Overnight Open Thread (6-6-2016)

Quote of the Day I

Two themes seem to dominate Commencement speeches. One is shameless self-advertising by people in government, or in related organisations supported by the taxpayers or donors, saying how much nobler it is to be in "public service" than working in business or other "selfish" activities.

In other words, the message is that it is morally superior to be in organisations consuming output produced by others than to be in organisations which produce that output. Moreover, being morally one-up is where it's at.

The second theme of many Commencement speakers, besides flattering themselves that they are in morally superior careers, is to flatter the graduates that they are now equipped to go out into the world as "leaders" who can prescribe how other people should live.

In other words, young people, who in most cases have never had the sobering responsibility and experience of being self-supporting adults, are to tell other people -- who have had that responsibility and that experience for years -- how they should live their lives.

-- Thomas Sowell

While Mike Rowe gives the counter-commencement speech that new graduates need to hear here:

Quote of the Day II

"The most scary moment in a fighter's life is right now. The moment before the fight, in your dressing room, all the training is behind you, all the advice in the world don't mean a thing, in a moment you'll be in the ring, everyone is on the line, and you...are...scared."

-- Muhammad Ali commenting on the scene where Rocky is praying right before his rematch with Apollo Creed in The Time Muhammad Ali And Roger Ebert Watched 'Rocky II' Together

Quote of the Day III - Welcome to 2016 Edition

With all the new products being showcased at Computex this past week, it's totally understandable if you happened to miss some of the actually useful things technology does for us. Besides enabling us to send pictures of our genitals anywhere in the world in an instant, I mean.

BuzzFeed Cancels $1.3 Million Ad Buy by RNC Because Trump is "Hazardous to Our Health"

Even though they accepted the buy in April when Trump was almost certain to be the nominee and nothing has really changed since then.

Meanwhile the Washington Free Beacon has released a list of the evil companies that they're willing to accept advertising from.

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Hillary's Uncontrollable Cough is Back

And Bill is looking rather reanimated these days.

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Parents Could Be Sued By Their Kids For Posting Pictures of Them On Facebook Without Permission

On the other hand children are generally unable to give legal consent so how could they give permission anyway?

Neo-Neocon on the Japanese Boy Abandoned in the Woods as Punishment

Supposedly they only meant to scare him but when they returned a short while later, he was gone. He was found alive and well 7 days later by a soldier on a military base.

When I was a child and my mother used to drive me hither and yon, she would often get annoyed at something I did or said, and would threaten to put me out of the car and make me walk home. Sometimes this happened when we were very far away from home, and it scared me (although I can't remember what sparked the incidents; my recollection of myself was as having been well-behaved).

I do remember calling her bluff once, though. It's no coincidence that we weren't all that far from the house at the time, the weather was decent, and I probably could have successfully walked home.

...When my son was young, the scene played out very differently. Neither my husband nor I was going to threaten our son with any such thing, but he was sometimes pretty headstrong and we still had to discipline him. Once when he was about two and a half we were in a large mall and had been there for several hours. It was time to go home, and we told our son so.

"No!" he said vehemently. "I want to stay!"

When we insisted we needed to go, our son said even more forcefully that he was going to stay in the mall. So instead of our abandoning him, he was proposing to abandon us.

My husband asked him, "But who will take care of you?" Without missing a beat, standing smack in the middle of the mall, our son immediately pointed to the first man who walked by. "He will!" our son said firmly and triumphantly, not the least bit perturbed. Then a woman passed by, and our son pointed again: "She will."

He had a point. We finally just picked him up and took him out of there.

The WFB: How 'The Longest Day' Got D-Day Wrong

While 'Saving Private Ryan' managed to capture a lot of the chaos, carnage, and screw-ups along with the courage and initiative that went on that day.

Related: When Wyler Came Back

D-Day Scenes - Then and Now

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Microsoft Backtracks On 'Nasty Trick' Upgrade To Windows 10

Days after angering many users with its so-called "nasty trick", Microsoft has reversed its crazy decision to infuriate users by upgrading them to Windows 10 automatically. Users were angry that clicking the cross to dismiss the box meant that they had agreed to the upgrade. Based on "customer feedback", Microsoft said it would add another notification that provided customers with "an additional opportunity for cancelling the upgrade". Microsoft told the BBC it had modified the pop-up as a result of criticism: "We've added another notification that confirms the time of the scheduled upgrade and provides the customer an additional opportunity for cancelling or rescheduling the upgrade. If the customer wishes to continue with their upgrade at the designated time, they can click 'OK' or close the notifications with no further action needed."

Microsoft has been an asshole about the free Windows 10 upgrade from the get-go. First they had the reminder in the taskbar that would not go away, then they started auto-scheduling the upgrade whether you wanted it or not, then they sneakily changed the confirmation window so that clicking on the usual X box for close actually was taken as an Okay to upgrade.

Just stop it assholes. People will eventually upgrade to Windows 10 (or not) on their own damn schedules. If your product is decent, you shouldn't have to act like malware vendors.

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SJW Rose McGowan 1, Fox 0

Do you see all that is problematic about this 'X-Men: Apocalypse' movie poster? No? Well that's because you're man-seeing it with your sexist man-eyes.

Remember: Women are completely equal to men in all possible ways - but they must never actually be treated the same as men because their self-esteem is as fragile as wet toilet paper exposed to pink kryptonite.

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Caitlyn Jenner to Appear Naked in SI

Because fuck you readers that's why.

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Two Words: Pussy. Snorkel. Welcome to 2016 where there is an entire factory in China dedicated to this. Search this AYOR. You have been warned.

The Yahoo AoSHQ group - it's got electrolytes and shit.

And my twitter thang.

Tonight's post brought to you by this happened 27 years ago today:

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Notice: Posted by permission of AceCorp LLC. Offers not void where prohibited by law or in CT.

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1 Don't you think that we should also have weekly stats on who gets the most "firsts"? Maet will get right on that, I'm sure, 'cause it's such a great suggestion.

Mirite or mirite?

Posted by: mindful webworker - old whippersnapper at June 06, 2016 11:41 PM (5a8XA)

2 Evenin' everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 06, 2016 11:41 PM (T/cxb)

3 Howdy!

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at June 06, 2016 11:41 PM (nvMvs)

4 Thank God for Maet.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at June 06, 2016 11:42 PM (09tFn)

5 Nice ONT Maet....

people our age will look back at T Square as "the good old days when we had better civil liberties than China"

Posted by: sven10077 at June 06, 2016 11:43 PM (g8Hfr)

6 Thank you, thank you, thank you.


Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 06, 2016 11:43 PM (qDy8r)

7 Keith Richards just emailed me to say that Bill Clinton has really let himself go.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at June 06, 2016 11:44 PM (nvMvs)

8 Hola y hasta.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 06, 2016 11:45 PM (6Ey7x)

9 Bill's latest $350,000 speeches are pretty much limited to "braaaaaiiinns"

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 06, 2016 11:46 PM (sl+zA)

10 "Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do ..."

Bill Clinton channeling the Hal 9000

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 06, 2016 11:47 PM (oKE6c)

11 "If I made the ONT it would just be a you tube of the fart scene from Blazing Saddles."


That would not be a bad ONT. Lot's to be learned there.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 06, 2016 11:48 PM (6Ey7x)

12 'Lo, 'rons....

Posted by: cthulhu at June 06, 2016 11:49 PM (EzgxV)

13 I think Bill's cigar playing days are over. Low energy, now, it looks like. His mouth is hanging open a lot, and when you see a man doing that, he's about gone.

Hell, I bet he can't even manage to finger the Energizer any more. She just hangs around for all the cash he can funnel her from the Foundation.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 06, 2016 11:49 PM (DW+jj)

14 Congratulations, class of 2016. Here's your diploma and cyanide capsule, since you have no hope for the future.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at June 06, 2016 11:49 PM (0mRoj)

15 Obama Administration's Attempts To Reverse Temporally Impose Regulations Ruled Unconstitutional

Obama, clearly a Master of temporal mechanics and backwards flowing time, was stopped from fining a therapy provider, Caring Hearts, under regulations that were passed after the alleged violation occurred.

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=11931

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 06, 2016 11:50 PM (vBeA5)

16 I saw Pussy Snorkel open for L7 at the Roxxy in Tucson.

Posted by: garrett at June 06, 2016 11:51 PM (6kxiP)

17 Amazon has a glow in the dark pussy snorkel. Because America, that's why.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 06, 2016 11:51 PM (R+30W)

18 Has anyone done the obligatory "I saw pussy snorkel open for the burning dorks at... in 19**" yet?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 06, 2016 11:52 PM (3ZoRf)

19 Beat by that much!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 06, 2016 11:52 PM (3ZoRf)

20 Bill looks like a White Walker gave him his latest hummer.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 06, 2016 11:52 PM (6FqZa)

21 No, not another snorkel! These things out to be banned.

Posted by: ER Doc at June 06, 2016 11:52 PM (DW+jj)

22 RIP Kimbo Slice.....

Aged 42

Posted by: sven10077 at June 06, 2016 11:52 PM (g8Hfr)

23 how old is slick willie anyway? that dude looks like death.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 06, 2016 11:52 PM (ucDmr)

24
Microsoft Backtracks On 'Nasty Trick' Upgrade To Windows 10



GWX Control Panel

http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

Problem solved

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 06, 2016 11:53 PM (kdS6q)

25 "Has anyone done the obligatory "I saw pussy snorkel open for the burning dorks at... in 19**" yet? "


Okay, I stuck around a bit.


No. What the fcuk that even mean?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 06, 2016 11:53 PM (6Ey7x)

26 PragerU!

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 06, 2016 11:53 PM (R5HRU)

27 I think Bill is going to expire in Oct. to give Hillary a big sympathy vote. She'll make sure he does.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 06, 2016 11:54 PM (DW+jj)

28 16 I saw Pussy Snorkel open for L7 at the Roxxy in Tucson.

L7?????? I have to ask - did you get that from Pat Hughes?????

Posted by: Vertov at June 06, 2016 11:55 PM (RTOcO)

29 Why is there SCUBA gear for my cat now?

Posted by: sven10077 at June 06, 2016 11:55 PM (g8Hfr)

30 " RIP Kimbo Slice.....

Aged 42"



Passes through. Guy had like 15 minutes 10 years ago.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 06, 2016 11:55 PM (6Ey7x)

31 The World's Greatest Amazon Review Is This Person Who Accidentally Bought A 'Pussy Snorkel' For His Cat
http://tinyurl.com/hc8v566
(BroBible)

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 06, 2016 11:55 PM (R+30W)

32 I see a big future for Bubba selling prelubricated catheters on TV

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 06, 2016 11:56 PM (sl+zA)

33 Bill looks so decrepit in that pic or maybe he has a Barbie doll stuck in his ass.

Posted by: L, Elle at June 06, 2016 11:56 PM (6IPEM)

34 Damn Kimbo is dead? I just watched him on youtube

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 06, 2016 11:57 PM (R5HRU)

35 " Why is there SCUBA gear for my cat now?"


You're cat?

Cat's don't like water. They can't dive.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 06, 2016 11:57 PM (6Ey7x)

36 But we like it rough!

Posted by: blue chicks at June 06, 2016 11:57 PM (PLnZs)

37 clinton makes bob dylan look like a dashing young man. holy shit, pussy really takes it's toll on some clowns. he doesn't look long for this planet.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 06, 2016 11:58 PM (ucDmr)

38 I think Bill's cigar playing days are over. Low energy, now, it looks like. His mouth is hanging open a lot, and when you see a man doing that, he's about gone.

Hell, I bet he can't even manage to finger the Energizer any more. She just hangs around for all the cash he can funnel her from the Foundation.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 06, 2016 11:49 PM (DW+jj)


Prediction:

Bill Clinton will die before November and Hillary will announce her engagement to Huma...

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 06, 2016 11:58 PM (vBeA5)

39 Thank you Maet for another great ONT, and for saving us from the previous thread
Hope your jet lag is not too severe

Posted by: chemjeff at June 06, 2016 11:58 PM (uAvJJ)

40 Just imagine Bill, in a nightie, with a Barbie protruding from his ass.

I had to look it up, and the pussy snorkel is indeed a real thing. It fits in your nose. The idea is to be able to breathe good while doing some serious cunning linguist work.

Pikers..........

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 06, 2016 11:59 PM (DW+jj)

41 30 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 06, 2016 11:55 PM (6Ey7x)

This is like the Black 9/11 Part Two!

//Dave Chapelle Chemically Enhanced

Posted by: sven10077 at June 06, 2016 11:59 PM (g8Hfr)

42 Well, maybe she is taking propranolol . That can cause chronic cough.

Posted by: SarahW at June 06, 2016 11:59 PM (3fTXW)

43 "Damn Kimbo is dead? I just watched him on youtube"


Assuming drug related. He had a short burn.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 06, 2016 11:59 PM (6Ey7x)

44 All that rape and pedophilia must really take it out of a guy.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 06, 2016 11:59 PM (sl+zA)

45 What is with the out and out loathing of customers by corporations these days?

Posted by: eleven at June 06, 2016 11:59 PM (qUNWi)

46 34 Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 06, 2016 11:57 PM (R5HRU)

Heart is the rumor....not uncommon for MMA/wrestlers

Posted by: sven10077 at June 06, 2016 11:59 PM (g8Hfr)

47 Reading about the Clintons being paid big bucks to talk to banks and corporations, I am wondering how do I get in contact with their speaker bureau.


Hell, I can get up in front of a bunch of people and run my mouth for forty minutes. They will be lucky to get me to shut up and sit down afterwards.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 12:00 AM (QHgTq)

48 Chelsea is killing him with a Vegan diet, for one thing.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:00 AM (DW+jj)

49 48 Chelsea is killing him with a Vegan diet, for one thing.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:00 AM (DW+jj)

Hmmm, you lose weight, but you look like a walking corpse. Seriously, he could get extra work on the Walking Dead.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 12:01 AM (3ZoRf)

50 I swear it's that stupid vegan diet that Chelsea convinced old Bill to try.
He looks bad.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 07, 2016 12:01 AM (T/5A0)

51
Congratulations, class of 2016. Here's your diploma and cyanide capsule, since you have no hope for the future.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016


Heard on the radio last night that 50% of law school graduates cannot find a law job.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 07, 2016 12:01 AM (IqV8l)

52 48 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:00 AM (DW+jj)

It'd be patricide....if his name was Webb Hubbell.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:01 AM (g8Hfr)

53 Dr. Muldoon to the ER stat...

"Are you glad to see me or is that just a snorkel in your pants?"

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2016 12:02 AM (jFXTk)

54 But to follow that rule slights the story of Omaha as an epic human
tragedy which in the early hours bordered on total disaster.



Whiny General Marshall, he's why Germany and Europe is the way it is as opposed to Mac Arthur's Japan.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 07, 2016 12:02 AM (qDy8r)

55 Heard on the radio last night that 50% of law school graduates cannot find a law job.

Sounds like the basis for a class-action suit.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 07, 2016 12:02 AM (T/cxb)

56 Too bad about Slice, always liked him.

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 07, 2016 12:03 AM (R5HRU)

57 55 Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 07, 2016 12:02 AM (T/cxb)

Along with grievance studies...

here we have kids who have been taught literally shit and they are in the hole on average 24,000-60,000 bucks....

and the GOP can't weaponize that?

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:04 AM (g8Hfr)

58 Would it be presumptuous to show up for a blind date with a snorkel in your hand, or would that be seen as a nice compliment?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 07, 2016 12:04 AM (sl+zA)

59 GMTA.

But for heaven's sake.
There's a happy medium between Big Macs and alfalfa sprouts as the mainstay of your diet.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 07, 2016 12:04 AM (T/5A0)

60 See that little punk in front of those tanks holding up the business of government for his own shopping convenience? Pathetic! Sad! Probably Mexican!

Posted by: Donald Trump Who's Jealous of His Airtime at June 07, 2016 12:05 AM (Kucy5)

61 55 Heard on the radio last night that 50% of law school graduates cannot find a law job.

Sounds like the basis for a class-action suit.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 07, 2016 12:02 AM (T/cxb)

If they've been lying about their job placement rates, then have at it.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 12:05 AM (DMWVF)

62 On my crappy ghettopcs device, or my home iPad, or my work PC....Why the fuck does it take so fukin long for the AoS site to load these days?!?!?!!

Posted by: _ZEKE_ at June 07, 2016 12:05 AM (N8INK)

63 Propranolol is a beta- blocker used to lower blood pressure. Some people take it to control panic and anxiety .... It's. "Stage fright" medicine sometimes used by public speakers. It has other uses, such as migraine control. One singularly nasty side effect is development of chronic uncontrollable cough.

Posted by: SarahW at June 07, 2016 12:05 AM (3fTXW)

64
Heard on the radio last night that 50% of law school graduates cannot find a law job.

Sounds like the basis for a class-action suit.
Posted by: Blanco Basura


Only if they went to Trump Law School.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 07, 2016 12:05 AM (IqV8l)

65 Seriously was the WJC pic photoshopped? If not, for god sake the man needs a makeup artist just so he doesn't scare people on the campaign trail. I heard he's vegan. Someone said that vegans don't live forever they just look like they do. If he's vegan, there ya go.

Posted by: keena at June 07, 2016 12:05 AM (RiTnx)

66 I, for one, will never update to Windows 10. The real evil is in the EULA.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:06 AM (EzgxV)

67 Clinton looks like he should be in charge of restoring his blood oxygen level, not the economy.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at June 07, 2016 12:06 AM (Kucy5)

68 51
Congratulations, class of 2016. Here's your diploma and cyanide capsule, since you have no hope for the future.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016

Heard on the radio last night that 50% of law school graduates cannot find a law job.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 07, 2016 12:01 AM (IqV8l)

I'm not surprised. Law firms around the country are slashing headcounts.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 12:06 AM (DMWVF)

69 IIRC, the Dems were big on the Fannie and Freddie cronyism, while the Repubs are into Sallie Mae (the student loan machine). So the student loan racket may be sucking Elephant cock and that's why they don't weaponize it.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:06 AM (DW+jj)

70 Dang, if Trump picked Mike Rowe as his VP...

...I would damn near turn gay for that.

Posted by: rickl at June 07, 2016 12:06 AM (sdi6R)

71 Tell me, who eats a 1/2 cup of ice cream? A three year old? Because that is what the carton of ice cream says:
serving size: 1/2 cup.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 07, 2016 12:06 AM (CFc5L)

72 Wow....that Mike Rowe speech was awesome.

That should be required viewing for all....

eh never mind.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 12:06 AM (qUNWi)

73 " Too bad about Slice, always liked him. "


He was 42. I think "things" were involved here. Did I say "what?"

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 07, 2016 12:06 AM (6Ey7x)

74 61 Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 12:05 AM (DMWVF)

It's a clearer case than that, these kids have been lied to starting in elementary school that the ONLY way to prosperity is a degree ANY degree....

Turns out Underwater Lesbian Basket-Weaving Grievance Studies does NOT ensure a six figure future...

Sue all the way to the local districts.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:06 AM (g8Hfr)

75 No snorkelers will ever make it to where I'm hiding.

Posted by: little man in the boat at June 07, 2016 12:07 AM (H9MG5)

76 Billy Jeff Clinton looks like Old Honkey Dude Walking.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2016 12:07 AM (jFXTk)

77 66 I, for one, will never update to Windows 10. The real evil is in the EULA.
Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:06 AM (EzgxV)

Pretty much all EULAs are evil.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 12:07 AM (DMWVF)

78 "...I would damn near turn gay for that."


There was a thread about that earlier.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 07, 2016 12:08 AM (6Ey7x)

79 73 " Too bad about Slice, always liked him. "


He was 42. I think "things" were involved here. Did I say "what?"
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 07, 2016 12:06 AM (6Ey7x)

He did test positive for roids not too long ago.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 12:08 AM (DMWVF)

80 He was 42. I think "things" were involved here. Did I say "what?"

His snorkel failed?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 07, 2016 12:08 AM (T/cxb)

81 24
Microsoft Backtracks On 'Nasty Trick' Upgrade To Windows 10



GWX Control Panel

http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

Problem solved

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 06, 2016 11:53 PM (kdS6q)




While GWX CP is a nice tool, Microsoft has a lotta programmers who could figure a way around it. It's really more of a "No, Don't!" that keeps a rape from appearing consensual.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:08 AM (EzgxV)

82 69 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:06 AM (DW+jj)

If true I am going to go gargle with a bleach/alkaline oven cleaner spritz....

the GOP is asses and elbows deep in empowering the academy's frippery?

Of course they are.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:08 AM (g8Hfr)

83 *sigh*
Nail-biter game in college baseball playoffs.
NC State pulls ahead of Coastal Carolina 5-3.
Ninth inning and CC has men on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out.
And.........
Rain delay.

I blame it on global warming.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 07, 2016 12:10 AM (T/5A0)

84 The brunt of Sallie Mae campaign contributions go to Repubs. They hit the Dems pretty good too, but the majority goes to Rs. They peaked in '04, then spiked again in '12.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:11 AM (DW+jj)

85 Can someone unpack for us tards what windows 10 is doing to harm us?

I know it is I just don't know how.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 12:11 AM (qUNWi)

86 I'll be interested to see what the reports were on Slice but I gotta give it up to the man. He cashed in on his videos in a speedy way

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 07, 2016 12:11 AM (R5HRU)

87 74 61 Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 12:05 AM (DMWVF)

It's a clearer case than that, these kids have been lied to starting in elementary school that the ONLY way to prosperity is a degree ANY degree....

Turns out Underwater Lesbian Basket-Weaving Grievance Studies does NOT ensure a six figure future...

Sue all the way to the local districts.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:06 AM (g8Hfr)

Generalized shitty advice from society is unfortunately not actionable. If a school made representations about the rate at which its graduates were employed at x years post-graduation and knew they were false, that could be a legit fraud case.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 12:11 AM (DMWVF)

88 83 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 07, 2016 12:10 AM (T/5A0)

Lad and I used to watch the CCU Chanticleers aka "raging Chickens" when we live at the condo in Surfside...

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:11 AM (g8Hfr)

89 Say what you want about Trumps hair, he's the same age as Bill and looks an eff of a lot healthier and younger. Bill looks like the damn cryptkeeper.

Posted by: keena at June 07, 2016 12:11 AM (RiTnx)

90 Howdy, Morons. Looks like the eye of the storm should be over Vic and me at around 0800 EST5EDT:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/nrl-tc-pages

Brought to you by low-bandwidth, high-availability webpages almost certainly designed in the 90's.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at June 07, 2016 12:12 AM (jV8Mq)

91 "His snorkel failed?"

He's probably fine (well, not). How do you get a cat to wear a freakin' snorkel?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 07, 2016 12:12 AM (6Ey7x)

92 Gee, Neil deGrasse Tyson not a complete idiot. There's a link at Insty about him criticizing the Left for its anti-vaccination, anti-GMO and junk-science "medicine" stands. So, sorta like Jake Tapper, he's only 95% full of crap I guess.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 07, 2016 12:12 AM (PLnZs)

93 Bill has to deal with Hilary.

Posted by: thathalfrican - keeping people on their toes like they hate sittin' at June 07, 2016 12:13 AM (R5HRU)

94 XX/2: It wasn't Gen. Marshall and I forgot who C Jenner is and clicked the link (argh). I may be quiet for a while.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 07, 2016 12:13 AM (qDy8r)

95 Remember, Trump sided with the tanks in that last picture.

Posted by: stace at June 07, 2016 12:13 AM (ozZau)

96 87 Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 12:11 AM (DMWVF)

Right, pervasive, systemic CONSTANT hectoring into a system that enriches political/ideological allies of the fraudster and places a student into penurious indentured servitude is not actionable...

b/c "lawyers"

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:13 AM (g8Hfr)

97 89 Say what you want about Trumps hair, he's the same age as Bill and looks an eff of a lot healthier and younger. Bill looks like the damn cryptkeeper.
Posted by: keena at June 07, 2016 12:11 AM (RiTnx)

IIRC, there have been many reports about Bill's love of nose candy. That will take a lot out of you.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 12:13 AM (DMWVF)

98 He's probably fine (well, not). How do you get a cat to wear a freakin' snorkel?

Duct tape, but it only works once.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 07, 2016 12:14 AM (T/cxb)

99 77---Pretty much all EULAs are evil.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 12:07 AM
-------------------
I once knew a woman named Eula. Seriously.
And, come to think of it, she was evil.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 07, 2016 12:14 AM (T/5A0)

100 96 87 Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 12:11 AM (DMWVF)

Right, pervasive, systemic CONSTANT hectoring into a system that enriches political/ideological allies of the fraudster and places a student into penurious indentured servitude is not actionable...

b/c "lawyers"
Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:13 AM (g8Hfr)

Hey, I don't make the rules...

Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 12:15 AM (DMWVF)

101 I, for one, will never update to Windows 10. The real evil is in the EULA.
Posted by: cthulhu
--------------

I can't believe that I have devoted myself to fending off Win10 in order to preserve... Win 8.1.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 07, 2016 12:15 AM (9mTYi)

102 The student loan racket is a good 'un, and is an example of govt. meddling distorting economics beyond all reason. Students loans likely wouldn't exist in a real free market. Too risky. Lenders would lose their asses.

So, through lobbying, number 1, student loans can't be discharged in bankruptcy (it can be discharged, but only in very extraordinary circumstances). See, if you're a lender, you get Big Gov to keep the suckers on the hook for life.

Second, it's govt. guaranteed. If the borrower defaults, Uncle Sugar makes up for it. And the same Sallie Mae, et. al racket also gets to be the collection agency for the govt., when the govt. "buys out the bad debt" to make good on that guarantee.

They get all the default fees and collection fees and all that shit. The borrower is on the hook, Uncle Sugar makes them whole, and they get paid for trying to get what they can out of the defaulted borrower. Gov gets principle and interest back, but they jack up the fees, which they get.

They can't lose.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:15 AM (DW+jj)

103 You can buy p**** snorkels at Amazon. Is there anything they don't sell? (besides guns)

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at June 07, 2016 12:16 AM (hVdx9)

104 100 Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 12:15 AM (DMWVF)

Nope the lawless totalitarian oligarchy who fetes felons and attacks decent people does....

often without ANY input from the people's elected legislature....

it's great

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:16 AM (g8Hfr)

105 I can't believe that I have devoted myself to fending off Win10 in order to preserve... Win 8.1.

Come to the green side, get Linux Mint. Then run your windows install in a VM.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 07, 2016 12:16 AM (T/cxb)

106 Bill has to deal with Hilary.
Posted by: thathalfrican
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Yeah, that would age anyone.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 07, 2016 12:16 AM (9mTYi)

107 Aestius, I saw in the D-Day thread your mention of the Air Force Museum's Me-262 before I had to leave for work.

The aircraft at Dayton, OH is a standard Me-262 A-1a fighter or Schwable.

There were only four 262s modified to accept the MK 214A Mauser 50mm cannon in the nose and they were designated Me-262 A-1a/U1. One of them was acquired by Watson's Whizzers for Operation Lusty. This plane was originally named 'Wilma Jeanne' and was piloted from Lechfeld to Melun by Col. Watson himself. From Melun to Cherbourg and now named 'Happy Hunter II', where the plane was supposed to be loaded aboard the escort carrier HMS Reaper for transport to the States, the German test pilot Hoffman had to bail out when one of the Jumo 004B engines developed a severe vibration.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2016 12:17 AM (jFXTk)

108 8 Chelsea is killing him with a Vegan diet, for one thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------

"Hey honey, I'm banging girls younger than you - you ok with that?"

"Sure dad, hey - let me introduce you to this new awesome starvation, er, vegan diet!"

Posted by: Daisy at June 07, 2016 12:17 AM (vaFpc)

109 30 " RIP Kimbo Slice.....

Aged 42"



Passes through. Guy had like 15 minutes 10 years ago.


Big dude. He beat me to death.

Posted by: Weirddave at June 07, 2016 12:17 AM (N8hFs)

110 And I don't think they ever did find out who that tank guy was.

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 07, 2016 12:17 AM (cgeHX)

111 99 77---Pretty much all EULAs are evil.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 12:07 AM
-------------------
I once knew a woman named Eula. Seriously.
And, come to think of it, she was evil.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 07, 2016 12:14 AM (T/5A0)

There you go. Another data point in my favor. That puts me way ahead of the AGW fraudsters.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 12:17 AM (DMWVF)

112 88
Lad and I used to watch the CCU Chanticleers aka "raging Chickens" when we live at the condo in Surfside...

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:11 AM (g8Hfr)
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Fun! They really have a good baseball program.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 07, 2016 12:18 AM (T/5A0)

113 109 Posted by: Weirddave at June 07, 2016 12:17 AM (N8hFs)

Not me!

//G Reaper "the whole pie"

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:18 AM (g8Hfr)

114 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:15 AM (DW+jj)

Yep. That's why I like Instapundit's proposal that if we can't get rid of the industry, universities be required to guarantee student loans.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 12:19 AM (DMWVF)

115 sven killed the thread.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 12:19 AM (qUNWi)

116 85 Can someone unpack for us tards what windows 10 is doing to harm us?

I know it is I just don't know how.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 12:11 AM (qUNWi)



"In order to improve your user experience," it sends a copy of everything you do to Microsoft. The EULA says that Microsoft can monetize any information they collect from you for any reason.



If the EULA said, "Microsoft can use the information they collect from you only in anticipating your desires and to guide product development", they might skate -- but they effectively state that if you use Word to write a patent application, they can run down to the patent office and nab the patent. If you're using their email application to transmit transaction orders to your broker, they can front-run them. If you're accessing websites that discuss The Federalist Papers, they can sell your subversive activities to the IRS.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:19 AM (EzgxV)

117 That Energizer woman is going to kill my husband. I'm Okay with that.

Posted by: Hillary 2016! at June 07, 2016 12:20 AM (gwG9s)

118 107 Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2016 12:17 AM (jFXTk)

I used to spend DAYS arguing with "GERMAN FAN" that the P-80 would have kicked the shit out of the ME-262....

they would not accept:

1) the US would EASILY have had it if needed

2) that yes GermanFan tech specs *are* tech specs.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:20 AM (g8Hfr)

119 115 Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 12:19 AM (qUNWi)

I do that....I'll be crashing soon....

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:20 AM (g8Hfr)

120 Okay, I stuck around a bit.


No. What the fcuk that even mean?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 06, 2016 11:53 PM (6Ey7x)


It's a joke. A play on the old "that would make a good band name" joke.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 07, 2016 12:21 AM (ZMzGL)

121 They get all the default fees and collection fees and all that shit. The
borrower is on the hook, Uncle Sugar makes them whole, and they get
paid for trying to get what they can out of the defaulted borrower. Gov
gets principle and interest back, but they jack up the fees, which they
get.


I've had, for the last two weeks, one of those collection agencies trying to get me to pay up on an $840 student loan balance.

Never mind that I've never had a student loan and it's not on my credit report.

Told 'em to send it to me in writing without confirming the street address.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 07, 2016 12:21 AM (T/cxb)

122 Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2016 12:17 AM (jFXTk)

I thought I had seen one of the modified ones. However, it may have been part of the exhibit, like the plane, a cannon, with a photo of one of the planes fitted with it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 12:22 AM (3ZoRf)

123 THX Cooth.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 12:22 AM (qUNWi)

124 Does Windows 10 broadcast to Microsoft the names of the pornos watched with VLC?

Asking for a friend...

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at June 07, 2016 12:22 AM (jV8Mq)

125 101 I, for one, will never update to Windows 10. The real evil is in the EULA.
Posted by: cthulhu
--------------

I can't believe that I have devoted myself to fending off Win10 in order to preserve... Win 8.1.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 07, 2016 12:15 AM (9mTYi)



I have a couple of those around, just as stopgaps for when I took all my systems offline after Ira tagged me with a keylogger. They're disposable.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:22 AM (EzgxV)

126 122 Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 12:22 AM (3ZoRf)

The one in Dayton had a mock up of the 50mm with a blurb on its deployment....

given they are *all* irreplaceable historic artifacts I am shocked Obama has not ordered the USAF Museum dismantled.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:23 AM (g8Hfr)

127 Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 07, 2016 12:21 AM (T/cxb)

Those agencies are some crooked motherfuckers.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 12:23 AM (DMWVF)

128 107 AP

Re: Dayton (Fairborn) AF museum

Best way to visit is mine:

One close friend is a recognized (published) WWII aircraft expert. Another is former AF intel.

Going through WWII exhibit w/friend one, who points out all the mistakes. Going through modern era exhibit w/friend #2 who sees the little blue plane next to the Stealth and reminisces when that was "black."

Good times.

Posted by: speedster1 at June 07, 2016 12:24 AM (vUcdz)

129 There's a lot of collection agency phone scams running now. I whitelist all phone calls, and one of the scammers left a message for me. They had my name, and said to call them because "the court" was about to enter a judgment against me. So call them can get it straightened out fast, of course.

Obviously bullshit. I also got a message from someone claiming to be the IRS, saying call them and get this straightened out, another obvious scam.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:24 AM (DW+jj)

130 >>Cat's don't like water. They can't dive.


We can too!

Posted by: Toonces at June 07, 2016 12:24 AM (6kxiP)

131 129 There's a lot of collection agency phone scams running now. I whitelist all phone calls, and one of the scammers left a message for me. They had my name, and said to call them because "the court" was about to enter a judgment against me. So call them can get it straightened out fast, of course.

Obviously bullshit. I also got a message from someone claiming to be the IRS, saying call them and get this straightened out, another obvious scam.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:24 AM (DW+jj)

I get those occasionally as well. Like I said, crooked motherfuckers.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 12:25 AM (DMWVF)

132 Those agencies are some crooked motherfuckers.

They don't care who pays, as long as somebody does. Next call gets them referred to my state AG for harassment. Call after that and I start contacting TV station consumer advocates.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 07, 2016 12:25 AM (T/cxb)

133 here we have kids who have been taught literally shit and they are in the hole on average 24,000-60,000 bucks....

and the GOP can't weaponize that?

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:04 AM (g8Hfr)

Hillary could out herself as Satan and the RINO's still wouldn't figure out how to weaponize it.

Posted by: Blano at June 07, 2016 12:25 AM (lbcdD)

134 given they are *all* irreplaceable historic artifacts I am shocked Obama has not ordered the USAF Museum dismantled.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:23 AM (g8Hfr)

I love that museum. My Dad took me when I was a kid (and my scout troop went as well.) I was always impressed by the Valkyrie supersonic bomber test plane. Just impressive.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 12:25 AM (3ZoRf)

135 For Stace and others here's the full context of the Playboy interview...

Once you got to Moscow, how did the negotiations go?
I told them, "Guys, you have a basic problem. Far as real estate is concerned, it's impossible to get title to Russian land, since the government owns it all. What kind of financing are you gonna get on a building where the land is owned by the goddamned motherland?"

They said, "No problem, Mr. Trump. We will work out lease arrangements."

I said, "I want ownership, not leases."

They came up with a solution: "Mr. Trump, we form a committee with ten people, of which seven are Russian and three are your representatives, and all disputes will be resolved in this manner."

I thought to myself, Shit, seven to three--are we dealing in the world of the make-believe here or what?

What were your other impressions of the Soviet Union?
I was very unimpressed. Their system is a disaster. What you will see there soon is a revolution; the signs are all there with the demonstrations and picketing. Russia is out of control and the leadership knows it. That's my problem with Gorbachev. Not a firm enough hand.

You mean firm hand as in China?
When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak... as being spit on by the rest of the world--

Why is Gorbachev not firm enough?
I predict he will be overthrown, because he has shown extraordinary weakness. Suddenly, for the first time ever, there are coal-miner strikes and brush fires everywhere--which will all ultimately lead to a violent revolution. Yet Gorbachev is getting credit for being a wonderful leader--and we should continue giving him credit, because he's destroying the Soviet Union. But his giving an inch is going to end up costing him and all his friends what they most cherish--their jobs.

[Addendum: at the time, pre-internet to all intents and purposes, Gorby was (falsely) being painted by the MSM as a reformer against the hardcore military Commies.]

Posted by: andycanuck at June 07, 2016 12:26 AM (PLnZs)

136 If fired up the old IBM NetVista, XP-Pro. It still works fine. I'm going to buy some RAM and install MINT then Virtual Windows. Didn't know about the VW. But I'm for Anything Not Microsoft. ... Google too.



Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 07, 2016 12:26 AM (qDy8r)

137 The three YP-80As that made it to Europe might have been interesting to compare but then Adolf offed himself and the fat lady sung.

After WWII at Freeman Field, the USAAF did compare the P-80 vs the Me-262 using FE-4012 after Hughes Aircraft rebuilt the plane. When Walter J. Boyne was writing his book on the Me-262 for the Smithsonian all the Freeman Field data had vanished. But in all likelihood the Schwable against the Shooting Star would have seen the German jet with its higher mach limit, leading edge slats, and heavy cannons besting the American fighter.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2016 12:26 AM (jFXTk)

138 128 Posted by: speedster1 at June 07, 2016 12:24 AM (vUcdz)

"artist interpretations"...I am charmed with things like presenting the P-51D as an Ace's plane rather than its own actual colors in war...

but the place started going wobbly on presentation and markings when I was ~8 back in '80 on some things....

Go Skyhawks

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:26 AM (g8Hfr)

139 Heard on the radio last night that 50% of law school graduates cannot find a law job.

Sounds like the basis for a class-action suit.
Posted by: Blanco Basura

Unfortunately that means 50% ARE able to find some kind of law job.

Let them all choke on their diplomas for a while.

Posted by: Blano at June 07, 2016 12:27 AM (lbcdD)

140 Commencement speech:

"Your are about to embark on a great endeavour. You will spend four years and $200,000 learning less knowledge than a had by High School graduate of 1964.

You will be lucky to have a place of your own and will never be much of anything except a bad lay and a pathetic vote.

Good luck."

Posted by: eman at June 07, 2016 12:27 AM (MQEz6)

141 Bill Clinton looks like a cheap zombie from China Zombie -Yes!

Posted by: eman at June 07, 2016 12:28 AM (MQEz6)

142 #137 Chuck Yeager test flew both in Europe and preferred the P-80.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at June 07, 2016 12:29 AM (Kucy5)

143 Woot woot lots o ONT content the problem is it's been femaliEd not good

Posted by: Mis. Hum. at June 07, 2016 12:30 AM (voOPb)

144 137 Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2016 12:26 AM (jFXTk)

1) American Assembly Lines

2) Throttle responsiveness

3) Faster Climb

It'd be tight, by that phase of the war US pilots were on average just better....

I'd go with the P-80 using similar tactics to the P-51 PLUS being able to Boom and Zoom.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:30 AM (g8Hfr)

145 They have to paint the surviving WWII military aircraft in incorrect markings because most were Stateside training planes who then managed to avoid the scrapper's torch.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2016 12:30 AM (jFXTk)

146 138 Sven

Heh.

Friend #1 would go off on the Pacific wing display, something about the colors (green vs orange?).

I'd nod and say. "Okay, sure."

Really great guy, takes it VERY seriously.

Posted by: speedster1 at June 07, 2016 12:31 AM (vUcdz)

147 So, I'm reading the reviews for the pussy snorkel. One guy mentioned it was great when your partner has a hygiene problem. But I doubt that, there's still taste to deal with.

Of course, for those of us at the bottom of the barrel, it's something to think about.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:32 AM (DW+jj)

148 I have heard Insty's proposal before, about universities guaranteeing student loans, and I have some serious misgivings about it.

For starters, if such a plan, universities would instantly drop degrees in the "lower-paying" and/or riskier fields, like history or philosophy or English, and focus more on science and math. Now I'm a science and math guy, but I know that not everyone is cut out for science and math. For those people who are good writers but are terrible at science and math, there would likely be a lot fewer options for them. Probably only the big state schools would offer those.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:32 AM (uAvJJ)

149 I work in the printing industry, which is a kind of manufacturing. I've been doing it for over 20 years.

One of the things we make is scorebooks, for various sports. I don't know who the end users are but I think they are probably used by high schools and colleges. Our wholesale customers who order from us in turn sell them retail.

Last week we got an order for 1200 field hockey scorebooks. The printing is done on a laser printer, but the binding is largely handwork.

I've been banging them out. I've done 500 in the last three days, with 700 more to go. It's like assembly line work, but it's cool. It's not like I have to to do it all day every day. This is an unusually large order.

I imagine them being used in high schools and colleges all over the country. I have pride in my work.

Posted by: rickl at June 07, 2016 12:33 AM (sdi6R)

150 Perhaps we should have a T-33 tangle with one of the new build Me-262s just to see what would happen.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2016 12:33 AM (jFXTk)

151 105 I can't believe that I have devoted myself to fending off Win10 in order to preserve... Win 8.1.

Come to the green side, get Linux Mint. Then run your windows install in a VM.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 07, 2016 12:16 AM (T/cxb)



I'm planning on running the VMs under CentOS, instead of Mint -- Mint is friendly enough to be a user machine. OTOH, I'm extremely intrigued by Qubes. A good proportion of the computers online around Casa de Cthulhu are Raspberry Pis -- some of which are running Raspbian, some Ubuntu, and some Kali.....with several running honeypots.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:34 AM (EzgxV)

152 chem,

How about the market completely govern that. If you can't get funding for the major of your choice, then tough cookies.

Oh, and how about degree inflation? If everybody goes to college, then college is worthless. The only reason everybody wants to go to college is because so few went before that it meant something.

All the student loans have done is drive inflation, both kinds. Tuition, and degree.


Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:35 AM (DW+jj)

153 Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:32 AM (uAvJJ)


So?

The University is not your Mommy.

It is a business.

Posted by: eman at June 07, 2016 12:35 AM (MQEz6)

154 Because SCIENCE! ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/739864655263375361

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/739864800788893697

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/739864947274944514

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/739865123783880705

Posted by: kbdabear at June 07, 2016 12:35 AM (zMaKn)

155 143 Posted by: richard mcenroe at June 07, 2016 12:29 AM (Kucy5)

He would've....

his preferred flying style was well served by the P-80s advantages.

1) better cockpit visibility

2) more nimble throttle response

3) better climbing

Yeager was fond of using his flight envelope to control the encounter through application of speed and climb.

The ME-262 balls out had a slight speed advantage, but you had better "grab and go" from the P-80....

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:35 AM (g8Hfr)

156 "62
On my crappy ghettopcs device, or my home iPad, or my work PC....Why the
fuck does it take so fukin long for the AoS site to load these
days?!?!?!!

Posted by: _ZEKE_ at June 07, 2016 12:05 AM (N8INK)"


It is not the AOS site that takes so long it is the crappy web servers of his advertisers and their buggy and malware infested ads. I installed Ad-blocker not because I mind seeing ads but because the crappy performance of the software in the ads and the lengthy waits while they time out because of the crap servers they run on make the AOS site unusable.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 12:35 AM (QHgTq)

157 158 cj

I fail to see the problem with that.

My daughters are both STEM (not from me - I can barely *spell*'fizzix), I'm a verbal guy.

I love what I do, but frankly, state school is best bet (and I was fortunate enough to attend one of the best).

YMMV

Posted by: speedster1 at June 07, 2016 12:35 AM (vUcdz)

158 145 Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2016 12:30 AM (jFXTk)

Eh...to me the plane's life should be the story....

I'm weird.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:36 AM (g8Hfr)

159 Because SCIENCE! ONT Compliance Pics - 2

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/739865278943776768

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/739865421805981696

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/739865566823976960

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/739865726765387776

Posted by: kbdabear at June 07, 2016 12:37 AM (zMaKn)

160
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:35 AM (DW+jj)

If you are discussing completely privatizing student loans, then I am on board with that. But in that case the risk is being placed on the student, not the university.

Posted by: eman at June 07, 2016 12:35 AM (MQEz6)
Umm wut? I didn't say anything about the university being my "Mommy".

Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:37 AM (uAvJJ)

161 Would it be presumptuous to show up for a blind date with a snorkel in your hand, or would that be seen as a nice compliment?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 07, 2016 12:04 AM (sl+zA)


Don't let it be known you also have a handkerchief permeated with Vick's Vapo-rub too, for just in case.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 07, 2016 12:37 AM (ry34m)

162 157 me

158 = 148

Fat fingers.

NTTAWWT

Posted by: speedster1 at June 07, 2016 12:37 AM (vUcdz)

163 And of course, the academy letting govt come in with that sweet, sweet cash, and becoming govt's bitch because of it. All this mandated Title IX and trans crap and all that. Something that used to be damn serious has become a lefty playground of lunacy.

And education is not a fucking right. If you can get one, great. If not, too bad, so sad.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:37 AM (DW+jj)

164 Heard on the radio last night that 50% of law school graduates cannot find a law job.

Sounds like the basis for a class-action suit.
Posted by: Blanco Basura


If the employment stats being put out by law schools were being put out by anything other than law school, I think they would have been shut down or sued into submission a long time ago.

But, they're law schools--collections of lawyers with connections to a bunch of firms and other lawyers.

So, that's not going to happen.

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 12:38 AM (Q+fXS)

165 124 Does Windows 10 broadcast to Microsoft the names of the pornos watched with VLC?

Asking for a friend...

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at June 07, 2016 12:22 AM (jV8Mq)



You bet your ass. If it didn't yesterday, it'll "recommended update" and do ya tomorrow. EULA says they can.



And, BTW, anyone have one of the Amazon eavesdropping cans?

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:38 AM (EzgxV)

166 I'm planning on running the VMs under CentOS, instead of Mint -- Mint is
friendly enough to be a user machine. OTOH, I'm extremely intrigued by
Qubes. A good proportion of the computers online around Casa de Cthulhu
are Raspberry Pis -- some of which are running Raspbian, some Ubuntu,
and some Kali.....with several running honeypots.


But then you're not the average user.

Haven't tried Qubes myself. CentOS is just RHEL with the serial numbers filed off, so anything that works on one will work on the other.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 07, 2016 12:38 AM (T/cxb)

167 160
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:35 AM (DW+jj)
If you are discussing completely privatizing student loans, then I am on board with that. But in that case the risk is being placed on the student, not the university.

Posted by: eman at June 07, 2016 12:35 AM (MQEz6)
Umm wut? I didn't say anything about the university being my "Mommy".
Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:37 AM (uAvJJ)

Not your Mommy, the student's Mommy.

It is a business. It offers products for a price. If your field is valuable, then good for you. If not, too bad.

Posted by: eman at June 07, 2016 12:40 AM (MQEz6)

168
129 There's a lot of collection agency phone scams running now. I whitelist all phone calls, and one of the scammers left a message for me. They had my name, and said to call them because "the court" was about to enter a judgment against me. So call them can get it straightened out fast, of course.

Obviously bullshit. I also got a message from someone claiming to be the IRS, saying call them and get this straightened out, another obvious scam.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:24 AM (DW+jj)



A lot of folks have gone to whitelisting communications over the last 7.5 years.....I'm sure it's improved the accuracy of pollsters.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:40 AM (EzgxV)

169
My Lord, but the case for bringing back the Clintons is so compelling.

Death Warmed Over 2016!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 07, 2016 12:40 AM (fOgSR)

170 I've got Ad-Block Latitude and NoScript running for the same reason and there were a couple of times in the past two days when it took 30 seconds to load the site contrasted with the usual 5 so I'm guessing there's a particularly brutal ad running on the homepage every now and then.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 07, 2016 12:40 AM (PLnZs)

171 In a free market, both borrower and lender take a risk. Well, hell, the lender has the risk. Interest rate is proportional to that risk, and because of the dynamics, as the likely default rate gets to a certain point, interest rate blows up, and that class of borrower becomes "unlendable", much like "uninsurable".

Student loans would likely fall into this category. For a few, they might exist, but the terms on the borrower would be, well, strict.

And that's the fucking way it should be.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:41 AM (DW+jj)

172 Someone needs to feed Bill a steak. STAT!

Posted by: sinalco at June 07, 2016 12:41 AM (yODqO)

173 *flips through Boyne's book and stumbles across something*

Postwar tests were conducted at Wright Field comparing the performance of the Messerschmitt Me 262 and the Lockheed P-80A. The late Al Boyd ran the test, and the comparison was so favorable to the Me 262 that the results were suppressed. The author found a copy recently. The tests were not combat maneuvers, but comparisons of speed, rates of climb at different altitudes, and turning radius. The Messerschmitt had better speed and acceleration and an equal climb; the P-80 was easier to handle and had far better visibility.

pg. 139. Messerschmitt Me 262: Arrow to the Future. Walter J. Boyne. Smithsonian Institution Press. Washington D.C. 1980.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2016 12:42 AM (jFXTk)

174 Bill Clinton could not survive a hand job.

One tug, ack!! - dead.

Posted by: eman at June 07, 2016 12:42 AM (MQEz6)

175 Does this handkerchief smell like chloroform to you, Kindltot???

Posted by: andycanuck at June 07, 2016 12:42 AM (PLnZs)

176 "I'll be interested to see what the reports were on Slice but I gotta give it up to the man."

WAY back, I was talking to an acquaintance about boxing and martial arts stuff, and he out of the blue grabbed his computer keyboard and said, "Have you seen _this_ guy?" and swiveled the monitor around.

It was a young Slice in one of his first impromptu fights. Shaky hand-shot video. Really just pre-agreed street brawling. No ring, no ref, just who stays down loses.

I watched it through then said to my buddy, "That guy scares the crap out of me."

He just nodded. Complete agreement.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 07, 2016 12:43 AM (noWW6)

177 Posted by: andycanuck at June 07, 2016 12:40 AM (PLnZs)

ok....it wasn't just me then.


Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 12:43 AM (qUNWi)

178 Putting the risk on the university is a wonderful way to stick it up their candied lefty asses. They are the ones benefiting from all this flood of money by the "everyone needs a college education" bleeding heart crap. Make them eat it. If the crap education they give doesn't get Johnny a job, and that money to educate him was wasted, make the damn school eat it.

That's the idea behind it.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:44 AM (DW+jj)

179 Posted by: eman at June 07, 2016 12:40 AM (MQEz6)


All I'm saying is that there will be some unintended undesirable consequences by placing the risk associated with a student loan on the university, as opposed to on the student.


For example, if a student is accepted, racks up loans and does nothing but party in college, why should the university be responsible for that student's poor behavior?

Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:44 AM (uAvJJ)

180 It just occurred to me, after reading Obnoxious A-Hole's comment @156, that I was slamming AoS's team of hamsters @90. Not true! I was referring to the "NRL Tropical Cyclone Page" I linked to and it wasn't necessarily an insult. I'm over-thinking this, so G'night, all. Thanks, Maet, for the thread.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at June 07, 2016 12:44 AM (jV8Mq)

181 "Someone needs to feed Bill a steak. STAT!"

Vegan diet, or anti-HIV meds? My money's on the latter.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 07, 2016 12:44 AM (noWW6)

182 170 I've got Ad-Block Latitude and NoScript running for the same reason and there were a couple of times in the past two days when it took 30 seconds to load the site contrasted with the usual 5 so I'm guessing there's a particularly brutal ad running on the homepage every now and then.
Posted by: andycanuck at June 07, 2016 12:40 AM (PLnZs)


One of the issues with the blog is that every post on the front page gets loaded when you reload page and that includes every single video and image below the fold as well. It's basically like a ginormous Geocities page from the late 90s that's heavy on videos and big images.

Unless you have AoSHQ Prime of course.

Posted by: Maetenloch at June 07, 2016 12:45 AM (pAlYe)

183 We've gotten a couple of phoney Revenue Canada phone calls here too. They probably have them all over the West.

The big pain in the ass here however is Indian call centres phoning for duct-cleaning services. And it's even more of a PITA when your place is all-electric like ours so doesn't have any ducts to clean!

Posted by: andycanuck at June 07, 2016 12:45 AM (PLnZs)

184 Collection agency kept calling
I explained to them who I was and that it was not my account they said pay up.

I forgot about it then I got a letter from another agency and it contained enough information that sent up a red flag.

Come to find out, my info had been hacked from a medical facility and accounts in my name were all over the state. It's been over 2 years and I've got one to go (they're worse than Comcast) and I should be clear.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 07, 2016 12:45 AM (qDy8r)

185 I'm planning on running the VMs under CentOS, instead of Mint -- Mint is friendly enough to be a user machine. OTOH, I'm extremely intrigued by Qubes. A good proportion of the computers online around Casa de Cthulhu are Raspberry Pis -- some of which are running Raspbian, some Ubuntu, and some Kali.....with several running honeypots.
Posted by: cthulhu
------------------

*?*

I think I may have passed my prime where computers are concerned.

*lifts gaze to 80C85 based computer monitoring the water heater*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 07, 2016 12:45 AM (9mTYi)

186 Re #149
I am 100% responsible for those scorebooks, from taking the order, to printing and binding them, to packing and shipping them.

Manufacturing shit is cool. Who knows whose lives each of those individual products will touch?

Posted by: rickl at June 07, 2016 12:46 AM (sdi6R)

187 148 I have heard Insty's proposal before, about universities guaranteeing student loans, and I have some serious misgivings about it.

For starters, if such a plan, universities would instantly drop degrees in the "lower-paying" and/or riskier fields, like history or philosophy or English, and focus more on science and math. Now I'm a science and math guy, but I know that not everyone is cut out for science and math. For those people who are good writers but are terrible at science and math, there would likely be a lot fewer options for them. Probably only the big state schools would offer those.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:32 AM (uAvJJ)



The free market is the most successful and elegant way to align resources to activities. Would you rather these people become great writers and find that all writers make minimum wage? Why would you curse them to graduate into penury?



Now, certainly, there's nothing that says the free market will make everyone feel good about its operations.....it is, in fact, rather brutally honest. But it's honest going in instead of coming out with four years of debt and a useless degree.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:46 AM (EzgxV)

188 179 Posted by: eman at June 07, 2016 12:40 AM (MQEz6)


All I'm saying is that there will be some unintended undesirable consequences by placing the risk associated with a student loan on the university, as opposed to on the student.


For example, if a student is accepted, racks up loans and does nothing but party in college, why should the university be responsible for that student's poor behavior?
Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:44 AM (uAvJJ)

Because they did not do due dilligence and a risk is a risk.

The University can always sell paint for a living if student risk is too scary.

Posted by: eman at June 07, 2016 12:47 AM (MQEz6)

189 Well Sven, win the Mega Millions tomorrow night and restore this plane to actual WWII markings.

http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!spitfirevc/pwsak

It seems the Mustang Mk III with the V-1 kill project has been sold.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2016 12:47 AM (jFXTk)

190
129 There's a lot of collection agency phone scams running now. I whitelist all phone calls, and one of the scammers left a message for me. They had my name, and said to call them because "the court" was about to enter a judgment against me. So call them can get it straightened out fast, of course.


We got a call from the DC area code last week -- we're in Delaware -- from "Such and Such Co." to schedule our "annual flue and vent cleaning".

I replied that I neither had ever heard of them, nor had we ever used them for such cleaning.

"That's because you've never scheduled an appointment with us during the four years we've called you, Mr. Krebs."

"And I'm not scheduling one now," I replied, "and put us on your do not call list." * CLICK *

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 07, 2016 12:47 AM (fOgSR)

191 Free market student loans. Student doesn't party. He has to prove he's making the grade and studying. If he isn't, and his grades go bad, well, he loses the rest of any future funding right then. His loan becomes due and payable right then.

Now, in a proper system, something like that is overseen by the courts, and a bankruptcy would discharge it. Lender would get what he could under that system, but he would lose his ass, likely.

That's why there likely wouldn't be too many student loans in a free market, too damn risky.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:47 AM (DW+jj)

192 But I've got a Tin Membership, Maetenloch!!!

You used me!!! You used me!!!

Posted by: andycanuck at June 07, 2016 12:47 AM (PLnZs)

193 If student loans went away, or were cosigned by Universities themselves, I'd expect the STEM subjects to be hit hardest. Why? Because STEM tends to be much more expensive than a creative writing class, or a history class. You need labs and equipment.

Expect engineering to move back towards an apprenticeship model. Ditto the sciences.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 07, 2016 12:48 AM (ZMzGL)

194 For example, if a student is accepted, racks up loans and does nothing but party in college, why should the university be responsible for that student's poor behavior?
Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:44 AM (uAvJJ)


I am sympathetic to universities attempting to be something more than businesses. They all make the pretense of that. I have more respect for them when they deliver on it.

If a guy is able to pass his classes, stay enrolled, and graduate, while just partying, though--yeah, that should reflect on the university. They should be responsible for it.

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 12:48 AM (Q+fXS)

195 Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:46 AM (EzgxV)

If we're going to go the "free market" route, then student loans should be privatized instead. Which I would favor.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:48 AM (uAvJJ)

196 For example, if a student is accepted, racks up loans and does nothing
but party in college, why should the university be responsible for that
student's poor behavior?


Why should the taxpayer?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 07, 2016 12:48 AM (T/cxb)

197 And, BTW, anyone have one of the Amazon eavesdropping cans?
Posted by: cthulhu
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NOT happening.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 07, 2016 12:49 AM (9mTYi)

198 Nope, here is the Mustang Mk III

http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!mustang-iii/c3sl

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2016 12:49 AM (jFXTk)

199 178 Putting the risk on the university is a wonderful way to stick it up their candied lefty asses. They are the ones benefiting from all this flood of money by the "everyone needs a college education" bleeding heart crap. Make them eat it. If the crap education they give doesn't get Johnny a job, and that money to educate him was wasted, make the damn school eat it.

That's the idea behind it.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:44 AM (DW+jj)




^^^This guy gets it.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:49 AM (EzgxV)

200 Unpopular opinion:

Saying everybody needs to go into STEM has the same problem as saying everybody needs to go to college.

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 12:50 AM (Q+fXS)

201 179 Posted by: eman at June 07, 2016 12:40 AM (MQEz6)


All I'm saying is that there will be some unintended undesirable consequences by placing the risk associated with a student loan on the university, as opposed to on the student.


For example, if a student is accepted, racks up loans and does nothing but party in college, why should the university be responsible for that student's poor behavior?

Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:44 AM (uAvJJ)



Because the university could have -- and should have -- flunked his ass out.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:50 AM (EzgxV)

202 "148
I have heard Insty's proposal before, about universities guaranteeing
student loans, and I have some serious misgivings about it.

For
starters, if such a plan, universities would instantly drop degrees in
the "lower-paying" and/or riskier fields, like history or philosophy or
English, and focus more on science and math. Now I'm a science and math
guy, but I know that not everyone is cut out for science and math. For
those people who are good writers but are terrible at science and math,
there would likely be a lot fewer options for them. Probably only the
big state schools would offer those.


Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:32 AM (uAvJJ)"

As long as the Griggs v.Duke Power decision by the Supreme Court makes it infinitely risky to use competency tests rather than certification a requirement for hiring, there will be degree programs for people who can read and write and have enough common sense and discipline not to take classes that are too hard for them to pass.

On the other hand, look at the Duke 88 who signed the petition demanding that the lacrosse team players be railroaded based on the testimony of a mentally ill, drug addicted murderess. How many of those faculty were from the math and science departments? Any?

It seems to me that state legislatures in red states are more likely to view the faculties of the humanities departments of the state universities as ideological enemies and cut out funding for those departments to save money and to defund leftists who abuse their positions of trust in order to indoctrinate students away from the beliefs that their parents tried to raise them with.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 12:50 AM (QHgTq)

203 Hey everybody.

Jonathan Chait (yeah, true, he's an asshole) weighs in on the anti-Trump rioters in New York mag:

"Anti-Trump Riots and the War Over Liberalism"

http://tinyurl.com/jm2oezx

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 07, 2016 12:51 AM (ntObR)

204 Oh just imagine, you know, the system as it should be. Universities are fully private entities. They say who does and doesn't get in. And if you can get in, and afford it, great. If you party and blow, well, too bad for you. But it's on you.

There no Big Brother controlling everyone's behavior all in exchange for free money.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:51 AM (DW+jj)

205 173 Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2016 12:42 AM (jFXTk)


I grew up at WPAFB, I was lucky enough to volunteer at the US Army Ordnance Museum at APG where Foreign Technology Branch was...

The YP-80 was being pushed by an inferior engine, I can buy the argument the P-80 Prototypes would have been hard pressed, BUT by the P-80A I think they are at worst equal and the P-80c eclipses it.

You have die hard "No no not the N word they just had cool stuff!" types who argue the Scwable would have smoked F-86As....

Yeah "maybe" get the 262 and the 86 below 8,000 feet and MAYBE the Schwable can hang....

thing is how would one force the Saber down to 8,000 feet and not cede sector air superiority?

Also the 262's engines had what a 12-20 hour lifespan between total rebuilds?

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 12:52 AM (g8Hfr)

206 cthulhu: "In order to improve your user experience," it sends a copy of everything you do to Microsoft. The EULA says that Microsoft can monetize any information they collect from you for any reason.....

Not to ignore the good advice about going Linux and all, but...

Somewhere in my bookmarks, I have saved some instructions, pages linked by good folks on here, about turning off all the spyware in Win10. Don't ask me to look it up at the moment, but supposedly so someone said. Assuming those worked, and...

If I don't use their business ware or videoplayer or any other MS software (except Notepad and Calculator), as I've done all along for years, what are the chances of defeating W10 from actually collecting anything from me?

Asking for a friend...!

Posted by: mindful webworker - XP still on the desktop at June 07, 2016 12:52 AM (dDUXP)

207 "I was always impressed by the Valkyrie supersonic bomber test plane."

The XB-70 is just off the hook. That said, now that it's indoors (thank goodness, it was deteriorating badly outdoor), there is an aesthetic problem.

It is so damn big you can't really appreciate it without being able to step back a few hundred feet and walk all the way around, and that's not possible indoors, with smaller aircraft static displays crowding the floor and blocking the view.

Same problem with the colossal B-36. You can only see part of it at any given time from any given angle.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 07, 2016 12:52 AM (noWW6)

208 148---Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:32 AM
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They wouldn't drop all of the non-STEM courses, just the ones that have no market value whatsoever.

What they might do is have tuition paid on a per course basis and charge less for non-lab courses. This makes sense anyway since the college spends less on equipment and facilities for them.

Students could get a BA in English for less than what they would pay for a BS in chemistry. But then, they would expect to make less money from the degree.

I dunno. I just know that the present system is making costs spiral out of control. The universities are cashing in like crazy --- wasting horrific amounts of money on administration and nonsense, while lacking fiscal accountability.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 07, 2016 12:53 AM (T/5A0)

209 Because they did not do due dilligence and a risk is a risk.



The University can always sell paint for a living if student risk is too scary.

Posted by: eman at June 07, 2016 12:47 AM (MQEz6)

You are talking as if the University is actually lending them money. They aren't. Someone else is lending the student money, but the University is on the hook for it anyway.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:53 AM (uAvJJ)

210 The Jumo engineers had an optimistic 50 hours on the 004B but in reality it was closer to 25 hours or less. Thank goodness the design team put the engines in underslung nacelles which made engine replacement easier.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2016 12:54 AM (jFXTk)

211 I've read SLA Marshall's description of Omaha Beach during the first wave on D-Day.

I believe that version, as gripping and tragic as it is, came under some fire later as being impossibly accurate given how few survivors he was able to successfully interview. Since most of those survivors would been fighting well inland, while SLA came along much later.

Still, even 20 percent accurate would ha e been more than I would have been able to survive.

RIP, all brave soldiers, airmen and squids on that day who didn't make it.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 07, 2016 12:54 AM (u/afm)

212 185 I'm planning on running the VMs under CentOS, instead of Mint -- Mint is friendly enough to be a user machine. OTOH, I'm extremely intrigued by Qubes. A good proportion of the computers online around Casa de Cthulhu are Raspberry Pis -- some of which are running Raspbian, some Ubuntu, and some Kali.....with several running honeypots.
Posted by: cthulhu
------------------

*?*

I think I may have passed my prime where computers are concerned.

*lifts gaze to 80C85 based computer monitoring the water heater*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 07, 2016 12:45 AM (9mTYi)



You should upgrade that to a $35 computer the size of a credit card that runs a modern OS -- with a four-core processor and a gig of RAM.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:55 AM (EzgxV)

213
209 Because they did not do due dilligence and a risk is a risk.



The University can always sell paint for a living if student risk is too scary.

Posted by: eman at June 07, 2016 12:47 AM (MQEz6)
You are talking as if the University is actually lending them money. They aren't. Someone else is lending the student money, but the University is on the hook for it anyway.
Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:53 AM (uAvJJ)

When both the student and the teacher share the risk they both have an incentive to do well.

The lender has every right to lean on both of them.

Posted by: eman at June 07, 2016 12:55 AM (MQEz6)

214 There's a lot of collection agency phone scams
running now. I whitelist all phone calls, and one of the scammers left a
message for me. They had my name, and said to call them because "the
court" was about to enter a judgment against me. So call them can get it
straightened out fast, of course.

Obviously bullshit. I also
got a message from someone claiming to be the IRS, saying call them and
get this straightened out, another obvious scam.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:24 AM (DW+jj)


A guy at work said he got one of the IRS scam calls that provided a number to call back, so he started calling it back and just unloading the vilest, most racist insults on the scammer. And not just once, he did it randomly until his phone was blocked.

My idea was to just ask for a call back at the county Sheriff's non-emergency or business line, but that guy has me beat.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 07, 2016 12:55 AM (ry34m)

215 In the old days, hell back in the 70s, you could get a college degree while working at flipping burgers on the side.

If you look at tuition vs inflation, well, it's ridiculous, only medical costs haven risen faster.

I read some economic pooh-pah paper on this. Student loans, the increased demand for edumacation from all the money thrown at it was respsonsible for something like 110% of the increase.

How was it more than 100%. Well, there were other factors than decreased it. So without those, tuition would be about 110% of what it is now. :-)

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:56 AM (DW+jj)

216 Because the university could have -- and should have -- flunked his ass out.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:50 AM (EzgxV)

Even if the student flunks out after one semester, the university is still on the hook for that student's poor behavior even if that student got straight A's in highschool.
It happens all the time, 18-year-olds away from home for the first time cannot handle their new found freedom and spend the entire semester drinking beer at the frat house. Even some straight-A students.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:56 AM (uAvJJ)

217 186 Re #149
I am 100% responsible for those scorebooks, from taking the order, to printing and binding them, to packing and shipping them.

Manufacturing shit is cool. Who knows whose lives each of those individual products will touch?

Posted by: rickl at June 07, 2016 12:46 AM (sdi6R)



At one point in my life, I did some accounting for the official baseball scorebook manufacturer.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:57 AM (EzgxV)

218 Lenders would be quite picky about which schools their borrowers attended, too, of course. A school would have to be certified -- that's part of the due diligence. :-)


Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:57 AM (DW+jj)

219 "200
Unpopular opinion:



Saying everybody needs to go into STEM has the same problem as saying everybody needs to go to college.

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 12:50 AM (Q+fXS)"

I have not seen anybody saying that everybody needs to go into a STEM program. I have seen people saying that there is not much point in people paying enormous amounts of money to get a non-STEM degree.

However, as long as Griggs v.Duke Power is the law of the land, colleges will be the gate keepers to better paying jobs and they will use that position to extract every dime that they can from students and their parents.

European countries can offer free university tuition because they only admit students who test well enough to show that they can handle the work. The United States could probably afford to do the same thing except for the fact that that sort of testing has a disparate impact which makes it politically impossible here.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 12:58 AM (QHgTq)

220 195 Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:46 AM (EzgxV)

If we're going to go the "free market" route, then student loans should be privatized instead. Which I would favor.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:48 AM (uAvJJ)



POTUS Cthulhu -- day one, first hour....

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:59 AM (EzgxV)

221 Even if the student flunks out after one semester, the university is still on the hook for that student's poor behavior even if that student got straight A's in highschool.
It happens all the time, 18-year-olds away from home for the first time cannot handle their new found freedom and spend the entire semester drinking beer at the frat house. Even some straight-A students.
Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:56 AM (uAvJJ)


There was once a solution to that: In loco parentis.

In fact we're slowly headed back in that direction for a few reasons, but God knows what ethical/moral code is going to back it.

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 01:00 AM (Q+fXS)

222 Jimmy Stewart flew a B-36 in the movie Strategic Air Command.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 07, 2016 01:01 AM (IqV8l)

223 If you want to go seriously overkill on Me 262 history, try to purchase J. Richard Smith and Eddie J. Creeks four volume opus on the subject.

Vol 1 -http://preview.tinyurl.com/hmgz52j
Vol 2 -http://preview.tinyurl.com/jcnzvn5
Vol 3 -http://preview.tinyurl.com/hyej3kp
Vol 4 - http://preview.tinyurl.com/zry2fr9

A word of caution if you do try to purchase all four books at the same time, you will reduce your bank account to a smoking crater.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2016 01:01 AM (jFXTk)

224 Casa de Cthulhu are Raspberry Pis -- some of which are running Raspbian,
some Ubuntu, and some Kali.....with several running honeypots.


That makes me hungry.
I'll have another Raspberry Pi, with a scoop of ice cream.


And $35 computer. What/Where
And Amazon listening cans.


Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 07, 2016 01:01 AM (qDy8r)

225 202----It seems to me that state legislatures in red states are more likely to view the faculties of the humanities departments of the state universities as ideological enemies and cut out funding for those departments to save money and to defund leftists who abuse their positions of trust in order to indoctrinate students away from the beliefs that their parents tried to raise them with.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 12:50 AM
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Hah! Not even the reddest of red states has ever dared to rein in leftist indoctrination.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 07, 2016 01:02 AM (T/5A0)

226 You should upgrade that to a $35 computer the size of a credit card that runs a modern OS -- with a four-core processor and a gig of RAM.
Posted by: cthulhu
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Ah. But mine runs for 26 hrs. on 4 AA's, has a display, keyboard, clock, a parallel port (important) and (even more important) an RS-232 port, boots immediately, and has BASIC in ROM. If you're controlling stuff, instead of sending emails, it is perfect.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 07, 2016 01:03 AM (9mTYi)

227 202 "148
I have heard Insty's proposal before, about universities guaranteeing
student loans, and I have some serious misgivings about it.

For
starters, if such a plan, universities would instantly drop degrees in
the "lower-paying" and/or riskier fields, like history or philosophy or
English, and focus more on science and math. Now I'm a science and math
guy, but I know that not everyone is cut out for science and math. For
those people who are good writers but are terrible at science and math,
there would likely be a lot fewer options for them. Probably only the
big state schools would offer those.


Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:32 AM (uAvJJ)"

As long as the Griggs v.Duke Power decision by the Supreme Court makes it infinitely risky to use competency tests rather than certification a requirement for hiring, there will be degree programs for people who can read and write and have enough common sense and discipline not to take classes that are too hard for them to pass.

On the other hand, look at the Duke 88 who signed the petition demanding that the lacrosse team players be railroaded based on the testimony of a mentally ill, drug addicted murderess. How many of those faculty were from the math and science departments? Any?

It seems to me that state legislatures in red states are more likely to view the faculties of the humanities departments of the state universities as ideological enemies and cut out funding for those departments to save money and to defund leftists who abuse their positions of trust in order to indoctrinate students away from the beliefs that their parents tried to raise them with.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 12:50 AM (QHgTq)



Info #1 -- IIRC, Japan recently cut off all government funding for non-technical degrees. If you want one, it's your nickel.



Info #2 -- see "the rise of certificates". You can't get a degree in CCNA, but you can get certificates for it.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 01:03 AM (EzgxV)

228 Well I have to go to bed.

As I said initially, I didn't say I completely opposed Insty's idea, I just think there is a lot of peril to it.

It places a disproportionate amount of risk on the University for student behavior that frankly the University has very little control over.

The University cannot stop 18-year-olds from partying it up off campus. The University cannot force legal adults to attend class.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 01:03 AM (uAvJJ)

229 This was probably shared in another thread here somewhere, but anyhoo...

There's now a Sodastream add-on or appliance or something, that will allow you to turn your water into beer at home.

"End of the pub? Classic Sodastream gadget can now instantly turn water into beer"

http://tinyurl.com/zw7lfw6

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 07, 2016 01:03 AM (ntObR)

230 "Even if the student flunks out after one semester,
the university is still on the hook for that student's poor behavior
even if that student got straight A's in highschool.
It happens all
the time, 18-year-olds away from home for the first time cannot handle
their new found freedom and spend the entire semester drinking beer at
the frat house. Even some straight-A students.


Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:56 AM (uAvJJ)"


Insurance companies deal with that sort of risk all the time. The university can either hire some actuaries to evaluate the risk or they can require students to buy insurance sort of like the way that people with less than 20% equity in their house have to buy mortgage insurance. Tuition loan insurance for freshmen might be considerably more expensive than for upperclassmen.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 01:04 AM (QHgTq)

231 Got lost in a wiki-spiral looking at aircraft. Nuclear powered aircraft seems like a cool idea with some serious downsides.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 07, 2016 01:04 AM (3ZoRf)

232 You should upgrade that to a $35 computer the size of a credit card that runs a modern OS -- with a four-core processor and a gig of RAM.
Posted by: cthulhu


Ooohh...I need one of those. And that AoSHQ Prime deal.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 01:05 AM (qUNWi)

233 Turning water into beer?

Jesus couldn't even do that.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 01:05 AM (qUNWi)

234
There was once a solution to that: In loco parentis.


That doctrine is dead, and good riddance. To the extent that the Title IX craziness is bringing it back, it is a bad idea. Students are legal adults and should be regarded as such.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 01:05 AM (uAvJJ)

235 LOL.

The article of the Neil DeGrasse-Tyson article on how anti-science the left is, as well as the right? His name is William Hicks.

(Remember Bill Hicks the comedian? Funny guy but IMHO another asshole angry atheist leftist as well.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 07, 2016 01:06 AM (ntObR)

236 209----Someone else is lending the student money, but the University is on the hook for it anyway.
Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:53 AM (uAvJJ)
----------------------------
I think something could be worked out where the student and the school share the burden of accountability.

The one thing I think we can all agree on is that the government should get out of the loan-loop altogether.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 07, 2016 01:06 AM (T/5A0)

237 well, good night all
You've given me some things to think about
I do agree that the status quo has to change
but I don't want to unintentionally wreck the academy in the process.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 01:07 AM (uAvJJ)

238
"End of the pub? Classic Sodastream gadget can now instantly turn water into beer"
------------

Nano-brewery?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 07, 2016 01:07 AM (9mTYi)

239 The academy is already wrecked. It's as wrecked as Roxy's rectum. It has been for years. They've totally given up their independence for that sweet govt. cash.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 01:08 AM (DW+jj)

240 "Hah! Not even the reddest of red states has ever dared to rein in leftist indoctrination.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 07, 2016 01:02 AM (T/5A0)"

Not yet.


Are you saying that no politician will ever run on a platform of getting the latest Ward Churchill or Leonard Jeffries fired?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 01:08 AM (QHgTq)

241 Keith Richards just emailed me to say that Bill Clinton has really let himself go.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at June 06, 2016 11:44 PM (nvMvs)


Billy Jeff looks like he just got rejected as an extra in a zombie movie because he didn't look sufficiently lifelike.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 07, 2016 01:09 AM (GSdpU)

242 206 cthulhu: "In order to improve your user experience," it sends a copy of everything you do to Microsoft. The EULA says that Microsoft can monetize any information they collect from you for any reason.....

Not to ignore the good advice about going Linux and all, but...

Somewhere in my bookmarks, I have saved some instructions, pages linked by good folks on here, about turning off all the spyware in Win10. Don't ask me to look it up at the moment, but supposedly so someone said. Assuming those worked, and...

If I don't use their business ware or videoplayer or any other MS software (except Notepad and Calculator), as I've done all along for years, what are the chances of defeating W10 from actually collecting anything from me?

Asking for a friend...!

Posted by: mindful webworker - XP still on the desktop at June 07, 2016 12:52 AM (dDUXP)



It's only as good as the clamor when people figure out what's in their latest update. That's why I say the EULA is the evil part: it says it can use your info for their benefit. They can issue an update at any time and collect more data, or foil the means that people are using to protect their data....and it might be months before people figure out WTF they just did and squawk -- and, then, they can barefaced-lie their way through it.



I should note, BTW, that Google and Apple are just about as bad. Everything you say to Siri goes to Apple HQ for analysis. Google tracks you between platforms to try to assemble a "model of you" that they can manipulate to their hearts' content.....and don't even get me started on Google apps.....

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 01:10 AM (EzgxV)

243 Got lost in a wiki-spiral looking at aircraft. Nuclear powered aircraft seems like a cool idea with some serious downsides.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
-------------

I've visited the abandoned site where Lockheed was working on that. Had to crawl through barbed wire to get in. I just ignored all of the 'Radiation' warning signs. I do seem to be experiencing premature hair loss.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 07, 2016 01:10 AM (9mTYi)

244 I have not seen anybody saying that everybody needs to go into a STEM program. I have seen people saying that there is not much point in people paying enormous amounts of money to get a non-STEM degree.

The arguments I see over this usually aren't that nuanced.

However, as long as Griggs v.Duke Power is the law of the land, colleges will be the gate keepers to better paying jobs and they will use that position to extract every dime that they can from students and their parents.

I agree. I think that's one of the main things hindering educational reform in the U.S.

European countries can offer free university tuition because they only admit students who test well enough to show that they can handle the work. The United States could probably afford to do the same thing except for the fact that that sort of testing has a disparate impact which makes it politically impossible here.

As much as I enjoy ripping on American universities, another reason is that European schools aren't competitive with American ones on a lot of levels. The lack of money shows.

How successful you are in Europe and a lot of the rest of the world is also much more dependent on how much promise you showed as an 18-year old.

I'm not interested in copying an system that promotes that.

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 01:10 AM (Q+fXS)

245
That doctrine is dead, and good riddance. To the
extent that the Title IX craziness is bringing it back, it is a bad
idea. Students are legal adults and should be regarded as such.
Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 01:05 AM (uAvJJ)


Fine. Then they should be allowed to fail like adults.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 07, 2016 01:11 AM (ry34m)

246 I think Bill is going to expire in Oct. to give Hillary a big sympathy vote. She'll make sure he does.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 06, 2016 11:54 PM (DW+jj)


"Get on the cart, Bill!" "But I'm not dead yet."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 07, 2016 01:11 AM (GSdpU)

247 You should upgrade that to a $35 computer the size of a credit card that runs a modern OS -- with a four-core processor and a gig of RAM.
Posted by: cthulhu


Sounds like the Mac Mini. You buy it and add the monitor, keyboard/mouse, etc etc, everything yourself.

http://tinyurl.com/z2bjr5h

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 07, 2016 01:11 AM (ntObR)

248 Private enterprise has a far greater need for STEM grads that English Lit types. Scholarships would take up much of the difference in cost. Also, STEM departments at universities often produce revenue in the form of patent licenses and such.

Posted by: Epobirs at June 07, 2016 01:12 AM (IdCqF)

249
216 Because the university could have -- and should have -- flunked his ass out.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:50 AM (EzgxV)
Even if the student flunks out after one semester, the university is still on the hook for that student's poor behavior even if that student got straight A's in highschool.
It happens all the time, 18-year-olds away from home for the first time cannot handle their new found freedom and spend the entire semester drinking beer at the frat house. Even some straight-A students.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:56 AM (uAvJJ)




Are admissions not competitive? Did the school not have a choice to admit the student? Could the school use exams designed to screen-out potential inebriates?



They can't do one without the other. If they choose people, they need to be smart in how they choose them.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 01:13 AM (EzgxV)

250 13 I think Bill's cigar playing days are over. Low energy, now, it looks
like. His mouth is hanging open a lot, and when you see a man doing
that, he's about gone.


Crocodile Dundee's mate in the second movie had that look about him (mouth open) and when I saw it I thought the same thing -- He looks like he's about to die.

So I looked it up and sure enough, he died a few months after the movie was done.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 07, 2016 01:13 AM (gyKtp)

251 Some brave Morons should recreate the 'bring out your dead' skit with Bill, Hillary!, and Bernie in the staring roles.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 07, 2016 01:13 AM (jFXTk)

252 Chelsea is killing him with a Vegan diet, for one thing.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:00 AM (DW+jj)


Vegans are stringy, and not at all well-marbled.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 07, 2016 01:14 AM (GSdpU)

253 Students are legal adults and should be regarded as such.
Posted by: chemjeff
--------------

Not so long, it wasn't that way.
26th Amendment was a terrible idea.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 07, 2016 01:14 AM (9mTYi)

254 How many of the Horde are in SoCal?

Whoever's here, I'd love if we could produce and film some kick-ass political comedy sketches.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 07, 2016 01:14 AM (ntObR)

255 Info #2 -- see "the rise of certificates". You can't get a degree in CCNA, but you can get certificates for it.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 01:03 AM (EzgxV)


That's a big reason I changed careers less than a year after graduation and went into tech. You do your own studying, take a test, and get a piece of paper that says you know how to do the job. End of. No dog and pony show, no indoctrination, no social justice crap. One day, if we're lucky, that'll be how it's done in every industry and the education-industrial complex will be dismantled.

The "mile wide and an inch deep" philosophy of teaching in the universities does not turn out generalists who you can drop into any situation and figure out the rest as they go along, it turns out people with no useful skills.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 07, 2016 01:15 AM (J+mig)

256 240 ---Are you saying that no politician will ever run on a platform of getting the latest Ward Churchill or Leonard Jeffries fired?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 01:08 AM
--------------------------
Yes. That is exactly what I am saying.

It is true that in rare cases state schools may feel pressured by legislatures or alumni to rectify an isolated mistake. They will occasionally fire a Ward Churchill.

But they will NOT change the environment that allows an ideological fanatic like Churchill to be hired in the first place. They will NOT face the fact that Churchill is only one of hundreds of vermin in the system, that his odious views are routinely taught at state schools.

As for the "not yet," forget it. Things are getting worse, not better, and they will continue to get worse.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 07, 2016 01:17 AM (T/5A0)

257
224 Casa de Cthulhu are Raspberry Pis -- some of which are running Raspbian,
some Ubuntu, and some Kali.....with several running honeypots.

That makes me hungry.
I'll have another Raspberry Pi, with a scoop of ice cream.


And $35 computer. What/Where
And Amazon listening cans.


Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 07, 2016 01:01 AM (qDy8r)


http://www.mcmelectronics.com/content/en-US/raspberry-pi



You actually need some things to get one running -- a power supply ($ and micro-SD card ($4), a USB keyboard and mouse (you may have extras), and an HDMI-compatible display (your TV will work). You don't need a fancy box if it's sitting on wood -- if you want to put it on metal or in a puddle, you'll need something.



I'm not sure what you're asking about Amazon eavesdropping cans.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 01:18 AM (EzgxV)

258 The University cannot stop 18-year-olds from partying it up off campus. The University cannot force legal adults to attend class.
Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 01:03 AM (uAvJJ)


Chemjeff, I'm more sympathic here than I'm coming across, but you're not going to convince me that universities bear no responsibility for whether their students attend class.

If the university is admitting and keeping people who aren't attending class, that reflects on the university.

For most of the history of universities' existence, they had a ready-made solution to that.

If doing away with in loco parentis or simply flunking people out causes a serious problem that they can't fix and that is fundamental to their core mission, then they screwed up by doing away with it.

Maybe if they reinstituted that, students would take their education more seriously.

Maybe?

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 01:20 AM (Q+fXS)

259 Fine. Then they should be allowed to fail like adults.


Posted by: Kindltot at June 07, 2016 01:11 AM (ry34m)


Insulating people from failure creates entitled weenies. A little failure every now and then is necessary to keep your ego in check and teach you humility.

The most essential freedom is the freedom to fail. Failure teaches us, in its roundabout way, how to succeed. Either that, or we get so bad at it that we fail at failing.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 07, 2016 01:21 AM (J+mig)

260 Whoever's here, I'd love if we could produce and film some kick-ass political comedy sketches.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 07, 2016 01:14 AM (ntObR)


Ralph Raico's lecture on Fascism, National Socialism and socialism was blocked as "mature content" on YouTube.

Not a single cuss word in a lecture about political history and political philosophy from a man who grew up in the Bronx, and researched and lived his conclusions, and believed fervently in liberty. But badthought, clearly.

Things like this make me sad.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 07, 2016 01:22 AM (ry34m)

261 "That's why there likely wouldn't be too many student loans in a free market, too damn risky.


Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 12:47 AM (DW+jj)"


Risk is what insurance companies do. Make loans contingent on purchasing student loan insurance just like mortgage companies require mortgage insurance by borrowers with less than 20% equity in their house.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 01:22 AM (QHgTq)

262 Huh....Paul Hogan married that chick in his movie.

/

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 01:23 AM (qUNWi)

263 A kid straight out of high school may not be ready for college. It used to be entirely norm to take a year after HS working to save up money for college and/or attend an in-between school to explore possible majors or fill in gaps.

Posted by: Epobirs at June 07, 2016 01:23 AM (IdCqF)

264 That doctrine is dead, and good riddance. To the
extent that the Title IX craziness is bringing it back, it is a bad
idea. Students are legal adults and should be regarded as such.
Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 01:05 AM (uAvJJ)

Fine. Then they should be allowed to fail like adults.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 07, 2016 01:11 AM (ry34m)



Seriously, if you want people to value their education, don't insist on keeping them around if they're not going to act like it.

That mentality has already screwed up pre-college education.

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 01:24 AM (Q+fXS)

265 253---Not so long, it wasn't that way.
26th Amendment was a terrible idea.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
-------------------------
Idiotic. Utterly idiotic.
But you can't put the sardines back in the can.
(Or is that worms?....Whatever. I used to say tuna fish but i know that's wrong.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 07, 2016 01:25 AM (T/5A0)

266 I'm not sure what you're asking about Amazon eavesdropping cans.

When talking about the EULA's and Google/Microsoft love " anyone have one of the Amazon eavesdropping cans" was mentioned.

Is it something they are doing or a product.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 07, 2016 01:27 AM (qDy8r)

267 262 >> Huh....Paul Hogan married that chick in his movie.

Posted by : eleven

Yep. I think they recently split, though, after a long run.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 07, 2016 01:28 AM (gyKtp)

268 #262

Also, note his age. He was pretty long in the tooth when he became known in the US. I knew of him already because his sketch comedy show from the early 70s used to turn up on a local Los Angeles station, along with other obscurities like 'The Goodies,' made up of the guys who were frequent co-stars with John Cleese and Graham Chapman in the 60s but didn't get recruited for Monty Python.

Posted by: Epobirs at June 07, 2016 01:28 AM (IdCqF)

269 How many of the Horde are in SoCal?

---
me, for one...

in The Valley, like totally!

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 07, 2016 01:28 AM (iRosR)

270 BTW, the Raspberry Pi has a smaller cousin, the "Pi Zero", that's five bucks. I've got one that I'm testing, and it's more limited than it's bigger relative, but I got it to throw a GUI so far [it appears that it can pass through enough power for a keyboard, a mouse, or a wireless network dongle -- but not more than one -- I need to try it with a powered USB hub].

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 01:28 AM (EzgxV)

271 I actually don't really know if it would be possible or not, widespread. But there are things that are uninsurable. The risk cannot be properly measured or it's a losing proposition.

For example consider flood insurance. That is uninsurable all but for Uncle Sugar (or some huge entity like it) being able to absorb the risk. The probability distribution doesn't work out like the normal, oh how does it go, binomial distribution.

With flood insurance, there is no flood, or everybody in a given area floods. So rather than a nice function that works out to be. If the loss is going to $X per case and the risk is p, then the expected payout for the insurer is r*X per individual.

With the flood, that distribution is all lop sided, and you have say, r% of everybody losing, meaning you lose your ass and (1 - r)% of no payout at all.

And then there's the case when r gets so high, that the cost of administering and running the insurance is going to cost the customer more than the loss would in the first place.

Health insurance for routine medical shit is exactly this.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 01:30 AM (DW+jj)

272 It's 2am, the fear has gone
I'm sitting here waiting, the gun's still warm
Maybe my connection is tired of taking chances
Yeah there's a storm on the loose, sirens in my head
Wrapped up in silence, all circuits are dead
Cannot decode... my whole life spins into a frenzy

Help I'm steppin' into the twilight zone
This is a madhouse, feels like being cloned
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far
Help I'm steppin' into the twilight zone
This is a madhouse, feels like being cloned
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far
Soon you will come to know when the bullet hits the bone
Soon you will come to know when the bullet hits the bone

I'm falling down a spiral, destination unknown
Double crossed messenger, all alone
Can't get no connection
Can't get through... where are you

Well the night weighs heavy on his guilty mind
This far from the borderline
When the hit man comes
He knows damn well he has been cheated
And he says...

Help I'm steppin' into the twilight zone
This is a madhouse, feels like being cloned
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far
Help I'm steppin' into the twilight zone
This is a madhouse, feels like being cloned
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far
Soon you will come to know when the bullet hits the bone
Soon you will come to know when the bullet hits the bone

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 07, 2016 01:30 AM (ntObR)

273 The 26th Amendment should only have applied to those actively serving or having served. Meanwhile, the voting age for all others should have been raised to at least 25.

Posted by: Epobirs at June 07, 2016 01:31 AM (IdCqF)

274 "256
240 ---Are you saying that no politician will ever run on a platform of
getting the latest Ward Churchill or Leonard Jeffries fired?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 01:08 AM

--------------------------

Yes. That is exactly what I am saying.



It is true that in rare cases state schools may feel pressured by
legislatures or alumni to rectify an isolated mistake. They will
occasionally fire a Ward Churchill.



But they will NOT change the environment that allows an ideological
fanatic like Churchill to be hired in the first place. They will NOT
face the fact that Churchill is only one of hundreds of vermin in the
system, that his odious views are routinely taught at state schools.



As for the "not yet," forget it. Things are getting worse, not better, and they will continue to get worse.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 07, 2016 01:17 AM (T/5A0)"

I believe that you are wrong to think nobody will ever run on such a platform. If they get elected running on that platform is the question and then there is the question of whether or not they will actually act on the issues they ran on.


Yes, indeed, things are getting worse in the universities, including state universities in red states. That makes them even more attractive political targets.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 01:31 AM (QHgTq)

275 Kindltot, so we ask Ace if we can post it here.

red, cool. Would you be willing to help write and act in some sketches?

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 07, 2016 01:31 AM (ntObR)

276 The 2016 race just got a little more diverse:

https://cthulhuforamerica.com/

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 07, 2016 01:31 AM (gyKtp)

277 Pussy snorkel. Hahhahahahah.

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 07, 2016 01:31 AM (dULJN)

278 For example, if a student is accepted, racks up loans and does nothing but party in college, why should the university be responsible for that student's poor behavior?

Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 12:44 AM (uAvJJ)


Because they didn't make him fly BOAC? (bounced out at Christmas)

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 07, 2016 01:32 AM (GSdpU)

279 toothpaste/tube...

re-assembly is unpossible

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 07, 2016 01:34 AM (iRosR)

280 266 I'm not sure what you're asking about Amazon eavesdropping cans.

When talking about the EULA's and Google/Microsoft love " anyone have one of the Amazon eavesdropping cans" was mentioned.

Is it something they are doing or a product.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 07, 2016 01:27 AM (qDy8r)



Search for "Amazon Echo" -- it's a product.



Then reflect on the fact that -- even when "turned off", it relays everything it can hear in your house to some Amazon datacenter where it is analysed for content. The content might be "patio lights on" or "patio lights off" -- or it could be evidence of badthink. Think it'd take a warrant to access it?

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 01:34 AM (EzgxV)

281 Just back from a relatively short Serious Talk with the spouse. Went well enough, certainly better than many. But, wow, relationshipping can be hard. And we've been at this for over four decades now. Well, practice makes perfeck.

Posted by: mindful webworker - happily married, really!! at June 07, 2016 01:34 AM (dDUXP)

282 Would you be willing to help write and act in some sketches?
---
i have a face made for radio...

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 07, 2016 01:35 AM (iRosR)

283 The big pain in the ass here however is Indian call centres phoning for duct-cleaning services. And it's even more of a PITA when your place is all-electric like ours so doesn't have any ducts to clean!

Posted by: andycanuck at June 07, 2016 12:45 AM (PLnZs)


String 'em on, Andy. "Why, yes, thank you so much for calling. I have here 328 ducks that landed in an oil slick, and boy howdy, are they dirty. Please send somebody out right away!"

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 07, 2016 01:36 AM (GSdpU)

284 AOP, yup.

Then give 'em a far-away nonexistent address...

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 07, 2016 01:37 AM (ntObR)

285 281 Just back from a relatively short Serious Talk with the spouse. Went well enough, certainly better than many. But, wow, relationshipping can be hard. And we've been at this for over four decades now. Well, practice makes perfeck.

Posted by: mindful webworker - happily married, really!! at June 07, 2016 01:34 AM (dDUXP)



Any hints as to content?

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 01:37 AM (EzgxV)

286 "273
The 26th Amendment should only have applied to those actively serving or
having served. Meanwhile, the voting age for all others should have
been raised to at least 25.


Posted by: Epobirs at June 07, 2016 01:31 AM (IdCqF)"

Or we could go full Starship Trooper and limit voting or holding public office to only those who have served and received an honorable discharge. That would be my preference.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 01:38 AM (QHgTq)

287 Search for "Amazon Echo" -- it's a product.



Then reflect on the fact that -- even when "turned off", it relays everything it can hear in your house to some Amazon datacenter where it is analysed for content. The content might be "patio lights on" or "patio lights off" -- or it could be evidence of badthink. Think it'd take a warrant to access it


Or it could hear "pussy snorkel"

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 07, 2016 01:38 AM (dULJN)

288 I believe that you are wrong to think nobody will ever run on such a platform. If they get elected running on that platform is the question and then there is the question of whether or not they will actually act on the issues they ran on.

I don't think they legally could act. And if it was just a case of radical liberalism as opposed to academic fraud, like Churchill, the university faculty would rather commit ritual suicide, Buddhist monk style, than go along with it.

I think it's much more likely universities get hit by state governments going after their endowments, which they can do and which even liberal states have a large incentive to tax.

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 01:38 AM (Q+fXS)

289 Any hints as to content?
---
he was wrong...

again

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 07, 2016 01:39 AM (iRosR)

290 I had one of those scam calls today on the cell; hell, they even left a message. They said the Treasury Dept. is coming to arrest me if I don't give them a call immediately.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 07, 2016 01:40 AM (gyKtp)

291 Oh, another funny scam call. I was calling someone. Now, one of the scammers had called and made a connection right as I picked up and dialed the number. I got the scammer instead of my intended call, but I didn't know. Heard a voice that I didn't recognize. ?? Can I speak to X? Oh, this must be the wrong number.

Confusion on both ends. No, no, this not the wrong number, or you xxxxx, my number. Yes (then I started putting together that he called me). Well, your computer is sending error messages. Who are you? Windows technical support. Fuck you, an obvious scam, I said. Click.

Hell, wit of the stairway, I should have played games with him. It was an Indian (or something) sounding accent.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 01:40 AM (DW+jj)

292 qdpsteve: i'm decent with words though, and have a sick mind, so i'd be happy to help out..

if nothing else, we could have a range day to put holes in paper and come up with ideas.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 07, 2016 01:41 AM (iRosR)

293 I've gotten tons of those "we're coming to arrest/serve/charge you!!!" calls.

I know they're BS because I worked in a bankruptcy law office and learned straight from attorneys, if someone is going to sue you they HAVE to notify you via mail with a summons.

What's frustrating is my mom. She believes every damn word they say, but then she's always been like that when it comes to believing the worst about me. "You've GOT to call them back!!!" I've told her over and over again it's a scam, but then they start up again after a few months and my mom panics again. Sigh. I love her, but some things about her are *so* frustrating.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 07, 2016 01:42 AM (ntObR)

294 red, cool. I'll add you to my cast/crew list. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 07, 2016 01:43 AM (ntObR)

295 Anyone here implementing Z-Wave? What is your experience with it?

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at June 07, 2016 01:44 AM (RVTAG)

296 Now, certainly, there's nothing that says the free market will make everyone feel good about its operations.....it is, in fact, rather brutally honest. But it's honest going in instead of coming out with four years of debt and a useless degree.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 12:46 AM (EzgxV)


The problem is that we are stuck in the mentality that it's either degree = success, or no degree = drudge labor.

We need to reembrace technical associate degrees, apprenticeships, and certificates like they have in tech.

The purpose of a full college degree was to ground people in the broader inheretence of Western Civilization and refine leadership skills of the elite few... something colleges don't do now-a-days.

The thing is, you don't need to go through a traditional 4-year bachlors program to do that. Many community college let you take history and literature classes really cheaply and on your schedule. Heck, better yet just pick up a philosophy book and read it for yourself without being told what you are supposed to think it means.

The only real major benefit of college irrespective of degree is that it is a chance to network and make connections with others (i.e. it's not what you know, but who you know).

Unless you get into a very, very top level college and network like crazy, your best bet is to go to community college and transfer to state college.

Posted by: The Collegiate Hat at June 07, 2016 01:46 AM (vBeA5)

297 Okay I went off and checked on my calculations, intending to go to bed, but of course I just had to make one more stop here at the HQ. Just one last note, both to AD and to AOP: I guess I didn't make myself clear, I am saying that for that student, who partied it up that first semester and failed his classes, even if the university rightfully flunked that student out of school at the end of only one semester, under Insty's proposal, the university would still be responsible for that student's semester's worth of loans. Is that really just? And bringing back in loco parentis *in totality* is just not going to happen. The doctrine of in loco parentis was at a time when students were, in general, not fully cognizant of their rights as adults and would simply accept patronizing paternalism from University admins. Today's students just aren't going to tolerate such a thing.


And it just occurred to me, that everyone has been assuming that universities would respond what we might consider "rationally" to the risk of being responsible for every student's loans and kick out the "underperformers". I think a more likely scenario is a sort of campus socialism, where the achieving students would be subsidizing the slackers by being asked to pay higher tuition in order to cover the loans for the slackers' defaults. So the good students would have to take out *bigger* loans as a penalty.


I think it really is the better solution to privatize the whole thing, without any of the third-party guarantee stuff, whether it be from the government or from the university. That way there are no distorted incentives in either direction, either by universities trying to treat students like children, or by universities simply fleecing students with extra fluff.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 01:46 AM (uAvJJ)

298 "288
I believe that you are wrong to think nobody will ever run on such a
platform. If they get elected running on that platform is the question
and then there is the question of whether or not they will actually act
on the issues they ran on.



I don't think they legally could act. And if it was just a case of
radical liberalism as opposed to academic fraud, like Churchill, the
university faculty would rather commit ritual suicide, Buddhist monk
style, than go along with it.



I think it's much more likely universities get hit by state
governments going after their endowments, which they can do and which
even liberal states have a large incentive to tax.

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 01:38 AM (Q+fXS)"


Why could the state legislature not act on the budget of a state university?

Despite the brave talk of academic freedom, jobs like University Chancellor are great jobs, much sought after and hard to get. Even if somebody resigned their job rather than compromise their left wing principals, they would be easy to replace. As for professors, how many adjuncts and non-tenured assistant professors are there who would walk barefoot over broken glass to replace any professor who resigned?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 01:47 AM (QHgTq)

299 I've visited the abandoned site where Lockheed was working on that. Had to crawl through barbed wire to get in. I just ignored all of the 'Radiation' warning signs. I do seem to be experiencing premature hair loss.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 07, 2016 01:10 AM (9mTYi)


Heh. I remember spelunking in one of the abandoned Studebaker factory buildings in South Bend, Indiana. Fascinating. And some of the floors were none too sound. Can't ever do that trip again. The building has been leveled.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 07, 2016 01:47 AM (GSdpU)

300 That nuclear powered aircraft is buried out at Dugway. Now considering the places you can walk out there - the fact you cant walk there should make you ponder the design.

Posted by: Jean at June 07, 2016 01:47 AM (Doh4+)

301 Now I really am going to bed, I swear

good night all, thanks for the civil discussion

Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 01:49 AM (uAvJJ)

302 288---I think it's much more likely universities get hit by state governments going after their endowments, which they can do and which even liberal states have a large incentive to tax.
Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 01:38 AM (Q+fXS)
----------------------------
Hit them HARD on administrative costs. This will drive the Left crazy because they derive huge benefits from the dozens of diversity officers, etc., etc. But it's something you can sell to the LIVs.

There are some state systems, CA for example, that have more full-time admins than full-time teachers.


Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 07, 2016 01:49 AM (T/5A0)

303 289 Any hints as to content?
---
he was wrong...

again

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 07, 2016 01:39 AM (iRosR)



A day ending with "y".....

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 01:51 AM (EzgxV)

304 Dugway?

wall to wall F-all... and the base area was one large collection of "Evacuation Site this way" signs...

mid-80's, when it was still full of chemical weapons... they even made us change filters in our M-17 masks when we came on base.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 07, 2016 01:52 AM (iRosR)

305 290 I had one of those scam calls today on the cell; hell, they even left a message. They said the Treasury Dept. is coming to arrest me if I don't give them a call immediately.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 07, 2016 01:40 AM (gyKtp)



It's interesting how many scams fail when you reflect on those wise words: "it ain't against the law to not have a phone." Anything not involving process servers is optional.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 01:53 AM (EzgxV)

306 qdpsteve: just add drunkenbastards and org to my nick, with the usual bits fore and aft.

i don't check that addy every single days these days, but i'm trying to get back into the habit.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 07, 2016 01:54 AM (iRosR)

307 Why could the state legislature not act on the budget of a state university?

They certainly could. I'm talking about getting specific professors fired.

Despite the brave talk of academic freedom, jobs like University Chancellor are great jobs, much sought after and hard to get. Even if somebody resigned their job rather than compromise their left wing principals, they would be easy to replace. As for professors, how many adjuncts and non-tenured assistant professors are there who would walk barefoot over broken glass to replace any professor who resigned?

I think university chancellors have become glad handers and administrative flunkies nowadays. They don't add much substance and are easily replaceable. I don't think the profs would resign, which is part of the problem. They would just fight you like a cornered wolverine.

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 01:55 AM (Q+fXS)

308 Chemjeff,

This "socializing" happens with loans (and insurance as well). The risk premium increases based on your risk. You are paying for everyone default risk in your risk class, your risk pool

This is why classification is so important. The low risk can have a lower rate/premium than the high risk. O-care goes in the other direction. It puts the very high risk, uninsurable in the larger risk pool, raising everyone's cost.

So, there would be a risk pool process for potential students. A slacker, based on his previous record (and some other process) would be in a very high risk pool, while the good students would be a lower one.

That's the what it would have to work. Again, free market at work.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 01:57 AM (DW+jj)

309 "I think it really is the better solution to
privatize the whole thing, without any of the third-party guarantee
stuff, whether it be from the government or from the university. That
way there are no distorted incentives in either direction, either by
universities trying to treat students like children, or by universities
simply fleecing students with extra fluff.


Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 01:46 AM (uAvJJ)"

I remember years ago when a court order required the first woman to be admitted to The Citadel. It might have been NPR but some radio program was interviewing students at The Citadel to get their reactions. One of the students said that he had transferred to The Citadel because his first semester in college he had partied and either flunked out or nearly flunked out so he made the mature decision to put himself in an environment that had strict rules and where he would essentially be forced to study instead of party.

Perhaps there would be more of that sort of structured learning environments which, due to their lower rate of partying inspired drop outs, could offer lower tuition.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 01:58 AM (QHgTq)

310 Well, midnight already. Time for bed. Night, all.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 07, 2016 01:58 AM (GSdpU)

311 AOP - Heh. Just before the bulldozers rolled (like the day before) on this place, I just walked in and explored. Place was deserted. Picked up a few nice old castings. Even visited their lab and offices. Pulled some great old documents from the late 1800's from their old files. Broke my heart to see it all go down.

http://tinyurl.com/jaery7l

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 07, 2016 02:00 AM (9mTYi)

312 And I'm sure the slackers would be unlendable/uninsurable (for default insurance, if they went that route). Too high a risk.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 02:00 AM (DW+jj)

313 red, thanks!

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 07, 2016 02:00 AM (ntObR)

314 Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 01:53 AM (EzgxV)

Did you see the link I posted at #276?

SMOD2016 has some competition -- You.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 07, 2016 02:01 AM (gyKtp)

315 in an environment that had strict rules and where he would essentially be forced to study instead of party.

Perhaps
there would be more of that sort of structured learning environments
which, due to their lower rate of partying inspired drop outs, could
offer lower tuition.


Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole

The rules were strict - but dear god when we slipped the noose ....

Posted by: Jean at June 07, 2016 02:01 AM (Doh4+)

316 In some of those ER Tales of the Vagina I was reading about, one poor woman accidentally used toothpaste for lube. It caused a reaction in her vagina, being sensitive to it. Burned like hell.

Hell, a while back, I had some toothpaste burn the hell out of the inside of my mouth. Some sort of reaction to one of the ingredients.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at June 07, 2016 02:02 AM (DW+jj)

317 "I think university chancellors have become glad
handers and administrative flunkies nowadays. They don't add much
substance and are easily replaceable. I don't think the profs would
resign, which is part of the problem. They would just fight you like a
cornered wolverine.

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 01:55 AM (Q+fXS)"

What tools do they have to fight against the legislature? The Legislature can just cut their budget every year by the amount of the salary of the particular professor. Or the budget for his entire department can be cut or transferred either to the engineering school or to a community college to teach welding.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 02:04 AM (QHgTq)

318 Hell, a while back, I had some toothpaste burn the hell out of the inside of my mouth. Some sort of reaction to one of the ingredients.
Posted by: publius
------------

White teeth, though, right?
Bleach.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 07, 2016 02:05 AM (9mTYi)

319 even if the university rightfully flunked that student out of school at the end of only one semester, under Insty's proposal, the university would still be responsible for that student's semester's worth of loans. Is that really just?

Chemjeff, I haven't fully thought through Insty's proposal yet. But I really don't see what's unfair about it. The school had a choice of whether to admit the student or not. Sure, you'll make mistakes as you will with any decision, but 1. they can make a good guess as to how students will do and 2. they have control over the environment the student's studying in.

And bringing back in loco parentis *in totality* is just not going to happen. The doctrine of in loco parentis was at a time when students were, in general, not fully cognizant of their rights as adults and would simply accept patronizing paternalism from University admins. Today's students just aren't going to tolerate such a thing.

I don't think many if not most college students are fully cognizant of their rights or responsibilities as adults and the consequences for all of their actions.

I think today's students are gradually tolerating more and more babying by colleges--though what ethical code it'll ultimately be based on...God knows.

I think a more likely scenario is a sort of campus socialism, where the achieving students would be subsidizing the slackers by being asked to pay higher tuition in order to cover the loans for the slackers' defaults. So the good students would have to take out *bigger* loans as a penalty.

Possible. They could also just to decide to go to a university that fosters a supportive educational environment instead of the one that bilks you.

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 02:06 AM (Q+fXS)

320 Goodnight peon.


Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 02:07 AM (qUNWi)

321 Am reading about the Bre-X fraud back in the 1990s at Wiki.

Anybody else remember it?

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 07, 2016 02:07 AM (ntObR)

322 FWIW, in the last two years, Africana Studies and Women's Studies have been cut from the curriculum at NCSU, by the legislature.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 07, 2016 02:07 AM (9mTYi)

323 FWIW, in the last two years, Africana Studies and Women's Studies have been cut from the curriculum at NCSU, by the legislature.


This is cromulent.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 02:09 AM (qUNWi)

324 cthulhu #285: Any hints as to content?

redc1c4 #289: he was wrong...
again


red: close, but I got off pretty light this time.

Cthu: Well, mr. nosy-nosy - would be hard to summarize, the way conversations can encompass long-standing schemas and threads.

Guess I'd say, 'twas about - trying to be considerate of the wishes of others is fine in and of itself, but not at the expense of figuring out, and sticking to, what we want to do. Something like that.

Ways of listening and being heard in full and acting in unity.

Did I mention the great meatloaf she made today? That was the important part.

Think I'll wrap it up for the night, fellow clowns and mimes. Tomorrow is More of the Same Only Different, and I wouldn't want to miss that!

-=♥=-

Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation. And in that day shall ye say, Praise the Lord, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.

Sing unto the Lord; for he hath done excellent things: this is known in all the earth.

Posted by: mindful webworker - beyond the farthest star at June 07, 2016 02:09 AM (dDUXP)

325 "322
FWIW, in the last two years, Africana Studies and Women's Studies have been cut from the curriculum at NCSU, by the legislature.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 07, 2016 02:07 AM (9mTYi)"


Two questions:

1) Did the faculty fight it like wolverines?

2) Was it politically popular?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 02:10 AM (QHgTq)

326 What tools do they have to fight against the legislature? The Legislature can just cut their budget every year by the amount of the salary of the particular professor. Or the budget for his entire department can be cut or transferred either to the engineering school or to a community college to teach welding.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 02:04 AM (QHgTq)


I didn't think legislatures had authority to cut the budgets of specific departments, but I could be wrong about that.

If you gave them a choice of firing a person or cutting the budget by an amount equal to that person's salary, I don't think there's a chance in hell they ditch him. For starters, if he's tenured they probably aren't legally allowed to. But, even if they were, it's like dealing with a union. As far as they're concerned, if they leave of them out to dry, they're all fucked.

I really think they'd rather just eat the cut and go to the endowment to cover it.

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 02:12 AM (Q+fXS)

327 297 Okay I went off and checked on my calculations, intending to go to bed, but of course I just had to make one more stop here at the HQ. Just one last note, both to AD and to AOP: I guess I didn't make myself clear, I am saying that for that student, who partied it up that first semester and failed his classes, even if the university rightfully flunked that student out of school at the end of only one semester, under Insty's proposal, the university would still be responsible for that student's semester's worth of loans. Is that really just? And bringing back in loco parentis *in totality* is just not going to happen. The doctrine of in loco parentis was at a time when students were, in general, not fully cognizant of their rights as adults and would simply accept patronizing paternalism from University admins. Today's students just aren't going to tolerate such a thing.


And it just occurred to me, that everyone has been assuming that universities would respond what we might consider "rationally" to the risk of being responsible for every student's loans and kick out the "underperformers". I think a more likely scenario is a sort of campus socialism, where the achieving students would be subsidizing the slackers by being asked to pay higher tuition in order to cover the loans for the slackers' defaults. So the good students would have to take out *bigger* loans as a penalty.


I think it really is the better solution to privatize the whole thing, without any of the third-party guarantee stuff, whether it be from the government or from the university. That way there are no distorted incentives in either direction, either by universities trying to treat students like children, or by universities simply fleecing students with extra fluff.

Posted by: chemjeff at June 07, 2016 01:46 AM (uAvJJ)



The better solution for nearly everything is to privatize the whole thing. Under the original Federal scheme, the Federal government did nearly nothing -- Article 1, section 8 of the Constitution spells it out:



The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; --And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.



******************



That's IT. That's, seriously, all there is. EVERYTHING else the Feds do is unconstitutional. There is NO legitimate Federal role in Agriculture, Education, Labor, Commerce, Energy, Transportation, student loans, mortgages, or healthcare; general Federal ownership of State's lands is unconstitutional; national parks, monuments, and reserves are unconstitutional.....and, yet, here we are. There's even the 10th Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."



You'd think it was pretty clear.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 02:14 AM (EzgxV)

328 1) Did the faculty fight it like wolverines?

2) Was it politically popular?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole
--------------

Don't know. I'm sure that there was some squealing. Part of the rationale, however, was that there were few students pursuing those programs.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 07, 2016 02:16 AM (9mTYi)

329 The lonely 10th Amendment ...

Posted by: Jean at June 07, 2016 02:18 AM (Doh4+)

330 314 Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 01:53 AM (EzgxV)

Did you see the link I posted at #276?

SMOD2016 has some competition -- You.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 07, 2016 02:01 AM (gyKtp)



There are always people advocating for my candidacy.....but when push-comes-to-shove, they don't file the paperwork -- which is too bad, because it could easily lead to debilitating insanity among the Federal Elections Commission staffers.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 02:18 AM (EzgxV)

331 "I didn't think legislatures had authority to cut the budgets of specific departments, but I could be wrong about that.



If you gave them a choice of firing a person or cutting the budget
by an amount equal to that person's salary, I don't think there's a
chance in hell they ditch him. For starters, if he's tenured they
probably aren't legally allowed to. But, even if they were, it's like
dealing with a union. As far as they're concerned, if they leave of
them out to dry, they're all fucked.



I really think they'd rather just eat the cut and go to the endowment to cover it.

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 02:12 AM (Q+fXS)"

Unless the state constitution specifies otherwise, I believe that the state legislature can do whatever they want when it comes to funding the state universities. If the faculty wants to hang tough, then I guess next year the budget for the entire department can be cut and either it will be easier for the legislature to balance the budget that year or the community colleges will have a lot more opportunities for young people to become professionally certified welders.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 07, 2016 02:18 AM (QHgTq)

332 FWIW, in the last two years, Africana Studies and Women's Studies have been cut from the curriculum at NCSU, by the legislature.

It looks like it's up and running to me.

http://ids.chass.ncsu.edu/afs/

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 02:19 AM (Q+fXS)

333 Goodnight everybody, thanks for the fun chat tonight.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 07, 2016 02:20 AM (ntObR)

334
It looks like it's up and running to me.

http://ids.chass.ncsu.edu/afs/


This is uncromulent.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 02:20 AM (qUNWi)

335 will be easier for the legislature to balance the budget that year or the community colleges will have a lot more opportunities for young people to become professionally certified welders.

Well then that's part of this disagreement. I was thinking more along the lines of large state universities, not community colleges--though in either case, I don't think they could get rid of somebody with tenure.

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 02:22 AM (Q+fXS)

336 329 The lonely 10th Amendment ...

Posted by: Jean at June 07, 2016 02:18 AM (Doh4+)



Yup. And POTUS Cthulhu's first EO would be: "Anyone drawing a Federal paycheck for any activity not enumerated in Article 1, section 8; other parts of the Constitution; or Amendments thereto -- is hereby terminated and asked to return any prior compensation to the Federal Treasury."

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 02:28 AM (EzgxV)

337 Jeesh, Bill looks like Jared from Silicon Valley when he hadn't slept for a week.

Posted by: Rbastid at June 07, 2016 02:28 AM (XwTyM)

338 On my "better to ask forgiveness than permission" list as POTUS Cthulhu would be bombing Davos -- just seems like a prime opportunity to advance the well-being of mankind.....

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 02:31 AM (EzgxV)

339 Okay, I haven't read all the comments, but has anyone noticed how actually butt-ugly Bruce is dressed as some sort of female form? Those legs look like they are three days dead already. I was completely unaware that taping your junk back made the flesh sag that far. He may think he's a girl, but no girl I know would expose those hams for love or money.

He's just an attention whore.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 07, 2016 02:31 AM (+YMhA)

340 337 Jeesh, Bill looks like Jared from Silicon Valley when he hadn't slept for a week.
Posted by: Rbastid at June 07, 2016 02:28 AM (XwTyM)

This is what comes from selling your soul to the devil. Where do you think Hilary's cough is coming from? Nobody can breathe that much brimstone without hacking up a lung.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 07, 2016 02:33 AM (+YMhA)

341 On my "better to ask forgiveness than permission" list as POTUS Cthulhu would be bombing Davos -- just seems like a prime opportunity to advance the well-being of mankind.....
Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 02:31 AM (EzgxV)


Bombing Switzerland. You are one cold motherf'ker.

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 02:33 AM (Q+fXS)

342 341 On my "better to ask forgiveness than permission" list as POTUS Cthulhu would be bombing Davos -- just seems like a prime opportunity to advance the well-being of mankind.....
Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 02:31 AM (EzgxV)

Bombing Switzerland. You are one cold motherf'ker.

Posted by: AD at June 07, 2016 02:33 AM (Q+fXS)



It's only one event -- and it's not like we'd have to announce it.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 02:36 AM (EzgxV)

343 It's only one event -- and it's not like we'd have to announce it.
Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 02:36 AM (EzgxV)

Feeling frisky tonight, eh?

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 07, 2016 02:40 AM (+YMhA)

344 343 It's only one event -- and it's not like we'd have to announce it.
Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 02:36 AM (EzgxV)

Feeling frisky tonight, eh?

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 07, 2016 02:40 AM (+YMhA)



Must've walked into a door.....

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 02:43 AM (EzgxV)

345 Every door walked out of is a door walked into.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 02:47 AM (qUNWi)

346 It looks like it's up and running to me.

http://ids.chass.ncsu.edu/afs/


That was in 2014.

Then one day, the axe just fell...

See: http://preview.tinyurl.com/gtlq5oa

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 07, 2016 02:47 AM (jO7js)

347 Jane....are you still in one piece?

Jane ?...0ver...

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 02:48 AM (qUNWi)

348 Yikes! 3 a.m.

Out.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 07, 2016 02:49 AM (jO7js)

349
Then one day, the axe just fell...

See: http://preview.tinyurl.com/gtlq5oa


Re-encromulated.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 02:51 AM (qUNWi)

350
Yup. And POTUS Cthulhu's first EO would be: "Anyone drawing a Federal paycheck for any activity not enumerated in Article 1, section 8; other parts of the Constitution; or Amendments thereto -- is hereby terminated and asked to return any prior compensation to the Federal Treasury."
Posted by: cthulhu
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You're just trying to coax me out of the house to go vote this year, aren't you? Tease.

Posted by: Chi at June 07, 2016 02:51 AM (DoY1a)

351 me, myself, I

One of these is a proper noun and therefore capitalized.

Explain yourself English language.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 02:56 AM (qUNWi)

352 350
Yup. And POTUS Cthulhu's first EO would be: "Anyone drawing a Federal paycheck for any activity not enumerated in Article 1, section 8; other parts of the Constitution; or Amendments thereto -- is hereby terminated and asked to return any prior compensation to the Federal Treasury."
Posted by: cthulhu
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You're just trying to coax me out of the house to go vote this year, aren't you? Tease.

Posted by: Chi at June 07, 2016 02:51 AM (DoY1a)




California primary -- POTUS....I voted for Cruz. Let's see what the count looks like tomorrow. I hope Cruz wins -- it'd put constraints on Trump in the general.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 02:56 AM (EzgxV)

353 You know, I am truly frightened of a Trump presidency, but sometimes I get on the bandwagon for a bit, just thinking about how he could just fire 1/2 or more federal employees and close useless agencies and then just walk away.

But of course, he won't, because he wants to be the **best president ever** so he will be swayed by every stupid little thing and freak along the way.

But it's a nice dream, and one I am unwilling to part with, for a little while, at least.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 07, 2016 02:57 AM (+YMhA)

354 Explain yourself English language.
Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 02:56 AM (qUNWi)

Not gonna happen. Cannot be done.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 07, 2016 02:58 AM (+YMhA)

355 351 me, myself, I

One of these is a proper noun and therefore capitalized.

Explain yourself English language.
Posted by: eleven
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Taken as a whole, thy constitute a pretty kickass song from then 80's that most of us here jammed to.
De La Soul for the win.

Posted by: Chi at June 07, 2016 03:00 AM (DoY1a)

356 It's only one event -- and it's not like we'd have to announce it.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 02:36 AM (EzgxV)


How about granting anyAmerican who has ever suffered at the hands of George Soros, his institutions, or the ideologies they promulgate a Letter of Marque and Reprisal against him and his interests?

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 07, 2016 03:04 AM (J+mig)

357 And yes, I am willing to sign up for the first one.

Posted by: Cato, Aspiring Privateer at June 07, 2016 03:05 AM (J+mig)

358 353 You know, I am truly frightened of a Trump presidency, but sometimes I get on the bandwagon for a bit, just thinking about how he could just fire 1/2 or more federal employees and close useless agencies and then just walk away.

But of course, he won't, because he wants to be the **best president ever** so he will be swayed by every stupid little thing and freak along the way.

But it's a nice dream, and one I am unwilling to part with, for a little while, at least.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 07, 2016 02:57 AM (+YMhA)



"Everyone knows about the Great Depression of 1929, but nobody knows about the Depression of 1920. That's because President Harding slashed the Federal budget by roughly half and burned the depression out in about 18 months [ https://mises.org/library/forgotten-depression-1920 ]. By contrast, the government response to the Great Depression attempted to support politically-connected unsustainable enterprises at the cost of redeploying useful assets -- to the effect that the depression was continued until the advent of WWII. Cronyism extended the Depression for a decade.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 03:11 AM (EzgxV)

359 Shit. Even with a computer 100x more powerfully than that which landed us on the moon, complete with spellcheck, I can't write a comprehendible sentence.
Way past bedtime...

Posted by: Chi at June 07, 2016 03:13 AM (DoY1a)

360 How about granting anyAmerican who has ever suffered at the hands of George Soros, his institutions, or the ideologies they promulgate a Letter of Marque and Reprisal against him and his interests?

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party


Ex Post-facto law.

Letters of Marque were actually laws of the seas and interdiction. Hard to connect the two.

Then again, law and standards. For chumming at this point.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 07, 2016 03:13 AM (p2X2f)

361 What's frustrating is my mom. She believes every damn word they say, but then she's always been like that when it comes to believing the worst about me. "You've GOT to call them back!!!" I've told her over and over again it's a scam, but then they start up again after a few months and my mom panics again. Sigh. I love her, but some things about her are *so* frustrating.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 07, 2016 01:42 AM (ntObR)

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Type the number into your browser, up will pop numerous complaints. Show this to your mom.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 07, 2016 03:13 AM (iQIUe)

362 356 It's only one event -- and it's not like we'd have to announce it.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 02:36 AM (EzgxV)


How about granting anyAmerican who has ever suffered at the hands of George Soros, his institutions, or the ideologies they promulgate a Letter of Marque and Reprisal against him and his interests?

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 07, 2016 03:04 AM (J+mig)



Dumbass Congress repealed that. Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. Think about how useful it could be: "make a profit by fucking ISIS -- apply today!!!!"

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 03:14 AM (EzgxV)

363 Every door walked out of is a door walked into.

Especially true in adjoining hotel rooms ...

Posted by: Adriane the Architecture Critic ... at June 07, 2016 03:17 AM (AoK0a)

364 Then again, law and standards. For chumming at this point.


Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 07, 2016 03:13 AM (p2X2f)


Pretty much. This Administration's engaged in enough Ex Post Facto and legal gymnastics that such a simple loosening of the definitions of a Letter of Marque would hardly be unprecedented at all. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 07, 2016 03:17 AM (J+mig)

365 Dumbass Congress repealed that. Stupid, stupid,
stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. Think about how useful it could be:
"make a profit by fucking ISIS -- apply today!!!!"

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 03:14 AM (EzgxV)


Make that a campaign issue. Bring back Letters of Marque, with new legal definitions that have any foreign threat that has done a measurable injury, and its agents being legitimate targets. I'd vote for that.

Of course, every American would qualify for the Soros one, given that we've had to live under laws that his organizations have supported.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 07, 2016 03:20 AM (J+mig)

366 Especially true in adjoining hotel rooms ...
Posted by: Adriane the Architecture Critic
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Heh.
And Jack & Jill bathrooms.

Posted by: Chi at June 07, 2016 03:20 AM (DoY1a)

367 Shit. Even with a computer 100x more powerfully than that which landed us on the moon, complete with spellcheck, I can't write a comprehendible sentence.
Way past bedtime...


100X?

Holy wrong order of magnitude Batman.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 03:21 AM (qUNWi)

368 And yes...i know Chi was joking.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 03:23 AM (qUNWi)

369 This Administration's engaged in enough Ex Post Facto and legal gymnastics that such a simple loosening of the definitions of a Letter of Marque would hardly be unprecedented at all. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party


My slim test is "how could this be applied to me, a bloody Roundhead?" in Latin... which I forgot because I'm studying 13th century Swahili so...


Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 07, 2016 03:24 AM (p2X2f)

370 Yeah, eleven. I knew that was wrong, but was certainly not going to look it up.
You got the point, though.

* leave it up to a Moron to be pedantic and nitpicky about "facts" at 0330...

Posted by: Chi at June 07, 2016 03:24 AM (DoY1a)

371 * leave it up to a Moron to be pedantic and nitpicky about "facts" at 0330...

Posted by: Chi at June 07, 2016 03:24 AM (DoY1a)


For some of us, this is the middle of the afternoon.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 07, 2016 03:26 AM (J+mig)

372 For some of us, this is the middle of the afternoon.

I resemble that remark. How dare you.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 03:27 AM (qUNWi)

373
For some of us, this is the middle of the afternoon.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party
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aussie?
Is that you?

Meh, before I prove even more what a moron (lowercase) I am, I'm gonna watch this old western & crash - Ace High, btw.
Be well, all.

Posted by: Chi at June 07, 2016 03:29 AM (DoY1a)

374 Why isn't "you" a proper noun.

See what I'm sayin?

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 03:29 AM (qUNWi)

375 Like I said before, this place is biased to those that know what the sun is like.
*spit*

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 07, 2016 03:30 AM (p2X2f)

376 Sleep well Chi.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 03:31 AM (qUNWi)

377 Not Aussie, just working the graveyard shift. I switch to afternoons next week, so my commentary on ONTs will go down and my commentary on afternoon threads will probably rise.

Given what I've heard about the daywalkers lately, I'll probably get banned for using my entire vocabulary on someone.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 07, 2016 03:33 AM (J+mig)

378 OK....so I shipped-off the HP printer that was causing me grief.....



We originally bought an 8630. If you leave it for a few weeks, the printhead clogs (this unit has separate printhead/ink tanks). With a clogged printhead, HP decided to swap out the entire printer -- but the supplied replacement printer ships without a printhead. So many 8630 printheads are failing that they can't keep them in stock, so they shipped me an 8710. Complicating everything, there is a "setup" ink pack and "production" ink packs, and the "setup" ink pack localizes you to political zone and time zone. IOW, I cannot initialize an HP printer to work in Nor Cal and expect it to work in England.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 03:41 AM (EzgxV)

379 Soros - what rendition should be about.

Posted by: Jean at June 07, 2016 03:42 AM (Doh4+)

380 379 Soros - what rendition should be about.

Posted by: Jean at June 07, 2016 03:42 AM (Doh4+)




JDAM the venue. Act innocent and classify it for 100 years. The whole damned crew is worse than useless.....and there should be bonus points if it takes out Kerry.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 03:48 AM (EzgxV)

381 Too easy. I want to stand outside some concrete cell in Malaysia where the capo bastard is being beaten to death and listen to him offer billions to a bunch of guys who don't speak any language he does.

Posted by: Jean at June 07, 2016 03:58 AM (Doh4+)

382 Hefner must be ready to kick the bucket soon. Why else would one allow him to live there indefinitely?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 07, 2016 04:02 AM (iQIUe)

383 Hefner and Bill on the same day. Too good to be true.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 04:05 AM (qUNWi)

384 Letters of Marque were outlawed by the Treaty of Paris in 1856.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 04:06 AM (mpXpK)

385 So, for anyone up this late, an artwork -- Temple of Gravity -- that I saw referenced at a Maker Faire. I've actually corresponded with the artist -- he's cool. http://www.zacharycoffin.com/work/temple-of-gravity/



According to the artist, it's sitting by a spa these days. I wish it were nearer to me.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 04:08 AM (EzgxV)

386 Hefner Bill kick off together with a dozen blonds ... the day after Hilary loses to Trump and has to watch Ivana all night on TV

Posted by: Jean at June 07, 2016 04:11 AM (Doh4+)

387 384 Letters of Marque were outlawed by the Treaty of Paris in 1856.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 04:06 AM (mpXpK)



When Things Went Wrong, part CXVIII....

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 04:13 AM (EzgxV)

388 Letters of Marque were outlawed by the Treaty of Paris in 1856.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 04:06 AM (mpXpK)


Easily undone if Congress had a spine...

"If"

Posted by: Letter of Hat and Reprisal at June 07, 2016 04:16 AM (vBeA5)

389 Did the Senate ratify that Treaty?

Posted by: Jean at June 07, 2016 04:17 AM (Doh4+)

390 Night all.

Here is "Smells Like Teen Spirit" as performed by Willie Nelson...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9YQYBfE8E4

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 07, 2016 04:17 AM (vBeA5)

391 Hi-ho, horde.

Nice ONT, Maet. Thanks especially from the Mike Rowe clip. Why can't we run HIM for President?

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 04:17 AM (o4t57)

392 Oh WTG, creep. Typo in the first post. "from" = "for".

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 04:20 AM (o4t57)

393 389
Did the Senate ratify that Treaty?


Posted by: Jean at June 07, 2016 04:17 AM (Doh4+)

No but the US has consistently followed it and have not issued any such letters since 1815.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 04:20 AM (mpXpK)

394 So we 'could' do it, Eric Prince get on the phone.

Posted by: Jean at June 07, 2016 04:22 AM (Doh4+)

395 Why can't we run HIM for President?

Ask Bill Kristol?

Posted by: Jean at June 07, 2016 04:24 AM (Doh4+)

396 and listen to him offer billions to a bunch of guys who don't speak any language he does.

Sadly, people like that all speak the language - Kingratese ...

Posted by: Adriane the Pop Psychology Critic ... at June 07, 2016 04:24 AM (AoK0a)

397 Heff's got the same deal I do...the right to live in the house but not ownership.

Hope it works out better for him than I suspect it's going to work for me.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 04:24 AM (o4t57)

398 And.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z-GwdaKrn8

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 04:25 AM (EzgxV)

399 393 389
Did the Senate ratify that Treaty?


Posted by: Jean at June 07, 2016 04:17 AM (Doh4+)

No but the US has consistently followed it and have not issued any such letters since 1815.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 04:20 AM (mpXpK)




....losers....

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 04:26 AM (EzgxV)

400 It rained here all day yesterday and it looks like more of the same today. I am sick of rain.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 04:31 AM (mpXpK)

401 I updated to Windows 10, voluntarily, in early January.

Seemed OK but I had been of the opinion that having to run shell programs to make the Windows 8.1 piece of shit OS workable was kind of lame.

Got a contract to telecommute working for a software company and Win 10 was just a no-no.

OK, reverted back, got hired on, everything is good to go w/ my VPN and landline telephone setup, yadda, yadda...

I handled some very sensitive T3 Security and Technical Support type customer service calls.

I mean, it took me 8-12 min just to get access to my corporate email via the secure VPN and get my phone set up every day.

I was in the midst of a FUCKING CALL when Windows popped up w/ an update and I X-ed it out and it proceeded to go through the update and restart process ANYWAY!

(Good news on the customer, he kind of knew that my investigation was gonna be bad news before this Windows bullshit started. I got the chance to let him know that his call may be dropped and why and that I'd call him back. It took me 43 min. to STOP the upgrade and get my ass back on line, and an additional 19 to finish up my investigation and give the guy a call back at work. (He was ridiculously cool about it but most others just would not be. At all.)

So, no Microsoft, I did not want Windows 10 on my computer right then and I and my employer had our reasons.

Now, it's fucking personal.

I WILL do the whole registry kick and un-hide hidden files etc., for as LONG AS IT TAKES.

Threaten to make me BUY Windows 10 for my own PC?

Eh, once Windows 10 OS becomes so bog standard for business, that I have to switch, I'll spend the money and buy a new little box that has it pre-loaded from fucking Walmart for $300-$900.

ALSO!

Do not buy a "subscription" to Microsoft Office!

Download that shit!

You can even make them send you a media copy!









Posted by: Deety (Roof Korean) at June 07, 2016 04:34 AM (xPWMR)

402 401 I updated to Windows 10, voluntarily, in early January.

Seemed OK but I had been of the opinion that having to run shell programs to make the Windows 8.1 piece of shit OS workable was kind of lame.

Got a contract to telecommute working for a software company and Win 10 was just a no-no.

OK, reverted back, got hired on, everything is good to go w/ my VPN and landline telephone setup, yadda, yadda...

I handled some very sensitive T3 Security and Technical Support type customer service calls.

I mean, it took me 8-12 min just to get access to my corporate email via the secure VPN and get my phone set up every day.

I was in the midst of a FUCKING CALL when Windows popped up w/ an update and I X-ed it out and it proceeded to go through the update and restart process ANYWAY!

(Good news on the customer, he kind of knew that my investigation was gonna be bad news before this Windows bullshit started. I got the chance to let him know that his call may be dropped and why and that I'd call him back. It took me 43 min. to STOP the upgrade and get my ass back on line, and an additional 19 to finish up my investigation and give the guy a call back at work. (He was ridiculously cool about it but most others just would not be. At all.)

So, no Microsoft, I did not want Windows 10 on my computer right then and I and my employer had our reasons.

Now, it's fucking personal.

I WILL do the whole registry kick and un-hide hidden files etc., for as LONG AS IT TAKES.

Threaten to make me BUY Windows 10 for my own PC?

Eh, once Windows 10 OS becomes so bog standard for business, that I have to switch, I'll spend the money and buy a new little box that has it pre-loaded from fucking Walmart for $300-$900.

ALSO!

Do not buy a "subscription" to Microsoft Office!

Download that shit!

You can even make them send you a media copy!









Posted by: Deety (Roof Korean) at June 07, 2016 04:34 AM (xPWMR)



Probably 80% of people can upgrade to Linux Mint and not even blink. It's super friendly, and handles all Windows files.

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 04:40 AM (EzgxV)

403 Question for you geeks:

Yesterday Kaspersky shot up a notice that I needed to upgrade. OK. Go. It took almost twenty minutes to download the upgrade and than I got a notice that it had not completed because the computer may have a virus. So we'll scan it and then try again, right? Scan reported nothing wrong. Back to the upgrade, which Kaspersky reports as complete when I try to run it. Is there anything to worry about here?

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 04:41 AM (o4t57)

404 Was that Bill Clinton as a extra on TWD?
Good morning horde

Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2016 04:44 AM (3wHFl)

405 No comment -- groove on it or don't -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lHtcAGuc40

Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 04:46 AM (EzgxV)

406 Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 04:46 AM (EzgxV)

Groovin' on the balloons. Nice touch.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 04:49 AM (o4t57)

407 Haven't watched but...
405 + 406 and my mind starts "hearing"..
Groovin',,,, on a Sunday afternoon

Posted by: teej at June 07, 2016 05:02 AM (g/2WM)

408 teej, I hate to break it to you but it's Tuesday.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 05:04 AM (o4t57)

409 "Probably 80% of people can upgrade to Linux Mint and not even blink. It's super friendly, and handles all Windows files."

Eh, I know... Linux!!!

Whatever...

I don't program or game or or web-dev or even do Face-book!

I need to interact with companies that will pay me $$ and use THEIR systems. I want to go along and get along!

Posted by: Deety (Roof Korean) at June 07, 2016 05:04 AM (xPWMR)

410 Yesterday Kaspersky shot up a notice that I needed to upgrade. OK. Go. It took almost twenty minutes to download the upgrade and than I got a notice that it had not completed because the computer may have a virus. So we'll scan it and then try again, right? Scan reported nothing wrong. Back to the upgrade, which Kaspersky reports as complete when I try to run it. Is there anything to worry about here?
Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 04:41 AM (o4t57)


Have you installed it yet?

Posted by: Deety (Roof Korean) at June 07, 2016 05:10 AM (xPWMR)

411 It installs automatically. Says installation was complete, even though it first claimed it was not.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 05:11 AM (o4t57)

412 Yesterday Kaspersky shot up a notice that I needed to upgrade. OK. Go. It took almost twenty minutes to download the upgrade and than I got a notice that it had not completed because the computer may have a virus.

Posted by: Deety (Roof Korean) at June 07, 2016 05:11 AM (xPWMR)

413 Yesterday at at work, a laboratory, logistical challenge trying to bounce around from this timed test to that timed test for the inspectors with coworker gone.
Today will be somewhat the same BUT...
Late yesterday morning I was told I had a package come in, looks like a drum.
Yes!!
Yamaha Stage Custom kick. Been trying to get it, from MF, since first of Feb. Fail.
Thank you Sweetwater!!

Posted by: teej at June 07, 2016 05:12 AM (g/2WM)

414 Posted by: cthulhu at June 07, 2016 04:40 AM (EzgxV)

This.

I have had phenomenally bad luck with linux distros since about the time of Win 3.1 (and yes I was exploring linux for the obvious reasons. I had such great hopes. Dashed of course)

I even tried BUYING a distro (Mandrake I think?) yet none would either finish the install or when installed did not work properly and I could not get it to do so with the hardware I had at the time for unknown reasons.

Then they canceled support for the only Windows that freaking works and doesn't die an instant death if looked at funny.

This now meant war. (BTW, I'm convinced that MS put something on my computer when they did that last upgrade that makes it periodically spin the HD or the DVD/CD drive so that it sounds like an F-4 spooling up for takeoff)

So I went looking once again with little hope of success.

Found Linux mint. Decided I would do a "Live" thingy were it's installed on a memory stick so that no code would be put on my HD. That WORKED!!!!!!

Oh frabjous day, calloo callay! It worked. Herky jerky because of the lag using a memory stick.

So I got cocky and decided to do an install on some larger faster removable media. And that WORKED TOO!!11!!11!!

So now I clone my HD to another HD every month so I have instant access if the HD shits the bed AND I have a full working OS in case the internet goes wonky and won't let me access anything anymore with Win XP. (at the time, some websites were actually telling me to get off their site because my OS was out of date. The freaking nerve of them.

So yes Virginia, there is a Linux that works out of the "box" and it's called Linux Mint.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 07, 2016 05:13 AM (ECJ+C)

415 Heh, old song creeper.
Young Rascals I believe. Maybe the Rascals.
Likely before you were born.

Posted by: teej at June 07, 2016 05:15 AM (g/2WM)

416 You know what I've been thinking about?

Commander Data from Star Trek TNG. Nobody is still here and I've got the insomnia so fuck it.

Why does Data have rank?

Data is a robot so why does he have rank? It doesn't help the Starfleet because he's a robot. Does the army give rank to tanks? Does the ship's computer have rank? If his rank is some whimsical rank like giving dogs rank in the police force why not make him an ensign or some shit?

Data is a robot so the status and increased pay of increased rank does not motivate him in any way to be better. Rank in the military is a motivational tool to make people perform to their best possible ability.

So his rank doesn't help Starfleet, or him in any possible way.

Thirdly, Data is a complete fuckup. He would either be busted down to buck private or kicked out of Starfleet entirely if he was human. Every time some thing affects his neural processor he turns into the most destructive douchebag in the history of Starfleet.

Fourthly ....he's a fucking Lieutenant Commander.

Why would anyone make a robot a Commander? Who would take an order from an unstable robot? This is ridiculous.

At best he should be a Warrant Officer.

Why does Data have his own room? He could go stand in a closet for fucks sake.

He could go stand in Picard's Ready Room in the corner in the dark for all anyone cares.

Why is he even ever off duty? He's the smartest crew member who needs no sleep at all. Why send him to be in a room (with a bed?) for hours for no reason at all?

Why does he have a penis? He has no desires or needs. He also has no sperm. The penis exists basically as a sperm delivery device.

Why does Data have a dick? This makes no sense.

I have some Data issues ok.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 05:17 AM (qUNWi)

417 Having just passed seventy I am grateful beyond words for your assessment of my age.

Gotta admit, I wasn't expecting the Young Rascals reference. You must be older than dirt, too.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 05:18 AM (o4t57)

418 Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 05:17 AM (qUNWi)

Insomnia does strange things to you.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 05:19 AM (o4t57)

419 What are all you people still doing here?

I thought I was raging at the moon.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 05:20 AM (qUNWi)

420 Music, maestro, please.

Shame on the Moon

http://tinyurl.com/h4vfcqq

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 05:22 AM (o4t57)

421 Insomnia does strange things to you.

My point is made.



Stay young inside creeper.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 05:23 AM (qUNWi)

422 Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 05:17 AM (qUNWi)

Damn. That's a question of the ages there.

Never even thought of that before or heard it mentioned.

But you are correct.

Maybe it's to give the humans he deals with the knowledge on where in the chain of command his orders fit.

Like usually if you're given an order countermanding a previous order by someone else, it needs to be by someone of equal or greater rank to be a lawful order. (in practice you just inform the officer of who and what rank gave you the previous order and let them deal with it.)

And you are correct also because Rank is an indicator of experience and skill and in a Robot (cyborg?) experience doesn't count for much unless they do not have an upgrade system and skill can be loaded in as necessary.

Which brings up the question, is Data a Robot or a Cyborg?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 07, 2016 05:24 AM (ECJ+C)

423 I don't like Data, either. Can we talk about Tribbles?

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 05:27 AM (o4t57)

424 Just passed seventy?
Allow me to ease back off your lawn.
Turned 61 a couple of months back.

Posted by: teej at June 07, 2016 05:27 AM (g/2WM)

425 I figure I have thirty years left. Stand back. There's life in the old girl yet.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 05:30 AM (o4t57)

426 Yeah, I don't know how good or not Kaspersky is anymore, but I haven't put ALL of my eggs in ANY basket for a long time.

I still like CCleaner for refreshing weekly showers!

and Malwarebytes if you have reason to purge evil from your system.

I switch back and forth between free AVG and Avira, myself but I don't EVAR enable the "web-aware" tracker shit.

I don't have kids.

I am not a child.

I don't need this!

So, I don't really think it's "my" responsibility to undermine the assumptions that lead to something like Rotherham.

Posted by: Deety (Roof Korean) at June 07, 2016 05:33 AM (xPWMR)

427 Shame on the Moon.
Heck with this neck of the woods.
Think I'll head for Katmandu.
But before I do, might I suggest a utube search for True North - Buy for You the Moon?
And "Waiting for Angels"?
The front man is the front in our 3-piece.

Posted by: teej at June 07, 2016 05:33 AM (g/2WM)

428 Hah! I'm so ancient and crotchety, I nuked my lawn!!!!!

Somehow (I have just a postage stamp sized lawn in front. 8'x60' and a pain in the ass to mow) a bunch of extra dirt got dropped on this lawn at some time. It was all lumpy and no consistent form of grass grew it was a lawn of weeds.

So last month I had the whole thing roto tilled and then the guy scraped off about 6" of dirt so that is was now flat and slope away slightly from the house.

But I still have to do that last 3" of tilling and then fertilizing and then sowing of grass seed.

Meanwhile what I have is 8'x60' of bare dirt.

So get off my dust bowl.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 07, 2016 05:34 AM (ECJ+C)

429 Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 05:30 AM (o4t57)

That's my goal.

After having gone through the retirement blues (for about 3 years) and then being stricken with some sort of malaise that the doctors can't figure out what's wrong but apparently I'm getting a lot better recently (that's after almost 2 years of that), I am taking more of an interest in life again.

I'm going for a full century. Maybe I can get into space finally. Since they can't seem to make a flying car.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 07, 2016 05:37 AM (ECJ+C)

430 Mornin'. Found this an interesting read. 2/3 of the future ZZ Top - Dusty Hill and Frank Beard- once posed as members of a fake "The Zombies" that toured the mid-west USA. And they weren't even the only fake Zombies. The real Zombies had broken up almost 2 years earlier when "Time of the Season" belatedly became a huge US hit, creating a void for a touring act. No signature organ sound since they had no keyboard player, and dudes in cowboy hats playing a British group. Only in the pre-internet days...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/h9whdlm

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 07, 2016 05:41 AM (WlGX+)

431 Morning, Horde.

Posted by: fluffy at June 07, 2016 05:42 AM (2hcmo)

432 I think our numbers right now barely qualifies us as a gang. (weasels)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 07, 2016 05:45 AM (ECJ+C)

433 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 07, 2016 05:37 AM (ECJ+C)

I find myself single (widowed) after forty years of marriage. It fits just fine.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 05:46 AM (o4t57)

434 A gang of weasels > A flock of seagulls.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at June 07, 2016 05:46 AM (WlGX+)

435 lurvs to Bitter Clinger and creeper.

Fellow Insomnians.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 05:48 AM (qUNWi)

436 Deety, thanks for the input. My-son-the-geek likes Kaspersky but also runs CCleaner. Still don't know what to make of Kaspersky's reference to a virus but I'll keep running it daily. It's been bulletproof for seven years.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 05:48 AM (o4t57)

437 Horde of morons.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 05:49 AM (o4t57)

438 We few.

We happy few.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 05:49 AM (qUNWi)

439 Oh, quick tip before Vic launches the news...

If you have a large quantity of leftover beef do not over-feed your dog.

Phew!

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 05:51 AM (o4t57)

440 Holy creps....it's almost 6.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 05:52 AM (qUNWi)

441 Refresh

Posted by: teej at June 07, 2016 05:53 AM (g/2WM)

442 Good Morning Morons. Today is Tuesday, June 07, 2016. On this day in 1965 the Supreme Court of the United States handed down its decision in Griswold v. Connecticut, effectively legalizing the use of contraception by married couples. A stupid law resulted in a stupid case based on a stupid theory of law called penumbras and emanations. Then it was later used as a basis for legalizing abortions. This is probably the stupidest ruling ever made by SCOTUS.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 05:55 AM (mpXpK)

443 The federal bureaucrat who blocked armed law enforcement agents from apprehending a man involved in the San Bernardino terror attack last December, then allegedly lied to investigators about her actions, has been reassigned to another post, but likely won't face further investigation, FoxNews.com has learned.


Nobody is ever punished in the Bama regime for wrong-doing. She hasn't even been disciplined.


http://fxn.ws/25JSLR8

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 05:55 AM (mpXpK)

444 All of the Clinton aides are using the same lawyer so they can get their "stories" straight. Experts say this is a "red flag".


http://fxn.ws/1RVYJkB

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 05:55 AM (mpXpK)

445 Violent protests are hampering the Secret Service. So say the feds. If they would go after George Soros who is funding this shit it would stop.


http://bit.ly/25J4Gv9

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 05:55 AM (mpXpK)

446 Krazy Kommie Bernie is mad at the MFM for pushing Scankles and not him.


http://bit.ly/1XzAsd9

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 05:56 AM (mpXpK)

447 And speaking of the MFM they have declared Scankles the winner by counting super delegates. IOW the DNC is electing her, not the voters.


http://bit.ly/1UDe0vl

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 05:56 AM (mpXpK)

448 But Krazy Kommie Bernie is sexist because he will not roll over and surrender to Scankles.


http://bit.ly/1TSZQE6

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 05:56 AM (mpXpK)

449 Some of these so-called criminals Obama is freeing are not low level drug offenders.


http://bit.ly/1PCfbwm

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 05:57 AM (mpXpK)

450 Commie DeBlasio is making his aides sign confidentiality agreements so they will not testify against him to the feds. Isn't that illegal?



http://bit.ly/1Ycgt2U

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 05:57 AM (mpXpK)

451 BB supports Trump's statement about that La Raza judge.


http://bit.ly/1RVX8vd

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 05:57 AM (mpXpK)

452 Meanwhile Cruz and Kayshit slam Trump for his truthful statement. I can see Kayshit slaming him but Cruz? This is why I was never a real supporter of Cruz.


http://bit.ly/1XyWEUC

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 05:57 AM (mpXpK)

453 Liberal Fox and Friends get an earful from Trump over Trump University questions while not mentioning Scankles phony charity. The same question I hit those liberals with in Charleston who said it was all lies.


http://bit.ly/1Unmbcl

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 05:58 AM (mpXpK)

454 Sometimes miracles do happen. A federal judge has ruled in favor of a Christian Group at NC State who didn't think they needed to get a "permission slip" to speak.


http://dailysign.al/1tdShSm

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 05:58 AM (mpXpK)

455 Democrats want congress to bail out unfunded pension plans of unions. I say tough shit after a federal judge ruled they could not cut benefits to stay solvent. Let them go bankrupt and get nothing instead.


http://dailysign.al/1PCVnZH

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 05:58 AM (mpXpK)

456 CA Democrats want to make Obamacare available to illegals. Remember when they said that would not happen but it seems they lied.


http://fxn.ws/1UmZWDB

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 05:59 AM (mpXpK)

457 Ramirez


http://bit.ly/1WCRUwl


That's it for today folks. Not much out there today.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 05:59 AM (mpXpK)

458 Thanks, Vic. Wasn't as bad as it could've been.

The Clinton sleaze continues to astound.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 06:02 AM (o4t57)

459 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 05:55 AM (mpXpK)

Let's be fair, Vic. It's not just The Occupant's regime that does this.

They've all done this. We just didn't pay as much attention to it before. And of course the acts that they got away with were comparatively minor.

They're Union workers. They can't be fired very easily. They can't be made to do their job without a hassle. They collect their pay no matter what their status is. They have sinecures for life.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 07, 2016 06:03 AM (ECJ+C)

460 Good Morning Everyone. Beautiful Day no matter what,

Cruz slams Trump? Pro Forma. He could just copied katsup's statement and faxed it in.

When it happens still going to be fun watching the Sun dance around this.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Fired from driving the Scooby Van at June 07, 2016 06:04 AM (WVsWD)

461 458 The Clinton sleaze continues to astound.


Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 06:02 AM (o4t57)

Clinton has been a career criminal her entire life. She has the distinction of being the only person who was kicked off the Watergate Committee panel for unethical behavior by a Democrat who was in charge of the panel.

And she should have went to jail with the rest of those Whitewater Criminals but skated out because of Bill and being protected by key members who refused to testify and went to jail to shield her and Bill.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 06:07 AM (mpXpK)

462 Jane?

Where are you?

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 06:10 AM (qUNWi)

463 Intellectual Froglegs is up with an old NYT article from 1966: "Our First Lady is a Congenital Liar."

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 06:10 AM (o4t57)

464 I killed the thread. Again.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Fired from driving the Scooby Van at June 07, 2016 06:11 AM (WVsWD)

465 459 Let's be fair, Vic. It's not just The Occupant's regime that does this.

They've
all done this. We just didn't pay as much attention to it before. And
of course the acts that they got away with were comparatively minor.

They're
Union workers. They can't be fired very easily. They can't be made to
do their job without a hassle. They collect their pay no matter what
their status is. They have sinecures for life.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 07, 2016 06:03 AM (ECJ+C)

I am being more than fair. They certainly can be fired and prosecuted. If we had an opposition Party they would have been.

And this has been the most corrupt regime I have seen in my entire life. And I go all the way back to Truman.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 06:11 AM (mpXpK)

466 464
I killed the thread. Again.





Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Fired from driving the Scooby Van at June 07, 2016 06:11 AM (WVsWD)
I think it went on hold for a while when I tried to copy that NYT headline in bold. Close call with the barrel.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 06:12 AM (o4t57)

467 Whose woods these are I think I know...
I'll have the Japanese boy, to go.

Posted by: Harry Reid at June 07, 2016 06:14 AM (6a1ih)

468 Vic, I see VC's point. I go all the way back to the days of "featherbedding" on the railroads. This is nothing new.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 06:15 AM (o4t57)

469 Only one way to fix everything and for everyone to be made happy. LET GOVERNMENT DO IT'S JOB FOR ONCE!

Posted by: Kitty Devondehaven-Shapiro -- BERNIE IN 16! at June 07, 2016 06:15 AM (bGLSw)

470 GRrrr..."BC's" point.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 06:16 AM (o4t57)

471 Oh hello, Kitty. You must be Mary Cloggenstien's cousin.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 06:17 AM (o4t57)

472 468
Vic, I see VC's point. I go all the way back to the days of "featherbedding" on the railroads. This is nothing new.


Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 06:15 AM (o4t57)

Featherbedding has always been a practice of the unions and is not illegal per se. What these Obamanites are doing is corruption at its worst. And it started as soon as that crooked Holder was appointed to office.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 06:17 AM (mpXpK)

473 I go all the way back to the days of "featherbedding" on the railroads. This is nothing new.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 06:15 AM (o4t57)

I'm no spring chicken myself but this is a new one to me. Then again I'm so close close to being a Luddite.

What the heck is "feather bedding"???

Hmmm..............????
Hmmmm.............??????

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Fired from driving the Scooby Van at June 07, 2016 06:19 AM (WVsWD)

474 Featherbedding is hiring unneeded workers just to increase jobs for union members.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 06:20 AM (mpXpK)

475 No, Mary secretly hates Jews. Most of us do. I just married Wendy for her money.

Posted by: Kitty Devondehaven-Shapiro -- BERNIE IN 16! at June 07, 2016 06:21 AM (bGLSw)

476 The doubles strike again!

"close close"

If I only had a brain. I am in no danger of being eaten by zombies.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Fired from driving the Scooby Van at June 07, 2016 06:21 AM (WVsWD)

477 And BTW, the days of featherbedding are not over.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 06:21 AM (mpXpK)

478 Yay VNN!
Thanks Vic.

Posted by: @votermom at June 07, 2016 06:22 AM (7lVbc)

479 Damn, it looks like the big yellow ball is trying to come out!

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 06:23 AM (mpXpK)

480 Well, you'll get no argument from me that it's worse now that it's ever been.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 06:23 AM (o4t57)

481 Tuesday is here and it's gorgeous, albeit a bit chilly. Tow just went up with a green barge. First green one I've ever seen.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 06:24 AM (o4t57)

482 Damn, it looks like the big yellow ball is trying to come out!

I hate that thing. Too hot.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 06:26 AM (qUNWi)

483 Proves your never too old to learn. I had never heard of the concept before. Now I need to find a way to work this word into a conversation today.

Just to confuse the heck out of my Wife.

Hehe.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Fired from driving the Scooby Van at June 07, 2016 06:29 AM (WVsWD)

484 On my blog today I blurb the upcoming Clinton tell all book
Link in nic

Posted by: @votermom at June 07, 2016 06:30 AM (7lVbc)

485 Looking forward to that one, votermom. I'll even pay for it.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 06:34 AM (o4t57)

486 It is funny and ironic that the Donks run their primaries similar to elections in the former Soviet Union.

It is also funny that Bernie, who honeymooned there many years ago, doesn't seem to understand how things work.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 07, 2016 06:39 AM (1ijHg)

487 Do you see all that is problematic about this 'X-Men: Apocalypse' movie poster? No? Well that's because you're man-seeing it with your sexist man-eyes.

We all joke about what jobs would be available to a feminist studies major? (except professor of feminist studies). But if movie iconography like this spark outrage, it'll open up exciting opportunities for SJW grads. Studios will hire teams of them to review all of their products in order to vet them as being SJW pure. Their particular expertise will find a market.

Posted by: Harry Reid at June 07, 2016 06:39 AM (6a1ih)

488 This is why I was never a real supporter of Cruz.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 05:57 AM (mpXpK)

Cruz has horrible political instincts. It's why if he had won the nomination, Hillary would have destroyed him.

I think we need a decimation law to Federal departments. Excluding the military, one cabinet level department must be selected every eight years for decimation. One out of every ten employees from top to bottom is selected at random and fired. No benefits or pension for any of the terminated and a 10% pay cut for the rest.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at June 07, 2016 06:47 AM (Ee2nz)

489 487 Do you see all that is problematic about this 'X-Men: Apocalypse' movie poster? No? Well that's because you're man-seeing it with your sexist man-eyes.

Posted by: @votermom at June 07, 2016 06:48 AM (7lVbc)

490 Oops posted too soon

I was going to say, saw a tweet where someone photoshopped a MAGA hat on Mystique and said "fixed now"

I laughed coz true

Posted by: @votermom at June 07, 2016 06:50 AM (7lVbc)

491 Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at June 07, 2016 06:47 AM (Ee2nz)

You're talking financial decimation. I want real decimation of the Federal workforce, staring with the IRS.

Posted by: RickZ at June 07, 2016 06:50 AM (KH0pf)

492 >>>>Commie DeBlasio is making his aides sign confidentiality agreements so
they will not testify against him to the feds. Isn't that illegal?
.
.
.
.
.Having them sign is not illegal, but it won't matter if they are contacted by the FBI about the investigation.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 07, 2016 06:50 AM (iONHu)

493 Posted by: Harry Reid at June 07, 2016 06:39 AM (6a1ih)

Aka Soviet political officers.

Posted by: @votermom at June 07, 2016 06:51 AM (7lVbc)

494 I would like to say that the phrase that "life is more fun when you take off your clothes with whoever you want" (from the thread below) is utter garbage. Sounds like a great way to get the latest STD coming down the pike as well as some of the old ones. And men generally have more sexual relations than women do, but that may be changing.At any rate, I don't think the psychology has changed that much-Women tend to develop romantic feelings with men they have sex with. The culture may say, "You should have lots of sex with lots of different people-that it's a fun, basically uncomplicated way of living". if you're develop0ing strong feelings towards men you have sex with, gals. you're in for a world of hurt when your lover goes on to the next gal. That's when you get situations like Mattress Girl who acted insanely because she felt rejected.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2016 06:51 AM (rmw+9)

495 494 very true FS

Saw a Dalrymple quote something like - all animals have sex,only humans makes love

Posted by: @votermom at June 07, 2016 06:53 AM (7lVbc)

496 G'morning, all.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 07, 2016 06:53 AM (ptqRm)

497
I would like to say that the phrase that "life is more fun when you take off your clothes with whoever you want" (from the thread below) is utter garbage.


Not to debate the morality of it, but it would certainly make me a little happier.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 07, 2016 06:54 AM (X6fMO)

498 485 Looking forward to that one, votermom. I'll even pay for it.
Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 06:34 AM (o4t57)


I just checked my library - they don't have it pre ordered yet.

Posted by: @votermom at June 07, 2016 06:56 AM (7lVbc)

499 Promiscuity is hazardous to your physical, mental, and financial health.

We should have a surgeon general's warning like that on stuff.

Posted by: @votermom at June 07, 2016 06:58 AM (7lVbc)

500 #416

You know, about half of those questions were answered in the first episode and most of the rest in the first season.

Posted by: Epobirs at June 07, 2016 06:59 AM (IdCqF)

501 I'll make a generalization here. Some married women tend not to have sex for two reasons. Well, three I guess. They're angry about something or it's t's painful because heir hormonal levels has dropped as they age and so they are not lubricated enough, or they feel unattractive In these cases, counseling or medical attention would be helpful.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2016 07:03 AM (rmw+9)

502 Krazy Kommie Bernie is mad at the MFM for pushing Scankles and not him.

--

Suck it up, buttercup. He ought to be a Republican and see what that feels like with respect to treatment from the MFM.

Mornin', Horde.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun! at June 07, 2016 07:03 AM (+FSld)

503 Officer Goodson, the Driver of the police van during the Freddy Gray arrest has chosen a Bench Trial yesterday.

If the State fails to make a case for conviction again, this might finish off the career of Marilyn Mosby, State Prosecutor.


One can hope.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 07, 2016 07:08 AM (ptqRm)

504 Welcome back Vic .

Posted by: JT at June 07, 2016 07:14 AM (mh8xX)

505 500 #416

You know, about half of those questions were answered in the first episode and most of the rest in the first season.

Posted by: Epobirs at June 07, 2016 06:59 AM (IdCqF)

Plus it was hard to read the rest of the comment after the statement that rank was about motivation instead of actually being about chain of command. Anyways, eleven seems not to have watched the show which dealt with most of those questions or assumed you were smart enough to answer the obvious ones for yourself.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at June 07, 2016 07:16 AM (Ee2nz)

506 Bill Clinton looks drained.
Monica Lewinskiy looks full.

Posted by: CrustyB at June 07, 2016 07:17 AM (Hnglq)

507 504
Welcome back Vic .

Posted by: JT at June 07, 2016 07:14 AM (mh8xX)

I was here yesterday???

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 07:17 AM (mpXpK)

508 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2016 07:03 AM (rmw+9)

For the unattractive reason, the problem husbands have with that one is that, unless she has ballooned up to elephant size, we're pretty forgiving. We usually aren't looking too hot ourselves. Plus we tend to see the way the wife used to look.

Don't turn into a land whale and have some enthusiasm and we're happy.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at June 07, 2016 07:22 AM (Ee2nz)

509 I was here yesterday???

Well, if you don't remember how can you expect the rest of us to do so?

Posted by: Grey Fox at June 07, 2016 07:22 AM (bZ7mE)

510 Feel the Barn, feel it comrades!

//Mr. Ed waving a red flag

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 07:22 AM (g8Hfr)

511 507 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 07:17 AM (mpXpK)

But were you here 7 hours ago?

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 07:23 AM (g8Hfr)

512 Huzzah!

VNN. Thank you Vic. Much appreciated.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 07, 2016 07:24 AM (u82oZ)

513 so last night Grin Breck endorsed Hillary Clinton...

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 07:25 AM (g8Hfr)

514 501 I'll make a generalization here. Some married women tend not to have sex for two reasons. Well, three I guess. They're angry about something or it's t's painful because heir hormonal levels has dropped as they age and so they are not lubricated enough, or they feel unattractive In these cases, counseling or medical attention would be helpful.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2016 07:03 AM (rmw+9)

Fourth reason: they're cheating on their husbands.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 07:26 AM (DMWVF)

515 I was here yesterday but didn't have any news links. Slept too late.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 07:28 AM (mpXpK)

516 90% of sex is attitude.

That is a scientifically verified number.

Ignore how round it is.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 07:29 AM (qUNWi)

517 506 Posted by: CrustyB at June 07, 2016 07:17 AM (Hnglq)

so you're saying Monica sucks harder than the Salt Monster in ST-TOS?

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 07:31 AM (g8Hfr)

518 so last night Grin Breck endorsed Hillary Clinton...

Seriously?


wow....that crying lunatic is officially dead to me. Not that I ever thought he was anything to begin with.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 07:32 AM (qUNWi)

519 so last night Grin Breck endorsed Hillary Clinton...

Posted by: sven10077 at June 07, 2016 07:25 AM (g8Hfr)

Really?!?

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at June 07, 2016 07:33 AM (Ee2nz)

520 Its about time for MH to post his links.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 07:34 AM (mpXpK)

521 But were you here 7 hours ago?

Vic doesn't sleep. He waits.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 07:35 AM (qUNWi)

522 g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 07, 2016 07:39 AM (ZQfW9)

523 BTW....if any of you missed the Mike Rowe commencement speech at the top please check it out.

It's really good.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 07:39 AM (qUNWi)

524 521 But were you here 7 hours ago?

Vic doesn't sleep. He waits.
Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 07:35 AM (qUNWi)

Vic is actually Chuck Norris?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 07, 2016 07:40 AM (DMWVF)

525 Grin is way over the top #Nevertrump to the point he'd endorse Stalin over Trump.

Did he explicitly say "I'm endorsing Hillary Clinton" no. He did make it very clear that under no circumstances would be vote for Trump, maybe Grin can be Bill Kristol's next candidate.

Posted by: Sven10077 at June 07, 2016 07:41 AM (vVRlw)

526 g'mornin', 'rons

hola.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 07:41 AM (qUNWi)

527 Vic isn't like Chuck Norris.

Chuck Norris is like Vic.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2016 07:42 AM (qUNWi)

528 "Vic is actually Chuck Norris?"

No, but Chuck sends Vic a card every third Sunday in June.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 07, 2016 07:43 AM (ptqRm)

529 Morning all

Voted.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 07, 2016 07:43 AM (zp+j1)

530 "Voted."

Same here

Posted by: The Dead at June 07, 2016 07:45 AM (ptqRm)

531 dump

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 07, 2016 07:45 AM (mpXpK)

532
I'm probably going to get willowed, but fuck it.

I mentioned I was watching Cleopatra on TCM Sunday night. Elizabeth Taylor was criticized for not having the right sort of voice for the character of the Queen of the Nile, and in general, I agree. But there is one lovely bit where, as she's being escorted out of her first meeting with Caesar, she turns to the Roman guards around her and says, "The corridors are dark, gentlemen. But you mustn't be afraid. . .I am with you." Her voice is so soft and seductive, it makes my heart melt every time and I always cry because she was so beautiful.

Go to the 5.00 minute mark here and see it:

https://goo.gl/3IXbEO

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 07, 2016 07:47 AM (X6fMO)

533 I see that national gun sales set records for the thirteenth straight month.



Wonder what people are planning for.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 07, 2016 07:47 AM (ptqRm)

534 Thanks for the re-post MP3. She positively purred.

Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2016 07:58 AM (o4t57)

535 "513 so last night Grin Breck endorsed Hillary Clinton... "

The corrupt old bitch richly deserved it.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 07, 2016 08:13 AM (lMxkC)

536 513 so last night Grin Breck endorsed Hillary Clinton...

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You have got to be kidding.

The Johnsoning of Glen Beck is complete. Stupid fuck.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 09, 2016 01:12 AM (sl+zA)

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