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Who Was the "Lone Wolf" Terrorist Talking to On the Phone (In Arabic) While He Attempted to Buy Body Amror?
And wy did the FBI do nothing when alerted to a suscipcious man trying to buy armor and ammo?
This is why I've come to hate gun control laws. These laws are largely buck-passing excuses for lapses by the government. The government, as usual, fails cataclysmically, then begins nattering that it's not its fault it fucked up for the billionth time; it just needs laws further strippting citizens of more rights, then it'll get its act together. Swearsies. Let's address the real root causeof terrorism: Government incompetence. Once we've passed a law against that, we can talk about other laws.Comments
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Posted by: Steve and Cold bear at June 17, 2016 12:56 PM (mRpIc)
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And wy did the FBI do nothing when alerted to a suscipcious man trying to buy armor and ammo?
Because racism of course
Because racism of course
Posted by: brak at June 17, 2016 12:56 PM (MJuTN)
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Ace, how's the eyes today?
Posted by: Sponge at June 17, 2016 12:57 PM (xttKs)
Posted by: Steff Ann Coal Bert Gummer at June 17, 2016 12:58 PM (evQ4x)
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it just needs laws further strippting citizens of more rights, then it'll get its act together. Swearsies.
And billions of dollars. You forgot about it needs billions more dollars to enforce those new laws.
And billions of dollars. You forgot about it needs billions more dollars to enforce those new laws.
Posted by: Sponge at June 17, 2016 01:00 PM (xttKs)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 17, 2016 01:00 PM (ECJ+C)
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This whole case is a history of the FBI doing nothing because it would not have been politically correct to take action against a Muslim, under Obama's DOJ.
Posted by: Hillary at June 17, 2016 01:01 PM (b8GUr)
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These lone wolf terrorists are easy to miss
Except for the Russians, the Saudis, and some of their friends, no one let the FBI know that the Tsarnevs were up to no good. I mean there were like NO clues at all.
Except for the Russians, the Saudis, and some of their friends, no one let the FBI know that the Tsarnevs were up to no good. I mean there were like NO clues at all.
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:01 PM (v0YLX)
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There is no longer any doubt in the debate over whether Obama's administration is just stupid or is actively malevolent.
It is clearly malevolent and represents the Fundamental Transformation he promised.
All thanks to the 52%ers. Never, ever forget that.
It is clearly malevolent and represents the Fundamental Transformation he promised.
All thanks to the 52%ers. Never, ever forget that.
Posted by: LGoPs at June 17, 2016 01:01 PM (35KV+)
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I got a tip that the FBI was too busy shooting neighborhood dogs to investigate the surveillance video from the gun shop.
Posted by: Fritz at June 17, 2016 01:02 PM (f40FU)
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The FBI had several chances to stop this by directly being told of the terrorists intent. The people he worked with at the "security" company told there management. Nothing.
When he bought the guns, the FBI let him pass a NICS check.
This ain't about "gun control". It's about liberal controll and eradication.
When he bought the guns, the FBI let him pass a NICS check.
This ain't about "gun control". It's about liberal controll and eradication.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2016 01:02 PM (oRmNQ)
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How many fingers do I have showing?
IIii
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 17, 2016 01:00 PM (ECJ+C)
Should've gone with the old classic.
,I,,
IIii
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 17, 2016 01:00 PM (ECJ+C)
Should've gone with the old classic.
,I,,
Posted by: Sponge at June 17, 2016 01:02 PM (xttKs)
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Sorry. Just waking up from mid morning nap. Forgot who I was there, for an instant.
I think I shall go to Five Guys parking lot and try to buy a RPG.
I think I shall go to Five Guys parking lot and try to buy a RPG.
Posted by: Wreckless Lee at June 17, 2016 01:02 PM (evQ4x)
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Take away all the guns and we can fart flowers at each other.
Posted by: George Takei at June 17, 2016 01:03 PM (oRmNQ)
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The San Bernardino killers neighbors would have said something, but that might have been racist.
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:03 PM (v0YLX)
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No you can't get arrested for buying it but if they are suspicious about how you act and what you say then someone could like do some checks (as the media did in just a few days look at what was found out this guy had already done).
Like Ace said it's just CYA.
You can't arrest a criminal until after they act.
Other citizens could put a stop to his actions but no one's allowed to possess firearms in a place that sells liquor in Fla.
Which is funny because you used to be able to buy a mixed drink at a drive thru. ABC Liquors.
I don't know if you still can.
Like Ace said it's just CYA.
You can't arrest a criminal until after they act.
Other citizens could put a stop to his actions but no one's allowed to possess firearms in a place that sells liquor in Fla.
Which is funny because you used to be able to buy a mixed drink at a drive thru. ABC Liquors.
I don't know if you still can.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 17, 2016 01:03 PM (ECJ+C)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 01:04 PM (p4UlV)
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All I know is that when we were fighting this in Iraq, it was not being fought in Orlando, Paris, California, and Texas.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:04 PM (gmeXX)
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I would like to nominate myself for the title of "Most Obscure and/or Pointless Sock."
Thank you. I'm Lone Wolf, the pickpocket.
Thank you. I'm Lone Wolf, the pickpocket.
Posted by: Lone Wolf the Pickpocket at June 17, 2016 01:04 PM (u0s1P)
Posted by: the real ch3 at June 17, 2016 01:04 PM (IG5KL)
Posted by: MTF at June 17, 2016 01:05 PM (/m8T6)
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IMHO the FBI is a stew of political cynicism , garden variety incompetence , seasoned with plain old on the take crookedness .
Posted by: jay hoenemeyer at June 17, 2016 01:05 PM (uvj0z)
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argh that was too fast
Posted by: Lone Wolf the Pickpocket at June 17, 2016 01:05 PM (u0s1P)
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Like the mighty buffalo in days of yore, vast herds of lone wolves roam the wasteland.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2016 01:05 PM (R0C2R)
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The time to stop these guys is when they present arms.
But that can only happen if an armed citizen witnesses that.
I'm a believer in that you can't stop evil before it shows up.
But you can stop it cold once it appears. But only if you are ready and willing.
But of course with our special snowflake population these days they won't be able to admit this basic truth.
But that can only happen if an armed citizen witnesses that.
I'm a believer in that you can't stop evil before it shows up.
But you can stop it cold once it appears. But only if you are ready and willing.
But of course with our special snowflake population these days they won't be able to admit this basic truth.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 17, 2016 01:05 PM (ECJ+C)
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FBI: So you're saying a man with darker skin and a foreign sounding name was acting nervous, trying to buy body armor, and asking for bulk ammo? And then he made a phone call while in your store where he spoke in a foreign language? And his overall behavior and demeanor made you suspicious, so you called us?
Store owner: That's correct.
FBI: You need to check your white privilege. You'll be receiving an instructional pamphlet in the mail.
Store owner: Wait what?
FBI: And we'll be referring your insolence to the IRS. Good day.
Store owner: That's correct.
FBI: You need to check your white privilege. You'll be receiving an instructional pamphlet in the mail.
Store owner: Wait what?
FBI: And we'll be referring your insolence to the IRS. Good day.
Posted by: exclusive transcript at June 17, 2016 01:05 PM (MJuTN)
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Government is a juggernaut at this point. It's agencies and employees have no accountability and suffer no consequences for their illegal and/or incompetent actions. This shall not end well for us.
Posted by: kathysaysso at June 17, 2016 01:06 PM (43OZ6)
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Seems to me the "lone wolf" had a lot of company. There were plenty of fire batons juggling clowns and sword swallowers to fill a damn mini van.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2016 01:06 PM (oRmNQ)
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I think the saddest thing here is, had there been an armed person in the bar that was able to shoot the terrorist fuckhole before he did all that destruction, that hero would likely be arrested and charged with similar offenses as the terrorist.
Posted by: Sponge at June 17, 2016 01:06 PM (xttKs)
Posted by: Jean-Luc Picard at June 17, 2016 01:07 PM (YEelc)
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Major Hassan's superiors and colleagues were so concerned about him, that they did the only thing they could do to get rid of him.
They got him promoted and TRANSFERRED to Ft Hood. That solved their problem.
They got him promoted and TRANSFERRED to Ft Hood. That solved their problem.
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:07 PM (v0YLX)
Posted by: joni mitchell-buffy carpenter ste-marie at June 17, 2016 01:07 PM (PLnZs)
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There's also a quasi-conspiracy theory that based on the casualty numbers, that he wasn't the only shooter.
HotAir Headlines, IIRC. Lemme check.
HotAir Headlines, IIRC. Lemme check.
Posted by: Lone Wolf the Pickpocket at June 17, 2016 01:07 PM (u0s1P)
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"And wy did the FBI do nothing when alerted to a suscipcious man trying to buy armor and ammo?"
Cool body armor, Ahmed!
Cool body armor, Ahmed!
Posted by: Benji Carver at June 17, 2016 01:07 PM (OD2ni)
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Posted by: Lone Wolf the Pickpocket at June 17, 2016 01:04 PM (u0s1P)
Lone Wolf? Welcome to the watch list!
Lone Wolf? Welcome to the watch list!
Posted by: Sponge at June 17, 2016 01:07 PM (xttKs)
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They are faceless drones of bureaucrats following rules written by committees of political panderers.
Competence or efficiency doesn't enter into it.
Competence or efficiency doesn't enter into it.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 17, 2016 01:07 PM (Pby3z)
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What part of criminal don't liberals understand?
They think that if you pass a law that that stops all violations of the law?
In what universe does this happen?
Ask one the next time they mouth this crap: Do you ever speed?
And if they say yes then ask them how they could disobey the law like that?
And what makes them think that anyone else won't disobey the law. Even other laws besides speeding.
That should blow out a few brain cells and they'll leave you alone from then on.
They think that if you pass a law that that stops all violations of the law?
In what universe does this happen?
Ask one the next time they mouth this crap: Do you ever speed?
And if they say yes then ask them how they could disobey the law like that?
And what makes them think that anyone else won't disobey the law. Even other laws besides speeding.
That should blow out a few brain cells and they'll leave you alone from then on.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 17, 2016 01:08 PM (ECJ+C)
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Posted by: Wreckless Lee at June 17, 2016 01:02 PM (evQ4x)
What the hell, man!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KgcAxjbiyY
What the hell, man!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KgcAxjbiyY
Posted by: Wreckless Eric at June 17, 2016 01:08 PM (0cMkb)
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>>>Let's address the real root causeof terrorism: Government incompetence.
The real cause of terrorism in this country is we have allowed terrorists to live amongst us. I suppose you could put that on the government, too, since it failed to have better laws, but the lax immigration laws have widespread political support, especially among the elite. And not just on the Left.
It is our political system that has let us down. On too many issues, we do not have an opposition party to rally to. Instead, we have a choice between shit and flavored-shit.
The real cause of terrorism in this country is we have allowed terrorists to live amongst us. I suppose you could put that on the government, too, since it failed to have better laws, but the lax immigration laws have widespread political support, especially among the elite. And not just on the Left.
It is our political system that has let us down. On too many issues, we do not have an opposition party to rally to. Instead, we have a choice between shit and flavored-shit.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 17, 2016 01:08 PM (R+30W)
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Posted by: Sponge at June 17, 2016 01:06 PM (xttKs)
Yep because it's against Florida law to have a firearm in a place that sells liquor.
Yep because it's against Florida law to have a firearm in a place that sells liquor.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 17, 2016 01:09 PM (ECJ+C)
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Rush has been all over this today. En fuego.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 17, 2016 01:09 PM (5nGR8)
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There were so many red flags on this guy you could make a quilt that would cover all of Cleveland with them.
But you know, whoa Democrats and the FBI. Who saw that coming?
And of course their answer is it was the "gun". Sure. Got it.
But you know, whoa Democrats and the FBI. Who saw that coming?
And of course their answer is it was the "gun". Sure. Got it.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2016 01:09 PM (oRmNQ)
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"22 IMHO the FBI is a stew of political cynicism , garden variety incompetence , seasoned with plain old on the take crookedness .
Posted by: jay hoenemeyer"
Basically, just like every other government agency.
Posted by: jay hoenemeyer"
Basically, just like every other government agency.
Posted by: Benji Carver at June 17, 2016 01:09 PM (OD2ni)
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The real cause of terrorism in this country is we have allowed terrorists to live amongst us.
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In retrospect, moving the battlefield from there to here may not have been a good idea.
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In retrospect, moving the battlefield from there to here may not have been a good idea.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:09 PM (gmeXX)
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There's also a quasi-conspiracy theory that based on the casualty numbers, that he wasn't the only shooter.
That's a real head-scratcher.
That's a real head-scratcher.
Posted by: the LAPD at June 17, 2016 01:10 PM (PLnZs)
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Either the Obozo administration dropped the ball through unbelievable incompetence or else this attack happened because of the 2nd amendment and we all know it wasn't because of Obozo's incompetence.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2016 01:10 PM (R0C2R)
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Barack Obama and his administration expect us to be OK with the violence they foment and encourage. They expect us to pay the price of their ideological blindness in blood and rights.
Posted by: Fragtastic at June 17, 2016 01:10 PM (H1t5z)
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Of course, being wrong doesn't mean the government still won't pull its Jump to Conclusions Mat and speak ignorantly about firearms and the Second Amendment.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2016 01:10 PM (kFnmp)
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Will Trump speak to this with clarity and precision?
Posted by: the littl shyning man at June 17, 2016 01:11 PM (U6f54)
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IMHO the FBI is a stew of political cynicism , garden variety incompetence , seasoned with plain old on the take crookedness .
Posted by: jay hoenemeyer at June 17, 2016 01:05 PM (uvj0z)
If you were the FBI, would you rather deal with Mobsters, Bank Robbers, and White Collar Criminals; or some looney tune jihadi?
Posted by: jay hoenemeyer at June 17, 2016 01:05 PM (uvj0z)
If you were the FBI, would you rather deal with Mobsters, Bank Robbers, and White Collar Criminals; or some looney tune jihadi?
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:11 PM (v0YLX)
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The root problem of terrorism is the populations reaction to the acts.
If the people stand strong and face the realities then terrorism can't get a foothold.
But if the people are afraid and act stupidly and irrationally then terrorism wins.
Terrorism doesn't win through gov't stupidity (although it helps)
It's the peoples reaction to the acts that cause terrorism to win.
If the people stand strong and face the realities then terrorism can't get a foothold.
But if the people are afraid and act stupidly and irrationally then terrorism wins.
Terrorism doesn't win through gov't stupidity (although it helps)
It's the peoples reaction to the acts that cause terrorism to win.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 17, 2016 01:11 PM (ECJ+C)
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>>>I think the saddest thing here is, had there been an armed person in the bar that was able to shoot the terrorist fuckhole before he did all that destruction, that hero would likely be arrested and charged with similar offenses as the terrorist.<<<
My greatest fear is being the guy who plugs a tango and then gets capped by friendly-fire from some pumped up LEO.
My greatest fear is being the guy who plugs a tango and then gets capped by friendly-fire from some pumped up LEO.
Posted by: Fritz at June 17, 2016 01:11 PM (f40FU)
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En fuego!
Posted by: the guy who misses the guy who used to yell 'en fuego!' at June 17, 2016 01:11 PM (PLnZs)
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I also think, like Fast & Furious, the Obama administration privately smiles at events like these, since it helps their gun banning agenda.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2016 01:12 PM (kFnmp)
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Final Fantasy?
Man, don't tease me with the pop culture.
I think I have a bootleg copy of the animated version - - the movie, not the game - - and I was thinking, 'It helps to be stoned when you watch it'.
But I didn't label the disks and now I can't find it. Well, I did label the disk, but I still can't find it. Maybe I just watched it on Direct TV and thought I copied it to DVD. It was a long time ago.
Man, don't tease me with the pop culture.
I think I have a bootleg copy of the animated version - - the movie, not the game - - and I was thinking, 'It helps to be stoned when you watch it'.
But I didn't label the disks and now I can't find it. Well, I did label the disk, but I still can't find it. Maybe I just watched it on Direct TV and thought I copied it to DVD. It was a long time ago.
Posted by: Wreckless Lee at June 17, 2016 01:12 PM (evQ4x)
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Yep because it's against Florida law to have a firearm in a place that sells liquor.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 17, 2016 01:09 PM (ECJ+C)
Texas has the 51% law. If an establishment makes a minimum of 51% of its revenue from alcohol sales, you can't carry there.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 17, 2016 01:09 PM (ECJ+C)
Texas has the 51% law. If an establishment makes a minimum of 51% of its revenue from alcohol sales, you can't carry there.
Posted by: Sponge at June 17, 2016 01:12 PM (xttKs)
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Body Armor! PTSD! PTSD!
-Gersh Kuntzman
-Gersh Kuntzman
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2016 01:12 PM (T0djb)
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Mm, nope.
Posted by: Lone Wolf the Pickpocket at June 17, 2016 01:12 PM (u0s1P)
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49 Will Trump speak to this with clarity and precision?
Posted by: the littl shyning man at June 17, 2016 01:11 PM (U6f54)
He ain't no Ted Cruz. Especially in the well of the Senate yesterday.
Calling it like I see it, sadly.
Posted by: the littl shyning man at June 17, 2016 01:11 PM (U6f54)
He ain't no Ted Cruz. Especially in the well of the Senate yesterday.
Calling it like I see it, sadly.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 01:12 PM (p4UlV)
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Takei'so tweet makes no sense. How is the NBA messing with the gay community? Why doesn't he warned ISIS about the risk of tangling with the gay community?
Okay I just made myself laugh
So sorry.
Okay I just made myself laugh
So sorry.
Posted by: Northernlurker at June 17, 2016 01:12 PM (dC1U5)
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49 Will Trump speak to this with clarity and precision?
He will speak to it. Clarity and precision are optional.
He will speak to it. Clarity and precision are optional.
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:12 PM (v0YLX)
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4 You can get arrested for trying to buy body armor?
Seriously?
Posted by: Steff Ann Coal Bert Gummer at June 17, 2016 12:58 PM (evQ4x)
No, but when you walk into a gun store and ask for Level V body armor and shitload of ammo, it does raise an eyebrow. Which is why they called the FBI.
Seriously?
Posted by: Steff Ann Coal Bert Gummer at June 17, 2016 12:58 PM (evQ4x)
No, but when you walk into a gun store and ask for Level V body armor and shitload of ammo, it does raise an eyebrow. Which is why they called the FBI.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 01:12 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:13 PM (gmeXX)
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Well said Ace.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2016 01:13 PM (3ZoRf)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 01:14 PM (C9pBZ)
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BRAVO, Ace, BRAVO.
I get furious when the conversation gets shifted to some other bullshit arena.
Islamic, registered dem kills 49 people, somehow we are talking about radical christians who hate gays and need their guns taken away?
What??
I get furious when the conversation gets shifted to some other bullshit arena.
Islamic, registered dem kills 49 people, somehow we are talking about radical christians who hate gays and need their guns taken away?
What??
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:14 PM (U+nHb)
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Invade the world invite the world just keeps paying off.
It's amazing that this has led to a discussion of gun control. The media may not be what it was but it can still gaslight a good chunk of the population.
It's amazing that this has led to a discussion of gun control. The media may not be what it was but it can still gaslight a good chunk of the population.
Posted by: Jake (not officially a regular) at June 17, 2016 01:14 PM (1BdMd)
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Eric, you will have to tell me what's in that youtube. I have this IE v 6.2 locked down tight and youtube won't play here.
Posted by: Wreckless Lee at June 17, 2016 01:15 PM (evQ4x)
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63 since it helps their gun banning agenda
In what was?
They pushed F&F to shine a light on all the gun violence and offer their "solutions." Every massacre like this allows them to say they were right in their idiotic views, and more and more rubes warm to a gun ban.
In what was?
They pushed F&F to shine a light on all the gun violence and offer their "solutions." Every massacre like this allows them to say they were right in their idiotic views, and more and more rubes warm to a gun ban.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2016 01:15 PM (kFnmp)
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By rousing the bleeding hearts that think that banning something means it stops existing every where.
I can build a one shot in my home shop.
With some tooling I could build a submachine gun in that same shop.
Go ahead and ban firearms. And even ammo.
(that reminds me. I got to look into buying some reloading equipment.
)
I can build a one shot in my home shop.
With some tooling I could build a submachine gun in that same shop.
Go ahead and ban firearms. And even ammo.
(that reminds me. I got to look into buying some reloading equipment.
)Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 17, 2016 01:15 PM (ECJ+C)
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There's also a quasi-conspiracy theory that based on the casualty numbers, that he wasn't the only shooter.
Spent rounds, magazines, sciencey math stuff. All quantifiable.
Not saying it's a conspiracy. AM saying I don't trust the government out of hand.
Reagan - Trust, but verify.
Spent rounds, magazines, sciencey math stuff. All quantifiable.
Not saying it's a conspiracy. AM saying I don't trust the government out of hand.
Reagan - Trust, but verify.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2016 01:15 PM (T0djb)
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All I know is that when we were fighting this in Iraq, it was not being fought in Orlando, Paris, California, and Texas.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:04 PM (gmeXX)
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Interesting, every year Obama has been in office there has been a "domestic" terror attack here in the US.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:04 PM (gmeXX)
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Interesting, every year Obama has been in office there has been a "domestic" terror attack here in the US.
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:16 PM (U+nHb)
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Because it's not banning the mythical "assault weapons." It's about banning every firearm.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2016 01:16 PM (kFnmp)
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11 The FBI had several chances to stop this by directly being told of the terrorists intent. The people he worked with at the "security" company told there management. Nothing.
When he bought the guns, the FBI let him pass a NICS check.
This ain't about "gun control". It's about liberal controll and eradication.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2016 01:02 PM (oRmNQ)
He had been brought to the attention of the FBI twice before. Then Disney World called the FBI about him. Then the gun store called the FBI about him. The FBI leapt into action and proceeded to do fuck-all.
When he bought the guns, the FBI let him pass a NICS check.
This ain't about "gun control". It's about liberal controll and eradication.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2016 01:02 PM (oRmNQ)
He had been brought to the attention of the FBI twice before. Then Disney World called the FBI about him. Then the gun store called the FBI about him. The FBI leapt into action and proceeded to do fuck-all.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 01:16 PM (0mRoj)
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In what was?
They pushed F&F to shine a light on all the gun violence and offer their "solutions." Every massacre like this allows them to say they were right in their idiotic views, and more and more rubes warm to a gun ban.
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Honestly, I'm sure they think it does, but methinks it is having the opposite effect.
They pushed F&F to shine a light on all the gun violence and offer their "solutions." Every massacre like this allows them to say they were right in their idiotic views, and more and more rubes warm to a gun ban.
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Honestly, I'm sure they think it does, but methinks it is having the opposite effect.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:16 PM (gmeXX)
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56 Yep because it's against Florida law to have a firearm in a place that sells liquor.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 17, 2016 01:09 PM (ECJ+C)
Texas has the 51% law. If an establishment makes a minimum of 51% of its revenue from alcohol sales, you can't carry there.
Posted by: Sponge at June 17, 2016 01:12 PM (xttKs)
Minnesota allows you to carry into a bar if you don't imbibe.
The only reason you do not hear about all those gunbattles in the bars is because ... THEY NEVER HAPPEN!!!
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 17, 2016 01:09 PM (ECJ+C)
Texas has the 51% law. If an establishment makes a minimum of 51% of its revenue from alcohol sales, you can't carry there.
Posted by: Sponge at June 17, 2016 01:12 PM (xttKs)
Minnesota allows you to carry into a bar if you don't imbibe.
The only reason you do not hear about all those gunbattles in the bars is because ... THEY NEVER HAPPEN!!!
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:16 PM (v0YLX)
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No, but when you walk into a gun store and ask for Level V body armor and shitload of ammo, it does raise an eyebrow. Which is why they called the FBI.
While speaking arabic......
While speaking arabic......
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2016 01:16 PM (T0djb)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 17, 2016 01:16 PM (SeD0w)
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For some reason I'm having trouble copying and pasting with my new phone but this is a response to an earlier post.
I really don't believe police protect as I understand it. They'll catch the person after you're dead.
How many women have been murdered by known stalkers?
I really don't believe police protect as I understand it. They'll catch the person after you're dead.
How many women have been murdered by known stalkers?
Posted by: Northernlurker at June 17, 2016 01:16 PM (dC1U5)
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FBI: So you're saying a man with darker skin and a foreign sounding name was acting nervous, trying to buy body armor, and asking for bulk ammo? And then he made a phone call while in your store where he spoke in a foreign language? And his overall behavior and demeanor made you suspicious, so you called us?
Store owner: That's correct.
FBI: You need to check your white privilege. You'll be receiving an instructional pamphlet in the mail.
Store owner: Wait what?
FBI: And we'll be referring your insolence to the IRS. Good day.
Posted by: exclusive transcript at June 17, 2016 01:05 PM (MJuTN)
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On the last page of the instructional pamphlet will be a smiley face and a cell phone captioned in comic sans: "If you see something, say something!"
FBI: So you're saying a man with darker skin and a foreign sounding name was acting nervous, trying to buy body armor, and asking for bulk ammo? And then he made a phone call while in your store where he spoke in a foreign language? And his overall behavior and demeanor made you suspicious, so you called us?
Store owner: That's correct.
FBI: You need to check your white privilege. You'll be receiving an instructional pamphlet in the mail.
Store owner: Wait what?
FBI: And we'll be referring your insolence to the IRS. Good day.
Posted by: exclusive transcript at June 17, 2016 01:05 PM (MJuTN)
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On the last page of the instructional pamphlet will be a smiley face and a cell phone captioned in comic sans: "If you see something, say something!"
Posted by: iforgot (NeverTrumpers, avert eyes) at June 17, 2016 01:16 PM (pC96u)
Posted by: eleven at June 17, 2016 01:16 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 01:16 PM (C9pBZ)
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Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within is only very tenuously connected with the rest of the franchise.
Given that most FF games are only loosely related to each other, I guess it just meets a very low bar. (And that bar is, "Is Final Fantasy in the name?")
Anyway, it did give us the first virtual actress Aki Ross, who they were sure was gonna be The Next Big Thing.
Given that most FF games are only loosely related to each other, I guess it just meets a very low bar. (And that bar is, "Is Final Fantasy in the name?")
Anyway, it did give us the first virtual actress Aki Ross, who they were sure was gonna be The Next Big Thing.
Posted by: Lone Wolf the Pickpocket at June 17, 2016 01:17 PM (u0s1P)
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70 By rousing the bleeding hearts that think that banning something means it stops existing every where.
Hey drugs are illegal and that problem dried right up!
Hey drugs are illegal and that problem dried right up!
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2016 01:17 PM (kFnmp)
Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 01:17 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: eleven at June 17, 2016 01:17 PM (qUNWi)
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82 And I, too, miss en fuego dude.
And my buddy's 1984 Fuego...
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 01:16 PM (C9pBZ)
Pontiac, right?
And my buddy's 1984 Fuego...
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 01:16 PM (C9pBZ)
Pontiac, right?
Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 01:18 PM (0mRoj)
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More failed laws like 0bamacare, that won't do what was promised, and cost taxpayers billions.
Posted by: willy at June 17, 2016 01:18 PM (Ffw22)
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Yeah, this guy wasn't some oasis, someone was behind him, guiding him, moving him toward the goal. Who was it? The FBI seems spectacularly disinterested in digging into this stuff (like in San Bernardino). Maybe they are behind the scenes, and the impression is like this because it helps them catch the big bad guy behind the terrorist. Maybe.
Or maybe they're so dominated by PC appointees and the Obama Administration's "see no evil" attitude toward Islam that they just drop the trail when it gets too crescent moon shaped.
Or maybe they're so dominated by PC appointees and the Obama Administration's "see no evil" attitude toward Islam that they just drop the trail when it gets too crescent moon shaped.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 17, 2016 01:18 PM (39g3+)
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Disney also reported him to the FBI.
Posted by: Lauren at June 17, 2016 01:18 PM (Y1Jhk)
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Honestly, I'm sure they think it does, but methinks it is having the opposite effect.
For conservatives and libertarians, but the libs are in lock-step with this.
For conservatives and libertarians, but the libs are in lock-step with this.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2016 01:18 PM (kFnmp)
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31 Major Hassan's superiors and colleagues were so concerned about him, that they did the only thing they could do to get rid of him.
They got him promoted and TRANSFERRED to Ft Hood. That solved their problem.
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:07 PM (v0YLX)
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Which is why I have a special hatred for DC.
Horde members that live there aside, I wouldn't bat an eyelash if DC was turned into stinkin' slab of glass.
They got him promoted and TRANSFERRED to Ft Hood. That solved their problem.
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:07 PM (v0YLX)
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Which is why I have a special hatred for DC.
Horde members that live there aside, I wouldn't bat an eyelash if DC was turned into stinkin' slab of glass.
Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 17, 2016 01:18 PM (rlfds)
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Maybe he was talking to his thus far unarrested co-conspirator 2d wife.
Understand something anyone who thinks "common sense" says "people on the list shouldn't be able to buy guns."
Omar Mateen was on the list twice for ~six incidents of threatening religiously motivated violence. FBI investigated two times and removed him from the list essentially saying "we think his G4S coworkers are wacist."
The Federal Government does not think the guy who shot 103 people in the name of Islamic Jihad belongs on the terror list, they think YOU do.
Understand something anyone who thinks "common sense" says "people on the list shouldn't be able to buy guns."
Omar Mateen was on the list twice for ~six incidents of threatening religiously motivated violence. FBI investigated two times and removed him from the list essentially saying "we think his G4S coworkers are wacist."
The Federal Government does not think the guy who shot 103 people in the name of Islamic Jihad belongs on the terror list, they think YOU do.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:19 PM (g8Hfr)
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They pushed F&F to shine a light on all the gun violence and offer their "solutions." Every massacre like this allows them to say they were right in their idiotic views, and more and more rubes warm to a gun ban.
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Honestly, I'm sure they think it does, but methinks it is having the opposite effect.
If it was, there wouldn't be four gun control bills before congress for next week.
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Honestly, I'm sure they think it does, but methinks it is having the opposite effect.
If it was, there wouldn't be four gun control bills before congress for next week.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2016 01:19 PM (T0djb)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 01:19 PM (C9pBZ)
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21 Apparently the police think they can "take care of us".
I'm sure they have a metric shit ton of chalk to take care of drawing the outline around your lifeless corpse.
How much caring do you need, Greedy McGreedHead?
21 Apparently the police think they can "take care of us".
I'm sure they have a metric shit ton of chalk to take care of drawing the outline around your lifeless corpse.
How much caring do you need, Greedy McGreedHead?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 17, 2016 01:19 PM (uVmqw)
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 17, 2016 01:19 PM (dFi94)
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Ex girl friend had a fuego. She said it wouldn't climb hills atall. It was a traffic hazard on the freeway.
I laughed.
I laughed.
Posted by: Wreckless Lee at June 17, 2016 01:20 PM (evQ4x)
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"Because it's not banning the mythical "assault weapons." It's about banning every firearm."
First assault weapons.......then "sniper rifles." Because that's a "military" weapon after all.
First assault weapons.......then "sniper rifles." Because that's a "military" weapon after all.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 17, 2016 01:20 PM (5nGR8)
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He ain't no Ted Cruz. Especially in the well of the Senate yesterday.
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Rush today said Cruz was wrong. Cruz essentially said the majority of Americans agree with us. Ten years ago that was true but no longer. The crazies and the perverts have won.
I, for one, would welcome some new alien overlords. They couldn't possibly be as evil as the Adonis.
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Rush today said Cruz was wrong. Cruz essentially said the majority of Americans agree with us. Ten years ago that was true but no longer. The crazies and the perverts have won.
I, for one, would welcome some new alien overlords. They couldn't possibly be as evil as the Adonis.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2016 01:20 PM (R0C2R)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2016 01:20 PM (kFnmp)
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95 87,
Sure.
(Not sure if kidding)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 01:19 PM (C9pBZ)
Yes I'm kidding. And I knew you were kidding. But I didn't know if you knew I was kidding. But now I know.
Sure.
(Not sure if kidding)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 01:19 PM (C9pBZ)
Yes I'm kidding. And I knew you were kidding. But I didn't know if you knew I was kidding. But now I know.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 01:20 PM (0mRoj)
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Yep.
How about we follow the thread back to the beginning: Omar's family emigrating to the US.
Why did his father raise no red flags as a vocal supporter of the Taliban, running for president of Afghanistan, creating a pro-Taliban "charity" in 2010? *Why was he meeting with members of Congress?*
When did the Taliban become *not* our enemy?
So...why was a Taliban member allowed to move here in the first place?!?!?!?
It's a lot easier to weed out the "lone wolves" if you don't let them onto American soil in the first place.
How about we follow the thread back to the beginning: Omar's family emigrating to the US.
Why did his father raise no red flags as a vocal supporter of the Taliban, running for president of Afghanistan, creating a pro-Taliban "charity" in 2010? *Why was he meeting with members of Congress?*
When did the Taliban become *not* our enemy?
So...why was a Taliban member allowed to move here in the first place?!?!?!?
It's a lot easier to weed out the "lone wolves" if you don't let them onto American soil in the first place.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 17, 2016 01:21 PM (NOIQH)
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One of the strangest occurrences in my life was walking down the street from my daughters house in Cherry Hill, NJ and approaching a 7-11. Out the door flew some guy, obviously agitated, speaking in Arabic.
He saw me. Because of my physical condition many people think I'm ex-military or a cop. The dude flew into a nearby car and continued his conversation.
When I got back to my daughters house I said, 'They're here. On your street.' Turns out I wasn't paranoid or delusional.
It was one of the Ft Dix Six plotters, who worked at that store. Small world, or are other people just oblivious to everything around them?
He saw me. Because of my physical condition many people think I'm ex-military or a cop. The dude flew into a nearby car and continued his conversation.
When I got back to my daughters house I said, 'They're here. On your street.' Turns out I wasn't paranoid or delusional.
It was one of the Ft Dix Six plotters, who worked at that store. Small world, or are other people just oblivious to everything around them?
Posted by: Lice Wags at June 17, 2016 01:21 PM (ZnIt3)
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Our country made the decision to shut down the battlefield. But the war was not over. The battlefield has been moved. Elections do have consequences.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:21 PM (gmeXX)
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How the hell could he even talk on the phone after lighting off a bunch of 5.56 indoors?
Posted by: Chupacabra at June 17, 2016 01:21 PM (sPO/s)
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Why did his father raise no red flags as a vocal supporter of the Taliban, running for president of Afghanistan, creating a pro-Taliban "charity" in 2010? *Why was he meeting with members of Congress?*
Because the Obama administration supports Islam well over any other religion.
Because the Obama administration supports Islam well over any other religion.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2016 01:21 PM (kFnmp)
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94 Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2016 01:19 PM (T0djb)
Quite...Congress passes any of them the GOP is doomed.
I will make it my mission to cut down the rotten tree.
Quite...Congress passes any of them the GOP is doomed.
I will make it my mission to cut down the rotten tree.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:21 PM (g8Hfr)
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One of the problems with this administration? They make all conspiracy theories seem less crazy and most outright plausible based on the administrations actions.
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:22 PM (U+nHb)
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A compromise on the no fly list ban, when the gun store does a background check, it should let them know if they are on the no fly list and let the store decide.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 17, 2016 01:22 PM (c4yY7)
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Don't know about more shooters
By casualty rate versus a full loaded LBE I can believe he did it himself, particularly because he was apparently trained by the government to some degree
By casualty rate versus a full loaded LBE I can believe he did it himself, particularly because he was apparently trained by the government to some degree
Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at June 17, 2016 01:22 PM (iR+s6)
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"Ex girl friend had a fuego. She said it wouldn't climb hills atall. It was a traffic hazard on the freeway. "
The Fuego was FIAT's worst model by far.
The Fuego was FIAT's worst model by far.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 17, 2016 01:22 PM (5nGR8)
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Apparently the police think they can "take care of us".
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If they happen to feel like it. They didn't feel like it in San Jose.
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If they happen to feel like it. They didn't feel like it in San Jose.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2016 01:22 PM (R0C2R)
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105 Our country made the decision to shut down the battlefield. But the war was not over. The battlefield has been moved. Elections do have consequences.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:21 PM (gmeXX)
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This^
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:21 PM (gmeXX)
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This^
Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 17, 2016 01:22 PM (rlfds)
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DM reports that Crazy Mair in UK got how-to manuals from National Alliance, a 'far-right' group in US.
MSM will latch on to this for sure....
http://tinyurl.com/zevyxnc
MSM will latch on to this for sure....
http://tinyurl.com/zevyxnc
Posted by: McCool at June 17, 2016 01:22 PM (nCSwS)
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71 There's also a quasi-conspiracy theory that based on the casualty numbers, that he wasn't the only shooter.
Spent rounds, magazines, sciencey math stuff. All quantifiable.
Not saying it's a conspiracy. AM saying I don't trust the government out of hand.
Reagan - Trust, but verify.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2016 01:15 PM (T0djb)
The death toll had nothing to do with the Orlando PD sitting on their asses for three hours while everyone bled out, and Omar walking into the second bathroom and shooting the shit out of everyone about two hours and 45 minutes into the "barricaded suspect situation."
Nope, not related at all!
Spent rounds, magazines, sciencey math stuff. All quantifiable.
Not saying it's a conspiracy. AM saying I don't trust the government out of hand.
Reagan - Trust, but verify.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2016 01:15 PM (T0djb)
The death toll had nothing to do with the Orlando PD sitting on their asses for three hours while everyone bled out, and Omar walking into the second bathroom and shooting the shit out of everyone about two hours and 45 minutes into the "barricaded suspect situation."
Nope, not related at all!
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:23 PM (v0YLX)
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A compromise on the no fly list ban, when the gun store does a background check, it should let them know if they are on the no fly list and let the store decide.
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Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:23 PM (gmeXX)
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>>Because the Obama administration supports Islam well over any other religion.
The Taliban are still killing our soldiers, right?
This whole thing stinks.
The Taliban are still killing our soldiers, right?
This whole thing stinks.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 17, 2016 01:24 PM (NOIQH)
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No more compromise.
Posted by: Chupacabra at June 17, 2016 01:25 PM (sPO/s)
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Get Your Barack Obama Signature Distraction and Deflection Kit at the Outrage Outlet! at June 17, 2016 01:25 PM (hLRSq)
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> Texas has the 51% law. If an establishment makes a minimum of 51% of its revenue from alcohol sales, you can't carry there.
Posted by: Sponge at June 17, 2016
South Dakota has the same 51% rule, but just how are you supposed to find that out at every restaurant with a bar? My ccw's (SD Enhanced, and AZ non-res) are honored in 39 states (2 more pending).
Anybody know of a good site for a compilation of individual state restrictions like this?
Remember, when seconds count, the Police are just minutes away!
Posted by: Sponge at June 17, 2016
South Dakota has the same 51% rule, but just how are you supposed to find that out at every restaurant with a bar? My ccw's (SD Enhanced, and AZ non-res) are honored in 39 states (2 more pending).
Anybody know of a good site for a compilation of individual state restrictions like this?
Remember, when seconds count, the Police are just minutes away!
Posted by: Not Barky Hussien today at June 17, 2016 01:25 PM (25+/B)
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113 Apparently the police think they can "take care of us".
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If they happen to feel like it. They didn't feel like it in San Jose.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2016 01:22 PM (R0C2R)
They might get around to it once they've decided they'll be safe.
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If they happen to feel like it. They didn't feel like it in San Jose.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2016 01:22 PM (R0C2R)
They might get around to it once they've decided they'll be safe.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 01:25 PM (0mRoj)
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The Taliban are still killing our soldiers, right?
Yep, and American Muslims are shooting other Americans at home for shits and giggles.
Yep, and American Muslims are shooting other Americans at home for shits and giggles.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2016 01:25 PM (kFnmp)
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97 Who Was the "Lone Wolf" Terrorist Talking to On the Phone?
Hall and Oates
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 17, 2016 01:19 PM (dFi94)
867-5309 (and now the song is stuck in your head.)
Hall and Oates
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 17, 2016 01:19 PM (dFi94)
867-5309 (and now the song is stuck in your head.)
Posted by: Tommy Tutone at June 17, 2016 01:25 PM (3ZoRf)
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But I knew that you knew, and wanted to make sure that they didn't know that I knew that you knew.
Got it?
Studebaker Fuego...
Got it?
Studebaker Fuego...
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 01:25 PM (C9pBZ)
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All I know is that Democrat Speaker of the House Paul Ryan is a known wolf in the Leftist jihad on America.
All I know is that Democrat Speaker of the House Paul Ryan is a known wolf in the Leftist jihad on America.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2016 01:26 PM (ODxAs)
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111
Don't know about more shooters
By casualty rate versus a full loaded LBE I can believe he did it
himself, particularly because he was apparently trained by the
government to some degree
Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at June 17, 2016 01:22 PM (iR+s6)
I have to say I'm skeptical that he had help.Many of the victims gathered in the restroom and huddled together. That right there is shooting fish in a barrel. And if the reports I've read are true -that is where the majority of the victims were.One of the people at the bar had blocked one of the exit doors in an attempt to keep the shooter from coming out and shooting them. That contributes to death toll by closing off an escape route. All the others were by the front door - which was primarily where the shooter was.
Don't know about more shooters
By casualty rate versus a full loaded LBE I can believe he did it
himself, particularly because he was apparently trained by the
government to some degree
Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at June 17, 2016 01:22 PM (iR+s6)
I have to say I'm skeptical that he had help.Many of the victims gathered in the restroom and huddled together. That right there is shooting fish in a barrel. And if the reports I've read are true -that is where the majority of the victims were.One of the people at the bar had blocked one of the exit doors in an attempt to keep the shooter from coming out and shooting them. That contributes to death toll by closing off an escape route. All the others were by the front door - which was primarily where the shooter was.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 17, 2016 01:26 PM (jxbfJ)
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We can follow the the healing in Ace's eyes by counting the typos in each of his posts.
Posted by: ArthurK at June 17, 2016 01:26 PM (h53OH)
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Zerohedge has had several articles citing witnesses who said there were multiple shooters.
Oddly, MSM doesn't seem to be even remotely considering them.
Oddly, MSM doesn't seem to be even remotely considering them.
Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 17, 2016 01:26 PM (3Liv/)
Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 01:26 PM (0mRoj)
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110 Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 17, 2016 01:22 PM (c4yY7)
Nope, why is it so hard to understand?
If the Feds have enough cause to deny an enumerated right to a US citizen then by Jesus they have enough to being forth a fucking Goddamned case.
Period, full fucking stop.
If I wanted to live in "Minority Report" I'd get high on LSD and wear VR Goggles watching it.
The Feds took the fucker off the list.
They don't think he was a terror suspect at all, they think the Tea Partiers they sicced the IRS on are terrorists.
Nope, why is it so hard to understand?
If the Feds have enough cause to deny an enumerated right to a US citizen then by Jesus they have enough to being forth a fucking Goddamned case.
Period, full fucking stop.
If I wanted to live in "Minority Report" I'd get high on LSD and wear VR Goggles watching it.
The Feds took the fucker off the list.
They don't think he was a terror suspect at all, they think the Tea Partiers they sicced the IRS on are terrorists.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:26 PM (g8Hfr)
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The death toll had nothing to do with the Orlando PD sitting on their asses for three hours while everyone bled out, and Omar walking into the second bathroom and shooting the shit out of everyone about two hours and 45 minutes into the "barricaded suspect situation."
Nope, not related at all!
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:23 PM (v0YLX)
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I don't understand the decision to "wait and see".
The death toll had nothing to do with the Orlando PD sitting on their asses for three hours while everyone bled out, and Omar walking into the second bathroom and shooting the shit out of everyone about two hours and 45 minutes into the "barricaded suspect situation."
Nope, not related at all!
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:23 PM (v0YLX)
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I don't understand the decision to "wait and see".
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:26 PM (U+nHb)
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123
The Taliban are still killing our soldiers, right?
Yep, and American Muslims are shooting other Americans at home for shits and giggles.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2016 01:25 PM (kFnmp)
We declared the wars over, but someone forgot to tell the enemy.
The Taliban are still killing our soldiers, right?
Yep, and American Muslims are shooting other Americans at home for shits and giggles.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2016 01:25 PM (kFnmp)
We declared the wars over, but someone forgot to tell the enemy.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 17, 2016 01:26 PM (jxbfJ)
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So...why was a Taliban member allowed to move here in the first place?!?!?!?
NASA's muslim outreach program
NASA's muslim outreach program
Posted by: brak at June 17, 2016 01:27 PM (MJuTN)
135
How the hell could he even talk on the phone after lighting off a bunch of 5.56 indoors?
Yeah! I bruised the shit outta my texting finger pulling the trigger on that AR-15 rocket-launcher I fired!
Yeah! I bruised the shit outta my texting finger pulling the trigger on that AR-15 rocket-launcher I fired!
Posted by: gush kuntsman at June 17, 2016 01:27 PM (PLnZs)
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100 He ain't no Ted Cruz. Especially in the well of the Senate yesterday.
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Rush today said Cruz was wrong. Cruz essentially said the majority of Americans agree with us. Ten years ago that was true but no longer. The crazies and the perverts have won.
I, for one, would welcome some new alien overlords. They couldn't possibly be as evil as the Adonis.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2016 01:20 PM (R0C2R)
You're making a tangential point that does not address the issue.
Cruz blasted away at the Democrats for trying to blame the 2A and not Islam. He was powerful and passionate and dead balls on.
I understand Mr. Trump wants to have a talk with the NRA.
Sheesh.
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Rush today said Cruz was wrong. Cruz essentially said the majority of Americans agree with us. Ten years ago that was true but no longer. The crazies and the perverts have won.
I, for one, would welcome some new alien overlords. They couldn't possibly be as evil as the Adonis.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2016 01:20 PM (R0C2R)
You're making a tangential point that does not address the issue.
Cruz blasted away at the Democrats for trying to blame the 2A and not Islam. He was powerful and passionate and dead balls on.
I understand Mr. Trump wants to have a talk with the NRA.
Sheesh.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 01:27 PM (p4UlV)
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There is no compromise left to do on guns. The existing gun laws we have are all compromise. We've already agreed to cede some of our rights to gun self defense already by requiring special licenses for certain arms. We already compromised. Like I noted yesterday, this is how the left works:
Leftist: we demand 100%
Conservative: No, 0%
Leftist: Ok lets compromise at 50%
Conservative: OK
later...
Leftist: We demand 100%
Conservative: no, 50%
Leftist: OK let's compromise, 75%
Conservative: OK
later....
Leftist: We demand 100%
Conservative: no, 75%
Leftist OK let's compromise, 82%
and on and on it goes. The compromise means it moves to the left every time. We never compromise for more freedom, always less.
NO MORE COMPROMISE.
Leftist: we demand 100%
Conservative: No, 0%
Leftist: Ok lets compromise at 50%
Conservative: OK
later...
Leftist: We demand 100%
Conservative: no, 50%
Leftist: OK let's compromise, 75%
Conservative: OK
later....
Leftist: We demand 100%
Conservative: no, 75%
Leftist OK let's compromise, 82%
and on and on it goes. The compromise means it moves to the left every time. We never compromise for more freedom, always less.
NO MORE COMPROMISE.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 17, 2016 01:27 PM (39g3+)
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132
I don't understand the decision to "wait and see".
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:26 PM (U+nHb)
I'm curious to this as well. One would have thought with the other mass shootings that we learned that "wait and see" only increases the casualty count.
I don't understand the decision to "wait and see".
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:26 PM (U+nHb)
I'm curious to this as well. One would have thought with the other mass shootings that we learned that "wait and see" only increases the casualty count.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (jxbfJ)
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A compromise on the no fly list ban, when the gun store does a background check, it should let them know if they are on the no fly list and let the store decide.
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Here's my counter proposal - eliminate the TSA.
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Here's my counter proposal - eliminate the TSA.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (gmeXX)
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Not dating he has helps during the shooting. Just prepping paying for and planning it.
Posted by: Lauren at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (Y1Jhk)
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By casualty rate versus a full loaded LBE I can believe he did it himself, particularly because he was apparently trained by the government to some degree
500+ rounds? Remember, he shot, injured and killed 102. All hit multiple times. PLUS an hour long intense firefight with SWAT. He supposedly shot his way in. So ALL of his ammo would have already been mag loaded. He wouldn't have been able to aim, shoot his way in WHILE carrying an ammo can.
Oh, and I haven't even counted the pistol, ammo & mags.
THAT'S the sciencey math stuff I want answered.
How many rounds did HE shoot. How many mags did he have?
If the numbers don't add up, something is fishy.
500+ rounds? Remember, he shot, injured and killed 102. All hit multiple times. PLUS an hour long intense firefight with SWAT. He supposedly shot his way in. So ALL of his ammo would have already been mag loaded. He wouldn't have been able to aim, shoot his way in WHILE carrying an ammo can.
Oh, and I haven't even counted the pistol, ammo & mags.
THAT'S the sciencey math stuff I want answered.
How many rounds did HE shoot. How many mags did he have?
If the numbers don't add up, something is fishy.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (T0djb)
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What part of criminal don't liberals understand?
They think that if you pass a law that that stops all violations of the law?
That's because libtards are all authoritarian assholes. They think that all they need to do is pass a decree and everyone will obey. As bad and as fundamentally misinformed of human nature that is, it is compounded by the fact that they are impervious to the lack of results from their edicts, answering that lack by doubling down rather than reevaluating and reconsidering.
These people are mindbogglingly, sand poundingly stupid.
And we have put them in charge.
They think that if you pass a law that that stops all violations of the law?
That's because libtards are all authoritarian assholes. They think that all they need to do is pass a decree and everyone will obey. As bad and as fundamentally misinformed of human nature that is, it is compounded by the fact that they are impervious to the lack of results from their edicts, answering that lack by doubling down rather than reevaluating and reconsidering.
These people are mindbogglingly, sand poundingly stupid.
And we have put them in charge.
Posted by: LGoPs at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (35KV+)
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#132,
Government jobs. No risk wanted any more...
Government jobs. No risk wanted any more...
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (C9pBZ)
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127 Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 17, 2016 01:26 PM (jxbfJ)
I explained last night how he likely did it.
If he was killed wearing a 3 point or single point sling I know how he did it.
He scouted out a pre-choked shooting gallery and then herded the victims into a no escape out of his sight lines vector and pointed the pistol at people while he reloaded.
I explained last night how he likely did it.
If he was killed wearing a 3 point or single point sling I know how he did it.
He scouted out a pre-choked shooting gallery and then herded the victims into a no escape out of his sight lines vector and pointed the pistol at people while he reloaded.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (g8Hfr)
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They don't think he was a terror suspect at all, they think the Tea Partiers they sicced the IRS on are terrorists.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:26 PM (g8Hfr)
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Am I dreaming this or didn't several whistleblowers say that Islam, radical islam, etc was to be wiped from the FBI and DHS manuals?
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:26 PM (g8Hfr)
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Am I dreaming this or didn't several whistleblowers say that Islam, radical islam, etc was to be wiped from the FBI and DHS manuals?
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (U+nHb)
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Don't know about more shooters
By casualty rate versus a full loaded LBE I can believe he did it himself, particularly because he was apparently trained by the government to some degree
Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at June 17, 2016 01:22 PM (iR+s6)
I worked with G4S (guards for sale?) people at our work site. Our guys were trained, and we even had a training range where they practiced shooting pistols and AR15's regularly. So, yes it is likely he was familiar with the guns.
By casualty rate versus a full loaded LBE I can believe he did it himself, particularly because he was apparently trained by the government to some degree
Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at June 17, 2016 01:22 PM (iR+s6)
I worked with G4S (guards for sale?) people at our work site. Our guys were trained, and we even had a training range where they practiced shooting pistols and AR15's regularly. So, yes it is likely he was familiar with the guns.
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (v0YLX)
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Another nasty day in the market--of course, the MFM would have you believe there's no correlation between the rush to cash and Obama's approvals going up and Hillary!'s climb in the polls.
If you had shorted last week when I called it, you'd be raking in some vacation money by now.
If you had shorted last week when I called it, you'd be raking in some vacation money by now.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (hqZPQ)
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By casualty rate versus a full loaded LBE I can believe he did it
himself, particularly because he was apparently trained by the
government to some degree
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And his targets were panicked and liquored up.
himself, particularly because he was apparently trained by the
government to some degree
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And his targets were panicked and liquored up.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (R0C2R)
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I really think Law Enforcement botched this up from top to bottom, from the Feds to local police, but boy are they good about harassing law abiding people over stupid shit on a regular basis.
Posted by: Maritime at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (BT0Cw)
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Reports are that over one million Muslims have come into the US since Obama
Odds of an ISIS attack on Euro soccer tourney in France are not low.
Odds of an ISIS attack on Euro soccer tourney in France are not low.
Posted by: Ignoramus at June 17, 2016 01:29 PM (JoaM3)
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"So...why was a Taliban member allowed to move here in the first place?!?!?!?"
Thoroughly. Vetted.
Thoroughly. Vetted.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 17, 2016 01:29 PM (5nGR8)
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I really think Law Enforcement botched this up from top to bottom, from the Feds to local police, but boy are they good about harassing law abiding people over stupid shit on a regular basis.
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Now wear your seatbelt or we will fine you.
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Now wear your seatbelt or we will fine you.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:29 PM (gmeXX)
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TFG yesterday said the Orlando and San Bernardino killers were "home grown" and acted because of Internet toxicity.
And yet, these "home grown"ers made multiple trips to the ME. I guess there are 57 states after all, if only he would tell us which were the other seven.
TFG yesterday said the Orlando and San Bernardino killers were "home grown" and acted because of Internet toxicity.
And yet, these "home grown"ers made multiple trips to the ME. I guess there are 57 states after all, if only he would tell us which were the other seven.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 17, 2016 01:30 PM (uVmqw)
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Just to put it in perspective, I was "delayed" buying a pistol recently at a gun store (before this incident) and yet I have a spotless criminal record, was born here, and only lived in one state.
But Omar sailed right through.
But Omar sailed right through.
Posted by: Maritime at June 17, 2016 01:30 PM (BT0Cw)
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149 I really think Law Enforcement botched this up from top to bottom, from the Feds to local police, but boy are they good about harassing law abiding people over stupid shit on a regular basis.
Posted by: Maritime at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (BT0Cw)
That's because a) it's safe and b) generates revenue.
Posted by: Maritime at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (BT0Cw)
That's because a) it's safe and b) generates revenue.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 01:30 PM (0mRoj)
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If grammi-winger is around -
apologies. I misread the title. It was Billy Graham's team/volunteers. He wasn't actually present.
apologies. I misread the title. It was Billy Graham's team/volunteers. He wasn't actually present.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 17, 2016 01:30 PM (Lixdp)
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NO MORE COMPROMISE.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 17, 2016 01:27 PM (39g3+)
I agree. We draw a line, erase it and retreat. Rinse, Repeat.
And it isn't just gun control. The left uses this approach (very effectively) on most other issues as well. And the GOPe curls up into a fetal position with one thumb in their mouth, the other in their arse - every time.
NO MORE COMPROMISE.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 17, 2016 01:27 PM (39g3+)
I agree. We draw a line, erase it and retreat. Rinse, Repeat.
And it isn't just gun control. The left uses this approach (very effectively) on most other issues as well. And the GOPe curls up into a fetal position with one thumb in their mouth, the other in their arse - every time.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 17, 2016 01:30 PM (jxbfJ)
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One CCW in that club could have ended it while this scummy piece of crap was busy with his social media campaign.
Gun control wouldn't have saved those victims. Gun control is what killed them.
Gun control wouldn't have saved those victims. Gun control is what killed them.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 17, 2016 01:30 PM (eytER)
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I don't understand the decision to "wait and see".
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:26 PM (U+nHb)
I'm curious to this as well. One would have thought with the other mass shootings that we learned that "wait and see" only increases the casualty count.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (jxbfJ)
I get the feeling that they completely misread the situation- that it was a hostage taking and not a spree killing.
I don't understand the decision to "wait and see".
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:26 PM (U+nHb)
I'm curious to this as well. One would have thought with the other mass shootings that we learned that "wait and see" only increases the casualty count.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (jxbfJ)
I get the feeling that they completely misread the situation- that it was a hostage taking and not a spree killing.
Posted by: Tommy Tutone at June 17, 2016 01:30 PM (3ZoRf)
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134 Posted by: brak at June 17, 2016 01:27 PM (MJuTN)
Dear old dad was in all likelihood one of the Communist educated vectors through which CIA was able to contact the Pre-Taliban Mujahadeen.
He was brought over here to act as a political advisor to the CIA's thinkers on Muj politics if I had to bet on it.
Ironically he has a rolodex of contacts in the NY Donkey party.
Dear old dad was in all likelihood one of the Communist educated vectors through which CIA was able to contact the Pre-Taliban Mujahadeen.
He was brought over here to act as a political advisor to the CIA's thinkers on Muj politics if I had to bet on it.
Ironically he has a rolodex of contacts in the NY Donkey party.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:30 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Lizzy at June 17, 2016 01:30 PM (NOIQH)
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and hour long intense firefight with SWAT? Is there video? I need to know how he did it.
and hour long intense firefight with SWAT? Is there video? I need to know how he did it.
Posted by: Wreckless Lee at June 17, 2016 01:31 PM (evQ4x)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 01:31 PM (C9pBZ)
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The root cause of terrorism is found in the pages of the koran. It's been that way since the 7th century.
The reason Americans are unable to effectively defend ourselves is that the uniparty of the Left and the GOPe no longer believe the United States is based on any metaphysical principle.
We founded the country based on the belief that because of man's relation to God, man had inalienable rights that in principle were above and beyond the government. For example, since every human is created in the image of God, each human life has worth and has the right to self-defense, even from government itself, and therefore the right to have and bear a weapon to defend oneself is above and beyond the power of government, hence the 2A RKBA.
But no one in the Democrat party or the GOPe believes that today. They believe only in "science." But science doesn't speak one way or the other on the question of God-given rights. To the extent some people claim it does, they claim that science has disproved God, and therefore inalienable rights are a fiction.
The belief system of Islam is directly contrary to the God-given inalienable rights principle at the foundation of our society. Under Islam, the Muslim has Allah-given superior rights over other humans.
But since all of this is beyond the purview of "science" and only "science" is understood by the Marxists and other materialists, they are unable to distinguish Islam from any other metaphysical belief system and have no weapon to fight it as a belief system.
Paul Ryan is a good example - an Ayn Randian-style materialist, he simply has no way to comprehend Islam or to distinguish it from the Judeo-Christian inalienable rights principle at the foundation of our society. So he is outraged at any suggestion of limiting Islamic immigration and resettlement into the USA. Indeed, he is threatening to sue on behalf of Congress any president who attempts to do so.
Because the media and the Uniparty are of one mind in these matters, we have no national conversation on the nature of Islam as a system of belief and or even of the nature of the United States as a society founded on a certain system of belief, so certainly the matter of whether the principles upon which Islam rests are compatible with American civilization is simply never broached.
The reason Americans are unable to effectively defend ourselves is that the uniparty of the Left and the GOPe no longer believe the United States is based on any metaphysical principle.
We founded the country based on the belief that because of man's relation to God, man had inalienable rights that in principle were above and beyond the government. For example, since every human is created in the image of God, each human life has worth and has the right to self-defense, even from government itself, and therefore the right to have and bear a weapon to defend oneself is above and beyond the power of government, hence the 2A RKBA.
But no one in the Democrat party or the GOPe believes that today. They believe only in "science." But science doesn't speak one way or the other on the question of God-given rights. To the extent some people claim it does, they claim that science has disproved God, and therefore inalienable rights are a fiction.
The belief system of Islam is directly contrary to the God-given inalienable rights principle at the foundation of our society. Under Islam, the Muslim has Allah-given superior rights over other humans.
But since all of this is beyond the purview of "science" and only "science" is understood by the Marxists and other materialists, they are unable to distinguish Islam from any other metaphysical belief system and have no weapon to fight it as a belief system.
Paul Ryan is a good example - an Ayn Randian-style materialist, he simply has no way to comprehend Islam or to distinguish it from the Judeo-Christian inalienable rights principle at the foundation of our society. So he is outraged at any suggestion of limiting Islamic immigration and resettlement into the USA. Indeed, he is threatening to sue on behalf of Congress any president who attempts to do so.
Because the media and the Uniparty are of one mind in these matters, we have no national conversation on the nature of Islam as a system of belief and or even of the nature of the United States as a society founded on a certain system of belief, so certainly the matter of whether the principles upon which Islam rests are compatible with American civilization is simply never broached.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at June 17, 2016 01:31 PM (X4FeV)
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South Dakota has the same 51% rule, but just how are you supposed to find that out at every restaurant with a bar?
In Texas, the bar has to post it.
In Texas, the bar has to post it.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2016 01:31 PM (T0djb)
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I've said it once, I'll say it again.
The present US federal government, as presently constituted is thoroughly and completely infiltrated by the muslim brotherhood.
Top down, in any direction you go, you find them.
That is why things are the way they are right now.
The present US federal government, as presently constituted is thoroughly and completely infiltrated by the muslim brotherhood.
Top down, in any direction you go, you find them.
That is why things are the way they are right now.
Posted by: navybrat at June 17, 2016 01:32 PM (w7KSn)
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How do you deal with the tyranny of the unelected bureaucrats and the tyranny of the elected? We have no recourse that doesn't involve us getting gunned down by eager SWAT teams.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 17, 2016 01:32 PM (hqZPQ)
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Reposted (again) from The Law Dog Files.
Compromise and cake
http://tinyurl.com/zsxxzcn
I hear a lot about 'compromise' from the gun-control camp... except, it's not compromise.
Allow me to illustrate:
Let's say I have this cake. It is a very nice cake, with "GUN RIGHTS" written across the top in lovely floral icing. Along you come and say, "Give me that cake."
I say, "No, it's my cake."
You say, "Let's compromise. Give me half." I respond by asking what I get out of this compromise, and you reply that I get to keep half of my cake.
Okay, we compromise. Let us call this compromise The National Firearms Act of 1934.
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It's good
Compromise and cake
http://tinyurl.com/zsxxzcn
I hear a lot about 'compromise' from the gun-control camp... except, it's not compromise.
Allow me to illustrate:
Let's say I have this cake. It is a very nice cake, with "GUN RIGHTS" written across the top in lovely floral icing. Along you come and say, "Give me that cake."
I say, "No, it's my cake."
You say, "Let's compromise. Give me half." I respond by asking what I get out of this compromise, and you reply that I get to keep half of my cake.
Okay, we compromise. Let us call this compromise The National Firearms Act of 1934.
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It's good
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 17, 2016 01:33 PM (Lixdp)
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I hope VA GOP Sucks is still here, I just noticed this from the last thread.
If he called me up or emailed me directly saying "look, I think I understand now where you've been coming from over the past years," and apologized for his actions, I'd feel better about it. But yeah, he's been treating me like an unperson for this long and the way he approached this subject is just more
evidence of that.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 17, 2016 01:07 PM (PFy0L)
I think you need to have an honest discussion with this "man". I think you need to tell him you little you appreciated his belittling and putdowns over the years, and then finish up along the lines of "Why didn't you come to me like a man?"
And tell him to buy his own damn shotgun.
If he called me up or emailed me directly saying "look, I think I understand now where you've been coming from over the past years," and apologized for his actions, I'd feel better about it. But yeah, he's been treating me like an unperson for this long and the way he approached this subject is just more
evidence of that.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 17, 2016 01:07 PM (PFy0L)
I think you need to have an honest discussion with this "man". I think you need to tell him you little you appreciated his belittling and putdowns over the years, and then finish up along the lines of "Why didn't you come to me like a man?"
And tell him to buy his own damn shotgun.
Posted by: OregonMuse at June 17, 2016 01:33 PM (MKtIU)
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145 Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (U+nHb)
You typo'd "has been wiped" it's a done deal.
The effort began with Brennan at CIA in 2009, by 2011 it was a done deal.
"Islamist Fundamentalist" and "Jihad" are not in Federal Counter-Terror doctrine.
Tax-protestor and "Cosntitutionalist" are.
That is the reality of the "terror list."
That is why Omar Mateen who has been making threats since Jr High was taken off the list.
You typo'd "has been wiped" it's a done deal.
The effort began with Brennan at CIA in 2009, by 2011 it was a done deal.
"Islamist Fundamentalist" and "Jihad" are not in Federal Counter-Terror doctrine.
Tax-protestor and "Cosntitutionalist" are.
That is the reality of the "terror list."
That is why Omar Mateen who has been making threats since Jr High was taken off the list.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:33 PM (g8Hfr)
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TFG yesterday said the Orlando and San Bernardino killers were "home grown" and acted because of Internet toxicity.
They were both first generation in this country so I don't call that home grown.From all accounts they were both raised on a heavy dose ofhome cooking from the old country.
TFG yesterday said the Orlando and San Bernardino killers were "home grown" and acted because of Internet toxicity.
They were both first generation in this country so I don't call that home grown.From all accounts they were both raised on a heavy dose ofhome cooking from the old country.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 17, 2016 01:33 PM (lKyWE)
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"Compare the FBI's response to Omar vs. BLM's response to Bundy ranch."
That's a very poignant comparison.
That's a very poignant comparison.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 17, 2016 01:33 PM (5nGR8)
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We have no recourse that doesn't involve us getting gunned down by eager SWAT teams.
Apparently, just self identify as Muslim. They'll give you three hours to get prepared before they bust in on you.
Apparently, just self identify as Muslim. They'll give you three hours to get prepared before they bust in on you.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 17, 2016 01:33 PM (eytER)
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>>TFG yesterday said the Orlando and San Bernardino killers were "home grown" and acted because of Internet toxicity.
Yes - their homes where their families retained their home country's religion, culture and practices. Omar saw himself as an Afghani, not an American.
It is really offensive that Obama keeps telling us after each of these ISIS attacks that we need to search ourselves about the root causes blah blah blah.
Yes - their homes where their families retained their home country's religion, culture and practices. Omar saw himself as an Afghani, not an American.
It is really offensive that Obama keeps telling us after each of these ISIS attacks that we need to search ourselves about the root causes blah blah blah.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 17, 2016 01:33 PM (NOIQH)
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apologies. I misread the title. It was Billy Graham's team/volunteers. He wasn't actually present.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 17, 2016 01:30 PM (Lixdp)
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Oh, thank you for the clarification. I don't think you mis-read the title. Unless I mis-read it too. LOL
I just think it's wonderful for the Billy Graham team to reach out to Milo and pray with him for his safety and protection. But of course, everyone knows Christians hate gay people.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 17, 2016 01:30 PM (Lixdp)
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Oh, thank you for the clarification. I don't think you mis-read the title. Unless I mis-read it too. LOL
I just think it's wonderful for the Billy Graham team to reach out to Milo and pray with him for his safety and protection. But of course, everyone knows Christians hate gay people.
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 17, 2016 01:34 PM (dFi94)
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The Fuego was FIAT's worst model by far.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 17, 2016 01:22 PM (5nGR
But is was an average car for Renault.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 17, 2016 01:22 PM (5nGR
But is was an average car for Renault.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2016 01:34 PM (kKHcp)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2016 01:34 PM (rmw+9)
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I think the shooter was talking to Franklin Graham.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 17, 2016 01:35 PM (jGgVe)
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Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 17, 2016 01:07 PM (PFy0L)
Take a peak back into the previous thread - put my 2cents there.
Take a peak back into the previous thread - put my 2cents there.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 17, 2016 01:35 PM (jxbfJ)
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I think the shooter was talking to Franklin Graham.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 17, 2016 01:35 PM (jGgVe)
Nope Donald Trump for sure...
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 17, 2016 01:35 PM (jGgVe)
Nope Donald Trump for sure...
Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 01:36 PM (O2RFr)
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Racial profiling is wrong
Posted by: Paul Ryan - Currently Suing the Republican Nominee on behalf of J1had Worldwide at June 17, 2016 01:36 PM (10hEu)
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I think you need to have an honest discussion with this "man". I think you need to tell him you little you appreciated his belittling and putdowns over the years, and then finish up along the lines of "Why didn't you come to me like a man?"
And tell him to buy his own damn shotgun.
Yeah, the whole call my wife for a playdate thing is the root of what's pissing me off about this.
And tell him to buy his own damn shotgun.
Yeah, the whole call my wife for a playdate thing is the root of what's pissing me off about this.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 17, 2016 01:36 PM (eytER)
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Why does "internet toxicity" only affect muslims in such a way they want to kill Americans, shout Allah akbar, and pledge allegiance to ISIS?
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:36 PM (U+nHb)
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Jeez, Limbaugh is apoplectic. Wow.
Jeez, Limbaugh is apoplectic. Wow.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 01:36 PM (p4UlV)
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Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (T0djb)
Rick,
Over penetration. In a packed restroom stall, one bullet goes through the first persons arm, the seconds torso, and comes to rest in the third.
And in three hours, you can die from an arm or leg wound that isn't treated. You just bleed out.
Rick,
Over penetration. In a packed restroom stall, one bullet goes through the first persons arm, the seconds torso, and comes to rest in the third.
And in three hours, you can die from an arm or leg wound that isn't treated. You just bleed out.
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:36 PM (v0YLX)
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Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within is only very tenuously connected with the rest of the franchise.
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Seriously, if you want to know Final Fantasy, you need to go back and play the SNES games, 4 (labelled 2 originally) would be the priority.
I seem to find X is the one I always go back to when I'm feeling nostalgic (and also, Lulu), but the SNES days were really the strength of the series.
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Seriously, if you want to know Final Fantasy, you need to go back and play the SNES games, 4 (labelled 2 originally) would be the priority.
I seem to find X is the one I always go back to when I'm feeling nostalgic (and also, Lulu), but the SNES days were really the strength of the series.
Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 17, 2016 01:37 PM (3Liv/)
Posted by: Hikaru at June 17, 2016 01:37 PM (WDCYi)
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Trump:
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http://preview.tinyurl.com/hh2jb8p
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hl9e2pb
(Links in reverse chronology.)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/zzc6yue
http://preview.tinyurl.com/zmp9azt
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hh2jb8p
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hl9e2pb
(Links in reverse chronology.)
Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2016 01:37 PM (PLnZs)
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So, let me get this straight. If an Arab Muslim man:
- Cheers about the 9-11 attacks.
- Threatens to murder his entire class in a pique of Islamic offense because a piece of pork touched his hamburger
- Is reported to the FBI by co-workers for openly bragging about his connections to Islamist terror groups.
- Goes into a gun shop, tries to buy bulk ammo and body armor, makes a call on his cell phone in Arabic, and is refused ammunition and body armor by the gun shop who reports his suspicious behavior to the FBI
The FBI and Homeland Security will give him a pass and let him murder 49 people.
But if an Amish farmer sells raw milk or a man's wife is suspected of student loan fraud, the Government will sic a SWAT Team on them.
- Cheers about the 9-11 attacks.
- Threatens to murder his entire class in a pique of Islamic offense because a piece of pork touched his hamburger
- Is reported to the FBI by co-workers for openly bragging about his connections to Islamist terror groups.
- Goes into a gun shop, tries to buy bulk ammo and body armor, makes a call on his cell phone in Arabic, and is refused ammunition and body armor by the gun shop who reports his suspicious behavior to the FBI
The FBI and Homeland Security will give him a pass and let him murder 49 people.
But if an Amish farmer sells raw milk or a man's wife is suspected of student loan fraud, the Government will sic a SWAT Team on them.
Posted by: V the K at June 17, 2016 01:37 PM (O7MnT)
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I think the shooter was talking to Franklin Graham.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 17, 2016 01:35 PM (jGgVe)
Nope Donald Trump for sure...
He called his dad to tell him all about the neat Father's Day present he was making for him.
I think the shooter was talking to Franklin Graham.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 17, 2016 01:35 PM (jGgVe)
Nope Donald Trump for sure...
He called his dad to tell him all about the neat Father's Day present he was making for him.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 17, 2016 01:37 PM (YEelc)
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Let's address the real root causeof terrorism: Government incompetence.
The Third Reich and the Soviet Union were competent in some regards.
Let's address the real root causeof terrorism: Government incompetence.
The Third Reich and the Soviet Union were competent in some regards.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 17, 2016 01:37 PM (IqV8l)
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Why does "internet toxicity" only affect muslims in such a way they want to kill Americans, shout Allah akbar, and pledge allegiance to ISIS?
Posted by: Seems Legit
Everyone else is busy fapping?
Posted by: Seems Legit
Everyone else is busy fapping?
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at June 17, 2016 01:38 PM (lDrRt)
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178 I think the shooter was talking to Franklin Graham.
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He was on hold for Rush and talking to Mr. Snerdly.
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He was on hold for Rush and talking to Mr. Snerdly.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2016 01:38 PM (R0C2R)
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He spoke to someone in Arabic while trying to buy body armor and bulk ammo.
He was texting his wife during the attack.
Why do I suspect these 2 things are related.
He was texting his wife during the attack.
Why do I suspect these 2 things are related.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at June 17, 2016 01:38 PM (WlGX+)
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The Third Reich and the Soviet Union were competent in some regards.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 17, 2016 01:37 PM (IqV8l)
The trains ran on time and there was upward mobility!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 17, 2016 01:37 PM (IqV8l)
The trains ran on time and there was upward mobility!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2016 01:38 PM (3ZoRf)
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Only the government is allowed to fail this catostrpohically, this habitually and get away with it.
Head should be rolling, sadly nobody will be held accountable.
Head should be rolling, sadly nobody will be held accountable.
Posted by: Kreplach at June 17, 2016 01:38 PM (3Xxpy)
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"internet toxicity"
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This was thrown out because it allows the left to make the case for regulating "hate speech."
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This was thrown out because it allows the left to make the case for regulating "hate speech."
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:38 PM (gmeXX)
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191 The Third Reich and the Soviet Union were competent in some regards.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 17, 2016 01:37 PM (IqV8l)
Rounding up and exterminating a few million of my co-religionists and others? Agreed,
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 17, 2016 01:37 PM (IqV8l)
Rounding up and exterminating a few million of my co-religionists and others? Agreed,
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 01:39 PM (p4UlV)
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... and lone wolf was texting, phoning, checking social media in the dark, while simultaneously killing 50. hmmm.
Posted by: USA at June 17, 2016 01:39 PM (tfM+W)
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166 I've said it once, I'll say it again.
The present US federal government, as presently constituted is thoroughly and completely infiltrated by the muslim brotherhood.
Top down, in any direction you go, you find them.
That is why things are the way they are right now.
Posted by: navybrat at June 17, 2016 01:32 PM (w7KSn)
THIS.
They are all on the other side.
The present US federal government, as presently constituted is thoroughly and completely infiltrated by the muslim brotherhood.
Top down, in any direction you go, you find them.
That is why things are the way they are right now.
Posted by: navybrat at June 17, 2016 01:32 PM (w7KSn)
THIS.
They are all on the other side.
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at June 17, 2016 01:39 PM (oQQwD)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at June 17, 2016 01:39 PM (WlGX+)
Posted by: Darth Vader at June 17, 2016 01:39 PM (iR+s6)
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So if trump is elected and puts a ban on Muslims entering the Country Ryan is gonna sue Him? WTF?
Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 01:39 PM (O2RFr)
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183 Why does "internet toxicity" only affect muslims in such a way they want to kill Americans, shout Allah akbar, and pledge allegiance to ISIS?
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:36 PM (U+nHb)
Pernicious mental enfeeblement from generations of first cousin and uncle-niece marriages.
183 Why does "internet toxicity" only affect muslims in such a way they want to kill Americans, shout Allah akbar, and pledge allegiance to ISIS?
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:36 PM (U+nHb)
Pernicious mental enfeeblement from generations of first cousin and uncle-niece marriages.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 17, 2016 01:40 PM (uVmqw)
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Over penetration. In a packed restroom stall, one bullet goes through the first persons arm, the seconds torso, and comes to rest in the third.
Like I said, I'm not saying there was a second or more shooters. I just want to see the numbers. I don't trust the government.
Same with the San Berdoo shoot.
Anyone truly concerned with the truth would NOT have let the media traipse all over their apartment as quick as they did.
Like I said, I'm not saying there was a second or more shooters. I just want to see the numbers. I don't trust the government.
Same with the San Berdoo shoot.
Anyone truly concerned with the truth would NOT have let the media traipse all over their apartment as quick as they did.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2016 01:40 PM (T0djb)
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I don't tweet but I do follow some people on twitter. Milo is brutal therefore is one of my favorites
John Haltiwanger
Britian first. Make America Great Again. All just chants of white supremacists who don't like the idea of a more diverse, accepting world
Milo Yiannoopoulos
@jchaltiwanger When Trump landslide wins in November, I look forward to reports you are found in your running car, inside a closed garage
Bam.
John Haltiwanger
Britian first. Make America Great Again. All just chants of white supremacists who don't like the idea of a more diverse, accepting world
Milo Yiannoopoulos
@jchaltiwanger When Trump landslide wins in November, I look forward to reports you are found in your running car, inside a closed garage
Bam.
Posted by: Cheri at June 17, 2016 01:40 PM (oiNtH)
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Why would the gay guy bring along his wife to the gay bar he 'frequented ' on the down low?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 17, 2016 01:40 PM (jGgVe)
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203 So if trump is elected and puts a ban on Muslims entering the Country Ryan is gonna sue Him? WTF?
Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 01:39 PM (O2RFr)
He said something to the effect of stopping a lawless president.
I about vomited blood out of my eyes.
Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 01:39 PM (O2RFr)
He said something to the effect of stopping a lawless president.
I about vomited blood out of my eyes.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 01:40 PM (p4UlV)
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Wait, Rush drives a Fuego?
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 01:41 PM (C9pBZ)
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Quite...Congress passes any of them the GOP is doomed.
I will make it my mission to cut down the rotten tree.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:21 PM (g8Hfr)
I don't know what you could be worried about. Paul Ryan is on the job to protect our values and our rights.
I will make it my mission to cut down the rotten tree.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:21 PM (g8Hfr)
I don't know what you could be worried about. Paul Ryan is on the job to protect our values and our rights.
Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 17, 2016 01:41 PM (3Liv/)
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194 He spoke to someone in Arabic while trying to buy body armor and bulk ammo.
He was texting his wife during the attack.
Why do I suspect these 2 things are related.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Lo
I read His wife was with Him at the gun shop so He wouldn't be talking to her...
He was texting his wife during the attack.
Why do I suspect these 2 things are related.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Lo
I read His wife was with Him at the gun shop so He wouldn't be talking to her...
Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 01:41 PM (O2RFr)
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I wonder if it would have been possible for him to hide ammo onsite during one of his scouting expeditions. Stash it in a closet the day before he attacks, shoot his way in with the ammo on his person, go straight to the cache, reload.
Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at June 17, 2016 01:41 PM (uz/Pv)
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So if trump is elected and puts a ban on Muslims entering the Country Ryan is gonna sue Him? WTF?
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Lawsuits are the ultimate check on the executive. Madison and Hamilton both wrote about it the Federalist Papers.
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Lawsuits are the ultimate check on the executive. Madison and Hamilton both wrote about it the Federalist Papers.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:41 PM (gmeXX)
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So, let me get this straight. If an Arab Muslim man:
- Cheers about the 9-11 attacks.
Posted by: V the K at June 17, 2016 01:37 PM (O7MnT)
Make it a female and she is part of our Homeland Security team.
- Cheers about the 9-11 attacks.
Posted by: V the K at June 17, 2016 01:37 PM (O7MnT)
Make it a female and she is part of our Homeland Security team.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 17, 2016 01:41 PM (Lixdp)
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Sitting here watching UEFA and somebody's thrown some flaming onto the field.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 17, 2016 01:41 PM (5nGR8)
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Wasn't the Pontiac one a Fiero?
Posted by: IrishEi at June 17, 2016 01:42 PM (Lsu4e)
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213 Madison and Hamilton both wrote about it the Federalist Papers.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:41 PM (gmeXX)
But then they got sued for slander, and stopped.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:41 PM (gmeXX)
But then they got sued for slander, and stopped.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 01:42 PM (p4UlV)
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So if trump is elected and puts a ban on Muslims entering the Country Ryan is gonna sue Him
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It will be comical to watch the GOP in congress work with the democrats, in a bi partisian compromise fashion, to stop Trump, and to pass necessary common sense laws and regulations we need to keep this country safe, over riding Trump's veto if necessary.
Ok, maybe comical is the wrong word.
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It will be comical to watch the GOP in congress work with the democrats, in a bi partisian compromise fashion, to stop Trump, and to pass necessary common sense laws and regulations we need to keep this country safe, over riding Trump's veto if necessary.
Ok, maybe comical is the wrong word.
Posted by: Wreckless Lee at June 17, 2016 01:42 PM (evQ4x)
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I read His wife was with Him at the gun shop so He wouldn't be talking to her...
Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 01:41 PM (O2RFr)
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Is this the wife that he beat up? Or did he have a previous wife that he beat up?
Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 01:41 PM (O2RFr)
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Is this the wife that he beat up? Or did he have a previous wife that he beat up?
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 17, 2016 01:42 PM (dFi94)
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It is really offensive that Obama keeps telling us
after each of these ISIS attacks that we need to search ourselves about
the root causes blah blah blah.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 17, 2016 01:33 PM (NOIQH)
I know how disappointed he is in me. Every time he tells me to look for the root cause, I keep finding radical Islam. And willing dhimmis.
Every. Time. Obviously I'm doing something wrong, so I'm happy he is asking me to keep searching, that he hasn't yet given up on me.
after each of these ISIS attacks that we need to search ourselves about
the root causes blah blah blah.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 17, 2016 01:33 PM (NOIQH)
I know how disappointed he is in me. Every time he tells me to look for the root cause, I keep finding radical Islam. And willing dhimmis.
Every. Time. Obviously I'm doing something wrong, so I'm happy he is asking me to keep searching, that he hasn't yet given up on me.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2016 01:42 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Lauren at June 17, 2016 01:42 PM (Y1Jhk)
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Flares are what they are.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM (5nGR8)
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Take a peak back into the previous thread - put my 2cents there.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas
Yep, I saw - thanks much! I get where you're coming from and if I were a bigger, more Christlike person I'd probably take him right away. I mean, I've taken quite a few Lefty acquaintances of mine but they were sincere and approached me in good faith. They never bad mouthed me or my beliefs...it was an approach of "hey, you like guns and I'm interested in them because you seem like a good person" sort of thing.
This guy though, I dunno. I don't think he's contrite...I think he's scared and has realized that this isn't a game...people really DO want to kill him just for being gay. And since he's insulated himself so much he doesn't know where to turn, but because he's the center of the universe he figures I'll be happy to help him out. It's complicated.
So yeah, I think I'm going to go the instructor route and offer to go shooting with him when I'm confident he isn't going to have an ND or something.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas
Yep, I saw - thanks much! I get where you're coming from and if I were a bigger, more Christlike person I'd probably take him right away. I mean, I've taken quite a few Lefty acquaintances of mine but they were sincere and approached me in good faith. They never bad mouthed me or my beliefs...it was an approach of "hey, you like guns and I'm interested in them because you seem like a good person" sort of thing.
This guy though, I dunno. I don't think he's contrite...I think he's scared and has realized that this isn't a game...people really DO want to kill him just for being gay. And since he's insulated himself so much he doesn't know where to turn, but because he's the center of the universe he figures I'll be happy to help him out. It's complicated.
So yeah, I think I'm going to go the instructor route and offer to go shooting with him when I'm confident he isn't going to have an ND or something.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM (PFy0L)
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My greatest fear is being the guy who plugs a tango and then gets capped by friendly-fire from some pumped up LEO.
Posted by: Fritz at June 17, 2016 01:11 PM (f40FU)
clippity-clop, clippity-clop, clippity-clop....
"Who was that masked man?
Posted by: Fritz at June 17, 2016 01:11 PM (f40FU)
clippity-clop, clippity-clop, clippity-clop....
"Who was that masked man?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM (GSdpU)
Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM (0mRoj)
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>>TFG yesterday said the Orlando and San Bernardino killers were "home grown" and acted because of Internet toxicity.
The founders could never have imagined the First Amendment allowing something as powerful as the Internet (over 700 clicks a minute!!11!), and it's use should be restricted to trained law enforcement personnel only.
The founders could never have imagined the First Amendment allowing something as powerful as the Internet (over 700 clicks a minute!!11!), and it's use should be restricted to trained law enforcement personnel only.
Posted by: wooga at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM (TS0uO)
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He called his dad to tell him all about the neat Father's Day present he was making for him.
"Dad... I'm gay.
Gay for jihad!!!"
"Dad... I'm gay.
Gay for jihad!!!"
Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM (PLnZs)
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Is this the wife that he beat up? Or did he have a previous wife that he beat up?
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 17, 2016 01:42 PM (dF
I believe second wife but I could be wrong...
Is this the wife that he beat up? Or did he have a previous wife that he beat up?
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 17, 2016 01:42 PM (dF
I believe second wife but I could be wrong...
Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM (O2RFr)
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210 Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 17, 2016 01:41 PM (3Liv/)
TMI3rd blocked me today b/c I am in "burn the whole thing with fire" mode when the NTs cost us this fall.
I have as little use for Paul Ryan as I do a cock flavored lollipop.
TMI3rd blocked me today b/c I am in "burn the whole thing with fire" mode when the NTs cost us this fall.
I have as little use for Paul Ryan as I do a cock flavored lollipop.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM (g8Hfr)
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"is really offensive that Obama keeps telling us
after each of these ISIS attacks that we need to search ourselves about
the root causes blah blah blah.
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Islam. Found the root cause. That was easy!
after each of these ISIS attacks that we need to search ourselves about
the root causes blah blah blah.
"
Islam. Found the root cause. That was easy!
Posted by: Lauren at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM (Y1Jhk)
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>>Why would the gay guy bring along his wife to the gay bar he 'frequented ' on the down low?
Shhhhh...messes with the narrative that he was acting alone and overwhelmed by 'toxic masculinity".
I don't care if he was gay, sexually confused, whatever: he lacked any confusion over his hate for Americans, and gays in particular. He also had assistance from his wife, at minimum. She scouted sites, bought ammo with him, she witnessed the home transfer - she knew something was coming because she was in on the plans.
Shhhhh...messes with the narrative that he was acting alone and overwhelmed by 'toxic masculinity".
I don't care if he was gay, sexually confused, whatever: he lacked any confusion over his hate for Americans, and gays in particular. He also had assistance from his wife, at minimum. She scouted sites, bought ammo with him, she witnessed the home transfer - she knew something was coming because she was in on the plans.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM (NOIQH)
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Hmm. You mean to tell me that women could be involved in Islamic terror?
Now you right wingers have just gone too far.
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Now you right wingers have just gone too far.
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Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM (C9pBZ)
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I really think Law Enforcement botched this up from top to bottom, from the Feds to local police, but boy are they good about harassing law abiding people over stupid shit on a regular basis.
Posted by: Maritime at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (BT0Cw)
Your lack of Faith and Obedience is troubling. Your attitude will be improved.
Posted by: Maritime at June 17, 2016 01:28 PM (BT0Cw)
Your lack of Faith and Obedience is troubling. Your attitude will be improved.
Posted by: The Police State with all its Pensions, powers and at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM (v0YLX)
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Murder is illegal.
I mean, not to state the obvious or anything, but it does seem to need to be stated.
Murder is illegal.
Once a person decides that, hey, I'm going to murder a whole bunch of people, well, I don't think they will be overly fussed by violating a number of lesser included offenses in order to achieve their goal.
I mean, not to state the obvious or anything, but it does seem to need to be stated.
Murder is illegal.
Once a person decides that, hey, I'm going to murder a whole bunch of people, well, I don't think they will be overly fussed by violating a number of lesser included offenses in order to achieve their goal.
Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM (mf5HN)
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So if trump is elected and puts a ban on Muslims entering the Country Ryan is gonna sue Him? WTF?
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so fuckin' funny. Let him try to sue. It's already been established as permissible in court opinion.
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so fuckin' funny. Let him try to sue. It's already been established as permissible in court opinion.
Posted by: iforgot (NeverTrumpers, avert eyes) at June 17, 2016 01:44 PM (pC96u)
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In retrospect, moving the battlefield from there to here may not have been a good idea.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:09 PM (gmeXX)
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It was planned and purposeful. Fredo and his regime are not stupid. They want chaos. They NEED chaos. It's all part of the destruction and transformation of this country.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:09 PM (gmeXX)
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It was planned and purposeful. Fredo and his regime are not stupid. They want chaos. They NEED chaos. It's all part of the destruction and transformation of this country.
Posted by: Soona at June 17, 2016 01:44 PM (Fmupd)
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Over penetration. In a packed restroom stall, one bullet goes through the first persons arm, the seconds torso, and comes to rest in the third.
I hate to say it,but I am stunned that in three hours none of the people in the club joined together in the bathroom and came up with a plan on what to do if the shooter walked through the bathroom door.They just sat and waited for help to arrive.
Over penetration. In a packed restroom stall, one bullet goes through the first persons arm, the seconds torso, and comes to rest in the third.
I hate to say it,but I am stunned that in three hours none of the people in the club joined together in the bathroom and came up with a plan on what to do if the shooter walked through the bathroom door.They just sat and waited for help to arrive.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 17, 2016 01:44 PM (lKyWE)
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229 I have as little use for Paul Ryan as I do a cock flavored lollipop.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM (g8Hfr
Put it in a bear trap outside Harry Reid's door.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM (g8Hfr
Put it in a bear trap outside Harry Reid's door.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 01:44 PM (p4UlV)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 17, 2016 01:44 PM (IqV8l)
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205 Over penetration. In a packed restroom stall, one bullet goes through the first persons arm, the seconds torso, and comes to rest in the third.
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Also his AR-15 fired 7,000 rounds a second.
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Also his AR-15 fired 7,000 rounds a second.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2016 01:44 PM (R0C2R)
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I thought what Trump said was to "Put a ban on Muslims entering from countries with known terrorist ties" until we can investigate and know what's going on. Yes?
If Ryan has a problem with that I suspect Ryan's getting a lot of money from some Muslim group or country
If Ryan has a problem with that I suspect Ryan's getting a lot of money from some Muslim group or country
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2016 01:44 PM (rmw+9)
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208 203 So if trump is elected and puts a ban on Muslims entering the Country Ryan is gonna sue Him? WTF?
Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 01:39 PM (O2RFr)
He said something to the effect of stopping a lawless president.
I about vomited blood out of my eyes.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 01:40 PM (p4UlV)
I'm not sure how much more proof people need that the GOP is Okey-Doke with Obama.
Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 01:39 PM (O2RFr)
He said something to the effect of stopping a lawless president.
I about vomited blood out of my eyes.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 01:40 PM (p4UlV)
I'm not sure how much more proof people need that the GOP is Okey-Doke with Obama.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2016 01:45 PM (kKHcp)
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Make it a female and she is part of our Homeland Security team.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 17, 2016 01:41 PM (Lixdp)
Or a special advisor to a SOS, or perhaps even a POTUS
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 17, 2016 01:41 PM (Lixdp)
Or a special advisor to a SOS, or perhaps even a POTUS
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 17, 2016 01:45 PM (jxbfJ)
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213 Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:41 PM (gmeXX)
Right the whole "impeachment" thing being the American stab at not having to you know decapitate the King literally like Cromwell did...
just a smokescreen...they figured the Congress would beat the guy with the car keys to the Military in a court.
Right the whole "impeachment" thing being the American stab at not having to you know decapitate the King literally like Cromwell did...
just a smokescreen...they figured the Congress would beat the guy with the car keys to the Military in a court.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:45 PM (g8Hfr)
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Funny how if some dude says he self-identifies as a woman, we have to accept that, but if some terrorist says they're a Muslim they aren't really?
If the shooter says they self-identify as a Muslim member of IS, aren't we forced to celebrate that?
If the shooter says they self-identify as a Muslim member of IS, aren't we forced to celebrate that?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 17, 2016 01:45 PM (39g3+)
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Once again you can look up the other mass shootings and see exactly how many shots fired and by what weapon in addition to exactly what the perp was wearing. In the last two terrorist shootings you didn't get this info. I can accept Orlando investigation as too recent though in Aurora, we knew just days after. Not that I need to know this stuff or it is my right to know this stuff but rather it just seems odd the difference.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 17, 2016 01:45 PM (jGgVe)
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From the last thread...
"Trump would fire the head of the FBI in Orlando and replace him with the guy who was working the counter at the gun store who thought it was suspicious that a person of Arab decent was asking about body armor. "
Bringing a level of personal responsibility to the decisions government workers make would be a nice start.
When someone signs off on a background check, they need to know if things go wrong, people are going to be looking at that decision. If information isn't followed up on, someone is going to hold them responsible.
"Trump would fire the head of the FBI in Orlando and replace him with the guy who was working the counter at the gun store who thought it was suspicious that a person of Arab decent was asking about body armor. "
Bringing a level of personal responsibility to the decisions government workers make would be a nice start.
When someone signs off on a background check, they need to know if things go wrong, people are going to be looking at that decision. If information isn't followed up on, someone is going to hold them responsible.
Posted by: jwest at June 17, 2016 01:45 PM (Zs4uk)
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In retrospect, moving the battlefield from there to here may not have been a good idea.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:09 PM (gmeXX)
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It was planned and purposeful. Fredo and his regime are not stupid. They want chaos. They NEED chaos. It's all part of the destruction and transformation of this country.
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The people made this decision. I don't lay it all on Obama. He said he was going to end the war in Iraq. The people agreed.
It ended in Iraq ... then moved here.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:09 PM (gmeXX)
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It was planned and purposeful. Fredo and his regime are not stupid. They want chaos. They NEED chaos. It's all part of the destruction and transformation of this country.
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The people made this decision. I don't lay it all on Obama. He said he was going to end the war in Iraq. The people agreed.
It ended in Iraq ... then moved here.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:45 PM (gmeXX)
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I'm not sure how much more proof people need that the GOP is Okey-Doke with Obama.
And are actively campaigning for a Hillary! Presidency...
I'm not sure how much more proof people need that the GOP is Okey-Doke with Obama.
And are actively campaigning for a Hillary! Presidency...
Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 01:46 PM (O2RFr)
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242 I'm not sure how much more proof people need that the GOP is Okey-Doke with Obama.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2016 01:45 PM (kKHcp)
Hence, my comment. The unmitigated chutzpah of this Eddie Munster-looking stooge is just beyond belief.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2016 01:45 PM (kKHcp)
Hence, my comment. The unmitigated chutzpah of this Eddie Munster-looking stooge is just beyond belief.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 01:46 PM (p4UlV)
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OT:
Psycho who murdered British MP probably did not yell "Britain First"
https://tinyurl.com/j8apnkq
but don't expect the state run UK media to correct the narrative.
Psycho who murdered British MP probably did not yell "Britain First"
https://tinyurl.com/j8apnkq
but don't expect the state run UK media to correct the narrative.
Posted by: brak at June 17, 2016 01:46 PM (MJuTN)
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Yeah, the whole call my wife for a playdate thing is the root of what's pissing me off about this.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 17, 2016 01:36 PM (eytER)
That would piss me off, too. What a cowardly little twerp. But I do think his attitude needs to be discussed before you can proceed.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 17, 2016 01:36 PM (eytER)
That would piss me off, too. What a cowardly little twerp. But I do think his attitude needs to be discussed before you can proceed.
Posted by: OregonMuse at June 17, 2016 01:46 PM (MKtIU)
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>>>203 So if trump is elected and puts a ban on Muslims entering the Country Ryan is gonna sue Him? WTF?
Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 01:39 PM (O2RFr)
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Gotta have your priorities straight.
Unlike me.
Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 01:39 PM (O2RFr)
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Gotta have your priorities straight.
Unlike me.
Posted by: Paul Ryan - Currently Lactating and Loving It at June 17, 2016 01:46 PM (10hEu)
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237
Over penetration. In a packed restroom stall, one bullet goes
through the first persons arm, the seconds torso, and comes to rest in
the third.
I hate to say it,but I am stunned that in three hours none of the
people in the club joined together in the bathroom and came up with a
plan on what to do if the shooter walked through the bathroom door.They
just sat and waited for help to arrive.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 17, 2016 01:44 PM (lKyWE)
Why? Shelter in place is the mantra. And enough people (tragically) haven't died yet to realize how fatal that mantra is.
Over penetration. In a packed restroom stall, one bullet goes
through the first persons arm, the seconds torso, and comes to rest in
the third.
I hate to say it,but I am stunned that in three hours none of the
people in the club joined together in the bathroom and came up with a
plan on what to do if the shooter walked through the bathroom door.They
just sat and waited for help to arrive.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 17, 2016 01:44 PM (lKyWE)
Why? Shelter in place is the mantra. And enough people (tragically) haven't died yet to realize how fatal that mantra is.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 17, 2016 01:46 PM (jxbfJ)
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"Internet Toxicity" primarily applies to propaganda sites such as AOSHQ, Breitbart News, Hot Air, Weasel Zippers; video makers like Steven Crowder, Black Pidgeon, and Dinesh D'Souza, etc. That's our concern, citizen.
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Why does "internet toxicity" only affect muslims in such a way they want
to kill Americans, shout Allah akbar, and pledge allegiance to ISIS?
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:36 PM (U+nHb)
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Why does "internet toxicity" only affect muslims in such a way they want
to kill Americans, shout Allah akbar, and pledge allegiance to ISIS?
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:36 PM (U+nHb)
Posted by: Department of Homeland Security at June 17, 2016 01:46 PM (fVOPU)
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Slightly OT, but this was willowed in the last thread:
280 I think gays might be far easier to pull to the right than any other of the left's favorite victim groups - because they are not part of the FSA. Gays, especially gay men, tend to be pretty well off because they don't have families to support. So they are not dependent on the Dems for a welfare check - they're among those paying for the welfare state.
Like liberal Jews, they are presently voting against their own best interests. They do so because they've bought all the crap about how Christians "hate them" because they don't approve of gay sex or gay marriage
Milo did a great service by praying with the Billy Graham people and tweeting out that Christians will pray with gays while Muslims will kill them.
I don't think welcoming gays into the fold means people have to suddenly proclaim their love of gay marriage and everything gays do. Those Christians praying with Milo didn't say that. They said "We all are sinners." We can say that and say that gays, like all Americans, have the right to defend themselves.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 17, 2016 01:40 PM (u0lmX)
280 I think gays might be far easier to pull to the right than any other of the left's favorite victim groups - because they are not part of the FSA. Gays, especially gay men, tend to be pretty well off because they don't have families to support. So they are not dependent on the Dems for a welfare check - they're among those paying for the welfare state.
Like liberal Jews, they are presently voting against their own best interests. They do so because they've bought all the crap about how Christians "hate them" because they don't approve of gay sex or gay marriage
Milo did a great service by praying with the Billy Graham people and tweeting out that Christians will pray with gays while Muslims will kill them.
I don't think welcoming gays into the fold means people have to suddenly proclaim their love of gay marriage and everything gays do. Those Christians praying with Milo didn't say that. They said "We all are sinners." We can say that and say that gays, like all Americans, have the right to defend themselves.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 17, 2016 01:40 PM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 17, 2016 01:46 PM (u0lmX)
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I don't care if he was gay, sexually confused, whatever: he lacked any confusion over his hate for Americans, and gays in particular.
He specifically targeted white people too, skipping over blacks.
He specifically targeted white people too, skipping over blacks.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 17, 2016 01:46 PM (39g3+)
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A minor tap and Gremlins would go en fuego.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at June 17, 2016 01:46 PM (R0C2R)
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73 Because it's not banning the mythical "assault weapons." It's about banning every firearm.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2016 01:16 PM (kFnmp)
I always check lefty sites when these things happen, and now a constant theme is to ban ALL semi-autos, not just the "assault weapons".
These are just commenters, but I noticed earlier this year that had been parroting Dem leaders like Hillary on repealing the PLCAA and getting the 2A tossed out in SCOTUS.
Now I don't think they'll be able to get anything banned, especially while we have a majority in the lege, but it's interesting to me to what passes for thinking among them.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2016 01:16 PM (kFnmp)
I always check lefty sites when these things happen, and now a constant theme is to ban ALL semi-autos, not just the "assault weapons".
These are just commenters, but I noticed earlier this year that had been parroting Dem leaders like Hillary on repealing the PLCAA and getting the 2A tossed out in SCOTUS.
Now I don't think they'll be able to get anything banned, especially while we have a majority in the lege, but it's interesting to me to what passes for thinking among them.
Posted by: stace at June 17, 2016 01:47 PM (ozZau)
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251 OT:
Psycho who murdered British MP probably did not yell "Britain First"
https://tinyurl.com/j8apnkq
but don't expect the state run UK media to correct the narrative
I read that yesterday.. It was the "Religion of Peace" witness who claimed that... The others said no...
Psycho who murdered British MP probably did not yell "Britain First"
https://tinyurl.com/j8apnkq
but don't expect the state run UK media to correct the narrative
I read that yesterday.. It was the "Religion of Peace" witness who claimed that... The others said no...
Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 01:47 PM (O2RFr)
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So if trump is elected and puts a ban on Muslims entering the Country Ryan is gonna sue Him? WTF?Posted by: donna
Whoever is blackmailing Ryan must have some powerful evidence. Dead girl, or live boy. One of the two.
Nothing else makes sense.
Whoever is blackmailing Ryan must have some powerful evidence. Dead girl, or live boy. One of the two.
Nothing else makes sense.
Posted by: Lice Wags at June 17, 2016 01:47 PM (ZnIt3)
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The WSJ reported that in April the shooter signed over his house to his brother-in-law for $10. Yeh, the wife and his family knew nothing. Amazing how these goodly upstanding citizens couldn't dial 911.
Posted by: Wendy at June 17, 2016 01:47 PM (bpemY)
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Once a person decides that, hey, I'm going to murder a whole bunch of people, well, I don't think they will be overly fussed by violating a number of lesser included offenses in order to achieve their goal.
Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM (mf5HN)
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NO NO NO you're all wrong. I proved this yesterday when I pointed out that there has not been an anti-gay massacre in San Francisco. This is because it is nearly impossible to park in San Francisco, and the massacre-ist would have to DOUBLE PARK in order to mow down the scores of people. Double parking is illegal! That's why a massacre hasn't happened in San Francisco, because No Double Parking signs are clearly posted.
Once a person decides that, hey, I'm going to murder a whole bunch of people, well, I don't think they will be overly fussed by violating a number of lesser included offenses in order to achieve their goal.
Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM (mf5HN)
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NO NO NO you're all wrong. I proved this yesterday when I pointed out that there has not been an anti-gay massacre in San Francisco. This is because it is nearly impossible to park in San Francisco, and the massacre-ist would have to DOUBLE PARK in order to mow down the scores of people. Double parking is illegal! That's why a massacre hasn't happened in San Francisco, because No Double Parking signs are clearly posted.
Posted by: iforgot (NeverTrumpers, avert eyes) at June 17, 2016 01:47 PM (pC96u)
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Net Neutrality = Net Neutralization of dissent.
Net Neutrality = Net Neutralization of dissent.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 01:47 PM (p4UlV)
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They just sat and waited for help to arrive.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 17, 2016 01:44 PM (lKyWE)
Shock, man.
Shock is an immobilizer. I'm pretty sure that's why the military always put some seasoned vets in with the green troops, so they could snap them out of inaction during their first contact.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 17, 2016 01:44 PM (lKyWE)
Shock, man.
Shock is an immobilizer. I'm pretty sure that's why the military always put some seasoned vets in with the green troops, so they could snap them out of inaction during their first contact.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2016 01:48 PM (kKHcp)
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"always check lefty sites when these things happen, and now a constant theme is to ban ALL semi-autos, not just the "assault weapons".
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And next will be the call to ban scary assault speed loaders.
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And next will be the call to ban scary assault speed loaders.
Posted by: Lauren at June 17, 2016 01:48 PM (Y1Jhk)
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Sock link about past presidents banning classes of immigrants.
Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2016 01:49 PM (PLnZs)
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265 Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2016 01:48 PM (kKHcp)
GET UP!
FOCUS!
TO THE FIGHT!
//Shit NCOs say when shit goes wrong
GET UP!
FOCUS!
TO THE FIGHT!
//Shit NCOs say when shit goes wrong
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:49 PM (g8Hfr)
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Hush.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM
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Damn! I hate people who do that. *Slaps self upside the head.*
Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 01:43 PM
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Damn! I hate people who do that. *Slaps self upside the head.*
Posted by: IrishEi at June 17, 2016 01:50 PM (Lsu4e)
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The Fuego was FIAT's worst model by far.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 17, 2016 01:22 PM (5nGR
So bad, in fact, that they sold it under the Renault brand. Plausible deniability!
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 17, 2016 01:22 PM (5nGR
So bad, in fact, that they sold it under the Renault brand. Plausible deniability!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2016 01:50 PM (GSdpU)
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Shock, man. Shock is an immobilizer. I'm pretty sure that's why the military always put some seasoned vets in with the green troops, so they could snap them out of inaction during their first contact.
Maybe shock is a factor at first,but three hours later?
Shock, man. Shock is an immobilizer. I'm pretty sure that's why the military always put some seasoned vets in with the green troops, so they could snap them out of inaction during their first contact.
Maybe shock is a factor at first,but three hours later?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 17, 2016 01:50 PM (lKyWE)
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'm going to the hate chicken restaurant and get a hate shake... see you all later...
Posted by: donna at June 17, 2016 01:50 PM (O2RFr)
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247 From the last thread...
"Trump would fire the head of the FBI in Orlando and replace him with the
Bringing a level of personal responsibility to the decisions government workers make would be a nice start.
Posted by: jwest at June 17, 2016 01:45 PM (Zs4uk)
The problem is, all the references to Islam and jihad were scrubbed from FedGov's counter-terrorism training materials in 2011. Rush has been screaming about this all week. So hiring a "common sense" guy isn't going to do anything if he knows that what he reports might get him in trouble.
"Trump would fire the head of the FBI in Orlando and replace him with the
Bringing a level of personal responsibility to the decisions government workers make would be a nice start.
Posted by: jwest at June 17, 2016 01:45 PM (Zs4uk)
The problem is, all the references to Islam and jihad were scrubbed from FedGov's counter-terrorism training materials in 2011. Rush has been screaming about this all week. So hiring a "common sense" guy isn't going to do anything if he knows that what he reports might get him in trouble.
Posted by: OregonMuse at June 17, 2016 01:50 PM (MKtIU)
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The guy in the gun shop?
Want to bet it wasn't Omar, it is another person?
First story I saw said the guy was speaking Arabic. Omar doesn't speak Arabic. He is Afghani. His Dad spoke Dari.
Want to bet it wasn't Omar, it is another person?
First story I saw said the guy was speaking Arabic. Omar doesn't speak Arabic. He is Afghani. His Dad spoke Dari.
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:50 PM (v0YLX)
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Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2016 01:44 PM (rmw+9)
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Fenelon - have you ever thought about what to do if a gunman, muslim or otherwise, was to enter your church on Sunday morning and start shooting? I mean, people packed into pews, with their backs to the entrance, probably unarmed. What would you do? I think about it because of the animosity of some groups against Christians.
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Fenelon - have you ever thought about what to do if a gunman, muslim or otherwise, was to enter your church on Sunday morning and start shooting? I mean, people packed into pews, with their backs to the entrance, probably unarmed. What would you do? I think about it because of the animosity of some groups against Christians.
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 17, 2016 01:50 PM (dFi94)
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73 Because it's not banning the mythical "assault weapons." It's about banning every firearm.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2016 01:16 PM (kFnmp)
Correct Wyatt...
"I don't want guns I want AR-15s" is their cant for "We'll get to that evil Ruger 10/22 as soon as we can."
They will enable as many massacres as it takes too.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2016 01:16 PM (kFnmp)
Correct Wyatt...
"I don't want guns I want AR-15s" is their cant for "We'll get to that evil Ruger 10/22 as soon as we can."
They will enable as many massacres as it takes too.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:50 PM (g8Hfr)
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My fault for not having the stomach to follow the details more closely, but why was he speaking in Arabic? Thought his father gave his utube rants in Dari (Afghan version of Persian). Not many native Arabic speakers in A'stan, very few I think.
This has puzzled me for a while.
Also, sort of on-topic, though in this inverted, logic-free, dumbed-down "America" I seem to live in, it's completely obscured, note that "background checks" and the whole panoply of stuff intro'd by the '68 gun control act is almost entirely a meaningless kabuki, anyway. In multiple ways.
If it were possible to do a side/side experiment, with a control group being a state with pre-68 laws (i.e. essentially you'd buy a gun like you bought corn flakes or a lawn mower) next to one with current laws - you'd see ........ no appreciable effect of all these laws/restrictions on liberty. Nothing.
Of course you can't run such an experiment. A very loose analogy might be the Canadian long-gun (rifle) registry. Run for decades. Until finally abandoned not long ago. I believe the RCMP (Canadian FBI) stated that the registry had not figured in a single successful investigation. Not a single one. (Canadian morons help me out here)
And so? Just wanted to add some gloom, as usual. Even non-idiotic, not particularly ignorant Americans (e.g. those not hysterical and gun-grabby) are fairly lazy, and accept huge guvamint infringement of liberty without thinking.
This has puzzled me for a while.
Also, sort of on-topic, though in this inverted, logic-free, dumbed-down "America" I seem to live in, it's completely obscured, note that "background checks" and the whole panoply of stuff intro'd by the '68 gun control act is almost entirely a meaningless kabuki, anyway. In multiple ways.
If it were possible to do a side/side experiment, with a control group being a state with pre-68 laws (i.e. essentially you'd buy a gun like you bought corn flakes or a lawn mower) next to one with current laws - you'd see ........ no appreciable effect of all these laws/restrictions on liberty. Nothing.
Of course you can't run such an experiment. A very loose analogy might be the Canadian long-gun (rifle) registry. Run for decades. Until finally abandoned not long ago. I believe the RCMP (Canadian FBI) stated that the registry had not figured in a single successful investigation. Not a single one. (Canadian morons help me out here)
And so? Just wanted to add some gloom, as usual. Even non-idiotic, not particularly ignorant Americans (e.g. those not hysterical and gun-grabby) are fairly lazy, and accept huge guvamint infringement of liberty without thinking.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 17, 2016 01:50 PM (QDnY+)
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He specifically targeted white people too, skipping over blacks.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 17, 2016 01:46 PM (39g3+)
Judging by the victim's names, it looked like most were Hispanic. (And yes, I know Hispanic is not a race.)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 17, 2016 01:46 PM (39g3+)
Judging by the victim's names, it looked like most were Hispanic. (And yes, I know Hispanic is not a race.)
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 17, 2016 01:51 PM (u0lmX)
279
If Ryan does play this role of suing Trump, he'll simply end his career in short order. And so will other Republicans that follow him.
Eric Cantor got his ass handed to him for much less by a complete nobody on a shoestring budget.
Eric Cantor got his ass handed to him for much less by a complete nobody on a shoestring budget.
Posted by: Maritime at June 17, 2016 01:51 PM (BT0Cw)
280
Yes, Disney and the store reported him.
So that's three formal investigations and a steady stream of suspicions.
Feel safe?
So that's three formal investigations and a steady stream of suspicions.
Feel safe?
Posted by: PJ at June 17, 2016 01:51 PM (cHuNI)
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All I know is that when we were fighting this in Iraq, it was not being fought in Orlando, Paris, California, and Texas.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:04 PM (gmeXX)
Bush was pushing the same "Religion of Peace" nonsense. His administration wasn't as bad as this one but the rot was still the same. Muslim immigration went up after 9/11.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:04 PM (gmeXX)
Bush was pushing the same "Religion of Peace" nonsense. His administration wasn't as bad as this one but the rot was still the same. Muslim immigration went up after 9/11.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at June 17, 2016 01:51 PM (Ee2nz)
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I gave up on talk radio years ago. I used to subscribe to Rush, Beck (before the crazy) and Ingraham. I just got tired of being sold false hope. I think it was the 2012 election that sealed it for me. "There are millions of your fellow Americans who think the way you do! Keep listening!" Uh huh... well maybe that's true but there are apparently many millions more who do not, so please stop telling me that there is hope for this country. Hillary isn't going to be indicted. Barky O'Fuckstick will see to that. Trump, for all of his supposed media savvy, should attend his press conferences and rallies with a shoe in his mouth and mumble. His foot is going to wind up there sooner or later so it might as well be comfortable. All conservatives can do is fight back at the local & state levels as they have been for the past 8 years, but at the federal level I think it's a lost cause.
Posted by: Gran at June 17, 2016 01:51 PM (XIXhw)
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Internet toxicity and toxic testosterone are dangerous drugs and must be regulated. What we need is a blue ribbion panel of experts who will, in a bi partisan fashion, write common sense drug laws to regulate the manufacturing, distribution, and use of these two, dangerous to the environment, chemicals.
For the children
Internet toxicity and toxic testosterone are dangerous drugs and must be regulated. What we need is a blue ribbion panel of experts who will, in a bi partisan fashion, write common sense drug laws to regulate the manufacturing, distribution, and use of these two, dangerous to the environment, chemicals.
For the children
Posted by: Wreckless Lee at June 17, 2016 01:52 PM (evQ4x)
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The Vice President has called for a ban on weapons for civilians. Currently it is just assault weapons; this list will grow over time--and there are no other compensatory offers. Unacceptable.
I have long thought that a civil war would have already have happened if an unresolvable issue had developed that threatened enough so as to compel a call to arms; given how the Democrats increasingly abuse Federal power to get what they want, given how they flout the rule of law and yet say they never do, we now have that issue--for we know what the Left would do if it had unchallenged power--we know the unfairness and double standards it imposes with the power it does have; we know how it tries to ruin and impoverish those who disagree with it; we know how it freezes out of cultural and institutional power those who are not "reliable"--and Joe Biden has just started taking the steps to insure this inability to challenge cannot ever be changed, by removing the ultimate veto the people have--the ability to fight back, physically, when the long train that evinces leaves the people no choice.
The Left has control of all major institutions in this nation. They cannot be allowed to remove the last true protection of the people so that they may institute their soft, "Brave New World"-style fascism. It might be a gentle boot stomping on the human face forever, but it will be a boot on the face nonetheless.
I would not wish a war. I am not sure one is coming. I cannot say for certain, though, that one will not be needed, but I can say for certain that people need to start considering it, and mull the matter over, in the calm moments of the heart--and we might just find that it might be that the mulling over, and the resolution that goes along with it, might be the trick needed to show the reasonable Left--ever-shrinking, but still there--that there are opportunity costs for everything, and that maybe, just maybe, just because you think you can get away with something doesn't mean you are actually going to get away with something.
If one wishes for civil peace, make it clear that you are willing to do civil war. If done resolutely today, it will give us civil peace. If delayed, it will lead to either war, or should we choose not to fight, functional disenfranchisement. But at any rate, we must decide what we are going to do, for every sign is the Left sees this as their generation to gain complete control, and their are grasping the nettle. We must thus decide do we acquiesce (the answer of the so-called GOP Establishment), or do we fight? And if we fight, what do we mean by that word--"fight"? This we must decide.
At any rate, we have a choice before us. The Left is going to act to get what it wants, and shows little respect for rules and forms in and of themselves. What are we going to do in response?
I have long thought that a civil war would have already have happened if an unresolvable issue had developed that threatened enough so as to compel a call to arms; given how the Democrats increasingly abuse Federal power to get what they want, given how they flout the rule of law and yet say they never do, we now have that issue--for we know what the Left would do if it had unchallenged power--we know the unfairness and double standards it imposes with the power it does have; we know how it tries to ruin and impoverish those who disagree with it; we know how it freezes out of cultural and institutional power those who are not "reliable"--and Joe Biden has just started taking the steps to insure this inability to challenge cannot ever be changed, by removing the ultimate veto the people have--the ability to fight back, physically, when the long train that evinces leaves the people no choice.
The Left has control of all major institutions in this nation. They cannot be allowed to remove the last true protection of the people so that they may institute their soft, "Brave New World"-style fascism. It might be a gentle boot stomping on the human face forever, but it will be a boot on the face nonetheless.
I would not wish a war. I am not sure one is coming. I cannot say for certain, though, that one will not be needed, but I can say for certain that people need to start considering it, and mull the matter over, in the calm moments of the heart--and we might just find that it might be that the mulling over, and the resolution that goes along with it, might be the trick needed to show the reasonable Left--ever-shrinking, but still there--that there are opportunity costs for everything, and that maybe, just maybe, just because you think you can get away with something doesn't mean you are actually going to get away with something.
If one wishes for civil peace, make it clear that you are willing to do civil war. If done resolutely today, it will give us civil peace. If delayed, it will lead to either war, or should we choose not to fight, functional disenfranchisement. But at any rate, we must decide what we are going to do, for every sign is the Left sees this as their generation to gain complete control, and their are grasping the nettle. We must thus decide do we acquiesce (the answer of the so-called GOP Establishment), or do we fight? And if we fight, what do we mean by that word--"fight"? This we must decide.
At any rate, we have a choice before us. The Left is going to act to get what it wants, and shows little respect for rules and forms in and of themselves. What are we going to do in response?
Posted by: Some guy on the Interwebs at June 17, 2016 01:52 PM (ORlaL)
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Bush was pushing the same "Religion of Peace" nonsense.
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Yeah, well he was fighting the war.
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Yeah, well he was fighting the war.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:52 PM (gmeXX)
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I can accept Orlando investigation as too recent though in Aurora, we knew just days after. Not that I need to know this stuff or it is my right to know this stuff but rather it just seems odd the difference.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 17, 2016 01:45 PM (jGgVe)
Actually, I've always wondered how many people in Aurora died from the buckshot he used before he deployed the "death machine"--which jammed, and how many he killed with his handgun. Its probably because I'm dumb, but I've never been able to find that info.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 17, 2016 01:45 PM (jGgVe)
Actually, I've always wondered how many people in Aurora died from the buckshot he used before he deployed the "death machine"--which jammed, and how many he killed with his handgun. Its probably because I'm dumb, but I've never been able to find that info.
Posted by: stace at June 17, 2016 01:52 PM (ozZau)
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"The real cause of terrorism" is ISIL-inspired jihadists, & to defeat it, the U.S. & such allies as it has will have to turn Raqqa into a parking lot... & then keep a residual force there indefinitely. Perhaps for a century.
Posted by: mnw at June 17, 2016 01:53 PM (aENAX)
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Judging by the victim's names, it looked like most were Hispanic. (And yes, I know Hispanic is not a race.)
A muslim shhots up a club full of gay hispanics and its the white mans fault.
Judging by the victim's names, it looked like most were Hispanic. (And yes, I know Hispanic is not a race.)
A muslim shhots up a club full of gay hispanics and its the white mans fault.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 17, 2016 01:53 PM (lKyWE)
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A statute already gives the President plenary power to deny entry to any non citizen for any reason whatsover.
So it's ironic that Ryan is threatening to sue Trump to block him from imposing a temporary ban on entry for Muslims from certain lands when after Ryan and Boehner haven't tried to stop Obama from taking so many illegal actions
So it's ironic that Ryan is threatening to sue Trump to block him from imposing a temporary ban on entry for Muslims from certain lands when after Ryan and Boehner haven't tried to stop Obama from taking so many illegal actions
Posted by: Ignoramus at June 17, 2016 01:53 PM (JoaM3)
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First story I saw said the guy was speaking Arabic. Omar doesn't speak Arabic. He is Afghani. His Dad spoke Dari.
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:50 PM (v0YLX)
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Not to be impugning the sophistication of the gun shop owner, but.... I seriously doubt he understands the difference between Dari, Arabic or Pastun. I wouldnt.
All he heard was durka durk durka.
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:50 PM (v0YLX)
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Not to be impugning the sophistication of the gun shop owner, but.... I seriously doubt he understands the difference between Dari, Arabic or Pastun. I wouldnt.
All he heard was durka durk durka.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 17, 2016 01:54 PM (8XRCm)
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Whoever is blackmailing Ryan must have some powerful evidence. Dead girl, or live boy. One of the two.
Nothing else makes sense.
How about this? He faked his conservatism all along to get elected in his district. His real thoughts are leftist.
Nothing else makes sense.
How about this? He faked his conservatism all along to get elected in his district. His real thoughts are leftist.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2016 01:54 PM (ODxAs)
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>>> Let's address the real root causeof terrorism: Government incompetence.
Once we've passed a law against that, we can talk about other laws.
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That seals it. I'm writing in "Blind Ewok" for president.
Sure, his work schedule makes Obama look like an early riser but I'm seeing that as a feature, not a bug.
Once we've passed a law against that, we can talk about other laws.
......
That seals it. I'm writing in "Blind Ewok" for president.
Sure, his work schedule makes Obama look like an early riser but I'm seeing that as a feature, not a bug.
Posted by: Damiano at June 17, 2016 01:54 PM (71OEY)
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We don't know what language he was speaking the gun shop owner said he was speaking a language that sounded Arabic. Could have been any of several.
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:54 PM (U+nHb)
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280 Posted by: PJ at June 17, 2016 01:51 PM (cHuNI)
Omar Mateen was investigated twice because of ~6 incidents at his work...you know where he carried a gun for the Feds?
There were at least 3 incidents outside his job where enough people's spider sense went off they dropped dime.
The FBI shrugged.
Any questions as to why I am against giving Donkey a free swing at the Pinata because they fucked up on purpose?
Omar Mateen was investigated twice because of ~6 incidents at his work...you know where he carried a gun for the Feds?
There were at least 3 incidents outside his job where enough people's spider sense went off they dropped dime.
The FBI shrugged.
Any questions as to why I am against giving Donkey a free swing at the Pinata because they fucked up on purpose?
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:54 PM (g8Hfr)
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Once we've passed a law against that, we can talk about other laws.
Step One: Vote Incumbents Out.
Step One: Vote Incumbents Out.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2016 01:54 PM (r65B3)
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My fault for not having the stomach to follow the details more closely, but why was he speaking in Arabic? Thought his father gave his utube rants in Dari (Afghan version of Persian). Not many native Arabic speakers in A'stan, very few I think.
This has puzzled me for a while.
Do we know it was specifically Arabic?
What language is diaperhead?
To me, they are all muzzies speaking diaperhead. I don't give a flipping shit to distinguish between sunni, shite, pashtun, etc.
This has puzzled me for a while.
Do we know it was specifically Arabic?
What language is diaperhead?
To me, they are all muzzies speaking diaperhead. I don't give a flipping shit to distinguish between sunni, shite, pashtun, etc.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2016 01:54 PM (T0djb)
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I guess it would be racist to examine the killer's cell phone records, just like his Facebook rantings.
That's the important thing: sensitivity!
That's the important thing: sensitivity!
Posted by: PJ at June 17, 2016 01:55 PM (cHuNI)
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A muslim shhots up a club full of gay hispanics and its the white mans fault.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 17, 2016 01:53 PM (lKyWE)
White Christian men!
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 17, 2016 01:53 PM (lKyWE)
White Christian men!
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 17, 2016 01:55 PM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Golfman - Conservative Refugee seeking asylum at June 17, 2016 01:55 PM (9HX7k)
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Fenelon - have you ever thought about what to do if a gunman, muslim or otherwise, was to enter your church on Sunday morning and start shooting?
I have thought about this often. I don't know if anyone in our congregation is armed any more. I know that we had a deputy sheriff in the flock and he was probably carrying but he retired to Arizona.
Judging by the victim's names, it looked like most were Hispanic.
I think that's more an artifact of being in Miami than personal choice. Hispanics are generally white or white/asian in any case.
I have thought about this often. I don't know if anyone in our congregation is armed any more. I know that we had a deputy sheriff in the flock and he was probably carrying but he retired to Arizona.
Judging by the victim's names, it looked like most were Hispanic.
I think that's more an artifact of being in Miami than personal choice. Hispanics are generally white or white/asian in any case.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 17, 2016 01:55 PM (39g3+)
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The law being proposed would ban me (a veteran) from buying guns but not Omar. Where is the common sense in that?
Posted by: blaster at June 17, 2016 01:55 PM (tewYv)
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298 A muslim shhots up a club full of gay hispanics and its the white mans fault.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 17, 2016 01:53 PM (lKyWE)
White Christian men!
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 17, 2016 01:55 PM (u0lmX)
White Christian straight men who vote Republican and own guns.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 17, 2016 01:53 PM (lKyWE)
White Christian men!
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 17, 2016 01:55 PM (u0lmX)
White Christian straight men who vote Republican and own guns.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 17, 2016 01:55 PM (0mRoj)
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NO NO NO you're all wrong. I proved this yesterday when I pointed out that there has not been an anti-gay massacre in San Francisco. This is because it is nearly impossible to park in San Francisco, and the massacre-ist would have to DOUBLE PARK in order to mow down the scores of people. Double parking is illegal! That's why a massacre hasn't happened in San Francisco, because No Double Parking signs are clearly posted.
Posted by: iforgot (NeverTrumpers, avert eyes) at June 17, 2016 01:47 PM (pC96u)
*slaps forehead*
My God. It's all so clear now!
Though I am reasonably certain that people on the street watching and waiting while I attempt to park, let us not ever ever ever discuss my attempts at parallel parking, want to murderate me a whole really lot.
The legal term for that is justifiable homicide.
Posted by: iforgot (NeverTrumpers, avert eyes) at June 17, 2016 01:47 PM (pC96u)
*slaps forehead*
My God. It's all so clear now!
Though I am reasonably certain that people on the street watching and waiting while I attempt to park, let us not ever ever ever discuss my attempts at parallel parking, want to murderate me a whole really lot.
The legal term for that is justifiable homicide.
Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 17, 2016 01:56 PM (mf5HN)
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Maybe shock is a factor at first,but three hours later?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 17, 2016 01:50 PM (lKyWE)
GET UP!
FOCUS!
TO THE FIGHT!
//Shit NCOs say when shit goes wrong
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:49 PM (g8Hfr)
In the absence of someone doing that, it's likely that folks will just do what has kept them alive so far, which is freeze in place.
I'd like to think I'm different and so do you, but until it happens, it's just thoughts.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 17, 2016 01:50 PM (lKyWE)
GET UP!
FOCUS!
TO THE FIGHT!
//Shit NCOs say when shit goes wrong
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:49 PM (g8Hfr)
In the absence of someone doing that, it's likely that folks will just do what has kept them alive so far, which is freeze in place.
I'd like to think I'm different and so do you, but until it happens, it's just thoughts.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2016 01:56 PM (kKHcp)
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FBI = Federal Backers of Islam
Posted by: Drill at June 17, 2016 01:56 PM (CpyhR)
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In England 1500 girls were raped over a decade because of a fear of being called a racist. Same shit here.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 17, 2016 01:56 PM (0LHZx)
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293 Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:54 PM (U+nHb)
He was ion all likelihood speaking Pashtun.
A jackass who hates that I post:
"The Simple Truth is a registered democrat muslim Security Contractor twice cleared by FBI shot 103 people."
is "racist"
I asked "where the fuck did I point out he's a Pashtuni?"
He was ion all likelihood speaking Pashtun.
A jackass who hates that I post:
"The Simple Truth is a registered democrat muslim Security Contractor twice cleared by FBI shot 103 people."
is "racist"
I asked "where the fuck did I point out he's a Pashtuni?"
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:56 PM (g8Hfr)
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I think that's more an artifact of being in Miami than personal choice. Hispanics are generally white or white/asian in any case.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 17, 2016 01:55 PM (39g3+)
Orlando, not Miami.
And it was Latin Night.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 17, 2016 01:55 PM (39g3+)
Orlando, not Miami.
And it was Latin Night.
Posted by: blaster at June 17, 2016 01:56 PM (tewYv)
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My greatest fear is being the guy who plugs a tango and then gets capped by friendly-fire from some pumped up LEO.
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I've been told by someone in education in Illinois that when she asked the cops about whether she or her teachers should be armed just in case, she was told that in the event of an active shooter, the LEO policy is to gun down anyone they see bearing arms.
"protect and serve".
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I've been told by someone in education in Illinois that when she asked the cops about whether she or her teachers should be armed just in case, she was told that in the event of an active shooter, the LEO policy is to gun down anyone they see bearing arms.
"protect and serve".
Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 17, 2016 01:56 PM (3Liv/)
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241 I thought what Trump said was to "Put a ban on Muslims entering from countries with known terrorist ties" until we can investigate and know what's going on. Yes?
If Ryan has a problem with that I suspect Ryan's getting a lot of money from some Muslim group or country
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2016 01:44 PM (rmw+9)
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Always follow the money. And this exactly why the GOPe are acting as they are. Prime example: The Corker Amendment that handed Iran carte blanche for developing nukes and $150 billion to buy Boeing airplanes.
241 I thought what Trump said was to "Put a ban on Muslims entering from countries with known terrorist ties" until we can investigate and know what's going on. Yes?
If Ryan has a problem with that I suspect Ryan's getting a lot of money from some Muslim group or country
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2016 01:44 PM (rmw+9)
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Always follow the money. And this exactly why the GOPe are acting as they are. Prime example: The Corker Amendment that handed Iran carte blanche for developing nukes and $150 billion to buy Boeing airplanes.
Posted by: Soona at June 17, 2016 01:56 PM (Fmupd)
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"fault for not having the stomach to follow the details more closely, but why was he speaking in Arabic? Thought his father gave his utube rants in Dari (Afghan version of Persian). Not many native Arabic speakers in A'stan, very few I think.
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I'm not sure it was actually Arabic. The owner may have heard Dari and just assumed "Arabic" since it was a Muslim guy speaking a foreign language.
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I'm not sure it was actually Arabic. The owner may have heard Dari and just assumed "Arabic" since it was a Muslim guy speaking a foreign language.
Posted by: Lauren at June 17, 2016 01:56 PM (Y1Jhk)
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Just a reminder: cabinet level positions (heads of agencies, etc) cannot be fired. They are appointed and approved by congress, not hires, and can only either resign or die in office. They cannot be summarily fired.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 17, 2016 01:56 PM (39g3+)
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Conspiracy theories they are not just for crazies anymore.*
*because we can't trust the government to tell us pertinent facts to cover their asses or to be honest at all
*because we can't trust the government to tell us pertinent facts to cover their asses or to be honest at all
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:56 PM (U+nHb)
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Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 17, 2016 01:50 PM (dFi94)
Well; I have considered it happening, but unlike your church, the two churches I serve are not packed with people ;^) but the ones that are there are very dear people. (Actually, we had a big crowd last week at the one church). I don't think anybody would have a gun, unlike people at churches in other parts of the country. What could people do if they didn't have guns-Throw things at the shooter?
I hate to say this but I think the peaceful religion of Islam will eventually pick a church as a target. and Obama will say, "Hateful Christian rhetoric" caused this. He hates Christianity and Judaism.
Well; I have considered it happening, but unlike your church, the two churches I serve are not packed with people ;^) but the ones that are there are very dear people. (Actually, we had a big crowd last week at the one church). I don't think anybody would have a gun, unlike people at churches in other parts of the country. What could people do if they didn't have guns-Throw things at the shooter?
I hate to say this but I think the peaceful religion of Islam will eventually pick a church as a target. and Obama will say, "Hateful Christian rhetoric" caused this. He hates Christianity and Judaism.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2016 01:57 PM (rmw+9)
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274 The guy in the gun shop?
Want to bet it wasn't Omar, it is another person?
First story I saw said the guy was speaking Arabic. Omar doesn't speak Arabic. He is Afghani. His Dad spoke Dari.
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:50 PM (v0YLX)
Good points, but how would the gun store staff even know the difference, unless they'd been deployed? It probably just sounded like some non-Spanish, non-English jibber jabber to them, as it would to me.
Want to bet it wasn't Omar, it is another person?
First story I saw said the guy was speaking Arabic. Omar doesn't speak Arabic. He is Afghani. His Dad spoke Dari.
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:50 PM (v0YLX)
Good points, but how would the gun store staff even know the difference, unless they'd been deployed? It probably just sounded like some non-Spanish, non-English jibber jabber to them, as it would to me.
Posted by: stace at June 17, 2016 01:58 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: Serenity Now! at June 17, 2016 01:58 PM (BDZWU)
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I'm sure this has been discussed (the threads are long), but the UK shooter was a genuine member of the Nazinarty & had a decades long history of mental problems.
People are going to change their vote because of HIM?
People are going to change their vote because of HIM?
Posted by: mnw at June 17, 2016 01:58 PM (aENAX)
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With my cynicism fully engaged, I think that this whole thing could be Fast and Furious II, This Time Using Terrorist Muzzies.
The first FnF blew up in their faces, and they spent years burying the evidence of what the were doing (arming cartels) and what they wanted to come from it (banning guns).
So. Change the federal security force training so that they cannot look at a muzzie crosswise. Then when the inevitable occurs, go for the gun ban.
It seems to be working too.
The first FnF blew up in their faces, and they spent years burying the evidence of what the were doing (arming cartels) and what they wanted to come from it (banning guns).
So. Change the federal security force training so that they cannot look at a muzzie crosswise. Then when the inevitable occurs, go for the gun ban.
It seems to be working too.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 17, 2016 01:58 PM (gyKtp)
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304 Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2016 01:56 PM (kKHcp)
My wife *is* she told stragglers to get the fuck to the bunker when rocketed when they froze.
I am pretty sure I would be....
when I was 11 a drug deal gone wrong had a guy open up past a crowd of kids with a 30/30....
I grabbed the kids and got them to safety going back twice.
My time as an infantryman never thank God put me back to the test.
You either respond or you don't...an NCO's job is to get fuckers to move.
My wife *is* she told stragglers to get the fuck to the bunker when rocketed when they froze.
I am pretty sure I would be....
when I was 11 a drug deal gone wrong had a guy open up past a crowd of kids with a 30/30....
I grabbed the kids and got them to safety going back twice.
My time as an infantryman never thank God put me back to the test.
You either respond or you don't...an NCO's job is to get fuckers to move.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:58 PM (g8Hfr)
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Yeah, well he was fighting the war.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:52 PM (gmeXX)
Not very competently. His administration was less fighting the war and more nation building. Take out Hussein, fine. Stay there for years, no. And what does fighting a war have to do with misrepresenting what a religion represents? If just as bad as Obarky's unwillingness to say radical Islam. Again, not saying Bush and Obama are equivalent. However, they both refused to properly present who we are fighting.
"These are the tactics of the lie. They smell of death and defeat."
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2016 01:52 PM (gmeXX)
Not very competently. His administration was less fighting the war and more nation building. Take out Hussein, fine. Stay there for years, no. And what does fighting a war have to do with misrepresenting what a religion represents? If just as bad as Obarky's unwillingness to say radical Islam. Again, not saying Bush and Obama are equivalent. However, they both refused to properly present who we are fighting.
"These are the tactics of the lie. They smell of death and defeat."
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at June 17, 2016 01:59 PM (Ee2nz)
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How about this? He faked his conservatism all along to get elected in his district. His real thoughts are leftist.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2016 01:54 PM (ODxAs)
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I don't think he faked it. At least not for his first couple of terms. He did his "apprenticeship" under Jack Kemp, and was a pretty conservative guy way back when. I worked on his first two campaigns. I have a hunch as to what happened, but I don't know if it would be slander to write it on the internet. Nothing nefarious. Family related.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2016 01:54 PM (ODxAs)
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I don't think he faked it. At least not for his first couple of terms. He did his "apprenticeship" under Jack Kemp, and was a pretty conservative guy way back when. I worked on his first two campaigns. I have a hunch as to what happened, but I don't know if it would be slander to write it on the internet. Nothing nefarious. Family related.
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 17, 2016 01:59 PM (dFi94)
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Orlando, not Miami.
And it was Latin Night.
Right, Orlando. Not really much of a difference, though. Florida's peninsula is pretty heavily hispanic. It has been for like 300 years.
And it was Latin Night.
Right, Orlando. Not really much of a difference, though. Florida's peninsula is pretty heavily hispanic. It has been for like 300 years.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 17, 2016 01:59 PM (39g3+)
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"The real cause of terrorism" is ISIL-inspired jihadists, & to defeat it, the U.S. & such allies as it has will have to turn Raqqa into a parking lot... & then keep a residual force there indefinitely. Perhaps for a century.
Posted by: mnw
Or we could just stop letting these people in. Almost all of the 9/11 hijackers were on overstayed visas.
Seems a lot easier to me than the NeoCon plan of having a war in every country in the Middle East.
Posted by: mnw
Or we could just stop letting these people in. Almost all of the 9/11 hijackers were on overstayed visas.
Seems a lot easier to me than the NeoCon plan of having a war in every country in the Middle East.
Posted by: Maritime at June 17, 2016 01:59 PM (BT0Cw)
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Murder is illegal.
I mean, not to state the obvious or anything, but it does seem to need to be stated.
Murder is illegal.
Once a person decides that, hey, I'm going to murder a whole bunch
of people, well, I don't think they will be overly fussed by violating a
number of lesser included offenses in order to achieve their goal.
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As hard as it is to improve on AtC's perspective, I would add that if the likely outcome of your chosen course of action is to go down in a hail of gunfire whenever the cops are eventually prompted to action, those legal concerns are even less noteworthy.
I mean, not to state the obvious or anything, but it does seem to need to be stated.
Murder is illegal.
Once a person decides that, hey, I'm going to murder a whole bunch
of people, well, I don't think they will be overly fussed by violating a
number of lesser included offenses in order to achieve their goal.
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As hard as it is to improve on AtC's perspective, I would add that if the likely outcome of your chosen course of action is to go down in a hail of gunfire whenever the cops are eventually prompted to action, those legal concerns are even less noteworthy.
Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 17, 2016 02:00 PM (3Liv/)
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Just a reminder: cabinet level positions (heads of agencies, etc) cannot be fired
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something has changed since Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre?
The president can't fire low level civil service employees either.
So it's only the mid level political appoints, like federal prosecutors, and assistant to the assistant undersecretary in charge of redundancy.
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something has changed since Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre?
The president can't fire low level civil service employees either.
So it's only the mid level political appoints, like federal prosecutors, and assistant to the assistant undersecretary in charge of redundancy.
Posted by: Wreckless Lee at June 17, 2016 02:00 PM (evQ4x)
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I figure Ryan was pretty conservative, but got corrupted in Washington DC by the massively leftist soup he was boiling in. Plus, in 2012, the GOPe gave everyone a choice: work with us, or be the enemy we try to destroy. Ryan decided to work with them.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 17, 2016 02:00 PM (39g3+)
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Just as an aside, Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey when in position of state attorney general prosecuted the muslim Ft Dix Six who were going to attack that military base. So he's 'up to speed' on the issue.
Posted by: Lice Wags at June 17, 2016 02:01 PM (ZnIt3)
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I don't think he faked it. At least not for his first couple of terms. He did his "apprenticeship" under Jack Kemp, and was a pretty conservative guy way back when. I worked on his first two campaigns. I have a hunch as to what happened, but I don't know if it would be slander to write it on the internet. Nothing nefarious. Family related.
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14
Please share with us, I think the public has a right to know.
I am embarassed that I also defended Paul Ryan.
Personally, I think he's just setting himself up to be the nominee next time around.
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14
Please share with us, I think the public has a right to know.
I am embarassed that I also defended Paul Ryan.
Personally, I think he's just setting himself up to be the nominee next time around.
Posted by: Maritime at June 17, 2016 02:01 PM (BT0Cw)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2016 02:02 PM (ODxAs)
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And hearing he was warning on Twitter and Facebook. Hmmmm guess hates peach goes only one way
Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2016 02:02 PM (d9qXV)
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I hate to say this but I think the peaceful religion
of Islam will eventually pick a church as a target. and Obama will
say, "Hateful Christian rhetoric" caused this. He hates Christianity and
Judaism.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2016 01:57 PM (rmw+9)
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I think this too. It's really hard thinking about shooting someone who comes into a church. On the other hand, the shepherd is charged with caring for the sheep. Soon-to-be-mister has a Concealed Carry license. So far, he hasn't brought his gun to church. Yet.
of Islam will eventually pick a church as a target. and Obama will
say, "Hateful Christian rhetoric" caused this. He hates Christianity and
Judaism.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2016 01:57 PM (rmw+9)
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I think this too. It's really hard thinking about shooting someone who comes into a church. On the other hand, the shepherd is charged with caring for the sheep. Soon-to-be-mister has a Concealed Carry license. So far, he hasn't brought his gun to church. Yet.
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 17, 2016 02:02 PM (dFi94)
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328 Posted by: Maritime at June 17, 2016 02:01 PM (BT0Cw)
His wife is a democrat lobbyist....just like Jake Tapper...
get the picture?
His wife is a democrat lobbyist....just like Jake Tapper...
get the picture?
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 02:03 PM (g8Hfr)
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Seems a lot easier to me than the NeoCon plan of having a war in every country in the Middle East.
You're getting straw everywhere.
You're getting straw everywhere.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 17, 2016 02:03 PM (39g3+)
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Obama, his minions, and the left have created a toxic atmosphere where to make a valid complaint or obsrvation, will subject you to harassment, job lost, threats, and being a target of the IRS.
That's how effin bad this country has gotten. Pure fascism in the form of SJW bullshite.
That's how effin bad this country has gotten. Pure fascism in the form of SJW bullshite.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 17, 2016 02:03 PM (iQIUe)
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Pffffft. Princess Earflaps, esteemed ruler of Electric Binkytown was talking...
About islamic terrorism, that she won't call islamic terrorism. Cuz like why call it that? Why not call it tangerine manatee?
And guns, which she has always been fast and furious about. (*cough cough, executive privilege cough cough*)
Ergo, she was lying.
Silly little bunt.
Next?
About islamic terrorism, that she won't call islamic terrorism. Cuz like why call it that? Why not call it tangerine manatee?
And guns, which she has always been fast and furious about. (*cough cough, executive privilege cough cough*)
Ergo, she was lying.
Silly little bunt.
Next?
Posted by: Cap City Daydrunk at June 17, 2016 02:03 PM (O50yS)
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As hard as it is to improve on AtC's perspective, I would add that if the likely outcome of your chosen course of action is to go down in a hail of gunfire whenever the cops are eventually prompted to action, those legal concerns are even less noteworthy.
Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 17, 2016 02:00 PM (3Liv/)
A most cromulent addition. Lemon bar? *offers*
Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 17, 2016 02:00 PM (3Liv/)
A most cromulent addition. Lemon bar? *offers*
Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 17, 2016 02:04 PM (mf5HN)
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The Corker Amendment that handed Iran carte blanche for developing nukes and $150 billion to buy Boeing airplanes.
Posted by: Soona at June 17, 2016 01:56 PM (Fmupd)
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Except Iran bought Airbuses earlier this year. That's how shitty the GOPe is.
Posted by: Soona at June 17, 2016 01:56 PM (Fmupd)
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Except Iran bought Airbuses earlier this year. That's how shitty the GOPe is.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 17, 2016 02:04 PM (0LHZx)
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Obama is straight up cool with a limited amount of terrorism. "We had it coming" after all.
Posted by: Max Power at June 17, 2016 02:04 PM (q177U)
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I have a hunch as to what happened, but I don't know if it would be slander to write it on the internet. Nothing nefarious. Family related.Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 17, 2016
How could it not be nefarious to cause such a 180? I remember you telling us at bicycle blog he was 'the real deal'.
How could it not be nefarious to cause such a 180? I remember you telling us at bicycle blog he was 'the real deal'.
Posted by: Lice Wags at June 17, 2016 02:04 PM (ZnIt3)
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Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 01:58 PM (g8Hfr)
Yeah, I get it. My point was that people do freeze, even if they've had training and expect trouble (like being in a war zone).
I've never froze yet, in situations that've called for immediate action, but that level of mayhem might just do it.
One never truly know until tested.
Yeah, I get it. My point was that people do freeze, even if they've had training and expect trouble (like being in a war zone).
I've never froze yet, in situations that've called for immediate action, but that level of mayhem might just do it.
One never truly know until tested.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2016 02:04 PM (kKHcp)
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327 Just as an aside, Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey when in position of state attorney general prosecuted the muslim Ft Dix Six who were going to attack that military base. So he's 'up to speed' on the issue.
Posted by: Lice Wags at June 17, 2016 02:01 PM (ZnIt3)
He also accused Obama (and the NJ Dems demanding more gun laws) of exploiting the Orlando shooting. So there's that.
https://youtu.be/IMfDgjgtSWY
Posted by: Lice Wags at June 17, 2016 02:01 PM (ZnIt3)
He also accused Obama (and the NJ Dems demanding more gun laws) of exploiting the Orlando shooting. So there's that.
https://youtu.be/IMfDgjgtSWY
Posted by: Gran at June 17, 2016 02:04 PM (XIXhw)
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He specifically targeted white people too, skipping over blacks
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There were black faces in the victim photos
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There were black faces in the victim photos
Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at June 17, 2016 02:05 PM (iR+s6)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 02:05 PM (p4UlV)
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I have a hunch as to what happened, but I don't know if it would be slander to write it on the internet. Nothing nefarious. Family related.
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14
Liberal wife?
I understand she is quite wealthy.
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14
Liberal wife?
I understand she is quite wealthy.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 17, 2016 02:05 PM (u0lmX)
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His wife is a democrat lobbyist....just like Jake Tapper...
get the picture?
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 02:03 PM (g8Hfr)
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Bingo
get the picture?
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 02:03 PM (g8Hfr)
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Bingo
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 17, 2016 02:05 PM (dFi94)
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"That's how effin bad this country has gotten. Pure fascism in the form of SJW bullshite."
But their intentions are spun of the purest most specialest fuzzy feelings, so your concerns just don't matter, Mr. Meany mean Facty Facts H8r.
But their intentions are spun of the purest most specialest fuzzy feelings, so your concerns just don't matter, Mr. Meany mean Facty Facts H8r.
Posted by: Cap City Daydrunk at June 17, 2016 02:05 PM (O50yS)
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325 Just a reminder: cabinet level positions (heads of agencies, etc) cannot be fired
That's why we need Trump - to work the public into a froth to change the entire civil service rules.
That's why we need Trump - to work the public into a froth to change the entire civil service rules.
Posted by: jwest at June 17, 2016 02:05 PM (Zs4uk)
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All thanks to the 52%ers. Never, ever forget that.
Posted by: LGoPs at June 17, 2016 01:01 PM (35KV+)
How many of those 52% were butt hurt conservatives that stayed home in 2012?
Posted by: LGoPs at June 17, 2016 01:01 PM (35KV+)
How many of those 52% were butt hurt conservatives that stayed home in 2012?
Posted by: Max Power at June 17, 2016 02:05 PM (q177U)
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Nood
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2016 02:06 PM (T0djb)
Posted by: Lizzy at June 17, 2016 02:06 PM (NOIQH)
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If you follow world news there has been attacks on Christian churches during a service but mostly in Africa, maybe in the South Asia as well.
Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2016 02:06 PM (d9qXV)
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Ras Poll:
Taken 6/14 and 6/15, so well after Orlando. And the Hildabeast is still up 5. Fuck it, I guess Americans want to commit suicide like Europe.
Taken 6/14 and 6/15, so well after Orlando. And the Hildabeast is still up 5. Fuck it, I guess Americans want to commit suicide like Europe.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 17, 2016 02:06 PM (0LHZx)
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Just learned that an old friend and colleague passed away a few minutes ago.
*sigh*
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 02:05 PM (p4UlV)
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I'm so very sorry, J.J. Very hard to lose a good friend. So sorry.
*sigh*
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 02:05 PM (p4UlV)
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I'm so very sorry, J.J. Very hard to lose a good friend. So sorry.
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 17, 2016 02:07 PM (dFi94)
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There were black faces in the victim photos
Yeah I don't think his aim was perfect. But according to black witnesses he said something like "blacks have suffered enough already"
Could just be rumor, though.
Yeah I don't think his aim was perfect. But according to black witnesses he said something like "blacks have suffered enough already"
Could just be rumor, though.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 17, 2016 02:07 PM (39g3+)
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But is Muslims target a church I think it's likely to be some large high profile church such as St Patrick's Cathedral or something. I hate thinking about this possibility, but there it is.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2016 02:07 PM (rmw+9)
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353 Just learned that an old friend and colleague passed away a few minutes ago.
*sigh*
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 02:05 PM (p4UlV)
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The one you had mentioned earlier?
Sorry to hear that.
*sigh*
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 02:05 PM (p4UlV)
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The one you had mentioned earlier?
Sorry to hear that.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2016 02:08 PM (T0djb)
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Seems a lot easier to me than the NeoCon plan of having a war in every country in the Middle East.
You're getting straw everywhere.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
No, I genuinely think the McCain's and Graham's of the GOP would have US troops in all sorts of Middle East countries fighting jihadists over there while shipping refugees over here by the millions.
You're getting straw everywhere.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
No, I genuinely think the McCain's and Graham's of the GOP would have US troops in all sorts of Middle East countries fighting jihadists over there while shipping refugees over here by the millions.
Posted by: Maritime at June 17, 2016 02:08 PM (BT0Cw)
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How many of those 52% were butt hurt conservatives that stayed home in 2012?
Posted by: Max Power at June 17, 2016 02:05 PM (q177U)
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None. If they stayed home, they couldn't have been part of the 52%.
Posted by: Max Power at June 17, 2016 02:05 PM (q177U)
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None. If they stayed home, they couldn't have been part of the 52%.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 17, 2016 02:08 PM (0LHZx)
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@326
Paul Ryan is not conservative much like the GOP is not conservative, oh sure they will tell you how conservative they are but after controlling the house for 18 of the last 22, they have produced nothing that is recognizable as conservative.
Conservatism is a meaningless virtue signifier not a governing political philosophy as practiced in the real world of politics in 2016 by anyone that calls themselves a member of the GOP.
Paul Ryan is not conservative much like the GOP is not conservative, oh sure they will tell you how conservative they are but after controlling the house for 18 of the last 22, they have produced nothing that is recognizable as conservative.
Conservatism is a meaningless virtue signifier not a governing political philosophy as practiced in the real world of politics in 2016 by anyone that calls themselves a member of the GOP.
Posted by: Kreplach at June 17, 2016 02:08 PM (3Xxpy)
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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2016 02:05 PM (p4UlV)
This is the friend you have mentioned a number of times whom you reconnected with after some time and who had cancer?
This is the friend you have mentioned a number of times whom you reconnected with after some time and who had cancer?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2016 02:08 PM (rmw+9)
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293 We don't know what language he was speaking the gun shop owner said he was speaking a language that sounded Arabic. Could have been any of several.
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:54 PM (U+nHb)
Probably Latin! Burn the Catholics!
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2016 01:54 PM (U+nHb)
Probably Latin! Burn the Catholics!
Posted by: The Media at June 17, 2016 02:08 PM (3ZoRf)
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"He also accused Obama (and the NJ Dems demanding more gun laws) of exploiting the Orlando shooting. So there's that. "
Pfffft. Why don't she go squirt a few more fake ones like she did when she read her magical telebinkies about sandy hook? That wouldn't be exploiting a shooting to score cheap political points at all, would it?
Pfffft. Why don't she go squirt a few more fake ones like she did when she read her magical telebinkies about sandy hook? That wouldn't be exploiting a shooting to score cheap political points at all, would it?
Posted by: Cap City Daydrunk at June 17, 2016 02:09 PM (O50yS)
Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 17, 2016 02:09 PM (3Liv/)
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The govt does want a weak populace full of worries. They do seem to be fine with increasing a muslim population to force the rest of the people into coercing the behavior they want. Both here and in Europe they want compliance to the State.
The govt does want a weak populace full of worries. They do seem to be fine with increasing a muslim population to force the rest of the people into coercing the behavior they want. Both here and in Europe they want compliance to the State.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2016 02:10 PM (ODxAs)
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I think this too. It's really hard thinking about shooting someone who comes into a church. On the other hand, the shepherd is charged with caring for the sheep. Soon-to-be-mister has a Concealed Carry license. So far, he hasn't brought his gun to church. Yet.
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 17, 2016 02:02 PM (dFi94)
I've considered this scenario quite a bit. So have others.
A friend of mine quit a church because in the wake of Wi getting CCW, his church put up the no weapons signs on the doors.
I later found out that this particular church at least half of the ushers at every service are off duty cops, who are armed.
And they train on how to defend that church when it's empty.
Any congregant who pulled a gun would likely be shot, even if trying to help.
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 17, 2016 02:02 PM (dFi94)
I've considered this scenario quite a bit. So have others.
A friend of mine quit a church because in the wake of Wi getting CCW, his church put up the no weapons signs on the doors.
I later found out that this particular church at least half of the ushers at every service are off duty cops, who are armed.
And they train on how to defend that church when it's empty.
Any congregant who pulled a gun would likely be shot, even if trying to help.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2016 02:10 PM (kKHcp)
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Now you have to admit that government workers are paragons of efficiency in utilizing pensions, breaks, vacations, training, travel, sick leave, paid leave, paternity leave, weather shutdowns, work slowdowns, and napping.
Sadly, they underutilize unemployment.
Sadly, they underutilize unemployment.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 17, 2016 02:10 PM (FtrY1)
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First story I saw said the guy was speaking Arabic. Omar doesn't speak Arabic. He is Afghani. His Dad spoke Dari.
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:50 PM (v0YLX)
And if you don't know either language, it's all just weirdbeard gabble. So people jump to conclusions. But Omar was ISIS. He'd been to Saudi twice. Could well be he learned arabic.
Posted by: rd at June 17, 2016 01:50 PM (v0YLX)
And if you don't know either language, it's all just weirdbeard gabble. So people jump to conclusions. But Omar was ISIS. He'd been to Saudi twice. Could well be he learned arabic.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2016 02:11 PM (GSdpU)
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Not to be impugning the sophistication of the gun shop owner, but.... I seriously doubt he understands the difference between Dari, Arabic or Pastun. I wouldnt.
All he heard was durka durk durka.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 17, 2016 01:54 PM (8XRCm)
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Beat me to it.
All he heard was durka durk durka.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 17, 2016 01:54 PM (8XRCm)
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Beat me to it.
Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at June 17, 2016 02:11 PM (rlfds)
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325 Just a reminder: cabinet level positions (heads of agencies, etc) cannot be fired
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something has changed since Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre?
The president can't fire low level civil service employees either.
So it's only the mid level political appoints, like federal prosecutors, and assistant to the assistant undersecretary in charge of redundancy.
Posted by: Wreckless Lee at June 17, 2016 02:00 PM (evQ4x)
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Congressionally approved cabinet level appointees are only confirmed to the length of the sitting president's term. After that term, the new prez can tell every one of them to take a fucking long hike.
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something has changed since Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre?
The president can't fire low level civil service employees either.
So it's only the mid level political appoints, like federal prosecutors, and assistant to the assistant undersecretary in charge of redundancy.
Posted by: Wreckless Lee at June 17, 2016 02:00 PM (evQ4x)
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Congressionally approved cabinet level appointees are only confirmed to the length of the sitting president's term. After that term, the new prez can tell every one of them to take a fucking long hike.
Posted by: Soona at June 17, 2016 02:11 PM (Fmupd)
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"All I know is that when we were fighting this in Iraq, it was not being fought in Orlando, Paris, California, and Texas."
Incredibly cogent point. Well put, indeed.
Funny, can't recall any of the gobshite msm solemnly intoning sad sad words about the grim death toll brought about by domestic islamic terrorism in the last few months. Why is that?
Incredibly cogent point. Well put, indeed.
Funny, can't recall any of the gobshite msm solemnly intoning sad sad words about the grim death toll brought about by domestic islamic terrorism in the last few months. Why is that?
Posted by: Cap City Daydrunk at June 17, 2016 02:12 PM (O50yS)
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340 Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2016 02:04 PM (kKHcp)
Whatever happened in there was bad enough it treed a Marine.
I will not besmirch his honor in his response his combat life saver skills saved from reports at least 1/2 dozen people.
I am quite unsure how I would respond to a mutant combination of Dr Phil meets ask the Imam that OPD allowed to drag on for three hours unarmed.
I assure you when I go home for the last time I will have my CCW and 6 shots of .38sp SWC +p will be my sword.
Whatever happened in there was bad enough it treed a Marine.
I will not besmirch his honor in his response his combat life saver skills saved from reports at least 1/2 dozen people.
I am quite unsure how I would respond to a mutant combination of Dr Phil meets ask the Imam that OPD allowed to drag on for three hours unarmed.
I assure you when I go home for the last time I will have my CCW and 6 shots of .38sp SWC +p will be my sword.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 02:12 PM (g8Hfr)
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Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luke 22:36
Sell your cloak and buy one....Obama roots for the other guy.
Luke 22:36
Sell your cloak and buy one....Obama roots for the other guy.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 02:13 PM (g8Hfr)
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Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2016 02:06 PM (d9qXV)
Yes, there have been numerous attacks on churches; I was speaking of it coming to the U.S.
Yes, there have been numerous attacks on churches; I was speaking of it coming to the U.S.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2016 02:13 PM (rmw+9)
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One never truly know until tested.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2016 02:04 PM (kKHcp)
And let us all pray to the Good Lord we never have to face that test.
One never truly know until tested.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2016 02:04 PM (kKHcp)
And let us all pray to the Good Lord we never have to face that test.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 17, 2016 02:13 PM (jxbfJ)
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Though I am reasonably certain that people on the street watching and waiting while I attempt to park, let us not ever ever ever discuss my attempts at parallel parking, want to murderate me a whole really lot.
The legal term for that is justifiable homicide.
Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 17, 2016 01:56 PM (mf5HN)
Some may want to murderate you, but many others appreciate the comedy you bring to their day as they watch you see saw back and forth before finally parking 2 yards away from the curb.
I brought delight to a porch full of people yesterday. One of them finally came over and did the wave-stop direction thing so I wasn't parked halfway out in the middle of the street.
(Morons, I don't want to hear a peep from you wiseguys
The legal term for that is justifiable homicide.
Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 17, 2016 01:56 PM (mf5HN)
Some may want to murderate you, but many others appreciate the comedy you bring to their day as they watch you see saw back and forth before finally parking 2 yards away from the curb.
I brought delight to a porch full of people yesterday. One of them finally came over and did the wave-stop direction thing so I wasn't parked halfway out in the middle of the street.
(Morons, I don't want to hear a peep from you wiseguys
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 17, 2016 02:14 PM (u0lmX)
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I heard an FBI agent that went to Universal on vacation was also attacked by an alligator. He said he was unaware of the danger . He thought the beware of alligator signs were part of the decor. He also didn't think the park ranger was serious when he told him to move away from the lake because there was a gator ten feet from him. Finally when the gator came up to him he thought it was a prop and attempted to pet it. He wished he just had more warning so he could have avoided this tragic event.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 17, 2016 02:14 PM (jGgVe)
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355 But is Muslims target a church I think it's likely to be some large high profile church such as St Patrick's Cathedral or something. I hate thinking about this possibility, but there it is.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2016 02:07 PM (rmw+9)
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Disagree. They're more likely to attack a medium sized church in a medium sized city. The purpose of terror is to make people feel unsafe no matter where they live.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2016 02:07 PM (rmw+9)
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Disagree. They're more likely to attack a medium sized church in a medium sized city. The purpose of terror is to make people feel unsafe no matter where they live.
Posted by: Soona at June 17, 2016 02:16 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 17, 2016 02:16 PM (u0lmX)
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Oh yea, attacking a Church will eventually happen.
And something tells me the people putting up rainbows right now on FaceBook won't be doing the same "we're with you all the way!!" type images for people who identify as Christians.
And something tells me the people putting up rainbows right now on FaceBook won't be doing the same "we're with you all the way!!" type images for people who identify as Christians.
Posted by: Maritime at June 17, 2016 02:18 PM (BT0Cw)
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Remember when the Left was up in arms because the don't ask don't tell was preventing some Arabic translators who happened to be gay assist in Afghanistan ? When told that Arabic translators not needed in Afghanistan their response was.. But still !
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 17, 2016 02:18 PM (jGgVe)
Posted by: Gran at June 17, 2016 02:18 PM (XIXhw)
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345 His wife is a democrat lobbyist....just like Jake Tapper...
get the picture?
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 02:03 PM (g8Hfr)
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Bingo
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 17, 2016 02:05 PM (dFi94)
Oh geez. He literally sleeps with the enemy.
345 His wife is a democrat lobbyist....just like Jake Tapper...
get the picture?
Posted by: sven10077 at June 17, 2016 02:03 PM (g8Hfr)
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Bingo
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 17, 2016 02:05 PM (dFi94)
Oh geez. He literally sleeps with the enemy.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at June 17, 2016 02:18 PM (u0lmX)
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327
Just as an aside, Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey when in position
of state attorney general prosecuted the muslim Ft Dix Six who were
going to attack that military base. So he's 'up to speed' on the issue.
Posted by: Lice Wags at June 17, 2016 02:01 PM
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And the same Gov. Christie then turned around and appointed the Ft. Dix Six attorney to the NJ Superior Court. One Sohail Mohmmed--who has ties to several muslim brotherhood organizations. When questioned about it Christie stated, "(This) sharia law business is crap...and I'm tired of dealing with the crazies!"
Andy McCarthy wrote a whole column on Christie's affection for muslims entitled "Christie Is Not One of Us" in response to someone else on NRO writing an article titled "Christie Is One of Us." Perhaps unsurprisingly, McCarthy's article has vanished...I'll keep looking.
Just as an aside, Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey when in position
of state attorney general prosecuted the muslim Ft Dix Six who were
going to attack that military base. So he's 'up to speed' on the issue.
Posted by: Lice Wags at June 17, 2016 02:01 PM
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And the same Gov. Christie then turned around and appointed the Ft. Dix Six attorney to the NJ Superior Court. One Sohail Mohmmed--who has ties to several muslim brotherhood organizations. When questioned about it Christie stated, "(This) sharia law business is crap...and I'm tired of dealing with the crazies!"
Andy McCarthy wrote a whole column on Christie's affection for muslims entitled "Christie Is Not One of Us" in response to someone else on NRO writing an article titled "Christie Is One of Us." Perhaps unsurprisingly, McCarthy's article has vanished...I'll keep looking.
Posted by: IrishEi at June 17, 2016 02:19 PM (Lsu4e)
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379 Oh yea, attacking a Church will eventually happen.
And something tells me the people putting up rainbows right now on FaceBook won't be doing the same "we're with you all the way!!" type images for people who identify as Christians.
Posted by: Maritime at June 17, 2016 02:18 PM (BT0Cw)
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I want to say after Orlando that won't happen. But.........
379 Oh yea, attacking a Church will eventually happen.
And something tells me the people putting up rainbows right now on FaceBook won't be doing the same "we're with you all the way!!" type images for people who identify as Christians.
Posted by: Maritime at June 17, 2016 02:18 PM (BT0Cw)
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I want to say after Orlando that won't happen. But.........
Posted by: Soona at June 17, 2016 02:20 PM (Fmupd)
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Chief Brody, there's been another shark attack!
Well, clearly we need to ban shark repellent and remove the shark netting at the beach! After all, Amity means friendship.
Well, clearly we need to ban shark repellent and remove the shark netting at the beach! After all, Amity means friendship.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2016 02:22 PM (kTF2Z)
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>>> All I know is that when we were fighting this in Iraq, it was not being fought in Orlando, Paris, California, and Texas.
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... and TN, MA... nevermind the attacks on our embassies and outposts overseas.
Our country HAS fundamentally changed.
In 1986, two US citizens were killed in a Berlin nightclub bombing by Libyan terrorists.10 days later, we dropped 60 tons of ordinance on Libya, wiping out installations from Tikrit to Benghazi. The only reason it took 10 days was we were confirming responsibility. Zero attacks or bullshit from them after that for 20 years.
Today, 50 people are killed and 50 more injured in a nightclub IN THE US by a terrorist who CALLED 911 and PLEDGED HIS ALLEGIANCE to ISIS. ISIS claimed responsibility within hours. Who is our govenment and President targeting for these attacks? Americans. What to they say is to blame? The Second Ammendment and "hate crimes" against gays. Who are they ramping up security against? "Right Wing Extremists".
How is it not abundantly clear that the government has declared war on American citizens while engaging in outreach and negotiations with people who want to kill Americans?
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... and TN, MA... nevermind the attacks on our embassies and outposts overseas.
Our country HAS fundamentally changed.
In 1986, two US citizens were killed in a Berlin nightclub bombing by Libyan terrorists.10 days later, we dropped 60 tons of ordinance on Libya, wiping out installations from Tikrit to Benghazi. The only reason it took 10 days was we were confirming responsibility. Zero attacks or bullshit from them after that for 20 years.
Today, 50 people are killed and 50 more injured in a nightclub IN THE US by a terrorist who CALLED 911 and PLEDGED HIS ALLEGIANCE to ISIS. ISIS claimed responsibility within hours. Who is our govenment and President targeting for these attacks? Americans. What to they say is to blame? The Second Ammendment and "hate crimes" against gays. Who are they ramping up security against? "Right Wing Extremists".
How is it not abundantly clear that the government has declared war on American citizens while engaging in outreach and negotiations with people who want to kill Americans?
Posted by: Damiano at June 17, 2016 02:23 PM (71OEY)
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Here's a link to an article about Christie and his muslim enthusiasm from The Clarion Project (excellent website, by the way)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/go7kym9
http://preview.tinyurl.com/go7kym9
Posted by: IrishEi at June 17, 2016 02:26 PM (Lsu4e)
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Posted by: Damiano at June 17, 2016 02:23 PM (71OEY)
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That's what's so frustrating about all this, American citizens are made to be the bad guys, while the people responsible are made to not be who they are and didn't really do it..
Meanwhile, the senate debates to undo the Bill of Rights.
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That's what's so frustrating about all this, American citizens are made to be the bad guys, while the people responsible are made to not be who they are and didn't really do it..
Meanwhile, the senate debates to undo the Bill of Rights.
Posted by: willy at June 17, 2016 02:29 PM (Ffw22)
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If passing more 'gun control' legislation is the 'fix' to this, I offer an amendment to whatever bill they deem 'necessary'. If, upon passage of said bill, ANOTHER attack happens to occur on American soil by an Islamic Jihadist, then for every innocent American life lost in that attack, a member of Congress shall be executed for dangerous incompetence. I don't even care anymore if they start with the Majority party. If we run out of congress critters, then work up the chain beginning with Secretary of Defense...
Posted by: TheFoundersParty at June 17, 2016 02:55 PM (QAVtQ)
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#371, I often rock a J-frame as a "going to the grocery store" gun, but I have decided I am generally underarmed by doing so.
My usual carry is a 1911A1 with 8 round Wilson mags, usually one reload but occasionally two. I have been rethinking that. This weekend I am packing a combination trauma/ammo reload bag that will live in my truck whenever I am not going on and off the secured Federal installation that is my day job.
My usual carry is a 1911A1 with 8 round Wilson mags, usually one reload but occasionally two. I have been rethinking that. This weekend I am packing a combination trauma/ammo reload bag that will live in my truck whenever I am not going on and off the secured Federal installation that is my day job.
Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at June 17, 2016 03:20 PM (Ba/TT)
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Obama: "Why is it we think our liberty requires these repeated tragedies. That's not the meaning of liberty
Abolishing the Second Amendment isn't the meaning of liberty, either.
I think our liberty requires a president to do his job, crush ISIS and stop importing Sharia.
It also requires this:
"Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."--John Adams
And he didn't mean the moral values of the Tripoli pirates.
He's not just saying play nice with others. He means if this country ever has too many criminals, communists, pirates and terrorist sympathizers, we'll lose a free state and go to a security state.
It wouldn't stop with the Second Amendment, either--the whole Bill of Rights are limitations on government power that come in mighty handy in a Security State.
Abolishing the Second Amendment isn't the meaning of liberty, either.
I think our liberty requires a president to do his job, crush ISIS and stop importing Sharia.
It also requires this:
"Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."--John Adams
And he didn't mean the moral values of the Tripoli pirates.
He's not just saying play nice with others. He means if this country ever has too many criminals, communists, pirates and terrorist sympathizers, we'll lose a free state and go to a security state.
It wouldn't stop with the Second Amendment, either--the whole Bill of Rights are limitations on government power that come in mighty handy in a Security State.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at June 18, 2016 12:25 AM (Ndje9)
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