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Hobbies/Life Changes Thread

Texas Zombie posted somethng I liked. Except for one thing. You'll know it when you see it.

Make a little game for yourself -- what sentence made Ace mad here?

But the rest of it is good.

Alright guys, help me out with something. I am so weary of this election, the SJWization of America, and our national politics in general. But I can't help myself, I consume a ridiculous amount of political news every day. And of course it is mostly depressing. And then I feel compelled to try and combat some of the ignorance by posting stuff on Facebook which let's face it mostly just pisses people off - including those in agreement - because they too are weary of all of this.

After the election I need to find some things to completely replace the time, effort, and mental energy I spend on politics. I need to just wash my hands and be done with it. At least for a while. I don't think my constant and compulsive refreshing of my browser tabs in hopes that there is some new news item available to be digested is healthy at all. Really need to quit this cold turkey. After the election of course. So help me think up some stuff to divert myself into - something to binge on rather than politics. (I don't want to ditch the HQ but maybe just come for the non political stuff like the medical monitoring and book thread.)

One thing that will make this hard is that a ton of my political consumption happens during the work day because I have a job that is compatible with that.

Here are some things I am thinking of doing to help shift my time and mental energy away from politics. Some big things and some little, symbolic things.

- Read more books. I have a ton of books that I have bought and not read because I spend too much time reading political stuff online. This is probably the single biggest/easiest way for me to shift brain power away from politics.

- Delete all political sites from my favorites. Symbolic but helpful.

- Throw myself into developing a love for a new sport. Maybe baseball. I have never been able to get into it but have been watching this years playoffs. For most of my life the only sport I have followed closely has been the NFL. Not sure I can develop a true passion for a new sport at this time in my life but maybe I can.

- Only carry my cell phone with me when I really need to have it. That way I can't just be constantly browsing on it. That's probably a good life change regardless.

- Ditch the smart phone and go back to a dumb cell phone. That seems like a radical change but maybe it's time.

- Take my kids on evening outings outside of the neighborhood. Find some local fishing holes and do some soul therapy with a rod and a reel.

- Sign up for a class of some kind. Learn a new language or take a cooking class or something.

- Take up a hobby. I just don't know what it would be though. Politics has been my hobby. I am worried that I won't be able to find something of equal interest to replace it with.

- Delete all my social media accounts. (Not a bad idea anyway.)

- Set up a couple of dedicated but inexpensive weekly gatherings with friends who aren't really political. Thursday night football at the local wing joint and whatnot.


What are some other things I can do to fill the void if I cut politics out of my life? Needs to be things that don't involve spending a crap ton of money like go to the gun range every day. Yeah, would love to do that, but I have kids and kids are pretty spendy so I don't have a lot of loose cash burning a hole in my pocket.

Also, anyone else feeling the same way about this? Anyone else ready to just say the hell with it - time to cut politics out of my life to the greatest extent possible?

This is what I'm trying, and what I've been advocating. I fail a lot -- I'm watching The New Season of Lame TV Shows again, despite my vow to stop.

And I'm not reading as much as I vowed. I'm reading, but not every night. It really needs to be an every-night thing.

I have picked up a new sport and am working on my GAINZZZ, as I might have mentioned once or twice in passing.

On the cellphone thing, I've never had a problem with this. I'm not one of those people who's always checking his cellphone, and I feel bad for people who do.

I think life is meant to be lived. I think human beings are meant to live in the three-dimensional world of air and light and breath and blood and not just reduce themselves to machines in the service of lesser machines. The cellphone is supposed to be aid to make living life easier, not a shackle that keeps your head bowed to it as life occurs in the background, while you're checking your newsfeeds and to see if you got Retweeted on twitter.

I think the right word is presence. You're supposed to be present in your own life, not someone who occasionally checks in on it while multitasking on Twitter.

I have a pretty unshakable habit that the phone is reserved for talking to people, making plans via IMs where I will see actual people, summoning Uber, and tracking my GAINZZZ.

When I'm out with people, the phone is not involved.

In fact, when i'm alone, the phone is also not involved. Apart from the uses I mention above, the only time I do social media or email on the phone is when I've turned off my computer to let it cool down and am looking for the next story to post.

Anyway, presence, not just physical presence, but actual mental, cognitive, perceptive presence in the real world, is, I think, a major key to using the human body and mind as they were intended to be used.

And I think absence from that world is what causes so much depression and stress in the current age.

I think the body and mind send subtle signals through emotions, and one of the signals they're sending is an aversion to self-imposed absence from the real world of challenge and miracles.

I think there's an internet-onset form of depression that is the body's and mind's (and spirit's) way of telling their owners: This is not the purpose for which we were made.

People think they're "connected" by their phones and social media accounts. Yes, they're "connected" to those things.

Do they ever pause to wonder what they've disconnected from in order to make those connections?

The other thing Texas Zombie mentions -- learning. A new language, a new sport, a new hobby. Chess, gardening, banzai grooming, fencing -- whatever.

I personally used to hate learning. I learned to hate learning as a child, because adults were bossing me around and forcing me to learn things I thought were boring.

But once you're an adult, if you can get over that early aversion to the process of learning, you get to learn the things you're really interested in, and kind of turns you on. (Mentally, I mean.)

And I have to say that learning is actually fun. Now that I'm learning again, I feel pretty lame for letting so many years lapse without learning.

It's actually a deeply satisfying thing. It feels right. It feels like there's some actual forward progress in your life. It feels something like illumination.

It's like GAINZZZ for your BRAINZZZ.

Anyway, while I don't like Texas Zombie's claim to delete all political sites from favorites, I do think everything else on his list is pretty good advice.

Now, I really have to stop watching the stupid zombie-habit shows I'm wasting my time with. Like I said I would do, but then, get this, did not do.


Posted by: Ace at 01:39 PM




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1 Did you go to the climbing gym, yet?

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2016 01:41 PM (i3c+H)

2 "Delete all political sites from my favorites" is the line that pissed you off since that includes your site.

Posted by: Servius at October 20, 2016 01:41 PM (SXIn9)

3 Ahhhhhh... a new thread for lunch.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 20, 2016 01:41 PM (i0ykY)

4 tl;dr

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 20, 2016 01:42 PM (LGcdt)

5 - Delete all political sites from my favorites.

---
He cain't quit you, Ace.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 20, 2016 01:42 PM (EnKk6)

6 th?

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 20, 2016 01:43 PM (LGcdt)

7 Yea, I'm close to just walking away from all of it. I'll still vote, but just won't care all that much. I honestly envy people like my wife that views elections like I look at football games.

I personally don't think it's going to go our way this time and we have some dark days ahead, but not sure what good being depressed and angry about it all the time is going to do for me.

Either God has a plan and is in control or he doesn't.

Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2016 01:43 PM (UW0g+)

8 I thought this was a smart military blog, not political.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at October 20, 2016 01:43 PM (ltI77)

9 >>>1 Did you go to the climbing gym, yet?
Posted by: garrett

I've not. I've been doing this other thing, which i've not wanted to mention.

Anyway, i'll mention it: I'm doing martial arts. I didn't want to say anything until I'd been at it long enough that I could tell you "I'm a gonna drive your nose back into your brain and kill you with a single strike" but whatever, that's a few weeks off yet, so there you go. There's my secret. I'm now a student of martial arts.

Posted by: ace at October 20, 2016 01:44 PM (dciA+)

10 Yeah,we can try to walk away.Will the Left let us walk away?

Posted by: steevy at October 20, 2016 01:45 PM (fA75F)

11 I do like the idea of disconnecting my TV, except for very limited content. Mostly NHL, Biesbol and the Discovery and Military channels.

The Grumpy Grandma will have none of that talk.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 20, 2016 01:45 PM (i0ykY)

12 Which martial art?

Posted by: Mega at October 20, 2016 01:45 PM (sarFG)

13 Your Ewok Style is no match for Soothsayer's Monkey Fucking Style!

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2016 01:45 PM (i3c+H)

14 What kind, Ace? Close quarters combat, longswords, ninjia, thuggee?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 20, 2016 01:45 PM (EnKk6)

15 anyway, with doing martial arts 3-5 days per week, I just haven't really had the off time to do climbing.

plus, i figure, if i lose a bit more weight, and get my strength to weight ratio a little more favorable, it would be better for climbing anyway.

I definitely will do it. Just spending most of my time doing martial arts now.

Posted by: ace at October 20, 2016 01:46 PM (dciA+)

16 The heater control went out on my car. So I will be doing some forced hobby time in the garage. It looks like they hang the control and build the dash around it on the assembly line so fun stuff ahead.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 20, 2016 01:46 PM (tf9Ne)

17 I've made a hobby of coffee. I've also long been fascinated by health and fitness. I'm looking at buying a fat bike (Google it). I think that would be a great fitness alternative for winter and get me into the fresh air, which is great for the spirit.

Posted by: Northernlurker at October 20, 2016 01:46 PM (aCNZ6)

18 You'll love martial arts. You will stand better and walk better. It's a great confidence booster. But it hurts.

Posted by: Mega at October 20, 2016 01:46 PM (sarFG)

19 Shop. Learn to play bridge. Plan the revolution.

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at October 20, 2016 01:46 PM (wgFcF)

20 Either God has a plan and is in control or he doesn't.





Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2016 01:43 PM (UW0g+)

Amen! I remind myself constantly that my citizenship is in Heaven. This world is not my final destination.

Posted by: California Girl at October 20, 2016 01:47 PM (Pt5D1)

21 Is it karate, the Dane Cook of martial arts?

Posted by: dinnesdale at October 20, 2016 01:47 PM (M4VuK)

22 i don't get it. are you saying you like taylor swift or not?

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 20, 2016 01:47 PM (WTSFk)

23 Careful, Ace.

For one with your proclivities, that path is as narrow as a blade.

Posted by: Zombie David Carradine at October 20, 2016 01:47 PM (i3c+H)

24 Ace's kung-fu style is The Way of the Ewok. Very stealthy and furry.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at October 20, 2016 01:47 PM (RD7QR)

25 T Zombie is right BUT..... to recuse from politics is to let the bastards have carte blanche to run their scummy game over the rest of us.

Ignorance is bliss, but once the mask is off, you can't unknow just what evil cretins ae in charge of us, and truly despise us

Posted by: Tradd at October 20, 2016 01:48 PM (GSJcT)

26 Seriously: Don't take up a martial art that rewards you with a belt, is what I'm trying to say.

Posted by: Zombie David Carradine at October 20, 2016 01:48 PM (i3c+H)

27 >>>12 Which martial art?
Posted by: Mega

i don't want to say due to anonymity concerns.

Let's just say I picked one of the classics because...

well, I was looking at krav maga, or MMA, or BJJ, and they all seemed to me to be better directed at just teaching you what you needed to win a fight.

Without all the bullshit phiolosophy and tradition and extraneous bits that have little to do with kicking ass.

but I realized I WANT that bullshit. If i'm going to do this, I want it to be an *experience*, not just learning how to fight. Let's face it, I'm probably not actually going to get into a fight, so the "bullshit" is kind of welcome, at least to me.

So without getting into specifics, I'm doing one of the classics, or a form of it.

not one of the more modern, probably-more-efficient-about-teaching-you-to-win-a-fight forms.

Posted by: ace at October 20, 2016 01:48 PM (dciA+)

28 I'm now a student of martial arts.

Posted by: ace at October 20, 2016 01:44 PM (dciA+)

Good for you! I think you'll really like it if you're not doing it to be some kinda 'tough guy'. Taught correctly, it's a mental discipline developed through physical discipline.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 20, 2016 01:49 PM (i0ykY)

29 It's the Thursday night football wing night thing, right?
You're anti chicken wings, right?

Posted by: redsweater at October 20, 2016 01:49 PM (IMo04)

30 >>>
For one with your proclivities, that path is as narrow as a blade.
Posted by: Zombie David Carradine

see that's the kind of bullshit I just mentioned that I affirmatively want.

Posted by: ace at October 20, 2016 01:49 PM (dciA+)

31 Ace learned taekwondo at the Y.

Posted by: Lea at October 20, 2016 01:49 PM (lIU4e)

32 It looks like they hang the control and build the dash around it on the assembly line so fun stuff ahead.


Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 20, 2016 01:46 PM (tf9Ne)

I pity you. I remember my first car a Reliant K (don't hurt yourself laughing). It looked like they dumped the parts under the hood and gave a good stir. Horrible thing to work on. But it was a gift, so what can I say?

Posted by: California Girl at October 20, 2016 01:49 PM (Pt5D1)

33 I personally don't think it's going to go our way this time and we have some dark days ahead, but not sure what good being depressed and angry about it all the time is going to do for me.



I'm going to dust off all of my old Y2k manuals & stuff. Water storage & preservation, food storage, tools, etc.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2016 01:49 PM (CJOtA)

34 I'm doing MUCH more reading now, have basically eschewed TV, and my next project is to learn Spanish and finally complete another Sestina. I'm going to have to swear off politics for a while no matter who wins: too time-consuming, too hard on my mental health.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at October 20, 2016 01:50 PM (RD7QR)

35 What about those who are, what's the word, apathetic?

I'm just not interested in anything anymore. Politics fills the void, but it's toxic and something I want to move off of quickly, especially if Hillary wins.

Constantly refreshing AOS and Breitbart and rage stroking at troll comments doesn't strike me as a healthy way to live, but all the usual caveats (volunteering, hobbies) just don't interest me. I'm really numb these days.

I think getting a dog would help though, but I've been having the worst luck (tried shelters, rescues, breeders to find a nice dog that's low maintenance and fits my laid back lifestyle. Been the most aggravating experience ever, with no sign at all that I'll ever find the right dog.)


I sad now.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at October 20, 2016 01:50 PM (bH+An)

36 I have been an ardent disciple of the martial arts, since age 13.

I study Ching Chang Pow.


*sound of 1911 slide being racked, followed by shot*



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX




Posted by: Jim at October 20, 2016 01:50 PM (v5iqM)

37 personally, i'm not a big fan. i'm all for her and i think she's very talented, but i don't think i've listened to any of her songs. she is pretty.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 20, 2016 01:51 PM (WTSFk)

38 ... taylor swift...

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 20, 2016 01:51 PM (WTSFk)

39 T Zombie is right BUT..... to recuse from politics is to let the bastards have carte blanche to run their scummy game over the rest of us.

Ignorance is bliss, but once the mask is off, you can't unknow just what evil cretins ae in charge of us, and truly despise us
Posted by: Tradd




I don't think anyone should stop voting and take themselves out of the political process, I just don't think it's a good idea to base so much of your happiness and well being off the stupidity of the American electorate.

I had sort on unplugged after 2012, just got back into it when i saw the country seemed to be rejecting Obama in a big way in 2014 and looked like things were turning the corner.


I honestly believe a different candidate could have beat Hillary, but not sure it really would have mattered when you even had people like Ted Cruz talking about doubling immigration.

Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2016 01:52 PM (UW0g+)

40 is this the taylor swift or not taylor swift thread?


oops, my bad!

:-D

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 20, 2016 01:52 PM (WTSFk)

41 Ace - are you giving up squats?

Say it isn't so!

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at October 20, 2016 01:52 PM (mFA3Z)

42 Pro Tip : Don't bring your anger into the Dojo.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2016 01:52 PM (i3c+H)

43 I like the cut of your jib, Jim, but why be a piker, I quite prefer the martial art of snick, snack, BOOM with my favorite milsurp bolt action.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2016 01:52 PM (cgyEk)

44 "Take my kids on evening outings outside of the neighborhood. "

Ace hates this, because he is stalking TX zombie and this makes things more difficult than just peering through the windows?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable at October 20, 2016 01:53 PM (GX63o)

45 A quick reminder for Carolina Horde early voting started in NC today.

On my way to vote I was surprised by two things. First how much of Eastern NC is still flooded we still have 20k people in shelters.

I vote in the same building as the local chapter of the Red Cross the still need dry goods to feed all the folks in these shelters.

The second thing that surprised me was turn out the machine I fed my ballot into was already over 500 votes by 11am.

I live in a very rural area I doubt we have 10k registered voters in our area. To be at 500 votes in the first 3 hours of early voting tells me that at least here we are going to have pretty high turn out.

Posted by: Big V at October 20, 2016 01:53 PM (maBJJ)

46 I having been thinking I need to disconnect myself from politics for quite a while now, and this election cycle feels like it has been 4 years long (maybe because it has been 4 years long). What I am going to do is focus more on my family and being prepared for the continuing disaster that an H presidency will give us.

The only drawback to withdrawing from keeping up with the political stuff is that sooner or later, not paying attention will allow things to sneak up behind you without your knowledge and catch you unaware. That bothers me.

Posted by: IdahoTransplant at October 20, 2016 01:53 PM (iMpA4)

47 Ace, at the risk of appearing sarcastic, this is extraordinarily bad marketing, however altruistic it may be. I agree with the sentiment, though. I've followed your blog and a few others consistently for about ten years, and it may be time to hang it up. I've enjoyed it, but most reasonable people would agree that we all have virtually unlimited opportunities to spend our time more constructively, especially in light of what's happening and how the macro environment is likely to change when this is over. Just not sure I want to participate - however marginally - in any of this any longer.

Posted by: Sirius the Canine Pundit at October 20, 2016 01:53 PM (LBO1U)

48 I make lists, and I shovel.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 20, 2016 01:53 PM (QQ+il)

49 My new hobby is looking for a job. I mean, one that pays. I quit my horrid job over a year ago, and now California Man says the budget is requiring that I return to work. Too bad for him, because my latest hobby has been cooking up new and delicious dishes in the kitchen.

Posted by: California Girl at October 20, 2016 01:53 PM (Pt5D1)

50 I'm getting fluent in Spanish and learning German.

Posted by: Czar Peter at October 20, 2016 01:54 PM (otvCR)

51 From what I gather (having no martial arts experience other than dabbling in HEMA), one of the benefits of martial arts is being aware of your physical surroundings.

Our more primitive selves pick up a lot from sound, smell, changes in air pressure, flickers of something caught in the periphery of our vision. Sitting in front of a screen all day, which is what I do, makes me focus to much on sight and my own thoughts. Good to focus outward for 360 degrees. When the weather is good I like to get outside in nature just to give my other senses something fun to do.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 20, 2016 01:55 PM (EnKk6)

52 >>>I'm just not interested in anything anymore. Politics fills the void, but it's toxic and something I want to move off of quickly, especially if Hillary wins.

here's the thing: You need a minimum level of knowledge about something to be interested. if you don't know baseball, watching baseball is boring. If you don't know auto racing, NASCAR is boring.

Once you know enough about the thing, you understand it and can anticipate what success or failure look like, and that makes it interesting.

Politics is naturally interesting to politics junkies because it's something they know and have a handle on.

However, a one month investment in most subjects will give you the minimum effective dose of knowledge necessary to have an interest in that thing, and follow it.

I was bored by health stuff, for example, until I read 3 books which gave me enough of a working familiarity with it that I became broadly interested in it.

Posted by: ace at October 20, 2016 01:55 PM (dciA+)

53 I'm using Duolingo to learn Portugese (although I wish they had European rather than Brazilian).

I'm also trying to slog through Summa Theologica when not reading Warhammer 40k & Clancy\Thor\Flynn

Posted by: Iblis at October 20, 2016 01:56 PM (9221z)

54 Well, we've got Russia circling around with a fleet of ships in the English Channel, so it is rather difficult to stray from the news for long lapses.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 20, 2016 01:56 PM (CFc5L)

55 Throw myself into developing a love for a new sport.

I'm thinking this. Could also be the Facebook stuff.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 20, 2016 01:56 PM (4ErVI)

56 >>>Good to focus outward for 360 degrees.

And sometimes, to focus *inward,* Daniel-San.

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 01:56 PM (dciA+)

57 The second thing that surprised me was turn out the machine I fed my ballot into was already over 500 votes by 11am.

I live in a very rural area I doubt we have 10k registered voters in our area. To be at 500 votes in the first 3 hours of early voting tells me that at least here we are going to have pretty high turn out.



Or, the boxes are being stuffed.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2016 01:57 PM (CJOtA)

58 Oh I read a little bit still, history and biography, a little fiction (not as much as years ago). I do some writing, haven't done that for awhile, but haven't had the desire to put anything down.

Some sailing in the summer on evenings (Sailfish sailboat) and late spring, summer, and early fall weekends are filled up with USCG Aux patrols. The house has also been keeping me busy.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Exclusive! AoSHQ Barrel Survival and Escape Kits by Acme! at October 20, 2016 01:57 PM (hLRSq)

59 Hobbies I have to distract me from eight years of Obama that will probably come in handy with a Hillary administration:

1. Gardening - never thought I'd like it. I love it. It's relaxing and fruitful - literally.

2. Walking - I used to jog but it started killing my ankles and knees, which suffer from an insanely loud case of crepitus.

3. Swimming - nothing better to do on a hot but sunny day. Allows me to be outdoors for a long time and not sweat to death. Great cardio and no impact.

4. Hanging out - yes, just hanging out with friends or even other people. I, like Ace, noticed that presence is important. I don't do things "online" anymore if the option to do it in person is available. I don't draft my fantasy team online anymore; I join the group in person, even though that means I have to drive 45 minutes to do so.

I don't buy or borrow books on Kindle. I actually go the physical library and check them out.

I don't buy online unless necessary. I would rather go to the store and shop.

Basically, I tried to exercise more and interact with other people more. It really helps a lot.

Posted by: MacGruber at October 20, 2016 01:57 PM (C278+)

60 I can't quit politics because it affects so much of everything else in life. But by dialing it down after the election, and having quit watching the NFL, I am now free to accomplish two things:

(1) Finish the renovations to my house, and

(2) Finish the novel. For which, by the way, the dedication page is already written, and includes a dedication to Ace and the Moron Horde.

Wish me luck...

Posted by: Qoheleth at October 20, 2016 01:57 PM (iIzG7)

61 I was picking up some archery stuff at Cabelas and saw a Fat Bike as mentioned above. Shocked at the price I looked a little closer. Saw that it had an electric drive setup on it. That should make the biking a lot more fun but less gainz probably .

http://preview.tinyurl.com/jhyjwv4

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 20, 2016 01:57 PM (tf9Ne)

62 But you know I don't think you'd really need to get rid of Facebook entirely. You can make it private and just linked to immediate family.

Unless your family is full of barking moonbats, that is. Then just get rid of it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 20, 2016 01:58 PM (4ErVI)

63 I think the key to the zombie tv shows is to not just be watching the show. I mean if you're exercising or eating dinner then what it matter what you've got on tv.

Posted by: Buzzion at October 20, 2016 01:58 PM (NWK4R)

64
36
I have been an ardent disciple of the martial arts, since age 13.



I study Ching Chang Pow.





*sound of 1911 slide being racked, followed by shot*







Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX











Posted by: Jim at October 20, 2016 01:50 PM (v5iqM)









*fistbump*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 20, 2016 01:58 PM (LuZz8)

65 What can I do?

Probably a better job of rearing my kids.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 20, 2016 01:58 PM (ibGoc)

66 Nice post. Somewhere in there you single guys should be working on some sport fucking. When you get older the shit is not as attractive and is more work.



It's Cuffing season, go grab some pussy. I denounce myself.




http://tinyurl.com/z5evlv3

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 20, 2016 01:58 PM (NbJXF)

67 I'm thinking Ace is in the middle of a Karate Kid Marathon.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2016 01:58 PM (i3c+H)

68 within the first paragraph...

posting stuff on facebook

(it'd be this for me)

Posted by: concrete girl at October 20, 2016 01:58 PM (+THr2)

69 I went to the Albuquerque International Balloon Festival, and it was fucking awesome. I helped to inflate a balloon, and got a chance to go up. Of course I didn't go, I'm crazy not stupid.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 20, 2016 01:58 PM (6Ll1u)

70 I am planning on learning Latin. My best friend is using a dvd series to teach her little brood of homeschooled yunguns. She's going to loan me the dvds and all I need to do is buy the workbook. (And do the work, of course.) At least I'll have someone who will understand me when I try to use it.

Posted by: California Girl at October 20, 2016 01:58 PM (Pt5D1)

71 After this election, I will re-immerse myself in doing exactly the opposite of what our ruling class intends for us, and that is to become as aware as I can and to not being compliant.

I intend to place politics and ideology(s) at a lower level in my priority list - way down, as a matter of fact and as a part of my quest to find awareness, to look at everything from a perspective of rationality and logic. (I too, have been reading, you see.)

I don't actually see any new hobbies on the horizon though I'd like to start flying again. I lost my medical years ago and I'm thinking about getting that back, if I can afford the expense.

I do believe that there are the murmurings of an awakening going on in the world and I intend to hitch my wagon to that if it is indeed a 'movement'. We'll see.

And though this election has sucked some of it out of me, I am committed to living a life of as much positivity as I can.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 20, 2016 01:58 PM (4ng05)

72 In all seriousness, Ace, you might try picking up the shooting arts despite your urban location. It is much more fun than golf and the concentration required to be good at it blocks virtually all other thoughts. You learn, like Nuke LaLoush, to block any external distractions including the guy firing a muzzle breaked large bore rifle in the stall next to you.

And you get literally measurable metrics of improvement when you look at your targets. Last, but not least, it may be a handy skill in the not to distant future.

On the other hand, if you tend to get depressed, just read any book about life during the Black Plague, the epidemic of Spanish Flu in 1918-19, any detailed book about war, any current foreign news about life in the Middle East, and your mood will pick up pretty soon--at least things are not that bad yet here.

Posted by: whig at October 20, 2016 01:59 PM (cgyEk)

73 Ditch the smart phone and go back to a dumb cell phone. That seems like a radical change but maybe it's time.

I had an almost smart phone and it gave me a headache, so I went back to the flip phone.

And I experience all kinds of phone-shaming over it.

(My BF has NO cell phone, LOL the cheap bastid.)

Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2016 01:59 PM (nNdYv)

74 Some people studied kung fu, I studied tire tool.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 20, 2016 01:59 PM (QQ+il)

75 And sometimes, to focus *inward,* Daniel-San.

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 01:56 PM (dciA+)
---
My inner life is a tad too rich. It's a mansion with many rooms, some of them dungeons.

Time to step outside and play in the sunshine.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 20, 2016 02:00 PM (EnKk6)

76 I'm focused on grad school at the moment. But I'm trying to learn a bit of Russian in my spare time and I need to pick up the violin or mandolin again

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 20, 2016 02:00 PM (R/qhb)

77 Was it this sentence?

>>>Anyone else ready to just say the hell with it - time to cut politics out of my life to the greatest extent possible?

Politics is like the sewer system. Most of the time you hope it just functions without your having to be aware of it. But when it backs up and makes the place unsanitary, you *have* to pay attention to it. You can't just "cut it out" of your life like Caitlyn Jenner cutting off his dick. You can't cut it out entirely. You must merely detect and tune out the liberal bs. That is the extent of "cutting out" that is morally permissible.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 20, 2016 02:00 PM (iFgwk)

78 Cars were my big hobby, I even have a lift in the garage and a huge tool collection.

Had some classic cars I loved working on, problem is, they eat up a huge amount of time and having young kids, didn't think it was fair taking away weekends from them so I sold everything but my motorcycle.

Plan to jump back in when they're older.

Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2016 02:00 PM (UW0g+)

79 >>>Ace, at the risk of appearing sarcastic, this is extraordinarily bad marketing, however altruistic it may be.

I am aware.

But indulgences aren't to be completely eradicated. No one is completely giving up the internet, and most shouldn't. People like the internet, or this place, for a reason.

But it probably would be a good idea for people to prioritize what makes them happy, and also, what they're not doing which they suspect might make them happier than the stuff they're doing now.

I really need only a couple of clicks a day from people to keep traffic up. I don't think my advertisers care much about the tenth or twentieth click. It's just the first few they care about.

anyway, I sure don't want people walking away from the site but I can't help saying what I think, which is just, generally, more time spent in real life will probably cure a lot of Computer Blues.

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 02:00 PM (dciA+)

80 I usually do love to read books but I go through phases where no matter how good a book is, I can't seem to get into it. So I've started watching some old Twilight Zone episodes on Netflix because at least that show makes you think.

I've been wanting to do a full interior and exterior detailing of my car ever since I bought it from my dad back in January of this year. I've been slowly buying supplies for the job. I think I'm going to do a full wash and wax this weekend.

I recently got all the brake dust off the wheels but now I want to take the wheels off the car and get all the brake dust out of the barrels of the wheels because I want them to look really nice. It's a Honda so I plan to keep it for a long time and I want to keep it looking nice.

I'm debating with myself whether to clean the cloth interior myself or have a professional do it. From my research I've concluded that a hot water extractor is the best way to get the interior as clean as possible. The problem is a good one is going to set me back over 1000 dollars.

Posted by: Independent George at October 20, 2016 02:00 PM (BDZWU)

81 I recommend game nights with family and friends (can never go wrong with Catan and Munchkin!)

Also, finding a trivia night at a local restaurant/pub.

And dodgeball is always fun.

Just a few things that I've done over the past however long it's been and has resulted in far more laughs and fun then I ever imagined.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at October 20, 2016 02:00 PM (WuRdh)

82 My daughter was cleaning out a closet, and found my quilting stuff-I haven't touched it since we left Poland in 2009. Pulling out a ton of gorgeous, and expensive, fabric has motivated me to get back to it. I used to produce three or four large quilts a year-since I make them entirely by hand. I have a phobia of sewing machines from sewing through my finger as a little kid.

So. in addition to finished up the first book I have been working on, I intend to start cutting and piecing a couple of new quilts.

Posted by: Moki at October 20, 2016 02:00 PM (VnCI9)

83 Wherever you are, be there.

Posted by: Funny name goes here at October 20, 2016 02:00 PM (/CXhS)

84 I don't have Facebook etc so that's not a problem.
I have a lot of projects I've started that I need to finish but I'm not going to do them today. It's beautiful outside and I'm going to go outside and deadhead and listen to music.

My projects waiting for me are organizing the plans for the ranches into labeled tubes.
Make fig jam with all the figs.
Make tomato sauce and can it.
Learn Spanish.
Organize the wine in the cellar. (I need shelves for this)
Organize my closet.
I'm lazy, I'd rather sit outside with a book. And my iPad.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:01 PM (Q5Ymk)

85 52 ace

I agree with Scott Adams that you can probably learn a little. It about anything in a couple hours. Read a book or two and you know even more. I believe anyone is capable of working knowledge on just about my subject in a relatively short period of time with focused study.

Posted by: Czar Peter at October 20, 2016 02:01 PM (otvCR)

86
One of the things that I found out about having kids is they become your hobby, at least for me, their interests become mine almost out of necessity. Finding wind down time is really difficult except for the damn boob tube which is so easy.

But I have learned I like to tinker with stuff, just to see how they work, or see if I can fix it. I think this counts as learning. I wish I knew of this aptitude or interest when I was younger, was just never exposed to it. My Dad only let me hold the dumb end of the measuring tape.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 20, 2016 02:01 PM (ODxAs)

87

good post

politics has always been nasty, so giving oneself to it as much as some seem to is very unhealthy.


1 - get outside
2 - help someone out who needs it
3 - take care of yourself
4 - love your family



Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 20, 2016 02:01 PM (qCMvj)

88 i'm listening to sports radio and music instead of talk shows.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, gird up your loins, this is not the time to go wobbly at October 20, 2016 02:01 PM (0O7c5)

89 >If you don't know auto racing, NASCAR is boring.

There are things to know about auto racing other than cars drive fast in a circle/watch for crashes? Who knew.

I always take breaks from politics post election. This year I mostly started post primaries...although I've been dragged back in this week.

Posted by: Lea at October 20, 2016 02:01 PM (lIU4e)

90 This thread is really interesting - I've found myself so depressed by the US Election that I really don't want to have anything to do with politics anymore.

It's all about personal betterment this winter. This summer I golfed like a fiend and got a lot better.

It's sad to leave that part of my life behind, but quite liberating as well. So there's that. Not my circus, not my monkeys, as the Polish say.

Posted by: Lurker primus at October 20, 2016 02:01 PM (B3qs7)

91 I've adopted a form of self-exile. No newspapers, no magazines, no network programs, no movies, no FB or Twitter. Local news programs only. A very small circle of friends. No discussions of politics with anyone. Sports events but no sports programs.

I read a huge number of books - mostly history - but my main interest is classical music, exploring the rich heritage of orchestral, chamber and vocal works which we've been bequeathed.

Madame and I raise and show dogs; she's one of the top breeders of Borzoi in the country. I've been toying with pursuing a license to judge at AKC shows; certainly I can't be worse than many I see.

Meanwhile, keeping up the house, kennel, 15 dogs and 4 acres takes up a lot of time otherwise spent brooding over the state of affairs.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at October 20, 2016 02:02 PM (BWL+E)

92

You forgot, try fapping yourself into a coma.


Last night I dreamed I was Jerry Seinfeld and I was having a three-way with Elaine Benes and a blonde chick in the middle of a dirt road in the desert. Seriously. It was erotic.

Posted by: Sphynx at October 20, 2016 02:02 PM (OZmbA)

93 >>> In all seriousness, Ace, you might try picking up the shooting arts despite your urban location.

I'm doing that too, but more casually, as a fun, occasional thing. I'm not going at it like martial arts.

but I do enjoy it.

well, it is frustrating. Shooting seems simple, but is in fact hard. (Martial arts has an advantage on this count: It doesn't SEEM simple, so you don't get frustrated at not making that shot.)

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 02:03 PM (dciA+)

94 I've been ignoring the NFL for the most part, made easier by the fact that I was a Jets fan. I've gone back to being a big fan of baseball, and the lefties aren't trying to ruin that much since lefties tend to like baseball too.

When taking on a new hobby or diversion, it's best to take up one that doesn't involve mass media or social media because the Left believes that EVERYTHING must be political, and the Left owns mass media and social media.

I've found fun little diversions like old Star Trek episodes and classical music. I even combined them last night by listening to Star Trek TOS scores and listening for what classical music influenced those scores. For instance, the music that the Green Lady dances to is definitely derived from Ravel's Bolero.

I went to sleep watching a classical pianist play Claire de Lune

One nice thing about classical music; Mozart isn't going to stop in the middle of a symphony to give a political rant.

Posted by: kbdabear at October 20, 2016 02:03 PM (Ya7zs)

95 Ace - If you need to work on your Donkey Punch...

Call. Me.

Posted by: Hope Solo at October 20, 2016 02:03 PM (i3c+H)

96 Music. Have taken up guitar again with the help of youtube and various other free sites. That and devoting time to finishing up the myriad projects around the house.

Posted by: Smitty27 at October 20, 2016 02:03 PM (g9d8D)

97 I gave up my smart phone a couple of years ago and replaced it with a dumb phone that I don't even carry. I'll probably keep it only because the boss wants me to have it.

I am seriously thinking about delving more into the dark web and cutting as many more lines of communications into the UN sponsored and monitored internet as possible. Though I've never been too terribly concerned about privacy, my sense of what can and will in the future, happen with my information is making me at least muse over a life off grid.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 20, 2016 02:04 PM (4ng05)

98 I like the idea of reading the unopened books one already owns. I could get a very good education this winter just by hunkering down with all the history books on my shelves.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 20, 2016 02:04 PM (EnKk6)

99 I tried cooking but that didn't go so well. It's hard as crap (for me) to bake and roast without overcooking. I'm pretty good on the grill but pretty clueless with the oven. Never thought it could be that hard.

Posted by: MacGruber at October 20, 2016 02:04 PM (C278+)

100 "I think life is meant to be lived. I think human beings are meant to live in the three-dimensional world of air and light and breath and blood and not just reduce themselves to machines in the service of lesser machines."

I totally agree.

Unfortunately, there's a segment of the population out there that won't let us just do that and won't leave us alone unless we submit to their social, cultural, and ideological beliefs.

And if we don't submit to those beliefs, they will attempt to destroy us.

That is what is going on now, and will accelerate if the SheBeast wins. We are at the point where we can no longer ignore them.

They must be dealt with.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 20, 2016 02:04 PM (Idu2i)

101 Baking is fun.

Or at least getting baked is.

Posted by: Johnson 2016 at October 20, 2016 02:04 PM (jPoCB)

102 >>Either God has a plan and is in control or he doesn't. Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2016 01:43 PM (UW0g+)

Zod has a plan. He is not in control. Soon.

Posted by: General Zod at October 20, 2016 02:05 PM (Bdeb0)

103 So many projects.

- Editing the living hell out Worlds Apart Book 12. It's the end of the series. It has to be pitch-perfect.

- Renovating a 100 year old church where I live. I met a handyman today who said he could help with jobs that are too small for a contractor, which most of what we want to do is. There's just a whole bunch of them stretching 2-3 years into the future.

- I have discovered I really, really like firearms.

- Thinking of taking Krav Maga next year.

- Next year, I am taking the first of several "Bucket List" trips by spending two weeks in Alaska. Subsequently, we're planning to travel to Ireland, Iceland, Chile. and I don't know what other spots to put on my bucket list.

Posted by: V the K at October 20, 2016 02:05 PM (O7MnT)

104 I don't watch much tv anymore. I used to watch Fox News SR, but about a year ago I quit because all I did was get angry. I do watch The Last Ship and Longmire, but I get the dvds from Netflix. Fly fishing, trapshooting, bicycle riding, reading, cutting firewood, beekeeping, following a few sites like Ace, Takimag, American Thinker, those are things I do now.

Posted by: Frank at October 20, 2016 02:05 PM (TRTXM)

105 Well I couldn't escape from politics even if I wanted to as I'm at bigly central until after the election.

You'll see my handy work on Election Day.

Anyway, you need to learn a musical instrument, a foreign language and improve your diet and exercise regimens which will entail you having to give up television which is probably the biggest time suck in existence.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 20, 2016 02:05 PM (KEmdP)

106 >>>67 I'm thinking Ace is in the middle of a Karate Kid Marathon.


when I said I was "doing martial arts," of course I just meant I was watching Karate Kid movies and all of the Kung Fu series on Netflix.

But you pick up a lot from that!!!!

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 02:05 PM (dciA+)

107 My goal is to watch the Red Dead Redemption 2 trailer over and over again. Block out all other media. Then when the game comes out, engage in marathon session until I die sitting in front of the TV. Naked.

Posted by: wooga at October 20, 2016 02:05 PM (LlZ3d)

108 The heater control went out on my car. So I will be doing some forced hobby time in the garage. It looks like they hang the control and build the dash around it on the assembly line so fun stuff ahead.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 20, 2016 01:46 PM (tf9Ne)

You drive a Volvo? That used to be the joke about the 240 series; they take a heater core, and then build a car around it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 20, 2016 02:05 PM (CUYn5)

109 >>I am seriously thinking about delving more into the dark web and cutting
as many more lines of communications into the UN sponsored and
monitored internet as possible.<<


You probably should. Look what the media did to Ken Bone. Now imagine what people know what they are doing could do...

Posted by: MacGruber at October 20, 2016 02:06 PM (C278+)

110 >>I'm pretty good on the grill but pretty clueless with the oven. Never thought it could be that hard.


Get an in-oven thermometer.

Learn about altitude and its effect on baking/roasting.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2016 02:06 PM (i3c+H)

111 Yup.

Like cutting the cable cord, unplugging from politics makes life better. Reading, writing, watching movies, even (God forgive the waste of my life) video games are less aggravating uses of my time.

The problem comes when politics intrudes on my life. Which, if you ignore it completely, happens. We are at the mercy of those who show up and they do not always (or ever) mean us well.

But yeah, focusing on stuff you actually like and actually want to do is better than getting angry at second hand all the time. This election has made people lose their mind from time to time.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 20, 2016 02:06 PM (sh70B)

112 Now, I really have to stop watching the stupid zombie-habit shows I'm wasting my time with. Like I said I would do, but then, get this, did not do.

---------


Ehhh, just watch Impractical Jokers. Laugh your ass off and it's practically always on.

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at October 20, 2016 02:06 PM (/D5Lf)

113 Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 20, 2016 02:01 PM (ODxAs)
I hope all the parents are enjoying their children. I'm an empty nester stay at home mother. They grow so quickly. Then they leave.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:06 PM (Q5Ymk)

114 I think all of Texas Zombie's ideas are just great. I love politics and I have to follow it for work purposes so it's not possible to cut it out entirely for me. I have limited my online reading to just a few sites though and stopped commenting on all of them. This place is the exception and the only one I comment at anymore.

I started a very cool new hobby/ activity thing that I am just loving. I am handwriting letters to two people. It's morphed into a big thing where I'm learning penmanship all over again bc my handwriting is terrible! I did not know this until I wrote my first letter bc I type everything and the only thing I write is my signature. Also, now the letters have taken on a life of their own. I am buying stationary for the first time to make my letters pretty and then I wanted to make them interesting and cool so they have evolved into a form of mail art of sorts.

Anyway, I am having so much fun with this and it keeps me in touch with my two best friends which is nice. They're also having fun and we get competitive to see who can come up with the better letter. I highly recommend it.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 20, 2016 02:07 PM (6IPEM)

115 "Unfortunately, there's a segment of the population out there that won't
let us just do that and won't leave us alone unless we submit to their
social, cultural, and ideological beliefs."


"You may not be interested in politics; however, politics is very much interested in you."

That's why I can't quit entirely. What I wouldn't give to downsize government back to the point where most people could live a life with a minimum of interaction with government and government interference...

Posted by: Qoheleth at October 20, 2016 02:07 PM (iIzG7)

116 Jerry wouldn't do a threesome.He doesn't want to become an "orgy guy".

Posted by: steevy at October 20, 2016 02:07 PM (fA75F)

117 My happiness has increased fivefold by firing "Morning Joe" and replacing it with "Morning Drive" on Golf Channel. LT, Cara, and Paige McKenize >>>> Mika and her table of nitwits. It's so pleasant not to be yelling at the television at 6:30 am.

Posted by: Plott Hound at October 20, 2016 02:07 PM (5I436)

118

What difference, at this point, does it make?!?!?!/11!??11/1/!??

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 20, 2016 02:07 PM (HSmrB)

119 I like the idea of reading the unopened books one already owns. I could get a very good education this winter just by hunkering down with all the history books on my shelves.
Posted by: All Hail Eris,



I pirate the hell out of books, it's incredibly easy. It's like a megabyte a book.

As far as I'm concerned, it's the modern day library. And I don't like giving the publishing industry any of my money.

Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2016 02:07 PM (UW0g+)

120 Ace: "Anyway, while I don't like Texas Zombie's claim to delete all political sites from favorites, I do think everything else on his list is pretty good advice."

I thought the HQ was a smart military blog. I'm not planning on deleting smart military blogs from my favs.

Posted by: Texas Zombie at October 20, 2016 02:07 PM (SUtNI)

121 Quadcopters.
I have gone thru 3 so far.

Posted by: navybrat at October 20, 2016 02:07 PM (w7KSn)

122 A point of order, shooting is a martial art.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 20, 2016 02:07 PM (R/qhb)

123 >>Jerry wouldn't do a threesome.He doesn't want to become an "orgy guy".


I'd have to get a whole new wardrobe!

Posted by: Jerry at October 20, 2016 02:07 PM (i3c+H)

124 Thought it was the NFL mention you hated.

Posted by: Guest of the Scotts at October 20, 2016 02:07 PM (jcDVs)

125
CNBC Breaking News - Jeff Bezos says Trump's comments erode out democracy. But admitted voter fraud is totes okay

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 20, 2016 02:08 PM (493sH)

126 Unfortunately, there's a segment of the population out there that won't
let us just do that and won't leave us alone unless we submit to their
social, cultural, and ideological beliefs."

"You may not be interested in politics; however, politics is very much interested in you."

That's why I can't quit entirely. What I wouldn't give to downsize government back to the point where most people could live a life with a minimum of interaction with government and government interference...

Posted by: Qoheleth






It must be nice to be a liberal, if you lose, you get to simply be left alone.

Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2016 02:08 PM (UW0g+)

127 I'm now a student of martial arts.

Posted by: ace at October 20, 2016 01:44 PM (dciA+)

Do you know Sean Hannity?

Posted by: SMOD 2016! at October 20, 2016 02:08 PM (joFoi)

128 Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2016 01:49 PM (CJOtA)

You're outside DFW, right? Shoot me an email sometime.

txrebel60 at gmail

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 20, 2016 02:08 PM (Idu2i)

129 I've noticed, and maybe this is just my personality, that whenever I tried to make a life change like that, the times I've been successful in actually altering my behavior is when it's not just been a solitary thing by myself. There has to be a social component as well.

I'd never just go to the gym and start lifting, or start running, or whatever by myself. Unless it's a purely personal hobby like reading more or whatever, if it's going to take place in public, it helps to have your friends and people you know doing it as well. Not only is this motivation to keep continuing it (because if you don't, then your friends are going to give you grief about it), but it helps the activity itself because it's not just you against this new task you've put in front of yourself.

Also, good call on the martial arts. I did Shotokan Karate through college and had a blast. I've been wanting to start up again, but I can't find a dojo.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 20, 2016 02:08 PM (KUaJL)

130 I actually did all that after Obama won in 2008!! I was so disgusted I became a "low information voter" and even quit watching TV- it's great!! I'm actually only just now back after 8 years.. more cynical about the polling but hopeful that something positive is about to happen!!

Posted by: Cjb at October 20, 2016 02:08 PM (trEl2)

131 I've still got a keyboard in my closet that I haven't touched in years. Maybe time to start touching it again, at least to return piano muscle memory to my fingers.

I was watching a pianist play Chopin's Heroic Polonaise. It's amazing how they do that even realizing it takes years of training and practice starting from a young age, and hours of practice daily to perfect it


Posted by: kbdabear at October 20, 2016 02:09 PM (Ya7zs)

132 is this the taylor swift or not taylor swift thread?


oops, my bad!

:-D

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 20, 2016 01:52 PM (WTSFk)

Have you and bananasplitsguy considered getting a room?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 20, 2016 02:09 PM (CUYn5)

133 >>Quadcopters.


Where do you get the qudriplegics?

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2016 02:09 PM (i3c+H)

134 >>Get an in-oven thermometer.



Learn about altitude and its effect on baking/roasting.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2016 02:06 PM (i3c+H)<<
That's what my wife suggested too. I asked why we didn't have one already and she said that she "knew" our oven. She proceeded to tell me about the hot spots/cold spots and the different racks she has to adjust because of it. She's figured out how to adjust the time as well.
Sounded really complicated for what looked to be a simple appliance. I decided to let her bake and roast. I'll stick to grilling.

Posted by: MacGruber at October 20, 2016 02:09 PM (C278+)

135 However, a one month investment in most subjects will give you the minimum effective dose of knowledge necessary to have an interest in that thing, and follow it.
**********************

That's a good point. I think I'll resolve to pick a hobby of interest, such as writing a novel, and force myself to focus on that for at least a month no matter how hard it gets.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at October 20, 2016 02:09 PM (bH+An)

136
The culture has moved on, but I am kinda jealous of the people in the 50's and even my parents when I was young having weekly dinner parties somewhere. People just don't seem to want to commit to those things anymore, I think technology has a lot to do with it. Personal contact isn't a thing much anymore.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 20, 2016 02:10 PM (ODxAs)

137 i'm sorry to say my comments above were a tad selfish. sorry about that.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 20, 2016 02:10 PM (WTSFk)

138 For much of this year I've had mounting anger and frustration over something very similar to the idea of not being present in your own life, specifically that I only seem to be present in anything as a supporting character in someone else's story--and everyone seems to treat this as natural and fitting! About the only person who seems occasionally to evade that mindset, it feels, is (somewhat ironically) my dad, who has had a front-row seat the whole time thanks to the vagaries of fate.

Seriously, getting nothing more than a cameo acknowledgement on my own b-day this year, that was not cool. And it started me in a very foul mood that carried most of the year forward. I know that is not good for me, but when I feel like I'm constantly being made to feel selfish for wanting something for myself, it shouldn't take a rocket surgeon to see the resentment and anger building.

Prayer's been keeping it in check, as well as some occasional acknowledgement from those around me, but I know it's been seeping into things. (It probably explains things like my reaction to the entertainment boycott preaching, and the reason I support Trump to the extent I do--f*** you, my turn!)

So folks, don't get like me. Demand your place and time in the sun.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, deplorably down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 20, 2016 02:10 PM (9krrF)

139
They grow so quickly. Then they leave.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:06 PM (Q5Ymk)
_________________________

I wish....

Posted by: Hectors mom at October 20, 2016 02:10 PM (HSmrB)

140 78 "Cars were my big hobby, I even have a lift in the garage and a huge tool collection. "

Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2016 02:00 PM (UW0g+)


I've always wanted a lift in the garage. When we built the house, I designed a 14 foot ceiling height for just that reason.

Of course, I never got around to putting one in.

Maybe next year.

Posted by: jwest at October 20, 2016 02:10 PM (Zs4uk)

141 "It must be nice to be a liberal, if you lose, you get to simply be left alone."

The problem is that it's the liberals who won't leave off meddling. They don't get left alone; they're the ones that have to get beaten into leaving everyone else alone.

Posted by: Qoheleth at October 20, 2016 02:10 PM (iIzG7)

142 Get an in-oven thermometer.
*****
Hmmm. There is such a thing? I did not know that. Thanks for the suggestion. I need one of those bc I have altitude issues bc I'm in the mountains. It causes problems mostly with baking.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 20, 2016 02:10 PM (6IPEM)

143 "Where do you get the qudriplegics?"

Difficult to find ones that weigh less than 5 oz.

Posted by: navybrat at October 20, 2016 02:11 PM (w7KSn)

144 Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 20, 2016 02:07 PM (R/qhb)
Then I'm totally a martial artist.

You make me want to go to the back of the ranch and shoot. Deer season is over so I really should.
Or I could go shoot ground squirrels.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:11 PM (Q5Ymk)

145 Ace, as somebody who has been in Martial Arts for the last 30 years. I applaud your choice - you will find there is much of value in the traditional arts.

Oh, and by the way, Sharyl Attkisson is a third degree black belt.


Posted by: An Observation at October 20, 2016 02:11 PM (IBLOg)

146 Baseball! Yes!

I know it seems slow compared to football (and sometimes is) but the more you learn about it the more fascinating it becomes because you start to appreciate the strategy - should a pitcher who is cruising be pulled in the 6th because the bases are loaded and he's coming up to bat? What will the pitcher throw on 3-2 count?

It's a game that can go from boring to intensely nervewracking in a flash and it's the intensely nervewracking moments that get us baseball nuts hooked on the game.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 20, 2016 02:12 PM (u0lmX)

147 Played guitar most of my life and took up piano about a year ago. Hard to find time but it is coming along. Everybody serious about music should learn some piano. First, before taking up guitar or whatever. It is much easier and gives great insight into music. If the beast wins I like to think I can give up following politics so much and focus more time on piano. Not sure that will be possible with the coming disaster.

Posted by: Ripley at October 20, 2016 02:12 PM (1BQGO)

148 I'm an empty nester stay at home mother. They grow so quickly. Then they leave.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:06 PM (Q5Ymk)

Well, maybe yours did. I'm still working on stirring the nest up from under my two grown sons. One, the younger, ironically, is very close to moving out. My older son is much more fearful--not just of moving out, but of lots of things. It is a challenge. I think I will embrace the empty nest. At least for the first couple of months. :>

Posted by: California Girl at October 20, 2016 02:13 PM (Pt5D1)

149 I have an in oven thermometer, my oven runs a little hot. The left oven is hotter than the right oven too.
I forget where I got them.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:13 PM (Q5Ymk)

150 Oven Temp Controls are rarely accurate.

Baking is a lot easier once you get an idea what's actually going on in your oven.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2016 02:14 PM (i3c+H)

151 Here's a crazy admission:

I do not have Ace of Spades bookmarked.

Even though I visit here every day, often several times per day.

Instead, I access AoS by going to Hot Air, then clicking on the Ace of Spade "Hot Link" in the "Right Channels" column in the sidebar -- which, because it's alphabetical, has Ace of Spades listed first.

I do this because of an old habit to visit swing by Hot Air to see what is the normal conservative-mainstream memes of the day are (I don't actually read any of the articles -- just scan the headlines for about 5 seconds), before visiting here, so I'm "prepared" for whatever Ace's take is going to be on any topic.

I realize this is a lazy ancient habit, getting a "sneak preview" of the headlines before I actually delve into news here, especially since Hot Air and AoS have ben diverging in their approaches for years now.

But like Texas Zombie (who is not me), I resist actually bookmarking my favorite sites, because that would just encourage me to go to them. I intentionally make them harder to reach -- like purposely putting the whiskey bottle on the top shelf in the back, if one is an alcoholic. You can't bring yourself to actually throw the bottle away, so the compromise is to make it hard to reach. A lazy person's approach to breaking addiction.

Posted by: zombie at October 20, 2016 02:14 PM (jBuUi)

152 25 T Zombie is right BUT..... to recuse from politics is to let the bastards have carte blanche to run their scummy game over the rest of us.

Ignorance is bliss, but once the mask is off, you can't unknow just what evil cretins ae in charge of us, and truly despise us

Posted by: Tradd at October 20, 2016 01:48 PM (GSJcT)

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They're already running their scummy game all over the rest of us. I guess what I'm saying is that it doesn't matter how many links to sane articles I post on Facebook, I'm not changing the score. I will still vote regularly and all that. But why spend the time and energy being emotionally and mentally invested in something I can't change? The whole college campus culture for example - take the Mizzou debacle for example but there are so many others - I can post that on my FB all I want with a #HigherEdCollapse at the end and I'm not changing the score. I'm just getting myself worked up reading about that shit in the first place and getting bent about the fact that one day I am going to have to face the prospect that my kids may end up in a higher ed environment like that. Why burn myself up about things I can't change? No amount of Facebook jockeying is going to change the higher ed debacle, but it might raise my blood pressure to unhealthy levels. I'm not talking about giving up the game. I'm talking about limiting myself to aspects of it that I can impact without getting sucked into the mind numbing stupidity of the way the game is played.

Posted by: Texas Zombie at October 20, 2016 02:14 PM (SUtNI)

153
Here's something nifty to do with your boy or girl to introduce them to assembling things/electronics.

Watch until the end; you'll get a kick out of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8f4f5v5Kx4

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 20, 2016 02:14 PM (bOJUT)

154 I also need to start reading books more. I was a voracious reader until I discovered blogs. Now it takes a while to get through a book unless it's a real page turner.

I become worried sometimes that the Internet is damaging my ability to stay focused on books.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 20, 2016 02:14 PM (u0lmX)

155 122 posts (and more, I'm sure) and not one moron has put forth:

Ace, remember, Wax on / Wacks off

That there is some martial arts wisdom.

Posted by: browndog at October 20, 2016 02:14 PM (ccfl2)

156 OK i will talk about my new shit i am doing that kinda keeps me from commenting here.


I Lurk the HQ from my Smartphone. Often i was caught reading threads in the saddle. Then i hurt my back. like really bad, AGAIN. (did i mention i have a spinal fracture?) every time i get steroid injections and stuff for the back i gain ten lbs i cant shake. i had that happen three times. The result wasn't pretty and my BP soared. I could not ride or work the weight off because i was too crippled. In fact, i got scared i would be truly crippled if i didnt take it easy.


ok that led to this 30 lbs hanging out on me. it was awful. I am used to being that skinny chick, and also i am used to being active. I felt like garbage. So i did something about it. I went on Nutri-System, did the Jump start pack that guarantees you lose eight lbs in 10 days and i lost 12. Ok, i hated the food and so i did that weird weight watchers thing and made substitutions for their food with my food using a food scale and a calculator to figure out how many calories and what they were made of. I was so much happier. I lost 22 lbs, and i felt better went back to working really hard full time.


about two weeks ago i hurt my back really bad again. Now the good news was that it was really my hip out and i didnt require another cortisone shot. Bad news is the medication for inflammation requires a heavy meal or it will give you a gut bleed. I gained 5 lbs back.


Anguish. will have to go back on the super strict diet again. Also taking Branch Chain Amino Acids 2x a day. this helps keep the weght loss going after a bad plateau. even more effective for men but essential for women.


Meanwhile doing PT and working on my horse breeding program seriously again. I have serious help now too in the form of a friend i have know for a decade or so who teaches Horse Science so i have a right hand i can trust if i am ill or broken. We are working on getting a barren broodmare to be a saddle horse and my affable stallion to be more than just a lazy giggalo. This keeps me active with goals.


Side note, one of the Vendors who I love seeing every week got me painting again. we take turns treating each other to Art nights. I have always detested Acrylics and have avoided them until now. Well no more. I am learning not to care and just DO THE THING. So far so good. Its hilarious watching women in various types on riding boots with various styles of spurs walk into a PIZZA PARLOR to paint for the night. some efforts turn out truly awful. Some are so bad they become genius, and i have discovered that acrylic is not so bad. My Vendor-now-Friend and i never end up with the same painting everyone else is doing but we always like it.



And that is why you dont see me in the HQ commenting except way late at night. Im either busy working, being crippled, making dinner and being a wife, starving and too crabby to comment, Hanging out playing Cards against Humanity with Bebe's Boobs, and Alex in Exile, or i am back doing art things, whether its smudging around with paints or sewing and cursing. My dance card is full. I am enjoying myself before the world goes to hell.








Posted by: Gushka Can Has Kittehs what plays fetch! at October 20, 2016 02:14 PM (YhV5r)

157 I think getting a dog would help though, but I've been having the worst luck (tried shelters, rescues, breeders to find a nice dog that's low maintenance and fits my laid back lifestyle. Been the most aggravating experience ever, with no sign at all that I'll ever find the right dog.)

Posted by: #NeverHillary at October 20, 2016 01:50 PM (bH+An)

I would suggest getting a rescue senior dog. Many dogs who've had a happy home end up at a shelter when their owner dies. But the older they are, the less people want them. You could get a nice doggie who is more than happy to be a couch potato that way. Not sure, though, if any dog could be characterized as low maintenance.

Posted by: JuJuBee at October 20, 2016 02:14 PM (kma8f)

158 Okay, here's one. Dancing.

Seriously.

Mrs. Cicero dragged me into it six years ago by starting a lesson series while I was in trial for a month. It was a fait accompli by the time I finished, so I had to get involved.

It's been a blast. We dance West Coast Swing one or two nights a week and even compete a little. It's provided us with a new and mostly young-ish social set and its a great way to put aside the stresses of the day by requiring you to concentrate on something that's completely non-intellectual.

Weird, I know, but you guys should give it a try.

Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at October 20, 2016 02:15 PM (8ZskC)

159 151 I do that with Chaturbate

Posted by: steevy at October 20, 2016 02:15 PM (fA75F)

160 I think it was Jim Hall who said : It takes two great guitarists to sound as good as one average piano player.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2016 02:16 PM (i3c+H)

161 coed sports like sand volleyball ... fun way to hang out regularly, drink on the sidelines, can play and chat at the same time, or play then hang out and chat. I met a lot of interesting people that way ... from wide spectrum.

Now in the sticks ... photography is cheap and easy ... post best pics on Facebook and compare with old friends taking their own pics around the country.

Social media is great ... moderation I guess. Lots of space in flyover country, for a few acres where you can do a lot ... but most are destined to remain in the cities I guess.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 20, 2016 02:16 PM (O2rG1)

162 Posted by: California Girl at October 20, 2016 02:13 PM (Pt5D1)
I was really sad. Mine left for college at 18 and then went to grad school on the east coast. My whole life revolved around the kid and then he's gone.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:16 PM (Q5Ymk)

163 98 I like the idea of reading the unopened books one already owns. I could get a very good education this winter just by hunkering down with all the history books on my shelves.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 20, 2016 02:04 PM (EnKk6)

Oooh, I was rooting through some boxes and found a copy of the Odyssey. Now rereading it. (The Fagles translation, which has an interesting introduction by the translator.)

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at October 20, 2016 02:16 PM (RD7QR)

164 New Trump-inspired sports that could pay off handsomely: baby dick-punching and. Pussy grabbing .

Hey beats the hell out of being systematically ground into oblivion by the voice and reign of The Hag.



Posted by: !Deplorable Lives Matter! at October 20, 2016 02:16 PM (tKZea)

165 ... just bored and not having anything positive to add. sorry.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 20, 2016 02:17 PM (WTSFk)

166 Dog-rasslin'. Every morning before the pre-dawn walk, Canis Zod gets some roughhousing on the floor in the den. You find the right dog, you'll have an uncritical, enthusiastic friend whenever you want one. Getting the mail is an adventure. A drive up to Safeway with the window down? Big adventure! Throw the ball againandagainandagainandagain in the park? Done and done. BBQ buddy? Yessir.

I recommend black Labs. YMMV.

Posted by: General Zod at October 20, 2016 02:17 PM (Bdeb0)

167 I also need to start reading books more. I was a voracious reader until I discovered blogs. Now it takes a while to get through a book unless it's a real page turner.
I become worried sometimes that the Internet is damaging my ability to stay focused on books.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 20, 2016 02:14 PM (u0lmX)
******
I have the exact same problem. I also have a touch of ADD so that doesn't help. I can only read short pieces or else I drift off and can't concentrate.
I miss reading books.
:-(

Posted by: L, Elle at October 20, 2016 02:17 PM (6IPEM)

168 Texting on a dumb phone is incredibly painful once you've used a smart phone. Plus all the GPS/lookup goodies, etc.


Meanwhile todays project is clean that awful smell out of the garbage can without bleaching my pants.

Posted by: DaveA at October 20, 2016 02:17 PM (8J/Te)

169 is this the taylor swift or not taylor swift thread?


oops, my bad!

:-D

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at October 20, 2016 01:52 PM (WTSFk)

Have you and bananasplitsguy considered getting a room?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 20, 2016 02:09 PM (CUYn5)

If BSG's dirty Dutch doesn't give him a stiffy, nothing will.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 20, 2016 02:17 PM (Idu2i)

170 _Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 20, 2016 02:10 PM (ODxAs)_

I have fond memories of my folks and their friends' own little Italo-American version of cafe society. Every weekend they went out, either visiting to each others' homes or to night clubs. (I loved night club evenings because my mom hooked up some great outfits). They lived life to the fullest, and I believe their children benefited from the experience.

When Mad Men first aired I immediately got hooked because it reminded me of those days - Except that the characters in Mad Men were a joyless bunch. Our peeps were always smiling and laughing and dancing.

Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2016 02:18 PM (nNdYv)

171 I was picking up some archery stuff at Cabelas and saw a Fat Bike as mentioned above. Shocked at the price I looked a little closer. Saw that it had an electric drive setup on it. That should make the biking a lot more fun but less gainz probably .

http://preview.tinyurl.com/jhyjwv4

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 20, 2016 01:57 PM (tf9Ne)

What is the attraction of "fat bikes"? The fatter the tire, the greater the rolling resistance, all other things being equal. Also more weight, which means you have to work harder to pedal your ass up a hill. A lot harder.

Now the uber-skinny racing bike tires don't do well on gravel roads, or on deteriorated city pavements, but mountain bikes are a fine compromise for all-round utility.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 20, 2016 02:18 PM (CUYn5)

172 We must be obsessed with politics until we defeat the other side. Our flaw is that we just want to get on with our lives, and their continuing goal is their fscism fetish.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 20, 2016 02:18 PM (PjWy4)

173 The culture has moved on, but I am kinda jealous of the people in the 50's and even my parents when I was young having weekly dinner parties somewhere. People just don't seem to want to commit to those things anymore, I think technology has a lot to do with it. Personal contact isn't a thing much anymore.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 20, 2016 02:10 PM (ODxAs)
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We don't have or go to dinner parties weekly, but we do do them once in a while, and it's great fun. You should try it.

I mentioned in the food thread a couple weeks ago that we used to have a bi-monthly dinner club with 5 couples that had all lived in the same neighborhood for 8-9 years and then all moved away, but nearby. It was a lot of fun.

Posted by: bluebell at October 20, 2016 02:18 PM (uHcnA)

174 Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 20, 2016 02:14 PM (u0lmX)
This is me Donna. I used to read books all the time now I read blogs. Or go down a Wikipedia wormhole.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:18 PM (Q5Ymk)

175 Cjb at October 20, 2016 02:08 PM

I pretty much gave up watching TV years ago. I think that images drive the news way too much. And I know too many people who have had their words misrepresented, even on non-political local issues.

I am m.aking a conscious effort to include other people in more of my hobby-type activities. Will attend a craft event this weekend, make some simple Thanksgiving-themed pillows. I really don't like crafts much, but I like watching other people create things they like.



Posted by: KT at October 20, 2016 02:18 PM (qahv/)

176 It could have been Earl Klugh who said that...

I know I've got the record somewhere in here.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2016 02:18 PM (i3c+H)

177 I know it seems slow compared to football (and sometimes is) but the more you learn about it the more fascinating it becomes because you start to appreciate the strategy - should a pitcher who is cruising be pulled in the 6th because the bases are loaded and he's coming up to bat? What will the pitcher throw on 3-2 count?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 20, 2016 02:12 PM (u0lmX)

But PLEASE oh PLEASE don't become one of those anal Sabermetrics geeks who spend more time looking at Fangraphs spreadsheets and debating obscure metrics. Bill James must be some subversive who decided to take the actual joy out of following the game.

If you're going to get into Fantasy Leagues, try to remember that the difference between you and a real life GM is as big as the difference between being a real Army Ranger and Call of Duty.

Posted by: kbdabear at October 20, 2016 02:18 PM (Ya7zs)

178 Cooking is a science, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. You can tell your wife that pre-heat the oven means pre-heat the oven, not just turn it on and throw it in just so many times.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 20, 2016 02:19 PM (6Ll1u)

179 The biggest thing I intend to do is stop checking twitter all the farking time.

I've got two things I want to do.

First is some fitness goals. My wife and I run, but we're bad about training hard for it. We do races, but more to finish than to PR. I want to train for a 10k with a thought of running the whole thing, which would be major for me. Next, I just recently became aware that there are duathlons- riding and biking, with the swimming cut out because you can't swim in a lake or river so much of the year here, and I'd like set a goal of doing a sprint before I turn 50.

Next is taking up a hobby that demands precision and time. Twitter and even a lot of reading can be consumed in short gulps. I want to do something that requires me to work for long periods of time, with my hands included, and that I have to learn to do. I'm thinking of learning to assemble and paint military models or military miniatures (I know).

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at October 20, 2016 02:19 PM (F26eZ)

180 "anyway, I sure don't want people walking away from the site but I can't
help saying what I think, which is just, generally, more time spent in
real life will probably cure a lot of Computer Blues." Ace Miayagi

Well, there is the Central Texas Moron Meetup to look forward to, and that may be the capstone to my illustrious career as an AoS fanboy (now I am being sarcastic). A while back you mentioned the possibility of hanging it up as well. If you do, good luck in your future pursuits. You've got talent, an audience, and , I'm sure, other irons in the fire. Via con dios, amigo.

Posted by: Sirius the Canine Pundit at October 20, 2016 02:19 PM (LBO1U)

181
I got a dog last April. He's cool. I've taught him lots of tricks. Scary smart dog. Blue heeler. Gives me an excuse to walk a lot too.

He keeps his political opinions to himself for the most part.

Posted by: Sphynx at October 20, 2016 02:19 PM (OZmbA)

182 Ace, have you considered taking up a manual hobby, such as woodworking or metalworking? The concentration required is a useful distraction from external cares (similar to riding a motorcycle) and you will learn interesting things about materials as well as perhaps making something beutiful or useful.

Posted by: slash buzz at October 20, 2016 02:19 PM (YseGW)

183 I would suggest getting a rescue senior dog. Many dogs who've had a happy home end up at a shelter when their owner dies. But the older they are, the less people want them. You could get a nice doggie who is more than happy to be a couch potato that way. Not sure, though, if any dog could be characterized as low maintenance.
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For a normal dog that would be my route, but I'm hoping to personally train one to be my service dog, so they need to be a bit younger. Low maintenance is mostly about not shitting all over my apartment every 5 minutes and not requiring 10 hours of vigorous exercise the way some herding dogs require to be healthy and happy.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at October 20, 2016 02:20 PM (bH+An)

184 >>What is the attraction of "fat bikes"?


Fatter Tires allow for lower air pressure which mitigates a lot of the Rolling Resistence.

Combine proper gearing and the benefit over surfaces like sand and snow is readily apparent.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2016 02:20 PM (i3c+H)

185 I become worried sometimes that the Internet is damaging my ability to stay focused on books.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 20, 2016 02:14 PM (u0lmX)

That is so me! I was a book addict. Now, it's hard to get through a book.

Posted by: California Girl at October 20, 2016 02:20 PM (Pt5D1)

186 27 Ace, all martial arts, if you go deep enough, are MMA. Krav is. Tae Kwan do was the foundation of shoto-kan, a Japanese theft from Korea. The original, and strongest art from asia is/was hwa rang do, but it is very close to disappearing. and is very difficult to learn, Yet, it was probably borrowed to some degree from the Chinese northern arts, which in turn, probably came from India. any art you learn has history and tradition. Katas do serve a useful purpose, just not necessarily a combat purpose.
I started in judo, moved on to Tae kwan do, then Shotokan, and then southern Chinese. then I went to Hwa rang do, and over the last 10 years krav. It's amazing how much overlap there is.
My "money" entry is a kung fu technique. My "money" when all else fails is a judo technique. Kung fu, krav and judo all have some version of "sticky hands"... Have fun..

Posted by: macleod at October 20, 2016 02:20 PM (5NEuS)

187 I gave up paying attention to politics after 2012.

It's liberating and you do find you stop caring as much, which is healthy given the circumstances.

One very valuable thing - which won't make ace happy, sorry - is the reward of checking in once... in the evening or at the end of the day. What you get is a look at the rollercoaster ride, but from ground level. This is NOT a slight on ace or his site, which is responsibly doing its absolute due news diligence... just an example...

So you get to the end of the day and look at the headlines in reverse order, and you see something like:

- Bob Johnson also doctored a tape in 1997

- Turns out Bob Johnson is a close friend of Hillary Clinton

- Bob Johnson admits to doctoring Cruz Tapes

- Cruz Tapes may not be real after all

- Cruz admits to punching a baby on audio tape

- Tapes may involve Ted Cruz

- HUGE BREAKING NEWS COMING SOON: "Involves 'prominent' Republican, Could Be 'Career Ending'"

And through this day, you see the same misery expressed by everyone through the threads about how shitty everything is. And you agree. But because you see the news in reverse, you weren't on the rollercoaster, and it just doesn't affect you the same. You dont even know who the hell Bob Johnson is when you start reading. So then you learn. But it doesn't stay with you. And you are still "informed". The constant stream if lies, mockery and misinformation from the media is designed to make you sick. This is a way around it.

Posted by: Mega at October 20, 2016 02:20 PM (sarFG)

188 Can never go wrong with improving the shooting skills.
As for groups, Unconventional Warfare for the Weekender is always a fun thing. Like scouting only more fun.
Home brewing...for when the weekend is too wet or snowy to go out to learn new sabotage techniques.
And baseball. Find the game within the game and its enjoyment soars.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 20, 2016 02:20 PM (0tfLf)

189 He keeps his political opinions to himself for the most part.
Posted by: Sphynx at October 20, 2016 02:19 PM (OZmbA)

Best kind of dog.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at October 20, 2016 02:20 PM (bH+An)

190 I like drinking, smoking. and ordering in restaurants ... but I see your point.

Posted by: Bridget von Hammersmark at October 20, 2016 02:20 PM (m3RIE)

191
I would suggest getting a rescue senior dog.
Many dogs who've had a happy home end up at a shelter when their owner
dies. But the older they are, the less people want them. You could get
a nice doggie who is more than happy to be a couch potato that way.
Not sure, though, if any dog could be characterized as low maintenance.


Posted by: JuJuBee at October 20, 2016 02:14 PM (kma8f)


I did this. Got the best dog of my life. Seriously. You will only have them a few years but you will not be sorry. DO EEEET. get the old guy with the grey muzzle looking dejected. you will be his sun and moon. and try to get like an old cattle dog or Lab or German Sheppard, Aussie or something. God will bless you.

Posted by: Gushka Can Has Kittehs what plays fetch! at October 20, 2016 02:21 PM (YhV5r)

192 My whole life revolved around the kid and then he's gone.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:16 PM (Q5Ymk)
_______________________________

I should be so lucky...

Posted by: Hectors' mom at October 20, 2016 02:21 PM (HSmrB)

193 Today is my 49th birthday, so that's a life change.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 20, 2016 02:22 PM (dZ756)

194 Posted by: California Girl at October 20, 2016 02:20 PM (Pt5D1)
Me too. My friend gives me her beach read type books and I figure them out. If I do read it has been non fiction.
I read gone girl and figured it out. The same with the girl in cabin 10.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:22 PM (Q5Ymk)

195 I think getting a dog would help though, but I've been having the worst luck (tried shelters, rescues, breeders to find a nice dog that's low maintenance and fits my laid back lifestyle. Been the most aggravating experience ever, with no sign at all that I'll ever find the right dog.)
Posted by: #NeverHillary at October 20, 2016 01:50 PM
*****
If you like big dogs, think about a Great Dane. Get a girl doggie though. They're more laid back. I got one and she has changed my life in so many good and positive ways. Not the kind of dog that can be left alone all day though if you work a lot and have to be away. Mine is so funny and such a character.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 20, 2016 02:22 PM (6IPEM)

196 Willowed comment from last thread kind of deals with this.

Basically...

I just want to live in a country with a government.

Liberals want to live in the opposite.



Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 20, 2016 02:22 PM (3myMJ)

197 Happy Birthday, SFGoth - and wishing you many more, each one more enjoyable than the one before it -

Posted by: Qoheleth at October 20, 2016 02:22 PM (iIzG7)

198 Oooh, I was rooting through some boxes and found a copy of the Odyssey. Now rereading it. (The Fagles translation, which has an interesting introduction by the translator.)
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at October 20, 2016 02:16 PM (RD7QR)

The Greeks throw snowballs & curse at the Trojans?
Wait, that the Eagles translation.

Posted by: josephistan at October 20, 2016 02:23 PM (7HtZB)

199 Oooh, I was rooting through some boxes and found a copy of the Odyssey. Now rereading it. (The Fagles translation, which has an interesting introduction by the translator.)
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at October 20, 2016 02:16 PM (RD7QR)
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I got one of those faux-leather twofers on the sale rack at Barnes and Noble - Iliad and Odyssey, translated by Samuel Butler.

I should get a Classical Era reading list going, what with the waddle of Penguins stacked on my shelves.

Then, my collection of 19th century explorers: Speke, Burton, Livingston, Stanley, et al.

Medieval Warfare

WWII

Crap, I could be reading until next winter. Better books than cats, I guess.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 20, 2016 02:23 PM (EnKk6)

200 Posted by: Hectors' mom at October 20, 2016 02:21 PM (HSmrB)
You made me laugh.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:23 PM (Q5Ymk)

201 192 My whole life revolved around the kid and then he's gone.

Be glad to lend you one ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 20, 2016 02:23 PM (m3RIE)

202 I become worried sometimes that the Internet is damaging my ability to stay focused on books.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 20, 2016 02:14 PM (u0lmX)

That is so me! I was a book addict. Now, it's hard to get through a book.
Posted by: California Gir



Is it the Internet, or just shitty writers phoning it in? The same as Hollywood. We complain that Hollywood is just phoning it in.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2016 02:24 PM (CJOtA)

203 Ace,

You seem to be on the same path I started a bit before you (gainzz, health). Tip: check out Dr. Rhonda Patrick's appearances on Joe Rogan's podcasts. Better than reading. As Rogan says, I feel like i need a pencil & notebook to keep up with all the knowledge she's tossing about....and yet, it's interesting. And exactly what I'm looking for to forward gainz. (assuming you aren't already aware of this; I don't read everything you type, after all..too busy moving iron)

Posted by: Cam Winston at October 20, 2016 02:24 PM (0YLsj)

204 Had some classic cars I loved working on, problem is, they eat up a huge amount of time and having young kids, didn't think it was fair taking away weekends from them so I sold everything but my motorcycle.

Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2016 02:00 PM (UW0g+)

If only I had the money I'd love to restore a classic.

Love to look at pictures and read articles about them though. Don't care much for the cable reality shows restoring classics because they've got the Obviously Scripted Reality Show Drama.

Posted by: kbdabear at October 20, 2016 02:24 PM (Ya7zs)

205 You may not be intersted in politics...

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at October 20, 2016 02:24 PM (+aCe4)

206 >>193
Today is my 49th birthday, so that's a life change. Posted by: SFGoth at October 20, 2016 02:22 PM (dZ756)

Happy Birthday. I'm a week behind you, same year. Best wishes.

Posted by: General Zod at October 20, 2016 02:24 PM (Bdeb0)

207 Posted by: SFGoth at October 20, 2016 02:22 PM (dZ756)
Happy Birthday!!

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:24 PM (Q5Ymk)

208 Today is my 49th birthday, so that's a life change.
Posted by: SFGoth



Well Happy Birthday!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2016 02:25 PM (CJOtA)

209 If you like big dogs, think about a Great Dane. Get a girl doggie though.
**************

I love big dogs, but that's REALLY big. YUUUGE even.

I find it hilarious that they evidently make some of the best apartment dogs despite their size too.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at October 20, 2016 02:25 PM (bH+An)

210 @114 Posted by: L, Elle at October 20, 2016 02:07 PM (6IPEM)

That is awesome!

Posted by: Texas Zombie at October 20, 2016 02:26 PM (SUtNI)

211 WWII

Crap, I could be reading until next winter. Better books than cats, I guess.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 20, 2016 02:23 PM (EnKk6)

I hear you and agree. Discovered Sophocles that way.

There's a number of great sites out there for very esoteric military stuff, that even Amazon doesn't carry because there's no profit in reselling a book on Estonian artillery uniforms from 1873. Suddenly you realize you could spend a whole life and never read it all.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at October 20, 2016 02:26 PM (F26eZ)

212 HAPPY BIRTHDAY SF GOTH!!!!

Posted by: Gushka Can Has Kittehs what plays fetch! at October 20, 2016 02:27 PM (YhV5r)

213 Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:16 PM (Q5Ymk)

That's what I thought was going to happen to me. However, both my boys declined college. I have no idea what boy number one will do with his life. Boy number two says he's going to go into fire science and become a fireman. I am grateful for the extra time with them for the reason you mentioned. They were my whole life. I had planned on becoming a foster mom when they left, but now I have a puppy, someone else I can mother.

Posted by: California Girl at October 20, 2016 02:27 PM (Pt5D1)

214 But PLEASE oh PLEASE don't become one of those anal Sabermetrics geeks who spend more time looking at Fangraphs spreadsheets and debating obscure metrics. Bill James must be some subversive who decided to take the actual joy out of following the game.


Posted by: kbdabear at October 20, 2016 02:18 PM (Ya7zs)

Yeah, I just hate that stuff too.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 20, 2016 02:27 PM (u0lmX)

215 Happy Birthday SFGoth

49 is good...but the 50's are the new 30's. You're gonna love it!

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 20, 2016 02:27 PM (0tfLf)

216 Happy birthday, SFGoth!

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 20, 2016 02:27 PM (u0lmX)

217 >>Is it the Internet, or just shitty writers phoning
it in? The same as Hollywood. We complain that Hollywood is just phoning
it in. Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2016 02:24 PM (CJOtA)

A lot of dross out there. Great article about a decade ago by B.R. Myers in The Atlantic ("A Reader's Manifesto") re "modern literary fiction" and the style-over-substance loss of the storytelling art. The article itself was really good, worth a google.

Posted by: General Zod at October 20, 2016 02:28 PM (Bdeb0)

218 205 You may not be intersted in politics...

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at October 20, 2016 02:24 PM (+aCe4)

Unfortunately true. However, even in Soviet Russia the politicization was so omniscient that it became white noise in the background. Nobody argued because people in reality just stopped giving a shit.

Vodka helped

Posted by: kbdabear at October 20, 2016 02:28 PM (Ya7zs)

219 Okay, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess a Chinese system.
All of which are good but like any martial art can be improved upon by borrowing from other systems.
I hope you enjoy it.
Sil Lum is our base style. My instructor lived with a master for 6.5 years. He then proceeded to "enhance" it by borrowing from just about everyone else.

Posted by: teej at October 20, 2016 02:28 PM (HddOg)

220 Is it the Internet, or just shitty writers phoning it in? The same as Hollywood. We complain that Hollywood is just phoning it in.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2016 02:24 PM (CJOtA)

Which is why my goal is to read some of the classic I haven't gotten to yet.

A lot of contemporary fiction, like contemporary art, just bores me.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 20, 2016 02:29 PM (u0lmX)

221 Sumo wrestling is a martial art isn't it ?

Posted by: runner at October 20, 2016 02:29 PM (ZIx/C)

222 >having weekly dinner parties somewhere

Friend of mine has cocktails parties where we dress up, eat finger foods and drink. but more like monthly, not weekly.

Posted by: Lea at October 20, 2016 02:29 PM (lIU4e)

223 Vodka helped
Posted by: kbdabear


Indeed. Troika said the factory worker laying three fingers on his upper arm and looking questioningly at you.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 20, 2016 02:29 PM (0tfLf)

224 I love big dogs, but that's REALLY big. YUUUGE even.
I find it hilarious that they evidently make some of the best apartment dogs despite their size too.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at October 20, 2016 02:25 PM
*****
I know! She is a beastess but I like that about her. It makes her cool. She gets so many compliments when I take her out bc she stands out. Despite their size, they are incredibly gentle and afectionate. Also loyal and protective. Great guard dogs. They really don't eat that much either like people would expect. Also not high energy dogs. They are exactly like Scooby Doo in temperament and personality .

Posted by: L, Elle at October 20, 2016 02:29 PM (6IPEM)

225 Posted by: California Girl at October 20, 2016 02:27 PM (Pt5D1)
I have 2 Bengal cats. It was a tough transition.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:29 PM (Q5Ymk)

226 Love to look at pictures and read articles about them though. Don't care much for the cable reality shows restoring classics because they've got the Obviously Scripted Reality Show Drama.



Posted by: kbdabear
****

Check out Wheeler Dealers
Great show

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at October 20, 2016 02:30 PM (+aCe4)

227 Less TV and cell phone is a winner, for sure. Enjoying Baseball instead of Football as well -- its longer, has more games, and is in summer, plus its just a better game.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 02:30 PM (39g3+)

228 49 is good...but the 50's are the new 30's. You're gonna love it!




You lie!
Posted by: Joe Wilson

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2016 02:30 PM (CJOtA)

229 I have a friend who was a Texas State Heavy Weight Karate champion - as well as one of the best real world fighters I have ever met. He had a bumper sticker made for his car that said "Black Belts have guns too".

Posted by: An Observation at October 20, 2016 02:31 PM (IBLOg)

230 I have tuned the election out. I wonder what happens after? Do we go
back to normal or does the divisiveness carry over? This year I have
concentrated on what I can control.

I read 19 books this summer.
The entire Brad Thor series and started Vince Flynn. I loved the
Clancy books. I have re-read Hunt for Red October a few times. I
really enjoy reading.

I did a lot of traveling with my family
this year. 10 year anniversary trip to Vegas, Grand Canyon, Monument
Valley with my wife and I hauled my 8,5 and 2 year old girls to Mount
Rushmore along with my wife and mom. It was a 20 hour car ride one way
but it was fun.

I guess this is my long way of saying that I have
been tuning it out. Let's face it politicians have been a constant
stream of disappointment for a long time. I think if you immerse
yourself in what is around you and not so much on the central planners,
life is more tolerable, even enjoyable.

Posted by: jj at October 20, 2016 02:31 PM (+FQOh)

231 @228

Well, it sure worked for me. ;-)

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 20, 2016 02:31 PM (0tfLf)

232 >>>For a normal dog that would be my route, but I'm hoping to personally train one to be my service dog, so they need to be a bit younger. Low maintenance is mostly about not shitting all over my apartment every 5 minutes and not requiring 10 hours of vigorous exercise the way some herding dogs require to be healthy and happy.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at October 20, 2016 02:20 PM (bH+An)

Have you trained service dogs before? If not, it's not like teaching a dog to sit and stay. Little more involved.
Third or fourth on the older dog recommendation.
There are lazy breeds just like lazy people, but letting your dog get fat is not good. Exercise kind of goes with the territory, even if it's hiring someone else to exercise your dog for you.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 20, 2016 02:32 PM (WM5ho)

233 There's my secret. I'm now a student of martial arts.

Posted by: ace at October 20, 2016 01:44 PM (dciA+)



Can the Ace vs Hannity throw down be far behind. I'd pay good money to see that.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 20, 2016 02:32 PM (dnWSK)

234 Hey, Iblis - I'm studying Portuguese too, though I'm going to an actual class rather than doing Duolingo. My teacher is Brazilian, and the fact is that there are a lot more Brazilians than there are Peninsular Portuguese, so that's what you're going to hear, most of the time.

To help things along I've bought a copy of "A Socedade do Anel" (that is, "The Fellowship of the Ring") and reading it, slowly.

BTW - people asking about oven thermometers - you can get them at any hardware store, and they're a great help if you think your oven is running too hot (or cool).

Posted by: Annalucia at October 20, 2016 02:32 PM (a5bF3)

235 Eris --

One of my projects this year has been "Reading all my books". I have over a thousand. I'm going A-Z on fiction (one from each letter), and one each from each Dewey category (000-900). Yes, my books are in Dewey order.

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 02:32 PM (7zeA4)

236 Anyway, I am having so much fun with this and it keeps me in touch with my two best friends which is nice. They're also having fun and we get competitive to see who can come up with the better letter. I highly recommend it.
Posted by: L, Elle at October 20, 2016 02:07 PM (6IPEM)

I started journaling (something I told myself that I would never do), but I journal my reflections at the end of every day. It's lends a lot of incite. I wish I had started it years ago. Anyway - to relate it back to your comment - I'm also reacquainting myself with penmanship and writing - to myself.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 20, 2016 02:33 PM (4ng05)

237 167 I also need to start reading books more. I was a voracious reader until I discovered blogs. Now it takes a while to get through a book unless it's a real page turner.
I become worried sometimes that the Internet is damaging my ability to stay focused on books.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 20, 2016 02:14 PM (u0lmX)
******
I have the exact same problem. I also have a touch of ADD so that doesn't help. I can only read short pieces or else I drift off and can't concentrate.
I miss reading books.
:-(
Posted by: L, Elle at October 20, 2016 02:17 PM (6IPEM)


*********************

Yes, all of this applies to me.

Posted by: Texas Zombie at October 20, 2016 02:33 PM (SUtNI)

238 Happy Bday, SFGoth! You're 29 just like Ace. That's a good age to be. What kind of cake do you like? You have to have cake.

http://youtu.be/MjF1bG5LUcs

Posted by: L, Elle at October 20, 2016 02:33 PM (6IPEM)

239 I've re-read the entire WEB Griffin series starting with The Lieutenants, and also the entire Marine Corps series. Made the Summer go quickly.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 20, 2016 02:33 PM (0tfLf)

240 211
WWII



Crap, I could be reading until next winter. Better books than cats, I guess.



Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 20, 2016 02:23 PM (EnKk6)



I hear you and agree. Discovered Sophocles that way.



There's a number of great sites out there for very esoteric military
stuff, that even Amazon doesn't carry because there's no profit in
reselling a book on Estonian artillery uniforms from 1873. Suddenly you
realize you could spend a whole life and never read it all.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at October 20, 2016 02:26 PM (F26eZ)

seriously read "Letters from a Stoic" Seneca the elder. All of Xenophon. Study the stoics because THEY ARE US. It is suspected that seneca write the Satyricon. But that its only funny if you read his stoic writings. After his exile to gaul his best quote that i love is "It is better to know many useless things, than nothing at all." (likely said concerning being exiled by Nero.) Read also the unexpurgated Gaius Valerius Catulus, he could also be a moron. Please, the classics dont have to boring. These wre people who had pictures of a god with a giant penis painted over most doorways. They knew how to laugh, and they werent boring, the historians did try to make them that way so we would not read them, though.

Posted by: Gushka Can Has Kittehs what plays fetch! at October 20, 2016 02:33 PM (YhV5r)

241 Seconded Wheeler Dealers, lots of fun almost no reality show drama, really likable guys, regular cars fun stuff.

And yeah, no SABRmetrics. Some of it is okay but stick to classic baseball. Don't love numbers, love the game. With Baseball I've found the announcers make the biggest difference. A great announcer team - Mets, Giants, Padres, etc - makes the game. A poor team - Cardinals, Yankees, etc - makes it interminable.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 02:33 PM (39g3+)

242 Maybe learn to play a musical instrument? (I'm a musician so that's what I always suggest to people). It helps improve hand-eye coordination, exercises your brain & doesn't have to be expensive, we're living in a golden age of instrument makers, even inexpensive stuff is better now than it was in years past.

Hit craigslist or a local music for used stuff store but stay away from pawn shops unless you really know what you're looking for, their prices tend to be outrageous.

Posted by: Fred Weldon at October 20, 2016 02:34 PM (GuPwg)

243 #94 I went to sleep watching a classical pianist play Claire de Lune.

Posted by: kbdabear at October 20, 2016 02:03 PM (Ya7zs)
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That's a coincidence! I always wanted Mr. Deplorable to learn Claire de Lune, but he didn't have time before he died. Yesterday I watched Paul Barton play it on Youtube, and imagined those were Mr. Deplorable's hands I was watching.
This is the Youtube video I watched, wondering if it's the same one you watched. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fvo_iOuSck
FWIW, I've been a little crazy since he died. I feel like I can share this with my fellow 'rons and 'ettes. The people IRL would be alarmed to hear this.
In June, I began to write a wish-fulfillment manuscript to access my happy memories of him. I hadn't allowed myself to do that for over two years. It's a time travel fantasy, where we get to live an alternate reality taken up from the time we met in 1974. Here is an excerpt. I listened to Claire de Lune while writing it, to put myself into the scene.
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We walked to the Hopkins Center, where a few people sat on benches
scattered throughout and talked in low voices.
I sat on a bench near the piano and said to him, "Why don't you
warm up while we're waiting for our parents?"



So he removed his coat and gave it to me. I placed it with mine on the bench beside me,
and waited for him to begin.



"This is something I've been practicing especially for
you, Karen Ann."



He began to play, and I recognized the first notes of "Claire
de Lune." Oh, that sweet man! He remembered how I'd loved that tune, and
asked him back in normal time to learn it so he could play it for me. He never had, but did so now.



I sat there in the fading light and listened to the notes
falling around me like warm raindrops, with tears of joy running down my
cheeks. This wonderfully talented man
loved me and only me. The beauty of this
music felt like a reflection of the love he showered on me. His chin was tucked down, his face intent on
the keys. Cascades of notes poured from
his hands. I was enraptured, and so were
those who listened.



Others moved towards the piano, drawn by the beauty. All conversation ceased. The notes slowed, drew us into the spaces
between them. I saw our parents paused at
the top of the stairs, listening, transfixed.
As the last few notes trickled from his fingers, they walked forward and
I wiped my wet cheeks.

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 20, 2016 02:34 PM (BcNLK)

244 Posted by: Annalucia at October 20, 2016 02:32 PM (a5bF3
I'm Portuguese, but I don't speak a word. My dad did. I recognize it immediately though when I hear it spoken.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:34 PM (Q5Ymk)

245 I've been staying at my sister-in-law's house for the past three days. She badly broke some ankle bones and needed surgery. I've been knitting some to pass the time, and last night my 7yo niece wanted to learn. She was catching on, even. Made me super happy.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at October 20, 2016 02:34 PM (y9k+Y)

246 Is it the Internet, or just shitty writers phoning
it in? The same as Hollywood. We complain that Hollywood is just phoning
it in.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2016 02:24 PM (CJOtA)

Yes, but I seem to have no trouble getting through a movie I like. I think it's the way the internet reinforces short attention spans.

Posted by: California Girl at October 20, 2016 02:34 PM (Pt5D1)

247 It just occurred to me, Hillary is like Sauron. She is offering people to put on the FSA rings. Once they put on the rings, she will have the One Ring of power. She is f*cking Sauron.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 20, 2016 02:34 PM (iFgwk)

248 They knew how to laugh, and they werent boring, the historians did try to make them that way so we would not read them, though.

The problem is that older historians treated Rome and Greece with a sort of reverent respect rather than just history. There's a lot to admire about Rome and Greece in their classic eras, but a lot to laugh at and be horrified about as well. Take the whole picture.

Its like the Bible, people can end up making it really boring when its full of unbelievable stories, gore, sex, crazy stuff, people being people.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 02:35 PM (39g3+)

249 Sorry for that weird formatting - no idea where it came from.

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 20, 2016 02:36 PM (BcNLK)

250 Posted by: Fred Weldon at October 20, 2016 02:34 PM (GuPwg)
I have a piano I should learn to play. That's on my list as well.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:36 PM (Q5Ymk)

251 I have a lifelong hobby painting miniatures, now there are people (its mostly males but there are some females as well) who paint to museum quality but I'm sure I dont fit into that group. But it is very good for me as its quite time and its a total get away from life. I have also carved a few sculptures in wood but while I have ideas for more haven't done it in years.

Posted by: Skip at October 20, 2016 02:36 PM (sWbjH)

252 222
>having weekly dinner parties somewhere



Friend of mine has cocktails parties where we dress up, eat finger foods and drink. but more like monthly, not weekly.

Posted by: Lea at October 20, 2016 02:29 PM (lIU4e)


I just tried this and invited Bebe and Alex In Exile and a few other friends. We played Cards Against Humanity, we ate dumb things and fun things Grimmy smoked meats. Alex in Exile made delicious pulled pork. Seriously people were like "When are we doing this again?" unexpectedly fun. Nobody wanted to go home.

Posted by: Gushka Can Has Kittehs what plays fetch! at October 20, 2016 02:36 PM (YhV5r)

253 I mentioned this before, but when I was at BlogCon in denver, I was talking to [a Twitter idiot you all know] and Gabriel Malor and a third person I forget.

The Twitter Idiot and this other guy were checking in on twitter as we talked. (Gabe wasn't.) Anyway, we lost internet service and the Twitter Idiot began talking exclusively about the fact that we could not check twitter.

At which point I said to the Twitter Idiot, "Maybe we can try an work-around called 'Mouth-Tweeting' to each other."

I also didn't get his panic -- 90% of the poeple whose twitter feeds he would be checking were literally RIGHT IN THE ROOM with him, tweeting about being in the room.

He literally could have gone over to anyone whose tweets he was reading and simply asked, "Hey, what are you thinking lately?"

But instead, the Twitter Idiot was all about the twitter.

Really pathetic. I think that was when the idea "We were not meant to live this way" first occurred to me.

Well, Peter Gibbon said it in Office Space. But it really hit home at that moment. All of these people collected together, yet all looking at their phones which did not have an internet question, desperately praying for Twitter to come back on so they could talk to people sitting right next to them via twitter.


One of the saddest things I've ever seen.

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 02:36 PM (dciA+)

254 Yes, but I seem to have no trouble getting through a movie I like.

Best approach is to make it an event rather than just something else you do. Pop popcorn, set aside time, turn the phones off and set them aside, change the lights, get super comfortable, and just watch and enjoy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 02:36 PM (39g3+)

255 Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 20, 2016 02:34 PM (BcNLK)

------

That wasnt so bad.... but..... TO BARREL WITH YE!!

Posted by: fixerupper at October 20, 2016 02:37 PM (8XRCm)

256 I started journaling (something I told myself that I would never do), but I journal my reflections at the end of every day. It's lends a lot of incite. I wish I had started it years ago. Anyway - to relate it back to your comment - I'm also reacquainting myself with penmanship and writing - to myself.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 20, 2016 02:33 PM (4ng05)
*****
Okay, journaling is gay.
Letter writing not gay.

jk

Actually, I used to do that and got out of the habit. It's neat to go back and reread old entries. I remember things that I forgot about. It's also a very psychologically healthy thing to do. I need to get back to doing that. Thanks for reminding me.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 20, 2016 02:37 PM (6IPEM)

257 Posted by: California Girl at October 20, 2016 02:34 PM (Pt5D1)
When it's nice I go sit outside in the shade and read a book. Like I should be doing right now.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:37 PM (Q5Ymk)

258 I have a piano I should learn to play. That's on my list as well.
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:36 PM (Q5Ymk)

Me too, as a matter of fact. We bought it when our grandson lived with us and I have recently thought of tickling the ivories a bit my own self.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 20, 2016 02:37 PM (4ng05)

259 I went to sleep watching a classical pianist play Claire de Lune.

Posted by: kbdabear at October 20, 2016 02:03 PM (Ya7zs)


that is all I listened to yesterday

a spotify pianist playlist

it was wonderful, all day long, no commercials, just beautiful music

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 20, 2016 02:38 PM (qCMvj)

260 Like some, I believe, the term "wet work" in the Podesta emails three days before Scalia's death bothered me. It especially bothers me that multiple voter ID laws were overturned bc of the lack of a deciding (Scalia) vote in the SC during the last few months. Now, the obama-appointed judge in FL, walker, is playing havoc w voter laws days before the election. Forcing the acceptance of votes, prior to the verification process, in order to let the newly registered early vote makes no sense, unless you wish to ensure the votes of those ineligible to vote are counted. If one's goal was to question the outcome and ensure no SC oversight, the loss of Scalia could not have been more fortuitous for hillary.

Posted by: ever at October 20, 2016 02:38 PM (kronK)

261 I started volunteering with Big Brothers Big Sisters as something to do, my wife and I cannot have kids. I am barely making a difference, but I am making one.

Posted by: chelsea danger at October 20, 2016 02:38 PM (jpmvb)

262 When Oscar Goodman was mayor of Las Vegas, he was visiting a third grade class. He was asked what his hobby was. He answered, "Drinking gin."

Posted by: Furious George at October 20, 2016 02:38 PM (dYw0K)

263 Well, there is the Central Texas Moron Meetup to look forward to, and that may be the capstone to my illustrious career as an AoS fanboy (now I am being sarcastic). A while back you mentioned the possibility of hanging it up as well. If you do, good luck in your future pursuits. You've got talent, an audience, and , I'm sure, other irons in the fire. Via con dios, amigo.
Posted by: Sirius the Canine Pundit at October 20, 2016 02:19 PM (LBO1U)

*************************

Looking forward to the meetup! I plan to bring more whiskey than I can drink on my own so, you know, help a fella out!

Posted by: Texas Zombie at October 20, 2016 02:38 PM (SUtNI)

264
My breath smells of garlic and cock
__________________________

Hector I know that's you!! Get up off your fat ass and take the garbage out!! Useless little turd ball....

Posted by: Hectors' mom at October 20, 2016 02:39 PM (HSmrB)

265 >>>I also need to start reading books more. I was a voracious reader until I discovered blogs. Now it takes a while to get through a book unless it's a real page turner.


yeah, me too. Partly why i'm learning new languages and even exercising. somewhere along the line the hyperlink destroyed my focus and made me ADD.

The book I reviewed here "Deep Work" by Carl Newport prodded me to begin taking at least one day off from the internet completely (the internet Sabbatical, he calls it) and to shut down from the computer outside of certain hours.

(The latter habit has been eroded of late with the election coming up.)

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 02:39 PM (dciA+)

266 Have you trained service dogs before? If not, it's not like teaching a dog to sit and stay. Little more involved.
*********************

I won't do it on my own, fortunately there are programs where I'm paired with a professional trainer I can join to start off the dog with basic obedience, get canine good citizen training and certification, and then move on from there to service dog specific training. It's the sort of thing I'd like to do that would occupy my time and keep my mind on more constructive things, rather than say, getting banned for telling trolls on the internet to go stick their dicks in a hornet's nest.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at October 20, 2016 02:39 PM (bH+An)

267 234 Hey, Iblis - I'm studying Portuguese too, though I'm going to an actual class rather than doing Duolingo. My teacher is Brazilian, and the fact is that there are a lot more Brazilians than there are Peninsular Portuguese, so that's what you're going to hear, most of the time.

To help things along I've bought a copy of "A Socedade do Anel" (that is, "The Fellowship of the Ring") and reading it, slowly.

BTW - people asking about oven thermometers - you can get them at any hardware store, and they're a great help if you think your oven is running too hot (or cool).
Posted by: Annalucia at October 20, 2016 02:32 PM (a5bF3)


The Mrs. (Portuguese native) is my teacher. She actually taught Portugese when she was in school. We spend summers there and the Azores, so Duolingo is good for helping me build my vocabulary.

Posted by: Iblis at October 20, 2016 02:39 PM (9221z)

268 One of the saddest things I've ever seen.

Yeah, its pathetic what we're turning into as a people. Americans fetishize technology in a real cargo cult way: they don't know what it does, how it works, or where it came from, and don't really care. We're sold stuff because its new and gadgety and technological, not because its useful or even reasonable. Cars that warn you when you're straying out of the lane, when nobody who's driving should even have that happen with the slightest effort and skill. But its COOL! My car has technology!!!!

I spent a week at the coast never touching social media. I didn't miss it. I don't really even like it, its just sort of obsessive to check it and see what people said about me or my comments or stuff I'm thinking about. It all raw ego and really unbecoming.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 02:39 PM (39g3+)

269 For those of you who got "blogged" to where your brain doesn't work on books any more: Fear not, I was once as you are now.

It was actually ACE OF SPADES HQ (TM) that got me started back on reading again with The Crying of Lot 39 and Fall of the House of Usher.

I set myself a GoodReads goal of 37 books for 2016 and have read 63 (that I've noted there, I don't log everything I read). And the beauty of reading that much is, you don't really have to care overmuch about what you read. I've read Aeschylus, Irving, Balzac, and bunches of (often not great) sci-fi writers.

My general preference is to read stuff before 1950, but the books I have on my shelf--a lot of it is from the '60s and '70s, where all the scifi is overpopulation, overpollution, dystopic ennui. But whatever: I read it, a few days later I'm on the next book. And I try to mix things up to not get worn down by the world view.

You get the SKILLZ back, is what I'm saying.

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 02:39 PM (7zeA4)

270 Current workout: Bench, crouching dumbbell curl, hammer curl, lateral raise, shoulder shrug, chest fly, squat, shoulder press, forearm rollup, lat pulldown.

No weight: pushups, chin ups, standing calf raise, crunches.

Walking, especially up and down hills.

I have to rest longer between sessions at 67, so 2 times one week, 3 the next is my frequency, with a week off every 5-6 weeks.


Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 20, 2016 02:40 PM (3myMJ)

271 230 I have tuned the election out. I wonder what happens after? Do we go
back to normal or does the divisiveness carry over? This year I have
concentrated on what I can control.

I read 19 books this summer.
The entire Brad Thor series and started Vince Flynn. I loved the
Clancy books. I have re-read Hunt for Red October a few times. I
really enjoy reading.

I did a lot of traveling with my family
this year. 10 year anniversary trip to Vegas, Grand Canyon, Monument
Valley with my wife and I hauled my 8,5 and 2 year old girls to Mount
Rushmore along with my wife and mom. It was a 20 hour car ride one way
but it was fun.

I guess this is my long way of saying that I have
been tuning it out. Let's face it politicians have been a constant
stream of disappointment for a long time. I think if you immerse
yourself in what is around you and not so much on the central planners,
life is more tolerable, even enjoyable.
Posted by: jj at October 20, 2016 02:31 PM (+FQOh)

*******

I love everything about this comment. I especially love the part about reading Hunt for Red October multiple times. It's been a long time but I read it two or three times when I was a teenager way back in the 90s.

Posted by: Texas Zombie at October 20, 2016 02:40 PM (SUtNI)

272 [a Twitter idiot you all know]

JeffB ?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 20, 2016 02:40 PM (QQ+il)

273 I wish this thread had come along earlier in the day, because I don't have any time to be on it now.

In any event, what I should do is finish writing my new book. It's just that I can't get past a deadly combination of writer's block / laziness / hopelessness.

Cutting down on my constant drinking would probably help.

Anyway, I'll check this thread tomorrow. Maybe I can pick up some inspiration from you Morons.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 20, 2016 02:40 PM (X6fMO)

274 >>> is when I've turned off my computer to let it cool down

I know; you put up a 1000+ word post talking about how you want to change your life, and I focus on a throwaway line about how your computer needs to cool down sometimes.

But, it shouldn't. I assume you already shut it off for the 8 hours give or take when you are sleeping. There is no reason it shouldn't be able to run the other 16 hours continuously. If it is overheating, you have a problem. One that will only get worse. Possibly dying completely at a time when it is very inconvenient and maybe even cause you data loss.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 20, 2016 02:40 PM (R+30W)

275 >>>261 I started volunteering with Big Brothers Big Sisters as something to do, my wife and I cannot have kids. I am barely making a difference, but I am making one.

that's awesome. Mary Katharine Ham told me Rich Lowry does that. Even when Rich Lowry annoys me, I never take a shot at him, because I give him a total pass for giving his time to kids.

And I don't even know if that's true. Just something I heard.

Congratulations on making such a wonderful choice.

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 02:40 PM (dciA+)

276 Delete all political sites from my favorites.

I'd have to favorite AoSHQ vs. pinned tab and most commonly typed URL 1st.

Posted by: DaveA at October 20, 2016 02:40 PM (8J/Te)

277 I cannot say enough good things about these threads. I feel the same way TexasZombie feels and hearing the horde's experiences and interests is friggen inspiring.

I think Ace hit on something important; how we're meant to be as humans. Curious, constantly learning, doing different things and maybe sharing that with others.

Posted by: Seems legit at October 20, 2016 02:41 PM (U+nHb)

278 sted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 02:36 PM (dciA+)
When we have a BBQ at my office for one of the girls in the office the whole time we are eating and sitting there those girls sit and stare at their phones. It drives me crazy.

I see people out to dinner and instead of talking to each other they're too busy staring at their phones and taking pictures of the food. It's ridiculous.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:41 PM (Q5Ymk)

279 Coming in hot and late, but the mental side of combat books that Ace is looking for are called On Killing and On Combat by Dave Grossman.

Posted by: tbeats27 at October 20, 2016 02:41 PM (+KIk6)

280 Some good ideas there except I've already ditched football. I will not watch rich brats shit on those who gave so much for them to be assholes. But I am hooked on baseball and have been since I can remember. I already "forget" my cell phone at home quite often. Or it's in one of my saddlebags on the bike where I can't hear it over the pipes anyway.

Posted by: Bill R. at October 20, 2016 02:41 PM (GYuMu)

281 Dennis Miller preached this since 2012. It's over. It's America 180. Time to focus on family and friends and things you can control. There is no sense wasting emotional energy on things you have no control over. It's called living inside out.

I no longer follow politics. I read way more than I used too- but don't really read books that deal with time before about 1900. I read about the Romanovs, the Holy Roman Empire, the Plantagenets, Marcus Aurelius. Something remote.

I also recommend working with your hands. Get some backyard chickens, a little garden, build sheds, etc. I am convinced the further we went away from manual work, the less happy we became.

Posted by: Hotdog at October 20, 2016 02:41 PM (OHyGW)

282 When the political world gets me down, as it has done so frequently in this cycle, I've found several escapes that have cleansed my soul of the dark matter of depression.

I'll put my boat in the water to go fishing, sometimes with a friend, sometimes by myself. I'll physically watch the bars on my iPhone disappear as I get out of cell and data range in the Gulf of Mexico. Then I put the thing in the center console and pay it no heed, except maybe to take a picture of a particularly nice fish like a king mackerel. The peace I get on the iridescent water stills my soul like nothing else. No political sites. No news. And it's just fine. Every now and then, the jets from Eglin or Tyndall will scream overhead and nothing is absolutely wrong with the world when I'm in the boat.

When I'm at work flying for a helo company based out of Galliano 3 times per week, I find peace as I'm at the controls of a helicopter. My iPhone is always turned off in the cockpit and all I'm worried about are my instruments and our passengers headed out to one of many oil platforms out in the Gulf. You see things out there that just take you away from the interconnected world, to a simpler time when we weren't slaves to lighted boxes we carry around in our pockets.

Also, my oldest grandson is a huge Lego fan. He's brought over some of his bricks to the house (his parents live about 2 hours away) and I've started buying more. We've turned my office/music room/man cave into a Lego world, complete with shelves, trains, buildings and happy minifigures living perfectly content lives.

We build together, buildings, scenes, cars, machines and other things we might see on trips. Our latest project was a New Orleans-style shotgun house, complete with a minfigure that looks like Dr. John that has a lighted interior and an upright piano. I find peace amid the pieces as we talk about what we're going to build or we run the powered trains, which we've built in Norfolk Southern colors.

I'm looking forward to doing some deer hunting when things cool off, but I find so much peace when I shut down my phone, quit obsessing with things that are beyond my control and just live in the moment.

Posted by: grizzledcoastie at October 20, 2016 02:41 PM (GV08/)

283 With all good and understandable intentions this thread has.....the sweet, alluring fragrance of defeat.

Think Carthage. Doing so will prevent detours--no matter how attractive they may be.....

Posted by: !Deplorable Lives Matter! at October 20, 2016 02:41 PM (tKZea)

284 >>>But, it shouldn't. I assume you already shut it off for the 8 hours give or take when you are sleeping. There is no reason it shouldn't be able to run the other 16 hours continuously. If it is overheating, you have a problem. One that will only get worse. Possibly dying completely at a time when it is very inconvenient and maybe even cause you data loss.

i imagine so. I just want another half year out of this piece of shit, then I can buy a new computer without feeling guilty or indulgent or ripped off.

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 02:41 PM (dciA+)

285 And yeah, no SABRmetrics. Some of it is okay but stick to classic baseball. Don't love numbers, love the game. With Baseball I've found the announcers make the biggest difference. A great announcer team - Mets, Giants, Padres, etc - makes the game. A poor team - Cardinals, Yankees, etc - makes it interminable.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 02:33 PM (39g3+)

One of the things I missed when I left Southern California was the voice of Vin Scully. Even with Vin retired, I can still hear his voice clearly opening a broadcast with "It's time for Dodger Baseball"

Posted by: kbdabear at October 20, 2016 02:41 PM (Ya7zs)

286 None. What's the point anyway?

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 20, 2016 02:42 PM (8SjMY)

287 I've been watching TIMELESS, because I have a soft spot for time travel shows ever since QUANTUM LEAP (or before - VOYAGERS! maybe?).

But it's not really grabbing me like I think it should.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 20, 2016 02:42 PM (tapYd)

288 Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 20, 2016 02:34 PM (BcNLK)

You made me cry. Thank you for sharing your loving thoughts of your husband.

Posted by: California Girl at October 20, 2016 02:42 PM (Pt5D1)

289 My life change plan is to try and do less stupid shit and more smart shit.

It a plan, anyway. A goal, of sorts. Implementation is proving difficult, though.

Posted by: Weasel at October 20, 2016 02:42 PM (Sfs6o)

290 Current workout: Bench, crouching dumbbell curl, hammer curl, lateral raise, shoulder shrug, chest fly, squat, shoulder press, forearm rollup, lat pulldown.

No weight: pushups, chin ups, standing calf raise, crunches.

Walking, especially up and down hills.

I have to rest longer between sessions at 67, so 2 times one week, 3 the next is my frequency, with a week off every 5-6 weeks.


Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 20, 2016 02:40 PM (3myMJ)

----

Damn Mere..... You do all that at one workout???

Split that shit up a bit. There are a ton of splits to use out there....

Posted by: fixerupper at October 20, 2016 02:42 PM (8XRCm)

291 For those who have trouble reading books now, go ahead and try audio versions.
I resisted this for ages but finally succumbed last summer.

I had been meaning to read Anna Karenina for ages. It's the one major Russian classic I've never read. But I just kept putting it off --- until my daughter got me an audio.

Sooooo, to be nice to her I guess, I put it on when I was painting the kitchen/family room. Then, given it's a looong book, I cleaned out a few closets. And sorted out old photos and made a couple of scrapbooks.
And polished silver. And built a Gothic cathedral.

(Okay, j/k about the last, but it's a looong book.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 20, 2016 02:43 PM (Nox3c)

292 <<Now, I really have to stop watching the stupid zombie-habit shows I'm
wasting my time with. Like I said I would do, but then, get this, did
not do.>>

I'm still watching Arrow. That's a confession, not just a statement. I told myself I was done last season, and I don't necessarily jump on every new episode (CW now streams through my Roku), but I get bored and look around for something to watch...

...and that's my problem right there.

Posted by: SGT York at October 20, 2016 02:43 PM (ITvKk)

293 Alrighty y'all, I'm off to bring donuts to my daughter's class since it's her birthday. Headed out to do some real life. Leaving the phone behind.

Posted by: Texas Zombie at October 20, 2016 02:44 PM (SUtNI)

294 >>>I also recommend working with your hands. Get some backyard chickens, a little garden, build sheds, etc. I am convinced the further we went away from manual work, the less happy we became.

this has occurred to me a LOT. I keep thinking about seeing if there's some adult learning center that teaches auto repair.

I know a guy -- Noah Pollack, a writer -- who actually just restores Porsches. He buys an old wreck of a Porsche, you know, like just the chassis and a few panels intact, then puts them back into working order.

he winds up with a classic Porsche for -- I don't know, let's say $20,000, plus all the time he put into it. But of course he enjoys that aspect, so it's not a cost really.

Anyway, I swear to God I'd pay someone a lot of money to teach me to do this. what an awesome skill.

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 02:44 PM (dciA+)

295 Skip, I may be mistaken or misremembering but I believe AllenG also paints miniatures. You guys should talk. I think it's a newer hobby for him so you can probably give him alot of tips.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 20, 2016 02:44 PM (6IPEM)

296 Did somebody say MOVIEZ???

Look, this is why I go to the theater: When I'm there, I'm totally focused. The movie is better--with the possible exception of the sort of sloppy porridge blockbuster Hollywood thrives on these days--and you have a chance to actually experience something in 3D with other people.

Watching movies at home, well, you'll end up being on Twitter, Facebook, wherever. Not really watching.

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 02:44 PM (7zeA4)

297 Oh, and I was on a downward eating spiral and the last medical thread snapped me back. I feel better than ever (just being in control).

Posted by: Seems legit at October 20, 2016 02:44 PM (U+nHb)

298 If you want to read more, I recommend taking a Goodreads Challenge. Set the number of books you want to read in a year, and then review (or at least star rate) each one as you finish. It will remind you how you're doing compared to your challenge when you look at your page.

1 book a week is not a lot to ask, and that's 52 books a year. I did 100 last year but cut it down to 75 because I had to really cram some in to get there and I can't reliably read 2 books a week and get writing done.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 02:44 PM (39g3+)

299 It's like GAINZZZ for your BRAINZZZ.

I'd like better odds for monetary payoff.
I've gone back to classes about a dozen times.
One paid off.
It did pay for 2 race cars though so not all bad.

Posted by: DaveA at October 20, 2016 02:44 PM (8J/Te)

300 Despite their size, they are incredibly gentle and afectionate. Also
loyal and protective. Great guard dogs. They really don't eat that
much either like people would expect. Also not high energy dogs. - Lelle
=====

I'm bringing up the Clydesdale (or any other 'working' horse) comparison because it is so apt. The really big, hard-working, easy-keeper (cheap) is something we have forgotten.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 20, 2016 02:44 PM (MIKMs)

301 I like the internet because it allows me to share one of my hobbies with other people. I don't know anyone local for that. But seeing what other people are doing, and sharing what I'm doing, motivates me to not neglect my hobby.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at October 20, 2016 02:44 PM (y9k+Y)

302 I genuinely enjoy prepping.

Growing and stocking food. Planning. Optimizing stockpiles. Learning new prepper stuff.

Not kidding. I really enjoy it.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 20, 2016 02:44 PM (m3RIE)

303 ITA that a social component helps you stay on task with a new hobby. I love Meetup.com, there are groups for every interest under the sun. I found a terrific knitting group through there, and through that a local guild, and through the guild a lot of volunteer opportunities that have led back to more meet-ups, etc.

Posted by: Dora Suarez at October 20, 2016 02:44 PM (0/Svj)

304 I think I'll dedicate myself to being a cheap bastard. That way I can buy more ammo and range time for the firearms that I totally do not own.
Damned sea kayak.


Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at October 20, 2016 02:44 PM (FtrY1)

305 Posted by: Hectors' mom at October 20, 2016 02:39 PM (HSmrB)
Okay, that was funny.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:45 PM (Q5Ymk)

306 >>>I won't do it on my own, fortunately there are programs where I'm paired with a professional trainer I can join to start off the dog with basic obedience, get canine good citizen training and certification, and then move on from there to service dog specific training. It's the sort of thing I'd like to do that would occupy my time and keep my mind on more constructive things, rather than say, getting banned for telling trolls on the internet to go stick their dicks in a hornet's nest.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at October 20, 2016 02:39 PM (bH+An)

You want a dog under 2 years old and either from a breeder or a specialized rescue and one in a foster.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 20, 2016 02:45 PM (WM5ho)

307 Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 02:37 PM (Q5Ymk)

Me, too. Think I'll say "Adios" for the rest of the day. See ya later!

Posted by: California Girl at October 20, 2016 02:46 PM (Pt5D1)

308 >I had been meaning to read Anna Karenina for ages.

I read it in high school. It was ok, but I prefer Dostoyevsky.

>hopelessness.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 20, 2016 02:40 PM (X6fMO)

Take care of yourself. I'm never sure how to take people's depression symptoms, but hopelessness is one.

Posted by: Lea at October 20, 2016 02:46 PM (lIU4e)

309 Posted by: fixerupper at October 20, 2016 02:42 PM (8XRCm)

Not using very heavy weights right now, the free weight portion takes about 35 minutes. Coming back from injury and will go to splits and heavier weights if I don't get hurt again. My tendons are not as strong as my muscles so I have to watch that.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 20, 2016 02:46 PM (3myMJ)

310 7 Yea, I'm close to just walking away from all of it. I'll still vote, but just won't care all that much. I honestly envy people like my wife that views elections like I look at football games.

I personally don't think it's going to go our way this time and we have some dark days ahead, but not sure what good being depressed and angry about it all the time is going to do for me.

Either God has a plan and is in control or he doesn't.

Posted by: Maritime

MY understanding is man has been given free will to fuk things up if we choose to.

If man goes too far astray you get a devastating flood or Hillary administration. Don't blame God. He didn't fill 47% of the population with greed and laziness and another 40 % with stupidity.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at October 20, 2016 02:46 PM (kfcYC)

311 Re Ace and not being there:

I think I saw the pinnacle of not-there-ness last month at the Knott's Halloween Haunt.

This is a special once-a-year kind of event, you pay a fair amount of money for to experience fear and creepiness (and cool maze design/makeup, which is what we like), and you see people walking around LOOKING AT IT THROUGH THEIR PHONES.

At The Hanging, the big stunt show, I looked out on the crowd and just saw a sea of phones.

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 02:46 PM (7zeA4)

312 One thing that I started doing a few weeks ago is watching productions of Ancient Greek drama on Youtube.

I'm working backwards on this list:

http://www.bachelorsdegreeonline.com/blog/2011/10-greek-plays-that-are-essential-to-any-education/

Why? Because the Greek playwrights were good at perceiving the faults in human nature. Because I'd read (maybe) one Greek play before (Agamemnon - again...maybe), and my classical education was piss poor. And, because this stuff is entertaining.

Lysistrata is really funny.

Ajax is really tragic and emotional.

It's a wealth of insight into human nature, and it's all open to all of us. Instead of spending a couple of hours watching the Big Bang Theory, how about a random production of Alcestis or Medea or The Libation Bearers? You won't have contributed to big media in any way, and you'll have enriched your knowledge of Western culture. Do that once a week and in a few months, you've seen most of what survives.

I'm really enjoying it myself.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 02:46 PM (vur0q)

313 Here's what you do on Facebook... join groups of interest. For me as a home cook and baseball fan that is Perfect Sourdough, Home Curing, Serious Eats, MLB Baseball, SF Giants etc. Then as those new "hobby sites" start to fill up your FB, start defriending your political friends. You will transform social media from a political site to a hobby site. It is easy to do.

Posted by: scofflaw_x at October 20, 2016 02:46 PM (Wcu0E)

314 Watching movies at home, well, you'll end up being on Twitter, Facebook, wherever. Not really watching.

Easy enough to fix. When you make your movie watching an event, shut off the phone, laptop, etc and put them in another room. Every time you think about how you want to tweet something about the movie, just remember it for later and lie back and relax, enjoy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 02:47 PM (39g3+)

315 I play Magic: The Gathering a couple times a week at local game stores. It's actually awesome and several of the regulars are my age (mid-late 30's) and not small children like one might guess. Made lots of friends I'd not have met otherwise.

Posted by: DLJeff at October 20, 2016 02:47 PM (ntEks)

316 I'm thinking I should quit volunteering at my kids school, which is full of leftist and get a paying job. Quit politics/news and just try to be low information. The hardest thing would be to just move out of socialist, fascist Austin. Can't get my husband aboard that. He is much happier since he believes this is all part of God's will and there is a reason for this decline. No, he is in no ways a leftist either. {sigh} I keep thinking....what is the purpose of all this?????.... and that can be a dangerous path. Maybe I can just get a prescription for xanex......

Posted by: lindafell de spair-Irredeemable, deplorable, racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, islamaphobic, k at October 20, 2016 02:47 PM (JNDQi)

317 I quit masterbating while using my cell phone. I mean, come on. Who needs a cell phone?

Posted by: Soona at October 20, 2016 02:47 PM (Fmupd)

318 Jeff @ 287

Same here...they are going to have to move the story line along a bit so we can follow just who is doing what to whom. Otherwise its just a comic book tv show demonstrating how WWII might look or the Civil War.

Posted by: Deplorable Diogenes at October 20, 2016 02:47 PM (0tfLf)

319
One of the saddest things I've ever seen.





Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 02:36 PM (dciA+)


this is why i try to keep to my lifestyle outdoors, tied to the seasons and animals and their people, in a setting where phones will be broken and people dont Twitter or even email much. They still call. Ben Had and I actually TALKED. our lives are tied to living things and live people and tending creatures much as humanity has had to do for millennia. I think this is good for the noodle. I think it takes you out of selfish concerns and forces you to move and problem solve. You make mistakes the real world consequences are death and injury and the best hope is expensive but not serious. It forces you to understand that everything you do is serious shit and impacts others. even if its just fucking around for the day... because a duty delayed might have an impact thats a lot of trouble later. Face to face communication with animals is paramount, and with their people as well. Its refreshing, but it makes the lives of people in cities seem alien, even though i can do it, i dont like to.

Posted by: Gushka Can Has Kittehs what plays fetch! at October 20, 2016 02:47 PM (YhV5r)

320 One thing is if Hillary wins I have the feeling I will really want to escape reality.

Posted by: Skip at October 20, 2016 02:48 PM (sWbjH)

321 martial art?

Learn how to fall down. It's a very valuable instinct when age starts to override whatever dexterity you once had.

Posted by: DaveA at October 20, 2016 02:48 PM (8J/Te)

322 >>>I'm still watching Arrow. That's a confession, not just a statement. I told myself I was done last season, and I don't necessarily jump on every new episode (CW now streams through my Roku), but I get bored and look around for something to watch...

...and that's my problem right there.

...

Exactly. That's why I vowed to take Flash, Arrow, Legends, and Survivor OFF the automatic DVR recording.

I think if I did that, I wouldn't watch these shows. Because I only watch them because I'm bored, then see, "Oh, I didn't see Survivor, and there it is, recorded and waiting for me."

However, I have not yet done that.

...

Update: I have finally removed Flash, Arrow, and Survivor from my DVR recording list. I left up Legends of Tomorrow but just because I wnat to see the Justice Society of America tonight. If that's lame -- which it almost certainly will be -- I'll get around to deleting that one too.

so the only two shows currently recording are Westworld (I got bored, and started watching this out of boredom, even though I have no interest in it) and Dual Survivor (which I do enjoy and will keep watching -- but only about ten shows per year).


Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 02:48 PM (dciA+)

323 I've taken up baseball so enthusiastically that I'm even following minor league games and keeping tracks on prospects.

It's fun to follow them through their minor league careers and see them shine in the big leagues. The excitement when Noah Syndergaard, Jacob deGrom, Matt Harvey, and Steven Matz went from prospects to an elite (unfortunately this year also fragile) rotation.

Minor league ballparks can be a lot of fun in many towns if the ownership puts some creativity into promotions or making a day at the park something quirky and enjoyable.

Posted by: kbdabear at October 20, 2016 02:48 PM (Ya7zs)

324 Duolingo is a great language learning app/site. Can't recommend that one enough.

Posted by: scofflaw_x at October 20, 2016 02:48 PM (Wcu0E)

325 One of the things I missed when I left Southern California was the voice of Vin Scully.

Now we all miss the voice of Vin Scully

I used to paint miniatures, when I was young. I was never great at it but I did come up with some pretty nice pieces. That was like 20 years ago and when I tried lately I can barely see what I'm doing. And the paints were mostly dried up.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 02:49 PM (39g3+)

326 313 Here's what you do on Facebook... join groups of interest. For me as a home cook and baseball fan that is Perfect Sourdough, Home Curing, Serious Eats, MLB Baseball, SF Giants etc. Then as those new "hobby sites" start to fill up your FB, start defriending your political friends. You will transform social media from a political site to a hobby site. It is easy to do.
Posted by: scofflaw_x at October 20, 2016 02:46 PM (Wcu0E)

I'm on several airplane fan pages on fb. I've never gotten so many "likes" on posts as I do when I post photos I've taken from air shows & museums.

Posted by: josephistan at October 20, 2016 02:49 PM (7HtZB)

327 Not making any long term plans. Don't think I will be around in 5 years. Just taking care of what I need to while here.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at October 20, 2016 02:49 PM (m3iiU)

328 oh i'm still watching Elementary. Which is on the bubble. but I gotta say, I do like the show. But maybe it's time for a cull anyway.

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 02:49 PM (dciA+)

329 291 For those who have trouble reading books now, go ahead and try audio versions.
I resisted this for ages but finally succumbed last summer.

I had been meaning to read Anna Karenina for ages. It's the one major Russian classic I've never read. But I just kept putting it off --- until my daughter got me an audio.

Sooooo, to be nice to her I guess, I put it on when I was painting the kitchen/family room. Then, given it's a looong book, I cleaned out a few closets. And sorted out old photos and made a couple of scrapbooks.
And polished silver. And built a Gothic cathedral.

(Okay, j/k about the last, but it's a looong book.)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 20, 2016 02:43 PM (Nox3c)

I forced myself to read it last year in order to say I did so. Conclusion: Tolstoy had real insights into the human condition. Also, he murdered his editor and buried his body on his estate somewhere. Or so I surmise.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at October 20, 2016 02:49 PM (RD7QR)

330 this has occurred to me a LOT. I keep thinking about seeing if there's some adult learning center that teaches auto repair.



Ace, check out community colleges.
Strangely enough, Dallas County Community College does.
Weird, but there you go. Last place I would have thought.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2016 02:50 PM (CJOtA)

331 I'm always working on my bass playing too of course. That's done at night. Flyfishing, Frisbee golf, hiking and rockhounding gets me outside.

So many pursuits, so little time. Who needs TV?

It's almost hiking/fishing time, so later gators.

Posted by: Meremortal, Bigly Matters... at October 20, 2016 02:50 PM (3myMJ)

332 I did a major FB purge, leaving only 55 on my friend list. Most of them are high school classmates and the few friends I've kept touch with over the years. I enjoy seeing old photos of my hometown, as posted in that hometown group. I hardly bother posting political stuff on FB anymore, since it's rather pointless. Who am I going to convince?

No need to use "favorites" - I just type the first few letters of the website URL and it comes up. AC=AoSHQ, I=Insty, PO=Powerline, D=Drudge, Z=Zerohedge. That covers most of my needs.

Discovered that I don't need to read an entire post, since by this time I'll know where it's going. What disturbs me is that I seem to be aware of more developments than Donald Trump, to judge by the first hour of the debate last night. Not much I can do about that except know less.


Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 20, 2016 02:50 PM (BcNLK)

333 I've always been a voracious reader and amateur student of philosophy. I credit that with really keeping me from the social media addiction. It provides you perspective from which you can judge the real value of things in your life. That type of conscious reflection.

After surviving 9/11, I also vowed to spend more time with the people and things I love. From that point on things like looking at the stars at night or in early morning took on a whole new meaning.

I was taught to focus on breathing during stressful time. Relieve it or not it works to focus your mind and body.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 20, 2016 02:50 PM (9vY6F)

334 Also another really good and health thing for me has been cutting out all talk radio. Listen to music instead or learn to enjoy silence.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 20, 2016 02:50 PM (6IPEM)

335 Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 20, 2016 02:34 PM (BcNLK)
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That's so wonderful a scene I might just start practicing some bits of Claire De Lune. Debussey won't mind how I hack it up, since he won't know.

Posted by: The Piano Is Over In The Corner at October 20, 2016 02:51 PM (w/exv)

336 There is some good TV out there, but you need to shift a mindset from watching television to watching shows. That is, don't just watch the TV, pick stuff to watch and shut off when its over. Like reading a book, you do it a while, then stop.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 02:51 PM (39g3+)

337 323 I've taken up baseball so enthusiastically that I'm even following minor league games and keeping tracks on prospects.

It's fun to follow them through their minor league careers and see them shine in the big leagues. The excitement when Noah Syndergaard, Jacob deGrom, Matt Harvey, and Steven Matz went from prospects to an elite (unfortunately this year also fragile) rotation.

Minor league ballparks can be a lot of fun in many towns if the ownership puts some creativity into promotions or making a day at the park something quirky and enjoyable.
Posted by: kbdabear at October 20, 2016 02:48 PM (Ya7zs)

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I can second this. I live in Charleston and we have a low A minor league team that feeds into the Yankees.

My work gets a dozen season tickets a year and gives them out for every game. It's baseball played by people who largely know what they're doing. It's a fun outing, and there's quite the thrill when you see something like an inside the park home run, even if it's just for a little out of the way team.

I also needed some respite from the A's terrible, horrible, no good season (the sequel).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 02:51 PM (vur0q)

338 oh i forgot, I record (and watch when I'm bored) big bang theory too.

that is really on the bubble. It's not funny anymore.

the only thing holding my interest at all is this project they're working on for the Air Force. Kind of an interesting thing.

but just not really great.

I'll give it a couple more weeks, then it gets culled too.

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 02:51 PM (dciA+)

339 Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 20, 2016 02:36 PM (BcNLK)

*It's a time travel fantasy, where we get to live an alternate reality taken up from the time we met in 1974. *

As my people are leaving this earth plane, one by one, I am having a similar experience. I haven't written down the alternate reality though - just forming my idea of what heaven will be like. Yes, I'm writing the script for my own heaven with my people who have preceded me.

Sincere condolences on your loss.

Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2016 02:51 PM (nNdYv)

340 Whatever your hobby I would think there are web sites by others, my wife was following a cooking/ farming blog site for years but she has dropped it. But we got lots of good tips and ideas from that.

Posted by: Skip at October 20, 2016 02:52 PM (sWbjH)

341 If "Elementary" didn't pretend to be Sherlock Holmes, I might like it more. As it is, its such an abomination and brutal rape of the actual Holmes stories and canon, I cannot stand it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 02:52 PM (39g3+)

342 Ace,

Try this instead of Big Bang once in a while:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KizZ9qwahn8

It's a much better alternative.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 02:54 PM (vur0q)

343 He is much happier since he believes this is all part of God's will and there is a reason for this decline.

Well...he's not wrong.

Turn from Him and what he asks of us, bad things happen.

This ain't rocket surgery.

Turn back to Him, repent our foolishness, and go back to the straight and narrow, things get better again.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, deplorably down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 20, 2016 02:54 PM (9krrF)

344 I've been unfollowing friends on fb so I don't have to deal with the political crap, but I haven't unfriended anyone. I could never deny people my witty insights on modern life, that's just cruel.

Posted by: josephistan at October 20, 2016 02:54 PM (7HtZB)

345 oh i forgot, I record (and watch when I'm bored) big bang theory too.

that is really on the bubble. It's not funny anymore.

the only thing holding my interest at all is this project they're working on for the Air Force. Kind of an interesting thing.

but just not really great.

I'll give it a couple more weeks, then it gets culled too.

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The nature of TV shows. They hold onto you because you invested 6, 7, 8 + years. Hard to let go at that point. I'm struggling to let go of Modern Family.

Posted by: SH at October 20, 2016 02:54 PM (gmeXX)

346 281----I also recommend working with your hands. Get some backyard chickens, a little garden, build sheds, etc. I am convinced the further we went away from manual work, the less happy we became.
Posted by: Hotdog at October 20, 2016 02:41 PM
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THIS.
x 1000

Arts, crafts, gardening, building. Any manual work that is creative or productive or both.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 20, 2016 02:54 PM (Nox3c)

347 You made me cry. Thank you for sharing your loving thoughts of your husband.


Posted by: California Girl at October 20, 2016 02:42 PM (Pt5D1)
=============Does that mean I'm a good writer?

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 20, 2016 02:54 PM (BcNLK)

348 Thinking about getting into home gunsmithing. Was going to build a AR-15 from a 80% lower (Because f--k you Hitlery) but now I'm pondering a CETME LV or CETME C. Decisons decisions...

Posted by: Jackal at October 20, 2016 02:55 PM (a29B8)

349 313 Here's what you do on Facebook... join groups of interest. For me as a home cook and baseball fan that is Perfect Sourdough, Home Curing, Serious Eats, MLB Baseball, SF Giants etc. Then as those new "hobby sites" start to fill up your FB, start defriending your political friends. You will transform social media from a political site to a hobby site. It is easy to do.

Posted by: scofflaw_x at October 20, 2016 02:46 PM (Wcu0E)

As long as everyone follows a NO POLITICS policy. Many people on the left and yes, on the right too can't help but throw in a political line and you end up with massive reply threads and demands for banning.

Posted by: kbdabear at October 20, 2016 02:55 PM (Ya7zs)

350 a nice dog that's low maintenance and fits my laid back lifestyle. Been the most aggravating experience ever

Get the easiest dog ever - a Cat.

Posted by: DaveA at October 20, 2016 02:55 PM (8J/Te)

351 315 I play Magic: The Gathering a couple times a week at local game stores. It's actually awesome and several of the regulars are my age (mid-late 30's) and not small children like one might guess. Made lots of friends I'd not have met otherwise.
Posted by: DLJeff at October 20, 2016 02:47 PM (ntEks)

A fellow planeswalker! Also opening this up to board games in general. Games have come a long way since Risk and Monopoly were the big ones. You'd be surprised how much replay value and strategy some of the games these days have.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 20, 2016 02:56 PM (KUaJL)

352 Ace, I love these threads. I feel lucky that I caught this one in real time so can comment and read comments. I always learn so much from people here bc there is much collective wisdom and knowledge in this group. So much inspiration too.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 20, 2016 02:56 PM (6IPEM)

353 Thirded Minor League Baseball. Its always a fun outing, with good food, nice outdoors, and happy people. Almost every game has something extra to it as a promotion, and its watching talented young guys have fun and play hard.

Because we have a Giants club out here, I've seen a dozens of great players go through the team and make it into the majors, including Brandon Crawford, Buster Posey, Pablo Sandoval, Tim Lincecum, Francisco Liriano, Cody Ransom and many more.

Its pretty cheap entertainment, too. Family fare. Almost all of them have picnic areas you can watch the game in and there are no bad seats.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 02:56 PM (39g3+)

354 I do say if I'm not building something I'm not happy, in work or play.

Posted by: Skip at October 20, 2016 02:57 PM (sWbjH)

355 <<Update: I have finally removed Flash, Arrow, and Survivor from my DVR recording list.>>

I got rid of my DVR for exactly the reasons you describe.

Still watch shows out of boredom because they are available instantly, but my viewing has gone way down because I was never able to truly get rid of scheduling on my DVR. Probably just me but whenever I would erase a scheduled show, I would convince myself I was going to miss something (similar to what you say about Legends; "I just want to see where they go with this...")

I still love Flash.

Posted by: SGT York at October 20, 2016 02:57 PM (ITvKk)

356 Believe it or not as long as a strict "NO POLITICS FROM ANY SIDE" policy is followed, one can have discussions of other things that people from both sides like.

I frequent a Mets fan site that has a strict no politics rule, and though I know that most of them are left and far left, I can have civil and even fun conversations with them. Helps when both sides agree that Jeff Wilpon is The Devil.

Posted by: kbdabear at October 20, 2016 02:58 PM (Ya7zs)

357 I started train watching and learning everything I can about motive power, equipment, and operation of railroads. Huge moving masses have always fascinated me.

It also takes me to geographical places I've never been. Discovered one of the most beautiful valleys I've ever seen right here in OK. And, surprisingly, it's been in the very area in which I grew up. Never knew about it until last spring.

Posted by: Soona at October 20, 2016 02:58 PM (Fmupd)

358 >>You want a dog under 2 years old and either from a breeder or a specialized rescue and one in a foster. Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 20, 2016 02:45 PM (WM5ho)

Couldn't agree more. We got a black Lab from a breeder at 8 weeks, and committed to spending the time needed to wicker her into our family--took her to training, worked every day on walks, spent time with her, corrected her, rewarded her. The first few months were...challenging. They sucked. Puppies are a pain in the ass, no two ways about it. She's 4 now, and every day is a blast. I think it was close
companionship and work from a very young age that made the difference.

I shoot geese when I can make time (not often), and thought about getting her into that, but that's a tremendous time/money commitment. Anyway, Splits is right--get a bred dog or a dedicated rescue/foster, young, and you'll never regret it.

Posted by: General Zod at October 20, 2016 02:58 PM (Bdeb0)

359 Looking forward to the meetup! I plan to bring more whiskey than I can drink on my own so, you know, help a fella out!

Posted by: Texas Zombie at October 20, 2016 02:38 PM (SUtNI)

You're bringing my tshirt AND extra booze?

Man I wish you was a chick.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 20, 2016 02:58 PM (Idu2i)

360 353 Because we have a Giants club out here, I've seen a dozens of great players go through the team and make it into the majors, including Brandon Crawford, Buster Posey, Pablo Sandoval, Tim Lincecum, Francisco Liriano, Cody Ransom and many more.

Its pretty cheap entertainment, too. Family fare. Almost all of them have picnic areas you can watch the game in and there are no bad seats.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 02:56 PM (39g3+)

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Nice.

What level of minors are they?

My low A team doesn't get much sent to the majors because good players either skip the level entirely or only spend a few weeks there.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 02:58 PM (vur0q)

361 I used to play Magic. And by "used to play" I mean when the game first came out in the Northwest, we played it hours every day for years on end. I had a suitcase full of cards, tens of thousands. Ended up selling them all eventually because I found that the game had changed so much I wasn't enjoying it any longer. The hundreds of dollars from the cards came in very handy, much more useful than sitting and gathering dust.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 02:58 PM (39g3+)

362 <<oh i forgot, I record (and watch when I'm bored) big bang theory too.



that is really on the bubble. It's not funny anymore.
>>

It took me awhile to realize that Big Bang is just FRIENDS with nerd jokes. I don't know how I didn't see that earlier.

Posted by: SGT York at October 20, 2016 02:59 PM (ITvKk)

363 I know a guy -- Noah Pollack, a writer -- who actually just restores Porsches. He buys an old wreck of a Porsche, you know, like just the chassis and a few panels intact, then puts them back into working order.

he winds up with a classic Porsche for -- I don't know, let's say $20,000, plus all the time he put into it. But of course he enjoys that aspect, so it's not a cost really.

Anyway, I swear to God I'd pay someone a lot of money to teach me to do this. what an awesome skill.

Posted by: Ace Miyagi



I'm largely self-trained, my dad was an engineer but couldn't change oil on a car.

My advice if it's something you want to learn is buy a cheap project car for like $2,000 or less (just something that makes you smile) and just jump in. Worse case will be no big deal, most likely you can make a little money improving it and flipping it when you get bored.

Check out YouTube and the web, you can find EVERYTHING you need to know nowadays.


It's actually amazing how you can do a job that a shop would charge thousands of dollars for in an afternoon. And it's incredibly satisfying.

Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2016 02:59 PM (UW0g+)

364 Keep Breitbart, Ace of Spades HQ, Black Five , Drudge, Pamela Geller, PJ Media, Gateway Pundit, and a few others. Delete Politico. Hot Air, NRO , and Free Beacon, as well as Fox News, and the rest of the MSM.

Posted by: uncle joe at October 20, 2016 02:59 PM (BpvWC)

365 289 "My life change plan is to try and do less stupid shit and more smart shit."


It's important to have the proper mix

Stupid shit is far more fun, but it can be expensive.

When we were younger, two other couples and us would charter a plane to go to dinner in Chicago (about 40 minutes away) once a month. The girls would dress up and we would wear our tuxes.

The plane would be met by a limo (a 30 inch stretch, not one of those Polish wedding block long abortions) and we would go for drinks at one place and dinner somewhere else. Good times.

Of course, that money would have been better spent elsewhere, but what the fuck, this ain't no dress rehearsal.

Keep stupid shit in your life. It makes it all worthwhile.

Posted by: jwest at October 20, 2016 02:59 PM (Zs4uk)

366 In order to change things for the better in ones life, one needs money. I have none.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 20, 2016 02:59 PM (LZood)

367 Westworld (I got bored, and started watching this out of boredom, even though I have no interest in it)

++++

I've been watching that too. It is a bit slow, and it is tough to relate to the android characters. I didn't see it at first, but the series owes a lot to Dollhouse (Joss Whedon's short lived series). But, instead of human beings who are getting their memories wiped (unsuccessfully), it's androids.

Problem is, how can you feel kinship with a machine that is starting to feel bursts of humanity? At least with Blade Runner, the machines were built with memories and feelings. With this series, it's like they are getting live updates that are making the machines somewhat human.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 20, 2016 03:00 PM (R+30W)

368 Gotta hit the yard, sifting compost of 2014, should have started weeks ago as its getting colder starting Saturday and its better doing it and not freezing.
Later, but will come back to see what others are writing about.

Posted by: Skip at October 20, 2016 03:00 PM (sWbjH)

369 I bought a yuuuge lot of odd dice of ebay & have been fooling around making my own games with them. I've made a pretty good dice wargame. If my nephew & his gaming friends like it, I might try to do a kickstarter for it & get it to market.

Posted by: josephistan at October 20, 2016 03:00 PM (7HtZB)

370 kbdabear --I frequent a Mets fan site that has a strict no politics rule, and though I know that most of them are left and far left, I can have civil and even fun conversations with them. Helps when both sides agree that Jeff Wilpon is The Devil.


Care to give the name? I'd like to go there and join. Most of them are so obnoxious left they make me wish ISIS would attack CitiField in the 7th game of the WS

Posted by: Tradd at October 20, 2016 03:00 PM (GSJcT)

371 People who are too connected to social media don't even realize what a life altering addiction it was is.

I have more friends who told me they've deleted their Social media presence than any other time I've remembered. A lot of them cite politics and this most recent election. That's especially true as it relates to Hillary supporters. He read me some of the maniacal things people wrote. It's stunning in its lack of introspection and intellectual judgement.

He said he could no longer be involved in a process where people were so irrational.

I honestly don't believe man was made to just mindlessly spit out in a limited amount of characters what is currently on his mind. Thinking is a process where you rationalize thoughts, not defend the irrational momentary impulses that are precursors to that process. People today are far too vested in the irrational because they have a social stake in defending what is often the indefensible.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 20, 2016 03:00 PM (9vY6F)

372 What level of minors are they?

Class A short season, but the Giants have one of the best farm systems in the game, so they bring their guys up slow and careful instead of rocketing them through too quickly. And it shows. Cards have the same kind of system, you can tell what teams have a good farm system by how good they are consistently for years at a time.

Like the Braves used to, then messed it all up.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 03:01 PM (39g3+)

373 I also love chasing tornados.

Posted by: Soona at October 20, 2016 03:01 PM (Fmupd)

374 >>>Keep stupid shit in your life. It makes it all worthwhile.

I LOVE WINONA!!!
:::dances:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 20, 2016 03:02 PM (WM5ho)

375 Hunt smufs.

Posted by: Gargamel at October 20, 2016 03:02 PM (PjWy4)

376 Ace, I posted about this a couple of weeks ago and I was thrilled that you responded to it.

I have decided to do 2 things. First, exhibit sacrificial kindness when I can. Second, as far as I am able I will bring prosperity to the people with whom I come into contact. The levers of power and corruption cannot touch those things.

I know you are not the religious type, but I would encourage you to read some weighty Christian works. Read it for what it says about our humanity and what the author is trying to convey. Take off the critical hat and try to join with the author. I would recommend C.S. Lewis' theological works and Dietrich Bonhoeffer. I don't recommend these works in an effort to proselytize but as a means of nourishment of your heart and soul.

If you would like to read the Bible unfiltered and without cartoon representations of what modern society has tried to push, read Matthew. King James. Then read Romans. NIV. I think they contain thought exercises that will blow you away and stretch you intellectually, if not spiritually. They will shed light on the new Pharisaism that has overtaken liberalism.

I hope you take this in the intended spirit. Not a nag or an underhanded provocation. I offer this in all sincerity and as an admirer of your wit, intelligence and tenacity.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at October 20, 2016 03:02 PM (EZWNE)

377 I got back into gardening, tai chi and CHinese martial arts.

For fun I got back into fishing, hunting, collecting military rifles, reloading and such.

I like activities that are
1.) Physical so there is no need to exercise for exercise sake.
2.) Increase self reliance and Have long term benefits that spill over into the rest of your life- For example martial arts and gun ownership help protect myself and family.

Gardening, canning, hunting, fishing etc, results in better food at a cheaper price.

In the end those things make you self reliant, which is a good place to be during the burning times.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at October 20, 2016 03:02 PM (cCxiu)

378 Not making any long term plans. Don't think I will be around in 5 years. Just taking care of what I need to while here.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW at October 20, 2016 02:49 PM (m3iiU)
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TKAW, you mentioned something like this recently too. Is this something you'd like to talk about? Maybe you have and I am just unaware? Or perhaps you don't want to, which is certainly your right.

Anyway, if there's anything we can do to help, please let us know.

Posted by: bluebell at October 20, 2016 03:02 PM (uHcnA)

379 "And I think absence from that world is what causes so much depression and stress in the current age."

Hey, don't knock it until you've really tried it...

Posted by: monastics at October 20, 2016 03:03 PM (AGJqR)

380 This thread has been up so long, I actually changed my life.


Who wants cookies?

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2016 03:03 PM (i3c+H)

381 329---- Tolstoy had real insights into the human condition. Also, he murdered his editor and buried his body on his estate somewhere. Or so I surmise.
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at October 20, 2016 02:49 PM (RD7QR)
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So true.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 20, 2016 03:03 PM (Nox3c)

382 >>>Problem is, how can you feel kinship with a machine that is starting to feel bursts of humanity? At least with Blade Runner, the machines were built with memories and feelings. With this series, it's like they are getting live updates that are making the machines somewhat human.

i was complaining about that. One, I can't indentify with a robot, especially a robot-robot. As the series goes on, presumably they will become human-like robots, but at the moment, I could not care less.

They introduce a good human character, Jimmie Simpson, the white hat Paladin type guy who came in ep 2. He's a good actor; he's like a James Spader type.

However, he's barely in the show. One human I care about, and he's not even in it.

three, I don't get why the robots play act their nonsense when there are no human beings around to watch them -- except the viewer watching the show on tv. Why would they bother?

And why do they think I want to watch this crap?

It reminds me of Red Dead Redemption. There were all these boring, boring bullshit scenes where you'd be riding a long distance and to cover the time the computer characters would have long, long boring conversations about libertarianism and other bullshit.

That's like Westworld -- why do I want to watch a show mostly about computer characters talking out a script written for them by someone else?

I assume this is going to change, but it's taking a while to get there, and my patience is depleting rapidly.

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 03:04 PM (dciA+)

383 >>Hunt smufs.


I think you mean Hunch.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at October 20, 2016 03:04 PM (i3c+H)

384 I hope you take this in the intended spirit. Not a nag or an underhanded provocation. I offer this in all sincerity and as an admirer of your wit, intelligence and tenacity.
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at October 20, 2016 03:02 PM (EZWNE)
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I would also recommend adding G. K. Chesterton to the mix.

Posted by: bluebell at October 20, 2016 03:04 PM (uHcnA)

385 I am planning on following Alec Baldwin's lead and leaving the country. Actually, I hope to wind up in Puerto Rico, but I may wind up in Italy. Italy is where my wife is from but things are pretty messed up there now. I definitely want to wind up somewhere where some nice clear salt water is very close.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 20, 2016 03:04 PM (4ng05)

386 Westworld was a bit of a let down. I'll still keep watching, but I thought having one of the Nolan brothers involved it was going to be epic. And I loved the original movie.

Slow story for the most part.

Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2016 03:04 PM (UW0g+)

387 I also love chasing tornados.

Posted by: Soona at October 20, 2016 03:01 PM (Fmupd)>>>
If they are anything like cars it is really best not to catch them.

Posted by: Zombie Dog at October 20, 2016 03:04 PM (tf9Ne)

388 Oh yeah and I really want to get better a knife sharpening. Really. I can't seem to master it, but oddly it's relaxing. I just can't seem to get the angles. Plus I've heard it's more of a "feel" thing.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 20, 2016 03:04 PM (9vY6F)

389
Keep stupid shit in your life. It makes it all worthwhile.

Posted by: jwest at October 20, 2016 02:59 PM (Zs4uk)
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Hector!! Forget you read that,, your kinda' stupid shit ain't what he's talking about!!! You little toe-headed turd....

Posted by: Hectors' mom at October 20, 2016 03:05 PM (HSmrB)

390 Game night with friends as an adult is great. Wine, good food, and a game like munchkin, cards against humanity, or even uno.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 20, 2016 03:05 PM (R/qhb)

391 Part of my being a prepper is just this: getting away from things and learning and doing new things. Plus the side benefit of probably being useful at some point in the future. While I enjoy learning for the sake of learning, I also enjoy acquiring new skills and knowledge that has a parctical side. Plus I learn what I am and am not capable of. Because there are so many facets to consider, the things to learn are endless. One of the new ones I'm planning on trying this year is tanning deer skins. Some friends of mine just took a wild foraging class. Also, it's an excuse to "test the bugout bag" and go hiking or camping.

Posted by: Country Singer at October 20, 2016 03:05 PM (uiwCw)

392 Learn to enjoy simple things more and expect less from those around you.

Good prepping if you get "re-settled east" if Hillary steals the election.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 20, 2016 03:05 PM (61bqj)

393 I agree that doing physical labor with tangible results is very good for the soul and not only rewarding but actually healing. Too much modern work is a lot of effort for nothing to show, just another day's stack of work. Gardening, landscaping, building, those things give you direct, tangible, and observable results.

One of the best books on labor I ever read was Studs Terkel's book Working where he just interviewed people about jobs. The work with the least tangible, specific outcomes were the most soul destroying. Terkel is a massive leftist jackwagon, but he didn't imprint any of that in the book. Its just people unburdening about jobs from steelworkers to prostitutes.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 03:06 PM (39g3+)

394 Either God has a plan and is in control or he doesn't


If God is in control and we've been watching his plan unfold throughout history, then that's horrifying.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 20, 2016 03:07 PM (8SjMY)

395 I think I need to learn how to make more meals with dirt as an ingredient. And leaves, too.

Posted by: t-bird at October 20, 2016 03:07 PM (2z74n)

396 So without getting into specifics, I'm doing one of the classics, or a form of it.

not one of the more modern, probably-more-efficient-about-teaching-you-to-win-a-fight forms.

Posted by: ace at October 20, 2016 01:48 PM (dciA+)


That's how I am about yoga. I want all the mystical clear your mind bullshit, not just trying to get back to being able to do a wall split. (For anyone who is all what's a wall split, that would be this: http://bit.ly/2eLdOis) [ Yes, I used to be able to do that but I also used to be 19 and weight 92 pounds, not mumblety and weighing, well, not 92 pounds ]


A note on my advice about photography. As I've noted before, the introvert secret to social events is learning to take photographs because if you are behind the lens you are not in front of it. But. If you are focusing through the lens, you are missing out too. I realized when we were whale watching in Alaska that I was so focused on getting pictures of the whales that I wasn't actually looking at the whales so I put the camera down.

Which, of course, is when there was a breach because of course.

Posted by: alexthechick - at least four feet too short at October 20, 2016 03:07 PM (mf5HN)

397 That's like Westworld -- why do I want to watch a show mostly about computer characters talking out a script written for them by someone else?

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What makes ZERO sense to me is why the robots are even having a storyline and all these interactions when there are no humans even involved.

I guess it's making a point about reality or something, but the idea of an amusement park having the computers interact with each other that has nothing to do with the guests is just illogical that it almost ruins the show.

Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2016 03:07 PM (UW0g+)

398 In order to change things for the better in ones life, one needs money. I have none.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 20, 2016 02:59 PM (LZood)
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Not so. You can get a library card for free, and you can go for walks in a local park for free. Just doing those two things right there can make a world of difference in your life.

Posted by: bluebell at October 20, 2016 03:07 PM (uHcnA)

399 369 I bought a yuuuge lot of odd dice of ebay & have been fooling around making my own games with them. I've made a pretty good dice wargame. If my nephew & his gaming friends like it, I might try to do a kickstarter for it & get it to market.

DO IT DO IT DO IT

And let us know, okay? Kickstarter is great.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 20, 2016 03:07 PM (u0s1P)

400
There are lots of kits available to assemble electronic devices, as I linked above. For boys and girls of all ages.

You ignore my links at your own peril.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 20, 2016 03:07 PM (bOJUT)

401 I'm finding that the things that I thought could distract me from politics are themselves becoming increasingly politicized. You can't watch a football game anymore without getting embroiled into a Kaeperdick debate. You can hardly watch tv or movies without getting beaten over the head with SJW messages. They're even trying to make headway into video games, hence the whole #gamergate fiasco

Posted by: SimonGruber at October 20, 2016 03:07 PM (rX06+)

402 308 >I had been meaning to read Anna Karenina for ages.

I read it in high school. It was ok, but I prefer Dostoyevsky.

>hopelessness.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 20, 2016 02:40 PM (X6fMO)

Take care of yourself. I'm never sure how to take people's depression symptoms, but hopelessness is one.
Posted by: Lea at October 20, 2016 02:46 PM (lIU4e)

At one time I thought to expand my horizons by reading the classics.

So. I picked up Crime and Punishment to *begin* my experiment in autodidactism.

After avoiding a bout of self-cutting nearly brought about by the sheer despair in the novel, I abandoned that self-improvement for science fiction.

Then I found politics, so self-abuse wasn't entirely abandoned.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 20, 2016 03:07 PM (tapYd)

403 Oh yeah and I really want to get better a knife sharpening. Really. I can't seem to master it, but oddly it's relaxing. I just can't seem to get the angles. Plus I've heard it's more of a "feel" thing.
Posted by: Marcus T



Fistbump!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2016 03:07 PM (CJOtA)

404 <<I would recommend C.S. Lewis' theological works and Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
I don't recommend these works in an effort to proselytize but as a
means of nourishment of your heart and soul.>>

Bonhoeffer is so dense (I mean that in the good way), he's like a thick, juicy steak that I can only digest small parts of.

Posted by: SGT York at October 20, 2016 03:08 PM (ITvKk)

405 235 Eris --

One of my projects this year has been "Reading all my books". I have over a thousand. I'm going A-Z on fiction (one from each letter), and one each from each Dewey category (000-900). Yes, my books are in Dewey order.
Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 02:32 PM (7zeA4)
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Dude.

Maybe I should make a list. My inner whiny tween rebels against any kind of structure imposed from without, but my nerdy adult self loves making charts and lists.

My books are vaguely divided between Arts & Letters, History, and Science Fiction, and arranged for aesthetics (though perhaps not apparent to the casual viewer).

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 20, 2016 03:08 PM (EnKk6)

406 >>> And I loved the original movie.


the original movie was about a human being, and was a thriller whose story could only take 2 hours to tell the story.

to do a series, they couldn't do a thriller; they couldn't pad it that much. so they've made it about the robots and the nature of consciousness.

it's not a horrible idea on paper; but in execution -- again, why do I want to watch robots talking to each other by rote script? Why do I want to watch violence which is literally consequence free (in that the robots are put back on the street the day after they "die")?

oh and on that -- isn't it dispruptive for the park's guests to see "people" they saw shot to death the night before walking around on the stret again the next day?

How many times do you have to see James Marsden resurrected before the illusion of the park begins to dissipate?

PS, I really like Marsden as an actor, and I feel bad they've not just made him a robot, but a particularly useless robot whose only function is to repeatedly fail and die.

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 03:08 PM (dciA+)

407 The trick is to enjoying your gun habit while having kids is taking your kids to the range and getting them involved in it! Youth Shooting Sports is a great way to spend quality family time and keep the love of the 2nd Amendment going into the next generations.

Posted by: 2nd Amemdment Mother at October 20, 2016 03:08 PM (USAOW)

408 if you want to give up Big bang but want to watch dumb funny... try this:

the IT crowd

https://youtu.be/1EBfxjSFAxQ

Posted by: Gushka Can Has Kittehs what plays fetch! at October 20, 2016 03:08 PM (YhV5r)

409 Gotten back into art and music hobbies, such good de-stressors! We were built to make, the divine in us strives to create. The slothful/corrosive part only consumes. Being more of a maker has given me a lot of joy.

Speaking of life changes...would not be handling this political season half as well if I weren't dating someone, seriously. He has similar politics as me, is informed, and talking to him about it is refreshing because he is very calming. Despite the fact he is flirting with voting for the white whale that is McMuffin. Most "good" Mormons I know are.

And yes he is a good distraction from the politics in other very happy ways, hah!

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2016 03:08 PM (hvf9s)

410 >>>I would also recommend adding G. K. Chesterton to the mix.
Posted by: bluebell at October 20, 2016 03:04 PM (uHcnA)

I think you can get the complete Chesterton for relatively low cost, which means you can intersperse some of the more serious stuff with Father Brown stories.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 20, 2016 03:08 PM (WM5ho)

411 Care to give the name? I'd like to go there and join. Most of them are so obnoxious left they make me wish ISIS would attack CitiField in the 7th game of the WS

Posted by: Tradd at October 20, 2016 03:00 PM (GSJcT)

Amazin Avenue. It's part of the SB Nation network of sports blogs. You can tell most of them are lefties from their slobbering worship of Jon Stewart, and some disparagements of Curt Schilling. As long as you just ignore that and concentrate on talking baseball, it's easy.

They're lefties but they're also a bit smarter than your average Mets fan who calls up Mike Francesca or rants on #MetsTwitter or the Mets Facebook page.

My problem with most of them isn't politics which is mostly lifestyle or outlook observations that can be shrugged off, it's that they worship at the altar of Bill James.

I do love that they hate Keith Law who is dead to me for his nasty promotions of Black Lives Matter

Posted by: kbdabear at October 20, 2016 03:09 PM (Ya7zs)

412 I have fond memories of my folks and their friends' own little Italo-American version of cafe society. Every weekend they went out, either visiting to each others' homes or to night clubs. (I loved night club evenings because my mom hooked up some great outfits). They lived life to the fullest, and I believe their children benefited from the experience.

When Mad Men first aired I immediately got hooked because it reminded me of those days - Except that the characters in Mad Men were a joyless bunch. Our peeps were always smiling and laughing and dancing.
Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2016 02:18 PM (nNdYv)

This. I remember the same thing. Parents, grandparents, my aunt, and assorted friends and neighbors used to have a great time getting together. Adults seemed to enjoy life more. Us kids would run around, having our own parallel party. We kids would ask for the cherries from the Manhattans, and make a face at the residue taste of whisky while the adults laughed.

In the 70's, my Mom had a few years where she made Brandy Alexanders at Christmastime. One year she took her blender to work at the Smithsonian to make 'em for her co-workers. (Yes, kids, office parties used to have booze! Lots and lots of booze!) They were such a hit all the other departments showed up and she ran out of ingredients. One of the big-shot muckety-mucks went on a liquor store run to replenish the supplies. My mother the secretary was very impressed by that.

Flash forward to today: My last employer threw a "holiday party" so as not to offend the many Hindus and Muslims who worked there. Free lunch in the cafeteria, basically.

Posted by: JuJuBee at October 20, 2016 03:09 PM (kma8f)

413 I don't get why the robots play act their nonsense when there are no human beings around to watch them -- except the viewer watching the show on tv. Why would they bother?

Yeah, that bothers me too, its just wear and tear and expense on the entire operation. They shouldn't be doing anything at all until humans are around to enjoy the experience of being in the park.

Frankly I found nothing to pull me in, other than the philosophical concepts of what it means to be human and how you should treat AI. But since I believe AI is an even bigger fantasy than dragons and global warming, I don't care very much about that.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 03:09 PM (39g3+)

414 If God is in control and we've been watching his plan unfold throughout history, then that's horrifying.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 20, 2016 03:07 PM (8SjMY)
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You're forgetting that man has free will. God doesn't want bad things to happen to us, but He allows them because stupid people use their free will to choose badly, which can affect others who have not chosen badly.

Time to think of something fun to do with your kids this weekend.

Posted by: bluebell at October 20, 2016 03:09 PM (uHcnA)

415 Here's what you do on Facebook.





Quit it. Fvck Suckerberg and his minions.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 20, 2016 03:09 PM (493sH)

416 397 That's like Westworld -- why do I want to watch a show mostly about computer characters talking out a script written for them by someone else?

_________

What makes ZERO sense to me is why the robots are even having a storyline and all these interactions when there are no humans even involved.

I guess it's making a point about reality or something, but the idea of an amusement park having the computers interact with each other that has nothing to do with the guests is just illogical that it almost ruins the show.
Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2016 03:07 PM (UW0g+)


I'm hoping these "hosts" storylines somehow curve back into the human storylines.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 20, 2016 03:09 PM (tapYd)

417 402 At one time I thought to expand my horizons by reading the classics.

So. I picked up Crime and Punishment to *begin* my experiment in autodidactism.

After avoiding a bout of self-cutting nearly brought about by the sheer despair in the novel, I abandoned that self-improvement for science fiction.

Then I found politics, so self-abuse wasn't entirely abandoned.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 20, 2016 03:07 PM (tapYd)

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Crime and Punishment is amazing.

The Brothers Karamazov is even better.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:09 PM (vur0q)

418 Either God has a plan and is in control or he doesn't





If God is in control and we've been watching his plan unfold throughout history, then that's horrifying.
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Fear of the Lord is *the beginning* of wisdom.

Though I think mainly what we see is sin unfolding throughout history and God trying to work around it.

Posted by: Methos at October 20, 2016 03:10 PM (3Liv/)

419 I also love chasing tornados.


My Evil Ex-Girlfriend moved to Kansas City and she hates tornados. Can you chase one to there?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 20, 2016 03:10 PM (mgbwf)

420 Working on gett___ my masters degree in the cumniligual arts.

Posted by: uncle joe at October 20, 2016 03:10 PM (BpvWC)

421 Alas, a pre-work drink and 2,125 rounds of ammo later, I must be off to pay for it all.

Later.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 20, 2016 03:11 PM (Idu2i)

422 >>>At one time I thought to expand my horizons by reading the classics.

Still struggling to make it through Brothers Karamazov.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 20, 2016 03:11 PM (WM5ho)

423 What makes ZERO sense to me is why the robots are even having a storyline and all these interactions when there are no humans even involved.

I know why they're doing it as a TV show because then they can do their weird western meta show within a show, and advance plots, characters, etc. But from a business and logical standpoint, it makes no sense whatsoever.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 03:11 PM (39g3+)

424 Working on getting my masters degree in cumniligual arts...

Posted by: uncle joe at October 20, 2016 03:12 PM (BpvWC)

425 If God is in control and we've been watching his plan unfold throughout history, then that's horrifying.

If he's not in control its even more horrifying. Then its just senseless random chaos and misery without direction or meaning. Then life means nothing at all.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 03:12 PM (39g3+)

426 Another good thing for getting away and clearing your mind: horseback riding. I always feel mentally better after a good trail ride.

Posted by: Country Singer at October 20, 2016 03:12 PM (uiwCw)

427 401 I'm finding that the things that I thought could distract me from politics are themselves becoming increasingly politicized. You can't watch a football game anymore without getting embroiled into a Kaeperdick debate. You can hardly watch tv or movies without getting beaten over the head with SJW messages. They're even trying to make headway into video games, hence the whole #gamergate fiasco
Posted by: SimonGruber at October 20, 2016 03:07 PM (rX06+)
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Magazines used to be a fun way to unwind and learn, but my old standbys, National Geographic and Smithsonian, have become shrill and naggy. Even fashion magazines have to insert opinion; particularly galling is that the editors lecturing me about American politics are almost all Brits.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 20, 2016 03:12 PM (EnKk6)

428 >>>if you want to give up Big bang but want to watch dumb funny... try this:

the IT crowd

https://youtu.be/1EBfxjSFAxQ

...

i'm lookig to reduce tv consumption, not swap in better options.

whenever someone says I must watch some show -- let's say The Americans -- I always say the same thing:

Let's say you're right. Let's say it's good enough that I want to spend one hour a week, 24 weeks per year, watching it.

Even if it's good enough to keep me watching, as they say... is that a good thing?

You know, I think heroin and other opiates are really good. I assume that, because people break the law to get them and sell their bodies for them and stuff. So obviously, there's a pleasure there.

Oh and I've been in the hospital a few times and they gave me demoral and when that kicked in I thought, "Ohhhhh... *now* I understand why people become junkies."

but... I wouldn't want to get hooked on them, you know?

I just don't want to watch new tv shows, even if they're the greatest thing ever.

(Well, if it really is the greatest thing ever, I'd watch. but most of the good ones are simply competent and watchable.)

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 03:13 PM (dciA+)

429 394 Either God has a plan and is in control or he doesn't


If God is in control and we've been watching his plan unfold throughout history, then that's horrifying.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 20, 2016 03:07 PM (8SjMY)


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God gave us the rules a long time ago. He also gave us the dignity of choice.

We can choose wisely by following his rules to the best of our ability, or we can choose.........poorly.

Posted by: Soona at October 20, 2016 03:13 PM (Fmupd)

430 Here this is a favorite IT Crowd Moment:

Introducing Jen (management) to the internet. I have always wanted to do something like this to someone. But im not mean enough.


https://youtu.be/iDbyYGrswtg

Posted by: Gushka Can Has Kittehs what plays fetch! at October 20, 2016 03:13 PM (YhV5r)

431 422 Still struggling to make it through Brothers Karamazov.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 20, 2016 03:11 PM (WM5ho)

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I'm not entirely sure why, but I love the languid style of Dostoevsky. How a scene can take 80-100 pages to play out.

It's not how I write at all, but his play with characters is so intricate that I find it completely fascinating.

It's tough to get into, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:13 PM (vur0q)

432 Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:09 PM (vur0q)

Depressing as all get out. Very Russian.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 20, 2016 03:13 PM (tapYd)

433 I am reading a book, A Distant Mirror, by Barbara Tuchman.

The 14th Century shows a lot of similarity with this one. So I am reading how to survive, should the worst happen on November 8th.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Deplorable Infidel Queen at October 20, 2016 03:13 PM (Cx8BK)

434 >>>Another good thing for getting away and clearing your mind: horseback riding. I always feel mentally better after a good trail ride.

I'm doing that post-election! Totally psyched.

"There's nothing better for the inside of a man than the outside of a horse." -- Ronald Reagan. Always wanted to see if he was right.

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 03:13 PM (dciA+)

435 426 Another good thing for getting away and clearing your mind: horseback riding. I always feel mentally better after a good trail ride.
Posted by: Country Singer at October 20, 2016 03:12 PM (uiwCw)
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Apparently bareback is especially bracing for the body and soul. Ask Jane D'oh!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 20, 2016 03:14 PM (EnKk6)

436 Fuck that.

Never trust a horse. Crazier than women those things.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2016 03:14 PM (i3c+H)

437 >>>If God is in control and we've been watching his plan unfold throughout history, then that's horrifying.

If he's not in control its even more horrifying. Then its just senseless random chaos and misery without direction or meaning. Then life means nothing at all.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 03:12 PM (39g3+)


You both seem to be missing the whole "free will" thing.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 20, 2016 03:14 PM (zc3Db)

438 428 (Well, if it really is the greatest thing ever, I'd watch. but most of the good ones are simply competent and watchable.)

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 03:13 PM (dciA+)

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Seriously...ancient Greek drama. I have no idea what your classical education was like, but it'd be at least worth a revisit.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:15 PM (vur0q)

439 Political? Huh...Tits, Guns, Vulvas...thats all I get out of it.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob, 'Hobo, the other white meat' at October 20, 2016 03:15 PM (mBYZv)

440 Picking new sports is tougher and tougher as we age. A college coach for one of my kids used to say "when you play something, live in the moment!" and that's hard to do when you're just learning. That's why I recently took up (don't laugh), yoga. Its basically stretching, in a oddly ceremonial and exaggerated way. The stretching feels great and the rest is meh, but its easy to live in the moment when you're trying to get your body to (slowly and carefully) break out of its almost-ancient muscle memories and do something different.

Posted by: MTF at October 20, 2016 03:15 PM (w/exv)

441 God does have a plan. Its called the end times - when everything good will be called bad, and everything bad will be called good. First we get world government - then Satan arrives pretending to be Christ and fools almost all of humanity into worshiping him including, sadly, most Christians. We get the Tribulation, and the arrival of the real Christ.

Posted by: An Observation at October 20, 2016 03:15 PM (IBLOg)

442 Eris --

Yeah. I know.

I =loved= putting them in Dewey order, though. Also, it means that I can FIND ANY BOOK I HAVE BY LOOKING IT UP ONLINE.

That's...awesome.

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 03:15 PM (7zeA4)

443 I'm hoping these "hosts" storylines somehow curve back into the human storylines.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer



I'm sure they will and that's the only way they could make a story by using this trick, but obviously if there was any grounding to reality on this show, you wouldn't have robots going through a "play" amongst themselves when no one is watching. Computers don't need to actually "live" a storyline first in order to do as they are programmed.

I'm sure this is way over thinking it

Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2016 03:15 PM (UW0g+)

444 I plan to start walking on the treadmill more, while using the time to re watch on some old shows I have been wanting to see again.
I also plan to get hooked on Japanese Anime in the original Japanese with English sub titles. Kind of my plan to learn some Japanese and to learn about what makes another culture tick and Japanese anime looks just awesome
plus I won't hear the screams from outside as the world implodes

Posted by: southdakotaboy at October 20, 2016 03:16 PM (JaJ3u)

445 >That's how I am about yoga. I want all the mystical clear your mind bullshit, not just trying to get back to being able to do a wall split.
Posted by: alexthechick - at least four feet too short at October 20, 2016 03:07 PM (mf5HN)

I've been doing yoga (except last week, because I had a cold) lately and find it really relaxing, but there is a happy medium between a few om's and shanti's, and too much mystical stuff. I've picked the teachers I like best at my studio and try to stick to them.

Posted by: Lea at October 20, 2016 03:16 PM (lIU4e)

446 432 Depressing as all get out. Very Russian.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 20, 2016 03:13 PM (tapYd)

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I love sadness as a prevailing emotion in fiction. Dostoevsky writes about a fallen world where people make bad choices and discover why and how those choices affect the world around them. It's a great window into the soul.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:17 PM (vur0q)

447 We are moving out to our farm. My hobbies right now should be preparing the new house to live in and preparing this house to sell. I am on the computer all day, so I shouldn't be on it all night as well. I need to pay more attention to my son. I need to set up a housecleaning system so it isn't clean one day a week and a wreck the other 6. I need to get back in to exercising. This summer has really knocked the wind out of my sails, and even things I should be really excited about (like moving to our farm) I'm not. I am just waiting for something to go wrong.

Posted by: mullingthingsover at October 20, 2016 03:17 PM (6jt6G)

448 It was drizzling and cool today but I still ran for 105 minutes. I'm slowly getting back into shape.



I'm also working on some books I want to get out. I'm hoping some of the income from that will help me get better equipment for my subversive educational videos.


Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 20, 2016 03:17 PM (2L42J)

449 >>>Seriously...ancient Greek drama. I have no idea what your classical education was like, but it'd be at least worth a revisit.


as I said upthread, to appreciate anything takes a minimum effective dose of knowledge about it, and it's just not intriguing enough to me (personally) to spend the time to get that minimum effective dose.

to the extend I'd bother gaining such a minimum effective dose in a lively art, I'd do with opera, actually.

because languages.

and also, just have a minor interest in it.

very minor. Not enough yet to actually bother watchign Rigoletta (though I have watched La Donna e mobile and deciphered the lyrics).

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 03:17 PM (dciA+)

450 I'd like to read the classics...well the Cliff notes like i did in school.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob, 'Hobo, the other white meat' at October 20, 2016 03:17 PM (mBYZv)

451 >>>It's tough to get into, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:13 PM (vur0q)

It's definitely a momentum thing. I started with a little less on my plate, so I could adhere to a disciplined regular reading and I was enjoying the slow build and the introduction of characters and backstory. But then other areas of my life got busy and I got off the schedule, and it's tough to read with a lot of breaks in between chapters - because it is such a languid pace.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 20, 2016 03:18 PM (WM5ho)

452 >>>Hobbies/Life Changes Thread

Try to irritate people on blogs hee hee because it is fun to irritate people. Because if they disagree with you they are bad make them feel bad. This is my hobby and ultimate aim in life.

Posted by: Yector Schmector Hector at October 20, 2016 03:18 PM (iFgwk)

453 >>>It reminds me of Red Dead Redemption.

Not familiar with that one, but I only do PC games, and it looks like that one was console only. But, reading up on it, it looks like it uses cutscenes extensively, something I hate in gaming. I don't play games so I can watch a movie, I want to shoot some shit up. A search for cutscenes for that comes up with a 6 hour video of just the cutscenes.

https://youtu.be/RFP9epOX0jw

Some games let you bypass those scenes, so if this one does, not so bad. But, especially if you like to replay a game, being forced to sit through the same crap you already sat through on the first playthrough is very boring.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 20, 2016 03:18 PM (R+30W)

454 I assume this is going to change, but it's taking a while to get there, and my patience is depleting rapidly.

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 03:04 PM (dciA+)


Well, part of that is the TV series VS 90 minute movie aspect.

I also think they're getting a little meta on us, where like Wwstworld itself there are these storylines that we're only glimpsing pieces and parts of because together they fill in the world we're supposed to be experiencing even if we don't see the whole thing.

This goes to your point of why the robots don't stop when no human is around- because then the holes caused by their absence would cause the overarching world of Westward the theme park to fall apart.

I suspect we'll begin to see this as the dysfunction within the park grows.


And, they are telling two main stories here, that actually goes a bit to Ace's post above-

1) the robot girl who is becoming aware of her loop and limitations and wishes to escape and be free in a "real" life.

2) the (Ed Harris) serial killer/sadist type guy who wants to reject his real life and enter the game and become a part of it forever.

These are probably the characters who ultimately break the game.

Along with whatever the Anthony Hopkins character is doing.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 20, 2016 03:18 PM (0cMkb)

455
Yeah, the "oms."

Anyone can do these.

The vibration from the "ohmmmmz" is supposedly good for your CNS central nervous system.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 20, 2016 03:18 PM (bOJUT)

456

OT

hmmm, I guess this might be the guy they are pinning the hack blame on atm

Exclusive: Digital Trail Betrays Identity Of Russian 'Hacker' Detained In Prague
http://www.rferl.org/a/russia-hacker-prague-identity-nikulin/28065492.html

found my way to that from a link from instapundit to the Mosul mess rising

between the Mosul attack and Aleppo, going to be a bloody month or two

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 20, 2016 03:19 PM (qCMvj)

457 I want to go viral.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob, 'Hobo, the other white meat' at October 20, 2016 03:19 PM (mBYZv)

458 "There's nothing better for the inside of a man than the outside of a horse." -- Ronald Reagan. Always wanted to see if he was right.

Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 03:13 PM (dciA+)

He is.

My Aunt and Uncle raised Thoroughbreds, not particularly successful, but they were always around when I was a kid and visiting. It was always a treat to ride one, or even stand next to them. They always worried about me as I wandered around the horses without a thought that they might kick me dead, but the horses never had a problem with me.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 20, 2016 03:19 PM (tapYd)

459 This whole "disengage from the internet" and "reconnect with people/nature/whatever" is reminiscent of the Kentucky Fried Chicken commercials which exhorted families to "eat dinner together at least one night a week." What was once taken for granted is now something people strive to obtain.

Posted by: kathysaysso at October 20, 2016 03:19 PM (43OZ6)

460 Hey, ChristyBlinky--

I'm reading "A Distant Mirror", too. It's really good.

I think it's got some problems, like I thought it was only D&Ders who believed Clerics used maces so as not to shed blood, but I guess that was a real thing in the '70s.

And I dislike her framing of things in Marxist terms.

But it's still a great read.

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 03:19 PM (7zeA4)

461 Add me to the yoga group. There's a program called "Healing Yoga" I've taped and I'm going to do the exercises for the glutes.



I'll add in a few more once I get back to weights after a book or two is out.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 20, 2016 03:19 PM (2L42J)

462 449 as I said upthread, to appreciate anything takes a minimum effective dose of knowledge about it, and it's just not intriguing enough to me (personally) to spend the time to get that minimum effective dose.

to the extend I'd bother gaining such a minimum effective dose in a lively art, I'd do with opera, actually.

because languages.

and also, just have a minor interest in it.

very minor. Not enough yet to actually bother watchign Rigoletta (though I have watched La Donna e mobile and deciphered the lyrics).
Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 03:17 PM (dciA+)

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I missed the upthread mention.

Opera sounds fun...but how would you watch it? Original language with subtitles? Translated versions?

If the language part is so attractive to you, I'm just curious at how you'd approach it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:19 PM (vur0q)

463 393: playing on that Christopher, I think paid work is good for the soul. One of my big beefs with people from upper or upper middle class backgrounds, and I know several conservatives that fall into this; is that they seem to think that just providing food and shelter should make the lower class happy, without jobs.

Umm NO. Unless you have grown up in wealth, with a mindset that being very good at some hobby like bird watching is good enough or you have a serious talent for something like music or art or writing such that it will provide at least a meager living on its own you don't want the government to pay your bills because they have taken away all work opportunities, and you can just pursue hobbies you WANT to have a JOB.

Reagan got that. One of his quotes is "I believe the best social program is a job"

Posted by: PaleRider at October 20, 2016 03:19 PM (dkExz)

464 Change your hash by going to proxies and rebooting your smartphone. Then you get to irritate people even more! It is so fulfilling! I am so smart.

Posted by: Yector Schmector Hector at October 20, 2016 03:19 PM (iFgwk)

465 You both seem to be missing the whole "free will" thing.

Free will is a tricky thing, nobody has "free will" the way people use the term. You can propose to do something, but it almost never works out that way. Almost none of your life is the way it is because of your will or intent.

The problem is people see it as a dichotomy, two possible choices between

ABSOLUTE FREE WILL WITHOUT RESTRICTION
and
TOTAL ROBOTIC HELPLESS CONTROL

And that's ridiculous. All of us function under authority and limitations, all of us are limited by our circumstances, nature, and situation. Nobody has the "free will" that is often meant when its brought up. Free will is, in short, bunk

http://tinyurl.com/jzp3eeu

God is in control shaping and moving history and events and peoples toward a specific goal. He doesn't see reality as we do, but he sees the whole picture, of everyone's life, all of it from the beginning of time to the end like looking at a movie reel all at once, instead of one frame at a time. And He knows all of the potential outcomes, meanings, and how everything interacts to the smallest detail.

You either trust Him, or you don't. It comes down to that, in the end.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 03:20 PM (39g3+)

466 between the Mosul attack and Aleppo, going to be a bloody month or two

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 20, 2016 03:19 PM (qCMvj)


And Shrillary wants to "retake" Raqqa!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 20, 2016 03:20 PM (zc3Db)

467 I heartily recommend the music and hand work. What I think I know of your personality, I would recommend an electronic drum set so you can practice without inhibition. I do not recommend piano unless you intend to do it seriously. Otherwise it will discourage and humiliate you. My favorite instrument is electric bass. It has a low entry point for competency, is vital to any band, and there just aren't a lot of people who play it. Satisfaction per hour of practice is pretty high.

I would like to learn to dance. I was an awkward young man and dancing just took more confidence than I could muster. I think I would love it now.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at October 20, 2016 03:20 PM (EZWNE)

468 I'd like to invent the next fad and go on Shark Tank and have them fight over giving me boatloads of money.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob, 'Hobo, the other white meat' at October 20, 2016 03:20 PM (mBYZv)

469 very minor. Not enough yet to actually bother watchign Rigoletta (though I have watched La Donna e mobile and deciphered the lyrics).
Posted by: Ace Miyagi at October 20, 2016 03:17 PM (dciA+)
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Ace, have you ever seen the French movie of Bizet's Carmen? It's in French with English subtitles. I saw it when it first came out about 30 years ago (which is impressive for a 29-year-old, no?) and as I minored in French in college, I was able to understand the entire dialogue without the subtitles.

It would help you with your French a bit, and it was enjoyable.

Posted by: bluebell at October 20, 2016 03:20 PM (uHcnA)

470 >>Fear of the Lord is *the beginning* of wisdom. Posted by: Methos at October 20, 2016 03:10 PM (3Liv/)

Fear of Jack Lord is the beginning of wisdom, actually, and regular attendance at the Church of the Immaculate Wave is the first act toward that end.

Posted by: General Zod at October 20, 2016 03:20 PM (Bdeb0)

471 I largely dropped off Facebook a month ago. Until last week I was going in for a few minutes each day but now I have no urge to log in. I don't miss it at all. A year ago, the excuse I gave was that I would miss out on certain friends' funny status updates. But I'm really not missing much.

I think I'm going to get outside my comfort zone and actually reach out to select people to so I can do this archaic thing they call socializing with people.

Posted by: Independent George at October 20, 2016 03:20 PM (BDZWU)

472 468 I'd like to invent the next fad and go on Shark Tank and have them fight over giving me boatloads of money.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob, 'Hobo, the other white meat' at October 20, 2016 03:20 PM (mBYZv)

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Easier done than said.

amiright?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:21 PM (vur0q)

473 Started texting my kid in spanish
She told me to stop myself and don't ise google translate

Posted by: @votermom's phone at October 20, 2016 03:21 PM (i7w5R)

474
Let's say you're right. Let's say it's good enough that I want to spend one hour a week, 24 weeks per year, watching it.

Even if it's good enough to keep me watching, as they say... is that a good thing?
Posted by: Ace Miyagi



I have similar feelings, but what I find is it makes me reassess other tv viewing options and the crap gets pushed down until i just stop watching it.

I'm not going to sit around and watch TV for hours on end, so something like Breaking Bad gets my time instead of say a dumb sitcom.

Survival of the Fittest (tv shows).

Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2016 03:21 PM (UW0g+)

475 I'm hoping these "hosts" storylines somehow curve back into the human storylines.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 20, 2016 03:09 PM (tapYd)



There are two keys so far. The first is that there is a reference to the last "critical event" being 30 years ago, which is a nod to the original Westworld. It is a known risk that the robots will go killy killy. Why reopen it unless there is something else at play which seems to be an attempt by Anthony Hopkins, who you can tell is a bad guy because of how he's shot also because he's Anthony Hopkins, to push humanity to a new phase of evolution.

The first episode is actually a neatly constructed puzzle box of info dumping when you watch it again.

The second key is that Delores is the oldest host in the park. Well now. Does that mean Delores was actually in the part before the first critical error? Has she been around the whole time? Why is she being upgraded and why is there the secret sessions in which she is being confronted with literature on change? Is there an attempt to make her go killy killy?

Also I really like Jimmi Simpson as an actor so something awful will be happening to him soon.

Posted by: alexthechick - at least four feet too short at October 20, 2016 03:22 PM (mf5HN)

476 426
Another good thing for getting away and clearing your mind: horseback
riding. I always feel mentally better after a good trail ride.

Posted by: Country Singer at October 20, 2016 03:12 PM (uiwCw)


436
Fuck that.



Never trust a horse. Crazier than women those things.

Posted by: garrett at October 20, 2016 03:14 PM (i3c+H)


actually youre both right. And if you can GET horses you will also GET women and how to deal with them, an old cowboy friend of mine used to say. He was old as dirt and a trick horse trainer by trade (he did the trick horse show at Knotts for years but also trained movie horses) old Tex was always running around with cute, very much younger women, so there must be something to it.
I broke my back on a bad horse, but there is nothing like a good one and spending the day with them, the good or mostly good, can really clear your head of bullshit. That is not a lie. I have made a life of giving a chance to the bad ones and the maybe-not-bad-just-treated-bad ones. I would not live life any other way.

Posted by: Gushka Can Has Kittehs what plays fetch! at October 20, 2016 03:22 PM (YhV5r)

477
I keep seeing the word "irrigate" even when it's not even there.

There are many uses for "irrigate." It's a good word.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 20, 2016 03:22 PM (bOJUT)

478 Stupid shit: I don't think it's possible to eliminate it entirely, I'd just like to make doing it appear less of an objective.

Posted by: Weasel at October 20, 2016 03:22 PM (Sfs6o)

479
Posted by: Yector Schmector Hector at October 20, 2016 03:18 PM (iFgwk)
______________________________

Hector!! You aint fooling nobody with that fancy-schmancy zulu tribal king name. Now get your narrow ass out back and get busy.. Those leaves aint gonna' rake themselves!!! Little fart blossom.....

Posted by: Hectors' mom at October 20, 2016 03:22 PM (HSmrB)

480 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at October 20, 2016 03:23 PM (GwIKd)

481 If you want a good sense of Ancient Greece but don't want to invest a shit-ton, I recommend the book "Trying Neaira".

Neaira was perhaps a whore, perhaps a mistress, but she went on trial for pretending Athenian citizenship, and it was almost certainly a political attack on her man.

You learn so much about how Ancient Greece worked in that book--how decent women weren't even exposed to men who were not family (including husbands, of course), how the jury system worked (there were professional jurors, essentially), the value they placed on citizenship.

Great read.

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 03:24 PM (7zeA4)

482 471
I largely dropped off Facebook a month ago. Until last week I was going
in for a few minutes each day but now I have no urge to log in. I don't
miss it at all.


Posted by: Independent George at October 20, 2016 03:20 PM (BDZWU)


You'll have to search to find the link, but if you don't want Facebook to make any more money off your data, you can delete your account.

In theory, they're supposed to get rid of your information. In theory....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 20, 2016 03:24 PM (2L42J)

483 481 481 If you want a good sense of Ancient Greece but don't want to invest a shit-ton, I recommend the book "Trying Neaira".

Neaira was perhaps a whore, perhaps a mistress, but she went on trial for pretending Athenian citizenship, and it was almost certainly a political attack on her man.

You learn so much about how Ancient Greece worked in that book--how decent women weren't even exposed to men who were not family (including husbands, of course), how the jury system worked (there were professional jurors, essentially), the value they placed on citizenship.

Great read.
Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 03:24 PM (7zeA4)

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That sounds like fun.

I'm putting that on my list.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:25 PM (vur0q)

484 >>God is in control shaping and moving history and
events and peoples toward a specific goal. He doesn't see reality as we
do, but he sees the whole picture, of everyone's life, all of it from
the beginning of time to the end like looking at a movie reel all at
once, instead of one frame at a time. And He knows all of the potential
outcomes, meanings, and how everything interacts to the smallest
detail.
You either trust Him, or you don't. It comes down to that, in the end. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 03:20 PM (39g3+)

Lots of binary opposition here. Impressive field guidance.

Posted by: General Zod at October 20, 2016 03:25 PM (Bdeb0)

485 The thing is with the classics: they're still around for a reason. Stories like the Odyssey and the plays of men like Sophocles are still around because of how damn good they are. They stood the test of thousands of years and still shine.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 03:25 PM (39g3+)

486 OK, I've watched two episodes of Westworld. One with the sound on. This is not life improvement stuff, but I have a niggling question.

This is a theme park fully populated by robots that need to be repaired and reprogrammed by a mad team of scientists every time a guest shoots them up. Shooting them up is the point of the theme park.

Supporting that and making all the scenarios has to be ridiculously expensive. Ed Harris has been coming for 30 years? Does he own a planet which he's been privately mining for pure gold bullion?

Same with the smarmy guy and the nice kid. It's a present from smarmy to nice guy. Oh, nice present. I was thinking of buying you an island but this really shows the love even if it's more expensive.

I shouldn't get bogged down in the practical, I know it's about the girl feeling the fly on her face, but still...

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 20, 2016 03:25 PM (mgbwf)

487 Posted by: mullingthingsover at October 20, 2016 03:17 PM (6jt6G)
What do you grow?

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 03:26 PM (Q5Ymk)

488 I'm trying to be a better Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at October 20, 2016 03:26 PM (GwIKd)

489 Oh we're discussing horseback riding?

This is where I bring up that Bander got me to go Outside and sleep in a tent and go horseback riding.

Whereupon the horse bit my foot.

SEE HOW THE OUTSIDE IS BAD!

Also I've seen Eris ride a horse and you haven't Horde. This means I am Better.

Posted by: alexthechick - at least four feet too short at October 20, 2016 03:26 PM (mf5HN)

490 actually youre both right. And if you can GET horses you will also GET women and how to deal with them, an old cowboy friend of mine used to say.



My mom had an uncle who used to have to go out and whack 'er between the eyes with a 2 x 4 every two weeks or so because she'd lose her ever loving mind.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 20, 2016 03:26 PM (CJOtA)

491 414 If God is in control and we've been watching his plan unfold throughout history, then that's horrifying.
Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 20, 2016 03:07 PM (8SjMY)
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You're forgetting that man has free will. God doesn't want bad things to happen to us, but He allows them because stupid people use their free will to choose badly, which can affect others who have not chosen badly.

Time to think of something fun to do with your kids this weekend.

Posted by: bluebell at October 20, 2016 03:09 PM (uHcnA)

I don't think we have free will. Mankind's hearts are bent toward wickedness.

And yeah, I should probably sit and think of something fun with the kids before my thoughts go to complete blackness.

Posted by: Insomniac - Irredeemably Deplorable at October 20, 2016 03:26 PM (8SjMY)

492 I'm so glad I was Gen X that never really got into Social Media.

I really think that's when the nation shit the bed, when you "had to" be a part of social media.

My wife has largely left it also, I think it makes people miserable.

Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2016 03:26 PM (UW0g+)

493 485 The thing is with the classics: they're still around for a reason. Stories like the Odyssey and the plays of men like Sophocles are still around because of how damn good they are. They stood the test of thousands of years and still shine.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 03:25 PM (39g3+)

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But you know what their fatal flaw is?

Written by dead white guys.

So their works should be burned or at least ignored and never taught.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:26 PM (vur0q)

494 There's a new thread.



And the formatting is centered.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 20, 2016 03:27 PM (2L42J)

495 472 468 I'd like to invent the next fad and go on Shark Tank and have them fight over giving me boatloads of money.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob, 'Hobo, the other white meat' at October 20, 2016 03:20 PM (mBYZv)

==================

Easier done than said.

amiright?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:21 PM (vur0q)

Oh totally TJM. I keep asking my wife about some million dollar idea thats seems stupid..'so if I came to you with that idea what would you have said?' She thinks its a trick question.

Then I say, 'what do you usually call me?'

Then she says 'ooohhhh..idiot.'

Its a 24 year love story.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob, 'Hobo, the other white meat' at October 20, 2016 03:27 PM (mBYZv)

496 When was the last time you groomed your junk?

Posted by: Dang, admiring his own immaculately groomed junk at October 20, 2016 03:27 PM (8b+oT)

497 And if you can GET horses you will also GET women and how to deal with them, an old cowboy friend of mine used to say.

Nobody gets women. Even other women don't understand women. Its best to just realize they make no sense and go with the flow.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 03:28 PM (39g3+)

498 Model railroading?

Posted by: C. Moss at October 20, 2016 03:28 PM (9SNG4)

499 495
Oh totally TJM. I keep asking my wife about some million dollar idea thats seems stupid..'so if I came to you with that idea what would you have said?' She thinks its a trick question.

Then I say, 'what do you usually call me?'

Then she says 'ooohhhh..idiot.'

Its a 24 year love story.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob, 'Hobo, the other white meat' at October 20, 2016 03:27 PM (mBYZv)

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Sounds sweet.

I think it's the next Love Story and should star Chris Pratt and Jennifer Lawrence.

Or do you think Chris Pratt isn't pretty enough to play you?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:28 PM (vur0q)

500
Well, to answer your concerns about Westworld, just listen to the words of the MST3K theme song:

If you're wondering how he eats and breathes
And other science facts,
Just repeat to yourself "It's just a show,
I should really just relax



Same is true for Gilligan's Island.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 20, 2016 03:28 PM (bOJUT)

501 Also I've seen Eris ride a horse and you haven't Horde. This means I am Better.


I've seen Eris ride a horse and not even get bit.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 20, 2016 03:29 PM (mgbwf)

502 Yes, yes, yes to Texas Zombie. Feeling pretty blue today. Nothing, but NOTHING will keep me from voting to flip off the Totalitarians, but I'm really worn out with the nonstop bludgeoning by the Presstitutes. God damn them, anyway.

Posted by: Beverly at October 20, 2016 03:29 PM (bcEuh)

503 I loved reading "The Chronicles of Testiclees".....He was the mightiest of all naked Greeks back in the day.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 20, 2016 03:29 PM (61bqj)

504 This year I have read "Oreistaia" (Aeschylus) and "The Golden Ass" (Apuleius). The former is fairly hard to get into--it's a Greek play and very much in that mode that Ace describes as "You have to know enough to be interested."

"The Golden Ass" on the other hand is easy to get into: A guy gets turned into a donkey and has many adventures.

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 03:31 PM (7zeA4)

505 489
Oh we're discussing horseback riding?



This is where I bring up that Bander got me to go Outside and sleep in a tent and go horseback riding.



Whereupon the horse bit my foot.



SEE HOW THE OUTSIDE IS BAD!



Also I've seen Eris ride a horse and you haven't Horde. This means I am Better.

Posted by: alexthechick - at least four feet too short at October 20, 2016 03:26 PM (mf5HN)


Oh dear Dread Queen! ...but did you boot it in the snout for that? and if you did, did you feel better? I always feel better and it never happens again, but i have had practice at it.

I also need to ask...was it a GOOD TENT? i glamp, but a four poster bed and oriental carpets on the floor of my expensive tent, but i refuse to do that bump tent stuff, out in BFE unless Forced by apocalypse.

Posted by: Gushka Can Has Kittehs what plays fetch! at October 20, 2016 03:31 PM (YhV5r)

506 >>>Anyway, Splits is right--get a bred dog or a dedicated rescue/foster, young, and you'll never regret it.
Posted by: General Zod at October 20, 2016 02:58 PM (Bdeb0)

Yeah, know what you want. Raising a dog from very young is a big job but very rewarding and you have a dog that you are bonded with and know very well. Plus a breeder can give you data points for the dog's intelligence, temperament, health, etc

I tend to take in rescues and I accept that they are a little older and maybe even a little damaged but need love just the same. Since this is me too, it's probably a good match. But none of them could have made it as a service dog - some not even therapy dog. But all were BSG therapy dogs...getting dusty in here...

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 20, 2016 03:31 PM (WM5ho)

507 >>>Neaira was perhaps a whore, perhaps a mistress,

oh, a demimonde?

Posted by: Cultured Ace, who just learned what a demimonde was a year ago at October 20, 2016 03:31 PM (dciA+)

508 Model railroading?

Posted by: C. Moss


Sounds like something... naughty.

Posted by: Dang at October 20, 2016 03:32 PM (8b+oT)

509 Posted by: alexthechick - at least four feet too short at October 20, 2016 03:22 PM (mf5HN)

Well *now* I have to watch the first episode again. It did hook me, but the next two are losing it.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 20, 2016 03:32 PM (tapYd)

510 Also I've seen Eris ride a horse and you haven't Horde. This means I am Better.
Posted by: alexthechick - at least four feet too short at October 20, 2016 03:26 PM (mf5HN)
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Clenched Buttocks and Cannon Fire: My Gettysburg by Eris

Riding for hours after so long away from the saddle sure cured any idea of riding as a hobby. It has not dimmed my desire for a formal portrait seated on a magnificent black stallion, rampant, brandishing a saber, with a city in flames behind me.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 20, 2016 03:32 PM (EnKk6)

511 This goes to your point of why the robots don't stop when no human is around- because then the holes caused by their absence would cause the overarching world of Westward the theme park to fall apart.

I suspect we'll begin to see this as the dysfunction within the park grows.


And, they are telling two main stories here, that actually goes a bit to Ace's post above-

1) the robot girl who is becoming aware of her loop and limitations and wishes to escape and be free in a "real" life.

2) the (Ed Harris) serial killer/sadist type guy who wants to reject his real life and enter the game and become a part of it forever.

These are probably the characters who ultimately break the game.

Along with whatever the Anthony Hopkins character is doing.



Posted by: naturalfake at October 20, 2016 03:18 PM (0cMkb)

I guess that part didn't bother me. The park has quests, but it's also a sandbox. There's nothing from stopping a guest from getting up in the middle of the night, saddling up, and riding out to that Mexican village, dragging people from their beds, and going on a killing spree. Or embarking on a drive to brush the teeth of every host in the park. The park designers have to move the hosts through patterns that are plausible with the quests the guests can partake in by interacting with them, and it doesn't make much difference if they do it quiet and stone-faced, or animated in the way real people would be.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at October 20, 2016 03:32 PM (F26eZ)

512 Nobody has the "free will" that is often meant when its brought up. Free will is, in short, bunk
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We have free will in the sense that we make our own decisions from the choices available to us, and are responsible for those decisions.

The problem is we have a distorted view typically of what's available. One might jump off a cliff and flap his arms like a bird hoping to fly, but it's not going to work as it's not physically possible. OTOH it was also possible at any point in human history to build a wing that uses differences in air flows to push it up, but until someone knew enough to recognize the possibility (which one can attribute to genius or God whispering in one's ear) it didn't happen.

Posted by: Methos at October 20, 2016 03:33 PM (3Liv/)

513 I am sorry if I started religious bickering. I recommended what I did because the works are original, intriguing, honest and thought provoking. Why does there always have to be a threat to someone's status and the concomitant one upsmanship when it is brought up? I merely suggested good, solid reading. Good grief.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at October 20, 2016 03:33 PM (EZWNE)

514 Jeff Weimar, try to pick up Crime and. punishment again. You have to read it to the end. Same with BrothersK. They are both stories about salvation and redemption. Two of my most favorite books.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 20, 2016 03:33 PM (6IPEM)

515 504 This year I have read "Oreistaia" (Aeschylus) and "The Golden Ass" (Apuleius). The former is fairly hard to get into--it's a Greek play and very much in that mode that Ace describes as "You have to know enough to be interested."

"The Golden Ass" on the other hand is easy to get into: A guy gets turned into a donkey and has many adventures.
Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 03:31 PM (7zeA4)

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The Orestia is a trilogy of plays that starts with the end of the Trojan War.

Do you really need much more than Agamemnon's place in that conflict to get it?

I ask because that's fast approaching in my list.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:33 PM (vur0q)

516 Sounds sweet.

I think it's the next Love Story and should star Chris Pratt and Jennifer Lawrence.

Or do you think Chris Pratt isn't pretty enough to play you?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:28 PM (vur0q)


Lol....Theres guns and cannibalism right? I keed about the wife of course. without her i would not be the man i am today........oh STFU..you guyz. Gees.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob, 'Hobo, the other white meat' at October 20, 2016 03:34 PM (mBYZv)

517
Nobody gets women. Even other women don't understand women. Its best to just realize they make no sense and go with the flow.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 03:28 PM (39g3+)


this guy really did it was nothing less than magical. he was like The Bitch Whisperer. i have a seen a few expert horsemen who were like this. Its... weird but cool. They are amazing people.

Posted by: Gushka Can Has Kittehs what plays fetch! at October 20, 2016 03:34 PM (YhV5r)

518 I also need to ask...was it a GOOD TENT? i glamp, but a four poster bed and oriental carpets on the floor of my expensive tent, but i refuse to do that bump tent stuff, out in BFE unless Forced by apocalypse.
Posted by: Gushka Can Has Kittehs what plays fetch! at October 20, 2016 03:31 PM (YhV5r)
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I brought 1000-count sheets and champagne!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 20, 2016 03:34 PM (EnKk6)

519 I guess that part didn't bother me. The park has quests, but it's also a sandbox. There's nothing from stopping a guest from getting up in the middle of the night, saddling up, and riding out to that Mexican village, dragging people from their beds, and going on a killing spree. Or embarking on a drive to brush the teeth of every host in the park. The park designers have to move the hosts through patterns that are plausible with the quests the guests can partake in by interacting with them, and it doesn't make much difference if they do it quiet and stone-faced, or animated in the way real people would be.
Posted by: El Skippito Friskito





That's actually a good explanation, sort of like the ride always has to be turned on 24/7

Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2016 03:34 PM (UW0g+)

520 You either trust Him, or you don't. It comes down to that, in the end. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Lots of binary opposition here. Impressive field guidance.

Posted by: General Zod


Some things actually are that simple. That there aren't, that's the lie.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, deplorably down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 20, 2016 03:35 PM (9krrF)

521 One thing I've noticed in my Compliance Pics research. Women in tight jeans or Daisy Dukes on horseback send me to the bunk almost every time

Posted by: kbdabear at October 20, 2016 03:35 PM (Ya7zs)

522 Ace--

Soooorta. Except that Neaira was never "respectable", at least not in Athens. But, you know, sometimes in history all that survives is the character assassination.

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 03:35 PM (7zeA4)

523 You'll have to search to find the link, but if you don't want Facebook to make any more money off your data, you can delete your account.

In theory, they're supposed to get rid of your information. In theory....
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 20, 2016 03:24 PM (2L42J)
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I've come very close a few times to deleting. But I couldn't go through with it. Now that I've worked it out of my system and I don't thing it's any fun anymore I think I can safely delete and not look back.

I just have to determine who I want to remain in contact with. That's a project in and of itself.

Luckily I never posted many pictures of myself. I was never one of those people who had to upload pictures of everything I did to Facebook. I think to be safe though I will delete everything on my account before I delete the account itself.

Posted by: Independent George at October 20, 2016 03:35 PM (BDZWU)

524 487 Posted by: mullingthingsover at October 20, 2016 03:17 PM (6jt6G)
What do you grow?
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 20, 2016 03:26 PM (Q5Ymk)

Wheat and milo (grain sorghum). We have cow/calf pairs, so we grow feed and put up hay as well.

Posted by: mullingthingsover at October 20, 2016 03:36 PM (6jt6G)

525 his guy really did it was nothing less than magical. he was like The Bitch Whisperer. i have a seen a few expert horsemen who were like this. Its... weird but cool. They are amazing people.
Posted by: Gushka Can Has Kittehs what plays fetch! at October 20, 2016 03:34 PM (YhV5r)


The Bitch Whisperer. heh.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob, 'Hobo, the other white meat' at October 20, 2016 03:37 PM (mBYZv)

526 I brought 1000-count sheets and champagne!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 20, 2016 03:34 PM (EnKk6)

then i would camp with you. Possibly even ride with you. We will need Grim to come along for logistics and bartending.

Posted by: Gushka Can Has Kittehs what plays fetch! at October 20, 2016 03:38 PM (YhV5r)

527 It has not dimmed my desire for a formal portrait seated on a magnificent black stallion, rampant, brandishing a saber, with a city in flames behind me.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus



I thought that was your typical Thursday selfie.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 20, 2016 03:38 PM (mgbwf)

528 TheJamesMadison --

It's not the context that's the problem for me, in terms of "getting into it". It's the...uh...modality.

It's like, if you go to an American movie, it's full of stupid artifice, and you ignore this because you're used to it, and you know what to pay attention to. Then you go to an Indian movie, and you find it stupid because all the characters, even the dead ones, come back for a big dance number at the end.

Only in spades. The Greek Chorus, for example, is a little odd. The fact that everyone knows the story, so what you're really looking at is how Aeschylus has done it, so it's not a question of suspense or even plot development, just character presentation, and the big theme of revenge. Etc.

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 03:39 PM (7zeA4)

529 I love sadness as a prevailing emotion in fiction. Dostoevsky writes about a fallen world where people make bad choices and discover why and how those choices affect the world around them. It's a great window into the soul.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:17 PM (vur0q)

We get sadness in our very own non-fiction fallen world narratives. Concentrated sadness in fiction, which is C&P, is entertainment for those with a masochism fetish.

Wait, don't we follow politics? Nevermind.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 20, 2016 03:39 PM (tapYd)

530 I was a political junkie going as far back for as as I can remember, which is following the 1956 election when I was in the 1st grade. Nowadays, with this election, I just peruse it all superficially to keep generally informed (which is way more than what the average person out there does), but other than that I've checked out. I do other things and pretty much avoid politics as much as possible. It makes for a better mental outlook and a happier life. I will vote, but that's it.

Posted by: Random Thought Generator at October 20, 2016 03:39 PM (XfHd6)

531 A great announcer team - Mets, Giants, Padres, etc - makes the game. A poor team - Cardinals, Yankees, etc - makes it interminable.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 20, 2016 02:33 PM (39g3+)

One reason we long-suffering Brewers are willing to be so patient is because we're fortunate to have Bob Uecker as our broadcaster. During dismally bad games he'll tell the funniest stories..

(Our TV team isn't bad either. Brian Anderson has done some national work in the post season and with other sports. I'm frankly amazed he hasn't moved to a bigger market - his color commentator sidekick is Bill Schroeder a former - not very good - mlbcatcher. The two of them seem to be genuinely entertained by each other.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 20, 2016 03:39 PM (u0lmX)

532 Oh dear Dread Queen! ...but did you boot it in the snout for that? and if you did, did you feel better? I always feel better and it never happens again, but i have had practice at it.

I also need to ask...was it a GOOD TENT? i glamp, but a four poster bed and oriental carpets on the floor of my expensive tent, but i refuse to do that bump tent stuff, out in BFE unless Forced by apocalypse.
Posted by: Gushka Can Has Kittehs what plays fetch! at October 20, 2016 03:31 PM (YhV5r)



Oh I smacked the crap out of it. I got bit because I was trying to keep the horse from nomming the grass by the side of the trail and the hose was all fuck you fine I'll eat your foot.

It was a very lovely tent though not glamping in the slightest. It was nice.

The hotel room with the jacuzzi tub was way nicer though.

Posted by: alexthechick - at least four feet too short at October 20, 2016 03:41 PM (mf5HN)

533 Baseball's ascension is probably why the city of Cleveland hasn't mercy nuked itself.

Posted by: kbdabear at October 20, 2016 03:41 PM (Ya7zs)

534 I don't want to get too into the Theology debate because our gracious host is not really into all that, but I go through about 3 different ways of looking at the relationship between God, Man, and free will.


1) The sort of Deist theory that God largely leaves the Earth to humans and all the misery that comes with it and rarely gets involved

2) God is angry and wishes to grind us into the ground for our collective wickedness. Like he did with the Israelites over and over again in the Old Testament. Despite America being probably the most "Christian" large country left. If we're grading on a curve, we have to be ahead of say the Netherlands? Right?

3) The constant testing God from the Book of Job that will eventually deliver us


I'll probably pick #2 on November 9 If Trump wins, #3.

Posted by: Maritime at October 20, 2016 03:41 PM (UW0g+)

535 >>>Ace, have you ever seen the French movie of Bizet's Carmen? It's in French with English subtitles. I saw it when it first came out about 30 years ago (which is impressive for a 29-year-old, no?) and as I minored in French in college, I was able to understand the entire dialogue without the subtitles.

It would help you with your French a bit, and it was enjoyable.

...

no i haven't, but sounds interesting.

Posted by: Cultured Ace, who just learned what a demimonde was a year ago at October 20, 2016 03:41 PM (dciA+)

536 >>> When Mad Men first aired I immediately got hooked because it reminded me of those days - Except that the characters in Mad Men were a joyless bunch. Our peeps were always smiling and laughing and dancing. Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2016 02:18 PM (nNdYv)

Beautiful but depressing show. I asked my mom after watching it, people in the 60s were happy, right? They laughed and loved and had normal experiences? Because the show implies everything was pure misery, then you die. Or get your foot shorn off by a riding lawnmover.

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2016 03:41 PM (hvf9s)

537 I thought that was your typical Thursday selfie.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 20, 2016 03:38 PM (mgbwf)
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If that was a typical Thursday, I would still have a FaceBook account.

*makes duck lips in front of Carthage aflame*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 20, 2016 03:42 PM (EnKk6)

538 486 OK, I've watched two episodes of Westworld. One with the sound on. This is not life improvement stuff, but I have a niggling question.

This is a theme park fully populated by robots that need to be repaired and reprogrammed by a mad team of scientists every time a guest shoots them up. Shooting them up is the point of the theme park.

Supporting that and making all the scenarios has to be ridiculously expensive. Ed Harris has been coming for 30 years? Does he own a planet which he's been privately mining for pure gold bullion?

Same with the smarmy guy and the nice kid. It's a present from smarmy to nice guy. Oh, nice present. I was thinking of buying you an island but this really shows the love even if it's more expensive.

I shouldn't get bogged down in the practical, I know it's about the girl feeling the fly on her face, but still...

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 20, 2016 03:25 PM (mgbwf)

Here's a little piece on it, done by someone who tinkered around on the website. Basically a minimum stay (2 weeks ) amounts to about $1.6m total.

http://www.pajiba.com/westworld/what-does-it-cost-to-stay-in-westworld-.php

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at October 20, 2016 03:42 PM (F26eZ)

539 no i haven't, but sounds interesting.
Posted by: Cultured Ace, who just learned what a demimonde was a year ago at October 20, 2016 03:41 PM (dciA+)
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Netflix has the DVD, but sadly not streaming, at least not the last time I looked.

Posted by: bluebell at October 20, 2016 03:42 PM (uHcnA)

540 528 TheJamesMadison --

It's not the context that's the problem for me, in terms of "getting into it". It's the...uh...modality.

It's like, if you go to an American movie, it's full of stupid artifice, and you ignore this because you're used to it, and you know what to pay attention to. Then you go to an Indian movie, and you find it stupid because all the characters, even the dead ones, come back for a big dance number at the end.

Only in spades. The Greek Chorus, for example, is a little odd. The fact that everyone knows the story, so what you're really looking at is how Aeschylus has done it, so it's not a question of suspense or even plot development, just character presentation, and the big theme of revenge. Etc.
Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 03:39 PM (7zeA4)

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Sounds like Greek tragedy to me.

You said that you're reading it?

I'd recommend trying to watch it. I was thinking about reading through a list of Greek drama but realized that the plays are very much in the public domain and people post productions of such stuff on Youtube all the time.

I've only come across one play so far (Oedipus at Colonus) that didn't have a live production video somewhere. I know that the entirety of the Orestia is on Youtube.

These things were meant to be watched, not read. It might play differently for you if you do that instead.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:44 PM (vur0q)

541
The trick is to enjoying your gun habit while having kids is taking your kids to the range and getting them involved in it! Youth Shooting Sports is a great way to spend quality family time and keep the love of the 2nd Amendment going into the next generations.

Posted by: 2nd Amemdment Mother at October 20, 2016 03:08 PM (USAOW)








THIS.

One of the great joys of the shooting sports is introducing new shooters to the pew pew. Especially the kids. It's funny, more than once I've taken new shooters out and shot less than 20 rounds myself over the course of the day and had a BLAST. And they'd keep asking me "aren't you going to shoot? You're not shooting, how can you be having fun?"

And perhaps that's something to consider for all hobbies. Find willing folks and introduce them to your passion. Share the tips and techniques.

Posted by: Robert Creamer at October 20, 2016 03:44 PM (XWkhW)

542 *makes duck lips in front of Carthage aflame*
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 20, 2016 03:42 PM (EnKk6)
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You know, if you're going to make this a Facebook-worthy selfie, the arm not holding the sword must be bent with the elbow facing out and the hand on the hip.

I tease my daughter about this mercilessly. Mercilessly.

Posted by: bluebell at October 20, 2016 03:44 PM (uHcnA)

543 Here is what I did when it became obvious that there was more to life than digging the rut deeper.

At 40 I made up my mind that I would put all my affairs in order and, by the time I was 50, would take off across the ocean in a sailboat.

I did. At 47 my wife quit her job and I quit mine and we untied the dock lines, threw away the telephone (regular land lines in those days) and my wrist watch (we did have to keep accurate clocks onboard because GPS was only a developing technology and we needed time to use a sextant).

We spent 5 years cruising and then returned to the states and went back to work. We got way better jobs than we had before we left and employers were fascinated that someone actually did it.

As long as you do not spend much time in formal marinas but anchor out, you can do this with very little money.

I am 71 now and really glad it did it when I was younger. Handling a 51 foot boat in high seas can be a task.

If you really want it, you can do it. Stop thinking of all the reasons you can't do it and start thinking of how to do it.

Posted by: Anchovy at October 20, 2016 03:44 PM (c86/W)

544
SHit. Off me, criminal commie cocksucker scum sock.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 20, 2016 03:46 PM (XWkhW)

545 "Checking out" means no Rush Limbaugh (last time I listened it was too depressing anyway), no talk radio of any kind, no FOX News, no TV news at all. I read a few news sites, Insty, here, and a few others, just enough to keep informed. And that's it.

Posted by: Random Thought Generator at October 20, 2016 03:47 PM (XfHd6)

546 One thing I've noticed through this election is that I've, more or less, given up on all forms of the center/right punditocracy and commenteriat, too. Meaning, I've reached the point where I regard sites like National Review or Hot Air or Breitbart, etc. as nothing more than extensions of the broader dominant media culture with a very thin crust what passes for convservatism. These folks all strike me as no less in it for their own aggrandizement and enrichment than any other outlet on the landscape. My new rule is: if you are known for conservative/libertarian hot takes, if you have a book to sell, if you travel routinely to give speeches or sit on panels, if you want me to join you on an expensive Alaskan cruise with the editorial board of your magazine, if you appear on TV to give conservative/libertarian hot takes then my default assumption is that you are basically a charlatan trying to steal my time and money. Sorry but there it is. I have no further fucks to give.

Posted by: The Emperor Cletus Augustus at October 20, 2016 03:47 PM (E36W0)

547 Here's a little piece on it, done by someone who tinkered around on the website. Basically a minimum stay (2 weeks ) amounts to about $1.6m total.


Heh. Thanks.

I do now want a private bullion mining planet.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 20, 2016 03:47 PM (mgbwf)

548 For the STEM-inclined members of the Horde, might I suggest a mini-mo-me at Delaware's annual Punkin Chunkin contest, 11/4-6?

Home-brew catapults, trebuchets, and air cannons vie to see who can hurl a pumpkin furthest...

videos of previous events are available on youtube...

Posted by: slash buzz at October 20, 2016 03:49 PM (YseGW)

549 Ace,
Have you considered taking up brewing beer? You can start on the cheap - one big pot. Then work your way (the sooner the better) into all-grain by converting a picnic cooler. Then you'll move into kegging. Then join a local club. then .... several years later you'll have my dream come true - was approached by investors and am opening a brewery.

If something gets you down, have a beer. Holidays approaching? Design a holiday beer. Give bottles of your creation for presents. Spring in the air? Design a simple cream ale for lawn mowing and planting. Need something to have with stogies on the deck while watching fireflies? Nothing beats a sweat stout. (or my secret recipe Irish Red aged in Jameson and Oak - that'll get your swerve on)

Get Charlie Papazian's Joy of Homebrewing and give it a read. It could just take you in a whole new direction.

Cheers

Posted by: Brewmiestrr at October 20, 2016 03:49 PM (rklbV)

550 >>> This is a theme park fully populated by robots that need to be repaired and reprogrammed by a mad team of scientists every time a guest shoots them up. Shooting them up is the point of the theme park.
Supporting that and making all the scenarios has to be ridiculously expensive. Ed Harris has been coming for 30 years? Does he own a planet which he's been privately mining for pure gold bullion?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 20, 2016 03:25 PM (mgbwf)

A fluffy, non-robot, romcom version of Westworld is Austenland, where a girl pays to be immersed in an Austen-like Regency fairlyland for week. They actually delve into the finances of people willing to pay for that experience, I found it amusing and it added to the conflicts. The main girl gets the bare bones package vs the other rich guests getting the full experience, the class system of the guests and how the hostess treats them in turn. Was interesting. Cute movie.

Posted by: LizLem at October 20, 2016 03:50 PM (hvf9s)

551 >>You said that you're reading it?

Read it.

When I started my "read all my books" project, I was going to read all the As, then Bs, but I realized about halfway through the As, that that was going to make me unhappy, so I'm doing one of each letter and cycling.

But anyway I read the Apuleius and Aeschylus stuff first. Where I am, the local cinema shows (taped) live performances of operas and stage shows (which pales compared to Being There but is also cheaper and more convenient), so next time a Greek Tragedy comes around, I'll check it out.

This was more like "Well, I have this, now I'm going to read it."

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 03:50 PM (7zeA4)

552 Posted by: Brewmiestrr at October 20, 2016 03:49 PM (rklbV)

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I'd be so much more interested in distilling my own whiskey, but it's effectively illegal without a commercial license.

I guess I also don't have barrels and a few years to let it age.

But those are mere details.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:51 PM (vur0q)

553 486 OK, I've watched two episodes of Westworld. One with the sound on. This is not life improvement stuff, but I have a niggling question.

This is a theme park fully populated by robots that need to be repaired and reprogrammed by a mad team of scientists every time a guest shoots them up. Shooting them up is the point of the theme park.

Supporting that and making all the scenarios has to be ridiculously expensive. Ed Harris has been coming for 30 years? Does he own a planet which he's been privately mining for pure gold bullion?

Same with the smarmy guy and the nice kid. It's a present from smarmy to nice guy. Oh, nice present. I was thinking of buying you an island but this really shows the love even if it's more expensive.

I shouldn't get bogged down in the practical, I know it's about the girl feeling the fly on her face, but still...

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 20, 2016 03:25 PM (mgbwf)

There's a version of Oedipus at Colonus called The Gospel At Colonus on youtube. I saw selections from it in a literature class years ago. It's an all African-American cast, arranged as though a Pentecostal preacher and choir are retelling the story. Morgan Freeman is in it (looking young in the mid-80's) and the Five Blind Boys of Alabama play Oedipus. It's worth a least partial listen, I think, because while we've grown accustomed to thinking that Shakespeare can be redone successfully in various settings and ways, we're not as used to seeing other classic literature recast in a similar manner.

Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at October 20, 2016 03:52 PM (F26eZ)

554 551 This was more like "Well, I have this, now I'm going to read it."
Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 03:50 PM (7zeA4)

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Totally makes sense. I have zero interest in actually reading the stuff because I fear that it wouldn't read nearly as well as it would play.

Of course, there's also the element of the translation itself. I remember the first time I read The Iliad I couldn't get through it, but I picked up another translation a few years later and went through it voraciously.

Same thing with Beowulf. Seamus Heaney's translation is amazing and vivid and exciting. The one I had read before that was dull and difficult.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:54 PM (vur0q)

555
My favorite instrument is electric bass. It has a low entry point for competency, is vital to any band, and there just aren't a lot of people who play it. Satisfaction per hour of practice is pretty high.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at October 20, 2016 03:20 PM (EZWNE)








I've been playing guitar off and on for about 35 years. Nowadays, my go-to for just pure fun is my cheapo Hohner Steinberger bass copy. My big problem is that I'll almost always end up playing only two songs RATM's "Take The Power Back" and the intro to Stone Roses' "I Wanna Be Adored".

For about 3 hours straight. Badly.

And I. Don't. Care.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 20, 2016 03:54 PM (XWkhW)

556 553 There's a version of Oedipus at Colonus called The Gospel At Colonus on youtube. I saw selections from it in a literature class years ago. It's an all African-American cast, arranged as though a Pentecostal preacher and choir are retelling the story. Morgan Freeman is in it (looking young in the mid-80's) and the Five Blind Boys of Alabama play Oedipus. It's worth a least partial listen, I think, because while we've grown accustomed to thinking that Shakespeare can be redone successfully in various settings and ways, we're not as used to seeing other classic literature recast in a similar manner.
Posted by: El Skippito Friskito at October 20, 2016 03:52 PM (F26eZ)

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That definitely sounds interesting.

I'm not against he recasting of stuff like that, but it has to be done intelligently. It's an unpopular opinion, I know, but I feel like West Side Story is an example of Romeo and Juliet recast to horrendous results. It's not just that Juliet survives, it's that everything has been muddied down to almost nothing that the original poetry of the overall narrative got completely lost.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:56 PM (vur0q)

557 Our old friend Andrew Sullivan wrote a great essay on this recently. Called it something like "My Distraction Sickness."

Posted by: Knemon at October 20, 2016 03:57 PM (uqK6D)

558 http://preview.tinyurl.com/jjlv95d for a list of 75 great hobbies

Also, find somewhere to volunteer. Who you hang with influences who you are. If politics is your hobby, you hang with Clinton and Trump. If you volunteer, you hang with a better class of people.

Posted by: Sweet Lou at October 20, 2016 03:58 PM (Fzaq0)

559 Posted by: Anchovy at October 20, 2016 03:44 PM (c86/W)


Good for you! That's a great story and should be an inspiration to everyone.

On the other end of that theme, my brother's in-laws always dreamed of taking a long cruise. They retired early and bought a 36 foot sailboat, having never sailed before.

They moved to Florida and started living on board (tied up at the dock, as neither one knew how to sail). Within a few weeks, they found out just how small a 36 foot sailboat is.

In less than a month, they both wanted to take an axe to the other's head. A few months later, he was living alone on the boat and she had moved back to live with one of her single daughters. They divorced a year later.

Posted by: jwest at October 20, 2016 03:58 PM (Zs4uk)

560 Same thing with Beowulf. Seamus Heaney's translation is amazing and vivid and exciting.


Very much so. I had read it in high school and it was a grind.

Heaney's translation brought it to life.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 20, 2016 03:59 PM (mgbwf)

561 >>Totally makes sense. I have zero interest in actually reading the stuff because I fear that it wouldn't read nearly as well as it would play.

Totes fair. I'm not being "smart" about this, I'm just reading all my damn books. Next time "O" comes around (I'm on "E", and doing "Name of the Rose") I'll end up reading "A Long Day's Journey Into Night". 'cause that's the only other "O" I have, I think.

I read "The Scarlett Pimpernell" last pass through (Baroness Orcszy) and found it delightful. I really have very little idea what I'm going to like, so I'll choose based on some arbitrary criteria (haven't read a big book lately, haven't read a classic, haven't read pulp, whatever) and it's been surprising in a good way.

>>Of course, there's also the element of the translation itself. I remember the first time I read The Iliad I couldn't get through it, but I picked up another translation a few years later and went through it voraciously.

For sure.

>>Same thing with Beowulf. Seamus Heaney's translation is amazing and vivid and exciting. The one I had read before that was dull and difficult.

Noted.

I guess because with Shakespeare I want to read, because one doesn't get translations but one also doesn't know what all the words are, I've kind of applied that to a number of classic plays.

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 04:03 PM (7zeA4)

562 I've ended up with more free time due to job responsibilities changing, and I've started doing home renovation projects. I figure if an illiterate HS dropout can learn how to install tile, I can manage it myself. You can find guides for everything under the sun on youtube.

The cost of the trips to Lowes can add up, but you are creating wealth by increasing home value.

Posted by: Clark at October 20, 2016 04:03 PM (PBzDE)

563
For you musicians with a handcrafting bent, take a look at building guitar effects stompboxes, or for the more complex stuff, vacuum tube amps. BIG community of DIY'ers out there.

Or look at building some instruments from kits. Electric guitars are fairly easy. Or if you're more into the acoustic thing, look at starting with a dulcimer or mandolin kit.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 20, 2016 04:03 PM (XWkhW)

564 In keeping with my new found skepticism of the center/right infotainment branch of the dominant media culture, I've amended my reading habits. Basically, I've found it's fairly rewarding to go back and read original source documents and contemporary historical accounts (think Federalist Papers and DeToqueville's Democracy in America, respectively).

This while avoiding the steaming piles of center/right outrage porn from some marginal thinker temporarily affiliated with some think tank and/or Twitter feed designed to get me all het up and increase the author's speaking fee.

Posted by: The Emperor Cletus Augustus at October 20, 2016 04:05 PM (fpgTJ)

565 I'd be so much more interested in distilling my own whiskey, but it's effectively illegal without a commercial license.

I guess I also don't have barrels and a few years to let it age.

But those are mere details.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 03:51 PM (vur0q)

++++

Not true, at least not under federal law.

The distilled spirits permit is only practicable for commercial use, but there is another permit for other uses.

Option two is a Federal Fuel Alcohol Permit (link below), which is free and easy to get. We've never heard of anyone being denied the permit and have never heard of anyone even being checked up on. Just be advised that the feds will expect that you're putting your alcohol in you lawnmower, and not drinking it!

http://www.clawhammersupply.com/blogs/moonshine-
still-blog/7155304-is-making-moonshine-legal

You just need to maintain the fiction that you are distilling alcohol to run your lawnmower instead of drinking it.

Aging doesn't need to take years. It can be as short as a few months.

Finally... The timeframe on the aging process is entirely up to you. Three months generally does it, but you can keep it in there longer for that extra bite. Simply strain it, dilute, and drink. It's not simple, but no one ever said it would be-and if you were told such a lie, find that man and challenge him to a drinking contest.

https://www.thrillist.com/vice/how-to-make-
homemade-whiskey-a-step-by-step-guide

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 20, 2016 04:09 PM (R+30W)

566 Also, preparing better meals for myself and my family seems a much better use of my time. So cooking better food and reading better books while reducing my exposure to the emotional manipulation of advertisements, media in general (basically anything where the interface is a screen). The more so if said media claims to share my political and philosophical inclinations: the need to manipulate for clicks tends to overwhelm any intellectual value. In general, spending more time in meat space than cyber space. All of which has lead me to study the Stoics (how does one cheerfully bear the trials of our times?) and the Epicureans (how does one enjoy what's best in life?).

Posted by: The Emperor Cletus Augustus at October 20, 2016 04:14 PM (ovN2h)

567 We lost the remote the other day and my household was in chaos. It was sad. I think when we move, we'll cut cable and try to go with Amazon Fire Stick or something like that.

Posted by: mullingthingsover at October 20, 2016 04:15 PM (6jt6G)

568 Let me suggest Baseball and, if you live in the south or mid-Atlantic states, civil war reenacting. In regard to baseball, you should consider coaching a little league team. Baseball seems like a simple game, but there are so many facets that it make a wonderful hobby interest even if you never have played or never will play the game yourself.

Civil war reenacting is its own world (in a good way). It combines camping, fellowship, guns, field music, food, and history so you really can't go wrong with it. The participants, while not uniformly conservative, at least share an abiding love of country ("Merica!") and respect for martial traditions and history.

As for your web browsing on the job, let me suggest that may be the symptom of a lack of satisfaction and boredom. I have the same problem. You might want to consider a job that involves driving a big pick up truck. I did and over it.

Posted by: Zon Toro at October 20, 2016 04:17 PM (82s/V)

569 As for your web browsing on the job, let me suggest that may be the symptom of a lack of satisfaction and boredom. I have the same problem. You might want to consider a job that involves driving a big pick up truck. I did and over it.
Posted by: Zon Toro at October 20, 2016 04:17 PM (82s/V)

My browsing at work comes when waiting for test code to run. Or if my brain needs a second to let a problem sink in.

Posted by: mullingthingsover at October 20, 2016 04:21 PM (6jt6G)

570 "I'm now a student of martial arts.

Posted by: ace"

I guess that's where the banzai grooming comes into play?

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at October 20, 2016 04:22 PM (K7IcZ)

571 @568

We took a trip not too long ago to Gettysburg and Monticello and Williamsburg, VA. Gettysburg had the most profound effect on me. It felt to me that if more folks took the time to visit and read up on what happened there we would feel a powerful sense of shame at how poorly we have handled our inheritance. I know I do.

Posted by: The Emperor Cletus Augustus at October 20, 2016 04:22 PM (ovN2h)

572 Saw someone commenting about another comment about dice.
There are dice throwing towers that you put them in on top and they get thrown after going through. I my prefermy polyhedra 10 or 20 sided and only use 4.

Posted by: Skip at October 20, 2016 04:23 PM (sWbjH)

573
On the other end of that theme, my brother's in-laws always dreamed of taking a long cruise. They retired early and bought a 36 foot sailboat, having never sailed before.

They moved to Florida and started living on board (tied up at the dock, as neither one knew how to sail). Within a few weeks, they found out just how small a 36 foot sailboat is.

In less than a month, they both wanted to take an axe to the other's head. A few months later, he was living alone on the boat and she had moved back to live with one of her single daughters. They divorced a year later.

Posted by: jwest at October 20, 2016 03:58 PM (Zs4uk)







I have friends who are long-time liveaboards in SoCal. Insufferable. They get pissed off if you don't agree that Jimmy Buffet is the GREATEST MUSICIAN WHO EVER LIVED. And they were constantly trying to talk me into buying a boat and moving on board.

The selling points came down to "you're single, liveaboard guys get lots of pussy", and "life is better if you throw away all your shit and live in a floating closet".

A few years back, me and my business partners bought a sailboat cheap, and I did a lot of the work to refurb her so we could flip her for cash a couple of months later. Made about $5k profit, even after we accounted for our labor and parts, so that was cool. Thing is, I essentially lived aboard for two months. And. It. Sucked. Nothing stayed dry. Cooking anything without using the microwave was a special kind of hell. Continually moving around while crouched down so you didn't smack your head left you sore all day long. Etc etc.

I guess it takes a special kind of crazy to like living in a marina.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 20, 2016 04:24 PM (XWkhW)

574 >>>557 Our old friend Andrew Sullivan wrote a great essay on this recently. Called it something like "My Distraction Sickness."

Eh! I liked it better when it was called "The Shallows" and was published in the New Yorker like eight years ago.

Also, Sullivan went into his typical overselling-emotional-hysterics, which made the piece seem much less credible and compelling. he was claiming he was DYING or something due to internet overuse.

I'm skeptical.

But a very strong case can be made (and has been made, repeatedly, by better writers) that internet overuse dramatically reduces focus, achievement, and emotional happiness (by substituting a non-fulfilling time-kill for more satisfying ones).

Posted by: ace at October 20, 2016 04:26 PM (dciA+)

575 Brazilian jujitsu

I started this as a profoundly unhealthy 38 old. I thought it would be like wrestling. It is more like chess or learning a new language. It is incredibly addicting super cerebral, and is a great hobby to take up.

Posted by: James at October 20, 2016 04:36 PM (I4CUq)

576 574 But a very strong case can be made (and has been made, repeatedly, by better writers) that internet overuse dramatically reduces focus, achievement, and emotional happiness (by substituting a non-fulfilling time-kill for more satisfying ones).

Posted by: ace at October 20, 2016 04:26 PM (dciA+)

==================

Are you saying that Buzzfeed lists are less spiritually fulfilling than reading Charles Dickens?

Psh...crazy talk.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 04:36 PM (vur0q)

577 >>>ame thing with Beowulf. Seamus Heaney's translation is amazing and vivid and exciting.


Very much so. I had read it in high school and it was a grind.

Heaney's translation brought it to life.

...

Hm! I hated Beowulf in High school. Maybe I'll give this translation a whirl.

BTW, there was a lot of fuss about a new translation of the Count of Monte Cristo a few years ago. Everyone said it was great.

The problem is, it's a translation of the unabridged version. The unabridged version has so much padding in it, you want to kill yourself.

They made a big deal that this unexpurgated version includes references to sex, lesbianism, and drug use (the Count is big on hashish -- the book is an advertisement for the stuff), but they didn't mention that you'd have to wade through interminably long passages about the Carnivale in Rome and boring crap about characters who are not the Count and the targets for his vengeance.

Posted by: ace at October 20, 2016 04:37 PM (dciA+)

578 They made a big deal that this unexpurgated version includes references to sex, lesbianism, and drug use (the Count is big on hashish -- the book is an advertisement for the stuff), but they didn't mention that you'd have to wade through interminably long passages about the Carnivale in Rome and boring crap about characters who are not the Count and the targets for his vengeance.

Posted by: ace at October 20, 2016 04:37 PM (dciA+)

===============

I can't speak to the Count of Monte Cristo itself, but to the tendency of 19th century authors to include long passages I think of Moby Dick.

The passages about the process of extracting the fat from the whales serves no direct narrative purpose, but it does do one main thing:

Color the world by providing greater detail of the lives of the main characters and how they live. It's one thing to say that men are at sea hunting whales. It's another to make people feel like they have the same base of knowledge and feel the same experiences, and sometimes that means taking necessary detours.

Again, I can't speak to the Dumas' work, but it might have some overall positive addition. Or not. It could be that Dumas just needed to cut it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at October 20, 2016 04:42 PM (vur0q)

579 I've also started playing a sort of mind game whenever I'm in meat space. Basically, I try to engage in conversation with whoever I meet. I give myself a few rules such as 'no politics' and 'must respond to what the other person says' so as to keep the conversation from falling into perfunctory patterns.

The game aspect of it helps me break out of my normal non-social operating mode. I generally don't like talking to people I don't know well so social interaction with strangers is challenging. Not in an Asperger's kind of way but more of a painfully introverted sort of way.

Anyhow, the game allows me to improve my small talk, broaden my list of interesting topics, learn about my neighbors, and involve myself self (in broad, general terms) in the overall health and happiness of my community.

Posted by: The Emperor Cletus Augustus at October 20, 2016 04:50 PM (sMSdX)

580 I liked all the long discursive passages in Moby Dick, but that's because I'm a freak for sailing stuff and oceans and what lives in them.

One of my favorites is where he calls the whale the fish. He says, roughly, I know they're warm blooded and I know they breathe air and I know they're mammals but dammit they're fish.

I did get suckered into the "new translation" racket by someone on the book thread. The new Don Quixote is mahvelous, xhe said. The author hates his character. It's just not fun.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 20, 2016 04:50 PM (mgbwf)

581 Dumping the smartphone is also a great idea because of the money savings. And oh, better reception by the way. I can go wander in the deep north woods and still get reception on my $12 flip phone that costs $15/month for service.

I planned to get off Facebook for good in September but I think I'm stuck on it until after the election. Personally, the new hobby I'm taking up is woodworking. Oh, and I'm also doing some freelance work. Extra money, yay!

Posted by: joe at October 20, 2016 04:52 PM (timOb)

582 Akin to the modern translation problem is the historical and contextualizing introduction and forward problem:

I picked up a copy of James Fenimore Cooper's 'Last of the Mohicans' recently because I've been trying to read through some of the foundational texts in American literature. The copy I purchased had a longish introduction from some academic who went on at some length about Cooper's depiction of native Americans and how problematic it all is.

I'm unimpressed with the state of Cooper scholarship but once I got the drift, I skipped ahead to the actual text of the novel and have been enjoying it thoroughly.

Posted by: The Emperor Cletus Augustus at October 20, 2016 04:58 PM (GBqkI)

583 That's so wonderful a scene I might just start
practicing some bits of Claire De Lune. Debussey won't mind how I hack
it up, since he won't know.

Posted by: The Piano Is Over In The Corner at October 20, 2016 02:51 PM (w/exv)

Got distracted by a long phone call, and it's probably too late to respond, but thank you for sharing and YES! Go hack it up and enjoy :-D

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 20, 2016 04:59 PM (BcNLK)

584 Oh, man, that pisses me off, Cletus.

I read a lot of old stuff. I can't remember how many I've read where someone felt compelled to talk about how "problematic" this portrayal of human beings was. I think Washington Irving's "Sketchbook" was one where someone bitched about how he talked about Indians and the slaves.

There's absolutely nothing offensive about the way he does so, even in the modern hypersensitive way: He portrays the Indians as having gotten a bad deal, and he portrays the slaves as being onlookers on finer society (which they were).

There's an inclination--an overwhelming desire, really--to dump on things that are far greater than one's own contributions. That's why the Internet is what it is.

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 05:05 PM (7zeA4)

585 Get a bike. A used road bike. Get a pair of padded shorts, a helmet and a light. All from amazon under 30$. Start riding. In a week you will have a hobby that hits all of the hobby buttons. You'll have opinions on things you have no business knowing about, you will be jealous of people who are better than you, you will have found a group of local, like minded people to do your hobby and drink with, you will think yourself better than those who don't have the same hobby, and you will have or will have planned to spend more money than you have on something you will never actually need. See also: Buy a Porsche

Posted by: lost my cookies at October 20, 2016 05:10 PM (xtbpH)

586 I agree with the recommendation to see Gettysburg. Mr. Saurez is into military history and we toured a number of Civil War battlegrounds when we were in the area years ago. I thought Gettysburg was by far the most rewarding, not only because of its significance in tthe war, but because it's actually small enough that you can really envision what happened, if you've done a little research ahead of time.

Posted by: Dora Suarez at October 20, 2016 05:11 PM (0/Svj)

587 @584

It's like a make work project for second and third rate academics and one reason I prefer used book stores. Older versions are more (not entirely) free of this sort of thing. Cooper's portrayal is pretty sympathetic near as I can tell, though I'm not finished. More to the point, the story he is telling is about something else entirely. These are characters in a work of fiction. But that sort of thing is increasingly verboten:

http://nyti.ms/2c6CVLa


Speaking of hobbies time spent in antique stores and used book shops is rarely wasted.

Posted by: The Emperor Cletus Augustus at October 20, 2016 05:14 PM (fpgTJ)

588 #339 *It's a time travel fantasy, where we get to live an alternate reality taken up from the time we met in 1974. *



As my people are leaving this earth plane, one by one, I am having a
similar experience. I haven't written down the alternate reality though
- just forming my idea of what heaven will be like. Yes, I'm writing
the script for my own heaven with my people who have preceded me.



Sincere condolences on your loss.

Posted by: kallisto at October 20, 2016 02:51 PM (nNdYv)
============Thank you. Write it. All creativity comes from God, and Mr. Deplorable wanted me to become the writer God intended me to be.This exercise is to help me want to live again, so one of the objectives of both the trip into the past, and my real-world goals is to rediscover my joy and will to live. And to remember his voice.I'll provide another excerpt (the Barrel take me if the formatting goes nuts again!)=============

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"Karen Ann, your faith in me has truly given me the
courage to put myself into my work. I
know the skills are mine to acquire, and the gift itself is from God, but the
final piece of the puzzle is the courage to share it, to part with it. You know this. You're a catalyst, you can see that by the
quality of the work I do when you're the subject. I'm inspired to attempt things beyond my
ability - at least, they seem beyond my ability. I care about these paintings in a way I don't
care about my landscapes. I mean, I care
about them, but they can never be a part of me the way 'Fiancee' was. She's the expression of my hope for the
future. 'Reading in Bed' is my present -
the way the days unfold and I take joy in sharing them with you. 'Buttercups' is like that, too."



I smiled at him and brought his hand to my cheek, and leaned
against it, closing my eyes. "Does
the catalyst feel the spark of God when it effects change? Does the Muse find her purpose in inspiring
the artist, or does she have meaning in the absence of the artist?"



His lips were warm on mine.
"You're much more than my Muse, dear heart. You're one of God's children and He has many
roles for us to play. I want you to know
the creative fulfillment that is mine as I share this journey with you. He does too."



I opened my eyes to behold his, dark now, under brows that
were faintly knit. "Tim, if I were
to disappear from your life now, how would you be able to go on without
me?"



"Oh babe, don't go there, I don't even want to imagine
it."



My eyes dropped to his hand in mine. "I felt the same way, and then it
happened. I need to be able to feel joy
and gratitude to God, even as He takes away everything I hold dear. Like Job.
I'm not there yet. You understand
that. How do I achieve this, Tim? You're my personal savior and I need to be
able to make that leap of faith, no matter what. Despair eats at my very life force back in
normal time."



Those eyes darkened to almost black. "Sweetness, that's between you and
God. And Jesus Christ is your personal
savior, not me. He will never leave
you. I can only do so much to help. The answer is prayer, and more prayer. I can't lay it out more clearly. Is it enough to be thankful for the miracle
of being together, this time as well as last, and the one before that? Can this love we share become a symbol for
something greater, that transcends itself? Love is something that comes from God, as does
creativity. He asks us to glorify Him,
to ask for His intercession, to thank Him for everything that comes our way, to
hold onto our faith even as our circumstances descend into hell."



"Tell me how you would cope, if I were to die. I imagined that you were looking down on me
from Heaven and feeling disappointed in me.
Anna said, rightly, that I was the one who was judging myself, not
you."



He looked out the window, past the white gauze which still
hung there, to the darkness beyond.



"You want me to put myself in your place. I can't really do that, but I'll try. In this place, in this time, I have my whole
life before me. You felt that with my
death, the best was behind you, and I can understand that in a way.



"I would cling to the wonderful experience of loving
you, and being loved by you. When things
seemed most dark, I would wrap myself in the memory of what it felt like to
have you by my side, understanding me and loving me and wanting the best for
me. I would thank God for showing me how
sweet life and love can be, for giving us our time together, however short,
because it was a priceless gift."



As he spoke, I felt my eyes filling with tears, and now they
ran down my cheeks, around the curve of my jaw to my neck. He pulled me to him and held me fiercely,
even as his own tears began. "Karen Ann, you can't focus on the loss, you
must focus on the gift, the knowledge, the experience of our love. Don't focus on the fear and pain. God isn't done with you. However confusing, this is part of His plan. He has infinite love for you, that will never
end."



He took my face in his hands, and kissed my tears. "I feel so blessed to have your love,
Sweetness. Share my joy and gratitude." I clung to him, even as he stood, even as he
removed my clothing, even as he tried to remove his, until we both ended up
laughing and falling onto the bed.



We gave thanks and praised God long into the night.


Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the Deplorable Standard Rednecks at October 20, 2016 05:17 PM (BcNLK)

589 Cletus--

Yeah. I love old book stores but I've tried to minimize my visits & book purchases until I get through the books I have. This could be a while, unless I double or triple my reading speed. =P

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 05:22 PM (7zeA4)

590 My hobby is driving like a maniac on the weekends. It helps to get out the aggression.

Posted by: freaked at October 20, 2016 05:27 PM (BO/km)

591 What the heck? Even the barrel is going to choke on that.

Posted by: freaked at October 20, 2016 05:29 PM (BO/km)

592 @589

Same problem. My purchase-to-read ratio is almost hopelessly skewed. I've adopted a read-two-buy-one policy until the situation achieves some kind equilibrium.

Like Ace, I've drastically cut down my online time and have been weaning myself off my various telescreens in favor of the printed page. My big problem is once I sit down to read at night, I'm usually so beat I fall asleep after one or two paragraphs.

Posted by: The Emperor Cletus Augustus at October 20, 2016 05:29 PM (d/6o5)

593 A sweet story. I suppose you can get a free get out of the barrel card for that.

Posted by: freaked at October 20, 2016 05:33 PM (BO/km)

594 Volunteer at your local library to do what I believe they still call "shelf reading"...Start with a section - oh, let's say astronomy (520 in the Dewey Decimal system)...start alphabetizing the books and I mean REALLY alphabetize / Dewey decimal the crap out of them...Same last name for multiple authors? Alphabetize by first name....alphabetize every permutation of the Dewey Decimal system, i.e alpha all the books that are 520.1, then all the ones that are 520.2, or 520.23...then on to the 520.3's. Make sure the spines of the books are even with the edge of the bookshelf...
This involves removing / relocating a lot of books...obscure books, books that haven't been checked out in decades, books that make you wonder, "Someone actually pitched this idea and got a publisher to print it?". You can spend hours browsing through them. It makes you use your mind, and it really requires attention to detail to get it right.
Keep that mind sharp, have a genuine feeling of accomplishment, and help out your local library.

Posted by: tomaig at October 20, 2016 05:35 PM (i34xM)

595 I'm starting an adoption/foster ministry at my church. Tons of needy kids stuck in the cps system in Texas. Learning a lot and keeping focused on better things that the "divine judgement" God is handing down to this country!

Posted by: Nlynch at October 20, 2016 05:37 PM (c6Cz/)

596 Cletus--

That's not a bad policy but in my case I have 1,200 books that I've read maybe...well, I should probably count how many I haven't read. Half, maybe? Maybe more?

This year I'm on track to read about 70-80, and I've bought fewer than 10, so I've got that going for me. But it's still a crapshoot as to whether I'll get them read before I die.

I've had success reading right after work at night, though I can read at night without conking out. There have been times when I read the same page for an hour trying to stay up, tho'.

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 05:37 PM (7zeA4)

597 I'm just gonna put in a plug for "take up ham radio" here.
Fun hobby.
At its best, social media without all that messy infrastructure .... meet "interesting Italians" and other total strangers directly .... local and worldwide communication no matter what happens .... in a hobby - community most of whom seem to be politically compatible with the Horde.
See link in nic.

/plug

Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on at October 20, 2016 05:37 PM (Z8DIA)

598 Somewhere there is an interview quote. It was either with Umberto Eco or, maybe, Nassim Nicolas Taleb talking about the books in their library and the hopelessness of reading them all. The upshot was something like the point of a library was as a statement of what you value. Or something like that. That is a very bad paraphrase of the original.

Posted by: The Emperor Cletus Augustus at October 20, 2016 05:40 PM (pIVKO)

599 Well, however it was phrased, it sounds like the battle cry of the QUITTER!

#gonnareademall

#probably

#ifidontdiefirst

#29isntasyoungasitusedtobe

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 05:57 PM (7zeA4)

600 Hiking. Swimming. Learning to make excellent home-cured bacon and sausages. Canning, pickling. Learning how to make good foreign food dishes. Just calling a friend or family member out of the blue and asking them to go for a walk with me.

Gardening is my biggie. Leads to lots of other activities. Gets me out in the sun and drops my blood pressure.

I haven't done a really good hike in a long time but when you start capturing little peaks here and there for the view/reward, it becomes addictive.

When I transition into my next career and we have some actual cash flow again, I want to buy an old 02-series BMW and rebuild it as a joint hobby with my husband. He wants an old VW beetle but I'm hoping to bend him my way first and do the bug second.

Posted by: lauraw at October 20, 2016 05:58 PM (K/zYU)

601 Regarding (35); "I think getting a dog would help though, but I've been having the worst luck (tried shelters, rescues, breeders to find a nice dog that's low maintenance and fits my laid back lifestyle. Been the most aggravating experience ever, with no sign at all that I'll ever find the right dog.) "
Posted by: #NeverHillary

Getting a dog is a certainty a "Life Change". The right dog will find you.

From experience with having Australian Cattle Dogs (ACD) in my life, I've been lucky to have dogs match my lifestyle. I have rescued 2 of them and they were older dogs. Try an older dog. An ACD starts to slow down around the 6-8 year old range. They will still need a daily walk(s) and some "mind" stimulation. What ACD's will really want is to be by their owner 24x7x365 they are velcro dogs.

Now a young ACD is really a life change, rule of thumb with a young ACD .... a tired cattle dog is a good cattle dog, a tired cattle dog is a good cattle dog. They are busy dogs that want to do something with their owner. They were breed to have a job of moving cattle.

#NeverHillary - Best of luck in finding a life change/getting a dog!

Posted by: LurkersincebeforeKaboom at October 20, 2016 06:02 PM (vB0KY)

602 lauraw--that sounds cool, both the project and the marriage!

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 06:09 PM (7zeA4)

603 Hey thanks moviegique!

Posted by: lauraw at October 20, 2016 06:24 PM (K/zYU)

604 Breaking into a book is the hardest thing for me to do, but once I get past that first hurdle it becomes pleasant - sometimes I even get excited just thinking about picking the book up again.

The second thing about books - writers almost always lean to the left - so no matter what genre/fiction or nonfiction - there's almost always subtle jabs that need to be ignored - do not linger on them!

I kinda dig SF but the local library SF section blows - I hate buying books only to find the story and writer pretty much suck. And a lot of what I do find enjoyable is bloated by over-characterization and tiresome descriptive flotsam (trilogy wool/shift/dust)

I also hate getting trapped into trilogies.

M John Harrison's SF novel Light and alternate world palimpsest Viriconium are very pleasant.

Non-fiction?

Underground in Berlin: A Young Woman's Extraordinary Tale of Survival in the Heart of Nazi Germany

The Devil Soldier: The Story of Frederick Townsend Ward

Free non fiction?

Diary of a Nursing Sister on the Western Front 1914-1915
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/18910.bibrec.html

Posted by: 13times at October 20, 2016 06:28 PM (WHVu+)

605 Take me on, take on me!

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 20, 2016 06:43 PM (6Ll1u)

606 The Devil Soldier: The Story of Frederick Townsend Ward
------
Ooh, we were just discussing him at work. An "adventurer", as these footloose soldiers of fortune used to be called. First mate on a clipper ship, filibuster, mercenary, Texas Ranger, and enforcer for the "Shanghai Pirate Suppression Bureau". That's some resume.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Imperatrix Siculus at October 20, 2016 06:45 PM (EnKk6)

607 lauraw-- Thanks for sharing it. These non-political threads are the best for finding out all the awesomeness.

13times -- This is why I favor 1950-and-earlier authors. They didn't lean to the left back then, at least not all of them. Go back to the 19th century and there's hardly any leftism.

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 06:50 PM (7zeA4)

608 Speaking of Ward, The Boy, who I've often worried about in terms of "will he ever find interest in academic subjects" is loving Thomas Cochrane's "The Autobiography of a Seaman".

It's only got a 3.5 on Goodreads with people saying it's dry, but he's telling me about it, all excited about the naval battles, the corrupt elections, Cochrane's great-great-great-great-grandfather back in the 14th century trying to get 5,000 pounds the king owes him...

He's homeschooled, and I've realized the #1 thing a parent can do for a kid is NOT do what Ace (and a lot of us) had done to him: Killing the love of learning.

So: A sigh of relief is in order.

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 06:54 PM (7zeA4)

609 606 >

1860 Shanghai had to be one of the strangest places to have ever existed. It would fit perfectly into the world of Viriconium.

Posted by: 13times at October 20, 2016 06:56 PM (WHVu+)

610 >>> 13times -- This is why I favor 1950-and-earlier authors. They didn't lean to the left back then, at least not all of them. Go back to the 19th century and there's hardly any leftism.

I've read a ton of Project Gutenberg books for the same reason - History of the American Merchant Marine is pretty good - especially the chapter on Clipper ships and American sailing technology.

Posted by: 13times at October 20, 2016 07:01 PM (WHVu+)

611 13times--noted

You guys are terrible at helping me get through the books I =already= have...

Posted by: moviegique at October 20, 2016 07:20 PM (7zeA4)

612 Ace, totally agree about the phone/internet being this awful electronic leash. I am on vacation this week and while hiking in the mountains I spent some time thinking about what I want my life to be like--specifically what would be a more worthy way to spend the hours I've been given here on earth (that are now too devoted to wasting time online).

You should check out a recent James Altucher podcast where he interviews Cal Newport, who has written a lot about focus and the concept of "deep work." We miss out on so much real and meaningful achievement due to our digital distractions. One of my intentions for the coming months is to cut out internet dithering as much as possible.

Posted by: From Boston at October 20, 2016 09:43 PM (8XvA3)

613 This will fail after a few weeks, because the reason you got online in the first place was:

1. You weren't learning/fanboying enough about your personal hobby with your own friends or family, and wanted validation from others who did

2. The Internet is more efficient and effective than hobbyist magazines or books at getting the information you want, when you want it,

3. Politics really is important (this is an artifact of our democratic governing structure and will change as more people find it safer to disconnect from their personal Khalas)

4. How embarrassed were you the first time you realized you were, in fact, spouting off the bluest of Conventional Wisdom because you had read it somewhere or picked it up in a social circle that you loved so much you never wanted to think outside it or its strictures?

5. How functional are these activities when it's only you and the family you can shanghai into doing them?

http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2014/11/zen-and-art-of-trail-maintenance.html

"The collapse of deliberate and concerted maintenance wasn't so
noticeable in the context of woodland trails during the '80s and early
'90s (well into the era of civic disengagement), because the society was
in its outgoing phase of the cocooning-and-crime cycle. Every
trail-goer who kicked a branch out of their way or bashed up a thorn
bush in their way kept the trail in decent shape. Since the return of
cocooning and helicopter parenting over the past 20-25 years, though,
hardly anybody wanders back through there, so there aren't even the
unwitting volunteers to keep it people-friendly."

To get public spiritedness you first need a not-inconsequential fraction of the public with you.


Posted by: Dystopia Max at October 20, 2016 11:37 PM (UM8Ie)

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