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Politico Founder Jim Van Der Hei: I've Always Defended the Media Against Bias Charges, But This Year, They've Proven Themselves to Be Hyperpartisan Embarrassments
Even the media is now embarrassed by the media.
In a way they never did before like I've said this before. I've always been a defender of the media. I think these accusations of bias are usually overdone. I think that that’s all out the door, all out the window in this campaign. I think reporters have become so biased, so partisan, particularly on Twitter.He added:
"Go look at the Twitter feeds of the reporters from your major newspapers -- The New York Times, The Washington Post, others - -and tell me if those are things that they would say on TV or that would have ever been acceptable in previous campaigns....Just let the facts be out there and let people make a judgment."Twitter is an interesting phenomenon (if a dreadful one). It puts the spotlight on a person's narcissism, and each person's desire to show off and preen and signal for his Tribe acts as a kind of ego-fueled truth serum to confess things he ought really not confess.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2016 12:29 PM (5Vm+C)
Posted by: Mr Pink at October 05, 2016 12:29 PM (qA6R4)
Posted by: Auscolpyr at October 05, 2016 12:30 PM (suO/a)
But, what if you are an asshole?
Posted by: Roy at October 05, 2016 12:30 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: kathysaysso at October 05, 2016 12:30 PM (43OZ6)
Posted by: blaster at October 05, 2016 12:30 PM (tewYv)
Posted by: Yo! at October 05, 2016 12:30 PM (uPt3V)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2016 12:31 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Golfman at October 05, 2016 12:31 PM (61k9d)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 05, 2016 12:31 PM (mpXpK)
Why would anyone expect media to NOT be biased?
You buy what you want with media
Posted by: him at October 05, 2016 12:31 PM (epLyw)
None are so blind that they refuse too see. As he picked up a hammer and saw.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2016 12:31 PM (Bd48Y)
Posted by: Roy at October 05, 2016 12:32 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at October 05, 2016 12:32 PM (RD7QR)
The distortion ("bias" is such an inadequate word, it is inaccurate and misleading in itself) of the press has been off-the-charts for many years.
Omission (a powerful form of lying), and framework. Omission, and framework.
Just try to have an intelligent discussion with an "intelligent", "informed" NPR listener.
It's not just that they "know" things that aren't true. It's not just that they don't know about so much pertinent stuff that IS true.
Their entire framework for even understanding an issue, even if if they had and understood the facts, is false.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 05, 2016 12:32 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: JEM at October 05, 2016 12:32 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: Cindy Munford at October 05, 2016 12:32 PM (3uOKP)
" It used to be that people got mad at you for reading their diary. Now they get mad at you if you don't."
That's why I do not participate in any social media other than commenting here.
Social media is a window to your naked soul.
And no one wants to see your nasty nekkid soul!
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 12:33 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: deplorable donna at October 05, 2016 12:33 PM (O2RFr)
If people with a great deal of authority are going to act as responsibly, morally, and intelligentlyly as a high school clique organizer, and they are, I'd like to shine as much light on that as possible.
Go Twitter.
Posted by: AD at October 05, 2016 12:33 PM (0gcA3)
That's why you see this feedback loop of the media getting shriller and shriller not really doing anything to Trump's chances.
The race is still tied according to the same MSM polls from the same organizations we all know are doing everything they can to sink Trump/Pence and are supposed to trust and not question.
Posted by: Maritime at October 05, 2016 12:33 PM (hm8zK)
Posted by: kathysaysso at October 05, 2016 12:34 PM (43OZ6)
Posted by: nckate at October 05, 2016 12:34 PM (Eb5Hw)
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 05, 2016 12:34 PM (4ng05)
Posted by: Colossus of Ben Rhodes at October 05, 2016 12:35 PM (EqtM7)
Posted by: Yo! at October 05, 2016 12:35 PM (uPt3V)
His regular attire...
Posted by: deplorable donna at October 05, 2016 12:35 PM (O2RFr)
I get to brag that Scott Adams agrees with me that Tim Kaine looks like PBH
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/783444264080506880
Posted by: Votermom watching a Spanish show at October 05, 2016 12:35 PM (Om16U)
I quit Twitter, it is a time suck and a cesspool
Posted by: Yo! at October 05, 2016 12:35 PM (uPt3V)
I figured it was the bathroom wall of the internet.
Posted by: kathysaysso at October 05, 2016 12:35 PM (43OZ6)
The distortion ("bias" is such an inadequate word, it is inaccurate and misleading in itself) of the press has been off-the-charts for many years.
Posted by: rhomboid
The media has been liberal for a while, but what we're seeing now is a whole different ballgame.
Posted by: Maritime at October 05, 2016 12:35 PM (hm8zK)
Posted by: Czar Peter at October 05, 2016 12:35 PM (r+scm)
Why would anyone expect media to NOT be biased?
You buy what you want with media
Posted by: him at October 05, 2016 12:31 PM (epLyw)
The fact the media won't admit they're biased and act as though they're just coolly assessing facts and events drives us as nuts as the fact they're actually biased.
When they admit it, let's talk.
Posted by: AD at October 05, 2016 12:36 PM (0gcA3)
And NO this is nothing new, they were just despicable in their slant when came to Sarah Palin.
**SPiT**
Posted by: dananjcon at October 05, 2016 12:37 PM (NpXoL)
One thing that was occasionally stunning and almost encouraging was to see smart, fair-minded journalists in the field having their work stomped/spiked/changed by idiots back in New York, Paris, or London.
One came to me screaming oaths at his editors, he even printed out his raw filing to compare with what was on the wires under his byline. It completely changed (distorted, lied about) the facts he had reported.
Oddly, it was non-Americans who were generally the best. (oh - not Europeans, other foreigners)
Posted by: rhomboid at October 05, 2016 12:38 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: The Jackhole at October 05, 2016 12:38 PM (M+Lyo)
Posted by: pep at October 05, 2016 12:38 PM (3e8zv)
Perhaps if they lay in a good stock of napkins to clean themselves between sessions
Posted by: Colossus of Ben Rhodes at October 05, 2016 12:39 PM (EqtM7)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 05, 2016 12:39 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: kahall at October 05, 2016 12:39 PM (xTgLs)
Posted by: pep
Exactly, they'll be "hard" on a Democrat as soon as the Election is well behind them and they can safely scold without it effecting any votes.
And then they'll make sure to draw some comparison about how Republicans do it too.
Posted by: Maritime at October 05, 2016 12:40 PM (hm8zK)
Why would anyone expect media to NOT be biased?
You buy what you want with media
Posted by: him at October 05, 2016 12:31 PM (epLyw)
because we have all had it
Like Andrew Breitbart said: "War!"
Damn right. I'm sick of it. Someone has to fight back.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 05, 2016 12:40 PM (qCMvj)
So skanky, spirochete-infested crack whores don't like being called out as crack whores?
Who knew?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 12:41 PM (X6fMO)
Posted by: Maritime
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I agree. The media used to slant things toward their party. Now, they outright lie, and present opinion as fact, which used to be a big no no.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 05, 2016 12:41 PM (7ZVPa)
Posted by: General Zod at October 05, 2016 12:41 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 05, 2016 12:41 PM (0Wg/j)
I was going to dispute this for me but then again, I do use twitter very much to signal my allegiance to the Tribe by which I mean the Cleveland Indians. So, yes, yes I do signal my Tribe.
I think there's a difference in kind between someone who should be using twitter for professional advancements and, well, me, for whom twitter is a way to make snarky comments back and forth with friends and to look at corgi videos. Do I virtue signal some? Of course I do. But I have no illusions at all that I am advancing the Narrative or whatever. Nope. All I'm doing is preening about. That's it.
I do not comprehend this bit where professionals lose their ever loving minds and just blurt stuff out. The hell. If you have that little self control, don't go on twitter. Set it up to auto tweet out links to your articles so you get the precious page views but then stay away. It's easy if you try.
I enjoy twitter but when it dies I will miss it for approximately .234 seconds because it's not important in tne least.
Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 05, 2016 12:41 PM (mf5HN)
https://tinyurl.com/jmlwqcn
Steve Harvey "interview" scripted by Clinton.
Steve Harvey. Serious interviewer. He'll never have to worry about laying claim to that on his resume.
This makes him look like a tool and an utter idiot. I hope it was worth it for him.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 05, 2016 12:42 PM (4ng05)
Posted by: Colossus of Ben Rhodes at October 05, 2016 12:42 PM (EqtM7)
No, as long as the press gets to control and distort the debates, we don't get what we buy. We didn't buy the bias; it's just presented to us and we have to accept it.
Posted by: pep at October 05, 2016 12:43 PM (3e8zv)
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Yeah. Well, here is 45 sec. video of Rachel Maddow after Clinton/Maddow 'debate'.
Ever seen a 'moderator' hug a candidate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy5zwiMBu6Y
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2016 12:43 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 05, 2016 12:43 PM (R+30W)
Drudge is not a 'journalist.' He links to others.
And Fox? Fox is the biggest NeverTrump echo chamber around.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 05, 2016 12:43 PM (r2iuB)
to act as responsibly, morally, and intelligentlyly as a high school
clique organizer, and they are, I'd like to shine as much light on that
as possible.
"Go Twitter.
Posted by: AD
amen
Cronkite got his Globalist Government award in 1999, and Hillary chimed in as FLOTUS praising that lofty goal (new world order, which Soros wants to destroy the west to establish). Cronkite even spoke then of how he couldn't come out (of the commie closet) back in his day, people were not ready.
The commie machine was alive and well for decades, Obama and Hillary had such mentors early on, and Chicago seems to be the HQ (even on the Chicago School of economics, in a certain globalist sense). It's hardly even a conspiracy theory anymore.
Twitter exposes those that can't hide anymore, if only because the arrogance gets the better of them. But the MFM still sets the narrative for many/most.
Posted by: illiniwek at October 05, 2016 12:43 PM (n6rAX)
You are nuts. We rate this claim as mostly true!
Posted by: Your totally unbiased superiors in the media at October 05, 2016 12:43 PM (pjHqs)
Posted by: andycanuck at October 05, 2016 12:44 PM (LdMbv)
And why should we be impressed with his opinion anyway? Its not like he's been the poster boy for un-biased reporting.
Posted by: Dansgirls at October 05, 2016 12:44 PM (xBbs+)
Posted by: pep at October 05, 2016 12:44 PM (3e8zv)
Van der hei to his fellow libs: "If you guys would stop with the partisan tweeting, it would be easier to fool people. You guys are ruining it for us."
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (fgOnp)
Posted by: deplorable shillelagh at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (L3vVL)
That strategy worked for Biden against Ryan. Why didn't it work this time?
Posted by: L, Elle at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (L9GR7)
Posted by: nckate at October 05, 2016 12:34 PM (Eb5Hw)
A cargo cult?
Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (uiwCw)
And I'm not just talking about an actual partisan topic like a binary presidential election.
I'm talking about how people even form their "understanding" of a subject - even one affecting their lives, concretely.
One can see it here, regularly. Discussions of key topics from a "right" perspective that are almost as silly as the idiocy one sees from an NPR type - because the entire framework is STILL the same one crippling the NPR types.
Whatever. Inertia and good luck are the only things making a decent future possible now. If some of the Beltway (mindset, not just geography) start saying things like this from embarrassment, it can't hurt.
It gives "permission" to the highly educated, successful, remarkably ignorant and policy-stupid suburban voters to acknowledge those little stirrings of doubt caused by the increasingly histrionic distortion that has replaced any semblance of journalism.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Max Power at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (q177U)
Let me get this straight. Up until now the media was worthy of being defended and was not biased at all; but now, suddenly, with no warning whatsoever, not even an inkling, they are full of jackassery and completely biased? Talk about "missing the forest through the trees!" You know if this guys is actually being honest then he has been the most clueless idiot on the planet for his entire life and every decision he has ever made must be questioned completely.
By the way, Van Der Hei sounds like a completely made up name, sort of like Iowahawk's "T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII," doesn't it? Are we sure this is a real guy and not a pseudonym?
Pax Ex
Posted by: Publius Redux at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (Fb9aZ)
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:46 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: tu3031 at October 05, 2016 12:46 PM (qJhUV)
1) completely ignored or,
2) "reported," then minimized in the next sentence.
That kind of sycophantic devotion would make Stalin blush.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 05, 2016 12:47 PM (SeD0w)
His regular attire...
Posted by: deplorable donna at October 05, 2016 12:35 PM (O2RFr)
Just watched a bit of Outnumbered at lunch. They were discussing the debate last night and how Kaine interrupted so much, that even CBS developed an interruption chart of Kaine's behavior last night.
They replayed Kaine talking about how Comey said no "reasonable" prosecutor would prosecute this case, which means Hillary and her staff did nothing illegal.
I loathe Comey for not only sabotaging this investigation, but also for inserting that Democrat talking point at their behest in his remarks. I hear that same thing over and over from dumbass Democrats and Liberals, how Hillary and her staff did nothing illegal because even Comey said no one would prosecute them for what he found.
Posted by: Jen the original at October 05, 2016 12:47 PM (ntZAP)
Posted by: pookysgirl at October 05, 2016 12:47 PM (ar2KI)
I guarantee you Van Der Hei really does think we're that stupid. I'd love for someone to call the idiot's bluff.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 12:47 PM (X6fMO)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles
I would agree that's when the liberal media began hiding its bias less and less
The Baby Boomer counterculture started taking over the newsrooms from the Old Guard about that time and loved them some Clintons as they were peas in a pod
The 2000 Election with Bush vs Gore was about the last one where they still had a shred of credibility. After the recount, they went full retard.
Posted by: Maritime at October 05, 2016 12:47 PM (hm8zK)
Posted by: A Blinkin at October 05, 2016 12:47 PM (2ot48)
Posted by: runner at October 05, 2016 12:48 PM (c6/9Q)
They would have no problem with more subtle bias.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 05, 2016 12:48 PM (u0lmX)
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:46 PM (gmeXX)
They can't be unbiased but they should be at least fair. They're not even meeting that standard.
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at October 05, 2016 12:48 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: pookysgirl at October 05, 2016 12:48 PM (ar2KI)
Posted by: alexthechick - The Exalted Reverend Doctor Architect Darth Sugartits, JD at October 05, 2016 12:41 PM (mf5HN)
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I'll miss it for .223 seconds.
Posted by: Soona at October 05, 2016 12:48 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:48 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: pookysgirl at October 05, 2016 12:47 PM (ar2KI)
I want nothing to do with Al.
Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 05, 2016 12:49 PM (Idu2i)
Posted by: A Blinkin at October 05, 2016 12:49 PM (2ot48)
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Sort of intertwined don't you think? Your idea of fairness is colored by your personal bias.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:49 PM (gmeXX)
Yeah, but there was still some amount of basic "who, what, where, when" to reporting. Sometime in the 1960's, J-schools students stopped wanting to be an accurate record of their life and times, and changed their mission statement to "change the world."
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 05, 2016 12:50 PM (SeD0w)
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 12:50 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: Lester Holt: Registered Republican at October 05, 2016 12:50 PM (qJhUV)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 05, 2016 12:50 PM (KUaJL)
have ever been acceptable in previous campaigns...Just let the facts
be out there and let people make a judgment."
Says the guy whose blog posted over 100 home page stories on Herman Cain's alleged affair.
He's not upset by the MSM partisanship, he's upset at their lack of finesse.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 12:50 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 05, 2016 12:50 PM (BS8yt)
Hoping a few Republican hold outs saw it and will back the Trump/Pence ticket.
I will be the first to admit I thought Pence was a bad pick for Trump, but he grew on me in a big way last night.
And I had no idea what a shit weasel Kaine was.
Posted by: Maritime at October 05, 2016 12:50 PM (hm8zK)
Posted by: pep at October 05, 2016 12:51 PM (3e8zv)
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:51 PM (gmeXX)
The reporters themselves are nothings - even the ones on the networks. Look at who the owners are and you'll see who is pulling the strings. NBC is owned by GE - Jeffrey Immelt is in Obama's back pocket. Carlos Sim owns the NY Times. How do you think he feels about globalization and illegal immigration?
The reporters are scum - but I think even if they woke up tomorrow and decided they would be perfectly even-handed and report on Hillary's crime - they wouldn't be allowed to.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 05, 2016 12:52 PM (u0lmX)
Posted by: L, Elle at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (L9GR7)
Pence is better than Ryan.
Posted by: Votermom watching a Spanish show at October 05, 2016 12:52 PM (Om16U)
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:52 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 05, 2016 12:52 PM (SeD0w)
Posted by: SH
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This is true. But, in times past the messaging was *very* diverse, there was at least some balance. The major publishers have all but killed off diversity of opinion in the local newspapers. Most 'news' that LIV's get is from broadcasters who are 100% Liberal echo chambers/propaganists.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2016 12:52 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 12:53 PM (4T3xL)
Going to make things real interesting when things get, well, real.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at October 05, 2016 12:53 PM (9krrF)
Just ask the NYT editor who thinks he's brave for illegally publishing Trump's tax returns.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 12:53 PM (NOIQH)
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See my post at 91 - newspapers are sort of going back to their roots.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:53 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: pookysgirl at October 05, 2016 12:47 PM (ar2KI)
The Acorn Squash Nation welcomes you.
Posted by: josephistan at October 05, 2016 12:53 PM (7HtZB)
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Clowns have lately been losing their appeal.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2016 12:53 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Votermom watching a Spanish show at October 05, 2016 12:54 PM (Om16U)
Posted by: L, Elle at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (L9GR7)
Ryan didn't want to win. He'd have to work.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 12:54 PM (X6fMO)
Posted by: Dump Trump Driver at October 05, 2016 12:54 PM (t3P/T)
Posted by: xim at October 05, 2016 12:54 PM (BrQrN)
That said, the perceived bias--in fact the very existence-- of FOX has let the rest of the MSM just run wild with their extreme bias, to just let their freak flag fly without care of who notices.....
Posted by: JoeF. at October 05, 2016 12:54 PM (TF+0P)
Posted by: deplorable donna at October 05, 2016 12:54 PM (O2RFr)
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1. Age difference.
2. Biden is more likable in general.
3. Obama , not Hillary.
Oh - and I never thought it worked for Biden.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:55 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 05, 2016 12:55 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Yuimetal at October 05, 2016 12:55 PM (0mjO2)
These "journalists" are puppets in the hands of far more powerful people. They are entirely willing ones, of course, but puppets all the same.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 05, 2016 12:55 PM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 12:55 PM (4T3xL)
Liberals want to assert their belligerence, and so the party coaches the catholic creepy clown to interrupt constantly. A bad result, but they definitely got the thing they wanted the most.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 05, 2016 12:55 PM (VdICR)
Yeah, but there was still some amount of basic "who, what, where, when" to reporting. Sometime in the 1960's, J-schools students stopped wanting to be an accurate record of their life and times, and changed their mission statement to "change the world."
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 05, 2016 12:50 PM (SeD0w)
I agree. To pretend - or even to believe - that it's impossible to be unbiased to issues that you spend your time researching/discussing issues is just lying to yourself. Everyone who has spent time thinking about a topic has an opinion on it. The only truly unbiased people are the ones who haven't thought about something.
If we (well, the media, and society at large) got away from the idea that "unbiased" was something that should even be a goal in the media and accepted that yes, we're biased, and we're going to view things through that lens, then we'll be much better off.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 05, 2016 12:55 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: Hillary! at October 05, 2016 12:55 PM (qJhUV)
I must assume Mr. Van Der Hei has enough income or assets to live
permanently off the reservation. This kind of heresy isn't well liked by
our Betters.
Eh, they do this sort of hand-wringing introspection every now and then. Never triggers a change in behavior, just sort of makes them feel better to say it and then go right back to their bad habits.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 12:56 PM (NOIQH)
Happy to call Fox News, the Wall Street Journal the New York Post and Drudge "Republican" in exchange for CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, PBS, etc., all correctly calling themselves "Democrat."
Let the people choose what news (or, infotainment) they want to consume.
Its a consumer fairness issue. Perhaps some overreaching GOP Attorney General can sue some media companies under the consumer protection laws to try to get a news station to reveal its editorial bias as a matter of unfair trade practices.
Before you condemn that approach, consider what it would mean to turn lawfare against the democrats, for once.
Posted by: Revenant at October 05, 2016 12:56 PM (3DSAh)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 05, 2016 12:56 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 12:56 PM (4T3xL)
Posted by: Yuimetal at October 05, 2016 12:57 PM (0mjO2)
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This is the network that employs Hannity correct? There may be some people at Fox out to get Trump, but I don't think you can say the network was out to get him.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:57 PM (gmeXX)
Absolutely wrong (but it's conventional wisdom) that one cannot be unbiased, or fair. It's easy. If you're smart and informed enough. Easy. Yet this shibboleth is universally accepted. It happens all the time (not in the media much, any more, but even there - and when you see it, it's immediately obvious). But whatever.
And ..... not that important, a lost cause, everybody lazily accepts the idea that fair/accurate reporting is impossible.
But absolutely RIGHT about why it matters so much - the intrusion of govt. into everything. And not just the basic intrusion - the fact that in doing so, govt. is unmoored from law, tradition, common sense, the constitution, science, anything rational that has been the basis for progress in our history.
Just arbitrary, and increasingly based on racism, authoritarian pathologies, tribalism, and crude self-seeking corruption.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 05, 2016 12:57 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Hairy Reed at October 05, 2016 12:57 PM (o9m/V)
It's more than just muckraking to sell papers, it's now full-on ideological revolution.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 05, 2016 12:57 PM (iynDC)
I would prefer massive fines over the billions in undeclared in-kind contributions.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 05, 2016 12:57 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: firefirefire at October 05, 2016 12:57 PM (of67s)
That's fine if you are honest or well reasoned. Not so much if you are a preening narcissistic or pathos driven. If the later is quickly shows how shallow and biased you are.
Frankly, that doesn't seem to matter to so called journalists today. They all. Over for each other like good little quislings. Everybody knows it and they just don't seem to care. It's their ends to a means.
It's really why people hate them. Because they abuse their positions and collectively denigrate or shame anyone who doesn't agree with them.
I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. They are disgusting weasels who are largely responsible for the situation our country is in. Their. Ingest casualty is truth.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 05, 2016 12:58 PM (1Njtx)
Posted by: wooga at October 05, 2016 12:58 PM (pjHqs)
Posted by: Liz Shining Beaver Warren at October 05, 2016 12:58 PM (SeD0w)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 12:58 PM (4T3xL)
Posted by: Hillary! at October 05, 2016 12:55 PM (qJhUV)
Why so serious?
Posted by: Tim the creepy clown Kaine at October 05, 2016 12:59 PM (fgOnp)
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You can certainly be more fair and less biased, but it eventually comes through. Maybe not directly, any may very subtlety, but it is there.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:59 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at October 05, 2016 01:00 PM (nFdGS)
*gets misty-eyed*
Posted by: Votermom watching a Spanish show at October 05, 2016 01:00 PM (Om16U)
Posted by: Marc Turi at October 05, 2016 01:00 PM (C278+)
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:51 PM (gmeXX)
Yeah in Citizen Kane his news and politics were merged the same as his democrat rival.
Ideally someone could read both papers to get the entire story. This isn't great in practice, but it's better than waiting for some non-partisan genius to pick up reporting.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 05, 2016 01:00 PM (VdICR)
Posted by: Pravda at October 05, 2016 01:00 PM (BrQrN)
Posted by: Tim the creepy clown Kaine at October 05, 2016 01:01 PM (fgOnp)
Yeah, even if the truth is staring them in the face, if it doesn't "feel" correct, it will be discounted or ignored.
Posted by: Liz Shining Beaver Warren at October 05, 2016 01:01 PM (SeD0w)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B0HV_GQut4
Posted by: illiniwek at October 05, 2016 01:01 PM (n6rAX)
Posted by: The MFM at October 05, 2016 01:02 PM (vtcmf)
Posted by: Yuimetal at October 05, 2016 01:02 PM (Pby3z)
Having seen how Teh Donald has caused her to completely come unglued, my guess is "daddy issues."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 01:02 PM (X6fMO)
but it eventually comes through. Maybe not directly, any may very
subtlety, but it is there.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 12:59 PM (gmeXX)
--Just choosing what news to discuss, and what not to discuss, even if you are 100% factual and even-handed about what you discuss, can reveal a bias.Using news to try to form a "narrative" or some kind of "story arc" is a form of bias. You are not being a passive newsreader reporting just the facts, you are trying to get certain facts to fit into a preferred storyline.There will always be a bias. It just needs to be out in the open.
Posted by: Revenant at October 05, 2016 01:02 PM (3DSAh)
*gets misty-eyed*
Posted by: Votermom watching a Spanish show at October 05, 2016 01:00 PM (Om16U)
He's been a lot funnier. Today? Meh.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 05, 2016 01:03 PM (u0lmX)
She's buying me a new leash this week and if I'm lucky, Paolo might let me watch!
I'm her right hand person!
Posted by: Tim Kaine at October 05, 2016 01:03 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: Dump Trump Driver at October 05, 2016 01:03 PM (t3P/T)
A lot of times when I see a link to an article by an unfamiliar author I'll check out the author's twitter feed (like a stupid WashPost story on why eating meat is problematic, you guys!). Rarely does it take more than their personal description and ~10 tweets to ascertain their viewpoint/bias.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 01:03 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Yuimetal at October 05, 2016 01:02 PM (Pby3z)
Unfortunately there are a lot people out there with less than half a brain. And some of them vote.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 05, 2016 01:04 PM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Joe Biden at October 05, 2016 01:04 PM (NpXoL)
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - M.A.G.A. Lace Helicopter Wigs are at The Outrage Outlet! at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (hLRSq)
There was an age dynamic at play w/Biden/Ryan; Biden was like a leather chapped bear to Ryan's dismayed twink.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (SeD0w)
$10 million book contract and $10 million a year salary from the Murdochs makes her their mouthpiece.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (fgOnp)
Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (5Vm+C)
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Who knows?
*makes crazy ear circles with finger*
All I know is that Flock of Seagulls hairdo makes her look like a 10 year old male skateboarder.
Posted by: Tim Kaine at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (zu88C)
He's not a centrist at all, just talks like one.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (NOIQH)
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You know that Dawson fella.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 12:33 PM
Now you tell me ...
Posted by: Lena at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (iJHPU)
Posted by: Unsure if deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (9MlEz)
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: SH
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Possibly true. But consider this list of Gannett assets. Every one of those papers used to local, and offer independent reporting and editorial content. Not now... you will not find a Gannett publisher with a conservative bias. Go ahead, look at the list:
http://tinyurl.com/htm43wg
Exactly the same is true of McClatchy. Scroll to the bottom, and look at the list:
http://tinyurl.com/jb8pgdv
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2016 01:05 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 05, 2016 01:06 PM (AroJD)
But it does seem that the MFM has gone all in on this election. In a way, it's amazing that Trump is still near a tie considering the headwinds he's having to fight, including a good portion of the GOP itself.
Posted by: GnuBreed, powering through his deplorability at October 05, 2016 01:06 PM (gyKtp)
Ambition.
I wouldn't be surprised if she and Murdoch (or sons) worked together to force out Ailes.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 05, 2016 01:06 PM (Pby3z)
**
Miiiiissss PIGGY!!?? Is that you??
Posted by: dananjcon at October 05, 2016 01:06 PM (NpXoL)
Posted by: steevy at October 05, 2016 01:07 PM (fA75F)
Posted by: The Shover Robot at October 05, 2016 01:07 PM (Yz6Y1)
Media wants to see it as a "rant". Nope, he had the facts and was backing Pence up with them.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 01:07 PM (4T3xL)
Having seen how Teh Donald has caused her to completely come unglued, my guess is "daddy issues."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 01:02 PM (X6fMO)
"Head Cheerleader of a small school arriving at USC" Issues. Used to having all the men wrapped around her finger, then arriving there and finding out she's at best an 8 and there are men that won't fawn over her and follow her around like puppy dogs.
Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2016 01:08 PM (bMG0w)
and it is well documented in a book by Bernard Goldberg an ex CBS reporter.
http://amzn.to/2cSP9ao
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 05, 2016 01:08 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Paolo at October 05, 2016 01:08 PM (SeD0w)
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 12:33 PM
Now you tell me ...
Posted by: Lena
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Hmm. What about physical assets?
Posted by: Hope Solo at October 05, 2016 01:08 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Marcus T"
Yes. Even more than the Dems. The left has its ideas and should be allowed to present them, no matter how idiotic. If the media was doing it job to analyze inform and in a truly non-biased manner, their politicians would never have a chance and they would never win elections except in a few corners of the country. It really is the MSM that has brought us to this point and deserves to be tarred and feathered or, well, never mind.
Posted by: Ripley at October 05, 2016 01:08 PM (1BQGO)
Ambition.
I wouldn't be surprised if she and Murdoch (or sons) worked together to force out Ailes.
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First of she strikes me as a run-of-the-mill glass ceiling style feminist.
However, she'll play whatever card it takes to get ahead.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:08 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 05, 2016 01:06 PM (AroJD)
Their reply would be that if it works and Hill's elected, their credibility is not destroyed because most voters believe them.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 05, 2016 01:08 PM (u0lmX)
"Jim, they've always been hyperpartisan embarrassments. The rah-rah liberal bias has always been there. The only thing that's different this year is that the masks are coming off like they never have before."
That's what I would say if I were a talking head on that panel. And then I'd lean over and pinch Mika's ass.
Posted by: OregonMuse at October 05, 2016 01:08 PM (8V5LI)
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:09 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 05, 2016 01:09 PM (VdICR)
Fraud - as we are discussing here the MSM fraudulently call themselves honest brokers, they do this for their own financial benefit at the detriment of their customers
Malfeasance - look at the DNC hacks
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 05, 2016 01:09 PM (OHGnA)
He's not a centrist at all, just talks like one.
Posted by: Lizzy
Even putting aside his ideology, he's just an asshole. He's like a passive aggressive Vice principal or something.
Biden was a jackass as well, but there was a certain humor to it that could offset it, sort of like Trump
Had Hillary put on a black running mate, she probably would have won. Kaine was a real misfire even if he is from Virginia.
Posted by: Maritime at October 05, 2016 01:09 PM (hm8zK)
Having seen how Teh Donald has caused her to completely come unglued, my guess is "daddy issues."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 01:02 PM (X6fMO)
"Head Cheerleader of a small school arriving at USC" Issues. Used to having all the men wrapped around her finger, then arriving there and finding out she's at best an 8 and there are men that won't fawn over her and follow her around like puppy dogs.
Posted by: buzzion
Big fish, little pond to little fish, big pond.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2016 01:10 PM (Bd48Y)
Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2016 01:10 PM (5Vm+C)
https://tinyurl.com/z5wg6yd
DOJ abruptly drops charges against gun runner who threatened to expose Clinton Libya dealings.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 05, 2016 01:10 PM (4ng05)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 01:10 PM (4T3xL)
If we could destroy the media, a lot would fall into place in this country.
Posted by: Maritime at October 05, 2016 01:10 PM (hm8zK)
Hillary and Kaine both have the problem that the more they are seen, the less they are liked.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at October 05, 2016 01:11 PM (fgOnp)
Posted by: Yuimetal at October 05, 2016 01:11 PM (Pby3z)
A lot of Trump hate out there, across the board.
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2016 01:11 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:11 PM (zu88C)
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A man who will gladly shed his faith to rise in his party is the same type of man who will use a phrase "right hand person."
So basically, they found a man completely devoid of principle and willing to emasculate himself in front of the almighty Hillary.
In a way he is perfect for Hillary. Nothing more than a lap dog.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:11 PM (gmeXX)
--
Biden was an ass. It didn't help that Ryan seemed really nervous. Biden's BS dismissal of everything that Ryan said as "malarchy" was grating. But I think people tuned in and saw an elder putting a young man in his place and nodded along.
Posted by: Revenant at October 05, 2016 01:11 PM (3DSAh)
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Yup. Again, see the lists at 161
Posted by: Hope Solo at October 05, 2016 01:12 PM (9mTYi)
She's got a burning itch that only David Brock can scratch.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 05, 2016 01:12 PM (SeD0w)
I get convinced sometimes that what really drives a lot of NeverTrumpers is the anticipation of the orgasmic joy they're expecting to have after the election screaming "I TOLD YOU SO!!" rather than any principled opposition.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 01:12 PM (X6fMO)
Miiiiissss PIGGY!!?? Is that you??
Posted by: dananjcon at October 05, 2016 01:06 PM (NpXoL)
It's Trigglypuff! She has just eaten 2 pints of ice cream and she's going to have a box of cookies for snack, but in the meantime, she is posting about how Trump fat-shames women!
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 05, 2016 01:12 PM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2016 01:13 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: The Barrel at October 05, 2016 01:13 PM (iJHPU)
Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at October 05, 2016 01:13 PM (BWL+E)
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:13 PM (gmeXX)
*****
Kaine is the result of George Allen being "macaced" by the Washington Post. His wife is the daughter of the first republican governor from Virginia. The guys wiki page is a disaster of prog lies, ie he was a "good" republican and not a "conservative" defined by whoever wrote the wiki page as "racist" battling the bad democrats who are now republicans---the usual lies and bs.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:13 PM (09Ay7)
Posted by: steevy at October 05, 2016 01:14 PM (fA75F)
Posted by: USNtakim at October 05, 2016 01:14 PM (hMqvx)
A lot of Trump hate out there, across the board.
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2016 01:11 PM (JBggj)
Hotair has how many readers now? 20?
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at October 05, 2016 01:14 PM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 01:14 PM (4T3xL)
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:14 PM (09Ay7)
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Her Miley Cyrus moment is imminent. I fully expect twerking.
Possibly with a lampshade on her head at the next Godless Winter Office Party.
She could go full Couric.
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:14 PM (zu88C)
There's a lot of GroupThink in The Borg, which explains why supposedly over-educated people can believe in things like CAGW as gospel truth.
The Borg is over-represented in Hillary's Deep Blue redoubts, less so in the rest of the country.
Posted by: Ignoramus at October 05, 2016 01:15 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2016 01:15 PM (5Vm+C)
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:15 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE MARCO RUBIO at October 05, 2016 01:13 PM (XzRw1)
--I suppose you drink fire instead of water and are for strong border enforcement?Your dad probably was in the front of the room, while you were in the back, tending bar.
Posted by: Revenant at October 05, 2016 01:15 PM (3DSAh)
Posted by: Bigbys other phone at October 05, 2016 01:15 PM (PFr9D)
**Spock eyebrow**
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 01:15 PM (X6fMO)
Posted by: steevy
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This.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2016 01:15 PM (9mTYi)
*****Megyno always dresses like a slut. Oh, please, take my badassness seriously while I flash you my woo-woo.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:16 PM (09Ay7)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 05, 2016 01:16 PM (OHGnA)
Posted by: steevy at October 05, 2016 01:16 PM (fA75F)
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The only one left in that party is her "husband."
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:16 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2016 01:16 PM (5Vm+C)
A friend of Kaine's has posted here and says that despite how he looks, he is shrewd and ambitious.
It strikes me that Kaine's figured he can do his time as Hillary's lapdog because she won't live through a 4 year term. Keeping his eyes on the prize.
However, he is really creepy and off-putting. Uncle Badtouch creepy. Has a secret basement where he hides evidence of his sexual fetish creepy.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 01:17 PM (NOIQH)
Here's Politico's PRE-debate spin before the Kaine-Pence disaster
LINK: http://preview.tinyurl.com/z96tdjt
It's a wonderful read today
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2016 01:17 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: Jim Van Der HeidiHiHeidiHo at October 05, 2016 01:17 PM (vtcmf)
**Spock eyebrow**
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
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No offense to dudes named Mary Poppins.
I mean Mary Poppin guys.
"Men of Poppin"?
Im gonna go walk the dog....
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (zu88C)
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I'd say an unprincipled huckster who should be ex-communicated from the Church.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (gmeXX)
He got the nod because Hillary thought she needed a white male to close her Ginormous Man Gap. But this will backfire, because Tim is a beta male second husband type who can't wait to go antiquing.
Posted by: Ignoramus at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: Jim Van Der Hei at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (BrQrN)
Posted by: MTF at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (LISuA)
*****
When any of these aholes can tell me what the principle is, then maybe we can have the conversation. So far, it appears to be "pay attention to ME!!" I hate them more than I do progs.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (09Ay7)
Posted by: Hope's Rolo at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (vtcmf)
http://tinyurl.com/jd84sb8
Sounds hokey...
Posted by: McCool at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (H/bVO)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (4T3xL)
Posted by: Miley's Deplorables at October 05, 2016 01:19 PM (L2UGl)
Posted by: ajlfour at October 05, 2016 01:19 PM (nqLBH)
The only one left in that party is her "husband."
+++
Who, she has said, she will put in charge of the economy.
Posted by: Bigbys other phone at October 05, 2016 01:19 PM (PFr9D)
http://tinyurl.com/jd84sb8
Sounds hokey...
Posted by: McCool
Sounds very hokey.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2016 01:19 PM (Bd48Y)
Posted by: Ignoramus at October 05, 2016 01:19 PM (r1fLd)
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*?*
I don't know what you mean. I thought it was fair, and Senator Kaine came across as smart and well-qualified.
Posted by: LIV at October 05, 2016 01:19 PM (9mTYi)
https://tinyurl.com/z5wg6yd
DOJ abruptly drops charges against gun runner who threatened to expose Clinton Libya dealings.
Remember the end of that movie Lord of War?
Yuri Orlov: The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I do rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of these men are the enemies of your enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss - the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year - sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So. You call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at October 05, 2016 01:20 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: ajlfour at October 05, 2016 01:19 PM (nqLBH)
Real troll or just one of you being silly?
Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:20 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 01:20 PM (4T3xL)
Posted by: Pillsbury Doughboy at October 05, 2016 01:20 PM (iJHPU)
Posted by: JoeF. at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (TF+0P)
Sure, there is bias, I won't deny it. But these pansies keep complaining when the media repeatedly stabs them in the kidneys. But now that they are admitting to going for the throat, it seems a little uncouth.
Posted by: bskb at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (uz1TO)
She could go full Couric.
or full Elaine Benes.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (SeD0w)
http://tinyurl.com/jd84sb8
Sounds hokey...>>>
Well he did try to sell her to us before he shot her.
Posted by: Atlanta Gang banger at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (tf9Ne)
He reminds me of a yapping little chihuahua nipping at your heals... Those little suckers are mean...
Posted by: deplorable donna at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (O2RFr)
[Kaine] got the nod because...
Posted by: Ignoramus
It was an attempt to lock down Virginia as Hillary's pivot state.
FIN
Also, now picturing "Hillary's Pivot" -- bleech.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (kTF2Z)
This video gives 20 minutes of Clinton Crimes, which would go well if added to Clinton cash. Any real journalist would report like Ann Coulter does, if they had integrity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1186v=kypl1MYuKDY
Posted by: illiniwek at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (n6rAX)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fItxli7-uU0
Posted by: Independent George at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (BDZWU)
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Poor trigger discipline.
It's really bad form to have your finger on the trigger while driving. Almost as bad as texting.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2016 01:22 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 05, 2016 01:22 PM (OHGnA)
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And Tim Kaine had his personality. Weird.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:22 PM (gmeXX)
3 Card Monte dealers are shrewd and ambitious. Doesn't mean I want to share oxygen with them.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2016 01:22 PM (Bd48Y)
*****
When any of these aholes can tell me what the principle is, then maybe we can have the conversation. So far, it appears to be "pay attention to ME!!" I hate them more than I do progs.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (09Ay7)
The number of them that jump back to "But the Democrats are worse so you must always vote Republican no matter what!!" will cause the earth's rotation to slow.
Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2016 01:23 PM (bMG0w)
Posted by: Ignoramus
====
" Put Neidermeyer on it. He's a sneaky little shit just like you."
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:23 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: JoeF. at October 05, 2016 01:23 PM (TF+0P)
Two cops stabbed in Brussels and now train traffic interrupted to look for bombs.
The Brits were smart enough to pitch this globalist BS. I hope we are as well.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 05, 2016 01:23 PM (4ng05)
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Poor trigger discipline.
It's really bad form to have your finger on the trigger while driving.
AND the gun pointed at your wife!
Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2016 01:24 PM (Bd48Y)
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 05, 2016 01:25 PM (NuElX)
Posted by: Ignoramus at October 05, 2016 01:19 PM (r1fLd)
I read the comments this morning, regarding his tap-dancing on the abortion issue.
Yes, there are lots of "Catholics" who don't give a damn about killing babies, but there are also lots who are damn close to being done with the Democrat Party because they keep getting more frothingly ghoulish about killing more and more babies.
Sugar Kaine, to anyone who has been listening, drove the truck further over the cliff last night. He is so far beyond Cuomo's dancing on this topic, even far beyond Pelosi's and Kerry's from 2004.
Eventually, when enough purported Catholics finally get to enough, and leave that rotten Party, once and for all (JFK has been dead for 53 years, idiots), the Democrat Party will be in shambles.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:25 PM (TOk1P)
3 Card Monte dealers are shrewd and ambitious. Doesn't mean I want to share oxygen with them.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 05, 2016 01:22 PM (Bd48Y)
I also doubt that this friend has actually ever seen the real Kaine. Last night was probably closer to his true personality than anything they have seen.
Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2016 01:26 PM (bMG0w)
I've gone there once since their "Pile On Trump, We Are Your Betters, He Has No Right to Run for Office" move.
Posted by: m at October 05, 2016 01:26 PM (/4GEs)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 05, 2016 01:26 PM (Pby3z)
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sure, Jim.
Compared to 2008 and 2012 this year was EXCEPTIONAL for it's MSM bias.
yeah.
Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:27 PM (zu88C)
Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 01:17 PM (NOIQH)
Politicians don't have friends. They have toadies, sycophants and henchmen.
They can't experience human emotions like friendship or altruism any more than any other species of reptile.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at October 05, 2016 01:27 PM (1zARK)
Posted by: Criss Angel at October 05, 2016 01:27 PM (JO9+V)
I don't see anything particularly sexy about that dress she was wearing unless she stared the camera in the "eyes" and bent over. Besides, she cut her hair.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 05, 2016 01:27 PM (mpXpK)
http://tinyurl.com/jd84sb8
Sounds hokey...
Posted by: McCool at October 05, 2016 01:18 PM (H/bVO)
**
Sounds brilliant!
Posted by: dananjcon at October 05, 2016 01:27 PM (NpXoL)
??
Posted by: Planned Baby Parts R Us at October 05, 2016 01:27 PM (BrQrN)
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There are a lot of self-identified Catholics, but they don't go to mass. In other words, they aren't Catholic.
What makes Kaine grating is he states how Catholic he is and how much his faith means to him.
He should be ex-communicated and pronto.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (gmeXX)
At this stage, you can only vote D as a Catholic if you are butt-ass ignorant or really an unbeliever. I can't imagine that there's that much hay to be made among Catholics who are more than merely nominal.
Posted by: Unsure if deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (9MlEz)
Posted by: oddknot is pissed now at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (g1MTt)
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 05, 2016 01:21 PM (kTF2Z)
Yep. Or Hermie, the dentist elf from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (TOk1P)
You just answered that yourself...
Posted by: deplorable donna at October 05, 2016 01:29 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 05, 2016 01:29 PM (4ng05)
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 05, 2016 01:29 PM (NuElX)
The Importer / Exporter?
Posted by: garrett
***
Also an architect on the side
Posted by: Jim Van Der He
Weren't you on Dawson's Creek?
Posted by: Tim Kaine's Mom at October 05, 2016 01:29 PM (59r+t)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner
If the dick don't fit, you got to snip!
Posted by: Johnny Cockring at October 05, 2016 01:29 PM (BrQrN)
Yep. Or Hermie, the dentist elf from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.
The most annoying cartoon ever made...
Posted by: deplorable donna at October 05, 2016 01:29 PM (O2RFr)
He should be ex-communicated and pronto.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (gmeXX)
There are a long list of assholes like Kaine who need to be ex-communicated.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 01:29 PM (OE2ur)
What makes Kaine grating is he states how Catholic he is and how much his faith means to him.
He should be ex-communicated and pronto.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (gmeXX)
The likelihood of that happening is really really small. Its zero with Pope Commie the First.
Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2016 01:30 PM (bMG0w)
Quayle was not stupid. He also did a very good job on the Space Council.
Posted by: Pillsbury Doughboy at October 05, 2016 01:30 PM (iJHPU)
Posted by: Citizen of the Caliphate Kane at October 05, 2016 01:30 PM (Ndje9)
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:30 PM (09Ay7)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 05, 2016 01:30 PM (VdICR)
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 05, 2016 01:30 PM (NuElX)
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at October 05, 2016 01:31 PM (Ee2nz)
Exactly. IIRC, he was responding to the "Why Kaine?" response to his selection as VP, and this poster was saying that he was not surprised at all, that behind the bland demeanor is a really ambitious guy.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 01:31 PM (NOIQH)
I get to brag that Scott Adams agrees with me that Tim Kaine looks like PBH
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/783444264080506880
I saw that, votermom! Totally awesome.
Posted by: jakeman at October 05, 2016 01:31 PM (yKkl0)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 05, 2016 01:32 PM (kTF2Z)
many older people are dems because, that's what they were and are. Some young and sadly much of what remains of the clergy is hard socialist.Remember that much of the Church was mad for obamacare, even after Catholic organizations were attacked.
Also there's the gutting of immigration laws and hatred for the death penalty.
There's reasons why parishes are closing and the generation gap in attendance is so stark.
Posted by: Blue Hen at October 05, 2016 01:32 PM (326rv)
I am catholic (converted from a nominal undefined christian 8 years ago) It causes me much confusion and some pain the Leftisim and rot that I see. I don't understand it.
Posted by: USNtakim at October 05, 2016 01:32 PM (hMqvx)
What makes Kaine grating is he states how Catholic he is and how much his faith means to him.
He should be ex-communicated and pronto.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (gmeXX)
271 @260 BurtTC
At this stage, you can only vote D as a Catholic if you are butt-ass ignorant or really an unbeliever. I can't imagine that there's that much hay to be made among Catholics who are more than merely nominal.
Posted by: Unsure if deplorable at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (9MlEz)
There is another sub-set, who think themselves to be practicing Catholics, who have twisted their logic around so much, due to their belief in the Democrat Party as a twin tower to their Catholic identity.
They're not bright, that's for sure, but they also believe these two things are not incompatible.
Do I believe Sugar Kaine will push them over the edge? I doubt it. But he could.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:32 PM (TOk1P)
And what make Hillary grating is that she's said that she wants to force churches to revise their values to meet current trends. Mr. Uber-Catholic Kaine would have no problem helping her with this.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 01:33 PM (NOIQH)
>> immigration." Tim Kaine.
As usual he has it exactly backward.
Posted by: JEM at October 05, 2016 01:33 PM (TppKb)
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This is true. My grandparents are devout Catholics but vote Dem many times because they were simply FDR democrats.
That being said, they are voting Trump this year.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:33 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: steevy at October 05, 2016 01:34 PM (fA75F)
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 05, 2016 01:30 PM (NuElX)
I love that clip from MSNBC with them asking the womyn if they feel connect with the Beast. A resounding NO! was a beautiful thing to hear. The MFM will be sending that down the memory hole
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 01:35 PM (OE2ur)
many older people are dems because, that's what they were and are. Some young and sadly much of what remains of the clergy is hard socialist.Remember that much of the Church was mad for obamacare, even after Catholic organizations were attacked.
Also there's the gutting of immigration laws and hatred for the death penalty.
There's reasons why parishes are closing and the generation gap in attendance is so stark.
Posted by: Blue Hen at October 05, 2016 01:32 PM (326rv)
Yep. Add to that, a communist Pope, and it makes many of these people uncomfortable, but they still manage to maintain mutually contradictory beliefs.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:35 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (TOk1P)
Oh, fuck you, man.
Those teeth of yours are coming' out tonight! You thought the Bumble looked goofy...well...
Posted by: Hermie at October 05, 2016 01:35 PM (0cMkb)
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He's been quite clear on the sanctity of life.
So there is that.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:35 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (mpXpK)
It's kind of shaping up to look like Hillary picked Kaine to make herself look likable by comparison.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (4ng05)
Posted by: Criss Angel at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Jean at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (ngn8T)
*******
I thought Pence's reply to the abortion question stood out in the debate compared to the shitweasel Kaine. Pence was sincerely respectful to Kaine and gave a heartfelt genuine answer while kreepy Kaine just amped up the asshole factor.
Posted by: L, Elle at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (6IPEM)
Posted by: Tim the creepy clown Kaine at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (fgOnp)
Posted by: josephistan at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (7HtZB)
Someone thinks there is. Last week's Weekly Standard had a full-page, inside-front-cover advertisement from some Catholic-claiming Social Justice group, saying that Catholic Social Justice requires that Catholics support abortion.
Or, perhaps they're having trouble getting advertisers.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 05, 2016 01:37 PM (2lndx)
Jim Van Der Hei
Never trust a man with three last names.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
It's "Jim VandeHei". Just the one.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 05, 2016 01:37 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: buzzion at October 05, 2016 01:30 PM (bMG0w)
The Fresh Pope would more likely ex-communicate any priest/bishop who tried to deny Sugar Kaine from taking communion.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:37 PM (TOk1P)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEqU71k0zAc
Posted by: illiniwek at October 05, 2016 01:38 PM (n6rAX)
many of these people uncomfortable, but they still manage to
maintain mutually contradictory beliefs.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:35 PM (TOk1P)
Yeah. Our priest mentioned once during his homily 'we should build bridges and not walls' - right out of the D playbook. I was pissed, did not attend mass for a few weeks while I stewed.
Posted by: IC at October 05, 2016 01:38 PM (a0IVu)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hr2cooh
Al Gore to campaign for Hillary.
Yeah maybe not the magic solution they think it will be.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 05, 2016 01:38 PM (tf9Ne)
Proving that you always knew they were biased and you have been and are biased right along with them.
We know. We've known all along.
But This Year, They've Proven Themselves to Be Hyperpartisan Embarrassments
They're not being subtle enough in their biases for you, now?
Van Der Hei fancies himself a pro-leftist bias connoisseur.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 05, 2016 01:38 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: USNtakim at October 05, 2016 01:32 PM (hMqvx)
The left has infiltrated everything. Spreading destruction as it goes.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 01:38 PM (OE2ur)
Posted by: Tim Kaine at October 05, 2016 01:38 PM (BrQrN)
+++
Common in the NE. Catholic is democrat, protestant is republican. They tend towards being involved in local and state politics however
Posted by: Bigbys other phone at October 05, 2016 01:39 PM (PFr9D)
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:28 PM (gmeXX)
****
He is excommunicated. He does that himself. He is "not in communion" and if he receives while in his state of mortal sin, he has committed the ultimate sacrilege against the real body of Christ. That's on him and him alone.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:39 PM (09Ay7)
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He's been quite clear on the sanctity of life.
So there is that.
Posted by: SH at October 05, 2016 01:35 PM (gmeXX)
Clear. And thinks we should shut up about it.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:39 PM (TOk1P)
It's kind of shaping up to look like Hillary picked Kaine to make herself look likable by comparison.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (4ng05)
If so, it's a bit like Lenin having Stalin as a running mate.
Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at October 05, 2016 01:39 PM (RD7QR)
I had a lot of relatives like that, although my own parents left the Dem party after Roe v. Wade. If I had a nickel every time I heard "Democrats are the party of the working guy" growing up, I'd be rich.
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2016 01:40 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Criss Angel at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (JO9+V)
She got her hairstyle and her "Leave Hillary Alone" shtick from me!
Posted by: Chris Crocker at October 05, 2016 01:40 PM (fgOnp)
Posted by: ejo at October 05, 2016 01:40 PM (il4FI)
Posted by: USNtakim at October 05, 2016 01:40 PM (hMqvx)
Posted by: steevy at October 05, 2016 01:40 PM (fA75F)
Posted by: IC at October 05, 2016 01:41 PM (a0IVu)
The media told us what a great guy he was when he got the nod. A few people might have seen that as a lie last night & feel betrayed.
Posted by: OldDominionMom at October 05, 2016 01:41 PM (GzDYP)
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:41 PM (09Ay7)
Exactly. St. Paul was pretty clear about those who receive unworthily....
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2016 01:41 PM (OD2ni)
Think about that for a moment. The gag before that was the bullshit about a "seamless garment" and that we were supposed to look at a variety of positions.
So much for that line of shit. Now we HAVE to be in favor of it.
Posted by: Blue Hen at October 05, 2016 01:42 PM (326rv)
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:16 PM (09Ay7)
LOL
Posted by: An Observation at October 05, 2016 01:42 PM (MimoF)
Remember that Monmouth poll a couple weeks ago? They had one "issue" question. It was on Trump's supposed "birtherism". This is telling because the poll was taken the exact same time the media started making a fuss about it.
A truly independent organization would have not had the information to even think of asking the question. Trump hasn't been running on it and has never brought it up. You as a pollster have a limited number of questions to ask, birtherism never ranks in any list of voter issues, yet somehow this ONE AND ONLY issue question made the cut. And exactly at the same time the MSM started to hit the issue out of nowhere.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 05, 2016 01:43 PM (OHGnA)
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:43 PM (09Ay7)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 05, 2016 01:43 PM (mleV+)
Posted by: MTF at October 05, 2016 01:44 PM (LISuA)
Never trust a man with three last names.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
It's "Jim VandeHei". Just the one.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 05, 2016 01:37 PM (kdS6q)
Never trust the Dutch!
So yeah, either/or.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:44 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 05, 2016 01:44 PM (4ng05)
Posted by: A Blinkin at October 05, 2016 01:44 PM (2ot48)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 01:29 PM (OE2ur)
Have you took a really good look at the American Catholic Church lately? If Kaine ever did get excommunicated, there would be a stampede of boot-licking "men of God" all too willing to give him Holy Communion to show how "tolerant" and "loving" they are. Cardinal Dolan would probably invite him to preach a homily.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 01:44 PM (X6fMO)
It's kind of shaping up to look like Hillary picked Kaine to make herself look likable by comparison.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (4ng05)
And Trump picked someone who is pretty sharp. That can only help Trump.
Has this put him in a position to run for president next go round?
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at October 05, 2016 01:45 PM (Ee2nz)
****
Right, because murdering innocent people is "just." Their whole schtik is logic-free.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:45 PM (09Ay7)
BURN THE HERETIC! /guy wearing a dress and a solid-gold hat.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at October 05, 2016 01:45 PM (nd1zx)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
The bishop here bragged about supporting Biden.
Posted by: Blue Hen at October 05, 2016 01:45 PM (326rv)
If I had a nickel every time I heard "Democrats are the party of the working guy" growing up, I'd be rich.
Posted by: Benji Carver
It seems to me
I could live my life
A lot better than I think I am
I guess that's why they call me
They call me the workin' man
Posted by: Wall Street Tycoon at October 05, 2016 01:45 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:41 PM (09Ay7)
They also filled the void by allowing known gay men to become priests. This is never mentioned. It was gay priests who diddled with post-pubescent young men. Pedophilia is a different thing; but either way, it was the gays that did it.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (TF+0P)
Posted by: josephistan at October 05, 2016 01:36 PM (7HtZB)
===
Agreed. This can be traced back to during the 1960's a lot of men who were leftists and accepted into seminaries and became priests. And despite what someone else above said, I've come across quite a few younger priests who are much more traditional than the older ones. There were two who were at my church for a brief time and they both described themselves as "John Paul II" priests and wore old fashioned style cassocks. It is the older ones I'm more likely to hear the social justice crap from. A sad legacy of Cardinal Bernardin and his seamless garment approach.
Posted by: Independent George at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (BDZWU)
Posted by: A Blinkin at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (2ot48)
Posted by: A Blinkin"
A bit of a broad brush there, friend.
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: OldDominionMom at October 05, 2016 01:41 PM
*****
Last night was my first introduction to that guy as well and he was so much worse than I expected. He was just plain rude. I can't imagine he has any appeal to anyone other hyperpartisan leftists. The creepy clown vibe must turn off any normal woman.
Posted by: L, Elle at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (6IPEM)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 01:29 PM (OE2ur)
Have you took a really good look at the American Catholic Church lately? If Kaine ever did get excommunicated, there would be a stampede of boot-licking "men of God" all too willing to give him Holy Communion to show how "tolerant" and "loving" they are. Cardinal Dolan would probably invite him to preach a homily.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 01:44 PM (X6fMO)
*****
Doesn't matter. It's not up to the "giver" (administer) of communion to make it call, it's up to the person who receives it. He has excommunicated himself. He condemns his own soul. No amount of equivocation by the SJWs can change that.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:47 PM (09Ay7)
FWIW, the Pope has recently come out as transphobic. He is against the teaching of gender ID to children.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 05, 2016 01:47 PM (Pby3z)
Posted by: OldDominionMom at October 05, 2016 01:47 PM (GzDYP)
Stay safe, east coast morons.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 05, 2016 01:47 PM (wtvvX)
===
Pretty much this. Groups like Catholic Social Services routinely give money to abortion providers like planned parenthood.
Posted by: Independent George at October 05, 2016 01:48 PM (BDZWU)
Posted by: USNtakim at October 05, 2016 01:48 PM (hMqvx)
Millennial journalists seem to do the same thing on Twitter. I don't understand the compulsion the millennial generation has to post their bad behavior on the internet for everyone in the world to see.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at October 05, 2016 01:48 PM (aXetp)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 05, 2016 01:49 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 05, 2016 01:47 PM (Pby3z)
Ok, fake Brucella, please clarify. Did The Fresh Pope say he doesn't believe in identifying gender (i.e. male or female) with children, or he's opposed to suggesting children should be given a rainbow of choices on the matter?
Or are you just making this up, being a fake woman and all?
Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2016 01:49 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: MTF at October 05, 2016 01:44 PM (LISuA)
*****
Gateway pundit had a post up yesterday about a poll showing that 1 out 3 people are boycotting the NFL this year bc of the BLM pandering BS. That's a pretty impressive number if accurate
Posted by: L, Elle at October 05, 2016 01:49 PM (6IPEM)
Surveys of those who identify as Catholics show the same support for abortion and SSM as the general population.
They have somehow conned themselves into believing that Social Justice >>>> killing infants
Pope Francis just reinforces their beliefs
Always flummoxed when I go to Mass and see Obama / Hillary bumper stickers
Posted by: McCool at October 05, 2016 01:49 PM (H/bVO)
The papal nuncio, the guy who promoted bishops in the US was a long time big queer for years. It caused the USCCB to be a festering homosexual extravaganza and the seminaries followed. It was always a gay thing. I'm convinced that this same lobby is who ran out Benedict.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:49 PM (09Ay7)
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:47 PM (09Ay7)
Oh, quite true, dagny, and I didn't mean to disagree. My sneer was at the PC RCC of today and "Catholics" like Kaine who would take a formal excommunication as a badge of honor.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 01:50 PM (X6fMO)
I think the difference this year is that Hillary is just so bad they cannot be subtle. Tried and true approaches, such as fawning over the candidate's family/marriage or claiming the candidate is a fashion icon come off like something from the Onion. Hillary is an awful candidate, a worse human being, and we simply know too much about her for the typical spin to not look forced and obvious.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 01:51 PM (NOIQH)
I'm glad that somebody on the left sees their bias and is somewhat bothered by it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 01:51 PM (EnGQE)
Posted by: A Blinkin at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (2ot4
---------------
Wait, the Anglican Church takes care of the pot for you? Count me in!
Posted by: Gary Johnson at October 05, 2016 01:51 PM (kTF2Z)
I thought Obumbles was taking "the entire" month of October to raise-da-roof for Killery. Maybe Billy Jeff running down Ocare caused his planner to (unexpectedly) fill up.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 05, 2016 01:51 PM (SeD0w)
It's kinda like Secular Jews. It's part of their perceived identity, but not part of who they really are, if you see what I'm saying.
I say this as a not particularly observant Catholic who hasn't been to church in a couple of years and would have drifted elsewhere by now if it weren't for other circumstances.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at October 05, 2016 01:52 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: A Blinkin at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (2ot4
That's what I've been saying, man! It IS the job of the government to care of the pot!
Posted by: Gary Johnson at October 05, 2016 01:52 PM (7HtZB)
1960's a lot of men who were leftists and accepted into seminaries and
became priests. And despite what someone else above said, I've come
across quite a few younger priests who are much more traditional than
the older ones. There were two who were at my church for a brief time
and they both described themselves as "John Paul II" priests and wore
old fashioned style cassocks. It is the older ones I'm more likely to
hear the social justice crap from. A sad legacy of Cardinal Bernardin
and his seamless garment approach.
Posted by: Independent George at October 05, 2016 01:46 PM (BDZWU)
--My local parish preaches a non-stop drumbeat of pro-immigration tolerance, when they are not pressing for additional charity to Haiti or Africa.
Its funny, a few weeks ago the reading (which I believe is set by the church hierarchy, not the local parishes) was more in a fire-and-brimstone style, and the priests were tripping over themselves to make it sound less harsh than what it was.
Posted by: Revenant at October 05, 2016 01:52 PM (3DSAh)
Posted by: Gary Johnson at October 05, 2016 01:51 PM (kTF2Z)
Whoa, dude. Mind = blown!
Posted by: Gary Johnson at October 05, 2016 01:53 PM (7HtZB)
people are boycotting the NFL this year bc of the BLM pandering BS.
That's a pretty impressive number if accurate
I didn't intend to boycott, but this past Sunday I didn't even check in on the games of the two teams I like, which I've done the past few weekends. Just...couldn't be bothered.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 05, 2016 01:53 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 05, 2016 01:54 PM (7ZVPa)
At this point there are no barriers, that's why we need a wall instead of a bridge.
Good fences make good neighbors
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 05, 2016 01:54 PM (OHGnA)
******
There are a lot of people who "identify" as catholic who aren't anymore catholic than my dog, much less, actually. If they were to survey "mass going" Catholics------which is the actual measure of catholicism, sorta, the numbers would be vastly different. No other denomination gets screwed by this measure. People don't run around "identifying" as 7th Day Adventists or non-practicing Mormons, or Buddhists. However, random people who haven't even been confirmed or go to mass maybe near easter run around "identifying" as Catholics. They aren't. It's a scam.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:54 PM (09Ay7)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 05, 2016 01:26 PM (Pby3z)
We are ready and waiting!
Posted by: The Whee Willie Whackers! at October 05, 2016 01:54 PM (drxKF)
Posted by: A Blinkin at October 05, 2016 01:44 PM (2ot4
Yes, we all believe that. Each and every one us.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 01:54 PM (493sH)
Posted by: USNtakim at October 05, 2016 01:55 PM (hMqvx)
I'm glad that somebody on the left sees their bias and is somewhat bothered by it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 01:
This is ad hoc post-debate spin. They are already weaving a narrative. Pence may very well have his eye on running in 2020, but to say that he "knows" Trump is going to lose is pure-BS. The better he looks, the better Trump's chances are.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 05, 2016 01:55 PM (TF+0P)
He appeals to those who have embraced the hate for anyone who is not on their team.
His last act as Gov. was to close all highway rest stops out of spite for not getting the tax/budget crap he wanted. His side thought that was awesome.
Posted by: OldDominionMom at October 05, 2016 01:55 PM (GzDYP)
ThunderB would scold me, pointing out that it was critical to always come down hard on any stupid mistreatment of detainees - and she'd be mostly right. But that goes to the court martial and the very harsh sentencing. The media hysteria was an entirely separate matter.
And the photos were not posted on the 'net by the perps. The lawyer for the lead defendant leaked them, hoping to help his client (can't recall his reasoning, looks bizarre on the face of it, may have been to poison the jury pool/make the case impossible to prosecute).
And the military discovered the misconduct. And twice - twice - the US govt. teased the story to the press, which showed little interest. Yes - the US actually pushed the story to press (probably in a misguided effort to impress the Iraqis about our rectitude and fairness - something any thinking Iraqi instantly accepted anyway, as evidenced by the many times the "insurgents" demanded US participation or guarantees to deals they made with the new Iraqi govt.).
The press yawned and had no interest. Until the photos.
A pretty outstanding, educational chapter that illustrates a lot of what I've said in comments above.
The still-dumbfounding passivity and incompetence of the Bush admin. in nuking the distortion and hysteria over this - and so much else - is a separate topic.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 05, 2016 01:55 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 05, 2016 01:56 PM (7ZVPa)
So much this. So many friends of ours are the former; they readily admit the whole "Baptism/Confirmation/Marriage" thing is pretty much just a social event for them. They also loves them some SJW abortionism.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 05, 2016 01:56 PM (wtvvX)
******
There are a lot of people who "identify" as catholic who aren't anymore catholic than my dog, much less, actually. If they were to survey "mass going" Catholics------which is the actual measure of catholicism, sorta, the numbers would be vastly different. No other denomination gets screwed by this measure. People don't run around "identifying" as 7th Day Adventists or non-practicing Mormons, or Buddhists. However, random people who haven't even been confirmed or go to mass maybe near easter run around "identifying" as Catholics. They aren't. It's a scam.
Posted by: deplorable dagny
This x1000.
Posted by: USNtakim at October 05, 2016 01:56 PM (hMqvx)
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at October 05, 2016 01:57 PM (aXetp)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 01:44 PM (X6fMO)
Yes, I used to attend this beautifully traditional church in the city. Then moved to the burbs (don't ask why) and it's all peace and justice BS. I'd like to take the faggy looking pastor down to 63rd and Stony Island throw him out of the car and say preach it here, preach it here.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 01:57 PM (493sH)
admit the whole "Baptism/Confirmation/Marriage" thing is pretty much
just a social event for them.
--
More and more so too. We were invited to the baptism of the son of two friends who we have drifted away from over the years. Big gala event, akin to a wedding reception afterwards. Open bar, the whole nine.
Neither one of them attends mass regularly. Its a social/cultural event.
Posted by: Revenant at October 05, 2016 01:58 PM (3DSAh)
https://tinyurl.com/z5wg6yd
DOJ abruptly drops charges against gun runner who threatened to expose Clinton Libya dealings.
Humph.
Posted by: Ollie North at October 05, 2016 01:58 PM (SgUT6)
Posted by: USNtakim
I seem to recall: "Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word and I shall be healed."
He comes for those who doubt themselves to make them whole. The ones who are so cocksure, those modern Pharisees...they're going to have a bit more trouble.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at October 05, 2016 01:58 PM (9krrF)
As a social or ethnic group rises higher in the US economic system and social status, it tends to become "less-religious" at the retail level. It's tribal affiliation becomes it's social-class and less it's religious affiliation.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 05, 2016 01:58 PM (TF+0P)
https://tinyurl.com/z5wg6yd
DOJ abruptly drops charges against gun runner who threatened to expose Clinton Libya dealings.
Humph.
Posted by: Ollie North at October 05, 2016 01:58 PM (SgUT6)
Even Capt. Renault can't feign phony shock any more
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 01:59 PM (493sH)
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:59 PM (09Ay7)
*****Yeah, I was just saying that the other day. I also "believe" all kinds of non-doctrinal pap created in the minds of Chick-tract readers.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 02:01 PM (09Ay7)
Posted by: DaveA at October 05, 2016 02:02 PM (8J/Te)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at October 05, 2016 02:02 PM (9krrF)
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See also: Psychopathy.
It's common among the Left. Kaine tripped up because he thought he was coming across as amusingly astute. I mean, acting the clown worked for Slow Joe.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 05, 2016 02:03 PM (9mTYi)
This can be traced back to during the
1960's a lot of men who were leftists and accepted into seminaries and
became priests.
Draft-dodging? That'd be my guess.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 05, 2016 02:03 PM (LuZz8)
Posted by: josephistan at October 05, 2016 02:03 PM (7HtZB)
Neither one of them attends mass regularly. Its a social/cultural event.
Posted by: Revenant at October 05, 2016 01:58 PM (3DSAh)
Ann Barnhart calls people like that (and a great number of clergy, too) ones who don't really believe in what the Church teaches and are amazed (and slightly embarrassed) when they come across someone who does.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 02:03 PM (X6fMO)
Posted by: Brother Cavil
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Better the jello than the chili
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 05, 2016 02:04 PM (7ZVPa)
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at October 05, 2016 02:04 PM (FtrY1)
That is a Huffblo hit piece. Trump was on my Twatter feed all night, and was very gracious this morning about his good performance. They're just making shit up now. See also: One-Eye Harry Reed.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 05, 2016 02:04 PM (SeD0w)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 02:04 PM (EnGQE)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 05, 2016 02:05 PM (dcMp6)
I seem to recall: "Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word and I shall be healed."
He comes for those who doubt themselves to make them whole. The ones who are so cocksure, those modern Pharisees...they're going to have a bit more trouble.
That helps me every week but I still have a private little prayer to ask forgiveness. I'm far from perfect.
Posted by: USNtakim at October 05, 2016 02:05 PM (hMqvx)
1960's a lot of men who were leftists and accepted into seminaries and became priests.
Draft-dodging? That'd be my guess.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 05, 2016 02:03 PM (LuZz
The lefty priests who taught at my high school being a prime example and used to tell us they can't put you in the military if you're in the priesthood. I guess they thought it was a selling point. Asswipes
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2016 02:06 PM (493sH)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 02:06 PM (EnGQE)
1960's a lot of men who were leftists and accepted into seminaries and
became priests.
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Draft-dodging? That'd be my guess.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
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A lot of it, yes. Many leftists saw it as a way to infiltrate as well as avoid the draft. I'd say that explains a lot about many of the issues surrounding social justice as well as molestation.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 05, 2016 02:06 PM (7ZVPa)
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Damned straight!
That's what I was trying to tell the chick washing Christ's feet with the expensive oil.
I mean, you don't really buy that "man-does-not-live-by-bread-alone" crap do you?
Posted by: Judas Iscariot at October 05, 2016 02:07 PM (Nox3c)
That's funny. The priest at the Eastern Orthodox church I have been attending was a Chaplain in the Army before he retired and went back into the local church.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 02:08 PM (EnGQE)
Posted by: USNtakim at October 05, 2016 02:08 PM (hMqvx)
The papal nuncio, the guy who promoted bishops in the US was a long time big queer for years. It caused the USCCB to be a festering homosexual extravaganza and the seminaries followed. It was always a gay thing. I'm convinced that this same lobby is who ran out Benedict.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:49 PM (09Ay7)"
The issue with filling the seminaries with gay men, is more recent than most of the abuse that went on. If you go back through the files, look at movies like Spotlight and the original reporting, look at perps like Geoghan and Shanley, those guys were all ordained in the early 60's when there were still a ton of men entering the priesthood. Go to 70's, 80's and 90's and the massive drop off in vocations, for the seminary issues. There are certainly cases of abuse later, but the bulk of it was stuff from back in the 60's and 70's.
I was working on a engineering project in Queens and a parish, where they closed the school and were leasing it to the BoE. Met the Pastor, shook his hand, guy gave me the heebie jeebies. I talked to my colleague, and said "this guy is off" a few years later followed up on the project after I changed jobs, and found out he was removed amid allegations from the same time period, a bunch of classmates from the HS he was assigned to at the time got together and realized they had all been abused by the same guy. Dude kept a log of his conquests....
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at October 05, 2016 02:08 PM (Uy8SG)
*****Yeah, I was just saying that the other day. I also "believe" all kinds of non-doctrinal pap created in the minds of Chick-tract readers.
Posted by: deplorable dagny"
Please tell there's not a vocal Jack Chick fan club here. I stopped visiting other sites due to that.
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2016 02:09 PM (OD2ni)
I've always had trouble being a "church lady" AND not telling people to GFY. It's a real problem. I do consider that true, but just. Weird, huh?
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 02:09 PM (09Ay7)
That would be the one the neighbors says they are just "shocked" to discover has been holding prisoners in his basement.
Posted by: Miley's Deplorables at October 05, 2016 02:15 PM (L2UGl)
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 05, 2016 02:09 PM (OD2ni)
Sometimes people get into squabbles, but they are usually told to simmer down by other posters so no, I wouldn't say that there's a vocal continent of Jack Chick folks.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 02:17 PM (EnGQE)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 05, 2016 02:19 PM (4T3xL)
Posted by: USNtakim
If we were perfect, we wouldn't need Him.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, convening Horde Thunderdome at October 05, 2016 02:20 PM (9krrF)
He is excommunicated. He does that himself. He is "not in communion" and if he receives while in his state of mortal sin, he has committed the ultimate sacrilege against the real body of Christ. That's on him and him alone.
Posted by: deplorable dagny at October 05, 2016 01:39 PM (09Ay7)
Yeah, I've seen that argument from Catholics all my life.
You have to understand, it looks like utter, spineless BS to us Protestants.
There was a time when the Catholic church actually ex-communicated people who publicly, egregiously contradicted and flouted its teachings and refused correction. Now? It's all this "you ex-communicated yourself" stuff. What's a guy gotta do to actually get kicked out?
There's a reason your pews are filled with "Catholics" who think the church should bend to accommodate them, that there's nothing incompatible about being a hardcore progressive lefty and being Christian, and that the contents of scripture are at best suggestions. It's because the church has decided for decades that if these people are going to wallow in heterodoxy, hey, that's on them to work out; don't bother with correcting or disciplining that stuff.
Posted by: Hal at October 05, 2016 02:23 PM (9+Yad)
I saw Festering Homosexual Extravaganza open for The Nuns at the Mabuhay in 1979.
Posted by: JEM at October 05, 2016 02:26 PM (TppKb)
Tim Kaine? No need to say anything more.
Posted by: Miley's Deplorables at October 05, 2016 02:28 PM (L2UGl)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 02:28 PM (EnGQE)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 02:28 PM (EnGQE)
At Sugar Kaine bragging about his Catholic faith.
And, as I look at the clock, I see it's time for me to go drink. See you all tomorrow.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 05, 2016 02:30 PM (X6fMO)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 02:32 PM (EnGQE)
Roman Catholic Church should consider investigating the Eastern Orthodox
Church. The Western church and the Eastern Church started out as one,
but then in the Great Schism separated. Eastern Orthodoxy doesn't have a
Pope. They have Patriarchs but no single authority. They're very
traditional as far as beliefs about marriage-although priests can marry,
not Archbishops. I've been attending an Orthodox Church for a while
when i can. i would say that the priest believes in outreach for the
church-helping the poor, etc, which is a good thing, but I have never
heard him give a sermon that sounds like anywhere near the American left
.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 02:04 PM
Speaking as one of the Orthodox Horde, I second the recommendation. If you prefer your services in English, try an OCA church rather than, say a Russian or Greek parish.
And a minor quibble, FS, we allow married men to be ordained, but we don't allow ordained men to marry.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 05, 2016 02:41 PM (bzd8I)
Did you talk to the poor woman that gave her last two coins too?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 05, 2016 02:44 PM (mleV+)
The bees were pissed off.
Three cans of flying insect killer seems to have solved the problem.
Posted by: jwest at October 05, 2016 02:48 PM (Zs4uk)
And I have really never found anythihng in the bible that prohibits the clergy from marrying. Personally I think that is something that was established to fight the corruption that came up with the popes a long while back in the "turbulent years" of the church.
I also suspect that it had a lot to do with the coming out of Martin Luther and the protestant church.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 05, 2016 03:02 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 05, 2016 03:03 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: L, Elle at October 05, 2016 12:45 PM (L9GR7)
Pence is better than Ryan.
Posted by: Votermom watching a Spanish show at October 05, 2016 12:52 PM (Om16U)
Ryan, IMO, has a sensibility and respect for the different branches of government and their respective offices. He just would not go after Biden and point out Biden's lunatic laughing, joking, etc. because he was the sitting vice president and a member of the Senate via his oversight and tie breaking on Senate votes.
A perfect example of Republican's being enamored of government to the point that they refuse to do anything which might result in someone 'talking bad" about them or the office they hold. Which is why threats of blaming them for everything from a government shut down that the Democrats orchestrate to demanding Republicans give even more money in a non related bill to a pet cause of the Democrats, that the Democrats will take credit for(money for Flint water) work.
Ryan was a perfect example of being so , umm , mannered.
Posted by: Jen the original at October 05, 2016 03:06 PM (ntZAP)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at October 05, 2016 03:14 PM (EnGQE)
Bias I see as agreeable toward, propaganda as selling pretty much a lie, or warped picture with a pinch of reality, not necessarily truth, to get it rolling.
The media has moved from bias towards propaganda. 2 cents
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