Overnight Open Thread (8-1-2016)

As for Aleppo - once a relatively modern, multicultural, and secularesque city - look at what happened.
History does not always move forward. There can be progress and regress. Nothing is guaranteed. Accept that far from being the exception, look at what happened in Aleppo as a return to the new normal. In an increasingly urban and destabilized world, there will be more Aleppos. More Grozny's.

Behold the fruits of Islamism.
-- CDR Salamander in The Siege of Aleppo and the Eternal Nature of War

Quote of the Day II

This is the same plan. It's air strikes, allies, and intelligence. It's just spoken with MORE ENERGY. In other words, the Trump strategy is the Obama strategy is the Clinton strategy - with the addition of trash talk. Neither potential commander-in-chief has given the slightest inclination that they're willing to do what it takes to speed up Obama's slow-motion war.

-- David French

Quote of the Day III

In any event, Clinton is responsible for helping create a Russian "Silicon Valley" that has enabled the Krelim to boost its military and surveillance capacity. And let's not forget her role in enabling Russia to gain control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States.
Russia has been well-served by Hillary Clinton's cluelessness and greed.
-- from How Hillary helped U.S. investors fund Russian research for military uses

Quote of the Day IV

Returning to the real estate scandal, that makes a total of five...yes, FIVE ethics investigations that are ongoing regarding the Mayor's administration. He attempted to laugh off the mounting accusations during a Politico interview, but then wound up abruptly cancelling a second interview with the New York Daily News before he could be asked any more questions.

-- from Bill de Blasio's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Week

Quote of the Day V - Because We're Givers Edition

"Already it's known that many deadly diseases that afflict humans were originally acquired through contact with animals. However new research from the University of Warwick shows that pathogens can also jump the species barrier to move from humans to animals."

Quote of the Day VI

But McConaughey doesn't want to be just a face. He has ideas. He's an idea man. And we know this because he said of his new job, "I don't want to be just a face. I have ideas. I'm an idea man." This brings us to my new favorite thing in the whole wide world, a segment I like to call Matthew McConaughey Talking About Millennials. The following are, I swear to God, real quotes, all of which I must insist you read in McConaughey's slow Texas drawl.

-- from Matthew McConaughey Is Now The Creative Director Of Wild Turkey Bourbon

ISIS Mocks Those Who Claim Islam is a Religion of Peace, Explains 'Why We Hate You' in New Magazine

After Big Losses Sore Loser Marilyn Mosby Looks at Changing the Rules

The phenomena I have described are part of what I call the war on standards. Because adherence to reasonable standards is the hallmark of a successful people (as it is on a personal level), the war on standards is insidious.

Now, in the aftermath of the Freddie Gray trials, we see the same imperative of outcomes that drives the war on standards prompting stirrings for something potentially more disturbing - an attack on liberty.

The End of the Women's Olympic Events

Harper made the startling claim that we might see "an all-intersex podium in the 800 in Rio and I wouldn't be surprised to see as many as five intersex women in the eight-person final."

Perhaps a better term would be the non-men's events.

Obama: I'm Pretty Tired of Certain People Trash-talking America's Military and Troops

Chinese Mole Uncovered Inside the FBI

Today the Department of Justice revealed that a longtime employee of the Federal Bureau of Investigation has been charged with espionage on behalf of China, his homeland. Kun Shan Chun, who was employed by the FBI since 1997, was arrested back in March of this year and has already pleaded guilty to his betrayal.

Chun, who went by "Joey," worked for nearly two decades as an electronics technician with the FBI's huge New York field office, where ten percent of the Bureau is assigned. He held Top Secret security clearances since 1998. Part of his job, as one of the legions of technical personnel who support the FBI's storied special agents, included accessing classified information. It seems safe to assume that was what Chun was sharing with Beijing.

Hungry Venezuelans Weep at Sight of Food

Tearful Venezuelans had gone weeks without basic food items like milk, flour and toilet paper. It's a sad but common part of daily life today in crisis-ridden Venezuela, a country that has the world's largest proven reserves of oil. Colombian officials estimate that about 100,000 Venezuelans crossed the border.

Abandoned Prepper Cabin

Which almost certainly is neither. But what makes the video amusing is the amount of hate and dumbassery in the comments over a fairly innocuous video. It seems to be the consensus of commenters that the poster's penis is unusually small. And also that his mother performs sex acts for remuneration.

Honeymooning on the Battlefields of WWII

In 1947 Ernest Kreiling toured the battlefields of Europe by bike with his new bride and retraced the same ground that he had fought on as an American soldier.

Gisele B�ndchen to Be Assaulted and Robbed During the Olympic Opening Ceremony

While "The Girl from Ipanema" is playing. It will be a "message of peace".

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1 damn

Posted by: phoenixgirl you must fight for independence EVERYDAY at August 01, 2016 10:49 PM (0O7c5)

2 Woot woot ONT

Posted by: Mis. Hum. at August 01, 2016 10:49 PM (voOPb)

3 Democratic Authoritarianism in Turkey

What began as a rallying cry for "democracy" has now turned into a purge of dissenters. The failed coup in Turkey, whether a "Reichstag" moment or simply a pathetic attempt at a coup, has given Erdogan the excuse to declare a state of emergency, suspend human rights, and purge dissenters from any position of power. Standing up for democracy, then, is leading to the destruction of democracy.

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=12265

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 01, 2016 10:50 PM (vBeA5)

4 And you thought Obama worship was bad...

"This Hillary Clinton Coloring Book Is Jam-Packed With Girl Power"

http://preview.tinyurl.com/jzlfs3b

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 01, 2016 10:51 PM (vBeA5)

5 Her husband's to Aleppo gone
Master o' the Tiger

Posted by: Insomniac at August 01, 2016 10:52 PM (0mRoj)

6 Posted by: The Political Hat at August 01, 2016 10:50 PM (vBeA5)

And believe me, Obama is taking notes!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 01, 2016 10:52 PM (wYnyS)

7 But, but, but, Aasad is a reformer. A different kind of reformer

Posted by: Mis. Hum. at August 01, 2016 10:53 PM (voOPb)

8 Holy cattle!

Posted by: cthulhu at August 01, 2016 10:54 PM (EzgxV)

9 Utah has the best national parks. Canyonlands is a fantastic place. Read Desert Solitaire by Edward Abbey and you'll fall in love with southeastern Utah.

Posted by: Frank Waturi - Advertising Dept: American Panoscope at August 01, 2016 10:54 PM (jjNBN)

10 remember when the olympics would kick out men posing as women? remember that?

Posted by: phoenixgirl you must fight for independence EVERYDAY at August 01, 2016 10:55 PM (0O7c5)

11 Thanks for the ONT.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 01, 2016 10:55 PM (3ZoRf)

12 remember when the olympics would kick out men posing as women? remember that?
Posted by: phoenixgirl you must fight for independence EVERYDAY

Some of us got caught in the crossfire.

Posted by: East German Women's Gymnastics Team at August 01, 2016 10:56 PM (UPYhp)

13 Was that President David French?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 01, 2016 10:56 PM (IqV8l)

14 Evenin' everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 01, 2016 10:56 PM (T/cxb)

15 Matthew McConaughey in Dazed and Confused.

Later Boners and Bonerettes.

Posted by: Cactus of Libetty at August 01, 2016 10:56 PM (fvkPE)

16
"I wouldn't be surprised to see as many as five intersex women in the eight-person final."

"Mommy, why does that lady have a pinkle?"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 01, 2016 10:57 PM (kdS6q)

17 Posted by: The Political Hat at August 01, 2016 10:50 PM (vBeA5)

The world's taking a sharp lurch towards fascism lately, and it's starting to make me very nervous. What is there that any of us can realistically do about it?

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 01, 2016 10:57 PM (J+mig)

18 Was that President David French?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.

He's a rocket scientist too. And a singer - songwriter.

Multi-talented.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at August 01, 2016 10:58 PM (S6Pax)

19 The world's taking a sharp lurch towards fascism
lately, and it's starting to make me very nervous. What is there that
any of us can realistically do about it?

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 01, 2016 10:57 PM (J+mig)

Buy ammo and try not to get noticed!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 01, 2016 10:59 PM (wYnyS)

20 evening

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at August 01, 2016 10:59 PM (R5HRU)

21 >>>He's a rocket scientist too. And a singer - songwriter.

Multi-talented.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at August 01, 2016 10:58 PM (S6Pax)<<<

And he makes a mean mustard.

Posted by: hotdogs everywhere at August 01, 2016 10:59 PM (H9MG5)

22 Hola all.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 01, 2016 10:59 PM (heN73)

23 I think Daveed Francais is wrong, wrong, wrong, just like Bill Kristol was wrong in thinking that potzer is presidential material.

Trump's promise to "bomb the shit out of them" is miles ahead of the current Obama strategy of just picking off a few of them here and there with drone strikes, not mention Hillary's strategy of actually arming them so they can fight back against said drone strikes.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at August 01, 2016 10:59 PM (0OG8D)

24 Liam Neeson in Taken.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 01, 2016 11:00 PM (3ZoRf)

25 Harper made the startling claim that we might see "an all-~~intersex~~impersonator podium in the 800 in Rio and I wouldn't be surprised to see as many as five ~~intersex women~~ female impersonators in the eight-person final."

Fixed, for accuracy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2016 11:00 PM (f3Uae)

26 The world's taking a sharp lurch towards fascism
lately, and it's starting to make me very nervous. What is there that
any of us can realistically do about it?

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party

Go long on jackboots and riding crops. It's what all the fashionable fascists will be wearing and carrying next year.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at August 01, 2016 11:00 PM (S6Pax)

27 Posted by: East German Women's Gymnastics Team at August 01, 2016 10:56 PM (UPYhp)

That was actually the mens wrestling team. They just changed uniforms. No one noticed.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 01, 2016 11:00 PM (WVsWD)

28 17 Posted by: The Political Hat at August 01, 2016 10:50 PM (vBeA5)

The world's taking a sharp lurch towards fascism lately, and it's starting to make me very nervous. What is there that any of us can realistically do about it?
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 01, 2016 10:57 PM (J+mig)

Think globally and act locally?

Posted by: Insomniac at August 01, 2016 11:00 PM (0mRoj)

29 Yoko free.

It's a good start.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 01, 2016 11:01 PM (gyKtp)

30 Liam Neeson in Taken.

Posted by: Aetius451AD

Taken? Keep him.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at August 01, 2016 11:01 PM (S6Pax)

31 >>>Go long on jackboots and riding crops. It's what all the fashionable fascists will be wearing and carrying next year.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future at August 01, 2016 11:00 PM (S6Pax)<<<

Berets and shoulder parrots are also must haves.

Posted by: zombie Hugo Chavez at August 01, 2016 11:01 PM (H9MG5)

32 The world's taking a sharp lurch towards fascism
lately, and it's starting to make me very nervous. What is there that
any of us can realistically do about it?

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 01, 2016 10:57 PM (J+mig)

Buy ammo and try not to get noticed!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 01, 2016 10:59 PM (wYnyS)

Up until recently I thought us freedom/gun lovers etc. should be loud and proud and let them know we're here and see our numbers.

I'm not so sure now that's such a hot idea.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 01, 2016 11:02 PM (heN73)

33 Sean Connery in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

Harrison Ford as Han Solo or Indiana Jones.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 01, 2016 11:02 PM (3ZoRf)

34 >>>Hillary's strategy of actually arming them so they can fight back against said drone strikes.
-----

Hell, her & Ryan will move 'em here

Posted by: Mis. Hum. at August 01, 2016 11:02 PM (voOPb)

35 The world's taking a sharp lurch towards fascism lately, and it's starting to make me very nervous. What is there that any of us can realistically do about it?
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 01, 2016 10:57 PM (J+mig)

****

Realistically? No, not much.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 01, 2016 11:02 PM (YLidQ)

36 Go long on jackboots and riding crops. It's what all the fashionable fascists will be wearing and carrying next year.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...pondering the future

Could we see Kate Upton modeling them...
for educational purposes of course.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 01, 2016 11:02 PM (UPYhp)

37 OK, what is this ONT about?

I'm busy taking care of the wife now, no time to figure out what is going on here.

Posted by: Farmer at August 01, 2016 11:02 PM (o/90i)

38 Based on the latest polls...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

I've got Clinton winning 385-153.

http://www.270towin.com/maps/pD8Dl

What's your map look like?

Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at August 01, 2016 11:04 PM (bhbDH)

39 Could we see Kate Upton modeling them...
for educational purposes of course.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 01, 2016 11:02 PM (UPYhp)

Just the jackboots and riding crop, of course. No extraneous items.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2016 11:04 PM (f3Uae)

40 Religion of Peace, my ass!

More like the Religion of the Perpetually Aggrieved in my experience.

Posted by: Fritz at August 01, 2016 11:05 PM (WYh6/)

41 Aleppo reminds me more of Sarajevo than Grozny.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 01, 2016 11:05 PM (EZebt)

42 What's wrong with Mrs. Farmer?

Posted by: Mis. Hum. at August 01, 2016 11:05 PM (voOPb)

43 So actual women will probably never medal in anything other than gymnastics ever again?

Posted by: eleven at August 01, 2016 11:05 PM (qUNWi)

44 I like how so many stories related to Venezuela seem to treat all the problems like natural disasters that were not forseen 16 years ago.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 01, 2016 11:05 PM (3ZoRf)

45 I've got Clinton winning 385-153.

http://www.270towin.com/maps/pD8Dl

What's your map look like?
Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at August 01, 2016 11:04 PM (bhbDH)

****

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 01, 2016 11:06 PM (YLidQ)

46 This is the same plan. It's air strikes, allies, and intelligence. It's just spoken with MORE ENERGY. In other words, the Trump strategy is the Obama strategy is the Clinton strategy

=====

I took an Amtrak to Chicago that was over an hour late! I figure no matter who gets in, they'll make the trains run on time

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 01, 2016 11:06 PM (F+xWX)

47 What's your map look like?

Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at August 01, 2016 11:04 PM (bhbDH)

Well, for one, it's not printed on a ZigZag cigarette paper with a magenta crayon.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2016 11:06 PM (f3Uae)

48 I'm not so sure now that's such a hot idea.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 01, 2016 11:02 PM (heN73)

I think the near future will be an excellent time to be pretty much unnoticed, and preferably invisible!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 01, 2016 11:06 PM (wYnyS)

49
And he makes a mean mustard.
Posted by: hotdogs everywhere

Mean Mister Mustard sleeps in the park
Shaves in the dark trying to save paper

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 01, 2016 11:07 PM (IqV8l)

50 I like how so many stories related to Venezuela seem to treat all the problems like natural disasters that were not forseen 16 years ago.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Like how acts of terrorism are portrayed as accidents?
"Truck crash kills several in crowd in Nice"

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 01, 2016 11:07 PM (UPYhp)

51 Like how acts of terrorism are portrayed as accidents?
"Truck crash kills several in crowd in Nice"
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 01, 2016 11:07 PM (UPYhp)

Migrant killed in German explosion.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 01, 2016 11:08 PM (3ZoRf)

52 I like how so many stories related to Venezuela seem to treat all the problems like natural disasters that were not forseen 16 years ago.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 01, 2016 11:05 PM (3ZoRf)

If the bottom hadn't fallen out of oil in December, the crash in Venezuela would have been delayed by hundreds of days.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2016 11:08 PM (f3Uae)

53 Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis

That'll clear up if you stop eating Cheetohs when you watch porn.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 01, 2016 11:08 PM (T/cxb)

54 Hey everybody.

I know I've complained a lot here about conservative-hating Jeffrey Wells and his blog Hollywood Elsewhere, and it's a slog to read through his Hillary propaganda. Unfortunately his site is also great not only for discovering exciting new flicks, he's also great with the trivia:

It turns out today is the 34th anniversary of the great Twilight Zone: The Movie on-set helicopter accident that took Vic Morrow's and several kids' lives. John Landis' career was apparently never quite the same afterwards either, although he did continue to have some success and directed the (in)famous Thriller video with Michael Jackson.

http://tinyurl.com/z3coxm4

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 01, 2016 11:08 PM (q7T0y)

55 A friend of mine is a retired USAF F-16 pilot. He told me the other day that he wasn't sure who he would vote for. I told him the choice is between a psycho and liar or Trump. He said Trump was a buffoon and the world lose respect for us.
WTF??

I just stared at him shaking my head.

Posted by: Cheri at August 01, 2016 11:08 PM (TmVQX)

56
Liquor ads are insanely off-topic and shameless. I like the ones Claire Forlani did for Dewar's, which are insanely off-topic and shameless.

http://tinyurl.com/jggdll9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0DUeJhMyUo

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 01, 2016 11:09 PM (5o5ek)

57 You don't have to go all the way to Aleppo to see the rise and fall of civilization.

Just go to Detroit.

Or the south side of Chicago.

Or any big/medium sized city's slum areas.

And those slums weren't created by muzzies. Thanks to four terms of the New Deal, and the relentless leftists who never give up, we did that ourselves.

But adding muzzies to the leftists is a very dangerous force multiplier.

Posted by: Boots at August 01, 2016 11:10 PM (EBwPV)

58 I want to see a liquor ad that's presented like your standard medication commmercial:

"Ask your doctor if liquor is right for you!"
:-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 01, 2016 11:10 PM (q7T0y)

59 He said Trump was a buffoon and the world lose respect for us.

WTF??

I just stared at him shaking my head.

Posted by: Cheri at August 01, 2016 11:08 PM (TmVQX)

As if the rest of the world's opinion matters. The rest of the world is a place that puts countries like Libya in charge of the UN Human Rights Commission. As if there's anything we could do to top that level of buffoonery.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 01, 2016 11:11 PM (J+mig)

60 OK, the tone of the Uproxx article was all mocky mocky and Matthew McConauhey is lame, but I watched the video.

(a) McConaughey is fascinating and I could watch him rocking on a chair on a porch'

(ii) it's about Bourbon for gosh's sakes, and Bourbon is proof that God loves us'

(3) this is extremely well done marketing. Here's our family which has been making Bourbon for 1/3 of the entire history of Bourbon.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 01, 2016 11:11 PM (mgbwf)

61 Oh wow...........

Now, this place is quoting David French?

All righty, then.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 01, 2016 11:11 PM (72N6L)

62 I just stared at him shaking my head.

Posted by: Cheri at August 01, 2016 11:08 PM (TmVQX)

Trump is an alpha male. Seems many people have trouble dealing with that.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2016 11:11 PM (f3Uae)

63 commmmmmmmmmmmmmmercial

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 01, 2016 11:11 PM (q7T0y)

64 Posted by: Cheri at August 01, 2016 11:08 PM (TmVQX)

So he thinks the world respects us now?

LOLWTF

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at August 01, 2016 11:11 PM (R5HRU)

65 See WZ: $65,000 cake to celebrate Hugo Chazev' birthday while Venezuelans starve.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at August 01, 2016 11:11 PM (Nwg0u)

66 >>>As if there's anything we could do to top that level of buffoonery.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 01, 2016 11:11 PM (J+mig)<<<

Obama into Presidency... twice.

Posted by: the 52% at August 01, 2016 11:11 PM (H9MG5)

67
He said Trump was a buffoon and the world lose respect for us.
WTF??

I just stared at him shaking my head.
Posted by: Cheri at August 01, 2016 11:08 PM

The head of the VFW chastised Trump today over the Kahn krap.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 01, 2016 11:12 PM (IqV8l)

68 He said Trump was a buffoon and the world lose respect for us.
WTF??

I just stared at him shaking my head.
Posted by: Cheri

Right, because electing a mincing, narcissistic nancy-boy who can't order at a drive-thru without a teleprompter just gained us loads of respect.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 01, 2016 11:12 PM (UPYhp)

69 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2016 11:11 PM (f3Uae)

I don't think he's an alpha male, I just think he's a blowhard who shoots his mouth off because he has no filter. I think that's what turns people off.

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at August 01, 2016 11:12 PM (R5HRU)

70 So the new guy's stamp on Wild Turkey will be to market it to metrosexuals with beards, lumberjack shirts, and drive a Prius if they have a vehicle. Then there are the guys demographic to target.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2016 11:12 PM (T+std)

71 65 See WZ: $65,000 cake to celebrate Hugo Chazev' birthday while Venezuelans starve.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at August 01, 2016 11:11 PM (Nwg0u)

Have to check that out. Honestly I cannot get how you get a $65k cake.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 01, 2016 11:12 PM (3ZoRf)

72 >>>So he thinks the world respects us now?

LOLWTF
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at August 01, 2016 11:11 PM (R5HRU)<<<

We do the sex to you. No respect. You go now.

Posted by: China at August 01, 2016 11:13 PM (H9MG5)

73 The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing us that his plan to destroy the souls of men, was only a Religion of Peace.

Posted by: The Pint Sized Slasher at August 01, 2016 11:13 PM (3v713)

74
See WZ: $65,000 cake to celebrate Hugo Chazev' birthday while Venezuelans starve.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at August 01, 2016 11:11 PM

Let the bosses eat cake.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 01, 2016 11:13 PM (IqV8l)

75 Have to check that out. Honestly I cannot get how you get a $65k cake.

Does Margot Robbie pop out of it?

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 01, 2016 11:13 PM (q7T0y)

76 Is that a real picture of Utah and not a movie drawing?

Posted by: goatweed at August 01, 2016 11:13 PM (CBcnm)

77 Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 01, 2016 11:12 PM (3ZoRf)

Lot's of gold flakes, truffle oil and cocaine liquefied into the frosting?

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at August 01, 2016 11:13 PM (R5HRU)

78 Have to check that out. Honestly I cannot get how you get a $65k cake.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 01, 2016 11:12 PM (3ZoRf)

Union labor.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2016 11:13 PM (f3Uae)

79 Maduros was Marie Antoinette in a previous life?

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2016 11:13 PM (T+std)

80 Oddly enough my 20 year old son works as a cook at a Venezuelan restaurant in town. Foods great but now I feel guilty.

Posted by: Cheri at August 01, 2016 11:14 PM (TmVQX)

81 We saw Free State of Jones a few weeks and loved it. Matthew McConaughey did a fine job in the starring role.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT Hobbit at August 01, 2016 11:14 PM (nvMvs)

82 TFG was quick to defend Turkey's "democratic institutions " the night of the coup and has been silently approving Erdogan's destruction of them ever since.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 01, 2016 11:14 PM (EZebt)

83 He said Trump was a buffoon and the world lose respect for us.
WTF??

Posted by: Cheri at August 01, 2016 11:08 PM (TmVQX)

And he cares about this ...why? Does the world respect us for having a Negro President? Really? It doesn't look like it to me.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 01, 2016 11:15 PM (SRKgf)

84 He said Trump was a buffoon and the world lose respect for us.

-
Hillary has world respect out the ass.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at August 01, 2016 11:15 PM (Nwg0u)

85 re: Chavez Cake

Did not seem to have extraordinarily expensive ingredients. It was just a massive cake.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 01, 2016 11:15 PM (3ZoRf)

86 >>>So the new guy's stamp on Wild Turkey will be to
market it to metrosexuals with beards, lumberjack shirts, and drive a
~~Prius~~ if they have a vehicle. Then there are the guys demographic to
target.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2016 11:12 PM (T+std)<<<

Ahem... Lincoln. I shill for Lincoln. **goes off to play bongos while naked**

Posted by: Matthew McConaughey at August 01, 2016 11:15 PM (H9MG5)

87 The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was
convincing us that his plan to destroy the souls of men, was only a
Religion of Peace.

Posted by: The Pint Sized Slasher at August 01, 2016 11:13 PM (3v713)

George Bush sure didn't slow the devil down on that one,

nor has any political figure anywhere in the world so far.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 01, 2016 11:16 PM (wYnyS)

88 I don't think he's an alpha male, I just think he's a blowhard who shoots his mouth off because he has no filter. I think that's what turns people off.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at August 01, 2016 11:12 PM (R5HRU)

****

Then you are not getting what it is about him that has gotten him the Nom.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 01, 2016 11:17 PM (YLidQ)

89 Have to check that out. Honestly I cannot get how you get a $65k cake.///

Have Hillary or Bill bake it. It would be cheaper than a speech.

Posted by: Willy J. at August 01, 2016 11:17 PM (BZey7)

90 73
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing us that his plan
to destroy the souls of men, was only a Religion of Peace.

Posted by: The Pint Sized Slasher at August 01, 2016 11:13 PM (3v713)

The False Prophet's coming was foretold a long time ago. Seems like he showed up 1400 years ago and nobody really noticed it was him.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 01, 2016 11:17 PM (J+mig)

91

I just stared at him shaking my head

=====

i get it, just don't agree with it.

people got sold on that new world order crap from ghw bush and can't recognise old school nationalism anymore.

what they don't seem to see is the same crew of parasitic assholes that raided Russia during the 90s as part of that new world order are now here, feasting like locusts, with the same effects on the populace. if we continue in the same way, we will wind up the same way.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at August 01, 2016 11:18 PM (F+xWX)

92 Obama: I'm Pretty Tired of Certain People Trash-talking America's Military and Troops
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Which reminds me, did Chris Wallace ask Hillary if Bill still "Loathes the military"? I would have.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 01, 2016 11:18 PM (J3phO)

93 George Bush sure didn't slow the devil down on that one,

nor has any political figure anywhere in the world so far.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 01, 2016 11:16 PM (wYnyS)

Say What?

Posted by: The Karling Dynasty at August 01, 2016 11:18 PM (J+mig)

94 Did the VFW take Clinton to task for basically calling Pat Smith a liar?

Prince Ludwig - amazing how otherwise intelligent people can be so blind.

Posted by: Cheri at August 01, 2016 11:18 PM (TmVQX)

95 Maduros was Marie Antoinette in a previous life?

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2016 11:13 PM (T+std)

Hey Anna, do you know if new-manufacture fuel pumps for air-cooled VW's are made with ethanol-proof rubber in them?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2016 11:18 PM (f3Uae)

96 Concentrate and ask again

Posted by: Magic 8 Ball at August 01, 2016 11:18 PM (/wm8n)

97 Egads.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 01, 2016 11:19 PM (wB8Tg)

98
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 01, 2016 11:17 PM (YLidQ)

He speaks his mind, I didn't say he was a pussy. Not to mention he's said shit we've been talking about for awhile and lamented nobody on the national scene has brought it up.

Just don't think he's some alpha dog. *shrug* YMMV

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at August 01, 2016 11:19 PM (R5HRU)

99 Bourbon: It's what's for dinner!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at August 01, 2016 11:19 PM (Nwg0u)

100 Love Zion. A kind of arid, 3/4 scale Yosemite without the crowds. Beautiful. A trip is in order.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at August 01, 2016 11:20 PM (/WPPJ)

101 Will Forte in MacGruber.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 01, 2016 11:20 PM (VdICR)

102 Bourbon: It's what's for dinner!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs

breakfast too.
*Hic*

Posted by: Hillary! (Pandering, Drunk or both?) at August 01, 2016 11:20 PM (UPYhp)

103 AoP, I don't know.

Egads what Merovign?

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2016 11:21 PM (T+std)

104 65 See WZ: $65,000 cake to celebrate Hugo Chazev' birthday while Venezuelans starve.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at August 01, 2016 11:11 PM (Nwg0u)

Out of curiosity, how come nobody ever actually links a Weasel Zippers post here? It's always "See WZ". Is it taboo or something?

Posted by: rickl at August 01, 2016 11:22 PM (sdi6R)

105 Let the bosses eat cake.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.
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We always get cake.

Posted by: Hiallary, Oligarch at August 01, 2016 11:22 PM (J3phO)

106 Good nite morons

Thanks for the ONT Maet

Posted by: Mis. Hum. at August 01, 2016 11:22 PM (voOPb)

107 Have to check that out. Honestly I cannot get how you get a $65k cake.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 01, 2016 11:12 PM (3ZoRf)

Let's ask Cake Girl!!

Posted by: Country Boy at August 01, 2016 11:22 PM (heN73)

108 Out of curiosity, how come nobody ever actually links a Weasel Zippers post here? It's always "See WZ". Is it taboo or something?
Posted by: rickl at August 01, 2016 11:22 PM (sdi6R)

I always do that because I figure a lot of people check out it or Instapundit anyway.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 01, 2016 11:22 PM (3ZoRf)

109 later all. 5:15 cometh

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at August 01, 2016 11:23 PM (R5HRU)

110 Don't know if it's been said yet but, um, toilet paper isn't food.

Posted by: Bill R. at August 01, 2016 11:23 PM (jKUeC)

111 Oh Merovign, if you are interested

http://tanstaaflpress.com/enter-the-anthologies-submission-guidelines/

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2016 11:23 PM (T+std)

112 toilet paper isn't food.

-
It's not a traditional food.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at August 01, 2016 11:24 PM (Nwg0u)

113 Bush's top adviser, Sally Bradshaw, has left the Republican Party to become an independent, and says if the presidential race in Florida is close, she'll vote for Hillary Clinton.

Bradshaw, who's been close to the former Florida governor for decades and was senior adviser to his 2016 campaign, officially switched her registration to unaffiliated. She told CNN's Jamie Gangel in an email interview that the GOP is "at a crossroads and have nominated a total narcissist -- a misogynist -- a bigot."

... I understand the unhappiness, but having a staff that would switch to voting Hillary, tells me that Jeb Bush is dead nationally.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 01, 2016 11:24 PM (e8kgV)

114 Don't know if it's been said yet but, um, toilet paper isn't food.

It's alimentary , dear Watson.

Posted by: eleven at August 01, 2016 11:24 PM (qUNWi)

115 You all have a good night.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 01, 2016 11:24 PM (3ZoRf)

116 #98: I don't know; I think a guy who's built up a $10 billion fortune from, at the least generous estimates, around $400 million, has created tens of thousands of jobs in the process, has a supermodel wife and a whole stable full of awesome, well-adjusted children, counts as an alpha male in my book.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at August 01, 2016 11:24 PM (0OG8D)

117 Or

http://talnexus.com/calliope-authors-workshop/

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2016 11:25 PM (T+std)

118
Russia has been well-served by Hillary Clinton's cluelessness and greed.

-------------------------

I can't believe Putin prefers Trump. Putin could shake Hillary like a dog with a kitten in its jaws.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 01, 2016 11:25 PM (5o5ek)

119 McConaughey, I'm not a big fan but that mocking article mocked itself. It has GOPe written through and through.

Posted by: FEMA at August 01, 2016 11:25 PM (DKDOJ)

120 Is that a real picture of Utah and not a movie drawing?
Posted by: goatweed at August 01, 2016 11:13 PM

Yes, it is.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 01, 2016 11:25 PM (OF/aZ)

121 Night Aetius.

Posted by: eleven at August 01, 2016 11:25 PM (qUNWi)

122 ... I understand the unhappiness, but having a
staff that would switch to voting Hillary, tells me that Jeb Bush is
dead nationally.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 01, 2016 11:24 PM (e8kgV)

He'll never be President. His kin have already seen to that by embracing globalism and furthering the cause of those neo-fascists at the expense of the American people.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 01, 2016 11:26 PM (J+mig)

123 #98: I don't know; I think a guy who's built up a $10 billion fortune from, at the least generous estimates, around $400 million, has created tens of thousands of jobs in the process, has a supermodel wife and a whole stable full of awesome, well-adjusted children, counts as an alpha male in my book.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at August 01, 2016 11:24 PM (0OG8D)

Or he's the world's greatest bullshitter.

At this point, either one is fine with me.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 01, 2016 11:26 PM (heN73)

124 AOP - How about switching to electric?

Posted by: Hiallary, Oligarch at August 01, 2016 11:27 PM (J3phO)

125
... I understand the unhappiness, but having a staff that would switch to voting Hillary, tells me that Jeb Bush is dead nationally.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 01, 2016 11:24 PM (e8kgV)
-------------------

Has there been any doubt about that? Because ... dear God ... the final scene in Fatal Attraction ...

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 01, 2016 11:27 PM (5o5ek)

126 AOP - How about switching to electric?
Posted by: Hiallary, Oligarch
======

Oops. Sheds Hill sock.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 01, 2016 11:27 PM (J3phO)

127 Better a BS artist than 200lbs of bovine scat in a $42,000 Mao pantsuit.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2016 11:27 PM (T+std)

128 "He has ideas. He's an idea man. And we know this because he said of his
new job, 'I don't want to be just a face. I have ideas. I'm an idea
man.'"

Sheesh, they should have hired Newt Gingrich.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 01, 2016 11:28 PM (noWW6)

129 I can't believe Putin prefers Trump. Putin could shake Hillary like a dog with a kitten in its jaws.

-
Reset button. They're afraid of the reset button.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at August 01, 2016 11:28 PM (Nwg0u)

130 If you get a chance to go to Zion, do it. I did the Virgin River Narrows hike. Amazing scenery with spring water flowing out of the rock walls.

Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at August 01, 2016 11:28 PM (N4ERe)

131 Or he's the world's greatest bullshitter.

At this point, either one is fine with me.
Posted by: Country Boy at August 01, 2016 11:26 PM (heN73)

*****

If that were the case, his business would have been 20 years ago.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 01, 2016 11:28 PM (YLidQ)

132 I have no interest in any hagiography of Trump.

But bashing him at this point is just support for Hillary fucking Clinton.

To which I say, go fuck yourself.

Posted by: eleven at August 01, 2016 11:29 PM (qUNWi)

133 The Chavez cake is likely priced at the 'official' exchange rate, which is as far removed from reality as HRC

Posted by: In Exile at August 01, 2016 11:29 PM (NHXI1)

134 If he just stops the bleeding and seals the border he shall have made great achievement. That's a hope.

Posted by: FEMA at August 01, 2016 11:30 PM (DKDOJ)

135 Putin is playing real politiks again. If Hillary! wins, he's already cutting her off at the knees on the global stage.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2016 11:30 PM (T+std)

136 Does anyone know what countries Presdent Obama will visit next? We all think he should go to Russia and tell Putin that Trump is a liar and untrustworthy............

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at August 01, 2016 11:30 PM (Fbj4h)

137 I understand the unhappiness, but having a staff that would switch to voting Hillary, tells me that Jeb Bush is dead nationally.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy

She probably would have vote Hillary! even if Jebby were the nominee because she's a prog. Seriously, if these repube consultants were clandestine democrats trying to undermine the gop, what would they do differently?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 01, 2016 11:30 PM (UPYhp)

138 The Chavez cake is likely priced at the 'official' exchange rate, which is as far removed from reality as HRC
Posted by: In Exile
------------

So, actually, $6.50 US?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 01, 2016 11:30 PM (J3phO)

139 AOP - How about switching to electric?
Posted by: Hiallary, Oligarch
======

Oops. Sheds Hill sock.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 01, 2016 11:27 PM (J3phO)

I'm thinking that's exactly what I will do. Eliminates the failure mode of a cracked fuel pump diaphragm dumping the contents of the fuel tank into the oil pan. Also reduces, or at least tends to reduce vapor lock, which is also aggravated by ethanol-polluted fuel.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2016 11:31 PM (f3Uae)

140 If that were the case, his business would have been DOA 20 years ago.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 01, 2016 11:28 PM (YLidQ)

****

Correction. Ugghhh.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 01, 2016 11:31 PM (YLidQ)

141 The end of women's sports in Rio?

Congratulations, feminists! The LGBTQ movement has just ruined your Title IX (at least its original scope of equality within sports programs, and ensured that men who identify as women will be getting most of your sports titles/awards except for those performance type sports where being small and graceful is an asset.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 01, 2016 11:31 PM (NOIQH)

142 When the choice is so stark, and Hillary's corrupt evil self-serving nature is so easily seen, I cannot fathom why any sane person would vote for Hillary.

Sadly, I was also sure that people wouldn't vote for Obama again either. Maybe the "sane" qualifier should be reconsidered?

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 01, 2016 11:31 PM (wYnyS)

143
138 The Chavez cake is likely priced at the 'official' exchange rate, which is as far removed from reality as HRC
Posted by: In Exile
------------

So, actually, $6.50 US?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 01, 2016 11:30 P

Sounds about right. I remember reading that burgers were like $100

Posted by: In Exile at August 01, 2016 11:31 PM (NHXI1)

144 "He has ideas. He's an idea man. And we know this because he said of his new job, 'I don't want to be just a face. I have ideas. I'm an idea man.'"

-----

Sounds like Kanye West! "I have ideas that can make the human race's existence better!"

Posted by: RKae at August 01, 2016 11:31 PM (dEOdh)

145 David French dissing on Trump?

This is my shocked face.

And TFG adds returning veterans to the watchlist for 'potential terrorists', but Trump is the bad guy here.

*my irony meter is in the trash as it is useless in TFG's America*

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 01, 2016 11:32 PM (gyKtp)

146 I don't know who this David French is, but with those few words I can tell that he is a principled real conservative.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 01, 2016 11:32 PM (P/kVC)

147 69
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2016 11:11 PM (f3Uae)

I don't think he's an alpha male, I just think he's a blowhard who
shoots his mouth off because he has no filter. I think that's what turns
people off.

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at August 01, 2016 11:12 PM (R5HRU)

You miss the point that "blowhard who shoots his mouth off because he has no filter" is pretty close to the definition of alpha male. Filters are for people who have to choose their words carefully -- betas. Alphas merely have to posture to cow their opposition = blowhards.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 01, 2016 11:32 PM (EzgxV)

148 $65,000 cake?

$100 for actual cake
$64,900 baker's insurance policy for when some asshole gets triggered and sues.

But that's just in America.

Posted by: Frank Waturi - Advertising Dept: American Panoscope at August 01, 2016 11:33 PM (jjNBN)

149 All you need to know about David French is, when he, a JINO, joined the George Bush staff he was afraid of the 'icky Christians'

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2016 11:33 PM (T+std)

150 Sounds like Kanye West! "I have ideas that can make the human race's existence better!"
Posted by: RKae
--------------

People have no idea what I can do!

Posted by: Ahmed the clock designer at August 01, 2016 11:33 PM (J3phO)

151 Putin has his own reset button, assuming Wikileaks costs her the election.

It's not a matter of liking, it's a matter of trusting. This is like Casino Royale where Mr White shows up on the ship and shoots the villain between the eyes, while everyone wonders what the hell just happened.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 01, 2016 11:33 PM (VdICR)

152 76
Is that a real picture of Utah and not a movie drawing?

Posted by: goatweed at August 01, 2016 11:13 PM (CBcnm)

Bryce Canyon is awesome as well -- and, yes, it's real.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 01, 2016 11:34 PM (EzgxV)

153 #144: Well... it might be worth listening to Kanye from time to time. He did get Taylor Swift to show us her tits, after all.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at August 01, 2016 11:35 PM (0OG8D)

154 Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2016 11:33 PM (T+std)

Thanks Anna, I had forgotten that little detail of French's "true conservative" credentials!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 01, 2016 11:36 PM (wYnyS)

155 Another Excellent ONT Maet....got your raise yet? If not, keep askin, its well deserved.

Evenin Horde oh Plenty....hope all's well.

Who to follow on Twitter? That's my question....

I broke down an signed up to support a local cause....

Figured, while I'm there why not be entertained an informed....

There has to be someone worthwhile...

The HordeSource has to have recommendations...
Everything from comedy, guns, politics, comic books, etc..

Who do y'all follow that has the platform mastered an can consistently deliver excellent content?

(H/T Unc Palp)

Posted by: Hillbillyking at August 01, 2016 11:36 PM (a+Olp)

156 The below hypothetical was posted at one of the poker blogs I read, "The Poker Barrister." (The blog's author is a poker player *and* an attorney.)

* * * * *

HYPOTHETICAL

- Company owns a two-room warehouse from which it runs its operations.

- Warehouse has a single entrance in the front, which leads directly into a lone hallway which dissects the building.

- On the left side of the hallway is the door to Room 1; on the right side, the door to Room 2.

- Company employs 8 workers who at any given time are divided equally between the two rooms. Employees in one room are generally unaware of happenings in the other room.

- On January 1st, the only people in the building are the 8 workers.

- Later that day, a man enters the building through the front door. He never leaves. He's found strangled in the hallway at 5:00.

- All eight workers are interviewed by police; none claim ever to have seen the man.

- Prosecutor rules death a homicide; brings murder charges against all 8 workers. No other charges are filed. Each employee is tried separately.

- Man's family brings civil suit against the company.

1. What result would you anticipate from the criminal trials?

2. What result would you expect from the civil trial?

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 01, 2016 11:36 PM (q7T0y)

157 I can't believe Putin prefers Trump. Putin could shake Hillary like a dog with a kitten in its jaws.
-
Reset button. They're afraid of the reset button.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at August 01, 2016 11:28 PM (Nwg0u)

He's stable and like Putin puts his country first, therefore dependable and predictable. Putin doesn't want America he wants Asia Minor and Europe. He'll settle for Asia Minor. Then he and Trump can play with Europe like two cats with a rat.

Posted by: FEMA at August 01, 2016 11:36 PM (DKDOJ)

158 The Real Reason Your Vote Matters- a limerick

I'm voting based upon the nicest bottom
Alluring campaign pix? You know we've got 'em.
Now Melania Trump
Has a very shapely rump
But instead we'll have eight years of Hilly Rodham

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 01, 2016 11:36 PM (mvenn)

159 130 If you get a chance to go to Zion, do it. I did the Virgin River Narrows hike. Amazing scenery with spring water flowing out of the rock walls.
Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at August 01, 2016 11:28 PM (N4ERe)

I liked Zion too. Flowing waters free of radiation. Hordes of White Legs trying trying to kill you to gain Caesar's favor. Joshua Graham, a former Legate of Caesar's Legion, talking to you about the need of killing the White Leg's leader, Salt-Upon-Wounds, so that the relatively peaceful tribes of The Sorrows and the Dead Horses can live in Zion...

Oh, that's what's going to happen in the Fallout: New Vegas alternative universe.

Posted by: Thrawn at August 01, 2016 11:36 PM (cC/ZB)

160 *my irony meter is in the trash as it is useless in TFG's America*
Posted by: GnuBreed
---------------

Yeah, the needle on mine banged on the max pin so often and so hard that it finally bent, then broke.

Posted by: Ahmed the clock designer at August 01, 2016 11:36 PM (J3phO)

161 >>>I can't believe Putin prefers Trump. Putin could shake Hillary like a dog with a kitten in its jaws.

-

Reset button. They're afraid of the reset button.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at August 01, 2016 11:28 PM (Nwg0u)<<<

Hill and Bill's speeches got more pricey the more influence they had, maybe he's worried she's gonna be much more expensive to buy off when she's POTUS?

I don't necessarily think Vlad blackmailing her would work either. She'll just spin any attempt as lies, the MFM will cover her, and she's just the type to get belligerent militarily to save her own rep against a Russian insult.

Putin has to just burnish Donald's ego and he'll be easier to work with. Not as flexible as SCOAMF who's every tin pot strong man's bitch, but easier than Cankles.

Posted by: not a Russian expert, and didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night at August 01, 2016 11:37 PM (H9MG5)

162 Enjoy the night, an all too early morning awaits!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 01, 2016 11:37 PM (wYnyS)

163 >>>"It's just spoken with MORE ENERGY. In other words, the Trump strategy is the Obama strategy is the Clinton strategy"

Yeah, Trump is totally parroting the same strategy.

Look he's really obnoxious, but his populist isolationism is somewhat different than Obama and Clinton. Just a wee bit.

Posted by: Max Power at August 01, 2016 11:37 PM (QCc6B)

164 I'm married I'm in Cancun I'm drunk and I'm married. In Cancun.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at August 01, 2016 11:38 PM (1fvpz)

165 144: Well... it might be worth listening to Kanye from time to time. He did get Taylor Swift to show us her tits, after all.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler
****

What t*ts?

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at August 01, 2016 11:38 PM (hVdx9)

166 Slainte! Grammie Winger!

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2016 11:38 PM (T+std)

167 Oh be quiet, your an Orca. What do you care about mammalian anatomy?

Sashimi nyah?

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2016 11:39 PM (T+std)

168 I've come to the conclusion that almost every politician at the national level hate the people they are supposed to represent.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 01, 2016 11:39 PM (BS8yt)

169 I'm married I'm in Cancun I'm drunk and I'm married. In Cancun.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at August 01, 2016 11:38 PM (1fvpz)

*****

Congrats Grammie! Enjoy Cancun!

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 01, 2016 11:39 PM (YLidQ)

170 I'm married I'm in Cancun I'm drunk and I'm married. In Cancun.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at August 01, 2016 11:38 PM (1fvpz)
Way to go GW!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 01, 2016 11:40 PM (wYnyS)

171 #165: Spoken like a man who can't appreciate a nice perky pair of B-cups.

I'm not putting you down for this or anything; we all have our own preferences, after all.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at August 01, 2016 11:40 PM (0OG8D)

172 I'm married I'm in Cancun I'm drunk and I'm married. In Cancun.
Posted by: grammie winger
----------------

Don't drink the water!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 01, 2016 11:40 PM (OLNwX)

173 I'm married I'm in Cancun I'm drunk and I'm married. In Cancun.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at August 01, 2016 11:38 PM (1fvpz)

Congratulations, Grammie!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2016 11:41 PM (f3Uae)

174 Hell, I was reading some article claiming the real source for all the "hacks" is not the Rooskies, but the NSA, someone therein being pissed at Shrillary.

That would tickle me pink if it were true.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 01, 2016 11:41 PM (DW+jj)

175 132 I have no interest in any hagiography of Trump.
But bashing him at this point is just support for Hillary fucking Clinton.
To which I say, go fuck yourself.
Posted by: eleven at August 01, 2016 11:29 PM (qUNWi)

No one must speak ill of the Dear Nominee. He is perfect in every way and ever wise in his actions. To suggest otherwise is a word-crime and reveals you to be a traitorous Hillary supporter.

Posted by: Maetenloch at August 01, 2016 11:41 PM (pAlYe)

176 Congratulations Grammie!

Posted by: Thrawn at August 01, 2016 11:42 PM (cC/ZB)

177 I'm married I'm in Cancun I'm drunk and I'm married. In Cancun.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at August 01, 2016 11:38 PM (1fvpz)

Mucho Congratulones

Posted by: FEMA at August 01, 2016 11:42 PM (DKDOJ)

178 164
I'm married I'm in Cancun I'm drunk and I'm married. In Cancun.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at August 01, 2016 11:38 PM (1fvpz)

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!

Hope you and Mr. Winger are drunk, married, in Cancun, and having fun.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 01, 2016 11:42 PM (EzgxV)

179 - Man's family brings civil suit against the company.

1. What result would you anticipate from the criminal trials?

2. What result would you expect from the civil trial?

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 01, 2016 11:36 PM (q7T0y)

All the suits get thrown out of court, because January 1 is new year's day, and nobody works.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2016 11:42 PM (f3Uae)

180 That would tickle me pink ...
Posted by: publius
-----------

Ah... for a moment I thought that was about grammie.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 01, 2016 11:43 PM (OLNwX)

181 AOP, LOL.

That seemed odd to me as well.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 01, 2016 11:43 PM (q7T0y)

182 Sounds like Kanye West! "I have ideas that can make the human race's existence better!"
Posted by: RKae

Or Terrence Howard trying to invent a new system of math.

Posted by: josephistan at August 01, 2016 11:43 PM (7qAYi)

183 No must speak ill of the Dear Nominee. He is perfect in every way and ever wise in his actions. To suggest otherwise is a word-crime and reveals you to be a traitorous Hillary supporter.
Posted by: Maetenloch at August 01, 2016 11:41 PM (pAlYe)

****

Damn, Maet. I am NOT going to clean up all that straw.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 01, 2016 11:43 PM (YLidQ)

184
175
132 I have no interest in any hagiography of Trump.
But bashing him at this point is just support for Hillary fucking Clinton.
To which I say, go fuck yourself.
Posted by: eleven at August 01, 2016 11:29 PM (qUNWi)

No
must speak ill of the Dear Nominee. He is perfect in every way and ever
wise in his actions. To suggest otherwise is a word-crime and reveals
you to be a traitorous Hillary supporter.

Posted by: Maetenloch at August 01, 2016 11:41 PM (pAlYe)

Sorry it took so long to get my act together.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 01, 2016 11:44 PM (EzgxV)

185 <_<

Posted by: reason - not a fan of Gran Torino at August 01, 2016 11:44 PM (nKoz8)

186
I can't believe Putin prefers Trump. Putin could shake Hillary like a dog with a kitten in its jaws.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 01, 2016 11:25 PM (5o5ek)

The greatest fear, even for a power-hungry megalomaniac like Putin, is a opposition leader who is feckless, without strong core belief and self-interested nationalism and who cannot be counted on to carry their weight in the balance of powers and world affairs.

Even a Mao needs to calculate his gamble to cross the Yalu, based on what he knows and can surmise about his opposite across the pond.

Lacking that confidence in how the other guy plays the game, the odds cannot be calculated, consequences (if any) can't be factored, and in short, the whole thing becomes Calvinball with nukes.

Putin would love to get another GWB in there, just to have a clue as to where the un-pushable limits might lie. I think Putin would even risk another Reagan, for the same reasons.

But with an 0zero, or a Hitlery? They can't even be depended on to act in the best interests of their own country, and you can be certain that if they thought that a thoroughly unnecessary war was the only route to their political survival, they'd, be deploying the 101st before you could shout "Airborne!"

Wag the dog, and the dog wags the Mk 82 backatcha like a chew toy.

Solidity, stability and even a bit of diplomatic predictability is a good thing in times like these.

We only want unpredictability as a more or less military tactic, by comparison.

I'm laying this out only in the broadest possible terms. Yes, I know there'll be countless exceptions which prove the rule. Blah, blah blah.

Point is, the world's volatility and instability lessens when strong leaders are at their respective helms. Not "strongmen". Strong. Leaders. There is a difference.

Maggie, Pope John Paul, R. Magnus, those were strong leaders. And the world, seeing this, settled down for a while and a while after.

Until it didn't again, and well, here we are, worrying about shit all over again, just because of another damned feckless, USA hating bastard in the big chair.

Two terms of that were four years too many. A third term would be past the event horizon, and not recoverable, I think.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 01, 2016 11:44 PM (v5iqM)

187 1. What result would you anticipate from the criminal trials?

2. What result would you expect from the civil trial?
----------------

Both cases, much $ for the attorneys involved. The answer is obvious.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 01, 2016 11:44 PM (OLNwX)

188 Mike, that's my guess. 8 not guilty verdicts and big cash for the civil suit.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 01, 2016 11:45 PM (q7T0y)

189 Mrs. E and myself are taking last 2 weeks of October visiting 4 Corners area. A side trip to Zion is in the mix. We have not had a vacation together in 5 years.

Posted by: Eromero at August 01, 2016 11:45 PM (zLDYs)

190 The way I see it, Trump wants to Make America Great Again, and Putin wants to Make Russia Great Again. They may not see eye-to-eye on everything, but they probably understand each other.

And the U.S. and Russia have a common enemy in Islam, so there's common ground for cooperation.

Posted by: rickl at August 01, 2016 11:45 PM (sdi6R)

191 Congrats Grammy.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at August 01, 2016 11:46 PM (nw6G5)

192 No must speak ill of the Dear Nominee. He is perfect in every way and ever wise in his actions. To suggest otherwise is a word-crime and reveals you to be a traitorous Hillary supporter.
Posted by: Maetenloch at August 01, 2016 11:41 PM (pAlYe)

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Pretty much. We are in election season. The only purpose to knock Trump now is to improve FAB's chances of winning.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 01, 2016 11:46 PM (BS8yt)

193 Putin can piss in my hair and I'll call it sweet lemonade!!

Posted by: D.J.T. at August 01, 2016 11:46 PM (q7T0y)

194 I can't believe Putin prefers Trump. Putin could shake Hillary like a dog with a kitten in its jaws.

--------------

Hill has proven she is like a brain-damaged chimp in a fine china store running amok smashing everything.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 01, 2016 11:48 PM (P/kVC)

195 Geeze. Ad on now for the guy whose 'problem' is looking good with his shirttail out.

Really? That's your 'problem'?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 01, 2016 11:48 PM (OLNwX)

196 188
Mike, that's my guess. 8 not guilty verdicts and big cash for the civil suit.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 01, 2016 11:45 PM (q7T0y)

Just to start with: "beyond a reasonable doubt" on the criminal charges guts the case against the peeps. But if there's only one way into the building and it's under control of the company, the company merely needs to be negligent in allowing a strangler to enter.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 01, 2016 11:48 PM (EzgxV)

197 Fema all night sock, Oh no. Off stinking sock.

Posted by: gNewt......don't like Ryan.....better call Paul....Nehlen, that is...._ at August 01, 2016 11:48 PM (DKDOJ)

198 I'm torn on the innersex athlete issue. If the person has female chromosomes and isn't doping or taking anything to enhance the testosterone, that person is a woman and should be able to compete.

But high testosterone levels undoubtedly have a huge effect on performance, as will be shown in the Olympics. Is that genetic anomaly enough to force them to lower it?

Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 01, 2016 11:48 PM (CmpB+)

199 Maggie, Pope John Paul, R. Magnus, those were strong leaders. And the world, seeing this, settled down for a while and a while after.

Until it didn't again, and well, here we are, worrying about shit all over again, just because of another damned feckless, USA hating bastard in the big chair.

Two terms of that were four years too many. A third term would be past the event horizon, and not recoverable, I think.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 01, 2016 11:44 PM (v5iqM)

Well stated, Jim. A weak, feckless leader like Hillz or Obongo might just tragically over-react to a trivial provocation, while rolling over and playing dead in the face of a serious one.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2016 11:48 PM (f3Uae)

200 With all due respect to Bill Kristol's fantasy Trump slayer, I am ok with both candidates taking the softer rhetoric against ISIS. America as a whole is not interested in "Yeah let's send 100,000+ of our best to defend people that want us dead also." We are not in the "make the world safe for democracy" mood.

Now the real question is which candidate is more likely to listen to the generals and military advisors and implement those strategies? I don't think its the one that refused to increase security when asked and left her employees to die.

Posted by: buzzion at August 01, 2016 11:48 PM (bMG0w)

201 I'm married I'm in Cancun I'm drunk and I'm married. In Cancun.

Holy shit.

That's crazy. Have fun darlin.

Posted by: eleven at August 01, 2016 11:49 PM (qUNWi)

202 164 I'm married I'm in Cancun I'm drunk and I'm married. In Cancun.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at August 01, 2016 11:38 PM (1fvpz)

Congratulations to you both! Here's to love!

Posted by: OldDominionMom at August 01, 2016 11:49 PM (GzDYP)

203 cthulhu, yup.

The laws today seem to be set up that business owners are liable for anything that happens on their property, no matter what.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 01, 2016 11:50 PM (q7T0y)

204 I think Hills is vastly more predictable. She will side with whoever is stuffing the most money into her "foundation." Never a moral objection, never a line too hard to cross.

She leaps for the dollar on a string every time.

The only risk to calculate is, will someone else pay more than you?

Posted by: reason - not a fan of Gran Torino at August 01, 2016 11:50 PM (nKoz8)

205 188
Mike, that's my guess. 8 not guilty verdicts and big cash for the civil suit.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 01, 2016 11:45 PM (q7T0y)

Not guilty on all the criminal cases.At worst, 1/8 of total damages for each person in the civil cases, if it's not a 'not guilty' verdict.

Posted by: Ian Galt at August 01, 2016 11:50 PM (8iiMU)

206 All the suits get thrown out of court, because January 1 is new year's day, and nobody works.

All is quiet, on New Year's Day.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 01, 2016 11:50 PM (T/cxb)

207 I'll have a glazed ISIS, thank you.

Posted by: gNewt......don't like Ryan.....better call Paul....Nehlen, that is...._ at August 01, 2016 11:50 PM (DKDOJ)

208 Was creeping myself out yesterday, reading on Wikipedia their page "never-solved murder cases."

I had to laugh though: they included the Nicole Brown Simpson/Ron Goldman case in their list. Uh, that WAS solved, idiots. OJ just beat the rap.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 01, 2016 11:52 PM (q7T0y)

209 Living in NYC I'm becoming less and less surprised as I hear the many liberals I know say that Mayor Bill is horrible and needs to go. What does surprise me still is how these morons (not the good kind) state their gripes and basically point out how they want a conservative as mayor, though withou saying as much.

Posted by: Rbastid at August 01, 2016 11:52 PM (W1tES)

210 There are a whole host of intersex conditions, all sorts of ways in which in the normal human sex differentiation process goes awry, producing all sorts of different cases. The intersex rate is about 1 in 2000 live births, or 0.5%. Something goes wrong. But what goes wrong is a broad spectrum.

To try one size fits all for intersex would be impossible.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 01, 2016 11:52 PM (DW+jj)

211 Keanu in My Own Private Idaho.

Posted by: Cactus of Libetty at August 01, 2016 11:52 PM (fvkPE)

212 I'll have a glazed ISIS, thank you.

Posted by: gNewt......don't like Ryan.....better call Paul....Nehlen, that is...._ at August 01, 2016 11:50 PM (DKDOJ)

And the trace of strontium 90 in my coffee cream is totes worth it, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2016 11:52 PM (f3Uae)

213 Error, that's 0.05% intersex rate, not 0.5%.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 01, 2016 11:53 PM (DW+jj)

214 203
cthulhu, yup.

The laws today seem to be set up that business owners are liable for anything that happens on their property, no matter what.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 01, 2016 11:50 PM (q7T0y)

It's not just business owners. There was a case where a would-be burglar was walking around on a roof and fell through a skylight (sorry, Jim).

The case held that the burglar shouldn't be held to the standard of professional roofers and could successfully sue the intended target for negligence for endangering would-be burglars.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 01, 2016 11:53 PM (EzgxV)

215 John Candy in Who's Harry Crumb.

Posted by: Cactus of Libetty at August 01, 2016 11:53 PM (fvkPE)

216 #204: "Drag a $100 bill through a trailer park, and you never know what you'll get", as Hillary's buddy Jimmy Carville has said. "You might even get Hillary," he didn't say; that would require dragging a rather bigger bill.

But, yeah, she'll chase a big enough string of dollar bills wherever you drag it.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at August 01, 2016 11:54 PM (0OG8D)

217 qdpsteve...summer is here...what happened to your cross country drive you talked about doing?

Posted by: concrete girl at August 01, 2016 11:54 PM (UMRYN)

218 Congrats, Grammie Winger!

Were the services officiated by a skydiving Elvis impersonator? 'Cause nothing says romantic wedding like a skydiving Elvis impersonator!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 01, 2016 11:55 PM (v5iqM)

219 You know the whole Russian involvement is just a Dem talking point made up to deflect rigged Dem primaries which almost certainly violated some FEC laws.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 01, 2016 11:55 PM (BS8yt)

220 It's not just business owners. There was a case where a would-be burglar was walking around on a roof and fell through a skylight (sorry, Jim).

The case held that the burglar shouldn't be held to the standard of professional roofers and could successfully sue the intended target for negligence for endangering would-be burglars.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 01, 2016 11:53 PM (EzgxV)

Too bad he fell right onto that barrel full of Olympic javelins awaiting shipment. Good thing dead men can't sue.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2016 11:55 PM (f3Uae)

221 As for why Putin might prefer Trump over Hillary, well there is the US involvement with Ukraine. And then there is also the "red line" against his buddy Assad. So I can see him holding a grudge against Hillary. And I think he has some respect for a leader that is actually looking out for the interests of their country.

Its why I think he was able to get along with George W. Bush, and why it really seems like he has no respect at all for Obama. With Bush it was "I want was best for my country, you want what's best for yours, let's reach an agreement where we both come out ahead." With Obama it is "You're a little bitch that will roll over for anything and don't give a shit about your country so fuck you and I'll take whatever I want."

Posted by: buzzion at August 01, 2016 11:56 PM (bMG0w)

222 Mr T in Rocky III

Posted by: Cactus of Libetty at August 01, 2016 11:56 PM (fvkPE)

223
Mayor Bill is horrible and needs to go. What does surprise me still is how these morons (not the good kind) state their gripes and basically point out how they want a conservative as mayor, though without saying as much.

Is there one (conservative) there?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 01, 2016 11:57 PM (IqV8l)

224 210
There are a whole host of intersex conditions, all sorts of ways in
which in the normal human sex differentiation process goes awry,
producing all sorts of different cases. The intersex rate is about 1 in
2000 live births, or 0.5%. Something goes wrong. But what goes wrong is a
broad spectrum.

To try one size fits all for intersex would be impossible.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 01, 2016 11:52 PM (DW+jj)

Which means that 1/2 of 0.5% of the population (the intersex "women who are mostly men" group -- the "men who are mostly women" group are SOL) can dominate and own women's sports due to their condition at birth.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 01, 2016 11:57 PM (EzgxV)

225 Congratulations Grammie!

And goodnight, Horde.

Posted by: josephistan at August 01, 2016 11:57 PM (7qAYi)

226
Is there one (conservative) there?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.
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Not since WFB passed away.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 01, 2016 11:58 PM (OLNwX)

227 Sasha Grey in The Girl Friend Experience.

Posted by: Cactus of Libetty at August 01, 2016 11:58 PM (fvkPE)

228 Which means that 1/2 of 0.5% of the population (the intersex "women who are mostly men" group -- the "men who are mostly women" group are SOL) can dominate and own women's sports due to their condition at birth.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 01, 2016 11:57 PM (EzgxV)

Simple solution: run two classes at Olympics, stock and modified.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2016 11:59 PM (f3Uae)

229 "The head of the VFW chastised Trump today over the Kahn krap. "

That's nice.

Has Hillary gone back in time and not used unsecure email for sensitive material? Perhaps she's sworn off selling access and policy to foreigners?

Posted by: Rob Crawford at August 01, 2016 11:59 PM (fVubI)

230
220
It's not just business owners. There was a case where a would-be burglar
was walking around on a roof and fell through a skylight (sorry, Jim).

The case held that the burglar shouldn't be held to the standard of
professional roofers and could successfully sue the intended target for
negligence for endangering would-be burglars.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 01, 2016 11:53 PM (EzgxV)

Too bad he fell right onto that barrel full of Olympic javelins awaiting shipment. Good thing dead men can't sue.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2016 11:55 PM (f3Uae)

I do have to wonder why, after finding some busted-up asshole lying under your broken skylight, the property owner calls the police. Wouldn't you rather say, "and then, for some reason, he decided to go spelunking in my septic tank -- we didn't know anything until the septic company found his femur five years later."

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 12:01 AM (EzgxV)

231 Concrete girl, hi.

The trip has been postponed due to lack of funds, but it could still happen. Waiting and seeing. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 12:01 AM (q7T0y)

232 Christy Brinkley and Randy Quaid in Vacation.

Posted by: Cactus of Libetty at August 02, 2016 12:01 AM (fvkPE)

233 @156...

QD.... did this take place in Baltimore?

Cause it's always about location, location, location.

The 21st Century has a new set of rules.

Posted by: Hillbillyking at August 02, 2016 12:01 AM (a+Olp)

234 >>>Posted by: Cactus of Libetty at August 01, 2016 11:58 PM (fvkPE)<<<

I prefer Liwilma

Posted by: Lifred Liflintstone at August 02, 2016 12:01 AM (H9MG5)

235 Simple solution: run two classes at Olympics, stock and modified.
-------------

I would use Stock and 'Altered'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 02, 2016 12:01 AM (OLNwX)

236 The East German judge scored my fall an 8.7, but only gave the burglar a 5.9.

I won points for difficulty and style.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 02, 2016 12:02 AM (v5iqM)

237 Just have an "other" category. The woman category is for real women, XX who developed normally, which happens most of the time.

"Other" is for those who aren't real men or women, but fall in the intersex. Now, give them the option of competing in the Men's category, their choice, if they meet some basic conditions.

They can compete in "Other", or, if they're man enough, they can try to compete with the real men.

But nobody but real women get to compete in the women's group.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 12:02 AM (DW+jj)

238 Falcor in The Never Ending Story.

Posted by: Cactus of Libetty at August 02, 2016 12:02 AM (fvkPE)

239 Hilbillyking, not sure where it happened.

But the blogmaster in question is an attorney who practices in DC, I believe.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 12:03 AM (q7T0y)

240
Simple solution: run two classes at Olympics, stock and modified.
-------------
I would use Stock and 'Altered'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

Do they have a demolition derby?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 02, 2016 12:03 AM (IqV8l)

241 I do have to wonder why, after finding some busted-up asshole lying under your broken skylight, the property owner calls the police. Wouldn't you rather say, "and then, for some reason, he decided to go spelunking in my septic tank -- we didn't know anything until the septic company found his femur five years later."
Posted by: cthulhu
--------------

A Trunk Monkey could deal with this 'problem'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 02, 2016 12:03 AM (OLNwX)

242 "And TFG adds returning veterans to the watchlist for 'potential terrorists', but Trump is the bad guy here."

Yeah, that list is... rather broad. Actually calling for violence -- like Black Lives Matter does -- isn't one of the criteria, but reporting things the main stream media doesn't *IS*.

Basically, if you don't live and think the way the Ivy Leaguers do, you're a dangerous insurrectionist.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at August 02, 2016 12:04 AM (fVubI)

243 Incidentally, I think Hillary deliberately chose to put her State Department business on an unsecured server precisely because of all the foreign money she's raked in from the Clinton Foundation.

"Well, look, I can't just give you this information, no matter how much money you give me. But! Give me enough money, and I can make sure that info is in a place where you can easily obtain it without my explicit (and illegal) approval".

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at August 02, 2016 12:04 AM (0OG8D)

244 Which means that 1/2 of 0.5% of the population (the intersex "women who are mostly men" group -- the "men who are mostly women" group are SOL) can dominate and own women's sports due to their condition at birth.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 01, 2016 11:57 PM (EzgxV)

Pretty much everyone at that high level of competition is some kind of freak of nature. Michael Phelps is double jointed, which gives him an advantage in the water. Should he have to inject something to make his tendons contract so he isn't double jointed any more?

Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 02, 2016 12:05 AM (CmpB+)

245 Do they have a demolition derby?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 02, 2016 12:03 AM (IqV8l)

The 800-meter Figure Eight race.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 12:05 AM (f3Uae)

246 Russell Crowe in Romper Stomper.

Posted by: Cactus of Libetty at August 02, 2016 12:05 AM (fvkPE)

247 qdpsteve...store up some nuts for winter and continue planning.

remember...i did a trip last summer and it changed my life for the better.

good luck.

Posted by: concrete girl at August 02, 2016 12:05 AM (UMRYN)

248 Do they have a demolition derby?///

The Outlaw division should be interesting.

Posted by: Willy J. at August 02, 2016 12:05 AM (BZey7)

249 228
Which means that 1/2 of 0.5% of the population (the intersex "women who
are mostly men" group -- the "men who are mostly women" group are SOL)
can dominate and own women's sports due to their condition at birth.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 01, 2016 11:57 PM (EzgxV)

Simple solution: run two classes at Olympics, stock and modified.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2016 11:59 PM (f3Uae)

The problem is the genetic lottery on "stock". When you modify 0.05% [note, latest numbers] x 1/2 [mostly male females] x six billion, you still end up with a bunch of peeps. And if any of 'em can compete for your country, they'll stomp the competition.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 12:05 AM (EzgxV)

250 concrete girl, thanks!!

I am definitely going to do the trip. It's just a matter of time.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 12:06 AM (q7T0y)

251 Lou Diamond Phillips in The First Power.

Posted by: Cactus of Libetty at August 02, 2016 12:06 AM (fvkPE)

252 >>>Simple solution: run two classes at Olympics, stock and modified. -------------

I would use Stock and 'Altered'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

Do they have a demolition derby?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 02, 2016 12:03 AM (IqV8l)<<<

Figure 8 races! Maybe with bikes in the summer, speed skating in the winter?

Posted by: they sooooo need this at August 02, 2016 12:06 AM (H9MG5)

253 I have no sympathy for the trannies, the idiots who are born normal and try to change. But I do have sympathy for the intersex. It doesn't extend as to allow them to change the definitions or anything, but they can't help it.

Something went awry with mother nature, there. They couldn't help it. But for those who can help it, I don't have the sympathy.

I wouldn't let trannies compete at all, but that wouldn't fly so, we'd put them all in "other".

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 12:07 AM (DW+jj)

254 Do they have a demolition derby?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 02, 2016 12:03 AM (IqV8l)

The 800-meter Figure Eight race.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Actually, that might revive my interest in the Olympics. I would favor allowing them to use pellet pistols also. That would be a damned interesting event.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 02, 2016 12:07 AM (OLNwX)

255 237 Just have an "other" category. The woman category is for real women, XX who developed normally, which happens most of the time.

"Other" is for those who aren't real men or women, but fall in the intersex. Now, give them the option of competing in the Men's category, their choice, if they meet some basic conditions.

They can compete in "Other", or, if they're man enough, they can try to compete with the real men.

But nobody but real women get to compete in the women's group.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 12:02 AM (DW+jj)

Just wondering what makes this person not a real woman? I have PCOS, which means I produce more testosterone and less estrogen and progesterone than a healthy woman does. Am I not a real woman?

Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 02, 2016 12:07 AM (CmpB+)

256 236
The East German judge scored my fall an 8.7, but only gave the burglar a 5.9.

I won points for difficulty and style.

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 02, 2016 12:02 AM (v5iqM)

You could have collected big-time if you could have portrayed yourself as an idiotic felonious twit.....but, here, you had to be a competent roofer....

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 12:07 AM (EzgxV)

257 Richard Pryor in Superman III

Posted by: Cactus of Libetty at August 02, 2016 12:08 AM (fvkPE)

258 Hot Heir has finally found a bigger Eeyore than Allahpundit. Duane Patterson is already thinking Trump is throwing in the towel.

Posted by: reason - not a fan of Gran Torino at August 02, 2016 12:09 AM (nKoz8)

259 You could have collected big-time if you could have portrayed yourself as an idiotic felonious twit.....but, here, you had to be a competent roofer....

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 12:07 AM (EzgxV)

Yeah, but then I'd have to be a Democrat running for office, and well, there's some things that even a old roofer won't do.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 02, 2016 12:10 AM (v5iqM)

260 Here's a sad spooky story. Was big in the news a few months ago, but by now most people have forgotten about it. I don't think it has a happy ending, unfortunately.

http://fox40.com/2016/06/30/family-still-hoping-pearl-pinson-will-return-home/

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 12:10 AM (q7T0y)

261 Nic Cage in Valley Girls.

Posted by: Cactus of Libetty at August 02, 2016 12:11 AM (fvkPE)

262 I'm okay with student loan forgiveness... As long as it treated as ordinary income on all tax forms at a tax rate of 10 percent over a twelve year period.

Um, yeah, that'll teach the freebie grabbing little b@stards.

Posted by: socalcon at August 02, 2016 12:11 AM (UXScn)

263 SCIENCE! ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/760151097432502273

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/760151217129549824

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/760151355126415360

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/760151517328441344

Posted by: kbdabear at August 02, 2016 12:12 AM (GrXXa)

264 Making a precise definition of "real woman" would involve making some choices. It will piss some people off, but something would have to be done.

XX chromosomes, and normal female reproductive orgrans, internal and external for one.

Now, take complete androgen insensitivity syndrome. That's an XY who makes a female externally.

They would likely be fine to compete with real women, but our definition might have to exclude them.

You're going to have make tradeoffs and yes, piss people off.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 12:12 AM (DW+jj)

265 237
Just have an "other" category. The woman category is for real women, XX who developed normally, which happens most of the time.

"Other"
is for those who aren't real men or women, but fall in the intersex.
Now, give them the option of competing in the Men's category, their
choice, if they meet some basic conditions.

They can compete in "Other", or, if they're man enough, they can try to compete with the real men.

But nobody but real women get to compete in the women's group.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 12:02 AM (DW+jj)

There's a difference between "intersex" that were born that way and those who were modified. At the tail end of the normal bell curve, there are genetic women (XX chromosome) who produce more testosterone than pajama boys with an XY genome. If they train to a reasonable extent, they will absolutely dominate XX sports. That's what we're talking about here.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 12:12 AM (EzgxV)

266 Rumper stumper.

Posted by: gNewt......don't like Ryan.....better call Paul....Nehlen, that is...._ at August 02, 2016 12:12 AM (DKDOJ)

267 Hillary's use of her office as Secretary of State to enrich herself at the expense of American national security is in no way different from how husband Bill ran the Clinton administration.

Remember the Cox Report, detailing the loss of ALL American nuclear secrets to Communist China? Remember the curious sales of dual use (civilian/military) technology to Communist China, in violation of State Department procedure, and against the advice of everyone from the Pentagon to our intelligence agencies? Remember Clinton giving the Communist Chinese access to our most top-secret satellites and their encryption boards? Remember the "failed" Chinese launch of a classified American satellite, where those same encryption boards were never recovered?

Remember how Bill and Hillary Clinton's biggest donors just happened to all be affiliated with the People's Liberation Army of Communist China?

Remember the 123 Chinese "donors" who fled the country rather than face questioning before Congress?

I remember.

With Hillary, it's just Treason, Continued....

Why the hell isn't Trump hammering the crap out of her with this?

Posted by: Sam Adams at August 02, 2016 12:13 AM (DbadI)

268 More SCIENCE! ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/760151650703138816

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/760151778868461568

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/760151928810635266

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/760152068262887424

Posted by: kbdabear at August 02, 2016 12:13 AM (GrXXa)

269 Loral Corp I believe it was.

Posted by: gNewt......don't like Ryan.....better call Paul....Nehlen, that is...._ at August 02, 2016 12:13 AM (DKDOJ)

270 244
Which means that 1/2 of 0.5% of the population (the intersex "women who
are mostly men" group -- the "men who are mostly women" group are SOL)
can dominate and own women's sports due to their condition at birth.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 01, 2016 11:57 PM (EzgxV)

Pretty much everyone at that high level of competition is some kind
of freak of nature. Michael Phelps is double jointed, which gives him
an advantage in the water. Should he have to inject something to make
his tendons contract so he isn't double jointed any more?

Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 02, 2016 12:05 AM (CmpB+)

Yup. That's on point.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 12:13 AM (EzgxV)

271 The Cox Report....

http://www.house.gov/coxreport/cont/gncont.html

Posted by: Sam Adams at August 02, 2016 12:14 AM (DbadI)

272 Ron Brown, after all that work, too.

Posted by: gNewt......don't like Ryan.....better call Paul....Nehlen, that is...._ at August 02, 2016 12:14 AM (DKDOJ)

273
I'm married I'm in Cancun I'm drunk and I'm married. In Cancun.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at August 01, 2016 11:38 PM (1fvpz)

good for you Grammie Winger!

Pro-tip, stay away from the mezcal unless you like table dancing and regrets.

And have a Cuba Libre or three on me ( . . . that I will in no way be paying for . . .) and come back home eventually because we love you.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 02, 2016 12:15 AM (ry34m)

274 Trump plan for the debates scheduled during nfl games:
Boycott.
Tape questions and Hilary's answers.
Edit in trumps taped response.
Buy 60 minute air time on the following night.
Replay.

Posted by: socalcon at August 02, 2016 12:15 AM (UXScn)

275 267
Posted by: Sam Adams at August 02, 2016 12:13 AM (DbadI)

I remember, too.

And then the Republicans in Congress impeached him for lying about a sex scandal.

Posted by: rickl at August 02, 2016 12:16 AM (sdi6R)

276 255
237 Just have an "other" category. The woman category is for real women,
XX who developed normally, which happens most of the time.

"Other" is for those who aren't real men or women, but fall in the
intersex. Now, give them the option of competing in the Men's category,
their choice, if they meet some basic conditions.

They can compete in "Other", or, if they're man enough, they can try to compete with the real men.

But nobody but real women get to compete in the women's group.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 12:02 AM (DW+jj)

Just wondering what makes this person not a real woman? I have
PCOS, which means I produce more testosterone and less estrogen and
progesterone than a healthy woman does. Am I not a real woman?

Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 02, 2016 12:07 AM (CmpB+)

Beats the hell out of me. If you have XX chromosomes and can be touched (i.e. you're not a bot), I would think that you qualify as both a woman and real -- but, then again, I'm an Elder God that exists between dimensions.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 12:17 AM (EzgxV)

277 If you're on the tails of the Gaussian, either way, but meet the definition for "real woman" (or just woman, you'd have to diplomatically word it, of course), then that's the way the dice roll.

For example, I'm never gonna be anywhere near capable of competing with any male athletes. That's the way it is.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 12:17 AM (DW+jj)

278 Just wondering what makes this person not a real woman? I have PCOS, which means I produce more testosterone and less estrogen and progesterone than a healthy woman does. Am I not a real woman?

Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 02, 2016 12:07 AM (CmpB+)

If your personal physiology is such that you have an unfair advantage in any sport over persons who are within 2 standard deviations of "normal", perhaps you shouldn't be competing in that sport.

Once you start allowing persons who are, by birth, way off on the end of the bell curve to compete and win, then there is both motivation for, and cover for, unscrupulous parties to dope up their athletes.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 12:17 AM (f3Uae)

279 She probably would have vote Hillary! even if Jebby were the nominee because she's a prog. Seriously, if these repube consultants were clandestine democrats trying to undermine the gop, what would they do differently?
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at August 01, 2016 11:30 PM (UPYhp)

Remember McCain's campaign manager in 2008? Resigned after McCain won the nomination and Obama the Dem nomination.

Why? He was an Obama fanboi.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at August 02, 2016 12:18 AM (1JnAL)

280 #262: I'd be okay with the federal government taking on and paying off all the student loan debt still outstanding, provided the bill allowing for it also got the federal government out of the higher-education business altogether.

It'd be costly in the short term, but we'd be better off for it in the long term.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at August 02, 2016 12:19 AM (0OG8D)

281 Making a precise definition of "real woman" would
involve making some choices. It will piss some people off, but something
would have to be done.

XX chromosomes, and normal female reproductive orgrans, internal and external for one.

Now, take complete androgen insensitivity syndrome. That's an XY who makes a female externally.

They would likely be fine to compete with real women, but our definition might have to exclude them.

You're going to have make tradeoffs and yes, piss people off.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 12:12 AM (DW+jj)

Good catch. I'd be going with genome 'cause it's really tough to fake.....but, then, there are chimerae and XXY'ers....

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 12:19 AM (EzgxV)

282 Why the hell isn't Trump hammering the crap out of her with this?
Posted by: Sam Adams at August 02, 2016 12:13 AM (DbadI)

You don't blow your load in the early part of the campaign.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at August 02, 2016 12:20 AM (1JnAL)

283 Congrats Grammie!

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at August 02, 2016 12:21 AM (1JnAL)

284
274
Trump plan for the debates scheduled during nfl games:

Boycott.

Tape questions and Hilary's answers.

Edit in trumps taped response.

Buy 60 minute air time on the following night.

Replay.

Posted by: socalcon at August 02, 2016 12:15 AM (UXScn)

Really? That'd be awesomesauce.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 12:21 AM (EzgxV)

285 Didn't Romney have staffers that went on to work for Obama after he lost in the primaries.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 02, 2016 12:22 AM (bMG0w)

286 "Well, look, I can't just give you this information, no matter how much money you give me. But! Give me enough money, and I can make sure that info is in a place where you can easily obtain it without my explicit (and illegal) approval".
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at August 02, 2016 12:04 AM (0OG8D)

Bingo.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 02, 2016 12:22 AM (VdICR)

287 Looks like genital plumbing won't be the only major plumbing issue in Rio:

Rio 2016: Athletes warned to keep mouths closed when swimming in faeces-infested water

http://tinyurl.com/zhpspke

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 12:22 AM (q7T0y)

288 Poking around an illegal cabin in the woods sounds like an excellent way of getting yourself shot.

Posted by: TB at August 02, 2016 12:22 AM (UXEYz)

289 "I feel fantastic
Hey hey hey
You feel fantastic
Hey hey hey
You are fantastic
Hey hey hey
I feel fantastic
Hey hey hey
You feel fantastic
Hey hey hey
Run run run run run run
Please leave"

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 02, 2016 12:23 AM (AroJD)

290 There is a possibility that Trump has a good, disciplined long game strategy.

Posted by: gNewt......don't like Ryan.....better call Paul....Nehlen, that is...._ at August 02, 2016 12:24 AM (DKDOJ)

291 278
Just wondering what makes this person not a real woman? I have PCOS,
which means I produce more testosterone and less estrogen and
progesterone than a healthy woman does. Am I not a real woman?

Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 02, 2016 12:07 AM (CmpB+)

If your personal physiology is such that you have an unfair
advantage in any sport over persons who are within 2 standard deviations
of "normal", perhaps you shouldn't be competing in that sport.

Once you start allowing persons who are, by birth, way off on the
end of the bell curve to compete and win, then there is both motivation
for, and cover for, unscrupulous parties to dope up their athletes.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 12:17 AM (f3Uae)

Isn't the entire point of the Olympics to seek out those who are more than two standard deviations off normal? And, BTW, mullingthingsover -- have you ever been involved in athletics?

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 12:24 AM (EzgxV)

292 228 >> Simple solution: run two classes at Olympics, stock and modified.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

That's a very good suggestion, AOP.

And that's why they won't do it. Besides, the Olympics is now mostly a joke.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 02, 2016 12:26 AM (gyKtp)

293 Yes, it's got to be more than just genome, but yet has to include it.

Now, take this crazy case. In humans, female is the "default". The Y chromosome has something that, when it all works right, turns off the female and activated the male development.

In this case, the name I forget, something goes wrong and the female doesn't get turned off, but the male gets turned on normally. This individual will develop testicles and a penis (the testicles may not descend properly) and be a man, but yet will have a (small) uterus and fallopian tubes inside.

So, how would classify him? XY, male externally, but has an attempt at female internal parts.

Defining "real man", vs "real women", vs. "uh-oh" gets complicated when you look at all the possibilities.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 12:26 AM (DW+jj)

294 The book, "Outliers" by Malcolm Gladwell is a book length screed explaining why people are successful because of being born with advantages others don't get...perhaps the inspiration for Faucahontas Warren's screed of "you didn't build that".

Posted by: Boots at August 02, 2016 12:28 AM (EBwPV)

295 >>>Looks like genital plumbing won't be the only major plumbing issue in Rio:

Rio 2016: Athletes warned to keep mouths closed when swimming in faeces-infested water
Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 12:22 AM (q7T0y)
<<<

**reposted from the wee morning hours of last night's ONT.**

The IOC doesn't know what to do.

The Rio games are infested with poo.

You might swim and get sick,

Or a candiru in your dick,

And watch it turn into a puddle of goo.

Posted by: ~~Rio-ku~~ Olymp-rick at August 02, 2016 12:28 AM (H9MG5)

296 Congratulations grammie winger

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 12:30 AM (E0VQV)

297 A bit OT:

Had a worrisome day at the vet with my kitty kat.

She is a rescue, and is about nine or ten.

Has had serious health issues in the past, and now I've found out she has a heart murmur and perhaps kidney issues.

I'm trying to brave about it, but not doing a very good job.

/yes, yes, I've replaced humans with my cat, I realize I have issues, and some day, when I get a real job, I promise I'll go for lots and lots of therapy.

Posted by: shibumi who needs new anti rage medication at August 02, 2016 12:30 AM (tvyXw)

298 Rio 2016: Athletes warned to keep mouths closed when swimming in faeces-infested water

Posted by: qdpsteve
------------

Same thing we told the burglar to do. Didn't work.

Posted by: Warehouse with burglar in septic tank at August 02, 2016 12:30 AM (OLNwX)

299 One possibility to throw in there with the definition would be is the person capable of normal reproduction as either male or female. Many if not most intersex will be sterile, but there are some strange exceptions to that.

So "real woman" would include having functional ovaries and capable of acting like a female reproductively. Likewise for a "real man". Testicles producing sperm and capable of acting like a male reproductively.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 12:31 AM (DW+jj)

300 Also, I think the fix is in for Hillary, and unless space aliens come in and save us, we're screwed.

Posted by: shibumi who needs new anti rage medication at August 02, 2016 12:31 AM (tvyXw)

301 Isn't the entire point of the Olympics to seek out those who are more than two standard deviations off normal? And, BTW, mullingthingsover -- have you ever been involved in athletics?

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 12:24 AM (EzgxV)

Well, >2SD in terms of skill and abilities, not necessarily basic physiology. But the Modern Olympics are all shot to Hell anyway. They were predicated upon unpaid amateur athletes doing their sport because they liked to do it. But the Soviets and DDR gamed the system by having soldier-athletes whose "duty" was full time training. Remember how Jim Thorpe lost his Olympic medals because he played two seasons of semi-pro baseball?

Now that purity is all gone, and you have full-on pros participating in many sports. Frankly, I don't give a shit anymore. I might make suggestions to restore it, but it's not going to happen. Corrupt, like society in general.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 12:33 AM (f3Uae)

302 Isn't the entire point of the Olympics to seek out those who are more than two standard deviations off normal? And, BTW, mullingthingsover -- have you ever been involved in athletics?
Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 12:24 AM (EzgxV)

Yes. College basketball and track at a small private college. I'm also really good at math (master's in algebra) and currently am a programmer. I have no doubt that the PCOS had some impact on all those things as testosterone is a powerful force in the body.

Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 02, 2016 12:33 AM (CmpB+)

303 Prayers, Shibumi, for your kitty. And, you.

Hell, we're all pretty much a rescue Horde around here, anyway.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 02, 2016 12:36 AM (v5iqM)

304 Shibumi, I figure cats are best described as emotional symbiotes. Which probably says volumes about me.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 02, 2016 12:36 AM (ry34m)

305 Just wondering what makes this person not a real woman? I have
PCOS, which means I produce more testosterone and less estrogen and
progesterone than a healthy woman does. Am I not a real woman?

Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 02, 2016 12:07 AM (CmpB+)

Beats the hell out of me. If you have XX chromosomes and can be touched (i.e. you're not a bot), I would think that you qualify as both a woman and real -- but, then again, I'm an Elder God that exists between dimensions.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 12:17 AM (EzgxV)

We are a dimorphic species. You have males with an XY chromosome set that leads to male sex organs and other physical and actual physiological differences with females who have an XX chromosome set and female sex organs. Then a male and a female mate, the male fertilizes the female's egg. This is how our, and almost all other mammals work.

There are those with bona fide medical conditions such as androgen insensitivity, or those with non XX or XY chromosome sets (e.g. X0 or XXY), amongst other such conditions. These are a typical.

It doesn't make a person morally better or worse, it's just atypicalness brought on by a real condition.

For people with such conditions, they didn't ask for it, they didn't choose it, and it isn't some "social construct". I'm am happy to have these people fit in in the way most comfortable for them.

In contrast, the modern special little snowflake who declares there are infinite genders and that biological sex is just a "social construct", I don't have any tolerance for.

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 02, 2016 12:37 AM (vBeA5)

306 299 One possibility to throw in there with the definition would be is the person capable of normal reproduction as either male or female. Many if not most intersex will be sterile, but there are some strange exceptions to that.

So "real woman" would include having functional ovaries and capable of acting like a female reproductively. Likewise for a "real man". Testicles producing sperm and capable of acting like a male reproductively.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 02, 2016 12:31 AM (DW+jj)

Once you get into the kind of shape that these women get into with regards to body fat percentages and things, they most likely aren't cycling anyway.

Also: you are getting mighty close to defining me as "not a woman". I have had 2 miscarriages and one live birth, but at least one of the miscarriages was due to low progesterone and the live birth had to have progesterone injection for 36 weeks to carry that long. My ovaries don't work like normal.

Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 02, 2016 12:37 AM (CmpB+)

307 shibumi - It sucks. That seems like a throwaway line, and callous, but I don't know how else to express it.

All of us who have had pets that became family members know the feeling. It's difficult beyond expression.

Right now, my best advice is to give as much comfort as you can to your kitty, and try to not become so worried/preoccupied that you become unable to function normally.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 02, 2016 12:38 AM (OLNwX)

308 Congratulations & felicitations to Grammie Winger!!!

As far as "The world's taking a sharp lurch towards fascism lately, and it's starting to make me very nervous. What is there that any of us can realistically do about it?" goes, Vox Day has said (and I paraphrase):

I will wear the black before I bow to Mecca or recite the shahada, and I am not the only one."

Now I doubt they'll be looking for little (rapidly approaching) old ladies to recruit and black really isn't my color, but he speaks for me in this. God help us all, he speaks for me.

Which is why I am - for the first time since I was a kid in '72 working for McGovern, putting in volunteer hours working for a political campaign. Because I really really REALLY don't want to have to make that choice.

Hysterical idiots aside, Trump isn't Hitler any more than the tea party was violent and racist. But if we keep slamming the lid and cranking the heat on an already simmering pot of water? The next guy very well might be.

Only one question really counts in 2016:

USA or NAU*?

Now back to our regularly scheduled ONT.

*North American Union

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee. TRUMP2016, BECAUSE FCUK THEM, THAT'S WHY at August 02, 2016 12:38 AM (d6d5H)

309 Posted by: The Political Hat at August 02, 2016 12:37 AM (vBeA5)
+++

Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 02, 2016 12:38 AM (CmpB+)

310 Watching clips from LA Confidential.

Movies can have grey shades of being in a certain genre or not. But not Film Noir. It goes from zero to A Dame to Kill For.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 02, 2016 12:38 AM (VdICR)

311 I'm a conservative Republican who didn't vote for Trump in my state's primary. However, I held out the possibility that I would end up voting for Trump in November, especially because of the alternative. This is especially true in regards to the Supreme Court, as well as finally eliminating the Clintons from the government. But after hearing Trump's disastrous appearance on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" on Sunday, I can't vote for the guy under any circumstance. His appearance had to be the worst one by a candidate that I've ever seen in 30 years of following politics. I'm not sure what I'm more worried about: (1) he loses and Hillary becomes President, or (2) he wins and he becomes President.

I simply don't have any faith in Trump's decision-making abilities, including whom he would nominate for the Supreme Court. He's easily the least prepared major presidential candidate I have ever seen. Virtually every single time that he needs to respond to an interview question, whether by Stephanopoulos or somebody else, he gets it wrong or says something nonsensical that opens him up to legitimate criticism. Either way, you don't come away from hearing his comments having any faith in the guy's decision-making abilities on political matters. I'm disgusted that the Republicans didn't put up a quality candidate because a better candidate would probably beat the ethically challenged Hillary by at least 3-5 percent in November.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 12:38 AM (rtfSu)

312 Posted by: Jim at August 02, 2016 12:36 AM

Thank you Jim.

It may be nothing. Or it may be something. I'll know on Wednesday...

Posted by: shibumi who needs new anti rage medication at August 02, 2016 12:39 AM (tvyXw)

313 Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 12:10 AM (q7T0y)
The sheriffs shot the guy that abducted her in Santa Ynez in a trailer park.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 02, 2016 12:41 AM (eU/yZ)

314 Slappy's piece (and I'm not criticizing you, Slappy) reminds me of a conversation I had with my (sane) bro-in-law this past weekend.

Was talking to him about Cruz's refusal to endorse Trump at the RNC, because of the stuff DT had said about TC's family. Anyhoo, BIL's response was "boo hoo, Teddy's feelings were hurt. So we're going to throw away the next 50 years of Supreme Court rulings over that?!?"

Gotta admit I hadn't thought of it that way.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 12:41 AM (q7T0y)

315 I'm disgusted that the Republicans didn't put up a quality candidate because a better candidate would probably beat the ethically challenged Hillary by at least 3-5 percent in November.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 12:38 AM (rtfSu)

You sound concerned.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 12:42 AM (f3Uae)

316 CaliGirl, I know. They shot the *one guy* who knew where she was. Maybe that was how that suspect wanted it; suicide by cop.

Like I said, it's spooky and sad. And the missing woman, Pearl Pinson, is probably dead by now.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 12:43 AM (q7T0y)

317 I forgot it was a friend's birthday today, and took her out to eat crab at Red Lobster for dinner.

Next time I will plan ahead and get her Dungeness crab instead, the snow crab does not do it for me.

She is a tiny thing and I watched her tuck away a pound of crab legs with suppressed delight.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 02, 2016 12:43 AM (ry34m)

318 She is a tiny thing and I watched her tuck away a pound of crab legs with suppressed delight.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 02, 2016 12:43 AM (ry34m)

No love for my Oklahoma Crab Cakes?

Posted by: Fauxcahontas at August 02, 2016 12:46 AM (f3Uae)

319
Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 12:38 AM (rtfSu)
You said something truthful and critical about Trump, therefore you outed yourself as a Hillary voter around here. Just be warned.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 12:46 AM (E0VQV)

320 315

You sound concerned.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 12:42 AM (f3Uae)

Don't try to treat me like a concern troll. Enough people here know my username and my reputation as a strong conservative, as I've been posting here since 2004.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 12:47 AM (rtfSu)

321 Kindltot, not sure who it was-- I think it was Jim Gaffigan-- but I recently saw a comedian who was doing a whole bit on how, delicious as crab legs are... it's stuff God never meant for us to *eat.* ;-)

Was funny IMHO. He basically imagines God saying "I gave you big hearty juicy bison and chickens and turkeys, and you're gonna eat the freakin' CRAB?!?!?!"

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 12:47 AM (q7T0y)

322 I can't wait to see how the Iranian "women's" soccer team does. From what I've seen and read the entire team, with one or two exceptions, are guys - men - who accepted their government's generous offer of sex-chance surgery in lieu of being hanged as homosexuals.

Now let us remember that the Australian national women's team was recently stomped into the ground by a team of male 15 and 16 year olds ....

Should be interesting.

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee. TRUMP2016, BECAUSE FCUK THEM, THAT'S WHY at August 02, 2016 12:49 AM (d6d5H)

323 David French?

Shouldn't he be picking his National Security Council directors, not handicapping other candidates' "plans"?

Oh.

(and good luck selling any serious ISIS plan to the current populace of the US, which is thoroughly unserious, from "left" to "right", and ever more attached to their stand-off and drive-by and quarter-assed fantasies of shaping events for free, and without risk)

Posted by: rhomboid at August 02, 2016 12:49 AM (QDnY+)

324 Hi, can I come out of lurkdom to rant about my pearl-clutching Christian friends who literally think they would be committing sin by voting for Trump?

I am so sick of the exhortations to vote according to conscience rather than for the "lesser of two evils." The rationale is that Christians should only vote for a godly candidate. Since neither the D or R candidate is godly, then to vote for Trump in order to defeat Hillary is compromising your principles rather than putting your faith in God. We're supposed to either stay home or write in Cruz or Carson or something and trust that God will honor our faith in Him and protect us no matter what, even if Hillary gets elected.

I am a Bible-believing conservative Christian, and I'm going to walk in the voting booth, push that button for Trump, and pray for God to multiply my vote like the loaves and fishes to give Trump the victory.

Trump is a classless buffoon, without dignity, without a filter. He in no way meets my standard of morality in his personal life, and I'm sure he's engaged in some extremely shady business practices. He might be a bigot, I don't know.

But Hillary is pure evil. She is treasonous. She has blood on her hands. She hates everything I believe in. I am convinced that if she were given enough power, she would condemn me and others like me to death or imprisonment and take our children away to be raised according to her ideals.

And the only thing standing between me and her is Donald Trump, who has shown only respect to Christians.

I wish I could convince my friends of this. But I'm not good at argument and conflict. So I rant here to the people in the gray box who I've been eavesdropping on for the past 8 years.

Posted by: Rarity at August 02, 2016 12:50 AM (t7Cu6)

325 Article about Michael Phelps. Not just double jointed, but makes less lactic acid than others as well.

http://tinyurl.com/h92ou9o

Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 02, 2016 12:50 AM (CmpB+)

326 319

You said something truthful and critical about Trump, therefore you outed yourself as a Hillary voter around here. Just be warned.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 12:46 AM (E0VQV)

Yeah, how dare some of us who've given countless hours and thousands of dollars to Republican candidates over the past 30 years criticize a guy who has little to no track record as a conservative or Republican in all of his years in public life.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 12:51 AM (rtfSu)

327 Rarity, fair enough. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 12:51 AM (q7T0y)

328 BourbonChicken -

Yeah, noir pretty much tunes up the guitar and then turns it up to 11.

Can think of only a few from that genre that lack the traditional femme fatale. These two come to mind immediately, but there are others:

A Touch of Evil
The Third Man

I note both are Orson Welles pics.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 12:52 AM (zygxf)

329 Hey, I never noticed that Trump MAGA sticker on the Barrel before...

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 12:52 AM (q7T0y)

330 I am so sick of the exhortations to vote according to conscience rather than for the "lesser of two evils."

When you frame the act of voting as a *moral act*, as many Christians do, why is it then so preposterous to suggest that neither candidate is acceptable?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 12:53 AM (E0VQV)

331 And the only thing standing between me and her is Donald Trump, who has shown only respect to Christians.

I wish I could convince my friends of this. But I'm not good at
argument and conflict. So I rant here to the people in the gray box who
I've been eavesdropping on for the past 8 years.

Posted by: Rarity at August 02, 2016 12:50 AM (t7Cu6)

Welcome to the Horde. Your outlook matches mine. I'm not particularly thrilled about the choice, but he's what we've got, and though Trump is certainly not a champion of morality and virtue, preventing a far greater evil is a perfectly valid reason to vote for someone like him.

To condemn your fellow Americans to the destruction of their nation under Hillary, through inaction, or for spite or to satisfy your own need for virtue signaling, would be the height of selfishness. It's the sin of Pride, and Pride is the deadliest of the 7 Deadly Sins.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 02, 2016 12:54 AM (J+mig)

332 Don't try to treat me like a concern troll. Enough people here know my username and my reputation as a strong conservative, as I've been posting here since 2004.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 12:47 AM (rtfSu)

Funny, that, considering that your post is a letter-perfect example of what concern trolls (who never fail to identify as strong conservatives) typically write. Letter.Perfect.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 12:54 AM (f3Uae)

333 297 A bit OT:

Had a worrisome day at the vet with my kitty kat.

She is a rescue, and is about nine or ten.

Has had serious health issues in the past, and now I've found out she has a heart murmur and perhaps kidney issues.

I'm trying to brave about it, but not doing a very good job.

/yes, yes, I've replaced humans with my cat, I realize I have issues, and some day, when I get a real job, I promise I'll go for lots and lots of therapy.

Posted by: shibumi who needs new anti rage medication at August 02, 2016 12:30 AM (tvyXw)'

I'm so sorry to hear about your cat. My wife and I have more cats than I'm willing to admit to and we are heavily involved in our local cat and dog charities so we know the heartache and pain that you're going through. One thing I will tell you is that we have a large "Hemingway" (or polydactyl) cat about 10 years old who had been abandoned by multiple owners previously and was left outside to die. He ended up making his way to our place so we rescued him about 4 years ago and he's now living a good life as an indoor-only cat. However, we found out two years ago that he had a heart murmur so I know what you're going through. However, the cat can still live out a full life so don't lose faith. Just try to minimize the stress that it goes through, which can be difficult in our case due to the other cats we own, and make sure it eats well and visits the vet regularly. Good luck.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 12:54 AM (rtfSu)

334 What you are really doing is arguing against the premise, that voting per se should not be considered a moral act, a statement of conscience. Good luck with that premise.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 12:54 AM (E0VQV)

335 no, chemjeff, he outed himself as a reasonable yet fairly impractical citizen, but if you mean there's anything other than a binary choice (as in almost all US elections in our history), no, wrong there too.

"Truthful yet critical". Obama, Biden, and Hillary are idiots, obviously spectacularly unfit (by intellect, temperament, or character) for any public office, even city councilman. Obviously.

So all these people who appear to have been born last week or been in suspended animation for 10 years ought to catch up on the state of things if they want to understand why their alarm and repulsion seem so vapid.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 02, 2016 12:54 AM (QDnY+)

336 In an imaginary match, I would vote for Trump over Obama, Kerry, Gore, Bill Clinton, Dukakis, and Mondale. It probably goes back much further, but I haven't thought that far. These are all incredibly compromised personalities, and I consider it a systemic problem that Dems won't nominate someone who isn't horrible.

I take the positive (if not indicative) story of the Rockefeller Square ice rink, and I try to mentally replace Trump's face with some Democrat. Any democrat. It doesn't hold up.

Trump's awful. The internet won't take a day off from telling me this. Awful isn't criminal.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 02, 2016 12:55 AM (VdICR)

337 334
What you are really doing is arguing against the premise, that voting
per se should not be considered a moral act, a statement of conscience.
Good luck with that premise.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 12:54 AM (E0VQV)

If your conscience is fine with surrendering our nation to a Hillary presidency and the destruction of the Rule of Law that will follow with a 5-Democrat Supreme Court, your conscience is not worth following.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 02, 2016 12:56 AM (J+mig)

338 Was funny IMHO. He basically imagines God saying "I
gave you big hearty juicy bison and chickens and turkeys, and you're
gonna eat the freakin' CRAB?!?!?!"
Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 12:47 AM (q7T0y)

She's a near vegetarian and lives on things made from lettuce, nori, tofu, anchovy powder, rice, kimchee and treats herself with dried cuttlefish.

Her tucking away vast amounts of crab is amazing to watch. Restrained, stylish gluttony.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 02, 2016 12:56 AM (ry34m)

339 no, chemjeff, he outed himself as a reasonable yet fairly impractical
citizen, but if you mean there's anything other than a binary choice (as
in almost all US elections in our history), no, wrong there too.

Guess what, there are more than two names on the ballot. No one is forced to vote for the top two.

So all these people who appear to have been born last week or been
in suspended animation for 10 years ought to catch up on the state of
things if they want to understand why their alarm and repulsion seem so
vapid.

The problem is that this place is turning into just like most of the other right-of-center sites which treats any criticism of Trump, no matter how legitimate, as some treasonous act in support of The Enemy Clinton.

If it's going to be your position that No Criticism Of Trump Will Be Tolerated Because To Do So Is To Give Aid And Comfort To The Enemy, then just say so.

But if that is not your position, then really, just argue the criticism on the merits, or just shut up already, when someone says something truthfully critical about Trump.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 12:58 AM (E0VQV)

340 "boo hoo, Teddy's feelings were hurt. So we're going to throw away the next 50 years of Supreme Court rulings over that?!?"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Cruz (or a Cruz-leaning PAC) go after Melania first? I'm pretty sure Trump was just returning fire.

Now of course he was probably guilty of using "disproportionate force", but I've always thought that criticism (usually directed @ Israel) was bull shit. In a conflict, using disproportionate force is kinda the entire point of the exercise. There ain't no referee and nobody's handing out Miss Congeniality awards.

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee. TRUMP2016, BECAUSE FCUK THEM, THAT'S WHY at August 02, 2016 12:58 AM (d6d5H)

341 330 When you frame the act of voting as a *moral act*, as many Christians do, why is it then so preposterous to suggest that neither candidate is acceptable?

-- Because I feel like I'm about to be re-living first-century Rome, and I have a chance to vote against Nero. So I'm not too concerned about the acceptability of the guy running against Nero because he's NOT NERO.

Posted by: Rarity at August 02, 2016 01:00 AM (t7Cu6)

342 Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 12:43 AM (q7T0y)
Sadly, my cop BIL thinks she's dead.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 02, 2016 01:00 AM (eU/yZ)

343 332

Funny, that, considering that your post is a letter-perfect example of what concern trolls (who never fail to identify as strong conservatives) typically write. Letter.Perfect.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 12:54 AM (f3Uae)

Yeah, you outed me. My secret plan was to post here as a conservative since 2004 to gain credibility with readers so that in 2016 I could finally enact my evil plan to promote liberalism. Of course, for maximum effect, I'll post my comments at 1 a.m. on a weeknight so that 11 people will read it.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 01:00 AM (rtfSu)

344 I have a question for any Operation Iraq Freedom veterans reading this. While I am not doubting that ALL men and women who serve are heroes to me, I question a story I read of Capt Khan ordering his soldiers into formation near gate of compound in Iraq when he (and others? Unsure of how many died with him) was killed.

He died, per Military Times, 6/8/04 at gate of compound by vehicle carrying IED's "while he was inspecting soldiers on guard duty."

On January 18, 2004, suicide bombs hit gates of US led coalition headquarters, killing 20 and wounding 63 (mostly Iraqi's lined up for jobs). The Toyota pickup came as close as possible to the gate, called "Assassin's Gate," and killed as many as possible. "The coalition headquarters is one of the most heavily protected areas in Baghdad. US soldiers guarding the gate usually stand about 20 yards from the road behind coils of barbed wire and concrete barriers." Lubbock Avalanche-Journal 01/19/04

This story makes me wonder why Capt Khan apparently broke protocol in inspecting a group of soldiers lined up near the compound in Baqubah, Iraq five months after worst attack since Hussein's capture in December 2013.

I read a comment (somewhere) of his doing this and looked into it...which is apparently more than the MSM bother to do. Google also has his father as an attorney deeply attached to the Clinton's. But the MSM today are mostly twits on twitter passing around the same meme of the day.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at August 02, 2016 01:02 AM (Wb4xo)

345 CaliGirl, yep.

ChicagoRefugee, also yep.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 01:02 AM (q7T0y)

346 323 David French?

Shouldn't he be picking his National Security Council directors, not handicapping other candidates' "plans"?

Oh.

(and good luck selling any serious ISIS plan to the current populace of the US, which is thoroughly unserious, from "left" to "right", and ever more attached to their stand-off and drive-by and quarter-assed fantasies of shaping events for free, and without risk)
Posted by: rhomboid at August 02, 2016 12:49 AM (QDnY

Tranny escort out of DC.

Posted by: Cactus of Libetty at August 02, 2016 01:03 AM (fvkPE)

347 If your conscience is fine with surrendering our
nation to a Hillary presidency and the destruction of the Rule of Law
that will follow with a 5-Democrat Supreme Court, your conscience is not
worth following.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 02, 2016 12:56 AM (J+mig)
My conscience does not want the country surrendered to either one of them. Which is why I'm not voting for either one of them. Which is worse, having 5 statists on SCOTUS that shred half of the Bill of Rights, or having 5 different statists on SCOTUS that shred the other half of the Bill of Rights?
I continue to be amused by people who think that Hillary represents this SINGULAR EVIL. The evil that she represents is all over the place, and a great deal of it resides in Donald Trump as well.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 01:03 AM (E0VQV)

348 Here. A moronesque take on "healthy lifestyles" From Russia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgdP5U28jHc

(turn on the CC, there are English subtitles)

Posted by: Kindltot at August 02, 2016 01:04 AM (ry34m)

349 344 I have a question for any Operation Iraq Freedom veterans reading this. While I am not doubting that ALL men and women who serve are heroes to me, I question a story I read of Capt Khan ordering his soldiers into formation near gate of compound in Iraq when he (and others? Unsure of how many died with him) was killed.

He died, per Military Times, 6/8/04 at gate of compound by vehicle carrying IED's "while he was inspecting soldiers on guard duty."

On January 18, 2004, suicide bombs hit gates of US led coalition headquarters, killing 20 and wounding 63 (mostly Iraqi's lined up for jobs). The Toyota pickup came as close as possible to the gate, called "Assassin's Gate," and killed as many as possible. "The coalition headquarters is one of the most heavily protected areas in Baghdad. US soldiers guarding the gate usually stand about 20 yards from the road behind coils of barbed wire and concrete barriers." Lubbock Avalanche-Journal 01/19/04

This story makes me wonder why Capt Khan apparently broke protocol in inspecting a group of soldiers lined up near the compound in Baqubah, Iraq five months after worst attack since Hussein's capture in December 2013.

I read a comment (somewhere) of his doing this and looked into it...which is apparently more than the MSM bother to do. Google also has his father as an attorney deeply attached to the Clinton's. But the MSM today are mostly twits on twitter passing around the same meme of the day.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at August 02, 2016 01:02 AM (Wb4xo

I've been asking that same question around here since the Wrath of Khan blog post this weekend.

Stinks to high heaven does it not?

Posted by: Cactus of Libetty at August 02, 2016 01:06 AM (fvkPE)

350 Posted by: Rarity at August 02, 2016 01:00 AM (t7Cu6)

But you have denied the very premise of the argument. The question isn't "who is least bad". The question is "who meets this high standard of moral acceptability". You are right, voting for some jerk against Nero would likely be the less bad option. But then you would also be complicit in what that jerk ended up doing. Is that the *moral* option, on an absolute level? You are essentially arguing in favor of moral relativism. Think about that.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 01:06 AM (E0VQV)

351 Just so we're clear, then -

Recounting and recapitulating the many, many deep concerns one has about Trump, agonizing about how terrible a man and choice he his, does not constitute an attempt to undermine his candidacy by demoralizing his many shaky supporters, provided one tacks on a formulaic 'but I'm not voting for Hillary.'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:06 AM (zygxf)

352 If you are going to catch the clown virus from pulling the lever for Trump, then what would pulling the lever for Hillary say about you?

And if you are not voting, and staying home harder and more emphatically than you've ever stayed home before, then perhaps you have better things to do than talk about it. Hating Trump is an activity that is more needy for chatter than Crossfit.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 02, 2016 01:07 AM (VdICR)

353 What horrible thing did Trunp say about Kahn?

Posted by: Buzzion at August 02, 2016 01:07 AM (bMG0w)

354 chemjeff, I've never bothered to even comment on your comments (political ones, not culinary) here prior to this.

Now I might remember why.

There are only two names on the ballot that might be president.

I never use the word "treasonous", which is slung around in all sorts of contexts improperly, and I didn't use it here. And I'm not "the blog", and I'm not right of center.

And somehow you missed, in my uncharacteristically terse comment, that I clearly dismissed those who are reacting to Trump's flaws as if it were 1960 in terms of the state of the nation and politics for being out of touch. The country's in horrible shape, and Obama, Biden, and Clinton are disastrously unfit and have a tableau of wreckage to prove it.

Come to think of it, you've achieved some sort of cool new high in poor critical thinking. You use pull quotes from my comment yet manage to respond almost exclusively to things *not* in my comment.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 02, 2016 01:09 AM (QDnY+)

355 A question then:

Given two bad options, does not choosing either immunize one from the inevitable consequences arising out of either outcome?

That is, are heckling spectators the only moral ones in this?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:09 AM (zygxf)

356 These new post DNC polls are depressing the hell out of me. I always sorta knew it but now it's pretty much a done deal we'll have Clinton Part 2 as president. Anyone got some extra Prozac lying around?

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 02, 2016 01:10 AM (s6X53)

357 Guys. Guys. You guys. Guys. GUYS!

You are not gonna believe what Trump said today.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 02, 2016 01:11 AM (VdICR)

358 Guess what, there are more than two names on the ballot. No one is forced to vote for the top two.

So all these people who appear to have been born last week or been
in suspended animation for 10 years ought to catch up on the state of
things if they want to understand why their alarm and repulsion seem so
vapid.

The problem is that this place is turning into just like most of the other right-of-center sites which treats any criticism of Trump, no matter how legitimate, as some treasonous act in support of The Enemy Clinton.

If it's going to be your position that No Criticism Of Trump Will Be Tolerated Because To Do So Is To Give Aid And Comfort To The Enemy, then just say so.

But if that is not your position, then really, just argue the criticism on the merits, or just shut up already, when someone says something truthfully critical about Trump.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 12:58 AM (E0VQV)

You really aren't a critical thinker, are you?

Yes there are more than two names on the ballot. But only two of them have any chance whatsoever of winning all the marbles. A vote for any of the also-rans gets you nothing but some Brownie points for moral preening, and could very well be the end of the nation.

Nobody here has said that you cannot criticize Trump; that's a complete straw man. Criticize all you will, perhaps he will take it under advisement, and up his game accordingly. But it's getting damned tiresome to hear all the poseurs who claim they will never vote for Trump because of some peccadillo that only they seem to see.

Trump may not be perfect, but at the present time he's the only tool in the toolbox that will beat the Entitled Vagina. Go with the Orange Knight you have, and not the White Knight you wish you had.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 01:11 AM (f3Uae)

359 There are only two names on the ballot that might be president.

And I"m not compelled to vote for either one of them. And I'm insulted by suggestions that I have some obligation, moral or otherwise, to vote for either one of them, quite frankly.

YOu are right that I did not respond specifically to your comment in great detail. My response was more of a general criticism.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 01:11 AM (E0VQV)

360 >>>Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Cruz (or a
Cruz-leaning PAC) go after Melania first? I'm pretty sure Trump was just
returning fire.
Posted by: ChicagoRefugee. TRUMP2016, BECAUSE FCUK THEM, THAT'S WHY at August 02, 2016 12:58 AM (d6d5H)<<<

It was done by a Liz Mair run anti-Trump PAC, not a Cruz PAC (but there really wasn't anyone left in the race).

And the Melania add was run in Utah, something Cruz was gonna win by a mile, so no need for him to enlist extra help there.

Just the facts.

Posted by: Sgt. Joe Friday at August 02, 2016 01:13 AM (H9MG5)

361 Fine. Then don't vote.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:13 AM (zygxf)

362 351 Just so we're clear, then -
Recounting and recapitulating the many, many deep concerns one has about Trump, agonizing about how terrible a man and choice he his, does not constitute an attempt to undermine his candidacy by demoralizing his many shaky supporters, provided one tacks on a formulaic 'but I'm not voting for Hillary.'
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:06 AM (zygxf)

If Trump's shaky supporters are shaky, this is fundamentally the fault of Donald J. Trump for failing to close the deal.

The idea that Joe Nobody merely posting comments critical of Trump on Some Blog someplace can somehow make great numbers of these supporters lose faith and stay home on election is simply quasi-insane.

Posted by: Maetenloch at August 02, 2016 01:15 AM (wqVD1)

363 When you frame the act of voting as a *moral act*, as many Christians do, why is it then so preposterous to suggest that neither candidate is acceptable?
Posted by: chemjeff
------------

Well, I disagree that voting is a moral act. To assign to it some ethereal quality is simply not realistic or honest, intellectually or spiritually.

It is a straight-up selection of studied preference, as surely as selecting wheat bread or rye bread, a mule or a horse. It is a judgement regarding which entity is more suited to the task, or possibly, which is the less unsuited.

The questions of 'conscience' or 'morality' I consider to be to be ego-involved rationalizations rather than direct assessment of the practical outcome.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 02, 2016 01:15 AM (oFSUK)

364 My only hope is that the25-30% of Rublicans who say they will vote for Hillary or not vote at all are just lying to pollsters and themselves. Come Election Day I simply don't see 25% of Republicans thinking, yeah I'm good with 8 years of Hillary Clinton. And if that is actually happening, then the GOP should just pack up and leave town because there is no future for a party like that.

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 02, 2016 01:16 AM (s6X53)

365 361 Fine. Then don't vote.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:13 AM (zygxf

There is merit to that choice. When you vote for anybody, you are giving your consent.

If you don't like the choices, don't give your consent.

Posted by: Cactus of Libetty at August 02, 2016 01:16 AM (fvkPE)

366 As an intellectual exercise -

The reich invades the USSR.

We know about the horrors of stalinism, amd we know about the horros of the reich.

Since helping stalin would make one complicit in his purges and atrocities, and helping the reich would make one complicit in their atrocities, would the only moral thing to do be to sit on one's hands and feel particularly proud about having avoided a difficult choice in a messy world and thereby maintained intact one's ethical hymen?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:17 AM (zygxf)

367 USA or NAU*?

Now back to our regularly scheduled ONT.

*North American Union

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee. TRUMP2016, BECAUSE FCUK THEM, THAT'S WHY at August 02, 2016 12:38 AM (d6d5H)

They way things are going, the USA will be dead in spirit and the Constitution ignored.

Would it, then, be better to live under a regime that wears "USA" and the Constitution like a skin suit while demanding respect, or cease the besmirching of the those hallowed names and be honest about what is slouching towards Bethlehem to be born...

Posted by: The Political Gyre at August 02, 2016 01:18 AM (vBeA5)

368 352 If you are going to catch the clown virus from pulling the lever for Trump, then what would pulling the lever for Hillary say about you?

And if you are not voting, and staying home harder and more emphatically than you've ever stayed home before, then perhaps you have better things to do than talk about it. Hating Trump is an activity that is more needy for chatter than Crossfit.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 02, 2016 01:07 AM (VdICR)

So, taking a couple of minutes to post a comment on a site I've frequented virtually every single day for 12 years warrants a snide "perhaps you have better things to do" comment? Puh-lease. It's the FIRST comment I've posted on this site regarding my decision to not vote for Trump as I finally came to this decision after Sunday's appearance. I know I'm not alone in my views among conservatives, which sucks because I've voted for the Republican candidate in every general election since I was first able to vote in 1988.

Don't worry about it anyway. I live in a strong GOP state that Trump will probably win by 10 points so my vote won't affect anything.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 01:18 AM (rtfSu)

369 here are only two names on the ballot that might be president.

And I"m not compelled to vote for either one of them. And I'm insulted by suggestions that I have some obligation, moral or otherwise, to vote for either one of them, quite frankly.

YOu are right that I did not respond specifically to your comment in great detail. My response was more of a general criticism.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 01:11 AM (E0VQV)

Chemjeff, people here are a lot more polite to you than you deserve.

Posted by: gNewt......don't like Ryan.....better call Paul....Nehlen, that is...._ 0 at August 02, 2016 01:18 AM (DKDOJ)

370 Maet -

Never claimed to be wholly sane.

But the persistence of the concerned types suggests they think something is to be gained by it.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:19 AM (zygxf)

371 I hope all of our concerned commenters realize that Trump has already publicly issued a list of potential Supreme Court nominees. So you don't have to wonder or guess who he'll nominate - he's already told us.

Now there is a chance that he'll pull a doublecross and nominate a looney lefty, but since the chances of Hillary doing so are 100%, we still have better odds with Trump.

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee. TRUMP2016, BECAUSE FCUK THEM, THAT'S WHY at August 02, 2016 01:19 AM (d6d5H)

372 Again I ask what horrible thing did Trump say about Khan on Sunday

Posted by: Buzzion at August 02, 2016 01:19 AM (bMG0w)

373 The idea that Joe Nobody merely posting comments critical of Trump on Some Blog someplace can somehow make great numbers of these supporters lose faith and stay home on election is simply quasi-insane.

Posted by: Maetenloch at August 02, 2016 01:15 AM (wqVD1)

Well, it certainly seems to be the fervent wish of concern trolls that such be the case. I doubt they are very effective, just annoying. Like those ads for that "Head-On" headache remedy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 01:19 AM (f3Uae)

374 But the persistence of the concerned types suggests they think something is to be gained by it.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:19 AM (zygxf)

Yes, it's called the satisfaction of stating your own opinion.

Posted by: Maetenloch at August 02, 2016 01:21 AM (wqVD1)

375 The boat is sinking. If you choose not to bail because you think the Captain is an unsuitable captain, where does that leave you morally?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 02, 2016 01:21 AM (oFSUK)

376 Since helping stalin would make one complicit in his purges and atrocities, and helping the reich would make one complicit in their atrocities, would the only moral thing to do be to sit on one's hands and feel particularly proud about having avoided a difficult choice in a messy world and thereby maintained intact one's ethical hymen?

Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:17 AM (zygxf)

Letting NAZI Germany and Stalinist Russia destroy each other would have been a best case solution... except for the Poles

Posted by: The Alternatively Historical Hat at August 02, 2016 01:21 AM (vBeA5)

377 Again I ask what horrible thing did Trump say about Khan on Sunday

Posted by: Buzzion at August 02, 2016 01:19 AM (bMG0w)

As far as the LIVs are concerned, whatever the MSM claims he said...

Posted by: The Non-Mainstream Hat at August 02, 2016 01:22 AM (vBeA5)

378 Hat, weren't the Poles literally stuck in the middle of that battle?

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 01:22 AM (q7T0y)

379 90 days until the election. So that 90 more times I get to read someone say "I was going to vote for Trump, until what he said yesterday!"

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 02, 2016 01:22 AM (VdICR)

380 The boat is sinking. If you choose not to bail because you think the Captain is an unsuitable captain, where does that leave you morally?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 02, 2016 01:21 AM (oFSUK)

Yes. Hildabeast wins we lose.
Trump wins we have a chance.

Posted by: gNewt......don't like Ryan.....better call Paul....Nehlen, that is...._ 0 at August 02, 2016 01:23 AM (DKDOJ)

381 Alt history hat -

Heh....a hat after my own heart.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:23 AM (zygxf)

382 Hat, weren't the Poles literally stuck in the middle of that battle?

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 01:22 AM (q7T0y)

What the heck were we?

Posted by: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania at August 02, 2016 01:23 AM (vBeA5)

383 Yes there are more than two names on the ballot. But only two of them
have any chance whatsoever of winning all the marbles.

So? Why am I under any obligation to vote for the top two?

A vote for any of
the also-rans gets you nothing but some Brownie points for moral
preening,

My vote is my vote. Why do you care how I choose to use it? Suppose it is just some act of moral preening. Or suppose it is a sincere demonstration of my conscientious beliefs. Or suppose I show up drunk and write in Bart Simpson. It is my choice.

and could very well be the end of the nation.

Oh baloney. This is just more of the scaremongering from the Trumpists in order to try to blackmail the skeptics into voting for him. "Vote for Trump or the USA gets it!" The country would survive the presidencies of either one of those two assholes. Doesn't mean it would survive in a good place, but it would survive. Trotting out the apocalyptic nonsense only makes you out to be a scaremongering nutter, quite frankly.

Nobody here has said that you cannot criticize Trump; that's a complete straw man.

No not really, see #192. I doubt that type of comment is an outlier.

But it's getting damned tiresome to hear all the poseurs who claim they will never vote for Trump because of some peccadillo that only they seem to see.

If I am the only one who sees Trump's numerous flaws, it isn't because his flaws aren't real, it's because the Trumpists refuse to see them. Which is basically just confirmation bias in action.

For instance - and you and I have been back and forth on this numerous times - the issue of Vera Coking. If Hillary had done what Trump did, you would have blown a gasket and use it as just one more example of how the rich bitch felt entitled to stomp over little people in order to enlarge her corrupt little empire. But because Trump did it, you blame the victim and excuse what he did. If you are unwilling to address these types of issues seriously and sincerely then that is not my problem, that is yours.

Trump may not be perfect, but at the present time he's the only tool in
the toolbox that will beat the Entitled Vagina. Go with the Orange
Knight you have, and not the White Knight you wish you had.

You speak as if beating the Entitled Vagina was the ultimate goal here. It is not. The goal isn't to beat Hillary the person, or at least shouldn't be. The goal should be to defeat those leftist ideas that she represents. In the long run, WHO CARES if Hillary the person is defeated, if the country continues to support her leftist crap that she spews? I have no interest in beating Hillary if it means her ideas get implemented anyway under the visage of Donald Trump.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 01:25 AM (E0VQV)

384 So, taking a couple of minutes to post a comment on a site I've frequented virtually every single day for 12 years warrants a snide "perhaps you have better things to do" comment? Puh-lease. It's the FIRST comment I've posted on this site regarding my decision to not vote for Trump as I finally came to this decision after Sunday's appearance. I know I'm not alone in my views among conservatives, which sucks because I've voted for the Republican candidate in every general election since I was first able to vote in 1988.

Don't worry about it anyway. I live in a strong GOP state that Trump will probably win by 10 points so my vote won't affect anything.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 01:18 AM (rtfSu)

Every concern troll, ever, claims to have been a "conservative of long standing" who has been "posting here for years". It's on Page One of the script. If you really have been such, and been posting here for that long long, you would know these things, and would find a way to couch your reservations in terms that don't simply bring on hoots of laughter.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 01:25 AM (f3Uae)

385 BourbonChicken @ 352, hilarious.

Christy, your comment and excerpted stuff re Iraq are confusing (at least to me). I haven't looked into the Khan son's death. But of course his service and death are not, and have not been, a topic of debate or discussion.

Which disconnect aptly sums up the astonishing state of public stupidity and logical disability in 2016.

But I doubt there's much profit in finding out details, even if it appears someone screwed up. Screw ups resulting in KIAs in any war, including Iraq, are unavoidable, and rarely tell much of a wider tale.

Though the criminal stupidity of the "strategy" 2004-2006 is worth examining - but that's a matter of the brass, not the guys "living the dream" and trying not to gain weight from the pies at the DFAC.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 02, 2016 01:25 AM (QDnY+)

386 378 Hat, weren't the Poles literally stuck in the middle of that battle?
Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 01:22 AM (

Something like that.

Posted by: Danzig at August 02, 2016 01:25 AM (fvkPE)

387 382 Hat, weren't the Poles literally stuck in the middle of that battle?

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 01:22 AM (q7T0y)

What the heck were we?

Posted by: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania at August 02, 2016 01:23 AM (vBeA5

A little bit north.

Posted by: buzzion at August 02, 2016 01:25 AM (bMG0w)

388 Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:17 AM (zygxf)

Allegory of the concern trolls, eh?

Posted by: gNewt......don't like Ryan.....better call Paul....Nehlen, that is...._ 0 at August 02, 2016 01:25 AM (DKDOJ)

389 Trump hit hard against Cruz and Jeb and every other Rebublican. And it worked because the msm didn't defend his opponent. But now it isn't working against Hillary or Kahn or anyone else since the MSM is playing fighting back on the side of trump's target. I don't think he has quite figured this out yet.

Posted by: #neverskankles at August 02, 2016 01:26 AM (s6X53)

390 Shim...

Prayers for your Feline Family Member. It's a testament to who you are that you brought them into your life.
Every day of Love that they have is one they would not without you. It's not much consolation, but they are better off because of you. And we are Always better off because of them.

Posted by: Hillbillyking at August 02, 2016 01:26 AM (a+Olp)

391 Just for the record, I'm gonna vote Trump.

But do I have the slightest fantasy that he's up for the job, that he's serious about his Christianity, that he won't delegate everything to death, that he has some idea what the job will actually be like from day to day, that he'll be competent at it? Not really.

I'm voting for Trump not to support him. I'm voting for him to BLOCK HILLARY. That's all, the end. Nothing else, zip, nada, nothing, no how, no way.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 01:26 AM (q7T0y)

392 Since helping stalin would make one complicit in his purges and atrocities, and helping the reich would make one complicit in their atrocities, would the only moral thing to do be to sit on one's hands and feel particularly proud about having avoided a difficult choice in a messy world and thereby maintained intact one's ethical hymen?
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Well, the Germans couldn't figure why the Allies didn't see the threat of the Bolshies, and they probably were right. Roosevelt did not comprehend the monster that he was enabling.

Helping the Rooskies engage the Germans made good sense, but Roosevelt overdid it.

I don't think that answers the question, but it's all I got.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 02, 2016 01:27 AM (oFSUK)

393 Any trip around the 4 corners should include deliberate stops at

the North Rim of the Grand Canyon, and the San Francisco Peaks, AZ

Ouray, Durango, Pagoda Srings, CO,

Santa Fe and Taos, NM.

Utah? Not so much. Unfriendly inbred polygamous settlements scattered about. Gas up and keep going until you get to the bunch of rocks in the NP of your choice.

Posted by: Growler at August 02, 2016 01:27 AM (Mt8T4)

394 383
Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 01:25 AM (E0VQV)

I find all sorts of humor in this comment.

Posted by: buzzion at August 02, 2016 01:27 AM (bMG0w)

395 Oh boy....

...and this is where I say goodnight Boners and Bonerettes.

Posted by: Cactus of Libetty at August 02, 2016 01:28 AM (fvkPE)

396 If you do not vote, you still have to live with the results of others' voting, and the crooked Chicago-way vote fraud too.

Unless you are a member of the 1% rich you will feel the effects of this year's election good and hard.

Posted by: Boots at August 02, 2016 01:30 AM (EBwPV)

397 Well, ThePoliticalGyre, then the question boils down to: live with - and pay for - the remaining population of Mexico and as many Central/South Americans and Africans as they can bribe to make the journey, or await the Beast that slouches with only the 60 million unassimilatable foreigners who have been foisted upon us in the last 60 years?

With or without as many (more) socialism-loving foreigners as they can import and bribe with our tax money? Hmmm, let me think ....

I'm thinking "without" might be less bloody in the long run.

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee. TRUMP2016, BECAUSE FCUK THEM, THAT'S WHY at August 02, 2016 01:30 AM (d6d5H)

398 Every concern troll, ever, claims to have been a "conservative of long standing" who has been "posting here for years". It's on Page One of the script. If you really have been such, and been posting here for that long long, you would know these things, and would find a way to couch your reservations in terms that don't simply bring on hoots of laughter.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 01:25 AM (f3Uae)

Slappy has been around here for at least several years.

Posted by: Maetenloch at August 02, 2016 01:30 AM (wqVD1)

399 I think part of the problem here is that things are grown rather intensely political of late, for good reason, of course, but all the same.......

People have decided to tangle up these notions of political necessity with abstract pronouncements of universal ethical/moral principles. These things need not be two sides of the same coin, and I'd suggest that the triumphant implementation of the leftist mantra 'the personal is the political' has wrought untold damage.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:30 AM (zygxf)

400 Any trip around the 4 corners should include deliberate stops at

the North Rim of the Grand Canyon, and the San Francisco Peaks, AZ

Ouray, Durango, Pagoda Srings, CO,

Santa Fe and Taos, NM.

Utah? Not so much. Unfriendly inbred polygamous settlements scattered about. Gas up and keep going until you get to the bunch of rocks in the NP of your choice.

Posted by: Growler at August 02, 2016 01:27 AM (Mt8T4)

No comment on Utah, but Meteor Crater is worth a look see.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 01:30 AM (f3Uae)

401 The questions of 'conscience' or 'morality' I consider to be to be
ego-involved rationalizations rather than direct assessment of the
practical outcome.

Funny, but the prog left agrees with you. That is why they fight to force nuns to give birth control to their employees. They fundamentally disagree with "religious liberty" because they believe, as you do, that claims of "religious liberty" are really just post-hoc rationalizations to justify what they *really* want to do, which is, oppress women and force theocracy onto people. Welcome to Team Prog!

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 01:31 AM (E0VQV)

402 You speak as if beating the Entitled Vagina was the ultimate goal here. It is not. The goal isn't to beat Hillary the person, or at least shouldn't be. The goal should be to defeat those leftist ideas that she represents. In the long run, WHO CARES if Hillary the person is defeated, if the country continues to support her leftist crap that she spews? I have no interest in beating Hillary if it means her ideas get implemented anyway under the visage of Donald Trump.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 01:25 AM (E0VQV)

Just a few words of wisdom:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/h3s3nkl

Posted by: The Holding Hat at August 02, 2016 01:31 AM (vBeA5)

403 Roosevelt should have not allowed Russia into Berlin and should have told Patton to drive Russia back past Poland and Latvia and Estonia.

Posted by: gNewt......don't like Ryan.....better call Paul....Nehlen, that is...._ 0 at August 02, 2016 01:31 AM (DKDOJ)

404 350 The question isn't "who is least bad". The question is "who meets this high standard of moral acceptability". You are right, voting for some jerk against Nero would likely be the less bad option. But then you would also be complicit in what that jerk ended up doing. Is that the *moral* option, on an absolute level? You are essentially arguing in favor of moral relativism. Think about that.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 01:06 AM
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Politics is not my religion, voting is not a holy act, and Jesus Christ is not on the ballot.

The question IS who is least bad, or more precisely, what vote will do the least damage.

If my only choice were between Mussolini and Stalin, I would pick Mussolini. That would NOT make me responsible for everything the guy did if he won.

Making moral comparisons, as in judging the lesser of evils, is NOT moral relativism. Moral relativism, which denies a transcendent or absolute standard, actually makes moral comparisons impossible.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 02, 2016 01:32 AM (T/5A0)

405 If my only choice were between Mussolini and Stalin, I would pick Mussolini. That would NOT make me responsible for everything the guy did if he won.

Making moral comparisons, as in judging the lesser of evils, is NOT moral relativism. Moral relativism, which denies a transcendent or absolute standard, actually makes moral comparisons impossible.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 02, 2016 01:32 AM (T/5A0)

That's a spicy ~~meatball~~ comment!

Posted by: Zombie Il Duce at August 02, 2016 01:34 AM (vBeA5)

406 Slappy, I disagree with you, but nice to see you post again.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 02, 2016 01:34 AM (T/cxb)

407 gNewt -

Yep

.good Lord, the whole Red Army was out of the country.

Keep them outta Berlin, push em back to the USSR, and then think about the unthinkable.......

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:36 AM (zygxf)

408 Slappy has been around here for at least several years.
Posted by: Maetenloch at August 02, 2016 01:30 AM
----
Yeah, Slapweasel temporarily changed his nic to ColdBeer1 to give Slappy back his nic bc commenters kept confusing the two of them.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 02, 2016 01:37 AM (6IPEM)

409 Jesus Chemjeff -- if you don't want to vote for Trump then don't.

Nobody's twisting your arm.

Can't you just go the fuck away?

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 01:37 AM (qUNWi)

410 Slappy has been around here for at least several years.

Posted by: Maetenloch at August 02, 2016 01:30 AM (wqVD1)

Yeah, I know, Maet. And he is distinct from Slapweasel, who sometimes gets called "Slappy" in conversation. But why would a Moron of long standing go out of his way to emulate the boiler-plate verbiage of a typical concern troll, other than to mock it?

And all over an allegedly poor performance by Trump in an interview with Georgie Snuffleupagus, which, if it were really bad, would have been talked about here incessantly, all day? Something does not compute. Maybe Slappy's computer got hacked?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 01:37 AM (f3Uae)

411 Hey guys. Guys. Guys. Guys. Hey guys. You guys. Guys. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey guys.

Team Valor is really awful. I kind of had an idea, but on Sunday it was obvious. It was obvious to everybody. You guys are just blind to it. Confirmational bias. Something wrong with you guys if you don't believe me.

I didn't say I was for Team Mystic. They're bad too.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 02, 2016 01:37 AM (VdICR)

412 Margarita, you have the patience and diligence I lack.

I was rather puzzled when the recent departure of a regular now back and yakking it up tonight was lamented by all.

I am now 100 times as puzzled.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 02, 2016 01:39 AM (QDnY+)

413 Eleven -

No, I don't mind chemjeff. Not a bad frood, in his way.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:40 AM (zygxf)

414 409 Jesus Chemjeff -- if you don't want to vote for Trump then don't.
Nobody's twisting your arm.
Can't you just go the fuck away?
Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 01:37 AM (qUNWi)

So he says something you don't agree with. Big fucking deal.

How about you ignore the fuck out of his comments?

Posted by: Maetenloch at August 02, 2016 01:40 AM (wqVD1)

415 @366..

Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

HordeSource....

Unc P you really should trademark/copyright that one.

Posted by: Hillbillyking at August 02, 2016 01:42 AM (a+Olp)

416 And all over an allegedly poor performance by Trump in an interview with Georgie Snuffleupagus, which, if it were really bad, would have been talked about here incessantly, all day? Something does not compute. Maybe Slappy's computer got hacked?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 01:37 AM (f3Uae)

Or perhaps he sincerely means what he wrote.

How about you stop policing for concern trolls?

Posted by: Maetenloch at August 02, 2016 01:42 AM (wqVD1)

417 Sorry chemjeff you're awesome bro!!

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 01:43 AM (qUNWi)

418 Rhomboid -

Now, he didn't depart.

All he wrote was something to the effect that the day he spent arguing that anything less or other than door-to-door raids by law enforcement to ensure compliance constituted insufficient support for immigration law in particular, and the rule of law in general, would be his last day here.

Note, it is night. Man of his word.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:43 AM (zygxf)

419 Everyone, apologies for the concern trolling. *But*:

If there's another knock-down drag-out fight here, I fear that this blog is done for.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 01:44 AM (q7T0y)

420 Maet, I'm going back to ignoring his comments, but that's because they're incoherent, and clueless, and sophomoric. Saying one "disagrees" with such drivel doesn't sound accurate.

And now I see he's added a dash of belligerence to the heretofore mild-mannered schtick.

Whatever.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 02, 2016 01:44 AM (QDnY+)

421 Did you ever get that steak right my main man?

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 01:44 AM (qUNWi)

422 It started about 3 days ago, the tension.

Posted by: gNewt......don't like Ryan.....better call Paul....Nehlen, that is...._ 0 at August 02, 2016 01:45 AM (DKDOJ)

423 Politics is not my religion, voting is not a holy act, and Jesus Christ is not on the ballot.

That is how you see it. That is not how everyone sees it.

What some people - perhaps not you, but others - seem to be arguing, is that those people, Christian or not, who believe their vote represents a moral choice, are *wrong* and should shut up and accept the amoral secular viewpoint of voting as a purely strategic act with no moral relevance at all.

If my only choice were between Mussolini and Stalin, I would pick
Mussolini. That would NOT make me responsible for everything the guy
did if he won.

Please investigate the concept of complicity in sin. This is what Volokh said about it, about the Hobby Lobby/Nuns cases, and it is worth a read:

http://tinyurl.com/h4hfhrz

Bottom line: No other person really has any sort of standing to declare where the line ought to be drawn, for any individual, on what standard of immoral behavior ought to be "enough" to tolerate.

There are plenty of religious martyrs in history who, when faced with the choice "Convert or Die", chose death even though a faked conversion would have been the least bad option from their point of view.

Now, do *I* see the stakes of voting in such stark terms? No. Do others? Possibly, and it is not my place to judge.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 01:46 AM (E0VQV)

424 Can we all agree that it's no surprise Hillary is getting a bump in the polls right now?

It's what the MFM fucking DOES. Following the DNC, they ALWAYS lie and spin and keep telling all of us that their liberal gal or guy is inevitable. When we *all* know that (a) they've been doing that forever, and (b) every one of their favorite polls oversample partisan braindead Dems.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 01:47 AM (q7T0y)

425 I can't say I blame anyone who comes back to the HQ.

Lotta fine folks here, and I never come away without having learned something.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:47 AM (zygxf)

426 Or perhaps he sincerely means what he wrote.

How about you stop policing for concern trolls?

Posted by: Maetenloch at August 02, 2016 01:42 AM (wqVD1)

Well, I will leave this one be, then. You know, being Canadian, I really don't have a dog in the hunt, but it offends me to see disingenuous or badly-constructed polemics.

Some folks on both sides of the argument are beclowning themselves badly.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 01:47 AM (f3Uae)

427 Now, do *I* see the stakes of voting in such stark terms? No. Do others? Possibly, and it is not my place to judge.

I love this take.

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 01:47 AM (qUNWi)

428

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 01:37 AM (qUNWi)
What's the matter, are Breitbart and Conservative Treehouse and Weasel Zippers and Hotgas.net not enough Trump-slobbering websites for you?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 01:49 AM (E0VQV)

429 What's the matter, are Breitbart and Conservative Treehouse and Weasel Zippers and Hotgas.net not enough Trump-slobbering websites for you?

Hah ha...that was awesome bro...

thanks for the feedback!

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 01:51 AM (qUNWi)

430 There's an old guy with a shop just around the corner from mine. Stopped in there totoday to drop off a pair of shoes that neesed re-heeling, and one of my angel's nicer handbags that she'd tossed because she thought it couldn't be repaired.

Owner/operator has gotta be at least mid-80's, been at his trade since forever. Fascinating old character. Asking his permission to take some photos and set up a really simple website for him.

These men and women are artists; they need to be more widely known and appeeciated.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:52 AM (zygxf)

431 Owner/operator has gotta be at least mid-80's, been at his trade since forever. Fascinating old character. Asking his permission to take some photos and set up a really simple website for him.

These men and women are artists; they need to be more widely known and appeeciated.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:52 AM (zygxf)

Nice going. There is a lot of wisdom in trades.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 01:54 AM (f3Uae)

432 I can't believe that Steam is still allowing the Marvel Ultimate Alliance games to be sold. They're apparently clusterfucks. Really bad console ports, and you can't even use controllers on them.

Posted by: buzzion at August 02, 2016 01:55 AM (bMG0w)

433 At the end of the day, it's simple: Hillary has promised to quintuple Syrian "refugee" admits.

How many more San Bernadinos? How many more Orlando's? How many more raped 5 year olds and sexually assaulted 13 year olds?

How. Many. More?

And ChemJeff in particular, still has not answered a question I've asked him for months about his "closing the border and/or screening out muslims 'isn't who we are'" stance:

How many dead Americans is it worth to you? (h/t Scott Adams)

Because we know - to a certainty - that there will be casualties. There already have been. There will be more. Is there any number of dead Americans that would cause you to rethink your position? How many tortured and mutilated corpses (see Bataclan) before you stop patting yourself on the back for your overweening moral superiority?

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee. TRUMP2016, BECAUSE FCUK THEM, THAT'S WHY at August 02, 2016 01:55 AM (d6d5H)

434 And I am done for the night. Good night, all.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 01:55 AM (f3Uae)

435 I'm done tonight too. Thanks for the chat everyone. Goodnight.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 01:56 AM (q7T0y)

436 How many dead Americans is it worth to you? (h/t Scott Adams)

Are we back now to the "if it saves just one life" standard?

Okay, if that is your standard, how much of your liberty are you willing to give up if it means just saving one life?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 01:58 AM (E0VQV)

437 AOP -

It's sobering to think that 'ere long, hardly anyone will know you can repair things, and this mostly because things are made to be disposable.

Old Mr. M does all right. Enough cowboy boots come in for repair and refurbishing to keep him as he says, 'Busy enough to take off whenever I want.'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 01:59 AM (zygxf)

438 Don't think the ideas about "pushing Stalin" out of, well, anywhere in Europe were in 1945 are realistic. In any sense.

As light as American losses were, among the major allies, there was still less-than-zero apetite for undertaking some new crusade. A crusade whose rationale would have had to be produced out of a hat.

Then there's the small problem of reality on the ground. The Soviet forces the US would have to "push back" were enormous, and had just obliterated the German military. Taking them on would be the largest operation the US had actually mounted in the entire war.

The US is going to DOUBLE its WWII KIA trying to ..... what? "liberate" Czechoslovakia or Estonia? Completely unrealistic.

All counter-factual histories are speculative - but some have no grounding in any realities of the time in question.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 02, 2016 02:00 AM (QDnY+)

439 By the Espionage Act, we could have given up Hillary's liberties to save lives.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 02, 2016 02:00 AM (VdICR)

440 G'night everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 02, 2016 02:04 AM (T/cxb)

441 If there's another knock-down drag-out fight here, I fear that this blog is done for.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 02, 2016 01:44 AM (q7T0y)

Nah, I'll still be here.

Posted by: BignJames at August 02, 2016 02:04 AM (NtJ8p)

442 But McConaughey doesn't want to be just a face. He has ideas. He's an idea man. And we know this because he said of his new job, "I don't want to be just a face. I have ideas. I'm an idea man."

I think McConaughey had just seen Night Shift again. Edible Wild Turkey bottles can't be far behind ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 02, 2016 02:05 AM (zc3Db)

443 G'night, Blanco Basura ...

Keep cool.

Posted by: Adriane the Macroeconomics Critic ... at August 02, 2016 02:05 AM (AoK0a)

444 373

Well, it certainly seems to be the fervent wish of concern trolls that such be the case. I doubt they are very effective, just annoying. Like those ads for that "Head-On" headache remedy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2016 01:19 AM (f3Uae)

It's never annoying when a respectful long-time site visitor and contributor to this site submits their opinions. However, it is annoying when someone like yourself tries to demean the views of conservatives because they don't want to vote for a clown who turns free press opportunities into embarrassing displays of stupidity that actually costs him votes in November and damages the Republican brand.

Trump comes across like he's never been interviewed before and/or that he's never even thought of the issue he's being asked about. His lack of preparedness should be taken by every registered Republican as a personal insult considering he's the party's nominee. Part of the problem is that is that he's not a conservative and is trying to make pretend that he's a conservative so he's being asked to come up with cogent policy opinions on the spot. Remember his response earlier in the campaign about arresting women that get abortions? Jeez. Of course, providing cogent responses is impossible for Trump to do because he's now trying to answer questions about issues he's probably not thought about for more than five minutes his entire life. I believe that the guy's ego makes him think that he is a master at interviews and doesn't need to prepare. Plus, his campaign lacks the longtime political operatives that would improve his performance on the campaign trail. Whatever the cause, I wish he wasn't so inept but he is.

Nonetheless, I DO UNDERSTAND why many conservatives/Republicans will vote for Trump. I also don't expect my comments to change many (if any) opinions. I'm certainly not happy that I feel that I had to make this decision. But, as I posted earlier, my vote won't matter much due to my state, which Trump will win.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 02:06 AM (rtfSu)

445 Rhomboid -

Nobody said it would be easy, but they did consider it, and more than once.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 02:07 AM (zygxf)

446 What awful things did Trump say about Khan on Sunday?

Posted by: buzzion at August 02, 2016 02:07 AM (bMG0w)

447 Posted by: rhomboid at August 02, 2016 02:00 AM (QDnY+)

We were still planning to invade Japan at that point....hadn't some troops been withheld/pulled out of Europe in preparation?

Posted by: BignJames at August 02, 2016 02:08 AM (NtJ8p)

448 446 What awful things did Trump say about Khan on Sunday?
Posted by: buzzion at August 02, 2016 02:07 AM (bMG0w)

How about you use this new thing called The Google to find out instead of posting the same damn question over and over?

Posted by: Maetenloch at August 02, 2016 02:09 AM (wqVD1)

449 @385...Am aware his service to country and death have not been discussed or slammed by Mr. Trump. However, after reading a comment somewhere I looked into his death and wondered if he broke protocol. If he did, he died needlessly and put his men in harms way.

However,the MSM has stirred the pot and I thought I'd investigate and do a small part of the job they are not doing; due to their full time jobs of trashing Mr. Trump. Sometimes, like with building a wall and vetting middle eastern countries, his whoopie cushions can stir up people into looking into what it is all about. (I am also very sleepy and incoherent, which is why confusing. sorry).

I have no idea, but would think lining up your men at the gate for inspection would tempt a barbarian...which may or may not be why there were possibly (per veteran comment) rules in place so this truck bomb death would not happen. He made captain, so he must have been a good soldier. The reason I wondered, too, was that his father, connected to Clintions (attorney for illegals, possibly had something to do with server (? I dunno?) as well as rumored tie to brotha hood...welp, he supposedly asked his son about a Muslim killing other Muslims. In other words, per his story, he was not too thrilled with his choice of career. PLUS the father has all sorts of papers thinking sharia law is dandy, etc.

Just made me wonder, that's all. But after that bastard at Ft Hood and others, I question why on earth line up your men at the gate? I certainly have no idea, which is why I was asking if anyone served at the time, post January 2004 bombing, and knew if there were protocols.

Gotta get my beauty sleep. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at August 02, 2016 02:10 AM (Wb4xo)

450 At the end of the day, it's simple: Hillary has promised to quintuple Syrian "refugee" admits.

How many more San Bernadinos? How many more Orlando's? How many more raped 5 year olds and sexually assaulted 13 year olds?

How. Many. More?

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee. TRUMP2016, BECAUSE FCUK THEM, THAT'S WHY at August 02, 2016 01:55 AM (d6d5H)

Crime and homocidal maniacs are not the main reason why we should not be interested in importing any more muslims. islam is the main reason. Even without the murder, rape, honor killings and the rest of the savagery, muslims just don't belong here and are nothing but a anti-civilizational force that erodes any society unlucky enough to host any more than a handful of them. muzzies already have 57 states in the islamic conference to go to. They have no need to come here and we certainly have no need to let them, even aside from the bloody actions they bring with them. islam, itself, is just not compatible with any decent civil society.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 02, 2016 02:11 AM (zc3Db)

451 I decided to come back because I don't want this place to turn into another Breitbart, that just slobbers over Trump day in and day out. Because I actually *like* this place. I needed some time away to reflect upon that, and I did. And even though I am "back", it's not like I am a Top 10 commenter again or anything. Just here or there. I decided to engage in this conversation, because I thought Slappy was being treated very unfairly, especially since he is a long time lurker/commenter here, and there was nothing invalid or untruthful about his criticism of Trump.

I realize half the commentariat probably hates me at this point. I don't care anymore. It's the other half that I am here for.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 02:12 AM (E0VQV)

452 Come down off your cross.......

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 02:13 AM (zygxf)

453 How about you use this new thing called The Google to find out instead of posting the same damn question over and over?

Posted by: Maetenloch at August 02, 2016 02:09 AM (wqVD1)

OK.

Goodbye.

Posted by: Adriane the Macroeconomics Critic ... at August 02, 2016 02:13 AM (AoK0a)

454
448 446 What awful things did Trump say about Khan on Sunday?
Posted by: buzzion at August 02, 2016 02:07 AM (bMG0w)

How about you use this new thing called The Google to find out instead of posting the same damn question over and over?

Posted by: Maetenloch at August 02, 2016 02:09 AM (wqVD1)

I'm asking because I figure that is the claimed "disastrous" part of the interview. I am not getting testy. I am not being insutling.

Posted by: buzzion at August 02, 2016 02:15 AM (bMG0w)

455 Palp, I am giving the incredibly condensed version.

There wasn't the slightest willingness to come to blows with the Soviets in Europe at the time, for very good reasons, both political and military.

By Okinawa the grumbling in Congress was substantial (reflecting "war weariness" - a respectable and understandable concept in 1945, which we've seen used disgracefully in the last decade for a country that just throws away its interests and war-dead like a chimp tossing a banana peel).

We more than had our hands full trying to deal with post-war chaos in Europe, and in begging the russkis to advance the date they entered the fray against Japan.

Going to war with the Soviets in 1945 is a concept pristinely divorced from historical reality.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 02, 2016 02:15 AM (QDnY+)

456 Plus, Maet is a bit ornery tonight, and it's not every day that you see an ornery Maetenloch.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 02:15 AM (E0VQV)

457 No, chemjeff, you're still dodging the question. And nobody said anything about "a single life standard."

Mr. Adams, for example, suggested that for him the answer was 1,000 over the course of 10 years. But, he admitted, he could see no way to guarantee that we would not exceed those numbers under the current system and thus concluded that we need to make a change.

Sounded reasonable to me, so I'll sign on to his answer.

But, once again I ask what is your answer? How many dead Americans are open borders worth to you, ChemJeff?

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee. TRUMP2016, BECAUSE FCUK THEM, THAT'S WHY at August 02, 2016 02:15 AM (d6d5H)

458 And I do know what was said during that part of the interview.

Posted by: buzzion at August 02, 2016 02:16 AM (bMG0w)

459 Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 02:13 AM (zygxf)

Are you referring to me? I am not on a cross.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 02:16 AM (E0VQV)

460 How about you use this new thing called The Google to find out instead of posting the same damn question over and over?

Posted by: Maetenloch at August 02, 2016 02:09 AM (wqVD1)

Never use google for anything. Only Duckduckgo or startpage or something else ... anything else.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 02, 2016 02:16 AM (zc3Db)

461 Rhomboid -

And thank the lord it never happened.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 02:16 AM (zygxf)

462 458 And I do know what was said during that part of the interview.
Posted by: buzzion at August 02, 2016 02:16 AM (bMG0w)

OK. Then just state your thoughts on it.

Posted by: Maetenloch at August 02, 2016 02:17 AM (wqVD1)

463 I realize half the commentariat probably hates me at this point. I don't care anymore. It's the other half that I am here for.

Actually you are starting to convince me. I must admit.

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 02:17 AM (qUNWi)

464 Posted by: ChicagoRefugee. TRUMP2016, BECAUSE FCUK THEM, THAT'S WHY at August 02, 2016 02:15 AM (d6d5H)

I'm not answering your stupid leading question because it is a stupid leading question. It is right up there with "when did you stop beating your wife" questions.

However, perhaps you could tell us when you decided to adopt the left's "if it saves just one life" standard for when it is okay to start taking away other people's liberties.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 02:17 AM (E0VQV)

465 Plunging right in without first taking the temperament of the ongoing thread...

Howdy, folks.

Disney, not satisfied with making live-action remakes of their classic animated features, is going full-bore feminitzi with...

...a sequel to Mary Poppins with Meryl Streep as Mary's cousin (ack ack)

...a sequel to one of the most perfect movies of all time, The Rocketeer, with a multi-gal set of Rockettes... I mean, Rocketeers (croak, cringe)

...and...

...a remake of Splash "with a twist" - Channing Tatum as a Merman (weep, gnash, grind teeth)

(If you'd asked me, I would've said someone named Channing was a gal. Must be thinking Carol.)

I don't often call for SMOD, but maybe at least a SMODlet could strike Hollywood? Soon, please?

Posted by: mindful webworker - hoolay for horrywoud at August 02, 2016 02:18 AM (R5V4T)

466 I'm not answering your stupid leading question because it is a stupid leading question. It is right up there with "when did you stop beating your wife" questions.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 02:17 AM (E0VQV)

In islam you can be held criminally liable if you stop beating your wife.

Just to put things in perspective ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 02, 2016 02:18 AM (zc3Db)

467 416

Or perhaps he sincerely means what he wrote.

How about you stop policing for concern trolls?

Posted by: Maetenloch at August 02, 2016 01:42 AM (wqVD1)

Now that I've been vouched for by you, he's onto another reason for my "incorrect" opinion on Trump -- the oft-used "account was hacked" excuse. I'm starting to wonder if Trump really is a Manchurian Candidate created by the Left to destroy the Republican Party, as he's caused so much division among Republicans/conservatives.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 02:19 AM (rtfSu)

468 OK. Then just state your thoughts on it.

Posted by: Maetenloch at August 02, 2016 02:17 AM (wqVD1)

My thoughts are that people don't actually know what was said. Its as Political Hat said. Its whatever the Media tells them to think it is. They don't know what was said, just that "Trump 'attacked' him"

Posted by: buzzion at August 02, 2016 02:19 AM (bMG0w)

469
Let's say your child needs an operation and there are only 2 surgeons.
Which do you choose if neither is as good as you wish they were? One of these surgeons IS going to operate... which do you choose???
I can explain this analogy if necessary

Posted by: MAx at August 02, 2016 02:22 AM (0uuiT)

470 I misremembered Slapweasel as being pithy.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 02, 2016 02:22 AM (VdICR)

471 423---chemjeff ---

What some people - perhaps not you, but others - seem to be arguing, is that those people, Christian or not, who believe their vote represents a moral choice, are *wrong* and should shut up and accept the amoral secular viewpoint of voting as a purely strategic act with no moral relevance at all.
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I agree that voting does represent a moral choice. I think where we (maybe) differ is that I believe that moral choice HAS to encompass strategy. That is, I have to compare probable consequences just as much the character of the candidates, if not more.

Suppose for example that the Dems nominate someone of reasonably decent character ---for a politician, that is.

But I know that person will nominate a leftist to SCOTUS, which will endanger religious liberty and human life. The GOP, OTOH, nominates a blackguard, but one who is likely to nominate someone who will preserve religious freedom and be more pro-life.

My conscience demands that I not only compare the decent guy to the scoundrel, but that I also compare the probable consequences of both presidencies.

(And, BTW, I don't think you or others are wrong not to vote if you honestly think there is no consequential or character difference between the 2 candidates.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 02, 2016 02:22 AM (T/5A0)

472 Jeez -

Following the linkys about Operation Unthinkable, ran across something called 'Plan Totality' - a 1945 plan to drop atomics on about 30 soviet cities in a crippling first strike...... jeez.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 02:22 AM (zygxf)

473 Just guessing here, but I think buzzion was being sarcastic with a point. A very good point, however familiar and unsurprising (no "there" there in ginormous! important! media "controversies").

Posted by: rhomboid at August 02, 2016 02:22 AM (QDnY+)

474 - 444

"...and damages the Republican brand"

Oh thank you for that! I needed a good laugh!

Lolololololololololololol...

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee. TRUMP2016, BECAUSE FCUK THEM, THAT'S WHY at August 02, 2016 02:23 AM (d6d5H)

475 I'm starting to wonder if Trump really is a Manchurian Candidate created by the Left to destroy the Republican Party, as he's caused so much division among Republicans/conservatives.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 02:19 AM (rtfSu)

LOL.

No one could do as much damage to the Republican Party as the Republican leadership has done since 2006, when they first started on their insane, maniacal push to give aid and comfort to invading illegals and to do away with the notion of the nation-state.

The idea that anyone could do as much damage as the Weeping Boner, the Turtle, Ryan, McShame, ... is laughable. Trump has taken positions that the base supports, wholeheartedly, and that the GOP leadership has been deadset against for a decade. It was McConnell who thought his main task was to stomp out the Tea Party that brought the GOP back to life and gave them the biggest House swings in 7 decades.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 02, 2016 02:23 AM (zc3Db)

476 Okay, so I looked back at a few comments... looks like there's a flame skirmish going on.

Since we're all seriousy, I suppose I won't chatter about watching Yellow Submarine tonight.

Anyway, it's tired and I'm late.

Posted by: mindful webworker - hey, bulldog! at August 02, 2016 02:24 AM (R5V4T)

477 --------------
471 I agree that voting does represent a moral choice. I think where we (maybe) differ is that I believe that moral choice HAS to encompass strategy. That is, I have to compare probable consequences just as much the character of the candidates, if not more.

Suppose for example that the Dems nominate someone of reasonably decent character ---for a politician, that is. But I know that person will nominate a leftist to SCOTUS, which will endanger religious liberty and human life. The GOP, OTOH, nominates a blackguard, but one who is likely to nominate someone who will preserve religious freedom and be more pro-life.

My conscience demands that I not only compare the decent guy to the scoundrel, but that I also compare the probable consequences of both presidencies.

-- Perfectly said. I like the word scoundrel, also.

Posted by: Rarity at August 02, 2016 02:28 AM (eiJn/)

478 Palp, trying to think of 30 Soviet cities in 1945 worth nuking. Recall that there were no major industrial cities besides Moscow that had not suffered total or major damage, unless you count the expedient relocation centers of production like Sverdlovsk.

In updates to the SIOP (single integrated operational plan - the nuclear targeting plan) in the late 70s/early 80s people joked about "making the rubble bounce" - a stolen line, so some said "targeting the milk kitchens" (Soviet collective children's feeding centers).

Hard to find enough targets for 30,000 warheads. In 1945 finding worthy targets for 30 would have been a challenge.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 02, 2016 02:30 AM (QDnY+)

479 451 I decided to come back because I don't want this place to turn into another Breitbart, that just slobbers over Trump day in and day out. Because I actually *like* this place. I needed some time away to reflect upon that, and I did. And even though I am "back", it's not like I am a Top 10 commenter again or anything. Just here or there. I decided to engage in this conversation, because I thought Slappy was being treated very unfairly, especially since he is a long time lurker/commenter here, and there was nothing invalid or untruthful about his criticism of Trump.

I realize half the commentariat probably hates me at this point. I don't care anymore. It's the other half that I am here for.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 02:12 AM (E0VQV)

Thanks for the comments. I have taken time away from posting on this site for various schedule-related reasons, though I do visit every single day to read the topics and quickly browse the comments. But I'm not happy about the contingent of Republicans/conservatives here who attack those of us with dissenting views on Trump. If you're going to convince me or someone else to change their opinion and vote for Trump, attacking me and my character by portraying me as a "concern troll" who lies about his views or had his account hacked is certainly not going to work.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 02:31 AM (rtfSu)

480 Interesting to realize that the USSR envisioned a primarily tactical use of nukes in Europe by NATO. A few of their war games had us using nukes to cut their logistical train, blunt their armored strike, amd impede their air operations, but no city-obliterating. Pretty sharp fellers.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 02:32 AM (zygxf)

481 444---Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 02:06 AM (rtfSu)......"Part of the problem is that is that he's not a conservative and is trying to make pretend that he's a conservative so he's being asked to come up with cogent policy opinions on the spot. Remember his response earlier in the campaign about arresting women that get abortions? Jeez. Of course, providing cogent responses is impossible for Trump to do because he's now trying to answer questions about issues he's probably not thought about for more than five minutes his entire life. I believe that the guy's ego makes him think that he is a master at interviews and doesn't need to prepare. Plus, his campaign lacks the longtime political operatives that would improve his performance on the campaign trail. Whatever the cause, I wish he wasn't so inept but he is."
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Bullseye.
I will have to vote for him --- but I despair.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 02, 2016 02:33 AM (T/5A0)

482 Let's say your child needs an operation and there are only 2 surgeons.

Which do you choose if neither is as good as you wish they were? One of these surgeons IS going to operate... which do you choose???

I can explain this analogy if necessary

Posted by: MAx at August 02, 2016 02:22 AM (0uuiT)

Why, hello there!

Posted by: Dr. Feelgood (Libertarian party) at August 02, 2016 02:35 AM (vBeA5)

483 Rhomboid -

Moscow, natch, and, looking at the list, a lot in soviet central asia and the soviet east.

InterestingInterestingly enough, it seems to have been a bluff/disinfo campaign. Something to make Stalin nervous. Not sure how wise that was, but......

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 02:36 AM (zygxf)

484 Mr. Trump, who is your favorite apostle?

-- I couldn't say, they're all great guys, really super guys, great people.

But specifically, do you have a favorite apostle?

-- Specifically...? I don't know, I want to say, Ringo, maybe? Is Ringo in the mix?

No Mr. Trump, Ringo is not in the mix.

-- Are you sure? Because I hear a lot of buzz about Ringo.

Not in the Bible, though.

-- Well then who's talking up Ringo?

I don't know, Mr. Trump. Cher, maybe? Okay, shifting gears...

-- Oh thank God.

Which is your favorite book of the Bible, Mr. Trump?

-- Oh again with this.

So: Favorite book of the Bible?

-- Yes it's a great book, really fantastic, with the words and sentences and all.

But *which* book is your favorite?

-- The Bible. What did I say already?

But there are more than one book in the Bible. Which is your favorite book?

-- Oh my favorite book of the Bible. Now I understand, yes.

So which is it?

-- Uhh.. Well I love them all, with the wine and the waters and the joy and all that good stuff, but I guess, if you had to pin me down, I guess my favorite book is the one where the blonde girl gets the dragons. What's the name of that book?

Um... I think you mean a Game of Thrones.

-- Yes, that's it. That's my favorite book of the Bible. But so bloody!

Not a book of the actual Bible, though.

-- Is it in the Jewish Bible?

No.

-- Well it's something either way, I'll tell you that. Well, I might not know a lot of specific facts about the Bible, but I try to live by the Golden Rule: "Winter is coming."

No... that's Game of Thrones again.

-- No I'm pretty sure it's a verse in the Bible. Like, "And Jacob said, feast well and bundle up, for Winter is Coming."

Nope, still just Game of Thrones.

-- Well I don't know where it comes from but it's an incredible philosophy. Carl Icann lives his life by it. Very rich man. Owns a lot of furs and space heaters.

Posted by: Ace at 06:02 PM August 26, 2015

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 02, 2016 02:36 AM (VdICR)

485 Why, hello there!

Posted by: Dr. Feelgood (Libertarian party) at August 02, 2016 02:35 AM (vBeA5)

Why are all your prescriptiongs "weed and open borders?"

Posted by: buzzion at August 02, 2016 02:36 AM (bMG0w)

486 475

LOL.

No one could do as much damage to the Republican Party as the Republican leadership has done since 2006, when they first started on their insane, maniacal push to give aid and comfort to invading illegals and to do away with the notion of the nation-state.

The idea that anyone could do as much damage as the Weeping Boner, the Turtle, Ryan, McShame, ... is laughable. Trump has taken positions that the base supports, wholeheartedly, and that the GOP leadership has been deadset against for a decade. It was McConnell who thought his main task was to stomp out the Tea Party that brought the GOP back to life and gave them the biggest House swings in 7 decades.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 02, 2016 02:23 AM (zc3Db)

I agree with everything you wrote. But it still doesn't change the fact that Trump may damage the party beyond repair. If the party is going to engage in a suicide pact, how about the goal of said suicide be at least to have a leader with strong conservative bonafides who we all have confidence will push conservative principles? I don't know who that specific leader will be in the future but there are at least 3-4 candidates I would have had more faith in serving in this role than Trump. I actually have no faith in Trump serving in that role. I think his negotiation skills would be used by him to come to agreements favorable to the Left, not the Right, and then attempt to claim victory while the country continues to move further to the Left.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 02:38 AM (rtfSu)

487 My conscience demands that I not only compare the decent guy to the
scoundrel, but that I also compare the probable consequences of both
presidencies.

I don't disagree, necessarily. But just remember that to vote for evil makes one complicit in evil, if you take the moral view of such things.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 02:40 AM (E0VQV)

488 I don't disagree, necessarily. But just remember that to vote for evil makes one complicit in evil, if you take the moral view of such things.

Right?

Hillary is actually looking pretty good right now.

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 02:42 AM (qUNWi)

489 Hillary is actually looking pretty good right now.

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 02:42 AM (qUNWi)
Maybe to you, but certainly not to me.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 02:45 AM (E0VQV)

490 Maybe to you, but certainly not to me.

Why not?

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 02:46 AM (qUNWi)

491 Yep. Why, she's as bad as trump.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 02:48 AM (zygxf)

492 Why not?

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 02:46 AM (qUNWi)
Because I see Hillary as a fundamentally corrupt human being who would use the office to enrich herself while pushing the nation even further down the road to socialism, not to mention the statist SCOTUS judges that she would appoint.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 02:49 AM (E0VQV)

493 I agree with everything you wrote. But it still doesn't change the fact that Trump may damage the party beyond repair. If the party is going to engage in a suicide pact, how about the goal of said suicide be at least to have a leader with strong conservative bonafides who we all have confidence will push conservative principles? I don't know who that specific leader will be in the future but there are at least 3-4 candidates I would have had more faith in serving in this role than Trump. I actually have no faith in Trump serving in that role.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 02:38 AM (rtfSu)

The primary conservative principle is prtecting the integrity of the notion of the nation-state - i.e. a country with borders. The second principle of conservativism is that the government is put in place to serve the interests of the citizenry - NO ONE ELSE. The Founders put that right into the pre-amble of the Constitution for all to see and easily be able to understand,

"secure the Blessings of Liberty TO OURSELVES AND TO OUR POSTERITY".

Trump is the only candidate who made these two essential principles the foundation of his campaign. There is no such thing as conservativism without these principles (since there is no notion of a nation-state with them).

The third in the line of conservative principles is that America is in competition with the world and that we aim to win and not have to apologize for beating the pants off of everyone else.

It is only after these three main principles that one can even begin to discuss the intricacies of Constitutional frameworks and the like. Without the existence and support of the nation-state and the correct idea about what the purpose of a government is with respect to its citizens and what its attitude ought to be with respect to the world there is nothing of import to talk about. That is what separates Trump from all the others who were in the primary and that is why Trump won going away even in the face of opposition from pretty much anyone and everyone who thought they were important.

You cannot have Constitutional conservativism without a country. First things first. Until the basics are back in place nothing else matters.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 02, 2016 02:49 AM (zc3Db)

494 Happy Kuwait Invasion Day! Just 25 years ago.

Not so happy, I know. The tens of thousands of coalition KIAs from the fire pits and the layered defenses and mine fields. The collapse of the Saudi monarchy and resulting global economic chaos due to the stationing of US troops in the Kingdom. The boost to Soviet prestige from the performance of their weapons and their diplomatic support. The uprisings across the Arab world that toppled regimes from Rabat to Amman in anger at US intervention against an Arab state.

Yet, somehow, we made it.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 02, 2016 02:50 AM (QDnY+)

495 Ah,et tu, chemjeff? I am not employing any variant of " a single life standard" and to continue to assert that I am is disingenuous at best, but that's the sort of evasion I've come to expect from you.

No. Foreigners have no inherent liberty or right to immigrate to my country any more than passersby have the right to walk into my house and start taking my stuff.

The Constitution is a document that lays out and codified the rights of American citizens. It is not, and was never intended to be, applied to foreigners, nor to give each and every person on planet earth the right to move here to the detriment of the existing citizenry.

But hey, your favoring of foreigners - no matter the cost to your fellow citizens in disruption, death and disease (entero, anyone?) has been duly noted. As has your overweening self-regard for your own moral superiority.

I think we can can all surmise your answer to my question: "All of them (as long as it doesn't inconvenience me, chemjeff.)"

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee. TRUMP2016, BECAUSE FCUK THEM, THAT'S WHY at August 02, 2016 02:51 AM (d6d5H)

496 491
Yep. Why, she's as bad as trump.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 02:48 AM (zygxf)
Pretty close, I would say. Finally something we can agree on.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 02:51 AM (E0VQV)

497 New Olympic Logo for the Brazil Olympics:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/zttab3f

Posted by: The Olympic Hat at August 02, 2016 02:55 AM (vBeA5)

498 Damn, ThePrimordialOrderedPair, my kingdom for a like button!

I only wish more people would read it.

Nationalism vs global feudalism is the only question that matters this election cycle. So, so many masks have fallen....

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee. TRUMP2016, BECAUSE FCUK THEM, THAT'S WHY at August 02, 2016 02:55 AM (d6d5H)

499 Pretty close.

Does that mean she's almost as bad as trump, or that he's almost as bad as she is?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 02:56 AM (zygxf)

500 Nationalism vs global feudalism is the only question that matters this election cycle. So, so many masks have fallen....

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee. TRUMP2016, BECAUSE FCUK THEM, THAT'S WHY at August 02, 2016 02:55 AM (d6d5H)

Word.

Posted by: Alex Jones at August 02, 2016 02:58 AM (vBeA5)

501 I am not employing any variant of " a single life standard" and to
continue to assert that I am is disingenuous at best, but that's the
sort of evasion I've come to expect from you.

Oh really? Because you ask of me "how many dead Americans is worth it" or some such. The clear implication from you is that NO dead Americans are justified. Sure sounds like the "if it saves just one life" standard to me.

Let me ask a different question of you:

How many dead Americans are open carry laws worth to you, ChicagoRefugee?

Because you've adopted the same rhetoric as the left has, with respect to gun control. You realize that, right?

Maybe the "if it saves just one life" standard is baloney when the left uses it, and maybe it is baloney when the right uses it too.

(And before you ask: Yes, I support gun rights.)

And no, I have never ever ever argued that Muslims or anyone else have any constitutional right to immigrate here. They don't. No one does. So that argument is a complete strawman.

But hey, your favoring of foreigners - no matter the cost to your fellow citizens in disruption, death and disease

Another strawman. Yawn.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:00 AM (fVwH6)

502 Nationalism vs global feudalism is the only question that matters this election cycle.

And yet, other people have different priorities, funny that

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:01 AM (fVwH6)

503 Posted by: ChicagoRefugee. TRUMP2016, BECAUSE FCUK THEM, THAT'S WHY at August 02, 2016 02:55 AM (d6d5H)

Thanks, ChicagoRefugee.

It's quite amazing that the basics escape (to be overly charitable) so many these days. They want to do away with the notion of the nation-state and have no idea what that really means. Some are for a delusional global government (which we know would be so incredibly awful that it's hard to even put into words) while others seem to think that we'll just happily pick up some new structure along the way. The libertarians (many, not all, of them) are into this fantasy notion of disembodied governments that exist outside of any local citizenry while others probably haven't even bothered to give any thought to what they are actually supporting.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 02, 2016 03:02 AM (zc3Db)

504 And yet, other people have different priorities, funny that

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:01 AM (fVwH6)

In the American Constitutional Republic the existence of the nation-state - the notion of national sovereignty - is the first priority.

Do you really not understand this? Seriously.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 02, 2016 03:05 AM (zc3Db)

505 With regard to Captain Khan,

Another example of "The Peaceful" refusin to reform "their" religion. His Dad had a Singular Platform from which to demand reformation an modernization of "The Religion of Peace". He willingly chose not too. Fuck him, may he burn. After the sacrifice his son made, the ol' man deserves to burn for wastin that chance. Imho.

The how's an why's of Captain Khan's death mean nothing. Havin been there, it was FUBAR from the start. Don't waste time parsin the particulars. It's pointless.

How the CONCEPT/MEMORY is utilized to seduce an convince in todays world......that's the point. Captain Khan would've NEVER been in Iraq if not for militant Islam! Yet, at every single dreadful oppertunity the Peaceful FAIL to condemn those responsible and Demand Change.

A few do, at risk to their own lives. Which says it all.....When a call for change is life threatening.....

Callin it a night. Be well Horde oh Plenty. Y'all take care.

Posted by: Hillbillyking at August 02, 2016 03:07 AM (a+Olp)

506 Does that mean she's almost as bad as trump, or that he's almost as bad as she is?

In my mind it's impossible to tell. They both are derived from the same seeds of corruption. This is evidenced, at least as far as I see it, as how they have conducted themselves over the years. BOTH of them walk all over people standing in their way in order to get what they want, which in his case is fame and popularity and money, and in her case is power and money. They will pander to the worst people if they think it will help their cause - Trump to the white racists and conspiracy theory loons, Hillary to the black racists and conspiracy theory loons. Their natural political tendencies are both to leftist policies, they both subscribe to the "strongman" theory of governance to a certain extent, they both want to curtail our liberties to different degrees, they both want to put our military into dangerous unwinnable situations, they would both appoint a raft of statists to SCOTUS, just ones who would shred different parts of the Constitution, neither one would do anything about the debt or deficits - I mean really, how do you find a sliver of daylight between these two?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:10 AM (fVwH6)

507 In the American Constitutional Republic the existence of the
nation-state - the notion of national sovereignty - is the first
priority.

The existence of the nation state is not in doubt. That's a little silly, actually.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:12 AM (fVwH6)

508 The father of Khan has a history and reputation, but a lot of it seem outrageous. I am going to give it the 48 hour rule. Or 72 hour rule. What hour is it? I'll look at it tomorrow maybe.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 02, 2016 03:13 AM (VdICR)

509 In the American Constitutional Republic the existence of the
nation-state - the notion of national sovereignty - is the first
priority.

The existence of the nation state is not in doubt. That's a little silly, actually.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:12 AM (fVwH6)

O Rly?

Posted by: The Stonecutters at August 02, 2016 03:13 AM (vBeA5)

510 Chemjeff, dude, you need reading lessons or something. From my post @457:

Mr. Adams, for example, suggested that for him the answer was 1,000 over the course of 10 years. But, he admitted, he could see no way to guarantee that we would not exceed those numbers under the current system and thus concluded that we need to make a change.

Sounded reasonable to me, so I'll sign on to his answer.

^^^^^Is NOT a single life standard. Because sometimes you have to balance risk and reward. I just think you've shown that you'll put your thumb on the scale to underweight the risk to people who aren't chamber - purportedly your fellow citizen - in pursuit of the reward of your own ideological purity and moral vanity.

And no, why the eff would I answer your freaking question when you've been dodging mine for literally months?

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee. TRUMP2016, BECAUSE FCUK THEM, THAT'S WHY at August 02, 2016 03:13 AM (d6d5H)

511 O Rly?

Posted by: The Stonecutters at August 02, 2016 03:13 AM (vBeA5)
Well for Turkey, maybe it is in doubt. But not for the US.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:14 AM (fVwH6)

512 487
I don't disagree, necessarily. But just remember that to vote for evil makes one complicit in evil, if you take the moral view of such things.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 02:40 AM
--------------------------------
Sorry. I am not voting for evil. I am voting to try to prevent evil.

Hillary Clinton and Gary Johnson affirmatively support the dismemberment of viable, 3rd trimester babies. They condone the selling of the body parts.
They believe that the right to life depends on whether someone wants you or not, which makes it no right at all for any one of us.
I know what I'm getting with those two.

I also know that Trump is really pro-abortion. But I have reasonable hope that he may appoint justices that will allow states to place some limits on the barbarism.
To Trump abortion is no big deal. To Hillary, it's a sacrament.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 02, 2016 03:16 AM (T/5A0)

513 Okay, if that is your standard, how much of your liberty are you willing to give up if it means just saving one life?
---
i'm not trying to enter this country, illegally or otherwise

what does my lawful behavior have to do with the illegals you seek to shield from compliance?

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 02, 2016 03:16 AM (i6Yqt)

514 ChicagoRefugee, wait, so you agree literally with Adams' tongue-in-cheek response?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:17 AM (fVwH6)

515 CJ -

I dunno. Body-counts might be a good place to start in terms of evaluating comparative awfulness.

Or, we could look at the likely effects of one or the other attaining national power, and attempt an evaluation on that basis.

If, as you suggest, it is not possible for you to discern a sliver of daylight between the two, then I see no point in engaging on rjis topic.

Tell me what you've been up to these days. We'll keep it friendly and sociable, as In the days before this nation started dress rehearsals for the next civil war.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 03:17 AM (zygxf)

516 The existence of the nation state is not in doubt.

It certainly is. And it is from policies such as those you advocate. You cannot have a country without borders. You cannot have the notion of a citizenry if you think that non-citizens have all the same rights as citizens on this territory. If you aren't willing to kick out illegals then you have no respect for the citizenry or for the notion of citizenship, itself. i.r. you don't think much of the notion of the nation-state.

That's a little silly, actually.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:12 AM (fVwH6)

Yeah ... about what I expected.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 02, 2016 03:19 AM (zc3Db)

517 I mean really, how do you find a sliver of daylight between these two?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:10 AM (fVwH6) fnord (fVwH6)

I can actually do that for you.

Arkansas coke deals and organized crime connections including at least cover-ups of murder, Travelgate, FBI files, Bimbogate, selling State Department decisions (and in the process stealing Haitian relief money and propping up dictators and warlords)...

Note I left several things out because, for example, I don't actually know that she was involved with the Chinese satellite deals though Bill and Al certainly were.

Trump is also a pathological liar, according to many associates, but his lies tend to be self-aggrandizement and manipulating bureaucratic and business "partners." I haven't seen any evidence that he's been covering up rapes or stealing relief money (though most of his claims to charitable donations come up empty, again, that's poor character, but not as poor as Hillary "hundreds of millions in bribes" Clinton).

All that being said, I detest the Democrat-style "no dissent" bullshit and I understand perfectly the view that this whole election is a gigantic shit-show.

If I could get off this planet, I'd take the chance, even though it might not be better out there.

I very much fear that we are "reverting to the norm."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 02, 2016 03:23 AM (wB8Tg)

518 i'm not trying to enter this country, illegally or otherwise

what does my lawful behavior have to do with the illegals you seek to shield from compliance?

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 02, 2016 03:16 AM (i6Yqt)
Okay let's take one example. Most immigration restrictionists support mandatory use of E-Verify. This is a burden placed on *citizens* who run businesses to have to prove to the government that the people that they are hiring aren't illegals. Whose liberty is being constrained in this case? Why should employers be put in this position, as essentially extensions of border control officers?
Here is another one. After 9/11, what was the government's response to try to stop another terrorist attack? To impose huge burdens on us, lawful citizens, whenever we try to fly on an airplane. Whose liberty is being constrained in this case? Government will just follow the same template in order to try to "get serious" about illegals.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:23 AM (fVwH6)

519 It certainly is.

No it isn't.

And it is from policies such as those you advocate.

I doubt you could accurately state my positions.

You cannot have a country without borders.

I agree. I don't support abolishing national borders.

You cannot have the notion
of a citizenry if you think that non-citizens have all the same rights
as citizens on this territory.

I don't think non-citizens have "all the same rights" as citizens.

HOWEVER, I do believe all human beings, both citizens and non-citizens, have inalienable rights. Do you agree?

If you aren't willing to kick out
illegals

I am willing to kick out illegals, in a manner that does not diminish my own liberties or those of other citizens. Are you?

then you have no respect for the citizenry or for the notion of
citizenship, itself. i.r. you don't think much of the notion of the
nation-state.

I have more respect for the citizenry than you do, that is for sure. Citizenship without liberty is not worth having.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:29 AM (fVwH6)

520 493

The primary conservative principle is prtecting the integrity of the notion of the nation-state - i.e. a country with borders. The second principle of conservativism is that the government is put in place to serve the interests of the citizenry - NO ONE ELSE. The Founders put that right into the pre-amble of the Constitution for all to see and easily be able to understand,

"secure the Blessings of Liberty TO OURSELVES AND TO OUR POSTERITY".

Trump is the only candidate who made these two essential principles the foundation of his campaign. There is no such thing as conservativism without these principles (since there is no notion of a nation-state with them).

The third in the line of conservative principles is that America is in competition with the world and that we aim to win and not have to apologize for beating the pants off of everyone else.

It is only after these three main principles that one can even begin to discuss the intricacies of Constitutional frameworks and the like. Without the existence and support of the nation-state and the correct idea about what the purpose of a government is with respect to its citizens and what its attitude ought to be with respect to the world there is nothing of import to talk about. That is what separates Trump from all the others who were in the primary and that is why Trump won going away even in the face of opposition from pretty much anyone and everyone who thought they were important.

You cannot have Constitutional conservativism without a country. First things first. Until the basics are back in place nothing else matters.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 02, 2016 02:49 AM (zc3Db)

I don't disagree with your comments, but I don't agree that Trump sincerely supports those principles. There certainly isn't much evidence of his support for them based on his activities prior to running for President last year. He states them and gives them lip service because he knows that it appeals to conservatives. It was a smart strategy to win the nomination but I don't believe his support for these principles is strong or sincere nor will he govern in a manner that promotes these principles.

Trump's all about "the art of the deal" so he'll negotiate away conservative principles just so he can come to agreements with Democrats and moderate Republicans (which might as well be Democrats). That's fine with checking items off a list but not when he'll be inevitably negotiating away principles conservatives like myself value significantly.

I'm just basing my views of the man on my analysis of him and his long track record in public life as a businessman. I am certainly not convinced of his sincerity enough to ignore some of his buffoonery, his off-the-wall comments, and his inability to go an entire speech or interview without saying something inappropriate or even stupid. I can only imagine how many people were ready to vote for him (or at least against Hillary) who have decided to sit out the election because of the myriad of dumb or inappropriate things he's said or done since securing the nomination. The mainstream media will always find or manufacture their stories and controversies that hurt Republican candidates but does Trump and the people running his campaign have to make it so easy for them?

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 03:29 AM (rtfSu)

521 506---- "I mean really, how do you find a sliver of daylight between these two?"
Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:10 AM
---------------------------
I think there are some differences even in vitro, but once again, you are forgetting to look at the specimens in vivo.

Hillary will do any damn thing she wants to do with the full support of her party and only minimal opposition from the GOP. More important, the media will cover her butt, no matter how corrupt and tyrannical she gets.

Trump will face opposition from the media, the Dems, and the GOP.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 02, 2016 03:29 AM (T/5A0)

522 I also left out things that aren't well-documented, like Benghazi and pre-Benghazi arms deals with terror groups, and the idea that secure material was deliberately left in Benghazi to be collected by enemies in exchange for payment (fronted by a purported FBI leaker but not confirmed).

Oh, and I didn't specify that the FBI files are probably why they've been immune to prosecution since the late 90s.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 02, 2016 03:29 AM (wB8Tg)

523 Why is it EVERY country in the world has a right to enforce it's borders but us?

Chemjeff?

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 03:31 AM (qUNWi)

524 523 Why is it EVERY country in the world has a right to enforce it's borders but us?
Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 03:31 AM (qUNWi)
--------------------
To be fair, Israel doesn't have the right either!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 02, 2016 03:34 AM (T/5A0)

525
What a shame.

This could have been an epic, "in Cancun" ONT...

...but turned into a shoulda been [No Trump Shiite] night instead...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at August 02, 2016 03:37 AM (4DCSq)

526 523 Why is it EVERY country in the world has a right to enforce it's borders but us?

Chemjeff?

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 03:31 AM (qUNWi)

Of course, we have a right to enforce our borders and it's an issue that should be at the top of our country's "Things to Do" list, but there's no way we're going to build a wall if Trump becomes President. Trump knows that but he jumped on the issue because he knew it would convince many Republicans/conservatives to support him.

That's at the heart of my problems with the guy's candidacy. I do NOT think he believes most of what he's saying. With no coherent philosophy or game plan in office, he'll drift aimlessly, sell out conservative principles repeatedly by making deals with the Left, and then leave office after four years probably having further destroyed conservatism where it won't be considered a viable alternative at the national level for a generation or two.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 03:37 AM (rtfSu)

527
I dunno. Body-counts might be a good place to start in terms of evaluating comparative awfulness.

I honestly blame Obama much more than Hillary for Benghazi. He was the commander in chief, not her. IMO when the embassy is under attack, it's no longer a State Department matter, but a military matter. It was HIS job to rescue those poor men and he didn't do it because he had to fly to a fundraiser.

Hillary deserves blame for not providing the needed security in the first place, and for scapegoating the poor filmmaker and lying to the grieving parents right to their faces. If Trump had been in Hillary's shoes, I don't think he would have been such a terrible liar right to their faces. But I also don't think he is beneath throwing a scapegoat under the bus if it thinks it will help him.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:38 AM (fVwH6)

528 Cancun: http://bit.ly/2au4jk9

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 02, 2016 03:38 AM (wB8Tg)

529 Why is it EVERY country in the world has a right to enforce it's borders but us?

We do have a right to enforce our borders. I never said otherwise.

Because I say "I don't think illegals should be treated like dirt", some of you think that this means I favor completely open borders.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:39 AM (fVwH6)

530 That's at the heart of my problems with the guy's candidacy. I do NOT think he believes most of what he's saying. With no coherent philosophy or game plan in office, he'll drift aimlessly, sell out conservative principles repeatedly by making deals with the Left, and then leave office after four years probably having further destroyed conservatism where it won't be considered a viable alternative at the national level for a generation or two.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 03:37 AM (rtfSu)

So no different from 2008 and 2012 then.

Posted by: buzzion at August 02, 2016 03:39 AM (bMG0w)

531 CJ -

Interesting take, i'll give you that.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 03:40 AM (zygxf)

532 My biggest Trump problem is that I don't see him changing his tactics post-primary when the $2 billion the MFM spent keeping him ahead will be matched pushing him back.

Especially if Bill, who is almost on life support now, dies just before the election.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 02, 2016 03:42 AM (wB8Tg)

533 That's at the heart of my problems with the guy's candidacy.

What's your problem with Hillary's candidacy? Anything?

Would you like me to vote for Hillary?

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 03:42 AM (qUNWi)

534 530

So no different from 2008 and 2012 then.

Posted by: buzzion at August 02, 2016 03:39 AM (bMG0w)

Not significantly, though I had slightly more faith in McCain and Romney pushing conservative policies than I do Trump. At least McCain and Romney had some record (albeit mixed) of having supported and promoted some conservative principles. Trump, not so much.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 03:44 AM (rtfSu)

535 I mean, the Democrats have essentially successfully whitewashed the fact that they were caught rigging the primary.

There should be ads on that shit, ya know?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 02, 2016 03:45 AM (wB8Tg)

536 Because I say "I don't think illegals should be treated like dirt", some of you think that this means I favor completely open borders.

So I should vote for Hillary?

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 03:45 AM (qUNWi)

537 So I should vote for Hillary?

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 03:45 AM (qUNWi)
I would urge you not to vote for Hillary, no.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:46 AM (fVwH6)

538 I would urge you not to vote for Hillary, no.

Well then...what is your point?

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 03:47 AM (qUNWi)

539 Well then...what is your point?

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 03:47 AM (qUNWi)
The point is to discuss ideas and policies that are larger than just two individual candidates running for office.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:48 AM (fVwH6)

540 And with that I have to go to bed.
Good night all.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:49 AM (fVwH6)

541 The point is to discuss ideas and policies that are larger than just two individual candidates running for office.

That's a meaningless statement.

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 03:51 AM (qUNWi)

542 Hey! goodnight my main man!

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 03:52 AM (qUNWi)

543 533 That's at the heart of my problems with the guy's candidacy.

What's your problem with Hillary's candidacy? Anything?

Would you like me to vote for Hillary?

Posted by: eleven at August 02, 2016 03:42 AM (qUNWi)

Everything is wrong with Hillary's candidacy. There has never been a party nominee for President as corrupt as her. She's also a terrible person. But I'm not voting for her either. She's also not going around labeled as a Republican or Conservative, like Trump is. She'll be terrible but I'm not sure how much worse she'll be than him over the long term, especially if the GOP has control of at least the House or Senate. She also won't be damaging Republicanism or Conservatism like Trump will. She'll only help the conservative cause over the long term, though the short-term damage (5-10 years) will be bad. Believe me, either way we're screwed.

Posted by: Slappy at August 02, 2016 03:54 AM (rtfSu)

544
482 Taking you in earnest, the "Libertarian" surgeon is never gonna make it to the operating table and you know it without a shadow of a doubt.
Is it really a "moral choice" to choose an alternative which has absolutely no chance of succeeding???
Remember we're not talking about something as trivial as the protection of the Constitution and the preservation of the Republic, we're talking about the survival of your child.
It is immoral to leave the care of your child in any less than the best hands you can muster, whatever the situation and however bad those options may be. Sez me.
Very glad for the civility-

Posted by: MAx at August 02, 2016 03:55 AM (0uuiT)

545
LAPD has it's list of its Most Wanted online.
Check it for yourself and see if you can tease out any patterns. And see if Trump was telling the truth.

Posted by: MAx at August 02, 2016 03:56 AM (0uuiT)

546 The one favorable I can find for Trump is he doesn't seem to have much interest in actually being President, just in having won the title.

There was a story going around a while back in which a potential VP pick was told during the interview process that he'd have full responsibility behind the scenes for foreign and domestic policy. That was a big WTF for me. A VP might be picked for specific experience to supplement a President's deficiencies but this sounds like the Veep would be President in nearly all regards. (Some liked to claim this was the deal with Bush and Cheney.) Trump is no spring chicken and would possibly not bother seeking a second term after he's gotten the ultimate egoboo. So a Trump win would effectively be the first of a potential three terms for Pence.

That is the most positive outcome I can imagine at this point.

Posted by: Epobirs at August 02, 2016 03:57 AM (IdCqF)

547
If my child is starving and to save him I must choose between two poisons
I CHOOSE THE LEAST POISONOUS ONE.
I'd rather drink water from a hoofprint than bleach... doesn't mean I'd like to drink water from a hoofprint.

Posted by: MAx at August 02, 2016 03:59 AM (0uuiT)

548
487 By that logic you must not have any friends, since noone is completely virtuous and by having a friendly relathionship with evil you're implicitly endorsing it.
Why can we accept failures and weaknesses in our friends and family but not our presidential candidates?

Posted by: MAx at August 02, 2016 04:03 AM (0uuiT)

549
528 Cancun: http://bit.ly/2au4jk9

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 02, 2016 03:38 AM (wB8Tg)

That's more like it!

Posted by: Spun and Murky at August 02, 2016 04:05 AM (4DCSq)

550 If Pence gets *credit* for good stuff during a first term and Trump stands down, you could have a three-termer for him.

I think a single term followed by a Dem is more likely, though if Trump appoints two SC justices from his list (after extensive filibusters), *and* the legislature takes steps to limit executive power, you might have a "normal" cycle after that.

Except that Europe and what remains of the Middle East will probably be on fire by then, but that's kind of the same under any scenario.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 02, 2016 04:06 AM (wB8Tg)

551 The point is to discuss ideas and policies that are larger than just two individual candidates running for office.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 02, 2016 03:48 AM (fVwH6)

Did he just call everyone here stupid ?

Posted by: dDan at August 02, 2016 04:07 AM (hwYmz)

552 That's more like it!

Posted by: Spun and Murky at August 02, 2016 04:05 AM (4DCSq) fnord (4DCSq)

Even though it's filtered/edited, I like the blue in this one:

http://bit.ly/2aJ1NY0

I really don't like the heat, though. I'd like an island paradise in a temperate zone.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 02, 2016 04:08 AM (wB8Tg)

553
Haha blog to myself now I can really have it the way I like it.
Yes yes things are really lookin' up for ol' MAxie-boy

Posted by: MAx at August 02, 2016 04:08 AM (0uuiT)

554 So yesterday I drove to job 43 miles away, at 7:30 get call from a boss asking where I was, I told him. He asked "Did I forget to call Friday?" and told him yes. He said I did right thing but needed to go to close job right away. Made the trip home shorter but 80 miles driving and $8.50 in tolls didn't help.
So I'll be at close job rest of the week.
Good morning horde

Posted by: Skip at August 02, 2016 04:19 AM (bksJQ)

555
Even though it's filtered/edited, I like the blue in this one:

That's purty for sure. And I always thought Destin, FL was about as beautiful as a beach town could be...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at August 02, 2016 04:19 AM (4DCSq)

556 That's purty for sure. And I always thought Destin, FL was about as beautiful as a beach town could be...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at August 02, 2016 04:19 AM (4DCSq) fnord (4DCSq)

Pretty pictures. Kind of green. Lots of sharks.

This isn't my picture, but I've seen one of these (much bigger one) in the same place - Gonzaga Bay:

http://bit.ly/2aJzBUt

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 02, 2016 04:32 AM (wB8Tg)

557 Checkin' the hash....

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 04:41 AM (EzgxV)

558 557
Checkin' the hash....

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 04:41 AM (EzgxV)

That's weird....I had expected it to change.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 04:43 AM (EzgxV)

559 Cooth -

Not a lot of guys out there let you sample.....

Kinda harsh...... *coughs*

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 04:43 AM (zygxf)

560
559
Cooth -

Not a lot of guys out there let you sample.....

Kinda harsh...... *coughs*

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 04:43 AM (zygxf)

*holds*

*passes back*

Posted by: cthulhu at August 02, 2016 04:49 AM (EzgxV)

561 Ha.... it's been a while.....

Bubba was in the WH, OJ was driving in a Bronco, and I saw 'The Great Cornholio' on bootleg cable.....

Bright college days.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at August 02, 2016 04:51 AM (zygxf)

562 Reading Company Commander by Col Charles B MacDonald the Life story and pictures tie together nicely.

Posted by: Skip at August 02, 2016 05:14 AM (bksJQ)

563 Good Morning Everyone.

Good Morning Skip. Have you read Panzer Commander by Hans Von Luck? I would also recommend, When the Odds were even by Keith Bonn.

Bot very good books.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 02, 2016 05:17 AM (WVsWD)

564 h

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 02, 2016 05:18 AM (WVsWD)

565 Dammit. I picked the wrong day to have to study for my exam. Nekkid Trump woman, Hillary with her Flat Earth Theory, SMOD won't even be in our neighborhood until 2135 (teh bastard), Diablo Cake Girl drops by to remind us how unlucky we are, the Clinton war machine takes seven points in ground in the latest Clinton NBC poll, and don't eat Mexican cinnamon!

Did I miss anything else??

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 02, 2016 05:24 AM (pUDQf)

566 No, but while always had a interest in WWII it isn't my foremost, but have been getting more interested and like the personal stories.

Posted by: Skip at August 02, 2016 05:25 AM (bksJQ)

567 So, if Julian Assange provides proof that Hillary armed ISIS, I would imagine that's akin to Obama giving guns to the Mexican cartels to kill Border Patrol Agents, right? Just checking.

Outcome: Presidential Medal of Super Awesome Leading From Behind for the FAB.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 02, 2016 05:27 AM (pUDQf)

568 Oh well got 30 minutes to get lunch together and get to work.
It's only Tuesday isn't it?

Posted by: Skip at August 02, 2016 05:29 AM (bksJQ)

569 Panzer Commander would probably interest you the then. It's Von Luck's story through out the war.

The other book not so much. It more dispels the myth of the superior German fighting man image.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 02, 2016 05:29 AM (WVsWD)

570 0568
Oh well got 30 minutes to get lunch together and get to work.

It's only Tuesday isn't it?

Posted by: Skip

Ha, silly Daywalker... I'm eating lunch right now. Cold Wendy's single, no mayo FTW.

Good morning all, now returning to lurker status.

Damn hamsters...

Posted by: Gmac- All politics in this country now is just dress rehearsal for civil war. at August 02, 2016 05:36 AM (4pjhs)

571 569
Panzer Commander would probably interest you the then. It's Von Luck's story through out the war.

The other book not so much. It more dispels the myth of the superior German fighting man image.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 02, 2016 05:29 AM (WVsWD)

I've always thought the same. They were the original shock and awe campaign, built up as a persona, rather than evidence. Speed and massive numbers brought to bear. Of course, back then, people thought rolling over the Frenchies in record time was something impressive.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 02, 2016 05:36 AM (pUDQf)

572 I just watched The Bad Seed.

Holy shit! That has to be one of the best endings, ever. LOL.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 02, 2016 05:51 AM (zc3Db)

573 Yeah, well Shack and Awe and Blitzkreig are pretty much the same thing. Germans rolled over France in 44 days and dismantled not only the French will to fight but their vaunted military machine in the process.

The problems with the French are too numerous to list here but their command structure full of old guardsmen refighting WWI was probably the most damning.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 02, 2016 05:56 AM (WVsWD)

574 Hopefully Vic will have a link to this newest nbc/cnn poll. I want to see the sampling. My guess it's top heavy with donktards.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at August 02, 2016 05:58 AM (WVsWD)

575 Good Morning Morons. Today is Tuesday, August 02, 2016. On this day in 1923 Vice President Calvin Coolidge became President after the death of Warren G. Harding. He was elected on his own in 1924. Silent Cal he was called and he was the best President we have had in the modern era. He reduced taxes and government and was probably the last President to ever do so. And as a result the nation's economy boomed. Reagan reduced taxes and tried to reduce government but was blocked by Democrats in congress and some of his own RINO Party. And just about everything he did was undone by the Democrats in congress and Bush. Then the serial rapist and cigar diddler took office and we have never been the same since.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 02, 2016 05:59 AM (mpXpK)

576 Is SMOD finally coming?

http://tinyurl.com/graclja

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 02, 2016 05:59 AM (mpXpK)

577 Pollsters are urging Trump to put Ivanka on the speech circuit. They are saying her speech at the Republican convention went off the charts. She is a much better speaker than Scankles and I don't have to even comment on the "looks" department. But I guess I just did. She will be "on the record" with Greta tonight.

http://tinyurl.com/hkuursr

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 02, 2016 06:00 AM (mpXpK)

578 Fox prints an open letter to Kahn from a gulf war vet who schools him on muzzie terrorism.

http://tinyurl.com/h927usm

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 02, 2016 06:00 AM (mpXpK)

579 Another Federal judge, this one appointed by RINO Bush - I, has halted a photo ID law despite the Supreme Court ruling in favor of these laws. Where is that much vaunted Stare Decisis that all the Democrats seem to worship when real judges attempt to run back liberal activist rulings? And why does this happen just before every election?

http://tinyurl.com/zo92yp4

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 02, 2016 06:00 AM (mpXpK)

580 Huge luxury tower in SF is sinking and shifting into the soil. It appears that construction of a nearby transit center by the city is causing the problem. Of course the city is denying this and expect mega legal action here because there is a LOT of money at stake.

http://tinyurl.com/hamzw2e

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 02, 2016 06:00 AM (mpXpK)

581 The corrupt EPA says it can not answer questions about the goldmine spill that polluted the Colorado River because "a criminal investigation" is underway. Oh, how convenient. I'm sure someone will be held accountable and finally be charged in the criminal Obama empire <sarc>.

http://tinyurl.com/zwpycsv