Overnight Open Thread (3-8-2016)

Eh. This thread will probably just get stomped on anyway so why bother posting it. Force of habit I guess. That and Ace's lawyers' other favorite phrase: 'contractual obligation'.

Quote of the Day I

The United States within nearly a century of its founding became the wealthiest nation in the history of mankind. It accomplished this without an income tax, free university tuition, universal health care, or even Social Security. In Bernie Sanders' lifetime, he witnessed the fall of National Socialists, Soviet Socialists, and more benign iterations of the collectivist ideology. But he imagines the command economy, rather than the free market, as our savior.

-- Daniel J. Flynn in Socialism, The Nightmare That Never Dies

Quote of the Day II

I'm enjoying the irony of American Sanders supporters lecturing me, a former Soviet citizen, on the glories of Socialism and what it really means! Socialism sounds great in speech soundbites and on Facebook, but please keep it there. In practice, it corrodes not only the economy but the human spirit itself, and the ambition and achievement that made modern capitalism possible and brought billions of people out of poverty. Talking about Socialism is a huge luxury, a luxury that was paid for by the successes of capitalism. Income inequality is a huge problem, absolutely. But the idea that the solution is more government, more regulation, more debt, and less risk is dangerously absurd.

-- Garry Kasparov

Quote of the Day III

Arabs have no more creative force. Islam does not contribute to intellectual life, it suggests no discussion. It is no longer thought. It produces no thinking, no art, no science, no vision that could change the world. This repetition is the sign of its end. The Arabs will continue to exist, but they will not make the world better.

-- Arabic poet Adunis Asbar

Quote of the Day IV - Fen's Law Edition

"The feminist girls all were laughing at me and giving me the middle finger on the street, guys were screaming at me that 'maybe that washed the scum off you,'" she recounted. "Despite their professed feminism, they don't care about women if they have the wrong opinions. And despite their professed concern for 'violence against women,' they don't care if women who disagree with them are physically attacked."

-- Libertarian commentator Lauren Southern after being doused in urine by 'anti-fascist' protesters.

CDR Salamander: Sadly The Military Probably Would Obey Illegal Orders

There has been a lot of huff'n and puff'n from many who presently or once wore the uniform, including your humble blogg'r, roughly of, "We will not. No one will follow those illegal orders. We will just refuse." The more I've thought about it, the more I think my initial instinct is wrong.
That might be an internal dialog, but once a senior officer looks you in the eye, and even if you make a protest says, "The JAG stated ..." or "The Justice Department ruled that ... ", there are very few who will resist. Anyone below 4-stars that does refuse will simply be fired and someone will step forward to execute the order in their place within minutes. That one person will have a clear conscience, but will also have a dead-end career, professional exile, and nothing will actually have changed.

In the main, orders will be followed.

...I would like to think I would do the right thing, but you know what - if for some reason I got called back, I'd just be a Commander. This isn't a Field Grade, Company Grade, or Senior NCO issue. This is a General Officer and Flag Officer (GOFO) issue.

What if there were push back at the GOFO level? There would be delays, there might be resignations. At the tactical level, there might even be some misdirection to delay or avoid - but it would be executed until contrary orders came down the chain.
The odds of the above scenario playing out is rather small. I have come to believe this; there is nothing that our GOFO community have done in peace that would lead me to think that there would be any concerted effort to stand up and say, "No." in times of crisis.

The Daughter of a Civil War Veteran Is Still Getting a Pension

Nothing lasts like a government benefit.

More than 3 million men fought and 530,000 men died in the conflict between North and South. Pvt. Mose Triplett joined the rebels, deserted on the road to Gettysburg, defected to the Union and married so late in life to a woman so young that their daughter Irene is today 84 years old-and the last child of any Civil War veteran still on the VA benefits rolls.
Ms. Triplett's pension, small as it is, stands as a reminder that war's bills don't stop coming when the guns fall silent. The VA is still paying benefits to 16 widows and children of veterans from the 1898 Spanish-American War.
The last U.S. World War I veteran died in 2011. But 4,038 widows, sons and daughters get monthly VA pension or other payments. The government's annual tab for surviving family from those long-ago wars comes to $16.5 million.

The Brown Shoes

Just How Many Transferable Machine Guns Are There in the US?

According to the ATF:

Pre 86 (transferables): 175,977

And until the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act is changed, that's all there ever will be.

Upcoming Movie: Charlie Sheen And Whoopi Goldberg Will Get Trapped In An Elevator On 9/11

And the working title is get this - 'Nine Eleven'. No word on whether there's a sex scene. Or an epic fight scene between the two. Or possibly both.

Hasbro Removes Bank And Cash From Monopoly To Avoid Corruption

And also fun.

Erin Andrews Wins $55 Million in Her Peephole Lawsuit, May Actually See $6 Million in Her Pocket

Kim Kardashian Fights Nudity Shaming The Only Way She Knows How

The Yahoo group is for closers only.

Tonight's post brought to you by every thread from now to the convention:

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Posted by: Maetenloch at 11:21 PM

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1 woot woot

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 08, 2016 11:22 PM (voOPb)

2 woot woot ONT Baby, long night here at the AoSDD

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 08, 2016 11:22 PM (voOPb)

3 First!!!

Posted by: RGallegos at March 08, 2016 11:22 PM (49Jfq)

4 Fifth?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 08, 2016 11:24 PM (pUDQf)

5 Eh. This thread will probably just get stomped on anyway so why bother posting it. Force of habit I guess. That and Ace's lawyers' favorite phrase: 'contractual obligation'

A) Sucks to be you or;
B) Suck it up Buttercup or;
C) We love ya Maet

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 08, 2016 11:24 PM (voOPb)

6 Damn

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 08, 2016 11:24 PM (pUDQf)

7 Oh no no,

the page crashed, I'm gonna miss first.

Yeah, first world problems.

Posted by: Farmer at March 08, 2016 11:24 PM (o/90i)

8 Not to fret, Maet. Even if the thread gets stomped, a bunch of us'll be riding it.

Howdy, y'all!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at March 08, 2016 11:25 PM (EzgxV)

9 NINE!

Posted by: Marvin at March 08, 2016 11:25 PM (OQ9R7)

10 Woke up and needed a drink, no water silly.
Hope your all having a good night

Posted by: Skip at March 08, 2016 11:26 PM (fizMZ)

11 Holy shit. I thought the whoopie and sheen thing was a joke.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 08, 2016 11:26 PM (pUDQf)

12 *Removes Martian Sock*

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 08, 2016 11:26 PM (OQ9R7)

13 I WISH every thread between now and the election were lik3 two hotties wrestling in mud like conditions.

Posted by: Tim in GA at March 08, 2016 11:27 PM (RWjrX)

14 Evenin' everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 08, 2016 11:28 PM (YJmuy)

15 Thanks for the ONT.

Think the lady who got urine poured on her should have smacked the shit out of the bitch.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 08, 2016 11:29 PM (iHjB5)

16 What movie is that last still from?

Posted by: Splunge at March 08, 2016 11:29 PM (iMxBJ)

17 Print the Daniel Flynn article. Give a copy to any Sanders fans you know. Most won't absorb it, but perhaps someone will.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 08, 2016 11:29 PM (ZxmMG)

18 I'm crawling under a rock until a few days after the election, whenever it is. I'll just stay underground until December 1 for good measure. Please save a couple of the frozen chicken pot pies for me.

Posted by: iforgot at March 08, 2016 11:29 PM (5o5ek)

19 Those two chicks fighting are like redbanzai and kari.

But kari says she's a man so forget it.

Posted by: eleven at March 08, 2016 11:30 PM (qUNWi)

20 Anyone seen London Is Falling? Any good?

Posted by: Splunge at March 08, 2016 11:30 PM (iMxBJ)

21 my wife got fired today...

so much for watching pr0n during the day.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 08, 2016 11:30 PM (kaPZB)

22 I read it all. I coulda been a contendah instead of a bum, which is what Iyam.

Posted by: Grump928(C) also wears an onion on his belt at March 08, 2016 11:31 PM (rwI+c)

23 Ola....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2016 11:31 PM (KYO8Z)

24 Bet I've seen that movie

Posted by: Skip at March 08, 2016 11:31 PM (fizMZ)

25 Whoopi has improved with age.

Posted by: eleven at March 08, 2016 11:32 PM (qUNWi)

26 Nice to have a new thread. Maybe we can keep the primary bullshit out of it. I've hit the point of election fatigue and just wish it would end.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 08, 2016 11:33 PM (HalrA)

27 Hellow mellow fellows. It's tired and I'm late. Got to visit my mom and sister today. That's a good thing.

Posted by: mindful webworker - interesting times at March 08, 2016 11:33 PM (gPTe0)

28 Sorry, Maet. I've read none of it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2016 11:33 PM (KYO8Z)

29 "London Is Falling." Is that the prequel to "My Fair Lady"?

Build it up with sticks and stones.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 08, 2016 11:33 PM (xq1UY)

30 Spoiler: By the end of the movie, Whoopi and the other three people on the elevator who aren't Charlie Sheen have AIDS.

Posted by: Splunge at March 08, 2016 11:33 PM (iMxBJ)

31 26 Nice to have a new thread. Maybe we can keep the primary bullshit out of it. I've hit the point of election fatigue and just wish it would end.

ace is gonna keep crackin that whip....

Posted by: eleven at March 08, 2016 11:34 PM (qUNWi)

32 Whoopi has tats apparently. Big ones.

Posted by: Grump928(C) also wears an onion on his belt at March 08, 2016 11:34 PM (rwI+c)

33 The Arab religion that has become "Islam", I think, *did* once contribute to intellectual life.

But then the Arabs made the mistake of taking the Qur'an seriously and here we are.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 08, 2016 11:34 PM (6FqZa)

34 Who farted?

Posted by: Whoopie at March 08, 2016 11:34 PM (8aOqE)

35 26 Nice to have a new thread. Maybe we can keep the primary bullshit out of it. I've hit the point of election fatigue and just wish it would end.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 08, 2016 11:33 PM (HalrA)

Considering a new ONT rule...

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 08, 2016 11:34 PM (pAlYe)

36 >>>Tonight's post brought to you by every thread from now to the convention:<<<

Ok, so that's redbanzai and... wait, I think most of the raucous Trump supporters are dudes.

Posted by: WWEHQ at March 08, 2016 11:35 PM (H9MG5)

37 "Whoopi has improved with age."

Oh, goodness, you've progressed further that we realized.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2016 11:35 PM (KYO8Z)

38 I'm watching MacBeth. I read it long ago, but have not seen any movie version.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 08, 2016 11:35 PM (VdICR)

39 I can't wait until women get afflicted with 3-d printed pictures of some stalker's unit. Technology, what wonders can't it accomplish?

In the main, orders will be followed.

I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand, Cdr Salamander is right: the officers will on the whole follow any orders, regardless of how evil or wrong. They are there for advancement and are easily replaced.

On the other hand, the army runs on its non commissioned officers, who aren't climbers and are hard core soldiers. They aren't there for a future in politics or a career, they're there to fight and win and serve. And these guys... I can see them refusing to follow orders. I can see the guys in the boots refusing to follow orders. At least some, if not many of them.

So I dunno how it would play out. I could easily see the US military fracture into two camps as badly as in the Civil War. But this time it wouldn't be on neat geographic borders.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 08, 2016 11:35 PM (39g3+)

40 Cruz may win Idaho

Posted by: logprof at March 08, 2016 11:35 PM (sjppU)

41 that wasn't a fart

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 08, 2016 11:36 PM (12kBq)

42 Wait till you see the part where I suck Whoopi's dick.

Posted by: Charlie Sheen at March 08, 2016 11:36 PM (c7vUv)

43 If Maet had eaten Kaboom as a kid, he'd know to give up ONTing on an election night.

Perspicacity can sometimes be a handicap.

Posted by: Ray Walston at March 08, 2016 11:37 PM (gyKtp)

44 >>>Those two chicks fighting are like redbanzai and kari.

But kari says she's a man so forget it.
Posted by: eleven at March 08, 2016 11:30 PM (qUNWi)<<<

...and I was beaten by a mile.

Posted by: WWEHQ at March 08, 2016 11:37 PM (H9MG5)

45 Miss me yet?

Posted by: Karl Rove at March 08, 2016 11:37 PM (12kBq)

46 What movie is that last still from?

From Russia With Love.

Posted by: Rosa Klebb at March 08, 2016 11:37 PM (CVzSr)

47 I've never listened to London is Falling but I loved, or used to love, London's Burning by The Clash.

Yeah, leftie crap but I went through a phase where I loved The Clash.

Posted by: Northernlurker at March 08, 2016 11:37 PM (4rzL1)

48 I resent Venn diagrams. In my day, sonny, they were Euler's Circles.
Here, let me draw a couple for you:

Arabs/Arab "Culture"

Islam.

They overlap some. They sure as hell are not coterminous.
Doesn't really matter whether that "improves our understanding."
It does matter that it is Part of The Problem, for them. By extension, us too.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 08, 2016 11:38 PM (xq1UY)

49 Yes, for an actual "machine gun" dealer/collector license, highly monitored, "may be" issued.

Local sheriff/police chief sign off on a routine basis.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2016 11:38 PM (KYO8Z)

50 I'd be all for a primary-free ONT rule. There will always be an earlier thread to use as the Fight Club.

And I have bookmarked all the quote articles, Maet. Really good stuff, as per your usual. Thank you.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 08, 2016 11:38 PM (2PI7/)

51 43 If Maet had eaten Kaboom as a kid, he'd know to give up ONTing on an election night.
Perspicacity can sometimes be a handicap.
Posted by: Ray Walston at March 08, 2016 11:37 PM (gyKtp)

Shhh! Don't tempt the Maet. You never know what he might do.

Posted by: Splunge at March 08, 2016 11:39 PM (iMxBJ)

52 Just When You Thought That Socialized Medicine Couldn't Get More Ghoulish

The British National Health Service (NHS) isn't content to just force the elderly and infants to die slow excruciating deaths, now they have a scheme to have mothers whose unborn babies are diagnosed with "fatal defects" to go ahead with the pregnancy for the purpose of harvesting the baby's organs.

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=11308

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 08, 2016 11:39 PM (vBeA5)

53 "Anti-fascists" dumping urine on someone because they're... libertarian?

I don't think they know what fascism, peaceful protesting or sanitation means.

Posted by: pookysgirl at March 08, 2016 11:39 PM (K27gs)

54 47 I've never listened to London is Falling but I loved, or used to love, London's Burning by The Clash.
Yeah, leftie crap but I went through a phase where I loved The Clash.
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 08, 2016 11:37 PM (4rzL1)

My brain hurts now.

Posted by: Splunge at March 08, 2016 11:40 PM (iMxBJ)

55 The 9/11 elevator thing. That's frustrating. This happens to me over and over. I had an idea 3 years ago of a series of short stories Decameron style in which people are trapped in an elevator and tell stories to pass the time, while a strange figure in the elevator prompts them. Each story reveals much about the person and in the end, we find that these people are in an elevator in one of the twin towers, and are in fact, all dead. The elevator operator decides where each of them ends up in the afterlife based on their stories.

I never wrote it because short stories are definitely not my format, and because I'd need to come up with a good 6-7 unique and interesting stories that have a moral and that ain't easy. But the concept was very intriguing to me.

Now if I ever do it, it seems like a knockoff of someone else's work.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 08, 2016 11:40 PM (39g3+)

56 I don't think they know what fascism, peaceful protesting or sanitation means.

To the left, a fascist is someone who disagrees with you.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 08, 2016 11:41 PM (YJmuy)

57 "But kari says she's a man so forget it."

Well, let's not believe everything we see on the internet.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2016 11:41 PM (KYO8Z)

58 The British National Health Service (NHS) isn't content to just force the elderly and infants to die slow excruciating deaths, now they have a scheme to have mothers whose unborn babies are diagnosed with "fatal defects" to go ahead with the pregnancy for the purpose of harvesting the baby's organs.

Posted by: The Political Hat

Those Euros are so advanced compared to this backward, hick Jesusland.

Posted by: Planned Infanticide at March 08, 2016 11:41 PM (yNome)

59 Now if I ever do it, it seems like a knockoff of someone else's work.

Gee that'd be a first in the artistic world.

Posted by: go for it at March 08, 2016 11:42 PM (CVzSr)

60 evening all

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 08, 2016 11:42 PM (R5HRU)

61 Posted by: The Political Hat at March 08, 2016 11:39 PM (vBeA5)

Socialism at work. Everything must function according to some bureaucratic automaton's notion of what's best for everyone. The sheer level of inhumanity that it always manages to achieve is staggering.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 08, 2016 11:42 PM (HalrA)

62 Greatest fight scene in the history of spaghetti westerns. Claudia Cardinale v. Bridgette Bardot.

https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=ADikLHxNZT4

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 08, 2016 11:42 PM (Nwg0u)

63 Best part of "London Calling" is

"Phony Beatlemania has bitten the dust"

punks hated the Beatles. "One Down 3 To Go" was the punk response to John Lennon dying.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 08, 2016 11:43 PM (39g3+)

64 Per Fox:

"Earthquake"

Heh. Hehehehe.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2016 11:43 PM (KYO8Z)

65 I'm crawling under a rock until a few days after the election, whenever it is. I'll just stay underground until December 1 for good measure. Please save a couple of the frozen chicken pot pies for me.
Posted by: iforgot at March 08, 2016 11:29 PM

I used to love them as a kid. A few yrs ago? I think Swanson went to shit.

Actually more than a few yrs ago. I'm thinking the POS Swanson pot pie in freezer might 10 yo and we need to clean out the freezer. Well, we have done that in time but just moved it upstairs to the other freezer.

OK, major policy decision on my run for the Presidency. I WILL feed that freezer burned POS pot pie to split between my dogs tomorrow. I'm green that way. Can I still run on the Green Party?

Also cheap/Ipreferfrugal.

Posted by: Farmer at March 08, 2016 11:43 PM (o/90i)

66 >>>Well, let's not believe everything we see on the internet.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2016 11:41 PM (KYO8Z)<<<

Bonjour.

Posted by: French Model at March 08, 2016 11:43 PM (H9MG5)

67 There are very few rules in the camps.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 08, 2016 11:43 PM (gyKtp)

68 Honestly, if it's a matter of waterboarding or roughing up some jihadi pig that just killed a bunch of people, I don't give a shit.

I mean, intellectually and morally I give a shit, but I surely wouldn't be judging anyone who did it.

Because I surely didn't care about Abu Grabi, even though I know that they shouldn'ta hadn'ta oughtna done that.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 08, 2016 11:45 PM (2PI7/)

69 There are very few rules in the camps.
Posted by: GnuBreed

The first rule of the camps is that we do not talk about the camps.

Posted by: A Good German at March 08, 2016 11:45 PM (yNome)

70 That Cardinale/Bardot fight has some fine ladies in a cat fight but that has to be the worst film fight I've ever seen in my life.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 08, 2016 11:45 PM (39g3+)

71 Marie Calendar microwave pot pies...pretty good. Done in 6 minutes.

Posted by: sexypig at March 08, 2016 11:45 PM (dZQh7)

72 And don't forget that everything that's going on in Britain with the NHS will soon be experienced here.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 08, 2016 11:45 PM (Xo1Rt)

73 "evening all"

All chi.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2016 11:45 PM (KYO8Z)

74 Posted by: GnuBreed at March 08, 2016 11:43 PM (gyKtp)

Hello again!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 08, 2016 11:45 PM (2PI7/)

75 Most threads aren't nearly as sexy as that last image.

Posted by: buzzion at March 08, 2016 11:45 PM (zt+N6)

76 I never wrote it because short stories are definitely not my format, and because I'd need to come up with a good 6-7 unique and interesting stories that have a moral and that ain't easy. But the concept was very intriguing to me.

Now if I ever do it, it seems like a knockoff of someone else's work.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor

The Thing is:

There are no unique stories,

Morality is of course hard to carry as a theme without making it overt

And, practice is a thing.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 08, 2016 11:45 PM (A/3fN)

77 Blanco, I'm pretty sure those feminists have only read a dictionary to argue with it.

Posted by: pookysgirl at March 08, 2016 11:46 PM (K27gs)

78 I'm flexible when it comes to torture. Mainly as I don't see waterboarding as torture.

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 08, 2016 11:46 PM (R5HRU)

79 The map of Idaho is starting to look purdy

Posted by: Larry The Cable Guy at March 08, 2016 11:46 PM (12kBq)

80 Torture is not the real issue with Trump issuing orders.

Its the killing of family of terrorists.

Posted by: sexypig at March 08, 2016 11:46 PM (dZQh7)

81
Kim Kardashian has precisely three reasons for being. Money, fame, and famous black dick.

Famous black richard... please, we have standards.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot, 'Who Decides?' at March 08, 2016 11:46 PM (BK3ZS)

82 Erin Andrews awarded 55 million for being filmed by a peeping tom.

I bet if before this incident occurred , if Andrews was offered 10 million to sleep with the future peeper she would have taken it.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 08, 2016 11:46 PM (MNgU2)

83 Now if I ever do it, it seems like a knockoff of someone else's work.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 08, 2016 11:40 PM (39g3+)

The "they are already dead" thing is a story idea with a long tradition. For instance, I was listening to one of Lilek's Diner podcasts and he played "DOA" from the 70's.

Just because something has been done does not mean it cannot be done better. I think a movie with Whoopi and Tiger-blood will be a fairly easy bar to step over.

Classics are classics for a reason, because they are good story ideas that speak to people. If you have a good idea, go for it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 08, 2016 11:47 PM (iHjB5)

84 Marie Calendar Pies are scrumptious but expensive.

I have to opt for the Banquet brand that only costs 88 cents.

It's not as chock full of tasty as the the Banquet but it's still nourishing and I get 3 for the price of one Marie's.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 08, 2016 11:47 PM (Xo1Rt)

85 62 Greatest fight scene in the history of spaghetti westerns. Claudia Cardinale v. Bridgette Bardot.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 08, 2016 11:42 PM (Nwg0u)

Wow. It is all you say it is. But I had to change the URL to make it work for me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADikLHxNZT4

The gratuitous cloth-tearing sounds were an inspired touch.

Posted by: Splunge at March 08, 2016 11:47 PM (iMxBJ)

86 so Erin go bra-less for 55 million?

Posted by: Chicago Vota at March 08, 2016 11:47 PM (3T0tP)

87 72
And don't forget that everything that's going on in Britain with the NHS will soon be experienced here.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 08, 2016 11:45 PM (Xo1Rt)

This country won't be around long enough to install nationalized healthcare. We pretty much have to get everything right or we're done, and there won't be any prosperity on which to build a socialist utopia when it all crashes down.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 08, 2016 11:47 PM (HalrA)

88 Blanco, I'm pretty sure those feminists have only read a dictionary to argue with it.

You are most likely correct. Funny, but still correct.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 08, 2016 11:47 PM (YJmuy)

89 "onjour.

Posted by: French Model"

Are you like, hot?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2016 11:48 PM (KYO8Z)

90 The Thing is:

There are no unique stories

Yeah but the thing is, it keeps happening to me. I come up with an idea... and not long after someone does something really similar to it. For example, I had an idea for a telekinetic whose powers go out of control and start killing him and some Japanese dude put out Akira a few years later. Its like a running joke in a sitcom.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 08, 2016 11:48 PM (39g3+)

91 Kardashian is big as a house. She can do her daily treks to the gym, poke around a salad, but at home she shovels the food into her piehole. She covers herself up to hide the fat. Then she takes a nude photo of herself, photoshops it, and wants everyone to believe that is what she looks like. No one really cares what she looks like. People are just sick of her and her family. They lie aout anything and everything.

Posted by: Feminist Bruce With a Feminist Wang! at March 08, 2016 11:48 PM (iQIUe)

92 Posted by: pookysgirl at March 08, 2016 11:46 PM (K27gs)

They probably tear out all the pages with the words that start with M A N

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 08, 2016 11:48 PM (Xo1Rt)

93 "There are very few rules in the camps."

However, we do have 27 volumes of guidelines.

Posted by: Happy Fun Camp Activities Director at March 08, 2016 11:49 PM (noWW6)

94
Is the catfight picture from "From Russia with Love"?
Also, thanks to Maet for another fine ONT.

Posted by: Darth Randall at March 08, 2016 11:49 PM (KlVdw)

95 Two big boobed women in a catfight

However, since it's in black & white it's ART

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2016 11:49 PM (F0auy)

96 I bet if before this incident occurred , if Andrews was offered 10 million to sleep with the future peeper she would have taken it.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 08, 2016 11:46 PM (MNgU2)

So what? It doesn't change the fact that her privacy was violated, nor that the hotel gave that scumbag a room next to hers when he asked for one.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 08, 2016 11:49 PM (fC9RO)

97
Those Euros are so advanced compared to this backward, hick Jesusland.
Posted by: Planned Infanticide

I only read a few comments on the original article but many, if not most seemed to be in favor.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 08, 2016 11:49 PM (FkBIv)

98 Oh, and DM has some good joke repsonses to Kardashian.

Posted by: Feminist Bruce With a Feminist Wang! at March 08, 2016 11:49 PM (iQIUe)

99 I'm trying to think of a case where professional NCO's prevented the commission of an atrocity or a war crime perpetrated by their careerist officers, as Taylor above cites. Somebody contribute one?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 08, 2016 11:49 PM (xq1UY)

100 Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 08, 2016 11:46 PM (R5HRU)

I am pretty sure my brothers routinely waterboarded each other and far worse than that when they were younger.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 08, 2016 11:50 PM (2PI7/)

101 my wife got fired today...
so much for watching pr0n during the day.
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 08, 2016 11:30 PM

Standard disclaimer @ AOSHQ...

"I Don't know this Moron."
Ace

Posted by: Farmer at March 08, 2016 11:50 PM (o/90i)

102 Well, my, my, my.

Maybe we'll get lucky with this one.
Maybe we won't.
It's a crap shoot.

But somebody has got to take control.
And that somebody is not going to be a two-bit punk.
That somebody is going to be me.

Posted by: Lt. Joe Kenda at March 08, 2016 11:50 PM (T/5A0)

103 As I understand the argument, Waterboarding is not torture because it doesn't inflict pain for the sake of inflicting pain.

It's more psychological (unless carried to an extreme) than painful.

But I wouldn't want to test that supposition thank you.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 08, 2016 11:51 PM (Xo1Rt)

104
Actually, most threads for the foreseeable future will be this... http://youtu.be/koXpy5uKbLY

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot, 'Who Decides?' at March 08, 2016 11:51 PM (BK3ZS)

105 "Whoopi has improved with age."

Whoopi is the one on the right.

Posted by: t-bird at March 08, 2016 11:51 PM (n22zQ)

106 90 Yeah but the thing is, it keeps happening to me. I come up with an idea... and not long after someone does something really similar to it. For example, I had an idea for a telekinetic whose powers go out of control and start killing him and some Japanese dude put out Akira a few years later. Its like a running joke in a sitcom.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 08, 2016 11:48 PM (39g3+)

Charles Stross (yeah, he's a lib, but he's written some great stuff) was writing a book, and his agent told him: "whatever you do, don't read Tim Powers' Declare.") If you described the books, there would seem to be a lot of similarities, but reading them, they could not be more different. Same idea doesn't lead to same novel in different hands. Or even recognizably similar for a reader, maybe.

Posted by: Splunge at March 08, 2016 11:51 PM (iMxBJ)

107 Posted by: redc1c4 at March 08, 2016 11:30 PM

Your afternoons of frolic and fun are OVER!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 08, 2016 11:51 PM (Xo1Rt)

108 SpaceX has been working on an anti-ship missile, but it hasn't yet succeeded in sinking the barge.

https://tinyurl.com/jtvh8kh

That's a pretty big hole at the upper left, though.

Posted by: rickl at March 08, 2016 11:51 PM (sdi6R)

109 I'm trying to think of a case where professional NCO's prevented the commission of an atrocity or a war crime perpetrated by their careerist officers, as Taylor above cites. Somebody contribute one?

Posted by: Stringer Davis

Is this going to be a dragged-out Argument from Ignorance, or do you have on in mind?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 08, 2016 11:51 PM (A/3fN)

110 will Trump mention Cruz being from Canada again?

Posted by: sexypig at March 08, 2016 11:52 PM (dZQh7)

111 >>>Are you like, hot?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2016 11:48 PM (KYO8Z)<<<

Uh, do you like khakis?

Posted by: Jake, from State Farm at March 08, 2016 11:52 PM (H9MG5)

112 International Womens Day ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/707238161169129472

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/707248741108097028

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/707248903599624193

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/707249112010395649

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/707249301110562816

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2016 11:52 PM (F0auy)

113 Evening horde.

How goes it this fine warm night.

*giddy that the bullshit daylight saving whatever is about to end and it's warm out.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 08, 2016 11:53 PM (hlMPp)

114 110 will Trump mention Cruz being from Canada again?
Posted by: sexypig at March 08, 2016 11:52 PM (dZQh7)

Please don't drag the primary shi^H^H stuff into my fresh, clean ONT.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 08, 2016 11:53 PM (pAlYe)

115 Several fat, confused people on Fox who just can't understand the returns they're seeing. Don't understand these "anti-estabishment" results.

No clue.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2016 11:53 PM (KYO8Z)

116 Very proud of Twin Falls tonight... Even people who jump off a perfectly good bridge know enough to support Ted

Posted by: phreshone at March 08, 2016 11:53 PM (12kBq)

117 82 Erin Andrews awarded 55 million for being filmed by a peeping tom.

I bet if before this incident occurred , if Andrews was offered 10 million to sleep with the future peeper she would have taken it.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 08, 2016 11:46 PM (MNgU2)

Yep. Not that what the guy did was ok, but replace Andrews with Rosie O'Donnel and imagine what the jury award would be.

Actually, they'd have the guy shot for posting that to the internet, on moral grounds, and they'd be right.

But it helps to be a pretty thing when you're crying on the stand.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 08, 2016 11:54 PM (TqXWc)

118 Idaho results (about 25% reporting, so far)

http://preview.tinyurl.com/jrs3pzl

Goodnight from "white supremacyland" heh.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 08, 2016 11:54 PM (044Fx)

119 first !!!!!

Posted by: jake at March 08, 2016 11:54 PM (Onoqd)

120 The link is fixed. Now, what am I going to comment about??

Posted by: mindful webworker - simple pressures at March 08, 2016 11:54 PM (gPTe0)

121 Aw, crap, wrong thread...sorry. Happy ONT.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 08, 2016 11:54 PM (044Fx)

122 I'm trying to think of a case where professional NCO's prevented the commission of an atrocity or a war crime perpetrated by their careerist officers, as Taylor above cites

Yeah I dunno. It might not ever have happened or will happen. I really could not say, having no personal first-hand experience with military culture from the inside.

As for Kardashian... I can't remember where I saw it but some wag said today the only picture she could take of herself that nobody has seen yet would be if she swallowed the camera.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 08, 2016 11:54 PM (39g3+)

123
giddy that the bullshit daylight saving whatever is about to end and it's warm out.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA

It doesn't start until Sunday.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 08, 2016 11:54 PM (FkBIv)

124 That Daniel Flynn quote misses the most important point: we let in a bunch of fucking shitheels. Scammers are drawn like flies to success. It's where the money is. And thanks to the 1965 immigration bill, we got plenty of scammers.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 08, 2016 11:54 PM (4ErVI)

125
99 I'm trying to think of a case where professional NCO's prevented the commission of an atrocity or a war crime perpetrated by their careerist officers, as Taylor above cites. Somebody contribute one?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 08, 2016 11:49 PM (xq1UY)

What about Wesley Clark's plan to start WW3?

Posted by: buzzion at March 08, 2016 11:55 PM (zt+N6)

126 International Womens Day ONT Compliance Pics - 2

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/707249451056947201

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/707249816213000192

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/707249984060715008

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/707250135978401793

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/707250288487481346

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2016 11:55 PM (F0auy)

127 Okay let me make this clear:

NO PRIMARY STUFF IN THE ONT PLEASE

If you want to indulge, there are plenty of threads down below.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 08, 2016 11:55 PM (pAlYe)

128
Overnight Open Thread (3-8-2016)

Cheer up! Every ONT in less than two years' time will be totes cool!

Overnight Open Thread (3-8-201

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot, 'Who Decides?' at March 08, 2016 11:55 PM (BK3ZS)

129 "Uh, do you like khakis?"

Um, I may have replied to the wrong post, so.

Yeah.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2016 11:55 PM (KYO8Z)

130 Torture is not the real issue with Trump issuing orders.

Its the killing of family of terrorists.
Posted by: sexypig at March 08, 2016 11:46 PM (dZQh7)

I didn't realize that. And of course they shouldn't kill children. And probably not women they don't know to be actively supporting the cause.

But I have to be honest and say I lean towards an eye for an eye, myself, even as I realize it could get out of hand and we really shouldn't go there.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 08, 2016 11:55 PM (2PI7/)

131
111 >>>Are you like, hot?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2016 11:48 PM (KYO8Z)

Uh, do you like khakis?
Posted by: Jake, from State Farm at March 08, 2016 11:52 PM (H9MG5

F society. F the Internet.

Just as a lark I put I. 'Khaki fetish'

Yep, shitload of returns.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 08, 2016 11:55 PM (hlMPp)

132 Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 08, 2016 11:49 PM (fC9RO)

point being she didn't suffer damages in the amount of 55 million.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 08, 2016 11:56 PM (MNgU2)

133 Reporters saying Dem voters in MI assumed Hillary would win and thus crossed over to vote GOP.

For Kasich...but you know some voted for Trump. Probably cancelled each other out, if not more for Trump.

Posted by: sexypig at March 08, 2016 11:56 PM (dZQh7)

134 Poor Maet: This thread will probably just get stomped on...

Some election post would just siphon the election chatter away from the ONT. That's a good thing, right?

ONTs never really get stomped. They just get skimmed.

Posted by: mindful webworker - great thoughts with but a single mind at March 08, 2016 11:56 PM (gPTe0)

135 Yep, I have decided to stay out of "those" threads until this primary shitshow and perhaps the convention is over. I vote pleadingly to keep the ONTs primary free. I just decided I couldn't take it anymore a few days ago.

Hot chicks in a cat fight. Now that's me speed. I wonder if they can manage spike f*ck-me heels during the catfight?

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at March 08, 2016 11:56 PM (dvuhZ)

136 Where is Tura Satana when we need her?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 08, 2016 11:56 PM (GdFQh)

137
Bernie Sanders is an avowed socialist, and a great champion of the redistribution of wealth.

Therefore, I see this great irony in a Bernie Sanders presidency:

President Sanders would live in a mansion. He would have a housekeeping staff, and a personal chef. President Sanders would never have to scrub his toilet, or make his bed, or prepare his own meals. He'll have landscaping experts keeping the grounds of his home at their most attractive.

President Sanders would enjoy the use of private (he'll decide who flies on them) aircraft. In the case of Air Force One, one of the largest and most luxurious corporate aircraft in the world. On the ground, he'll be whisked from Point A to Point B in a limousine. A motorcade, in fact.

If he chooses to follow in the footsteps of our current POTUS, President Sanders may vacation in places like Martha's Vineyard, and at cost of many, many, thousands of dollars.

President Sanders will have 24/7 personal security. (And if he wants to go full HRC, he'll make 'em carry his bags!)

President Bernie Sanders, the Great Democratic Socialist and wealth redistribution cheerleader, will live in a manner that most Americans can only dream about.

Posted by: Randy Westerfeld at March 08, 2016 11:56 PM (zp6Kj)

138 Sorry, Maet. Meant to put it down below.

Posted by: JQ Flyover at March 08, 2016 11:56 PM (044Fx)

139 In Israel, women and children are stabbing joos every week.

Posted by: Feminist Bruce With a Feminist Wang! at March 08, 2016 11:56 PM (iQIUe)

140 Charlie Sheen and Whoopi in a 9/11 movie?
Gold, Jerry! Gold!

Posted by: tu3031 at March 08, 2016 11:57 PM (EDYaR)

141 Please don't drag the primary shi^H^H stuff into my fresh, clean ONT.

Posted by: Maetenloch

Like fucking Nelson you are.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 08, 2016 11:57 PM (A/3fN)

142 giddy that the bullshit daylight saving whatever is about to end and it's warm out.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA

It doesn't start until Sunday.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 08, 2016 11:54 PM (FkBIv)

No, Daylight Savings Time is about to START. We're on real time now. I hate DST.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 08, 2016 11:57 PM (2PI7/)

143 Now if I ever do it, it seems like a knockoff of someone else's work.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 08, 2016 11:40 PM (39g3+)

Well, it sort of is. cf. Dr. Terror's House of Horrors, 1965. But you left out the Tarot cards, so there's that.

Posted by: HTL at March 08, 2016 11:57 PM (3TKkF)

144 What about Wesley Clark's plan to start WW3?
Posted by: buzzion

Wil Wheaton's worst role, and that's saying something.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at March 08, 2016 11:57 PM (yNome)

145 Just as a lark I put I. 'Khaki fetish'

Really by this age you ought to know better.

point being she didn't suffer damages in the amount of 55 million.

but did she suffer damages in the amount of 6 million? That's arguable in her career. And thus the huge numbers, because gouging scumbag lawyers and costs eat up almost all the award.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 08, 2016 11:57 PM (39g3+)

146 Posted by: sexypig at March 08, 2016 11:56 PM (dZQh7)

Ahem.

[sweeps hand along banhammer Vanna White-style]

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 08, 2016 11:58 PM (pAlYe)

147 74 Hello again!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 08, 2016 11:45 PM (2PI7/)

*sends a platonic hug Tammy's way*

**am definitely afraid of Thor**

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 08, 2016 11:58 PM (gyKtp)

148 See, on the rare occasions I make a meatyloaf, I put a sliced olive right on top.

It's classy.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 08, 2016 11:58 PM (A/3fN)

149 I have to opt for the Banquet brand that only costs 88 cents.

Ahh, Banquet TV dinners, there was a time back in my younger years when I usually only had a couple bucks a day to spend on food and a lot of the time I'd get a Banquet TV dinner and a pint of milk, they kept me alive and kicking during lean times.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at March 08, 2016 11:58 PM (yos+4)

150 127 Okay let me make this clear:

NO PRIMARY STUFF IN THE ONT PLEASE

If you want to indulge, there are plenty of threads down below.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 08, 2016 11:55 PM (pAlYe)

2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97

Kidding Maet. Kidding!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 08, 2016 11:58 PM (hlMPp)

151 International Womens Day ONT Compliance Pics - 3

https://twitter.com/Order227blog/status/707255056437870592

https://twitter.com/Order227blog/status/707256181593477121

https://twitter.com/Order227blog/status/707257244614676480

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/707265228669652993

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2016 11:58 PM (F0auy)

152 is it too soon to ask for football cheerleader pics?

Posted by: jake at March 08, 2016 11:58 PM (Onoqd)

153 Fox calls Idaho for Cruz.

Posted by: logprof at March 08, 2016 11:59 PM (COlmU)

154 **am definitely afraid of Thor**

Right there with you.

Posted by: Lightning rods everywhere at March 08, 2016 11:59 PM (YJmuy)

155 Cruz wins Idaho.

Resonses?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2016 11:59 PM (KYO8Z)

156 In Israel, women and children are stabbing joos every week.
Posted by: Feminist Bruce With a Feminist Wang! at March 08, 2016 11:56 PM (iQIUe)

Which is why I am afraid I don't get too het up about killing families of terrorists, even though I know it's wrong.

Decent people shouldn't get down in the mud and roll with savages, but at some point it's self-defense.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 08, 2016 11:59 PM (2PI7/)

157 Although he may already be here as a hidden 'ron, Batman writer (and many other stories and characters, but he's best known for creating Bane in Batman) Chuck Dixon wrote this today about politics on Facebook:

MODERATOR: Our question for tonight's panelists: Depending on the results of today's primary how do plan to remark upon them?
PANELIST 1: I will say that if the frontrunner maintains his lead then he has the best shot at securing the nomination. If the polls were accurate I will remark on their effectiveness. If they're wrong I'll say that all polls are rubbish.
PANELIST 2: I plan to say the exact same thing only worded differently.
PANELIST 3: Same thing I will say only backwards will I say it.
PANELIST 4: I plan on saying the same thing only composed as a free verse and spoken through a whirling house fan so I sound like a robot beatnik.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:00 AM (39g3+)

158 I think an actual, declared war would make the "legalities" a bit more clear wouldn't they (the notion of "legal" with war makes me laugh, but there is a framework).

I'd be for just leveling Raqqa. Dropping fuel-air or whatever the hell makes the biggest bangs, enough to just reduce the place to rubble. Now would that be "illegal"?

If we did it in WWII, then we ought to be able to do it now.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at March 09, 2016 12:00 AM (dvuhZ)

159 President Bernie Sanders, the Great Democratic Socialist and wealth redistribution cheerleader, will live in a manner that most Americans can only dream about.

Posted by: Randy Westerfeld at March 08, 2016 11:56 PM (zp6Kj)

Seriously. If he really believed in the benevolence of socialism, he'd move among the common people without any security. Everyone loves it, right?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 09, 2016 12:00 AM (4ErVI)

160 Posted by: logprof at March 08, 2016 11:59 PM (COlmU)

Why are you putting this here?

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 09, 2016 12:00 AM (pAlYe)

161 Considering a new ONT rule...
The primary rule of ONT club is that you don't talk about primaries on ONT club.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 09, 2016 12:00 AM (WOyz5)

162 Bernie couldn't fight off a rabid rabbit, much like is predecessor

Posted by: Chicago Vota at March 09, 2016 12:00 AM (3T0tP)

163 question..
what is

^H^H

???

no way googling that.......

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:00 AM (Onoqd)

164 So I was banned?

Cool.

Posted by: sexypig at March 09, 2016 12:00 AM (dZQh7)

165 142 giddy that the bullshit daylight saving whatever is about to end and it's warm out.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA

It doesn't start until Sunday.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 08, 2016 11:54 PM (FkBIv)

No, Daylight Savings Time is about to START. We're on real time now. I hate DST.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 08, 2016 11:57 PM (2PI7/)

I just know I leave work and walk in the sun and it's nice enough to finish my workout outside.

Not going to say I have SAD but I HATE the dark and cold of winter.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 12:00 AM (hlMPp)

166 "Responces"

Dammit.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 12:00 AM (KYO8Z)

167 Name ten inventions that came out of the Islamic world over the past 100 years.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at March 09, 2016 12:01 AM (O4NI/)

168 Why are you putting this here?
That's what she said!

Posted by: michael scott at March 09, 2016 12:01 AM (WOyz5)

169 I like primary colors.

Primary education is important.

Anyone ever hear of the Australian band, Primary?

In astronomy, the Primary is the larger of two co-orbiting bodies.

I drew these thoughts from primary and secondary sources.

Posted by: mindful webworker - primarily pushing it at March 09, 2016 12:01 AM (gPTe0)

170 I may have the details wrong, but didn't the NCO's and sailors commandeer the Russian cruiser as part of the October Revolution?

That, after said cruiser had been ordered by the Czar's generals to fire on the massed revolutionary elements. IIRC, the ship's officers duly gave the orders, which were rejected, and the resulting mutiny ensued.

Someone with a better recall of the details would be most welcome to bring a refresher course to both me and Teh Horde.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 09, 2016 12:02 AM (McRlu)

171 If we did it in WWII, then we ought to be able to do it now.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at March 09, 2016 12:00 AM (dvuhZ)

You don't get it. That was against white people. That's ok. But when whitey beats up on brown, you get a frown.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 09, 2016 12:02 AM (4ErVI)

172 Banquet TV dinners

Ah Banquet. They've gotten smaller, and much more expensive. And they aced most of the actually tasty dinners. The selection is terrible and they're more an appetizer than a meal. The quality is still pretty bad.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:02 AM (39g3+)

173 Given the current question of: would american soldiers disobey orders to shoot women and children, I think they would disobey.

If you frame the question that way, I think most people here would agree. If you frame the question as, would american soldiers commit war crimes if ordered to? Then the discussion becomes more nebulous. "War Crimes" can cover a lot of territory these days.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 12:02 AM (iHjB5)

174 *sends a platonic hug Tammy's way*

**am definitely afraid of Thor**
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 08, 2016 11:58 PM (gyKtp)

LOL, you're safe with a hug!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 12:02 AM (2PI7/)

175 122 As for Kardashian... I can't remember where I saw it but some wag said
today the only picture she could take of herself that nobody has seen
yet would be if she swallowed the camera.

Heh. Yeah, her main claim to fame is starring in a sex tape -- Yet places like Daily Mail go on and on about her daring exposure of cleavage.

Really? How about her daring fellatio skillz? Surely those too are worthy of comment.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 09, 2016 12:02 AM (gyKtp)

176 After 100 posts, it's all fair game.

Posted by: logprof at March 09, 2016 12:02 AM (COlmU)

177 Apparently whatever I said on 146, which I don't remember, so probably I should be happy its gone.

Posted by: sexypig at March 09, 2016 12:02 AM (dZQh7)

178 167 "Name ten inventions that came out of the Islamic world over the past 100 years."

The only one that I can think of is the prayer mat that counted how many time you banged your forehead on the floor.

Posted by: rabidfox at March 09, 2016 12:03 AM (EW9tX)

179 Wait, was it my preference for a brand of pot pies?

Posted by: sexypig at March 09, 2016 12:03 AM (dZQh7)

180 Name ten inventions that came out of the Islamic world over the past 100 years.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz!

Homicidal bombing.

Copper formed EDs.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 09, 2016 12:03 AM (A/3fN)

181 Once I got into the military, I started to wonder why the US made such a big thing about the Germans following orders. As if they had a choice. But it was just a way to find them (the lower ranks) guilty of the Holocaust.

That situation exists in every military and anyone who tries to tell you different is lying. They will obey their orders.

You are TRAINED to obey orders and there are sometimes senior NCO's on the battle field with orders to shoot anyone who doesn't obey those orders. (well maybe nowadays during semi peacetime they just cuff you and send you back to HQ)

But that's always been one of the reasons for NCO's. They are there to see that the orders are carried out and to enforce discipline. It's not so blatant as I've written but at times in war that's what has happened. Who can tell on the battle field just exactly how someone dies without an investigation and there usually was no investigation of individual deaths? It was assumed the enemy made the kill or it was 'friendly/accidental' fire.

Another reason why I laugh at these guys on gun blogs saying that the military won't fire on civilians. Or the Police.

They really don't understand what they're talking about.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 09, 2016 12:03 AM (Xo1Rt)

182
Name ten inventions that came out of the Islamic world over the past 100 years.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz!

Clock.Clock.Clock.Clock.Clock.Clock.Clock.Clock.Clock.Clock.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 09, 2016 12:04 AM (FkBIv)

183 "Your afternoons of frolic and fun are OVER!"

so is staying up late and sleeping in...

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 09, 2016 12:04 AM (kaPZB)

184 Posted by: mindful webworker - primarily pushing it at March 09, 2016 12:01 AM (gPTe0)

Long Debra in your future.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 12:04 AM (hlMPp)

185 Name ten inventions that came out of the Islamic world over the past 100 years.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz!

More to the point: name any invention/discovery that was actually made in the muslim world, not invented/discovered elsewhere and claimed by muslims.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at March 09, 2016 12:04 AM (yNome)

186 176 After 100 posts, it's all fair game.
Posted by: logprof at March 09, 2016 12:02 AM (COlmU)

that might not be true for certain values of 100 tonight.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 09, 2016 12:04 AM (TqXWc)

187 so 71 years after WW2, you know a big fookin war, Europe is being over run by unarmed invaders looking for the best welfare state to set up camp in?

??

I'm calling shots fired by 2019

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:04 AM (Onoqd)

188 question..
what is

^H^H

Ain't he a wrassler?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:04 AM (39g3+)

189 >>>Name ten inventions that came out of the Islamic world over the past 100 years.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at March 09, 2016 12:01 AM (O4NI/)<<<

I invented clocks!

Posted by: The Amazing Ahmed at March 09, 2016 12:05 AM (H9MG5)

190 "Name ten inventions that came out of the Islamic world over the past 100 years."

-
The IED.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 09, 2016 12:05 AM (Nwg0u)

191 127 I thought the rules around here were that everyone just moved to the new thread and carried on. Not advocating that, I just thought that's how it worked.

Posted by: Rokshox at March 09, 2016 12:05 AM (Ap82b)

192 167 "Name ten inventions that came out of the Islamic world over the past 100 years."
The only one that I can think of is the prayer mat that counted how many time you banged your forehead on the floor.

Didn't they invent the Donkey bomb?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 09, 2016 12:05 AM (YJmuy)

193
@172

Banquet "Mexican Dinner".

Almost as good as Taco Bell...

Posted by: Randy Westerfeld at March 09, 2016 12:05 AM (zp6Kj)

194 Tammy, sometimes the family aren't terrorists themselves.

Like, my brother, please don't judge me for what he does.

Posted by: sexypig at March 09, 2016 12:05 AM (dZQh7)

195 Name ten inventions that came out of the Islamic world over the past 100 years.
................

drinking camel urine for medicinal purposes?

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:06 AM (Onoqd)

196 Who farted?
Posted by: Whoopie at March 08, 2016 11:34 PM (8aOqE)

No one farted. Heh.

Posted by: Whoopie Cushion at March 09, 2016 12:06 AM (O4NI/)

197 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 09, 2016 12:03 AM (Xo1Rt)

Fascinating. Thanks.

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 09, 2016 12:06 AM (R5HRU)

198 190 "Name ten inventions that came out of the Islamic world over the past 100 years."
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The IED.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 09, 2016 12:05 AM (Nwg0u)

Nope. There's nothing the jihadis have done that the IRA wasn't already doing decades before them.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 09, 2016 12:06 AM (pAlYe)

199 More to the point: name any invention/discovery that was actually made in the muslim world, not invented/discovered elsewhere and claimed by muslims.

Depending on the historian, algebra, the number 0, and a lot of those amazing geometric patterns they use in place of representational art. And the Koran is a work of literature - a crappy one, but it is part of world lit now.

The thing is, most of those can be technically laid at the feet of non-Muslims living in Muslim territory, so... not much, really.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:06 AM (39g3+)

200 An Oklahoma State congresscritter proposed ending Daylight Saving Time in the state.

I was hopeful, but not much.

Then I read that the proposal was to move Oklahoma to DST year-round. Effectively, putting us on Mountain Time.

*bangs head on desk*

It was squelched, anyway.

Posted by: mindful webworker - God put the sun straight up at Noon for a reason at March 09, 2016 12:06 AM (gPTe0)

201 "Name ten inventions that came out of the Islamic world over the past 100 years."

14) Cob-loggers.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 09, 2016 12:07 AM (A/3fN)

202
Charlie Sheen has a thing for Mrs. Butterworth?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot, 'Who Decides?' at March 09, 2016 12:07 AM (BK3ZS)

203 Name ten inventions that came out of the Islamic world over the past 100 years.
................

that guy who pisses in jars, then sells it as camel urine?

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:07 AM (Onoqd)

204 "Wait, was it my preference for a brand of pot pies?"

It's not the taste, it's the consistency.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 12:07 AM (KYO8Z)

205 Is this going to be a dragged-out Argument from Ignorance, or do you have on in mind?

Posted by: weft cut-loop
________________
"All officers are traitors" is a popular viewpoint around here. I find it cheap.
Lots more I could say, but, I thought I might approach the question analytically.
By all means, let's just get on with the name-calling.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 09, 2016 12:07 AM (xq1UY)

206 If they have to shoot women and children to save themselves, then hell yes I am fine with them shooting women and children.

Frankly, I am of the opinion than carpet bombing needs to make a major comeback. Stay on the carriers a gazillion miles away and level the country.

Rubble don't cause trouble is my mantra.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 12:07 AM (2PI7/)

207
I'm calling shots fired by 2019
Posted by: jake

Between who and whom?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 09, 2016 12:07 AM (FkBIv)

208 all the sub-continant Indians I know claim the arabs stole their numbering system

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:08 AM (Onoqd)

209 The thing is, most of those can be technically laid at the feet of non-Muslims living in Muslim territory, so... not much, really.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:06 AM (39g3+)

A lot of the things they take credit for were invented by Sabians, Zoroastrians, and Yazidis.

Now there are no more Sabians anywhere, and the Zoroastrians and Yazidis are nearly extinct.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 09, 2016 12:08 AM (HalrA)

210 167 Name ten inventions that came out of the Islamic world over the past 100 years.
Hell, name two?

Posted by: CMU VET at March 09, 2016 12:08 AM (ejB0r)

211 So, did that little shit, Clockboy, get to come home? Or is he still in some madrassah getting his little ass caned?

Posted by: Feminist Bruce With a Feminist Wang! at March 09, 2016 12:09 AM (iQIUe)

212 I'm calling shots fired by 2019
Posted by: jake

Between who and whom?
..............

does it matter?

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:09 AM (Onoqd)

213 "The IED."

Oh, no. People have been making booby-traps and powder bombs since the 1700s. Chinese before that.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 12:09 AM (KYO8Z)

214 Another reason why I laugh at these guys on gun blogs saying that the military won't fire on civilians. Or the Police.

I think at the very least, the presumption that the military would en masse turn and refuse orders if told to round up and/or attack Americans for rebelling against unconstitutional and immoral government is without merit and possibly even ridiculous.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:09 AM (39g3+)

215 I think I figured out the ban...will work harder to avoid.

Posted by: sexypig at March 09, 2016 12:10 AM (dZQh7)

216 Most defenders of Islam will usually point to advances or theories that came out from peoples very quickly after conquest. These peoples had not usually had a chance to marinate in the culture and thought modes that Islam seems to advance.

It just does not seem to be a very curious or inquisitive culture.

And as someone pointed out, it is hard to see where arab culture ends and Islamic culture begins.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 12:10 AM (iHjB5)

217 Hell, they genocided the Sabians twice. That takes effort. After the original religion was exterminated, a second group decided it might make a god loophole. "Hey, your book says Sabians are a People of the Book. Do you know any Sabians? Can you even tell us what they're like? I can, we're totally Sabians, yo."

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 09, 2016 12:10 AM (HalrA)

218 Just How Many Transferable Machine Guns Are There in the US?
According to the ATF: Pre 86 (transferables): 175,977

Goes a long way towards explaining why last time I saw an actual TRW M-14 on the market it sold for somewhere in the neighborhood of $34,000. Guess what, it ain't being used to hold up liquor stores.

Posted by: Heresolong at March 09, 2016 12:10 AM (ntIeo)

219 208 all the sub-continant Indians I know claim the arabs stole their numbering system

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:08 AM (Onoqd

Well apparently it is called Indo-Arabic or Hindu-Arabic numerals. So its probably true.

Posted by: buzzion at March 09, 2016 12:10 AM (zt+N6)

220 all the sub-continant Indians I know claim the arabs stole their numbering system

Then they should have kept a better eye on it.

You don't just leave things like base 10 lying around.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 09, 2016 12:11 AM (1xUj/)

221 Like, my brother, please don't judge me for what he does.
Posted by: sexypig at March 09, 2016 12:05 AM (dZQh7)

Oh I understand. I am technically opposed, truly.

Just saying that I can't be judging someone under extreme circumstances who might lose his shit in a rage because of something some goat fucking jihadi did.

But I agree that it shouldn't become SOP.

Generally speaking.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 12:11 AM (2PI7/)

222 No, Daylight Savings Time is about to START.

Let's just pick one or the other and stick with it.

Posted by: t-bird at March 09, 2016 12:11 AM (w35Hj)

223 There was an old WWII vet around here, nicknamed "Ol' Red". He was a legendary character and to explain that I'd have to go on for paragraphs. He fought on Okinawa, which got absolutely horrible, the depths of the human degradation of war.

And he told stories about what they did that would curdle your blood. The things he described would likely be considered "war crimes".

Shooting women and children? He did it. They all did it. According to what he said, the Japanese used women and children as human bombs, much like a suicide bomber of today. They'd put the explosives on them, the force then to run into a group of American GIs and detonate. If they didn't do it, they would be killed.

You couldn't show any mercy. If you did, you were dead, and he described deadpan shooting "them pretty Geisha girls". You could tell that was still eating him alive.

And he told of other things much worse.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at March 09, 2016 12:11 AM (dvuhZ)

224 Thing is the muzzles 'can't ' learn anything new because if it wasn't around during Mohammed's time it is forbidden.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 12:11 AM (hlMPp)

225 Evening horde.
How goes it this fine warm night.
*giddy that the bullshit daylight saving whatever is about to end and it's warm out.Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 08, 2016 11:53

Awesome here too, 71 in N IL. Tulips are coming up!

Is this the Gardening Thread?

Oh, no Toto...

Posted by: Farmer at March 09, 2016 12:11 AM (o/90i)

226 Muzzles = muzzies

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 12:12 AM (hlMPp)

227 all the sub-continant Indians I know claim the arabs stole their numbering system

Posted by: jake

Probably true, and might explain all of the effort they expended to get it back.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 09, 2016 12:12 AM (A/3fN)

228 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at March 09, 2016 12:11 AM (dvuhZ)

That's self preservation. I have little issue with that even though I cannot begin to imagine how he feels.

Christ what a horrible choice. Then again the Japanese were determined to string out the war and fight with bamboo if needed.

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 09, 2016 12:13 AM (R5HRU)

229 I'm thinkin that Okinawa was one of the reasons for dropping both nukes...

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:13 AM (Onoqd)

230 Ted Cruz - First in war, first in peace, and first in the hearts of White Supremacists
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 09, 2016 12:01 AM (kdS6q)

Unless "Ms" Cervix was quoting someone from MSNBC this is an example of why people retreat from this board and don't want to come back until after the election. Trump supporter just called the entire state of Idaho White supremacists?!!! It would be equally wrong, stupid, insulting and inane to inane to suggest that the entire state of MS is full of white supremacists because they voted for Trump.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 09, 2016 12:13 AM (w4NZ8)

231 189 >>>Name ten inventions that came out of the Islamic world over the past 100 years.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at March 09, 2016 12:01 AM (O4NI/)

1. Legalized sex with your deceased wife.
2. Religiously encouraged anal sex to help cram a bigger bomb up there later.
3. Bringing knives to gunfights.
4. Photoshop. At least, the API was apparently unaware of the existence of photoshop prior to muslim photojournalists using it.
5. Very, very realistic humanoid robots to drive car bombs.
6. Israeli spy squirrel detectors.
7. Israeli shape shifter detectors.
8. Tanks with pneumatic tires hidden under them.
9. Stuxnet malware removal tools. (Almost there.)
10. How to trade one American deserter for five valuable human assets of their own.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 09, 2016 12:13 AM (TqXWc)

232 Oh, no Toto...

Posted by: Farmer

Is it raining in africa?

.. one of these days I'll build up the courage to ask chique about that song...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 09, 2016 12:13 AM (A/3fN)

233
crap

Posted by: TexasDan at March 09, 2016 12:13 AM (TqXWc)

234 "Thing is the muzzles 'can't ' learn anything new because if it wasn't around during Mohammed's time it is forbidden. "

This. Claps.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 12:13 AM (KYO8Z)

235 all the sub-continant Indians I know claim the arabs stole their numbering system

There's good historical reason to think so. The problem is a lot of India was wiped out or lost, those old kingdoms swallowed by the jungle, so its really hard to be sure.

"All officers are traitors" is a popular viewpoint around here. I find it cheap.

I think Cdr Salamander's analysis is dead on, from my outsider, amateur point of view. You'd get good, principled, honorable officers who would refuse, and they'd be replaced by more malleable ones. Yes, morale and capability of the military would definitely suffer when promotion is by ideological adherence - the French suffered badly from that before Napoleon took over - but even a poor US military is a force I wouldn't want to face.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:14 AM (39g3+)

236 copper disk IEDs aren't anything new either: shaped charges for anti-armor use have been around since WW2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munroe_effect

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 09, 2016 12:14 AM (kaPZB)

237 crap

Well, if you think it'll help I can try.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 09, 2016 12:15 AM (YJmuy)

238 As far as DST, do like I do and set ONE clock to DST as a backstop.

I leave all my other clocks alone and remember to advance the hour shown until November.

It's a waste of time and it's known to cause people psych problems.

Who benefits from it, I'd like to know.

As to war crimes. A war crime is never spoken in orders as a war crime.

You may be told that an entire village or building is full of rebels. And you've been taking fire all day and some of your buddies are dead or dying so you take that building and when confronted with a woman or child with a weapon, you will shoot them dead without a thought. (that comes later and is the reason for many soldiers PTSD.)

And this has happened since the first war ever occurred.

It's not pleasant but look at Israel and the Palis. The Palis women and children are far more vicious than the men seem to be. They have no problem stabbing and rocking or shooting Israelis, I guarantee you. Should you let them go because of their age or they have vagina when you know they'll be shooting at you tomorrow?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 09, 2016 12:15 AM (Xo1Rt)

239 Night all.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 12:15 AM (KYO8Z)

240 156
In Israel, women and children are stabbing joos every week.

Posted by: Feminist Bruce With a Feminist Wang! at March 08, 2016 11:56 PM (iQIUe)

Which is why I am afraid I don't get too het up about killing families of terrorists, even though I know it's wrong.

Decent people shouldn't get down in the mud and roll with savages, but at some point it's self-defense.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 08, 2016 11:59 PM (2PI7/)

I'm all for bombing the funerals.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 12:15 AM (EzgxV)

241 Guess what, it ain't being used to hold up liquor stores.
Valu-Rite distilleries???

Posted by: andycanuck at March 09, 2016 12:15 AM (WOyz5)

242 Winston Churchill, 1899 :

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

This cannot be quoted in Britain. It is considered a hate crime.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 09, 2016 12:16 AM (gyKtp)

243 .. one of these days I'll build up the courage to ask chique about that song...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 09, 2016 12:13 AM (A/3fN)

Already have it in my head.

Thanks.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 12:17 AM (hlMPp)

244 Name ten inventions that came out of the Islamic world over the past 100 years.

Barack Hussein Obama's qualifications.

Posted by: t-bird at March 09, 2016 12:17 AM (w35Hj)

245 supporter just called the entire state of Idaho White supremacists?!!!

.................

^this is true. Even all the non-white people are white supremisits

Idaho is full, tell all your friends.

don't bother moving here.

Only Boise has electricity, and flush toilets are too expensive to pay for

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:17 AM (Onoqd)

246 And as someone pointed out, it is hard to see where arab culture ends and Islamic culture begins.

Its basically codified Arabic culture built around a layman's vague recollection of Jewish and Christian religion. There really isn't any difference. And like Confucianist China, advancement, innovation, ambition, and new ideas are very suppressed and lacking.

Shooting women and children? He did it. They all did it.

They had to do it in Vietnam, too. Some cultures have so little regard for life, they force death upon others.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:17 AM (39g3+)

247 The clock in my truck will soon be correct again. Procrastination pays a dividend.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 09, 2016 12:18 AM (oFSUK)

248 I think Cdr Salamander's analysis is dead on, from my outsider, amateur point of view. You'd get good, principled, honorable officers who would refuse, and they'd be replaced by more malleable ones. Yes, morale and capability of the military would definitely suffer when promotion is by ideological adherence - the French suffered badly from that before Napoleon took over - but even a poor US military is a force I wouldn't want to face.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:14 AM (39g3+)

Also note the conditions embedded in his discussion. If the JAG or DoJ provide some kind of fig leaf, it's much harder to imagine officers rejecting an order en masse. After all sometimes there are ugly things to be done that are not actually illegal.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 09, 2016 12:19 AM (pAlYe)

249 >>>no way googling that.......

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:00 AM (Onoqd)

***
Backspace.

Jeez. Kids these days.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 09, 2016 12:19 AM (1zS3A)

250 Night Ricardo.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 12:19 AM (hlMPp)

251 1. Legalized sex with your deceased wife.

.................

Hey!
There is a six hour rule

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:19 AM (Onoqd)

252 167 Name ten inventions that came out of the Islamic world over the past 100 years.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at March 09, 2016 12:01 AM (O4NI/)

1. Suicide belts
2. IEDs
3. Truck bombs

OK, I've run out of ideas.

Posted by: rickl at March 09, 2016 12:19 AM (sdi6R)

253 Unless "Ms" Cervix was quoting someone from MSNBC this is an example of why people retreat from this board and don't want to come back until after the election. Trump supporter just called the entire state of Idaho White supremacists?!!! It would be equally wrong, stupid, insulting and inane to inane to suggest that the entire state of MS is full of white supremacists because they voted for Trump.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke
That's a comment mocking Ace for tying white supremacists to Trump about 3 thread below this one.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 09, 2016 12:19 AM (WOyz5)

254 Recently started re-watching "Kolchak: the Night Stalker". It's holding up remarkably wellfor a 70s tv series.

Posted by: Darth Randall at March 09, 2016 12:19 AM (KlVdw)

255 So, Trump had Trump steaks, Trump water, and Trump wine at his presser.

Except the Trump steaks were from a local store, and not his brand at all.

Look, Trump guys, I get it. I love his message - but this guy has no compulsion to attempt to fake this.

What else is he faking?

Maybe he's faking "hand picked" professors?

Maybe he's faking have a foreign policy team.

Doesn't mean some of his ideas are good.

Trumpism, but not Trump.

Posted by: sexypig at March 09, 2016 12:19 AM (dZQh7)

256 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at March 09, 2016 12:11 AM (dvuhZ)

I have no problem with that kind of killing. I doubt anyone does, and God grant them peace for doing what they had to do. Hell, I understand why they take trophies, too, even though I think it's gross.

Rape is what appalls me. There is never an excuse for that.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 12:19 AM (2PI7/)

257 Frankly, I am of the opinion than carpet bombing needs to make a major comeback. Stay on the carriers a gazillion miles away and level the country.

Its a choice of spreading it out over time or getting it all over with at once. If you reduce a nation to rubble the horror and shock of what came to them because of their actions will tend to prevent future repetition of what caused it. But the death is all front-loaded.

If you carefully avoid civilian deaths, precisely guide attacks, and surgically strike only military targets, you avoid those nasty civilian casualties, but drag out the war for ages because the people of the nation do not grow weary of it for a long time, if ever.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:21 AM (39g3+)

258 Posted by: sexypig at March 09, 2016 12:19 AM (dZQh7)

Question: Do I look like a bitch?

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 09, 2016 12:21 AM (pAlYe)

259 You know you would think when the guy in charge of the ONT says to take the Primary talk downstairs, and even gives some assholes a direct notice, they would stop.

Posted by: buzzion at March 09, 2016 12:21 AM (zt+N6)

260 Fuck off, sexypig, troll.

See you tomorrow.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 09, 2016 12:21 AM (WOyz5)

261 osted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:17 AM (Onoqd)

Well, I don't think that. t's "Ms." Cervix and poster Skeexic who think that. After reading that ***** I decided to bail on the thread in case there were any others who thought that. Election season going well so far

Sigh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 09, 2016 12:22 AM (w4NZ8)

262 G'nite, all -- off to the salt mines.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 09, 2016 12:22 AM (gyKtp)

263 Those two chicks fighting are like redbanzai and kari.

But kari says she's a man so forget it.

Posted by: eleven at March 08, 2016 11:30 PM (qUNWi)

w00t! we've got our own meme

Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 12:22 AM (NPofj)

264 This cannot be quoted in Britain. It is considered a hate crime.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 09, 2016 12:16 AM (gyKtp)

But, but... The Crusades!

Have to love Churchill.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 12:22 AM (iHjB5)

265 Question: Do I look like a bitch?

Posted by: Maetenloch
------------

I'm pretty sure that is the sound of the breech closing on the Banhammer.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 09, 2016 12:22 AM (oFSUK)

266 Posted by: buzzion at March 09, 2016 12:21 AM (zt+N6)

Sorry; I didn't see that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 09, 2016 12:22 AM (w4NZ8)

267 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 09, 2016 12:22 AM (w4NZ

It's all a mess. Just hang in there. This too will pass.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 09, 2016 12:22 AM (HalrA)

268 "...but even a poor US military is a force I wouldn't want to face."

the numbers are not on their side, and their logistics would be obscenely vulnerable. face to face combat with large units would be suicide, but there are lots of other options.

as i was fond of saying, back when i was in an Armored Cav squadron, the most vulnerable point on an M-1 or a Bradley is the fuel tankers in the LOGPAC.

without fuel, they're just really expensive, very vulnerable targets.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 09, 2016 12:23 AM (kaPZB)

269 The NCOs I know would shoot their officers rather than open fire on Americans. Most local police who live among us would not follow such orders.

Posted by: CMU VET at March 09, 2016 12:23 AM (ejB0r)

270
"Thing is the muzzles 'can't ' learn anything new because if it wasn't around during Mohammed's time it is forbidden. "

That accounts for their awesome skills using flush toilets.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot, 'Who Decides?' at March 09, 2016 12:23 AM (BK3ZS)

271 If the JAG or DoJ provide some kind of fig leaf, it's much harder to imagine officers rejecting an order en masse.

You'd still get some, because morality and general human decency will prevent some officers from carrying out, say, a massacre on protesting Tea Partiers with signs. But I suspect those guys would be weeded out pretty quickly.

Its a stupid, awful fantasy to imagine civil war in the USA. It would be stomped out horribly in short order, and things would be even worse because that would give them every excuse they needed to utterly demolish the constitution and everything the nation ever stood for.

Those people can't have guns. Or speech. Or freedom.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:24 AM (39g3+)

272 I won't just ban you. I'll ban your wife, your kids, your friend, burn down your house and piss on the ashes!

Posted by: William Munny at March 09, 2016 12:24 AM (d9C8q)

273 You could make a case for killing the family that's the recipient of the huge cash rewards for terrorism in Israel. A utilitarian case, not a moral one. And better still to drone-strike the payer, not the payee.
The philosophical distinction not being held in his big, strong hands.

MacBeth is kind of a chore, no surprise there. The photography is excellent, and they seem to capture all the little emotions of the horrifying plot.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 09, 2016 12:24 AM (VdICR)

274
Sorry; I didn't see that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 09, 2016 12:22 AM (w4NZ

Not you.

Posted by: buzzion at March 09, 2016 12:25 AM (zt+N6)

275 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:09 AM (39g3+)

Dream on. First off, it would not be framed that way.

They would not tell them to attack defenseless men and women marching on DC. There would be no need to as those crowds could be controlled by other means.

But if an armed group were marching to DC? That's an entire different ball game.

And you're assuming what you call an unconstitutional and immoral government may not be what most of the soldiers think. Or have been told. And even so, once again, training and unit peer pressure will not allow them to desert. That's why I said people don't understand how the military works and why men (and maybe women) will fight. Much of the time they GO into the military for patriotic reasons but the continue to fight because their friend, their buddies are there fighting. And they won't usually turn their backs on their buddies. That's part of their training. You learn to rely on the guys in your unit because if you can't, you're dead and if they can't rely on you you're dead.

And thus an American Army will kill armed American citizens if necessary.

Didn't MacArthur lead the units against the vets who were attacking DC at the turn of the 20th century? Or was it Eisenhower? Eisenhower was staff to MacArthur maybe.

But if they didn't kill anyone, they were prepared to.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 09, 2016 12:25 AM (Xo1Rt)

276 On a happier note, I think Gary Kasparov is great. Thanks for the quote.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 09, 2016 12:25 AM (w4NZ8)

277 On a happier note, I think Gary Kasparov is great. Thanks for the quote.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 09, 2016 12:25 AM (w4NZ8

I agree...)

Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 12:26 AM (/dSsq)

278 I'm all for bombing the funerals.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 12:15 AM (EzgxV)

Target rich environments!

Have I mentioned that you're my pick for Sec of Treasury, Head of OMB, and IRS Chief in my Empire of Jeff/Alex the Chick Administration?

Then when you've got them all straightened out/abolished, you can fix/abolish the Fed.

You're welcome.

And thank you.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 12:26 AM (2PI7/)

279 On a happier note, I think Gary Kasparov is great. Thanks for the quote.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 09, 2016 12:25 AM (w4NZ

Gary Kasparov IS great.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 12:26 AM (NPofj)

280
Gary Kasparov for President!

Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 12:27 AM (/dSsq)

281
Rape is what appalls me. There is never an excuse for that.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 12:19 AM (2PI7/)

A rapist mindset is fucked beyond saving. That mindset is the very lowest base evolution. A rapist deserves worse than a murderer in my opinion.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 12:27 AM (hlMPp)

282 One just has to remember what happened to the Bonus Army camping out in DC. Officers like MacArthur and Eisenhower cleared out their camp.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 09, 2016 12:28 AM (iu2sO)

283 Although he may already be here as a hidden 'ron, Batman writer (and many other stories and characters, but he's best known for creating Bane in Batman) Chuck Dixon wrote this today about politics on Facebook:

MODERATOR: Our question for tonight's panelists: Depending on the results of today's primary how do plan to remark upon them?
PANELIST 1: I will say that if the frontrunner maintains his lead then he has the best shot at securing the nomination. If the polls were accurate I will remark on their effectiveness. If they're wrong I'll say that all polls are rubbish.
PANELIST 2: I plan to say the exact same thing only worded differently.
PANELIST 3: Same thing I will say only backwards will I say it.
PANELIST 4: I plan on saying the same thing only composed as a free verse and spoken through a whirling house fan so I sound like a robot beatnik.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:00 AM

Oh damn, you've uncovered me!

But this is on the ONT, no one will see it. Just like the emails on Hills illegal sever.

Posted by: Farmer at March 09, 2016 12:28 AM (o/90i)

284 Dream on. First off, it would not be framed that way.

I think we're agreeing. Aren't we?

However, there is this to consider: all that was true back in 1776, and an awful lot of British soldiers serving in the USA said "You know what? They're right" and joined the continental army. So who knows.

I just think history teaches us that revolt almost always ends up as bad as or worse than what it fought against.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:28 AM (39g3+)

285 271
Its a stupid, awful fantasy to imagine civil war in the USA. It would be stomped out horribly in short order, and things would be even worse because that would give them every excuse they needed to utterly demolish the constitution and everything the nation ever stood for.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:24 AM (39g3+)

That would make the government wholly and utterly illegitimate.

Then it's game on. "When in the course of human events..."

Posted by: rickl at March 09, 2016 12:28 AM (sdi6R)

286 Gary Kasparov for President!

Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 12:27 AM (/dSsq)

Nope... still Cruz for President!

Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 12:29 AM (NPofj)

287 osted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:17 AM (Onoqd)

Well, I don't think that.....

Sigh.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 09, 2016 12:22 AM (w4NZ

+++++++++++++

it's ok

but tell everyone ID is full

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:29 AM (Onoqd)

288
Didn't MacArthur lead the units against the vets who were attacking DC at the turn of the 20th century?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 09, 2016 12:29 AM (FkBIv)

289 Another thing Ol' Red told, and this would not be remotely self-preservation (Ol' Red has been long gone, probably 15 years by now): And this is gruesome and I have no independent idea if it's true, only what he said.

He had already become pretty grizzled at the time, but he smelled something cooking, something he thought smelled delicious. He found the source with some GIs stirring a big pot over a fire.

When he looked in the pot, he started puking his guts out, all the more so by the fact he thought it smelled good.

They were attempting to make shrunken heads out of dead Japanese enemy. They wanted to wear them around the necks to try to freak out the enemy when they engaged. And believe me, when they "engaged" it was up close and personal, and absolute savagery.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at March 09, 2016 12:30 AM (dvuhZ)

290 I have no illusions that anyone under the right circumstances wouldn't kill anyone else, that's for damn sure.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 12:30 AM (2PI7/)

291 Isn't the Primary Thread whichever post Ace types a + 5,000 word movie review?

*innocent look*

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 09, 2016 12:30 AM (McRlu)

292 That would make the government wholly and utterly illegitimate.

Then it's game on. "When in the course of human events..."

Posted by: rickl at March 09, 2016 12:28 AM (sdi6R)

Very dangerous. You go first.

Posted by: Sallah at March 09, 2016 12:30 AM (3TKkF)

293 I just think history teaches us that revolt almost always ends up as bad as or worse than what it fought against.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:28 AM (39g3+)

Yes, sometimes necessary though. Horrible, and not something I advocate or desire.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 12:31 AM (iHjB5)

294 "I'm all for bombing the funerals."

i'm all for burying their bodies at sea with no records kept.

hard to have a martyr celebration without the props...

don't even announce that they're dead, just disappear them.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 09, 2016 12:31 AM (kaPZB)

295 crud, muzzies still have the left hand, right hand thing.

It is not like toilet paper and soap have not been around for 100+ years

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:32 AM (Onoqd)

296 If it wasn't for the conquests of Spain and India, where would Islamic art and math be?

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 09, 2016 12:33 AM (iu2sO)

297 What I think is evil is that from youth, Muslim boys are taught that women are constantly a seductive, overpowering sexual force that must restrain their oozing sexuality and hide themselves or they will wreck men. Its never a man's fault when he gropes, assaults, and rapes a woman; it was her being so sexy he couldn't help himself. So a woman in a swimsuit: total rape bait.

They're raised to think that and only that, without question or the capacity to question it. So it is inevitable that they go rape women, or girls, who aren't covered in shapeless bags and escorted by men.

And that is just institutionalized evil.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:33 AM (39g3+)

298 Speaking of chess wizards, ie. Gary Kasparov. I watched "Pawn Sacrifice" with Tobey Maguire last night. That was a good film and good acting. Too bad Bobby Fischer went nuts-anti semiotic and saying that Americans deserved 9/11 because of their support for Israel and their lack of support for the Palestinians

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 09, 2016 12:33 AM (w4NZ8)

299 Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 12:27 AM (hlMPp)

If it weren't for bitches who lie about such things, I'd say it should be a capital offense for sure.

Done under color of uniform, and proven beyond doubt?

Torture the mother fucker, then kill him slow.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 12:33 AM (2PI7/)

300 anti Semiotic=Anti Semetic. I think that was a Pixy error, not my admittedly often creative typos

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 09, 2016 12:35 AM (w4NZ8)

301 If it wasn't for the conquests of Spain and India, where would Islamic art and math be?
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 09, 2016 12:33 AM (iu2sO)

BC
.
.
Before Crayon

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:35 AM (Onoqd)

302 What happens when hrc(COW) (champion of women) wins? How many women interns ? How many staffers? Are. They lesbians? If so, is there cake baking?? Problems! Sad! Nevahdrumph!

Posted by: Heddy at March 09, 2016 12:36 AM (KlMn1)

303 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:28 AM (39g3+)

Yeah, a later comment you made did but I was answering a previous one.

I just hear that said by folks that do not understand the military. Either they haven't been in or they were not in a line company. (I'm sure there are some that were and still believe that because they think that armed force on US soil would somehow make a difference but I doubt it very strongly)

The Government would have to be very obviously tyrannical and oppressive. But by that time most of the soldiers who would balk at shooting civilians would've have been weeded out or quit because they could tell what was coming.

I pray we do not have to find this out the hard way.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 09, 2016 12:36 AM (Xo1Rt)

304 As a youngster, I saw pix of bodies left hanging on the barbed wire at the Berlin wall. People risking all to get out. Was easy to figure out the Reds ran a great big prison.

For all my political meanderings of the subsequent half-century and more, I never forgot that lesson.

and now...

good night, gentlepeoples. Liberty!

Posted by: mindful webworker - z at March 09, 2016 12:37 AM (gPTe0)

305 crud, muzzies still have the left hand, right hand thing.

It is not like toilet paper and soap have not been around for 100+ years
Posted by: jake

It's worse than that. Even cavemen knew to use a leaf or a handful of grass instead of their bare hand.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at March 09, 2016 12:37 AM (d9C8q)

306 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at March 09, 2016 12:30 AM (dvuhZ)

Eh, they were dead already. That sort of thing doesn't especially bother me for some reason. I mean, ick factor, yes, but...

Did I mention I was raised in a pack of wolves??

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 12:37 AM (2PI7/)

307 IF the mutt is popping an AK at our troops but is wearing no recognized uniform, well gee guess what neither the Geneva or Hague things protects that mutt. So yes you can summarily shoot them as a spy.

We need to stop playing nicer than the Marquis of Queensbury rules gig and prove we can be so evil they never ever want to annoy us for at least 300 years.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 09, 2016 12:37 AM (iu2sO)

308 where would Islamic art and math be?

Maybe the geometry would have developed, but algebra almost certainly would not have.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:37 AM (39g3+)

309 . I think that was a Pixy error, not my admittedly often creative typos
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

*looks around*

Apparently no one was harmed.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 09, 2016 12:38 AM (1xUj/)

310 Even cavemen knew to use a leaf or a handful of grass instead of their bare hand.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig
---------------

This is about me again, isn't it?

Posted by: Shredded Wheat at March 09, 2016 12:39 AM (oFSUK)

311 Yeah apparently the Quesachhaderach FenelonSpoke did not kill anyone with that word.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 09, 2016 12:39 AM (iu2sO)

312 Apparently no one was harmed.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 09, 2016 12:38 AM (1xUj/)

Well except the Semiotes. But you know... :-)

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 09, 2016 12:40 AM (pAlYe)

313 We need to stop playing nicer than the Marquis of Queensbury rules gig and prove we can be so evil they never ever want to annoy us for at least 300 years.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 09, 2016 12:37 AM (iu2sO)

I think you shall be my Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 12:41 AM (2PI7/)

314 I was going to try to do a clever response based on semiotics but I don't understand them well enough to make a good stab at it. Something to do with symbols in communication.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:41 AM (39g3+)

315 Hygiene is bad in the ME and other places because of water.

The lack thereof.

People have no idea what most of the rest of the world is like climate wise and geologically.

Here in the US, Europe, Russia and other places we have an abundance of ground water.

Many, many other places don't. It's the reason why Australia is so small in numbers. All the settlement is at the coasts because there's very little water to support a large population inland.

The US is very favorably placed geologically and geographically.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 09, 2016 12:42 AM (Xo1Rt)

316 Yeah apparently the Quesachhaderach FenelonSpoke did not kill anyone with that word.
Posted by: Anna
------------

Yeah, well, I'm not taking any chances.
*dons typo-resistant suit, fabricated from Grammar-Check CD's*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 09, 2016 12:42 AM (oFSUK)

317
Torture the mother fucker, then kill him slow.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 12:33 AM (2PI7/)

1,207th why I like you.

And not looking for an answer here but my mind can't wrap around rape. Different species, different mindset. I don't know. Sorry for the scenario...but how can someone get 'erect' or perform doing that. Like I said, not looking for answers. Different than all that I've known. Sickening.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 12:43 AM (hlMPp)

318 The lack of water and tree may make that whole toilet paper thing tough. So get out of the sand... but not here, not in europe, not in asia... capish

Posted by: Paul Bunyan at March 09, 2016 12:43 AM (12kBq)

319 1,207th reason

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 12:43 AM (hlMPp)

320 *twitch-twitch-twitch*

http://www.ufunk.net/insolite/drag-queen-cartoon/

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 09, 2016 12:45 AM (iu2sO)

321 Canada's PM Trudeau just said that being open to and respectful of Islam will defuse Islamic terrorism. He's coming to meet with Obama if he hasn't already. God bless and protect Canada.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 09, 2016 12:45 AM (w4NZ8)

322 Night Midful

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 12:45 AM (hlMPp)

323 And it's been a long day. Early work meeting and then a visitation after work.

Hope the best for BC's grandfather, keep him in your prayers.

Be well you Morons.

Posted by: Farmer at March 09, 2016 12:45 AM (o/90i)

324 F I hate this ipad.

Night Mindful

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 12:45 AM (hlMPp)

325 I was going to try to do a clever response based on semiotics but I don't understand them well enough to make a good stab at it. Something to do with symbols in communication.

You have to look at semiotics heuristically, with epistemological considerations subordinated to the ontological.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 09, 2016 12:46 AM (1xUj/)

326 224 Thing is the muzzles 'can't ' learn anything new because if it wasn't around during Mohammed's time it is forbidden.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 12:11 AM (hlMPp)

I worked in the middle east during the 80s and 90s and that was what they told us, as a reason why so many things were forbidden - especially in Saudi. (The coastal Emirates, Yemen, and Oman were more tolerant.) As far as I know, though, Mohammed did not speak about rifles or Toyota pickup trucks, but every damn Saudi male had at least one of each.

The point of my first post was that Arab culture was buzzin' along pretty well until Mohammed got his hands on it.

Posted by: Whoopie Cushion at March 09, 2016 12:46 AM (O4NI/)

327 Night Farmer

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 12:46 AM (hlMPp)

328 Have we received any late news re BC's grandfather?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 09, 2016 12:46 AM (oFSUK)

329 Well, actually it doesn't *really* bother me, either. I wouldn't do it, just too damn gruesome and I'd make myself sick (well, unless I was transformed by the same savage conditions Red and his buddies were, which is a big thing).

As you said above, rape is a big one. If I were a commander and any of my men did that, I shoot 'em pretty much on the spot (would follow the proper procedure for that under wartime conditions).

But I think the shrunken head thing would be a "desecration of corpses" or some similiar wording, and is probably a "war crime" or close to it under the various treaties.

Did some of our guys get in big trouble for just pissing on corpses in Afghanistan, with much wringing of hands?

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at March 09, 2016 12:47 AM (dvuhZ)

330 318
The lack of water and tree may make that whole toilet paper thing tough.
So get out of the sand... but not here, not in europe, not in asia...
capish

Posted by: Paul Bunyan at March 09, 2016 12:43 AM (12kBq)

I still remember the Rodney Dangerfield comedy special that introduced me to Sam Kinison -- "You see this? You know what this is? This is SAND! Nothing grows here, nothing is gonna grow here....because it's SAND! You need to MOVE WHERE THE FOOD IS!!!"

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 12:48 AM (EzgxV)

331 side note.

War Crimes was not a term until 1945

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:49 AM (Onoqd)

332 Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 12:43 AM (hlMPp)

I think it's mainly a power trip. The power arouses them, seeing someone afraid. It's pathetic.

S&M/B&D is all about power, too, although no one is forced (who doesn't want to be anyway!

) but power is apparently a huge aphrodisiac for many.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 12:49 AM (2PI7/)

333 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 09, 2016 12:46

Don't know what's going on but prayers regardless but last I saw the news seemed to be positive. That was around 3pm.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 12:50 AM (hlMPp)

334 That Dangerfield comedy special was one of the drop dead funniest things I've ever seen in my entire life. It was packed with some of the most talented, amazing and raw comedians ever spliced with bizarre and hilarious bits showing a different side of Rodney. His Sherlock Holmes chewing out Watson was just so funny it hurt.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:50 AM (39g3+)

335 331
side note.

War Crimes was not a term until 1945

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:49 AM (Onoqd)

Sherman sure as hell didn't believe in the concept.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 12:50 AM (EzgxV)

336 Germans during the 30 Years War - "War Crimes? Vas ist?"

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 09, 2016 12:52 AM (iu2sO)

337 but power is apparently a huge aphrodisiac for many.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 12:49 AM (2PI7/)

What she said.

Posted by: Henry Kissinger at March 09, 2016 12:52 AM (3eoPa)

338 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at March 09, 2016 12:47 AM (dvuhZ)

Yea, and cutting off fingers for trophies.

Which I mean, look, I know it's tacky and not the American way and all. And I don't think they should do it, I really don't.

But please. As long as they were dead before they cut their parts off, I could give two fucks.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 12:52 AM (2PI7/)

339
Oh, dear...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 09, 2016 12:52 AM (w35Hj)

340 Aztecs used to beat you with sticks until you surrendered, then cut your beating heart out with a flint knife.

that a war crime?

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:53 AM (Onoqd)

341 The Arabs will continue to exist, but they will not make the world better.

When did Arabs last make the world better, anyway? Believe me, Adunis, nobody is holding his breath.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 09, 2016 12:53 AM (sl+zA)

342 Did some of our guys get in big trouble for just pissing on corpses in Afghanistan, with much wringing of hands?

Posted by: publius

All of the above, which evinces, in a smart part, why we are a fundamentally unserious nation.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 09, 2016 12:54 AM (A/3fN)

343 I think its a very good thing that we try to fight without doing unnecessary harm to enemies, to treat the dead with respect, to protect innocents and bystanders, to destroy only military targets, and so on. That's not just noble, but it says something great about us as a people and a nation. We are the first country on earth that ever has fought a war with these incredibly high standards of behavior, to the point of replacing warheads on bombs with concrete to only nail a specific target and do minimal damage to its surroundings.

The problem is, we should have another setting. That kind of stuff is fine, if we're fighting a similarly noble and restrained enemy. If we fought, say, Spain, we could do that, and reasonably expect the same thing from the Spanish.

But we're not fighting that sort. So neither should we be restrained and noble. If you hide among the population, then the population will damn well suffer. If the civilians guard and shelter enemies then they are no longer off limits. We need to have those standards, but not be completely limited by them no matter who we fight.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:54 AM (39g3+)

344 Peter O'Toole berating Omar Sharif's character in Lawrence of Arabia, "You'll always remain a little people!"

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 09, 2016 12:54 AM (iu2sO)

345 I think it's mainly a power trip. The power arouses them, seeing someone afraid. It's pathetic.

S&M/B&D is all about power, too, although no one is forced (who doesn't want to be anyway! ) but power is apparently a huge aphrodisiac for many.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 12:49 AM (2PI7/)

Again, I don't know this species. That would do it by force.

Consensual BD/SM, yeah, fine. Although my conscious still told me.....ummm, nah. This ain't really right. And that was the flip side...power wasn't the aphrodisiac. The submit part was.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 12:55 AM (hlMPp)

346 The Arabs will continue to exist, but they will not make the world better.
------------

The paranoid remnants of a decayed society.

Posted by: Nat Lamp said it first. at March 09, 2016 12:55 AM (w35Hj)

347 side note.

War Crimes was not a term until 1945

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:49 AM (Onoqd)

And, to this day, is totally meaningless. There is no such thing as a "war crime". There are only winners and losers in war. The crimes are whatever the winners decide they are, which are usually anything the losers did.

I can't stand when people use the term "war crime". It ticks me off almost as much as "international law" which is the biggest farce of a concept that there is.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 09, 2016 12:56 AM (zc3Db)

348 Oh, dear...
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 09, 2016 12:52 AM (w35Hj)

++++++++++++

walking past the bait, bro

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:57 AM (Onoqd)

349 AP

How goes the working world?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 12:57 AM (hlMPp)

350 I was going to try to do a clever response based on semiotics but I don't understand them well enough to make a good stab at it. Something to do with symbols in communication.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor

Jeff G. has a few posts on that at ProteinWisdom.com

Never got the gist of it. but yeah...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 09, 2016 12:58 AM (A/3fN)

351 Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 12:53 AM (Onoqd)

Reckon I'd best go on record as saying I don't believe any of our soldiers, sailors, or Marines oughtta go around cutting the hearts out of anyone alive.

That would be wrong, and it crosses a line. Plus it's probably harder than it sounds, what with all the squirming and all.

But I probably wouldn't have clutched my pearls too hard had they done it to bin Laden.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 12:58 AM (2PI7/)

352 Umberto Eco didn't die of natural causes.

He was murdered by an anti-semiotic cabal.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 09, 2016 12:58 AM (noWW6)

353 Working world?

Yeah need to head to bed for that. Turn in another chapter also, managed to trim the chapter by about a third or 2,600 words.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 09, 2016 12:58 AM (iu2sO)

354 So, I was told to come here with my "wit and wisdom."

Sounds like a trap.

Posted by: sexypig at March 09, 2016 12:59 AM (dZQh7)

355 T.E. Lawrence: So long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people - greedy, barbarous, and cruel, as you are.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 09, 2016 12:59 AM (1xUj/)

356 I remember my history books, when only in the 4th grade, had very sharp, clear black & white pics of U.S. light tanks in the Pacific Theatre, replete with severed Japanese heads affixed thereto.

Those chapters were about how utterly savage and barbaric that war actually was. Our classroom history films had un-redacted scenes of G.I.s firing flame-throwers into Japanese pillboxes, followed by said Japanese soldiers running out, totally engulfed in flames, only to fall dying within about fifty feet, or be shot down in mid run.

Our history books were books of history, not of social jerrymandering.

If kids were taught such through the early years, we'd have a damn sight fewer special snowflakes seeking safe zones in their vaunted academies.

And yes. When you're fighting an enemy dedicated to total war, that's exactly what you'd better damn well give him, and in quantities and volume far greater than his ability to bear.

In other words, annihilate his ass, annihilate it again, and once more for good measure.

In those circumstances, I find no moral flaw in leveling entire cities.

Sherman had it right about how a fast, brutal and effective war actually made for less bloodshed in the long run.

We need to re-learn that lesson, then teach it again as remedial classes to our enemies.

Do that, and I'll sleep the sound sleep of the blessed. 'Cause protecting yours, mine and ours is our moral imperative, and protecting them and theirs, just isn't!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 09, 2016 12:59 AM (McRlu)

357 But I think the shrunken head thing would be a "desecration of corpses" or some similiar wording, and is probably a "war crime" or close to it under the various treaties.

If you read Sledge or Leckie, some pretty horrific things were done by Americans during the island fighting. Mostly in response to what the Japanese had been doing for a long time. This was never ordered or officially condoned but I suspect a good number of officers turned a blind eye to it so long as it happened out of sight and didn't affect operations.

It was an ugly, brutal fight in a nasty environment and you can't expect even good men to always behave like saints under those conditions

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 09, 2016 01:00 AM (pAlYe)

358 I think its a very good thing that we try to fight without doing unnecessary harm to enemies, to treat the dead with respect, to protect innocents and bystanders, to destroy only military targets, and so on.

That's a load of shit.

That's not just noble, but it says something great about us as a people and a nation. We are the first country on earth that ever has fought a war with these incredibly high standards of behavior, to the point of replacing warheads on bombs with concrete to only nail a specific target and do minimal damage to its surroundings.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 12:54 AM (39g3+)

This is ridiculous. It says nothing about us except that we're idiots. War is war. It should be horrible - and not just for the enemy's military but for all of them. Nations and peoples ought to think three times before they launch into a war, understanding that they are going to suffer terribly and not be able to go about their lives as we daintily pin-prick their military assets.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 09, 2016 01:01 AM (zc3Db)

359 Via Insty -- serious badass: http://www.timesofisrael.com/ stabbing-victim-pulls-knife-out -of-own-neck-kills-terrorist/

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 01:01 AM (EzgxV)

360 That's a comment mocking Ace for tying white supremacists to Trump about 3 thread below this one.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 09, 2016 12:19 AM (WOyz5)

Mock all you like but Ace is correct. Trump has lots of supporters who are upstanding human being but I stopped frequenting Breitbart because racist, vitriolic assholes that were all about Trump made the comments a very unpleasant place to be.

I don't blame Trump for those assholes but they exist nonetheless.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 01:02 AM (NPofj)

361 Posted by: sexypig at March 09, 2016 12:59 AM (dZQh7)

Nope. We're full up here.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 09, 2016 01:02 AM (pAlYe)

362 353 Working world?

Yeah need to head to bed for that. Turn in another chapter also, managed to trim the chapter by about a third or 2,600 words.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 09, 2016 12:58 AM (iu2sO)

Hope you didn't take that the wrong way and thought I implied that writing wasn't work.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 01:02 AM (hlMPp)

363 * being == beings

Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 01:03 AM (NPofj)

364 so is (dZQh7) a new fucko or a old fucko?

??

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 01:03 AM (Onoqd)

365 I think I kind of like Separation Anxiety. Iliza Schlesinger is quite good looking. And they gave her an even hotter sort of sidekick for it too.

Posted by: buzzion at March 09, 2016 01:03 AM (zt+N6)

366 Sherman sure as hell didn't believe in the concept.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 12:50 AM (EzgxV)

Sherman is why black eyed peas are considered good luck in the South, and why we eat them on New Year's. After the end of the war, the citizens of Atlanta and other areas in the path of Sherman's March to the Sea were going hungry. All of the crops, seeds, and livestock had been destroyed. In desperation, the people went foraging, looking for anything at all that they could eat...

And they discovered that he'd made a little mistake based on cultural assumptions. Black eyed peas were considered inedible by Northerners, suitable only for animal feed. Without animals, all the feed in the world was useless, so they left them alone. In the South, they had always been part of the lower class's diet. Almost the entire production of black eyed peas had gone untouched, silo after silo full of them were discovered, and these were the difference between life and death for tens of thousands of people.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 09, 2016 01:03 AM (J+mig)

367 336
Germans during the 30 Years War - "War Crimes? Vas ist?"

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 09, 2016 12:52 AM (iu2sO)

Great conflicts tend to last about 30 years and have two phases before war is burnt out of a populace -- first you kill the uprising, then you kill their sons.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 01:03 AM (EzgxV)

368 sexypig has been around awhile, just not lately.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 01:04 AM (2PI7/)

369 321
Canada's PM Trudeau just said that being open to and respectful of Islam
will defuse Islamic terrorism. He's coming to meet with Obama if he
hasn't already. God bless and protect Canada.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 09, 2016 12:45 AM (w4NZ

I hope God's up for it, because their leadership sure as hell isn't.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 09, 2016 01:04 AM (J+mig)

370 Sounds like a trap.

Posted by: sexypig at March 09, 2016 12:59 AM (dZQh7)

No you were not even asked. My bookie was giving odds on whether or not you would.

He was giving 3-2 against. I won a few bucks.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 01:05 AM (WVsWD)

371 Question: Do I look like a bitch?
Posted by: Maetenloch
------------
I'm pretty sure that is the sound of the breech closing on the Banhammer.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 09, 2016 12:22 AM

Yowzer, I just want to say I really like this
Meat Locker guy. Now can he get me another glass of wine?

Posted by: Farmer at March 09, 2016 01:08 AM (o/90i)

372 It's exhausting to be around people with shitty world-views.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 09, 2016 01:08 AM (VdICR)

373 364
so is (dZQh7) a new fucko or a old fucko?

??

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 01:03 AM (Onoqd)

Seems vaguely familiar. I'll go with "yes".

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 01:09 AM (EzgxV)

374 I miss Ol' Red and his like. Sadly, they're all gone around here. He had no education much beyond grade school, but he was truly *wise*, and he taught me a lot of things in his "coarse and vulgar" way.

I'll never forget some advice he gave me about fighting. And this was guy who knew real fighting, real savage, mortal combat (yeah, he told stories about burning them out of their defensive positions, burning them alive, and *relishing* their screams), where you either win or die right there.

He said do not hesistate if you're gonna fight. Don't "rooster" around, you know acting tough and slowly escalating, getting in a little "sissy pushing contest" first.

He said you maintain a poker face, pick out a spot on the guy's face and then hit that spot with everything you've fucking got. And you go like lightning, pummeling him after that first blow until he stops moving. Never give him a chance to hit you back.

When he got back from the War, he went absolutely wild, bar hopping and all that, and getting in fights. His ability was legend and they said he was indeed lightning. But he did meet his match and then some a few times, and he would tell about that just as honestly as the many he won.

And just like a cliche, it was the love of a woman that straightened him out. He married up to a girl from a prominent family. Her father and the rest were absolutely mortified. But she straightened him out and he became quite the pillar of the community.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at March 09, 2016 01:09 AM (dvuhZ)

375 Updated Delegate Count.

T 58
C 43

14 still unassigned

T +25 for the night so far.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 01:11 AM (WVsWD)

376 Black eyed peas are tasty. Especially prepared right and served with rice.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 01:11 AM (39g3+)

377 285 Last MONTH U.S. citizens bought enough firearms to outfit the whole U.S. military.

Posted by: MAx at March 09, 2016 01:11 AM (LAliD)

378 Beg pardon.

I meant to post downstairs.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 01:11 AM (WVsWD)

379

So long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people - greedy, barbarous, and cruel, as you are.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot, 'Who Decides?' at March 09, 2016 01:11 AM (BK3ZS)

380 I watched the "crazy vs. hot matrix" on youtube today

I thought it was funny, can't post youtube links here but funny 7 minute vid

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 01:12 AM (Onoqd)

381 380 I watched the "crazy vs. hot matrix" on youtube today

I thought it was funny, can't post youtube links here but funny 7 minute vid

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 01:12 AM (Onoqd)

If you scroll down below the video there is a share button that will provide you with a shortened link.

Posted by: buzzion at March 09, 2016 01:13 AM (zt+N6)

382 a-dios

Posted by: jake at March 09, 2016 01:14 AM (Onoqd)

383 'Night horde.

Have a blessed Wednesday.

Just remember to try and piss off some lefties tomorrow.

It's fun...and they're pussies so you're safe

*preps bacon, sausage, eggs, home fries and toast for breakfast at 6

**sneaks in and sets y'all's alarm clock for 7

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 09, 2016 01:14 AM (hlMPp)

384 285 Last MONTH U.S. citizens bought enough firearms to outfit the whole U.S. military.

Posted by: MAx

and/or supply every bad person south of the border that counts as a gun criminal when convenient and not a non-citizen when politically convenient.

Have a nice day, citizen.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 09, 2016 01:15 AM (A/3fN)

385
He said do not hesistate if you're gonna fight. Don't "rooster" around, you know acting tough and slowly escalating, getting in a little "sissy pushing contest" first.

As Tuco said in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly :

"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 09, 2016 01:17 AM (FkBIv)

386 374
I miss Ol' Red and his like. Sadly, they're all gone around here. He had
no education much beyond grade school, but he was truly *wise*, and he
taught me a lot of things in his "coarse and vulgar" way.

I'll
never forget some advice he gave me about fighting. And this was guy who
knew real fighting, real savage, mortal combat (yeah, he told stories
about burning them out of their defensive positions, burning them alive,
and *relishing* their screams), where you either win or die right
there.

He said do not hesistate if you're gonna fight. Don't
"rooster" around, you know acting tough and slowly escalating, getting
in a little "sissy pushing contest" first.

He said you maintain
a poker face, pick out a spot on the guy's face and then hit that spot
with everything you've fucking got. And you go like lightning, pummeling
him after that first blow until he stops moving. Never give him a
chance to hit you back.

When he got back from the War, he
went absolutely wild, bar hopping and all that, and getting in fights.
His ability was legend and they said he was indeed lightning. But he did
meet his match and then some a few times, and he would tell about that
just as honestly as the many he won.

And just like a cliche, it
was the love of a woman that straightened him out. He married up to a
girl from a prominent family. Her father and the rest were absolutely
mortified. But she straightened him out and he became quite the pillar
of the community.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at March 09, 2016 01:09 AM (dvuhZ)

He was exactly right, of course....and, yet, our Nation does "rooster around" again and again and again and again and again....

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 01:17 AM (EzgxV)

387 "It is good that war is so terrible, lest we become too fond of it." Col. R. E. Lee

And on that note...later roonz and roonettez, fear no evil!

Posted by: GGE of the Working Horde, NC Chapter at March 09, 2016 01:17 AM (30qi/)

388 Let's just be clear. If we plan on killing family members of terrorists, there is a dad, a mother, and a little 6 month baby in San Bernardino.

So, who's up for sending in Seal Team Six for some righteous vengeance?

Hopefully no one.

I could see deportation for the adults, maybe.

Posted by: sexypig at March 09, 2016 01:17 AM (dZQh7)

389 Nope. There's nothing the jihadis have done that the IRA wasn't already doing decades before them.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 09, 2016 12:06 AM (pAlYe)

The suicide bomb vest? IRA wasn't big on suicide as a tactic, IIRC. Now, they might have gone on missions that meant certain death, but not at their own hand. I'm sure that one or two counter-examples may exist, but it was surely not a routine IRA act.

OTOH, I believe the muzzies may have learned that stunt from the Tamils in Sri Lanka?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 01:21 AM (/i7Ua)

390 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at March 09, 2016 01:09 AM (dvuhZ)

What he said about roostering around reminds me of a principle I learned back in school.

Most people escalate in a predictable pattern. They start at threat level 1, the next guy responds with threat level 2, the first guy escalates to threat level 3...

Want to avoid a fight? When they reply with 2, go to 7. People tend to get unnerved and walk away.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 09, 2016 01:21 AM (J+mig)

391 You could deport the entire family

Congress could create legislation to strip citizenship and provide for a process to do so

Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 01:22 AM (zOTsN)

392 The best advice I heard about a fight is to first thing put your hands up in front of your chest, palms out and say very loudly "I DO NOT WANT TO FIGHT YOU" so that everyone around hears it, remembers, and knows that before the fight you were attempting to avoid conflict.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 01:22 AM (39g3+)

393 You never go full 7.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 09, 2016 01:23 AM (sl+zA)

394 Mama was complicit,so she can be dispatched with my blessing. I don't know about dad, he can live til they find out what he knew, and of course the baby should be left alone and adopted out to a non-Muslim family.

Perhaps the imam of their mosque could be a proxy for the baby, since last I heard, he was hardly innocent either,but I am not sure about the latest on him.

I say we get Ol Red's opinion on it, cuz he sounds like my kinda man.

I will say we probably should keep it off American soil, because the govt will start using it in other situations, like income tax evasion.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 01:25 AM (2PI7/)

395 I am an old fucko.

Posted by: sexypig at March 09, 2016 01:25 AM (dZQh7)

396 sexypig, sometimes you sound like raycon, but more lucid!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 01:27 AM (2PI7/)

397 396 Tammy

Talk about a low bar!

Posted by: speedster1 at March 09, 2016 01:28 AM (vUcdz)

398 I'll be honest. I bought beer. So, if I'm "more lucid" then that's a good thing.

Posted by: sexypig at March 09, 2016 01:29 AM (dZQh7)

399 There's nothing the jihadis have done that the IRA wasn't already doing decades before them.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 09, 2016 12:06 AM (pAlYe)

The big difference between the IRA and arab terrorism (not jihadi, but arab) was that the IRA confined their attacks to their actual enemies. The arab terrorists took their fight to disinterested third parties, in order to "interest" them. The arab terrorists shot up the Rome airport not because they had any problem with Italians but because they wanted to take their fight with Jews to non-Jews.

The whole point of arab terrorism in the 20th century was not about attacking your enemies but about attacking people who were not against your enemies in order to turn them against your enemies. The IRA never even bothered to try to pull such a lamebrained strategy ... because, to be honest, such a strategy only works against Jews, who most of the world are conditioned to hate, to begin with.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 09, 2016 01:29 AM (zc3Db)

400 396
sexypig, sometimes you sound like raycon, but more lucid!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 01:27 AM (2PI7/)

No matter how chummy you get with him, do not click his links.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 01:29 AM (EzgxV)

401 Posted by: speedster1 at March 09, 2016 01:28 AM (vUcdz)

I always had softspot for him.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 01:29 AM (2PI7/)

402 Posted by: sexypig at March 09, 2016 01:29 AM (dZQh7)

More lucid than raycon is not hard to do! (Hint: you will want to brush up on your Led Zepelin lyrics)

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 01:31 AM (2PI7/)

403 It's a lie the families don't know. They learn the philosophy at home and in the mosque. They know, sometimes they help, sometimes they hide

Kick the whole family out, like they kick families out of public housing if one is selling drugs

Go

Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 01:31 AM (zOTsN)

404 Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 01:29 AM (EzgxV)

I seldom click on links, but surely this inst ira?!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 01:32 AM (2PI7/)

405 Well, Horde..... tired time. Vulcan pillow meld, etc.

Hasta la nite nite, y'all!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 09, 2016 01:32 AM (McRlu)

406 Wait, wait, wait....I have links?

I'm not that conscientious!

Posted by: sexypig at March 09, 2016 01:32 AM (dZQh7)

407 Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 01:31 AM (zOTsN)

Hell, kick the whole mosque out.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 01:33 AM (2PI7/)

408 404
Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 01:29 AM (EzgxV)

I seldom click on links, but surely this inst ira?!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 01:32 AM (2PI7/)

I wish you'd stop calling me Shirley....

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 01:33 AM (EzgxV)

409 Kicking the whole family out might have a deterrent effect

Kick the whole family out

Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 01:34 AM (zOTsN)

410 I had lynx.

But I liked the bob-tail cat better.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 09, 2016 01:34 AM (1xUj/)

411 Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 01:33 AM (EzgxV)

Probably better than the way I pronounce your name!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 01:34 AM (2PI7/)

412 I am so tired, lovies, I have to get to bed.

Sleep well!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 01:36 AM (2PI7/)

413 Hmmm....It was there and then it was gone. A real blast from the past.

Posted by: Old Blue at March 09, 2016 01:37 AM (9iR5/)

414 Disappearing posts.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 01:37 AM (iHjB5)

415 Some more of his fighting advice now that I'm fondly remembering his lessons when he held court: You don't fight fair, son, you fight to win.

And, if you're in deep shit, with several opponents coming at you, turn on the "crazy eyes". And he then demonstrated his "crazy eyes" face. Wild eyed, looking like a lunatic about to have a psychotic break. You're seen the pictures of those lunatics, Jared Loghner and that Holmes guy.

Well, that's the look ol' Red demonstrated.

He said just act wild and crazy, growl and bark like a dog if you have to. Scare the shit out of them .

And pick out the leader, the one the others are following. If you can blitzkrieg his ass the others will be taken aback and hesitant.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at March 09, 2016 01:37 AM (dvuhZ)

416 G'night everyone.

Sleep beckons, I hope.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 09, 2016 01:39 AM (YJmuy)

417 404
Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 01:29 AM (EzgxV)

I seldom click on links, but surely this inst ira?!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 01:32 AM (2PI7/)

Came when called, then promptly banhammered @411....does this help answer your question?

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 01:39 AM (EzgxV)

418 On income inequality:

If indeed, it's the 1% that's the problem, then think of it: you only need to change the minds of 1% of the people!

It's the wealthy who need the lectures, not the rest of us.

This is because the answer lies in VOLUNTARY cutting of ridiculously large salaries (and absurd bonuses). Charity that isn't voluntary isn't charity; it's tyranny.

This - THIS, DAMN IT! THIS! - is what Christ was all about! Not the creation of a socialist state, but the creation of a moral revolution.

Posted by: RKae at March 09, 2016 01:40 AM (lF8sf)

419 415 publius

Interesting. Been watching Hill Street Blues reruns on H&I, you've basically described Belker (sp?).

Posted by: speedster1 at March 09, 2016 01:40 AM (vUcdz)

420 Is that fight scene still from "From Russia With Love", the gypsy chicks in Turkey fighting?

Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 01:40 AM (zOTsN)

421 Those two chicks fighting are like redbanzai and kari.
But kari says she's a man so forget it.
Posted by: eleven at March 08, 2016 11:30 PM (qUNWi)

w00t! we've got our own meme
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 12:22 AM (NPofj)

Those two chicks are fighting like two ideologically opposed but intellectually rigorous and respectful individuals?

For the record, I will fight rb in a brassiere any time.

Anywhere.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 01:41 AM (ubByS)

422 That's all great if you're looking for a fight.

From the actual martial arts I've studied and the others I've read about, pretty much everyone agrees:

i. Don't be in a place where there's going to be trouble.

ii. If there's trouble, walk away.

iii. If you can't avoid trouble, fight until the other guy can't fight back.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 09, 2016 01:41 AM (1xUj/)

423 418 RKae

>> ridiculous large

Who decides?

Posted by: speedster1 at March 09, 2016 01:42 AM (vUcdz)

424 hi all
can only pop in briefly to say hi, going straight to bed after a 15 hour day

hope everyone is well, talk to ya later

Posted by: chemjeff at March 09, 2016 01:42 AM (uZNvH)

425 Hit the rack chemjeff, good of you to check in lol. Hope the rest of your week is a little less strenuous.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 01:43 AM (ubByS)

426 Posted by: RKae at March 09, 2016 01:40 AM (lF8sf)

The rationale I have always thought had some merit for high pay was this:

1) Very skilled.

2) Very dangerous.

3) Few decisions, big impact.

CEOs and other higher ups fall very firmly into the later category since decisions they make could make or break the company. Companies who do not offer the best benefits, do not get the best decision makers.

Yes, a cultural change is what is needed. High CEO pay, that is just good business.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 01:44 AM (iHjB5)

427 There's nothing the jihadis have done that the IRA wasn't already doing decades before them.

Posted by: Maetenloch

At some point, these comparisons become the ridiculous things you seek to avoid.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 09, 2016 01:46 AM (A/3fN)

428 The island war in the pacific was brutal and horrific. It was beyond anything that had ever been seen before. Men who wanted to live fighting against men who wanted to die. For just one instance, Japanese dead on Iwo Jima were over 22,000. Marine dead were over 6,000. The fighting was savage and unimaginable. Japanese would mutilate American soldiers, and after awhile, the Americans replied in kind. Nobody in America shed a tear for the over 100,000 Japanese killed in the Tokyo fire bombing raids. It was that kind of war. The war against the Islamist's will have to descend to that kind of brutality. Maybe not at this moment, but soon.

Posted by: Old Blue at March 09, 2016 01:47 AM (9iR5/)

429 Mornin'.

Hawaii results finally starting to come in. Trump way up with 18% reporting.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 09, 2016 01:47 AM (HMt16)

430 428 Old Blue

In the words of Gene Wilder (Jim in BS): When?

Posted by: speedster1 at March 09, 2016 01:48 AM (vUcdz)

431 "What would it take to impeach and convict a president?"
An interesting post, stolen from Instapundit:

http://tinyurl.com/jnlvgvw

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 01:49 AM (iHjB5)

432 not to PO anyone, but Hawaii returns are starting to come in...

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 09, 2016 01:50 AM (kaPZB)

433 This - THIS, DAMN IT! THIS! - is what Christ was all
about! Not the creation of a socialist state, but the creation of a
moral revolution.

Posted by: RKae at March 09, 2016 01:40 AM (lF8sf)

And that's why Pope Francis just doesn't get it. Compulsory charity under the threat of force is not nobility, it is thievery.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 09, 2016 01:50 AM (J+mig)

434 3) Few decisions, big impact.

CEOs and other higher ups fall very firmly into the later category since decisions they make could make or break the company. Companies who do not offer the best benefits, do not get the best decision makers.

With the caveat that some of those companies are paying lot of money for short-sighted and bad decision making that still pays the CEO well.

It's fine in the abstract, but can be corrupted in the actual.

Sort of like how the justice system perpetuates injustices, and the political system rewards those who harm the country with anti-leadership.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 09, 2016 01:50 AM (1D4Ef)

435 426
Posted by: RKae at March 09, 2016 01:40 AM (lF8sf)

The rationale I have always thought had some merit for high pay was this:

1) Very skilled.

2) Very dangerous.

3) Few decisions, big impact.

CEOs and other higher ups fall very firmly into the later category
since decisions they make could make or break the company. Companies who
do not offer the best benefits, do not get the best decision makers.

Yes, a cultural change is what is needed. High CEO pay, that is just good business.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 01:44 AM (iHjB5)

What is poisonous to this theory is when the decisions aren't about operations or logistics, human resources or staffing, capital plans or financial plans....but when they're about regulatory capture. When they involve using the powers of government to bash your competitors and advance your interests. When it's all about the Good Ol' Boys doing some "horsetrading" or "support" or lobbying -- because then it isn't about competence anymore....it's about connections.

And when government power is managed by paying for connections, it is corrupt.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 01:50 AM (EzgxV)

436 HI, 18% reporting:

Trump 43.8
Cruz 27.8
Rubio - 13.9
Kasich - 12.7

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 09, 2016 01:50 AM (HMt16)

437 OTOH, I believe the muzzies may have learned that stunt from the Tamils in Sri Lanka?

Correct..

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 09, 2016 01:51 AM (KRwzj)

438 speedster, I don't know. I do know that you can only push people just so far before they start fighting back. Although not widely reported, you just may be seeing pushback in Europe. People don't react well to having their culture destroyed. PC has delayed the pushback, but I think it will come.

Posted by: Old Blue at March 09, 2016 01:51 AM (9iR5/)

439 436 Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 09, 2016 01:50 AM (HMt16)

I'm sure there's a thread somewhere that needs that.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 01:53 AM (EzgxV)

440 The thing is, in a free market, the points you mentioned would be corrected for by the market.

Pay too much for shitty decisions? The company crashes and burns or loses money until the guy gets his ass fired. Other companies know not to hire that moron or others like him.

Hire based on considerations other than ability? Same as above.

This is what pisses me off so much about the dems railing against our 'capitalist' system. Our system is free market in name only. It is so jury rigged it is insane.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 01:53 AM (iHjB5)

441 #439 I'm sure there's a thread somewhere that needs that.

My apologies. I thought this was an open thread.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 09, 2016 01:54 AM (HMt16)

442 The board determines the CEOs salary, not the CEO. He may ask but they have final say. CEOs of multinational companies risk arrest by banana republics for a whole host of things entirely beyond their control. And when I say banana republic I mean places like Spain. No CEO leaves without a toe tag. Most are fired within 5 to 7 years. The firing can be for any reason, and completely beyond the CEOs control.

This whole one percent crap is wishful thinking

Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 01:56 AM (zOTsN)

443 418 RKae

>> ridiculous large

Who decides?
Posted by: speedster1

---

Um... wow. Just exactly as I stated. Just like Christ put it.

You convince people that an insatiable desire for wealth is wrong on many levels.

If they laugh you off and keep going on with their gluttony and greed, then so be it.

My point is: If people are upset about income inequality, then convince the 1% that it's wrong.

Your confusion (I'm surmising) is based on the same mad idea that everyone - particularly college kids - suffers under: That we need a system to make the world perfect.

Nope. Capitalism makes the world good enough. And the few problems with capitalism (such as income inequality) are to be dealt with on a level of convincing philosophy and nothing more. You'll never fix them totally. Never.

Christ knew this as well.

The guy knew everything.

Posted by: RKae at March 09, 2016 01:56 AM (lF8sf)

444 I'm sure there's a thread somewhere that needs that.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 01:53 AM (EzgxV)

I read Maet's injunction upthread. Speaking for myself, I don't much mind the straight reporting of the news, with zero gloating/whining. It's the constant flamewar-bait that grates. And that has been pretty much one-sided tonight.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 01:56 AM (/i7Ua)

445
And that's why Pope Francis just doesn't get it. Compulsory charity under the threat of force is not nobility, it is thievery.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 09, 2016 01:50 AM (J+mig)

That ain't the only think ol' Papa doesn't quite get.

I'm pretty sure that some sort of coup occurred to force B16 out and bring in a buffoon that would allow the lily-livered asshats still in the old curia to get up to no good. Letting the idiot run the show means a lot can get done behind the scenes without anybody noticing. As soon as B16 allowed the Latin Mass, all hell broke loose, literally, in the Vatican. That sweet old man had more brains and spine than Frank the First has ever seen, let alone have.

While the cat's away....

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 09, 2016 01:57 AM (+YMhA)

446 441
#439 I'm sure there's a thread somewhere that needs that.

My apologies. I thought this was an open thread.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 09, 2016 01:54 AM (HMt16)

It was announced upthread that there were a plethora of political threads tonight so this need not be one of them.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 01:57 AM (EzgxV)

447 I read Maet's injunction upthread. Speaking for myself, I don't much mind the straight reporting of the news, with zero gloating/whining. It's the constant flamewar-bait that grates. And that has been pretty much one-sided tonight.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 01:56 AM (/i7Ua)

Probably good, then, that we have left our flamethrowers at home tonight.

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 09, 2016 01:58 AM (+YMhA)

448 And then there I go, spouting Vatican politics.

My apologies.

So, how 'bout them Brewers this Spring, eh?

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 09, 2016 01:58 AM (+YMhA)

449 And when government power is managed by paying for connections, it is corrupt.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 01:50 AM (EzgxV)

Both business and government are corrupt now, and the corrupt on both sides are propping each other up while they stuff the treasury in their pockets.

The only thing that'll ever fix it is a return to free market capitalism. Most of the cronies have become so dependent on their sweetheart deals that they'd never survive in a competitive environment.

And if we ever do get it fixed, I think we need some kind of wall of separation between government and business interests to keep it from happening again.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 09, 2016 01:58 AM (J+mig)

450 It was announced upthread that there were a plethora of political threads tonight so this need not be one of them.

I didn't see it. Again, my apologies.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 09, 2016 01:59 AM (HMt16)

451 I liked that MIRROR UNIVERSE CTHULU guy. I wonder if he is taking donations for his campaign....

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 02:00 AM (iHjB5)

452 So we should require the producers to be reeducated by religious people until they "voluntarily" decrease their salaries

No thanks

Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 02:01 AM (zOTsN)

453 444
I'm sure there's a thread somewhere that needs that.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 01:53 AM (EzgxV)

I read Maet's injunction upthread. Speaking for myself, I don't much mind the straight reporting of the news, with zero gloating/whining. It's the constant flamewar-bait that grates. And that has been pretty much one-sided tonight.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 01:56 AM (/i7Ua)

I hope I didn't come across as being in a frothing rage.....it's a new rule, introduced in the comments -- it'll take a while for the word to circulate. I think it'll greatly improve the ONTs, so I hope it works out.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 02:01 AM (EzgxV)

454 How do you get the government out of industries that involve risk?

You never ever will

Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 02:03 AM (zOTsN)

455 I didn't see it. Again, my apologies.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?

Psst. You wanna avoid the moral opprobrium of any given thread?

Be funny. Be light-hearted. Amuse people.

And you'll never be warned, admonished, or otherwise disarmed.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 09, 2016 02:03 AM (A/3fN)

456
Interesting. Been watching Hill Street Blues reruns on H&I, you've basically described Belker (sp?).
Posted by: speedster1

Benny Hill Street Blues

https://youtu.be/jMBgm-qp7-c

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 09, 2016 02:03 AM (FkBIv)

457 The only thing that'll ever fix it is a return to free market capitalism. Most of the cronies have become so dependent on their sweetheart deals that they'd never survive in a competitive environment.

And if we ever do get it fixed, I think we need some kind of wall of separation between government and business interests to keep it from happening again.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 09, 2016 01:58 AM (J+mig)

We really need to shit-can the word "capitalism". The word was invented by Marx to denote the "evil" counterpart to communism. Why should we let the enemy's words define us? That's conceding him some legitimacy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 02:03 AM (/i7Ua)

458 And if we ever do get it fixed, I think we need some kind of wall of separation between government and business interests to keep it from happening again.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 09, 2016 01:58 AM (J+mig)

This. Absolutely.

Instapundit always mentions a revolving door surtax. I am not sure how to manage the issue because I believe that people should be free to do as they please, but the tax seems like the most 'free' way of doing it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 02:04 AM (iHjB5)

459 Posted by: Aetius451AD

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I used to believe that CEOs get paid big bucks because they're just such fucking geniuses. Nope. They're not 1,000 smarter than everyone else.

And the oversimplification of the market fixing things is simply not borne out by reality. Corporations screw the public all the time and never suffer a loss. All car companies are fucking us over with planned obsolescence and impossible-to-repair cars, and they make MORE money doing this; not less.

In fact, the sad part of the marketplace is the truth that there's more money to be made in screwing the public than there is in serving their needs and interests. The ever-increasing science of propaganda and crowd manipulation will do more for your company than a good product will.

Still, flaws and all, I believe in the marketplace. I just don't worship it.

Posted by: RKae at March 09, 2016 02:05 AM (lF8sf)

460 The suicide bomb vest? IRA wasn't big on suicide as a tactic, IIRC. Now, they might have gone on missions that meant certain death, but not at their own hand. I'm sure that one or two counter-examples may exist, but it was surely not a routine IRA act.

OTOH, I believe the muzzies may have learned that stunt from the Tamils in Sri Lanka?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 01:21 AM (/i7Ua)

Yeah I was thinking of IEDs and VBIEDs and remote detonations but you're right - the IRA never used suicide vests or knowingly made suicide bomb attacks. But even these I think were pioneered by Tamil rebels - not jihadis.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 09, 2016 02:05 AM (wqVD1)

461 One more funny Ol' Red story before I call it night. Again, he married up, way up. Miss Ruth was what we young 'uns called her. He called her his Ruthie. Well educated, cultured Southern woman.

I guess it was the Bad Boy thing. Will Miss Ruth got her bad boy all right. And he turned out to be one hell of good Bad Boy. Now, talk about defending a woman's honor. No body dissed Miss Ruth back when Ol' Red was in his prime. Nobody, believe me.

Well, as I mentioned she straightened him out. He promised her to quit all his drinking and running around and fighting and all that. And was living up to it. I forget the details but they were somewhere.

And there was some asshole that did something, a lot of somethings and was ruining it for everybody. The old Ol' Red would've already beaten that asshole into a bloody pulp (unless he was one of the few and the proud who could best Red in a fight).

But he was going to be gentlemen for his Ruthie. Well, it went on and he said Miss Ruth turned to him and hollered, "What the hell are you just standing there for, kill that sonuvabitch!"

That just tickled him to death. There he learned that while his Ruthie wouldn't really admit, she did perhaps get a kick out of her Bad Boy's fighting spirit.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at March 09, 2016 02:06 AM (dvuhZ)

462 We really need to shit-can the word "capitalism". The word was invented by Marx to denote the "evil" counterpart to communism. Why should we let the enemy's words define us? That's conceding him some legitimacy.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 02:03 AM (/i7Ua)

How about:
Smithian Economics?

Invisible Pimp Hand Economics?

That is your shit, this is my shit, but we can negotiate that, economics?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 02:06 AM (iHjB5)

463 I sure hope to God CMDR. Salamander is dead wrong, because if he's not we're boned.

Posted by: Gmac-Riding hot rails to Hell-#twoweeks at March 09, 2016 02:06 AM (4pjhs)

464 So we should require the producers to be reeducated by religious people until they "voluntarily" decrease their salaries

No thanks

Posted by: ThunderB

---

Wow. If that's what you got out of what I wrote, I think you're insane.*

*This is not meant to be an official medical diagnosis.

AS I SAID: (Shit, let's try this again!)

Let things go as they will. IF YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE UPSET BY INEQUALITY then speak out against it on a personal level. But you are not allowed to use the force of law to compel them.

Posted by: RKae at March 09, 2016 02:08 AM (lF8sf)

465 The CEOs are not paid for making a car that never needs to be replaced. The CEOs of Car companies are beholden to make money for their investors, by selling desirable products, and creating demand.

Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 02:09 AM (zOTsN)

466 451
I liked that MIRROR UNIVERSE CTHULU guy. I wonder if he is taking donations for his campaign....

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 02:00 AM (iHjB5)

Somehow I missed that. Funny how these guys all travel as a pack, isn't it? It's almost like they're all one person, logged in with separate nics via their home Wi-Fi, their cellphone network, their neighbor's unsecured hotspot, the library, the city's utility network, and the McDonalds across the street.....

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 02:09 AM (EzgxV)

467
I used to believe that CEOs get paid big bucks because they're just such fucking geniuses. Nope. They're not 1,000 smarter than everyone else.

And the oversimplification of the market fixing things is simply not borne out by reality. Corporations screw the public all the time and never suffer a loss. All car companies are fucking us over with planned obsolescence and impossible-to-repair cars, and they make MORE money doing this; not less.

In fact, the sad part of the marketplace is the truth that there's more money to be made in screwing the public than there is in serving their needs and interests. The ever-increasing science of propaganda and crowd manipulation will do more for your company than a good product will.

Still, flaws and all, I believe in the marketplace. I just don't worship it.
Posted by: RKae at March 09, 2016 02:05 AM (lF8sf)

That is because we have interfered with the market to such an extent, that what we have really is just a government allowed/controlled marketplace. The government swoopes in when corporations get big enough to cause significant damage if they fail. They pick winners and losers all the time by giving grants to "Green" companies.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 02:09 AM (iHjB5)

468 I'd like to see some election threads for the non-Presidential races.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 09, 2016 02:10 AM (vBeA5)

469 Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 02:06 AM (iHjB5)

In a reverse of the other side's obvious preference for planned economics, I'd say to call it dynamic economics. That has a good ring to it.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 09, 2016 02:11 AM (J+mig)

470 Instead of "Capitalism", call it a return to "The Free Market System".

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 09, 2016 02:11 AM (OQ9R7)

471 I hope I didn't come across as being in a frothing rage.....it's a new rule, introduced in the comments -- it'll take a while for the word to circulate. I think it'll greatly improve the ONTs, so I hope it works out.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 02:01 AM (EzgxV)

I didn't figure you were in a frothing rage at all. I welcome a ban on the politicking in the ONT. But I can draw a distinction between politicking/advocacy/flaming and straight (and brief) reportage of election results. The latter actually saves me the need of going to the political thread for an update. I suppose the risk is that some people will find it impossible not to cheer or throw insults, according to their wont.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 02:11 AM (/i7Ua)

472 Posted by: ThunderB

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They should be making a car that never needs to be replaced.

We're using technology to make something that intentionally collapses, so the company can keep making money. In that case, technology is not being used to the best intention. The need for money is making us not do out best.

And people think doctors aren't intentionally making us sick? They need to keep their industry rolling, too.

Posted by: RKae at March 09, 2016 02:14 AM (lF8sf)

473 465
The CEOs are not paid for making a car that never needs to be replaced.
The CEOs of Car companies are beholden to make money for their
investors, by selling desirable products, and creating demand.

Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 02:09 AM (zOTsN)

The major car companies are pension plans that occasionally produce cars. They are not profit-seeking enterprises and their "investors" are mostly unions at this point. And their "desirable products" are mandated sixteen ways from Sunday by government -- and, accordingly, are mostly shit.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 02:15 AM (EzgxV)

474 I didn't figure you were in a frothing rage at all. I welcome a ban on the politicking in the ONT. But I can draw a distinction between politicking/advocacy/flaming and straight (and brief) reportage of election results. The latter actually saves me the need of going to the political thread for an update. I suppose the risk is that some people will find it impossible not to cheer or throw insults, according to their wont.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 02:11 AM (/i7Ua)

Nope. People will feel compelled to comment on these. And well we all know how well members of the horde are able to control and channel their emotions when it comes to the GOP primary.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 09, 2016 02:15 AM (wqVD1)

475 Yes to free markets. And we should only have free trade with other free markets.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at March 09, 2016 02:16 AM (GzDYP)

476 Companies do not exist so that "technology is used to the best intention"

They exist to feed supply and demand and make a profit

Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 02:16 AM (zOTsN)

477 Maetenloch - I thank you, again, for the bounty you have spread before us all.

Can we give Maetenloch a hand for his excellent post modern discourse on the importance of pie? Give it up, you know he needs deserves it.

You've brilliantly embiggend our brains out.

Posted by: CozMark at March 09, 2016 02:18 AM (CbGSW)

478 476
Companies do not exist so that "technology is used to the best intention"

They exist to feed supply and demand and make a profit

Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 02:16 AM (zOTsN)

Except when, as I noted above, they exist to influence government to insulate them from competition and provide them with "value" so that they can swell up and cash out the founders before they are found to be frauds.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 02:19 AM (EzgxV)

479 477
Maetenloch - I thank you, again, for the bounty you have spread before us all.

Can
we give Maetenloch a hand for his excellent post modern discourse on
the importance of pie? Give it up, you know he needs deserves it.

You've brilliantly embiggend our brains out.

Posted by: CozMark at March 09, 2016 02:18 AM (CbGSW)

Maet's the baest....

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 02:21 AM (EzgxV)

480 Posted by: Aetius451AD

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No. Corporations have been making money by screwing over the public for a long, long time.

In the early part of the 20th Century, when all the massive industrial growth was happening, they were indeed polluting like mad. They were poisoning entire towns.

This is what was used to create the EPA. If the industries had policed themselves; if they'd had any foresight, they would have never made a mess like that in the first place.

Their stupidity created, in the marketplace of ideas, a need that someone (the government) swooped in to fill. The industries never should have given them that opening. If the captains of industry had viewed government as their competitor, they might have cut them off at the pass by cleaning up their own messes. Instead, they were fools - rich, cigar-chomping fools.

Posted by: RKae at March 09, 2016 02:21 AM (lF8sf)

481 The major car companies are pension plans that occasionally produce cars. They are not profit-seeking enterprises and their "investors" are mostly unions at this point. And their "desirable products" are mandated sixteen ways from Sunday by government -- and, accordingly, are mostly shit.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 02:15 AM (EzgxV)

I have been watching a ton of the Jay Leno's garage videos over the past few days. Some gorgeous cars. He keeps mentioning when he shows a unique car from the pre-60s/70s era (things like the jet car from chrysler) that once government started getting involved, a lot of the innovation was sucked out of the trade.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 02:22 AM (iHjB5)

482 Has there ever been such a thing as the "free market?"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 09, 2016 02:22 AM (FkBIv)

483 I only used car companies because that is the example KRae provided. Note that above I stated that you will never ever get government out of businesses especially if they involve risk.

Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 02:22 AM (zOTsN)

484 I especially liked the Brown Shoes story. It shows how bad it could get here, if we're not vigilant.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at March 09, 2016 02:24 AM (GzDYP)

485 KRae there isn't a government anywhere that doesn't regulate business and industry, it's all a matter of degree. It's classist bullshit that if you run a company you are some rapacious ne'er do well

Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 02:26 AM (zOTsN)

486 Their stupidity created, in the marketplace of ideas, a need that someone (the government) swooped in to fill. The industries never should have given them that opening. If the captains of industry had viewed government as their competitor, they might have cut them off at the pass by cleaning up their own messes. Instead, they were fools - rich, cigar-chomping fools.
Posted by: RKae at March 09, 2016 02:21 AM (lF8sf)

One might point out that what you are saying is a cultural problem and a prioritization problem (people had bigger concerns than the environment or just did not care) rather than a problem with the market.

So, other than trying to take the cultural institutions, what is your solution?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 02:26 AM (iHjB5)

487 Has there ever been such a thing as the "free market?"

A market free from control of outside forces or interests?

I would have to say no, there hasn't. Basic supply and demand. I have the supply you have the need and have to pay what I want or you don't get anything.

Now once you introduce another supplier into the mix, the market gets free'er but still is not a free market.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:28 AM (WVsWD)

488 They should be making a car that never needs to be replaced.

And that can fly around the world in an hour on one gallon of gas.

How quickly we forget what cars were like a mere 30 years ago. 100,000 miles meant it was approaching junkyard status. Now that's little more than broken in.

Rebuild an engine and what should surprise you isn't that cars need to be repaired and replaced, but that they last as long as they do. Cars have gotten more reliable, more efficient, safer and faster- all at the same time.

Nostalgia lies.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 09, 2016 02:28 AM (KRwzj)

489 Sounds like cultural marxism

Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 02:29 AM (zOTsN)

490 They should be making a car that never needs to be replaced.

We're using technology to make something that intentionally collapses, so the company can keep making money. In that case, technology is not being used to the best intention. The need for money is making us not do out best.

And people think doctors aren't intentionally making us sick? They need to keep their industry rolling, too.

Posted by: RKae at March 09, 2016 02:14 AM (lF8sf)

In fact, the cars being made now do last longer than previous generations ever did. It's not unusual for a car engine these days to go 300,000 miles without ever having the head off it. Even spark plugs last 100,000 miles.

Look, I love my '50's and '60's cars, and my '30's and '40's cars, too. But the notion that older cars lasted better is just plain nonsense. And yes, the older cars were often easier to work on. Which was good, because you had to.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 02:29 AM (/i7Ua)

491 481
The major car companies are pension plans that occasionally produce
cars. They are not profit-seeking enterprises and their "investors" are
mostly unions at this point. And their "desirable products" are mandated
sixteen ways from Sunday by government -- and, accordingly, are mostly
shit.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 02:15 AM (EzgxV)

I have been watching a ton of the Jay Leno's garage videos over the
past few days. Some gorgeous cars. He keeps mentioning when he shows a
unique car from the pre-60s/70s era (things like the jet car from
chrysler) that once government started getting involved, a lot of the
innovation was sucked out of the trade.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 02:22 AM (iHjB5)

In case you're wondering.....there is a "right way" to address things like the lack of safety belts in cars and polluted rivers. You simply pass a law that recognizes that safety belts are a reasonable minimum amount of consumer protection and that manufacturers can be sued for any injuries above what a safety-belted passenger would have sustained. Similarly, Congress could pass a law that anyone downstream from a polluter could sue for any damage pollution had done to him, without having to find a specific link from the specific plant to the specific harm (since waters mix in rivers). Creating a new Federal bureaucracy to be co-opted by the entities involved is an abomination.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 02:29 AM (EzgxV)

492 "They should be making a car that never needs to be replaced."

Might as well add a perpetual motion machine while you are it. What product that has had moving parts has never needed fixing or just outright replacing.

Movement means wear and tear. Even when the best lubricants are being used.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:31 AM (WVsWD)

493 Has there ever been such a thing as the "free market?"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.

On a small scale where many governments ignore, yes.

I've been to a few SEast asian countries - *Paul Krugman hat*, and there are cart vendors on the median of highways hawking stuff. That's a free market.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 09, 2016 02:31 AM (A/3fN)

494 In case you're wondering.....there is a "right way" to address things like the lack of safety belts in cars and polluted rivers. You simply pass a law that recognizes that safety belts are a reasonable minimum amount of consumer protection and that manufacturers can be sued for any injuries above what a safety-belted passenger would have sustained. Similarly, Congress could pass a law that anyone downstream from a polluter could sue for any damage pollution had done to him, without having to find a specific link from the specific plant to the specific harm (since waters mix in rivers). Creating a new Federal bureaucracy to be co-opted by the entities involved is an abomination.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 02:29 AM (EzgxV)

Oh, you and ThunderB are right. I am not saying you want a completely unadulterated free market. However, any regulation you pass should be "neutral" as what you outlined above.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 02:33 AM (iHjB5)

495 490
They should be making a car that never needs to be replaced.

We're using technology to make something that intentionally
collapses, so the company can keep making money. In that case,
technology is not being used to the best intention. The need for money
is making us not do out best.

And people think doctors aren't intentionally making us sick? They need to keep their industry rolling, too.

Posted by: RKae at March 09, 2016 02:14 AM (lF8sf)

In fact, the cars being made now do last longer than previous
generations ever did. It's not unusual for a car engine these days to go
300,000 miles without ever having the head off it. Even spark plugs
last 100,000 miles.

Look, I love my '50's and '60's cars, and my '30's and '40's cars,
too. But the notion that older cars lasted better is just plain
nonsense. And yes, the older cars were often easier to work on. Which
was good, because you had to.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 02:29 AM (/i7Ua)

I found a pdf somewhere about the maintenance schedule for a model A -- you had to crawl under the car and lube points of the chassis every 500 miles.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 02:33 AM (EzgxV)

496 I found a pdf somewhere about the maintenance schedule for a model A -- you had to crawl under the car and lube points of the chassis every 500 miles.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 02:33 AM (EzgxV)

A video I was watching today was on a steam car that Leno owns (which was once owned by Howard Hughes) and the manual listed like 15 different actions for merely starting the car, plus an entire page of things that the owner would need to check on a daily or weekly basis.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 02:35 AM (iHjB5)

497 MUC is getting frisky.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 02:37 AM (iHjB5)

498 Braves, Marlins to play July 3rd at Fort Bragg in a brand new facility. This brings a few questions to mind.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/166636990

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 09, 2016 02:43 AM (OQ9R7)

499 I know a couple that recently opened their dream restaurant. Their success depends on the offer of good food, drink and atmosphere for an acceptable price to the people that live close enough to come. I don't think that the regulations, taxes, and current minimum wage are over burdensome.

But. I could be wrong.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at March 09, 2016 02:43 AM (GzDYP)

500 496
I found a pdf somewhere about the maintenance schedule for a model A --
you had to crawl under the car and lube points of the chassis every 500
miles.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 02:33 AM (EzgxV)

A video I was watching today was on a steam car that Leno owns
(which was once owned by Howard Hughes) and the manual listed like 15
different actions for merely starting the car, plus an entire page of
things that the owner would need to check on a daily or weekly basis.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 02:35 AM (iHjB5)

I dunno about steam cars, but I have a slight familiarity with steam locomotives....and you don't just turn the key and pull out into traffic. Plus, there's things like the "blow-down", where you use steam to forcefully push water out of the boiler after much of it has been turned to steam before you start getting deposits -- forget that a couple of times and your pipes are full of concrete.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 02:45 AM (EzgxV)

501 497
MUC is getting frisky.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 02:37 AM (iHjB5)

Pity I haven't seen any.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 02:46 AM (EzgxV)

502 I dunno about steam cars, but I have a slight familiarity with steam locomotives....and you don't just turn the key and pull out into traffic. Plus, there's things like the "blow-down", where you use steam to forcefully push water out of the boiler after much of it has been turned to steam before you start getting deposits -- forget that a couple of times and your pipes are full of concrete.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 02:45 AM (EzgxV)

From the couple of videos I have watched there, the things you mentioned seemed to be the same for steam cars.

Complicated, sure. I just find the steam cars and the turbine cars a fascinating idea. Not practical at the current moment (or then) but still, cool ideas.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 02:48 AM (iHjB5)

503 Like it or not, the government-mandated safety and fuel-efficiency requirements have worked. Industry responded with better seat belts, and air bags, and adopted closed-loop electronic EFI to meet fuel economy and emissions requirements. And a side benefit was longer-lasting engines because there was less crankcase oil dilution by unburned fuel.

My Suburban (parked) was rear-ended two weeks ago in Utah by a Hyundai Elantra. She was going fast enough to buckle the frame of a 3/4 ton Suburban when she hit the trailer hitch dead on. But I was able to drive the 800 miles home with no problems. The Hyundai was dead on the spot; engine pushed back in to the firewall, fenders crushed into the doors, etc. Both the airbags went off, and blew out the windshield. But they probably saved the driver's life. She climbed out of the car under her own power, complaining of sore knees, and shaken up. They examined her in the ambulance that came, and turned her loose.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 02:49 AM (/i7Ua)

504 I found a pdf somewhere about the maintenance schedule for a model A -- you had to crawl under the car and lube points of the chassis every 500 miles.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 02:33 AM (EzgxV)

If you were driving on the same sorts of roads as a Model T you'd probably have to do the same with a modern car.

Nowadays, the modern car skips the trouble and just has an unspecific "engine check" warning fire off every 500 miles so that most people have to run to their dealer and pay $100 to be told it was nothing. Progress.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 09, 2016 02:50 AM (zc3Db)

505 Okay... it seems MLB and the Players' Association footed the bill for the 12,500 seat stadium. It will be converted into a softball field and multi-purpose facility after the game.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 09, 2016 02:50 AM (OQ9R7)

506 I am curious...these people that insist that the military would fire on Americans...have they ever served? My suspicion is they have not.

Posted by: tankkiller69 at March 09, 2016 02:52 AM (71ysr)

507 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 02:49 AM (/i7Ua)

The arab oil embargo had more to do with spurring on the development of fuel efficient cars than the government. That's how the Japanese built their auto industry. before the embargo the Jap cars were laughed at as little tin pieces of shit. After ... not so much. And they got better very quickly. Detroit had to respond to competition and oil prices more than CAFE standards, which served more to warp model selection than individual models.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 09, 2016 02:53 AM (zc3Db)

508 Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 02:49 AM (/i7Ua)

crumple zones @ w*rk

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 09, 2016 02:55 AM (kaPZB)

509 tankkiller69 at March 09, 2016 02:52 AM (71ysr)

i knew some that would... i also some that would frag anyone who ordered it or did it.

YMMV.

(are you an old 11H type?)

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 09, 2016 02:57 AM (kaPZB)

510 I think the real problem with steam cars is that in any heat engine, you get more efficiency with higher temperatures. In the early days of the automobile, the steam engine was already pretty highly developed, having been in service for 70 years or more. Gasoline engines of the day were pretty poor, and had a long way to go to get anywhere near their peak theoretical efficiency, so steam looked to be pretty good for a while by comparison. But there wasn't much room for steam cars to make improvements, although they did manage to automate some of the starting sequence, to make them closer to "instant on". But there was a lot of room for improvement in gasoline engines, and improve they did. And what the gasoline car could offer was range. You could carry enough fuel to drive several hundred miles, and aside for making up losses from the radiator, you needed to carry no water. (who carries radiator coolant now?)

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 03:01 AM (/i7Ua)

511 499
I know a couple that recently opened their dream restaurant. Their
success depends on the offer of good food, drink and atmosphere for an
acceptable price to the people that live close enough to come. I don't
think that the regulations, taxes, and current minimum wage are over
burdensome.

But. I could be wrong.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at March 09, 2016 02:43 AM (GzDYP)

Let me assure you, based on nothing but your description -- you're wrong. I knew a canny guy who'd been a top executive with a chain that had 103 restaurants in 13 states who, in semi-retirement, founded his own chain. With certain bartenders, his liquor would disappear; with certain city inspectors, he had to throw out a bunch of food (the issue was potato salad -- it's supposed to be refrigerated in trays filled to a certain maximum depth because warm spots inside could incubate bacteria. He had a single chunk of potato 1/4" taller than the depth in a few trays and was told to dump them). The IRS loves to audit businesses with tips to try to harass them out of business. And we're in Califailia, where pompous strutting petty bureaucrats are everywhere.

Eventually he sold out. He loved providing good food and great atmosphere to people, and knew how to do it....but was run out of business because he spent 95% of this time and effort on regulations and taxes.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 03:03 AM (EzgxV)

512 Redc1c4. I was a 11F3B...anecdotal evidence is just that...the VAST majority of the those serving would not...it is unconstitutional and, contrary to to what these "military inclined" posters say, wouldn't happen. They probably had run-in with a military person and extend that to their "thoughts" on the military versus American civilian population

Posted by: tankkiller69 at March 09, 2016 03:06 AM (71ysr)

513 503
Like it or not, the government-mandated safety and fuel-efficiency
requirements have worked. Industry responded with better seat belts, and
air bags, and adopted closed-loop electronic EFI to meet fuel economy
and emissions requirements. And a side benefit was longer-lasting
engines because there was less crankcase oil dilution by unburned fuel.

My Suburban (parked) was rear-ended two weeks ago in Utah by a
Hyundai Elantra. She was going fast enough to buckle the frame of a 3/4
ton Suburban when she hit the trailer hitch dead on. But I was able to
drive the 800 miles home with no problems. The Hyundai was dead on the
spot; engine pushed back in to the firewall, fenders crushed into the
doors, etc. Both the airbags went off, and blew out the windshield. But
they probably saved the driver's life. She climbed out of the car under
her own power, complaining of sore knees, and shaken up. They examined
her in the ambulance that came, and turned her loose.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 02:49 AM (/i7Ua)

I remember your reporting of the incident. What's the prognosis for the Suburban?

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 03:06 AM (EzgxV)

514 492 "They should be making a car that never needs to be replaced."

Might as well add a perpetual motion machine while you are it. What product that has had moving parts has never needed fixing or just outright replacing.

Movement means wear and tear. Even when the best lubricants are being used.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:31 AM (WVsWD)

Bloody hell, I'd settle for a printer that worked properly for a year without losing it's shit in the middle of something you need right damned now.

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 09, 2016 03:08 AM (+YMhA)

515 What's the prognosis for the Suburban?
Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 03:06 AM (EzgxV)

I think someday I will buy an old 1970's Impala and go out and sideswipe every asshole that turns wide on a multi lane road, or cuts me off, or tailgates, or pulls any other asshattery.

Who cares what the body looks like when I get done? The swipes themselves won't even come close to touching me.

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 09, 2016 03:09 AM (+YMhA)

516 I am curious...these people that insist that the military would fire on Americans...have they ever served? My suspicion is they have not.

Posted by: tankkiller69 at March 09, 2016 02:52 AM (71ysr)

Well, they use GUNS-scary! They choose to go to WAR!-should go to jail. They're so STUPID because they just follow orders from icky Generals.

That and those who serve just scare them. They have no meaningful relationship with any service member, so don't see their honer and valor. It is so sad.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at March 09, 2016 03:10 AM (GzDYP)

517 If you were driving on the same sorts of roads as a Model T you'd probably have to do the same with a modern car.

Nowadays, the modern car skips the trouble and just has an unspecific "engine check" warning fire off every 500 miles so that most people have to run to their dealer and pay $100 to be told it was nothing. Progress.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 09, 2016 02:50 AM (zc3Db)

Not really true. Chassis lubrication on the Model T, and even on expensive cars of the era, was total loss. There were no rubber seals. You pumped grease into spring shackles, and tie rod ends, and it oozed out as the suspension worked, and dirt form the roads entered the bearing area. So one reason for frequent lubing was to flush dirt from the bearings. Even as late as the 1960's, thousand-mile grease intervals were still common.

Driving a Model T on modern paved roads, with modern lubricants in the suspension and engine, yeah, you could maybe stretch the greasing interval out to 2000 miles or so. But a lot of that can be credited to modern lubricants, which are vastly better than what Henry had available to him.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 03:11 AM (/i7Ua)

518 OldDominionMom
I don't think it is that...most folks know someone in the military. They know we aren't robots...they support us. Some just either failed making in the military or had a run-in with a service member. And it is easy to say what they "think" someone would do in a crisis situation...having NEVER been in one in their entir lives

Posted by: tankkiller69 at March 09, 2016 03:14 AM (71ysr)

519 I would like to take this opportunity to thank cthulhu for his explication of deflation on the macroeconomy.

It was really, really good. I, for one, understood what he said.

A round of plaudits for cthulhu everybody!

Posted by: CozMark at March 09, 2016 03:17 AM (CbGSW)

520 507
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 02:49 AM (/i7Ua)

The arab oil embargo had more to do with spurring on the development
of fuel efficient cars than the government. That's how the Japanese
built their auto industry. before the embargo the Jap cars were laughed
at as little tin pieces of shit. After ... not so much. And they got
better very quickly. Detroit had to respond to competition and oil
prices more than CAFE standards, which served more to warp model
selection than individual models.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 09, 2016 02:53 AM (zc3Db)

An interesting side note to this -- the Brits invented all the technology involved for making tiny roadworthy cars -- McPherson struts, rack-and-pinion steering, etc. -- but always half-assed it so it was a maintenance headache. The Japanese cars that came on in the 70s to be efficient little lightweight fuel-sippers were using 30-year-old British technology that had been made to actually work when first turned-on.

On the flip side of this, I once lived in an apartment complex where a guy had a Jaguar E-type V-12. We used to chat -- he actually got decent mileage out of the beast and good performance besides. It was his pride and joy.

Thing is, the reason we used to chat is that he was working on the thing every night. I'd park my car, go over and chat, and then go up to futz around in the apartment. He probably did the equivalent of 50 tune-ups a year on the thing.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 03:17 AM (EzgxV)

521 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 03:01 AM (/i7Ua)

The car I mentioned above was the Doble steam car from 1925. http://tinyurl.com/lonuxxq

Most of your concerns were covered there, along with the issue of lubrication in these engines.

Even with the "instant on" you mention, there was a considerable warm up period.

Still it makes you wonder what you could do with modern tech. Probably would still not be viable given some of the inherent issues, but would be a lot of fun to see.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 09, 2016 03:18 AM (iHjB5)

522 That and those who serve just scare them. They have no meaningful relationship with any service member, so don't see their honer and valor. It is so sad.
Posted by: OldDominionMom at March 09, 2016 03:10 AM (GzDYP)

This is what I just don't get. You don't NEED to know anyone who serves to understand that you are served. You don't NEED to have a personal relationship with the staff the pediatric NICU to know that kids are being given a chance at life. You don't NEED to know the family that is being supported by the woman who brought you your eggs and toast this morning to know you need to give her a good tip when you leave.

Somebody that stands in the breach and keeps the bad guys from invading our country? What is there to know? Just applaud and maybe shake hands and move on.

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 09, 2016 03:19 AM (+YMhA)

523 Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 03:03 AM (EzgxV)

Sorry, but everyone knows CA does't count because it's too corrupt. And weird. That's why I left.

No, really. Small towns=smallerish gov't=smaller profits, but less room for corruption you can't fight.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at March 09, 2016 03:21 AM (GzDYP)

524 I remember your reporting of the incident. What's the prognosis for the Suburban?

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 03:06 AM (EzgxV)

$7600 Cdn. repair estimate. Which puts it in write-off territory. I will probably take a cash settlement from the other party's insurer, and keep the bones. I know I could fix it, and do safely, myself. But I don't know if I will. I estimate that there is 20-40 percent useful life left in the engine and transmission. Is it worth my while to spend many days of my labor to repair a truck that will be miled-out sooner rather than later? If I had already replaced or rebuilt the engine and transmission, it would be a no-brainer, and I would go ahead and fix it. Probably better to pick the bones of the '96 to upgrade my low-miles plain-Jane '97, and pocket the cash.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 03:21 AM (/i7Ua)

525 "I was a 11F3B"

lucky bastard...

what folks don't understand is how few troops there are vs. the public. and that most of those in uniform *aren't* trigger pullers by any stretch of the imagination.

and the LOC's are wide open to interdiction by local efforts. what do they do when truckers refuse to pick up loads, either out o protest, or fear of losing their truck?

how many tank trucks are there in CONUS, military and civilian? how many can the system lose before fuel deliveries, for all uses, start breaking down?

as always, it's the logistics that matter, not the tactics.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 09, 2016 03:24 AM (kaPZB)

526 at N
Agree...some people want to foment arguments and bring the 1% who serve as a "gotcha" to the other 329,000,000 Americans to make them suspicious and vent their anger. We aren't the enemy...look to the East...towards D.C. They aren't your friends. And I include those who condemn the police in this arguement. They aren't your enemy...they are citizens that perform a valuable function...because you had a "run-in" with them doesn't devalue the entire force.

Posted by: tankkiller69 at March 09, 2016 03:25 AM (71ysr)

527 On the flip side of this, I once lived in an apartment complex where a guy had a Jaguar E-type V-12. We used to chat -- he actually got decent mileage out of the beast and good performance besides. It was his pride and joy.

Thing is, the reason we used to chat is that he was working on the thing every night. I'd park my car, go over and chat, and then go up to futz around in the apartment. He probably did the equivalent of 50 tune-ups a year on the thing.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 03:17 AM (EzgxV)

V12 E-Type ... greatest car ever. Hands down. Most beautiful by a mile. The joke was that you had to have 5 of them in order to be sure you had a drivable one on any given day. I had a couple of friends who had them - whose parents had them, to be specific. Mostly they were "special" cars that didn't get more than a couple thousand miles a year. I'm not sure if it was by choice, exactly ...

I had the poor man's e-type - a Datsun 280Z. I loved that car.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 09, 2016 03:26 AM (zc3Db)

528 So, is Ace disappointed with the results? Looks like Trump will take Hawaii

Posted by: Feminist Bruce With a Feminist Wang! at March 09, 2016 03:26 AM (iQIUe)

529 redc1c4
I wasn't lucky...I worked my ass off to do that...but I was blessed. And I would have died to protect the rights of any American while I served. Maybe new comers to serf I join for so-called benefits...but they pledge thier life for this country

Posted by: tankkiller69 at March 09, 2016 03:29 AM (71ysr)

530 i meant lucky to draw the Hawg... making it that far is definitely hard w*rk.

my "career" was a little different. 20+ years ARNG, went into the retired reserve as an E-4 with over 19years TIG, and no UCMJ action in my records. ;-)

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 09, 2016 03:32 AM (kaPZB)

531 i'm for the rack, since Resident Evil will be home to monitor my laziness.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 09, 2016 03:33 AM (kaPZB)

532 The left have done their phsyco crap against our military for my whole life. It's part of their anti US theme.

This is part of the pro US theme of this presidential campaign.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at March 09, 2016 03:34 AM (GzDYP)

533 I don't think it is that...most folks know someone in the military. They know we aren't robots...they support us. Some just either failed making in the military or had a run-in with a service member. And it is easy to say what they "think" someone would do in a crisis situation...having NEVER been in one in their entir lives
Posted by: tankkiller69 at March 09, 2016 03:14 AM (71ysr)

I think a lot of this is due to what for lack of a better term I call the Gell-Mann group amnesia fallacy (I'm sure there's some fancy psychological term for this but I've yet to find it).) where when it comes to a group that they're a part of and/or very familiar with people know and understand that it's actually made up of all kinds of people and personalities - some bastards, some goodness personified, and most somewhere in between - and so it's difficult to say that that particular group will absolutely do x or y since you're really dealing with a large, varied group of individuals.

But as soon as it comes to a group that people are NOT familiar with (or don't particularly like) then all of sudden this deep knowledge of how groups of humans actually behave flies out the window and that group suddenly becomes nothing more than de-individualized automatons who will always do X and will never do Y. It's a common human failing but you particularly see it in internet comments.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 09, 2016 03:35 AM (wqVD1)

534 redc1c4
Thank you for your service...and certainly flying the Hawg was a pleasure. It is just disconcerting to see obvious America lovers turn against the military and civilian service folks when their hate should be directed against the criminals in D.C. And they are all criminals

Posted by: tankkiller69 at March 09, 2016 03:35 AM (71ysr)

535 Andy Wachowski came out to some entertainment mag bc he was afraid that the would be outed by the Daily Mail tho I havent seen anything yet. But how long did he think it was going to remain a secret?

Posted by: Feminist Bruce With a Feminist Wang! at March 09, 2016 03:36 AM (iQIUe)

536 And I had a UCMJ incident in mine O.O

Posted by: tankkiller69 at March 09, 2016 03:36 AM (71ysr)

537 Here's something fun to think about - NFL Free Agency signings begin in about 5-6 hours.

So, whatcha got in that dream chest boys?

Posted by: CozMark at March 09, 2016 03:37 AM (CbGSW)

538 519
I would like to take this opportunity to thank cthulhu for his explication of deflation on the macroeconomy.

It was really, really good. I, for one, understood what he said.

A round of plaudits for cthulhu everybody!

Posted by: CozMark at March 09, 2016 03:17 AM (CbGSW)

(a) I was drunk at the time and only vaguely remember this topic.

(b) Without a link, I can't verify that my rambling was other than complete drunken nonsense.

(c) I'm a Moron. I try to help out other Morons. If I'm helpful [blind squirrel, nut] in a particular instance, that's just fine [personal thanks might be nice]....if not, I'm merely declaiming into the abyss.

(d) which makes calls for "plaudits" from "everybody" inherently weird.....maybe they didn't benefit from my babbling, why should they give "plaudits"?

(e) which makes me wonder exactly who this person is and what they are trying to accomplish. And, I note, we seem to have already been visited by Ira [banned, invisible], Mirror Universe Cthulhu [banned, invisible], and sexypig [visible] in this thread.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 03:39 AM (EzgxV)

539 Maet
I get that..but. Come on..we are normal Amaricans...people watch to many corrupt Hollywood movies or read anti-American books. I am your neighbor, friend or cousin...we can distinguish between dropping GBU-12's on ISIS and slamming AGM-88's into a house in a house in San Antonio. We are no different than you

Posted by: tankkiller69 at March 09, 2016 03:40 AM (71ysr)

540 Maet
Sorry for the Mis-spellings...7 beers and countering a COB will do that

Posted by: tankkiller69 at March 09, 2016 03:42 AM (71ysr)

541 Well, now I've seen a MUC (zKOJz) @538. Not as exciting as I'd hoped. Is that one using the unsecured neighbor or the McDonalds across the alley?

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 03:43 AM (EzgxV)

542 An NHS consultant who demanded a Muslim surgeon removed her hijab ahead of an operation has been suspended.

Dr Vladislav Rogozov revealed in a blog that he confronted the surgeon, saying that he could see it was spotted with blood from previous surgery.

However she refused to remove it and stormed out, later accusing Dr Rogozov, 46, of racial discrimination.

Sheffield's Royal Hallamshire Hospital was then forced to find an emergency replacement for the upset surgeon.

.......

The Czech-born doctor also said that unscheduled prayer breaks during surgery were being taken by Muslim staff, which caused issues for their colleagues.

http://goo.gl/eJyzJu

===========
Whether blood or not, it shd not have been worn. Additionally, she shd be suspended or fired for abandoning her patients.

Posted by: Feminist Bruce With a Feminist Wang! at March 09, 2016 03:44 AM (iQIUe)

543 Well, cthulhu, never mind.

Maybe you should let everyone know that you're hammered before you comment.

Or, is that just a general assumption we should take into consideration?

Posted by: CozMark at March 09, 2016 03:45 AM (CbGSW)

544 Bloody hell, I'd settle for a printer that worked properly for a year without losing it's shit in the middle of something you need right damned now.

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 09, 2016 03:08 AM (+YMhA)

^^^this^^^ RKae keeps looking for conspiracies in the auto industry, but computer printers are a real racket. Many printer manufacturers are putting "death genes" into printer cartridges now, so that they simply quit working after a certain elapsed time, or on a certain date, and refilling them doesn't help. And new cartridges cost damn near as much as a whole printer.

I don't use a printer much, but when I need one, dammit, I need it. And then the damn ink cartridge is dry, or skips. I would happily pay $300 for a durable printer that used bulk ink in bottles, and had a routine to flush the print head after use, to put it in dormant mode. I don't ask that it last forever, but I would like to see the manufacturer guarantee to support it for ten years minimum, and then extend that by 5-year increments if sufficient numbers of that model were still in service.

And here's a free get-rich-quick idea: why even have a printer, if, like me, you maybe print an average of a dozen pages per month? The marginal cost per page is really pretty high. So, buy a couple of high-end printers, and maybe a plotter. Rent a warehouse bay, or even work in your garage. You don't need a store front. Hook up with Uber, or Lyft to act as your delivery service. Advertise in Yellow Pages, on line, and in local media, "Printer On The Run". Your customers can simply set your Web site as their default printer, or else print to a pdf writer, and e-mail you the pdf. You print it, call a driver, and your customer has their printed page in hand inside of an hour.

Maybe $5 for the first page, and fifty cents a page for the next ten or so, and decreasing on a sliding scale for larger orders? Myself, I wouldn't pay five bucks for printing something trivial, but an important document like an airline boarding pass? Damn right I would.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 03:48 AM (/i7Ua)

545 539 Maet
I get that..but. Come on..we are normal Amaricans...people watch to many corrupt Hollywood movies or read anti-American books. I am your neighbor, friend or cousin...we can distinguish between dropping GBU-12's on ISIS and slamming AGM-88's into a house in a house in San Antonio. We are no different than you
Posted by: tankkiller69 at March 09, 2016 03:40 AM (71ysr)

Well I'm describing it - not agreeing with it. Unfortunately it's a real phenomenon. Once you're the Other in some fashion, then all common sense and expectations based on everyday interpersonal experience seem to fly right out the window.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 09, 2016 03:48 AM (wqVD1)

546 524
I remember your reporting of the incident. What's the prognosis for the Suburban?

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 03:06 AM (EzgxV)

$7600 Cdn. repair estimate. Which puts it in write-off territory. I
will probably take a cash settlement from the other party's insurer, and
keep the bones. I know I could fix it, and do safely, myself. But I
don't know if I will. I estimate that there is 20-40 percent useful life
left in the engine and transmission. Is it worth my while to spend many
days of my labor to repair a truck that will be miled-out sooner rather
than later? If I had already replaced or rebuilt the engine and
transmission, it would be a no-brainer, and I would go ahead and fix it.
Probably better to pick the bones of the '96 to upgrade my low-miles
plain-Jane '97, and pocket the cash.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 03:21 AM (/i7Ua)

What's the chance of finding a Suburban that someone had run with no oil until the engine seized?

And, BTW, you gave the impression that your pup took the ride but wasn't hurt. Can you confirm that the doggeh is doing ok? It is really amazing and praiseworthy that the driver walked away.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 03:50 AM (EzgxV)

547 Been awake since 3 am but up for real now
Good morning horde

Posted by: Skip at March 09, 2016 03:52 AM (fizMZ)

548 -Posted by: trump 1 at March 09, 2016 03:52 AM (pfosS)

Not on the ONT. Thank you.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 09, 2016 03:53 AM (OQ9R7)

549 Maet
I re-read what you posted, and I agree. Didn't mean to argue with you. I guess most people are so far removed from issues like war and killing, they take a visceral approach to those that have to do it. And I can't blame them. Yes, fighter pilots get all the acclaim and praise from the public because we do the air shows and everybody wants to fly fighters...but we are no more important than the Marine doing door-to-door, as my wife reminds me. My point is that we all take an oath...and the VAST majority will follow it.

Posted by: tankkiller69 at March 09, 2016 03:54 AM (71ysr)

550 543
Well, cthulhu, never mind.

Maybe you should let everyone know that you're hammered before you comment.

Or, is that just a general assumption we should take into consideration?

Posted by: CozMark at March 09, 2016 03:45 AM (CbGSW)

If it's the ONT, the probability is greater than 0.5.

....and you're now on the radar.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 03:58 AM (EzgxV)

551 ....and you're now on the radar.

Posted by: cthulhu

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Likewise. Jackass.

Posted by: CozMark at March 09, 2016 04:00 AM (CbGSW)

552 What's the chance of finding a Suburban that someone had run with no oil until the engine seized?

And, BTW, you gave the impression that your pup took the ride but wasn't hurt. Can you confirm that the doggeh is doing ok? It is really amazing and praiseworthy that the driver walked away.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 03:50 AM (EzgxV)

Oh, I will keep an eye peeled for a donor body. But the engine and transmission are tired. Past their "best-before" date. And I have alternate vehicles. Since the '96 Diesel was my favorite, I used it the most. What I should do is keep an eye out for the best low-mileage '98 or '99 Diesel Suburban offered for sale (which ever is the final year of that model) and buy it. Then the bones of the '96 can be a source of parts to keep the new one alive.

And the doggeh is fine. Asleep in her little doggie bed right behind me, she is. I think she was curled up asleep in her seat in the truck at the time of the wreck, so she really wasn't in a position to be injured by the G-forces.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 04:01 AM (/i7Ua)

553

Israel News Flash
URUGUAY Jewish man dies after being stabbed at least 10 times by a Muslim attacker shouting ALLAH AKBAR

Latest terror victim stabbed to death in Tel Aviv, US Vet Taylor Force who served in Afghanistan & Iraq

Posted by: Feminist Bruce With a Feminist Wang! at March 09, 2016 04:01 AM (iQIUe)

554 The thing I wonder if even Ted was president how much of this social engineering experiment in the military would stop or slow down. Or is it the balls rolling the best you can do is guide it a little.

Posted by: Skip at March 09, 2016 04:04 AM (fizMZ)

555
IDF cutie:

https://goo.gl/oEX22H

Posted by: Feminist Bruce With a Feminist Wang! at March 09, 2016 04:05 AM (iQIUe)

556 Well, I have to go to bed. Busy day of framing (aka wood-butchering) tomorrow. Which reminds me, got to go put the other cordless drill battery on the charger. So I start the day with two charged batteries.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 04:05 AM (/i7Ua)

557 544
Bloody hell, I'd settle for a printer that worked properly for a year
without losing it's shit in the middle of something you need right
damned now.

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 09, 2016 03:08 AM (+YMhA)

^^^this^^^ RKae keeps looking for conspiracies in the auto
industry, but computer printers are a real racket. Many printer
manufacturers are putting "death genes" into printer cartridges now, so
that they simply quit working after a certain elapsed time, or on a
certain date, and refilling them doesn't help. And new cartridges cost
damn near as much as a whole printer.

I don't use a printer much, but when I need one, dammit, I need
it. And then the damn ink cartridge is dry, or skips. I would happily
pay $300 for a durable printer that used bulk ink in bottles, and had a
routine to flush the print head after use, to put it in dormant mode. I
don't ask that it last forever, but I would like to see the manufacturer
guarantee to support it for ten years minimum, and then extend that by
5-year increments if sufficient numbers of that model were still in
service.

And here's a free get-rich-quick idea: why even have a
printer, if, like me, you maybe print an average of a dozen pages per
month? The marginal cost per page is really pretty high. So, buy a
couple of high-end printers, and maybe a plotter. Rent a warehouse bay,
or even work in your garage. You don't need a store front. Hook up with
Uber, or Lyft to act as your delivery service. Advertise in Yellow
Pages, on line, and in local media, "Printer On The Run". Your customers
can simply set your Web site as their default printer, or else print to
a pdf writer, and e-mail you the pdf. You print it, call a driver, and
your customer has their printed page in hand inside of an hour.

Maybe $5 for the first page, and fifty cents a page for the next ten
or so, and decreasing on a sliding scale for larger orders? Myself, I
wouldn't pay five bucks for printing something trivial, but an important
document like an airline boarding pass? Damn right I would.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 09, 2016 03:48 AM (/i7Ua)

No shit. We just got an HP 8630 less than a year ago and it's failed-out. Looking online, you have to print a couple of pages per week or the ink dries hard in the ink nozzles -- we have Linux systems, we could have put that on a cron.....but, no....the printer is less than a year old, we haven't exhausted our setup cartridges, we've done maybe 50 pages, and it's slagged.

It's a project on my list to try to get it working again, but if I can't this will be the last HP inkjet I will ever own.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 04:06 AM (EzgxV)

558 Good night guys. I love you all. And thanks to Maet, for all that you do.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at March 09, 2016 04:08 AM (GzDYP)

559 G'Night, Ev'ry-Buddy!

*static*

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 09, 2016 04:09 AM (OQ9R7)

560 I have 3 printers that do not work. I've gone thru so many printers it's a crime. The last one the ink froze because I didnt use it for a while.

Posted by: Feminist Bruce With a Feminist Wang! at March 09, 2016 04:09 AM (iQIUe)

561 Any one know why Kyle Odom was outside the WH? Is obama a Martian?

Posted by: Feminist Bruce With a Feminist Wang! at March 09, 2016 04:10 AM (iQIUe)

562 Alberta OP- I go through cordless drills like people go through socks, I'm on my 4th Bosch so right now I have 8 batteries, never run out. I hope.

Posted by: Skip at March 09, 2016 04:11 AM (fizMZ)

563 560
I have 3 printers that do not work. I've gone thru so many printers it's
a crime. The last one the ink froze because I didnt use it for a while.

Posted by: Feminist Bruce With a Feminist Wang! at March 09, 2016 04:09 AM (iQIUe)

Our previous printer was an HP7430. Developed document-feeding problems, new ones were cheaper and had better specs, we thought we'd upgrade. New one, you don't print for 3 weeks and the entire printer permanently dies. WTF?

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 04:14 AM (EzgxV)

564 Great quotes tonight Maet, it's not long cat but really sums up the state of the country.

Posted by: Skip at March 09, 2016 04:18 AM (fizMZ)

565 #544

Get a cheap Samsung laser printer. The one I have right now has had exactly one paper jam in hundreds of print jobs. WiFi, Ethernet, duplex, all under $100. (It wasn't that long ago that duplexers cost hundreds as add-ons, likewise for network cards.) I rarely need color, so I usually take those to someone with the right printer and buy some from them. BW lasers are amazing values these days. The first laser printer I worked with back in the 80s was $8,000 and not nearly as good as my current Samsung. Leaving inflation aside,

If you need color frequently enough to bother owning your own, look into the Epson EcoTank line introduced last year. They decided to break with business model of nearly giving away the printer to stick people with constant and costly ink cartridge. Instead they designed some model with big tanks of ink good for a considerable number of pages and charge accordingly, so you know what you're really paying up front.

http://tinyurl.com/oo3sch5

Posted by: Epobirs at March 09, 2016 04:24 AM (IdCqF)

566 If it's the ONT, the probability is greater than 0.5.

....and you're now on the radar.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 03:58 AM (EzgxV)

*****

I have been reliably assured that there is no Caste or historical hierarchy based system here, and that every comment stands on its own merits.

Knowing this, what can your comment possibly mean?

Lighten up, Frances.

Posted by: Tim in GA at March 09, 2016 04:26 AM (YLidQ)

567 Night all.

Here is "Fields of Sun" by Iron Butterfly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JOXDoMTcME

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 09, 2016 04:26 AM (vBeA5)

568 565
#544

Get a cheap Samsung laser printer. The one I have right now
has had exactly one paper jam in hundreds of print jobs. WiFi, Ethernet,
duplex, all under $100. (It wasn't that long ago that duplexers cost
hundreds as add-ons, likewise for network cards.) I rarely need color,
so I usually take those to someone with the right printer and buy some
from them. BW lasers are amazing values these days. The first laser
printer I worked with back in the 80s was $8,000 and not nearly as good
as my current Samsung. Leaving inflation aside,

If you need
color frequently enough to bother owning your own, look into the Epson
EcoTank line introduced last year. They decided to break with business
model of nearly giving away the printer to stick people with constant
and costly ink cartridge. Instead they designed some model with big
tanks of ink good for a considerable number of pages and charge
accordingly, so you know what you're really paying up front.

http://tinyurl.com/oo3sch5

Posted by: Epobirs at March 09, 2016 04:24 AM (IdCqF)

We had an HP4000DN (that I loved) and got a 400dne that more accurately works with our duty-cycle (much faster 1st page, 25% faster per page -- less paper capacity, fewer paper handling options) on the laser/B+W side. The color/scanner/copier side isn't doing as well.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 04:31 AM (EzgxV)

569 >>>...and you're now on the radar.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 03:58 AM (EzgxV)

*****
"I have been reliably assured that there is no Caste or historical hierarchy based system here, and that every comment stands on its own merits.
Knowing this, what can your comment possibly mean?
Lighten up, Frances."
-Posted by: Tim in GA at March 09, 2016 04:26 AM (YLidQ)

No doubt. I didn't see that comment. What the heck, Cooth? Since when has CozMark ever been a problem?

I don't think he was trying to be "too cute" with his previous comment.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 09, 2016 04:32 AM (OQ9R7)

570 566
If it's the ONT, the probability is greater than 0.5.

....and you're now on the radar.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 03:58 AM (EzgxV)

*****

I have been reliably assured that there is no Caste or historical
hierarchy based system here, and that every comment stands on its own
merits.

Knowing this, what can your comment possibly mean?

Lighten up, Frances.

Posted by: Tim in GA at March 09, 2016 04:26 AM (YLidQ)

I was served a keylogger from a link tossed by Ira, who I considered a fellow Moron, if occasionally hostile. I've got 10 silent systems and 14 embargoed disks because I clicked on a link on an AoS thread. I paid for about $2500 of disk forensics because I wanted to be certain to keep The Horde safe, and found the little malware bugger -- in the meantime, however, Ira had managed to get himself banned. I know who it was, when it happened, and the malware used -- and I really wouldn't wish the experience on anyone.....even those who would snark, "lighten-up, Frances" at me.

Did you notice something interesting? Did you notice that sexypig disappeared while Ira and MUC ran rampant? When did that start? You used to have a good sense of smell.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 04:48 AM (EzgxV)

571 Your skin is still a little burned, amigo. I get that. I have no idea what I'm missing.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 09, 2016 04:51 AM (OQ9R7)

572 ...and it is not as if I haven't over-reacted before!

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 09, 2016 04:55 AM (OQ9R7)

573 Did you notice something interesting? Did you notice that sexypig disappeared while Ira and MUC ran rampant? When did that start? You used to have a good sense of smell.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 04:48 AM (EzgxV)

*****

1. You in no way answered my post, but went off on your own tangent.

2. How does this post involve Cozmark? Please explain.

Posted by: Tim in GA at March 09, 2016 04:56 AM (YLidQ)

574 Good morning.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at March 09, 2016 05:04 AM (qiqGr)

575 569
>>>...and you're now on the radar.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 03:58 AM (EzgxV)

*****

"I have been reliably assured that there is no Caste or
historical hierarchy based system here, and that every comment stands on
its own merits.

Knowing this, what can your comment possibly mean?

Lighten up, Frances."

-Posted by: Tim in GA at March 09, 2016 04:26 AM (YLidQ)

No doubt. I didn't see that comment. What the heck, Cooth? Since when has CozMark ever been a problem?

I don't think he was trying to be "too cute" with his previous comment.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 09, 2016 04:32 AM (OQ9R7)

I don't know that he was trying to be "too cute" with his previous comment -- but I've had to do a risk assessment/analysis for this blog. There are safeguards in place (public hashes) for malicious socking of regulars -- and the penalty is quite clearly banning.

But there is a significant threat that someone could show up and sock someone who has been gone for a while, claim the hash changed because of "internet problems", and imitate the persona until the Horde became comfortable....

I'll be looking at CozMark with special scrutiny until lulled into complacency. I am doing my best to safeguard the Horde by letting them know this. Anyone not wanting to observe my caution is free to continue.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 05:06 AM (EzgxV)

576 Happy Wachowski Wednesday.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at March 09, 2016 05:07 AM (pbBzW)

577 I have been reliably assured that there is no Caste or historical hierarchy based system here, and that every comment stands on its own merits.

There are definitely some Untouchables among the commenters.

Lighten up, Frances.

Posted by: Tim in GA at March 09, 2016 04:26 AM (YLidQ)

I believe Psycho was "Francis". But the French ought to lighten up, too ... fuckers.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 09, 2016 05:09 AM (zc3Db)

578 Okay. I think you're wrong on this one. Just for the record.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 09, 2016 05:09 AM (OQ9R7)

579 But there is a significant threat that someone could show up and sock someone who has been gone for a while, claim the hash changed because of "internet problems", and imitate the persona until the Horde became comfortable....

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 05:06 AM (EzgxV)

Uh ....

And then what?

Come on, cooth. It's only a blog with a dark ages commenting system. The only thing this blog could threaten is a runny nose.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 09, 2016 05:11 AM (zc3Db)

580 571
Your skin is still a little burned, amigo. I get that. I have no idea what I'm missing.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 09, 2016 04:51 AM (OQ9R7)

Short answer -- I don't assume you're always my friend if you use the nic of someone who was my friend; acting in a way that seems odd on an established nic will put a watch on that nic.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 05:12 AM (EzgxV)

581 Okay. I'ma hit the showers. Later, Gators.

*pulls down the shade*

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 09, 2016 05:16 AM (OQ9R7)

582 579
But there is a significant threat that someone could show up and sock
someone who has been gone for a while, claim the hash changed because
of "internet problems", and imitate the persona until the Horde became
comfortable....

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 05:06 AM (EzgxV)

Uh ....

And then what?

Come on, cooth. It's only a blog with a dark ages commenting system. The only thing this blog could threaten is a runny nose.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 09, 2016 05:11 AM (zc3Db)
579
But there is a significant threat that someone could show up and sock
someone who has been gone for a while, claim the hash changed because
of "internet problems", and imitate the persona until the Horde became
comfortable....

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 05:06 AM (EzgxV)

Uh ....

And then what?

Come on, cooth. It's only a blog with a dark ages commenting system. The only thing this blog could threaten is a runny nose.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 09, 2016 05:11 AM (zc3Db)

Mid-May, 2015 -- every computer I own is torn apart, all hard drives in one box, all computers lined up on the other side of the room. June 1, 2015, calling Discover -- "when was my last online access?" "Yesterday."

The only thing this blog could threaten is to drop malware on you that will keylog user/password combos and allow an asshole who calls himself Ira to rummage through your financial accounts. Or, worse, some smarter Russian who might do real damage.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 05:22 AM (EzgxV)

583 578
Okay. I think you're wrong on this one. Just for the record.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 09, 2016 05:09 AM (OQ9R7)

I hope so, but the protocol is that you're on the list until you aren't.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 05:23 AM (EzgxV)

584 Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 05:22 AM (EzgxV)

You didn't get any malware infection from this blog. There's no way for anyone to infect anything from these comments. This commenting system is barely powerful enough to carry full English sentences, let alone any sort of code.

If you don't trust links then don't click on any but there is no "threat" of any kind from any commenter. None. This is nothing but text and a few silly Unicode characters. Nothing in code. It's just text.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 09, 2016 05:26 AM (zc3Db)

585 Things got a bit scrambled, so one important point was missed -- if you click a link, including a tinyurl link that goes to somewhere within someone's control, it can easily have a picture or a spreadsheet or a story or a video that also includes malware. If the malware includes a keylogger, or the ability to load a keylogger in the future, it can rapidly gain access to all of your financial accounts.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 05:29 AM (EzgxV)

586 Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 05:29 AM (EzgxV)

It wasn't missed. I told you - if you don't trust links then don't go to them. There's nothing lost by not following any links. Shit, we can't even click on links, here, but have to copy and paste them to go see, so it's not like it's even convenient to follow someone's link. I hardly ever follow the links. It's just not worth the effort.

If you don't go to any links then you never have to worry about anything here.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 09, 2016 05:33 AM (zc3Db)

587 584
Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 05:22 AM (EzgxV)

You didn't get any malware infection from this blog. There's no way
for anyone to infect anything from these comments. This commenting
system is barely powerful enough to carry full English sentences, let
alone any sort of code.

If you don't trust links then don't click on any but there is no
"threat" of any kind from any commenter. None. This is nothing but
text and a few silly Unicode characters. Nothing in code. It's just
text.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 09, 2016 05:26 AM (zc3Db)

I don't know why you're so adamant about this issue. I'm reasonably certain about the exact event when I was hit -- and the forensics that I've been able to safely access have pretty-much confirmed it. Once Ira had been banned, his posts showed up for only one refresh. He started to post taunting comments in his flickering posts, including information he'd gleaned from my email, alternating with "random" links and taunts. One dropped link, with a suitable taunt, went to a picture of a chicken.....that took a while to load. Being polymorphic malware, it was making itself at home before loading a keylogger. I was fortunate and paranoid enough to detect this in days and shut it down.

Yeah, there's no reason to worry about reading the comments. But there's a YUGE difference between following the links of Ace and the cob-loggers and following a commenter's link.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 05:44 AM (EzgxV)

588 Howdy horde. Can't sleep anymore. I guess I'm excited that I get to use my new arc welder today.

Also, no one has mentioned that brown shoes don't make it?

Posted by: freaked at March 09, 2016 05:48 AM (BO/km)

589 Good one, Maet.

But we have got to stop meeting like this. I'm overdrawn with the sandman.

Posted by: creeper at March 09, 2016 05:49 AM (eBsWa)

590 586
Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 05:29 AM (EzgxV)

It wasn't missed. I told you - if you don't trust links then don't
go to them. There's nothing lost by not following any links. Shit, we
can't even click on links, here, but have to copy and paste them to go
see, so it's not like it's even convenient to follow someone's link. I
hardly ever follow the links. It's just not worth the effort.

If you don't go to any links then you never have to worry about anything here.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 09, 2016 05:33 AM (zc3Db)

I agree that Ace and the cobs have reasonable screens for malware and that you can follow their links and those on the sidebar without concern. Links from commenters should only be jumped if you know the commenter, they're really who they say they are, and they go someplace safe.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 05:49 AM (EzgxV)

591 freaked,

Lucky you. Doubles as a generator?

Posted by: creeper at March 09, 2016 05:49 AM (eBsWa)

592 Nah it's just a little 90 amp wire welder from Harbor Freight. I've been wanting / needing one for a while and am working on an exhaust system for the race car. I already have 2 other generators.

Posted by: freaked at March 09, 2016 05:53 AM (BO/km)

593 589
Good one, Maet.

But we have got to stop meeting like this. I'm overdrawn with the sandman.

Posted by: creeper at March 09, 2016 05:49 AM (eBsWa)

Seriously, does no one else find this creepy?

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 05:55 AM (EzgxV)

594 Seriously, does no one else find this creepy?

If cthulhu finds something creepy it must truly be. What's your position on Harry Reid?

Posted by: freaked at March 09, 2016 05:57 AM (BO/km)

595
594
Seriously, does no one else find this creepy?

If cthulhu finds something creepy it must truly be. What's your position on Harry Reid?

Posted by: freaked at March 09, 2016 05:57 AM (BO/km)

Extra-double-creepy.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 05:59 AM (EzgxV)

596 Hey cthulhu #2 son and I got to scuba in the big tank with the Whale Sharks at the Georgia Aquarium last week. I always wondered what it looked like from the fish's point of view. As expected it's like swimming around in a big fish tank.

One of the things they told us is don't stare at the groupers. They don't like that.

Posted by: freaked at March 09, 2016 06:04 AM (BO/km)

597 LMAO @ cooth. I am the mistress of "creepy".

Just FYI, the nick comes from our original net computer...a 486 on dialup.

Posted by: creeper at March 09, 2016 06:07 AM (eBsWa)

598 596
Hey cthulhu #2 son and I got to scuba in the big tank with the Whale
Sharks at the Georgia Aquarium last week. I always wondered what it
looked like from the fish's point of view. As expected it's like
swimming around in a big fish tank.

One of the things they told us is don't stare at the groupers. They don't like that.

Posted by: freaked at March 09, 2016 06:04 AM (BO/km)

That's awesome!!! We've been to the Georgia Aquarium and it is World-Class, Fantastic, and Yuge, though suffering from a lack of gold-leaf and five capitalized letters. We didn't do the SCUBA, though. I don't know about staring at the groupers, but we had an interesting encounter with a black sea bass on the backside of Anacapa Island.....when you see a 5' animal in its home, it reminds you that you're a visitor.

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 06:10 AM (EzgxV)

599 >>> One of the things they told us is don't stare at the groupers. They don't like that.

The happy fun ball of the ocean.

Posted by: fluffy at March 09, 2016 06:10 AM (2hcmo)

600 So now Mrs. F wants to setup a tank again. I took it down after the last Angel Fish died. I don't want to mess with salt water again so am thinking 2-4 cichlids but not angels.

Posted by: freaked at March 09, 2016 06:17 AM (BO/km)

601 600
So now Mrs. F wants to setup a tank again. I took it down after the last
Angel Fish died. I don't want to mess with salt water again so am
thinking 2-4 cichlids but not angels.

Posted by: freaked at March 09, 2016 06:17 AM (BO/km)

How big of a tank? What is your water like?

Posted by: cthulhu at March 09, 2016 06:19 AM (EzgxV)

602 30 gal. Water here is pretty good and neutral. As I recall African cichlids like it a little acidic.

Posted by: freaked at March 09, 2016 06:22 AM (BO/km)

603 Well I was wrong about that. I just looke and African cichlids like it a little alkaline. It's been over 20 years since i've kept any though.

Posted by: freaked at March 09, 2016 06:25 AM (BO/km)

604 That's a great quote from Garry Kasparov. Someone should let Bernie know.

Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 06:26 AM (O98j8)

605 544 - "why even have a printer, if, like me, you maybe print an average of a dozen pages per month? The marginal cost per page is really pretty high. "

I use the local library. .20/page. If I need multiple copies I'll just print out one, then go to the local print shop which charges .09/page for b&w copies.

Posted by: Moron Labe at March 09, 2016 06:26 AM (EvQd4)

606 Ha that pic of Munchkin Rubio on Drudge is hilarious.

Posted by: freaked at March 09, 2016 06:28 AM (BO/km)

607 "Socialism, The Nightmare That Never Dies"

Good morning. My name is Bernie and I'm a Socialist. For years and years I thought I could "fix" all of society's ills with just one more government department, just one more regulation, one more tax. But I couldn't stop. I'd awaken the next morning in a stupor, and the problem was worse than ever...

Posted by: Socialiststs Anonymous at March 09, 2016 06:35 AM (pbBzW)

608

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 09, 2016 06:37 AM (HSmrB)

609 G'morning, all.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 09, 2016 06:41 AM (ptqRm)

610 I fondly remember the days when you could buy a disease-free lunch at Chipotle.

Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 06:41 AM (O98j8)

611 Marx grant me the arrogance to think I can fix all of society's problems,
Ruthlessness to destroy people's lives as I implement my "fixes",
And blindness, that I may never see that I'm actually making things worse.

Posted by: Socialiststs Anonymous at March 09, 2016 06:44 AM (pbBzW)

612 Sadly, every time you think you've got socialism beat a new crop of useful idiots spring forth to tout its benefits after being encouraged throughout their growing years by the same clowns that failed the last time.

The problem is that they really haven't experienced the deprivation and death that normally accompany failed attempts at its implementation ot they totally ignore ongoing demonstrations like Venezuela.

Posted by: Gmac-Riding hot rails to Hell-#twoweeks at March 09, 2016 06:44 AM (4pjhs)

613 Then came Trump, and the burritos went to novovirus hell.

I don't know if the two events are connected, but maybe...

Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 06:45 AM (O98j8)

614 Can anyone explain why Rubio should be the VP candidate? He's won one state and has finished horribly in most. At this point, Kasich would be the better VP candidate as he pulls in the GOPe types and polls well in certain areas.

Posted by: WOPR at March 09, 2016 06:46 AM (LTDSy)

615 The betting markets say Vic has a particularly juicy Rubio article lined up.

Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 06:47 AM (O98j8)

616 The betting markets say Vic has a particularly juicy Rubio article lined up.
Posted by: MTF

Psychiatrists discover: yes, watching the Matrix too many times can make you ghey.

Posted by: Wachowski sisters at March 09, 2016 06:53 AM (pbBzW)

617 Can anyone explain why Rubio should be the VP candidate? He's won one state and has finished horribly in most. At this point, Kasich would be the better VP candidate as he pulls in the GOPe types and polls well in certain areas.
Posted by: WOPR

Kasich acts and talks like a democrat. That won't work in our favor, because the MFM and the left will ignore that (see McCain) and they WILL play up any division. Remember when Barbara Bush said that she was pro-abortion?

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2016 06:55 AM (326rv)

618 Can anyone explain why Rubio should be the VP candidate?

Nate Silver describes Rubio as "everyone's second choice", based on polling data. He is "the most broadly acceptable candidate" in the GOP, and one of the few with high favorable ratings.

That's why the GOPe expected him to do well, forgetting that in a broad field no voter has to take their "second choice" and he therefore never could get rolling in advance of the time voters figured what a squish he is likely to be.

But those qualities might still make him somebody's idea of a good Veep candidate, especially in a race where the top two Republicans also have the highest negatives.

Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 06:55 AM (O98j8)

619 Sooo...I thought the white supremacist enclave of Idaho was supposed to go to Trump.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 09, 2016 07:01 AM (oVJmc)

620 "612
Sadly, every time you think you've got socialism beat a new crop of
useful idiots spring forth to tout its benefits after being encouraged
throughout their growing years by the same clowns that failed the last
time.

The problem is that they really haven't experienced the
deprivation and death that normally accompany failed attempts at its
implementation ot they totally ignore ongoing demonstrations like
Venezuela.

Posted by: Gmac-Riding hot rails to Hell-#twoweeks at March 09, 2016 06:44 AM (4pjhs)"

Those failures you claim for socialism were not *real* socialism. That is why there is no need to defend Venezuela or the Berlin Wall or the Gulag or the millions who starved to death in China or Ukraine or why every socialist country seems to run out of toilet paper.

Real socialism is like shopping at IKEA. They have a cafeteria where you can get Swedish meatballs with lingenberry jelly and when you are done eating, you bus your own table because it is socialism. That is what real socialism is like.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at March 09, 2016 07:09 AM (QHgTq)

621 I won the pointy white hat vote!

Posted by: Ted Cruz at March 09, 2016 07:10 AM (2bqlb)

622 >>> Real socialism is like shopping at IKEA.

Buying pressboard furniture with funny names scaled for tiny houses. Afterward, some smelly guy named Achmed tries to grope your wife in the parking lot.

Pass.

Posted by: fluffy at March 09, 2016 07:12 AM (2hcmo)

623 It's going to be a beautiful day. Under socialism I could skip work and just enjoy it, while still keeping my fair and just income. Have I got that right?

Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 07:14 AM (O98j8)

624
"It's going to be a beautiful day. Under socialism I could skip work and just enjoy it, while still keeping my fair and just income. Have I got that right?"

Ask the French. I believe the answer is

[X] Yes
[ ] No

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 07:15 AM (WVsWD)

625 Nate Silver describes Rubio as "everyone's second choice", based on polling data. He is "the most broadly acceptable candidate" in the GOP, and one of the few with high favorable ratings.

Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 06:55 AM (O98j

I would buy that if he shot up to second after a lot of the other candidates dropped out. It didn't happen. Instead he's been trending down.

A lot of times second choice is always the second choice. Sure the nerdy guy is the cheerleader's second choice unless she can get the running back when the QB drops her.

Posted by: WOPR at March 09, 2016 07:16 AM (LTDSy)

626 Nate Silver describes Rubio as "everyone's second choice", based on polling data.

Yet, he comes in fourth.

Clear the field, he's #1.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 09, 2016 07:19 AM (oVJmc)

627 What happened to Lauren Southern makes me sick... modern feminism isn't about women, it's about tribalism...all the adolescent thrills of belonging to the mean girl clique while cloaking yourself in a "noble" cause.

Posted by: Gem at March 09, 2016 07:20 AM (c+gwp)

628 "I thought the white supremacist enclave of Idaho was supposed to go to Trump."

Apparently the nationalist white-supremacist vote went Cruz. Ya know, the Cuban-Canadian guy.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 07:20 AM (KYO8Z)

629 "Those failures you claim for socialism were not *real* socialism."

When they say shit like this, they need to be pressed on what could be done differently to prevent the process from being corrupted *this* time around. Then point out that no matter how good the rules are, people like Hillary, Obama or Mao will just ignore them and so you can never in principle get "real" socialism.

Posted by: Socialiststs Anonymous at March 09, 2016 07:20 AM (pbBzW)

630 626
Nate Silver describes Rubio as "everyone's second choice", based on polling data.

Yet, he comes in fourth.

Clear the field, he's #1.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel

By 'clearing the field' it would mean everyone else dropping out which clearly isn't happening.

Posted by: Gmac-Riding hot rails to Hell-#twoweeks at March 09, 2016 07:20 AM (4pjhs)

631

trump on msnbc

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 07:20 AM (qCMvj)

632 I never heard of this until yesterday, but Romney/Ryan is registered with the FEC as Presidential candidates.

http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00431171/1047622/

Also, the US may have air bases inside Syria.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa-base-idUSKCN0W80R7

Posted by: Lumpy at March 09, 2016 07:21 AM (y/bte)

633
Can anyone explain why Rubio should be the VP candidate?

Aside from his poor showings, he has skeletons in his closet that would sure to come out if he were on the ticket. Most of you are too young to remember Spiro Agnew, Nixon's VP. The last thing we need is something like that.

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at March 09, 2016 07:22 AM (j2xmV)

634 Nate Silver wrote nazi propaganda in WW II.

"The Counter attack was successful. We drove the enemy back 20 miles closer to our Capitol."

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 07:22 AM (WVsWD)

635 I didn't say I believed it (anymore). I was just trying to gin up the argument for the Rube as a Veep candidate.

Mostly I used to think he might be a Veep possibility because of Florida, but he looks like might end up third in Florida. His best career option might be "something different than politics". That's what you get for being rolled by John McCain and Chuck Schumer.

Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 07:22 AM (O98j8)

636 Socialism never goes away become one of humanity's essential flaws is a belief in human perfectability.

Posted by: Epobirs at March 09, 2016 07:23 AM (IdCqF)

637 " would buy that if he shot up to second after a lot of the other candidates dropped out. It didn't happen. Instead he's been trending down. "

The exit polls last night were fighting one another. Marco 4th but beating Trump in a two-man race.

?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 07:24 AM (KYO8Z)

638
By 'clearing the field' it would mean everyone else dropping out which clearly isn't happening.

Precisely. He's unstoppable when there's no opposition.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 09, 2016 07:24 AM (oVJmc)

639 What, no morning thread? Everyone out celebrating Don Trump's coronation?

Posted by: BurtTC at March 09, 2016 07:25 AM (Dj0WE)

640 Zippy has a nice simple explanation of Socialism.

http://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=260637

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 09, 2016 07:26 AM (ptqRm)

641 Socialism never goes away become one of humanity's essential flaws is a belief in human perfectability.

Posted by: Epobirs at March 09, 2016 07:23 AM (IdCqF)

After all of the imperfect ones end up in mass graves

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 09, 2016 07:26 AM (45oDG)

642

Lol, Woodward asked Trump how he was going to pay for the wall.

The wall.

Again.

And, he explains.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 07:27 AM (qCMvj)

643 Watching Franklin Graham on Fox. I've heard him say it before but he is so done with the GOP.

Could this be where/why evangelicals are going?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 07:27 AM (KYO8Z)

644 Mario Rubio, still gaining acceptance.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 09, 2016 07:27 AM (bpn7O)

645 Can anyone explain why Rubio should be the VP candidate?

Aside from his poor showings, he has skeletons in his closet that would sure to come out if he were on the ticket. Most of you are too young to remember Spiro Agnew, Nixon's VP. The last thing we need is something like that.
Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at March 09, 2016 07:22 AM (j2xmV)

He's got the cutest dimples. And when he gets excited he sorta sounds like the lead singer of Menudo.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 09, 2016 07:28 AM (Dj0WE)

646
Most of you are too young to remember Spiro Agnew, Nixon's VP. The last thing we need is something like that.

In ol' Ted Agnew's defense, I will at least say he knew that the MFM were a bunch of amoral jackals no more deserving of courtesy or kindness than a rabid dog. Little Marco would whore out his mother for a puff piece from the NYT.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 09, 2016 07:29 AM (X6fMO)

647

Woodward, how are you going to do this? Are you wiling to go to war...

what a dumbass

Trump: "When I rejuvenate the military, Mexico will not be threatening us with war."

woodward slapped down

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 07:29 AM (qCMvj)

648

katy kay's face lift- geez - alien

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 07:30 AM (qCMvj)

649 632 I never heard of this until yesterday, but Romney/Ryan is registered with the FEC as Presidential candidates.
-------------------------------------------

All this election needs . . . . a broken down clown car in the middle of the main tent.

Ann Romney must be tired of this stuff.

Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 07:30 AM (O98j8)

650 Bernie Sanders Tweets About Internet Access, Gets Epic Response

http://tinyurl.com/goltzfz

Weaselzippers

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 09, 2016 07:30 AM (oVJmc)

651 Woodward asked Trump how he was going to pay for the wall.

We're over $19 T in debt and it's fashionable to demand fiscal sanity here and only here.

This is yet another reason why Trump is winning.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2016 07:31 AM (326rv)

652 Woodward asked Trump how he was going to pay for the wall.

We're over $19 T in debt and it's fashionable to demand fiscal sanity here and only here.

This is yet another reason why Trump is winning.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2016 07:31 AM (326rv)

yep

I was laughing out loud watching him show off his Trump products at the presser. Oh man. This guy.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 07:32 AM (qCMvj)

653 Has there been any mention anywhere of the Mario Rufio voter caught yesterday in Missouri?

Guest of this country, he is, although we asked him to leave once, he came back anyway. He loves it here that much.

Decided to use some overly zealous voter persuasion methods with four folks in Kansas City, KS, and one more in Missouri.

Look up the name Pablo Antonio Serrano-Vitorino, if you want to find out more about this fine, American "citizen."

Posted by: BurtTC at March 09, 2016 07:33 AM (Dj0WE)

654 I've never been to an IKEA, but some relatives were talking about it over the weekend. It sounds horrible... you're forced to walk through a maze of their entire inventory before you find yourself alone in a huge warehouse struggling to hoist heavy boxes onto a cart without help. Then you get the stuff home and spend hours putting it together with incomprehensible instructions. No thanks!

Posted by: Gem at March 09, 2016 07:34 AM (c+gwp)

655

Trump is one year older than Hillary.

And 5 years younger than Bernie.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 07:34 AM (qCMvj)

656 Decided to use some overly zealous voter persuasion methods with four folks in Kansas City, KS, and one more in Missouri.

Look up the name Pablo Antonio Serrano-Vitorino, if you want to find out more about this fine, American "citizen."
Posted by: BurtTC

Did he kill strangers? or were they other 'dreamers'?

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2016 07:34 AM (326rv)

657 Seven hours later the predicted enstompening of this thread has not come to pass. You build 'em to last, Maet.

Posted by: creeper at March 09, 2016 07:34 AM (eBsWa)

658
Guest of this country, he is, although we asked him to leave once, he came back anyway. He loves it here that much.

I never heard that obvious question asked in all the coverage yesterday.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 09, 2016 07:34 AM (oVJmc)

659

Trump is destroying Cokie Robers, or w/e her name is.

Said her question was nasty. wow

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 07:34 AM (qCMvj)

660 Rubio wanders the US like Banquo's ghost, moving forward into broad, sunlit uplands of the rest of the map.

Meanwhile, NR brings the hate. My God! Where have they been these last few years. Had their denunciations against The Won been half so furious, where might we be? Had the GOPe acted on its broken promises without number, where might we be?

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 09, 2016 07:35 AM (bpn7O)

661

Holy crap, Trump is destroying Cokie.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 07:35 AM (qCMvj)

662 "I've never been to an IKEA,"

Been once. And that was enough.

But they do have meatballs, so.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 07:36 AM (KYO8Z)

663 Look up the name Pablo Antonio Serrano-Vitorino, if you want to find out more about this fine, American "citizen."
Posted by: BurtTC

Did he kill strangers? or were they other 'dreamers'?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2016 07:34 AM (326rv)

I hadn't heard. I figured we were waiting for the victim notification stuff, although the man in Missouri he killed yesterday, we know his name. Obviously a complete stranger to him, as he was on the run at that point.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 09, 2016 07:36 AM (Dj0WE)

664 Day three of not campaign drinking. The various esters, aldehydes, and ketones that had gathered in my muscles are beginning to leach out. Constant aches. My sinuses, increasingly rehydrated, are beginning to leak all the dried up mucus. Thank God the diarrhea is gone.

As God is my witness, I will overcome this election affliction.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 09, 2016 07:36 AM (bpn7O)

665 Updated Delegates won last night.

T 72
C 56

4 Delegates still unassigned.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 07:36 AM (WVsWD)

666 "Woodward asked Trump how he was going to pay for the wall."

Why from the savings in the budget wall would more than pay for the wall. Note: imaginary savings by implementing some program are often used to pay for many harebrained govt. schemes and claim they are "cost free". In this case those saving would actually materialize.

Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at March 09, 2016 07:37 AM (1BQGO)

667 Now. To make coffee.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 09, 2016 07:37 AM (bpn7O)

668

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 07:37 AM (WVsWD)

669 Guest of this country, he is, although we asked him to leave once, he came back anyway. He loves it here that much.
---------------------
I never heard that obvious question asked in all the coverage yesterday.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 09, 2016 07:34 AM (oVJmc)

INS reporting that now. Deported in 2004, came back... who the heck knows when.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 09, 2016 07:38 AM (Dj0WE)

670 Arrgghhh

Missed it by that much.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 07:38 AM (WVsWD)

671 The reason why nobody talks about the national debt any longer is because it's impossible to pay off.

If you take our 19 trillion dollar debt and try to pay it off using a 30 year time frame, it would cost you 633 billion a year to pay it off and that's without interest.

So there is going to have to be some sort of global reset because we ain't ever paying that sucker off.

Posted by: Kreplach at March 09, 2016 07:38 AM (1x9q1)

672 Then you get the stuff home and spend hours putting it together with incomprehensible instructions. No thanks!

Posted by: Gem at March 09, 2016 07:34 AM

To be accurate, it's worth noting that IKEA prices are somewhat easier to take than those at other major furniture/home products retailers.

I wouldn't want to go all IKEA on my living space now, but back in the day the opportunity to buy a clean new sofa or desk with the money I had in my pocket was irresistible.

And when the woodgrain paper begins to peel, there's always Krylon....

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 09, 2016 07:38 AM (WIZNc)

673 Holy crap, Trump is destroying Cokie.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 07:35 AM (qCMvj)

Good, it is about time someone took on the media.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at March 09, 2016 07:38 AM (YCG8H)

674 did marco give his victory speech?

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 09, 2016 07:39 AM (0O7c5)

675 Cokie Roberts is still rattling around? Her parents were Democrat congresscritters from Louisiana (mom succeeded dad), her sister, Barbara Sigmund, was a well-known Democrat mayor of Princeton, NJ and her brother, Bill Boggs, is still a major-league Democrat power-broker in Washington (and early investor in the first Capital Grille).

They don't any more establishment than Cokie.

Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 07:40 AM (O98j8)

676 Good, it is about time someone took on the media.
Posted by: Hanoverfist

poppycock.

Declining from engaging in such antics got me where I am today......what?

Posted by: Jeb! at March 09, 2016 07:41 AM (326rv)

677 "So there is going to have to be some sort of global reset because we ain't ever paying that sucker off."

I think so. I don't know what it's going to look like but somebody's gonna have to eat a lot of debt and like it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 07:42 AM (KYO8Z)

678 "Woodward asked Trump how he was going to pay for the wall."

Why from the savings in the budget wall would more than pay for the wall. Note: imaginary savings by implementing some program are often used to pay for many harebrained govt. schemes and claim they are "cost free". In this case those saving would actually materialize.
Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at March 09, 2016 07:37 AM (1BQGO)

So, Woodward kept interrupting Trump about how he was going to pay for the wall. He said he had 5 ways, and started to list them, when he kept getting cut off with the war crap and other things, so was never allowed.

Then, after Trump leaves, Woodward said he never got his question answered. What a-holes.

Cokie was all about "what about the children????" When children mock other "brown skinned " children saying Trump is going to deport them....

Trump came back with ILLEGAL! ILLEGALs will be deported.

He smacked her down again and again.

Then she tried some of think America is already great. Trump responded with: America has a lot of troubles, it is in trouble...

She lost every single leftie talking point with him. He was on fire, this early, must still be high after the wins.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 07:42 AM (qCMvj)

679 "Holy crap, Trump is destroying Cokie."

Where? Is that on NPR? I don't think I can bring myself to listen to that.

Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at March 09, 2016 07:42 AM (1BQGO)

680 "Holy crap, Trump is destroying Cokie."

Where? Is that on NPR? I don't think I can bring myself to listen to that.
Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at March 09, 2016 07:42 AM (1BQGO)

it's over, I hope soopermexican or whoever recorded it

it was lovely to watch

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 07:45 AM (qCMvj)

681

it was on msdnc (I had to see what the idiots were saying this morning)

mika is such a dope, I watch with wonder

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 07:46 AM (qCMvj)

682 She lost every single leftie talking point with him. He was on fire, this early, must still be high after the wins.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 07:42 AM

How the hell can anyone listen to someone called "Cokie"?

All I can think of is the lyrics from Minnie the Moocher -- "She loved him / But he was coke-y...."

Bring on Buffy and Muffy!

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 09, 2016 07:46 AM (WIZNc)

683

poodle dws on cnn

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 07:47 AM (qCMvj)

684 In case Joncelli does show up, I found a beautiful Orthodox prayer from the "The Orthodox Church" by Timothy Ware:

O Lord, Grant me to greet the coming day in peace. Help me in all things to rely upon your holy will. In every hour of the day reveal your will to me. Bless my dealings with all those who surround me. Teach me to treat all that comes throughout the day with peace of soul and with firm conviction that your will governs all. In all my deeds and words guide my thoughts and feelings. In unforeseen events let me not forget that you are with me. Teach me to act firmly and wisely, without embittering and embarrassing others. Give me strength to bear the fatigue of the coming day with all that it shall bring. Direct my will, teach me to pray, pray You Yourself in me. Amen.

That's one of the lovely things about the Orthodox church-the rich prayer tradition.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 09, 2016 07:47 AM (w4NZ8)

685
I think so. I don't know what it's going to look like but somebody's gonna have to eat a lot of debt and like it.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 07:42 AM (KYO8Z)

If you like your dollar devaluation, you can keep your dollar devaluation. Period!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 09, 2016 07:49 AM (EZebt)

686

Michael Steele (forgot all about him) now on msdnc too

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 07:50 AM (qCMvj)

687

Nice prayer, Fenelon.

thanks

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 07:50 AM (qCMvj)

688 "Michael Steele (forgot all about him) now on msdnc too"

Still giving wonderful advice to the GOP Base on who to vote for?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 07:51 AM (WVsWD)

689 Morning all

I'm a Cruz guy and wish he had done better last night but I big shout out to that dope romney who's guys kasich and rubio went down in flames and it was romney who helped push them over the cliff because he is such an asshole

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 07:51 AM (DUoqb)

690 Isn't the Primary Thread whichever post Ace types a + 5,000 word movie review?

*innocent look*Posted by: Jim at March 09, 2016 12:30 AM

The Promary Thread is the definitive Mary Ann vs. Ginger thread.

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at March 09, 2016 07:52 AM (sOhww)

691 >>>Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 07:38 AM (WVsWD)

***

Yeah, I always like to check out post 666. I also like 668, "Neighbor of the Beast".

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 09, 2016 07:54 AM (bpn7O)

692 I'm a Cruz guy and wish he had done better last night but I big shout out to that dope romney who's guys kasich and rubio went down in flames and it was romney who helped push them over the cliff because he is such an asshole
Posted by: Nevergiveup

ya know, if Romney was an idiot, he ran his mouth to help the dysfunctional duo, and it failed.

If he was clever, he ran his mouth to blow them our of the water, while slyly stating that he would accept the nomination if anyone had a crown handy.

Did anyone else read the short story "The Partner" by Bret Harte?

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 09, 2016 07:54 AM (326rv)

693 ONT??

Did the clocks get set backwards or forwards or whatever already?

Is this tomorrow? Did I sleep through it all??

What's the date? WHAT YEAR

Posted by: Mortimer at March 09, 2016 07:55 AM (DEtps)

694 "big shout out to that dope romney who's guys kasich and rubio went down in flames and it was romney who helped push them over the cliff because he is such an asshole"

The more he's talked the worse the GOPe does. One might, might, think they'd see a pattern and a path here.

But. No.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 07:55 AM (KYO8Z)

695 Morning, all.

Howdy , Tim.

Hawaii, huh?

Stand by for the "DT hearts BO" chorus today.

I wonder if he is tired of winning.

Posted by: Mortimer at March 09, 2016 07:57 AM (DEtps)

696 He's got the cutest dimples. And when he gets excited he sorta sounds like the lead singer of Menudo.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 09, 2016 07:28 AM

Please sing that again!
Please sing that again!

Posted by: R3BIO at March 09, 2016 08:01 AM (sOhww)

697 Concerning IKEA...

I put an IKEA kitchen into a house (and carriage house) I built for my son. The cabinets are probably the most accurately made boxes in the business.

The main house kitchen has cherry wood and stainless steel doors, but can be switched out in a day to white bead board. This is an option that most kitchens don't have.

My own house, built in '92 at well over a million has hand built custom cabinets. I would gladly change them over for IKEA cabinets today.

Posted by: jwest at March 09, 2016 08:04 AM (Zs4uk)

698 The more he's talked the worse the GOPe does. One might, might, think they'd see a pattern and a path here.

But. No.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 07:55 AM (KYO8Z)

And we are suppose to listen to these Einsteins about who is electable and who is not? LMAO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 08:04 AM (DUoqb)

699 Facebook chief executive Mark Zuckerberg and other influential tech insiders filed a brief with the Supreme Court supporting President Obamas executive action on immigration.

The brief, submitted Tuesday, was spearheaded by the lobbying group Fwd.us, which was founded by Zuckerberg and others to fight for immigration reform.

Because a geek who never gadiated College, never did a day of physical labor in his life, has armed body guards, and lives behind a big Wall of his own is the go to guy on this subject?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 08:06 AM (DUoqb)

700 Facebook chief executive Mark Zuckerberg and other influential tech insiders filed a brief with the Supreme Court supporting President Obamas executive action on immigration.

The brief, submitted Tuesday, was spearheaded by the lobbying group Fwd.us, which was founded by Zuckerberg and others to fight for immigration reform.

Yet another reason to ditch Farcebook

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 09, 2016 08:07 AM (45oDG)

701 I saw the Cokie Roberts bit on MSNBC and I wanted to reach into the screen and smack her face. Trump did pretty good by saying this is the first he's heard of such incidents and then talking over her. If only there was a "Have you no decency" moment to put paid to this kind of bs questioning. I kept fantasizing responses:
"You're trying to make me take ownership and apologize for someone else's actions. I"ll answer your question after you ask Obama and Hillary Clinton to take ownership and apologize for the shooting of that girl in San Francisco by an illegal immigrant."

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