Mid-Morning Open Thread [CBD]

Lascaux2 horse.jpg

Upper Paleolithic Painting of a Horse
Lascaux, France

Is this art? Or is the painting below the break, art?

Yves Klein blue.jpg

Blue
Yves Klein

Posted by: Open Blogger at 10:02 AM




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1 Nice art

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 12, 2016 10:00 AM (ptqRm)

2 The Horse cave painting is art, the blue square is a smart dude suckering Manhattan art gallery patrons or something.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2016 10:01 AM (NOIQH)

3 That's not art, it's a color swatch.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2016 10:01 AM (0mRoj)

4 I call this "Shetland Pony with Goiter".

Posted by: Fred Flintstone at May 12, 2016 10:02 AM (NSb9d)

5 Nope CBD, it's an early food thread.
You can tell it's one of your predecessors not CJ's because it's only run thru the fire twice, unless that's grass?

Posted by: DaveA at May 12, 2016 10:02 AM (DL2i+)

6 The blue one reminds me of the movie "(untitled)" mocking modern art.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2016 10:03 AM (NOIQH)

7
That was done during Klein's Blue Period. He didn't get stuck in a rut, though, and evolved dramatically to his Green Period. Detail at link:

http://tinyurl.com/hk4l3hb

Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 10:04 AM (pC96u)

8 I can't be the only Moron whose gone WTF? out loud at the painting that's just a red stripe at the National Gallery.

Posted by: DaveA at May 12, 2016 10:04 AM (DL2i+)

9 What no Carolina Blue?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2016 10:05 AM (V/InG)

10 Funny how cave art is so often disproportional. Or are we just finding the abstract artists of the cavemen?

Posted by: IP at May 12, 2016 10:05 AM (aQQbl)

11 The lower representation is an ironic commentary on the modern phenomenon of Microsoft's 'Blue Screen Of Death'.

I like the horsie better.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 12, 2016 10:05 AM (MIKMs)

12 Not art--it's a schematic.

The "horse" is having a nuclear core dumped on it--the vertical lines are the control rods being dumped out (heavy water and U-235 rods not depicted). The flashes are neutrons.

The horse is, in other words, being irradiated, probably by angry or bored aliens.

Posted by: General Zod at May 12, 2016 10:05 AM (Bdeb0)

13 What Glidden paint number is the second one?

Posted by: huerfano at May 12, 2016 10:05 AM (NSb9d)

14 What Glidden paint number is the second one?



42

Posted by: IP at May 12, 2016 10:06 AM (aQQbl)

15 Did TFG apologize to the Japanese yet?

Posted by: the littl shyning man at May 12, 2016 10:06 AM (U6f54)

16 Apparently, you can get the entire collection for free


http://tinyurl.com/znztm2j

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 12, 2016 10:07 AM (ptqRm)

17 Blue 42 Blue 42 Omaha

Posted by: Peyton Manning at May 12, 2016 10:08 AM (NSb9d)

18 Mmm Art Thread smell. Breathe the fumes.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 12, 2016 10:09 AM (KUaJL)

19
The "horse" is having a nuclear core dumped on it--the vertical lines are the control rods being dumped out (heavy water and U-235 rods not depicted). The flashes are neutrons.

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No no, that's a big curry comb, obviously unfit for the task because it only has four tines. This is a clue as to why cavemen themselves always had very scruffy beards and coiffures; they had not evolved in the art of simple grooming tools.

You can learn a lot about a civilization by looking at its artistic depictions of animals.

Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 10:09 AM (pC96u)

20 *** What no Carolina Blue?***

Deacon Blue

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at May 12, 2016 10:09 AM (Eyx+b)

21 Garfunkel is Art.

The rest is just abstract.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2016 10:10 AM (McRlu)

22 I prefer the cave horse, myself. I read up on cave and rock art last winter - very interesting stuff.

My one my frustrations with the modern art scene is the theory that "art" is in the meaning of the piece, not the physical artifact itself. Ergo, true art has to have some message, and with a message anything can be art. Seems backwards to me.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 12, 2016 10:10 AM (bZ7mE)

23 Apparently, you can get the entire collection for free



At any Sherwin-Williams store.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 10:10 AM (Qq3ZN)

24 The Sherwin-Williams paint chip commercials are more artistic than that blue one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGE2GK4gMOA

Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2016 10:11 AM (NOIQH)

25 I called this one "Fag Horse."

Posted by: Okk the caveman at May 12, 2016 10:11 AM (kTF2Z)

26 How much would Klein charge for a Chevy S-10?

Posted by: DaveA at May 12, 2016 10:11 AM (DL2i+)

27 Am I blue.

Posted by: Art at May 12, 2016 10:12 AM (k4M/B)

28 You see I've been through the Ice Age on a horse with no name,
It felt good to get out of the freezing rain
In the Ice Age, you can't remember your name
'Cause they ain't made up words yet and we all look the same

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 12, 2016 10:12 AM (9krrF)

29 Funny how cave art is so often disproportional. Or are we just finding the abstract artists of the cavemen?

Actually, most of the cave and other prehistoric art IS abstract - geometric patterns, etc. It just that the animals are a lot more interesting to moderns, and so get published.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 12, 2016 10:12 AM (bZ7mE)

30 I called this one "Fag Horse."
Posted by: Okk the caveman



Mendoooooooozaaaaaaa!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 10:12 AM (Qq3ZN)

31 Moron art!
I feel so cultured!

Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2016 10:13 AM (r65B3)

32 Earl Scheib would art your car for only $99.95.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2016 10:13 AM (McRlu)

33 >>No no, that's a big curry comb

Yes...yes...I can see how that reads as a 'comb'...mmm...but I...hmm. This is a very assertive cheese, but the Veuve sort of I don't know what's the word...'tempers' it. Yes. Comb. Mmm. Hmm.

Posted by: General Zod at May 12, 2016 10:13 AM (Bdeb0)

34 OT

We have 3 more authors on our AoSHQ list, I did a short post on them. All non-fiction, coincidentally.

Link in nic

Posted by: @votermom at May 12, 2016 10:13 AM (7lVbc)

35 Out with the Pygmy Ponies

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at May 12, 2016 10:13 AM (Eyx+b)

36 Blue (Da Ba Dee)
Yves Klein

Posted by: Fixed at May 12, 2016 10:14 AM (2WoCi)

37 Blue

Yves Klein


Funny, that looks a lot like my non-functioning Windows computer

Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 12, 2016 10:14 AM (v6tlA)

38
History of Art in 3 Colours - Blue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PRKgzli7q4

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 12, 2016 10:14 AM (iQIUe)

39 Am I blue.
Posted by: Art




I'm going back someday
Come what may
To Blue Bayou
-L Ronstadt

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 10:14 AM (Qq3ZN)

40 Wow, those Paleolithic-era horses were well fed.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at May 12, 2016 10:15 AM (Bt15t)

41 I paint this! Nah, fk it.

Posted by: Zombie Dali at May 12, 2016 10:16 AM (Eyx+b)

42 "Apparently, you can get the entire collection for free







At any Sherwin-Williams store."

indeed ! i can see some forger unloading "little known works" by Yves Klein titled "Pure White" and "Real Red"

Posted by: runner at May 12, 2016 10:16 AM (c6/9Q)

43 My dad mentioned that when Scheib started it was $19.95.Choice of 2 colors ,shit brown or piss yellow.

Posted by: steevy at May 12, 2016 10:16 AM (B48dK)

44 Has this horse been to the desert? Does it have a name?

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2016 10:16 AM (dFi94)

45 How long did Klein think before he came up with "Blue".

Posted by: dantesed at May 12, 2016 10:16 AM (88xKn)

46 Wow, those Paleolithic-era horses were well fed.

Is that what kids are calling it these days?

Posted by: Ice Age Stallion at May 12, 2016 10:16 AM (bZ7mE)

47 I found the sniper, Waldo, and the kitteh...

They're all dressed in blue.

G'morn, y'all.

Posted by: mindful webworker was here at May 12, 2016 10:17 AM (Y5LDn)

48 Both appeared in the art gallery of the Titanic II as it pushed an iceberg through my South Sea Passage.

Posted by: Sandra Flook at May 12, 2016 10:17 AM (eI19q)

49 EXCLUSIVE: Persian Gulf Sheikhs Gave Bill Hillary $100 Million

A Daily Caller News Foundation investigation reveals that Bill and Hillary Clinton received at least $100 million from autocratic Persian Gulf states and their leaders, potentially undermining Democratic presidential candidate Hillary's claim she can carry out independent Middle East policies.

As a presidential candidate, the amount of foreign cash the Clintons have amassed from the Persian Gulf states is "simply unprecedented," says national security analyst Patrick Poole.

"These regimes are buying access. You've got the Saudis. You've got the Kuwaitis, Oman, Qatar and the UAE. There are massive conflicts of interest. It's beyond comprehension," Poole told TheDCNF in an interview.

Overall, the Clinton Foundation has received upwards of $85 million in donations from five Persian Gulf states and their monarchs, according to the foundation's website.

Posted by: unlawful contributor at May 12, 2016 10:18 AM (e8kgV)

50 That was Klein's famous "Smurfs in the Ocean" panorama.

His green one is titled: "Kermit in the Algae".

The brown one? "A Steaming Pile of Politicians".



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2016 10:18 AM (McRlu)

51
That's a fat horse.

did they have reins for horses in the paleolithic era?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 12, 2016 10:19 AM (ODxAs)

52 Wow, those Paleolithic-era horses were well fed.

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Shopping list

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at May 12, 2016 10:19 AM (zLgea)

53 Tangled up in blue.......

Posted by: Bob Dylan, older yet still off-key at May 12, 2016 10:19 AM (RFeQD)

54 My one my frustrations with the modern art scene is the theory that "art" is in the meaning of the piece, not the physical artifact itself. Ergo, true art has to have some message, and with a message anything can be art. Seems backwards to me.

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I don't have a problem with that definition itself, for the most part. The best art evokes an emotion or feeling from the audience, and that's certainly intentional. It's when the artist starts going off the rails and making the piece so obscure that the average person just goes "wtf is this supposed to be" and it's just an excuse for art snobs to lord over the rest of us peons about how much more culturally nuanced they are (because they *do* get the true meaning of the piece, or at least proclaim to).

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 12, 2016 10:19 AM (KUaJL)

55 Oh, since this is an open thread.

I am thinking about trying the 10-day Detox Diet.

http://tinyurl.com/hqzluwj

Has anyone else here tried that? What did you think?

Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 12, 2016 10:19 AM (v6tlA)

56 Fat Upper Pony Area.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at May 12, 2016 10:20 AM (zLgea)

57 Maternity horse.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 12, 2016 10:20 AM (k4M/B)

58 did they have reins for horses in the paleolithic era?

No, but they did have atlatls

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 12, 2016 10:20 AM (bZ7mE)

59 Actually those are the now extinct weinerhorses.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at May 12, 2016 10:20 AM (Eyx+b)

60 That pony has some wicked elbows.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 10:21 AM (BbOP8)

61 Fat Upper Pony Area.
Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at May 12, 2016 10:20 AM (zLgea)

57 Maternity horse.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr



That's a stallion obviously exploring his mare side.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 10:21 AM (Qq3ZN)

62 The thing about "fu this piece was commissioned for six figures lol" statement art like Blue above is that it's much different in person, and what makes it "art" isn't conveyed by a tiny patch of blue on your computer screen:

The next exhibition, 'Proposte Monochrome, Epoca Blu' (Proposition Monochrome; Blue Epoch) at the Gallery Apollinaire, Milan, (January 1957), featured 11 identical blue canvases, using ultramarine pigment suspended in a synthetic resin 'Rhodopas,' described by Klein as "The Medium." Discovered with the help of Edouard Adam, a Parisian paint dealer,[7] the optical effect retained the brilliance of the pigment which, when suspended in linseed oil, tended to become dull. Klein later deposited a Soleau envelope[8] for this recipe to maintain the "authenticity of the pure idea."[9] This colour, reminiscent of the lapis lazuli used to paint the Madonna's robes in medieval paintings, was to become famous as International Klein Blue (IKB). The paintings were attached to poles placed 20 cm away from the walls to increase their spatial ambiguities.

http://bit.ly/24O4bj0



On the other hand he was French, so, yeah, he might have just been an arrogant guy trying to put one over on his ignorant nouveau riche audience.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 12, 2016 10:21 AM (xuouz)

63 I'd say the horse is less fat than it is preggers.

Our beloved National Security Advisor Susan Rice said on Wednesday that there are too many white people in government roles and this is a dangerous to national security as it leads to "group think". You know honkies all think alike.

Posted by: Cheri at May 12, 2016 10:21 AM (oiNtH)

64 "She can be indicted on three separate issues. Let's say she is indicted on all those issues, or some of those issues. Now she's the nominee indicted. What does she do? My reporting, according to the people I've spoken to in her inner circle, is she has no intention of stepping down.

What she is going to say is, first of all, in America you are innocent until proven guilty, number one.

Number two, we've been through this before, we Clintons. The House voted to impeach my husband and he was exonerated, so I'm going to be exonerated.

Number three, the American people have spoken, 18 million people have voted for me to be the nominee, that's the will of the people, I'm not giving up. In my view, she is going to try to continue to run even under indictment."

Posted by: unlawful litigator at May 12, 2016 10:22 AM (e8kgV)

65 The cave art looks like a tired paleolithic mom told her bored kid to paint on the wall one rainy day. Its funny how we think there has to be some special meaning or reason for the childlike proportions today as though cave parents didn't have an equivalent of fridge art.

Blue canvas is the modern 'emperor has no clothes.' some abstract art like the random colors and looping white swirls of a few weeks ago can be artful to some viewers but I can't imagine anyone finds art in solid blue canvas but most in the gallery crowd oohed and aaahed rather than risk being thought too white bread by their peers to say so.

Posted by: PaleRider at May 12, 2016 10:23 AM (wYRTH)

66 Cmon, over 60 comments and not one "I'd hit it"? What is wrong with you people?

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 10:23 AM (BbOP8)

67 Second paintin done tangle me up in it.

Posted by: Bob Dylan at May 12, 2016 10:23 AM (hxRYm)

68 Our beloved National Security Advisor Susan Rice said on Wednesday that there are too many white people in government roles and this is a dangerous to national security as it leads to "group think". You know honkies all think alike.
Posted by: Cheri at May 12, 2016 10:21 AM (oiNtH)

White people in government leads to group think, but liberals in academia and the media don't. Got it.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 12, 2016 10:23 AM (KUaJL)

69 I am thinking about trying the 10-day Detox Diet.

http://tinyurl.com/hqzluwj

Has anyone else here tried that? What did you think?


Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 12, 2016 10:19 AM (v6tlA)
================================================

You don't need to spend money on a bunch of gobbledy-gook explanations of why you should eat what when. There are 5-day, 7-day, 10-day and 2-week cleansing programs on Pinterest for free. I did a 7 day one recently. I lost about 5 pounds but unfortunately not in the right place.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2016 10:23 AM (dFi94)

70 "These regimes are buying access. You've got the
Saudis. You've got the Kuwaitis, Oman, Qatar and the UAE. There are
massive conflicts of interest. It's beyond comprehension," Poole told
TheDCNF in an interview.

Overall, the Clinton Foundation has
received upwards of $85 million in donations from five Persian Gulf
states and their monarchs, according to the foundation's website.


Posted by: unlawful contributor

These are not the donations you were looking for!!

Hillary Corleone Clinton


Donations? What donations?

The New York Times

She certainly has a charming way with those Middle Eastern people! They really like her and would like to work with her!

The Washington Post

....Not outside the limits of wrecking the country!
P.J. O'Rourke

Did you see the creases in that money! First Rate!
David Brookes

If you drag a $100 dollar bill through a trailer park, there's no telling what you can get!
James Carville

Better put some ice on that
William Jefferson Clinton

Posted by: Bob Dylan, older yet still off-key at May 12, 2016 10:24 AM (RFeQD)

71
Funny, that looks a lot like my non-functioning Windows computer

Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 12, 2016 10:14 AM (v6tlA)
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This is why we say that artists are prophetic, and that culture opens the door to science. I'm sure that in your own chosen branch of chemistry, you have noted this phenomenon. For instance, the Dadaist movement with which you are no doubt familiar could only presage the results in your own lab of mixing Clorox and ammonia.

Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 10:24 AM (pC96u)

72 I'd hit it.

Posted by: Burnt Umber at May 12, 2016 10:24 AM (2WoCi)

73
I'd say that's not paleolithic. More of a spelunkerithic. Or French Gothic.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 12, 2016 10:24 AM (ODxAs)

74 I can make the bottom one in less than a minute using power point.

That makes it Not Art.

Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 12, 2016 10:24 AM (10hEu)

75 So Yves Klein's idea for Blue wasn't that it had a meaning but exactly the opposite: he found a way to chemically stabilize the bluest possible blue and painted a whole shitload of canvases with it because it looked cool.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 12, 2016 10:24 AM (xuouz)

76 Sorry, but art should carry its own context. 1000 years from now this would be discarded on discovery.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 12, 2016 10:24 AM (9krrF)

77
Has this horse been to the desert? Does it have a name?

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2016 10:16 AM (dFi94)
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grammie, normally I get bored with song parodies, but check out Brother Cavil @28.

Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 10:25 AM (pC96u)

78
That's B5 Blue, featured on many 1968 Chrysler Corp muscle cars.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 12, 2016 10:25 AM (X35Yt)

79 What an abominable, horribly obese horse.

You should have given a trigger warning.

Posted by: Lone Ranger at May 12, 2016 10:25 AM (hxRYm)

80 Cmon, over 60 comments and not one "I'd hit it"? What is wrong with you people?

I'm not into horses. Or Smurfs. Or Smurfs on horseback.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 12, 2016 10:26 AM (9krrF)

81 grammie, normally I get bored with song parodies, but check out Brother Cavil @28.

Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 10:25 AM (pC96u)
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Ahhh, Brother Cavil did it much better than I.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2016 10:26 AM (dFi94)

82 22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

Posted by: mindful webworker - anti-communist at May 12, 2016 10:26 AM (Y5LDn)

83
Blue
Yves Klein




That's alllllmost right.

Here:


Yves Klein Blew


There you go. Fixed.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 12, 2016 10:26 AM (0cMkb)

84 Ahhh, Brother Cavil did it much better than I.

Posted by: grammie winger


/bows humbly

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 12, 2016 10:27 AM (9krrF)

85 Horses on smurfback, though. Yowza.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 12, 2016 10:27 AM (xuouz)

86 there are too many white people in government roles and this is a dangerous to national security

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Not trying to be a dick or anything
But it may be good to note at this point that we've had a nonwhite male in charge of all that for the last 7 years and that's a data point for comparison. I'll just leave it at that.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at May 12, 2016 10:27 AM (zLgea)

87
Cmon, over 60 comments and not one "I'd hit it"? What is wrong with you people?

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 10:23 AM (BbOP
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We're looking for the hidden sniper in the second one. (I think it may be wearing blue.)

Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 10:27 AM (pC96u)

88 And actually, as to the horse.

The ponies that the various nomadic tribes ride in Western Mongolia, still greatly resemble the one in the cave painting.

They're far smaller than most of the Western breed of horses. Not as small as a Shetland, but maybe half again bigger than one.

The Mongols look awfully top heavy when riding one of 'em, but they've been making it a working combo now for a millennium or more, so go figure.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2016 10:28 AM (McRlu)

89
So...Lena Dunham lived back in the paleolithic era.

Who knew?

Posted by: naturalfake at May 12, 2016 10:28 AM (0cMkb)

90 That second painting is the electoral map of the USA in 20 years.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 12, 2016 10:28 AM (8cSVB)

91 I don't have a problem with that definition itself, for the most part.
The best art evokes an emotion or feeling from the audience, and that's
certainly intentional. It's when the artist starts going off the rails
and making the piece so obscure that the average person just goes "wtf
is this supposed to be" and it's just an excuse for art snobs to lord
over the rest of us peons about how much more culturally nuanced they
are (because they *do* get the true meaning of the piece, or at least
proclaim to).


Well, the problem I see is that 1) it elevates emotion over facts and logic, since a picture may evoke emotion but cannot present a reasoned argument (notice that an art piece has to be explained with words, even in a gallery!) 2) it ultimately makes the artist, not the art, the center of attention. I've got no problem with artists trying to call up emotions (I've tried doing something of that myself when coming up with certain minimalistic/pseudo-primitive depictions of animals, and that is one reason why I like cave art) or try to make their art more than just a pretty picture, but I dislike completely divorcing art from the product of skill. One should be able to enjoy a good story without knowing anything of the author or its intended message or enjoy to a piece of music without knowing what the composer was thinking about at the time; I don't see why visual art should be any different.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 12, 2016 10:29 AM (bZ7mE)

92 I stand corrected. Not weinerhorses, Corgihorses.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at May 12, 2016 10:30 AM (Eyx+b)

93 "No no, that's a big curry comb, obviously unfit for the task because it only has four tines. This is a clue as to why cavemen themselves always had very scruffy beards and coiffures; they had not evolved in the art of simple grooming tools. "

They were like mlb players then.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 12, 2016 10:30 AM (u0lmX)

94 22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
Posted by: mindful webworker - anti-communist at May 12, 2016 10:26 AM (Y5LDn)

Brutalist architecture is the clearest example of this, most obvious in the proliferation of concrete and the rejection of classical western styles.

And in performance art, film, and literature, the universal promotion of the theme of alienation - to decouple each individual from the individuals around them and their culture generally.

The clearest examples of alienation are the feeling that movies can't have happy endings: they have to be clever instead. And a downstream result of it is the rejection of emotional sincerity, the cringing rejection of earnestness and enthusiasm.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 12, 2016 10:30 AM (xuouz)

95
Drag a saudi donation through a trailer park and there is no telling what dnc prez nominee you will get.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 12, 2016 10:30 AM (ODxAs)

96 I actually had to mix paint to match UK blue one time... sigh

Posted by: FCF at May 12, 2016 10:31 AM (kejii)

97 Interesting day today.


Will Trump give in to GOPe lapdog Ryan and thereby kill his candidacy before it begins?

or

Will Trump tell Ryan politely and diplomatically that if he wanted to dictate Presidential policy that he should've ran for President and therefore go fuck himself?


The wheel of Fate is turning.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 12, 2016 10:31 AM (0cMkb)

98 I already got hit.

Posted by: Smurfette at May 12, 2016 10:31 AM (k4M/B)

99
I am thinking about trying the 10-day Detox Diet.
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Whoa. Jeff. You're a chemist. I guess just not a biochemist. I suggest you nip on over to the Biology department and ask the specialists in human biology what they think of a "Detox Diet."

Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 10:32 AM (pC96u)

100 problem I see is that 1) it elevates emotion over facts and logic

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You don't get the whole art thing

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at May 12, 2016 10:32 AM (zLgea)

101 90
That second painting is the electoral map of the USA in 20 years.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 12, 2016 10:28 AM (8cSVB)Sadly, I concur.

Posted by: IC at May 12, 2016 10:32 AM (a0IVu)

102 When they scratched the reindeer-bone,
Some one made the sketch his own,
Filched it from the artist -- then,
Even in those early days,
Won a simple Viceroy's praise
Through the toil of other men.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 12, 2016 10:32 AM (tIja6)

103 test?

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 12, 2016 10:32 AM (5PGBa)

104 >>Our beloved National Security Advisor Susan Rice said on Wednesday that
there are too many white people in government roles and this is a
dangerous to national security as it leads to "group think".


National Security Advisor Susan Rice said on Wednesday that
there are too many ASIAN people in government roles...

National Security Advisor Susan Rice said on Wednesday that
there are too many LATINO people in government roles....

National Security Advisor Susan Rice said on Wednesday that
there are too many WOMEN in government roles....


Are any of the modified versions of her statement OK? No?
She should not be so comfortable saying such a racist thing.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2016 10:33 AM (NOIQH)

105 ***That second painting is the electoral map of the USA in 20 years. ***

My long term plan is to be dead.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at May 12, 2016 10:33 AM (Eyx+b)

106 Girlfriend of kari is on day 4 of a three week "sugar detox" diet.

She's wan, listless, looks exhausted, and smells weird.

Eat your carbs, ladies.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 12, 2016 10:33 AM (xuouz)

107 >>Drag a saudi donation through a trailer park and there is no telling what dnc prez nominee you will get.


*golf clap*

Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2016 10:33 AM (NOIQH)

108 apparently i was banned by accident.

rebooted my satellite modem and here i am...

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 12, 2016 10:33 AM (5PGBa)

109 It is definitely art, since it depicts the first Skittle-Shitting Unicorn ever seen by human eyes.

An ancient precursor to our present glorious Regime of Regards, if you will.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 12, 2016 10:34 AM (QjjNy)

110
Ahhh, Brother Cavil did it much better than I.

Posted by: grammie winger

/bows humbly
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 12, 2016 10:27 AM (9krrF)
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Haha, I just meant to point you to an answer to your question.

Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 10:35 AM (pC96u)

111 1. Yes. 2. No.

If the cave art painting were created today, it would be named "Stabby McStabby Horse."

Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2016 10:36 AM (TOk1P)

112 I did a 7 day detox. Drinking water with lemon, green tea with lemon, diluted cranberry juice, assorted fruits, unlimited vegetables. I had no problems. I didn't miss meat as I rarely eat meat anyway. I did miss cheese and ice cream. And peanut butter. But it was only for 7 days. I don't think you can do much harm to your body by eating fruits and vegetables for 7 days.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2016 10:37 AM (dFi94)

113 Open another case of Mac-O-Lac; I feel a masterpiece coming on.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Let The Outrage Outlet Cater Your Graduate's Pity Party! at May 12, 2016 10:37 AM (hLRSq)

114 It's not what you think.


That was from before we evolved assholes.

Posted by: Upper Paleolithic Horse at May 12, 2016 10:37 AM (0cMkb)

115 Greetings:

The chesse-eating surrender pony is art.

Posted by: 11B40 at May 12, 2016 10:37 AM (evgyj)

116 Cave art is so much more interesting than the modern stuff. Some guy 10000 years ago was trying to tell a story for future generations, convey a message or lesson for those who might follow him

Interesting stuff.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 12, 2016 10:37 AM (LA7Cm)

117
Posted by: unlawful litigator at May 12, 2016 10:22 AM (e8kgV)

------------------------------

Ed Klein. Boulder of salt, yet resounding ring of truth.

Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 10:38 AM (pC96u)

118 Where are the white people government jobs? All I see at the DMV, post office and the local libraries? Minorities.

Posted by: NCKate at May 12, 2016 10:38 AM (bi3cd)

119

The above is art

Below it is a paint sample from Behr taken from Home Depot

Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 10:38 AM (4M4Nq)

120 I asked my physician about these "cleansing diets."

He said, "Your colon cleanses itself. It's called 'pooping.' If you have any troubles with that, I recommend some prunes or Fiber One bars."

He said when he sees people in line at Whole Foods with a cart load full of herbal supplements and cleansing regimens he wants to tell them that flushing $200 down the toilet works just as well as the shit they have in the cart.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 12, 2016 10:39 AM (u0lmX)

121 "My long term plan is to be dead"

I think we're all in that boat.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 12, 2016 10:39 AM (LA7Cm)

122 I have a pair of shorts that color.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2016 10:39 AM (dFi94)

123 I remember reading something about Andy Warhol and one of his hangers on who used to do impressions of him. One of his bits was to do imaginary interviews. He would put on one of Warhol's wigs, sit on a couch and ask and answer questions. To the question "How do you make art?" he demanded an egg and a cup. He broke the egg into the cup and said, "Cook this." Then he said, "That is how I make art."

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 12, 2016 10:39 AM (QHgTq)

124 "It hasn't been easy for Caitlyn, it's been very hard," Ian Halperin recalls one source telling him.

Caitlyn Jenner, who announced her transition from man to woman last year, has considered de-transitioning, the author of a new book about the Kardashian family told TheWrap on Wednesday.

Ian Halperin, the author of "Kardashian Dynasty: The Controversial Rise of America's Royal Family," said that, while researching his book, multiple sources told him that the former Olympian had been miserable for months and has considered transitioning back to a man.

"One source confirmed to me Caitlyn has made whispers of 'sex change regret,' hinting she might go back to being Bruce Jenner," Halperin said.

Posted by: unlawful transmission at May 12, 2016 10:40 AM (e8kgV)

125 It depends on if the horse were painted by a systematically oppressed people. If it was, it's on par with the Mona Lisa. If not, it's crap my 5-year old could paint.

Posted by: CrustyB at May 12, 2016 10:40 AM (GvSpB)

126 Well, the problem I see is that 1) it elevates emotion over facts and logic, since a picture may evoke emotion but cannot present a reasoned argument (notice that an art piece has to be explained with words, even in a gallery!) 2) it ultimately makes the artist, not the art, the center of attention. I've got no problem with artists trying to call up emotions (I've tried doing something of that myself when coming up with certain minimalistic/pseudo-primitive depictions of animals, and that is one reason why I like cave art) or try to make their art more than just a pretty picture, but I dislike completely divorcing art from the product of skill. One should be able to enjoy a good story without knowing anything of the author or its intended message or enjoy to a piece of music without knowing what the composer was thinking about at the time; I don't see why visual art should be any different.
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 12, 2016 10:29 AM (bZ7mE)

I think we're saying the same thing. If the artist is doing their job well, they shouldn't need to explain it elsewhere. If they do have to explain it, then the piece itself isn't actually evoking the emotion.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 12, 2016 10:40 AM (KUaJL)

127 Cave art is so much more interesting than the modern stuff. Some guy 10000 years ago was trying to tell a story for future generations, convey a message or lesson for those who might follow him

I don't know, "we are all cynical, feckless assholes" certainly is a message, and modern art certainly is conveying it.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 12, 2016 10:40 AM (9krrF)

128
Some guy 10000 years ago was trying to tell a story for future generations, convey a message or lesson for those who might follow him

Or was bored on a rainy day.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 12, 2016 10:41 AM (k4M/B)

129 "One source confirmed to me Caitlyn has made whispers of 'sex change regret,' hinting she might go back to being Bruce Jenner," Halperin said.




Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 10:41 AM (Qq3ZN)

130

At the international terminal at Bush Airport in Houston is a room called the "Interfaith Chapel". It has a symbol above it of a person, praying. Sitting on his legs, praying as a Muslim would. Two thoughts. One, do only Muslims pray anymore? Two, if there is a need to pray at an airport, well, I won't say it

Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 10:42 AM (4M4Nq)

131 Or was bored on a rainy day.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 12, 2016 10:41 AM (k4M/B)

Or was drunk and trying to show his buddy what the horse with the tumor that he aaaaalmost killed (probably did kill, really, but the arrow stayed in so he couldn't find a blood trail) looked like.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 12, 2016 10:42 AM (xuouz)

132 Some guy 10000 years ago was trying to tell a story for future generations, convey a message or lesson for those who might follow him

Or was bored on a rainy day.




Internet was out.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 10:42 AM (Qq3ZN)

133
Brazilian president is going "full otter"

Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 10:44 AM (4M4Nq)

134 "I don't know, "we are all cynical, feckless assholes" certainly is a message,"

Well, that is a point.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 12, 2016 10:44 AM (LA7Cm)

135
Some guy 10000 years ago was trying to tell a story for future generations, convey a message or lesson for those who might follow him

Interesting stuff.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 12, 2016 10:37 AM (LA7Cm)
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Or perhaps Mr. (or Ms.) Cave Painter was inspired by the beauty of the horse and meant to re-create it, to represent it in a transcendent way. He/she was painting for the sheer satisfaction of artistic creativity itself, and may have cared little who besides him/herself would eventually see it.

Not being argumentative here, just adding the contents of my bellybutton re the uniquely human artistic impulse.

Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 10:45 AM (pC96u)

136 I used that horse pic to convince the Mongols not to invade us.

Then I threatened the Limeys that we'd change the blue in their flag to this one if they voted for Brexit. A few of them are still thinking about it.

Posted by: Colossus of Ben Rhodes at May 12, 2016 10:45 AM (4LH9f)

137 >>hinting she might go back to being Bruce Jenner


That raises so many inconvenient questions.
Will ESPN ask for their Courage award back?
Will everyone who lauded Jenner rescind their support - even though this would confirm that gender is fluid/goes both ways?
How will Jenner undo what has done to his face to look more feminine?

Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2016 10:45 AM (NOIQH)

138 Jenner needs to abandon the spot light, seek therapy, and eschew public interest or adulation.

Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 10:46 AM (4M4Nq)

139
Internet was out.
Posted by: rickb223


When the EMP hits we will all be cave artists.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 12, 2016 10:46 AM (k4M/B)

140 "118
Where are the white people government jobs? All I see at the DMV, post office and the local libraries? Minorities.

Posted by: NCKate at May 12, 2016 10:38 AM (bi3cd)"

Back in the day when I was a kid a government job was called "Irish Welfare". Considering that all my father's brothers and the husbands of his sisters worked for federal, state or local government agencies, there was a fair bit of truth to that.

Sadly, that is no longer the case since "They took our jerbs!" and now we have to work in the private sector where they expect results.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 12, 2016 10:46 AM (QHgTq)

141 Some guy 10000 years ago was trying to tell a
story for future generations, convey a message or lesson for those who
might follow him



Or was bored on a rainy day.



Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 12, 2016 10:41 AM (k4M/B)
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My opinion is that the painter was emphasizing what was important -- the edible parts.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 12, 2016 10:47 AM (MIKMs)

142 It's been said before but Bruce Jenner really screwed up his life by hooking up with the Kardashians.I think he was going through some sort of delayed mid-life crisis with this whole 'I have always wanted to be a woman' coupled with living with publicity whores. And now he is regretful.

Posted by: IC at May 12, 2016 10:48 AM (a0IVu)

143 if there is a need to pray at an airport, well, I won't say it

Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 10:42 AM (4M4Nq)

Yes, until the plane actually goes down the runway on takeoff, turning around and heading back to the gate, is a downer. (happened many times)

Posted by: Colin at May 12, 2016 10:49 AM (jitap)

144
This twitter feed links to their website. It's scary stuff.

https://twitter.com/canarymission

Way too many terrorist enablers in this country and they are all muslim/sjw.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 12, 2016 10:49 AM (iQIUe)

145 It seems to me the cave painter was trying to capture not just a likeness of the horse, but it's spirit. That makes it art IMHO

Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 10:49 AM (fWQwq)

146 The question "is it art?" is of absolutely no significance.
Its like asking the question: "Is it food?"
"Is it good art?" is a meaningful and important question, and far easier to answer.
If it lies past the continuum of "not good", the difference between "bad" and "not" is of absolutely no interest to me, nor should it be to anyone else.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at May 12, 2016 10:49 AM (k8tEg)

147 I would assume that when a modern art piece sells for $12M a boatload of drugs is thrown in.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 12, 2016 10:49 AM (VdICR)

148 Regime of Retards, not regards.

Sigh, fucking AutoCucumber.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 12, 2016 10:49 AM (QjjNy)

149 Pointy stick is pointy. Lol!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 12, 2016 10:49 AM (lutOX)

150 "Jenner needs to abandon the spot light, seek therapy, and eschew public interest or adulation."

Per the thread below, he and George Zimmerman need to find a cabin on the U.P. or Maine and lay low for a while.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 12, 2016 10:49 AM (LA7Cm)

151
By the way, Jeff, do you want to "detox" or do you want to lose weight? A 10-day detox sounds more like a crash diet than something to . . . whatever, speed up your metabolism or revitalize your iron-poor, tired blood.

Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 10:50 AM (pC96u)

152 It must suck having skin color be the only thing you ever think about. This administration, and Democrats in general, are completely fixated on and obsessed with it. Their minds are constantly analyzing skin tones and shades, and looking for ways to divide and categorize people into groups based on them. Creepy.

Posted by: Pyrocles at May 12, 2016 10:51 AM (fVOPU)

153 Look, it's not like I had a lot of shit to choose from. It was either the horse or a saber tooth tiger. Ever try to get one of those to sit still for a portrait?

Posted by: Okk the caveman at May 12, 2016 10:51 AM (kTF2Z)

154 Jenner needs to abandon the spot light, seek therapy, and eschew public interest or adulation.

Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 10:46 AM (4M4Nq)


Which of course is like telling an alcoholic he, she, or it needs to stop drinking.


We know that's what the person needs, the problems is, he, she, it, can't.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2016 10:51 AM (TOk1P)

155 It won't be art after the Taliban Kaliphate blows it up.

Wait! YES IT WILL !!

Posted by: Colossus of Ben Rhodes at May 12, 2016 10:52 AM (4LH9f)

156 I don't think the insatiable appetite for public attention is a sign of good mental health or healthy spirit in anyone. Just my opinion

Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 10:52 AM (fWQwq)

157 My opinion is that the painter was emphasizing what was important -- the edible parts.



Menudo?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 10:52 AM (Qq3ZN)

158 Regarding immigrants who work in America - yesterday I had to do some stuff, and the person on the other end of that stuff was Hispanic, and from her accent it seemed as if she had not been in America that long. I had to do this stuff with her, but Jiminy Christmas, I could hardly understand what she was saying. I repeatedly had to ask - "Excuse me, what?". After about a dozen times, I started to feel really rude. But I had to get this thing done and she was the only one there who could do it. I still don't think she understood what I was asking for and I'm afraid I'm going to get something entirely different than what I asked for.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2016 10:53 AM (dFi94)

159 136 I used that horse pic to convince the Mongols not to invade us.

Posted by: Colossus of Ben Rhodes at May 12, 2016 10:45 AM (4LH9f)
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Every time we Chinese tried to build a wall, stupid Mongorians had to come and try to knock it down. God damn Mongorians.

Posted by: City Wok Guy at May 12, 2016 10:53 AM (BDZWU)

160
Good thing us morons aren't in Austria.

http://tinyurl.com/zohblpf

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 12, 2016 10:53 AM (ODxAs)

161 Someone I know online is an artist, and she posts her studf on Google Plus. It's mostly a bunch of colored lines that are meant to express some thought or feeling. Sometimes she does landscapes, but I always feel that they are something I could do myself, once I got the technique of mixing watercolors down. I don't get it.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at May 12, 2016 10:53 AM (FQKBL)

162 It depends on if the horse were painted by a systematically oppressed
people. If it was, it's on par with the Mona Lisa. If not, it's crap my
5-year old could paint.


I think y'all are underestimating the difficulty of drawing a horse from memory using charcoal and red clay on the end of a chewed stick. Some paleolithic art isn't terribly impressive, true, but some of it is a lot harder than it looks. I've tried copying a couple pics in a sketchbook, and found that getting the lines just right is pretty difficult - I think I spent something like a hour and a half copying about six lines making up an ibex, drawing and erasing and drawing again. If the lines weren't just so, not only did it not look like the original, but it did not look like an ibex. Whoever did the original was amazing.

One issue we have today in judging the quality of things like rock art is that we are inundated by readily available realistic images, courtesy of photography. Prior to photography, getting a picture that resembled its object was the result of considerable time and effort.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 12, 2016 10:53 AM (bZ7mE)

163 Am I blue?

Am I blue?

Ain't these queers

In my culture

Tellin' you?

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 12, 2016 10:54 AM (eHpnh)

164 The question "is it art?" is of absolutely no significance.

Its like asking the question: "Is it food?"

"Is it good art?" is a meaningful and important question, and far easier to answer.

If it lies past the continuum of "not good", the difference between
"bad" and "not" is of absolutely no interest to me, nor should it be to
anyone else.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at May 12, 2016 10:49 AM (k8tEg)


Until we cede control of the questioning to an elite few, who decide the answers for the rest of us. Which is how we do these things these days.

It's time for a change. Long past time, but right now one of the only tools the people have is to ridicule the elites.


Which, in some weird, convoluted definition of the thing, is art itself.

And if the elites don't like it, they can shove it. And we can call THAT art too.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2016 10:54 AM (TOk1P)

165 CJ - 'detox diet?'

Just lay off the Fapplebee's for a while....

Dude, you make the Horde doubt your scientician bona fides with stuff like this....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 12, 2016 10:55 AM (lutOX)

166 One issue we have today in judging the quality of things like rock art is that we are inundated by readily available realistic images, courtesy of photography. Prior to photography, getting a picture that resembled its object was the result of considerable time and effort.

Also, they didn't have the benefit of 10,000 of artistic technique and tools to work with.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 12, 2016 10:55 AM (9krrF)

167
Hindu Sena: Right-wing Indian group prays for Trump to save humanity from Islamic terrorism

A right-wing Indian group has appealed to Hindu gods for Donald Trump to become the US President.

================
That's right, suckas! Trump has the Hindu gods on his side!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 12, 2016 10:56 AM (iQIUe)

168 It's ok, Okk, I get it. But next time can you not make ponies look so, well, Looney Toon-ish?
Or, how about a bowl of fruit, perhaps the Mrs. Okk even?

Posted by: IP at May 12, 2016 10:56 AM (aQQbl)

169
getting the lines just right
-------------------

I think that is exactly what that horse picture does -- I don't mean in the sense of reproducing reality, but in the sense of conveying and creating beauty and animation. That painting is the result of talent, skill, and inspiration.

Wow, enough nouns. I've got to put myself in timeout.

Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 10:57 AM (pC96u)

170 That should be 10,000 years worth of technique and tools. As opposed to #twoweeks.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 12, 2016 10:57 AM (9krrF)

171 Regarding immigrants who work in America - yesterday
I had to do some stuff, and the person on the other end of that stuff
was Hispanic, and from her accent it seemed as if she had not been in
America that long. I had to do this stuff with her, but Jiminy
Christmas, I could hardly understand what she was saying. I repeatedly
had to ask - "Excuse me, what?". After about a dozen times, I started to
feel really rude. But I had to get this thing done and she was the only
one there who could do it. I still don't think she understood what I
was asking for and I'm afraid I'm going to get something entirely
different than what I asked for. Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2016 10:53 AM (dFi94)
=====

Made me think about ads for identity theft (LifeLock?) where the emphasis is on US-based help services.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 12, 2016 10:57 AM (MIKMs)

172 A right-wing Indian group has appealed to Hindu gods for Donald Trump to become the US President.

================
That's right, suckas! Trump has the Hindu gods on his side!



Vishnu to you too!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 10:57 AM (Qq3ZN)

173 Whoa. CNN international is covering the Ben Rhodes/Iran Deal story about lying about the Iran Deal. Interesting

Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 10:58 AM (fWQwq)

174
That's right, suckas! Trump has the Hindu gods on his side!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!


And you don't want to get slapped by a multi armed god.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 12, 2016 10:59 AM (k4M/B)

175 142 It's been said before but Bruce Jenner really screwed up his life by hooking up with the Kardashians.I think he was going through some sort of delayed mid-life crisis with this whole 'I have always wanted to be a woman' coupled with living with publicity whores. And now he is regretful.
Posted by: IC at May 12, 2016 10:48 AM (a0IVu)


I have a question for the Horde: The first reference to a Kardashian in public life that I could find was that the father (Robert) was BFF with O.J. Simpson and he was part of that whole 3-ring circus. So, without that, he was just another L.A. B-lister. My question is: without the O.J. fiasco, would the Kardashian daughters have become the national pests they are today? Or, even without their father's involvement in the trial, would they have hogged the celebrity spotlight anyway?

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 10:59 AM (BbOP8)

176 Jenner needs to abandon the spot light, seek therapy, and eschew public interest or adulation.
Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 10:46 AM (4M4Nq)

Jenner is Art.

Posted by: General Zod at May 12, 2016 10:59 AM (Bdeb0)

177
I do like it that the caveman or woman or the graffiti spelunker put an arrow in the horse butt with the blood spouting up. Nice touch.

Still the bit on the snout doesn't quite fit the hunt.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 12, 2016 10:59 AM (ODxAs)

178
A right-wing Indian group has appealed to Hindu gods for Donald Trump to become the US President.

===============================================


"Pagan Idols for Trump!" would make a snappy bumper sticker.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2016 11:00 AM (dFi94)

179 That's right, suckas! Trump has the Hindu gods on his side!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 12, 2016 10:56 AM (iQIUe)
***
By the many arms of Vishnu, it's going to be great, just great.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 12, 2016 11:00 AM (lutOX)

180 I have a question for the Horde: The first reference to a Kardashian in public life that I could find was that the father (Robert) was BFF with O.J. Simpson and he was part of that whole 3-ring circus. So, without that, he was just another L.A. B-lister. My question is: without the O.J. fiasco, would the Kardashian daughters have become the national pests they are today? Or, even without their father's involvement in the trial, would they have hogged the celebrity spotlight anyway?



No.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 11:00 AM (Qq3ZN)

181 Also, they didn't have the benefit of 10,000 of artistic technique and tools to work with.

That is also true.

I've found that when I try to recreate "folk art," I have to unlearn temporarily some of the basic artistic training that my Mom gave me growing up, otherwise the result looks wrong. I've noticed, looking at modern attempts to recreate 18th century powder horns with engraving and whatnot, that I'm not the only person that has this problem.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 12, 2016 11:00 AM (bZ7mE)

182 Rule of thumb: if a reasonably well educated and cultured person couldn't tell whether it's hung upside down, it's not art.

Posted by: shillelagh at May 12, 2016 11:01 AM (L3vVL)

183 " I could hardly understand what she was saying. I repeatedly
had to ask - "Excuse me, what?". After about a dozen times, I started to
feel really rude."


Don't. I work with a lot of ESL people even in management and I often have a hard time communicating with them. I have a new manager in one location and she is from Russia originally. My God, her accent is so thick and I have to ask her to repeat herself all of the time. I know she gets frustrated but I have no option.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 12, 2016 11:01 AM (LA7Cm)

184 173 Whoa. CNN international is covering the Ben Rhodes/Iran Deal story about lying about the Iran Deal. Interesting

Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 10:58 AM (fWQwq)


It sounds like CNN has started to become less unwatchable ever since one of their top men admitted they were too liberal.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 11:01 AM (BbOP8)

185 That's right, suckas! Trump has the Hindu gods on his side!
=========

whoa ... even the blue elephant one?

Posted by: mrp at May 12, 2016 11:01 AM (JBggj)

186 "I think y'all are underestimating the difficulty of
drawing a horse from memory using charcoal and red clay on the end of a
chewed stick. Some paleolithic art isn't terribly impressive, true, but
some of it is a lot harder than it looks. I've tried copying a couple
pics in a sketchbook, and found that getting the lines just right is
pretty difficult - I think I spent something like a hour and a half
copying about six lines making up an ibex, drawing and erasing and
drawing again. If the lines weren't just so, not only did it not look
like the original, but it did not look like an ibex. Whoever did the
original was amazing.

One issue we have today in judging the
quality of things like rock art is that we are inundated by readily
available realistic images, courtesy of photography. Prior to
photography, getting a picture that resembled its object was the result
of considerable time and effort.


Posted by: Grey Fox at May 12, 2016 10:53 AM (bZ7mE)"

I think that the technique used by the cave painters at Lascaux was not to use a chewed stick as a paintbrush but to smear animal fat on the wall and then use a hollow reed in which some pigment was loaded and then blow the pigment onto the wall. I am not sure if this is a more or less difficult way to create an image than using a brush.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 12, 2016 11:01 AM (QHgTq)

187 CNN **international**

As in not the CNN watched by most Americans.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 12, 2016 11:02 AM (0LHZx)

188 >>I still don't think she understood what I
was asking for and I'm afraid I'm going to get something entirely different than what I asked for.

It's all part of the adventure, though, isn't it? Kinda like ordering a Big Mac at drivethrough and getting a paper bag filled with ketchup packets, a spork, and a recently discarded insulin syringe. You can get furious, or you can just...go with it.

Posted by: General Zod at May 12, 2016 11:02 AM (Bdeb0)

189
Didn't the kardashians get famous like paris hilton just from a sex tape?

Product of the times we live in.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 12, 2016 11:03 AM (ODxAs)

190 It's all part of the adventure, though, isn't it?
Kinda like ordering a Big Mac at drivethrough and getting a paper bag
filled with ketchup packets, a spork, and a recently discarded insulin
syringe. You can get furious, or you can just...go with it.





Posted by: General Zod at May 12, 2016 11:02 AM (Bdeb0)
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Ha! Yeah, something like that.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2016 11:03 AM (dFi94)

191 whoa ... even the blue elephant one?
Posted by: mrp at May 12, 2016 11:01 AM (JBggj)
***
Ganesh? Especially him!

Mr. Simpson, please do not feed peanuts to my god....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 12, 2016 11:03 AM (lutOX)

192 >> without the O.J. fiasco, would the Kardashian daughters have become the national pests they are today?


I hate that I know this, but Kim K was BFFs with Paris Hilton back when Paris Hilton was a thing (her mom had paid PR people for the Hilton since they were tweens). Kim figured out how to wrangle the spotlight from her friend by dropping an sex tape, supposedly unauthorized but likely stage-managed by her execrable mom.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2016 11:03 AM (NOIQH)

193 "It sounds like CNN has started to become less unwatchable ever since one of their top men admitted they were too liberal.


Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 11:01 AM (BbOP"

I think that CNN is trying to establish some credibility so that when they broadcast their partisan Democrat propaganda right before the election, people will actually pay attention to them.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 12, 2016 11:03 AM (QHgTq)

194 I've noticed, looking at modern attempts to recreate
18th century powder horns with engraving and whatnot, that I'm not the
only person that has this problem. Posted by: Grey Fox at May 12, 2016 11:00 AM (bZ7mE)
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Astigmatism is corrected now -- like all visual problems. Where would impressionist art be without nearsightedness.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 12, 2016 11:03 AM (MIKMs)

195 Father was OJs personal lawyer. Kim was sucking up to Paris Hilton trying to get into the spotlight. Paris Hiltons ex boyfriend sold a sex tape they had made and it made Paris even more famous. Allegedly, Kim AND HER MOTHER decided Kim should do a sex tape to get famous. Her mother even made the deal that sold the tape. She was determined to be famous. She is a modern day courtesan or just another member of the worlds oldest profession. Ymmv

Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 11:04 AM (vX2xA)

196 That's right, suckas! Trump has the Hindu gods on his side!

Now I am become Trump, the destroyer of worlds.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 12, 2016 11:04 AM (xuouz)

197 Cave art is so much more interesting than the modern stuff. Some guy 10000 years ago was trying to tell a story for future generations, convey a message or lesson for those who might follow him

Interesting stuff.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 12, 2016 10:37 AM (LA7Cm)

Yep. I'm too dumb to know what's art or not, but the Lascaux paintings have always appealed to me aesthetically, and also for the reason you mention, Ricardo.

Texas has lots of rock art. Most is abstract but still interesting, and anthropologists have spent a lot of time trying to figure out what the shaman pictures mean and whether they were drug induced. We have some on the ranch, but all we have is squiggles, lines and circles.
My dad gets pissed when those are called "art", but I think the people who did the painting intended it as art.

Posted by: stace at May 12, 2016 11:04 AM (ozZau)

198 I think that the technique used by the cave painters at Lascaux was not
to use a chewed stick as a paintbrush but to smear animal fat on the
wall and then use a hollow reed in which some pigment was loaded and
then blow the pigment onto the wall. I am not sure if this is a more or
less difficult way to create an image than using a brush.


Interesting. I've read about that technique in regards to handprints, but not for the pictures.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 12, 2016 11:04 AM (bZ7mE)

199 Astigmatism is corrected now -- like all visual problems. Where would Hillary Clinton be without nearsightedness.

Posted by: General Zod at May 12, 2016 11:05 AM (Bdeb0)

200 David Goldman (Spengler) has a pretty good piece on Alien v. Predator (Hillary v. Trump):

LINK: http://preview.tinyurl.com/jotbskw

Posted by: mrp at May 12, 2016 11:05 AM (JBggj)

201
without the O.J. fiasco, would the Kardashian daughters have become the national pests they are today?

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 10:59 AM (BbOP
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I believe the answer is Yes. Mother Kris was evidently a publicity whore all along, taught it to her daughters, and the entry into reality t.v. was one daughter's celebrity sex partner. (Kim Kardashian was some B-list celeb's girlfriend, and a sex tape of them "leaked." The "leak" was almost certainly co-engineered by mother and daughter Kris and Kim.)

Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 11:05 AM (pC96u)

202 It sounds like CNN has started to become less unwatchable ever since one of their top men admitted they were too liberal.

Fox moving left gave them an opening. Stupid Fox.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 12, 2016 11:06 AM (ODxAs)

203 Allegedly, Kim AND HER MOTHER decided Kim should
do a sex tape to get famous. Her mother even made the deal that sold the
tape. She was determined to be famous. She is a modern day courtesan
or just another member of the worlds oldest profession. Ymmv

Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 11:04 AM (vX2xA)
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That's sick. What kind of a sick mother does that? Is she the one that Bruce married? No wonder he's koo koo.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2016 11:06 AM (dFi94)

204 It sounds like CNN has started to become less unwatchable ever since one of their top men admitted they were too liberal.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 11:01 AM (BbOP


Last ratings period CNN beat Fox in primetime in "the demo."

Rush was suggesting it was because they have gotten less liberal, inviting more conservatives on and not just shouting or laughing at them - and Fox has gone the other way, bringing on more liberals to talk.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 11:06 AM (2Ocf1)

205 That's right, suckas! Trump has the Hindu gods on his side!

Hopefully, they'll do more for Trump than they have for India.

Posted by: AD at May 12, 2016 11:06 AM (CKXH7)

206 would the Kardashian daughters have become the
national pests they are today? Or, even without their father's
involvement in the trial, would they have hogged the celebrity spotlight
anyway?


Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 10:59 AM (BbOP


You forget that the first Kardashian daughter's initial claim to fame was a porno movie on the internet that she made with her then boyfriend Kayne West. It was supposedly "leaked".

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 12, 2016 11:07 AM (vvmPQ)

207 > Or are we just finding the abstract artists of the cavemen?

Abstract Australian aboriginal art-
www.crystalinks.com/ausart.html

"...based on sacred designs that include abstract patterns and designs (such as cross-hatching in particular colors) that identify a clan, and also often contain elements of the Eternal Dreamtime. Sometimes the elements of a story are obvious - such as men or animals - but sometimes the elements are symbolic. What appears to the tourist as a series of wavy lines punctuated by dots may actually be telling a complex Dreaming story describing the path of a creator spirit and events that happened along the way..."

Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at May 12, 2016 11:07 AM (25+/B)

208 "Pagan Idols for Trump!" would make a snappy bumper sticker.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2016 11:00 AM (dFi94)


I saw Pagan Idols for Trump open for A Flock of Seagulls at the Weill Center for the Performing Arts in Sheboygan back in '95.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 11:07 AM (BbOP8)

209 I see while I was reading everybody beat me too it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 12, 2016 11:07 AM (vvmPQ)

210 >>I could hardly understand what she was saying...

Ugh, I've had that experience.
Ever have the experience when dealing w/a government worker where they give you an answer that is not related to your question? It's like a game - they have the info they want to share, and you have to keep rephrasing the question in attempt to get them off script. All while they look down on you as if you're the idiot. Had this happen at a PO once when attempting to renew my passport. Ended up going to one of those expedited services just to be sure it was done (no way was I leaving my passport in the hands of that PO idiot).

Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2016 11:08 AM (NOIQH)

211 Please try not to mention Kanye and leaking again...

Posted by: IP at May 12, 2016 11:08 AM (aQQbl)

212 I'm glad people in this thread remember the awful genesis of the Kardashian fame-whoring. They are literally fame whores. It's not just that they're annoying and everywhere. They are disgusting people.

And that's the full quota for how much I speak of Kardashians this month.

Posted by: shillelagh at May 12, 2016 11:08 AM (L3vVL)

213 Not Kanye

Ray Jay. Forgettable rapper. That's who she made the sex tape with

Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 11:08 AM (vX2xA)

214 Ah, to be a con man in today's modern art scene. Next thing you know, random paint splatter would be worth millions. Oh, wait...

Posted by: auscolpyr at May 12, 2016 11:09 AM (suO/a)

215 If I painted Mrs Okk you all would think we were devil worshipers.

Posted by: Okk the caveman at May 12, 2016 11:09 AM (kTF2Z)

216 Erdogun says Turkey "is ready to clean" the Syrian side of the border

Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 11:09 AM (vX2xA)

217 I think that CNN is trying to establish some credibility so that when they broadcast their partisan Democrat propaganda right before the election, people will actually pay attention to them.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 12, 2016 11:03 AM (QHgTq)

____

It's the Jon Stewart way. He'd make 20 Republican jokes for every Democrat joke. But whenever someone called him biased, he'd say, no way man, look at this long list of jokes I've made about Democrats. You're nuts.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 12, 2016 11:09 AM (0LHZx)

218 Posted by: AD at May 12, 2016 11:06 AM (CKXH7)
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Heh.....guess the Aztec gods were too busy being painted on the sides of vans, or tatooed on a roofer or something.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 12, 2016 11:10 AM (lutOX)

219 Pardon me, that was J.J not Kayne

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 12, 2016 11:10 AM (vvmPQ)

220 "Ray Jay. Forgettable rapper. "


Heh, I certainly don't remember the guy.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 12, 2016 11:10 AM (LA7Cm)

221 No one told me there would be ponies!

I want one!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 12, 2016 11:10 AM (NeFrd)

222 MisHum in the sidebar states that Trump has backed off of his muslim ban proposal. Here is the full quote:

"We have a serious problem, and it's a temporary ban -- it hasn't been called for yet, nobody's done it, this is just a suggestion until we find out what's going on," the presumptive Republican presidential nominee told Fox News Radio's Brian Kilmeade Wednesday.

He is saying that it's one method of handling the problem of islamic terror, and that he's willing to look at any option which could help combat it.

His language, in saying "it hasn't been called for yet" can be interpreted in many different ways, but it is not proof positive that he has backed off of his stance. He does not give up the main point, which is that we have a serious problem and we need to figure out a strategy for dealing with it.

He's attempting to garner public support for the idea of tackling the problem of jihad, and rather than tying any one policy around his neck and insisting it's his way or the highway, like any one of us or our stupid politicians would do and have done, he's trying to rally both sides of the political spectrum to the underlying idea.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 12, 2016 11:11 AM (xuouz)

223 Astigmatism is corrected now -- like all visual problems. Where would Hillary Clinton be without nearsightedness. Posted by: General Zod at May 12, 2016 11:05 AM (Bdeb0)
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Don't have a hearing aid yet to turn off, but I must admit that if I don't want to see something (like the wreck of my house right now), I just take off my glasses. There is a lot to recommend soft focus as far as optimism.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 12, 2016 11:11 AM (MIKMs)

224 The Kardashians are awful, for sure. But that we (not you and me, of course) give them attention for their not very attention worthy antics aside from what should be derision - well, we live in stupid times.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 11:11 AM (2Ocf1)

225 Pardon me again, Ray Jay. Can't keep those stupid rapper names straight.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 12, 2016 11:11 AM (vvmPQ)

226 Yup Grammie. It's sick

Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 11:11 AM (vX2xA)

227 "Alien vs Predator" is the most current cultural reference Spengler has ever made. His second most current would be Lord of the Rings. He didn't talk about the movies at all, but compared them to Wagner's operas.

My favorite dour curmudgeon.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 12, 2016 11:11 AM (VdICR)

228 If I painted Mrs Okk you all would think we were devil worshipers.

___________________________________________________


please continue

Posted by: Louis Cypere at May 12, 2016 11:12 AM (aQQbl)

229
Cynical of me, but I used to shrug my shoulders at Kim K and say "So she's a capitalist. If she can make a multimillion dollar fortune off a sex tape, more power to her."

I've changed my mind since learning that the Kardashians destroy lives for fame and profit.

http://nypost.com/2015/10/18/how-the-kardashians-destroy-peoples-lives-for-reality-ratings/

Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 11:13 AM (pC96u)

230 He didn't talk about the movies at all, but compared them to Wagner's operas.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 12, 2016 11:11 AM (VdICR)

There's plenty in the text of LOTR itself to make this comparison apt, but Howard Shore's score smashes you over the head with it.

In a good way.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 12, 2016 11:14 AM (xuouz)

231 What an abominable, horribly obese horse.


*****


Trigglypony

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 12, 2016 11:14 AM (NeFrd)

232 All the above said, cave art is haunting and beautiful. These were marks and signs left by people whose every breathing moment was a struggle for survival.

And, in the midst of all that hardship, some of them took the time and trouble to produce these images. Yes, beautiful.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 12, 2016 11:14 AM (lutOX)

233 I have a question for the Horde: The first reference
to a Kardashian in public life that I could find was that the father
(Robert) was BFF with O.J. Simpson and he was part of that whole 3-ring
circus. So, without that, he was just another L.A. B-lister. My question
is: without the O.J. fiasco, would the Kardashian daughters have become
the national pests they are today? Or, even without their father's
involvement in the trial, would they have hogged the celebrity spotlight
anyway?


Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 10:59 AM (BbOP


Others have responded already, and I guess the answer is, who knows. Any whore who plies her trade well enough can become famous. Apparently this family is comprised of a bunch of first-class whores.


So if the ignition point hadn't been OJ hacking a couple people to death, it could likely have been something else.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2016 11:14 AM (TOk1P)

234 You know somewhere in that cave was a Hugh Hefner type, in a caveman bathrobe, painting that month's caveboy cavemate.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 12, 2016 11:14 AM (JO9+V)

235 @234 there are several early sculptures of women with HUGE racks.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 11:15 AM (2Ocf1)

236 Trigglypony

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 12, 2016 11:14 AM (NeFrd)


Muldooned.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2016 11:15 AM (TOk1P)

237 Allegedly, Kim AND HER MOTHER decided Kim should do a sex tape to get famous. Her mother even made the deal that sold the tape. She was determined to be famous. She is a modern day courtesan or just another member of the worlds oldest profession. Ymmv

Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 11:04 AM (vX2xA)


So, from this and the other moron comments I've gotten on this, it's apparently the mother who's whoring her daughters for publicity. OK.

The recent FX miniseries about O.J.(which was excellent, by the way) portrays Robert Kardashian father as a deeply religious man. If that's true, I hope he was appalled, as the rest of us are, at what his family turned into after he and Kris were divorced.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 11:16 AM (BbOP8)

238 Know what I did yesterday? Made like I couldn't t speak English and stole some lady's credit cards! Ha Ha!

Posted by: Hispanic woman in Wisconsin at May 12, 2016 11:16 AM (kTF2Z)

239 Trigglypony.....
Alright Muldoon, That's a keeper.

Posted by: IP at May 12, 2016 11:17 AM (aQQbl)

240 All the men who tangle with the Kardashian chicks end up being disasters: Bruce Jenner = confused about his gender; Lamar Odom = sex/drug/alcohol; Kanye West = debt ridden.

Posted by: IC at May 12, 2016 11:17 AM (a0IVu)

241 The Kardashian clan pretty much messes up every man that comes in their orbit.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 11:17 AM (2Ocf1)

242
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 12, 2016 11:11 AM (xuouz)

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Trump hasn't backed off the ban. He's saying he'd like it to be a temporary thing, ultimately (and expeditiously) rendered unnecessary by a sane immigration policy.

In much the same way that chemjeff doesn't want to go on a permanent detox diet.

Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 11:17 AM (pC96u)

243 maybe he just wanted something nice to look at while he enjoyed some roast duck w/mango salsa.

Posted by: x at May 12, 2016 11:18 AM (nFwvY)

244 The pony is nice enough I suppose, but it sure ain't no Kokopelli the hump-backed flute player.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 12, 2016 11:18 AM (NeFrd)

245 IC, don't forget the Kardashian son, who has been mocked by his mother for fun and profit, and got his revenge by hooking up with some "musician" that the rest of his family hates.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at May 12, 2016 11:18 AM (FQKBL)

246 >Allegedly, Kim AND HER MOTHER decided Kim should do a sex tape to get famous.

If true, this is charming on several levels. "Hold my hair, Mom," the motley.

How much actual *time* do the "Burning Times" require?

Posted by: General Zod at May 12, 2016 11:18 AM (Bdeb0)

247 Joe at # 54 has nailed the abstract art scam.PT Barnum hit the nail on the head.Also liked the Peyton Manning comment.

Posted by: Pip McGuigen at May 12, 2016 11:19 AM (VCoSe)

248 235 @234 there are several early sculptures of women with HUGE racks.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 11:15 AM (2Ocf1)


There were many. However, if that's what they were for, somebody really liked hefty chicks back then.

Posted by: AD at May 12, 2016 11:19 AM (CKXH7)

249 You know somewhere in that cave was a Hugh Hefner type, in a caveman bathrobe, painting that month's caveboy cavemate.

Miss May 20,043 BC - Venus of Willendorf

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 12, 2016 11:19 AM (9krrF)

250 Don't even think it.

Posted by: GEICO Caveman at May 12, 2016 11:19 AM (JO9+V)

251 I should have known


Laura Rozen is on CNN. The whole reason for the story is to allow the media to rehabilitate itself by attacking the story

They are ONLY questioning reporters that are part of the echo chamber, to defend themselves

Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 11:20 AM (oIbYU)

252 Others have responded already, and I guess the answer is, who knows. Any whore who plies her trade well enough can become famous. Apparently this family is comprised of a bunch of first-class whores.



It took the daddy's national name recognizance to propel them that far. Otherwise, they still be Snookie - Jersey Shore trash.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 11:20 AM (Qq3ZN)

253 Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 11:17 AM (pC96u)
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I'd like to think we could do something like that, really, I do, but most likely we'll end up back at Fapplebee's, so to speak.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 12, 2016 11:20 AM (lutOX)

254 There were many. However, if that's what they were for, somebody really liked hefty chicks back then
_____________________________________________


Lancelot always says it takes a hefty pony to haul a hefty chick.

Posted by: King Arthur at May 12, 2016 11:20 AM (aQQbl)

255 Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 11:13 AM (pC96u)

I have, quite deliberately, kept myself ignorant of the Kardashians. I made it a quarter of the way through the article you linked to.

What human garbage.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 12, 2016 11:21 AM (u0lmX)

256 OT - The Hill has a video of Issa jumping over a fence to get to the GOP meeting this morning. To avoid protestors I am guessing. Ridiculous that they should be allowed to block passage.

Posted by: IC at May 12, 2016 11:21 AM (a0IVu)

257 254 There were many. However, if that's what they were for, somebody really liked hefty chicks back then
_____________________________________________


Lancelot always says it takes a hefty pony to haul a hefty chick.



Clydesdales were for dating.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 11:22 AM (Qq3ZN)

258
Robert Kardashian was an asshole and it is no surprise his kids turned out to be assholes. Greedy and immoral.

I laugh when they go to their pretend church once a year on Easter. They all wear white -- white slashed up jeans and crop tops. lol

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 12, 2016 11:22 AM (iQIUe)

259 You see some of those fat fertility goddess carvings and you begin to wonder.

Did the cavemen worship fat people? Or were they all starving and needed a fat goddess to pray to, "Please make us fat. We are tired of starving."

Or did they have a fat woman in the tribe, wife of the clan leader, who could order your death, and the carving was intended to win favor from the fat lady who had bewitched the tribal chieftain.

Or did they go through times of feast and famine and they prayed to the fat goddess to make them fat so they could survive the starving times.

Or were they cannibals and a fat woman was their idea of a great feast and they prayed for the good times to return.

Or they were all fat because the only people who survived the starving times were the ones with the fat gene.

Or had the SJW cult not been invented yet and body shaming wasn't taboo, and they were making fat jokes about the woman who ate all the food.

Posted by: Raymond Stegatorian at May 12, 2016 11:22 AM (VM+6B)

260
there are several early sculptures of women with HUGE racks.
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I'm guessing women in those days spent most of their lives pregnant and/or nursing. Every year of their reproductive capability was utilized, and they probably didn't make it to or much past menopause. Just guessing.

Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 11:22 AM (pC96u)

261 Well, since we've mentioned the Clintons, the Kardashians, and the Communist plans for Americca, seems like a good place for this:
http://www.barnhardt.biz/

She references them all. Long, but worth a listen.

Posted by: Sal at May 12, 2016 11:23 AM (MRX6w)

262 There were many. However, if that's what they were for, somebody really liked hefty chicks back then.

Posted by: AD at May 12, 2016 11:19 AM (CKXH7)

Hefty chicks were probably an exotic rarity back then.

Throughout most of human history, the great majority of people did not need diets, detox or otherwise, to stay thin. Their weight loss plan was called "daily life."

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 12, 2016 11:24 AM (u0lmX)

263 Missus and I did something cool at our cabin. We have some plywood window inserts that we use for really cold days and when we close the place down for the winter, about 3' by 4'. We got a book of authentic Southwest rock art (Kokopellis, mountain sheep, suns, thunderbirds, etc)

Then we gave each of our kids and other visitors to the cabin a board and a selection of brushes, sponges, paints, stains and other stuff, and each got to design their own panel in the style of ancient rock art.

Turned out pretty cool, and adds a personal touch to the decor.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 12, 2016 11:24 AM (NeFrd)

264 Others have responded already, and I guess the
answer is, who knows. Any whore who plies her trade well enough can
become famous. Apparently this family is comprised of a bunch of
first-class whores.


-------------------------------------------


It took the daddy's national name recognizance to propel them that far. Otherwise, they still be Snookie - Jersey Shore trash.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 11:20 AM (Qq3ZN)


That's a good comparison. It's funny, I have almost no real knowledge of celebrity culture these days. I watch movies/tv shows, and at least am aware of the names of some current musicians, but I pay almost no attention to the comings and goings of these people, in their daily lives.

That I know stuff about the Kardashian Klan Komics is an indictment of how thoroughly this stuff is foisted on us. I should know essentially nothing about them, because I spend no time trying to. And yet I do. That's horrifying to me.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2016 11:24 AM (TOk1P)

265 I highly, highly recommend Cave of Forgotten Dreams if you haven't seen it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 12, 2016 11:25 AM (mf5HN)

266 You see some of those fat fertility goddess carvings and you begin to wonder.

Did the cavemen worship fat people? Or were they all starving and needed a fat goddess to pray to, "Please make us fat. We are tired of starving."

Or did they have a fat woman in the tribe, wife of the clan leader, who could order your death, and the carving was intended to win favor from the fat lady who had bewitched the tribal chieftain.

Or did they go through times of feast and famine and they prayed to the fat goddess to make them fat so they could survive the starving times.

Or were they cannibals and a fat woman was their idea of a great feast and they prayed for the good times to return.

Or they were all fat because the only people who survived the starving times were the ones with the fat gene.



Fat equaled prosperity.
If you had THAT much to eat, you were prosperous.
You were a muy macho hunter/gatherer.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 11:25 AM (Qq3ZN)

267
I have, quite deliberately, kept myself ignorant of the Kardashians. I made it a quarter of the way through the article you linked to.

What human garbage.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 12, 2016 11:21 AM (u0lmX)
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Donna, I know what you mean. I found it illuminating because of my prior notions that it was all ultimately harmless. Consenting adults, etc. -- but it's not.

Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 11:25 AM (pC96u)

268 Fertility. Back then they knew a skinny chick wouldn't make it through the hard times and couldn't deliver the kids you needed to keep the tribe going.

Tells a lot about the priorities people had then. And have now.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 12, 2016 11:25 AM (9krrF)

269 Know what I did yesterday? Made like I couldn't t speak English and stole some lady's credit cards! Ha Ha!

Posted by: Hispanic woman in Wisconsin at May 12, 2016 11:16 AM (kTF2Z)
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I KNEW IT !

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2016 11:25 AM (dFi94)

270 I'd have titled it "Green (don't tell the colorblind)"

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 12, 2016 11:25 AM (R8ea6)

271 I was spending some time in the local art gallery today...

It's also called the Sherwin Williams store.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 12, 2016 11:26 AM (NNn0P)

272 239 Trigglypony.....

Damn you, Muldoon! I can't very well throw you off the thread, as I usually do, when I'm laughing my ass off.


Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 11:26 AM (BbOP8)

273 Hefty chicks were probably an exotic rarity back then.
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ahem... It's the Art Thread, shouldn't we use "Reubenesque"?

Posted by: IP at May 12, 2016 11:26 AM (aQQbl)

274 Hmm...Blue. Looks a lot like one at the MFA in Boston. One half yellow, one half white. Title?

Wait for it......

Yellow White.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2016 11:27 AM (bzd8I)

275 As a Flannery O'Connor character said (this quote is probably not 100% accurate -- someone can correct me):

"If I had wanted that picture, I would have drew it myself."

Posted by: Captain Oblivious at May 12, 2016 11:27 AM (UwQ7q)

276 Turned out pretty cool, and adds a personal touch to the decor.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 12, 2016 11:24 AM (NeFrd)
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Wow - so cool

Posted by: grammie winger at May 12, 2016 11:27 AM (dFi94)

277 268 Fertility. Back then they knew a skinny chick wouldn't make it through the hard times and couldn't deliver the kids you needed to keep the tribe going.

Tells a lot about the priorities people had then. And have now.



Wide hips = prime Iowa breedin stock.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 11:28 AM (Qq3ZN)

278 NONE of them criticize Ben Rhodes for characterizing them as shills. ALL of them crtisize the write of the piece

Posted by: ThunderB at May 12, 2016 11:28 AM (oIbYU)

279 How can you ask such a question? The first looks like it was drawn by a caveman while Yves Klein's work evokes the subtle nuances of modern life. Why blue? He is evoking the depressing state of modern life. It is blue everywhere because despair covers the modern landscape. But think about the shade of blue, why so bright? Is it because there is hope in the capitalist dystopia in which we live. The shade was chosen to evoke our primitive , animalistic thrall with the sea.



Posted by: Chicago Vota at May 12, 2016 11:28 AM (OC/e1)

280 Quaggas! Before they became extinct, of course.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 12, 2016 11:28 AM (uk/oG)

281 Pardon me again, Ray Jay. Can't keep those stupid rapper names straight.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 12, 2016 11:11 AM (vvmPQ)

It's difficult to keep the lineage of the Kardashian's straight.
Kris Jenner, Kim's mother and Kim's father, Robert Kardashian, divorced in 1991, when Kim was 11. Her mother married Jenner later that year. Jenner had two sons and a daughter from his previous marriage, and then Jenner and Kris had two daughters together, in addition to Kim, Khloe, Kourtney and Rob, Kris children from her marriage to Robert.

So sets the scene for the derangement to follow. Blended crazy families.
Robert Kardashian died of cancer in 2003.

Kim eloped in 2000 with music producer and that marriage ended in less than three years. Kim started dating the rapper Ray J , whom she made the sex tape with and distributed.She sued Vivid entertainment for distributing it, but dropped the suit after she was awarded $5M, LOL.
She married Kris Humphries, of NBA fame for 72 days in 2011. He sued for an annulment, citing fraud and even her publicist has said the wedding was staged.
She then married Kanye West and has two kids with him.
She is incredibly wealthy now, as is all of her family. All of this wealth comes from shoes, accessories, nude pictorials, television reality shows, bit parts in movies, perfume, clothing and other assorted celebrity status junk.

They will never go away. They will continue to do outtrageous thing after outrageous thing to line their pockets. Until Kris and Bruce have one too many surgeries and end up like the dead celebrities such as Joan Rivers, or Kanye's mother.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 12, 2016 11:29 AM (0Ryf6)

282 Too bad we can't put trigglypuff in a time machine and send her back to prehistoric times. She'd be a goddess.

However, I doubt that even people with the "fat gene" got all that fat. They just stored what little excess food they got more efficiently. It's not like they were able to get on the phone at any time and order 5 pizzas.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 12, 2016 11:29 AM (u0lmX)

283
Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 11:17 AM (pC96u)
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I'd like to think we could do something like that, really, I do, but most likely we'll end up back at Fapplebee's, so to speak.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 12, 2016 11:20 AM (lutOX)
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I reluctantly agree. Dining on toxins and narcotics.

Posted by: iforgot at May 12, 2016 11:29 AM (pC96u)

284 >>And yet I do. That's horrifying to me.

Same. It's because you cannot avoid them - the MSM so thoroughly forces them upon you that just standing in a grocery checkout line, or turning on the local a.m. news ensures that you are up to date on most of their latest shenanigans. The tabloidization of everything.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2016 11:29 AM (NOIQH)

285 Trigglypony.....

Damn you, Muldoon! I can't very well throw you off the thread, as I usually do, when I'm laughing my ass off.
Posted by: OregonMuse


*****


Right. Like you wouldn't have used it first if it had occurred to you.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 12, 2016 11:30 AM (NeFrd)

286 277, Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 11:28 AM (Qq3ZN)

I would have been hot stuff in cavemen days.

Posted by: IC at May 12, 2016 11:30 AM (a0IVu)

287 That I know stuff about the Kardashian Klan Komics is an indictment of how thoroughly this stuff is foisted on us. I should know essentially nothing about them, because I spend no time trying to. And yet I do. That's horrifying to me.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2016 11:24 AM (TOk1P)


I now believe royalty is one of life's inescapable concepts. Yes, I know our constitution explicitly forbids titles of nobility as our founders did want to inflict a whole class of degenerate, talentless, good-for-nothing sleazebags on the American citizenry, but it didn't work, we got one, anyway.

The Kennedys, the Kardashians, etc.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 11:30 AM (BbOP8)

288 How much actual *time* do the "Burning Times" require?

This is what Adam Smith meant when he said "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation." That a nation has a long way to fall. I mean, look how long the decline of the British Empire has taken. And for the most part, one can still live a pretty tolerable life in the UK.

I think people believe that the US is unique in many ways, and one of those ways is that the decline will result in one big break rather than decades of decline.

Hard to say. Sarah Hoyt wrote at Instapundit against the Let It Burn types (I count myself on Team LiB) that her experience in Portugal was with gradual decline - she called it "fraying."

Clearly we are fraying, the Kardashians are a sign - heck a lot of people would say that our choices for President are a sign. Will there be a sudden fracture? Don't know. The Burning Times may more likely be smoldering.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2016 11:31 AM (2Ocf1)

289 Art Art let a fart
Blew the whole damn thing apart

Posted by: ajmojo at May 12, 2016 11:31 AM (1H9ox)

290 Robert Kardashian was an asshole and it is no surprise his kids turned out to be assholes. Greedy and immoral.

You've got to wonder, if Robert Kardashian would have known what would become of his family, what would he have thought of that?

Would he have been horrified?

Was he so amoral that he'd have actually got off on this?

I have no idea.

Posted by: AD at May 12, 2016 11:31 AM (CKXH7)

291 Votermom, if you are still here, I am going to blame you for my dwindling bank account.

Too many good books!!!

Posted by: Moki at May 12, 2016 11:31 AM (ezHMO)

292 Right. Like you wouldn't have used it first if it had occurred to you.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 12, 2016 11:30 AM (NeFrd)


Shut up.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 11:31 AM (BbOP8)

293 Nood

Posted by: IC at May 12, 2016 11:31 AM (a0IVu)

294 I wonder if the girl on the flight from yesterday's post would have fondled that horse.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 12, 2016 11:32 AM (uk/oG)

295 Nood Paul Ryan plus Donald Trump

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at May 12, 2016 11:33 AM (dQJCS)

296 Brazil's leftist President being impeached for corruption and a decaying economy. From what I've read of Roussef, she is a piker compared to Ma Clinton and her gang.

Of course one of her claims is that it is because she is a wo-man.

Posted by: Cheri at May 12, 2016 11:33 AM (oiNtH)

297 You've got to wonder, if Robert Kardashian would have known what would become of his family, what would he have thought of that?
Would he have been horrified?
Was he so amoral that he'd have actually got off on this?
I have no idea.
Posted by: AD at May 12, 2016 11:31 AM (CKXH7)


If Robert was the deeply religious man as shown in the FX series on OJ, I would like to think he would be aghast, horrified, and appalled.

Would any father enjoy hearing that his daughter made a sex tape?

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 11:33 AM (BbOP8)

298 Wow - so cool


Posted by: grammie winger


*****


To be honest, it was all Missus Muldoon's idea. My only contribution was cutting the panels to the right size. But it was pretty fun learning about some of the SW native symbolism. My favorite was the heart line- a connection between the mouth and the heart (?esophagus?) that was frequently found in rock art of the SW.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 12, 2016 11:33 AM (NeFrd)

299 >>Clearly we are fraying...


I see the fraying more in the ever-creeping stories of inhuman crimes - the various knock-out victims (for being white and in the wrong place), the person murdered over road rage, etc. You get the feeling that once a society agrees to not value human life the weird shit starts happening.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2016 11:34 AM (NOIQH)

300 Clearly we are fraying, the Kardashians are a sign - heck a lot of people would say that our choices for President are a sign. Will there be a sudden fracture? Don't know. The Burning Times may more likely be smoldering.



Burning times should be after the fall and sudden stop.

The fall? Discretionary spending hits zero due to legally bound debt obligations.

The stop? EBT cards don't get reloaded.

The burning? Duh.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2016 11:34 AM (Qq3ZN)

301 I now believe royalty is one of life's inescapable concepts. Yes, I know our constitution explicitly forbids titles of nobility as our founders did want to inflict a whole class of degenerate, talentless, good-for-nothing sleazebags on the American citizenry, but it didn't work, we got one, anyway.

The Kennedys, the Kardashians, etc.
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 11:30 AM (BbOP



I agree.

This is where I bring up my completely uninformed belief that some of this is hard wired neurobiology.

There seems to be some kind of innate desire or necessity for the establishment of "royalty" of some type. Look at cliques in schools, for pity's sake. There is something in mankind that sets up a class system no matter the social setting or the political system.

After all, the Commies still had the nomenklatura.

I'm not saying this is a good thing but it does appear to be an is.

Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at May 12, 2016 11:35 AM (mf5HN)

302 282 Too bad we can't put trigglypuff in a time machine and send her back to prehistoric times. She'd be a goddess.

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what you want those genes propogated?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 12, 2016 11:35 AM (R8ea6)

303 Until Kris and Bruce have one too many surgeries and end up like the dead celebrities such as Joan Rivers, or Kanye's mother. Posted by: Jen the original at May 12, 2016 11:29 AM (0Ryf6)
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Dont include Joan Rivers in that group. She coded while having a biopsy of a growth on her vocal chords.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 12, 2016 11:36 AM (iQIUe)

304 The Kennedys, the Kardashians, etc.


Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 11:30 AM (BbOP

You know, if we have to have aristocrats, I prefer the old time Brit ones. A lot of those people were bastards too, but at least they had some sense of (public) decorum.

And occasionally they produced someone like Lord Byron or Winston Churchill or Alfred Tennyson.

Even the shady Borgias - the Mafiosi of the their day - coughed up a couple of saints and patrons of the arts.

I rather doubt that our white-trash-with-money clans are going to produce any great poets or statesmen any time soon.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 12, 2016 11:39 AM (u0lmX)

305 Would any father enjoy hearing that his daughter made a sex tape?
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2016 11:33 AM (BbOP

Interestingly, Kim graduated from a Roman Catholic all girls HS.
I believe his daughters are a product of their mother's influence and direction, their parents divorce and immediate remarriage to someone who was mentally ill, sudden enlargement of their immediate family by 50%, living near Hollywood, and the need for $$ to keep up with the neighborhood.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 12, 2016 11:39 AM (0Ryf6)

306 Too bad we can't put trigglypuff in a time machine and send her back to prehistoric times. She'd be a goddess.

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what you want those genes propogated?

Posted by: buzzsaw90


Don't be silly. Such symbolic perfection must be sacrificed back to the earth to ensure future fertility.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 12, 2016 11:40 AM (9krrF)

307
Kim and Khloe Kardashian have deformed asses from implants. It is unnatural, unhealthy, and ugly. Yet this shit gets promoted nonstop.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 12, 2016 11:40 AM (iQIUe)

308 If Kardashian was a deeply religious man he would not have been pals with OJ, who was a druggie and a wife beater. Kardashian knew OJ murdered 2 people and he did not give a shit and falsely pretended he was innocent.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 12, 2016 11:42 AM (iQIUe)

309 "Blue" is bullshit, not art.

Posted by: Drill at May 12, 2016 11:43 AM (6xR/B)

310 So the "elite" artists and galleries consistently produce crap like that color swatch, and "educators" can't for the life of them figure out why funding for art keeps getting cut in the schools.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 12, 2016 11:46 AM (Wckf4)

311 Dont include Joan Rivers in that group. She coded while having a biopsy of a growth on her vocal chords.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 12, 2016 11:36 AM (iQIUe)

No, she coded because her "personal" physician(you know, like we all have) decided to participate in her upper respiratory and larynx exam and twice inserted a scope, causing her vocal cords to swell. The anesthesiologist did not provide proper resuscitation, and because of the swelling, had extreme difficulty trying to intubate her when her O2 levels dropped. She went with extremely low levels of oxygen for something like 15 minutes, which caused irreversable brain damage.

I put Joan in that category, because she had innumerable plastic surgeries, which I believe caused her to become quite cavalier about surgery, thinking nothing ever goes wrong and why not have these types of surgeries and exams, at age 82, in a clinic instead of a hospital.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 12, 2016 11:47 AM (0Ryf6)

312 >>> That second painting is the electoral map of the USA in 20 years.
...

If we went by records instead of party labels, this would be the electoral map for the past 20 years.

The plaid maps are false advertising.

Posted by: Damiano at May 12, 2016 11:52 AM (71OEY)

313 Posted by: Damiano at May 12, 2016 11:52 AM (71OEY)
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Life imitates art...

They've gone to plaid!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at May 12, 2016 11:55 AM (lutOX)

314 >>> I rather doubt that our white-trash-with-money clans are going to produce any great poets or statesmen any time soon.
....

*clears throat*

There once was a man from Nankucket...

Posted by: Donald Trump, 21st Century Statesman at May 12, 2016 11:56 AM (71OEY)

315 Prehistoric times would have been an effective fat camp for those that survive it.

The fall of the Roman Empire was 100 to 160 years IIRC. We've been in actual decline for eight by my stringent standards, or since Vietnam by my loose standards. I don't think we could head in this direction for another 100 years, but things move faster these days. We have a long way to fall, but do not know it, and do not teach it.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 12, 2016 12:09 PM (VdICR)

316 We know where the Bugs Bunny cartoonists got their idea for the horse in their Wagner Ring Cycle cartoon

kill de wabbit, kill de wabbit...

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 12, 2016 12:16 PM (39g3+)

317 I am particularly fond of velvet Elvises and dogs playing poker. The prize of my art collection is an authentic Texas cow skull with on which is lovingly hand painted a picture of bluebonnets.
Best $15 I ever spent .

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at May 12, 2016 01:12 PM (ZOzmK)

318 You can lead a horse to art, but. . .

https://flic.kr/p/4wq6f6

Posted by: 2soonold2latesmart at May 12, 2016 01:50 PM (8rj0k)

319 I like the first one.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2016 01:53 PM (w4NZ8)

320 And everybody seems to have abandoned ship for the newest thread, but I'll put this here anyway-A "Holy Land Moments" devotional-The gift of empathy.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2016 01:57 PM (w4NZ8)

321 Whoops; Here's the link:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/h8fhrpm

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2016 02:02 PM (w4NZ8)

322 How can no one have quoted Chesterton yet?

"This sketch of the human story began in a cave; the cave which popular science associates with the cave-man and in which practical discovery has really found archaic drawings of animals. The second half of human history, which was like a new creation of the world, also begins in a cave. ...But in that second creation there was indeed something symbolical in the roots of the primeval rock or the horns of the prehistoric herd. God also was a Cave Man, and had also traced strange shapes of creatures, curiously colored upon the wall of the world ; but the pictures that he made had come to life."

from G.K. Chesteron's The Everlasting Man

Posted by: joeclark77 at May 12, 2016 02:07 PM (+AZKg)

323 "I got the horse right here;
"His name is Paul Revere,
"And there's a Cro-Magnon says if the weather's clear
"Can do . . . can do . . ."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 12, 2016 02:38 PM (uk/oG)

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