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Thursday Morning News Dump (5/5/16) [Mis. Hum.]
- ICMYI. Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays this couriers son from completion of his rounds. But a lack of votes knocks out Kasich.
- Canadian fire forces entire town to evacuate.
- Obama's redline is gone. Now it's magenta
- Appeasement works. NOT.
- Take 2 of these and call me in the morning.
- North Carolina a good place for business. Yes, HB2 was factored into the decision. H/T Mike Hammer
- Will North Carolina tell the Justice Department to go pound sand?
- Clinton's server hacked by Guccifer? Time will tell.
- When will they stop? Death by a thousand regulations.
- The cost of regulations.
- Obama administration continues to be a catalyst for gun sales.
- SCOTUS: IN-Cheerleader copy infringement OUT-$15/HR Minimum wage law.
- Who wants to see a 66 year old nude with flag and medal?
- Once again Congress abstains from their duties
- Give me your tired, your poor, your huddle masses yearning to suck on the welfare teat.
- Speaking of sucking off the American taxpayer.
- RIP former Utah Senator Bob Bennett
- Refusal to bake a cake isn't so bad after all.
- Cankles to be deposed?
- The NFL, what won't they police?
- There, there, pretty please don't do that again. Outrage award.
- Genius award.
- Feel good story of the day.
Comments
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One way to look at this is that the election is over and we can all go back to our lives now. Because no matter what happens, the next President of the United States is going to be a liberal New Yorker with a tiny penis.
Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 07:58 AM (O7MnT)
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Also, first and nood.
Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 07:58 AM (O7MnT)
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DAY 1,276
187 to go (260 to Inauguration Day )
Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, Mao-suits, McCain's, McConnell's, Mario's, Mahdi megatons, machiavellian Mississippi mudslingers, McAuliffe's, Maduro's, MIRV's, Mexifornians, McKesson's, Mizzou malefactors, mewling mattress-myth manufacturers, marriage maimers, menacing Mozillan 'mo's, Myrmidons, Mugwumps, Monrovian microbes, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, microaggressors, minions, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri, malfunctioning Moron microsites and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.
187 to go (260 to Inauguration Day )
Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, Mao-suits, McCain's, McConnell's, Mario's, Mahdi megatons, machiavellian Mississippi mudslingers, McAuliffe's, Maduro's, MIRV's, Mexifornians, McKesson's, Mizzou malefactors, mewling mattress-myth manufacturers, marriage maimers, menacing Mozillan 'mo's, Myrmidons, Mugwumps, Monrovian microbes, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, microaggressors, minions, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri, malfunctioning Moron microsites and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 05, 2016 08:01 AM (p4UlV)
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Finally! The day we've all waited for. The day when we commemorate all of the perversions possible to do with mayonnaise.
Little known fact: This special holiday's first name was "Mayo Ocho Cinco" when it was still thought that there were only 85 possible perversions possible to do with mayo, but after society decided to embrace whole heartedly the transgender lifestyle, myriads of new perversions, kept hidden by traditional societal norms, became suddenly acceptable.
So go to the fridge and join the celebration!
Little known fact: This special holiday's first name was "Mayo Ocho Cinco" when it was still thought that there were only 85 possible perversions possible to do with mayo, but after society decided to embrace whole heartedly the transgender lifestyle, myriads of new perversions, kept hidden by traditional societal norms, became suddenly acceptable.
So go to the fridge and join the celebration!
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 08:02 AM (4ng05)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 05, 2016 08:02 AM (p4UlV)
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>>>...the next President of the United States is going to be a liberal New Yorker with a tiny penis.
Oh, not so tiny, but rather "filling" and battery-powered.....VERY "filling", indeed......*deep, contented, breathless sigh*
Oh, not so tiny, but rather "filling" and battery-powered.....VERY "filling", indeed......*deep, contented, breathless sigh*
Posted by: Huma Abedin at May 05, 2016 08:03 AM (lmPMy)
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News! Yay!
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 08:04 AM (10hEu)
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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 05, 2016 08:02 AM (p4UlV)
Will the GOPe fly in a small plane to attend?
Sounds tacky, but I was asking for a friend.
Will the GOPe fly in a small plane to attend?
Sounds tacky, but I was asking for a friend.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 08:04 AM (voOPb)
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One way to look at this is that the election is over and we can all go back to our lives now. Because no matter what happens, the next President of the United States is going to be a liberal New Yorker with a tiny penis.
Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 07:58 AM (O7MnT)
As opposed to the liberal Washingonians who occupy positions of leadership in both Houses, both Parties.
Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 07:58 AM (O7MnT)
As opposed to the liberal Washingonians who occupy positions of leadership in both Houses, both Parties.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 08:05 AM (Dj0WE)
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>>>
1 One way to look at this is that the election is over and we can all go back to our lives now. Because no matter what happens, the next President of the United States is going to be a liberal New Yorker with a tiny penis.
Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 07:58 AM (O7MnT)
________
I am Making America Swole Again - starting with that which is More than Adequate
1 One way to look at this is that the election is over and we can all go back to our lives now. Because no matter what happens, the next President of the United States is going to be a liberal New Yorker with a tiny penis.
Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 07:58 AM (O7MnT)
________
I am Making America Swole Again - starting with that which is More than Adequate
Posted by: Donald Pump at May 05, 2016 08:05 AM (10hEu)
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GOOD MORNING!!!!
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 08:06 AM (pC96u)
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Happy Cinco de Quattro!
Posted by: Barky McPhuckstick at May 05, 2016 08:06 AM (9eYoy)
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Now that Trump will in all likelihood become the nominee, he'll get my vote, and if he wins I will be there to constantly yank at his horrible hairpiece to demand he does the right things.
I hope that his minions and the rest of us do the same, because his natural instinct will be to veer ever leftward. It's who he is politically. And anyone who says otherwise is a moron. And not the AOSHQ variety either.
Fair warning.
Now that Trump will in all likelihood become the nominee, he'll get my vote, and if he wins I will be there to constantly yank at his horrible hairpiece to demand he does the right things.
I hope that his minions and the rest of us do the same, because his natural instinct will be to veer ever leftward. It's who he is politically. And anyone who says otherwise is a moron. And not the AOSHQ variety either.
Fair warning.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 05, 2016 08:06 AM (p4UlV)
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Donald Trump Black Version - Personal fantasy and a Sweet Song
Posted by: Milo Yiannopoulos at May 05, 2016 08:08 AM (10hEu)
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>>>I hope that his minions and the rest of us do the same, because his natural instinct will be to veer ever leftward.
Ha, with Speaker Ryan and Leader McConnell, damn, I'm glad I didn't have coffee in my mouth
Ha, with Speaker Ryan and Leader McConnell, damn, I'm glad I didn't have coffee in my mouth
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 08:08 AM (voOPb)
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8 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 05, 2016 08:02 AM (p4UlV)
Will the GOPe fly in a small plane to attend?
Sounds tacky, but I was asking for a friend.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 08:04 AM (voOPb)
Now that I think about it, I know they are going to do every damn thing they can to unseat Mike Lee. You think they hate Cruz, Mike Lee's conservative rating is at or near 100%.
Will the GOPe fly in a small plane to attend?
Sounds tacky, but I was asking for a friend.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 08:04 AM (voOPb)
Now that I think about it, I know they are going to do every damn thing they can to unseat Mike Lee. You think they hate Cruz, Mike Lee's conservative rating is at or near 100%.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 05, 2016 08:08 AM (p4UlV)
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The Cankles to be deposed? link links to the wrong link.
The Cankles to be deposed? link links to the wrong link.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 08:08 AM (pC96u)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at May 05, 2016 08:08 AM (OLNwX)
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Oh, not so tiny, but rather "filling" and battery-powered.....VERY "filling", indeed......*deep, contented, breathless sigh*
Posted by: Huma Abedin at May 05, 2016 08:03 AM (lmPMy)
Anyone can bring in a machine, fake Hooma. No, Hillory's is the saggy, pendulous female bean that frankly, grows longer as she ages.
The sort of thing that causes gynecologists to feel vomitous. I'm sure her gyno drinks heavily after her visits.
Oh, not so tiny, but rather "filling" and battery-powered.....VERY "filling", indeed......*deep, contented, breathless sigh*
Posted by: Huma Abedin at May 05, 2016 08:03 AM (lmPMy)
Anyone can bring in a machine, fake Hooma. No, Hillory's is the saggy, pendulous female bean that frankly, grows longer as she ages.
The sort of thing that causes gynecologists to feel vomitous. I'm sure her gyno drinks heavily after her visits.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 05, 2016 08:09 AM (Dj0WE)
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15 >>>I hope that his minions and the rest of us do the same, because his natural instinct will be to veer ever leftward.
Ha, with Speaker Ryan and Leader McConnell, damn, I'm glad I didn't have coffee in my mouth
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 08:08 AM (voOPb)
I'm fucking dead serious. If he's the outsider who'll get things done, then he's damn well better get things done. The things we want. I am not joking.
Feet will be held to the fire.
Ha, with Speaker Ryan and Leader McConnell, damn, I'm glad I didn't have coffee in my mouth
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 08:08 AM (voOPb)
I'm fucking dead serious. If he's the outsider who'll get things done, then he's damn well better get things done. The things we want. I am not joking.
Feet will be held to the fire.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 05, 2016 08:10 AM (p4UlV)
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How can a "successful" businessman know so little about so much?
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 05, 2016 08:10 AM (U+nHb)
Posted by: t-bird at May 05, 2016 08:11 AM (OLNwX)
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g'mornin', 'rons
Posted by: AltonJackson at May 05, 2016 08:11 AM (4gN5w)
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@9
I think he's just getting misty for all of the "CON-servstive" governance and policies the GOP has churned out during their control of Congress for 18 of the last 22 years.
Oh wait??
I think he's just getting misty for all of the "CON-servstive" governance and policies the GOP has churned out during their control of Congress for 18 of the last 22 years.
Oh wait??
Posted by: Kreplach at May 05, 2016 08:11 AM (UgU+f)
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In Kenya it's not so much the exams that reveal your sexuality it's whether you ask for more.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2016 08:11 AM (l1pkh)
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Yesterday was Holocaust Remembrance Day. Meant to post it.
Please take a moment to pause and say a prayer.
Yesterday was Holocaust Remembrance Day. Meant to post it.
Please take a moment to pause and say a prayer.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 05, 2016 08:11 AM (p4UlV)
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I love that the Obama Admin is going after NC for "violating Title VII..." blah, blah, blah. Quite ironic coming from an administration that has routinely ignored written law on countless occasions. I'm desperately hoping for a McRory pound sand option as a means of handling this.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at May 05, 2016 08:12 AM (+FSld)
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"Secretary of State John Kerry imposed an August deadline..."
"Secretary of State John F. Kerry vowed Tuesday not to allow Syria's largest city and onetime moderate opposition stronghold of Aleppo to fall to the regime of Syrian president Bashar Assad"
"John Kerry to decide if iSIS. . ."
Gentlemen, I rise to a point of order. John Kerry doesn't make these decisions. He is only SOS not POTUS. Obama makes these decisions.
"Secretary of State John F. Kerry vowed Tuesday not to allow Syria's largest city and onetime moderate opposition stronghold of Aleppo to fall to the regime of Syrian president Bashar Assad"
"John Kerry to decide if iSIS. . ."
Gentlemen, I rise to a point of order. John Kerry doesn't make these decisions. He is only SOS not POTUS. Obama makes these decisions.
Posted by: Loran Gerban at May 05, 2016 08:13 AM (pCm/c)
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Shout out to all of Obama's best friends:
https://tinyurl.com/jgerhn9
Iranium - 30 Years of Terror.
I see where Clapper stated that ISIS has the ability to carry out multiple attacks in this country with mass casualties.
Well, at least we can still celebrate mayonnaise.
https://tinyurl.com/jgerhn9
Iranium - 30 Years of Terror.
I see where Clapper stated that ISIS has the ability to carry out multiple attacks in this country with mass casualties.
Well, at least we can still celebrate mayonnaise.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 08:13 AM (4ng05)
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I question the timing!
Well, really. Cruz and Kasich dropping out at the same time - shortly after a closed-door meeting with GOP leadership. It was framed in the news as them "pitching support for delegates in a contested convention" but who's to say what they were told and why? This was mid-April, about 2 weeks previous.
Well, really. Cruz and Kasich dropping out at the same time - shortly after a closed-door meeting with GOP leadership. It was framed in the news as them "pitching support for delegates in a contested convention" but who's to say what they were told and why? This was mid-April, about 2 weeks previous.
Posted by: Bigby's Minute Hand at May 05, 2016 08:13 AM (3ZtZW)
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Gentlemen, I rise to a point of order. John Kerry doesn't make these decisions. He is only SOS not POTUS. Obama makes these decisions.
Posted by: Loran Gerban at May 05, 2016 08:13 AM (pCm/c)
Nonsense, Obama doesn't make these decisions...
Posted by: Loran Gerban at May 05, 2016 08:13 AM (pCm/c)
Nonsense, Obama doesn't make these decisions...
Posted by: The Iranian Shadow President, ValJar at May 05, 2016 08:15 AM (Dj0WE)
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Puce. It's puce.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 05, 2016 08:16 AM (ry34m)
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The Guccifer story -- I mean the whooooole story, not just Herridge's article -- is still full of contradictions and unanswered questions and unasked followup questions. We're just not going to know anything until Comey or some federal prosecutor calls a press conference.
The Guccifer story -- I mean the whooooole story, not just Herridge's article -- is still full of contradictions and unanswered questions and unasked followup questions. We're just not going to know anything until Comey or some federal prosecutor calls a press conference.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 08:18 AM (pC96u)
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If Obama hated our enemies as much as he hates 1/2 of America I'd sleep soundly....
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:18 AM (g8Hfr)
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One thousand cuts. Yep...
>and tells restaurants not to use plus or minus signs on their menus because they are too "confusing" to Americans.
So sad.
>and tells restaurants not to use plus or minus signs on their menus because they are too "confusing" to Americans.
So sad.
Posted by: Golfman at May 05, 2016 08:18 AM (jIgQw)
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Figured I'd get in and say hi before the two-line article on The Hag followed by ad nauseum, anti-Trump posts start.
Honestly, it's really time for some intellectual soul-searching.
Honestly, it's really time for some intellectual soul-searching.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 05, 2016 08:19 AM (O0lVq)
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Okay kids. I've got an assignment due today and I want to get some bodging time in the studio.
Later!
Later!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 05, 2016 08:19 AM (p4UlV)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 05, 2016 08:19 AM (UpGcq)
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My generation of soldier had to have an anal retentivity test as part of the price of admission...
"Dr Glove"
"Dr Glove"
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:20 AM (g8Hfr)
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Gentlemen, I rise to a point of order. John Kerry doesn't make these decisions. He is only SOS not POTUS. Obama makes these decisions.
It's called Leading From Behind TM.
It's called Leading From Behind TM.
Posted by: Reggie at May 05, 2016 08:20 AM (9eYoy)
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I hope that his minions and the rest of us do the same, because his natural instinct will be to veer ever leftward. It's who he is politically.
--
As Rush has said repeatedly, Trump is not an ideologue. I don't think he really has much grasp on how the left-leaning views he likely holds is so detrimental to a free country. He's very focused on America first from a business perspective, without having much grasp on what's really been happening to individual liberty in this country and our astroglide into socialism. I see little to no evidence he's made that connection in any sense, or that he understands the limits of the Constitution and why those limits are there.
--
As Rush has said repeatedly, Trump is not an ideologue. I don't think he really has much grasp on how the left-leaning views he likely holds is so detrimental to a free country. He's very focused on America first from a business perspective, without having much grasp on what's really been happening to individual liberty in this country and our astroglide into socialism. I see little to no evidence he's made that connection in any sense, or that he understands the limits of the Constitution and why those limits are there.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at May 05, 2016 08:20 AM (+FSld)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 08:21 AM (voOPb)
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I got willowed on the dual purpose ONT/EMT -
510 Now that idiot Trump is talking about minimum wage??? A real conservative would say, "it's not the governments job to make wage levels in private businesses. Period."
You'd think as a businessman he's know that.
Pure (ish) conservatism ran for office in the form of Ted Cruz.
It couldn't get past the primaries.
Our nation basically consists of Wal Martians who exist for their own pleasure, their own interests and their own selfish, piggish desires. They want it now and they want it 'free'.
Conservatism can't win with that mindset. It is wrong to say that there are no patriots left. But we are the shrinking minority.
Hate him personally all you want but what he is doing is purely pragmetic. He is not a businessman right now. He is a politician.
What Trump is doing is rhetorically similar to what every candidate does did in order to win.
"Do you support x or y?"
"I support x and y and whatever people who might vote for me want."
He is not playing to you. Or anybody like you.
Why? Because you are already in the bag. Or you're not.
He can't take giant dump on the minimum wage without losing the votes of at least some percentage of Bernie's more libertarian disaffected millenials.
It's a helluva a lot smarter than , oh I don't know, getting branded as the guy who wants to destroy tampons?
You handle that kind of silly BS by nuking it in the cradle.
Trump/Cruz 2016
510 Now that idiot Trump is talking about minimum wage??? A real conservative would say, "it's not the governments job to make wage levels in private businesses. Period."
You'd think as a businessman he's know that.
Pure (ish) conservatism ran for office in the form of Ted Cruz.
It couldn't get past the primaries.
Our nation basically consists of Wal Martians who exist for their own pleasure, their own interests and their own selfish, piggish desires. They want it now and they want it 'free'.
Conservatism can't win with that mindset. It is wrong to say that there are no patriots left. But we are the shrinking minority.
Hate him personally all you want but what he is doing is purely pragmetic. He is not a businessman right now. He is a politician.
What Trump is doing is rhetorically similar to what every candidate does did in order to win.
"Do you support x or y?"
"I support x and y and whatever people who might vote for me want."
He is not playing to you. Or anybody like you.
Why? Because you are already in the bag. Or you're not.
He can't take giant dump on the minimum wage without losing the votes of at least some percentage of Bernie's more libertarian disaffected millenials.
It's a helluva a lot smarter than , oh I don't know, getting branded as the guy who wants to destroy tampons?
You handle that kind of silly BS by nuking it in the cradle.
Trump/Cruz 2016
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:21 AM (Gwldq)
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Not around much after 7AM normally.
Great job with the Dump, MisHum. I know that's a lot of work.
If the average American would just use the fine reportage of Vic and MisHum, we'd have a lot easier time.
Great job with the Dump, MisHum. I know that's a lot of work.
If the average American would just use the fine reportage of Vic and MisHum, we'd have a lot easier time.
Posted by: Golfman at May 05, 2016 08:21 AM (jIgQw)
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is=are {groan}
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at May 05, 2016 08:21 AM (+FSld)
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"Obama administration continues to be a catalyst for gun sales."
I hope people are considering the value of buying used from private sellers.
All the jokes about unfortunate canoe accidents aside, it really is likely that the government will try to confiscate all the guns they know about.
I hope people are considering the value of buying used from private sellers.
All the jokes about unfortunate canoe accidents aside, it really is likely that the government will try to confiscate all the guns they know about.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 05, 2016 08:22 AM (eHpnh)
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38 Morning!
I got nuthin'.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 05, 2016 08:19 AM (UpGcq)
You're here!! Yay!
That's something
I got nuthin'.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 05, 2016 08:19 AM (UpGcq)
You're here!! Yay!
That's something
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 08:22 AM (voOPb)
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Honestly, it's really time for some intellectual soul-searching.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 05, 2016 08:19 AM (O0lVq)
We're way past that now.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 05, 2016 08:19 AM (O0lVq)
We're way past that now.
Posted by: Golfman at May 05, 2016 08:22 AM (jIgQw)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 08:22 AM (voOPb)
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Mortimer @ 43, this is just a long spin attempting to justify the pandering of politicians.
I
thought we used to believe around here, even among the pro-Trump
segment, that Republicans should not engage in a bidding war with
Democrats about how much free shit to give away, because the Democrats
will always win that bidding war. Now you are saying "oh sure, if Joe
Sixpack wants free shit, the Republicans should totally pander to him,
because they aren't going to get his vote otherwise"?
I
thought we used to believe around here, even among the pro-Trump
segment, that Republicans should not engage in a bidding war with
Democrats about how much free shit to give away, because the Democrats
will always win that bidding war. Now you are saying "oh sure, if Joe
Sixpack wants free shit, the Republicans should totally pander to him,
because they aren't going to get his vote otherwise"?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 08:23 AM (uAvJJ)
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I'm fucking dead serious. If he's the outsider who'll get things done, then he's damn well better get things done. The things we want. I am not joking.
====
He has a lot of common sense, minus ideology. He might be what you would call "liberal" [not disagreeing precisely] but he's also not an ideological liberal.
If "conservatism" - the original kind, not the calcified ideology that passes for it now - is nothing more than common sense spoken aloud, then maybe leave room to be pleasantly surprised.
====
He has a lot of common sense, minus ideology. He might be what you would call "liberal" [not disagreeing precisely] but he's also not an ideological liberal.
If "conservatism" - the original kind, not the calcified ideology that passes for it now - is nothing more than common sense spoken aloud, then maybe leave room to be pleasantly surprised.
Posted by: Bigby's Minute Hand at May 05, 2016 08:23 AM (3ZtZW)
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46 Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 05, 2016 08:22 AM (eHpnh)
"good luck"
Ogabe has sold a trillion dollars worth of guns easy.
"good luck"
Ogabe has sold a trillion dollars worth of guns easy.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:23 AM (g8Hfr)
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>>>Nonsense, Obama doesn't make these decisions...
Posted by: The Iranian Shadow President, ValJar at May 05, 2016 08:15 AM (Dj0WE)
NOT TRUE! NOT TRUE! I make very crucial decisions all the time!!
Can I play "18 holes-in-one" with Reggie today, Valerie? Can I? Please, can I?
You PROMISED yesterday I could! *stamps feet*
Posted by: The Iranian Shadow President, ValJar at May 05, 2016 08:15 AM (Dj0WE)
NOT TRUE! NOT TRUE! I make very crucial decisions all the time!!
Can I play "18 holes-in-one" with Reggie today, Valerie? Can I? Please, can I?
You PROMISED yesterday I could! *stamps feet*
Posted by: POTUS Barry Le Petomane 0Bama at May 05, 2016 08:24 AM (lmPMy)
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50
Mortimer @ 43, this is just a long spin attempting to justify the pandering of politicians.
I am NOT justifying anything, chemjeff. All politicians suck. ALL.
I am dealing with reality.
You should try it sometime.
Mortimer @ 43, this is just a long spin attempting to justify the pandering of politicians.
I am NOT justifying anything, chemjeff. All politicians suck. ALL.
I am dealing with reality.
You should try it sometime.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:24 AM (Gwldq)
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In the popcorn segment:
Chris Matthews caught on hot mic while watching Melania Trump:
"Did you see her walk? Runway walk. My God is that good," Matthews could be heard saying. "I could watch that runway show."
Chris Matthews caught on hot mic while watching Melania Trump:
"Did you see her walk? Runway walk. My God is that good," Matthews could be heard saying. "I could watch that runway show."
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:26 AM (nbrY/)
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54 Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:24 AM (Gwldq)
Nah Gary Johnson will fix it all comrade.
It's funny, I am not going to be the sleep-deprived addle brained poster this cycle....
All politicians are assholes, period and Trump fulfills every point the "Smart not So-Con" GOPers said they wanted post 08 and 12...
and they are still not happy.
Nah Gary Johnson will fix it all comrade.
It's funny, I am not going to be the sleep-deprived addle brained poster this cycle....
All politicians are assholes, period and Trump fulfills every point the "Smart not So-Con" GOPers said they wanted post 08 and 12...
and they are still not happy.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:26 AM (g8Hfr)
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55 Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:26 AM (nbrY/)
Tingles skeezes on anything with a heartbeat.
Tingles skeezes on anything with a heartbeat.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:27 AM (g8Hfr)
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>>>
55 In the popcorn segment:
Chris Matthews caught on hot mic while watching Melania Trump:
"Did you see her walk? Runway walk. My God is that good," Matthews could be heard saying. "I could watch that runway show."
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:26 AM (nbrY/)
_________
It -was- good, but not a leg thrill
55 In the popcorn segment:
Chris Matthews caught on hot mic while watching Melania Trump:
"Did you see her walk? Runway walk. My God is that good," Matthews could be heard saying. "I could watch that runway show."
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:26 AM (nbrY/)
_________
It -was- good, but not a leg thrill
Posted by: Chris Matthews at May 05, 2016 08:27 AM (10hEu)
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Do you really believe that chest thumping and pounding home free-market conservative principles is going to win over the LIV/FSA mob and usher in the new era of Reagan?
Put down the university bubble bong.
Put down the university bubble bong.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:27 AM (Gwldq)
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Off the cuff observation:
This election cycle, I think, is exposing something that has been submerged for quite a while now and that is how irrelevant and outmoded the 'two party' system has become - at least with respect to the current two parties.
There aren't just two major opposing political points of view anymore and it's becoming increasingly difficult to shoehorn American's into the parties as they are now structured. The system worked well, especially for politicians for decades, but the belief sets espoused by them are as antiquated as my three year old desktop.
I think that it may be possible at some point in the future, for the varied belief sets to recoalesce into two parties, but for right now, I don't think either of the parties hold much actual relevance to the beliefs of the constituences they purport to serve. Political insiders, I think, over the years have assumed too much power upon themselves and have acted - been allowed to act - too independently from the members of their parties and they have crafted a political culture that serves them and their beneficiaries and benefactors, at the expense of actual constituents.
And this is yet another reason to celebrate this special mayonnaise holiday.
This election cycle, I think, is exposing something that has been submerged for quite a while now and that is how irrelevant and outmoded the 'two party' system has become - at least with respect to the current two parties.
There aren't just two major opposing political points of view anymore and it's becoming increasingly difficult to shoehorn American's into the parties as they are now structured. The system worked well, especially for politicians for decades, but the belief sets espoused by them are as antiquated as my three year old desktop.
I think that it may be possible at some point in the future, for the varied belief sets to recoalesce into two parties, but for right now, I don't think either of the parties hold much actual relevance to the beliefs of the constituences they purport to serve. Political insiders, I think, over the years have assumed too much power upon themselves and have acted - been allowed to act - too independently from the members of their parties and they have crafted a political culture that serves them and their beneficiaries and benefactors, at the expense of actual constituents.
And this is yet another reason to celebrate this special mayonnaise holiday.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 08:28 AM (4ng05)
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It -was- good, but not a leg thrill
Posted by: Chris Matthews at May 05, 2016 08:27 AM (10hEu)
Speak for yourself old crust
Posted by: Ed Henry
Posted by: Chris Matthews at May 05, 2016 08:27 AM (10hEu)
Speak for yourself old crust
Posted by: Ed Henry
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 08:28 AM (voOPb)
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58 Posted by: Chris Matthews at May 05, 2016 08:27 AM (10hEu)
Well we know you are not "straight STRAIGHT" Chris...
Well we know you are not "straight STRAIGHT" Chris...
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:28 AM (g8Hfr)
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It's funny, I am not going to be the sleep-deprived addle brained poster this cycle....
Smart man!
Those day are over for me too.
At this point in history, politicians are just dogs fighting over the dessicated remains.
It's funny, I am not going to be the sleep-deprived addle brained poster this cycle....
Smart man!
Those day are over for me too.
At this point in history, politicians are just dogs fighting over the dessicated remains.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:29 AM (Gwldq)
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@24 Kreplach-Where has anybody here at AoS or anybody else that IS a conservative for that matter even claimed that the Repubs in power are conservative(s). You have heard of the TEA party and how it came to be don't you? Conservatives pissed off with Repukes. Why don't you stick to pimping that idiot you have fallen for, cling to your cult. You're a fraud just like your candidate, sticking out your hand as a gesture of goodwill yesterday, today right back at it spouting off about CON-servatives.
Posted by: JROD at May 05, 2016 08:29 AM (wnwJC)
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The Chicago city government ran an ad campaign recently that badmouthed North Carolina because of their anti-pervert law.
Stay away from that state that doesn't let nancyboys whip their dicks out in front of your young daughters! Instead, come to a city that has had 1,000 shootings in the first four months of the year!
Stay away from that state that doesn't let nancyboys whip their dicks out in front of your young daughters! Instead, come to a city that has had 1,000 shootings in the first four months of the year!
Posted by: CrustyB at May 05, 2016 08:29 AM (Hnglq)
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59 Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:27 AM (Gwldq)
"Free Shit For All"
I mean it is not like we are the most indebted nation in the history of mankind or something.
"Free Shit For All"
I mean it is not like we are the most indebted nation in the history of mankind or something.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:29 AM (g8Hfr)
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Interesting reading if you can track it down.
Institute Of Pacific Relations
Report of the Judiciary
Eighty Second Congress
Second Session
Pursuant to
S. RES. 366
(81st Congress)
A resolution relating to the internal security of the United States
Hearings held July 25, 1951 - June 20th 1952
Internal Security Committee
Institute Of Pacific Relations
Report of the Judiciary
Eighty Second Congress
Second Session
Pursuant to
S. RES. 366
(81st Congress)
A resolution relating to the internal security of the United States
Hearings held July 25, 1951 - June 20th 1952
Internal Security Committee
Posted by: MarkC at May 05, 2016 08:30 AM (iWFQR)
Posted by: t-bird at May 05, 2016 08:31 AM (w/iDp)
Posted by: Chris Matthews at May 05, 2016 08:31 AM (c6/9Q)
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:32 AM (Gwldq)
Posted by: steevy at May 05, 2016 08:32 AM (B48dK)
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69 Posted by: Chris Matthews at May 05, 2016 08:31 AM (c6/9Q)
Bananas coming and going!
It's raining men...hallelujah@!
//David Brooks
Bananas coming and going!
It's raining men...hallelujah@!
//David Brooks
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:33 AM (g8Hfr)
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@43 I read what Trump said it it goes more like this:
Q: Bernie is offering people $15 min wage. What will you offer?
Trump (crude paraphrase):
Bernie is saying you can't live on $7.10/hour and he has a point.
(Bypass the competition's product and talk about customer need)
We're looking into that
(We have our own product)
We will have so many jobs that people will be making much much more than $15 / hour
(And our product will be much better)
Microsoft used to do a lot of this vaporware stuff when they were not quite ready and the competition already had the product out. It worked to some extent
Q: Bernie is offering people $15 min wage. What will you offer?
Trump (crude paraphrase):
Bernie is saying you can't live on $7.10/hour and he has a point.
(Bypass the competition's product and talk about customer need)
We're looking into that
(We have our own product)
We will have so many jobs that people will be making much much more than $15 / hour
(And our product will be much better)
Microsoft used to do a lot of this vaporware stuff when they were not quite ready and the competition already had the product out. It worked to some extent
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:34 AM (nbrY/)
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MarkC -- no link
Posted by: Jean at May 05, 2016 08:34 AM (cXiMR)
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>>We're way past that now.
Posted by: Golfman at May 05, 2016 08:22 AM (jIgQw)
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No, we are really not and frankly I'm a bit sick of it.
People purport to want to win, because Democrats win at all costs and then stomp on every one of us. Most people's families are hurting financially and can't figure out the future. A few months ago some people wanted to burn it down. Now all of a sudden, they are going to be clarion horns telling us how the antichrist has just been nominated, and therefore implying the autocratic, socialist bent coming from Democrats and their candidate might not be that bad.
Sure thing ignorant asshole.
I don't particularly understand the Trump phenomena, but then, I still don't understand the two terms of Obama. But that's politics.
I voted for Cruz. He lost. Now I will stick with Trump. The guy is breaking turnout records and winning demographics we have not in some time. Again, I don't get it. But his message is appealing to a large swath of voters.
Do we need more? Well, sure. He has work to do.
But instead of some introspection, we have garbage posing as intellectual decisions and the ethereal "principle" trope being thrown out by so-called "conservative" sites for whom I now have as much respect as I do for liberals. We have post after post here now virtually doing the same, yet very little on the mountain of material against The Hag.
And I'm sorry for the rant, but I am tired of watching my friends and neighbors suffer while a bunch of people with no temerity, balls, brass or foresight sit around actively working against the one chance we have.
There are and have been a lot of good people who post here, and I mean that as no insult to them. I've just had it with the illogical idiocy.
Posted by: Golfman at May 05, 2016 08:22 AM (jIgQw)
<<
No, we are really not and frankly I'm a bit sick of it.
People purport to want to win, because Democrats win at all costs and then stomp on every one of us. Most people's families are hurting financially and can't figure out the future. A few months ago some people wanted to burn it down. Now all of a sudden, they are going to be clarion horns telling us how the antichrist has just been nominated, and therefore implying the autocratic, socialist bent coming from Democrats and their candidate might not be that bad.
Sure thing ignorant asshole.
I don't particularly understand the Trump phenomena, but then, I still don't understand the two terms of Obama. But that's politics.
I voted for Cruz. He lost. Now I will stick with Trump. The guy is breaking turnout records and winning demographics we have not in some time. Again, I don't get it. But his message is appealing to a large swath of voters.
Do we need more? Well, sure. He has work to do.
But instead of some introspection, we have garbage posing as intellectual decisions and the ethereal "principle" trope being thrown out by so-called "conservative" sites for whom I now have as much respect as I do for liberals. We have post after post here now virtually doing the same, yet very little on the mountain of material against The Hag.
And I'm sorry for the rant, but I am tired of watching my friends and neighbors suffer while a bunch of people with no temerity, balls, brass or foresight sit around actively working against the one chance we have.
There are and have been a lot of good people who post here, and I mean that as no insult to them. I've just had it with the illogical idiocy.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 05, 2016 08:34 AM (O0lVq)
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As long as Trump doesn't come out and say the federal minimum wage should be raised I don't have a problem with him triangulating the issue.
States and localities can and should be able to do what they want with regards to wages, because 10th amendment.
States and localities can and should be able to do what they want with regards to wages, because 10th amendment.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 05, 2016 08:35 AM (UgU+f)
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Now look at it from the minimum wage earners' point of view.
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:35 AM (nbrY/)
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Let the music begin:
To the left, to the left
To the left, to the left (mmmmmm)
To the left, to the left
To the left, to the left
To the left, to the left (mmmmmm)
To the left, to the left
Posted by: USA at May 05, 2016 08:35 AM (tfM+W)
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:36 AM (Gwldq)
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That's not a Canadian "town" evacuated and burning down because of a forest fire, it's a city. 80,000 people evacuated. It's the oil sands city, very modern, massive growth and build-up in just the last ten years, so unlike traditional towns and cities in the northern boreal forest, who are well aware of the constant danger from forest fires, they decided not to protect the city with massive fire breaks, clearing the forest away from the buildings, they went modern and green and blended into the forest and saved the trees. You'd think the insurance companies would be smart enough to intervene, but no...
Posted by: yop at May 05, 2016 08:36 AM (Q4sxC)
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20: "Feet will be held to the fire."
Sadly, I believe that will work now as well as it has for the last 200 or so years.
Sadly, I believe that will work now as well as it has for the last 200 or so years.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at May 05, 2016 08:37 AM (yiTg1)
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Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:24 AM (Gwldq)
There is a difference between (1) observing reality and accepting the observations as valid, and (2) advocating for what we think our politicians should do in order to affect the change that we want to see happen.
I agree that there are a lot of FSA types out there. That is the reality. I disagree that the correct response is to attempt to pander to them, or to try to outbid the Democrats on how much free shit to give away.
T'his is basically the Bush 2000 strategy when it came to Medicare Part D. Bush and Gore were in a bidding war as to how much to pander to seniors when it came to prescription drugs. It all accepts the implicit liberal premise that the government SHOULD be providing drugs to seniors. And from what I understand, it was a major reason around here as to why Bush was denounced as a big-government liberal type, when he made good on his campaign promise and massively expanded Medicare.
How is what you are saying not falling into the same trap?
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:24 AM (Gwldq)
There is a difference between (1) observing reality and accepting the observations as valid, and (2) advocating for what we think our politicians should do in order to affect the change that we want to see happen.
I agree that there are a lot of FSA types out there. That is the reality. I disagree that the correct response is to attempt to pander to them, or to try to outbid the Democrats on how much free shit to give away.
T'his is basically the Bush 2000 strategy when it came to Medicare Part D. Bush and Gore were in a bidding war as to how much to pander to seniors when it came to prescription drugs. It all accepts the implicit liberal premise that the government SHOULD be providing drugs to seniors. And from what I understand, it was a major reason around here as to why Bush was denounced as a big-government liberal type, when he made good on his campaign promise and massively expanded Medicare.
How is what you are saying not falling into the same trap?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 08:37 AM (uAvJJ)
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75 Posted by: Marcus T at May 05, 2016 08:34 AM (O0lVq)
If the GOP faced their domestic foes with 1/2 the ferocity they allow unleashed on foreign ones I'd sleep easier...
If the GOP faced their domestic foes with 1/2 the ferocity they allow unleashed on foreign ones I'd sleep easier...
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:37 AM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at May 05, 2016 08:37 AM (yiTg1)
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Julian Castro, HUD Sec and sometimes mentioned as Hillery's running mate, was on cnbc earlier. He said the Obama admin has a plan -- $11 billion, although I'm sure that's just the initiation fee -- that will end family homelessness by 2020. This from the former mayor or San Fran CA who thinks that local gov'ts could have a part to play in ending homelessness and dealing with housing costs.
and in honor of Cinco do Cinco, I will wash my hands twice today.
and in honor of Cinco do Cinco, I will wash my hands twice today.
Posted by: mallfly suPreme at May 05, 2016 08:37 AM (ctqZB)
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"78 Let the music begin: To the left, to the left
To the left, to the left (mmmmmm) To the left, to the left"
...with the 100% support of the Republican Party, yes.
To the left, to the left (mmmmmm) To the left, to the left"
...with the 100% support of the Republican Party, yes.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 05, 2016 08:37 AM (eHpnh)
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>>>
62
Well we know you are not "straight STRAIGHT" Chris...
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:28 AM (g8Hfr)
________
Whenever I get thrilled I can get it straightened out - Thanks Pfizer!
62
Well we know you are not "straight STRAIGHT" Chris...
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:28 AM (g8Hfr)
________
Whenever I get thrilled I can get it straightened out - Thanks Pfizer!
Posted by: Chris Matthews at May 05, 2016 08:38 AM (10hEu)
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We're just not going to know anything until Comey or some federal prosecutor calls a press conference.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 08:18 AM (pC96u)
Fixed to increase bitterness.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 08:18 AM (pC96u)
Fixed to increase bitterness.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 05, 2016 08:39 AM (ry34m)
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"The judge's order said discovery must be finished within two months."
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FINALLY we get an actual deadline on the email thing -- at least the Judicial Watch part.
It's really unfair; the suspense is killing me, while Hillary is gamboling about laughing down questions about it. I demand free meds, a safe space (5000 square feet in a nice suburb should do), and a blanket pardon for all prisoners in my demographic.
"The judge's order said discovery must be finished within two months."
-------------------------
FINALLY we get an actual deadline on the email thing -- at least the Judicial Watch part.
It's really unfair; the suspense is killing me, while Hillary is gamboling about laughing down questions about it. I demand free meds, a safe space (5000 square feet in a nice suburb should do), and a blanket pardon for all prisoners in my demographic.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 08:39 AM (pC96u)
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States and localities can and should be able to do what they want with regards to wages, because 10th amendment.
It's not really their business, either.
It's not really their business, either.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 05, 2016 08:39 AM (tIja6)
91
Seeing all of this spinning about Donald's statement on the minimum wage is just breath-taking.
If ANY OTHER Republican had said anything like "I'm open to raising the minimum wage", we all here would denounce that Republican as a RINO collaborator with the left.
But because it's Donald, then the standards are.... different
If ANY OTHER Republican had said anything like "I'm open to raising the minimum wage", we all here would denounce that Republican as a RINO collaborator with the left.
But because it's Donald, then the standards are.... different
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 08:39 AM (uAvJJ)
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One trick pony phony Republicans
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 08:40 AM (V/InG)
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Now look at it from the minimum wage earners' point of view.
They have a point of view?
I'm quite sure that if we beat them senseless with conservative theory and remind them of their lack of patriotism and failure to succeed at life that they will come around.
Works great for the GOP.
77
Now look at it from the minimum wage earners' point of view.
They have a point of view?
I'm quite sure that if we beat them senseless with conservative theory and remind them of their lack of patriotism and failure to succeed at life that they will come around.
Works great for the GOP.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:40 AM (Gwldq)
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Julian Castro was never mayor of SF. He's from Texas.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 05, 2016 08:41 AM (EZebt)
95
The UK has stopped covering the refugee crisis before the Brexit vote.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 05, 2016 08:41 AM (iQIUe)
96
Julian Castro, HUD Sec and sometimes mentioned as Hillery's running mate, was on cnbc earlier. He said the Obama admin has a plan -- $11 billion, although I'm sure that's just the initiation fee -- that will end family homelessness by 2020. This from the former mayor or San Fran CA who thinks that local gov'ts could have a part to play in ending homelessness and dealing with housing costs.
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If it's like ObamaCare, then I guess everyone will be ordered to move in somewhere and pay rent or a mortgage. Homelessness solved. Why didn't George Bush think of that?
Julian Castro, HUD Sec and sometimes mentioned as Hillery's running mate, was on cnbc earlier. He said the Obama admin has a plan -- $11 billion, although I'm sure that's just the initiation fee -- that will end family homelessness by 2020. This from the former mayor or San Fran CA who thinks that local gov'ts could have a part to play in ending homelessness and dealing with housing costs.
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If it's like ObamaCare, then I guess everyone will be ordered to move in somewhere and pay rent or a mortgage. Homelessness solved. Why didn't George Bush think of that?
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 08:41 AM (pC96u)
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:42 AM (g8Hfr)
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@85 This from the former mayor or San Fran CA
San Antonio TX. Don't get your saints mixed up.
If he was in SF, The Castro District would be named after him.
San Antonio TX. Don't get your saints mixed up.
If he was in SF, The Castro District would be named after him.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 05, 2016 08:42 AM (tIja6)
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95 Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 05, 2016 08:41 AM (iQIUe)
Just wait until the Feds order everyone to be a millionaire.
Just wait until the Feds order everyone to be a millionaire.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:42 AM (g8Hfr)
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91 Seeing all of this spinning about Donald's statement on the minimum wage is just breath-taking.
------------------
The back pedaling has begun. He'll be spinning in circles faster than a figure skater.
I will continue to live my life, my God, my family, my job and all of the things that make me happy. Politicians come and go. As do the lies and spin.
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The back pedaling has begun. He'll be spinning in circles faster than a figure skater.
I will continue to live my life, my God, my family, my job and all of the things that make me happy. Politicians come and go. As do the lies and spin.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 08:43 AM (voOPb)
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So MUMR is the insane voice of reason, like Maria Josefa in the House of Bernarda Alba.
Clearly the lock on its door was left unsecured.
Clearly the lock on its door was left unsecured.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 05, 2016 08:43 AM (ry34m)
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But because it's Donald, then the standards are.... different.
No.
That is your TDS talking.
And you are welcome to it. Liberty means the freedom to be arrogant, insane and obsessed.
Rock on.
No.
That is your TDS talking.
And you are welcome to it. Liberty means the freedom to be arrogant, insane and obsessed.
Rock on.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:43 AM (Gwldq)
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I put the mayo in the sink-o but it did not make me happy.
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:43 AM (nbrY/)
104
95 All the left wing media in the world(umm,all of the media) simply do not cover what is inconvenient for their political party of chooce.Perfect self censorship.
Posted by: steevy at May 05, 2016 08:44 AM (B48dK)
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damn it
Bruce with a Jenner I meant to answer to you...
The Boob o'er in Jolly 'ole is state ran and owned...
they'll do whatever the powers that be want...like our media when donks are in power
Bruce with a Jenner I meant to answer to you...
The Boob o'er in Jolly 'ole is state ran and owned...
they'll do whatever the powers that be want...like our media when donks are in power
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:44 AM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 05, 2016 08:44 AM (tIja6)
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:44 AM (nbrY/)
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I think Hillary has already won on the email scandal, because it's become known as "the email scandal."
- Not the 'Compromised National Security' scandal.
- Not the 'Mishandled Classified Documents Scandal.'
- Not the 'Peddled Influence to Foreign Donors Scandal.'
To the LIV's... who are a voting majority, BTW... 'email scandal' makes it sound like she accidentally hit 'Reply All' instead of 'Reply.' Or that she got confused with her email settings... like every LIV does.
And that's why it is no big deal.
- Not the 'Compromised National Security' scandal.
- Not the 'Mishandled Classified Documents Scandal.'
- Not the 'Peddled Influence to Foreign Donors Scandal.'
To the LIV's... who are a voting majority, BTW... 'email scandal' makes it sound like she accidentally hit 'Reply All' instead of 'Reply.' Or that she got confused with her email settings... like every LIV does.
And that's why it is no big deal.
Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 08:45 AM (O7MnT)
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Morning horde. Another beautiful rain filled day!
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 08:45 AM (mEZce)
110
Yeah.
Really missing that spin-free Romney .
And that spin-free McCain .
Which politican was the "straight shooter who never double-talked or pandered for votes in his campaign" again?
Can't seem to remember the name...
Really missing that spin-free Romney .
And that spin-free McCain .
Which politican was the "straight shooter who never double-talked or pandered for votes in his campaign" again?
Can't seem to remember the name...
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:45 AM (Gwldq)
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100 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 08:43 AM (voOPb)
I suspect Trump is happening b/c the FSA masses do not want sold that old medicine Mis H...
You think I enjoy that?
That said I think it would be brilliant for Trump to expose the idiocy of Donk economic "thought."
I suspect Trump is happening b/c the FSA masses do not want sold that old medicine Mis H...
You think I enjoy that?
That said I think it would be brilliant for Trump to expose the idiocy of Donk economic "thought."
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:45 AM (g8Hfr)
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so unlike traditional towns and cities in the northern boreal forest, who are well aware of the constant danger from forest fires, they decided not to protect the city with massive fire breaks, clearing the forest away from the buildings"
Exactly so. The trend of "building into the woods" has been the norm for the better part of the last two decades with "unexpected" results...
That is if you don't "expect" fires.
The other fun part of this is Canada's boy wonder stomping his little feet instead of actually doing anything. Expect at least a dozen "global warming" speeches over the next week or so...
Exactly so. The trend of "building into the woods" has been the norm for the better part of the last two decades with "unexpected" results...
That is if you don't "expect" fires.
The other fun part of this is Canada's boy wonder stomping his little feet instead of actually doing anything. Expect at least a dozen "global warming" speeches over the next week or so...
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at May 05, 2016 08:46 AM (C9pBZ)
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So RWC, why were you so happy last night?
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:46 AM (nbrY/)
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The first piece I found.
The whole PDF which can be found online is scanned in color which makes it hard to work with since the size is huge.
This piece while you might need to read through it a few times will show you what was going on.
Interesting to note how outside an inside forces changed the policy of even the President.
Link in nick
The whole PDF which can be found online is scanned in color which makes it hard to work with since the size is huge.
This piece while you might need to read through it a few times will show you what was going on.
Interesting to note how outside an inside forces changed the policy of even the President.
Link in nick
Posted by: MarkC at May 05, 2016 08:46 AM (iWFQR)
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Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 08:28 AM (4ng05)
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I either agree with you or I think the conservative or conservatarian or libertarian party or whatever it is simply needs to focus on its opposition to authoritarianism and start talking that way. Every move the liberals make is authoritarian and it deprives individuals of freedom in hundreds of ways, hundreds of little decisions in your daily life now in the hands of Big Business as sponsored and enforced by Big Government.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 08:28 AM (4ng05)
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I either agree with you or I think the conservative or conservatarian or libertarian party or whatever it is simply needs to focus on its opposition to authoritarianism and start talking that way. Every move the liberals make is authoritarian and it deprives individuals of freedom in hundreds of ways, hundreds of little decisions in your daily life now in the hands of Big Business as sponsored and enforced by Big Government.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 08:46 AM (pC96u)
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I'm sick and tired of hearing about trannies in special bathrooms. They can use their pants, just like everyone else.
Posted by: Jo-Jo 'Ploppy Pants' Biden at May 05, 2016 08:47 AM (CUk0C)
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Bill Kristol and others are trying desperately to find a third party candidate to run against Trump.
QUICK ASIDE - all the people who are like if you support Trump you are trying to destroy the GOP, please talk to Bill Kristol and his crowd, mmmkay?
Anyway, got your nightmare political wonk scenario right here.
The Libertarian Party convention is at the end of this month. The rules on that are, shall we say, loosey goosey.
Imagine Mitt Romney coming in with say, half a billion dollars committed from Kochs and other Republican money men.
I think they would give him the nomination. And spare me all the "LP is about principle they would never blah blah blah" tell it to Howard Stern.
Doing that would build on their infrastructure - they are on the ballot in 32 states, some Mitt money could make the rest happen.
So, anyway, try to sleep well tonight.
QUICK ASIDE - all the people who are like if you support Trump you are trying to destroy the GOP, please talk to Bill Kristol and his crowd, mmmkay?
Anyway, got your nightmare political wonk scenario right here.
The Libertarian Party convention is at the end of this month. The rules on that are, shall we say, loosey goosey.
Imagine Mitt Romney coming in with say, half a billion dollars committed from Kochs and other Republican money men.
I think they would give him the nomination. And spare me all the "LP is about principle they would never blah blah blah" tell it to Howard Stern.
Doing that would build on their infrastructure - they are on the ballot in 32 states, some Mitt money could make the rest happen.
So, anyway, try to sleep well tonight.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2016 08:47 AM (2Ocf1)
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Now that Trump will in all likelihood become the
nominee, he'll get my vote, and if he wins I will be there to
constantly yank at his horrible hairpiece to demand he does the right
things.
I hope that his minions and the rest of us do the same, because his
natural instinct will be to veer ever leftward. It's who he is
politically. And anyone who says otherwise is a moron. And not the
AOSHQ variety either.
Fair warning.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 05, 2016 08:06 AM (p4UlV)
Not me... I don't vote for progressives.
nominee, he'll get my vote, and if he wins I will be there to
constantly yank at his horrible hairpiece to demand he does the right
things.
I hope that his minions and the rest of us do the same, because his
natural instinct will be to veer ever leftward. It's who he is
politically. And anyone who says otherwise is a moron. And not the
AOSHQ variety either.
Fair warning.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 05, 2016 08:06 AM (p4UlV)
Not me... I don't vote for progressives.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 08:48 AM (nUJM6)
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:48 AM (nbrY/)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 08:48 AM (mEZce)
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96 Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 08:41 AM (pC96u)
Yeah I think at some point the donks will mandate everyone must earn a million bucks...
"Demon Pass"
Yeah I think at some point the donks will mandate everyone must earn a million bucks...
"Demon Pass"
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:48 AM (g8Hfr)
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That said I think it would be brilliant for Trump to expose the idiocy of Donk economic "thought."
Posted by: sven10077
>>>>>>>>>>.
The MSM would instantly paint him as pushing grandma's wheelchair off the cliff and causing inner-city black babies to starve.
Posted by: sven10077
>>>>>>>>>>.
The MSM would instantly paint him as pushing grandma's wheelchair off the cliff and causing inner-city black babies to starve.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:48 AM (Gwldq)
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Caitlyn Jenner, in the womens room at Target, with the scalpel
Posted by: Progressive Clue at May 05, 2016 08:49 AM (gs8be)
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114 Oh yeah,I've learned all about that stuff in Stalin's Secret Agents and Blacklisted by History.Amazing that most people,if they know anything about it,still repeat commie lies to this day.
Posted by: steevy at May 05, 2016 08:49 AM (B48dK)
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North Carolina Tow Truck Owner Said He Refused Service To Woman Because She Supports Bernie Sanders Call The Government For A Tow
Weasel Zippers
That's one way to fight back
Weasel Zippers
That's one way to fight back
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 08:49 AM (V/InG)
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I think Hillary has already won on the email scandal, because it's become known as "the email scandal."
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Good point. Conservative media has fallen for that, too.
I think Hillary has already won on the email scandal, because it's become known as "the email scandal."
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Good point. Conservative media has fallen for that, too.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 08:49 AM (pC96u)
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Remember Libya? Samantha Powers, Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice et al and so forth? "Responsibility to Protect".
“Having not done what we should have done in Rwanda,” she said, “it’s a very tough thing to decide when to do it and when not to do it.”
NYTimes :
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hckdxcj
Rolling Stone : Inside Obama's War Room
http://preview.tinyurl.com/4xxk6k5
(Interesting power struggle between Obama's wymons. Samantha Powers lost)
Syria . . .
Yesterday I stumbled into a quote where Obama 'snaps at' (implying sarcastic tone - a verbal 'kill shot' to shut her up) Susan Rice, "You are not here to write your next book." But can't find the article. Searching produces the quote "I've read your book." same tone, same intent.
Libya - Syria - Egypt : Obama's Foreign Policy in action. It seems so long ago.
“Having not done what we should have done in Rwanda,” she said, “it’s a very tough thing to decide when to do it and when not to do it.”
NYTimes :
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hckdxcj
Rolling Stone : Inside Obama's War Room
http://preview.tinyurl.com/4xxk6k5
(Interesting power struggle between Obama's wymons. Samantha Powers lost)
Syria . . .
Yesterday I stumbled into a quote where Obama 'snaps at' (implying sarcastic tone - a verbal 'kill shot' to shut her up) Susan Rice, "You are not here to write your next book." But can't find the article. Searching produces the quote "I've read your book." same tone, same intent.
Libya - Syria - Egypt : Obama's Foreign Policy in action. It seems so long ago.
Posted by: Loran Gerban at May 05, 2016 08:50 AM (pCm/c)
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122 Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:48 AM (Gwldq)
Expose it by outbidding the mules.
Barney says "drive for 15? Fuck that you're worth 17.75 an hour buddy"
Make the donks admit reality.
Expose it by outbidding the mules.
Barney says "drive for 15? Fuck that you're worth 17.75 an hour buddy"
Make the donks admit reality.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:50 AM (g8Hfr)
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@64
Trumps a fraud?
The whole GOP apparatus and to a great extent the "Conservstive movement" is a fraud.
A political movement without a single tangible political victory
or governing philosophy is fraudulent.
Trump is an opportunity to one change the media paradigm and for "conservstives" to up their game and actualy become a relevant governing political party and institution.
Trumps a fraud?
The whole GOP apparatus and to a great extent the "Conservstive movement" is a fraud.
A political movement without a single tangible political victory
or governing philosophy is fraudulent.
Trump is an opportunity to one change the media paradigm and for "conservstives" to up their game and actualy become a relevant governing political party and institution.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 05, 2016 08:51 AM (UgU+f)
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You think I enjoy that?
That said I think it would be brilliant for Trump to expose the idiocy of Donk economic "thought."
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:45 AM (g8Hfr
No, not at all.
It would be brilliant and surprising if it occurred.
That said I think it would be brilliant for Trump to expose the idiocy of Donk economic "thought."
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:45 AM (g8Hfr
No, not at all.
It would be brilliant and surprising if it occurred.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 08:51 AM (voOPb)
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Trump is heading to Eugene Oregon tomorrow, heart of Black Box Occupy Anarchists.
Should see some fun riots.
Should see some fun riots.
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:51 AM (nbrY/)
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@112 Expect at least a dozen "global warming" speeches over the next week or so...
Oh yes. They're slow on the draw already. I am so sure that they will say the underground tar vein will burn forever like the coal under Centralia PA.
For all the usual "It's the Jooos" crowd who were just demanding why gas went up: this good enough for ya?
Hardest hit, no really, are those midwestern refineries who spent plenty to be able to process Oil Sands crude, thinking, hey, good investment. That would include two of my bigger neighbors, and this at the beginning of the "loss cycle" for refining. Hope they were banking the hell out of their big profits the last couple of seasons, because this one's gonna suck.
Waiting for AOP to weigh in on this. I guess he'd, you know, know.
Oh yes. They're slow on the draw already. I am so sure that they will say the underground tar vein will burn forever like the coal under Centralia PA.
For all the usual "It's the Jooos" crowd who were just demanding why gas went up: this good enough for ya?
Hardest hit, no really, are those midwestern refineries who spent plenty to be able to process Oil Sands crude, thinking, hey, good investment. That would include two of my bigger neighbors, and this at the beginning of the "loss cycle" for refining. Hope they were banking the hell out of their big profits the last couple of seasons, because this one's gonna suck.
Waiting for AOP to weigh in on this. I guess he'd, you know, know.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 05, 2016 08:51 AM (tIja6)
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>>>91 Seeing all of this spinning about Donald's statement on the minimum wage is just breath-taking.
If ANY OTHER Republican had said anything like "I'm open to raising the minimum wage", we all here would denounce that Republican as a RINO collaborator with the left.
But because it's Donald, then the standards are.... different
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 08:39 AM (uAvJJ)
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Its more Scott Adams Master Persuader crap, specfically it is Strategic Ambiguity. You can read his min wage statement and it can mean anything, but it *sounds* positive. That was the point of it.
Trump's statement was all mumbo jumbo - He said he wants to bring jobs back b/c he is open anything that helps the workers. Trump won't categorically rule out raising the wage, but he won't categorically raise the wage either. Trump is keeping his mind open b/c just wants to bring the good jobs back and is considering what will help.
If you argue aganist what he said (which was nothing) then you lock yourself down into a position where Trump can ridicule you. "What? I want to figure out how to bring the jobs back! Why are you against bringing the jobs back and helping the workers?"
He is baiting Hillary & the Dems to attack his non-position.
If ANY OTHER Republican had said anything like "I'm open to raising the minimum wage", we all here would denounce that Republican as a RINO collaborator with the left.
But because it's Donald, then the standards are.... different
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 08:39 AM (uAvJJ)
________
Its more Scott Adams Master Persuader crap, specfically it is Strategic Ambiguity. You can read his min wage statement and it can mean anything, but it *sounds* positive. That was the point of it.
Trump's statement was all mumbo jumbo - He said he wants to bring jobs back b/c he is open anything that helps the workers. Trump won't categorically rule out raising the wage, but he won't categorically raise the wage either. Trump is keeping his mind open b/c just wants to bring the good jobs back and is considering what will help.
If you argue aganist what he said (which was nothing) then you lock yourself down into a position where Trump can ridicule you. "What? I want to figure out how to bring the jobs back! Why are you against bringing the jobs back and helping the workers?"
He is baiting Hillary & the Dems to attack his non-position.
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 08:51 AM (10hEu)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 05, 2016 08:52 AM (eHpnh)
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They have a point of view?
I'm quite sure
that if we beat them senseless with conservative theory and remind them
of their lack of patriotism and failure to succeed at life that they
will come around.
Works great for the GOP.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:40 AM (Gwldq)
How about instead you point out they are likely to never get a job or will lose their job to automation or older, out of work and experienced workers who are worth a higher wage if the minimum wage is raised.
Be brutally honest and tell them if their labor were worth a higher wage, their employer would be paying them more voluntarily.
I'm quite sure
that if we beat them senseless with conservative theory and remind them
of their lack of patriotism and failure to succeed at life that they
will come around.
Works great for the GOP.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:40 AM (Gwldq)
How about instead you point out they are likely to never get a job or will lose their job to automation or older, out of work and experienced workers who are worth a higher wage if the minimum wage is raised.
Be brutally honest and tell them if their labor were worth a higher wage, their employer would be paying them more voluntarily.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 05, 2016 08:52 AM (nUJM6)
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Sure thing ignorant asshole.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 05, 2016 08:34 AM (O0lVq)
I'm sure that was not aimed at me.
My comment was about the electorate as a whole. The nation is incapable of intellectual soul-searching.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 05, 2016 08:34 AM (O0lVq)
I'm sure that was not aimed at me.
My comment was about the electorate as a whole. The nation is incapable of intellectual soul-searching.
Posted by: Golfman at May 05, 2016 08:52 AM (jIgQw)
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113 So RWC, why were you so happy last night?
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:46 AM (nbrY/)
Because Messenger screwed up and didn't notify me of crush enthusiastically responding to my lunch date.
She sent me a friend request on FB and I thought it was kind of odd she would do that and not respond to the direct message so I checked last night and woo hoo
*still haven't worked out when since this week sucks for both of us.
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:46 AM (nbrY/)
Because Messenger screwed up and didn't notify me of crush enthusiastically responding to my lunch date.
She sent me a friend request on FB and I thought it was kind of odd she would do that and not respond to the direct message so I checked last night and woo hoo
*still haven't worked out when since this week sucks for both of us.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 08:52 AM (mEZce)
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The D's are the party of fear.
The R's are the party of guilt and shame.
A pox on both their houses.
The R's are the party of guilt and shame.
A pox on both their houses.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:52 AM (Gwldq)
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Steve Schmidt says Hillary will recruit foreign policy experts from senior Republican party members.
Uniparty.
Toldya.
Uniparty.
Toldya.
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:53 AM (nbrY/)
140
Happy Cinco de Cuatro everybody.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 05, 2016 08:53 AM (0mRoj)
141
What possible better way could there be to celebrate this holiday to mayonnaise than with semen on your chicken sandwich?
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 08:53 AM (4ng05)
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139 Hmm,which I wonder?Jim Baker still alive?
Posted by: steevy at May 05, 2016 08:53 AM (B48dK)
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130 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 08:51 AM (voOPb)
The Democrats are what they are, and too many Americans have made their peace with what they are.
If the Donks are determined to wreck the car then put YOUR foot on the accelerator.
"Solve homelessness? Sure we'll give EVERYONE a 75,000 house."
Free Shit for all.
The Democrats are what they are, and too many Americans have made their peace with what they are.
If the Donks are determined to wreck the car then put YOUR foot on the accelerator.
"Solve homelessness? Sure we'll give EVERYONE a 75,000 house."
Free Shit for all.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:53 AM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:54 AM (nbrY/)
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134
Why all the piss and vinegar from Trump supporters?
You won, remember?
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed
Some people will just NEVER get it .
Why all the piss and vinegar from Trump supporters?
You won, remember?
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed
Some people will just NEVER get it .
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:55 AM (Gwldq)
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As a staunch Cruz supporter from WAY back, I now fully support Trump2016.
Up to and until, if he should follow the McCain and Romney lead, and roll on his back and expose his stomach to his democrat opponent. Then, we will ALL know this country is OVER.
Taking on the vile, felonious Hag of Benghazi, the Vermont Commie, Joey Choo-choo and the Fake Indian and their ilk is the easiest pickins' of any presidential campaign EVER.
Up to and until, if he should follow the McCain and Romney lead, and roll on his back and expose his stomach to his democrat opponent. Then, we will ALL know this country is OVER.
Taking on the vile, felonious Hag of Benghazi, the Vermont Commie, Joey Choo-choo and the Fake Indian and their ilk is the easiest pickins' of any presidential campaign EVER.
Posted by: Taqyia2Me at May 05, 2016 08:55 AM (sJuKe)
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Good morning Horde!
"My gut is telling me Trump beats Clinton in a landslide" - Rush Limbaugh
There was some misinformation being tossed around in that CNN Poll thread yesterday. It is a shame that Ace doesn't typically look at the morning threads, he could probably make use of this insight.
As was mentioned, a new poll entered the RCP average yesterday as CNN/ORC released their new poll for the month. This poll was Clinton 54 to Trump 41. As I have said, what I look for is changes in poll "trajectory" to get a sense that a campaign is being successful with voters. This poll shows no movement for Trump over the last month, last month the poll was 53/41.
The RCP average changes slightly with the addition of this poll, the average is now Clinton 47.3 and Trump 40.8, giving Clinton an average lead of 6.5%.
I have a spreadsheet where I am tracking the polling over time, let me point out a few trends that show that Rush's gut is really just telling him indigestion. Trump will lose this election, unless he can make some fundamental breakthroughs.
Look at Trump's numbers across all of the polls in the RCP average, INCLUDING Rasmussen (the only poll where he is winning):
41, 43, 39, 40, 41, 41
This is a VERY static support number. There is a spread of only 4% across all the polls hovering around 40%. This looks a lot like a hard ceiling of support at 40%. Looking back at the last 6 weeks of polling averages, this has barely changed:
39.3, 39, 39, 38.8, 38.8, 38.8, 38.8, 39.1, 38.6, 38.6, 38.9, 39, 38.7, 39.5, 39.5, 39.5, 40.5 (Rasmussen enters), 40.1, 40.4, 40.5, 40.8
This is again a very tight spread, varying only 1.8% over 6 weeks and hovering slightly under 40%.
The variability in the numbers is all on the Clinton side of the polling. The current RCP polls are:
48, 46, 50, 47, 39, 54
This is a much higher degree of variability with a 15 point spread across the polls. This variability has been shown over the last 6 weeks as well:
48.5, 50.4, 50.4, 50, 50, 50, 50, 49.7, 49.4, 49.4, 49.4, 49.6, 49.1, 48.8, 48.8, 48.8, 49, 47.4, 47.1, 46.7, 47.3
That is a spread of 4.7% over the last 6 weeks. It is a much higher spread around the center point of about 48%.
What does this all mean?
It means that right now Trump has a hard support ceiling at about 40%. The voters that are swinging are vacillating between can they vote for Clinton or not? They are moving back and forth between "I can vote for the shrew" and "I don't know what I'm going to do, maybe sit this out".
This means that under the current conditions, the best situation is those voters decide to not vote. But that leaves a hard floor of 46% for Clinton. This represents the core Democrat voters that are comfortable voting for her and will vote for her, despite all of the negatives that she has against her.
Trump's campaign style is to tear down other candidates. That will be ineffective against Clinton because of that hard floor of 46% she has. He can convince voters to not vote for her, but not enough of them to overcome the 5% differential between his ceiling and her floor.
The only way he can win is to convince those undecided voters to vote FOR him. But those voters are already heavily polarized against him. The racist/islamaphobe meme is already baked into their decision making process. He has to offer them something to get over their resistance to voting for him.
I'm not a Trump fan, so I'm not the guy to say what that could be. But right now, the numbers are firmly against him. He is on track to a significant loss unless he can change his style and win over people who don't want to vote for Clinton.
One final point. Being tied going into the election isn't good enough. He needs a lead of around 2% to win. He does not have a professional campaign and he will get burned by Democrat GOTV and fraud. To win Florida he has to be able to overcome 70,000 votes in Miami appearing out of nowhere to vote for Clinton.
"My gut is telling me Trump beats Clinton in a landslide" - Rush Limbaugh
There was some misinformation being tossed around in that CNN Poll thread yesterday. It is a shame that Ace doesn't typically look at the morning threads, he could probably make use of this insight.
As was mentioned, a new poll entered the RCP average yesterday as CNN/ORC released their new poll for the month. This poll was Clinton 54 to Trump 41. As I have said, what I look for is changes in poll "trajectory" to get a sense that a campaign is being successful with voters. This poll shows no movement for Trump over the last month, last month the poll was 53/41.
The RCP average changes slightly with the addition of this poll, the average is now Clinton 47.3 and Trump 40.8, giving Clinton an average lead of 6.5%.
I have a spreadsheet where I am tracking the polling over time, let me point out a few trends that show that Rush's gut is really just telling him indigestion. Trump will lose this election, unless he can make some fundamental breakthroughs.
Look at Trump's numbers across all of the polls in the RCP average, INCLUDING Rasmussen (the only poll where he is winning):
41, 43, 39, 40, 41, 41
This is a VERY static support number. There is a spread of only 4% across all the polls hovering around 40%. This looks a lot like a hard ceiling of support at 40%. Looking back at the last 6 weeks of polling averages, this has barely changed:
39.3, 39, 39, 38.8, 38.8, 38.8, 38.8, 39.1, 38.6, 38.6, 38.9, 39, 38.7, 39.5, 39.5, 39.5, 40.5 (Rasmussen enters), 40.1, 40.4, 40.5, 40.8
This is again a very tight spread, varying only 1.8% over 6 weeks and hovering slightly under 40%.
The variability in the numbers is all on the Clinton side of the polling. The current RCP polls are:
48, 46, 50, 47, 39, 54
This is a much higher degree of variability with a 15 point spread across the polls. This variability has been shown over the last 6 weeks as well:
48.5, 50.4, 50.4, 50, 50, 50, 50, 49.7, 49.4, 49.4, 49.4, 49.6, 49.1, 48.8, 48.8, 48.8, 49, 47.4, 47.1, 46.7, 47.3
That is a spread of 4.7% over the last 6 weeks. It is a much higher spread around the center point of about 48%.
What does this all mean?
It means that right now Trump has a hard support ceiling at about 40%. The voters that are swinging are vacillating between can they vote for Clinton or not? They are moving back and forth between "I can vote for the shrew" and "I don't know what I'm going to do, maybe sit this out".
This means that under the current conditions, the best situation is those voters decide to not vote. But that leaves a hard floor of 46% for Clinton. This represents the core Democrat voters that are comfortable voting for her and will vote for her, despite all of the negatives that she has against her.
Trump's campaign style is to tear down other candidates. That will be ineffective against Clinton because of that hard floor of 46% she has. He can convince voters to not vote for her, but not enough of them to overcome the 5% differential between his ceiling and her floor.
The only way he can win is to convince those undecided voters to vote FOR him. But those voters are already heavily polarized against him. The racist/islamaphobe meme is already baked into their decision making process. He has to offer them something to get over their resistance to voting for him.
I'm not a Trump fan, so I'm not the guy to say what that could be. But right now, the numbers are firmly against him. He is on track to a significant loss unless he can change his style and win over people who don't want to vote for Clinton.
One final point. Being tied going into the election isn't good enough. He needs a lead of around 2% to win. He does not have a professional campaign and he will get burned by Democrat GOTV and fraud. To win Florida he has to be able to overcome 70,000 votes in Miami appearing out of nowhere to vote for Clinton.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 05, 2016 08:55 AM (jN+fS)
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Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:43 AM (Gwldq)
Umm no, I don't think it's TDS to state fairly that any Republican who decides to come out tenuously in support of a minimum wage increase would be tarred and feathered and denounced around here.
We have this post, from about a year ago:
http://minx.cc:1080/?post=355104
where I don't see a hotbed of support for the minimum wage.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:43 AM (Gwldq)
Umm no, I don't think it's TDS to state fairly that any Republican who decides to come out tenuously in support of a minimum wage increase would be tarred and feathered and denounced around here.
We have this post, from about a year ago:
http://minx.cc:1080/?post=355104
where I don't see a hotbed of support for the minimum wage.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 08:55 AM (uAvJJ)
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65 The Chicago city government ran an ad campaign recently that badmouthed North Carolina because of their anti-pervert law.
Posted by: CrustyB at May 05, 2016 08:29 AM (Hnglq)
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Recently watched an Anthony Boudrain show on Chicago. Ugh. Stupid, boring, murderous... Total lefty b.s. And this is from a person who spent the first 18 years of their life living there.
Posted by: CrustyB at May 05, 2016 08:29 AM (Hnglq)
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Recently watched an Anthony Boudrain show on Chicago. Ugh. Stupid, boring, murderous... Total lefty b.s. And this is from a person who spent the first 18 years of their life living there.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 05, 2016 08:56 AM (iQIUe)
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So a stormtrooper, R2-D2 and a Wookie were dancing in the White House yesterday.
http://tinyurl.com/grvnhpz
http://tinyurl.com/grvnhpz
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 08:56 AM (mEZce)
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"Solve homelessness? Sure we'll give EVERYONE a 75,000 house."
Free Shit for all.
Posted by: sven10077
Cut, Jib, Newsletter.
Consolidate student loan apps and mortgage apps.
In 4 years you get a degree and a house.
Free Shit for all.
Posted by: sven10077
Cut, Jib, Newsletter.
Consolidate student loan apps and mortgage apps.
In 4 years you get a degree and a house.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 08:57 AM (Gwldq)
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Awww.
She liiiiiiikes you.
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:54 AM (nbrY/)
*blushes*
And then I responded with random ramblings so I probably F'ed it up
She liiiiiiikes you.
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:54 AM (nbrY/)
*blushes*
And then I responded with random ramblings so I probably F'ed it up
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 08:57 AM (mEZce)
153
We have a natural minimum wage ... zero.
Posted by: Jean at May 05, 2016 08:58 AM (cXiMR)
154
Reading some of the pushback by Labourites against being called out for having a party filled with racists and antisemite, my lord! They've doubled down on stupid.
Reading some of the pushback by Labourites against being called out for having a party filled with racists and antisemite, my lord! They've doubled down on stupid.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 05, 2016 08:58 AM (iQIUe)
155
148 Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 08:55 AM (uAvJJ)
When not being a cryptic confusion machine, I *do* actually do posts in the Doom! threads on the idiocy of minimum wage that are cogent and coherent.
We have lost this argument b/c the supine butt thrust right refused to grab the donks by the throat and point out "you do this and UE will go UP in your town/state."
In the 70s we had Milton Friedman kicking Mik'al Moore in the balls...
https://youtu.be/VdyKAIhLdNs
Now we have Bill Kristol actively working to put Hillary in power.
When not being a cryptic confusion machine, I *do* actually do posts in the Doom! threads on the idiocy of minimum wage that are cogent and coherent.
We have lost this argument b/c the supine butt thrust right refused to grab the donks by the throat and point out "you do this and UE will go UP in your town/state."
In the 70s we had Milton Friedman kicking Mik'al Moore in the balls...
https://youtu.be/VdyKAIhLdNs
Now we have Bill Kristol actively working to put Hillary in power.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 08:59 AM (g8Hfr)
156
a stormtrooper, R2-D2 and a Wookie were dancing in the White House yesterday.
At the White House, that's known as a Wednesday.
At the White House, that's known as a Wednesday.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 05, 2016 08:59 AM (tIja6)
157
If Trump pusses out on attacking Hillary my vote is gone. Go full bore on her evil ass.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 08:59 AM (mEZce)
158
153 Posted by: Jean at May 05, 2016 08:58 AM (cXiMR)
Yup the minimum wage for a task is the task being undone here and done elsewhere.
Zero is the minimum wage.
A smart GOP, but I digress" would call "drive for 15" the Jobs Export Act.
Yup the minimum wage for a task is the task being undone here and done elsewhere.
Zero is the minimum wage.
A smart GOP, but I digress" would call "drive for 15" the Jobs Export Act.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 09:00 AM (g8Hfr)
159
I think John Mulaney nailed Trump.
Trump is what a hobo imagines what being a rich guy is like. "If I had a billion dollars, I'd build tall buildings and put my name on them. I'd fly in a private jet with gold plated bathrooms. And I'd bang supermodels with big tits."
And the reason Trump won is because he's like a good Family Feud contestant. When the other candidates were asked in a debate "What do you think Americans are most concerned about?" They would talk about National Security or Economy. Trump just says, "They're worried because our country has big problems," and everybody cheers.
Trump is what a hobo imagines what being a rich guy is like. "If I had a billion dollars, I'd build tall buildings and put my name on them. I'd fly in a private jet with gold plated bathrooms. And I'd bang supermodels with big tits."
And the reason Trump won is because he's like a good Family Feud contestant. When the other candidates were asked in a debate "What do you think Americans are most concerned about?" They would talk about National Security or Economy. Trump just says, "They're worried because our country has big problems," and everybody cheers.
Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 09:00 AM (O7MnT)
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I either agree with you or I think the conservative or conservatarian or libertarian party or whatever it is simply needs to focus on its opposition to authoritarianism and start talking that way. Every move the liberals make is authoritarian and it deprives individuals of freedom in hundreds of ways, hundreds of little decisions in your daily life now in the hands of Big Business as sponsored and enforced by Big Government.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 08:46 AM (pC96u)
Really - what is 'conservatism' now? Social conservatism, econ? Both? Neither? It's even hard to define now.
Twenty years ago, the country still had fairly well defined rules - and standards - codes of conduct, if you will. It's almost as if nearly everyone woke up one morning and found there were no rules anymore, and if there were, nobody could agree on what they were. There are either no rules, rules that don't apply anymore, but people still want, or rules that do apply that many don't want. Society was reinvented and very few people bought into it.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 08:46 AM (pC96u)
Really - what is 'conservatism' now? Social conservatism, econ? Both? Neither? It's even hard to define now.
Twenty years ago, the country still had fairly well defined rules - and standards - codes of conduct, if you will. It's almost as if nearly everyone woke up one morning and found there were no rules anymore, and if there were, nobody could agree on what they were. There are either no rules, rules that don't apply anymore, but people still want, or rules that do apply that many don't want. Society was reinvented and very few people bought into it.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 09:00 AM (4ng05)
161
152 Awww.
She liiiiiiikes you.
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:54 AM (nbrY/)
*blushes*
And then I responded with random ramblings so I probably F'ed it up
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 08:57 AM (mEZce)
Send her messages about your dick. Chicks dig that.
She liiiiiiikes you.
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 08:54 AM (nbrY/)
*blushes*
And then I responded with random ramblings so I probably F'ed it up
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 08:57 AM (mEZce)
Send her messages about your dick. Chicks dig that.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 05, 2016 09:00 AM (0mRoj)
162
Yikes! Are George Clooney and Hillary Clinton married to the same woman?
The resemblance is uncanny. And creepy.
The resemblance is uncanny. And creepy.
Posted by: Fritz at May 05, 2016 09:01 AM (UzPAd)
163
Steve Schmidt says Hillary will recruit foreign policy experts from senior Republican party members.
she can have them. they are hysterical about now, knowing full well that trump won't hire them
she can have them. they are hysterical about now, knowing full well that trump won't hire them
Posted by: runner at May 05, 2016 09:01 AM (c6/9Q)
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It's not clear whether Obama always has a personal retinue of stormtroopers on hand in the White House, or whether the suited soldiers were there just for Star Wars Day, but it's good to see the Commander in Chief has power over the space military as well as US forces. 'Come on, stormtroopers,' he demands as the song starts up, compelling his underlings to groove along with him and Michelle.
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Wonder if he shits on the 'space military' as well.
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Wonder if he shits on the 'space military' as well.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 09:02 AM (mEZce)
165
162 Posted by: Fritz at May 05, 2016 09:01 AM (UzPAd)
The bad news is our elites are literally in bed with radical Islam...
the GREAT news is if you ever need to smash walnuts you have Huma's nose.
The bad news is our elites are literally in bed with radical Islam...
the GREAT news is if you ever need to smash walnuts you have Huma's nose.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 09:02 AM (g8Hfr)
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Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 08:51 AM (10hEu)
So Trump's playing 9-dimensional chess... Got it....
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 08:51 AM (10hEu)
So Trump's playing 9-dimensional chess... Got it....
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 09:02 AM (uAvJJ)
167
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 05, 2016 08:55 AM (jN+fS
Hi Dave, you should team up with Brandon/CAC at the Decision Desk.
Hi Dave, you should team up with Brandon/CAC at the Decision Desk.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 09:02 AM (voOPb)
168
Now we have Bill Kristol actively working to put Hillary in power.
As long as its an establishment guy or gal then all is good in their world.
In their world their is no D or R
As long as its an establishment guy or gal then all is good in their world.
In their world their is no D or R
Posted by: MarkC at May 05, 2016 09:02 AM (iWFQR)
Posted by: Jean at May 05, 2016 09:03 AM (cXiMR)
170
One thing I don't get about this holiday is the cat shaving.
Just what the hell is the significance of that?
Just what the hell is the significance of that?
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 09:03 AM (4ng05)
171
the GREAT news is if you ever need to smash walnuts you have Huma's nose.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 09:02 AM (g8Hfr)
Or Tony's dick. Or so I've been told
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 09:02 AM (g8Hfr)
Or Tony's dick. Or so I've been told
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 09:03 AM (voOPb)
172
But instead of some introspection, we have garbage
posing as intellectual decisions and the ethereal "principle" trope
being thrown out by so-called "conservative" sites for whom I now have
as much respect as I do for liberals. We have post after post here now
virtually doing the same, yet very little on the mountain of material
against The Hag.
And I'm sorry for the rant, but I am tired of
watching my friends and neighbors suffer while a bunch of people with no
temerity, balls, brass or foresight sit around actively working against
the one chance we have.
There are and have been a lot of good
people who post here, and I mean that as no insult to them. I've just
had it with the illogical idiocy.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 05, 2016 08:34 AM (O0lVq)
Yep.
posing as intellectual decisions and the ethereal "principle" trope
being thrown out by so-called "conservative" sites for whom I now have
as much respect as I do for liberals. We have post after post here now
virtually doing the same, yet very little on the mountain of material
against The Hag.
And I'm sorry for the rant, but I am tired of
watching my friends and neighbors suffer while a bunch of people with no
temerity, balls, brass or foresight sit around actively working against
the one chance we have.
There are and have been a lot of good
people who post here, and I mean that as no insult to them. I've just
had it with the illogical idiocy.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 05, 2016 08:34 AM (O0lVq)
Yep.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 05, 2016 09:03 AM (vRKfn)
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Send her messages about your dick. Chicks dig that.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 05, 2016 09:00 AM (0mRoj)
How do you think I got the last one.
*which probably should have been a big and bright sign!
Posted by: Insomniac at May 05, 2016 09:00 AM (0mRoj)
How do you think I got the last one.
*which probably should have been a big and bright sign!
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 09:03 AM (mEZce)
174
Recently watched an Anthony Boudrain show on Chicago. Ugh. Stupid, boring, murderous... Total lefty b.s. And this is from a person who spent the first 18 years of their life living there.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 05, 2016 08:56 AM (iQIUe)
I am aware that over the past 8 years or so, I have settled into a "media cocoon" limiting my exposure to right wing sites and commentators. And I know that's not a good thing.
But what else to do when even a goddamn chef can't make a show about restaurants without inserting his stupid leftist opinions? I'm so tired of being lectured to and scolded by people like that jackass Bourdain.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 05, 2016 08:56 AM (iQIUe)
I am aware that over the past 8 years or so, I have settled into a "media cocoon" limiting my exposure to right wing sites and commentators. And I know that's not a good thing.
But what else to do when even a goddamn chef can't make a show about restaurants without inserting his stupid leftist opinions? I'm so tired of being lectured to and scolded by people like that jackass Bourdain.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 09:03 AM (u0lmX)
175
So he thinks Rummy will work for Hilary?
Posted by: Jean at May 05, 2016 09:03 AM (cXiMR)
176
I responded with random ramblings
"I went on-line in my chat-group and told everybody how cool you are and asked them if they thought I had a chance with you and wondered for days whether I was going to get fired and sued for sending you a message! And they were cool with that!"
Something...along those lines? Because at this point I'd be less worried about HR than about her personal, um, search engine, IYGWIM. Because if she finds our deliberations here and doesn't freak out, jesus man, she's Cake Girl and Tri-Corn Hat Girl rolled into one. And that would be pretty cool.
"I went on-line in my chat-group and told everybody how cool you are and asked them if they thought I had a chance with you and wondered for days whether I was going to get fired and sued for sending you a message! And they were cool with that!"
Something...along those lines? Because at this point I'd be less worried about HR than about her personal, um, search engine, IYGWIM. Because if she finds our deliberations here and doesn't freak out, jesus man, she's Cake Girl and Tri-Corn Hat Girl rolled into one. And that would be pretty cool.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 05, 2016 09:04 AM (tIja6)
177
posted by chemjeff
How did Mike Rowe do in the primaries?
Trump is promoting leftist economic theory by even considering a minimum wage hike.
There. Are you happy? Did that make the voices in your head go away?
I was not a Trump supporter. Just an observer and frequently wrong prognosticator. But I admire his brazen political tactics which clash with the tea and crumpets GOPe. He pissed off my enemies. That made me glad. And I recognize reality when I see it.
I can give you 19 trillion reasons why NO ONE running for office is going to "save us" from the coming collapse.
How did Mike Rowe do in the primaries?
Trump is promoting leftist economic theory by even considering a minimum wage hike.
There. Are you happy? Did that make the voices in your head go away?
I was not a Trump supporter. Just an observer and frequently wrong prognosticator. But I admire his brazen political tactics which clash with the tea and crumpets GOPe. He pissed off my enemies. That made me glad. And I recognize reality when I see it.
I can give you 19 trillion reasons why NO ONE running for office is going to "save us" from the coming collapse.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 09:05 AM (Gwldq)
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174 Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 09:03 AM (u0lmX)
That is ESPN....in essence people like Tony Kornhole, and the various "house" shows on TV can't shut the fuck up and do their job they have to virtue signal.
Cut the cord.
That is ESPN....in essence people like Tony Kornhole, and the various "house" shows on TV can't shut the fuck up and do their job they have to virtue signal.
Cut the cord.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 09:05 AM (g8Hfr)
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Isn't that a given?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 08:48 AM (mEZce)
-----------------------
Not necessarily. He hacked Sid Blumenthal's account, but did he actually get into Hillary's server? If he did, why didn't he leak all the contents the way he did his other hacking victims?
He variously claims 1) to have looked at Hillary's server "like twice" because it was "voter stuff" that wasn't "interesting" -- and 2) that it was "hot stuff" full of "national security" info that he would read for hours after which he would go do his gardening. He doesn't seem to know where 2GB of data is, although it might be "in the Guccifer archives," whatever that means.
He is after all a hacker and a probable braggart. We really won't know what he got until/unless the FBI or DOJ makes their findings public.
Isn't that a given?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 08:48 AM (mEZce)
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Not necessarily. He hacked Sid Blumenthal's account, but did he actually get into Hillary's server? If he did, why didn't he leak all the contents the way he did his other hacking victims?
He variously claims 1) to have looked at Hillary's server "like twice" because it was "voter stuff" that wasn't "interesting" -- and 2) that it was "hot stuff" full of "national security" info that he would read for hours after which he would go do his gardening. He doesn't seem to know where 2GB of data is, although it might be "in the Guccifer archives," whatever that means.
He is after all a hacker and a probable braggart. We really won't know what he got until/unless the FBI or DOJ makes their findings public.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 09:06 AM (pC96u)
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Weazelzippers
Tow truck operator refuses to tow woman's car because of her support bernie bumper stickers. Advised her to call the govt for a tow.
Heh. Heh, heh.
Tow truck operator refuses to tow woman's car because of her support bernie bumper stickers. Advised her to call the govt for a tow.
Heh. Heh, heh.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 05, 2016 09:06 AM (vRKfn)
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Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 05, 2016 09:04 AM (tIja6)
LOL. Yeah, I'd probably be fucked. But on the plus side - HR isn't an issue since she no longer works here.
LOL. Yeah, I'd probably be fucked. But on the plus side - HR isn't an issue since she no longer works here.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 09:06 AM (mEZce)
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Hi Dave, you should team up with Brandon/CAC at the Decision Desk.
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Thanks MH, but I don't have anywhere near CAC's chops
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Thanks MH, but I don't have anywhere near CAC's chops
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 05, 2016 09:08 AM (jN+fS)
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Weazelzippers
Tow truck operator refuses to tow woman's car because of her support bernie bumper stickers. Advised her to call the govt for a tow.
Heh. Heh, heh.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 05, 2016 09:06 AM (vRKfn)
As long as he baked her a cake, he's probably in the clear.
Tow truck operator refuses to tow woman's car because of her support bernie bumper stickers. Advised her to call the govt for a tow.
Heh. Heh, heh.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 05, 2016 09:06 AM (vRKfn)
As long as he baked her a cake, he's probably in the clear.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 09:08 AM (4ng05)
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Remember when Trump said his bowling was Special Olympics worthy? What a hater.
Posted by: POTUS at May 05, 2016 09:08 AM (gwG9s)
185
He is after all a hacker and a probable braggart. We really won't know what he got until/unless the FBI or DOJ makes their findings public.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 09:06 AM (pC96u)
Thanks. Haven't been following it that closely and thought he released all that he had. Didn't know about the 'missing' data.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 09:06 AM (pC96u)
Thanks. Haven't been following it that closely and thought he released all that he had. Didn't know about the 'missing' data.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 09:08 AM (mEZce)
186
Minnesota has banned "non-essential" travel to NC. However, since their Lacrosse team is "Club Level" and not officially bound by the system for major sports, the team is here for the Championships. Of course, a local troll reporter found "some fans" who are uncomfortable and upset by traveling here for the National Championships this weekend,..."The fact that you even have to think about something like this is sad. It's a majorly discriminatory law", said one player's Mom.
I'll be working the tournament with one eye on the lookout for nutcases and disruptors all weekend.
I'll be working the tournament with one eye on the lookout for nutcases and disruptors all weekend.
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 05, 2016 09:08 AM (2cS/G)
187
We have lost this argument b/c the supine butt thrust right refused to
grab the donks by the throat and point out "you do this and UE will go
UP in your town/state."
But they DO. The reason why we are seeing so many minimum wage *referenda* is because minimum wage *legislation* typically stalled in state legislatures, mostly due to Republican opposition. So the activist left bypasses the state legislatures, goes directly to the people with their Marxist "stick-it-to-big-business" arguments and their weepy "think-of-the-children" arguments and convince the public to support raising minimum wages, even in normally conservative states like Nebraska.
I mean, I don't know. I guess many people around here now think that Republicans should just pander to the mob, and if the people want minimum wage increases, then Republicans like Trump should give it to them, even if it makes poor economic sense.
grab the donks by the throat and point out "you do this and UE will go
UP in your town/state."
But they DO. The reason why we are seeing so many minimum wage *referenda* is because minimum wage *legislation* typically stalled in state legislatures, mostly due to Republican opposition. So the activist left bypasses the state legislatures, goes directly to the people with their Marxist "stick-it-to-big-business" arguments and their weepy "think-of-the-children" arguments and convince the public to support raising minimum wages, even in normally conservative states like Nebraska.
I mean, I don't know. I guess many people around here now think that Republicans should just pander to the mob, and if the people want minimum wage increases, then Republicans like Trump should give it to them, even if it makes poor economic sense.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 09:09 AM (uAvJJ)
188
The Daily Caller piece on regulations did not give a link to the source document. It is an 89 page PDF document that looks pretty substantial. I'm going to start nibbling away at it. Here's the link if anyone else is interested:
"Ten Thousand Commandments"
http://tinyurl.com/gvo3l6o
This, in particular, has troubled me about the tyranny of the bureaucracy:
"Policy makers have a responsibility to disclose regulatory costs, whatever uncertainties exist in measuring them. Indeed, in many respects, costs are unmeasurable to third parties."
"Ten Thousand Commandments"
http://tinyurl.com/gvo3l6o
This, in particular, has troubled me about the tyranny of the bureaucracy:
"Policy makers have a responsibility to disclose regulatory costs, whatever uncertainties exist in measuring them. Indeed, in many respects, costs are unmeasurable to third parties."
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 09:09 AM (NeFrd)
189
>>>166
So Trump's playing 9-dimensional chess... Got it....
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 09:02 AM (uAvJJ)
_______
Glad to have you aboard the #TrumpTrain
So Trump's playing 9-dimensional chess... Got it....
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 09:02 AM (uAvJJ)
_______
Glad to have you aboard the #TrumpTrain
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 09:10 AM (10hEu)
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187 Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 09:09 AM (uAvJJ)
The Right has no one that CONVINCES like Friedman did...
we let our "genius class" die.
You don't take a snake from the nursery and put it in your older kids' bedroom you kill it.
The GOP does not KILL the snake anymore.
The Right has no one that CONVINCES like Friedman did...
we let our "genius class" die.
You don't take a snake from the nursery and put it in your older kids' bedroom you kill it.
The GOP does not KILL the snake anymore.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 09:11 AM (g8Hfr)
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Isis members can now be stripped of Australian citizenship
http://goo.gl/yUYIzw
The caveat at is that they can only do it if the terrorist is not left stateless. So, as long as they have dual citizenship, they can strip them of Aussie citizenship.
Another problem is if they are serving a sentence in australia, where do they deport them if the their home country refuses to take them? Or some kangaroo Human Rights Court says they cant be deported to a country because it is a hell hole -- a hell hole the terrorist created?
http://goo.gl/yUYIzw
The caveat at is that they can only do it if the terrorist is not left stateless. So, as long as they have dual citizenship, they can strip them of Aussie citizenship.
Another problem is if they are serving a sentence in australia, where do they deport them if the their home country refuses to take them? Or some kangaroo Human Rights Court says they cant be deported to a country because it is a hell hole -- a hell hole the terrorist created?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 05, 2016 09:11 AM (iQIUe)
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I mean, I don't know. I guess many people around here now think that Republicans should just pander to the mob
Pandering to the mob is ALL that is left.
They had 40 years to make their case.
They didn't.
I mean, I don't know. I guess many people around here now think that Republicans should just pander to the mob
Pandering to the mob is ALL that is left.
They had 40 years to make their case.
They didn't.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 09:11 AM (Gwldq)
193
One hundred percent, grade A, snark at instapundit.
The headline is all you need.
President Ash Carter disagrees with predecessor Obama, says fight with ISIS far from over.
The headline is all you need.
President Ash Carter disagrees with predecessor Obama, says fight with ISIS far from over.
Posted by: Loran Gerban at May 05, 2016 09:11 AM (pCm/c)
194
German Men Go On Trial For Running 'Sharia Police' Force
-WZ
The outcome of this will be telling
-WZ
The outcome of this will be telling
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 09:11 AM (mEZce)
195
We like Mr. Trump. We can do business with him.
Posted by: Charlotte City Council at May 05, 2016 09:13 AM (eHpnh)
196
194 Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 09:11 AM (mEZce)
The outcome is pre-ordained.
The Sharia-Cops are going to be commended for enforcing community standards.
The outcome is pre-ordained.
The Sharia-Cops are going to be commended for enforcing community standards.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 09:13 AM (g8Hfr)
197
So the NFL is warning about tainted beef from China and Mexico.
We're getting beef from China? Why are we getting beef from China? Mexico...eh... maybe. China?
We're getting beef from China? Why are we getting beef from China? Mexico...eh... maybe. China?
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 09:13 AM (4ng05)
198
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 05, 2016 08:55 AM (jN+fS)
Dave, if you say that the polls show Hillary beating Trump, I've got to believe you - just like Ace does.
But, just for fun, can you go back and tell me how Bernie won in Michigan when the polls had Hillary 21 points ahead?
Polls are to be believed. Like Global Warming.
Dave, if you say that the polls show Hillary beating Trump, I've got to believe you - just like Ace does.
But, just for fun, can you go back and tell me how Bernie won in Michigan when the polls had Hillary 21 points ahead?
Polls are to be believed. Like Global Warming.
Posted by: jwest at May 05, 2016 09:13 AM (Zs4uk)
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Thanks MH, but I don't have anywhere near CAC's chops
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 05, 2016 09:08 AM (jN+fS)
Don't sell yourself short. Your polling info I find fascinating. I think you would be a good addition.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 05, 2016 09:08 AM (jN+fS)
Don't sell yourself short. Your polling info I find fascinating. I think you would be a good addition.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 09:14 AM (voOPb)
200
One trick ponies
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 09:14 AM (V/InG)
201
We're getting beef from China? Why are we getting beef from China? Mexico...eh... maybe. China?
The Environmental Cult within the Obama regime has brutally reduced the amount of range land in the west available for raising cattles.
The Environmental Cult within the Obama regime has brutally reduced the amount of range land in the west available for raising cattles.
Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 09:14 AM (O7MnT)
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German Men Go On Trial For Running 'Sharia Police' Force
-WZ
The outcome of this will be telling
Breitbart : London
Women's Equality Party admits it has no position on Sharia law.
-WZ
The outcome of this will be telling
Breitbart : London
Women's Equality Party admits it has no position on Sharia law.
Posted by: Loran Gerban at May 05, 2016 09:15 AM (pCm/c)
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The outcome is pre-ordained.
The Sharia-Cops are going to be commended for enforcing community standards.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 09:13 AM (g8Hfr)
I have a feeling you will be 100 percent correct.
The Sharia-Cops are going to be commended for enforcing community standards.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 09:13 AM (g8Hfr)
I have a feeling you will be 100 percent correct.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 09:15 AM (mEZce)
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I'll be working the tournament with one eye on the lookout for nutcases and disruptors all weekend.
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 05, 2016 09:08 AM (2cS/G
My favorite line when I was official went like this, "Do you want to watch your child play? Because if you keep it up it will be hard to do from the parking lot"
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 05, 2016 09:08 AM (2cS/G
My favorite line when I was official went like this, "Do you want to watch your child play? Because if you keep it up it will be hard to do from the parking lot"
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 09:15 AM (voOPb)
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If Trump can beat Hillary, he can beat Hillary without my vote. I don't need to compromise my principles.
Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 09:15 AM (O7MnT)
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>>>147 Good morning Horde!
(All dat polling)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 05, 2016 08:55 AM (jN+fS)
________
Thank you for that. Are there any demographic's behind that 13% or so that are not going for Hillary or Trump?
It would be interesting to know what combination they are of disaffected Republicans or Democrats or whatever.
(All dat polling)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 05, 2016 08:55 AM (jN+fS)
________
Thank you for that. Are there any demographic's behind that 13% or so that are not going for Hillary or Trump?
It would be interesting to know what combination they are of disaffected Republicans or Democrats or whatever.
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 09:15 AM (10hEu)
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Via Insty:
This is hilarious.
Hillary! just ran and paid for Trump 1st Presidential ad:
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/233042/#respond
This is hilarious.
Hillary! just ran and paid for Trump 1st Presidential ad:
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/233042/#respond
Posted by: naturalfake at May 05, 2016 09:16 AM (oU3Bb)
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205 Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 09:15 AM (O7MnT)
Good for you....
we need a secret signal for the soup lines.
Good for you....
we need a secret signal for the soup lines.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 09:16 AM (g8Hfr)
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Tow truck operator refuses to tow woman's car because of her support bernie bumper stickers. Advised her to call the govt for a tow.
Heh. Heh, heh.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 05, 2016 09:06 AM (vRKfn)
Another feel-good story of the day!
Heh. Heh, heh.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 05, 2016 09:06 AM (vRKfn)
Another feel-good story of the day!
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 09:16 AM (u0lmX)
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Worst part about O-Boy declaring the Stonewall Inn a national monument?
No more hunting. Or drilling.
It's going to ruin the place.
No more hunting. Or drilling.
It's going to ruin the place.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 05, 2016 09:16 AM (tIja6)
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Mawnin' Glawries!
Noticed on the calendar this morning that the name of the day today was printed, in Spanish. Really odd. That isn't done on the other 366. Not even the Cuatro de Julio!
Gonna go start the coffee machine, then track down the Vic News, peruse the Mystery Headlines above, read some of the brilliant Moron comments, and then... it'll be too late for me to comment anywhere. Lucky you.
Noticed on the calendar this morning that the name of the day today was printed, in Spanish. Really odd. That isn't done on the other 366. Not even the Cuatro de Julio!
Gonna go start the coffee machine, then track down the Vic News, peruse the Mystery Headlines above, read some of the brilliant Moron comments, and then... it'll be too late for me to comment anywhere. Lucky you.
Posted by: mindful webworker is sick o' the mayo at May 05, 2016 09:17 AM (E9ede)
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>>>
199
Don't sell yourself short. Your polling info I find fascinating. I think you would be a good addition.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 09:14 AM (voOPb)
________
Seconded!
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Don't sell yourself short. Your polling info I find fascinating. I think you would be a good addition.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 09:14 AM (voOPb)
________
Seconded!
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 09:17 AM (10hEu)
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I think John Mulaney nailed Trump.
Trump is what a hobo imagines what being a rich guy is like. "If I
had a billion dollars, I'd build tall buildings and put my name on them.
I'd fly in a private jet with gold plated bathrooms. And I'd bang
supermodels with big tits."
And the reason Trump won is because he's like a good Family Feud
contestant. When the other candidates were asked in a debate "What do
you think Americans are most concerned about?" They would talk about
National Security or Economy. Trump just says, "They're worried because
our country has big problems," and everybody cheers.
Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 09:00 AM (O7MnT)
=====
This is actually my biggest fear. We (the electorate) have become Reality TV participants -- our reactions scripted by the Producers for ratings. That is not reality, it is show business. Housewives, Apprentices, BooBoo, is not reality.
Trump is what a hobo imagines what being a rich guy is like. "If I
had a billion dollars, I'd build tall buildings and put my name on them.
I'd fly in a private jet with gold plated bathrooms. And I'd bang
supermodels with big tits."
And the reason Trump won is because he's like a good Family Feud
contestant. When the other candidates were asked in a debate "What do
you think Americans are most concerned about?" They would talk about
National Security or Economy. Trump just says, "They're worried because
our country has big problems," and everybody cheers.
Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 09:00 AM (O7MnT)
=====
This is actually my biggest fear. We (the electorate) have become Reality TV participants -- our reactions scripted by the Producers for ratings. That is not reality, it is show business. Housewives, Apprentices, BooBoo, is not reality.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 05, 2016 09:17 AM (MIKMs)
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The Environmental Cult within the Obama regime has brutally reduced the amount of range land in the west available for raising cattles.
Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 09:14 AM (O7MnT)
Yeah, I kinda figured that regulation insanity had something to do with it. Like the BS regulations that make it ok to produce [insert product or commodity here] but not in this country because of 'concern for the planet'. The only concern expressed in these regs is whose pockets the money goes into and how much money can be bilked from "hard working Americans" to pay for it.
Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 09:14 AM (O7MnT)
Yeah, I kinda figured that regulation insanity had something to do with it. Like the BS regulations that make it ok to produce [insert product or commodity here] but not in this country because of 'concern for the planet'. The only concern expressed in these regs is whose pockets the money goes into and how much money can be bilked from "hard working Americans" to pay for it.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 09:18 AM (4ng05)
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213 Posted by: mustbequantum at May 05, 2016 09:17 AM (MIKMs)
Reality TV is responsible for the destruction of US entertainment.
May as well kill politics too.
Reality TV is responsible for the destruction of US entertainment.
May as well kill politics too.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 09:19 AM (g8Hfr)
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210 Worst part about O-Boy declaring the Stonewall Inn a national monument?
No more hunting. Or drilling.
It's going to ruin the place.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 05, 2016 09:16 AM (tIja6)
types
deletes
I'll refrain from the drilling jokes
No more hunting. Or drilling.
It's going to ruin the place.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 05, 2016 09:16 AM (tIja6)
types
deletes
I'll refrain from the drilling jokes
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 09:19 AM (voOPb)
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>>I'm sure that was not aimed at me.
My comment was about the electorate as a whole. The nation is incapable of intellectual soul-searching.
Posted by: Golfman at May 05, 2016 08:52 AM (jIgQw)
<<
It wasn't and I apologize if you took it that way. I realized after I wrote it that might be your perception. But work intervened and I could not post.
Again, not my intent. Sorry if you took it that way.
My comment was about the electorate as a whole. The nation is incapable of intellectual soul-searching.
Posted by: Golfman at May 05, 2016 08:52 AM (jIgQw)
<<
It wasn't and I apologize if you took it that way. I realized after I wrote it that might be your perception. But work intervened and I could not post.
Again, not my intent. Sorry if you took it that way.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 05, 2016 09:20 AM (O0lVq)
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Thanks. Haven't been following it that closely and thought he released all that he had. Didn't know about the 'missing' data.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 09:08 AM (mEZce)
--------------------
Catherine Herridge is great at getting these leaks and interviews, but her style of journalism seems to be to simply report her latest findings, not to spell out the contradictions and info gaps this story still contains. She doesn't seem to be asking the followup questions that might resolve this guy's self-contradictions, although maybe she has her reasons -- doesn't want to come on as hostile to him, language barriers, limited time, who knows. If Hillary loses the FBI primary, a few journalists will write books about it and then we'll get the big picture with all the details filled in.
Thanks. Haven't been following it that closely and thought he released all that he had. Didn't know about the 'missing' data.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 09:08 AM (mEZce)
--------------------
Catherine Herridge is great at getting these leaks and interviews, but her style of journalism seems to be to simply report her latest findings, not to spell out the contradictions and info gaps this story still contains. She doesn't seem to be asking the followup questions that might resolve this guy's self-contradictions, although maybe she has her reasons -- doesn't want to come on as hostile to him, language barriers, limited time, who knows. If Hillary loses the FBI primary, a few journalists will write books about it and then we'll get the big picture with all the details filled in.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 09:20 AM (pC96u)
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'Every business dealing in recent history with a socialist minded person I have not gotten paid,' Shupe said. 'Every time I deal with these people I get 'Berned' with an 'e' not a 'u'.'
Good for him for refusing service
Good for him for refusing service
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 09:20 AM (mEZce)
220
When I made my lunch this morning, I used five times as much mayonnaise as usual. That's the idea, right? What a strange holiday.
Posted by: rickl at May 05, 2016 09:20 AM (zoehZ)
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Posted by: Lincolntf at May 05, 2016 09:08 AM (2cS/G)
I know nothing about Lacrosse, but that idiotic comment makes me hope the Minnesota team gets the snot kicked out of them.
I know nothing about Lacrosse, but that idiotic comment makes me hope the Minnesota team gets the snot kicked out of them.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 09:20 AM (u0lmX)
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216 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 09:19 AM (voOPb)
Somewhere in Cali there's a lawyer a grumbling...
is it an F-250 I hear rumbling?
Roughnecks come hither, there's some drilling in DC needing done.
Don't dither....
//Oklahoma Glitter Band
Somewhere in Cali there's a lawyer a grumbling...
is it an F-250 I hear rumbling?
Roughnecks come hither, there's some drilling in DC needing done.
Don't dither....
//Oklahoma Glitter Band
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 09:21 AM (g8Hfr)
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Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 09:20 AM (pC96u)
Was it Herridge who had her laptop hacked? Or was that Atkinson?
Was it Herridge who had her laptop hacked? Or was that Atkinson?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 09:21 AM (mEZce)
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Tow truck operator refuses to tow woman's car because of her support bernie bumper stickers. Advised her to call the govt for a tow.
-------------------------
GOD I hope that's true.
Tow truck operator refuses to tow woman's car because of her support bernie bumper stickers. Advised her to call the govt for a tow.
-------------------------
GOD I hope that's true.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 09:22 AM (pC96u)
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Even though I was leaning Cruz, every morning I check out the news, I'm reminded that there was no one who's capable of fixing the mess we're in. Today is certainly no different.
Everyone was right in 2012 - that was the last chance to save the country. We're terminal now.
Everyone was right in 2012 - that was the last chance to save the country. We're terminal now.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 09:22 AM (Wckf4)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 09:23 AM (NeFrd)
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I know nothing about Lacrosse, but that idiotic comment makes me hope the Minnesota team gets the snot kicked out of them.
I know quite a lot about lax, and I'm with you.
I know quite a lot about lax, and I'm with you.
Posted by: t-bird at May 05, 2016 09:23 AM (w/iDp)
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"If I
had a billion dollars, I'd build tall buildings and put my name on them."
"Hank Rearden is the kind of man who sticks his name on everything he touches."
1192 pages of overblown, needs-editing, unerringly prescient prophecy.
had a billion dollars, I'd build tall buildings and put my name on them."
"Hank Rearden is the kind of man who sticks his name on everything he touches."
1192 pages of overblown, needs-editing, unerringly prescient prophecy.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 05, 2016 09:23 AM (tIja6)
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Trump is promoting leftist economic theory by even considering a minimum wage hike.
It's not just that it's leftist, it's that the minimum wage is WRONG, economically and morally.
Economically, it is a gross distortion on the labor market and hence on the market of all other goods and services. It is a giant thumb on the scales of the free market.
Oh, and don't forget how raising the minimum wage just encourages the illegal labor market.
Morally, it is wrong not only because it coerces businesses into serving as agents of the welfare state by forcing them to pay workers more than their labor is worth, but it also interferes in the freedom of contract between two consenting adults. Why should the state get involved if two free adults wish to agree on a wage that their betters in government would disapprove of?
And it doesn't even get into how the minimum wage consigns many otherwise worthy individuals to have no job at all because the market value of their labor is too far below the arbitrary minimum set by the state. It diminishes their dignity and self-worth being told that they can't get any job at all, for no good reason.
I don't think Trump understands these arguments *at all*, to be quite honest.
And we used to have politicians who could make arguments like this. They would appeal to people's sense of liberty and being left alone in the marketplace to pursue their dreams, rather than being pandered to with not just a leftist economic doctrine, but a demonstrably WRONG economic doctrine.
It's not just that it's leftist, it's that the minimum wage is WRONG, economically and morally.
Economically, it is a gross distortion on the labor market and hence on the market of all other goods and services. It is a giant thumb on the scales of the free market.
Oh, and don't forget how raising the minimum wage just encourages the illegal labor market.
Morally, it is wrong not only because it coerces businesses into serving as agents of the welfare state by forcing them to pay workers more than their labor is worth, but it also interferes in the freedom of contract between two consenting adults. Why should the state get involved if two free adults wish to agree on a wage that their betters in government would disapprove of?
And it doesn't even get into how the minimum wage consigns many otherwise worthy individuals to have no job at all because the market value of their labor is too far below the arbitrary minimum set by the state. It diminishes their dignity and self-worth being told that they can't get any job at all, for no good reason.
I don't think Trump understands these arguments *at all*, to be quite honest.
And we used to have politicians who could make arguments like this. They would appeal to people's sense of liberty and being left alone in the marketplace to pursue their dreams, rather than being pandered to with not just a leftist economic doctrine, but a demonstrably WRONG economic doctrine.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 09:23 AM (uAvJJ)
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225 Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 09:22 AM (Wckf4)
Which is why I am totally at peace with Trump's idiocy...
The United States embraced brawndo-nomics....
don't think of this as the Space Shuttle's break-apart re-entry as a crash....
think of it as a roller coaster and enjoy the ride.
Which is why I am totally at peace with Trump's idiocy...
The United States embraced brawndo-nomics....
don't think of this as the Space Shuttle's break-apart re-entry as a crash....
think of it as a roller coaster and enjoy the ride.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 09:23 AM (g8Hfr)
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FORE!!
Posted by: *meanwhile, in the Presidential Foursome* at May 05, 2016 09:24 AM (w/iDp)
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221 Posted by: Lincolntf at May 05, 2016 09:08 AM (2cS/G)
I know nothing about Lacrosse, but that idiotic comment makes me hope the Minnesota team gets the snot kicked out of them.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 09:20 AM (u0lmX
Good Lord Donna, every team from MN deserves to get the snot kicked out of them. There's a reason why we call them Mud Ducks up this way
I know nothing about Lacrosse, but that idiotic comment makes me hope the Minnesota team gets the snot kicked out of them.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 09:20 AM (u0lmX
Good Lord Donna, every team from MN deserves to get the snot kicked out of them. There's a reason why we call them Mud Ducks up this way
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 09:24 AM (voOPb)
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 09:25 AM (4ng05)
Posted by: MarkC at May 05, 2016 09:25 AM (iWFQR)
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>>The Chicago city government ran an ad campaign recently that badmouthed North Carolina because of their anti-pervert law.
Also, the UK declared NC and MI unsafe travel destination because of it, several states' governments have restricted state employees from traveling there for business, celebrities are cancelling performances there, Michelle Obama badmouthed MI while delivering a graduation speech in Mississippi (tacky), etc.
It really is amazing to see the full mobilization of the intolerant Left.
They cannot stand that a state has a law in which they disagree, and there is not act of retribution too petty through which they will express it. Like freakin toddlers having an epic tantrum .
Also, the UK declared NC and MI unsafe travel destination because of it, several states' governments have restricted state employees from traveling there for business, celebrities are cancelling performances there, Michelle Obama badmouthed MI while delivering a graduation speech in Mississippi (tacky), etc.
It really is amazing to see the full mobilization of the intolerant Left.
They cannot stand that a state has a law in which they disagree, and there is not act of retribution too petty through which they will express it. Like freakin toddlers having an epic tantrum .
Posted by: Lizzy at May 05, 2016 09:25 AM (NOIQH)
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Of course, a local troll reporter found "some fans" who are uncomfortable and upset by traveling here for the National Championships this weekend,..."The fact that you even have to think about something like this is sad. It's a majorly discriminatory law", said one player's Mom.
I'll be working the tournament with one eye on the lookout for nutcases and disruptors all weekend.
Posted by: Lincolntf
Find her. Follow her into the ladies room.
I'll be working the tournament with one eye on the lookout for nutcases and disruptors all weekend.
Posted by: Lincolntf
Find her. Follow her into the ladies room.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 09:25 AM (6hZFv)
237
I will do my best to work the phrase "Safe Space" into my broadcast, anything more blatant than that would probably get me canned.
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 05, 2016 09:25 AM (2cS/G)
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229 Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 09:23 AM (uAvJJ)
I have made literally thousands of posts.
I have interacted with literally hundreds of minority workers explaining "the dog is chasing its tail"...
America elected Brawndo-nomics twice Jeff...
embrace the suck
I have made literally thousands of posts.
I have interacted with literally hundreds of minority workers explaining "the dog is chasing its tail"...
America elected Brawndo-nomics twice Jeff...
embrace the suck
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 09:25 AM (g8Hfr)
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I always look to see where pet treats are from. Often they wont say China but they will say cities around LA with high Chinese populations. IOW, they import the product from China. Too many pets have died from tainted pet treats from China. In China, they've tainted antibiotics and baby milk, too. Sick sick sick@
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 05, 2016 09:25 AM (iQIUe)
240
So did you see the story of the guy poisoning food up at Michigan grocery stores? They arrested him, but aren't saying his name. Why?
Posted by: lauren at May 05, 2016 09:26 AM (Covpc)
241
Happy Quatro de Mayo, bitchez!
Posted by: Barack O. at May 05, 2016 09:26 AM (FsuaD)
242
The D1 NCAA Lacrosse championships runs May 28-30.
Usually on ESPN (unfortunately).
It's a lot of fun to watch.
Check it out.
Usually on ESPN (unfortunately).
It's a lot of fun to watch.
Check it out.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 05, 2016 09:27 AM (oU3Bb)
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Find her. Follow her into the ladies room.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 09:25 AM (6hZFv)
Threadwinner.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 09:25 AM (6hZFv)
Threadwinner.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 05, 2016 09:27 AM (KUaJL)
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Just listened to the Catherine Herridge report on Guccifer, and NBC news interviewed him before her? And he told them the same info he shared with Herridge?
Huh. Anyone seen this actually broadcasted by NBC or did they disappear the story to protect Hillary?
Huh. Anyone seen this actually broadcasted by NBC or did they disappear the story to protect Hillary?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 05, 2016 09:27 AM (NOIQH)
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240 Posted by: lauren at May 05, 2016 09:26 AM (Covpc)
It's like a game of "name that party"....
of course if it is Dearbornistan....
It's like a game of "name that party"....
of course if it is Dearbornistan....
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 09:27 AM (g8Hfr)
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I'll refrain from the drilling jokes
Hey, I held back from how Barney Fwank pronounces "clear-cutting."
Muldoon would not have done that.
Hey, I held back from how Barney Fwank pronounces "clear-cutting."
Muldoon would not have done that.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 05, 2016 09:27 AM (tIja6)
247
So today we're going to pretend that Trump said he was definitely raising the minimum wage to $15/hour like yesterday we were pretending that Trump has chosen Kasich as his VP as a payoff after a day of pretending that Trump said Cruz's once-pro-Castro dad killed JFK.
I'm sure glad I've got work out of the house this morning.
I'm sure glad I've got work out of the house this morning.
Posted by: andycanuck at May 05, 2016 09:27 AM (f4AGl)
248
"Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said in a statement that Bennett was a friend and counselor."
Bennett passed in his home state of VA (DC?).
I think DC is Romney's home state also.
DC has too many Senators and Representatives.
Bennett passed in his home state of VA (DC?).
I think DC is Romney's home state also.
DC has too many Senators and Representatives.
Posted by: huh? at May 05, 2016 09:27 AM (j2xmV)
249
So did you see the story of the guy poisoning food up at Michigan grocery stores? They arrested him, but aren't saying his name. Why?
Posted by: lauren at May 05, 2016 09:26 AM (Covpc)
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Because it contains "Mohammed"?
So did you see the story of the guy poisoning food up at Michigan grocery stores? They arrested him, but aren't saying his name. Why?
Posted by: lauren at May 05, 2016 09:26 AM (Covpc)
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Because it contains "Mohammed"?
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 09:27 AM (pC96u)
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And we used to have politicians who could make arguments like this. They would appeal to people's sense of liberty and being left alone in the marketplace to pursue their dreams, rather than being pandered to with not just a leftist economic doctrine, but a demonstrably WRONG economic doctrine.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 09:23 AM (uAvJJ)
And the younger the person is they don't care about freedom but security and entitlement. And the blame for this would be and fill another thread.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 09:23 AM (uAvJJ)
And the younger the person is they don't care about freedom but security and entitlement. And the blame for this would be and fill another thread.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 09:27 AM (voOPb)
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"Also, the UK declared NC and MI unsafe travel destination because of it..."
Michigan (MI)?
or
Mississippi (MS)?
Michigan (MI)?
or
Mississippi (MS)?
Posted by: jwest at May 05, 2016 09:27 AM (Zs4uk)
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GOD I hope that's true.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 09:22 AM (pC96u)
Appears to be.
Mommy is fighting her battle for her though!
Heads up, friends... Cass had a wreck in Asheville yesterday. She is fine, but the car was not driveable. We called our mechanic who was tied up in Easley at the time, so he sent ShupeeMax Towing to get her. Kenneth Shupee drove from Travelers Rest to Asheville, hooked up her car, and when he went around to the back, he came back and told her that he wouldn't tow her because she had a Bernie sticker on the back of the car. HE LEFT HER ON THE SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE IN NC, and DROVE AWAY. Spread this bigot's story far & wide. Btw, I'm guessing he's a Trump supporter. The only difference is that the Don would have taken the money, because he at least realizes that liberals' money spends just the same as anyone else's. Dumb (expletive) cost himself money driving all the way to Asheville & back for nothing. (Expletive).
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 09:22 AM (pC96u)
Appears to be.
Mommy is fighting her battle for her though!
Heads up, friends... Cass had a wreck in Asheville yesterday. She is fine, but the car was not driveable. We called our mechanic who was tied up in Easley at the time, so he sent ShupeeMax Towing to get her. Kenneth Shupee drove from Travelers Rest to Asheville, hooked up her car, and when he went around to the back, he came back and told her that he wouldn't tow her because she had a Bernie sticker on the back of the car. HE LEFT HER ON THE SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE IN NC, and DROVE AWAY. Spread this bigot's story far & wide. Btw, I'm guessing he's a Trump supporter. The only difference is that the Don would have taken the money, because he at least realizes that liberals' money spends just the same as anyone else's. Dumb (expletive) cost himself money driving all the way to Asheville & back for nothing. (Expletive).
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 09:27 AM (mEZce)
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And First!
Posted by: Barack O. at May 05, 2016 09:28 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Lutherans and Yutes at May 05, 2016 09:28 AM (w/iDp)
Posted by: Charlotte City Council at May 05, 2016 09:28 AM (eHpnh)
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*flashes of multiple pictures of attractive people doing attractive people activities*
Back-aches? Stomach cramps? Muscle Spasms?
Then *insert name of medicine* maybe right for YOU!
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Good Lord Donna, every team from MN deserves to get the snot kicked out of them. There's a reason why we call them Mud Ducks up this way
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 09:24 AM (voOPb)
That is true. Also true of teams from Illinois.
Good Lord Donna, every team from MN deserves to get the snot kicked out of them. There's a reason why we call them Mud Ducks up this way
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 09:24 AM (voOPb)
That is true. Also true of teams from Illinois.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 09:28 AM (u0lmX)
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***"think of it as a roller coaster and enjoy the ride."***
Oh, I'm with you. I'm not gonna vote for the guy, but I'm not butthurt that he won. We're gonna get exactly what we deserve with either Trump OR Clinton.
I've got my popcorn.
Oh, I'm with you. I'm not gonna vote for the guy, but I'm not butthurt that he won. We're gonna get exactly what we deserve with either Trump OR Clinton.
I've got my popcorn.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 09:29 AM (Wckf4)
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And the younger the person is they don't care about freedom but security and entitlement. And the blame for this would be
their helicopter parents and "everyone gets a trophy!"
their helicopter parents and "everyone gets a trophy!"
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 09:29 AM (6hZFv)
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I think one angle I've tried to pursue is that Cruz lost- but why?. And by the way, I don't think anyone questions he's "conservative". But still, he lost. That is, he could not get enough people to vote for him. That's ultimately how the game works and you can blame Trump, Kasich, Boehner, the weather, Sasquatch, aliens or whatever you want, but the fact is not enough people wanted to vote for him.
By the way, the "game" is the same in the general. This is electoral politics. You get the votes, you win. Like Obama said "I won". It's about the only truth he's muttered in eight years.
Introspection would be- well why not? Not who else contributed to that loss- but why didn't people vote for him? I think Cruz is probably one of the few people who figured out that was the issue and bowed out. He was honest, and at least for the time being he's not projecting blame. That's character and honesty.
By the way, the "game" is the same in the general. This is electoral politics. You get the votes, you win. Like Obama said "I won". It's about the only truth he's muttered in eight years.
Introspection would be- well why not? Not who else contributed to that loss- but why didn't people vote for him? I think Cruz is probably one of the few people who figured out that was the issue and bowed out. He was honest, and at least for the time being he's not projecting blame. That's character and honesty.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 05, 2016 09:29 AM (O0lVq)
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$15 Minimum Wage = Rise of the Robots; its all part of SkyNet's plan
I believe most don't think their job can't be done by a robot, I think they will be sadly mistaken in just 10 years or so....
I believe most don't think their job can't be done by a robot, I think they will be sadly mistaken in just 10 years or so....
Posted by: Colin at May 05, 2016 09:29 AM (jitap)
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Everyone was right in 2012 - that was the last chance to save the country. We're terminal now.
My real vote in 2016 is the Ammo/Silver ticket.
My real vote in 2016 is the Ammo/Silver ticket.
Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 09:29 AM (O7MnT)
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You can watch this weekend's tournament (Club Level, D1 and D2) on CoachesAid.com. Free live streaming. Depending on which games I rotate into, you might even hear my dulcet tones and see my smiling face.
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 05, 2016 09:29 AM (2cS/G)
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And we used to have politicians who could make arguments like this.
>>>>>>
*Who?
And who was their audience?
Lincoln /Douglas wouldn't have made the cut for CSPAN in this modern hell.
*Besides Reagan
And we used to have politicians who could make arguments like this.
>>>>>>
*Who?
And who was their audience?
Lincoln /Douglas wouldn't have made the cut for CSPAN in this modern hell.
*Besides Reagan
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 09:29 AM (Gwldq)
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Re: sidebar article on how Trump beat Clinton.
I'm no longer so convinced that Hillary will certainly trounce Trump. This has been a crazy, unconventional election season, and everyone's predictions have been wrong so far.
Anyway, as someone who doesn't have a dog in the hunt, it will be very interesting to watch. Although I will take great delight at Hillary going down like the Hindenburg.
I'm no longer so convinced that Hillary will certainly trounce Trump. This has been a crazy, unconventional election season, and everyone's predictions have been wrong so far.
Anyway, as someone who doesn't have a dog in the hunt, it will be very interesting to watch. Although I will take great delight at Hillary going down like the Hindenburg.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 09:30 AM (FTIES)
Posted by: steevy at May 05, 2016 09:30 AM (B48dK)
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I believe that the polls show now that Hillary beats Trump.
If the election were today that would be a problem.
So, several things. HUNDREDS of millions of dollars have been spent on negative Trump ads. Virtually none on Hillary.
Yet.
Also, Trump is going to go negative on Hillary like nothing you have ever seen. He will be inside the Clinton spin machine's OODA loop.
And he's going to continue to get a ton of free media while doing it.
If the election were today that would be a problem.
So, several things. HUNDREDS of millions of dollars have been spent on negative Trump ads. Virtually none on Hillary.
Yet.
Also, Trump is going to go negative on Hillary like nothing you have ever seen. He will be inside the Clinton spin machine's OODA loop.
And he's going to continue to get a ton of free media while doing it.
Posted by: blaster at May 05, 2016 09:30 AM (2Ocf1)
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Introspection would be- well why not? Not who else contributed to that
loss- but why didn't people vote for him? I think Cruz is probably one
of the few people who figured out that was the issue and bowed out. He
was honest, and at least for the time being he's not projecting blame.
That's character and honesty.
>>>>
This.
loss- but why didn't people vote for him? I think Cruz is probably one
of the few people who figured out that was the issue and bowed out. He
was honest, and at least for the time being he's not projecting blame.
That's character and honesty.
>>>>
This.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 09:30 AM (Gwldq)
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What's that? There's some kind of problem with the sinks at the Mayo?
I'm heading straight over there...!!
I'm heading straight over there...!!
Posted by: Confused plumber in Rochester, MN at May 05, 2016 09:30 AM (NeFrd)
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So did you see the story of the guy poisoning food up at Michigan grocery stores? They arrested him, but aren't saying his name. Why?
They can't pronounce it? Macdaumbadalluh.
They can't pronounce it? Macdaumbadalluh.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 09:30 AM (6hZFv)
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That is true. Also true of teams from Illinois.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 09:28 AM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 09:28 AM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 09:30 AM (voOPb)
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That's my suspicion. Why not release the name? It's very strange. They have him in custody and released his picture (bro looking dude).
Posted by: lauren at May 05, 2016 09:31 AM (Covpc)
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Everyone was right in 2012 - that was the last chance to save the country. We're terminal now.
My real vote in 2016 is the Ammo/Silver ticket.
Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 09:29 AM (O7MnT)
yep, and maybe I'll start stockpiling some stuff to barter too
My real vote in 2016 is the Ammo/Silver ticket.
Posted by: V the K at May 05, 2016 09:29 AM (O7MnT)
yep, and maybe I'll start stockpiling some stuff to barter too
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at May 05, 2016 09:31 AM (dBmVV)
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DC has too many Senators and Representatives. Posted by: huh? at May 05, 2016 09:27 AM (j2xmV)
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Past time to look into those states with 40% or more of DC-owned land and which people they represent.
DC has too many Senators and Representatives. Posted by: huh? at May 05, 2016 09:27 AM (j2xmV)
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Past time to look into those states with 40% or more of DC-owned land and which people they represent.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 05, 2016 09:32 AM (MIKMs)
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GOD I hope that's true.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 09:22 AM (pC96u)
Appears to be.
Mommy is fighting her battle for her though!
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OMG, precious!
GOD I hope that's true.
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 09:22 AM (pC96u)
Appears to be.
Mommy is fighting her battle for her though!
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OMG, precious!
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 09:32 AM (pC96u)
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"Spread this bigot's story far & wide."
Now you're a "bigot" if you don't like Sanders? Lily white Bernie?
My, my the definition of bigotry just keeps on growing....
Now you're a "bigot" if you don't like Sanders? Lily white Bernie?
My, my the definition of bigotry just keeps on growing....
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 09:32 AM (u0lmX)
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>>Was it Herridge who had her laptop hacked? Or was that Atkinson?
Atkison. She annoyed the WH with her coverage of Fast and Furious and then Benghazi, IIRC.
Atkison. She annoyed the WH with her coverage of Fast and Furious and then Benghazi, IIRC.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 05, 2016 09:32 AM (NOIQH)
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>>>I'm no longer so convinced that Hillary will certainly trounce Trump. This has been a crazy, unconventional election season, and everyone's predictions have been wrong so far.
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Don't ask me for predictions. I had predicted to BCochran on ONT that Trump would be out by Xmas late last summer. Oops I was wrong.
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Don't ask me for predictions. I had predicted to BCochran on ONT that Trump would be out by Xmas late last summer. Oops I was wrong.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 09:33 AM (voOPb)
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 09:33 AM (nbrY/)
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Guccifer had better be careful. Guccifer and who ever he tells will be in big trouble if he talks about classified information he read on Hillary's server (which was legally owned and operated by Bill Clinton according to one report). This whole situation is too strange for fiction. Makes you think the alphabet agencies are pussy whipped. ewee.
Posted by: huh? at May 05, 2016 09:33 AM (Bbcs8)
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Meh,the tow truck driver should have just towed her car and chuckled to himself about her stupidity.Jack up the bill too,if possible.
Posted by: steevy at May 05, 2016 09:33 AM (B48dK)
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FML... Boss and Co-boss, (also his wife) never get here before 10. Ever. Today they walked in at 815.
Mornin hoard, lets just forget this whole Star Wars thing happened, okay?
Mornin hoard, lets just forget this whole Star Wars thing happened, okay?
Posted by: IP at May 05, 2016 09:34 AM (aQQbl)
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"Spread this bigot's story far & wide."
Now you're a "bigot" if you don't like Sanders? Lily white Bernie?
My, my the definition of bigotry just keeps on growing....
When everyone is a bigot, no one is.
Now you're a "bigot" if you don't like Sanders? Lily white Bernie?
My, my the definition of bigotry just keeps on growing....
When everyone is a bigot, no one is.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 09:34 AM (6hZFv)
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So trump makes a nebulous statement about minimum wage...Hey I got a great idea, let's help elect a democrat like hillary or bernie who wants to push the minimum wage to $15+....Excuse while I masturbate my college intellect.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 09:34 AM (V/InG)
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>>>I believe most don't think their job can't be done by a robot, I think they will be sadly mistaken in just 10 years or so....<<<
So how many of you are really clever robots in disguise, and why are you spying on me?
So how many of you are really clever robots in disguise, and why are you spying on me?
Posted by: Fritz at May 05, 2016 09:35 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 09:35 AM (Gwldq)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 05, 2016 09:35 AM (NOIQH)
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"Spread this bigot's story far & wide."
I never used to be a fan of boycotts, but I've changed my view of them.
Since my vote is meaningless (I'm free to vote Left or vote Left), I need other avenues of political expression.
The Left has won, and the personal is, in fact, political.
I never used to be a fan of boycotts, but I've changed my view of them.
Since my vote is meaningless (I'm free to vote Left or vote Left), I need other avenues of political expression.
The Left has won, and the personal is, in fact, political.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 05, 2016 09:36 AM (eHpnh)
Posted by: steevy at May 05, 2016 09:36 AM (B48dK)
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Although Rush predicting that Trump would win in a landslide (just like Romney did! ) is a bad sign for Trump, LOL.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 09:36 AM (FTIES)
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I believe most don't think their job can't be done by a robot, I think they will be sadly mistaken in just 10 years or so....
*****
That's what MUMR thought just four short years ago. Now look where we are.
*****
That's what MUMR thought just four short years ago. Now look where we are.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 09:37 AM (NeFrd)
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That is true. Also true of teams from Illinois.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 09:28 AM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 09:30 AM (voOPb)
=====I was so happy that finally something good had come out of Illinois with the Little League Championship. I should have known better.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 09:28 AM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 09:30 AM (voOPb)
=====I was so happy that finally something good had come out of Illinois with the Little League Championship. I should have known better.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 05, 2016 09:37 AM (MIKMs)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 09:38 AM (mEZce)
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So did you see the story of the guy poisoning food up at Michigan grocery stores? They arrested him, but aren't saying his name. Why?
Posted by: lauren at May 05, 2016 09:26 AM (Covpc)
M is for Mohammed that's his prophet
U is the poison that he sprays
S the slitted throats he dreams of
L a loser who prays for murder when he prays
I is for an illegal alien's act of love
M is for molesting girls on holidays
Put them altogether they spell muslim,
Why don't we import 200, 000 more?
Posted by: lauren at May 05, 2016 09:26 AM (Covpc)
M is for Mohammed that's his prophet
U is the poison that he sprays
S the slitted throats he dreams of
L a loser who prays for murder when he prays
I is for an illegal alien's act of love
M is for molesting girls on holidays
Put them altogether they spell muslim,
Why don't we import 200, 000 more?
Posted by: naturalfake at May 05, 2016 09:38 AM (oU3Bb)
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"definition of bigotry"
Like AGW. Means whatever needed to raise taxes and steal. Also means shut up your white privilege logic before we throw you in jail for some video. Even if you are black. Didn't invite you!
Like AGW. Means whatever needed to raise taxes and steal. Also means shut up your white privilege logic before we throw you in jail for some video. Even if you are black. Didn't invite you!
Posted by: huh? at May 05, 2016 09:38 AM (j2xmV)
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Sixty percent of Germans now say Islam has no place in German politics
http://tinyurl.com/hqltqcq
http://tinyurl.com/hqltqcq
Posted by: McCool at May 05, 2016 09:38 AM (TQxRy)
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I'm no longer so convinced that Hillary will certainly trounce Trump. This has been a crazy, unconventional election season, and everyone's predictions have been wrong so far.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 09:30 AM (FTIES)
Rush thinks the media will discover that really, they want Trump to win. Because a Trump presidency will be so much more fun for them than covering Hillary's ample butt for 4 years. They'll attack Trump nonstop, he'll say outrageous stuff and throw great parties...they'll get to look at the Trump babes inside of Scankles McPantsuit.....
who knows? Not me. I don't know a damned thing about where this election season is going and I'm not going to predict anything.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 09:30 AM (FTIES)
Rush thinks the media will discover that really, they want Trump to win. Because a Trump presidency will be so much more fun for them than covering Hillary's ample butt for 4 years. They'll attack Trump nonstop, he'll say outrageous stuff and throw great parties...they'll get to look at the Trump babes inside of Scankles McPantsuit.....
who knows? Not me. I don't know a damned thing about where this election season is going and I'm not going to predict anything.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 09:39 AM (u0lmX)
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"Spread this bigot's story far wide."
Oh, I will. And, be careful what you ask for.
The trouble with bumper-sticker politics? It's a sticker. On your bumper.
Stopped at the side of the road, evah-boddy wants to make it out as just a decoration, or "freedom of speech" you're spozed-ta overlook. All friends here.
Cutting you off in traffic, they show that finger.
Or in my parts, sometimes the stickers are most of what's holding the bumper on, or the car together. I have one that says "Keesler AFB." Now, it's mostly there to cover up where the AAA sticker came off and took paint with it. But damn if a couple of people haven't given me shit for that. Lost money in Bluxy, I guess.
"Spread this bigot's story far wide."
Oh, I will. And, be careful what you ask for.
The trouble with bumper-sticker politics? It's a sticker. On your bumper.
Stopped at the side of the road, evah-boddy wants to make it out as just a decoration, or "freedom of speech" you're spozed-ta overlook. All friends here.
Cutting you off in traffic, they show that finger.
Or in my parts, sometimes the stickers are most of what's holding the bumper on, or the car together. I have one that says "Keesler AFB." Now, it's mostly there to cover up where the AAA sticker came off and took paint with it. But damn if a couple of people haven't given me shit for that. Lost money in Bluxy, I guess.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 05, 2016 09:39 AM (tIja6)
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290 Although Rush predicting that Trump would win in a landslide (just like Romney did! ) is a bad sign for Trump, LOL.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 09:36 AM (FTIES)
Like talking about a no-hitter in the bottom of the 7th inning.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 09:36 AM (FTIES)
Like talking about a no-hitter in the bottom of the 7th inning.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 09:40 AM (voOPb)
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That's what MUMR thought just four short years ago. Now look where we are.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 09:37 AM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 09:37 AM (NeFrd)
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 09:40 AM (nbrY/)
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one reason to support trump: first president since 1933 (or at least
since 1953) not brought to you by oil money, and bought by ME oil.
think of the possibilities !
since 1953) not brought to you by oil money, and bought by ME oil.
think of the possibilities !
Posted by: runner at May 05, 2016 09:40 AM (c6/9Q)
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"they'll get to look at the Trump babes inside of Scankles McPantsuit..... "
Well, that's one hell of a typo. I mean "instead" not "inside."
Nobody but Huma wants to get inside Hill's pantsuit.
Well, that's one hell of a typo. I mean "instead" not "inside."
Nobody but Huma wants to get inside Hill's pantsuit.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 09:40 AM (u0lmX)
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That's what MUMR thought just four short years ago. Now look where we are.
When MUMR's ramblings can be robotized, skynet has won.
When MUMR's ramblings can be robotized, skynet has won.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 09:41 AM (6hZFv)
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Guccifer had better be careful>>
Celebrity death pool?
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 09:35 AM (Gwldq)
Clinton flying lessons. During his prison furlough. Prior to his testimony.
Celebrity death pool?
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 09:35 AM (Gwldq)
Clinton flying lessons. During his prison furlough. Prior to his testimony.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 05, 2016 09:41 AM (ry34m)
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Although Rush predicting that Trump would win in a landslide (just like Romney did! ) is a bad sign for Trump, LOL.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 09:36 AM (FTIES)
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Did Rush predict a landslide for Romney? Or even a victory?
Although Rush predicting that Trump would win in a landslide (just like Romney did! ) is a bad sign for Trump, LOL.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 09:36 AM (FTIES)
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Did Rush predict a landslide for Romney? Or even a victory?
Posted by: iforgot at May 05, 2016 09:41 AM (pC96u)
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It would be interesting to know what combination they are of disaffected Republicans or Democrats or whatever.
I might be able to glean something by taking a look at the ORC internals and one of the other polls
And thanks *blush*
It would be interesting to know what combination they are of disaffected Republicans or Democrats or whatever.
I might be able to glean something by taking a look at the ORC internals and one of the other polls
And thanks *blush*
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 05, 2016 09:41 AM (GZ75p)
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Remember a few weeks back when the homeowner in CO refused to rent his apartment to any Trump supporter? People locally here were contorting themselves into knots explaining that the Fair Housing Act allows discrimination based on political stances and that it was totally okay for that type of discrimination.
Any bets that the same suspects will be jumping up and down and hollering about "public accommodation" over this tow truck incident? The internal inconsistencies of the left never fail to impress me.
Any bets that the same suspects will be jumping up and down and hollering about "public accommodation" over this tow truck incident? The internal inconsistencies of the left never fail to impress me.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 09:42 AM (NeFrd)
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***"Sixty percent of Germans now say Islam has no place in German politics"***
The problem is that it's only 60%.
Wake me up when the Germans finally wake up.
The problem is that it's only 60%.
Wake me up when the Germans finally wake up.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 09:42 AM (Wckf4)
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That's what MUMR thought just four short years ago. Now look where we are.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 09:37 AM (NeFrd)
MUMR is The Lawnmower Man.
I knew it.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 09:37 AM (NeFrd)
MUMR is The Lawnmower Man.
I knew it.
Posted by: Mortimer at May 05, 2016 09:42 AM (Gwldq)
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I know I'll be jacking off to that...
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at May 05, 2016 08:08 AM
I thought you'd transitioned to jilling off?
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at May 05, 2016 08:08 AM
I thought you'd transitioned to jilling off?
Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at May 05, 2016 09:42 AM (aFP77)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 05, 2016 09:42 AM (GZ75p)
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Hillary is running on issues from the 1970's, like equal pay.
You always have to ask politicians that if the solution is so easy, why didn't they do it before, like when Hillary was FOTUS or a US Senator.
Obviously, she didn't implement it at the Clinton Foundation.
Why must we wait one more election cycle to have this great truth revealed ? I mean, wasn't all this solved, as we were told, with the 'Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009' ?
Here is a Nixonian equal pay PSA featuring the recently deceased Yvonne Craig as Bat Girl .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n00xZ_mKQgk
You always have to ask politicians that if the solution is so easy, why didn't they do it before, like when Hillary was FOTUS or a US Senator.
Obviously, she didn't implement it at the Clinton Foundation.
Why must we wait one more election cycle to have this great truth revealed ? I mean, wasn't all this solved, as we were told, with the 'Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009' ?
Here is a Nixonian equal pay PSA featuring the recently deceased Yvonne Craig as Bat Girl .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n00xZ_mKQgk
Posted by: unlawful PSA critic at May 05, 2016 09:42 AM (e8kgV)
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My, my the definition of bigotry just keeps on growing....
The current working definition of "bigot" is "someone who tells me 'no' when I want something".
I tune out all accusations of racism, sexism, and bigotry now. The concepts have been degraded and politicized into meaninglessness.
The current working definition of "bigot" is "someone who tells me 'no' when I want something".
I tune out all accusations of racism, sexism, and bigotry now. The concepts have been degraded and politicized into meaninglessness.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 09:43 AM (9krrF)
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Posted by: Marcus T at May 05, 2016 09:29 AM (O0lVq)
There was an article in weekly standard around a week ago that did a really good post-mortem on Cruz v Trump - don't have the link handy.
It was part of a memo from a Cruz staffer I think.
Very objective.
There was an article in weekly standard around a week ago that did a really good post-mortem on Cruz v Trump - don't have the link handy.
It was part of a memo from a Cruz staffer I think.
Very objective.
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 09:43 AM (nbrY/)
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Sixty percent of Germans now say Islam has no place in German politics
Posted by: McCool at May 05, 2016 09:38 AM (TQxRy)
And 100% of German federal politicians say that 60% of the electorate has no place is German politics.
Posted by: McCool at May 05, 2016 09:38 AM (TQxRy)
And 100% of German federal politicians say that 60% of the electorate has no place is German politics.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 05, 2016 09:43 AM (ry34m)
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Jeebus. Kill me now.
Fucklebee is on Fox right now scolding those who aren't whole-heartedly behind Trump, and hinting that he might, if asked, consider the VP slot.
What an ass.
Fucklebee is on Fox right now scolding those who aren't whole-heartedly behind Trump, and hinting that he might, if asked, consider the VP slot.
What an ass.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 09:43 AM (FsuaD)
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"Fucklebee is on Fox right now scolding those who aren't whole-heartedly behind Trump, and hinting that he might, if asked, consider the VP slot."
Shockah!
"What an ass" is right.
Shockah!
"What an ass" is right.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 05, 2016 09:45 AM (eHpnh)
318
The pictures of the fruit sprayer look like a frat guy. Maybe he's pissed at whole foods because of the fag cake. Think three other groceries were involved though.
Posted by: NCKate at May 05, 2016 09:45 AM (4bHkw)
319
M is for Mohammed that's his prophet
U is the poison that he sprays
S the slitted throats he dreams of
L a loser who prays for murder when he prays
I is for an illegal alien's act of love
M is for molesting girls on holidays
Put them altogether they spell muslim,
*****
I like where you were going with this, but technically doesn't that spell 'mpslim'?
U is the poison that he sprays
S the slitted throats he dreams of
L a loser who prays for murder when he prays
I is for an illegal alien's act of love
M is for molesting girls on holidays
Put them altogether they spell muslim,
*****
I like where you were going with this, but technically doesn't that spell 'mpslim'?
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 09:46 AM (NeFrd)
320
Meh,Fuckabee.What does he bring to the table as a VP?His ability to play bass?
Posted by: steevy at May 05, 2016 09:46 AM (B48dK)
321
>>I'm no longer so convinced that Hillary will certainly trounce Trump.
This has been a crazy, unconventional election season, and everyone's
predictions have been wrong so far.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 09:30 AM (FTIES)
<<
Call me crazy. But it really reminds me how the country elected a one-term senator with a very light resume, a questionable background, very little accomplishments and what certainly seemed like expansive government policies well outside our constitutional framework...twice.
This has been a crazy, unconventional election season, and everyone's
predictions have been wrong so far.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 09:30 AM (FTIES)
<<
Call me crazy. But it really reminds me how the country elected a one-term senator with a very light resume, a questionable background, very little accomplishments and what certainly seemed like expansive government policies well outside our constitutional framework...twice.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 05, 2016 09:46 AM (O0lVq)
322
The pictures of the fruit sprayer look like a frat guy
Looks like a union thug. (assuming it's the same picture)
Looks like a union thug. (assuming it's the same picture)
Posted by: Loran Gerban at May 05, 2016 09:47 AM (pCm/c)
323
You know ... It's not like Cruz's presidential ambitions are shot to hell.
He surely upped his name recognition ... and has a laundry list of shit to improve on before he takes another swing at it. For a first attempt, there's been a hell of a lot that have done worse.
He surely upped his name recognition ... and has a laundry list of shit to improve on before he takes another swing at it. For a first attempt, there's been a hell of a lot that have done worse.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 09:47 AM (8v0G6)
324
"Fucklebee is on Fox right now scolding those who aren't whole-heartedly behind Trump, and hinting that he might, if asked, consider the VP slot."
Actually this is not what he said at all. he said they do NOT have to be whole-heartedly behind trump ( specifically talking about both Preisdend Bush's) but should at least say they will vote for the Republican Nominee.
Actually this is not what he said at all. he said they do NOT have to be whole-heartedly behind trump ( specifically talking about both Preisdend Bush's) but should at least say they will vote for the Republican Nominee.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 09:48 AM (V/InG)
325
267 I believe that the polls show now that Hillary beats Trump.
If the election were today that would be a problem.
So, several things. HUNDREDS of millions of dollars have been spent on negative Trump ads. Virtually none on Hillary.
Yet.
Also, Trump is going to go negative on Hillary like nothing you have ever seen. He will be inside the Clinton spin machine's OODA loop.
And he's going to continue to get a ton of free media while doing it.
-----
Blaster did you read my post? Negative on Hillary won't help him. His problem is his ceiling not her floor.
If the election were today that would be a problem.
So, several things. HUNDREDS of millions of dollars have been spent on negative Trump ads. Virtually none on Hillary.
Yet.
Also, Trump is going to go negative on Hillary like nothing you have ever seen. He will be inside the Clinton spin machine's OODA loop.
And he's going to continue to get a ton of free media while doing it.
-----
Blaster did you read my post? Negative on Hillary won't help him. His problem is his ceiling not her floor.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 05, 2016 09:48 AM (GZ75p)
326
Why did Canadian Tire force a town to evacuate?
Posted by: Bigby's Minute Hand at May 05, 2016 09:49 AM (3ZtZW)
327
Spamjoke. Just got a come-on from one of my hot-rod parts suppliers. Celebrate Cinco de Mayo!
Now "everybody" knows that when it comes to custom painting, flame jobs, louvering, detailing and dashboard upholstery, a Mexican-American is hard to beat. Real Mexicans, maybe bettter. The soft bigotry of low-riding expectations?
I need some interior work, and do not have the balls to ask this one neighbor if he knows anybody. He's a stone-mason and plays accordion. Really really well.
Now "everybody" knows that when it comes to custom painting, flame jobs, louvering, detailing and dashboard upholstery, a Mexican-American is hard to beat. Real Mexicans, maybe bettter. The soft bigotry of low-riding expectations?
I need some interior work, and do not have the balls to ask this one neighbor if he knows anybody. He's a stone-mason and plays accordion. Really really well.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 05, 2016 09:49 AM (tIja6)
328
***"Fucklebee is on Fox right now scolding those who aren't whole-heartedly behind Trump"***
That's ok jowls, my long ass list of candidates I wasn't going to vote for included you.
That's ok jowls, my long ass list of candidates I wasn't going to vote for included you.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 09:49 AM (Wckf4)
329
Actually this is not what he said at all. he said
they do NOT have to be whole-heartedly behind trump ( specifically
talking about both Preisdend Bush's) but should at least say they will
vote for the Republican Nominee.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 09:48 AM (V/InG)
Well then, I guess I misunderstood. He's still an ass, and if asked, I'm sure he'd jump at the chance to run with Trump.
they do NOT have to be whole-heartedly behind trump ( specifically
talking about both Preisdend Bush's) but should at least say they will
vote for the Republican Nominee.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 09:48 AM (V/InG)
Well then, I guess I misunderstood. He's still an ass, and if asked, I'm sure he'd jump at the chance to run with Trump.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 09:50 AM (FsuaD)
330
In Jane's defense, whenever The Huckster comes on ... All I hear is Charlie Brown's teacher.
Dude could be reciting the cure to cancer ... I would have no idea.
Dude could be reciting the cure to cancer ... I would have no idea.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 09:50 AM (8v0G6)
331
Feel good story of the day is heartwarming. What lovely girls, proving that not all teenage girls are awful. A number are actually quite wonderful.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 09:50 AM (FTIES)
332
Any bets that the same suspects will be jumping up and down and hollering about "public accommodation" over this tow truck incident? The internal inconsistencies of the left never fail to impress me.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 09:42 AM (NeFrd)
Just like they've been silent or vocally supportive of all of Obama's executive overreaching, but would scream "dictator!" "tyrant!" if a Republican president did the same.
They're not really internally inconsistent if you remember it all boils down to:
"Everything we do is good. Everything they do is bad."
Any bets that the same suspects will be jumping up and down and hollering about "public accommodation" over this tow truck incident? The internal inconsistencies of the left never fail to impress me.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 09:42 AM (NeFrd)
Just like they've been silent or vocally supportive of all of Obama's executive overreaching, but would scream "dictator!" "tyrant!" if a Republican president did the same.
They're not really internally inconsistent if you remember it all boils down to:
"Everything we do is good. Everything they do is bad."
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 09:50 AM (u0lmX)
333
I like where you were going with this, but technically doesn't that spell 'muslim'?
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 09:46 AM (NeFrd)
No. No....
It's a....perfect....just like I planned.
*shifty eyes*
Yeah, fucked up while writing
U is for the poison that he uses.
Roar Kawfee!!!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 09:46 AM (NeFrd)
No. No....
It's a....perfect....just like I planned.
*shifty eyes*
Yeah, fucked up while writing
U is for the poison that he uses.
Roar Kawfee!!!
Posted by: naturalfake at May 05, 2016 09:50 AM (oU3Bb)
334
Limbaugh also predicted Romney in a landslide. Said he was the "lone wold" on that. Yep. He thought Independents would drag his hair across the finish line.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 05, 2016 09:50 AM (O0lVq)
335
Heads up California morons. The San Andreas Fault is feeling frisky.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 09:51 AM (FsuaD)
336
By the way here in NJ, they gave NJ Transit Union Workers an outrageous new contract...and they assholes voted to turn it down?
So the politicians will probably cave again and up the offer? Assholes.
So the politicians will probably cave again and up the offer? Assholes.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 09:51 AM (V/InG)
337
The soft bigotry of low-riding expectations.
****
Nice! Can I appropriate that for personal use?
****
Nice! Can I appropriate that for personal use?
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at May 05, 2016 09:51 AM (NeFrd)
338
His problem is his ceiling not her floor.
That ceiling seems to keep rising.
Me, I have no idea how this is going to turn out. This whole thing's so far off the map I swear that last sign read "HERE BE DRAGONS".
ALCOHOLIC COMA 2016
Really, you knew it was always going to be thus.
That ceiling seems to keep rising.
Me, I have no idea how this is going to turn out. This whole thing's so far off the map I swear that last sign read "HERE BE DRAGONS".
ALCOHOLIC COMA 2016
Really, you knew it was always going to be thus.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 09:51 AM (9krrF)
339
>>>229 Trump is promoting leftist economic theory by even considering a minimum wage hike.
It's not just that it's leftist, it's that the minimum wage is WRONG, economically and morally.
Economically, it is a gross distortion on the labor market and hence on the market of all other goods and services. It is a giant thumb on the scales of the free market.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 09:23 AM (uAvJJ)
_________
Lets say that in order to win the election a candidate has to pretend to either
A) support a minimum wage Hike
B) oppose a minimum wage hike
c) consider both and make a decision about it after the election
Because we all have seen that any of those three positions can and have won elections at local, state and even national levels, depending on the time and circumstances.
Sweet - b/c Trump is good for all three A,B, & C w/ that feel good, but ultimately meaningless statement. If in November B or C is true then the Dems are screwed and Trump wins.
This is an election, not a theoretical economics class completely independent of actual voters.
What should Trump ultimately do? We agree - he should not raise the wage. What should Trump instead say? Exactly what he did say b/c it leaves him open to "do what is best for the workers" and he can declare after the election whatever he ends up doing IS "what is best for the workers"
Is that underhanded and dishonest? Yes, its politics.
It's not just that it's leftist, it's that the minimum wage is WRONG, economically and morally.
Economically, it is a gross distortion on the labor market and hence on the market of all other goods and services. It is a giant thumb on the scales of the free market.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 09:23 AM (uAvJJ)
_________
Lets say that in order to win the election a candidate has to pretend to either
A) support a minimum wage Hike
B) oppose a minimum wage hike
c) consider both and make a decision about it after the election
Because we all have seen that any of those three positions can and have won elections at local, state and even national levels, depending on the time and circumstances.
Sweet - b/c Trump is good for all three A,B, & C w/ that feel good, but ultimately meaningless statement. If in November B or C is true then the Dems are screwed and Trump wins.
This is an election, not a theoretical economics class completely independent of actual voters.
What should Trump ultimately do? We agree - he should not raise the wage. What should Trump instead say? Exactly what he did say b/c it leaves him open to "do what is best for the workers" and he can declare after the election whatever he ends up doing IS "what is best for the workers"
Is that underhanded and dishonest? Yes, its politics.
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 09:51 AM (10hEu)
340
>>"Spread this bigot's story far wide."
So, let me get this straight:
- A service provider (tow truck operator) is a bigot for refusing service to someone* whose political views are offensive to him (one assumes)
- A service provider (singer) is *not* a bigot for refusing to provide service (a performance - even after selling tickets) to residents of a states whose government enacted legislation that offends him/her.
Gotcha.
*I can understand why the tow situation would be worse, because no one wants to be stranded on the road.
So, let me get this straight:
- A service provider (tow truck operator) is a bigot for refusing service to someone* whose political views are offensive to him (one assumes)
- A service provider (singer) is *not* a bigot for refusing to provide service (a performance - even after selling tickets) to residents of a states whose government enacted legislation that offends him/her.
Gotcha.
*I can understand why the tow situation would be worse, because no one wants to be stranded on the road.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 05, 2016 09:51 AM (NOIQH)
341
Well then, I guess I misunderstood. He's still an ass, and if asked, I'm sure he'd jump at the chance to run with Trump.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 09:50 AM (FsuaD)
LOL, I doubt Trump would even consider him...He brings nothing to the ticket except a few extra pounds
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 09:50 AM (FsuaD)
LOL, I doubt Trump would even consider him...He brings nothing to the ticket except a few extra pounds
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 09:52 AM (V/InG)
342
Actually this is not what he said at all. he said they do NOT have to be whole-heartedly behind trump ( specifically talking about both Preisdend Bush's) but should at least say they will vote for the Republican Nominee.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 09:48 AM (V/InG)
Why? A lot of people have said they would never vote for Jeb or Rubio. Why should Trump suddenly receive special treatment?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 09:48 AM (V/InG)
Why? A lot of people have said they would never vote for Jeb or Rubio. Why should Trump suddenly receive special treatment?
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 09:53 AM (FTIES)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 09:53 AM (FsuaD)
344
It wasn't and I apologize if you took it that way. I
realized after I wrote it that might be your perception. But work
intervened and I could not post.
Again, not my intent. Sorry if you took it that way.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 05, 2016 09:20 AM (O0lVq)
Cool. I try to not be an asshole here. I'm a big enough one in real life. Just ask my wife or some of my staff.
I've just sorta given up. Acceptance, I guess.
Still pissed though. 330 million people and look at the 3 that are left standing..
realized after I wrote it that might be your perception. But work
intervened and I could not post.
Again, not my intent. Sorry if you took it that way.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 05, 2016 09:20 AM (O0lVq)
Cool. I try to not be an asshole here. I'm a big enough one in real life. Just ask my wife or some of my staff.
I've just sorta given up. Acceptance, I guess.
Still pissed though. 330 million people and look at the 3 that are left standing..
Posted by: Golfman at May 05, 2016 09:54 AM (jIgQw)
345
Why? A lot of people have said they would never vote for Jeb or Rubio. Why should Trump suddenly receive special treatment?
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 09:53 AM (FTIES)
Again, he was talking about 2 Former Republican Presidents, not everyone. And what anyone said in the Primaries is now null and void going forward.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 09:53 AM (FTIES)
Again, he was talking about 2 Former Republican Presidents, not everyone. And what anyone said in the Primaries is now null and void going forward.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 09:54 AM (V/InG)
346
>>So Mayor DeCommio is urging New Yorkers to boycott Chick-fil-A.
New York values and all that.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 09:53 AM (FsuaD)
<<
Which means most of us "insurgents" will be having it for lunch today and better get there early. Guaranteed line.
New York values and all that.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 09:53 AM (FsuaD)
<<
Which means most of us "insurgents" will be having it for lunch today and better get there early. Guaranteed line.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 05, 2016 09:54 AM (O0lVq)
347
"I might be able to glean something by taking a look at the ORC internals and one of the other polls "
What good are the internals if you don't have the methodology?
Is ORC mimicking Monmouth when they take deduct 3 points on the republican side and add 3 points on the democrat side because they think the cell phone/land line difference is the same as 2008?
Is ORC simply using the exact 2012 turnout model?
As with global warming data, garbage in equals garbage out.
Being in Michigan, everyone here knew Bernie was going to win just from the enthusiasm on the dem side, all the yard signs and the turnout at the rallies. The polls showed Hillary 21 points ahead.
The pollsters were just plugging in the same model for Hillary as the Obama results from 4 years previous. Who does something that stupid?
You can make numbers say anything you want.
What good are the internals if you don't have the methodology?
Is ORC mimicking Monmouth when they take deduct 3 points on the republican side and add 3 points on the democrat side because they think the cell phone/land line difference is the same as 2008?
Is ORC simply using the exact 2012 turnout model?
As with global warming data, garbage in equals garbage out.
Being in Michigan, everyone here knew Bernie was going to win just from the enthusiasm on the dem side, all the yard signs and the turnout at the rallies. The polls showed Hillary 21 points ahead.
The pollsters were just plugging in the same model for Hillary as the Obama results from 4 years previous. Who does something that stupid?
You can make numbers say anything you want.
Posted by: jwest at May 05, 2016 09:55 AM (Zs4uk)
348
I'm not totally convinced that this Presidential Cycle isn't being orchestrated by Vince McMahon.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 09:55 AM (8v0G6)
349
@337 Sure -- but if the guy does a good tuck and roll job, send me his number will you?
Got to meet some early car-hopping' lowriders in the 70's. Terrific "rump engineers," the kinds of guys the car hobby used to turn out by the thousands. Those were mil-surp landing-gear jacks launching those Chebbies, and both Navy and AF vet techs figuring out the double-volting and dump valves. Awesome.
Got to meet some early car-hopping' lowriders in the 70's. Terrific "rump engineers," the kinds of guys the car hobby used to turn out by the thousands. Those were mil-surp landing-gear jacks launching those Chebbies, and both Navy and AF vet techs figuring out the double-volting and dump valves. Awesome.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 05, 2016 09:56 AM (tIja6)
350
Why? A lot of people have said they would never vote for Jeb or Rubio. Why should Trump suddenly receive special treatment?
After being told we had to march to the booth and pull the lever for the likes of McCain and Romney, suddenly hearing that Trump requires no special loyalty rubs a lot of people the wrong way.
Hypocrites, hypocrites everywhere.
After being told we had to march to the booth and pull the lever for the likes of McCain and Romney, suddenly hearing that Trump requires no special loyalty rubs a lot of people the wrong way.
Hypocrites, hypocrites everywhere.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 09:57 AM (9krrF)
351
341 Well then, I guess I misunderstood. He's still an ass, and if asked, I'm sure he'd jump at the chance to run with Trump.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 09:50 AM (FsuaD)
LOL, I doubt Trump would even consider him...He brings nothing to the ticket except a few extra pounds
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 09:52 AM (V/InG
My first prediction about Trump's pick would be a centrist to left of center person. That looks wrong now. Oh well, I don't get paid like Karl Rove.
My next predicition is a low tier congressman/senator. Maybe even Newt. Trump will need someone to help him steer his way with The Hill. If he wins. Big IF
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 09:50 AM (FsuaD)
LOL, I doubt Trump would even consider him...He brings nothing to the ticket except a few extra pounds
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 09:52 AM (V/InG
My first prediction about Trump's pick would be a centrist to left of center person. That looks wrong now. Oh well, I don't get paid like Karl Rove.
My next predicition is a low tier congressman/senator. Maybe even Newt. Trump will need someone to help him steer his way with The Hill. If he wins. Big IF
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 09:57 AM (voOPb)
352
348 I'm not totally convinced that this Presidential Cycle isn't being orchestrated by Vince McMahon.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 09:55 AM (8v0G6)
So can we expect Trumps Face-Heel turn before or after November?
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 09:55 AM (8v0G6)
So can we expect Trumps Face-Heel turn before or after November?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 05, 2016 09:57 AM (KUaJL)
353
Damn. Fox showing video of the ISIS raid that killed our SEAL.
God bless that brave man and comfort his poor family and fiancee.
But Joshin' Earnest says it wasn't combat-combat.
Sure looked like boots on the ground to me. A two-hour fire fight.
Dammit.
God bless that brave man and comfort his poor family and fiancee.
But Joshin' Earnest says it wasn't combat-combat.
Sure looked like boots on the ground to me. A two-hour fire fight.
Dammit.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 09:58 AM (FsuaD)
354
After being told we had to march to the booth and pull the lever for the likes of McCain and Romney, suddenly hearing that Trump requires no special loyalty rubs a lot of people the wrong way.
Hypocrites, hypocrites everywhere.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Bush1, Bush2, McCain, and Romney.
Hypocrites, hypocrites everywhere.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Bush1, Bush2, McCain, and Romney.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 10:00 AM (6hZFv)
355
***"After being told we had to march to the booth and pull the lever for the likes of McCain and Romney, suddenly hearing that Trump requires no special loyalty rubs a lot of people the wrong way."***
Nonsense. People are still repeating this Go Team, Go crap. More people are just changing their minds and getting off that train of nonthought. That's not hypocrisy; that's waking up.
Nonsense. People are still repeating this Go Team, Go crap. More people are just changing their minds and getting off that train of nonthought. That's not hypocrisy; that's waking up.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 10:00 AM (Wckf4)
356
BBC radio had a piece on Chinas child policy.
They have family planning police. They go into the small towns and villages to examine the women and give abortions and sterilzations.
Every woman has an identify card that is linked to her e medical records. Every woman has a government issued IUD. I guess they do not trust them with the pill. Four times a year women have to submit to an ultrasound to ensure their government issued IUD is in place
When a woman wants to get pregnant she has to fill in a request for to seek permission. Even if she has never had a child before. When she receives permission she gets frequent ultrasounds looking for any abnormalities. If they detect any issues with the baby, it will be aborted
China had a one child policy, now its been increased to two.
If you have a child without permission, you will be forced to pay a "maintenance fee", a child tax basically. Some of the rural areas rely on these fees to support the local government. These fees are supposed to recompese the state for the extra burden the child will place on state resources. In reality, the moneys have been used for restaurant bills and expensive silk clothing.
Family planning officials are more powerful than police. They collect these "maintenance fees", and the central government gives them a quota of how much they are supposed to collect. If they do not make the quota, the money comes out of the family planning officials pocket.
So in order to collect these "maintenance fees", local familiy planning officials have hired the local mafias to collect. They will kidnap the father and other family members in order to compell the complaince of the pregnant mother. Sometimes they want the "maintenance fee" which can be as high as ten thousand US dollars. Sometimess they want the mther to abort, even if she is six months pregnant. These state hired mafias will kidnap and beat family members until they get what the want. They take the kidnapped family members to rundown hotels called "black jails".
this is government run healthcare. This is the model Paul Krugman is so in love with
BBC radio had a piece on Chinas child policy.
They have family planning police. They go into the small towns and villages to examine the women and give abortions and sterilzations.
Every woman has an identify card that is linked to her e medical records. Every woman has a government issued IUD. I guess they do not trust them with the pill. Four times a year women have to submit to an ultrasound to ensure their government issued IUD is in place
When a woman wants to get pregnant she has to fill in a request for to seek permission. Even if she has never had a child before. When she receives permission she gets frequent ultrasounds looking for any abnormalities. If they detect any issues with the baby, it will be aborted
China had a one child policy, now its been increased to two.
If you have a child without permission, you will be forced to pay a "maintenance fee", a child tax basically. Some of the rural areas rely on these fees to support the local government. These fees are supposed to recompese the state for the extra burden the child will place on state resources. In reality, the moneys have been used for restaurant bills and expensive silk clothing.
Family planning officials are more powerful than police. They collect these "maintenance fees", and the central government gives them a quota of how much they are supposed to collect. If they do not make the quota, the money comes out of the family planning officials pocket.
So in order to collect these "maintenance fees", local familiy planning officials have hired the local mafias to collect. They will kidnap the father and other family members in order to compell the complaince of the pregnant mother. Sometimes they want the "maintenance fee" which can be as high as ten thousand US dollars. Sometimess they want the mther to abort, even if she is six months pregnant. These state hired mafias will kidnap and beat family members until they get what the want. They take the kidnapped family members to rundown hotels called "black jails".
this is government run healthcare. This is the model Paul Krugman is so in love with
Posted by: ThunderB at May 05, 2016 10:00 AM (zOTsN)
357
There will not be a H'wd movie about Charles Keating IV, SEAL.
It's not the ideology. It's just that the movie industry does not have an actor good-looking enough to impersonate that stud. What a man. Lived well.
It's not the ideology. It's just that the movie industry does not have an actor good-looking enough to impersonate that stud. What a man. Lived well.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 05, 2016 10:00 AM (tIja6)
358
the way things are going on the other side, perhaps it is more expedient to start polling Trump v. Bernie ?
Posted by: runner at May 05, 2016 10:00 AM (c6/9Q)
359
The black hawk helicopter that came in for Keating was also hit.
The SEALs chose to not leave the fire fight, and stay and fight alongside the Kurds. They were defending a Christian village.
The SEALs chose to not leave the fire fight, and stay and fight alongside the Kurds. They were defending a Christian village.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 10:00 AM (FsuaD)
360
Jwest - I'm going to go back and look at those Michigan polls since you bring them up.
As for polls being wrong, I thought in 2012 that they were wrong. And some of them were, Rasmussen greatly overstated Romney's support. But the RCP average nailed the final outcome of the election and was right this early out.
Remember the polls could be wrong in the other direction too. Hillary might beat him by 10 instead of 5.
As for polls being wrong, I thought in 2012 that they were wrong. And some of them were, Rasmussen greatly overstated Romney's support. But the RCP average nailed the final outcome of the election and was right this early out.
Remember the polls could be wrong in the other direction too. Hillary might beat him by 10 instead of 5.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 05, 2016 10:01 AM (GZ75p)
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353 Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 09:58 AM (FsuaD)
If we don't plan on actually giving the troops fire support, good RoE, or decent intel it is not "combat combat"....
//Josh "fucking asshole" Earnest
If we don't plan on actually giving the troops fire support, good RoE, or decent intel it is not "combat combat"....
//Josh "fucking asshole" Earnest
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 10:01 AM (g8Hfr)
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I'm not totally convinced that this Presidential Cycle isn't being orchestrated by Vince McMahon. Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 09:55 AM (8v0G6)
=====
We are living in a production of TheProducers -- something so bad that it is a runaway hit.
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We are living in a production of TheProducers -- something so bad that it is a runaway hit.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 05, 2016 10:01 AM (MIKMs)
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358 the way things are going on the other side, perhaps it is more expedient to start polling Trump v. Bernie ?
They have. Trump loses to Bernie by 13.
They have. Trump loses to Bernie by 13.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 05, 2016 10:02 AM (GZ75p)
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322 The pictures of the fruit sprayer look like a frat guy
Looks like a union thug. (assuming it's the same picture)
Posted by: Loran Gerban at May 05, 2016 09:47 AM (pCm/c)
Some are saying that he is schizophrenic
Looks like a union thug. (assuming it's the same picture)
Posted by: Loran Gerban at May 05, 2016 09:47 AM (pCm/c)
Some are saying that he is schizophrenic
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 10:02 AM (mEZce)
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359 Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 10:00 AM (FsuaD)
It sure would have sucked to have AC-130 support on call eh?
We are not serious about the GWoT, I wish we'd bring all the troops home.
It sure would have sucked to have AC-130 support on call eh?
We are not serious about the GWoT, I wish we'd bring all the troops home.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 10:02 AM (g8Hfr)
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There was an article in weekly standard around a week ago that did a really good post-mortem on Cruz v Trump - don't have the link handy.
It was part of a memo from a Cruz staffer I think.
Very objective.
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 09:43 AM (nbrY/)
National Review had one yesterday that's good.
A lot of insidery baseball stuff that perhaps shows some of the technical/organizational/financing glitches inside his campaign:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/434916/ted-cruz-why-he-lost
But, this explains, one thing I was puzzled by, which is why Cruz never really pivoted, once he'd established himself as the most conservative conservative that ever conserved,
to hammer hard the kitchen table issues that concern Americans most right now.
He didn't see that as part of his narrowly conceived path to victory.
When Trump disrupted that path, he didn't retool and respond.
It's the old military problem of a plan, no matter how good, no matter how brilliant, not changing after first contact with the enemy.
It was part of a memo from a Cruz staffer I think.
Very objective.
Posted by: @votermom at May 05, 2016 09:43 AM (nbrY/)
National Review had one yesterday that's good.
A lot of insidery baseball stuff that perhaps shows some of the technical/organizational/financing glitches inside his campaign:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/434916/ted-cruz-why-he-lost
But, this explains, one thing I was puzzled by, which is why Cruz never really pivoted, once he'd established himself as the most conservative conservative that ever conserved,
to hammer hard the kitchen table issues that concern Americans most right now.
He didn't see that as part of his narrowly conceived path to victory.
When Trump disrupted that path, he didn't retool and respond.
It's the old military problem of a plan, no matter how good, no matter how brilliant, not changing after first contact with the enemy.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 05, 2016 10:02 AM (oU3Bb)
367
Aaaand my hate meter for Barry and his merry band of inept bastards just ratcheted up to eleventy.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 10:02 AM (FsuaD)
368
They have. Trump loses to Bernie by 13.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 05, 2016 10:02 AM (GZ75p)
same methodology ?
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 05, 2016 10:02 AM (GZ75p)
same methodology ?
Posted by: runner at May 05, 2016 10:03 AM (c6/9Q)
369
this is government run healthcare. This is the model Paul Krugman is so in love with
Posted by: ThunderB at May 05, 2016 10:00 AM (zOTsN)
Coming soon to your country
Posted by: ThunderB at May 05, 2016 10:00 AM (zOTsN)
Coming soon to your country
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 05, 2016 10:04 AM (voOPb)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 05, 2016 10:04 AM (tIja6)
371
Trump knows how to win.
People still act as if he does not.
He stomped his foes flat.
Conventional weapons were useless against him.
He is not going to win by saying the things Conservatives want him to say.
He is going to win by saying things that get him the most votes.
People still act as if he does not.
He stomped his foes flat.
Conventional weapons were useless against him.
He is not going to win by saying the things Conservatives want him to say.
He is going to win by saying things that get him the most votes.
Posted by: eman at May 05, 2016 10:04 AM (MQEz6)
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It sure would have sucked to have AC-130 support on call eh?
We are not serious about the GWoT, I wish we'd bring all the troops home.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 10:02 AM (g8Hfr)
Yep. I'd love to see Josh Earnest and his boss spend a day or twelve over there.
It sure would have sucked to have AC-130 support on call eh?
We are not serious about the GWoT, I wish we'd bring all the troops home.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 10:02 AM (g8Hfr)
Yep. I'd love to see Josh Earnest and his boss spend a day or twelve over there.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 10:04 AM (FsuaD)
373
After being told we had to march to the booth and pull the lever for the likes of McCain and Romney, suddenly hearing that Trump requires no special loyalty rubs a lot of people the wrong way.
Hypocrites, hypocrites everywhere.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 09:57 AM (9krrF
I get that, but a lot of people here and at other places, I'm sure, said they were done voting for the R nominee just because of the letter after his name.
I agree that the party apparatchiks and such are obligated to support him, but not little old me.
I don't mind them trying to persuade people to support him, but I don't want to be berated into supporting someone who I am completely opposed to - who he is and what he has represented this cycle. Especially since he has never shown any loyalty to the party and is running as a Republican for convenience.
Hypocrites, hypocrites everywhere.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 09:57 AM (9krrF
I get that, but a lot of people here and at other places, I'm sure, said they were done voting for the R nominee just because of the letter after his name.
I agree that the party apparatchiks and such are obligated to support him, but not little old me.
I don't mind them trying to persuade people to support him, but I don't want to be berated into supporting someone who I am completely opposed to - who he is and what he has represented this cycle. Especially since he has never shown any loyalty to the party and is running as a Republican for convenience.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 10:04 AM (FTIES)
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Nonsense. People are still repeating this Go Team, Go crap. More people are just changing their minds and getting off that train of nonthought. That's not hypocrisy; that's waking up.
Bollocks. Simple bollocks. Guarantee if it went back to a GOPe candidate the usual suspects would be right back in 2012 mode. The only thing that changed is it ain't their man this time.
And no, I am no longer willing or able to attribute good faith in the political arena. The last eight years have killed that dead.
Bollocks. Simple bollocks. Guarantee if it went back to a GOPe candidate the usual suspects would be right back in 2012 mode. The only thing that changed is it ain't their man this time.
And no, I am no longer willing or able to attribute good faith in the political arena. The last eight years have killed that dead.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 10:04 AM (9krrF)
375
Hillary consistantly underperforms her polling. Trump consistantly over performs his polling.
Posted by: ThunderB at May 05, 2016 10:04 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Fritz at May 05, 2016 10:05 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 10:05 AM (8v0G6)
378
LOL, I doubt Trump would even consider him...He brings nothing to the ticket except a few extra pounds
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 09:52 AM (V/InG)
He can quote from 2 Corinthians.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 09:52 AM (V/InG)
He can quote from 2 Corinthians.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 10:05 AM (u0lmX)
379
Conventional weapons were useless against him.
He is not going to win by saying the things Conservatives want him to say.
He is going to win by saying things that get him the most votes.
Posted by: eman at May 05, 2016 10:04 AM (MQEz6)
I agree with this. I don't know if he'll win, but I no longer think it's a certainty he loses. With a few well-placed words he could fell Hillary.
He is not going to win by saying the things Conservatives want him to say.
He is going to win by saying things that get him the most votes.
Posted by: eman at May 05, 2016 10:04 AM (MQEz6)
I agree with this. I don't know if he'll win, but I no longer think it's a certainty he loses. With a few well-placed words he could fell Hillary.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 10:06 AM (FTIES)
380
On the minimum wage Trump is playing chess and you are all playing tic tac toe. The objective is not to check issue boxes. The objective is to reject the confines of political ideology and put concrete, measurable goals on the line on each issue. He's already done this on:
A wall
Trade deficits (measured in big round dollar values)
Jobs numbers
Increasing the size of the military
This is exactly how the GOP should have been playing every pissant, chippy little social advocacy issue for the last 20 years: "Yeah I'm open to [$15 minimum wage]. Let's talk about it." And make them run the numbers.
When you instead make it a theoretical economic question, a question of political theory and whether it's morally justifiable to have a minimum wage the issue is no longer, the issue cannot be, about the numbers. It has become another proxy for the "my faith vs your faith" fight that the left took over academia and the media and entertainment in order to win, and we're back on the hamster wheel of trying to fight the progressive hydra. The GOP bravely loses - whether by failure or by design, it's always a loss - and all the little LIV lemmings going "We did it! We have effected historic change!"
And when this program proves to be a middling mediocrity or an outright failure, this anger is harnessed and directed again at US, and lays the groundwork for the next big leftist push.
Through MESSAGE DISCIPLINE and HAVING A PLAN.
We've embraced this loser mentality. We like this fight. That's why the sidebar has an article about how losing to Trump has made Cruz a stronger right-wing politico.
I'm done with this shit. I will not try and convince myself to enjoy the taste of it anymore.
A wall
Trade deficits (measured in big round dollar values)
Jobs numbers
Increasing the size of the military
This is exactly how the GOP should have been playing every pissant, chippy little social advocacy issue for the last 20 years: "Yeah I'm open to [$15 minimum wage]. Let's talk about it." And make them run the numbers.
When you instead make it a theoretical economic question, a question of political theory and whether it's morally justifiable to have a minimum wage the issue is no longer, the issue cannot be, about the numbers. It has become another proxy for the "my faith vs your faith" fight that the left took over academia and the media and entertainment in order to win, and we're back on the hamster wheel of trying to fight the progressive hydra. The GOP bravely loses - whether by failure or by design, it's always a loss - and all the little LIV lemmings going "We did it! We have effected historic change!"
And when this program proves to be a middling mediocrity or an outright failure, this anger is harnessed and directed again at US, and lays the groundwork for the next big leftist push.
Through MESSAGE DISCIPLINE and HAVING A PLAN.
We've embraced this loser mentality. We like this fight. That's why the sidebar has an article about how losing to Trump has made Cruz a stronger right-wing politico.
I'm done with this shit. I will not try and convince myself to enjoy the taste of it anymore.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 10:06 AM (xuouz)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 10:06 AM (mEZce)
382
377
Said it before. Will say it again.
Stay the hell out of the military for the forseeable future.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 10:05 AM (8v0G6)
This. Son has until October before he's totally out. Inactive reservist for now. He was considering going back as a reservist, but the Marines only want infantry, and I told the boy I'd kill him myself before I'd let him go back into combat, under this CiC.
Said it before. Will say it again.
Stay the hell out of the military for the forseeable future.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 10:05 AM (8v0G6)
This. Son has until October before he's totally out. Inactive reservist for now. He was considering going back as a reservist, but the Marines only want infantry, and I told the boy I'd kill him myself before I'd let him go back into combat, under this CiC.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 10:07 AM (FsuaD)
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Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 09:51 AM (10hEu)
Look I understand the politics of trying to fool the LIV's into voting for you.
But I don't actually know if this is some attempt to fool the LIV's, or if he *actually is* open to raising the minimum wage. He changes his positions daily, sometimes hourly. I don't know WHAT he actually believes on the minimum wage. Do you?
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 09:51 AM (10hEu)
Look I understand the politics of trying to fool the LIV's into voting for you.
But I don't actually know if this is some attempt to fool the LIV's, or if he *actually is* open to raising the minimum wage. He changes his positions daily, sometimes hourly. I don't know WHAT he actually believes on the minimum wage. Do you?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 10:08 AM (uAvJJ)
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at May 05, 2016 10:08 AM (Eyx+b)
385
Contrary to popular belief, I will not be playing Mike Huckabee in his upcoming biopic.
I'm just too damn old to bulk up like that.
I'm just too damn old to bulk up like that.
Posted by: Brian Dennehy at May 05, 2016 10:08 AM (8v0G6)
386
***"Bollocks. Simple bollocks. Guarantee if it went back to a GOPe candidate the usual suspects would be right back in 2012 mode. The only thing that changed is it ain't their man this time."***
And you'd be wrong. As Chique already pointed out upthread, there were more candidates than Trump than people weren't going to vote for. That ass clown isn't special. I guess you missed the part, on this very blog, where people said they were done voting for the team just 'coz.
Maybe you think they were lying, but I don't.
And you'd be wrong. As Chique already pointed out upthread, there were more candidates than Trump than people weren't going to vote for. That ass clown isn't special. I guess you missed the part, on this very blog, where people said they were done voting for the team just 'coz.
Maybe you think they were lying, but I don't.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 10:08 AM (Wckf4)
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I agree that the party apparatchiks and such are obligated to support him, but not little old me.
That I can respect--it's largely where I am. But the voices I hear loudest are the apparatchiks and wannabes, and they can go take a flying leap, because I can see where they're at.
In politics, never ascribe to principle what expediency and self-interest can explain.
That I can respect--it's largely where I am. But the voices I hear loudest are the apparatchiks and wannabes, and they can go take a flying leap, because I can see where they're at.
In politics, never ascribe to principle what expediency and self-interest can explain.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 10:08 AM (9krrF)
388
One trick pony...and a repetitive one at that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 10:09 AM (V/InG)
389
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What...? Still snowy...? Are you shitting me?
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What...? Still snowy...? Are you shitting me?
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 10:09 AM (4ng05)
Posted by: DaveA at May 05, 2016 10:09 AM (DL2i+)
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373 Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 10:04 AM (FTIES)
My personal "fuck you GOP list" was:
1) Chrispy Chreme b/c if we are going to nominate someone who wanted Ogabe as a boyfriend longing for walks on a beach Davey Brooks is available
2) Mark the Rube-b/c he literally ran as one thing then became Chuck Schumer's Fluffer...ie we already ran Juan McCain
3) Yeb Bush b/c if I need to be called a heartless bigoted asshole I have Barack Obama.
The main difference between those three and Trump is these assholes are "professional" politicians...
I was told repeatedly after 2008 and 2012 that the GOP needed to nominate a non-evangelical, pro-choice, moderate, preferably from New England to put those states into play.
Here he is.....those people who wantedhim are not happy.
My personal "fuck you GOP list" was:
1) Chrispy Chreme b/c if we are going to nominate someone who wanted Ogabe as a boyfriend longing for walks on a beach Davey Brooks is available
2) Mark the Rube-b/c he literally ran as one thing then became Chuck Schumer's Fluffer...ie we already ran Juan McCain
3) Yeb Bush b/c if I need to be called a heartless bigoted asshole I have Barack Obama.
The main difference between those three and Trump is these assholes are "professional" politicians...
I was told repeatedly after 2008 and 2012 that the GOP needed to nominate a non-evangelical, pro-choice, moderate, preferably from New England to put those states into play.
Here he is.....those people who wantedhim are not happy.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 10:10 AM (g8Hfr)
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***" He changes his positions daily, sometimes hourly. I don't know WHAT he actually believes on the minimum wage. Do you?"***
You've got to vote for it to find out what's in it.
That strategy has worked out so magnificently!
You've got to vote for it to find out what's in it.
That strategy has worked out so magnificently!
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 10:10 AM (Wckf4)
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>>>380 On the minimum wage Trump is playing chess and you are all playing tic tac toe. The objective is not to check issue boxes. The objective is to reject the confines of political ideology and put concrete, measurable goals on the line on each issue. He's already done this on:
A wall
Trade deficits (measured in big round dollar values)
Jobs numbers
Increasing the size of the military
This is exactly how the GOP should have been playing every pissant, chippy little social advocacy issue for the last 20 years: "Yeah I'm open to [$15 minimum wage]. Let's talk about it." And make them run the numbers.
When you instead make it a theoretical economic question, a question of political theory and whether it's morally justifiable to have a minimum wage the issue is no longer, the issue cannot be, about the numbers. It has become another proxy for the "my faith vs your faith" fight that the left took over academia and the media and entertainment in order to win, and we're back on the hamster wheel of trying to fight the progressive hydra. The GOP bravely loses - whether by failure or by design, it's always a loss - and all the little LIV lemmings going "We did it! We have effected historic change!"
And when this program proves to be a middling mediocrity or an outright failure, this anger is harnessed and directed again at US, and lays the groundwork for the next big leftist push.
Through MESSAGE DISCIPLINE and HAVING A PLAN.
We've embraced this loser mentality. We like this fight. That's why the sidebar has an article about how losing to Trump has made Cruz a stronger right-wing politico.
I'm done with this shit. I will not try and convince myself to enjoy the taste of it anymore.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 10:06 AM (xuouz)
___________
THANK YOU
I'm glad someone else gets what Trump is doing. This is politics and Trump is playing it - and damn well too.
A wall
Trade deficits (measured in big round dollar values)
Jobs numbers
Increasing the size of the military
This is exactly how the GOP should have been playing every pissant, chippy little social advocacy issue for the last 20 years: "Yeah I'm open to [$15 minimum wage]. Let's talk about it." And make them run the numbers.
When you instead make it a theoretical economic question, a question of political theory and whether it's morally justifiable to have a minimum wage the issue is no longer, the issue cannot be, about the numbers. It has become another proxy for the "my faith vs your faith" fight that the left took over academia and the media and entertainment in order to win, and we're back on the hamster wheel of trying to fight the progressive hydra. The GOP bravely loses - whether by failure or by design, it's always a loss - and all the little LIV lemmings going "We did it! We have effected historic change!"
And when this program proves to be a middling mediocrity or an outright failure, this anger is harnessed and directed again at US, and lays the groundwork for the next big leftist push.
Through MESSAGE DISCIPLINE and HAVING A PLAN.
We've embraced this loser mentality. We like this fight. That's why the sidebar has an article about how losing to Trump has made Cruz a stronger right-wing politico.
I'm done with this shit. I will not try and convince myself to enjoy the taste of it anymore.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 10:06 AM (xuouz)
___________
THANK YOU
I'm glad someone else gets what Trump is doing. This is politics and Trump is playing it - and damn well too.
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 10:10 AM (10hEu)
394
I guess Mooch and Barry will be celebrating Quatro de Mayo today.
She'll unhinge her jaw and swallow a few dozen burritos, before lecturing the rest of us to go easy on the guac and tacos.
She'll unhinge her jaw and swallow a few dozen burritos, before lecturing the rest of us to go easy on the guac and tacos.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 10:10 AM (FsuaD)
395
Kari, what is Trump's sincere view on the minimum wage? Do you even know? Do you care?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 10:11 AM (uAvJJ)
396
Maybe you think they were lying, but I don't.
As said before, I believe it. Hell, I'm one of them. I just find it interesting where the lines get drawn...and I'll truly believe it's principle the next time an establishment stinker gets the nod and those same people say, "nah bro".
As said before, I believe it. Hell, I'm one of them. I just find it interesting where the lines get drawn...and I'll truly believe it's principle the next time an establishment stinker gets the nod and those same people say, "nah bro".
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 10:11 AM (9krrF)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 05, 2016 10:12 AM (zOTsN)
398
***" On the minimum wage Trump is playing chess and you are all playing tic tac toe."***
Yeah, the guy who talks about Rafael Cruz's involvement in the JFK assassination or Ted Cruz's wife is playing chess.
Whatever you have to keep telling yourself.
Yeah, the guy who talks about Rafael Cruz's involvement in the JFK assassination or Ted Cruz's wife is playing chess.
Whatever you have to keep telling yourself.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 10:12 AM (Wckf4)
399
People forget that before he dropped out, Rubio received by far the most abuse of any candidate on this blog and comments sections. Ace went on long anti-Rubio Twitter rampages. And he wasn't saying crazy or offensive things everyday.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 10:12 AM (FTIES)
400
396 Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 10:11 AM (9krrF)
Trump has not betrayed my political beliefs for 28 years.
In the unlikely event Trump wins and is re-elected he has eight years to fuck me.
Last time I checked 8 is less than 28.
Trump has not betrayed my political beliefs for 28 years.
In the unlikely event Trump wins and is re-elected he has eight years to fuck me.
Last time I checked 8 is less than 28.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 10:14 AM (g8Hfr)
401
Rubio stabbed the nation in the back on Amnesty and the border. Thats why he was savaged. A calm well spoke guy who knifes me in the back has still knifed me in the back
Rubio stabbed the nation in the back on Amnesty and the border. Thats why he was savaged. A calm well spoke guy who knifes me in the back has still knifed me in the back
Posted by: ThunderB at May 05, 2016 10:14 AM (zOTsN)
402
The one positive I keep reminding myself about a Trump presidency, is we won't have a FLOTUS who the media will beat us over the head every.fucking.day to convince us she's the Most Glamorous, Beautiful FLOTUS ever.
Can't wait to never have to see Mooch's resting bitch face again.
Can't wait to never have to see Mooch's resting bitch face again.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 10:14 AM (FsuaD)
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People forget that before he dropped out, Rubio received by far the most abuse of any candidate on this blog and comments sections. Ace went on long anti-Rubio Twitter rampages. And he wasn't saying crazy or offensive things everyday.
And I guarantee that if he'd gotten the nod, I'd be getting told to get over myself and go to the mat for him.
Just like the Bushes.
Just like McCain.
Just like Romney.
...why yes, I have trust issues, why do you ask...
And I guarantee that if he'd gotten the nod, I'd be getting told to get over myself and go to the mat for him.
Just like the Bushes.
Just like McCain.
Just like Romney.
...why yes, I have trust issues, why do you ask...
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 10:14 AM (9krrF)
404
Well we know what the lying bitch's stance in minimum wage is, but I guess one trick ponies don't?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2016 10:15 AM (V/InG)
405
The one positive I keep reminding myself about a Trump presidency, is we won't have a FLOTUS who the media will beat us over the head every.fucking.day to convince us she's the Most Glamorous, Beautiful FLOTUS ever.
Can't wait to never have to see Mooch's resting bitch face again.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 10:14 AM (FsuaD)
did you hear Chris Mathews drooling over her on a hot mike, live on the air
what a putz
Can't wait to never have to see Mooch's resting bitch face again.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 10:14 AM (FsuaD)
did you hear Chris Mathews drooling over her on a hot mike, live on the air
what a putz
Posted by: ThunderB at May 05, 2016 10:15 AM (zOTsN)
406
the way things are going on the other side, perhaps it is more expedient to start polling Trump v. Bernie ?
They have. Trump loses to Bernie by 13.
Posted by: Dave in Fla
Then it doesn't matter who we run. The 52% FSA has spoken.
When it only takes 50.1 to win, the 52% wins.
They have. Trump loses to Bernie by 13.
Posted by: Dave in Fla
Then it doesn't matter who we run. The 52% FSA has spoken.
When it only takes 50.1 to win, the 52% wins.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2016 10:15 AM (6hZFv)
407
Baltimore police warn motorists of armed carjackings after deliberate fender benders
Charm City baby!
Charm City baby!
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2016 10:15 AM (mEZce)
408
I will vote for Trump because Scankles is worse.
I will take no pleasure in casting my ballot, but one thing that I will permit myself to enjoy, if it happens are the nationwide explosion of leftist heads after results are called.
Do you know what my dream is? It will never happen because the American electorate has proven itself to be stupid and selfish, but wouldn't it be great if Trump won and the exit polling on election day would name 1. the media and 2. political correctness as the public's greatest concerns, followed by the economy.
That would be a clearcut f you and the John Kerry you rode in on to the media and the SJWs and would be a sign that the American people are sick of their shit.
An 'ette can dream, can't she?
I will take no pleasure in casting my ballot, but one thing that I will permit myself to enjoy, if it happens are the nationwide explosion of leftist heads after results are called.
Do you know what my dream is? It will never happen because the American electorate has proven itself to be stupid and selfish, but wouldn't it be great if Trump won and the exit polling on election day would name 1. the media and 2. political correctness as the public's greatest concerns, followed by the economy.
That would be a clearcut f you and the John Kerry you rode in on to the media and the SJWs and would be a sign that the American people are sick of their shit.
An 'ette can dream, can't she?
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 10:15 AM (u0lmX)
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Mark the Rube has never apologized for getting rolled by Schumer...
period.
He was egotistical enough to think the base would forget his direct less than a year in to Federal elected office betrayal.
period.
He was egotistical enough to think the base would forget his direct less than a year in to Federal elected office betrayal.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 10:15 AM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 10:16 AM (8v0G6)
411
Trump will have Benghazi Moms ask Hillary some interesting questions.
Trump will demandHillary open the books on the Clinton Foundation.
Trump will attack, attack, attack.
Trump will demandHillary open the books on the Clinton Foundation.
Trump will attack, attack, attack.
Posted by: eman at May 05, 2016 10:16 AM (MQEz6)
412
did you hear Chris Mathews drooling over her on a hot mike, live on the air
what a putz
Posted by: ThunderB at May 05, 2016 10:15 AM (zOTsN)
Thankfully, I missed that.
did you hear Chris Mathews drooling over her on a hot mike, live on the air
what a putz
Posted by: ThunderB at May 05, 2016 10:15 AM (zOTsN)
Thankfully, I missed that.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 10:16 AM (FsuaD)
413
***"And I guarantee that if he'd gotten the nod, I'd be getting told to get over myself and go to the mat for him."***
I don't think so. Sure, there might be some parroting that tired old line, but I think 2012 was it for many. At least here.
I don't think so. Sure, there might be some parroting that tired old line, but I think 2012 was it for many. At least here.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 10:16 AM (Wckf4)
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Regardless of who wins the Presidency, it will be a relief to get Obama out of there. Tired of The Boy King.
I'm just done.
I'm just done.
Posted by: Max Power at May 05, 2016 10:17 AM (QCc6B)
415
"Look at that walk, that runway walk. I could look at that walk all day"
Mathews on Melania
you can practically feel the spittle
Mathews on Melania
you can practically feel the spittle
Posted by: ThunderB at May 05, 2016 10:17 AM (zOTsN)
416
Kind of interesting to see how just a couple of days can change the entire perspecitve on an election. For example: In less than a week, the biggest possible disaster for this country from the perspective of all right leaning political participants was a Hillary Clinton presidency. Today, it's a Donald Trump presidency.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 10:17 AM (4ng05)
417
410
What in the hell did you have for breakfast Jane ?
You're on fire today.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 10:16 AM (8v0G6)
Well, right now I'm on my second cup of coffee, and had a slice of my cream cheese pound cake for "breakfast."
Heh.
What in the hell did you have for breakfast Jane ?
You're on fire today.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 10:16 AM (8v0G6)
Well, right now I'm on my second cup of coffee, and had a slice of my cream cheese pound cake for "breakfast."
Heh.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 10:17 AM (FsuaD)
418
Nood thread but for some reason it's posting below this one.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 05, 2016 10:18 AM (t5zYU)
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***"For example: In less than a week, the biggest possible disaster for this country from the perspective of all right leaning political participants was a Hillary Clinton presidency."***
What other arguments will you be making up entirely?
What other arguments will you be making up entirely?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 10:19 AM (Wckf4)
420
did you hear Chris Mathews drooling over her on a hot mike, live on the air
what a putz
Posted by: ThunderB at May 05, 2016 10:15 AM (zOTsN)
Mathews didn't have to pretend she's hot. She is. I'm sure he never did that to Mooch.
He's an obnoxious lib, but he's not blind.
did you hear Chris Mathews drooling over her on a hot mike, live on the air
what a putz
Posted by: ThunderB at May 05, 2016 10:15 AM (zOTsN)
Mathews didn't have to pretend she's hot. She is. I'm sure he never did that to Mooch.
He's an obnoxious lib, but he's not blind.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 05, 2016 10:19 AM (u0lmX)
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416 Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 10:17 AM (4ng05)
They don't understand that we probably NEED Trump and need to pray Trump does well so we can long march the institutions from OUR end.
We lost the ideological wars when we let Bill Ayers and Barney the Dinosaur raise our kids.
They don't understand that we probably NEED Trump and need to pray Trump does well so we can long march the institutions from OUR end.
We lost the ideological wars when we let Bill Ayers and Barney the Dinosaur raise our kids.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 10:19 AM (g8Hfr)
422
***"And I guarantee that if he'd gotten the nod, I'd be getting told to get over myself and go to the mat for him."***
I don't think so. Sure, there might be some parroting that tired old line, but I think 2012 was it for many. At least here.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 10:16 AM (Wckf4)
Rubios operatives in this primary were pretty ruthless
Rubio shopped the story about Cruz having affairs with 5 women
Rubio did that
and yes we had people SCREAMING that we had to support Rubio
I don't think so. Sure, there might be some parroting that tired old line, but I think 2012 was it for many. At least here.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 10:16 AM (Wckf4)
Rubios operatives in this primary were pretty ruthless
Rubio shopped the story about Cruz having affairs with 5 women
Rubio did that
and yes we had people SCREAMING that we had to support Rubio
Posted by: ThunderB at May 05, 2016 10:19 AM (zOTsN)
423
>>>383
Look I understand the politics of trying to fool the LIV's into voting for you.
But I don't actually know if this is some attempt to fool the LIV's, or if he *actually is* open to raising the minimum wage. He changes his positions daily, sometimes hourly. I don't know WHAT he actually believes on the minimum wage. Do you?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 10:08 AM (uAvJJ)
__________
Exactly, that is the point. He has to be believable either way, raise it -or- lower it. If he isn't believable, people won't vote for him. He isn't trying to fool anyone about the wage, he is trying to convince everyone that "Trump cares about people like me" regardless of what he believes about the wage.
The fact that you don't know and can't tell which position he actually supports shows that it is working b/c he now plausibly believes both in your head. Crazy right?
That is the whole Scott Adams Master Persuader thing in a nutshell.
Look I understand the politics of trying to fool the LIV's into voting for you.
But I don't actually know if this is some attempt to fool the LIV's, or if he *actually is* open to raising the minimum wage. He changes his positions daily, sometimes hourly. I don't know WHAT he actually believes on the minimum wage. Do you?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 10:08 AM (uAvJJ)
__________
Exactly, that is the point. He has to be believable either way, raise it -or- lower it. If he isn't believable, people won't vote for him. He isn't trying to fool anyone about the wage, he is trying to convince everyone that "Trump cares about people like me" regardless of what he believes about the wage.
The fact that you don't know and can't tell which position he actually supports shows that it is working b/c he now plausibly believes both in your head. Crazy right?
That is the whole Scott Adams Master Persuader thing in a nutshell.
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 10:19 AM (10hEu)
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 10:20 AM (8v0G6)
Posted by: JEM at May 05, 2016 10:20 AM (o+SC1)
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Can't wait to never have to see Mooch's resting bitch face again.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 10:14 AM (FsuaD)
Sentiment echoed by millions of school aged kids who are right now looking at their lunch wondering whether they should just pitch it and go hungry as they've done every other day of this school year.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2016 10:14 AM (FsuaD)
Sentiment echoed by millions of school aged kids who are right now looking at their lunch wondering whether they should just pitch it and go hungry as they've done every other day of this school year.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 10:20 AM (4ng05)
427
Trump will demandHillary open the books on the Clinton Foundation.
=====
No. Mutually assured destruction. DT's books are no cleaner. He'll go after Bengazi and e-mail, sure, but financial irregularities will be off-limits because the little we know about both of them is so nasty financially.
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No. Mutually assured destruction. DT's books are no cleaner. He'll go after Bengazi and e-mail, sure, but financial irregularities will be off-limits because the little we know about both of them is so nasty financially.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 05, 2016 10:20 AM (MIKMs)
428
OK, date stamp on this thread fixed. Nood thread is mood.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at May 05, 2016 10:20 AM (t5zYU)
429
Snood
Posted by: Grump928(c) wonders why you didn't come to him like a fucking man at May 05, 2016 10:20 AM (evdj2)
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Kari, what is Trump's sincere view on the minimum wage? Do you even know? Do you care?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 10:11 AM (uAvJJ)
A $15 minimum wage is a joke that shouldn't be seriously discussed by anyone. He is a business owner. To assume as you do that he simply hasn't formulated a position on the subject is hilarious, asinine, childish magical thinking.
One of his core messages is jobs. Do you think he'd like to point to his job numbers in an economy with a $15 minimum wage?
He's dismissing the issue entirely. "Yeah I'll consider it. Next." It's a high-ground PR move. It starves the left of oxygen on the issue. And it's NOT an endorsement.
He's fun to watch. He's on our side. Try not to lose your head.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 10:11 AM (uAvJJ)
A $15 minimum wage is a joke that shouldn't be seriously discussed by anyone. He is a business owner. To assume as you do that he simply hasn't formulated a position on the subject is hilarious, asinine, childish magical thinking.
One of his core messages is jobs. Do you think he'd like to point to his job numbers in an economy with a $15 minimum wage?
He's dismissing the issue entirely. "Yeah I'll consider it. Next." It's a high-ground PR move. It starves the left of oxygen on the issue. And it's NOT an endorsement.
He's fun to watch. He's on our side. Try not to lose your head.
Posted by: Phone of kari at May 05, 2016 10:20 AM (DZ2rQ)
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***"and yes we had people SCREAMING that we had to support Rubio"***
I didn't say that people wouldn't still be parroting that crap. I quite clearly said they would. I just said that a lot of people were over that.
They were, and are.
I didn't say that people wouldn't still be parroting that crap. I quite clearly said they would. I just said that a lot of people were over that.
They were, and are.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 10:22 AM (Wckf4)
Posted by: Grump928(c) wonders why you didn't come to him like a fucking man at May 05, 2016 10:22 AM (evdj2)
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We lost the ideological wars when we let Bill Ayers and Barney the Dinosaur raise our kids.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 10:19 AM (g8Hfr)
But... but... he might be *gasp* evil! Or have neferious designs to destroy the country!
He might push 'the button'!
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 10:19 AM (g8Hfr)
But... but... he might be *gasp* evil! Or have neferious designs to destroy the country!
He might push 'the button'!
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 10:22 AM (4ng05)
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Pfeh. Sad thing is all joking aside I can't even drown my sorrows in booze, need to be clear when Dad Crisis 72,986 hits, whatever and whenever that is.
Plus I need to do some research into state elder laws, in the event dad ever goes long term into a nursing home, because what I'm hearing is not making me happy. And I'll be the one (other than dad) getting screwed hardest as it stands.
Trust issues, no wonder I effing have 'em.
Plus I need to do some research into state elder laws, in the event dad ever goes long term into a nursing home, because what I'm hearing is not making me happy. And I'll be the one (other than dad) getting screwed hardest as it stands.
Trust issues, no wonder I effing have 'em.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 10:23 AM (9krrF)
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Yeah, the guy who talks about Rafael Cruz's involvement in the JFK assassination or Ted Cruz's wife is playing chess.
Whatever you have to keep telling yourself.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 10:12 AM (Wckf4)
LOL
Whatever you have to keep telling yourself.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 10:12 AM (Wckf4)
LOL
Posted by: Phone of kari at May 05, 2016 10:23 AM (DZ2rQ)
436
433 Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at May 05, 2016 10:22 AM (4ng05)
so he's a politician....
Hell a SMART GOP would let Trump run on nuclear disarmament....
so he's a politician....
Hell a SMART GOP would let Trump run on nuclear disarmament....
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 10:23 AM (g8Hfr)
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"...same methodology ?.
Posted by: runner at May 05, 2016 10:03 AM (c6/9Q)
Get this...
That same Monmouth poll (since they are the only ones revealing their methodology) does this:
It's an automated poll so the questions are asked and the person presses a number on their phone to respond. They took one standard deviation (about one sixth) of the respondents and tossed their results out for finishing the poll too fast.
So, if you had your mind made up and knew exactly who you were voting for, it was likely your response was tossed out.
For some reason.
Posted by: runner at May 05, 2016 10:03 AM (c6/9Q)
Get this...
That same Monmouth poll (since they are the only ones revealing their methodology) does this:
It's an automated poll so the questions are asked and the person presses a number on their phone to respond. They took one standard deviation (about one sixth) of the respondents and tossed their results out for finishing the poll too fast.
So, if you had your mind made up and knew exactly who you were voting for, it was likely your response was tossed out.
For some reason.
Posted by: jwest at May 05, 2016 10:25 AM (Zs4uk)
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And I guarantee that if he'd gotten the nod, I'd be getting told to get over myself and go to the mat for him.
Just like the Bushes.
Just like McCain.
Just like Romney.
...why yes, I have trust issues, why do you ask...
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 10:14 AM (9krrF)
Yep, just like people are telling you to vote for Trump now. Nothing has changed.
I have decided I will make my decision about voting myself, succumbing to no pressure and not considering who is winning in the general. I refuse to have my only voting criteria as WINNING! I'm not a power hungry leftist.
We still have several months left before Nov, so it's possible I may eventually decide to vote for Trump, but that decision will be made based on substantive considerations, not just because R!
Anyway, I'm not a Republican for much longer. I have to figure out how to change my party registration and do it.
Just like the Bushes.
Just like McCain.
Just like Romney.
...why yes, I have trust issues, why do you ask...
Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 05, 2016 10:14 AM (9krrF)
Yep, just like people are telling you to vote for Trump now. Nothing has changed.
I have decided I will make my decision about voting myself, succumbing to no pressure and not considering who is winning in the general. I refuse to have my only voting criteria as WINNING! I'm not a power hungry leftist.
We still have several months left before Nov, so it's possible I may eventually decide to vote for Trump, but that decision will be made based on substantive considerations, not just because R!
Anyway, I'm not a Republican for much longer. I have to figure out how to change my party registration and do it.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 10:26 AM (FTIES)
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438 Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 10:26 AM (FTIES)
You go to the Board of Elections and say "I am not a Republican anymore."
You know of course the Barneybots will vote lockstep for Grammy H...
Just like Grammy H's voters voted for Barry.
You go to the Board of Elections and say "I am not a Republican anymore."
You know of course the Barneybots will vote lockstep for Grammy H...
Just like Grammy H's voters voted for Barry.
Posted by: sven10077 at May 05, 2016 10:28 AM (g8Hfr)
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***"Pfeh. Sad thing is all joking aside I can't even drown my sorrows in booze, need to be clear when Dad Crisis 72,986 hits, whatever and whenever that is. "***
Sorry to hear it BC. I'm also helping to care for my FiL who's been suffering from early onset dementia for years. He's fairly advanced and only 66. It's a daily struggle to even try and figure out what minor thing is causing his world to crumble.
I'm also looking into nursing home options, because he's almost to that point. Not sure what your dad's going through, but I know what you are.
More power to you.
Sorry to hear it BC. I'm also helping to care for my FiL who's been suffering from early onset dementia for years. He's fairly advanced and only 66. It's a daily struggle to even try and figure out what minor thing is causing his world to crumble.
I'm also looking into nursing home options, because he's almost to that point. Not sure what your dad's going through, but I know what you are.
More power to you.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 05, 2016 10:28 AM (Wckf4)
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This is an election, not a theoretical economics class completely independent of actual voters.
What should Trump ultimately do? We agree - he should not raise the wage. What should Trump instead say? Exactly what he did say b/c it leaves him open to "do what is best for the workers" and he can declare after the election whatever he ends up doing IS "what is best for the workers"
Is that underhanded and dishonest? Yes, its politics.
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 09:51 AM (10hEu)
Well, this is the thing.
Even Ace wrote a blog post around this very thing, I think about this time last year-(if I'm remembering correctly)-
in that post he wanted a guy as the Republican nom who could, soft soap his positions to appeal to moderates and possibly Democrats while doing as he wished once in office.
ie. like Obama and every other Dim who runs for office, except the reverse. Obama ran to the right of McCain on some issues, for chissakes.
For better or worse, we got that guy...Trump.
Now, here is the point where the #nevertrumps jump in and start preening their feathers,
saying we're the chumps. Eh, maybe they're right.
But, the morons who think a candidate standing and spouting hardcore conservative slogans and positions are going to win this cycle or are proof, despite all previous experience, of conservative action once in office aren't paying attention.
Even Reagan didn't do that.
If that's all it took, Cruz would've won the nom straight up.
That's not where we're at now.
after 8 years of Obama, we're in a smeary, chaotic landscape- you have to be able to surf the chaos.
Trump appears to be able to do that.
We'll see.
As always, YMMV.
What should Trump ultimately do? We agree - he should not raise the wage. What should Trump instead say? Exactly what he did say b/c it leaves him open to "do what is best for the workers" and he can declare after the election whatever he ends up doing IS "what is best for the workers"
Is that underhanded and dishonest? Yes, its politics.
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 09:51 AM (10hEu)
Well, this is the thing.
Even Ace wrote a blog post around this very thing, I think about this time last year-(if I'm remembering correctly)-
in that post he wanted a guy as the Republican nom who could, soft soap his positions to appeal to moderates and possibly Democrats while doing as he wished once in office.
ie. like Obama and every other Dim who runs for office, except the reverse. Obama ran to the right of McCain on some issues, for chissakes.
For better or worse, we got that guy...Trump.
Now, here is the point where the #nevertrumps jump in and start preening their feathers,
saying we're the chumps. Eh, maybe they're right.
But, the morons who think a candidate standing and spouting hardcore conservative slogans and positions are going to win this cycle or are proof, despite all previous experience, of conservative action once in office aren't paying attention.
Even Reagan didn't do that.
If that's all it took, Cruz would've won the nom straight up.
That's not where we're at now.
after 8 years of Obama, we're in a smeary, chaotic landscape- you have to be able to surf the chaos.
Trump appears to be able to do that.
We'll see.
As always, YMMV.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 05, 2016 10:29 AM (oU3Bb)
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That is the whole Scott Adams Master Persuader thing in a nutshell.
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 10:19 AM (10hEu)
He has persuaded me thus far that he is unprincipled and will say anything at all if it thinks it will help him.
How is that a positive?
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 10:19 AM (10hEu)
He has persuaded me thus far that he is unprincipled and will say anything at all if it thinks it will help him.
How is that a positive?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 10:32 AM (dpnZC)
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Ghost of Kari, from your posts, I've come to the conclusion that Trump is your Obama, the blank slate on which you project your hopes.
You should read the NY Post endorsement of Trump. I thought of you when I heard it.
Anyway, enjoy your victory. You've generally been pleasant even though I almost always disagree with you.
You should read the NY Post endorsement of Trump. I thought of you when I heard it.
Anyway, enjoy your victory. You've generally been pleasant even though I almost always disagree with you.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 10:32 AM (FTIES)
Posted by: runner at May 05, 2016 10:33 AM (c6/9Q)
445
Brother Cavil, sorry to hear about the problems with your dad. Hang in there.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at May 05, 2016 10:33 AM (FTIES)
446
Man'o'man, I'm still back in the early #200s comments. Got the Vic News, checked out the Misanthropic Mystery Headlines, guzzled coffee, fed the pets, and plowed through the commentary, but still so far behind. There'll be an Art Thread by the time I get caught up to this comment!
And I'm employing the Quick Read method for comments: Read only the Wisest and Wittiest Commenters and skip past the rest. You know who.
Would be easier if the "posted by" were atop the comment.
Just kidding - obsessively, compulsively reading every syllable any Moron posts. Yes, my life is that dull.
And I'm employing the Quick Read method for comments: Read only the Wisest and Wittiest Commenters and skip past the rest. You know who.
Would be easier if the "posted by" were atop the comment.
Just kidding - obsessively, compulsively reading every syllable any Moron posts. Yes, my life is that dull.
Posted by: mindful webworker is sick o' the mayo at May 05, 2016 10:34 AM (E9ede)
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I don't trust any of them.
But I sure as heck do not support
Building a North American Community.
But I sure as heck do not support
Building a North American Community.
Posted by: MarkC at May 05, 2016 10:34 AM (iWFQR)
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Burn the Witch and Brother Cavil,
I am so sorry for what you two are going through. Prayers for you both, and your family.
I can't begin to imagine caring for a loved one with dementia-to have the person you love not know you must be heart-rending. Thank you for honoring your parent, and showing them love. I truly admire you guys.
I am so sorry for what you two are going through. Prayers for you both, and your family.
I can't begin to imagine caring for a loved one with dementia-to have the person you love not know you must be heart-rending. Thank you for honoring your parent, and showing them love. I truly admire you guys.
Posted by: Moki at May 05, 2016 10:35 AM (ezHMO)
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Chique I'm glad I'm not unpleasant. I feel very unpleasant most of the time I'm talking about politics.
The difference is that Trump is not an ideologue, is on neither the right nor the left. That much is self evident. What makes him look like Obama is that he's playing the PR game at a very high level.
Why? What could he want? Could it be what he says?
What would a person capable of wresting control of the cultural and political narrative from the current power structure look like? What would they have to do in order to accomplish that?
What would you be willing to sacrifice to make it happen? If the sacrifice is my conservative ideology, I consider myself blessed beyond anything I'd dared to hope for.
The difference is that Trump is not an ideologue, is on neither the right nor the left. That much is self evident. What makes him look like Obama is that he's playing the PR game at a very high level.
Why? What could he want? Could it be what he says?
What would a person capable of wresting control of the cultural and political narrative from the current power structure look like? What would they have to do in order to accomplish that?
What would you be willing to sacrifice to make it happen? If the sacrifice is my conservative ideology, I consider myself blessed beyond anything I'd dared to hope for.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 10:37 AM (xuouz)
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A $15 minimum wage is a joke that shouldn't be
seriously discussed by anyone. He is a business owner. To assume as you
do that he simply hasn't formulated a position on the subject is
hilarious, asinine, childish magical thinking.
Actually, it is consistent with his pattern of being a shallow thinker and an unprincipled man who will change his positions to suit the audience he's talking to at the moment. So yes I do believe he might actually raise the minimum wage to $15/hr if he thought he could get some mileage out of it.
One of his core messages is jobs. Do you think he'd like to point to his job numbers in an economy with a $15 minimum wage?
Well, you see the left has this economic theory called demand-side economics. That if you give more people money, that they will take that money and spend it all and grow the economy. Basically, Keynesian stimulus. Perhaps you've heard of it. Now go ask your LIV types if they think Obama's Keynesian stimulus created jobs and lifted the economy out of the recession. Chances are they will say yes because that is what they've been told by Obama and his minions and their lapdogs in the media. So I have no illusions that Trump could pull the same type of stunt with whatever he wants to do with the minimum wage. He can raise it and then say "hey look how great it made America, it put more money into people's pockets!!!"
He's dismissing the issue entirely. "Yeah I'll consider it. Next."
It's a high-ground PR move. It starves the left of oxygen on the issue.
And it's NOT an endorsement.
That is your spin, that is contrary to what he actually said however.
He's fun to watch. He's on our side. Try not to lose your head.
Posted by: Phone of kari at May 05, 2016 10:20 AM (DZ2rQ)
He is on Trump's side. He is not on my side, and he's not on your side either.
A $15 minimum wage is a joke that shouldn't be
seriously discussed by anyone. He is a business owner. To assume as you
do that he simply hasn't formulated a position on the subject is
hilarious, asinine, childish magical thinking.
Actually, it is consistent with his pattern of being a shallow thinker and an unprincipled man who will change his positions to suit the audience he's talking to at the moment. So yes I do believe he might actually raise the minimum wage to $15/hr if he thought he could get some mileage out of it.
One of his core messages is jobs. Do you think he'd like to point to his job numbers in an economy with a $15 minimum wage?
Well, you see the left has this economic theory called demand-side economics. That if you give more people money, that they will take that money and spend it all and grow the economy. Basically, Keynesian stimulus. Perhaps you've heard of it. Now go ask your LIV types if they think Obama's Keynesian stimulus created jobs and lifted the economy out of the recession. Chances are they will say yes because that is what they've been told by Obama and his minions and their lapdogs in the media. So I have no illusions that Trump could pull the same type of stunt with whatever he wants to do with the minimum wage. He can raise it and then say "hey look how great it made America, it put more money into people's pockets!!!"
He's dismissing the issue entirely. "Yeah I'll consider it. Next."
It's a high-ground PR move. It starves the left of oxygen on the issue.
And it's NOT an endorsement.
That is your spin, that is contrary to what he actually said however.
He's fun to watch. He's on our side. Try not to lose your head.
Posted by: Phone of kari at May 05, 2016 10:20 AM (DZ2rQ)
He is on Trump's side. He is not on my side, and he's not on your side either.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 10:37 AM (dpnZC)
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Because it's the trappings of the ideology that's going, the strictures and sacraments of our decadent political culture, not the principles that underlie them.
That's what I believe.
That's what I believe.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 10:38 AM (xuouz)
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lol cj then what was it that he said?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 10:38 AM (xuouz)
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I don't worry too much about dementia when I get older.
Mostly because I'm pretty demented already.
Mostly because I'm pretty demented already.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 10:40 AM (8v0G6)
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LOL! You're out of your element chemjeff:
"I'm looking at that, I'm very different from most Republicans," the presumptive GOP presidential nominee told CNN Wednesday about the prospect of increasing wages.
"You have to have something you can live on. But what I 'm really looking to do is get people great jobs so they make much more money than that, much more money than the $15."
"I'm looking at that, I'm very different from most Republicans," the presumptive GOP presidential nominee told CNN Wednesday about the prospect of increasing wages.
"You have to have something you can live on. But what I 'm really looking to do is get people great jobs so they make much more money than that, much more money than the $15."
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 10:40 AM (xuouz)
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 10:42 AM (10hEu)
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Mostly because I'm pretty demented already.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 10:40 AM (8v0G6)
I remember spending 20 minutes looking for something I had in my hand when I was playing with legos in elementary school.
It's not dementia, I was born this way.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 05, 2016 10:40 AM (8v0G6)
I remember spending 20 minutes looking for something I had in my hand when I was playing with legos in elementary school.
It's not dementia, I was born this way.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 10:45 AM (xuouz)
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Kari - It is absolutely amazing your amount of water-carrying for a guy who has gotten this far solely appealing to people who are desperate to hear their version of hope.
I'm a publicist. I get paid to sling shit at the media and get them to use my clients. Are you paid by the Trump campaign, Kari? If not, you're sounding borderline cult-like in your defense of a guy who often can't string a proper sentence together; a guy so overly sensitive and hot-headed that it is frightening to think the messes he would get us into, God forbid he's elected.
If spouting free publicity all day for a man who, I guarantee, has only his own best interests at heart - I can only say you are extremely naive.
I'm a publicist. I get paid to sling shit at the media and get them to use my clients. Are you paid by the Trump campaign, Kari? If not, you're sounding borderline cult-like in your defense of a guy who often can't string a proper sentence together; a guy so overly sensitive and hot-headed that it is frightening to think the messes he would get us into, God forbid he's elected.
If spouting free publicity all day for a man who, I guarantee, has only his own best interests at heart - I can only say you are extremely naive.
Posted by: Sassy at May 05, 2016 10:47 AM (v0ZxT)
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>>>442
He has persuaded me thus far that he is unprincipled and will say anything at all if it thinks it will help him.
How is that a positive?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 10:32 AM (dpnZC)
________
it is very positive -b/c you specifically know that Hillary is diametrically opposed to what you want. Trump on the other hand *may* be on your side - and on most things he is on your side if you can read b/t the lines like Kari can. For example he fixed his position when he upset his base on the aborion and the NC transgender issues. Trump IS on our side, but he plays the game too.
Also a theoretical person who likes the lefty stuff Hillary says can still support Trump b/c he has been playing the game and is believably on both sides at the same time.
He has persuaded me thus far that he is unprincipled and will say anything at all if it thinks it will help him.
How is that a positive?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 10:32 AM (dpnZC)
________
it is very positive -b/c you specifically know that Hillary is diametrically opposed to what you want. Trump on the other hand *may* be on your side - and on most things he is on your side if you can read b/t the lines like Kari can. For example he fixed his position when he upset his base on the aborion and the NC transgender issues. Trump IS on our side, but he plays the game too.
Also a theoretical person who likes the lefty stuff Hillary says can still support Trump b/c he has been playing the game and is believably on both sides at the same time.
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 10:49 AM (10hEu)
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Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 05, 2016 10:40 AM (xuouz)
Yes, he emphasized that he is a "different kind of Republican" and that he is open to raising the minimum wage. Implicitly, as opposed to all of those mean meanie Republicans in DC who have steadfastly opposed raising the minimum wage. He's not dismissing it out of hand. He is running to the left of Republicans in Congress, believe it or not.
Yes, he emphasized that he is a "different kind of Republican" and that he is open to raising the minimum wage. Implicitly, as opposed to all of those mean meanie Republicans in DC who have steadfastly opposed raising the minimum wage. He's not dismissing it out of hand. He is running to the left of Republicans in Congress, believe it or not.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 10:50 AM (dpnZC)
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The fact that you don't know and can't tell which position he actually supports shows that it is working b/c he now plausibly believes both in your head. Crazy right?
That is the whole Scott Adams Master Persuader thing in a nutshell.
So we have the Schrodinger's cat presidential nominee. Yay.
That is the whole Scott Adams Master Persuader thing in a nutshell.
So we have the Schrodinger's cat presidential nominee. Yay.
Posted by: gapoz at May 05, 2016 10:56 AM (thyJJ)
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For example he fixed his position when he upset his base on the aborion
and the NC transgender issues. Trump IS on our side, but he plays the
game too.
What this demonstrates to me is that he doesn't actually HAVE a real position, and that when pressed or put on the spot, he will default to the liberal position because that's just the easier and, frankly, more gutless response.
Why do you think this is a "game" and not who Trump really is? Do you really think that, e.g., deep down he really does oppose abortion but that he is playing some mind game to fool everyone into voting for him anyway? And if that is the case, can you provide some *evidence* that your hypothesis is correct, as opposed to my hypothesis, which is, Trump has no principled position on abortion one way or another and will say whatever floats through his mind at any moment in time to whatever audience he is speaking to in order to receive praise from the audience?
and the NC transgender issues. Trump IS on our side, but he plays the
game too.
What this demonstrates to me is that he doesn't actually HAVE a real position, and that when pressed or put on the spot, he will default to the liberal position because that's just the easier and, frankly, more gutless response.
Why do you think this is a "game" and not who Trump really is? Do you really think that, e.g., deep down he really does oppose abortion but that he is playing some mind game to fool everyone into voting for him anyway? And if that is the case, can you provide some *evidence* that your hypothesis is correct, as opposed to my hypothesis, which is, Trump has no principled position on abortion one way or another and will say whatever floats through his mind at any moment in time to whatever audience he is speaking to in order to receive praise from the audience?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 10:56 AM (dpnZC)
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Posted by: Jen the original at May 05, 2016 11:00 AM (Flv9t)
463
>>>459
Yes, he emphasized that he is a "different kind of Republican" and that he is open to raising the minimum wage. Implicitly, as opposed to all of those mean meanie Republicans in DC who have steadfastly opposed raising the minimum wage. He's not dismissing it out of hand. He is running to the left of Republicans in Congress, believe it or not.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 10:50 AM (dpnZC)
_________
Yes, while then saying "But what I 'm really looking to do is get people great jobs so they make much more money than that, much more money than the $15."
He is playing both sides.
I understand that you want him to pick the tribal Conservative (or libertarian) orthodoxy and declare his support from the rooftops, but Trump will not b/c there is no electoral advantage to tie himself down where the left can attack him.
Yes, he emphasized that he is a "different kind of Republican" and that he is open to raising the minimum wage. Implicitly, as opposed to all of those mean meanie Republicans in DC who have steadfastly opposed raising the minimum wage. He's not dismissing it out of hand. He is running to the left of Republicans in Congress, believe it or not.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 10:50 AM (dpnZC)
_________
Yes, while then saying "But what I 'm really looking to do is get people great jobs so they make much more money than that, much more money than the $15."
He is playing both sides.
I understand that you want him to pick the tribal Conservative (or libertarian) orthodoxy and declare his support from the rooftops, but Trump will not b/c there is no electoral advantage to tie himself down where the left can attack him.
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 11:01 AM (10hEu)
464
>>>461
What this demonstrates to me is that he doesn't actually HAVE a real position, and that when pressed or put on the spot, he will default to the liberal position because that's just the easier and, frankly, more gutless response.
Why do you think this is a "game" and not who Trump really is? Do you really think that, e.g., deep down he really does oppose abortion but that he is playing some mind game to fool everyone into voting for him anyway? And if that is the case, can you provide some *evidence* that your hypothesis is correct, as opposed to my hypothesis, which is, Trump has no principled position on abortion one way or another and will say whatever floats through his mind at any moment in time to whatever audience he is speaking to in order to receive praise from the audience?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 10:56 AM (dpnZC)
________
We are in agreement on this, very much so.
Trump has demonstrated through those two issue reversals that he will bend his positions to appease *us on the right* not the left. That is a *very very good thing*. The GOPe for example will not do that (example amnesty) and that is why we don't like them anymore.
What this demonstrates to me is that he doesn't actually HAVE a real position, and that when pressed or put on the spot, he will default to the liberal position because that's just the easier and, frankly, more gutless response.
Why do you think this is a "game" and not who Trump really is? Do you really think that, e.g., deep down he really does oppose abortion but that he is playing some mind game to fool everyone into voting for him anyway? And if that is the case, can you provide some *evidence* that your hypothesis is correct, as opposed to my hypothesis, which is, Trump has no principled position on abortion one way or another and will say whatever floats through his mind at any moment in time to whatever audience he is speaking to in order to receive praise from the audience?
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 10:56 AM (dpnZC)
________
We are in agreement on this, very much so.
Trump has demonstrated through those two issue reversals that he will bend his positions to appease *us on the right* not the left. That is a *very very good thing*. The GOPe for example will not do that (example amnesty) and that is why we don't like them anymore.
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 11:06 AM (10hEu)
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Yes, while then saying "But what I 'm really looking
to do is get people great jobs so they make much more money than that,
much more money than the $15."
He is playing both sides.
I understand that you want him to pick the tribal Conservative (or
libertarian) orthodoxy and declare his support from the rooftops, but
Trump will not b/c there is no electoral advantage to tie himself down
where the left can attack him.
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 11:01 AM (10hEu)
No, the left will attack him nonetheless, they will just find another avenue of attack.
If he was actually opposed to raising the minimum wage (which I doubt), and he clearly said so, the left would attack him for being a cruel heartless bastard, of course.
But now, since he is, according to you, "playing both sides", the left - and others too - will attack him for being an unprincipled slimy politician trying to have it both ways.
Of course the first attack is a false emotion-laden attack, but that is what they do. It is actually more cruel and more heartless to be depriving people of jobs by setting the minimum wage bar higher than the value of their labor.
The second attack, unfortunately for Trump, is actually truthful.
to do is get people great jobs so they make much more money than that,
much more money than the $15."
He is playing both sides.
I understand that you want him to pick the tribal Conservative (or
libertarian) orthodoxy and declare his support from the rooftops, but
Trump will not b/c there is no electoral advantage to tie himself down
where the left can attack him.
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 11:01 AM (10hEu)
No, the left will attack him nonetheless, they will just find another avenue of attack.
If he was actually opposed to raising the minimum wage (which I doubt), and he clearly said so, the left would attack him for being a cruel heartless bastard, of course.
But now, since he is, according to you, "playing both sides", the left - and others too - will attack him for being an unprincipled slimy politician trying to have it both ways.
Of course the first attack is a false emotion-laden attack, but that is what they do. It is actually more cruel and more heartless to be depriving people of jobs by setting the minimum wage bar higher than the value of their labor.
The second attack, unfortunately for Trump, is actually truthful.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 11:08 AM (dpnZC)
466
Trump has demonstrated through those two issue
reversals that he will bend his positions to appease *us on the right*
not the left. That is a *very very good thing*. The GOPe for example
will not do that (example amnesty) and that is why we don't like them
anymore.
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 11:06 AM (10hEu)
Actually, Trump has done with the NC bathroom/abortion positions, exactly what GOPe did when it came to amnesty: propose a liberal-friendly solution, and then when the outrage poured in from the conservative hinterlands, do an abrupt about-face and start pandering to the right. They changed only because they got backlash, not because it was what they sincerely wanted to do. It looks phony because it is. Same thing with Trump.
Trump has demonstrated through those two issue
reversals that he will bend his positions to appease *us on the right*
not the left. That is a *very very good thing*. The GOPe for example
will not do that (example amnesty) and that is why we don't like them
anymore.
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 11:06 AM (10hEu)
Actually, Trump has done with the NC bathroom/abortion positions, exactly what GOPe did when it came to amnesty: propose a liberal-friendly solution, and then when the outrage poured in from the conservative hinterlands, do an abrupt about-face and start pandering to the right. They changed only because they got backlash, not because it was what they sincerely wanted to do. It looks phony because it is. Same thing with Trump.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 11:11 AM (dpnZC)
467
>>>465
No, the left will attack him nonetheless, they will just find another avenue of attack.
If he was actually opposed to raising the minimum wage (which I doubt), and he clearly said so, the left would attack him for being a cruel heartless bastard, of course.
But now, since he is, according to you, "playing both sides", the left - and others too - will attack him for being an unprincipled slimy politician trying to have it both ways.
Of course the first attack is a false emotion-laden attack, but that is what they do. It is actually more cruel and more heartless to be depriving people of jobs by setting the minimum wage bar higher than the value of their labor.
The second attack, unfortunately for Trump, is actually truthful.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 11:08 AM (dpnZC)
________
No, calling Trump slimy and trying to have it both ways doesn't do anything b/c in this day and age we expect politicians to be slimy. Its sad, but we almost want them to be slimy and won't accept them when they seem to clean.
Think about it, it hurts a politician a when a they appear too honest b/c your mind goes crazy imagining what scandal it will be when the other shoe to drops.
Like say...when Herman Cain blew up. Or Sarah Palin's daughters. When they seem good you want to find the problem. Like when a character is introduced in a movie that seems too good - you know they are the bad guy and begin looking for reasons why.
Another great example: Obama - he is a slimy as they come and nothing sticks to him.
While Romney - a fairly honest guy was smeared as a evil business man with binders full of women & a cruelly having a dog on the roof
So to bring it back to the minimum wage - yes, Trump playing both sides of the minimum will work and has worked before.
No, the left will attack him nonetheless, they will just find another avenue of attack.
If he was actually opposed to raising the minimum wage (which I doubt), and he clearly said so, the left would attack him for being a cruel heartless bastard, of course.
But now, since he is, according to you, "playing both sides", the left - and others too - will attack him for being an unprincipled slimy politician trying to have it both ways.
Of course the first attack is a false emotion-laden attack, but that is what they do. It is actually more cruel and more heartless to be depriving people of jobs by setting the minimum wage bar higher than the value of their labor.
The second attack, unfortunately for Trump, is actually truthful.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 11:08 AM (dpnZC)
________
No, calling Trump slimy and trying to have it both ways doesn't do anything b/c in this day and age we expect politicians to be slimy. Its sad, but we almost want them to be slimy and won't accept them when they seem to clean.
Think about it, it hurts a politician a when a they appear too honest b/c your mind goes crazy imagining what scandal it will be when the other shoe to drops.
Like say...when Herman Cain blew up. Or Sarah Palin's daughters. When they seem good you want to find the problem. Like when a character is introduced in a movie that seems too good - you know they are the bad guy and begin looking for reasons why.
Another great example: Obama - he is a slimy as they come and nothing sticks to him.
While Romney - a fairly honest guy was smeared as a evil business man with binders full of women & a cruelly having a dog on the roof
So to bring it back to the minimum wage - yes, Trump playing both sides of the minimum will work and has worked before.
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 11:22 AM (10hEu)
468
>>>466
Actually, Trump has done with the NC bathroom/abortion positions, exactly what GOPe did when it came to amnesty: propose a liberal-friendly solution, and then when the outrage poured in from the conservative hinterlands, do an abrupt about-face and start pandering to the right. They changed only because they got backlash, not because it was what they sincerely wanted to do. It looks phony because it is. Same thing with Trump.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 11:11 AM (dpnZC)
Would you prefer the principled GOPe position of sticking to their guns and passing Bush's amnesty? Or Schumer & Rubio's? You would respect and prefer that authenticity, yes?
No, of course not. You & I want them to bend to our will. No Amnesty.
I'm very glad we agree on that.
Instead Trump brought out the Great Wall of Trump - and it stuck. Now the debate is only about how much wall and how to make Mexico pay for it.
Actually, Trump has done with the NC bathroom/abortion positions, exactly what GOPe did when it came to amnesty: propose a liberal-friendly solution, and then when the outrage poured in from the conservative hinterlands, do an abrupt about-face and start pandering to the right. They changed only because they got backlash, not because it was what they sincerely wanted to do. It looks phony because it is. Same thing with Trump.
Posted by: chemjeff - Libertarian at May 05, 2016 11:11 AM (dpnZC)
Would you prefer the principled GOPe position of sticking to their guns and passing Bush's amnesty? Or Schumer & Rubio's? You would respect and prefer that authenticity, yes?
No, of course not. You & I want them to bend to our will. No Amnesty.
I'm very glad we agree on that.
Instead Trump brought out the Great Wall of Trump - and it stuck. Now the debate is only about how much wall and how to make Mexico pay for it.
Posted by: TeamRawDog at May 05, 2016 11:28 AM (10hEu)
469
Re: The sidebar...
FYI: Charlie Cook was another "expert" who "expertly" predicted Trump would never be the nominee. His Cook Report calculations are about as accurate as his predictions.
Perhaps its time for Charlie to lossen his toupee a little....
FYI: Charlie Cook was another "expert" who "expertly" predicted Trump would never be the nominee. His Cook Report calculations are about as accurate as his predictions.
Perhaps its time for Charlie to lossen his toupee a little....
Posted by: Hector at May 05, 2016 11:31 AM (pY6mC)
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TeamRawDog: "I understand that you want him to pick the tribal Conservative (or libertarian) orthodoxy..."
Tribal?
Are principles a primitive impulse, a result of our baser instincts toward a prejudice in favor of members of our tribe?
I'd like the Republican nominee to champion conservative principles in a convincing fashion, because a) whenever that's been tried, which is once, in my lifetime, by Reagan, it's won, and won big, b) that's the only way we'll ever reverse the ratchet of progressivism, by convincing people at a grassroots level to reject it, and finally c) because conservative principles are true. These are statements of truth, that distortions to markets impoverish us all, that the real minimum wage is zero, and that two men have a right to enter into any employment contract that they see fit.
Not out of some primitive yay-my-team tribalism.
Tribal?
Are principles a primitive impulse, a result of our baser instincts toward a prejudice in favor of members of our tribe?
I'd like the Republican nominee to champion conservative principles in a convincing fashion, because a) whenever that's been tried, which is once, in my lifetime, by Reagan, it's won, and won big, b) that's the only way we'll ever reverse the ratchet of progressivism, by convincing people at a grassroots level to reject it, and finally c) because conservative principles are true. These are statements of truth, that distortions to markets impoverish us all, that the real minimum wage is zero, and that two men have a right to enter into any employment contract that they see fit.
Not out of some primitive yay-my-team tribalism.
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