Overnight Open Thread (8-2-2016)

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Posted by: Maetenloch at 11:03 PM

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1 Aloha!

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 11:03 PM (EzgxV)

2 Thanks be to Maet, for this -- our daily thread.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 11:04 PM (EzgxV)

3 Purrrfect.

Posted by: garrett at August 02, 2016 11:06 PM (TjcfH)

4 No comments about Win10?

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 11:06 PM (EzgxV)

5 This is a trap.

I know it must be a trap.

/paranoia deepens

Posted by: Brother Cavil, That Guy at August 02, 2016 11:06 PM (vyqqu)

6
I could look at those little things all night.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 02, 2016 11:06 PM (5o5ek)

7 Found the kitteh!
Found the kitteh!
Found the kitteh!

Posted by: rickl at August 02, 2016 11:06 PM (sdi6R)

8 Hola all.

Now off to read the content.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 02, 2016 11:07 PM (heN73)

9 I waited up for this?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at August 02, 2016 11:07 PM (sqpGi)

10 Win10 sux!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But then I might be biased...

Posted by: Apple at August 02, 2016 11:07 PM (q7T0y)

11 Evenin' everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 02, 2016 11:07 PM (T/cxb)

12 Confucius say, Ewok who eat carbohydrate tuber is Ace of Spuds.

Posted by: Confucius at August 02, 2016 11:07 PM (DrG2I)

13 The content....it's....it's....killing me.

J/K, and I know Ace one upped ya.

Thanks for the ONT.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 02, 2016 11:07 PM (YLidQ)

14 That middle cat has the CRAZY EYES!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 02, 2016 11:08 PM (zc3Db)

15 Maetenloch,
Thanks for the cute kittens!

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 02, 2016 11:08 PM (eU/yZ)

16 10
Win10 sux!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But then I might be biased...

Posted by: Apple at August 02, 2016 11:07 PM (q7T0y)

I sent Maet an email chock full of enough links about Win10 suckage to compose an ONT out of *hint* *hint*....

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 11:09 PM (EzgxV)

17 The problem with kittens is that they grow up to be cats.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 02, 2016 11:09 PM (4+VII)

18 Which one is the sniper?

Posted by: Darth Randall at August 02, 2016 11:09 PM (6n332)

19 Uh oh we are being punished again....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 02, 2016 11:09 PM (SzZnW)

20 Toxoplasmosis.

The cuteness, it kills.

Posted by: garrett at August 02, 2016 11:09 PM (TjcfH)

21 The problem with kittens is that they grow up to be cats.

You don't love cats?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 02, 2016 11:09 PM (T/cxb)

22 In reference to the fourth link of the post ... I just starting using Kodi. Man, that is pretty amazing. I have no idea where these shows and movies are coming from, but they're awesome.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 02, 2016 11:09 PM (zc3Db)

23 Hola, ONT.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 02, 2016 11:09 PM (9ym/8)

24 5 Posted by: Brother Cavil, That Guy at August 02, 2016 11:06 PM (vyqqu)

It starts with Kittens and the week ends with exclusive pics of Yoko and Grammy....in flagrant delicto

Posted by: sven10077 at August 02, 2016 11:10 PM (SzZnW)

25

Those cute littel kitties, so tiny, so cute, so deadly.
Killers, they are. Predators.

Posted by: Leonia Man at August 02, 2016 11:10 PM (kXWUw)

26 Thanks Catenloch. Kitty kontent.

Posted by: freaked at August 02, 2016 11:10 PM (BO/km)

27 Well, I read the content.

Dumb kitties.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 02, 2016 11:10 PM (9ym/8)

28 18 Which one is the sniper?
Posted by: Darth Randall at August 02, 2016 11:09 PM (6n332)

The kittens are all tied to his ghillie suit.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at August 02, 2016 11:10 PM (0mRoj)

29 rickl:

IIRC, it was you that was touting the Mazda 5 a while back?

We had occasion to rent one last week (out of town helping daughter move), and I 'get' why you were so enthralled. It's like a mini-minivan, very configurable, snappy and decent ride.

Hope you're still enjoying yours.

Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:10 PM (vUcdz)

30 G'night, foax.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 02, 2016 11:10 PM (gUoN4)

31 After reviewing the content carefully, I can say that, while I agree in principle with the main points, some of the details are troublesome and, frankly, quite sexually stimulating.

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 02, 2016 11:11 PM (97XyN)

32 I'll take the little grey.

Posted by: Infidel at August 02, 2016 11:11 PM (nfmuZ)

33 19 Uh oh we are being punished again....
Posted by: sven10077 at August 02, 2016 11:09 PM (SzZnW)

Punished with kittens? I'll take it.

Posted by: rickl at August 02, 2016 11:12 PM (sdi6R)

34 Oh I see it now.

Posted by: freaked at August 02, 2016 11:12 PM (BO/km)

35 Kitties! At the end of a crazy intense day.

Thanks for the ONT Maet!

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 02, 2016 11:12 PM (Z+1Ng)

36 Awwww kitties.
Thanks, Maet!

Posted by: @votermom at August 02, 2016 11:12 PM (7lVbc)

37 This is a trap.

I know it must be a trap.

/paranoia deepens
Posted by: Brother Cavil, That Guy at August 02, 2016 11:06 PM (vyqqu)

It isn't paranoia when Yokopaluza is a thing that exists. I won't be lulled into a false sense of security by an initial pic again.

Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at August 02, 2016 11:12 PM (F9322)

38 the kittens are in plain sight

earlier, the sniper was in plain sight

Its a TRAP!!!!

g'evenin, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 02, 2016 11:12 PM (KCxzN)

39

Everytime I decide that tomorrow I will go buy a new computer, something happens here and I decide, nope not going to spend money on new computer and might get offline completely.

What's wrong with Win10?

This obsolete desktop is incompatible with 99.99% of the internet. Only Ace has software old enough I can still use it here.

Posted by: Leonia Man at August 02, 2016 11:12 PM (kXWUw)

40 night morons, I got a big day tomorrow.

Posted by: donkey at August 02, 2016 11:13 PM (11H2y)

41 I clicked the link fearing some citrus fruit themed party involving hillary but was happy to see just kittens.

Posted by: bananaDream at August 02, 2016 11:13 PM (Ag8Mw)

42 The kittehs are safe. Gotta be careful around this place. The last kitteh picture cruelly linked to the Hillary swimsuit mural. I don't believe CBD even apologized for that assault.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 02, 2016 11:13 PM (R+30W)

43 Publius,
You wouldn't believe what we found in the pool house. Our house was built in the 1920's. The pool house, ranch managers house and the kitchen and bathrooms and the master dressing room have been remodeled.
The pool house is a hundred yards from the main house.
I had the electrician here trying to fix the pool cover switch.
The power coming from the main house to the pool house was in a conduit to the pool house but the wires from the exterior were in the wall with no conduit. In the insulation.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 02, 2016 11:13 PM (eU/yZ)

44 Tufts of fluff. Fluff that seeks you out and purrs loudly.

Until it's too late. And then you're stuck.

Yeah, living with a cat is a lot like being married.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 02, 2016 11:13 PM (AroJD)

45 Succinct.

Posted by: gawntrail at August 02, 2016 11:13 PM (2q13V)

46 London Has Fallen kicks ass.

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at August 02, 2016 11:13 PM (R5HRU)

47 33 Posted by: rickl at August 02, 2016 11:12 PM (sdi6R)

Maet expressed disappointment with the mosh pit....it starts with kittens and end with Yoko licking kittens.

You've been warned

Posted by: sven10077 at August 02, 2016 11:14 PM (SzZnW)

48 Praise be to the Hopper, we got cute fuzzeh kittehs and not another yokopalooza.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 02, 2016 11:14 PM (EpPEW)

49 Cats are wired differently.

I swear she understands half of the words I say, but she will never admit it.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 02, 2016 11:14 PM (4+VII)

50 You don't love cats?
Posted by: Blanco Basura
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Everybody loves cats. They taste just like chicken.

Posted by: Chi at August 02, 2016 11:14 PM (SC4DV)

51 29 rickl:

IIRC, it was you that was touting the Mazda 5 a while back?

We had occasion to rent one last week (out of town helping daughter move), and I 'get' why you were so enthralled. It's like a mini-minivan, very configurable, snappy and decent ride.

Hope you're still enjoying yours.
Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:10 PM (vUcdz)

Yes, I bought a 2014 new, and I've had it for two years now. I've had no problems at all.

If it didn't have sliding rear doors, it would be called a station wagon.

Posted by: rickl at August 02, 2016 11:14 PM (sdi6R)

52 Hey praying morons I'd like to send out a prayer request.

A friend's little boy was just rushed to the hospital from urgent care because they think his hip joint has become septic from a bug bite last week. He went from being a playful little boy to sick to unable to walk all over one day.

Posted by: Lauren at August 02, 2016 11:14 PM (KpRYi)

53 What the...? We must have been good today.

Posted by: t-bird at August 02, 2016 11:14 PM (mxCgt)

54 39 Posted by: Leonia Man at August 02, 2016 11:12 PM (kXWUw)

Win 10 is a very good OS with a very bad EULA....

if you are a content creator you may run into problems with Microshaft "owning your work"

Posted by: sven10077 at August 02, 2016 11:15 PM (SzZnW)

55 As God is my witness, I'll never be upstaged by pussy again!

Posted by: Yoko Ono at August 02, 2016 11:15 PM (97XyN)

56 Hey everybody.

I invited someone I've been chatting with on FB for a while now to join us tonight. Let's see if he's here in a few minutes...

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 11:15 PM (q7T0y)

57 Publius,
I saw you talking about wiring in the last thread. The contractor that did the pool house did a shitty job. The previous owners did things piecemeal.
I had the electrician check everything. Everything else was fine. A couple minor (no safety hazards) things he found and fixed.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 02, 2016 11:15 PM (eU/yZ)

58 Working title: Kittehs After Yokopalooza

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 02, 2016 11:16 PM (OF/aZ)

59 I know someone whose passion is to rescue cats. She has 40+ cats in a shitty little home, even though she and her husband are quite well off.

Their house smells hideous and makes me want to puke everytime I enter. They have a shit ton of kittens.

The point is, kittens are unsanitary. They are often smeared in their own feces and stink to high heaven.

Posted by: Yuimetal at August 02, 2016 11:16 PM (DrG2I)

60 Everybody loves cats. They taste just like chicken.

Heh. Not the same punchline, but pretty much the same joke.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 02, 2016 11:16 PM (T/cxb)

61 Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 11:15 PM (q7T0y)
Are they as nice as you?

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 02, 2016 11:16 PM (eU/yZ)

62
What's wrong with Win10?

-----------------------

For the most part, it works just fine for me, but I had to do a bunch of tedious manipulations to get my internet to not run at speeds of 14,000 baud dialup. Also, I think it broke Camtasia.

I' gonna get a Windows 10 for Dummies book so I can plumb its depths and explore its wonders.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 02, 2016 11:16 PM (5o5ek)

63 This obsolete desktop is incompatible with 99.99% of the internet. Only Ace has software old enough I can still use it here.
Posted by: Leonia Man at August 02, 2016 11:12 PM (kXWUw)

I would say that the software here is so obsolete that an Apple II would have no problem running it but given the TB3K manifested as its own conscious poster and then went to town I fear the Hamsters running the Pixyware might do the same.

And hamsters can bite ~hard~.

Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at August 02, 2016 11:16 PM (F9322)

64 Made my Chihuahua watch "The Wild Bunch" last night. Kept threatening him. Didn't do any good

Posted by: jfalcon@yahoo.com at August 02, 2016 11:17 PM (sjBWi)

65 #22

KODI / TVMC is the best. Everyone should be using it.

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at August 02, 2016 11:17 PM (g25eo)

66 Prayers up, Lauren

Posted by: @votermom at August 02, 2016 11:17 PM (7lVbc)

67 CaliGirl, it's a guy named Emmanuel who says he's dealing with a lot of bullshit from SJWs at his college campus in Santa Ana, California.

I invited him over, told him how to get here and start commenting. Hope he shows.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 11:17 PM (q7T0y)

68
The point is, kittens are unsanitary. They are often smeared in their own feces and stink to high heaven.

Posted by: Yuimetal at August 02, 2016 11:16 PM (DrG2I)
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Well, FORTY kittens is unsanitary. And unsanity.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 02, 2016 11:17 PM (5o5ek)

69 Kittehs, you fucking heathen.

Show some respect.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 02, 2016 11:17 PM (k2Hcx)

70 but the wires from the exterior were in the wall with no conduit. In the insulation.

?! Seems normal to me. Is that not allowed in the latest codes?

Posted by: t-bird at August 02, 2016 11:17 PM (mxCgt)

71 This obsolete desktop is incompatible with 99.99% of the internet. Only Ace has software old enough I can still use it here.
Posted by: Leonia Man at August 02, 2016 11:12 PM (kXWUw)

****

Win 10 gives Mr. Softie the keys to your personal Kingdom.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 02, 2016 11:17 PM (YLidQ)

72 52 Hey praying morons I'd like to send out a prayer request.
A friend's little boy was just rushed to the hospital from urgent care because they think his hip joint has become septic from a bug bite last week. He went from being a playful little boy to sick to unable to walk all over one day.
Posted by: Lauren at August 02, 2016 11:14 PM (

Done Lauren.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 02, 2016 11:17 PM (EpPEW)

73
Well, that's not Yoko!

+1

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 02, 2016 11:17 PM (BK3ZS)

74 "We must have been good today."

Um, yeah. "Good." We can go with that.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 02, 2016 11:17 PM (9ym/8)

75 I love cats!
But I can't eat a whole one

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 02, 2016 11:18 PM (+b2T3)

76 The kittens are adorable but painful for me right now. I am having a feral mother cat and her five kittens trapped and removed (humanely of course) so that they can be relocated. Our vet says the kittens (4-5 months old) and the mother are too old to be rehabilitated and adopted (they are utterly feral and the mother is actually dangerous to us and our pets because she's so aggressive). He also says spaying/neutering would cost them the edge they need to survive in the wild. I don't really know about that last part but he's a 30-year country vet so I have to trust him. My wife is very upset and I have to admit I'm bummin pretty hard about having to do it. Nature is really hard sometimes.

Posted by: Blacksheep at August 02, 2016 11:18 PM (bS6uW)

77 Thanks, votermom. I can't even imagine how terrified my friend must be. And from a freaking bug bite of all things.

Posted by: Lauren at August 02, 2016 11:18 PM (KpRYi)

78 51 rickl

It was a fluke that we ended up with it: reserved a "compact" (Corolla or Civic), got the 5, were quite impressed.

And yeah, the sliding doors are what made us think of it as a mini minivan

Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:18 PM (vUcdz)

79
Everytime I decide that tomorrow I will go buy a new
computer, something happens here and I decide, nope not going to spend
money on new computer and might get offline completely.

What's wrong with Win10?

This obsolete desktop is incompatible with 99.99% of the internet. Only Ace has software old enough I can still use it here.

Posted by: Leonia Man at August 02, 2016 11:12 PM (kXWUw)

As long as you can use it at AoS..... and Xhamster, there's nothing else a growing Moron needs.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 02, 2016 11:18 PM (LuZz8)

80 Lets par-tay!

Posted by: Ticks and Fleas at August 02, 2016 11:18 PM (zUIph)

81 43:
Back in the '20s, "knob and tube" was the standard. This was pretty much open wires (insulated, of course, with old timey insulation) mounted on porcelain insulators and open splices (insulated).

You'd see this stuff in attics and walls. Very old timey. There is still some of it around.

Put "knob and tube wiring" in Google and look at some of the images. Does that look like anything you've seen?

I'm thinking a pool was likely much later than when this was used.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 11:18 PM (DW+jj)

82 This is teh suck.

Posted by: Corona at August 02, 2016 11:19 PM (ragzU)

83 25

Those cute littel kitties, so tiny, so cute, so deadly.

Killers, they are. Predators.

Posted by: Leonia Man at August 02, 2016 11:10 PM (kXWUw)

I'm reminded of the San Francisco Christmas tiger attack -- https://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/San_Francisco_Zoo_tiger_attacks . The Dhaliwal brothers got to experience the terror of being potential prey for a cat that had already killed their friend.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 11:19 PM (EzgxV)

84 Yeah, living with a cat is a lot like being married. So, cats bitch at you, criticize and complain? Well then no cats for me.

Posted by: CMU VET at August 02, 2016 11:19 PM (ejB0r)

85 London Has Fallen kicks ass.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at August 02, 2016 11:13 PM (R5HRU)

Agreed. Picked it up last week after seeing some of the Horde speak well of it and enjoyed it rather a lot.

Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at August 02, 2016 11:19 PM (F9322)

86 The new cuddly Maet?

Anyway woot woot ONT

Posted by: Mis. Hum. at August 02, 2016 11:19 PM (voOPb)

87 Emmanuel, are you out there? This is the guy you were just chatting with at FB. Leave a comment!! :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 11:19 PM (q7T0y)

88 Do Kenyans only eat dogs or do they nibble on kitties too?

Posted by: ajmojo at August 02, 2016 11:19 PM (Kq7yc)

89 In 40 years one of those kittens will be married to a candidate for POTUS (and you'll be disgusting pervert if you find that weird) , and this pic will be used to...I dunno...help? hurt? his campaign.

Posted by: major major major major at August 02, 2016 11:20 PM (sW9iC)

90 39

Everytime I decide that tomorrow I will go buy a new computer,
something happens here and I decide, nope not going to spend money on
new computer and might get offline completely.

What's wrong with Win10?

This obsolete desktop is incompatible with 99.99% of the internet. Only Ace has software old enough I can still use it here.

Posted by: Leonia Man at August 02, 2016 11:12 PM (kXWUw)

Run Linux Mint and don't look back.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 11:20 PM (EzgxV)

91 Do Kenyans only eat dogs or do they nibble on kitties too?
Posted by: ajmojo

Just dog. But I love eating kitty.

Posted by: Hillary! (Pandering, Drunk or both?) at August 02, 2016 11:20 PM (UPYhp)

92 >>>No comments about Win10?

Well, it does suck cock in hell

Posted by: Mis. Hum. at August 02, 2016 11:20 PM (voOPb)

93
Rectum? Damn near killed 'em!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 02, 2016 11:20 PM (BK3ZS)

94 Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 11:17 PM (q7T0y)
I hope he shows.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 02, 2016 11:21 PM (eU/yZ)

95 Let the monkey see you slaughter the chicken.

Posted by: Old Chinese Saying at August 02, 2016 11:21 PM (4+VII)

96 nobody talking about the iran hostage deal?

Posted by: Avi at August 02, 2016 11:21 PM (wwH1X)

97 CaliGirl, me too.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 11:21 PM (q7T0y)

98 44
Tufts of fluff. Fluff that seeks you out and purrs loudly.

Until it's too late. And then you're stuck.

Yeah, living with a cat is a lot like being married.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 02, 2016 11:13 PM (AroJD)

That's just your cat.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 11:21 PM (EzgxV)

99 Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 11:17 PM (q7T0y)
I hope he shows.

Did you tell him about the pants?

Posted by: freaked at August 02, 2016 11:22 PM (BO/km)

100 Did anyone else fear what else would show up when you hit comment? Like nude Yoko Ono?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 02, 2016 11:22 PM (39g3+)

101 nobody talking about the iran hostage deal?
Posted by: Avi at August 02, 2016 11:21 PM (wwH1X)

***

Yes, last two threads.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 02, 2016 11:22 PM (YLidQ)

102 What a bunch of pussies.

Very cute pussies.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 02, 2016 11:22 PM (EZebt)

103 Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 11:09 PM (EzgxV)

Keep it up sunshine and we are all going to pay

Posted by: Mis. Hum. at August 02, 2016 11:22 PM (voOPb)

104 nobody talking about the iran hostage deal?

-------------------------

Old news.
Done deal.
Money has already been spent.

Posted by: Leonia Man at August 02, 2016 11:22 PM (kXWUw)

105 freaked, LOL.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 11:22 PM (q7T0y)

106 Is it just me, or do all those little furballs look like alien offspring? They're really not cute and harmless...

Posted by: dogman at August 02, 2016 11:23 PM (e9nRl)

107 Run Linux Mint and don't look back.

Seconded.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 02, 2016 11:23 PM (T/cxb)

108 Posted by: Blacksheep at August 02, 2016 11:18 PM (bS6uW)

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That's a huge bummer, and I don't think the part about spaying/neutering is right if they're released in the right place. Me and my droogs have been feeding a trio of feral cats that were caught, neutered, and released back to the same alley they were caught in and they've been there for about 4 years living well thanks to the care of many attentive humans. I really don't like the idea of the girls having litter after litter after litter.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 02, 2016 11:23 PM (5o5ek)

109 Our vet says the kittens (4-5 months old) and the mother are too old to be rehabilitated and adopted

We had several like that. They never became lapcats, but I wouldn't say that made them "un-rehabilitated".

Posted by: t-bird at August 02, 2016 11:23 PM (9mTYi)

110 Yeah they're cute now, but they grow up into cats and wait around for you to die so they can eat your corpse.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2016 11:23 PM (0mRoj)

111 "Yeah, living with a cat is a lot like being married."

Not anti-cat at all, but a dog will let you know when you farked up. Sit, stare, grumble. Then you realize water or dinner or need to go outside.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 02, 2016 11:23 PM (9ym/8)

112 96 Posted by: Avi at August 02, 2016 11:21 PM (wwH1X)

What the hell is there to say?

Urkle is a feckless traitor undoing ~110 years of foreign policy strength and the GOP will do dick about it.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 02, 2016 11:24 PM (SzZnW)

113 Prayers up Lauren.

Also if you kneemailers of the vast horde mentioned the newly.departed Matthew in your musings that would be good too.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 02, 2016 11:24 PM (k2Hcx)

114 Kittens vs Yoko? Yoko was sort of cute as a kid. Then she got older.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 02, 2016 11:24 PM (IqV8l)

115 There's a difference between "wire" and "cable". By wire, one means a single insulated conductor. A cable, such as "romex" (this was a brand) name is a cable, with two or more "wires" enclosed in a sheath, which makes a cable. The proper term is "non-metallic sheathed cable", NM-B being the type designator. NM-C is another standard. UF underground cable meets the NM-C standard, but it is different from the underground direct burial standard for cable. But all UF cable meets it.

This is what goes through walls. The rules for when you can use romex, vs when conduit (of various kinds) much be used get complicated. Basically, for wood frame houses with no open wiring, you use romex. If it's going to be exposed (with some exceptions), you should use conduit.

Open romex looks jack-legged anyway. Now, another jack leg sign is romex through conduit.

Knob and tube was the old standard by which "wires" were run in the open, not in cable or conduit.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 11:24 PM (DW+jj)

116 Good evening everyone!

It's official, I'm on the road. I made it as far as Gallup before calling it a day. I'll try to make it to Barstow tomorrow.

Thanks to everyone who came out on Saturday to send me off. I had a great time.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 02, 2016 11:24 PM (+kikw)

117 Oooo, Barstow!! ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 11:25 PM (q7T0y)

118 Knob and tube. Sounds dirty.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2016 11:25 PM (0mRoj)

119 nobody talking about the iran hostage deal?
Posted by: Avi

Everything that's old is new again. What's Gorbachev's take on the matter?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 02, 2016 11:25 PM (UPYhp)

120 Put "knob and tube wiring" in Google and look at some of the images. Does that look like anything you've seen?

I'm thinking a pool was likely much later than when this was used.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 11:18 PM (DW+jj)

May I suggest doing that in Safe Search mode?

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 02, 2016 11:26 PM (JO9+V)

121 116 Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 02, 2016 11:24 PM (+kikw)

Be safe, I will be taking the Silver Stallion Crown Vic to Ohio later this week....

smiley side up and rubber side down

Posted by: sven10077 at August 02, 2016 11:26 PM (SzZnW)

122 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 11:18 PM (DW+jj)
Yes, I have that stuff in the bunkhouse that's falling down. The pool house was remodeled maybe 25 years ago. I'm surprised it didn't burn down.
The old parts of my house are wired well but the conduit the wires are in are hard, they don't move. And the walls are plaster. We've talked about this before. I wanted the electrician to change the fuse boxes to switches from the glass light bulb type fuses but I don't want to cut the plaster walls.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 02, 2016 11:26 PM (eU/yZ)

123 Dogs are too needy.

Cats are too aloof.

There is nothing in between.

There are no pets on Malcandra.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 02, 2016 11:26 PM (4+VII)

124 "Oooo, Barstow!! ;-)"

Nobody says that. Normally need to take a poop and find something, anything, worth eating.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 02, 2016 11:27 PM (9ym/8)

125
They're coming -- the NFL season and winter! To get you in the mood, here are Eagles fans throwing snowballs at a Steelers fan -

https://youtu.be/BC0iN4zxbTQ

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 02, 2016 11:27 PM (BK3ZS)

126 We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2016 11:27 PM (0mRoj)

127
but the wires from the exterior were in the wall with no conduit. In the insulation.

?! Seems normal to me. Is that not allowed in the latest codes?

Posted by: t-bird at August 02, 2016 11:17 PM (mxCgt)

If it's Romex, it might be fine. Might. I'd have to check the NEMA book to be sure.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 02, 2016 11:27 PM (LuZz8)

128 Boy, ya'll are just dirty minded people. You know me, ne'er a dirty thought ever crosses my mind, and I'm just shocked, shocked at you people. Strange, there was a loud clap of thunder when I typed that.....

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 11:27 PM (DW+jj)

129 Run Linux Mint and don't look back.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 11:20 PM (EzgxV)

Might even run on an antique PC.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 02, 2016 11:28 PM (wYnyS)

130 **Top 5 All-Time Least Popular Google Searches**

5. Cher + singing lessons

4. North Korea + fine cuisine

3. Lena Dunham + bikini

2. Joe Biden + mankini

1. Barrel + pron

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 11:28 PM (q7T0y)

131 this kitten thread got really shitty.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 02, 2016 11:28 PM (KP5rU)

132 Feminists, Have a Cigar

Blithely talking about "depopulating" and then "repopulating" whilst replacing the underlying ideologies may seem what an academic claims is the view of some eeevil White colonialist, but in fact it the rallying cry of Feminist Professor Jane M. Ussher's paper "Sexing the Phallocentric Pages of Psychology: Repopulation is Not Enough".

We have asked Sigmund Freud, who has been lured back from the dead with cocaine laced cigars, to give us his opinion on this Feminist's work:

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=12209

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 02, 2016 11:28 PM (vBeA5)

133 Kittens are adorable...giving me the warm and fuzzies

Posted by: IC at August 02, 2016 11:29 PM (nf8U0)

134 117
Oooo, Barstow!! ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 11:25 PM (q7T0y)

You know you've made something of your life when you hit Barstow, that's for sure.....

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 11:29 PM (EzgxV)

135 @108 - Had the same thought but that line of thinking only works (or so says the vet) if, as in your example, you release them back where they were in the first place (which isn't tenable in my case because that's my back patio). The theory is that areas likely to accumulate ferals will fill back up to max capacity in short order and that the neutereds will dilute future breeding. These cats showed up after a flood from God knows where and won't go away; there have never been any other ferals before them. Therefore, they should be released elsewhere (the state park is the likely destination) to make what they will of life. I'd be lying if I said it didn't hurt to do this.

Posted by: Blacksheep at August 02, 2016 11:29 PM (bS6uW)

136 Ricardo, I know. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 11:29 PM (q7T0y)

137
I'll try to make it to Barstow tomorrow.

Be prepared to listen to trains in the switching yards all night long. I actually enjoyed it.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 02, 2016 11:29 PM (BK3ZS)

138 >> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold.

Should have taken more and just stayed home.

Posted by: garrett at August 02, 2016 11:29 PM (TjcfH)

139 "Oooo, Barstow!! ;-)"
Nobody says that. Normally need to take a poop and find something, anything, worth eating.

I said it, once. It was when I saw Barstow in the rear view mirror.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 02, 2016 11:30 PM (T/cxb)

140 We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold.
Posted by: Insomniac

Not here you fool! This is bat country1

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 02, 2016 11:30 PM (UPYhp)

141 Barstow is not the edge of the desert. It is smack-dab in the middle of the desert.

Unless you are Hunter Thompson and you are driving to Vegas and the drugs are kicking in. Just hope you have a driver.

Please, take the exit at ZYZYX Road.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 02, 2016 11:30 PM (4+VII)

142 No, sir, I do not bite my thumb at you, sir, but I
bite my thumb, sir.

Do you quarrel, sir?

Quarrel sir! no, sir.

If you do, sir, I am for you: I serve as good a man as you.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 02, 2016 11:30 PM (e8kgV)

143 cthulhu, yup.

"Lemme see, can I afford gas *and* some fast food??" :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 11:30 PM (q7T0y)

144 121 sven

Approximately where in Ohio are you headed?

Not being nosy, just wondered if would be anywhere near Dayton.

Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:30 PM (vUcdz)

145 " this kitten thread got really shitty."

You should have seen it before they changed the litter box.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 02, 2016 11:31 PM (9ym/8)

146 78 51 rickl

It was a fluke that we ended up with it: reserved a "compact" (Corolla or Civic), got the 5, were quite impressed.

And yeah, the sliding doors are what made us think of it as a mini minivan
Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:18 PM (vUcdz)

That's what I call it, too.

Alas, the manual transmission option was discontinued after 2014, so I got one of the last ones. And the Mazda 5 was discontinued altogether in the U.S. market after 2015. It's still manufactured and sold in Asia and Europe. I'm not sure about Canada. But there are a dozen different minivans available in the U.S., and it never really caught on here.

Posted by: rickl at August 02, 2016 11:31 PM (sdi6R)

147 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 11:24 PM (DW+jj)
I'll take a pic of that knob wiring in the bunkhouse. I don't understand the electric stuff.
The electrician had to cut the drywall and put the wires in a conduit. He told me the inspector did a bad job or it wasn't inspected.
The wires I'm talking about were the ones the go in the fuse box. It really scared me. He told me that it was dangerous that if there were a spark the house would have caught fire.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 02, 2016 11:31 PM (eU/yZ)

148 There is and In-N-Out in Barstow.

Love the grilled onions.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 02, 2016 11:31 PM (4+VII)

149 I've looked up the Zzyzx exit.

There's a desert life biology lab there owned by the CSU system, and nothing else.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 11:31 PM (q7T0y)

150
It's official, I'm on the road. I made it as far as Gallup before calling it a day.

Is that where the Poles live?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 02, 2016 11:31 PM (IqV8l)

151
When in Barstow, go to the factory outlet mall, and eat at the panda express.

Ok, that was twenty years ago, and things might have changed.

Posted by: Leonia Man at August 02, 2016 11:31 PM (kXWUw)

152 You know you've made something of your life when you hit Barstow, that's for sure.....

Hit it with what? A crude fusion bomb?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 02, 2016 11:31 PM (T/cxb)

153 Blanco, when Vegas is in the horizon... ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 11:32 PM (q7T0y)

154 126 We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2016 11:27 PM (0mRoj

Fear and Loathing.....

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 02, 2016 11:32 PM (Z+1Ng)

155 Be prepared to listen to trains in the switching yards all night long. I actually enjoyed it.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 02, 2016 11:29 PM (BK3ZS)

*****

And be sure to enjoy Mepos along the way.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 02, 2016 11:32 PM (YLidQ)

156 Kill, marry, fuck?

Posted by: BuckIV at August 02, 2016 11:32 PM (CLfqv)

157 125 Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 02, 2016 11:27 PM (BK3ZS)

.......

.......

.........

Posted by: sven10077 at August 02, 2016 11:32 PM (SzZnW)

158 Another type of cable they sometimes used, in fact, that 100 yr old great-uncle of mine's house was originally wired in it is "BX" or metallic sheathed cable, steel. They make an aluminum sheathed version now.

That will look metallic flex conduit at first blush. This stuff can be run exposed (but it looks sort of trashy and jack-legged again -- you just can't beat a good EMT job for looks for exposed wiring).

There was even some crazy type of cable known as "MI", mineral insulated. You had bare conductors inside a "mineral" insulating material, wrapped in a metallic sheath. They made special things for junction boxes and terminations, little sheaths that fit over the bare wires, and tighten down on the end of the cable for a junction box or other termination fit. It would look like normal insulated conductors coming in the box when done right.

I forget what it was used for, but that was an art form of cable.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 11:33 PM (DW+jj)

159 Barstow is not...good.

Stop in Pahrump and play some slots instead.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 02, 2016 11:33 PM (EZebt)

160
When in Barstow, go to the factory outlet mall, and eat at the panda express.

Looks like panda is back on the menu, boys!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 02, 2016 11:33 PM (BK3ZS)

161 "Ricardo, I know. :-)"

*winks.......knowing nod"

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 02, 2016 11:33 PM (9ym/8)

162 We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a saltshaker half-full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls. Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2016 11:33 PM (0mRoj)

163 Stop in Pahrump and play some slots instead.

And say hello to Art Bell!

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 11:34 PM (q7T0y)

164 I run a Windows 10 machine and a Linux Mint 18 machine at home. They share folders and also connect to a separate 4 TB drive.

I like them both. I've disabled the onerous features of Windows 10 and find it to be fast and stable. Much better than Windows 8.1 and even better than Windows 7.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at August 02, 2016 11:34 PM (nvMvs)

165 144 Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:30 PM (vUcdz)

Almost precisely to dayton....

I will be in Fairborn, across the street from Wright State.

ie "Home"

Posted by: sven10077 at August 02, 2016 11:34 PM (SzZnW)

166 Kill, marry, fuck?

Posted by: BuckIV

Does it have to be in that order?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 02, 2016 11:34 PM (UPYhp)

167 146 rickl

I recall that the stick was one of the primary criteria for you.

I miss mine

Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:34 PM (vUcdz)

168 damn, i don't hate cats or anything, but, they do leave an odor. i don't trust em.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 02, 2016 11:34 PM (KP5rU)

169 As usual, I would've been first, except that I stopped to read the post.

And go "d'aaawwwww" for half an hour.

Posted by: mindful webworker - kitteh! kitteh! kitteh! at August 02, 2016 11:35 PM (5a8XA)

170 It's official, I'm on the road. I made it as far as Gallup before calling it a day. I'll try to make it to Barstow tomorrow.

Almost forgot to say "Good call!" getting off of 40 for the night in Gallup. Not sure if it's still true, but they used to have problem with people getting likkered up and wandering on to the interstate around there.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 02, 2016 11:36 PM (T/cxb)

171 We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2016 11:27 PM (0mRoj)

Best opening line to a book ever.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 02, 2016 11:36 PM (heN73)

172 i don't hate cats or anything, but, they do leave an odor
------------------------

They do have a behavior called 'scent marking'. Upholstered furniture is a favorite target.

Posted by: Leonia Man at August 02, 2016 11:36 PM (kXWUw)

173 I've got IBM on XPpro and Laptop on 7. I've saved all the help notes I could find from the good folks here and as soon as I get organized I'm loading Mint into that XP/IBM and give it a go. I think it will be later for me and MicroCorporatistSoft.

Posted by: gNewt......don't like Ryan.....better call Paul....Nehlen, that is...._ at August 02, 2016 11:37 PM (7+uJ1)

174 @109 - I should add the feral mother is menacing anyone who goes outside (hissing, spitting, clawing, etc., it must be the kitten defense mode kicking in), and fighting non-stop with our cat through the glass. She's really aggressive. She's got to go, unfortunately.

As for the kittens? No idea. If I neutered them and they could get adopted then great. But if not they'll be euthanized. It seems to me that a shot at life in the wild is better than no chance at all.

I don't know, no good options at this point.

Posted by: Blacksheep at August 02, 2016 11:37 PM (bS6uW)

175 Barstow is where I usually stop for the night when driving from Colorado. It's only a couple of hours the next day over to LA.

Also, Bebe, Gushka and I are discussing a possible game night this weekend.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 02, 2016 11:37 PM (+kikw)

176 Every now and then, we learn that one of our vices, if not transmutated to a virtue, at least wasn't a vice after all. In my case, it would be flossing, which I have never bothered to do, mostly because I am lazy.

So while other and sundry were popping and snapping and tugging at the stuff, I just felt neglectful. Anyhow:

"A Big Problem With Flossing":
http://preview.tinyurl.com/j9rbnec

Montana floss farmers hardest hit.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 02, 2016 11:37 PM (9mTYi)

177 If you're interested, look up Type MI cable. Copper clad, magnesium oxide powder insulation, packed in around bare copper conductors.

It is quite fire resistant, and is used in critical applications. It's also used in nuclear reactor wiring, I see. It's resistant to hard radiation. But it very NON-resistant to vibration and movement. That will mess up the "packed powder" insulation.

It's also expensive and time consuming to work with.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 11:37 PM (DW+jj)

178 I just got home so did not get to post on the awesome thread. But I'd like to share this, it's awesome.

Today I attended the Change of Command ceremony for the 82d Airborne Division.

In the speeches they a used the term Global War on Terror. There was no mistaking what business they were in. It was protecting the United States from the bad guys. And they knew who they were.

Where the rubber meets the road, at the pointy end of the spear, those guys get it and aren't mired in a fog of Newspeak.

I sleep more soundly tonight.

Posted by: blaster at August 02, 2016 11:38 PM (2Ocf1)

179 yeah, that scent really never leaves. fuckers.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 02, 2016 11:38 PM (KP5rU)

180 165 sven

Nice.

I'm in Centerville, so maybe 20 minutes away. If you're going to be here a while, maybe grab a coffee (or a beer).

Real email is in link in nic (well, at site) if that appeals.

Either way, safe travels.

Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:38 PM (vUcdz)

181
*sprays into the USB port*

Posted by: Mike Hammer's Cat at August 02, 2016 11:40 PM (9mTYi)

182 Caligirl, the picture in my mind of what you're describing is some jack-leg ran normal conductors through conduit out to the pool house (like THHN, which is one that is widely used), then just pulled that THHN straight through the walls.

That is indeed very bad. Not good.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 11:40 PM (DW+jj)

183 "I've looked up the Zzyzx exit.

There's a desert life biology lab there owned by the CSU system, and nothing else.

Posted by: qdpsteve"

hahahaha! I remember passing that exit last year on our trip out west and thinking WTF?

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 02, 2016 11:41 PM (w+Jhj)

184 *sprays into the USB port*

**Huffs Deeply**

Posted by: Gerald Broflovsky at August 02, 2016 11:41 PM (TjcfH)

185
"A Big Problem With Flossing":
http://preview.tinyurl.com/j9rbnec

They're prepping us for the British dental system.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 02, 2016 11:41 PM (IqV8l)

186
Colorado Alex in Exile, when you reach Needles, CA, give sone thought to stopping at Gus's Really Good Fresh Jerky.
All kinds, all good!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 02, 2016 11:41 PM (BK3ZS)

187 Montana floss farmers hardest hit.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

Yup. Used to be the floss fields stretched as far as the eye could see. Now it's all gone to fallow. Sad really.

Posted by: Montana Floss Farmer at August 02, 2016 11:41 PM (UPYhp)

188 Tim Huelskamp lost his primary.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at August 02, 2016 11:41 PM (cbW3l)

189 I sleep more soundly tonight.
Posted by: blaster

----------

*?*

You were at Ft. Bagg?

Posted by: Mike Hammer's Cat at August 02, 2016 11:41 PM (9mTYi)

190 >>>Montana floss farmers hardest hit.

Not going to be a tycoon

Posted by: Mis. Hum. at August 02, 2016 11:41 PM (voOPb)

191 Zzyzx has an interesting history. It may be a CSU facility now, but it was stolen fair and square by the government.

It was started by a flamboyant promoter of remedies and founder of a facility for the down and out. Truly stolen from him.

I have never been there, but have seen its location from the Soda Lake. You can't drive there from the lakebed though, they will bust you.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at August 02, 2016 11:41 PM (TnUKj)

192
i don't hate cats or anything, but, they do leave an odor. i don't trust em.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 02, 2016 11:34 PM (KP5rU)
-------------------

Waht? Trust is irrelevant with nonprimate mammal specieses. Do you think cats plot and scheme against you? That they're ready to betray you in some serious way?

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 02, 2016 11:42 PM (5o5ek)

193 Posted by: Blacksheep at August 02, 2016 11:37 PM (bS6uW)
Look to see if there is a feral rescue group in your area. They will trap them for you. They will want to release them in your yard though.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 02, 2016 11:42 PM (eU/yZ)

194 So, little slice of life from last night. I live a couple of blocks from a major thoroughfare. Last night, about quarter of ten, lights went out for about 30 seconds, then came back on at half -- a brownout. I called the local PD (the PD and the power company are both departments of the local government), and they said, "yeah, we've got procedures to pass along your report." Around midnight, I decide to walk to the fire station (easily walkable) to ask if they had any info. Nobody answered. When I got back to the house, the half-power had turned to no power.

So, hangin' around the darkened streetcorner , some neighbors show up. Everyone to my south and my west is dark; everything to my north or east is fine.

I finally decide to schlep down to the reputed problem and find fire guys and power guys all doing their thing. Evidently, a power line had fallen onto a shipping container filled with paper and lit some of it. A collection of engineering drawings, some dating back 100 years, that an engineering company had been trying to negotiate more than the $55,000 that the city had offered.....was about 50% incinerated or water-damaged.

Power came on shortly thereafter, then went off again -- then on, then off.... This is particularly bad for me because I'm on CPAP. It finally went on for good around 5 AM, and the fiancee looked out for me and didn't wake me at 7 AM. So my hours are all screwed but I'm reasonably functional.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 11:42 PM (EzgxV)

195 No discussion of cat pee is complete without the following:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2GIiOsuDRFk

Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2016 11:42 PM (0mRoj)

196
"I've looked up the Zzyzx exit.
There's a desert life biology lab there owned by the CSU system, and nothing else.
Posted by: qdpsteve"

That used to be home to Curtis Springer.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 02, 2016 11:43 PM (IqV8l)

197 180 Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:38 PM (vUcdz)

I will if time permits. If not I will the next trip swear.

I am visiting my sister who has early onset dementia, and my mother's family up in Troy.

If time permits instead of coffee maybe we can meet at Young's?

I never realized you were a fellow SW Ohioan on the other platform, nor here.

Sincerely I'll be in touch.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 02, 2016 11:43 PM (SzZnW)

198 192: uh yeah.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 02, 2016 11:43 PM (KP5rU)

199 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 11:40 PM (DW+jj)
The electrician told me it was bad. Not up to code. It wasn't grounded either. The pool house!!!

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 02, 2016 11:44 PM (eU/yZ)

200 162 We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a saltshaker half-full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls. Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2016 11:33 PM (0mRoj)

Sounds like a Pledge Keg party with a one of the sister WASPY sororities of the week in the 90's.

In other words just another Wednesday night for 19 year old WASPY kids investing their parents money for the weekend to come.

Now Facebook and safe spaces.

I wonder what Hunter S Thompson's take on American culture right now would be?

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 02, 2016 11:44 PM (Z+1Ng)

201 Do you think cats plot and scheme against you? That they're ready to betray you in some serious way?
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle
--------------

Yes

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 02, 2016 11:44 PM (9mTYi)

202 A stray momma cat had her kittens under our porch a couple of years ago. A big cardboard box, a bowl of tuna, a stick and a string leading under the door was all it took to get all of them in one fell swoop.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 02, 2016 11:44 PM (w+Jhj)

203 You know who cute as a kitten?

Tim Huelskamp

What's even cuter?

Tim Huelskamp getting primaried.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 02, 2016 11:45 PM (P/kVC)

204 188 Tim Huelskamp lost his primary.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at August 02, 2016 11:41 PM (

That is awesome. Paul Ryan is next.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 02, 2016 11:46 PM (Z+1Ng)

205 And I'm off to bed. Have fun ya'll.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 02, 2016 11:46 PM (w+Jhj)

206 197 sven

No worries. And I haven't been to Young's in forever - be fun to get a cone and see the goats (that sounds....off).

Sorry to hear about your sister. Have a close friend whose early 50's wife was diagnosed with that a couple years back.

Truly sad.

Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:46 PM (vUcdz)

207 148
There is and In-N-Out in Barstow.

Love the grilled onions.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 02, 2016 11:31 PM (4+VII)

Double-double, mustard-grilled, grilled onions only......

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 11:47 PM (EzgxV)

208 I wonder what Hunter S Thompson's take on American culture right now would be?
Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 02, 2016 11:44 PM (Z+1Ng)

He was such a weird dude I don't really know. I think the pussification and hypersensitivity would not sit well with him, though.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2016 11:47 PM (0mRoj)

209 #165

Nice.

I'm in Centerville, so maybe 20 minutes away. If you're going to be here a while, maybe grab a coffee (or a beer).

Real email is in link in nic (well, at site) if that appeals.

Either way, safe travels.
======================

Heh. I grew up in Centerville.

Posted by: mrp at August 02, 2016 11:47 PM (JBggj)

210
Do you think cats plot and scheme against you? That they're ready to betray you in some serious way?
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle
--------------

Yes
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 02, 2016 11:44 PM (9mTYi)
-------------------------------

I didn't mean you. Of COURSE they're scheming against *you.*

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 02, 2016 11:47 PM (5o5ek)

211 197 sven

Oh, forgot: I'm the guy who's organized the SW Ohio MoMe's, so yeah

Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:47 PM (vUcdz)

212 Hi Robert, G'night Robert.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 02, 2016 11:47 PM (9mTYi)

213 Yay, kittay!

Posted by: sinalco at August 02, 2016 11:49 PM (yODqO)

214 Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 11:47 PM (EzgxV)
I love in and out burger.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 02, 2016 11:49 PM (eU/yZ)

215
uh yeah.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 02, 2016 11:43 PM (KP5rU)
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Okay. They're causing global warming.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 02, 2016 11:49 PM (5o5ek)

216
Heh. I grew up in Centerville.
Posted by: mrp at August 02, 2016 11:47 PM

A real nice place to raise your kids up.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 02, 2016 11:49 PM (IqV8l)

217 204 Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 02, 2016 11:46 PM (Z+1Ng)

Not Awesome.....this was Paul Ryan beating Huelskamp....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 02, 2016 11:49 PM (SzZnW)

218 @193 - Thanks CaliGirl. I did exactly that, and that's what they said they would do, release them back in my yard. But I have a 90 pound German Shepherd and it's his yard (he will also kill the kittens if he gets a hold of them as he was a rescue and has retained the small game prey drive). We also have a pool with guests around all the time. So, in short, I can't have six cats kicking it in my backyard, especially with mother cat acting like a psycho.

So, I figured, what's the difference between them living in the state park vs. living in my backyard, they've got to figure it out and survive on their own if they can't be domesticated.

I also called the county for advice and they were basically useless -- said they'd do it but would kill them that day.

Posted by: Blacksheep at August 02, 2016 11:49 PM (bS6uW)

219 209 mrp

Small world.

Wouldn't want to paint it, though

Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:49 PM (vUcdz)

220 I didn't mean you. Of COURSE they're scheming against *you.*
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle
--------------

Have you been talking to my cat? Because you can't believe a word that the evil little bugger says.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 02, 2016 11:49 PM (9mTYi)

221 164
I run a Windows 10 machine and a Linux Mint 18 machine at home. They share folders and also connect to a separate 4 TB drive.

I like them both. I've disabled the onerous features of Windows 10
and find it to be fast and stable. Much better than Windows 8.1 and even
better than Windows 7.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at August 02, 2016 11:34 PM (nvMvs)

Which do you find that you're using more and by how much? Is it 60-40 Windows, or 90-10 Mint?

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 11:49 PM (EzgxV)

222 211 Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:47 PM (vUcdz)

Figures....and in ~5 years I will be a fixture at them I suspect....

It figures you get my 40 character ramblings given my sense of humor is "not that odd" from our little corner of Ohio....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 02, 2016 11:50 PM (SzZnW)

223 216 Bert

Agreed.

Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:50 PM (vUcdz)

224 A real nice place to raise your kids up.
===========

Technically, the house was in Washington Twp. and that was so far back that Yankee Street was Yankee Road (because it was settled by Connecticut and upstate NY people).

Posted by: mrp at August 02, 2016 11:51 PM (JBggj)

225 The secret to Maet's cat pic?

They're named Hillary, Lena, and Yoko.

(Their humans are cruel liberals.)

Posted by: mindful webworker - clinton! dunham! oh no! at August 02, 2016 11:51 PM (5a8XA)

226 The Obama administration secretly organized an airlift of $400 million worth of cash to Iran that coincided with the January release of four Americans detained in Tehran, according to U.S. and European officials and congressional staff briefed on the operation afterward.

Wooden pallets stacked with euros, Swiss francs and other currencies were flown into Iran on an unmarked cargo plane, according to these officials. The U.S. procured the money from the central banks of the Netherlands and Switzerland, they said.

The money represented the first installment of a $1.7 billion settlement the Obama administration reached with Iran to resolve a decades-old dispute over a failed arms deal signed just before the 1979 fall of Iran's last monarch, Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 02, 2016 11:51 PM (e8kgV)

227 Posted by: sven10077 at August 02, 2016 11:49 PM (SzZnW)

I know, didn't want to ruin they're happiness. Big loss IMHO, and doesn't bode well.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at August 02, 2016 11:51 PM (cbW3l)

228 Have you been talking to my cat? Because you can't believe a word that the evil little bugger says.

I don't know, he's been my investment advisor for a few years now. Before I found him, I didn't even know there was a salmon futures market.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 02, 2016 11:52 PM (T/cxb)

229 Huelskamp used to be a TP fav, but he did vote against agricultural welfare bills. Doesn't play too well in this district.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 02, 2016 11:52 PM (VxHD9)

230 222 sven

Yup

Just now starting to plan this year's, will see how it goes.

Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:52 PM (vUcdz)

231 116 Good evening everyone!
It's official, I'm on the road. I made it as far as Gallup before calling it a day. I'll try to make it to Barstow tomorrow.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 02, 2016 11:24 PM (+

Yay, Alex is finally joining the So Cal horde!!!! And the bday tix have been purchased, so put it on your calendar.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 02, 2016 11:52 PM (hscyr)

232 215: what isn't? you take a dump toady? globull warming. stop that shit.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 02, 2016 11:52 PM (KP5rU)

233 206 Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:46 PM (vUcdz)

My sister is 51, it is unfair she is literally my vision of an angel.

Young's is not the Young's of our youth *but* it is still the best in several states.

My father will be 74 this year...if God forbid he or she are gone wife may want to settle here in Montana or Alberta but God willing we are coming home.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 02, 2016 11:53 PM (SzZnW)

234 Posted by: Blacksheep at August 02, 2016 11:49 PM (bS6uW)
At least you are giving them a fighting chance. A rancher may want them for barn cats.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 02, 2016 11:53 PM (eU/yZ)

235 Gus's Really Good Fresh Jerky
_______________
I drive by that place all the time, I'll have to stop in next time. I dunno though, I'm usually making such good time that I hate to stop for things.

Posted by: BuckIV at August 02, 2016 11:53 PM (CLfqv)

236 If you are like 99pct of users and just need a reliable computer that is just going to work for the next 5 years and not give you problems your best bet is a MacBook Pro or if you must have a wintel get a surface 4.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 02, 2016 11:54 PM (7C/kB)

237 Alex is finally joining the So Cal horde

Going out to Hollywood to be a movie star?

Posted by: Leonia Man at August 02, 2016 11:54 PM (kXWUw)

238 Yay, Alex is finally joining the So Cal horde!!!! And the bday tix have been purchased, so put it on your calendar.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 02, 2016 11:52 PM (hscyr)

Will do. What was the date again? Also, what type of ticket do I need to buy?

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 02, 2016 11:54 PM (+kikw)

239 224 mrp

Big smile because we actually live in the township.

I didn't know that about Yankee. Interesting - Thanks!

Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:54 PM (vUcdz)

240 Going out to Hollywood to be a movie star?
Posted by: Leonia Man at August 02, 2016 11:54 PM (kXWUw)

Close. Grad School.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 02, 2016 11:55 PM (+kikw)

241 Going out to Hollywood to be a movie star?
Posted by: Leonia Man

Hey, I can make you a star.

Posted by: "Producer" at the LA bus station at August 02, 2016 11:55 PM (UPYhp)

242 Is anybody else having trouble trudgingbthrough all of tonight's ONT content? It's not just me feeling overwhelmed, is it?

Posted by: tankdemon at August 02, 2016 11:56 PM (qC1Q6)

243 Going out to Hollywood to be a movie star?
Posted by: Leonia Man at August 02, 2016 11:54 PM (kXWUw)

Close. Grad School.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 02, 2016 11:55 PM (+kikw)

huh, would have assumed you struck it rich when you were out huntin for some food when up from the ground came a bubblin crude.

Posted by: yankeefifth at August 02, 2016 11:56 PM (AoSQU)

244 Swimming pool grounding requirements are quite involved, and I'd have to look up the latest. There is a bonding requirement -- all exposed metal around the thing must be adequately bonded, to prevent any voltage between exposed metal parts.

And, IIRC, there was an "equipotential" grid requirement to be around the pool. There have been issues with stray voltages in certain situations, and this grid was to kill that risk.

But I think there was some controversy over it.

At any rate, swimming pool grounding is a complicated thing, and I'd have to some reading to find out just what the latest is (and see if I agreed with it or not, as well).

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 11:57 PM (DW+jj)

245 @226

After Ryan, McConnel and the rest of the GOP fucktards finish breaking Trumps balls maybe they could look into stopping the out of control fascist-tyrant currently
Inhabiting the Oval Office?

Posted by: Kreplach at August 02, 2016 11:57 PM (7C/kB)

246 Posted by: Kreplach at August 02, 2016 11:54 PM (7C/kB)
My MacBook broke, I ordered a new one. Hopefully it gets here this week.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 02, 2016 11:57 PM (eU/yZ)

247 movie stars

swimmin pools

Posted by: yankeefifth at August 02, 2016 11:57 PM (AoSQU)

248 233 sven

Oy, that's way too young.

FWIW, we now have a Graeter's (actually two: one in Oakwood, the other in C'ville) so no real incentive to hit up Young's

Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:57 PM (vUcdz)

249 @234 - I hope so. I think the reality is that some will make it and some will not. That's nature, and probably why dog and cat litters are large in the first place. I don't think I'll share that insight with my crying wife, though. She knows this has to happen but she is really upset.

I leave town tomorrow for business and don't return until Saturday, and arranged for her to go with me. I seriously hope the trapper catches them all while we're gone.

Posted by: Blacksheep at August 02, 2016 11:58 PM (bS6uW)

250 movie stars

swimmin pools
===============

Jed, move away from there!

Posted by: mrp at August 02, 2016 11:58 PM (JBggj)

251 just before the 1979 fall of Iran's last monarch

Before. Huh. Helluva a negotiation, there, Barry.

Posted by: t-bird at August 02, 2016 11:59 PM (9mTYi)

252 One of my co-workers had me watch this on her phone today.

(Some of my co-workers I love more than family)

"first moon party"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEcZmT0fiNM

(you have been warned)

Posted by: Kindltot at August 02, 2016 11:59 PM (ry34m)

253 @246

What broke?

Posted by: Kreplach at August 02, 2016 11:59 PM (7C/kB)

254 248 Posted by: ibguy at August 02, 2016 11:57 PM (vUcdz)

Eh Lad10077 loves the magic goats....

Wife has a soft spot for Cold Stone, and decided she likes Culver's.....a lot

Posted by: sven10077 at August 02, 2016 11:59 PM (SzZnW)

255 175 Also, Bebe, Gushka and I are discussing a possible game night this weekend.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 02, 2016 11:37 PM (+

Bwaaahhhh, more fun with crabs adjust humidity???!!!!

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 02, 2016 11:59 PM (hscyr)

256 hey who is swimmin in the cement pond?

Posted by: yankeefifth at August 02, 2016 11:59 PM (AoSQU)

257 The house we live in was built of poured concrete. I figure the "older" part was built some time in the late teens or early twenties of the last century. The wiring was all two-line, run in conduit.

The "newer" part was added on in the mid-1930s in an entirely different style, heavy-duty Romex throughout.

It was easy to pull and replace the conduit with new three-line wiring. The Romex... still trying to figure out what to do about that.

_/\_

Favorite rewiring story: Chicago apartment building, built around 1910, remodeling in the mid-1980s. We removed a light fixture in the ceiling and... smelled gas. They had run the wiring through the old gas lighting pipes! Just a residual whiff, not connected to gas anymore, but kinda hair-raising for a moment.

Posted by: mindful webworker - ZAP! at August 03, 2016 12:00 AM (5a8XA)

258 217 204 Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 02, 2016 11:46 PM (Z+1Ng)

Not Awesome.....this was Paul Ryan beating Huelskamp....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 02, 2016 11:49 PM (SzZnW

Thought Huelskamp, a never trump incumbent and pro Cruz guy, got destroyed by a pro trump camdidate in the Primary.

I fail to see where this is a bad trend. But I'll defer to your input and analysis if you care to share it. I'm not wanting start a stressful debate or anything. Just though this was a positive trend.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 12:00 AM (Z+1Ng)

259 Actually shooting at somrthing and striking oil in ca will get you a huge EPA enviromental cleanup bill these days

Posted by: Flawless Male logic at August 03, 2016 12:01 AM (FIBvS)

260 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 11:57 PM (DW+jj)
I trust my electrician. He fixed it. He's coming back Monday to change the big lever type shut off switches to a fuse type box. He's also going to run the power and phone lines 400 yards in conduit so I can put up an entry gate.
We bought a big trencher. I'm digging the trench. My husband talks to him.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 03, 2016 12:01 AM (eU/yZ)

261
Have you been talking to my cat? Because you can't believe a word that the evil little bugger says.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 02, 2016 11:49 PM (9mTYi)
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Ohhh, I seeeee.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 03, 2016 12:02 AM (5o5ek)

262
"first moon party"

Periods don't have glitter in them.

LOL!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 03, 2016 12:03 AM (BK3ZS)

263 We bought a big trencher. I'm digging the trench. My husband talks to him.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 03, 2016 12:01 AM (eU/yZ)

Wha'? No way!

Everyone knows the woman's place is on the loader.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 03, 2016 12:03 AM (ry34m)

264
Not Awesome.....this was Paul Ryan beating Huelskamp....

------------------

Wait. Ryan is from Wisconsin and Huelskamp is from Kansas.

He lost to some dude named Roger Marshall. I don't know anything about him, but maybe you meant he's a Ryan stand-in.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 03, 2016 12:04 AM (5o5ek)

265 Bwaaahhhh, more fun with crabs adjust humidity???!!!!
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 02, 2016 11:59 PM (hscyr)

That, or possibly Exploding Kittens.

Either way there will be cocktails.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 03, 2016 12:04 AM (+kikw)

266 Kill, marry, fuck?

Posted by: BuckIV

Does it have to be in that order?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 02, 2016 11:34 PM (UPYhp)

It would be sinful and immoral to fuck a corpse before marrying it...

Posted by: The Moral Hat at August 03, 2016 12:05 AM (vBeA5)

267 204 188 Tim Huelskamp lost his primary.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at August 02, 2016 11:41 PM (

That is awesome. Paul Ryan is next.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 02, 2016 11:46 PM (Z+1Ng)

I thought Huelskamp was the good guy. Not that I've been following that primary.

Posted by: rickl at August 03, 2016 12:05 AM (sdi6R)

268 Posted by: Kreplach at August 02, 2016 11:59 PM (7C/kB)
First the thumb drive things won't work anymore, then the dvd/cd drive stopped working.
Now, it's on but black. I put a flashlight through the apple on the back and nothing. I had a black screen after turning it on before, and I put a flashlight through the apple logo so I could log in and then it worked.
It was making loud fan noises too. I knew it was breaking.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 03, 2016 12:06 AM (eU/yZ)

269 238 Will do. What was the date again? Also, what type of ticket do I need to buy?
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 02, 2016 11:54 PM (+

21 October, & it's been got presale. I'll let you know $ at Gushie's.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 03, 2016 12:07 AM (hscyr)

270 Heh. I grew up in Centerville.
Posted by: mrp

1/5 of Ace's posts are born there.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 12:08 AM (8GNw0)

271 Posted by: Kindltot at August 03, 2016 12:03 AM (ry34m)
I'm the supervisor. I'll watch and make sure everything's done correctly.
That's our joke around here. I'm the supervisor.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 03, 2016 12:08 AM (eU/yZ)

272 266 Kill, marry, fuck?

Posted by: BuckIV

Does it have to be in that order?
_________________________
I tried to write a post explaining which kitty I would choose for each option, but it came out really creepy. Anyway, I'd fuck the one in the middle.

Posted by: BuckIV at August 03, 2016 12:09 AM (CLfqv)

273 1/5 of Ace's posts are born there.
========================

Waaat?

Posted by: mrp at August 03, 2016 12:10 AM (JBggj)

274 258 Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 12:00 AM (Z+1Ng)

Things have gotten complex...

so the guy hated Trump BUT he also thwarted the worst of Boehner and Ryan's antics....and he was beat by a Trump backer which is good...but the guy is more conciliatory on issues than the incumbent was in the House....

it is a ball of suck, and if the NeverTrumpers elect Gram gram not my problem in 2018 as I will be shifting to "plan B"

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:10 AM (SzZnW)

275 I thought Huelskamp was the good guy. Not that I've been following that primary.

Posted by: rickl at August 03, 2016 12:05 AM (sdi6R)

He is the good guy from the principled real conservative nevertrumper perspective.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 03, 2016 12:10 AM (P/kVC)

276 Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 03, 2016 12:07 AM (hscyr)
You live in CA too? I'm central coast area.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 03, 2016 12:11 AM (eU/yZ)

277 267 Posted by: rickl at August 03, 2016 12:05 AM (sdi6R)

Huelskamp is good in and of that he was a thron in the Go Along Gang's side several times since 2010....

he is bad b/c "I found mah principles" about Trump.....

Paul Ryan is smiling this evening, I am to the point that seldom makes me happy.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:11 AM (SzZnW)

278 Posted by: Blacksheep at August 02, 2016 11:29 PM

Have you thought of finding a place for them to work, like a barn? Or a warehouse? The Tree House Humane Society places feral cats in places that need rodent control; they are fixed, and then fed. So far it seems that after a while, they become a LOT less fear.

Just a thought.

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 03, 2016 12:11 AM (tvyXw)

279 275 Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 03, 2016 12:10 AM (P/kVC)

Right, b/c after we have four more years of Saul Alinsky running the US Govt REAL CONSERVATISM will come back like gangbusters.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:12 AM (SzZnW)

280 If you are like 99pct of users and just need a reliable computer that is just going to work for the next 5 years and not give you problems your best bet is a MacBook Pro or if you must have a wintel get a surface 4.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 02, 2016 11:54 PM (7C/kB)

The Surface Pro is a great computer. If staying with Windows and you are not needing a productivity machine I highly recommend.

And really, really pinkie swearsies I am not trying to get into a Mac/Windows war, but my experience with Macs as an internet machine has always been subpar. Love Macs for creating media content and video editing.

And Win10 is just fine. It will run kind of slow at first until it makes its network and internet connections. And you will need to install the latest peripheral drivers. I have not experienced a single crash on 4 machines, it plays nice, and the interface is even better than Win 7 in my opinion.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at August 03, 2016 12:12 AM (G12IS)

281 276 Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 03, 2016 12:07 AM (hscyr)
You live in CA too? I'm central coast area.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 03, 2016

Yup, el lay

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 03, 2016 12:12 AM (hscyr)

282 Kittens!

Posted by: FireHorse at August 03, 2016 12:13 AM (YcAfS)

283 264 Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 03, 2016 12:04 AM (5o5ek)

Let's not kid....the speaker of the house wields a LOT of power.....

this was the Paul Ryan leadership throwing their weight behind a challenger...

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:13 AM (SzZnW)

284 277
Huelskamp is good in and of that he was a thron in the Go Along Gang's side several times since 2010....

he is bad b/c "I found mah principles" about Trump.....

Paul Ryan is smiling this evening, I am to the point that seldom makes me happy.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:11 AM (SzZnW)

Well, I guess I'm glad I didn't have to vote in that race.

Posted by: rickl at August 03, 2016 12:13 AM (sdi6R)

285 Right, b/c after we have four more years of Saul Alinsky running the US Govt REAL CONSERVATISM will come back like gangbusters.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:12 AM (SzZnW)

Should I have added a /sarc tag?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 03, 2016 12:13 AM (P/kVC)

286 267 204 188 Tim Huelskamp lost his primary.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at August 02, 2016 11:41 PM (

That is awesome. Paul Ryan is next.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 02, 2016 11:46 PM (Z+1Ng)

I thought Huelskamp was the good guy. Not that I've been following that primary.
Posted by: rickl at August 03, 2016 12:05 AM (sdi6R

He was a very vocal die hard never trumper and a die hard pro Cruz guy. The polls were tied on July 24th. He lost by 14% tonight.

I see this as a good trend for America and bad for all incumbants including Paul Ryan and Never Trumpets. Also a great trend for Trump. Also shows the polls are full of Shit.

Nobody is safe. The conservativetreehouse has a article up about this race that is updated with analysis.

They have been pretty danm accurate the oast few years IMO.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 12:13 AM (Z+1Ng)

287 First night with dad with a CPAP. He's fine. Machine is working.

But we get an alert that the machine is "leaking." Feel up and down the hose, the joints........nothing. Can't feel anything anywhere. Seems totally plumbed in.

?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 03, 2016 12:13 AM (9ym/8)

288 285 Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 03, 2016 12:13 AM (P/kVC)

Sorry, I am terse.

I'm in the middle of being called a liar about having been a Cruz man at Insty....

the wires get crossed.

The Insty crowd look down their nose HARD at us in the comments almost as bad as the late Tepid commentariat.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:15 AM (SzZnW)

289 Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 03, 2016 12:12 AM (hscyr)
If you ever make it up my way let me know. We don't go your way unless it's a convention.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 03, 2016 12:16 AM (eU/yZ)

290 In other news... Warren Buffet Endorses Hillary.

and also warren buffets son is on the board of directors of the commission for the presidential debates.

queen vagina jesus sure knows how to pick her friends.

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 03, 2016 12:17 AM (tvyXw)

291 287 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 03, 2016 12:13 AM (9ym/

I do CPAP, depending on model it could be complaining about a bad seal on the pillow bed.

Depending on which mask he is using you may want to check the seals later on in the week.

Otherwise put your hand completely around the joint where the mask hose links up with the main hose leading to the machine itself.....

if the sound changes appreciably you need to tighten the seal.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:17 AM (SzZnW)

292 Will do Cali

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 03, 2016 12:17 AM (hscyr)

293 274 258 Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 12:00 AM (Z+1Ng)

Things have gotten complex...

so the guy hated Trump BUT he also thwarted the worst of Boehner and Ryan's antics....and he was beat by a Trump backer which is good...but the guy is more conciliatory on issues than the incumbent was in the House....

it is a ball of suck, and if the NeverTrumpers elect Gram gram not my problem in 2018 as I will be shifting to "plan B"
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:10 AM (SzZnW

Thanks for your input and analysis.

Would you agree that NOBODY is safe is the trend?

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 12:17 AM (Z+1Ng)

294 Something that I didn't see in the MSM:

"Paris Archbishop Calls Allah 'God of Death'"

LINK (churchmilitant.com): http://preview.tinyurl.com/j5po65v

via instapundit.com

Cardinal Andre Vingt-Trois referred to the ISIS version of Allah as "Moloch". That's pretty fierce stuff, there.

Posted by: mrp at August 03, 2016 12:18 AM (JBggj)

295 Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:15 AM (SzZnW)

Well, it was a roundabout reference to the cruz fedayeen.
I try to avoid direct references to it.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 03, 2016 12:18 AM (P/kVC)

296 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 03, 2016 12:13 AM (9ym/

My mom has a CPAP but she hasn't had any problems like that.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 03, 2016 12:18 AM (eU/yZ)

297 What Insty thread, Sven?

Posted by: andycanuck at August 03, 2016 12:18 AM (LdMbv)

298 284 Posted by: rickl at August 03, 2016 12:13 AM (sdi6R)

I'm just depressed I don't have a few grand in my right pocket to punish the NTs....

if need be I will make it my mission in 2018

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:18 AM (SzZnW)

299 229 Huelskamp used to be a TP fav, but he did vote against agricultural welfare bills. Doesn't play too well in this district.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 02, 2016 11:52 PM (VxHD9)

Yeah, everybody likes their free shit from the government. Including agricultural subsidies in conservative states. Every conservative is in favor of spending cuts just as long as what's being cut is someone else's free shit, not yours.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 03, 2016 12:19 AM (RyJWo)

300 Cardinal Andre Vingt-Trois referred to the ISIS version of Allah as "Moloch". That's pretty fierce stuff, there.

----

Yeah, Pope Frank ain't gonna like that.

I'm thinkin' he'll be excommunicated for not praising islam. which I'm pretty sure is now a mortal sin.

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 03, 2016 12:19 AM (tvyXw)

301 In other news... Warren Buffet Endorses Hillary.

and also warren buffets son is on the board of directors of the commission for the presidential debates.

queen vagina jesus sure knows how to pick her friends.

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 03, 2016 12:17 AM (tvyXw)

Like Hills was totally serious about hitting Wall Street / transnationalists in her acceptance speech.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 03, 2016 12:19 AM (P/kVC)

302 The Insty crowd look down their nose HARD at us in the comments almost as bad as the late Tepid commentariat.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:15 AM (SzZnW)

I've never noticed that. Usually a pretty genial crowd. I don't think the Trump/Not Trump flame wars are as hot over there they are here and other places.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at August 03, 2016 12:20 AM (G12IS)

303 297 Posted by: andycanuck at August 03, 2016 12:18 AM (LdMbv)

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/240366/#respond

Guy doesn't know who he is tangling with, nor does he grasp Glenn and I are rather friendly on twitter.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:20 AM (SzZnW)

304
Like Hills was totally serious about hitting Wall Street / transnationalists in her acceptance speech.

---
bet there was a wink at the end that was not televised.

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 03, 2016 12:20 AM (tvyXw)

305 294: Cardinal Andre Vingt-Trois referred to the ISIS version of Allah as "Moloch". That's pretty fierce stuff, there.

Posted by: mrp
________

The guy's name is 23?

Posted by: FireHorse at August 03, 2016 12:21 AM (YcAfS)

306 302 Posted by: ObjectionSustained at August 03, 2016 12:20 AM (G12IS)

They use fancier words, and as Trump "stumbles" they get more heated....

I am NOT a YAY TRUMP SUPERFAN never have been.

I am rock-solid #NeverHillary

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:21 AM (SzZnW)

307 Cardinal Andre Vingt-Trois referred to the ISIS version of Allah as "Moloch". That's pretty fierce stuff, there.

Posted by: mrp at August 03, 2016 12:18 AM (JBggj)

It certainly is. I wonder if Frank approves that message?

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 03, 2016 12:21 AM (RyJWo)

308 Hillary is very serious about hitting Wall Street / transnationalists.

Hitting them up for money. And if they turn her down then she will go after them.

Posted by: buzzion at August 03, 2016 12:22 AM (bMG0w)

309 Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:18 AM (SzZnW)
I've been attacked because I said I will vote for Trump. I am not sitting out, I would never vote for Hillary. It's a binary choice.
I don't like arguing with people either. This has been in person.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 03, 2016 12:22 AM (eU/yZ)

310 mindful,
Another Chicago wiring story. I lived in a converted attic apartment. One day I got a DIY vibe and decided to replace the ugly light fixtures. Instead of junction boxes, the "electrician" had used small Hills Brothers coffee cans. Instead of electrical tape or caps - clear packing tape that you would use to mail packages.

Needless to say, I didn't change the light fixtures

Posted by: Chuck C at August 03, 2016 12:22 AM (h99GH)

311 221 Which do you find that you're using more and by how much? Is it 60-40 Windows, or 90-10 Mint?
Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 11:49 PM (EzgxV)

It's about 50-50, depending on what I'm doing. I love Mint but I use financial software on Windows 10 that doesn't have a Linux equivalent.

For everyday use, Mint is ultra-stable and very, very fast. My 89-year old mother wouldn't have any problems using it and could probably even install it by herself.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at August 03, 2016 12:22 AM (nvMvs)

312 293 Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 12:17 AM (Z+1Ng)

ANY politician who has ignored their base at home is at risk, period.

ANY Politician.

I think we may lose this seat in a Hillary wave.....

if they were pissed off about "he voted against OUR free shit" why would they not elect a real democrat?

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:23 AM (SzZnW)

313 The guy's name is 23?
Posted by: FireHorse
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A prime number. Coincidence? You decide.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 03, 2016 12:24 AM (Z58Xa)

314
First night with dad with a CPAP.

Can't see how someone can sleep while wearing one of those things.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 03, 2016 12:24 AM (IqV8l)

315 309 Posted by: CaliGirl at August 03, 2016 12:22 AM (eU/yZ)

The same, of course I live in Butte Mt.....

the local GOP can meet in a phone booth.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:24 AM (SzZnW)

316 sven/cg..............is it possible we don' have the mask secure?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 03, 2016 12:24 AM (9ym/8)

317 "The rules for when you can use romex, vs when conduit (of various kinds)
much be used get complicated. Basically, for wood frame houses with no
open wiring, you use romex."

For quite a while in Chicago, it was conduit only, by code. In everything. Even ordinary wood frame residences. A political make-work sap to the electricians' union.

However, they had a quite low rate of electrically caused structure fires during that era.

Eventually the fast-buck yuppie condo developers bought off enough aldercreatures that the code was changed to allow Romex instead. After a decade or so of that, the electrically caused structure fire rate started to tick up, and rose slowly but steadily.

Posted by: The Crony-Capitalist Donor Class at August 03, 2016 12:24 AM (noWW6)

318 294
Cardinal Andre Vingt-Trois referred to the ISIS version of Allah as "Moloch". That's pretty fierce stuff, there.
Posted by: mrp at August 03, 2016 12:18 AM (JBggj)

Now we're talking. The French Church isn't dead yet, maybe?

Posted by: rickl at August 03, 2016 12:24 AM (sdi6R)

319 314 Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 03, 2016 12:24 AM (IqV8l)

The lack of micro heart attacks helps....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:24 AM (SzZnW)

320 No. There are several NeverTrump psychos at Insty's e.g. F@rcourt. (And not nearly as many Trump worshipers.)

Posted by: andycanuck at August 03, 2016 12:25 AM (LdMbv)

321 I've been attacked because I said I will vote for Trump. I am not sitting out, I would never vote for Hillary. It's a binary choice.
I don't like arguing with people either. This has been in person.
Posted by: CaliGirl

You just don't have principles. I love the Constitution sexually and will prove it by voting to kill it by cankles. If I can't have it, then no one can.

Posted by: Principled Conservative what has Principles at August 03, 2016 12:25 AM (UPYhp)

322 316 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 03, 2016 12:24 AM (9ym/

Possible but do not check until tomorrow in my non Dr opinion....

if he is sleeping soundly with the monster on his head that is the main thing you can adjust it tomorrow.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:25 AM (SzZnW)

323 It's about 50-50, depending on what I'm doing. I love Mint but I use financial software on Windows 10 that doesn't have a Linux equivalent.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at August 03, 2016 12:22 AM (nvMvs)

I thought there was a Linux app that allowed you to run Windows software. I think it's called "Wine". You might want to look into it.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 03, 2016 12:26 AM (RyJWo)

324
this was the Paul Ryan leadership throwing their weight behind a challenger...
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:13 AM (SzZnW)
--------------------

Ah, got it. Must learn about this Roger Marshall fellow then.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 03, 2016 12:26 AM (5o5ek)

325 I personally do not like Trump.

I do very much like his published platform (even if he sometimes forgets it).

Every other Presidential election I have voted against someone. This time I am voting for his platform.

And hoping to get naked pics of the wife and girls in e-mail.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 03, 2016 12:26 AM (P/kVC)

326 The guy's name is 23?
================

He's not a number!

Posted by: Number 6 at August 03, 2016 12:27 AM (JBggj)

327 So which guy won in Kansas 01? I mean, I know who won, but was he the establishment guy or the outsider?

Posted by: Weirddave at August 03, 2016 12:28 AM (N8hFs)

328 "if he is sleeping soundly with the monster on his head that is the main thing you can adjust it tomorrow."

Sound away. Not jerking it off. I'm staying up to watch him.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 03, 2016 12:28 AM (9ym/8)

329 Well, good night all. Alarm goes off in 5.5 hours and I can't be late to work tomorrow -- it's my turn to bring the donuts.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 03, 2016 12:29 AM (5o5ek)

330 312 293 Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 12:17 AM (Z+1Ng)

ANY politician who has ignored their base at home is at risk, period.

ANY Politician.

I think we may lose this seat in a Hillary wave.....

if they were pissed off about "he voted against OUR free shit" why would they not elect a real democrat?
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:23 AM (SzZnW)

There has been a lot of ignoring going around for 10 years.

IMHO I think the free Shit crowd will lose big. There are other major factors and forces at play here with ignoring thepeople you serve being a huge one.

I don't see a Hillary wave coming, but I don't have a time machine either

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 12:29 AM (Z+1Ng)

331 He's not a number!
Posted by: Number 6

Splitter.

Posted by: Revolution 9 at August 03, 2016 12:30 AM (UPYhp)

332 They use fancier words, and as Trump "stumbles" they get more heated....

I am NOT a YAY TRUMP SUPERFAN never have been.

I am rock-solid #NeverHillary
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:21 AM (SzZnW)

Guess I oughtta mosey over there to see what you are talking about. This place is my first stop, Insty is second and Powerline third.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at August 03, 2016 12:30 AM (G12IS)

333 327 So which guy won in Kansas 01? I mean, I know who won, but was he the establishment guy or the outsider?

Posted by: Weirddave at August 03, 2016 12:28 AM (N8hFs)

Someone on Twitter said that the House GOP was breaking out the champagne when it became clear that Huelskamp was going to lose. Don't know if that's true, but you can make of that what you will.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 03, 2016 12:30 AM (RyJWo)

334 "I thought there was a Linux app that allowed you to run Windows software. I think it's called 'Wine'."

There is, but the emulation isn't perfect. I have found things that won't run at all under WINE even after much parameter fussing. (Older Windows programs which I suspect may have relied in places on undocumented API calls not present in WINE.)

And you wouldn't want to run a really heavyweight application under WINE: the overhead would be too much.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2016 12:31 AM (noWW6)

335 Needless to say, I didn't change the light fixtures
Posted by: Chuck C
-----------------

Not dangerous, of course, but at an enduro once, I saw a bike that had been wired with Romex.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 03, 2016 12:31 AM (Z58Xa)

336 327 Posted by: Weirddave at August 03, 2016 12:28 AM (N8hFs)

"yes" Dave "yes"

I think Ryan "won" for House business and the Trump GOP showed its muscle....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:31 AM (SzZnW)

337 Huh. A tornado in Vietnam?

https://tinyurl.com/hbe75l8

Posted by: rickl at August 03, 2016 12:31 AM (sdi6R)

338 Night all...

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 03, 2016 12:31 AM (9ym/8)

339 Ricardo,
Yes, it may be the mask isn't on the face properly.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 03, 2016 12:32 AM (eU/yZ)

340 Can't see how someone can sleep while wearing one of those things.///

If you have sleep apnea you don't know how you slept without one. Well you know how you slept and it was shit comparably.

Posted by: Willy J. at August 03, 2016 12:32 AM (BZey7)

341 333 Posted by: OregonMuse at August 03, 2016 12:30 AM (RyJWo)

Yup....Ryan could care less about Trump if it means he has more topcover to hand HILLARY! amnesty in 7 months.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:33 AM (SzZnW)

342 Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 03, 2016 12:29 AM (5o5ek)
Goodnight and enjoy the doughnuts.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 03, 2016 12:33 AM (eU/yZ)

343 It certainly is. I wonder if Frank approves that message?
==============================

Pope Francis is an Argentine Peronist Jesuit. I'd say, not yet.

OTOH, he hasn't dismissed the Swiss Guard nor the Vatican Gendarmerie, so there's that.

Posted by: mrp at August 03, 2016 12:33 AM (JBggj)

344 Re CPAP when it shows a leak it is often around the face mask, it may be too big or small. The nose type can also leak with high CPAP pressure "squeezing" out around the tubes that go into the nose. Check with your supplier of the equipment if the problem doesn't resolve in a few days. It takes time and maybe different masks to get the right fit.

Posted by: Museisluse at August 03, 2016 12:33 AM (nskAg)

345 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 03, 2016 12:31 AM (9ym/

Goodnight Ricardo, I hope you get the cpap figured out.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 03, 2016 12:34 AM (eU/yZ)

346 330 Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 12:29 AM (Z+1Ng)

Ace may let you borrow his.

I hope Trump wins, I want a Trump wave, and I'll settle for holding the House and/or Senate and then studying whether or not to destroy the GOP.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:34 AM (SzZnW)

347 Huelskamp was a pro-Cruz NeverTrumper, weirddave, who lost. His loss has the pro-Trump side ecstatic.

I've read one brief pro-Huelskamp comment claim the winner, Roger Marshall, was a CoC 'establishment' candidate but I don't know if that's accurate or (as several NeverTrump trolls here often claim) that the GOP establishment is now 'supporting' Trump so that makes any pro-Trump candidate a GOPe establishment one that's clearly untrue.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 03, 2016 12:35 AM (LdMbv)

348 Yeah, it's the local code that is controlling, and certain localities go well beyond the NEC. (really, legally, a local body elects to require the NEC be followed -- it's always the local law that is at work) Romex is fine and dandy, when installed correctly and used correctly.

I learned something about "electrical causes" of fires. This can be sort of a default explanation, when a real investigation isn't done. I saw this first hand.

My grandmother's old house burned down back in the late '90s. My father had been renting it out, and it was actually a good thing. With the house gone, no more people pestering you to rent the thing.

The firemen got there and got it put out, but the house was gone, and we just bulldozed it. They had to list a cause of the fire.

The guy doing that just kicked around, saw the burned-out hulk of a dryer, and decided that was the cause. He asked everyone around, "That looks like it could have caused it, don't you think?" Everyone nodded, yep, it could have.

That's what got put down as the cause. Dryer electrical fault started the fire.

Looking around, it was patently obvious the fire actually started in the kitchen. That was where it had burned the most.

It didn't matter, it could've been something electrical in the kitchen or it could've been something else.

But they needed a "cause" to put down, and they weren't going to take the time and expense to do an actual detailed investigation.

Then it hit me, I wonder how often that goes on....... But in the official stats, that's one more "electrical dryer fire" that will be taken as gospel.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 03, 2016 12:36 AM (DW+jj)

349 347 Posted by: andycanuck at August 03, 2016 12:35 AM (LdMbv)

It's "complicated" so this Trump thing "yeah" but Hueslkamp was a thorn in Welfare for farmers, amnesty, and a few other issues the GOP likes to "lose" on when the time comes....

so Ryan and Trump both won tonight.....

it's a weird weird season.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:37 AM (SzZnW)

350 @226...

The Fuckin Organizer paid the $400mil that the.....what for it...you'll never,ever guess which previous Admin.....

Had ALREADY paid, in 2000, to Victims Family's of Iranian Terror attacks.

Oh, but they actually paid the Families with US Taxpayer dollars and Not the Iranian's $400mil.

And then we send the $400mil back on a plane in various denominations 16yrs later....

I'm at a loss to even convey how irredeemably FUCKED UP this is.

Google Why US Taxpayers paid victims of Iranian attacks
Look for the Jan 22, 2016 NEWSWEEK link.

Hope Matty D keeps it up top in bright red until at least Wednesday afternoon....and links the Clinton connection.

Evenin y'all,

Posted by: Hillbillyking at August 03, 2016 12:38 AM (O+BRt)

351 I've been attacked because I said I will vote for Trump. I am not sitting out, I would never vote for Hillary. It's a binary choice.
I don't like arguing with people either. This has been in person.
Posted by: CaliGirl

Debate in public rarely works; few are likely to be swayed.

If you find yourself engaged in a debate, just ask questions. Nod your head to the stupid, but find the little gaps and just offer innocent 'questions'.

Perfect example: guns

- We should ban all guns.

+ How will the police stop crime then?

- Oh, I mean, the police should have guns. No one else.

+ Police should have a different level of civil liberties?

- No, they just need them for their job. They're sworn to an oath.

+ What about bail bondsmen? Or firemen?

- Sure.

+ How many exemptions did you have in mind?

- Well, just cops then.

+ So you aren't concerned about cops shooting black men?

- Oh, yes, cops are racists.

+ So only racists should have guns?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 12:38 AM (8GNw0)

352 287
First night with dad with a CPAP. He's fine. Machine is working.

But we get an alert that the machine is "leaking." Feel up and down
the hose, the joints........nothing. Can't feel anything anywhere.
Seems totally plumbed in.

?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 03, 2016 12:13 AM (9ym/

At the mask, there is a vent where it intentionally leaks -- after all, the intent is not to inflate the user like a balloon. If the leak at the mask is blowing on the exhale, that's good -- you'll get fresh air from the CPAP; if the leak at the mask is blowing on the inhale, that's great -- it is assisting respiration. If you're getting a lot of leakage around the periphery of the mask instead of the designated vent, you should tighten the straps to seal better.

It's much more common to have mask fit problems than leakage in tubes.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 12:38 AM (EzgxV)

353 So, I met a sugar baby. And I bought her a thrifty ice cream cone. A double scoop of vanilla and chocolate. I wish that I was young again.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 03, 2016 12:38 AM (6Ll1u)

354 say, has anyone heard from Peaches lately or know how she is doing?

Posted by: yankeefifth at August 03, 2016 12:39 AM (AoSQU)

355 Paul Ryan spokesman says Ryan doesn't need Trump's endorsement.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 03, 2016 12:40 AM (LdMbv)

356 Midsummer Boating ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/760544187783655424

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/760544289550053376

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/760544396550901760

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/760544554156040197

Posted by: kbdabear at August 03, 2016 12:40 AM (GrXXa)

357 So which guy won in Kansas 01? I mean, I know who won, but was he the establishment guy or the outsider?

Posted by: Weirddave at August 03, 2016 12:28 AM (N8hFs)

I was just reading about this - the Chamber of Commerce/GOPe candidate won, painted Huelskamp as the ultimate insider. What the hell is with Kansas voters? Huelskamp was awesome, had a 91% rating with Conservative Review. Fought leadership constantly, a wonderful guy.

We lost a real constitutional champion tonight. Very upsetting.

Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 12:40 AM (hgBpU)

358 More Midsummer Boating ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/760544662360776704

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/760544769739100160

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/760544862504484864

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/760544945727909888

Posted by: kbdabear at August 03, 2016 12:41 AM (GrXXa)

359 BTW, Moslems fire-bomb bus in Paris (France, not Ontario!) luckily after the driver & passengers had gotten out.

That's it for me tonight. S'long.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 03, 2016 12:41 AM (LdMbv)

360 355 Posted by: andycanuck at August 03, 2016 12:40 AM (LdMbv)

Paul Ryan should have the courage of his convictions and say he doesn't need any Trump voters' votes either....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:42 AM (SzZnW)

361
So before I turn out the lights, I go to twitter to tweet at Donald Trump since he'll read and respond right away, whatever became of https://www.lyingcrookedhillary.com/? Hasn't been an update in weeks. It was supposed to be the top 10 lies of Hillary and it's only 3.

And I see this tweet by John Harwood:

longtime ally of Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager: "Manafort not challenging Trump anymore. Mailing it in. Staff suicidal."

Awesome. Moronette suicidal.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 03, 2016 12:42 AM (5o5ek)

362 323 I thought there was a Linux app that allowed you to run Windows software. I think it's called "Wine". You might want to look into it.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 03, 2016 12:26 AM (RyJWo)

There is, and I understand that it's pretty decent these days, but it also opens up your Linux machines to Windows viruses and malware. Running the software to protect it just adds overhead. It's easier for me to just scoot my chair over 2 feet and use my Windows 10 machine.

I'm not a paranoid security freak but I take security very seriously (retired from a large software security company). YMMV, but for me, it's easier to just switch machines.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at August 03, 2016 12:43 AM (nvMvs)

363 I've read one brief pro-Huelskamp comment claim the winner, Roger Marshall, was a CoC 'establishment' candidate but I don't know if that's accurate or (as several NeverTrump trolls here often claim) that the GOP establishment is now 'supporting' Trump so that makes any pro-Trump candidate a GOPe establishment one that's clearly untrue.

Posted by: andycanuck
****

The article I read said the CoC donated 400k to Huelskamp's opponent. We all lost tonight when he lost.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at August 03, 2016 12:43 AM (hVdx9)

364 Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 12:38 AM (8GNw0)
That's great advice. That's usually what I do when it's the usual stupid stuff.
Reagan was the worst president ever. Said by a college student. They have no examples.
This Trump stuff is a level of crazy I've never seen. They think it's better to vote for Johnson because principles.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 03, 2016 12:44 AM (eU/yZ)

365 Paul Ryan should have the courage of his convictions and say he doesn't need any Trump voters' votes either....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:42 AM (SzZnW)

Maybe he already got Obama's, Hill's and Murdoch's.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 03, 2016 12:44 AM (P/kVC)

366 Blacksheep , another thing to keep In mind is rabies. Feral cats have a high incidence of it and aggressive behavior can be an early sign.

Posted by: Jen the original at August 03, 2016 12:44 AM (YZd61)

367 Marshall (defeated Huelskamp) was endorsed by the Chamber of Commerce.

Make of this what you will.

I am only vaguely and indirectly aware of Huelskamp's record - but that limited/dubious info is that he was not a big part of the problem (i.e. "GOPe"). He is a member of the Freedom Caucus, and was "Tea Party" at his initial election, I think.

So - hmmm. Chamber wins vs. Freedom Caucus. Not excited by this, so far.

This, from The Hill:

"generally accepted that Leadership either looked the other way or, in some cases, encouraged independent expenditures in the race in order to defeat the sitting Member of Congress"

Aapparently the "so what?" of this is the idea that from now on, given the leadership's typically slimy semi-intervention in this race against an incumbent, the Freedom Caucus will feel free to do the same - OK, I'm still not too excited by this ...... 12-dimensional chess is sort of not the tool for this rapidly sinking ship)

Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 12:45 AM (QDnY+)

368 Well I'm out for the evening. Have a great night everyone.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 03, 2016 12:46 AM (eU/yZ)

369 I'm old enough to remember when it was silly to get enraged that the Senate leadership would countenance vile Democratic primary tactics (walking around money and race-baiting to get black voters to cross over against a challenger in MS) - because "hey, incumbents always get the nod."

Uh huh.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 12:48 AM (QDnY+)

370 8-year old receives dying wish of being a Marine.

Dies next day (dad is a DI).

Serious IED to the feelz...

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=67224

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at August 03, 2016 12:48 AM (Fn31u)

371 Yup, el lay

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 03, 2016 12:12 AM (hscyr)

How is everything out there? I still miss California at times, even the shithole that is El Lay

Posted by: kbdabear at August 03, 2016 12:48 AM (GrXXa)

372 I've read one brief pro-Huelskamp comment claim the winner, Roger Marshall, was a CoC 'establishment' candidate but I don't know if that's accurate or (as several NeverTrump trolls here often claim) that the GOP establishment is now 'supporting' Trump so that makes any pro-Trump candidate a GOPe establishment one that's clearly untrue.

Posted by: andycanuck

This is the stupidest comment I've read in a long time.

So, a real conservative, a member of the Freedom Caucus, that has fought the leadership assholes in the house and is considered one of the "good guys" is now considered an insider elitist? Is that the twisted logic now?

Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 12:49 AM (hgBpU)

373 so Ryan and Trump both won tonight.....

it's a weird weird season.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:37 AM (SzZnW)

This is not weird at all. Both are establishment, although Trump is significantly to the left of Ryan. Victories for Trump are going to be victories for the establishment. Who is the one candidate he's endorsed for Congress this cycle?

And you want a Trump wave? You really want to hand the nation over entirely to big government authoritarianism, huh?

The Constitution was always inconvenient anyway.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 12:49 AM (mFkVC)

374 Of interest to certain elder gods:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hsz3cdo

SFW

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 03, 2016 12:49 AM (T/cxb)

375 The rather monomaniacal Trump elements elsewhere are seeing a possible wave against anti-Trump incumbents - including Ryan - in this KS primary result.

They'd be half as happy as I would be to see Ryan defeated, soundly.

And I don't see an iota of sense to their excitement in this regard.

Guess we'll see.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 12:50 AM (QDnY+)

376
I'm not a paranoid security freak but I take security very seriously (retired from a large software security company). YMMV, but for me, it's easier to just switch machines.
Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at August 03, 2016 12:43 AM (nvMvs)

I use a separate machine to download things off the net and for email. There's an airlock between my mission critical machine and the Internet.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at August 03, 2016 12:50 AM (G12IS)

377 360 355 Posted by: andycanuck at August 03, 2016 12:40 AM (LdMbv)

Paul Ryan should have the courage of his convictions and say he doesn't need any Trump voters' votes either....
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:42 AM (SzZnW

Interesting stat from tonight which has to do with the Mister Vote turning out.

At the 72% precents reporting Mark in the race, the vote total was equal to the 2014 turnout.

This is the enthusiasm that the polls do not reflect but has the establishment and incumbents terrified. The Monster Vote.

Next Tuesday will be interesting to say the least.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 12:52 AM (Z+1Ng)

378 375 The rather monomaniacal Trump elements elsewhere are seeing a possible wave against anti-Trump incumbents - including Ryan - in this KS primary result.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 12:50 AM (QDnY+)

Ryan... endorsed... Trump.

Ryan... manipulated the convention to shut down opposition to... Trump.

Ryan... has been sending out letters asking people to contribute to Trump as recently as last week.

Reality doesn't change because you really want it to.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 12:52 AM (mFkVC)

379 348

Then it hit me, I wonder how often that goes on....... But in the
official stats, that's one more "electrical dryer fire" that will be
taken as gospel.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 03, 2016 12:36 AM

My father died of lung cancer, but the death certificate says prostate cancer.
I know that the prostate cancer was in remission when he died.

I thought of fighting over it and decided ... for what ?
So the government can keep their stats correct ?

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 03, 2016 12:52 AM (e8kgV)

380 Wow. Ace's wall of text a couple posts ago was huge. I thought it was a movie review. So let me just say, this movie blows! Too much like reality to me, and I am not spending 10 bucks to look at a screen that replicates what I can see for free.
Gimme some pizzazz. Gimme a hero, or a side to cheer for.

But no, Ace paints a picture of a society slouching toward Bethleham, or more likely, Gommorah.

Oh well. Fuck the polls! Something will happen betwixt now and Nov. that will throw things in flux again.
According to ace, and I can't disagree, the timing of that something will make the difference to our short-attention-span fellow Americans.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 03, 2016 12:53 AM (kKHcp)

381 314

First night with dad with a CPAP.

Can't see how someone can sleep while wearing one of those things.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 03, 2016 12:24 AM (IqV8l)

Compared to an airway collapse and smothering six times an hour all through the night, let me assure you that you can get used to it.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 12:54 AM (EzgxV)

382 370 8-year old receives dying wish of being a Marine.
Dies next day (dad is a DI).
Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain

Very very dusty in here

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 03, 2016 12:54 AM (hscyr)

383 373 Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 12:49 AM (mFkVC)

Yes I want a Trump wave....ideally with a GOP who uses it for something other than trough filling this time tiger.

You know I have more posts than ANYONE here the last 9 years and let me tell you something about 1/3d of them dealt with the US Constitution and how we were burning it up....

You know what I did not see a lot of?

These sudden US Con SUPERFANS' favorite pols doing sweet fuckall about Obama.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:54 AM (SzZnW)

384 370 8-year old receives dying wish of being a Marine.

Dies next day (dad is a DI).

Serious IED to the feelz...

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=67224
Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at August 03, 2016 12:48 AM (Fn31u)

Yeah, I saw that earlier. RIP.

Posted by: rickl at August 03, 2016 12:54 AM (sdi6R)

385
There's an airlock between my mission critical machine and the Internet.
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at August 03, 2016 12:50 AM

Just hope HAL lets you in!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 03, 2016 12:55 AM (IqV8l)

386 371 How is everything out there? I still miss California at times, even the shithole that is El Lay
Posted by: kbdabear at August 03, 2016 12:48 AM (

The weather is fabulous in my neck of the shithole

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 03, 2016 12:55 AM (hscyr)

387 "8-year old receives dying wish of being a Marine."

I bitch constantly about the current insanities of USMC procurement and systems doctrine, but the Corps did something to be proud of with that one small act.

Reading the article, it was clear that this little guy had no chance from the very start. Genetic diseases are horrid. Keep that in mind the next time you hear some bioethics type preaching against "designer children" and "playing God". Genetics interventions can mean fewer kids dying with absolutely no hope.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2016 12:55 AM (noWW6)

388 Reality doesn't change because you really want it to.
Posted by: person

What name did you use on AoSHQ before you started using 'person'?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 12:56 AM (8GNw0)

389 This, from The Hill:

"generally accepted that Leadership either looked the other way or, in some cases, encouraged independent expenditures in the race in order to defeat the sitting Member of Congress"

Aapparently the "so what?" of this is the idea that from now on, given the leadership's typically slimy semi-intervention in this race against an incumbent, the Freedom Caucus will feel free to do the same - OK, I'm still not too excited by this ...... 12-dimensional chess is sort of not the tool for this rapidly sinking ship)

Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 12:45 AM (QDnY+)

Fucking Kevin McCarthy fundraised for Huelskamp's challenger. Now, the general rule is that leadership or any Republican entity stay out of the primaries of any Republican sitting incumbent. But McCarthy has done this before and lied about it in 2014. Didn't Eric Cantor do the same thing in a sneaky way with some PAC?

Maybe you should get excited about it because it means that anybody that opposes leadership will be fair game, rules or no rules.

This election's not just about Trump, ya know.

Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 12:57 AM (hgBpU)

390 Yes I want a Trump wave....ideally with a GOP who uses it for something other than trough filling this time tiger.

You know I have more posts than ANYONE here the last 9 years and let me tell you something about 1/3d of them dealt with the US Constitution and how we were burning it up....

You know what I did not see a lot of?

These sudden US Con SUPERFANS' favorite pols doing sweet fuckall about Obama.

Posted by: sven10077
****
So a TP guy who fought leadership and the Dems was beaten by a GOPe whore is a good thing? All because he didn't like Trump? I don't agree with that.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at August 03, 2016 12:57 AM (hVdx9)

391 John Harwood?

CNBC's John Harwood? He's in the tank for Hillary.

Posted by: mrp at August 03, 2016 12:57 AM (JBggj)

392 377 Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 12:52 AM (Z+1Ng)

If 1/2 of my father's circle of peers who have not voted since 1996 turn out there will be a wave.

There are a lot of pissed off union boys who backed Reagan who felt betrayed by Bush on NAFTA who have been dying for someone who attacks it.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:57 AM (SzZnW)

393 8-year old receives dying wish of being a Marine.
Dies next day (dad is a DI).
Serious IED to the feelz...

Semper Fi, little guy.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 03, 2016 12:57 AM (T/cxb)

394 Oh and a further FUBAR is the new normal....(If shit actually makes sense, you better really start worrying)

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in April of this year that victims of Iran sponsored terror, including the 1983 Beirut Barracks Bombing, could collect damages from $1.75billion in frozen Iranian assets.

The Fuckin Organizer is even on record supporting the victims claims.

When, if checks are cut to the families.....where's that money really coming from?

What the fuck.

Posted by: Hillbillyking at August 03, 2016 12:58 AM (O+BRt)

395 323
It's about 50-50, depending on what I'm doing. I love Mint but I use
financial software on Windows 10 that doesn't have a Linux equivalent.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at August 03, 2016 12:22 AM (nvMvs)

I
thought there was a Linux app that allowed you to run Windows software.
I think it's called "Wine". You might want to look into it.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 03, 2016 12:26 AM (RyJWo)

There are a variety of ways to run Win apps under Linux. Wine merely takes the Win system calls and translates them to Linux system calls. It can often take some kludging to have everything work right, and fundamentally compromises Linux security. You can also run a virtualized Win "ghost" in a hypervisor so that it only sees what you want it to see -- VirtualBox can run a full-fledged 32-bit Windows under Linux.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 12:58 AM (EzgxV)

396 Hold my beer, I'm gonna jump the Snake river Canyon,

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 03, 2016 12:59 AM (6Ll1u)

397 Yes I want a Trump wave....ideally with a GOP who uses it for something other than trough filling this time tiger.

You know I have more posts than ANYONE here the last 9 years and let me tell you something about 1/3d of them dealt with the US Constitution and how we were burning it up....

You know what I did not see a lot of?

These sudden US Con SUPERFANS' favorite pols doing sweet fuckall about Obama.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:54 AM (SzZnW)

Trump wants bigger government. He wants more power centralized in the executive. He wants more government programs. He rarely mentions freedom and liberty and he never mentions federalism.

This is not conjecture. He has said as much repeatedly and I doubt he'd deny it if asked.

What kind of Constitutionalism do you think Trump stands for?

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 12:59 AM (mFkVC)

398 390 Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at August 03, 2016 12:57 AM (hVdx9)

On the KS primary I am fairly ambivalent.

Sorry if you are SO against Trump you can entertain the notion of Gram you are pretty much dead to me if you are a professional pol.

I am angry that it just became easier for Ryan to "win/lose" on subsidies and a slew of other issues, but beating Hillary is my prime concern and it was NOT the incumbents'....

those are the breaks even if asshole Ryan is smiling.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:00 AM (SzZnW)

399 But they needed a "cause" to put down, and they
weren't going to take the time and expense to do an actual detailed
investigation.

Then it hit me, I wonder how often that goes
on....... But in the official stats, that's one more "electrical dryer
fire" that will be taken as gospel.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 03, 2016 12:36 AM (DW+jj)

Dishwasher, in my case.

Posted by: BignJames at August 03, 2016 01:00 AM (/D5Lf)

400 The faint hope that the Tea Party phenomenon of 2010 held out - an actual grass-roots, simple and common-sensical rejection of the insane and repugnant course the country was taking - mostly faded thereafter.

Three basic reasons. "Establishment" was too powerful/shameless to be forced to improve. Several Tea Party types were yuuuuuge disappointments - quickly. And ..... there was no after-shock, in the form of important incumbents being primaried in 2012 or 2014 (Cantor proved to be a freak exception, tragically).

Oh - and Marshall (primary winner tonight), on his website, in his Issues area ...... has nothing on mass illegal migration (that I could see). Nada, amigos.

Why, I'd bet you could fashion a Venn diagram, one circle labeled Amnesty Opponents, the other Chamber of Commerce Endorsed Candidates ..... and there'd be no overlap.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 01:00 AM (QDnY+)

401 When, if checks are cut to the families.....where's that money really coming from?

What the fuck.

Posted by: at August 03, 2016 12:58 AM (O+BRt)

Floating a bond that the families children and grandchildren will pay by working the fields.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 03, 2016 01:00 AM (P/kVC)

402 397 Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 12:59 AM (mFkVC)

Last time I checked Trump is 1/3 a healthy US Government.....

maybe the GOP congress would find its balls and its constitutional powers again tiger.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:01 AM (SzZnW)

403 You must be the first person here who isn't down on Windows 10. I use it every day and I like it.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 03, 2016 01:01 AM (VdICR)

404 Three basic reasons. "Establishment" was too powerful/shameless to be
forced to improve. Several Tea Party types were yuuuuuge
disappointments - quickly. And ..... there was no after-shock, in the
form of important incumbents being primaried in 2012 or 2014 (Cantor
proved to be a freak exception, tragically).

==============

You forgot Lois Lerner.

Posted by: mrp at August 03, 2016 01:01 AM (JBggj)

405 So a TP guy who fought leadership and the Dems was beaten by a GOPe whore is a good thing? All because he didn't like Trump? I don't agree with that.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at August 03, 2016 12:57 AM (hVdx9)

This is the nature of a cult of personality. All value is determined relative to the Leader. It's not what we typically think of as "American."

And I never posted here under any name other than person.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:01 AM (mFkVC)

406 Genetic diseases are horrid. Keep that in mind the next time you hear some bioethics type preaching against "designer children" and "playing God". Genetics interventions can mean fewer kids dying with absolutely no hope.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2016 12:55 AM (noWW6)

Yeah, I'll keep that in mind when the reality of children being aborted for not having desirable traits becomes the norm.
Sorry. That will be the fact of it.

Like having abortions in general be RARE, safe and legal.
Exclusions to protect the life of the mother, etc. etc.

I get what you're saying but I also know human behavior.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 03, 2016 01:02 AM (kKHcp)

407 400 Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 01:00 AM (QDnY+)

As I said Paul Ryan is smiling....he is getting closer to GOP amnesty.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:02 AM (SzZnW)

408 Trump wants bigger government. He wants more power centralized in the executive. He wants more government programs. He rarely mentions freedom and liberty and he never mentions federalism.

This is not conjecture. He has said as much repeatedly and I doubt he'd deny it if asked.

What kind of Constitutionalism do you think Trump stands for?

Posted by: person
****

And what kind do you think Hillary wants? She has declared she will issue a presidential order (illegally) banning firearms, and that's just for starters. Like it or not It is Trump vs. Hillary. You don't have to like Trump, but he is not worse than Hillary in any way, shape, or form.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at August 03, 2016 01:02 AM (hVdx9)

409 Just hope HAL lets you in!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 03, 2016 12:55 AM (IqV8l)

Last time I visited HAL I dropped the butt flap and left a steaming pile for him to sing "Daisy" to.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at August 03, 2016 01:02 AM (G12IS)

410 Hold my beer, I'm gonna jump the Snake river Canyon,
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby

Wait!

Posted by: Melon Usk, Rocket Bike Mfr at August 03, 2016 01:02 AM (8GNw0)

411 Ugghhh, too tired to deal with the paid dnc trolls, so I shall bid you all a good night.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 03, 2016 01:02 AM (hscyr)

412 Paul Ryan should have the courage of his convictions and say he doesn't need any Trump voters' votes either....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:42 AM (SzZnW

He did. I read it at Hot Gas, I think.

Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 01:03 AM (hgBpU)

413 Nite bebe.

Time for some zzzz also.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at August 03, 2016 01:03 AM (Fn31u)

414 And I never posted here under any name other than person.
Posted by: person

So how did you find AoSHQ?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:04 AM (8GNw0)

415 Last time I checked Trump is 1/3 a healthy US Government.....

maybe the GOP congress would find its balls and its constitutional powers again tiger.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:01 AM (SzZnW)
----------

You realize that, over the course of the 20th century, the power of the Executive has increased dramatically in relation to the two other branches, particularly the legislative? To reverse this would require a major, sustained, and probably ugly effort.

You expect a load of politicians elected in a "Trump wave" - that is, a wave in support of a man who whines and attacks at any sign of disloyalty - to turn around and try to pry power from him?

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:05 AM (mFkVC)

416 408 Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at August 03, 2016 01:02 AM (hVdx9)

Correct any politician from *our* sarc side who cannot stop Hillary is dead to me, and they could be Alexander Hamilton's understudy for all I care.....

Gram will finish off "changing the game forever" we will look back fondly on the "arch conservative congresses of 2009-2017" then....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:06 AM (SzZnW)

417 What kind of Constitutionalism do you think Trump stands for?

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 12:59 AM (mFkVC)

I don't even fucking care at this point. I want the Hildebeast out of my life forever. We can finally dispose of her once and for all.

Trump can be dealt with later if need be. One tyrant at a time.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 01:06 AM (Idu2i)

418 374
Of interest to certain elder gods:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hsz3cdo

SFW

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 03, 2016 12:49 AM (T/cxb)

Already have it on the way....

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 01:06 AM (EzgxV)

419 415 Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:05 AM (mFkVC)

No I had no idea at all that the executive branch has usurped all power under the guise of the Cold War....

never have I written a thing about it....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:07 AM (SzZnW)

420 Joanne you misunderstood my comment. Not being excited is a sarcastic way of saying "don't like".

The article I cited speculated that precisely the sort of behavior by McCarthy/leadership that you mention, in this case, may result in unleashing the Freedom Caucus to oppose incumbents.

That would be good - I think. In a subsequent comment I laid out how disappointing the post-2010 course of events had been.

We want - precisely - the same things to happen.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 01:07 AM (QDnY+)

421
So how did you find AoSHQ?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:04 AM (8GNw0)

I've read this sight and lurked on these boards for years, since before the Romney wars at least. I found Ace to be perhaps the most trenchant Conservative commentator online.

The Trumpening induced me to comment.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:07 AM (mFkVC)

422 392 377 Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 12:52 AM (Z+1Ng)

If 1/2 of my father's circle of peers who have not voted since 1996 turn out there will be a wave.

There are a lot of pissed off union boys who backed Reagan who felt betrayed by Bush on NAFTA who have been dying for someone who attacks it.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:57 AM (SzZnW

Realinements and so far a bloodless revolution. Interesting times to be alive, unless you are an incumbent

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 01:08 AM (Z+1Ng)

423 You expect a load of politicians elected in a "Trump wave" - that is, a
wave in support of a man who whines and attacks at any sign of
disloyalty - to turn around and try to pry power from him?
======================

I look at Paul Ryan and I see a guy who submitted a spending bill that exceeded the amount Obama had requested. By a lot.

Posted by: mrp at August 03, 2016 01:08 AM (JBggj)

424 412 Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 01:03 AM (hgBpU)

Good, because Paul Ryan is my new Eric "no not Mickey I swear" Cantor....

and I will spend money in 2018 to beat him by (-r) if possible and by (-d) if need be.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:08 AM (SzZnW)

425 374
Of interest to certain elder gods:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hsz3cdo

Posted by: Blanco Basura

Even better than I had imagined.

Still, there is an ultimate Peenutz parody out there somewhere just waiting to be made.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:09 AM (8GNw0)

426 I don't even fucking care at this point. I want the Hildebeast out of my life forever. We can finally dispose of her once and for all.

Trump can be dealt with later if need be. One tyrant at a time.

Never thought of it quite that way. Works for me.

Posted by: eleven at August 03, 2016 01:09 AM (qUNWi)

427 426 Posted by: eleven at August 03, 2016 01:09 AM (qUNWi)

I want Trump to win in a wave.....and if need be I would be thrilled to have the GOP impeach his ass.....

*that* is how Yuge a fan I am.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:10 AM (SzZnW)

428
397
Yes I want a Trump wave....ideally with a GOP who uses it for something other than trough filling this time tiger.

You know I have more posts than ANYONE here the last 9 years and let
me tell you something about 1/3d of them dealt with the US Constitution
and how we were burning it up....

You know what I did not see a lot of?

These sudden US Con SUPERFANS' favorite pols doing sweet fuckall about Obama.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 12:54 AM (SzZnW)

Trump wants bigger government. He wants more power centralized in
the executive. He wants more government programs. He rarely mentions
freedom and liberty and he never mentions federalism.

This is not conjecture. He has said as much repeatedly and I doubt he'd deny it if asked.

What kind of Constitutionalism do you think Trump stands for?

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 12:59 AM (mFkVC)

I think he stands for "fuck you" constitutionalism when it comes to our ruling elites -- and, after 8 years of Obama, I'll take that with a smile.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 01:11 AM (EzgxV)

429 301 In other news... Warren Buffet Endorses Hillary.

and also warren buffets son is on the board of directors of the commission for the presidential debates.

queen vagina jesus sure knows how to pick her friends.

Posted by: shibumi who now just wants to yell at stupid people at August 03, 2016 12:17 AM (tvyXw)

Like Hills was totally serious about hitting Wall Street / transnationalists in her acceptance speech.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 03, 2016 12:19 AM (P/kVC)

Buffet is a Democrat.

The debates are stacked in favor of the Democrats, the last 3 elections have seen the debates moderated by employees of:

PBS 5 times
ABC 2 tmes
CBS 3 times
NBC 1 time
CNN 1 time
Fox 0 times

The number one news channel gets no moderators because they are "biased", but PBS with Gwen Iffel and their "unbiased" reporting gets 5.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at August 03, 2016 01:13 AM (1JnAL)

430 I look at Paul Ryan and I see a guy who submitted a spending bill that exceeded the amount Obama had requested. By a lot.
Posted by: mrp at August 03, 2016 01:08 AM (JBggj)

So you expect Trump to cut spending? By magically eliminating "waste and fraud?"

Look, voting for Trump to stop Clinton, I get that. But if Trump wins he defines the party for a decade or more. We get two big-government authoritarian parties. He controls the electoral apparatus and is dominant throughout most of "conservative" media. This is a huge shift.

Quite honestly, I've lived through several liberal administrations. I haven't lived through a total party realignment that eliminates even lip service for Constitutionalism and Reagan Republicanism.

Believe it or not, I'm not voting for Clinton or Trump. But I don't think its as clear which candidate, looking back in 35 years, will be worse for the country.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:14 AM (mFkVC)

431 The rather monomaniacal Trump elements elsewhere are seeing a possible wave against anti-Trump incumbents - including Ryan - in this KS primary result.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 12:50 AM (QDnY+)

That's a possibility. I think the entire Freedom Caucus supported Cruz.

Here's the entire article at Conservative Review if you're interested.

http://tinyurl.com/zw788oz

Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 01:14 AM (hgBpU)

432 Already have it on the way....

What madness is this?

Oh, right.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 03, 2016 01:16 AM (T/cxb)

433 Believe it or not, I'm not voting for Clinton or
Trump. But I don't think its as clear which candidate, looking back in
35 years, will be worse for the country.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:14 AM (mFkVC)

And Belgium was neutral in WWII.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 03, 2016 01:16 AM (P/kVC)

434 430 Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:14 AM (mFkVC)

Right you are voting for Johnson....b/c America needs to be stoned in this turbulent time.

Look I get it you think Orange Toupee Weasel is the worst thing ever.

I disagree I know it is Gram and Huma....

you do what you will, I've resolved to do what I must.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:16 AM (SzZnW)

435 Believe it or not, I'm not voting for Clinton or Trump. But I don't
think its as clear which candidate, looking back in 35 years, will be
worse for the country.
============

A vote for not-Trump is a vote for Clinton. One of them will be the next president.

Posted by: mrp at August 03, 2016 01:17 AM (JBggj)

436 Believe it or not, I'm not voting for Clinton or Trump.

Why aren't you voting for Clinton?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 03, 2016 01:17 AM (VdICR)

437 That's a possibility. I think the entire Freedom Caucus supported Cruz.

Here's the entire article at Conservative Review if you're interested.

http://tinyurl.com/zw788oz
Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 01:14 AM (hgBpU)

What GOP office holders have not criticized Trump over the last month? I believe even Christie, Hunter, Gingrich, and Sessions chastised him today or yesterday.

Who do you think Trump hates more, Cruz or Clinton?

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:17 AM (mFkVC)

438 Ashley I've said ever since it became clear T-Rump would be the nominee that it was at best 50/50 that Hillary would deign to do the "debates".

Oh - but you all instantly (reasonably) react with skepticism ....

A major party candidate ducking these TV events that have been a fixture in presidential elections for decades now?

Yes.

Get out of your time machines you borrowed from ace, and come back to 2016.

In recent cycles we've had the country's most famous newspaper refuse to even print an op-ed by the GOP nominee. We've had a Dem spurn public funding and flaunt his campaign's fundraising violations in the country's face - the same candidate who effing opened his campaign in ..... a foreign country. Now we have an incumbent pres. publicly campaigning (first time in modern history), to include declaring one candidate unfit - on an overseas trip, in an official setting. These are just a few of dozens of things that would have been unthinkable, most of my life. Instant political death, or at least major damage.

Now?

Hillary is the first candidate in modern history to *hide from the electorate* as part of her campaign.

I say if she agrees to all three "debates", it's a near-sure sign of panic based on internal polling.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 01:19 AM (QDnY+)

439 437 Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:17 AM (mFkVC)

Who is on the ballot against him Tiger?

Memo to the Cruz Feyadeen....

our guy lost....you can come out of the cave now the war is over time to fight the OTHER infidel.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:19 AM (SzZnW)

440 Who do you think Trump hates more, Cruz or Clinton?
Posted by: person

The GOPe.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:19 AM (8GNw0)

441 372 I've read one brief pro-Huelskamp comment claim the winner, Roger Marshall, was a CoC 'establishment' candidate but I don't know if that's accurate or (as several NeverTrump trolls here often claim) that the GOP establishment is now 'supporting' Trump so that makes any pro-Trump candidate a GOPe establishment one that's clearly untrue.

Posted by: andycanuck

This is the stupidest comment I've read in a long time.

So, a real conservative, a member of the Freedom Caucus, that has fought the leadership assholes in the house and is considered one of the "good guys" is now considered an insider elitist? Is that the twisted logic now?

Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 12:49 AM (hgBpU)

++++

Huelskamp was an irritant to the House leadership, both now to Ryan and before to Boehner. He didn't play nice with the GOPe, so they were happy to see him lose. But, Huelskamp was also very anti Trump. Said he wouldn't let his nine year old watch TV if Trump was on.

It made no sense for him to alienate Trump's supporters that way. Politically stupid. If things had come to pass that both Trump and Huelskamp were both elected, no doubt Huelskamp would disagree on some issues, and it would make sense for Huelskamp to stick to his principles and oppose Trump. But for a guy that is already on the wrong side of the Ryan camp to go out of his way to make enemies of the Trump camp was just stupid.

The Conservative Treehouse has a video of Huelskamp debating Newt about Trump:
http://tinyurl.com/gt7uyvy

Posted by: Alf at August 03, 2016 01:20 AM (R+30W)

442 Why aren't you voting for Clinton?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 03, 2016 01:17 AM (VdICR)

I've loathed Clinton since she first appeared on the scene. And honestly, I can't say with %100 certainty which candidate would be worse for the country in the long run. I don't think anyone else can, either. Most days I lead towards Trump doing more long-term damage, for reasons I outline above. In short, I can't in good conscious vote for either.

I'm not voting Johnson. I'm voting down ticket.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:21 AM (mFkVC)

443 Believe it or not, I'm not voting for Clinton or Trump. But I don't think its as clear which candidate, looking back in 35 years, will be worse for the country.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:14 AM (mFkVC)

If you can't see the Beast is far worse than Trump, there's no hope for you.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 01:21 AM (Idu2i)

444 Who do you think Trump hates more, Cruz or Clinton?

No question. Cruz.

Posted by: Weirddave at August 03, 2016 01:21 AM (N8hFs)

445 KITTIEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!

Posted by: DynamiteDan at August 03, 2016 01:22 AM (kGggu)

446 I've always maintained I like the idea of Trump, the man is just the messanger. Never been a fan of the man, but the message he sends I love because it is America First instead of foreign interests and overloards.

The Uniparty republican wing along with the Clinton/Obama wing from the democrat wing poured gas on this dying flame the last 10 years.

It is now or never. Hillary wins and the country, the idea
Is dead.

Like I said, it is a terrible time to be an incumbent.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 01:22 AM (Z+1Ng)

447 440
Who do you think Trump hates more, Cruz or Clinton?

Posted by: person

The GOPe.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:19 AM (8GNw0)

I think Trump, himself, is an affable person who could get along with either....but he understands that the people he represents utterly loathe and despise the GOPe. And I think he's too good a businessman to let his customers feel screwed.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 01:23 AM (EzgxV)

448 444 Posted by: Weirddave at August 03, 2016 01:21 AM (N8hFs)

Good thing Cruz is not on the ballot then eh?

I detest how trump won, but win he did and all the Cruz Feyadeen should send a thank you through the USPS to John "Dick" Kasich my governor....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:23 AM (SzZnW)

449
The GOPe.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:19 AM (8GNw0)

You mean the guys who silenced Mike Lee at the convention and ripped up the rules to ensure a smooth coronation? The faction within the party that is offering him the greatest support?

Look, Trump hates pretty much every Republican. He views them with the disdain of a lifelong New York Democrat and a maniacal narcissist. If he loses, he will spend the rest of his life trying to destroy any Republican, establishment or not.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:24 AM (mFkVC)

450 Joanne you misunderstood my comment. Not being excited is a sarcastic way of saying "don't like".

The article I cited speculated that precisely the sort of behavior by McCarthy/leadership that you mention, in this case, may result in unleashing the Freedom Caucus to oppose incumbents.

That would be good - I think. In a subsequent comment I laid out how disappointing the post-2010 course of events had been.

We want - precisely - the same things to happen.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 01:07 AM (QDnY+)

Ugh, sorry, I read it the wrong way.

Have discussed the demise of the Tea Party many times with my sister. Seemed everything ended when the various groups filed with the IRS my sister says they got greedy), Beck flipped out, Palin vanished, and Andrew Brietbart died.

Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 01:25 AM (hgBpU)

451 Maet thank you for the kitteh pic.
they look so very sad.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:25 AM (EAnQi)

452 449 Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:24 AM (mFkVC)

Good I may volunteer to help him....

A GOP that can't be assed to stand in opposition to the 2d Saul Alinsky trained asshole in a row doesn't deserve to live.

Period.

This is it.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:26 AM (SzZnW)

453 Look, Trump hates pretty much every Republican. He views them with the disdain of a lifelong New York Democrat and a maniacal narcissist. If he loses, he will spend the rest of his life trying to destroy any Republican, establishment or not.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:24 AM (mFkVC)

Well I hate most Republicans these days too, being the spineless RINO scum that they are.

So if the Donald destroys some of them, I say good for him.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 01:26 AM (Idu2i)

454 Hmmm. Might be time to go check that thread on Federal small pistol primers and why they've been impossible to find for 6 months.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 01:26 AM (QDnY+)

455 408 Trump wants bigger government. He wants more power centralized in the executive. He wants more government programs. He rarely mentions freedom and liberty and he never mentions federalism.

This is not conjecture. He has said as much repeatedly and I doubt he'd deny it if asked.

What kind of Constitutionalism do you think Trump stands for?

*****

He is still better than Hullary. This goes for 99.99% of all issues.

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:27 AM (s6X53)

456 451
Maet thank you for the kitteh pic.
they look so very sad.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:25 AM (EAnQi)

Howdy, chemjeff, how's it going? Do you have any summertime special projects this year?

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 01:27 AM (EzgxV)

457 Look, voting for Trump to stop Clinton, I get that. But if Trump wins he defines the party for a decade or more. We get two big-government authoritarian parties. He controls the electoral apparatus and is dominant throughout most of "conservative" media. This is a huge shift.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:14 AM (mFkVC)

This is all just hysterical. Trump could never be as big-government authoritarian as the current GOP leadership has been for the past decade so stop with the histrionics. You love to make all sorts of claims about what Trump WILL BE without any foundation for your musings or any reasons, other than you want to yell and scream about "Trump, the Fascist!!!", basically.

Come on. It's just getting silly to hear this stuff over and over. You must be feeling silly making these baseless claims over and over. Pretty much none of what you said above is true or even related to the truth.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 03, 2016 01:27 AM (zc3Db)

458 446 I've always maintained I like the idea of Trump, the man is just the messanger. Never been a fan of the man, but the message he sends I love because it is America First instead of foreign interests and overloards.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 01:22 AM (Z+1Ng)

You might want to look up his views on American Exceptionalism. He expresses them pretty openly. He discussed them in Texas right before entering the race and in a response to Putin's oped in the NYT in 2013, I believe.

Oh, and seriously? The America First thing really does carry historical connotations. Another phrase might be preferable.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:28 AM (mFkVC)

459 450 Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 01:25 AM (hgBpU)

Beck going insane hurt the movement a LOT, the GOPe killed Palin more than the Donks, and Breitbart would be pissed off so many people lost heart with his leaving the stage....

of course I have an unpopular opinion on the efficacy of the Post Andrew Breitbart brand and the moles it has harbored.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:28 AM (SzZnW)

460 I've loathed Clinton since she first appeared on the scene. And honestly, I can't say with %100 certainty which candidate would be worse for the country in the long run. I don't think anyone else can, either.
Posted by: person

Which candidate left +30 Americans to die in a Libyan desert in 2011?

Which candidate can't account for $6billion dollars missing from State Department accounts?

Which candidate signed off on the control of mineral reserves of uranium to a private investor that donated to a Global Initiative?

Which candidate broke almost every law, rule, and policy in state's secrecy, intelligence, and sworn duty to protect?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:28 AM (8GNw0)

461 Lauren I'm not a praying kind of person but I do hope your friend's child gets well soon

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:29 AM (EAnQi)

462 451 Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:25 AM (EAnQi)

Not half as sad as Malaria Obama looked when she got off Marine One the other day....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:29 AM (SzZnW)

463 America First- Fist for the Rest

I like it.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 03, 2016 01:29 AM (P/kVC)

464 Well I hate most Republicans these days too, being the spineless RINO scum that they are.

So if the Donald destroys some of them, I say good for him.
Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 01:26 AM (Idu2i)

Who replaces the RINO scum?

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:30 AM (mFkVC)

465 459
450 Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 01:25 AM (hgBpU)

Beck
going insane hurt the movement a LOT, the GOPe killed Palin more than
the Donks, and Breitbart would be pissed off so many people lost heart
with his leaving the stage....

of course I have an unpopular opinion on the efficacy of the Post Andrew Breitbart brand and the moles it has harbored.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:28 AM (SzZnW)

AFAIK, O'Keefe and Milo are keeping the flame lit. Not like Andrew, our glorious lion.....but it still sheds light.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 01:30 AM (EzgxV)

466 Look, Trump hates pretty much every Republican. He views them with the disdain of a lifelong New York Democrat and a maniacal narcissist. If he loses, he will spend the rest of his life trying to destroy any Republican, establishment or not.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:24 AM (mFkVC)

More baseless histrionics. I am beginning to think that you really don't pass the Turing Test. It's just the same made-up democrat/Vichy GOP BS again and again.

The nic "person" is seeming to be a case of "the lady doth protest too much, methinks" ... which is making me feel a bit silly ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 03, 2016 01:30 AM (zc3Db)

467 What kind of Constitutionalism do you think Trump stands for?

++++

The kind where we have a country with a meaningful border.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 03, 2016 01:31 AM (R+30W)

468 And Belgium was neutral in WWII.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 03, 2016 01:16 AM (P/kVC)

So was Poland.

Posted by: The Doormat Of Europe at August 03, 2016 01:31 AM (vBeA5)

469 The GOPe.
==================

I think the use of the word "hate" is provocative. Trump doesn't seem like a 'hater' to me. But he's a brawler and I think his current target is the MSM.

Trump is a celebrity. He knows how to work the press to get good coverage. But now he's in a political existential campaign where the normal press/celebrity rules no long apply, and he's staring at the MSM mailed fist for the first time.

Obama and Clinton have assembled a formidable front of powerful financial interests that wield their force through the popular culture and the conventional news media. Crony capitalists have a lot on the line and a lot to lose if Trump wins.

Posted by: mrp at August 03, 2016 01:31 AM (JBggj)

470 I think Cruz's stunt at the convention had a lot to do with this primary. 14% is an ass kicking only an alienated unchanged would lose by considering they were tied on July 24Th.

Cruz set fire to the conservative wing of the GOP with his stunt at the RNC.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 01:31 AM (Z+1Ng)

471 464 Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:30 AM (mFkVC)

The "newer better Americans" they'll have helped import en masse....

no biggie "we all value the same principles" after all right?

You think I care what comes after the traitors to the cause go "bye bye?"

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:31 AM (SzZnW)

472 If Hillary wins we have amnesty. That means 10-15 million new citizens of whom 9-14 million will vote straight "D" for life. Which means no Republican will win more than 150 EVs for the next 50 years. Which means for 2-3 generations every single SCOTUS justice will be a leftist.

No matter what you may think of Trump, think of this as well before playing the "trump isn't conservatuve enough for me so I will not vote for him" game.

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:32 AM (s6X53)

473 The "newer better Americans" they'll have helped import en masse....

no biggie "we all value the same principles" after all right?

You think I care what comes after the traitors to the cause go "bye bye?"
Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:31 AM (SzZnW)

So you want to kick out the RINOs and you don't care who replaces them? You'd be fine with a Democrat taking each of their seats?

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:33 AM (mFkVC)

474 I've loathed Clinton since she first appeared on the scene. And honestly, I can't say with %100 certainty which candidate would be worse for the country in the long run. I don't think anyone else can, either. Most days I lead towards Trump doing more long-term damage, for reasons I outline above. In short, I can't in good conscious vote for either.

I'm not voting Johnson. I'm voting down ticket.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:21 AM (mFkVC)

Person, I always agree with you 100%. But, all I'm asking is that if the race seems close where you live, to really, really, really reconsider voting for (ugh, can't believe I'm going to say this) Trump.

You know what I'm more afraid of then letting a gazillion muslims into this country? Hiring a gazillion muslims to work in a Democrat administration, infiltrating every agency, crevice, and hole in the federal government. The Democrats will let the monster in on the inside and that scares me more than anything.

Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 01:33 AM (hgBpU)

475 Americans have invented enough things in the past 100 years, that people in Europe and Asia ought to believe in American Exceptionalism almost as much as I do.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 03, 2016 01:34 AM (VdICR)

476 but beating Hillary is my prime concern

Which is more important, defeating Hillary, or defeating the ideas that Hillary espouses?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:35 AM (EAnQi)

477 I penned this to "MattSE" over there....

No sugarbumps here is how it goes.
I have voted for 26 years
for the GOP period. I have never voted for a democrat in my life not
even an unopposed one. When you Nevertrump Democrat Defacto Operatives
hand the nation to an Alinskyite Marxist for the 8th through 12th year
you *may* hold the House and the Senate by inertia though I doubt it....
but I swear to God on the Altar that in 2018 I will vote straight ticket D since you will have taught me that tantrums work.
I
voted in 1996 for a man who belonged in the Senate, I voted in 2000 for
a man more moderate fiscally than I could stomach and did it again in
04, I voted in 2008 for another asshole Democrat supplicating Senate
clown I loathe only slightly less than Obama and watched the 2012
candidate essentially refuse to hit Obama as hard as he hit primary
opponents.
This is not a threat it is a promise, I will make it my
mission to empower the craziest democrat I can get my hands on at the
Ohio Democrat level.....
La Raza ideally, Nation of Islam if need be.
Payback is my due for you clowns refusing to return what was given the last 1/4 century.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:35 AM (SzZnW)

478 476 Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:35 AM (EAnQi)

Bwahaha yes by ensuring she gets elected we will defeat Hillaryism rather than you know ensure it is enforced LITERALLY through courts and law enforcement at gunpoint....

You keep on being you Jeff.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:36 AM (SzZnW)

479 That's it? Kittehs? All I'm hearing is about "The Trump Effect. The Trump Effect!111!!" Yet, Republicans are doing better than usual out heah on the left coast. Hmmm. The "Clinton Effect"?

Posted by: starboardhelm at August 03, 2016 01:36 AM (hOtJL)

480

Which is more important, defeating Hillary, or defeating the ideas that Hillary espouses?

********

So you defeat Hillary's ideas by defeating Trump which allows Hillary to implement her ideas. Dude that's like 134 dimensional chess. I love it.

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:37 AM (s6X53)

481 Good thing Cruz is not on the ballot then eh?

I detest how trump
won, but win he did and all the Cruz Feyadeen should send a thank you
through the USPS to John "Dick" Kasich my governor....

All I said was that I think Trump hates Cruz more than Clinton. That is a simple statement that stands alone, I made no comment about the primaries or the general or anything else.

Posted by: Weirddave at August 03, 2016 01:37 AM (N8hFs)

482 472 If Hillary wins we have amnesty. That means 10-15 million new citizens of whom 9-14 million will vote straight "D" for life. Which means no Republican will win more than 150 EVs for the next 50 years. Which means for 2-3 generations every single SCOTUS justice will be a leftist.

No matter what you may think of Trump, think of this as well before playing the "trump isn't conservatuve enough for me so I will not vote for him" game.
Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:32 AM (s6X53)
------------------

So we need to elect the big-government leftist to prevent people coming into the country who might vote for a big-government leftist?

And we will have a liberal president in the future. If not now, in 4 years, or in 8. What will stop them from bringing in an amnesty? Walls go down faster then they go up.

If one more liberal administration will destroy the nation, we're already doomed. I don't believe we are that weak.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:37 AM (mFkVC)

483 You know what I'm more afraid of then letting a
gazillion muslims into this country? Hiring a gazillion muslims to work
in a Democrat administration, infiltrating every agency, crevice, and
hole in the federal government. The Democrats will let the monster in
on the inside and that scares me more than anything.

Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 01:33 AM (hgBpU)

If there was an immediate counter?
A candidate, maybe Trump, could ask why the Muslim Brotherhood is not recognized as a terrorist organization like in many other countries around the world...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 03, 2016 01:38 AM (P/kVC)

484 473 Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:33 AM (mFkVC)

It'd be more honest.

I do not want my political party sullied with people who want to give 85% of the goodies at 97.975% of the price....

sorry sucks to be the GOP in 2018 if they fuck this up.

Time to shit or get off the pot.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:38 AM (SzZnW)

485 Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:36 AM (SzZnW)

You didn't answer my question. So let me make it clearer.

If, on a particular issue, both Hillary and Trump espouse the same position, then what is the point of defeating Hillary in favor of Trump?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:38 AM (EAnQi)

486 Which is more important, defeating Hillary, or defeating the ideas that Hillary espouses?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:35 AM (EAnQi)

As I said above, one tyrant at a time if necessary.

Hillary first, then her ideas.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 01:38 AM (Idu2i)

487 Which is more important, defeating Hillary, or defeating the ideas that Hillary espouses?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:35 AM (EAnQi)

The actual, first.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 03, 2016 01:39 AM (P/kVC)

488 starboardhelm (like that nic), where exactly on the left coast (i.e., within 50 miles of the mean high-tide line) have you found Republicans? And how are they doing well?

There is a huge swath of that coast that is, literally, a one-party state (to the extent that many voters will not even see a Repub to vote for, should they care to, for certain offices).

Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 01:39 AM (QDnY+)

489 481 Posted by: Weirddave at August 03, 2016 01:37 AM (N8hFs)

and I am pointing out, if Cruz keeps his mouth shut Duh Donald will chase the shiny piece of tinfoil Dave....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:39 AM (SzZnW)

490 So you defeat Hillary's ideas by defeating Trump
which allows Hillary to implement her ideas. Dude that's like 134
dimensional chess. I love it.

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:37 AM (s6X53)
No.
You don't endorse leftist ideas, whether they come from a (D) candidate or whether they come from an (R) candidate.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:39 AM (EAnQi)

491 OK, ONT's gone to shit again.

G'night everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 03, 2016 01:40 AM (T/cxb)

492 458 446 I've always maintained I like the idea of Trump, the man is just the messanger. Never been a fan of the man, but the message he sends I love because it is America First instead of foreign interests and overloards.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 01:22 AM (Z+1Ng)

You might want to look up his views on American Exceptionalism. He expresses them pretty openly. He discussed them in Texas right before entering the race and in a response to Putin's oped in the NYT in 2013, I believe.

Oh, and seriously? The America First thing really does carry historical connotations. Another phrase might be preferable.
Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:28 AM (mFkVC

American Interests (main street) first is preferable to something else?!??!

You may want to pick up that mask that just fell off. Your Muslim Brotherhood love disguised as free and open markets has been exposed.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 01:40 AM (Z+1Ng)

493 Which is more important, defeating Hillary, or defeating the ideas that Hillary espouses?
Posted by: chemjeff

Hillary is a certainty.

Turnip is a toss up.

To put it in stark, metaphorical terms; you're locked in a room and forced to play russian roulette.

There are two revolvers in front of you.

One revolver is loaded 6 bullets in 6 chambers.

One is loaded 3 bullets in 6 chambers.

Which do you choose?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:40 AM (8GNw0)

494 At least my kids will get free college with Hillary, right? And I get free health care. And since guns will be banned think of all the money I'll save on no longer buying ammo. And in an effort to fight global warming gas will be $12 a gallon which means I won't drive anymore and take the bus instead, saving thousands a year.

She'll be awesome.

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:40 AM (s6X53)

495
Hillary first, then her ideas.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 01:38 AM (Idu2i)
You have it backwards, IMO. You defeat the ideas wherever they occur.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:41 AM (EAnQi)

496 485 Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:38 AM (EAnQi)

1-3 SCotUS picks, control of the military, and frankly accountability to the press.

Gram has none, Trump will bathe in it after waking up in a bed of it.

Jeff I want Trump to beat her, and ideally if need be to be impeached by the GOP.

Gram is evil.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:41 AM (SzZnW)

497 Fell asleep and woke up.
I see it's not November 9th

Ugh

Nite morons

Posted by: Mis. Hum. at August 03, 2016 01:41 AM (voOPb)

498 Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:40 AM (8GNw0)

False choice. There are more than two names on the ballot.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:41 AM (EAnQi)

499 and I am pointing out, if Cruz keeps his mouth shut Duh Donald will chase the shiny piece of tinfoil Dave....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:39 AM (SzZnW)

-------------

Trump hates. He hates for years. He was attacking Cruz long after Indiana. Trump feels he is entitled to submission, and he will whine until he gets it.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:41 AM (mFkVC)

500 Look, Trump hates pretty much every Republican.
Posted by: person

Your evidence proving that is?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:41 AM (8GNw0)

501 If, on a particular issue, both Hillary and Trump espouse the same position, then what is the point of defeating Hillary in favor of Trump?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:38 AM (EAnQi)

Two things:

1) are you really gonna start in with this again?

2) nice to see you back anyways.

So what if it's ONE? We know they don't agree on plenty.

Hillary will destroy us. Trump will leave us alone, even if he ends up being a big government guy.

Case closed.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 01:42 AM (Idu2i)

502 Bing "the Trump Effect" : 12,000,000 results, almost all negative.

Bing "the Clinton Effect" " 16,400,000 results, almost all positive (except the Bill ones).

What a pile of bovine nutrient.

Posted by: starboardhelm at August 03, 2016 01:42 AM (hOtJL)

503 Beck going insane hurt the movement a LOT, the GOPe killed Palin more than the Donks, and Breitbart would be pissed off so many people lost heart with his leaving the stage....

of course I have an unpopular opinion on the efficacy of the Post Andrew Breitbart brand and the moles it has harbored.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:28 AM (SzZnW)

Yup.

Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 01:42 AM (hgBpU)

504 You have it backwards, IMO. You defeat the ideas wherever they occur.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:41 AM (EAnQi)

Cut off the head first.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 01:43 AM (Idu2i)

505 False choice. There are more than two names on the ballot.
Posted by: chemjeff

Nope.

Only 1 of 2 will be elected. And you know it.

I ask again; 6 in 6 or 3 in 6?

Don't shrink.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:43 AM (8GNw0)

506 Well, looks like my guy didn't show up. Sigh.

In the meantime everyone, thanks for the chat tonight. Happy hump day! :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 03, 2016 01:44 AM (q7T0y)

507 person cashes checks. From whom?

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 01:44 AM (EzgxV)

508 505 Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:43 AM (8GNw0)

I personally play my Putin roulette with a 9mm semi-auto....

why leave the bad outcome to chance?

//Sven with a smoking hole in his temple

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:44 AM (SzZnW)

509 American Interests (main street) first is preferable to something else?!??!

You may want to pick up that mask that just fell off. Your Muslim Brotherhood love disguised as free and open markets has been exposed.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 01:40 AM (Z+1Ng)

--------------------

You may know this, but the America First Committee was an anti-interventionist group - a very prominent one - in the lead up to WWII. It has very negative historical connotations.

Main Street First actually works, I suppose.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:44 AM (mFkVC)

510 Funny thing about the nevertrump people is 1/2 of you think he's a closet leftist the other 1/2 think he's Hitler. Make up your minds

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:44 AM (s6X53)

511 Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 01:42 AM (Idu2i)

1. I clearly didn't start this conversation, by the way.

2. Thank you for your well wishes.

3. On which issues do Trump and Hillary *substantively* disagree? The only ones I can see, are border security and "law and order". On basically every other issue, there is very little *substantive* disagreement between Trump and Hillary.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:45 AM (EAnQi)

512 Trump hates. He hates for years. He was attacking
Cruz long after Indiana. Trump feels he is entitled to submission, and
he will whine until he gets it.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:41 AM (mFkVC)

Yeah, so?

Posted by: BignJames at August 03, 2016 01:45 AM (/D5Lf)

513 Only 1 of 2 will be elected. And you know it.

Yes, that is likely true. I am not forced to vote for either one of them however. That is your false choice fallacy.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:45 AM (EAnQi)

514 Third parties hurt the major party that they most resemble.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 03, 2016 01:45 AM (VdICR)

515 Chuck C, back at #310: ...the "electrician" had used small Hills Brothers coffee cans. Instead of electrical tape or caps - clear packing tape... Needless to say, I didn't change the light fixtures

Yeah, just put the fixtures back up... and back away slowly, praying...

Reminds me of the other best electrical story from that 1910 building in Chicago.

When I first took over managing it, I opened up a long connector box in the basement. Spaghetti and snakes, tightly packed. Wiring nightmare. I closed the box and prayed I never had to deal with it. Although we did about everything else to the place, from furnace to roof, we never had to get into that.

I know this comment isn't quite on-topic with all the political wrangling. Consider it the comic relief moment amidst the screaming.

Posted by: mindful webworker - ZAPpa! at August 03, 2016 01:46 AM (R5V4T)

516 If, on a particular issue, both Hillary and Trump espouse the same position, then what is the point of defeating Hillary in favor of Trump?
______________________
There are numerous particular positions, they certainly don't agree on all of them, likely they agree on very few.

Posted by: BuckIV at August 03, 2016 01:46 AM (CLfqv)

517 You may know this, but the America First Committee was an anti-interventionist group - a very prominent one - in the lead up to WWII. It has very negative historical connotations.

Main Street First actually works, I suppose.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:44 AM (mFkVC)

Who gives a fuck??? This ain't 1938.

I want someone who puts America first in all decisions. Period. Only one candidate will do that.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 01:46 AM (Idu2i)

518 I personally play my Putin roulette with a 9mm semi-auto....

why leave the bad outcome to chance?

//Sven with a smoking hole in his temple
Posted by: sven10077

I'm just playing to the hog-leg crowd, what have no sense of style or capacity.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:47 AM (8GNw0)

519 514 Third parties hurt the major party that they most resemble.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 03, 2016 01:45 AM (VdICR)
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This year all 4 parties are pretty much identical, so I don't know how that's going to work.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:47 AM (mFkVC)

520 3. On which issues do Trump and Hillary *substantively* disagree? The only ones I can see, are border security and "law and order". On basically every other issue, there is very little *substantive* disagreement between Trump and Hillary.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:45 AM (EAnQi)

That's a start.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 01:47 AM (Idu2i)

521 Gary Johnson's VP says his ideal SCOTUS picks would be Breyer types. But yeah Trump is too liberal so vote Libertarian. 134 dimension chess baby

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:48 AM (s6X53)

522 I liked the ONTs that were long long kitteh pictures.

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/,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_
|,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'-o
'---''(_/--' `-'\_)

Posted by: starboardhelm at August 03, 2016 01:49 AM (hOtJL)

523 Ima have to continue this tomorrow. Allegedly I'm getting up early to hit the gym. Yeah that made me chuckle too.

'Night all.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 01:49 AM (Idu2i)

524 499
and I am pointing out, if Cruz keeps his mouth shut Duh Donald will chase the shiny piece of tinfoil Dave....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:39 AM (SzZnW)

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Trump hates. He hates for years. He was attacking Cruz long after
Indiana. Trump feels he is entitled to submission, and he will whine
until he gets it.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:41 AM (mFkVC)

Trump dances with who brung him -- and the great mass of American voters utterly loathe and despise the GOPe....either they've been speaking against progressivism (which is why they're loathed and despised by lefties), or they've been utterly ineffectual in fighting progressivism to the point of being collaborators (which is why they're loathed and despised by righties). By comparison he doesn't seem to hate at all -- he had the Clintons at his wedding.

But he dances with who brung him. Have a care where you throw that hate label around.....there is hate out there.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 01:50 AM (EzgxV)

525 510 Funny thing about the nevertrump people is 1/2 of you think he's a closet leftist the other 1/2 think he's Hitler. Make up your minds

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:44 AM (s6X53)

++++

I'm pro-Trump. But about your math... Hitler was a progressive. A Leftist. A Fascist. A National Socialist. Your two separate halves are one and the same.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 03, 2016 01:50 AM (R+30W)

526 521 Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:48 AM (s6X53)

Heh "a fistful of dollars" meets "a shitboot of Breyers".....

yeah folks Johnson is the answer here.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:50 AM (SzZnW)

527 Yes, that is likely true. I am not forced to vote for either one of them however. That is your false choice fallacy.
Posted by: chemjeff

It's only false if you believe, I mean religiously believe, that there is no difference between the two.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:50 AM (8GNw0)

528 A candidate, maybe Trump, could ask why the Muslim Brotherhood is not recognized as a terrorist organization like in many other countries around the world...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 03, 2016 01:38 AM (P/kVC)

Yeah, well, Trump could point that out, he is the biggest voice in the room.

Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 01:51 AM (hgBpU)

529 Chemjeff, this really isn't going to help you, but I think you should show up more often. I always enjoyed reading your stuff (even when I disagreed). The place could use more dissenting opinions - it seems like a lot of people have fled.

Commence suggestions we are the same person.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:51 AM (mFkVC)

530 520 3. On which issues do Trump and Hillary *substantively* disagree? The only ones I can see, are border security and "law and order". On basically every other issue, there is very little *substantive* disagreement between Trump and Hillary.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:45 AM (EAnQi)

Border security. just a side issue that is in no way important.

15m new Dem voters won't at all have any long lasting effects.

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:51 AM (s6X53)

531 Trump is a Democrat. Always has been, always will be. 70 year old Democrats don't change. He's only being *treated* like a Republican.

Posted by: starboardhelm at August 03, 2016 01:51 AM (hOtJL)

532 I want someone who puts America first in all decisions. Period. Only one candidate will do that.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 01:46 AM (Idu2i)
What does it even mean to "put America first", in any sort of rigorous sense?
Suppose Trump gets his wish and he erects trade barriers with China. So now American manufacturers are benefitted from the trade barriers. But American consumers are harmed by the higher prices that they have to pay. So, do the trade barriers "put America first", or not?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:51 AM (EAnQi)

533 Re: Win 10, Microsoft was an obnoxious whore about it, but I LOVE LOVE LOVE not having to arse around with the right-hand side screen pop-up search bar, and it's very nice to have the start menu back.

Yeah, I know I could've fixed those in 8. But 8 was also being annoying in other ways.

Not too thrilled about the data collection stuff. But then, what data isn't being collected today. (Yes, I know that's a shitty argument, but we do live in rather lazy times, so I doubt anyone who can look up my info actually will, since they're probably busy doing other things that are more interesting. cf. SEC officials watching porn)

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at August 03, 2016 01:51 AM (L54EB)

534 527 Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:50 AM (8GNw0)

The stares Jeff would get on the job mean he cannot bear to pull the lever for Orange Toupee Weasel....

You know who gets to let their freak flag fly at his workplace with no fear of reproach?

The womyn who openly advocate for kermit G to be a trendsetter in "non-natal care."

Yeah "conservative" bastions...

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:52 AM (SzZnW)

535 Border security. just a side issue that is in no way important.

15m new Dem voters won't at all have any long lasting effects.

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:51 AM (s6X53)
I don't disagree that border security is important.
My point is that there are at most 2 issues in which there is *substantive* disagreement between Trump and Hillary. Would you disagree?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:52 AM (EAnQi)

536 511
Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 01:42 AM (Idu2i)

1. I clearly didn't start this conversation, by the way.

2. Thank you for your well wishes.

3.
On which issues do Trump and Hillary *substantively* disagree? The only
ones I can see, are border security and "law and order". On basically
every other issue, there is very little *substantive* disagreement
between Trump and Hillary.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:45 AM (EAnQi)

Heh. How could Cankles not disagree on law and order, being as she's a serial felon who has always skated based on political connections?

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 01:52 AM (EzgxV)

537 and I am pointing out, if Cruz keeps his mouth shut Duh Donald will chase the shiny piece of tinfoil Dave....

AFAIK, Cruz hasn't said boo since the convention. What happened there was Trump's choice. He had the text of speech, he could have sent his people out to incite cheers when the "vote your conscience up and down the ticket" line came up. Doing so would have created the impression of an implied endorsement-of course someone's conscience is going to see me as better than Hillary-and gone a long way towards creating a unified party. Any competent child knows this, when someone makes an ambiguous statement you immediately act as if it favors your position and run with that assumption, thereby setting the narrative. He didn't do that. He sent his people down to the floor to incite boos to teach Cruz a lesson. The former course of action hurts Clinton, the later, Cruz. From this (and other things) I infer that Trump hates Cruz more than Clinton.

Posted by: Weirddave at August 03, 2016 01:53 AM (N8hFs)

538 525 510 Funny thing about the nevertrump people is 1/2 of you think he's a closet leftist the other 1/2 think he's Hitler. Make up your minds

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:44 AM (s6X53)

++++

I'm pro-Trump. But about your math... Hitler was a progressive. A Leftist. A Fascist. A National Socialist. Your two separate halves are one and the same.

Sure but you know what i meant. 1/2 thinks he's far right 1/2 thinks he's far left.

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:53 AM (s6X53)

539 529 Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:51 AM (mFkVC)

No was going to ask when you have ever disagreed with Jeff.....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 01:53 AM (SzZnW)

540 It's only false if you believe, I mean religiously believe, that there is no difference between the two.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:50 AM (8GNw0)
No, that does not follow. I agree that there is a difference between Trump and Hillary. So in your example, even if Trump represents the revolver with 3 bullets, and Hillary represents the revolver with 6 bullets - meaning, they are different - I am nevertheless not forced to play Russian roulette with either one of them.
That is my point.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:54 AM (EAnQi)

541 Oh you poor partisans!
This year all 4 parties are pretty much identical!
From up here all the strife and toil is in vain!
There is no spoon!

*ascends bodily into heaven*

Posted by: Just a Transcendent Dude at August 03, 2016 01:54 AM (VdICR)

542 Heh. How could Cankles not disagree on law and
order, being as she's a serial felon who has always skated based on
political connections?

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 01:52 AM (EzgxV)
True enough.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:55 AM (EAnQi)

543 535 Border security. just a side issue that is in no way important.

15m new Dem voters won't at all have any long lasting effects.

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:51 AM (s6X53)
I don't disagree that border security is important.
My point is that there are at most 2 issues in which there is *substantive* disagreement between Trump and Hillary. Would you disagree?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:52 AM (EAnQi)

Yes I do disagree there is much more different. But assume you are right and that's all these is different. Isn't that enough to make Trump the better choice, all else being equal?

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:55 AM (s6X53)

544 The stares Jeff would get on the job mean he cannot bear to pull the lever for Orange Toupee Weasel....

Posted by: sven10077

Questioning motivation is not only the weakest of argumentation, it just plain loses.

Never do that. You'll lose every debate and every fence-sitter.

I don't care a fig why one makes an argument. It either stands on its merits or is send to bed on its lack there of.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:55 AM (8GNw0)

545 By the way, if anyone is wondering who really benefited from the Kansas primary, Boehner sent out a photo of himself celebrating.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:55 AM (mFkVC)

546 My point is that there are at most 2 issues in which there is *substantive* disagreement between Trump and Hillary. Would you disagree?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:52 AM (EAnQi)

LOL.

Really ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 03, 2016 01:56 AM (zc3Db)

547 515
Chuck C, back at #310: ...the "electrician" had used small Hills
Brothers coffee cans. Instead of electrical tape or caps - clear packing
tape... Needless to say, I didn't change the light fixtures

Yeah, just put the fixtures back up... and back away slowly, praying...

Reminds me of the other best electrical story from that 1910 building in Chicago.

When I first took over managing it, I opened up a long connector box
in the basement. Spaghetti and snakes, tightly packed. Wiring
nightmare. I closed the box and prayed I never had to deal with it.
Although we did about everything else to the place, from furnace to
roof, we never had to get into that.

I know this comment isn't quite on-topic with all the political
wrangling. Consider it the comic relief moment amidst the screaming.

Posted by: mindful webworker - ZAPpa! at August 03, 2016 01:46 AM (R5V4T)

At certain times, it becomes optimal to triple the size of such box, label everything, and assign every wire out to an appropriate breaker......then hide the expense under "landscaping". Because boards are far more liable to question "fix spaghetti wiring" than "seasonal landscaping".

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 01:56 AM (EzgxV)

548 person, thank you. But I must disagree with you that "Trump hates". I don't think he is an irrational hater. I just think he has a very shallow mind and a very thin skin.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:57 AM (EAnQi)

549 No, that does not follow. I agree that there is a
difference between Trump and Hillary. So in your example, even if Trump
represents the revolver with 3 bullets, and Hillary represents the
revolver with 6 bullets - meaning, they are different - I am
nevertheless not forced to play Russian roulette with either one of
them.
That is my point.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:54 AM (EAnQi)

You do not have a choice.

You will play whether you like it or not.

Pick a gun or the guard will pick one for you.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 03, 2016 01:57 AM (P/kVC)

550 Some fantastic news.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/nevertrump-ks-lawmaker-loses-primary-pro-trump-upstart/

He can now go and pull the Hillary lever and feel good about himself.

Posted by: Drider at August 03, 2016 01:58 AM (6Xbsz)

551 548 person, thank you. But I must disagree with you that "Trump hates". I don't think he is an irrational hater. I just think he has a very shallow mind and a very thin skin.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:57 AM (EAnQi)

OK, perhaps "hates" is too strong, but he seems to hold grudges for a very long time.

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:58 AM (mFkVC)

552 over and out

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 03, 2016 01:59 AM (P/kVC)

553 I did know what you meant. But when I see Hitler being tied in with the Right, I like to push back and point out that he was of the Left. Just like when I hear people trying to put the KKK or slavery on the Right, I think it is useful to point out that those were Democrat institutions.

The Left gets away with blaming the Right far too often for their own monsters. Even to the extent that it becomes internalized by some on the Right.

Hitler was a progressive.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 03, 2016 01:59 AM (R+30W)

554 509 American Interests (main street) first is preferable to something else?!??!

You may want to pick up that mask that just fell off. Your Muslim Brotherhood love disguised as free and open markets has been exposed.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 01:40 AM (Z+1Ng)

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You may know this, but the America First Committee was an anti-interventionist group - a very prominent one - in the lead up to WWII. It has very negative historical connotations.

Main Street First actually works, I suppose.
Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:44 AM (mFkVC

We have been intervening on behalf of Muslim expansion for the last 20 years. We are on the side along with Western Europe of the Muslim Brotherhood and their new Caliph and Caliphate in Turkey. Now Islamiats have the second largest military in NATO. We pay for 95% of NATOs costs.

We need to stop intervening by reevaluat___ all trade agreements and get the hell out of NATO. We need to coordinate with Russia to destroy Islamists. They ate our alley in that regard.

We have been infiltrated and ate on the wrong side.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 02:00 AM (Z+1Ng)

555
Yes I do disagree there is much more different.
But assume you are right and that's all these is different. Isn't that
enough to make Trump the better choice, all else being equal?

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 01:55 AM (s6X53)
Only if I thought Trump's difference of opinion with Hillary represented a better choice.
I agree with border security. I do not agree with scapegoating Mexicans or accusing illegals of being rapists and murderers en masse.
I agree with focusing on law and order. I do not agree that Trump has, or ought to have, the power to do what he wants to do, that is, "make America safe" by way of the federal government. I think it would be injurious to the cause of federalism and our liberties. But in fairness to Trump I am willing to look at his detailed plan on what he wants to do to "make America safe", or whatever it was that he promised during his acceptance speech.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:00 AM (EAnQi)

556 No, that does not follow. I agree that there is a difference between Trump and Hillary. So in your example, even if Trump represents the revolver with 3 bullets, and Hillary represents the revolver with 6 bullets - meaning, they are different - I am nevertheless not forced to play Russian roulette with either one of them.
That is my point.
Posted by: chemjeff

The election is a choice whether you elect to vote or not vote.

Not voting is still a choice.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 02:00 AM (8GNw0)

557 You do not have a choice.

Umm, yeah I do. I'm not forced to vote for either Hillary or Donald. I'm not even forced to vote at all.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:01 AM (EAnQi)

558 544 Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 01:55 AM (8GNw0)

It is his motive period.

His angst would be hilarious if and I guess *is* since he managed to allow that PERHAPS being concerned about allowing donkey to import 15 million new socialists *may* be a bad thing hilarious.

I'm leaving for a week or two anyway, I concede Jeff's point I guess in the interest of Horde comity.....

Trump sucks and is WORSE than the Butcher of Benghazi, the way to defeat Hillary's "ideas" is to allow her to pack the court for the next 25 years because "chess"....

whatever.....

Ace had this pegged a month ago, there is a class of theoretically "right leaning" "elites" who simply cannot stand the stares and titters across the faculty lounge or cafeteria or bar.....

I've lived in Aberdeen Maryland, my foster dad is an SES level retiree....

I have spent a lot of time in the swamp known as DC.....

evidently the right cocktail party is a combination of Caligula's court and the film Blow....

I dunno....

I *am* college educated after a fashion, I have moved in circles "high" and "low" NOTHING the liberal shitheads near me were selling or preaching has EVER inspired me to give three fucks about their judgement of my values.....

I guess I should have toughed out those last 75 or so days and gotten my bachelor's of History Ed at Wright State and maybe it would have mattered more?

I doubt it.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:01 AM (SzZnW)

559 The election is a choice whether you elect to vote or not vote.

Not voting is still a choice.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 02:00 AM (8GNw0)
You are correct. So in your example, "not voting" is analogous to refusing to play Russian roulette at all.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:02 AM (EAnQi)

560 Illegals commit about 40% of murders in the 4 border states, Jeff.

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 02:02 AM (s6X53)

561 Or, it's ego.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 02:02 AM (8GNw0)

562 A lot of people feel they are entitled to other people's votes. Isn't that kind of the mistake the GOPe made?

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 02:02 AM (mFkVC)

563 "Umm, yeah I do. I'm not forced to vote for either Hillary or Donald. I'm not even forced to vote at all."

We were't forced to jump into WW2 either but we did and thank God that we did or the outcome would probably have the world looking totally different today.

It's just that simple.

Posted by: Drider at August 03, 2016 02:03 AM (6Xbsz)

564 He can now go and pull the Hillary lever and feel good about himself.

Posted by: Drider at August 03, 2016 01:58 AM (6Xbsz)
Yes, fantastic news indeed. The Tea Party congressman who was a member of the Freedom Caucus, AND fought against the Dems, AND fought against Boehner, was defeated because he did not kneel before Trump. Good news indeed!!!

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:03 AM (EAnQi)

565 You don't have to vote but don't pretend like not voting has no effect. Your non vote carries as much weight as my vote.

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 02:04 AM (s6X53)

566 560
Illegals commit about 40% of murders in the 4 border states, Jeff.

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 02:02 AM (s6X53)
Do you have a citation to back up your claim? I have not heard this one before.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:04 AM (EAnQi)

567 A lot of people feel they are entitled to other people's votes. Isn't that kind of the mistake the GOPe made?
Posted by: person

No, the GOPe pretty much is ok with no ID at voting booths.

Oh, yeah, that's not what you mean.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 02:05 AM (8GNw0)

568 532
I want someone who puts America first in all decisions. Period. Only one candidate will do that.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 03, 2016 01:46 AM (Idu2i)
What does it even mean to "put America first", in any sort of rigorous sense?
Suppose
Trump gets his wish and he erects trade barriers with China. So now
American manufacturers are benefitted from the trade barriers. But
American consumers are harmed by the higher prices that they have to
pay. So, do the trade barriers "put America first", or not?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:51 AM (EAnQi)

The fact is, manufacturing is the easiest type of job to ship overseas. The hardest ones are "in situ" repair and blowjobs. There's over a billion of them in China and 330 million here in the US. Once we outsource manufacturing, remote classrooms, customer service, tech support, R+D, administration, finance, and PR to their billion hungry workers, how many repairmen are we actually going to need? 'Cause the rest of the US has blowjobs or starvation in its future.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 02:05 AM (EzgxV)

569 "Yes, fantastic news indeed. The Tea Party congressman who was a member of the Freedom Caucus, AND fought against the Dems, AND fought against Boehner, was defeated because he did not kneel before Trump. Good news indeed!!!"

I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. He may have had a battle or two but he is willing to lose the war.

Posted by: Drider at August 03, 2016 02:06 AM (6Xbsz)

570 560 Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 02:02 AM (s6X53)

It's racist to point out facts....

like for example....

Captain Khan was joined by 13 other Muslim combat deaths in this conflict....so we must shut up and elect Gram b/c .002333333333% of Gold Star Families want unfettered Chain Migration from Syria.... *maybe*

Extra credit racist hate fact.....

21 US Military members have been killed in this conflict by Sudden Jihad Syndrome....

so my asshole math puts that at negative seven until I even begin to give a damn about Khan's dad....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:06 AM (SzZnW)

571 You are correct. So in your example, "not voting" is analogous to refusing to play Russian roulette at all.
Posted by: chemjeff

No, its analogous to having the revolver chosen for you.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 02:06 AM (8GNw0)

572 No, the GOPe pretty much is ok with no ID at voting booths.

Which Republican politician has objected to photo ID for in-person voting?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:07 AM (EAnQi)

573 564 Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:03 AM (EAnQi)

Paul Ryan is happy Jeff....why aren't you happy?

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:07 AM (SzZnW)

574
533
Re: Win 10, Microsoft was an obnoxious whore about it, but I LOVE LOVE
LOVE not having to arse around with the right-hand side screen pop-up
search bar, and it's very nice to have the start menu back.

Yeah, I know I could've fixed those in 8. But 8 was also being annoying in other ways.

Not too thrilled about the data collection stuff. But then, what
data isn't being collected today. (Yes, I know that's a shitty argument,
but we do live in rather lazy times, so I doubt anyone who can look up
my info actually will, since they're probably busy doing other things
that are more interesting. cf. SEC officials watching porn)

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at August 03, 2016 01:51 AM (L54EB)

I sent Maet a bunch of links....but the short story is that I ain't goin' to 10.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 02:08 AM (EzgxV)

575 572 Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:07 AM (EAnQi)

Which Republican has called out the courts for their uneven interpretation of law?

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:08 AM (SzZnW)

576 jeff, I can't paste the url but Google 40% illegal murder and you'll see articles on it.

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 02:08 AM (s6X53)

577 Defeat those ideas regardless of who holds them.
But vote in a binary system against Trump.

Our country is strong enough to withstand 4 or 8 more years of a liberal, authoritarian. But we can't afford to elect Trump, because he's a liberal authoritarian.

-Chemperson-

I'm sensing a disingenuous theme.
But being that at least one of these is a highly esteemed Moron of long standing, I'm sure there must be some mistake.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 03, 2016 02:09 AM (kKHcp)

578 The fact is, manufacturing is the easiest type of
job to ship overseas. The hardest ones are "in situ" repair and
blowjobs. There's over a billion of them in China and 330 million here
in the US. Once we outsource manufacturing, remote classrooms, customer
service, tech support, R+D, administration, finance, and PR to their
billion hungry workers, how many repairmen are we actually going to
need? 'Cause the rest of the US has blowjobs or starvation in its
future.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 02:05 AM (EzgxV)
I am not arguing that promoting American manufacturing is a bad thing. (Although I would stop short at actually starting a trade war with China.) My point is that "put America first" is an ill-defined phrase.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:09 AM (EAnQi)

579 Who do you think Trump hates more, Cruz or Clinton?

Posted by: person at August 03, 2016 01:17 AM (mFkVC)

Cruz, hands down. Wish it wasn't so but it is what it is.

Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 02:09 AM (hgBpU)

580 546 My point is that there are at most 2 issues in which there is *substantive* disagreement between Trump and Hillary. Would you disagree?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 01:52 AM (EAnQi)

That is a flat out lie. Just admit you are here to gaslight and stir Shit up.

1. Reform all trade agreements
2. Immigration halt.
3. Stop backing the Muslim Brotherhood
4. Reach out to Russia to fight Ialamiats and work with them where we share the same interests
5. Protect our borders
6. Make NATO countries carry their own weight.

I could go on but it is pointless with debating somebody who always has to be right refusing to change their views just out of spite for people they feel superior to.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 02:10 AM (Z+1Ng)

581 Which Republican politician has objected to photo ID for in-person voting?
Posted by: chemjeff

The 114th Congress, which has decline to vote on the issue.

Which again, is a choice.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 02:10 AM (8GNw0)

582
http://tinyurl.com/pe9oljy

Breitbart "Illegal Aliens account for ~30% of murders in some states"

so 30% is "ok" but if I find documentation saying it is ~40% in Texas, NM, AZ, and CA it'll sway you Jeff?

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:11 AM (SzZnW)

583 cthulhu: ...At certain times, it becomes optimal to triple the size of such box, label everything, and assign every wire out to an appropriate breaker......then hide the expense under "landscaping". Because boards are far more liable to question "fix spaghetti wiring" than "seasonal landscaping".

No doubt. For my Chicago building, that "certain time" was long before I got there. Fifteen years later when we left, it was, at least, no worse.

-

-

I can't seem to get into the poly-tickle wrangles tonight, so I think I'll hit the hay.

Just cut hay by the way yesterday. Not baled yet. Fragrant after drying in the 100° heat. Smells of summer.

Good night, Gracies.

Posted by: mindful webworker - electric webworkerland at August 03, 2016 02:11 AM (R5V4T)

584 "Cruz, hands down. Wish it wasn't so but it is what it is."

Well lets be honest here. When you come to prom night and piss in the punch bowl it is never seen as a bridge building event.
We know this because not only was Trump pissed at it but Mercer and Adleson were too............They liked drinking punch.

Posted by: Drider at August 03, 2016 02:12 AM (6Xbsz)

585 584 Posted by: Drider at August 03, 2016 02:12 AM (6Xbsz)

Cruz went from "my top guy in 20202 if need be" to "well we'll see who else is running if anyone"

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:13 AM (SzZnW)

586 Which Republican has called out the courts for their uneven interpretation of law?

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:08 AM (SzZnW)

Boehner did once, I think. Maybe.

Actually Cruz, Lee and Sessions have for sure, same with Louie Gohmert.

Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 02:14 AM (hgBpU)

587 I agree with focusing on law and order. I do not agree that Trump has, or ought to have, the power to do what he wants to do, that is, "make America safe" by way of the federal government. I think it would be injurious to the cause of federalism and our liberties.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:00 AM (EAnQi)

WTFFF are you talking about? National security is one of the ONLY jobs the federal government actually has. Securing the borders being a major part of that.

What is this "federalism" BS when it comes to national security? That is just pure, unadulterated silliness.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 03, 2016 02:14 AM (zc3Db)

588 Say its only 10%. That's still thousands of murders committed by illegals. Are you ok with that Jeff, that it's "only" 10% instead of 40%?

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 02:15 AM (s6X53)

589 587 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 03, 2016 02:14 AM (zc3Db)

"provide for the common defense" meant "pay sanctuary cities to thwart federal immigration law".....

honest injun....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:16 AM (SzZnW)

590 Posted by: Drider at August 03, 2016 02:12 AM (6Xbsz)

Well, yes, let's be honest here. It didn't help but it didn't start there.

Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 02:16 AM (hgBpU)

591 578
The fact is, manufacturing is the easiest type of

job to ship overseas. The hardest ones are "in situ" repair and

blowjobs. There's over a billion of them in China and 330 million here

in the US. Once we outsource manufacturing, remote classrooms, customer

service, tech support, R+D, administration, finance, and PR to their

billion hungry workers, how many repairmen are we actually going to

need? 'Cause the rest of the US has blowjobs or starvation in its

future.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 02:05 AM (EzgxV)
I am
not arguing that promoting American manufacturing is a bad thing.
(Although I would stop short at actually starting a trade war with
China.) My point is that "put America first" is an ill-defined phrase.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:09 AM (EAnQi)

See, here's the thing -- the inevitable result of selling out our laborers across the entire gamut of the economy is being left with on-site repair and sex work. Really. And I would not only pursue that into a trade war with China but also drop nukes on every other square inch of the planet before I passively accepted that. Really.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 02:17 AM (EzgxV)

592 Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 03, 2016 02:09 AM (kKHcp)

There is no disingenuity.

Our country really can't afford to elect either one of them. But it would survive, in worse shape, if either one was elected.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:18 AM (EAnQi)

593 Jeff I am glad you are back, I wish you all success in attaining decorum etc etc.

Horde if I do not pop my head in be safe while I am gone.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:19 AM (SzZnW)

594 Ok, game off, let's stop the chemjeff beatdown session.

Let's talk about of shoes and ships and sealing wax...

Or at least something more interesting.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 02:20 AM (8GNw0)

595 "Well, yes, let's be honest here. It didn't help but it didn't start there."

Also keep in mind Joanne that even though the primary was spirited. It was Trump who offered Cruz a top spot being he was the runner up.
Say what you will, say it was a political move or whatever. He offered the hand willingly.

You really should spin this question around on Cruz. The last picture I saw of Cruz before cutting him loose to toil with his conscience was him exiting a plane with Obama and crew.

Posted by: Drider at August 03, 2016 02:21 AM (6Xbsz)

596 Night boners and bonerettes.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 03, 2016 02:21 AM (Z+1Ng)

597 I got some sandals at Kohl's.

Posted by: eleven at August 03, 2016 02:21 AM (qUNWi)

598 TPOP did you decide against getting into reloading? Or am I misremembering that as a topic?

Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 02:22 AM (QDnY+)

599 Let's talk about of shoes and ships and sealing wax...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 02:20 AM (8GNw0)

Let's talk about alliterations. Good or Evil?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 03, 2016 02:22 AM (zc3Db)

600 I got some sandals at Kohl's.

Posted by: eleven at August 03, 2016 02:21 AM (qUNWi)

Socks too?

Posted by: BignJames at August 03, 2016 02:23 AM (/D5Lf)

601 Yoko

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 03, 2016 02:24 AM (VdICR)

602 Our country really can't afford to elect either one of them. But it would survive, in worse shape, if either one was elected.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:18 AM (EAnQi)

Funny then that you spend all your time diminishing one candidate who has never held public office, making assumptions as to what he would or wouldn't do, while leaving the other candidate out of your discussion entirely.
Rather strange, that.
Not disingenuous at all.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 03, 2016 02:24 AM (kKHcp)

603 I got some sandals at Kohl's.
Posted by: eleven

I bought 2 polo shirts at kohls years ago. One of them split at the button-up after two washes. Fuckin' shit.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 02:24 AM (8GNw0)

604 I lost a sandal.

Posted by: Brian at August 03, 2016 02:24 AM (/wm8n)

605 1. Reform all trade agreements

Okay you are right, Hillary and Trump disagree on trade. Make that 3 issues where they substantively disagree.

2. Immigration halt.

Trump does not favor an "immigration halt", and neither does Hillary.

3. Stop backing the Muslim Brotherhood

I'm unaware where Hillary says she favors backing the Muslim Brotherhood.

4. Reach out to Russia to fight Ialamiats and work with them where we share the same interests

I'm unaware where Hillary says we shouldn't work with Russia when it comes to common interests. Quite frankly I think any sane human being would argue that position.

5. Protect our borders

Duly noted where Hillary and Trump disagree.

6. Make NATO countries carry their own weight.

Okay fine, Trump wants to undermine NATO, Hillary doesn't. That makes four. But this is not exactly a point in Trump's favor.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:24 AM (EAnQi)

606 I bought 2 polo shirts at kohls years ago. One of them split at the button-up after two washes. Fuckin' shit.

Yeah. Vietnamese slave laborers aren't what they used to be.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 03, 2016 02:25 AM (/wm8n)

607 Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 03, 2016 02:24 AM (kKHcp)

What do you want me to say? That I"m not voting for Hillary? That is a given. I daresay every regular on this blog is not voting for Hillary. I mean, I don't get it. You want me to ritually denounce Hillary at the beginning of every post?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:25 AM (EAnQi)

608 TPOP did you decide against getting into reloading? Or am I misremembering that as a topic?

Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 02:22 AM (QDnY+)

Someone else. I've been reloading for years - mostly 9mm and 40. I just took a break for the last 7 or so months and have had a half run of 9mm sitting on my bench. My range membership expired and I haven't gotten around to renewing it. I'm still bummed about the unavailability (for a reasonable price) of 22LR. I loved shooting 22s more than anything and the prices now are still totally insane.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 03, 2016 02:26 AM (zc3Db)

609 "OK, OK, but besides all that, what have the Romans ever done for *US*?"

Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 02:26 AM (QDnY+)

610 Should have linked this @591 -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTSQozWP-rM

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 02:26 AM (EzgxV)

611 588
Say its only 10%. That's still thousands of murders committed by
illegals. Are you ok with that Jeff, that it's "only" 10% instead of
40%?

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 03, 2016 02:15 AM (s6X53)
I'm not "okay" with any murder. But if the rate of violent crime by illegals is no higher than the rate of violent crime by the native-born population, then this suggests that maybe exaggerating the violent crime committed by illegals is little more than scapegoating foreigners.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:28 AM (EAnQi)

612 "What do you want from me? I'm not fighting on the side of the Turks!"

Posted by: The Guy Having a Beer On A Lounge Chair Inside The Gates of Vienna, 1529 at August 03, 2016 02:28 AM (/wm8n)

613 Socks too?

Heathen.

Posted by: eleven at August 03, 2016 02:29 AM (qUNWi)

614 Breitbart "Illegal Aliens account for ~30% of murders in some states"

so 30% is "ok" but if I find documentation saying it is ~40% in Texas, NM, AZ, and CA it'll sway you Jeff?

Posted by: sven10077 at August 03, 2016 02:11 AM (SzZnW)
I don't consider Breitbart to be a rigorous source of information. But, I will examine it later on. I can't really right now.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:30 AM (EAnQi)

615 Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who!

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 03, 2016 02:30 AM (VdICR)

616 You want me to ritually denounce Hillary at the beginning of every post?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:25 AM (EAnQi)

Certainly not. But you've made clear your disdain for Trump.
Everyone knows it.
Yet you keep after him, to what end? To create more #NeverTrumpers? To depress turnout in a binary choice election?
To virtue-signal your heightened sensibilities?
What do you get out of it? I swear, you're striking me as someone following Amish off the rails, but with better language.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 03, 2016 02:30 AM (kKHcp)

617 A Roman Senator gets caught in a chariot-jam on his way to the Senate and is 15 minutes late for the start of that day's speeches.

He finally rushes in and sits in the back row, as Cicero stands at the podium giving one of his legendary orations. "Sorry I'm late," the first Senator whispers to the one sitting next to him.

The other Senator shrugs and replies, "Don't worry, you didn't miss anything -- he hasn't gotten to the verb yet."

Posted by: zombie at August 03, 2016 02:31 AM (jBuUi)

618 "What do you want from me? I'm not fighting on the side of the Turks!"
Posted by: The Guy Having a Beer On A Lounge Chair Inside The Gates of Vienna,

Eh, this beer has a plague rat innit.

Posted by: guy next to the Vienna guy at August 03, 2016 02:31 AM (8GNw0)

619 Nope actually TPOP it was you, I just didn't remember the details.

Too bad about the range membership. Hope you renew or make other shooting arrangements and get back into the sickness after your brief "remission".

Yep 22LR has *still* not recovered from the last panic. What's that, 3 years now?

I believe one of the big producers actually was set to bring a large new factory online in the last year or two - if so, no supply effect evident yet. I'd like to believe it's more the increased number of shooters and their increased shooting, as opposed to just prudent stockpiling being taken to new heights.

I only have two 22s and they have seen less action the last two years for sure.

But I started my first bottleneck rifle reloading (30-06), for the M1, and that's been fun. I bought two AR lowers and will build them up slowly as I learn about the platform - but I can already see why these "Legos for adults" are so popular.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 02:32 AM (QDnY+)

620 then this suggests that maybe exaggerating the violent crime committed by illegals is little more than scapegoating foreigners.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:28 AM (EAnQi)

Oy.

Illegals are not just "foreigners". They're illegals, and in the tens of millions they are invaders. Are you worried that the poor, widdle invaders might be scapegoated?

If you doubt that illegals commit violent crime at multiples of their illegal and unjustifiable percentage in the population (which we don't know, BTW) then I would like to ask to have some of those drugs you must be taking. They sound pretty trippy.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 03, 2016 02:32 AM (zc3Db)

621 I'm blanking on a quote.

It goes something along the line of "people are suited to democracy or freedom to the degree they restrain themselves" or something along those line.

Any help?

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 03, 2016 02:33 AM (vBeA5)

622 Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 03, 2016 02:30 AM (kKHcp)

Honestly? I want to increase the third-party share of the vote. I want to free people from the false choice of feeling that they must choose one or the other of these two awful candidates. I don't want either one of them to achieve a majority of the popular vote, or the electoral college vote.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:33 AM (EAnQi)

623 590 Posted by: Drider at August 03, 2016 02:12 AM (6Xbsz)

Well, yes, let's be honest here. It didn't help but it didn't start there.

Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 02:16 AM (hgBpU)

++++

Didn't it really start back towards the start of the primary? Trump and Cruz had their pact not to go after each other. Then Cruz answered a question from someone at a fundraiser about why they should support Cruz instead of Trump. Cruz answered something to the effect that Trump lacked good judgement. Trump viewed that as Cruz breaking his word and started going after Cruz. Lyin' Ted was born.

Trump has been entirely consistent about who he goes after from the beginning: if someone comes at him, he gives as good as he gets, and then some. Cruz had the right idea in trying to stay on Trump's good side, but he thought he could have it both ways by acting neutral in public but smearing Trump when he thought he was out of the public eye. Cruz's duplicity bit him in the ass.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 03, 2016 02:33 AM (R+30W)

624 I would like you to ritually denounce her annually, now that you bring it up.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 03, 2016 02:33 AM (VdICR)

625 but I can already see why these "Legos for adults" are so popular.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 02:32 AM (QDnY+)

I thought they were Barbies for Men.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 03, 2016 02:34 AM (kKHcp)

626 61 chemjeff,

Right people who have no legal right to be here are entitled to at least felony equality before we ponder enforcing a border....b/c "federalism"

Posted by: Sven on the tablet at August 03, 2016 02:35 AM (Xh7t/)

627 Remember Lincoln Logs?

Posted by: eleven at August 03, 2016 02:35 AM (qUNWi)

628 If you doubt that illegals commit violent crime at multiples of their
illegal and unjustifiable percentage in the population (which we don't
know, BTW)

If we don't know, then why should I accept your premise?

I have actually looked. All of the studies I have found conclude that foreign-born residents do not commit violent crime at any greater rate than the native-born residents. And yes, "foreign born" does not necessarily mean "illegals", but I honestly have not seen any rigorous study of the violent crime rate committed by illegal aliens. I am immediately skeptical of any citation from Breitbart, from obvious reasons, but I will look at it when i get a chance.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:36 AM (EAnQi)

629 Well one area that stunned me were T-Rump's and the Hildabeast's identical stances and body language on the 2nd Amendment and guns.

Never saw that one coming.

And with that, off to delve further into the interesting lies and distortions that Fuchida presented in his briefing to the emperor and the general staff on the Pearl Harbor attack damage assessment.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 02:36 AM (QDnY+)

630 Right people who have no legal right to be here are
entitled to at least felony equality before we ponder enforcing a
border....b/c "federalism"

Posted by: Sven on the tablet at August 03, 2016 02:35 AM (Xh7t/)
Sven, I like you, but I wish you would quit it with these strawmen.

Nobody here is arguing that illegals should have "felony equality" or that the border shouldn't be enforced.

The POINT is, if the desire for increased border enforcement is motivated by wanting to reduce *violent* crime, but if studies show that the foreign-born don't commit violent crime at any greater rate than the native-born, then this desire is based on a false premise.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:38 AM (EAnQi)

631 622
Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 03, 2016 02:30 AM (kKHcp)

Honestly?
I want to increase the third-party share of the vote. I want to free
people from the false choice of feeling that they must choose one or the
other of these two awful candidates. I don't want either one of them to
achieve a majority of the popular vote, or the electoral college vote.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:33 AM (EAnQi)

Well, you could do the sensible thing and shoot one or the other (or both) and leave the rest of us to worry over our worrisome choice -- 'cause it's the only way we won't see things as either Clinton or Trump.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 02:38 AM (EzgxV)

632 Honestly? I want to increase the third-party share of the vote. I want to free people from the false choice of feeling that they must choose one or the other of these two awful candidates. I don't want either one of them to achieve a majority of the popular vote, or the electoral college vote.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:33 AM (EAnQi)

You'll notice I keep calling this a binary choice election, no?
Do you really think anyone other than Hellary or Trump will be elected? And will it make you satisfied to know that Hellary, like her husband before her, wins the presidency with just a plurality of votes instead of a majority?

Lastly, and this is a rhetorical question because we both know the answer and I'm late to bed, but do you spend an equal time being this eloquently anti-Hellary on left-wing blogs (since you just want to free people from the false choice of two failed candidates)?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 03, 2016 02:40 AM (kKHcp)

633 https://youtu.be/oUz9c1oY5cU

The GAO does not want good stats on crime.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 03, 2016 02:41 AM (VdICR)

634 630 Chemjeff,

And Jeff I think you are ducky but that is no Strawman. The correct number of American citizens murdered by illegals should be "zero." I have this strange hang up called 'patriotism' I value even Grammy H over foreigners here illegally.

Posted by: Sven on the tablet at August 03, 2016 02:42 AM (SzZnW)

635 Choose the six, Chemjeff.

You put it off for so long, it's become Chekhov's gun.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 03, 2016 02:43 AM (VdICR)

636 A commentator has written a very compelling argument that Pope Benedict may have resigned in part out of actual fear of the "Antichrists" who are running amok in the Catholic Church:

http://tinyurl.com/The-true-reason-Benedict-resig

I'm a little in shock having just read this.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 03, 2016 02:43 AM (e/lrP)

637 Illegals are not just "foreigners". They're illegals, and in the tens
of millions they are invaders. Are you worried that the poor, widdle
invaders might be scapegoated?

To call them "invaders" is a deliberately inflammatory term used to conjure martial analogies of individuals coming here with sinister intentions.

I worry when any group of people is collectively blamed for something that they collectively are not responsible for. I don't want "pro-lifers" collectively blamed when some nut bombs an abortion clinic, I don't want "gun owners" collectively blamed when some nut shoots up a preschool, and I don't want "illegals" blamed as a group when some nut regrettably commits some violent crime, ESPECIALLY since the statistical evidence does not support such assignation of collective guilt. Do you?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:44 AM (EAnQi)

638 I believe one of the big producers actually was set to bring a large new factory online in the last year or two - if so, no supply effect evident yet. I'd like to believe it's more the increased number of shooters and their increased shooting, as opposed to just prudent stockpiling being taken to new heights.

It's all very weird. I don't think it has anything to do with shooters or stockpiling. I think it's more related to the weirdness of 22 magazines almost always being 10 rounds when every other caliber was jumping through the roof with higher capacity. Yeah, I know there are a few exceptions, but it is just so weird that the smallest ammo around would be stuck with the minimal capacity mags for all these years (excepting the PMR-30, banana mags for rifles and the like). It's something about 22LR, itself, and government pressure.

I only have two 22s and they have seen less action the last two years for sure.

Yep. I used to love to buy a big box of 22 and go shoot 300 rounds. It's hard to find good fun that cheap. But now I haven't shot my 22 in a very long time. I've still got about 1000 rounds left but I just don't feel like pissing it away in a few afternoons at the range.

But I started my first bottleneck rifle reloading (30-06), for the M1, and that's been fun.

Nice.

I bought two AR lowers and will build them up slowly as I learn about the platform - but I can already see why these "Legos for adults" are so popular.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 02:32 AM (QDnY+)

Sounds like fun. I never got into the AR stuff. I stayed a bit cheaper. Instead, I went the way of 80% 1911 paperweights. I don't have a mill so mine are still sitting around as paperweights ... but one day ... All the parts are just waiting ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 03, 2016 02:45 AM (zc3Db)

639 The POINT is, if the desire for increased border enforcement is motivated by wanting to reduce *violent* crime, but if studies show that the foreign-born don't commit violent crime at any greater rate than the native-born, then this desire is based on a false premise.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:38 AM (EAnQi)

++++

In a zero sum game, that would be true. If removing 1000 foreigners meant that 1000 natives took their place, then sure, removing the 1000 foreigners would not reduce the amount of crime (assuming for the sake of argument that natives and foreigners are equally crime prone).

But, it is not the case that removing 1000 foreigner will cause 1000 natives to materialize. So, removing the foreigners also removes the criminal element among them, thus reducing the number of crimes taking place over all.

All the future murders that will be committed by those deported foreigners will take place back in their native land instead of on American soil.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 03, 2016 02:46 AM (R+30W)

640 And Jeff I think you are ducky but that is no
Strawman. The correct number of American citizens murdered by illegals
should be "zero." I have this strange hang up called 'patriotism' I
value even Grammy H over foreigners here illegally.

Posted by: Sven on the tablet at August 03, 2016 02:42 AM (SzZnW)
The correct number of murders committed by ANYONE should be zero.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:46 AM (EAnQi)

641 594---
Let's talk about of shoes and ships and sealing wax...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 02:20 AM
------------------------
Okay.
Of cabbages: I don't get kimchi. I just don't. Sauerkraut, yes. Kimchi, no.

and kings: Louis IX was greater than Louis XIV. Discuss.

and why the sea is boiling hot: global warming. Duh.

and whether pigs have wings: they usually do not, but when they do, they prefer ranch dressing to hot sauce as a condiment.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 03, 2016 02:47 AM (T/5A0)

642 I can't make up my mind.

Johnson is a loon and Stein is a loon.

My principles fall somewhere in between the both of them.

*flips coin*

Posted by: Drider at August 03, 2016 02:48 AM (6Xbsz)

643 But, it is not the case that removing 1000 foreigner will cause 1000
natives to materialize. So, removing the foreigners also removes the
criminal element among them, thus reducing the number of crimes taking
place over all.

Yes, you are correct.

But, statistically, if you remove 1000 natives, you will reduce the criminal element *even more*. So why not do that?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:48 AM (EAnQi)

644 In 2004 95% of the outstanding homicide warrants of the LAPD were for illegals.

A few years after that, the number by which CA prisons exceeded the "allowed" population as determined by the courts (adequate conditions of confinement issues) was almost *exactly* the number of foreign citizens in CA prisons.

GAO examination of criminality among illegals - though hampered by data problems, has shown incarceration rates at large multiples of any plausible estimated % of the population.

One can expect data confirming the lack of any systematic connection between atmospheric CO2 content and "climate" to be as abundant, lavishly funded, and highly touted as simple stats about illegals' criminality, which has to be extracted from mostly local and state data. And if you think the police depts. of major metro areas, where the bulk of serious crime occur, are in any hurry to turn over that hornets' nest, you aren't thinking clearly.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 03, 2016 02:48 AM (QDnY+)

645 So, so, so, so so so many words about this election. Everything is speculation, speculation, speculation.

No one has any idea what is going to happen until the votes are in on election night -- despite many claims of future-vision.

If Hillary wins, all the Trump-haters will dance a jig of glee and bellow in the loudest choral klaxxon ever heard, "I TOLD YOU SO!!!!," while every leftist has spontaneous orgasms in their pants as civilization finally sinks beneath the waves.

If Trump wins, all the Trump-lovers will fire their rusty muskets into the air and give gap-toothed yodels across the holler, "I TOL' YA SO!!!," while every leftist silently slits their wrists as the juggernaut of neo-Marxism finally comes shuddering to a halt.

Which will it be? No one -- literally no one -- knows. They won't even know on the Monday before the election.

Posted by: zombie at August 03, 2016 02:49 AM (jBuUi)

646 No matter what they say, we know that Hills will double down on a lot of O's policies. Did Obama say;
"I'll stop enforcement of laws to benefit our side?"
"I'll give the M. Brohood as much power as possible?"
"I'll give Iran a plane full of cash and a treaty to help them build nukes?"
"I'll terrorize conservatives by prosecuting conservative run businesses and organizations even if they've done nothing wrong?"
"I'll build up a little anarchy army just for fun?"

Posted by: OldDominionMom at August 03, 2016 02:49 AM (GzDYP)

647 You'll notice I keep calling this a binary choice election, no?

Yes you call it that. But you are wrong. There are more than two names on the ballot.

Do you really think anyone other than Hellary or Trump will be
elected?

No. But I am under no compulsion to vote for either one.

And will it make you satisfied to know that Hellary, like her
husband before her, wins the presidency with just a plurality of votes
instead of a majority?

It will not make me satisfied if either one of them wins.

Lastly, and this is a rhetorical question because we both know the
answer and I'm late to bed, but do you spend an equal time being this
eloquently anti-Hellary on left-wing blogs (since you just want to free
people from the false choice of two failed candidates)?

Nope. I will leave it to the BernieBros to convince leftists not to vote for Clinton.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:50 AM (EAnQi)

648 643 But, it is not the case that removing 1000 foreigner will cause 1000
natives to materialize. So, removing the foreigners also removes the
criminal element among them, thus reducing the number of crimes taking
place over all.

Yes, you are correct.

But, statistically, if you remove 1000 natives, you will reduce the criminal element *even more*. So why not do that?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:48 AM (EAnQi)

++++

Because, this is our country. We have the right to be hear. The illegal aliens do not, hence they should be removed along with all the problems they cause.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 03, 2016 02:51 AM (R+30W)

649 637
Illegals are not just "foreigners". They're illegals, and in the tens

of millions they are invaders. Are you worried that the poor, widdle

invaders might be scapegoated?

To call them
"invaders" is a deliberately inflammatory term used to conjure martial
analogies of individuals coming here with sinister intentions.

I
worry when any group of people is collectively blamed for something
that they collectively are not responsible for. I don't want
"pro-lifers" collectively blamed when some nut bombs an abortion clinic,
I don't want "gun owners" collectively blamed when some nut shoots up a
preschool, and I don't want "illegals" blamed as a group when some nut
regrettably commits some violent crime, ESPECIALLY since the statistical
evidence does not support such assignation of collective guilt. Do you?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:44 AM (EAnQi)

They are objectively invaders, and -- even at their best -- they intend to underbid the wages of actual citizens. Since they cannot legally register for payroll taxes, they defraud the public purse of those revenues. And, if they're injured, they are patched-up using workers' comp systems to which they have not contributed. To get to work, they drive unregistered cars without drivers licenses or required amounts of insurance.....leaving citizens as patsies when they lawfully drive the same streets. When they commit torts, they disappear.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 03, 2016 02:52 AM (EzgxV)

650 And Ann Barnhardt has some very trenchant analysis that very subject.

http://www.barnhardt.biz

There have been many commentaries in recent years that Pope Benedict Was the actual last Pope.

God help us all if it is true that the Antichrist's appearance is nigh.

There is no time like the present to get oneself right with God.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 03, 2016 02:52 AM (e/lrP)

651 Should I go to the previous thread? That thread was awesome.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 03, 2016 02:53 AM (VdICR)

652 To call them "invaders" is a deliberately inflammatory term used to conjure martial analogies of individuals coming here with sinister intentions.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:44 AM (EAnQi)

20 million illegals (and you can bet your butt it's a lot more than that) IS an invasion. I don't care what their intentions are. That doesn't concern me in the least. None of their wants or desires concerns me. They are part of an obvious invasion.

Or do you not understand what an "invasion" is?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 03, 2016 02:54 AM (zc3Db)

653

chemjeff:

Not to add (well, not much) to the pile-on that you are experiencing, I note that very many of your ~~points~~ ~~counterpoints~~ ~~arguments~~ comments contain the word "If" ...

This isn't terribly convincing. Of course, that's the nature of hypotheticals.

You seem to swap "percentage" and "magnitude" without realizing that there is an important difference.

Your comment 630: "The POINT is, if the desire for increased border enforcement is motivated by wanting to reduce *violent* crime, but if studies show that the foreign-born don't commit violent crime at any greater rate than the native-born, then this desire is based on a false premise.

Perhaps the observed "*violent* crime" rate would remain unchanged ... but that's not the point.

The point is that the magnitude, specifically the number of "*violent* crimes" would decrease ... and that's worth causing.

Posted by: Arbalest at August 03, 2016 02:55 AM (FlRtG)

654 Because, this is our country. We have the right to
be hear. The illegal aliens do not, hence they should be removed along
with all the problems they cause.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 03, 2016 02:51 AM (R+30W)
I agree with you. The illegals should be deported because they don't have a right to be here. Period. It has *NOTHING* to do with violent crime rates. Statistically speaking, the foreign born have no higher a violent crime rate than the native born. See this:
http://tinyurl.com/nmpejag
So to focus on wanting to deport illegals because they are supposedly violent and dangerous, and not simply because they are not citizens and don't belong here regardless, is just an act of scapegoating, to scare people into voting for Trump based on incorrect information.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:55 AM (EAnQi)

655 I heard Glen beck the other day going on about how people will hate him for not saying that he backs Trump. Mind you that it was during a 10 minute drive because I never listen to that moron.
But I did find myself on that day wanting to call in to Beck and tell him that the reason that I hate him is that he has betrayed every single thing that he has railed on about over the last 7 years as far as it being game over on things lie SCOTUS picks which he was correct on.

In other words it's not that I hae the guy for not supporting Trump. It's that I hate an outright traitor 100% of the time, all day, every day.

Posted by: Drider at August 03, 2016 02:57 AM (6Xbsz)

656 Okay.
Of cabbages: I don't get kimchi. I just don't. Sauerkraut, yes. Kimchi, no.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille

I tried making a 'quick' kimchi once.

Forgot the part where you wash out the salt...

yeah...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2016 03:00 AM (8GNw0)

657 Some fantastic news.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/nevertrump-ks-lawmaker-loses-primary-pro-trump-upstart/

He can now go and pull the Hillary lever and feel good about himself.

Posted by: Drider at August 03, 2016 01:58 AM (6Xbsz)

Well that's intelligent. You are super happy that an actual anti-amnesty Republican lost to a pro-amnesty Chamber or Commerce approved candidate.

Lame.

Posted by: Joanne at August 03, 2016 03:00 AM (hgBpU)

658 The point is that the magnitude, specifically the number of "*violent* crimes" would decrease ... and that's worth causing.

Posted by: Arbalest at August 03, 2016 02:55 AM (FlRtG)
My point to Anon.y.mouse, however, was that if you were interested in reducing the magnitude of *violent* crimes, statistically speaking, you would deport 1000 natives, instead of 1000 foreign-born.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:01 AM (EAnQi)

659 So to focus on wanting to deport illegals because they are supposedly violent and dangerous, and not simply because they are not citizens and don't belong here regardless, is just an act of scapegoating, to scare people into voting for Trump based on incorrect information.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:55 AM (EAnQi)

So ... are you now in favor of deporting all illegals?

I'm just trying to get your "positions" straight, here.

And illegals are far more violent than Americans are - far, far more violent - with the possible exception of the urban denizen who contribute the great bulk of the violent crime statistics for the whole nation.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 03, 2016 03:02 AM (zc3Db)

660 "Well that's intelligent. You are super happy that an actual anti-amnesty Republican lost to a pro-amnesty Chamber or Commerce approved candidate. "

I'm always absolutely thrilled when a poser who has play fought his way through Congress is cut loose to toil with his principled conscience.

Posted by: Drider at August 03, 2016 03:02 AM (6Xbsz)

661 My point to Anon.y.mouse, however, was that if you were interested in reducing the magnitude of *violent* crimes, statistically speaking, you would deport 1000 natives, instead of 1000 foreign-born.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:01 AM (EAnQi)

This is just gibberish. And stop calling illegals "foreign-born" or "foreigners", FFS. And the people you call "natives" ... we call them "Americans".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 03, 2016 03:03 AM (zc3Db)

662 Or do you not understand what an "invasion" is?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 03, 2016 02:54 AM (zc3Db)
Oh for heaven's sake. Your use of the word "invasion" is deliberately intended to conjure up the spectre of some enemy force under the direction of a foreign government (as Trump evidently believes) with the intent to subvert the local authorities and seize control. It is just the fallacy of ambiguity, really.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:03 AM (EAnQi)

663 Remember Lincoln Logs?

Posted by: eleven at August 03, 2016 02:35 AM (qUNWi)

Yes. I had several sets that I joined together so that I could build a stockade as well as watchtowers.

I was such a nerd that I even reenacted Braddock's defeat at the Battle of Monongahela and Washington's retreat with Braddock's remaining men from Fort Duquesne.

The nerd is strong in this one.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 03, 2016 03:05 AM (e/lrP)

664
chemjeff:

"My point to Anon.y.mouse, however, was that if you were interested in reducing the magnitude of *violent* crimes, statistically speaking, you would deport 1000 natives, instead of 1000 foreign-born."

Based on your comment 630:
1. You do not say that.
2. Deporting any 1000 people would likely reduce the magnitude.

Based on your comment 658:
1 Unfortunately, we do not allow banishment or exile.

Posted by: Arbalest at August 03, 2016 03:06 AM (FlRtG)

665 Oh for heaven's sake. Your use of the word "invasion" is deliberately intended to conjure up the spectre of some enemy force under the direction of a foreign government (as Trump evidently believes) with the intent to subvert the local authorities and seize control. It is just the fallacy of ambiguity, really.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:03 AM (EAnQi)

Tens of millions ... not an invasion, huh?

"We didn't cross the border. The border crossed us."

Remember that? Do you even have a clue what that means. There were MILLIONS of people marching who stood behind that stupid statement. Talk to me about intentions ... fuckin' a.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 03, 2016 03:06 AM (zc3Db)

666 So ... are you now in favor of deporting all illegals?

I'm just trying to get your "positions" straight, here.

I've always been in favor of deporting illegals, in a manner consistent with preserving the liberty of myself and every other citizen, and with respecting the dignity and humanity of the illegals. Are you?

And illegals are far more violent than Americans are - far, far more
violent - with the possible exception of the urban denizen who
contribute the great bulk of the violent crime statistics for the whole
nation.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 03, 2016 03:02 AM (zc3Db)
You haven't presented any sort of study which has demonstrated this. All you all have presented is a Breitbart link. Forgive me if I don't accept it at face value. I have, on the other hand, provided links to actual studies which have researched the issue and found that the foreign-born do not commit violent crime at any higher rate than the native-born.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:07 AM (EAnQi)

667 654 Because, this is our country. We have the right to
be hear. The illegal aliens do not, hence they should be removed along
with all the problems they cause.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 03, 2016 02:51 AM (R+30W)
I agree with you. The illegals should be deported because they don't have a right to be here. Period. It has *NOTHING* to do with violent crime rates. Statistically speaking, the foreign born have no higher a violent crime rate than the native born. See this:
http://tinyurl.com/nmpejag
So to focus on wanting to deport illegals because they are supposedly violent and dangerous, and not simply because they are not citizens and don't belong here regardless, is just an act of scapegoating, to scare people into voting for Trump based on incorrect information.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 02:55 AM (EAnQi)

++++

You should read your link with care. The deception starts in the very first sentence:

The alleged murder of Kate Steinle in San Francisco by illegal immigrant Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez has reignited the debate over the link between immigration and crime.

They start by talking about a horrific murder carried out by an illegal immigrant, but by the end of the sentence they are talking about plain old immigrats. And all the studies the cite thereafter are talking about plain immigrants. For all of your *EMPHASIS* on how there is no correlation between illegals and violent crime, your cite is non-pertinent.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 03, 2016 03:08 AM (R+30W)

668

662 chemjeff:

"Oh for heaven's sake. Your use of the word "invasion" is deliberately intended to conjure up the spectre of some enemy force under the direction of a foreign government (as Trump evidently believes) with the intent to subvert the local authorities and seize control. It is just the fallacy of ambiguity, really."

Have you truly never heard of La Raza, their principles or their modern use of the word Reconquista?

Posted by: Arbalest at August 03, 2016 03:08 AM (FlRtG)

669 *winks*

Posted by: Revolver with Six Bullets at August 03, 2016 03:08 AM (VdICR)

670 One comment about 'illegals':

I view it as whether or not people come in through the door or the window.

I would suspect those that come in through the windows as being disrespectful of my wishes, ignorant of the concept of boundaries, rule breakers at a minimum. I might even extrapolate that out to suspecting them of lawbreaking, or even criminality at a higher rate than those that came in through the door, or paid for the house.
But that's just me.

I'm toast. Toodles, everyone. Even you, Chemjeff.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 03, 2016 03:09 AM (kKHcp)

671 This is just gibberish. And stop calling illegals
"foreign-born" or "foreigners", FFS. And the people you call "natives"
... we call them "Americans".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 03, 2016 03:03 AM (zc3Db)
No, it's not gibberish, it's actually statistically valid. If you wanted to reduce the violent crime rate the *most*, you would deport 1000 natives over 1000 foreigners. And I am using the terms rigorously as I have found them in the studies that I have cited in the link above. Don't complain to me.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:09 AM (EAnQi)

672 I would like the illegals deported because there would then be more room for citizens like me.

More lebensraum to manspread in.

*loosens belt and leans back and sighs . . .*

Posted by: Sharkman at August 03, 2016 03:10 AM (e/lrP)

673 I see Trump as a kind of Triple T.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzToNo7A-94

I see the guy who tossed the can in the wrong trash can as the Glenn Beck types.

Posted by: Drider at August 03, 2016 03:10 AM (6Xbsz)

674 Or, failing outright deportation, I just like to have us have the same immigration policy that every other country in the world has.

For some reason America is the only country that is not allowed to actually have a sane immigration policy.

And the only reason for that is because the people advocating that we can't defend our borders truly hate this country and want to destroy it.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 03, 2016 03:12 AM (e/lrP)

675
628 Simply look at the LAPD's Most Wanted Online. It's extremely clear who's committing the majority of the crime in LA.
And of course you'll NEVERget a breakout by legal/illegals because the municipalities have made it ILLEGAL to ask immigration status. Why do you think that is?
Check that website NOW so we can finally put this bullshit to rest

Posted by: MAx at August 03, 2016 03:13 AM (0uuiT)

676 Night all.

Here is "Crazy Doctor" by Loudness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UVAjO1meqY

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 03, 2016 03:13 AM (vBeA5)

677
I tried to write a post explaining which kitty I would choose for each option, but it came out really creepy. Anyway, I'd fuck the one in the middle.

Posted by: BuckIV at August 03, 2016 12:09 AM (CLfqv)

qdpsteve, is this your FB buddy?

Looks like he'll fit in fine.

Posted by: Spun and Murky at August 03, 2016 03:13 AM (4DCSq)

678 I've always been in favor of deporting illegals, in a manner consistent with preserving the liberty of myself and every other citizen, and with respecting the dignity and humanity of the illegals.

++++

Fuck their dignity. They can go be dignified back in their own country.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 03, 2016 03:14 AM (R+30W)

679 Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 03, 2016 03:08 AM (R+30W)

If you actually dig into those links, you'll see that there are (at least to my knowledge) no real studies on specifically the link on *illegal* immigration with violent crime. What the studies that are based on Census data have shown, is that the rate of violent crime by the foreign-born is less than the rate of violent crime by the native-born, and please remember the Census does count (or attempt to count) illegals as "foreign-born" so they are included in the total. Now it is mathematically possible for illegals to have a high crime rate but non-illegal foreign-born to have a very low crime rate such that their weighted average is still less than that of the native-born, but it certainly doesn't seem all that plausible.

If you can find a link to an actual study (no Breitbart link, FFS) which has investigated the link specifically between violent crime and *illegals*, then I would love to see it. I have looked and I cannot find one.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:14 AM (EAnQi)

680 Okay, I'm out to go listen to Dr. Scott Hahn explain Catholic Doctrine.

Please try not to wreck the place, fellas.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 03, 2016 03:15 AM (e/lrP)

681 I might even extrapolate that out to suspecting them of lawbreaking,
or even criminality at a higher rate than those that came in through the
door, or paid for the house.

I understand the rationale behind your extrapolation.

The question is, is your extrapolation supported by the data?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:16 AM (EAnQi)

682 Frank Sinatra "Time After Time"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I6s1J9ZSNw

Posted by: rickl at August 03, 2016 03:16 AM (sdi6R)

683 Fuck their dignity. They can go be dignified back in their own country.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 03, 2016 03:14 AM (R+30W)
I don't agree with treating anyone like dirt. They are human beings too.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:17 AM (EAnQi)

684
671 It's impossible to discriminate between illegal and native crime rates because for the most part because in much of this country it's illegal for authorities to even ASK about immigration status.
I swear cj your expertise on hispanic illegals sounds like you're commenting from Norway. Us L.A. folks see the truth in all its glorious glory.
Been to LAPD's Most Wanted Online yet???

Posted by: MAx at August 03, 2016 03:19 AM (0uuiT)

685 Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:14 AM (EAnQi)

++++

You cited the link, stating that it proved your point regarding the crime rate of illegal aliens. It does not. Your assertion is only your opinion and there is no evidence to back it up, at least not that you have provided and certainly not at the link that you claimed did have that evidence.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 03, 2016 03:19 AM (R+30W)

686 I've always been in favor of deporting illegals,

No, you haven't.

in a manner consistent with preserving the liberty of myself and every other citizen, and with respecting the dignity and humanity of the illegals.

Aha. There's your catch.

Are you?

Respecting the dignity and humanity of illegals? Absolutely not. They are to be shipped out, post haste.

You haven't presented any sort of study which has demonstrated this. All you all have presented is a Breitbart link. Forgive me if I don't accept it at face value. I have, on the other hand, provided links to actual studies which have researched the issue and found that the foreign-born do not commit violent crime at any higher rate than the native-born.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:07 AM (EAnQi)

I haven't presented any links. That was someone else. I don't need to. We have all read the relevant information over the years to know. Some of us just choose to play ignorant.

And would you PLEASE STOP with this asinine "foreign-born" crap. Who do you think you are fooling with this shit? Or are you just trying to fool yourself.

We are talking about ilegals, not foreign-born Americans, not legal permanent residents, not legal visa holders (excepting, of course, the illegals that Barky illegally gave personal "stay in America" notes to that the Vichy GOP was more than happy to support and fund). We are talking about ILLEGALS. Understand?

And it's intensely funny that you think that people breaking into our nation who come from ultra-violent societies are, somehow, just like Americans. It boggles the mind that you would even propose such a silly and intellectually offensive idea. Do you even have any idea how cheaply individual life is in Central and South America. I mean, FFS. Your argument is infantile, at best and for the most part, as I wrote above, intellectually offensive.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 03, 2016 03:19 AM (zc3Db)

687 Sharkman, I agree with the need for a "sane" immigration policy. I think favoring chain migration over other types of migration based on skills or talents, is just plan nuts.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:21 AM (EAnQi)

688
The law against asking arrestees about their immigration status means you will never ever ever get the statistics you seek and that any you see are bullshit.
So now what???
Been to LAPD Most Wanted Online yet???

Posted by: MAx at August 03, 2016 03:21 AM (0uuiT)

689 I don't agree with treating anyone like dirt. They are human beings too.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:17 AM (EAnQi)

++++

Criminals deserve to be treated like criminals. Illegal aliens are criminals.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 03, 2016 03:21 AM (R+30W)

690 How is "sending illegals back to their country" equal to "treating them like dirt?"

Posted by: OldDominionMom at August 03, 2016 03:22 AM (GzDYP)

691 It is just the fallacy of ambiguity, really.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:03 AM (EAnQi)

huh?

Posted by: BignJames at August 03, 2016 03:24 AM (/D5Lf)

692 LAPD's Most Wanted online: http://preview.tinyurl.com/qhd4u
These people you admire so much are so freakin'criminal that there's hardly any blacks on the most wanted list

Posted by: MAx at August 03, 2016 03:24 AM (0uuiT)

693 You cited the link, stating that it proved your
point regarding the crime rate of illegal aliens. It does not. Your
assertion is only your opinion and there is no evidence to back it up,
at least not that you have provided and certainly not at the link that
you claimed did have that evidence.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 03, 2016 03:19 AM (R+30W)
The links demonstrated exactly what I said, that the violent crime rate of the foreign born is lower than the violent crime rate of the native born. In one study, the violent crime rate of the foreign born is *half* the violent crime rate of the native born, after controlling for other variables. Are you going to tell me that the violent crime rate of illegals is SO LARGE that even when you combine it with the violent crime rate of non-illegal foreign born, that it still works out to *half* of that of the native born? That seems implausible.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:24 AM (EAnQi)

694 You will never ever ever get the statistics you seek

Yeah that's what Ann Coulter said.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 03, 2016 03:25 AM (VdICR)

695 692 Well cj what do the vast majority of people on that list have in common????

Posted by: MAx at August 03, 2016 03:26 AM (0uuiT)

696 Respecting the dignity and humanity of illegals? Absolutely not. They are to be shipped out, post haste.

I don't agree with treating other people like they are sub-human dirt.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:26 AM (EAnQi)

697 695
692 Well cj what do the vast majority of people on that list have in common????

Posted by: MAx at August 03, 2016 03:26 AM (0uuiT)
What does it matter in any statistical sense? No one has argued against the proposition that illegals, or even Latinos generally, may commit violent crime. Pointing to 10 Latinos as violent criminals says nothing about violent crime rates compared to that of the native born overall.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:29 AM (EAnQi)

698 Man, this guy is verbose.

Posted by: Conspiracy Theorist with a manual typewriter at August 03, 2016 03:29 AM (VdICR)

699 chemjeff!!!! happy to see you!

I don't know where you live but if you lived in central California you might have a different idea about illegal immigration.

Those that are on the waiting list to come to the US--how do we proceed with their applications when so many jumped the line?

Posted by: sunny at August 03, 2016 03:30 AM (XBatu)

700 654---chemjeff ---

Look it up. Demographic for demographic, illegals commit significantly more violent crimes than natives.
But LEGALS (whether immigrants, students, tourists, or whatever) commit far fewer.
So, yeah, being foreign is not the problem, though being illegal seems to be.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 03, 2016 03:31 AM (T/5A0)

701 695 Disclaimer: one of my ex-students is on that list. He and one of his gangbanger buddies beat a black guy to death on the street

Posted by: MAx at August 03, 2016 03:31 AM (0uuiT)

702 Awwww....

'Morning, horde.

Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 03:31 AM (Nhjs9)

703 good night all!

sunny

Posted by: sunny at August 03, 2016 03:32 AM (XBatu)

704 Hi sunny! I am about to go to bed, actually.

I think those waiting in line should have their applications considered in due course, as always.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:33 AM (EAnQi)

705 Look it up. Demographic for demographic, illegals commit significantly more violent crimes than natives.

I have been asking for a citation for an actual study which demonstrates this claim.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:33 AM (EAnQi)

706
697 Sounds like you went to the wrong list.
You want to see the all Most Wanted, not just the top 10.
If after bringing up the law in Los Angeles and most other places in CA. against determining an arrestee's/convict's immigration status you still don't get why the statistics you desire are either impossible to receive or inaccurate if you do I can only assume you're working overtime to not understand.

Posted by: MAx at August 03, 2016 03:35 AM (0uuiT)

707 Posted by: MAx at August 03, 2016 03:35 AM (0uuiT)

Then if we do not *know* with certainty that illegals have a higher violent crime rate than the native-born, and if we do know with *some* certainty that the foreign-born overall, which includes illegals, do have a lower violent crime rate than the native born, then why should we assume that illegals have a higher violent crime rate than the native born?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:37 AM (EAnQi)

708 If you need a citation to buy the idea that a type of person who broke a particular law is more likely, in aggregate, to break other laws ... then Max might get the idea that you are a high-maintenance conversationalist.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 03, 2016 03:37 AM (VdICR)

709 If you broke the law to get here you probably won't be very concerned about obeying it once you're in. It's a mindset thing.

Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 03:38 AM (Nhjs9)

710 709
If you broke the law to get here you probably won't be very concerned about obeying it once you're in. It's a mindset thing.

Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 03:38 AM (Nhjs9)
The law against crossing the border is akin to trespassing. That is much different than a violent crime.
That is like saying, if you throw your litter in the street, you are more likely to murder your parents. That is a bit of a stretch.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:41 AM (EAnQi)

711 And now I really must get to bed. Good night all.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:43 AM (EAnQi)

712 Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:41 AM (EAnQi)

Yes, that is quite a stretch.

Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 03:44 AM (Nhjs9)

713 671---If you wanted to reduce the violent crime rate the *most*, you would deport 1000 natives over 1000 foreigners.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:09 AM (EAnQi)
-------------------------------
You would deport 1000 American blacks and replace them with 1000 Haitians, who have a MUCH lower violent crime rate.

You have to compare demographic to demographic.
And you really have to dig deep --- book deep --- to compare, say, ILLEGAL Mexicans to native chicanos.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 03, 2016 03:46 AM (T/5A0)

714 The law against crossing the US border, and none other is akin to trespassing.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 03, 2016 03:48 AM (VdICR)

715 The law against crossing the border is akin to trespassing.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 03, 2016 03:41 AM (EAnQi)

No, it is not. Besides the fact that it strikes at the heart of the concept of the nation-state, someone who trespasses on my property doesn't set up camp and then demand to be put on the deed.

it's not worth having this conversation with you. You are either unable to understand the simplest concepts or you are just intentionally obtuse. Neither is very good.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 03, 2016 03:48 AM (zc3Db)

716 Good Morning Everyone. Other than that I got nothing.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 03:48 AM (WVsWD)

717 On certain topics chemjeff got nothing, too, and that doesn't seem to faze him.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 03, 2016 03:52 AM (DPMiu)

718 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 03, 2016 03:52 AM (DPMiu)

Boy, howdy. He gets going and you never know where he'll wind up.

Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 04:05 AM (Nhjs9)

719 'Morning, Tim. Happy Hump Day.

Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 04:05 AM (Nhjs9)

720 Good morning Morons. I have completed compiling the VNN links for today. On "illegals":

By definition 100% of all illegals are criminals. After all, they are not called "illegal" aliens for nothing.

1st offense is a misdemeanor

2nd offense and more is a felony

And I have seen "studies" that say in general violent crime by illegals is greater than the population in general, 20% vs 15% and that even includes the exceptional high crime rate among blacks in the "general".

These reports also say it is very difficult to compile data on this because federal agencies intentionally make the data obtuse and difficult to find, if not outright non-existent. It appears the feds have long had a desire to hide this data.

And to sum up this argument tonight, there is an old cliche; "you can't argue logic with someone who arrived at their conclusion without using logic."

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 04:06 AM (mpXpK)

721 I regret coming here tonight.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 03, 2016 04:10 AM (VdICR)

722 Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 04:05 AM (Nhjs9)

Early morning stares. Only known remedy is Coffee. I'm out. I forgot to get it at the store yesterday. Now I have to drink that stuff my Wife likes.

Bummer of a hump day.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 04:14 AM (WVsWD)

723 Stick around for VNN, BourbonChicken. That will make your visit worthwhile.

Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 04:15 AM (Nhjs9)

724 Anyone try to click on the kittahs?
Good morning horde

Posted by: Skip at August 03, 2016 04:16 AM (bksJQ)

725 722 Early morning stares. Only known remedy is Coffee.
I'm out. I forgot to get it at the store yesterday. Now I have to drink
that stuff my Wife likes.

Bummer of a hump day.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 04:14 AM (WVsWD)

I have a small jar of "instant" that I keep in standby for emergencies such as running out. I have had it for a LONG time as I try not to have "running out emergencies" so that I get stuck with that vile shit.
And wifey doesn't drink coffee, she couldn't now even if she wanted to.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 04:17 AM (mpXpK)

726 Posted by: Skip at August 03, 2016 04:16 AM (bksJQ)

Yeah, It's just the same pic, a bit smaller.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 04:17 AM (WVsWD)

727 Tim, I believe being out of coffee is valid cause for a call to 911. Just tell the cops if they'll deliver a jumbo Breakfast Blend nobody gets hurt.

Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 04:17 AM (Nhjs9)

728 724
Anyone try to click on the kittahs?

Good morning horde

Posted by: Skip at August 03, 2016 04:16 AM (bksJQ)

Its just a smaller version of the same picture.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 04:19 AM (mpXpK)

729 Skip, I clicked on the kitties. Got more kitties. Same kitties. But just as cute.

Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 04:20 AM (Nhjs9)

730 Coffee is one commodity i think ive never been out of.

Posted by: Skip at August 03, 2016 04:21 AM (bksJQ)

731 Took a tour of the news sites. No good news anywhere. In face, no "new" news anywhere. Even our hell is stale.

Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 04:23 AM (Nhjs9)

732 My wife drinks stuff made from ground Coffee. I don't like the taste. I suppose I'll just sit here and ~~stew in my own juices[s/] boil in my own Coffee.~~

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 04:23 AM (WVsWD)

733

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 04:24 AM (WVsWD)

734 Test

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 04:24 AM (WVsWD)

735 Take that barrel!!

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 04:24 AM (WVsWD)

736 731
Took a tour of the news sites. No good news anywhere. In face, no "new" news anywhere. Even our hell is stale.

Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 04:23 AM (Nhjs9)

I have six pages of links for "new" stuff, or at least stuff that I haven't posted before.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 04:25 AM (mpXpK)

737 Thanks for reminding me Vic. Not only did I avoid the barrel but after Vic mentioned "emergency" I remembered my MRE Coffee packets that I had put away.

Win-win.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 04:33 AM (WVsWD)

738 Only asked about the pic because around her e you never know.
Yeah not seeing much new, but thats not a bad thing as most news seems to be bad.

Posted by: Skip at August 03, 2016 04:36 AM (bksJQ)

739 738
Only asked about the pic because around her e you never know.

Yeah not seeing much new, but thats not a bad thing as most news seems to be bad.

Posted by: Skip at August 03, 2016 04:36 AM (bksJQ)

That's another old cliche; "if it bleeds it leads". But add the MFM's all Obama all the time.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 04:38 AM (mpXpK)

740 Amazing what the discovery of coffee can do to a man's perspective. Welcome back, Tim.

Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 04:40 AM (Nhjs9)

741 Prager was reading headlines of NY newspaper about Hillary yesterday that was a lie just llike the crap that comes out of her mouth. They are just making it up now anyway.

Posted by: Skip at August 03, 2016 04:46 AM (bksJQ)

742 Keep an eye on your six, Tim.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: The Barrel at August 03, 2016 04:48 AM (mgbwf)

743 I llike coffee very hot otherwise like now ive had two cups already. It slows me down.

Posted by: Skip at August 03, 2016 04:48 AM (bksJQ)

744 Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 04:40 AM (Nhjs9)

I'm a grumpy old man without my Coffee.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 04:51 AM (WVsWD)

745 American newspapers have been lying to the public about politics since before the country was founded. The big difference now is that almost all of big ones are all Democrat all the time. And even the small town ones down South have been bought up by the conglomerates and turned into Democrat PR rags.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 04:54 AM (mpXpK)

746 Huelskamp in Kansas went down. July 15 the polls showed him with close to a 10 point lead. He got crushed in the primary by 12 points.

Polls, what are good for?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 05:00 AM (WVsWD)

747 There is no free press.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 03, 2016 05:00 AM (iQIUe)

748 Polls, what are good for?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 05:00 AM (WVsWD)
Absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Edwin Starr at August 03, 2016 05:03 AM (Nhjs9)

749 I have no faith in polls, i think they make it up. ( just asking the audience the questions they already know what they will get).

Posted by: Skip at August 03, 2016 05:05 AM (bksJQ)

750
Anytime a conservative tries to buy a paper the left goes ballistic.

Adelson, started a paper a conservative paper in Israel and it has been a success. Why? Because the majority of newspapers in Israel are extreme left and push policies that would destroy the country.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 03, 2016 05:05 AM (iQIUe)

751 Ow! Oh, man. I slept crooked on my left wrist and it's doing the hurt-weak-drop stuff thing. Just splashed coffee on my lap when it wouldn't hold the cup. I hate it when this happens.

Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 05:06 AM (Nhjs9)

752 746
Huelskamp in Kansas went down. July 15 the polls showed him with close
to a 10 point lead. He got crushed in the primary by 12 points.

Polls, what are good for?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 05:00 AM (WVsWD)

I have a link to that coming up. It appears that his opponent used Boner kicking him off the Agriculture Committee as his major weapon. This smells like a new RINO coming up with this "new" guy.
And since there is no Democrat opponent this was in effect the actual election.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 05:06 AM (mpXpK)

753 There is a good video at Bearing Arms of a guy who made a triple- double shotgun. Does seem a bit heavy, I'd use it as truck mounted weapon.

Posted by: Skip at August 03, 2016 05:07 AM (bksJQ)

754 say it again!

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 03, 2016 05:08 AM (i6Yqt)

755 Hey, good morning everyone.
Is the Huelskamp defeat a good thing or not? I know nothing about him or that race. Q

Posted by: L, Elle at August 03, 2016 05:08 AM (6IPEM)

756 And since there is no Democrat running you can bet that the Democrats voted in the Republican Primary for the "new" guy because Huelskamp was a solid conservative (which was why Boner kicked him off the committee in the first place)

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 05:11 AM (mpXpK)

757 Sounds like a wash from what Vic says, L, Elle. Trading one RINO for another. At least this one's fresh.

Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 05:12 AM (Nhjs9)

758 Posted by: L, Elle at August 03, 2016 05:08 AM (6IPEM)

Depends on your point of view I guess. There is no universal opinion on him.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 05:12 AM (WVsWD)

759 757
Sounds like a wash from what Vic says, L, Elle. Trading one RINO for another. At least this one's fresh.

Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 05:12 AM (Nhjs9)

Huelskamp was not a RINO, but this new guy is looking like one.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 05:13 AM (mpXpK)

760 At least this one's fresh.

Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 05:12 AM (Nhjs9)

Yupp. I'm of the general opinion that no one needs more than one term in Dee Cee.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 05:14 AM (WVsWD)

761 Huelskamp has had a mid 90s ACU rating for years.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 05:14 AM (mpXpK)

762 Many a congressman starts out as Mr Smith but within a very short time turn out to be Boehner

Posted by: Skip at August 03, 2016 05:14 AM (bksJQ)

763 Well im going to get out early because i have togather a few things to take to work.
Stay safe everyone

Posted by: Skip at August 03, 2016 05:16 AM (bksJQ)

764 The left have their champions in Congress -- Pelosi, Schumer, Durbin, etc. I can't even think of one off the top of my head that has accomplished anything to help us IRL or on an issue that matters to us

Posted by: L, Elle at August 03, 2016 05:18 AM (6IPEM)

765 meanwhile, in Misery, the SEAL won...

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/ republican-governors-race-tops-primary-contests-in-missouri/

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 03, 2016 05:20 AM (i6Yqt)

766 Many a congressman starts out as Mr Smith but within a very short time turn out to be Boehner
---
Mia Love only took a few weeks to go there...

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 03, 2016 05:22 AM (i6Yqt)

767 http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=H001057

Huelskamp gets a 87% lifetime rating. Close to RINO territory?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 05:23 AM (WVsWD)

768 Posted by: redc1c4 at August 03, 2016 05:20 AM (i6Yqt)

Link doesn't work for me.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 05:23 AM (WVsWD)

769 Link doesn't work for me.
---
take out the spaces...

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 03, 2016 05:25 AM (i6Yqt)

770 767 Huelskamp gets a 87% lifetime rating. Close to RINO territory?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 05:23 AM (WVsWD)

Not familiar with their rating system, but as I said, he has long had mid-90's rating from the ACU which makes a good case of being a conservative. And Boner kicking him off the Agriculture Committee for being too conservative is another good argument.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 05:27 AM (mpXpK)

771 I stand corrected on Huelskamp. He is evidently what passes for a conservative these days.

Posted by: creeper at August 03, 2016 05:31 AM (Nhjs9)

772 YMMV on Huelskamp.

He made no bones about being a #neverTrumper. Check his twitter timeline if you don't believe me.

I have no opinion of the man other than in general. No more career politicians.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 05:33 AM (WVsWD)

773 Being a "never Trumper" doesn't necessarily mean you are a RINO. Especially in a State that is known for voting heavy Republican in very election. Kansas has gone Republican by a wide margin in every election since 1996.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 05:40 AM (mpXpK)

774 I see the contrarian has made an auspicious return.

And Paul Ryan is an asshole...

Just because.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 03, 2016 05:42 AM (7C/kB)

775 Vic, I never said that. I am pointing out reasons why Huelskamp may have lost. Being a #never...... may have helped him in losing by such a wide margin.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 05:44 AM (WVsWD)

776 Anyone have any better info than the rumors I can find about Rick Perry going for Cruz's senate seat?

Now that would be an interesting one to watch.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 05:48 AM (WVsWD)

777 Huelskamp in Kansas went down. July 15 the polls showed him with close�to a 10 point lead. He got crushed in the primary by 12 points.�

Final score

Polls- 0
Status quo -0
Change -1

Interesting.

Posted by: free range sorta conservative at August 03, 2016 05:48 AM (ZnIt3)

778 I saw the most absurd HRC ad tonight. It showed small children, always connoisseurs of political broadcasting, watching assorted Trump giving offense highlights and suggesting that this was a very bad thing for the children. Who is the target voter for this? Soccer moms of the future?

At the age of the children in the ad, watching a political rally would be torture. I guess the assumption is that people who chose to have children rather than abort are really idiots who will believe anything.

Posted by: Epobirs at August 03, 2016 05:49 AM (IdCqF)

779 775
Vic, I never said that. I am pointing out reasons why Huelskamp may have
lost. Being a #never...... may have helped him in losing by such a wide
margin.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 05:44 AM (WVsWD)

The article I have coming up says he lost because of being kicked off the committee by Boner.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 05:50 AM (mpXpK)

780 776
Anyone have any better info than the rumors I can find about Rick Perry going for Cruz's senate seat?

Now that would be an interesting one to watch.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 05:48 AM (WVsWD)

I have seen nothing on that from any of the sites I go to for news links.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 05:51 AM (mpXpK)

781 Whatever the reason, Huelskamp lost. He can try again in two years.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 05:53 AM (WVsWD)

782
Good old England, treating children like dogs:

Disabled children are visiting prisons for weekly workouts with inmates

http://goo.gl/hTv406

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 03, 2016 05:54 AM (iQIUe)

783 If he did it might be a good thing if he knocked off RINO Cornyn.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 05:55 AM (mpXpK)

784 Looking to see if Perry has a twitter thing.

Like I said, it's rumors of rumors built upon a foundation of conjecture.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 03, 2016 05:59 AM (WVsWD)

785 "The invariable and basic rules of Islamic law are only those prescribed in the Shari'ah," Khan writes. "All other juridical work... must always be subordinated to the Shari'ah."

Breitbart doing the investigating of this lying constitution waving pos.

Posted by: free range sorta conservative at August 03, 2016 05:59 AM (ZnIt3)

786 Good Morning Morons. Today is Wednesday, August 03, 2016. On this day in 1852 the first American intercollegiate athletic event took place between Harvard and Yale. It was a boat race and Harvard won.
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Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 03, 2016 05:59 AM (mpXpK)

787 Warren Buffet tells Trump that he will release his tax returns if Trump will release his. Says he will help Scankles supporters get to the polls. I say piss on this showboating crap, what about Scankles? What has she promised Buffet? I say release her returns and the books for her scam charity.

http://tinyurl.com/zpm26ll