love the One You're With" by Steven Stills. I thought, "Hmm, the only one I'm with is also the one I love.This could be serendipity." But she didn'the respond ato all to my secret back-scratch, so I rolled back over.

A little while later, the station switched to morning goof-off format, so I switched to my second choice. Wouldn't you know, the same song by SS comes on. Okay, now this is more than serendipity, it seems like Divine Intervention.

In conclusion, I think she must have put away a half Rx of Ambien at bedtime. There may have been Supernatural Intervention, but it it was anything but divine. Anyone out there like Steven Stills? This one is going cheap.

Posted by: bergerbilder at October 24, 2016 08:30 PM (27WlQ)

333 I am eating chocolate now to recover from the trauma of watching TWD.

Someone please prepare my safe space.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 08:30 PM (Om16U)

334 If I was in Rick's group, I'd be all like "we had that coming to us"

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 24, 2016 08:30 PM (BS8yt)

335 I love you, Grammie.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:31 PM (928Aa)

336 I wish we still had Safe Space Kittehs.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:32 PM (928Aa)

337 Kurt Schlichter: Can Someone Tell Me Why...

----------------
Ummm... because they were lying?

Am I the first to say that? What do I win?

Posted by: BurtTC at October 24, 2016 08:32 PM (Pz4pT)

338 My husband is RIGHT THIS MINUTE defending his lib sisters and mother for voting for Hillary.

Someone give me a reason, other than his terrible surgically fucked up right hand, why I shouldn't dick punch him.

Posted by: Jane D'oh,
****

Don't punch him. Kick him in the nuts.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 24, 2016 08:34 PM (hVdx9)

339 334 If I was in Rick's group, I'd be all like "we had that coming to us"

If I was in Rick's group, I'd be all like ...

... Dude, that Shane cat ? Yeah - he's screwin' your ol' lady. Not my business. Just sayin'.

And that sack of guns ? Looks just like mine. I'll be leaving you now. Staying at this quarry that the sisters seem to be able to fish. That'll work for a while.

Ever heard of a sentry ? Yeah - you should use those. Keeps shit from walking up on you. You know - like zombies.

Anyway. Enjoy the CDC.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 08:34 PM (fiGNd)

340 307 TWD is a fun exercise in how stupid can Rick'e troupe be and still somehow survive.

They are all freaked out over how bad Negan is.

The Governor was worse, he killed everybody that had any strength.

The Terminus freaks killed and ate everybody.

Relatively speaking, Negan is a good guy.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 24, 2016 08:21 PM (P/kVC)

"You're all my slaves, and I'll kill you when it suits me on a whim" is pretty much a different type of evil from the others. Just because its different, doesn't make it less, or good.

Posted by: buzzion at October 24, 2016 08:34 PM (z/Ubi)

341 Donna Brazil's is busted for trying to claim the her emails were doctored as some vast far right plot. Some tech experts got on the case and proved no doctoring done. So hard to believe that a dim-witted, HRC shill would lie isn't it?

Posted by: Cheri at October 24, 2016 08:34 PM (TmVQX)

342 Rhomboid,

agree, they aren't even doing politics.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 24, 2016 08:35 PM (BS8yt)

343 Jane - For the life of me, I don't know what the man is thinking. Maybe he's just being nice to his family. It's his mom, so .... Men are pitiful.

Posted by: grammie winger, Romans 1:16-17 at October 24, 2016 08:35 PM (dFi94)

344 Jane, you're already in the camp (well, not so bad, as you're in GA).

The "camps" are ..... the US. The civil society in which crude, stupid, racist, illiterate crap is spoken/acted upon openly and with silence or approval. By everyone from the president on down.

The college campus that resembles a German university in the early days of Gleichschaltung ("co-ordination" - stamping out wrongthought).

Pop culture. The friggin' NFL.

The workplace (watch what you say).

The boardroom, if you're at that level (Prop Eight, anyone?).

The US is the camp. Or will be, the way things are going.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 24, 2016 08:35 PM (QDnY+)

345 yuengling supports TRUMP!!! good enough for me!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at October 24, 2016 08:35 PM (0O7c5)

346 341 Donna Brazil's is busted for trying to claim the her emails were doctored as some vast far right plot. Some tech experts got on the case and proved no doctoring done. So hard to believe that a dim-witted, HRC shill would lie isn't it?
Posted by: Cheri at October 24, 2016 08:34 PM (TmVQX)

Yeah, when she came out with that whopper, I didn't even pause to wonder whether it might be true. That's a snapshot of the next 4 years, unless we are lucky.

Posted by: Splunge at October 24, 2016 08:36 PM (iMxBJ)

347 345 yuengling supports TRUMP!!! good enough for me!!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at October 24, 2016 08:35 PM (0O7c5)

Cool! That's my beer. Do you have a link?

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at October 24, 2016 08:37 PM (sdi6R)

348 Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 08:25 PM (Om16U)
The people I'd like to understand are from Mexico and South America. It's unavoidable here. If I go to Bank of America I'm the only English speaker there.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 08:37 PM (Q5Ymk)

349 If I was in Rick's group, I'd be all like "we had that coming to us"

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 24, 2016 08:30 PM (BS8yt)

I'd be all like, "Sorry Daryl, we are going back for all those heavy weapons we passed by in previous episodes to kill these fuckers because the two RPGs we have left aren't enough."

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 24, 2016 08:37 PM (P/kVC)

350 Jane- when you help him with his shower, casually flush the toilet so he gets a surge of hot water. That'll teach 'im.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 24, 2016 08:37 PM (wPiJc)

351 Well, time to do some reading (of the baseball genre) in preparation for the big day. Have to be ready. Have to be alert. Have to be poised.

Goodnight

Posted by: grammie winger, Romans 1:16-17 at October 24, 2016 08:38 PM (dFi94)

352 jane.....kick him in the nuts.....seriously.......and here....if they are catholic show him this....... http://tinyurl.com/znkmett

Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at October 24, 2016 08:38 PM (0O7c5)

353
Jane - For the life of me, I don't know what the man is thinking. Maybe
he's just being nice to his family. It's his mom, so .... Men are
pitiful.

Posted by: grammie winger, Romans 1:16-17 at October 24, 2016 08:35 PM (dFi94)

My poor husband. He's all "my poor sweet mom" yet he knows she only listens to her Hillary loving daughters.

Anyhow, husband's aunt (MIL's sis) called me today to bitch about her "idiot" sister. I love my husband's cranky, conservative aunt.

She literally cannot stand her liberal nieces and nephews.

So she's leaving her tidy fortune to my husband.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:38 PM (928Aa)

354 GO BLACKHAWKS!

Posted by: garrett at October 24, 2016 08:39 PM (6Erfn)

355 Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:14 PM (928Aa)
You and your husband have really been dealt a shi**y hand.
I was hoping you misunderstood the Dr or he didn't explain himself well.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 08:39 PM (Q5Ymk)

356
Jane- when you help him with his shower, casually flush the toilet so he gets a surge of hot water. That'll teach 'im.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 24, 2016 08:37 PM (wPiJc)

Heh. I wish I had time to come up with a limerick.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:40 PM (928Aa)

357 Someone give me a reason, other than his terrible surgically fucked up right hand, why I shouldn't dick punch him.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:27 PM (928Aa)

Because it would be much more fun to crazy glue the cap on the bottle, set it next to him & go take a long hot bath.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at October 24, 2016 08:40 PM (GzDYP)

358 Heh. I wish I had time to come up with a limerick.

****

Oh my. You must really want to punish him.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 24, 2016 08:41 PM (wPiJc)

359 Relatively speaking, Negan is a good guy.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 24, 2016 08:21 PM (P/kVC)

"You're all my slaves, and I'll kill you when it suits me on a whim" is pretty much a different type of evil from the others. Just because its different, doesn't make it less, or good.
Posted by: buzzion at October 24, 2016 08:34 PM (z/Ubi)

The main reason I'm giving up on this show is they had no reason to bring Negan into this. Negan is just the next big bad, which, if you are writing a comic book series, is necessary. Characters essentially have no arc, they're two dimensional.

The one strength the tv show had, was bringing them to life. So, having gone through the Governor, and Terminus (which wasn't even in the books, by the way), all Negan does is serve as the Boss Who Must Be Fought.

I don't mind the dead main characters, and I certainly don't mind the gore. This is become boring.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 24, 2016 08:41 PM (Pz4pT)

360
I bought a new shirt today. Long sleeved. With a logo. It's mostly blue. You'd like it.

Posted by: grammie winger, Romans 1:16-17 at October 24, 2016 08:09 PM (dFi94)

Does it have a red "C" on it?
A Cleveland Indians shirt?!?
*ducks*
(but not Donald's ducks)

Posted by: Ian Go Cubs Galt at October 24, 2016 08:43 PM (8iiMU)

361 19 It will take a monumental effort to get a real 3rd party off the ground, don't count on the beloved Independent vote to help. They are anything but Independent, can't rock the vote too much, or they lose their special status.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 24, 2016 06:56 PM (6Ll1u)

Trump wins and renames his voters the new party.

easy peasy

Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at October 24, 2016 08:44 PM (3w+CX)

362 Can I just say? The mosquitoes are a NIGHTMARE post Matthew.

Our county mosquito control is working overtime, but I walked to the mailbox and was bitten on my right eyelid.

Yeesh. Now I look like a have a Hillary kinda spazzed out eye.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:44 PM (928Aa)

363 The problem with The Walking Dead is that the suits at AMC are cheap and they allow mob rule from Twitter, Facebook, and all other social media to pretty much dictate the story.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 08:45 PM (/SdD1)

364 The people I'd like to understand are from Mexico and South America. It's unavoidable here. If I go to Bank of America I'm the only English speaker there.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 08:37 PM (Q5Ymk)

Ay caramba.
Still, learning it from Spain will transfer to faster paced Mexico. You have to get your brain into Spanish mode first.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 08:45 PM (Om16U)

365 I haven't watched TWD in ages. Please, someone tell me Carl was killed.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:46 PM (928Aa)

366 If Trump is serious about draining the swamp (and there will be lots of things to plug up the dam, I fear), then once he is done, whatever is left is the new party.

If he is NOT serious about draining the swamp, there will be no need for a new party. The old ones will simply continue swindling and committing treason, and nobody will stop them.

I no longer believe in much else besides LET IT BURN.

Nothing else makes sense. At some point, the rot goes all the way to the top. Nobody would keep a cheese that looked as bad as Wash D.C. No reason to keep what we have there, at all.

Posted by: Deplorable, Catholic and irredemable Redneck tcn in AK at October 24, 2016 08:47 PM (cm1Bl)

367 Just burnt out on Politics, seems like it's all over.

Posted by: BuckIV at October 24, 2016 08:48 PM (CLfqv)

368 The main reason I'm giving up on this show is they had no reason to bring Negan into this. Negan is just the next big bad, which, if you are writing a comic book series, is necessary. Characters essentially have no arc, they're two dimensional.

The one strength the tv show had, was bringing them to life. So, having gone through the Governor, and Terminus (which wasn't even in the books, by the way), all Negan does is serve as the Boss Who Must Be Fought.

I don't mind the dead main characters, and I certainly don't mind the gore. This is become boring.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 24, 2016 08:41 PM (Pz4pT)

Because why would you need to bring in new conflicts to a show that regularly has new conflicts come into it. Much better to just have the show called "Happy Times in Alexandria!"

I look forward to listen to you whining about the show you declare you're no longer going to watch though.

Posted by: buzzion at October 24, 2016 08:49 PM (z/Ubi)

369 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at October 24, 2016 08:21 PM (Nwg0u)

Yeah, Helmet was on Breitbart this morning. I hope to hell he and IBD TIPP are correct.

Posted by: F.N.G. at October 24, 2016 08:50 PM (kiSdp)

370 A lot of people are in denial. Question is which side?

Lots of people all around that believe their own bullshit, myself included.

Posted by: Czar Peter at October 24, 2016 08:50 PM (qaWk6)

371 There once was a dude with his hand fucked
His wife said his care sure more than sucked
But she learned with a grin
When rich auntie called in
Than their checkbook had sure as hell lucked

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 24, 2016 08:50 PM (fiGNd)

372 Kerry was just given some kind of award for that nifty Iran deal. You can't make this shit up.

Posted by: Cheri at October 24, 2016 08:50 PM (TmVQX)

373 Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 08:45 PM (Om16U)
One of the guys that works for us told me I have to learn to think in Spanish. Not to translate in your head.
Also sometimes I know my husband is stressed about work when he speaks Spanish in his sleep.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 24, 2016 08:50 PM (Q5Ymk)

374 I haven't watched TWD in ages. Please, someone tell me Carl was killed.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:46 PM (928Aa)

Alas, no.

The Governor, I mean Negan, was going to force Rick to eat him alive with a spoon. Rick cried and Negan felt bad about being such a big meanie. He left the group alone to gather up some nuts and berries for Negan to enjoy when he comes back next season. Negan likes granola.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 24, 2016 08:50 PM (P/kVC)

375 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 24, 2016 08:51 PM (hVdx9)

376 Does it have a red "C" on it?
A Cleveland Indians shirt?!?
*ducks*
(but not Donald's ducks)

The Indians AA team in Akron is called The Rubber Ducks.

Posted by: bergerbilder at October 24, 2016 08:52 PM (27WlQ)

377 No. Seriously. That last paragraph sums up everything that is wrong with the significant portions of the current conservative "intelligentsia". Oh oh oh we must just accept the welfare state and work on making sure that the right kinds of people are in control of running things.

Suck my girldick, taint sniffer.
Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah, count me out

Whether these idiot realize it or not, they are consciously regurgitating Bismark's formula for a national Germany, after unification.

For a bit of light hearted humor, read "The Ominous Parallels" by Leonard Peikoff. It was written about 30 years ago. And look where we are now.

We are going to become a fascist state. It will be ugly. It will be unpleasant. And a lot of people will be rooting it on.

It will be surprising to many when this facist state turns on them personally, because they were such good little intellectuals. I guess they never thought of that, did they?

What a stupid time to be alive.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at October 24, 2016 08:52 PM (S6Pax)

378 359 Relatively speaking, Negan is a good guy.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 24, 2016 08:21 PM (P/kVC)

"You're all my slaves, and I'll kill you when it suits me on a whim" is pretty much a different type of evil from the others. Just because its different, doesn't make it less, or good.
Posted by: buzzion at October 24, 2016 08:34 PM (z/Ubi)

The main reason I'm giving up on this show is they had no reason to bring Negan into this. Negan is just the next big bad, which, if you are writing a comic book series, is necessary. Characters essentially have no arc, they're two dimensional.

The one strength the tv show had, was bringing them to life. So, having gone through the Governor, and Terminus (which wasn't even in the books, by the way), all Negan does is serve as the Boss Who Must Be Fought.

I don't mind the dead main characters, and I certainly don't mind the gore. This is become boring.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 24, 2016 08:41 PM (Pz4pT)

I agree with this.

I thought a perfect way to wrap it up would have Rick go full Villian taking Negans spot. He has been a mental patient talking to voices and wondering around since Lorie died. He is psychotic and should suffer from MPD.

I was praying for a twist where at the end where Rick would turn at the end and the evil Villian Rick would take Negans spot and during all his free time in Alexandria, he had created the Saviors because the group takes him for granted.

.organ fills the good Rick void. His son Carl and the hand must kill him.

Solid 2 seasons to wrap it up.

Rick has gone hero villain back to hero, which you cannot do and live.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 08:52 PM (/SdD1)

379 Nood
Nood
Nood

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 24, 2016 08:52 PM (hVdx9)

380 372 Kerry was just given some kind of award for that nifty Iran deal. You can't make this shit up.
Posted by: Cheri at October 24, 2016 08:50 PM (TmVQX)

I'll offer him the Fickle Finger of Fate Award.

Or just moon him.

Posted by: Deplorable, Catholic and irredemable Redneck tcn in AK at October 24, 2016 08:52 PM (cm1Bl)

381 I hadn't hadn't realised the Raymond Burr was a homosexual... But I gather that Thai boys really are a thing with gay males, yes?

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki, Aware and Noncompliant at October 24, 2016 08:53 PM (kP16F)

382 Because why would you need to bring in new conflicts to a show that regularly has new conflicts come into it. Much better to just have the show called "Happy Times in Alexandria!"

I look forward to listen to you whining about the show you declare you're no longer going to watch though.
Posted by: buzzion at October 24, 2016 08:49 PM (z/Ubi)

New conflicts? You mean like the EXACT same conflicts they had with the Governor?

Did you READ the comics? I did. Up to the point, long after they subdued Negan... OOPS! Spoiler alert! They subdue Negan!!

It's the same damn conflict. Like a two-bit video game.

Frankly, I prefer the new show, Fear the Walking Dead, over this one. That's how bad it's gotten.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 24, 2016 08:53 PM (Pz4pT)

383 Sacri-nood

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 24, 2016 08:53 PM (Om16U)

384 Hubby's hand at the whims of the surgeon
Lib in-laws, Jane's BP is surgin'
So to get his attention
(Is it okay to mention?)
She dope-slapped his head with a sturgeon!

Posted by: Muldoon at October 24, 2016 08:53 PM (wPiJc)

385 Nood. Jesus.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Deplorable Redneck Queen at October 24, 2016 08:53 PM (928Aa)

386 I find Mexicans difficult to follow not because of the pace, but because they talk like kids. It's very nasal and higher-pitched. Further down Central America it becomes a little easier to get the gist of what they're saying. For me, at least.

Posted by: t-bird at October 24, 2016 08:54 PM (/FLNB)

387 Jane, if he is voting Trump don't punch him.

You can punch him many times if Hillary wins by two votes.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 24, 2016 08:55 PM (3myMJ)

388 326 I get Paul Ryan's feed on my Facebook page. Every day he comes out with something he has done, something the Republicans have done, or some statement of opposition to Hillary or Obama. You should see the comments on each days' statement. He is getting slammed. Slammed. I hope he's assigned someone to read those comments and report back to him. I'm sure he never expected to be the target of such intense loathing. The comments are merciless. If they could light him on fire and use him for a flashlight, they would.
Posted by: grammie winger, Romans 1:16-17 at October 24, 2016 08:27 PM (dFi94)

Yeah, but the LIVs in his district (including my sister) sure are proud of being represented by the Speaker of the House. So Ryan doesn't have to pay attention to those comments.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V(deplorably brandishing ampersands&&&&and so there at October 24, 2016 08:56 PM (P8951)

389 Did you READ the comics? I did. Up to the
point, long after they subdued Negan... OOPS! Spoiler alert! They
subdue Negan!!

Posted by: BurtTC at October 24, 2016 08:53 PM (Pz4pT)

Do they do a total vivasection on him or just put him in that spiffy new jail?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 24, 2016 08:58 PM (P/kVC)

390 New conflicts? You mean like the EXACT same conflicts they had with the Governor?

Did you READ the comics? I did. Up to the point, long after they subdued Negan... OOPS! Spoiler alert! They subdue Negan!!

It's the same damn conflict. Like a two-bit video game.

Frankly, I prefer the new show, Fear the Walking Dead, over this one. That's how bad it's gotten.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 24, 2016 08:53 PM (Pz4pT)

Oh you mean the bad guy doesn't win. Man you must hate almost all entertainment minus the Greek Tragedies then.

Posted by: buzzion at October 24, 2016 09:02 PM (z/Ubi)

391 PROFESSOR WHO PREDICTED LAST FIVE ELECTIONS SAYS TRUMP HAS 87% CHANCE OF WINNING

========================

The piece I read a few days ago quoted him as saying that Trump's chances were "87% to 99%" to win.

I suspect a lot of people are going to seel recourse in NC via the write-in blank.

One fellow, walking past me, smiled and said he was going to write my name on his ballot. That way, he'd know who to blame for the nest four years. LOL.

Posted by: mrp at October 24, 2016 09:02 PM (JBggj)

392 One impulse is for orderliness, domestic tranquility, and rule-and-law-following which beget what is called "ordered liberty."

This impulse is made manifest in the Establishment types who pee themselves when they think about defiance and things like government shutdowns.

I think you're a bit confused, here. The Vichy GOP turds aren't against government shut-downs because they are for the Rule of Law, orderliness or tranquility. They hate those things. THAT is why they are against government shut-downs.

I am for shutting down the government precisely because I am for the Rule of Law, orderliness and preservation of the Constitution.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 24, 2016 09:02 PM (zc3Db)

393
We can no longer do that. We can elect conservatives. We can elect them in a landslide, giving them more governorships, state houses, and more seats in Congress than Republicans have had at any time since 1928 -- and nothing happens. The administrative state continues to grow; the progressives in charge force the states to accept same-sex marriage and men in the ladies room; they persuade all the universities in the land to institute an inquisition to hound and ruin young men who have incurred the pique of a young woman or two by stealing a kiss or (more often) by ceasing to steal kisses; and they promise to censor political dissent by identifying as ";hate speech";any statement that breaks from orthodoxy. In response, what do the conservatives in office do? They cower; they run; when put under pressure, they fold (yes, Mike Pence, it is you I have in mind). And when the Presidential candidate foisted on their party by popular fury aimed, in fact, at them speaks an unpleasant truth, they wring their hands. Theirs is the party of the white flag. They show their talents best in retreat.

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Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 24, 2016 09:03 PM (zu88C)

394 More:

I do not know what will happen in November. I fear both possibilities. Neither Clinton nor Trump is, in my opinion, palatable. What I do know, however, is that if Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and their associates do not recover for the legislative branch of our government the power of the purse we might as well not have elections anymore. For the progressives will use their leverage in the courts and in the executive agencies to shove whatever measure elite opinion comes to favor down the throats of everyone else. We are no longer a democracy. We have become a narrow, ideologically-driven, highly partisan oligarchy, and it would take something like a revolution to restore constitutional democracy and democratic control in these United States.

Let me be blunt. Under our Constitution, the House of Representatives has the power to stop anything it really wants to stop. All that it has to do is to zero out the budget allocated for the activity it wants to stop. If it is unwilling or unable to exercise that power, it should close shop. The Republicans are the victims of their own cowardice.

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Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 24, 2016 09:06 PM (zu88C)

395 I finally watched season 6 of GOT this weekend. I could tell George R R Martin had written a book for this season to follow. I don't think he will finish them and puss out letting HBO finish it

It was not as good and rushed in a bad way.

The next season will be the last. At least the final battle lines are drawn.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 24, 2016 09:07 PM (/SdD1)

396 ***Trump's strongest supporters are drawn from the network of institutions, spokesmen, and causes established by the New Right some 40 years ago. The single-issue groups fighting for gun rights, the right to life, and right to work are behind him.***

So, neverTrumpers are amorphus-issue, anti-life, and don't believe you have the right to work where you want to.

Posted by: gNewt at October 24, 2016 09:07 PM (KtxUt)

397 We are no longer a democracy.

We were never supposed to be a democracy. That was the whole point of the Constitution.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 24, 2016 09:07 PM (zc3Db)

398 397 We are no longer a democracy.

We were never supposed to be a democracy. That was the whole point of the Constitution.

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Franklin told us. " a Republic , if you can keep it"

I would argue that we haven't been one for at least 30 years.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 24, 2016 09:11 PM (zu88C)

399 394
Let me be blunt. Under our Constitution, the House of Representatives has the power to stop anything it really wants to stop. All that it has to do is to zero out the budget allocated for the activity it wants to stop. If it is unwilling or unable to exercise that power, it should close shop. The Republicans are the victims of their own cowardice.
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 24, 2016 09:06 PM (zu88C)

That, along with "impeachment is off the table" means that Congress has voluntarily neutered itself and given dictatorial powers to the Executive and Judicial branches. Unlike Germany in 1933, no Enabling Act was necessary.

Posted by: rickl the deplorable at October 24, 2016 09:19 PM (sdi6R)

400 Maybe I'd develop the skills Tom was mentioning from following his pearls of wisdom. But he blocked me on Twitter.

Posted by: bskb at October 24, 2016 09:47 PM (uz1TO)

401 I know what the smarty media "offers" me.... I just flushed some a few minutes ago,

Posted by: Wilbur Post at October 24, 2016 10:51 PM (QEUhF)

402 All arguments about process [principle] are dishonest...
-Michael Barone

Posted by: mhj at October 24, 2016 11:40 PM (uKxRL)

403 Nichols: "Because Because people don't have the basic skills or care enough to learn about what the media offers them.."

Nichols complaint is really that people do have the basic skills and do care enough to learn about what the media offers them.

Posted by: iowaan at October 25, 2016 06:33 AM (6QxYD)

404 Good Morning.

Posted by: Tenco at October 25, 2016 06:43 AM (WmsnH)

405 We're on an express elevator to hell..... GOIN' DOWN!!!

Good article by Schlichter

Posted by: Publius Redneck at October 25, 2016 09:28 AM (DZxZg)

406 Democrats are going to do what Democrats do - corrupt the voting process and then scream to high heaven when their illegal machinations fall short.
Holger °|° Dänske

Posted by: Holger Danske at October 25, 2016 09:40 AM (8B9Pr)

407 I see people are still beclowning thenselfs in support of the unsupportable.

I am as anti establishment as one can get. I went Galt 13 years ago. I walked away from the six figure job at age 50 because I had had it with the system, And I will never vote for Donald Trump because those who listen to him tend to end up morally, intellectually, emotionally and/or financially bankrupt. Nor will I ever vote for Hillary Clinton.

Trump embodies all seven of the deadly sins, those behaviorial characteristics which leave wreckage in their wake. He is arrogant. He covets power. He is envious of those who have the respect that he constantly pisses away through his own childish behavior. He is consumed with anger as well as entitlement. He is the embodiment of an almost animalistic greed for ever more things. He is consumed with lust yo the point od sxualizing his own daughters at young ages. And he is perhaps the laziest, most slothful man who ever sought political power, taking no time to study any of the issues or to listen to advisers.

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at October 25, 2016 09:53 AM (YnQ/Q)

408 I will readily grant that the people "don't have the basic skills or care enough to learn". That is too obvious to deny.

What is puzzling is the belief that the media have these skills, and that they care enough to learn. The falsity of that is even more obvious than that of the former. Indeed, all they have to offer is their own egos (or, to put it slightly differently, a great stinking pile of bat sh*t.) When they preen on being the umpires and gatekeepers I can only laugh. It's like a child with a pot in his head and a stick in his hand, playing King Arthur. But at least the child is charming.

Posted by: George LeS at October 25, 2016 09:59 AM (+TcCF)

409 In actually important news, Mommy got a new doglet today. Five year old springer spaniel that is adorable in every possible way.

Posted by: alexthechick - the taunting always with the taunting at October 24, 2016 07:25 PM (dEQP3)

Congrats on the new poochie.

Posted by: JuJuBee at October 25, 2016 10:19 AM (kma8f)

410 Every once in a while Ace writes one of these angry posts with populist anti-establishment sentiment. It's confusing to me. All you populists got your man - he's the nominee. Enough with the bitching.

As to the rage at other republicans, didn't they manage to win two houses of congress and most state governorships and state legislatures? Is that a bad thing?

And Why would you expect them to rally to trump, who has bad mouthed them for 18 months straight? When you counter this by saying other republicans have never embraced trump, you sound like Obama when he complains about uncooperative republicans in Congress. Takes two to tango.

Do you see your anti-establishment candidate winning this race, or he just stepping on his own dick 24/7?

This rage looks childish to me.

Posted by: Guido at October 25, 2016 11:24 AM (jcBcB)

411 "Can Someone Tell Me Why People Belonging to a Party Which Purports
to Stand for Individualism and Skepticism of Government Are Now
Reflexively Preaching Faith in Government as the Default Mode of Any
Good Citizen?"

Yes I can

The GOP has been captured by the crony capitalist RINOs, who raised the most money (from the 1% rich looking to get government favors from corrupt RINOs to make them richer, while they give kickbacks to the RINOs) to run political ads. Political ads the RINOs need, because it takes a lot of money to convince conservatives that you are conservative when you don't vote that way.

And then there is the social conservative faction, who like liberals, want to use government to punish those who merely offend them (say burning the flag, or making racist microagression remarks - to pick two offensive acts for social conservatives and liberals respectively). It's just they have different ideas as to what's offensive.

And what do RINOs, social conservatives and liberals want from citizens? Their votes and unquestioning obedience to government they control of course. They need faith in government to justify spending on things like
Kabucki TSA and NSA Spying Security Theater, for which they get
kickbacks from the 1% rich owners of firms getting the money.

After all, the government didn't stop the 9/11 attacks even though they had plenty of evidence, the NSA spying on law abiding citizens hasn't stopped any attacks, nor has the TSA accomplished anything useful. And all of it harms us because we have to pay for this waste that produces nothing but demands for more of our money to supposedly protect us, when government keeps failing to stop terrorist attacks. Terrorist attacks that exist, because we've been meddling in the Middle East with our military for over 50 years.

Posted by: MoreFreedom at October 25, 2016 12:24 PM (5QZE9)

412 When you refer to American elections as "scams", I stop listening. Prove your accusation with demonstrable and verifiable evidence first. Or accept the fact you are engaging in rationalization circle jerking.

Posted by: Brian at October 25, 2016 02:12 PM (z7tcM)

413 With all the revelations coming so hard and so fast, the most critical is that Clinton best represents what the so-called "republicans" believe...and so did Obama.

That is exactly why we had 8 years of unfettered Obama, and exactly why the heads of the republican party, and their complicit media, refuse to endorse their own candidate, Mr. Trump.

We haven't had a presidential candidate who actually represented the people since JFK. Many, many voters weren't even alive at that time, which means in their lifetime, they have never had a candidate who represented THEIR interests over the special interests who dictate policy. Those "special" interests want exactly what Hillary, Ryan, and the rest of the puppets of the global elite want: a borderless, sovereign-less USA, bowing to a global order's vision of a socialist one-world society. Socialism always serves the 1%.

Kudos to Bernie supporters who, at the very least, recognized something was critically wrong with the system. Forgive them for their ignorance in thinking that the solution was to increase the corruption a billion percent...that is what they have been taught since birth.

Sad, but absolutely true: the most informed voters this election cycle are those old enough to remember what a government for the people actually looked like, and those who were never indoctrinated by the state education system.

By no small coincidence, these are the voters that the elites of government and media are trying very hard to brand as "uninformed"...or as Hillary puts it, "deplorable and irredeemable".

Will the highly-indoctrinated win the day again, as they have for the last half-century, and elect the candidate who promises to entrench more government power and less individual freedom? Only if the propaganda works it's magic and numbs a majority into apathy and submission.

Bottom line: this election is not about Clinton or Trump. It is about the character of the citizens of our country...sheep willing to continue to be dominated by their leaders, or citizens finally awake enough to say, "NO MORE".

I'm an optimist, but if this goes the wrong way again, I doubt there will be a chance to peacefully accomplish a transfer of wealth and power back to the citizenry in my lifetime. I'm not hanging around to watch the slaughter.

Posted by: TLForyou at October 25, 2016 02:21 PM (e0CfM)

414 I need my spleen out but I'm not going to a hospital because the doctors there are a part of the medical establishment.
I prefer an outsider who will have at me with a broken bottle and a hammer because.... Establishment.

Posted by: Poor ace. at October 25, 2016 02:46 PM (p8YKk)

415 "For more on this, see the Declaration of Independence. A lot of Trumpkin crazies signed it."

Stupidest and most offensive thing you have ever written. Stupidest and most offensive thing that ever HAS been written. The signers of the Declaration believed in character and dignity and would never have nominated a textbook narcissist who has no principles other than self aggrandizement.

Only an idiot man-boy refuses to see cause and effect and refuses to take responsibility. You and DrewM helped facilitate the leftist ascendency when you advocated letting the country burn in the idiotic idea that you would have more say over what happens to the rubble. You got what you wanted, it's burning, so stop your whining and own it.

Posted by: Poor ace. at October 25, 2016 02:54 PM (p8YKk)

416 It's all about faith. Our world is held together by it, even our fiat money is nothing but faith. The establishment has come to rely upon that faith, but doesn't seem to truly understand the nature of it. People want to believe that everything is fine, and will continue to fall within an acceptable range of normal. They want desperately to believe that. This gives the establishment a lot of leeway in how far they can push the public.

The problem is what happens when the public finally breaks and begins to develop faith that the system is corrupt. When that happens it will be just as difficult to convince them not to be cynical. They will have a fierce belief that the establishment is out to do them harm, even when it isn't. I think we stand at the very point where that faith for the vast majority of the public is about to flip, and when that happens then anything is possible, even open conflict.

Posted by: DFCtomm at October 25, 2016 02:58 PM (1u48m)

417 I prefer an outsider who will have at me with a broken bottle and a hammer because.... Establishment.

Posted by: Poor ace. at October 25, 2016 02:46 PM (p8YKk)

Please, impotently, rage some more. It's enjoyable.

Posted by: DFCtomm at October 25, 2016 03:02 PM (1u48m)

418 412
When you refer to American elections as "scams", I stop listening. Prove
your accusation with demonstrable and verifiable evidence first. Or
accept the fact you are engaging in rationalization circle jerking.

Posted by: Brian at October 25, 2016 02:12 PM (z7tcM)

http://blackboxvoting.org/

Posted by: DFCtomm at October 25, 2016 03:04 PM (1u48m)

419 Please, impotently, rage some more. It's enjoyable.

Posted by: DFCtomm at October 25, 2016 03:02 PM (1u48m)

Glad you think it's funny that someone still cares about the damage that the "lets always fail" wing of the party always advocates. Lets face it: it's the establishments fault that you are a total loser. It has nothing to do with you spending your life on the web demanding that we tear down everything that you can't completely control, showing you have no understanding for the basics of the system that we are supposed to be engaging with instead of destroying. It's the "establishment's fault that you are a bitter little basement dweller who has failed yourself out of the system because you refuse to put the effort into actually using it. Electing an anti-democratic, honorless snake oil salesman will fix your personal dilemmas, it will have to because you are incapable of doing it yourself.
"I blame society" used to be a joke, it might as well be your campaign slogan. To be a man is -precisely- to take responsibility. That used to be what separated conservatives from the left and it used to be what separated adults from children. Even if you need a scapegoat, one would think you could do better than blaming it all on the "establishment".
That ragey enough for you?

Posted by: Poor ace. at October 25, 2016 04:04 PM (p8YKk)

420 That ragey enough for you?

Posted by: Poor ace. at October 25, 2016 04:04 PM (p8YKk)

No. MOAR! It's funny as hell, grandpa.

Posted by: DFCtomm at October 25, 2016 06:05 PM (fhbKW)

421 Posted by: DFCtomm at October 25, 2016 06:05 PM (fhbKW)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKIaS0lh-uo

Posted by: Poor ace. at October 25, 2016 07:43 PM (p8YKk)

422 We need to leave the two-party scheme behind and I look forward to an atomized Republican Party. A lifelong independent, Gallup had the independent share of the electorate pegged at 42% in January and there's a real opportunity for an independent majority before the next election cycle. The reconfigured Republican Party could divorce itself from the crony duopoly serving the crony/corrupt ruling class and gain supporters from independent ranks to replace evangelicals, racists, and more of the miserably uninformed who can't think for themselves. Leave the push button issues used to maintain an artificial political divide behind and focus on a reform agenda and a reform candidate whose main driving objective is the restoration of representative government, now a hollowed out shell. No more gerrymandering; it creates party lackeys who are reelected at an astonishing rate of 93% from their overwhelmingly red or blue districts. Term limits and half their time spent in the jurisdiction they represent is another needed reform. The FEC, now deadlocked by design to prevent electoral reforms with its 3 Dems and 3 Reps as commissioners, needs 3 new at-large commissioners that are representatives of the plurality that's been more or less disenfranchised -- 9 commissioners, no tie votes. The CPD needs to go, its reason for being is to prop up the corrupted two-party system. Tell the truth -- the bottom 90%, almost 300 million Americans have seen a 0% increase in real income and a decline from 35% to 21% of national wealth since 1986. About 300,000 Americans, the top 0.1%, have seen their share of national wealth more than triple from 7% to 23%, and the top 0.01%, about 30,000 Americans have received the lion's share of that. Because there's no comparison to US wealth and income inequality (and the health issues, social issues, and psychological havoc) among other developed countries, we can deduce that cronyism/corruption in business, government, politics, the media, and any other instrumentality needed to control the money, control the message, and control the people, it's a safe bet to conclude that we now are governed by a sophisticated and omnipresent plutocracy with disturbing characteristics of kratocracies and kleptocracies. All other issues fade into insignificance when we need our government back. As things now stand, a new Hedge Funds R Us store is soon to be opened in the Oval Office -- the principal wealth transfer engine that starved the bottom 90% to feed the top 0.1%.

Posted by: Creativenuisance at October 25, 2016 09:26 PM (4vTgJ)

423 Posted by: DFCtomm at October 25, 2016 06:05 PM (fhbKW)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKIaS0lh-uo

Posted by: Poor ace. at October 25, 2016 07:43 PM (p8YKk)
What's that suppose to mean to me grandpa? Your world is disappearing, and you rage, impotently, against it. You rage at me for destroying that which you failed to maintain. You are a fool and a joke.

Posted by: DFCtomm at October 26, 2016 03:06 PM (tvCLH)

424 Posted by: Poor ace. at October 25, 2016 07:43 PM (p8YKk)

Somebody famous said something once, let's see if I can remember it, since it seems to apply here. Oh yeah: You have a Republic if you can keep it. You didn't keep it, and now you're blaming the young whippersnappers for your failures.

Posted by: DFCtomm at October 26, 2016 06:34 PM (tvCLH)

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