Greg Gutfeld: The Same Tension Pulling the GOP Apart Also Exists Among FoxNews Anchors and at The Five Itself

Well this isn't exactly news, but it is news someone said it.

"We as a show," he said, "are facing internal strife, from a micro level to a macro level… Look at The Five. On any given day, we have tension over this nomination, over this candidate. You can look at our network as a whole."
He said this is true of pretty much "every area where there is conservatism" these days, but pointed to specific "issues within a family of anchors” that has fractured the anti-Obama unity they once enjoyed."

Video at the link.

Posted by: Ace at 12:32 PM

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Posted by: Chris M at March 31, 2016 12:32 PM (k3w9p)

2 Wow they really are upset about it.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 31, 2016 12:36 PM (QPdNE)

3 Wait, there are 'conservatives' at Fox? Who knew?

Oh, right David Brooks style conservatives. Ok, fine.

Posted by: Welcher Cleaveland at March 31, 2016 12:36 PM (Z26Bf)

4 >> from a micro level

So, Greg and Dana?

Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2016 12:38 PM (mEs7I)

5 Wait...wait...defending Trump makes you a conservative?

Trump is not conservative

That's what everyone says.

Posted by: Welcher Cleaveland at March 31, 2016 12:38 PM (Z26Bf)

6 Well maybe the idiots shouldn't back Trump

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 31, 2016 12:39 PM (voOPb)

7 Gutfeld is my favorite Fox persona*. He has a don't-giv-a-shit vibe, where the others seem to be jockeying for favor.

*(still fap to Megyn, of course)

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 31, 2016 12:39 PM (1xUj/)

8 Yeah, with so many egos and presumptions of what our respective candidates and their challengers stand for and against, I just don't see a scenario outside a major national external threat that could possibly unite the party. Even the specter of an internal threat like Hillary or Bernie seems insufficient to the task.

Posted by: KillianThyme at March 31, 2016 12:39 PM (n2r4H)

9 >>to a macro level

I thought they fired Beckel?

Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2016 12:39 PM (mEs7I)

10 Are they more upset about the GOP primary process or Geraldo getting kicked off Dancing With The Stars?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 31, 2016 12:40 PM (8ZskC)

11 *cackles in Rastafarian accent*

Tell me, AGAIN, how you chuckleheads are gonna beat moi when you can't even get your Vast Right-Wing Network to brainwash your voter-slaves correctly?

Posted by: Shrillary's Vagina at March 31, 2016 12:40 PM (AkIVs)

12 I think Beckel would have suffered a heart attack on-air if they hadn't fired him.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at March 31, 2016 12:41 PM (rlfds)

13 It took me a little longer, but I can't really root for Trump any more. He's coming across as a typical twitter moron who can't even spell correctly.

Posted by: Chris M at March 31, 2016 12:41 PM (k3w9p)

14 You can look at our network as a whole...

*****

I do. Oh, I do.

(is that supposed to be spelled with a "w"?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 31, 2016 12:41 PM (NeFrd)

15 )

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 31, 2016 12:41 PM (NeFrd)

16 Things are so ugly right now.

I'm not a Trump supporter, but I feel no unity with guys like Jim Geraghty or any number of Amnesty shill dickheads at NRO.

This party's problems go deeper than a division between Trump and NotTrump, and I, too, am not interested in "hugging" anything out with the current combatants.

Posted by: Kensington at March 31, 2016 12:41 PM (7Kbxu)

17 Wait...wait...Krauthammer bashes Trump and that makes Krauthammer a conservative?

This all so confusing.

Posted by: Welcher Cleaveland at March 31, 2016 12:42 PM (Z26Bf)

18 On the positive side most people have finally caught on to the GOPe's game.

On the negative side we don't really have a certain answer as to how to deal with both the GOPe and the left, with some favoring a Trump response and some a Cruz response.

And to add to the pressure, the country has taken a hard, fascist tack under Obama - certainly no one would be surprised to see Christians imprisoned or the 2nd Amendment shredded under a Clinton or Sanders presidency.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 31, 2016 12:42 PM (X7E8f)

19 It's called primary season

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 31, 2016 12:42 PM (Qvgg/)

20 People keep using that word "conservative". I argue that the GOP has failed to be conservative and also that Trump is not conservative. Too bad there isnt an insurgent candidate that will return the party to constitutional conservative limited government with full support of the bill of rights.

Posted by: california red at March 31, 2016 12:42 PM (sBAYv)

21 Well um "duh" no offense to you Ace.

The only good news is Donkey Party is also near explosion if you remove their crap ass Media shield.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 12:43 PM (g8Hfr)

22 Keep in mind, the majority of "conservative commentators" in the media are commentators who comment on conservatives, not conservatives who comment.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 31, 2016 12:43 PM (NeFrd)

23 I suspect that the tension on the 5 is due more to the management of Fox is drifting further to the left and some of the people on there do not like it. Fox has never been a really conservative news. At best some of the anchors were more of an RNCe leaning squad and on the Republican side they have always backed the most RINO of the candidates.

But even at that before I dropped my satellite I had noticed a more hard drift to the left. Now that good looking ginger who is married to the Navy seal may have some better conservative thoughts.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 31, 2016 12:44 PM (vvmPQ)

24 and Ace I mean "duh" as aimed at the idea that any grouping of GOP leaners does not have this tension.

The party has betrayed at least 3/5th its membership IMHO the last 15 years.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 12:44 PM (g8Hfr)

25 The only good news is Donkey Party is also near explosion if you remove their crap ass Media shield.
***
There is only so much free shit you can distribute without actually waking up the people you are leeching off of and we've basically hit that point.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 31, 2016 12:44 PM (X7E8f)

26 CNN says GOP looking at rules regulating convention fights. Quelle surprise.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at March 31, 2016 12:44 PM (xuQba)

27 "Movement Conservatives" (or whatever the label is this week) will have that idiot Trump hung around our necks and we will never shake him/it off. His own supporters love to lump and mix us in with the GOPe. "Conservatism has failed", they cry just like their leader of the Wiener Nation. Welcome our new Agrarian/Nationalist/Populism overlords.

Posted by: JROD at March 31, 2016 12:44 PM (wnwJC)

28 ...much like an invertebrate biologist would study and comment on worms or other lower life forms.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 31, 2016 12:45 PM (NeFrd)

29 I thought they fired Beckel?
Posted by: garrett
............
They have Juan Williams now...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 31, 2016 12:45 PM (so+oy)

30 22 Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 31, 2016 12:43 PM (NeFrd)

Plaintiff's Exhibit One- Megyn Kelly

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 12:45 PM (g8Hfr)

31 @Kensington, me too. I haven't voted for a Republican for President since 2004. I wouldn't do McCain, I wouldn't do Romney. Honestly, I won't even do Trump (or Kasich or anyone else they put up at the convention. Except Cruz.)

There were things I liked about Trump: he was the only one who was vocal and un-PC about illegal immigration and he infuriated people I've been hating for a decade now. That's it.

This is the GOP of Obamacare, illustrious judicial appointments like Merrick Garland, and "bipartisanship." I do not care that they're upset about Trump. I drink their tears with joy. They have royally screwed me and been quietly insulting my intelligence for years. I don't exactly care what they think now.

Posted by: sunny-dee at March 31, 2016 12:45 PM (QAOZh)

32 Why hasn't there been a podcast in almost 2 months??

Posted by: bathtubby at March 31, 2016 12:45 PM (NQeWt)

33 Keep in mind, the majority of "conservative commentators" in the media
are commentators who comment on conservatives, not conservatives who
comment.
***
The Democrat elite (including candidates and pundits) come from the left most cohorts of the party...and the same is true of the Republicans.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 31, 2016 12:45 PM (X7E8f)

34 The burn it down sentiment runs strong with the Trumpsters. Not with Trump himself, interestingly, but with his supporters, many of whom think the only solution to Uniparty corruption is to start over.

There are plenty of days I agree with that sentiment, but then I remember that feelings are not a plan, and Trump (as a centrist Democrat) isn't the right guy to effect the change I want. Plus he punches down way too much, and giving him access to IRS files is Clinton-level scary.

Posted by: Peyton Manning at March 31, 2016 12:45 PM (/m8T6)

35 Solution- watch Fox Business News instead. Kennedy is funny.

Posted by: Mr Lizard, Ted Cruz at March 31, 2016 12:45 PM (OkKDg)

36 Well, it's happened here too. How many commenters have we lost in the Trump Wars?

At least it's comforting, in a misery-loves-company sort of way.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 31, 2016 12:45 PM (KUaJL)

37 maybe the idiots shouldn't back Trump
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 31, 2016 12:39 PM (voOPb)

- - - -

Good job proving Gutfeld's point.

10/10

Posted by: Community Organizer at March 31, 2016 12:46 PM (GN7Er)

38 *(still fap to Megyn, of course)

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 31, 2016 12:39 PM (1xUj/)
_________________________

Me too....

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 31, 2016 12:46 PM (HSmrB)

39 The only good news is Donkey Party is also near explosion if you remove their crap ass Media shield.
Posted by: sven10077

Their first fling this season was in Iowa. Six magical coin tosses. They won't explode. They're lining up as they always do.

By convention time, all the people whipped up by bernies' free shit parade will fins out that he took a pay off from the dems and he'll give a rambling speech and go back to being a tax fattened hyena.

Posted by: Haven Monahan at March 31, 2016 12:46 PM (326rv)

40
Donkey Party is also near explosion if you remove their crap ass Media shield.
Posted by: sven10077

If I had wings I could fly. Unless I were a turkey.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 31, 2016 12:46 PM (FkBIv)

41 25 Posted by: 18-1 at March 31, 2016 12:44 PM (X7E8f)

Yup...a lot of "security moms" will come home when they grasp their kids' nation is being given away.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 12:46 PM (g8Hfr)

42 We have:

On the left

Sanders - dedicated socialist

Clinton - documented felon

On the right

Trump - nobody knows what he stands for, including him

Cruz - smart constitutional conservative, trying to run a LIV campaign

Neither party has any claim to the title of 'death throes' right now.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 31, 2016 12:46 PM (Qvgg/)

43 This is getting silly. There is always a split in the primaries and people being singled out and called all sorts of names based on whom they are supporting.

What's with all he butthurt this cycle?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2016 12:46 PM (/tuJf)

44 I've seen on a lot of conservative websites the following "MOST HORRIBLE MONSTERS ALIVE TODAY!!!" implied hierarchy:

1) Trump and or Cruz
2) Trump and or Cruz's Spouse
3) Trump and or Cruz's supporters
4) Soros,Obama, Clintons etc. yadda, yadda...

Yes, in decreasing order. It's getting redonkulous and #4 and below are just LTFAO

Posted by: bananaDream at March 31, 2016 12:46 PM (Ag8Mw)

45 I hope they do something at the convention and screw Trump over, just because " hey we are just using the rules"

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 31, 2016 12:46 PM (dULJN)

46 certainly no one would be surprised to see Christians imprisoned or the
2nd Amendment shredded under a Clinton or Sanders presidency.
---
I think the former would be a surprise to 'Christians' who think government exists to do their good works for them.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 31, 2016 12:46 PM (ZbV+0)

47 >> Why hasn't there been a podcast in almost 2 months??

Ace has been up so early lately that he just can't stay up late enough to record?

No. That's not it...

Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2016 12:47 PM (mEs7I)

48 Beckel does CNN.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 31, 2016 12:47 PM (FkBIv)

49 Things fall apart ; The Five cannot hold.
Mere Trumparchy is loosed upon the world.

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at March 31, 2016 12:47 PM (3HIi5)

50 Well, we wanted to let it burn, and personally I would like to see the GOP and the DNC be destroyed. I just think all this nonsense gives us President Hillary, the country is even more divided, and there is another awful, childish election four years from now.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 31, 2016 12:48 PM (kFnmp)

51 Ace has been up so early lately that he just can't stay up late enough to record?

No. That's not it...

Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2016 12:47 PM (mEs7I)

-----

.... its because the last one takes two months to listen to.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 31, 2016 12:48 PM (8XRCm)

52 40 Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 31, 2016 12:46 PM (FkBIv)

or a chicken...

thing is the media will lose its unity in the next 8 years as the racial schisms in their caucus fester.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 12:48 PM (g8Hfr)

53 And?

I'm not trying to be snarky but so what. It's good to have tension and differences of opinion. Everyone thinking in lockstep is creepy.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at March 31, 2016 12:48 PM (mf5HN)

54 I fail to see the problem. Better that all the cards are laid out for everyone to see.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 31, 2016 12:49 PM (JxMoP)

55 And this was the whole point of getting Trump to run. Whoever convinced the Donald to pitch his head weasel in the ring wanted to kill not just the GOP but also as much of conservatism as possible. As the Ronulans like to say (ad nauseum): cui bono?

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at March 31, 2016 12:49 PM (PjWy4)

56 Solution- cut cable, save money, and the lib media makes less money. It's a win-win.

Posted by: Iasonas at March 31, 2016 12:49 PM (aA7IN)

57 I do not care that they're upset about Trump. I drink their tears with joy.
***
It will be interesting to see what happens if Sanders can actually continue to make a real run at the Dem nomination.

The GOPe thinks it can work with Hillary (and seems to prefer her to Trump or Cruz) but Sanders is going to shlong them good and hard if he becomes president. A Sanders candidacy might even wake up some of the less oblivious GOPers to how screwed they really are if they drive off the right...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 31, 2016 12:49 PM (X7E8f)

58 So what stupidity will come out of the Mouth of Trump today?

Floggings for thinking about contraceptives? Waterboarding for baggy jeans??

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 31, 2016 12:49 PM (so+oy)

59 >>>"We as a show," he said, "are facing internal strife, from a micro level to a macro level..."<<<

I!

See!

Five!

Strife!

Posted by: Capt. Picard at March 31, 2016 12:50 PM (H9MG5)

60 I don't like The 5.
At all.

And that is ignoring the fact that it ruined Red Eye.

Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2016 12:50 PM (mEs7I)

61 Too bad there isnt an insurgent candidate that will return the party to constitutional conservative limited government

Never going to happen, unfortunately. The federalist position (small fed and agnostic on states) can't even get 5% of the vote, and a libertarian position (small fed and small state) is even lower.

The "conservative" side of the population is filled with people who, like the left, want a tyrant. They just want OUR tyrant. A federal prohibition on gay marriage, for example, is popular on the right, but totally against the 10th Amendment.

Posted by: wooga at March 31, 2016 12:50 PM (LUtLU)

62 Ok

I remember a lot of tension about the author of Romney care being the nominee in what was supposed to be an Obama care election. It's bad this year, but part of that is because it's the first time GOPe is feeling it. For a change

Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2016 12:50 PM (zOTsN)

63 >>>>>Everyone thinking in lockstep is creepy.
-----

It also makes for boring television.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 31, 2016 12:50 PM (JxMoP)

64 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at March 31, 2016 12:50 PM (GwIKd)

65 Plus he punches down way too much, and giving him access to IRS files is Clinton-level scary.
Posted by: Peyton Manning at March 31, 2016 12:45 PM (/m8T6)
This plus unleashing his petulant litigiousness with lawyers he doesn't have to personally finance.

Posted by: KillianThyme at March 31, 2016 12:50 PM (n2r4H)

66 57 Posted by: 18-1 at March 31, 2016 12:49 PM (X7E8f)

They also are making the mistake of thinking Cankles will be Bubba version 2.0....

BARK BARK will be more sane on foreign policy than Ogabe....how could she not be but she is every bit the Pinko the Barn is just with extra graft sauce.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 12:51 PM (g8Hfr)

67 Solution- cut cable, save money, and the lib media makes less money. It's a win-win.
Posted by: Iasonas
.............
And be stuck watchin Cheers and Frasier re-runs on Netflix! Oh boy!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 31, 2016 12:51 PM (so+oy)

68
thing is the media will lose its unity in the next 8 years as the racial schisms in their caucus fester.
Posted by: sven10077

Hope springs eternal.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 31, 2016 12:51 PM (FkBIv)

69 A federal prohibition on gay marriage, for example, is popular on the right, but totally against the 10th Amendment.
***
The vast majority of what the government does is against the 10th Amendment.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 31, 2016 12:51 PM (X7E8f)

70 Beckel does CNN.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 31, 2016 12:47 PM (FkBIv)
_________________________

And Huma does Dallas....

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 31, 2016 12:51 PM (HSmrB)

71 9 >>to a macro level

I thought they fired Beckel?
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2016 12:39 PM (mEs7I

Thats a Magna level with Beckel

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 31, 2016 12:51 PM (voOPb)

72 56 Posted by: Iasonas at March 31, 2016 12:49 PM (aA7IN)

Absolutely....

in January of 2013 there was a line of us out the door and snaking around the parking lot to kill the cord in Indiana....

starve the beast.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 12:52 PM (g8Hfr)

73 Hi Jasper!!!!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 31, 2016 12:52 PM (NeFrd)

74 Greg Gutfeld used to be a Libertarian till his sudden, overnight conversion to GOP elitist shill, at the behest of his employer.

He has no credibilty with me since he has no strength of convictions.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 31, 2016 12:52 PM (r9tFS)

75 >>>And that is ignoring the fact that it ruined Red Eye.
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2016 12:50 PM (mEs7I)<<<

Here, here, old boy!

Posted by: Pinch, former RedEye NY Times correspondent at March 31, 2016 12:52 PM (H9MG5)

76 Waterboarding for baggy jeans??

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 31, 2016 12:49 PM (so+oy)

No need to waterboard just make tem take movi prep

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 31, 2016 12:52 PM (QPdNE)

77 21 Well um "duh" no offense to you Ace.

The only good news is Donkey Party is also near explosion if you remove their crap ass Media shield.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 12:43 PM (g8Hfr)

Love ya sven -- no homo -- but I'm not seeing it. Bernie is a tool to distract the Milennials but they'll all pull the lever for Hillary when the time comes.

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at March 31, 2016 12:52 PM (PjWy4)

78 >>> from a micro level

>> So, Greg and Dana?

I've never paid attention to their hand sizes. Is this true?

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at March 31, 2016 12:52 PM (ml1PM)

79 Fox News Personalities--Hannity and O'Reilly

Dilettantes of Trump--The Orange Al Sharpton.

Posted by: Unfettered Power at March 31, 2016 12:53 PM (mcm0N)

80 I hope they do something at the convention and screw Trump over, just because " hey we are just using the rules"

One of our problems is, if none of them get 1237, the shit show begins.

Supposedly, the winner has to be someone still running? That would mean either giving it to trump, or ignoring trump (the leader) and giving it to Cruz or Kashit.

If that rule gets changed, then one of the drop outs gets to drop back in.

And if they go hog wild, then they foist off someone who didn't even run.

Is there any incarnation here that would likely result in a party effort sufficiently united to beat Hillary?

Posted by: Haven Monahan at March 31, 2016 12:53 PM (326rv)

81 People I used to enjoy who have become unhinged. Kevin Williamson. NRO in general. The Rick Wilson. All of Twitter

Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2016 12:53 PM (zOTsN)

82
People keep using that word "conservative". I argue that the GOP has
failed to be conservative and also that Trump is not conservative.

There are some of us who support Trump as a matter of protest to the GOP's brazen anti-conservative agenda (crushing the tea party and so forth). Sure, Trump's a dumpster fire.

He's still more reliable than the gope, and held in higher regard as a result.

Too
bad there isnt an insurgent candidate that will return the party to
constitutional conservative limited government with full support of the
bill of rights.

There's no reason to beat around the bush. If you think one election can fix the GOP, you should be voting for Cruz. And if you want to persuade others to do the same, explaining how he gets anything done with the Ryan-McConnell-Chamber of Commerce axis running congress.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 31, 2016 12:53 PM (ZbV+0)

83 But isn't this really the story of Greg Gutfeld? He's apparently some kind of leading conservative light now, but at Men's Health he was a little fascist bitch. (Now he's just a little bitch?) Sure, he's funny. Sometimes though, he's just funny, that's all. Perfectly OK commentator on the passing scene; I'd hate to think of anyone taking ideological cues from his "persona."

Kennedy's real, but doesn't have the ankles for the Leg Chair. A Fox thing.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 31, 2016 12:53 PM (xq1UY)

84 For the Cruz supporters -

Why did Ted Cruz do that photo op with Glenn Beck, where he's handing out toys to kids as they cross the US border?

Posted by: mrp at March 31, 2016 12:53 PM (JBggj)

85 Thats a Magna level with Beckel

****

I saw that as "magma"

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 31, 2016 12:53 PM (NeFrd)

86 67 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 31, 2016 12:51 PM (so+oy)

As if....

Netflix picked up Longmire when A+E got their "demographics baby" on nuking their 3d rated show.

The NF Marvel-verse is better than anything on network or pay cable these days.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 12:54 PM (g8Hfr)

87
I'm not a Trump supporter, but I feel no unity with guys like Jim Geraghty or any number of Amnesty shill dickheads at NRO.

Teh Donald may well lead the GOP to a Mondale-like beatdown in November, but (fingers crossed) I hope his candidacy puts a wooden stake in the hearts of Little Marco, Juan Ellis "where the brown women at?" Bush and John "Jesus says gimme all your money!" Kasich and keeps the fuckers from coming back in 2020.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 31, 2016 12:54 PM (X6fMO)

88 Ooops... "hear, hear!"... auto complete suggests here before hear... lazy me wasn't paying attention.

Posted by: Pinch, former RedEye NY Times correspondent at March 31, 2016 12:54 PM (H9MG5)

89 Seriously, that Geraghty thing on the Corner yesterday really rubbed me the wrong way. The presumption that, when the smoke clears at the end of this debacle, the GOPe shills will be the ones deciding who to make nice with is really galling.

It ain't just guys like Hannity who deserve to have their credibility go up in flames. There's plenty of kindling available around NRO, only they don't seem to think so.

And, again, I know it's beating a dead horse, but you don't have to be a Trump supporter to feel that way, because I do, and I'm not.

Posted by: Kensington at March 31, 2016 12:54 PM (7Kbxu)

90 Trump's comments about how Walker should've raised taxes rather than reform pensions were the final straw for me. I will never under any circumstances support this man and hope his delegates abandon him at the convention.

And any threat Trump about a 3rd party run is probably an empty one. He won't enter a race he is bound to lose and I doubt he has the cash to fund it anyway.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at March 31, 2016 12:54 PM (LkaHw)

91 The problem is this election season has ripped the curtains away and revealed that the GOP is a fraudulent party.

It's neither Republican and neither Conservstive.

It's a farce, and appendage of the Democrat Party

And while Trump is no Conservstive he has revealed all of the CON-servatives.

I say this often but it bears repeating as many times as possible, the GOP will have controlled the house for 18 of the last 22 years, the house for 12 of the last 10 years and the presidency for 8 of the last 22 years and has produced nothing remotely Recognizable as Republican or Conservstive.

It's a sham party, it needs to die, it cannot be salvaged.

Posted by: Kreplach at March 31, 2016 12:55 PM (efuKF)

92 81 People I used to enjoy who have become unhinged. Kevin Williamson. NRO in general. The Rick Wilson. All of Twitter

Seconded.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 31, 2016 12:55 PM (kFnmp)

93 Follow-up on Monty Hall and the three doors.

Switching your choice doesn't increase your chances.

Think of it as two rounds. In the first round you pick one door of the three. But then Monty "cheats" in your favor. When he shows you one of the two doors that you didn't pick, he never shows you the winning door. If it was random and "honest," one-third of the time the winning door that you didn't pick would come up and you'd lose in the first round. So, because Monty cheats, you can never lose in the first round. The first round doesn't matter -- it's a setup.

In the second round, there are two doors left and you can pick either, by keeping your original pick or switching. Either way you've got a 50% chance. Because Monty cheats in the first round, you're odds of winning were always one in two, not one in three.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 31, 2016 12:55 PM (r1fLd)

94 Things fall apart ; The Five cannot hold.
Mere Trumparchy is loosed upon the world.

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at March 31, 2016 12:47 PM (3HIi5)

And what orange candidate, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Cleveland to be nominated?

Posted by: HTL at March 31, 2016 12:55 PM (NAWno)

95 Love ya sven -- no homo -- but I'm not seeing it. Bernie is a tool to distract the Milennials but they'll all pull the lever for Hillary when the time comes.
Posted by: joncelli
............
Some will, but most will stay home..
especially if Bernie keeps surging and Hillary has to take the nomination only by using superdelegates..
They will be as butthurt as Trump supporters will be when the RNC denies him!
Should be fun!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 31, 2016 12:55 PM (so+oy)

96 81 Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2016 12:53 PM (zOTsN)

Rick Wilson and I threw down...so did Slone and I...

the idea that wanting borders =s nativist =s KKK is a calumny I hate coming from the SPLC...coming from our "allies" well I LOVE that.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 12:55 PM (g8Hfr)

97 I find Kennedy sexy in some weird way

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 31, 2016 12:55 PM (dULJN)

98 Wharrbargl!

Posted by: Wharrbargl! at March 31, 2016 12:56 PM (kTF2Z)

99 The NF Marvel-verse is better than anything on network or pay cable these days.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 12:54 PM (g8Hfr)
Throw in shows like Narcos, Making a Murder, etc., and who needs cable?

Posted by: Iasonas at March 31, 2016 12:56 PM (aA7IN)

100 Boy, Rush is really hip deep in excuse making for Trump today. Anybody else make those idiotic comments on abortion and Rush would have led the charge to excoriate them.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 12:56 PM (/E+t2)

101 Hi Jasper!!!!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 31, 2016 12:52 PM (NeFrd)

----

NEVER trust a woman that loves her dog more than her man.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 31, 2016 12:57 PM (8XRCm)

102 5-2 Perino goes Hulk on Gutfeld after he makes one of his digs about her height.
Farm girls are tough.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 31, 2016 12:57 PM (FtrY1)

103 I'm with JackStraw and AtC on this - not sure that division and strife are novel, or all bad.

However, I would tentatively offer that the "heat of battle" over the unconventional candidacy of You Know Who has provided the opportunity for many hitherto respectable commentators (pros, possibly some "commenters" here too) to show their "limitations". That's it, "limitations".

An example, the current WSJ Heninger piece. WTF? His summary of the last six years is not recognizable to anyone actually alive and informed the last six years.

If nothing else, there is an inexplicable and fanatical attachment to the idea that the GOP's travails could not possibly be related to their actual action/inaction on actual policy matters, esp., since they were given both houses of Congress (and "given" is the precisely correct term - neither mid-term wave victory was achieved by adopting any concrete substantive program, in fact the leadership - comically so - openly resisted running on anything other than being "the other guys" right up to their huge victories).

Posted by: rhomboid at March 31, 2016 12:57 PM (QDnY+)

104 77 Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at March 31, 2016 12:52 PM (PjWy4)

Yup...

This race I am not arguing it, I am saying that their suicide caucus has fissures in it....

momentum will save it this cycle...

at some point the hipsters, the BLMs, and the La Razas have to slice up the pie...

nothing on Earth can feed all their desires.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 12:57 PM (g8Hfr)

105 Well, there is good news. Season 7 of Archer premieres tonight.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 31, 2016 12:57 PM (kFnmp)

106 >>Seriously, that Geraghty thing on the Corner yesterday really rubbed me the wrong way. The presumption that, when the smoke clears at the end of this debacle, the GOPe shills will be the ones deciding who to make nice with is really galling.

I don't see why. People like Geraghty who have been against Trump since the get go have taken a ton of shit from Trump supporters for being establishment hacks. Not because of whom they support, just because they didn't support Trump.

Not that it is becoming blindingly obvious that they were right you are surprised they are taking a victory lap?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2016 12:57 PM (/tuJf)

107
It's a sham party, it needs to die, it cannot be salvaged.
Posted by: Kreplach at March 31, 2016 12:55 PM (efuKF

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Trump's demise will fall onto the states.

Wisconsin Republicans are not perfect, but still more conservative than DC. Its more red than blue in many a year. Lots of conservative things passed. I see the death of the national GOP to be disastrous for states that are red. WI being a prime example

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 31, 2016 12:57 PM (voOPb)

108 I find Kennedy sexy in some weird way
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 31, 2016 12:55 PM (dULJN)

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You have a thing for the nerdy librarian then.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 31, 2016 12:57 PM (8XRCm)

109 The vast majority of what the government does is against the 10th Amendment.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 31, 2016 12:51 PM (X7E8f)

Only you, AllenG, and like four other people care anymore. If we join forces with the hipster fonzie libertarians, we still wouldn't have enough to field a football team.

Posted by: wooga at March 31, 2016 12:58 PM (LUtLU)

110 Ooops... "hear, hear!"... auto complete suggests here before hear... lazy me wasn't paying attention.

Posted by: Pinch,

****

There, there. Don't feel bad.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 31, 2016 12:58 PM (NeFrd)

111 Then he let loose with a "Revenge Fart": See Breitbart London.

Posted by: Paladin at March 31, 2016 12:58 PM (ycm4Q)

112 I think Trump is just trolling us now

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 31, 2016 12:58 PM (dULJN)

113 105 Well, there is good news. Season 7 of Archer premieres tonight.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 31, 2016 12:57 PM (kFnmp

So is hockey

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 31, 2016 12:58 PM (voOPb)

114 Some delegates for Trump will be like that scene from Spinal Tap--Hello Cleveland!*

*lost.

Posted by: Unfettered Power at March 31, 2016 12:58 PM (mcm0N)

115 This is getting silly. There is always a split in
the primaries and people being singled out and called all sorts of names
based on whom they are supporting.

What's with all he butthurt this cycle?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2016 12:46 PM (/tuJf)

Maybe it's just me, but I kind of get the impression from folks I read and talk to that a whole lot of people have forgotten that we ever had political campaigns prior to the current one.
I don't really have a guess at 'why'.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 31, 2016 12:58 PM (ZbV+0)

116 >> I'd hate to think of anyone taking ideological cues from his "persona."

His real talent (much like Uncle Bobo) was his ability to book a juxtaposition of awesome and divergent talents for Red Eye.

His jokes were no better than what can be found here, everyday.
He's nowhere near as funny as Ace...or at least, Ray's Original Ace.

Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2016 12:59 PM (mEs7I)

117 89 Posted by: Kensington at March 31, 2016 12:54 PM (7Kbxu)

as I said Jimbo G and NRO was too busy sucking CoC's man-licorice to see they were killing the party.

Had ANY of them seen to tending our garden then perhaps Trump would have never had oxygen in the first place.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 12:59 PM (g8Hfr)

118 So is hockey

Sploosh!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 31, 2016 12:59 PM (kFnmp)

119 Just elect Trump. If nothing else, he has a very bangable wife. And by that, I mean she may actually bang you.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 31, 2016 01:00 PM (kFnmp)

120 I read and talk to that a whole lot of people have forgotten that we ever had political campaigns prior to the current one.

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Campaigns. Yes.

It just that the Republicans havent had a ruthless candidate since Nixon.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 31, 2016 01:00 PM (8XRCm)

121
I find Kennedy sexy in some weird way

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 31, 2016 12:55 PM (dULJN)
_________________________

Me too....

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 31, 2016 01:00 PM (HSmrB)

122 Funny thing.

'Way back in 1994, I received a piece in the mail under the title of "I Am A Republican Because." It was penned by -- believe it or not -- Haley Barbour. I found it again on the intertubez, and there's a link in my nick.

Gawd, that seems so long ago. If the Republican Party still stood for that, I'd probably still be one. Now it's clear that there's a need for a conservative party, if the GOP can't be dragged back to that, kicking and screaming.

How the times have changed, and the party, and Barbour.

Posted by: Qoheleth at March 31, 2016 01:01 PM (iIzG7)

123 Trump's comments about how Walker should've raised taxes rather than reform pensions were the final straw for me.
============================================

He said that ?? Seriously?

I typed something then I deleted it.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 31, 2016 01:01 PM (dFi94)

124 I'm not trying to be snarky but so what. It's good to have tension and
differences of opinion. Everyone thinking in lockstep is creepy.
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Wasn't keeping everyone in tension rather than all cooperating headlong into disaster the point of our system of government?

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 31, 2016 01:01 PM (ZbV+0)

125 Had ANY of them seen to tending our garden then perhaps Trump would have never had oxygen in the first place.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 12:59 PM (g8Hfr)

Gang of 8
Dave Brat's defeat of Eric Cantor.
How many times do you have to be hit with a freakin' 2x4 to realize something isn't right?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 31, 2016 01:01 PM (voOPb)

126 The only good news is Donkey Party is also near explosion if you remove their crap ass Media shield.

****

Yeah, I could see the Democrat party fractionating into smaller groups including welfare deadbeats, union activists, racial grievance mongers, Socialists and Republicans.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 31, 2016 01:01 PM (NeFrd)

127 104 77 Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at March 31, 2016 12:52 PM (PjWy4)

Yup...

This race I am not arguing it, I am saying that their suicide caucus has fissures in it....

momentum will save it this cycle...

at some point the hipsters, the BLMs, and the La Razas have to slice up the pie...

nothing on Earth can feed all their desires.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 12:57 PM (g8Hfr)

Well, this is true enough long-term but first we're going to get 16 years of uninterrupted leftism, 2008--2024. During this time the GOP will either be severely diminished or out of existence. So who's forming the new party we can all get behind? What's it called, what's its platform, who's bankrolling it, who is doing the legal legwork, who is wooing local party personnel?

Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at March 31, 2016 01:01 PM (PjWy4)

128 122 Posted by: Qoheleth at March 31, 2016 01:01 PM (iIzG7)

1994 was the ultimate con job ran on the Reaganites.

It is my belief they never intended to actually fight the rot in our schools and Hollywood.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 01:01 PM (g8Hfr)

129 "[Now] that it is becoming blindingly obvious that they were right you are surprised they are taking a victory lap?"
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I think they're presuming way too much about the meaning and extent of their victory -- for instance that there will be a sizable crowd of people rushing to get back in their good graces.

Posted by: Kensington at March 31, 2016 01:02 PM (7Kbxu)

130 >>I find Kennedy sexy in some weird way

Snarky. Smart. Glasses.

...and a solid 6.5 / 10 - so you know she'll let you do butt stuff.

What's not to like?

Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2016 01:02 PM (mEs7I)

131 12 I think Beckel would have suffered a heart attack on-air if they hadn't fired him.

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at March 31, 2016 12:41 PM (rlfds)

He was fired? Thought he quit to go into rehab.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 31, 2016 01:02 PM (/D5Lf)

132 33 Keep in mind, the majority of "conservative commentators" in the media are commentators who comment on conservatives, not conservatives who
comment.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 31, 2016 12:45 PM (X7E8f)

Well said.

Posted by: rickl at March 31, 2016 01:02 PM (zoehZ)

133
the GOP is a fraudulent party.
It's neither Republican and neither Conservstive.
It's a farce, and appendage of the Democrat Party

Q:Are we not USA?
A:We are Europe

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 31, 2016 01:02 PM (FkBIv)

134 Once again, get ready for Romney.

Trump has become his own worst enemy. He's had a bad March and needs to find a way to get his mojo back. The abortion thing yesterday was an unforced error, as tried to play Chris Matthews but it got played back on Trump. I thought Trump didn't care about abortion. After you get through the Southern primaries by splitting the Evangelical vote with Cruz, why go there.

But Cruz has never been electable in the general. It's nearly impossible at the moment to elect a Constitutional Conservative who's also meaningfully pro-Life. Especially when you're a creepy tool. And a lawyer.

Either Trump gets past a probable loss in WI, and gets back to a 1,237 trajectory, or it'll be Romney on the 4th ballot.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 31, 2016 01:02 PM (r1fLd)

135 >>>Why did Ted Cruz do that photo op with Glenn Beck, where he's handing out toys to kids as they cross the US border?

Another Moron answered this yesterday.

1. At the time, to highlight the clusterfuck Obama unleashed when he encouraged every and anybody from Mexico, Central, and South America to swarm our borders.

2. Show he has compassion for actually human beings and not just polite speak

3. Show support for Glenn Beck.

You know at some level you have to realize all those dirty brown children from south of the border are just as much pawns in this game too.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 01:02 PM (/E+t2)

136 It is not really the case that the longer you wait to come to terms with what Trump is, the dumber you are. We all have different priorities. We all have different tolerances for 85-IQ stupidity propped up by daddy's money.

But it *is* the case that the longer you wait to come to terms and dump Trump, the dumber you *sound* to others, and maybe yourself.

For some of these personalities, we've long passed the point where their egos and careers could handle disembarking the Trump Train at this hour.

Posted by: Funkotron at March 31, 2016 01:02 PM (LHS8g)

137 123 Trump's comments about how Walker should've raised taxes rather than reform pensions were the final straw for me.
============================================

He said that ?? Seriously?

I typed something then I deleted it.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 31, 2016 01:01 PM (dFi94

Per Donald, the only good republican is the republican that will vote/endorse him.
His Heidi Cruz shit put me at the I don't think I can vote for him
His WI GOP bashing has put me over to Ace's camp.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 31, 2016 01:03 PM (voOPb)

138 127 Posted by: joncelli, Bridge Troll and Crossbow Afficianado at March 31, 2016 01:01 PM (PjWy4)

We're not coming back from this one...

Their coalition will splinter but Donkey party will have imported a new population that thinks "civics" is a sports arena...

I am slowly making my peace with things.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 01:03 PM (g8Hfr)

139 130 >>I find Kennedy sexy in some weird way

Snarky. Smart. Glasses.

...and a solid 6.5 / 10 - so you know she'll let you do butt stuff.

What's not to like?
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2016 01:02 PM (mEs7I)

Could have sworn she was going to turn out a big lib. Glad I was wrong.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 31, 2016 01:03 PM (/D5Lf)

140 If they are right , then Geragty can take his victory lap

It's talking to the voters, and their alleged base, just like the left does. Accusing them of racism, nativism and calling them Nazis.

All they offer is personal insults

The whole, "You will respect my authority!" Of it all

Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2016 01:03 PM (zOTsN)

141
One way or another -
I'm gonna getcha getcha getcha getcha

Posted by: Trumpanarchy With a Wang! at March 31, 2016 01:03 PM (iQIUe)

142 It took me a little longer, but I can't really root for Trump any more.
He's coming across as a typical twitter moron who can't even spell
correctly.

Worst Case Scenario come Nov. 2016: Hillary v Trump.
I have no idea what I will do. I know what Hillary will do, and we can not survive another 4 years, let alone 8. Trump is a complete unknown. The road least traveled...by this country at least.

Posted by: Paladin at March 31, 2016 01:04 PM (ycm4Q)

143 I am slowly making my peace with things.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 01:03 PM (g8Hfr)

Comforting to know God is in charge and has a sense of humor about how insignificant man is.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 31, 2016 01:04 PM (voOPb)

144 KASICH ATE PIZZA WITH A FORK!!!!!

FUCKIN' FAG!

Posted by: Dirty Randy at March 31, 2016 01:04 PM (jjaLl)

145 How the times have changed, and the party, and Barbour.
Posted by: Qoheleth at March 31, 2016 01:01 PM (iIzG7)

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So... sadly it hasnt changed.

They were lying then.
They are lying now.

They just want their turn at running an omnipotent, ubiquitous, all reaching Federal Behemoth.

You dont think they went to all that time and trouble to get elected to just turn all that power and influence back to the States now, did you??

Posted by: fixerupper at March 31, 2016 01:04 PM (8XRCm)

146 Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 31, 2016 01:01 PM (ZbV+0)

That's a great observation. I haven't thought about it in that light.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 01:04 PM (/E+t2)

147 It's simple really....

How many decades have we tried to get rid of the rats in the barn? To no avail.

I'm with the Barn Burners.

Posted by: Pam at March 31, 2016 01:04 PM (cF0hS)

148 He's nowhere near as funny as Ace...or at least, Ray's Original Ace.

Oh absolutely. Hey wait, is that Ace with the vinegar, or Ace with the mustard?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 31, 2016 01:05 PM (xq1UY)

149 This is getting silly. There is always a split in

the primaries and people being singled out and called all sorts of names

based on whom they are supporting.

What's with all he butthurt this cycle?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2016 12:46 PM (/tuJf)

Maybe
it's just me, but I kind of get the impression from folks I read and
talk to that a whole lot of people have forgotten that we ever had
political campaigns prior to the current one.
I don't really have a guess at 'why'.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 31, 2016 12:58 PM (ZbV+0)

Are you suggesting the Republican Party is NOT more fractured than ever before?

Because, it is.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 31, 2016 01:05 PM (TOk1P)

150 His WI GOP bashing has put me over to Ace's camp.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 31, 2016 01:03 PM (voOPb)
============================================

Well if he's dumb enough to support raising taxes over pension reform, he's stupider than I thought. Or a Democrat. Lot of overlap there.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 31, 2016 01:05 PM (dFi94)

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Posted by: Lieberrys LLC at March 31, 2016 01:05 PM (Z26Bf)

152 Snarky. Smart. Glasses.

...and a solid 6.5 / 10 - so you know she'll let you do butt stuff.

What's not to like?
Posted by: garrett at March 31, 2016 01:02 PM (mEs7I)

Kennedy at the beach

http://tinyurl.com/guz5puy

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 31, 2016 01:05 PM (/D5Lf)

153 >>I think they're presuming way too much about the meaning and extent of their victory -- for instance that there will be a sizable crowd of people rushing to get back in their good graces.

Eh, I guess I see it more as a human nature sort of thing. And let's face it, with the advent of all these different rapid means of communication we don't get a lot of the well thought out pontifications that we got with the Buckley's of the world.

I thought his piece was more of a na-na, told you so than looking for people to come running to his cause. And that's what a lot of political discourse has become these days, tit for tat tweets and blog posts.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2016 01:05 PM (/tuJf)

154 143 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 31, 2016 01:04 PM (voOPb)

All we can do is try to teach our kids that once upon a time there was a place called "America" where the people ruled the government.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 01:05 PM (g8Hfr)

155 Q:Are we not USA?
A:We are Europe.

We are Devo.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 31, 2016 01:05 PM (kFnmp)

156 Nood. International Ugly.

Posted by: johnd01 at March 31, 2016 01:06 PM (ukNFU)

157 153 Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2016 01:05 PM (/tuJf)

Yeah I am waiting for the "my God what have we done" with concerns to the third try at Amigo Grande!

I won't get it, and they won't get one from the Trump fans...

of course that is why we are doomed.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 01:06 PM (g8Hfr)

158 He was fired? Thought he quit to go into rehab.

Rehab? I thought he was on the wagon?

Posted by: Paladin at March 31, 2016 01:07 PM (ycm4Q)

159 Oh absolutely. Hey wait, is that Ace with the vinegar, or Ace with the mustard?
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 31, 2016 01:05 PM (xq1UY)

==========

Just no Ace with catsup bc that is some sort of friggin sin around here. smh

Posted by: Trumpanarchy With a Wang! at March 31, 2016 01:07 PM (iQIUe)

160 I'm on whatever side Kimberly's thighs are on

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 31, 2016 01:07 PM (PNcou)

161 Pizza time

*pulls out pairing knife and shrimp fork

**adjusts monocle

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 31, 2016 01:07 PM (/D5Lf)

162 Who eats pizza with a fork?

Does Jeb do that?

Is that signaling for GOPE?

Posted by: Yo! at March 31, 2016 01:07 PM (GwIKd)

163
Well if he's dumb enough to support raising taxes over pension reform, he's stupider than I thought. Or a Democrat. Lot of overlap there.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 31, 2016 01:05 PM (dFi94

He's a 5th grade democrat.
Your governor didn't endorse me he's stinky poo.
My girlfriend is hotter than your girlfriend.
But he started it.

Fvcking grow up and get back to your real estate office.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 31, 2016 01:07 PM (voOPb)

164 Whoever they pick at the convention

Will not

Get rid of the EPA

Get rid of the DEPT of education

Get rid of HUD

Do anything about abortion

Reduce taxes

Do anything about the border

But they WILL offer blanket amnesty

Enjoy your party

Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2016 01:07 PM (zOTsN)

165 We here are Lieberrys for the Illiterati have six easy online lessons on how to train your autoclue.

-----

You stole that from Sven, right??

Posted by: fixerupper at March 31, 2016 01:07 PM (8XRCm)

166 158 He was fired? Thought he quit to go into rehab.

Rehab? I thought he was on the wagon?

Posted by: Paladin at March 31, 2016 01:07 PM (ycm4Q)

Could have sworn he fell off when he had surgery.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 31, 2016 01:08 PM (/D5Lf)

167 Blindingly obvious is that the working and middle class working people in this country aren't tied to conservative ideals as much as they are in desperate financial straits. Trump, however imperfectly, is relentless in addressing personal economic issues.

Underemployment is a major problem in this country
The number of Americans enrolled in food stamps programs is near a record high.

A "less government more private sector" solution is the best way to go for the future, but right now after 10 years of recession and record numbers of Americans and non-Americans depending on federal assistance, it's not a good "election" message. Trump is searching for the golden mean in attracting working Americans in the center-left to center-right range, that's where the votes are.

Posted by: mrp at March 31, 2016 01:08 PM (JBggj)

168 Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 31, 2016 01:05 PM (/D5Lf)

Dammit, I thought I knew better, but no.......

Posted by: Dirty Randy at March 31, 2016 01:08 PM (jjaLl)

169 You guys do know that --in the real world--I'm considered too extreme?

And I was willing to vote for Perry, Walker,Jindal, Fiorina...

I come here to feel moderate.

You guys need to re-calibrate every once in awhile.

Posted by: Unfettered Power at March 31, 2016 01:09 PM (mcm0N)

170 In the second round, there are two doors left and you can pick either, by keeping your original pick or switching. Either way you've got a 50% chance. Because Monty cheats in the first round, you're odds of winning were always one in two, not one in three.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 31, 2016 12:55 PM (r1fLd)

Incorrect.

There is a one out of three chance you picked the correct door on your guess, and a two out of three chance you picked the wrong door.

If you switch, the door you get has a 2/3 chance of having the prize, because you had a 2/3 chance of getting it wrong on the first guess.

Think of it this way - you can stick with the first door you picked, or you can open the two other doors instead.

Isn't it obvious that two doors is two chances and better than one?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at March 31, 2016 01:09 PM (1D4Ef)

171 The only good news is Donkey Party is also near explosion if you remove their crap ass Media shield.

****

Yeah, I could see the Democrat party fractionating into smaller groups including welfare deadbeats, union activists, racial grievance mongers, Socialists and Republicans.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 31, 2016 01:01 PM (NeFrd)

I keep hoping that as Hillary and the Dem establishment keep outright stealing delegates from Comrade Bernie enough of his Red Guard get pissed off enough to run third party and like a Ralph Nader torpedo Hillary in November. But I have a feeling that Bernie will go quietly after the convention.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 31, 2016 01:09 PM (493sH)

172 Boy, Rush is really hip deep in excuse making for Trump today. Anybody else make those idiotic comments on abortion and Rush would have led the charge to excoriate them.
Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 12:56 PM (/E+t2)

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I'm no Trump supporter, but I agree with him. If Roe vs wade was reversed and abortion was made illegal, then yes, women who get abortions would be breaking the law and should face some form of punishment.

Posted by: Darth Randall at March 31, 2016 01:09 PM (6n332)

173 166 158 He was fired? Thought he quit to go into rehab.

Rehab? I thought he was on the wagon?

Posted by: Paladin at March 31, 2016 01:07 PM (ycm4Q)

Could have sworn he fell off when he had surgery.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 31, 2016 01:08 PM (/D5Lf)

Yep

http://tinyurl.com/q28snu9

Bob Beckel has entered a rehab facility for treatment of an addiction to prescription pain medication,' reads the network's statement on Thursday afternoon. 'His relapse developed over the last several months as he tried to cope with extensive back pain before and after he underwent major back surgery. We hope our viewers and the public will respect Bob's privacy during this difficult time.'

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 31, 2016 01:10 PM (/D5Lf)

174 165 Posted by: fixerupper at March 31, 2016 01:07 PM (8XRCm)

Stroke victim, auto correct, voice recog, or confusing NSA?

You make the call.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 01:10 PM (g8Hfr)

175 Chris Matthews put a huge pile of stinking manure right in front of Trump, and surprise, surprise, Trump stepped right in it with both Gucci's. The Dems got the only soundbite they need for the next 12 months.

Political instinct for Trump = zero.

Posted by: navybrat at March 31, 2016 01:10 PM (8QGte)

176 >>>You guys need to re-calibrate every once in awhile.

Or maybe you should...

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 01:10 PM (/E+t2)

177 You stole that from Sven, right??
Posted by: fixerupper at March 31, 2016 01:07 PM

Who?

Posted by: Lieberrys LLC at March 31, 2016 01:10 PM (Z26Bf)

178 I don't see why. People like Geraghty who have been against Trump since the get go have taken a ton of shit from Trump supporters for being establishment hacks. Not because of whom they support, just because they didn't support Trump.

Not that it is becoming blindingly obvious that they were right you are surprised they are taking a victory lap?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2016 12:57 PM (/tuJf)

You mean like the victory lap I'm taking in pointing out that all of those times I've been told since, oh, say, 1992, that hey the primary voters have spoken, and, pffft, there's no such thing as the Establishment, and, omfg what's wrong with you child, you have to vote for the nominee no matter whom it is Because Democrats were nothing more than mouthnoises being smugged out by those whose position turns out to be nothing but utter posture completely untethered from coherent principle?

You mean like that?

Here's the difference. I'm just some gash who mouths off on the internet. I'm not some putative professional who is supposed to act professionally when reporting on such matters.

Since Geraghty et al have chosen to act like blog commenters, I will regard them as such. Their actions. Their choices. Their consequences.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at March 31, 2016 01:11 PM (mf5HN)

179 In the second round, there are two doors left and you can pick either,
by keeping your original pick or switching. Either way you've got a 50%
chance. Because Monty cheats in the first round, you're odds of
winning were always one in two, not one in three.
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No, we covered this yesterday.

1/3 of the time you picked the correct door and lose when you switch.

2/3 of the time, you picked 'a' wrong door and win when you switch.

There's no 50/50 involved, because Monty 'cheats'. He has no choice if you picked wrong, but he does have choice if you picked correctly.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 31, 2016 01:11 PM (ZbV+0)

180 Boy, Rush is really hip deep in excuse making for Trump today. Anybody else make those idiotic comments on abortion and Rush would have led the charge to excoriate them.
Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 12:56 PM (/E+t2)

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I'm no Trump supporter, but I agree with him. If Roe vs wade was reversed and abortion was made illegal, then yes, women who get abortions would be breaking the law and should face some form of punishment.
Posted by: Darth Randall at March 31, 2016 01:09 PM (6n332)

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Yeah... Trumo could have flipped that around on Prissy Mathews and ranted on about liberals lack of law enforcement and crimes without perpetrators....

... but he stepped in it.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 31, 2016 01:12 PM (8XRCm)

181 >>>I'm no Trump supporter, but I agree with him.

Or he could have saved his breath and just chocked it up to Trump being an idiot.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 01:12 PM (/E+t2)

182 Since Geraghty et al have chosen to act like blog commenters, I will regard them as such. Their actions. Their choices. Their consequences.

This. It's high time these people realize there is a GOPe Media, and they are hip deep in it.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 31, 2016 01:12 PM (kFnmp)

183 Here's the difference. I'm just some gash who mouths off on the internet. I'm not some putative professional who is supposed to act professionally when reporting on such matters.

Since Geraghty et al have chosen to act like blog commenters, I will regard them as such. Their actions. Their choices. Their consequences.

This is why we adore and fear you.

Posted by: Haven Monahan at March 31, 2016 01:13 PM (326rv)

184 "People I used to enjoy who have become unhinged. Kevin Williamson."

Now that was a genuine disappointment. Williamson was an extremely acute writer and analyst for years. Now he's off the rails. What are they dosing the water cooler with over there at National RINO?

Posted by: torquewrench at March 31, 2016 01:13 PM (noWW6)

185 178 Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at March 31, 2016 01:11 PM (mf5HN)

Uproarious applause.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 01:13 PM (g8Hfr)

186 "If Roe vs wade was reversed and abortion was made illegal, then yes, women who get abortions would be breaking the law and should face some form of punishment."

If I were 55 years younger, female, and flexible I could be a ballerina.

The entire point of the exercise was to get Trump to say something stupid and embarrassing, and Trump did not disappoint.

Posted by: navybrat at March 31, 2016 01:13 PM (8QGte)

187 Stroke victim, auto correct, voice recog, or confusing NSA?

You make the call.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 01:10 PM (g8Hfr)

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Yes.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 31, 2016 01:14 PM (8XRCm)

188 I'm no Trump supporter, but I agree with him. If Roe vs wade was reversed and abortion was made illegal, then yes, women who get abortions would be breaking the law and should face some form of punishment.

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A fine way to ensure that abortion will always be legal.

Technically it is the doctor who ends the life of the fetus. One can look at the woman as the scene of the crime.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 31, 2016 01:14 PM (PNcou)

189 Okay, I'm out of the loop here, what exactly did Kevin Williamson do to receive all this scorn?

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 01:14 PM (/E+t2)

190 Women can't be held responsible for their actions, even when those actions are deemed unlawful, because they are women. Special, special women. They have feelings. You might hurt their feelings.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 31, 2016 01:15 PM (dFi94)

191 (slam)

(thump thump thump Thump THump THUmp THUMp THUMP)

I'm here! Sorry I'm late!

*ahem*

So do I light my own hair on fire or someone else's?

https://youtu.be/rYzXhE3vwNk

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 31, 2016 01:15 PM (wB8Tg)

192 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 31, 2016 01:15 PM (wB8Tg)

Lol.

Walter never disappoints.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 01:16 PM (/E+t2)

193 Technically it is the doctor who ends the life of the fetus. One can look at the woman as the scene of the crime.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 31, 2016 01:14 PM (PNcou)

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So.... If I hire a dude to shoot my wife..... Im cool.

Technically, the shooter ends the life. Right??

Posted by: fixerupper at March 31, 2016 01:17 PM (8XRCm)

194 The entire point of the exercise was to get Trump to say something stupid and embarrassing, and Trump did not disappoint.
Posted by: navybrat

Yup and yup.

and 'our' media won't nail the left to the wall.

Neither has bernie.

he could be crucifying Hillary on $250K per speech at colleges and bullshit e-mail servers and claiming credit for flying around. Perfect enemy of the people stuff.

he won't do it. Because he's a failure living in a dying state with a government job. he'll roll over at the convention, opposition will still exist but be blunted.

Tis a pity that there's no indication that Trump will do the same, especially since the knives are already out.

Posted by: Haven Monahan at March 31, 2016 01:17 PM (326rv)

195 43 This is getting silly. There is always a split in the primaries and people being singled out and called all sorts of names based on whom they are supporting.

What's with all he butthurt this cycle?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2016 12:46 PM (/tuJf)

It's a combination of things. You've got the GOPe types that spent a lot of time shitting on Trump and his supporters for the more reasonable of his proposals (general anti-illegal immigration sentiments) and that legitimately hit a nerve. All their scheming doesn't help. On the flip side there is a whole shitstorm of gas lighting going on in the Trump camp (ht to Patterico and the polyamory apologist blog The Federalist for putting their fingers on what it is exactly that's going on with the gas lighting), and his supporters that just go right along with it and insist 2+2 has always equaled 5 because Trump and I'm angry!

I have very, very dear family members that are so far into the Trump thing that I genuinely think they would believe anything he said simply because he says it. They've changed their views on issues they've had long-standing and consistent opinions on, multiple times throughout the current campaign because his pronouncements have changed and they have to match and defend what he says. And when you point it out it quickly turns into shouting and screeching and personal insults.

This crap is flat out insane and I don't want any part of it. And the thing that makes me fume at the moment is that I want to be able to express my sheer anger and frustration at the abortion flailing from him yesterday because he WILL be hung around the neck of pro-lifers and he has now set us way the hell back when we've spent decades making very hard won gains. And yet if I mention it in the vicinity of the Trump supporters I know personally I'm going to get shouted down with more gas lighting and screeching about this or that conspiracy to take Trump down, etc and so on.

So, so very frustrating. And the longer I'm expected to just hold my tongue so as not to besmirch Trump's sacred honor in the presence of his people (the ones I know) the more and more I steam and it's likely to boil over and go thermo-nuclear. I'm guessing there's a lot of that going around and it's contributing greatly to the butt hurt.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at March 31, 2016 01:17 PM (KkVB6)

196 189 Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 01:14 PM (/E+t2)

other than wishing death on the coal belt?

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 01:18 PM (g8Hfr)

197 Forget waterboarding, have one of Janet Yellen's speeches played on a continuous loop

Posted by: ed gibbon at March 31, 2016 01:18 PM (vRNwc)

198 Where do we agree:

Propostition: We all hate the uniparty. Where we disagree is on how to destroy it.

Anyone disagree?

Posted by: MTF at March 31, 2016 01:20 PM (/m8T6)

199 What's with all he butthurt this cycle?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 31, 2016 12:46 PM (/tuJf)

*********

Oh it's beginning to sink in that while they were drinking haterade and rooting for Trump to destroy the GOP he hulk smashed them too--in the process.

Posted by: Unfettered Power at March 31, 2016 01:20 PM (mcm0N)

200 What's this Monty Hall thing ? The question is the odds of winning, right ? Tell me EXACTLY how Monty shows this "other" door, please.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 31, 2016 01:20 PM (W+w2W)

201 I'm guessing there's a lot of that going around and it's contributing greatly to the butt hurt.
Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at March 31, 2016 01:17 PM (KkVB6)

Well said. You speak for A LOT of people.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 01:20 PM (/E+t2)

202 Are you suggesting the Republican Party is NOT more fractured than ever before?

Because, it is.
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Yes it is.

I mean the way people, early on, went from "Your candidate criticized my candidate" to "You and your candidate are Satan" at the drop of a hat, when the former is what political campaigns have been for quite some time. The latter of course demonstrates your point.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 31, 2016 01:20 PM (ZbV+0)

203 So.... If I hire a dude to shoot my wife..... Im cool.

Technically, the shooter ends the life. Right??
Posted by: fixerupper at March 31, 2016 01:17 PM (8XRCm)

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O, i agree that it's wildly inconsistent. But politically it is infinitely more plausible to convict 600 abortionists than 800,000 girls.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 31, 2016 01:20 PM (PNcou)

204 I'm no Trump supporter, but I agree with him. If Roe vs wade was reversed and abortion was made illegal, then yes, women who get abortions would be breaking the law and should face some form of punishment.
Posted by: Darth Randall at March 31, 2016 01:09 PM (6n332)

Right, and Rush's point was that these are bullshit 'gotcha' questions about non-issues manufactured by Democratic operatives in the MSM like Chris Matthews and George Stefanopoulis with the express purpose of attacking and destroying Republicans.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 31, 2016 01:20 PM (wZfYc)

205 90% of my problem with the modern GOP is simply on immigration. both legal and illegal.

The other things we are "betrayed" on just don't really bother me and I honestly think many conservatives have delusional tactics like shutting down the government over every issue, etc.

Posted by: Swingline at March 31, 2016 01:21 PM (e6bkB)

206 >>>other than wishing death on the coal belt?

He said something bad about the coal industry?

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 01:21 PM (/E+t2)

207 Well, after the abortion comment I no longer believe Trump can win the general election. I know he has always had bad negative numbers with women, but I see no coming back from this.

I have never believed that Cruz had a chance in hell in the general, and in fact, the more I learn about him the less I like him.

Kasich? Romney? Ryan? Don't make me laugh.

There is an increasing probability that I will be writing in my cat's name. Kira 2016! She was born in the U.S. and is older than 35 in human years.

Posted by: rickl at March 31, 2016 01:22 PM (zoehZ)

208 So.... If I hire a dude to shoot my wife..... Im cool.

Technically, the shooter ends the life. Right??
Posted by: fixerupper at March 31, 2016 01:17 PM (8XRCm)

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O, i agree that it's wildly inconsistent. But politically it is infinitely more plausible to convict 600 abortionists than 800,000 girls.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 31, 2016 01:20 PM (PNcou)

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On that we concur.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 31, 2016 01:22 PM (8XRCm)

209 If abortion is made illegal on the grounds it's murder, the woman asking for it is an accessory to murder. Not advocating, just saying

Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2016 01:22 PM (zOTsN)

210 So, so very frustrating. And the longer I'm expected to just hold my tongue so as not to besmirch Trump's sacred honor in the presence of his people (the ones I know) the more and more I steam and it's likely to boil over and go thermo-nuclear. I'm guessing there's a lot of that going around and it's contributing greatly to the butt hurt.
Posted by: Mandy P

I think it's worse than that.

The GOP had a veritable clown car of candidates. The fact that this media loving blowhard could gain any traction speaks volumes about how shitty our party has become.

Add to that the crapping on Trump and the half-assed belated support of Cruz and the GOP pretending that their rules are "more what ye might be callin' guidelines", and you have a perfect storm of stupidity.

And a guy who supposedly is a genius getting junk punched by a question that EVERY GOP candidate should have locked on 24/7.

Posted by: Haven Monahan at March 31, 2016 01:22 PM (326rv)

211 100
Boy, Rush is really hip deep in excuse making for Trump today. Anybody
else make those idiotic comments on abortion and Rush would have led the
charge to excoriate them.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 12:56 PM

- - - - - - - - -

He's been at that for a while. I tune in every day for just a couple of minutes to see if he's changed his tune---nope! I probably won't even bother to check anymore. Same with Hannity. Kinda sad, but it is what it is.

Posted by: TehDonald at March 31, 2016 01:23 PM (E6RIJ)

212 But trump was dumb as dirt not to reject the premise

Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2016 01:23 PM (zOTsN)

213 "Okay, I'm out of the loop here, what exactly did Kevin Williamson do to receive all this scorn?"

Several things. There was one in particular which seems to have burned a lot of bridges.

That was a piece KW wrote in which he opined that the hard beset native-born white working class of America are just whiny losers who should shut up and go away, instead of vocalizing their displeasure about the numberless shit sandwiches they have been served up during the last half-century.

And heaven forfend that they VOTE in ways which express said displeasure.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 31, 2016 01:23 PM (noWW6)

214 A fine way to ensure that abortion will always be legal.

Technically it is the doctor who ends the life of the fetus. One can look at the woman as the scene of the crime.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 31, 2016 01:14 PM (PNcou)

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So if a woman hires a hit man to kill her husband, he does and is caught and rats her out, she's not guilty of anything and only the hit man is? I think not.

Posted by: Darth Randall at March 31, 2016 01:23 PM (6n332)

215 >>>like Chris Matthews and George Stefanopoulis with the express purpose of attacking and destroying Republicans.

So much for the 'Trump turns it around on the media' meme.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 01:23 PM (/E+t2)

216 Walter never disappoints.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 01:16 PM (/E+t2)

By necessity, our new mascot.

P.S. Williamson, according to people who can't read, wanted to murder rural whites. What he actually said was that when the jobs leave, you gotta go find new ones.

His real crime is being boring, obvious and dull, but for some reason *that* doesn't offend people.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 31, 2016 01:23 PM (wB8Tg)

217 This is going in The Barrel to await the next moron. Have fun with it...

http://tinyurl.com/j5j6wko

I'm Not Male. I'm Not Female. Please Don't Ask Me About My Junk.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 31, 2016 01:23 PM (/D5Lf)

218 206 Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 01:21 PM (/E+t2)

and by extension the old Textile Belt etc etc...

Kevin "Die Whitey" Williamson acts like regions whose entire livelihood is destroyed by the EPA's religious war on their trades whould just go intern at a Starbuck's...

why are we going to go full communard?

NRO style GOPers baby.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 01:23 PM (g8Hfr)

219 So the mask is off now on abortion, right? It's now the GOP position that no woman should ever face any consequence for seeking any abortion?

I was never particularly invested in abortion as an issue but that's quite the about face.

Posted by: Jake (irregular) at March 31, 2016 01:24 PM (i0egn)

220 Thanks torquewrench. One minute I'm enjoying him on a podcast and the next time I see his name and it's not good.

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 01:25 PM (/E+t2)

221 If abortion is made illegal on the grounds it's murder, the woman asking for it is an accessory to murder. Not advocating, just saying
Posted by: ThunderB
_________

It's funny because if abortion is murder, of course you would punish the woman for getting one.

It's like saying the person that hires a hitman has no legal responsibility.

It was stupid for Trump to say, but the entire pro-life ideology is not very well thought out from a legal perspective. People just throw the term around and talk about killing babies, but how would a pro-life society actually work?

You would have to throw all parties in prison for at least some duration. At the very least, it would have to be about the same penalty as drug traficking.

Posted by: Swingline at March 31, 2016 01:25 PM (e6bkB)

222 189 Okay, I'm out of the loop here, what exactly did Kevin Williamson do to receive all this scorn?
Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 01:14 PM (/E+t2)

Nutshell? Wrote a long piece which basically said that white, blue collar culture and communities that haven't been able to adapt to the new culture of cheap, foreign labor pushing everyone else into the service industry deserve to die.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at March 31, 2016 01:26 PM (KkVB6)

223 So the mask is off now on abortion, right? It's now the GOP position that no woman should ever face any consequence for seeking any abortion?

I was never particularly invested in abortion as an issue but that's quite the about face.
Posted by: Jake (irregular)

Rand Paul: "I'll answer this question after you get Hillary Clinton to answer about aborting a child at nine months."

That and that only was what should have been done.

Posted by: Haven Monahan at March 31, 2016 01:26 PM (326rv)

224 Are you suggesting the Republican Party is NOT more fractured than ever before?

Because, it is.
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Yes it is.

I
mean the way people, early on, went from "Your candidate criticized my
candidate" to "You and your candidate are Satan" at the drop of a hat,
when the former is what political campaigns have been for quite some
time. The latter of course demonstrates your point.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at March 31, 2016 01:20 PM (ZbV+0)

Oh, that's definitely true. The go-to example is Jackson and his "whore" wife, who was a bigamist. And the various spare babies rumored (and true) of others... yeah, this year did not see the invention of wallowing in the slop.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 31, 2016 01:26 PM (TOk1P)

225 Iirc Williamson said small towns deserved to die

Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2016 01:26 PM (zOTsN)

226 Darnit, I have like *no* time.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 31, 2016 01:27 PM (wB8Tg)

227 America has so much to fix, after Progressivism and Obama, that we all need to stand in line. Abortion needs to stand in line, especially, because it is so extraordinarily divisive. Trump is an ass for promising to punish women who get abortions, because he is promising to criminalize a highly nuanced atom-bomb issue about which we all have shades of gray political differences. It takes the entire election off track, regardless of right or wrong.

Posted by: MTF at March 31, 2016 01:27 PM (/m8T6)

228 Registering a 0 out of 10 on my give-a-fuck meter what tension exists at Fox News.

Posted by: Timo at March 31, 2016 01:27 PM (hy43O)

229 "The GOP had a veritable clown car of candidates."

I lost count. Besides Trump there were eleven? Twelve? Some ridiculous figure.

All that it would have taken would have been for just _one_ of the non-Trump candidates to nerve themselves, and grasp the nettle, and speak out with sternly worded statements against illegal immigration.

None of the 11, 12, or however many it was could muster up the spine. Only the short-fingered vulgarian had the bottle to speak up. Now that is just beyond pathetic.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 31, 2016 01:27 PM (noWW6)

230 Hey, if someone is anti-Trump, that's okay, it's America (pretty much) in the time of the Internets.

I see Cruz in a different light than a lot of people. I don't think he's as conservative as people think he is. He's more like a re-packaged GWBush. A lot of voters like that. Good for them.

Trump is a centrist leading a political revolt founded in the American working and middle classes. This revolt is upsetting to the political donor class, who like their current rice bowls just fine, because they've got friends in high places. And if they need weapons of mass Trump destruction, they'll finance the mouthpieces who will get things done.

Plenty of precedent for all of that in American history.

Posted by: mrp at March 31, 2016 01:27 PM (JBggj)

231
O, i agree that it's wildly inconsistent. But politically it is infinitely more plausible to convict 600 abortionists than 800,000 girls.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 31, 2016 01:20 PM (PNcou)

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On that we concur.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 31, 2016 01:22 PM (8XRCm)

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So a candidate should be able to say his position is no exceptions for rape/incest. But that it'd be pointless for him to try to have those turned into law as the country isn't willing to do so.

So those beliefs are irrelevant in deciding to vote for him or not.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 31, 2016 01:27 PM (PNcou)

232 dang my slow typing on my tablet.

Posted by: Darth Randall at March 31, 2016 01:28 PM (6n332)

233 222 Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at March 31, 2016 01:26 PM (KkVB6)

Yup because the demands of my relatives back home that the GOP fight regulatory fiat, hurt businesses who flee from saidsame, and enforce borders are "beyond the pale and not who we are"....

and Kev since I know you lurk here at times...

Who precisely the fuck are you then if not a democrat?

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 01:28 PM (g8Hfr)

234 I heard a woman speak last night about an abortion she had when she was college age. She didn't give it much thought - just wasn't a good time for her to be pregnant. So - abortion. Developed a high fever a few days later and went to the ER. Doctor said that her abortion had been incomplete, and "there are still some baby parts inside", Had to do a second abortion. She said she had nightmares for months. Baby parts.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 31, 2016 01:28 PM (dFi94)

235 So the mask is off now on abortion, right? It's now the GOP position that no woman should ever face any consequence for seeking any abortion?

I was never particularly invested in abortion as an issue but that's quite the about face.
Posted by: Jake

It was always a farce, and now the pro-life community sounds like Planned Parenthood at Trump saying there should be a legal penalty for a woman getting an illegal abortion.

This issue needs to be dropped if we're talking about "fining" abortion doctors with the equivalent of a speeding ticket.

Posted by: Swingline at March 31, 2016 01:28 PM (e6bkB)

236 The MFM want Trump desperately, partly because ratings and money, partly because they know they can beat him like a rented mule.

It's like the best primary ever for the MFM.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 31, 2016 01:29 PM (wB8Tg)

237 225 Iirc Williamson said small towns deserved to die

Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2016 01:26 PM (zOTsN
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No he didn't. Come on.

We are getting side-tracked again. Look, there is an open convention coming up, and anyone could be nominated. Who do we want (that didn't run in this miserable cycle!)? I'm open to suggestions.

Posted by: MTF at March 31, 2016 01:30 PM (/m8T6)

238 I am not arguing pro or con or optics

But legally if abortion is murder, the mother seeking it is an accessory to murder

Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2016 01:30 PM (zOTsN)

239 And that Rand Paul dodge satisfies pro lifers? Shit, the dems do more for a couple thousand transsexuals than the reps do for tens of millions of pro lifers.

Posted by: Jake (irregular) at March 31, 2016 01:30 PM (i0egn)

240 It was stupid for Trump to say, but the entire pro-life ideology is not very well thought out from a legal perspective. People just throw the term around and talk about killing babies, but how would a pro-life society actually work?

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how did things work back in the day before RvW?

guessing they weren't putting 15 year old girls away for 20 years.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 31, 2016 01:31 PM (PNcou)

241 "Rush's point was that these are bullshit 'gotcha' questions about non-issues manufactured by Democratic operatives in the MSM like Chris Matthews and George Stefanopoulis with the express purpose of attacking and destroying Republicans."

Roe ain't going away. You'd need a Constitutional amendment or a radical change in who's on SCOTUS. Not gonna happen.

So "Pro-life / Pro-choice" in Presidential politicking is just virtue signaling. Trump shouldn't have slid down the slippery slope with Chris Matthews. It was a bad mistake, and I'm a Trumpbot.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 31, 2016 01:32 PM (r1fLd)

242 So, so very frustrating. And the longer I'm expected to just hold my tongue so as not to besmirch Trump's sacred honor in the presence of his people (the ones I know) the more and more I steam and it's likely to boil over and go thermo-nuclear. I'm guessing there's a lot of that going around and it's contributing greatly to the butt hurt.
Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at March 31, 2016 01:17 PM (KkVB6)

People (yes, I will reluctantly acknowledge that I am a people for this purpose), need to stop identifying with a candidate and taking attacks on the candidate as attacks on them personally. Conversely, those attacking a candidate need to stop attacking personally those who support that candidate.

I've decided that the best word to describe this primary season is creepy.

It's creepy that so many people have chosen to identify personally with a candidate.

It's creepy that so many people have chosen to attack personally the people who oppose their candidate.

It's creepy that so many of those whom I had heretofore believed to be actual professionals have dropped the mask and revealed themselves to be exactly the condescending, sneering snobs the Left always stated they were.

It's creepy that disagreements as to positions or policies are now called lies.

Then there's John Kasich.

*micdrop*

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at March 31, 2016 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

243 20 years ago you could argue that a 15 year old would be unable to consent to an abortion, being a minor

Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2016 01:32 PM (zOTsN)

244 the entire pro-life ideology is not very well thought out from a legal perspective. People just throw the term around and talk about killing babies, but how would a pro-life society actually work?

You would have to throw all parties in prison for at least some duration. At the very least, it would have to be about the same penalty as drug traficking.
Posted by: Swingline

No, not really. the pro-life position IS well thought out, under the premise that was exists in the womb IS a human life. Therefore, the franchise applies.

This entire thing has been complicated by contracts involving surrogate mothering and adoption of child not yet born.

SOMETHING is the subject of these contracts. Property? Life? Kinda sorta life?

However, we've already devolved to the stage where any attempt to stem the carnage results in adversely affecting a constituency; which was intended all along.

Witness the Dance of Bullshit when Saint Kermit was busted; by a DEA task force investigating him for running a pill mill. Not a filthy butcher shop where women died.

It's the new "peculiar institution". To condemn it is to condemn everyone who was associated with that system. Tat system didn't go without a fight.

Posted by: Haven Monahan at March 31, 2016 01:33 PM (326rv)

245 BRAVO ATC

Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2016 01:33 PM (zOTsN)

246 237 Posted by: MTF at March 31, 2016 01:30 PM (/m8T6)

Uh yes he did on the edge of literally....

"fuck the 17.50 an hour coal mining job our limp-wristedness allowed Obama to kill...go be a barista"

//K D Williamson

A mean paraphrase?

certainly but it IS what he implied.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 01:34 PM (g8Hfr)

247 how did things work back in the day before RvW?

guessing they weren't putting 15 year old girls away for 20 years.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90

I'm for states deciding abortion laws, over turning Roe vs Wade.

But people went to prison for engaging in the practice.

And what we hear CONSTANTLY is abortion is murder, so doesn't it make sense that all parties involved should have penalties at least the equivaltent of say a drug deal?

Posted by: Swingline at March 31, 2016 01:34 PM (e6bkB)

248 >>>Then there's John Kasich.

*micdrop*

Oh Alex, you're what the Spaniards call El Terrible!

Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 01:34 PM (/E+t2)

249 238 I am not arguing pro or con or optics

But legally if abortion is murder, the mother seeking it is an accessory to murder

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how about everyone gets a mulligan. You have one abortion, we let it slide. You get three and we notice. But the docs do three before lunchtime...

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 31, 2016 01:35 PM (PNcou)

250 237 Posted by: MTF at March 31, 2016 01:30 PM (/m8T6)

Nikki Haley or Susan Martinez...

I have said this for the last two years.

The GOP is literally so stupid its implosion is best categorized as a T-4 mercy killing.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 01:35 PM (g8Hfr)

251 So "Pro-life / Pro-choice" in Presidential politicking is just virtue
signaling. Trump shouldn't have slid down the slippery slope with Chris
Matthews. It was a bad mistake, and I'm a Trumpbot.
================

The MSM is working its SoCon trap thing. The interviewers prefer to enmesh Republican candidates in social issues while avoiding economic and national security topics. By the way, did you know that Hillary is all about women's rights?

Posted by: mrp at March 31, 2016 01:35 PM (JBggj)

252
No, not really. the pro-life position IS well thought out, under the premise that was exists in the womb IS a human life. Therefore, the franchise applies.

Posted by: Haven Monahan

Okay, so 1st degree murder charges for the doctor and accessory for murder for the mother?

Why does the murderer for hire get off scot free?

Posted by: Swingline at March 31, 2016 01:36 PM (e6bkB)

253 "All that it would have taken would have been for just _one_ of the non-Trump candidates to nerve themselves, and grasp the nettle, and speak out with sternly worded statements against illegal immigration."

Trump could take the gamble because he hadn't made a huge personal investment in being a politician. And he didn't have consultants worried that taking such a gamble would prematurely end their high-paying gigs.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 31, 2016 01:36 PM (r1fLd)

254 234 I heard a woman speak last night about an abortion she had when she was college age. She didn't give it much thought - just wasn't a good time for her to be pregnant. So - abortion. Developed a high fever a few days later and went to the ER. Doctor said that her abortion had been incomplete, and "there are still some baby parts inside", Had to do a second abortion. She said she had nightmares for months. Baby parts.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 31, 2016 01:28 PM (dFi94)

How horrific.

And this is one of many examples as to why the pro-life overestimated has never pushed for women to be legally punished for having abortions. Women have long been considered victims of it, as well. Lots of women are pressured into it, culturally, by a boyfriend or relative, some are actually forced into it. In all honesty, I doubt that the majority of women who have had them have done so in what most of us would consider their right mind or because of some cold-blooded calculation.

My personal belief is that there is moral culpability for having an abortion, but that can be mitigated by other factors. And it's not the same mentality as the "doctor" who performs them. On the one hand you have someone who is very likely emotionally distraught, confused, possibly very young and impressionable, and potentially not really acting under her own power. On the other you have an adult who is systematically killing, dismembering, and removing children from the wombs of multiple women, day after day. It's a different level of culpability and, frankly, evil.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at March 31, 2016 01:37 PM (KkVB6)

255 198
Where do we agree:

Propostition: We all hate the uniparty. Where we disagree is on how to destroy it.

Anyone disagree?

Posted by: MTF at March 31, 2016 01:20 PM

- - - - - - - -

I agree. And indeed the problem lies in where we all disagree: how to destroy it (uniparty.) I understand Trump supporters' desire to destroy the GOP, but I cannot understand why they are willing to destroy the country in the process.

For so many years--decades!--conservatives have longed for the chance to vote for a true constitutional conservative or a Reagan, whatever. Well, we've finally gotten one in Cruz, but they are still so determined to teach the GOP a lesson that they are willing to cut off their noses to spite their faces so to speak, country be damned!

Yes, Cruz has flaws. So did Reagan. And so did Lincoln. There's no such thing as perfection in any candidate and never will be. I just wish the Trump people would reconsider...

Posted by: Giveitup at March 31, 2016 01:37 PM (E6RIJ)

256 Maybe O'Donnell cast a spell on the 5 after the way Gutfeld bad mouthed her.

Posted by: scorecard at March 31, 2016 01:37 PM (1uTkE)

257 Breaking! Water is wet.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at March 31, 2016 01:38 PM (i6shs)

258 No he didn't. Come on.

We are getting side-tracked again. Look, there is an open convention coming up, and anyone could be nominated. Who do we want (that didn't run in this miserable cycle!)? I'm open to suggestions.
Posted by: MTF at March 31, 2016 01:30 PM (/m8T6)

You are flatly wrong. Deserve to die is a word for word quote from an article that Williamson wrote.

"The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible."

Emphasis mine.

Here's the link. http://bit.ly/1plYybQ

Williamson wrote that. You might not care that he did, but those were the very words he used.

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at March 31, 2016 01:38 PM (mf5HN)

259 So "Pro-life / Pro-choice" in Presidential politicking is just virtue
signaling. Trump shouldn't have slid down the slippery slope with Chris
Matthews. It was a bad mistake, and I'm a Trumpbot.

____________

Yep, Trump should just say it's more of a morality call and he's pro-life and against abortion and left it at that.

All his supporters already know he's no SoCon.

Posted by: Swingline at March 31, 2016 01:38 PM (e6bkB)

260 "Look, there is an open convention coming up, and anyone could be
nominated. Who do we want (that didn't run in this miserable cycle!)?
I'm open to suggestions."

At this point I'd loudly applaud the nomination of Suck, The Wonder Bat.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 31, 2016 01:38 PM (noWW6)

261 I recently stumbled upon a group of Obama goons calling Trump supporters cultists, and I about blew my gasket.

Obama supporters deriding ANYONE as cultists?

Are you fucking kidding me!?!

They have zero self-awareness.

Posted by: Kensington at March 31, 2016 01:39 PM (7Kbxu)

262 We really need to show that we are better than Fox/Gutfeld and take it to the next level:

crossbows/longbows
Trebouchet/cannon
Mustard/Sarin

Posted by: Trumpanarchy With a Wang! at March 31, 2016 01:39 PM (iQIUe)

263 Why the States Did Not Prosecute Women for Abortion Before Roe v. Wade

http://tinyurl.com/hfgfofn

The political claim-that women were or will be prosecuted or jailed under abortion laws-has been made so frequently by Planned Parenthood, NARAL, and NOW over the past 40 years that it has become an urban legend. It shows the astonishing power of contemporary media to make a complete falsehood into a truism.

And Trump handed them more ammo.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 31, 2016 01:39 PM (/D5Lf)

264 A murder mulligan?

I don't think that would hold

Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2016 01:40 PM (zOTsN)

265 258 Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at March 31, 2016 01:38 PM (mf5HN)

If I recall one of the few times you and I were in total agreement majesty.

His apologists claimed "I can't get to the story."

So I dug deep to link it.

They then said "he is right!."

Well indeed NRO types he may well be, but here's the thing if you as a party tell ~1/3 or so of your coalition to go fuck themselves they may get around to wondering why they need to be in a party to do so.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 01:40 PM (g8Hfr)

266 Women have long been considered victims of it, as well. Lots of women are pressured into it, culturally, by a boyfriend or relative, some are actually forced into it. In all honesty, I doubt that the majority of women who have had them have done so in what most of us would consider their right mind or because of some cold-blooded calculation.
_________________

That sounds like some bleeding heart nonsense to me.

A woman having an abortion done is just as guilty of abortion as a doctor that performs it.

It's almost like saying if someone gets drunk at a bar and kills someone in their car, the bartender is solely responsible.

Posted by: Swingline at March 31, 2016 01:40 PM (e6bkB)

267 Nood by the by

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at March 31, 2016 01:40 PM (mf5HN)

268 Mustard/Sarin

Posted by: Trumpanarchy With a Wang! at March 31, 2016 01:39 PM (iQIUe)

Who the hell puts Sarin on a hot dog?!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 31, 2016 01:40 PM (/D5Lf)

269 Who the hell puts Sarin on a hot dog?!
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 31, 2016 01:40 PM (/D5Lf)

People in Chicago. OBVIOUSLY.

*flees to new thread*

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at March 31, 2016 01:41 PM (mf5HN)

270 260 "Look, there is an open convention coming up, and anyone could be
nominated. Who do we want (that didn't run in this miserable cycle!)?
I'm open to suggestions."

At this point I'd loudly applaud the nomination of Suck, The Wonder Bat.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 31, 2016 01:38 PM (noWW6)

There is a whole website devoted to promoting Cthulhu 2016. Their campaign motto is, "Why choose the lesser evil?"

I'm seriously considering writing in for the cosmic tentacle monster.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at March 31, 2016 01:43 PM (KkVB6)

271 ...I just wish the Trump people would reconsider...

Reconsider what?

Giving the finger to GOPe?

I wish more people would stick to their beliefs and quit trying to outwit the Devil.

Like Cruz? Vote for him.
Like Trump? Vote for him.
Like Kasich? (shudder) Vote for him.

Secret ballot was invented for a reason.

Posted by: scorecard at March 31, 2016 01:44 PM (rnH8X)

272 Usually the punishment for the accessory to the crime is the same as the underlying crime

Charles Manson never touched a soul, but he was convicted of murder for ordering it

Posted by: ThunderB at March 31, 2016 01:44 PM (zOTsN)

273 Henninger's piece in today's WSJ nails it, and is titled "Obama's Greatest Victory."

It's the death of the GOP and the repudiation of all that Reagan achieved.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at March 31, 2016 01:47 PM (G1Gd9)

274 Reconsider what?

Posted by: scorecard at March 31, 2016 01:44 PM
- - - - - - -

Had you read my entire comment, you would know.

Posted by: Giveitup at March 31, 2016 01:47 PM (E6RIJ)

275 ...open convention coming up...

I think Trump can win against Hillary and whoever the GOPe picks.

Bet they arrest him if he tries though. Trumped up charges.

Posted by: scorecard at March 31, 2016 01:47 PM (rnH8X)

276 That sounds like some bleeding heart nonsense to me.

A woman having an abortion done is just as guilty of abortion as a doctor that performs it.

It's almost like saying if someone gets drunk at a bar and kills someone in their car, the bartender is solely responsible.
Posted by: Swingline at March 31, 2016 01:40 PM (e6bkB)

---

Don't really care if they get charged or not. Just care that it becomes illegal. Not going to let my moral purity stand in the way of the good goal.

Since the public will not go along with it, not about to waste time fighting for it. I want to win the winnable fight.

They'll still have God to deal with.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 31, 2016 01:50 PM (PNcou)

277 218 206 Posted by: Arson Wells at March 31, 2016 01:21 PM (/E+t2)

and by extension the old Textile Belt etc etc...

Kevin "Die Whitey" Williamson acts like regions whose entire livelihood is destroyed by the EPA's religious war on their trades whould just go intern at a Starbuck's...

why are we going to go full communard?

NRO style GOPers baby.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 01:23 PM

As the descendant of Oakies, I find the idea that so many find what he wrote abhorrent to be a fatal indicator of what lies ahead for the country.

Where does the Constitution state that citizens are guaranteed the right to live where they wish working the jobs they wish for the pay they wish? I must have missed that clause. Instead we have a bunch of should-be ghost towns kept on life support by federal safety hammocks (looking at you, Flint). Don't get me wrong, I am all for a drastic reduction and merit-based overhaul of our immigration system and am a full-throated opponent of TPP. But when did being an American come to mean that one should sit on one's ass, collect disability, and bitch about the gubmint as if owed by dint of residence the lifestyle to which one has become accustomed?

Posted by: KillianThyme at March 31, 2016 01:52 PM (n2r4H)

278 Reconsider what?
That Trump is a bad candidate?
That he will continue letting all the awful public policies continue just like W did?
That they should vote for someone who would be no better than W, McCain and Romney?
Lets hear Cruz say he would do all the things W promised but didn't come close to delivering on.
Cruz is a lawyer. That means he can lie in an artful way. Tell the truth, but not the whole truth, and not nothing but the truth. Trump is telling lies but they are as believable as everything we have heard from R's since Reagan.

Posted by: scorecard at March 31, 2016 01:55 PM (rnH8X)

279 277 Posted by: KillianThyme at March 31, 2016 01:52 PM (n2r4H)

The issue was K D Williamson pretending Americans do not have the right to demand fealty to the rule of law on immigration.

I am an Ohioan...my callsign is "Lost Ohioan" my wife took it to Iraq and 'ghani.

Intellectually and morally I am in agreement with NRO provided I am a member of a party that can point at their attack on the EPA regulatory fiat game and has engaged in loud vociferous defense of the working class against civil servant predation.

I can't find that party.

I am a far way from home because I live what Williamson gets his snuff film jollies off on.

He may want to live in a Post-Constitutional banana Republic, I don't.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 01:56 PM (g8Hfr)

280 The shame of all of this is that we actually had some really good candidates running this time and an actual Debate about the future of the Party could have taken place. Instead, Trump sucked up all the Oxygen because of all the Networks being ratings hungry, and all the good candidates dropped out, one by one. I would have loved to see an actual Debate between Cruz, Rubio, Paul, and Jindal over the future of the Party. Instead we got this Billionaire Buffoon getting all the media attention and showing no knowledge of the issues, but instead, calling people names the whole time. Pathetic. He'll never get my vote.

Posted by: rexbatt at March 31, 2016 01:57 PM (woA40)

281 Anyone who doesn't masturbate to Andrea tantaros from time to time isn't a real man.

Posted by: fudge at March 31, 2016 01:58 PM (ahhNZ)

282 ...It's the death of the GOP and the repudiation of all that Reagan achieved...

The US has lost most of what George Washington achieved. 2nd amendment is all that is holding GOPe and Dems back.

Posted by: scorecard at March 31, 2016 01:58 PM (rnH8X)

283 Only a Donald Trump / Ron Paul ticket can save America

Posted by: fudge at March 31, 2016 02:02 PM (ahhNZ)

284 We did get a debate between Cruz, Rubio, Paul, and Jindal over the future of the party....as we have for the last 30 years.

What does it accomplish? They are all politicians who talk like politicians and will do what pols do once they get in office.

Trump stole the oxygen simply because he is not a politician.

Posted by: Pam at March 31, 2016 02:10 PM (cF0hS)

285 258 You are flatly wrong. Deserve to die is a word for word quote from an article that Williamson wrote.

by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at March 31, 2016 01:38 PM (mf5HN)

Williamson has a special hate for conservatives who live off government handouts. Are you sure he wasn't in part focusing on those people?

Dougherty invites us to think about Mike, an imaginary member of the white working class who is getting by on Social Security disability fraud in unfashionable Garbutt, N.Y.

He also talks endlessly about the unstoppable economic force of innovation: making more but employing fewer people. The marginal workers who lose their jobs in every economic change always only have two ugly choices: learn something new or rely on charity (of the government sort in our world). These are unstoppable forces, and a bad byproduct of a good thing (innovation). He says these communities "deserve to die" because they will die if good things are happening in the economy as a whole. This is only a rhetorical restatement of a principle of classical economics.

Trump "loves low education people", those self-dame marginal workers who are always getting squeezed out of jobs, and are perhaps mistaking Williamsons criticism as a class criticism, when it's really just economic fact?

Williamson hates Trump, and he's pointing out in this article that some Trump supporters are being totally taken advantage of, in that nothing anyone can do will save their livelihoods because the brutal march of economics dictates the uneducated marginal workers take it in the butt. Williamson doesn't hate small town America, he's trying to be honest-- a quality of talk he thinks his readership can handle and of which he believes America needs to hear more.

Posted by: MTF at March 31, 2016 02:15 PM (/m8T6)

286 What's this Monty Hall thing ? The question is the
odds of winning, right ? Tell me EXACTLY how Monty shows this "other"
door, please.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 31, 2016 01:20 PM (W+w2W)
On the actual show, there wasn't any consistency in whether Monty Hall opened another door and allowed the contestant to switch, or even whether there was a prize behind any door.

In the Monty Hall problem, a contestant chooses from three identical doors, behind one of which is a prize and behind two of which are nothing (or goats). After the contestant chooses a door (but before opening it), Monty Hall opens one of the other two doors, revealing that nothing is behind that door, and then offers to allow the contestant to switch to the other closed door. The question is whether the contestant should switch.

The answer is that switching to the other closed door gives the contestant a two-thirds chance of winning the prize, whereas if they stick with their original choice they have only a one-third chance of winning the prize. Regardless of which door the contestant chooses, there is always another door for Monty to open with nothing behind it. Two-thirds of the time, the contestant has chosen a door with nothing behind it, Monty opens the only other door with nothing behind it, and if the contestant chooses to switch doors then the contestant will win the prize. One-third of the time, the contestant has chosen the correct door with the prize, Monty opens one of the other two doors (doesn't matter which), and if the contestant chooses to switch then the contestant does not win the prize.

Effectively, being offered the opportunity to switch doors is the same as being offered the opportunity to select both of the doors not initially chosen. Monty will always open a door with nothing behind it, meaning that if one of those two doors not initially selected has the prize behind it, it is now the one being offered to the contestant in a switch. The contestant has a one-third chance of having randomly selected the correct door, and this probability is unaffected by Monty opening another door with nothing behind it, meaning there is a two-thirds chance of the prize being behind the remaining closed door.

Posted by: My Ridiculously Circuitous Plan at March 31, 2016 02:17 PM (FohCt)

287 100 Boy, Rush is really hip deep in excuse making for Trump today. Anybody else make those idiotic comments on abortion and Rush would have led the charge to excoriate them.

Rush was actually insulting Trump, albeit with substantial subtlety, saying that Trump doesn't know anything about conservative viewpoints or values so he had to parrot what liberals believe conservatives think. Thus saying that Trump has no positions or values of his own, he's just saying whatever he thinks people want to hear.

Posted by: Kevin DuBrow at March 31, 2016 02:18 PM (bMcUX)

288 279 277 Posted by: KillianThyme at March 31, 2016 01:52 PM (n2r4H)

The issue was K D Williamson pretending Americans do not have the right to demand fealty to the rule of law on immigration.

I am an Ohioan...my callsign is "Lost Ohioan" my wife took it to Iraq and 'ghani.

Intellectually and morally I am in agreement with NRO provided I am a member of a party that can point at their attack on the EPA regulatory fiat game and has engaged in loud vociferous defense of the working class against civil servant predation.

I can't find that party.

I am a far way from home because I live what Williamson gets his snuff film jollies off on.

He may want to live in a Post-Constitutional banana Republic, I don't.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 01:56 PM (g8Hfr)

I mean no disrespect, but this is a response, not a reply. It does not address the reality that the American Dream is one which states that we are free to determine our own destiny, with all the hopes, disappointments, and risks that proposition entails.

You serve and don't like it (I gather). I too am from a military family and understand the hardships of deployment and appreciate your service, but our military is non-conscription, so I don't get what this has to do with the point about no one being owed a living.

As for fighting the EPA regulations, I think it's disingenuous to say republicans haven't pushed back on the latest power-grabs but are limited by presidential veto power. In fact, it's Cruz, not Trump who favors getting the government out of the ethanol mandate scheme, but he's not your guy, right? I'm trying to find any evidence in Trump's record that would show a strong willingness to show restraint in the presence of power, and keep coming up empty. I'm not being sarcastic when I ask you to show me where I'm wrong because I'm genuinely looking for evidence to assuage my deepest concerns about him.

As for Williamson, he is a proponent of legal immigration, but while I am by no means a fan or follower of his, a two-second search brought up the below linked article he wrote about the need to apply the rule of law on immigration.

Finally, you mention communism and post-constitutional scenarios, but what is being debated is whether Williamson is correct and people should be responsible for their own circumstances, choices, or whatever, or the converse, which to me sounds a lot like government handouts and interventions to provide for individuals in failing markets/towns. If the former of those two is the one that sounds most like communism to you....well, I'm not sure how productive anyone will be in dissuading you.

Posted by: KillianThyme at March 31, 2016 02:45 PM (n2r4H)

289 Further to my @285, it has to be admitted Williamson grew up in one of those towns he hates so much, having a low education population and a federal benefits based economy. He might get a little carried away telling you how terrible his childhood was in West Texas poverty. Can't blame him for advocating "getting away" from it if you can.

Posted by: MTF at March 31, 2016 02:52 PM (/m8T6)

290 288 Posted by: KillianThyme at March 31, 2016 02:45 PM (n2r4H)

1) I am a spouse, not on active duty(I am a proud veteran who loved the Army)

That I miss home after being far from it for 22 of the last 25 years is hardly shocking.

2)I am Trump agnostic and of the remaining have been a vociferous Cruz man.

3) What we have extant is not legal immigration, and when the U6 UE% is as high the goddamned bar for even credentialed migrants should be high.

4) the unregulated wave migration that K D Williamson has no issue with is not going to be voting for a Lockeian based Hayek economy.

They are not here to get away from home they are wanting to get paychecks for bringing home here.

Realities

1) You have a party unwilling to give a unified "fuck you" to the Democrat Partisan Non-Partisan Civil Service's NGO Operative with GS rating antics.

2) Jimbo G and the Kemp Jock Sniffing NRO SonderKommando sucks as badly at retail politics as I would.

K D Williamson lives in a fantasy world where his silver tongue will convince a weaponized migrant wave from voting for people promising free shit.

He castigates his political allies who simply want the federal government to take its dick out of their ass.

"Good luck Big Kev" I can't sell my family that lost their GM jobs to the Mequilas on the notion they need to move to LA and become baristas....

strange I know.

What reply do you have for my sibling who though mostly apolitical understood the US government incentivized the hiring of illegals by 3000 bucks of savings to the employer on Obamacare and sees a party that refused to attack EVERY democrat with that fact?

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 02:55 PM (g8Hfr)

291 289 Posted by: MTF at March 31, 2016 02:52 PM (/m8T6)

I've lived in West Texas...

Maybe Big Kev would have been happier growing up in a project in Ohio with a bi-polar mom?

We all have a story....Big Kev is about as persuasive to a good portion of the GOP as Barney fucking Sanders.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 02:57 PM (g8Hfr)

292 Mustard/Sarin
Grey Poupon/Zyklon B

Posted by: andycanuck at March 31, 2016 03:20 PM (ioqGj)

293 Sven, KW is with you on immigration. He's a tough-on-immigration guy. So, he'd want to hear the same answer on immigration your sibling deserves to hear.

Posted by: MTF at March 31, 2016 03:33 PM (/m8T6)

294 293 Posted by: MTF at March 31, 2016 03:33 PM (/m8T6)

He cannot be "with me" on Amigo Grande! and write his pap.

The American worker is under assault by their own government.

We are at the highest U6 unemployment % in my life and the donkey party says "send more send more" which is bad enough they want Americans who are not attached to the founding.

The GOP aiding and abetting is the crisis.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 03:39 PM (g8Hfr)

295 Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 02:55 PM (g8Hfr)
Scattershot anger. You're mad about about immigration. So am I, as I've said, and trust me, I've been scrapped harder against its raw edge in California than the what? Few hundred thousand? in Ohio. Preaching to the choir and ignoring the point.

Losing a job to cheaper labor over the border sucks but is no where near the level of federal fuck ups that caused the dust bowl (per my Oakies comment earlier). I have had to move towns and switch careers in my life enough times to have less than a thimble full of tears for the whimpering "they took our jarbs" crowd. Get lean. Move. Find other work. Don't just sit on your ass and bitch about how good you had it because that only pays the rent in a communist wet dream. I would happily work as a barista if that's what it took to be my own person. No one is owed a living.

Posted by: KillianThyme at March 31, 2016 03:58 PM (n2r4H)

296 295 Posted by: KillianThyme at March 31, 2016 03:58 PM (n2r4H)

I am about 2,000 driving miles from home and not on welfare thanks Kev.

How's about we stop the war on coal?

Nah fuck that "Ventes for all"...

I've cleaned Aids hot sharp dialysis clinics to make ends meet.

Spare me the "up by your bootstraps" lecture.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 04:05 PM (g8Hfr)

297 and join me in welcoming the coming USSA there big Kev couldn't have done it without NRO.

You can't spell RINO without NRO.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 04:06 PM (g8Hfr)

298 sven, not sure what pap you are referring to. No doubt he's written plenty, but on immigration you might find he is with you, and just as angry at the GOP. His point is that Trump is lying to people, straight up. KW thinks billionaire narcissist Trump is the worst of the worst. Worse than Obama even, and completely and cynically taking advantage of desperate people with his anti-immigration bullshit.

Posted by: MTF at March 31, 2016 04:07 PM (/m8T6)

299 298 Posted by: MTF at March 31, 2016 04:07 PM (/m8T6)

He hates Trump b/c Trump is a populist who would be cornered into doing something on Amigo Grande!

Big Kev is a Jack Kemp type who thinks there is a magic combination of words that can overcome like a silver bullet this entrenched media/cultural bias without the hard work of attacking the NEA and Media conglomerates.

I live on Planet Earth, there is no sell my ideals can make to sway free shit army without backing by people willing to exert a social ill on people who refuse to conform with those ideals.

If I want to be called a lazy, slothful, racist I can go read Kos...

what do I need Big Kev for?

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 04:21 PM (g8Hfr)

300 Well, OK then. Mind made up. One quick point: he didn't call you a lazy, slothful racist. Peace, out.

Posted by: MTF at March 31, 2016 04:36 PM (/m8T6)

301 300 Posted by: MTF at March 31, 2016 04:36 PM (/m8T6)

No he called a lot of people back in Ohio, Ky, WVa, PA, and TN lazy, slothful, racist.

He and I are the same age, 15 years ago we'd have been having a laugh on these matters.

15 years ago we had a functioning party that grasped retail politics.

Big Kev got a lot more concerned with "fitting in" at NRO at some point never realizing he will never be more than a token.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 04:39 PM (g8Hfr)

302 KDW reminds me a lot of that guy Shaun King for some reason.....

Posted by: Dirty Randy at March 31, 2016 04:55 PM (jjaLl)

303 302 Posted by: Dirty Randy at March 31, 2016 04:55 PM (jjaLl)

Just not quite as visibly self-loathing....

Posted by: sven10077 at March 31, 2016 04:56 PM (g8Hfr)

304 For whomever said upthread, "Trump stole all the oxygen."

Not really, Fox News donated it. They are still smothering us with Trump news. I've just about stopped watching.

Posted by: jazzuscounty at March 31, 2016 06:07 PM (QYKC+)

305 Shocking, I couldn't tell that Bolling is pulling so hard to get a job offer from Trump.

Posted by: Rbastid at March 31, 2016 08:14 PM (4iFQH)

306 One might be tempted to think Trump would use this lull to make himself seem less of a gamble to his allies. He's made still The right enemies. But has failed to make the right friends.

I'm open. But I still have no idea what well get when he drops his "conservative insanity wolf" act.

Posted by: Shiggz at March 31, 2016 11:04 PM (G7wcY)

307 Honestly i have reached a point with the left where i am angry and scared of what they quickly morphing into. This campus stiuff id more nazi and less ows or anti war protest the types of things are w used to with them. I actually a.m. open to a putin or Pinochet like character. I worry that's not what well get with Trump.

Posted by: Shiggz at March 31, 2016 11:08 PM (G7wcY)

308 I didn't vote Trump in the primary, but I wasn't slitting my wrist over the idea of him being the nominee.

I now think he needs to be removed, in my mind this election is already lost, but it's one thing to have a 48-52 election, another to have a 61-39 election and watch every office get wiped out.

I'm fine with the Trumpkins sitting out the election and writing his name in, it would actually help the GOP to take their lumps and not have these people.

What's funny is I actually support Trump on most of his policy, but I really do think he has gone crazy.

Posted by: Swingline at April 01, 2016 11:58 AM (e6bkB)

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