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Monday Moron Medical Monitoring, Session 3

Update: Tubal informs me that not all cinnamon is healthy -- most cinnamon sold is Saigon/Chinese/Cassia cinnamon, which has high levels of something called coumarin, which is potentially dangerous, especially when taken every day as a supplement.

This is all news to me, so I am really just conveying what a few glib minutes of internet searching has disclosed. Apparently Ceylon cinnamon, aka "True cinnamon" or "Cinnamon Verum," is much, much lower in this potentially dangerous component chemical.

I really don't trust the herb/supplement industry very much. I just ordered Ceylon cinnamon, but I have a strong suspicion that's mostly going to be the cheaper Saigon/Chinese/Cassia cinnamon too, no matter what it says on the label.

For the moment, I'm stopping taking cinnamon until I can talk to a doctor or nutritionist.

A quick grab-bag of stuff:

First of all, a major Warning: No one who has diabetes type one should try any kind of low carb diet, and no one with diabetes type two should try it except under strict supervision by a doctor.

People with diabetes type one can't produce insulin and clear glucose out of their system. Apparently if they start producing ketones on top of the glucose already in their blood, they will go into a syndrome called ketoacidosis, which is potentially fatal.

People with diabetes type two are also at risk. They can try this, but only if a doctor is stepping them through it and keeping an eye on their system.

The Keto Flu. Laura W mentioned this to me over the weekend. Coincidentally, I had just heard about it from another source the same day she mentioned it.

When I first went into ketosis, I felt shot out of a canon in terms of energy. But a few days later that subsided and I felt meh.

I think that's some kind of variation of the keto flu. When you start producing ketones, your body will start shedding water. You can become very dehydrated and wind up feeling nauseous and sick, or, I guess, you can become partially hydrated and just not feel energetic like you did when you first went into ketosis.

The cure is to drink lots of water. It should be pointed out that while people look online for miracle supplements, they tend to ignore the one dietary supplement with the most impact on their health -- water.

Another consideration is that when you switch to a healthy diet, you are, accidentally, suddenly reducing your salt consumption, because most crap food is loaded with sugar and salt to give it some kind of palatability. Reducing salt is generally good, but the body needs some salt, too. It helps it retain water -- if it loses too much salt, it starts releasing water (in urine) to get to the salt % in the tissues it wants.

So if you're had that initial jolt of energy, only to lose it, you may just need to start drinking more water, and adding a little bit of the salt you might have inadvertently cut out of your diet.

One way to get those electrolytes and salts you might be shedding is by drinking the so-called "superfood" that became a craze a couple of years ago -- bone broth. When you simmer bones in water for hours and hours, it leeches the protein out of the marrow and bone, but also the minerals like potassium and magnesium and calcium and sodium you need to retain fluids.

I gotta tell you, I just had this this weekend and, taste-wise, it's awesome. There's something that just tastes right about it, like chicken soup just tastes right. It's an ancient thing -- humans were boiling bones forever -- and just seems to be a good re-connection with our past.

I can't guarantee it did the trick of restoring water to my body, but I almost don't care, because it's just generally good even if it has no additional health-related effects. Give it a try. (If you don't feel like making it yourself (though I'm told it's easy as hell to make, and cheap too), some Whole Foods type restaurants are selling it.)

The Most Important Exercise-- Sleep. I can't guarantee the bone broth did the trick for me yesterday, because I had another variable change as well, and I don't know what fraction of the credit to assign to either of them.

But Saturday night I went to bed early and got nine and half hours of sleep, of which my Jawbone tracker said five hours were of the deep, highly-restorative kind. (Lately I've been getting just two and a half or three hours of deep sleep -- and feeling like hell.)

Yesterday, Sunday, I had sustained energy all day long. I lifted (squats only -- shoulder is still on the mend), got in 17,000 steps, did about two weeks of housework that needed doing, shopped, etc.

I was also on a 24 hour fast and did the exercise fasted. Felt fine. (The reason I was on a 24 hour fast was sort of by accident -- when I realized I'd be going to bed early Saturday night, I just didn't bother to have my second meal, so I entered Sunday having not eaten since 3:15 pm Saturday afternoon.)

If you're not exercising, then let sleep be your physical exercise. A lot of good things happen in sleep -- your body pumps out human growth hormone (which retards aging), you repair and build muscle, etc.

If you are exercising, you actually need sleep all the more, because your body has additional repairs it has to make from the (useful) strain you put on your body while awake.

On Trackers: Someone asked about fitness trackers. For beginners, I'd strongly recommend the Jawbone Up 2. Here's why:

1. It's currently very cheap. On Amazon, you can get one for $37.50. That's like three X-rated DVDs. And I don't mean the shit ones, I mean the ones with high production values and characters with names and stuff.

By the way, these things tend to get damaged or get lost (sometimes they fall off your wrist, etc.), so it's kind of nice to have a cheap one. Like cheap sunglasses, it's nice that you can lose them and just go, "Meh. Who cares."

2. The Jawbone tracks your sleep very well. What gets measured gets improved -- and if you have a daily goal of a certain amount of sleep, it's helpful to have a record of it. The Jawbone is good at nagging you to do stuff like get in your steps.

3. Certain trackers measure your heartrate. The Jawbone 3 does, but some say it's not very accurate, and you have to check your phone to see your heartrate, because the device has no display.

The Fitbit Charge HR shows you your heartrate in real time, but that device is like $110.

I just don't think that a beginner needs to know his continuous heartrate. If you get big into an exercise kick, you may want to know when you hit your peak cardio heartrate and so forth.

But I just don't see beginners getting much actionable information out of this (fairly expensive) feature. I always check mine (I have both the Jawbone UP 2 and the Charge HR), and it's kind of interesting to know how long I was in cardio or peak heartrate, but I'm not really sure what I can do with that information. When your heart is pounding, you kind of have a sense of it's really pounding or just elevated.

Unless you're an athlete or getting to be close to an athlete, I don't know if that level of detail about your heartrate is really necessary.

So for me, to keep costs low, I'd just get the cheap Jawbone 2. It nudges you into getting a good night's sleep, and it pushes you into walking. And walking is a good exercise, and it's especially a good exercise for getting into basic shape to do other exercises. It's scalable -- you can go as slow as necessary at first, and then, as you get into shape, pursue a much more physically demanding race-walk gait -- and puts little strain on the joints even as it starts to toughen them up and prepare them for more rigorous exertions.

I'll do a post on walking some other time, but, as with any exercise err on the side of caution in the early going. Yes, you could probably push yourself into a 40 minute hard walk the first time, but if that then results in you being limpy and gimpy for two weeks and not walking, you haven't really advanced the ball any.

Oh yeah: and stretch. A lot.

By the way, I think the product is cheap because it's end-of-cycle and they might have some new replacement coming out. But I don't really know why a beginner would need much more than what's here.

Don't blame me if you buy it and then in two weeks they have some new model announced. To be honest, I'm not really sure what they could add.

Odds and ends:

1, I broke through my resistance point and got down to 180. The last time I lost weight, I got down to 180 -- maybe 178 -- then stopped. It's now my intention to use 180 as the staging area to get where I really want to be, which is 165 or 170.

This is the whole reason I started this thread: So I don't just stop at 180. Losing the first 20 or 25 pounds is, in the scheme of things, kind of easy. Beginner's Gains, they call it -- it's relatively easy to get dramatic results in the beginning of a regime, because you have so much room for improvement.

It's losing the next 20 that's the trick. Interest wanes. And it gets harder to lose each pound as you get closer to your goal, so you go from seeing quick gains to much more hard-fought, inch-by-inch gains.

Point is, for me, now I'm in the tough patch. But I'm kind of psyched. I'm now ready to do the tough thing that I didn't do last time.

2. I figured out why my fat fast didn't work two weeks ago. I thought I had a great idea -- I'll make a bunch of onion dip, then dip broccoli in it. Sour cream is full of fat, and broccoli is low-carb, so I'll be getting a meal that's almost all fat.

Here's the problem: broccoli is low-carb-ish, not low-carb. You just can't eat as much broccoli as you like and stay in ketosis -- it has six grams of carbs per cup.

And I had about three or four cups of broccoli when I went apeshit on the onion dip.

I thought I was eating really healthy with all that broccoli -- well, yes, broccoli's still good for you (and boosts your Free testosterone by bonding with an enzyme which, left unchecked, would convert your testosterone to estrogen), but it does have carbs, and you can't just have as much of it as you might want as you can with meat or eggs or cheese. (Well, cheese has some carbs too, but just a few.)

It's was a good plan and I'm still doing the broccoli-and-onion-dip thing as a way to add fat into my diet. But now I'm just having a cup of broccoli with the dip as a side-thing along with a meal, not as the meal itself.

3. I just found out that some people, once they get keto-adapted (that is, once they're burning fat regularly and their bodies are accustomed to doing so), stop peeing the acetylacetone that the ketosticks check for. They may still be in ketosis, but their bodies stop making that particular ketone in favor of another one, one that that the urine test strips do not measure.

That means that after a month or two of being in good ketosis, your keto strips might start telling you, falsely, you're not in ketosis anymore.

If that happens to you, you'd have to invest in a blood ketone checker, which requires a prick of the finger, or buy a breath ketone checker.

I just bought a couple of those but only one arrived. I'll let you know if they seem to work next time.

Not everyone will stop producing urine-eliminated ketones. I'm still pushing them out. And this sort of conversion only happens once you're keto-adapted. So people who have only been doing this a short period should probably take a negative result on the ketostick as an actual negative and try to figure out what they did wrong. (Like with my broccoli bonanza -- sometimes you just wrongly think something is fine for ketosis, but it's not.)

So: Tell me your GAINS, brah!!

Posted by: Ace at 05:11 PM




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1 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at August 01, 2016 05:15 PM (GwIKd)

2 Whoa, first.

Posted by: Yo! at August 01, 2016 05:15 PM (GwIKd)

3 No beer
100 miles a week on a bike
Heart rate 2x resting for two to three hours on bike ride

Posted by: Sherlock at August 01, 2016 05:16 PM (cgxNI)

4 I'm having success on Rippetoe's program.

Posted by: Yo! at August 01, 2016 05:17 PM (GwIKd)

5 So: How are your GAINS?!!!

What about your GAFFES!?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 01, 2016 05:17 PM (AroJD)

6 Well I had to travel for work this week but managed to find an actual gym with deadlift platforms and squat racks near my hotel that would sell me a week pass, so happy about that.

Sticking to a decent diet when on the road is the hard part. Hard to find lean meat and veggies that aren't covered in sugary sauces.

Posted by: brak at August 01, 2016 05:18 PM (j4Buv)

7 My boobies are safe.

...for now.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 01, 2016 05:18 PM (6gk0M)

8 Yesterday was my cheat day coz I ate fried sugared plantains.
Got one pound back.

But I still feel good because I just realized I've gone down at least one dress size since the start of summer.

Posted by: @votermom at August 01, 2016 05:19 PM (7lVbc)

9 NINE!

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 01, 2016 05:19 PM (6gk0M)

10 So, you had enough energy to pour milk on your Kaboom?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 01, 2016 05:20 PM (7ZVPa)

11 Short term ketosis is ok, but long term not good for kidneys and can produce kidney stones. I have known several people who had this happen.

Kidneys can recover from acute stress, but am not sure how long term this will affect them. As well as quick weight loss, as with Adkins, often comes back when normal diet resumes.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at August 01, 2016 05:20 PM (Wb4xo)

12 (which retards aging)


these words have to be politically incorrect...amirite?

Posted by: Goomba at August 01, 2016 05:20 PM (tf/6I)

13
Breaking News: The Sharknado Water Slide

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Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 01, 2016 05:21 PM (ODxAs)

14 Life, it's not a race man, it's a journey.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 01, 2016 05:21 PM (6Ll1u)

15 I'm guessing the bubbly apple cider I'm drinking isn't low carb.

Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 05:22 PM (sIj5E)

16 I did great till Friday. Then a bon voyage party for a coworker meant an ice cream bar and then a wedding meant a wedding meal and a few drinks. Then "fuck it" hit on Sunday. So back to it today.

I actually had lost 5 lbs by Friday but this morning I'm back to where I started. However, I did see changes in the waistline already.

Joints are hurting And that's just from walking. ACL reconstruction on the left knee 10ish years ago and twisting my ankle multiple times in high school/college mean they pretty much hurt all the time. If I stretch my hip flexor it helps for some reason.

Three things I need to work on, and ace touched them: sleep, water and stretching at least 10 minutes a day.

Since I wrecked my hormones earlier this year by not eating enough and over exercising, I think I may have ovulated on Saturday. That sign was a first for 6 months, so that's good!

Posted by: mullingthingsover.com at August 01, 2016 05:22 PM (NrMU9)

17 How about a reasonable diet of all the food groups at an optimal caloric intake with a good exercise routine? Less stress I would imagine .

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 01, 2016 05:23 PM (yIPKR)

18 I'm having crockpot pulled pork tonight, and a malt beverage. With cornbread and butter on it. For a vegetable, green beans cooked with bacon (of course), and little potatoes.
Is this healthy?

Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 05:23 PM (d6TTt)

19 So: How are your GAINS?!!!



GREAT!
Had a chicken fried steak last night the size of a trash can lid.
God Bless Texas!

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 01, 2016 05:23 PM (W+RZ5)

20 Man, at one part years ago I felt as if I knew a bit more than ace when it comes to diet and exercise.

Now...it' sounds like he's going for his Masters degree.

Posted by: Max Power at August 01, 2016 05:23 PM (QCc6B)

21 "How about a reasonable diet of all the food groups at an optimal caloric intake with a good exercise routine? Less stress I would imagine ."

It's great if your metabolism isn't fucked.

Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 05:23 PM (sIj5E)

22 MR ACE! MR ACE!!!!! WHAT ABOUT YOUR GAAAAIIIINNNNSSSSSS????

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 01, 2016 05:24 PM (+eR2D)

23 The AC being out last week threw a wrench in my exercise program. But I got a week's worth of sauna treatments, so I got that going for me.

Working on coming up with a plan to do exercise with the new job. I had been exercising every other day, but this will be a 2-2-3 shift wise at 12 hours a shift. I am thinking I may have to exercise on days off.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 01, 2016 05:24 PM (3ZoRf)

24 This shit is why I am not going full no-carb.. this is fucking dangerous.. I've had good steady (albeit slow) weight loss with moderate lowering of carbs (and portion control) and have not felt stressed about what to eat, nor had any ill effects.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 01, 2016 05:24 PM (so+oy)

25 17 How about a reasonable diet of all the food groups at an optimal caloric intake with a good exercise routine? Less stress I would imagine .
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 01, 2016 05:23 PM (yIPKR)
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Might work for some. But you wouldn't suggest to an alcoholic to only have 1 beer, but go ahead and have it.

Posted by: mullingthingsover.com at August 01, 2016 05:24 PM (NrMU9)

26 As far as "diets" go, ifosfamide and doxorubicin helped me lose 20 pounds in just two weeks. Of course there were other chemicals and side effects one doesn't normally want in a diet plan...

It's all about being healthy, not just losing body mass.

Posted by: setnaffa at August 01, 2016 05:24 PM (jl6Ly)

27 Once I started loosely tracking my macros I learned a ton about food and how many people have no idea what a carb actually is.

Posted by: Yo! at August 01, 2016 05:24 PM (GwIKd)

28 " My boobies are safe.

...for now.
Posted by: Slapweasel,"



Is there something you want to tell us about. Are not feeling..........."whole?"

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 01, 2016 05:24 PM (1UoEY)

29 On the sale thing Ace it is similar to the cholesterol thing that some studies are now saying is not such a bad thing. There is one major difference though, most doctors have finally got around to agreeing that salt intake is not a bad thing as long as you do not go crazy with salt.


The only ones I have seen who are still on the reduced/no salty craze is the federal government. The European salt recommendation range is much broader and higher than ours. What I have seen is that the only people who should absolutely minimize salt intake are people who already have congestive heart failure and people who are "salt sensitive". That means they are basically allergic to salt.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 01, 2016 05:24 PM (mpXpK)

30 >>>Three things I need to work on, and ace touched them: sleep, water and stretching at least 10 minutes a day.


i'm trying to do this now, though, actually, I haven't started. But my physical therapy guy (the one working on my shoulder) told me ten minutes of stretching a day, a different body part worked each day, is ideal.

I got a book called "Becoming a Supple Leopard." Supposedly it's the best book on stretching. Haven't read it though, as I'm mostly just working on my shoulder.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:25 PM (dciA+)

31 Lost 3.5lbs over the past two weeks to...uh...I forget. 210#? Down about 20-25lbs since starting the IF.

Ran 5K yesterday. Although "ran" is a bit of a euphemism. "Trotted", perhaps.

If you're doing Maffetone, you do need your heart-rate monitored. The trick is keeping it *low*. I've got a Peak Basis (or is it Basis Peak) which I don't think is very accurate. I bought a KUAI of of Indiegogo (love Indiegogo) and it goes over your ears, which I suspect will make the HR more accurate AND it talks to you, which will save me from squinting at the watch in the dark (I run at night).

Posted by: moviegique at August 01, 2016 05:25 PM (7zeA4)

32 I'm very glad you posted this because I formally started my doctor-designed diet a week ago and I've lost 2.2 pounds, which is more than expected (but far less than the total I want to lose). I've got a medical issues that makes exercise very difficult because I can't/shouldn't get warm or hot, and chugging ice water to keep yourself cool while on the treadmill or whatever is. . . well, it makes it seem like there's no point. It's that or spend an hour afterword packed in ice packs. So we've all got different ways that we're doing this. It's just heartening to hear how other people are doing it and how it's working for them.

Posted by: biblio at August 01, 2016 05:25 PM (7o8VY)

33 Ace, you post reminds me of doing pretty much the same thing a few years ago, but I did not stop drinking, which is pure carbs and sugar.


I was running and lifting, so I lost weight and then gained back muscle. It was pretty depressing until I noticed my waist size was going down.


I am currently sort of on a maintain diet, cheating with some milk, yogurt and cottage cheese, but your post has me motivated.



Some things you didn't mention. I found I had to take Metamucil or I never crapped. Also, make sure you check your breath, it usually smell like crap.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 05:25 PM (F1iXz)

34 I biked 172 miles this weekend. My ass bones hurt. Still a bit dehydrated. Lactic acid didn't kill me but was still unpleasant. Taking a few days off with just light workouts. Maybe jogging and yoga only. Overall, feeling ok.

Posted by: NCKate at August 01, 2016 05:25 PM (9Pufo)

35 Ace,
I'm interested in how the breath and blood ketone monitors work. I do hope you post a review.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 05:25 PM (eU/yZ)

36 Might work for some. But you wouldn't suggest to an alcoholic to only have 1 beer, but go ahead and have it.
Posted by: mullingthingsover.com at August 01, 2016 05:24 PM (NrMU9)

Yeah, and sugar starts looking a lot like cigarettes when you try to completely cut the cord for a while.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 01, 2016 05:25 PM (3ZoRf)

37 *Men look away*

", I think I may have ovulated on Saturday. That sign was a first for 6 months, so that's good!"

Check out the Kindara ap. It's my favorite fertility tracker. I use Billings and it works really well with that.

Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 05:25 PM (sIj5E)

38 I liked everything in this post.

Posted by: BuckIV at August 01, 2016 05:26 PM (CLfqv)

39 Onion dip is a helluva drug...

Posted by: Rick James, Bitch at August 01, 2016 05:26 PM (F5zRG)

40 I did start drinking bullet proof coffee with a meal replacement shake last week. Butter, coconut oil, cream, coffee and a scoop of chocolate meal replacement shake. I drank that in the middle of the morning and couldn't finish my salad at lunch. I'll be repeating that.

Posted by: mullingthingsover.com at August 01, 2016 05:26 PM (NrMU9)

41 Oh, I have a question for Doctor Ace that's been bothering me all week.

I've been fasting a lot lately. I'm just not hungry and also I bought into the 90/10 diet/exercise thing, because the last time I got into top shape the exercise part was really hard and I'd rather start it from a nice base weight.

I digress.

So, you said the thing about fasting is that something flips and the body starts to metabolize something differently.

Even when I'm fasting in the sense of not eating anything I am drinking the occasional fruit juice or gin and tonic. Do the calories and sugars in beverages prevent that switch from flipping?

I have lost weight, but I wonder if I'm getting the fasting benefit.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 01, 2016 05:26 PM (mgbwf)

42 Posted by: mullingthingsover.com at August 01, 2016 05:24 PM (NrMU9)

You mean a person can follow these complicated and strict diet plans but are unable to follow a simple caloric intake plan? More issues than just weight.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 01, 2016 05:26 PM (yIPKR)

43 11 Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at August 01, 2016 05:20 PM (Wb4xo)

I've been fasting intermittently for a week today, and have trimmed not cut(by choice) my carbs.

Kidneys are a funny thing the color of my urine, sorry to be blunt, has never been "clear" since the army and a few deep dehydration episodes....

I am hydrating now like a motherf*c*er and can get it to the lightest of yellows but never clear like I could as a kid.

The plus side is very good, I have shaved 10 points off my systolic and diastolic BP, and 10-15 beats off my resting heart rate....

I was shocked when I took my resting pulse and was at 52 beats per minute....that is *almost* as good as when I ran 13 miles every other day in my teens and had a 45 BPM resting heart rate.

To all trying it(within reason and a Doctor's orders if in a risk group) I wish you continued success, to any wanting to try it...

In my case at least, I feel literally ten years younger.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 05:26 PM (SzZnW)

44 The Fitbit Charge HR shows you your heartrate in real time, but that device is like $110.


You can get wristcuff BP monitors which will show heart rate and BP much cheaper than that.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 01, 2016 05:27 PM (mpXpK)

45 On Amazon, you can get one for $37.50. That's like three X-rated DVDs.

I see ace buys the premium stuff.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 01, 2016 05:27 PM (z4FGn)

46 "How about a reasonable diet of all the food groups at an optimal caloric intake with a good exercise routine? Less stress I would imagine ."



I don't know.


Everything in moderation, nothing in excess. A fair number of people lived into their 80's 300 years ago without need of a Food Triangle.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 01, 2016 05:27 PM (1UoEY)

47 Not that its important, but the low carb/paleo paleo thing recommends increasing your salt/sodium intake a crapton. Because of all the peeing.

Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 05:27 PM (d6TTt)

48 Also, there was so much good stuff in last week's thread, I put up a Wiki at kingdomrpg.com. I'm not done pulling out the stuff from last week that interested me yet, but I invite everyone to use the Wiki as a way to keep track of their interests as well.

If people get into it, I'll spin it off to a more reasonable domain name. I just used KingdomRPG because I had it lying around.

Posted by: moviegique at August 01, 2016 05:27 PM (7zeA4)

49 I got a book called "Becoming a Supple Leopard."
Supposedly it's the best book on stretching. Haven't read it though, as
I'm mostly just working on my shoulder.





Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:25 PM (dciA+)


I'm giggling my ass off. Sorry, this sounds like some sort of cheap ebook porn.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 01, 2016 05:27 PM (+eR2D)

50 I can't play along on this loosing weight thing but am trying to get some endurance up in exercise.

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2016 05:27 PM (bksJQ)

51 I've lost one pound this week. Almost there. 4 more pounds.
The problem is going to be maintaining.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 05:27 PM (eU/yZ)

52 Lost 10 pounds in about 5 weeks. the diet seems easy because I don't have cravings and I like the food I can eat. lately though, I'm up and down 2-3 lbs. frustrating. Not tracking ketosis with strips, just looking at Macros with MyFitnessPal App. doing fat bombs and staying within Macro limits, and usually below calories of 1500 daily. Not sure why I leveled out. Want to lose 15 total.

Get lots of exercise in the home gym on my 3 station heavy, speed, double ended bag combo. Use a rounds tracker on IPad for 5 minute MMA rounds. Maybe water/ Need to track it. Combo of seltzer and water all day.

Posted by: Goomba at August 01, 2016 05:27 PM (tf/6I)

53 Stretching depends on individual. I have always been horrifically inflexible with any conventional stretching, but sufficiently flexible to do full squats, rack cleans, skin the cats, etc. Eventually I stopped stretching altogether. Just use the warmups to get the movement, do it, cool down, go home. Even running, I just go run, walk a bit at the end, that's it. Did 6 miles Sunday. Supposedly it's not stretching or not stretching that injures you, it's changing your routine (i.e. typically stretch, then don't = injury, typically don't stretch, then stretch = injury).

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 01, 2016 05:27 PM (b/WXn)

54 Finally! Thought you forgot about it!

Posted by: Texas Zombie at August 01, 2016 05:27 PM (SUtNI)

55 Might work for some. But you wouldn't suggest to an alcoholic to only have 1 beer, but go ahead and have it.
Posted by: mullingthingsover.com
............
Probably the stupidest thing I have heard in several weeks.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 01, 2016 05:27 PM (so+oy)

56 Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 05:27 PM (d6TTt)
I crave salt now. I didn't use to.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 05:29 PM (eU/yZ)

57 18 I'm having crockpot pulled pork tonight, and a malt beverage. With cornbread and butter on it. For a vegetable, green beans cooked with bacon (of course), and little potatoes.
Is this healthy?
_______________________

If you base your diet on a low glycemic index type of plan, then the cornbread, malt beverage and potatoes would be out.

Posted by: BuckIV at August 01, 2016 05:29 PM (CLfqv)

58 41 Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 01, 2016 05:26 PM (mgbwf)

Eventually your body, in its desire to fulfill its mission to build up an emergency hedge against privation will begin to metabolize more of the meat you eat into "chemical" sugars from an insulin system standpoint.

You should probably factor in "breaks" based on plateauing.

I plan to take a break this week as I will be home in Ohio, then I will resume it.

The hard part for me is staying strict on the 16 hours off thing and forcing a 24 hour or more pure fast.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 05:30 PM (SzZnW)

59 This keeps up, ace will start hawing HQ tee shirts for us to work out in.



Skull and cross bones on front, on back. "Moron at work" ?



Or "Hobos fear me" "Ask me about Valu Rite"?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 05:30 PM (F1iXz)

60 56 Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 05:29 PM (eU/yZ)

You getting headaches by chance?

The human body often craves salt when hydration or headaches is an issue.

Like my doc said if you crave it indulge it a little and see if your sense of wellness goes up.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 05:31 PM (SzZnW)

61 @11 ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen

I've heard this claim about ketosis. My daughter was in ketosis for six years. Severe ketosis. Like, the strip never stopped being purple.

It was to handle epilepsy, which it did. No sign of kidney damage. (It's been 15 years now since she stopped.) I'm not sure if ketosis is the issue or perhaps increased protein? (If it is, in fact, an issue.)

Posted by: moviegique at August 01, 2016 05:31 PM (7zeA4)

62 Someone mentioned the cider vinegar drinks, and it sounded strangely familiar--we have a long-passed-down recipe from back in the ancestral farming days involving cider vinegar, ginger and water. We never called it switchel, but that apparently is what it is. I was trendy and didn't know it! With the sodastream, it makes a really good drink. The ginger tones down the cider vinegar, making it more like ginger-ale.

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at August 01, 2016 05:31 PM (Oa+Fj)

63 I see ace buys the premium stuff.
Posted by: Country Boy at August 01, 2016 05:27 PM (z4FGn)

Hope he saw the sticky in the sidebar.

Posted by: Golfman at August 01, 2016 05:32 PM (48QDY)

64 "You mean a person can follow these complicated and strict diet plans but are unable to follow a simple caloric intake plan? More issues than just weight."

Not "unable" to, just they don't see results from them.

When your metabolism gets screwed up your body stops managing glucose effectively and so if you're eating carbs you still feel constant hunger because at a cellular level, you are.

Most people can't deal with being constantly hungry forever with very slow weight loss.

Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 05:32 PM (sIj5E)

65 Or "Hobos fear me" "Ask me about Valu Rite"?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 05:30 PM (F1iXz)

"Got Pudding?" (with an open pudding cup beneath)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 01, 2016 05:32 PM (3ZoRf)

66 Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 05:31 PM (SzZnW
No headaches. I drink at least 5 liters of water a day. I just use salt on eggs or whatever I'm eating. Before I wouldn't use salt.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 05:33 PM (eU/yZ)

67 >>>On the sale thing Ace it is similar to the cholesterol thing that some studies are now saying is not such a bad thing. There is one major difference though, most doctors have finally got around to agreeing that salt intake is not a bad thing as long as you do not go crazy with salt.

actually they almost immediately postively disproved that dietary cholesterol leads to serum (blood) cholesterol -- two years after the theory was proposed, back in like 1959.

for some reason, this bizarre idea has hung around. Like global warming.

The US government finally said "Okay, eat eggs."

Sixty years after they disproved the dietary/serum cholesterol link.

On salt, cutting salt in half reduces your blood pressure by like 5 mm Hg.

Know what drops your blood pressure by 20 mm hg?

Cutting carbs.

over and over again, the science keeps pointing to carbs as the major cause of the so-called "Diseases of civilization" (only people on a western diet have high blood pressure, heart attacks, obesity, diabetes, and cancer in any appreciable rates -- such diseases are almost unheard of in people eating a "traditional" diet).

But they fixated on saturated fat as the villain, with no evidence for that, and because they called fat the villain, it meant that they carbs HAD to be good (or else-- what could you eat?)

It's a scandal. Taubes "Good Calories, Bad Calories" will have you shaking your head at how many studies since the fifties have shown it's CARBS, not FAT or dietary cholesterol, which increase all these health risks, and how, every time this is show, the estabilishment thinks of new ways to ignore the studies.

It's only now that people are starting to admit this.

My GP freaked out every time I told her I was doing intermittent fasting. "That's dangerous," she told me. "You'll lower your total energy expenditure and burn muscle mass."

But my cardiologist is hipper on the new (correct) view. When I told him I was Intermittent fasting, he just said: "That's good but dont forget it's low-carb-high-fat which is the more important factor."

I don't know if he's right that LCHF is more important than IF, but it's nice to have a doctor that acknowledges that both are good, and is just debating which is *more* important.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:33 PM (dciA+)

68 I really should stretch more, especially my hamstrings.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 01, 2016 05:33 PM (+eR2D)

69 ..."I'm giggling my ass off. Sorry, this sounds like some sort of cheap ebook porn."
-Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 01, 2016 05:27 PM (+eR2D)

*HAH!*

I'm still fat, so there's that.

Posted by: Ms. Greenbaum at August 01, 2016 05:33 PM (6gk0M)

70 I'd never have thought that AoS would be a smart health and fitness blog along in addition to all the other wonderful things.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 01, 2016 05:33 PM (KUaJL)

71 ace, I know you are in NYC with no Costcos, but Costco has a lot of stuff that is cheap and easy to eat on the fly.



Frozen Salmon, thaws in 20 minutes and then grill it. Precooked chicken breast, just micro wave. Pre cooked bacon!! Grilled chicken breast strips already cooked.



All in my frig or freezer


Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 05:33 PM (F1iXz)

72 i'm 62. weigh the same as when i graduated high school.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 01, 2016 05:34 PM (KP5rU)

73 Stupid sock.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 01, 2016 05:34 PM (6gk0M)

74 As we get older, we tend to get fatter. Some sort of metabolic thing. Also weight redistributes whether we like it or not.
So some get frustrated because overall weight stays kinda stable, but we walk around with muffin tops. Boys AND girls.
Oh yeah, for guys, testosterone levels start their death march to zero, and we gain weight.
It is always an option to use the Farmer diet though (buy bigger pants). Works every time.
Good Smeagol always helps.

Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 05:34 PM (d6TTt)

75 >>>Posted by: Lauren

Lauren,

I just sort of ignore them now.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:34 PM (dciA+)

76 Check out the Kindara ap. It's my favorite fertility tracker. I use Billings and it works really well with that.
Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 05:25 PM (sIj5E)

I do the Creighton model. My chart is easy as I have very little mucous to record. Perhaps a day or two. Most recently 1, maybe.

Posted by: mullingthingsover.com at August 01, 2016 05:34 PM (NrMU9)

77 I wish I could try this diet but I have UC, I would love to be able to go no carb, I love all things veggies and fruits, but alas, cannot eat any of it. My weight goes up and down with flares and remission, meds etc... at almost 50 I've decided that I will just eat what I can, exercise every day, but most importantly have wine on hand at all times when everything else fails.

I do want to try the bone broth, this seems to be a big thing with the Crohn's colitis community as well.

Posted by: spypeach at August 01, 2016 05:35 PM (nyYhO)

78 Oh, and 36 xtra large eggs for $2.60! Hard boil them and you have a cheap high protein snack ready all the time



Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 05:35 PM (F1iXz)

79 i'm 62. weigh the same as when i graduated high school.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 01, 2016 05:34 PM (KP5rU)




62? Hell, you must have been the lightest guy in high school.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 01, 2016 05:35 PM (8ZskC)

80 @43...intermittent is good. Hydration even better to prevent kidney stones.

Whatever works, but don't damage your kidneys. If Hilz wins you may have to donate one.

In all seriousness, kidney stones can damage the heck out of the organ, on top of hideous pain. Just be careful.

I went off my beta blocker as pulse too low and feeling blah all the time. Bp seems fine, so far. Lost weight (water?) rapidly. Also not eating sweets/carbs in flour. Or over eating "natural" carbs. Increasing swimming. Would rather have slower wt loss vs faster as I want to sustain and stay healthy.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at August 01, 2016 05:35 PM (Wb4xo)

81 62 Posted by: Sabrina Chase at August 01, 2016 05:31 PM (Oa+Fj)

Francis Marion was notorious for sipping at vinegar-water in the French and Injun war and the American Revolution...he had had a bout of some suspect malaria and it reduced his symptomology enough to go raise hell in the swamps...

Good stuff I used it when I was a runner.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 05:35 PM (SzZnW)

82 Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:33 PM (dciA+)


My doctor refuses to allow me to go off of the cholesterol drugs and I have asked him twice.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 01, 2016 05:36 PM (mpXpK)

83 I have been killing it on this LCHF + IF thing. Have drastically reduced alcohol consumption and carb consumption. This week I had a beer Monday, half a beer Tuesday, and half a beer Saturday. That was my entire grain intake for the week. I ate almost zero refined carbs or sugars, drank at least two 40oz bottles of water a day, had two coffees each morning with heavy cream and nothing until dinner each day except one or two days when I ate a piece of cheese around 4pm to tide me over.

This weekend I was at a retreat where I wasn't in control of the menu but was still able to avoid carbs. Not many fatty foods were served so I mostly ate proteins. (Chicken breast one night, seafood another night,) Over the weekend I ate lunch both days but kept it lite. I drank some wine and whiskey but overall my alcohol consumption for the week was far less than 10% of my pre July 7 normal. (July 7 being the date Ace posted the first LCHF thread)

Today I stepped on the scale and weighed in exactly the same as last week.
What the what? I was disappointed but not wholly discouraged. The thing is - I know the changes I am making are healthier than the lifestyle I was living before. I know that my body is changing because my clothes are all fitting better. I tried on a couple shirts I haven't been able to wear in a couple years and they fit almost comfortably. I feel close to comfortably dropping a t-shirt size. My current size is a little baggy but one size down is still a little snug for comfort. I have dropped one and a half belt holes. So I know I'm on the right track. I'm just a little shocked that my weight loss trajectory isn't where I thought it would be considering the drastic changes I have made. Still, I would think that going down to one meal a day, cutting
90+% of alcohol consumption, and cutting out processed carbs and sugars
90+I
would have seen more weight loss.

I don't believe I am trading fat for muscle because I have not added an exercise regime to my daily routine yet.

This morning I ordered Gary Taubes' Why We Get Fat & What To Do About It and Nina Teicholz' The Big Fat Surprise: Why Butter, Meat, & Cheese Belong In A Healthy Diet. Hopefully those books will give me a better understanding of what's going on and I can further tweak my diet to make sure I'm doing this thing right. I probably also need to buckle down and add some friggin exercise.

Posted by: Texas Zombie at August 01, 2016 05:36 PM (SUtNI)

84 Ketoacidosis is not caused by going low carb. In fact, before insulin, low carb was the only way to keep diabetics alive.

It is a pathological responsed by rising glucose levels that can't be tamed by insulin.

Ketoacidosis is caused by uncontrolled high blood glucose.

In a normal ketonic state, the body can control the ketone levels easily. It is too much glucose that causes ketoacidosis.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 01, 2016 05:36 PM (DW+jj)

85 66 Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 05:33 PM (eU/yZ)

That should take care of it.

Bone Broth is kind of "extreme sports" in my eyes, but sounds right....

I'd probably just use lipton bullion and be done with it.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 05:37 PM (SzZnW)

86 >>>It was to handle epilepsy, which it did. No sign of kidney damage. (It's been 15 years now since she stopped.) I'm not sure if ketosis is the issue or perhaps increased protein? (If it is, in fact, an issue.)

I stopped having seizures when I went low carb.

With the kidney thing -- it is true that excess protein overworks the kidneys.

But note the diet is not Low carb High protein. It's supposed to be low carb, moderate protein, high fat.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:37 PM (dciA+)

87 62 Someone mentioned the cider vinegar drinks, and it sounded strangely familiar--we have a long-passed-down recipe from back in the ancestral farming days involving cider vinegar, ginger and water. We never called it switchel, but that apparently is what it is. I was trendy and didn't know it! With the sodastream, it makes a really good drink. The ginger tones down the cider vinegar, making it more like ginger-ale.
Posted by: Sabrina Chase at August 01, 2016 05:31 PM (Oa+Fj)

I love ginger -that sounds really good.
Can you share the recipe?

Posted by: @votermom at August 01, 2016 05:37 PM (7lVbc)

88 Slapweasel!


Posted by: Ms. Greenbaum at August 01, 2016 05:33 PM (6gk0M)

are you stalking me?


That's so sweet!

Posted by: |m| fka Mortimer at August 01, 2016 05:37 PM (qtgOZ)

89 My gains: working from home today. Saw a giant pork butt (10-12 lbs) in the fridge, pending the slow cooker. Got a wild hair and fired up the Weber w/black walnut sticks that drop after storms this time of year. Made foil packets filled w/pre-soaked cherry smoking chips. I smoked the pork for 1.5 hours, then put in the slow cooker w/secret sauce. My garage smells like a BBQ joint. Can't wait to see the smoke ring...

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 01, 2016 05:38 PM (SeD0w)

90 72
i'm 62. weigh the same as when i graduated high school.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 01, 2016 05:34 PM (KP5rU)

When you get out of college call me, ha ha.
My son's father in law, USMA '69, is a retired two star general. At son's wedding the asshole wore his dress uniform, same size as when he graduated.

He's actually a good guy. Can not stand Hillary.


Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 05:38 PM (F1iXz)

91 My doctor refuses to allow me to go off of the cholesterol drugs and I have asked him twice.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 01, 2016 05:36 PM (mpXpK)

You can always try red yeast rice and CO Q10 and see if that works. My wife did and went from 290 to 215 in about 4 months.

Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 05:38 PM (d6TTt)

92
Get a dog! It will help you get more exercise and is more fun.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 01, 2016 05:38 PM (iQIUe)

93 Ah, thanks again Ace. Way to go, sticking with this.

I'm into my...third week (?) of Intermittent Fasting. Still haven't changed my diet otherwise, which includes such poison as soda pop. Not trying for low carb, since that borked me last time I tried it.

I didn't manage to do even the lazy man's exercise every day, won't bother listing excuses why because they are just excuses, but I did keep increment.

27 pushups
27 air squats
27 leg lifts.

I'll keep adding one rep per day, if past performance is any guide, my body will keep adapting up to pretty high reps.

Still haven't found the scale but feeling good.

I am drinking a ton of water as fasting seems to leave me with dry mouth in the mornings. Odd but it works out well for me.

And, playing along, check out the old John Leslie pornos: Catwoman, Chameleon and the Michael Nin flicks. Both have some modicum of plot and character to go with the 80's hair and sex. The Leslie movies are a little better, IMHO.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 01, 2016 05:38 PM (fjr1P)

94 Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 05:26 PM (SzZnW)

Sven, my doctor told me that if my pee is dark yellow, it just means I need to drink more water.
But if it is dark like tea, it may be a liver problem and needs to be tested.

Posted by: @votermom at August 01, 2016 05:39 PM (7lVbc)

95 I got in 3 good workouts last week, but didn't watch my eating too much. Have some bad habits to get rid of before IF we'll start working.

Also forgot to weigh myself today. Goal is to lose 10 pounds this month.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 01, 2016 05:39 PM (z4FGn)

96 So downing a 40 at 8 am and having a half pack of Winstons for lunch is right out, I take it?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 01, 2016 05:39 PM (k2Hcx)

97 >>> >>>It was to handle epilepsy, which it did. No sign of kidney damage. (It's been 15 years now since she stopped.) I'm not sure if ketosis is the issue or perhaps increased protein? (If it is, in fact, an issue.)

My guess is that it's the reduction in insulin that causes the drop in seizures, as well as a more tightly bound glucose range.

The brain can run on both glucose and ketones; I have a feeling that a rush of glucose (or a sudden drop in glucose due to insulin) is what prompts seizures.

Since ketones don't spike and drop as much, they wouldn't set the brain off on a seizure.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:40 PM (dciA+)

98 Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 05:32 PM (sIj5E)

I can see that if your diet is high in carbs. I'm talking about a properly balanced diet . Of course the caloric intake also depends on the exercise program you choose.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 01, 2016 05:40 PM (yIPKR)

99 "I do the Creighton model. "

I kinda sorta did Creighton for a few years but I didn't use the stickers, just the Kindara ap. I like that Creighton gives you more objective measurements that Billings, but while nursing my last baby I was in "yellow stickers" for like 3 months.

I really like that you can have a NaPro doc review your cycle with Creighton though.

Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 05:40 PM (sIj5E)

100 So downing a 40 at 8 am and having a half pack of Winstons for lunch is right out, I take it?
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 01, 2016 05:39 PM (k2Hcx)

That's fine, as long as you make spin class.

Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 05:40 PM (d6TTt)

101 67 Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:33 PM (dciA+)

Absolutely spot on.

My Cardiologist in South Carolina is a nice fellow from Pakistan, he smiled and said "you get it" when I admitted that my french fry addiction was killing me.

Carbs and EASY Carbs without the usual backbreaking workday to burn them up is what is killing us cardio wise, not fats and meats.

Keep up the pursuit of your health Ace, and most importantly enjoy the phase of your march on this mortal coil you are in.

I wish I had grasped that point in my late 20s instead of my early 40s.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 05:40 PM (SzZnW)

102 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 01, 2016 05:39 PM (k2Hcx)
Change the 40 to champs, the winstons for marlboro and you have the model diet. Don't forget the coke.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 05:40 PM (eU/yZ)

103 96: sounds about right. good training.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 01, 2016 05:41 PM (KP5rU)

104 I was down to 225 for a while recently. (My worst was around 260.) But this was largely because my appetite was so badly off from depression. It was fasting of a sort but not the good kind. While things are still pretty lousy in my life, I'm not quite as down and so my appetite came back some and just now I found myself back up to 230. This is a stable point for me if I don't go heavy on snacking on crap, which the depression loves when it doesn't command starvation.

The one big difference is I started at a gym at the beginning of July and go about five days out of six so far. Maybe it will help over time and perhaps the recent weight gain is muscle mass. At least, it would be nice to think so.

Posted by: Epobirs at August 01, 2016 05:41 PM (IdCqF)

105 This morning I ordered Gary Taubes' Why We Get Fat What To Do
About It and Nina Teicholz' The Big Fat Surprise: Why Butter, Meat,
Cheese Belong In A Healthy Diet. Hopefully those books will give
me a better understanding of what's going on and I can further tweak my
diet to make sure I'm doing this thing right. I probably also need to
buckle down and add some friggin exercise




I read Gary's book and was not impressed. Poorly written and redundant as hell. Read the last two chapters and then throw it away.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 05:42 PM (F1iXz)

106 >>>I am drinking a ton of water as fasting seems to leave me with dry mouth in the mornings. Odd but it works out well for me.


I have dry mouth when I sleep and I was told to try putting some coconut oil in my mouth before sleep, or when I wake up due to dry mouth.

It works. I haven't been completely free of dry mouth, but it has reduced the incidence of it and the itensity. (Frequently waking up due to painful dry mouth is why my sleep has been horrible lately.)

With the coconut oil, I only wake up once or twice per night, and I don't have those horrible patches where my mouth is painfully dry but i'm not *quite* awake -- just awake enough that I'm not getting the benefits of sleep.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:43 PM (dciA+)

107 I'm getting ready to do a MasterCleanse so all I'm going to eat the next few days is a spoonful of peanut butter every three hours and water, then on Wednesday I'll start the cleanse.

Once that two week nightmare is over I'm going to do a modified paleo diet I do which is very boring and sparse:

Couple strips of bacon and a fried egg each morning at 6 am.

Handful of fried fruit and nuts at 10 am and 2 pm.

Raw spinach salad at lunch with sunflower seeds, carrots and tomatoes.

Dinner each day will be an avocado with either a raw tuna steak, a hunk of sauteed chicken or pork, or a beef steak.

Drinking copious amounts of water all day, as well, and working out each evening before bed.

And of course working at my boring desk job.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 01, 2016 05:43 PM (dGe7B)

108 For those in the market for a tracker, keep an eye on Woot.com, they've had some pretty good deals on refurbs lately. I was able to pick up a Fitbit Surge for $134 a few weeks ago. I love the thing.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 01, 2016 05:43 PM (GUBah)

109 Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:25 PM (dciA+)

I think it's pretty clear that you will need to change your
commenting nic to,"Supple Leopard."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 01, 2016 05:43 PM (Zu3d9)

110 94 Posted by: @votermom at August 01, 2016 05:39 PM (7lVbc)

Yup.

I have Liver cysts, back when wife was in Iraq my Doc at Ft Polk was afraid they were not simple benign ones.

I think I aged 10 years in a week.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 05:43 PM (SzZnW)

111 I'm still walking on Tuesday and Thursday and weights at the gym 3 days. Assisted pull ups and overhead presses with light kettle bells today.
I need to stretch more also.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 05:44 PM (eU/yZ)

112 91
My doctor refuses to allow me to go off of the cholesterol drugs and I have asked him twice.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 01, 2016 05:36 PM (mpXpK)

He can't make you take them.

I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 05:44 PM (yxupc)

113 Been following the adventure with interest. My wife and I have been doing a simple low-carb diet since March 1st. We each have gone from right at 200 to 170.
Literally all we have done is try to stick right between 60 and 70 carbs a day. We stalled in the weight loss about two weeks ago and deliberately took a "break". We had a huge carb meal, then were pretty loose on our carb numbers for about a week. Gained very little, but once we saw a couple of pounds come back on, we went back to closer to 60 a day, and the weight loss has resumed.
A few things:
We have deliberately avoided going into ketosis, or at least tried to, yet the weight loss has been pretty damn good.
I'm going with the old science that alcohol doesn't count as carbs. I am a cocktail blogger, and any diet that doesn't allow bourbon or gin (or rum or brandy) is NOT in the cards. I have adjusted which recipes I use, but I still drink as much as I used to.

Oh, and my BP has gone from 140/110, with three BP meds, to 110/75, and fewer meds. My only worry is my cholesterol, with all the steak I eat.

My feeling is that at 60-80/day, I can sustain this diet indefinitely. I feel great, and only occasionally hungry. We won't fast, because we know we won't stick with the diet.

Posted by: Doug Winship at August 01, 2016 05:44 PM (RTofo)

114 >>>The one big difference is I started at a gym at the beginning of July and go about five days out of six so far

i think most people would say go every other day at most. You need at least one recovery day after a hard lift.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:44 PM (dciA+)

115 I saw Supple Leopard open for Fat Bottom Lady at the LA Forum in 92.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 01, 2016 05:44 PM (yIPKR)

116
With the coconut oil, I only wake up once or
twice per night, and I don't have those horrible patches where my mouth
is painfully dry but i'm not *quite* awake -- just awake enough that I'm
not getting the benefits of sleep.





Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:43 PM (dciA+)

Only once or twice? Clearly your prostate is OK, damn you.
ewoks have prostates right?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 05:45 PM (F1iXz)

117 "can see that if your diet is high in carbs. I'm talking about a properly balanced diet . "

But that "balance" depends on your ability to metabolize carbs.

Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 05:45 PM (sIj5E)

118 After two weeks of near-zero carbs (maybe 5 grams per day) and intermittent fasting nearly every day, I'm down exactly 10 pounds, from 200 to 190.0.

However: I cheated. I weighed myself this morning...after I got up last night at 2am to absolutely shit my guts out. Brutal -- abdominal cramps til every last bit was out of there. I never do that. Not sure what I did wrong -- ate undercooked eggs, maybe, 16 hours before?

My wife is down from 130-ish to 123 and she's thinking about leveling off with a low, but not zero, carb diet.

All in all, this diet's been a great success. I'm certainly planning on trimming carbs permanently, now that I know how easy it is. Thanks for doing this, Ace.

Posted by: Pastafarian at August 01, 2016 05:45 PM (sgHEm)

119 >>>My only worry is my cholesterol, with all the steak I eat.


I will bet you one hundred dollars all of your cholesterol/triglyceride markers improve if you stay on low carb -- and in fact eating steak will drive them into a positive direction.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:45 PM (dciA+)

120 Ace, you used to get seizures?

Posted by: @votermom at August 01, 2016 05:45 PM (7lVbc)

121 >>85 66 Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 05:33 PM (eU/yZ)

That should take care of it.

Bone Broth is kind of "extreme sports" in my eyes, but sounds right....

I'd probably just use lipton bullion and be done with it.

Pretty sure any bullion you get is going to be lotsa salt and chemicals from a plant in New Jersey, when what you want is lotsa minerals, collagen and other things from the bones of a cow/chicken/pig/whatever, and lotsa salt (to taste).

Posted by: moviegique at August 01, 2016 05:46 PM (7zeA4)

122 i think most people would say go every other day at most. You need at least one recovery day after a hard lift.





Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:44 PM (dciA+)

True dat. Also, rotate muscle groups and have a couple of cardio days in there.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 05:46 PM (F1iXz)

123 My fitness formula: I've been a competitive endurance athlete since, well, the army forced me into being a runner 30 years ago. I've raced road bikes, run triathlons, and recently did some gnarly ultra-distance stuff. For numerous reasons, at age 50 I've pretty much stopped training. I'm doing a short run to a chin-up bar on an old "par course" at my local park. Do 3 sets of chinups, pushups, and planks. Run home. ~ 3 miles total, 35 minutes total workout time 3X a week. It's an ass kicker. I'm with in 10lbs of my racing weight.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 01, 2016 05:46 PM (SeD0w)

124 @votemom, I will post the ginger-drink recipe when I get home and can access the ancient index card it is written on (really, it has been handed down in the family for generations...)

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at August 01, 2016 05:46 PM (Oa+Fj)

125 >>I stopped having seizures when I went low carb.

I didn't even know you had seizures.

>>With the kidney thing -- it is true that excess protein overworks the kidneys.

But note the diet is not Low carb High protein. It's supposed to be low carb, moderate protein, high fat.

'zackly. The ketogenic diet is under 20 carbs a day, IIRC.

Posted by: moviegique at August 01, 2016 05:46 PM (7zeA4)

126 >>>However: I cheated. I weighed myself this morning...after I got up last night at 2am to absolutely shit my guts out. Brutal -- abdominal cramps til every last bit was out of there. I never do that. Not sure what I did wrong -- ate undercooked eggs, maybe, 16 hours before?


are you doing coconut oil/MCT?

I had that too. Remember, your body has to accomodate itself to MCT/coconut oil a little bit at a time. too much, too fast and you get disaster pants.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:46 PM (dciA+)

127 >>>I was also on a 24 hour fast and did the exercise fasted.


You conservatives don't know grammar. You should have said, "and did the exercise quickly". How can we trust you as president after you made such a mistake?

Posted by: liberal spinmeister at August 01, 2016 05:47 PM (D2kY1)

128 I've got a Charge HR. Had it almost 1 year. It loves me; tells me so almost every morning :-)

Just yesterday the band rubber started peeling away from the display. According to the interwebz, that is a common problem. It will hopefully be replaced under warranty.

It works pretty well for what it is designed to do, but it's only a "Meh" watch. I've been known to wear the FitBit on one wrist and a real watch (or GPS watch) on the other. What's the expression? Man with two watches never knows what time it is.

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at August 01, 2016 05:47 PM (VGRuw)

129 Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 05:43 PM (SzZnW)

Does coffee help?

Posted by: @votermom at August 01, 2016 05:47 PM (7lVbc)

130 I lost 60lbs 5 yrs ago and have kept 50 off. Things that worked for me:

- Write down what you eat. Everything. No cheating. The guilt will hit you a second time. Share your food diary with someone, the guilt will hit you a 3rd time.

- I travel a LOT. I go to grocery stores instead of restaraunts. Nuts, berries, tomatoes, smoked salmon. Al hunter / gatherer stuff, no processed stuff.

- Hotel breakfast = eggs, yogurt. Skip everything else.

- Order and extra plate at restaurants. When food is served, immediately put everything you shouldn't eat on the plate and have them take it away. Keep 1/2 your chili burger and 3 onion rings. Get the rest away. You can then 'clean your plate'. The psychology works.

- Never shop hungry, never go to restaurant hungry. I make bad choices.

- Look up the restaurant menu BEFORE you go and pick something when you are not hungry.

- Keep beef bouillon / chicken broth at your desk. Hot water with some salt will totally take your hunger away. Ramen w/o the noodles.

- 10k steps do not keep my weight in check. I need to bike a couple hours per week. The sweating / anaerobic thing is needed for me.

- Stop eating when you are no longer hungry, not when you are full. (Doesn't work for me)

- I can eat 4 hamburgers if I cook all 4. Cook one at a time. Have a big glass of water afterwards. If you are still hungry, you can start cooking a second, but I rarely feel like a 2nd.

- substitute corn tortillas for wheat

- I lost all my weight while drinking booze. No beer/wine. Scotch and soda worked for me.




Posted by: Floyd Winston at August 01, 2016 05:47 PM (0CKeS)

131 I will bet you one hundred dollars all of your
cholesterol/triglyceride markers improve if you stay on low carb -- and
in fact eating steak will drive them into a positive direction.





Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:45 PM (dciA+)

This is true. I fight Chol all the time. I have found taking Niacin works, 500 mg morning and at night, that and Metamucil every morning. Reduced mine by about 100 points

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 05:48 PM (F1iXz)

132 Glad you started this thread.

My wife and I just closed the CrossFit gym that we owned and ran together after 4 years of business. It was always a side-job for us, we still had our full-time jobs and we just weren't able to put enough into it to make it a full-time career for her.

Oddly enough, own a fitness business means you have less and less time to manage your own fitness.

In the last 2 years, I've worked out less than I have ever before. I'm now the heaviest I've ever been (6'4" - 247lbs), and in terrible shape. My diet is for shit, along with the rest of my health-related markers.

So, Ace's revolution came at about the perfect time for me. I'm well aware of all the fitness steps to take (I've been preaching them the last 4 years). I myself have decided to adapt primarily an Intermittent Fasting based diet, but I'll be eating as "clean" as I can during the weekdays, and letting myself relax and do whatever on the weekends, but still maintaining the IF eating schedule.

Getting back into the exercising slowly. The thing I'm worried about is mentally pushing myself like I'm still in shape, when my body is nowhere near ready to handle that level of intensity/volume. So slow and steady goes the pace.

Goals are to hit 225 on the scale and participate in all my club's games in the upcoming fall Rugby season.

Posted by: jreffy at August 01, 2016 05:48 PM (3tHt7)

133
With the coconut oil, I only wake up once or twice per night, and I don't have those horrible patches where my mouth is painfully dry but i'm not *quite* awake -- just awake enough that I'm not getting the benefits of sleep.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:43 PM (dciA+)

I've not been following the health thing here lately, but, at the risk of being impertinent ( and getting my ass banned), what's wrong with you Ace?

Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 05:48 PM (d6TTt)

134 I saw Bone Broth open for Arch Enemy at the Granada in 2000.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 01, 2016 05:49 PM (VdICR)

135 129 Posted by: @votermom at August 01, 2016 05:47 PM (7lVbc)

Maybe, for someone else.

I drink coffee and my SVT Tachycardia decides I need to have a resting heartrate of 250 or so....

doesn't do that if I sip a soda, or drink brewed tea....

for whatever reason my heart decided that coffee should trigger a response that makes my teen use of uppers seem slow.

It sucks getting old, definitely is not for the weak.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 05:49 PM (SzZnW)

136
Mankind has been eating food for 10s of thousands of years. How come they are just now coming up with all these new ideas about losing weight?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 01, 2016 05:49 PM (iQIUe)

137 Posted by: Sabrina Chase at August 01, 2016 05:46 PM (Oa+Fj)

Awesome! Those are the best kind of recipes.
My hubby has one for flan.

Posted by: @votermom at August 01, 2016 05:49 PM (7lVbc)

138 If you get a pressure cooker you can make bone broth in no time.

Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 05:50 PM (sIj5E)

139 >>>So: Tell me your GAINS, brah!!

Um, I'd rather paint them.

Posted by: Thomas Gainsborough at August 01, 2016 05:50 PM (D2kY1)

140 Oh, ace at Costco, forgot the pre cooked Angus burgers! 280 cal a patty and they are big. Two minutes in the micro wave from being frozen.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 05:50 PM (F1iXz)

141 I have dry mouth when I sleep and I was told to try putting some coconut
oil in my mouth before sleep, or when I wake up due to dry mouth.



ace, how do you do this? Just swoosh some around before you fall asleep? I sometimes wake up with such a dry mouth that I get a sore throat and no humidifier has been able to help.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 01, 2016 05:50 PM (+eR2D)

142 By the by, I have lost those 20+ pounds almost exclusively by fasting. I'm not really doing low carb; I'm eating more or less like I was before (like, as a moviegique, I eat a shitton of popcorn).

Two major caveats:

1) My homecooked meals (which are far fewer) have what Tim Ferris calls "slow carbs". Imperial rice, barley, millet. No white devils (white bread, white potatos, sugar's right out).

2) Because I'm fasting most of the time, I've cut out most of my snacking opportunities. That eliminates most of the real junk food, like chips, pretzels, cookies, and the like.

I'm at the stage where fasting has led to a smaller apetite rather than a larger one, which is weird.

Saves a lot of money, though. Eating's expensive.

Posted by: moviegique at August 01, 2016 05:51 PM (7zeA4)

143 I have done Keto before many times to cut weight for athletic events. And coincidentally, I am beginning one right now.

Starting stats from this morning
206 lbs
19.9% BF (measured with electro impedance)
31.5 inch waist

I am going to get as low as I can before an endurance even on 9/9. Likely below 180. From experience, I know the first 10 pounds will be the water weight Ace is talking about here.

I'll keep posting each week. Good luck everyone

Posted by: TeamRawDog at August 01, 2016 05:51 PM (ab2et)

144 I lost a couple of pounds since last week. Which is a pretty good start. I cut out 99.99% of the refined/processed sugar and cut back on bread/snacks.

I'm eating more lean meat, veggies, and fruit for dessert instead of junk. Also, I've been able to tighten my belt a notch.

Posted by: willy at August 01, 2016 05:51 PM (Ffw22)

145 Not that I'm advocating paleo - though they have some good ideas and good recipes -- but if you think about what human ancestors evolved eating for tens of thousands of years, it was meat, eggs, vegetables, fruits, and nuts. Not boat loads of grains, and certainly not refined sugar. It makes sense that our bodies respond better to the former.

200 years ago people barely ate sugar. We didn't have it, only from fruit and maybe honey. Now the average American eats something like 150 pounds of sugar a year.

Cutting carbs makes sense.

Posted by: brak at August 01, 2016 05:51 PM (j4Buv)

146 " How come they are just now coming up with all these new ideas about losing weight?"

Because the government screwed everyone up with their stupid pyramid and now we have to reset.

Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 05:51 PM (sIj5E)

147 About six years ago I was aboard a ship in the Andaman Sea, standing the midwatch. There was a loud "thud" on the port bridge wing, it sounded exactly like a watertight door being slammed.

Furious that some careless clown had earned me a querulous phone call from the Chief Engineer, whose stateroom was directly below, I stepped out onto the wing. And tripped on a body. It was one of those things where you knew right away was underfoot.

In my flashlight was my lookout, lying with every muscle tensed, his back arched, eyes rolled back and Cheyn-Stokes breathing. There was a strong odor of solvent which I attributed to a leftover canof thinner being kicked over.

I called my rover on the radio and told him to lay to the bridge, bringing the medical officer on his way. I also called the Captain, who was there before the rover and Doc. I asked the rover if the guy has any medical issues, he said "Diabetes, I think" and it clicked. That wasn't paint thinner I smelled, it was ketoacidosis. When Doc arrived I briefed him and said "I think he's diabetic" and Doc responded "Hell, everything's wrong with him."

Turned out he had lots of other medical problems, somehow had managed to stay in a fit for duty status. And ketoacidosis was not his biggest problem - he was experiencing renal shutdown.

We sent the rover down to berthing to bring up all of this guys' meds, and he showed up with a handful of empty bottles. He'd run out and figured he'd be able to make it back to CONUS... problem was, we were still a month away when he had his seizure.

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at August 01, 2016 05:51 PM (YOCGB)

148 Damn I was too late

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 01, 2016 05:51 PM (VdICR)

149 I've not been following the health thing here lately, but, at the risk of being impertinent ( and getting my ass banned), what's wrong with you Ace?
Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 05:48 PM (d6TTt)

==============

He lacks a dog.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 01, 2016 05:52 PM (iQIUe)

150 >>>This weekend I was at a retreat where I wasn't in control of the menu but was still able to avoid carbs. Not many fatty foods were served so I mostly ate proteins. (Chicken breast one night, seafood another night,) Over the weekend I ate lunch both days but kept it lite. I drank some wine and whiskey but overall my alcohol consumption for the week was far less than 10% of my pre July 7 normal. (July 7 being the date Ace posted the first LCHF thread)

there's a blogger who lost, he says, 180 pounds in a year. His blog is livin' la vida low-carb or something.

Anyway, his suggestion is to ask your waiter to bring extra butter with meat and fish. Then you just put the butter on. They don't mind bringing it.

He actually adds like a half a stick of butter which sounds excessive to me but, whatever, it works for him.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:52 PM (dciA+)

151 My health regime includes copious amounts of cocaine and a regular buggering by Reggie. Easy peasy.

Posted by: Barak Insane Obamao at August 01, 2016 05:52 PM (22uju)

152 oh that guy's book is Keto Clarity.

worth reading.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:52 PM (dciA+)

153 Posted by: Floyd Winston at August 01, 2016 05:47 PM (0CKeS)
It's the drinking that really messes me up. If I drink, I'm starving when I get home and make bad choices. The next day I want to eat tacos and beans and rice with hot salsa.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 05:53 PM (eU/yZ)

154 ace, how do you do this? Just swoosh some around
before you fall asleep? I sometimes wake up with such a dry mouth that I
get a sore throat and no humidifier has been able to help.


Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 01, 2016 05:50 PM (+eR2D)

Mrs Barney never wakes up with a "Dry Mouth"

Posted by: Barney at August 01, 2016 05:53 PM (F1iXz)

155
- I lost all my weight while drinking booze. No beer/wine. Scotch and soda worked for me.

Posted by: Floyd Winston at August 01, 2016 05:47 PM (0CKeS)


whew..1-2 vodkas, counted in my calories and carbs as a 'snack' in my tracker.

Posted by: Goomba at August 01, 2016 05:53 PM (tf/6I)

156 >>The brain can run on both glucose and ketones; I have a feeling that a rush of glucose (or a sudden drop in glucose due to insulin) is what prompts seizures.

That is interesting; I had a doctor who had the same theory. Years ago, too, before all this stuff was in the mainstream.

Posted by: moviegique at August 01, 2016 05:53 PM (7zeA4)

157 136 Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 01, 2016 05:49 PM (iQIUe)

We are so wealthy as a culture we are insane in the LITERAL sense to have members of it bitching about "Drive-by for 15"....

yes we have skewed body image issues I think, and we are selfish in not appreciating our life-expectancy gains allowing us to have ugly corpses.....

My great-grandmother thought the amount of white bread we all got to eat including my grandmother was scandalous BECAUSE her generation thought it was a treat.

We have gotten too efficient at too easy a set of junk food.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 05:53 PM (SzZnW)

158 *raises hand to ask again*


Does drinking fruit juice and alcohol disrupt the benefits of fasting if one is otherwise not eating?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 01, 2016 05:54 PM (mgbwf)

159

Soon.

Posted by: that weight you "lost" at August 01, 2016 05:54 PM (qtgOZ)

160 I'm gonna give some more fitness advice. Worth a ton of money. First of all, everyone has an optimal fitness profile. Which is gauged by appearance. Waist size, arm size, chest size, leg size, etc. The scale is totally useless in determining your fitness profile.

At the exact moment when you're giving up is the moment when good shit is happening, if you're tracking the right stuff. Same weight? Yeah, but you gained a quarter inch in arms and lost a quarter inch in quads. Think that's nothing? Sorry, but you're a dumbass.

Track your arms, your waist, your chest, the fattest part of your legs. Something is changing. Even though the scale does not record a change, if you're doing that right thing, good things are happening.

It might be hard to believe, but gaining or losing a quarter inch in a problem area can be a powerful indication or Incentive.

Scales are for dummies. The tale of the tape is everything.

Posted by: free range sort of conservative at August 01, 2016 05:54 PM (ZnIt3)

161 Posted by: Floyd Winston at August 01, 2016 05:47 PM (0CKeS)
It's the drinking that really messes me up. If I drink, I'm starving when I get home and make bad choices. The next day I want to eat tacos and beans and rice with hot salsa.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 05:53 PM (eU/yZ)

I suppose going on the wagon for say 3 months is crazy talk? Just as a test.

Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 05:55 PM (d6TTt)

162 >>>ace, how do you do this? Just swoosh some around before you fall asleep? I sometimes wake up with such a dry mouth that I get a sore throat and no humidifier has been able to help.

I brush my teeth (and gums and tongue) with it, then I put in a small amount and woosh it around. then I have a shotglass of it next to the bed and a spit cup for when I wake up with dry mouth. When I wake up, I drink water and let it sink in, then when I've replenished the liquid in my mouth, I woosh the oil in my mouth for a minute then spit it out.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:56 PM (dciA+)

163 If you want to be in good shape, you need to identify as female.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 01, 2016 05:56 PM (D2kY1)

164 Bandersnatch,

Typically you want to avoid anything over 50 calories. So fruit juice is right out, that stuff is only slightly better than soda. It's practically liquid sugar.

Alchohol probably isn't going to give you that high a calorie count, but alchohol has other effects you'd rather avoid, at least if you're looking to go SUPER strict.

Posted by: jreffy at August 01, 2016 05:56 PM (3tHt7)

165 Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 05:51 PM (sIj5E)
One of my personal theories is the corn farmers had great lobbyists. The cattle farmers and row crop growers don't.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 05:56 PM (eU/yZ)

166 Like i said, it does't get rid of it, but it does diminish the intensity of it.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 05:56 PM (dciA+)

167 Bandersnatch, yeah, the drinks have carbs so they probably push you out of your fasting state.

Posted by: @votermom at August 01, 2016 05:56 PM (7lVbc)

168 Keep up the good work all ya'll on the plan.

Drink lots of water and exercise.

When your healthy and feel good about yourself the world is a much nicer place.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 01, 2016 05:57 PM (ej1L0)

169 >>> I will bet you one hundred dollars all of your cholesterol/triglyceride markers improve if you stay on low carb -- and in fact eating steak will drive them into a positive direction.

I hope you win that bet, Ace.

Posted by: Doug Winship at August 01, 2016 05:57 PM (RTofo)

170 I have the opposite problem, I need to maintain weight. I wish to do it healthy though. I love meat but, I need some side options. My go to sides are not allowed, or just old and stale.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 01, 2016 05:57 PM (6Ll1u)

171 Does drinking fruit juice and alcohol disrupt the benefits of fasting if one is otherwise not eating?
=======

Nah. Go for it.

Posted by: that weight you "lost" at August 01, 2016 05:57 PM (qtgOZ)

172 I can not lose weight drinking much. Remember your liver processes alcohol before anything else, including fat. It goes to the front of the line.




ace, you take any vitamins or supplements? I usually have whey protein shake or some Premier Protein shake, again at Costco. 160 Cal, 30 grams of protein

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 05:58 PM (F1iXz)

173 >118 After two weeks of near-zero carbs (maybe 5 grams per day) and intermittent fasting nearly every day, I'm down exactly 10 pounds, from 200 to 190.0.

>However: I cheated. I weighed myself this morning...after I got up last night at 2am to absolutely shit my guts out. Brutal -- abdominal cramps til every last bit was out of there. I never do that. Not sure what I did wrong -- ate undercooked eggs, maybe, 16 hours before?


After about 2 weeks the carb loving gut funa starts dying off. In death is releases a lot of toxins that can cause the runs. It stops after a few days. I had the same problem 2 weeks in on keto.

Posted by: BomberCommand at August 01, 2016 05:58 PM (7us0J)

174 "Scales are for dummies. The tale of the tape is everything."

Yeah my sister is a fitness blogger and she makes this point all the time. She stared at 130, lost weight down to 115, then gained back up to 125 with muscles.

The before and after pics are dramatic. She was never fat, obviously, but the body composition is totally different.

Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 05:58 PM (sIj5E)

175 ..."are you stalking me?
That's so sweet!
"
-Posted by: |m| fka Mortimer at August 01, 2016 05:37 PM (qtgOZ)

*HAH!*

I left a note for you on the last thread, amigo!

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 01, 2016 05:58 PM (6gk0M)

176 Does drinking fruit juice and alcohol disrupt the benefits of fasting if one is otherwise not eating?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 01, 2016 05:54 PM (mgbwf)

I would yes, it disrupts the fast because real fruit juice contains a lot of sugar. A lot. And it doesn't matter if your sugar comes from fruit juice, rice, pasta or pecan pie...sugar is sugar.
Now a gin tonic with DIET tonic water (which has zero calories) would be a different thing. Real tonic water is also loaded with sugar.

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 05:58 PM (yxupc)

177 What did you do to your shoulder Ace?

Posted by: Timon at August 01, 2016 05:58 PM (396pH)

178 10 years ago ketosis could cause major kidney damage.
Now Ketosis is a good thing. So what gives?

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at August 01, 2016 05:58 PM (p/bSX)

179 I kinda sorta did Creighton for a few years but I didn't use the stickers, just the Kindara ap. I like that Creighton gives you more objective measurements that Billings, but while nursing my last baby I was in "yellow stickers" for like 3 months.

I really like that you can have a NaPro doc review your cycle with Creighton though.

Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 05:40 PM (sIj5E)
Yes, my NaPro doctor is who got me onto Creighton. I set up a spreadsheet so I didn't have to use the stickers. I just print it before my appointments.

I'm fighting PCOS, infertility, miscarriage, secondary infertility, low progesterone during pregnancy, low progesterone and estrogen all the time, and insulin resistance.

Posted by: mullingthingsover.com at August 01, 2016 05:59 PM (NrMU9)

180 Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 05:55 PM (d6TTt)
I do really well as long as we don't go to a function. Then I'm the drunk one because I haven't been drinking a lot. I'm on day 11 without a drink. I miss my wine.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 05:59 PM (eU/yZ)

181 I heard somewhere that all diets work, because all diets reduce calories. So pick one you like, I guess.

Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 05:59 PM (d6TTt)

182 I use as my goals in my tracker:

Carbs - 5%
Fat- 65%
Protein- 30%


Posted by: Goomba at August 01, 2016 05:59 PM (tf/6I)

183 Fasting will cause the stomach to eventually shrink thus less hunger signals. Natures way of stomach stapling.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 01, 2016 05:59 PM (yIPKR)

184 >>136
Mankind has been eating food for 10s of thousands of years. How come they are just now coming up with all these new ideas about losing weight?

That's the joke: They aren't new ideas. They're forgotten old ones.

We've been screwed by "progress"! Again!

Posted by: moviegique at August 01, 2016 06:00 PM (7zeA4)

185 >>>
ace, you take any vitamins or supplements? I usually have whey protein shake or some Premier Protein shake, again at Costco. 160 Cal, 30 grams of protein


yeah I take lot of supplements but not protein, which I figure i'm getting enough of. I do take BCAAs before and after I work out, as well as Vitamin D from cod oil, fish oil for Omega 3's, reservatol (anti-oxidant), magnesium/calcium for electrolytes, and a multivitamin (which I remember to take it).

i've also started wtih Vintage Burn (to up fat burning) and Vintage Boost (to up testosterone) but I really doubt that stuff works. But I'm doing it anyway, for the placebo effec.t

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 06:01 PM (dciA+)

186 oh and on commenter's recommendation I bought CynSulin cinammon capsules, but I haven't gotten those yet.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 06:02 PM (dciA+)

187 Anyone see those pics of the girl fitness blogger at 145, 122, and 140?

She is smoking at 140

Posted by: Yo! at August 01, 2016 06:02 PM (GwIKd)

188 Colors have magical properties too. After careful study, I have discovered that the girls at the gym with the - uh, "juicy" butts look quite amazing in the black or navy blue stretchy pants. Not the same in white or hot pink, unfortunately. Still need more study. So I lurk behind the Stairmasters....

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 01, 2016 06:02 PM (b/WXn)

189 "I'm fighting PCOS, infertility, miscarriage, secondary infertility, low progesterone during pregnancy, low progesterone and estrogen all the time, and insulin resistance."

Oh wow! It sounds like a really good sign that you potentially ovulated this month then!

Are you doing progesterone shots?

Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 06:03 PM (sIj5E)

190 So, how are your stools on this diet?

Posted by: olddog in mo at August 01, 2016 06:03 PM (Dhht7)

191 I started doing my version of low carb on 1 Feb after an ONT that discussed low carb and weight loss...kicked off by, I believe qdpsteve.

For me on low carb, I eliminated the following:

1. All sweets.

2. Pasta.

3. Rice.

4. Potatoes.

5. Bread.

Other than eliminating those 5 foods, I don't count carbs.

Today is 6 months since I started...and as of this morning, I'm down 30 pounds exactly.

I picked up IF after Ace's initial post on the subject, and that has accelerated my fat loss, the proof being in the waistline of my jeans.

Very, very, very happy with IF.

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 06:03 PM (yxupc)

192 Black Lives Matter releases demands.

WW1 era France blushes at terms.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/zyjpwvl

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apperently nonvoting democrat at August 01, 2016 06:04 PM (3Liv/)

193 A shot of vodka is about 60cal. Technically it counts as a carb, but is not metabolized as much. I added a column to my spreadsheet and tracked this intake.

At the peak of my booziness, I was averaging 10-15 shots per day and still losing 4 pounds per week. Technically, I was getting more calories from ethanol than food.

My problem is I don't get hungover. I drink until I black out. Alarm goes off at 6 and I feel great and do it all over again. And then 20 years goes by.

I drove myself to detox 4.5 years ago. Maybe there will be a thread for /that/ fun project.

Posted by: Floyd Winston at August 01, 2016 06:04 PM (0CKeS)

194 >190 So, how are your stools on this diet?

Less frequent and easier.

Posted by: BomberCommand at August 01, 2016 06:04 PM (7us0J)

195 >>>177 What did you do to your shoulder Ace?


Well, the injury is a strained rotator cuff. How I got it is a mystery, because the last workout I had (deadlift, goblet squat, bench press) was FOUR DAYS before I experienced pain/stifness in the shoulder.

I've never heard of an injury taking four days to gestate. I had no sign of any problem after I worked out.

But I cannot think of anything that could have caused it except the workout. Maybe I just slept on it all night or something? No idea.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 06:04 PM (dciA+)

196 Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 05:55 PM (d6TTt)
I do really well as long as we don't go to a function. Then I'm the drunk one because I haven't been drinking a lot. I'm on day 11 without a drink. I miss my wine.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 05:59 PM (eU/yZ)


Word. I'm an exdrinker myself. I mentioned upthread that I was having a malt beverage with my dinner tonight. True statement. I keep the NA business afloat. Kaliber is a great NA beer. Made by Guinness.
When I was practicing my craft, I had a stringy carny type body. Now I'm comfortably filled out. Don't care much about my weight as long as I am able to do the things I like to do.
This weight thing can become obsessive, and lots of vanity can come into play for some folks.

Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 06:04 PM (d6TTt)

197 193 Posted by: Floyd Winston at August 01, 2016 06:04 PM (0CKeS)

The first 5 years are hardest.

sven<---- 15.5 years sober

Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 06:05 PM (SzZnW)

198 Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 06:01 PM (dciA+)
What brand of reservatol do you use? What brands of supplements do you use?

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 06:05 PM (eU/yZ)

199 >193 A shot of vodka is about 60cal. Technically it counts as a carb, but is not metabolized as much. I added a column to my spreadsheet and tracked this intake.

Ethanol is not a carb in that it doesn't spike blood glucose.

Posted by: BomberCommand at August 01, 2016 06:05 PM (7us0J)

200 188 Colors have magical properties too. After careful study, I have discovered that the girls at the gym with the - uh, "juicy" butts look quite amazing in the black or navy blue stretchy pants. Not the same in white or hot pink, unfortunately. Still need more study. So I lurk behind the Stairmasters....

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 01, 2016 06:02 PM (b/WXn)


Well I'm just not gonna wear blue or black stretchy pants to look good.

Posted by: Goomba at August 01, 2016 06:06 PM (tf/6I)

201 Yoga pants don't lie

Posted by: Yo! at August 01, 2016 06:06 PM (GwIKd)

202 >>>190 So, how are your stools on this diet?

small, infrequent, and a little frustrating, because I want to drop a deuce before my morning weigh-in, and sometimes it's just barely worthy of the name.

but then, since you're eating less garbage, you have less garbage to eliminate.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 06:06 PM (dciA+)

203 I saw that the Feds are going to try and shut down/ regulate the supplements industry, again. It's going to catch one of these times, and they totes aren't doing it because of lobbying. Or extra tax money.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 01, 2016 06:07 PM (6Ll1u)

204 196 Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 06:04 PM (d6TTt)

Trust me I am lifesaving not bodybuilding....

It's been a long time since I fretted over being "cute enough" I am 22 years into my marriage today.....

if either of us HAVE to impress the other that hard we've done something really wrong.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 06:07 PM (SzZnW)

205 144 -- Willy

I'd watch out for the "lean meat". The whole worship of lean meat comes from the idea that fat is bad. But it'll spike your blood sugar, in some cases as bad as carbs.

(And I've always been a lean meat guy...)

Posted by: moviegique at August 01, 2016 06:07 PM (7zeA4)

206 I drove myself to detox 4.5 years ago. Maybe there will be a thread for /that/ fun project.


I would like a thread about that.

I am in outwardly good shape, but I'm pretty much an alcohol metabolizing device lately and I doubt that's good for me.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 01, 2016 06:07 PM (mgbwf)

207 Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 06:03 PM (yxupc)
Good job!!

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 06:07 PM (eU/yZ)

208 I had diabetes and I followed ace's diet and NOW I'M DYING! Ace is a murderer! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGH!!!!

Posted by: Khizr Khan at August 01, 2016 06:08 PM (D2kY1)

209 202 >>>190 So, how are your stools on this diet?

small, infrequent, and a little frustrating, because I want to drop a deuce before my morning weigh-in, and sometimes it's just barely worthy of the name.

but then, since you're eating less garbage, you have less garbage to eliminate.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 06:06 PM (dciA+)


Yeah, you are converting about everything you take in. Not much to spare.

Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 06:08 PM (d6TTt)

210 206 Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 01, 2016 06:07 PM (mgbwf)

It'd probably be a good thread, maybe Sunday mornings?

Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 06:08 PM (SzZnW)

211 Yeah my sister is a fitness blogger and she makes this point all the time. She stared at 130, lost weight down to 115, then gained back up to 125 with muscles. The before and after pics are dramatic. She was never fat, obviously, but the body composition is totally different.Posted by: Lauren


I'm gonna take a chance at losing my man card by not demanding pics, but I don't need them.

I know it's true. I've seen it in person.

Gaining weight and going from overweight to oh-my-gawd hot? Yeah. It's true.

Posted by: free range sort of conservative at August 01, 2016 06:08 PM (ZnIt3)

212 Oh yeah, and I dropped 2 pounds since last Monday, after losing 3 pounds the previous week.

As Ace said up thread, your losses tend to slow down after 20 lbs. The good news is you keep losing.

The most eye-opening thing for me about IF is that I can work out in the fasted state. Not just work out, but complete a real ball-buster workout. And never get the shakes, feel light-headed...nothing. Just blast thru that puppy.

Never in a million years did I think I could do that.

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 06:08 PM (yxupc)

213 Thank you, ace!

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at August 01, 2016 06:09 PM (+eR2D)

214 but then, since you're eating less garbage, you have less garbage to eliminate.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 06:06 PM (dciA+)

Maybe you need the squatty potty

Posted by: spypeach at August 01, 2016 06:09 PM (nyYhO)

215 Never heard of Vintage Boost. You think it works for old guys, I am retired.



I am taking all the stuff you are but with more shit for joints and heart, Coq10, aspirin, Turmeric, Boswella, Niacin , B12, and Metamucil.



Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 06:09 PM (F1iXz)

216 "I had diabetes and I followed ace's diet and NOW I'M DYING! Ace is a murderer! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGH!!!!"
-Posted by: Khizr Khan at August 01, 2016 06:08 PM (D2kY1)

This guy is probably lying.

For some reason.

His name sounds like it comes from Louisiana and they lie a lot.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 01, 2016 06:10 PM (6gk0M)

217 Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 06:07 PM (SzZnW)
I feel better about myself when my clothes fit well and I'm in shape. I've been married longer than that, I think my husband prefers me slim.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 06:10 PM (eU/yZ)

218 112 He can't make you take them.

I'm just sayin'.


Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 05:44 PM (yxupc)

Do you know how hard it is to get a new doctor now?

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 01, 2016 06:11 PM (mpXpK)

219 Question. Basically, This about getting your body to recognize and burn fat for energy correct?

So should I have a blast of coconut oil before a workout?

Posted by: Goomba at August 01, 2016 06:11 PM (tf/6I)

220 I'd like to have gains. I used to work out like a fiend. Now that I have an autoimmune disease trashing my joints, it's pretty much impossible. I maintain my weight by eating very little. It's not the greatest plan, but all my pants still fit despite the lack of exercise.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at August 01, 2016 06:11 PM (0mRoj)

221
Alcoholics are always in ketosis. You can smell it.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 01, 2016 06:11 PM (iQIUe)

222 #114

I wouldn't call what I've done so far a hard lift. I last used a gym in the 90s and haven't had any real regular exercise regimen since. There was usually a treadmill in the house but I never used nearly as much as I should have. I still regard my workout as working up from being a slug without any real intensity thus far. About three quarters of the time, when I go to use a machine, I have to adjust the settings wayyy down. The highest weight I'm doing right now is 70 pounds.

I'm taking it really slow. This is as much for fighting the depression as to improve physically. I have a really severe motivation problem that makes me just sit around the house, so I desperately need the activity just to keep my head together. It's like being a recovering drunk or addict with any of the drinking or drugs.

Posted by: Epobirs at August 01, 2016 06:12 PM (IdCqF)

223 I hear you sven. I never was much to look at, and age has not helped. Interesting to hear you are part of the nondrinking brotherhood. I figure everything has just been gravy for me after that stopped. Happy to wake up alive every day, for my part.

Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 06:12 PM (d6TTt)

224 I've never heard of an injury taking four days to gestate. I had no sign of any problem after I worked out.

But I cannot think of anything that could have caused it except the workout. Maybe I just slept on it all night or something? No idea.



Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 06:04 PM (dciA+)

Oh, I've had my left labrum repaired twice along with distal clavicle osteolysis repaired. Rehab sucked both times.

Posted by: Timon at August 01, 2016 06:12 PM (396pH)

225 First time posting to the medical thread. I'm close to my 44th birthday, and would like to lose at least 50 pounds, going from 300 to 250, by the time I hit 45.

I actually have lost a good bit of weight over the past few years. My peak was at the start of 2012 when I tipped the scales at 347 pounds. Cutting out sugar sodas helped me lose about 10 pounds almost overnight, and the rest over the years I attribute to getting my BP and diabetes under control, and also eating more home meals and better portion control.

It hasn't been a steady decline though, and I've kinda hit a wall around the 300 pound mark. Recently my wife and I have been going to the gym around once a week (finally using gym memberships we've had for forever), but i know that's not enough to get any health or fitness benefits. And I'm not getting any younger, I know it's just going to get harder the longer I put off making any real changes.

So I am really interested in intermittent fasting as a fat loss technique. I know I need to talk with my doctor first as I am type 2 diabetic, but if she clears it I definately want to give it a try.

In any case, as Ace says, what is measured gets reduced. So I'm pledging to post my weight on the health thread every Monday, plus the previous weeks exercise.

My most recent weigh-in, I kid you not, was exactly 300 pounds, this was Saturday morning. No exercise last week, though.

Thanks folks. And thanks Ace for this new weekly thread!

Posted by: SummBoddie at August 01, 2016 06:12 PM (pmDCl)

226 217 Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 06:10 PM (eU/yZ)

Certainly, as does wife for me and me for her.

Of course she is in pretty good shape.

She gets 300s on her PT tests etc etc.

I carry my weight well for the most part, but I will never be the 165 pound stud I was when I limped home after getting hurt.

Accepting that allows realistic goals.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 06:13 PM (SzZnW)

227 Well, the injury is a strained rotator cuff. How I got it is a mystery,
because the last workout I had (deadlift, goblet squat, bench press) was
FOUR DAYS before I experienced pain/stifness in the shoulder.



ace, DO NOT FUCK IT UP. Build muscle to protect that shoulder.


I've torn both of my rotator cuff, left twice, right three times. They will not repair them again, nothing left to attach.



Next stop? Shoulder replacement. I take cortisone shots every six months, but they are no fun.




I torn mine originally playing hand ball, but that was a long long time ago. As you get old, they aren't as flexible and they tear.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 06:14 PM (F1iXz)

228 "Alcoholics are always in ketosis. You can smell it."
-Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 01, 2016 06:11 PM (iQIUe)

They smell like beer and gin, but mostly alcohol.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 01, 2016 06:14 PM (6gk0M)

229 As for booze, beer is teh debbil. Wine has widely varying carb levels. Most liquor has no carbs... Effectively at least. I certainly haven't had any negative impact on my weight loss while still consuming 2-3 generous cocktails a day.

Be careful if you like rum, however. Many dark and even gold rums are produced with "dosage", which means added sugars and caramels (BIRM). Liqueurs are ALL carb laden.

If you order a cocktail at a bar, all too many have simple syrup in them and NOT listed on the menu. I keep wanting to do a series of blog posts about drinking on a low-carb diet, but I don't want to, you know, get arrested the next time I drive through North Carolina....

Posted by: Doug Winship at August 01, 2016 06:14 PM (RTofo)

230 RE: diabetes, for a great resource for both Type 1 and Type 2, check out Richard K. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution. HE talks extensively about how to manage/mitigate both conditions. It is also excellent even if you do not have diabetes, as we can all learn more about controlling blood sugar, hormone levels, fat storage, etc.

Posted by: ME at August 01, 2016 06:14 PM (Bd4jQ)

231 223 Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 06:12 PM (d6TTt)

Life is hard enough sober, I can't understand why I made it harder with drinking for 15 and a half years.

(I started at 12)

Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 06:14 PM (SzZnW)

232 Starting 16 hour fast tonight

I always stopped at 195. I haven't seen 180 since HS.

Posted by: daveintexas at August 01, 2016 06:15 PM (Lz/sK)

233
Last week I came down with pneumonia. Nothing really terrible, my temperature was slightly high, but mostly I felt achy and needed sleep. There was no nausea but I had no appetite, so I decided to make the most of it. I just drank water and gatorade for a week and lost the twenty pounds I've been trying to lose for the past four years.

Unconventional, but it worked.


Posted by: Levin at August 01, 2016 06:15 PM (4RsUF)

234 >>>203 I saw that the Feds are going to try and shut down/ regulate the supplements industry, again.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 01, 2016 06:07 PM (6Ll1u)

Ephedrine ban was probably the worst. Used to be you could get pure ephedrine pills. Awesome stuff.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 01, 2016 06:15 PM (b/WXn)

235 Next stop? Shoulder replacement. I take cortisone shots every six months, but they are no fun.


Mmmm...cortisone shots. The first time they come at you with that needle it looks like it's about three feet long. Aspiration needles aren't much better when they drain fluid out of you. "You're going to stick THAT in my knee??!!"

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at August 01, 2016 06:15 PM (0mRoj)

236 Do you know how hard it is to get a new doctor now?


Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 01, 2016 06:11 PM (mpXpK)

I'm not saying tell your doctor to fuck off...I'm saying take the statins home with you and simply leave them in the cupboard. PRETEND you're taking them. See what happens to your cholesterol level.

One way to monitor your cholesterol w/o your doctor knowing: give blood. They check, among other things, your cholesterol level. I donate every 56 days...my cholesterol has gone from 182 (1 Feb) to 144 (last week).

The only change for me: HFLC and IF.
It's just a thought.

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 06:16 PM (yxupc)

237 Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 06:04 PM (d6TTt
Good for you. I can become obsessed. Don't want to go too far.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 06:16 PM (eU/yZ)

238 235 Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at August 01, 2016 06:15 PM (0mRoj)

Cortisone wrecked my hip in a way.

The army gave me motrin for my hip injury, went home to a USAF town and the clinic gave me cortisone shots....

I pushed it way too hard b/c it felt way too good.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 06:17 PM (SzZnW)

239 Mmmm...cortisone shots. The first time they come at
you with that needle it looks like it's about three feet long.
Aspiration needles aren't much better when they drain fluid out of you.
"You're going to stick THAT in my knee??!!"

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at August 01, 2016 06:15 PM (0mRoj)

True dat. I only let one Dr stab me. I've had stupid nurses miss the tear and basically waste the shot after digging around for the spot.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 06:18 PM (F1iXz)

240 @236

Walgreens and Rite Aid sell Chol checks. I think they charge $50.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 06:19 PM (F1iXz)

241 Cortisone wrecked my hip in a way.

The army gave me motrin for my hip injury, went home to a USAF town and the clinic gave me cortisone shots....

I pushed it way too hard b/c it felt way too good.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 01, 2016 06:17 PM (SzZnW)

Cortisone makes you feel great, so yeah there is that risk. The other problem is that over the long term it can weaken the connective tissue in whatever joint they're shooting it into, so there's that as well. I try to manage the pain and swelling by taking unholy amounts of ibuprofen. I'm also a little ways into a course of immunosuppressive drugs that hopefully will reduce this thing down to a dull roar, but it takes some time to reach full efficacy.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at August 01, 2016 06:19 PM (0mRoj)

242 Although I still feel quite flabby, well, because I can feel the big hunk of flab hanging off my belly, the exercise has made a difference beyond the weight loss. My shape has changed a bit and made many of my pants quite loose. I've seen this effect in the past when just adding regular treadmill use, making my waistline tuck in a bit.

I've added another notch to my belt to compensate, using the leather working tools my sister still has from her days of working with horses. Part of me dreads needing to buy a lot of new clothes if I get much slimmer and can no longer compensate with the belt tightening.

Posted by: Epobirs at August 01, 2016 06:19 PM (IdCqF)

243 Ace,

When your rotator cuff heals, keep doing the exercises for 'pre-hab.'

I've had rotator cuff issues over the years, and then finally, I began doing the rehab exercises as pre-hab 3 times a week. Takes about 10 minutes.

No more cuff issues.

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 06:19 PM (yxupc)

244 >>>What brand of reservatol do you use? What brands of supplements do you use?

Reservatol is one I got from whole foods on a whim from Garden of Life. I didn't plan on getting it. I just saw "Reservatol" and thought "I need to have that."

It was too expensive. I'm sure there's cheaper on Amazon.

The Cod Liver Oil for Vitamin D I'd recommend. It's Carlsen's Norweigen Cod Liver oil with Lemon Flavor. The Lemon disguises the taste of the cod liver. It tastes unobjectionable. It's loaded with Vitamin A and D. Many doctors say they would not recommend any vitamins outside of a good diet, *except* for Vitamin D, which humans today just don't have enough of. (Especially if you work indoors, and especially if you don't drink vitamin d enriched milk.)

The fish oil is Berlean's. Also from Whole Foods. Another impulse buy I did no research for. I just knew I had to get some Omega 3's.

I really would recommend the Carlsen's especially for people with depression-like symptoms. Vitamin D is the sunshine hormone. A lot of depression is caused by SADD or lack of sunlight.

btw this is another reason walking's good for you -- getting 30 minutes of sun on your skin improves mood and energy.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 06:20 PM (dciA+)

245 Walgreens and Rite Aid sell Chol checks. I think they charge $50.


Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 06:19 PM (F1iXz)

They're free if you give blood or platelets.

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 06:20 PM (yxupc)

246 >>>I've had rotator cuff issues over the years, and then finally, I began doing the rehab exercises as pre-hab 3 times a week. Takes about 10 minutes.

No more cuff issues.

...

i've been thinking that. Thanks for encouraging me.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 06:21 PM (dciA+)

247 "I'm also a little ways into a course of immunosuppressive drugs that hopefully will reduce this thing down to a dull roar, but it takes some time to reach full efficacy."

Methotrexate?

Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 06:21 PM (sIj5E)

248 Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 06:04 PM (d6TTt
Good for you. I can become obsessed. Don't want to go too far.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 01, 2016 06:16 PM (eU/yZ)

Reread my post. Did not mean to come off preachy or sanctimonious. Guess what I was trying to go for was, personally, life is short, and I just try and deal with my attitude, or my internals, rather than my externals. But that is a purely personal thing, and I wasn't trying to lay it off on you, or anyone else either. So

Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 06:21 PM (d6TTt)

249 True dat. I only let one Dr stab me. I've had stupid nurses miss the tear and basically waste the shot after digging around for the spot.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 06:18 PM (F1iXz)

Yeah, that sucks. Fortunately I've only had Drs (one time a PA-C) administer the needle and they've been really good.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at August 01, 2016 06:21 PM (0mRoj)

250 247 "I'm also a little ways into a course of immunosuppressive drugs that hopefully will reduce this thing down to a dull roar, but it takes some time to reach full efficacy."

Methotrexate?
Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 06:21 PM (sIj5E)

Humira. Methotrexate jacks up my liver.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at August 01, 2016 06:22 PM (0mRoj)

251 @241

Motrin is just ibuprofen with a hospital name to charge you more.



Shots will eventually eat your joints, that's why two shoulder replacements are probably in my future.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 06:22 PM (F1iXz)

252 >>I've added another notch to my belt to compensate, using the leather working tools my sister still has from her days of working with horses.

My belt just became useless, so that's good. I don't have a hole-punch though.

I have to find that old belt -- the one I used before I got fat.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 06:22 PM (dciA+)

253 Look for 7 minute Rotator Cuff Solution. You can probably download a PDF. Good program.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 01, 2016 06:23 PM (b/WXn)

254 Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 06:20

Nip's got mo money than blood or platelets.

Posted by: Golfman - Conservative Refugee seeking asylum at August 01, 2016 06:24 PM (48QDY)

255 "Humira. Methotrexate jacks up my liver."

I've heard good things about Humira. I'm pretty convinced methotrexate does nothing but fuck with the liver, but rheumatologists freaking love that crap.

Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 06:24 PM (sIj5E)

256 The most eye-opening thing for me about IF is that I can work out in the fasted state. Not just work out, but complete a real ball-buster workout. And never get the shakes, feel light-headed...nothing. Just blast thru that puppy.

Never in a million years did I think I could do that.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 06:08 PM (yxupc)

My workouts are always in the morning while I'm still fasting. Just have a small cup of coffee with cream on the way there.

Workouts usually last an hour, and I'd call them "moderately tough" since I'm just getting back into them and don't want to hurt myself somehow. I always feel great after, and can usually make it 'til noon before I eat something.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 01, 2016 06:24 PM (heN73)

257 Look for 7 minute Rotator Cuff Solution. You can probably download a PDF. Good program.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 01, 2016 06:23 PM (b/WXn)

As opposed to the 8 Minute Rotator Cuff Solution, which sucks.

Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 06:24 PM (d6TTt)

258 metamucil. works a charm.

Posted by: vivi at August 01, 2016 06:25 PM (11H2y)

259 Always warm up the rotator before lifting with a light dumbbell

Posted by: brak at August 01, 2016 06:25 PM (j4Buv)

260 Stretching is very important, but something I dropped but should do.
I had ACL surgery years ago and it was a very important part of therapy. I guess getting older it should become of a daily routine.

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2016 06:25 PM (bksJQ)

261 The fish oil is Berlean's. Also from Whole Foods. Another impulse buy I did no research for. I just knew I had to get some Omega 3's.


Um. I have to rant about this. Whatever Omega 3's are alleged to do, please get them from shrimp or some other non-fish-oil source.

Omega 3 supplements from fish oil come mostly from herring. Herring get ocean trawled up and down the coast and are in precipitous decline.

Herring are the primary intermediate forage fish between plankton and krill and the real valuable fish like striped bass and tuna.

When you wipe out the forage fish you wipe out the real fish.

Hardly anyone is concerned about herring but I am. They're not even used as real fish. They're caught by the metric fuckton to make placebos. It's like the worst use of a resource ever, even worse than catching them to use as fertilizer.

Seriously, please find a non-fish way of getting whateve Omega 3 is.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 01, 2016 06:25 PM (mgbwf)

262 Beer breath is gross.
Hard drink breath is ok.

Posted by: @votermom at August 01, 2016 06:26 PM (7lVbc)

263 Intermittent Fasting?

Piker.

Posted by: meth at August 01, 2016 06:26 PM (yWKHr)

264 The ketoacidosis thing is bullshit. I have no idea how it crept in, I assume doctors and assorted medical folk can't tell the difference between ketosis and ketoacidosis. It is virtually impossible to enter ketoacidosis eating ketogenically.

Also, my wife was type 2 diabetic when we began lchf within months her a1c fell from 11 to 4.5 and her blood sugars, which had hospitalized with 400's in the past became perfect in the low to mid 80's. No doctors were involved. All you have to do is pay attention to your sugars and as they drop decrease your medicine accordingly.

I highly recommend 'art and science of low carb' byvolek and phinney.

Posted by: Escoffier at August 01, 2016 06:26 PM (8W4CM)

265 Whatever you do don't get the omega 3 eggs. Unless you just want your eggs to taste like fish.

Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 06:26 PM (sIj5E)

266

They smell like beer and gin, but mostly alcohol.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at August 01, 2016 06:14 PM (6gk0M)

============
No, in the am they are blowing ketones.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 01, 2016 06:27 PM (iQIUe)

267 RE drinking and diet.

1/2 Gallon of bourbon has ~ 4500 calories, 0 cholesterol, 17 mg of Na, and 1g carbs.


Must be good for you.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 01, 2016 06:27 PM (mpXpK)

268 255 "Humira. Methotrexate jacks up my liver."

I've heard good things about Humira. I'm pretty convinced methotrexate does nothing but fuck with the liver, but rheumatologists freaking love that crap.
Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 06:24 PM (sIj5E)

I don't know about its efficacy. I do know it's a hell of a lot cheaper than Humira.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 01, 2016 06:27 PM (0mRoj)

269 Nip's got mo money than blood or platelets.





Posted by: Golfman - Conservative Refugee seeking asylum at August 01, 2016 06:24 PM (48QDY)

I don't have half a day to waste at the Red Cross. When you are retired, you have to fck off doing something totally worthless, like surfing the web.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 06:27 PM (F1iXz)

270 Correction: people who tied one on the night before blow ketones in the am. Drunks you can smell ketones on their breath almost all day.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 01, 2016 06:28 PM (iQIUe)

271 >>>So should I have a blast of coconut oil before a workout?

I don't know. I was having BCAAs before my workout sunday, and I thought: "Let me add cinnamon to boost metabolism and some coconut oil for a little kick off for ketosis."

An hour and a half later I was running to the grocery bathroom to poop out everything that wasn't nailed down.

I don't know if that caused it. But I don't think I'd do it again.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 06:28 PM (dciA+)

272 I will coin the dreaded "study says" phrase.
saw a long time study that said men taking fish oil did not decrease the cancers they were taking it to fight. In fact, it made their chances of having such cancer higher. It was a British study IIRC.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at August 01, 2016 06:29 PM (hVdx9)

273 262
Beer breath is gross.

Hard drink breath is ok.

Posted by: @votermom at August 01, 2016 06:26 PM (7lVbc)

Yeah, well wine and cheese breath will stop a truck.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 06:29 PM (F1iXz)

274

have you seen my work with Bill Clinton?

Posted by: AIDS. at August 01, 2016 06:29 PM (yWKHr)

275 Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 01, 2016 06:25 PM (mgbwf)

In NC we call them pogies. Or menhaden.

Posted by: Golfman - Conservative Refugee seeking asylum at August 01, 2016 06:29 PM (48QDY)

276 I have the opposite effect. I'm 6' 5' and have been between 215 to 235 most of my adult life. When I was working in RI last fall I started losing some weight, mostly the waist. That was fine by me. Now I'm below 200 for the first time since high school and there doesn't appear to be anything wrong with me, at least according to the doctors. I just don't eat the huge portions they serve down here because my appetite isn't there anymore. Getting old and losing muscle mass I guess.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at August 01, 2016 06:29 PM (62got)

277 Yes, I was reading -- many people with Type I go ketogenic. What causes ketoacidosis is a runaway condition caused by spiking blood sugar levels. With no insulin to contol things, the ketone generations runs away somehow.

Believe it or not, many doctors don't really know the difference between normal ketoisis and ketoacidosis and think "it's all bad" for a diabetic.

In fact, before insulin could be produced, very low carb was the only way to control diabetes.


Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 01, 2016 06:30 PM (DW+jj)

278 252
>>I've added another notch to my belt to compensate, using the
leather working tools my sister still has from her days of working with
horses.

Ha!

I did the same thing! Using our leather punch for saddles, bridles, etc., have punched new holes into my belts twice now.

Feels great to have to do that.

Plus, western belts are very expensive!

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 06:30 PM (yxupc)

279 We need a post about the Fire Marshall in Columbus, OH restricting people from seeing Trump today at the Columbus Convention Center.

Posted by: Democrats are evil! at August 01, 2016 06:30 PM (xB7fY)

280 Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 06:27 PM (F1iXz)

Just yanking your chain. Good to see you back around.

Posted by: Golfman - Conservative Refugee seeking asylum at August 01, 2016 06:30 PM (48QDY)

281 Down to 208 this morning, down 2 from last week.

Yesterday I bought that insanely expensive Irish butter to try in my coffee. No brain juice so it was not that Bulletproof stuff.

Tasted okay and I seemed more energized on my walk to work, though that might have just been Monday and the power of suggestion. We will see what tomorrow brings.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at August 01, 2016 06:31 PM (rwI+c)

282 An hour and a half later I was running to the grocery bathroom to poop out everything that wasn't nailed down.

I don't know if that caused it. But I don't think I'd do it again.

Posted by : Ace

Was it Saigon cinnamon or Ceylon cinnamon? Serious question, because they have very different properties, and affect your digestion differently.

Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 06:31 PM (d6TTt)

283 265
Whatever you do don't get the omega 3 eggs. Unless you just want your eggs to taste like fish.

Posted by:at August 01, 2016 06:26 PM (sIj5E)

I like Eggland's Best eggs. They seem to have more flavor? You know those guys brought that program over from Japan.

Don't know if it's worth the extra money though.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 06:31 PM (F1iXz)

284 Many decades ago and in another life, I worked The Doctors Lounge at SFGH. This was a large room off the ER filled with all the drunks they brought in. We wd do some blood work, stick an IV with vitamins in it giving it a bright yellow color into their arms. Once they were hydrated, conscious, and fed, we sent them on their way...

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 01, 2016 06:31 PM (iQIUe)

285
1. It's currently very cheap. On Amazon, you can get one for $37.50.
That's like three X-rated DVDs. And I don't mean the shit ones, I mean
the ones with high production values and characters with names and
stuff.








I always enjoy it when Wicket talks in terms that Teh Horde can understand.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 01, 2016 06:31 PM (LuZz8)

286 [iIn NC we call them pogies. Or menhaden.


Also called bunker in the Northeast.

Related to the herring species (blueback and alewife) but not the same. Shad are in the same family. All of them have the same role in the food chain.

Omega 3 is destroying the food chain for pennies.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 01, 2016 06:32 PM (mgbwf)

287 Here is the link to the story about fish oils.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/m3odukw

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at August 01, 2016 06:32 PM (hVdx9)

288 276 Dave I've the same problem but started at 155.

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2016 06:32 PM (bksJQ)

289 >>>Starting 16 hour fast tonight

I always stopped at 195. I haven't seen 180 since HS.

btw, anyone who has a problem with the 16 hour fast can just work up to it, by first doing a 14 hour fast. Like, skip breakfast, but then have an early lunch at 11pm.

your body adjusts to it. At first it seems bothersome just because your body is conditioned to expect food at certain hours (and maybe pump out insulin in that expectation, which drops your blood sugar), but you can build up to the 16 hour fast in a week or so.

After that, you can build out to the 24 hour fast (which becomes pretty easy once you're used to the 16).

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 06:32 PM (dciA+)

290 In NC we call them pogies. Or menhaden.

Posted by: Golfman - Conservative Refugee seeking asylum at August 01, 2016 06:29 PM (48QDY)

Good to be back thanks. Herring are different that Menhaden, which I haven't seen at the beach in years.

What's with that? Over fishing?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 06:33 PM (F1iXz)

291 So what movie was this?

Posted by: TL;DR at August 01, 2016 06:33 PM (AWwDY)

292 Dr. Killjoy here. I thank G-d everyday for my life. My weight hasn't fluctuated 10 lbs in 45 years. I take no medication and eat everything I want. Just goes to show you that 50+ years of menial labor and loving your job, works for some of us.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 01, 2016 06:34 PM (GJ83w)

293 So what movie was this?
Posted by: TL;DR at August 01, 2016 06:33 PM (AWwDY)


"Nip and Tuck", I think.

Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 06:34 PM (d6TTt)

294 >>>Was it Saigon cinnamon or Ceylon cinnamon? Serious question, because they have very different properties, and affect your digestion differently.

saigon -- which is the good one?

(And who knows if this is really the type of cinammon they claim it is)

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 06:35 PM (dciA+)

295 So what movie was this?
Posted by: TL;DR at August 01, 2016 06:33 PM (AWwDY)


"Nip and Tuck", I think.



My Big Fat Greek Wedding

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at August 01, 2016 06:35 PM (rwI+c)

296 I don't have half a day to waste at the Red Cross.
When you are retired, you have to fck off doing something totally
worthless, like surfing the web.



Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 06:27 PM (F1iXz)

I give through Carter Blood Care here in Texas...takes about 30 minutes from me walking in the door to me walking out.
The Red Cross seems to be getting out of the blood donation business, at least here in Texas. Only 5 collection cities to cover the entire state. And we tend to be a fairly large state.

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 06:35 PM (yxupc)

297 Gains or losses? None, but I've got a condition that makes it difficult to lose weight and I wish I would have known about that effect years ago. My doc just doubled my Metformin (some sort of insulin replacement) and I'm working out more and at less than 2000 calories a day...... but yeah, still at the same weight. Frustrating.

Posted by: pookysgirl at August 01, 2016 06:35 PM (K27gs)

298 You guys are getting me motivated. I got down to 187, from 220 in March and have been there until the last month. Gained back five pounds.



Damn wedding receptions and CAKE.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 06:35 PM (F1iXz)

299 Skip breakfasts still don't gain me any weight,
Oatmeal, cheerios, cherry cheese donut, 3 cup of coffee before 6am, pop Tarts and OJ at 9am.

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2016 06:36 PM (bksJQ)

300 I'm not sure I agree with you Ace about Type I DM. I have been on this diet as a Type I diabetic under doctors approval. This was the ONLY diet for people with diabetes prior to the discovery of insulin. I have to monitor myself carefully but ketoacidosis in diabetes is from hypergylcemia not the ketoacidosis from fat.

Posted by: bossybarb at August 01, 2016 06:37 PM (7czoZ)

301 @296

I don't know any place but Red Cross in Charlotte that takes blood.



I guess I should ask the next Hobo before I off him?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 06:37 PM (F1iXz)

302 294 >>>Was it Saigon cinnamon or Ceylon cinnamon? Serious question, because they have very different properties, and affect your digestion differently.

saigon -- which is the good one?

(And who knows if this is really the type of cinammon they claim it is)
Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 06:35 PM (dciA+)

I believe that Ceylon cinnamon has by far the best health benefits. Saigon cinnamon is actually not from the cinnamon tree bark, but comes from the acacia tree, and has a few negative properties related to blood chemistry.

Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 06:37 PM (d6TTt)

303 >>>Oatmeal, cheerios, cherry cheese donut, 3 cup of coffee before 6am, pop Tarts and OJ at 9am.
Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2016 06:36 PM (bksJQ)

What time do you shit your pants?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 01, 2016 06:38 PM (b/WXn)

304 Hopefully never will happen

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2016 06:38 PM (bksJQ)

305
I spent a week canoeing in Maine that ended July 3. I know that I had lost weight, but not how much, plus I had been exercising a lot (lake canoeing vs stream csnoeing). When I came back I had my blood work performed for the ohysical that I had undergone in early April. All chloesterol numbers, except LDL, were within acceptable limits for the first time in two years. Spent the bext two weeks doing strenuous yard work before setting out for a week at Scout camp. Came back with no weight gain. Continuing yard work during past ten days, then started IF three days ago. Feeling good so far.

I really need to get the measurement tech to truly begin tracking progress. I have the scale which does body fat %, I need to replace the recording device.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 01, 2016 06:38 PM (BK3ZS)

306 Usually it's only 2 cups of coffee, but it was a long commute

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2016 06:39 PM (bksJQ)

307 I tried Ace's diet but went into catosis instead, and ended up growing a tail and cute little ears.

Upside: I'm now the most popular profile on Furry Tinder!

Posted by: zombie at August 01, 2016 06:39 PM (jBuUi)

308 303 >>>Oatmeal, cheerios, cherry cheese donut, 3 cup of coffee before 6am, pop Tarts and OJ at 9am.
Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2016 06:36 PM (bksJQ)

What time do you shit your pants?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 01, 2016 06:38 PM (b/WXn)

Whatever time, bet it's inopportune.

Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 06:39 PM (d6TTt)

309 292
Dr. Killjoy here. I thank G-d everyday for my life. My weight hasn't
fluctuated 10 lbs in 45 years. I take no medication and eat everything I
want. Just goes to show you that 50+ years of menial labor and loving
your job, works for some of us.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 01, 2016 06:34 PM (GJ83w)

Good for you Ben!!! Nothing like hard work to keep you healthy.
Not that I have first hand knowledge, you understand. I don't consider mucking out stables hard work. Consulting damn near killed me...10 hours on my ass behind a computer 4 days a week...9 hours air travel each way on Sundays and Thursday. I gained 28 lbs in 14 years.

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 06:40 PM (yxupc)

310 Ace, tubal --

Last week, Geoarrge noted that you want to be using Sri Lankan cinnamon.

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86&post=364949#c25573919

(The wiki is already paying dividends!)

http://kingdomrpg.com/index.php/Cinnamon

Posted by: moviegique at August 01, 2016 06:40 PM (7zeA4)

311 Just goes to show you that 50+ years of menial labor and loving your job, works for some of us.
Posted by: Ben Had at August 01, 2016 06:34 PM (GJ83w)

Nice!

Posted by: Country Boy at August 01, 2016 06:41 PM (heN73)

312 Sri Lanka = Ceylon. I have betrayed my age, roughly that of Rudyard Kipling.

Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 06:41 PM (d6TTt)

313 Consulting damn near killed me...10 hours on my ass
behind a computer 4 days a week...9 hours air travel each way on Sundays
and Thursday. I gained 28 lbs in 14 years.


Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 06:40 PM (yxupc)

In another life, I was a politician. Gained 40 pounds in two months.

Lobbyist food is fattening. Good too!

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 06:41 PM (F1iXz)

314
I don't have half a day to waste at the Red Cross.


I will resume donating at Blood Bank of Delmarva soon. I pump it out PDQ, so my time there usually is 75 minutes or less.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 01, 2016 06:42 PM (BK3ZS)

315 Sri Lanka = Ceylon.


Why did Ceylon get the works?

Posted by: eleven at August 01, 2016 06:42 PM (qUNWi)

316 I did yoga last week, which I enjoyed, but I guess I stretched my foot out too much and now it hurts! Trying to let it rest enough so I can go back to yoga tomorrow, but I'm sort of annoyed about this.

Posted by: Lea at August 01, 2016 06:43 PM (fzFHR)

317 Just was looking back and finally saw the Melanie pictures.

I'M VOTING TRUMP!

Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2016 06:43 PM (bksJQ)

318 I was on BP meds, Cholesterol meds, Serotonin meds.

I lost 50+ pounds and quit drinking got divorced and no longer take any meds.

Medications rarely address the root cause of a chemical imbalance.

Posted by: Floyd Winston at August 01, 2016 06:44 PM (0CKeS)

319
Here's my gain re 5 minutes of exercise in the morning, for the past 14 days:

Pre-medical-monitoring history: 0
Good intentions: 14
Actually managed: 3


3 out of 14 is better than 0 out of 14. I intend to improve.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at August 01, 2016 06:44 PM (pC96u)

320 In another life, I was a politician. Gained 40 pounds in two months.

Lobbyist food is fattening. Good too!


Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 06:41 PM (F1iXz)

Oh man, tell me about it.
I was one of the PMs...so we were constantly entertaining clients and potential clients...keeping the business we had and drumming up new business. Days on your ass behind a computer, nights eating late dinners, drinking good booze and smoking good cigars...and getting fatter and fatter.
Less and less time to work out.

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 06:45 PM (yxupc)

321 @314

Yeah, usually two hours here. I have a problem with the Red Cross though, they pay DC staff way too much and are too bureaucratic. They are selling all the donated blood, you know that right?




Salvation Army gets to a disaster quicker and does more with less.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 01, 2016 06:45 PM (F1iXz)

322 Sixkiller- I'll bet cleaning stalls is a welcome relief. I have found a lot of philosophy while doing the second most important task of horse husbandry.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 01, 2016 06:48 PM (GJ83w)

323 Last week: 261.0lbs (?)
Today: 255.6lbs (33.4%)

I'm including the body fat estimates from the scales not because they're accurate--they're actually several % higher than past caliper measurements at a similar weight--but because they do illustrate trends.

I finally did some exercise on the elliptical yesterday despite my ankle still giving me some grief. After about 5 minutes, though, the pain dissipated and the ankle actually feels better today.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 01, 2016 06:48 PM (jV8Mq)

324 >>>186 oh and on commenter's recommendation I bought CynSulin cinammon capsules, but I haven't gotten those yet

i saw those but nixed them at the check out.
got me a big old bottle of just pure cinnamon instead
for 9 bucks.

i love cinnamon. it works.

Posted by: concrete girl at August 01, 2016 06:49 PM (b32xu)

325 Tubal --

Thanks. I'll look into the cinnamon thing and get the good one.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 06:50 PM (dciA+)

326 six, you cleaning by hand.....or tractor.....or skid steer?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 01, 2016 06:53 PM (1UoEY)

327 Get the CEYLON Cinnamon - it dissolves better

Posted by: Floyd Winston at August 01, 2016 06:53 PM (0CKeS)

328 322
Sixkiller- I'll bet cleaning stalls is a welcome relief. I have found a
lot of philosophy while doing the second most important task of horse
husbandry.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 01, 2016 06:48 PM (GJ83w)

It's very Zen-like. And I'm being stone-cold serious.
Picture this (everybody stop reading but Ben): I'm driving my Polaris Ranger with tilt-bed between the barns in the upper and lower pastures. I'm wearing a tank top, Hawaiian surfer shorts, western work boots and a straw cowboy hat. (My wahine calls it my 'Paniolo look.' The neighbors just think I'm weird.) Wireless ear buds cranking out music that includes Luke Bryan, Restless Heart, Eric Clapton, and Steve Winwood.
And man...my brain wanders all over the place. It's probably gotten lost a time or two. I'm pretty sure I cured cancer one or twice too.
But you nailed it, Ben. There is nothing more relaxing in the world than that.

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 06:53 PM (yxupc)

329 326
six, you cleaning by hand.....or tractor.....or skid steer?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 01, 2016 06:53 PM (1UoEY)

Me and two shovels.

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 06:54 PM (yxupc)

330 concretegirl- Sorry I missed you on the pet thread. Hope you are well and maybe we can chat next weekend.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 01, 2016 06:55 PM (GJ83w)

331 "Me and two shovels."




I feel ya, brother. Shoveling those bastards is character building.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 01, 2016 06:57 PM (1UoEY)

332 We just read about cinnamon at Wikipedia for the basics and you do NOT want to have a lot of the wrong kind. See the "Toxicity" section.

I picked up Ceylon cin. at Drug Emporium. Same brand as at Amazon, almost the same price.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 01, 2016 07:00 PM (gTQoY)

333 I tried Ace's diet but went into catosis instead, and ended up growing a tail and cute little ears.
Upside: I'm now the most popular profile on Furry Tinder!


Cats are obligate carnivores, so might as well eat more steak.

Or mice, if you prefer.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 01, 2016 07:01 PM (T/cxb)

334 And if it doesn't say what kind of cinnamon it is, it's probably the cheaper kind.

Be careful, my friends.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 01, 2016 07:02 PM (gTQoY)

335 I'm liking these posts and want to see them continue but I wanted to add that you guys should proceed with at least some caution. Making pronouncements about appropriate amounts of salt or treating sustained ketosis as an inherently healthy lifestyle screams group-think, which is what I hope everyone is pushing against.

I'm not going to bro science you with what the ACTUAL perfect diet is because in part it's personal, and I think a lot of you are on the right track w/ lowering the carbs and grain, upping the well-raised meat, collagen/gelatin(broth) and vegetables. If you feel good long-term with keto, stick with it, but a lot of you might be surprised to find your libido dropping, hair falling out, hormones fucking up your temper, as you begin to turn hypothyroid from a lack of carbohydrates.

The broad space you all are swimming in helped transform my life but keep looking for new info and try new strategies that feel good for you, not the hot new trend. Just be a little careful and you will be amazed.

Posted by: Jeff at August 01, 2016 07:03 PM (ndhvA)

336 Sixkiller- You have a kindred soul in one of my customers. They moved here from Hawaii 4 years ago , and I have seen Mr. Navy Commander in the same attire.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 01, 2016 07:04 PM (GJ83w)

337 Oh, and re fish oil: Sam's Club today had 3 different kinds of Wild Alaskan Salmon oil capsules.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 01, 2016 07:06 PM (gTQoY)

338 Dang. I keep forgetting to open CHROME when shopping at amazon to pipe the proceeds to aoshq. Im still stuck in safari land on this machine and that plugin doesn't exist. Sorry.

Posted by: Floyd Winston at August 01, 2016 07:10 PM (0CKeS)

339 Chase Family Ginger Drink recipe:

- boil 1 teaspoon ginger in 1 cup water for 20 minutes
- to make the drink, mix 2 cups cold water, 1 teaspoon cider vinegar, and 5 teaspoons of the ginger mixture.

So simple, even a Moron can do it! I usually mix up the concentrate (ginger plus vinegar) and keep that in the refrigerator, then add to water as needed. No sugar mentioned, and in my opinion doesn't need any. It works nicely with selzer water too. I've experimented with upping the vinegar concentration, and I might try fresh ginger too.

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at August 01, 2016 07:15 PM (GG9V6)

340 I've lost 15 pounds over the last three months by cutting down drinking and snacking, and also controlling portion sizes. That means no more buffets because I wanna eat the place out of food

But I wonder - can you go crazy at a buffet and then go on a 24 hrs fast to compensate?

Posted by: Lurker Primus at August 01, 2016 07:16 PM (geyAi)

341 Ricardo- This is for you- That 20 minutes you spend in that stall tells you everything about that horse you need to know. This is an everyday process. Call it checking your email. Feed all gone, normal amounts of urine and fecal matter, normal water consumption. If it ain't right it's one IV of Banamine or $500.00 vet bill for your customer.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 01, 2016 07:16 PM (GJ83w)

342 Hey Ace. Inflammable here again, the guy who's been doing LCHF for > 3 years.

LCHF is one of the worst internet areas for bro science I've seen. A lot that we read is simply unsubstantiated. Yes, it makes sense. No, it is not correct. I'm afraid you're going to question a lot of what you're writing when (someday) your results don't jive with what you think.

Since you're lifting, I strongly recommend getting enough protein. LCHF kinda skips over that need. To calculate your protein needs (it really is a need) you can use this, http://keto-calculator.ankerl.com/ . If you fail to eat enough protein then your weight loss will include losing lean muscle.

Dr. Westman (a very practical low carb doctor) now says, first just get inot low carb, eat what you like (lean meat, high
fat, lots of veggies, whatever) and see if you lose. If you do, don't
over think it. Just be patient as the pounds melt away. If you don't
lose weight then tweak the diet appropriately through elimination.

Posted by: Inflammable at August 01, 2016 07:17 PM (gOtn1)

343 Whatever time, bet it's inopportune.

Is there ever an opportune time for trouser chilli?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at August 01, 2016 07:20 PM (rwI+c)

344 >>But I wonder - can you go crazy at a buffet and then go on a 24 hrs fast to compensate?

Per Dr. Fung, when you fast, you'll generally eat more (at least at first) when you DO eat, but you still won't eat so much that you'll make up for the calories that you didn't eat while fasting.

But none of this stuff happens in a vacuum. Regular fasting raises your insulin sensitivity, which should mean you're less affected by binging.

Posted by: moviegique at August 01, 2016 07:22 PM (7zeA4)

345 Inflammable: You're no doubt right re "bro science".

On the other hand, the offical "science" has killed millions.

Posted by: moviegique at August 01, 2016 07:23 PM (7zeA4)

346 Sabrina, that's powdered ginger?

Sounds yummy.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 01, 2016 07:28 PM (gTQoY)

347 Posted by: Sabrina Chase at August 01, 2016 07:15 PM (GG9V6)

Thanks, I will try that!

Posted by: @votermom at August 01, 2016 07:29 PM (7lVbc)

348 Dietitian here. I didn't read the entire thread, but...ketosis is not the same as ketoacidosis. I would agree that you should consult a registered dietitian or specialist physician before pursuing diet changes as a diabetic, but generally speaking, a low carb diet is not unsafe and is often favorable for diabetics.

Posted by: JeepGirl at August 01, 2016 07:31 PM (hhWz5)

349 Yep, powdered ginger.
(NOTE: not powdered Gingy. This is important)

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at August 01, 2016 07:31 PM (GG9V6)

350 Ace, first time poster, long time lurker. Always fun reading your blog.

I actually started a similar lifestyle change starting in March and went from 220 to 185 lbs in about 3 months...since then, been pretty stable. Thinking that I would like to cut about 10 to 15 more and start lifting...just need to get more motivated...I think this blog will help with that.

I started by cutting all drinks except water and hard liquor. Drinking lots of water and calorie counting. Then I tried to get into ketosis, whice I did pretty quickly but the sugar cravings for me were pretty strong and so that was a bit rough but am much better for it. Then I added intermittent fasting into it ...16/8 split. Walked around more and deliberately tried being more active and trying to do light cardio especially when in fasted state. Overall, pretty happy with it, just need to stick to it and push to work on getting strong and cutting the last 10 to 15 pounds of unneeded fat.

Btw...if not already mentioned, brocolli has about 2 grams of fiber per cup to which I don't think gets counted in the total carb count for ketosis...so really only 4 grams of carbs per cup for broccoli.

Posted by: Floyd at August 01, 2016 07:31 PM (vI1WN)

351 Here is a topic for next week Mr Ace.

Modern nutrition and health focuses on additives and impurities to food as the cause of all things bad.

Most people focus on what is missing from food we used to eat over the last thousands of years.

Your bone broth got me thinking on that.

Trace minerals from the soil would be something missing.

Seeds are missing too now. So many fruits/veg are seedless. Processed juices filter them out. Seeds have that magical property of keeping the contents in a state of no-growth. Are seeds a required dietary thing to keep cell growth issues at bay (i.e. cancer) Just throwing it out there.

Posted by: Floyd Winston at August 01, 2016 07:32 PM (0CKeS)

352 My book recommendation is the Schwarzbein Principle. Written way back in 1997 by an endocrinologist, Dr S gives the why in low carb dieting. Changed my life when I read it.

The IF is changing me as well. At first it was difficult giving up my marooning toast but after two weeks, I find it very easy to skip breakfast. Even with a regular lunch, I am losing weight. Lost 3 lbs since IF.

Thanks for the thread

Posted by: Sunny at August 01, 2016 07:33 PM (XBatu)

353 Fast= More month less paycheck.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 01, 2016 07:35 PM (GJ83w)

354 I have lost 4 lbs in two weeks. I have been doing IF which I would have never guessed was possible for me. A cup of coffee with heavy cream in the morning takes me through to 1 pm though. I can't believe it. I had been eating 6 tiny meals a day like you are supposed to do and I was constantly hungry. And I do mean constantly. Now I don't worry about food like I used to now that I am eating more fats and proteins and fewer carbs.

Posted by: Princess Tiger-Lily, formerly from HotAir at August 01, 2016 07:36 PM (vfC/C)

355 i may not buy the expensive cinnamon but when taken regularly it helped heaps for me. very healthy.

talk later ben had

thanks L.

Posted by: concrete girl at August 01, 2016 07:37 PM (b32xu)

356 Im 5'10" and age 44. I've known for the last couple of years that I have been gaining weight, waist size, and that I have had impaired glucose tolerance. In January of this year, I developed Ulcerative Proctitis and when I went for the colonoscopy, my fasting blood glucose was in the diabetes range. After the procedure, I rechecked it and while my fasting blood glucose was in the impaired glucose tolerance range, my hemoglobin A1C was 7.2 which is in the diabetes range. At the doctors office my weight was over 220 but that was with clothes and shoes on with wallet, phone, keys etc in pockets.

Since then, I modified my diet. I cut out all liquids except water (ie no more soda or gatorade), cut out red meat for the most part, and cut out most side dishes. My meals became mostly some sort of grain bread, chicken or fish or veggie sausage/veggie burger, fruit, and vegetable (packaged lettuce salad or cucumber and carrots). Snacks on almonds or other nuts. If I had dessert it would be a very small portion.

In about 6 months, I lost at least 30 lbs, getting down to below 185. My fasting blood glucose was normal and my hemoglobin A1C was 6.1, still in the impaired glucose tolerance range but much better. I have been doing exercise the last few weeks, usually 30 minutes cardio and 30 minutes weights when I can. I also have been doing spinning 1-2 times a week. On the advice of a family physician I know, I have cut back on the bread and tried to generally cut back on carbs, but I still eat fruit regularly. I guess Im transitioning to a modified paleo diet although I think the theory behind the paleo diet makes no sense at all (I am a physician but I dont see patients). Im getting close to 180 now.

One problem Ive had is to find something to eat after my workout that can sit at room temperature for at least 90 minutes. Before I was just having a banana and some water after a workout and then eating dinner about 2 hours later at least. I have since tried kipper snacks (herring) in a can and that actually wasnt bad. I also got some NuGo Slim bars which seem to be a good source of protein with low carbs and without artificial sweeteners or sugar alcohols.

What does the horde think of the NuGo Slim bars?

Posted by: Keyser at August 01, 2016 07:46 PM (v8/5X)

357 I have always hated long-distance running. And by long-distance I mean longer than the 100 yd dash. But something changed inside me and during my sporadic walks I started craving running. So ever since the end of May I've been running 30 min every day. It has to be at night 10pmish for my energy level. I haven't lost weight but I'm fitting in my clothes better and some shorts are kind of hanging low on me. I didn't know I was doing the fasting thing till reading your post. I just can't eat anything past 5pm because of how bloated it makes me feel. So just 2 meals a day. I'm listening to my body, feeling great, looking better, and no more lower back pain.

Posted by: polish pilgrim at August 01, 2016 07:56 PM (YMwXk)

358 Ceylon cinnamon has a notably more complex flavor structure. Not just "Red Hot", but rich and sweet.

Posted by: Gus Bailey at August 01, 2016 08:00 PM (BYeLY)

359 Thanks for starting this thread!

46yrs old been gaining a pound a year for 15 years. For the last two I've been on a casual LCHF diet with casual swim/bike/run/lift workouts. Hasn't really moved the dial on body fat or weight. 25%,182lbs.

After the first post I read The Obesity Code and lots of blog examples. I switched to a more formal IF plan - was a couple days a week at 16hrs, now 22 or so hours pretty much every day. The big change was to do a 60hr and 70hr fast as well about 8 days apart. Fascinating experience. Not a big change in energy but worked out biking and running during both. This finally moved the dial on body fat and weight. 22% and 174lbs. This is a great process - we will see how it goes!!

Posted by: BadgerSteve at August 01, 2016 08:21 PM (GGIIM)

360 Ace, use pork rinds for you onion dip.

Otherwise, the only news I have to report is that I've been off the paleo horse for 10 days and gained 5 pounds. Before that I was maintaining within a range of 3 pounds for a few months.

Lesson: do not "let go." And by that I don't mean, "don't go hog wild and eat Stouffer's mac 'n' cheese for dinner for a few days" - I mean, NO BREADS or CHIPS or things like that. During that 10 days, I just had some ham and turkey sandwiches on baguettes and a box of Cheezits. And a few items from the vending machine at work.

I hate that vending machine.

Posted by: Miley's Tongue Depressor at August 01, 2016 08:31 PM (NTqvt)

361 Wait- nobody should be having constipation on keto. On the keto diet you're supposed to be eating a lot of vegetables and
getting that soft vegetable fiber in your system along with the fat. A
lot easier on your gut than the fiber found in grains, I might add. You can help the non-pooping issues by eating more whole veggies like green leafies, snap beans, tomatoes, cucumbers, zucchini, etc- just make sure they are non-starchy vegetables, keep under 40 or 50g carbs/day, etc. to stay in ketosis.

I've been loving up the zucchini noodles! So good with lots of spicy garlicky olive oil and butter. I dry the noodles on the counter for 24 hours so they will stay 'al dente' when I quickly saute them with the hot oils. They soak it right up. Delightful.

Also, if you eat coconut butter, you'll be getting the whole ground flesh of the coconut. The oil, the milk, and the fiber, again which is excellent for you. It is also sold as coconut cream.

Posted by: lauraw at August 01, 2016 08:36 PM (K/zYU)

362 I think it was an episode of Good Eats where I found out I'd never really had 'real' cinnamon - just the cassia stuff. The real thing is pretty hard to find stateside, IIRC.

Any, for 'muh gains':

My bench last week was similar to the week before: 4 reps of 265, but I didn't feel like I struggled as much on locking out my 4th rep.

Deadlift; 5 reps of 375. The 'chart' says that means my one rep would be just over 405. Considering my goal is to be at over four plates when I next measure my one rep, I think I'm on the right track.

Also, not sure if it's sixkiller's magnesium suggestion, but I'm so much less sore/muscle fatigued than I've been in the past. Haven't had to use any painkillers at all.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 01, 2016 08:42 PM (kumBu)

363 Late as hell as usual to the health thread.

*sigh*

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at August 01, 2016 08:49 PM (R5HRU)

364 Been on Keto since January. Lost 55lbs and sugar now in normal range. I have no carb cravings and haven't since the first month- I used to eat pasta and bread nonstop.

Keto flu was a bitch and lasted about 2 weeks for me.

I'm not hungry anymore either. I eat about 1/3 of what I used to eat and always eat when I'm hungry. I'm just hungry less.

Posted by: #1lurker at August 01, 2016 08:55 PM (kiyD3)

365 I've been low-carbing since Feb of 2015 and have lost 55 pounds, going from 230 to 175. My waist size has gone from 42 to 34. Up until this past January, my exercise routine was calisthenics (toe-touches, sit ups and push ups) first thing in the morning, and running 30 minutes every other day. I have incorporated some lifting routines since January, though, and now exercise 3 days out of 4 (lift-run-lift, rest, run-lift-run, rest, repeat). I feel great, and my family tells me I look great (they may not be impartial observers). I would like to lose another 15-25 pounds, and am hoping that the intermittent fasting will get me off the plateau I'm stuck on.

Posted by: Darles Chickens at August 01, 2016 08:55 PM (g+z7k)

366 My weight finally budged! Hoping when my extra job ends in a couple of weeks I can resume fasting and working out.

Posted by: Emmie at August 01, 2016 08:57 PM (xVuS6)

367 Eat less diet continues. Down .5 lbs this week. I think I was retaining a bit of water. Will be down a lot tomorrow, colonoscopy day. 24 hour fast, and cleaning will give you some temp weight loss. -101.5 so far.

Posted by: Fredlike at August 01, 2016 08:57 PM (AHd0y)

368 Down to 222 this morning. That is 3 lbs since last week. Doing 16-22 hour fast every day. This included a day at a baseball game drinking beer and a day at a fund raiser drinking beer. Three days of walking 2 miles. Meals have been beef, chicken, salmon, brocholli, asparagus, a couple of days where i had some mac and cheese. Of course those days were the same as the beer drinking so I guess i cheated and got away with it that day.

Posted by: Mike Hall at August 01, 2016 09:01 PM (DCMR3)

369 Ace you can make your own cinnamon with cinnamon sticks and a blender. Plenty of videos on youtube showing how. You should really make your own dips, dressings, oils and spices if possible.

Posted by: #1lurker at August 01, 2016 09:05 PM (kiyD3)

370 Chromium piccolinate 200-400mcgs.
Really good supplement to manage carb.s. I was an Atkins warrior as a teen during the first craze.
Was only about 20lbs overweight. Probably due to partying and value-rite etc.
Next movement,during the 2000-2003 yrs,I was a disciple debating my colleagues,doctors and nurses over the ketosis, low carb,high protein question.
I lost 56 lbs in less then 3months.
I'm fairly certain the chromium piccolinate kept me in check.Especially when I cheated( relapsed on bread or pasta). It helps prevent insulin resistance. Anyhoo,read about any of you morons and ettes that slip.

Posted by: Infidelicious at August 01, 2016 09:09 PM (TbFL/)

371 I am a Type II diabetic with A-fib. I went low carbs three years ago, lost over 60 pounds and kept it off. In fact my weight is still slowly dropping. I don't measure anything. I just keep a checklist of items to eat daily, to eat three times a week, to eat only once a week and that once a month indulgence of either fast food, junk food or something heavily processed like a cup of Campbell's Cream of Tomato Soup with a Velveeta on white bread toasted cheese sandwich.

When I began this diet I would crave that bag of potato chip for two weeks and then at the whole thing when the end of the month arrived. Now now I find I only eat a few chips. Also, from a psychological standard since nothing is entirely off limits, only a time limited trade off, there isn't a failure big factor.

My daily list is fresh fruit, green veg, a serving of nuts and one glass of wine. I try to eat red beans, some oily fish like salmon, active culture yogurt, sweet potatoes, blueberries and oatmeal three times a week, I have almost eliminated "delivery system" carbs like rice, bread, pasta and potatoes from my regular diet. Along with beef or lamb, and dessert/candy bar my once a week list is potatoes and either rice, bread or pasta. I use lettuce leafs to wrap sandwich contents and shredded vegetable with gravies and pasta sauces.

Posted by: NC Mountainl Girl at August 01, 2016 09:11 PM (mM4A7)

372 Weight 190.5 (-1)
Chest 48 (+1 in)
Pushups 27 (+2)
Dips 7 (+2)
Pullups 1 (+.75)

It was our anniversary last week and I made the wife and I our traditional 3-layer carrot cake (what we served at our wedding) with this ridiculous cream cheese/butter/powdered sugar/vanilla frosting. I'm moderately proud that I still managed to lose a pound over the week.

Still doing my eating mix of IF/Zone Regime (well, barring the anniversary carrot cake), lap swimming, strength 4 days, and wind sprints one day.

The dog's down a bit too but I don't weigh him.

Posted by: Eric E. at August 01, 2016 09:29 PM (7b4Mw)

373 Ace, with any herb ot spice based supplements, if you can't grow your own- and cinnamon is a bark from the tropics- purchase your supply from the most reputable on-line vendor in the least processed form possible. Not only does that assure the optimum concentration of volatile oils, the main active ingredient, but the more heavily processed the product is, the easier it is to adulterate with cheap fillers. I always but whole spices for this reason.

I keep a separate coffee grinder to use to process spices. Indeed, I will even occasionally place a piece of whole cinnamon bark, a cardamon pod or a dew cloves in with my whole coffee beans before grinding them. Spiced coffee is a great breakfast drink.

Posted by: NC Mountainl Girl at August 01, 2016 09:31 PM (mM4A7)

374 Deadlift; 5 reps of 375. The 'chart' says that means
my one rep would be just over 405. Considering my goal is to be at over
four plates when I next measure my one rep, I think I'm on the right
track.

Also, not sure if it's sixkiller's magnesium suggestion,
but I'm so much less sore/muscle fatigued than I've been in the past.
Haven't had to use any painkillers at all.


Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at August 01, 2016 08:42 PM (kumBu)

Dude - 5 reps at 375 is awesome! Screw 405...you can pull 425 for a single right now.
Be positive Broseidon - belt up, wrap those wrists, chalk up and let er rip!

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 09:38 PM (yxupc)

375 What does the horde think of the NuGo Slim bars?

Posted by: Keyser at August 01, 2016 07:46 PM (v8/5X)

You don't need a bar for post-workout.
Take a protein shake instead. Put two scoops of protein powder in your shaker bottle and put it in your gym bag. When you complete your workout, simply add water to your shaker bottle and drink it down!!! You'll get a much better protein source than that bar and less sugar.

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 09:40 PM (yxupc)

376 375 What does the horde think of the NuGo Slim bars?

Posted by: Keyser at August 01, 2016 07:46 PM (v8/5X)

You don't need a bar for post-workout.
Take a protein shake instead. Put two scoops of protein powder in your shaker bottle and put it in your gym bag. When you complete your workout, simply add water to your shaker bottle and drink it down!!! You'll get a much better protein source than that bar and less sugar.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 09:40 PM (yxupc)

Thanks so much for the advice. I tried protein powders about 20-25 years ago and couldn't stand the taste or even smell of them. Made me dry heave. I assume the taste has gotten better since then. Do you have any recommendations for specific brands/types? Bonus points if they have kosher certification (I am kosher but am willing to look at an ingredient list to make my own determination, as long as I know what each ingredient is).

The NuGo slim crunchy peanut butter has 17 g protein, 18 g carbs but only 3 g sugar, 7g fiber, and 7 g fat.

Posted by: Keyser at August 01, 2016 10:06 PM (v8/5X)

377 Ace, when you went apeshit on the onion dip... how much of that dip were you eating? You do realize onions are pretty carby for a vegetable, right? If you made it with the Lipton onion soup powder or similar, that stuff has 15g of effective carbohydrate per envelope.

(In case no one's mentioned it, the concept of "effective carbohydrate" is useful. Fiber is technically a carbohydrate - it's cellulose, and cellulose is a starch, chemically - but your body can't break it down and it never makes it into your bloodstream, so it doesn't count. If you see total carbs = 6g per cup, fiber 2.4g per cup, your effective carbohydrate count is 3.6g, not 6g.)

In other words, the broccoli is probably not the main issue here.

Posted by: jaed at August 01, 2016 10:26 PM (tpjae)

378 Thanks so much for the advice. I tried protein
powders about 20-25 years ago and couldn't stand the taste or even smell
of them. Made me dry heave. I assume the taste has gotten better since
then. Do you have any recommendations for specific brands/types? Bonus
points if they have kosher certification (I am kosher but am willing to
look at an ingredient list to make my own determination, as long as I
know what each ingredient is).



The NuGo slim crunchy peanut butter has 17 g protein, 18 g carbs but only 3 g sugar, 7g fiber, and 7 g fat.

Posted by: Keyser at August 01, 2016 10:06 PM (v8/5X)

You are so right about protein powders from 25 years ago...like trying to choke down ground up chalk. It was so crappy and wouldn't mix...I resorted to using a blender, adding a raw egg, some molasses, and heaven only knows what else I crammed in there to help make the protein powder soluble.
Today it is light years ahead; however, the kosher requirement may be problematic.
I use Syntha-6 ultra premium protein matrix (chocolate milkshake flavor) for my post-workout drink. It's whey protein for quick absorption. I buy it in the 5lb jars for somewhere around $45/jar. Not too bad.

My just-before-bed protein, which has turned into my end-of-my-eating -state-protein is a casein protein...slow absorption so the body can rebuild overnight. I use Dymatize Elite Casein in Rich Chocolate flavor...the 4lb jar. IIRC it's about $48/jar. Both are delicious.

I always check 3 sites for pricing, because somebody usually has some type of sale on-going. The sites I check are:
1. Bodybuilding.com2. DPS Nutrition.3. Amazon Prime.
Be sure and factor in shipping costs for numbers 1 and 2 to get the true cost.

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 10:27 PM (yxupc)

379 First workout after a long absence.

Squat - 125lbs - 5 sets - 10 reps
Bench - same
Deadlift - 135 - 4 - 8
Lunges - 15 - 2- 12
Hamstring curls - machine weights only come in numbers not lbs - 2 -12

On a 5 week plan. Time to take step one.

A-fucking-gain

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at August 01, 2016 10:28 PM (R5HRU)

380 Three weeks in, 12 pounds down.

The fasting is easier than I'd have thought. Getting to the point now where I probably need to get more physical activity to keep the pace.

Thanks, Ace!

Posted by: Rob at August 01, 2016 10:32 PM (nwBVA)

381 189 "I'm fighting PCOS, infertility, miscarriage, secondary infertility, low progesterone during pregnancy, low progesterone and estrogen all the time, and insulin resistance."

Oh wow! It sounds like a really good sign that you potentially ovulated this month then!

Are you doing progesterone shots?
Posted by: Lauren at August 01, 2016 06:03 PM (sIj5E)
Yes at 1cc P+3,5,7, and 9. Hard to do when you don't have a visible / tactile sign of ovulation. I skipped two months because I couldn't find any sign.

Posted by: mullingthingsover at August 01, 2016 10:38 PM (CmpB+)

382 >>>Ace, use pork rinds for you onion dip.

...

Posted by: Miley's Tongue Depressor

...

fuckin'

WHOAH

MIND. BLOWN.

I'm on it. Thanks.

(Though I do want to keep having the broccoli too -- but this is a great idea.)

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 10:39 PM (dciA+)

383 By the way. My wife made a "potato salad" this weekend substituting cauliflower for potatoes. Genius! Delicious!

Posted by: Modgi at August 01, 2016 10:40 PM (gDV7W)

384 >>. Ace, when you went apeshit on the onion dip... how much of that dip were you eating? You do realize onions are pretty carby for a vegetable, right?

yeah. I had about one third of a tub of sour cream, so about 5g carbs. Plus some carbs for the sour cream. I figured on that much. But I counted the broccoli as basically zero so when I had three or four cups of broccoli it knocked me out of ketosis.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 10:41 PM (dciA+)

385 >>>bAce you can make your own cinnamon with cinnamon sticks and a blender. Plenty of videos on youtube showing how. You should really make your own dips, dressings, oils and spices if possible.

good idea but I dunno, not sure if I want to go to the trouble.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 10:43 PM (dciA+)

386 I finished the Obesity Code. Thanks for the recommendation. Although I'm not sure if I should or should not fast, it is a very good read for explaining exactly WHY I should be limiting my carbs/sugars/HFCS. I'm still wrestling with trying to control my Type 2 with "lifestyle changes". I need to go visit my nutritionist to find out if she's read the book and her opinion of it.

Posted by: Nancy at 7000 feet CO at August 01, 2016 10:46 PM (JreH3)

387 Posted by: tubal at August 01, 2016 06:21 PM (d6TTt)
I wasn't offended. I wasn't being sarcastic either. no harm no foul my friend.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 02, 2016 12:02 AM (eU/yZ)

388 A few nerd-ish bits of information about cinnamon:

Guess what it is in cinnamon improves learning in mice? Sodium benzoate, a preservative, feared by some, in processed foods.

http:://tinyurl.com/cinnamice

By the way, an old Gardening Thread includes a discussion of regulatory restrictions on coumarin, the fragrant compound in cinnamon (especially cassia cinnamon) that causes (reversible) liver toxicity.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/360768.php


Posted by: KT at August 02, 2016 01:13 AM (qahv/)

389 385
>>>bAce you can make your own cinnamon with cinnamon sticks and
a blender. Plenty of videos on youtube showing how. You should really
make your own dips, dressings, oils and spices if possible.



good idea but I dunno, not sure if I want to go to the trouble.

Posted by: ace at August 01, 2016 10:43 PM (dciA+)
----------------------------
Ace, I know what you mean, but check out Dr David Ludwig's "Always Hungry?" - it's LCHF. He's got an entire section of recipes and suggestions about how to make a "run" of sauces and dressings for a week.
Processed stuff sucks, you know this.

Posted by: Miley's Tongue Depressor at August 02, 2016 01:38 AM (NTqvt)

390 383
By the way. My wife made a "potato salad" this weekend substituting cauliflower for potatoes. Genius! Delicious!

Posted by: Modgi at August 01, 2016 10:40 PM (gDV7W)
---------------------------How does she prepare the cauliflower? Is it a German style or creamy? My family heirloom recipe is made with whipping cream and mayo. I'd like to make a variant of that.

Posted by: Miley's Tongue Depressor at August 02, 2016 01:41 AM (NTqvt)

391 Alright, all bad news. Continuing to fast 20 hours, then 44 hours. That hasn't been difficult (as long as I don't think I can even have a bite of leftover cucumber from pickling... I turn into a shark and eat all... can't tease my fast at all).

I am keeping to a keto diet. If only to the best of my knowledge. I ordered a couple of books to track what I am eating more closely, and understand carbs better. I am hoping ignorance is the problem.

I weighed at 161. That's a gain of 10 pounds, in spite of eating no more. Though I just finished my two-day eat cycle, if even that doesn't make much sense. My insulin is at 192. I just don't understand it at all. It had been dropping, was down to 125 or so. Eating the same stuff, it is now jacked back up. Might be my body using protein as sugar, which it will do if I'm not getting enough fat to protein and protein to carbs.

It's an experiment. I'll keep at it. Seems easy enough, just a bit frustrating. Oh... I am now consuming bone broth daily, made it myself, chicken this time... beef next time. Adding cream to it every other day. I will be ordering potassium powder and going back on vitamins and minerals... standard vitamin mix, with additional electrolytes I seem to lose (keto is hard on electrolytes, and I have other issues, including diabetes, which make maintaining electro's difficult).

Brutal, in some ways. But pretty easy in actual effort. It's just so frustrating waiting for it to work, figuring some things out, etc. I'll keep at it. Good luck to the rest of you. Meh, we'll eventually meet in or past the morgue, just not today if I only speak for myself? *grins* ... *rictus grin*

Posted by: Doom at August 02, 2016 02:26 AM (4JtYT)

392 Starting weight: 185. Goal: 170.
After 3 weeks of IF/low carb with irregular exercise (due to injury): 181.

Plus, I used the occasion to re-quit smoking. (I'm one of the Morons who succeeded in quitting after Ace's referral to Allen Carr's Easy Way . . . and then I broke one of the Easy Way rules and started having the occasional lone cigarette, which ended predictably.)

Posted by: Benedick at August 02, 2016 07:55 AM (ps+cq)

393 I picked up IF after Ace's initial post on the subject, and that has accelerated my fat loss, the proof being in the waistline of my jeans.

Very, very, very happy with IF.
Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 01, 2016 06:03 PM (yxupc)

What is your IF routine? I am trying to figure out the right amount of fasting. Last week I fasted every day from about 8pm to 5 or 6pm the next day so I was in the 21-22 hours a day neighborhood but it didn't seem to help on the scale. Thinking maybe I should focus more on the I part of IF rather than do it all the time. Wonder what others think on that?

Posted by: Texas Zombie at August 02, 2016 10:22 AM (SUtNI)

394 Seriously, please find a non-fish way of getting whateve Omega 3 is.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 01, 2016 06:25 PM (mgbwf)

Or eat wild Alaskan salmon. Full of Omega 3s and, as they say, quite sustainable. One of the best foods in the world actually.

Posted by: Texas Zombie at August 02, 2016 11:08 AM (SUtNI)

395 I love this thread. I read all the comments. You guys are a bunch weirdos.

Posted by: Victoria at August 02, 2016 12:48 PM (OgXUl)

396 What is your IF routine? I am trying to figure out
the right amount of fasting. Last week I fasted every day from about 8pm
to 5 or 6pm the next day so I was in the 21-22 hours a day neighborhood
but it didn't seem to help on the scale. Thinking maybe I should focus
more on the I part of IF rather than do it all the time. Wonder what
others think on that?

Posted by: Texas Zombie at August 02, 2016 10:22 AM (SUtNI)

My eating cycle runs from 1:00 to 6:00 for 'real food,' the kind you chew and swallow. I have a casein protein shake at 8:00 pm.
I fast the rest of the time.
I also lift weights 4 days a week during my fasted cycle. Heavy weights. So I'm really burning fat for fuel during those workouts...and I keep burning fat at an accelerated rate for several hours after a weight workout.

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 02, 2016 01:57 PM (yxupc)

397 Hey Texas Zombie,

If you want to compare notes at any time, email me:

sixkiller

45acp

at

gmail

Posted by: Sixkiller...TEXIT at August 02, 2016 01:59 PM (yxupc)

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