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'Revenge of the Establishment:" Tea Party, Freedom Caucus Member Ousted in Primary By Establishment Figure Back By (Get This) Agricorp Interests
The GOP seems to be a corporate lobbying organization with some deeply insincere pro-life agitation.
So the Establishment won another one. Yayyyy.A doctor backed by agriculture and business groups ousted U.S. Rep. Tim Huelskamp Tuesday in a Kansas Republican primary race that focused on the tea party-backed incumbent's battles with GOP leaders and criticism that he was too cantankerous to be effective.Ah, the establishment kicked him off the committee, and then the establishment postulates this is a reason he should be kicked out of office. Because he can't "get along" with Democrats and donors. Jazz Shaw has an alternate explanation -- maybe he lost simply because he was buried with out-of-state donor class cash. I've kind of seen that happen myself.
ADVERTISEMENT Great Bend obstetrician Roger Marshall won the tough contest against Huelskamp in the 1st District, which spans western and much of central Kansas. Marshall's supporters argued Huelskamp's combativeness harmed the district. Huelskamp lost his seat on the House Agriculture Committee in 2012; farm groups turned against him, and many Republican voters saw it as a crucial issue in a farm state. "Getting kicked off the Agriculture Committee is a crime that can't be forgiven," Brian Scheideman, a 52-year-old driver's education instructor, said after voting in his hometown of Wamego for Marshall. "I don't mind the independent voice, but you've got to figure out how to work with people."
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 03, 2016 12:19 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 03, 2016 12:20 PM (qCMvj)
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I thought it had something to do with His backing of Cruz? Which of course makes sense/no sense.... I just don't know anymore...
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 12:21 PM (O2RFr)
4
We'll get that Goddamn amnesty one way or another!
Posted by: The GOP Establishment at August 03, 2016 12:21 PM (7Kbxu)
5
Farmers love big government. Sure they want someone who will shake things up, who will show those Washington insiders a thing or two, so long as they keep the subsidies coming in.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:22 PM (gmeXX)
6
You effing troglodyte Bible thumpers!
Posted by: The GOP Establishment at August 03, 2016 12:22 PM (7Kbxu)
7
Goddam welfare queens and corporate cronyism is wrecking our country. We need entitlement reform now!
*cashes crop insurance check*
*cashes crop insurance check*
Posted by: Average Farmer at August 03, 2016 12:22 PM (UPYhp)
8
Yet more evidence that sometimes the hero gets eaten by the dragon. Tragic, Greek bad luck.
Only in Hollywood productions does the hero prevail after near failure, fights back and wins.
Only in Hollywood productions does the hero prevail after near failure, fights back and wins.
Posted by: Larry Gumbo Jr at August 03, 2016 12:23 PM (QybHb)
9
Big Farm is much worse than Big Phrma.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:23 PM (gmeXX)
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Tim Huelskamp is a decent guy and a real conservative. Jazz Shaw is correct PLUS Huelskamp was in a solid red district and would easily sail to reelection.
The RNC and the NRCC went out of this way to primary him with a big government shill.
This. Is. War.
Tim Huelskamp is a decent guy and a real conservative. Jazz Shaw is correct PLUS Huelskamp was in a solid red district and would easily sail to reelection.
The RNC and the NRCC went out of this way to primary him with a big government shill.
This. Is. War.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 12:23 PM (9P3OG)
11
He who makes the gold makes the rules . . . by buying congressional seats! If we limited donations to eligibility to vote for the office in question, then we would curtail the flow of money by outsiders. This is never proposed when campaign contribution limits are discussed by the ruling class.
Posted by: Locke Common at August 03, 2016 12:24 PM (1iqqd)
12
Greitens won the R primary for governor in Missouri last night.
Former Navy Seal and former Dem.
We shall see how 'former' his Dem roots are.....
Former Navy Seal and former Dem.
We shall see how 'former' his Dem roots are.....
Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2016 12:24 PM (Enq6K)
13
Since the parasite class refuses to listen to the producing class, it is time for some disobedience by the producers, along with some tax avoidance. If they don't have to obey the laws, neither do we.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 03, 2016 12:24 PM (7ZVPa)
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I was in Kansas last week, and the ads for this Marshall clown were relentless.
Government welfare recipients/farmers want to line up at the pig trough and eat their fill. So they dumped Huelskamp, because he did not sufficiently suck up to the pigs.
Government welfare recipients/farmers want to line up at the pig trough and eat their fill. So they dumped Huelskamp, because he did not sufficiently suck up to the pigs.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2016 12:24 PM (TOk1P)
15
Kansas GOP farmers are just more soldiers in the Free Shit Army.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 12:25 PM (MSiSP)
16
Yes, we got rid of a conservative to possibly get an RNCe crony who is looking like a RINO. His major platform was work with Boner and some more.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 12:25 PM (mpXpK)
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SH, you nail it. I will add that American Ag has been in to Socialism/ subsidies/ corpratism for, like, ever. Lots of irony to be found in farming communities, their local cafes.
Posted by: tubal at August 03, 2016 12:25 PM (d6TTt)
18
From what I understand, many Trump supporters are happy about this outcome because Tim Huelskamp was in the Ted Cruz faction (and was backed by Cruz in this race).
Posted by: Revenant at August 03, 2016 12:25 PM (3DSAh)
19
9 Big Farm is much worse than Big Phrma.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:23 PM (gmeXX)
Big Anything is the problem. Tariffs and subsidies is how elections and seats are bought and sold.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:23 PM (gmeXX)
Big Anything is the problem. Tariffs and subsidies is how elections and seats are bought and sold.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 12:25 PM (9P3OG)
20
Follow the money, find the corruption.
Posted by: willy at August 03, 2016 12:25 PM (Ffw22)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 03, 2016 12:25 PM (F+xWX)
22
This is never proposed when campaign contribution limits are discussed by the ruling class.
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Its unconstitutional, but I get your point. They are more than happy to call for other unconstitutional contribution limits.
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Its unconstitutional, but I get your point. They are more than happy to call for other unconstitutional contribution limits.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:25 PM (gmeXX)
23
Why We're Screwed:
Because my subsidy is important and necessary, while the other guys subsidy is just welfare for lowlifes.
And the other guy feels the same....so nothing gets eliminated ever.
Because my subsidy is important and necessary, while the other guys subsidy is just welfare for lowlifes.
And the other guy feels the same....so nothing gets eliminated ever.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at August 03, 2016 12:25 PM (u0lmX)
24
Individual liberty and fidelity to the Constitution have been abandoned by both sides in return for sweet, sweet government cheese. For the Democrats, it's EBT cards, Obamaphones, and free college; for the Republicans, it's cheap foreign labor and subsidies. Both sides have their Free Shit Army.
Fecking rentseekers.
At some point, those of us who are working and paying for all this largesse need to go on strike.
Fecking rentseekers.
At some point, those of us who are working and paying for all this largesse need to go on strike.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 03, 2016 12:25 PM (iIzG7)
25
"The RNC and the NRCC went out of this way to primary him with a big government shill."
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It is really tough sometimes to reconcile the intense desire to make sure Hillary loses with the equally intense desire to see so, so much of the GOP get flushed down the drain.
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It is really tough sometimes to reconcile the intense desire to make sure Hillary loses with the equally intense desire to see so, so much of the GOP get flushed down the drain.
Posted by: Kensington at August 03, 2016 12:26 PM (7Kbxu)
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18 From what I understand, many Trump supporters are happy about this outcome because Tim Huelskamp was in the Ted Cruz faction (and was backed by Cruz in this race).
That's what I thought I read...
That's what I thought I read...
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 12:26 PM (O2RFr)
27
18 From what I understand, many Trump supporters are happy about this outcome because Tim Huelskamp was in the Ted Cruz faction (and was backed by Cruz in this race).
Posted by: Revenant at August 03, 2016 12:25 PM (3DSAh)
Well, forgetting Cruz, a man who has devoted his political life to shrinking the size and scope of the Leviathan has been dumped. He is a real outsider in the truest sense of the word.
It's a big loss.
Posted by: Revenant at August 03, 2016 12:25 PM (3DSAh)
Well, forgetting Cruz, a man who has devoted his political life to shrinking the size and scope of the Leviathan has been dumped. He is a real outsider in the truest sense of the word.
It's a big loss.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 12:26 PM (9P3OG)
28
According to Minnesota-based Smart Politics, Marshall defeating Huelskamp was monumental in the annals of Kansas politics.
"Over the previous 26 cycles since 1964, just one of 103 Kansas U.S. Representatives seeking reelection has lost a renomination bid, Republican Dick Nichols in 1992. Nichols was a freshman from the 5th Congressional District, which was eliminated after reapportionment in the 1992 cycle".
"Money changes everything."
According to Minnesota-based Smart Politics, Marshall defeating Huelskamp was monumental in the annals of Kansas politics.
"Over the previous 26 cycles since 1964, just one of 103 Kansas U.S. Representatives seeking reelection has lost a renomination bid, Republican Dick Nichols in 1992. Nichols was a freshman from the 5th Congressional District, which was eliminated after reapportionment in the 1992 cycle".
"Money changes everything."
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 03, 2016 12:26 PM (kdS6q)
29
Our form of government presumes that the voters will research the issues and then vote for candidates based on how they would handle those issues.
If a majority of the voting public will not do that - whether they vote on pure emotion or instead replace research with listening to propaganda - then the system will not work.
And to follow up on this, we have a representative democracy because historically it is the best system to protect individual rights. If it can no longer do that, it has no inherent value.
If a majority of the voting public will not do that - whether they vote on pure emotion or instead replace research with listening to propaganda - then the system will not work.
And to follow up on this, we have a representative democracy because historically it is the best system to protect individual rights. If it can no longer do that, it has no inherent value.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 03, 2016 12:26 PM (X7E8f)
30
I'm getting that same buried alive feeling I got in Nov. 2012.
Posted by: dananjcon at August 03, 2016 12:26 PM (NpXoL)
31
Yo!
Posted by: Yo! at August 03, 2016 12:26 PM (GwIKd)
32
From what I understand, many Trump supporters are happy about this outcome because Tim Huelskamp was in the Ted Cruz faction (and was backed by Cruz in this race).
That's what I thought I read...
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Read the comments from the morning thread.
That's what I thought I read...
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Read the comments from the morning thread.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:26 PM (gmeXX)
33
Well, forgetting Cruz, a man who has devoted his political life to shrinking the size and scope of the Leviathan has been dumped. He is a real outsider in the truest sense of the word.
It's a big loss.
Sounds like it...
Well, forgetting Cruz, a man who has devoted his political life to shrinking the size and scope of the Leviathan has been dumped. He is a real outsider in the truest sense of the word.
It's a big loss.
Sounds like it...
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 12:27 PM (O2RFr)
34
Greitens won the R primary for governor in Missouri last night.
Former Navy Seal and former Dem.
We shall see how 'former' his Dem roots are.....
Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2016 12:24 PM (Enq6K)
I live here, so I can say it: Missouri Republicans are stupid, when it comes to statewide offices.
Greitens ran ads designed to play up his military bonafides, and while I'm not questioning his service, everyone who knows about Veterans organizations if very leery of Mission Continues, the racket he runs.
That he was a Democrat earlier in this decade, and decided to switch Parties to boost his electoral chances doesn't change who he is one bit.
Former Navy Seal and former Dem.
We shall see how 'former' his Dem roots are.....
Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2016 12:24 PM (Enq6K)
I live here, so I can say it: Missouri Republicans are stupid, when it comes to statewide offices.
Greitens ran ads designed to play up his military bonafides, and while I'm not questioning his service, everyone who knows about Veterans organizations if very leery of Mission Continues, the racket he runs.
That he was a Democrat earlier in this decade, and decided to switch Parties to boost his electoral chances doesn't change who he is one bit.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2016 12:27 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 12:28 PM (9P3OG)
36
As usual, Yo! gets right to the heart of it.
Posted by: Kensington at August 03, 2016 12:28 PM (7Kbxu)
37
Rep. Tim Huelskamp was virulently anti-Trump, was a leading voice of the #NeverTrump movement in the house, and heavily backed Cruz for President.
Posted by: Mark Dietzler at August 03, 2016 12:28 PM (wnprX)
38
We didn't realize that cutting the size of government meant you would vote against farm subsidies. We deserve those.
Posted by: Kansas Voters at August 03, 2016 12:28 PM (gmeXX)
39
Establishment gonna establish, yo.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 03, 2016 12:29 PM (PjWy4)
40
Hope we can get a pick-up with Nehlen dumping Ryan and Bongino winning in FL.
If Ryan were to lose would Nehlen win the district? I know nothing about the make up there...
If Ryan were to lose would Nehlen win the district? I know nothing about the make up there...
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 12:29 PM (O2RFr)
41
Look out for Big Corn!!
Posted by: Yo! at August 03, 2016 12:29 PM (GwIKd)
42
If they don't have to obey the laws, neither do we.
***
The problem with that is that the one class of crimes the government actually cares about and will crack down on is anything that reduces their income.
Sure Obama will tell illegals how to avoid the INS, but just see what happens of you make a mistake in your taxes...
***
The problem with that is that the one class of crimes the government actually cares about and will crack down on is anything that reduces their income.
Sure Obama will tell illegals how to avoid the INS, but just see what happens of you make a mistake in your taxes...
Posted by: 18-1 at August 03, 2016 12:29 PM (X7E8f)
43
Aaaand, comment 39 disappears. Wow, it's like the green flash at sunset.
Posted by: tubal at August 03, 2016 12:30 PM (d6TTt)
44
True story: My grandma (God rest her) worked at the local USDA office for a while. Every 6 months they would print off checks to local farmers for between $50 and 100 K. This was in '89 or '90, when a new Mercedes cost like $30K. Once, she asked "how the hell are they going to pay back these loans?" The boss-lady looks at her like she's got a dick growing out of her forehead and says "These aren't loans." She got the hell out of there shortly thereafter.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 03, 2016 12:30 PM (UPYhp)
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:30 PM (gmeXX)
46
Marshall said conservatives in the district need not worry. "We are a family of conservatives, but we don't wear it on our shirtsleeves." BUT, one man can't make a difference alone. "I will reach across the aisle. It's about growing relationships." He calls himself a peacemaker. "We have to work together to solve these problems."
www.gbtribune.com/section/69/article/98209/
"Annnd -- scene!"
Marshall said conservatives in the district need not worry. "We are a family of conservatives, but we don't wear it on our shirtsleeves." BUT, one man can't make a difference alone. "I will reach across the aisle. It's about growing relationships." He calls himself a peacemaker. "We have to work together to solve these problems."
www.gbtribune.com/section/69/article/98209/
"Annnd -- scene!"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 03, 2016 12:30 PM (kdS6q)
47
>>Hope we can get a pick-up with Nehlen dumping Ryan and Bongino winning in FL.
If Ryan gets dumped who takes over the Speaker's office? Ryan was a compromise candidate of the various factions, I have a hard time seeing a more conservative Rep taking over.
If Ryan gets dumped who takes over the Speaker's office? Ryan was a compromise candidate of the various factions, I have a hard time seeing a more conservative Rep taking over.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 03, 2016 12:30 PM (/tuJf)
48
I live here, so I can say it: Missouri Republicans are stupid, when it comes to statewide offices.
Greitens ran ads designed to play up his military bonafides,
and while I'm not questioning his service, everyone who knows about
Veterans organizations if very leery of Mission Continues, the
racket he runs.
That he was a Democrat earlier in this decade, and decided to
switch Parties to boost his electoral chances doesn't change who
he is one bit.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2016 12:27 PM (TOk1P)
I voted Kinder, the current Lt. Gov. He came in 3rd in a 4 way race....even with the support of Limbaugh and Dan Loesch.
Yeah, I'm weeeery leery of Greitens.
Greitens ran ads designed to play up his military bonafides,
and while I'm not questioning his service, everyone who knows about
Veterans organizations if very leery of Mission Continues, the
racket he runs.
That he was a Democrat earlier in this decade, and decided to
switch Parties to boost his electoral chances doesn't change who
he is one bit.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2016 12:27 PM (TOk1P)
I voted Kinder, the current Lt. Gov. He came in 3rd in a 4 way race....even with the support of Limbaugh and Dan Loesch.
Yeah, I'm weeeery leery of Greitens.
Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2016 12:31 PM (Enq6K)
49
From what I understand, many Trump supporters are happy about this outcome because Tim Huelskamp was in the Ted Cruz faction (and was backed by Cruz in this race).
That's what I thought I read...
Posted by: donna
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if this was a millstone around the guys neck.
I saw a before and after approval rating of Ted Cruz after he gave his speech where he couldn't endorse Trump, his approval among Republicans was cut in half, about 70% now don't like the guy.
Ina tight primary, I could easily see that being a big factor.
That's what I thought I read...
Posted by: donna
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if this was a millstone around the guys neck.
I saw a before and after approval rating of Ted Cruz after he gave his speech where he couldn't endorse Trump, his approval among Republicans was cut in half, about 70% now don't like the guy.
Ina tight primary, I could easily see that being a big factor.
Posted by: Maritime at August 03, 2016 12:31 PM (TF63a)
50
They're not farmers, they're whores.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 03, 2016 12:31 PM (PjWy4)
51
Rep. Tim Huelskamp was virulently anti-Trump, was a leading voice of the #NeverTrump movement in the house, and heavily backed Cruz for President.
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OK but it's not a win or anything
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OK but it's not a win or anything
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 03, 2016 12:31 PM (F+xWX)
52
42
but just see what happens of you make a mistake in your taxes...
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Unless you're al [not so] sharpton.
but just see what happens of you make a mistake in your taxes...
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Unless you're al [not so] sharpton.
Posted by: willy at August 03, 2016 12:31 PM (Ffw22)
53
Thank FDR for this. Farmers still worship his name.
Posted by: Soona at August 03, 2016 12:31 PM (Fmupd)
54
40 Hope we can get a pick-up with Nehlen dumping Ryan and Bongino winning in FL.
If Ryan were to lose would Nehlen win the district? I know nothing about the make up there...
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 12:29 PM (O2RFr)
It's Janesville, Wisconsin. Grammie Winger lives there.
It's rural-ish and blue collar yet large enough and within a half hour out of Madison to be close to the leftist infection.
It is mostly GOP country from what I gather.
If Ryan were to lose would Nehlen win the district? I know nothing about the make up there...
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 12:29 PM (O2RFr)
It's Janesville, Wisconsin. Grammie Winger lives there.
It's rural-ish and blue collar yet large enough and within a half hour out of Madison to be close to the leftist infection.
It is mostly GOP country from what I gather.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 12:32 PM (9P3OG)
55
I voted Kinder, the current Lt. Gov. He came in 3rd in a 4 way race....even with the support of Limbaugh and Dan Loesch.
Yeah, I'm weeeery leery of Greitens.
Ditto on all points.
I voted Kinder, the current Lt. Gov. He came in 3rd in a 4 way race....even with the support of Limbaugh and Dan Loesch.
Yeah, I'm weeeery leery of Greitens.
Ditto on all points.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 03, 2016 12:32 PM (PjWy4)
56
But, but ...... I thought incumbents were off-limits to the party, sort of like the pathetic comatose incumbent thing in MS who was rescued by the GOP leadership a ways back.
So off-limits, that things like adopting vile and incredible Dem tactics like recruiting race-baiting agitators, giving them walking-around money, and inciting black Democrat voters with slanderous alarmist crap about the challenger were, you know, no big deal.
I read it right here, from several people.
So in the case of someone who helped dump the disastrous former leader, and didn't support the political collapse and fiscal insanity of the new one, it's OK to go after an incumbent (oh - and in a slimy fashion, with winks and verbal agreements, while remaining "neutral" in public).
Good to know!
So off-limits, that things like adopting vile and incredible Dem tactics like recruiting race-baiting agitators, giving them walking-around money, and inciting black Democrat voters with slanderous alarmist crap about the challenger were, you know, no big deal.
I read it right here, from several people.
So in the case of someone who helped dump the disastrous former leader, and didn't support the political collapse and fiscal insanity of the new one, it's OK to go after an incumbent (oh - and in a slimy fashion, with winks and verbal agreements, while remaining "neutral" in public).
Good to know!
Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 12:32 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 03, 2016 12:32 PM (F+xWX)
58
Marshall will serve a two-year term, assuming office on Jan. 3, 2017. The first thing he will do in Washington is meet with House Speaker Paul Ryan. "I will say we want a voice back on the House Ag Committee," Marshall said.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQV0sSUBRfk
Marshall will serve a two-year term, assuming office on Jan. 3, 2017. The first thing he will do in Washington is meet with House Speaker Paul Ryan. "I will say we want a voice back on the House Ag Committee," Marshall said.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQV0sSUBRfk
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 03, 2016 12:33 PM (kdS6q)
59
The problem with that is that the one class of crimes the government actually cares about and will crack down on is anything that reduces their income.
Posted by: 18-1
Like Eric Garner. The only reason the cops went after him for selling cigarettes was because de Commie-o ordered a crackdown. The BLM narrative tends to forget that part.
Posted by: 18-1
Like Eric Garner. The only reason the cops went after him for selling cigarettes was because de Commie-o ordered a crackdown. The BLM narrative tends to forget that part.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 03, 2016 12:33 PM (UPYhp)
60
49 Posted by: Maritime at August 03, 2016 12:31 PM (TF63a)
Well, Kansas' 1st CD now has a Ryan/McConnell/CoC shill and DC insider.
I hope the voters there don't bitch when - surprise! - Obamacare isn't repealed and we give away more free shit to the FSA and Iran.
Well, Kansas' 1st CD now has a Ryan/McConnell/CoC shill and DC insider.
I hope the voters there don't bitch when - surprise! - Obamacare isn't repealed and we give away more free shit to the FSA and Iran.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 12:34 PM (9P3OG)
61
"I will reach across the aisle. It's about growing relationships."
And the aisle will reach around you, Dr. Marshall. It's about growing relationships.
And the aisle will reach around you, Dr. Marshall. It's about growing relationships.
Posted by: General Zod at August 03, 2016 12:34 PM (Bdeb0)
62
Huelskamp was undone by being true to his principles, smaller government, less government spying on its citizens. A large number of the Republican voters in his district are truly RINOs and corporate welfare junkies who have coordinated with Boehner to get rid of Huelskamp.
The Chamber of Commerce ads depicting Huelskamp as a Washington insider were sickening.
Marshall ran as a candidate who would show true leadership in Washington by . . . following the GOP establishment.
All you need to know about the race is that Boehner and Ryan are celebrating today.
The Chamber of Commerce ads depicting Huelskamp as a Washington insider were sickening.
Marshall ran as a candidate who would show true leadership in Washington by . . . following the GOP establishment.
All you need to know about the race is that Boehner and Ryan are celebrating today.
Posted by: Furious George at August 03, 2016 12:34 PM (57K5j)
63
Way OT, but I gotta get this off my chest. With the arrival of ZIKA and people sick with it already into the Republic, why isn't anyone pestering Obama about it? I seem to remember every year during the Bush presidency when a new flu or virus came around, the media making a big deal about it while criticizing Bush for not doing anything, or not being "ready" for it--thus setting him up with the blame for the inevitable pandemic....
But now, crickets.
Am I mis-remembering?
But now, crickets.
Am I mis-remembering?
Posted by: JoeF. at August 03, 2016 12:34 PM (IcJVy)
64
We just can't have people like him in office. Why his name practically screams concentration camp. Huelskamp - concentration camp - come the hither, you simple folk~!
Posted by: Your betters at NRO at August 03, 2016 12:34 PM (8GNw0)
65
Someone earlier today mentioned that Tim was also a #NeverTrumper; if true, I imagine that alienated a large contingent of primary voters.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 03, 2016 12:34 PM (gyKtp)
66
It is actually against Republican Rules for the Party to back any candidate in a contested Primary but they do it all the time.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 12:34 PM (mpXpK)
67
"We are Hookers"
For as much as their costing us in taxes and subsidies, you'd think they'd at least dress and perform like the expensive kind, too.
For as much as their costing us in taxes and subsidies, you'd think they'd at least dress and perform like the expensive kind, too.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 03, 2016 12:34 PM (iIzG7)
68
Anyone running for GOP office who mentions - even in passing - anything regarding "bipartisanship" and "reaching across the aisle" instantly forfeits my vote.
I don't want you there to ally, you lackwitted nickelfucker, I want you to fight.
And fuck Kansas.
Anyone running for GOP office who mentions - even in passing - anything regarding "bipartisanship" and "reaching across the aisle" instantly forfeits my vote.
I don't want you there to ally, you lackwitted nickelfucker, I want you to fight.
And fuck Kansas.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 03, 2016 12:34 PM (X6fMO)
69
49: Agreed. With that speech, he napalmed any influence his faction had on Trump's faction and destroyed his and his faction's rep amongst Conservative LIVs.
Posted by: Jackal at August 03, 2016 12:35 PM (Lyh9/)
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I voted Kinder, the current Lt. Gov. He came in 3rd in a 4 way race....even with the support of Limbaugh and Dan Loesch.
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Here, have an 'a' DanA.
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Here, have an 'a' DanA.
Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2016 12:35 PM (Enq6K)
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Marshall will serve a two-year term, assuming office on Jan. 3, 2017. The first thing he will do in Washington is meet with House Speaker Paul Ryan. "I will say we want a voice back on the House Ag Committee," Marshall said.
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In the end, that's all that matters. I mean cutting government is good in theory. I feel better when I say I'm pro-life. Obamacare does suck. But none of those really matter if our farm subsidies may be cut.
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In the end, that's all that matters. I mean cutting government is good in theory. I feel better when I say I'm pro-life. Obamacare does suck. But none of those really matter if our farm subsidies may be cut.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:35 PM (gmeXX)
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This sucks.
But if the farmers voted him out for not supporting ag welfare, they weren't really "tea party" voters anyway.
But if the farmers voted him out for not supporting ag welfare, they weren't really "tea party" voters anyway.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 03, 2016 12:35 PM (wtvvX)
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Okay, here's why this is encouraging:
I'm not happy about the reassertion of dominance by the Establishment. It's not good. I want the GOP to become more Tea Partyish, not less. So this is a setback.
But right now the party is in a fight for its soul, and that fight isn't Tea Party vs. Establishment. It's Trumpkins vs. Everyone Else. We see that in the Trump/Cruz fight. Cruz is a solid conservative, but Trump and his followers made him the enemy.
With the exception of immigration, I'm in agreement with the Not Trump portions of the party. If the GOP becomes Trumplike, it will be better on immigration but worse on almost everything else. And that's a real risk. After the way that Trump went after Cruz, and after listening to what he and his followers have said about Cruz, there's a real chance that the Trump people will try to purge the Tea Party from the GOP, because *they're not Trump*.
The GOP needs drastic reform. But it doesn't need to turn into the Trump Party. I'm glad that the Establishment still has some muscle, because between it and the Tea Party, the party should be able to resist a Trump takeover.
I'm not happy about the reassertion of dominance by the Establishment. It's not good. I want the GOP to become more Tea Partyish, not less. So this is a setback.
But right now the party is in a fight for its soul, and that fight isn't Tea Party vs. Establishment. It's Trumpkins vs. Everyone Else. We see that in the Trump/Cruz fight. Cruz is a solid conservative, but Trump and his followers made him the enemy.
With the exception of immigration, I'm in agreement with the Not Trump portions of the party. If the GOP becomes Trumplike, it will be better on immigration but worse on almost everything else. And that's a real risk. After the way that Trump went after Cruz, and after listening to what he and his followers have said about Cruz, there's a real chance that the Trump people will try to purge the Tea Party from the GOP, because *they're not Trump*.
The GOP needs drastic reform. But it doesn't need to turn into the Trump Party. I'm glad that the Establishment still has some muscle, because between it and the Tea Party, the party should be able to resist a Trump takeover.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 12:35 PM (xN1DB)
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A solid candidate could have knocked off Ryan.
It will eventually happen, my guess is he'll retire if a big name steps up. Who knows, it could happen this time, but the guy that's running is a bit of a clown, but I'm sure as a protest vote he'll do well.
I actually used to be a big fan of Paul Ryan, but he's been the biggest enabler to Obama. He actually makes me miss Boehner.
It will eventually happen, my guess is he'll retire if a big name steps up. Who knows, it could happen this time, but the guy that's running is a bit of a clown, but I'm sure as a protest vote he'll do well.
I actually used to be a big fan of Paul Ryan, but he's been the biggest enabler to Obama. He actually makes me miss Boehner.
Posted by: Maritime at August 03, 2016 12:35 PM (TF63a)
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Hope we can get a pick-up with Nehlen dumping Ryan and Bongino winning in FL.
Fuck that Nehlen guy. He is a fake ass RINO put-up job by Breitbart.
Fuck that Nehlen guy. He is a fake ass RINO put-up job by Breitbart.
Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at August 03, 2016 12:36 PM (QM5S2)
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If Ryan were to lose would Nehlen win the district? I know nothing about the make up there...
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 12:29 PM (O2RFr)
It's something like R+5 or maybe a little better. Ryan has won by well into double digits in mid-terms and by high single digits in presidential years with L candidates in the mix.
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2016 12:29 PM (O2RFr)
It's something like R+5 or maybe a little better. Ryan has won by well into double digits in mid-terms and by high single digits in presidential years with L candidates in the mix.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 03, 2016 12:36 PM (nFdGS)
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Only things from Kansas are sunshine, sunflowers and sons of bitches.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 12:36 PM (MSiSP)
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It is actually against Republican Rules for the Party to back any candidate in a contested Primary but they do it all the time.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 12:34 PM (mpXpK)
Rules are for pikers.
It is actually against Republican Rules for the Party to back any candidate in a contested Primary but they do it all the time.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 12:34 PM (mpXpK)
Rules are for pikers.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 03, 2016 12:36 PM (jxbfJ)
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69 49: Agreed. With that speech, he napalmed any influence his faction had on Trump's faction and destroyed his and his faction's rep amongst Conservative LIVs.
Posted by: Jackal at August 03, 2016 12:35 PM (Lyh9/)
I find it rather ironic that people who are not perhaps sanguine about Trump are told they have to bite their tongues and get on the train, while someone like Huelskamp who is so good a guy gets spurned because he supported Ted Cruz.
Cutting off the nose to spite the face. And there you go, Kansas.
Posted by: Jackal at August 03, 2016 12:35 PM (Lyh9/)
I find it rather ironic that people who are not perhaps sanguine about Trump are told they have to bite their tongues and get on the train, while someone like Huelskamp who is so good a guy gets spurned because he supported Ted Cruz.
Cutting off the nose to spite the face. And there you go, Kansas.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 12:37 PM (9P3OG)
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"It's Trumpkins vs. Everyone Else. We see that in the Trump/Cruz fight."
I see it more as a three-way fight -- the Trumpkins versus the RINO Establishment/Chamber of Commerce wing versus the TEA Party/Cruz wing.
I see it more as a three-way fight -- the Trumpkins versus the RINO Establishment/Chamber of Commerce wing versus the TEA Party/Cruz wing.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 03, 2016 12:37 PM (iIzG7)
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54 40 It is mostly GOP country from what I gather.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 12:32 PM (9P3OG)
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The Hill says Ryan is ahead by more than 70, so I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 12:32 PM (9P3OG)
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The Hill says Ryan is ahead by more than 70, so I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Posted by: MTF at August 03, 2016 12:38 PM (LISuA)
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15 OK but it's not a win or anything
No, it just feels like a personal win and that's what counts in the new GOP. /
No, it just feels like a personal win and that's what counts in the new GOP. /
Posted by: Wendy at August 03, 2016 12:38 PM (bpemY)
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79: I'm not agreeing with it J.J. Just trying to explain it.
Posted by: Jackal at August 03, 2016 12:38 PM (Lyh9/)
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It is mostly GOP country from what I gather
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I'm there now. it's pretty mixed, older population is my impression but that could be mistaken. blue collar, with a sizeable group of folks that didn't move on when the factories left. they kind of hang on with no obvious means of support, and close by those shuttered factories is where I wouldn't want to be late at night.
talking with a hospital administrator for two cities, she says Janesville workers have a lot more union entitlement attitudes than elsewhere.
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I'm there now. it's pretty mixed, older population is my impression but that could be mistaken. blue collar, with a sizeable group of folks that didn't move on when the factories left. they kind of hang on with no obvious means of support, and close by those shuttered factories is where I wouldn't want to be late at night.
talking with a hospital administrator for two cities, she says Janesville workers have a lot more union entitlement attitudes than elsewhere.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 03, 2016 12:38 PM (F+xWX)
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What does Ther Cochran think about this?
Posted by: Yo! at August 03, 2016 12:39 PM (GwIKd)
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So, we now have both parties with a desperate need to hide what they do from the public. Too bad for the GOP they don't have a Media to help them hide.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 03, 2016 12:39 PM (AroJD)
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I voted Kinder, the current Lt. Gov. He came in 3rd in a 4 way race....even with the support of Limbaugh and Dan Loesch.
Yeah, I'm weeeery leery of Greitens.
Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2016 12:31 PM (Enq6K)
I never gave Kinder any consideration, because he's been parked in that office, Lt. Gov, for a long time, and it's a nothing office, with no real purpose.
John Brunner has now lost to both Greitens and Rapin Todd Akin, in primaries where he was the most conservative option.
Yeah, I'm weeeery leery of Greitens.
Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2016 12:31 PM (Enq6K)
I never gave Kinder any consideration, because he's been parked in that office, Lt. Gov, for a long time, and it's a nothing office, with no real purpose.
John Brunner has now lost to both Greitens and Rapin Todd Akin, in primaries where he was the most conservative option.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2016 12:39 PM (TOk1P)
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The GOP needs drastic reform. But it doesn't need to turn into the Trump Party. I'm glad that the Establishment still has some muscle, because between it and the Tea Party, the party should be able to resist a Trump takeover.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
Whatever happens with Trump, I see the GOP being more populist on immigration and trade.
I'm personally okay with that, I definitely don't want a Paul Ryan style of Republicanism which is where we were headed.
The GOP needs drastic reform. But it doesn't need to turn into the Trump Party. I'm glad that the Establishment still has some muscle, because between it and the Tea Party, the party should be able to resist a Trump takeover.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
Whatever happens with Trump, I see the GOP being more populist on immigration and trade.
I'm personally okay with that, I definitely don't want a Paul Ryan style of Republicanism which is where we were headed.
Posted by: Maritime at August 03, 2016 12:39 PM (TF63a)
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This isn't about Cruz or Trump - not directly anyway. This is about voters wanting to keep their farming subsidies. Conservatism loses because no one wants to give up their stuff. All we can do is keep fighting it. Everyone loves to say they want to shrink the government - just not their benefits.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:39 PM (gmeXX)
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72 This sucks.
But if the farmers voted him out for not supporting ag welfare, they weren't really "tea party" voters anyway.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 03, 2016 12:35 PM (wtvvX)
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Contrary to popular belief, KS is not a conservative state.
But if the farmers voted him out for not supporting ag welfare, they weren't really "tea party" voters anyway.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 03, 2016 12:35 PM (wtvvX)
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Contrary to popular belief, KS is not a conservative state.
Posted by: Soona at August 03, 2016 12:39 PM (Fmupd)
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he was stridently #NeverTrump
naw, that couldn't be it. we all know no one likes Trump... i saw that on TV.
naw, that couldn't be it. we all know no one likes Trump... i saw that on TV.
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 03, 2016 12:40 PM (i6Yqt)
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If you read any article that refers to Kansas as a "deep red" state, it only means that Kansans traditionally vote Republican. Kansas is not a conservative state.
Posted by: Furious George at August 03, 2016 12:40 PM (57K5j)
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Evidently it was a conservative bloodbath at the state level as well.
I would like to know from people who think the Huelskamp defeat is a good thing:
1. If Ryan loses his race, who becomes the next speaker?
2. The only group that consistently bucks the leadership and has barely enough votes to do it just lost a member, replaced by a pro-leadership guy.
How is that a win for you?
I would like to know from people who think the Huelskamp defeat is a good thing:
1. If Ryan loses his race, who becomes the next speaker?
2. The only group that consistently bucks the leadership and has barely enough votes to do it just lost a member, replaced by a pro-leadership guy.
How is that a win for you?
Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 12:40 PM (hgBpU)
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I don't see how Trump could take out an incumbent like Heuglekruger, especially when he was such an annoyance to the established GOP. I'd put the blame on the GOP insiders like Ryan and friends.
They took out Cruz for the same reason.
I don't think Trump had anything to do with it. Trump is too busy trying to make deals for support and doesn't have time to punish enemies, not yet anyway.
I don't see how Trump could take out an incumbent like Heuglekruger, especially when he was such an annoyance to the established GOP. I'd put the blame on the GOP insiders like Ryan and friends.
They took out Cruz for the same reason.
I don't think Trump had anything to do with it. Trump is too busy trying to make deals for support and doesn't have time to punish enemies, not yet anyway.
Posted by: Larry Gumbo Jr at August 03, 2016 12:41 PM (QybHb)
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he was stridently #NeverTrump
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Makes sense. Trump is pro-government, he was anti-government. Trump is pro farming subsidies, he was anti-farming subsidies.
But in the end, those voters just want their $$$$.
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Makes sense. Trump is pro-government, he was anti-government. Trump is pro farming subsidies, he was anti-farming subsidies.
But in the end, those voters just want their $$$$.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:41 PM (gmeXX)
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But in the end, those voters just want their $$$$.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:41 PM (gmeXX)
--Ultimately, that is the doom of us all.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:41 PM (gmeXX)
--Ultimately, that is the doom of us all.
Posted by: Revenant at August 03, 2016 12:42 PM (3DSAh)
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The Legitimate Avenues of Consequence and Accountability continue to be closed off to us.
Posted by: SaltyDonnie at August 03, 2016 12:42 PM (i6shs)
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This is sinfully simple: The Free Shit Army won another battle (farm subsidies).
The FSA is one very tough adversary.
' FREE', while an idea as bogus as any idea in the history of mankind, is one intoxicating siren song.
Farm subsidies are free. Sure.
The FSA is one very tough adversary.
' FREE', while an idea as bogus as any idea in the history of mankind, is one intoxicating siren song.
Farm subsidies are free. Sure.
Posted by: malignantly aggrieved and economically useless at August 03, 2016 12:42 PM (3ZttN)
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>>I find it rather ironic that people who are not
perhaps sanguine about Trump are told they have to bite their tongues
and get on the train...Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 12:37 PM (9P3OG)
I don't see much of that at all. In fact, I think it's confected by Cruz supporters--or non-Trump supporters, or whatever, who can distinguish the flavors anymore--as justification for a convoluted, unresolved, increasingly tiresome bitterness.
You want to get on the train, great, glad to have you. You don't, whatever, suit yourself.
perhaps sanguine about Trump are told they have to bite their tongues
and get on the train...Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 03, 2016 12:37 PM (9P3OG)
I don't see much of that at all. In fact, I think it's confected by Cruz supporters--or non-Trump supporters, or whatever, who can distinguish the flavors anymore--as justification for a convoluted, unresolved, increasingly tiresome bitterness.
You want to get on the train, great, glad to have you. You don't, whatever, suit yourself.
Posted by: General Zod at August 03, 2016 12:43 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: wth at August 03, 2016 12:43 PM (HgMAr)
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I see it more as a three-way fight -- the Trumpkins versus the RINO Establishment/Chamber of Commerce wing versus the TEA Party/Cruz wing.
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Well, the Tea Party and the Establishment are Republicans. Sure, the Establishment is usually pretty worthless, but they're identifiable as Republicans most of the time.
Trump is a corporatist Democrat who stumbled into the right position on immigration. Other than that, he drags the party in a dangerous liberal direction.
The Establishment is the status quo, and I don't like the status quo. But I'd rather have the Tea Party trying to drag the Establishment in the right direction than have them try to drag Trump in the right direction. The latter isn't possible.
I see it more as a three-way fight -- the Trumpkins versus the RINO Establishment/Chamber of Commerce wing versus the TEA Party/Cruz wing.
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Well, the Tea Party and the Establishment are Republicans. Sure, the Establishment is usually pretty worthless, but they're identifiable as Republicans most of the time.
Trump is a corporatist Democrat who stumbled into the right position on immigration. Other than that, he drags the party in a dangerous liberal direction.
The Establishment is the status quo, and I don't like the status quo. But I'd rather have the Tea Party trying to drag the Establishment in the right direction than have them try to drag Trump in the right direction. The latter isn't possible.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 12:43 PM (xN1DB)
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But in the end, those voters just want their $$$$.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:41 PM (gmeXX)
--Ultimately, that is the doom of us all.
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I should have said, in the end, those voters just want our (not their) $$$$.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:41 PM (gmeXX)
--Ultimately, that is the doom of us all.
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I should have said, in the end, those voters just want our (not their) $$$$.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:43 PM (gmeXX)
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It's baffling why these toothless hicks support Trump..
Posted by: GOPe at August 03, 2016 12:43 PM (XkVXQ)
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Farm subsidies are free. Sure.
Posted by: malignantly aggrieved and economically useless
They are free. They come fromObama's Paul Ryan's stash.
Posted by: malignantly aggrieved and economically useless
They are free. They come from
Posted by: Average Farmer at August 03, 2016 12:44 PM (UPYhp)
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#NeverTrump morghulis
Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at August 03, 2016 12:44 PM (5fSr7)
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Huelskamp's support of Cruz and refusal to endorse Trump had very little to do with his loss.
If Huelskamp were from Oklahoma or Texas instead of Kansas, he would have been re-elected easily.
Kansas Republicans say that they are "Bob Dole conservatives" and look puzzled when you laugh.
If Huelskamp were from Oklahoma or Texas instead of Kansas, he would have been re-elected easily.
Kansas Republicans say that they are "Bob Dole conservatives" and look puzzled when you laugh.
Posted by: Furious George at August 03, 2016 12:45 PM (57K5j)
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I never gave Kinder any consideration, because
he's been parked in that office, Lt. Gov, for a long time, and it's
a nothing office, with no real purpose.
John Brunner has now lost to both Greitens and Rapin Todd Akin, in primaries where he was the most conservative option.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2016 12:39 PM (TOk1P)
It was a tossup for me between Kinder and Brunner. I chose Kinder but in the end I would have lost either way.
he's been parked in that office, Lt. Gov, for a long time, and it's
a nothing office, with no real purpose.
John Brunner has now lost to both Greitens and Rapin Todd Akin, in primaries where he was the most conservative option.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2016 12:39 PM (TOk1P)
It was a tossup for me between Kinder and Brunner. I chose Kinder but in the end I would have lost either way.
Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2016 12:45 PM (Enq6K)
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I'm really impressed how the gov has graduated from sacks of cash on yachts to pallets on unmarked airplanes.
Posted by: wth at August 03, 2016 12:45 PM (HgMAr)
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So gop has become one with the borg
. That's a question btw I can't actually figure out how to get the punctuation to work on this keyboard
. That's a question btw I can't actually figure out how to get the punctuation to work on this keyboard
Posted by: willow at August 03, 2016 12:45 PM (peVQh)
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>>But in the end, those voters just want their $$$$.
The irony here is that Huelskamp's family took a shit load of farm subsidy money.
Nobody is pure in DC. Some just posture at it better.
The irony here is that Huelskamp's family took a shit load of farm subsidy money.
Nobody is pure in DC. Some just posture at it better.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 03, 2016 12:45 PM (/tuJf)
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I will stand by my statements that every politician should face a primary contest for every election and, further, that the other side is allowed to fight for representation as well.
Of course, that also means that I'm allowed to note the implications of such contests.
When BC texted me about this last night, my first question, after who is that guy, was oh so he got ousted by an ag guy? Because that had to be it and it was.
Agriculture policy makes me go all ragetwitchy for many, many, many reasons. But high on that list is how Republicans pretend that it's not just another kind of crony kickbacks. Yes. It. Is. It sure as hell is and I don't care if you're a small family farmer or Monsanto. It is.
There's another lesson here. Everyone wants government largess cut. Except theirs. Theirs? That's sacrosanct.
Of course, that also means that I'm allowed to note the implications of such contests.
When BC texted me about this last night, my first question, after who is that guy, was oh so he got ousted by an ag guy? Because that had to be it and it was.
Agriculture policy makes me go all ragetwitchy for many, many, many reasons. But high on that list is how Republicans pretend that it's not just another kind of crony kickbacks. Yes. It. Is. It sure as hell is and I don't care if you're a small family farmer or Monsanto. It is.
There's another lesson here. Everyone wants government largess cut. Except theirs. Theirs? That's sacrosanct.
Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at August 03, 2016 12:45 PM (mf5HN)
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Whatever happens with Trump, I see the GOP being more populist on immigration and trade.
Posted by: Maritime
I expect the exact opposite.
The reformi-Cons are signalling where the GOP is headed; complete accommodation of the left's agenda.
The GOP will pass an amnesty package on Nov. 8th regardless of who wins, if not sooner.
Posted by: Maritime
I expect the exact opposite.
The reformi-Cons are signalling where the GOP is headed; complete accommodation of the left's agenda.
The GOP will pass an amnesty package on Nov. 8th regardless of who wins, if not sooner.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 12:46 PM (8GNw0)
Posted by: Bob Dole Is Hard at August 03, 2016 12:46 PM (qul7b)
Posted by: Grump928(C) repeats himself at August 03, 2016 12:46 PM (rwI+c)
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Makes sense. Trump is pro-government, he was anti-government. Trump is pro farming subsidies, he was anti-farming subsidies.
But in the end, those voters just want their $$$$.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:41 PM (gmeXX)
That narrative is pretty much wrong. Huelskamp was anti-Trump, based on principles. He wasn't a Nevertrumper, no matter how much people want to claim he was/is.
But in the end, those voters just want their $$$$.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:41 PM (gmeXX)
That narrative is pretty much wrong. Huelskamp was anti-Trump, based on principles. He wasn't a Nevertrumper, no matter how much people want to claim he was/is.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2016 12:46 PM (TOk1P)
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tea party got marginalised quickly and movement conservatism can't conserve anything at all. both turned out to be dead ends.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 03, 2016 12:46 PM (F+xWX)
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I'm also in the unenviable position of agreeing with Jazz "Hands" Shaw...
couple a few things together...
1) Hula Hoop was a thorn in the House "leaderships'" side
2) he was rather vocal in alienating ~ 1/4th the GOP electorate with his endorsement of and refusal to wholly endorse Orange Toupee Weasel
3) he pissed off ADM and a lot of "farmers" by undermining their sweet sweet free money
It is a weird night in a weird cycle...
Trump AND Ryan both went to bed happy.
"Muh principles" types would do well to grab that bottle of STFU pills Trump should be carrying.
couple a few things together...
1) Hula Hoop was a thorn in the House "leaderships'" side
2) he was rather vocal in alienating ~ 1/4th the GOP electorate with his endorsement of and refusal to wholly endorse Orange Toupee Weasel
3) he pissed off ADM and a lot of "farmers" by undermining their sweet sweet free money
It is a weird night in a weird cycle...
Trump AND Ryan both went to bed happy.
"Muh principles" types would do well to grab that bottle of STFU pills Trump should be carrying.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:47 PM (SzZnW)
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The irony here is that Huelskamp's family took a shit load of farm subsidy money.
Nobody is pure in DC. Some just posture at it better.
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If the government is going to hand it out, I'll ask for my share too. Heaven knows my family and me have paid enough in. But I'll happily sacrifice my future benefits if it means shrinking the government. If it simply means that someone else will get my share, then pass.
Nobody is pure in DC. Some just posture at it better.
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If the government is going to hand it out, I'll ask for my share too. Heaven knows my family and me have paid enough in. But I'll happily sacrifice my future benefits if it means shrinking the government. If it simply means that someone else will get my share, then pass.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:47 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 03, 2016 12:47 PM (UP78u)
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It's all about outcome. Farmers want good outcomes whether their crops come in big or not.
They want a guaranteed income every year.
They want a guaranteed income every year.
Posted by: Soona at August 03, 2016 12:47 PM (Fmupd)
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116 Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 03, 2016 12:46 PM (F+xWX)
In 2018 I am probably going with "plan B"
It is obvious the GOP will not stop donkey so I will use my efforts to use donkey to stop donkey.
In 2018 I am probably going with "plan B"
It is obvious the GOP will not stop donkey so I will use my efforts to use donkey to stop donkey.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:48 PM (SzZnW)
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106: I'll admit, that's probably the predominant reason he lost. The state GOP there is about as establishment as it comes, IIRC. They kneecapped their own AG who was taking on the abortion industry (I.e. ENFORCING THE F***ING LAW) in that state rather than take a stand a few years ago.
Posted by: Jackal at August 03, 2016 12:48 PM (Lyh9/)
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Only things from Kansas are sunshine, sunflowers and sons of bitches.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 12:36 PM (MSiSP)
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and Bob Dole's hardon
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 12:36 PM (MSiSP)
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and Bob Dole's hardon
Posted by: Bob Dole at August 03, 2016 12:48 PM (HgMAr)
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The only thing that has prevented this country from becoming Venezuela without sexy fat-assed senoritas is that no one has figured out how to motivate the Free Shit Army to get in formation for mid-term elections.
Once they figure that out, prepare to wait in line for six hours to buy hot dog rolls.
Once they figure that out, prepare to wait in line for six hours to buy hot dog rolls.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 12:49 PM (xN1DB)
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As a student of history, I am currently working my way through the fall of Rome and the beginning of the Dark Ages.
One major point I have discovered is that Gibbons was way off base in "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire". What killed off Rome was a combination of unrestricted government spending, and currency debasement.
One major point I have discovered is that Gibbons was way off base in "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire". What killed off Rome was a combination of unrestricted government spending, and currency debasement.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 03, 2016 12:49 PM (7ZVPa)
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tea party got marginalised quickly and movement conservatism can't conserve anything at all. both turned out to be dead ends
The country is changing. People have changed, Voters are changing. Where we go from here is very uncertain, but it will be something between Europe and Venezuela.
The country is changing. People have changed, Voters are changing. Where we go from here is very uncertain, but it will be something between Europe and Venezuela.
Posted by: Larry Gumbo Jr at August 03, 2016 12:49 PM (QybHb)
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118 Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:47 PM (gmeXX)
Well, it is hard to go on a "muh principles" rant and show your own are flexible SH....
Hula Hoop got caught in the "hypocrisy claw hold"
Well, it is hard to go on a "muh principles" rant and show your own are flexible SH....
Hula Hoop got caught in the "hypocrisy claw hold"
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:49 PM (SzZnW)
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tea party got marginalised quickly and movement conservatism can't conserve anything at all. both turned out to be dead ends.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 03, 2016 12:46 PM (F+xWX)
We didn't get into the mess we are in now overnight and we won't get out of it quickly either. The Tea Party is in this for the long haul (that will inevitably include setbacks as well as triumphs).
tea party got marginalised quickly and movement conservatism can't conserve anything at all. both turned out to be dead ends.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 03, 2016 12:46 PM (F+xWX)
We didn't get into the mess we are in now overnight and we won't get out of it quickly either. The Tea Party is in this for the long haul (that will inevitably include setbacks as well as triumphs).
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 12:49 PM (3JA/M)
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tea party got marginalised quickly and movement conservatism can't conserve anything at all. both turned out to be dead ends.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 03, 2016 12:46 PM (F+xWX)-- So "we are all socialists now"http://tinyurl.com/zez9t9z
tea party got marginalised quickly and movement conservatism can't conserve anything at all. both turned out to be dead ends.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 03, 2016 12:46 PM (F+xWX)-- So "we are all socialists now"http://tinyurl.com/zez9t9z
Posted by: Revenant at August 03, 2016 12:49 PM (3DSAh)
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Trump is a corporatist Democrat who stumbled into the right position on immigration. Other than that, he drags the party in a dangerous liberal direction.
Here's the problem with that. If the TEA party/Cruz was as conservative as they claim, they would have OWNED the right position immigration.
The fact that they don't speaks volumes.
Here's the problem with that. If the TEA party/Cruz was as conservative as they claim, they would have OWNED the right position immigration.
The fact that they don't speaks volumes.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 03, 2016 12:49 PM (AY/TT)
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Kansas GOP farmers are just more soldiers in the Free Shit Army.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 12:25 PM
I think it was P.J. O'Rourke who characterized American farm policy as "Moscow on the Mississippi."
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 03, 2016 12:25 PM
I think it was P.J. O'Rourke who characterized American farm policy as "Moscow on the Mississippi."
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 03, 2016 12:49 PM (bzd8I)
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>>If the government is going to hand it out, I'll ask for my share too. Heaven knows my family and me have paid enough in. But I'll happily sacrifice my future benefits if it means shrinking the government. If it simply means that someone else will get my share, then pass.
And that is the reason things like subsidies never end.
Nobody has a "share". You either believe that the practice is wrong and act accordingly or you just make pretty speeches while cashing checks.
And that is the reason things like subsidies never end.
Nobody has a "share". You either believe that the practice is wrong and act accordingly or you just make pretty speeches while cashing checks.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 03, 2016 12:49 PM (/tuJf)
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I just wouldn't make huge generalizations about the direction of conservatism from this race.
I live in a ruby red district, but if you say started talking about cutting school budgets in a big way, a Republican would lose to a Democrat.
It's an old dynamic, everyone hates Big Government except THEIR big government.
I also think some other dynamics were at play like redistricting and the guy being so vocally anti Trump.
I'm not defending the voters on this, but its what I expect and I would still take a Kansas voter over most others.
I live in a ruby red district, but if you say started talking about cutting school budgets in a big way, a Republican would lose to a Democrat.
It's an old dynamic, everyone hates Big Government except THEIR big government.
I also think some other dynamics were at play like redistricting and the guy being so vocally anti Trump.
I'm not defending the voters on this, but its what I expect and I would still take a Kansas voter over most others.
Posted by: Maritime at August 03, 2016 12:50 PM (TF63a)
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What's wrong with Kansas?!?
Posted by: Grump928(C) notes that all sides can ask this question at August 03, 2016 12:50 PM (rwI+c)
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You're not going to get any group to be the first to give up their free shit. Free shit doesn't get reduced until it is reduced for everyone by budgetary necessity - maybe fifteen years or so from now. I'm just hoping to limit the amount of new free shit that is added between now and then.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 03, 2016 12:50 PM (nFdGS)
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What killed off Rome was a combination of unrestricted government spending, and currency debasement.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada
And failure to control their borders.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada
And failure to control their borders.
Posted by: Visigoths at August 03, 2016 12:50 PM (UPYhp)
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Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2016 12:39 PM (TOk1P)
It was a tossup for me between Kinder and Brunner. I chose Kinder but in the end I would have lost either way.
Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2016 12:45 PM (Enq6K)
Yeah, really that was my only objection to Kinder. He's been sitting there doing nothing for too long.
Honestly, I think the negatives about Greitens and Mission Continues are very likely going to sink his campaign. So we'll get that 16 year old kid, whatshisname, the Democrat, as Governor. Who, interestingly enough, was a Republican until about 10 years ago. Still, a Democrat in Missouri is one who talks "conservative," and then operates in lock-step with the leftists.
It was a tossup for me between Kinder and Brunner. I chose Kinder but in the end I would have lost either way.
Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2016 12:45 PM (Enq6K)
Yeah, really that was my only objection to Kinder. He's been sitting there doing nothing for too long.
Honestly, I think the negatives about Greitens and Mission Continues are very likely going to sink his campaign. So we'll get that 16 year old kid, whatshisname, the Democrat, as Governor. Who, interestingly enough, was a Republican until about 10 years ago. Still, a Democrat in Missouri is one who talks "conservative," and then operates in lock-step with the leftists.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2016 12:51 PM (TOk1P)
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Nobody has a "share". You either believe that the practice is wrong and act accordingly or you just make pretty speeches while cashing checks.
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I'm not going to turn down social security if it is still available to me after a lifetime of "paying" for it even though I believe it is unconstitutional and a ponzi scheme.
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I'm not going to turn down social security if it is still available to me after a lifetime of "paying" for it even though I believe it is unconstitutional and a ponzi scheme.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:51 PM (gmeXX)
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The "establishment" did nothing. The "Establishment" doesn't vote in this district. The voters in this district did the voting and they kicked him off. What does that tell us? It tells us that while the voters love to hear things like small government and reduced deficits are wonderful, when it comes to affect their pocketbook directly, they don't vote that way. They want the guy who brings home the bacon and dictates what gets spent on the AG committee.
In essence, they are democrats and not republicans. Republicans wan't the US Department of AG abolished and all farm subsidies and programs reduced to zero. Thats not what the voters of Kansas want because they want government largess - they are democrats
Regards
In essence, they are democrats and not republicans. Republicans wan't the US Department of AG abolished and all farm subsidies and programs reduced to zero. Thats not what the voters of Kansas want because they want government largess - they are democrats
Regards
Posted by: JeffreyL at August 03, 2016 12:51 PM (mXv3y)
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122 106: I'll admit, that's probably the predominant reason he lost. The state GOP there is about as establishment as it comes, IIRC. They kneecapped their own AG who was taking on the abortion industry (I.e. ENFORCING THE F***ING LAW) in that state rather than take a stand a few years ago.
Posted by: Jackal
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Not to go all RINO on you, but that particular AG was a horrendously incompetent lawyer whose complete botching of an education funding lawsuit has left the Kansas Supreme Court in charge of education funding.
Then the Kansas Republican establishment refuses to take on the Supreme Court because of their "fidelity to the prinicples of separation of powers" and the children.
Posted by: Jackal
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Not to go all RINO on you, but that particular AG was a horrendously incompetent lawyer whose complete botching of an education funding lawsuit has left the Kansas Supreme Court in charge of education funding.
Then the Kansas Republican establishment refuses to take on the Supreme Court because of their "fidelity to the prinicples of separation of powers" and the children.
Posted by: Furious George at August 03, 2016 12:51 PM (57K5j)
Posted by: Bob Dole at August 03, 2016 12:51 PM (HgMAr)
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"Farmers want good outcomes whether their crops come in big or not."
Seems to me there's a world of difference between a small family farmer looking for a loan to buy seed in the spring or upgrade his irrigation system, and a giant ConAgra farm run as a large-scale corporation. Is there anyone here in the agriculture trade who can fill a brother in on the balance between small family farms and big corporate ones, and their need for (a) loans and (b) subsidies?
Seems to me there's a world of difference between a small family farmer looking for a loan to buy seed in the spring or upgrade his irrigation system, and a giant ConAgra farm run as a large-scale corporation. Is there anyone here in the agriculture trade who can fill a brother in on the balance between small family farms and big corporate ones, and their need for (a) loans and (b) subsidies?
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 03, 2016 12:52 PM (iIzG7)
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Huelskamp is not much of a loss. I find his portrayal in these articles almost 180 degrees from what he kind of is. He is a member of that hard-Christian right (He is Catholic actually. Went to college with one of his sisters and had some dealing with him when he was in the Kansas house) third party we have here in Kansas. He is not this principled Tea Party small government guy, he is more of a West Kansas version of Huckabee. In my dealings with him my impression is he really has no problem using government power to coerce the public into his own version of morality and how society should be overseen.
Posted by: JamesT at August 03, 2016 12:52 PM (WEfE5)
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It is actually against Republican Rules for the Party to back any candidate in a contested Primary but they do it all the time.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 12:34 PM (mpXpK)
Kevin McCarthy held a fundraiser for the CoC guy, had plenty help from the state party to get rid of Huelskamp.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 12:34 PM (mpXpK)
Kevin McCarthy held a fundraiser for the CoC guy, had plenty help from the state party to get rid of Huelskamp.
Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 12:53 PM (hgBpU)
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Maybe I'm just speaking for myself here.
I hate farm subsidies, and think they should all be stripped away.
That being said, farm subsidies are as old as Social Security and are probably 1,015 on my list of really horrible things going on in America right now that need to be purged.
A pro BigAg Republican getting the nomination in Kansas is not going to rock my world.
I hate farm subsidies, and think they should all be stripped away.
That being said, farm subsidies are as old as Social Security and are probably 1,015 on my list of really horrible things going on in America right now that need to be purged.
A pro BigAg Republican getting the nomination in Kansas is not going to rock my world.
Posted by: Maritime at August 03, 2016 12:53 PM (TF63a)
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Two issues, I think. First, self-interest trumps ideology. Of course farmers want their subsidies to continue. That's human nature. Second, this guy was #nevertrump initially. While many may not be thrilled with Trump, the non virtue-signalers simply want Hillary defeated. Very few outside the Beltway (and virtual Beltway) give a damn about Trump's lack of purity.
If Trump loses, the #Nevertrump crowd will be excommunicated. Especially Bill Kristol.
If Trump loses, the #Nevertrump crowd will be excommunicated. Especially Bill Kristol.
Posted by: Baltar at August 03, 2016 12:53 PM (n6tqt)
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Nobody has a "share". You either believe that the practice is wrong and act accordingly or you just make pretty speeches while cashing checks.
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I'm not going to turn down social security if it is still available to me after a lifetime of "paying" for it even though I believe it is unconstitutional and a ponzi scheme.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:51 PM (gmeXX)
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But I'll happily accept my "reduction" if it means it is being shrunk somehow. I'll give up plenty if it means we are actually doing some shrinking. But you are right, few want to do that ... probably because they rightly believe that only they are being asked to give something up.
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I'm not going to turn down social security if it is still available to me after a lifetime of "paying" for it even though I believe it is unconstitutional and a ponzi scheme.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:51 PM (gmeXX)
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But I'll happily accept my "reduction" if it means it is being shrunk somehow. I'll give up plenty if it means we are actually doing some shrinking. But you are right, few want to do that ... probably because they rightly believe that only they are being asked to give something up.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 12:53 PM (gmeXX)
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The anti dp referendum that lost a couple of years ago in Calif was 96% funded from out of state.
The anti dp referendum that lost a couple of years ago in Calif was 96% funded from out of state.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 03, 2016 12:53 PM (iQIUe)
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23 Why We're Screwed:
Because my subsidy is important and necessary, while the other guys subsidy is just welfare for lowlifes.
And the other guy feels the same....so nothing gets eliminated ever.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at August 03, 2016 12:25 PM (u0lmX)
Until it all gets eliminated at once.
Because my subsidy is important and necessary, while the other guys subsidy is just welfare for lowlifes.
And the other guy feels the same....so nothing gets eliminated ever.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at August 03, 2016 12:25 PM (u0lmX)
Until it all gets eliminated at once.
Posted by: Math, a stone-cold bitch at August 03, 2016 12:53 PM (zoehZ)
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The country is changing. People have changed, Voters are changing. Where we go from here is very uncertain, but it will be something between Europe and Venezuela
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taking counsel of your fears.
bigger fear for me is reform movements are about as effective as reforming the waves of the ocean. we can't continue the way we are now.
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taking counsel of your fears.
bigger fear for me is reform movements are about as effective as reforming the waves of the ocean. we can't continue the way we are now.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 03, 2016 12:53 PM (F+xWX)
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The problem with that is that the one class of crimes the government
actually cares about and will crack down on is anything that reduces
their income.
Sure Obama will tell illegals how to avoid the INS, but just see what happens of you make a mistake in your taxes...
-----
THIS
Two choices in the new Amerikka:
1. Depend completely on the state and live the EBT/ SSI lifestyle
2. Work, but have the gubbermint take most of your earnings to support those mentioned in choice #1
actually cares about and will crack down on is anything that reduces
their income.
Sure Obama will tell illegals how to avoid the INS, but just see what happens of you make a mistake in your taxes...
-----
THIS
Two choices in the new Amerikka:
1. Depend completely on the state and live the EBT/ SSI lifestyle
2. Work, but have the gubbermint take most of your earnings to support those mentioned in choice #1
Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 03, 2016 12:53 PM (tvyXw)
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What's wrong with Kansas?!?
Posted by: Grump928(C) notes that all sides can ask this question at August 03, 2016 12:50 PM (rwI+c)
What ISN'T wrong with Kansas?
Posted by: Grump928(C) notes that all sides can ask this question at August 03, 2016 12:50 PM (rwI+c)
What ISN'T wrong with Kansas?
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2016 12:53 PM (TOk1P)
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'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'
-Alexander Fraser Tytler, supposedly
-Alexander Fraser Tytler, supposedly
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 03, 2016 12:53 PM (PjWy4)
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Here's the problem with that. If the TEA party/Cruz was as conservative as they claim, they would have OWNED the right position immigration.
The fact that they don't speaks volumes.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT
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Yeah, even the Tea Party has a blind spot on immigration. They're not perfect. They don't get a 100% score on Masturbatin' Pete's Conservative Report Card.
But Trump gets a 5%
The fact that they don't speaks volumes.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT
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Yeah, even the Tea Party has a blind spot on immigration. They're not perfect. They don't get a 100% score on Masturbatin' Pete's Conservative Report Card.
But Trump gets a 5%
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 12:54 PM (xN1DB)
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>>I'm not going to turn down social security if it is still available to me after a lifetime of "paying" for it even though I believe it is unconstitutional and a ponzi scheme.
Bad analogy. Farmers aren't paying into some farm subsidy retirement plan that they then get to collect on at a later date. The are part of a government assistance plan that includes things like price supports that are more like taxpayer handouts.
Bad analogy. Farmers aren't paying into some farm subsidy retirement plan that they then get to collect on at a later date. The are part of a government assistance plan that includes things like price supports that are more like taxpayer handouts.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 03, 2016 12:55 PM (/tuJf)
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Is there anyone here in the agriculture trade who can fill a brother in on the balance between small family farms and big corporate ones, and their need for (a) loans and (b) subsidies?
Posted by: Qoheleth
I don't think there are many small family farms left, inheritance tax wiped them out. Granpappy would die, the tax bill would come due on the land and a million dollars worth of equipment, the IRS wanted cash and the family couldn't pay without selling out. Farms either incorporated or died.
Posted by: Qoheleth
I don't think there are many small family farms left, inheritance tax wiped them out. Granpappy would die, the tax bill would come due on the land and a million dollars worth of equipment, the IRS wanted cash and the family couldn't pay without selling out. Farms either incorporated or died.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 03, 2016 12:56 PM (UPYhp)
157
The country is changing. People have changed, Voters are changing. Where we go from here is very uncertain, but it will be something between Europe and Venezuela.
Posted by: Larry Gumbo Jr at August 03, 2016 12:49 PM (QybHb)
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And I'll say it again. The last remnants of the great country that I was raised in died on November, 2012.
Posted by: Larry Gumbo Jr at August 03, 2016 12:49 PM (QybHb)
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And I'll say it again. The last remnants of the great country that I was raised in died on November, 2012.
Posted by: Soona at August 03, 2016 12:56 PM (Fmupd)
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Well, it is hard to go on a "muh principles" rant and show your own are flexible SH....
Hula Hoop got caught in the "hypocrisy claw hold"
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:49 PM (SzZnW)
So what you are saying is Trump supporter fascism strikes again...because they will punish anyone who doesn't unreservedly support their Orange Overlord EVEN WHEN that person supports the values that Trumpsters say they support (until Trump shows his GOPeness and they have to turn on a dime to defend him).
Well, it is hard to go on a "muh principles" rant and show your own are flexible SH....
Hula Hoop got caught in the "hypocrisy claw hold"
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:49 PM (SzZnW)
So what you are saying is Trump supporter fascism strikes again...because they will punish anyone who doesn't unreservedly support their Orange Overlord EVEN WHEN that person supports the values that Trumpsters say they support (until Trump shows his GOPeness and they have to turn on a dime to defend him).
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 12:56 PM (3JA/M)
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Honestly, I think the negatives about Greitens and Mission
Continues are very likely going to sink his campaign. So we'll
get that 16 year old kid, whatshisname, the Democrat, as Governor.
Who, interestingly enough, was a Republican until about 10 years
ago. Still, a Democrat in Missouri is one who talks "conservative,"
and then operates in lock-step with the leftists.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2016 12:51 PM (TOk1P)
Chris Koster
Continues are very likely going to sink his campaign. So we'll
get that 16 year old kid, whatshisname, the Democrat, as Governor.
Who, interestingly enough, was a Republican until about 10 years
ago. Still, a Democrat in Missouri is one who talks "conservative,"
and then operates in lock-step with the leftists.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2016 12:51 PM (TOk1P)
Chris Koster
Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2016 12:57 PM (Enq6K)
160
"maybe he lost simply because he was buried with out-of-state donor class cash."
Has anyone seen a recent poll in the Ryan/Nehlen race? Any chance of Ryan being buried by out-of-state lower class cash?
As interesting and important as that race is, the paucity of polling data is strange...
Has anyone seen a recent poll in the Ryan/Nehlen race? Any chance of Ryan being buried by out-of-state lower class cash?
As interesting and important as that race is, the paucity of polling data is strange...
Posted by: Major major major major at August 03, 2016 12:57 PM (RsSaL)
Posted by: Fred ohr at August 03, 2016 12:57 PM (75aPD)
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The anti dp referendum that lost a couple of years ago in Calif was 96% funded from out of state.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 03, 2016 12:53 PM (iQIUe)
Must.
Not.
Make.
All.
The.
Jokes.
*twitches*
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 03, 2016 12:53 PM (iQIUe)
Must.
Not.
Make.
All.
The.
Jokes.
*twitches*
Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at August 03, 2016 12:58 PM (mf5HN)
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@142 Is there anyone here in the agriculture trade who can fill a brother in on the balance between small family farms and big corporate ones, and their need for (a) loans and (b) subsidies?
Posted by: Qoheleth
__________
The subsidies keep smaller farmers in the game longer than the market would otherwise dictate. The subsidies artificially inflate the price of land. Many of the farm program loans are actually non-recourse loans. The farmer defaults, keeps the loan money, and the government owns his crop.
Posted by: Qoheleth
__________
The subsidies keep smaller farmers in the game longer than the market would otherwise dictate. The subsidies artificially inflate the price of land. Many of the farm program loans are actually non-recourse loans. The farmer defaults, keeps the loan money, and the government owns his crop.
Posted by: Furious George at August 03, 2016 12:58 PM (57K5j)
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I don't think there are many small family farms left, inheritance tax wiped them out. Granpappy would die, the tax bill would come due on the land and a million dollars worth of equipment, the IRS wanted cash and the family couldn't pay without selling out. Farms either incorporated or died.
THIS! A thousand times in every state across this great land.
THIS! A thousand times in every state across this great land.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 03, 2016 12:58 PM (AY/TT)
165
"I don't think there are many small family farms left, inheritance tax
wiped them out. Granpappy would die, the tax bill would come due on the
land and a million dollars worth of equipment, the IRS wanted cash and
the family couldn't pay without selling out. Farms either incorporated
or died."
That's what I thought. FarmAid and Jason Aldean's "Amarillo Sky" conjure pretty romantic notions about the small family farmer, but it seemed to me that that's fading fast into history.
wiped them out. Granpappy would die, the tax bill would come due on the
land and a million dollars worth of equipment, the IRS wanted cash and
the family couldn't pay without selling out. Farms either incorporated
or died."
That's what I thought. FarmAid and Jason Aldean's "Amarillo Sky" conjure pretty romantic notions about the small family farmer, but it seemed to me that that's fading fast into history.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 03, 2016 12:58 PM (iIzG7)
166
Excellent. All part of the plan.
If you don't know the plan by now, it starts with Star Wars. When the original 3 movies were re-released in the late 90s, the plan to replace all of Western culture with Star Wars began in earnest.
The creation of the Empire is the next step. We have a Palpatine, and her rise to power is almost complete. There's one other Sith out there - but I digress.
Next, we all become part of the Empire. Trumpkins, Trumpbots, Trumpinators, Trumpscallions - all diversions. The point is that one of us is going to get the schematics for the Death Star and sneak them out to the Rebellion.
Chelsea Clinton - or her twin brother that no one knows about - is going to end up saving us all.
You see? It'll be all right, everyone!
If you don't know the plan by now, it starts with Star Wars. When the original 3 movies were re-released in the late 90s, the plan to replace all of Western culture with Star Wars began in earnest.
The creation of the Empire is the next step. We have a Palpatine, and her rise to power is almost complete. There's one other Sith out there - but I digress.
Next, we all become part of the Empire. Trumpkins, Trumpbots, Trumpinators, Trumpscallions - all diversions. The point is that one of us is going to get the schematics for the Death Star and sneak them out to the Rebellion.
Chelsea Clinton - or her twin brother that no one knows about - is going to end up saving us all.
You see? It'll be all right, everyone!
Posted by: FireHorse at August 03, 2016 12:58 PM (YcAfS)
167
Yeah, even the Tea Party has a blind spot on immigration. They're
not perfect. They don't get a 100% score on Masturbatin' Pete's
Conservative Report Card.
But Trump gets a 5%
---
What is Hillary's score?
And Gary Johnson's score?
And Jill Scott's score?
Just wondering.
Yeah, even the Tea Party has a blind spot on immigration. They're
not perfect. They don't get a 100% score on Masturbatin' Pete's
Conservative Report Card.
But Trump gets a 5%
---
What is Hillary's score?
And Gary Johnson's score?
And Jill Scott's score?
Just wondering.
Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 03, 2016 12:59 PM (tvyXw)
168
158 Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 12:56 PM (3JA/M)
I am a Cruz guy who supports (I guess) Duh Donald...
until you can get as worked up over Billy Dee Kristol electing Grammy H with his efforts as you are with Trump backing GOPers nominating a Doctor to run for the seat I am strangely unmoved.
I liked Hula Hoop a lot of the time, it is not my fault he sucks at retail politics.
I am a Cruz guy who supports (I guess) Duh Donald...
until you can get as worked up over Billy Dee Kristol electing Grammy H with his efforts as you are with Trump backing GOPers nominating a Doctor to run for the seat I am strangely unmoved.
I liked Hula Hoop a lot of the time, it is not my fault he sucks at retail politics.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:59 PM (SzZnW)
169
Bad analogy. Farmers aren't paying into some farm
subsidy retirement plan that they then get to collect on at a later
date. The are part of a government assistance plan that includes things
like price supports that are more like taxpayer handouts.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 03, 2016 12:55 PM (/tuJf)
Or, as P.J. O'Rourke termed it, Moscow on the Hudson (this analogy made more sense before the Soviet Union broke up).
subsidy retirement plan that they then get to collect on at a later
date. The are part of a government assistance plan that includes things
like price supports that are more like taxpayer handouts.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 03, 2016 12:55 PM (/tuJf)
Or, as P.J. O'Rourke termed it, Moscow on the Hudson (this analogy made more sense before the Soviet Union broke up).
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 12:59 PM (3JA/M)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 03, 2016 12:59 PM (F+xWX)
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Claiming a #NeverTrump scalp is never a bad thing. Never.
Posted by: Steven at August 03, 2016 01:00 PM (qXRAF)
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the paucity of polling data is strange...
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There almost certainly is polling data. We (the public) just aren't seeing it.
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There almost certainly is polling data. We (the public) just aren't seeing it.
Posted by: Larry Gumbo Jr at August 03, 2016 01:00 PM (QybHb)
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Shibumi -
There is a third option.
Irish Democracy. Do business off the books, and encourage others to do the same.
One and two are forced on us, and most of us will have to go with the second option. But there is always the third.
There is a third option.
Irish Democracy. Do business off the books, and encourage others to do the same.
One and two are forced on us, and most of us will have to go with the second option. But there is always the third.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 03, 2016 01:00 PM (UP78u)
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Yeah, even the Tea Party has a blind spot on immigration. They're not perfect. They don't get a 100% score on Masturbatin' Pete's Conservative Report Card.
But Trump gets a 5%
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
To me, its a matter of priorities.
Millions of people pouring over our border versus crop subsidies that represent 1% of the federal budget.
I want smaller government, but most of the issues that the Tea Party was pushing was pretty esoteric budget issues that weren't resonating with the public at large. And they also had some really stupid "leaders"
But Trump gets a 5%
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
To me, its a matter of priorities.
Millions of people pouring over our border versus crop subsidies that represent 1% of the federal budget.
I want smaller government, but most of the issues that the Tea Party was pushing was pretty esoteric budget issues that weren't resonating with the public at large. And they also had some really stupid "leaders"
Posted by: Maritime at August 03, 2016 01:00 PM (TF63a)
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What does Hillary get on Pete's "report card"?
And what is "conservative" about enforcing the law and having an intelligent policy on border security, national security, and immigration overall?
"Conservative" has been down-defined so radically that it's almost humorous.
Mass illegal migration is not just the most controllable important issue, it's the one that illustrates the seriousness or political will of anyone seeking office (or of incumbents).
That's why sticking it on some list of perennial, complex, or marginal "issues" renders any analysis of the situation unserious. If you're too dumb or too irresponsible or too cowardly to restore rule of law and sanity in border security and immigration, there's zero chance you'll do anything useful on "size of govt." or stopping the destruction of health care financing or anything else.
And what is "conservative" about enforcing the law and having an intelligent policy on border security, national security, and immigration overall?
"Conservative" has been down-defined so radically that it's almost humorous.
Mass illegal migration is not just the most controllable important issue, it's the one that illustrates the seriousness or political will of anyone seeking office (or of incumbents).
That's why sticking it on some list of perennial, complex, or marginal "issues" renders any analysis of the situation unserious. If you're too dumb or too irresponsible or too cowardly to restore rule of law and sanity in border security and immigration, there's zero chance you'll do anything useful on "size of govt." or stopping the destruction of health care financing or anything else.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 01:00 PM (QDnY+)
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Chelsea Clinton - or her twin brother that no one knows about - is going to end up saving us all.
Doody Skywalker?
Chelsea Clinton - or her twin brother that no one knows about - is going to end up saving us all.
Doody Skywalker?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 03, 2016 01:01 PM (PjWy4)
Posted by: dananjcon at August 03, 2016 01:01 PM (NpXoL)
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What is Hillary's score?
And Gary Johnson's score?
And Jill Scott's score?
Just wondering.
Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people
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5%,
This isn't about who I want to win the election. This is about the direction of the GOP generally.
And Gary Johnson's score?
And Jill Scott's score?
Just wondering.
Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people
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5%,
This isn't about who I want to win the election. This is about the direction of the GOP generally.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:01 PM (xN1DB)
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"which is because he's not a conservative thank God"
See, that's the problem. We have men self-identifying as women, whites self-identifying as black, adults self-identifying as infants, and populists and statists self-identifying as conservatives.
See, that's the problem. We have men self-identifying as women, whites self-identifying as black, adults self-identifying as infants, and populists and statists self-identifying as conservatives.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 03, 2016 01:01 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:02 PM (xN1DB)
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142 "Farmers want good outcomes whether their crops come in big or not."
Seems to me there's a world of difference between a small family farmer looking for a loan to buy seed in the spring or upgrade his irrigation system, and a giant ConAgra farm run as a large-scale corporation. Is there anyone here in the agriculture trade who can fill a brother in on the balance between small family farms and big corporate ones, and their need for (a) loans and (b) subsidies?
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 03, 2016 12:52 PM (iIzG7)
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All of this started under FDR. 99% of the farms then we're family farms. The corporate farming model didn't really take hold until 20 - 30 years ago.
Seems to me there's a world of difference between a small family farmer looking for a loan to buy seed in the spring or upgrade his irrigation system, and a giant ConAgra farm run as a large-scale corporation. Is there anyone here in the agriculture trade who can fill a brother in on the balance between small family farms and big corporate ones, and their need for (a) loans and (b) subsidies?
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 03, 2016 12:52 PM (iIzG7)
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All of this started under FDR. 99% of the farms then we're family farms. The corporate farming model didn't really take hold until 20 - 30 years ago.
Posted by: Soona at August 03, 2016 01:03 PM (Fmupd)
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Ethanol is simultaneously one of my most favorite and least favorite substances.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2016 01:03 PM (noWW6)
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179 "which is because he's not a conservative thank God"
See, that's the problem. We have men self-identifying as women, whites self-identifying as black, adults self-identifying as infants, and populists and statists self-identifying as conservatives.
Posted by: Qoheleth
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At least when a man identifies as a woman, he puts on a dress, changes his name, and talks in a higher pitch.
I'd be thrilled if Trump made that much effort to be a conservative.
See, that's the problem. We have men self-identifying as women, whites self-identifying as black, adults self-identifying as infants, and populists and statists self-identifying as conservatives.
Posted by: Qoheleth
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At least when a man identifies as a woman, he puts on a dress, changes his name, and talks in a higher pitch.
I'd be thrilled if Trump made that much effort to be a conservative.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 01:03 PM (xN1DB)
Posted by: Great Bend obstetrician Roger Marshall at August 03, 2016 01:03 PM (ODxAs)
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23 Why We're Screwed:
Because my subsidy is important and necessary, while the other guys subsidy is just welfare for lowlifes.
And the other guy feels the same....so nothing gets eliminated ever.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at August 03, 2016 12:25 PM (u0lmX)
Until it all gets eliminated at once.
Posted by: Math, a stone-cold bitch at August 03, 2016 12:53 PM (zoehZ)
Por ejemplo: vease Venezuela.
Because my subsidy is important and necessary, while the other guys subsidy is just welfare for lowlifes.
And the other guy feels the same....so nothing gets eliminated ever.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at August 03, 2016 12:25 PM (u0lmX)
Until it all gets eliminated at once.
Posted by: Math, a stone-cold bitch at August 03, 2016 12:53 PM (zoehZ)
Por ejemplo: vease Venezuela.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 01:04 PM (3JA/M)
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See, that's the problem. We have men self-identifying as women, whites self-identifying as black, adults self-identifying as infants, and populists and statists self-identifying as conservatives.
This election cycle, the more a candidate tells me how conservative he is, the less I believe him. That's not cynicism, it's lesson learned.
This election cycle, the more a candidate tells me how conservative he is, the less I believe him. That's not cynicism, it's lesson learned.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 03, 2016 01:04 PM (PjWy4)
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Take away guns and "conservatives" in rural states are just Democrats who love them some sweet sweet govt welfare.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:04 PM (s6X53)
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O/T but I need to vent:
I was in a meeting at work earlier. A particular patient situation came up and the group was discussing it. Someone in the room then said of the patient's caregiver - "Well, you know, he's a big right-winger....doesn't want the government involved in anything, doesn't like Medicare." (with the tone and facial expression of "what a MONSTER!") Then she continues on with, "And then he told me he does media work for someone and you can probably guess WHO!" (again, with the same dripping condescension). Someone else in the room said, "Trump?" again, with almost the same condescension. It was just very uncomfortable and quite inappropriate.
My initial thoughts were: 1. Really? 2. You don't know who's in the room or what their beliefs are 3. This kind of stuff is toxic in a workplace.
I was inclined to voice my concerns to a higher-up, inasmuch as it's just not appropriate work conversation and also, it's dangerous to foster "right" and "wrong" opinions in a workplace whereas people are free to voice the "right" opinion while others are fearful of voicing the "wrong" opinion. It breeds resentment and it serves to alienate. And I won't even go into whether or not it's appropriate to compartmentalize patients under our care...who's to say they won't be retaliated against for their beliefs? I'm not saying the person who mouthed off in the meeting would do that or even entertain the notion, but that's not to say someone else wouldn't.
This whole "right" opinion/"wrong" opinion thing really gets under my skin. What should I do? Now I'm disinclined to say anything because, as you can imagine, it's Democrat/lib whatever top to bottom here.
I was in a meeting at work earlier. A particular patient situation came up and the group was discussing it. Someone in the room then said of the patient's caregiver - "Well, you know, he's a big right-winger....doesn't want the government involved in anything, doesn't like Medicare." (with the tone and facial expression of "what a MONSTER!") Then she continues on with, "And then he told me he does media work for someone and you can probably guess WHO!" (again, with the same dripping condescension). Someone else in the room said, "Trump?" again, with almost the same condescension. It was just very uncomfortable and quite inappropriate.
My initial thoughts were: 1. Really? 2. You don't know who's in the room or what their beliefs are 3. This kind of stuff is toxic in a workplace.
I was inclined to voice my concerns to a higher-up, inasmuch as it's just not appropriate work conversation and also, it's dangerous to foster "right" and "wrong" opinions in a workplace whereas people are free to voice the "right" opinion while others are fearful of voicing the "wrong" opinion. It breeds resentment and it serves to alienate. And I won't even go into whether or not it's appropriate to compartmentalize patients under our care...who's to say they won't be retaliated against for their beliefs? I'm not saying the person who mouthed off in the meeting would do that or even entertain the notion, but that's not to say someone else wouldn't.
This whole "right" opinion/"wrong" opinion thing really gets under my skin. What should I do? Now I'm disinclined to say anything because, as you can imagine, it's Democrat/lib whatever top to bottom here.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 03, 2016 01:04 PM (vg8iE)
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In other words, Mr. Huelskamp's job is to make 434 friends. At least according to the voters of the 1st Congressional district in KS and the Establishment. The federal government is nothing but a bigger version of a high school student council.
Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at August 03, 2016 01:04 PM (dXHHh)
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Yeah, even the Tea Party has a blind spot on immigration. They're not perfect. They don't get a 100% score on Masturbatin' Pete's Conservative Report Card.
But Trump gets a 5%
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
Immigration is the only issue that matters. Lose that one and you lose everything else. Good luck getting Mexico and Guatemala to support your idea of limited government and the rights of Englishmen.
But Trump gets a 5%
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
Immigration is the only issue that matters. Lose that one and you lose everything else. Good luck getting Mexico and Guatemala to support your idea of limited government and the rights of Englishmen.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 03, 2016 01:04 PM (nFdGS)
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Rush is intimating that Huelskamp lost because he was a NeverTrumper.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 03, 2016 01:04 PM (IqV8l)
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This isn't about who I want to win the election. This is about the direction of the GOP generally.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
The sins of Trump are greatly overstated.
I didn't vote for him, I still would have preferred someone else, but he's campaigning on lower taxes, cutting regulation, protecting gun rights, appointing conservative justices, and increasing border security.
He also put as his VP one of the most conservative Governors in the country.
He's not perfect, but this idea that he's equal to Hillary is silly.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
The sins of Trump are greatly overstated.
I didn't vote for him, I still would have preferred someone else, but he's campaigning on lower taxes, cutting regulation, protecting gun rights, appointing conservative justices, and increasing border security.
He also put as his VP one of the most conservative Governors in the country.
He's not perfect, but this idea that he's equal to Hillary is silly.
Posted by: Maritime at August 03, 2016 01:05 PM (TF63a)
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>>the paucity of polling data is strange...
The Free Beacon commission a poll back in May. Ryan was winning by over 70 points. Biggest thing that poll showed is that a huge number of people in his district knew nothing about Nehlan.
Unless you think some miracle has happened in the last 2 months why would anyone waste money on a poll?
The Free Beacon commission a poll back in May. Ryan was winning by over 70 points. Biggest thing that poll showed is that a huge number of people in his district knew nothing about Nehlan.
Unless you think some miracle has happened in the last 2 months why would anyone waste money on a poll?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 03, 2016 01:05 PM (/tuJf)
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"Conservative" has been down-defined so radically that it's almost humorous.
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yeah
They're trying out intersectional and cis
seeing if they like it
love to complain, don't do jack.
"Conservative" has been down-defined so radically that it's almost humorous.
===
yeah
They're trying out intersectional and cis
seeing if they like it
love to complain, don't do jack.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 03, 2016 01:05 PM (F+xWX)
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I don't think there are many small family farms left, inheritance tax wiped them out. Granpappy would die, the tax bill would come due on the land and a million dollars worth of equipment, the IRS wanted cash and the family couldn't pay without selling out. Farms either incorporated or died.
THIS! A thousand times in every state across this great land.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 03, 2016 12:58 PM (AY/TT)
My father did development work for religious organizations for many many years.
You know who were some of the key people on which to call? Small farmers and small business owners. Why? To help them set up trusts whereby a tax exempt organization received various benefits upon death so that the tax burden would either be reduced or eliminated so that the kids could afford to inherit the farmer or business.
As my dad would say, someone is getting that money, you want it to be an organization you support or the IRS?
Also, think about your area. Think about how many subdivisions have Blah Blah Farms in the name. Why? Because the farmer died, the kids don't want to farm and the land is worth a million bucks to sell off for housing. Rational actors gonna rational.
THIS! A thousand times in every state across this great land.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 03, 2016 12:58 PM (AY/TT)
My father did development work for religious organizations for many many years.
You know who were some of the key people on which to call? Small farmers and small business owners. Why? To help them set up trusts whereby a tax exempt organization received various benefits upon death so that the tax burden would either be reduced or eliminated so that the kids could afford to inherit the farmer or business.
As my dad would say, someone is getting that money, you want it to be an organization you support or the IRS?
Also, think about your area. Think about how many subdivisions have Blah Blah Farms in the name. Why? Because the farmer died, the kids don't want to farm and the land is worth a million bucks to sell off for housing. Rational actors gonna rational.
Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at August 03, 2016 01:05 PM (mf5HN)
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Ethanol is simultaneously one of my most favorite and least favorite substances.
Posted by: torquewrench
I'm all for subsidizing ethanol, as long as it's aged in charred oak barrels.
Posted by: torquewrench
I'm all for subsidizing ethanol, as long as it's aged in charred oak barrels.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 03, 2016 01:05 PM (UPYhp)
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Speaking of Ryan, I fear it'll be a disaster if he loses. The donor class will completely say to hell with their voters and there will be an open revolt against Trump. If stopping Hillary is your goal, I think you want Ryan to win.
If this turns into a circular firing squad we will lose everything from the presidency to state legislatures.
If this turns into a circular firing squad we will lose everything from the presidency to state legislatures.
Posted by: Baltar at August 03, 2016 01:06 PM (n6tqt)
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Was it really the Republican establishment who "kicked him off" the committee? Sounds like another kick in the rear by our parents/betters, but would be interested in a few details of how this came down.
Posted by: RM at August 03, 2016 01:06 PM (U3LtS)
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This election cycle, the more a candidate tells me how conservative he is, the less I believe him. That's not cynicism, it's lesson learned.
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Sounds like a good rule of thumb. Tell me what you support and what actions you have taken in the past and I'll decide for myself if you are conservative.
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Sounds like a good rule of thumb. Tell me what you support and what actions you have taken in the past and I'll decide for myself if you are conservative.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 01:07 PM (gmeXX)
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Someone in the room then said of the patient's caregiver - "Well, you
know, he's a big right-winger....doesn't want the government involved in
anything, doesn't like Medicare." (with the tone and facial expression
of "what a MONSTER!") Then she continues on with, "And then he told me
he does media work for someone and you can probably guess WHO!"
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 03, 2016 01:04 PM (vg8iE)
And they came by this knowledge how?
know, he's a big right-winger....doesn't want the government involved in
anything, doesn't like Medicare." (with the tone and facial expression
of "what a MONSTER!") Then she continues on with, "And then he told me
he does media work for someone and you can probably guess WHO!"
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 03, 2016 01:04 PM (vg8iE)
And they came by this knowledge how?
Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2016 01:07 PM (Enq6K)
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Don't forget that Kansas farmers and the corporate welfare junkies hated Huelskamp's position on farm subsidies, but then they screamed when he was booted from the House Ag Committee where he had more influence to stop positions that Kansas RINOs supported.
Cognitive dissonance we much?
Cognitive dissonance we much?
Posted by: Furious George at August 03, 2016 01:07 PM (57K5j)
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I think it may be time for us to admit that as we get closer to the utopian dream of full blown socialism, the entire political spectrum has shifted left and we've become outliers.
Either we continue to let the elites and the ruling class define us, or we redefine ourselves. We make common cause with those we have common cause with, or we continue to vote for those we are told we should vote for.
Shouldn't be too hard to understand, I wouldn't think.
Either we continue to let the elites and the ruling class define us, or we redefine ourselves. We make common cause with those we have common cause with, or we continue to vote for those we are told we should vote for.
Shouldn't be too hard to understand, I wouldn't think.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at August 03, 2016 01:07 PM (4ng05)
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@200 - A conversation with the caregiver.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 03, 2016 01:08 PM (vg8iE)
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...he got "Allen West-ed" by his good friends in the Republicans..
...PS...farmers are not hurting in KS....fucking Jayhawker framers don't pay taxes...residential property taxes and income tax pay for their largess....
...PS...farmers are not hurting in KS....fucking Jayhawker framers don't pay taxes...residential property taxes and income tax pay for their largess....
Posted by: Rickie Ricardo at August 03, 2016 01:08 PM (uils1)
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Ah, the establishment kicked him off the committee, and then the establishment postulates this is a reason he should be kicked out of office.
He should have run as an independent. Then he could keep his committeeships.
He should have run as an independent. Then he could keep his committeeships.
Posted by: Lisa Murkowski at August 03, 2016 01:08 PM (2lndx)
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Ooops, posted before I read the comments! Thanks, morons, for some context.
Posted by: RM at August 03, 2016 01:08 PM (U3LtS)
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Here's the problem with that. If the TEA party/Cruz
was as conservative as they claim, they would have OWNED the right
position immigration.
The fact that they don't speaks volumes.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT
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Yeah, even the Tea Party has a blind spot on immigration. They're
not perfect. They don't get a 100% score on Masturbatin' Pete's
Conservative Report Card.
But Trump gets a 5%
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 12:54 PM (xN1DB)
I don't know what Tea Party groups you are hanging with but the ones I know of very much believe in strict enforcement of our current laws and deporting people who break into the country... these are the same people who were instrumental in electing Dave Brat (who, unlike Trump, does not believe in amnesty).
was as conservative as they claim, they would have OWNED the right
position immigration.
The fact that they don't speaks volumes.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT
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Yeah, even the Tea Party has a blind spot on immigration. They're
not perfect. They don't get a 100% score on Masturbatin' Pete's
Conservative Report Card.
But Trump gets a 5%
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at August 03, 2016 12:54 PM (xN1DB)
I don't know what Tea Party groups you are hanging with but the ones I know of very much believe in strict enforcement of our current laws and deporting people who break into the country... these are the same people who were instrumental in electing Dave Brat (who, unlike Trump, does not believe in amnesty).
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 01:09 PM (3JA/M)
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Like I've said before ... it's going to take two civil wars.
One to separate from the progressives.
Another to separate from the statist republicans. Many of which are here.
One to separate from the progressives.
Another to separate from the statist republicans. Many of which are here.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 03, 2016 01:09 PM (U0YOh)
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Right now the death tax is about $11,000,000 for a couple and you can elect 10 years to pay any estate tax. I don't think it is the same problem for small farmers as it used to be - though it is still used as a reason why the death tax is bad - which it is of course.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 01:09 PM (gmeXX)
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186 "...This election cycle, the more a candidate tells me how conservative he is, the less I believe him. That's not cynicism, it's lesson learned."
Right! It's like when a plumber tells me he's "a good Christian" before I've even gotten an estimate, I'm thinking "uh oh..." and guarding my wallet.
Right! It's like when a plumber tells me he's "a good Christian" before I've even gotten an estimate, I'm thinking "uh oh..." and guarding my wallet.
Posted by: Major major major major at August 03, 2016 01:10 PM (RsSaL)
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This whole "right" opinion/"wrong" opinion thing
really gets under my skin. What should I do? Now I'm disinclined to say
anything because, as you can imagine, it's Democrat/lib whatever top to
bottom here.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 03, 2016 01:04 PM (vg8iE)--Extremely frustrating situation, and one I know well. Liberals never have any compunction about spewing their political take on things in the workplace. Conservatives/Republicans tend to keep their mouths shut.The problem is that Liberals tend to be vindictive also. So if your boss, or whoever, gets the sense that you're a republican (while he/she is a liberal), you can get yourself into professional trouble for your political beliefs. Liberals know this instinctively. That's why they don't care about bringing politics into the workplace.Unfortunately, usually the best option is to not say anything and just eat it. If you're particularly tired of that approach, you can try the "I'm a good thinking democrat/independent/libertarian, but I have questions or concerns about XYZ issues" (all of which are flaws in their position). Play that role too long though, and people will start to get suspicious.
really gets under my skin. What should I do? Now I'm disinclined to say
anything because, as you can imagine, it's Democrat/lib whatever top to
bottom here.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 03, 2016 01:04 PM (vg8iE)--Extremely frustrating situation, and one I know well. Liberals never have any compunction about spewing their political take on things in the workplace. Conservatives/Republicans tend to keep their mouths shut.The problem is that Liberals tend to be vindictive also. So if your boss, or whoever, gets the sense that you're a republican (while he/she is a liberal), you can get yourself into professional trouble for your political beliefs. Liberals know this instinctively. That's why they don't care about bringing politics into the workplace.Unfortunately, usually the best option is to not say anything and just eat it. If you're particularly tired of that approach, you can try the "I'm a good thinking democrat/independent/libertarian, but I have questions or concerns about XYZ issues" (all of which are flaws in their position). Play that role too long though, and people will start to get suspicious.
Posted by: Revenant at August 03, 2016 01:10 PM (3DSAh)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 03, 2016 01:10 PM (C2+Ga)
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Meanwhile, check Drudge. La Streisand in her farewell to the farewell to the farewell to the fuck off tour celebrated Hillary's "victory" with "Happy Days Are Here Again."
Wait - is she criticizing the (dismal) performance of the Magic Negro?
Wait - is she criticizing the (dismal) performance of the Magic Negro?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 03, 2016 01:10 PM (SRKgf)
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Speaking of Ryan, I fear it'll be a disaster if he loses. The donor class will completely say to hell with their voters and there will be an open revolt against Trump. If stopping Hillary is your goal, I think you want Ryan to win.
If this turns into a circular firing squad we will lose everything from the presidency to state legislatures.
Posted by: Baltar at August 03, 2016 01:06 PM (n6tqt)
Paul, is that you?
If this turns into a circular firing squad we will lose everything from the presidency to state legislatures.
Posted by: Baltar at August 03, 2016 01:06 PM (n6tqt)
Paul, is that you?
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 03, 2016 01:10 PM (nFdGS)
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Speaking of Ryan, I fear it'll be a disaster if he loses. The donor class will completely say to hell with their voters and there will be an open revolt against Trump. If stopping Hillary is your goal, I think you want Ryan to win.
If this turns into a circular firing squad we will lose everything from the presidency to state legislatures.
Posted by: Baltar
No, it will finally be a stake in the heart of Republicans that think Amnesty and open border policies are winning issues.
They should have got the message when Cantor and Boehner were retired early, but they didn't
Paul Ryan losing to a complete clown would be the wake up call for the rest of them.
If this turns into a circular firing squad we will lose everything from the presidency to state legislatures.
Posted by: Baltar
No, it will finally be a stake in the heart of Republicans that think Amnesty and open border policies are winning issues.
They should have got the message when Cantor and Boehner were retired early, but they didn't
Paul Ryan losing to a complete clown would be the wake up call for the rest of them.
Posted by: Maritime at August 03, 2016 01:10 PM (TF63a)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 03, 2016 01:11 PM (UP78u)
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Maybe his #nevertrump position had something to do with it....
Posted by: Bobby Ahr at August 03, 2016 01:11 PM (zmZ2x)
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:11 PM (EEKes)
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"This whole "right" opinion/"wrong" opinion thing really gets under my
skin. What should I do? Now I'm disinclined to say anything because, as
you can imagine, it's Democrat/lib whatever top to bottom here."
I feel your pain, bicentennialguy. I also work for a medium-sized hospital corporation, in California. My problem is that I really don't give a damn what people think of me when I shoot my mouth off about Covered California (ObamaCare), Hillary, unions, or anything else. I'm pretty vocal here. Thank being said, I can tell you that if you speak up, you WILL make enemies -- or more likely, get placed on an enemies list. Choose wisely whether you're willing to go that route.
skin. What should I do? Now I'm disinclined to say anything because, as
you can imagine, it's Democrat/lib whatever top to bottom here."
I feel your pain, bicentennialguy. I also work for a medium-sized hospital corporation, in California. My problem is that I really don't give a damn what people think of me when I shoot my mouth off about Covered California (ObamaCare), Hillary, unions, or anything else. I'm pretty vocal here. Thank being said, I can tell you that if you speak up, you WILL make enemies -- or more likely, get placed on an enemies list. Choose wisely whether you're willing to go that route.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 03, 2016 01:11 PM (iIzG7)
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I tend to believe he lost bc he was a nevertrumper. Regardless, blame Boehner - he is the one who kicked him off the committee.
I tend to believe he lost bc he was a nevertrumper. Regardless, blame Boehner - he is the one who kicked him off the committee.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 03, 2016 01:11 PM (iQIUe)
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Speaking of Ryan, I fear it'll be a disaster if he loses. The donor
class will completely say to hell with their voters and there will be an
open revolt against Trump. If stopping Hillary is your goal, I think
you want Ryan to win.
If this turns into a circular firing squad we will lose everything from the presidency to state legislatures.
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We're not "their voters". We own ourselves. As for the donors, they've already made their intentions clear: to beggar Americans for their own gain. The working people have seen their full-time jobs either disappear or their wages stagnate. Thirty million illegals will do that to any First World country.
class will completely say to hell with their voters and there will be an
open revolt against Trump. If stopping Hillary is your goal, I think
you want Ryan to win.
If this turns into a circular firing squad we will lose everything from the presidency to state legislatures.
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We're not "their voters". We own ourselves. As for the donors, they've already made their intentions clear: to beggar Americans for their own gain. The working people have seen their full-time jobs either disappear or their wages stagnate. Thirty million illegals will do that to any First World country.
Posted by: mrp at August 03, 2016 01:12 PM (JBggj)
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Meanwhile, check Drudge. La Streisand in her farewell to the farewell to the farewell to the fuck off tour celebrated Hillary's "victory" with "Happy Days Are Here Again."
Wait - is she criticizing the (dismal) performance of the Magic Negro?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 03, 2016 01:10 PM
Click that link now. She caught herself and said she loves Obama.
Meanwhile, check Drudge. La Streisand in her farewell to the farewell to the farewell to the fuck off tour celebrated Hillary's "victory" with "Happy Days Are Here Again."
Wait - is she criticizing the (dismal) performance of the Magic Negro?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 03, 2016 01:10 PM
Click that link now. She caught herself and said she loves Obama.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 03, 2016 01:12 PM (IqV8l)
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198 Was it really the Republican establishment who "kicked him off" the committee? Sounds like another kick in the rear by our parents/betters, but would be interested in a few details of how this came down.
Posted by: RM
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Huelskamp ticked off Boehner and Ryan by voting against Kubuki theater followed by the inevitable GOP budget bill sell-out to Obama. Boehner retailiated by kicking Huelskamp off the ag committee then actively recruiting squishes to primary Huelskamp.
Posted by: RM
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Huelskamp ticked off Boehner and Ryan by voting against Kubuki theater followed by the inevitable GOP budget bill sell-out to Obama. Boehner retailiated by kicking Huelskamp off the ag committee then actively recruiting squishes to primary Huelskamp.
Posted by: Furious George at August 03, 2016 01:12 PM (57K5j)
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If one of the big name establishment guys gets tossed either from the house or senate it will be a wash or even a victory.
To big ones are Ryan and McCain. The donor class would freak if one of them went down in flames. Ryan seems unlikely to lose, but primary elections with small turnouts, who knows. Remember that is how Cantor got sent off to wall street.
To big ones are Ryan and McCain. The donor class would freak if one of them went down in flames. Ryan seems unlikely to lose, but primary elections with small turnouts, who knows. Remember that is how Cantor got sent off to wall street.
Posted by: William Eaton at August 03, 2016 01:12 PM (KhJh8)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:13 PM (8GNw0)
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@126 - The Privacy Officer was the one who chimed in "probably Trump."
Look, I know it's best to not say anything and I never do. It's just building and it's causing me to become disengaged....but I know it's going to be like this anywhere I go.
Look, I know it's best to not say anything and I never do. It's just building and it's causing me to become disengaged....but I know it's going to be like this anywhere I go.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 03, 2016 01:13 PM (vg8iE)
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Right now the death tax is about $11,000,000 for a couple and you can elect 10 years to pay any estate tax. I don't think it is the same problem for small farmers as it used to be - though it is still used as a reason why the death tax is bad - which it is of course.
Posted by: SH
I'm against the death tax, but its really no longer an issue for farmers.
One good thing Bush tax cuts achieved is freeing 99.9% of people from that evil tax.
Posted by: SH
I'm against the death tax, but its really no longer an issue for farmers.
One good thing Bush tax cuts achieved is freeing 99.9% of people from that evil tax.
Posted by: Maritime at August 03, 2016 01:13 PM (TF63a)
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This whole "right" opinion/"wrong" opinion thing really gets under my skin. What should I do? Now I'm disinclined to say anything because, as you can imagine, it's Democrat/lib whatever top to bottom here.
Posted by: bicentennialguy
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My 0.02 - Let it go.
But keep your ears open. You now know of one coworker who can't be trusted to be polite or discreet.
Posted by: bicentennialguy
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My 0.02 - Let it go.
But keep your ears open. You now know of one coworker who can't be trusted to be polite or discreet.
Posted by: FireHorse at August 03, 2016 01:13 PM (YcAfS)
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Bicentennial guy -
Go to your HIPPA compliance officer and nail their asses to the wall.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants
They probably won't do anything about it. Some people's privacy is more equal than others.
Go to your HIPPA compliance officer and nail their asses to the wall.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants
They probably won't do anything about it. Some people's privacy is more equal than others.
Posted by: Brendan Eich at August 03, 2016 01:13 PM (UPYhp)
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I wonder if Huelskamp could have saved himself against the hit by the US Chamber of Commerce if he had decided to back Trump.
I remember seeing television interviews by him attacking Trump. As I recall, it was basically the same line National Review takes, he was offended by Trump the person, yada yada. Channeling David French type stuff. Rabid and irrational.
One would think that the policy agenda would be more important than divorces and personality. On nation-breaking issues like immigration and Supreme Court justices, one would think Huelskamp the immigration hawk and constitutionalist would like the Trump platform.
But the response of NeverTrumpers is typically things like, "He's never going to use that list of judges, instead he'll appoint his sister to the Supreme Court!" and "He's lying about building a wall!" and "He has orange hair!"
I remember seeing television interviews by him attacking Trump. As I recall, it was basically the same line National Review takes, he was offended by Trump the person, yada yada. Channeling David French type stuff. Rabid and irrational.
One would think that the policy agenda would be more important than divorces and personality. On nation-breaking issues like immigration and Supreme Court justices, one would think Huelskamp the immigration hawk and constitutionalist would like the Trump platform.
But the response of NeverTrumpers is typically things like, "He's never going to use that list of judges, instead he'll appoint his sister to the Supreme Court!" and "He's lying about building a wall!" and "He has orange hair!"
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 03, 2016 01:14 PM (5xDis)
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Because my subsidy is important and necessary, while the other guys subsidy is just welfare for lowlifes.
And the other guy feels the same.... (and the individuals congress critter caters to his district in exchange for catering to another congress critters graft he gets his vote) so nothing gets eliminated ever.
Fixed for completeness. We are completely hosed. Even if St. Reagan returned from the grave, it wouldn't change. The character of our government is atrocious. As is the average citizens character. Thus, the only change is for the worse, not the better. Never the better. Best you can hope for is a delaying action.
Of course all our enemies see this too, and are simply waiting.
Ozymandius? Is that you?
And the other guy feels the same.... (and the individuals congress critter caters to his district in exchange for catering to another congress critters graft he gets his vote) so nothing gets eliminated ever.
Fixed for completeness. We are completely hosed. Even if St. Reagan returned from the grave, it wouldn't change. The character of our government is atrocious. As is the average citizens character. Thus, the only change is for the worse, not the better. Never the better. Best you can hope for is a delaying action.
Of course all our enemies see this too, and are simply waiting.
Ozymandius? Is that you?
Posted by: simplemind at August 03, 2016 01:14 PM (JTwsP)
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Ag subsidies are like Social Security and Minimum Wage.
Conservatives constantly rail against them as anti Founding Fathers, Free market ,etc and they are correct.
What they refuse to accept though, is that none of those three are going to go away. Ever.
So instead, work to change it to benefit more and be less corrupt. Work within the system to bring change, don't just stand outside and throw rocks.
This is where everyone went bonkers a few weeks ago over Trump's remarks about minimum wage.
But Trump is a realist over minimum wage and state candidates in a place like Kansas need to be realists over Ag subsidies.
Our entire Agricultural system, from the 15 acre vegetable farmer to the major wheat conglomerates in Kansas has been completely developed to depend on subsidies from the gov. to remain viable. Just like health care, the system is no longer a market system, but an artificial one based on pricing. The more money poured into it to prop up failures, the more prices rise for everything associated with it.
Re:farming
Land prices are astronomical. It is prohibitive for young people to try to get into farming today. Equipment costs are also astronomical. A new combine costs between $350,000 and $500,000.
One bag of seed corn(remember it is illegal for farmers to save seed in most cases, they MUST buy from one of the big Ag companies) is running close to $300 right now. There is the actual planting , labor, taxes, fertilizer, pesticides, etc. all of which cost huge$$$.
If subsidies were simply pulled out, our entire Agricultural economy would collapse. That's not hyperbole or cronyism , that is simple fact.
Just like the above systems, a slow recalibrating and adjustment is in everyone's best interest. I would certainly rather the ag system in this country had been left alone for the most part, but it wasn't and it can't just be dropped off a 50 story building at this point without serious consequences.
Candidates who can express a goal of market principles while agreeing to cradling the fall to those market prinicples stands a much better chance of having their message accepted and approved.
Conservatives constantly rail against them as anti Founding Fathers, Free market ,etc and they are correct.
What they refuse to accept though, is that none of those three are going to go away. Ever.
So instead, work to change it to benefit more and be less corrupt. Work within the system to bring change, don't just stand outside and throw rocks.
This is where everyone went bonkers a few weeks ago over Trump's remarks about minimum wage.
But Trump is a realist over minimum wage and state candidates in a place like Kansas need to be realists over Ag subsidies.
Our entire Agricultural system, from the 15 acre vegetable farmer to the major wheat conglomerates in Kansas has been completely developed to depend on subsidies from the gov. to remain viable. Just like health care, the system is no longer a market system, but an artificial one based on pricing. The more money poured into it to prop up failures, the more prices rise for everything associated with it.
Re:farming
Land prices are astronomical. It is prohibitive for young people to try to get into farming today. Equipment costs are also astronomical. A new combine costs between $350,000 and $500,000.
One bag of seed corn(remember it is illegal for farmers to save seed in most cases, they MUST buy from one of the big Ag companies) is running close to $300 right now. There is the actual planting , labor, taxes, fertilizer, pesticides, etc. all of which cost huge$$$.
If subsidies were simply pulled out, our entire Agricultural economy would collapse. That's not hyperbole or cronyism , that is simple fact.
Just like the above systems, a slow recalibrating and adjustment is in everyone's best interest. I would certainly rather the ag system in this country had been left alone for the most part, but it wasn't and it can't just be dropped off a 50 story building at this point without serious consequences.
Candidates who can express a goal of market principles while agreeing to cradling the fall to those market prinicples stands a much better chance of having their message accepted and approved.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 03, 2016 01:14 PM (NNq1n)
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Right now, fake news organization NBC News' John Harwood is "reporting" one of his "sources" saying Trump campaign "in disarray" and staffers "suicidal."
"Chaos" is the word used over and over today to describe Trump's campaign.
Right now, fake news organization NBC News' John Harwood is "reporting" one of his "sources" saying Trump campaign "in disarray" and staffers "suicidal."
"Chaos" is the word used over and over today to describe Trump's campaign.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:14 PM (EEKes)
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I just mentioned to the wife that Kid Rock was Up North in Michigan cruising around on Jimmy John's 200 ft. yacht.
She said he grew up around the yacht club we have a condo at, as he's a relative of a family with numerous car dealerships here.
And here I thought he was just another poor Detroit kid.
She said he grew up around the yacht club we have a condo at, as he's a relative of a family with numerous car dealerships here.
And here I thought he was just another poor Detroit kid.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:14 PM (Zs4uk)
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Rush is intimating that Huelskamp lost because he was a NeverTrumper.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 03, 2016 01:04 PM (IqV8l)
Even if he is a NeverTrumper, it is intellectually inconsistent to rabidly support a guy you swear you are supporting because he is against the establishment and then destroy a guy who has a proven record of actually being against the establishment because he doesn't join you in supporting the first guy.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 03, 2016 01:04 PM (IqV8l)
Even if he is a NeverTrumper, it is intellectually inconsistent to rabidly support a guy you swear you are supporting because he is against the establishment and then destroy a guy who has a proven record of actually being against the establishment because he doesn't join you in supporting the first guy.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 01:16 PM (3JA/M)
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193 >>the paucity of polling data is strange...
The Free Beacon commission a poll back in May. Ryan was winning by over 70 points. Biggest thing that poll showed is that a huge number of people in his district knew nothing about Nehlan.
Unless you think some miracle has happened in the last 2 months why would anyone waste money on a poll?
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A more recent poll showed that lead had shrunk down to wafer-thin, and the Potus nominee is a factor - Ryan is clearly no fan of Trump and Trump is no fan of Ryan. So the Ryan/Nehlen race may offer some insight into how the general election will go. That's why, I think. It's certainly why I'd like to see the data and am interested in next Tuesday's primary.
The Free Beacon commission a poll back in May. Ryan was winning by over 70 points. Biggest thing that poll showed is that a huge number of people in his district knew nothing about Nehlan.
Unless you think some miracle has happened in the last 2 months why would anyone waste money on a poll?
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A more recent poll showed that lead had shrunk down to wafer-thin, and the Potus nominee is a factor - Ryan is clearly no fan of Trump and Trump is no fan of Ryan. So the Ryan/Nehlen race may offer some insight into how the general election will go. That's why, I think. It's certainly why I'd like to see the data and am interested in next Tuesday's primary.
Posted by: Major major major major at August 03, 2016 01:16 PM (RsSaL)
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Go to your HIPPA compliance officer and nail their asses to the wall.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants
They probably won't do anything about it. Some people's privacy is more equal than others.
Posted by: Brendan Eich at August 03, 2016 01:13 PM (UPYhp)
Unless I read Bicentennial Guy's post wrong, they weren't talking about the patient per se but about the patient's caregiver.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants
They probably won't do anything about it. Some people's privacy is more equal than others.
Posted by: Brendan Eich at August 03, 2016 01:13 PM (UPYhp)
Unless I read Bicentennial Guy's post wrong, they weren't talking about the patient per se but about the patient's caregiver.
Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2016 01:16 PM (Enq6K)
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The political left and the political right - the ruling class - have united against a huge spectrum of society - the people - what the ruling class has condescended to calling us for decades, "hard working American people."
It shocks the hell out of me that we - "the hard working American people" - can't find it in ourselves to unite against them.
No. We have to cling to 'our side' and 'their side' - exactly as (as I will condescend to call them) "they" want us to.
Cripes, but we are dense.
It shocks the hell out of me that we - "the hard working American people" - can't find it in ourselves to unite against them.
No. We have to cling to 'our side' and 'their side' - exactly as (as I will condescend to call them) "they" want us to.
Cripes, but we are dense.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at August 03, 2016 01:17 PM (4ng05)
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Meanwhile, over at fake news channel CNN, they've been running a countdown clock all day to the Libertarian town hall tonight.
Boy, are they in for surprise when this stupid Town Hall turns out to be a recitation of a wishlist for the Leftists left behind by Bernie Sanders.
Meanwhile, over at fake news channel CNN, they've been running a countdown clock all day to the Libertarian town hall tonight.
Boy, are they in for surprise when this stupid Town Hall turns out to be a recitation of a wishlist for the Leftists left behind by Bernie Sanders.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:17 PM (EEKes)
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If subsidies were simply pulled out, our entire Agricultural economy would collapse.
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No it would not.
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No it would not.
Posted by: SH at August 03, 2016 01:17 PM (gmeXX)
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Posted by: Jen the original at August 03, 2016 01:14 PM (NNq1n)
"Too long a parasite and you cannot exist without a host."
-- Frank Herbert.
"Too long a parasite and you cannot exist without a host."
-- Frank Herbert.
Posted by: Revenant at August 03, 2016 01:17 PM (3DSAh)
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"Chaos" is the word used over and over today to describe Trump's campaign
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Meanwhile, Drudge linked an article that reports Trump raising $80,000,000 in July.
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Meanwhile, Drudge linked an article that reports Trump raising $80,000,000 in July.
Posted by: mrp at August 03, 2016 01:17 PM (JBggj)
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And I won't even go into whether or not it's appropriate to compartmentalize patients under our care...who's to say they won't be retaliated against for their beliefs? I'm not saying the person who mouthed off in the meeting would do that or even entertain the notion, but that's not to say someone else wouldn't.
This whole "right" opinion/"wrong" opinion thing really gets under my skin. What should I do? Now I'm disinclined to say anything because, as you can imagine, it's Democrat/lib whatever top to bottom here.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 03, 2016 01:04 PM (vg8iE)
The adult response? Go to higher ups, state that you found the conversation about the caregiver's political views to be extremely worrisome as it indicated a negative view of the care giver and you believe that will lead to compromised quality of care for the patient. Stress that it was not the content of the criticism but that in a meeting about patient care that any kind of personal or political beliefs which were not relevant to the provision of medical services were mentioned. This displayed overt bias which would lead to a lessened quality of care for the patient, if only because the health care provider would no want to interact with the care giver.
My actual response? A nice little typed up sheet of paper giving the name of the person who said it and what they said should somehow, who knows how, mysteriously wind up stuck in the bag or backpack or laptop case or whatever of the caregiver. Because, hey, they have a right to know about issues that may be impacting patient care. If that leads to a screaming confrontation? Yeah, well, people need called out.
This whole "right" opinion/"wrong" opinion thing really gets under my skin. What should I do? Now I'm disinclined to say anything because, as you can imagine, it's Democrat/lib whatever top to bottom here.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 03, 2016 01:04 PM (vg8iE)
The adult response? Go to higher ups, state that you found the conversation about the caregiver's political views to be extremely worrisome as it indicated a negative view of the care giver and you believe that will lead to compromised quality of care for the patient. Stress that it was not the content of the criticism but that in a meeting about patient care that any kind of personal or political beliefs which were not relevant to the provision of medical services were mentioned. This displayed overt bias which would lead to a lessened quality of care for the patient, if only because the health care provider would no want to interact with the care giver.
My actual response? A nice little typed up sheet of paper giving the name of the person who said it and what they said should somehow, who knows how, mysteriously wind up stuck in the bag or backpack or laptop case or whatever of the caregiver. Because, hey, they have a right to know about issues that may be impacting patient care. If that leads to a screaming confrontation? Yeah, well, people need called out.
Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at August 03, 2016 01:17 PM (mf5HN)
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If subsidies were simply pulled out, our entire Agricultural economy would collapse. That's not hyperbole or cronyism , that is simple fact.
Just like the above systems, a slow recalibrating and adjustment is in everyone's best interest. I would certainly rather the ag system in this country had been left alone for the most part, but it wasn't and it can't just be dropped off a 50 story building at this point without serious consequences.
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That's incorrect. If subsidies were pulled the market would adjust. The beneficiaries would be consumers who would get better products at better prices. Ag is no differently than every other business. The more govt is involved the worse it is for everyone.
Just like the above systems, a slow recalibrating and adjustment is in everyone's best interest. I would certainly rather the ag system in this country had been left alone for the most part, but it wasn't and it can't just be dropped off a 50 story building at this point without serious consequences.
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That's incorrect. If subsidies were pulled the market would adjust. The beneficiaries would be consumers who would get better products at better prices. Ag is no differently than every other business. The more govt is involved the worse it is for everyone.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (s6X53)
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As for the donors, they've already made their intentions clear: to beggar Americans for their own gain. The working people have seen their full-time jobs either disappear or their wages stagnate.
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we're going through the same robber baron oligarchy process Russia did in the 90s
*at the hands of the same people*
history buffs should take note
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we're going through the same robber baron oligarchy process Russia did in the 90s
*at the hands of the same people*
history buffs should take note
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (F+xWX)
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"Chaos" is the word used over and over today to describe Trump's campaign.
I don't get it. The Trump campaign is in chaos, but managed to trounce sixteen opponents in his primary; but the well-oiled Clinton campaign has to cheat to knock off a 74-year-old socialist.
There's a lot of factors involved in how that came to be, but... it does fall into the category of things that make you go "hmmmmmmm."
I don't get it. The Trump campaign is in chaos, but managed to trounce sixteen opponents in his primary; but the well-oiled Clinton campaign has to cheat to knock off a 74-year-old socialist.
There's a lot of factors involved in how that came to be, but... it does fall into the category of things that make you go "hmmmmmmm."
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (iIzG7)
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MSNBC and CNN are nearly entirely about Trump today. They are not news channels. They are DNC tv channels.
MSNBC and CNN are nearly entirely about Trump today. They are not news channels. They are DNC tv channels.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (EEKes)
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Speaking as someone transplanted to KS - 1 for work (with my house on the market), I saw this first hand:
- The folks I know at Rotary / CoC were vehemently opposed to Huelskamp
- Huelskamp didn't push for farm subsidies; this area's been hit by drought and the strong dollar
- Huelskamp's a bit flamboyant for this district
- Marshall ran a commercial with a "farmer" claiming that Huelskamp went up against his business
- Huelskamp has adopted a few children of all races--that doesn't play well among the Confederate flag crowd
- The Brownback & Kobach wrecking crew have extremely low favorables in KS--they're Tea Party favorites who've behaved heavy handedly. Take the low unemployment rate with a grain of salt. Our labor force is shrinking because of the exodus from the state.
- KS has felt some of the effects from the oil bust
- The folks I know at Rotary / CoC were vehemently opposed to Huelskamp
- Huelskamp didn't push for farm subsidies; this area's been hit by drought and the strong dollar
- Huelskamp's a bit flamboyant for this district
- Marshall ran a commercial with a "farmer" claiming that Huelskamp went up against his business
- Huelskamp has adopted a few children of all races--that doesn't play well among the Confederate flag crowd
- The Brownback & Kobach wrecking crew have extremely low favorables in KS--they're Tea Party favorites who've behaved heavy handedly. Take the low unemployment rate with a grain of salt. Our labor force is shrinking because of the exodus from the state.
- KS has felt some of the effects from the oil bust
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (VxHD9)
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230 I wonder if Huelskamp could have saved himself against the hit by the US Chamber of Commerce if he had decided to back Trump.
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Probably
It came down to like 9,000 votes, that could easily swing on something like that
if you go scorched earth on someone that your voters may actually like, its going to ruffle some feathers.
I could overlook it, some can't
Also, the whole "outsider" thing was probably a factor also. He was also redistrcited
I know everyone wants the "farmer needs their handout" but it was probably a lot of things.
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Probably
It came down to like 9,000 votes, that could easily swing on something like that
if you go scorched earth on someone that your voters may actually like, its going to ruffle some feathers.
I could overlook it, some can't
Also, the whole "outsider" thing was probably a factor also. He was also redistrcited
I know everyone wants the "farmer needs their handout" but it was probably a lot of things.
Posted by: Maritime at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (TF63a)
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Boy, are they in for surprise when this stupid Town Hall turns out to be a recitation of a wishlist for the Leftists left behind by Bernie Sanders.
1. Weed
2. Weed
3. Weed
4. Open borders
Boy, are they in for surprise when this stupid Town Hall turns out to be a recitation of a wishlist for the Leftists left behind by Bernie Sanders.
1. Weed
2. Weed
3. Weed
4. Open borders
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 03, 2016 01:19 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 03, 2016 01:20 PM (F+xWX)
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>>A more recent poll showed that lead had shrunk down to wafer-thin, and the Potus nominee is a factor - Ryan is clearly no fan of Trump and Trump is no fan of Ryan.
Pretty sure that was a poll commissioned by Nehlan. I'll be shocked if Ryan doesn't win by at least 20 points.
Pretty sure that was a poll commissioned by Nehlan. I'll be shocked if Ryan doesn't win by at least 20 points.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 03, 2016 01:20 PM (/tuJf)
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"On nation-breaking issues like immigration and Supreme Court justices,
one would think Huelskamp the immigration hawk and constitutionalist
would like the Trump platform."
If the Trump platform were identical line for line and comma for comma with the Clinton platform, I'd still donate, work GOTV, and vote for Trump.
"Not personally a Clinton" swings a damned big stick with me. It overrides many other major flaws.
one would think Huelskamp the immigration hawk and constitutionalist
would like the Trump platform."
If the Trump platform were identical line for line and comma for comma with the Clinton platform, I'd still donate, work GOTV, and vote for Trump.
"Not personally a Clinton" swings a damned big stick with me. It overrides many other major flaws.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2016 01:21 PM (noWW6)
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1. Weed
2. Weed
3. Weed
4. Open borders
Not just that -- socialized medicine, too. Yes, today's Libertarian party are in favor for obamacare. And they don't want Social Security touched, either!
Taxes?? Yes, you'll hear talk about taxes tonight at the Libertarian town hall -- higher taxes for the rich!
1. Weed
2. Weed
3. Weed
4. Open borders
Not just that -- socialized medicine, too. Yes, today's Libertarian party are in favor for obamacare. And they don't want Social Security touched, either!
Taxes?? Yes, you'll hear talk about taxes tonight at the Libertarian town hall -- higher taxes for the rich!
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:21 PM (EEKes)
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Help me, distributed Horde knowledge, you're my only hope! May Cthulhu grant me that blessed release of insanity quickly.
So. For the science minded amongst the Horde, I have a question.
If a massive, massive blinding light comes from direction A and it is hit by a massive, massive blinding light coming from direction B, would anyone who is at the collision point of those lights get the relief of some darkness or is it just blinding blindness?
I ask this for no reason whatsoever.
So. For the science minded amongst the Horde, I have a question.
If a massive, massive blinding light comes from direction A and it is hit by a massive, massive blinding light coming from direction B, would anyone who is at the collision point of those lights get the relief of some darkness or is it just blinding blindness?
I ask this for no reason whatsoever.
Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at August 03, 2016 01:22 PM (mf5HN)
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>>Ag is no differently than every other business. The more govt is involved the worse it is for everyone. posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (s6X53)
Not to reiterate the obvious, but that's not really correct. Ag can't be re-sited. That's why the Staggers Act allowed for differential pricing, competitive access, trackage/haulage rights on bulk rail transport of ag goods, and rate appeals--all government-regulated in an otherwise laudably deregulated industry. So decoupling gov't regulation from the ag business wouldn't be as easy as it would be for other industries, regrettably.
Not to reiterate the obvious, but that's not really correct. Ag can't be re-sited. That's why the Staggers Act allowed for differential pricing, competitive access, trackage/haulage rights on bulk rail transport of ag goods, and rate appeals--all government-regulated in an otherwise laudably deregulated industry. So decoupling gov't regulation from the ag business wouldn't be as easy as it would be for other industries, regrettably.
Posted by: General Zod at August 03, 2016 01:22 PM (Bdeb0)
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Thanks for your advice, everyone. I'm going to let it go. I know who these people are and have always known. I just needed to vent.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 03, 2016 01:22 PM (vg8iE)
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Saw a statistic that 65% of the contributions to Ryan's reelection campaign are coming from within the DC beltway.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 03, 2016 01:22 PM (5xDis)
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (EEKes)
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37 Rep. Tim Huelskamp was virulently anti-Trump, was a leading voice of the #NeverTrump movement in the house, and heavily backed Cruz for President.
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Yeah let's keep shooting each other in the face,guys.
"Virulently " hating anyone but Obama and Hillary is stupid and counterproductive.
37 Rep. Tim Huelskamp was virulently anti-Trump, was a leading voice of the #NeverTrump movement in the house, and heavily backed Cruz for President.
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Yeah let's keep shooting each other in the face,guys.
"Virulently " hating anyone but Obama and Hillary is stupid and counterproductive.
Posted by: Mortimer at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (Fhc/4)
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"We're not "their voters". We own ourselves. As for the donors, they've already made their intentions clear: to beggar Americans for their own gain. The working people have seen their full-time jobs either disappear or their wages stagnate. Thirty million illegals will do that to any First World country."
Only way we win this election is if there is detente between the donor class and Trump. If if there is not, then we lose EVERYTHING. The Dems will have two years to do anything they want.
Only way we win this election is if there is detente between the donor class and Trump. If if there is not, then we lose EVERYTHING. The Dems will have two years to do anything they want.
Posted by: Baltar at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (n6tqt)
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"If a massive, massive blinding light comes from direction A and it is hit by a massive, massive blinding light coming from direction B, would anyone who is at the collision point of those lights get the relief of some darkness or is it just blinding blindness? "
Are the two light sources at exactly the same wavelength?
Are the two light sources at exactly the same wavelength?
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (Zs4uk)
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Bill weld, the libertarian VP candidate said he thinks Breyer was a great SCOTUS justice and would want more like him. And this is the party nevertrump people are voting for because Trump is too liberal. My brain can't take this shit any more.
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Now msnbc is just flat out lying.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (EEKes)
So it's a day ending in 'y'?
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (EEKes)
So it's a day ending in 'y'?
Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2016 01:24 PM (Enq6K)
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Seems to me there's a world of difference between a small family farmer looking for a loan to buy seed in the spring or upgrade his irrigation system, and a giant ConAgra farm run as a large-scale corporation. Is there anyone here in the agriculture trade who can fill a brother in on the balance between small family farms and big corporate ones, and their need for (a) loans and (b) subsidies?
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 03, 2016 12:52 PM (iIzG7)
I am not in agriculture, but I live in farm country, and live among farmers here in Alberta. There's a field of wheat not 20 yards from my house, not mine. Around here. the "small family farm" is extinct, and has been for some time. The area was settled by homesteaders who were granted a quarter-section each (160 acres). That was about all one family could manage to work with horse-drawn equipment, which was the rule, back at that time. But a farmer would never get rich, farming a quarter-section.
Time passes, machinery gets to be good, and then bigger and bigger. The guy with a single quarter doesn't need a half-million dollar combine, but he can sell his land to a neighbor, retire on the proceeds, and his neighbor, can use that huge combine to farm the two or three sections he has accumulated. And maybe the two or three more leases.
So it is all mostly "corporate farming" these days. But "corporate" does not necessarily mean a huge, publicly-traded company like ConAgra. Could be "Joe Clodkicker and sons Farm Corporation". And mostly is, around here.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 03, 2016 12:52 PM (iIzG7)
I am not in agriculture, but I live in farm country, and live among farmers here in Alberta. There's a field of wheat not 20 yards from my house, not mine. Around here. the "small family farm" is extinct, and has been for some time. The area was settled by homesteaders who were granted a quarter-section each (160 acres). That was about all one family could manage to work with horse-drawn equipment, which was the rule, back at that time. But a farmer would never get rich, farming a quarter-section.
Time passes, machinery gets to be good, and then bigger and bigger. The guy with a single quarter doesn't need a half-million dollar combine, but he can sell his land to a neighbor, retire on the proceeds, and his neighbor, can use that huge combine to farm the two or three sections he has accumulated. And maybe the two or three more leases.
So it is all mostly "corporate farming" these days. But "corporate" does not necessarily mean a huge, publicly-traded company like ConAgra. Could be "Joe Clodkicker and sons Farm Corporation". And mostly is, around here.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 03, 2016 01:24 PM (f3Uae)
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>>258
Saw a statistic that 65% of the contributions to Ryan's reelection campaign are coming from within the DC beltway. Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 03, 2016 01:22 PM (5xDis)
Troubling, but not surprising, considering that VA gave Rubio second place in the primaries. Those NoVA voters are sending checks to Ryan...
Saw a statistic that 65% of the contributions to Ryan's reelection campaign are coming from within the DC beltway. Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 03, 2016 01:22 PM (5xDis)
Troubling, but not surprising, considering that VA gave Rubio second place in the primaries. Those NoVA voters are sending checks to Ryan...
Posted by: General Zod at August 03, 2016 01:24 PM (Bdeb0)
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I dunno Alex. But i think there is a song with an answer
Posted by: willow at August 03, 2016 01:24 PM (peVQh)
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A douche song.
Posted by: willow at August 03, 2016 01:24 PM (peVQh)
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*fetches ottoman what for willow to put her feet upon*
Are the two light sources at exactly the same wavelength?
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (Zs4uk)
Yes. They don't realize it though.
Are the two light sources at exactly the same wavelength?
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (Zs4uk)
Yes. They don't realize it though.
Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at August 03, 2016 01:26 PM (mf5HN)
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In the May poll in which Ryan was up big over Nehlen, the internals showed >40% of the respondents had never even heard of Nehlen.
So there was a lot of room for Nehlen to grow based on name recognition.
So there was a lot of room for Nehlen to grow based on name recognition.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 03, 2016 01:26 PM (5xDis)
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Bill weld, the libertarian VP candidate said he
thinks Breyer was a great SCOTUS justice and would want more like him.
And this is the party nevertrump people are voting for because Trump is
too liberal. My brain can't take this shit any more.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (s6X53)
Trump is too liberal but I seriously doubt conservative NeverTrumpers are going to vote Johnson... I suspect that Johnson will draw more support from disaffected Bernie voters who want weed and hold the same liberal anti-liberty social positions as the Libertarian party.
thinks Breyer was a great SCOTUS justice and would want more like him.
And this is the party nevertrump people are voting for because Trump is
too liberal. My brain can't take this shit any more.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (s6X53)
Trump is too liberal but I seriously doubt conservative NeverTrumpers are going to vote Johnson... I suspect that Johnson will draw more support from disaffected Bernie voters who want weed and hold the same liberal anti-liberty social positions as the Libertarian party.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 01:26 PM (3JA/M)
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For the science minded amongst the Horde
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Scientists are a group of people who use <10% of their brains, explaining to us idiots that we only use <10% of our brains.
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Scientists are a group of people who use <10% of their brains, explaining to us idiots that we only use <10% of our brains.
Posted by: Mortimer at August 03, 2016 01:27 PM (Fhc/4)
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>>Time passes, machinery gets to be good, and then
bigger and bigger. The guy with a single quarter doesn't need a
half-million dollar combine, but he can sell his land to a neighbor,
retire on the proceeds, and his neighbor, can use that huge combine to
farm the two or three sections he has accumulated. And maybe the two or
three more leases. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 03, 2016 01:24 PM (f3Uae)
...or the farmers join a "co-op," which cultivates the shared-property mindset like nothing else, and puts in place a Canadian Wheat Board, which is (as I'm sure I don't need to tell you) as anti-conservative a "lobbying group" as a farmer is likely to find...
bigger and bigger. The guy with a single quarter doesn't need a
half-million dollar combine, but he can sell his land to a neighbor,
retire on the proceeds, and his neighbor, can use that huge combine to
farm the two or three sections he has accumulated. And maybe the two or
three more leases. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 03, 2016 01:24 PM (f3Uae)
...or the farmers join a "co-op," which cultivates the shared-property mindset like nothing else, and puts in place a Canadian Wheat Board, which is (as I'm sure I don't need to tell you) as anti-conservative a "lobbying group" as a farmer is likely to find...
Posted by: General Zod at August 03, 2016 01:27 PM (Bdeb0)
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A douche song.
Posted by: willow at August 03, 2016 01:24 PM (peVQh)
Revved up like a duece another runner in the night
A douche song.
Posted by: willow at August 03, 2016 01:24 PM (peVQh)
Revved up like a duece another runner in the night
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 03, 2016 01:28 PM (lKyWE)
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Thanks for your advice, everyone. I'm going to let it go. I know who these people are and have always known. I just needed to vent.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 03, 2016 01:22 PM (vg8iE)
That's probably the best decision both professionally and for your mental health.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 03, 2016 01:22 PM (vg8iE)
That's probably the best decision both professionally and for your mental health.
Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at August 03, 2016 01:28 PM (mf5HN)
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We produce only the finest goods for our fine customers and work well within legal parameters. As often as practicable.
Posted by: Blah Blah Farms Inc. at August 03, 2016 01:28 PM (LdMbv)
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Subsidies...
When Cruz faced a man in favor of corn subsidies, Cruz talked with him and convinced him.
When Trump faced Iowa, he promised more free shit.
We had our chance and we blew it.
When Cruz faced a man in favor of corn subsidies, Cruz talked with him and convinced him.
When Trump faced Iowa, he promised more free shit.
We had our chance and we blew it.
Posted by: Reality Man at August 03, 2016 01:29 PM (Ch0fq)
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I am eligible for, and DO collect SS. For my entire working life, I was taxed a percentage of my wages--not by my permission, I was summarily entered into the program.
I'll accept the monthly REFUND of those taxes with no objection, since it is not an entitlement. As yet, SS doesn't factor into our retirement income--this is by design,but may well change in the future.
I am eligible for, and DO collect SS. For my entire working life, I was taxed a percentage of my wages--not by my permission, I was summarily entered into the program.
I'll accept the monthly REFUND of those taxes with no objection, since it is not an entitlement. As yet, SS doesn't factor into our retirement income--this is by design,but may well change in the future.
Posted by: irongrampa at August 03, 2016 01:29 PM (X35Yt)
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271 Bill weld, the libertarian VP candidate said he
thinks Breyer was a great SCOTUS justice and would want more like him.
And this is the party nevertrump people are voting for because Trump is
too liberal. My brain can't take this shit any more.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (s6X53)
Trump is too liberal but I seriously doubt conservative NeverTrumpers are going to vote Johnson... I suspect that Johnson will draw more support from disaffected Bernie voters who want weed and hold the same liberal anti-liberty social positions as the Libertarian party.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 01:26 PM (3JA/M)
******
Polling shows Johnson is taking more votes from Trump than from Hillary. Bernie voters will vote Hillary or Green, not Libertarian.
thinks Breyer was a great SCOTUS justice and would want more like him.
And this is the party nevertrump people are voting for because Trump is
too liberal. My brain can't take this shit any more.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (s6X53)
Trump is too liberal but I seriously doubt conservative NeverTrumpers are going to vote Johnson... I suspect that Johnson will draw more support from disaffected Bernie voters who want weed and hold the same liberal anti-liberty social positions as the Libertarian party.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 01:26 PM (3JA/M)
******
Polling shows Johnson is taking more votes from Trump than from Hillary. Bernie voters will vote Hillary or Green, not Libertarian.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:29 PM (s6X53)
Posted by: willow at August 03, 2016 01:29 PM (peVQh)
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Subsidies...
When Cruz faced a man in favor of corn subsidies, Cruz talked with him and convinced him.
When Trump faced Iowa, he promised more free shit.
We had our chance and we blew it.
Posted by: Reality Man at August 03, 2016 01:29 PM (Ch0fq)
Word
When Cruz faced a man in favor of corn subsidies, Cruz talked with him and convinced him.
When Trump faced Iowa, he promised more free shit.
We had our chance and we blew it.
Posted by: Reality Man at August 03, 2016 01:29 PM (Ch0fq)
Word
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 01:30 PM (3JA/M)
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Are the two light sources at exactly the same wavelength?
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (Zs4uk)
Yes. They don't realize it though.
Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at August 03, 2016 01:26 PM (mf5HN)
Even at the same wavelength, phased exactly together and timed so that the wave intersect precisely at the intersection where the person is standing, it would still be just two bright lights.
Light doesn't compress like air offering the same effect as noise cancelling headphones. By sending an identical soundwave to oppose an existing one, one will cancel the other. Light doesn't work like that.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:23 PM (Zs4uk)
Yes. They don't realize it though.
Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at August 03, 2016 01:26 PM (mf5HN)
Even at the same wavelength, phased exactly together and timed so that the wave intersect precisely at the intersection where the person is standing, it would still be just two bright lights.
Light doesn't compress like air offering the same effect as noise cancelling headphones. By sending an identical soundwave to oppose an existing one, one will cancel the other. Light doesn't work like that.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:30 PM (Zs4uk)
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Here we go again.....
Posted by: The chicken at August 03, 2016 01:31 PM (Fhc/4)
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anyone familiar with Chicago?
how far is Ogilvy Metra from union station? walking with baggage and a 3yo. is a taxi wiser?
how far is Ogilvy Metra from union station? walking with baggage and a 3yo. is a taxi wiser?
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 03, 2016 01:31 PM (F+xWX)
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Even at the same wavelength, phased exactly together and timed so that the wave intersect precisely at the intersection where the person is standing, it would still be just two bright lights.
Light doesn't compress like air offering the same effect as noise cancelling headphones. By sending an identical soundwave to oppose an existing one, one will cancel the other. Light doesn't work like that.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:30 PM (Zs4uk)
A. Thank you for the actual answer.
II. That sucks given that to which I was actually referring.
Light doesn't compress like air offering the same effect as noise cancelling headphones. By sending an identical soundwave to oppose an existing one, one will cancel the other. Light doesn't work like that.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2016 01:30 PM (Zs4uk)
A. Thank you for the actual answer.
II. That sucks given that to which I was actually referring.
Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at August 03, 2016 01:32 PM (mf5HN)
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Nehlen probably won't win, but I thought the same about Brat.
Paul Ryan has been WAY too vocal of how much he hates Trump after he became the nominee and the fact he's all in for the refugee/amnesty thing is going to hurt.
A better candidate would have beat Paul Ryan, but it's going to be much closer than it usually is for him.
Paul Ryan has been WAY too vocal of how much he hates Trump after he became the nominee and the fact he's all in for the refugee/amnesty thing is going to hurt.
A better candidate would have beat Paul Ryan, but it's going to be much closer than it usually is for him.
Posted by: Maritime at August 03, 2016 01:33 PM (TF63a)
Posted by: Mortimer at August 03, 2016 01:35 PM (Fhc/4)
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i mean
I'm looking at the Google map and it looks doable but in blocks looks maybe 4? plus looks easy to get turned around
I'm looking at the Google map and it looks doable but in blocks looks maybe 4? plus looks easy to get turned around
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 03, 2016 01:35 PM (F+xWX)
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Polling shows Johnson is taking more votes from
Trump than from Hillary. Bernie voters will vote Hillary or Green, not
Libertarian.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:29 PM (s6X53)
That surprises me... he seems tailor made for the Bernie Bros.
Polling shows Johnson is taking more votes from
Trump than from Hillary. Bernie voters will vote Hillary or Green, not
Libertarian.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:29 PM (s6X53)
That surprises me... he seems tailor made for the Bernie Bros.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 01:35 PM (3JA/M)
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Actually, Cruz flipped on the free shit for farmers since he needed to win Iowa
"With the Iowa caucuses less than two months away, Ted Cruz seemed to have an epiphany Thursday night on one of the state's -- and agricultural lobby's -- biggest issues in Congress.
The GOP senator from Texas initially voted with fiscal hard-liners to retain $3 billion in crop insurance cuts that were made as part of a budget deal approved in October. After a visit to the Senate cloakroom, Cruz returned and flipped his vote to side with farming interests, which ultimately prevailed."
"With the Iowa caucuses less than two months away, Ted Cruz seemed to have an epiphany Thursday night on one of the state's -- and agricultural lobby's -- biggest issues in Congress.
The GOP senator from Texas initially voted with fiscal hard-liners to retain $3 billion in crop insurance cuts that were made as part of a budget deal approved in October. After a visit to the Senate cloakroom, Cruz returned and flipped his vote to side with farming interests, which ultimately prevailed."
Posted by: Maritime at August 03, 2016 01:36 PM (TF63a)
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Actually, Cruz flipped on the free shit for farmers since he needed to win Iowa
"With the Iowa caucuses less than two months away, Ted Cruz seemed
to have an epiphany Thursday night on one of the state's -- and
agricultural lobby's -- biggest issues in Congress.
The GOP senator from Texas initially voted with fiscal hard-liners
to retain $3 billion in crop insurance cuts that were made as part of a
budget deal approved in October. After a visit to the Senate cloakroom,
Cruz returned and flipped his vote to side with farming interests, which
ultimately prevailed."
Posted by: Maritime at August 03, 2016 01:36 PM (TF63a)
No
"With the Iowa caucuses less than two months away, Ted Cruz seemed
to have an epiphany Thursday night on one of the state's -- and
agricultural lobby's -- biggest issues in Congress.
The GOP senator from Texas initially voted with fiscal hard-liners
to retain $3 billion in crop insurance cuts that were made as part of a
budget deal approved in October. After a visit to the Senate cloakroom,
Cruz returned and flipped his vote to side with farming interests, which
ultimately prevailed."
Posted by: Maritime at August 03, 2016 01:36 PM (TF63a)
No
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 01:38 PM (3JA/M)
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255: For the science minded amongst the Horde, I have a question.
Posted by: alexthechick
________
Blinding blindingness is the mot likely outcome, but if the wavelengths of light A and light B are such that they interfere with each other in a special way, it's possible that the resultant light would be light C instead of A+B.
(My credentials: Degree in journalism; more than 18,000 tweets on Twitter; watched a lot of that "Wormhole" show with Morgan Freeman. So I really don't know.)
Posted by: alexthechick
________
Blinding blindingness is the mot likely outcome, but if the wavelengths of light A and light B are such that they interfere with each other in a special way, it's possible that the resultant light would be light C instead of A+B.
(My credentials: Degree in journalism; more than 18,000 tweets on Twitter; watched a lot of that "Wormhole" show with Morgan Freeman. So I really don't know.)
Posted by: FireHorse at August 03, 2016 01:38 PM (YcAfS)
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Sheesh, this wailing and wringing of hands of "if only Cruz had won" reminds me of the endless whining about Pickett's Charge.
Ethanol subsidies are somewhere around issue #97 on the list of the top 100 issues facing the nation.
Cruz ran the best campaign he could, strategically and organizationally and technologically. And even within the Republican primary, he never really broke out of his base in any big and sustained way.
Ethanol subsidies are somewhere around issue #97 on the list of the top 100 issues facing the nation.
Cruz ran the best campaign he could, strategically and organizationally and technologically. And even within the Republican primary, he never really broke out of his base in any big and sustained way.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 03, 2016 01:38 PM (5xDis)
Posted by: Mortimer at August 03, 2016 01:39 PM (Fhc/4)
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What uf the lights are different colors. Don't Mind me I'm still trying to decipher the significance of innie or outtie navel s in the scheme of life's meaning
Posted by: willow at August 03, 2016 01:39 PM (peVQh)
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Maybe he just lost because he talked himself into thinking this is something other than a 2 person race like an idiot. Went for the "principled" cow chips and end up exactly where he belongs.
At home.
At home.
Posted by: Drider at August 03, 2016 01:39 PM (bdzyz)
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>>Polling shows Johnson is taking more votes from
Trump than from Hillary. Bernie voters will vote Hillary or Green, not
Libertarian.
There's a pretty detailed post at Hot Air showing this not to be the case. Has some pretty compelling evidence.
Trump than from Hillary. Bernie voters will vote Hillary or Green, not
Libertarian.
There's a pretty detailed post at Hot Air showing this not to be the case. Has some pretty compelling evidence.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 03, 2016 01:41 PM (/tuJf)
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Maritime, to expand on that no: https://ballotpedia.org/Ted_Cruz_presidential_campaign,_2016/Agricultural_subsidies
If you can't support Trump without lying about Cruz, you are doing it wrong.
If you can't support Trump without lying about Cruz, you are doing it wrong.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 01:41 PM (3JA/M)
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Unless I read Bicentennial Guy's post wrong, they weren't talking about the patient per se but about the patient's caregiver.
Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2016 01:16 PM (Enq6K)
Bicentennial Guy could go to the patient, and say, "look buddy, you don't know me, but your caregiver has been slagging you over your politics in office conversation."
Posted by: Tami at August 03, 2016 01:16 PM (Enq6K)
Bicentennial Guy could go to the patient, and say, "look buddy, you don't know me, but your caregiver has been slagging you over your politics in office conversation."
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 03, 2016 01:41 PM (f3Uae)
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That's a lie!!!! Ted is a PROPHET!!!!!
And nood thread against Trump through the intervention of Ted of the Truth in the affairs ofmen persons!!!
And nood thread against Trump through the intervention of Ted of the Truth in the affairs of
Posted by: rudebonsai at August 03, 2016 01:41 PM (LdMbv)
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PBUH
Posted by: Mortimer at August 03, 2016 01:42 PM (Fhc/4)
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I really need vitamin s
Posted by: willow at August 03, 2016 01:43 PM (peVQh)
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@284 If you haven't left already, TAKE THE CAB.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 03, 2016 01:43 PM (hqZPQ)
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270 In the May poll in which Ryan was up big over Nehlen, the internals showed >40% of the respondents had never even heard of Nehlen.
So there was a lot of room for Nehlen to grow based on name recognition.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 03, 2016 01:26 PM (5xDis)
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Considering Nehlen has no budget or name recognition he has done a remarkable job in getting attention.
Ryan of course helped Nehlen by building a big fence around his yard. Ryan made it look worse by saying he did it to protect his property and family (not realizing that sort makes the argument for a border wall). Ryan then refused to meet with people who lost loved ones due to illegal immigrants. I assume hiding behind his property protection wall...it keeps the angry mothers out and other assorted average American citizens.
I mean everyone always goes on about Trump's gaffes, but the problem is they don't realize is a lot of Republicans say stupid stuff...including Saint Ryan. It is just that it does not get the media's attention at the local level, but on the national level, like running for President, it gets notice.
Dems on the other hand can just lie their assess off, and the media will cover up for them. Remember there is a Democrat in the Senate who claimed he was in the Vietnam War and never set foot in the place. Another Dem senator claims she is Native American and is not, a Dem presidential nominee who still claims she never sent any e-mails with classified info after the FBI said she did on national TV, etc.
So there was a lot of room for Nehlen to grow based on name recognition.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 03, 2016 01:26 PM (5xDis)
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Considering Nehlen has no budget or name recognition he has done a remarkable job in getting attention.
Ryan of course helped Nehlen by building a big fence around his yard. Ryan made it look worse by saying he did it to protect his property and family (not realizing that sort makes the argument for a border wall). Ryan then refused to meet with people who lost loved ones due to illegal immigrants. I assume hiding behind his property protection wall...it keeps the angry mothers out and other assorted average American citizens.
I mean everyone always goes on about Trump's gaffes, but the problem is they don't realize is a lot of Republicans say stupid stuff...including Saint Ryan. It is just that it does not get the media's attention at the local level, but on the national level, like running for President, it gets notice.
Dems on the other hand can just lie their assess off, and the media will cover up for them. Remember there is a Democrat in the Senate who claimed he was in the Vietnam War and never set foot in the place. Another Dem senator claims she is Native American and is not, a Dem presidential nominee who still claims she never sent any e-mails with classified info after the FBI said she did on national TV, etc.
Posted by: William Eaton at August 03, 2016 01:45 PM (KhJh8)
305
Ag is no differently than every other business. The more govt is involved the worse it is for everyone.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (s6X53)
Ag IS different than other businesses. You're dealing with producing products that are not predictable in creation because you don't have consistent ingredients and conditions. You can build a factory that makes plastic buckets. The plastic pellets come in a consistent form, are melted, go into a consistent form, are cooled, then come out as a bucket. In a temperature controlled environment.
Farming takes putting a seed into ground, then hoping that it warms to the needed temperature, then rains, then has enough sunshine, then not too much sunshine or heat, then grows, then isn't invaded by hundreds of varieties of plant eating insects, then continues to have enough sunshine, water, temps, etc. (NONE of which are under your control), enough fertilizer, but not too much, etc.
Then they get mature, you don't get a tornado, straight line winds, flooding rains, or one of many other out of your control issues that destroys the crop. Once you get it harvested, you play the russian roulette market game of paying storage fees to store your grain until the market gains. Or , you played it in the spring when you sold your crop on futures , because you needed the money to buy seed and the futures contract helped get you the loan for the seed.
I haven't even delved into vegetable, fruit farming.
Milk, meat farming, where your dealing with animals who get sick, whose calves die, etc. Much of which is out of your control.
Then you have the idiotic federal government who comes up with trade deals with foreign countries which allow powdered milk products from China to be imported here, while our own milk farmers deal with pricing that is lower than it costs to milk a herd(remember, animals consume feed 24/7)
Or like the cherry farmers in Upper Michigan who have to throw away excess cherry production because the gov. has a trade deal to import cherries from S. America . They are not even allowed to donate the cherries to churches, food pantries, etc.
This takes you to a link from a couple of years ago detailing the asinine New Deal regulations in place on cherry farmers and processors in Michigan. If you want to learn how stupid the USDA and the Fed. farming rules are...
http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2014/07/cherry_wars_the_crazy_economic.html
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (s6X53)
Ag IS different than other businesses. You're dealing with producing products that are not predictable in creation because you don't have consistent ingredients and conditions. You can build a factory that makes plastic buckets. The plastic pellets come in a consistent form, are melted, go into a consistent form, are cooled, then come out as a bucket. In a temperature controlled environment.
Farming takes putting a seed into ground, then hoping that it warms to the needed temperature, then rains, then has enough sunshine, then not too much sunshine or heat, then grows, then isn't invaded by hundreds of varieties of plant eating insects, then continues to have enough sunshine, water, temps, etc. (NONE of which are under your control), enough fertilizer, but not too much, etc.
Then they get mature, you don't get a tornado, straight line winds, flooding rains, or one of many other out of your control issues that destroys the crop. Once you get it harvested, you play the russian roulette market game of paying storage fees to store your grain until the market gains. Or , you played it in the spring when you sold your crop on futures , because you needed the money to buy seed and the futures contract helped get you the loan for the seed.
I haven't even delved into vegetable, fruit farming.
Milk, meat farming, where your dealing with animals who get sick, whose calves die, etc. Much of which is out of your control.
Then you have the idiotic federal government who comes up with trade deals with foreign countries which allow powdered milk products from China to be imported here, while our own milk farmers deal with pricing that is lower than it costs to milk a herd(remember, animals consume feed 24/7)
Or like the cherry farmers in Upper Michigan who have to throw away excess cherry production because the gov. has a trade deal to import cherries from S. America . They are not even allowed to donate the cherries to churches, food pantries, etc.
This takes you to a link from a couple of years ago detailing the asinine New Deal regulations in place on cherry farmers and processors in Michigan. If you want to learn how stupid the USDA and the Fed. farming rules are...
http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2014/07/cherry_wars_the_crazy_economic.html
Posted by: Jen the original at August 03, 2016 01:45 PM (NNq1n)
306
I will gladly vote for Hillary on Tues-day for an ammo subsidy to-day.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 03, 2016 01:45 PM (97XyN)
307
If a massive, massive blinding light comes from direction A and it is hit by a massive, massive blinding light coming from direction B, would anyone who is at the collision point of those lights get the relief of some darkness or is it just blinding blindness?
I ask this for no reason whatsoever.
Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at August 03, 2016 01:22 PM (mf5HN)
No, the one would not cancel the other.
I ask this for no reason whatsoever.
Posted by: alexthechick -Darth Sugartits at August 03, 2016 01:22 PM (mf5HN)
No, the one would not cancel the other.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 03, 2016 01:46 PM (f3Uae)
308
"If Trump loses, the #Nevertrump crowd will be excommunicated. Especially Bill Kristol."
It doesn't take Trump losing for that. Kristol stripped himself of every molecule of credibility that he ever had.
His was the first mask to slip, under it was a surreal thought that Hillary had to be elected to save conservatism which ranks right up there with Thomas Friedman's idea of printing a trillion dollar platinum coin that the treasury could borrow against.
He is just that ludicrous.
It doesn't take Trump losing for that. Kristol stripped himself of every molecule of credibility that he ever had.
His was the first mask to slip, under it was a surreal thought that Hillary had to be elected to save conservatism which ranks right up there with Thomas Friedman's idea of printing a trillion dollar platinum coin that the treasury could borrow against.
He is just that ludicrous.
Posted by: Drider at August 03, 2016 01:46 PM (bdzyz)
309
255 Help me, distributed Horde knowledge, you're my only hope! May Cthulhu grant me that blessed release of insanity quickly.
So. For the science minded amongst the Horde, I have a question.
If a massive, massive blinding light comes from direction A and it is hit by a massive, massive blinding light coming from direction B, would anyone who is at the collision point of those lights get the relief of some darkness or is it just blinding blindness?
I ask this for no reason whatsoever.
_________
If you were infinitely thin, then you might get lucky and the particle/waves would exactly cancel each other out. If, like me, you are somewhat less thin than the ideal, you'll more likely just explode when you are hit by these high-energy beams from two directions.
So. For the science minded amongst the Horde, I have a question.
If a massive, massive blinding light comes from direction A and it is hit by a massive, massive blinding light coming from direction B, would anyone who is at the collision point of those lights get the relief of some darkness or is it just blinding blindness?
I ask this for no reason whatsoever.
_________
If you were infinitely thin, then you might get lucky and the particle/waves would exactly cancel each other out. If, like me, you are somewhat less thin than the ideal, you'll more likely just explode when you are hit by these high-energy beams from two directions.
Posted by: major major major major at August 03, 2016 01:47 PM (sW9iC)
310
Neither Paul nor Rubio appeared to agonize over the Thursday vote as Cruz did. A spokesman for Cruz said the senator always intended to vote to support the crop insurance program.
"The series of votes on the highway bill was changed and he voted NO believing he was voting on cloture for the highway bill. Once he realized it, he changed his vote to YES," Phil Novack said.
But the series of events on the floor appeared more dramatic. Toward the end of the roll call, Cruz strode onto the Senate floor, studied how his colleagues had voted, then voted against restoring the crop insurance.
Cruz was immediately collared by Senate Agriculture Committee Chairman Pat Roberts (R-Kan.), and the two talked for a minute or so as Cruz listened intently. He turned to Republican Secretary of the Senate Laura Dove and gave the "just a minute" signal before walking to the cloakroom.
Two minutes later, Cruz approached the clerk and changed his vote.
The cuts to crop insurance represented the most politically charged spending reform in this year's budget deal, and, within hours of announcing the deal this fall, leaders were already intent on reversing it.
Cruz said that he voted against the 2014 farm bill mostly because of its food stamps provisions, not over crop insurance. But he added that farmers should have more choices than the federal crop insurance program and that wealthy farmers should not benefit from it inordinately.
"The series of votes on the highway bill was changed and he voted NO believing he was voting on cloture for the highway bill. Once he realized it, he changed his vote to YES," Phil Novack said.
But the series of events on the floor appeared more dramatic. Toward the end of the roll call, Cruz strode onto the Senate floor, studied how his colleagues had voted, then voted against restoring the crop insurance.
Cruz was immediately collared by Senate Agriculture Committee Chairman Pat Roberts (R-Kan.), and the two talked for a minute or so as Cruz listened intently. He turned to Republican Secretary of the Senate Laura Dove and gave the "just a minute" signal before walking to the cloakroom.
Two minutes later, Cruz approached the clerk and changed his vote.
The cuts to crop insurance represented the most politically charged spending reform in this year's budget deal, and, within hours of announcing the deal this fall, leaders were already intent on reversing it.
Cruz said that he voted against the 2014 farm bill mostly because of its food stamps provisions, not over crop insurance. But he added that farmers should have more choices than the federal crop insurance program and that wealthy farmers should not benefit from it inordinately.
Posted by: rudebonsai at August 03, 2016 01:47 PM (LdMbv)
311
#297
There's a pretty detailed post at Hot Air showing this not to be the case. Has some pretty compelling evidence.
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I've read the same elsewhere. Most of the 3d party alternative voters are Dems.
There's a pretty detailed post at Hot Air showing this not to be the case. Has some pretty compelling evidence.
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I've read the same elsewhere. Most of the 3d party alternative voters are Dems.
Posted by: mrp at August 03, 2016 01:48 PM (JBggj)
312
Ag IS different than other businesses. You're
dealing with producing products that are not predictable in creation
because you don't have consistent ingredients and conditions. You can
build a factory that makes plastic buckets. The plastic pellets come in a
consistent form, are melted, go into a consistent form, are cooled,
then come out as a bucket. In a temperature controlled environment.
Farming takes putting a seed into ground, then hoping that it warms
to the needed temperature, then rains, then has enough sunshine, then
not too much sunshine or heat, then grows, then isn't invaded by
hundreds of varieties of plant eating insects, then continues to have
enough sunshine, water, temps, etc. (NONE of which are under your
control), enough fertilizer, but not too much, etc.
Then they get mature, you don't get a tornado, straight line winds,
flooding rains, or one of many other out of your control issues that
destroys the crop. Once you get it harvested, you play the russian
roulette market game of paying storage fees to store your grain until
the market gains. Or , you played it in the spring when you sold your
crop on futures , because you needed the money to buy seed and the
futures contract helped get you the loan for the seed.
I haven't even delved into vegetable, fruit farming.
Milk, meat farming, where your dealing with animals who get sick, whose calves die, etc. Much of which is out of your control.
Then you have the idiotic federal government who comes up with trade
deals with foreign countries which allow powdered milk products from
China to be imported here, while our own milk farmers deal with pricing
that is lower than it costs to milk a herd(remember, animals consume
feed 24/7)
Or like the cherry farmers in Upper Michigan who have to throw away
excess cherry production because the gov. has a trade deal to import
cherries from S. America . They are not even allowed to donate the
cherries to churches, food pantries, etc.
This takes you to a link from a couple of years ago detailing the
asinine New Deal regulations in place on cherry farmers and processors
in Michigan. If you want to learn how stupid the USDA and the Fed.
farming rules are...
http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2014/07/cherry_wars_the_crazy_economic.html
Posted by: Jen the original at August 03, 2016 01:45 PM (NNq1n)
So are you pleading for the need for government interventions because agriculture is a special case or are you rightly pointing out government shouldn't be allowed to have its sticky corrupt fingers in the cherry pie of agriculture?
dealing with producing products that are not predictable in creation
because you don't have consistent ingredients and conditions. You can
build a factory that makes plastic buckets. The plastic pellets come in a
consistent form, are melted, go into a consistent form, are cooled,
then come out as a bucket. In a temperature controlled environment.
Farming takes putting a seed into ground, then hoping that it warms
to the needed temperature, then rains, then has enough sunshine, then
not too much sunshine or heat, then grows, then isn't invaded by
hundreds of varieties of plant eating insects, then continues to have
enough sunshine, water, temps, etc. (NONE of which are under your
control), enough fertilizer, but not too much, etc.
Then they get mature, you don't get a tornado, straight line winds,
flooding rains, or one of many other out of your control issues that
destroys the crop. Once you get it harvested, you play the russian
roulette market game of paying storage fees to store your grain until
the market gains. Or , you played it in the spring when you sold your
crop on futures , because you needed the money to buy seed and the
futures contract helped get you the loan for the seed.
I haven't even delved into vegetable, fruit farming.
Milk, meat farming, where your dealing with animals who get sick, whose calves die, etc. Much of which is out of your control.
Then you have the idiotic federal government who comes up with trade
deals with foreign countries which allow powdered milk products from
China to be imported here, while our own milk farmers deal with pricing
that is lower than it costs to milk a herd(remember, animals consume
feed 24/7)
Or like the cherry farmers in Upper Michigan who have to throw away
excess cherry production because the gov. has a trade deal to import
cherries from S. America . They are not even allowed to donate the
cherries to churches, food pantries, etc.
This takes you to a link from a couple of years ago detailing the
asinine New Deal regulations in place on cherry farmers and processors
in Michigan. If you want to learn how stupid the USDA and the Fed.
farming rules are...
http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2014/07/cherry_wars_the_crazy_economic.html
Posted by: Jen the original at August 03, 2016 01:45 PM (NNq1n)
So are you pleading for the need for government interventions because agriculture is a special case or are you rightly pointing out government shouldn't be allowed to have its sticky corrupt fingers in the cherry pie of agriculture?
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 01:49 PM (3JA/M)
313
I think I'll go with the "he lost because he didn't get as many votes" theory.
Posted by: Rich h at August 03, 2016 01:49 PM (3joCk)
Posted by: FireHorse at August 03, 2016 01:52 PM (YcAfS)
315
...or the farmers join a "co-op," which cultivates the shared-property mindset like nothing else, and puts in place a Canadian Wheat Board, which is (as I'm sure I don't need to tell you) as anti-conservative a "lobbying group" as a farmer is likely to find...
Posted by: General Zod at August 03, 2016 01:27 PM (Bdeb0)
Co-Ops here were mainly on the consuming side. And the Canadian Wheat Board was enacted by the Liberal Government of Mackenzie King, over protests from Western farmers. Wheat farmers in Ontario and Quebec were exempt, you know. That was top-down imposed Socialism. Of course, many lazy farmers got used to it, as it relieved them of the necessity, and risk, of having to get their own crop to market.
The Conservative Government of Stephen Harper killed the mandatory aspect of the CWB, and farmers are now free to sell their crop wherever and whenever. As a result, the now much-reduced CWB has had to up its game.
Posted by: General Zod at August 03, 2016 01:27 PM (Bdeb0)
Co-Ops here were mainly on the consuming side. And the Canadian Wheat Board was enacted by the Liberal Government of Mackenzie King, over protests from Western farmers. Wheat farmers in Ontario and Quebec were exempt, you know. That was top-down imposed Socialism. Of course, many lazy farmers got used to it, as it relieved them of the necessity, and risk, of having to get their own crop to market.
The Conservative Government of Stephen Harper killed the mandatory aspect of the CWB, and farmers are now free to sell their crop wherever and whenever. As a result, the now much-reduced CWB has had to up its game.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 03, 2016 01:54 PM (f3Uae)
316
Neither Paul nor Rubio appeared to agonize over the
Thursday vote as Cruz did. A spokesman for Cruz said the senator always
intended to vote to support the crop insurance program.
"The series of votes on the highway bill was changed and he voted NO
believing he was voting on cloture for the highway bill. Once he
realized it, he changed his vote to YES," Phil Novack said.
But the series of events on the floor appeared more dramatic. Toward
the end of the roll call, Cruz strode onto the Senate floor, studied
how his colleagues had voted, then voted against restoring the crop
insurance.
Cruz was immediately collared by Senate Agriculture Committee
Chairman Pat Roberts (R-Kan.), and the two talked for a minute or so as
Cruz listened intently. He turned to Republican Secretary of the Senate
Laura Dove and gave the "just a minute" signal before walking to the
cloakroom.
Two minutes later, Cruz approached the clerk and changed his vote.
The cuts to crop insurance represented the most politically charged
spending reform in this year's budget deal, and, within hours of
announcing the deal this fall, leaders were already intent on reversing
it.
Cruz said that he voted against the 2014 farm bill mostly because of
its food stamps provisions, not over crop insurance. But he added that
farmers should have more choices than the federal crop insurance program
and that wealthy farmers should not benefit from it inordinately.
Posted by: rudebonsai at August 03, 2016 01:47 PM (LdMbv)
Thanks, Maritime (or is this another Mort sock... hmmmm) but I already read the article.
Despite Politico's spin, this vote had nothing to do with Cruz's opposition to crop subsidies and, in particular, that ethanol mandates that were the issue in Iowa.
It is a misrepresentation (I.E.: lie) to represent this as a flip plop to win Iowa.
Thursday vote as Cruz did. A spokesman for Cruz said the senator always
intended to vote to support the crop insurance program.
"The series of votes on the highway bill was changed and he voted NO
believing he was voting on cloture for the highway bill. Once he
realized it, he changed his vote to YES," Phil Novack said.
But the series of events on the floor appeared more dramatic. Toward
the end of the roll call, Cruz strode onto the Senate floor, studied
how his colleagues had voted, then voted against restoring the crop
insurance.
Cruz was immediately collared by Senate Agriculture Committee
Chairman Pat Roberts (R-Kan.), and the two talked for a minute or so as
Cruz listened intently. He turned to Republican Secretary of the Senate
Laura Dove and gave the "just a minute" signal before walking to the
cloakroom.
Two minutes later, Cruz approached the clerk and changed his vote.
The cuts to crop insurance represented the most politically charged
spending reform in this year's budget deal, and, within hours of
announcing the deal this fall, leaders were already intent on reversing
it.
Cruz said that he voted against the 2014 farm bill mostly because of
its food stamps provisions, not over crop insurance. But he added that
farmers should have more choices than the federal crop insurance program
and that wealthy farmers should not benefit from it inordinately.
Posted by: rudebonsai at August 03, 2016 01:47 PM (LdMbv)
Thanks, Maritime (or is this another Mort sock... hmmmm) but I already read the article.
Despite Politico's spin, this vote had nothing to do with Cruz's opposition to crop subsidies and, in particular, that ethanol mandates that were the issue in Iowa.
It is a misrepresentation (I.E.: lie) to represent this as a flip plop to win Iowa.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 01:54 PM (3JA/M)
Posted by: irongrampa at August 03, 2016 01:58 PM (X35Yt)
318
Who cares what Cruz voted on or didn't. He most likely needs to find a whale to replace Mercer and Adleson come his election cycle anyhow.
Posted by: Drider at August 03, 2016 02:01 PM (bdzyz)
319
So are you pleading for the need for government interventions because agriculture is a special case or are you rightly pointing out government shouldn't be allowed to have its sticky corrupt fingers in the cherry pie of agriculture?
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 01:49 PM (3JA/M)
Suggest you research "cheap food policy". In short, it's in Leviathan's best interest to keep food cheap to avoid riots in the streets. Massive intervention in ag is one way to do it.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 01:49 PM (3JA/M)
Suggest you research "cheap food policy". In short, it's in Leviathan's best interest to keep food cheap to avoid riots in the streets. Massive intervention in ag is one way to do it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 03, 2016 02:01 PM (f3Uae)
320
Here's a twist: Tim Huelskamp is on the committee that determines who is on the Ag Committee, and that will happen before the new Congress is seated. He should not put Roger Marshall on it.
This was a missed opportunity for Huelskamp, I think. He should have mentioned that fact in his ads, that he could have put HIMSELF on the committee next time.
This was a missed opportunity for Huelskamp, I think. He should have mentioned that fact in his ads, that he could have put HIMSELF on the committee next time.
Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 03, 2016 02:05 PM (CmpB+)
321
65 Someone earlier today mentioned that Tim was also a #NeverTrumper; if true, I imagine that alienated a large contingent of primary voters.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 03, 2016 12:34 PM (gyKtp)
This wasn't mentioned in any ads I heard or saw. I doubt it had an effect at all. It was all about Huelskamp being a "Washington insider" (lie) and voting against the Farm Bill (true).
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 03, 2016 12:34 PM (gyKtp)
This wasn't mentioned in any ads I heard or saw. I doubt it had an effect at all. It was all about Huelskamp being a "Washington insider" (lie) and voting against the Farm Bill (true).
Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 03, 2016 02:11 PM (CmpB+)
322
65 Someone earlier today mentioned that Tim was also a #NeverTrumper; if true, I imagine that alienated a large contingent of primary voters.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 03, 2016 12:34 PM (gyKtp)
This wasn't mentioned in any ads I heard or saw. I doubt it had an effect at all. It was all about Huelskamp being a "Washington insider" (lie) and voting against the Farm Bill (true).
Reroll those bones. I think you will see that his bailing on the POTUS race was a large factor.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 03, 2016 12:34 PM (gyKtp)
This wasn't mentioned in any ads I heard or saw. I doubt it had an effect at all. It was all about Huelskamp being a "Washington insider" (lie) and voting against the Farm Bill (true).
Reroll those bones. I think you will see that his bailing on the POTUS race was a large factor.
Posted by: Drider at August 03, 2016 02:14 PM (bdzyz)
323
122 106: I'll admit, that's probably the predominant reason he lost. The state GOP there is about as establishment as it comes, IIRC. They kneecapped their own AG who was taking on the abortion industry (I.e. ENFORCING THE F***ING LAW) in that state rather than take a stand a few years ago.
Posted by: Jackal at August 03, 2016 12:48 PM (Lyh9/)
The state GOP went far right in the past few elections, but the RINOs turned that around partially last night. The SCOK has made a farce of separation of powers, as every time Congress makes a school budget the SCOK overrules it using terms that aren't in the Constitution. Also, Kansas isn't bringing in projected revenue from taxes, which we hear every month. They threatened to close all schools on July 1 if they didn't capitulate.
That is all anyone hears here. It had an impact last night.
Posted by: Jackal at August 03, 2016 12:48 PM (Lyh9/)
The state GOP went far right in the past few elections, but the RINOs turned that around partially last night. The SCOK has made a farce of separation of powers, as every time Congress makes a school budget the SCOK overrules it using terms that aren't in the Constitution. Also, Kansas isn't bringing in projected revenue from taxes, which we hear every month. They threatened to close all schools on July 1 if they didn't capitulate.
That is all anyone hears here. It had an impact last night.
Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 03, 2016 02:17 PM (CmpB+)
324
That's incorrect. If subsidies were pulled the market would adjust. The beneficiaries would be consumers who would get better products at better prices. Ag is no differently than every other business. The more govt is involved the worse it is for everyone.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (s6X53)
Wheat is already cheaper than it was immediately after the Civil War (adjusted for inflation). How much cheaper do you want it to go?
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:18 PM (s6X53)
Wheat is already cheaper than it was immediately after the Civil War (adjusted for inflation). How much cheaper do you want it to go?
Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 03, 2016 02:41 PM (CmpB+)
325
So are you pleading for the need for government interventions because agriculture is a special case or are you rightly pointing out government shouldn't be allowed to have its sticky corrupt fingers in the cherry pie of agriculture?
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 01:49 PM (3JA/M)
If you get rid of all of what he said, that would be fine.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 03, 2016 01:49 PM (3JA/M)
If you get rid of all of what he said, that would be fine.
Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 03, 2016 02:50 PM (CmpB+)
326
All this discussion would be interesting during the primary, but it is general election time. Hillary or Trump. That is a binary decision.
If Tim is neverTrump, then he is for Hillary replacing Scalia (and probably Ginsburg) on SCOTUS with two 42 year old lock-step progressives. That level of selfishness is disqualifying. Anyone who doesn't support Trump in this election is dead to me and should be Cantor'ed.
If Tim is neverTrump, then he is for Hillary replacing Scalia (and probably Ginsburg) on SCOTUS with two 42 year old lock-step progressives. That level of selfishness is disqualifying. Anyone who doesn't support Trump in this election is dead to me and should be Cantor'ed.
Posted by: tommylotto at August 03, 2016 02:51 PM (A3a8d)
327
Ran to the bank and caught Limbaugh talking about this. I think it's a safe bet that "never trump" positions aren't going to help your vote totals in flyover country. He seemed to think that was the case, and that the GOPe is likely panicked over the result despite the GOPe candidate winning.
And addendum to this post is probably warranted.
And addendum to this post is probably warranted.
Posted by: Orson at August 03, 2016 03:39 PM (pY0li)
328
327 Ran to the bank and caught Limbaugh talking about this. I think it's a safe bet that "never trump" positions aren't going to help your vote totals in flyover country. He seemed to think that was the case, and that the GOPe is likely panicked over the result despite the GOPe candidate winning.
And addendum to this post is probably warranted.
Posted by: Orson at August 03, 2016 03:39 PM (pY0li)
Kansas went for Cruz pretty handily. I'm not sure this Never Trump thing had any effect on the election. More pertinent is pushback for the state government monetary problems and a combination of lies about Huelskamp being a washington insider and the vote against the farm bill.
And addendum to this post is probably warranted.
Posted by: Orson at August 03, 2016 03:39 PM (pY0li)
Kansas went for Cruz pretty handily. I'm not sure this Never Trump thing had any effect on the election. More pertinent is pushback for the state government monetary problems and a combination of lies about Huelskamp being a washington insider and the vote against the farm bill.
Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 03, 2016 04:32 PM (CmpB+)
329
Well, you could be right. But, take a look at the turn-out. 25% I believe in large counties. I think the Cruz people sat it out...and the Trump brigade came out for the primary because:
1. They're jazzed about the elections and motivated.
2. See # 1... especially when someone sticks a finger in their eye.
The election is no longer about candidates. More, apt, it's about revenge. There is no reasoning with hardcore Trump supporters. If you go negative on their false god, they will try to deliver their wrath on you. I still think that's what happened in Kansas. They didn't have a clue what the winning candidate stood for. They just heard the other guy mention Never Trump.
1. They're jazzed about the elections and motivated.
2. See # 1... especially when someone sticks a finger in their eye.
The election is no longer about candidates. More, apt, it's about revenge. There is no reasoning with hardcore Trump supporters. If you go negative on their false god, they will try to deliver their wrath on you. I still think that's what happened in Kansas. They didn't have a clue what the winning candidate stood for. They just heard the other guy mention Never Trump.
Posted by: Orson at August 03, 2016 07:33 PM (FgNdw)
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The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick
Primary Document: The Audio
Paul Anka Haiku Contest Announcement
Integrity SAT's: Entrance Exam for Paul Anka's Band
AllahPundit's Paul Anka 45's Collection
AnkaPundit: Paul Anka Takes Over the Site for a Weekend (Continues through to Monday's postings)
George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer
Paul Anka Haiku Contest Announcement
Integrity SAT's: Entrance Exam for Paul Anka's Band
AllahPundit's Paul Anka 45's Collection
AnkaPundit: Paul Anka Takes Over the Site for a Weekend (Continues through to Monday's postings)
George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer
Top Top Tens
Democratic Forays into Erotica
New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network
Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes
Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse
Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party"
Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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