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Cruz, Kasich "Team Up" to Block Trump from Getting to 1,237
Or at least that's the plan -- both candidates are letting it be known that they won't contest some states the other might play better in. Kasich won't play for Indiana (where Cruz is just behind Trump), and Cruz has agreed to stay out of New Mexico and Oregon.
Trump greeted the news in the new, mature "Presidential Mode" he's been showing lately.Wow, just announced that Lyin' Ted and Kasich are going to collude in order to keep me from getting the Republican nomination. DESPERATION!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 25, 2016
Lyin' Ted and Kasich are mathematically dead and totally desperate. Their donors & special interest groups are not happy with them. Sad!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 25, 2016
Lyin' Ted Cruz and 1 for 38 Kasich are unable to beat me on their own so they have to team up (collusion) in a two on one. Shows weakness!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 25, 2016
Comments
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oh lord
Posted by: nckate at April 25, 2016 03:41 PM (O46jc)
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That's it?
Posted by: nip at April 25, 2016 03:42 PM (r73Jl)
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I hope Cruz didn't trade the VP slot for this... hopefully only a cabinet position
Posted by: Mario Romo at April 25, 2016 03:42 PM (12kBq)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 03:43 PM (V/InG)
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Wheeeen the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie
I inhale it!
I inhale it!
Posted by: Kasich looking like a homely lesbian at April 25, 2016 03:43 PM (YM9p3)
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Say what you will, but I kind of like the "1 for 38 Kasich" moniker.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at April 25, 2016 03:44 PM (PFy0L)
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I don't blame him. The RNCe has done nothing but stab him in he back the whole campaign.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 25, 2016 03:44 PM (vvmPQ)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 25, 2016 03:45 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2016 03:45 PM (dciA+)
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Trump sure talks like a loser, I mean a real Loser. Champions, real winners just don't talk that way. I think he is bringing all the Losers together though.
Posted by: Dan the Man at April 25, 2016 03:45 PM (lbPSP)
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You can expect Trump to hit a home run, starring in next seasons GOT as the mysterious King of Winter.
Ooops! Spoiler!
Ooops! Spoiler!
Posted by: George R.R. Martin at April 25, 2016 03:46 PM (/m8T6)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 25, 2016 03:46 PM (qCMvj)
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>>>Say what you will, but I kind of like the "1 for 38 Kasich" moniker.
it's very clever. I'm sure he has new nicknames chosen by which he will defeat ISIS.
it's very clever. I'm sure he has new nicknames chosen by which he will defeat ISIS.
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2016 03:46 PM (dciA+)
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I agreed to not campaign in Indiana in exchange for a pan of lasagna.
...and a meatball sub
....chicken carbonara
....garlic bread
.....and a bucket of KFC.
...and a meatball sub
....chicken carbonara
....garlic bread
.....and a bucket of KFC.
Posted by: Kasich looking like a homely lesbian at April 25, 2016 03:46 PM (YM9p3)
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Trumpdiddly-doo, neighbor!
Posted by: Ned Flanders at April 25, 2016 03:47 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2016 03:47 PM (Zs4uk)
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We found compelling evidence Trump was "in the room" when the Brady Balls were manipulated.
Posted by: Roger Goodell at April 25, 2016 03:47 PM (/m8T6)
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So very very boned.
Posted by: that guy that always thinks we're boned at April 25, 2016 03:48 PM (evdj2)
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I think Ace's ace hole is hurting real bad! Cruz is crashing and burning. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. MAGA!
Posted by: John Falco at April 25, 2016 03:48 PM (pZyrD)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 25, 2016 03:49 PM (evdj2)
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Well another circular firing squad thread.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 03:49 PM (V/InG)
Posted by: L, Elle at April 25, 2016 03:49 PM (2x3L+)
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>>>16 What are you going to do when he wins?
what will you do when he loses, other than not voting as you usually don't?
what will you do when he loses, other than not voting as you usually don't?
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2016 03:50 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 25, 2016 03:51 PM (qCMvj)
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The timing & optics of this do look bad. To a person not closely following the race, it does have the reek of desperation.
Posted by: Landofskybluewater at April 25, 2016 03:51 PM (YM9p3)
Posted by: Bob at April 25, 2016 03:51 PM (BEcOt)
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"1 for 38" Kasich is kind of funny
Posted by: brak at April 25, 2016 03:51 PM (MJuTN)
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Yeah, boy. Once that Establishment gets behind you, it's all loyalty pledges and fucking shanks.
Posted by: Fritz at April 25, 2016 03:52 PM (UzPAd)
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man.... sucks he's gonna be your president
it's awesome that he's gonna be mine tho
Unfortunately, Hillary will both of ours.
it's awesome that he's gonna be mine tho
Unfortunately, Hillary will both of ours.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 25, 2016 03:52 PM (evdj2)
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Well, Kasich just lost his new gig delivering mail to the wall workers.
Posted by: wth at April 25, 2016 03:52 PM (HgMAr)
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Is Kasich really doing better than Cruz in New Mexico? That seems very odd.
Posted by: Lauren at April 25, 2016 03:53 PM (NZnz7)
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what will you do when he loses, other than not voting as you usually don't?
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2016 03:50 PM (dciA+)
As I've always said, I'll support the republican candidate.
Of course, if there is some ridiculously obscene display of "fuck you, base" at the convention, I may rethink that plan.
I will not, however, be supporting Hillary like you announced you'll do.
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2016 03:50 PM (dciA+)
As I've always said, I'll support the republican candidate.
Of course, if there is some ridiculously obscene display of "fuck you, base" at the convention, I may rethink that plan.
I will not, however, be supporting Hillary like you announced you'll do.
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2016 03:53 PM (Zs4uk)
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Strange times..... I trust Kasich as far as I can throw him, but it appears it finally dawned on him that his chance to appeal to the RNC delegates to look at his wonderful general election polling numbers (and ignore his losses in all but 1 state) rested on Cruz winning enough states to keep Trump from getting 1,237.
At least IN comes up soon so that Cruz gets the benefits of this strategy first. I hope it succeeds. IN Polling had Cruz close enough already to potentially close strong as voters finally realized Kasich was running a zombie campaign.
I'll reluctantly vote for Trump if he becomes the nominee, but I continue to believe Cruz has a far better chance to beat Hillary in the Fall. He certainly won't be outworked in the campaign!
At least IN comes up soon so that Cruz gets the benefits of this strategy first. I hope it succeeds. IN Polling had Cruz close enough already to potentially close strong as voters finally realized Kasich was running a zombie campaign.
I'll reluctantly vote for Trump if he becomes the nominee, but I continue to believe Cruz has a far better chance to beat Hillary in the Fall. He certainly won't be outworked in the campaign!
Posted by: Jill v2 at April 25, 2016 03:53 PM (UYQcx)
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My VaGiNa thanks you, DearLeader Donald Cockless Kasich, for my coronation!
Posted by: Hillary's Crusty Cunt at April 25, 2016 03:53 PM (ucB75)
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Im rooting for Trump to win the primary at this point. I like watching people have to live with their own political choices- and Trumpkins will have to live with a increasingly liberal sounding Trump flopping around before getting CRUSHED (by a 10 to 15 margin judging by the polls) by Hilldog.
Then you get to see whether there is really a difference between living under a socialist with unlimited power and a Ryanish GOPe spilt government. Hint 1: They will change the supreme court's composition and come for your guns. Enjoy.
Then you get to see whether there is really a difference between living under a socialist with unlimited power and a Ryanish GOPe spilt government. Hint 1: They will change the supreme court's composition and come for your guns. Enjoy.
Posted by: bob at April 25, 2016 03:53 PM (DKHw0)
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I want to know if he's also going to slam a door and stomp his feet and tell us that he hates us.
Posted by: Pep at April 25, 2016 03:53 PM (nI89I)
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>>>As I've always said, I'll support the republican candidate.
Of course, if there is some ridiculously obscene display of "fuck you, base" at the convention, I may rethink that plan.
I will not, however, be supporting Hillary like you announced you'll do.
...
well aren't you wonderful?
Of course, if there is some ridiculously obscene display of "fuck you, base" at the convention, I may rethink that plan.
I will not, however, be supporting Hillary like you announced you'll do.
...
well aren't you wonderful?
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2016 03:54 PM (dciA+)
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The Trump side is having a lot of fun with this team up.
Posted by: @votermom at April 25, 2016 03:54 PM (nbrY/)
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Better: Kasich gets the fuck out altogether.
Posted by: Lauren at April 25, 2016 03:54 PM (NZnz7)
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How did we get to this point where the presumptive candidates have such high negatives?
I don't see Trump as the criminal whore-bag with blood on her hands that I see in Hillary at all - but at the same time he is no conservative and has always been a progressive NYC liberal.
For those of you that don't want to admit that it's okay - I don't want to argue. Just don't be surprised when amnesty is granted and a wall is never built.
I don't see Trump as the criminal whore-bag with blood on her hands that I see in Hillary at all - but at the same time he is no conservative and has always been a progressive NYC liberal.
For those of you that don't want to admit that it's okay - I don't want to argue. Just don't be surprised when amnesty is granted and a wall is never built.
Posted by: Cheri at April 25, 2016 03:55 PM (oiNtH)
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"what other TrumpWorld news are you demanding I post, as usual?"
Your belt is on too tight.
As far as your post, I was expecting Chess, I got Tiddly Winks.
Your belt is on too tight.
As far as your post, I was expecting Chess, I got Tiddly Winks.
Posted by: nip at April 25, 2016 03:55 PM (r73Jl)
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After tomorrow Trump will have a little over 1000 delegates, he is more than likely going to get to 1237.
With the primaries over the hard feelings can be put aside and we can get a Trump/Cruz unity ticket and give a veritable shot to the kibatz of the establishment scum bags and start taking on the witch and the dem war machine.
Trump/Cruz 2016 - Fuck you, WAR!!
With the primaries over the hard feelings can be put aside and we can get a Trump/Cruz unity ticket and give a veritable shot to the kibatz of the establishment scum bags and start taking on the witch and the dem war machine.
Trump/Cruz 2016 - Fuck you, WAR!!
Posted by: Kreplach at April 25, 2016 03:55 PM (OtqMl)
43
you know, I never have to say much in Trump post-- I just say what he actually said, with light snark.
Then the Trumpheads all get cranky as if it's my fault he behaves this way -- or that my mission here is to sanitize the news for Trump people, do some creative censorship for the cause. (A cause Trump can't quite announce, but which seems to involve a wall and Mexicans.)
Then the Trumpheads all get cranky as if it's my fault he behaves this way -- or that my mission here is to sanitize the news for Trump people, do some creative censorship for the cause. (A cause Trump can't quite announce, but which seems to involve a wall and Mexicans.)
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2016 03:55 PM (dciA+)
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man.... sucks he's gonna be your president
it's awesome that he's gonna be mine tho
Unfortunately, Hillary will both of ours.
.........................
Not if Comey finally finds his car keys.
Which I doubt, so yeah.
man.... sucks he's gonna be your president
it's awesome that he's gonna be mine tho
Unfortunately, Hillary will both of ours.
.........................
Not if Comey finally finds his car keys.
Which I doubt, so yeah.
Posted by: wth at April 25, 2016 03:56 PM (HgMAr)
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>>> "1 for 38" Kasich is kind of funny
Posted by: brak at April 25, 2016 03:51 PM (MJuTN
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I appreciate that too. I kept wondering when he would come up with an insulting name for Kasich. I call him Spawn of Mailman to all my politico junkies friends
Posted by: brak at April 25, 2016 03:51 PM (MJuTN
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I appreciate that too. I kept wondering when he would come up with an insulting name for Kasich. I call him Spawn of Mailman to all my politico junkies friends
Posted by: L, Elle at April 25, 2016 03:56 PM (2x3L+)
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Will Cruz win five bronze medals tomorrow?
He's become unhinged in his latest rant about if Trump is the nominee it'll be The End of the World as We Know It, and that only Ted can save us from damnation and hell fire and the loss of the Bill of Rights. A more righteous Joel Osteen, if you will.
He's become unhinged in his latest rant about if Trump is the nominee it'll be The End of the World as We Know It, and that only Ted can save us from damnation and hell fire and the loss of the Bill of Rights. A more righteous Joel Osteen, if you will.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2016 03:56 PM (r1fLd)
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well aren't you wonderful?
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2016 03:54 PM (dciA+)
Why are you antagonistic to someone saying he will support the Nominee of the Republican party?
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2016 03:54 PM (dciA+)
Why are you antagonistic to someone saying he will support the Nominee of the Republican party?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 03:56 PM (V/InG)
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If they'd done this a month ago it might've had an effect. I think it's too late now. Also, the Lyin Ted and 1 for 38 is branding. Trump' pretty good at it. I've noticed that he's already calling herself Crooked Hilary.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 25, 2016 03:57 PM (kTF2Z)
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"man.... sucks he's gonna be your president
it's awesome that he's gonna be mine tho"
Despite my misgivings about Trump, I'd still prefer him to Hillary. What concerns me is the polls showing he gets creamed in the general. For Trump supporters, what's your take on that? Are you expecting it to turn around after/if Trump locks up the nomination?
it's awesome that he's gonna be mine tho"
Despite my misgivings about Trump, I'd still prefer him to Hillary. What concerns me is the polls showing he gets creamed in the general. For Trump supporters, what's your take on that? Are you expecting it to turn around after/if Trump locks up the nomination?
Posted by: Baboo the Occelot at April 25, 2016 03:57 PM (vDEpI)
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This looks bad for the Repuke party, but then what is new. This DOES look desperate. If they were smart, we would have never been here in the first place.
The more they push down Trump the more he gains support (even if fully legit in their actions, it'sa competition war, after all).
Some people WILL look at this as the GOPe colluding. No doubt about it. But, then again, what's new?
This looks bad for the Repuke party, but then what is new. This DOES look desperate. If they were smart, we would have never been here in the first place.
The more they push down Trump the more he gains support (even if fully legit in their actions, it's
Some people WILL look at this as the GOPe colluding. No doubt about it. But, then again, what's new?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 25, 2016 03:57 PM (qCMvj)
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16 What are you going to do when he wins?
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2016 03:47 PM (Zs4uk)
----------------------
Get up. Brush my teeth. Down some coffee. Go to work. Etc., etc., etc.
IOW ----nothing.
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2016 03:47 PM (Zs4uk)
----------------------
Get up. Brush my teeth. Down some coffee. Go to work. Etc., etc., etc.
IOW ----nothing.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 25, 2016 03:57 PM (T/5A0)
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well aren't you wonderful?
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2016 03:54 PM (dciA+)
Why, yes. Yes I am.
Another thing you may like to consider...
At some point, a respected pollster is going to come out with national numbers that aren't based on the exact same turnout model as Obama's election.
Of course, this will show a 45 state landslide for Trump.
Will you change your tune then?
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2016 03:54 PM (dciA+)
Why, yes. Yes I am.
Another thing you may like to consider...
At some point, a respected pollster is going to come out with national numbers that aren't based on the exact same turnout model as Obama's election.
Of course, this will show a 45 state landslide for Trump.
Will you change your tune then?
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2016 03:57 PM (Zs4uk)
53
"I don't see Trump as the criminal whore-bag with blood on her hands that I see in Hillary at all - but at the same time he is no conservative and has always been a progressive NYC liberal.
For those of you that don't want to admit that it's okay - I don't want to argue. Just don't be surprised when amnesty is granted and a wall is never built.
Posted by: Cheri at April 25, 2016 03:55 PM (oiNtH)"
Cheri, you have such a VIVID way with words! I don't think I'll ever see a photo of Hillary again without your colorful imagery popping up in my head.....
Let's all hope that after early November we won't be looking at Hillary much unless the FBI really does succeed in indicting her.
For those of you that don't want to admit that it's okay - I don't want to argue. Just don't be surprised when amnesty is granted and a wall is never built.
Posted by: Cheri at April 25, 2016 03:55 PM (oiNtH)"
Cheri, you have such a VIVID way with words! I don't think I'll ever see a photo of Hillary again without your colorful imagery popping up in my head.....
Let's all hope that after early November we won't be looking at Hillary much unless the FBI really does succeed in indicting her.
Posted by: Jill v2 at April 25, 2016 03:58 PM (UYQcx)
Posted by: L, Elle at April 25, 2016 03:58 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Amazon Shipping free for orders over $50 at April 25, 2016 03:58 PM (OQubk)
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What a shit load of fuck this primary has been. Remember how funny it was when more & more people kept on piling into the clown car?
I blame people like Huck & Santorum for diluting the pool that Trump is now the front runner. Shit, the Huckster wouldn't even be able to win an eating contest against amazing.
I blame people like Huck & Santorum for diluting the pool that Trump is now the front runner. Shit, the Huckster wouldn't even be able to win an eating contest against amazing.
Posted by: Landofskybluewater at April 25, 2016 03:59 PM (YM9p3)
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Will Cruz win five bronze medals tomorrow?
He's become unhinged in his latest rant about if Trump is the nominee it'll be The End of the World as We Know It, and that only Ted can save us from damnation and hell fire and the loss of the Bill of Rights. A more righteous Joel Osteen, if you will.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2016 03:56 PM (r1fLd)
He could be right.
The problem with Trump is, no one knows what the hell he believes. Maybe some of his closest friends, but certainly not the voters.
He's become unhinged in his latest rant about if Trump is the nominee it'll be The End of the World as We Know It, and that only Ted can save us from damnation and hell fire and the loss of the Bill of Rights. A more righteous Joel Osteen, if you will.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2016 03:56 PM (r1fLd)
He could be right.
The problem with Trump is, no one knows what the hell he believes. Maybe some of his closest friends, but certainly not the voters.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 25, 2016 03:59 PM (qCMvj)
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This seems like a strange strategy for a presidential candidate.
Did they just give up running to win and be the one that can best beat the Democrats? Now their goal is just to stop Donald Trump? That's your strategy for 2016?
I don't get this entire presidential race. No matter who wins... we lose.
Did they just give up running to win and be the one that can best beat the Democrats? Now their goal is just to stop Donald Trump? That's your strategy for 2016?
I don't get this entire presidential race. No matter who wins... we lose.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 25, 2016 03:59 PM (39g3+)
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So, last week, Trump's new campaign honcho, Paul Manafort, the K Street lobbyist with the long list of unsavory clients, said that there was no need to worry, that all of Trump's campaigning and positioning up until now had been "an act", and that everything was going to change in between now and the general election.
Oh. I feel so much better for knowing that. I am deeply comforted.
Um.... would it be too much trouble to inform us which specific policy proposals had been part of said "act" and which will be jettisoned?
Oh. I feel so much better for knowing that. I am deeply comforted.
Um.... would it be too much trouble to inform us which specific policy proposals had been part of said "act" and which will be jettisoned?
Posted by: torquewrench at April 25, 2016 04:00 PM (noWW6)
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D_E_S_P_E_R_A_T_I_O_N
Posted by: Harry S. Crotum at April 25, 2016 04:00 PM (RvzRN)
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You CAN'T leave that lie, Ace! Trump does the lying around here!
Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 25, 2016 04:00 PM (Kucy5)
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"At some point, a respected pollster is going to come out with national numbers that aren't based on the exact same turnout model as Obama's election."
Spot on.
Spot on.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2016 04:00 PM (r1fLd)
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In today's edition of "let's kill ourselves for being the kind of people who incessantly talk about politics while life passes us by" Cruz-fiends feign nonchalance over teaming up with Potato-Mail Man in a desperation bid to deny an insurgent candidate the nomination so it can be decided by the GOPe in Cleveland this summer, and using twitter is inappropriate for mass-communication in 2016.
Insurgent candidate who has been labeled a "short-dicked vulgarian who only ever got laid by paying for whores with daddy's money" and who's apparently married to a whore, with a whore daughter daughter, who is a failed businessman, and, my favorite, a "clown-shaped pile or orange shit" is castigated for pledging not to support any other candidate who wins the nomination that no one other than himself can win with any popular support.
Truly this is a nasty idiot of a man with no understanding of the intricacies of modern politics.
His likely opponents, a widely loathed bureaucratic organized crime donna with one foot in the witness stand and the other in the grave and a crusty, senile old socialist who believes that whites owe reparations and gender is a construct, are, without a shred of doubt, shoo-ins for the white house if they have the pleasure of running against this disorganized, disreputable moron that no person and no amount of money has been able to stop thus far.
Insurgent candidate who has been labeled a "short-dicked vulgarian who only ever got laid by paying for whores with daddy's money" and who's apparently married to a whore, with a whore daughter daughter, who is a failed businessman, and, my favorite, a "clown-shaped pile or orange shit" is castigated for pledging not to support any other candidate who wins the nomination that no one other than himself can win with any popular support.
Truly this is a nasty idiot of a man with no understanding of the intricacies of modern politics.
His likely opponents, a widely loathed bureaucratic organized crime donna with one foot in the witness stand and the other in the grave and a crusty, senile old socialist who believes that whites owe reparations and gender is a construct, are, without a shred of doubt, shoo-ins for the white house if they have the pleasure of running against this disorganized, disreputable moron that no person and no amount of money has been able to stop thus far.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 04:01 PM (xuouz)
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I don't get this entire presidential race. No matter who wins... we lose.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 25, 2016 03:59 PM (39g3+)
*****
Seems like you do understand this cycle. Asked and answered.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 25, 2016 03:59 PM (39g3+)
*****
Seems like you do understand this cycle. Asked and answered.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 25, 2016 04:01 PM (YLidQ)
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1 for 38 Kasich. Good one.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 25, 2016 04:01 PM (0LHZx)
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It took them long enough. And at this late date it stops looking like a coherent planned strategy and more like desperation tactics.
"Bullets aren't stopping him! What do you have, Ted?"
"Holy water, take that Monster Trump!"
*The Monster Trump keeps coming on roaring and blathering*
"Nothing is working, we'll have to try something different, Ted!"
"I got a plan! First, you distract it!"
"What?"
*Ted starts running* "Eat him first!"
"Bullets aren't stopping him! What do you have, Ted?"
"Holy water, take that Monster Trump!"
*The Monster Trump keeps coming on roaring and blathering*
"Nothing is working, we'll have to try something different, Ted!"
"I got a plan! First, you distract it!"
"What?"
*Ted starts running* "Eat him first!"
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Pox Vobiscum - Get Your Literate Latinate Curses from the Outrage Outlet! at April 25, 2016 04:02 PM (hLRSq)
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you know, I never have to say much in Trump post-- I just say what he actually said, with light snark.
Then the Trumpheads all get cranky as if it's my fault he behaves this way -- or that my mission here is to sanitize the news for Trump people, do some creative censorship for the cause. (A cause Trump can't quite announce, but which seems to involve a wall and Mexicans.)
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2016 03:55 PM (dciA+)
I know.
It's awesome.
So I laugh.
You should too.
It's hysterical.
Then the Trumpheads all get cranky as if it's my fault he behaves this way -- or that my mission here is to sanitize the news for Trump people, do some creative censorship for the cause. (A cause Trump can't quite announce, but which seems to involve a wall and Mexicans.)
Posted by: ace at April 25, 2016 03:55 PM (dciA+)
I know.
It's awesome.
So I laugh.
You should too.
It's hysterical.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 25, 2016 04:02 PM (qCMvj)
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Commence the gnashing of hair and the pulling of teeth!! Oh, hep me hep me!! AAIIIEEEEEE!!!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 25, 2016 04:02 PM (rnjkU)
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"After tomorrow Trump will have a little over 1000 delegates, he is more than likely going to get to 1237.
With the primaries over the hard feelings can be put aside and we can get a Trump/Cruz unity ticket and give a veritable shot to the kibatz of the establishment scum bags and start taking on the witch and the dem war machine.
Trump/Cruz 2016 - Fuck you, WAR!!
Posted by: Kreplach at April 25, 2016 03:55 PM (OtqMl)"
Perhaps you're right. We'll see in a few weeks how it all works out. However, I'm highly doubtful that Cruz will join Trump on his ticket. Kind of hard to paper over the insults Trump has directed at Cruz. Dedicated Trump supporters who continue to buy the anti-Cruz birther argument would find it very odd to see him on the ticket. Plus, I suspect Cruz would politely decline to join up for what he obviously thinks would be a Titanically doomed general election campaign.
Much simpler to wait to pick up the shattered pieces for another run in 4 years.
With the primaries over the hard feelings can be put aside and we can get a Trump/Cruz unity ticket and give a veritable shot to the kibatz of the establishment scum bags and start taking on the witch and the dem war machine.
Trump/Cruz 2016 - Fuck you, WAR!!
Posted by: Kreplach at April 25, 2016 03:55 PM (OtqMl)"
Perhaps you're right. We'll see in a few weeks how it all works out. However, I'm highly doubtful that Cruz will join Trump on his ticket. Kind of hard to paper over the insults Trump has directed at Cruz. Dedicated Trump supporters who continue to buy the anti-Cruz birther argument would find it very odd to see him on the ticket. Plus, I suspect Cruz would politely decline to join up for what he obviously thinks would be a Titanically doomed general election campaign.
Much simpler to wait to pick up the shattered pieces for another run in 4 years.
Posted by: Jill v2 at April 25, 2016 04:02 PM (UYQcx)
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56 Kasich, not amazing.
My auto correct refused to acknowledge the existence of the mailman's son.
....if only.
My auto correct refused to acknowledge the existence of the mailman's son.
....if only.
Posted by: Landofskybluewater at April 25, 2016 04:02 PM (YM9p3)
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Sports and News colliding! Trump today in RI calling on the NFL to leave Tom Brady alone, Bobby Knight is going to join Trump at a rally in Indiana later this week.
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 25, 2016 04:02 PM (2cS/G)
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So.....basically the campaign slogan is vote for me so we can cause more dysfunction....we promise to stew things up.....if I was a mastic or Cruz supporter....I would be happy
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at April 25, 2016 04:03 PM (egzLR)
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Of course, this will show a 45 state landslide for Trump.
Will you change your tune then?
Posted by: jwest
This wasn't directed at me but I think it is a lot of wish-casting. If wrong and the Donald wins in a landslide, no it will not change my tune. On the very few specific policy statements he has made, he has flipped on nearly all of them.
Will you change your tune then?
Posted by: jwest
This wasn't directed at me but I think it is a lot of wish-casting. If wrong and the Donald wins in a landslide, no it will not change my tune. On the very few specific policy statements he has made, he has flipped on nearly all of them.
Posted by: Cheri at April 25, 2016 04:03 PM (oiNtH)
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It's a good thing that Ted is a Washington outsider. A real thorn in the side of the party.
Posted by: ajmojo at April 25, 2016 04:03 PM (1H9ox)
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I keep waiting to see numbers from the primaries concerning how many Dems (in total) have turned out vs. how many Reps have turned out. I wouldn't draw any conclusion from those numbers, but it would be interesting.
Has anyone seen such a compilation?
Has anyone seen such a compilation?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM (9mTYi)
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Well another circular firing squad thread.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 03:49 PM (V/InG)
The Outrage Outlet stocks all of the popular ammunition calibers.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 03:49 PM (V/InG)
The Outrage Outlet stocks all of the popular ammunition calibers.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Pox Vobiscum - Get Your Literate Latinate Curses from the Outrage Outlet! at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM (hLRSq)
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This fucking Kasich. We can't get rid of this motherfucker.
Nobody likes him, 1 for 38, and yet here he still is. I thought Mario would be the spoiler
Nobody likes him, 1 for 38, and yet here he still is. I thought Mario would be the spoiler
Posted by: L, Elle at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM (2x3L+)
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Posted by: torquewrench at April 25, 2016 04:00 PM (noWW6)
Trump's campaign top dawg essentially called Trump's followers fools and his "policy" to date fake and never going to happen.
And yet the Trumpkins are still here today celebrating their liberal, progressive, low IQ charaltan. He has already signaled loud and clear you have been had- but he's still DADDY, right fellas?
Trump's campaign top dawg essentially called Trump's followers fools and his "policy" to date fake and never going to happen.
And yet the Trumpkins are still here today celebrating their liberal, progressive, low IQ charaltan. He has already signaled loud and clear you have been had- but he's still DADDY, right fellas?
Posted by: bob at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM (DKHw0)
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Heh. Trump spinners defend Trump all the time by saying all of his donation bribery, colluding with the government on eminent domain and bankruptcy games is all legal and just playing by the rules.
Boo-ya!
Boo-ya!
Posted by: Joe Hallenback at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM (EWRow)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM (xuouz)
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Someone on Team Cruz knows the art of the deal.
Indiana is May 3, Oregon May 17, New Mexico June 6. Kasich campaign is almost out of cash, he may not be around in 2 weeks.
Indiana is May 3, Oregon May 17, New Mexico June 6. Kasich campaign is almost out of cash, he may not be around in 2 weeks.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM (a9zui)
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"he rules out campaigning for the nominee (if it's not himself)"
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Yeah, he's not reaching out to you or me. He's talking to the guys (mainly) who've been out of the voting electorate for years. Why's Trump surging now? Because he ain't "a thousand points of life" Bush or "binders full of women" Romney or a "suspend my campaign" John McCain, that's why. He's got his target voters zeroed in.
Trump is going to crush some hopes tomorrow. Ted Cruz is selling out to the GOPe for the best deal he can get. Where's the "conservative purity" now? Holding hands with Kasich?
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Yeah, he's not reaching out to you or me. He's talking to the guys (mainly) who've been out of the voting electorate for years. Why's Trump surging now? Because he ain't "a thousand points of life" Bush or "binders full of women" Romney or a "suspend my campaign" John McCain, that's why. He's got his target voters zeroed in.
Trump is going to crush some hopes tomorrow. Ted Cruz is selling out to the GOPe for the best deal he can get. Where's the "conservative purity" now? Holding hands with Kasich?
Posted by: mrp at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM (JBggj)
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Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 04:01 PM (xuouz)
Did P.T. Barnum write any books?
Did P.T. Barnum write any books?
Posted by: BignJames at April 25, 2016 04:05 PM (j7iSn)
Posted by: naturalfake at April 25, 2016 04:05 PM (0cMkb)
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM (9mTYi)
It doesn't matter because there is no correlation between primary and GE turnout. In fact, it is generally the opposite, competitive primaries bread high turnout, but also tend to make the parties candidate toxic, leading to a major GE loss.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/primary-turnout-means-nothing-for-the-general-election/
It doesn't matter because there is no correlation between primary and GE turnout. In fact, it is generally the opposite, competitive primaries bread high turnout, but also tend to make the parties candidate toxic, leading to a major GE loss.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/primary-turnout-means-nothing-for-the-general-election/
Posted by: bob at April 25, 2016 04:05 PM (DKHw0)
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Yeah Cruz is polling better than Kasich in New Mexico. What gives?
Posted by: Lauren at April 25, 2016 04:05 PM (NZnz7)
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I suspect that Trump will continue behaving like a petulant child and turn off people like me, who find him to be a clownish buffoon (at best) but wee willing to almost choke on our vomit and vote for him against the Corrupt Hag of Benghazi.
It's like he's making himself offensive on purpose.
Don't blame me if (when) Narcissistic Unstable Donnie loses to his fellow liberal Hillary. Blame his out of control behavior (and the abandonment of his initial promises, which is sure to come).
It's like he's making himself offensive on purpose.
Don't blame me if (when) Narcissistic Unstable Donnie loses to his fellow liberal Hillary. Blame his out of control behavior (and the abandonment of his initial promises, which is sure to come).
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 04:06 PM (mBYZv)
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I'd like to stab them through the face with a spear. It's really empowering when you think about it. I've got a great mind.
Posted by: Donald at April 25, 2016 04:06 PM (LYCUN)
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***jolts note*** no more comments from the tablet
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at April 25, 2016 04:06 PM (egzLR)
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I hope Kasich spends the rest of his days at an all you can eat buffet until he pops like a tick. Can't stand him
I hope Kasich spends the rest of his days at an all you can eat buffet until he pops like a tick. Can't stand him
Posted by: ThunderB at April 25, 2016 04:06 PM (lwhMk)
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It's like an old WWE interview segment. Woo!
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 25, 2016 04:06 PM (JO9+V)
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This fucking Kasich. We can't get rid of this motherfucker.
Nobody likes him, 1 for 38, and yet here he still is. I thought Mario would be the spoiler
Posted by: L, Elle at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM (2x3L+)
I would have preferred Rubio. Kasich is like floating dead wood.
Nobody likes him, 1 for 38, and yet here he still is. I thought Mario would be the spoiler
Posted by: L, Elle at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM (2x3L+)
I would have preferred Rubio. Kasich is like floating dead wood.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 25, 2016 04:06 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Fritz at April 25, 2016 04:06 PM (UzPAd)
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Someone on Team Cruz knows the art of the deal.
Indiana is May 3, Oregon May 17, New Mexico June 6. Kasich campaign is almost out of cash, he may not be around in 2 weeks.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM (a9zui)
A little bird told me that he'll have plenty of money.
Indiana is May 3, Oregon May 17, New Mexico June 6. Kasich campaign is almost out of cash, he may not be around in 2 weeks.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM (a9zui)
A little bird told me that he'll have plenty of money.
Posted by: George Soros at April 25, 2016 04:07 PM (0cMkb)
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Much simpler to wait to pick up the shattered pieces for another run in 4 years 8 years.
Posted by: Jill
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Edited.
And that assumes that anything salvageable remains after 8 years, which I doubt.
Posted by: Jill
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Edited.
And that assumes that anything salvageable remains after 8 years, which I doubt.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 25, 2016 04:07 PM (9mTYi)
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63 "In today's edition of "let's kill ourselves for being the kind of people who incessantly talk about politics while life passes us by"
In an effort to "shake it up" a little, I have vowed to transition away from ironing my own shirts.
And some people don't think political junkies live exciting lives...
In an effort to "shake it up" a little, I have vowed to transition away from ironing my own shirts.
And some people don't think political junkies live exciting lives...
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2016 04:07 PM (Zs4uk)
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62 "At some point, a respected pollster is going to come out with national numbers that aren't based on the exact same turnout model as Obama's election."
Spot on.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2016 04:00 PM (r1fLd)
Too bad that is completely untrue, just like everything else Trumpkins come up with. Look at the turnout models in the appendixes. They are far less optimistic than 2012 for Ds. He still loses by 10+.
Spot on.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2016 04:00 PM (r1fLd)
Too bad that is completely untrue, just like everything else Trumpkins come up with. Look at the turnout models in the appendixes. They are far less optimistic than 2012 for Ds. He still loses by 10+.
Posted by: bob at April 25, 2016 04:08 PM (DKHw0)
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"At some point, a respected pollster is going to come out with national numbers that aren't based on the exact same turnout model as Obama's election.
Of course, this will show a 45 state landslide for Trump.
Will you change your tune then?
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2016 03:57 PM (Zs4uk)"
Pollsters no longer enjoy much of a respected position anymore. If Trump becomes the nominee and I wake up the day after the November election to find he got a 45 state landslide, then I'll be convinced I was wrong to think he was a recklessly crazy choice for the nomination.
As things stand now, I don't see him achieving anywhere near that. Instead, it looks like his failure to build a serious campaign infrastructure, lack of developing a donor network (or making plans to raise the $1B he'll need by selling his property), history of saying whatever flits through his head, and knack for alienating at least 50% of the general Republican voters auger poorly for the Fall.
Of course, this will show a 45 state landslide for Trump.
Will you change your tune then?
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2016 03:57 PM (Zs4uk)"
Pollsters no longer enjoy much of a respected position anymore. If Trump becomes the nominee and I wake up the day after the November election to find he got a 45 state landslide, then I'll be convinced I was wrong to think he was a recklessly crazy choice for the nomination.
As things stand now, I don't see him achieving anywhere near that. Instead, it looks like his failure to build a serious campaign infrastructure, lack of developing a donor network (or making plans to raise the $1B he'll need by selling his property), history of saying whatever flits through his head, and knack for alienating at least 50% of the general Republican voters auger poorly for the Fall.
Posted by: Jill v2 at April 25, 2016 04:08 PM (UYQcx)
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I honestly wish the quotes by Trump were considered "Presidential". Since they are directed at those who oppose him yet are still wholly truthful.
Instead, "Presidential" is when you speak in politically guarded and polling data tested half truths.
Instead, "Presidential" is when you speak in politically guarded and polling data tested half truths.
Posted by: ajmojo at April 25, 2016 04:08 PM (1H9ox)
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And this is any different from what team stupid has been doing?
At the end of this congress the GOP will have controlled congress for 18 of the last 22 years, the senate for 12 of the last 22 years and the presidency for the 8 of the last 22 and we have exactly jack and shit to show for it except an unpayable debt, loss of freedom, loss of Liberty our country literally slipping away from us.
The GOP says a lot, wins nothing.
I'm frustrated out of ideas and Trump is the Hail Mary.
Cruz is a shitty retail campaigner but has now found his mojo because now he pull his shitty lawyer bullshit by picking off deleagates and trying to work "the system"
And this is any different from what team stupid has been doing?
At the end of this congress the GOP will have controlled congress for 18 of the last 22 years, the senate for 12 of the last 22 years and the presidency for the 8 of the last 22 and we have exactly jack and shit to show for it except an unpayable debt, loss of freedom, loss of Liberty our country literally slipping away from us.
The GOP says a lot, wins nothing.
I'm frustrated out of ideas and Trump is the Hail Mary.
Cruz is a shitty retail campaigner but has now found his mojo because now he pull his shitty lawyer bullshit by picking off deleagates and trying to work "the system"
Posted by: Kreplach at April 25, 2016 04:08 PM (OtqMl)
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Heh. Trump spinners defend Trump all the time by saying all of his donation bribery, colluding with the government on eminent domain and bankruptcy games is all legal and just playing by the rules.
Posted by: Joe Hallenback at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM (EWRow)
That's correct. And I've never criticized Cruz for doing it. It's formerly anti-GOPe commenters (and writers) crowing about it while ignoring that it bolsters anti-establishment credibility that Trump never should have had that I find objectionable.
Also, that even with the major Colorado PR blunder Cruz still isn't going to win the nomination and isn't guaranteed to stop Trump.
Shortsighted!
Posted by: Joe Hallenback at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM (EWRow)
That's correct. And I've never criticized Cruz for doing it. It's formerly anti-GOPe commenters (and writers) crowing about it while ignoring that it bolsters anti-establishment credibility that Trump never should have had that I find objectionable.
Also, that even with the major Colorado PR blunder Cruz still isn't going to win the nomination and isn't guaranteed to stop Trump.
Shortsighted!
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 04:08 PM (xuouz)
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I have no problem with Kasich and Cruz "colluding" to defeat Trump. Anything to keep that Leftwing Populist jackass off the Republican ballot. If Trump manages to win the nomination, his "swing to the center" for the General will be a full-on boomerang right back to his natural NYC Liberal positions.
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 25, 2016 04:08 PM (2cS/G)
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91 It's like an old WWE interview segment. Woo!
This whole primary is building like a promo, and the convention is the PPV.
This whole primary is building like a promo, and the convention is the PPV.
Posted by: brak at April 25, 2016 04:08 PM (MJuTN)
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Let's all hope that after early November we won't be looking at Hillary much unless the FBI really does succeed in indicting her.
Posted by: Jill v2
I desperately want to see her in orange and totally disgraced. The odds aren't good on that but a girl can dream. At least with Sanders he is a goofy old doof that would be able to get little done and might be good for a few laughs.
Posted by: Jill v2
I desperately want to see her in orange and totally disgraced. The odds aren't good on that but a girl can dream. At least with Sanders he is a goofy old doof that would be able to get little done and might be good for a few laughs.
Posted by: Cheri at April 25, 2016 04:09 PM (oiNtH)
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And if by some miracle he wins, I will own no part of the abject disaster that will ensue.
Looking forward to him mocking Merkel's looks and swooning at Putin's minor compliments.
Looking forward to him mocking Merkel's looks and swooning at Putin's minor compliments.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 04:09 PM (mBYZv)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 25, 2016 04:09 PM (9mTYi)
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Please let's not all delude ourselves into thinking all the negative polls are wrong. Remember the heartbreak of 2012
Posted by: ThunderB at April 25, 2016 04:09 PM (lwhMk)
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"The Outrage Outlet stocks all of the popular ammunition calibers."
Do you give case discounts on crossbow bolts? I'm stocking up. The next round of the circular firing squad after tomorrow's primaries will be epic.
Do you give case discounts on crossbow bolts? I'm stocking up. The next round of the circular firing squad after tomorrow's primaries will be epic.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 25, 2016 04:09 PM (noWW6)
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Kayshit has come in dead last in just about every State and should have never entered the race. And if he had even one grain of honesty he would have dropped out long ago.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 25, 2016 04:10 PM (vvmPQ)
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"well aren't you wonderful?"
I don't know why Ace bothers to post Trump stuff at this point. Too much butthurt.
Churlish sneering petulant Ace is not a good Ace.
I used to read Kevin Williamson until unhinged Trump Derangement Syndrome took him places he shouldn't have gone (e.g. crowing for the death of white middle class towns, telling dispossessed workers to rent U-Hauls or suck it).
I don't know why Ace bothers to post Trump stuff at this point. Too much butthurt.
Churlish sneering petulant Ace is not a good Ace.
I used to read Kevin Williamson until unhinged Trump Derangement Syndrome took him places he shouldn't have gone (e.g. crowing for the death of white middle class towns, telling dispossessed workers to rent U-Hauls or suck it).
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 25, 2016 04:10 PM (los4L)
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I like Cruz, I really do. But I feel like he reads better than he sounds, if that makes any sense.
It's like reading the Hank Rearden speech in Atlas Shrugged, pumping your fist, and then watching the movie version to find that Gilbert Gottfried is playing the role.
It's like reading the Hank Rearden speech in Atlas Shrugged, pumping your fist, and then watching the movie version to find that Gilbert Gottfried is playing the role.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at April 25, 2016 04:10 PM (Nj2wY)
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Isn't that essentially what Cruz and Kasich are saying? that they won't campaign for Trump? Along with a bunch of other GOP establishment types?
So, how is it terrible when Trump says the same thing?
I don't think Trump is great or "the answer", but I don't get the Trump hatred.
It's not like the GOP itself - including Kasich and Cruz - are going to do anything but what they have done for the last 30 years if somehow Cruz or Kasich wins the WH. They will essentially keep moving the country left, while allowing the left's gains of the last 8 years be solidified, and they'll pass amnesty and increase spending/debt.
this idea that stopping Trump is somehow "conservative" is nonsense. There is no "conservative" in play. Even Cruz will end up with a GOP that is decidedly leftist. So, even if you believe Cruz is as conservative as he claims, you aren't getting any conservative results with Cruz. You'll end up with more of the same.
So, there is no battle between "conservatism" and Trump. It's really a battle between GOP power-brokers and insiders versus Trump. Again, not saying Trump is great, and I don't believe he is conservative, but the other side is as bad or worse. At least with Trump there is some hope, however slight, that we won't end up with amnesty.
So, how is it terrible when Trump says the same thing?
I don't think Trump is great or "the answer", but I don't get the Trump hatred.
It's not like the GOP itself - including Kasich and Cruz - are going to do anything but what they have done for the last 30 years if somehow Cruz or Kasich wins the WH. They will essentially keep moving the country left, while allowing the left's gains of the last 8 years be solidified, and they'll pass amnesty and increase spending/debt.
this idea that stopping Trump is somehow "conservative" is nonsense. There is no "conservative" in play. Even Cruz will end up with a GOP that is decidedly leftist. So, even if you believe Cruz is as conservative as he claims, you aren't getting any conservative results with Cruz. You'll end up with more of the same.
So, there is no battle between "conservatism" and Trump. It's really a battle between GOP power-brokers and insiders versus Trump. Again, not saying Trump is great, and I don't believe he is conservative, but the other side is as bad or worse. At least with Trump there is some hope, however slight, that we won't end up with amnesty.
Posted by: Golden at April 25, 2016 04:10 PM (3ZtZW)
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I consider Kasich a left wing jackass
Posted by: ThunderB at April 25, 2016 04:10 PM (lwhMk)
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Never wanted him to and would be highly disappointed if he did , but there may have been a slight chance that Cruz would have taken the very slight chance of an offer for VP. Insults against him by Trump and all. That chance was eliminated when Trump went after his wife.
Posted by: Joe Hallenback at April 25, 2016 04:10 PM (EWRow)
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In an effort to "shake it up" a little, I have vowed to transition away from ironing my own shirts.
And some people don't think political junkies live exciting lives...
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2016 04:07 PM (Zs4uk)
but a little humility goes a long way
And some people don't think political junkies live exciting lives...
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2016 04:07 PM (Zs4uk)
but a little humility goes a long way
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 25, 2016 04:10 PM (qCMvj)
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>>>> I would have preferred Rubio. Kasich is like floating dead wood.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 25, 2016 04:06 PM (qCMvj)
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Ha, artisanal! Rubio and his speedboat and garbage is looking so better much better every day.
I can't believe this Kasich and his mailman dad.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 25, 2016 04:06 PM (qCMvj)
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Ha, artisanal! Rubio and his speedboat and garbage is looking so better much better every day.
I can't believe this Kasich and his mailman dad.
Posted by: L, Elle at April 25, 2016 04:11 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: OregonGuy at April 25, 2016 04:11 PM (knKSN)
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This wasn't directed at me but I think it is a lot of wish-casting. If wrong and the Donald wins in a landslide, no it will not change my tune. On the very few specific policy statements he has made, he has flipped on nearly all of them.
Posted by: Cheri at April 25, 2016 04:03 PM (oiNtH)
All of the machinations and maneuverings this year has been wishcasting on a grand scale. If it weren't so hilarious watching respected pundits twisting themselves in knots and trying to convince themselves - let alone others - that this plan was the honest to goodness plan that would work it would have been depressingly pathetic.
It was like Linus convincing Sally to wait with him for the Great Pumpkin and then vowing next year to find another, more sincere pumpkin patch.
Posted by: Cheri at April 25, 2016 04:03 PM (oiNtH)
All of the machinations and maneuverings this year has been wishcasting on a grand scale. If it weren't so hilarious watching respected pundits twisting themselves in knots and trying to convince themselves - let alone others - that this plan was the honest to goodness plan that would work it would have been depressingly pathetic.
It was like Linus convincing Sally to wait with him for the Great Pumpkin and then vowing next year to find another, more sincere pumpkin patch.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Pox Vobiscum - Get Your Literate Latinate Curses from the Outrage Outlet! at April 25, 2016 04:11 PM (hLRSq)
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GW poll shows Hillary and Trump within the MOE.
"The GW poll found that of the five candidates still in the race for the highest office, only two -- Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders and Ohio governor John Kasich -- have an unfavorable rating below 50 percent, at 44 and 29, respectively. The other three -- former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (56 percent), Texas Senator Ted Cruz (55 percent) and businessman Donald Trump (65 percent --are all mostly disliked."
Weird, huh? Favorable is inversely correlated with Winning.
"The GW poll found that of the five candidates still in the race for the highest office, only two -- Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders and Ohio governor John Kasich -- have an unfavorable rating below 50 percent, at 44 and 29, respectively. The other three -- former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (56 percent), Texas Senator Ted Cruz (55 percent) and businessman Donald Trump (65 percent --are all mostly disliked."
Weird, huh? Favorable is inversely correlated with Winning.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2016 04:12 PM (r1fLd)
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Glad I missed the Game of Thrones thread. Anyone asked the goddess Ashtoreth? She is big into sacrificing babies. So yeah for her it was empowering.
As for this thread? Maybe Kasich will deliver by accident the knock-out blow to Cruz. Or drop the entire Columbia Music catalog on himself.
As for this thread? Maybe Kasich will deliver by accident the knock-out blow to Cruz. Or drop the entire Columbia Music catalog on himself.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 25, 2016 04:12 PM (5Innn)
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I won't believe this partnership until Kasich shells out $35 for his official Cruz deputy delegate card.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at April 25, 2016 04:12 PM (nFdGS)
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I have not seen my son in 2 years, and he is almost 4. I call every night but he now believes his mom and a friend are playing a prank. He lives right miles down the road.
Kidnapping, child abuse, and destruction of the nuclear family are legal and worth 50 billion a year as a nation industry. Other countries this is unrestricted warfare...
But a wall will safe us and banning dildos
Happy parential alienation awareness day. It's priorities as usual in America.
Kidnapping, child abuse, and destruction of the nuclear family are legal and worth 50 billion a year as a nation industry. Other countries this is unrestricted warfare...
But a wall will safe us and banning dildos
Happy parential alienation awareness day. It's priorities as usual in America.
Posted by: Man of the USA at April 25, 2016 04:12 PM (gYCKx)
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it's very clever. I'm sure he has new nicknames chosen by which he will defeat ISIS.
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There's Whitey, Popeye, Scarface, Shoeless Mo
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There's Whitey, Popeye, Scarface, Shoeless Mo
Posted by: Bigby's Praying Hands at April 25, 2016 04:12 PM (3ZtZW)
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Death throes from the Cruz and Kasich campaigns. Plays right into Trumps narrative of a rigged system. It's shocking they don't realize that.
Also, to the people reciting national polls showing Trump losing to Hillary - you do realize they haven't even started on each other yet and those numbers will shift dramatically,
I'm calling it now - landslide for Trump in the general. Feel free to mock me if I end up being wrong, but I really don't think I will be.
Also, to the people reciting national polls showing Trump losing to Hillary - you do realize they haven't even started on each other yet and those numbers will shift dramatically,
I'm calling it now - landslide for Trump in the general. Feel free to mock me if I end up being wrong, but I really don't think I will be.
Posted by: Community Organizer at April 25, 2016 04:12 PM (GN7Er)
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I wonder: Do these idiots understand that this is going to make some people want Trump ..... more?
Well, RNC orders are orders.
Well, RNC orders are orders.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at April 25, 2016 04:13 PM (rbPBV)
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21 Well another circular firing squad thread.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
I prefer to think of them as more like "circular suicide bombers" thread.
Every conservative in the vicinity dons a suicide bomb vest, then we all huddle together like in a rugby scrum, then everybody pulls their trigger-cords simultaneously, in an attempt to take out everyone else.
End result: On the date January 19, 2025, Hillary Clinton will STILL be president!
Think about it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
I prefer to think of them as more like "circular suicide bombers" thread.
Every conservative in the vicinity dons a suicide bomb vest, then we all huddle together like in a rugby scrum, then everybody pulls their trigger-cords simultaneously, in an attempt to take out everyone else.
End result: On the date January 19, 2025, Hillary Clinton will STILL be president!
Think about it.
Posted by: zombie at April 25, 2016 04:13 PM (jBuUi)
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I like Cruz, I really do. But I feel like he reads better than he sounds, if that makes any sense.
It's like reading the Hank Rearden speech in Atlas Shrugged, pumping your fist, and then watching the movie version to find that Gilbert Gottfried is playing the role.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at April 25, 2016 04:10 PM (Nj2wY)
Ok, I chuckled.
It's like reading the Hank Rearden speech in Atlas Shrugged, pumping your fist, and then watching the movie version to find that Gilbert Gottfried is playing the role.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at April 25, 2016 04:10 PM (Nj2wY)
Ok, I chuckled.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 04:13 PM (mBYZv)
Posted by: Bigby's Praying Hands at April 25, 2016 04:13 PM (3ZtZW)
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I hate the term Trumpkins....it's actually pretty juvenile. It's is not like he is a marginal candidate. He has 40+ % of the vote. And again for the record I support Cruz. But unlike many here, I recognize that for better or worst, Trump may be our Nominee and I will support our Nominee and hope all others will do. And I am looking beyond the primaries and trying not to say or do anything that will preclude what ever chance for victory we have in November.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:13 PM (V/InG)
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My theory, made by lighting red candles in an inverted foot shape with a glossy of Dick Morris clenched in my buttcheeks, is that it will be a Trump landslide!!
Halloween will be marked by an enormous quantity of Trump-o-lanterns, some sincere, some ironic. Yet this vast sea of Trump faces on doorsteps a week prior to the election will sway all the undecided voters and tip the scales in the favor of the Orange Ones favor!!!
Also, Hillary will shat herself in a campaign stop in October.
Halloween will be marked by an enormous quantity of Trump-o-lanterns, some sincere, some ironic. Yet this vast sea of Trump faces on doorsteps a week prior to the election will sway all the undecided voters and tip the scales in the favor of the Orange Ones favor!!!
Also, Hillary will shat herself in a campaign stop in October.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 25, 2016 04:14 PM (rnjkU)
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How is this supposed to decrease Trump's odds of getting to 1,237?
Posted by: zincfinger at April 25, 2016 04:14 PM (Bj229)
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I only like Trump because the country won't survive Hillary, and while it's true that Trump is (mostly) a NYC progressive, so was Giuliani and I would have voted for him and slept soundly at night if he was the president.
Count me in with those conservatives who are tired of "social issues" ripping the party apart and throwing the election to the Dems.
Look around--porn 24/7, legalized gambling all over the country--with weed next: The Left won the cultural war.
I don't like it, but there's no going back now and while I sympathize with the social conservatives--and agree with them mostly, it's time to keep your own house in order. Raise your children to be against abortion and to lead a morally exemplary life and to worship the Lord; you're not going to get mot of the country to go along.
Abortion is an abomination , but it will always be legal for the simple fact that even most of those against it want it kept legal as a "get out of jail" free card for their own daughters.
I said it.
Count me in with those conservatives who are tired of "social issues" ripping the party apart and throwing the election to the Dems.
Look around--porn 24/7, legalized gambling all over the country--with weed next: The Left won the cultural war.
I don't like it, but there's no going back now and while I sympathize with the social conservatives--and agree with them mostly, it's time to keep your own house in order. Raise your children to be against abortion and to lead a morally exemplary life and to worship the Lord; you're not going to get mot of the country to go along.
Abortion is an abomination , but it will always be legal for the simple fact that even most of those against it want it kept legal as a "get out of jail" free card for their own daughters.
I said it.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 25, 2016 04:14 PM (zBcW4)
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It's so unfair that there is more than one candidate in a primary election! Don't they know the tiara belongs to Trump?
Posted by: dabhidh at April 25, 2016 04:14 PM (O6j2k)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 25, 2016 04:14 PM (qCMvj)
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*8 miles* right down the road
Posted by: Man of the USA at April 25, 2016 04:14 PM (gYCKx)
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Weird, huh? Favorable is inversely correlated with Winning.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2016 04:12 PM (r1fLd)
But popularity contest!
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2016 04:12 PM (r1fLd)
But popularity contest!
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:14 PM (uURQL)
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"Much simpler to wait to pick up the shattered pieces for another run in 4 years 8 years.
Posted by: Jill
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Edited.
And that assumes that anything salvageable remains after 8 years, which I doubt.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 25, 2016 04:07 PM (9mTYi)"
Why 8 years? I'm assuming that if Cruz doesn't get the nomination, the Dems will open up their huge stockpile of opposition research to make Trump radioactive, he'll lose badly, and then we'll be looking to have another GOP primary competition in 4 years.
Frankly, if Trump were somehow to win, I suspect his deal-making with the Dems would tick off enough of his supporters that they might be willing to see him get a primary opponent in 4 years.
The last 7 years have been so awful for the nation and another 4 under Hillary so ghastly that we all have to try to avoid it. That's why I'll reluctantly vote for Trump if he's the nominee even though I'm totally convinced he'd lose in a landslide and take the Senate with him. It's really a vote for Scalia's Supreme Court seat.
Hopefully, Cruz will win the nomination and we'll get a better general election candidate.
Posted by: Jill
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Edited.
And that assumes that anything salvageable remains after 8 years, which I doubt.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 25, 2016 04:07 PM (9mTYi)"
Why 8 years? I'm assuming that if Cruz doesn't get the nomination, the Dems will open up their huge stockpile of opposition research to make Trump radioactive, he'll lose badly, and then we'll be looking to have another GOP primary competition in 4 years.
Frankly, if Trump were somehow to win, I suspect his deal-making with the Dems would tick off enough of his supporters that they might be willing to see him get a primary opponent in 4 years.
The last 7 years have been so awful for the nation and another 4 under Hillary so ghastly that we all have to try to avoid it. That's why I'll reluctantly vote for Trump if he's the nominee even though I'm totally convinced he'd lose in a landslide and take the Senate with him. It's really a vote for Scalia's Supreme Court seat.
Hopefully, Cruz will win the nomination and we'll get a better general election candidate.
Posted by: Jill v2 at April 25, 2016 04:15 PM (UYQcx)
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I said that I was going to be relentlessly optimistic until the election this year, but it's not easy. I don't know if I'm not already pining for my previous position of embracing the suck.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 25, 2016 04:15 PM (evdj2)
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111 I like Cruz, I really do. But I feel like he reads better than he sounds, if that makes any sense.
It's like reading the Hank Rearden speech in Atlas Shrugged, pumping your fist, and then watching the movie version to find that Gilbert Gottfried is playing the role.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at April 25, 2016 04:10 PM (Nj2wY)
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That's actually a great comparison.
It's like reading the Hank Rearden speech in Atlas Shrugged, pumping your fist, and then watching the movie version to find that Gilbert Gottfried is playing the role.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at April 25, 2016 04:10 PM (Nj2wY)
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That's actually a great comparison.
Posted by: Community Organizer at April 25, 2016 04:16 PM (GN7Er)
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How is this supposed to decrease Trump's odds of getting to 1,237?
Posted by: zincfinger at April 25, 2016 04:14 PM (Bj229)
When presidential candidates tell their voters to vote strategically, the voters will follow those orders like lemmings.
Cause #NeverTrump is the GOP hill to die on.
Burn, baby, burn.
Posted by: zincfinger at April 25, 2016 04:14 PM (Bj229)
When presidential candidates tell their voters to vote strategically, the voters will follow those orders like lemmings.
Cause #NeverTrump is the GOP hill to die on.
Burn, baby, burn.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:16 PM (uURQL)
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21 Well another circular firing squad thread.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 03:49 PM (V/InG)
True. In the meantime, the real enemy, TFG continues to fuck up the country and the rest of the world.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 03:49 PM (V/InG)
True. In the meantime, the real enemy, TFG continues to fuck up the country and the rest of the world.
Posted by: washrivergal at April 25, 2016 04:16 PM (CFc5L)
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Hillary can control herself in public. Case in point: Benghazi hearings.
Donald cannot and has no desire to. Case in point: Everyday.
Guess which cronyist liberal will most likely fare better in the general?
Donald cannot and has no desire to. Case in point: Everyday.
Guess which cronyist liberal will most likely fare better in the general?
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 04:16 PM (mBYZv)
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Over 100? Ah.
OT - Thus it begins:
Ghey wedding held in Methodist church.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/jdjfab6
The inevitable schism is on the horizon.
Meanwhile, the guy who 'married' them violated a sacred vow in doing so. A sacred vow from which he derived all of his authority and his entire career. For this corrupt act, he will be regarded as a 'principled, brave person', a 'hero', when in fact, he is a moral coward and liar who has betrayed those who have supported him his entire life.
OT - Thus it begins:
Ghey wedding held in Methodist church.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/jdjfab6
The inevitable schism is on the horizon.
Meanwhile, the guy who 'married' them violated a sacred vow in doing so. A sacred vow from which he derived all of his authority and his entire career. For this corrupt act, he will be regarded as a 'principled, brave person', a 'hero', when in fact, he is a moral coward and liar who has betrayed those who have supported him his entire life.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 25, 2016 04:16 PM (9mTYi)
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I'm calling it now - landslide for Trump in the general. Feel free to mock me if I end up being wrong, but I really don't think I will be.
Posted by: Community Organizer
I actually secretly agree with you.
The disgust with the system is so deep and so wide that Trump will win based on the "protest vote" theory:
Whereas in past elections people who were disgusted with the system would just stay home and throw empty beer cans at the TV, this year they'll go vote for Trump not because they necessarily like him, but as a big "Fuck You!" to the establishment in general. Combine the protest votes with the actual "I like Trump" votes, and you're over 50%.
Posted by: Community Organizer
I actually secretly agree with you.
The disgust with the system is so deep and so wide that Trump will win based on the "protest vote" theory:
Whereas in past elections people who were disgusted with the system would just stay home and throw empty beer cans at the TV, this year they'll go vote for Trump not because they necessarily like him, but as a big "Fuck You!" to the establishment in general. Combine the protest votes with the actual "I like Trump" votes, and you're over 50%.
Posted by: zombie at April 25, 2016 04:17 PM (jBuUi)
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Well with the goal of finding some utterly academic silver lining that is not material to the trajectory or end-state of the country, is there any satisfaction to be taken in the fact that two outsiders (taking the term broadly) are the two front-runners?
After a cycle that began with two particularly cartoonish "GOPe" examples of Wrong Person for the Job (Yeb! and Rubio)?
I did say "not material to the trajectory .... of the country". More like an interesting body twitch, a last gasp of desperate resistance by sane and aware citizens with some trace of an American mindset.
After a cycle that began with two particularly cartoonish "GOPe" examples of Wrong Person for the Job (Yeb! and Rubio)?
I did say "not material to the trajectory .... of the country". More like an interesting body twitch, a last gasp of desperate resistance by sane and aware citizens with some trace of an American mindset.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 25, 2016 04:17 PM (QDnY+)
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Then the Trumpheads all get cranky as if it's my fault he behaves this way
So, its all your doing eh?? I knew it!
I bet you were behind McDonald's going to cheaper buns, too...
So, its all your doing eh?? I knew it!
I bet you were behind McDonald's going to cheaper buns, too...
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 25, 2016 04:17 PM (39g3+)
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Trump will probably lose to Hillary. But I have a shadow of a hope that she and the media and Dems, panicked at the prospect that Trump might actually win, will overplay their hand and manage to turn Donald into a sympathetic figure.
Then all bets are off.
Then all bets are off.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 25, 2016 04:17 PM (zBcW4)
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Nevergiveup, far too many are well nigh prepared to stay abed on Election Day.
What is that old saw? - "To cut one's nose off to spite one's face."
And this time in 2008 Hillary! was trumpeted as the inevitable Second Coming, then Gaylord and his foam Greek columns showed up.
What is that old saw? - "To cut one's nose off to spite one's face."
And this time in 2008 Hillary! was trumpeted as the inevitable Second Coming, then Gaylord and his foam Greek columns showed up.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 25, 2016 04:18 PM (5Innn)
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Why 8 years? I'm assuming that if Cruz doesn't get the nomination, the Dems will open up their huge stockpile of opposition research to make Trump radioactive, he'll lose badly, and then we'll be looking to have another GOP primary competition in 4 years.
The oppo research that Cruz is immune to?
Good thing that nice Mormon Romney avoided being treated as an enemy to women and won in 2012.
Trump's just vulgar and picks fights with the media and wins. No way is he going to survive a media battle.
The oppo research that Cruz is immune to?
Good thing that nice Mormon Romney avoided being treated as an enemy to women and won in 2012.
Trump's just vulgar and picks fights with the media and wins. No way is he going to survive a media battle.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:18 PM (uURQL)
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This is just another sequel to Mean Girls.
Posted by: Roy at April 25, 2016 04:18 PM (VndSC)
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>>> Kasich isn't even in the Oregon Voters' Pamphlet.
Not showing great ground game here.
.Posted by: OregonGuy at April 25, 2016 04:11 PM (knKSN)
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He is running a fake campaign to get himself some other nice sweet guv job and bring in campaign donations. He is the liberal moderate Repub version of Christine O'Donnell. The MFM who wants another moderate loser and keeps propping him up and giving him attention is the only reason he still exists.
Not showing great ground game here.
.Posted by: OregonGuy at April 25, 2016 04:11 PM (knKSN)
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He is running a fake campaign to get himself some other nice sweet guv job and bring in campaign donations. He is the liberal moderate Repub version of Christine O'Donnell. The MFM who wants another moderate loser and keeps propping him up and giving him attention is the only reason he still exists.
Posted by: L, Elle at April 25, 2016 04:18 PM (2x3L+)
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>>Frankly, if Trump were somehow to win, I suspect his deal-making with the Dems would tick off enough of his supporters that they might be willing to see him get a primary opponent in 4 years.
Wouldn't bet on it. To a whole lot of his supporters, Mr. Trump doing it makes it right.
Wouldn't bet on it. To a whole lot of his supporters, Mr. Trump doing it makes it right.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 04:18 PM (mBYZv)
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Larry Elder: Cirque du Soleil cancels shows in N.Carolina over facilities law. Performs in Dubai, where homosexuality's illegal.
Larry Elder: Cirque du Soleil cancels shows in N.Carolina over facilities law. Performs in Dubai, where homosexuality's illegal.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 25, 2016 04:18 PM (iQIUe)
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>>>End result: On the date January 19, 2025, Hillary Clinton will STILL be president!<<<
Granny Clinton is also one blind, drunken, vodka martini binge away from the daisy garden.
Granny Clinton is also one blind, drunken, vodka martini binge away from the daisy garden.
Posted by: Fritz at April 25, 2016 04:19 PM (UzPAd)
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Nevergiveup, far too many are well nigh prepared to stay abed on Election Day.
What is that old saw? - "To cut one's nose off to spite one's face."
Yup, and I am not longer even trying to stay civil with them.
What is that old saw? - "To cut one's nose off to spite one's face."
Yup, and I am not longer even trying to stay civil with them.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:19 PM (V/InG)
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"I like Cruz, I really do. But I feel like he reads better than he sounds, if that makes any sense.
It's like reading the Hank Rearden speech in Atlas Shrugged, pumping your fist, and then watching the movie version to find that Gilbert Gottfried is playing the role.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at April 25, 2016 04:10 PM (Nj2wY)"
Vivid analogy! By the way, love your nickname. Great series of books!
I think Cruz comes across better in those Town Hall settings or in a more relaxed interview setting. He was great on that CNBC Squawk Box interview the other week. His formal speeches sound too canned to me, but that may be because I practically know his stump speech by heart.
It's like reading the Hank Rearden speech in Atlas Shrugged, pumping your fist, and then watching the movie version to find that Gilbert Gottfried is playing the role.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at April 25, 2016 04:10 PM (Nj2wY)"
Vivid analogy! By the way, love your nickname. Great series of books!
I think Cruz comes across better in those Town Hall settings or in a more relaxed interview setting. He was great on that CNBC Squawk Box interview the other week. His formal speeches sound too canned to me, but that may be because I practically know his stump speech by heart.
Posted by: Jill v2 at April 25, 2016 04:19 PM (UYQcx)
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Kayshit has come in dead last in just about every State and should have never entered the race. And if he had even one grain of honesty he would have dropped out long ago.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
Another bad actor that sickens me. He tries to come off as sincere caring but he is an egotistical buffoon that hasn't a chance in hell. Plus, he looks all sweaty and stuff
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
Another bad actor that sickens me. He tries to come off as sincere caring but he is an egotistical buffoon that hasn't a chance in hell. Plus, he looks all sweaty and stuff
Posted by: Cheri at April 25, 2016 04:20 PM (oiNtH)
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Meanwhile, the guy who 'married' them violated a sacred vow in doing so. A sacred vow from which he derived all of his authority and his entire career. For this corrupt act, he will be regarded as a 'principled, brave person', a 'hero', when in fact, he is a moral coward and liar who has betrayed those who have supported him his entire life.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 25, 2016 04:16 PM (9mTYi)
"Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets"
God have mercy and bring them to repentence.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 25, 2016 04:16 PM (9mTYi)
"Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets"
God have mercy and bring them to repentence.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:20 PM (uURQL)
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I've already resigned myself to Trump getting the nom and my not voting for him in the general. The rest I leave to God.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 04:21 PM (mBYZv)
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I only like Trump because the country won't survive Hillary
Understand the feeling, but ............ I think we will. The road back, however, will take decades.
Understand the feeling, but ............ I think we will. The road back, however, will take decades.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at April 25, 2016 04:21 PM (rbPBV)
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"...Dems will open up their huge stockpile of opposition research to make Trump radioactive..."
This is the only thing I'm not worried about.
Trump has lived in the fishbowl for decades. Anything he did would have been news even before he ran for president. If it's out there, it's already been discussed.
Also, if by some chance something else popped up, he's relatively bulletproof. Women? Everyone knows he likes women. Money? Hard to find an angle that hasn't be covered. Unless he's been a wrestling coach or priest, I'm pretty sure his past is OK.
This is the only thing I'm not worried about.
Trump has lived in the fishbowl for decades. Anything he did would have been news even before he ran for president. If it's out there, it's already been discussed.
Also, if by some chance something else popped up, he's relatively bulletproof. Women? Everyone knows he likes women. Money? Hard to find an angle that hasn't be covered. Unless he's been a wrestling coach or priest, I'm pretty sure his past is OK.
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2016 04:21 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: Unfettered Power at April 25, 2016 04:21 PM (mcm0N)
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Of course, this will show a 45 state landslide for Trump.
Will you change your tune then?
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2016 03:57 PM (Zs4uk)
haha. no idea why they call it a math-free magical cult. none at all.
Will you change your tune then?
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2016 03:57 PM (Zs4uk)
haha. no idea why they call it a math-free magical cult. none at all.
Posted by: T at April 25, 2016 04:21 PM (OJNE7)
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"I desperately want to see her in orange and totally disgraced. The odds aren't good on that but a girl can dream. At least with Sanders he is a goofy old doof that would be able to get little done and might be good for a few laughs.
Posted by: Cheri at April 25, 2016 04:09 PM (oiNtH)"
Yes....oooh...it would be so nice. While wearing one of those sets of leg-shackles that make the prisoner shuffle along. Stopping every so often for a coughing fit....
Posted by: Cheri at April 25, 2016 04:09 PM (oiNtH)"
Yes....oooh...it would be so nice. While wearing one of those sets of leg-shackles that make the prisoner shuffle along. Stopping every so often for a coughing fit....
Posted by: Jill v2 at April 25, 2016 04:22 PM (UYQcx)
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>>> Posted by: zombie at April 25, 2016 04:17 PM (jBuUi)
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I secretly agree with you too bc you're smart and know stuff.
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I secretly agree with you too bc you're smart and know stuff.
Posted by: L, Elle at April 25, 2016 04:22 PM (2x3L+)
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"Every conservative in the vicinity dons a suicide bomb vest, then we all huddle together like in a rugby scrum, then everybody pulls their trigger-cords simultaneously, in an attempt to take out everyone else."
Correction, Zombie: I sell the vests that other people use.
I've learned not to get emotionally involved in the fate of a political candidate since I cannot influence it (beyond one vote) and all it will bring me is disappointment and tears.
Correction, Zombie: I sell the vests that other people use.
I've learned not to get emotionally involved in the fate of a political candidate since I cannot influence it (beyond one vote) and all it will bring me is disappointment and tears.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Pox Vobiscum - Get Your Literate Latinate Curses from the Outrage Outlet! at April 25, 2016 04:22 PM (hLRSq)
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"Understand the feeling, but ............ I think we will. The road back, however, will take decades."
Not everyone has "decades" to wait. And look at the generations to follow....
You want to bet on them "taking the country back?"
Not everyone has "decades" to wait. And look at the generations to follow....
You want to bet on them "taking the country back?"
Posted by: JoeF. at April 25, 2016 04:22 PM (zBcW4)
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"The disgust with the system is so deep and so wide that Trump will win based on the "protest vote" theory:"
Turnout is key. If you drive up Hillary's negatives there are many who would never pull an R lever who will stay home, which is half-a-vote for Trump. This includes a lot of Bernie supporters.
"Hillary can control herself in public."
Not so sure about this.
Turnout is key. If you drive up Hillary's negatives there are many who would never pull an R lever who will stay home, which is half-a-vote for Trump. This includes a lot of Bernie supporters.
"Hillary can control herself in public."
Not so sure about this.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2016 04:22 PM (r1fLd)
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I actually secretly agree with you.
The disgust with the system is so deep and so wide that Trump will win based on the "protest vote" theory:
Whereas in past elections people who were disgusted with the system would just stay home and throw empty beer cans at the TV, this year they'll go vote for Trump not because they necessarily like him, but as a big "Fuck You!" to the establishment in general. Combine the protest votes with the actual "I like Trump" votes, and you're over 50%.
Posted by: zombie at April 25, 2016 04:17 PM (jBuUi)
Yes, I believe a large part of it will be the protest vote, but I think he will absolutely go scorched earth on Hillary. She might be the perfect candidate for Trump run against.
The disgust with the system is so deep and so wide that Trump will win based on the "protest vote" theory:
Whereas in past elections people who were disgusted with the system would just stay home and throw empty beer cans at the TV, this year they'll go vote for Trump not because they necessarily like him, but as a big "Fuck You!" to the establishment in general. Combine the protest votes with the actual "I like Trump" votes, and you're over 50%.
Posted by: zombie at April 25, 2016 04:17 PM (jBuUi)
Yes, I believe a large part of it will be the protest vote, but I think he will absolutely go scorched earth on Hillary. She might be the perfect candidate for Trump run against.
Posted by: Community Organizer at April 25, 2016 04:22 PM (GN7Er)
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Granny Clinton is also one blind, drunken, vodka martini binge away from the daisy garden.
Posted by: Fritz
I just hope that it isn't her "husband" Bill. He's not looking or acting good and Hillary would totally milk a State Funeral for all that it would be worth for that all important sympathy vote.
Posted by: Fritz
I just hope that it isn't her "husband" Bill. He's not looking or acting good and Hillary would totally milk a State Funeral for all that it would be worth for that all important sympathy vote.
Posted by: Cheri at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (oiNtH)
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I was puzzled how people could look past everything confirmed at the atime about Bill Clinton ( granted he never reached 50% of the vote) . I thought I was in an alternative universe when we elected Barack Hussein Obama , son and step son to Muslims , so soon after 9/11. I eventually reasoned it was because they both were on the Left and their voters and LIV are easily duped.
This primary has destroyed that reasoning. Back to the alternate universe scenario.
This primary has destroyed that reasoning. Back to the alternate universe scenario.
Posted by: Joe Hallenback at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (EWRow)
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@132
It's even simpler than that.
The SCOTUS in its RvW made abortion legal, also, they took on sole custodianship of the issue and effectively removed it from political and democratic consideration.
It would take an amendment to the constitution to change that fact, there simply aren't enough votes to get a constitutional amendment in congress and aren't enough states that would ratify such an amendment at this time and probably any time in the foreseeable future.
So at this time abortion is only an issue to stir up each parties bases nothing more and with the media and the culture as it is, the GOP alsways comes out on the losing end.
Look the GOP couldn't even successfully pass a born alive bill out of congress, two female GOP senators successful controversialized the bill so that it can probably never be taken up again.
The GOP is a fraudulent party and I see no need of feeling bad for trying something different out of desperation.
It's even simpler than that.
The SCOTUS in its RvW made abortion legal, also, they took on sole custodianship of the issue and effectively removed it from political and democratic consideration.
It would take an amendment to the constitution to change that fact, there simply aren't enough votes to get a constitutional amendment in congress and aren't enough states that would ratify such an amendment at this time and probably any time in the foreseeable future.
So at this time abortion is only an issue to stir up each parties bases nothing more and with the media and the culture as it is, the GOP alsways comes out on the losing end.
Look the GOP couldn't even successfully pass a born alive bill out of congress, two female GOP senators successful controversialized the bill so that it can probably never be taken up again.
The GOP is a fraudulent party and I see no need of feeling bad for trying something different out of desperation.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (OtqMl)
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Wouldn't bet on it. To a whole lot of his supporters, Mr. Trump doing it makes it right.
Posted by: chique d'afrique
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As has been pointed out, Teh Donald's fans perceive him to be whatever they want him to be. Truthfully, the same is true of Bernie and Hillary supporters. Facts, data, evidence seem to play no part in it.
Posted by: chique d'afrique
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As has been pointed out, Teh Donald's fans perceive him to be whatever they want him to be. Truthfully, the same is true of Bernie and Hillary supporters. Facts, data, evidence seem to play no part in it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (9mTYi)
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75 I keep waiting to see numbers from the primaries concerning how many Dems (in total) have turned out vs. how many Reps have turned out. I wouldn't draw any conclusion from those numbers, but it would be interesting.
Has anyone seen such a compilation?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM (9mTYi)
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8.7M more Reps than Dems so far.
Has anyone seen such a compilation?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM (9mTYi)
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8.7M more Reps than Dems so far.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (0LHZx)
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Nothing would surprise me in November should Trump win the nomination. Landslide win - sure. Landslide loss - of course. Barely squeaking by - could happen with a weak Hillary. Barely loosing - if only .... dropping out in mid-October - we told you he would disrupt the system.
Posted by: SH at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (gmeXX)
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Understand the feeling, but ............ I think we will. The road back, however, will take decades.
I don't know. We fought a great civil war to determine if one man could own another. We very well may have to fight another to determine if many people, acting politically, can own the others.
I don't know. We fought a great civil war to determine if one man could own another. We very well may have to fight another to determine if many people, acting politically, can own the others.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (evdj2)
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Wouldn't bet on it. To a whole lot of his supporters, Mr. Trump doing it makes it right.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 04:18 PM (mBYZv)
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Ya know, anything you want to say about Trump is fair game.
I have to wonder when Cruz supporters are going to realize that they need the Trump supporters votes should Cruz win the nom. Cuz getting continually crapped by Cruz kids on this cycle is no way to win hearts, minds and votes.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 04:18 PM (mBYZv)
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Ya know, anything you want to say about Trump is fair game.
I have to wonder when Cruz supporters are going to realize that they need the Trump supporters votes should Cruz win the nom. Cuz getting continually crapped by Cruz kids on this cycle is no way to win hearts, minds and votes.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (YLidQ)
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Donald "Superfly" Trump vs Hillary "Iron Depends" Clinton
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 25, 2016 04:24 PM (JO9+V)
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"I only like Trump because the country won't survive Hillary "
Ya know, even he Trump was to win, I'm not really all that sure he'd serve a full term. He'd prolly pull a Palin the first time he gets stressed out making a life or death call...
Ya know, even he Trump was to win, I'm not really all that sure he'd serve a full term. He'd prolly pull a Palin the first time he gets stressed out making a life or death call...
Posted by: Phil at April 25, 2016 04:24 PM (PTq8m)
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I meant 1M more Reps than Dems. Reps are up 8.7M since last time.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 25, 2016 04:24 PM (0LHZx)
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Perhaps we should pray for Bill Clinton's health so that he might finally see the error of his ways and repent.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 25, 2016 04:24 PM (5Innn)
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Just so y'all know -- Kasich has already said that he doesn't see why folks in Indiana CAN'T still vote for him. He's having his Walter Mitty fantasy, folks. Wish he would get the hell out of the race.
Posted by: Beverly at April 25, 2016 04:25 PM (ZrEnz)
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This entire election was shaped by Rush Limbaugh way way back in 1992 and '93.
For it was back then when Limbaugh hit his high-point of influence, when he devoted his entire existence to destroying the public's image of Hillary Clinton. His one-man crusade to ruin her reputation was so successful and so thorough that she remains hated today by most Americans -- not because of recent scandals, but because way in the back of everyone's mind is the mantra that Hillary is a "feminazi" and a rapist-enabling power-hungry bitch.
Rush enabled Trump's rise 24 years ahead of time.
For it was back then when Limbaugh hit his high-point of influence, when he devoted his entire existence to destroying the public's image of Hillary Clinton. His one-man crusade to ruin her reputation was so successful and so thorough that she remains hated today by most Americans -- not because of recent scandals, but because way in the back of everyone's mind is the mantra that Hillary is a "feminazi" and a rapist-enabling power-hungry bitch.
Rush enabled Trump's rise 24 years ahead of time.
Posted by: zombie at April 25, 2016 04:25 PM (jBuUi)
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8.7M more Reps than Dems so far.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo
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Hmm. Well that is a positive sign, perhaps.
Have a link, by chance?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo
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Hmm. Well that is a positive sign, perhaps.
Have a link, by chance?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 25, 2016 04:25 PM (9mTYi)
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I don't know. We fought a great civil war to determine if one man could own another. We very well may have to fight another to determine if many people, acting politically, can own the others.
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First we have to fight one to see if one man can actually pee sitting down while surrounded by other women.
I don't know. We fought a great civil war to determine if one man could own another. We very well may have to fight another to determine if many people, acting politically, can own the others.
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First we have to fight one to see if one man can actually pee sitting down while surrounded by other women.
Posted by: ajmojo at April 25, 2016 04:25 PM (1H9ox)
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>>What is that old saw? - "To cut one's nose off to spite one's face."
Or, voting for Trump is like swallowing a live grenade to spite your bad haircut.
YMMV.
However, I'm not going to judge any conservative that holds his nose to vote for Trump against Hillary (like me until last week) or refuses to vote for the odious man (like me now).
Or, voting for Trump is like swallowing a live grenade to spite your bad haircut.
YMMV.
However, I'm not going to judge any conservative that holds his nose to vote for Trump against Hillary (like me until last week) or refuses to vote for the odious man (like me now).
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 04:25 PM (mBYZv)
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I have to wonder when Cruz supporters are going to realize that they need the Trump supporters votes should Cruz win the nom. Cuz getting continually crapped by Cruz kids on this cycle is no way to win hearts, minds and votes.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (YLidQ)
I am a Cruz supporter and I have been very dissapointed with Cruz's responce to Trump. He would have been better served to ignore Trump - ignoring Trump drives him crazy-- and concentrating on the issues.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (YLidQ)
I am a Cruz supporter and I have been very dissapointed with Cruz's responce to Trump. He would have been better served to ignore Trump - ignoring Trump drives him crazy-- and concentrating on the issues.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:25 PM (V/InG)
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43 you know, I never have to say much in Trump post-- I just say what he actually said, with light snark.
Then the Trumpheads all get cranky as if it's my fault he behaves this way -- or that my mission here is to sanitize the news for Trump people, do some creative censorship for the cause. (A cause Trump can't quite announce, but which seems to involve a wall and Mexicans.)
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I will no longer disagree with you then....
Then the Trumpheads all get cranky as if it's my fault he behaves this way -- or that my mission here is to sanitize the news for Trump people, do some creative censorship for the cause. (A cause Trump can't quite announce, but which seems to involve a wall and Mexicans.)
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I will no longer disagree with you then....
Posted by: Bob at April 25, 2016 04:25 PM (BEcOt)
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147 Trump will probably lose to Hillary. But I have a shadow of a hope that she and the media and Dems, panicked at the prospect that Trump might actually win, will overplay their hand and manage to turn Donald into a sympathetic figure.
Then all bets are off.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 25, 2016 04:17 PM (zBcW4)
His unfavorables are being overblown. Watch what happens when Grampa Socialist is kicked to the curb for the most disgusting piece of shit this country has ever known.
They're going to vote Trump, in rather large numbers. The Bernouts despise that waste of flesh with a flaming passion.
Then all bets are off.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 25, 2016 04:17 PM (zBcW4)
His unfavorables are being overblown. Watch what happens when Grampa Socialist is kicked to the curb for the most disgusting piece of shit this country has ever known.
They're going to vote Trump, in rather large numbers. The Bernouts despise that waste of flesh with a flaming passion.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at April 25, 2016 04:25 PM (rbPBV)
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As has been pointed out, Teh Donald's fans perceive him to be whatever they want him to be. Truthfully, the same is true of Bernie and Hillary supporters. Facts, data, evidence seem to play no part in it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (9mTYi)
The Climate Change Candidates!
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (9mTYi)
The Climate Change Candidates!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 25, 2016 04:26 PM (qCMvj)
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99 I honestly wish the quotes by Trump were considered "Presidential". Since they are directed at those who oppose him yet are still wholly truthful.
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He lies every damn day about Cruz, smearing him for being both competent and hardworking. His whining about the 200 year old system he didn't bother to learn about is aimed at the low infos, and to my disgust, it's working.
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He lies every damn day about Cruz, smearing him for being both competent and hardworking. His whining about the 200 year old system he didn't bother to learn about is aimed at the low infos, and to my disgust, it's working.
Posted by: stace at April 25, 2016 04:26 PM (ozZau)
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i'm not impressed with cruz teaming up with kasich...... every day cruz does something to make me like him less.....wtf is wrong with him?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 25, 2016 04:26 PM (0O7c5)
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Rush enabled Trump's rise 24 years ahead of time.
Posted by: zombie at April 25, 2016 04:25 PM (jBuUi)
He's also done a lot in the past several months.
Posted by: zombie at April 25, 2016 04:25 PM (jBuUi)
He's also done a lot in the past several months.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 04:26 PM (mBYZv)
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For it was back then when Limbaugh hit his high-point of influence, when he devoted his entire existence to destroying the public's image of Hillary Clinton.
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I'm pretty sure she would've got around to being hated even without Rush's help. It may have taken a couple weeks longer, but she would have made it.
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I'm pretty sure she would've got around to being hated even without Rush's help. It may have taken a couple weeks longer, but she would have made it.
Posted by: ajmojo at April 25, 2016 04:27 PM (1H9ox)
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I have to wonder when Cruz supporters are going to realize that they need the Trump supporters votes should Cruz win the nom. Cuz getting continually crapped by Cruz kids on this cycle is no way to win hearts, minds and votes.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (YLidQ)
They don't want us.
And that is the way of the conservative - kicking out people who aren't respectable enough according to Leftist tastes.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (YLidQ)
They don't want us.
And that is the way of the conservative - kicking out people who aren't respectable enough according to Leftist tastes.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:27 PM (uURQL)
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If Kacish wanted to "team up" to stop the Trumpeter Swan, he would drop out.
Having his and Donnies campaigns run by business partners points more to a team up against Cruz.
Having his and Donnies campaigns run by business partners points more to a team up against Cruz.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 04:27 PM (aRUb8)
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171 I was puzzled how people could look past everything confirmed at the atime about Bill Clinton ( granted he never reached 50% of the vote) . I thought I was in an alternative universe when we elected Barack Hussein Obama , son and step son to Muslims , so soon after 9/11. I eventually reasoned it was because they both were on the Left and their voters and LIV are easily duped.
This primary has destroyed that reasoning. Back to the alternate universe scenario.
Posted by: Joe Hallenback at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (EWRow)
Just doing our job, ...under orders.
This primary has destroyed that reasoning. Back to the alternate universe scenario.
Posted by: Joe Hallenback at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (EWRow)
Just doing our job, ...under orders.
Posted by: MarxistMedia LLC at April 25, 2016 04:28 PM (rbPBV)
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However, I'm not going to judge any conservative that holds his nose to vote for Trump against Hillary (like me until last week) or refuses to vote for the odious man (like me now).
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 04:25 PM (mBYZv)
I AM. THAT is helping to put a dem and if hillary a rotten lying scumbag in the White House and THAT I can not forgive.
This is the real worl, and actions have consequences. It is not some debating society
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 04:25 PM (mBYZv)
I AM. THAT is helping to put a dem and if hillary a rotten lying scumbag in the White House and THAT I can not forgive.
This is the real worl, and actions have consequences. It is not some debating society
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:28 PM (V/InG)
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>>Rush enabled Trump's rise 24 years ahead of time.
Trump, on the other hand, managed to achieve worse favorability numbers all on his own.
Trump, on the other hand, managed to achieve worse favorability numbers all on his own.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2016 04:28 PM (/tuJf)
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179. The key--should Trump somehow become president---is to look at who will serve in his cabinet. When it comes to delegating responsibility , Donald will make Ronald look like a workaholic.
And I'm not dissing Reagan or comparing Trump to him.
And I'm not dissing Reagan or comparing Trump to him.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 25, 2016 04:28 PM (zBcW4)
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Random thing that I will now post. The Netflix show "The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt", despite being a Tina Fey project, is actually watchable and funny.
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (2cS/G)
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I am a Cruz supporter and I have been very dissapointed with Cruz's responce to Trump. He would have been better served to ignore Trump - ignoring Trump drives him crazy-- and concentrating on the issues.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:25 PM (V/InG)
Cruz is stuck playing three-dimensional chess with the party that hates him (and keeping in Kasich as a spoiler), Trump, and the Democrats.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:25 PM (V/InG)
Cruz is stuck playing three-dimensional chess with the party that hates him (and keeping in Kasich as a spoiler), Trump, and the Democrats.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (qCMvj)
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Golden 112- "GOP power brokers and insiders versus Trump"? Are you kidding? Christie endorsed him, Manafort is running the campaign. You can't get more establishment then that. In terms ms of conservatism , look at who Donnie has given money to for the last 20 years and then tell me with a straight face he's a real conservative
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (a9zui)
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Trump is Real Daddy for the alt-right.
Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (Kucy5)
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (5Innn)
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Ace sounds like a Rockefeller Republican. Cruz and Kascich
only deal from the bottom of the deck.
only deal from the bottom of the deck.
Posted by: gene at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (6hqWG)
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I can't stand references Trump with "The" followed by his first name. I'm sure that he loves it. I prefer "El Trumpo"
Posted by: Jason L at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (8NXPJ)
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165 >>> Posted by: zombie at April 25, 2016 04:17 PM (jBuUi)
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I secretly agree with you too bc you're smart and know stuff.
Posted by: L, Elle
Wait wait wait -- I don't know anything more than you do! We all access the same internet. It's too much pressure on me to be perceived as an "influencer." I can't handle it! [Curls into fetal position and whimpers.]
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I secretly agree with you too bc you're smart and know stuff.
Posted by: L, Elle
Wait wait wait -- I don't know anything more than you do! We all access the same internet. It's too much pressure on me to be perceived as an "influencer." I can't handle it! [Curls into fetal position and whimpers.]
Posted by: zombie at April 25, 2016 04:30 PM (jBuUi)
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They don't want us.
And that is the way of the conservative - kicking out people who aren't respectable enough according to Leftist tastes.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:27 PM (uURQL)
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It would seem to be so. That winning with 30% of the vote does not seem to be a wise strategery, but what the hell, they'll feel all fucking "pure" while watching the cleansing National fires.
And that is the way of the conservative - kicking out people who aren't respectable enough according to Leftist tastes.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:27 PM (uURQL)
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It would seem to be so. That winning with 30% of the vote does not seem to be a wise strategery, but what the hell, they'll feel all fucking "pure" while watching the cleansing National fires.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 25, 2016 04:30 PM (YLidQ)
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Deepest Bench Ever! or something.
sigh, trump v. hillary with the corrupt career criminal probably winning.
what a country. sad to say, but at this point I would take Christie and his smelly bacon donut hug.
Deepest Bench Ever! or something.
sigh, trump v. hillary with the corrupt career criminal probably winning.
what a country. sad to say, but at this point I would take Christie and his smelly bacon donut hug.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 25, 2016 04:30 PM (ODxAs)
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Trump is Real Daddy for the alt-right.
Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (Kucy5)
???
What did chemjeff change his nic?
Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (Kucy5)
???
What did chemjeff change his nic?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:30 PM (V/InG)
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\o/ anna!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 25, 2016 04:30 PM (0O7c5)
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When presidential candidates tell their voters to vote strategically, the voters will follow those orders like lemmings.
Cause #NeverTrump is the GOP hill to die on.
Burn, baby, burn.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:16 PM (uURQL)
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I forgot Indiana is winner-take-all (for 30 of the 57 delegates). Because otherwise this could only hurt the anyone-but-Trump effort.
Cause #NeverTrump is the GOP hill to die on.
Burn, baby, burn.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:16 PM (uURQL)
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I forgot Indiana is winner-take-all (for 30 of the 57 delegates). Because otherwise this could only hurt the anyone-but-Trump effort.
Posted by: zincfinger at April 25, 2016 04:31 PM (Bj229)
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187 I have to wonder when Cruz supporters are going to realize that they need the Trump supporters votes should Cruz win the nom. Cuz getting continually crapped by Cruz kids on this cycle is no way to win hearts, minds and votes.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (YLidQ)
Absolutely. No way to win, otherwise.
I am a Cruz supporter and I have been very dissapointed with Cruz's responce to Trump. He would have been better served to ignore Trump - ignoring Trump drives him crazy-- and concentrating on the issues.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:25 PM (V/InG)
Sadly, it's almost childish.
OK, strike the almost.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (YLidQ)
Absolutely. No way to win, otherwise.
I am a Cruz supporter and I have been very dissapointed with Cruz's responce to Trump. He would have been better served to ignore Trump - ignoring Trump drives him crazy-- and concentrating on the issues.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:25 PM (V/InG)
Sadly, it's almost childish.
OK, strike the almost.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at April 25, 2016 04:31 PM (rbPBV)
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Cruz can't even get the majority of R votes in the primary. How could he possibly win the general unless he thinks they'll indict and he wins by default. These super packs are blwing smoke up people's asses to keep that gravy train going. My guess is they are the most scared in this election.
Posted by: ryukyu at April 25, 2016 04:31 PM (FuBZa)
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In terms ms of conservatism , look at who Donnie has given money to for the last 20 years and then tell me with a straight face he's a real conservative
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (a9zui)
If Donald were a real conservative, he'd be losing.
Conservatism conserves nothing except Leftist progress. It's a failed ideology.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (a9zui)
If Donald were a real conservative, he'd be losing.
Conservatism conserves nothing except Leftist progress. It's a failed ideology.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:32 PM (uURQL)
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i'm not impressed with cruz teaming up with kasich...... every day cruz does something to make me like him less.....wtf is wrong with him?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 25, 2016 04:26 PM (0O7c5)
He is a politician trying to win the nomination. That's what.
I don't live it, but I don't care either.
They all want to win.
Cruz has accepted help from Neil.Bush, I believe.
Noted RINO Chris Christie endorsed Trump. Trump has hired a whole slew of lobbyists and establishment types to help him win. Trump's guy Manafort went to try to sweet talk the RNC.
Because the two men want to win.
It's politics.
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 25, 2016 04:26 PM (0O7c5)
He is a politician trying to win the nomination. That's what.
I don't live it, but I don't care either.
They all want to win.
Cruz has accepted help from Neil.Bush, I believe.
Noted RINO Chris Christie endorsed Trump. Trump has hired a whole slew of lobbyists and establishment types to help him win. Trump's guy Manafort went to try to sweet talk the RNC.
Because the two men want to win.
It's politics.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 04:32 PM (mBYZv)
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@210
It was the deepest bench ever except Trump sprinted to the
right of everyone and the field couldn't figure out how to triangulate it successfully and the rest is history.
It was the deepest bench ever except Trump sprinted to the
right of everyone and the field couldn't figure out how to triangulate it successfully and the rest is history.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 25, 2016 04:32 PM (OtqMl)
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211 Trump is Real Daddy for the alt-right.
Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (Kucy5)
Da fuq?
Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (Kucy5)
Da fuq?
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at April 25, 2016 04:32 PM (rbPBV)
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Which is the thread for woman-beating, slimy underhanded deals, treachery, and amoral weasels willing to do anything no matter how absurd to get ahead?
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 25, 2016 04:32 PM (sxsHo)
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I AM. THAT is helping to put a dem and if hillary a rotten lying scumbag in the White House and THAT I can not forgive.
This is the real worl, and actions have consequences. It is not some debating society
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Once again, that assumes that Trump holds different views than Hillary. I do not think he does. I am not voting for a pro-government, liberal progressive - whether he has a R after his name or not. You are free to hold that against me should Hillary win - but I am not going to take any part in trying to get Trump elected. Should Trump act like a conservative as President (should he win) - I will fully admit I was wrong.
What really surprises me is that we finally have an opportunity to get as close to a true conservative the nomination as we have in a very long time against a very weak opponent - and we are casting it aside for a liberal pro-government progressive. It really is crazy to me.
This is the real worl, and actions have consequences. It is not some debating society
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Once again, that assumes that Trump holds different views than Hillary. I do not think he does. I am not voting for a pro-government, liberal progressive - whether he has a R after his name or not. You are free to hold that against me should Hillary win - but I am not going to take any part in trying to get Trump elected. Should Trump act like a conservative as President (should he win) - I will fully admit I was wrong.
What really surprises me is that we finally have an opportunity to get as close to a true conservative the nomination as we have in a very long time against a very weak opponent - and we are casting it aside for a liberal pro-government progressive. It really is crazy to me.
Posted by: SH at April 25, 2016 04:33 PM (gmeXX)
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I am a Cruz supporter and I have been very dissapointed with Cruz's responce to Trump. He would have been better served to ignore Trump - ignoring Trump drives him crazy-- and concentrating on the issues.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Amen.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Amen.
Posted by: Cheri at April 25, 2016 04:33 PM (oiNtH)
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Promises, promises....
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 25, 2016 04:33 PM (Ft3+l)
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Trump may be able to change the dynamics of elections...
As long as he doesn't listen to the "be presidential" voices, he can really turn things around.
He needs to go after the black vote.
Pound on how screwed the black population has been while they've been voting democrat. "How's that working out for YOU!" "How does bringing in 15 million illegals help you as a black person looking for work?" "You've been voting democrat for 60 years and the black population is worse off today"
Don't pander, attack.
Shame the rich liberals. Attack them for voting democrat while they support the teachers and only one out of five black kids in the inner city can read and write. "How do you sleep at night?" "How can you live with yourselves knowing it was your democrat vote that kept the changes from being made to educate these kids?"
Don't back down. Attack.
Have the pajama boy crowd considering suicide for what they've done. Make them cry themselves to sleep every night before the election.
As long as he doesn't listen to the "be presidential" voices, he can really turn things around.
He needs to go after the black vote.
Pound on how screwed the black population has been while they've been voting democrat. "How's that working out for YOU!" "How does bringing in 15 million illegals help you as a black person looking for work?" "You've been voting democrat for 60 years and the black population is worse off today"
Don't pander, attack.
Shame the rich liberals. Attack them for voting democrat while they support the teachers and only one out of five black kids in the inner city can read and write. "How do you sleep at night?" "How can you live with yourselves knowing it was your democrat vote that kept the changes from being made to educate these kids?"
Don't back down. Attack.
Have the pajama boy crowd considering suicide for what they've done. Make them cry themselves to sleep every night before the election.
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2016 04:33 PM (Zs4uk)
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Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 25, 2016 04:33 PM (iQIUe)
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"Death throes from the Cruz and Kasich campaigns. Plays right into Trumps narrative of a rigged system. It's shocking they don't realize that.
Also, to the people reciting national polls showing Trump losing to Hillary - you do realize they haven't even started on each other yet and those numbers will shift dramatically,
I'm calling it now - landslide for Trump in the general. Feel free to mock me if I end up being wrong, but I really don't think I will be.
Posted by: Community Organizer at April 25, 2016 04:12 PM (GN7Er)"
It's a risky move, but not necessarily death throes. Personally, I think Cruz had a good chance to win IN even dragging Kasich's zombie carcass. Now, perhaps he has a better chance. Remember, Trump's path to the nomination is very, very narrow and he now realizes if it goes to a 2nd ballot he's toast. He can undoubtedly sweet-talk some unbound delegates into backing him, but these are mostly people he's been attacking as sell-out losers.
People are reacting to general election polls that show Trump has historically high negative ratings. Those are very hard to change, and so far he's not shown much talent at improving them. Hillary is also very unpopular and an eminently beatable candidate with the right nominee.
If Trump becomes the nominee he's going to have to engage in a slugfest to paint her as far more horrible than him. He can't win people over to him, he's just going to have to hope he can make her more hated and depress the turnout enough that he gets 270 electoral votes with his 30-40% of GOP supporters, a chunk of "hold-their-nose" voters like me, and some disaffected dems.
Polls may shift around some, but he's starting out in a huge hole and at nearly 100% name ID, he won't be able to make a new first impression.
I don't want to mock you. You're obviously very impressed by Trump and have great confidence in him. If he gets the nomination, I'll hope that you're right and that he doesn't wind up selling us all out to make deals with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.
Also, to the people reciting national polls showing Trump losing to Hillary - you do realize they haven't even started on each other yet and those numbers will shift dramatically,
I'm calling it now - landslide for Trump in the general. Feel free to mock me if I end up being wrong, but I really don't think I will be.
Posted by: Community Organizer at April 25, 2016 04:12 PM (GN7Er)"
It's a risky move, but not necessarily death throes. Personally, I think Cruz had a good chance to win IN even dragging Kasich's zombie carcass. Now, perhaps he has a better chance. Remember, Trump's path to the nomination is very, very narrow and he now realizes if it goes to a 2nd ballot he's toast. He can undoubtedly sweet-talk some unbound delegates into backing him, but these are mostly people he's been attacking as sell-out losers.
People are reacting to general election polls that show Trump has historically high negative ratings. Those are very hard to change, and so far he's not shown much talent at improving them. Hillary is also very unpopular and an eminently beatable candidate with the right nominee.
If Trump becomes the nominee he's going to have to engage in a slugfest to paint her as far more horrible than him. He can't win people over to him, he's just going to have to hope he can make her more hated and depress the turnout enough that he gets 270 electoral votes with his 30-40% of GOP supporters, a chunk of "hold-their-nose" voters like me, and some disaffected dems.
Polls may shift around some, but he's starting out in a huge hole and at nearly 100% name ID, he won't be able to make a new first impression.
I don't want to mock you. You're obviously very impressed by Trump and have great confidence in him. If he gets the nomination, I'll hope that you're right and that he doesn't wind up selling us all out to make deals with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.
Posted by: Jill v2 at April 25, 2016 04:33 PM (UYQcx)
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"It's really a vote for Scalia's Supreme Court seat."
So on the Republican side, the three remaining contenders are:
(a) Donald Trump, who cited as an example of a hypothetically "phenomenal" SCOTUS choice, his own sister -- the federal jurist and ardent partial-birth-abortion defender.
(b) Ted Cruz, who swore that John "It's A Tax!" Roberts would be a champion of constitutional conservatism and a perfect fit as Chief Justice.
(c) John Kasich, who said that Obama's selection of "moderate" career liberal Democratic rubber-stamp Merrick Garland was just fine, and should proceed, and that he himself would contemplate nominating Garland to the Court.
I guess I picked the wrong week to quit shooting heroin into my eyeballs.
So on the Republican side, the three remaining contenders are:
(a) Donald Trump, who cited as an example of a hypothetically "phenomenal" SCOTUS choice, his own sister -- the federal jurist and ardent partial-birth-abortion defender.
(b) Ted Cruz, who swore that John "It's A Tax!" Roberts would be a champion of constitutional conservatism and a perfect fit as Chief Justice.
(c) John Kasich, who said that Obama's selection of "moderate" career liberal Democratic rubber-stamp Merrick Garland was just fine, and should proceed, and that he himself would contemplate nominating Garland to the Court.
I guess I picked the wrong week to quit shooting heroin into my eyeballs.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 25, 2016 04:33 PM (noWW6)
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Hillary vs Trump?
Benghazi.
Who will better protect the US from terrorists?
The woman who openly enabled our enemies to read our most closely-held secrets on an e-mail server in her bathroom closet?
The MSM can put the story in page A-14 during the primary season, but the Trump blast during the general will be a political bombardment for the record books.
Benghazi.
Who will better protect the US from terrorists?
The woman who openly enabled our enemies to read our most closely-held secrets on an e-mail server in her bathroom closet?
The MSM can put the story in page A-14 during the primary season, but the Trump blast during the general will be a political bombardment for the record books.
Posted by: mrp at April 25, 2016 04:33 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 25, 2016 04:33 PM (qCMvj)
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It matters not! Your planet is doomed! DOOMED! To Go Forward, not Backward, Upward, Not Forward, and twirling, Twirling, Always TWIRLING towards FREEDOM!
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at April 25, 2016 04:33 PM (kCfMX)
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It would seem to be so. That winning with 30% of the vote does not seem to be a wise strategery, but what the hell, they'll feel all fucking "pure" while watching the cleansing National fires.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 25, 2016 04:30 PM (YLidQ)
The top of the conservative ticket has a nice gig being the token opposition to the Leftist agenda. Make some noise, raise funds, make more noise ... and when the Leftists win, that's just more opportunity for noise and fundraising.
Why solve the problem when you can milk it?
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 25, 2016 04:30 PM (YLidQ)
The top of the conservative ticket has a nice gig being the token opposition to the Leftist agenda. Make some noise, raise funds, make more noise ... and when the Leftists win, that's just more opportunity for noise and fundraising.
Why solve the problem when you can milk it?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:34 PM (uURQL)
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"a crusty, senile old socialist who believes that whites owe reparations and gender is a construct,"
FWIW, Sanders doesn't believe either of those things. He's got plenty of bad ideas, not those though
FWIW, Sanders doesn't believe either of those things. He's got plenty of bad ideas, not those though
Posted by: Knemon at April 25, 2016 04:34 PM (OSAJi)
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>>I am a Cruz supporter and I have been very dissapointed with Cruz's responce to Trump. He would have been better served to ignore Trump - ignoring Trump drives him crazy-- and concentrating on the issues.
This is starting to sound like Concerned Christian stuff from Cruz supporters. Why does Trump have a different bar? He is a 24x7 insult machine, he whines whenever he doesn't get his way and he flip flops more than any politician, and thats what he is now, I have ever seen but if Cruz responds then you are disappointed? How about being disappointed in Trump?
This is starting to sound like Concerned Christian stuff from Cruz supporters. Why does Trump have a different bar? He is a 24x7 insult machine, he whines whenever he doesn't get his way and he flip flops more than any politician, and thats what he is now, I have ever seen but if Cruz responds then you are disappointed? How about being disappointed in Trump?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2016 04:34 PM (/tuJf)
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@216
Even simpler, what exactly has "conservatism" accomplished in the last 30 years?
Absolutely nothing as far as I can tell.
Even simpler, what exactly has "conservatism" accomplished in the last 30 years?
Absolutely nothing as far as I can tell.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 25, 2016 04:34 PM (OtqMl)
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Trumpaggedon is currently infest West Chester PA and it is YUGE (sadly). Will report with details when the misses returns if she doesn't get arrested
Posted by: Drill Thrawl at April 25, 2016 04:34 PM (7XUDp)
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Trump is Real Daddy for the alt-right.
Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (Kucy5)
???
What did chemjeff change his nic?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:30 PM (V/InG)
Richard has been here forever--he's right, and those alt-right people are creepy as all getout.
Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (Kucy5)
???
What did chemjeff change his nic?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:30 PM (V/InG)
Richard has been here forever--he's right, and those alt-right people are creepy as all getout.
Posted by: stace at April 25, 2016 04:35 PM (ozZau)
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In terms ms of conservatism , look at who Donnie has given money to for the last 20 years and then tell me with a straight face he's a real conservative
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (a9zui)
If Donald were a real conservative, he'd be losing.
Conservatism conserves nothing except Leftist progress. It's a failed ideology.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:32 PM (uURQL)
So Trump's liberalism/statism is what's needed.
Got it.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (a9zui)
If Donald were a real conservative, he'd be losing.
Conservatism conserves nothing except Leftist progress. It's a failed ideology.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:32 PM (uURQL)
So Trump's liberalism/statism is what's needed.
Got it.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 04:35 PM (mBYZv)
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Trump Is Probably Going To Run Over Cruz And Kasich In The Northeast
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/whats-at-stake-for-republicans-in-the-northeast-primaries/
Trump Is Probably Going To Run Over Cruz And Kasich In The Northeast
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/whats-at-stake-for-republicans-in-the-northeast-primaries/
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 25, 2016 04:35 PM (qCMvj)
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Once again, that assumes that Trump holds different views than Hillary. I do not think he does.
Posted by: SH at April 25, 2016 04:33 PM (gmeXX)
Yeah well, I am not sure what trumps real views are on anything, but that statement seems to indicate a basic misusnderstanding about how far to the far left hillary is and if talking about liars, well they all have to stand in line behind fat ass.
Posted by: SH at April 25, 2016 04:33 PM (gmeXX)
Yeah well, I am not sure what trumps real views are on anything, but that statement seems to indicate a basic misusnderstanding about how far to the far left hillary is and if talking about liars, well they all have to stand in line behind fat ass.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:35 PM (V/InG)
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>>Granny Clinton is also one blind, drunken, vodka martini binge away from the daisy garden.
Posted by: Fritz
I think you mean Rose Garden.
*cackle*
Posted by: Fritz
I think you mean Rose Garden.
*cackle*
Posted by: Hillary at April 25, 2016 04:36 PM (c7vUv)
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Pretty sweet post.
Be even better with the latest poll charts showing Cruz and Kasich winning it yuuuuge with voters.
Be even better with the latest poll charts showing Cruz and Kasich winning it yuuuuge with voters.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 25, 2016 04:36 PM (T78UI)
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234 @216
Even simpler, what exactly has "conservatism" accomplished in the last 30 years?
Absolutely nothing as far as I can tell.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 25, 2016 04:34 PM (OtqMl)
Au contrere mon frere. The have proved they can get things done in a bi-partisan manner. (Spit)
Even simpler, what exactly has "conservatism" accomplished in the last 30 years?
Absolutely nothing as far as I can tell.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 25, 2016 04:34 PM (OtqMl)
Au contrere mon frere. The have proved they can get things done in a bi-partisan manner. (Spit)
Posted by: Drill Thrawl at April 25, 2016 04:36 PM (7XUDp)
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As long as he doesn't listen to the "be presidential" voices, he can really turn things around.
He needs to go after the black vote.
Pound on how screwed the black population has been while they've been voting democrat. "How's that working out for YOU!" "How does bringing in 15 million illegals help you as a black person looking for work?" "You've been voting democrat for 60 years and the black population is worse off today"
Don't pander, attack.
Shame the rich liberals. Attack them for voting democrat while they support the teachers and only one out of five black kids in the inner city can read and write. "How do you sleep at night?" "How can you live with yourselves knowing it was your democrat vote that kept the changes from being made to educate these kids?"
Posted by: jwest
I fully agree. That's why I have been saying, with all sincerity, that if Trump names Mia Love as his VP, he will win the general in a landslide.
-- Black? Check.
-- Woman? Check.
-- Attractive? Check.
-- Immunizes Trump against any believable "racist" and "sexist" accusations? Check.
All he needs to do is peel away 15% of the black vote with Mia Love on board, and Hillary's toast.
He needs to go after the black vote.
Pound on how screwed the black population has been while they've been voting democrat. "How's that working out for YOU!" "How does bringing in 15 million illegals help you as a black person looking for work?" "You've been voting democrat for 60 years and the black population is worse off today"
Don't pander, attack.
Shame the rich liberals. Attack them for voting democrat while they support the teachers and only one out of five black kids in the inner city can read and write. "How do you sleep at night?" "How can you live with yourselves knowing it was your democrat vote that kept the changes from being made to educate these kids?"
Posted by: jwest
I fully agree. That's why I have been saying, with all sincerity, that if Trump names Mia Love as his VP, he will win the general in a landslide.
-- Black? Check.
-- Woman? Check.
-- Attractive? Check.
-- Immunizes Trump against any believable "racist" and "sexist" accusations? Check.
All he needs to do is peel away 15% of the black vote with Mia Love on board, and Hillary's toast.
Posted by: zombie at April 25, 2016 04:36 PM (jBuUi)
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Conservatism conserves nothing except Leftist progress. It's a failed ideology.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:32 PM (uURQL)
Fuck you. I mean that in all sincerity. Perhaps even, cruel and painful, death.
Fuck. You.
But, while you're at it, use your enormous intellect and show us the true path.
Oh, .............. and, Fuck. You.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:32 PM (uURQL)
Fuck you. I mean that in all sincerity. Perhaps even, cruel and painful, death.
Fuck. You.
But, while you're at it, use your enormous intellect and show us the true path.
Oh, .............. and, Fuck. You.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at April 25, 2016 04:37 PM (rbPBV)
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Yeah well, I am not sure what trumps real views are on anything, but that statement seems to indicate a basic misusnderstanding about how far to the far left hillary is and if talking about liars, well they all have to stand in line behind fat ass.
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Amnesty is far likelier to happen under a Trump administration than a Hillary one.
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Amnesty is far likelier to happen under a Trump administration than a Hillary one.
Posted by: SH at April 25, 2016 04:37 PM (gmeXX)
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Have DeBlasio's corruption woes been discussed?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 25, 2016 04:37 PM (SeD0w)
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How about being disappointed in Trump?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2016 04:34 PM (/tuJf)
Not sure what that calls for an attack on me. I am not a Trump supporter. I am a Cruz supporter. I am not disappointed with Trump since I did not expect much from him in the first place?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2016 04:34 PM (/tuJf)
Not sure what that calls for an attack on me. I am not a Trump supporter. I am a Cruz supporter. I am not disappointed with Trump since I did not expect much from him in the first place?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:37 PM (V/InG)
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Gaw Battleground polling. Generic Republican beats Hillary by 48% to 44% in the area of foreign affairs.
When they polled Trump vs Hillary on the same topic Hillary beats him--60% to 33%.
When they polled Trump vs Hillary on the same topic Hillary beats him--60% to 33%.
Posted by: Unfettered Power at April 25, 2016 04:37 PM (mcm0N)
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Which is the thread for woman-beating, slimy underhanded deals, treachery, and amoral weasels willing to do anything no matter how absurd to get ahead?
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 25, 2016 04:32 PM (sxsHo)
You'll have to be more specific.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 25, 2016 04:32 PM (sxsHo)
You'll have to be more specific.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Pox Vobiscum - Get Your Literate Latinate Curses from the Outrage Outlet! at April 25, 2016 04:37 PM (hLRSq)
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"This reeks of desperation" seems to be a popular response to this deal. To which I say, so what? They are desperate. Should they just hold on to the ball at half-court while the clock runs out, or should they jack up a desperation three-pointer before the final buzzer?
Posted by: holygoat at April 25, 2016 04:37 PM (DbBV5)
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It's interesting watching the RNC try to stop Trump by any means necessary.
Of course, the time to stop Trump was when he announced and the RNC could say-- no way, you're not running as a Republican, not in OUR party, NO WAY......
...but, you see, at the time, Trump was expected to take away votes FROM the tea party type candidates running....NOT away from the savior of the GOPe and main choice of lobbyists everywhere-- Jeb Bush. Everything backfired on the GOPe and now their desperation is showing.
Crazy times. It would all be funny and stuff, except that our debt--which neither party is serious about--is really going to crush us one day soon.
Stock up on ammo folks....cause when the EBT cards don't work and/or the store shelves are bare ala Venezuela, your stuff is going to look good to the mob at the door.
It's interesting watching the RNC try to stop Trump by any means necessary.
Of course, the time to stop Trump was when he announced and the RNC could say-- no way, you're not running as a Republican, not in OUR party, NO WAY......
...but, you see, at the time, Trump was expected to take away votes FROM the tea party type candidates running....NOT away from the savior of the GOPe and main choice of lobbyists everywhere-- Jeb Bush. Everything backfired on the GOPe and now their desperation is showing.
Crazy times. It would all be funny and stuff, except that our debt--which neither party is serious about--is really going to crush us one day soon.
Stock up on ammo folks....cause when the EBT cards don't work and/or the store shelves are bare ala Venezuela, your stuff is going to look good to the mob at the door.
Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin...trolling the end of the thread at April 25, 2016 04:38 PM (Qj6zv)
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Face it, Trumpsters, H will beat him like a dog, Drudge's phony polls notwithstanding.
And with the way he is conducting himself, what Republican is there in our universe who will run with him as the VP candidate?
Who would sully their name and future like that?
And with the way he is conducting himself, what Republican is there in our universe who will run with him as the VP candidate?
Who would sully their name and future like that?
Posted by: the littl shyning man at April 25, 2016 04:38 PM (U6f54)
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Im rooting for Trump to win the primary at this point. I like watching
people have to live with their own political choices- and Trumpkins will
have to live with a increasingly liberal sounding Trump flopping around
before getting CRUSHED (by a 10 to 15 margin judging by the polls) by
Hilldog.
Posted by: bob at April 25, 2016 03:53 PM (DKHw0)
Be a dick much? All so you can crow "told you so!"? Aren't you special. Trump is not my choice by a long-shot, but I certainly won't feel any schadenfreude if he becomes the nominee and then fucks it up thereby giving us Hillary.
Im rooting for Trump to win the primary at this point. I like watching
people have to live with their own political choices- and Trumpkins will
have to live with a increasingly liberal sounding Trump flopping around
before getting CRUSHED (by a 10 to 15 margin judging by the polls) by
Hilldog.
Posted by: bob at April 25, 2016 03:53 PM (DKHw0)
Be a dick much? All so you can crow "told you so!"? Aren't you special. Trump is not my choice by a long-shot, but I certainly won't feel any schadenfreude if he becomes the nominee and then fucks it up thereby giving us Hillary.
Posted by: kathysaysso at April 25, 2016 04:38 PM (43OZ6)
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Amnesty is far likelier to happen under a Trump administration than a Hillary one.
Posted by: SH at April 25, 2016 04:37 PM (gmeXX)
not sure how you come to that conclusion?
Posted by: SH at April 25, 2016 04:37 PM (gmeXX)
not sure how you come to that conclusion?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:38 PM (V/InG)
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ugh the shiny troll is here...sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:39 PM (V/InG)
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Cruz should sit silently as Trump insults his wife, accused him of all sorts of chicanery - lyin', cheating, bribery, Gestapo tactics.
But George W Bush was a loser for not responding to the attacks from the left.
Am I understanding things correctly.
But George W Bush was a loser for not responding to the attacks from the left.
Am I understanding things correctly.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 04:39 PM (mBYZv)
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Conservatism conserves nothing except Leftist progress. It's a failed ideology.
Conservatives have been enviously trying to match chic liberal disdain for the common man for decades.
And along the way they've learned what the three question marks before "Profit!" stand for.
Only a hail mary can stop the final and complete socialist annihilation of the United States. Let's enjoy it.
Conservatives have been enviously trying to match chic liberal disdain for the common man for decades.
And along the way they've learned what the three question marks before "Profit!" stand for.
Only a hail mary can stop the final and complete socialist annihilation of the United States. Let's enjoy it.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 04:39 PM (xuouz)
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I AM. THAT is helping to put a dem and if hillary a rotten lying scumbag in the White House and THAT I can not forgive.
This is the real worl, and actions have consequences. It is not some debating society
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:28 PM (V/InG)
The Trumpeter Swan IS a dem in actions, New York values, the role of big government more so than words, making him a ...you know..con man.
This is the real worl, and actions have consequences. It is not some debating society
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:28 PM (V/InG)
The Trumpeter Swan IS a dem in actions, New York values, the role of big government more so than words, making him a ...you know..con man.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 04:40 PM (aRUb8)
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"Even simpler, what exactly has 'conservatism' accomplished in the last 30 years? Absolutely nothing as far as I can tell."
Revoicing a point from the Morning Dump thread: when the exemplar of post-Reagan fiscal discipline has been... a Democrat... that tells you a whole lot about the bona fides of the post-Reagan GOP.
Hell, even the repeal of the widely hated 55MPH federal national speed limit wasn't signed by a Republican president.
But it's totes important to go vote Republican! And send money! Lots of it!
Revoicing a point from the Morning Dump thread: when the exemplar of post-Reagan fiscal discipline has been... a Democrat... that tells you a whole lot about the bona fides of the post-Reagan GOP.
Hell, even the repeal of the widely hated 55MPH federal national speed limit wasn't signed by a Republican president.
But it's totes important to go vote Republican! And send money! Lots of it!
Posted by: torquewrench at April 25, 2016 04:40 PM (noWW6)
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true Krep, except not so deep if they couldn't move to the right of trump, I still find it a little weird that trump had a better handle on the gop base than these career politicians who listened to stupid lefty consultants and paid them millions. They only had to read any conservative blog for a week!
But they let trump take the stop immigration mantle which he likely never meant and never will accomplish.
true Krep, except not so deep if they couldn't move to the right of trump, I still find it a little weird that trump had a better handle on the gop base than these career politicians who listened to stupid lefty consultants and paid them millions. They only had to read any conservative blog for a week!
But they let trump take the stop immigration mantle which he likely never meant and never will accomplish.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 25, 2016 04:40 PM (ODxAs)
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The top of the conservative ticket has a nice gig being the token opposition to the Leftist agenda. Make some noise, raise funds, make more noise ... and when the Leftists win, that's just more opportunity for noise and fundraising.
Why solve the problem when you can milk it?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:34 PM (uURQL)
Could I interest you on a pair of tickets for our NR cruise?
Why solve the problem when you can milk it?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:34 PM (uURQL)
Could I interest you on a pair of tickets for our NR cruise?
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Pox Vobiscum - Get Your Literate Latinate Curses from the Outrage Outlet! at April 25, 2016 04:40 PM (hLRSq)
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Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (Kucy5)
???
What did chemjeff change his nic?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:30 PM (V/InG)
Richard has been here forever--he's right, and those alt-right people are creepy as all getout.
Posted by: stace at April 25, 2016 04:35 PM (ozZau)
Weii, since Hot Air shit the bed, ...anyway.
???
What did chemjeff change his nic?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:30 PM (V/InG)
Richard has been here forever--he's right, and those alt-right people are creepy as all getout.
Posted by: stace at April 25, 2016 04:35 PM (ozZau)
Weii, since Hot Air shit the bed, ...anyway.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at April 25, 2016 04:40 PM (rbPBV)
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I will say this - Trump has not shifted one iota AFAIK from his position paper on the 2nd Amendment.
That in and of itself is worthy of a vote over Hillary, who's doubled down on gun control through intermediaries like Chelsea.
That in and of itself is worthy of a vote over Hillary, who's doubled down on gun control through intermediaries like Chelsea.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at April 25, 2016 04:40 PM (Nj2wY)
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So Trump's liberalism/statism is what's needed.
Got it.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 04:35 PM (mBYZv)
Trump's nationalism is what's needed. Destroying the GOPe as ineffective opposition is a necessary first step.
The GOPe is burning, and this latest Cruz/Kasich deal is more fuel for the fire.
Got it.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 04:35 PM (mBYZv)
Trump's nationalism is what's needed. Destroying the GOPe as ineffective opposition is a necessary first step.
The GOPe is burning, and this latest Cruz/Kasich deal is more fuel for the fire.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:40 PM (uURQL)
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Quite simply because I don't think Trump cares one way or the other. When Trump builds a wall (or pretends to build a wall) in exchange for amnesty, he'll say it was a great deal. His supporters will probably agree and be thankful that we are now building a wall - of course the wall will never be built, but we'll have amnesty. Trump will give the GOP House cover, whereas with Hillary, there is enough GOP House to keep it in check.
Posted by: SH at April 25, 2016 04:41 PM (gmeXX)
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Who would sully their name and future like that?
Posted by: the littl shyning man at April 25, 2016 04:38 PM (U6f54)
Which politician indeed would answer the call to be Vice President of the United States. What a stumper.
Posted by: the littl shyning man at April 25, 2016 04:38 PM (U6f54)
Which politician indeed would answer the call to be Vice President of the United States. What a stumper.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 04:41 PM (xuouz)
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>>Not sure what that calls for an attack on me. I am not a Trump supporter. I am a Cruz supporter. I am not disappointed with Trump since I did not expect much from him in the first place?
I'm not attacking you but you are like the supposed Cruz supporter here I have heard say "I'm a Cruz supporter but I'm disappointed in him for blah blah blah"
The question stands, why would you be disappointed in a guy who is running a very strong campaign against a guy who daily insults him, his wife and anyone or anything he thinks is in his way?
Trump is the guy who has dragged this campaign into the mud of personal insults and away from issues. Blame him.
I'm not attacking you but you are like the supposed Cruz supporter here I have heard say "I'm a Cruz supporter but I'm disappointed in him for blah blah blah"
The question stands, why would you be disappointed in a guy who is running a very strong campaign against a guy who daily insults him, his wife and anyone or anything he thinks is in his way?
Trump is the guy who has dragged this campaign into the mud of personal insults and away from issues. Blame him.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2016 04:41 PM (/tuJf)
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"I have to wonder when Cruz supporters are going to realize that they need the Trump supporters votes should Cruz win the nom. Cuz getting continually crapped by Cruz kids on this cycle is no way to win hearts, minds and votes.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (YLidQ)
They don't want us.
And that is the way of the conservative - kicking out people who aren't respectable enough according to Leftist tastes.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:27 PM (uURQL)"
Um, Cruz supporter here, and yes, I DO want you to support the nominee in the Fall. Obviously, you'll back Trump if he's the nominee and so will I (reluctantly and with great misgivings). I hope that if Cruz becomes the nominee, the horrible thought of Hillary Clinton moving into the Oval Office will motivate you to put aside your disappointment and back Cruz.
This primary fight has been longer, nastier, and more divisive than any I can recall in the several decades I've been watching them. I blame the ugly divisiveness that Obama sowed and unfortunately, Trump trashing other candidates in the race didn't help. A lot of words have gotten tossed around and everybody is mad.
I loathe Trump. However, I know some good people that see something in him that I don't and they are backing him now. However, this turns out, they'll still be my friends after July, and if Cruz wins, I sure want them (and you both) to come around to supporting him in the Fall.
Posted by: Tim in GA at April 25, 2016 04:23 PM (YLidQ)
They don't want us.
And that is the way of the conservative - kicking out people who aren't respectable enough according to Leftist tastes.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:27 PM (uURQL)"
Um, Cruz supporter here, and yes, I DO want you to support the nominee in the Fall. Obviously, you'll back Trump if he's the nominee and so will I (reluctantly and with great misgivings). I hope that if Cruz becomes the nominee, the horrible thought of Hillary Clinton moving into the Oval Office will motivate you to put aside your disappointment and back Cruz.
This primary fight has been longer, nastier, and more divisive than any I can recall in the several decades I've been watching them. I blame the ugly divisiveness that Obama sowed and unfortunately, Trump trashing other candidates in the race didn't help. A lot of words have gotten tossed around and everybody is mad.
I loathe Trump. However, I know some good people that see something in him that I don't and they are backing him now. However, this turns out, they'll still be my friends after July, and if Cruz wins, I sure want them (and you both) to come around to supporting him in the Fall.
Posted by: Jill v2 at April 25, 2016 04:41 PM (UYQcx)
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I will say this - Trump has not shifted one iota AFAIK from his position paper on the 2nd Amendment.
We can only hope that he's read it.
We can only hope that he's read it.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 25, 2016 04:41 PM (evdj2)
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i'm not impressed with cruz teaming up with kasich...... every day cruz does something to make me like him less.....wtf is wrong with him?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 25, 2016 04:26 PM (0O7c5)
It's strategy that I hope he has planned out, again, like chess, way ahead of the rest.
One thing that Trump has over him (besides name recognition) is humor. Whether we laugh with him or AT him, Trump is funny. I wish Cruz had a little of that to soften him. Like someone said upthread, he is better at one on one and smaller town hall settings where he can engage with people versus "talk to people" from the podium.
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 25, 2016 04:26 PM (0O7c5)
It's strategy that I hope he has planned out, again, like chess, way ahead of the rest.
One thing that Trump has over him (besides name recognition) is humor. Whether we laugh with him or AT him, Trump is funny. I wish Cruz had a little of that to soften him. Like someone said upthread, he is better at one on one and smaller town hall settings where he can engage with people versus "talk to people" from the podium.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 25, 2016 04:42 PM (qCMvj)
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224---Trump actually WAS making inroads with the black vote. And he'd stated that he was going to actively court them. Remember?
Then that fake phony (non) endorsement by David Duke materialized out of nowhere.
It was pure bullshit.
Trump has been a media celebrity for three decades in NYC, a city with a sizable and vocal black population and there was NEVER a hint that he was a racist. Until he decided to run for president and started to make small inroads into that very constituency that the life of the Democrat Party depends on.
Then that fake phony (non) endorsement by David Duke materialized out of nowhere.
It was pure bullshit.
Trump has been a media celebrity for three decades in NYC, a city with a sizable and vocal black population and there was NEVER a hint that he was a racist. Until he decided to run for president and started to make small inroads into that very constituency that the life of the Democrat Party depends on.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 25, 2016 04:42 PM (zBcW4)
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255 ugh the shiny troll is here...sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:39 PM (V/InG)
Yeah.............
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:39 PM (V/InG)
Yeah.............
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at April 25, 2016 04:42 PM (rbPBV)
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Who would sully their name and future like that?
Posted by: the littl shyning man at April 25, 2016 04:38 PM (U6f54)
Kasich?
Posted by: the littl shyning man at April 25, 2016 04:38 PM (U6f54)
Kasich?
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239 Once again, that assumes that Trump holds different views than Hillary. I do not think he does.
Posted by: SH
one builds things and the other claims no he didn't, government did. if you can't tell the difference, that's on you.
Posted by: SH
one builds things and the other claims no he didn't, government did. if you can't tell the difference, that's on you.
Posted by: x at April 25, 2016 04:42 PM (nFwvY)
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I will say this - Trump has not shifted one iota AFAIK from his position paper on the 2nd Amendment.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at April 25, 2016 04:40 PM (Nj2wY)
Yeah so much as admitting you've taken the time to read his position papers is all the evidence needed to brand you as an unserious sycophant on this site.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at April 25, 2016 04:40 PM (Nj2wY)
Yeah so much as admitting you've taken the time to read his position papers is all the evidence needed to brand you as an unserious sycophant on this site.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 04:43 PM (xuouz)
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Well, all you tru-cons who used to make fun of tru-cons who voted for McCain and Romney --- Hey, look at you now, you purists.
I will vote for Donald J Trump over known murderer-causing and known grifter Hilary. I voted for Cruz in my fake caucus and will vote for him again in the general too.
None of this makes any sense.
I will vote for Donald J Trump over known murderer-causing and known grifter Hilary. I voted for Cruz in my fake caucus and will vote for him again in the general too.
None of this makes any sense.
Posted by: L, Elle at April 25, 2016 04:43 PM (2x3L+)
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"if Trump names Mia Love as his VP, he will win the general in a landslide."
Do. Not. Want.
Love took about ten microseconds after being elected before throwing all in with K Street, the Boehner establishment, and "cromnibus" financing.
Do. Not. Want.
Love took about ten microseconds after being elected before throwing all in with K Street, the Boehner establishment, and "cromnibus" financing.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 25, 2016 04:44 PM (noWW6)
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So Trump has a butt hurt, well as on going one anyway. Wonder if Hillary will give him a position in her administration. If it's him and Hildabeast I will vote for him but millions won't.
Posted by: Skip at April 25, 2016 04:45 PM (Dpy/y)
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Trump is a dangerous nutjob, a moron, unfit for office!
Trump is a master manipulator who has done an airtight, perfect job hiding his true liberal democrat beliefs!
At the same time!
Trump is a master manipulator who has done an airtight, perfect job hiding his true liberal democrat beliefs!
At the same time!
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 04:45 PM (xuouz)
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That in and of itself is worthy of a vote over Hillary, who's doubled down on gun control through intermediaries like Chelsea.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at April 25, 2016 04:40 PM (Nj2wY)
If that's the determiner between the two, I no longer care. People are just far too stupid.
*surveys landscape*
Look at that, ..... they are!
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at April 25, 2016 04:40 PM (Nj2wY)
If that's the determiner between the two, I no longer care. People are just far too stupid.
*surveys landscape*
Look at that, ..... they are!
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at April 25, 2016 04:45 PM (rbPBV)
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The Outrage Outlet stocks all of the popular ammunition calibers.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Pox Vobiscum - Get Your Literate Latinate Curses from the Outrage Outlet! at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM
Is there a loophole discount for Los Hordelitos?
How about for those who know what "Kilroy hic erat" means?
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Pox Vobiscum - Get Your Literate Latinate Curses from the Outrage Outlet! at April 25, 2016 04:04 PM
Is there a loophole discount for Los Hordelitos?
How about for those who know what "Kilroy hic erat" means?
Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at April 25, 2016 04:45 PM (ml1PM)
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Bobby Knight to join Trump at Indy rally. That's a pretty good get.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 25, 2016 04:45 PM (SeD0w)
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239 Once again, that assumes that Trump holds different views than Hillary. I do not think he does.
Posted by: SH
one builds things and the other claims no he didn't, government did. if you can't tell the difference, that's on you.
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I don't care that Trump builds things. Being President is not the Contractor in Chief position. I suspect that Trump sees the government as a force for good, especially for builders. I don't.
Posted by: SH
one builds things and the other claims no he didn't, government did. if you can't tell the difference, that's on you.
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I don't care that Trump builds things. Being President is not the Contractor in Chief position. I suspect that Trump sees the government as a force for good, especially for builders. I don't.
Posted by: SH at April 25, 2016 04:45 PM (gmeXX)
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"At some point, a respected pollster is going to come out with national numbers that aren't based on the exact same turnout model as Obama's election."
Some people (like me) tried this in 2012. Turned out the turnout model was worse. So I wouldn't be counting on that model going forward. The pollsters are quite accurately capturing the national feelings about the candidates. Banking on "the polls are wrong" will only lead to embarrassment and heartache.
To be fair, Gallup did release a poll that is very positive for Trump today. It is the first positive poll in the head to head matchup in months. We will see if it is an outlier or signals a trend.
And yes, this is kind of a desperation move by Cruz. He needs to win Indiana and I bet he figured New Mexico and Oregon are pretty much gone for him. So he figures there is no downside to clearing the field there for Kasich.
Some people (like me) tried this in 2012. Turned out the turnout model was worse. So I wouldn't be counting on that model going forward. The pollsters are quite accurately capturing the national feelings about the candidates. Banking on "the polls are wrong" will only lead to embarrassment and heartache.
To be fair, Gallup did release a poll that is very positive for Trump today. It is the first positive poll in the head to head matchup in months. We will see if it is an outlier or signals a trend.
And yes, this is kind of a desperation move by Cruz. He needs to win Indiana and I bet he figured New Mexico and Oregon are pretty much gone for him. So he figures there is no downside to clearing the field there for Kasich.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 25, 2016 04:45 PM (aI+/q)
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Not sure what that calls for an attack on me. I am
not a Trump supporter. I am a Cruz supporter. I am not disappointed with
Trump since I did not expect much from him in the first place?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:37 PM (V/InG)
^^this^^
not a Trump supporter. I am a Cruz supporter. I am not disappointed with
Trump since I did not expect much from him in the first place?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:37 PM (V/InG)
^^this^^
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 25, 2016 04:46 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: stace at April 25, 2016 04:46 PM (ozZau)
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Trump/Knowles 2016!
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 04:46 PM (xuouz)
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>>Do. Not. Want.
>>Love took about ten microseconds after being elected before throwing all in with K Street, the Boehner establishment, and "cromnibus" financing.
Not Trump though. He won't fall in with all those establishment types on both sides of the aisle who favor crony capitalism and payoffs.
That was the old Donald Trump. Not the new and improved model.
>>Love took about ten microseconds after being elected before throwing all in with K Street, the Boehner establishment, and "cromnibus" financing.
Not Trump though. He won't fall in with all those establishment types on both sides of the aisle who favor crony capitalism and payoffs.
That was the old Donald Trump. Not the new and improved model.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2016 04:46 PM (/tuJf)
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Conservatism conserves nothing except Leftist progress. It's a failed ideology.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:32 PM (uURQL)
Fuck you. I mean that in all sincerity. Perhaps even, cruel and painful, death.
Fuck. You.
But, while you're at it, use your enormous intellect and show us the true path.
Oh, .............. and, Fuck. You.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at April 25, 2016 04:37 PM (rbPBV)
Go ahead and hate me.
If I had said complete nonsense like the US is a Communist Monarchy - you would just point and laugh.
You aren't laughing because it's true.
Recognizing failure is the first step towards success.
And opposition to the Left requires success, not "principled" losing.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:32 PM (uURQL)
Fuck you. I mean that in all sincerity. Perhaps even, cruel and painful, death.
Fuck. You.
But, while you're at it, use your enormous intellect and show us the true path.
Oh, .............. and, Fuck. You.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at April 25, 2016 04:37 PM (rbPBV)
Go ahead and hate me.
If I had said complete nonsense like the US is a Communist Monarchy - you would just point and laugh.
You aren't laughing because it's true.
Recognizing failure is the first step towards success.
And opposition to the Left requires success, not "principled" losing.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:46 PM (uURQL)
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Nood toys
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 04:47 PM (xuouz)
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"Conservatism conserves nothing except Leftist progress. It's a failed ideology."
I don't know what Conservatism means.
SoCons priorities have shifted. They're now worried about getting driven from the public square.
NeoCons failed with Iraq, compounded by the mistakes of Obama/Hillary -- hence our isolationist bent.
Big Business / Chamber of Commerce / Free Trade / Open Borders, now aligned with elements of Big Gov and increasingly with the Cultural Left, has little popular support from right-leaning potential voters.
"Constitutional Conservatism" is a way to say that you want to turn back the clock, but you can't, and it doesn't sell to the broader public.
So we need something. Right-leaning populism can work.
I don't know what Conservatism means.
SoCons priorities have shifted. They're now worried about getting driven from the public square.
NeoCons failed with Iraq, compounded by the mistakes of Obama/Hillary -- hence our isolationist bent.
Big Business / Chamber of Commerce / Free Trade / Open Borders, now aligned with elements of Big Gov and increasingly with the Cultural Left, has little popular support from right-leaning potential voters.
"Constitutional Conservatism" is a way to say that you want to turn back the clock, but you can't, and it doesn't sell to the broader public.
So we need something. Right-leaning populism can work.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2016 04:47 PM (r1fLd)
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Black Velvet = combo of stout and champagne, invented 1861 to commemorate the death of Prince Albert.
Black Velvet = combo of stout and champagne, invented 1861 to commemorate the death of Prince Albert.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 25, 2016 04:47 PM (iQIUe)
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None of this makes any sense.
Posted by: L, Elle at April 25, 2016 04:43 PM (2x3L+)
But it has been fun!
Like a Mad Hatter's Tea Party fun! And all of the serious suit guys who sit on tv and tell us who we should support going absolutely nuts because they cannot control the outcome this year only add to the Brilliantly Bizzare and Belligerent Ball!
Posted by: L, Elle at April 25, 2016 04:43 PM (2x3L+)
But it has been fun!
Like a Mad Hatter's Tea Party fun! And all of the serious suit guys who sit on tv and tell us who we should support going absolutely nuts because they cannot control the outcome this year only add to the Brilliantly Bizzare and Belligerent Ball!
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Pox Vobiscum - Get Your Literate Latinate Curses from the Outrage Outlet! at April 25, 2016 04:48 PM (hLRSq)
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276 Well, all you tru-cons who used to make fun of tru-cons who voted for McCain and Romney --- Hey, look at you now, you purists.
I will vote for Donald J Trump over known murderer-causing and known grifter Hilary. I voted for Cruz in my fake caucus and will vote for him again in the general too.
None of this makes any sense.
Posted by: L, Elle at April 25, 2016 04:43 PM (2x3L+)
Heh............. exactly.
That's why I simply cringe at the: "I'm going to just sit it out" people.
I will vote for Donald J Trump over known murderer-causing and known grifter Hilary. I voted for Cruz in my fake caucus and will vote for him again in the general too.
None of this makes any sense.
Posted by: L, Elle at April 25, 2016 04:43 PM (2x3L+)
Heh............. exactly.
That's why I simply cringe at the: "I'm going to just sit it out" people.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at April 25, 2016 04:48 PM (rbPBV)
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Love took about ten microseconds after being elected before throwing all in with K Street, the Boehner establishment, and "cromnibus" financing.
Is NO ONE immune from that virus? Does it infect its host at the baggage claim at Reagan Int'l? F-me running. What's the point?
Is NO ONE immune from that virus? Does it infect its host at the baggage claim at Reagan Int'l? F-me running. What's the point?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 25, 2016 04:48 PM (SeD0w)
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So we need something. Right-leaning populism can work.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2016 04:47 PM (r1fLd)
Nationalism. Make America Great Again is not a bad starting point.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2016 04:47 PM (r1fLd)
Nationalism. Make America Great Again is not a bad starting point.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:49 PM (uURQL)
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why would we want mia love to be vice president this early in her career?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 25, 2016 04:49 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at April 25, 2016 04:49 PM (rbPBV)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at April 25, 2016 04:50 PM (eHpnh)
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So Donald is twitting about Kasichs "disgusting" eating? How "Presidential."
Posted by: donna at April 25, 2016 04:50 PM (O2RFr)
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I predict if President, At some time during his term, Trump will sign some 'common sense' gun law passed by a Democrat majority Congress.
Posted by: Joe Hallenback at April 25, 2016 04:50 PM (EWRow)
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. Like someone said upthread, he is better at one
on one and smaller town hall settings where he can engage with people
versus "talk to people" from the podium.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 25, 2016 04:42 PM (qCMvj)
That says more about "the people" than it does about Cruz. When personality means more to people than principles and values, we run the risk of giving power to an adolescent, because the people have an adolescent understanding of life and want someone just like themselves.
on one and smaller town hall settings where he can engage with people
versus "talk to people" from the podium.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 25, 2016 04:42 PM (qCMvj)
That says more about "the people" than it does about Cruz. When personality means more to people than principles and values, we run the risk of giving power to an adolescent, because the people have an adolescent understanding of life and want someone just like themselves.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 04:51 PM (aRUb8)
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So there is a lot of Trump is this or that and Trump should/shouldn't do this or that on this thread.
Just curious what all the people who have said something on the order of "Kasich is a dirty haired ninja handed liberal and WTF is he even doing in this election because he sux" think of Cruz joining hands with him.
As a Cruz supporter over the past couple months...I'm kinda grossed out. I get that he is up against the time clock here. But damn.
Just curious what all the people who have said something on the order of "Kasich is a dirty haired ninja handed liberal and WTF is he even doing in this election because he sux" think of Cruz joining hands with him.
As a Cruz supporter over the past couple months...I'm kinda grossed out. I get that he is up against the time clock here. But damn.
Posted by: ajmojo at April 25, 2016 04:51 PM (1H9ox)
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His likely opponents, a widely loathed bureaucratic organized crime donna with one foot in the witness stand and the other in the grave and a crusty, senile old socialist who believes that whites owe reparations and gender is a construct
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 04:01 PM (xuouz)
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Just askin': What about an avuncular old suit who can fake dignity and experience and who will tearfully invoke his sacred promise to his dead son on television? I'm more worried about Biden than I am about Hillary or Bernie.
His likely opponents, a widely loathed bureaucratic organized crime donna with one foot in the witness stand and the other in the grave and a crusty, senile old socialist who believes that whites owe reparations and gender is a construct
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 04:01 PM (xuouz)
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Just askin': What about an avuncular old suit who can fake dignity and experience and who will tearfully invoke his sacred promise to his dead son on television? I'm more worried about Biden than I am about Hillary or Bernie.
Posted by: iforgot at April 25, 2016 04:52 PM (pC96u)
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"Trump has been a media celebrity for three decades in NYC, a city with a sizable and vocal black population and there was NEVER a hint that he was a racist. Until he decided to run for president and started to make small inroads into that very constituency that the life of the Democrat Party depends on.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 25, 2016 04:42 PM (zBcW4)"
I'm not sure that's quite true. Personally, much as I loathe the guy, I don't believe Trump is a racist. However, in 1973 the DOJ sued he and his father for supposedly not renting to black Americans. Then there was something in 1996 about not hiring enough black Americans to work in his casinos.
Anyone can sue, so the merits of these cases are up for debate. The problem is that the Dems' opposition research will have a field day making Trump radioactive. He's just given them too much ammo over his 69 year lifespan.
The failure to promptly disavow David Duke of the KKK was an unforced error on Trump's part. I think he was afraid of looking weak or too PC.
Both Trump and Cruz can fight back against the inevitable smears. Neither is likely to just soak up the hits and ignore them. However, Cruz has far less baggage for the Dems to work with.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 25, 2016 04:42 PM (zBcW4)"
I'm not sure that's quite true. Personally, much as I loathe the guy, I don't believe Trump is a racist. However, in 1973 the DOJ sued he and his father for supposedly not renting to black Americans. Then there was something in 1996 about not hiring enough black Americans to work in his casinos.
Anyone can sue, so the merits of these cases are up for debate. The problem is that the Dems' opposition research will have a field day making Trump radioactive. He's just given them too much ammo over his 69 year lifespan.
The failure to promptly disavow David Duke of the KKK was an unforced error on Trump's part. I think he was afraid of looking weak or too PC.
Both Trump and Cruz can fight back against the inevitable smears. Neither is likely to just soak up the hits and ignore them. However, Cruz has far less baggage for the Dems to work with.
Posted by: Jill v2 at April 25, 2016 04:52 PM (UYQcx)
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I predict if President, At some time during his term, Trump will sign some 'common sense' gun law passed by a Democrat majority Congress.
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Could happen. You have to make deals - this would just be a great deal.
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Could happen. You have to make deals - this would just be a great deal.
Posted by: SH at April 25, 2016 04:52 PM (gmeXX)
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That says more about "the people" than it does about Cruz. When personality means more to people than principles and values, we run the risk of giving power to an adolescent, because the people have an adolescent understanding of life and want someone just like themselves.
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Hate to break it to you...but welcome to politics. It's a beauty pageant for ugly people.
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Hate to break it to you...but welcome to politics. It's a beauty pageant for ugly people.
Posted by: ajmojo at April 25, 2016 04:52 PM (1H9ox)
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I hope everyone remembers that everything happening now in politics, everything being said and done, all the "Lying Ted" talk and "unpresidential" actions are only seen by a tiny percentage of us - the political junkies.
None of the real people know what's going on or will remember anything about it in a few months. The actual election is so far away that the candidates (whoever they turn out to be) can reinvent themselves a dozen times.
Sometimes we make the mistake of thinking that people with actual lives think like we do.
They don't.
Of course, they don't know who the Vice President is right now either.
That's OK. We don't want them knowing too much, because then they would make up their own minds instead of just doing what we eventually lead them into doing.
None of the real people know what's going on or will remember anything about it in a few months. The actual election is so far away that the candidates (whoever they turn out to be) can reinvent themselves a dozen times.
Sometimes we make the mistake of thinking that people with actual lives think like we do.
They don't.
Of course, they don't know who the Vice President is right now either.
That's OK. We don't want them knowing too much, because then they would make up their own minds instead of just doing what we eventually lead them into doing.
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2016 04:52 PM (Zs4uk)
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I AM. THAT is helping to put a dem and if hillary a rotten lying scumbag in the White House and THAT I can not forgive.
This is the real worl, and actions have consequences. It is not some debating society
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:28 PM (V/InG)
Exactly, which is why I was planning to vote for him.all this while even thought I couldn't stand him. But his initial NC law comments made me realize he would not slow down any of the left's assault on society, which was one of the things that had made me think that at least he would be better than the Dem.
So I was left with nothing. Based on his history, currently behavior, and loud hints of the yuuge shift to.the left he is planning, I have come to realize he is not worth voting for. He will be just as corrupt as Hillary, just that he won't have the good sense to cover it up like she would, he will seek us out to the left.
I felt I could no longer in good conscience support him. You can blame him for continuing to act like a nightmarish toddler. Don't blame me, who gave him so much leeway for so long.
Donald Trump likes America, but he lives himself much, much,more.
This is the real worl, and actions have consequences. It is not some debating society
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2016 04:28 PM (V/InG)
Exactly, which is why I was planning to vote for him.all this while even thought I couldn't stand him. But his initial NC law comments made me realize he would not slow down any of the left's assault on society, which was one of the things that had made me think that at least he would be better than the Dem.
So I was left with nothing. Based on his history, currently behavior, and loud hints of the yuuge shift to.the left he is planning, I have come to realize he is not worth voting for. He will be just as corrupt as Hillary, just that he won't have the good sense to cover it up like she would, he will seek us out to the left.
I felt I could no longer in good conscience support him. You can blame him for continuing to act like a nightmarish toddler. Don't blame me, who gave him so much leeway for so long.
Donald Trump likes America, but he lives himself much, much,more.
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277 "if Trump names Mia Love as his VP, he will win the general in a landslide."
Do. Not. Want.
Love took about ten microseconds after being elected before throwing all in with K Street, the Boehner establishment, and "cromnibus" financing.
Posted by: torquewrench
Irrelevant.
Had this argument a zillion times already.
Love's position on the ticket is not extreme enough either way to dissuade either tea-party types or establishment types from voting for Trump. But her position there as a symbol will open doors for other to to vote for him.
The VP needs to fill in the missing part of the ticket, to be complementary to the candidate, not complimentary. Biden, for example, disagreed with many of Obama's campaign promises. But Biden was picked for strategic reasons, and none of the Obamabots suddenly voted against Obama solely because he chose a crusty old white old-school Democrat as VP. JFK and LBJ did not see eye to eye on most issues either, but JFK needed those Texas and good ol' boy votes.
So, Love is not a pure hardcore tea-prty conservative type. Shrugs. No one will care. To be frank, she's a symbol; she'll be the Harriet Tubman on Trump's $20 bill. The key is to use the Left's identity politics against them.
Do. Not. Want.
Love took about ten microseconds after being elected before throwing all in with K Street, the Boehner establishment, and "cromnibus" financing.
Posted by: torquewrench
Irrelevant.
Had this argument a zillion times already.
Love's position on the ticket is not extreme enough either way to dissuade either tea-party types or establishment types from voting for Trump. But her position there as a symbol will open doors for other to to vote for him.
The VP needs to fill in the missing part of the ticket, to be complementary to the candidate, not complimentary. Biden, for example, disagreed with many of Obama's campaign promises. But Biden was picked for strategic reasons, and none of the Obamabots suddenly voted against Obama solely because he chose a crusty old white old-school Democrat as VP. JFK and LBJ did not see eye to eye on most issues either, but JFK needed those Texas and good ol' boy votes.
So, Love is not a pure hardcore tea-prty conservative type. Shrugs. No one will care. To be frank, she's a symbol; she'll be the Harriet Tubman on Trump's $20 bill. The key is to use the Left's identity politics against them.
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Nationalism. Make America Great Again is not a bad starting point.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:49 PM (uURQL)
I think "Make The Constitution Great Again" would be better. Less vague.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 04:49 PM (uURQL)
I think "Make The Constitution Great Again" would be better. Less vague.
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Also whoever said Trump has been consistent on the 2nd since running forgot about his support to deny ability to purchase a gun based on the no fly list. Of course he quickly did a 180 when confronted.
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That's why I simply cringe at the: "I'm going to just sit it out" people.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at April 25, 2016 04:48 PM (rbPBV)
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Unless something drastically changes between now and November in regards to Trump, you can start cringing in my direction.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at April 25, 2016 04:48 PM (rbPBV)
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Unless something drastically changes between now and November in regards to Trump, you can start cringing in my direction.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 25, 2016 04:53 PM (dFi94)
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One thing that Trump has over him (besides name recognition) is humor. Whether we laugh with him or AT him, Trump is funny.
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I agree with you overall, but for me that statement isn't true. I have never found him anything other than repellent. I have never found him the least bit funny or entertaining, just nauseating. Whenever he was in the news, as wth one of his stupid pageant scandals, I would keep the remote in my lap so I could change the channel and avoid seeing him. And this thing is close to being our nominee.
I've actually chatted with Cruz a couple of times, and he's very easy to talk to and down to earth.
Sorry to vent. I can't believe this horror is real.
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I agree with you overall, but for me that statement isn't true. I have never found him anything other than repellent. I have never found him the least bit funny or entertaining, just nauseating. Whenever he was in the news, as wth one of his stupid pageant scandals, I would keep the remote in my lap so I could change the channel and avoid seeing him. And this thing is close to being our nominee.
I've actually chatted with Cruz a couple of times, and he's very easy to talk to and down to earth.
Sorry to vent. I can't believe this horror is real.
Posted by: stace at April 25, 2016 04:54 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: donna at April 25, 2016 04:55 PM (O2RFr)
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People are gonna be talking about this election a hundred years after it ends.
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Hate to break it to you...but welcome to politics. It's a beauty pageant for ugly people.
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Doesn't have to be, and it isn't always. Nixon won the largest landslide ever - not because he was so charismatic (though Sock it to Me). Hillary could win - again, not because of her charm.
Charm and personality obviously play a role - but it really doesn't have to play the oversized role it does.
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Doesn't have to be, and it isn't always. Nixon won the largest landslide ever - not because he was so charismatic (though Sock it to Me). Hillary could win - again, not because of her charm.
Charm and personality obviously play a role - but it really doesn't have to play the oversized role it does.
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Hate to break it to you...but welcome to politics. It's a beauty pageant for ugly people.
Posted by: ajmojo at April 25, 2016 04:52 PM (1H9ox)
Hate to break it to you, but I was referring to the intelligence of the people...not the machine of politics.
Posted by: ajmojo at April 25, 2016 04:52 PM (1H9ox)
Hate to break it to you, but I was referring to the intelligence of the people...not the machine of politics.
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Rephrase what Trump said so that it sounds the way you prefer and then explain how Cruz is not desperate and not working with the gope.
Posted by: eman at April 25, 2016 04:57 PM (mR7Es)
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Unless something drastically changes between now and November in regards to Trump, you can start cringing in my direction.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 25, 2016 04:53 PM (dFi94)
And mine.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 25, 2016 04:53 PM (dFi94)
And mine.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at April 25, 2016 04:57 PM (eHpnh)
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I don't understand what Cruz's campaign thinks of the optics of...we can't win Oregon or New Mexico, so here, John, you try it
Ok, Ted,. Hey, I can't win Indiana, even though it neighbors my state I govern. So you go there and try to win that one.
My neighbors, acquaintances, etc are not that stupid. This simply falls neatly into the Trump mantra of " it's rigged, they are all trying to manipulate the system, your vote doesn't count, etc."
Ok, Ted,. Hey, I can't win Indiana, even though it neighbors my state I govern. So you go there and try to win that one.
My neighbors, acquaintances, etc are not that stupid. This simply falls neatly into the Trump mantra of " it's rigged, they are all trying to manipulate the system, your vote doesn't count, etc."
Posted by: Jen the original at April 25, 2016 04:58 PM (1rAS0)
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310 277 "if Trump names Mia Love as his VP, he will win the general in a landslide."
Right thought, wrong person. Mia Love isn't black, she's conservative.
If Trump wanted a black VP, he should get Al Sharpton.
VP's don't do shit, so why not have an authentic, certified black to get votes?
Right thought, wrong person. Mia Love isn't black, she's conservative.
If Trump wanted a black VP, he should get Al Sharpton.
VP's don't do shit, so why not have an authentic, certified black to get votes?
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2016 04:58 PM (Zs4uk)
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The "rigged system" is the biggest lie that Donald Trump tells.
This is not a race to become President. This is a race to be the Party Nominee. He entered it willingly, and then throws a fit when the rules don't work for him. Who does he think he is?
A Clinton?
This is the way parties have worked since the beginning. Trump and his supporters just want to win, but not do the actual work to win it. Cruz and team are.. They are stealing nothing.
If I may use a war analogy, they are fighting to win. And when Cruz takes some Ground (States), Generalissimo Trump complains about the shape of the battle field. When Cruz takes people (delegates), Generalissimo Trump complains that the bullets are too hard, or the Artillery too effective.
But you cannot complain about the battlefield, or the nature of the war. It is what it is. Everything is just plain whining.
This is not a race to become President. This is a race to be the Party Nominee. He entered it willingly, and then throws a fit when the rules don't work for him. Who does he think he is?
A Clinton?
This is the way parties have worked since the beginning. Trump and his supporters just want to win, but not do the actual work to win it. Cruz and team are.. They are stealing nothing.
If I may use a war analogy, they are fighting to win. And when Cruz takes some Ground (States), Generalissimo Trump complains about the shape of the battle field. When Cruz takes people (delegates), Generalissimo Trump complains that the bullets are too hard, or the Artillery too effective.
But you cannot complain about the battlefield, or the nature of the war. It is what it is. Everything is just plain whining.
Posted by: Sippin_bourbon at April 25, 2016 04:58 PM (Gl74b)
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321 Unless something drastically changes between now and November in regards to Trump, you can start cringing in my direction.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 25, 2016 04:53 PM (dFi94)
And mine.
And mine...
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 25, 2016 04:53 PM (dFi94)
And mine.
And mine...
Posted by: donna at April 25, 2016 04:59 PM (O2RFr)
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" I hope everyone remembers that everything happening now in politics, everything being said and done, all the "Lying Ted" talk and "unpresidential" actions are only seen by a tiny percentage of us - the political junkies.
None of the real people know what's going on or will remember anything about it in a few months. The actual election is so far away that the candidates (whoever they turn out to be) can reinvent themselves a dozen times.
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2016 04:52 PM (Zs4uk)"
I think you underestimate Trump's celebrity effect. People may not know what it stems from, but the general public has heard the "Lyin' Ted" and "Little Marco" stuff. That's one of the reasons I really dislike Trump. Trashing other candidates on personal stuff instead of policy makes the disunity of the party that much harder to overcome.
Trump wanted to win. Can't fault him for that. He's a naturally aggressive, nasty guy so he went with what is normal to him. He doesn't give a fig for the generally understood rules of the GOP like "Don't speak ill of another Republican", so breaking that 11th Commandment was easy.
Unfortunately, it's left damage everywhere since eventually the other candidates started responding in kind. Cruz kept it a bit more toned down, but calling someone a phony gets at the same idea.
None of the real people know what's going on or will remember anything about it in a few months. The actual election is so far away that the candidates (whoever they turn out to be) can reinvent themselves a dozen times.
Posted by: jwest at April 25, 2016 04:52 PM (Zs4uk)"
I think you underestimate Trump's celebrity effect. People may not know what it stems from, but the general public has heard the "Lyin' Ted" and "Little Marco" stuff. That's one of the reasons I really dislike Trump. Trashing other candidates on personal stuff instead of policy makes the disunity of the party that much harder to overcome.
Trump wanted to win. Can't fault him for that. He's a naturally aggressive, nasty guy so he went with what is normal to him. He doesn't give a fig for the generally understood rules of the GOP like "Don't speak ill of another Republican", so breaking that 11th Commandment was easy.
Unfortunately, it's left damage everywhere since eventually the other candidates started responding in kind. Cruz kept it a bit more toned down, but calling someone a phony gets at the same idea.
Posted by: Jill v2 at April 25, 2016 05:00 PM (UYQcx)
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"The pollsters are quite accurately capturing the national feelings about the candidates. Banking on "the polls are wrong" will only lead to embarrassment and heartache."
Turnout should be different from 2008 and 2012, no?
Hillary is unlikely to get Youth turnout, nor Black turnout like Obama. Single Women may not be any higher.
Trump can get higher Non-college White, both men and women, and it's the largest single cohort.
Known Unknowns: Will Hispanic turnout be higher? Can high Hillary negatives suppress turnout among Ds? How will Independents break with two candidates with high unfavorables?
Depending on how you dial these in to an actual electoral map, you can get very different results.
Turnout should be different from 2008 and 2012, no?
Hillary is unlikely to get Youth turnout, nor Black turnout like Obama. Single Women may not be any higher.
Trump can get higher Non-college White, both men and women, and it's the largest single cohort.
Known Unknowns: Will Hispanic turnout be higher? Can high Hillary negatives suppress turnout among Ds? How will Independents break with two candidates with high unfavorables?
Depending on how you dial these in to an actual electoral map, you can get very different results.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2016 05:01 PM (r1fLd)
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I think "Make The Constitution Great Again" would be better. Less vague.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 04:53 PM (aRUb
That's inept substitution. The Constitution is fine. America isn't fit for constitutional governance.
Not after electing Obama twice and practicing child sacrifice for 40 years.
But maybe MAGA is a starting point for a turn around. Maybe. Spiritual revival is needed before everything else, frankly.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 04:53 PM (aRUb
That's inept substitution. The Constitution is fine. America isn't fit for constitutional governance.
Not after electing Obama twice and practicing child sacrifice for 40 years.
But maybe MAGA is a starting point for a turn around. Maybe. Spiritual revival is needed before everything else, frankly.
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Interesting article in Politico just yesterday about the Utah Republican Party scrambling to come up with a strategy to protect Mia Love from a potential Trump nomination.
So no, I don't think she's all that excited about being his VP.
So no, I don't think she's all that excited about being his VP.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2016 05:01 PM (/tuJf)
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I don't get how this is a bad deal for Cruz at all. Trump would have killed to work with Johnny to cut off Cruz but evidently, his deal-making skills are not as good as Cruz'.
The reason for this deal is that it obviously could help him in Indiana. It doesn't hurt Cruz in Oregon where there is a healthy Cruz ground game going. NM? Meh.
Bottom line, if any Trump fan thinks that this looks like some so-called "desperation move" when the upside is huge for Cruz and catastrophic for Trump, then you're smoking something.
Cruz is a chess player. Donald, not so much.
The reason for this deal is that it obviously could help him in Indiana. It doesn't hurt Cruz in Oregon where there is a healthy Cruz ground game going. NM? Meh.
Bottom line, if any Trump fan thinks that this looks like some so-called "desperation move" when the upside is huge for Cruz and catastrophic for Trump, then you're smoking something.
Cruz is a chess player. Donald, not so much.
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5) Acceptance
Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 25, 2016 04:58 PM (T78UI)
I progressed quickly to acceptance. Because we are all doomed and only the Lord can save us.
I will vote for Cruz tomorrow and maybe write him in in the general, but he is not my savior.
What ails country cannot be fixed by politics, so I Will do my best and trust God with the rest.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 25, 2016 04:58 PM (T78UI)
I progressed quickly to acceptance. Because we are all doomed and only the Lord can save us.
I will vote for Cruz tomorrow and maybe write him in in the general, but he is not my savior.
What ails country cannot be fixed by politics, so I Will do my best and trust God with the rest.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 05:04 PM (mBYZv)
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Trump is funny? Granted I dislike Trump but I'm still able to discern wit and a sense of humor. Trump has neither. If you've ever watched any interview , ( Howard Stern as an example) jokes fly over his head like a U-2 spy plane. Cruz has shown me his comedy chops in his interviews with Carolla and the late night shows. He also impressed me with his off the cuff quote of an entire scene from the Princess Bride. I guess humor is in the ear of the behearer.
Posted by: Joe Hallenback at April 25, 2016 05:05 PM (EWRow)
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"Interesting article in Politico just yesterday about the Utah Republican Party scrambling to come up with a strategy to protect Mia Love from a potential Trump nomination.
So no, I don't think she's all that excited about being his VP.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2016 05:01 PM (/tuJf)"
Mia Love isn't right for the VP slot on anyone's ticket yet. She's been a mayor and now a first term Congresswoman. That's not enough seasoning to run as VP. She'd be attacked just as badly as Sarah Palin was in 2008, and it would be very ugly. Give her a few more years to build her national profile, maybe expand her policy chops, and she'll be a great choice.
If the decision is to look for a minority female, look at the governors. Nikki Haley is a better choice. I would have said Susanna Martinez of NM except she had some kind of a run in with the cops recently over getting drunk at a party.
So no, I don't think she's all that excited about being his VP.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2016 05:01 PM (/tuJf)"
Mia Love isn't right for the VP slot on anyone's ticket yet. She's been a mayor and now a first term Congresswoman. That's not enough seasoning to run as VP. She'd be attacked just as badly as Sarah Palin was in 2008, and it would be very ugly. Give her a few more years to build her national profile, maybe expand her policy chops, and she'll be a great choice.
If the decision is to look for a minority female, look at the governors. Nikki Haley is a better choice. I would have said Susanna Martinez of NM except she had some kind of a run in with the cops recently over getting drunk at a party.
Posted by: Jill v2 at April 25, 2016 05:06 PM (UYQcx)
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This is not a race to become President. This is a race to be the Party Nominee. He entered it willingly, and then throws a fit when the rules don't work for him. Who does he think he is?
Posted by: Sippin_bourbon at April 25, 2016 04:58 PM (Gl74b)
This argument is bogus because the rules ARE working for him. He's winning. He's the only candidate who can win the nomination outright. He lost Colorado, but instead of just giving it up and moving on, he turned that victory into an anchor around Cruz's neck by starting these cries of "rigged!"
You think that's just his id talking? He tarred Cruz with that accusation and now that it's crunch time and Cruz has to keep Trump below 1237 to still have a shot at the nom every option left to him to do it will ring that little "rigged!" bell in the public's mind.
This shit is over. And it wasn't an accident, and it wasn't because everybody's stupid. That's a liberal's excuse.
Posted by: Sippin_bourbon at April 25, 2016 04:58 PM (Gl74b)
This argument is bogus because the rules ARE working for him. He's winning. He's the only candidate who can win the nomination outright. He lost Colorado, but instead of just giving it up and moving on, he turned that victory into an anchor around Cruz's neck by starting these cries of "rigged!"
You think that's just his id talking? He tarred Cruz with that accusation and now that it's crunch time and Cruz has to keep Trump below 1237 to still have a shot at the nom every option left to him to do it will ring that little "rigged!" bell in the public's mind.
This shit is over. And it wasn't an accident, and it wasn't because everybody's stupid. That's a liberal's excuse.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 05:06 PM (xuouz)
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Trumpkims never post data, analysia, pollas, evidence. They just keep declaring they have a gut feeling he will win. Cant wait for conspiracy time come november.
Posted by: Hotdog at April 25, 2016 05:09 PM (FDSzy)
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"Cruz is a chess player. Donald, not so much."
Heh. Cruz will wake up this Wed with five more bronze medals and be 400 delegates down with Trump on a glide path to 1,237 or within the margin of delegate bribery or Kasich's 66 delegate golden ticket.
But keep choking that chicken.
Heh. Cruz will wake up this Wed with five more bronze medals and be 400 delegates down with Trump on a glide path to 1,237 or within the margin of delegate bribery or Kasich's 66 delegate golden ticket.
But keep choking that chicken.
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But you cannot complain about the battlefield, or the nature of the war. It is what it is. Everything is just plain whining.
Posted by: Sippin_bourbon at April 25, 2016 04:58 PM (Gl74b)
What people don't understand though is that Trump tapped into what the ordinary citizen thinks of politics.
The ordinary citizen believes that the system is rigged, because they don't understand that we are not a Democracy, we are Representative Republic. They believe that it's one person, one vote for everything. Majority wins.
So when they hear that Colorado last summer decided to suspend having the population vote on delegates to the convention and instead, have open delegate calls at caucuses, they believe(and it's not that far fetched) that the party bosses, the ESTABLISHMENT, in Colorado hand picked their own choices for delegates.
I have heard this directly from Democrats who are voting for Trump because they believe the above and believe he will shake up the systems.
Posted by: Sippin_bourbon at April 25, 2016 04:58 PM (Gl74b)
What people don't understand though is that Trump tapped into what the ordinary citizen thinks of politics.
The ordinary citizen believes that the system is rigged, because they don't understand that we are not a Democracy, we are Representative Republic. They believe that it's one person, one vote for everything. Majority wins.
So when they hear that Colorado last summer decided to suspend having the population vote on delegates to the convention and instead, have open delegate calls at caucuses, they believe(and it's not that far fetched) that the party bosses, the ESTABLISHMENT, in Colorado hand picked their own choices for delegates.
I have heard this directly from Democrats who are voting for Trump because they believe the above and believe he will shake up the systems.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 25, 2016 05:09 PM (1rAS0)
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>>Mia Love isn't right for the VP slot on anyone's ticket yet. She's been a mayor and now a first term Congresswoman. That's not enough seasoning to run as VP.
Well it wasn't me suggesting her but she would be the undercard to a guy with exactly zero elected experience at any level so she would be the experienced one of the two.
Well it wasn't me suggesting her but she would be the undercard to a guy with exactly zero elected experience at any level so she would be the experienced one of the two.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2016 05:09 PM (/tuJf)
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Trump is funny? Granted I dislike Trump but I'm still able to discern wit and a sense of humor. Trump has neither. If you've ever watched any interview , ( Howard Stern as an example) jokes fly over his head like a U-2 spy plane. Cruz has shown me his comedy chops in his interviews with Carolla and the late night shows. He also impressed me with his off the cuff quote of an entire scene from the Princess Bride. I guess humor is in the ear of the behearer.
Posted by: Joe Hallenback at April 25, 2016 05:05 PM (EWRow)
He was also good in his skit with Jimmy Fallon.
I don't know. I find Trump's ridiculous behavior entertaining once I remind myself he can't help but be a buffoon. In the extremely unlikely event he becomes president, for the first time in my life, I will tune in regularly to watch a politician speak, if only to see the latest trainwreck live.
Posted by: Joe Hallenback at April 25, 2016 05:05 PM (EWRow)
He was also good in his skit with Jimmy Fallon.
I don't know. I find Trump's ridiculous behavior entertaining once I remind myself he can't help but be a buffoon. In the extremely unlikely event he becomes president, for the first time in my life, I will tune in regularly to watch a politician speak, if only to see the latest trainwreck live.
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He's winning.
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This shit is over.
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He may be winning, but he hasn't one. I know you all want this to be over, but many (maybe even more of us) do not want this to be over. We want someone else.
So we will see. Trump may get there, but until he does, I hope that Cruz will fight to deny him the nomination.
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This shit is over.
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He may be winning, but he hasn't one. I know you all want this to be over, but many (maybe even more of us) do not want this to be over. We want someone else.
So we will see. Trump may get there, but until he does, I hope that Cruz will fight to deny him the nomination.
Posted by: SH at April 25, 2016 05:10 PM (gmeXX)
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Hotdog.
Scoreboard.
Election results are the data, the polls, and the evidence all in one. My analysis you can read above.
Ciao.
Scoreboard.
Election results are the data, the polls, and the evidence all in one. My analysis you can read above.
Ciao.
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I don't get how this is a bad deal for Cruz at all. Trump would have killed to work with Johnny to cut off Cruz but evidently, his deal-making skills are not as good as Cruz'.
All Trump had to do was sell out and make Kasich Veep to get his delegates.
The guy who wanted to amnesty illegals in the first 100 days in office.
But Cruz was able to work a deal with that. Brilliant ... I guess?
All Trump had to do was sell out and make Kasich Veep to get his delegates.
The guy who wanted to amnesty illegals in the first 100 days in office.
But Cruz was able to work a deal with that. Brilliant ... I guess?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:10 PM (uURQL)
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That's inept substitution. The Constitution is fine. America isn't fit for constitutional governance.
Not after electing Obama twice and practicing child sacrifice for 40 years.
But maybe MAGA is a starting point for a turn around. Maybe.
Spiritual revival is needed before everything else, frankly.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:01 PM (uURQL)
The Constitution is fine? How so? The context, of course being, it's application is fine and in functioning order? If that is what you meant, what are you basing that observation on, and if that is not what you meant, what did you mean?
Not after electing Obama twice and practicing child sacrifice for 40 years.
But maybe MAGA is a starting point for a turn around. Maybe.
Spiritual revival is needed before everything else, frankly.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:01 PM (uURQL)
The Constitution is fine? How so? The context, of course being, it's application is fine and in functioning order? If that is what you meant, what are you basing that observation on, and if that is not what you meant, what did you mean?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:10 PM (aRUb8)
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Posted by: Jen the original at April 25, 2016 05:09 PM (1rAS0)
So he's enforcing the ignorance of LIVs.
I guess that is to be expected.
So he's enforcing the ignorance of LIVs.
I guess that is to be expected.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 05:11 PM (mBYZv)
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for the first time in my life, I will tune in regularly to watch a politician speak, if only to see the latest trainwreck live.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 05:09 PM (mBYZv)
The Best, most Luxurious Trainwrecks you've ever seen.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 05:09 PM (mBYZv)
The Best, most Luxurious Trainwrecks you've ever seen.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:11 PM (uURQL)
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"This argument is bogus because the rules ARE working for him. He's winning. He's the only candidate who can win the nomination outright. He lost Colorado, but instead of just giving it up and moving on, he turned that victory into an anchor around Cruz's neck by starting these cries of "rigged!"
You think that's just his id talking? He tarred Cruz with that accusation and now that it's crunch time and Cruz has to keep Trump below 1237 to still have a shot at the nom every option left to him to do it will ring that little "rigged!" bell in the public's mind.
This shit is over. And it wasn't an accident, and it wasn't because everybody's stupid. That's a liberal's excuse.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 05:06 PM (xuouz)"
You're right that Trump was very clever to turn his embarrassing failures in CO, WY, etc. into a weapon against Cruz. I looked at it that it spoke well of Cruz that he had built a great grass-roots campaign, fundraised enough to put people on the ground in states way out on the calendar, and effectively won the delegates through the precinct/county/state conventions that those states chose to hold. It didn't occur to me that Trump would succeed in sliming Cruz (with media enabler help) as winning "Voterless victories". Winning by whining is a new concept.
However, this is good practice for the general election. Whichever of them becomes the nominee will need to be able to handle such tactics from the Dems.
Personally, I hope that Cruz wins the nomination and the general election. He's done the most work to prepare for running a successful general election. Trump would be winging it on the cheap. Not an encouraging strategy when dealing with the Clinton machine.
You think that's just his id talking? He tarred Cruz with that accusation and now that it's crunch time and Cruz has to keep Trump below 1237 to still have a shot at the nom every option left to him to do it will ring that little "rigged!" bell in the public's mind.
This shit is over. And it wasn't an accident, and it wasn't because everybody's stupid. That's a liberal's excuse.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 05:06 PM (xuouz)"
You're right that Trump was very clever to turn his embarrassing failures in CO, WY, etc. into a weapon against Cruz. I looked at it that it spoke well of Cruz that he had built a great grass-roots campaign, fundraised enough to put people on the ground in states way out on the calendar, and effectively won the delegates through the precinct/county/state conventions that those states chose to hold. It didn't occur to me that Trump would succeed in sliming Cruz (with media enabler help) as winning "Voterless victories". Winning by whining is a new concept.
However, this is good practice for the general election. Whichever of them becomes the nominee will need to be able to handle such tactics from the Dems.
Personally, I hope that Cruz wins the nomination and the general election. He's done the most work to prepare for running a successful general election. Trump would be winging it on the cheap. Not an encouraging strategy when dealing with the Clinton machine.
Posted by: Jill v2 at April 25, 2016 05:12 PM (UYQcx)
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252 Face it, Trumpsters, H will beat him like a dog, Drudge's phony polls notwithstanding.
And with the way he is conducting himself, what Republican is there in our universe who will run with him as the VP candidate?
Who would sully their name and future like that?
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Trumpsters? I guess we're still slinging that shit here. Whatever.
Let's revisit this discussion in about five months and see if you're still confident. The one thing I've taken from this cycle is that the game and it's rules has been changed. Like it or not.
For kicks, read what five thirty eight predicted not that long ago. Chart after chart of proven models up in flames. The fact is that no one can accurately predict what's going to happen.
And with the way he is conducting himself, what Republican is there in our universe who will run with him as the VP candidate?
Who would sully their name and future like that?
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Trumpsters? I guess we're still slinging that shit here. Whatever.
Let's revisit this discussion in about five months and see if you're still confident. The one thing I've taken from this cycle is that the game and it's rules has been changed. Like it or not.
For kicks, read what five thirty eight predicted not that long ago. Chart after chart of proven models up in flames. The fact is that no one can accurately predict what's going to happen.
Posted by: Community Organizer at April 25, 2016 05:13 PM (GN7Er)
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What people don't understand though is that Trump tapped into what the ordinary citizen thinks of politics.
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I think people understand this. Trump was probably wise to whine about it. It was a perfectly fair card for him to play, just as it was fair for Cruz to play for delegates.
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I think people understand this. Trump was probably wise to whine about it. It was a perfectly fair card for him to play, just as it was fair for Cruz to play for delegates.
Posted by: SH at April 25, 2016 05:13 PM (gmeXX)
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The Constitution is fine? How so? The context, of course being, it's application is fine and in functioning order? If that is what you meant, what are you basing that observation on, and if that is not what you meant, what did you mean?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:10 PM (aRUb
The Constitution is a document. The Constitution isn't a person who cares whether we as a nation follow it or not. It's a set of important words, but it's no Word of God made flesh.
America, on the other hand, is a nation made up of Americans who have been badly served by its current political leadership.
Americans need relief. The document? Not so much. It's not an idol to be worshipped.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:10 PM (aRUb
The Constitution is a document. The Constitution isn't a person who cares whether we as a nation follow it or not. It's a set of important words, but it's no Word of God made flesh.
America, on the other hand, is a nation made up of Americans who have been badly served by its current political leadership.
Americans need relief. The document? Not so much. It's not an idol to be worshipped.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:14 PM (uURQL)
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336
Trumpkims never post data, analysia, pollas, evidence. They just keep
declaring they have a gut feeling he will win.
Posted by: Hotdog at April 25, 2016 05:09 PM (FDSzy)
What bothers me more is their gut feeling that he will "Fundamentally transform the United States of America"...the only thing I can think of is "people are actually falling for that bullshit AGAIN???"
Trumpkims never post data, analysia, pollas, evidence. They just keep
declaring they have a gut feeling he will win.
Posted by: Hotdog at April 25, 2016 05:09 PM (FDSzy)
What bothers me more is their gut feeling that he will "Fundamentally transform the United States of America"...the only thing I can think of is "people are actually falling for that bullshit AGAIN???"
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:15 PM (aRUb8)
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@338.
Dems for Trump? That's because they want the GOP destroyed, And Conservatism marginalized.
Dems for Trump? That's because they want the GOP destroyed, And Conservatism marginalized.
Posted by: Sippin_bourbon at April 25, 2016 05:15 PM (Gl74b)
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The Best, most Luxurious Trainwrecks you've ever seen.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:11 PM (uURQL)
Yes!
He would have accomplished the impossible as I don't care to listen to politicians any more than I usually have to.
I'm supporting Cruz (he's the first ppl I've donated to since I became a citizen, yay! ) but I tend to avoid listening to interviews with him.
Although the snippet I watched of Anderson Cooper interviews the family was charming. His daughters are adorable.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:11 PM (uURQL)
Yes!
He would have accomplished the impossible as I don't care to listen to politicians any more than I usually have to.
I'm supporting Cruz (he's the first ppl I've donated to since I became a citizen, yay! ) but I tend to avoid listening to interviews with him.
Although the snippet I watched of Anderson Cooper interviews the family was charming. His daughters are adorable.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 05:16 PM (mBYZv)
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342, another child. Has no idea there is no correlation between winning 1/3 of a primary and a general election. Additionally none between primary and ge turnout. You provide no anaylsis, beyond the kind that children and sub 80 iq fools think are relevant.
Have the conspiracies ready for november. Cant wait to hear about stabbing in the back.
Have the conspiracies ready for november. Cant wait to hear about stabbing in the back.
Posted by: Hotdog at April 25, 2016 05:16 PM (FDSzy)
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Americans need relief. The document? Not so much. It's not an idol to be worshipped.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens
America was based and built upon and idea - that idea is contained within our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens
America was based and built upon and idea - that idea is contained within our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Posted by: Cheri at April 25, 2016 05:18 PM (oiNtH)
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I had two fears for this election.
Firstly, that Trump would work with Kasich. That would indicate to me that he is precisely the liberal saboteur truecons accuse him of being.
Secondly, that Hillary would wrangle Bernie onto the ticket and harness the young communist fervor behind him.
Both are looking like they won't happen.
Firstly, that Trump would work with Kasich. That would indicate to me that he is precisely the liberal saboteur truecons accuse him of being.
Secondly, that Hillary would wrangle Bernie onto the ticket and harness the young communist fervor behind him.
Both are looking like they won't happen.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 05:19 PM (xuouz)
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Winning for now, but not the same as won.
It ain't over till it's over.-
It ain't over till it's over.-
Posted by: Sippin_bourbon at April 25, 2016 05:20 PM (Gl74b)
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" >>Mia Love isn't right for the VP slot on anyone's ticket yet. She's been a mayor and now a first term Congresswoman. That's not enough seasoning to run as VP.
Well it wasn't me suggesting her but she would be the undercard to a guy with exactly zero elected experience at any level so she would be the experienced one of the two.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2016 05:09 PM (/tuJf)"
True, and I don't think that would be helpful. In 2008, Sarah Palin had more executive experience than McCain, Biden, or Obama. That was worthless in the election.
In 1988 Mike Dukakis tapped Sen. Lloyd Bentsen to be his running mate. It was seen as a great choice when compared to Bush picking Sen. Dan Quayle. Remember all the jokes Quayle? However, come election day Bush won. People vote for the top of the ticket not the bottom. The best a VP choice can do is to work well with the nominee, be a good attack surrogate, and not do/say/etc. something that hurts the ticket.
Mia Love would be unfairly slimed as a token candidate because she's a black Republican female. We'd spend the campaign trying to defend her and shine a light on the Dems complete willingness to use racism/sexism to get their way.
Well it wasn't me suggesting her but she would be the undercard to a guy with exactly zero elected experience at any level so she would be the experienced one of the two.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2016 05:09 PM (/tuJf)"
True, and I don't think that would be helpful. In 2008, Sarah Palin had more executive experience than McCain, Biden, or Obama. That was worthless in the election.
In 1988 Mike Dukakis tapped Sen. Lloyd Bentsen to be his running mate. It was seen as a great choice when compared to Bush picking Sen. Dan Quayle. Remember all the jokes Quayle? However, come election day Bush won. People vote for the top of the ticket not the bottom. The best a VP choice can do is to work well with the nominee, be a good attack surrogate, and not do/say/etc. something that hurts the ticket.
Mia Love would be unfairly slimed as a token candidate because she's a black Republican female. We'd spend the campaign trying to defend her and shine a light on the Dems complete willingness to use racism/sexism to get their way.
Posted by: Jill v2 at April 25, 2016 05:20 PM (UYQcx)
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I can't say I know a lot about Mia Love - but as an up and commer, it would seem odd to me that she would want to join with Trump - a very risky move, no?
Posted by: SH at April 25, 2016 05:22 PM (gmeXX)
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One thing is certain: Trump will never, ever, ever attain the Presidency.
Everything else is up for grabs.
Everything else is up for grabs.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at April 25, 2016 05:23 PM (k8tEg)
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Americans need relief. The document? Not so much. It's not an idol to be worshipped.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:14 PM (uURQL)
I disagree. "The document" is a piece of paper..much like a marriage certificate or the Bible. The practice of either is much more. Don't you agree? You seem close to the sensibility of the 60's, that declared that "It's just a piece of paper". They missed the whole point. If not a return to the road map and values of the Constitution, what do you suggest?
Americans need relief. The document? Not so much. It's not an idol to be worshipped.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:14 PM (uURQL)
I disagree. "The document" is a piece of paper..much like a marriage certificate or the Bible. The practice of either is much more. Don't you agree? You seem close to the sensibility of the 60's, that declared that "It's just a piece of paper". They missed the whole point. If not a return to the road map and values of the Constitution, what do you suggest?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:23 PM (aRUb8)
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Your name is Hotdog, don't go babbling about other people's IQs.
There's a certain kind of person who wants charts, polls, numbers, trendlines, bar graphs, spreadsheets, regression analyses, data Data DATA! This type of person does great in healthcare, academia, government, and banking.
And is having a really hard time dealing with this election.
I do love your tactic of mocking me for behavior that apparently I'm certain to exhibit in six and a half months, though.
There's a certain kind of person who wants charts, polls, numbers, trendlines, bar graphs, spreadsheets, regression analyses, data Data DATA! This type of person does great in healthcare, academia, government, and banking.
And is having a really hard time dealing with this election.
I do love your tactic of mocking me for behavior that apparently I'm certain to exhibit in six and a half months, though.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 05:23 PM (xuouz)
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"Trumpkims never post data, analysia, pollas, evidence. They just keep
declaring they have a gut feeling he will win. "
Horseshit. We've been over this.
How Trump can win.
Start with the 2012 Romney electoral map which is mostly solid red.
Add Florida, where Trump has strength. Add two to four states like Ohio, where there are lots of pissed off working class, not all white. Drive up Hillary's negatives, so that people who would never pull an R lever stay home, which is effectively half a vote for Trump. Bernie supporters are very susceptible to this.
Trump can lose the popular vote by 5 million and still be way over 271 electoral votes. Who cares if you lose MA and MD by 30%.
Cruz can't do this. Romney/Ryan/Kasich will do better in states the R's will likely lose, and if R/R/K were to win, what's the point.
declaring they have a gut feeling he will win. "
Horseshit. We've been over this.
How Trump can win.
Start with the 2012 Romney electoral map which is mostly solid red.
Add Florida, where Trump has strength. Add two to four states like Ohio, where there are lots of pissed off working class, not all white. Drive up Hillary's negatives, so that people who would never pull an R lever stay home, which is effectively half a vote for Trump. Bernie supporters are very susceptible to this.
Trump can lose the popular vote by 5 million and still be way over 271 electoral votes. Who cares if you lose MA and MD by 30%.
Cruz can't do this. Romney/Ryan/Kasich will do better in states the R's will likely lose, and if R/R/K were to win, what's the point.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2016 05:24 PM (r1fLd)
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>>I can't say I know a lot about Mia Love - but as an up and commer, it would seem odd to me that she would want to join with Trump - a very risky move, no?
She doesn't. She's a Cruz supporter.
She doesn't. She's a Cruz supporter.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2016 05:24 PM (/tuJf)
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Winning for now, but not the same as won.
It ain't over till it's over.-
Posted by: Sippin_bourbon at April 25, 2016 05:20 PM (Gl74b)
Exactly what I've been saying. So stop grousing about this Hillary presidency. We'll be spared that. And you'll find something else to rag on ole Donald for, I'm sure of it.
It ain't over till it's over.-
Posted by: Sippin_bourbon at April 25, 2016 05:20 PM (Gl74b)
Exactly what I've been saying. So stop grousing about this Hillary presidency. We'll be spared that. And you'll find something else to rag on ole Donald for, I'm sure of it.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 05:24 PM (xuouz)
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America was based and built upon and idea - that idea is contained within our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Posted by: Cheri at April 25, 2016 05:18 PM (oiNtH)
Exactly.
Posted by: Cheri at April 25, 2016 05:18 PM (oiNtH)
Exactly.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:25 PM (aRUb8)
Posted by: SH at April 25, 2016 05:25 PM (gmeXX)
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Exactly what I've been saying. So stop grousing about this Hillary presidency. We'll be spared that. And you'll find something else to rag on ole Donald for, I'm sure of it.
He certainly makes it easy...
He certainly makes it easy...
Posted by: donna at April 25, 2016 05:25 PM (O2RFr)
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Further to me @363
This is a weird cycle. Favorables don't corrallate with winning. Turnout within cohorts can be very different than 2008 and 2012. Depending on how you dial these in to an actual electoral map, you can get very different results.
This is a weird cycle. Favorables don't corrallate with winning. Turnout within cohorts can be very different than 2008 and 2012. Depending on how you dial these in to an actual electoral map, you can get very different results.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2016 05:27 PM (r1fLd)
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So he's enforcing the ignorance of LIVs.
I guess that is to be expected.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 05:11 PM (mBYZv)
He's trying to get elected. I know we don't like to play the game this way, but it's how it's played. Our last two candidates tried to play the electorate differently and got their ass handed to them and the rest of us have gotten to experience their failures.
McCain refused to say anything negative about the clean articulate black man. Romney decided not to bring up our war failures, including Benghazi. Neither of them tried in any way to tap into the short attention span of the average voter in the country.
Trump, whether we wish it were different or not, is getting into voter's basest feelings and anger. He is actually doing what Democrats, do, and that is making everything about feelings and retribution and making it equal, etc. Which is why he is attractive to Democrats, since so many of them base their decisions off of emotions.
At his rallies, he talks to people like he is in their rec room, sucking back a beer while the game is on and talking about what is wrong with this country. His interviews have been more cerebral, and I'm betting that Ben Carson was right. Get him one on one or in a business meeting type setting and he'll be "presidential", i.e. he won't talk on and on in low brow chatter, etc.
But that connection to the voting population is real via his rallies and appearances, because he seems to be like your buddy next door, the one who you also know was smart enough to amass billions in businesses. It's very attractive to the average voter, who believes Trump actually understands them personally.
I guess that is to be expected.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 25, 2016 05:11 PM (mBYZv)
He's trying to get elected. I know we don't like to play the game this way, but it's how it's played. Our last two candidates tried to play the electorate differently and got their ass handed to them and the rest of us have gotten to experience their failures.
McCain refused to say anything negative about the clean articulate black man. Romney decided not to bring up our war failures, including Benghazi. Neither of them tried in any way to tap into the short attention span of the average voter in the country.
Trump, whether we wish it were different or not, is getting into voter's basest feelings and anger. He is actually doing what Democrats, do, and that is making everything about feelings and retribution and making it equal, etc. Which is why he is attractive to Democrats, since so many of them base their decisions off of emotions.
At his rallies, he talks to people like he is in their rec room, sucking back a beer while the game is on and talking about what is wrong with this country. His interviews have been more cerebral, and I'm betting that Ben Carson was right. Get him one on one or in a business meeting type setting and he'll be "presidential", i.e. he won't talk on and on in low brow chatter, etc.
But that connection to the voting population is real via his rallies and appearances, because he seems to be like your buddy next door, the one who you also know was smart enough to amass billions in businesses. It's very attractive to the average voter, who believes Trump actually understands them personally.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 25, 2016 05:27 PM (1rAS0)
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"I can't say I know a lot about Mia Love - but as an up and commer, it would seem odd to me that she would want to join with Trump - a very risky move, no?
Posted by: SH at April 25, 2016 05:22 PM (gmeXX)"
Yes, very high risk. Better to campaign for reelection to the House. If this goes badly, we'll have every House and Senate candidate fighting hard to win seats and not just the ones in typically competitive areas.
If Trump becomes the nominee, he'll need to look for someone that's currently in office and willing to take a chance on running with him. Probably a governor or senator that isn't up for re-election for at least 2 years. Or someone whose term is ending and isn't running for re-election. Not one of the former competitors he trashed.
If Cruz becomes the nominee, he'll have much more freedom to choose someone unless he has to make a deal with Kasich to get his delegates' support in a 2nd ballot.
Posted by: SH at April 25, 2016 05:22 PM (gmeXX)"
Yes, very high risk. Better to campaign for reelection to the House. If this goes badly, we'll have every House and Senate candidate fighting hard to win seats and not just the ones in typically competitive areas.
If Trump becomes the nominee, he'll need to look for someone that's currently in office and willing to take a chance on running with him. Probably a governor or senator that isn't up for re-election for at least 2 years. Or someone whose term is ending and isn't running for re-election. Not one of the former competitors he trashed.
If Cruz becomes the nominee, he'll have much more freedom to choose someone unless he has to make a deal with Kasich to get his delegates' support in a 2nd ballot.
Posted by: Jill v2 at April 25, 2016 05:27 PM (UYQcx)
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@350 and 355
Not to be pedantic but I'll be pedantic.
Our founding ethos is best reflected in the Declaration, and specifically the concept of inalienable rights granted by God and Nature, which no government, as an expedient institution created by man, may take away without forfeiting the legitimacy of the government.
The Constitution is the practical exposition of that ethos. The rest is just chin music.
Not to be pedantic but I'll be pedantic.
Our founding ethos is best reflected in the Declaration, and specifically the concept of inalienable rights granted by God and Nature, which no government, as an expedient institution created by man, may take away without forfeiting the legitimacy of the government.
The Constitution is the practical exposition of that ethos. The rest is just chin music.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at April 25, 2016 05:27 PM (k8tEg)
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>>Exactly what I've been saying. So stop grousing about this Hillary presidency. We'll be spared that. And you'll find something else to rag on ole Donald for, I'm sure of it.
I'm equally sure that no matter what he does, what position he flips on, you will continue to ignore it and support him.
I'm equally sure that no matter what he does, what position he flips on, you will continue to ignore it and support him.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2016 05:28 PM (/tuJf)
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"That's just silly. Cruz can win FL and OH."
Because he'll convince Joe the Plumber in Ohio that he's really, really for the little guy, and Manuela in Florida that's he's really, really Hispanic.
If you believe that you don't know many plumbers or many Hispanics.
Because he'll convince Joe the Plumber in Ohio that he's really, really for the little guy, and Manuela in Florida that's he's really, really Hispanic.
If you believe that you don't know many plumbers or many Hispanics.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2016 05:29 PM (r1fLd)
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It's like he starts to go full retard when he's winning. Just the type of person we want in power. Fucking maniac.
Posted by: West Town at April 25, 2016 05:30 PM (QnMwC)
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Because he'll convince Joe the Plumber in Ohio that he's really, really for the little guy, and Manuela in Florida that's he's really, really Hispanic.
If you believe that you don't know many plumbers or many Hispanics.
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So you're admitting that the way to win is to not be conservative - but more liberal.
If you believe that you don't know many plumbers or many Hispanics.
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So you're admitting that the way to win is to not be conservative - but more liberal.
Posted by: SH at April 25, 2016 05:30 PM (gmeXX)
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I'm equally sure that no matter what he does, what position he flips on, you will continue to ignore it and support him.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2016 05:28 PM (/tuJf)
When we cross that bridge I'll figure it out.
He hasn't flipped on anything thus far, though.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2016 05:28 PM (/tuJf)
When we cross that bridge I'll figure it out.
He hasn't flipped on anything thus far, though.
Posted by: Ronald McDonald at April 25, 2016 05:30 PM (xuouz)
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"Winning for now, but not the same as won.
It ain't over till it's over.-
Posted by: Sippin_bourbon at April 25, 2016 05:20 PM (Gl74b)
Exactly what I've been saying. So stop grousing about this Hillary presidency. We'll be spared that. And you'll find something else to rag on ole Donald for, I'm sure of it.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 05:24 PM (xuouz)"
You don't know that we'll be spared a Hillary presidency. I'm strongly convinced that Trump would lose badly in a general election, but if he's the nominee I'll hope for the best and vote for him.
There is no way to be sure at this time that it would be a ghastly landslide loss, but there's certainly enough evidence to suggest that Hillary could beat him.
So the reassurance we won't have to worry about Hillary strikes me as very premature.
It ain't over till it's over.-
Posted by: Sippin_bourbon at April 25, 2016 05:20 PM (Gl74b)
Exactly what I've been saying. So stop grousing about this Hillary presidency. We'll be spared that. And you'll find something else to rag on ole Donald for, I'm sure of it.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 05:24 PM (xuouz)"
You don't know that we'll be spared a Hillary presidency. I'm strongly convinced that Trump would lose badly in a general election, but if he's the nominee I'll hope for the best and vote for him.
There is no way to be sure at this time that it would be a ghastly landslide loss, but there's certainly enough evidence to suggest that Hillary could beat him.
So the reassurance we won't have to worry about Hillary strikes me as very premature.
Posted by: Jill v2 at April 25, 2016 05:30 PM (UYQcx)
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Americans need relief. The document? Not so much. It's not an idol to be worshipped.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:14 PM (uURQL)
I disagree. "The document" is a piece of paper..much like a marriage certificate or the Bible. The practice of either is much more. Don't you agree?
The Constitution is a document. The practice of the Constitution is something else. The Constitution is fine. America is not.
You seem close to the sensibility of the 60's, that declared that "It's just a piece of paper". They missed the whole point. If not a return to the road map and values of the Constitution, what do you suggest?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:23 PM (aRUb
You went wrong at "seem". I suggest committing triage by electing Trump, running on MAGA. And then re-evaluating in light of his presidency.
When Justice Roberts can say ACA is a tax, Constitutional is just a punchline. Hang the Supreme Court and start over?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:14 PM (uURQL)
I disagree. "The document" is a piece of paper..much like a marriage certificate or the Bible. The practice of either is much more. Don't you agree?
The Constitution is a document. The practice of the Constitution is something else. The Constitution is fine. America is not.
You seem close to the sensibility of the 60's, that declared that "It's just a piece of paper". They missed the whole point. If not a return to the road map and values of the Constitution, what do you suggest?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:23 PM (aRUb
You went wrong at "seem". I suggest committing triage by electing Trump, running on MAGA. And then re-evaluating in light of his presidency.
When Justice Roberts can say ACA is a tax, Constitutional is just a punchline. Hang the Supreme Court and start over?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:31 PM (uURQL)
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NO! Toy thread sock followed me into the trumpenkrieg thread : |
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 05:31 PM (xuouz)
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Seriously JackStraw what has he reversed position on thus far?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 05:32 PM (xuouz)
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>>He hasn't flipped on anything thus far, though.
Oh yes he has. He used to support abortion including partial birth abortion. Now he's against abortion and even thinks women should face legal jeopardy for having an abortion.
He was totally going to kick all illegals out! Until he decided to let the good ones back in.
The list goes on and on. I know it's inconvenient for Trump supporters but Trump actually has a history that predates the beginning of this race and in that history he was a very liberal Democrat.
Oh yes he has. He used to support abortion including partial birth abortion. Now he's against abortion and even thinks women should face legal jeopardy for having an abortion.
He was totally going to kick all illegals out! Until he decided to let the good ones back in.
The list goes on and on. I know it's inconvenient for Trump supporters but Trump actually has a history that predates the beginning of this race and in that history he was a very liberal Democrat.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2016 05:34 PM (/tuJf)
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The Constitution is the practical exposition of that ethos. The rest is just chin music.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at April 25, 2016 05:27 PM (k8tEg)
I agree.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at April 25, 2016 05:27 PM (k8tEg)
I agree.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:36 PM (aRUb8)
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Ace!!
This just shows how Trump acts as a sort of Kryptonite to your objectivity.
If it wasn't, you'd be predicting that this is yet the latest example of how Trump's opponents try to take a shot at His Donaldness - and it richocets off him and injures the shooter. And you would have sounded so darned SMART saying it.
It's obvious. Cruz just branded himself as being the same kind of loser as Kasich, and they both just confirmed that the establishment is out to get him. Trump's a BS-er, but he's right - this really IS an act of desperation, and it's too little too late.
This just shows how Trump acts as a sort of Kryptonite to your objectivity.
If it wasn't, you'd be predicting that this is yet the latest example of how Trump's opponents try to take a shot at His Donaldness - and it richocets off him and injures the shooter. And you would have sounded so darned SMART saying it.
It's obvious. Cruz just branded himself as being the same kind of loser as Kasich, and they both just confirmed that the establishment is out to get him. Trump's a BS-er, but he's right - this really IS an act of desperation, and it's too little too late.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 25, 2016 05:38 PM (/q6+P)
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Seriously JackStraw what has he reversed position on thus far?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 05:32 PM (xuouz)
For supporting someone you sure don't pay attention. I just pointed out that he flipped on denying people on the no fly lists from purchasing a gun. He most recently flipped on criminality of the mother on abortions. He has flipped on allowing in Syrian refugees. He flipped on H2b visas before he flipped back. these are issues he has flipped and flipped just during this election. If you include all of his flip flops before he entered the race to now that's a long long list.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 25, 2016 05:32 PM (xuouz)
For supporting someone you sure don't pay attention. I just pointed out that he flipped on denying people on the no fly lists from purchasing a gun. He most recently flipped on criminality of the mother on abortions. He has flipped on allowing in Syrian refugees. He flipped on H2b visas before he flipped back. these are issues he has flipped and flipped just during this election. If you include all of his flip flops before he entered the race to now that's a long long list.
Posted by: Joe Hallenback at April 25, 2016 05:39 PM (EWRow)
Posted by: Ralph at April 25, 2016 05:41 PM (ajJoO)
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"Lyin' Ted Cruz and 1 for 38 Kasich are unable to beat me on their own so they have to team up (collusion) in a two on one. Shows weakness!"
Substitute Britain and France for the people named, and you get the idea.
Substitute Britain and France for the people named, and you get the idea.
Posted by: Ted Tendentious at April 25, 2016 05:41 PM (J3UIw)
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You went wrong at "seem". I suggest committing
triage by electing Trump, running on MAGA. And then re-evaluating in
light of his presidency.
When Justice Roberts can say ACA is a tax, Constitutional is just a punchline. Hang the Supreme Court and start over?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:31 PM
You're changing the subject.
The context of the sentence claiming you "seem" was to your claim of the Constitution being just a "document", like the 60's hippie folk claimed that marriage or the Bible were just "pieces of paper" (a document).
I could do the same and claim that your idea of "triage" was just an idea.
In my opinion, there would be no time or process to "re-evaluate" after another 4 years of extremist liberal policies. "Lets elect a New York liberal....that'll show 'em!" is, not only a loser idea imo, but a fatal one.
triage by electing Trump, running on MAGA. And then re-evaluating in
light of his presidency.
When Justice Roberts can say ACA is a tax, Constitutional is just a punchline. Hang the Supreme Court and start over?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:31 PM
You're changing the subject.
The context of the sentence claiming you "seem" was to your claim of the Constitution being just a "document", like the 60's hippie folk claimed that marriage or the Bible were just "pieces of paper" (a document).
I could do the same and claim that your idea of "triage" was just an idea.
In my opinion, there would be no time or process to "re-evaluate" after another 4 years of extremist liberal policies. "Lets elect a New York liberal....that'll show 'em!" is, not only a loser idea imo, but a fatal one.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:42 PM (aRUb8)
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Where did all the Cruz moonies who despised KatShit go? Principles, principles....
Posted by: Harry S. Crotum at April 25, 2016 05:44 PM (RvzRN)
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For all intents and purposes, the constitution is effectively what five maniacs think it says.
Maybe in America 2.0 with people 2.0 it can be a different reality.
Maybe in America 2.0 with people 2.0 it can be a different reality.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 25, 2016 05:45 PM (OtqMl)
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TRUMP!
Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 25, 2016 05:45 PM (BS8yt)
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I don't know how Cruz can look anyone in the eyes again. Just bow out dude and back the leader. It's overdue.
Posted by: Drider at April 25, 2016 05:46 PM (6Xbsz)
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"Where did all the Cruz moonies who despised KatShit go? Principles, principles...."
Principles with some people, like Cruz are not iron clad rules. They are more like ever shifting guide lines.
Principles with some people, like Cruz are not iron clad rules. They are more like ever shifting guide lines.
Posted by: Drider at April 25, 2016 05:48 PM (6Xbsz)
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389 Where did all the Cruz moonies who despised KatShit go? Principles, principles....
Posted by: Harry S. Crotum at April 25, 2016 05:44 PM (RvzRN)
He's teaming up with Kasich on state primaries not policy you brain dead Trump supporter. If Kasich had decided to drop out and endorse Trump you would be Trumpeting that crap like you won the SuperBowl.
Posted by: Harry S. Crotum at April 25, 2016 05:44 PM (RvzRN)
He's teaming up with Kasich on state primaries not policy you brain dead Trump supporter. If Kasich had decided to drop out and endorse Trump you would be Trumpeting that crap like you won the SuperBowl.
Posted by: Joe Hallenback at April 25, 2016 05:48 PM (EWRow)
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by: Drider at April 25, 2016 05:48 PM (6Xbsz)
Another Trump supporter dipping his toe in the irony pool.
Another Trump supporter dipping his toe in the irony pool.
Posted by: Joe Hallenback at April 25, 2016 05:50 PM (EWRow)
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389
Where did all the Cruz moonies who despised KatShit go? Principles, principles....
Posted by: Harry S. Crotum at April 25, 2016 05:44 PM (RvzRN)
What do you mean? Isn't stopping the Trumpeter Swan and returning to the Constitution what Cruz is all about?
Where did all the Cruz moonies who despised KatShit go? Principles, principles....
Posted by: Harry S. Crotum at April 25, 2016 05:44 PM (RvzRN)
What do you mean? Isn't stopping the Trumpeter Swan and returning to the Constitution what Cruz is all about?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:51 PM (aRUb8)
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"He's teaming up with Kasich..."
Enough said....
Though Lyin' Ted said he should drop out a month ago....now he's teaming up. My how things change. But hey, guess Cruz's principles change along with the state of the race like every other politician's.
The only brain dead folks around in this election are the ones who think Cruz can win more states than Romney.
Enough said....
Though Lyin' Ted said he should drop out a month ago....now he's teaming up. My how things change. But hey, guess Cruz's principles change along with the state of the race like every other politician's.
The only brain dead folks around in this election are the ones who think Cruz can win more states than Romney.
Posted by: Harry S. Crotum at April 25, 2016 05:51 PM (RvzRN)
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Let us not leave unnoticed that "Lyin' Ted" told us:
1) That he would make it to 1237 - before NY
2) That the NY result was no big deal - because it was EXPECTED, he said. And then...
3) Declared that neither HE, nor anybody ELSE could get to 1237 - after NY.
So, NY changed nothing, but he magically went from making it to 1237 to NOT being ABLE to make it to 1237.
And guess what? With the new poll results, and looking at the way all the remaining primaries work, my calculations show that Trump can most DEFINITELY get to 1237, without even any unbound delegates. And that's as a PRACTICAL matter, not just a mathematical POSSIBILTY. So that's another Lyin' Ted lie.
The biggest hiccup Trump might run into is if he doesn't get the 30 statewide delegates for winning IN, where he is 7 ahead of Cruz. That lead will probably go up, with this development, and after Trump has a huge day tomorrow.
1) That he would make it to 1237 - before NY
2) That the NY result was no big deal - because it was EXPECTED, he said. And then...
3) Declared that neither HE, nor anybody ELSE could get to 1237 - after NY.
So, NY changed nothing, but he magically went from making it to 1237 to NOT being ABLE to make it to 1237.
And guess what? With the new poll results, and looking at the way all the remaining primaries work, my calculations show that Trump can most DEFINITELY get to 1237, without even any unbound delegates. And that's as a PRACTICAL matter, not just a mathematical POSSIBILTY. So that's another Lyin' Ted lie.
The biggest hiccup Trump might run into is if he doesn't get the 30 statewide delegates for winning IN, where he is 7 ahead of Cruz. That lead will probably go up, with this development, and after Trump has a huge day tomorrow.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 25, 2016 05:52 PM (/q6+P)
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"Where did all the Cruz moonies who despised KatShit go? Principles, principles....
Posted by: Harry S. Crotum at April 25, 2016 05:44 PM (RvzRN)"
Well, I don't consider myself a "moonie", but I am a Cruz supporter and I despise Kasich. Last night my poor Mom patiently listened to me ranting about what a miserable jerk Kasich was in putting his delusional ambitions ahead of the nation's interest.
I sincerely hope Cruz will not wind up having to put Kasich on the ticket as his VP choice. However, if Cruz doesn't get the nomination, it's a moot issue. If he does get the nomination and the VP slot is the price of getting Kasich to stop blocking Cruz, well, so be it. Put him on the rubber chicken circuit and leash him to a teleprompter. It mostly worked for Obama in dealing with Biden.
Cruz has proven to be a tough campaigner. Dragging Kasich's zombie campaign along has cost him a number of states. I guess he calculated the risk of not doing well enough in IN was sufficient to justify this strategic alliance.
I'm okay with it since a) Kasich leaves IN now, b) OR & NM are proportional delegate splits so Cruz isn't losing much by not campaigning there, and c) if the May states turn out to be substantially more favorable to Cruz as expected Kasich may well become irrelevant.
Posted by: Harry S. Crotum at April 25, 2016 05:44 PM (RvzRN)"
Well, I don't consider myself a "moonie", but I am a Cruz supporter and I despise Kasich. Last night my poor Mom patiently listened to me ranting about what a miserable jerk Kasich was in putting his delusional ambitions ahead of the nation's interest.
I sincerely hope Cruz will not wind up having to put Kasich on the ticket as his VP choice. However, if Cruz doesn't get the nomination, it's a moot issue. If he does get the nomination and the VP slot is the price of getting Kasich to stop blocking Cruz, well, so be it. Put him on the rubber chicken circuit and leash him to a teleprompter. It mostly worked for Obama in dealing with Biden.
Cruz has proven to be a tough campaigner. Dragging Kasich's zombie campaign along has cost him a number of states. I guess he calculated the risk of not doing well enough in IN was sufficient to justify this strategic alliance.
I'm okay with it since a) Kasich leaves IN now, b) OR & NM are proportional delegate splits so Cruz isn't losing much by not campaigning there, and c) if the May states turn out to be substantially more favorable to Cruz as expected Kasich may well become irrelevant.
Posted by: Jill v2 at April 25, 2016 05:52 PM (UYQcx)
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You're changing the subject.
The context of the sentence claiming you "seem" was to your claim of the Constitution being just a "document", like the 60's hippie folk claimed that marriage or the Bible were just "pieces of paper" (a document).
I could do the same and claim that your idea of "triage" was just an idea.
The Consitution is a document. How is this tripping you up?
Marriage certificate is a document. A marriage is not, it's a relationship between a man and woman.
Rip up the marriage certificate, the marriage is still there.
Rip up the Constitution - America is still there. And as noted, America is unfit for Constitutional governance. But America is still here, and we either address her needs, or accept its decline into warring ethnic states.
The context of the sentence claiming you "seem" was to your claim of the Constitution being just a "document", like the 60's hippie folk claimed that marriage or the Bible were just "pieces of paper" (a document).
I could do the same and claim that your idea of "triage" was just an idea.
The Consitution is a document. How is this tripping you up?
Marriage certificate is a document. A marriage is not, it's a relationship between a man and woman.
Rip up the marriage certificate, the marriage is still there.
Rip up the Constitution - America is still there. And as noted, America is unfit for Constitutional governance. But America is still here, and we either address her needs, or accept its decline into warring ethnic states.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:53 PM (uURQL)
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The only brain dead folks around in this election are the ones who think Cruz can win more states than Romney.
Posted by: Harry S. Crotum at April 25, 2016 05:51 PM (RvzRN)
Bless your heart. Tell it like it is. Speak truth to power. Fundamentally Transform America. Power to The People!New York Values 2016!!!!
Posted by: Harry S. Crotum at April 25, 2016 05:51 PM (RvzRN)
Bless your heart. Tell it like it is. Speak truth to power. Fundamentally Transform America. Power to The People!New York Values 2016!!!!
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:55 PM (aRUb8)
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at April 25, 2016 05:55 PM (0sLvz)
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It's an RiNCe Plot; they are going to let everyone get a belly full of Trump (LIVs are just now noticing) then when they cut Ted off at the knees the populace will readily accept that fetid POS they offer.
Posted by: Ralph at April 25, 2016 05:56 PM (ajJoO)
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In my opinion, there would be no time or process to "re-evaluate" after another 4 years of extremist liberal policies. "Lets elect a New York liberal....that'll show 'em!" is, not only a loser idea imo, but a fatal one.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:42 PM (aRUb
The idea that the world literally ends after an election is nonsense.
Daily living and local community matters far more. I didn't see this before as an idealistic college student inundated in this politically oriented blog community ... but now I know better.
Short of the world bathing in nuclear fire, it cannot even be fatal. And even in that scenario ... trust not the princes of men.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:42 PM (aRUb
The idea that the world literally ends after an election is nonsense.
Daily living and local community matters far more. I didn't see this before as an idealistic college student inundated in this politically oriented blog community ... but now I know better.
Short of the world bathing in nuclear fire, it cannot even be fatal. And even in that scenario ... trust not the princes of men.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:57 PM (uURQL)
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Rip up the Constitution - America is still there.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:53 PM (uURQL)
Bullshit.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:53 PM (uURQL)
Bullshit.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:58 PM (aRUb8)
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"Another Trump supporter dipping his toe in the irony pool."
Oh know , Dear Lord. I'm a full fledged Trump supporter who is enjoying the futile, professional politicians turn they're rock solid principles into jello on the hopes that if they can repeat garbage lines long enough that the establishment that they scream and rail on against will pick them if the chicken peck their lil peckers in just the right way.
I don't have the heart or desire to tell them that they are doing that for naught. If they don't change the rules before the first ballot then it's over. Rally up behind your candidate.
Oh know , Dear Lord. I'm a full fledged Trump supporter who is enjoying the futile, professional politicians turn they're rock solid principles into jello on the hopes that if they can repeat garbage lines long enough that the establishment that they scream and rail on against will pick them if the chicken peck their lil peckers in just the right way.
I don't have the heart or desire to tell them that they are doing that for naught. If they don't change the rules before the first ballot then it's over. Rally up behind your candidate.
Posted by: Drider at April 25, 2016 05:58 PM (6Xbsz)
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What has Trump not flip flopped on?
The NC Bathrooms
Abortion
Syrian Refugees
His "hard-line stance" on illegal immigration.
His love for Hillary.
Cruz's citizenship status.
That was just what I can think of.
If you are not seeing what Trump has flip flopped on, its because of willful ignorance, which is the problem with most of his supporters. Too willing to look past the glaring problems with this person.
Problems like:
Lying.
Cheating on his wives.
Sleeping with other men's wives, and bragging about it.
Turning the entire election for the most important office in the country into a reality TV show.
Making said TV show talk about the size of his penis.
His treatment of women.
Not being the great "deal maker" he claims to be.
Not being the planner he claims to be.
Claiming to be an outsider,but then hires insiders, because he has to.
Being a progressive big government liberal.
As I have said before, he is the worst parts of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama rolled into one.
He many be the nominee, but he will never be President. He will lose.
The NC Bathrooms
Abortion
Syrian Refugees
His "hard-line stance" on illegal immigration.
His love for Hillary.
Cruz's citizenship status.
That was just what I can think of.
If you are not seeing what Trump has flip flopped on, its because of willful ignorance, which is the problem with most of his supporters. Too willing to look past the glaring problems with this person.
Problems like:
Lying.
Cheating on his wives.
Sleeping with other men's wives, and bragging about it.
Turning the entire election for the most important office in the country into a reality TV show.
Making said TV show talk about the size of his penis.
His treatment of women.
Not being the great "deal maker" he claims to be.
Not being the planner he claims to be.
Claiming to be an outsider,but then hires insiders, because he has to.
Being a progressive big government liberal.
As I have said before, he is the worst parts of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama rolled into one.
He many be the nominee, but he will never be President. He will lose.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at April 25, 2016 06:03 PM (Gl74b)
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The idea that the world literally ends after an election is nonsense.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:57 PM (uURQL)
This is a strawman.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:57 PM (uURQL)
This is a strawman.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 06:04 PM (aRUb8)
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at April 25, 2016 06:04 PM (Gl74b)
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"1 for 38 Kasich" So awesome.
I've in the #letitburn camp, so I haven't given up on Trump winning.
How awesome will the news be while he's POTUS? Classic.
Megyn Kelly: "President Trump apologized today for calling Chancellor Merkel fat and ugly and for stating that the Germans were, as a group, pretty hard to look at."
I've in the #letitburn camp, so I haven't given up on Trump winning.
How awesome will the news be while he's POTUS? Classic.
Megyn Kelly: "President Trump apologized today for calling Chancellor Merkel fat and ugly and for stating that the Germans were, as a group, pretty hard to look at."
Posted by: Anton at April 25, 2016 06:05 PM (7/zQY)
Posted by: William Eaton at April 25, 2016 06:06 PM (KhJh8)
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Cruz has proven to be a tough campaigner. Dragging Kasich's zombie campaign along has cost him a number of states.
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I was thinking that he needs Kasich for one reason.
You know that scene in the original "Total Recall".
Arnold grabs the guy on the escalator and uses him as a body shield...
Yeah, that's why he needs Kasich. Use him as Cannon Fodder for a bit.
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I was thinking that he needs Kasich for one reason.
You know that scene in the original "Total Recall".
Arnold grabs the guy on the escalator and uses him as a body shield...
Yeah, that's why he needs Kasich. Use him as Cannon Fodder for a bit.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at April 25, 2016 06:07 PM (Gl74b)
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"LOL...it looks like the deal is already starting to fall apart. "
Those made in desperation usually do.
Those made in desperation usually do.
Posted by: Skip at April 25, 2016 06:09 PM (RvzRN)
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So Donald is twitting about Kasichs "disgusting" eating? How "Presidential."
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Good thing we are "talking about the issues".
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Good thing we are "talking about the issues".
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at April 25, 2016 06:12 PM (Gl74b)
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#317 Just not in English.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at April 25, 2016 06:12 PM (NBimH)
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Rip up the Constitution - America is still there.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:53 PM (uURQL)
Bullshit.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:58 PM (aRUb
Have you noticed how the Powers That Be have ripped up the Constitution piece by piece over the past century?
Mainly using the SCOTUS to "fix" the Constitution so that we apply it opposite to its words? Such as federal authority over interstate commerce applying to a farmer working his own fields for his own needs?
Does America exist now, or not, when the likes of Obama and Roberts and the GOPe Congress wipe their butts with the Constitution every day?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:53 PM (uURQL)
Bullshit.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:58 PM (aRUb
Have you noticed how the Powers That Be have ripped up the Constitution piece by piece over the past century?
Mainly using the SCOTUS to "fix" the Constitution so that we apply it opposite to its words? Such as federal authority over interstate commerce applying to a farmer working his own fields for his own needs?
Does America exist now, or not, when the likes of Obama and Roberts and the GOPe Congress wipe their butts with the Constitution every day?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 06:13 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: William Eaton at April 25, 2016 06:15 PM (KhJh8)
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The idea that the world literally ends after an election is nonsense.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:57 PM (uURQL)
This is a strawman.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 06:04 PM (aRUb
""Lets elect a New York liberal....that'll show 'em!" is, not only a loser idea imo, but a fatal one. " - Mimzey
fatal: causing death
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 05:57 PM (uURQL)
This is a strawman.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 06:04 PM (aRUb
""Lets elect a New York liberal....that'll show 'em!" is, not only a loser idea imo, but a fatal one. " - Mimzey
fatal: causing death
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 06:15 PM (uURQL)
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Trump calling Cruz "Lyin Ted" is going to be real funny when Cruz attempts to filibuster the Trumps "comprehensive immigration reform" that specifically states that no wall will be built.
Trump will proclaim all the wonderful deals in the bill, specifically mentioning a surge in h1b1 visas to help struggling business.
Gonna be fun.
Trump will proclaim all the wonderful deals in the bill, specifically mentioning a surge in h1b1 visas to help struggling business.
Gonna be fun.
Posted by: Reality Man at April 25, 2016 06:15 PM (Ch0fq)
420
414
Poor Romney and Ryan broke out white boards to tell us all about their economic plans. Obama's team instead talked about Romney's dog on the roof of the car.
Obama is president and Romney is not...
Poor Romney and Ryan broke out white boards to tell us all about their economic plans. Obama's team instead talked about Romney's dog on the roof of the car.
Obama is president and Romney is not...
Posted by: William Eaton at April 25, 2016 06:19 PM (KhJh8)
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For being such losers, it's amazing Donald can't easily crack 60% against both of them.
Posted by: Reality Man at April 25, 2016 06:27 PM (Ch0fq)
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Why is co-opting Trump voters so difficult for these two morons ...
Ever heard of triangulation?
Smug twits.
Also, this: I think they're afraid
http://tinyurl.com/zv7y9h2
Ever heard of triangulation?
Smug twits.
Also, this: I think they're afraid
http://tinyurl.com/zv7y9h2
Posted by: g6loq at April 25, 2016 06:39 PM (zj+JZ)
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Have you noticed how the Powers That Be have ripped up the Constitution piece by piece over the past century?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 06:13 PM (uURQL)
Yes.
What does that have to do with your claim that the Constitution is "just a document"?
Have you noticed how the Powers That Be have ripped up the Constitution piece by piece over the past century?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 06:13 PM (uURQL)
Yes.
What does that have to do with your claim that the Constitution is "just a document"?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 06:42 PM (aRUb8)
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Yes. What does that have to do with your claim that the Constitution is "just a document"?
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 06:42 PM (aRUb
Are you trying to quote me? Because I did not say the phrase you put in between the quotation marks.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 06:42 PM (aRUb
Are you trying to quote me? Because I did not say the phrase you put in between the quotation marks.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 06:46 PM (uURQL)
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""Lets elect a New York liberal....that'll show 'em!" is, not only a loser idea imo, but a fatal one. " - Mimzey
fatal: causing death
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 06:15 PM (uURQL)
418The idea that the world literally ends after an election is nonsense.
===--...
That still is a strawman.Can you repost where I claimed that "the world will literally end after an election"??
fatal: causing death
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 06:15 PM (uURQL)
418The idea that the world literally ends after an election is nonsense.
===--...
That still is a strawman.Can you repost where I claimed that "the world will literally end after an election"??
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 06:54 PM (aRUb8)
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422 "...
Also, this: I think they're afraid
http://tinyurl.com/zv7y9h2 "
That's pretty hilarious.
Also, this: I think they're afraid
http://tinyurl.com/zv7y9h2 "
That's pretty hilarious.
Posted by: Optimizer at April 25, 2016 06:54 PM (/q6+P)
427
422 Why is co-opting Trump voters so difficult for these two morons ...
Ever heard of triangulation?
- what good is coopting these people if they just want free shit and have no thoughts on principle. I'm fucking done. Have fun with Orange-utan!
Ever heard of triangulation?
- what good is coopting these people if they just want free shit and have no thoughts on principle. I'm fucking done. Have fun with Orange-utan!
Posted by: West Town at April 25, 2016 06:55 PM (QnMwC)
428
@421 "For being such losers, it's amazing Donald can't easily crack 60% against both of them."
Heh. That number was, what, a month ago? 40%?
Heh. That number was, what, a month ago? 40%?
Posted by: Optimizer at April 25, 2016 06:56 PM (/q6+P)
429
What bothers me more is their gut feeling that he
will "Fundamentally transform the United States of America"...the only
thing I can think of is "people are actually falling for that bullshit
AGAIN???"
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:15 PM (aRUb
Do you just make shit up or do you have a calibrated certified ouiji board to divine these 'gut feelings' of others?
will "Fundamentally transform the United States of America"...the only
thing I can think of is "people are actually falling for that bullshit
AGAIN???"
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 05:15 PM (aRUb
Do you just make shit up or do you have a calibrated certified ouiji board to divine these 'gut feelings' of others?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 25, 2016 06:57 PM (T78UI)
430
Whew! Who Farted?
Smells like Trump spirit in here ...
Smells like Trump spirit in here ...
Posted by: Garym at April 25, 2016 07:05 PM (+HYPG)
431
That still is a strawman.Can you repost where I claimed that "the world will literally end after an election"??
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 06:54 PM (aRUb
I didn't quote you. I was responding to your idea that electing Trump is a fatal error.
I don't think you have the horsepower to make this discussion meaningful.
Posted by: Mimzey at April 25, 2016 06:54 PM (aRUb
I didn't quote you. I was responding to your idea that electing Trump is a fatal error.
I don't think you have the horsepower to make this discussion meaningful.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 25, 2016 07:11 PM (uURQL)
432
About that
Posted by: David Silver at April 25, 2016 07:14 PM (DEJix)
433
Ace, the time for unity is now. Get over Trump and aim for Hillary.
Posted by: David Silver at April 25, 2016 07:17 PM (DEJix)
434
Never forget Ace already for Clinton I. Is it too far of a stretch that she'll vote for Clinton II?
Posted by: David Silver at April 25, 2016 07:21 PM (DEJix)
435
I use to comment that I would vote for Trump if he ends up being the nominee, but that is all that I would do, no money, no signs, no volunteering. BUT...
If he continues to yap his asinine mouth all over twitter, I am not even going to do that. I will write in any name and vote conservative the rest of the ballot.
If he continues to yap his asinine mouth all over twitter, I am not even going to do that. I will write in any name and vote conservative the rest of the ballot.
Posted by: jazzuscounty at April 25, 2016 07:26 PM (2vqNP)
436
- what good is coopting these people if they just want free shit and have no thoughts on principle. I'm fucking done. Have fun with Orange-utan!
Posted by: West Town at April 25, 2016 06:55 PM (QnMwC)
Terminal smugness:
http://tinyurl.com/zaba282
Posted by: West Town at April 25, 2016 06:55 PM (QnMwC)
Terminal smugness:
http://tinyurl.com/zaba282
Posted by: g6loq at April 25, 2016 07:28 PM (zj+JZ)
437
that all of Trump's campaigning and positioning up until now had been "an act",
That's wrong. The AP (purposefully?) misquoted him.
HOLLYWOOD, Fla. (AP) --- In a story April 21 about a presentation made by Donald Trump's chief lieutenants at an RNC meeting in Florida, The Associated Press reported erroneously that Trump aide Paul Manafort said, "You'll see a real different guy." The correct quote is: "You'll see a real different way."
A corrected version of the story is below:
That's wrong. The AP (purposefully?) misquoted him.
HOLLYWOOD, Fla. (AP) --- In a story April 21 about a presentation made by Donald Trump's chief lieutenants at an RNC meeting in Florida, The Associated Press reported erroneously that Trump aide Paul Manafort said, "You'll see a real different guy." The correct quote is: "You'll see a real different way."
A corrected version of the story is below:
Posted by: andycanuck at April 25, 2016 07:48 PM (jVvcc)
438
Oregon and New Mexico are strong states for Cruz. They're also small, proportional states. So basically Cruz gave Kasich jack shit. Kasich is either incompetent or extremely desperate--probably both.
Oregon: Difference between Cruz campaigning and ceding the state to Kasich is going to be 1 or 2 delegates. Except ground reports have Cruz already in position to lock down the delegates at the convention. So the delegates Cruz is "ceding" are likely to go to him anyway.
New Mexico: Even smaller than Oregon. Only needs 15% of the vote to get delegates, which Cruz can get easily even without campaigning. Again, not campaigning might cost him a delegate or 2. New Mexico is on the same day as California. A single DISTRICT in California is going to be worth more than that.
So Cruz is "working with GOPe uber demon shill Kasich" in the sense that he gave Kasich a little scrap of tattered cloth to help hide his shame. Wow, what a sell out.
Oregon: Difference between Cruz campaigning and ceding the state to Kasich is going to be 1 or 2 delegates. Except ground reports have Cruz already in position to lock down the delegates at the convention. So the delegates Cruz is "ceding" are likely to go to him anyway.
New Mexico: Even smaller than Oregon. Only needs 15% of the vote to get delegates, which Cruz can get easily even without campaigning. Again, not campaigning might cost him a delegate or 2. New Mexico is on the same day as California. A single DISTRICT in California is going to be worth more than that.
So Cruz is "working with GOPe uber demon shill Kasich" in the sense that he gave Kasich a little scrap of tattered cloth to help hide his shame. Wow, what a sell out.
Posted by: JT at April 25, 2016 08:24 PM (CZaQB)
439
So Trump announces he won't ever be graceful loser.
He'll be a sulky, surly whining go home and cry loser.
Time for us to be UniTED.
Donald is not a natural-born or naturalized conservative.
He's an illegal alien progressive new yorker.
Send Don the con to Scotland.
He'll be a sulky, surly whining go home and cry loser.
Time for us to be UniTED.
Donald is not a natural-born or naturalized conservative.
He's an illegal alien progressive new yorker.
Send Don the con to Scotland.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at April 25, 2016 08:35 PM (yTnTP)
440
"132
I only like Trump because the country won't survive Hillary, and while
it's true that Trump is (mostly) a NYC progressive, so was Giuliani and I
would have voted for him and slept soundly at night if he was the
president."
But I don't recall Rudy the social liberal blabbing about making the military commit war crimes, or starting a trade war with China, or telling our Asia friends to go ahead and get nukes.
Trump's an idiot AND a social liberal, but the real kicker is that Trump is now given the label "conservative" and so every stupid idiotic thing he says and does falls on conservatives. This is a huge lose / lose for us.
This is why Trump will lose in a YUGE landslide. He will move to the middle, pick up NO votes because 70% of voters know him and hate him, and the conservative cultists who support him over his bogus panders will flee him in disgust as he panders back to the liberal democrat positions he really has.
I only like Trump because the country won't survive Hillary, and while
it's true that Trump is (mostly) a NYC progressive, so was Giuliani and I
would have voted for him and slept soundly at night if he was the
president."
But I don't recall Rudy the social liberal blabbing about making the military commit war crimes, or starting a trade war with China, or telling our Asia friends to go ahead and get nukes.
Trump's an idiot AND a social liberal, but the real kicker is that Trump is now given the label "conservative" and so every stupid idiotic thing he says and does falls on conservatives. This is a huge lose / lose for us.
This is why Trump will lose in a YUGE landslide. He will move to the middle, pick up NO votes because 70% of voters know him and hate him, and the conservative cultists who support him over his bogus panders will flee him in disgust as he panders back to the liberal democrat positions he really has.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at April 25, 2016 08:41 PM (yTnTP)
441
"40
How did we get to this point where the presumptive candidates have such high negatives?"
The media gave 70% of GOP primary airtime to a foul-mouthed jerk who attacked every other candidate while pandering by making absurd and extreme proposal perfectly designed to rile up a core group of supporters while offending 70% of the voters.
Trump's a builder. Trump built it.
How did we get to this point where the presumptive candidates have such high negatives?"
The media gave 70% of GOP primary airtime to a foul-mouthed jerk who attacked every other candidate while pandering by making absurd and extreme proposal perfectly designed to rile up a core group of supporters while offending 70% of the voters.
Trump's a builder. Trump built it.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at April 25, 2016 08:42 PM (yTnTP)
442
I blame people like Huck Santorum for diluting the pool that Trump
is now the front runner. Shit, the Huckster wouldn't even be able to
win an eating contest against amazing."
THIS IS SO TRUE.
We should totally forbid vanity candidates like that.
And totally forbid ANY candidate who
1) Did not hold prior office. Trump, Carly, Carson - you ALL were wasted candidates who won't be President.
2) Is clearly a has-been and out of office too long. Huckster, that's you. Santorum, Gilmore(WTF?!?) same deal.
is now the front runner. Shit, the Huckster wouldn't even be able to
win an eating contest against amazing."
THIS IS SO TRUE.
We should totally forbid vanity candidates like that.
And totally forbid ANY candidate who
1) Did not hold prior office. Trump, Carly, Carson - you ALL were wasted candidates who won't be President.
2) Is clearly a has-been and out of office too long. Huckster, that's you. Santorum, Gilmore(WTF?!?) same deal.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at April 25, 2016 08:46 PM (yTnTP)
443
It's obvious. Cruz just branded himself as being the same kind of loser
as Kasich,"
Not really, as Cruz got the clearance to win Indiana. All upside on the 2nd most critical remaining state (the other is CA).
"and they both just confirmed that the establishment is out to
get him."
Trump's the guy with the insider-lobbying guy, Manafort, and turned his campaign over to a bunch of lobbyists, while Cruz has continued to fight a multi-front war against Trump AND an establishment that has given him almost nothing to fight Trump with. It's as if the stupid establishment decided 'oh, Cruz isn't good enough for us, lets spite our face by cutting off our nose'. The word 'establishment' has stopped meaning anything.
"Trump's a BS-er, but he's right - this really IS an act of
desperation, and it's too little too late."
It's more calculation than desperation, but they have to stop Trump in Indiana or they both lose. So good strategy.
If Kasich really wanted to stop Trump he would QUIT NOW, but the fool can't seem to get away from the fantasy that running 4th in a 3-man race is a ticket to victory.
So Cruz makes the best of the situation, make Kasich
be less annoying and harmful, and Kasich banging around in proportional
Oregon and NM keeps his burn rate down while pretending to have a chance.
Too little too late? Maybe. We'll see in a week. Trump continues to enjoy media bias in his favor to pump his bogus narratives to them, so that any standard campaign activity by Cruz is slandered as 'rigged' or crooked.
as Kasich,"
Not really, as Cruz got the clearance to win Indiana. All upside on the 2nd most critical remaining state (the other is CA).
"and they both just confirmed that the establishment is out to
get him."
Trump's the guy with the insider-lobbying guy, Manafort, and turned his campaign over to a bunch of lobbyists, while Cruz has continued to fight a multi-front war against Trump AND an establishment that has given him almost nothing to fight Trump with. It's as if the stupid establishment decided 'oh, Cruz isn't good enough for us, lets spite our face by cutting off our nose'. The word 'establishment' has stopped meaning anything.
"Trump's a BS-er, but he's right - this really IS an act of
desperation, and it's too little too late."
It's more calculation than desperation, but they have to stop Trump in Indiana or they both lose. So good strategy.
If Kasich really wanted to stop Trump he would QUIT NOW, but the fool can't seem to get away from the fantasy that running 4th in a 3-man race is a ticket to victory.
So Cruz makes the best of the situation, make Kasich
be less annoying and harmful, and Kasich banging around in proportional
Oregon and NM keeps his burn rate down while pretending to have a chance.
Too little too late? Maybe. We'll see in a week. Trump continues to enjoy media bias in his favor to pump his bogus narratives to them, so that any standard campaign activity by Cruz is slandered as 'rigged' or crooked.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at April 25, 2016 08:57 PM (yTnTP)
444
"410
"1 for 38 Kasich" So awesome.
I've in the #letitburn camp, so I haven't given up on Trump winning. "
You need to be on the #highoncrack camp to think Trump will ever be President.
Hillary camp are gleeful at how well Trump is doing.
"1 for 38 Kasich" So awesome.
I've in the #letitburn camp, so I haven't given up on Trump winning. "
You need to be on the #highoncrack camp to think Trump will ever be President.
Hillary camp are gleeful at how well Trump is doing.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at April 25, 2016 08:58 PM (yTnTP)
445
Do you just make shit up or do you have a calibrated certified ouiji board to divine these 'gut feelings' of others?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 25, 2016 06:57 PM (T78UI)
Trump's character and leanings are out there for all to see and shown by ample evidence... It is your issue and not ours that you continue to believe his current words instead of his actions.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 25, 2016 06:57 PM (T78UI)
Trump's character and leanings are out there for all to see and shown by ample evidence... It is your issue and not ours that you continue to believe his current words instead of his actions.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 25, 2016 09:35 PM (nUJM6)
446
130: "Also, during a fit of coughing, Hillary will shat herself in a campaign stop in October."
Posted by: jacke at April 25, 2016 09:46 PM (i8Shl)
447
After Obama was elected twice, I've been of the opinion that there are a lot of idiots in this country who listen to rhetoric and believe it.
If Trump gets the nomination, that just confirms I'm right. And I hate being right about this.
Oh well, another wasted election.
If Trump gets the nomination, that just confirms I'm right. And I hate being right about this.
Oh well, another wasted election.
Posted by: Garym at April 25, 2016 09:54 PM (BasZO)
448
Believe me, I'm going to enforce those borders and keep the rapists out.
Except in your public bathrooms.
Except in your public bathrooms.
Posted by: Donald F. Troop, Failed Casino Boss at April 25, 2016 10:04 PM (Ndje9)
449
Time to do some math:
http://tinyurl.com/zwq6n6e
http://tinyurl.com/zwq6n6e
Posted by: g6loq at April 25, 2016 10:25 PM (zj+JZ)
450
Alright! The anti-Trump psychos spamming a dead thread.
Here's a thread for you to comment on too, guys:
http://minx.cc:1080/?post=362742
Enjoy yourself, guys. I mean it.
Here's a thread for you to comment on too, guys:
http://minx.cc:1080/?post=362742
Enjoy yourself, guys. I mean it.
Posted by: andycanuck at April 25, 2016 10:54 PM (jVvcc)
451
Trump's dream is to lose on the 2nd or 3rd ballot, scream he was cheated, and then negotiate new TV deals.
He's become the avatar for all the single issue anti establishment types and especially, The Wall dreamers. Nothing else matters. If their avatar doesn't get the nomination, well, then they hope he and they can blow the GOP up. Not shocked to hear Limbaugh egging them on today.
He's become the avatar for all the single issue anti establishment types and especially, The Wall dreamers. Nothing else matters. If their avatar doesn't get the nomination, well, then they hope he and they can blow the GOP up. Not shocked to hear Limbaugh egging them on today.
Posted by: Junious at April 25, 2016 11:06 PM (uZtBT)
452
"Form of... A weasel who went to law school!"
"Dammit, Ted! Pick something else for a change."
"I have made my selection, as is my right, under the constitution, if you would please do likewise..."
"Alright, fine. Shape of... A damp, lukewarm dishrag."
"Gosh darn it, John. I don't see how 'wiping the orange off him' gives either of us a viable path to 1237."
"Look, I napped through the briefing, but I think it's got something to do with earth's yellow sun. Can we just try it?"
"Very well, let's go. Marco, have you got the bucket?"
"Hee hee hee hee hee!"
"Dammit, Ted! Pick something else for a change."
"I have made my selection, as is my right, under the constitution, if you would please do likewise..."
"Alright, fine. Shape of... A damp, lukewarm dishrag."
"Gosh darn it, John. I don't see how 'wiping the orange off him' gives either of us a viable path to 1237."
"Look, I napped through the briefing, but I think it's got something to do with earth's yellow sun. Can we just try it?"
"Very well, let's go. Marco, have you got the bucket?"
"Hee hee hee hee hee!"
Posted by: DTLV at April 26, 2016 01:25 AM (1FvlV)
453
How dare Trump use his bully pulpit and front-runner status to benefit his campaign and cut his opponents off at the knees! A true winner would draw no attention to things that would get him more sympathy and votes! If you say you're good at making backroom deals, then by golly you have to WIN with backroom deals even if you're demonstrably a popular candidate whose tweets are ten times as effective as anyone's talking points!
Posted by: Dystopia Max at April 26, 2016 09:56 AM (61Gds)
454
Golden 112- "GOP power brokers and insiders versus
Trump"? Are you kidding? Christie endorsed him, Manafort is running the
campaign. You can't get more establishment then that. In terms ms of
conservatism , look at who Donnie has given money to for the last 20
years and then tell me with a straight face he's a real conservative
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (a9zui)
re read my comment. I never said Trump was a conservative. In fact, I said none of them are conservative. That was my whole point. It was quite clearly made. It was the thesis of my comment. So, your argument that I am defending him as a "real conservative" is idiotic.And, I'm not saying Trump has no connections with the GOP establishment. But, the vast majority of the establishment (the "nevertrump" people) fear him not because he isn't conservative (after all, neither are they), but because they imagine he threatens their comfortable uni-party power structure. Now, whether he actually does threaten it or not is an open question. But, this idea that "nevertrump" people are just too damn principled to vote for trump are ridiculous and belied by 30+ years of actions and statements.the idea that Trump is "too vulgar" is also laughable. these people kiss democrat ass, even after dems accuse them of lynching blacks, killing the elderly, etc.
So, they aren't against trump because of conservatism nor because of "civility". Their past histories show those claims to be complete and utter b.s. So, why are they so against Trump?
Again, not claiming Trump is conservative or a savior or anything else (please read this statement as you missed it last time), instead I'm saying the nevertrump contingent is completely full of shit. They (the pundits/politicians, etc. - not the average voters) have no principles and don't care about decorum, they only care about getting and maintaining power. So, the obvious answer as to why they dislike Trump so much is that they believe (rightly or wrongly) that his candidacy somehow threatens their position/power/access.
Trump"? Are you kidding? Christie endorsed him, Manafort is running the
campaign. You can't get more establishment then that. In terms ms of
conservatism , look at who Donnie has given money to for the last 20
years and then tell me with a straight face he's a real conservative
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at April 25, 2016 04:29 PM (a9zui)
re read my comment. I never said Trump was a conservative. In fact, I said none of them are conservative. That was my whole point. It was quite clearly made. It was the thesis of my comment. So, your argument that I am defending him as a "real conservative" is idiotic.And, I'm not saying Trump has no connections with the GOP establishment. But, the vast majority of the establishment (the "nevertrump" people) fear him not because he isn't conservative (after all, neither are they), but because they imagine he threatens their comfortable uni-party power structure. Now, whether he actually does threaten it or not is an open question. But, this idea that "nevertrump" people are just too damn principled to vote for trump are ridiculous and belied by 30+ years of actions and statements.the idea that Trump is "too vulgar" is also laughable. these people kiss democrat ass, even after dems accuse them of lynching blacks, killing the elderly, etc.
So, they aren't against trump because of conservatism nor because of "civility". Their past histories show those claims to be complete and utter b.s. So, why are they so against Trump?
Again, not claiming Trump is conservative or a savior or anything else (please read this statement as you missed it last time), instead I'm saying the nevertrump contingent is completely full of shit. They (the pundits/politicians, etc. - not the average voters) have no principles and don't care about decorum, they only care about getting and maintaining power. So, the obvious answer as to why they dislike Trump so much is that they believe (rightly or wrongly) that his candidacy somehow threatens their position/power/access.
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