Trump Isn't the Real Populist -- It's the Elites Running Our Institutions, Relentlessly Undermining Our Institutions (Which They Hold to be Corrupt and Racist), Who are the Real Popullists. And the Dangerous Ones.

First of all, I'm not even sure what "populist" means. It seems to me to mean someone who believes the people running things are dishonest, self-serving, and inept.

Who disagrees with that? I don't remember, until this very contentious year, conservatives arguing so vigorously that we must Trust our Beloved Government and of course our Venerable White-Jacketed Expert Class.

Before Trump, populism -- generalized, inchoate resistance/defiance of self-proclaimed authority -- was generally acknowledged to be an important and vital part of conservatism. The heat in its blood, actually.

Now a lot of people are screaming about "populism" as if it's Jacobinism or Robspierrism.

But that's not the point of this interesting article. The author here makes the case, effectively, that the left has been deliberately and constantly undermining the pillars of our system of ordered liberty for 70 years, even as they have moved into positions of controlling the institutions they brand as corrupt, imperialist, and racist.

It's like Obama, president of the United States, running as perpetual outsider and external critic of government.

Consider the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates. If there is anywhere we can look into the heart of the sort of people running the world, it is here. The Left has lauded this author up and down as one of their most outstanding thinkers for his writing on race. I do not wish to enter into the quality of his arguments here. Rather, I want to call attention to the attitude or spirit that pervades his work.
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I’m a Victim of My Privileged Circumstances
Only the accidents of partisan politics obscure this affinity. Because Coates’ brand of racial politics is typically associated with the progressive movement, we tend to see it as a thing entirely apart from, even antagonistic to, the populist fervor percolating among supposedly conservative groups. But if we peek beneath the superficial postures of left-right politics, we will find the same fundamental mentality evident on both sides of the divide—the same eternal rage against the powers that be. It would no doubt cause Coates and his many besotted admirers horror to learn they are close spiritual kin to the Trumpistas of the world. Nonetheless, it’s true.

Of course, the seething resentment that burns in every paragraph of Coates’ work did not originate with him. This attitude of permanent disaffection has been the primary psychological note of modern progressivism ever since the uprisings of the 1960s. Over the last half-century, even as the Left has conquered one institution after another—the university, the media, the federal bureaucracy—this disposition to revolt has remained the chief feature of the progressive mind.
It is why the people running our civilization have never developed the virtues necessary to carry out their duties adequately. Determined to always think of themselves as persons out of power, they never learned to regard themselves as persons with power, and all the responsibilities power entails. They never learned to imagine the kinds of moral formation that would fit a person for rule, rather than for protest.
This is why we can listen to a close advisor to the president—a woman with access to the most effective levers of power in the world—declare her intention to “speak truth to power.” But as for speaking truth as power, as for directing their policies with the wisdom and prudence requisite to their offices, the populist elite in control of the Western world have never learned how to do this, because their own modes of juvenile self-fashioning have precluded them from ever admitting that they do indeed occupy such offices.
This is the dimension missing from most analyses of our present political circumstances—the historical dimension. We find ourselves saddled with a teetering institutional structure without considering the decades of populist agitation that went into making this wreckage.

Posted by: Ace at 11:42 AM

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1 TL;DR

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at August 26, 2016 11:53 AM (VAsIq)

2 Needs more funny pictures.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at August 26, 2016 11:53 AM (VAsIq)

3 "Consider the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates."

No, thank you.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at August 26, 2016 11:53 AM (VAsIq)

4 Okay, I'll let other people know you exist, NOOD thread.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at August 26, 2016 11:55 AM (VAsIq)

5 Corgis called

Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 11:56 AM (Cd8NC)

6 Where's the beef?

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at August 26, 2016 11:57 AM (VAsIq)

7 The Economist declared that a populist thought must be destroyed. Thought police hate ideas.

Posted by: Former Subscriber at August 26, 2016 11:57 AM (gwG9s)

8 Ha? In English?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2016 11:57 AM (Ozsfq)

9 They are identical to South American "liberators". Once in power, they become what they fought against. Because their methods and behaviors are juvenile and they are incapable of mature thought (for the most part). Again, it's always about "how I feel".

Posted by: Astro at August 26, 2016 11:57 AM (6rYqY)

10 "Consider the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates."

An underwhelming intellect overpromoted solely due to the hue of his skin.

In all ways, the story of Obama.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 26, 2016 11:57 AM (X6fMO)

11 So. Do we watch the movie?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 11:57 AM (Cd8NC)

12 *begs Ace to review "Southside With You."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 26, 2016 11:58 AM (1ZOkK)

13 Leftist hypocrisy. They couldn't do business without it.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 26, 2016 11:58 AM (v5iqM)

14 I can't remember what was being advertised, but some years ago there was a brilliant ad with a young flunky talking to a CEO. The CEO declares that he's sticking it to the man, whereupon the flunky, understandably confused, replies "but sir, you ARE the man".

Yeah, it's like that.

Posted by: pep at August 26, 2016 11:59 AM (3e8zv)

15 I don't know from a lot of this, but I'm sure some of the folks from earlier threads will tell me this is all alt-right crap and I'm racist if I believe it.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 26, 2016 11:59 AM (PFy0L)

16 ...at least it wasn't a news story in French....

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at August 26, 2016 12:00 PM (VAsIq)

17 I don't need no Tennessee Cooties.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 26, 2016 12:00 PM (oqkO3)

18 Taking over institutions was always the left's goal and now that they've succeeded they won't admit it...is that about it?

Posted by: BignJames at August 26, 2016 12:01 PM (9Kdhp)

19
Consider the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates.

Do I have to?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 26, 2016 12:01 PM (IqV8l)

20 Calling the manipulative elitist bastards occupying the majority of positions in power "populist" is the most cynical load of bullshit I've seen all month. And that's a field jam packed with candidates, I assure you.

And the absolute worst part? Aside from terminology, the author is essentially correct.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2016 12:01 PM (9krrF)

21 Taking over institutions was always the left's goal and now that they've succeeded they won't admit it...is that about it?
Posted by: BignJames at August 26, 2016 12:01 PM (9Kdhp)

Ya mean the Left lies? Why use so many words?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2016 12:02 PM (Ozsfq)

22 >> "Consider the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates."

*hurl*

Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 12:02 PM (o+SC1)

23 Sounds racist, VRWC, nationalist, and aft-right to me!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 26, 2016 12:02 PM (wCEn4)

24 Taking over institutions was always the left's goal and now that they've succeeded they won't admit it...is that about it?

When the basis of your appeal is being the underdog vs The Man, the last thing you want folks to realize is that you are now, in fact, The Man.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2016 12:02 PM (9krrF)

25 willowed:

226 The whole Epipen thing is a giant money laundering scheme. Cherche la Democrat.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 26, 2016 11:55 AM (9mTYi)

The whole left wing/Democratic Party thing is a giant money laundering scheme.

I believe there's a RICO lawsuit in there somewhere in all that horseshi*t for some enterprising young prosecutor.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 12:02 PM (yn2Me)

26 Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 26, 2016 11:59 AM (PFy0L)

You're racist regardless....just 'cuz.

Posted by: BignJames at August 26, 2016 12:03 PM (9Kdhp)

27 read "The Culture of Narcissism"

it's all there, mostly

Posted by: Billy Occam at August 26, 2016 12:03 PM (/542q)

28 By the By the French Court threw out that Burka Ban

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2016 12:03 PM (Ozsfq)

29 One reason they believe all cultures are equal is because so many cultures have no sense of competence being a virtue!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 26, 2016 12:03 PM (wCEn4)

30 Consider the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates.

No.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 12:04 PM (yn2Me)

31 This schtick about populism and/or nationalism is just a waste of words that are put in certain orders that should really end up saying this.

"All Republicans should be completely at odds with our vaunted leaders who have betrayed us at every turn. Who become more progressive with the more power that we give them under a Democrat POTUS and who could care less about anything or anyone outside the donor class to keep their gravy train running.

Call it populist and do it in a thousand words or less.

*Double bird*

I did it in two.

Posted by: Drider at August 26, 2016 12:04 PM (bdzyz)

32 >> By the By the French Court threw out that Burka
>> Ban

Which is fine. It was a bad idea. Weeding out Sharia by banning the burkini is a little like earthquake-proofing your house with a fresh coat of paint.

Posted by: JEM at August 26, 2016 12:05 PM (o+SC1)

33 >>Consider the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates.

Yeah, lost me there, too.
I do agree with the conclusion, though.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 12:05 PM (NOIQH)

34 I believe there's a RICO lawsuit in there somewhere in all that horseshi*t for some enterprising young prosecutor.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 12:02 PM (yn2Me)

I'd advise against that!

Posted by: Zombie Vince Foster at August 26, 2016 12:05 PM (wCEn4)

35 It's like Obama, president of the United States, running as perpetual outsider and external critic of government.

The Limbaugh Theorem!

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 12:05 PM (yn2Me)

36 >>Consider the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates.

I'd rather read Obama's Poetry.

Posted by: garrett at August 26, 2016 12:05 PM (0vI5X)

37 Damned fine analysis.

Diagnosis is easy - hell, we all know something's wrong, and most of us have a pretty good idea what it is.

The treatment, however - on that, we do not yet agree.

The outsider pose as affected by those in power has always struck me as a cunning ploy to assert a right to power without any responsibility for its actual exercise.

Because, of course, power with responsibility isn't really power, not in the purest sense of the word.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 26, 2016 12:06 PM (lutOX)

38 Consider the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates.

I consider it crap, does that count?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2016 12:06 PM (9krrF)

39 Diagnosis is easy - hell, we all know something's wrong, and most of us have a pretty good idea what it is.

The treatment, however - on that, we do not yet agree.

I have as my impression of matters we're actually already on the same page. But for various reasons...we're just not willing to give voice to it yet.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2016 12:07 PM (9krrF)

40 Is this like how in college my tenured professor ordered me to protest "the man" for a grade. So instead of getting on the anti-war bus for an A I gave him the finger and got an F?

Posted by: heyjames4 at August 26, 2016 12:07 PM (5xofp)

41 >>>First of all, I'm not even sure what "populist" means. It seems to me to mean someone who believes the people running things are dishonest, self-serving, and inept.

That's called "realist".
Populism is "fuck that guy/those guys" writ large. It is "the other". Creation of "us" vs them with "us" being large number and them being a few assholes. So we have to cobble together an us. That is bigger than them.
That's all I got.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 26, 2016 12:07 PM (MK9cc)

42 Jwest, if you are here

I posted a version of Trump Smash that can go on kids and any size tee I think

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hm9ajr3

Posted by: @votermom at August 26, 2016 12:07 PM (Om16U)

43 Tea Nehi is writing to keep the masses agitated for his Masters, who will then use them to stay rich, powerful, and in charge.

And the masses will keep their usefulness as long as that works.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 26, 2016 12:08 PM (uz/Pv)

44 Washington filled with people who actually love the USA and its people, even if they disagree on every single policy debate, would be a terrific improvement.

Trump may be a fool, a liar, a conman, a racist idiot nutjob. Stipulated for discussion. But he has convinced a large number of people that he actually loves the United States of America, which is *such a refreshing change* that it may yet win him high office.

Posted by: Randy Magnum at August 26, 2016 12:08 PM (jCjAQ)

45 Is this where we tackle the big, important issues of the day?

Posted by: Weasel at August 26, 2016 12:09 PM (Sfs6o)

46 The title of my romance w/ Barry: Bareback With You.

Posted by: Reggie! at August 26, 2016 12:09 PM (FXW24)

47 Professional demagogues. If one looks good on television, speaks the Narrative Tongue coherently, and praises The Leader, the job pays quite well.

As far as the actual wire pullers at the highest political levels, they know how the system works. Not so long ago, one George Stephanoupoolozzus once wrote something like "Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Pretty neat, huh?"

And Bill Ayers 40+ years ago, figuring that the America that he wanted would cost 25 million American lives (adjust for 2016 population numbers). Barry started his political career in the Ayers' living room.

Posted by: mrp at August 26, 2016 12:09 PM (JBggj)

48 >>Which is fine. It was a bad idea. Weeding out Sharia by banning the
burkini is a little like earthquake-proofing your house with a fresh
coat of paint.

Eh, they were aiming at one of the first steps in scope creep.

What has been happening is muslims are attempting to take over European beaches and enforcing a 'burkinis only' policy. This is what triggered that big fight in Corsica, not someone taking a pic of a burkini-clad woman.
These bans were an attempt to stop this.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 12:09 PM (NOIQH)

49 To me a Populist is a person who says what you want to hear. Ruled by the mob. Damn the resulting consequences in the future .

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 12:10 PM (Sc+fF)

50 First of all, I'm not even sure what "populist" means. It seems to me to mean someone who believes the people running things are dishonest, self-serving, and inept.

Nah that's not really right.

Populism really hit it's hayday in the 1920s or so with William Jennings Bryan. To that end Populism was usually something of a sort of broad appeal by promising loud (and usually broad/large) groups that you'd give them exactly what they wanted.
For Bryan that was a sort of preening moralistic government.
For Trump it's a bit of economic protectionism, meshed up with sort of "counter-progressive" style leader. (Where the progressives use a strong man to push progressive ideas, Trump would push counter progressive types.)

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 26, 2016 12:10 PM (dzmBR)

51 "Consider the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates.">>>

I think I'll consider the writing of Tennessee Tuxedo instead.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at August 26, 2016 12:11 PM (wrS2o)

52 I have as my impression of matters we're actually already on the same page. But for various reasons...we're just not willing to give voice to it yet.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2016 12:07 PM (9krrF)
***
I'll paraphrase one of the New England wise guys: "Never say it on the phone if you can say it in person. never say it in person if you and the guy are sympatico. if you and the guy ain't sympatico, you shouldn't be talking to him anyway.'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 26, 2016 12:11 PM (lutOX)

53 40 Is this like how in college my tenured professor ordered me to protest "the man" for a grade. So instead of getting on the anti-war bus for an A I gave him the finger and got an F?

I would have fought that.
By simple matter of the prof's position, he WAS "the man".

Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 12:12 PM (Cd8NC)

54 Posted by: Randy Magnum at August 26, 2016 12:08 PM (jCjAQ)

Good point....I'm tired of being told how much we (USA) suck...by other so-called Americans...especially by our so-called betters.

Posted by: BignJames at August 26, 2016 12:12 PM (9Kdhp)

55 The outsider pose as affected by those in power has always struck me as a cunning ploy to assert a right to power without any responsibility for its actual exercise.

...

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 26, 2016 12:06 PM (lutOX)

Speaker Paul Ryan: "Our hands were tied!"

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 26, 2016 12:13 PM (wCEn4)

56 History provides you a roadmap of the Present. It's not that hard to see the cause of the problem. It's that the only way it is ever fixed is by it being burned to the ground and rebuilt. At least that's what History teaches us.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 12:13 PM (Sc+fF)

57 Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 12:09 PM (NOIQH)

Trying to create freedom by restricting freedom is an odd way to go about it.

France is rabidly secularist in a way that hits basically every religion.

Fuck that shit, if people want to be hot and miserable because their religion demands it, that's their problem not mine.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 26, 2016 12:13 PM (dzmBR)

58 How much fun would an AoS Burning Man be?

Posted by: Weasel at August 26, 2016 12:14 PM (Sfs6o)

59 "Consider the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates.">>>

I think I'll consider the writing of Tennessee Tuxedo instead.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at August 26, 2016 12:11 PM (wrS2o)

Never heard of this dude before the HQ, and when I first did just assumed by the name it was a chick.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 26, 2016 12:15 PM (Idu2i)

60 To me a Populist is a person who says what you want to hear. Ruled by the mob. Damn the resulting consequences in the future .
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 12:10 PM (Sc+fF)
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And that covers the pejorative use of the term. The self-identifying use is pursuing the interests of the "little guy" versus that of the elites (oligarchy, aristocracy, special business interests, etc)

Similar to the use of alt-right, liberal, and conservative.

Posted by: RioBravo at August 26, 2016 12:15 PM (NUqwG)

61 Consider the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates.

=============

When I read the above, the first thought that came to mind was:

"Have you ever read the works of Shan Yu?"

Posted by: mrp at August 26, 2016 12:16 PM (JBggj)

62 Honest question here: when did we lose the two party system? When did the Republicans become Democrats?

That's when things really seemed to go All Globalist, All The Time.

I'm thinking that it accelerated when Ryan became speaker of the house, but maybe it happened before?

I think that's when things went bad-- when we lost the two party system. Now it's the Global Parties (Democrat plus half Republicans) vs. the Racist Nationalist Populists.

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 26, 2016 12:16 PM (tvyXw)

63 Fuck that shit, if people want to be hot and miserable because their religion demands it, that's their problem not mine.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 26, 2016 12:13 PM (dzmBR)

Ah yes, BUT, the next "reasonable" step is "recommending" that everyone wear them because it will make the beach experience comfortable for everyone!

Posted by: S. Hari'a at August 26, 2016 12:16 PM (wCEn4)

64
Ta-Nehisi Coates has the intellectual depth of a mud puddle.

A trait he shares with ALL leftists--hence the hivemind.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 26, 2016 12:17 PM (X35Yt)

65 The left is a tapeworm. A small almost unnoticeable larvae implanted deep in a culture's institutions. Which lay unseen feeding and growing, to the point of being large enough to affect the behavior of its host, causing a voracious hunger which can never be satisfied. Its eggs are dispersed through the culture until the host finally becomes too ill and malnourished to maintain itself and dies.

Posted by: random lurker at August 26, 2016 12:18 PM (+tRIN)

66 Good late morning to you all, Fellow Morons, from the beautiful Frio River Canyon.

Posted by: Sambo at August 26, 2016 12:18 PM (CwNIZ)

67 58
How much fun would an AoS Burning Man be?
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I'm thinking AoS Burning Pantsuit Woman would be awesome.

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 26, 2016 12:18 PM (tvyXw)

68 Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 26, 2016 12:13 PM (dzmBR)
***
I'm not that old, and I remember when the cops in Turkey - at least in ankara and the big cities - would snatch the hijab/naqib right off a woman's head if she went out in public like that.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 26, 2016 12:18 PM (lutOX)

69 Posted by: RioBravo at August 26, 2016 12:15 PM (NUqwG)

If the shoe fits it's not pejorative . Huey Long is the most famous Populist in my opinion more so than Bryant.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 12:19 PM (Sc+fF)

70 Country Boy, you probably think Chumley is a Pawn Star.

Posted by: Make a Wish Global Initiative at August 26, 2016 12:19 PM (nFwvY)

71 Ah yes, BUT, the next "reasonable" step is "recommending" that everyone wear them because it will make the beach experience comfortable for everyone!
Posted by: S. Hari'a at August 26, 2016 12:16 PM (wCEn4)

Yeah no, also fuck that shit as well though.
Freedom cuts both ways.

Like I said though, everyone going "my god France is soooo islamophobic" forgets France has also banned the wearing of crosses in schools.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 26, 2016 12:19 PM (dzmBR)

72 Honest question here: when did we lose the two party system? When did the Republicans become Democrats?

That's when things really seemed to go All Globalist, All The Time.

I'm thinking that it accelerated when Ryan became speaker of the house, but maybe it happened before?

Before. Back when the dems controlled all three branches.
The pubs figured out that they could still feed at the trough without having to get their hands dirty.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 12:19 PM (Cd8NC)

73 sorry, that's just too complex for me.

when can we get a review of "clinton cash"? the book, movie and/or comic book? (and don't give a review of the book based on reading the comic.)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at August 26, 2016 12:19 PM (WTSFk)

74 Yeah, the author of that article is engaging in a bit of a semantic sleight-of-hand, methinks.

Populism is literally "rule by the populus", or people. It is the idea encapsulated by the phrase "the customer is always right": even when the people are wrong on some level, their will is nevertheless to be carried out, because they ultimately are the ones in charge.

The progressive left doesn't believe this. Ta-Neishi Coates certainly doesn't believe this, he likely believes the people are racist bigots who should be kept *away* from power.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2016 12:19 PM (5115x)

75 How much fun would an AoS Burning Man be?

It depends, who are we setting ablaze?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2016 12:20 PM (9krrF)

76 Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 26, 2016 12:18 PM (lutOX)

Turkey tried to be rabidly secular for a while.

It gave them Erdogan. So yeah.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 26, 2016 12:20 PM (dzmBR)

77 67 hell yeah! And all day there could posting of comments on a giant outdoor screen.

Posted by: Weasel at August 26, 2016 12:20 PM (Sfs6o)

78 There are right-wing populists (Bill O'Reilly, Sarah Palin) and there are left-wing populists (Michael Moore).

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 12:20 PM (yn2Me)

79 tslr, slight correction. The chant at T-Rump rallies is not "impose that tariff!", it's "build the wall!". Absent the mass illegal migration catastrophe, and T-Rump's unique (in the GOP field) engagement with it, anybody's guess if T-Rump becomes the nominee.

Protectionism is not what made his candidacy, to date.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 12:20 PM (QDnY+)

80 If the shoe fits it's not pejorative.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 12:19 PM (Sc+fF)

perjorative = expressing contempt or disapproval

...whether it fits or not.

Posted by: RioBravo at August 26, 2016 12:20 PM (NUqwG)

81 The progressive left doesn't believe this. Ta-Neishi Coates certainly doesn't believe this, he likely believes the people are racist bigots who should be kept *away* from power.

Populists channel the masses. Leftists manipulate them. Huge difference between the two.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2016 12:21 PM (9krrF)

82 All the blood in the water on the Clinton crime syndicate and what does Trump do?

"Hillary Clinton is a bigot!!!!"

I swear he is a gift to (or perhaps from) the MSFM....

Posted by: Cooldawg at August 26, 2016 12:21 PM (LWarG)

83 Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 26, 2016 12:16 PM (tvyXw)

It was underway before this http://bit.ly/2bFOIeR but this should have gotten more attention than it did. 20/20 hindsight I guess.

Posted by: random lurker at August 26, 2016 12:21 PM (+tRIN)

84 It is the idea encapsulated by the phrase "the customer is always
right": even when the people are wrong on some level, their will is
nevertheless to be carried out, because they ultimately are the ones in
charge.

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It's an idea also encapsulated in the phrase "We the People".

Posted by: mrp at August 26, 2016 12:21 PM (JBggj)

85
How much fun would an AoS Burning Man be?
>>>

Or our own version of Wasteland Weekend.

http://www.wastelandweekend.com/

Posted by: Buzzsaw at August 26, 2016 12:22 PM (wrS2o)

86 And...

perjorative = pejorative

Posted by: RioBravo at August 26, 2016 12:22 PM (NUqwG)

87 And when was the last time there was a burning skeleton head around here, anyway?

Posted by: Weasel at August 26, 2016 12:22 PM (Sfs6o)

88 Protectionism is not what made his candidacy, to date.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 12:20 PM (QDnY+)

Balder-fucking-dash. It's a package deal. Yes, the wall is a huge part of it, but his love of bashing trade deals is another huge part of it.
Doesn't lend itself to chants as well as "build that wall!" Especially since 95% of americans have no idea what goes into a trade deal.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 26, 2016 12:22 PM (dzmBR)

89 69 Posted by: RioBravo at August 26, 2016 12:15 PM (NUqwG)

If the shoe fits it's not pejorative . Huey Long is the most famous Populist in my opinion more so than Bryant.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 12:19 PM (Sc+fF)
***
Every man a king,
Every man a king,
You can be a millionaire.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 26, 2016 12:22 PM (lutOX)

90
#Dicksoutforelites

Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 12:23 PM (APlKx)

91 How much fun would an AoS Burning Man be?

AoS Burning Man - the week following a weekend in a Tijuana whore house.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 12:23 PM (Cd8NC)

92 Where's the beef?
Posted by: Turd Ferguson
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You'll be hearing from my lawyers.

Posted by: Clara Peller at August 26, 2016 12:23 PM (9mTYi)

93 Turkey tried to be rabidly secular for a while.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 26, 2016 12:20 PM (dzmBR)

If by "a while" you mean "about a century", you're right.

Kemal Ataturk explicitly rejected the Islamist/jihadist bullshit and strove to reorganize Turkey along secular, western lines.

It almost worked.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 12:23 PM (yn2Me)

94 It's an idea also encapsulated in the phrase "We the People".
Posted by: mrp at August 26, 2016 12:21 PM (JBggj)

I think there's a bit of a difference though here.
Populism as I see it, never gave one lick about a constitution or how it limits government power.

Indeed, it's arguable the constitution was designed to be a bulwark against the ebbs and flows of populism.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 26, 2016 12:23 PM (dzmBR)

95 Or our own version of Wasteland Weekend.

http://www.wastelandweekend.com/
Posted by: Buzzsaw at August 26, 2016 12:22 PM (wrS2o)
***
The Humungous rules the wasteland!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 26, 2016 12:24 PM (lutOX)

96 some bastard stole my three-dimensional bulletin board

bitch gonna pay

Posted by: Mr. Whoopee at August 26, 2016 12:24 PM (u0s1P)

97 Huey Long is the most famous Populist in my opinion more so than Bryant.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 12:19 PM (Sc+fF)
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Mere PINO's. Greenbacks were the True Populists.

Posted by: RioBravo at August 26, 2016 12:24 PM (NUqwG)

98 It almost worked.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 12:23 PM (yn2Me)

By "a while" I meant "some time that I'm too lazy to look up and be specific about."

So thanks!

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 26, 2016 12:24 PM (dzmBR)

99 "First of all, I'm not even sure what "populist" means. It seems to me to mean someone who believes the people running things are dishonest, self-serving, and inept."

That is absolutely wrong. Bass ackwards, in fact. Populism is not essentially a negative view of the ruling class, rather it is an extremely positive view of the populace, in the latter's wisdom and virtue. And it was never "generally acknowledged to be an important and vital part of conservatism. The heat in its blood, actually.". Quite the reverse. There have been elitist conservatives (Nock, Eliot, Ames, Waugh), but I don't know of any fully populist conservative. Maybe Kendall is close, but even there, there are reservations.

For an example, look at two half-conservatives (popular today only on the right): Mencken & Chesterton. The two are almost perfect opposites, agreeing (I think) only about prohibition, and in opposing socialism. The only sane and conservative view is to believe Mencken was right about the common people, and Chesterton about the aristocracy. They were both right about what they opposed; both romanticized what they supported.

I recommend Orwell's essay on Kipling on the way leftists fail to learn how to actually run things.

Posted by: George LeS at August 26, 2016 12:24 PM (FkGpr)

100 A man gots to know his limitations. There is much more wisdom in Clint Eastwood's "Dirty Harry" movies then anything Coates can come up with.

Posted by: ting hung lo at August 26, 2016 12:25 PM (xZc4z)

101 "Hillary Clinton is a bigot!!!!"

I swear he is a gift to (or perhaps from) the MSFM....

Posted by: Cooldawg at August 26, 2016 12:21 PM (LWarG)

Makes sense when you realize he's trying to pry traditional Dem voters away from Hillary. He doesn't need to get the votes of those who are already well aware of The Hag's criminalities; he's already got most of those.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 26, 2016 12:25 PM (oqkO3)

102 Plus, protesting, waving flags at the barricades, is so much sexier than merely ruling. They all saw Les Mis and never got over it.

People never grow up unless they have to. One of these days, this country will require a grownup. Whether one shows up or not...

Posted by: PJ at August 26, 2016 12:25 PM (cHuNI)

103 "All the blood in the water on the Clinton crime syndicate and what does Trump do?

"Hillary Clinton is a bigot!!!!"

I swear he is a gift to (or perhaps from) the MSFM...."

Hillary babbled on like a lunatic due to Trump calling her bigotry out and she looked like the leader of the tinfoil hat brigade.

What comes next should be a riot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP-FZe0F8qU

Posted by: Drider at August 26, 2016 12:26 PM (bdzyz)

104 British feminist whines that men are unwilling to risk a sexual harassment charge to flirt with her (and other women) and this leads to self-esteem issues and maybe the Government should step in and fix them problem.

I am making NONE of that up.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/24/ lads-britain-needs-you-to-do-your-duty-and-get-flirting/#

Posted by: V the K at August 26, 2016 12:26 PM (O7MnT)

105 ... um, know what? i bet none of you have even read "clinton cash" or seen the movie or even the comic book (although you might have bought the x-ray specs.)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at August 26, 2016 12:26 PM (WTSFk)

106 whered I put my peguin-and-walrus stew recipe

Posted by: Mr. Whoopee at August 26, 2016 12:26 PM (u0s1P)

107 The author raises a good point, and it bears repeating: words like "conservative" and "populist" have been bandied about like so many markers, without any actual meaning. I've gotten into flame wars on Twitface with people I actually know pretty well about whether Trump was the One True Conservative in the Republican primary (he wasn't), and whether he is even a conservative at all.

I defer to the Ace of Spade stylebook. What say we ask for a ruling from the arbiters? We can't even discuss these issues without an agreed-upon set of definitions.

On the other hand, I think everyone here is in general agreement about labels like "cockholster," "dipshit," and "five-dollar road whore." Those term have been well-defined here, and with definitive examples.

Posted by: Qoheleth at August 26, 2016 12:26 PM (iIzG7)

108 Consider the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates. If there is anywhere we can look into the heart of the sort of people running the world, it is here. The Left has lauded this author up and down as one of their most outstanding thinkers ~~for his writing on~~ of his race.

FIFY.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 26, 2016 12:26 PM (SRKgf)

109 Penn sociologists, proving my contention that every respectable university should eliminate Sociology departments, have completed a study on the damage zoos cause in gender-stereotyping.

It seems parents showing giraffes to children often refer to "mommy" and "daddy" giraffes, without asking the animals themselves about preferred pronoun usage. Not fucking kidding (via Hogewash).

http://tinyurl.com/j8k5m2v

Posted by: MTF at August 26, 2016 12:26 PM (/m8T6)

110 49 To me a Populist is a person who says what you want to hear. Ruled by the mob. Damn the resulting consequences in the future .
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 26, 2016 12:10 PM (Sc+fF)

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Historically (as I understand it), Populists have tended, as you suggest, to advocate tyranny by the majority. Populists also tend to argue that complex problems are actually very simple and have easy, quick solutions that are only being blocked by the knowing, malicious intervention of some insidious group of elites, most often members of an out-group.

The Populists ere is arguing that all power should rest in the hands of the mob just as progressives ere in wanting to see all power rest in the hands of a small group of "experts." The founders established the U.S. government in such a way, of course, that neither of these was supposed to happen. In particular, things like the electoral college and the appointment of Senators by Governors gives an impression of just how concerned they were with rule by mob.

Populism, basically, is the French, not the US Revolution.

This doesn't mean that the GOPe isn't broken, its members spineless weasels. It is. But undiluted Populism is not the answer.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 12:26 PM (mFkVC)

111
Our govt has scuttled the quaint notion of representative government.

Look, each US Rep has a constituency -- that's the only "lobby" s/he needs to worry about.

But me saying this is negatively labeled 'populism by the corrupt Shits who dont their nice gigs to go away.

Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 12:26 PM (APlKx)

112 By "a while" I meant "some time that I'm too lazy to look up and be specific about."
So thanks!
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 26, 2016 12:24 PM (dzmBR)

I'll give Ataturk props. He had the right idea. The falling apart of the order he established is a recent thing.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 12:26 PM (yn2Me)

113 All kidding aside, any candidate for office, from dog-catcher to Supreme Lord of the Realm would win in a landslide in Austin if he ran on a hobo-hunting platform.

This sh*t has gotten out of hand. 70 some OD'd in the past two days on K2, and they've made yuuge swathes of downtown no-go zones

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 26, 2016 12:27 PM (lutOX)

114 The engine of modernity runs on merit. The engine of postmodernity runs on narcissism - its all about me. Obama perfectly reflects postmodernity in every way.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 26, 2016 12:27 PM (oDCMR)

115 i couldn't find the sniper hidden in all those words

Posted by: MacGruber at August 26, 2016 12:27 PM (sgrzZ)

116 104 British feminist whines that men are unwilling to risk a sexual harassment charge to flirt with her (and other women) and this leads to self-esteem issues and maybe the Government should step in and fix them problem.
I am making NONE of that up.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/24/ lads-britain-needs-you-to-do-your-duty-and-get-flirting/#
Posted by: V the K at August 26, 2016 12:26 PM (O7MnT)

Men - can't they do anything right?

The amazing thing is that they found a feminist who isn't batting for the other team.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 26, 2016 12:28 PM (SRKgf)

117 Populism's kind of a two-edged sword. It can force needed reforms than can bring the public sphere more in tune with the needs and wishes of the people. It can also birth dangerous demagogues. The fact is it's always there, usually under the surface, but it only becomes noticed when things are badly out of balance one way or the other, as they are now.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2016 12:28 PM (9krrF)

118 And when was the last time there was a burning skeleton head around here, anyway?
Posted by: Weasel
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The pretense that cosmic justice would be served in consequence of the revelations associated with the burning skull has slowly been wept away since 2008.

I would say that the nail in the coffin was Lois Lerner.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 26, 2016 12:29 PM (9mTYi)

119 Ta-Neishi Coates

Last seen bailing on a really, really nice townhouse in Brooklyn because pictures of the upscale interior got posted on the Web and all of the idiots that take him seriously were all 'wut? livin' in luxury? Sellout!' and he realized his success conflicted with his stated worldview of bein' a brutha kept down by the Man!

I'm sure he eventually found someplace just as nice, but without any pictures available.

After all, what the hell good is The Struggle if you can't cash in big time?

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at August 26, 2016 12:29 PM (nd1zx)

120 British feminist whines that men are unwilling to risk a sexual harassment charge to flirt with her (and other women)

Who could have seen that coming?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 12:29 PM (Cd8NC)

121 It is why the people running our civilization have never developed the virtues necessary to carry out their duties adequately. Determined to always think of themselves as persons out of power, they never learned to regard themselves as persons with power, and all the responsibilities power entails. They never learned to imagine the kinds of moral formation that would fit a person for rule, rather than for protest.

interesting insight

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 12:29 PM (qCMvj)

122 "Consider the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates."

"Whitey bad."

You're welcome.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 26, 2016 12:29 PM (oVJmc)

123 I've asked liberals why they're so mad and they don't have an answer. They don't think they are angry!

But, since utopia was supposed to happen when they took over, and we haven't reached utopia yet, then there must still be liberal work to be done. Someone, somewhere must be standing in the way of progress.

It's a mental illness, I tell ya.

Posted by: PJ at August 26, 2016 12:31 PM (cHuNI)

124 OT,but is it only me who has an issue with the length of time it takes for the site to load recently?

Wait and wait. Getting annoying (yes I have Adblock).

Is there a work-around available? If not, I'll deal, a solution would be great,though.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 26, 2016 12:31 PM (X35Yt)

125 tslr, not balderdash, effing or otherwise, if you think T-Rump's the candidate without engaging the mass illegal migration catastrophe (and the collateral negatives that go along with it), you're looking at a different country.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 12:31 PM (QDnY+)

126 Hugh Hewitt was bloviating this morning about the "Alt Right" - whatever the hell that is - and said those people are the same ones who claim there is a GOP establishment, and the people who would vote for Kelly Ward in AZ.

He then went on to endorse John McCain.

People like Hewitt and his ilk are the problem in the GOP, not alleged populists.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 12:31 PM (kFnmp)

127 I'll paraphrase one of the New England wise guys: "Never say it on the phone if you can say it in person. never say it in person if you and the guy are sympatico. if you and the guy ain't sympatico, you shouldn't be talking to him anyway.'

A paraphrase of the advice attributed to the Boston Irish ward boss Martin Lomasney:

Never write if you can speak, never speak if you can nod, never nod if you can wink.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 26, 2016 12:31 PM (X6fMO)

128 I defer to the Ace of Spade stylebook. What say we ask for a ruling from the arbiters? We can't even discuss these issues without an agreed-upon set of definitions.

I vote the term "conservative" vis-a-vis political philosophy be retired, as it has been debased past the point of having any real meaning.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2016 12:31 PM (9krrF)

129 Hey, who's running things, anyway? Whoever it is has made a mess of everything from Syria to Libya to Egypt to Yemen to ISIS to Ukraine to the EU. And don't get me started on Obamacare!

I have half a mind to put down my putter and go rip that guy a new one!

Posted by: Barky at August 26, 2016 12:31 PM (PL2OL)

130
Look at Kelly Ayotte.
She was elected as a tea party conservative. A 'populist,' if you like.

Ayotte got to D.C. and became a WHORE for the lobbyists. Now she's panicking and all she knows how to do is go further to the Left to not be out-Democrated by her Democrat opponent. It's pathetic.

Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 12:31 PM (APlKx)

131 Indeed, it's arguable the constitution was designed to be a bulwark against the ebbs and flows of populism.
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The sovereign power of the United States resides in the People. Not the government. The constitution was written to establish a government responsible for guaranteeing the rights of the People to life and liberty. When an administration oversteps its authority, "populism" intensifies. We all prefer peaceful resolutions of political conflict through free and fair elections.

The next two months should be interesting.

Posted by: mrp at August 26, 2016 12:31 PM (JBggj)

132 The governor of Maine has my full respect. Some Democrat asshole legislator called Gov. LePage a racist, probably for not supporting free phones or some such bullshit, and the governor responded by talking about how he wishes dueling were still legal so he could shoot the scumbag. I am in favor of this.

Remember, this is the same guy who is married to the excellent woman who wanted a new car so she went out and got a part-time waitressing job. The lefties sniff-sniffed themselves silly about the first lady of Maine taking "undignified" work.

Posted by: MTF at August 26, 2016 12:32 PM (/m8T6)

133 OT: well my "productive" day didn't last long. Worked out a map for doing some job hunting. What I thought would take all morning long was finished in less than an hour. Doesn't take long for multiple people to say no.

I know it isn't personal, but I still don't handle rejection real well. Job hunting is sooooo depressing. Just seems like a total waste of time.

Was going to go to the range after, but I might take a road trip instead. Haven't done that in a while.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 26, 2016 12:32 PM (Idu2i)

134 Trump is, as was said about a character in the movie 'Happy Texas'...a 'Big dick cop'.....more balls than brain and a heart as big as all outdoors. And reckless. Very reckless.

Compared to Haggulus and her Marxists fellow travelers, I am taking Big Dick --for the win!

Posted by: NPR certified--Too White to Comment at August 26, 2016 12:33 PM (AV4JD)

135 126 Hugh Hewitt was bloviating this morning about the "Alt Right" - whatever the hell that is - and said those people are the same ones who claim there is a GOP establishment, and the people who would vote for Kelly Ward in AZ.

He then went on to endorse John McCain.

People like Hewitt and his ilk are the problem in the GOP, not alleged populists.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 12:31 PM (kFnmp)
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Hewitt has no idea what the "alt-right" is. He's been tossing around his own dumb definition (anyone opposed to the GOPe) and lots of people have been telling him its entirely wrong (which it is). He doesn't want to listen.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 12:33 PM (mFkVC)

136 Look at Kelly Ayotte.
She was elected as a tea party conservative. A 'populist,' if you like.

Ayotte got to D.C. and became a WHORE for the lobbyists.

Amen, but people will tell you she's "the best we can do" in N.H. Um, no.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 12:33 PM (kFnmp)

137
Im glad Ayotte's gonna lose.
I dont give a shit about losing the Senate.
Im done having that gun held to my head.

Fuck Them All.

Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 12:33 PM (APlKx)

138 The Elites - "See!!! All you rubes are making us lie to you so we can keep our cushy useless jobs."

Shorter version.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 26, 2016 12:33 PM (Y2VBD)

139 Hewitt has no idea what the "alt-right" is. He's been tossing around his own dumb definition (anyone opposed to the GOPe) and lots of people have been telling him its entirely wrong (which it is). He doesn't want to listen.

Honestly, the only decent Salem Radio host is Dennis Prager. The rest are garbage.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 12:34 PM (kFnmp)

140 128 I defer to the Ace of Spade stylebook. What say we ask for a ruling from the arbiters? We can't even discuss these issues without an agreed-upon set of definitions.

I vote the term "conservative" vis-a-vis political philosophy be retired, as it has been debased past the point of having any real meaning.
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According the NR and Weekly Standard it means endless Crusades for democracy and a Global Colonial Trading Empire that benefits Manhattan. Totes Conservative.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 26, 2016 12:34 PM (oDCMR)

141 Honestly, the only decent Salem Radio host is Dennis Prager. The rest are garbage.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 12:34 PM (kFnmp)
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I enjoy Prager. I used to like Hewitt, but he is being really annoying in this attempt to create his own definition of "alt-right."

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 12:35 PM (mFkVC)

142 Im glad Ayotte's gonna lose.
I dont give a shit about losing the Senate.
Im done having that gun held to my head.

I'm still not entirely clear what holding it did for us. I know, I know, SCOTUS, but who here doesn't expect they'll fold on that anyway?

It feels like a lot of energy expended for no appreciable result. Which may be wrong, but I somehow doubt it is.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2016 12:35 PM (9krrF)

143

I don't know. Some of these people in power lied to get there (see Hillary), and know exactly what they are doing. No, they don't give a flip about "leading," they only care about power and money. They continue with the charade to keep them in power.

Look at the DC bubble. No one outside it matters.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 12:36 PM (qCMvj)

144 Amen, but people will tell you she's "the best we can do" in N.H.

Whatever became of Ovide LeMontagne. I dug that guy's jib.

Posted by: V the K at August 26, 2016 12:36 PM (O7MnT)

145 Consider the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates.

Uh no. But his walrus pal Chumley has written some brilliant pieces.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 26, 2016 12:37 PM (493sH)

146 I'll give Ataturk props. He had the right idea. The falling apart of the order he established is a recent thing.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 12:26 PM (yn2Me)

The inevitable pushback always happens. It's why I'm for freedom in general, rather than freedom from something (which is what rabid secularism is all about, "freedom from religion.")

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 26, 2016 12:37 PM (dzmBR)

147 Liberals hate populism until their thoughts are popular.

Just like they love freedom except when it's yours.

Posted by: The Amazon Rainforest at August 26, 2016 12:38 PM (Z75pU)

148 I like Levin. When he gets wound up his delivery has the cadence of a "Downfall" rant.

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at August 26, 2016 12:38 PM (ucB75)

149 148 I like Levin. When he gets wound up his delivery has the cadence of a "Downfall" rant.

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at August 26, 2016 12:38 PM (ucB75)
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Is Levin Salem? If so, then yeah, he's the best.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 12:39 PM (mFkVC)

150 The author here makes the case, effectively, that the left has been deliberately and constantly undermining the pillars of our system of ordered liberty for 70 years, even as they have moved into positions of controlling the institutions they brand as corrupt, imperialist, and racist.

for control and power
once they have enough of that, there is no going back

regardless of how many times their "ideology" fails, the blame is placed elsewhere because they just cannot believe their ideas do not work - there is a disconnect with cause and effect, over and over

they are just not rational

my sil keeps telling me her uber far left relatives are "smart" regardless of them being in love with the Democrats and the left - vehemently so - no matter what she tells them (she is conservative), they do not believe her. They are deaf dumb and blind, yet she says they are "smart" because they are PhD degreed and all of that.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 12:40 PM (qCMvj)

151

Posted by: Fritz at August 26, 2016 12:40 PM (2Mnv1)

152 The sovereign power of the United States resides in the People. Not the government.

Posted by: mrp at August 26, 2016 12:31 PM (JBggj)

Hahahahahahahaha! How quaint.

Posted by: the FDA, FDIC, FBI, FEC, and a thousand other agencies filled with unelected bureaucrats at August 26, 2016 12:40 PM (yn2Me)

153 It feels like a lot of energy expended for no appreciable result. Which may be wrong, but I somehow doubt it is.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2016 12:35 PM (9krrF

It's hard to say how worse thigns would have been if we didn't have the senate.

Recall, the period when we didn't gave us Obamacare.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 26, 2016 12:41 PM (dzmBR)

154 145:... (pause)...

lol!

brilliant.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at August 26, 2016 12:41 PM (WTSFk)

155 Hewitt has no idea what the "alt-right" is. He's been tossing around his own dumb definition (anyone opposed to the GOPe) and lots of people have been telling him its entirely wrong (which it is). He doesn't want to listen.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 12:33 PM (mFkVC)

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Hewitt may have the best definition then. Most who have identified themselves as alternative right usually do so to distinguish themselves from National Review-style, GOPe conservatism.

Posted by: RioBravo at August 26, 2016 12:41 PM (NUqwG)

156 Never write if you can speak, never speak if you can nod, never nod if you can wink.
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and a nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse...

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 26, 2016 12:41 PM (GHdiF)

157 Synopsis: The feral children are now in charge. We will be governed by their undisciplined desires. Put adults back in charge.

So, repackaged Lord of the Flies?

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at August 26, 2016 12:42 PM (FtrY1)

158 Not sure if Levin is with Salem, but if so, yes, I like him a lot. Hewitt, Medved, et al? Pass.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 12:42 PM (kFnmp)

159 As long as there are injustices in the world, you will never be free from guilt, wingnut.

Posted by: Fritz at August 26, 2016 12:43 PM (2Mnv1)

160 First of all, I'm not even sure what "populist" means.

Ah Populous - nothing like being able to target people with a tornado.

Posted by: DaveA at August 26, 2016 12:43 PM (8J/Te)

161 The US economy grew 0.8% in the first quarter of 2016

The second quarter "growth" has just been downgraded from 1.2% to 1.1%

After-tax corporate profits FELL 2.4% in the second quarter.

Who wants four more years of the same (or worse)?

Posted by: mrp at August 26, 2016 12:43 PM (JBggj)

162 Posted by: RioBravo at August 26, 2016 12:41 PM (NUqwG)

"Alt-Right" seems to be one of those ever narrowing terms.

Several years back people would say I was a part of it because I'm opposed to a political class.
Now it seems to be people screaming "CUCK!" all the time.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 26, 2016 12:43 PM (dzmBR)

163 It's hard to say how worse thigns would have been if we didn't have the senate.

Recall, the period when we didn't gave us Obamacare.

And the period that we did gave us DHS, TSA, Part D...honestly I could just go on and on.

The problem with counterfactuals is you don't know. You can only argue by what you do know--and what we do now know about the GOP is, well, pretty damning.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2016 12:43 PM (9krrF)

164

ah, a Rush descriptor

"media type Republicans"

good name for them

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 12:44 PM (qCMvj)

165 According the NR and Weekly Standard it means endless Crusades for democracy and a Global Colonial Trading Empire that benefits Manhattan. Totes Conservative.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 26, 2016 12:34 PM (oDCMR)

You left out the most important part: endless mail solicitations to conservatives asking them to send money to totes conservative think tanks that support totes conservative values.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 12:44 PM (yn2Me)

166 I'm a Victim of My Privileged Circumstances

--

Affluenza.

The struggle is surreal.

Posted by: @votermom at August 26, 2016 12:44 PM (Om16U)

167 Country Boy, hang in there! Maybe it's time to plan a fall colors trip?

Posted by: pookysgirl at August 26, 2016 12:44 PM (EDZkQ)

168 Hewitt may have the best definition then. Most who have identified themselves as alternative right usually do so to distinguish themselves from National Review-style, GOPe conservatism.
Posted by: RioBravo at August 26, 2016 12:41 PM (NUqwG)

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If you oppose the GOPe because they are not actually Conservative in the sense it has been understood since Reagan, you are NOT alt-right. That simply isn't what it means, and that isn't what the alt-right claims it means.

Again, read Milo's piece in Brietbart on what the alt-right is. He's a big fan of the movement, so you'll see the alt-right as they think of themselves. Also, read the founding documents he points to.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 12:45 PM (mFkVC)

169 Now it seems to be people screaming "CUCK!" all the time.

The media and the GOPe will go after anyone who doesn't fall into line. They mis-categorized the Tea Party, now the Alt Right is nothing but KKK supporters.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 12:45 PM (kFnmp)

170 "The True and Only Heaven; Progress and Its Critics"

Christopher Lasch, who's achieved room temperature but wrote a lotta good stuff on populism and the Treason of the Elites

Posted by: Billy Occam at August 26, 2016 12:45 PM (/542q)

171 Semi-OT, from Insty:

"At the same time, I spoke with a prominent Clinton insider, a person of integrity and high ethical standards."

Wait, which is it? The intersection there has to be the null set.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 26, 2016 12:45 PM (SRKgf)

172 The problem with counterfactuals is you don't know. You can only argue by what you do know--and what we do now know about the GOP is, well, pretty damning.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2016 12:43 PM (9krrF

I'm not going to stand her and defend "compassionate conservatism." That was a total mistake.

Having said that, by definition an HRC with 0 checks is going to be worse than an HRC with even the mere illusion of a check.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 26, 2016 12:45 PM (dzmBR)

173 You left out the most important part: endless mail solicitations to conservatives asking them to send money to totes conservative think tanks that support totes conservative values.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 12:44 PM (yn2Me)

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Jobs!

Posted by: RioBravo at August 26, 2016 12:45 PM (NUqwG)

174 Country Boy, I would so take a road trip of my own, except...well, the Horde's heard my tales enough, I think.

I miss only having to worry about myself.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2016 12:45 PM (9krrF)

175 "First of all, I'm not even sure what "populist" means. It seems to me to
mean someone who believes the people running things are dishonest,
self-serving, and inept."

I think that about almost all liberals/leftists, not just their leaders.

Posted by: Ripley. at August 26, 2016 12:46 PM (1BQGO)

176 Lord of the Flies Redux?

How about all elected officials get an explosive collar. If enough people press their button - ka boom!

Just a modest reform proposal.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 26, 2016 12:46 PM (Y2VBD)

177 Here is my idea of populism.

Populism is the response given when you are asked to choose between cutting off your right arm or cutting off your left arm.

Populism is when the choice becomes which of these bastards asking you to cut off one of your arms do we shoot first?

Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 12:47 PM (OUjkK)

178 She was elected as a tea party conservative. A 'populist,' if you like.

Ayotte got to D.C. and became a WHORE for the lobbyists.
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Almost everyone is corruptible, and the system is designed to corrupt people. Ayotte, I am sure, will we well taken care of after she leaves government - were she to have stuck to her tea party roots, that would not be true.

So somehow we have to change the incentives for elected officials, but we can only do it through elected officials, who will of course oppose anything that restricts their opportunities for graft.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2016 12:47 PM (X7E8f)

179 I really feel like simply voting out every incumbent on every ballot from now on. The longer they "serve," the more despicable they become.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 12:47 PM (kFnmp)

180 >>"At the same time, I spoke with a prominent Clinton insider, a person of integrity and high ethical standards."

Spoke to the dead?

Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 12:47 PM (NOIQH)

181 if ( mostly or entirely ) what you're trying to 'conserve' is the right of foreign people to immigrate here and take your job and unhinge your society and trash your culture and f*ckin kill you....

you're a cuck

Posted by: Billy Occam at August 26, 2016 12:47 PM (/542q)

182 ive come to believe every few years they send out a chosen shill to use old words and known terms to seduce us into believing they still love America as a free country, which is of course b.s. if they actually believed what they espouse to us they would fight tooth and nail to hold the countries leaders they have cocktails with accountable for the fiscal disaster they inflict on all of us. Of course they have chosen to sell us out while shoving monies into their own nest eggs.

I guess I sound bitter, because I am, I have children that do not get to experience the freedom to succeed without one thousand road blocks put up by these regulating sobs.

Posted by: willow at August 26, 2016 12:47 PM (A1MMY)

183 Having said that, by definition an HRC with 0 checks is going to be worse than an HRC with even the mere illusion of a check.

If you really think the GOP wouldn't be castrated and/or outlawed by Herself, I can see that stance. Given what I suspect of her plans (which I've gone over before) I consider it a distinction without a difference.

I guess it's a question of premises.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2016 12:47 PM (9krrF)

184 Show of hands - who here trusts government?
I just assume the bigger the government, the bigger fucking they're gonna give me.

Posted by: tubal at August 26, 2016 12:47 PM (d6TTt)

185 some very thoughtful things in post and comments ... Orwell review, sure.

Indeed the PC cultural Marxism is now hard core"populism". PC thinking came with a lot of hard work by "The Naked Communist" forcing their subversive disruptions into culture from grade school on.

Trump is more Americanist, which appeals to those now resisting the PC "populism by indoctrination". Maybe the "Ugly American" over-reached, in fighting for democracies around the world, or maybe they were just undercut by Democrats (selling out our S Vietnam allies, or leaving Iraq early).

In any case, PC was made populist by Soviet commies like those that raised Valerie/Barack in Chicago. It is multi-culti moral equivalence religion of diversity, intended to degrade us, most successfully via the 1965 immigration suicidal law.

"Americanist" is popular with the resistance forces that actually still make America function ... the middle class. "Populist" is all the schisms formed by divide and conquer leftists, but because they are the dummies, they call themselves "progressive". And because "populist" is generally a negative term, they use that to label middle class America as "stupid hateful populists".

Posted by: illiniwek at August 26, 2016 12:48 PM (l6e0e)

186 Democrats have been undermining the Republic of the United States for longer than 70 years.

I believe their party or philosophy could be traced back to the Colonial Tories (or Royalists if you will) and have always had the destruction of the US as one of their main objectives.

They do not wish to have the people choose their political leaders. They do not respond to the people's needs, they act and govern as oligarchs and bureaucrats (the closest they can get to monarchy that our constitution allows) and seek to divide the people and make them more and more reliant on the whims of the government and not laws written by men.

They seek to elevate whoever they can to positions of power as popular choices who can rule without oversight or regulation. (Monarchy). They have always sought to bring down the Republic, have always aided and abetted our enemies and have undermined the rule of law almost from the beginning.

It is they who instituted the poison in the founding by demanding that slavery be allowed to continue and it is they who have harnessed the Black slaves' ancestors into their shock troops and consistent voters even though they have made the living conditions for Blacks far worse than they were as recently as the '50's.

They've used the same game plan to bring in other disaffected minorities and otherwise radical rabble rousers who's main purpose is to create anarchy allowing the government to gain more and more power over every aspect of the people's lives without their oversight or veto.

Until they've been thoroughly discredited and denied power we will continue to have this fight over and over again. Sapping the strength and resolve of the nation until they get their way. Which ironically will be their ultimate demise.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 26, 2016 12:48 PM (ECJ+C)

187 The media and the GOPe will go after anyone who doesn't fall into line. They mis-categorized the Tea Party, now the Alt Right is nothing but KKK supporters.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 12:45 PM (kFnmp

I don't need the media to tell me what actually happens to my twitter timeline whenever I say something supportive of anything not-Trump.

And I've been on twitter long enough to separate out Russian nesting eggs from accounts that have real people behind them.

There is, in fact, a component of the alt-right that is unabashedly nativist, if not outright racist. How much is hard to tell.

The problem is the whole mess with the anti-SJW. The alt-right seems to think the way to fight PC is to be as anti-PC as possible, but this is highly counterproductive.
Sure I could fight the PC nature of academia by teaching a classed called "Fuck you you fuckers and the fucking fucks you rode in on." But no one will take me seriously.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 26, 2016 12:48 PM (dzmBR)

188 So somehow we have to change the incentives for elected officials, but we can only do it through elected officials, who will of course oppose anything that restricts their opportunities for graft.

So, like term limits, it will never happen.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 12:48 PM (kFnmp)

189 Again, read Milo's piece in Brietbart on what the alt-right is. He's a big fan of the movement, so you'll see the alt-right as they think of themselves.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 12:45 PM (mFkVC)
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Except for the fact that the component of the alt-right he is referring to considered his analysis to be quite faulty and WRONG. They did find it helpful though.

Posted by: RioBravo at August 26, 2016 12:48 PM (NUqwG)

190 "How about all elected officials get an explosive collar. If enough people press their button - ka boom!"

I'll go along with that, if my button comes with a "Full Auto" selector. My button alone would look like a sequel to Kingsman with all the exploding heads. Why waltz when you can rock and roll?

Posted by: Qoheleth at August 26, 2016 12:48 PM (iIzG7)

191
Look at the DC bubble. No one outside it matters.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 12:36 PM (qCMvj)

Honestly, not many inside the bubble matter either. Only a very select few who are invited to all the parties. Most of DC consists of drones and worker bees who believe the sewage fed to them by their betters, yet constantly wonder why things don't GET better. Then their cocktail party betters tell them it's because of (fill in the blank-Tea Party, whites, Christians, haters, etc) and they jump on the bandwagon to vilify these folks, without ever spending a minute in thought as to why they are so bad.

These folks (us, to be blunt) aren't bad. We question the cocktail party goers, and they can't have that. But if you don't think for yourself, you will never know that.

Posted by: Moki at August 26, 2016 12:48 PM (VnCI9)

192 11 So. Do we watch the movie?
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2016 11:57 AM (Cd8NC)

Unfortunately, we're living it.

Posted by: rickl at August 26, 2016 12:48 PM (zoehZ)

193 Talking about left wing populism/elitism is rather pointless.

The left is ends focused. If populism will advance their ends, as in say 1992, they are all in favor of it.

If instead elitism will advance their ends, as in say 2016, they are all in favor of it instead.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2016 12:49 PM (X7E8f)

194 I read the whole damn thing. I did not like it. I disagree with much of it.

Seems to me the entire essay was a backdoor plea to save the institutions of power themselves, and just clean the ne'er-do-wells out of them.

Bullshit. The halls of power attract assholes. Because assholes crave power. You simply can not create these powerful entities and simultaneously keep them free of those who will use them for bad intent.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 26, 2016 12:49 PM (qoKAm)

195 Conservativism means that America is a Proposition Nation. It is a nation with no particular history, culture, tradition or people.

The Proposition that America stands for it that it should not stand for any proposition, and certainly not the interests of native American citizens. America the Proposition Nation is to serve as a consumer market to stimulate all the manufactures of the world, except for its own.

America has nothing at all to do with the Judeo-Christian ethic. Let the Mohammedan, the Tribalist, the Cow-Worshipping Hindoo, yeah even the Cannibal (jungle, not bath salts) come and colonize this Proposition Nation in as many numbers as can be transported here.

And let America send forth Armies to assure those Muslim Brothers who would install Islamic Republics around the world, that their enemies are our enemies!

Posted by: National Review, The Weekly Standard & Commentary at August 26, 2016 12:49 PM (PL2OL)

196 That is a very interesting article. I'm not sure I accept his definition of populism as being anti-institutions qua institutions but I do see from whence he draws support for that position.

I would posit, rather, that what is currently being described as populism in America and, as best I can tell, the UK and possibly France, though France is, as always, it's own special class of political theory, is a revolt seeking to *restore* institutions rather than tear them down.

To wit: much of the furor running through America today is over the very real and valid perception that playing by the rules is a game for fools. Take the 2010 and 2014 wave elections. In both those elections, the GOP promised voters that if those voters gave them power via exercise of the franchise and based on reliance on representative government, then the overreach of authority exercised by Obama and the Democrats would be fought against. We know how that story ends.

This is the primal shriek of a citizenry who is demanding to be treated as citizens and not subjects. It's not a call for the destruction of institutions, it's a scream to stop tearing them down and put them back in place. It is those who are in power who are using the wrecking ball, not those standing athwart.

He is correct that this is 70+ years in the making and he is also correct on the perpetual outsider role. As I noted before the 2012 election, a sitting United States President was about to run as a political outsider. Because in his world view, he was. It is utter intellectual immaturity to refuse to acknowledge that when you are elected to office or appointed to high office or work your way up through the administrative services to a point where you have the power to cause others to do as you will or face the end of a gun that you are no longer part of the outside and are no longer being oppressed.

Alas, the answer to that requires intellectual maturity, some level of humility that you are but a servant of the people and the willingness to forego use of power.

Since humans are gonna human, I know how this story ends.

I despair, I despair.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at August 26, 2016 12:50 PM (mf5HN)

197 The problem is the whole mess with the anti-SJW. The alt-right seems to think the way to fight PC is to be as anti-PC as possible, but this is highly counterproductive.
Sure I could fight the PC nature of academia by teaching a classed called "Fuck you you fuckers and the fucking fucks you rode in on." But no one will take me seriously.

Absolutely correct. And Twitter has outlived its usefulness. It's nothing but shouting over there.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 12:50 PM (kFnmp)

198 The media and the GOPe will go after anyone who doesn't fall into line. They mis-categorized the Tea Party, now the Alt Right is nothing but KKK supporters.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 12:45 PM (kFnmp)

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You are correct that the Tea Party was unfairly savaged. The Alt-Right is NOT being unfairly savaged.

I understand that, having seen the racist label applied unfairly to Conservative movements so often, the natural impulse is to defend them. But in this case, the allegations (and allegations of virulent anti-semitism) have a lot of truth to them.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 12:50 PM (mFkVC)

199 I dont give a shit about losing the Senate.
Im done having that gun held to my head.

Fuck Them All.

Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 12:33 PM (APlKx)

Not sure you'll be able to tell the difference if we "lose" the Senate!

Posted by: S. Hari'a at August 26, 2016 12:51 PM (wCEn4)

200 Before I forget...

This is way, way NSFW (so most of you will not want to check these out) and completely OT, but since Gawker is rumored to be going off into the dustbin of internet history today, the bravest souls among you should surely check out Olivia Munn's hack of her captioned telephone photos intended for her old boyfriend, Chris Pine. Her attitude about having them leak is pretty awesome as well.

http://tinyurl.com/7yaxpg7

Posted by: MTF at August 26, 2016 12:51 PM (/m8T6)

201 "cushy useless jobs"
I thought it was "phony baloney jobs"?
(blazing saddles)

I won't more (blazing saddles') work..work..work

Posted by: Ok at August 26, 2016 12:51 PM (sGWK0)

202 173 You left out the most important part: endless mail solicitations to conservatives asking them to send money to totes conservative think tanks that support totes conservative values.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 12:44 PM (yn2Me)
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Jobs!
Posted by: RioBravo at August 26, 2016 12:45 PM (NUqwG)

Yes, jobs for GOPe lobbyists and DC insiders.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 12:51 PM (yn2Me)

203 I'm not sure I agree with this one. MY understanding of the word "populism" is basically the idea that we should go with the will of the majority of people. If your idea is the most popular, it's got the majority approach.

Trump seems to fit this model better than the so called Elite class. If the Elite class was really populist, they wouldn't need to resort to the judiciary to give legitimacy to their agenda. If the leftist agenda was populist, Prop 8 should have gone the other way.

I don't really think that conservatism is really a populist ideology either because the statements "people should be left to their own devices" and "let the majority rule" are not the same thing. Populism can go down really dark roads if left unchecked, and I'd much rather decisions be made on as local a level as possible so as to minimize the 51% beating down the 49% on a given issue.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 26, 2016 12:51 PM (KUaJL)

204 So true, Ace. But Herself will change all this, and after January it'll be lies to power.

There'll be no truth.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at August 26, 2016 12:51 PM (/fuM0)

205 Populist and alt-right are bad scary words.

Posted by: Elite and Superior Being at August 26, 2016 12:52 PM (Om16U)

206 I think its more that the Left must appear angry and unsatisfied so that they continue to have their needs placed foremost.

That's why they are never happy. If they were happy when they got a victory, people would say, "Oh, good, they're happy. Let's move on to the next problem."

This way they can claim they're "struggling" for their goals, even though they achieve every one of them easily.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 26, 2016 12:52 PM (AroJD)

207 I understand that, having seen the racist label applied unfairly to Conservative movements so often, the natural impulse is to defend them. But in this case, the allegations (and allegations of virulent anti-semitism) have a lot of truth to them.

I'm not defending them, per se, since I don't know much about them, and the racist Trump supporters are despicable. I'm just tired of people like Hillary telling people who they are and what they stand for.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 12:53 PM (kFnmp)

208 Republicans always seem to do best when they blend conservatism with populism. They've lost that since the Contract with America. National Security issues then took center stage for a decade.

But if you didn't follow politics very closely, you would say the GOP only really cared about a handful of things. Making sure the top 1% didn't pay a nickel more in taxes (including absurd loopholes like the Wall Street carried interest) even at the expense of broader tax and spending reform.

And that whatever large corporations want is "good for America", and we should give it to them.

Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 12:53 PM (U2pFT)

209 I believe their party or philosophy could be traced back to the Colonial
Tories (or Royalists if you will) and have always had the destruction
of the US as one of their main objectives.
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I'd pin the modern left as rising from the original, proto-fascist progressive movement of the likes of Wilson.

The left went whole hog for communism in the 30s of course, but after the fall of the Soviet Union they gone back to fascism.

Of course it is a distinctly American fascism - they'll bring you before a jury or a tribunal of some kind, where you will nominally have a fair trial...before you are punished for merely engaging in your 1st or 2nd Amendment protected constitutional rights.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2016 12:53 PM (X7E8f)

210 I think its more that the Left must appear angry and unsatisfied so that they continue to have their needs placed foremost.

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Typical manipulative high-maintenance date.

Posted by: @votermom at August 26, 2016 12:54 PM (Om16U)

211 "have a lot of truth to them"

So you want to use the full force of the law to punish them for a thought crime?

So you want to use the full force of the law to force them to bake a cake for some group?

Who are these truth determiners you speak of?

You and your tribe?

Posted by: Ok at August 26, 2016 12:55 PM (sGWK0)

212 "Republicans always seem to do best when they blend conservatism with
populism. They've lost that since the Contract with America."

The "Contract With America" may have been well-intentioned, and it may have been good while it lasted, but never forget that the only Contract With America this country has ever needed is the Constitution. And our elected overlords are in breach of that contract.

Posted by: Qoheleth at August 26, 2016 12:55 PM (iIzG7)

213 I think the Left has the stench of brimstone.

Posted by: @votermom at August 26, 2016 12:55 PM (Om16U)

214 Ace's post points as much to the decline in literacy of common men and women as it does to the immaturity of lefties in power.

Why do responsible voters continue to permit the election of monolithic machine politicians?

Even when elections aren't gerrymandered, like state-wide elections for US Senator, the result is often to elect transparently lying corruptocrats (like McVain).

Either voters are not willing to not take responsibility for their own votes, or they are stupid. Immaturity or ignorance is the only set of explanations I can see.

Posted by: MTF at August 26, 2016 12:55 PM (/m8T6)

215 But if you didn't follow politics very closely, you would say the GOP only really cared about a handful of things. Making sure the top 1% didn't pay a nickel more in taxes (including absurd loopholes like the Wall Street carried interest) even at the expense of broader tax and spending reform.

And that whatever large corporations want is "good for America", and we should give it to them.
Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 12:53 PM (U2pFT)
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Those ARE the issues they care most about winning on. Just add gun rights to the list.

Posted by: RioBravo at August 26, 2016 12:56 PM (NUqwG)

216 Populism means the population is tired of being raped by the Uniparty.

Funny, both union leaders and the chamber of commerce are on the same side. Only fighting over the spoils.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 26, 2016 12:56 PM (OUjkK)

217 Hubby just sent me a GIF of the dancing gopher from Caddy Shack with this underneath it:

I'm alt-right

Nobody worry 'bout me

Why you got to gimme a fight?

Can't you just let it be?

I lol'd....am I the last to see this?

Posted by: Tami at August 26, 2016 12:56 PM (Enq6K)

218 Bullshit. The halls of power attract assholes. Because assholes crave power. You simply can not create these powerful entities and simultaneously keep them free of those who will use them for bad intent.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 26, 2016 12:49 PM (qoKAm)

Now they do.
I recall my teachers of the past. I liked them. I liked school. I trusted them to teach me, and they did. I don't remember any propaganda growing up until college years.

I think many people just got lazy and trusted that what they witnessed growing up would stay the same, and dual-income families came to rise, so everyone was so busy. As soon as you take your eye off the ball...

schools, government etc.

Even the mail delivery was trusted years ago. No more.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 12:56 PM (qCMvj)

219 >>I understand that, having seen the racist label applied unfairly to
Conservative movements so often, the natural impulse is to defend them.
But in this case, the allegations (and allegations of virulent
anti-semitism) have a lot of truth to them.

So what?
Racists exist in all political groups.

Not going to take Clinton's bait and get into an internal debate about whether these guys over here (vs. those guys there, and the other ones over here) are part of "us" whatever "us" is nowadays.

How about we talk about how racist #BLM and La Raza are, eh?
How about we talk about the DNC referring to Latino voters as "taco bowls"?

Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 12:56 PM (NOIQH)

220 Posted by: Ok at August 26, 2016 12:55 PM (sGWK0)

Totes I'll be rounding up my posse immedi...

Wait, now that's not it, simply want to IGNORE THEM and not let them anywhere near my group.

You know, free association and all that jazz.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 26, 2016 12:57 PM (dzmBR)

221 As I noted before the 2012 election, a sitting United States President was about to run as a political outsider.
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This is a very common leftwing strategy though.

In Russia, it was the kulaks and capitalists that were always to blame...even when Stalin controlled the country with an iron fist.

Essentially, it is just the two minute hate of 1984 writ large.

And it amazing how the left has taken 1984 as a how to manual...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2016 12:57 PM (X7E8f)

222 And the Empress weighs in with much to ponder. A fight to restore. Positive motivation.

How goes?

It was a mistake to leave the trees.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 26, 2016 12:57 PM (Y2VBD)

223

This is why I have been endeavoring to be less emotionally involved in politics. It's just not worth it. It's a sick addiction.

I come here, I vent, and then I put my feelings to bed.

And then I make myself a samich.

Posted by: Max Power at August 26, 2016 12:57 PM (q177U)

224 One of these days I'll outline the full matrix of political philosophy.

Populism - elitist
Statist - minarchist
Globalist - nationalist
Traditionalist - social progressive (need a better term here)
Collectivist - individualist

No wonder "conservative" is a useless term. We're trying to quantify five or more axes with a single scale.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2016 12:57 PM (9krrF)

225 Interesting article, ace.

Posted by: Max Power at August 26, 2016 12:57 PM (q177U)

226 I think the Left has the stench of brimstone.

Posted by: @votermom at August 26, 2016 12:55 PM (Om16U)

Sorry, that was me.

*crosses legs*

Posted by: Lena Dunham at August 26, 2016 12:57 PM (uiwCw)

227 So you want to use the full force of the law to punish them for a thought crime?

So you want to use the full force of the law to force them to bake a cake for some group?

Who are these truth determiners you speak of?

You and your tribe?

Posted by: Ok at August 26, 2016 12:55 PM (sGWK0)
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I... think this is a reply to me?

It's hard to tell, because I have never and would never advocate the government limiting the speech of the alt-right, deplorable as they may be.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 12:58 PM (mFkVC)

228 Again, read Milo's piece in Brietbart on what the alt-right is. He's a big fan of the movement, so you'll see the alt-right as they think of themselves. Also, read the founding documents he points to.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 12:45 PM (mFkVC)
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I think person and I disagree on many points, but he's dead right on this. There's enough material out there to form one's own opinion, and, once you skip the obvious partisans, using the term as a club, and go to the sources, there is much to be learned.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 26, 2016 12:58 PM (lutOX)

229 The "Contract With America" may have been well-intentioned, and it may have been good while it lasted, but never forget that the only Contract With America this country has ever needed is the Constitution. And our elected overlords are in breach of that contract.
Posted by: Qoheleth

It was simply the name of a list of what a Republican Congress wanted to accomplish, and much of it was actually done even with a Democrat President.

It was "populist" because it went after issues like welfare reform that the Elites in DC said we shouldn't touch because it was "racist"

Supposedly Newt Gingrich pitched the idea to George HW Bush for his 1992 campaign and he wanted nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 12:58 PM (U2pFT)

230 "definining the alt right" I take the efforts as some who keep going "Oh no it has a specific meaning and a specific group of people that are acting a certain way" is all bull shit smoke screen.

Yeah they'll claim that when they are attempting to define it. But as soon as that's not the priority it likely that they see anyone that supports Trump as an alt-right racist white supremacist nut job.

So I just roll my eyes because I know they're not really arguing in good faith.

Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2016 12:59 PM (bMG0w)

231 I think its more that the Left must appear angry and unsatisfied so that they continue to have their needs placed foremost.

That's why they are never happy. If they were happy when they got a victory, people would say, "Oh, good, they're happy. Let's move on to the next problem."

This way they can claim they're "struggling" for their goals, even though they achieve every one of them easily.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm
****

Almost all of the lefties I have met really are angry and unhappy. It's a their natural state.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale- Skeet Surfer at August 26, 2016 12:59 PM (m3iiU)

232 It would seem "alt right" is kind of like "neocon".
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There is something identifiable, but the left uses either term as a simple epithet (for conservative and Jew respectively).

Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2016 01:00 PM (X7E8f)

233 Too many adjectives and syllables.

Posted by: gawntrail at August 26, 2016 01:00 PM (2q13V)

234
So when this all comes apart and the task of restoring begins, UNLESS what is restored does not follow the path laid out in our Constitution, It will all have been for naught.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 26, 2016 01:00 PM (X35Yt)

235 Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at August 26, 2016 12:50 PM (mf5HN)

Have I ever mentioned how lovely your mind is, Imperial One?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 26, 2016 01:01 PM (X6fMO)

236 It was simply the name of a list of what a Republican Congress wanted to
accomplish, and much of it was actually done even with a Democrat
President.
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Wait, a Republican congress actually has the power to advance its agenda even if it doesn't have the presidency and the courts too?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2016 01:01 PM (X7E8f)

237 So when this all comes apart and the task of restoring begins, UNLESS what is restored does not follow the path laid out in our Constitution, It will all have been for naught.

I think it's already finished. America, as we know it, will cease to exist after four years of Hillary, and the GOPe will simply become more emboldened.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 01:02 PM (gA69l)

238 I mentioned in an earlier thread that the us fda recently shut down over 1, 600 websites or entities that were selling cheap generic viagra. Imagine if you would, the manpower necessary for such an effort. Pretty impressive. Pretty expensive.

But it is only necessary because of the cozy relationship between the government and certain favored few. Viagra should have been off-patent years ago. It should now be an otc generic selling for one dollar per pill. Instead it 20, 30, 40 times that price. So people figured out how to get it cheaply. So a preferred player got the fda to strike in response.

When the game is continually rigged, like a third world banana republic, nobody should be complaining when the governing 'elite' get shown out the door. Hopefully.

Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 26, 2016 01:02 PM (ZFUt7)

239 Reactionary is the real term, since they want America to return to feudal times, with us as the serfs.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 26, 2016 01:02 PM (u82oZ)

240 230 "definining the alt right" I take the efforts as some who keep going "Oh no it has a specific meaning and a specific group of people that are acting a certain way" is all bull shit smoke screen.

Yeah they'll claim that when they are attempting to define it. But as soon as that's not the priority it likely that they see anyone that supports Trump as an alt-right racist white supremacist nut job.

So I just roll my eyes because I know they're not really arguing in good faith.
Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2016 12:59 PM (bMG0w)
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So you just assume that anyone arguing against you is just doing so in bad faith? So your own ideas never get challenged?

Sounds a bit "safe space-y"

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 01:02 PM (mFkVC)

241 Even Ronald Reagan had to "answer" to this nonsense because certain white supremacist were backing him.

This charge is always going to be trotted out, and I'm not interested in purging every person with a politically incorrect thought from conservatism. The Left is honestly much worse on these types of issues, but its among the protected class.

Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 01:03 PM (U2pFT)

242

ot on the globalists

3. Frexit

The EU might---just---survive an Italian-led assault on the eurozone. It could not conceivably survive in its current form if France elects National Front leader Marine Le Pen to the presidency next May. Le Pen is campaigning for a wholesale renegotiation of the EU's treaties, restoring the primacy of national law, declawing the European Central Bank, ending free movement, and effectively killing the Single Market.

http://fortune.com/2016/08/24/austria-italy-france-eu-exit/

from Auxit, to Quitaly, to Frexit

things might get interesting

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 01:03 PM (qCMvj)

243 The "outsider" nonsense by such as Obama is, as most other issues engaged by that article, a lot simpler than it is portrayed.

It was a tactical approach, conceivable only in an America with such a collapsed information system and degraded electorate, to appeal to the segment of the electorate that forever wants to vote "against" things they don't like, which are usually vague poorly understood "bad" things that no president has any effect on in any case.

Obama has had a life where his biggest struggles probably were the typical trials of adolescence. Beyond that, he has been handed everything, and walked (lazily) through a landscape of increasing degradation, racism, and ignorance, to where he - an absurd figure to run for any high office, much less the Oval one - was easily elected president.

And I know many of the people we're supposed to be talking about. Not a one of them has the slightest connection to all the stuff addressed in the essay. They simply seek power, some because it's just their field and they want to rise, but none of them with any "understanding" of real issues worthy of the term. They are not, as a practical matter, very smart, they don't understand policy or history or the American experience, and they don't care. Because a working majority (or more) of their constituencies don't know, or care, either.

Just pushing the buttons of a dumbed-down, lazy, NPR-level electorate is quite easy - especially when that electorate marinates in the myths and bigotries underlying their "worldview" 24/7.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2016 01:03 PM (QDnY+)

244 @ 239

No inclination to be a serf, I have too much ammo.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 26, 2016 01:04 PM (X35Yt)

245 Posted by: irongrampa at August 26, 2016 01:00 PM (X35Yt)

The concept of a Constitution contract with the people is what made us unique. I sure hope we can achieve a semblance of resurrecting it!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 26, 2016 01:04 PM (wCEn4)

246 Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 01:02 PM (mFkVC)

Just tedious boring people that have demonstrated that hey are doing it. Like you.

Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2016 01:04 PM (bMG0w)

247 I despair, I despair.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at August 26, 2016 12:50 PM (mf5HN)

I used to do that. Now it's "I prepare, I prepare". I don't trust that this will end peacefully, but I do intend to try to survive it as best I can.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 26, 2016 01:04 PM (uiwCw)

248 Person, who is more racist - the Alt-right, #BLM, or La Raza?

Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 01:05 PM (NOIQH)

249
Why are you letting anyone, let alone your enemies, define you?

Who gives a fark what the Left and their RINO puppets say about you.

Stop letting these Shits bother you.
You empower Shits when you let them bother you with labels and accusations.

Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 01:05 PM (APlKx)

250
It's way past time we started hurling shit back at these cocksuckers.

It felt so good to hear Donald Trump say Hillary Clinton s a bigot. So so good.

Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 01:06 PM (APlKx)

251 Stop letting these Shits bother you.

So stop eating at McDonald's?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2016 01:06 PM (gA69l)

252 Just tedious boring people that have demonstrated that hey are doing it. Like you.
Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2016 01:04 PM (bMG0w)

Just to be clear, I don't think every, or most, or even many, people who are going to vote for Trump are Alt-Right.

In fact, I am interested is in defining the Alt-Right and arguing they are not Conservatives.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 01:06 PM (mFkVC)

253 Wait, a Republican congress actually has the power to advance its agenda even if it doesn't have the presidency and the courts too?
Posted by: 18-1

I'll say this though, the country had made a right turn and Bill Clinton knew he either had to moderate or he would be a one term President. Democrats also had seen several 49 state landslides to keep them up at night.

Obama has a much different America and media and has taken advantage of that.

Posted by: Maritime at August 26, 2016 01:07 PM (U2pFT)

254
In fact, I am interested is in defining the Alt-Right and arguing they are not Conservatives.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 01:06 PM (mFkVC)

uh-huh. Sure you are.

Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2016 01:07 PM (bMG0w)

255 Corgis!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 26, 2016 01:08 PM (wCEn4)

256 oh my, I guess this is what ya'll were talking about

LePage called the lawmaker a "socialist c*cksucker" and later said he would like to have an armed duel.

"Mr. Gattine, this is Gov. Paul Richard LePage," the governor said on a voicemail to Democratic State Rep. Drew Gattine. "I would like to talk to you about your comments about my being a racist, you c*cksucker. I want to talk to you. I want you to prove that I'm a racist. I've spent my life helping black people and you little son-of-a-bitch, socialist c*cksucker, you -- I need you to, just friggin' -- I want you to record this and make it public because I am after you. Thank you."

ahahaha

daily caller if you haven't read it

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 01:08 PM (qCMvj)

257 uh-huh. Sure you are.
Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2016 01:07 PM (bMG0w)

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Can I attribute false motives to you now? I bet I can come up with some neat ones.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 26, 2016 01:08 PM (mFkVC)

258
Person, who is more racist - the Alt-right, #BLM, or La Raza?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 01:05 PM

The new age dictionary says only whitey is racist.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 26, 2016 01:09 PM (IqV8l)

259

oh, holy h*ll, he doesn't stop

There the governor said: "When a snot-nosed little guy from Westbrook calls me a racist, now I'd like him to come up here because, tell you right now, I wish it were 1825. And we would have a duel, that's how angry I am, and I would not put my gun in the air, I guarantee you, I would not be [ Alexander ] Hamilton. I would point it right between his eyes, because he is a snot-nosed little runt and he has not done a damn thing since he's been in this Legislature to help move the state forward.'

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 01:09 PM (qCMvj)

260
he would like to have an armed duel.

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We'd have a much more polite society...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2016 01:10 PM (X7E8f)

261 >>The new age dictionary says only whitey is racist.

I know, right?

Let's add CAIR to the mix: who is more racist, Alt-right, #BLM, La Raza or CAIR.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 01:10 PM (NOIQH)

262 Person, who is more racist - the Alt-right, #BLM, or La Raza?
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Alt-right, because they're white.

#duh

Posted by: Lifelong Conservative for Hillary at August 26, 2016 01:10 PM (GHdiF)

263 "must appear angry and unsatisfied"

Pays well and gives a nice adrenaline rush.

Posted by: Ok at August 26, 2016 01:10 PM (sGWK0)

264 oh, holy h*ll, he doesn't stop
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Falsely calling someone a racist should lead to this sort of response.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2016 01:10 PM (X7E8f)

265 Let's add CAIR to the mix
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Islam is not a race.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2016 01:11 PM (X7E8f)

266 Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2016 12:19 PM (5115x)

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Shit! There you go, chemjeff. Writing something I agree with. Damn you!

Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2016 01:12 PM (Fmupd)

267

nood

Nood

NOOD

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 26, 2016 01:12 PM (qCMvj)

268 >>>It felt so good to hear Donald Trump say Hillary Clinton s a bigot. So so good. Posted by: M Magoo's at August 26, 2016 01:06 PM (APlKx)

And a condescending one at that. The slap-yo-mama "I ain't no-ways tahrd" ought to be seen as verbal blackface. Those who should be most insulted probably find it an endearing gesture toward empathy. Shame.

Trump hasn't gone nearly far enough with his allegory-of-the-cave moment, though the result will likely be pathetically the same...

Posted by: General Zod at August 26, 2016 01:12 PM (Bdeb0)

269 >>Islam is not a race.

Yep, but people are called raaacists for linking Islam to terrorism

Also, CAIR partnered with #BLM and has gotten into the anti-white race racket.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2016 01:13 PM (NOIQH)

270 OMG.

I parachute in here for a little fun while I eat lunch,

and you guys are still indulging the #NeverTrumptards and Soros trolls-

on their "alt-right" alinskyism.

Delightful.

Later taters.

Boring, robotic soros trolls are boring.

and robotic.

and trolls.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 26, 2016 01:13 PM (HGtd0)

271 We are in an age of reaction, seems to me.

Be warned - reaction is never pretty. It led to, among other things, the American Revolution.

The colonists were not, initially, arguing for anything so grand as the rights of Man, or universal principles.

No. Their rights as Englishmen were trampled upon; had the Crown respected their rights, who's to say what would have happened on this continent.

You can only push people so far for so long before something happens.

Something is happening now.

Trump is part of this. So, too, is the alt-right, whatever that might be or mean.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 26, 2016 01:14 PM (lutOX)

272 SAVE AMERICA
VOTE TRUMP

Posted by: Myshiba at August 26, 2016 01:15 PM (0mskG)

273 "Consider the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates"

During the Cultural Revolution in China, people who uttered words like these were sent to the countryside to labor in the rice paddies in an effort to bring them closer to the real people.

A reeducation deemed necessary because the elite put themselves above the ordinary citizen.

Should the same thing happen here, I am offering to hide Ace in my attic when they come for him.

Posted by: jwest at August 26, 2016 01:15 PM (Zs4uk)

274 As I noted before the 2012 election, a sitting United States President was about to run as a political outsider. Because in his world view, he was. It is utter intellectual immaturity to refuse to acknowledge that when you are elected to office or appointed to high office or work your way up through the administrative services to a point where you have the power to cause others to do as you will or face the end of a gun that you are no longer part of the outside and are no longer being oppressed.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at August 26, 2016 12:50 PM (mf5HN)

So if the Dowager Queen-in-Waiting ascends to her rightful throne, I predict we'll be subjected to continuous caterwauling about "saboteurs" and "wreckers". Her courtiers on MSNBC and CNN will will amplify this spin.

And then, show trials.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 01:18 PM (yn2Me)

275 Maybe the term for us is Resistors. We are the new heretics in the Religion of the State.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 26, 2016 01:18 PM (u82oZ)

276 Ok I read the whole thread and I'm still unsure exactly what alt-right is/means.

Posted by: Tami at August 26, 2016 01:19 PM (Enq6K)

277 The mystery of Coates and those who believe as he believes is why do they stay here? Surely a nation with a majority African populace, with Africans in all positions of power, would be a far better place for him and his son. There are numerous choices already available in Africa.

Of course, to someone who has grown up in America, pretty much all of those African nations are varying levels of awful. They've been free of colonial rule for decades and have received massive amounts of aid from government and private sources. But there is no mass exodus of African-Americans to their ancestral homelands, despite their claims of everything being geared against them in the US.

It's almost as if they feel their lives would be far worse living under an African regime.

Posted by: Epobirs at August 26, 2016 01:20 PM (IdCqF)

278 Yes, ridiculous, farcical. Yet they get away with it.

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at August 26, 2016 01:22 PM (ZKlDy)

279 Sorry, can you link populism to Jacobism a little bit tighter please?

Posted by: Diesus at August 26, 2016 01:22 PM (wAPAP)

280 36
>>Consider the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates.

But first you must blow me.

Posted by: Ian R. R. Galt at August 26, 2016 01:23 PM (8iiMU)

281 It's hard to say how worse thigns would have been if we didn't have the senate.

Recall, the period when we didn't gave us Obamacare.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist

Recall that one of the republicans there let the POS out of committee. Then voted against it on the floor...when the vote was useless.

Posted by: Moron supervisor at August 26, 2016 01:23 PM (326rv)

282 The left is frustrated that the word is attached to Trump...First; the left wants the word...it's part of their persona. The Little People, the Less Fortunate have always been a key part of their electorate and to suggest that Trump now represents that portion of the population caused the heads of Progs to explode in little puffs of purple smoke.

And second; now they have to destroy the word and create a replacement in order to beat Trump.

Posted by: walknot at August 26, 2016 01:26 PM (FnHBZ)

283 Hillary is appealing to the populist by being PC globalist,

versus Trump's Make America Great via America First, appealing to Americanists.

This is a link to Brimelow on a tale of two speeches, quoting the Hillary "we must stop the nativist uprising" to Trump's ... we must put America First.

Both appeal to "populist" prevailing attitudes. Clinton wants Republicans to join her in rejecting America First and putting globalists and multi-culturalism first. Hillary is America's Merkel, but with more corruption.

http://tinyurl.com/z8xpr2r

Posted by: illiniwek at August 26, 2016 01:27 PM (l6e0e)

284 Recall that one of the republicans there let the POS
out of committee. Then voted against it on the floor...when the vote
was useless.

Posted by: Moron supervisor at August 26, 2016 01:23 PM (326rv)
Fcuking Bart Stupak, getting rolled by accepting a 'letter' about abortion, then agreeing to vote for the damned thing.

Posted by: Ian R. R. Galt at August 26, 2016 01:27 PM (8iiMU)

285 275 Maybe the term for us is Resistors. We are the new heretics in the Religion of the State.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 26, 2016 01:18 PM (u82oZ)

Another word for this is... (hold on to your hat) Reactionary.

And this is how I think the so-called "alt-right." From what I can see, they're not so much for stuff as they are against stuff they don't like - which is apparently most of the PC leftist crap. Fine, I agree with them there. But other than that, what do they really want?

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 26, 2016 01:28 PM (yn2Me)

286 >>> The mystery of Coates and those who believe as he believes is why do they stay here?

I don't even credit these types with the human trait of having a sense of morality.

They are sociopaths. They have a feral cunning that enables them to detect that if they indignantly mouth certain words, they can induce people with consciences, people better than they are, to feel guilty and try to appease them. They are the scummiest kind of conmen.

Posted by: Yuimetal at August 26, 2016 01:29 PM (ZKlDy)

287 Have I ever mentioned how lovely your mind is, Imperial One?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 26, 2016 01:01 PM (X6fMO)

Thank you, thank you.

For that most cromulent sucking up you may have this lemon bar and that vodka and tonic.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at August 26, 2016 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

288 For that most cromulent sucking up you may have this lemon bar and that vodka and tonic.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at August 26, 2016 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

The use of the 'word' "cromulent" "embiggens" my nascent crush on this Godzillette.

Posted by: Ian R. R. Galt at August 26, 2016 01:37 PM (8iiMU)

289 @18: "Taking over institutions was always the left's goal and now that they've succeeded they won't admit it...is that about it?"

It's not unlike the Great Socialist Utopia - it's always just one more murder away.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at August 26, 2016 01:42 PM (rznWS)

290 "Consider the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates"

I got that far, and my brain shut down. I have considered the writing of Ta-Nehisi Coates, carefully and as dispassionately as possible. I have no desire to do so again: his writing is crap. I have considered crap, and it is crap. I cannot examine crap, like entrails, to tell the future, as it is merely a secretion of a more noble organ and while the examination of fewmets furthers the hunt, I do not wish to hunt , capture or slay Ta-Nehisi Coates. It is true that I would be happier if he and his like were to confine their feculence to a place where no one else could read it, but that is not a reason to consider it further.

Consider this a formal protest, sirrah! No more issue such challenges!

Posted by: HiHo at August 26, 2016 01:42 PM (CPk08)

291 265 Let's add CAIR to the mix
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Islam is not a race.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2016 01:11 PM (X7E8f)

And yet CAIR is racist. Think hard, and you will figure it out.

Posted by: HiHo at August 26, 2016 01:51 PM (CPk08)

292 @82 - He was talking about the Clinton Foundation corruption in association with her time at State yesterday at a rally.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 26, 2016 02:01 PM (vg8iE)

293 Leftist agitation and subversion isn't really the same thing as populism.

Posted by: Monty James at August 26, 2016 02:14 PM (gKOMX)

294 Posted by: HiHo at August 26, 2016 01:42 PM (CPk0

Very amusing; Thanks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 26, 2016 02:16 PM (6HqlZ)

295 Populism is an appeal to the working man and his perpetual plight.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 26, 2016 02:22 PM (evdj2)

296 You start by mis-defining populism and then build a strawman argument based on that definition. Normally I enjoy your take on things, but this is just poor.

Posted by: TexasMike at August 26, 2016 06:14 PM (5qcmS)

297 meh. I'll wait until they show it on tv. Then I still won't care.

Posted by: somejoe at August 27, 2016 01:04 AM (0VNxX)

298 I don't think they are capable of forming complex moral formulations. Its a core character trait of the left... that they are missing that. Probably fodder for another article.

Anecdote example; progressive I know pondering why we are so intent to keep WMD from Saddam.... when we have them. This is just one of a infinite number of examples. They are incapable of moral, and other, types of value judgements. It's why they're on the left.

Re: chemical bad. Ban... but but but it does X Y and Z. But Bad.
Income unequal... but but but; unequal effort and output... But Bad...
Carbon bad.. but but but econ output good... but bad...

But they market that they are the intelligent ones... eye roll.

Posted by: thomass at August 28, 2016 01:00 PM (Qc37P)

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