Thread Below the Saturday Gardening Thread [Y-not]

Busy week in the race for the GOP nomination. A few links below:

Cruz swept Colorado's district-based delegate hunt. The state-wide convention is today. Cruz will be speaking; Kasich and Trump will not.

Indiana's delegate selection process is this week. Cruz and Kasich are both expected to out-maneuver Trump.

Michigan's delegate selection process (district-wide and state convention) is this week. I tried following the results on Twitter last night, but I wasn't having much luck. I think both Trump and Kasich were winning delegates, as expected, but then I saw this:

Sounds like Trump #Michigan director is moving on to greener pastures after failing to organize delegates. #migop pic.twitter.com/D1ST7I0jIJ
— Dennis Lennox (@dennislennox) April 9, 2016

I'm not sure how to interpret what's going on right now with the Trump campaign organization, but there has been an ongoing shakeup, at both the national and state levels. His recent hire, Paul Manafort, is very experienced, so things may turn around for the Trump campaign soon.

John Kasich (remember him?) held a town hall in Syracuse last night. The reports I saw on Twitter suggest it was the best-attended event of his campaign.

Interesting statistic here:

Post CO Distict Caucuses.. since rubio suspended camapin, delegate allocatiob has been:

Cruz 116
Trump 66
Rubio 2
Kasich. Zip, nada, zero
— Rob Eno (@Robeno) April 9, 2016

Current status of the race to 1237 from Nate Silver:

If Trump gets shut out in Colorado -- which seems possible -- he'd be down to 1,175 projected delegates. https://t.co/Vow3qe2vZn
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver53 April 8, 2016

Finally, our favorite dark horse candidate had this to say:

My delegates are pieces of impact ejecta. I will have over 70 billion of them and they are bound by the force of gravity.
— Sweet Meteor O'Death (@smod2016) April 8, 2016

Gardening thread will be up in a bit.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 11:35 AM

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1 19th?

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 11:35 AM (9VEpl)

2 Why yes it is, I'll get the others

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 11:35 AM (9VEpl)

3 I am praying that Trump is fading

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 11:37 AM (9VEpl)

4 I warned em, don't look at me

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 11:38 AM (9VEpl)

5 Out maneuver Trump?

Isn't he the guy of great maneuvers?

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Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 09, 2016 11:38 AM (voOPb)

6 Yawn.
Morning all.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 09, 2016 11:38 AM (08Znv)

7 Flowers? Bah!

Posted by: Four inches of snow in April at April 09, 2016 11:38 AM (Dwehj)

8 And I read the content!

Posted by: tbodie at April 09, 2016 11:39 AM (hQt/L)

9 Colorado's delegate selection process by district sure seems convoluted. What were they smoking?

Oh, right.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 09, 2016 11:39 AM (JO9+V)

10 Anyone have a POLL on who republicans in Colorado wanted?

I've been looking, but can't seem to find one...

Posted by: Don Quixote at April 09, 2016 11:40 AM (qf6WZ)

11 I think SMOD's ego is getting Trumpian in size.

Posted by: tbodie at April 09, 2016 11:40 AM (hQt/L)

12 I've often thought there should be the little box to check off that you read the thread before the comments showed up.

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 11:41 AM (9VEpl)

13 It's amazing. I think people show up at Kasich events now just for a chance to watch him eat.

Posted by: Fritz at April 09, 2016 11:42 AM (UzPAd)

14 SMOD is all talk.

Blahblahblah ejecta blahblahblah.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at April 09, 2016 11:42 AM (rlfds)

15 Trump has gone full SJW "victim status" with his tweet last night claiming "it's a shame" the RNC won't hand him the nomination with less than a majority and still has to fight.

That, coming from a guy worth "well over $10B"

Shessh.

Posted by: WisRich at April 09, 2016 11:42 AM (hdpay)

16 Make no mistake, the RNCe is not going to allow Trump or Cruz. Look for an open borders RINO or DIABLO for the convention as a "compromise" candidate.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 09, 2016 11:43 AM (vvmPQ)

17 Did you see the tweet from Eric Trump showing the Jersey guys saying if you don't like NY values they'll come visit you?

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 11:43 AM (9VEpl)

18 I get people disliking Trump, what I don't get is anyone gloating gleefully over his demise.

What you'll get instead will not be better.

Surely you must know that. This is Gope we're talking about.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 09, 2016 11:43 AM (TOk1P)

19 I bet Kasich is doing hand puppet shows before each event. That's the only explanation I can think of for anyone attending his event.

Posted by: tbodie at April 09, 2016 11:44 AM (hQt/L)

20 It's snowing here

Posted by: @votermom at April 09, 2016 11:44 AM (nbrY/)

21 Wow CO GOP did something right, shutting out Krazy Katshit. I am of the opinion that voting for him in a primary from this point forward is voting to hasten in the burning times.

Posted by: PaleRider at April 09, 2016 11:45 AM (3kUGE)

22 It's 68F and sunny here. Sorry votermom.

Posted by: tbodie at April 09, 2016 11:46 AM (hQt/L)

23 Cage fight!

Nicolas Cage gets in physical fight with Vince Neil in Vegas

http://tinyurl.com/j3wkaer

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at April 09, 2016 11:46 AM (rlfds)

24 Posted by: BurtTC at April 09, 2016 11:43 AM (TOk1P)

ITA

Posted by: @votermom at April 09, 2016 11:46 AM (nbrY/)

25 Make no mistake, the RNCe is not going to allow
Trump or Cruz. Look for an open borders RINO or DIABLO for the
convention as a "compromise" candidate.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 09, 2016 11:43 AM (vvmPQ)

I've tried not to say anything negative about Trump these last few months, because sheesh, why would anyone NEED to say it?

He's an obvious clown. Always has been, always will be, and I always assumed his candidacy would flame out. I just never expected it to take this long.

Gope is going to nominate one of their own. That was always a damn near certainty in this election. It would have taken an extraordinarily charismatic, principled, disciplined conservative to defeat them.

Good grief, that was never Trump. Surely no one thinks it was. But, and this is the hard part for some to swallow: it was never Cruz either.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 09, 2016 11:47 AM (TOk1P)

26 Did you see the tweet from Eric Trump showing the Jersey guys saying if you don't like NY values they'll come visit you?

Ouch. That SJW keyboard warrior must be wishing he could take that one back.

Posted by: Four inches of snow in April at April 09, 2016 11:47 AM (Dwehj)

27 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 09, 2016 11:43 AM (vvmPQ)

Vic, I disagree with you. The nominee will be one of the 3 guys running. I know they are the stupid party but to nominate a guy who hasn't run? That's f*cking insane

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 09, 2016 11:47 AM (voOPb)

28 Thread Below the Saturday Gardening Thread

Just the roots.

Posted by: mindful webworker - mulch, mulch, mulch at April 09, 2016 11:47 AM (macz7)

29 10 Anyone have a POLL on who republicans in Colorado wanted?
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IIRC they have a closed caucus system. I'm not sure if there's even a popular vote this year.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/CO-R

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 09, 2016 11:47 AM (t5zYU)

30 26 Did you see the tweet from Eric Trump showing the Jersey guys saying if you don't like NY values they'll come visit you?

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Heh.

hehehehe.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at April 09, 2016 11:48 AM (rlfds)

31 So when and which states are the next primaries. I've started losing track

Posted by: Soona at April 09, 2016 11:48 AM (Fmupd)

32 There won't be any gardening in W. NC today.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 09, 2016 11:48 AM (9mTYi)

33 31 So when and which states are the next primaries. I've started losing track
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New York is next.

Good resource here:

http://frontloading.blogspot.com/p/2016-presidential-primary-calendar.html

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 09, 2016 11:49 AM (t5zYU)

34 Snowed here this morning with a possibility of more this afternoon. Overnight on I-95 should be interesting when the precipitation freezes and no roads are treated.

Posted by: no good deed at April 09, 2016 11:49 AM (GgxVX)

35 Here's a fun question for the Trumpeters that they love to ask us Cruzers
If Cruz gets the nomination will you vote for him to stop Hillary?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 09, 2016 11:50 AM (EwpXn)

36 @32 Mr. Hammer convert your roto-tiller to a snow blower

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 09, 2016 11:50 AM (voOPb)

37 Thread Below the Saturday Gardening Thread

Just the roots.
Posted by: mindful webworker
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We're just nematodes.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 09, 2016 11:50 AM (9mTYi)

38 For Morons within a couple hours drive of Louisville, Kentucky, the semiannual machine gun shoot and military gun show at Knob Creek Range is this weekend. I got in there early yesterday and got my shopping done before the huge rush today. Prices seem reasonable. October will be panic mode depending on election news.

A couple spam cans of ammo in the closet might make a fair investment.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at April 09, 2016 11:51 AM (573j3)

39 This is not good, and why we need a US president to stand up to the UN:

The United Nations has launched a far-reaching initiative that could
give U.N.-sponsored authorities sway over the biological resources of
the high seas --- all the waters that lie outside national territories and
economic zones.

The potential shift in power involves
multi-trillion-dollar issues, such as whether large areas ---conceivably,
as much as 30 percent -- of the world's international waters should be
designated as no-go areas to protect biological diversity; whether and
how to require elaborate "environmental impact assessments" for future
ocean development projects; and how to divide up the economic benefits
from the future development of "marine genetic resources."

Someone please get John Bolton back as our ambassador to the UN, stat!

Posted by: Lizzy at April 09, 2016 11:51 AM (NOIQH)

40 Did Spring come? Did I miss it? Did it skip right over Summer and Fall and now we're back to Winter?

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 09, 2016 11:51 AM (dFi94)

41 Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 09, 2016 11:47 AM (t5zYU)

I know the process.... but I can't seem to find any polling Data on GOP for President in Colorado...

ie, who the rank and file Repubs want... not what is coming out of this process....

In every other instance Polling data has been front page news.... but in Colorado its almost like there is a black out....

Posted by: Don Quixote at April 09, 2016 11:51 AM (qf6WZ)

42 I respect the gravity of it.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 09, 2016 11:51 AM (FkBIv)

43 Trump is the best thing to happen in politics since Reagan.

Things aren't looking too rosy for him. He has united both the Rs and Ds in their opposition. Must be a good guy if you are known by who are your enemies. :-)

Given it isn't going to be Trump the next president is either going to be an R chump or a D dictator since the economy is crashing and the media won't report it till Obama is out.

Posted by: just saying at April 09, 2016 11:51 AM (CRXed)

44 Snow in April
God is trying to stop the Cubbies but it won't work

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 09, 2016 11:52 AM (EwpXn)

45 will you vote for him to stop Hillary?

Ain't no stoppin' me now! I'm on the loose! *hic*

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at April 09, 2016 11:52 AM (Dwehj)

46 Tuesday, April 26th for Maryland. If Trump hasn't destroyed the planet by then.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at April 09, 2016 11:53 AM (jR7Wy)

47 Little Winger called and said I'm supposed to watch some kid at the Masters this afternoon. Where did I put his name?

Sorry. Talking to myself online again.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 09, 2016 11:53 AM (dFi94)

48 Nicolas Cage gets in physical fight with Vince Neil in Vegas

That looked more like foreplay than a fight.

Neil also looks hammered.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 09, 2016 11:54 AM (1xUj/)

49 Mr. Hammer convert your roto-tiller to a snow blower
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
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We just had a few flurries, but the windchill is currently at 28 deg.

I'm not going to whine... wait.. yes I am, but I know you've had colder stuff going on up there.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 09, 2016 11:54 AM (9mTYi)

50 The next prez may be someone no one wants. And I'm not talking about Trump.

Posted by: Soona at April 09, 2016 11:54 AM (Fmupd)

51 God is trying to stop the Cubbies but it won't work
Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 09, 2016 11:52 AM (EwpXn)
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God helps those who help themselves.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at April 09, 2016 11:54 AM (jR7Wy)

52 God is trying to stop the Cubbies but it won't work

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 09, 2016 11:52 AM (EwpXn)
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God would never stop the Cubbies. Big fan.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 09, 2016 11:54 AM (dFi94)

53 #23, considering when Vince Neil stopped snorting coke off Playboy Playmates he turned into Fat Elvis, I wouldn't like his odds. Nic Cage fakes crazy way too well to not be partway there, and crazy people are not fun in ground fights

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at April 09, 2016 11:55 AM (573j3)

54 Pennsylvania primary is April 26, we're seeing Hillery call Gov. Wolf to go for the 15 $ minimum wage, Bernie has been here as well.

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 11:55 AM (9VEpl)

55 Grammie Winger, is it Jordan Speith or Bryson Dechambeau? The defending champ or the amateur who makes his own clubs.

Posted by: no good deed at April 09, 2016 11:55 AM (GgxVX)

56 If Cruz + Rubio delegates would win at convention and the GOP comes up with a Cruz/Rubio ticket as the compromise do you think that flies? As a Cruz person and strongly anti Hillary and the Dems it would for me. I don't like Rubio but I'd take the chance that he'd come around or be cut off from the nom in 8 years.

Posted by: PaleRider at April 09, 2016 11:55 AM (3kUGE)

57 Snow in April
God is trying to stop the Cubbies but it won't work
Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 09, 2016 11:52 AM (EwpXn)

Huh. Stopping Cubbies does not require an act of God.

GO CARDINALS!

Posted by: tbodie at April 09, 2016 11:56 AM (hQt/L)

58 Vic, I disagree with you. The nominee will be one of
the 3 guys running. I know they are the stupid party but to nominate a
guy who hasn't run? That's f*cking insane

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 09, 2016 11:47 AM (voOPb)

Hate to say it, but yeah, I think their path of least resistance is to nominate somebody already running. Which means... turn Cruz.

I believe that is the plan right now. Turn him into Gope.

Will it work? Hell, I don't know. Second choice would probably be getting it into the hands of one of the losers who is already Gope certified: Mario or Kasich. I think if they reach that point though, they'll be working on how to lose as softly as possible.

And no, I'm not ruling out the possibility they'll go off script, and pick a "loser" who will have dignity and posture and will be old and out of touch. And will lose. And will lose.

I believe Gope is already fully committed to not winning this election.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 09, 2016 11:56 AM (TOk1P)

59 46 Tuesday, April 26th for Maryland. If Trump hasn't destroyed the planet by then.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at April 09, 2016 11:53 AM (jR7Wy)

Yeah.... I heard he told his campaign manager to rip off Gaia's arm and beat her to death with it!

Posted by: LIV at April 09, 2016 11:56 AM (qf6WZ)

60 Sorry. Talking to myself online again.
Posted by: grammie winger
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As I have mentioned before, one of the advantages of having a pet around the house is that when you are talking to yourself, you can pretend that you were talking to the animal, thus, only a little nutty.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 09, 2016 11:56 AM (9mTYi)

61 It doesn't take snow to stop the Phillies, any baseball will do that.

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 11:56 AM (9VEpl)

62 Mike, I understand the wind. It was so cold & windy yesterday I failed to,walk for my therapy. Today is much better.,will be leaving shortly for a long walk with the pup.,

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 09, 2016 11:56 AM (voOPb)

63 Grammie Winger, is it Jordan Speith or Bryson Dechambeau? The defending champ or the amateur who makes his own clubs.

Posted by: no good deed at April 09, 2016 11:55 AM (GgxVX)
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I think it's the Bryson kid. 22 years old. I know he didn't say Jordan Speith - I would have recognized that name. He's a great player.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 09, 2016 11:57 AM (dFi94)

64 I'm not sure how to interpret what's going on right now with the Trump campaign organization...

The term "meltdown" comes to mind.

Been expecting this for a while. Trump may get the folks he needs to help him save the trumpmentum, but this demonstrates the big difference between speechifyin' and politickin'. Like it or not, there's a system to be worked, and rousing the rabble doesn't quite do it.

From things he's said recently, Trump seems to me to be one of those who thinks he is a better speechwriter than his speechwriters, better at foreign policy than his foreign policy advisors, etc. Having watched one of those in the White House for going on eight years now, I don't think they make very good Chief Executives for the nation.

Just my hamburgled opinion. I suppose I'd still stick a clothespin on my nose and vote for him over the outright Communist candidates. God help us.

Posted by: mindful webworker - Cruz/Bridenstine 2016 at April 09, 2016 11:57 AM (macz7)

65 I guess the first indication of Colorado GOP voter interest was the caucus:

http://www.denverpost.com/election/ci_29581978/colorado-gop-prepares-super-tuesday-caucus-night

Honestly, that's the "poll" that matters under their system.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 09, 2016 11:57 AM (t5zYU)

66 47. I saw him on YouTube I think
Some 17yo on an exemption
Great irons but so so putter give him a few years I think

Got to meet Lydia Ko yesterday, the LPGA's #1
Sweet 18yo
Rooting for her to win the Lotte here

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 09, 2016 11:57 AM (EwpXn)

67 27 Vic, I disagree with you. The nominee will be one of
the 3 guys running. I know they are the stupid party but to nominate a
guy who hasn't run? That's f*cking insane

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 09, 2016 11:47 AM (voOPb)

The RNCe does not give a shit for the "base". They will do what they want and piss on the base. They know that two years from now at the next election 95% of the base will have forgotten their stab in the back.

And you know what, based on the 2012 election I would say they would be right.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 09, 2016 11:58 AM (vvmPQ)

68 Little Winger called and said I'm supposed to watch some kid at the Masters this afternoon. Where did I put his name?

There's an amateur who was within one stroke of the lead yesterday until he triple bogeyed 18. Bryson Dechambeau (sp?). He's still in the hunt, conditions are brutal.

It's wicked super impressive for a 22 year old amateur. On the other hand, the leader and defending champion is also 22.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 09, 2016 11:58 AM (1xUj/)

69 If Cruz gets the nomination will you vote for him to stop Hillary?

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Beck says he won't vote for a Trump/Cruz ticket which, I think, is a real possibility, or a Cruz/Trump ticket, which ain't gonna happen anyway.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 09, 2016 11:58 AM (Nwg0u)

70 March 1980 -

1. Ronald Reagan favorable numbers are 30%
2. Carter was up in all the polls 15-20%
3. The GOPe was coming up with plans to nominate Gerald Ford instead because he had the best poll numbers against Jimmy Carter.

This is why you should never let polls of any kind determine your long term plans, even just a few months out. Now think, what if the GOPe had gotten their way in 1980? What if Gerald Ford had been foisted upon the country as the nominee?

Posted by: William Eaton at April 09, 2016 11:58 AM (KhJh8)

71 #48, I amend my early statement. A drunken bro-hug is not a fight. Fucking TMZ clickbait.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at April 09, 2016 11:58 AM (573j3)

72 Yep - Bryson DeChambeau. Found it on my phone.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 09, 2016 11:58 AM (dFi94)

73 25 Good grief, that was never Trump. Surely no one thinks it was. But, and this is the hard part for some to swallow: it was never Cruz either.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 09, 2016 11:47 AM (TOk1P)

This is the problem with the Conservative movement, though. Why do we always have to have the "extraordinarily" perfect candidate?

Look at the Dems: Was Bill Clinton perfect? Was Gore? Was Kerry? Was Obama? How about Bernie or Hillary? But whoever it is, they back them to the hilt.

Conservatives? Nah...we get Cruz, who's a great candidate...but....oh, well, he's icky, or something. This is why we continue to get "electable" losers.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at April 09, 2016 11:58 AM (Y5I9o)

74 Starting to cloud up here in OKC. High is is supposed to be 73 today. Storms tomorrow night.

Posted by: Soona at April 09, 2016 11:59 AM (Fmupd)

75 Most of Colorado is owned by federal agencies. The only candidate that might fire or lay off a federal agency employee is Trump.

Posted by: just saying at April 09, 2016 11:59 AM (CRXed)

76 55. Isn't that the guy who cut his club lengths to the same height?
I considered it when I got the new Mizunos but how do you cut Mizunos?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 09, 2016 12:00 PM (EwpXn)

77 56 If Cruz + Rubio delegates would win at convention and the GOP comes up with a Cruz/Rubio ticket as the compromise do you think that flies? As a Cruz person and strongly anti Hillary and the Dems it would for me.
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I'd vote for that ticket, although I'm no fan of Rubio's.

After Wisconsin, I'd be more enthusiastic about a Cruz-Walker ticket, however.

My first choice is still Cruz-Fiorina simply b/c she's campaigned so well with him and, although her candidacy never caught on, she's demonstrated toughness on the campaign trail. I also think it'd be wise to have a woman on the ticket to counter Hillary.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 09, 2016 12:00 PM (t5zYU)

78 75 Most of Colorado is owned by federal agencies. The only candidate that might fire or lay off a federal agency employee is Trump.
Posted by: just saying at April 09, 2016 11:59 AM
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But the one who has campaigned on returning Federal lands to the states is Cruz.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 09, 2016 12:01 PM (t5zYU)

79 Why does Indiana hate Trump so much?

Posted by: just saying at April 09, 2016 12:01 PM (CRXed)

80 No joy in Mudville. The mighty Trump is about to strike out. Sigh.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 09, 2016 12:01 PM (JO9+V)

81 Bryson DeChambeau. Found it on my phone.
Posted by: grammie winger
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The French have evolved with unusually robust arms. It comes from holding their hands up so much.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 09, 2016 12:01 PM (9mTYi)

82 Cruz has basically come out of nowhere, name recognition wise, to be a serious contender, and now the most popular since it became a two man race. I like that he is fighting for every delegate and presume he will fight like that for electoral votes.

Cruz2016: He Fights.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 12:02 PM (rwI+c)

83 Speaking of golf, two and a half weeks till the first qualifier for the Sony Open!!!
I need to practice my putting daily now

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 09, 2016 12:03 PM (EwpXn)

84 Kid us watching The Good Dinosaur.
What a freaky movie.

Posted by: @votermom at April 09, 2016 12:03 PM (nbrY/)

85 Snow in April

God is trying to stop the Cubbies but it won't work

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 09, 2016 11:52 AM (EwpXn)

Schwarber, gone for the season. I know Cub delusion has them already thinking they should be crowned champions right now, but the team has no depth. An injury here or there will be disaster.

Especially if it's somebody like Bryant or Arrieta.

I still think when you take a pitcher with little or no prior success and transform him into a fireball throwing, unhittable machine, the most likely reason is steroids.

It makes no sense that in the last 10 years, suddenly there are not just a handful, but dozens and dozens of guys who throw upper 90s/low 100s. It's never happened before. Where did all these guys come from?

I believe we know, but we're not talking about it, I guess. I'm expecting Arrieta to flame out before the year is over.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 09, 2016 12:03 PM (TOk1P)

86 A little bit more about Colorado's process here:

https://www.cpr.org/news/story/trump-vs-cruz-moves-colorados-gop-convention-whats-stake

People forget that oftentimes Republicans in blue states can be quite conservative. Apparently this is true in Colorado. Cruz is considered to be the most conservative candidate remaining. He's certainly been the favorite amongst voters who ID as "very conservative" in the other races so far.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 09, 2016 12:04 PM (t5zYU)

87 The French have evolved with unusually robust arms. It comes from holding their hands up so much.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 09, 2016 12:01 PM (9mTYi)
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Little actually said that he served alongside some French soldiers who were surprisingly good. Or was that the Brits? I think it might have been the Brits.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 09, 2016 12:04 PM (dFi94)

88 Isn't that the guy who cut his club lengths to the same height?

There was a puff piece on about him this morning. He's supposed to be some sort of physics geek who maths all his golf problems. He went with all same length clubs so that he can have a uniform swing.

He struck me as more "wow the universe is expanding" than actually physics smart. But hey, he's a good looking young man who is in contention on the weekend when dozens of famous golfers missed the cut.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 09, 2016 12:04 PM (1xUj/)

89 >>>Nicolas Cage gets in physical fight with Vince Neil in Vegas
<<<

First one to vomit wins.

Posted by: Fritz at April 09, 2016 12:05 PM (UzPAd)

90 Snow is finally starting to lay on grass, deck is getting slushy

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 12:05 PM (9VEpl)

91 This is the problem with the Conservative
movement, though. Why do we always have to have the "extraordinarily"
perfect candidate?

Look at the Dems: Was Bill Clinton perfect? Was Gore? Was Kerry?
Was Obama? How about Bernie or Hillary? But whoever it is, they back
them to the hilt.

Conservatives? Nah...we get Cruz, who's a great
candidate...but....oh, well, he's icky, or something. This is why we
continue to get "electable" losers.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at April 09, 2016 11:58 AM (Y5I9o)

The reason he has to be damn near perfect is because the Republican Party is actively working against him.

No other explanation necessary.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 09, 2016 12:05 PM (TOk1P)

92 Indiana's delegate selection process

Brought to you by the gang that made gay pizza mandatory.

Posted by: DaveA at April 09, 2016 12:05 PM (DL2i+)

93 On Thursday evening, the draft text of a bill called the "Compliance with Court Orders Act of 2016," authored by offices of Senators Diane Feinstein and Richard Burr, was published online by the Hill.1 It's a nine-page piece of legislation that would require people to comply with any authorized court order for data -- and if that data is "unintelligible," the legislation would demand that it be rendered "intelligible."

... I could see endless uses for this legislation. Consider getting a court order to have the tax code made "intelligible."
Wonder it this would work with political candidates ?

Posted by: David Windsor at April 09, 2016 12:07 PM (e8kgV)

94 85. Actually they do have a deep bench
But not for starting pitchers

On the flame throwers, you're right, they're popping up like weeds
But no one is mastering multiple pitches like split finger on top of sliders on top of breaking
Those are the ones who last
A constant fastball destroys your arm....woods for an example

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 09, 2016 12:09 PM (EwpXn)

95 To me the biggest lesson of the primary so far is that Trump should have run as an Independent, not as a Republican. He doesn't do as well with GOP loyalists, not just Party big-wigs but also just involved GOPers, as he does with more independent types.

I understand the rationale that he would expand the GOP tent (I disagree with it, but I get it), but it ultimately comes down to winning the GOP nomination first. In an odd way, there are similarities between Trump's raison d'�tre and Rubio's -- both seemed to focus so much on the general election that they neglected the GOP nomination.

Of course, he could still win the nomination out-right if he gets the magic number, but it's looking less likely.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 09, 2016 12:10 PM (t5zYU)

96 I believe that as a conservative constitutional lawyer, Cruz is the best guy we can get to reform and save the system. He may fail and we go to The Burning, but we would have ended up there anyway.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 12:10 PM (rwI+c)

97 Colorado GOP caucus this year was sparsely attended, probably because non-binding on the 'preference poll' In my precinct, lots of very pro-life Christians show up and Cruz had about 70% of the few votes with a few Kasich, Trump and Rubio. I believe I recall a few other CO horde members talking about 3-way splits between Cruz Trump and Rubio.

Posted by: PaleRider at April 09, 2016 12:10 PM (3kUGE)

98 Gilligan's Island-like story on WZ. They got off so I guess they had no Gilligan.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 09, 2016 12:10 PM (Nwg0u)

99 Trump should have run as a Democrat. He would be kicking Hillary's ass right now.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 12:10 PM (rwI+c)

100 I believe Gope is already fully committed to not winning this election.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 09, 2016 11:56 AM (TOk1P)

Rules committee comes out with their projected rules 30 days before the Convention...

There is then at the convention to adopt, or not adopt the rules...

Now here is where the real fun begins... because the vote is only by acclamation... yells of yes or no... and the Chair decides, apparently without recourse... who wins...

There is video where the Chair CLEARLY decides in a biased manner...

Thus.... IMO, it will all come down to that Rule Committee, who is on it, and what THEY recommend...

Posted by: LIV at April 09, 2016 12:11 PM (qf6WZ)

101 >>What a freaky movie.

How so?
Thought that was Pixar...

Posted by: Lizzy at April 09, 2016 12:11 PM (NOIQH)

102 88. It shocks me how smart that really is
He says with the same swing he can stay within 10 yards by loft alone
But I think the cut after two is +5
Shit, I can do that if I learn how to putt that is

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 09, 2016 12:13 PM (EwpXn)

103 What has Carly been up to lately? I haven't seen her since she threw in with Cruz.

I miss her combativeness.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at April 09, 2016 12:13 PM (jR7Wy)

104 >>It's a nine-page piece of legislation that would require people to
comply with any authorized court order for data -- and if that data is
"unintelligible," the legislation would demand that it be rendered
"intelligible."

Lois Lerner and the IRS IT team could not be reached for comment.
Nor Hillary's IT dude, Brian Palgliano.

What's the purpose of this law - is it to make Apple decrypt customer phones?
How ironic.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 09, 2016 12:14 PM (NOIQH)

105 and if that data is "unintelligible," the legislation would demand that it be rendered "intelligible."

Your honor, it IS intelligible. It is not my responsibility that you are unable to read Sumerian cuniform!

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 09, 2016 12:14 PM (bZ7mE)

106 GARDENING THREAD IS NOOD.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 09, 2016 12:14 PM (t5zYU)

107 Trump should have run as a Democrat. He would be kicking Hillary's ass right now.
Posted by: Grump928
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Yup.

He was intimidated by the Clinton Machine, though, and figured an easier run via the R. He miscalculated.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 09, 2016 12:14 PM (9mTYi)

108 Nood.

Posted by: HH at April 09, 2016 12:15 PM (DrCtv)

109 Compliance with Court Orders Act of 2016,"

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Gosh, Feinkenstein, it's not like you Donks comply with any court orders you don't like.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 09, 2016 12:15 PM (Nwg0u)

110 Man, these are the biggest snowflakes I've ever seen. I think they could give me a concussion if I went outside.

Posted by: rickl at April 09, 2016 12:15 PM (sdi6R)

111 "But the one who has campaigned on returning Federal lands to the states is Cruz."

I think that is the same as Bill Clinton campaigning on school uniforms and keeping black churches from being burnt down.

I think Cruz would like to return land to the states. I don't believe Cruz has the ability to get it done. Cruz is not a populist. As far as I can tell Cruz's reputation is that of a lawyer's lawyer.

Posted by: just saying at April 09, 2016 12:16 PM (CRXed)

112 Soona: Starting to cloud up here in OKC....

You sure it's clouds and not smoke?

We had quite a smoggy-hazy sunset up here last night, from all the wildfire smoke. Fires to the east of us, fires to the west of us. We sure could use some good Spring rains. If only they weren't so frequently accompanied by twisters!

Posted by: mindful webworker - Okie by birth and choice at April 09, 2016 12:16 PM (macz7)

113 103 What has Carly been up to lately? I haven't seen her since she threw in with Cruz.
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She's been campaigning with him A LOT. She also has some sort of PAC that is running web ads. And she's been a campaign surrogate on some TV and radio (I think) programs.

She, Mike Lee, and Walker did a bunch of campaign events together in Wisconsin.

Haven't seen much from her since WI, but it really kind of looks like she's his potential running mate, should he be the nominee.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 09, 2016 12:16 PM (t5zYU)

114 Kathleen Turner and Vince Neil could be twins.

Posted by: Danny DeVito at April 09, 2016 12:16 PM (CUk0C)

115 Man, these are the biggest snowflakes I've ever seen. I think they could give me a concussion if I went outside.
Posted by: rickl
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You've never visited Emory, have you?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 09, 2016 12:16 PM (9mTYi)

116 What's the purpose of this law

I think that it is to codify the governments ability to order you, as a private citizen, to decrypt data that is being subpoenaed. If you say you lost your password and cannot comply, that would be a criminal offense, rather than being contempt of court at worst.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 12:17 PM (rwI+c)

117 Cruz is not a populist.

Hence his attraction to those who believe that principles and law are more important that whatever the mob wants at the moment.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 09, 2016 12:17 PM (bZ7mE)

118 >>As far as I can tell Cruz's reputation is that of a lawyer's lawyer.

He's a constitutional lawyer, not a personal injury or corporate attorney. His entire political career has been dedicated to constitutional law. Most of his answers on things like SSM and abortion revolve around states rights.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 09, 2016 12:18 PM (t5zYU)

119 Seems like poor taste to taunt Ohio that had about 8 inches of snow with a gardening thread.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 09, 2016 12:18 PM (iQIUe)

120 Haven't seen much from her since WI, but it really kind of looks like she's his potential running mate, should he be the nominee.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 09, 2016 12:16 PM (t5zYU)
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This makes me feel tingly.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at April 09, 2016 12:19 PM (jR7Wy)

121 @99 Yes, Trump should have run as a Democrat.

Getting the GOP to talk about immigration and trade and political correctness is okay, but the real elite resistance to those are in the Democrats.

If he could have forced the Democrats to open up, then the GOP would have also come along.

The way Trump did it, Democrats are safe to just call the GOP racists and actually reinforce their status quo.

Posted by: Harun at April 09, 2016 12:20 PM (UBBWX)

122 Cruz is not a populist.

Hence his attraction to those who believe that principles and law are more important that whatever the mob wants at the moment.

*fistbumps Grey Fox*

Unfortunately he's not a good politician and people don't like him.

Heck, I'm supporting him now and I don't like him.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 09, 2016 12:20 PM (1xUj/)

123 >>If you say you lost your password and cannot comply, that would be a
criminal offense, rather than being contempt of court at worst.

Unbelievable in the age of Obama, where FOIA requests and Congressional subpoena requests are ignored more than they are fulfilled, and agencies destroy evidence without fear of consequences.

Why should I turn over anything when Lois Lerner is allowed to destroy her hard drive and retire w/full benefits? Or Eric Holder being in contempt of Congress without fear of consequences for refusing to release Fast and Furious docs?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 09, 2016 12:21 PM (NOIQH)

124 If the system can be reformed with a constitutionalist President and three or four new constitutionally activist SC appointees, I want to do that. Overthrowing the system is likely to get us something much worse.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 12:21 PM (rwI+c)

125 This makes me feel tingly.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage

Bunk

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 09, 2016 12:21 PM (1xUj/)

126 Fiorino is a jerk. Again, she took over a year to pay her campaign employees while she had a personal wealth over a 100 million. Screw her. Would never vote for her.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 09, 2016 12:21 PM (iQIUe)

127 Puppet show

And

John Kasich

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 09, 2016 12:21 PM (kTF2Z)

128 122:

Why do we have to preface our support with statements of dislike. This is how the Dems trained us to lose. How are you going to persuade someone to your side if you start out by saying, oh, btw I really don't like the guy I'm supporting.

I'm not saying you should lie and say you do. But you just don't talk about likability. It's a non-issue.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at April 09, 2016 12:24 PM (Y5I9o)

129 You know how FB has an "on this day" feature about your past posts? I'm kind of happy about this one from 2012.

"I have secured my place in Daddy Hell (Inappropriate Parenting Division) by taking the Powers boys to "The Raid", the most epicly goretastic action movie evah!"

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 09, 2016 12:25 PM (1xUj/)

130 99 Trump should have run as a Democrat. He would be kicking Hillary's ass right now.
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I was going to say this, but didn't want to appear to be tweaking the Trump supporters' noses.

He *might* have been successful as a Democrat candidate. OTOH, their primary process seems even more "insider-y" than the GOP's, if I'm understanding the super-delegate stuff correctly.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 09, 2016 12:25 PM (t5zYU)

131 Y-not: To me the biggest lesson of the primary so far is that Trump should have run as an Independent, not as a Republican....

I was gonna say... but see that someone else already did...

Grump928(C): Trump should have run as a Democrat. He would be kicking Hillary's ass right now.

Not just that, he would not have all those lib protesters hating him, and would probably have won not just the nom but the general. His Planned Parenthood support could have been overt. He would never have had to threaten that "racist" border wall thing. Chalk would be embraced!

Posted by: mindful webworker - chalk/wall 2016 at April 09, 2016 12:25 PM (macz7)

132 This makes me feel tingly.

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Pope Frankie says erotic sex is a gift from God.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 09, 2016 12:26 PM (Nwg0u)

133 Puppet show

And

John Kasich

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This time next year he'll be doing supermarket openings.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 09, 2016 12:28 PM (Nwg0u)

134 I would second that if Trump would have ran as a Democrat he would be cleaning up.

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 12:29 PM (9VEpl)

135 >>My delegates are pieces of impact ejecta. I will have over 70 billion of them

Piker.

Posted by: Peter North at April 09, 2016 12:30 PM (xUVR8)

136 "Cruz is the best guy we can get to reform and save the system."

I see Cruz being impeached and removed from office if as President he was a real reformer. Threaten too many subsidies.

Since Cruz's base is Texas.
And the Texas Railroad Commission is in Texas.
And they like Cruz.
I don't think Cruz is the reformer you think he is.

Posted by: just saying at April 09, 2016 12:30 PM (CRXed)

137 People forget that oftentimes Republicans in blue states can be quite conservative.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 09, 2016 12:04 PM (t5zYU)

Agreed. That also applies in CA, WA and OR, which is one of the reasons they have trouble winning statewide races anymore. It is my opinion, and only my opinion, that the polling in CA has overstated Trump's support due to the bandwagon effect, and that that, when combined with his traditional underperformance, means that he is likely to lose there at both the statewide and congressional district levels.

Posted by: HTL at April 09, 2016 12:31 PM (PI8Vq)

138 >>Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at April 09, 2016 12:24 PM

Yeah, I'm always a little surprised to see people comment on "likability."

I admit I kind of liked Rick Perry's personality, even though I didn't think he was a particularly great speaker.

But Cruz, I am starting to LOVE because he's so damned competent. It has nothing to do with whether or not I LIKE him or want to have a beer with him etc. I am attracted to the seriousness of his campaign.

As for his personal qualities, he seems respectful of others (really interesting story about his outreach to Orthodox Jews this week), especially of his wife (the way he talks about Heidi he seems to really respect her the way my husband and I respect each other), and he's brilliant.

Having worked most of my life around brilliant people, especially scientists, I can relate to the type of person who is perhaps a bit impatient with folks who are not able to keep up intellectually. So if that's his flaw - that he doesn't show "deference" to other Senators - that's fine by me.

I just want to win. I think Cruz can easily make up the few percentage points vs Hillary in the general.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 09, 2016 12:32 PM (t5zYU)

139 "Trump should have run as a Democrat."

He would have if he could have.

Democrats have a closed shop and Trump isn't a member of the union. He is a successful businessman. I can't think of a single successful businessman who has gone anywhere in either party. (Romney and Bush don't count because it is arguable that their business success came through their family connections.)

Posted by: just saying at April 09, 2016 12:38 PM (CRXed)

140 136
I don't think Cruz is the reformer you think he is.
Posted by: just saying at April 09, 2016 12:30 PM (CRXed)

Cruz will be Bush 43's third term. It's not what we need now, not by a long shot.

Posted by: rickl at April 09, 2016 12:41 PM (sdi6R)

141 Pope Frankie? What does Sister Annette and Cardinal Deadhead have to say?

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 09, 2016 12:45 PM (JO9+V)

142 Posted by: rickl at April 09, 2016 12:41 PM (sdi6R)
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You think we need a destroyer before a reformer?

Not being sarcastic.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at April 09, 2016 12:46 PM (jR7Wy)

143 The people that are actually paying attention know Trump is a train wreck. Delegates are not going to be low-info voters.

Even if Trump on paper has the required delegates, I see there being a revolt.

If it goes to the 2nd ballot, he's done.

Posted by: Asus at April 09, 2016 12:48 PM (A3kYV)

144
What if Hillary isn't the Dem nominee?

Posted by: iforgot at April 09, 2016 12:50 PM (FsE18)

145 It's not what we need now, not by a long shot.

It depends. If you like our system, as designed, then someone who will try to reform it back to it's limited government form is who you would want. If you think the system is completely unreformable, then you should support someone who will blow up the system and rule dictatorially in your interest. I'm hoping for the former, and prepared for the latter, but I fear that we will end up with a new system even worse for my interests.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 12:51 PM (rwI+c)

146 "if Trump on paper has the required delegates"

In that case the GOP has to go with Trump or they are done.

Probably Trump won't have the required delegates.

Then the GOP has issues if they don't pick Cruz.

Worse possible outcome for GOP, in my opinion is Kasich/Rubio, Kasich/Walker, or Walker/Rubio. Picking Mattis/Walker would be their best bet in that case. Similar to Eisenhower/Nixon.

Posted by: just saying at April 09, 2016 12:57 PM (CRXed)

147 I just want to win. I think Cruz can easily make up the few percentage points vs Hillary in the general.
Posted by: Y-not

I hope so, and I think he has a better shot than Trump, but I will concede he's a weak candidate.

I think Hillary is MUCH weaker than Obama in 2012 but (setting aside ideology) Romney was a stronger general election candidate than Cruz.

I don't really buy into the math that Romney lost because conservatives couldn't support him over Obama.

Posted by: Asus at April 09, 2016 12:57 PM (A3kYV)

148 I believe Cruz will start down sizing goverment, unlike what Bush did growing it. Changing the justice depth is going to take time but it can be done, and Supreme Court nominees will be the better than the last Republicans put up.

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 12:58 PM (9VEpl)

149 On the bright side, TV ratings for a contested Republican convention should be very good. And any time the voters get to listen to the candidates, unfiltered, is a plus.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 12:59 PM (rwI+c)

150 "if Trump on paper has the required delegates"

In that case the GOP has to go with Trump or they are done.

______________

I think at that point they would still rather take the punch in the face with someone else at the top of the ticket.

No matter what happens, Trump will scream it was stolen from him. So if it's the 1st ballot or 2nd ballot, the same whining will happen.

If polls keep showing Hillary winning by double digits, it will then be about preserving down ticket races and not have the GOP branded as the Trump Party.

Let him form his own 3rd party and he'll lose interest very quickly.

Posted by: Asus at April 09, 2016 01:01 PM (A3kYV)

151 If it's Cruz and most likely Hillary I'm saying let's do it. Democrats have very low motivation, let the few "independents" choose between.

Also Ted wins Hillery will be out of our misery forever, unless Barak gives her a blank get out of jail free card.

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 01:02 PM (9VEpl)

152 I don't think Cruz will do much of anything, but if some outside miracle he wins we can at least get some better judges appointed, a less corrupt federal government with no more Lois Lerners and Eric Holders and maybe let the Border Patrol do their job and deport people. It would also be nice to have a President call Islamic terrorists, "terrorists" and not bring up the Crusades.

But I don't see Cruz leading a Reagan revolution as he just doesn't seem to have that ability to talk outside of his base.

Posted by: Asus at April 09, 2016 01:04 PM (A3kYV)

153 IF Trump gets to 1237 he gets it and I would easily bet he looses, but the more delegates Ted gets will keep that from happening and at the convention I will see if I like what happens.

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 01:05 PM (9VEpl)

154 "Fiorino is a jerk. Again, she took over a year to pay her campaign employees while she had a personal wealth over a 100 million. Screw her. Would never vote for her."

That sucks.

Trump doesn't pay vendors on time, or the full amount, either.

Does that suck, too?

Posted by: Harun at April 09, 2016 01:06 PM (UBBWX)

155 If it's Cruz and most likely Hillary I'm saying let's do it. Democrats have very low motivation, let the few "independents" choose between.

____________

It's a good case to make.

Any right leaning person hates Hillary with a passion, so I don't think our side will have a turnout problem.

Most real liberals hate hillary and she can't connect with Millenials or minorities.

The only wild card is the First Female President thing.

Posted by: Asus at April 09, 2016 01:07 PM (A3kYV)

156 Trump doesn't pay vendors on time, or the full amount, either.

Does that suck, too?

Posted by: Harun at April 09, 2016 01:06 PM (UBBWX)

****

Link please.

Posted by: Tim in GA at April 09, 2016 01:08 PM (5ciyh)

157 A contested convention will be all of our nightmares coming true. The GOPe will have it's way. Damn the voters. Have they come anywhere close to doing what their base has wanted them to do?

Be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: Soona at April 09, 2016 01:09 PM (Fmupd)

158 OK, I just had a great thought:

Trump can help Cruz win in the general.

Just be being Trump.

If Trump just keeps on mean tweeting, saying awesome but cray-cray stuff, the media will focus on him, and not Cruz.

Trump could be an ultimate distraction.

I actually do like some aspects of Trump - and some of his good qualities are weaknesses as president but still work in other ways.

I think he should get a political TV show called Political Roast, where he just roasts politicians.

Posted by: Harun at April 09, 2016 01:10 PM (UBBWX)

159 Carly is actively campaigning for Ted, she was on a Philadelphia based talk show a week ago and said she would be here soon. I did like what she was saying and did take some tough questions.

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 01:11 PM (9VEpl)

160 As you can see in the Detroit News story linked below, the people picked to be delegates in Michigan are all saying the proper "We are pledged on the first ballot"... but I'm from Michigan and I personally know about 1/4 of the people picked for these delegate positions, and I can tell you that a lot of the Kasich delegates and some of the Trump delegates are in fact Cruz supporters. If the convention goes to a second ballot, Trump and Kasich's Michigan numbers are going down and Cruz's are going up.

Posted by: Kyle McGrath at April 09, 2016 01:12 PM (P0dnr)

161 Best thing is Trump keeps digging, and if Ted can get a few wins he will keep digging.

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 01:12 PM (9VEpl)

162 The GOPe will have it's way. Damn the voters.

Then it will burn. I'm fairly pessimistic about righting the ship of state but I've decided to get excited about the chance for the next few months. The sudden but inevitable betrayal will come when and if it comes, whether I pre-mope about it for months or not.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 01:12 PM (rwI+c)

163 http://tinyurl.com/h65zkah

Posted by: Kyle McGrath at April 09, 2016 01:12 PM (P0dnr)

164 My first choice is still Cruz-Fiorina simply b/c she's campaigned so well with him and, although her candidacy never caught on, she's demonstrated toughness on the campaign trail. I also think it'd be wise to have a woman on the ticket to counter Hillary.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 09, 2016 12:00 PM (t5zYU)

I'd like this a lot as well.

Both are smart as whips and could handle any silly debate shit thrown at them (unlike letdown and get pissed on Romney).

I can see Cruz-Rubio as that gives the GOPe their trapdoor in 8 years to undo Cruz' good work (think Reagan-Bush).

Because that is sort of a meh win-meh win for everyone, I think that's very likely the ticket if the GOPe decide they simply can't fuck their voters over.

I know, short of Zombie Reagan, I won't care who they put up.

If it's not, Cruz or Trump, they don't get my vote.

I'm probably not alone in that.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 09, 2016 01:13 PM (2rmvw)

165 Romney lost cause he couldn't connect emotionally with the voters. Cruz is better than Romney (less robotic). Also Cruz is a better grass roots guy. He is eating Trump's lunch.

I would be shocked if the Federal Government became smaller under Cruz. He is a lawyer.

I don't think anything needs to be blown up or reformed. I think the system needs to be supplanted. Trump is the only candidate that might be able to do that in my opinion.

If Trump succeeds in getting elected President then I think he might come up with something to supplant the current system. Supplanting the current system is more difficult than getting elected President of the US.

My opinion is that too many people and too many companies and too many organizations are receiving direct and indirect subsidies from the Feds for the current system to be reformed. The current system will be superseded by something worse or something better.

Posted by: just saying at April 09, 2016 01:13 PM (CRXed)

166 Links for Trump not paying until forced:

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/tama-starr-ugly-art-trump-deals-article-1.2422470

If you've been in business, you've met people like this before. They are supposedly big successes and rich, but stiff vendors or always pay months later than the negotiated terms.

Posted by: Harun at April 09, 2016 01:13 PM (UBBWX)

167 GOPe is in a fever their number 1, Jebbie, was a failure and their number 2 fall back option, Rubio, was a failure.

Listening to an interview with Rinse insisting it will be one of the 3 who are running even though Kasich has no possibility of winning is a tell that they plan to re-interpret the rules.

If it's not Cruz or Trump it should be SMOD for the GOP.

Posted by: Ralph at April 09, 2016 01:13 PM (AShJK)

168 I was amused to hear that fisticuffs broke out (police called) to Republican Michigan 11th district convention last night. That's mostly Oakland County -- possibly the wealthiest county in Michigan. Mr sinmi, delegate from 7th district says the Trumpists were kicking up a fuss -- but we were both too tired for me to get details.

Posted by: sinmi at April 09, 2016 01:13 PM (sVNKh)

169 Trusted

Posted by: Ralph at April 09, 2016 01:14 PM (AShJK)

170
Trump can help Cruz win in the general.

Just be being Trump.
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About the only reason I think Cruz has a chance in the General is before Trump, Cruz was considered a firebrand, but after Trump, he seems like the most reasonable, level headed person in the world.

It doesn't matter that on the issues, Trump is about as liberal as a Republican can be. It's all about perception.

Posted by: Asus at April 09, 2016 01:14 PM (A3kYV)

171 Last weekend in Pennsylvania there was a convention and I think but not sure if it was delegates. Ted won a straw poll 60% to Trump and Kasich each 20%.

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 01:15 PM (9VEpl)

172 But I don't see Cruz leading a Reagan revolution as he just doesn't seem to have that ability to talk outside of his base.

Posted by: Asus at April 09, 2016 01:04 PM (A3kYV)

That would be a problem.

However, Cruz is so message disciplined- and right now that means talking to the Base.

That I would be very surprised, if his message doesn't broaden, esp. on jobs, etc-

once he gets the nom.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 09, 2016 01:16 PM (2rmvw)

173 157
Have they come anywhere close to doing what their base has wanted them to do?
Posted by: Soona at April 09, 2016 01:09 PM (Fmupd)

You seem to think that white middle-class conservatives are "their base". No. The Chamber of Commerce and illiterate Mexican peasants are.

The GOPe wants us to go away and die.

Posted by: rickl at April 09, 2016 01:16 PM (sdi6R)

174 79 New York Values are about as popular in Indiana as Indiana values are in NY.

92 I'm a Cruzer, but the the leadership at the state level is GOPe through and through. They take their orders from the Indiana Farm bureau and whoever else is willing to throw them fistfulls of money. The attitude flows from Gov Pence all the way down...

The conservative grassroots and Indiana GOPe hate each other- at least in IN-3. I'd be willing to bet a paycheck many of those delegates would be eager to vote for the mailman's son.

Posted by: Cooldawg at April 09, 2016 01:17 PM (r1UpC)

175 Trump himself says he "re-negotiates" with 10-15% of his vendors.

http://tinyurl.com/zdenn7r

Read the part about the Taj Mahal.

Remember, Trump is worth 10 billion dollars, but he can't pay his contracted vendors the full amount.

Same rules for bitching about Fiorina need to be applied to Trump.

Posted by: Harun at April 09, 2016 01:19 PM (UBBWX)

176 ...The GOPe wants us to go away and die.
.Posted by: rickl at April 09, 2016 01:16 PM (sdi6R)

Or, STFU and pay up.

Posted by: Ralph at April 09, 2016 01:19 PM (AShJK)

177
I think he should get a political TV show called Political Roast, where he just roasts politicians.

Posted by: Harun at April 09, 2016 01:10 PM (UBBWX)
=====
Totally agree. DT's strengths are ratings, not necessarily thought. He could use that as another marketing tool, like all the performance shows. In all admiration, he is very good at that. IMO, however, he is totally lacking in any appreciation of principles and would, as a matter of prejudice, go for the ratings rather than thoughtful decisions leading our country.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 09, 2016 01:20 PM (MIKMs)

178 Or, STFU and pay up.

This. I either want the corruption fixed, or I want in on it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 01:20 PM (rwI+c)

179 I don't even care that it is snowing. I'm still throwing some margarita chicken wings on the grill. Screw you, Winter! Here's the recipe, courtesy of the Gelfling on Foodnetwork. http://tinyurl.com/h4yg83c

Posted by: no good deed at April 09, 2016 01:20 PM (GgxVX)

180 "You think we need a destroyer before a reformer? "

Pardon my decorum as I jump in here.

Yes.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 09, 2016 01:21 PM (9ym/8)

181 I'm wrong, this is my 18th day, sorry.

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 01:22 PM (9VEpl)

182 "but he can't pay his contracted vendors the full amount."

All rich people are assh*oles.

Wish I was a bigger assh*oles. :-)

Posted by: just saying at April 09, 2016 01:22 PM (CRXed)

183 "If it goes to the 2nd ballot, he's done."

And also yes.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 09, 2016 01:23 PM (9ym/8)

184 You have to wonder why Cruz doesn't get that even if he wins the GOP nomination with these tactics, it will be about the last thing he ever wins.

Too bad, because much of his base philosophy isn't all bad. He advocates for some very great Constitutional principles - but he's doing it in a way that will piss off an overwhelming number of voters - losing not only support for himself, but his values as well.

Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peeping in the Seafood Store at April 09, 2016 01:23 PM (aeVIR)

185 Trump is a reneger, he habitually reneges on deals.

Posted by: Ralph at April 09, 2016 01:23 PM (AShJK)

186 Asus,

Trump could probably get same press even if he doesn't win. He could use that to be anti-Hillary or to be anti-Cruz...or more likely both.

I have a feeling the Democrats are going to try to tie the GOP to Trump even if he doesn't win.

But that might bring Trump into action.

Posted by: Harun at April 09, 2016 01:24 PM (UBBWX)

187 You have to wonder why Cruz doesn't get that even if he wins the GOP nomination with these tactics, it will be about the last thing he ever wins.

What tactics? Can you be more specific? I like that he's fighting for delegates.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 01:24 PM (rwI+c)

188 Yapping little lap dog John Podesta says if Hillary! is elected, she'll get to the bottom of the whole UFO issue. Fine, but who's going to get to the bottom of Hillary?

Um, Eewww...

Posted by: wisenheimer at April 09, 2016 01:25 PM (qnhj2)

189 "Too bad, because much of his base philosophy isn't all bad. He advocates for some very great Constitutional principles "

Cruz will win the Convention.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 09, 2016 01:26 PM (9ym/8)

190 Posted by: sinmi at April 09, 2016 01:13 PM (sVNKh)
---
LOL, my mother lives in Oakland County. I can't see her getting into a donnybrook, though. Maybe WASPy disdain, then she cuts yer brake line.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at April 09, 2016 01:26 PM (jR7Wy)

191 Cruz will win the Convention.

Presuming it gets to a second ballot. Maybe third, just for show.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 01:27 PM (rwI+c)

192 Cruz will win the Convention.

.Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 09, 2016 01:26 PM (9ym/

From your lips...

Posted by: Ralph at April 09, 2016 01:27 PM (AShJK)

193 "Totally agree. DT's strengths are ratings, not necessarily thought. He could use that as another marketing tool, like all the performance shows. In all admiration, he is very good at that. IMO, however, he is totally lacking in any appreciation of principles and would, as a matter of prejudice, go for the ratings rather than thoughtful decisions leading our country."

with a "Politrical Roast" show, it would acceptable, because he's just providing entertainment.

I think in that role he could keep fighting PC, too.

That said, the election is not over. Cruz could stumble, Trump could crush, who knows.

Posted by: Harun at April 09, 2016 01:27 PM (UBBWX)

194 You have to wonder why Cruz doesn't get that even if he wins the GOP nomination with these tactics, it will be about the last thing he ever wins.

Too bad, because much of his base philosophy isn't all bad. He advocates for some very great Constitutional principles - but he's doing it in a way that will piss off an overwhelming number of voters - losing not only support for himself, but his values as well.
Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peeping in the Seafood Store at April 09, 2016 01:23 PM (aeVIR)

I'm sorry but that's a silly complaint.

Either Cruz plays the game that the rules provide - which means trying to get the delegates in his corner if the voting goes to a 2nd ballot,

which is heavily likely after WI.

Or....

He simply let's the GOPe manipulate the system in their favor to get their bought and paid for hack the nom.

In which case, he might as well go home now.

He didn't write the rules....the GOPe did.

So, if he wants to win. He needs to be in the game.

End of story.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 09, 2016 01:28 PM (2rmvw)

195 185
Trump is a reneger, he habitually reneges on deals.

Posted by: Ralph at April 09, 2016 01:23 PM (AShJK)

It's NEVER a deal with him, til his check cashes. He was thrown out of Panama for reneging on a deal. He can not there, he will get arrested.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 09, 2016 01:29 PM (jJRIy)

196 While I'm sticking for now to Trump only if it's Hillery I will go
#NeverKasich

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 01:29 PM (9VEpl)

197 I avow that if Trump gets the delegates and is denied, or if it's contested and anyone other than Trump or Cruz gets the nomination, I'm writing in Trump.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 01:30 PM (rwI+c)

198 "From your lips..."

Trump won't get the votes he needs in the primary I believe. And I am a Trump guy. Not the 1237. Once all bets are off at the convention, I think the anti-Trump coalesce.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 09, 2016 01:30 PM (9ym/8)

199 I like that he's fighting for delegates.

Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!

And I like that Trump is fighting for votes. Cruz won't win in November with 1237 delegates.

Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peeping in the Seafood Store at April 09, 2016 01:31 PM (aeVIR)

200 The powers that be see rules as a weapon or something to change as needed, or to be ignored.

If the gope wants to oust Trump or Cruz or both, they will do it and no set of rules can stop them.

The gope is using Cruz and Kasich against Trump. When Trump is defeated Kasich will be rewaded and Cruz will be betrayed.

Serfs get nothing.

Posted by: eman at April 09, 2016 01:33 PM (MQEz6)

201 What the pope has just said is not new. John Paul laid all these thoughts out in his Theology of the Body Wednesday talks from the 80s. So this is 30 years old.

My marriage is awesome, thanks to JP2 because it is all based on love for the beloved-for their sake not for mine (and it is reciprocated). Fireworks are the natural result.

Posted by: Me at April 09, 2016 01:33 PM (tUGnI)

202 "I avow that if Trump gets the delegates and is denied, or if it's contested and anyone other than Trump or Cruz gets the nomination, I'm writing in Trump."

I can agree. These guys are the leaders. If they try any kind of monkey-business, hi-jinks, or, shenanigans........they can't be any deader to me.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 09, 2016 01:33 PM (9ym/8)

203
"Too bad, because much of his base philosophy isn't all bad. He advocates for some very great Constitutional principles "

Cruz will win the Convention.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 09, 2016 01:26 PM (9ym/

=====
That is the most important for me. The other three 'leaders' are so darned fossilized in thought and leadership, that Cruz leading the quiet (relatively) revolution in thought and action is encouraging to me. Trump may have opened Pandora's Box, but Hope survived.
I may be an old fart, but darned if I am as old and narrow-minded as our current so-called contenders.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 09, 2016 01:34 PM (MIKMs)

204 g'afternoon, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at April 09, 2016 01:34 PM (KCxzN)

205 The current system will be superseded by something worse or something better.

Posted by: just saying at April 09, 2016 01:13 PM (CRXed)

It took a long time and a lot of lawyers and money to create the nearly perfect pay to play system that benefits lawyers and the rich and getting richer politicians!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 09, 2016 01:35 PM (wYnyS)

206 The powers that be see rules as a weapon or something to change as needed, or to be ignored.

If the gope wants to oust Trump or Cruz or both, they will do it and no set of rules can stop them.

The gope is using Cruz and Kasich against Trump. When Trump is defeated Kasich will be rewaded and Cruz will be betrayed.

Serfs get nothing.
Posted by: eman at April 09, 2016 01:33 PM (MQEz6)

Yeah, unfortunately I see this as the most likely outcome.

But, try we must.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 09, 2016 01:35 PM (2rmvw)

207 I won't vote for Cruz or whomever the jerks in the GOPe pick for the general.

Posted by: ChocoCheese at April 09, 2016 01:35 PM (OvUux)

208 You have to sue Trump to get paid.

Poor roofing company - hard work to build a roof and then some billionaire just doesn't pay.

Note this story was from before Trump's run.

http://tinyurl.com/h3w7xmc

Yes, Trump is a real friend of the American worker.

Posted by: Harun at April 09, 2016 01:35 PM (UBBWX)

209 "I don't really buy into the math that Romney lost because conservatives couldn't support him over Obama."

Romney lost because he was a poor candidate.
No other reason.
He knew what he had to do, and he did none of it.

Posted by: navybrat at April 09, 2016 01:36 PM (8QGte)

210 Serfs get nothing.

Posted by: eman at April 09, 2016 01:33 PM (MQEz6)

What, you thought serfs were supposed to get something?

Posted by: Prince Rebus at April 09, 2016 01:37 PM (wYnyS)

211 "I won't vote for Cruz or whomever the jerks in the GOPe pick for the general."

Why is that, choco?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 09, 2016 01:37 PM (9ym/8)

212 197 I'm with you grump- only I would write in Cruz. The weasels better not go tinkering around with the rules to facilitate installing their favorite.

If that happens, let liberal fascism come to its conclusion- with Hilldabeast and dim-o-rat congress at the wheel.

Neverkasich/ SMOD

Posted by: Cooldawg at April 09, 2016 01:39 PM (r1UpC)

213 wwee

Posted by: Harun at April 09, 2016 01:42 PM (UBBWX)

214 Posted by: Harun at April 09, 2016 01:35 PM (UBBWX)

Yes.... because in a multi billion dollar company, Donald Trump makes absolutely every decision and writes, or does not write, every check.

Especially when he is in the middle of running for President...

Posted by: Don Quixote at April 09, 2016 01:43 PM (qf6WZ)

215 GOPe just goes with whoever is strong and will keep them in place.

Rubio was their choice because he would win against Hillary.

Then it was Trump because he was winning, and yes, Trump played footsies with the GOPe.

Then Trump sort of imploded in national polling, so Cruz is what is left.

But Cruz is organized, has donors, etc. They can't just parachute someone in.
Not because they don't want to, but there would be resistance.

Posted by: Harun at April 09, 2016 01:44 PM (UBBWX)

216 189 "Too bad, because much of his base philosophy isn't all bad. He advocates for some very great Constitutional principles "

Cruz will win the Convention.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 09, 2016 01:26 PM (9ym/

and then usher in President Hillary....

Posted by: Don Quixote at April 09, 2016 01:46 PM (qf6WZ)

217 Trump is a reneger, he habitually reneges on deals.

Posted by: Ralph at April 09, 2016 01:23 PM (AShJK)

This is one of the fundamental differences between businessmen and lawyers. Lawyers need you to at least on paper be shown to be following the letter of the contract. Businessmen need you to not get in the way of their "best possible deal."

This difference often causes friction between the two.

And honestly, I think it's why so many people who despise Trump do so, because he won't lawyer his way through this process. It's frustrating and confounding to people who think lawyering is the ONLY way this stuff works.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 09, 2016 01:48 PM (TOk1P)

218 It would be such a hoot if Bernie would beat the snot out of Hildabeast in the New York primary

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 01:48 PM (9VEpl)

219 If that would happen it will be said she's done.

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 01:48 PM (9VEpl)

220 Ricardo, he is too soft on the border/immigration, his goldman/cfr politically expedient wife, his weird and unexplainable ties to the lunatic Glenn Beck, his "anointing" to immanitize the eschaton, and he couldn't win a general against hillary, bernie, al gore, john kerry, or anyone else the democrats put up there.
Beside the ties to the bastard George W. Bush and the whole establishment cabal. Fuck them.

Posted by: ChocoCheese at April 09, 2016 01:50 PM (OvUux)

221 It would be such a hoot if Bernie would beat the snot out of Hildabeast in the New York primary

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 01:48 PM (9VEpl)

Then it's "Joey Time", baby!!!

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 09, 2016 01:50 PM (2rmvw)

222 "and then usher in President Hillary...."

Maybe. If Hillary wins we're done

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 09, 2016 01:51 PM (9ym/8)

223 Cruz isn't part of any DC madame black book just because his name is there. But even if Donald was getting some on the side, Hildabeast probably, her husband Bill is a tooky magnet, what's the difference. And don't give me Rules for Radicals you have to live up to your values.

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 01:52 PM (9VEpl)

224 I'm not sold on the Cruz bimbo eruption angle...yet. It will take a baby, video, or DNA evidence to prove.

And fuck all the #nevertrumpers in the "conservative" media. DIAF.

Posted by: ChocoCheese at April 09, 2016 01:53 PM (OvUux)

225 "and then usher in President Hillary...."

--------------------------------

Maybe. If Hillary wins we're done

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 09, 2016 01:51 PM (9ym/

Maybe not. I'm holding out hope she will so alienate enough people, she either kills her Party, or forces more people to realize it's time to look somewhere other than Washington for their answers.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 09, 2016 01:54 PM (TOk1P)

226 Skip, I don't buy the Cruz is a philander stuff.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 09, 2016 01:58 PM (9ym/8)

227 To much shenanigans go on in a election year

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 01:59 PM (9VEpl)

228 "Maybe not. I'm holding out hope she will so alienate enough people, she either kills her Party, or forces more people to realize it's time to look somewhere other than Washington for their answers"

Burt, you are the master of hope.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 09, 2016 02:00 PM (9ym/8)

229 Skip, I don't buy the Cruz is a philander stuff.

Who would fuck him?

Posted by: Denny Hastert at April 09, 2016 02:01 PM (2X7pN)

230 anyone other than Trump or Cruz gets the nomination, I'm writing in Trump.

Posted by: Grump928(C)

With an added No, Fuck You down ballot.

** Zombie Reagan riding T-Rex with RPG excepted **

Posted by: DaveA at April 09, 2016 02:02 PM (DL2i+)

231 Is this a politics only thread? if not, I am responding to as comment BurtTC made in the thread in which the Orthodox Thread was discussed.

Hi, Burt-

I agree with you. I think if the Atheist fellow is drawn to the priesthood it indicated he's drawn to the mysterious and ineffable and should be encouraged to explore that. One might ask, "Why do you feel drawn to the being a priest?" . On the other hand, I don't think the answer was given was a sign of being unsure in their faith. They just wanted to make clear that in order to a priest in the Orthodox church you need to believe in God and the Gospel. which is bottom line I think if someone were responding to an actual person in from of them it would be a little different than responding to someone writing in on a website.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 09, 2016 02:02 PM (w4NZ8)

232 In fairness, the Democratic Party has been going left and dying outside of DC since Clinton, and accelerated under Barry Soetoro. Likewise, the Republicans have been going right outside of DC and growing, but it's too slowly changing the squishy national leadership. The people are losing patience rapidly.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 02:03 PM (rwI+c)

233 Uh-oh, maybe a bad sign for me... I noticed my "don't give a shit about this any more" came on this morning. Should I pull up and have it fixed, or just keep on going?

Posted by: kraken at April 09, 2016 02:04 PM (sdxPm)

234 Damn, willowed after a Denny Hastert sock!

Posted by: Hadoop at April 09, 2016 02:04 PM (2X7pN)

235 Should I pull up and have it fixed, or just keep on going?

Try starting and stopping five times in a row and see if it resets.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 02:05 PM (rwI+c)

236 I mean. for all I know there are trolls to religious sites as well as to political ones, and saying "I feel drawn to be a Priest but I don't believe in God or at least I am a cynical Agnostic" would be a good troll.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 09, 2016 02:06 PM (w4NZ8)

237 Hi, Burt-

I agree with you. I think if the Atheist fellow is drawn to the
priesthood it indicated he's drawn to the mysterious and ineffable and
should be encouraged to explore that. One might ask, "Why do you feel
drawn to the being a priest?" . On the other hand, I don't think the
answer was given was a sign of being unsure in their faith. They just
wanted to make clear that in order to a priest in the Orthodox church
you need to believe in God and the Gospel. which is bottom line I think
if someone were responding to an actual person in from of them it would
be a little different than responding to someone writing in on a
website.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 09, 2016 02:02 PM (w4NZ

Agree, well said. There is a need in that type of context, an online forum, to give a more generalized answer. I think I was envisioning the struggling individual moreso than their need to make a clear and definitive statement on the purpose of the priesthood.

Thank you for your response. I had not really thought of it that way.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 09, 2016 02:07 PM (TOk1P)

238 Fenelon, religious concern trolling? Never happens.

And yes, that was sarcasm.

Posted by: ChocoCheese at April 09, 2016 02:07 PM (OvUux)

239 236 I mean. for all I know there are trolls to religious sites as well as to political ones, and saying "I feel drawn to be a Priest but I don't believe in God or at least I am a cynical Agnostic" would be a good troll.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 09, 2016 02:06 PM (w4NZ

"Trolling religious sites.... thinks...." how would that go.... thinks some more....

Posted by: kraken at April 09, 2016 02:08 PM (sdxPm)

240 Burt, you are the master of hope.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 09, 2016 02:00 PM (9ym/

I've never been considered a master of anything before!

Except maybe baiting.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 09, 2016 02:09 PM (TOk1P)

241 I mean. for all I know there are trolls to religious sites as well as to political ones, and saying "I feel drawn to be a Priest but I don't believe in God or at least I am a cynical Agnostic" would be a good troll.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 09, 2016 02:06 PM (w4NZ

The Internet is full of trolls.

And cats.

And pron.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 09, 2016 02:09 PM (1D4Ef)

242 "Atheist fellow is drawn to the priesthood"

Depends on what the goal of the priesthood is.

Not allow if the goal is to further the official tenets of the Church.

Allow if the goal is to provide a living to an atheist who performs priestly duties.

I think the current pope is the best evidence for the way the Catholic Church has gone (if all his reported remarks are correct).

Posted by: just saying at April 09, 2016 02:14 PM (CRXed)

243 "'I"ve never been considered a master of anything before!

Except maybe baiting. "
.
I just Christened thee> I'm no ordained Minister or anything.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 09, 2016 02:15 PM (9ym/8)

244
Cruz leading the quiet (relatively) revolution in thought and action is encouraging to me.
----------------------
If I may, my two cents on why this is utterly inadequate.

Cruz's "New York values" stupid fucking insult was so much worse than Romney's 47% remark in so many ways. It was not just stupid it was wrong and immoral and unAmerican and clueless.

Probably a few of us have been to New York or know enough about New York to see what their real values are: quality work for quality rewards, the best of everything, justice, charity, innovation, personal prosperity and personal freedom. Never mind what they say; this is how they live and act. They are natural Republican constituents, like so many lefty clients.

That fucker Cruz, instead of noting all this and observing, "And this party is so stupid we STILL can't persuade them to vote for us!" goes and condemns "their" values -- "they" being something other than us fine, upstanding, actual Americans -- thus insulting them and dividing this country along the usual lines, instead of showing how much we all have in common from sea to shining sea.

I repeat, this is not only stupid and clueless; it is immoral and unAmerican.

Fuck this angry religious shit with his Big City-hatin' out of date crap that shrinks the Republican party down to a bunch of pinch-faced old sourbitches who think their backyard is the real America and there is no other America.

This is why Trump is more American to me than Cruz is. At least Trump relates everywhere he goes and doesn't bitch about actual Americans whose "values" are such that he'll be more of a preacher than a president.

FUCK CRUZ.

Posted by: iforgot at April 09, 2016 02:15 PM (FsE18)

245 You would have to find religious sites to troll where the people there would get all shouty and red faced if you tweaked whatever Precious they held dear. So... mainstream denominations.. not so much. Maybe throw an " abotion is murder" at them. Or maybe " ghey stuff is sin". Now trolling ISIS websites.....

Posted by: kraken at April 09, 2016 02:15 PM (sdxPm)

246 Hi political junkies, the pet thread is Nood for anyone interested

Posted by: L, Elle at April 09, 2016 02:16 PM (2x3L+)

247 I've seen tool;ls on religious sites, but they are not concern trolls. They say things like, "What's wrong with you? Why do you a crutch and a "Big Daddy in the Sky" or refer to Jesus as a "nude dead guy hanging on popsicle" sticks" which is just sophomoric and not intended to encourage dialogue,. However, in fairness, some of the Christian believers can be equally repellent in a different way in their defensive and offensive approach to those questions and comments. But if you wanted to troll a site which takes religious questions would be the place to do it; I expect they have to censor a lot of stuff that gets asked

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 09, 2016 02:16 PM (w4NZ8)

248 On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog but they can tell if you are a horse's ass.

Posted by: just saying at April 09, 2016 02:16 PM (CRXed)

249 Holy crap. Pet Thread.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 09, 2016 02:18 PM (9ym/8)

250 No matter who the nominee is, whether Trump, Cruz, or Ryamneysichio, there are bound to be many disgusted, ticked-off voters.

The calculation by people like Lindsay Graham is that the numbers of Novemberly disaffected will be far smaller with Cruz than with the other two. I think he is right ---and I'll give him credit for recognizing that, this time around, Ryamneysichio won't fly.

But there are plenty of GOPers who still believe Ryamneysichio is the best bet. I think we are seeing an interesting split in the GOPe.

Posted by: Leonard Cohen at April 09, 2016 02:19 PM (T/5A0)

251 Trump would be cleaning up in the Dem primary? WTF? Has anyone echoing this bizarre idea actually glanced at the Dem primary?

Recall Trump's initial ascent from his usual vanity/fringe candidate status? Why did it happen. One issue. Illegal immigration. He would have been hissed and hooted off a debate stage by the actual candidates and moderators, not just the braying idiot audience.

We could go on down the list, but the whole bizarre idea detonates right there on the pad.

Could just be me. After all, I'm also reading here that amnesty really lives in Dem party, it's not a GOP problem, really. Which must explain 2006, and Boehner's fuhrer-bunker-batshit comments the day after the 2012 debacle, and the Rubio spectacle, and Yeb!, and even the hapless Walker stumble-fest.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 09, 2016 02:19 PM (QDnY+)

252 >>>But Cruz is organized, has donors, etc. They can't just parachute someone in.
Not because they don't want to, but there would be resistance.<<<

Ah, la r�sistance.
Il sera temps pour la r�sistance.

Posted by: Ralph at April 09, 2016 02:20 PM (AShJK)

253 FUCK CRUZ.

So I can put you down as a stay-at-home when he gets the nomination?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 02:20 PM (rwI+c)

254 Off depressive Cohen sock!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 09, 2016 02:21 PM (T/5A0)

255 Posted by: rhomboid

Did you score a CZ82? Someone took one right out of my basket last night and I was hoping it was you.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 02:21 PM (rwI+c)

256 FUCK CRUZ.

Posted by: iforgot at April 09, 2016 02:15 PM (FsE1Trump's campaign theme is "Make America Great Again"; Cruz's is, "I'm the Only One who Can Beat Donald."Makes the choice pretty clear, really, doesn't it? Fuck Cruz, me too (figuratively, tho).

Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peeping in the Seafood Store at April 09, 2016 02:21 PM (aeVIR)

257
FUCK CRUZ.

So I can put you down as a stay-at-home when he gets the nomination?
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 02:20 PM (rwI+c)
---------------------

Tragically, no. It'll be time to dust off the old clothespin again, vote, put the clothespin back in the drawer, and then get ready for the Democrat prez.

Posted by: iforgot at April 09, 2016 02:22 PM (FsE18)

258 253 FUCK CRUZ.

So I can put you down as a stay-at-home when he gets the nomination?
Posted

But Daaaaad, I don't Wannna Fuck Cruz, do I have to? I'll settle for voting for him.

Posted by: kraken at April 09, 2016 02:22 PM (sdxPm)

259 Kasich guy on Fox Gregory Caruso is saying only Kasich can beat Hillary. And Greg know one cares about your stupid candidate.

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 02:23 PM (9VEpl)

260
Hi political junkies, the pet thread is Nood for anyone interested
Posted by: L, Elle at April 09, 2016 02:16 PM (2x3L+)
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(cooks another spoon of heroin)

Posted by: iforgot at April 09, 2016 02:23 PM (FsE18)

261
Oh heck just as I was getting going here. Gotta run.

Posted by: iforgot at April 09, 2016 02:24 PM (FsE18)

262 Hi political junkies, the pet thread is Nood for anyone interested
Posted by: L, Elle at April 09, 2016 02:16 PM (2x3L+)
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(cooks another spoon of heroin)
Posted by: iforgot at April 09, 2016 02:23 PM (FsE18

I'll pass. My attention whore dog is enough pet for me.

Posted by: kraken at April 09, 2016 02:25 PM (sdxPm)

263 Illegal immigration:
Trump, now, has crawfished his illegal immigration stance right in line with Romney/GOPe. In fact, aside from his bombast he has crawfished to the GOPe.

Posted by: Ralph at April 09, 2016 02:25 PM (AShJK)

264 Something keeps going thump on my roof, it's either Sycamore bombs or wet snow falling from the sycamore tree. But it could be birds freezing and falling on my roof as well.

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 02:26 PM (9VEpl)

265 Grump, dangit, no - not me!

First, I had to hunt around to find if there were 10-round mags for the CZ82/83 (live in the idiotic East Germany on the Pacific, CA). Yep - for $40/each. Yikes.

Then, my standard angst about spares/repairs kicked in - I lurvv these east Euro/Soviet bloc semi-autos (as well as other out-of-production ones like Star from Spain), but always worry about breakages, spares, etc.

Main reason for my interest in these smaller ones (esp. .380) is a semi-auto for the wife - total weight not too much (oddly she is quite fit/active but whines about weight with handguns), easy to work the slide. For home, not carry (which doesn't exist in this county, essentially).

The P-64s in great condition still seemingly available from several sources have long tempted me, but in addition to my usual wimpy angst about spare parts etc., I'm not sure if that horrendous double-action pull (about 800 lbs, from what I read) can actually be fixed without introducing light-strike issues and so on.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 09, 2016 02:28 PM (QDnY+)

266 Recall Trump's initial ascent from his usual vanity/fringe candidate status? Why did it happen. One issue. Illegal immigration.

He wouldn't have run on that in the Dem primary. He would have stayed with his prior position of Romney-esque self-deportation being too cruel. He could have still run on improving the sucky economy and putting manufacturing workers, union workers especially, back on top.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 02:28 PM (rwI+c)

267 Posted by: rhomboid at April 09, 2016 02:28 PM (QDnY+)

Tokarev M57.

Posted by: kraken at April 09, 2016 02:29 PM (sdxPm)

268 The P-64s in great condition still seemingly available from several sources have long tempted me, but in addition to my usual wimpy angst about spare parts etc., I'm not sure if that horrendous double-action pull (about 800 lbs, from what I read) can actually be fixed without introducing light-strike issues and so on.

I put wolf springs in mine and always pocket carry the plum 1970 one. I haven't had a problem with FTF with steel, but I carry with S&B boxer brass, just in case.

The older ones have the smaller round hammer which seems appropriate in a pocket gun.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 02:31 PM (rwI+c)

269 "Probably a few of us have been to New York or know enough about New
York to see what their real values are: quality work for quality
rewards, the best of everything, justice, charity, innovation, personal
prosperity and personal freedom."

People's real values are expressed in who they vote for.

For example: Babs Boxer is a brainless twit, but Commiefornia's full of quite similar twits. She carries their flag quite well.

NY is represented by the likes of Schumer, Gillibrand, et cetera. No thanks.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 09, 2016 02:31 PM (noWW6)

270 Grump, I don't care to pursue this counter-factual stuff, but sure if Trump ran on different positions then sure he could run in the Dem primary. So could Cruz. I get it that Trump's positions, to the extent he's ever had any as a mostly non-political figure, are much more mixed and closer to the Dems.

I was just reacting to Trump as he has been THIS cycle, running in the Dem primary, which makes no sense at all. And if one postulates that he runs on very different issues, then what's even the point of the counter-factual anyway?

And danggit, kraken, don't give me more east bloc semis to agonize over ...... (as he runs to check out the Tokarev .....).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 09, 2016 02:32 PM (QDnY+)

271 Oh guess who else is #NeverTrump?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-trump-not-succeeding-me

Posted by: @votermom at April 09, 2016 02:33 PM (nbrY/)

272 TFG is talking Trump to elevate him not to eliminate him.

Posted by: Ralph at April 09, 2016 02:36 PM (AShJK)

273 And danggit, kraken, don't give me more east bloc semis to agonize over ...... (as he runs to check out the Tokarev .....).
Posted

Heh heh. I think it's a sweet gun. Lightweight. Military quality. Really a 1911 knockoff by the Commies. Fires a 6.62/25 round. Flat andFAST. Ammo is everywhere and cheap. Other than that......

Posted by: kraken at April 09, 2016 02:36 PM (sdxPm)

274 So Grump you've got a P-64 with Wolffs and it's got a decent double-action pull *and* no FTF issues?

OK, if your answer is yes, my fallback whine will be caliber dispersion. I'm loathe to add a new caliber, as I reload for everything except shotgun (and my pile of 54R spam cans is real, and spectacular).

Have I told you gun morons how much I hate your information, insight, and example? You make it hard to keep to my "no new guns" ukaz, issued by myself - to myself - with great ceremony just last year.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 09, 2016 02:36 PM (QDnY+)

275 Gun jonesing needs a 12 Step group. (Still lusting for that Mini-14 ranch rifle, myself)....

Posted by: kraken at April 09, 2016 02:40 PM (sdxPm)

276 So Grump you've got a P-64 with Wolffs and it's got a decent double-action pull *and* no FTF issues?

Very much so. It's far and away my favorite carry pistol. With the lightened springs DA is good enough, and it has what I consider one of the best Condition 1 safeties. Decocking, pin capture and hammer blocking. I have no qualms carrying it chambered next to my balls. It's a flip up to fire in the European fashion but it doesn't take long to get the muscle memory for that.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 02:41 PM (rwI+c)

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Posted by: Ralph at April 09, 2016 02:25 PM (AShJK)

Sit on a pole you liar. Sick to death of the jerks.

Posted by: ChocoCheese at April 09, 2016 02:43 PM (OvUux)

278 I have also always thought that a stiff DA trigger was actually good in a carry pistol. An extra layer of security against ND, as it were. I can pretty much guarantee that if you have to pull a pistol in close contact defense, your adrenaline will make any trigger weight seem like nothing at all.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at April 09, 2016 02:44 PM (rwI+c)

279 Right now Kasich is generic-Republican or generic-Republican-who-is-liberal-and-socially-acceptable. It's not surprising that he should poll well in a center-left country, especially when his opponent is the unlikable Hag.

Could he win the general? It's possible but highly unlikely. Margins in swing states are too small for him to overcome the losses in the #onlytrumporcruz base.
I dunno.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 09, 2016 02:45 PM (T/5A0)

280 If Hillary has to drop out and Trump is denied the R standard bearer then the Democrats might put Trump in in place of Bernie.

All the Ds care about is to keep the vig flowing. Doubtful that Bernie can beat Cruz or even Kasich. Trump would take the election in a walk if he is put in as the D standard bearer.

Posted by: just saying at April 09, 2016 02:45 PM (CRXed)

281 just saying at April 09, 2016 02:45 PM (CRXed)

Hey, that would create the best turnout ever.

Cruz (R) vs. Trump (D)

Posted by: Ralph at April 09, 2016 02:54 PM (AShJK)

282 Thanks for the P-64 info, Grump.

As I said, my main excuse, er, "reason" for looking over the smaller caliber semis was for the wife, as a night-stand piece. I've got a Colt Magnum Carry snub, but while I do use it (and carry it at the range on duty days, only place I can carry), it's too nice and $$$$ to have as a utility item like a nightstand firearm.

Of course there are a few .380s we can get here in commiefornia, including Ruger's lightweight one (which addresses the weight problem). And there's 32ACP to consider (buddy has a sweet old CZ27 - modern ones aren't as pretty or well-made but much more practical).

So I've been thinking revolver if I can't find the right semi. Intrigued by 32 H ampersand R Mag, for the caliber versatility (we can get one, from Charter, here).

Oops - gun thread! I mean this one.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 09, 2016 03:03 PM (QDnY+)

283 Posted by: iforgot at April 09, 2016 02:15 PM (FsE1

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Sorry for trying to be optimistic and working for my children and grandchildren. I hope that there is enough respect for our principles that we can work together. The republican form, electing delegates, rather than direct elections, was specifically instituted to avoid mob rule and encourage the electorate to think and plan for the future.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 09, 2016 03:07 PM (MIKMs)

284 I've gotta another 5 tons for yah.
Where'd yah want it, chief?

Posted by: Virtual Signaling Inc. at April 09, 2016 03:13 PM (UbeIw)

285 Cruz is gonna take this assembly I think

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 09, 2016 03:46 PM (ArFXa)

286
I hope that there is enough respect for our principles that we can work together.
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Of course I respect principles, but more importantly I hope we can work together -- in fact, I'll work with Democrat voters where our principles and values overlap, and they overlap a lot because plenty of people who vote Democrat are brainwashed conservatives or libertarians. I spend a lot of energy pointing out to my lefty acquaintances how much freedom they lose by voting Democrat. They don't like to lose their freedom, but they keep giving it away because people like Ted Cruz denounces "their" values, such as he even comes close to understanding them.

Posted by: iforgot at April 09, 2016 03:47 PM (5o5ek)

287
People's real values are expressed in who they vote for.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 09, 2016 02:31 PM (noWW6)
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I disagree. People don't know what Democrats and Republicans actually stand for, outside some very conspicuous issues. In terms of prosperity and freedom, they haven't a clue. If Republicans would shake off the stupid and show people the path from a Republican vote to better neighborhood schools, thriving small businesses, lower housing costs, lower taxes, greater employment for teens, etc., they'd have more votes than they'd know what to do with.

Posted by: iforgot at April 09, 2016 03:51 PM (5o5ek)

288 The reason Cruz should accept a spot as Trump's VP if Trump gets the votes in Cleveland and asks him to:

Only 1 heartbeat away from the Presidency, babee!!!

It worked for LBJ - and he HATED JFK! (the main goal of the Warren commission wasn't to figure out who killed him, but to guarantee that everyone bought into the story that LBJ didn't have anything to do with it, even though it DID happen in his home state)

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2016 04:02 PM (V2Yro)

289 Went to grocery store in the snow, wasn't as crowded as I expected. It is laying but not on road, but my roof sounds like a sleigh of reindeer are landing on it every minute.

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 04:11 PM (9VEpl)

290 Wow, Any of You been to Gateway Pundit recently... Those people are completely nuts....

Posted by: donna at April 09, 2016 04:34 PM (O2RFr)

291 Kinda dead everywhere here, third thread and not much new.
Off to Gateway Pundit which is not a daily stop for me.

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 04:54 PM (9VEpl)

292 All Aboard the Trrrrrrrrrrrrruuummmmmp Train

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2016 05:00 PM (9VEpl)

293
It worked for LBJ
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Yeah, well, there was that one contingency that came through for him.

Posted by: iforgot at April 09, 2016 05:09 PM (5o5ek)

294 So I see old Bern won Wyoming...

Posted by: donna at April 09, 2016 06:04 PM (O2RFr)

295
Got maybe 7 delegates to Hillary's 6 . . . or 7.

Does that old coot really want to be prez?

Posted by: iforgot at April 09, 2016 06:56 PM (5o5ek)

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