Glenn Reynolds: If You Like the Idea of Checks and Balances and Rule of Law, You Must Vote Trump

An argument I've been making for some time, though I don't think I can take credit for it. I think I got it from somewhere else, too.

Good column making the argument well.

He quotes this piece noting that Hillary Clinton, almost immediately corrupted the State Department upon entering it.

Forget the new dump of Hillary Clinton emails. Forget the phony claims that the missing communications were all about wedding plans and yoga routines. Forget, too, the many requests from Doug Band in which the Clinton Foundation honcho hoped his quos (hefty donations to the Clinton Foundation) would translate into quids (e.g., special access to the secretary).
Forget them all. The most disturbing aspect about the FBI dump may not be fresh evidence of another Clinton lie. The most disturbing thing about Mrs. Clinton’s continuing email drama may be where she’s telling the truth.
Or at least a half-truth. Mrs. Clinton told the FBI it was “common knowledge” at State that she used private email. Agents further quote her as saying she “could not recall anyone raising concerns with her regarding the sensitivity of the information she received at her email address.”
However unseemly the cashing in of the Clinton family, whatever the trampling of the ethics accord the Clinton Foundation had signed with the White House, even apart from the walking conflicts-of-interests that were Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills, the much larger stink here is this: Mrs. Clinton was allowed to spend her four years as secretary of state off the grid.
It isn’t so much that Mrs. Clinton set up a personal server so she would not be accountable the way normal political appointees are held accountable. It’s that no one in government stopped her. The inspector general’s report notes that when two IT officers expressed their concern in 2010 that her private email system meant federal records were not being preserved, they were told “never to speak of the Secretary’s personal email system again.”

She has now corrupted the FBI into becoming her own personal Law Enforcement Division. She did that as a candidate, not as an actual president.

What can this crime boss do when she has real power, not just the Foundation's billion dollar slush fund?

Reynolds writes:

And the FBI and Department of Justice have seemed curiously uninterested in going after people for behavior that, in other circumstances, would be a surefire ticket to federal prison.
The reason, of course, is that the civil service, though supposedly professional and nonpartisan, has become a Democratic Party monoculture. Federal employees overwhelmingly vote for Democrats, donate to Democrats, and, by all appearances, cover for Democrats as a routine part of doing their job.
When Richard Nixon tried to weaponize the IRS, top officials at the Service made a stink. Under Obama, the IRS weaponized itself.
And, of course, the press is in the tank for the Democrats as usual. Bad news about Obama and Clinton has been soft-pedaled, with reporters sometimes admitting that they don’t want to help Trump.
So if the choice in 2016 is between one bad candidate and another (and it is) the question is, which one will do the least harm. And, judging by the civil service’s behavior, that’s got to be Trump. If Trump tries to target his enemies with the IRS, you can bet that he’ll get a lot of pushback — and the press, instead of explaining it away, will make a huge stink. If Trump engages in influence-peddling, or abuses secrecy laws, you can bet that, even if Trump’s appointees sit atop the DOJ or FBI, the civil service will ensure that things don’t get swept under the rug. And if Trump wants to go to war, he’ll get far more scrutiny than Hillary will get — or, in cases like her disastrous Libya invasion, has gotten.

Plus, of course, the press will be against him. Right now the press is covering up for Hillary-- the Washington Post is now campaigning to just drop this whole obstruction-of-justice piffle.

Five of the last six popular presidential votes went to Democrats. Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 but got in by a hair.

When that stat changes to "six of the last seven" and "seven of the last eight," what do you think the federal bureaucracy will do? They already are almost all liberal government-happy Democrats. Now they'll know that Republicans will barely ever win the Executive, and that the way to guarantee job security is to do... little favors for the Democrats whenever possible.

The #NeverTrumpers -- who are really Hillary supporters; they want Hillary to win, because they think then they can purge the Trumpkins and start winning elections as a party drawing the support of 25% of the country -- seem to think elections are just about intraparty jockeying, palace intrigues, and "principle."

They seem to not notice elections are actually about forming a government and staffing it with actual people, people the president chooses, and then directing (and hopefully restraining) a sprawling bureaucracy that not only can destroy you, but increasingly desires too.

But I guess the important thing is being able to write pungent, emotional opinion pieces for NR.

Posted by: Ace at 03:22 PM

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Posted by: Weasel at September 09, 2016 03:30 PM (Sfs6o)

2 If Trump so as much farts in the wrong place as POTUS, the press will excoriate him.

Posted by: IC at September 09, 2016 03:30 PM (a0IVu)

3 Yes, it's always best to put a Republican in office to ensure checks and balances.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 09, 2016 03:30 PM (NOIQH)

4 What is worse is how many members of the establishment on both sides will do anything to put her in power.

I can easily envision a scenario where it is obvious she is losing the election, then on election day, surprise, she wins in an obviously orchestrated way.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 09, 2016 03:31 PM (7ZVPa)

5 My fury at this woman really can not be expressed in words.

As Sec of State, she is our EMPLOYEE.

And yet she acted like she was our DOMINATRIX.

Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2016 03:31 PM (jBuUi)

6 The media and the democratic party always re-discover the concept of checks and balances when all the power they aggregated starts being used in ways that they don't like.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 09, 2016 03:33 PM (KUaJL)

7 As Sec of State, she is our EMPLOYEE.

And yet she acted like she was our DOMINATRIX.

Posted by: zombie

--

That was a visual I didn't need.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 09, 2016 03:33 PM (7ZVPa)

8 Harumph!!

Harumph I say!!!!

Posted by: Every NR Cover Story During a Trump Presidency at September 09, 2016 03:33 PM (/kYMn)

9 Hillary will definitely give the phrase "State Police" new import.
I will continue to say that she is a Fascist. And all Fascists rely on State Police for coercion.

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 03:33 PM (sbtm+)

10 Best Post Ever? It's right up there.

Posted by: MTF at September 09, 2016 03:33 PM (/m8T6)

11 This isn't a mere election anymore.

This is the last flailing swing of the arms to grab the last few feet of rope as Uncle Sam plummets into the the bottomless pit of totalitarianism.

Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2016 03:33 PM (jBuUi)

12 When Richard Nixon tried to weaponize the IRS, top officials at the Service made a stink. Under Obama, the IRS weaponized itself.

It's an egregious and GOPe sucking error to think it started with Oblamo.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 09, 2016 03:33 PM (V3IFq)

13 Killed another thread...

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 09, 2016 03:33 PM (SeD0w)

14 The reason, of course, is that the civil service, though supposedly
professional and nonpartisan, has become a Democratic Party monoculture.
Federal employees overwhelmingly vote for Democrats, donate to
Democrats, and, by all appearances, cover for Democrats as a routine
part of doing their job.

Let me just say.....well duh!

Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2016 03:34 PM (Enq6K)

15
And yet she acted like she was our DOMINATRIX.

Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2016 03:31 PM (jBuUi)

I really didn't need the image of Mistress Hillary in a leather bustier in my head, thankyouverymuch.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at September 09, 2016 03:34 PM (FYrz1)

16 They seem to not notice elections are actually about forming a government and staffing it with actual people, people the president chooses, and then directing (and hopefully restraining) a sprawling bureaucracy that not only can destroy you, but increasingly desires too.

It's Peggy Noonan's Protected vs. Unprotected (I think that's it) thingy.

We The Plebes live with the various agencies, those who implement them do not.

Let's take the Gold King Mine disaster. Do you think any of the people who work for the EPA and who were involved in poisoning the river will have their lives impacted in the least little way by this? Nope.

But heaven forfend you build a watering hole on your own land and don't get EPA approval and you're facing a fine in the amount of tens of thousands a day with no appeal.

You know what? Fuck it. Bring back the spoils system for civil service positions. At least that honest graft.

So want in on it. So do.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 03:34 PM (mf5HN)

17 And don't forget the Clintons immediately corrupted the WH when they entered when Bill was elected.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 09, 2016 03:35 PM (ODxAs)

18 Trump may have short fingers, but Hillary has long, spindly fingers which she tents together and growls "Excellent!" to herself.

Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2016 03:35 PM (jBuUi)

19 5 My fury at this woman really can not be expressed in words.

As Sec of State, she is our EMPLOYEE.

And yet she acted like she was our DOMINATRIX.

Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2016 03:31 PM (jBuUi)

Point of order: dominatrixes... dominatrox?... dominatrices? dammit, i took latin, I should know this.

They're usually paid by you to do those things.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 09, 2016 03:35 PM (KUaJL)

20 Did they mention the $6 Billion that went missing at the State Department when Hillary was there?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 09, 2016 03:35 PM (wrS2o)

21 Oh and another thing, Obama is too big a racist to be a great Fascist. Hillary will not have that impediment.

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 03:35 PM (sbtm+)

22 When you combine the Clintons uncanny ability to find and promote the corruptible into important jobs, the personal glorification of their leaders by Democrats and the crony capitalist/rent seeking habits of big companies you are truly talking about full-blown fascism taking root in America.

Posted by: MTF at September 09, 2016 03:36 PM (/m8T6)

23 Yes - we must form a coalition. So of course it's paramount to misrepresent NeverTrump, call them moral cowards, and self-interested.

You've done it ace - after the 1,000th time of being told I'm really a Hillary supporter and have ulterior self-centered motives you've convinced me.

Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 03:36 PM (sv0ts)

24 And the FBI and Department of Justice have seemed curiously uninterested
in going after people for behavior that, in other circumstances, would
be a surefire ticket to federal prison.

The FBI is a tool of the DOJ. And that is a tool of the fugly AG who Republicans were glad to almost unanimously vote for appointment.

As the crooked Scankles says, "what difference does it make now?"

We have no Party. The only thing is an Art V convention and kick them all out. Take the judiciary out of DC and give it entirely to the States as a start.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 09, 2016 03:36 PM (mpXpK)

25 I have a plan I believe would be effective in cleaning out that snakepit.

My only problem is, I don't think I could do it within the context of a liberalized republic.

Let's just say Iceland didn't go far enough and leave it there.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 09, 2016 03:36 PM (9krrF)

26 Trump is the only option. People in their feels don't understand this.

Posted by: nckate at September 09, 2016 03:36 PM (AHmrh)

27 There was once a Philadelphia Eagles coach, excitable perhaps, who claimed after a loss that he felt like someone had broken into his house and raped his wife and children.

Hillary Clinton is just so bad, so terribly wrong, so anti-American, I'd make a deal with the devil.

I don't want to wake up November 9th feeling like that coach.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 09, 2016 03:37 PM (ZFUt7)

28 Did they mention the $6 Billion that went missing at the State Department when Hillary was there?

Posted by: Buzzsaw

--

All of those foreign donors to the Clinton foundation had to be repaid for their generosity, why not tax dollars? It was the second, under the table, stimulus, and worked just like the first one.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 09, 2016 03:37 PM (7ZVPa)

29
Point of order: dominatrixes... dominatrox?... dominatrices? dammit, i took latin, I should know this.

They're usually paid by you to do those things.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously

Ah but we DID pay her. A nice juicy salary, which she supplemented with graft.

We just didn't realize what we were getting for our money.

And the plural is "dominatrices."

Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2016 03:38 PM (jBuUi)

30 2015: The GOP is useless.
2016: Only Trump can save us.

Somehow I'm not convinced Trump is going to reverse or even put a pause or a slow-down in the left's final stage March Through The Institutions.

Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 03:38 PM (sv0ts)

31 "Bad news about Obama and Clinton has been soft-pedaled"

You mean like on the girls' bike that Obama rides?

* shrugs shoulders and makes weird face *

Posted by: DistHillary at September 09, 2016 03:38 PM (57K5j)

32 Well, I like the idea of checks. The six-figure ones written to my bogus charity, that is.

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at September 09, 2016 03:38 PM (Tyii7)

33 none so blind as he that refuses to see- Jonah long ago put down a marker, his pride will continue to blind him

Posted by: Farmer Bob at September 09, 2016 03:38 PM (sqpGi)

34 If Hillary wins the growth of the Borg continues apace -- an unholy alliance of BigGov, MSM and Academia, which is melding. Some members of BigBiz are already a part of the this, and are increasingly aligning with the Cultural Left.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 09, 2016 03:39 PM (r1fLd)

35 Trump is the only option. People in their feels don't understand this.

Posted by: nckate

Ego is often a difficult thing to overcome.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 09, 2016 03:39 PM (V3IFq)

36 27 There was once a Philadelphia Eagles coach, excitable perhaps, who claimed after a loss that he felt like someone had broken into his house and raped his wife and children.

Hillary Clinton is just so bad, so terribly wrong, so anti-American, I'd make a deal with the devil.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 09, 2016 03:37 PM (ZFUt7)

In WWII we had to deal with Stalin to defeat the Nazis. I don't think it's asking too much to vote for Trump to defeat Hilary.

Posted by: josephistan at September 09, 2016 03:39 PM (7HtZB)

37 As Sec of State, she is our EMPLOYEE.

And yet she acted like she was our DOMINATRIX.

Posted by: zombie

--

That was a visual I didn't need.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada

Yeah. Empress reamed me last thread for saying, "Lena Dunham in Spanx", which is nothing compared to Hillary in a leather thong, leather corset, boots, riding crop......

Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 03:39 PM (gJBE5)

38 32 Well, I like the idea of checks. The six-figure ones written to my bogus charity, that is.
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!!

And I like balances -- to weigh my stash of choom!

Posted by: President Obama at September 09, 2016 03:39 PM (jBuUi)

39 Hillary Clinton is, simply, a crime boss. There is o law she feels bound by. To her, the law is simply something to be circumnavigated, and the enforcers of the law are something to be subjugated.

America would be Chicago in the 20s writ large.

Posted by: EverChump at September 09, 2016 03:39 PM (OkKDg)

40 If Hillary wins, there will be a sudden national shortage of brown shirts.

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 03:39 PM (sbtm+)

41 Trump is the only option. People in their feels don't understand this.
Posted by: nckate at September 09, 2016 03:36 PM (AHmrh)

Oh oh oh! I saw another Trump ad on the teevee! A different one!

No that doesn't mean anything but I feel duty bound to report that Trump is running ads on the teevee in a swing state.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 03:39 PM (mf5HN)

42 Help our ratings. Vote Trump!

Wait... what?

Posted by: CNonioN and MSLSD at September 09, 2016 03:40 PM (H9MG5)

43 35 Trump is the only option. People in their feels don't understand this.

Posted by: nckate

Ego is often a difficult thing to overcome.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 09, 2016 03:39 PM (V3IFq)

That's pride fucking wit you. Fuck pride.

Posted by: Marcellus Wallace at September 09, 2016 03:40 PM (7HtZB)

44 Shit. Old sock.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 09, 2016 03:40 PM (OkKDg)

45 Also, Evan McMuffin.

/ such name in any thread keeps certain trolls away.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 09, 2016 03:40 PM (ZFUt7)

46 I promised I wouldn't get mad at the #NeverTrump crowd, just not worth my time.

But they are admittedly starting to cheese me off.

Posted by: Max Power at September 09, 2016 03:40 PM (q177U)

47 If Trump is our only and last hope then we don't have a hope.

Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 03:41 PM (sv0ts)

48 The phrase "unmitigated gall" was coined specifically to describe people like Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2016 03:41 PM (jBuUi)

49 Under Obama, the IRS weaponized itself.

Hmmm ... what other large Federal Agencies could possibly "weaponize" themselves ?

*thinking*

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 09, 2016 03:41 PM (fiGNd)

50 Someone was talking about a big correction in 2024. If the Beast is elected, it's over. The correction will never come. In many ways I think it's already too late for a correction. Anyway a peaceful one.

Posted by: Soona at September 09, 2016 03:42 PM (Fmupd)

51 I'm only going to get really pissed at #Nevers if Hillary wins because the country will go to hell.

Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2016 03:42 PM (0G2eQ)

52 We are too far gone to fix any of this.

It would take a concerted long march through the institutions to even make a dent and with our immigraton policy calibrated to produce a democratic majority we are more than likely not to succeed.

It ain't looking good for turning this around.

Posted by: Kreplach at September 09, 2016 03:42 PM (aJbN9)

53 Help me Evan McMullin. You're my only hope.

Posted by: Princess #NeverTrump at September 09, 2016 03:42 PM (B4h2I)

54 The phrase "unmitigated gall" was coined specifically to describe people like Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2016 03:41 PM (jBuUi)

Bitch has no shame or pride.
Self-evident.

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 03:42 PM (sbtm+)

55 This post touches on the absolute best thing about a Trump presidency, and that is an executive branch that will be tethered by the constitution and watched by the press.
We don't have that with the "historic first" and worse, we don't have an opposition party willing to push back in any form.

Contrary to what the press and hollywood celebrities keep saying, Trump won't be authoritarian.
He won't be allowed the luxury the current pres. has, and that Hellary would certainly also have.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at September 09, 2016 03:43 PM (kKHcp)

56 But they are admittedly starting to cheese me off.

They know what's best for you.

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at September 09, 2016 03:43 PM (Tyii7)

57 50 Someone was talking about a big correction in 2024. If the Beast is elected, it's over. The correction will never come. In many ways I think it's already too late for a correction. Anyway a peaceful one.
Posted by: Soona

I will gladly promise a correction in 2024 for some fascism right now!

Posted by: Wimpy at September 09, 2016 03:43 PM (jBuUi)

58 And yet she acted like she was our DOMINATRIX.
................

No surgery for her. Too much working carving through all the fat. I'll be outside having a cig.

Posted by: Dr. Weldon Shitpanski at September 09, 2016 03:43 PM (HgMAr)

59 Yeah. Empress reamed me last thread for saying, "Lena Dunham in Spanx", which is nothing compared to Hillary in a leather thong, leather corset, boots, riding crop......
Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 03:39 PM (gJBE5)

So help me, don't make me come through the USB port to choke a bitch.

Namaste.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 03:44 PM (mf5HN)

60 Trump turned me into a newt!

Posted by: NeverTrumper at September 09, 2016 03:44 PM (Om16U)

61 We have no Party. The only thing is an Art V convention and kick them all out. Take the judiciary out of DC and give it entirely to the States as a start.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 09, 2016 03:36 PM (mpXpK)

I now you have been asked and have answered but why do you think anybody would pay one bit of attention to a new constitution? What I mean is that the corrupt assholes would ignore it and you don't have the method/ force to so incline them.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 09, 2016 03:44 PM (QPdNE)

62 This is a change election.

NeverTrump faction sees that as a bad thing.

Posted by: @votermom at September 09, 2016 03:44 PM (Om16U)

63 "They seem to not notice elections are actually about forming a government and staffing it with actual people, people the president chooses, and then directing (and hopefully restraining) a sprawling bureaucracy that not only can destroy you, but increasingly desires too."

Yeah, that's why after a while I get miffed when people talk about eliminating this Department or that, or talk about Supreme Court nominees.

Folks, big important aspects of your lives are ALREADY RULED by bureaucrats in the gazillion federal entities. Eventually you have to battle on that front too. Eventually you have start recognizing that it is, indeed, a front.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2016 03:45 PM (TOk1P)

64 51 I'm only going to get really pissed at #Nevers if Hillary wins because the country will go to hell.
Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2016 03:42 PM (0G2eQ)

I'm assuming they are either:
Naive numbfucks who assume they will be fine under Fascism, or:
Fascists who want to grow their Party.

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 03:45 PM (sbtm+)

65 Personnel is Policy.

Posted by: A McNease at September 09, 2016 03:45 PM (gJqpF)

66 Cue some stupid troll who insists Ace believes we should all vote for Hillary.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2016 03:45 PM (EnGQE)

67
Life's a bitch... so let's not elect one.

Posted by: a T-Rex trying to rub one out at September 09, 2016 03:45 PM (H9MG5)

68 For the record, The Donald was funding candidates who were against the TEA Party. He was giving to Open-Border Reid and cheap-labor dems as well as pubes.

I honestly don't see him coming to the TEA Party's defense or for that matter, the DNC stenographers who pretend to be the MSM, to even cover any further harassment by the IRS.

Posted by: RushBabe at September 09, 2016 03:45 PM (YeKKY)

69 "Contrary to what the press and hollywood celebrities keep saying, Trump won't be authoritarian. "

There's a lot Trump can do as President without the co-operation of Congress, mostly by reversing what Obama's done without Congress.

You can expect that Congress will suddenly wake up to its power of the purse, which may not be a bad thing if Trump manages it well.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 09, 2016 03:46 PM (r1fLd)

70 5 My fury at this woman really can not be expressed in words.

As Sec of State, she is our EMPLOYEE.

And yet she acted like she was our DOMINATRIX.

Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2016 03:31 PM (jBuUi)

Whoa, how'd I miss that?

*whips out phone*

Posted by: A. Weiner at September 09, 2016 03:46 PM (pERRc)

71 >>Under Obama, the IRS weaponized itself.

"Itself"?

Also, Lois Lerner: Clinton croney. Not at all surprising.

They promoted/appointed who knows how many of these corrupt people and they stuck around continuing to do damage long after the grifters tossed the WH, stole the furniture and fled to NY.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 09, 2016 03:46 PM (NOIQH)

72 How could you in all good conscience vote for such a mean-spirited man? *hork*

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at September 09, 2016 03:46 PM (Tyii7)

73 So help me, don't make me come through the USB port to choke a bitch.

Namaste.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 03:44 PM (mf5HN)

Isn't that a musical?

https://youtu.be/tqaHBfBSSuc

Posted by: @votermom at September 09, 2016 03:46 PM (Om16U)

74 And yet she acted like she was our DOMINATRIX.

Posted by: zombie

Have you ever been whipped by a drunk woman swinging an enema bag? Get ready, because it's coming.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 09, 2016 03:46 PM (8ZskC)

75 How relieved the press must be that few are able to realize this, (ie. vote for the candidate that the press will hold under the tightest scrutiny), otherwise they wouldn't know what to write.

Posted by: Yuimetal at September 09, 2016 03:47 PM (+wjl1)

76 I now you have been asked and have answered but why do you think anybody would pay one bit of attention to a new constitution? What I mean is that the corrupt assholes would ignore it and you don't have the method/ force to so incline them.

That's been my opposition all along. Without teeth, and I mean drum head courts martial with following execution when the drumsticks stop, what's to force people to follow a new one?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 03:47 PM (gJBE5)

77 68 For the record, The Donald was funding candidates who were against the TEA Party. He was giving to Open-Border Reid and cheap-labor dems as well as pubes.

I honestly don't see him coming to the TEA Party's defense or for that matter, the DNC stenographers who pretend to be the MSM, to even cover any further harassment by the IRS.
Posted by: RushBabe at September 09, 2016 03:45 PM (YeKKY)

Irrelevant, at this point. To me, but not to you I guess.

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 03:47 PM (sbtm+)

78 At least that honest graft.

So want in on it. So do.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 03:34 PM (mf5HN)

What have I been saying for years?

Posted by: George W. Plunkitt at September 09, 2016 03:47 PM (Zu3d9)

79 Trump speaking at the Values voter summit.

Live stream: http://tinyurl.com/je5nk9h

Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2016 03:48 PM (Enq6K)

80 I honestly don't see him coming to the TEA Party's defense or for that matter, the DNC stenographers who pretend to be the MSM, to even cover any further harassment by the IRS.

Posted by: RushBabe

You don't have to believe he will to vote for him.

You only have to believe that HIllary will triple down on weaponizing the Federal deep state.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 09, 2016 03:48 PM (V3IFq)

81 This is a change election.

NeverTrump faction sees that as a bad thing.

Posted by: @votermom at September 09, 2016 03:44 PM (Om16U)

I get it that some people don't care for Trump. I get it. I don't really care for Trump.

However, the nevertrump thing really hasn't a thing to do with Trump. It is about that. You, he, we are threatening the Washington Pig-trough. The more these people scurry, the more you can see their filthy snouts, wallowing in their gluttony, with fear in their eyes that you'll overturn the trough.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2016 03:48 PM (TOk1P)

82 When Richard Nixon tried to weaponize the IRS, top officials at the Service made a stink. Under Obama, the IRS weaponized itself.

I believe the principle is known as "Working Towards the Fuhrer"

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 09, 2016 03:48 PM (8ZskC)

83 "Obamacare has been terrific for this country."

"Is it perfect? No, but if we'd had just a tiny bit of cooperation, just a little bit of cooperation from the Republicans, it would be better." said Harry Reid (D), senior Senator from Nevada, at a news conference on Wednesday, September 8th, 2016.

Posted by: Moron News Service, Sewing Circle, & Timing Association at September 09, 2016 03:48 PM (JJev6)

84 Feeling at this point that Clinton better have ONE HELL of an October surprise to get her cankles over the bar come November.

Posted by: Smitteh at September 09, 2016 03:49 PM (g9d8D)

85 If Hillary does indeed have Vascular Dementia diagnosed in 2013, and only has 12-18 months to live, I can see why it would be worthless to prosecute somebody in this condition. She is really fucked up. What is worse is the people covering for her, smearing Trump who is not dying, and voting for the Left to seize power for good.

It also makes sense why the FBI is dumping everything out about her crimes for the public to be the judge about the Clintons and their crimes.

Knowing this I have to give Coney and the FBI credit. It is the media's job and duty and the citizens duty to be vigilant in educating themselves.

You would not prosecute anybody with severe Vascular Dementia. They are going to die anyways and they are not competent to stand trial.

And yes with Trump comes the benefits of strong Checks and balances and the Rule of Law. #NeverTrumpers are worse than the Totalitarians whom they pretend to fight.

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 09, 2016 03:49 PM (WT46P)

86 I'd like to see Trump, first day, eliminate public employee unions.

Posted by: Golfman at September 09, 2016 03:49 PM (FPXoh)

87 So far the FBI has enabled law breaking. The next step for the agency is actively building cases for trumped-up charges against the Uniparty's political opponents.

Look at actions of law enforcement in Wisconsin, "John Doe"
cases, for a preview.

Come to think of it, the way the FBI tormented Richard Jewell for supposedly bombing the '96 Atlanta Olympics is instructive as well. While they hounded an innocent man, who was a suspect mainly for being fat and living with his mother, the real perpetrator went on to commit more bombings. Malicious incompetence.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at September 09, 2016 03:50 PM (/f6Nd)

88 That's been my opposition all along. Without teeth, and I mean drum head courts martial with following execution when the drumsticks stop, what's to force people to follow a new one?

You got it. Not a damn thing.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 09, 2016 03:50 PM (fiGNd)

89 For the record, The Donald was funding candidates who were against the TEA Party. He was giving to Open-Border Reid and cheap-labor dems as well as pubes.

I honestly don't see him coming to the TEA Party's defense or for that matter, the DNC stenographers who pretend to be the MSM, to even cover any further harassment by the IRS.

No worries. I've totally got your back here.

Posted by: President Hillary Clinton at September 09, 2016 03:50 PM (/kYMn)

90 If Hillary does indeed have Vascular Dementia diagnosed in 2013, and only has 12-18 months to live....

I missed this story. Do you have a link?

Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2016 03:50 PM (Enq6K)

91 Isn't that a musical?

https://youtu.be/tqaHBfBSSuc
Posted by: @votermom at September 09, 2016 03:46 PM (Om16U)

Yes! Yes, it is.

I love the Monster's Inc. blooper reel because it takes a second to realize that, well, there can be no such thing.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 03:50 PM (mf5HN)

92 If this witch is elected she will not only will her serious crimes not be prosecuted, having been dismissed as minor transgressions. For her detractors, minor transgressions shall be turned into major crimes and prosecuted. She will have the IRS and every regulatory body doing anal exams of anybody that looks at her the wrong way walking down the hallway. It won't start with the rich and powerful that can fight it and would attract attention. It will start with the little people, like was done to the Tea Party.

Posted by: Ripley at September 09, 2016 03:50 PM (1BQGO)

93 84 Feeling at this point that Clinton better have ONE HELL of an October surprise to get her cankles over the bar come November.
Posted by: Smitteh

The beauty of Donald Trump is that the tabloids have been digging every last crumb of dirt on him since the 1980s. There's nothing left to dig.

Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2016 03:50 PM (jBuUi)

94 All I can think of is of all the crap Hillary has done as SOS you could double that if she's president. Her cronies will run wild and there will be no accounting of the illegal acts from them.

Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2016 03:50 PM (0G2eQ)

95 "...the much larger stink here is this: Mrs. Clinton was allowed to spend her four years as secretary of state off the grid."

There's so much stink emanating from Team Clinton, poultry farms and pigsties are looking around saying, "What the hell is that godforsaken odor?"

Reynolds is right but not right enough. I understand his point, but I think it's a little counterproductive to always diminish all the other stuff leading up to the final thing that he wants to talk about. Don't say, "Well, problems A through Y are bad, but let's really focus on Z." No, let's focus on all A through Z every time.

I'll call it the Sean Hannity Approach. Never exclude that which has been stinking all along and merely emphasize that which stinks most now. That provides an opportunity for those looking for an exit argument to ignore everything that preceded the latest in a continuing, building factual narrative of corruption. Yes, it gets redundant. That's exactly the point. Do not allow opponents the chance to bury the older stuff and just focus on "debunking" the latest. The Clintons do this all. the. time. It's delay and stonewall until they can announce, "Oh, that's old news. Everyone has moved on." That's what they want to do again. Make everything "old news".

No. Do not make everything preceding older, lesser news. Keep it fresh all the time. ALL of this is part of a perpetual and continuing package of corruption, each development a new bow adorning the same packaged shit the country has had to embrace for years.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 09, 2016 03:51 PM (1CroS)

96 Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2016 03:50 PM (jBuUi)

O, I imagine they'll come up with something even if they have to invent by paying someone off.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2016 03:51 PM (EnGQE)

97 I was off a little bit. The Philadelphia Eagles coach was Ray Rhodes.

"Rhodes gained notoriety for his no-nonsense approach and unusual ways of motivating his players. One such tactic was an analogy "comparing the feeling of a loss to someone breaking into (one's) home and sodomizing (one's) horses and kids."

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 09, 2016 03:52 PM (ZFUt7)

98 Under Obama, the IRS weaponized itself.

I agree with almost everything from both Reynolds and Ace on the subject, except the above from Reynolds. Lois Learner stonewalled the investigation and Obama's DOJ made sure she was protected from any serious consequences for her stonewalling. But, the criminality of the IRS came from the top: Obama.

Obama used the IRS to go after his political adversaries, and the House made a show of investigating, but the GOP House proved once again that it was all bark and no bite.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 09, 2016 03:52 PM (R+30W)

99 >>>You would not prosecute anybody with severe Vascular Dementia. They are going to die anyways and they are not competent to stand trial.

whahh?

Posted by: Max Power at September 09, 2016 03:52 PM (q177U)

100
Namaste.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 03:44 PM (mf5HN)

Gesundheit

Posted by: Goomba 'makin the bourbon Jerkey today' at September 09, 2016 03:53 PM (pERRc)

101 I'm surprised they haven't tried to get Trump's ex-wives to say shitty things about him..I am sure they tried.

Posted by: IC at September 09, 2016 03:53 PM (a0IVu)

102 Come to think of it, the way the FBI tormented Richard Jewell for supposedly bombing the '96 Atlanta Olympics is instructive as well.

Dude got off easy ...

Posted by: Randy Weaver at September 09, 2016 03:53 PM (fiGNd)

103 Bill and Hillary have made millions since they abdicated doing what?

Selling off government power, favors, and access.

(And then filtering the money through their TAX-FREE 'charity.'

So they shelter money from taxes (as do the donors via deductions) while maligning the '1%.')

They're stealing from the citizens and selling it to anyone with enough money.

You think that will stop as President?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 09, 2016 03:53 PM (OkKDg)

104 "I really didn't need the image of Mistress Hillary in a leather bustier in my head, thankyouverymuch."

_Spy_ magazine was far ahead of its time in the Nineties.

They ran a cover depiction of just that: Mistress Hillary about to sadomasochistically abuse a trussed-up Billy Jeff.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 09, 2016 03:54 PM (noWW6)

105 ALL of this is part of a perpetual and continuing package of corruption, each development a new bow adorning the same packaged shit the country has had to embrace for years.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 09, 2016 03:51 PM (1CroS)

That is a well-turned phrase.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at September 09, 2016 03:54 PM (kKHcp)

106 Is there a pool going yet on the position Cruz gets in the Trump Admin?

Posted by: Smitteh at September 09, 2016 03:54 PM (g9d8D)

107 How will I be able to get my children into Sidwell Friends if it is known that *gulp* I am for That Man?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Defeatism, Despair, and Dismay - The Outrage Outlet for Sports and Elections at September 09, 2016 03:54 PM (hLRSq)

108 Here's the only calculus you need:

The Democrats hate Trump.
The Media hates Trump.
Most of the Republicans hate Trump.

There is literally no way in fuck he gets away with anything outlandish as President. At least two (maybe all three) of the groups mentioned above just love Hillary to pieces. Who's going to be holding her accountable as President except a few bien pensants at National Review whom no one reads?

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at September 09, 2016 03:54 PM (Rtyzj)

109 >>>"Rhodes gained notoriety for his no-nonsense approach and unusual ways of motivating his players. One such tactic was an analogy "comparing the feeling of a loss to someone breaking into (one's) home and sodomizing (one's) horses and kids."
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 09, 2016 03:52 PM (ZFUt7)

Horses? What kind of house does he have? How do you know if your horses were sodomized?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 09, 2016 03:54 PM (ViRgs)

110 Namaste.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 03:44 PM (mf5HN)

Namaste to you too. Toots.

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 03:54 PM (sbtm+)

111 "comparing the feeling of a loss to someone breaking into (one's) home and sodomizing (one's) horses and kids."

Horses and kids. Alrighty then.

Posted by: josephistan at September 09, 2016 03:55 PM (7HtZB)

112 That's been my opposition all along. Without teeth, and I mean drum head courts martial with following execution when the drumsticks stop, what's to force people to follow a new one?

This. In the short term true reform could only be imposed at gunpoint, and it would therefore not be lasting.

What would be needed is a long term project to renew the American character. Even that will require some extraordinary measures to pull off.

So yeah, no hope in human measures here. Which is not to say no hope at all, but many folks don't want to hear the real alternatives.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 09, 2016 03:55 PM (9krrF)

113 Fantastic commentary, Ace, to an excellent well-explained article. Bravo. *stands up, high fives the air*

Posted by: bour3 at September 09, 2016 03:55 PM (g3h05)

114 106 Is there a pool going yet on the position Cruz gets in the Trump Admin?
Posted by: Smitteh at September 09, 2016 03:54 PM (g9d8D)

Based on his qualifications? Should be Attorney General. Don't think that's likely, though.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 09, 2016 03:55 PM (KUaJL)

115 Latest polls show that Trump is up to 90% support among Republicans. Which is standard. It's what McCain and Romney got.

The #NeverTrumper's are not even a negligible number. They are the same 10% who always vote for the democrat.

They are the David Brooks, the Jennifer Rubins, the Bill Kristols, and the George Wills. They always vote Dem because they are dems.

Posted by: Fuq the media at September 09, 2016 03:56 PM (3RvL8)

116 The thing is, the GOP couldn't even make a serious permanent protest/opposition party in such a context, since they can't get the Media to run with obvious Democrat/bureaucratic wrongdoing.

So, the Nevertrumpers are not only courting a Hillary victory, but an indefinite unaccountable one-party state.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at September 09, 2016 03:56 PM (WzlF7)

117 108 Here's the only calculus you need:

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at September 09, 2016 03:54 PM (Rtyzj)

I was promised there would be no math on the blog.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 09, 2016 03:56 PM (KUaJL)

118 I saw Sidwell Friends open for Socks the Cat back in '94.

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at September 09, 2016 03:56 PM (Tyii7)

119 >>>Is there a pool going yet on the position Cruz gets in the Trump Admin?
Posted by: Smitteh at September 09, 2016 03:54 PM (g9d8D)

Press Secretary

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 09, 2016 03:56 PM (ViRgs)

120 Oy.

Posted by: Guy who can only muster an 'oy' at September 09, 2016 03:56 PM (pERRc)

121 I only picture Hillary in green makeup and a pointed full wide brim black hat.

Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2016 03:57 PM (0G2eQ)

122 "comparing the feeling of a loss to someone breaking into (one's) home and sodomizing (one's) horses and kids."

Horses and kids. Alrighty then.

Party on Wayne!

Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 03:57 PM (gJBE5)

123 Some of Mrs. Wrecks relatives are visiting. They say Hillzebub will be more of the same for four more years but Trump would be global nuclear destruction.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 09, 2016 03:57 PM (Nwg0u)

124 Obama used the IRS to go after his political
adversaries, and the House made a show of investigating, but the GOP
House proved once again that it was all bark and no bite. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 09, 2016 03:52 PM (R+30W)
=====

The Beltway Bandits of the GOP were in on it to get rid of those pesky proles not respecting their betters.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 09, 2016 03:57 PM (MIKMs)

125 If You Like the Idea of Checks and Balances and Rule of Law, You Must Vote Melania's Orbs.
I've checked them and they're pretty balanced.

Posted by: wth at September 09, 2016 03:57 PM (HgMAr)

126 Horses? What kind of house does he have? How do you know if your horses were sodomized?Posted by: Banana Splits Guy

The stepladder in the middle of the corral is usually the first clue.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 09, 2016 03:57 PM (ZFUt7)

127 >>>Based on his qualifications? Should be Attorney General. Don't think that's likely, though.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 09, 2016 03:55 PM (KUaJL)<<<

Oh hell no! I haven't kissed this much ass just to be screwed out of my dream job!

Posted by: Krispy Kreme Christie at September 09, 2016 03:57 PM (H9MG5)

128 I only picture Hillary in green makeup and a pointed full wide brim black hat.

Under a house.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 03:57 PM (gJBE5)

129 114
106 Is there a pool going yet on the position Cruz gets in the Trump Admin?

Posted by: Smitteh at September 09, 2016 03:54 PM (g9d8D)

Based on his qualifications? Should be Attorney General. Don't think that's likely, though.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 09, 2016 03:55 PM (KUaJL)

My guess is AG will probably go to Krispy Kreme or Rudy Guiliani.

Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2016 03:57 PM (Enq6K)

130 I think much-if not all of that stuff with Herman Cain with Gloria Allred was cooked up to get rid of a potential threat to the Democrats.

What's to stop them from doing something like planting child porno or Trump's computers or something else? These evil people will stop at nothing to win.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2016 03:58 PM (EnGQE)

131
If Hillary does indeed have Vascular Dementia diagnosed in 2013, and only has 12-18 months to live....

She has VD?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 09, 2016 03:58 PM (IqV8l)

132 I only picture Hillary in green makeup and a pointed full wide brim black hat.

Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2016 03:57 PM (0G2eQ)
.............

Don't forget the pointy little shoes. Drudge made them famous.

Posted by: Hillary!s feet at September 09, 2016 03:58 PM (HgMAr)

133 My local newspaper is far Lefty, the editorial page nothing but shit-bag Progressives.
They sound so shrill and deranged when they attack Trump, I know they fear their worthless candidates defeat.

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 03:58 PM (sbtm+)

134 You've done it ace - after the 1,000th time of being told I'm really a Hillary supporter and have ulterior self-centered motives you've convinced me.

Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 03:36 PM (sv0ts)

That practical real world results of your stance is thus; just like Orwell wrote in WWII to be pro-Pacifist is to be objectively pro-Fascist.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Defeatism, Despair, and Dismay - The Outrage Outlet for Sports and Elections at September 09, 2016 03:58 PM (hLRSq)

135 >>I only picture Hillary in green makeup and a pointed full wide brim black hat.

I prefer the image of just her feet extending from beneath a misplaced Kansas house.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 09, 2016 03:58 PM (NOIQH)

136 I have to admit to being surprised that anyone believes in either Rule of Law, OR Checks and Balances. Government has gotten so big and so intrusive that it is impossible (I think) to believe that power is being applied by any combination of any of the branches of government.

Individual agencies now implement laws via regulation and congress is powerless to even reign it in, let alone stop it.

The billions just recently presented to Iran on behalf of all of us by Obama, was evidently done with no congressional knowledge, let alone oversight or authorization.

I suppose it's nice for some to pretend that what we've been taught is our form of government is indeed our form of government, but it's not. Not even close.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at September 09, 2016 03:58 PM (4ng05)

137 Whatever, man.

Did you hear what Hannity said last night? What a hypocrite!

Posted by: NeverTrumper at September 09, 2016 03:58 PM (DbBV5)

138 Reynolds: "So if the choice in 2016 is between one bad candidate and another (and it is) the question is..."

And this too. What the hell? Does he have to virtue signal here? If the object is to not elect Hillary! the Criminal, quit feeding the narrative that Trump is a bad candidate out of reflex. The election is binary. You either will have Trump or Hillary! You will either have a criminal or you will not. Always adding this "they're both bad" equivalence is ego-driven signaling.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 09, 2016 03:58 PM (1CroS)

139 Namaste to you too. Toots.
Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 03:54 PM (sbtm+)

How dare you!

I prefer sugartits.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 03:58 PM (mf5HN)

140 "Common core: we're gonna end it"

Yes!
*fistpump*

Posted by: Lizzy at September 09, 2016 03:58 PM (NOIQH)

141 I'm surprised they haven't tried to get Trump's ex-wives to say shitty things about him..I am sure they tried.
Posted by: IC at September 09, 2016 03:53 PM (a0IVu)

Oh they sure have, and the few "no comments" from women who've moved on are spun ominously.

Meanwhile, Hellary's husband had women coming out of the woodwork to say what he did to them, and the press (certainly at the behest of she that handled "bimbo eruptions") attacked the character of the accusers.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at September 09, 2016 03:59 PM (kKHcp)

142 I'd like to see Trump, first day, eliminate public employee unions. Posted by Golfman

* * * *
That's the sort of stuff that will animate many people to pop Trump's chad.....he could suck ballz or blow up some serious shit. Gotta admit that's where I'm at.

Posted by: Smitteh at September 09, 2016 03:59 PM (g9d8D)

143
Trump as Chief Executive of the Executive Branch:

"I hereby dissolve all Federal bureaucracies and departments, except for the Dept. of Defense. Please leave the premises within 24 hours or you will be escorted out."

I can dream, can I not?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 09, 2016 03:59 PM (9P3OG)

144 123
Some of Mrs. Wrecks relatives are visiting. They say Hillzebub will be
more of the same for four more years but Trump would be global nuclear
destruction.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 09, 2016 03:57 PM (Nwg0u)

And they base global nuclear destruction by Trump on what exactly?
Fake some diarrhea and stay in the bathroom til they leave.

Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2016 03:59 PM (Enq6K)

145 Trump on Fox and in the audience a guy in a tricorn hat.

Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2016 03:59 PM (0G2eQ)

146 but Trump would be global nuclear destruction.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi!
______

Are they saying that like it's a bad thing?

Posted by: Furious George at September 09, 2016 04:00 PM (57K5j)

147 "33 none so blind as he that refuses to see- Jonah long ago put down a marker, his pride will continue to blind him
Posted by: Farmer Bob at September 09, 2016 03:38 PM (sqpGi)"

I do think this influences a lot of the well-known #NeverTrumpers. Once you've said "No! Never! Nu-uh! Never!!!" It's kind of hard to back down from that without losing face.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at September 09, 2016 04:00 PM (Rtyzj)

148 As Sec of State, she is our EMPLOYEE.
And yet she acted like she was our DOMINATRIX.
Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2016 03:31 PM (jBuUi)

Jeethuth Chritht!

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:00 PM (Iy6JT)

149 Okay, nobody else is gonna say it, so- why the hell should Cruz have a position in a Trump Administration?

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:01 PM (sbtm+)

150 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 09, 2016 03:57 PM (Nwg0u)

Did you remind them of how much Obama gave to Iran-to assist them in getting nuclear weapons. Hillary will sell out anyone for money.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2016 04:01 PM (EnGQE)

151
Namaste??????

Im fucking sick and tired of Star Trek remakes.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 09, 2016 04:01 PM (8XRCm)

152 Some of Mrs. Wrecks relatives are visiting. They say Hillzebub will be
more of the same for four more years but Trump would be global nuclear
destruction.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 09, 2016 03:57 PM (Nwg0u)

And they base global nuclear destruction by Trump on what exactly?
Fake some diarrhea and stay in the bathroom til they leave.

FTS. Tell them to GTFO now or you'll start shooting.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 04:01 PM (gJBE5)

153 is that the civil service, though supposedly professional and nonpartisan, has become a Democratic Party monoculture

-----------

the exposure of the fiction that executive agencies are nonpartisan - or whether that is even possible under our constitutional system - is a step in the right direction I guess.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:01 PM (Y4eeE)

154 143, I can dream, can I not?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 09, 2016 03:59 PM (9P3OG)
Beautiful. Though all the EPA degenerates will crap in the hallways before they leave..poor cleaning crew.

Posted by: IC at September 09, 2016 04:01 PM (a0IVu)

155 I prefer sugartits.

Me too !!!

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 09, 2016 04:01 PM (fiGNd)

156 99 >>>You would not prosecute anybody with severe Vascular Dementia. They are going to die anyways and they are not competent to stand trial.

whahh?
Posted by: Max Power at September 09, 2016 03:52 PM (q177U

If she does have advanced vascular dementia, she will die within 12-18 months. If she does have this she would not be competant to stand trial. Period. Nobody would prosecute somebody in the late stages of this. Look up what Vasular Demetia does to a person and factor in she is in the late stages of it.

If. If. If. If is the key word.

I think there is merit to the fact that she does. But that is just me and what I have been reading today.

Search Hillary Vascular Dementia.

She is dying before our eyes. The media is protesting way too much about this and her crimes. Why? She can't remember and recall past events. 2+2=4.

Research it for yourself. Combine it with the argument in Ace's post about the checks and balances plus the Rule of Law voting for Trump.

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 09, 2016 04:02 PM (WT46P)

157 >>>They say Hillzebub will be more of the same for four more years but Trump would be global nuclear destruction.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at September 09, 2016 03:57 PM (Nwg0u)

:::shops Amazon for metal hockey mask and portable PA system:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 09, 2016 04:02 PM (ViRgs)

158 If You Like the Idea of Checks and Balances and Rule of Law, You Must Demolish the Republic and Build a New One.

Posted by: Joseph Cass at September 09, 2016 04:02 PM (+RqTX)

159 I prefer sugartits.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 03:58 PM (mf5HN)

Well, AtC, as a matter of fact, so do I.
Ducks, and runs away.

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:02 PM (sbtm+)

160
Is there a pool going yet on the position Cruz gets in the Trump Admin?
Posted by: Smitteh

Ironic Ambassador to Canada....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2016 04:02 PM (kdS6q)

161 Does he have to virtue
signal here? If the object is to not elect Hillary! the Criminal, quit
feeding the narrative that Trump is a bad candidate out of reflex.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel

* * * *

Shhhh. Don't scare him back up into the tree. Let him have his nut and he'll vote accordingly. At this point, Reynolds ain't moving anyone's meter in the wrong direction - just giving cover for the #Nevers to climb aboard.

Posted by: Smitteh at September 09, 2016 04:02 PM (g9d8D)

162 "Reynolds: "So if the choice in 2016 is between one bad candidate and another (and it is) the question is..."
"And this too. What the hell? Does he have to virtue signal here?"

Agreed that this is a cute position to take.

Trump has been running better than we could have expected from (nearly) all of the 17 candidates. This will become clear from now until November.

When elected, I think he'll be at least pretty good and may surprise to the upside. As I've said before here, expect Trump to be a Giuliani-like pragmatist with NYC bridge-and-tunnel values, which is what we need right now. And for his Mad Media Skilzz.

Now that's a positive reason to vote for Trump, not just to vote against Hillary.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 09, 2016 04:02 PM (r1fLd)

163 Okay, nobody else is gonna say it, so- why the hell should Cruz have a position in a Trump Administration?

Because as Attorney General or Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, he could do some serious damage.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 04:02 PM (gJBE5)

164 Yeah I'm not convinced that Trump is a man of law and order and will end corruption or fight for justice.'

All I know is voting for Hillary is an endorsement of corruption, evil, lawlessness, and greed.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 09, 2016 04:03 PM (39g3+)

165 Trump's speaking live. He's getting better and better at it. Check it out. Try a primary source for once.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snKt8Uic52w

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:03 PM (Iy6JT)

166 And yet she acted like she was our DOMINATRIX.

Posted by: zombie

That's not helping my nausea.

Posted by: DaveA at September 09, 2016 04:04 PM (8J/Te)

167 "Obamacare has been terrific for this country."

"Is it perfect? No, but if we'd had just a tiny bit of cooperation, just a little bit of cooperation from the Republicans, it would be better." said Harry Reid
===========================

I hear this all the time. Rank and file Democrats refuse to consider the idea ObamaCare is a disaster, just like they refuse to consider the idea that Obama screwed up foreign policy to a level not seen since the first half of the last century.

Posted by: MTF at September 09, 2016 04:04 PM (/m8T6)

168 149 Okay, nobody else is gonna say it, so- why the hell should Cruz have a position in a Trump Administration?

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:01 PM (sbtm+)

++++

He won't. And, he shouldn't. He doesn't support Trump. No law that says he has to, but you can hardly expect Trump to hire a guy who remains his adversary.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 09, 2016 04:04 PM (R+30W)

169 159 I prefer sugartits.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 03:58 PM (mf5HN)

Well, AtC, as a matter of fact, so do I.
Ducks, and runs away.
Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:02 PM (sbtm+)

I don't. They'll dissolve when you lick them.

Posted by: buzzion at September 09, 2016 04:04 PM (z/Ubi)

170 GOP wins = John Roberts
Dem wins = Ruth Bader Ginsburg

F*cked either way.

Posted by: Roy at September 09, 2016 04:04 PM (VndSC)

171 Trump as a Nuclear global spreader? How much Nuclear weapons can a few billion buy?

Asking for Iran

Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2016 04:05 PM (0G2eQ)

172 Oh, by the by, AtC, have I been forgiven for my Australian Mega Spider taunting of you, the other day? Or should I still be sleeping in my car?

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:05 PM (sbtm+)

173 I like the idea of Cruz as SCOTUS, he is young and can really be a steady bulwark for at least 20 - 30 years. But I think he is more interested in another presidential run.

Posted by: IC at September 09, 2016 04:05 PM (a0IVu)

174 "Is there a pool going yet on the position Cruz gets in the Trump Admin?"

Ambassador to Cuba!

He won't be a SCOTUS nominee, unless Trump wants to see him git Borked for shits and giggles.

AG has probably been promised to Christie Kreme.

Cruz's fate is to drift in the Senate, and occasionally filibuster.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 09, 2016 04:05 PM (r1fLd)

175 Latest thing on the news is that Trump went on Russian TV and bashed the USA. The left hates Russia now that they aren't officially communist.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 09, 2016 04:05 PM (IqV8l)

176 4
What is worse is how many members of the establishment on both sides will do anything to put her in power.

I can easily envision a scenario where it is obvious she is losing
the election, then on election day, surprise, she wins in an obviously
orchestrated way.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 09, 2016 03:31 PM (7ZVPa)

This. This is what worries me. But here's what I think may also happen: Watch the polls. If Hillary starts to tank in the polls (which may be happening now) and it looks like she can't win, watch for her to pull out for health reasons so the Dems can nominate somebody else and take another bite at the apple.I think this is a likely scenario at this point.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at September 09, 2016 04:05 PM (1zARK)

177 Did you remind them of how much Obama gave to Iran-to assist them in getting nuclear weapons. Hillary will sell out anyone for money.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2016 04:01 PM (EnGQE)
..................

LA LA LA LA LA LA LA *fingers in ears*

Posted by: Mrs. Wrecks relatives at September 09, 2016 04:05 PM (HgMAr)

178
163 Okay, nobody else is gonna say it, so- why the hell should Cruz have a position in a Trump Administration?

Because as Attorney General or Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, he could do some serious damage.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 04:02 PM (gJBE5)

---------------

I think Trump knows enough about history that he understands "et tu Brutus". Cruz will not be in his administration.

Posted by: Soona at September 09, 2016 04:06 PM (Fmupd)

179 Individual agencies now implement laws via regulation and congress is powerless to even reign it in, let alone stop it.

osted by: Mr Macca Bean at September 09, 2016 03:58 PM (4ng05)

Bullshit on this part. Congress happily unloaded their responsibility, and disingenuously throws up their hands to their constituents saying there's nothing they can do because it would be work, or because they secretly are fine with a huge executive branch, but mostly because they didn't go to DC to work.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at September 09, 2016 04:06 PM (kKHcp)

180 149 Okay, nobody else is gonna say it, so- why the hell should Cruz have a position in a Trump Administration?

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:01 PM (sbtm+)

++++

He won't. And, he shouldn't. He doesn't support Trump. No law that says he has to, but you can hardly expect Trump to hire a guy who remains his adversary.

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As a Cruz supporter, why would you want him in the Trump administration. We should be trying to get more people like Cruz in the Senate, not removing them to hold cabinet level positions that are merely underlings to Trump.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:06 PM (2ROFd)

181 Oh, by the by, AtC, have I been forgiven for my Australian Mega Spider taunting of you, the other day? Or should I still be sleeping in my car?
Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:05 PM (sbtm+)

Ponder my well known kind and generous and forgiving nature and plan accordingly.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 04:07 PM (mf5HN)

182 "They say Hillzebub will be more of the same for four more years but Trump would be global nuclear destruction."

I've been liking the opportunity to point out that Trump has started a total of zero wars, whereas Hillary was involved in starting FIVE separate wars, all of which are still going on.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and Yemen.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 09, 2016 04:07 PM (noWW6)

183 H-Rod will re-appoint Comey as Director for payback and future cover. A new private server system will appear. She, and company, will keep up the same shit. Classifieds and state secrets will be thrown about in the open, willy nilly.

Nobody with do or say shit.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 09, 2016 04:07 PM (9ym/8)

184 Cruz's fate is to drift in the Senate, and occasionally filibuster.

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You act like that is a bad thing?

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:08 PM (2ROFd)

185 Appreciate the thought provoking analysis, Ace. I believe that if he tried to go too far he would get pushback from Republicans as well.

Not only because it would be the right thing to do. But boy, wouldn't it just be so kewl to be able to label yourself a "maverick" like John McCain did, and have the press suck up to you instead of lambaste you?

Posted by: RM at September 09, 2016 04:08 PM (U3LtS)

186 Did people see the clip of the former navy Officer saying that if he had compromised National security in the way she did he would be in jail?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/jlwfvqr

i wonder of the Clinton Crime family has put out a hit on him yet?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2016 04:08 PM (EnGQE)

187 As much of a turd as Chris Christie seems to be, he actually would probably be a good attorney general until his heart gives out.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 09, 2016 04:08 PM (39g3+)

188 Ponder my well known kind and generous and forgiving nature and plan accordingly.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 04:07 PM (mf5HN)

Oh.

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:08 PM (sbtm+)

189 *will*

Auto-correct is appoint to piss me the fcuk off.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 09, 2016 04:08 PM (9ym/8)

190 OP wins = John Roberts
Dem wins = Ruth Bader Ginsburg
F*cked either way.
Posted by: Roy at September 09, 2016 04:04 PM (VndSC)

Weird, I checked his list of potential nominees and I can't see John Roberts' name on it anywhere.

http://reut.rs/1TmYnW8

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:08 PM (Iy6JT)

191 My belief is that we are already long past all of this old fashioned rule of law stuff

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at September 09, 2016 04:09 PM (iVM15)

192 I was proud of President Obama and Hillary Clinton today for holding their ground when accused of lying. The only liar out their is George W. Bush for the illegal invasion of Iraq to make daddy happy. Bush lied to the American people and the world and the sooner we put him on trial at the Hague then the sooner the world will love us again. We call on Presdent Obama to take this to the World Court to have Bush charged and arrested. That way we can show the world we hate Bush too and the terrorists will leave us alone.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at September 09, 2016 04:09 PM (NuElX)

193 We should be trying to get more people like Cruz in the Senate, not
removing them to hold cabinet level positions that are merely underlings
to Trump.
=====

This.

And that is why the establishment types are still going after any tea-party types.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 09, 2016 04:09 PM (MIKMs)

194 And yet she acted like she was our DOMINATRIX.

Mistress Hillary Is Here to Peg Your Cornhole, America!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 09, 2016 04:09 PM (OkKDg)

195 If You Like the Idea of Checks and Balances and Rule of Law, You Must Demolish the Republic and Build a New One.

Posted by: Joseph Cass at September 09, 2016 04:02 PM (+RqTX)
.............

and don't invite the west coast or New York to join.

Posted by: wth at September 09, 2016 04:09 PM (HgMAr)

196
Cruz's fate is to drift in the Senate, and occasionally filibuster.
Posted by: Ignoramus

Spend the rest of his term being even more of a diva, until he gets crushed in the next Texas Senate primary.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2016 04:10 PM (kdS6q)

197 Regarding Cruz, this is my own personal scale:

President > supreme court justice > senator > cabinet member

He obviously won't get President, if Trump wants to nominate him to justice (great - assuming he can get confirmed). Otherwise senator is more powerful than member of the cabinet, and he can have a lot of influence in Senate, particularly as more people retire.

I don't get why people find this a bad thing.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:10 PM (2ROFd)

198 I'd name Cruz to my new cabinet position, Secretary of Kicking Mitch McConnell In the Nuts.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 09, 2016 04:10 PM (OkKDg)

199 >>>Watch the polls. If Hillary starts to tank in the polls (which may be happening now) and it looks like she can't win, watch for her to pull out for health reasons so the Dems can nominate somebody else and take another bite at the apple.I think this is a likely scenario at this point.

Not going to happen. Hillary and Trump are in the same boat. A floor around 40% and a ceiling barely over 50%. Depending on weighting and whether the respondents horse was sodomized, polls are going to fluctuate all the way to November.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 09, 2016 04:10 PM (ViRgs)

200 To be fair, this has pretty much always been the case. That whole 'separation of powers' dealie suddenly starts to matter again when the guy in the Oval Office has an (R) next to his name. But it's been magnified so much this election because of how flagrant Hillary is in her disregard for the rules and regs - she's one of the anointed, and the law is only for peasants.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 09, 2016 04:10 PM (kumBu)

201 Trump acknowledges Christian genocide in the ME.

Yes!

Trump says is Hillary wanted to do something about ISIS we wouldn't even be talking about it - they'd be gone. Oh, *now* she wants to do something.

Yes!

Loving this approach!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 09, 2016 04:11 PM (NOIQH)

202 Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at September 09, 2016 04:09 PM (NuElX)
...............

Mary, your spelling has really improved lately.

Posted by: wth at September 09, 2016 04:11 PM (HgMAr)

203 Cruz is a bright combative Conservative. We would be well served to have more bright combative Conservative Senators, and Representatives.

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:11 PM (sbtm+)

204 The best we can expect on the supreme court is to not get a nominee that is openly a radical extremist freak. We're not gonna see a true judicial purist, nobody wise and restrained. Just degrees of crank. Trump is not going to appoint some lunatic from Berkeley, but Hillary will.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 09, 2016 04:11 PM (39g3+)

205 Some of Mrs. Wrecks relatives are visiting. They say Hillzebub will be more of the same for four more years but Trump would be global nuclear destruction.

As you look at them during dinner - sitting at your table, eating your food ...

... understand that they'll turn on you in a heartbeat - after a warning to your wife - and wave as you take the ride to the camps.

Enjoy !!!

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 09, 2016 04:11 PM (fiGNd)

206 What's to stop them from doing something like planting child porno or Trump's computers or something else? These evil people will stop at nothing to win.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2016 03:58 PM (EnGQE)

If that's what you think then why bother trying? Just roll over and die.

Personally, I want to make the bastards put in an effort.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Defeatism, Despair, and Dismay - The Outrage Outlet for Sports and Elections at September 09, 2016 04:11 PM (hLRSq)

207 But Ace, shouldn't I ignore Hillary and concentrate on unicorn hunting and circumcising the mosquitoes in Trump's background while conflating personal sin with political choices?

How else will everyone know that I'm sooper virtuous even if I don't understand what a conscience is? Oh, wait, I forgot that I also have to shine my crystal ball that tells me what Trump is going to do based on my sooper-virtuosity.

Posted by: dagny at September 09, 2016 04:11 PM (brElc)

208 Okay, nobody else is gonna say it, so- why the hell should Cruz have a position in a Trump Administration? Posted by: tubal

* * * * *

The never-ending fierce and furious anger against all whom slander the Orange One. Cruz went down and yet some still continue swinging the bat for one more skull crushing blow any time a finger twitches. Which in turn exposes their own insecurities. You won - welcome a significant percentage of the party on your side rather than turning them away.

Posted by: Smitteh at September 09, 2016 04:11 PM (g9d8D)

209 until he gets crushed in the next Texas Senate primary.

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Who is going to beat him in a Texas primary? This is just not going to happen, and I don't really know why Trump fans would want this to happen.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:11 PM (2ROFd)

210 Bullshit on this part. Congress happily unloaded their responsibility, and disingenuously throws up their hands to their constituents saying there's nothing they can do because it would be work, or because they secretly are fine with a huge executive branch, but mostly because they didn't go to DC to work.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at September 09, 2016 04:06 PM (kKHcp)

Unless it was all a charade (and I agree that is a likely scenario), congress attempted to exert their power over the EPA and the IRS and even flexed their puny muscles over the DOJ and the agencies rubbed their dicks all over their faces. You might be right, but the truth is that all congress has done over the last eight years is underscore their impotence.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at September 09, 2016 04:12 PM (4ng05)

211 Oh, by the by, AtC, have I been forgiven for my Australian Mega Spider taunting of you, the other day? Or should I still be sleeping in my car?
Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:05 PM (sbtm+)

Ponder my well known kind and generous and forgiving nature and plan accordingly.
Posted by: alexthechick

It's a trap!

Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 04:13 PM (gJBE5)

212 I don't get why people find this a bad thing.
Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:10 PM (2ROFd)

Me either. We need to roll back the executive overreach even in situations when it's "our guy" at the helm. Historically, the republican party has been very bad at this (Bush Jr. and Medicare part D being the most recent example). I can't think of a better way to ensure a President Trump is lawfully constrained by Congress than having people like Cruz (who really dislikes the man) in the Senate.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 09, 2016 04:13 PM (KUaJL)

213 Cruz can go fuck himself

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at September 09, 2016 04:13 PM (iVM15)

214 A reminder.

In her own words, if Congress doesn't give Hillary comprehensive immigration reform (i.e. "amnesty") she'll do it by executive order and then get it upheld with a new SCOTUS appointment. Holy separation of powers Batman!

When pressed about how continuing Obama's policies would help an already stagnant economy, Hillary said that she wanted public private partnerships in infrastructure seeded with federal dollars. Holy fascist crony capitalism Batman!

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 09, 2016 04:13 PM (r1fLd)

215 >>>79 Trump speaking at the Values voter summit.

Live stream: http://tinyurl.com/je5nk9h
Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2016 03:48 PM (Enq6K)

Thanks.

Posted by: m at September 09, 2016 04:13 PM (/4GEs)

216
Who is going to beat [Cruz] in a Texas primary?
Posted by: SH

>Perry or Bush III.

I don't really know why Trump fans would want this to happen.
Posted by: SH

>Because he's a giant tool?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2016 04:14 PM (kdS6q)

217 Ignoramus: "Cruz's fate is to drift in the Senate, and occasionally filibuster."

There's some talk Perry may run against Cruz next term. Probably just a rumor at this point, but Cruz may well have his hands full. I still think Cruz is the better ornery cuss to disrupt the Senate for the betterment of conservatism, but Perry and his closer alliance to the GOPe would make the former guv formidable.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 09, 2016 04:14 PM (1CroS)

218 Some of Mrs. Wrecks relatives are visiting. They say Hillzebub will be more of the same for four more years but Trump would be global nuclear destruction.

As you look at them during dinner - sitting at your table, eating your food ...

If that isn't an endorsement for feeding ground glass.....

Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 04:14 PM (gJBE5)

219 Cruz was an asshole at the RNC convention. His obscurity is bought and paid for. Screw him.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 09, 2016 04:14 PM (8ZskC)

220 And yet she acted like she was our DOMINATRIX.
Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2016 03:31 PM (jBuUi)

Our sweet kind Empress wished me poisonous spiders nesting in my face for painting a word picture of Hillary in yoga pants, doing yoga and what that would entail.

If you keep it up she'll like you in the same way.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Defeatism, Despair, and Dismay - The Outrage Outlet for Sports and Elections at September 09, 2016 04:14 PM (hLRSq)

221 "If that's what you think then why bother trying? Just roll over and die. "

You can't put it past them. "Conservatives" and "Christians" are bigger enemies than Communists or Chinese or ISIS.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 09, 2016 04:14 PM (9ym/8)

222 Cruz can go fuck himself

--------------

Seems shortsighted, but whatever makes you happy.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:15 PM (2ROFd)

223 But here's what I think may also happen: Watch the polls. If Hillary starts to tank in the polls (which may be happening now) and it looks like she can't win, watch for her to pull out for health reasons so the Dems can nominate somebody else.
==========================

That's not how this works. ClintonWorld replaced? That's not how this works at all.

Posted by: Vince Foster at September 09, 2016 04:15 PM (/m8T6)

224 Found this video a few months ago - it's gold from front to back. Skip to anywhere in the vid and watch a few minutes.

http://bit.ly/2bYnj7z

I never liked Chris Hitchens, because he was such a leftist figurehead when I came to intellectual sentience. I didn't know what I was talking about. This video illustrates how badly we could use a Hitch right now.

It's time to take off the red and blue jerseys. I won't defend the Bushes anymore - and a hard stance like that is required if we are to get sensible, good-hearted democrats to leave their trenches and join us. Bilateral political disarmament. There's only one candidate who can make that happen.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:15 PM (Iy6JT)

225 ... understand that they'll turn on you in a
heartbeat - after a warning to your wife - and wave as you take the ride
to the camps.

Enjoy !!!

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 09, 2016 04:11 PM (fiGNd)

****
It's like feeding wild hyenas.

Posted by: dagny at September 09, 2016 04:16 PM (brElc)

226 "I don't get why people find this a bad thing.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:10 PM (2ROFd) "

I dunno - it seems like the other Senators just try to ignore him/openly deride him because he actually wants to, yknow, be a conservative legislator, and the rest of them just want to enjoy their sinecures. At least in a Cabinet post he's the boss of something. SCOTUS Justice would be fantastic, but I don't see him getting confirmed. And there's no guarantee he'd want the job - though I can't imagine many people turning that position down.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 09, 2016 04:16 PM (kumBu)

227 I think the best arguments for a Republican president is that not only will suddenly congress and the press will decide the executive department has constitutional limits, but that the economy is not all rainbow farts and skittles.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 09, 2016 04:16 PM (39g3+)

228 I prefer sugartits.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 03:58 PM (mf5HN)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ4xwmZ6zi4

Posted by: George W. Plunkitt at September 09, 2016 04:16 PM (Zu3d9)

229 Who is going to beat [Cruz] in a Texas primary?
Posted by: SH

>Perry or Bush III.

I don't really know why Trump fans would want this to happen.
Posted by: SH

>Because he's a giant tool?

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Neither of those two will run against Cruz, and frankly both would be crushed. But whatever gets you through the day.

I have no clue why you people would want to get rid of one of the two most conservatives in the Senate. Except to think that you really aren't all that conservative.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:16 PM (2ROFd)

230 "Ponder my well known kind and generous and forgiving nature and plan accordingly. "

If you've got an old tractor tire..........find it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 09, 2016 04:16 PM (9ym/8)

231 Ted Cruz is fine. Great. But he needs to stay at least three states distance from Glenn Beck. The crazy gets all over him.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 09, 2016 04:17 PM (ZFUt7)

232

Sen. Charles E. Schumer is making no secret that he’s preparing to do what’s necessary to make sure the Supreme Court tilts to the left next year.”My number one goal, should I become majority leader with your help, is to get a progressive Supreme Court,” the New York Democrat told a policy conference hosted by Rev. Al Sharpton’s National Action Network Wednesday morning.”A progressive majority on the Supreme Court is an imperative, and if I become majority leader, I will make it happen,” Schumer said. “I will make it happen.”

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 09, 2016 04:17 PM (IqV8l)

233 As you look at them during dinner - sitting at your table, eating your food ...
................

ask them: "You like those Hot Pockets?"

Posted by: wth at September 09, 2016 04:17 PM (HgMAr)

234 61 I now you have been asked and have answered but why
do you think anybody would pay one bit of attention to a new
constitution? What I mean is that the corrupt assholes would ignore it
and you don't have the method/ force to so incline them.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 09, 2016 03:44 PM (QPdNE)

The first thing is that the people in charge of making sure the government follows the constitution are in with the government itself, and incredibly they gave themselves that power. That is why the judiciary must come out of Washington and go to the States.

The second thing is to give the constitution some teeth to insure it is followed as WORDED. Make it damn easy for the people to pull people from Washington.

And most of all; make paying federal taxes a condition for voting.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 09, 2016 04:17 PM (mpXpK)

235 Cruz could have been the man of the hour, made his speech into the highlight of the convention, unified the party in a single moment, and secured a spot for himself on the supreme court if he had put aside his pride and endorsed Trump.

He faltered.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:17 PM (Iy6JT)

236

This cunt Max Boot, big time war guy, stud, massive huge manly man, has short hair and all, is for Hillary.

I'm sold.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz The Main Dude My Man Esq at September 09, 2016 04:17 PM (b1pRZ)

237 I'd name Cruz to my new cabinet position, Secretary of Kicking Mitch McConnell In the Nuts.

You do know that 500 years after Mitch McConnell is dead, the Department of Kicking Mitch McConnell In The Nuts will have 15,000 employers, its own paramilitary wing, and 250,000 pages of regulations that have nothing to do with Mitch McConnell's nuts, right?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 09, 2016 04:17 PM (8ZskC)

238 I find it comforting watching Trump on the Values Voter Summit. He's reduced the grating parts.

Posted by: m at September 09, 2016 04:17 PM (/4GEs)

239 217 Ignoramus: "Cruz's fate is to drift in the Senate, and occasionally filibuster."

There's some talk Perry may run against Cruz next term. Probably just a rumor at this point, but Cruz may well have his hands full. I still think Cruz is the better ornery cuss to disrupt the Senate for the betterment of conservatism, but Perry and his closer alliance to the GOPe would make the former guv formidable.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 09, 2016 04:14 PM (1CroS)

++++

There's some polling that shows that Perry on top in that matchup. Perry put out a statement where he said something like he had no plans to run at this time. I don't think Perry is really interested, but he left the door open to change his mind if he wants to.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 09, 2016 04:17 PM (R+30W)

240 The checks and balances argument is the best one I've heard yet for voting for either Hillary or The Donald. But it's not good enough.

And before anyone starts slamming me for wanting to elect Hillary, let me note I live in Illinois. It doesn't matter who I vote for, Hillary will carry the state. So I'm going to vote for the only one running who believes in smaller government, Gary Johnson. He had me at zero-based budgeting, implementing the Fair Tax, and reforming social security.

Oh, and I don't believe Trump will pick judges from that list he waved around. He'll pick judges like the ones that voted in favor of Kelo. You know, justices like Stevens, Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg & Breyer.

Who knows, maybe if enough people vote for him, and Trump loses, then maybe the Republicans will reach out and try to pick up the small government types? And if not, then maybe the Republicans go into the trash heap of history. Which at this point doesn't seem like such a bad thing.

Honestly Ace, your argument might convince me if I were living in a battleground state. But my vote won't change the course of this election, so I have to try going for the longer-term play.

Posted by: Noizy at September 09, 2016 04:17 PM (IqiCz)

241 Cruz was an asshole at the RNC convention. His obscurity is bought and paid for. Screw him.
=====

He appeared and spoke positively. Where were the others? Oh, I know, washing their hair and hands to keep fresh for the uniparty.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 09, 2016 04:18 PM (MIKMs)

242 Cruz can go fuck himself

Why is that man wasting his talent in politics ?

Posted by: Ron Jeremy at September 09, 2016 04:18 PM (fiGNd)

243 Is there a pool going yet on the position Cruz gets in the Trump Admin?"

Lead attorney for special prosecutor Rudy Gulliani.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Defeatism, Despair, and Dismay - The Outrage Outlet for Sports and Elections at September 09, 2016 04:18 PM (hLRSq)

244 213 Cruz can go fuck himself
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at September 09, 2016 04:13 PM (iVM15)
I completely agree. And I hope he finds it very uncomfortable.

Posted by: dagny at September 09, 2016 04:18 PM (brElc)

245 I love how Trump supporters open their arms to former Cruz supporters and welcome them in with a positive message. It's brilliant.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at September 09, 2016 04:19 PM (UGLi1)

246

yes, saw this earlier today too

good piece

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 09, 2016 04:19 PM (qCMvj)

247 Cruz is a dick... lost all respect for him. Can't swallow his pride for the good of the country. Pouting butthurt C*ck sucker ....

Posted by: E.T. at September 09, 2016 04:19 PM (c+7Ko)

248 They also transform political appointees (who can be turfed) to lifetime bureaucrat status (burrowing I think it's called) so that the civil service will be extra defiled after Obama, even if Trump wins, maybe especially if Trump wins.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 09, 2016 04:19 PM (2ktpL)

249 231 Ted Cruz is fine. Great. But he needs to stay at least three states distance from Glenn Beck. The crazy gets all over him.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 09, 2016 04:17 PM (ZFUt7)

Word. That batshit Beck Krazy rubs off. I mean, whoever counselled Cruz to hobnob with that goofy fuck, should be throat punched.

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:20 PM (sbtm+)

250 Ponder my well known kind and generous and forgiving nature and plan accordingly.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 04:07 PM (mf5HN)

Oh.

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:08 PM (sbtm+)

*pssst!* I think she likes you...

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Defeatism, Despair, and Dismay - The Outrage Outlet for Sports and Elections at September 09, 2016 04:20 PM (hLRSq)

251 Cruz was the runner up. He was given a speaking slot. He used it to, what he thought, was his advantage---it wasn't. His entire background is overshadowed by his smirky failure to endorse. If you're not with us in defeating Hillary, then you're a waste of space or worse.

Posted by: dagny at September 09, 2016 04:20 PM (brElc)

252 That practical real world results of your stance is
thus; just like Orwell wrote in WWII to be pro-Pacifist is to be
objectively pro-Fascist.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Defeatism, Despair, and Dismay - The Outrage
Outlet for Sports and Elections at September 09, 2016 03:58 PM (hLRSq)

======================
I think Trump will do more long term damage than Hillary.Reasonable people can disagree.I remember a time when Ace and the moron horde were pretty keen on Burn It Down and screw the GOP...but now complete and utter loyalty to the GOP is mandatory and anything else is indistinguishable from being a progressive.

Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 04:20 PM (sv0ts)

253 "Ignoramus: "Cruz's fate is to drift in the Senate, and occasionally filibuster."

I didn't write this to knock Cruz, but instead to make an observation. Especially after the Indiana primary, Cruz burned a lot of bridges by acting as the catspaw of the Romney/Bush anti-Trumpsters.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 09, 2016 04:20 PM (r1fLd)

254 Seems shortsighted, but whatever makes you happy.

+(++

I'm looking ahead. He'll come across as speaking gibberish by 2020.

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at September 09, 2016 04:20 PM (iVM15)

255 Checks and balances, rule of law, the bill of rights, pretty soon we'll be talking real money.

Posted by: Javems at September 09, 2016 04:20 PM (yOqwj)

256 The second thing is to give the constitution some teeth to insure it is followed as WORDED. Make it damn easy for the people to pull people from Washington.

Then you can't allow those writing a new one to be employed in DC. They won't voluntarily give up power.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 04:20 PM (gJBE5)

257 It's HotAir, so I can only sport wood for four hours or they'll take away my internet access:

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/09/09/wow-gop-
leads-senate-races-four-key-battleground-states/

The GOP has been working to maximize secure seats at the expense of broadening exposure. If Trump wins a narrower margin in traditional hard GOP districts but takes - 51-49 - districts the party hasn't done a damn thing in, it will be the worst possible outcome for the GOPe.

So that's what I'm hoping for.

Posted by: JEM at September 09, 2016 04:20 PM (TppKb)

258 "Cruz was an asshole at the RNC convention."

Yes, yes, he was.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 09, 2016 04:20 PM (9ym/8)

259 I can't believe we're now discussing Cruz again . Oh wait; yes, I can. Sigh

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2016 04:21 PM (EnGQE)

260
Who is going to beat him in a Texas primary?
This is just not going to happen, and I don't really know why Trump fans
would want this to happen.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:11 PM (2ROFd)
Because Trumpism is totally not about a cult of personality, that's why!

Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 04:21 PM (gXKl3)

261 I love how Trump supporters open their arms to former Cruz supporters and welcome them in with a positive message. It's brilliant.

---------

Cruz has basically done nothing to stop Trump. Not enough, he will never be foregiven. The most conservative senator we have - he must be taken down. To what end? What purpose does that serve?

It doesn't really matter. Cruz will cruise (pardon the pun) to his reelection (should he want it).

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:21 PM (2ROFd)

262 I think Trump will do more long term damage than Hillary.

Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 04:20 PM (sv0ts)

President Hillary thanks you for your support.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 09, 2016 04:21 PM (8ZskC)

263 252
That practical real world results of your stance is

thus; just like Orwell wrote in WWII to be pro-Pacifist is to be

objectively pro-Fascist.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Defeatism, Despair, and Dismay - The Outrage

Outlet for Sports and Elections at September 09, 2016 03:58 PM (hLRSq)

I think Trump will do more long term damage than Hillary.Reasonable
people can disagree.I remember a time when Ace and the moron horde were
pretty keen on Burn It Down and screw the GOP...but now complete and
utter loyalty to the GOP is mandatory and anything else is
indistinguishable from being a progressive.

Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 04:22 PM (sv0ts)

264 245 I love how Trump supporters open their arms to former Cruz supporters and welcome them in with a positive message. It's brilliant.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at September 09, 2016 04:19 PM (UGLi1)

****The non-intellectual (very non-intellectual) nevertrumps are entirely composed of butthurt Cruzbots.

Posted by: dagny at September 09, 2016 04:22 PM (brElc)

265 It seems like there are new trolls today, or are they just variations of Begonia and Jack?

Posted by: IC at September 09, 2016 04:22 PM (a0IVu)

266 Cruz was fine at the convention. Sure he might have forgiven Trump for being a world-class douchebag but he chose differently. Totally understandable. More power to him.

Having said that I bet he votes Trump on election day. Principled men and women will vote Trump, and I'd be surprised if he doesn't. So, please, give the Cruz hate a rest.

Posted by: MTF at September 09, 2016 04:22 PM (/m8T6)

267 Hey, there's no reason Cruz or any other holdout can't come forward - now, and start supporting Trump.

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:22 PM (sbtm+)

268 So I'm going to vote for the only one running who believes in smaller government, Gary Johnson.

Aleppo thanks you!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 09, 2016 04:22 PM (OkKDg)

269 I think Trump will do more long term damage than Hillary.Reasonable people can disagree.I remember a time when Ace and the moron horde were pretty keen on Burn It Down and screw the GOP...but now complete and utter loyalty to the GOP is mandatory

What are you smoking? Trump IS the burn the GOPe down candidate. That's why the horde is backing Trump.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 04:23 PM (gJBE5)

270 If Cruz wants to go any further in his political career, he needs to wash the Beck-stink off of himself.

Posted by: Soona at September 09, 2016 04:23 PM (Fmupd)

271 "Cruz was an asshole at the RNC convention. His obscurity is bought and paid for. Screw him.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 09, 2016 04:14 PM (8ZskC) "

Was he supposed to be panting and jumping through hoops for the guy who implied that his father helped conspire to kill JFK?

Look, Trump won. Cruz is a good, strong conservative, which is a dying breed among active politicians. This whole Rome vs. Carthage "sow the fields of Cruz's career with salt so he will never again be relevant" shtick just seems counterproductive.

It would be like the Dodgers win the NL West, and the Giants call them up and say "You know what? You guys won. You're better than us. How'd you like to have Madison Bumgarner, on the house? I think he can really help you guys out."

And the Dodgers say no, fuck that guy, we'll call up one of our own guys from Triple-A instead.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 09, 2016 04:23 PM (kumBu)

272 I know this is sort of OT, but since Ace saw fit to mention it, I will see fit to correct it. In the 2000 election Bush did win the popular vote. It was close, but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. And you can bet your ass that had the reverse occurred, the Commiecrats would have been screaming WE WON from now until the cows come home.

What most people do not know is that following that election, the state of Florida had every media outlet known to man, plus every civil rights group, public and private, descend upon it like a plague of locusts. And they went over those ballots with a fine tooth comb. After this was done, you heard...nothing.

Why? Because what they discovered was that when you counted the LEGAL ballots, those with no "hanging chads" or otherwise corrupted, Bush won by a few hundred votes. Now, if you counted the legal ballots, plus the ILLEGAL ones, ones where some idiot punched multiple holes in them, or what have you, then Gore won by a few hundred votes.

But there's the rub, they were ILLEGAL ballots, they DID NOT COUNT, so said the Florida Secretary of State, and the Supreme Court agreed with her, by an 8 to 1 vote (something else you don't hear much about, surprise, surprise). And that is why Bush DID win the popular vote in 2000, albeit by a Charlie Hotel.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at September 09, 2016 04:23 PM (2pIEi)

273
Neither of those two will run against Cruz, and frankly both would be crushed.
Posted by: SH

Poll Suggests Rick Perry Could Beat Ted Cruz in 2018

http://tinyurl.com/hoqmxpp

Bush III was not polled.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2016 04:23 PM (kdS6q)

274 262
I think Trump will do more long term damage than Hillary.

Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 04:20 PM (sv0ts)

President Hillary thanks you for your support.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 09, 2016 04:21 PM (8ZskC)

Wow. I'm so convinced.Using your own logic I'm also a Trump supporter because I'm not voting for Hillary.
And remember, no more bitching about the GOP. Or else you're a Hillary supporter.

Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 04:24 PM (sv0ts)

275 On the bright side, if Trump wins the press can go back to trying to win Pulitzers through investigative journalism instead of covering sh!t up. They only seem eager to uncover corruption during Republican administrations. That's why Woodward and Bernstein were so eager on Watergate. They wouldn't have given two fks if it was the democrats and even if they did, the WAPO brass would never have let it happen. Scumbags, one and all.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 09, 2016 04:24 PM (2ktpL)

276 Lidsmoke in the White House!

Posted by: Gary Johnson at September 09, 2016 04:24 PM (HgMAr)

277
If Hillary starts to tank in the polls (which may be happening now) and it looks like she can't win, watch for her to pull out for health reasons so the Dems can nominate somebody else.

How would that work? Its too late to get on the ballots,wouldn't Kaine automatically be the donks new candidate and he would then pick his new VP?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 09, 2016 04:24 PM (lKyWE)

278 >> o I'm going to vote for the only one running who
>> believes in smaller government, Gary Johnson.

The kind of small government that believes bakeries have to make same-sex-marriage cakes, the kind of small government that imposes carbon taxes?

Fuck Johnson with a barbed, uh, Johnson of Satan.

Posted by: JEM at September 09, 2016 04:24 PM (TppKb)

279 I love how Trump supporters open their arms to former Cruz supporters and welcome them in with a positive message. It's brilliant.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at September 09, 2016 04:19 PM (UGLi1)

I've been preaching unity and open arms since November. I've been spat at, denounced, dismissed, called a paid shill, banned repeatedly, and on good days ignored.

I've never talked about tone or values or principles. I'm talking about beating global socialism, for once, in November.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:24 PM (Iy6JT)

280 But I guess the important thing is being able to write pungent, emotional opinion pieces for NR.

and then be attacked because they can't handle the truth

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 09, 2016 04:24 PM (qCMvj)

281 Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 09, 2016 04:23 PM (kumBu)
===================

If the Dodgers make that call I hope they call Chris Antonetti first.

Posted by: MTF at September 09, 2016 04:25 PM (/m8T6)

282 So I'm going to vote for the only one running who believes in smaller government, Gary Johnson.

Aleppo thanks you!

I call your Leppo and raise you two Capulcos.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 09, 2016 04:25 PM (8ZskC)

283 Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 04:22 PM (sv0ts)

Who's loyal to the GOP? I'm not even a member of the GOP. I think Hillary is a serial liar, money launderer, who left people to die in Banghazi and who has and will sell US interests out to the highest bidder. At this point, I think it's very likely the Clinton Crime Family has bumped people off.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2016 04:25 PM (EnGQE)

284 I am going to speak out of school for a moment and note that I am peeved at Bander because he lives in a state where his vote doesn't matter and thus he can decide to cast his vote based on important matters, such as Jill Stein's tits, and I live in a battleground state and thus have to take my vote seriously.

So. Peeved.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 04:25 PM (mf5HN)

285 The only positive message we trump supporters have is hillary must not win. I don't have time to coddle the feels of everyone else.

Posted by: nckate at September 09, 2016 04:25 PM (AHmrh)

286
In the 2000 election Bush did win the popular vote.
Posted by: The Oort Cloud

????

wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2016 04:25 PM (kdS6q)

287 some time ago (pre-trump) iraised this question here: how do you get rid of the politicized bureaucracy obama has developed? perhaps this was his fundamental transformation of america - the transformation of the federal government as a political monoculture. i know it already was, but obama has "weaponized" it indeed. doj, irs, epa, hud, edu, etc.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 09, 2016 04:25 PM (WTSFk)

288 ****The non-intellectual (very non-intellectual) nevertrumps are entirely composed of butthurt Cruzbots.
Posted by: dagny at September 09, 2016 04:22 PM (brElc)

That's Cruz Missiles to you!

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:25 PM (Iy6JT)

289 Poll Suggests Rick Perry Could Beat Ted Cruz in 2018

http://tinyurl.com/hoqmxpp

Bush III was not polled.

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I doubt Cruz is worried about a poll this far out. Again, Cruz will not lose a Texas primary. Perry - a career executive - will not run for Senate. Bush III will not beat Cruz.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:26 PM (2ROFd)

290 Yeah, Trump will have every major political power in DC opposed to him, Hillary has most on her side.

If you can't decide between the two because they both suck, consider that only one of them really has the allies to act like another Woodrow Wilson (or worse) - and it isn't the one with small hands.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 09, 2016 04:26 PM (X7E8f)

291 85...

You would not prosecute anybody with severe Vascular Dementia. They are going to die anyways and they are not competent to stand trial.

...

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right

You don't know me very well.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 09, 2016 04:26 PM (2ktpL)

292 love how Trump supporters open their arms to former Cruz supporters and welcome them in with a positive message. It's brilliant

++++

They can vote how they want. I'm not in the business of sugar coating.

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at September 09, 2016 04:26 PM (iVM15)

293

ot, but I tried to watch Brit Hume last night take over for Greta, and it was worse then I even expected it to be

boy, I hope they find someone else soon

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 09, 2016 04:27 PM (qCMvj)

294 I've said this on previous threads:

#1 reason to vote for Trump: Unlike the slavering devotion they will give to Hillary, the media, Democrats and Republicans will be so far up Trump's ass they'll have ask him to say "ah" if they want to see daylight.

Posted by: Ken in NH at September 09, 2016 04:27 PM (GYeaQ)

295 This whole Rome vs. Carthage "sow the fields of Cruz's career with salt so he will never again be relevant" shtick just seems counterproductive.

Somebody's gotta' go back and get a shitload of salt ...

Posted by: Mr. Taggert at September 09, 2016 04:27 PM (fiGNd)

296 Mitch McConnell's nuts

Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 09, 2016 04:27 PM (JJev6)

297
some time ago (pre-trump) iraised this question here: how do you get rid of the politicized bureaucracy obama has developed
***
DC term limits? Or better yet, shrink the federal workforce by 10% per year.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 09, 2016 04:27 PM (X7E8f)

298 Somebody's gotta' go back and get a shitload of salt ...
Posted by: Mr. Taggert at September 09, 2016 04:27 PM (fiGNd)

Posted by: I quote those quoting Blazing Saddles at September 09, 2016 04:28 PM (Iy6JT)

299 ... one wag responded to the dilemma with the suggestion to simply remove the departments. edu, epa, hud, irs.
i like it.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 09, 2016 04:28 PM (WTSFk)

300 That's not Libertarian!!

Good; I get to post it again. "Gary Johnson is a complete idiot"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW5gQo43ay4

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2016 04:28 PM (EnGQE)

301 We must beat Hillary. Fuck Cruz and everyone who supports that asshole. We must beat Hillary.

As I said, brilliant.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at September 09, 2016 04:28 PM (UGLi1)

302 "I think Trump will do more long term damage than Hillary."

I honestly have no idea how anyone can possibly believe that.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 09, 2016 04:28 PM (RwwCT)

303 "Cruz could have been the man of the hour, made his speech into the highlight of the convention, unified the party in a single moment, and secured a spot for himself on the supreme court if he had put aside his pride and endorsed Trump.

He faltered.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:17 PM (Iy6JT) "

Ah, of course. Creepy Ted Cruz, the guy who you didn't think was good enough in the primary, could have suddenly become the great party unifier and savior in one shining moment. But I thought he was a wax-faced loon who only cared about giving teddy bears and soccer balls to illegal immigrants?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 09, 2016 04:28 PM (kumBu)

304 Wait- Jill Stein's tits? Elections are decided on issues like this and I feel completely uninformed. Google images better deliver...

Posted by: MTF at September 09, 2016 04:29 PM (/m8T6)

305

what's the big ta-do about Trump's speech tonight in Pensacola Florida at 7pm central time?

was going to watch a movie... is this worth it?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 09, 2016 04:29 PM (qCMvj)

306 I just bought a $10 bag of Columbian. It burns pretty good if you use a pipe.

Posted by: Gary Johnson at September 09, 2016 04:29 PM (HgMAr)

307
I doubt Cruz is worried about a poll this far out. Again, Cruz will not lose a Texas primary. Perry - a career executive - will not run for Senate. Bush III will not beat Cruz.
Posted by: SH

Got anything beyond your "feelz" to back that up?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2016 04:29 PM (kdS6q)

308 DC term limits? Or better yet, shrink the federal workforce by 10% per year.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 09, 2016 04:27 PM (X7E8f)

You could start by kicking most of these agencies out of Washington, DC. Make the IRS HQ move to North Dakota, while the Department of Health and Human Services is headquartered in El Paso, TX.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at September 09, 2016 04:29 PM (FYrz1)

309
Good; I get to post it again. "Gary Johnson is a complete idiot"
***
Had Rand Paul ran as a libertarian candidate, he would likely be pulling a plurality of the presidential votes in polls now....and the Republican party would be about to die.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 09, 2016 04:29 PM (X7E8f)

310 Yeah. Empress reamed me last thread for saying, "Lena Dunham in Spanx", which is nothing compared to Hillary in a leather thong, leather corset, boots, riding crop......
Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 03:39 PM (gJBE5)

---

*pushes her sammich aside*

AtC, I think your raptors are hungry...

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at September 09, 2016 04:30 PM (rlfds)

311 Looked up Vascular Dementia. Sounds about right.
I don't think she has Parkinson's, too many people here have had relatives with it and know the symptoms. The constant coughing leads me to think she has another severe medical issue on top of Vascular Dementia.

Posted by: washrivergal at September 09, 2016 04:30 PM (CFc5L)

312 All I'm worried about now is placating AtC.
Could use suggestions.

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:30 PM (sbtm+)

313 The stems and seeds are a little harsh but it still gets you high.

Posted by: Gary Johnson at September 09, 2016 04:30 PM (HgMAr)

314 I'm talking about beating global socialism, for once, in November.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:24 PM (Iy6JT)

With what? Trump the Northeastern RINO who said that he thought education and health care were two of the most important obligations of the federal government? That Trump, supposedly bravely standing athwart socialism?
And this is what a lot of you all don't get or just refuse to get. Endorsing Trumpism as the political philosophy going forward for the GOP means that both parties are now basically left of center when it comes to issues of the size and scope of government power and reach.
Hillary = Socialism with open borders
Trump = Socialism with closed borders
Either way, it's socialism. Too bad we don't have someone actually running AGAINST socialism.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 04:30 PM (gXKl3)

315 >> #1 reason to vote for Trump

#1 reason to vote for Trump is that he's hated by all the right people.

I'm not proposing they should all be dragged out to, say, the Federal land where Burning Man does its thing, made to dig a pit, and shot on the rim of said pit, but I would like to see them all seriously embarrassed.

Erick Erickson living next door to Amy Schumer in some third-world shithole would be just about perfect.

Posted by: JEM at September 09, 2016 04:30 PM (TppKb)

316 "If Hillary starts to tank in the polls (which may be happening now) and
it looks like she can't win, watch for her to pull out for health
reasons so the Dems can nominate somebody else."

I figured that Sanders was running an option play all along.

He never thought he could get the nomination outright against the party machine, but as the guy who came a plausible second, he would be the obvious person to turn to if Clinton were then to be indicted or have a stroke.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 09, 2016 04:30 PM (noWW6)

317 283
Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 04:22 PM (sv0ts)

Who's loyal to the GOP? I'm not even a member of the GOP. I think
Hillary is a serial liar, money launderer, who left people to die in
Banghazi and who has and will sell US interests out to the highest
bidder. At this point, I think it's very likely the Clinton Crime Family
has bumped people off.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2016 04:25 PM (EnGQE)

You think Trump is the lesser of two evils?Fine, I can respect that. I'm not going to even try to convince you otherwise.My calculation is different - I think long term Trump will be worse because he'll destroy the "right" - so at best you've slightly slowed the left for 4 years (and even this seems like a long shot) but have sacrificed most of your ability to do anything about it long term. And we're watching it happen real-time as a lot of conservatives (I'm not saying you ore ace, but others) are abandoning conservative ideas for whatever Trump says at any given moment and as Trump's stupidity is getting smeared all over conservatism.
You disagree with me? Fine too. I'm just tired of NeverTrump being constantly misrepresented and told that I'm effectively a Hillary supporter and essentially that total party loyalty is now mandatory - from people who were Burn It Down 5 minutes ago.

Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 04:30 PM (sv0ts)

318 All I'm worried about now is placating AtC.
Could use suggestions.
Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:30 PM (sbtm+)

Pat her on the head and call her "half-pint". She loves that.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at September 09, 2016 04:31 PM (FYrz1)

319 some time ago (pre-trump) iraised this question here: how do you get rid of the politicized bureaucracy obama has developed?

Ask them to point to the sentence in the Constitution that authorizes their existence. If they can't, buh-bye.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 04:31 PM (gJBE5)

320 277
If Hillary starts to tank in the polls (which may be happening now) and it looks like she can't win, watch for her to pull out for health reasons so the Dems can nominate somebody else.

How would that work? Its too late to get on the ballots,wouldn't Kaine automatically be the donks new candidate and he would then pick his new VP?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic

Bernie's crowd will burn the place down if it's someone other than him they pick. That's why they're stuck.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 09, 2016 04:31 PM (2ktpL)

321 Does Jill Stein have nice sweater puppies?

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:31 PM (sbtm+)

322 the democrats' vision: one state, one party, one leader.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 09, 2016 04:31 PM (WTSFk)

323 I'm not proposing they should all be dragged out to, say, the Federal land where Burning Man does its thing, made to dig a pit, and shot on the rim of said pit, but I would like to see them all seriously embarrassed.

Posted by: JEM at September 09, 2016 04:30 PM (TppKb)

Wait. Go back to that part about the pit.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 09, 2016 04:31 PM (8ZskC)

324 I doubt Cruz is worried about a poll this far out. Again, Cruz will not lose a Texas primary. Perry - a career executive - will not run for Senate. Bush III will not beat Cruz.
Posted by: SH

Got anything beyond your "feelz" to back that up?

----------

The fact that he clocked Trump and everyone else in the Texas primary. The fact that Texas is the reddest state in the union. The fact that Rick Perry really isn't all that popular.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:31 PM (2ROFd)

325 312 All I'm worried about now is placating AtC.
Could use suggestions.
Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:30 PM (sbtm+)

Timbits.

Posted by: buzzion at September 09, 2016 04:32 PM (z/Ubi)

326 ... how did that go in german?

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 09, 2016 04:32 PM (WTSFk)

327 Cookies tubal

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at September 09, 2016 04:32 PM (iVM15)

328 Wait- Jill Stein's tits? Elections are decided on issues like this and I feel completely uninformed. Google images better deliver...

Wait'll ya' get a load of me ...

Posted by: Hope Solo's Anus at September 09, 2016 04:32 PM (fiGNd)

329 "Too bad we don't have someone actually running AGAINST socialism."

If we had some ham, we could have some ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 09, 2016 04:32 PM (noWW6)

330 "I think Trump will do more long term damage than Hillary."
***
The worst that Trump could do equates to the best we could expect Hillary to do if elected.

Unless of course your concern is that he might damage the already toxic Republican brand. That does seem rather of less concern when we have a candidate formally running on the platform that laws do not bind her.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 09, 2016 04:32 PM (X7E8f)

331 Dirks Strewn@275,

200% correct. That's exactly why we have that history and why this future is so easy to predict.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 09, 2016 04:32 PM (1CroS)

332 If Hillary wins the growth of the Borg continues apace -- an unholy alliance of BigGov, MSM and Academia, ..
----------

I think we need to start adding 'Big Tech' that list. The incestuous relationship between the Dems and Google, Facebook, etc. being painfully obvious.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2016 04:32 PM (9mTYi)

333 Trump IS the burn the GOPe down candidate. That's why the horde is backing Trump.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 04:23 PM (gJBE5)

Thank you for saying that. This isn't about "Trumpism" (whatever that happens to be) or worshipping a "cheeto messiah" or being a "Trumpaloo" or whatever. By design our system is a binary system. There will be a new president in January and that president will be either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. At this point your likes and dislikes are irrelevant.

Hillary Clinton is an abomination; if you cannot pull for Trump then pull against her; if you can do neither then please clear the road for the rest of us.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Defeatism, Despair, and Dismay - The Outrage Outlet for Sports and Elections at September 09, 2016 04:32 PM (hLRSq)

334 Shit. Burned my lip on that roach.

Posted by: Gary Johnson at September 09, 2016 04:33 PM (HgMAr)

335 Ah, of course. Creepy Ted Cruz, the guy who you didn't think was good enough in the primary, could have suddenly become the great party unifier and savior in one shining moment. But I thought he was a wax-faced loon who only cared about giving teddy bears and soccer balls to illegal immigrants?
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 09, 2016 04:28 PM (kumBu)

I have never once insulted Ted Cruz! I've said all along he was never going to be able to succeed in the general in our current media environment.

Seeing as how he's a politician, you'd at least think he could read a political weathervane and put the cherry on top of that fantastic speech he ruined with his stubbornness. I wish he WOULD get nominated to SCOTUS, but it'll be his own fault when he doesn't.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:33 PM (Iy6JT)

336 "They can vote how they want. I'm not in the business of sugar coating.

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at September 09, 2016 04:26 PM (iVM15) "

We're mostly voting for Trump. But it's good to get vindication on long-held beliefs.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 09, 2016 04:33 PM (kumBu)

337 Timbits.
Posted by: buzzion at September 09, 2016 04:32 PM (z/Ubi)

chocolate
it's always chocolate
pure chocolate
chocolate cake
chocolate cupcakes
chocolate laced cookies
chocolate ice cream
chocolate chocolate with chocolate on top

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 09, 2016 04:33 PM (qCMvj)

338 >> Wait. Go back to that part about the pit.

You want NOT to have to do it, but you want the Burning Man crowd to BELIEVE you did. So what's the appropriate Reddit shit to make that happen?

Posted by: JEM at September 09, 2016 04:33 PM (TppKb)

339 There is nothing Jonah Goldberg or David French can write which will make me not vote for Trump.

However the people around here who seem to hate Cruz certainly have the power to disuade me. Everytime I make peace with checking the box next to Trump's name on the ballot a post like this goes up and I read a ton of comments as above and decide fuck it - you made the bed so sleep in it.

Posted by: moon over vermont at September 09, 2016 04:33 PM (kUmUV)

340 287 some time ago (pre-trump) iraised this question here: how do you get rid of the politicized bureaucracy obama has developed? perhaps this was his fundamental transformation of america - the transformation of the federal government as a political monoculture. i know it already was, but obama has "weaponized" it indeed. doj, irs, epa, hud, edu, etc.
Posted by: musical jolly

End withholding, cut taxes, and starve the beast. You can't fight it agency by office, each one has its own vocal support. Shrink the pie and let the bureaucracy eat each other for the crumbs.

Posted by: Jean at September 09, 2016 04:33 PM (ngn8T)

341 >>>All I'm worried about now is placating AtC.

Could use suggestions.
Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:30 PM (sbtm+)<<<

You could take her to an amusement park so she can have fun on all the rides...
**sees "You Must Be This Tall" sign**

Uh... maybe try something else?

Posted by: a T-Rex trying to rub one out at September 09, 2016 04:34 PM (H9MG5)

342 If we had some ham, we could have some ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.
............

We have Spam.

Posted by: wth at September 09, 2016 04:34 PM (HgMAr)

343 Shit. Burned my lip on that roach.
Posted by: Gary Johnson at September 09, 2016 04:33 PM (HgMAr)

"Ah, my Lip-o!"

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 09, 2016 04:34 PM (qCMvj)

344 I'm kinda worried, is all. Never seen an image of AtC, but I kinda get a Morena Baccarin "V" vibe sometimes.

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:34 PM (sbtm+)

345 Shit. We just lost moon over vermont.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 09, 2016 04:34 PM (8ZskC)

346 I am going to speak out of school for a moment and note that I am peeved at Bander because he lives in a state where his vote doesn't matter and thus he can decide to cast his vote based on important matters, such as Jill Stein's tits, and I live in a battleground state and thus have to take my vote seriously. So. Peeved.Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette

First. Let me pre-apologize for what the Eagles will be doing to the Browns on Sunday.

Second. Obama won Pennsylvania by 1/2 of 1% margin. Pennsylvania is very much in play. Ignore Pennsylvania polls - look to Florida. Pennsylvania is Florida without the heat and humidity for eleven months out of the year.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 09, 2016 04:34 PM (ZFUt7)

347 The #NeverTrumpers -- who are really Hillary supporters; they want Hillary to win, because they think then they can purge the Trumpkins and start winning elections as a party drawing the support of 25% of the country -- seem to think elections are just about intraparty jockeying, palace intrigues, and "principle."

I have said it before... Independents were running at 43% of the Electorate before this election cycle...

After this election cycle... after the FORCED choosing of sides.... when the dust settles...

I predict more than 50% of the Electorate will self identify as Independent not matter WHO wins.

This election is showing the flaws in our electoral system.... with the two party system... but with BOTH sides of the current power structure depending ON that two party system... it will not change unless something radical happens.

Posted by: Don Q. at September 09, 2016 04:34 PM (qf6WZ)

348 "the important thing is being able to write pungent, emotional opinion pieces for NR."

I know when I think of NR, one of the first words that comes to mind is "pungent".

Posted by: OCBill at September 09, 2016 04:34 PM (df+Zi)

349 >> Hillary Clinton is an abomination; if you cannot pull
>> for Trump then pull against her; if you can do
>> neither then please clear the road for the rest of
>> us.

And if you can't do any of the above:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_G._Culin

Posted by: JEM at September 09, 2016 04:35 PM (TppKb)

350 All I'm worried about now is placating AtC.
Could use suggestions.
-------------

Calming images of hermetically sealed, nature-free safe spaces, with attractive step-stools located here and there.

Posted by: No way I'm putting my name on this at September 09, 2016 04:35 PM (9mTYi)

351 chemjeff, read Trump's platform on his website or watch a Trump speech. This is the candidate we've waiting for. It won't get any better than this man. Sorry he's not perfect, but that fact doesn't obligate me to fight the goblins in your head.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:35 PM (Iy6JT)

352 One possible *long-term* damage of Trump, should he win, is that the right, collectively, giving up on the idea, once and for all, that the federal government needs to be downsized in any significant way.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 04:35 PM (gXKl3)

353 However the people around here who seem to hate Cruz certainly have the power to disuade me. Everytime I make peace with checking the box next to Trump's name on the ballot a post like this goes up and I read a ton of comments as above and decide fuck it - you made the bed so sleep in it.
Posted by: moon over vermont at September 09, 2016 04:33 PM (kUmUV)

Loved Cruz.
He lost though

Trump won the Republican nominee.

The GOP candidate is Trump.

otherwise, Hillary

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 09, 2016 04:35 PM (qCMvj)

354
Cruz could have been the man of the hour, made his speech into the highlight of the convention, unified the party in a single moment, and secured a spot for himself on the supreme court if he had put aside his pride and endorsed Trump.He faltered.Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:17 PM (Iy6JT) "
I thought he would've been better heading up the DOJ,Trump could have handed the hatchet with ordsers to clean the place up and let him have at it.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 09, 2016 04:35 PM (lKyWE)

355 Has anyone asked Scooter Libby how his asshole feels about this?

Posted by: Jean at September 09, 2016 04:35 PM (ngn8T)

356
The fact that he clocked Trump and everyone else in the Texas primary.

>44% -- in his home state. Couldn't even get close to the 50% needed for WTA.

The fact that Texas is the reddest state in the union.

> Non-sequitar

The fact that Rick Perry really isn't all that popular.

> Just gave you a poll that indicates he's more popular than Cruz.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2016 04:36 PM (kdS6q)

357 However the people around here who seem to hate Cruz certainly have the power to disuade me.
***
I was a Cruz supporter. Trump was a dick to him. Cruz was a jerk back. None of that matters, I'm voting for the remaining not Hillary option.

We can deal with an asshole as president. Heck, he'll be a smaller jerk then Johnson...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 09, 2016 04:36 PM (X7E8f)

358 The fact that he clocked Trump and everyone else in the Texas primary. The fact that Texas is the reddest state in the union. The fact that Rick Perry really isn't all that popular.
Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:31 PM (2ROFd)

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You're high. TX is not the reddest state in the union. Far from it.

Posted by: Soona at September 09, 2016 04:36 PM (Fmupd)

359 Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 04:30 PM (gXKl3

You know how in post apocalypse movies there's the heroes and they usually have a smart guy with them? Kind of nerdy, can't survive on his own, but he knows a lot of handy stuff and as long as he ain't driving or making tactical decisions they're going to try keeping him around?

Yeah. Well. Stop trying to drive.

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at September 09, 2016 04:36 PM (iVM15)

360 So. Peeved.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 04:25 PM (mf5HN)

If being an adult was always fun and buying alcohol without worrying about the quality of your ID we wouldn't have hipsters. Unfortunately most of being an adult is doing things that are Musts and not things that are Wannas.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Defeatism, Despair, and Dismay - The Outrage Outlet for Sports and Elections at September 09, 2016 04:36 PM (hLRSq)

361 My dog is asleep next to me and he's chomping his teeth in his dream.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:36 PM (Iy6JT)

362 Trump won the Republican nominee.

The GOP candidate is Trump.

otherwise, Hillary

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So why do so many want to see Cruz destroyed? Or lose his Senate seat?

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:36 PM (2ROFd)

363 *pushes her sammich aside*

AtC, I think your raptors are hungry...
Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at September 09, 2016 04:30 PM (rlfds)

Oh they're just out doing some warm up exercises in preparation for some late afternoon nomming.

Speaking of nomming, it's Friday so that means I'm doing dinner with the parents since they have nothing better to do. I believe I've mentioned before that deciding where to go to dinner on Friday nights is a process akin to negotiating a Middle East peace treaty but not as smooth.

My aunt is in town. I got a text half an hour ago OMG YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHERE WE ARE GOING THIS IS CRAZY.

I, believing discretion is the better part, promptly called Mommy and said nuh uh I'm not choosing you can't make me!

Yeah. Guess who had to choose.

I sneakily chose the place Mommy wanted because I know who makes me cookies.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 04:37 PM (mf5HN)

364 We know Trump's taxes are squeaky clean, because the Hillary campaign already has them. If there was anything harmful, the IRS would have already finished the audit.

You know it's true , now isn't it a sorry state when you know the IRS (along with DOJ /FBI) is working for the Democrat party.

If you like that state of affairs, don't vote Trump.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 09, 2016 04:37 PM (2ktpL)

365 So. Peeved.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 04:25 PM (mf5HN)

---

Living in Texas, I would usually say it's a shoo-in for the Republican ticket.

With the possibility of The Dept of Homeland Security monitoring the Soro's-backed online voting, I don't think anyone's vote will be considered a throwaway this time 'round.

It's not who votes, it's who's counting them..yaddayaddayadda.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at September 09, 2016 04:37 PM (rlfds)

366
346 I am going to speak out of school for a moment and note that I am peeved at Bander because he lives in a state where his vote doesn't matter and thus he can decide to cast his vote based on important matters, such as Jill Stein's tits, and I live in a battleground state and thus have to take my vote seriously So. Peeved.Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette

First. Let me pre-apologize for what the Eagles will be doing to the Browns on Sunday.

Second. Obama won Pennsylvania by 1/2 of 1% margin. Pennsylvania is very much in play. Ignore Pennsylvania polls - look to Florida. Pennsylvania is Florida without the heat and humidity for eleven months out of the year.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 09, 2016 04:34 PM (ZFUt7)

You are only in a non battleground state, because no one is willing to CONTEST that meme.

If you allow those in power to tell you your vote does not count, then it will not....

Its like the idea that you can't win a fight, unless you are willing TO Fight...

Posted by: Don Q. at September 09, 2016 04:37 PM (qf6WZ)

367 I thought he would've been better heading up the DOJ,Trump could have handed the hatchet with ordsers to clean the place up and let him have at it.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 09, 2016 04:35 PM (lKyWE)

I hope he still does. "Clean house" doesn't even begin to fucking cover it.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:37 PM (Iy6JT)

368 from people who were Burn It Down 5 minutes ago.

Posted by: gwelf

This is what 'burn it down' looks like.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 09, 2016 04:37 PM (V3IFq)

369 The Clinton Crime Family Foundation is not a billion dollar slush fund.

It is a $100 billion + slush fund.

Read the Charles Ortel analyses. Over $100 billion, and no oversight from anybody. It's not even a legitimate foundation, because it is supposed to be solely for the Clinton presidential library, but then they morphed it into all sorts of other "charitable" endeavors, without getting authorization from the IRS (or anybody else), and they just keep expanding it, with all sorts of bogus "initiatives" and nobody in government does squat about it.

It's like Hillary's e-mails. Everybody knows it's illegal, but nobody does anything, and anybody who raises questions or concerns is told to STFU.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 09, 2016 04:37 PM (NnYnv)

370

the sad part is NRO and therightscoop and some others have lost viewership

it has got to be making a dent

the sites became so irrational, and emotional, like everyone there was pms'ing and throwing hissy fits

it was so embarrassing
so why go there?
why go where you are not understood and shamed

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 09, 2016 04:37 PM (qCMvj)

371 Seeing as how he's a politician, you'd at least
think he could read a political weathervane and put the cherry on top of
that fantastic speech he ruined with his stubbornness. I wish he WOULD
get nominated to SCOTUS, but it'll be his own fault when he doesn't.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:33 PM (Iy6JT)
=====He showed up and spoke positively. Where were all the other dickless wonders?
No matter what, I am not waving my butt in the air five times a day to submit -- especially to any politician.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 09, 2016 04:38 PM (MIKMs)

372 You're high. TX is not the reddest state in the union. Far from it.
Posted by: Soona at September 09, 2016 04:36 PM (Fmupd)

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No?

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:38 PM (2ROFd)

373 "I wish he WOULD get nominated to SCOTUS, but it'll be his own fault when he doesn't.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:33 PM (Iy6JT) "

Yes, of course, his fault - I guess he should have deepthroated the ring instead of just kissing it.

And absolute bullshit on you never insulting Ted Cruz. Maybe you had so much fun with your endzone dance that you've forgotten.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 09, 2016 04:38 PM (kumBu)

374 After this election cycle... after the FORCED choosing of sides....

Been that way since '88.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 04:38 PM (gJBE5)

375 Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 09, 2016 04:34 PM (ZFUt7)

O.K But I think bander lives in CT.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2016 04:38 PM (EnGQE)

376 345 Shit. We just lost moon over vermont.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 09, 2016 04:34 PM (8ZskC)

Not gone yet, as of right now I'm still planning to put the check next to Trump's name, but it is getting harder. Maybe I need to spend more time working and less time reading comments here.

Posted by: moon over vermont at September 09, 2016 04:38 PM (kUmUV)

377
So why do so many want to see Cruz destroyed? Or lose his Senate seat?
Posted by: SH

Because he's a giant tool.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2016 04:38 PM (kdS6q)

378 I sneakily chose the place Mommy wanted because I know who makes me cookies.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 04:37 PM (mf5HN)

So , Old Country Buffet it is ,then!

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:38 PM (sbtm+)

379
She has now corrupted the FBI into becoming her own personal Law Enforcement Division. She did that as a candidate, not as an actual president.

What can this crime boss do when she has real power, not just the Foundation's billion dollar slush fund?

>>>>>>>>>

But TRUMP has SHARP ELBOWS

Posted by: a person (a) bsolutely obsessed , gracias at September 09, 2016 04:38 PM (zu88C)

380 Has anyone asked Scooter Libby how his asshole feels about this?
Posted by: Jean
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Heh.

Posted by: Martha Stewart at September 09, 2016 04:39 PM (9mTYi)

381 The idea of a government full of Trump yesmen is supposed to make vote for him?

When the debate about ObamaCare comes through in 2017 do you want united Republicans against super unpopular Hillary or do you want Donald "Government can't let people die in the streets" Trump saying low interest rates means it's a great time for spending to add more to the national debt?

And I am rather sure Republicans would fight Hillary on illegal immigrant amnesty but I have zero confidence Trump won't decide to legalize millions once he realizes the press would then say good things about him. After all the most important thing to Trump is good things being said about Trump. And once the illegals are legal they will demand and get citizenship (and bakers will have to bake them cakes) then we get to Democrats winning ten of the last twelve elections, fifteen of the last seventeen elections, twenty of the last twenty-two elections....

Ace keeps saying #NeverTrumpers want Hillary to win. Speaking for myself, I don't want Hillary to win but I see a better 2020 election with that than after 4 years of Trump trashing the brand even more than Dubya did.

Posted by: justaguy at September 09, 2016 04:39 PM (wTSvK)

382 No stems or seeds that you dont need ... Aleppo Gold is .. bad ass weed!!!!!

Posted by: Gary Spicolli Johnson at September 09, 2016 04:39 PM (c+7Ko)

383 >> So why do so many want to see Cruz destroyed?
>> Or lose his Senate seat?

No, I do not. Either one of the above. I want to see him replace Scalia. Or Ginsburg, better still, for the splattering of Dem brains.

Posted by: JEM at September 09, 2016 04:39 PM (TppKb)

384 372 You're high. TX is not the reddest state in the union. Far from it.
Posted by: Soona at September 09, 2016 04:36 PM (Fmupd)

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No?
Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:38 PM (2ROFd)

Don't worry about Soona. He's still reeling from the Uof H loss.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at September 09, 2016 04:39 PM (UGLi1)

385 The worst that Trump could do equates to the best we could expect Hillary to do if elected.

Unless
of course your concern is that he might damage the already toxic
Republican brand. That does seem rather of less concern when we have a
candidate formally running on the platform that laws do not bind her.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 09, 2016 04:32 PM (X7E8f)

This is pretty close to it for me - I think the GOP was close to toxic before hand and now it is toxic because of Trump.The GOP had and still has problems pulling in people outside the base. Trump won't fix that - he brings in some people who don't typically vote GOP but he's absolutely despised by more winnable people.And Trump has caused a rift in the base itself. And no matter if he wins or loses that rift is likely to widen. If he loses then NeverTrump will be blamed. If he wins he'll define "conservatism" and no one will want to touch it for a long time.Before 2016 I had only a very small hope that the political process would seriously address any of the issues that are important to me and now there's zero chance of that no matter who wins.

Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 04:39 PM (sv0ts)

386 Back before the Primary, the bulk of conservatives were clamoring for a loud and proud, principled conservative. We ended up with loud and proud, but that's about it. Still better than Hillary.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 09, 2016 04:39 PM (2cS/G)

387 So why do so many want to see Cruz destroyed? Or lose his Senate seat?
Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:36 PM (2ROFd)

I don't.

And I don't have that sense that there are that many, really.

I want him to continue bull-dozing the GOPe.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 09, 2016 04:39 PM (qCMvj)

388 Yes, of course, his fault - I guess he should have deepthroated the ring instead of just kissing it.

Maybe he just should have refrained from shitting on it. Maybe.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 09, 2016 04:39 PM (8ZskC)

389 That was me. I admit it.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 04:39 PM (zu88C)

390 My research complete I can report Jill Stein looks like a woman who keeps herself in fine condition. She looks like a runner with good arm definition, so probably has a weight regimen too. What I did not detect however are sugartits. Nope, not there (on the pictures I saw).

Oh, also, she's a Trotskyite. That is disqualifying.

Posted by: MTF at September 09, 2016 04:39 PM (/m8T6)

391 Damn it ... I don't care anymore !!! Fascists, Communists, Buddhists, Pacifists, or Methodists !!! Just please, for the love of Mendeleev ... keep those borders open !!!

Posted by: Dude that Teaches College Chemistry at September 09, 2016 04:39 PM (fiGNd)

392 Trump can't do more long term damage than Hillary. It's an impossibility.

Posted by: dagny at September 09, 2016 04:40 PM (brElc)

393 368 from people who were Burn It Down 5 minutes ago.

Posted by: gwelf

This is what 'burn it down' looks like.

Venezuela is what burn it down looks like.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 04:40 PM (gJBE5)

394 No, I do not. Either one of the above. I want to see him replace Scalia. Or Ginsburg, better still, for the splattering of Dem brains.
Posted by: JEM at September 09, 2016 04:39 PM (TppKb)

This would be a miracle, but miracles do happen.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 09, 2016 04:40 PM (qCMvj)

395
I'm wading through an old book about the fifteen greatest battles of all time. So far it's about a long list of greek names; heroic generals who fought those battles and the traitorous traitors who betrayed their soverign city states by making deals with the enemy.

I'm seeing a resemblance to modern events, minus the tens of thousands of armed men battling it out on the city streets.

Things that make your eyes go wide.

Posted by: Arnoldson Fastbiter at September 09, 2016 04:40 PM (mhx1O)

396 351
chemjeff, read Trump's platform on his website or watch a Trump speech.
This is the candidate we've waiting for. It won't get any better than
this man. Sorry he's not perfect, but that fact doesn't obligate me to
fight the goblins in your head.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:35 PM (Iy6JT)
I have read his platform, then see him contradict his own platform.
I have watched his rallies, where they consisted largely of stream-of-consciousness ramblings about the first thought that drifts through his neurons at any given moment.
I have watched his more prepared speeches, with teleprompters, where he manages to sabotage all of that work by going off-script with some stupid comment that makes everyone cringe.
I can only speak for myself, but he is *not* the candidate that I have been waiting for.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 04:40 PM (gXKl3)

397 I sneakily chose the place Mommy wanted because I know who makes me cookies.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 04:37 PM (mf5HN)

---

Smart move, heh.

I'll be spending the evening with my daughter, who's feeling a bit under the weather and wants her mommy.

She is so lucky she lives five minutes away.

Hawaiian Grill for dindin.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at September 09, 2016 04:40 PM (rlfds)

398 You're high. TX is not the reddest state in the union. Far from it.

Posted by: Soona

______________

Hang tough brother.

#TEXIT includes a Demprog Trail of Tears that leads all the way BACK to L. A.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 04:41 PM (zu88C)

399 368
from people who were Burn It Down 5 minutes ago.

Posted by: gwelf

This is what 'burn it down' looks like.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 09, 2016 04:37 PM (V3IFq)

Then why are ace and everyone else telling me it's all about Hillary?

Burn it Down is going to happen regardless if Trump wins or loses.

Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 04:41 PM (sv0ts)

400 Why in the world would Perry not run against Cornyn rather than Cruz?

It's a stark choice. If Perry thinks the senator from Texas that needs replacin' is Cruz when we've got Cornyn as option B, my guardedly/mostly positive opinion of Perry will vaporize.

We have GOT to get Cornyn out.

Posted by: TexasDan at September 09, 2016 04:41 PM (FnuZG)

401 SH, no, Texas is not the reddest state. That would be Utah or Wyoming, I think.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 04:41 PM (gXKl3)

402 I can only speak for myself, but he is *not* the candidate that I have been waiting for.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 04:40 PM (gXKl3)

Keep holding out, CJ! Wait for Him!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 09, 2016 04:41 PM (8ZskC)

403 I've got my red tint glasses, headband and suede fringe jacket all picked out for the debates.

Posted by: Gary Johnson at September 09, 2016 04:41 PM (HgMAr)

404 You are only in a non battleground state, because no one is willing to CONTEST that meme.
If you allow those in power to tell you your vote does not count, then it will not....
Its like the idea that you can't win a fight, unless you are willing TO Fight...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 09, 2016 04:37 PM (qf6WZ)

Thank you Mr Quixote.

You NEED to vote FOR Trump in order to defeat Hillary. We're also running against the margin of fraud.

The entire Trump ethos is that he didn't know he couldn't do it. All these things we think the democrats have taken from us we gave up, because they created an imaginary world, a cultural aesthetic, that sidelined us. It's our own acceptance that makes their system work.

We're still Americans, and that means we can do whatever we want. He can win New Jersey, Rhode Island, Michigan, and New York.

Idk about Massachusetts or California or Illinois, but...

We have to try.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:41 PM (Iy6JT)

405 I've got my red tint glasses, headband and suede fringe jacket all picked out for the debates.
Posted by: Gary Johnson at September 09, 2016 04:41 PM (HgMAr)

don't forget the breath mints

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 09, 2016 04:42 PM (qCMvj)

406 My dog is asleep next to me and he's chomping his teeth in his dream.
Posted by: Ghost of kari
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Somewhere, out in dreamland, a rabbit is running for its life... possibly a squirrel.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2016 04:42 PM (9mTYi)

407 Posted by: justaguy at September 09, 2016 04:39 PM (wTSvK)
===========================

My experience with Trump is he surrounds himself with great people. I've never seen him with yes-men. Where do you get this stuff?

Posted by: MTF at September 09, 2016 04:42 PM (/m8T6)

408 I can only speak for myself, but he is *not* the candidate that I have been waiting for.

>>>>>>>>>>>>..

OMG !!11!!

MOAR SHARP ELBOWS!!11!! ELEVENTY!!11!!

Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 04:42 PM (zu88C)

409 I can only speak for myself, but he is *not* the candidate that I have been waiting for.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 04:40 PM (gXKl3)

I'm having a hard time believing this. Explain.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:42 PM (Iy6JT)

410 Jill Stein is an attractive woman. Not being a straight guy or a lesbian I have no interest in her "tits". She's a lunatic who defaced property for a photo op.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2016 04:42 PM (EnGQE)

411
You're high. TX is not the reddest state in the union. Far from it.
Posted by: Soona

No?
Posted by: SH

No.

http://tinyurl.com/z6794q5

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2016 04:42 PM (kdS6q)

412
292 love how Trump supporters open their arms to former Cruz supporters and welcome them in with a positive message. It's brilliant

++++

They can vote how they want. I'm not in the business of sugar coating.

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at September 09, 2016 04:26 PM (iVM15)

I'm a former Cruz supporter who really couldn't stand Trump during the primaries. I can't wait to vote for the guy now.

I hate the idea of having to make nice and sooth feelings and so on to get the NeverTrumpers on board. What part of "We will all be screwed so hard by Pantsuits McFatAss" do you not get?

It's like being in a burning house and telling the fireman, "I won't leave if you yell at me. Oh, I expect to be treated with cookies and milk at the firehouse."

Your friggin' house is on fire, fool!

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at September 09, 2016 04:42 PM (u0lmX)

413 So , Old Country Buffet it is ,then!
Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:38 PM (sbtm+)

Heh. Local place that has a salad Mommy likes and she always only gets that.

I will admit that I'm terrible about going to a new place, ordering something and only ever getting that again. Because, you know, if I like that it's not like the odds are high I would like something else or anything.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 04:42 PM (mf5HN)

414 372 You're high. TX is not the reddest state in the union. Far from it.
Posted by: Soona at September 09, 2016 04:36 PM (Fmupd)

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No?
Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:38 PM (2ROFd)

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There's some very large splotches of blue in TX. Check out the cities along the I-35 corridor. Dallas. Austin. San Antonio. Houston.

Posted by: Soona at September 09, 2016 04:43 PM (Fmupd)

415 We're still Americans, and that means we can do whatever we want. He can win New Jersey, Rhode Island, Michigan, and New York.
===========================

NFW on New Jersey.

Posted by: MTF at September 09, 2016 04:43 PM (/m8T6)

416

If you notice, it's a lot of the Bushies that are still clinging to other things.

(and Romney - who lost)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 09, 2016 04:43 PM (qCMvj)

417 Gok,

How is the LIFE.

Good to "see" you , my BFAM!

Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 04:43 PM (zu88C)

418 Burn it Down is going to happen regardless if Trump wins or loses.

+++

Yes. I agree. Now: What form? Who, whom?

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at September 09, 2016 04:43 PM (iVM15)

419 "All I'm worried about now is placating AtC.
Could use suggestions."

Some new souls in clean Bell jars for tormenting would go over. Include your own if you want her to smile winsomely.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Defeatism, Despair, and Dismay - The Outrage Outlet for Sports and Elections at September 09, 2016 04:43 PM (hLRSq)

420 What IS the reddest state in the Nation? I think I should move there.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2016 04:44 PM (EnGQE)

421 Heh. Local place that has a salad Mommy likes and she always only gets that.

I will admit that I'm terrible about going to a new place, ordering something and only ever getting that again. Because, you know, if I like that it's not like the odds are high I would like something else or anything.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 04:42 PM (mf5HN)

Sheldon, is that you? I keed.

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:44 PM (sbtm+)

422 Yes - we must form a coalition. So of course it's paramount to misrepresent NeverTrump, call them moral cowards, and self-interested.

You've done it ace - after the 1,000th time of being told I'm really a Hillary supporter and have ulterior self-centered motives you've convinced me.

Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 03:36 PM (sv0ts)

When you're taking flak you're on target: I think you "doth protest too much."

Ace's point (and mine) isn't so much that you have to vote for Trump but if your only criticisms are for Trump but ignore Hillary Clinton's obvious corrupt and felonious behavior, that doesn't say much for the integrity and motiviation of #NeverTrumpers.

Vote for whomever you want to. I really don't give a flying fvkc. What is interesting to me is that people that originally weren't for Trump (like me) can give cogent reasons why they have changed their minds and will now vote for Trump. The #NeverTrumpers, on the other hand, seem to rapidly devolve to name-calling and proclaiming that their feelz are hurt.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 09, 2016 04:45 PM (5Yee7)

423
Cruz woud have never got by confirmation hearings for SCOTUS.I have zero doubt that Republicans would join with Democrats in an amazing show of unity to prevent that from happening.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 09, 2016 04:45 PM (lKyWE)

424 My experience with Trump is he surrounds himself with great people. I've never seen him with yes-men. Where do you get this stuff?
Posted by: MTF at September 09, 2016 04:42 PM (/m8T6)

If Trump surrounded himself with "yes men", Corey Lewandowski would still be campaign manager and Donald would still be acting like a 5th grader.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 09, 2016 04:45 PM (DofIg)

425
Why in the world would Perry not run against Cornyn rather than Cruz?
Posted by: TexasDan

Cornyn would have the backing from the party and the Senate boy's club.

Cruz will not.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2016 04:45 PM (kdS6q)

426 There's no blue in Idaho

Posted by: Jean at September 09, 2016 04:45 PM (ngn8T)

427 If I meet up with any of you never trump clowns in the camps I'll slap you silly and steal the fish heads out of your soup. Your death just means no more fish heads.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at September 09, 2016 04:45 PM (FtrY1)

428 >>>I'm seeing a resemblance to modern events, minus the tens of thousands of armed men battling it out on the city streets.

I think this is an opportune time to mention that the WINONA RIDERS are recruiting MOTIVATED and SLIGHTLY DEMENTED individuals. Sodomizing of horses is prohibited. However, our Amphicat fleet is being upgraded and expanded. Be the envy of your neighbors and be prepared for the burning times!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 09, 2016 04:45 PM (ViRgs)

429 "However the people around here who seem to hate Cruz certainly have the power to disuade me."
"I thought he would've been better heading up the DOJ,Trump could have handed the hatchet with ordsers to clean the place up and let him have at it."

I don't hate Cruz. But he made some poor decisions toward the end that painted himself into a corner. He pops up here because he's often the figurehead for the supposed Constitutional Conservatives who are still #NeverTrump.

Had Cruz played his hand better, he could have had AG had he wanted it. Christie played ball and now has the inside track.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 09, 2016 04:45 PM (r1fLd)

430 O.K But I think bander lives in CT.Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Hope you're better at the preaching stuff than geography. He's Bucks County, Pennsylvania. Smack dab in the middle of enemy territory.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 09, 2016 04:46 PM (ZFUt7)

431
420 What IS the reddest state in the Nation? I think I should move there.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2016 04:44 PM (EnGQE)

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OK is solid red. Not a blue spot to be found.

Posted by: Soona at September 09, 2016 04:46 PM (Fmupd)

432
I hate the idea of having to make nice and sooth feelings and so on
to get the NeverTrumpers on board. What part of "We will all be screwed
so hard by Pantsuits McFatAss" do you not get?

>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Donna and V. ,

It moved.

Thank you.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 04:46 PM (zu88C)

433 I like chicks and balances. Never said I didn't.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at September 09, 2016 04:46 PM (DrC22)

434 I can only speak for myself, but he is *not* the candidate that I have been waiting for.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 04:40 PM (gXKl3)

And so, will continue to badmouth and bash him, instead of the Democrats... potentially driving down those who would turnout for him...

OK then....

Posted by: Don Q. at September 09, 2016 04:46 PM (qf6WZ)

435 Jill Stein is an attractive woman.

Hellen Mirren last thread. Now Jill Stein.

It's like I don't even know you people anymore.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 09, 2016 04:46 PM (fiGNd)

436 Sorry, off topic, but I missed the previous thread about Britain banning surgical procedures for the obese for a year.
Yikes. If they did that in Michigan, half the population would be unable to get surgery. Surgeons would go broke.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 09, 2016 04:46 PM (+lVUW)

437 You're high. TX is not the reddest state in the union. Far from it.
Posted by: Soona at September 09, 2016 04:36 PM
*******
It's not. I would say either Oklahoma or Wyoming are more conservative than TX. Every big city in TX is majority Democrat.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 09, 2016 04:46 PM (6IPEM)

438 420
What IS the reddest state in the Nation? I think I should move there.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2016 04:44 PM (EnGQE)

You still need to be careful. I live in Utah - one of the reddest states but Salt Lake City proper is super progressive (suburbs are not).

Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 04:47 PM (sv0ts)

439
Moonlight on Vermont affected everybody
Even Mrs. Wooten well as Little Nitty

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 09, 2016 04:47 PM (IqV8l)

440
I used to go to NRO daily. But since 2012 or so there really isn't any reason. Goldberg is a pretty good writer, but he is terrible at strategy. And most of the rest of them are hacks.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 09, 2016 04:47 PM (X7E8f)

441
No argument on the accountability issue.

The short version I hear from Aces argument about #NeverTrump:

"Principled conservatives. There are not enough of you to ever win. Best you can hope for is to cling to the coattails of the Trump mob."

I don't buy that an actual conservative couldnt win this year. Hillary could have been beat by just about anyone. It's not even impossible for Trump to beat her, just far less likely. But here we are with no conservative to vote for except third party. I can chose between the unprincipled narcissist who has had time in Gov to show how corrupt she is or the unprincipled narcissist who hasn't had time in gov to show how corrupt he will be. True the press will be against him and FBI might learn they are the Federal Bureau which Investigates crime again.

So the marching orders to conservatives is "vote for the person who is very much ike the other person but not yet a criminal and who will be checked and balanced." That's like " Brain cancer hurts less than bone cancer... we think"

How about this. I'll vote for someone I can stomach supporting. If the world burns because of my vote let that be a lesson to the people who support bone cancer or brain cancer. I have a concious. It won't let me vote for Hillary or Trump.

Posted by: The Sampo at September 09, 2016 04:47 PM (ArcGB)

442 How many days till the election/suicide? It can't come soon enough. So tired of all this crap.

Posted by: grammie winger lives in two houses at September 09, 2016 04:48 PM (bpfzP)

443 What IS the reddest state in the Nation? I think I should move there.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
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Weirdly, it should be New Hampshire... or maybe even Massachusetts. But, no. They took a bite of the socialist apple, and that was that.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2016 04:48 PM (9mTYi)

444 Cornyn would have the backing from the party and the Senate boy's club.

Cruz will not.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2016 04:45 PM (kdS6q)

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If only there were some electoral history we could use as a guide to see how he might do in such a situation.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2016 04:48 PM (2ROFd)

445 I sneakily chose the place Mommy wanted because I know who makes me cookies.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 04:37 PM (mf5HN)

Did you get the cookies agreed to in writing ahead of time?

Because I would think it would be more to your advantage to see which side was making the better offer before you made your decision. Highest bidder and all that.

Posted by: TexasDan at September 09, 2016 04:48 PM (FnuZG)

446 I'm having a hard time believing this. Explain.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:42 PM (Iy6JT)
Yeah yeah I'm not that stupid. So stop playing your games and spring your little trap.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 04:48 PM (gXKl3)

447 purge leftist operatives (doj lawyers in particular), starve the beast (flat tax?), constitutionalism: it really strikes to the heart of the framers' intent, to construct a limited government. they were all aware of the dangers of an all-powerful federal govt. obama's multifaceted push has been to erode local and state jurisdictions and rights. there must be a push against the federal regulatory incursions on state sovereignty. this is an important move.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 09, 2016 04:48 PM (WTSFk)

448 Back before the Primary, the bulk of conservatives were clamoring for a loud and proud, principled conservative. We ended up with loud and proud, but that's about it. Still better than Hillary.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 09, 2016 04:39 PM (2cS/G)

A principled conservative would be nice; since we don't have one right now I think the nationalist will do.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Defeatism, Despair, and Dismay - The Outrage Outlet for Sports and Elections at September 09, 2016 04:48 PM (hLRSq)

449 How many days till the election/suicide? It can't come soon enough. So tired of all this crap.

Posted by: grammie winger
--------------

Just remember, these are the good old days.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2016 04:49 PM (9mTYi)

450 Dude, I thought Aleppo was a Zeppelin fan.

Posted by: Gary Johnson at September 09, 2016 04:49 PM (HgMAr)

451 I don't buy that an actual conservative couldnt win this year.
>>>>>>>>>

OK . Name him. Or her.

I'll wait here.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 04:49 PM (zu88C)

452 "Yeah. Well. Stop trying to drive.

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at September 09, 2016 04:36 PM (iVM15) "

Psh. Chemjeff may as well change his name to Emmanuel Goldstein with the way most of the regulars treat him. If this was a movie, it's Cube, except you guys all ganged up on Chemjeff and killed him in the first 5 minutes, and now you're all fucked because no one else can do prime factorisations of large numbers in their head.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 09, 2016 04:49 PM (kumBu)

453 Posted by: L, Elle at September 09, 2016 04:46 PM (6IPEM)

Can Oklahomians carry concealed on campus? Do they have a state income tax? Do they have voter ID? Do they require abortion practitioners to adhere to hospital standards?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at September 09, 2016 04:50 PM (UGLi1)

454 Mort you SOB life is grand. Still summer here in Boston. Are you in the NE? I want to do a MoMe so bad but they're all in Ohio and Tejas and shit.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:50 PM (Iy6JT)

455 Therein lies what should be a President Trump's Top 10 Agenda Item: purging the left/'rat politicos from these agencies found to have joined the Democrat party cabal. 1st, the top managers, 2nd the minions that knew what they were doing was wrong.

Since firing is so tough with the union written rules, transfer them to a new Department of Proven Assholes and Asskissers, the purpose of which is to document their own misdeeds and apologize personally to those that suffered their wrongful acts as servants of the people.

Posted by: oddknot still frets at September 09, 2016 04:50 PM (g1MTt)

456 You're high.
...............

What gave me away?

Posted by: Gary Johnson at September 09, 2016 04:50 PM (HgMAr)

457 My experience with Trump is he surrounds himself with great people. I've never seen him with yes-men. Where do you get this stuff?

Posted by: MTF at September 09, 2016 04:42 PM (/m8T6)

My observation is Trump fires people who don't make the grade.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Defeatism, Despair, and Dismay - The Outrage Outlet for Sports and Elections at September 09, 2016 04:50 PM (hLRSq)

458 If this was a movie, it's Cube, except you guys all ganged up on Chemjeff and killed him in the first 5 minutes, and now you're all fucked because no one else can do prime factorisations of large numbers in their head.

Gah ... I saw that one ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 09, 2016 04:50 PM (fiGNd)

459 Just remember, these are the good old days.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2016 04:49 PM (9mTYi)
==============================================

Good thing I stocked up on Blue Sapphire.

Posted by: grammie winger lives in two houses at September 09, 2016 04:50 PM (bpfzP)

460 What IS the reddest state in the Nation? I think I should move there.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2016 04:44 PM (EnGQE)

i am gonna take a wild guess and say Wyoming...anyone can challenge me on that if they want

Posted by: runner at September 09, 2016 04:50 PM (c6/9Q)

461

I simply can't understand a person ESPECIALLY a nominal "conservative" who's personal hatred for Donald Trump exceeds their personal hatred for the pit of evil that is Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 04:51 PM (zu88C)

462 I must say I am gratified to read this column, and it says what I have been saying for months.
Republicans are idiots. yeah, we all knew that, but listen - they always, ALWAYS chase the wrong rabbit.

Setting up a private server was a corrupt act in and of itself. Whether confidential information was sent over it, whether it was hacked, is entirely irrelevant. The only purpose to not using free federal servers that are secure to avoid record-keeping. The existence of the system itself is ample evidence of corruption.

Setting up the Clinton Foundation is a corrupt act in and of itself. Why couldn't Bill work for an existing charity, any number of which would be thrilled to have an ex-president on their board? The only possible reason to set up a separate charity (with your name on it) is to facilitate corruption.

Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at September 09, 2016 04:52 PM (VPvxh)

463 Democrats will never join Republicans in impeaching and convicting Hillary no matter what the crimes but many Republicans would join Democrats in impeaching and convicting Trump for lesser crimes.

Its a safety valve.

Vote Trump.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at September 09, 2016 04:52 PM (j1Wvr)

464 When you're taking flak you're on target: I think you "doth protest too much."

Ace's point (and mine) isn't so much that you have to vote for Trump
but if your only criticisms are for Trump but ignore Hillary Clinton's
obvious corrupt and felonious behavior, that doesn't say much for the
integrity and motiviation of #NeverTrumpers.

Vote for whomever you want to. I really don't give a flying fvkc.
What is interesting to me is that people that originally weren't for
Trump (like me) can give cogent reasons why they have changed their
minds and will now vote for Trump. The #NeverTrumpers, on the other
hand, seem to rapidly devolve to name-calling and proclaiming that their
feelz are hurt.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 09, 2016 04:45 PM (5Yee7)

Name calling? Most of the name calling I've seen is from either LoveTrump or NeverHillary.
And I've never seen anyone NeverTrump not criticize Hillary.
You may not care who I vote for but ace sure seems to.And, as I've said, if you think Trump is the lesser of two evils I find that a reasonable position to take. But for many (I'm not saying you) that quickly becomes demands for loyalty and a refusal to call out Trump when he says stupid, incorrect or progressive things.
Or claims that the republic won't survive Hillary.

Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 04:52 PM (sv0ts)

465 I don't buy that an actual conservative couldnt win this year.
==========================================

Well, we're fresh out. Beating the dead horse isn't going to get him back on all fours.

Posted by: grammie winger lives in two houses at September 09, 2016 04:52 PM (bpfzP)

466 sh. Chemjeff may as well change his name to Emmanuel Goldstein with the way most of the regulars treat him. If this was a movie, it's Cube, except you guys all ganged up on Chemjeff and killed him in the first 5 minutes, and now you're all fucked because no one else can do prime factorisations of large numbers in their head.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 09, 2016 04:49 PM (kumBu)

Except we have no evidence that the one we killed, could do that either...

and besides.... he's still around...

Posted by: Don Q. at September 09, 2016 04:52 PM (qf6WZ)

467 Sheldon, is that you? I keed.
Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:44 PM (sbtm+)

Dude, it's nearly that bad. Not quite but nearly.

There was a place up the street from the old office that I ordered from so much they would make me anything I wanted, on menu or not. Which would be amusing because people in the office would be all I didn't know they made that and I would reply well they make it for me.

Then there was the schmancy place right across the street that did delivery for us including espressos and the like. Someone asked us how we managed that and I told them think about how much money we spent there for that to happen. The times we did eat in, they didn't even bother giving me a menu because I would get one of three things and they'd just bring me out one of them at random.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 04:52 PM (mf5HN)

468
What gave me away?
Posted by: Gary Johnson at September 09, 2016 04:50 PM (HgMAr)

Leppos are notorious stoners

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 09, 2016 04:53 PM (lKyWE)

469 TexasDan: "We have GOT to get Cornyn out."

Wise words indeed.

The GOP is what it is specifically because of the Cornyn caucus. He is leadership. He lives and is elected by one of the reddest states yet advocates (ultimately) moderately and intermittently (critically) Left.

He is the definition of national Chamber of Commerce cronyism.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 09, 2016 04:53 PM (1CroS)

470 OK . Name him. Or her.
-------------

Ronald Reagan.

He would have skewered her, skewered her good and hard.

Where, oh where, is the ghost of Lee Atwater when we need him?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2016 04:53 PM (9mTYi)

471 OK is solid red. Not a blue spot to be found.

Posted by: Soona

That reminds me, anyone else ever feel like vandalizing a car with one of those obnoxious "blue spot" stickers on it?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 09, 2016 04:53 PM (9krrF)

472 I had no idea that Cruz is on the ballot for the general election. Why discuss him when he basically became like Switzerland after his RNC speech?

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 09, 2016 04:53 PM (WT46P)

473 My experience with Trump is he surrounds himself with great people. I've
never seen him with yes-men. Where do you get this stuff?

Posted by: MTF at September 09, 2016 04:42 PM (/m8T6)

From all the tumult in the campaign earlier, it seemed obvious to me anyway that it was Trump's family who most had Trump's ear when it came to campaign staffing matters.

I think Trump listens to what his family says first and foremost, and then thinks about qualified people later.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 04:53 PM (gXKl3)

474 The reddest state in the union as a percentage of population is Utah. But that's with a tiny population.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at September 09, 2016 04:53 PM (WlGX+)

475 i'd say jill stein is a handsome woman.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 09, 2016 04:54 PM (WTSFk)

476 I have a concious. It won't let me vote for Hillary or Trump.
Posted by: The Sampo at September 09, 2016 04:47 PM (ArcGB)

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You sound like a French Pacifist spouting off in 1938.

The results are are going to be about the same.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 09, 2016 04:54 PM (8XRCm)

477 Well, we're fresh out. Beating the dead horse isn't going to get him back on all fours.

Hey ... how about you let me be the judge of that ?

Posted by: Hope Solo at September 09, 2016 04:54 PM (fiGNd)

478

As an ode to Jill Stein, I think I'll watch The Revenant tonight.

Fur trading...

I'll have to come up with something as an ode to Gary Johnson tomorrow night. (and, no, not Dude, Where's My Car? )

Weekend at Bernie's would have good if ole Bernie were still in it.

Clinton? I dunno. A horror flick...?
Dirty Rotten Scoundrels is too nice.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 09, 2016 04:54 PM (qCMvj)

479 Sorry, off topic, but I missed the previous thread about Britain banning surgical procedures for the obese for a year.
Yikes. If they did that in Michigan, half the population would be unable to get surgery. Surgeons would go broke.
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 09, 2016 04:46 PM (+lVUW)

Apparently, no one in GB is going to have bariatric surgery.

Posted by: Jen the original at September 09, 2016 04:55 PM (PcpNP)

480 By the way, on Jill Stein, she's been promising for years to release her tax returns but never has. She did release the first two pages of her 1040 in 2015, but not multiple years and nothing really informative.

It's interesting how politicians hate releasing their tax info. I guess I would also not want to do it, but I'm not running for President.

Posted by: MTF at September 09, 2016 04:55 PM (/m8T6)

481
now you're all fucked because no one else can do prime factorisations of large numbers in their head.

Or burn steaks in a fry pan.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 09, 2016 04:55 PM (IqV8l)

482 Posted by: The Sampo at September 09, 2016 04:47 PM (ArcGB)

Conservatism is weak sister sell out bull shit that hasn't closed a single agency despite decades of promoting small government. All they do is talk and all you want is to keep hearing it. You want to be free to bitch with Bill Krystol while Lefties take your kids away. Be gone and take the rot with you.

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at September 09, 2016 04:55 PM (iVM15)

483 472 I had no idea that Cruz is on the ballot for the general election. Why discuss him when he basically became like Switzerland after his RNC speech?
Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 09, 2016 04:53 PM (WT46P)
-------------------------------

Well, except for campaigning for down ballot races.

Oh, and trying desperately to block Obama from giving control of the internet away - you know, an actual, meaningful fight against globalization that no one else seems to be paying attention to.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 09, 2016 04:56 PM (OEi9w)

484 Delighted ... I must say DELIGHTED .. to see all the Jill Stein and Helen Mirren interest here ...

Posted by: Granny Fetish Sites Everywhere at September 09, 2016 04:56 PM (fiGNd)

485 The word you were looking for is "conscience", not "conscious". Are you aware of that? Probably not.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 09, 2016 04:56 PM (2cS/G)

486 Yeah yeah I'm not that stupid. So stop playing your games and spring your little trap.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 04:48 PM (gXKl3)

I was just trolling.

I'm at a point where I'm more convinced voting for the guy is the right thing to do than ever.

Back in the winter I thought he was slow-playing the process and would wait until the general to start making more coherent, eloquent, and devastating attacks and policy proposals. I see now that he really is what he appears to be - just a cranky smartass with a flair for media who built a multi-billion dollar real estate empire and now thinks he can run the Federal Gov't better than any of the clowns who've held office since Reagan.

And I'm more excited by that prospect, that we have a regular guy who will look at the federal contraption, the levers of power, the trappings of bureaucracy, the promise of pomp and circumstance and back room meetings and cocktail parties and trips to the hamptons that ensnares every "conservative" we've sent into Leviathan's lair in DC and say "what the fuck is all this shit?"

"I would rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University."
~William F. Buckley Jr.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:56 PM (Iy6JT)

487 I simply can't understand a person ESPECIALLY a
nominal "conservative" who's personal hatred for Donald Trump exceeds
their personal hatred for the pit of evil that is Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 04:51 PM (zu88C)
At least as far as I'm concerned, it isn't so much about individual people, as it is about the ideas that they represent. Suppose both Trump and Hillary were to drop dead tomorrow. It still wouldn't change the fact that we would have people on the left supporting socialism, and people on the right supporting capitalism. Both Trump and Hillary are people of the left, fundamentally, and they are both pushing leftist ideas, to one degree or another. Voting for someone pushing leftist ideas is endorsing those ideas.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 04:56 PM (gXKl3)

488 Can Oklahomians carry concealed on campus? Do they have a state income tax? Do they have voter ID? Do they require abortion practitioners to adhere to hospital standards?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at September 09, 2016 04:50 PM (UGLi1)

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Concealed on campus laws? No. But we do anyway. Voter ID? Very much so. And our balloting process has been looked at as a model for other states. And the TX law for hospital standards for abortion clinics was struck down by the courts. Anything else you'd like to enquire about?

Posted by: Soona at September 09, 2016 04:56 PM (Fmupd)

489
Name him. Or her.
Posted by: Mortimer

How about... Betty Jo Bialowski!?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2016 04:56 PM (kdS6q)

490 It's like atoms are just tiny solar systems. Got another cookie?

Posted by: Gary Johnson at September 09, 2016 04:56 PM (HgMAr)

491 The Republic won't survive Hillary?

Hell, man. It's already dead. Obama killed it. We're something else now.

Talk-talk isn't going to revive it either.

Adjust, adapt, and keep moving forward.

Posted by: Arnoldson Fastbiter at September 09, 2016 04:56 PM (mhx1O)

492 Posted by: Ghost of kari

I live in the land down under, where the air is made of Hot Syrup and fall arrives around November 30.

Georgia is a wonderful place with many delights, including the lack of state tax on retirement income. We got rid of a RINO and replaced him with another, but the general feeling outside of the godforsaken Atlanta blue zone is mostly red.

MoMees likely will have to wait until we need to determine the outcome of the election and the level of need for out little Fifth Column intel groups...er drunken suarees.

Much love , brah. I need to come to Boston in the springtime!

Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 04:56 PM (zu88C)

493 Conservatism is weak sister sell out bull shit that hasn't closed a single agency despite decades of promoting small government. All they do is talk and all you want is to keep hearing it. You want to be free to bitch with Bill Krystol while Lefties take your kids away. Be gone and take the rot with you.
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at September 09, 2016 04:55 PM (iVM15)
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And your alternative is... go on, name it.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 09, 2016 04:56 PM (OEi9w)

494 My conscience prevents me from murdering the person who scheduled a 4:30 conference call on a Friday. My conscience doesn't prevent me from pulling a lever in a popularity contest. The feels.

Posted by: nckate at September 09, 2016 04:57 PM (AHmrh)

495 409 I can only speak for myself, but he is *not* the candidate that I have been waiting for.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 04:40 PM (gXKl3)

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I think it's fair to say that Trump isn't the candidate most of us wanted, but he's all we got.

Yeah, I hate the fact I'm forced to vote against a candidate that is so loathsome, so vile, so detestable...yeah, I don't hate that so much after all...

If Hillary wins, we will not get another chance. She is so fucking compromised, and so fucking corrupt, this nation will not survive her term. Fuck, I doubt she would; then we would be saddled with that pedophilloic sidekick of hers.

13 cellphones missing/destoryed; (at least) a laptop currently missing.

I dunno about you chemjeff, but that's not helping me sleep at night.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at September 09, 2016 04:57 PM (rlfds)

496 now you're all fucked because no one else can do prime factorisations of large numbers in their head.

Or burn steaks in a fry pan.
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Still can't turn my oven on and started a fire in the dryer. A big step up from me.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 09, 2016 04:57 PM (MIKMs)

497 From all the tumult in the campaign earlier, it seemed obvious to me anyway that it was Trump's family who most had Trump's ear when it came to campaign staffing matters.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 04:53 PM (gXKl3)

Yeah well then his fucking kids are crushing it.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:57 PM (Iy6JT)

498 The times we did eat in, they didn't even bother giving me a menu because I would get one of three things and they'd just bring me out one of them at random.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at September 09, 2016 04:52 PM (mf5HN)

Sounds like you're one of those "I'd like a Cinnamon Dulce Latte-- waaait a minute, is that " Saigon Cinnamon", or "Ceylon Cinnamon"? - cause if it's Saigon I don't want it cause it's really acacia, so then make me a, ummm,....
kind of girl.
Too harsh?

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 04:57 PM (sbtm+)

499 Cruz could have been the man of the hour, made his speech into the highlight of the convention, unified the party in a single moment, and secured a spot for himself on the supreme court if he had put aside his pride and endorsed Trump.

I agree, he had a huge chance to step up and be the man and he was the little guy.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 09, 2016 04:57 PM (39g3+)

500 I like the term the Last Refuse uses "Battered Conservative Syndrome"

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 09, 2016 04:58 PM (WT46P)

501 Where is the evidence that Donald Trump supports the balance of powers and the rule of law? That's right, there isn't any. Indeed, he doesn't even seem to understand the those terms. On the other hand there is a lot of evidence he holds the same world view as his good friends, Bill and Hillary Clinton.

I have never made a dime from politics. I also don't vote for skunks. So if you want to delude yourself into seeing an ignorant, lying, degenerate conman as some sort of savior of the Republic, go right ahead. Just don't look to honest, sane people like me for moral support in this farcical election.

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at September 09, 2016 04:58 PM (XmLtq)

502 Oh, and yes we do have a state income tax. But our property taxes are but a fraction of those in TX.

Posted by: Soona at September 09, 2016 04:58 PM (Fmupd)

503 >>>By the way, on Jill Stein, she's been promising for
years to release her tax returns but never has. She did release the
first two pages of her 1040 in 2015, but not multiple years and nothing
really informative.

It's interesting how politicians hate releasing their tax info. I
guess I would also not want to do it, but I'm not running for President.
Posted by: MTF at September 09, 2016 04:55 PM (/m8T6)<<<

Disgusting! She's probably got 4 houses, or something. What a filthy 1%er fraud.

Posted by: Comrade Sanders, relaxing in his 3rd dacha by the lake at September 09, 2016 04:59 PM (H9MG5)

504 >> Yeah well then his fucking kids are crushing it.

So we get to replace CBS News with the Observer as the House Organ Of The Federal Administration.

Sounds like a win to me.

Posted by: JEM at September 09, 2016 04:59 PM (TppKb)

505 How about... Betty Jo Bialowski!?

>>>>>>>>>>>..

I could write-in Zombie Calvin Coolidge. In his current state he could outperform most of the presidents for the last century.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 04:59 PM (zu88C)

506 And your alternative is... go on, name it.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 09, 2016 04:56 PM (OEi9w)
Well, the alternative, evidently, is Trumpism. Which is, closed-border socialism.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 04:59 PM (gXKl3)

507 "Maybe he just should have refrained from shitting on it. Maybe.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 09, 2016 04:39 PM (8ZskC) "

So basically you wanted Cruz, the guy who most other Senators dislike because he doesn't act like everyone else (you know, he cares about principles and doesn't just go through the motions) to...act like everyone else?

Smile, wave, kiss babies, say that Trump is the most conservative nominee since Goldwater and that if he could, he'd vote for him 100 times? Get Kasich to do that shit - he's a nasty little bootlicker. And since only winning matters, he was just as much of a 'runner-up' as Cruz was. There's no silver medal - the primary is Ricky Bobby territory; if you're not first, you're last.

And we didn't need Cruz to give a 'unification' speech. I was a Cruz supporter. I'm voting for Trump because it's the right thing to do. I don't need Ted's fucking permission. But it's baffling to see the Trump fans, *after winning the fucking primary*, still want to destroy the career of one of our best soldiers because he had the temerity to not wave the pom-poms quite vigorously enough for Donald after the primary was over.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 09, 2016 05:00 PM (kumBu)

508 484 Delighted ... I must say DELIGHTED .. to see all the Jill Stein and Helen Mirren interest here ...
Posted by: Granny Fetish Sites Everywhere at September 09, 2016 04:56 PM (fiGNd)

I only asked " for a friend". Sheesh.
My lawn, off it.

Posted by: tubal at September 09, 2016 05:00 PM (sbtm+)

509 I take second place to no one in my loathing and disgust of Donald Trump. I wouldn't want to ride in an elevator with him, go to dinner with him, or have him in my home. He alienates me with every breath that he exhales. He is a liberal pro-abortion NorthEastern blow-hard bumble-head who most likely farts in public. Yet I will vote for him, despite the fact that I wish he would step into a giant sink-hole, preferably off the coast of Maine. If I can do it, you can do it.

Posted by: grammie winger lives in two houses at September 09, 2016 05:00 PM (bpfzP)

510 Conservatism is weak sister sell out bull shit that hasn't closed a single agency despite decades of promoting small government. All they do is talk and all you want is to keep hearing it. You want to be free to bitch with Bill Krystol while Lefties take your kids away. Be gone and take the rot with you.

Harrumph! Harrumph!

Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 05:00 PM (gJBE5)

511
I think it's fair to say that Trump isn't the candidate most of us wanted, but he's all we got.

Its funny because some talking head on Fox couldn't figure out why Trump was using You Can't Always Get What You Want as bumper music at his rallies

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 09, 2016 05:01 PM (lKyWE)

512 And this is what a lot of you all don't get or just refuse to get. ...
Hillary = Socialism with open borders
Trump = Socialism with closed borders
Either way, it's socialism.

Let's assume you're right. The difference you highlight is more than enough to justify voting for Trump. The country might recover from socialism, but not if the electorate is permanently skewed in its favor. Talk about refusing to get it.

Posted by: pep at September 09, 2016 05:01 PM (LAe3v)

513 By the way, on Jill Stein, she's been promising for years to release her tax returns but never has.
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Same Hill said in a 'debate' with Bernie about her Goldman Sachs speeches. In fairness she added, "If I can get around to it."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2016 05:01 PM (9mTYi)

514 Yeah well then his fucking kids are crushing it.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:57 PM (Iy6JT)
This would include the daughter who is not only a Democrat, but who hosted fundraisers for Cory Booker's Senate campaign in New Jersey.....

Trump's proposal for tax credits for daycare? That came from her...

Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 05:01 PM (gXKl3)

515 OT. A federal judge this afternoon refused to order a halt to the North Dakota pipleline being built underground that crosses over Sioux reservation land, etc.

I keep getting feeds on Facebook about this, as a large protest group of Sioux Indians and other tribes have been forming for a couple of weeks on the Standing Rock reservation( Yes, not far from Wounded Knee). They are getting a lot of sympathy, especially from the SJW's and the environuts.
The tribe says that the company installing the pipeline has simply bulldozed through the reservation, digging up archeological sites and burial grounds with no regard to them.

So now their lawsuit they filed has been denied. However.....here comes Obama and company to the rescue. The Army Corp of Engineers stated this afternoon that they will not allow the company to bury pipeline on ground owned by the Corp until umpteen more studies have been done.

Can anyone from that area actually enlighten us on what is truly going on with this pipeline(Runs from the Dakotas to Illinois)

Posted by: Jen the original at September 09, 2016 05:02 PM (PcpNP)

516 >> Disgusting! She's probably got 4 houses, or
>> something. What a filthy 1%er fraud.

From Wikipedia:

In 1973, Stein graduated magna cum laude from Harvard

In other words, further evidence for my position that over the past fifty years Harvard has been the one entity most damaging to US interests, not excluding the USSR/Russia, Al Qaeda, Iran, etc.

Posted by: JEM at September 09, 2016 05:02 PM (TppKb)

517 Yeah well then his fucking kids are crushing it.

So we get to replace CBS News with the Observer as the House Organ Of The Federal Administration.

Sounds like a win to me.

Posted by: JEM at September 09, 2016 04:59 PM (TppKb)
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My understanding is that DT is flacking for the National Enquirer. (They should get a Pulitzer, etc.)

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 09, 2016 05:02 PM (MIKMs)

518
if you want to delude yourself into seeing an ignorant, lying, degenerate conman as some sort of savior of the Republic, go right ahead. Just don't look to honest, sane people like me for moral support in this farcical election.
Posted by: NC Mountain Girl

OK, we'll just pencil you in as a "maybe" for now.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2016 05:03 PM (kdS6q)

519 >> Can anyone from that area actually enlighten us on
>> what is truly going on with this pipeline(Runs from
>> the Dakotas to Illinois)

In other words, who's paying off the Indians?

Posted by: JEM at September 09, 2016 05:03 PM (TppKb)

520 Conservatism is weak sister sell out bull shit that hasn't closed a single agency despite decades of promoting small government. All they do is talk and all you want is to keep hearing it.
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Straw man. They aren't conservatives. Neither are Democrats 'liberals'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2016 05:03 PM (9mTYi)

521 I think it's fair to say that Trump isn't the candidate most of us wanted, but he's all we got.

Yeah, I hate the fact I'm forced to vote against a candidate that is so loathsome, so vile, so detestable...yeah, I don't hate that so much after all...

Welcome to the club. Been doing that since '88. Poppa Bush wasn't my first choice.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 09, 2016 05:04 PM (gJBE5)

522 Suspend preening.

NOOD

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 09, 2016 05:04 PM (8ZskC)

523 Pretend the world and/or the Republic won't end by 2020.

What does the Republican party look like at the end of 4 years of Trump. He has already dramatically reshaped the party - polls show a massive surge in GOP opposition to free trade and in favor of Putin. And that's just as a candidate.

What do you think he does to ideas of Federalism? Small government? Constitutionalism? Those have had a bad time under the wishy-washy GOPe, but under Trump do Conservatives just dismiss those, write them off completely?

Are we really better off with two parties that agree on most basic principles and simply offer different forms of identity politics? Are we better off as Europe?

If you think that Clinton will end the nation, set up camps, etc. - if you think that, you MUST vote Trump. No question. But if you don't, you can consider what happens after 2020.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 09, 2016 05:04 PM (OEi9w)

524 In other words, who's paying off the Indians?
Posted by: JEM
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Big Liquor?

Posted by: Anon at September 09, 2016 05:04 PM (9mTYi)

525 Hillary = Socialism with open borders
Trump = Socialism with closed borders
Either way, it's socialism.

>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
Carter was socialism with open borders.
Reagan was socialism with closed borders /then open borders.
Bush was socialism with open borders.
Clinton was socialism with open borders.
W was socialism aka "compassionate conservatism" with open borders.

If that is your measuring stick, you are completely unconvincing.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 05:05 PM (zu88C)

526 >> My understanding is that DT is flacking for the
>> National Enquirer. (They should get a Pulitzer, etc.)

Trump's son-in-law (Ivanka's husband) runs the Observer.

Which is why you see all the disclaimers on articles over there.

Which you never see on CBS pieces about the Obama administration, despite the malign Rhodes influence.

Posted by: JEM at September 09, 2016 05:05 PM (TppKb)

527
Suspend preening. NOOD
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)

Come on everyone! Help herd the moral peacocks into the next thread.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2016 05:05 PM (kdS6q)

528 You would not prosecute anybody with severe Vascular Dementia. They are going to die anyways and they are not competent to stand trial.

...

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right

You don't know me very well.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 09, 2016 04:26 PM (2ktpL)

Like the Israeli Nazi-hunters, you come in and shoot them on their deathbeds.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at September 09, 2016 05:06 PM (kKHcp)

529 523 Pretend the world and/or the Republic won't end by 2020.

What does the Republican party look like at the end of 4 years of Trump. He has already dramatically reshaped the party - polls show a massive surge in GOP opposition to free trade and in favor of Putin. And that's just as a candidate.

What do you think he does to ideas of Federalism? Small government? Constitutionalism? Those have had a bad time under the wishy-washy GOPe, but under Trump do Conservatives just dismiss those, write them off completely?

Are we really better off with two parties that agree on most basic principles and simply offer different forms of identity politics? Are we better off as Europe?

If you think that Clinton will end the nation, set up camps, etc. - if you think that, you MUST vote Trump. No question. But if you don't, you can consider what happens after 2020.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 09, 2016 05:04 PM (OEi9w)
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To add to this, what happens to the pro-life movement? How does Trump effect the party's stance on that rather vital issue? How about other SoCon issues?

Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 09, 2016 05:06 PM (OEi9w)

530 "Gah ... I saw that one ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 09, 2016 04:50 PM (fiGNd) "

Cube was good, Cube 2 was shitty, Cube Zero was good but it made the 'mythos' really fucking weird.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 09, 2016 05:07 PM (kumBu)

531 483 472 I had no idea that Cruz is on the ballot for the general election. Why discuss him when he basically became like Switzerland after his RNC speech?
Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 09, 2016 04:53 PM (WT46P)
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Well, except for campaigning for down ballot races.

Oh, and trying desperately to block Obama from giving control of the internet away - you know, an actual, meaningful fight against globalization that no one else seems to be paying attention to.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 09, 2016 04:56 PM (OEi9w)

I pray he succeeds in blocking the internet.

But all the republicans in office are all talk and do nothing to stop The Left/Globalists at the end of the day. If they did we would not be as fucked as we are.

6 years wiith legeslative power and have done nothing to hold anybody accountable for their crimes and other violations. Not to menetion they helped pass the Globalist agenda.

Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 09, 2016 05:07 PM (WT46P)

532 >> Welcome to the club. Been doing that since '88.
>> Poppa Bush wasn't my first choice.

My first Presidential vote was 1980.

The problem is that we haven't had someone who shapes up to Reagan since the 1984 poll.

Posted by: JEM at September 09, 2016 05:08 PM (TppKb)

533 ""I would rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University."
~William F. Buckley Jr.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:56 PM (Iy6JT) "

WFB was a bit biased as a Yale man.

And Trump is a 'regular guy'? I mean, he's not your average politician, but he's not Joe Sixpack either.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 09, 2016 05:08 PM (kumBu)

534 Help me Nathan Johnson, You're our only hope.

Posted by: Evan Mc Muffin at September 09, 2016 05:08 PM (ndGCC)

535 If you think that Clinton will end the nation, set
up camps, etc. - if you think that, you MUST vote Trump. No question.
But if you don't, you can consider what happens after 2020.

Posted by: person(a non grata)

You really don't get the concept of an irreversible step, do you?

Posted by: pep at September 09, 2016 05:09 PM (LAe3v)

536 To add to this, what happens to the pro-life movement? How does Trump
effect the party's stance on that rather vital issue? How about other
SoCon issues?

>>>>>>.

HAHAHAHAHA

"The party's stance"

You mean the GOP that voted to fund Planned Parenthood AFTER the videos were released?

THAT party stance?

Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 05:09 PM (zu88C)

537 This would include the daughter who is not only a Democrat, but who hosted fundraisers for Cory Booker's Senate campaign in New Jersey.....Trump's proposal for tax credits for daycare? That came from her...Posted by: chemjeff

First off, at one time Cory Booker was an object of admiration by conservatives. You can research that, or not, I give zero shits.

Second, letting mothers 'right off' costs associated with earning money isn't some left-wing commie plot. Every business rights off costs. A working mother should be no different.

That's capitalism. You should learn about it.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 09, 2016 05:09 PM (ZFUt7)

538 OK, we'll just pencil you in as a "maybe" for now.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 09, 2016 05:03 PM (kdS6q)

You owe me a keyboard....

Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2016 05:09 PM (Enq6K)

539 To add to this, what happens to the pro-life movement? How does Trump effect the party's stance on that rather vital issue?
========================================

I'd imagine he'll do what the GOP has always done to this point. Talk talk talk and then do nothing at all. The main reason I vote GOP is because of Life issues. I've been played. Same as blacks have by the Dems.

Posted by: grammie winger lives in two houses at September 09, 2016 05:09 PM (bpfzP)

540 6 years wiith legeslative power and have done nothing to hold anybody accountable for their crimes and other violations. Not to menetion they helped pass the Globalist agenda.
Posted by: Pepe, founder of the fn-right at September 09, 2016 05:07 PM (WT46P)
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They ain't been great. But that's six years with a president ready to veto anything they did. And they have stopped him on several issues - no gun control, for instance.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 09, 2016 05:09 PM (OEi9w)

541 "In other words, who's paying off the Indians?
Posted by: JEM "

Larry Dolan. Duh.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 09, 2016 05:10 PM (kumBu)

542 Or claims that the republic won't survive Hillary.

Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 04:52 PM (sv0ts)

We are going to have to agree to disagree. But you are incorrect when you say all the #NeverTrumpers criticize Hillary Clinton; many of them don't.

Hillary Clinton is a loathsome, utterly corrupt, venal, treasonous sociopath. This is a person who got kicked off the Senatorial (?) Watergate investigative team when she was a young attorney for unethical behavior. I don't think the Constitutional Republic will survive her if she is elected POTUS.

Donald Trump is a guy with a yuuuuge ego that views business as a full-contact sport. Maybe he wants to sell influence but I don't know that for certain. I am absolutely certain Hillary Clinton will sell access to the White House and take revenge on all the people that she perceives as slighting her over the years.

For me the choice is pretty simple. Do you really think Jeb Bush (the first pick by the GOPe) would be calling her "Crooked Hillary?" He would be telling Republicans how disappointed he was in them and then give a graceful concession speech.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 09, 2016 05:10 PM (5Yee7)

543 Turning into a Sean Hannity echo chamber is not a direction I thought this blog would go, I have to admit.

Posted by: NeverTrump at September 09, 2016 05:11 PM (M/9Pj)

544 HAHAHAHAHA

"The party's stance"

You mean the GOP that voted to fund Planned Parenthood AFTER the videos were released?

THAT party stance?
Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 05:09 PM (zu88C)
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So the solution is to elect a big fan of PP? Again, how do you think he will shift opinions within the party?

Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 09, 2016 05:11 PM (OEi9w)

545 as weft cut loop noted last thread (paraphrased)

all we need is just 1/2 of 1/3 more of the government and then AND THEN ...

Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 05:11 PM (zu88C)

546
Node? That racist.

I get into trouble on the racists threads.

So back to reading about famous Greek generals from twenty-five hundred years ago.

Oh, the author of the piece made the offhand remark that he didn't agree with the conclusions of another historian and ignored those conclusions to advance his own conclusions which remined me of a paragraph in "God Emperor of Dune" where the worm orders the history books burned, and the historians who wrote those books thrown into the burning pyre.

(The Worm was three thousand years old at the time and was present at the historical events the historians were writing about and the worm knew what happened as the historians rewrote history.)

Ok, so I was confused about the Irish goodbye and had to look it up. So if anyone wants to hash this out in the driveway, this could go on four hours.

Or not, because I'm leaving. Good bye and good luck with the racist post.

Posted by: Arnoldson Fastbiter at September 09, 2016 05:11 PM (mhx1O)

547 I've never talked about tone or values or principles. I'm talking about beating global socialism, for once, in November.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at September 09, 2016 04:24 PM (Iy6JT)

That's right! Now that the banks are nationalized and I'm going to see to it that the government pays for everyone's healthcare, the rest of the world will follow my terriffic lead!

Posted by: Conald, the Orange Menace at September 09, 2016 05:11 PM (YeKKY)

548 Again, how do you think he will shift opinions within the party?

>>>>>>>

NOT. ONE. INCH.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 05:12 PM (zu88C)

549 86
I'd like to see Trump, first day, eliminate public employee unions.

Posted by: Golfman at September 09, 2016 03:49 PM (FPXoh)
++
Me too. Not likely, legally. What Trump probably can do, like Governor Scott Walker did in Wisconsin, is stop the auto-deduct of union dues from fed paychecks and make the unions collect their own dues. This alone caused public employee union membership in Wisconsin to plunge something like 60%-70%. Hence TWO statewide recall elections funded by national unions against Walker. Both Walker won (big old butt hurt in the unions those times).Perchance to dream a like effort by Trump..

Posted by: oddknot still frets at September 09, 2016 05:13 PM (g1MTt)

550 NOT. ONE. INCH.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 05:12 PM (zu88C)
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Except he is shifting opinion. As I said, look at changes in GOP thought about free trade and Putin.

VoterMom said this is a change election. She's right. People need to be very clear on what kind of change that is.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 09, 2016 05:13 PM (OEi9w)

551 543
Turning into a Sean Hannity echo chamber is not a direction I thought this blog would go, I have to admit.

Posted by: NeverTrump

Ow. Ow. OWWWWW. Stop it or I'll set myself on fire.

Posted by: Scarecrow at September 09, 2016 05:14 PM (LAe3v)

552 Again, how do you think he will shift opinions within the party?

Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 09, 2016 05:11 PM (OEi9w)
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Read My Lips: Whatever "party" there is? We're not in it. Not now. Not anymore. The party has done left the building. Party Number 2 has merged with Party Number 1. What you think is left, is not.

Posted by: grammie winger lives in two houses at September 09, 2016 05:14 PM (bpfzP)

553 "I agree, he had a huge chance to step up and be the man and he was the little guy.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 09, 2016 04:57 PM (39g3+) "

Objection: Can't argue the counterfactual.

It's always "Oh, had Cruz done this, we'd totally respect him and see why you guys wanted him as the nominee." I'm calling bullshit. It's tribe vs. tribe. Cruz was the only real player to take an actual swing at Trump, so he is forever an unperson. Witness the people on this thread who want him frog-marched out of politics to invariably be replaced by someone more liberal, more establishment, more bought and paid for.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 09, 2016 05:14 PM (kumBu)

554 First off, at one time Cory Booker was an object of
admiration by conservatives. You can research that, or not, I give zero
shits.

Even if I did believe it - which I don't - whatever conservative praise for Cory Booker there was, wasn't the reason that Trump's DEMOCRAT daughter was hosting fundraisers for him.

Second, letting mothers 'right off' costs associated with earning
money isn't some left-wing commie plot. Every business rights off costs.
A working mother should be no different.

That's capitalism. You should learn about it.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 09, 2016 05:09 PM (ZFUt7)
First, it's "write", not "right". Second, one might question the incentives associated with such a proposal. Should the government be incentivizing families to be dumping their kids off at day care?

Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 05:15 PM (gXKl3)

555 Did Donald Trump vote to fund Planned Parenthood?

NO.

No he did not.

The GOP party that you are so worried about did though. They controlled the purse strings and they FREELY gave those baby butchers millions.

You are projecting your issues on DJT the man.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 05:15 PM (zu88C)

556 "It's not even a legitimate foundation, because it is supposed to be
solely for the Clinton presidential library, but then they morphed it
into all sorts of other 'charitable' endeavors, without getting
authorization from the IRS (or anybody else), and they just keep
expanding it, with all sorts of bogus 'initiatives' and nobody in
government does squat about it."

From a _Daily Caller_ piece:

"During the foundation's first six full years of existence from 1998 to
2004, the tight-knit circle of Clinton insiders progressively
misrepresented in annual tax filings the non-profit's activities and
compliance with its exempt purpose."

Note the timing. Through 2004.

George W. Bush could have immediately nipped this in the bud with one phone call to the IRS to _enforce the damn law_.

Except for the fact that doing so would have undermined the amicably cozy ties between the Bushes' dynastic political family, and the Clintons' dynastic political family.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 09, 2016 05:16 PM (noWW6)

557 Read My Lips: Whatever "party" there is? We're not in it. Not now. Not anymore. The party has done left the building. Party Number 2 has merged with Party Number 1. What you think is left, is not.
Posted by: grammie winger lives in two houses at September 09, 2016 05:14 PM (bpfzP)
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Then a new party will emerge, because the American system is set up for 2. If we are in the midst of a major party reallignment (and we may be), it's even more vital to consider how we want at least one of those parties to look.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 09, 2016 05:16 PM (OEi9w)

558 chemjeff, you're awfully close to becoming troll-like.

Ivanka hosted a Booker fundraiser because her in-laws have been Booker funders for years. Besides, it's New Jersey, even Republicans give to Booker. Christie did ads with Booker, for crying out loud.

Give it a rest, please.

On the "closed-border socialism" screed, we can agree to disagree but Trump's policies will probably be based first on dealing with the economy, restoring some job growth and trying to grow incomes. He's been pretty clear on that. The borders thing fits there and on national security, where only an idiot would want to continue open borders with little or no vetting. Since you're not an idiot I assume you are in favor of strong border security, like Trump.

All in all, though he's long been a centrist Manhattan sort of Democrat/sort of Republican, he's a long way from socialist. Except on ObamaCare- and we will have a fight with him on ObamaCare.

Posted by: MTF at September 09, 2016 05:17 PM (/m8T6)

559 it's even more vital to consider how we want at least one of those parties to look.
------------

NOT Like Hillary FKN Clinton.

How about that? Can you dig it? Can you grok it?

Done.

Out.

Next thread.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 05:18 PM (zu88C)

560 "Then a new party will emerge, because the American system is set up for 2. If we are in the midst of a major party reallignment (and we may be), it's even more vital to consider how we want at least one of those parties to look.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 09, 2016 05:16 PM (OEi9w) "

One day, a real rain will come. Until then....

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 09, 2016 05:18 PM (kumBu)

561 You are projecting your issues on DJT the man.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 05:15 PM (zu88C)
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No, I'm listening to what he says.

If Trump gets elected, a lot of people are going to watch with mouths agape as he does the things he says he'll do. And then they'll stutter "I never thought he'd do THAT..."

Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 09, 2016 05:19 PM (OEi9w)

562 If we are in the midst of a major party
reallignment (and we may be), it's even more vital to consider how we
want at least one of those parties to look.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at September 09, 2016 05:16 PM (OEi9w)
==============================================

And this is where voting for Trump comes in, at least for me. Having Trump in there as a placeholder gives us 4 years to figure out where we go from here. With Clinton in the White House, the only thing we'll be figuring out is how to survive. Whats-his-name's hierarchy of needs.

Posted by: grammie winger lives in two houses at September 09, 2016 05:20 PM (bpfzP)

563 "If Trump gets elected, a lot of people are going to watch with mouths agape as he does the things he says he'll do. "

Amen to that. What he's been saying Is All Good Man.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 09, 2016 05:21 PM (r1fLd)

564 Pro Trump crowd: "Cruz is the Devil Vote for the guy who loves Planned Parenthood (did you know they sell baby parts?) or your for the woman who loves planned parenthood."

Who are you people?

What would be really cool is a political party for conservatives. That obviously isn't either of the two main parties.

Posted by: The Sampo at September 09, 2016 05:21 PM (ArcGB)

565 If Trump gets elected, a lot of people are going to
watch with mouths agape as he does the things he says he'll do. And
then they'll stutter "I never thought he'd do THAT..."

Posted by: person(a non grata)

Given that I despise him, it would be difficult for The Donald to surprise or disappoint me. He does, however, remain a wild card. Hillary does not. I know exactly what she'll do. The fact that you can't or won't grasp that says more about you than Trump.

Posted by: pep at September 09, 2016 05:23 PM (LAe3v)

566 What would be really cool is a political party for conservatives.
============================================

Sounds good to me. Start one and I'll join up.

Posted by: grammie winger lives in two houses at September 09, 2016 05:24 PM (bpfzP)

567 Lord, I hope it rains- this humidity is brutal

Posted by: MTF at September 09, 2016 05:25 PM (/m8T6)

568 "The #NeverTrumpers -- who are really Hillary supporters..."

ACE?
Is the "no personal attacks on supporters" rule still in play?
Why am I asking... Clearly it is not..

Trumpers, who are really fascist authoritarian Putin supporting lunatics who hate a free country and want an authoritarian dictatorial reign simply love them an idiot as stupid as the NoRk's rules so they can praise their Dear Leader and attack anyone who disrespects him..

That's fair game, right?
No?
Then quit this STUPID FUCKING LYING BULLSHIT.

If you get to claim you're reading my fucking mind and tell me what I'm thinking; I get to do the same fucking bullshit to you.

Not work for you? Fine.
Ban me for going EXACTLY as far as you went if you want.

But expecting people to take this shit from you directly; while you ban others for this same crap seems really fucking stupid to me.

Posted by: gekkobear at September 09, 2016 05:28 PM (2iR3c)

569 Six words, folks. Six words, if Hillary takes Power --

SUPREME COURT JUSTICE BARRY HUSSAIN OBAMA.

Posted by: Beverly at September 09, 2016 05:29 PM (4bM/V)

570 ace's house. ace's rules.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 09, 2016 05:30 PM (zu88C)

571 For me, #NeverTrump means I really hope Hillary loses and goes to prison and then they prison catches fire and Hillary is slowly cooked. At the same time I am afraid of Trump winning because his past statements make it clear he couldn't pick the Bill of Rights out of a lineup. "I'll force the military to torture the family of terrorists" and his support for terror list gun ban. Those things should make any person worry.

Posted by: The Sampo at September 09, 2016 05:33 PM (ArcGB)

572 "SUPREME COURT JUSTICE BARRY HUSSAIN OBAMA.

Posted by: Beverly at September 09, 2016 05:29 PM (4bM/V) "

That would require work. He's just going to play golf and hold 25K-a-plate dinner fundraisers where he gives a 5 minute speech and shakes a few hands.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 09, 2016 05:33 PM (kumBu)

573 chemjeff, you're awfully close to becoming troll-like.

****

LOL. Close?

Posted by: dagny at September 09, 2016 05:33 PM (brElc)

574 I agree with 568. I'd quote it but my phone browser skillz are weak.

Also. I miss the podcast...

Posted by: The Sampo at September 09, 2016 05:35 PM (ArcGB)

575 This is what 'burn it down' looks like.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 09, 2016 04:37 PM (V3IFq)

Weird. Elect a lifelong dem as the pube candidate and expect everything to magically get fixed. Obots 2.0

Posted by: RushBabe at September 09, 2016 05:41 PM (YeKKY)

576 "Also. I miss the podcast...

Posted by: The Sampo at September 09, 2016 05:35 PM (ArcGB) "

Ace is too busy with his GAINZ now, bruh. Maybe eventually he can work Intermittent Podcasting into his routine.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at September 09, 2016 05:42 PM (kumBu)

577 "Yes - we must form a coalition. So of course it's paramount to misrepresent NeverTrump, call them moral cowards, and self-interested.

You've done it ace - after the 1,000th time of being told I'm really a Hillary supporter and have ulterior self-centered motives you've convinced me.

Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 03:36 PM (sv0ts) "

So you recognize the need to form a coalition, but you will nevertheless align yourself with the opposition. Because mean people like Ace have offended you with insufficient levels of genuflection and pandering.

I couldn't define self-interested moral cowardice any better if I'd written your post myself. Thanks!

The moral preening of NeverTrump is facile masturbatory nonsense. They're petulant children endlessly indignant that the rest of us won't acknowledge their superior moral and intellectual capacity.

They themselves embody the immaturity, dishonesty, and irrationality that they project on everyone else. It's sad to see so many on the right have been so deeply infected with virulent SJW tendencies, but I suppose it was inevitable.

Posted by: GalosGann at September 09, 2016 05:47 PM (md1b/)

578 You made Bill Kristol's butt hurt.

Posted by: TexasJew at September 09, 2016 05:47 PM (oRVXz)

579 He could fast during the podcast!

Posted by: The Sampo at September 09, 2016 05:47 PM (ArcGB)

580 The NeverTrump folks use a logic system once known only to former Minority Leader Bob Michel.

Posted by: TexasJew at September 09, 2016 05:49 PM (oRVXz)

581 I never expected to see the day when I would be called so many names because I won't vote for the other progessive in the race.

Posted by: The Sampo at September 09, 2016 05:51 PM (ArcGB)

582 So you recognize the need to form a coalition, but
you will nevertheless align yourself with the opposition. Because mean
people like Ace have offended you with insufficient levels of
genuflection and pandering.

I couldn't define self-interested moral cowardice any better if I'd written your post myself. Thanks!

Posted by: GalosGann at September 09, 2016 05:47 PM (md1b/)

Shorter take...
I can read your fucking mind and I know exactly what you think; if you don't do as I say I'll "read your mind" some more and claim you think even worse things.

You think that moves the needle?
You're right. I love you now and MUST have your babies...
How could we not unite with you when you're smarter than we are at knowing our own fucking thoughts?

Posted by: gekkobear at September 09, 2016 05:51 PM (2iR3c)

583 Propably get willowed, but on that pipeline deal in the Dakotas, I read somewhere it was on land adjacent to the reservation, but the tribe(You may read that as environazis) found artifacts on adjacent land that made said land "sacred".

Posted by: Subterranean JT at September 09, 2016 05:53 PM (qG0hz)

584 Trump fans use to tell Repuplicans to stick it when they made this exact argument. If Nancy and Harry run Congess--you can't let Obama win.

That was unacceptable to them.

Now---even if every registered Republican jumps on the train --you still lose.

Registered Tepublisns aren't your problem--or your scapegoat.

Independents are your problem, and your candidate is a problem, he lacks something....charm perhaps---maybe it's something even more than that.

Posted by: Oy at September 09, 2016 05:56 PM (fi5nC)

585 "Sacred lands" require extra bribes to the Tribe.

Posted by: The Sampo at September 09, 2016 05:56 PM (ArcGB)

586 edit: Registered *Republicans* aren't your problem.

Posted by: Oy at September 09, 2016 05:57 PM (fi5nC)

587 It's squat time for Ace isn't it?

Posted by: Oy at September 09, 2016 05:58 PM (fi5nC)

588 The GOP party that you are so worried about did though. They controlled
the purse strings and they FREELY gave those baby butchers millions.

And what is Trump's position on the baby butchers?

http://tinyurl.com/qazkej6 (Breitbart link, btw)

He is open to funding them too.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 06:01 PM (gXKl3)

589 571 For me, #NeverTrump means I really hope Hillary loses and goes to prison and then they prison catches fire and Hillary is slowly cooked. At the same time I am afraid of Trump winning because his past statements make it clear he couldn't pick the Bill of Rights out of a lineup. "I'll force the military to torture the family of terrorists" and his support for terror list gun ban. Those things should make any person worry.
Posted by: The Sampo at September 09, 2016 05:33 PM (ArcGB)

---

You do realize that if Trump does win, the media, Congress, etc. will suddenly do their jobs, right?

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at September 09, 2016 06:02 PM (rlfds)

590 So you recognize the need to form a coalition, but
you will nevertheless align yourself with the opposition. Because mean
people like Ace have offended you with insufficient levels of
genuflection and pandering.

I couldn't define self-interested moral cowardice any better if I'd written your post myself. Thanks!

The moral preening of NeverTrump is facile masturbatory nonsense.
They're petulant children endlessly indignant that the rest of us won't
acknowledge their superior moral and intellectual capacity.

They themselves embody the immaturity, dishonesty, and irrationality
that they project on everyone else. It's sad to see so many on the
right have been so deeply infected with virulent SJW tendencies, but I
suppose it was inevitable.

Posted by: GalosGann at September 09, 2016 05:47 PM (md1b/)

Uh, I've been pretty clear in this thread why I'm NeverTrump and it doesn't resemble what you're pretending it does. You've accused me of being dishonest and SJW tendencies yada yada yada. In fact you are being dishonest here as you're misrepresenting my views. Which, now that I think about it, is a SJW tactic.I've had a reasonable conversation with several people here, I'm not sure what your emotional outburst is supposed to accomplish.
In my post you responded to my point was that in the same breath ace is mischaracterizing NeverTrumpers and calling us traitors he's bemoaning the coalition falling apart.If you and ace really do want NeverTrumpers to change their minds you guys might want to stop the histrionics and name calling and engage in an actual conversation instead.

Posted by: gwelf at September 09, 2016 06:04 PM (sv0ts)

591 Trump isn't going to win.

He's handing her a landslide.

Someone upthread mentioned that Ace said NeverTrumpers were really Hillary supporters---well Trump was there first.

Posted by: Oy at September 09, 2016 06:06 PM (fi5nC)

592 First, it's "write", not "right". Second, one might question the incentives associated with such a proposal. Should the government be incentivizing families to be dumping their kids off at day care?Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 05:15 PM (gXKl3)

First off, you referred to a tax 'credit'. You obviously know nothing of the difference between a deduction and a credit. There is a world of difference. If you drop a child, you can get a tax credit. No work involved. Follow me, so far? I can type slower if that would help.

Deductions reduce taxable income. If some mom has a little bit older children and can work a couple hours every night at $15 per hour while paying a neighbor child $8 who the hell are you to decide she should pay the tax on the $15 while ignoring her $8 cost? That is a deduction.

It's not going to break up families, have children abused, or any other bizzare ideas you like to formulate. It reflects her cost at securing revenue.

In other words, Accounting 101.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 09, 2016 06:06 PM (ZFUt7)

593 The actually people who did Hillary the most good are the #AlwaysTrump. Which primary Republican didn't poll above him against her? He was EXACTLY who she and the media wanted to face. You delivered him on a silver plate.

I take it back. One person has done Hillary more good than the #AlwaysTrump. Trump himself has very nearly killed his chances of beating Hillary with his own big mouth. If Trump wins it will likely be weakness on Hillary's part. My guess is all her emails the Russians took from her server show up on wikileaks.

I'll sit back and you can explain how this is my fault because I don't vote for people who aren't conservative.

Posted by: The Sampo at September 09, 2016 06:08 PM (ArcGB)

594 If you and ace really do want NeverTrumpers to change their minds you guys might want to stop the histrionics and name calling and engage in an actual conversation instead.

*************

That's not going to happen because they would have to face the reality that their lack of rationality and compromise has foisted on the country a historically ublokes le and incompetent candidate.

Posted by: Oy at September 09, 2016 06:10 PM (fi5nC)

595 An historically *unlikeable* candidate.

Posted by: Oy at September 09, 2016 06:11 PM (fi5nC)

596 In other words, Accounting 101.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 09, 2016 06:06 PM (ZFUt7)
Since when is a family nothing more than a business partnership?
Conservatives USED to have this strange idea that maybe, kids are better off being raised in a two-parent household, and that perverse government incentives like welfare lead, intentionally or not, to more single parent families and the associated social costs. This type of proposal from Trump creates the same type of perverse incentives, in this case for parents to have someone else raise their kids.

Besides, one can only imagine the degree of bureaucratic crap a daycare would have to go through in order to be considered a "qualifying" daycare for purposes of this tax deduction.
And with government benefits come government strings and government rules. Who disbelieves that these "qualifying" daycares would be forced to teach the little ones some introductory SJWness in order to continue to remain eligible?

Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 06:13 PM (gXKl3)

597 The #NeverTrumpers -- who are really Hillary supporters; they want Hillary to win, because they think then they can purge the Trumpkins and start winning elections as a party drawing the support of 25% of the country

Yeah no. The #NeverTrumpers think they can cut a deal with Hillary for sufficient crumbs. They are sadly mistaken. She going to make us all pay for the shit life she's had to lead.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 09, 2016 06:16 PM (rwI+c)

598 They themselves embody the immaturity, dishonesty,
and irrationality that they project on everyone else. It's sad to see so
many on the right have been so deeply infected with virulent SJW
tendencies, but I suppose it was inevitable.

Posted by: GalosGann at September 09, 2016 05:47 PM (md1b/)Funny- your candidate embodies those very things, and yet you support him. And what's sad is that so many so-called conservatives have embraced the progressive, authoritarian tendencies of a man who wouldn't know the Constitution from one of his bankrupt properties, can listen to that man babble nonsensically and still think he's fit to vote for. That some of us won't doesn't mean we support Hillary, it just means we don't have a candidate this cycle. You've chosen one of the progressives as yours.

Posted by: NeverTrump at September 09, 2016 06:16 PM (M/9Pj)

599 What you Trump supporters can do when Hillary wins is go look at yourselves in the mirror.

Deal with what you have wrought.

Posted by: Oy at September 09, 2016 06:16 PM (fi5nC)

600 Your candidate --Trump--sucks balls.

Posted by: Oy at September 09, 2016 06:18 PM (fi5nC)

601 It should be like that scene at the end of Planet of The Apes---

"What did you dumb bass terds do!?"

Posted by: Oy at September 09, 2016 06:21 PM (fi5nC)

602 *points and laughs at Chemjeff strawmen*

You're really a dishonest piece of shit, you realize that I hope. You really think that some precious flower of a mother can't depart the household for a few hours every worknight, supplement her family income, without society decaying?

You need to be honest about your situation. I know damn well why your trolling is cranked up so high. It has nothing to do with your 'concern' about mothers.

Is she good in bed? Think she'll be deported?

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 09, 2016 06:22 PM (ZFUt7)

603 Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory
A Very Special Announcement
by T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII
http://tinyurl.com/42pfdum

Old but Gold.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 09, 2016 06:36 PM (VdICR)

604 SUPREME COURT JUSTICE BARRY HUSSAIN OBAMA.

He's a constitutional law professor you guys.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 09, 2016 06:41 PM (VdICR)

605 Yeah no. The #NeverTrumpers think they can cut a
deal with Hillary for sufficient crumbs. They are sadly mistaken. She
going to make us all pay for the shit life she's had to lead.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 09, 2016 06:16 PM (rwI+c)
They should have praised her for years, and given her charity over $100,000... Only good liberal donors like Trump get access!

What?
I didn't give her $100 grand or say she was an amazing hard working Sec of State or claim she'd make a good President, so I won't have access.

Is that not what you're saying?
Trump DID all of those things; so maybe he will have access... right?

Posted by: gekkobear at September 09, 2016 06:45 PM (2iR3c)

606 "The #NeverTrumpers -- who are really Hillary supporters; they want Hillary to win, because they think then they can purge the Trumpkins and start winning elections as a party drawing the support of 25% of the country "

Nope. Some of us look forward to a revolt by 10% of the country; there is now bipartisan consensus that is too many violators to prosecute.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at September 09, 2016 06:50 PM (EioIi)

607 Waaay late to this thread, but for me the main reason to vote for crappy candidate Trump is judges, but the argument in this post presents a reason darn near as compelling.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at September 09, 2016 06:54 PM (ozZau)

608 What's the main reason for coming to this crappy blog?

Posted by: Jasper at September 09, 2016 07:03 PM (NZgmf)

609
How would that work? Its too late to get on the ballots,wouldn't Kaine automatically be the donks new candidate and he would then pick his new VP?

It's called the Lautenberg Option.

Posted by: Fox2! at September 09, 2016 07:16 PM (r5k3Z)

610 Trump cannot improve the government, but he has every incentive to be a very active president. The biggest most luxurious government you ever seen.
I currently am not enamored with the government the way it is. So, the only thing he can do is move the government in the same direction as Hillary Clinton, only half a step a minute slower, perhaps, at best. At worst, because of his ability to bully and rile up the masses against those who stand in his way, he is very likely to change government far more drastically than Hillary would be able to.
This is not to say I support Hillary, I support and will vote for neither, and accept the will of everyone else and the consequences that goes with it. Which will be minor. We are picking between two nearly equally unacceptable candidates for President of the United States of America. If the nation has fallen this far, I cannot find a shit to give about it. The faster it dies, probably the better.
Enjoy the decline, it is all that is offered on the menu!

Posted by: astonerii at September 09, 2016 07:46 PM (o/DjS)

611 I bailed out of the Ace of Spades Moron Lifestyle Facebook group because of the Never Trump admins. Things got pretty pathetic, and every day there would be threats of banning. The fantasy world of True Conservatives who Support Hillary shall not be questioned.

Posted by: PDizzle at September 09, 2016 08:08 PM (s0Kd2)

612 Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at September 09, 2016 06:22 PM (ZFUt7)

Uh-huh. You cannot refute the argument so you resort to personal insults.

Whatever man. I didn't really expect any more from you anyway.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 09, 2016 08:53 PM (uAvJJ)

613 Look at what has happened to the culture by electing an anti-American president; for example, a football team considering turning their backs on the flag.

If we elect a known criminal--and everybody knows she is--it would damage the culture in ways we can barely imagine. Not just the official ClintonSlime corruption but the cultural Rodham Rot.

No thank you.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 09, 2016 09:35 PM (Ndje9)

614
RE: "The #NeverTrumpers -- who are really Hillary supporters; they want
Hillary to win, because they think then they can purge the Trumpkins and
start winning elections as a party drawing the support of 25% of the
country. . . "

Huh? What on earth? I'm a Never Trumper and when Hillary wins the election [because more people voted for her than voted for Trump] I will continue to see that the Republican party is gutted. The "Trumpkins" aren't conservatives anyway, so they'll drift wherever they happen to feel like going just as they always have done. But honestly I don't think the Republican Party will ever be a "winning" party again -- it's completely crushed into the ground though maybe it's possible for conservatives to continue to creep along and get elected within the party, despite the Party's awful awful awful credibility, brand [which it has been demolishing since the last term of GWB], and everything.

RE: "They seem to not notice elections are actually about forming a government
and staffing it with actual people, people the president chooses, and
then directing (and hopefully restraining) a sprawling bureaucracy that
not only can destroy you, but increasingly desires too."

Oh we notice -- like we noticed the same thing with GWB, and McCain, and Romney. If there's one thing that the Republican Party has taught us it's that if you're a Republican liberal -- like Trump is -- you will "form a government" and "staff it with actual people" and then choose to NOT "restrain" a sprawling bureaucracy, nor foster individual liberty, nor foster free markets, nor foster private property rights, nor foster adherence to the Constitution.
Why on earth should we elect liberal Republicans -- tyrants of our very own making -- when there are plenty of liberal Democrats who can get elected nicely without us and be tyrants of the *other party's* making?
I'll paste in what I said on another thread.
I don't vote for liberals. Didn't vote for Romney, didn't vote for McCain, didn't vote for Obama, won't vote for Trump, won't vote for Hillary.

Why would I wish to vote for a *Republican* liberal and help *him* get elected so that we can all be informed then that Republicans now support minimum wages, hate free trade, love Planned Parenthood's "services," and don't care about the State forcing businesses to allow anybody into their own bathrooms?

What a ridiculous "victory" that would be. I'll be horsewhipped if I vote for a man who, were he running under the banner of the Democrats as he should be, we would all be denouncing to the heavens for his evil scumbaggery, along with his awful economic and social justice ideology.

The Republican leadership has been wheeling out their old "we'll lose the Supreme Court" panic attack since they nominated McCain, and then Romney, and now Trump -- not to mention that we did not *have* the Supreme Court back in the 70s anyway, sorta kinda regaining it in a loose sort of way in the 80s. I'll agree to care about the Supreme Court justices, when *they* care about it enough to nominate actual conservatives who stand for the clearly stated Republican party ideology of limited government, free markets, private property ownership, individual liberty, and adherence to the Constitution. Not *one* of those things does Trump stand for. Not *one*.

I'm not any person of influence except in my own teensy circles -- but you bet I'm making my case amongst my friends as much as I can. President Trump destroys any chance of our having an actual conservative opposition party -- destroys it to the ground. Why on earth would I wish to offer the slightest bit of support for that destruction over the coming decades? President Clinton lasts for four years [if she doesn't die in office] and will be a liberal tyrant just as Obama was [and we survived when we were informed by shrieking hysterics in the Republican Party that if we didn't vote for their awful liberal candidate and he were elected for *either term* we were toast -- well we're not, and we won't be toast unless God wants us to be toast, and not before] and we'll all be able to publicly denounce her stances and policies in spades. President Trump will be coddled and kowtowed to just as Republicans did for the last two years of GWB's awful second term, where every liberal policy he announced and inflicted on our county they all cheered and supported. Those last two years as I watched aghast as Republicans all swayed and approved of those awful decisions and policies were THE thing that let me know I was no longer a Republican. Those days ended with those last two years of GWB and I've never looked back. It was one of the primary reasons why Obama could win so handily -- the conservatives were absolutely demoralized by the awful actions of GWB and people like me said "enough -- it's over" and thankfully, many millions more of us in the coming years have said the same thing. President Trump will be a bad influential odor for decades in any attempt to build the one thing [other than repentance before God] that our country actually needs, which is an actual conservative opposition party.

Posted by: Igor at September 09, 2016 10:18 PM (bMaRP)

615 Here's the thing, Ace. While I've never thought of myself as a
party-line voter, in practice I've voted party-line Republican to date
(if you don't count leaving a vote blank). For 2016 I will probably not
vote, but if I do vote I'm more likely to vote for Hillary than Trump,
and I'll happily own it, since you seem to really think it's important
for "honesty" that we apostates wear that scarlet "H". I might not even stop there, as I'm very tempted to just scribble "Fuck you, Reince"
on my ballot, vote down ticket Democrat, and be done with voting for
good after November.

The problem isn't that Trump is just too embarrassing for some of us
because he's so goofy. For me at least, the problem mostly isn't even
Trump himself. I don't like him, but all else being equal, I could have
easily gone for the "hey, at least we'll keep him in check, while the
media and federal bureaucracies will enable Hillary" argument. That's not what concerns me.

What
scares me to the point of #ImWithHer is seeing guys I used to admire
like Giuliani and Gingrich adopt the rhetoric of authoritarianism or (for those like Paul Ryan and Rand Paul whose rhetorical conservatism at
least had some small internal roots to take anchor with) a fearful
Orwellian, hostage speech where you say the magic words that Reince
needs you to, and talk around your real thoughts. It's seeing the
cowards too afraid of offending their base to say that praise for
dictators like Putin and Saddam Hussein is abhorrent and unbefitting an
American leader. It's seeing the gleeful, aspiring authoritarian
functionaries ready to spin on Putin's behalf because Dear Leader can't be wrong. It's seeing the self-debasing lies from figures of the Christian Right professing assurance of Trump's devout Christian faith. It's seeing Rick Perry sing about Trump's awesomeness while pretending he didn't call him a cancer on conservatism just months ago and hoping that inconvenient fact goes away down the memory hole. It's seeing a pundit who took a hiatus from his job at National Review to work on the Cruz primary campaign (Jay Nordlinger) maligned as Rubio-loving GOPe scum at the same time that Rience Priebus is putting the entirety of the party machinery (of which, much to Priebus's dismay, the conservative print punditry isn't part of except in the fevered imaginings of pro-Trump fanatics) to the task of making Trump president with a Republican legislature, not to mention running interference against internal party dissent on Trump's behalf when it was still an option to dump him. It's seeing the "conservatives" claiming "actually, Reagan really wasn't all that great and Trump's really just as good or better" over and over again. It's seeing the blogger whose political reasoning you spent the last 5 years revering turn around and decide emotional tantrums, Drudge Report-style headlines, and threats to quit the blog or leave the Republican party if Trump loses are the way to go to sell a case for Trump, a case that he wants us to think is incredibly important while simultaneously neglecting to devote to this cause the same level of intellectual firepower he's devoted in the past to mocking Neil DeGrasse Tyson's twitter followers and critiquing childhood breakfast cereals.

Even if Trump evaporated into a non-sentient cloud of farts overnight, what's left of the Republican Party in 2016 is still not worth supporting, and probably won't be in 2020 either (I sure as hell don't plan on voting for anyone in 2020 who isn't named Cruz, Sasse, French, or Romney). One thing I am certainly grateful to Mr. Trump for is for pulling away the curtain and casting light on what
I believe is our first clear glimpse at the machinery running this
party, and it looks uglier than even a DrewMTips could have conceived it to be. Maybe this ugly trend within the party is superficial and temporary, and goes away like Obama's Hope and Change cult when the election drama is over and reality sinks in. But considering that social conservatives, small government conservatives, free market conservatives, and border hawk conservatives have all now dramatically demonstrated just how dirt fucking cheap that any one of these demographics can be bought for (and how ready and eager so many of them are to purge people like Cruz who actually believe that shit) to every ideologically-shape shifting, opportunistic, Clintonian snake on the planet, what incentive does the party have to make anyone besides donors happy from here on out? Win the primary, and the rest of the pieces fall in place for you by design. False promises, which the GOPe was rhetorically maligned for but never punished in earnest in any election, have been conclusively demonstrated to be the Gold Standard currency for internal Republican politics, if you want to rise to the top. I'll own the Hillary presidency if you'll own that. A Hillary presidency is over in probably 4 but maybe 8 years, can you say the same about a corrupt, self-serving, ideologically agnostic, amnesty-fetishist, dysfunctional, clusterfuck GOP?

Posted by: reform highlander at September 10, 2016 06:23 AM (xf3KI)

616 Again with the "Never Trumpers".

You want to win those people over? Hammer them with Hillary stories, just like Glenn has done here. Give them a reason to vote for Trump even if they can't stand the guy.

Insulting them or their supported candidates will never work... it just won't.

Posted by: Realityman at September 10, 2016 07:36 AM (Ch0fq)

617 "The #NeverTrumpers -- who are really Hillary supporters; they want
Hillary to win, because they think then they can purge the Trumpkins and
start winning elections as a party drawing the support of 25% of the
country -- seem to think elections are just about intraparty jockeying,
palace intrigues, and "principle.""

Ace, even among the small elite that is able to talk politics for a living, I would consider you on the far-right end of the bell curve for intelligence. Certainly so among the general public. And yet, even you still can't stay consistent on your political vows from merely 6 months ago:

"A useful test of a politician is the repulsiveness of the lies you have to tell on his behalf to support him.

Personally, I'm out. I will never defend this guy nor vote for him. I'll actually vote for Hillary Clinton, if I vote at all." -Ace of Spades

"Yes, it is that remorseless stinking pile of narcissistic rich bitch shit that I'll now be supporting.

No, but seriously: I will vote for Hillary before I support this dangerous, venomous scumbag." - also Ace of Spades, not mincing words

Pretty sure you've made similar quotes about supporting Hillary over Rubio, as well. Do you really think the party rank and file are gonna be this mad about #NeverTrump in 4 years? 4 years ago I was fantasy-plotting my exodus to Steve Harper's Canada over TFG's re-election, and now I'd prefer a third term of Obama over either of the general election candidates. Your threats of Republican voters leaving the party in mass are meaningless, and your threats in a previous thread to leave the party over Trump rest on the foundation of your 2014 threats to leave the party over Boehner/McConnell/GOPe shenanigans (a promise that i am happy to make good on in your behalf right now and into perpetuity), and your a few months ago threats to support Hillary over Trump. If nothing else, man, principles, are pretty good for helping to sell threats.
Regardless, saw a new poll earlier this week that the party's current general election support for Trump is at 88% of Republicans, which if that's comparable with the data I've seen from 538 of past Republican presidents (which is older, but showed Trump at a very competitive 85% in early summer), that edges out Romney's Republican party record of 87% (by contrast, Reagan's was 81%). The statistical data, that is, the numbers that actually swing elections, suggests the Republican Party is losing more voters to natural causes than to #NeverTrump.

Posted by: reform highlander at September 10, 2016 08:17 AM (xf3KI)

618 RE: "But considering that social conservatives, small government
conservatives, free market conservatives, and border hawk conservatives
have all now dramatically demonstrated just how dirt fucking cheap that
any one of these demographics can be bought for (and how ready and
eager so many of them are to purge people like Cruz who actually believe
that shit) to every ideologically-shape shifting, opportunistic,
Clintonian snake on the planet, what incentive does the party have to
make anyone besides donors happy from here on out?"

Hey -- I'm a social conservatve, and a small government conservative, and a free market conservative [in former days this was just called a "conservative] -- and boy am I not bought. Not voting for Trump. I don't vote for liberals of either party.

RE: "what incentive does the party have to
make anyone besides donors happy from here on out?"

But boy am I on board with this. Not a whole lot of people seeing this reality here.

RE: "your 2014 threats to leave the party over Boehner/McConnell/GOPe
shenanigans (a promise that i am happy to make good on in your behalf
right now and into perpetuity) . . . If nothing else, man, principles, are pretty
good for helping to sell threats."

Oh yeh -- a thousand times yeh.

Posted by: Igor at September 10, 2016 03:16 PM (bMaRP)

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