Overnight Open Thread (4-5-2016)

Hitchhiker: You heard of this thing, the 8-Minute Abs?
Ted: Yeah, sure, 8-Minute Abs. The exercise video.
Hitchhiker: Yeah, this is going to blow that right out of the water. Listen to this: 7 Minute Abs . . . Think about it. You walk into a video store, you see 8-Minute Abs sitting there, there's 7-Minute Abs right beside it. Which one are you going to pick, man?
Ted: I'd go for the 7.
Hitchhiker: Bingo, man, bingo. 7-Minute Abs. And we guarantee just as good a workout as the 8-minute folk.
Ted: You guarantee it? How do you do that?
Hitchhiker: If you're not happy with the first 7 minutes, we're going to send you the extra minute free.
Ted: That's good. Unless, of course, somebody comes up with 6-Minute Abs. Then you're in trouble, huh?
Hitchhiker: No! No, no, not 6! That's crazy! Nobody's coming up with 6. Who works out in 6 minutes?

-- from How high K-12 standards are like a crazy hitchhiker talking about 7-Minute Abs

Quote of the Day II

That's when I decided to raise my cats to be gender neutral.

-- Washington Post reporter Lauren R. Taylor

Comment of the Day

107 He: Knock, knock?
She: Who's...
He: Manterrupter!

Posted by: mindful webworker - Oh, were you not done speaking, honey? at April 04, 2016 11:24 PM (5a8XA)

Bookworm: Middle Class Suicide; or He Who Pays the Piper Calls the Tune

This all took place thirty years ago, but I've never forgotten the lesson: No matter how principled they'd like to think they are, most middle-class people will turn a blind eye to corruption in their midst rather than run the risk of being unable to pay their mortgage or fund all of the other payments necessary to support a middle-class lifestyle. They don't think of themselves as dishonest or complicit in dishonesty. They think of themselves as cautious people who aren't going to risk their children's future for some grand-standing that, rather than resulting in applause, could leave them unemployed and desperate.
This episode from my past makes me doubt very strongly that Hillary Clinton will be indicted. I know that the rumor mill keeps saying that FBI agents, from Comey on down, will quit if Loretta Lynch lets Hillary walk. Some of the FBI agents whispering this to friendly reporters may even believe that they'll quit.
Mostly, though, this is a bluff. Why? Because the people talking about quitting are middle-class people with mortgages, and school fees, and insurance, and all the other expenses that keep us in the middle-class living up to our own expectations. If Hillary really does walk, 99% of those "I'll quit if she's not indicted" agents will manage, very quickly and easily, to convince themselves to stay in their jobs, and get their salaries and pensions.

Over 20 years ago I caught an monologue by a comedian who had a short-lived talk show on Comedy Central in which he made the point that for all our talk about morality and principles most people ultimately only have the morality that they can afford. Which is to say they are good right up to the limit where the costs of being good (including opportunity costs) start becoming painful. So while the average person would almost certainly return a lost wallet with $5 in it, most people would be very tempted to keep a lost deposit satchel with $20,000 in it. Or to keep silent if saying something would cost them them their house and career.

His conclusion was that ultimately rich people were more honest - because they could afford to be. Then he went on to explain why it was then that most wealthy people were not in fact paragons of virtue. It was a funny and insightful monologue that I've never forgotten. I wish I had recorded it or could even remember his name.^*

^* I finally tracked down the comic - it was Allan Havey on Night After Night With Allan Havey. You can get a taste of what his show was like in this interview with Denis Leary.

Iceland's Prime Minister Resigns After Panama Papers Scandal

Woman Arrested For Making Daughters Walk to School Even Though She Was Supervising Them

Ezra Levant on Why Rob Ford Was a Good, if Flawed Man - Maybe Even a Great Man

Unlike other politicians who love to give away other people's money Rob Ford gave away his own time and attention. And cut taxes.

Apocalypse Real Soon Now

Jimmy McInnes: How to Load, Shoot and Clean your Firearms

Here Jimmy, Gavin's Scottish alter ego, explains the guns to you. Best comments: "Sorry, Jimmy, but you're no Hickok 45," and "You're hurting the nipple."

Left-Handed Screwdrivers Now Available

Man Saver: 75 Strokes Per Minute Baby!!

Thanks to speedster1.

The Sad Reality Following This Photo

Dream Job Alert: Denver Post Looking For Fulltime Reporter to Cover the Marijuana Scene

But there's a catch: You have to pass a drug test to get hired. And abide by their drug-free workplace policies.

Meanwhile in Japan THIS is Happening....

The Haunted House in Disneyland Paris May Now Actually Be Haunted

The Yahoo group is for closers only.

Tonight's post brought to you by you're a winner, things are going to change - I can feel it:

Notice: Posted by permission of AceCorp LLC. Just keep breathing smoothly and deeply no matter what you think you smell. That is all.

Posted by: Maetenloch at 11:11 PM

Comments

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1 Good evening!

Posted by: speedster1 at April 05, 2016 11:12 PM (vUcdz)

2 Woot woot ONT Baby

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 05, 2016 11:13 PM (voOPb)

3 Maetenloch is too cool online to be cool in real life

Posted by: Backtoga at April 05, 2016 11:14 PM (/22Vh)

4 And I meant that as a compliment

Posted by: Backtoga at April 05, 2016 11:15 PM (/22Vh)

5 Howdy, y'all!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at April 05, 2016 11:15 PM (EzgxV)

6 Howdy!

Posted by: Arson Wells at April 05, 2016 11:17 PM (/E+t2)

7 Hola....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 05, 2016 11:17 PM (d/qVE)

8 Wow Maet awesome ONT
Thanks

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 05, 2016 11:17 PM (voOPb)

9 Evenin' everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 05, 2016 11:17 PM (YJmuy)

10 Nice On Maet, thanks.

Posted by: Arson Wells at April 05, 2016 11:18 PM (/E+t2)

11 That's when I decided to raise my cats to be gender neutral.

Uh, responsible pet owners neuter their pets so technically. . .

Posted by: Randolph Bismuth at April 05, 2016 11:18 PM (JgKXW)

12 Been to Denver lately? Drive two of its main old boulevard streets, Colfax running E-W and Broadway going N-S.

They cross right adjacent the Capital and the U.S. Mint.

Both are loaded up with so many weed shops it would make your head spin.

Yeah, Denver is now wondering if there are too many. I would say yes.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at April 05, 2016 11:19 PM (U6f54)

13 And BTW:

Y'all are welcome for the "Man Saver" link.

Posted by: speedster1 at April 05, 2016 11:19 PM (vUcdz)

14 Man, that POW's wife was a POS.

Posted by: Lauren at April 05, 2016 11:19 PM (evt7e)

15 Not buying the "Mansaver."

That pump is not supplying pressure to drive through much more than soft, moist ground.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 05, 2016 11:20 PM (d/qVE)

16 g'evenin, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at April 05, 2016 11:21 PM (tgG7X)

17 Coming into the ONT from the Wisconsin thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUfS_2UGftg

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 05, 2016 11:21 PM (wOKJp)

18 Yesterday we watched a segment of a pop-culture show called "The List" to find out that April is national grilled cheese sandwich month.

They featured three recipes, one of which was a plain sandwich wrapped 360 in two layers of bacon.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at April 05, 2016 11:21 PM (U6f54)

19 I raised my balls to be gender nuetral. Does that count?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 05, 2016 11:22 PM (ucDmr)

20 Also was today super hero day or something? All the receptionist at my kid's doctors office were wearing capes and then I saw about a million people with super hero shirts.

Posted by: Lauren at April 05, 2016 11:22 PM (evt7e)

21 hey featured three recipes, one of which was a plain sandwich wrapped 360 in two layers of bacon.
Posted by: the littl shyning man at April 05, 2016 11:21 PM (U6f54

so it's really not a cheese sandwich, its a bacon and cheese sandwich

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 05, 2016 11:24 PM (voOPb)

22 19 I raised my balls to be gender nuetral. Does that count?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 05, 2016 11:22 PM (ucDmr)

*snort*

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 05, 2016 11:24 PM (voOPb)

23 Hey everybody.

Have a question for the horde. Has anyone here actually read the entirety of Don Quixote, by Cervantes?

I remember hearing back in the 1980s that there are some parts of it so funny, Cervantes almost sounds as if he could have been a present-day stand-up comedian.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 05, 2016 11:25 PM (ntObR)

24 Also was today super hero day or something? All the receptionist at my
kid's doctors office were wearing capes and then I saw about a million
people with super hero shirts.

These folks claim "Superhero Day" is April 28th.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/zvuaxkg

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 05, 2016 11:26 PM (YJmuy)

25 Defender of What Faith?

Does anyone believe that England cares about an actual "Church" of "England"? A judge in the United Kingdom is actually prohibiting a father from bringing his own child to church.

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=11450

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 05, 2016 11:26 PM (vBeA5)

26 *grabs microphone, clears throat*

My name is GnuBreed, and I am an ONT Aceoholic. It's been 4 days since my last ONT comment.

*sobs*

*drops mic*

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 05, 2016 11:26 PM (gyKtp)

27 Evening horde.

Are we leaving WI alone tonight?

Ahhhhhhhh, Maet is at the helm. Good.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 05, 2016 11:27 PM (hlMPp)

28 The story about the POW is so sad.

fk people.

Posted by: Infidel at April 05, 2016 11:27 PM (H4ONv)

29 ....
....
Hello?
Is this thing on?

Posted by: Captain Whitebread On The All-Night Request Line at April 05, 2016 11:28 PM (rJUlF)

30 "I remember hearing back in the 1980s that there are some parts of it so funny, Cervantes almost sounds as if he could have been a present-day stand-up comedian."

No.

Shakespeare, however, has comedy in his plays that is copied to this day. "Ace Ventura, Pet Detective" is a lot of Shakespeare-ian comedy.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 05, 2016 11:28 PM (d/qVE)

31 12 Been to Denver lately? Drive two of its main old boulevard streets, Colfax running E-W and Broadway going N-S.
They cross right adjacent the Capital and the U.S. Mint.
Both are loaded up with so many weed shops it would make your head spin.
Yeah, Denver is now wondering if there are too many. I would say yes.
Posted by: the littl shyning man at April 05, 2016 11:19 PM (U6f54)

What is there about "unintended consequences " that people don't get?
So how many lazy, useless stoners have moved to Colorado, and expect to be taken care of by the taxpayers?

I'm okay with letting people abuse drugs, as long as the rest of us don't have to cover the cost of their choices.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 05, 2016 11:28 PM (SXU3d)

32 Hmmm, Colorado....

Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 11:29 PM (MQEz6)

33 14 Man, that POW's wife was a POS.

Posted by: Lauren at April 05, 2016 11:19 PM (evt7e)

Cashed all of his earnings while he was a POW, spent $1500 of it travelling around with other men, divorced him as soon as he came home....yeah, if that's the kind of woman she was, he's better off without her.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 05, 2016 11:29 PM (EzgxV)

34 Re: The POW story...

Damn.
Sounds like she and my ex could start a club.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread On The All-Night Request Line at April 05, 2016 11:30 PM (rJUlF)

35 Ricardo, did not know that, thanks. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 05, 2016 11:30 PM (ntObR)

36
I'm okay with letting people abuse drugs, as long as the rest of us don't have to cover the cost of their choices.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 05, 2016 11:28 PM (SXU3d)

It's never that simple. My cousin was a heroin addict, which is a large reason why he burgled homes. Now he's in prison and the tax payers are paying for it.

A free society cannot exist if it's full of addicts and feral children.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 05, 2016 11:31 PM (fC9RO)

37 935?

Posted by: jake at April 05, 2016 11:32 PM (ltl42)

38 27 Evening horde.

Are we leaving WI alone tonight?

Ahhhhhhhh, Maet is at the helm. Good.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 05, 2016 11:27 PM (hlMPp

WI rocks goddammit

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 05, 2016 11:32 PM (voOPb)

39 Good evening everyone
raining pretty good here, ugh, that means I will have to mow the lawn this weekend for the first time this year

Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 11:32 PM (uZNvH)

40 pOW story... Sad shit

global warming cartoon...perfection

high standards....funny shit

Well done ONT

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 05, 2016 11:33 PM (0LHZx)

41 Goodnight sweet hordelings.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 05, 2016 11:33 PM (wOKJp)

42 Posted by: cthulhu at April 05, 2016 11:29 PM (EzgxV)
The wife should be shunned from polite company. What an utter witch.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 05, 2016 11:33 PM (egOGm)

43 It was sunny and 80 here today, but windy enough to issue a Rolling Trash Can Alert.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread On The All-Night Request Line at April 05, 2016 11:33 PM (rJUlF)

44 WI rocks goddammit
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 05, 2016 11:32 PM (voOPb)

I thought Cleveland rocks? Does this mean Drew Carey lied?

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 05, 2016 11:33 PM (//jd9)

45 14 Man, that POW's wife was a POS.

Sounds like most every divorce court I have heard about. Not much has changed since then except less men are getting married.

Posted by: Puddleglum at April 05, 2016 11:34 PM (NGd+i)

46
Huh? WHAH?

"Ezra Levant on Why Rob Ford Was a Good, if Flawed Man - Maybe Even a Great Man"

Oh. ROB Ford, not Jerry Ford. Okay, proceed.

Posted by: iforgot at April 05, 2016 11:34 PM (5o5ek)

47 Man, that POW's wife was a POS.

==========

yup

Posted by: jake at April 05, 2016 11:34 PM (ltl42)

48 I live in WI. fuck this place. We are fucked no matter what. It's the weather and the idiot liberals. Aint worth it. I think it's time to start yelling at clouds.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 05, 2016 11:34 PM (ucDmr)

49 "Cashed all of his earnings while he was a POW, spent $1500 of it travelling around with other men, divorced him as soon as he came home....yeah, if that's the kind of woman she was, he's better off without her."

Yeah she definitely qualifies as The Word That Can't Be Said.

Similar to one of my cousins. I don't know exactly how this worked, but he allowed his wife to use his GI benefits for college while he supported them driving trucks.

Then the bitch cheated on him with his best friend 3 months after she graduated.

Posted by: Lauren at April 05, 2016 11:34 PM (evt7e)

50 "Ricardo, did not know that, thanks. :-)"

Shakespeare was a hit among the masses, not the cultured crowd.

In one play, I can't remember which one, his main character hangs his ass out a window and "lets flee a fart" in order to drive away a potential intruder. Said potential intruder then takes a hot iron out of the coals and sticks it to his ass.

Sorta blue Three Stooges stuff.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 05, 2016 11:35 PM (d/qVE)

51 Was out on a golf course near the water yesterday, and they were driving new pilings. The piledriver was running at what I would guess was around 300 strokes a minute. Annoying as hell, too.

But I'd never heard one running that fast before.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 05, 2016 11:35 PM (gyKtp)

52 A couple inches of snow here tonight in northern WI.

Posted by: davidt at April 05, 2016 11:35 PM (8aOqE)

53
33 14 Man, that POW's wife was a POS.

Posted by: Lauren at April 05, 2016 11:19 PM (evt7e)

Cashed all of his earnings while he was a POW, spent $1500 of it travelling around with other men, divorced him as soon as he came home....yeah, if that's the kind of woman she was, he's better off without her.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 05, 2016 11:29 PM (EzgxV)

$1500 in the early Seventies was serious cash.

Designation: ho.

Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 11:35 PM (MQEz6)

54 A free society cannot exist if it's full of addicts and feral children.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 05, 2016 11:31 PM (fC9RO

Thats been proven since "The War on Poverty" commenced

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 05, 2016 11:35 PM (voOPb)

55 I will not be around long, I am tired, cut my finger *right* on the inside of the knuckle, and I couldn't resist looking at the day threads so I'm overloaded on aggression/butthurt - usually from the same person or group.

I did see Batman vs. Superman and it was pretty good. They tried to do too much and the villains were lame, but the titular fight (and the one right after) were great, though the final one was weak.

It was too contrived but a good action movie.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 05, 2016 11:36 PM (wB8Tg)

56 WA is a lot more strict on weed stores only a handful are open in Seattle. Denver on the other hand.... Easier to open a weed store than a McD store

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 05, 2016 11:36 PM (0LHZx)

57 Similar to one of my cousins. I don't know exactly
how this worked, but he allowed his wife to use his GI benefits for
college while he supported them driving trucks.

Then the bitch cheated on him with his best friend 3 months after she graduated.

Posted by: Lauren at April 05, 2016 11:34 PM (evt7e)

I've heard it happens often with Doctor's wives. They support him through medical school, and then when he finishes his residency he leaves her for a younger, prettier woman.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 05, 2016 11:36 PM (fC9RO)

58 It's worse than that about the middle class corruption (or the go along to get along people).

You hear from some folks about how they'd never be able to confiscate guns cause the country would rise up.

I'm not so sure about that, nor about the police refusing to carrying out direct orders or about the military doing that either.

It's wish casting of the worst kind because someone could get killed believing in it.

People generally (and understandably so) will not endanger their lives let alone their families lives for something as ethereal as a 200 some year old document or a difficult to describe right especially for someone else.

And thus unless a large group is threatened at once and they are armed at the time, there will be no uprising or rebellion or civil war.

There may be demonstrations and lawsuits but no one in any numbers worth counting will rise up and start putting out bullets.

It's just not going to happen. And the sooner people realize that and prepare for that eventuality, the better they and others will be.

What will happen is an underground rebellion and even that will be small and probably ineffective. Unless the government overreacts. (always a possibility) nothing much will happen that will change anything.

So buy guns and ammo for possible riots and criminal attacks but don't think you're going to be some Francis Marion being supported in your brave depredations against he hegemony of DC or even the local police actions.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 05, 2016 11:36 PM (Xo1Rt)

59 Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 11:32 PM (uZNvH)
First time? Wow that's nice. The only time we don't mow our lawn is when it's raining.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 05, 2016 11:37 PM (egOGm)

60 "Basically a BB gun is the same as a black powder rifle or a 30.06 if you're a fucking incompetent like myself."

That made me laugh.

Even with all that he's better than the damn Ssgt who can't load a fucking magazine.

How. How does that happen.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 05, 2016 11:37 PM (hlMPp)

61 Another nice day here near SF.

Hot tomorrow, they say.

Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 11:37 PM (MQEz6)

62 Wildfires Threaten Freedom

http://bit.ly/22bc2nl

That's grassfires, threatening the town of Freedom, Oklahoma. But I couldn't resist that headline. Yes, there really is a Freedom, Oklahoma, by God!

Howdy, y'all. Now to check the post. & stuff. BBSoon

Posted by: mindful webworker - Okie by birth and choice at April 05, 2016 11:37 PM (5a8XA)

63 TY Maet, nice ONT.

I'll save my comments on Milwaukee food for the next food thread. Just awesome German food.
Hi Donna &&& if you are still around.

Posted by: Farmer at April 05, 2016 11:37 PM (o/90i)

64 Have a question for the horde. Has anyone here actually read the entirety of Don Quixote, by Cervantes?

I remember hearing back in the 1980s that there are some parts of it so funny, Cervantes almost sounds as if he could have been a present-day stand-up comedian.
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 05, 2016 11:25 PM (ntObR)

I had to read it in high school. Some parts were amusing but I don't remember thinking it was a hilarious book on the order of, say, Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at April 05, 2016 11:37 PM (dPpmC)

65 Hey, every day's a penis festival here at casa M/S!

Posted by: Mickey and Sylvia at April 05, 2016 11:38 PM (QP2lF)

66 yeah, people suck sometimes.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 11:38 PM (uZNvH)

67 Yeah, precisely!

Posted by: Mickey and Sylvia at April 05, 2016 11:38 PM (QP2lF)

68 I thought Cleveland rocks? Does this mean Drew Carey lied?
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 05, 2016 11:33 PM (//jd9)

These two hastily made Cleveland ads* show how awesome Cleveland really is:

http://tinyurl.com/cqu73yg

http://tinyurl.com/9uyk56u

*oldies, but still can deliver a chuckle.

Posted by: Thrawn at April 05, 2016 11:39 PM (s87AC)

69 14 Man, that POW's wife was a POS.
Posted by: Lauren at April 05, 2016 11:19 PM (evt7e)

Yeah. And he got screwed over by the courts too.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at April 05, 2016 11:39 PM (P8951)

70 "yeah, people suck sometimes."

You, sir, are an optimist.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 05, 2016 11:39 PM (d/qVE)

71
Sounds like most every divorce court I have heard about. Not much has changed since then except less men are getting married.

Posted by: Puddleglum at April 05, 2016 11:34 PM (NGd+i)
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Less women, too, hopefully -- better never to have married John McCain, remained faithful, gotten into a horrible accident, and then welcome him home only to get dumped for looking too fugly and old after those years of limping around raising kids alone.

Posted by: iforgot at April 05, 2016 11:39 PM (5o5ek)

72 Michael, Hitchhiker's was also great.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 05, 2016 11:39 PM (ntObR)

73 59
Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 11:32 PM (uZNvH)

First time? Wow that's nice. The only time we don't mow our lawn is when it's raining.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 05, 2016 11:37 PM (egOGm)
Oh you have my condolences

And I imagine you must have a lot more grass than me

Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 11:40 PM (uZNvH)

74 Tuesday Night ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/717397821322866688

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/717398007046660096

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/717398208452931584

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/717398381082066944

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/717398590377824256

Posted by: kbdabear at April 05, 2016 11:40 PM (NfXfn)

75 McCain came home to a wife who'd been loyal to him and who'd been horribly injured in a car accident. After awhile he started cheating on her and then dumped her.

Posted by: stace at April 05, 2016 11:40 PM (ozZau)

76 Since the Japanese have stopped making enough babies all the Norks need to do is wait a bit and they can just row over to there and take over.

Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 11:40 PM (MQEz6)

77 38 27 Evening horde.

Are we leaving WI alone tonight?

Ahhhhhhhh, Maet is at the helm. Good.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 05, 2016 11:27 PM (hlMPp

WI rocks goddammit

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 05, 2016 11:32 PM (voOPb)

Oh I love it. Just hoping the ONT stays away from it.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 05, 2016 11:41 PM (hlMPp)

78 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 05, 2016 11:36 PM (Xo1Rt)

agreed I've been saying the same. Few if any people are going to fight to keep their guns. The whole "good luck confiscating 300 million guns" is laughable. Law abiding citizens will hand them in because it's not worth 10 years in jail to say no.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 05, 2016 11:41 PM (0LHZx)

79 33 14 Man, that POW's wife was a POS.

Posted by: Lauren at April 05, 2016 11:19 PM (evt7e)

Cashed all of his earnings while he was a POW, spent $1500 of it travelling around with other men, divorced him as soon as he came home....yeah, if that's the kind of woman she was, he's better off without her.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 05, 2016 11:29 PM (EzgxV)

I bet he would have loved to have had DNA testing back in the day.

Or Maury Povich's show.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at April 05, 2016 11:41 PM (1JnAL)

80
I've heard it happens often with Doctor's wives. They support him through medical school, and then when he finishes his residency he leaves her for a younger, prettier woman.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 05, 2016 11:36 PM (fC9RO)
------------------------

I've seen that one up close.

Posted by: iforgot at April 05, 2016 11:41 PM (5o5ek)

81 57 >> I've heard it happens often with Doctor's wives. They support him
through medical school, and then when he finishes his residency he
leaves her for a younger, prettier woman.

Posted by: CO Alex

Wendy Davis, aka Abortion Barbie, supposedly filed for divorce immediately after her hubby made her last law school tuition payment. It happens both ways.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 05, 2016 11:41 PM (gyKtp)

82 52 A couple inches of snow here tonight in northern WI.
Posted by: davidt at April 05, 2016 11:35 PM (8aOqE)

Exit polled in that crap earlier today, then sleet, then rain, then snow again. I'm still cold

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 05, 2016 11:41 PM (voOPb)

83 14 Man, that POW's wife was a POS.
Posted by: Lauren at April 05, 2016 11:19 PM (evt7e)

She's not the only one. There is a book written about POW Fred Cherry. His wife took and spent all of his pay, while he was in Hanoi, while living with another man. He came home to " no money". When they were released and brought to the Phillipines, there were military people whose job it was to tell some of the released POW's that their wives had divorced them.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 05, 2016 11:41 PM (SXU3d)

84 MH: Jesus H Christ on a pogo stick, Tom "Fucking" Milborne is still on opining about this election bullshit. Fuck him.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 05, 2016 11:41 PM (ucDmr)

85 I could do my entire radio show without pants, but the boss won't let me. The man is keeping me down!

I'm sure that yuge picture window in the studio that faces the main street has NOTHING to do with it.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread On The All-Night Request Line at April 05, 2016 11:42 PM (rJUlF)

86 RK, that's Chaucer.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 05, 2016 11:42 PM (xq1UY)

87
75 McCain came home to a wife who'd been loyal to him and who'd been horribly injured in a car accident. After awhile he started cheating on her and then dumped her.
Posted by: stace at April 05, 2016 11:40 PM (ozZau)

dick gotta dick, yo

He is beloved of the Empire.

Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 11:42 PM (MQEz6)

88 #58

Hope we never find out.

The open secret is there are not that many cops in the USA.

50 well armed guys working together could halt a lot of cities police forces

Posted by: jake at April 05, 2016 11:42 PM (ltl42)

89 More Tuesday Night ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/717398859614433280

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/717399022328266752

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/717399203203428352

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/717399375471853570

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/717399530854080512

Posted by: kbdabear at April 05, 2016 11:42 PM (NfXfn)

90 Oh I love it. Just hoping the ONT stays away from it.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 05, 2016 11:41 PM (hlMPp

Not talking politics. Just we rock. For example today it was sunny, snowed, sleeted, rained, snowed and never got above 34 fvcking degrees, gotta love that shit.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 05, 2016 11:43 PM (voOPb)

91 "When they were released and brought to the Phillipines, there were military people whose job it was to tell some of the released POW's that their wives had divorced them."

Best give that job to bubba.

Posted by: Lauren at April 05, 2016 11:43 PM (evt7e)

92 So while the average person would almost certainly return a lost wallet with $5 in it, most people would be very tempted to keep a lost deposit satchel with $20,000 in it.

There's nothing immoral about keeping money you find.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:43 PM (zc3Db)

93 I always thought wisconsin was where Minnesota and Illinois imported day laborers from?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 05, 2016 11:44 PM (vb33c)

94 Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 11:37 PM (MQEz6)
Here too, 88 today. The bad thing is the snakes are out.
There is a snake living on the tile ledge in my pool and there was a snake at my kitchen door.
I didn't get in the pool today, I hear the snakes can swim.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 05, 2016 11:44 PM (egOGm)

95 " RK, that's Chaucer."

Holy crap. You're right.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 05, 2016 11:45 PM (d/qVE)

96 So while the average person would almost certainly return a lost wallet with $5 in it, most people would be very tempted to keep a lost deposit satchel with $20,000 in it.

There's nothing immoral about keeping money you find.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:43 PM (zc3Db)

if you know who it belongs to you should return the money.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 05, 2016 11:45 PM (vb33c)

97 68

LOL!

Yeah, Drew Carey was full of it.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread On The All-Night Request Line at April 05, 2016 11:45 PM (rJUlF)

98 that means I will have to mow the lawn this weekend for the first time this year

It *is* spring.

I shall go out and mow the snow.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 05, 2016 11:45 PM (1xUj/)

99 10 . . 9 . . 8 . . until some SJW complains about the lack of diversity in the Climate Change "Science is Settled" cartoon-- all white dudes of average weight-- no folks of color, people of size, gender-neutral kittehs, or transgenders of any species.

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 05, 2016 11:45 PM (3C9q2)

100 On that POW story, I was trying to say . . . well, it's not uncommon, and not just POWs. Ordinary guys get it too. Wife doesn't like him on deployment all the time. Or he's changed when his twenty is up and home all the time.

I don't know if the divorce rate is any different for military than it is for everyone else.

Posted by: Randolph Bismuth at April 05, 2016 11:45 PM (JgKXW)

101 #94

shovels>snakes every time

Posted by: jake at April 05, 2016 11:46 PM (ltl42)

102
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 05, 2016 11:43 PM (voOPb)

Duh. Had no idea you were in WI.

I'll just say fuck the cold weather. 85 last week. Hands were frozen this morning.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 05, 2016 11:46 PM (hlMPp)

103 Hi Donna &&& if you are still around.
Posted by: Farmer at April 05, 2016 11:37 PM (o/90i)

Hi, Farmer, still here. Actually, a place I can recommend highly is Three Brothers Serbian Restaurant in Bay View, not far from where I grew up.

https://www.zomato.com/milwaukee/three-brothers-milwaukee

Cute little family place in an old building and the food is terrific. I especially recommend the borak which is a spinach and cheese pie made with what seems like a zillion layers of filo dough. It's delicious. I always like to take out of towners there because it's very much of a traditional Milwaukee neighborhood place.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at April 05, 2016 11:46 PM (P8951)

104 WA is a lot more strict on weed stores only a handful are open in Seattle. Denver on the other hand.... Easier to open a weed store than a McD store

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 05, 2016 11:36 PM (0LHZx)

Well, Seattle has that $15 per hour minimum wage working for it. The pot stores will locate elsewhere in King County.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 05, 2016 11:46 PM (UsLZp)

105
92 So while the average person would almost certainly return a lost wallet with $5 in it, most people would be very tempted to keep a lost deposit satchel with $20,000 in it.

There's nothing immoral about keeping money you find.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:43 PM (zc3Db)

Depends.

If you find some money by the side of the road, no prob.

In a wallet or with some reasonable chance of returning it to the owner, a good person tries to return the money.

Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 11:46 PM (MQEz6)

106 if you know who it belongs to you should return the money.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 05, 2016 11:45 PM (vb33c)

That's just being extra nice, if one so chooses. But being extra-nice is not the same as not being immoral. To keep found money (or things) is not immoral in any way.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:47 PM (zc3Db)

107 90: Yeah I loved it. This place sucks. Totally.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 05, 2016 11:47 PM (ucDmr)

108 I'd say 99% of guys and a similarly high percent of women say that if someone messed with one of their family members, there would be no need for a trial as they would take care of business themselves.

The bodies should be piled higher than Everest, but they ain't.

It's the same principle as mentioned by Bookworm.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 05, 2016 11:48 PM (gyKtp)

109 Not talking politics. Just we rock. For example today it was sunny, snowed, sleeted, rained, snowed and never got above 34 fvcking degrees, gotta love that shit.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 05, 2016 11:43 PM (voOPb)

What part of the state, if you don't mind me asking?

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 05, 2016 11:48 PM (//jd9)

110 "I'll just say fuck the cold weather. 85 last week. Hands were frozen this morning."

Si. 92 this afternoon.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 05, 2016 11:48 PM (d/qVE)

111 It's never that simple. My cousin was a heroin addict, which is a large
reason why he burgled homes. Now he's in prison and the tax payers are
paying for it.

A free society cannot exist if it's full of addicts and feral children.

And in a free country he'd get clean, be shot by someone he was robbing or OD to death. And any of those outcomes would be OK. The US used to work like that, but then we got obsessed with saving people from themselves and trying to insulate everybody from the consequences of their actions.

Posted by: Weirddave at April 05, 2016 11:48 PM (N8hFs)

112 so why does everyone in west virginia have that backwards vw logo on everything?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 05, 2016 11:49 PM (vb33c)

113 Stringer, what Shakespeare am I thinking of?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 05, 2016 11:49 PM (d/qVE)

114 The 1990 pronouncement in the "Climate Change" cartoon is a failed environmentalist prediction, all right, but it really isn't a relevant climate change prediction.

What they should have gone with instead was the TTAPS prediction from one year later. To wit, that if the U.S. went to war to eject Saddam Hussein from Kuwait, and Saddam torched the Kuwaiti oil fields, then a "mini nuclear winter" would eventuate, with sharply falling temperatures and markedly lower crop yields. The computer model runs all agreed. There was a consensus. And then... Saddam lit the wells... and... nothing happened.

That was certainly climate-prediction relevant. It showed that the highly touted predictive computer models were bunk.

Although... hard for a cartoonist to fit that in to one-tenth of one panel.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 05, 2016 11:49 PM (noWW6)

115
106 if you know who it belongs to you should return the money.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 05, 2016 11:45 PM (vb33c)

That's just being extra nice, if one so chooses. But being extra-nice is not the same as not being immoral. To keep found money (or things) is not immoral in any way.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:47 PM (zc3Db)

Never tempt the Goddess Irony.

Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 11:49 PM (MQEz6)

116 In a wallet or with some reasonable chance of returning it to the owner, a good person tries to return the money.

Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 11:46 PM (MQEz6)

In other words don't lose your wallet with ID and Contact Information and Mapquest Directions as well as mother's maiden name around the horde,

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 05, 2016 11:50 PM (hlMPp)

117 WA will have statewide $13.50 min wage within a year. There's a ballot initiative that will easily pass. It's $11 and change now so not that far off from Seattle $15.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 05, 2016 11:50 PM (0LHZx)

118 In a wallet or with some reasonable chance of returning it to the owner, a good person tries to return the money.

Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 11:46 PM (MQEz6)

But my question is this: What moral rule are you breaking if you keep it? You didn't steal anything. You did nothing but find it. What is immoral about keeping it? Specifically.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:50 PM (zc3Db)

119 111 WD

Hmmm. Sounds like we've lost some fundamental principles.

Posted by: speedster1 at April 05, 2016 11:50 PM (vUcdz)

120 " so why does everyone in west virginia have that backwards vw logo on everything?'

Um. Well.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 05, 2016 11:50 PM (d/qVE)

121 Posted by: chemjeff at April 05, 2016 11:40 PM (uZNvH)
A conservative estimate is 30,000 square feet of grass. We have a lot.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 05, 2016 11:50 PM (egOGm)

122 36
I'm okay with letting people abuse drugs, as long as the rest of us don't have to cover the cost of their choices.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 05, 2016 11:28 PM (SXU3d)

It's never that simple. My cousin was a heroin addict, which is a large reason why he burgled homes. Now he's in prison and the tax payers are paying for it.

A free society cannot exist if it's full of addicts and feral children.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 05, 2016 11:31 PM (fC9RO)

And my point, that I didn't make clear, is that, then we don't legalize drugs. I'm not in favor of legalizing drugs because their misuse will become even more "normal" and the rest of us will foot the bill.

I'm tired of liberal policies that we know from the get go are going to cause more problems that the rest of us will have to pay for.

If people want to push to legalize drugs, then they can come up with a way to pay for the costs to society, without taxpayers having to cover it.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 05, 2016 11:50 PM (SXU3d)

123 if you know who it belongs to you should return the money.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 05, 2016 11:45 PM (vb33c)

That's just being extra nice, if one so chooses. But being extra-nice is not the same as not being immoral. To keep found money (or things) is not immoral in any way.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:47 PM (zc3Db)

well, I would not say it is a moral imperative or obligation to return the money, however, it is the right thing to do.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 05, 2016 11:51 PM (vb33c)

124 Um ladies you might want to make use of the ONT lockers. Just in case your purse happens to get 'found' by certain commenters.

Posted by: Maetenloch at April 05, 2016 11:51 PM (pAlYe)

125 Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 05, 2016 11:41 PM (0LHZx)

I don't think that people will flock to the police stations to turn in their guns.

New York and Connecticut have proven that.

If the Government is too scared or unwilling to move on those who don't obey the law (and they have time on their side to wait out those who don't obey) then things won't much happen.

But if the government begins to actively go to homes and demand any firearms then we'll see if I'm wrong or not.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 05, 2016 11:51 PM (Xo1Rt)

126 Um ladies you might want to make use of the ONT lockers. Just in case your purse happens to get 'found' by certain commenters.

There goes my income for tonight.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 05, 2016 11:52 PM (YJmuy)

127 But my question is this: What moral rule are you breaking if you keep it? You didn't steal anything. You did nothing but find it. What is immoral about keeping it? Specifically.

It's not yours. It is the property of someone else.

Posted by: Randolph Bismuth at April 05, 2016 11:52 PM (JgKXW)

128 102
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 05, 2016 11:43 PM (voOPb)

Duh. Had no idea you were in WI.

I'll just say fuck the cold weather. 85 last week. Hands were frozen this morning.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 05, 2016 11:46 PM (hlMPp)

I swear to God, I'm getting closer and closer to moving someplace warm. This shit is getting old Buddy

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 05, 2016 11:52 PM (voOPb)

129 The ruling in Colonel Stirm's divorce case is just about what I expect from the United States of America, a nation which I'm not sure I always consider honorable.

Posted by: Hotspur at April 05, 2016 11:52 PM (J3UIw)

130 Pardon me, looking for the decision desk?

Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2016 11:52 PM (1J6E6)

131 Oh man. I wish I hadn't read that POW story. That will kill your faith in humanity.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 05, 2016 11:52 PM (SEXy3)

132 " so why does everyone in west virginia have that backwards vw logo on everything?'

Um. Well.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 05, 2016 11:50 PM (d/qVE)

it is like when you go to a third world country and see all the shirts with the misspelled sports team names.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 05, 2016 11:53 PM (vb33c)

133 well, I would not say it is a moral imperative or obligation to return the money, however, it is the right thing to do.
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 05, 2016 11:51 PM (vb33c)

day laborers from WI may or may not return the money

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 05, 2016 11:53 PM (voOPb)

134

Si. 92 this afternoon.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 05, 2016 11:48 PM (d/qVE)

Really liked you RK...but putting the name on the list

I was so ready for it to be warm out.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 05, 2016 11:53 PM (hlMPp)

135 But my question is this: What moral rule are you breaking if you keep it? You didn't steal anything. You did nothing but find it. What is immoral about keeping it? Specifically.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:50 PM (zc3Db)

If you know who it belongs to, or think you know, and choose to keep the money, it's tantamount to stealing it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 05, 2016 11:53 PM (UsLZp)

136 When it comes to the "found money" issue...

I admit there are some people who, if I found their money? I'd have no problem whatsoever stealing it.

There are others for whom I'd fly cross-country at my own expense to return it.

This moral POV of mine could, perhaps likely is, very wrong. But one of my personal problems is that I'm sick of the fact I've always been seen as a wimp.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 05, 2016 11:54 PM (ntObR)

137 Oh, I don't care if you give me 2 damn ribbons, I still ain't wearing pants on the ONT.

And if you gave me hookers and blow for wearing pants, that would kinda defeat the purpose, no?

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 05, 2016 11:54 PM (gyKtp)

138

I don't know if the divorce rate is any different for military than it is for everyone else.
Posted by: Randolph Bismuth at April 05, 2016 11:45 PM (JgKXW)

I would guess it's hard on any couple that's separated a lot, especially if they don't have a strong foundation. From what I recall reading about POWs, a lot of the divorces were among couples who hadn't been married that long and didn't have that bond of children and history together. (The featured story here would be an exception to that)

Then you had women like Bud Day's wife who helped lead the effort to get the POWs into the public's awareness and fought for their return, while raising their four kids.

Posted by: stace at April 05, 2016 11:54 PM (ozZau)

139 Um ladies you might want to make use of the ONT lockers. Just in case your purse happens to get 'found' by certain commenters.

There's an ONT 'Ette locker room?

Oh my.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 05, 2016 11:54 PM (1xUj/)

140 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:50 PM (zc3Db)
I know it wasn't stolen, but it doesn't belong to you. I think it's immoral to keep it. You should try to find the owner because it's the right thing to do.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 05, 2016 11:54 PM (egOGm)

141 Um ladies you might want to make use of the ONT lockers

What if "certain commenters" claim they identify as wimmenz? Do the ONT lockers count as a "safe space"?

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 05, 2016 11:54 PM (3C9q2)

142 -
What is immoral about keeping it? Specifically.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:50 PM
-----------

You are keeping money you did not earn, does not belong to you, DOES belong to someone else that you could give it back to. To willfully keep it is to deprive them of their property, i.e. theft.

Posted by: irright at April 05, 2016 11:55 PM (XfEYT)

143 Um ladies you might want to make use of the ONT lockers. Just in case your purse happens to get 'found' by certain commenters.

Posted by: Maetenloch at April 05, 2016 11:51 PM (pAlYe)

Heh.

"Ever'body funny. Now, you funny too."

Well ... at least they were warned

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:55 PM (zc3Db)

144 118 TPOP

Well, according to Torah (Deut. 22:1-3), one is supposed to do everything possible to return list items to their rightful owner.

YMMV

Posted by: speedster1 at April 05, 2016 11:55 PM (vUcdz)

145 Aww fuck. It gets worse.

http://bit.ly/1Vvu8jS

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 05, 2016 11:55 PM (SEXy3)

146
There's an ONT 'Ette locker room?

Oh my.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 05, 2016 11:54 PM (1xUj/)

where do you think they leave their clothes?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 05, 2016 11:55 PM (vb33c)

147 I swear to God, I'm getting closer and closer to moving someplace warm. This shit is getting old Buddy

You want warm? C'mon down!

We get over 115 F in the summer, and I've not seen snow falling in the last 17 years since moving here.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 05, 2016 11:56 PM (YJmuy)

148 Those POW stories are fucked up but not surprising. That wife was a bitch who happened to marry someone who became a POW. She would have fucked a husband over if he were a truck driver or a doctor or whatever. Some people are just nasty assholes.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 05, 2016 11:56 PM (0LHZx)

149 Stringer, what Shakespeare am I thinking of?
Gay Boys in Bondage???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuvyJKWV2W4

Posted by: andycanuck at April 05, 2016 11:56 PM (UbeIw)

150 What if "certain commenters" claim they identify as wimmenz? Do the ONT lockers count as a "safe space"?
Posted by: Basement Cat at April 05, 2016 11:54 PM (3C9q2)

Well our policy is sorta don't ask, don't tell, and don't show when it comes to this kind of thing.

Posted by: Maetenloch at April 05, 2016 11:56 PM (pAlYe)

151 WI is dairy country mostly. It's cold and snowy. the countryside is pretty during the spring and fall but hot and muggy during the summer.

The people are very rural. Most of the rebels moved to the cities long ago. All that's left is farmers and small timers who like things the way they are.

And that's okay but they don't reflect the rest of the nation much.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 05, 2016 11:56 PM (Xo1Rt)

152 https://www.zomato.com/milwaukee/three-brothers-milwaukee

Cute little family place in an old building and the food is terrific. I especially recommend the borak which is a spinach and cheese pie made with what seems like a zillion layers of filo dough. It's delicious. I always like to take out of towners there because it's very much of a traditional Milwaukee neighborhood place.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at April 05, 2016 11:46 PM

Sounds awesome. We will have to meet there next time we get up your way.

Posted by: Farmer at April 05, 2016 11:56 PM (o/90i)

153 well, I would not say it is a moral imperative or obligation to return the money, however, it is the right thing to do.
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 05, 2016 11:51 PM (vb33c)

day laborers from WI may or may not return the money
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 05, 2016 11:53 PM (voOPb)

heh

are you in cleveland?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 05, 2016 11:56 PM (vb33c)

154 saw this today

Imam in Florida says "killing gays is the compassionate thing to do"

mean while in the rest of the country Big Homo is still going after bakers for not making 2 dudes wedding cake.

Jane, stop this crazy thing...

Posted by: jake at April 05, 2016 11:57 PM (ltl42)

155 Let me ask the horde this: you find $1,000 and find out it belonged to any one of the following people:

Michael Moore
John McCain
John Kerry
Sarah Palin
Bill Ayers
Mitch McConnell
Amy Schumer
Robert Downey Jr

...would you be equally fair to all of these people and return the money? Or is there at least one person on this list for whom you wouldn't?

I can name a few here on this list that I wouldn't bother with trying to return the money.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 05, 2016 11:57 PM (ntObR)

156 "Really liked you RK...but putting the name on the list"

Hey, can't like everybody. Besides, you want me to lie?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 05, 2016 11:57 PM (d/qVE)

157
118 In a wallet or with some reasonable chance of returning it to the owner, a good person tries to return the money.

Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 11:46 PM (MQEz6)

But my question is this: What moral rule are you breaking if you keep it? You didn't steal anything. You did nothing but find it. What is immoral about keeping it? Specifically.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:50 PM (zc3Db)

I have a duty to try. If I don't, I profit from someone else's bad luck and have to rationalize that it is okay.

I would want my wallet brought to me whole. I once found a woman's purse in a grocery store cart in the parking lot. Her whole life was in that thing. Money, ID, credit cards, etc. It never ocurred to me to keep any of it. It belonged to her. I brought it into the store and left it at the customer service desk.

To say that it was morally okay to do anything else with it is just fucking stupid and self-serving.

Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 11:57 PM (MQEz6)

158 It's not yours. It is the property of someone else.

Posted by: Randolph Bismuth at April 05, 2016 11:52 PM (JgKXW)

Honestly? Not after they lose it.

You really don't have any right (certainly not any moral right) to just throw things out in the street and claim that they are your property if someone walks by and picks one of them up. I mean, think about it. You have to care for your property. It is very odd that you would consider a type of morality where I have to care for your property.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:58 PM (zc3Db)

159 144 moi

Or *lost* items, even.

Posted by: speedster1 at April 05, 2016 11:58 PM (vUcdz)

160 75 McCain came home to a wife who'd been loyal to him and who'd been horribly injured in a car accident. After awhile he started cheating on her and then dumped her.
Posted by: stace at April 05, 2016 11:40 PM (ozZau)

He dumped her for a woman who was much younger than himself, and rich to boot. All his talk about honor is kind of annoying.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 05, 2016 11:58 PM (SXU3d)

161 WI is dairy country mostly. It's cold and snowy. the countryside is pretty during the spring and fall but hot and muggy during the summer.

The people are very rural. Most of the rebels moved to the cities long ago. All that's left is farmers and small timers who like things the way they are.

And that's okay but they don't reflect the rest of the nation much.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 05, 2016 11:56 PM (Xo1Rt)

well, their state mascont is ed gein. someone said paul ryan's family name was gein until someone changed it a couple of decades ago.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 05, 2016 11:58 PM (vb33c)

162
155 Let me ask the horde this: you find $1,000 and find out it belonged to any one of the following people:

Michael Moore
John McCain
John Kerry
Sarah Palin
Bill Ayers
Mitch McConnell
Amy Schumer
Robert Downey Jr

...would you be equally fair to all of these people and return the money? Or is there at least one person on this list for whom you wouldn't?

I can name a few here on this list that I wouldn't bother with trying to return the money.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 05, 2016 11:57 PM (ntObR)

I would return it to any and all of them.

Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 11:58 PM (MQEz6)

163 Good thing there's not a hidden perv-cam in the ladies ONT locker room.

Never mind that extra "smoke detector" there on the ceiling, next to the full length mirror, in the shower and by the towel bin, m'kay?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2016 11:59 PM (McRlu)

164 Stringer, what Shakespeare am I thinking of?

Abbott & Costello Meet the Bard of Avon ?

Posted by: JT at April 05, 2016 11:59 PM (K6pUg)

165 I'd like to think I'd return the money, IF I knew who it belonged to.

Then again, I've never been in that situation...

Posted by: Captain Whitebread On The All-Night Request Line at April 05, 2016 11:59 PM (rJUlF)

166 156 "Really liked you RK...but putting the name on the list"

Hey, can't like everybody. Besides, you want me to lie?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 05, 2016 11:57 PM (d/qVE)

Nah. Just enjoy the weather.

*jealous

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 05, 2016 11:59 PM (hlMPp)

167 "Gay Boys in Bondage??? "

I'm pretty sure that's not it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 05, 2016 11:59 PM (d/qVE)

168 eman, what can I say? You're a better man that I am. :-)

I mean that sincerely.

(I admit that the ONLY one I'd have absolute 100% no guilt about keeping the money? Ayers.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 05, 2016 11:59 PM (ntObR)

169 I can name a few here on this list that I wouldn't bother with trying to return the money.

You left off TFG and Mooch.

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 05, 2016 11:59 PM (3C9q2)

170 Good thing there's not a hidden perv-cam in the ladies ONT locker room.

Never mind that extra "smoke detector" there on the ceiling, next to the full length mirror, in the shower and by the towel bin, m'kay?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2016 11:59 PM (McRlu)

it is not hidden it is on a tripod in the middle of the room.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:00 AM (vb33c)

171 It is very odd that you would consider a type of morality where I have to care for your property.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:58 PM
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Which is why many people would not care to live next to people like you.

Posted by: irright at April 06, 2016 12:00 AM (XfEYT)

172 If you find some money by the side of the road, no prob.

In a wallet or with some reasonable chance of returning it to the owner, a good person tries to return the money.

Beg to disagree. What if that is someone's down payment on a house, or any number of other things. I don't want the bad karma biting me in the ass later.

Maybe it is the childhood RCC guilt.

Posted by: Infidel at April 06, 2016 12:00 AM (H4ONv)

173 RK, I don't know a scene quite like that in Shakspr; maybe someone else will.
Once you're hep to Elizabethan street lingo, a lot of his fast dialogue repartees are side-splitters, with Don Rickles level insults. I'm thinking of the conspirators in Han IV Part I, where, let's see, it's Glendower innit, says "The earth did shake at my nativity," and, Other Guy goes, in E'bethan of course, that's a fart for sure.

Falstaff and Co. are always good for some thinly disguised filth; I imagine the peak must be near the end of Merry Wives where he's caught out disguised with antlers in the park, a real sit com.

What's presented as the high comedy is the play-within-Midsummer's, where you get to laugh at some upper-crusters who are laughing at a crude rural play troupe, who are screwing up, and also laughing at them, and a naked Emma Peel was in the movie -- but Cagney was probably better as "This make an Ass of Me."

Other candidates?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 06, 2016 12:00 AM (xq1UY)

174 test

Posted by: L, Elle at April 06, 2016 12:00 AM (2x3L+)

175 Say, didn't Ace mention some guy named Roger Stone earlier today? I just ran across a twit from him where he called Allen West an "arrogant know it all Negro Republican nutcase."

What a fine specimen.

c/o Bill at Weasel Zippers
http://bit.ly/1UHr0Cx

Hope that isn't too political for the ONT. If so, I'll repost in the daytime.

Posted by: mindful webworker - doesn't twit at April 06, 2016 12:00 AM (5a8XA)

176 If you return the money to Bill Ayers, you get an opportunity to kick him the bojangles!

Posted by: silver linings at April 06, 2016 12:00 AM (dyx2w)

177 Well, according to Torah (Deut. 22:1-3), one is supposed to do everything possible to return list items to their rightful owner.

YMMV

Posted by: speedster1 at April 05, 2016 11:55 PM (vUcdz)

That's a good answer.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 12:01 AM (zc3Db)

178 Primordial: Because it doesn't belong to you. It belongs to someone else. You know who it belongs to, and you are capable of returning it.

Imagine if someone leaving the grocery store accidentally dropped their wallet in front of you without noticing. Would you consider it morally sound to pick up the wallet and keep it? Same thing.

Posted by: Alana at April 06, 2016 12:01 AM (Dhq5N)

179 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:50 PM

Er, property rights are supposed to matter if you are a conservative.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at April 06, 2016 12:01 AM (P8951)

180 61 Another nice day here near SF.

Hot tomorrow, they say.

Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 11:37 PM (MQEz6)

I'm thinking of firing up the AC.

The microclimates can be interesting, though -- here in Santa Clara, it doesn't get hot for more than about 3 days. Alcatraz gets freezing cold when the Central Valley heats up, then a curl off that air goes Oakland, San Leandro, Hayward, Fremont, Milpitas, then Santa Clara. Where are you?

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 12:01 AM (EzgxV)

181 "Nah. Just enjoy the weather.

*jealous'

Punch me back. Weather is good.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 06, 2016 12:02 AM (d/qVE)

182 Posted by: CaliGirl at April 05, 2016 11:44 PM (egOGm)

Baby snakes do doughnuts in our skimmer basket all summer. We have copperheads which gives my snake phobia credence. Shudder.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at April 06, 2016 12:02 AM (GzDYP)

183 adios

Posted by: jake at April 06, 2016 12:02 AM (ltl42)

184 Hey, just saw the update.

Thanks, Maet!!!

Posted by: speedster1 at April 06, 2016 12:02 AM (vUcdz)

185 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:58 PM (zc3Db)

That's fucked up thinking.

Posted by: stace at April 06, 2016 12:02 AM (ozZau)

186 silver linings, for Ayers I donate the money to YAF.

Then I send the terrorist shithead an anonymous note telling him so.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:02 AM (ntObR)

187 It is very odd that you would consider a type of morality where I have to care for your property.

It's the Christian thing to do. I am my brother's keeper. I have been so charged by the man who brought Christianity to humanity.

Posted by: Randolph Bismuth at April 06, 2016 12:02 AM (JgKXW)

188 well, you should make an effort to return the money if you are able. suppose one caveat is if you live in dallas and you turn found money into the police if no one shows up to claim the money the city gets to keep the money. so if yo ufind money in dallas, think hard before you hand it in.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:03 AM (vb33c)

189 Posted by: qdpsteve at April 05, 2016 11:57 PM (ntObR)

Yes I would try to return the money, because if they found $1,000 of my money, I would want them to return it to me.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 06, 2016 12:03 AM (uZNvH)

190 That's it. I've made my decision.

I'm doing the show tomorrow without pants.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread On The All-Night Request Line at April 06, 2016 12:03 AM (rJUlF)

191
172 If you find some money by the side of the road, no prob.

In a wallet or with some reasonable chance of returning it to the owner, a good person tries to return the money.

Beg to disagree. What if that is someone's down payment on a house, or any number of other things. I don't want the bad karma biting me in the ass later.

Maybe it is the childhood RCC guilt.
Posted by: Infidel at April 06, 2016 12:00 AM (H4ONv)

Look, if there is no way to return it to the rightful owner, there is no reason not to keep it.

Posted by: eman at April 06, 2016 12:03 AM (MQEz6)

192 177 TPOP

Thanks

Posted by: speedster1 at April 06, 2016 12:03 AM (vUcdz)

193 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:50 PM (zc3Db)
My worker found a wallet on the highway and brought it to me. I spent an hour tracking her down. Her child's immunization card was in it and I called them. She called me back. They were on vacation up here, she left it on the roof of her car at the gas station she was so happy, she cried.
The police told me to try to find her, if I turned it in to them she'd never get it back.
It was the right thing to do. It would have been immoral for me to keep her money. It wasn't mine.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 06, 2016 12:03 AM (egOGm)

194 Well our policy is sorta don't ask, don't tell, and don't show when it comes to this kind of thing.

Posted by: Maetenloch at April 05, 2016 11:56 PM (pAlYe)

I love you Maet...in a totally non gay way...and where did you get those fabulous boots??

Posted by: Elton John at April 06, 2016 12:04 AM (aRUb8)

195 "Gay Boys in Bondage??? "

I'm pretty sure that's not it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 05, 2016 11:59 PM (d/qVE)

But please continue anyway...

Posted by: Harry Reid at April 06, 2016 12:04 AM (vBeA5)

196 "test

Posted by: L, Elle "

Received.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 06, 2016 12:04 AM (d/qVE)

197 Posted by: qdpsteve

One name on that list is not like the others. He is a violent felon who got off admittedly on a technicality. He has had a charmed life for being a bastard.

While I don't agree with some of the others, they are still far above that plane.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 06, 2016 12:04 AM (wyL+Z)

198 chemjeff, that's a good point.

Kind of wish some conservative journalist a la the Planned Parenthood guy (can't remember his name) would try it with some liberal celebs. Have Amy Schumer or Susan Sarandon find a fat wallet with Mike Huckabee's name on it, see what they would do.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:04 AM (ntObR)

199 193

Exactly. If there is any way to return the money, then it should be returned.

If it's just some loose bills with no ID, then there's no way to determine to who it belongs.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread On The All-Night Request Line at April 06, 2016 12:05 AM (rJUlF)

200 This moral POV of mine could, perhaps likely is, very wrong. But one of my personal problems is that I'm sick of the fact I've always been seen as a wimp.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 05, 2016 11:54 PM (ntObR)

Fine fine...not a wimp. A pussy.

*kidding

You have a good heart, sometimes it sucks. When I was going through some bullshit with people I got a message from an ancient Chinese philosopher....well, fortune cookie. But damn did it fit.

"You are an angel. beware those that pluck feathers."

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 06, 2016 12:05 AM (hlMPp)

201 Yay! It worked.

I don't think not trying to find the owner of lost belongings is technically immoral. I think it's a Do Unto Others thing or maybe even qualifies as a Catholic sin of omission. I have lost so many wallets and cellphones at stores out of carelessness, and I have always had the great fortune of the finders turning them. So, I always make a point of trying to return the favor but I never find anything good.

Posted by: L, Elle at April 06, 2016 12:05 AM (2x3L+)

202 Jinx, also a fair point.

Believe it or not, I'd return money to BO & Co.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:05 AM (ntObR)

203 Posted by: qdpsteve at April 05, 2016 11:57 PM (ntObR)

It's not WHO it belongs to, it's the fact that it isn't yours.

I'd return 5 dollars to Bill Gates or George Soros if I found it and knew it was theirs.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 06, 2016 12:05 AM (q1FtT)

204 Did someone ask for a "tripod"?

Posted by: mini me at April 06, 2016 12:05 AM (UbeIw)

205

190 That's it. I've made my decision.

I'm doing the show tomorrow without pants.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread On The All-Night Request Line at April 06, 2016 12:03 AM (rJUlF)

I think I will have to tune in tomorrow

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 06, 2016 12:05 AM (voOPb)

206 RWC, thanks :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:05 AM (ntObR)

207 I read Don Quixote in 2012. I'd take it to the bar, sit in one of the booths, and drink doubles while I worked through the book.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 06, 2016 12:06 AM (fC9RO)

208 Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 12:01 AM (EzgxV)
North of Santa ynez, solvang.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 06, 2016 12:06 AM (egOGm)

209 -
You really don't have any right (certainly not any moral right) to just
throw things out in the street and claim that they are your property if
someone walks by and picks one of them up.
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You are implying intent by using the phrase "just
throw things out in the street".
That's a bit removed from accidental loss, which is evidenced by the presence of money in the wallet.

Posted by: irright at April 06, 2016 12:06 AM (XfEYT)

210 180 61 Another nice day here near SF.

Hot tomorrow, they say.

Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 11:37 PM (MQEz6)

I'm thinking of firing up the AC.

The microclimates can be interesting, though -- here in Santa Clara, it doesn't get hot for more than about 3 days. Alcatraz gets freezing cold when the Central Valley heats up, then a curl off that air goes Oakland, San Leandro, Hayward, Fremont, Milpitas, then Santa Clara. Where are you?
Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 12:01 AM (EzgxV)

San Mateo.

Yeah, the microclimates can be interesting.

I got cought in a cold mist in the City one night.

It sucked the heat out of me like a succubus.

Posted by: eman at April 06, 2016 12:06 AM (MQEz6)

211 What about walking out of a store and realizing you forgot to pay for Chapstick that fell into the the creases of the cart. Would you go back to pay or figure Target could manage the $.99 loss?

Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2016 12:06 AM (evt7e)

212 It's not WHO it belongs to, it's the fact that it isn't yours.

I'd return 5 dollars to Bill Gates or George Soros if I found it and knew it was theirs.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 06, 2016 12:05 AM (q1FtT)

yeah that's because you want to have a chance to be pals with bill and mindy.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:06 AM (vb33c)

213 Maet's got quite the new fan.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 06, 2016 12:07 AM (d/qVE)

214 Fuck John Kasich.

*back to lurking*

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 06, 2016 12:07 AM (/ciMI)

215 174 test

Posted by: L, Elle at April 06, 2016 12:00 AM (2x3L+)

Didn't come through. The Pixy update requires photo recognition or it does not compute.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 06, 2016 12:07 AM (hlMPp)

216 205

Don't miss the new contest: Guess the color of my boxers and win! (No peeking through the picture window.)

Posted by: Captain Whitebread On The All-Night Request Line at April 06, 2016 12:08 AM (rJUlF)

217 If you like pictures of birds, I posted some on my blog--

http://tinyurl.com/jnscnaa

If you don't like pictures of birds, well, then, time saved!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 06, 2016 12:08 AM (AroJD)

218 Gay couple walk into a cake bakery in Meridian, MS . . .

Posted by: the littl shyning man at April 06, 2016 12:08 AM (U6f54)

219 If people want to push to legalize drugs, then they
can come up with a way to pay for the costs to society, without
taxpayers having to cover it.

Posted by: nerdygirl

Agreed. There is no way that a society can shed the costs of people with serious addiction problems. You can't protect yourself from the calculated crazy of sober people that are messed up, and you can't protect yourself from drug induced crazy from people that are stoned out of there minds.

Ultimately you either lock them up in prison, or lock them up in re-hab.

I've seen too much of it up close. People become addicts or alcoholics for a reason. It's not just poverty or desperation. There is something missing in their mental and psychological make-up, and some of them will become very dangerous to other people. If we could actually figure that out, then maybe things could be legalized.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....tortured American at April 06, 2016 12:08 AM (+1T7c)

220 What about walking out of a store and realizing you forgot to pay for Chapstick that fell into the the creases of the cart. Would you go back to pay or figure Target could manage the $.99 loss?
Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2016 12:06 AM (evt

every time there is an undercharge I notify the clerk. happened two times this weekend. I was at whole foods and spent several mins arguing with a cashier that she had not charged me for three bottles of water. she would not take my money.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:09 AM (vb33c)

221 Cash in the middle of nowhere is completely different than a wallet

What's the old saying? Intregrity is what you do when no one is watching

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 06, 2016 12:09 AM (voOPb)

222 "Would you go back to pay or figure Target could manage the $.99 loss?"

It's clearly nothing. Loss rate at 1%. Retail.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 06, 2016 12:09 AM (d/qVE)

223
You really don't have any right (certainly not any moral right) to just throw things out in the street and claim that they are your property if someone walks by and picks one of them up. I mean, think about it. You have to care for your property. It is very odd that you would consider a type of morality where I have to care for your property.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:58 PM (zc3Db)

Who the f just "throws" their wallet out in the street? People drop things, lose things. It's great that you are so perfect you have never done so and feel entitled to keep someone's belongings because you don't want to "care" for their property (by turning it in - my what a fucking imposition), but most of us have, well, you know, maybe a bit of empathy for someone who has lost their wallets.

You're not only making a disturbingly amoral argument - it's pretty stupid too. And I know you're not stupid.

.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at April 06, 2016 12:09 AM (P8951)

224 Would you consider it morally sound to pick up the wallet and keep it? Same thing.

Posted by: Alana at April 06, 2016 12:01 AM (Dhq5N)

No way. I'd keep the money and give the wallet back. There might be a chicken dinners worth of moola in there and I'm kinda hungry.

Posted by: Michael Moore at April 06, 2016 12:10 AM (aRUb8)

225 In the meantime, I tried a new German restaurant tonight.

Interesting place that's apparently doing well, they've already taken over the Polish place next door and I've heard they have designs on the French bistro across the street.

(Old joke.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:10 AM (ntObR)

226 100 On that POW story, I was trying to say . . . well, it's not uncommon, and not just POWs. Ordinary guys get it too. Wife doesn't like him on deployment all the time. Or he's changed when his twenty is up and home all the time.

I don't know if the divorce rate is any different for military than it is for everyone else.
Posted by: Randolph Bismuth at April 05, 2016 11:45 PM (JgKXW)

When my sister lived in Norfolk, her best friend's husband was on a sub, so she wouldn't hear from him for months. The worst times for them as a couple were when he was on leave because she was used to him not being around, and he was used to being in charge. Needless to say, the marriage didn't last very long.

That said, when I worked in radio, the same things happened. DJ's have really weird work hours, and their spouses usually have normalish hours, so they never see each other.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at April 06, 2016 12:10 AM (1JnAL)

227 211 Lauren

That (sorta) happened to me the other day:

Quick run to Kroger, one item was a small knob of ginger (they were out of MaryAnn, natch). It sort of wedged itself into a corner of the cart while I was unloading onto the checkout conveyer thingie (technical grocery term), had already paid and was wheeling out of the checkout lane when I saw it.

What did I do then?

Posted by: speedster1 at April 06, 2016 12:10 AM (vUcdz)

228 I've found a smartphone nicer than mine at Kindgs Dominion and made sure I got it back to the owner.

Was actually kind of fun calling their contacts to see if they were there.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 06, 2016 12:10 AM (hlMPp)

229 I found an iPhone while at the Portland Swap Meet last week. It was just sitting on a nearby bench to where me and my crony were eating our lunch. Watched it for 10 minutes or so, nobody came by looking for it. So I picked it up, and handed it off to a swap meet usher, who said he would turn it in the lost and found department.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 06, 2016 12:10 AM (UsLZp)

230 I read Don Quixote in 2012. I'd take it to the bar, sit in one of the booths, and drink doubles while I worked through the book.

Heh. I love reading in bars.

I certainly don't want to talk to people and I don't care what's on their TV. A bar is just a good place to get some quiet time with a book.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 06, 2016 12:10 AM (1xUj/)

231 every time there is an undercharge I notify the
clerk. happened two times this weekend. I was at whole foods and spent
several mins arguing with a cashier that she had not charged me for
three bottles of water. she would not take my money.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:09 AM (vb33c)
Yeah if there is an undercharge at a register I definitely say something, because I don't want to get clerks fired for small screwups like that because I was so selfish that I wanted to cheat the store out of $2 or something.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 06, 2016 12:11 AM (uZNvH)

232 How high K-12 standards are like a crazy hitchhiker talking about 7-Minute Abs
-------------

With a name like 'Painful Rectal Itch', it's gotta be great jam!

Posted by: SNL at April 06, 2016 12:11 AM (9mTYi)

233 Posted by: OldDominionMom at April 06, 2016 12:02 AM (GzDYP)
You have it much worse, these are just gopher snakes. I'm going to have someone get the snake tomorrow out of the pool.
After I open the cover, he goes in the vault where the cover is. We can't see him in there.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 06, 2016 12:11 AM (egOGm)

234 People become addicts or alcoholics for a reason. It's not just poverty or desperation. There is something missing in their mental and psychological make-up, and some of them will become very dangerous to other people.

This is one reason why I mainly stay away from alcohol and have never even tried smoking. I've had a few relatives on both sides of the family tree who messed up their lives with drugs and/or booze. If there's any chance that kind of problem is hereditary, I'd rather not risk it.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread On The All-Night Request Line at April 06, 2016 12:11 AM (rJUlF)

235 "What's the old saying? Intregrity is what you do when no one is watching"

It's all about what you do when you think no one is watching. Money. Pron.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 06, 2016 12:12 AM (d/qVE)

236 Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2016 12:06 AM (evt7e)

What happens to me is I go to the self check out at WM and 25% of the time, I miss something, and it's always pouring rain or I have an app when I am loading up the car. And the shameful thing is, it's not always something tiny; I have walked out without paying for 3 cases of Red Bull, jumbo packs of tp, you name it.

I keep the receipt and pay for it the next time I go to the store.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 06, 2016 12:12 AM (q1FtT)

237
211 What about walking out of a store and realizing you forgot to pay for Chapstick that fell into the the creases of the cart. Would you go back to pay or figure Target could manage the $.99 loss?
Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2016 12:06 AM (evt7e)

I'd go back in and buy it or drop it off back in the store.

Posted by: eman at April 06, 2016 12:12 AM (MQEz6)

238 eman, yes, you couldn't return it, but you could donate it to a worthy cause.

The gun range comes to mind.

Posted by: Infidel at April 06, 2016 12:13 AM (H4ONv)

239 21 Cash in the middle of nowhere is completely different than a wallet

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 06, 2016 12:09 AM (voOPb)

Exactly. I found a $50 bill on a sidewalk once - just the bill. There is no way to determine who it belonged to so I didn't have any qualms about keeping the money.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at April 06, 2016 12:13 AM (P8951)

240 make an effort to return everything I am able to return. what I find funny is when someone pretends as if they want to give you a reward but they do not really want to so they say "what can I give you for your trouble?" usually I way "nothing" unless they are really insincere, then I say "blowjob."

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:13 AM (vb33c)

241 That said, when I worked in radio, the same things happened. DJ's have really weird work hours, and their spouses usually have normalish hours, so they never see each other.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac

So, you were the morning DJ at WOLD!

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 06, 2016 12:13 AM (wyL+Z)

242 Er, property rights are supposed to matter if you are a conservative.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at April 06, 2016 12:01 AM (P8951)

I have the utmost respect for property rights. I also understand that the owner is the one responsible for the property.

A couple of people have said that keeping found money would be the same as stealing. It is not. Not in any way, whatsoever.

And then all the hard luck stories with insulin needles, mortgage payments ... that some person just happened to take such good care of that they ended up in the street.

People seem to feel very strongly about this, for some odd reason, but there is still no moral argument that one is bound to return found money. THere are lots of things we find that make up our livelihoods. Things we find that others have thrown away or things we find that others have lost.

People can argue that they feel good about themselves returning these lost items but they cannot make some grand moral argument that you have to do that. And to call keeping found money stealing is just some overreaction to this, in the place of a good argument detailing the moral need for return.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 12:13 AM (zc3Db)

243 131 Oh man. I wish I hadn't read that POW story. That will kill your faith in humanity.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 05, 2016 11:52 PM (SEXy3)

Then don't watch ID Network or Justice Network. They feature true crime shows, many of which involve husbands and wives killing each other for life insurance. Oh, and then their are the kids who kill their parents in order to inherit. There are people out their who are greedy scum.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 06, 2016 12:14 AM (SXU3d)

244 Tammy, I try to always use the self-checkout when the option is available.

I personally find it's oftentimes faster, the line to it (if any) is much shorter, etc etc.

Plus I have a strong hunch, I better learn to use those machines because it's the wave of the future. Especially given the latest min wage news.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:14 AM (ntObR)

245 BC, second bird is a brewers blackbird, third one is a an american coot, nickname mud hen

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 06, 2016 12:14 AM (dULJN)

246 With a name like 'Painful Rectal Itch', it's gotta be great jam!

Ten thousand orphans and nuns!

What's disgusting about that?

They were all eaten by rats!

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 06, 2016 12:14 AM (1xUj/)

247 Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2016 12:06 AM (evt7e)
I go back in and pay.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 06, 2016 12:14 AM (egOGm)

248 I'd go back, Lauren. In fact, I've done so several times in my life.

As for the list, I don't care whose money it was, I'd give it back. And it's not dependent on his little money I might have myself, like that article suggests.

Posted by: Alana at April 06, 2016 12:14 AM (Dhq5N)

249 Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:06 AM (vb33c)

ICK!! Certainly not!

How the hell are ya?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 06, 2016 12:15 AM (q1FtT)

250 Hey, POP, I found this car. Had your name on it, but it was just...lying in the street...figured you wouldn't mind.

Posted by: Right? RIGHT? at April 06, 2016 12:15 AM (/ciMI)

251 The lost wallet test, conducted by Reader's Digest in 2013:

http://tinyurl.com/p9awtye

(Daily Mail article)

This was an international test; I recall another test in just the US comparing cities; DC was easily the worst.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 06, 2016 12:15 AM (gyKtp)

252 That said, when I worked in radio, the same things happened. DJ's have really weird work hours, and their spouses usually have normalish hours, so they never see each other.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac

I worked the morning shift for nearly a decade at one stretch. I was up at 3 a.m., had to be on the air at 6 a.m. I tried to get to bed by 7 p.m.

I'm certain that helped strain the marriage.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread On The All-Night Request Line at April 06, 2016 12:15 AM (rJUlF)

253 Just keep up the rationalization TPOP you are starting to look like a pretzel

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 06, 2016 12:15 AM (voOPb)

254 I should clarify that I keep the receipt so that I remember I need to go back.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 06, 2016 12:15 AM (q1FtT)

255 155 Let me ask the horde this: you find $1,000 and find out it belonged to any one of the following people:

Michael Moore
John McCain
John Kerry
Sarah Palin
Bill Ayers
Mitch McConnell
Amy Schumer
Robert Downey Jr

...would you be equally fair to all of these people and return the money? Or is there at least one person on this list for whom you wouldn't?

I can name a few here on this list that I wouldn't bother with trying to return the money.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 05, 2016 11:57 PM (ntObR)

Certainly, there could be a rule that you should be able to claim compensation for "returning expenses" at about what that person makes in 10 minutes. So, if Hillary Clinton is doing 1 hour talks for $500,000, and you find her purse with $40,000 in it, you shouldn't have any qualms about tossing it at lost-and-found and keeping the cash.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 12:16 AM (EzgxV)

256 yeah I found an iphone too. since it was locked I could not get in to look throught the address book. eventually I realized saying "call mom" would get me to the owner.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:16 AM (vb33c)

257 Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at April 06, 2016 12:13 AM (P8951)
If I found a twenty in the street, and no people around who may have dropped it I would keep it.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 06, 2016 12:16 AM (egOGm)

258 People can argue that they feel good about themselves returning these lost items but they cannot make some grand moral argument that you have to do that. And to call keeping found money stealing is just some overreaction to this, in the place of a good argument detailing the moral need for return.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 12:13 AM (zc3Db)

We can only lead you to the water.

Posted by: eman at April 06, 2016 12:17 AM (MQEz6)

259 ckers count as a "safe space"?
Posted by: Basement Cat at April 05, 2016 11:54 PM (3C9q2)

Wait. Has some moron changed his name to Caitlin?
Is it that BoulderToiletHobo guy?

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 06, 2016 12:17 AM (SXU3d)

260 Don't know if people here know, but major portions of Verizon in California were just taken over by Frontier Communications.

My sister, the one I've told you all about who has some issues, had her shift changed after over 10 years, from graveyard (11pm to 7am) to days. I personally am happy about it, I have a hope and a hunch it will help change her and her family for the better. She was basically chronically sleep-deprived the entire time working the graveyard, helping take care of kids' needs during hours she could (most likely should) have been sleeping.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:17 AM (ntObR)

261 Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:14 AM (ntObR)

Yes! It's almost always a shorter line, and I also feel like it's the wave of the future. Plus, I can pack the bags the way I prefer.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 06, 2016 12:18 AM (q1FtT)

262 How the hell are ya?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 06, 2016 12:15 AM (q1FtT)

well thanks. how the hell are you?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:18 AM (vb33c)

263 Posted by: nerdygirl at April 06, 2016 12:14 AM (SXU3d

I'm safe from Mrs. MH & the kids, whew not enough bucks on me as a dead man

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 06, 2016 12:18 AM (voOPb)

264 ...would you be equally fair to all of these people and return the money? Or is there at least one person on this list for whom you wouldn't?
I can name a few here on this list that I wouldn't bother with trying to return the money.
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 05, 2016 11:57 PM (ntObR)

Yes I would return the money. And in fact I've actually done this at several points in my life. Even when I was pretty poor.

Not because I'm a saint - because I'm most definitely not one. But mainly because my parents so ingrained in me a sense of honesty and honor that I would feel like it was a betrayal of my own self-i mage to not do so. [To give you an idea of where I'm coming from my father once spent a year tracking down the trustee of a candy company that went bust during our school's candy bar sale when he was the treasurer of the school PTA so he could pay them the several thousand dollars the school owed them. And this was in the 70s when a few thousand meant something. He could have easily pocketed the money and no one would ever have known.]

I will admit though that Moore or Ayers would be hard bit to swallow. So honestly I wouldn't expend all that much effort to get it back to them and would probably do it anonymously so there wouldn't be any interaction which might make me regret my actions.

Posted by: Maetenloch at April 06, 2016 12:18 AM (pAlYe)

265 cthulhu, hmmm... ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:18 AM (ntObR)

266 A friend of mine was following a Japanese blog when the earthquake hit some years ago.

Guy was in a store, everyone ran out in a panic with all the stuff in their hands. Then when the quake was over they all walked back inside to pay for the stuff.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 06, 2016 12:18 AM (1xUj/)

267 McGinnis never breaks character.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 06, 2016 12:18 AM (VdICR)

268 []

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 06, 2016 12:19 AM (d/qVE)

269 Oops.
What if "certain commenters" claim they identify as wimmenz? Do the ONT lockers count as a "safe space"?
Posted by: Basement Cat at April 05, 2016 11:54 PM (3C9q2)

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 06, 2016 12:19 AM (SXU3d)

270 Maet, thoughtful response, thanks :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:19 AM (ntObR)

271 Hey, POP, I found this car. Had your name on it, but it was just...lying in the street...figured you wouldn't mind.

Posted by: Right? RIGHT? at April 06, 2016 12:15 AM (/ciMI)

Yeah ... not quite there. Good try, though.

Just keep up the rationalization TPOP you are starting to look like a pretzel

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 06, 2016 12:15 AM (voOPb)

Nothing wrong with that. I like pretzels.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 12:19 AM (zc3Db)

272 I don't use the self-checkout line, because I usually pay cash, and because the more people use the self-checkouts, the more likely the stores will deliberately understaff the "manned" checkouts.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 06, 2016 12:20 AM (UsLZp)

273 People seem to feel very strongly about this, for some odd reason, but
there is still no moral argument that one is bound to return found
money.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 12:13 AM
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Thank goodness we have someone here who can finally line us out on what's moral and what's not.

(Great thing about arguing about morality is both sides get to feel morally superior.)

Posted by: irright at April 06, 2016 12:21 AM (XfEYT)

274 Yeah if there is an undercharge at a register I definitely say something, because I don't want to get clerks fired for small screwups like that because I was so selfish that I wanted to cheat the store out of $2 or something.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 06, 2016 12:11 AM (uZNvH)

yeah it wold be terrible for someone to get in trouble for something you did.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:21 AM (vb33c)

275 Tammy, exactamundo :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:21 AM (ntObR)

276 I mainly check my receipt to get angry at how much tax I paid this time.

Posted by: 13% for the privilege of purchasing an item at April 06, 2016 12:21 AM (dyx2w)

277 @225 Time to update the German restaurant joke with some new kitchen help "of undetermined origin."

To get a good look at what the old timers thought was a hoot, I recommend Apuleius' "The Golden Ass." Don't know why it's not a movie.

I seem to recall, not too long ago, "A Funny Thing...Forum" having a revival on Broadway, and a special Tony or some such going to the author. Plautus. 254-184. B.C.
Plus Buster Keaton was in the movie so you know it's really old.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 06, 2016 12:21 AM (xq1UY)

278 I found a cellphone last week at the casino and turned it in. I've found a wallet there too; same thing.

But when I find a $20 bill on the floor, I'm keeping it.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 06, 2016 12:22 AM (gyKtp)

279 You know, Primordial, you keep demanding some moral rule or argument for returning the money, and at the same time insisting there is no moral imperative. Even when people are explaining their moral reasoning to you.

Why?

And what is your moral rule that says it's okay to keep the money? Where is that rule? Just because you say so?

Posted by: Alana at April 06, 2016 12:22 AM (Dhq5N)

280 In SCTV's first season in Canada there was a parody commercial of "Shakespeare's Greatest Jokes" where the book for sale was only a small pamphlet but the accompanying book "explaining" the jokes was the size of a Gutenberg Bible.

"You'll laugh the nose off the middle of your face!"

Posted by: andycanuck at April 06, 2016 12:22 AM (UbeIw)

281 Stringer, not a bad idea...

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:22 AM (ntObR)

282 #64

Believe it or not, I read about half of that book while waiting in a jail cell. It was the teenage year I spent traveling on the carnival circuit, working for a guy from my home town who had a side show. He was third of forth generation circus folk and his father's circus used to winter in Thousand Oaks.

In Merced the patch didn't go through. This is the payment to local authorities and/or organized crime to allow the show to do business. (The character played by Robbie Robertson in the movie 'Carny' had both that name and job.) So the cops were busting anyone on the midway on the slightest pretext they could imagine on the spot. Other than those minors traveling with their families, I was almost certainly the only minor there who wsn't a runaway. They decided to take me into juvie on that basis though, and I had a copy of 'Don Quixote' as the only thing available to pass time while waiting for my brother and sister to drive up to get me out.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 12:22 AM (IdCqF)

283 I don't use self-checkout because I go to the store to shop not to work.

Posted by: eman at April 06, 2016 12:22 AM (MQEz6)

284
208 Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 12:01 AM (EzgxV)
North of Santa ynez, solvang.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 06, 2016 12:06 AM (egOGm)

Having matriculated from the University of Casual Sun Bathing, I'm somewhat familiar with the area.....though I confess I had thought you were on the Western side of 101 before.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 12:23 AM (EzgxV)

285 Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 12:22 AM (IdCqF)

You always have the most epic stories!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 06, 2016 12:24 AM (q1FtT)

286 People can argue that they feel good about themselves returning these lost items but they cannot make some grand moral argument that you have to do that. And to call keeping found money stealing is just some overreaction to this, in the place of a good argument detailing the moral need for return.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 12:13 AM (zc3Db)

Right, sure, OK. People have drawn distinctions between finding money in a wallet that is clearly marked as belonging to another and just finding bills on the street which cannot not traced back to anybody else, but sure, since you want to pretend that there is no moral difference, be my guest, because it's late and I'm ready to retire for the evening.

If you have reached adulthood without being taught that it is wrong to keep what clearly does not belong to you, than nobody in a blog comments section is going to change your sense of entitlement. You will continue to think you are right and everyone else is just posing. People who are dishonest have a hard time believing others might be honest. I understand.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at April 06, 2016 12:24 AM (P8951)

287 -
251
The lost wallet test, conducted by Reader's Digest in 2013:
http://tinyurl.com/p9awtye
(Daily Mail article)
This was an international test; I recall another test in just the US comparing cities; DC was easily the worst.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 06, 2016 12:15 AM

---------------

To be fair the jobs in D.C. mostly involve taking people's wallets.

Posted by: irright at April 06, 2016 12:24 AM (XfEYT)

288 Growing up my fathers rules were quite simple, don't lie, don't cover a fvck up wit lies & don't steal. A couple of times we pushed him. It didn't turn out well for my little brother &'myself. TUhgt my kids the same thing

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 06, 2016 12:25 AM (voOPb)

289 Posted by: CaliGirl at April 06, 2016 12:11 AM (egOGm)

ODDad used to relocate them, until he spent a night with our pup at the the doggy E.R. with a bite that could've taken his life. This was after our full grown lab's bite made her almost immobile. I've learned to appreciate the black rat snakes, garters and green ones, but copperheads can go to hell. It sounds like gopher snakes could be useful, but I'd still freak out.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at April 06, 2016 12:25 AM (GzDYP)

290 So since I asked I'll tell you what I do.

If it's something under $5 or so, and I'm with my horde of children, I tell myself I spend a shameful amount there anyway and just keep loading.

This position is largely shaped by an experience I had several years ago. I had 4 kids with me and got to the van and realized we had failed to pay for a bag of peaches. So I dutifully unbuckled the kids from the car and went back to pay.

The cashier looked at me like I had 4 heads and asked "why'd you come back?!" after I explained the situation. So I figured if they don't care, I'm not going to feel to terrible about it either.

Now, if it's just me or it's a larger item, of course I go back.

Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2016 12:25 AM (evt7e)

291 210 180 61 Another nice day here near SF.

Hot tomorrow, they say.

Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 11:37 PM (MQEz6)

I'm thinking of firing up the AC.

The microclimates can be interesting, though -- here in Santa Clara, it doesn't get hot for more than about 3 days. Alcatraz gets freezing cold when the Central Valley heats up, then a curl off that air goes Oakland, San Leandro, Hayward, Fremont, Milpitas, then Santa Clara. Where are you?
Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 12:01 AM (EzgxV)

San Mateo.

Yeah, the microclimates can be interesting.

I got cought in a cold mist in the City one night.

It sucked the heat out of me like a succubus.

Posted by: eman at April 06, 2016 12:06 AM (MQEz6)

People go into the City in the summer dressed like they're visiting Livermore....I'm surprised there aren't more fatalities.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 12:25 AM (EzgxV)

292 I don't use self-checkout because I go to the store to shop not to work.

I use self-checkout but I do apply this theory to buffets.

Posted by: grill it and bring it to my tent at April 06, 2016 12:26 AM (dyx2w)

293 An experiment: Leave a wallet with some cash that has been soaked in DMSO and bath salts...

Posted by: The "Scientific" Hat at April 06, 2016 12:26 AM (vBeA5)

294 well, the moral rule argument about turning in found money or whatever is not entirely wrong, however, lack of a rule does not mean you are not able to set a higher standard for yourself. Similar to being gentlemanly, you set a higher personal standard.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:26 AM (vb33c)

295 As for lost wallets, I turn them in to the customer service desk.

Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2016 12:27 AM (evt7e)

296 Chili today; hot tamale.

Posted by: mexico city weather bureau at April 06, 2016 12:27 AM (UbeIw)

297 --
And to call keeping found money stealing is just some overreaction to
this, in the place of a good argument detailing the moral need for
return.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 12:13 AM

---------------

Please demonstrate a good moral argument against stealing that would not apply to keeping a lost wallet with money and I.D.

Posted by: irright at April 06, 2016 12:27 AM (XfEYT)

298 If I found a twenty in the street, and no people around who may have dropped it I would keep it.
Posted by: CaliGirl
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A long time ago, I picked up my mail at the collective mail box spot in some apartments where I was living. I opened my mail as I walked to my car, which was parked in sort of a courtyard.

I went off and ran whatever errand I had to look after, and came back. Walking through the courtyard again, I spied a $10 bill lying on the ground, so I picked it up. I posted a note at the mailboxes saying that I had found some money in the courtyard, and anyone who had lost some should drop by my apartment.

That $10 bill lay on my coffee table for a week or ten days, then, I happened to give my mother a telephone call. "Did you get that $10 that I sent you?", she asked...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 06, 2016 12:28 AM (9mTYi)

299 Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:17 AM (ntObR)
I'm happy for her. Shift work like that must be difficult with children to care for. She must have had little patience.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 06, 2016 12:28 AM (egOGm)

300 155 Let me ask the horde this: you find $1,000 and find out it belonged to any one of the following people:

Michael Moore
John McCain
John Kerry
Sarah Palin
Bill Ayers
Mitch McConnell
Amy Schumer
Robert Downey Jr

...would you be equally fair to all of these people and return the money? Or is there at least one person on this list for whom you wouldn't?

I can name a few here on this list that I wouldn't bother with trying to return the money.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 05, 2016 11:57 PM (ntObR)

I would return it to any and all of them.
Posted by: eman at April 05, 2016 11:58 PM (MQEz6)

If you return it, you do so because it's the right thing to do. I don't think your dislike of someone should enter into it. Frankly, there are quite a few people I dislike. If I found Hillary Clinton's purse, with $5000 of her ill-gotten gains in it, I would return it. I hate her guts, but I wouldn't lower myself to be a greedy cow like her.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 06, 2016 12:28 AM (SXU3d)

301 "Believe it or not, I read about half of that book while waiting in a jail cell."

And this, my friends, is why I can't quit this place.

Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2016 12:28 AM (evt7e)

302 217 If you like pictures of birds, I posted some on my blog--

http://tinyurl.com/jnscnaa

If you don't like pictures of birds, well, then, time saved!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 06, 2016 12:08 AM (AroJD)

I believe that the one you potentially identify as a gosling is, in fact, a coot. And the predator with the white tail looks a helluva lot like a bald eagle.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 12:29 AM (EzgxV)

303 CaliGirl, thanks, me too.

Right now she's not happy about it, she says she liked the night shift, but from what everyone else can see of her life the way it is now... it was ruining her life.

My sister's not completely crazy, I think she'll come around after awhile.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:29 AM (ntObR)

304 #155

I'd have Michael Moore make a donation to the National Review's foundation or some other organization that would horrify him.

Some of Bill Ayer's victims are likely still alive or have suitable heirs to benefit.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 12:30 AM (IdCqF)

305 "Did you get that $10 that I sent you?", she asked...
Posted by: Mike Hammer,
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Shit. Allergies.
I miss you mom.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 06, 2016 12:30 AM (9mTYi)

306 Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2016 12:25 AM (evt7e)

Ain't no way I'd go back with a car load of kids! Or even one. I absolutely get that.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 06, 2016 12:30 AM (q1FtT)

307 I found a cellphone last week at the casino and turned it in. I've found a wallet there too; same thing.

But when I find a $20 bill on the floor, I'm keeping it.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 06, 2016 12:22 AM (gyKtp)

I think the test should be: is the nature of the found item such that a reasonable person would expect there to be a good probability of identifying the owner? A lone $20 bill? No chance in hell, unless maybe it had a phone number written on it. A leopard-skin pillbox hat? Probably. A large and specific sum of money? Probably. Say you found a non-descript sack with $219,650 in it. You could post an ad in all the appropriate venues: "Found sack containing large sum of money at corner of 12th and Elm. Owner may claim by identifying the sum." Because chances are the rightful owner, and only the rightful owner, knows the exact amount of money in the sack, because, say, it was the proceeds of the sale of a house or suchlike.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 06, 2016 12:30 AM (UsLZp)

308 nerdygirl, hmmm... :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:30 AM (ntObR)

309 "Believe it or not, I read about half of that book while waiting in a jail cell."

And this, my friends, is why I can't quit this place.
Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2016 12:28 AM

Ya, me too. I get mad. I go away. I come back and someone makes me mad again. Then someone makes me laugh.

Posted by: Randolph Bismuth at April 06, 2016 12:31 AM (JgKXW)

310 Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:29 AM (ntObR)

Sleep will definitely help! I'm happy for her.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 06, 2016 12:31 AM (q1FtT)

311 Epobirs, good alternative. I might do the same.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:31 AM (ntObR)

312 Tammy, I agree, thanks :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:31 AM (ntObR)

313 People go into the City in the summer dressed like they're visiting Livermore....I'm surprised there aren't more fatalities.
Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 12:25 AM (EzgxV)

That's what happened with me. It was hot during the day.

I think I was in Japantown. I was taking Japanese lessons. Did I mention the sensai were all drop-dead gorgeous?

Posted by: eman at April 06, 2016 12:32 AM (MQEz6)

314 I would comment but I'd get censored, so.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 06, 2016 12:32 AM (d/qVE)

315 176 If you return the money to Bill Ayers, you get an opportunity to kick him the bojangles!
Posted by: silver linings at April 06, 2016 12:00 AM (dyx2w)

And ask him if it's part of all that rich, evil, capitalist money he inherited.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 06, 2016 12:32 AM (SXU3d)

316 Just wondering ... a little hypothetical for you folks:

You find a wallet on the ground with ID and $53 in it. You take it to the owner and hand it to him. He opens up the wallet and asks you where the other $1000 is. You say that that's all there was when you found it. He screams at you, accuses you of stealing his money and later files a suit to recover his lost (now "stolen") $1000.

That might well be the last time you feel compelled to return such things ... Maybe not, but maybe so.

I think if you returned a bag of money to the bank and the bank claimed that $20,000 of it was missing you would probably end up in jail. Just something to consider.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 12:32 AM (zc3Db)

317 Heh. I like the bird pics.

Seagulls are such bitches. They will spend so much energy trying to steal food from each other that they could have got their own for half the effort, but they're not wired that way.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 06, 2016 12:33 AM (1xUj/)

318 Hasta...

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 06, 2016 12:33 AM (d/qVE)

319 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 06, 2016 12:28 AM (9mTYi
You found your own money. You did the right thing by posting the note, not realizing you dropped it.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 06, 2016 12:33 AM (egOGm)

320 People go into the City in the summer dressed like they're visiting Livermore....I'm surprised there aren't more fatalities.

There's a good reason the SF zoo stocks lots of sweatshirts and jackets.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 06, 2016 12:34 AM (YJmuy)

321 I've decided to raise my bamboo plant to be gender-neutral.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 06, 2016 12:34 AM (VdICR)

322 Goodnight, my friends in boxes (boxy friends?).

My pillow is calling my name.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread On The All-Night Request Line at April 06, 2016 12:34 AM (rJUlF)

323 >>>>> I can name a few here on this list that I wouldn't bother with trying to return the money.
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 05, 2016 11:57 PM (ntObR)
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Well, honestly, I would return the money to the people on the list that I like. I'd keep the money of the Bill Ayers, Hilary types and give it away to a charity that they hate like a crisis pregancy center. I wouldn't feel guilty about it all.

Posted by: L, Elle at April 06, 2016 12:34 AM (2x3L+)

324 ----------

To be fair the jobs in D.C. mostly involve taking people's wallets.

You forgot, hearts,souls & dreams. The IRS would be my agency put down as King MH

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 06, 2016 12:34 AM (voOPb)

325 I will admit though that Moore or Ayers would be hard bit to swallow. So honestly I wouldn't expend all that much effort to get it back to them and would probably do it anonymously so there wouldn't be any interaction which might make me regret my actions.

Posted by: Maetenloch at April 06, 2016 12:18 AM (pAlYe)

I wouldn't piss on Moore or Ayers if they were on fire. Seriously.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 12:34 AM (zc3Db)

326 several years ago I was in the checkout line at the grocery store and a guy dropped a wad of at least $500 when he was trying to put it into his pocket. sigh, I just gave it back to him. was slightly momentarily tempting.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:34 AM (vb33c)

327 Seagulls, flying rats

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 06, 2016 12:35 AM (dULJN)

328 #311

Some people I may not like but wouldn't feel compelled to knowingly rip them off. People who are utterly loathsome would challenge my moral fortitude, which I admit has been found wanting in the past, so splitting the difference is likely the best I could do.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 12:35 AM (IdCqF)

329 It looks like several people here would really enjoy a 200 level Ethics course. It also looks like someone else here really should have, and not as an elective either.

The key to the issue is not whether someone will be watching. It's the amount. Almost anyone is honest with amounts that are significant. Once you get into amounts that are transformative, the daily understanding goes away.

We used to say "a million dollars," but believe me, I've been in these discussion with people who have thought it through, and that's not enough. You have to cipher out what amount for you would be enough to move away, live an entirely different life, and never exhaust the principal (because you can't do above-board investing with "found" money). So now we're talking about "finding" lottery-level funds, nowadays thought of as above $10 mil. Mileage varies.

This is one reason some anti-gamblers don't like having mega lottos around. It leads people to fantasize about that. Traditional religious strictures are not enough to equip everyday people with a resistance to transformative wealth.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 06, 2016 12:35 AM (xq1UY)

330 nerdygirl, HA! :-)

L Elle and Primordial, hmmm. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:35 AM (ntObR)

331 well, the moral rule argument about turning in found money or whatever is not entirely wrong, however, lack of a rule does not mean you are not able to set a higher standard for yourself. Similar to being gentlemanly, you set a higher personal standard.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:26 AM (vb33c)

Thank you, yankee. That was my point.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 12:36 AM (zc3Db)

332 261 Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:14 AM (ntObR)

Yes! It's almost always a shorter line, and I also feel like it's the wave of the future. Plus, I can pack the bags the way I prefer.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 06, 2016 12:18 AM (q1FtT)

It used to be that there were codified rules for packing bags, and a national competition to see who could pack bags fastest according to the rules. Now, you're luck if your genius cashier doesn't put your ice cream on top of your hot roasted chicken.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 12:36 AM (EzgxV)

333 Posted by: nerdygirl at April 06, 2016 12:28 AM (SXU3d)
I agree, even though I don't like some of those people, I'd return it.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 06, 2016 12:36 AM (egOGm)

334 55 Let me ask the horde this: you find $1,000 and find out it belonged to any one of the following people:

Michael Moore
John McCain
John Kerry
Sarah Palin
Bill Ayers
Mitch McConnell
Amy Schumer
Robert Downey Jr

...would you be equally fair to all of these people and return the money? Or is there at least one person on this list for whom you wouldn't?

I can name a few here on this list that I wouldn't bother with trying to return the money.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 05, 2016 11:57 PM (ntObR)

well you may not return it but you could simply put it back where you found it.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:36 AM (vb33c)

335 186 silver linings, for Ayers I donate the money to YAF.

Then I send the terrorist shithead an anonymous note telling him so.
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:02 AM (ntObR)

Or you could ask him if he ever donated any of his filthy, inherited capitalist money to the family of that cop that he and his wife helped to kill.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 06, 2016 12:37 AM (SXU3d)

336 y5, hadn't thought of that... :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:37 AM (ntObR)

337 --
316
Just wondering ... a little hypothetical for you folks:

You find a wallet on the ground with ID and $53 in it. You take it
to the owner and hand it to him. He opens up the wallet and asks you
where the other $1000 is. You say that that's all there was when you
found it. He screams at you, accuses you of stealing his money and
later files a suit to recover his lost (now "stolen") $1000.

That might well be the last time you feel compelled to return such things ... Maybe not, but maybe so.

I think if you returned a bag of money to the bank and the bank
claimed that $20,000 of it was missing you would probably end up in
jail. Just something to consider.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 12:32 AM

---------------

Dude, you don't need our blessing. You seem dead set on it, go ahead and keep other people's money. Just don't expect me to join you.

Posted by: irright at April 06, 2016 12:37 AM (XfEYT)

338 nerdygirl, also a great alternative :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:38 AM (ntObR)

339 I think if you returned a bag of money to the bank and the bank claimed that $20,000 of it was missing you would probably end up in jail. Just something to consider.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 12:32 AM (zc3Db)

So you are attempting to justify theft on your part by imagining that the owner of the lost goods would make a false accusation of theft against you. Got it. Pretzel, twice twisted.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 06, 2016 12:38 AM (UsLZp)

340 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 12:32 AM (zc3Db)

I don't think either case makes it to trial, but who knows?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 06, 2016 12:39 AM (q1FtT)

341 Argh. My mother and sister insist on watching the same shows in different parts of the house, mainly because my sister wants to also be on her PC. (She doesn't care for laptops or tablets.) So the delay between two audio outputs makes it sound like my own room adjoins some big convention space where a group speech is being given.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 12:39 AM (IdCqF)

342 'Night horde. Have a great Wednesday.

[] close to asking the office crush out.

Prayers

Posted by: RWC- Team BOHICA at April 06, 2016 12:39 AM (hlMPp)

343 Cervantes is good. Most of Shakespeare's soliloquies are expanding an insight Cervantes had.

A lot of the humour hasn't aged well, but there's quite a bit that's about the human condition, and that stuff is timeless.

Posted by: Luke at April 06, 2016 12:39 AM (XU7n3)

344 Not quite the same as found money, but cop friend stopped by for a snack while on duty in our area when he got a call for, "bag of clothes in our yard." Really? He said he might try to convince them to donate said clothes instead of sending them into evidence.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at April 06, 2016 12:39 AM (GzDYP)

345 For Robert Downey Jr, I'd absolutely return his money. I don't care that he's already practically a billionaire.

Everything I've read about him says 'class act' to me. I especially respect that he's one of the few in Hollywood calling for forgiveness for Mel Gibson.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:39 AM (ntObR)

346 People can argue that they feel good about
themselves returning these lost items but they cannot make some grand
moral argument that you have to do that. And to call keeping found
money stealing is just some overreaction to this, in the place of a good
argument detailing the moral need for return.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 12:13 AM (zc3Db)
This is a subject that is very important in libertarian theorist circles. It goes from theories on limits of property ownership through determining what the difference is between stealing, squatting and homesteading.
What is fascinating is that this subject makes people insane. The question of whether free- or Innocent-passage is valid, or if it is a form of adverse possession, and what is necessary to establish title or claim to property makes normally placid, easygoing people foam at the mouth and start trying to bite. And the screaming about the persistence of ownership when things are not in actual possession is amazing

I once followed a blog which was written by an author who wrote stories about werefolk and orbital saragasso weed, and discovered a fight going on about whether a science fiction book was unrealistic because it had a scene where there was a discussion about the merits of charging rent and penalties for adverse occupation of a balcony because one of the characters fell off a roof and grabbed the railing to save its life. Oh, and it espoused hard currency.
NO! they said, it is hack unrealistic writing because one of the characters is a giant ammonite, and another is an uplifted dog, and the character names are just English names spelled backwards! and NOONE can live on an asteroid!The US will never go Socialist! Strong female characters are not good writing!Stupid hack work!
Anyhow, that was the sound of someone's ox being gored.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 06, 2016 12:39 AM (dKa8Z)

347 Argh. My mother and sister insist on watching the same shows in different parts of the house, mainly because my sister wants to also be on her PC. (She doesn't care for laptops or tablets.) So the delay between two audio outputs makes it sound like my own room adjoins some big convention space where a group speech is being given.
Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 12:39 AM (IdCqF)

kick em out.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:42 AM (vb33c)

348 Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:36 AM (vb33c)
I like your solution.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 06, 2016 12:42 AM (egOGm)

349 You find a wallet on the ground with ID and $53 in it. You take it to the owner and hand it to him. He opens up the wallet and asks you where the other $1000 is. You say that that's all there was when you found it. He screams at you, accuses you of stealing his money and later files a suit to recover his lost (now "stolen") $1000.

That might well be the last time you feel compelled to return such things ... Maybe not, but maybe so.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 12:32 AM (zc3Db)

Ridiculous and it wouldn't go to court, in fact any cop or attorney would laugh at anyone who tried to claim that. First of all,

1 He has no way of proving that there was $1000 in there. He'd say there was, you'd say there wasn't and so it would go nowhere. If he noticed missing credit cards that would be different, however,

2. If a person was dishonest and took $1000 (or credit cards) out of a wallet, it's completely unlikely he or she would then return it to the owner with $50 still in it. In fact, it would be a pretty bone-headed move. No, the thief would just keep the whole thing.

As MH noted, you are using pretzel logic to try to convince yourself and us that returning a wallet with money and ID to the owner might be a bad and dangerous thing to do, but it's very farfetched scenario.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at April 06, 2016 12:42 AM (P8951)

350 #329

Once you exhaust the principle, maintaining the principal is the challenge.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 12:43 AM (IdCqF)

351
If I find a sum of money I most certainly AM obligated to attempt to return it or place it with someone who can id the owner.

Trying to get it back to the owner is a nobrainer.

If you can't, then keeping it or donating to a local charity works.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 06, 2016 12:43 AM (P/8aq)

352 I certainly don't want to talk to people and I don't
care what's on their TV. A bar is just a good place to get some quiet
time with a book.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 06, 2016 12:10 AM (1xUj/)
It has to be the right kind of bar. At the time I was living with my dad and stepmom in Portland while I looked for work (just left the Army), and the place was a little bar and grill with a bunch of regulars and cheap booze.
Here in Colorado Springs I've had no luck finding some place similar.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 06, 2016 12:43 AM (fC9RO)

353 Epobirs and Y5, LOL.

I've heard that kind of thing. Reminds me of the famous Lou Gehrig scene:

"Today (today) I consider myself (consider myself) the luckiest man (luckiest man) on the face (the face) of the earth (the earth)..."

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:43 AM (ntObR)

354 An honest man's conscience is his pillow

Posted by: Something someone said at April 06, 2016 12:44 AM (9mTYi)

355 That is indeed a Coot, Cthulu.

And also, the white tailed raptor is a Sky Carp.

Posted by: garrett at April 06, 2016 12:44 AM (TnP/y)

356 "kick em out.
"

Or return to life as a carnie.

Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2016 12:44 AM (evt7e)

357 Helping old ladies cross the street is just stupid.

If they're going to get run over anyway it just culls the herd.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 06, 2016 12:45 AM (1xUj/)

358 Goodnight RWC, I'm out too.
Have fun everyone.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 06, 2016 12:45 AM (egOGm)

359 Most horde are honorable people. Some arent

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 06, 2016 12:45 AM (voOPb)

360 If you need to take ethics classes, you won't learn anything

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 06, 2016 12:46 AM (dULJN)

361 290 So since I asked I'll tell you what I do.
..

That's kind of what I did just last week. I was leaving Target, and i hadnt paid for hair bands worth a couple of bucks that were jammed in between the seat and the rest of cart.

I was so stupid-tired from crap that was going on that week (surgeries on both husband and dog, and extra volunteer work) that I had accidentally gotten into the express lane and been yelled at by the cashier. Btw, a VERY nice man in the next lane saw what happened and offered to let me cut in front of him, but I declined because I had so much stuff.

So when I was unloading and saw the headbands I said fuck it, I've spent thousands of dollars here, and at least once I've walked out and left behind something I paid for. Ordinarily though I'd go back and pay for it.

Posted by: stace at April 06, 2016 12:46 AM (ozZau)

362 And the screaming about the persistence of ownership when things are not in actual possession is amazing

Yep. I think it's just that most people haven't spent much time thinking about it and are just quickly trying to sew up some loose ends to what they think "should" be the right thing.

and discovered a fight going on about whether a science fiction book was unrealistic because it had a scene where there was a discussion about the merits of charging rent and penalties for adverse occupation of a balcony because one of the characters fell off a roof and grabbed the railing to save its life.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 06, 2016 12:39 AM (dKa8Z)

LOL. I love your writing style, BTW.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 12:46 AM (zc3Db)

363 320 People go into the City in the summer dressed like they're visiting Livermore....I'm surprised there aren't more fatalities.

There's a good reason the SF zoo stocks lots of sweatshirts and jackets.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 06, 2016 12:34 AM (YJmuy)

....as do all the tourist shops.

Incidentally, I used to be a sustaining member of the SF Zoo.....until the Christmas thing where some young thugs were teasing a tiger and it got out of its enclosure by climbing one's dangling leg, killed him, then stalked the other two until it was shot. The moat for the tiger enclosure had decades of uncleared debris that had lessened its depth by about 1/3. In the meantime, all the donations from sustaining members were used to fund new exhibits.....

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 12:47 AM (EzgxV)

364 -
357
Helping old ladies cross the street is just stupid.

If they're going to get run over anyway it just culls the herd.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 06, 2016 12:45 AM
--------

Also, they might accuse you of rape.

Posted by: irright at April 06, 2016 12:47 AM (XfEYT)

365 >>I think if you returned a bag of money to the bank and the bank claimed that $20,000 of it was missing you would probably end up in jail. Just something to consider.

You don't return it to the Bank. You take it to the Police (and you can file paperwork with them which will allow you to keep the funds if they go unclaimed).

Posted by: garrett at April 06, 2016 12:47 AM (TnP/y)

366 Epobirs and Y5, LOL.

I've heard that kind of thing. Reminds me of the famous Lou Gehrig scene:

"Today (today) I consider myself (consider myself) the luckiest man (luckiest man) on the face (the face) of the earth (the earth)..."
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:43 AM (ntObR)

heh

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:48 AM (vb33c)

367 Or return to life as a carnie.
Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2016 12:44 AM (evt7e)

nearly choked on my scotch, very funny.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:50 AM (vb33c)

368 Good night, horde.

359 Most horde are honorable people. Some arent
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 06, 2016 12:45 AM (voOPb)

well, it's probably good to know which is which so you ever run into them at a MOME, you'll know to keep your hand on your wallet when they're around.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at April 06, 2016 12:50 AM (P8951)

369 #354, thanks for a lovely and apt metaphor.

Posted by: vivi at April 06, 2016 12:50 AM (11H2y)

370 ...until the Christmas thing where some young thugs were teasing a tiger
and it got out of its enclosure by climbing one's dangling leg, killed
him, then stalked the other two until it was shot.

Makes me glad all I needed was a sweatshirt.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 06, 2016 12:51 AM (YJmuy)

371 351 IG

Why?

That's what (I think) TPOP is asking.

I gave my answer (#114).

Still good with that.

Posted by: speedster1 at April 06, 2016 12:51 AM (vUcdz)

372 night QDPS, L, TAT, CG, Everyone.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:51 AM (vb33c)

373 @360 That's the most profoundly stupid thing I've read here yet today.
You don't take the classes to "learn" ethics. It's not Catechism. You take them to learn how to think about ethics. It's a science. So you don't end up getting hog-tied by a bullshitter like Certain Party above.

If I thought for a second you really meant that I'd call you a jackhole.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 06, 2016 12:52 AM (xq1UY)

374 361 290 So since I asked I'll tell you what I do.
..

That's kind of what I did just last week. I was leaving Target, and i hadnt paid for hair bands worth a couple of bucks that were jammed in between the seat and the rest of cart.

I was so stupid-tired from crap that was going on that week (surgeries on both husband and dog, and extra volunteer work) that I had accidentally gotten into the express lane and been yelled at by the cashier. Btw, a VERY nice man in the next lane saw what happened and offered to let me cut in front of him, but I declined because I had so much stuff.

So when I was unloading and saw the headbands I said fuck it, I've spent thousands of dollars here, and at least once I've walked out and left behind something I paid for. Ordinarily though I'd go back and pay for it.

Posted by: stace at April 06, 2016 12:46 AM (ozZau)

If it's mouse nuts, you can tell yourself: "y'know -- someday, I'm going to buy something that I know I have coupon for, without using the coupon."

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 12:52 AM (EzgxV)

375 211 What about walking out of a store and realizing you forgot to pay for Chapstick that fell into the the creases of the cart. Would you go back to pay or figure Target could manage the $.99 loss?
Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2016 12:06 AM (evt7e)

I've done it with things larger than that. By the way, I once bought a case of soda pop at a grocery store. I had put it on the lower shelf of the grocery cart and left it in the cart. When I got home I realized this and went back to the store. I couldn't find the cart with the pop, but I went to an employee and told them what had happened. The manager replaced the pop that I had left through my own carelessness.

Another time, I went to the movies and when it came time to pay for the ticket, realized that my wallet wasn't in the purse. The manager came over and gave me a free pass so I wouldn't have to go home to get my wallet.

I think it's best to "do unto others". Sometimes people are douchebags, but often complete strangers look out for us, and it makes life worth living.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 06, 2016 12:52 AM (SXU3d)

376 Goodnight y5

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:52 AM (ntObR)

377 Goodnight Y5. Sweet dreams tonight

Posted by: L, Elle at April 06, 2016 12:52 AM (2x3L+)

378 nerdygirl, good perspective

Okay, time for me to do some soul-searching

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:54 AM (ntObR)

379 night yankeefifth!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 06, 2016 12:54 AM (q1FtT)

380 Yep. I think it's just that most people haven't spent much time thinking about it and are just quickly trying to sew up some loose ends to what they think "should" be the right thing.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 12:46 AM (zc3Db)

Oh, of course, dear. We haven't devised stupid, implausible scenarios in order to convince ourselves that being selfish and greedy is the way to go.

You're such a deep thinker, dearie, unlike the rest of us with our simplistic ideas of right and wrong.

Are you sure you're on the right website? Maybe you should be writing highly nuanced articles for Salon or Vox instead.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at April 06, 2016 12:55 AM (P8951)

381 150 What if "certain commenters" claim they identify as wimmenz? Do the ONT lockers count as a "safe space"?
Posted by: Basement Cat at April 05, 2016 11:54 PM (3C9q2)

Well...my understanding is the the Barrel is unisex...

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at April 06, 2016 12:56 AM (Y5I9o)

382 Cthulhu - yeah, I thought the predator was a bald eagle, but since they seem to be rare sightings, I didn't want to display my utter ignorance too much.

A coot, eh? I gotta look them up now. The sound they make really is awesome. "Pop!" "Well, don't mind if I do!"

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 06, 2016 12:56 AM (AroJD)

383 Okay, time for me to do some soul-searching
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 12:54 AM (ntObR)

No need to soul search, just ask yourself if someone did this to me, would I be upset.

And remind yourself that it WILL come back on you somehow.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 06, 2016 12:57 AM (q1FtT)

384 #356

Not if I can avoid it. It was an interesting adventure for a 16 year old who wasn't in school and didn't get on well with my own age group. But living like that again at my age would be fairly brutal. It's one thing if you have a good motor home but it was a bit more Steinbeckian than that.

I recently discovered my old employer posts like crazy on FaceBook. John A. J. Strong. He recently posted a picture of a guy who he says has been his right hand man since 1976, but I have zero recollection of the guy during the four year period I worked weekends for John and the year on the road.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 12:57 AM (IdCqF)

385 >>I think it's just that most people haven't spent much time thinking about it and are just quickly trying to sew up some loose ends to what they think "should" be the right thing.

'Ought' implies 'Can'.

Posted by: iKant at April 06, 2016 12:58 AM (TnP/y)

386 Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 06, 2016 12:56 AM (AroJD)

I have wordpress problems from time to time, so I can't comment on your blog tonight for some reason, but I loved you pictures!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 06, 2016 12:58 AM (q1FtT)

387 I don't think some kind of ethics class is required for basic right and wrong actions.

I was walking on a street in the shopping area of a small suburb I grew up in. I found a ladies cigarette "wallet" for lack of a better word that had a ballpark of $400 in it, based on a look at the contents to try and find some ID. It was directly outside of a store, so I went in to ask the Manager if anyone had inquired about it. Negative.

I then told him I was going to drop it off at the Police Station/City Hall, and if anyone asked it would be there.

Found out later it belonged to a High School classmate of mine and she got it back. The thought of keeping the cash and dumping the rest never crossed my mind though.

Posted by: Tim in GA at April 06, 2016 12:58 AM (YLidQ)

388 Speaking of no more morality than you can afford, this goes right along with something I've learned. Being in debt (mortgage, car, etc) for the trappings of lifestyle is indeed a type of slavery. You are a slave to the your income to keep paying that debt off.

And that makes for a nice compliant public. Consider a man who could stand to lose his job for a while. He lives a life of modest means, yet he owns everything outright.

Who is better off? Him, or the guy living in the big McMansion with all the trappings, but in debt to his eyeballs. The former can stand on his principles. He can rock the boat. He can give the man the finger. The latter can't. He owes his soul to the company store so to speak.

So, my conclusion is far better to be truly free and live in a shack, than the live in finery and be a slave.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at April 06, 2016 12:58 AM (DW+jj)

389 The other day, at the local supermarket, I spotted a situation (auditor) where a shelf was mismarked. I found a manager and asked if I could have one of the 12-packs of beer at the incorrect price if I pulled the error and handed it to the cashier.

They said "sure". So I pulled the signs saying that the 12-pack was priced at the 6-pack price and rang out. If they'd said "no", I wouldn't have bought that beer and wouldn't have told them which beer it was.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 12:59 AM (EzgxV)

390 Yes, looking at more photos (and more photos that I'd taken) the pop-top guys are coots.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 06, 2016 01:00 AM (AroJD)

391 Oh I've definitely left my fair share of paid for items in the cart as well. Usually the one thing I desperately needed and had gone to the store for to begin with.

Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2016 01:00 AM (evt7e)

392 Seriously, the Categorical Imperative is a gift. Freely given.

Posted by: iKant at April 06, 2016 01:01 AM (TnP/y)

393 240 make an effort to return everything I am able to return. what I find funny is when someone pretends as if they want to give you a reward but they do not really want to so they say "what can I give you for your trouble?" usually I way "nothing" unless they are really insincere, then I say "blowjob."
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:13 AM (vb33c)

I once had left a beachbag with my wallet, iphone, and a new pair of glasses in the parking lot of a beach. A young couple of college students found it, and turned it into the police. I got their names from the officer and mailed them a reward, so they wouldn't be put in the position of having to say not to give them anything.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 06, 2016 01:01 AM (SXU3d)

394 i once found 3300 bucks and gave it back.
then on the way home i got a ticket (no seatbelt)

i told the hp he should go find some illegals.

Posted by: concrete girl at April 06, 2016 01:01 AM (ceWrl)

395 The discussion tonight brings to mind a recent source of anger at a loss of money by a company purposefully giving themselves an easy means to deny payment to me. Below is what I posted at cheapassgamer.com

- - - -

Recently, Sony had a promotion on the Playstation Store wherein if
you spent $100 or more by a certain date, you would receive $15 back in
store credit. They've run this promotion previously and I don't recall
there being any problems but it didn't work out that way this time
around.

Life sometimes gets in the way of important things like gaming and
I'm forced to admit that I'll sometimes go weeks at a time without
turning on one or more of my games systems. When participating in the
most recent promotion I failed to notice that it required watching for a
message containing the redemption code for $15 on the consoles'
messaging system. I'm not into online multi-player, so I don't have much
use for the internal messaging system, nor did I think Sony would it as
the sole means to tell me my redemption code was waiting and it would
expire on March 31.

Now, virtually every other activity involving money or even zero
sums, such as game purchases or adding funds to the PSN wallet, causes
an email to be sent to my specified address. If Sony had notified me by
email the redemption code was waiting and I had a looming deadline, I
could have taken a few minutes to fire up the Vita or PS4 long enough to
deal with it, even if I'd have to wistfully then shut it off for lack
gaming time. No, in this instance Sony did not send an email and I only
discovered the message with the redemption code when I turned on my Vita
on April 2, two days after the code had expired.

I spent a good deal of time waiting for a chat session with a PSN
representative and the response I got was essentially, "You should have
read the fine print, sucker. Sucks to be you." If this had been a face
to face encounter with a live human I'm not sure if I would have been
able to resist the urge to violence.

This is BS on Sony's part in multiple ways. First, why such a short
time period, less than a month, to redeem the code before it expired?
What's the rush? Second, why the dependence on the console messaging
system and no email? Yet Sony has no problem sending me documentation of
every transaction, no matter how minor, not to mention at least two ads
every week. They have no problem sending email when there is a legal
obligation or when trying to get me to buy more stuff.

I cannot help thinking this is entirely intentional on their part.
Much as many companies offer rebates with maximal hassle factors to
avoid paying out whenever possible, I have no doubt that some valued
Sony employee structured this in hopes of screwing people out of the
promised store credit. That is what really makes furious about all of
this. The appearance of intent to deny payment to customers acting in
good faith.

It wasn't a huge amount of money and it was spread across a
considerable number of games in the then flash sale, so each game cost
me an extra dollar or so more than originally calculated in light of the
promotion. OTOH, I spent more than I would have otherwise because the
game that put me past the $100 requirement was priced a bit higher than
I'd normally go for, just to get across that line.

If this was just Sony being stupid I'd be irritated. But the feeling
that this was the intended result has me feeling a need to take action.
Just what I cannot say yet but something will come to me. Raising this
in a public forum like CAG is a start.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 01:01 AM (IdCqF)

396 389 cooth

That's an interesting construction, less like what we've been discussing, and more like whether or not to choose a different door (old probability word problem).

Thanks!

Posted by: speedster1 at April 06, 2016 01:01 AM (vUcdz)

397 @282 Epobirs
I read about half of that book while waiting in a jail cell.

It took a while for it to float to the top. It's fitting and proper that you read that in a jail cell, because, he wrote it in a jail cell. Full circle.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 06, 2016 01:02 AM (xq1UY)

398 Thank you, Tammy al-Thor! I'm strictly an amateur photographer, but I kind of think every now and then I get a good shot or two. All encouragement encouraged!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 06, 2016 01:02 AM (AroJD)

399 The Big Friendly Giant

https://youtu.be/ld9GaDKAxhg

Cautiously optimistic.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 06, 2016 01:02 AM (VdICR)

400 >>Yes, looking at more photos (and more photos that I'd taken) the pop-top guys are coots.

A necessary ingredient for Coot Soup.

And if anyone ever offers you said soup, politely decline. Coot are filthy fowl.

Posted by: iKant at April 06, 2016 01:02 AM (TnP/y)

401 382 Cthulhu - yeah, I thought the predator was a bald eagle, but since they seem to be rare sightings, I didn't want to display my utter ignorance too much.

A coot, eh? I gotta look them up now. The sound they make really is awesome. "Pop!" "Well, don't mind if I do!"

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 06, 2016 12:56 AM (AroJD)

One feature of the University of Casual Sun Bathing is the on-campus lagoon, which was frequently overrun with coots -- so they have them out in coastal California. I vaguely remember their "noses" being a somewhat different color, however.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 01:02 AM (EzgxV)

402 If this was just Sony being stupid I'd be irritated. But the feeling
that this was the intended result has me feeling a need to take action.
Just what I cannot say yet but something will come to me. Raising this
in a public forum like CAG is a start.
Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 01:01 AM (IdCqF)

****

I worked for this incredibly shrinking company for a long time. This is not the way they used to be, but it is who they are now.

Posted by: Tim in GA at April 06, 2016 01:05 AM (YLidQ)

403 PhilosopherSockOFF

Posted by: garrett at April 06, 2016 01:05 AM (TnP/y)

404 256 yeah I found an iphone too. since it was locked I could not get in to look throught the address book. eventually I realized saying "call mom" would get me to the owner.
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2016 12:16 AM (vb33c)

iphones have a "find " feature. If the owner has it activated, they can probably locate you.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 06, 2016 01:05 AM (SXU3d)

405 I am tired as all get out and will probably get this wrong, but the Customer Service lady at my Wal Mart says they track the stuff that gets left in/under carts and will refund/replace it if you have your receipt. (And they will usually do it on your word anyway, but I thought it was interesting that with barcodes now they can track it if they choose to)

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 06, 2016 01:06 AM (q1FtT)

406 395 The discussion tonight brings to mind a recent source of anger at a loss of money by a company purposefully giving themselves an easy means to deny payment to me. Below is what I posted at cheapassgamer.com

- - - -

Recently, Sony had a promotion on the Playstation Store wherein if
you spent $100 or more by a certain date, you would receive $15 back in
store credit. They've run this promotion previously and I don't recall
there being any problems but it didn't work out that way this time
around.

Life sometimes gets in the way of important things like gaming and
I'm forced to admit that I'll sometimes go weeks at a time without
turning on one or more of my games systems. When participating in the
most recent promotion I failed to notice that it required watching for a
message containing the redemption code for $15 on the consoles'
messaging system. I'm not into online multi-player, so I don't have much
use for the internal messaging system, nor did I think Sony would it as
the sole means to tell me my redemption code was waiting and it would
expire on March 31.

Now, virtually every other activity involving money or even zero
sums, such as game purchases or adding funds to the PSN wallet, causes
an email to be sent to my specified address. If Sony had notified me by
email the redemption code was waiting and I had a looming deadline, I
could have taken a few minutes to fire up the Vita or PS4 long enough to
deal with it, even if I'd have to wistfully then shut it off for lack
gaming time. No, in this instance Sony did not send an email and I only
discovered the message with the redemption code when I turned on my Vita
on April 2, two days after the code had expired.

I spent a good deal of time waiting for a chat session with a PSN
representative and the response I got was essentially, "You should have
read the fine print, sucker. Sucks to be you." If this had been a face
to face encounter with a live human I'm not sure if I would have been
able to resist the urge to violence.

This is BS on Sony's part in multiple ways. First, why such a short
time period, less than a month, to redeem the code before it expired?
What's the rush? Second, why the dependence on the console messaging
system and no email? Yet Sony has no problem sending me documentation of
every transaction, no matter how minor, not to mention at least two ads
every week. They have no problem sending email when there is a legal
obligation or when trying to get me to buy more stuff.

I cannot help thinking this is entirely intentional on their part.
Much as many companies offer rebates with maximal hassle factors to
avoid paying out whenever possible, I have no doubt that some valued
Sony employee structured this in hopes of screwing people out of the
promised store credit. That is what really makes furious about all of
this. The appearance of intent to deny payment to customers acting in
good faith.

It wasn't a huge amount of money and it was spread across a
considerable number of games in the then flash sale, so each game cost
me an extra dollar or so more than originally calculated in light of the
promotion. OTOH, I spent more than I would have otherwise because the
game that put me past the $100 requirement was priced a bit higher than
I'd normally go for, just to get across that line.

If this was just Sony being stupid I'd be irritated. But the feeling
that this was the intended result has me feeling a need to take action.
Just what I cannot say yet but something will come to me. Raising this
in a public forum like CAG is a start.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 01:01 AM (IdCqF)

I'm afraid that this is our future....and it makes me hope that Cass Sunstein comes to a painful, violent end.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 01:06 AM (EzgxV)

407 >>>> Posted by: nerdygirl at April 06, 2016 01:01 AM
-------
nerdy girl, that is the way to do it. How nice and thoughtful of you.

Posted by: L, Elle at April 06, 2016 01:07 AM (2x3L+)

408 I mentioned my mother in a nursing home for knee replacement rehab. I told her just to come home, it wasn't going to be half as bad you think (I went through a hip replacement myself due to this stupid RA), but no, she was worried about me having to look after both her and my father.

Now, she's regretting it, just like I knew she would. Last night was hell. Her new roommate was the old woman who was totally out of her mind. Dementia and no no family I think they said. All night she hollered and screamed "Help me! Help me!". When they come to attend to her, she screams bloody murder.

My cousin (once removed or however the hell the thing goes, my father's grand niece) works there and was able to quickly switch my mother to another room, this one with another temporary old lady who recouping from something, and she's in her right mind.

But still the sights, sounds, and smells of these miserable places are just more than I can take sometimes, and the thought of my own mother sitting in one just gets to me.

She's doing well, and I'm going to insist they release her this weekend. Period. She's coming home.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at April 06, 2016 01:08 AM (DW+jj)

409
396 389 cooth

That's an interesting construction, less like what we've been discussing, and more like whether or not to choose a different door (old probability word problem).

Thanks!

Posted by: speedster1 at April 06, 2016 01:01 AM (vUcdz)

If you're going to put-forth effort on some purpose because someone else fucked up, are you not entitled to some recompense?

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 01:08 AM (EzgxV)

410 nerdygirl, what L said. :-)

Okay, gotta go, thanks for the great thought-provoking chat tonight. See y'all tomorrow night.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 06, 2016 01:09 AM (ntObR)

411 408 publius

You're a mensch.

409 cooth

I often let other drivers come into my lane or out of a driveway, and appreciate a wave of thanks.

Should I *expect* it?

Posted by: speedster1 at April 06, 2016 01:11 AM (vUcdz)

412 Last week I picked up a package of chicken breasts, a watermelon, and two bags of oranges at the local Vallarta Supermarket. I realized about an hour later, when I'd gotten home, that I'd managed to leave the chicken behind. I went back to find they'd kept it bagged and tucked behind other items in the refrigerator casket, awaiting my return.

Oddly, on my way out, the manager apologized to me. I told her she'd done nothing and in fact did everything right.

Really need to send a note to the company to make sure the brownie points get allocated.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 01:11 AM (IdCqF)

413
Never moved a flake of the last snow we got. Told the wife since Mother Nature left it there, she can come get it.

Besides there's fishing to be done.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 06, 2016 01:11 AM (P/8aq)

414 Goodnight QDSteve. Sleep with all the good dreams

Posted by: L, Elle at April 06, 2016 01:11 AM (2x3L+)

415 She's doing well, and I'm going to insist they release her this weekend. Period. She's coming home.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at April 06, 2016 01:08 AM (DW+jj)

****

Good call. Just as Hospitals are not places to get well beyond the short term, neither are those places.

Posted by: Tim in GA at April 06, 2016 01:11 AM (YLidQ)

416 Sorry, my joke didn't amuse you Stringer

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 06, 2016 01:11 AM (dULJN)

417 Yeah, really nice night tonight. Thank you everyone, and see you tomorrow! Unless I get lucky and don't wake up again!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 06, 2016 01:11 AM (AroJD)

418 412 Epobirs

>> refrigerator casket

Phrasing!

Posted by: speedster1 at April 06, 2016 01:12 AM (vUcdz)

419 Home, finally. Nightcap t'hand. Pets accounted for. Pants still on, but belt loosened. Feet up. 400 comments late, but I can finally check out the post....

Holy Hannah! I got Comment of the Day on the ONT!!‽‽ My bucket list is nearly complete!

[✓] Mention on the Sunday Book Thread
[✔]Mention on the Overnight Thread
~~[ ] Existence acknowledged by Ace~~
[ ] Live long enough to spoil the grandkids

Posted by: mindful webworker - czech! at April 06, 2016 01:13 AM (I9SqL)

420 Primordial, I've spent plenty of time thinking about it, and I always give back what's not mine. Its not difficult.

Posted by: Alana at April 06, 2016 01:13 AM (Dhq5N)

421 419 mww

Mazel tov!

Posted by: speedster1 at April 06, 2016 01:14 AM (vUcdz)

422 What just clinched it for me was a study I stumbled across about rehab after joint replacements. Turns out that patients, of all cohorts, who go home do no worse than those in a similar cohort who go to the rehab facilities.

I can't take someone screaming like that, and my mother is the same way. When someone's doing that, you want to help, to "fix it", fix whatever is wrong. But with someone who is out of their mind, there's nothing to fix. And so, you have to just sit there and let them scream. And that drives me bonkers.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at April 06, 2016 01:16 AM (DW+jj)

423 She's coming home.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at April 06, 2016 01:08 AM (DW+jj)

https://youtu.be/NJIjvOdhx9o

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 06, 2016 01:16 AM (wB8Tg)

424 >>> I often let other drivers come into my lane or out of a driveway, and appreciate a wave of thanks.
Should I *expect* it?
Posted by: speedster1 at April 06, 2016 01:11 AM
-----
No, you shouldn't expect bc people mostly suck, but it's nice when someone goes to the effort to show appreciation and gratitude.

I took in a lost dog that showed up on my doorstep in the below freezing cold for a night. Fed her and took care of her for a night and brought her to the animal shelter the next morning. I left all my contact info expecting an update or thank you or some recognition for its owners. Got nothing though the doggie was reunited with its family eventually. That was just rude. All I wanted was to know the doggie's name. I should have kept the dog for myself.

Posted by: L, Elle at April 06, 2016 01:17 AM (2x3L+)

425 Hello cooth.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at April 06, 2016 01:19 AM (rlfds)

426 I should have kept the dog for myself.
Posted by: L, Elle
-----------------
I told you that a couple months ago!

Posted by: Chi at April 06, 2016 01:20 AM (QWbr+)

427 424 L, Elle

Okay.

Thanks for responding.

Posted by: speedster1 at April 06, 2016 01:20 AM (vUcdz)

428 Time for the old folk. Lazy day tomorrow and I intend to be.

Remember, y'all--we are Americans, so the head is held HIGH--most especially during these times.

Goodnite, good people. Stay safe.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 06, 2016 01:20 AM (P/8aq)

429 Goodnight Beckoning. You sound good btw. Give Leela a hug for me. Hopefully she accepts it and doesn't scratch you bc of it. Sleep soundly.

Posted by: L, Elle at April 06, 2016 01:21 AM (2x3L+)

430 For a Penis Festival there was a shocking absence of actual penises.

Posted by: Lili Von Schtupp at April 06, 2016 01:21 AM (sl+zA)

431 late nite impotent rant:

shit fucking mouse what crapped out

Fuck you mouse. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuu yooooooooooo
AGGGGGGGG. ass bitch suck dick fuck dick aaaaaaaaaggggggggggg

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2016 01:22 AM (A/3fN)

432 411 408 publius

You're a mensch.

409 cooth

I often let other drivers come into my lane or out of a driveway, and appreciate a wave of thanks.

Should I *expect* it?

Posted by: speedster1 at April 06, 2016 01:11 AM (vUcdz)

You should remember, I've been a professional auditor for a number of years, making a living by examining documents for pay to find financial errors and misstatements. Am I bound to rectify everyone's errors for free, that I perceive due to such years of experience? I found an error, casually, and alerted them to its existence [for free].....and told 'em I'd not only identify it but round up the documentation in return for a discount.

And I, too, often let other drivers come into my lane or out of a driveway, and appreciate a wave of thanks. But I don't often get a signal, I scarcely see an understanding of right-of-way laws, I seldom get any acknowledgement at all, and I do it mostly out of an abundance of justified caution because I believe most of my fellow drivers are self-entitled dangers to themselves and others. But, then, I live in Silicon Valley instead of some more civilized area.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 01:23 AM (EzgxV)

433 I know, Chi. I know. I always do the wrong thing :-)

Goodnight Irongrandpa. I hope I see you around tomorrow. You sleep well for me.

Posted by: L, Elle at April 06, 2016 01:23 AM (2x3L+)

434 Holy content Batman!

Posted by: Robin at April 06, 2016 01:24 AM (AWwDY)

435 Tourettes. It's not just for breakfast anymore.

Posted by: Chi at April 06, 2016 01:24 AM (QWbr+)

436 In time to see irongrampa say good-night.

Sloppy civvie salute, ig. Sweet dreams and wake up refreshed & ready to face the day.

Posted by: mindful webworker - yowzer at April 06, 2016 01:24 AM (I9SqL)

437 Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 01:23 AM (EzgxV)

People are ultimately selfish. Modern people even more so.

Posted by: garrett at April 06, 2016 01:25 AM (TnP/y)

438 Fuck you too. Fuck you and your whole fucking family.

Posted by: A Mouse at April 06, 2016 01:25 AM (sl+zA)

439 425 Hello cooth.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at April 06, 2016 01:19 AM (rlfds)

Howdy, howdy!!! Still on Spring Break?

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 01:25 AM (EzgxV)

440 #408

Reminds me of my last time in a hospital. I was having an eye exam to update my prescription and the doctor was so alarmed by my blood pressure he wanted to call an ambulance. I refused and instead had my mother take me over to the ER a bit later that day. I thought they would put some drugs in me, so if I responded well and schedule me for some outpatient followup.

Instead, they insisted on admitting me despite my being very upfront about my lack of medical coverage and meager finances. They kept me for four days. Amazingly, I had to contact the hospital's IT manager to convince him to set up a guest SSID on their WiFi network for me to use. (They had these amazingly bad little PCs on armatures by the patient beds that doubled as TVs. They were also intended to allow staff to call up patient charts but they still don't have that part working almost seven years later.)

My roommate was an elderly man with severe diabetes who'd already lost a leg and was completely and very audibly incontinent. The one saving grace was that I had the bed by the door and could go down the hall to use the bathroom rather than cross his part of the room to get to that one. It's a horrible thing but I felt that time was making a really good argument for euthanasia. His life was continuous torture but he apparently wasn't far enough gone to be in hospice.

As it turned out, there was no good reason for me to be there four days running up a massive bill. All of the tests could have been done on an outpatient basis as soon as it was clear I responded well to medication. But such is defensive medicine in today's litigious environment.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 01:25 AM (IdCqF)

441 Nope cooth.

Back at the grind, though I knocked out the majority of this week's assignments, so I'm just kickin' back right now.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at April 06, 2016 01:26 AM (rlfds)

442 Fuck you too. Fuck you and your whole fucking family.
Posted by: A Mouse

You had one job, you assbunch nut piss motherdick~!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2016 01:26 AM (A/3fN)

443 I'm guessing that 438 will ultimately turn out to be written by me, and not A Mouse.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 01:27 AM (EzgxV)

444 Man Saver Post Driver - Seriously, thanks for this one! I'll trade in the barely-used old leaf vac/twig chipper thingy for this! Nothing unmanly about saving some back muscles. Especially for sexagenarians.

Posted by: mindful webworker - man needs saving at April 06, 2016 01:28 AM (I9SqL)

445 Fucking idiot Comcast.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 06, 2016 01:29 AM (wB8Tg)

446
iphones have a "find " feature. If the owner has it activated, they can probably locate you.
Posted by: nerdygirl at April 06, 2016 01:05 AM (SXU3d)

Yes, and not just a find feature, but also an iCloud sync. Awhile back my SIL left her bag in a restaurant, and her iPad was in it. She went right back to get it and the restaurant had the bag but the iPad was gone. She went home and opened up her laptop to use the find phone dealie, and pretty soon a selfie of some dude she didn't know showed up in her photos. So now she had both the thief's picture and his address.

He was a busboy working at the restaurant while out on parole, and he had chosen the Primordialorderedpair path back to jail.

Posted by: stace at April 06, 2016 01:29 AM (ozZau)

447 I am so into Heather Childers

Posted by: West Town at April 06, 2016 01:30 AM (dx6bM)

448 Fucking idiot Comcast.
Posted by: Merovign

yeah, them too.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2016 01:30 AM (A/3fN)

449 And that Washington Post article by the broad who's "raising" her cats to be gender-neutral - did you guys read that? What a loon. And apparently serious, rather than an April Fool's piece. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Alana at April 06, 2016 01:31 AM (Dhq5N)

450 437 Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 01:23 AM (EzgxV)

People are ultimately selfish. Modern people even more so.

Posted by: garrett at April 06, 2016 01:25 AM (TnP/y)

It's not just selfish -- it's self-absorbed. People are doing things in public places so embedded in their "me, me, me" bubbles that they're totally oblivious. They drive like that on their cellphones, they bicycle like that with their earphones, they walk like that across parking lots with moving vehicles, they create traffic mashups with their grocery carts in supermarket aisles.... They have no situational awareness at all.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 01:31 AM (EzgxV)

451 Should I *expect* it?

Theory of Moral Sentiments. You spend most of your time among people you more or less tolerate, and often have to help baby-sit just to get them through their daily chores. Once in awhile you see somebody else acting as a moral agent, even if it's only something as simple as taking turns, or acknowledging someone else's courtesy. And you feel a kinship with that person. I think of them as "citizens."

It's shocking and fun, a real revelation, to find the various origins and walks of life of your fellow citizens. If everyone were virtuous, where would the challenge be?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 06, 2016 01:31 AM (xq1UY)

452 Ricardo Kill: That pump is not supplying pressure to drive through much more than soft, moist ground.

Hmmm. Yeah, I gotta wonder how it would do on our clay-ey Okie prairie soil, but if you can wait for a soft, moist day....

(NOT now, during continuing drrrrryyyy and wildfirey days.)

Posted by: mindful webworker - Okie by birth and choice at April 06, 2016 01:32 AM (I9SqL)

453 #418

In my brief time as a supermarket worker long ago, that is what the open refrigerators and freezers were called. A search will also direct you to chest freezers on amazon, though you'll also get a lot of vendors serving morgues and mortuaries.

In my more recent job doing event IT services, we had a internet kiosk that traveled in a case of dimension quite similar to an adult coffin transport box. We called it Vlad.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 01:32 AM (IdCqF)

454 [ ]

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 06, 2016 01:32 AM (WTSFk)

455 I'm afraid that this is our future....and it makes me hope that Cass Sunstein comes to a painful, violent end.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 01:06 AM (EzgxV)I hate what Cass Sunstein stands for with the fire of a thousand suns. "Nudge" my aching ass.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 06, 2016 01:32 AM (nUJM6)

456 But, then, I live in Silicon Valley instead of some more civilized area.

Maybe the Google car could signal a thank-you in Morse through the CHMSL.

Posted by: send a memo to Sergey Brin at April 06, 2016 01:33 AM (dyx2w)

457 #449

If asked and able to respond, I imagine the cats would say that while it wasn't their intent to raise their human as a complete nincompoop, it just worked out that way.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 01:33 AM (IdCqF)

458 441 Nope cooth.

Back at the grind, though I knocked out the majority of this week's assignments, so I'm just kickin' back right now.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at April 06, 2016 01:26 AM (rlfds)

Woohoo!! Not bad for a Tuesday.

We had the cleaners run through yesterday, so today was a day for regrouping -- and, then, back to taxes/preparing for the fiancee's layoff. In the meantime, it's supposed to be quite warm tomorrow (90's), so the daily procedures will need to be adjusted.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 01:35 AM (EzgxV)

459 With very high blood pressure, if conditions are right, lowering it too fast can cause a stroke. BP over 175 systolic and what it is, 95 or 100 diastolic is getting into the danger zone, "hypertensive crisis".

That happened to me about two years ago. My blood pressure was getting up there 150/80ish at a doc visit and he put me on small something. That got me to watching it, and one night, I was watching TV and noticed a pulsing distortion in my field of vision.

What the hell is that? ,,,, Well, it was acting just pressure on the eyeball. You know you push a finger on an eyeball and you'll see it distort the picture. Then I noticed that pulsing was right in time with my heartbeat.

And then I put two and two together. My blood pressure must be sky high! And it was 200/100ish. Hypertensive crisis. I drove myself to the ER.

They decided there wasn't a stroke danger, and he gave me a pill of some drug that will lower BP fairly fast. Not too fast. I stayed there about 2 hours and that drug had it coming down below 150 by then and still falling and they let me go.

With my RA, and taking NSAIDs for over 10 years, there's something they can do they can screw up blood pressure control and I think my regular doc decided that was the trouble, really.

With the drugs I'm on now, it stays around 110/60ish, which is good.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at April 06, 2016 01:36 AM (DW+jj)

460 The past few days have been gorgeous here, so no complaints there.

So when is your fiancee's last day?

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at April 06, 2016 01:38 AM (rlfds)

461 455 I'm afraid that this is our future....and it makes me hope that Cass Sunstein comes to a painful, violent end.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 01:06 AM (EzgxV)I hate what Cass Sunstein stands for with the fire of a thousand suns. "Nudge" my aching ass.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 06, 2016 01:32 AM (nUJM6)

You and I have a solid point of mutual understanding.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 01:39 AM (EzgxV)

462 "Nudge" my aching ass.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 06, 2016 01:32 AM (nUJM6)

You and I have a solid point of mutual understanding.
Posted by: cthulhu

...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2016 01:42 AM (A/3fN)

463 I thought we all had a point of mutual understanding.

And now there's all this.....

Posted by: eleven at April 06, 2016 01:43 AM (qUNWi)

464
460 The past few days have been gorgeous here, so no complaints there.

So when is your fiancee's last day?

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at April 06, 2016 01:38 AM (rlfds)

29th, 'cause the next Monday is next month.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 01:45 AM (EzgxV)

465 Speaking of my blood pressure, it's funny. I was really sensitive to lisonpril, and they had me on 20mg per day initially. That ended up lowering it too much. I stood up fast off the couch one day and nearly passed out. I checked it, and was 75/45 or something around there.

So I went to 10mg. Now, it can be as low as the mid 80s over 50s and I'm still fine. So there's absolutely no "need" for my system to raise it that much.

There's something about the NSAIDs screwing up the control system, by interfering with some enzyme necessary to make the "expander" chemical, the one that dilates your blood vessels. So mine were just tightening up too much with no reason to tighten.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at April 06, 2016 01:46 AM (DW+jj)

466 OT/.....why don't they just call Benadryl sleeping pills?

Posted by: eleven at April 06, 2016 01:47 AM (qUNWi)

467 463 I thought we all had a point of mutual understanding.

And now there's all this.....

Posted by: eleven at April 06, 2016 01:43 AM (qUNWi)

Yeah, fine -- so what are redbanzai and I talking about? It's not a very exclusive club. And why is it potentially worse than red-diaper Obamadipshit?

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 01:48 AM (EzgxV)

468 Wish you two the best of luck in resettling, cooth.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at April 06, 2016 01:49 AM (rlfds)

469 465 Speaking of my blood pressure, it's funny. I was really sensitive to lisonpril, and they had me on 20mg per day initially. That ended up lowering it too much. I stood up fast off the couch one day and nearly passed out. I checked it, and was 75/45 or something around there.

So I went to 10mg. Now, it can be as low as the mid 80s over 50s and I'm still fine. So there's absolutely no "need" for my system to raise it that much.

There's something about the NSAIDs screwing up the control system, by interfering with some enzyme necessary to make the "expander" chemical, the one that dilates your blood vessels. So mine were just tightening up too much with no reason to tighten.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at April 06, 2016 01:46 AM (DW+jj)

When I was growing up (e.g. in High School -- before I studied accounting), my resting blood pressure was something like 95/60.....which, technically, isn't really blood pressure as much as it is blood seep. Once I began working as an accountant, it adjusted right into hypertension.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 01:52 AM (EzgxV)

470 Besides there's fishing to be done.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 06, 2016 01:11 AM (P/8aq)

Priorities. Gotta have 'em.

Posted by: GGE of the Working Horde, NC Chapter at April 06, 2016 01:53 AM (30qi/)

471 Yes, cooth, much better luck with your move than I had with mine!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 06, 2016 01:54 AM (wB8Tg)

472 468 Wish you two the best of luck in resettling, cooth.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at April 06, 2016 01:49 AM (rlfds)

I hope we get fully out before we get sucked into the implosion. When I saw the timestamp on the evaluation spreadsheets was 3+ years ago....

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 01:54 AM (EzgxV)

473 G'night everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 06, 2016 01:54 AM (YJmuy)

474 466: It's original use was as an antihistamine, for itching and allergies. The sedation was a side effect, which was put to good use by getting FDA approval for that use.

So sleeping was a bug that became a feature.

It used to work like a charm for me. 50mg and I couldn't keep my eyes open 30 minutes later. No it doesn't faze me. In fact, it has a "restless legs" side effect for me that makes it much worse for sleeping than without. With all the RA and medicines I take for it, I'm sure there's been a lot of changes.

But there's hardly anything that will put me to sleep now, save for hard anesthetics and other dangerous stuff. Ambien won't phase me, even at 20mg, which is 4x the current recommended dose.

The regular Benzos like Ativan at high enough doses will knock me out, but that's too dangerous, really.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at April 06, 2016 01:55 AM (DW+jj)

475 Happy-ish Tuesday Evening, all y'all ...

Posted by: Adriane the Critic ... at April 06, 2016 01:57 AM (AoK0a)

476 469: Actually, that's very normal for children and young teens. Systolic of 90ish. It just goes up as you get older and older, and that's really signs of damage being done, various kinds of damage to your system.

Metabolic "lard ass" syndrome, too many fast carbs being the cause does that. Insulin resistance and high BP.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at April 06, 2016 01:58 AM (DW+jj)

477 476 469: Actually, that's very normal for children and young teens. Systolic of 90ish. It just goes up as you get older and older, and that's really signs of damage being done, various kinds of damage to your system.

Metabolic "lard ass" syndrome, too many fast carbs being the cause does that. Insulin resistance and high BP.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at April 06, 2016 01:58 AM (DW+jj)

Having been there and done that, I consider an accounting education and career to be "damage to my system."

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 02:02 AM (EzgxV)

478 The dentist's hygienist suggested this fluoride toothpaste that you brush and spit but don't rinse at night. Six months after she gave me a tube of the stuff (prescription toothpaste?) I finally started using it.

Just kinda hard to shift habits after a lifetime. Sometimes I have to remember I can rinse in the morning. Just now I forgot not to rinse after brushing. But mostly I'm sticking with it. I like my teeth. Wanna keep 'em as long as I'm around to use 'em.

The upshot is: teeth brushed. Tried to read the thread but too much good stuff and got bogged down around #150. Hope I didn't miss anything too great. And so, to bed.

Good night, gracious children of the One Source and Center.

♞

Blessed be the Lord: for he has shown me his marvelous kindness in a strong city. For I said in my haste, I am cut off from before thine eyes: nevertheless you heard the voice of my supplications when I cried unto you.

O love the Lord, all you his saints: for the Lord preserves the faithful, and plentifully rewards the proud doer. Be of good courage, and he shall strengthen your heart, all you that hope in the Lord.

Posted by: mindful webworker - perchance at April 06, 2016 02:03 AM (I9SqL)

479 478 The dentist's hygienist suggested this fluoride toothpaste that you brush and spit but don't rinse at night. Six months after she gave me a tube of the stuff (prescription toothpaste?) I finally started using it.

Just kinda hard to shift habits after a lifetime. Sometimes I have to remember I can rinse in the morning. Just now I forgot not to rinse after brushing. But mostly I'm sticking with it. I like my teeth. Wanna keep 'em as long as I'm around to use 'em.

The upshot is: teeth brushed. Tried to read the thread but too much good stuff and got bogged down around #150. Hope I didn't miss anything too great. And so, to bed.

Oh, I know that toothpaste -- Prevident 5000.

Let me tell you something: THAT SHIT WORKS!

And here's the best part: You don't even need to follow the instructions.

Why not? Because it works even when you use it like normal toothpaste!

The reason I know all this is that I too have tried it, and it improved my teeth's health astoundingly.

The "secret" behind Prevident 5000 is that it has 4x as much fluoride as the most-fluoridated over-the-counter brand, and as much as 10x as much fluoride as some normal toothpastes.

As such, you can only get it "by prescription" -- i.e. only from a DDS, that is to say, from your dentist.

That's because of the fluoride scare of the 1950s, when too many bozos thought it was some some kind of government-mandated poison (as immortalized in Dr. Strangelove). There's no valid medical reason that ALL toothpaste couldn't be as strong as Prevident 5000 -- except that very low tolerance levels were set for fluoride back then, so to be "safe," most toothpastes just have a tiny amount.

Anyway, I used to get a lot of cavities, until my dentist prescribed me Prevident about 8 years ago, and literally from the day I started using it, I have not gotten a single cavity. Which for me is incredible, 'cause I am definitely cavity-prone.

And yes, you're SUPPOSED to brush it on and then leave it there for at least half an hour, but I find that intolerable, so never do it. Instead, I just leisurely brush for maybe two or three times as long as I used to, to give my teeth a good fluoride soaking, and that has proven to be sufficient to get the same effect.

If you have cavity-prone "weak" teeth, ask your dentist for the high-fluoride prescription stuff -- it's no different than normal toothpaste except that it's just much much more effective. There could be other brands aside from Prevident -- not sure.

Posted by: zombie at April 06, 2016 02:26 AM (jBuUi)

480 So, I have no idea what drives a 40W CO2 laser, but I'd like to switch it using something solid-state, with no moving parts, with a signal voltage of 3.3V or 5V to switch it on-and-off (Arduino or Pi). Anybody have any brainstorming-level ideas?

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 02:28 AM (EzgxV)

481 I have some stuff my dentist sold me a few years ago, called MI Paste. It says on the box "Topical paste with bio-available calcium and phosphate." He also work in research at UCLA, so he should be fairly up on stuff but I always felt a bit dubious about it. It seems like thinking that a raw steak applied to a wound should let it heal faster or better.

http://www.mi-paste.com/

I never used it enough to finish the tube and never asked if I should get more if I run out. I don't know if it was a one-time thing or they just forgot.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 02:36 AM (IdCqF)

482 480 So, I have no idea what drives a 40W CO2 laser, but I'd like to switch it using something solid-state, with no moving parts, with a signal voltage of 3.3V or 5V to switch it on-and-off (Arduino or Pi). Anybody have any brainstorming-level ideas?
Posted by: cthulhu
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Stop being such a big nerd?

Posted by: Chi at April 06, 2016 02:39 AM (QWbr+)

483

I have no idea what drives a 40W CO2 laser ...

You really want to build a light/IR-tight enclosure for it, maybe with an extra enclosure layer or two ...

If the beam "gets out" it will hurt you or someone else, quite possibly resulting in severely permanent blindness.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 06, 2016 02:40 AM (FlRtG)

484 Stop being such a big nerd?
Posted by: Chi at April 06, 2016 02:39 AM (QWbr+)

***

I would normally not even comment, but this was too good. Well done.

*Golf clap*

Posted by: Tim in GA at April 06, 2016 02:41 AM (YLidQ)

485 Presumably, 40W of electrical power drives the laser. Controlling it is another matter. Searching on 'usb laser controller' produce a number of interesting items at a quick glance.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 02:43 AM (IdCqF)

486 So, I have no idea what drives a 40W CO2 laser

Sex. Patriotism. Revenge. Ratings. Chocolate.

Posted by: Adriane the Driving Range Critic ... at April 06, 2016 02:43 AM (AoK0a)

487 From a 2012 article about Col. Stirm
Thank you for writing this wonderful article. Colonel Stirm is my grandfather, and I am the oldest of the 8, and my son is his 1 great-grandchild. My mother, his daughter Lorrie, is featured in the photograph mid-air running to greet her father after 6 years of zero-contact and being told that her father was dead. While he was in Hanoi, it literally was like the Hilton in comparison to some of the other POW camps he spent time in. Ross Perot hosts (and funds 100% of everything, travel included) an annual weekend for all of the POWs and has continued his support of them. While Col. Stirm retired a full Colonel, he was promoted to Brigadier General, a post with which he reluctantly turned down due to his strong desire to spend time with his family and not miss out on anymore of their lives. He was the keynote speaker at John McCain's campaign rally at the San Carlos Airport in 2008, and still keeps in frequent contact with his old neighbor. Despite his unfathomable 6 years as a POW, he still lives his life fully, refuses to put restrictions on himself or makeup excuses, and is as grouchy as ever

Posted by: tmitsss at April 06, 2016 02:46 AM (sUvQQ)

488 482 480 So, I have no idea what drives a 40W CO2 laser, but I'd like to switch it using something solid-state, with no moving parts, with a signal voltage of 3.3V or 5V to switch it on-and-off (Arduino or Pi). Anybody have any brainstorming-level ideas?
Posted by: cthulhu
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Stop being such a big nerd?

Posted by: Chi at April 06, 2016 02:39 AM (QWbr+)

I was thinking more of MOSFET or alternatives......

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 02:47 AM (EzgxV)

489 483

I have no idea what drives a 40W CO2 laser ...

You really want to build a light/IR-tight enclosure for it, maybe with an extra enclosure layer or two ...

If the beam "gets out" it will hurt you or someone else, quite possibly resulting in severely permanent blindness.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 06, 2016 02:40 AM (FlRtG)

Yeah. I've got this Chinese unit, and it has a door and such.....and I have no intention of firing this bitch up without more safety gear. It seriously looks like it'd operate with the door open -- you hit one reflective patch, and the surface of your eyes is fried.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 02:49 AM (EzgxV)

490 Here ya go, cooth.

Don't know if it will help much, but it was interesting to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQuJNQ0ed4c

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at April 06, 2016 02:50 AM (rlfds)

491 Speaking of lasers, I've always wondered what would happen if you did this:

Create a perfectly spherical hollow glass ball (or as perfect as you can make it).

Apply "silvering" to the outside -- the stuff they put on the back of mirrors. Do it as flawlessly and well as possible.

What you've then created is a perfectly mirrored sphere with the mirror pointing inward.

Than you scratch off a tiny little circle of the mirroring where you press up against the outside of the glass a laser, which you then shine into the internal-mirror ball (at a slight angle, so it doesn't always bounce right back).

Just keeping shining that laser into the mirror-ball. Never stop.

What would happen? Would the ball just collect and collect and collect photons until it exploded in a pure-energy explosion, blinding everyone is a five-mile radius? Or would the light all necessarily all "leak out"? Or would the flaws in the glass and the front edge of the laser device get so hot that they melt? Or what?

I like to imagine one could create futuristic "photon grenades" this way. But I'm probably wrong.

Posted by: zombie at April 06, 2016 02:52 AM (jBuUi)

492
485 Presumably, 40W of electrical power drives the laser. Controlling it is another matter. Searching on 'usb laser controller' produce a number of interesting items at a quick glance.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 02:43 AM (IdCqF)

It specs as a 40W. Is that 20V at 2A? Is that AC or DC? The documentation is, as might be guessed, total crap. I can poke with a voltmeter or Ask The Horde.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 02:52 AM (EzgxV)

493 That time. Night all.

Posted by: Tim in GA at April 06, 2016 02:52 AM (YLidQ)

494 486 So, I have no idea what drives a 40W CO2 laser

Sex. Patriotism. Revenge. Ratings. Chocolate.

Posted by: Adriane the Driving Range Critic ... at April 06, 2016 02:43 AM (AoK0a)

Don't forget World Domination. And, yes, I LOL'd.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 02:53 AM (EzgxV)

495 #491

In a very long ago in a Dungeons Dragons game I occasionally sat in on, one of the players came up with a similar idea. He obtained a supply of crystal balls and mirrored interior shells to encase them. Before applying the case he'd cast 'Continual Light' on the crystal ball. This turns the target object into a perpetual emitter of photons, handy for creating everlasting light fixtures in dungeons. He'd then let the items, which looked by no small coincidence like cannonballs, sit for about a year or so. When time came for a big battle involving large troop movements r breach a castle wall, he brought the items he dubbed 'photon torpedoes' into play. Within a certain spherical range they were quite devastating, comparable to a disintegration spell that would have required a much higher level of magic user to apply.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 02:59 AM (IdCqF)

496

... you hit one reflective patch, and the surface of your eyes is fried.

I think it'd be more like someone putting an ice pick with a sharp edge and inch or two through your eye, then moving ...

Your 40W CO2 laser is a glass tube device; it likely won't switch on or off quickly. It's designed to turn on, cut for a while (several minutes, maybe an hour), then turn off to allow the part to be removed and fresh material installed.

Check to see what sort of cooling it needs. My guess is that forced-air, perhaps 30 CFM, might be enough. But maybe you're lucky enough to have a water-cooled one.

Look to see what voltage it needs, then look for the original power supply, or at least a near fit (enough voltage and enough current).

Posted by: Arbalest at April 06, 2016 03:00 AM (FlRtG)

497 Go Ted Go

Posted by: bestie21 at April 06, 2016 03:02 AM (HUeC4)

498 #492

Chances are somebody has messed around with it and wrote about it online. Have you searched on the make and model?

It's been far too long since I tried to do anything with such items (I looked at a video on fixing a Sega Game Gear with aged capacitors and decided NFW.) but there was something of a standard for such things I vaguely recall. Or at least a lot of companies copying the way the dominant company did things.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 03:03 AM (IdCqF)

499 Morning horde!

*looks at clock.

Fuck.

Anybody want some old school Mary Jane's while we're waiting for sleep to come?

*pushes them through USB anyhow. Grabbed way too many.

Posted by: RWC- Team BOHICA at April 06, 2016 03:05 AM (hlMPp)

500 490 Here ya go, cooth.

Don't know if it will help much, but it was interesting to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQuJNQ0ed4c

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at April 06, 2016 02:50 AM (rlfds)

Mine is more like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhhOHUe_b6o . The control board had numerous low ratings -- I intend to use one or more Arduinos with a Raspberry Pi supervising. I intend to add safety gear and utilize a solid-state laser control instead of a pot and a switch. Once I get the "recipe" right, I'm thinking of productizing either the modification kit or the modified cutter.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 03:05 AM (EzgxV)

501 495 Posted by: Epobirs a

Yeah, I was thinking it would also be a bit like an exploding "wizard's ball" in some fantasy scenario, like D&D.

Anyway, whether it is created in the mythical past or the distant future, what would happen in reality?

Posted by: zombie at April 06, 2016 03:08 AM (jBuUi)

502 496

... you hit one reflective patch, and the surface of your eyes is fried.

I think it'd be more like someone putting an ice pick with a sharp edge and inch or two through your eye, then moving ...

Your 40W CO2 laser is a glass tube device; it likely won't switch on or off quickly. It's designed to turn on, cut for a while (several minutes, maybe an hour), then turn off to allow the part to be removed and fresh material installed.

Check to see what sort of cooling it needs. My guess is that forced-air, perhaps 30 CFM, might be enough. But maybe you're lucky enough to have a water-cooled one.

Look to see what voltage it needs, then look for the original power supply, or at least a near fit (enough voltage and enough current).

Posted by: Arbalest at April 06, 2016 03:00 AM (FlRtG)

It's water-cooled. I'm thinking it'd probably flick on-or-off in milliseconds. It's not like I'm trying to push Gbps across it. I'm just trying to get a hint before I try a voltmeter.....although I've got a stack of sacrificial Harbor Freight Voltmeters, if I need them.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 03:10 AM (EzgxV)

503 Another 6.9 earthquake in Vanuatu..

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 06, 2016 03:12 AM (iQIUe)

504 #501

Consider the solar sail concept. You may be able to jam a lot of photons in there but eventually that shell is going to melt or burst open. The math for both should have a lot of overlap.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 03:15 AM (IdCqF)

505 I should also remind everyone that laser stuff tonight is keeping my spirits up.....'cause it's all about taxes tomorrow morning. One of my greatest condolences when I find myself dead will be that someone else is responsible for my tax returns.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 03:16 AM (EzgxV)

506
It's water-cooled.

I watched the video. Is your device that size? I had something 3 or 4 times larger in mind.

I picked up a gantry-style aluminum engraver-style CNC a few months ago (all 3 stepper motors, no spindle) on Craig's List, and then bought a 12,000 RPM spindle assembly for it, I also plan to get a 3-D printer head and possibly a CO2 laser. The idea is that I can simply install the desired head on the gantry, and the rest will be a standard setup: mechanical and control, cooling, etc.

You might consider this, as it might be very much cheaper.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 06, 2016 03:18 AM (FlRtG)

507
I'm seeing a lot of Huggies ads here.

Either folks are seeking hugs in a roundabout way or there is a whole lot of bedwetting going on.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot, Epic Battle of the Cyclic Stars (TM) at April 06, 2016 03:18 AM (BK3ZS)

508 Just keeping shining that laser into the mirror-ball. Never stop.

What would happen? Would the ball just collect and collect and collect photons until it exploded in a pure-energy explosion, blinding everyone is a five-mile radius? Or would the light all necessarily all "leak out"? Or would the flaws in the glass and the front edge of the laser device get so hot that they melt? Or what?

No mirror material has 100% reflectivity, so some of that light is going to get absorbed and become heat.

What happens next depends on the materials involved and the power of the laser. At low power levels, the laser will end up heating up the ball proportional to its power rating. (the light bounces around inside until it's 99.99999% absorbed)

At higher power levels, either the heat degrades the coating and "burns" a hole, or the heat transfers to the glass of the ball, making it deform.

I'm guessing the coating degradation is the most likely outcome.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 06, 2016 03:21 AM (1D4Ef)

509 >>>But my question is this: What moral rule are you breaking if you keep
it? You didn't steal anything. You did nothing but find it. What is
immoral about keeping it? Specifically.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 05, 2016 11:50 PM (zc3Db)

Sorry if it's been mentioned-- didn't get through all the comments, but I would chalk this up a The Golden Rule "dilemma".
I would hope someone would return my wallet if lost and found. They could keep the cash (usually don't carry a lot...), but all the other stuff is a real pain to replace.

Posted by: GasperGoo at April 06, 2016 03:22 AM (yqOhE)

510 506
It's water-cooled.

I watched the video. Is your device that size? I had something 3 or 4 times larger in mind.

I picked up a gantry-style aluminum engraver-style CNC a few months ago (all 3 stepper motors, no spindle) on Craig's List, and then bought a 12,000 RPM spindle assembly for it, I also plan to get a 3-D printer head and possibly a CO2 laser. The idea is that I can simply install the desired head on the gantry, and the rest will be a standard setup: mechanical and control, cooling, etc.

You might consider this, as it might be very much cheaper.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 06, 2016 03:18 AM (FlRtG)

Which video did you watch?

And, yes -- standardizing the control of such beasties on Arduino-based hardware is a large part of the fun.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 03:23 AM (EzgxV)

511 It's water-cooled. I'm thinking it'd probably flick on-or-off in milliseconds. It's not like I'm trying to push Gbps across it.

Gbps? I'm assuming you're not using the bandwidth unit.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 06, 2016 03:23 AM (1D4Ef)

512 511 It's water-cooled. I'm thinking it'd probably flick on-or-off in milliseconds. It's not like I'm trying to push Gbps across it.

Gbps? I'm assuming you're not using the bandwidth unit.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 06, 2016 03:23 AM (1D4Ef)

I'm planning on using it as a marking/cutting laser -- +/- 1ms.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 03:26 AM (EzgxV)

513
Which video did you watch?

The one at 490 SMFH. It's a video of someone using a gantry-style CNC 40W laser to cut out parts for a puzzle. The material looks like .100 plywood, the sort used in dinosaur skeleton models.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 06, 2016 03:26 AM (FlRtG)

514 You know you're getting desperate to find a lost item when you go back to places you already checked because you know longer trust your earlier self to have looked thoroughly. You know that guy too well and he screws up constantly.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 03:32 AM (IdCqF)

515 513
Which video did you watch?

The one at 490 SMFH. It's a video of someone using a gantry-style CNC 40W laser to cut out parts for a puzzle. The material looks like .100 plywood, the sort used in dinosaur skeleton models.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 06, 2016 03:26 AM (FlRtG)

A laser cutter is a very nice experimental platform for CNC systems because a laser has no loading -- it doesn't resist movement.

That's what I thought. The one at 500 looks a lot like mine. Preferred material is 1/8" ply -- quite similar.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 06, 2016 03:33 AM (EzgxV)

516 Night all.

Here is "Around and Around" by Quartz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdrmdp7T5D0

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 06, 2016 03:34 AM (vBeA5)

517 I'm guessing the coating degradation is the most likely outcome.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens

Ok, but I only mentioned "glass" and "silver" as the building materials because that makes it easy to visualize.

What if, instead, one got ahold of the toughest, most heat-resistant white ceramic material we've ever devised -- like the stuff they made the heat shield on the Space Shuttle out of, but more recent, more tough, more everything, then took a big big thick block of it and somehow hollowed-out a spherical cavity inside, which you polished to the highest sheen possible, and as before left a tiny "hole"in the sphere through which you beamed a laser.

There's no way any light would leak through the ceramic. If the laser was beamed at an extreme oblique angle into the sphere, the photons would skitter along the inside, always impacting the ceramic at very shallow angles. Maybe that would greatly slow down the heat absorption?

Posted by: zombie at April 06, 2016 03:36 AM (jBuUi)

518 Oh geez, I missed that zombie put the coating behind the glass instead of in front of it.

A brief Google search suggests that clear glass absorbs somewhere around 15% of the light. 4 bounces and your beam strength is already down to half strength.

Light speed is enough to bounce around in a hand sized ball millions of times in a second. So in less than a second, the glass has absorbed 99.999 ...% of that laser energy.

It's not that much better with the coating in front of the glass. Wiki says you can get to 95% reflective, so 3x more bounces ... still not going to get you past a second. And how on earth do you apply a perfectly spherical mirror coating on the inside of a hollow glass ball?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 06, 2016 03:42 AM (1D4Ef)

519
A laser cutter is a very nice experimental platform for CNC systems because a laser has no loading -- it doesn't resist movement.

Check eBay "CNC Mill". Basic 3-axis gantry-style engraving machines can be obtained starting at about $430. Stepper motors are included, but I think the driver modules are not. A spindle motor and controller is included, and the spindle motor can be unbolted and removed.

Stepper motor drivers can be bought for about $50.00 each, plus a power supply for another $70.00.

Buy a copy of Mach-3 for $175.00.

Total cost is about $830.00, plus tax and S&H.

This looks like a cheap solution, and a relatively firm price (so far).

Build an enclosure (safety), build an adapter for your laser, and another one for a 3-D printer head. Don't forget air/fume extraction.

I think the total cost will be under $1000.00. The rest is software and experimentation.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 06, 2016 03:43 AM (FlRtG)

520 Plenty of those photons are going to find their way back the way they came in and destroy the laser.

Photons do have a punch, albeit tiny on an individual level. People don't think of light in kinetic terms but it is a very big factor in our existences. Do a search on 'photons and kinetic energy' and you'll get a great deal of background material. Ultimately, the sphere interior is going to melt from energy imparted be photon impacts or be bash apart by same or combination of the two. I suspect the input device will be affected sooner and present the greater problem.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 06, 2016 03:45 AM (IdCqF)

521 Don't forget World Domination. And, yes, I LOL'd.

: -)

The next item in the list was 2 Stroke 14% oil to fuel ...

At least it sounded 'technical'.

Posted by: Adriane the Driving Range Critic ... at April 06, 2016 03:45 AM (AoK0a)

522 There's no way any light would leak through the ceramic. If the laser was beamed at an extreme oblique angle into the sphere, the photons would skitter along the inside, always impacting the ceramic at very shallow angles. Maybe that would greatly slow down the heat absorption?
Posted by: zombie at April 06, 2016 03:36 AM (jBuUi)

The light doesn't leak through the material, it's the material absorbing photons at the atomic level.

Think of it like bouncing a ball on the ground. Some of the energy of the ball is lost every time the ball touches the ground.

Same thing with the light energy every time it reflects off something.

I don't think ceramic is a very good reflective material, haven't heard of it being used in any mirror applications.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 06, 2016 03:50 AM (1D4Ef)

523 It can't be morning already
Good morning horde

Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2016 04:13 AM (1J6E6)

524 "It can't be morning already "

Yeah. It's way too early to be awake.

Good Morning Everyone.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. You're getting sleepy....sleepy.... at April 06, 2016 04:15 AM (WVsWD)

525 Sorry if it's been mentioned-- didn't get through all the comments, but I would chalk this up a The Golden Rule "dilemma".

I'm Jewish so I go by Hillel's Contra-Positive Golden Rule: "Don't do to others that which you find hateful." If I lose something I consider it "lost". If someone finds it then I wouldn't fault them for keeping it.

I would hope someone would return my wallet if lost and found. They could keep the cash (usually don't carry a lot...), but all the other stuff is a real pain to replace.

Posted by: GasperGoo at April 06, 2016 03:22 AM (yqOhE)

It was the cash we were talking about, really. Yes, it is a total pain in the ass to replace licenses and cards and all that crap. If someone returned them then that person certainly deserves a sizable cash reward for saving me tons of hassle. But I would say that in that instance, there is a moral argument for the loser to pay the person who returns the items - mostly because there isn't one for the person to have to return them.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 04:16 AM (zc3Db)

526 Ted by 13
Bernie by 14

Good night, was wishing Ted got 51% though.

Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2016 04:19 AM (1J6E6)

527 Good night, was wishing Ted got 51% though.

Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2016 04:19 AM (1J6E6)

What did he get? I haven't looked at much but the two sites I looked at said 52 or 53.

He won al 24 of the wta Delegates but none of the District Delegates have been doled out.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. I am not Bob.... at April 06, 2016 04:25 AM (WVsWD)

528 It was the cash we were talking about, really. Yes, it is a total pain
in the ass to replace licenses and cards and all that crap. If someone
returned them then that person certainly deserves a sizable cash reward
for saving me tons of hassle. But I would say that in that instance,
there is a moral argument for the loser to pay the person who returns
the items - mostly because there isn't one for the person to have to
return them
.Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2016 04:16 AM (zc3Db)

Yes, it was kinda murky between just finding cash laying around looking for a home and finding a wallet with cash. I agree though, I would gladly reward someone just for saving me a trip to the DMV, yikes!

Posted by: GasperGoo at April 06, 2016 04:28 AM (yqOhE)

529 Ted 48
Donald 35
Kasich 14

Bernie 57
Hillary 43

Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2016 04:38 AM (1J6E6)

530 I have found a couple of Wallets in my lifetime. Both went back to their owners with everything that was in them when I found them.

One had no cash in it. I feared that the owner would think I took whatever cash was in it. I was so glad when she said there was none to begin with.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. I am not Bob.... at April 06, 2016 04:46 AM (WVsWD)

531 Posted by: Tim in Illinois. I am not Bob.... at April 06, 2016 04:46 AM (WVsWD)

One time I found around $140 on the ground in the parking area at one of the locations where I worked. Someone must have dropped it when pulling out their keys. Took it to the bosses office in case the person realized they lost the money and thought to check there, He probably pocketed it or, best case used it to cater food to the crew. I just did not think about keeping it knowing how hard the person worked for it... I've lost a wallet (stolen from my unlocked vehicle during a party) and really hated dealing with the ID, credit card, etc., etc hassle.

Posted by: GasperGoo at April 06, 2016 04:59 AM (yqOhE)

532 I lost mine on a 4 July night watching fireworks works. The next morning 2 women were out walking early and found it. Everything was returned.
Whenever I finch anything, mostly tools these days I try to get it back to owner.

Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2016 05:00 AM (1J6E6)

533 Read the sad story around midnight when I wanted to find results or elections. Prager often talks about how California can stick it to divorced men.

Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2016 05:02 AM (1J6E6)

534 Gotta go, need gas on the way.
Stay safe horde.

Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2016 05:03 AM (1J6E6)

535 I try to get it back to owner.

Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2016 05:00 AM (1J6E6)

A couple of years ago I visited my Daughter right before spring break at U of I. Kids were going here, there, and everywhere.

The next morning I found a raggedy Teddy Bear near the sidewalk of her Apartment. I still have it.

I put an ad o Craigslist and the University Site. No luck. It has got to be a childhood Heirloom. I would love to get it back to the owner.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. I am not Bob.... at April 06, 2016 05:05 AM (WVsWD)

536 Looks like Q.W. bit the dust.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. I am not Bob.... at April 06, 2016 05:06 AM (WVsWD)

537 Luckily, mine was taken before the time of rampant ID theft. It was a nice wallet (Gore-Tex w/ velcro) but I would really be fearful if the same thing happened in this day and time... Only had a 20 spot, so the cash was no biggy, but did have DL, CC's and Soc Sec card.The experience definitely tempered my enthusiasm about getting uproariously drunk around lots of strangers, lol!

Posted by: GasperGoo at April 06, 2016 05:08 AM (yqOhE)

538 Slow , slow, morning. I have accomplish nothing that I set out to do.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Bitten by the lazy bug. at April 06, 2016 05:21 AM (WVsWD)

539 @487 tmitsss

"Colonel Stirm is my grandfather, .... he still lives his life fully, refuses to put restrictions on himself or makeup excuses, and is as grouchy as ever" #

I read the back story and came away pissed off (at his ex). My dad was with 25th ID. Tell your grandfather "we wish him many Blessings" -- Ohio family with many combat vets in it's lineage.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at April 06, 2016 05:22 AM (E8UjU)

540 I used to work in a convenience store, and when people would lose cell phones, I'd wait until someone called and tell them where to pick them up. When people lost wallets, I'd check the ID and hold them until that customer came back, or if I didn't know them, throw 'em in the lost found with all contents intact and sort it out later if they came in.

But a wad of money laying on the ground? If there's no way to tell who it came from and you don't keep it, someone else will. Loose money goes straight to the pocket. Everything else gets turned in. Maybe I'm not the best of people, but I'm honest.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at April 06, 2016 05:38 AM (J+mig)

541 G'morning, all.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 06, 2016 05:45 AM (ptqRm)

542 When we were kids we found a huge wad of cash on the sidewalk. It was just rubber-banded together. It was a little under $400. We were pretty hard up, powdered milk poor, my alcoholic dad had buggered off and left my 25-year-old mother with five kids to raise and no income.

And my mother turned the money into the police station, because she lived by a code that I'm not sure exists anymore.

They said if no one claimed it we could have it in thirty days.

It turned out to belong to one of our neighbors, a cashed paycheck lost by the father of good friends of ours.

Posted by: Gem at April 06, 2016 06:00 AM (c+gwp)

543 Posted by: Gem at April 06, 2016 06:00 AM (c+gwp)

It used to be a very different world. When I was a kid, I'd have turned in something like that in an instant. I'm not so sure of that now.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at April 06, 2016 06:07 AM (J+mig)

544 Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at April 06, 2016 06:07 AM (J+mig)

We have spent a generation watching our politicians consciously and without a shred of remorse break law after law, and protect their backers with tailor-made legislation that often hurts average Americans.

Is it any wonder that you are questioning your moral stance?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 06, 2016 06:11 AM (Zu3d9)

545 'Morning, Horde. Thanks, Maet. Great ONT. Lotsa meat in this one.

Posted by: creeper at April 06, 2016 06:39 AM (rY/vE)

546 My Fair Lady - "Middle Class Morality" Scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UneL2KO20nQ

Posted by: Crowley at April 06, 2016 07:46 AM (KBDF/)

547 "So while the average person would almost certainly return a lost wallet
with $5 in it, most people would be very tempted to keep a lost deposit
satchel with $20,000 in it."

Interesting, but I think it's wrong. It's the other way around in U.S. culture. The $5 in a lost wallet is like finding $5 on the ground. If it happened to be convenient, a person might go to the trouble to return a wallet with $5. There is little risk and hardly any payoff in keeping $5. Keeping $20,000 is much riskier legally and morally. Plus, let's not forget that there is a potential for reward monetarily and a huge pat on the back.

Posted by: Wendy at April 06, 2016 10:05 AM (bpemY)

548 I used to love Night After Night. And Comics Only. And Short Attention Span Theater. Back when Comedy Central used to highlight talented standup comics instead of glorified YouTubers.

I was surprised as hell when Allan Havey showed up on Mad Men. I hadn't seen him on anything in ages.

Posted by: Mark V. at April 06, 2016 11:59 AM (bZL5e)

549 449
And that Washington Post article by the broad who's "raising" her cats
to be gender-neutral - did you guys read that? What a loon. And
apparently serious, rather than an April Fool's piece. Unbelievable.
*
*
Right. There wasn't enough over-the-top in the essay to ring the "satire" bell. This is the kind of stuff newspapers print/put online now? No wonder the industry is dying.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at April 06, 2016 01:13 PM (exvgC)

550 I did find a wallet in the early 1970s and I tracked down the owner. There was $65 in it and a couple of credit cards. When I handed him the wallet, he said he would have given me a reward, but I obviously helped myself. I told him it was exactly as I found it, and I resented the accusation. He was a real dick. He started to threaten me, telling me all the lawyers and cops he knew, and I told him to go fuck himself. I left saying his name and address. He never did say what he expected to find in the wallet.

Posted by: Darrell at April 06, 2016 02:11 PM (xaEjY)

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