Yesterday at CPAC: Ben Carson Officially Suspends His Campaign, Ted Cruz's Speech is Well-Received [Y-not]

Dr. Ben Carson, who had earlier signaled he was likely to be dropping out of the race for the GOP primary when he absented himself from Thursday's debate, made it official yesterday at CPAC.

Here's an excerpt from his official statement which appeared via his Facebook page:

I have committed to not endorse a specific individual, but rather "We the People." Though many today are making decisions based on fear and anger, I trust their judgment to logically examine the candidates and make the right decision by looking at:

(1) Whether they have demonstrated significant accomplishments over their lives and careers.

(2) If they have ideas that are clear and policies that are easy to find.

(3) How they treat their family and others, as that is how they will lead the country.

(4) What they have done to improve the lives of Americans; the people they are with, what they are saying and how they collaborate with others.

(5) Their ethics, because what America needs is "Trickle-down ethics."

Presidential contender Senator Ted Cruz also spoke at CPAC yesterday:

"Any time you hear someone talking about a brokered convention, it is the Washington establishment in a fevered frenzy. They're really frustrated because all of their chosen candidates, all of the golden children, the voters keep rejecting. And so they've seized on this master plan, we go to a brokered convention and the D.C. power brokers will drop someone in who is exactly to the liking of the Washington establishment. If that would happen we will have a manifest revolt on our hands all across this country."

Senator Marco Rubio will be addressing the group today.


Open thread.


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1 Willowed already

Posted by: votermom at March 05, 2016 07:37 AM (cbfNE)

2
So, Ben Carson seems to endorse Ted Cruz?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 05, 2016 07:38 AM (p4UlV)

3 Was looking at a bearingarms video, weapons that are over rated, funny stuff

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2016 07:39 AM (fizMZ)

4 Repost
It's Saturday so today on my blog I just do my weekly wrap-up.
Be sure to check out Jack July' s books, they are great! (Jack July is our own Pixy-banned OldSailorsPoet)

Link in nic

Posted by: votermom at March 05, 2016 07:39 AM (cbfNE)

5 Didn't Ace cover this yesterday?

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 07:40 AM (t2KH5)

6 And coincidentally (?), the Ben Carson biopic w/Cuba Gooding Jr. premieres on the Hallmark channel this weekend.


I would love it if Carson endorses Cruz

Posted by: Lizzy at March 05, 2016 07:40 AM (NOIQH)

7 Ben Carson has alternately appealed to me and grated on my nerves.

Too bad because he really is a very decent guy. I hope he really does stay somewhat in the public consciousness and helps destroy the leftwing LBJ plantation that has destroyed black America for 50 years now.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 05, 2016 07:41 AM (p4UlV)

8 Here's my willpower post
Btw I woke up this morning around 5:30 because of a dream I couldn't remember. And I'm lying in bed and suddenly I decide I need to write a book about prayer. The title showed up in my brain and so did the gist.
So, that's something new to me.

(I'm pretty sure the dream had nothing to do with the book idea)

Posted by: votermom at March 05, 2016 07:41 AM (cbfNE)

9
Senator Marco Rubio will be addressing the group today.




"Someone get the booster seat...."



Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 05, 2016 07:41 AM (kdS6q)

10 6 And coincidentally (?), the Ben Carson biopic w/Cuba Gooding Jr. premieres on the Hallmark channel this weekend.


I would love it if Carson endorses Cruz
Posted by: Lizzy at March 05, 2016 07:40 AM (NOIQH)


Judging from that excerpt, Ted Cruz is the one that closest fits that description.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 05, 2016 07:41 AM (p4UlV)

11 Ace had a CPAC thread about Trump dropping out, but the speeches were later in the day.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 05, 2016 07:41 AM (t5zYU)

12 Willpower = willowed, sorry

Posted by: votermom at March 05, 2016 07:42 AM (cbfNE)

13
Prediction:

Mario Rubicuomo gets booed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 05, 2016 07:42 AM (p4UlV)

14 Good Morning.

Both my young voting age daughters hate trump, but my youngest who just moved to California told me she's voting for Cruz, my other daughter who lives in Baltimore, who by the way, it was a miracle to even get her to register as a Republican in the first place, despises Trump with the heat of a thousand suns. She told me she's might vote for Rubio. But she has a gay friend who she adores, so now gay marriage is a freaking issue for her, no matter how many times I argue the 10th amendment to her she won't listen. Sigh.

Posted by: spypeach at March 05, 2016 07:43 AM (nyYhO)

15 Haven't seen any of the CPAC but it has to be better than the last cycle's. No "severe" conservative Romney.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 07:43 AM (9ym/8)

16 So now I'm starting to see stories about Marios extramarital affairs, which his wife is apparently ok with. Anything to this?

Posted by: Oldbuffalo at March 05, 2016 07:44 AM (/pOl7)

17 Ben Carson never had a chance from the beginning. Neither did Bush and neither does Rubio. Kasich has no chance either.


They need to drop it down to two candidates, Trump and Cruz. But it appears the master plan of the RNCe is to keep enough in to water down the votes so nobody gets the required number of delegates and they can do brokered convention which will allow the RNCe to put who they want in there.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 07:44 AM (t2KH5)

18 I'm still unsure what happens to delegates of contenders who drop out. Ben should go for Ted.

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2016 07:44 AM (fizMZ)

19 Caught the back half of a Carson interview last night. Said he will endorse someone eventually. Make up your own mind stuff for now.

Christie's job as carpet roller outer is really looking wonderful.

Posted by: jsg at March 05, 2016 07:44 AM (qdf/n)

20 Well, 2 and 5 would point to Cruz.

1 is more Trump, although of course Cruz has accomplishments, they are not huge (except maybe Heller)

3 - a lot of people, myself included, are very impressed with Trump' s kids and a lot of people like him personally

4 - split between the two.

So Carson endorses Truz! Or maybe Crump!

Posted by: votermom at March 05, 2016 07:48 AM (cbfNE)

21
No way was Carson ready to be potus. He pulled so many boners on major issues.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 05, 2016 07:48 AM (iQIUe)

22
Mmm. Banana bread and coffee. . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 05, 2016 07:48 AM (p4UlV)

23
CPAC: Your College Job Fair, But With More Expensive Parking

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 05, 2016 07:49 AM (kdS6q)

24 g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 05, 2016 07:50 AM (KCxzN)

25 spypeach

my 21year old son loves trump and cruz (he loved rand paul and still wishes he was in the race)

my 19 year old girl is undecided, but she hates trump

my soon to be 18 yr old girl was a dr. carson fan and is now up in the air

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 05, 2016 07:50 AM (0O7c5)

26

You want CPAC.
You'd settle for C-SPAN.
You'll get CPAP.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 05, 2016 07:50 AM (p4UlV)

27 11 Ace had a CPAC thread about Trump dropping out, but the speeches were later in the day.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 05, 2016 07:41 AM (t5zYU)

That would be yuuuge news

Posted by: votermom at March 05, 2016 07:50 AM (cbfNE)

28 Oops - Ben Carson movie came out in 2009. Still glad it was made - need more inspirational stories about high achieving people like him.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 05, 2016 07:51 AM (NOIQH)

29 Phoenixgirl at least they haven't been brain washed into Bernie supporters

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2016 07:52 AM (fizMZ)

30 Oh Great! Ben Carson is spea.....ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

Better than Nyquil.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 05, 2016 07:53 AM (ej1L0)

31 Skip, the former candidate can go to the convention and release the delegates to vote as a bloc or for whomever they want. Typically, delegates are candidate super supporters so they do what the candidate asks if them.

BTW, I feel sorry for you Falcon fans. You're owner has his panties in a twist because an AC asked Eli Apple if he like dudes. Link is around here somewhere...

Posted by: The Cookie Man at March 05, 2016 07:54 AM (UOAkZ)

32 Here is the latest attack of idiocy by the SJW groups at Harvard Law school.


The school will remove the school shield because the father of the person who donated land for the school made money off of slaves in the Caribbean. They have taken this idiocy to the upper limit.


I guess most of the companies in New England will have to remove themselves from buisness since their ancestors were involved in the slave trade.





Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 07:54 AM (t2KH5)

33 No way was Carson ready to be potus. He pulled so many boners on major issues.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 05, 2016 07:48 AM (iQIUe)

Carson reminds me of Harry Truman, not ready to be president. Of course FDR didn't include him in much of anything. Truman was a nice guy, would never be elected in today's environment. But he is considered by some, as a good president.

Posted by: colin at March 05, 2016 07:54 AM (og1C6)

34 They need to drop it down to two candidates, Trump and Cruz. But it appears the master plan of the RNCe is to keep enough in to water down the votes so nobody gets the required number of delegates and they can do brokered convention which will allow the RNCe to put who they want in there.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 07:44 AM (t2KH5)

Cruz opened 10 offices in FL this week

http://tinyurl.com/h9v7fty

Pressure is on Rubes. If he loses his own state (likely), what political future does he have at all ?

Posted by: jsg at March 05, 2016 07:55 AM (ClnSh)

35 my 21year old son loves trump and cruz (he loved rand paul and still wishes he was in the race)

my 19 year old girl is undecided, but she hates trump

my soon to be 18 yr old girl was a dr. carson fan and is now up in the air
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 05, 2016 07:50 AM (0O7c5)

Sounds like you have some great kids there phoenixgirl, I guess we should both be glad our kids don't like Bernie or Clinton.

Posted by: spypeach at March 05, 2016 07:56 AM (nyYhO)

36 So, Ben Carson seems to endorse Ted Cruz?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 05, 2016 07:38 AM


Carson said: "I have committed to not endorse a specific individual...."

Yup. That sounds like Rafael.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 05, 2016 07:56 AM (WIZNc)

37 Not a fan of CPAC.

It is the Lose Like Gentlemen Club.

Posted by: eman at March 05, 2016 07:56 AM (Ahbpx)

38 Cruz is warning the GOP not to bring in Romney or they will lose everything. I hope they listen.

Posted by: Abby Normal at March 05, 2016 07:57 AM (y0rni)

39 Cruz's speech was top notch

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 07:57 AM (uZNvH)

40 >>Here is the latest attack of idiocy by the SJW groups at Harvard Law school.


They are erasing American history with craziness.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 05, 2016 07:57 AM (NOIQH)

41 Mawnin, glouries!

We got a morning thread but I got up just too late it, eh? I need an open thread to stretch the mental muscles before running the political races. But, no, punished for being on Central Time again.

Well, here goes, even though I haven't finished my first cup of coffee...

J.J. Sefton: So, Ben Carson seems to endorse Ted Cruz?

While reading his statement, I kept thinking about the snits Ben threw over Cruz "lies" and other problems, and I couldn't figure out anyone he was talking about, except possibly Drumpf with that "significant accomplishments" bit.

Ben, be clear, wouldja, please? What? Speak up!

Posted by: mindful webworker - half here at March 05, 2016 07:58 AM (j+h+K)

42 33 Carson reminds me of Harry Truman, not ready to be
president. Of course FDR didn't include him in much of anything. Truman
was a nice guy, would never be elected in today's environment. But he is
considered by some, as a good president.


Posted by: colin at March 05, 2016 07:54 AM (og1C6)

Truman was a hardcore socialist just like FDR and he had a lot of ties to the corrupt Pendergast machine back in Kansas.
He gets no kudos form me.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 07:59 AM (t2KH5)

43 I must say though he has that somewhat odd head-nod thing going after he finishes a forceful statement, I don't know what that is about

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 08:00 AM (uZNvH)

44 >>Cruz is warning the GOP not to bring in Romney or they will lose everything. I hope they listen.


The GOPe listen - and heed the warning?
LOL!
Sadly, I think they're just doing things to spite us at this point. See Jeb's 'winning the primary without the base' strategy.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 05, 2016 08:00 AM (NOIQH)

45 Romney's manifest ignorance of what Cruz said at CPAC, as shown in his misbegotten speech from Salt Lake the other day, is what really bothers me generally about the GOP leaders.

Can it be so they really are so incredibly dumb?

Posted by: MTF at March 05, 2016 08:02 AM (TxJGV)

46 1 Willowed already

Somebody else for a change. Ace's axiom: the funnier the remark the greater the chance that a new post will appear so no one gets to read it!

Posted by: Hadoop at March 05, 2016 08:02 AM (2X7pN)

47 Had garden show from PBS on, news is saying many adults don't want children to listen to Trump's potty mouth

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2016 08:02 AM (fizMZ)

48 thanks spypeach.....i'm thankful they won't vote for the left too....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 05, 2016 08:03 AM (0O7c5)

49 "he has that somewhat odd head-nod thing going after he finishes a forceful statement, "


Kinda Mr. Rogers-ish. If he said the same things and did so in a more comfortable manner I'd think he'd ring better.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 08:04 AM (9ym/8)

50 The GOPe listen - and heed the warning?
LOL!
Sadly, I think they're just doing things to spite us at this point. See Jeb's 'winning the primary without the base' strategy.

I know, Lizzy, it's early and I haven't had my coffee yet. Still a girl can dream.

Posted by: Abby Normal at March 05, 2016 08:04 AM (y0rni)

51 47
Had garden show from PBS on, news is saying many adults don't want children to listen to Trump's potty mouth

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2016 08:02 AM (fizMZ)

But I am sure those same people don't mind their kids watching network TV at night with back to back potty mouth and sex oriented material.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 08:04 AM (t2KH5)

52
45 Romney's manifest ignorance of what Cruz said at CPAC, as shown in his misbegotten speech from Salt Lake the other day, is what really bothers me generally about the GOP leaders.

Can it be so they really are so incredibly dumb?
Posted by: MTF at March 05, 2016 08:02 AM (TxJGV)

They are not dumb.

They are not on our side.

They and the Democrats are two sides of the same coin.

Posted by: eman at March 05, 2016 08:04 AM (Ahbpx)

53 Here is the latest attack of idiocy by the SJW groups at Harvard Law school.

The colleges produce these monsters.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 05, 2016 08:05 AM (oVJmc)

54 Wow.

Just wow.

It beginning to look only violent revolution followed by civil war can save Europe.

Maybe the Pinochet solution...I don't know.

Their elites everywhere, including the Pope have just gone insane:


http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/228290/#respond


What a mess.

Well done, Obama and Hillary! Well done.

And there are actually people who want 4-8 more years of the horsefuckery.

I don't know what to say anymore.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 05, 2016 08:05 AM (2rmvw)

55 I hear ya, Abby! It's mind-boggling, their will to fail at this point.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 05, 2016 08:05 AM (NOIQH)

56 They are not dumb.



They are not on our side.



They and the Democrats are two sides of the same coin.

Posted by: eman at March 05, 2016 08:04 AM (Ahbpx)
sadly, you are correct.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 05, 2016 08:06 AM (0O7c5)

57 Who woke up Carson and told him the news about his campaign?

Posted by: eman at March 05, 2016 08:07 AM (Ahbpx)

58 For those reading tea leaves, one more thing from that statement:

"I will be working on a number of initiatives, including serving as honorary chair of My Faith Votes, a non-profit organization dedicated to mobilizing the 25 million Evangelicals who didn't vote in the last election. The twin pillars of faith and family are under attack, and I will endeavor to strengthen our nation by preserving them both."

Between that and the ethics thing (which I think is a clear reference to the Trump University lawsuit) and him scolding the GOP over "tone" this week, I think it's a quasi-endorsement of "Not Trump," but you could make the case for Cruz, Rubio, or Kasich filling the bill.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 05, 2016 08:07 AM (t5zYU)

59 I have committed to not endorse a specific individual

In other words, "Present!"

Posted by: t-bird at March 05, 2016 08:08 AM (Z58Xa)

60 votermom: Willpower = willowed, sorry

Thought so, but I kinda liked "willpower post".

Vic: ...it appears the master plan of the RNCe is to keep enough in to water down the votes...

Weirdly, the main effect of this has been to boost the guy who doesn't represent either Establishmentarians or Constitutionalists.

The leading Republican candidate does not attend the leading allegedly-conservative conclave, where he would likely have had a hostile reception anyway. Doesn't this speak poorly of that candidate and the nominal Republicans that support him?

Posted by: mindful webworker - one eye open so far at March 05, 2016 08:09 AM (j+h+K)

61 "Can it be so they really are so incredibly dumb?"


Yes.


They really have zero clue. They think things are just peachy keen. "D.C.'s booming so what's everybody else talking about....?"

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 08:09 AM (9ym/8)

62 Posted by: votermom at March 05, 2016 07:41 AM (cbfNE)

How interesting!. I love to read books on prayer, so if God gives you some more direction I will be interested to see what happens. I am re-reading "The Way of the Pilgrim" and "The Pilgrim Continues His Way" which is-if you don't know of them- are about continual prayer and "The Jesus Prayer" in the Orthodox tradition.

On another note, I thought that I had written it down but I can't seem to find it, but you can you please tell me the website you had recommended-(We something? )so I can try to get a website for HQ prayers together? I'm feeling that I really need to do this. Thx

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 05, 2016 08:09 AM (w4NZ8)

63 >>Their elites everywhere, including the Pope have just gone insane:


http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/228290/#respond


Wow......just, wow.
How can you not see an invasion by people who often gleefully announce they want to kill you as a good thing?


Think it's in Denmark where there are Soldiers of Odin (citizens) who now patrol the streets to protect people from rapefugees, and now the refugees have announced their own patrols to stop the Soldiers of Odin crew. Meanwhile, the police are harassing the Soldiers of Odin dudes, too. Gonna get bloody soon.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 05, 2016 08:12 AM (NOIQH)

64

Good morning Hordelings.

#freshhell

#WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 05, 2016 08:13 AM (LUgeY)

65 60 Weirdly, the main effect of this has been to boost
the guy who doesn't represent either Establishmentarians or
Constitutionalists.



The leading Republican candidate does not attend the leading
allegedly-conservative conclave, where he would likely have had a
hostile reception anyway. Doesn't this speak poorly of that candidate
and the nominal Republicans that support him?

Posted by: mindful webworker - one eye open so far at March 05, 2016 08:09 AM (j+h+K)



It does the same ting that happened in 2012. More people voted for the not Romney but Romney got the plurality. But he got enough to take the nod in the end. Every vote that Rubio gets is a vote that someone else will not get. Same thing goes for idiot Kasich. Neither one of them has a chance but if they were to drop out most likely more votes would go to Cruz than to Trump. But the RNCe does not want either one of those. They want Rubio since Jebbie the Hutt dropped out.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 08:13 AM (t2KH5)

66 (peeks at morning thread)

Oh, hey! Vic News! Be back in a while...

Posted by: mindful webworker - with cookie and coffee at March 05, 2016 08:13 AM (j+h+K)

67
60 votermom: Willpower = willowed, sorry

Thought so, but I kinda liked "willpower post".

Vic: ...it appears the master plan of the RNCe is to keep enough in to water down the votes...

Weirdly, the main effect of this has been to boost the guy who doesn't represent either Establishmentarians or Constitutionalists.

The leading Republican candidate does not attend the leading allegedly-conservative conclave, where he would likely have had a hostile reception anyway. Doesn't this speak poorly of that candidate and the nominal Republicans that support him?
Posted by: mindful webworker - one eye open so far at March 05, 2016 08:09 AM (j+h+K)

No.

CPAC is riddled with gope agents.

It is useless.

Posted by: eman at March 05, 2016 08:13 AM (Ahbpx)

68 So one of the threads yesterday had people talking about the acrimony here recently with the Trump - Cruz wars.

Also yesterday, someone shared this link with me.

If you are interested in understanding where the Trump supporters are coming from, in the interest of reducing acrimony and name-calling, I highly recommend reading it

http://preview.tinyurl.com/jkex6xz

Posted by: votermom at March 05, 2016 08:14 AM (cbfNE)

69 On radio I heard a news report on a local conservative station that the evangelical vote isn't going to Trump as is being reported. Prager also was disbelieving the report as well.

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2016 08:15 AM (fizMZ)

70

But I am sure those same people don't mind their kids watching network TV at night with back to back potty mouth and sex oriented material.

Rush made that same point yesterday.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 05, 2016 08:16 AM (LUgeY)

71 At a Bernie event

http://tinyurl.com/zc95pzm

What in the hell is that thing ?

Posted by: jsg at March 05, 2016 08:16 AM (ClnSh)

72

You demanded a conservative candidate
You got a conservative candidate
You will vote for a liberal

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 05, 2016 08:18 AM (rwI+c)

73 Just thought that this was a cute photo. Koala Bear sits on bicycle to beg a drink of water:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/htths8d

We used to have a very nice conservative woman on here who posted from Australia, but she hasn't been here for a while.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 05, 2016 08:18 AM (w4NZ8)

74 Let's compare.

Mark Kirk

to any

Donktard

.............................

I'm having trouble finding a difference.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 08:20 AM (WVsWD)

75 14 Good Morning.

Both my young voting age daughters hate trump, but my youngest who just moved to California told me she's voting for Cruz, my other daughter who lives in Baltimore, who by the way, it was a miracle to even get her to register as a Republican in the first place, despises Trump with the heat of a thousand suns. She told me she's might vote for Rubio. But she has a gay friend who she adores, so now gay marriage is a freaking issue for her, no matter how many times I argue the 10th amendment to her she won't listen. Sigh.

Posted by: spypeach

If Trump really wanted the peaches he would have shaken the tree.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 05, 2016 08:20 AM (QdAXQ)

76 I was on the board later last night and someone ?posted a note saying that one of our posters here was in the hospital (The handle was letters Imb? followed by numbers) burned out of their house. Whoever that is, let us keep they and their family in prayer.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 05, 2016 08:21 AM (w4NZ8)

77 68 If you are interested in understanding where the
Trump supporters are coming from, in the interest of reducing acrimony
and name-calling, I highly recommend reading it



http://preview.tinyurl.com/jkex6xz



Posted by: votermom at March 05, 2016 08:14 AM (cbfNE)

Although I am not a Trump supporter, those are my sentiments exactly. So why am I not a Trump supporter. The main reason among other things is that he has switched parties 5 times, and he supports a LOT of very liberal positions that are also counter to what this guy says.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 08:21 AM (t2KH5)

78 There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept.

Posted by: GOPe Architect at March 05, 2016 08:21 AM (ClnSh)

79 "that the evangelical vote isn't going to Trump as is being reported"


If Trump isn't getting them, with the serious turn-out numbers, then we've got bigger problems than we realize.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 08:22 AM (9ym/8)

80 Homeless man hands out resumes instead of asking for money and lands a job:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/gvpntxh

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 05, 2016 08:24 AM (w4NZ8)

81 52 They and the Democrats are two sides of the same coin.

Posted by: eman at March 05, 2016 08:04 AM (Ahbpx)
--------------------------------------------------

I suppose that's right, or at least a very reasonable theory about the facts they keep shoving in our faces.

It's just that I'm naturally conservative and hesitant to believe the GOPe leaders have gone so thoroughly over to the dark side. But they obviously have, since there isn't a single Congressional GOP leader I can think of who isn't closer to Pelosi and Reid ideologically than to Cruz. The uniparty lives.

Posted by: MTF at March 05, 2016 08:25 AM (TxJGV)

82 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 05, 2016 08:21 AM (w4NZ

That's terrible! I will pray for them.

Posted by: votermom at March 05, 2016 08:25 AM (cbfNE)

83 80 Homeless man hands out resumes instead of asking for money and lands a job
-------------------------------------------

Now there is a wonderful story. Thanks.

Posted by: MTF at March 05, 2016 08:27 AM (TxJGV)

84 CPAC is riddled with gope agents.
It is useless.
Posted by: eman at March 05, 2016 08:13 AM (Ahbpx)

Yup....a complete and utter waste of time.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 05, 2016 08:27 AM (ej1L0)

85 The main reason among other things is that he has
switched parties 5 times, and he supports a LOT of very liberal
positions that are also counter to what this guy says. Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 08:21 AM


And the Republican Party has remained a consistent Champion of Conservative Beliefs during that time, Vic?

None of this season's candidates or GOPe bigwigs are all that good at keeping pesky "principles" at the forefront. They have the talk down straight -- sometimes -- but their actions don't exactly match up.

Yes, I'll support Rafael if he wins, albeit reluctantly. And no, I do not believe Trump is anywhere close to being the candidate we should be running. But Trump hardly has an exclusive on being inconsistent.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 05, 2016 08:27 AM (WIZNc)

86 "Although I am not a Trump supporter, those are my sentiments exactly."


The fact that the GOPe felt they needed to send numb-nuts loser Romney out to scold us low-life rabble over Trump tells me a lot. They are worried by him.


Good.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 08:27 AM (9ym/8)

87 "We used to have a very nice conservative woman on here who posted from Australia, but she hasn't been here for a while.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 05, 2016 08:18 AM (w4NZ"


What with this acrimonious primary season, you may be the only nice person left.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at March 05, 2016 08:27 AM (QHgTq)

88

That's a great link, votermom.

I look forward to voting for Cruz in the primary down here in a couple of weeks, but about the best I can hope for is that there'll be a place for him in the "Fingers" Trump administration.

That article had a lot of exasperation in it, which is about where I am now.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 05, 2016 08:28 AM (LUgeY)

89 Looking at Dr. Ben's list, #1 would seem to disqualify Mario, and certainly #2 would disqualify Don Trump.

Certainly LOOKS like a Cruz endorsement. Why he can't just say it though, well, Dr. Ben would meet basically four of the five himself. It's the being clear thing he seems to struggle with.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2016 08:28 AM (Dj0WE)

90 76
I was on the board later last night and someone ?posted a note saying
that one of our posters here was in the hospital (The handle was letters
Imb? followed by numbers) burned out of their house. Whoever that is,
let us keep they and their family in prayer.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 05, 2016 08:21 AM (w4NZ
feneloniam7545...thank you so much for mentioning him. he will appreciate the prayers.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 05, 2016 08:30 AM (0O7c5)

91 aussie!

I miss her and her time-difference riffs.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 05, 2016 08:31 AM (HMt16)

92 Charlie Sheen was making 600k a year on 2 1/2 men alone. Can you imagine that? And he sold those rights for 26 mil.

I wish Chuck Lorre would hire me.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 05, 2016 08:31 AM (iQIUe)

93 "We used to have a very nice conservative woman on here who posted from Australia, but she hasn't been here for a while. "


Aussie?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 08:31 AM (9ym/8)

94 85 And the Republican Party has remained a consistent Champion of Conservative Beliefs during that time, Vic?

None
of this season's candidates or GOPe bigwigs are all that good at
keeping pesky "principles" at the forefront. They have the talk down
straight -- sometimes -- but their actions don't exactly match up.

Yes,
I'll support Rafael if he wins, albeit reluctantly. And no, I do not
believe Trump is anywhere close to being the candidate we should be running. But Trump hardly has an exclusive on being inconsistent.


Posted by: MrScribbler at March 05, 2016 08:27 AM (WIZNc)


Of course the RNCe has shit on us right and left. Including arranging the primaries where we get a moderate squish every time.
But I swore a solemn oath after voting for that crap-weasel Romeny I would never vote for the lesser of the evils again. The last person I voted FOR was Reagan. I will never vote for another crap-weasel just because he is not a Democrat.

And so far that is all the RNCe wants to give us.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 08:32 AM (t2KH5)

95 Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at March 05, 2016 08:27 AM (QHgTq

Well, thank you, :^) but you are nice as are a number of other people. On the other hand, you have a point. The primary season is bad enough for this of us who live here; Imagine posting on here as a visitor from another country; Yikes! The Aussie poster was gone long before the primaries, though.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 05, 2016 08:32 AM (w4NZ8)

96 I'll vote for Trump. I'll vote for Cruz. neither are a problem.

I do have to wonder why in the heck John "the stache" Bolton endorsed uberrino Kirk for the Senate.

This just boggle my mind.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 08:32 AM (WVsWD)

97 So John Katshit knows the only way he would win would be through a brokered convention keeps on pushing. The arrogance of that suppository

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 05, 2016 08:32 AM (voOPb)

98 What's a good way to get a neighbors dog to stop barking all the time? Besides a gun or bowl of antifreeze?

I have mentioned the barking to them but they don't seem to care.

Posted by: Jubal Anderson Early at March 05, 2016 08:33 AM (RdP/w)

99 fenelon

iam was from lgf mostly in the lounge before we all got banned....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 05, 2016 08:33 AM (0O7c5)

100 Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 05, 2016 08:30 AM (0O7c5)

I'm so glad you popped in; I couldn't find the post from last night, and I thought it was you who had posted it; I will put his name on the prayer list.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 05, 2016 08:33 AM (w4NZ8)

101 On Thursday I drove my son and his girlfriend into Chicago so she could catch a plane. They're both Bernie fans, so I decided to try educating them. Bernie had, just the previous day, made a statement to the effect that interest rates should be lower on student loans than they should be on car loans.

I tried to get the two of them to consider the absurdity of that statement and to understand the role of collateral in lending. Instead, they both went off rants about how expensive college is and how you can't get a decent job without a degree.

It took me five tries before I could get them to address the real issue. I finally came to the conclusion that they don't WANT to understand how the world works if it flies in the face of how they believe it should.

Posted by: creeper at March 05, 2016 08:34 AM (+7iN8)

102
Aussie was gone for a long time, popped in briefly and .then disappeared. Not sure why...

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 05, 2016 08:34 AM (iQIUe)

103 thanks fenelon.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 05, 2016 08:34 AM (0O7c5)

104 I do have to wonder why in the heck John "the stache" Bolton endorsed uberrino Kirk for the Senate.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 08:32 AM


Early-onset senility?


Posted by: MrScribbler at March 05, 2016 08:34 AM (WIZNc)

105 98
What's a good way to get a neighbors dog to stop barking all the time? Besides a gun or bowl of antifreeze?

I have mentioned the barking to them but they don't seem to care.


Posted by: Jubal Anderson Early at March 05, 2016 08:33 AM (RdP/w)

Call the cops on them for disturbing the peace.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 08:35 AM (t2KH5)

106 The main thing I want from the FL primary is Little Marco crushed, humiliated, and exiting the race.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 05, 2016 08:35 AM (tEDMc)

107 Foreigners really don't get the American mind set from what I see on another website. The 2nd A totally blows their minds. Lack of nation heathcare has them befuddled. They are mostly leftists all the time.

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2016 08:35 AM (fizMZ)

108 #60 http://preview.tinyurl.com/jkex6xz

Thanks votermom, that was excellent. Even on the (very) few points where I'm not in agreement, he makes his case quite well.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 05, 2016 08:36 AM (HMt16)

109 iam was from lgf mostly in the lounge before we all got banned....


The lounge? I do sort of remember the letters lgf but I don't know about a lounge.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 05, 2016 08:36 AM (w4NZ8)

110 "" Bolton endorsed uberrino Kirk for the Senate. "


Ya know, yes and no. We've had a lot pols fool us the last several years. Pubio, what's-his-fcuk in Pennsylvania, etc.


Lot of people ran as "Tea Party" and then turned around a bent over as fast as they could.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 08:36 AM (9ym/8)

111 What's a good way to get a neighbors dog to stop barking all the time?

There's nuisance calls to the city/police or whatever in your area. After so many occurrences the neighbors will generally be required to do something. A pain though.

Posted by: bananaDream at March 05, 2016 08:37 AM (Ag8Mw)

112 You think the establishment is losing it over Trump? Wait and see if Cruz starts surging because of the increase in closed primaries-- THEN you'll see panic.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 05, 2016 08:37 AM (oVJmc)

113 The leading Republican candidate does not attend the leading allegedly-conservative conclave, where he would likely have had a hostile reception anyway. Doesn't this speak poorly of that candidate and the nominal Republicans that support him?
Posted by: mindful webworker - one eye open so far at March 05, 2016 08:09 AM (j+h+K)


I'm not seeing the logical connection between these two statements. They hate him, but he has to go anyway? They are allegedly conservative, but him not going labels him as a "nominal Republican?"


I will agree all day long that Trump is not conservative, but those douchebags at CPAP need a seriously knock off their high horses. This is a plus for Trump, in my mind, and frankly, given that there are enough phonies running around these days trying to cloak themselves in the "conservative" label, the word itself is becoming meaningless.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2016 08:37 AM (Dj0WE)

114 69 On radio I heard a news report on a local conservative station that the evangelical vote isn't going to Trump as is being reported. Prager also was disbelieving the report as well.

Posted by: Skip at March

Are you saying the 35 % of evangelicals in the exits polls who say they voted for trump are lying?

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 05, 2016 08:37 AM (QdAXQ)

115 vic,

Thought about doing that. They have three dogs actually that they don't take care of very well. I'm sure they would know it was me that called. I'm the only person on the block who has ever said anything to them. All my neighbors just quietly bitch about the dogs.

Posted by: Jubal Anderson Early at March 05, 2016 08:37 AM (RdP/w)

116 114 69 On radio I heard a news report on a local conservative station that the evangelical vote isn't going to Trump as is being reported. Prager also was disbelieving the report as well.

Posted by: Skip at March

Are you saying the 35 % of evangelicals in the exits polls who say they voted for trump are lying?

Posted by: Dirks Strewn

Sorry Skip, is the radio stations saying they are lying.


Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 05, 2016 08:38 AM (QdAXQ)

117 I'll say it again; Open primaries/caucuses stink. They are so ripe for fraud.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 05, 2016 08:38 AM (w4NZ8)

118 Instead, they both went off rants about how expensive college is and how you can't get a decent job without a degree.
---

They could move to Texas and get a degree for $10K.

And how many of us started out with "decent" jobs? Most of us start at the bottom and work our way up.

This current generation is so coddled.


A politician here was bitching about college tuition recently, using his daughter and her boyfriend's debt upon graduation as his example. I know people in the administration of that college who were intimately familiar with the students' financial aid packages. The upshot was that between state scholarships and federal loans/grants, the students were getting paid to attend college. Their aid packages, or much of them, were going to the students directly, not paid to the school to offset tuition. Rather than pay their tuition w/ those scholarships and grants, they spent that money on lifestyle things and took out loans for their tuition.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 05, 2016 08:39 AM (t5zYU)

119 Early-onset senility?


Posted by: MrScribbler at March 05, 2016 08:34 AM (WIZNc)


I'm thinking Bolton was bribed with a large supply of Stache Wax. That stuff has got to be expensive.

Looking forward to not voting for Kirk in Primary. I'm hoping Marter comes close enough to cause some fear.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 08:39 AM (WVsWD)

120 "Not sure why..."


The last report from Aussie I saw was she reporting that she was just livin' life and taking it easy. All good and not worrying.


Enviable position. Good for her.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 08:39 AM (9ym/8)

121 115 I'm sure they would know it was me that called. I'm
the only person on the block who has ever said anything to them. All my
neighbors just quietly bitch about the dogs.


Posted by: Jubal Anderson Early at March 05, 2016 08:37 AM (RdP/w)

Oh yes, more than likely the cops will tell them it was you who filed the complaint unless you can get several other neighbors to call in at the same time.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 08:39 AM (t2KH5)

122 Am I playing too rough this morning?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 08:41 AM (9ym/8)

123 Trump has made major donations to CPAC over the years, and they've eagerly sought out his money and his endorsement, and yet they were planning to stage a big hissy-fit walkout on him as soon as he started speaking.

I fail to see any upside to Trump's speaking there. CPAC wanted their hissy-fit, they wanted their viral video, and they didn't get it. So now they're going to whine about that.

They sure got on their knees for his money, power and influence when it suited them though.

What an edifying political season this has already become.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 05, 2016 08:41 AM (HMt16)

124 So John Katshit knows the only way he would win would be through a brokered convention keeps on pushing. The arrogance of that suppository
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 05, 2016 08:32 AM (voOPb)


Oh, I don't believe he or Rufio honestly thinks either of them is going to be nominated, by the people or the rotten Gopes at a broken convention. They are pawns, placeholders until the job of keeping Trump from the nomination is finished. Then they'll find their more "palatable" candidate.


Someone sexy, like Ryan or that idiot Governor of S. Carolina, or they'll go senior statesman, like Jack Danforth or Bill Frist, or some other dinosaur who has been out of the Senate for a while.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2016 08:42 AM (Dj0WE)

125 All four caucus/primary today are closed. AoS conventional wisdom means Cruz takes 3 out of 4.

Last polls has Trump leading in each one.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 08:42 AM (WVsWD)

126 Homeless man hands out resumes instead of asking for money and lands a job:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/gvpntxh
Posted by: FenelonSpoke


Are you trying to corrupt us, FenSpoke? The stories on that site are all uplifting and happy-ending things. We're not used to it.

Posted by: t-bird at March 05, 2016 08:43 AM (n22zQ)

127 >>I tried to get the two of them to consider the absurdity of that
statement and to understand the role of collateral in lending. Instead,
they both went off rants about how expensive college is and how you
can't get a decent job without a degree.

Well, that sounds frustrating!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 05, 2016 08:43 AM (NOIQH)

128 106 The main thing I want from the FL primary is Little Marco crushed, humiliated, and exiting the race.

Man, that thought gives ME a tingle down my leg.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 05, 2016 08:43 AM (HMt16)

129 Trump has made major donations to CPAC over the years, and they've eagerly sought out his money and his endorsement, and yet they were planning to stage a big hissy-fit walkout on him as soon as he started speaking.


Hey, sounds like Romney.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 05, 2016 08:44 AM (oVJmc)

130

*sigh*

I remember when you could have a decent job without a degree. I had a few.

I miss the old days...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 05, 2016 08:44 AM (LUgeY)

131 I'm just at the mercy of who I'm listening to, I know I'm not getting the Trumpmania.

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2016 08:44 AM (fizMZ)

132
The lounge? I do sort of remember the letters lgf but I don't know about a lounge.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 05, 2016 08:36 AM (w4NZ
there was a chat room that was part of that blog.....before the bannings....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 05, 2016 08:45 AM (0O7c5)

133 Trump has made major donations to CPAC over the years, and they've eagerly sought out his money and his endorsement, and yet they were planning to stage a big hissy-fit walkout on him as soon as he started speaking.

In fairness, the organizers asked him to come and speak. He agreed. Then he cancelled his appearance. Cruz talked through the Trump backers protest walkout without any problems, so it could be done.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 05, 2016 08:45 AM (rwI+c)

134 Michelle Malkin gave a great speech on the nuances of fighting Common Core. Kasich rightfully is trying to improve standards in failing schools, and that's good, but not at the cost of allowing D.C. bureaucrats to get their noses in the tent, and not at the cost of allowing social engineering lefties to drive the agenda (again).

Kasich, like too many Republicans, thinks central control is good as long as "conservatives" are running things. Bullshit; it's never good, and- anyway - the left always ends up running things.

Posted by: MTF at March 05, 2016 08:45 AM (TxJGV)

135 The colleges produce these monsters.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel


*****

Read this excerpt from an e-mail from the university president to university employees here:


"...The other movement getting national traction is ensuring that everyone is comfortable on campus, and that speech or ideas do not offend. While the values embodied in the Laws of the Regents envision [the University] as a welcoming community inviting reasoned debate, we should not be the guardians of people's feelings. Sometimes debate is decidedly uncomfortable, but we can and should create an environment that allows for that. In the real world, being offended and hearing things you may not want to hear is part of life. And that real world is what we are preparing our students for."



Honestly, a university president ended the last sentence with a preposition, a practice up with which I will not put.

But seriously, I was very pleasantly surprised to read these words coming from the President of a major state university. I wonder if the tolerant crowd will soon be calling for an apology or resignation.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 05, 2016 08:45 AM (NeFrd)

136 Aussie was such a sweetie. Hope she's doing well.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 05, 2016 08:45 AM (HMt16)

137 The political correctness culture needs its back broken. That will not happen with someone who wants to talk nice.

You need rude. You need crude. You need obnoxious.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 08:46 AM (WVsWD)

138 When students take out a student loan, the money comes straight to them? I thought the money was sent to the school. If I remember my loans, and it's been a long time, I never saw any money. It went to the school towards my tuition.

Posted by: Jubal Anderson Early at March 05, 2016 08:47 AM (RdP/w)

139 124 Someone sexy, like Ryan or that idiot Governor of S.
Carolina, or they'll go senior statesman, like Jack Danforth or Bill
Frist, or some other dinosaur who has been out of the Senate for a
while.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2016 08:42 AM (Dj0WE)

Nikki Haley in the overall 8 years in office has been pretty good. She sold us out on the Confederate flag recently but 90% of the country will not give a shit about that.

She sold us out on the BS children's three wheeler law early in but most people want care about that.

But she refused Obamacare and common core in this State and she has consistently called for restraining the budget and keeping taxes low.


And she has fought off the unions trying to come in tooth and nail,

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 08:47 AM (t2KH5)

140 In fairness, the organizers asked him to come and speak. He agreed.

But you're making my point. CPAC are the HOSTS. They invited a GUEST to speak.

You do not invite a guest to speak with the intention of belittling and humiliating him. Especially a guest who just gave you 150K.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 05, 2016 08:47 AM (HMt16)

141 128 106 The main thing I want from the FL primary is Little Marco crushed, humiliated, and exiting the race.

Man, that thought gives ME a tingle down my leg.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 05, 2016 08:43 AM (HMt16)
-----------------------------------------------------------

I'm betting Marco leaves the race within days. Once he loses Florida he has no bargaining power for a role in the next administration, and he needs a job.

Posted by: MTF at March 05, 2016 08:48 AM (TxJGV)

142

Aussie was such a sweetie. Hope she's doing well.

Me too. IIRC, she mentioned that she wanted to post more often here.

Her reports from the future were always nice.

Also, has anyone heard from Sherry McEvil since yesterday's comment crash?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 05, 2016 08:48 AM (LUgeY)

143 "I wonder if the tolerant crowd will soon be calling for an apology or resignation."

They will want a apologetic resignation with a side order of blazing hate sauce.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 08:48 AM (WVsWD)

144 You need rude. You need crude. You need obnoxious.

Let's not forget irritating! Hoping for close Trump victories so we have the possibility of Trump/Cruz in the fall.

Posted by: t-bird at March 05, 2016 08:48 AM (n22zQ)

145 But you're making my point. CPAC are the HOSTS. They invited a GUEST to speak.


It wasn't CPAC, the orgainization, that was going to walk out. It was attendees.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 05, 2016 08:49 AM (rwI+c)

146 Think it's in Denmark where there are Soldiers of Odin (citizens) who now patrol the streets to protect people from rapefugees, and now the refugees have announced their own patrols to stop the Soldiers of Odin crew. Meanwhile, the police are harassing the Soldiers of Odin dudes, too. Gonna get bloody soon.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 05, 2016 08:12 AM (NOIQH)



The government has completely turned against its own people. For what purpose I don't know but it will be complete destruction of these countries.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 05, 2016 08:50 AM (45oDG)

147 RIP Pat Conroy


An immensely talented southern writer. Most probably know of him for The Great Santini, but he also wrote The Lords of Discipline and other amazing books.

One of the few writers so talented he could put you so deeply into a scene it was like you were living it. In Lords he wrote about a basketball game between two military academies that is one of the finest pieces of sports writing I've ever read.

He will be missed.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 05, 2016 08:50 AM (4ErVI)

148 Back from reading the whole morning thread. Not too bad, less than 150 comments before enstompening. Now I have to get caught up here. It never ends!

me: Doesn't this speak poorly of that candidate and the nominal Republicans that support him?

eman: No. CPAC is riddled with gope agents. It is useless.

So I've heard, which is why I said "allegedly conservative." However, Constitutional conservatives seem to be well-received, yet der Darnold probably would not have been, so I ask, nonetheless, if it speaks poorly of him and his supporters?

BIRM.

Posted by: mindful webworker - mostlly awake at last at March 05, 2016 08:50 AM (j+h+K)

149 The political correctness culture needs its back broken. That will not happen with someone who wants to talk nice.

You need rude. You need crude. You need obnoxious.



Limbaugh actually brought this back to the fore on Friday-- Trump, say what you want otherwise, has been a boot in the face of political correctness.

It's used to stifle discourse, kill ideas, persecute the non-compliant, and destroy opposition. PC needs to be destroyed, but who else out there can even make a dent in it?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 05, 2016 08:50 AM (oVJmc)

150 Let's not forget irritating! Hoping for close Trump victories so we have the possibility of Trump/Cruz in the fall.

Posted by: t-bird at March 05, 2016 08:48 AM (n22zQ)

Been saying it is going to be that way all along. I see no other possibility.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 08:51 AM (WVsWD)

151 Once he loses Florida he has no bargaining power for a role in the next administration, and he needs a job.

He should print up resumes. The homeless guy had 35,000 hours of line cooking experience. What can Mario do?

Posted by: t-bird at March 05, 2016 08:51 AM (w35Hj)

152 146
The government has completely turned against its
own people. For what purpose I don't know but it will be complete
destruction of these countries.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 05, 2016 08:50 AM (45oDG)

Well the same thing happened here in 2009.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 08:52 AM (t2KH5)

153 All my neighbors just quietly bitch about the dogs. Posted by: Jubal Anderson Early at March 05, 2016 08:37 AM

When I first moved to MA, we had a large, loud dog across the street. It barked all night, every night, and the owner wouldn't do a thing.

So we complained to the town, were directed to the Dog Officer (yes, Dog Officer). She was no help The whole mess ended up in front of the Board of Selectmen, who held a Dog Hearing at one of their regular meetings.

The Selectmen voted to ask the owner to find the dog a new home. Which, eventually, she did.

Woof.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 05, 2016 08:52 AM (WIZNc)

154 Well, that sounds frustrating!

A friend of mine posted she wanted to vote for someone who comes from a life long practice of compassion, and she really admires Bernie Sanders. I should have told her that sometimes the compassionate thing to do is to tell someone no.

Posted by: no good deed at March 05, 2016 08:52 AM (GgxVX)

155 Trump has made major donations to CPAC over the years, and they've eagerly sought out his money and his endorsement, and yet they were planning to stage a big hissy-fit walkout on him as soon as he started speaking.
Hey, sounds like Romney.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 05, 2016 08:44 AM (oVJmc)

It's called "Insurance". If you pay your good. If you don't make a donation, your place may catch fire, or your car might blow up, or your tax returns may be leaked to the MSM.
CPAC and their ilk are just a bunch of good fellas looking out for you.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 05, 2016 08:52 AM (ej1L0)

156 "117
I'll say it again; Open primaries/caucuses stink. They are so ripe for fraud.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 05, 2016 08:38 AM (w4NZ"


The rational that I have heard in favor of open primaries was that in places that were transitioning from one party Democrat to one party Republican, they helped the process move more quickly. Since that process was largely completed in the 1990s to early 2000s, there would seem to be little advantage to maintaining it.

The wise donors who run the Republican party missed an opportunity to take advantage of the open primaries by encouraging black voters to cast a primary ballot for the only black man in either party but I suppose that sort of thinking is to far outside the box for them or maybe they view their political contributions as strictly quid pro quo investments and doing missionary work for the Republican Party is just something that they are not going to do with their money.

Oh, well. I have cast my primary vote. I will cast my vote in November without much hope that it will do any good and meanwhile keep stockpiling canned goods and ammunition.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at March 05, 2016 08:53 AM (QHgTq)

157 Looking forward to not voting for Kirk in Primary. I'm hoping Marter comes close enough to cause some fear.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 08:39 AM (WVsWD)
_________
Me too. We have had one Senator in Illinois for six years. Yes, I am very sorry for Kirk because of his stroke, but he should have resigned and made sure we were represented. I don't know how he and Durbin paired off for various votes, but I really resent his hanging on.
ps -- Do you know of any decent sites for Illinois races? Spent waaaay too much time to even get a sample ballot because the giving information through your browser (even though the official .gov sites claim they do not sell information) seems too intrusive to me.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 05, 2016 08:55 AM (MIKMs)

158 votermom: ...If you are interested in understanding where the Trump supporters are coming from...
http://preview.tinyurl.com/jkex6xz


From that link, John Kluge: [Conservative:] The word seems to have become a brand that some people attach to a set of partisan policy preferences, rather than the set of underlying principles...

This is about what I expected.

Reminds me of what I always say about atheists. When they describe the God they don't believe in, I say, sure, I wouldn't believe in that kind of God, either. That "conservative" has been misappropriated hasn't changed what conservative really means. But, because of that, I usually use "Constitutionalist" now, just to be clear.

There were some other broad generalizations I couldn't agree with. "What everybody knows" usually isn't.

Posted by: mindful webworker - the behinder I get at March 05, 2016 08:58 AM (j+h+K)

159 So what will it be?
Donald J. Trump or Ted Cruz?
You have to pick one.

Posted by: Haiku Guy at March 05, 2016 08:58 AM (v/oAf)

160 "You need rude. You need crude. You need obnoxious.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 08:46 AM (WVsWD)"


I am available. It is probably too late for me to get on the ballot in enough states to win but remember me at the Brokered Convention.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at March 05, 2016 08:59 AM (QHgTq)

161 "I am available.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole"


You make an intriguing case.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 09:01 AM (9ym/8)

162 As a Cruz supporter I will say this, I don't believe Carson will endorse him. I never got the impression he accepted Cruz's apology over his team repeating the CNN story.

Posted by: Darth Randall at March 05, 2016 09:01 AM (6n332)

163 You have to pick one.

I have already voted for Ted. Mrs928, God love her, voted for Carson.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 05, 2016 09:02 AM (rwI+c)

164 FenelonSpoke: We used to have a very nice conservative woman on here who posted from Australia, but she hasn't been here for a while.

Aussie? Said she was going to quit lurking and start posting daily again. Did for a week or two. Then she was posting repeatedly one night, up 'til about 3am her time, complaining about a party at her house that wouldn't end. Never saw her after that.

Posted by: mindful webworker - it's a mystery at March 05, 2016 09:03 AM (j+h+K)

165 Cruz had a great speech and follow up with Hannity. Watched it last night. Hard not to think he will be President one day.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 05, 2016 09:04 AM (pUDQf)

166 "Posted by: mustbequantum at March 05, 2016 08:55 AM (MIKMs)

I feel absolutely zero sympathy for Kirk because he has had a stroke. Since 2008 I have had 3 major strokes. The last one came close to killing me.

That one was in 2012. Still recovering from the effects of it. The last time I saw Kirk it was clear to me that his was even worse than mine.

He needs to go. I am hoping and praying that Marter takes his ass to the cleaners.

Marter has the Kiss of Death though.

A TEA Party endorsement.

Wikipedia has the complete rundown of the Il primary. Do a search on "2016 Illinois Republican Primary Ballot"

It'll come up.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 09:05 AM (WVsWD)

167 "Since 2008 I have had 3 major strokes. The last one came close to killing me."



Wow, Tim, sorry to hear. It's great that you're doing what you are. You're a tough person.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 09:07 AM (9ym/8)

168 >>A friend of mine posted she wanted to vote for someone who comes from a
life long practice of compassion, and she really admires Bernie Sanders.
I should have told her that sometimes the compassionate thing to do is
to tell someone no.


Heh.
What has Bernie done is his personal life that is compassionate?
I am so very sick of people, politicians and activists, whose "compassion" consists of extracting money from others to pay for their passion projects.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 05, 2016 09:07 AM (NOIQH)

169 "161
"I am available.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole"





You make an intriguing case.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 09:01 AM (9ym/"


Here is my platform:

https://youtu.be/5meGDQsM0UU

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at March 05, 2016 09:07 AM (QHgTq)

170 I worry Cruz is a weak candidate who just isn't cutting it on his own. Trump, by contrast is an amazing politician drawing support from across the political spectrum.

What if Cruz gets the nomination- can he win the general only if Hillary gets indicted? What's his path in the general election?

Posted by: MTF at March 05, 2016 09:09 AM (TxJGV)

171 What if Cruz gets the nomination- can he win the general only if Hillary gets indicted? What's his path in the general election?

I think that the matchup polling has him winning over Hillary handily. Trump doesn't.

Posted by: Grey Fox at March 05, 2016 09:11 AM (bZ7mE)

172 I am so very sick of people, politicians and activists, whose "compassion" consists of extracting money from others to pay for their passion projects.

Am confused. It's like you hate goodness. Here's a ribbon so that you can fight cancer...

Posted by: Snowflake at March 05, 2016 09:12 AM (oFSUK)

173 >>>>I usually use "Constitutionalist" now, just to be clear.
<<<<

Heh, if you want a constitutional restoration then Trump is your man. I guarantee you if he is elected congress will rediscover article 1 and the courts will realize there are all kinds of limits to executive authority.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 05, 2016 09:12 AM (tEDMc)

174 By the way, Mark Levin gave a great speech at CPAC yesterday.

Posted by: MTF at March 05, 2016 09:12 AM (TxJGV)

175 I worry Cruz is a weak candidate who just isn't cutting it on his own. Trump, by contrast is an amazing politician drawing support from across the political spectrum.

What if Cruz gets the nomination- can he win the general only if Hillary gets indicted? What's his path in the general election?

Posted by: MTF at March 05, 2016 09:09 AM (TxJGV)




I don't think that Cruz is bad. It's more the voters not the politician. The LIVs and other assorted idiots wouldn't vote for George Washington.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 05, 2016 09:12 AM (45oDG)

176
What has Bernie done is his personal life that is compassionate?
I am so very sick of people, politicians and activists, whose "compassion" consists of extracting money from others to pay for their passion projects.


If leftists were compassionate, wouldn't they care about what they've done to the black family? Wouldn't they give a shit about the people they put out of work or the people they hound down? The people they tax, the money they steal, the cities they've ruined?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 05, 2016 09:13 AM (oVJmc)

177 Wow, Tim, sorry to hear. It's great that you're doing what you are. You're a tough person.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 09:07 AM (9ym/

Me tough? I don't feel that way. But gotta hang on for the People in my life.



Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 09:13 AM (WVsWD)

178 I am too, Lizzy. If you want to be compassionate, do it. Don't pretend like picking someone else's pocket and giving away the cash is beneficent. The crazy thing is, her dad invented something (I can't remember what exactly. Something to do with firefighting) that earned him a great deal of cash. I grew up visiting her house and walking by a picture of her dad with Ronald Reagan congratulating him for his ingenuity on the wall. He practiced compassion personally and didn't insist the government do it for him.

Posted by: no good deed at March 05, 2016 09:14 AM (GgxVX)

179 >>Am confused. It's like you hate goodness. Here's a ribbon so that you can fight cancer...


I meant extract money *by force* - Bernie wants to tax everything so that he can make college "free." That's not compassion.


Posted by: Lizzy at March 05, 2016 09:15 AM (NOIQH)

180 Our worst, (rubes) will beat their best (abuela shillary)

Bank on it.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 09:15 AM (WVsWD)

181 ***"Heh, if you want a constitutional restoration then Trump is your man. I
guarantee you if he is elected congress will rediscover article 1 and
the courts will realize there are all kinds of limits to executive
authority."***


Not a half bad point. heh

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 05, 2016 09:16 AM (Wckf4)

182 Me: The leading Republican candidate does not attend the leading allegedly-conservative conclave, where he would likely have had a hostile reception anyway. Doesn't this speak poorly of that candidate and the nominal Republicans that support him?

BurtTC: I'm not seeing the logical connection between these two statements. They hate him, but he has to go anyway? ... I will agree all day long that Trump is not conservative...

That's the logical connection I meant. Not saying at all that he should've gone to CPAC or that CPAC is all that great - don't really know that much about it, really, 'cept what I read on here. Just saying, as you do, he's not a conservative candidate, and his supporters mostly aren't either, yet somehow he keeps getting lauded as a better choice for conservatives. Better than alleged base-betraying so-called conservative RINOs, sure, no argument - but that's just definitional distortion.

Posted by: mindful webworker - gotta quit commenting to get caught up reading! at March 05, 2016 09:16 AM (j+h+K)

183 What has Bernie done is his personal life that is compassionate?
I am so very sick of people, politicians and activists, whose "compassion" consists of extracting money from others to pay for their passion projects.

If leftists were compassionate, wouldn't they care about what they've done to the black family? Wouldn't they give a shit about the people they put out of work or the people they hound down? The people they tax, the money they steal, the cities they've ruined?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 05, 2016 09:13 AM (oVJmc)




I couldn't agree more. Their compassion equals self-aggrandizement, getting rich and screwing over the country.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 05, 2016 09:16 AM (45oDG)

184

I worry Cruz is a weak candidate who just isn't cutting it on his own. Trump, by contrast is an amazing politician drawing support from across the political spectrum.

What if Cruz gets the nomination- can he win the general only if Hillary gets indicted? What's his path in the general election?


I'd take that, but I rather doubt the Hildabeast will face any problems.

Personally, I see "Fingers" Trump having a much more profound impact on society than Cruz as preezy. I hope (there's that word again) that the PC crowd would get put back into its rightful place at the fringes.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 05, 2016 09:17 AM (LUgeY)

185 Under ideal circumstances Cruz would be my first pick. Those circumstances aren't present.

Policy imo, doesn't matter this time around. We have people having their lives destroyed by the political correctness culture.

How will President Cruz handle this issue?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 09:19 AM (WVsWD)

186 Leftism is just the tool for power, nothing more.

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2016 09:21 AM (fizMZ)

187 168
>>A friend of mine posted she wanted to vote for someone who comes from a

life long practice of compassion, and she really admires Bernie Sanders.

I should have told her that sometimes the compassionate thing to do is

to tell someone no.


Heh.
What has Bernie done is his personal life that is compassionate?
I
am so very sick of people, politicians and activists, whose
"compassion" consists of extracting money from others to pay for their
passion projects.


Posted by: Lizzy at March 05, 2016 09:07 AM (NOIQH)


This reminds me of a black woman who used to post over at Townhall when I hung out there. We were having a round robin on compassion and bleeding hearts. Her comment was "sometimes all a bleeding heart does it get blood on the floor". I laughed.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 09:21 AM (t2KH5)

188 How will President Cruz handle this issue?

Honestly, how will President Trump? He goes against the PC on illegal foreigners because there's profit in it for him. What does he care about college or workplace PC?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 05, 2016 09:21 AM (rwI+c)

189 HA - this was from the comments at the Ricochet article that votermom posted. It appears to summarize Trump's trade policy quite succinctly, particularly with regard to the idea of imposing 45% tariffs on foreign goods:




Don't be silly. It's simple. When you make products more expensive
people buy more of them. Also, by spending more of their money on higher
priced goods, they then have even more money to give to all the new
businesses that will be started using using higher priced labor and more
expensive inputs to build totally uncompetitive products. What don't
you get?

There is no need to worry. It all works because deals, win, loser,
huge, terrific, dummy, classy, I never said that, win, you have no idea,
best people, deals, make America great.

Hope that helped.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 09:22 AM (uZNvH)

190 169 Here is my platform:

https://youtu.be/5meGDQsM0UU
----------------------------------------------------

Great song, and now you've prompted me to put on one of my all-time favorite albums "Sweetheart of the Rodeo".

I'll bet Roger McGuinn would be a good moron.

Posted by: MTF at March 05, 2016 09:22 AM (TxJGV)

191 >>Don't pretend like picking someone else's pocket and giving away the cash is beneficent.


One of the best, if unintentional, examples of this was the last season of "Parks and Rec." The main character, an clueless do-gooder bureaucrat, spends the season attempting to convince a widow to give a yuuuuge pierce of land to the city so that she can make it into a park. The widow wants to sell it to a tech co. The "do-gooder" gives these long monologues about how important this would be for *her* (the bureaucrat's) legacy, how her *giving* this land to the city would be *her* crowning achievement. Never occurs to her that it's the widow's land to give, she just sees her own do-gooder dreams being fulfilled - all about her feelz and resume.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 05, 2016 09:23 AM (NOIQH)

192 170 What if Cruz gets the nomination- can he win the
general only if Hillary gets indicted? What's his path in the general
election?

Posted by: MTF at March 05, 2016 09:09 AM (TxJGV)

As I have posted many times, I have seen a national poll where ANY of the top 3 Republican candidates would beat Scankles, ANY one of them.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 09:23 AM (t2KH5)

193 Policy imo, doesn't matter this time around. We have people having their lives destroyed by the political correctness culture.



How will President Cruz handle this issue?


What do you expect any president do against "the PC culture"? I don't see any president simply having much power in this realm.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 09:23 AM (uZNvH)

194
What can Mario do?

Take up rum running from Cuba to the Florida Keys?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: 'Who Decides?' at March 05, 2016 09:23 AM (BK3ZS)

195 I think Cruz is far away the one conservative running that would not stab us in the back if he was President, but I just don't see him winning a nationwide election in today's America.

I will say though he has gotten much better on his presentation skills. Still, he has that voice and wonky details that just don't seem to connect with a wide audience.

Posted by: Franklin at March 05, 2016 09:24 AM (BCelo)

196 >>Her comment was "sometimes all a bleeding heart does it get blood on the floor". I laughed.


Ooh, that's a good one

Posted by: Lizzy at March 05, 2016 09:25 AM (NOIQH)

197 I can try to get a website for HQ prayers together? I'm feeling that I really need to do this. Thx
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 05, 2016 08:09 AM (w4NZ

This would be a great idea!

Posted by: sinalco at March 05, 2016 09:26 AM (yODqO)

198 "I don't see any president simply having much power in this realm."


And that is the crux.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 09:26 AM (9ym/8)

199 "Honestly, how will President Trump?"

By being the rude, crude, crass, obnoxious individual that a lot of people claim he is. He is setting precedent by calling out criminals by race, tossing out blm protesters from his rallies, he pretty much just ignored the phony duke dust up. By many peoples reckoning he insulted M. Kelly on live tv, give me time an I should be able to find other stuff too.

He is using the Bully Pulpit whether purposefully or not.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 09:27 AM (WVsWD)

200 192

It depends on the poll but one trend is fairly clear, Trump has the highest negatives of basically any candidate in the history of polling.

The idea that you get a majority of voters when 65% or so hate you just seems like a dangerous gamble.

Before trump got on the issue of immigration, frankly I thought he was an epic douchebag and still do, but would vote for him. Don't know though how many are like me.

Posted by: Franklin at March 05, 2016 09:27 AM (BCelo)

201 I haven't watched CPAC in years. Pretty speeches just don't do it for me.

The last time I remember watching, Mitch McConnell appeared on stage with an old Kentucky rifle, and triumphantly raised it over his head in a gesture reminiscent of Rocky on the art museum steps. The crowd went wild.

It was transparently obvious pandering. The liberal equivalent would be Hillary waving a bloody fetus over her head.

Posted by: rickl at March 05, 2016 09:27 AM (sdi6R)

202 "I can try to get a website for HQ prayers together? I'm feeling that I really need to do this. Thx "


I would support.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 09:28 AM (9ym/8)

203 >>>>What can Mario do?<<<<

The Ronco Pocket Cuban can can function as an orbital sander, and wax your car! It also, slices, dices, and makes julienne fries!

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 05, 2016 09:28 AM (tEDMc)

204 176 If leftists were compassionate, wouldn't they care
about what they've done to the black family? Wouldn't they give a shit
about the people they put out of work or the people they hound down?
The people they tax, the money they steal, the cities they've ruined?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 05, 2016 09:13 AM (oVJmc)

There are very few black families in VT. He has probably never even met one other than the race baiting blacks like Jesse Jackson et al.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 09:28 AM (t2KH5)

205 Probably I will be excoriated for this, but we have always had a PC culture. Some things you just do not discuss publicly. I do not want to know who you sleep with; I do not want to know what charities you support; I do not want to know who was arrested last night (conviction is another story). At a certain point, the gossipy mob takes over rational debate. Think of endless Hollywood movies about the bluenosed old ladies gossiping about some newcomer. We have just allowed nuclear-powered gossip to channel public debate over things that should be private.

I hate 'penumbras' allegedly found in the Constitution. So where is the privacy now?

Thanks for the redefinition of conservative to 'Constitutionalist.'

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 05, 2016 09:28 AM (MIKMs)

206 >> The liberal equivalent would be Hillary waving a bloody fetus over her head.


The 2012 DNC abortion-palooza.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 05, 2016 09:29 AM (NOIQH)

207 199

And not surprisingly Obamas approval ratings have shot up to something like a 4 year high.

Trump fatigue is starting to set in

Posted by: Franklin at March 05, 2016 09:29 AM (BCelo)

208 PG, wtf happened to iam? Are his dog & cat ok?

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 05, 2016 09:30 AM (KukcO)

209 I can try to get a website for HQ prayers together? I'm feeling that I really need to do this. Thx
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 05, 2016 08:09 AM


Are you ok with a simple blogger blog for it?
How do you envision it - you make posts asking for prayers for people?
Or do you envision comments?

If comments are a big part, I will warn you that blogger messed up comments (I can explain) so you might have to allow anonymous comments.

Posted by: votermom at March 05, 2016 09:31 AM (cbfNE)

210 >>>>What do you expect any president do against "the PC culture"?<<<<

Threaten to wave his dick at Megyn and Mario on national television.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 05, 2016 09:31 AM (tEDMc)

211 Franklin, since you believe that Cruz is the best candidate in your own definition, and you admit that your vote does not carry much weight over who will carry the primary, I take it that you will be voting Cruz anyway.

Since it won't matter since, unlike you, everyone else is deciding on popularity, not qualifications.

Good to hear. We need more like you in the world.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 05, 2016 09:33 AM (q2o38)

212 He is using the Bully Pulpit whether purposefully or not.

Where it affects him. I don't see him having any effect on the PC culture at large. Can you picture him pushing freedom of conscience legislation on ghey marriage for instance? I can't.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 05, 2016 09:34 AM (rwI+c)

213 the guy that moves pianos for a living: Heh, if you want a constitutional restoration then Trump is your man. I guarantee you if he is elected congress will rediscover article 1 and the courts will realize there are all kinds of limits to executive authority.

Funny.

Just as the devil can quote scripture for his own nefarious ends, the RINOs, like the Democrats, will turn to the Constitution when it suits them, but otherwise ignore it.

There's only one actual candidate who knows and works from the Constitution, as far as I can tell.

It's terribly unfortunate - disastrous - that, apparently, the majority of the electorate doesn't care a bit about that and would rather vote for Bernie Clinton than for America.

Posted by: mindful webworker - and to the Republic for which it stands at March 05, 2016 09:34 AM (j+h+K)

214 no way rubio is ready to be POTUS...he's a boner



TRUMP 2016

Posted by: Myshiba at March 05, 2016 09:36 AM (n20xt)

215 What do you expect any president do against "the PC culture"?

The PC Culture got a major leg-up with the Title IX 'Dear Colleague' letters of the Obama administration.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/zfnm7rt

A lot can be done by stopping the activist bureaucracy.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 05, 2016 09:37 AM (oVJmc)

216 Didn't Ace cover this yesterday?

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 07:40 AM (t2KH5)

Hot Air is just a click away.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 05, 2016 09:38 AM (Zu3d9)

217 211

I think though the idea that you vote for who is the best sounds really noble but is somewhat naive.

The best President is the won that actually wins the Presidency. I really liked Bobby Jindal and know he would have made the best President but he was incredibly unelectable.

Too many conservatives act like we don't have to go through voters first or simply use the primary as some sort of revenge plot without thinking what comes after we piss of the establishment. That seems to be the goal unto itself for many but not me.

Posted by: Franklin at March 05, 2016 09:39 AM (BCelo)

218 >>>Just as the devil can quote scripture for his own nefarious ends, the
RINOs, like the Democrats, will turn to the Constitution when it suits
them, but otherwise ignore it.
<<<<

"The trick is to get the wrong people to do the right thing...."

Or something to that effect.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 05, 2016 09:39 AM (tEDMc)

219 216
Hot Air is just a click away.....




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 05, 2016 09:38 AM (Zu3d9)


So why aren't you there?


I only asked that because we usually don't repeat Ace's (or other COB's) posts.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 09:40 AM (t2KH5)

220 "I am available.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole"


Don't we already have one in this race?

Posted by: rickl at March 05, 2016 09:40 AM (sdi6R)

221 One?

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 05, 2016 09:41 AM (tEDMc)

222 Too many conservatives act like we don't have to go through voters first or simply use the primary as some sort of revenge plot without thinking what comes after we piss of the establishment.


It's all a balance. You want the rightmost viable candidate, but you don't know who that is until the votes are cast.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 05, 2016 09:41 AM (rwI+c)

223 That's a good article at Ricochet, said forcefully but reasonably.

Hard to argue his point about the GOP over the last generation, they have used the conservative base like a weekend fling. So far they've been right in calculating we won't leave, and good enough at controlling the direction of their party. It's no wonder conservatives have been treated as they have. Conservatives have demanded no better.

Along comes Trump, and suddenly "conservative" is a litmus test for republican party inclusion? Please!
In the last decade in particular, the same party that cannot or will not fight the democrat party goes red in tooth and claw to defeat candidates they deem too conservative.
They've preferred Cantor to Brat, and that fossil in Mississippi to a tea party favorite, yet decry Trump's lack of conservative credentials.

In these ways and many more, the GOPe has lost credibility with the base, and with many here who months ago were voting SMOD over any "establishment" candidate, as a lesson for the party to mull.

Now that SMOD has an actual name, it's not so funny, I guess.
But we could at least be understanding to our fellow posters who meant it when they said LIB.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 05, 2016 09:42 AM (kKHcp)

224 Often you don't know the 'rightmost' candidate until he's two years into his first term. See also: 'Bush'

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 05, 2016 09:43 AM (KtcUs)

225 217 Posted by: Franklin at March 05, 2016 09:39 AM (BCelo)




That old electability myth has been proven wrong over and over again. All those "electable" moderates that we have been forced to hold our noses and vote for have gone down in miserable flames.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 09:43 AM (t2KH5)

226 223
Hard to argue his point about the GOP over the last generation, they have used the conservative base like a weekend fling. So far they've been right in calculating we won't leave, and good enough at controlling the direction of their party. It's no wonder conservatives have been treated as they have. Conservatives have demanded no better.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 05, 2016 09:42 AM (kKHcp)


Yep. Now try substituting "Democrat" and "black" in that paragraph.

Posted by: rickl at March 05, 2016 09:44 AM (sdi6R)

227 The liberal equivalent would be Hillary waving a bloody fetus over her head.
Posted by: rickl at March 05, 2016 09:27 AM (sdi6R)

Really? Cuz she would mean it if she said she'd fight to the death to protect a womans right to "choose."

Mitch and the 2A? Not so much.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 05, 2016 09:45 AM (kKHcp)

228 222

I can usually tell, winning in politics has far more to do with being a good salesman than it does ideological issues.

Sort of like it doesn't matter how much a car salesman knows about the product, if he comes off like an asshole he's going to starve

Posted by: Franklin at March 05, 2016 09:45 AM (BCelo)

229
Ooh, that's a good one
Posted by: Lizzy at March 05, 2016 09:25

And you can add, "and then I'm left to clean up the mess."

Posted by: traye at March 05, 2016 09:47 AM (E+bs+)

230 227 Really? Cuz she would mean it if she said she'd fight to the death to protect a womans right to "choose."



Mitch and the 2A? Not so much.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 05, 2016 09:45 AM (kKHcp)

Yes, she will fight to keep the abortion mills running even if if means they can do it in the store rooms of a public launder mat using a Vernon Gosnell butcher. RE: The current two Supreme Court cases on trying to regulate these butcher shop mills.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 09:47 AM (t2KH5)

231 It was transparently obvious pandering. The liberal equivalent would be Hillary waving a bloody fetus over her head.

Posted by: rickl


He had to wave a gun. He doesn't own a bakery or a circus.

Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 09:48 AM (LAe3v)

232 I can usually tell

I can't. The electorate is too fickle and the world is too event driven. I can only vote for who I think best represents me and let it go at that.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 05, 2016 09:48 AM (rwI+c)

233 The government has completely turned against its own people. For what purpose I don't know but it will be complete destruction of these countries.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 05, 2016 08:50 AM (45oDG)


Yet people say that you'll never get American citizens to act as re-education camp guards!

Oh wait...

So that's why we need lots of immigrants to do the jobs most Americans won't do!

Posted by: Zombie Robert H at March 05, 2016 09:48 AM (wYnyS)

234 "The trick is to get the wrong people to do the right thing...."

Or something to that effect.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 05, 2016 09:39 AM (tEDMc)


Milton Freidman, I think. But I am not sure how applicable that is in a real world. First you have to have the wrong sort that has handles and understanding of what might happen if he continues to do the wrong thing.

You put some "gentle giant" in a powerful position and there is not enough forethought there to prevent a tragedy on a continental scale. There are others who are more polished who think there is no consequence to bad action or, like 18th century surgeons, the pus, fever and corruption is merely part of the healing process.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 05, 2016 09:49 AM (q2o38)

235 Yep. Now try substituting "Democrat" and "black" in that paragraph.
Posted by: rickl at March 05, 2016 09:44 AM (sdi6R)

Yep, works equally well, but that's another issue entirely.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 05, 2016 09:49 AM (kKHcp)

236 #77

Although I am not a Trump supporter, those are my sentiments exactly. So
why am I not a Trump supporter. The main reason among other things is
that he has switched parties 5 times, and he supports a LOT of very
liberal positions that are also counter to what this guy says.
============

"Anyone can rat, but it takes a certain ingenuity to re-rat"

Winston Churchill, who quit the Conservative Party, joined the Liberal Party, then quit the Liberal Party, and re-joined the Conservative Party.

Posted by: mrp at March 05, 2016 09:49 AM (JBggj)

237 In regards to Trump - it's not that I don't like what he's saying, it's just that he reminds me of Marco Rubio circa 2009. I don't trust the guy as far as I can throw him.

Posted by: Reality Man at March 05, 2016 09:50 AM (Ch0fq)

238 Threaten to wave his d*** at Megyn and Mario on national television.

Yeah, I don't think he's got the aspect ratio for waving. Pointing is more like it.

Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 09:51 AM (LAe3v)

239 236
Winston Churchill, who quit the Conservative
Party, joined the Liberal Party, then quit the Liberal Party, and
re-joined the Conservative Party.


Posted by: mrp at March 05, 2016 09:49 AM (JBggj)

Winston Churchill made his bones because of WWII. And some of his ideas there were not all that good either, like that old "soft underbelly of Europe" that the American generals said was a huge mistake and FDR went with it anyway.

How many people remember any of his political ideas outside of WWII?

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 09:52 AM (t2KH5)

240 Mr. Conroy arrived on the scene. He said that the trustees first demanded there be no homosexuality or miscegenation. "I told them that if they insisted on that, he recalled, I'd write the novel with this first sentence: 'After they made love, Rhett turned to Ashley Wilkes and said, "Ashley, have I ever told you that my grandmother was black?"'"


I will miss Pat Conroy. The Great Santini was my father, to the T, excpet, to his shame, USAF.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 05, 2016 09:54 AM (1zS3A)

241 155
Trump has made major donations to CPAC over the years, and they've
eagerly sought out his money and his endorsement, and yet they were
planning to stage a big hissy-fit walkout on him as soon as he started
speaking.

Hey, sounds like Romney.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 05, 2016 08:44 AM (oVJmc)



It's called "Insurance". If you pay your good. If you don't make a
donation, your place may catch fire, or your car might blow up, or your
tax returns may be leaked to the MSM.

CPAC and their ilk are just a bunch of good fellas looking out for you.



Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 05, 2016 08:52 AM (ej1L0)
you're only as good as your last check

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 05, 2016 09:54 AM (0O7c5)

242 New Zealand and Australia remember some of Churchill's pre-WW2 ideas. The "soft underbelly" of the Ottoman Empire turned out not to be a few dozen miles from old Constantinople. (Who knew?)

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 05, 2016 09:54 AM (KtcUs)

243 Speaking of old Megyn I see she has screwed up her hair again and on the latest photos it looks like her face has aged 25 years since I gave up the satellite.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 09:55 AM (t2KH5)

244 Me: The leading Republican candidate does not
attend the leading allegedly-conservative conclave, where he would
likely have had a hostile reception anyway. Doesn't this speak poorly of
that candidate and the nominal Republicans that support him?



BurtTC: I'm not seeing the logical connection between these two statements. They hate him, but he has to go anyway? ... I will agree all day long that Trump is not conservative...



That's the logical connection I meant. Not saying at all that
he should've gone to CPAC or that CPAC is all that great - don't really
know that much about it, really, 'cept what I read on here. Just
saying, as you do, he's not a conservative candidate, and his supporters
mostly aren't either, yet somehow he keeps getting lauded as a better
choice for conservatives. Better than alleged base-betraying so-called conservative RINOs, sure, no argument - but that's just definitional distortion.

Posted by: mindful webworker - gotta quit commenting to get caught up reading! at March 05, 2016 09:16 AM (j+h+K)


Ok, I get your point. I guess the answer, from my perspective is, there is a very distinct difference between "conservative" as a concept, and the Republican Party in practice. I also believe that CPAC as an entity has assumed a mantle of being the repository for "conservatism" that they just don't deserve. They're more Washington Insiders (tm) who want to define for everyone else what it means to be a One True Conservative, and frankly, I think they serve the Washington Establishment Complex quite well in the way they do it.


Regardless of all that, yes, the Don Trump is not conservative. His decision yesterday to avoid walking into that circle jerk doesn't really speak to that matter, at all.


Yet, there do seem to be people around here, sometimes including the host, who want to set up Trump for whatever gotcha they have planned for him, and then get mad at him when he doesn't walk into their trap.


For me, I'm really not a Trump fan, as far was political philosophies go. I probably disagree with the guy on 90% of what he believes... if I knew what he believes, which I don't (and really, neither does anyone else). But as a weapon against Washington Insiders and Gope and the Republican Party, I love the guy. Because they are worse than he is. Period.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2016 09:55 AM (TOk1P)

245 15 delegates scattered among the drop outs so far.

I don't think Trump or Cruz really need any commitments from them.

Yet.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 09:55 AM (WVsWD)

246 "like that old "soft underbelly of Europe"

Invading a long, mountainous, river laden peninsula that was oh so ever easy to defend. Yeah, not so good in hindsight.

"How many people remember any of his political ideas outside of WWII?"

Excellent question. Other than being a Tory I don't know what his domestic policy was.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 09:56 AM (9ym/8)

247 >>>The Selectmen voted to ask the owner to find the dog a new home. Which, eventually, she did.

Woof.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 05, 2016 08:52 AM (WIZNc)

***

You should have left Hillary! where she was.

Just sayin'

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 05, 2016 09:56 AM (1zS3A)

248 And there are actually people who want 4-8 more years of the horsefuckery.

There is a certain something ...

Posted by: Catherine the Great at March 05, 2016 09:58 AM (aFP77)

249 I can see ¡Jebby! auctioning his 4 delegates on eBay. Would anyone complain?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 09:58 AM (WVsWD)

250 242
New Zealand and Australia remember some of Churchill's pre-WW2 ideas. The "soft underbelly" of the Ottoman Empire turned out not to be a few dozen miles from old Constantinople. (Who knew?)


To be fair, from what I've read of the campaign, the plan had a fair chance of working and would have been of huge benefit to the British war effort. The problem was that the Royal Navy lost some ships to mines, then pretty much cut and run, leaving the troops in a completely untenable situation. I suppose there's plenty of blame to go around, so it isn't all Winnie's.

Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 09:58 AM (LAe3v)

251 Conservatives cannot get the job done.

Their sauce is too weak.

America needs a radical adjustment, not a tweak here and nudge there.

Build the wall and toss out the tresspassers.

It is the thing that must be done and must done first.

Posted by: eman at March 05, 2016 09:59 AM (Ahbpx)

252 "What do you expect any president do against "the PC culture"? I don't see any president simply having much power in this realm.


Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 09:23 AM (uZNvH)"


There is the bully pulpit and not actually pushing stuff like Title IX but I agree that the ability of the President to affect a lot of this stuff is pretty limited.

The state legislatures, on the other hand, can have a significant effect on the state schools who's budget they control. My personal recommendation would be for every state legislature to have a Shit List of the worst politically correct offenders teaching or administrating in their state university system and make it clear to the chancellors of those institutions that education money can easily be redirected to community colleges to teach welding and other useful skills if those people on the Shit List are not gone.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at March 05, 2016 09:59 AM (QHgTq)

253 You want CPAC.

You'd settle for C-SPAN.

You'll get CPAP.


Three variants of the alien face-spider.

Posted by: DaveA at March 05, 2016 09:59 AM (DL2i+)

254 cut and RAN

Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 09:59 AM (LAe3v)

255 246 Excellent question. Other than being a Tory I don't know what his domestic policy was.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 09:56 AM (9ym/


It would have been nice if before I dropped cable and satellite somebody like the History Channel would have done a two or three hour show on his life.

But then again maybe I should just go to the library since anything on TV would be slanted to liberal dogma and a pack of lies.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 10:00 AM (t2KH5)

256 Nikki Haley in the overall 8 years in office has
been pretty good. She sold us out on the Confederate flag recently but
90% of the country will not give a shit about that.

She sold us out on the BS children's three wheeler law early in but most people want care about that.

But
she refused Obamacare and common core in this State and she has
consistently called for restraining the budget and keeping taxes low.


And she has fought off the unions trying to come in tooth and nail,


Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 08:47 AM (t2KH5)


Where is she on the topic of illegal mexicans? Really, I don't know. I'm guessing she's either all on board with the R Party's welcoming of them, or she hasn't said anything.

If you tell me she has come out against any plan for opening the floodgates though, I will tell you that means they would never select her.

I still think she comes across as a ditz though. Regardless of where she stands on issues.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2016 10:00 AM (TOk1P)

257 244

I think my fear is that many conservatives are backing Trump because the "right" people hate him. But people forget that the reason we hate the Establishment t is because when the chips are down they fold.

Trump though is straight up more liberal than the hated Establishment. We're mad republicans can't defund PP, trump is out there telling everyone what a great organization they are.

If trump,is the nominee he has my support, but even now he's making noises that he's going to fold on immigration. I know a con man when I see one.

Posted by: Franklin at March 05, 2016 10:01 AM (BCelo)

258 250 I suppose there's plenty of blame to go around, so it isn't all Winnie's.


Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 09:58 AM (LAe3v)

US generals warned against it before it even started.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 10:01 AM (t2KH5)

259 I probably disagree with the guy on 90% of what he believes... if I knew
what he believes, which I don't (and really, neither does anyone else).


Including him.

Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 10:02 AM (LAe3v)

260 244
I also believe that CPAC as an entity has assumed a mantle of being the repository for "conservatism" that they just don't deserve. They're more Washington Insiders (tm) who want to define for everyone else what it means to be a One True Conservative, and frankly, I think they serve the Washington Establishment Complex quite well in the way they do it.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2016 09:55 AM (TOk1P)


Yes, that's the sense I get. CPAC is wildly popular among talk radio hosts because it gives them something to talk about.

Posted by: rickl at March 05, 2016 10:02 AM (sdi6R)

261 >>>Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 09:58 AM (LAe3v)


***

Ahem.

Posted by: The Turks at March 05, 2016 10:03 AM (1zS3A)

262 What can Trump do to end PC culture?

Be himself. By being just what and who he is. Leading by example. You set the example and it will encourage others to do so.

President Cruz's time will come. There will be at least a 4 year wait while he serves out a term as Vice President.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 10:03 AM (WVsWD)

263 I think half of you are talking about Italy and half of you are talking Gallipoli. Two different "soft underbellies".

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 05, 2016 10:04 AM (NeFrd)

264 Vic, we were talking Gallipoli, WW1, before the Americans got into the fray. If any Americans warned Churchill that it was a bad idea I'll be interested to know the cite

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 05, 2016 10:04 AM (KtcUs)

265 I probably disagree with the guy on 90% of what he believes... if I knew

what he believes, which I don't (and really, neither does anyone else).

Including him.


Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 10:02 AM (LAe3v)


Probably so.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2016 10:05 AM (TOk1P)

266 256 Where is she on the topic of illegal mexicans?
Really, I don't know. I'm guessing she's either all on board with the R
Party's welcoming of them, or she hasn't said anything.

If you
tell me she has come out against any plan for opening the floodgates
though, I will tell you that means they would never select her.

I still think she comes across as a ditz though. Regardless of where she stands on issues.


Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2016 10:00 AM (TOk1P)

She must be pretty good because from the charts I have seen SC has one of the lowest numbers of illegals in the country. SC does not give welfare and food stamps to illegals.
But you are right, I have never heard anything from her on illegals probably because we do not have a lot of them in the State.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 10:05 AM (t2KH5)

267 Along comes Trump, and suddenly "conservative" is a litmus test for republican party inclusion? Please!

Well, the way I see it, a person is a "conservative" if one uses a type of "preponderance of the evidence" standard. That is, a person may rightly be considered "conservative" if that person holds more conservative positions than not.

So IMO the "conservative litmus test" isn't really about whether someone is a "True Conservative" or not, but rather if someone passes this minimum threshold of having more conservative beliefs than not.

So people like McCain and Romney and Dole, no one would call them "conservative stalwarts" or anything like that, but taken as a whole, they were more right-of-center than not.

But Trump? He doesn't even meet that 51% threshold, really.

That is why I don't see it as any sort of contradiction to advocate that conservatives ought to vote for Romney as the better choice over Obama, but that conservatives shouldn't vote for Trump at all.

That is how I see it anyway.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 10:05 AM (uZNvH)

268 The Royal Navy needed a couple of carriers for the Dardanelles campaign. Unfortunately, they hadn't been invented yet.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 05, 2016 10:05 AM (tEDMc)

269 The Ronco Pocket Cuban can can function as an orbital sander, and wax your car! It also, slices, dices, and makes julienne fries!

I am also very good at repetitive tasks.
I am also very good at repetitive tasks.
I am also very good at repetitive tasks.

Posted by: R3BIO at March 05, 2016 10:06 AM (aFP77)

270 Which U.S. Generals warned against the landings at Gallipoli in WW I?

Or am I missing something.

At the time of Gallopili, Churchill was First Sea Lord, the Political Head of the Royal Navy.

IIRC

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 10:07 AM (WVsWD)

271 Nobody seems to have posted this here, but yesterday Cruz won the Louisiana caucus, 1800 votes to Trump's 1000. That means Cruz has Louisiana--the primary today is just a rubber stamp. The last LA poll had Trump well ahead of Cruz, so this is a big upset.
I'm looking forward to more upsets today. Most of the polls for these primaries are old, and since the primaries are closed, Trump doesn't have the advantage of Democratic cross-over.

Posted by: burke at March 05, 2016 10:07 AM (dsrlq)

272 US generals warned against it before it even started.


Posted by: Vic-we have no party


And US brass didn't think much of aircraft carriers or tanks when they were first developed. Hindsight is 20-20.

Besides, the Brits landed on Gallipolo in 1915. It would be another 2 years before the Americans were in the war. Why would you take the word of people who weren't on the ground and involved?

Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 10:08 AM (LAe3v)

273 I thought I remember the last few CPACs leading to the conclusion around here that the whole thing had pretty much turned into a cluster-fark.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 05, 2016 10:08 AM (oVJmc)

274 >>>I think half of you are talking about Italy and half of you are talking Gallipoli. Two different "soft underbellies".

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 05, 2016 10:04 AM (NeFrd)

***

I took a slash next to Winston Churchill, back in the day. A bit of an arse, but he did acknowledge my mad guerrilla skillz.



Posted by: Zombie Michael Collins at March 05, 2016 10:08 AM (1zS3A)

275 264
Vic, we were talking Gallipoli, WW1, before the Americans got into the
fray. If any Americans warned Churchill that it was a bad idea I'll be
interested to know the cite

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 05, 2016 10:04 AM (KtcUs)

No, I was talking about his push for the Italian campaign in WWII. He called that the "European soft underbelly". Ike was against it and wanted the channel crossing to France. That so-called soft underbelly turned out to be not so soft.

And this is something I picked up years ago and I don't remember where it came from. I'm sure that a little internet research can find it though.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 10:09 AM (t2KH5)

276 But as a weapon against Washington Insiders and Gope and the Republican Party, I love the guy. Because they are worse than he is. Period.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2016 09:55 AM (TOk1P)


Well said. As I mentioned earlier, there are many in the horde with your view, and being personally attacked for it is uncalled for. As the election gets closer, and these primary votes start to paint a picture some don't like, nerves are getting rattled.
It doesn't help that some Trump! folks are equally to blame for going personal, including some that may be trolls or HotAir refugees still getting a handle on the free-speaking ways of the horde.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 05, 2016 10:09 AM (kKHcp)

277 The Brits invented the aircraft carrier, for what it is worth. Just a few years after Gallipoli, unfortunately.

They did have seaplane tenders, though.

Posted by: Grey Fox at March 05, 2016 10:10 AM (bZ7mE)

278 "Vic, we were talking Gallipoli, WW1, before the Americans got into the fray. "


I believe we were referencing Italy with the Churchill WW2 talk.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 10:11 AM (9ym/8)

279 That is also why I think it is insane that some people say Rubio is "not a conservative". Yes he is, he is overwhelmingly more conservative than not, despite his apostasy on a few issues.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 10:11 AM (uZNvH)

280 The Dardanelles Campaign was a daring and brilliant concept, but poorly executed by the British Army commander, who was decidedly not daring or brilliant. He took months to assemble the troops, the logistical preparation for the operation was a disaster, and instead of taking a few weeks to pack up and move, the Brits gave the Turks and their German commanders months to reinforce and fortify the Straits.

Churchill also had that problem with the Royal Army during WWII, notably at Singapore and in the Aegean.

Posted by: mrp at March 05, 2016 10:11 AM (JBggj)

281 I also believe that CPAC as an entity has assumed
a mantle of being the repository for "conservatism" that they just
don't deserve. They're more Washington Insiders (tm) who want to define
for everyone else what it means to be a One True Conservative, and
frankly, I think they serve the Washington Establishment Complex quite
well in the way they do it.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2016 09:55 AM (TOk1P)



Yes, that's the sense I get. CPAC is wildly popular among talk radio hosts because it gives them something to talk about.

Posted by: rickl at March 05, 2016 10:02 AM (sdi6R)


I think I also start with an assumption that if you really are conservative, and you're trying to figure out how to unscrew this country, you are turning away from Washington in general, and to the states, specifically.


If you are dismantle the Washington Industrial Complex, it would be nice if you could put somebody in the White House, elect some more conservative Congresscritters, and have it it, but frankly, we don't have the weapons to do that job.


Which means, you start fighting from the ground up. But that's not terribly appealing to CPAP types, who really are of, by, and for Washington. I guess I don't really fault them for that, but I do think that makes them fairly irrelevant.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2016 10:11 AM (TOk1P)

282 268 The Royal Navy needed a couple of carriers for the Dardanelles campaign. Unfortunately, they hadn't been invented yet.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 05, 2016 10:05 AM (tEDMc)



Actually, they had.

In September 1914 the Imperial Japanese Navy Wakamiya conducted the world's first successful ship-launched air raid:[10][11] on 6 September 1914 a Farman aircraft launched by Wakamiya attacked the Austro-Hungarian cruiser SMS Kaiserin Elisabeth and the German gunboat Jaguar in Kiaochow Bay off Tsingtao; neither was hit.[12][13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_carrier#Origins

OK, so they still hadn't worked the bugs out. Plus Farman biplanes didn't have the range to hit Gallipoli from Kiaochow Bay.

Posted by: rickl at March 05, 2016 10:11 AM (sdi6R)

283 267 So people like McCain and Romney and Dole, no one
would call them "conservative stalwarts" or anything like that, but
taken as a whole, they were more right-of-center than not.

But Trump? He doesn't even meet that 51% threshold, really.

That
is why I don't see it as any sort of contradiction to advocate that
conservatives ought to vote for Romney as the better choice over Obama,
but that conservatives shouldn't vote for Trump at all.

That is how I see it anyway.


Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 10:05 AM (uZNvH)

Yeah, they are right of center just like Lindsay Graham. They talk conservative but they sell out the base every chance they get on major items. Boner's deals with the Democrats have been a uniform disaster. AnConehead has been no better.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 10:12 AM (t2KH5)

284 Finally, the neighbors dogs have stopped barking.


Posted by: Jubal Anderson Early at March 05, 2016 10:12 AM (RdP/w)

285 AOSHQ Prayer site, FS says? Hm.

Lemme see if I can get this in before the next thread.

I've read that prayer is best when it's a pattern of request, followed by thanksgiving, leading to worship.

Honestly, despite a slew of troubles, I'm good with the thanksgiving part - even in pain and turmoil, so much of life is beautiful and been ver' ver' good to me.

I'm not real clear on what worship even is, to be honest. Sort-of personal and beyond defining for me. Like love itself. But leave worship aside...

Prayer's my subject here. I'm not good at it, faith so meager that it makes a mustard seed seem mountainous, but every time someone asks for prayer here, I answer, if not overtly, at least in mind and heart. Whether it's for successful surgery or just a job interview. FWIW.

But for me, prayer is more simply "just" a way to ask to know God's will and adjust to it, than anything to genuinely, "magically," alter circumstances. Prayer is kinda like homeopathy for me in that regard - if things do get better, you can't tell if it was the prayer working, or if things would've got better anyway. But, still thankful, whatever the outcome, because we're still living in the Lord.

So, see, even though I'll help pray for good things, on the "just in case" principle, nevertheless, I rarely ask, because I just am not entirely sold on what good prayer-by-others and at-a distance really does. There's several severe situations I'd ask for prayer, if I did ask. Circumstantial, familial, and health, generally.

So, crawling out on a limb, here's something of a "test." (Not that I think one should test the Almighty!) A prayer request test.



Milady, my wonderful wife, has been afflicted for over two decades - a health problem that is disfiguring, disabling, and dangerous. Sometimes we think, oh, it's getting better, then it's the same again.

Doctors' prognoses have been like the old saying about asking three Jews and getting at least four opinions. They don't know what the cause is, but suggested solutions amount to cosmetic surgery which would leave her hardly any better, trading one set of problems for another, and cure nothing.

At least, amen! she's not been getting worse. Just staying messed up. For years and years.

I love to hear her singing in the kitchen as she cooks. She smiles and carries on happily, as a rule, despite her trouble, and all our troubles. Sometimes I almost get mad at the Lord, like, why can't you love her as much as I do and heal her? Which is silly, yet it is kind-of baffling. If faith can heal, how can she still be afflicted? Keeps me praying regularly, but I'd rather be thankful for a positive answer!

I don't want to say more, or go into more detail. She'd probably be embarrassed that I talked about it. But now that I have, please spare a prayer for her full health, physical, mental, and spiritual, as it's all one.

Thanks. Sorry for the wordiness and rambling.

Posted by: mindful webworker at March 05, 2016 10:12 AM (j+h+K)

286 Trump supporters are coming from, in the interest of reducing acrimony

Going twice doesn't excuse not understanding that Iraq HAD to be done or that little r, little d republican democratic government is the ONLY non-genocidal solution to contain the scaling problem posed by terrorists.

Maybe I'll try reading again later to get past that to how infuriating and amusing Trump's antics are.

Posted by: DaveA at March 05, 2016 10:12 AM (DL2i+)

287 "250
242

New Zealand and Australia remember some of Churchill's pre-WW2
ideas. The "soft underbelly" of the Ottoman Empire turned out not to be a
few dozen miles from old Constantinople. (Who knew?)

To be
fair, from what I've read of the campaign, the plan had a fair chance of
working and would have been of huge benefit to the British war effort.
The problem was that the Royal Navy lost some ships to mines, then
pretty much cut and run, leaving the troops in a completely untenable
situation. I suppose there's plenty of blame to go around, so it isn't
all Winnie's.


Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 09:58 AM (LAe3v)"


There were a number of Navy screw ups involved. The British navy either had no experience with or forgot how to participate in an amphibious invasion. They loaded the cargo ships for stability, putting the heaviest item, like artillery pieces and ammunition at the bottom of the holds underneath the lighter items like lighter items like spare clothing and regimental silver which had to be unloaded first.


This is one of the lessons learned by the Germans in their successful invasion of the Baltic Islands in 1917. They put the Army in charge of the operation.

There is also the effect of one Turkish officer, Mustafa Kamal who later became known as Ataturk. The Turkish soldiers at Galipoli were apparently in full panicked flight when he stopped them largely by force of his personality. The story goes that when a Turkish soldier asked him, "Do you expect us to stop them?", Ataturk replied, "No. I expect you to do your duty. Stay here and fight them until you die." The Turks stopped running, and did that.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at March 05, 2016 10:12 AM (QHgTq)

288
279 That is also why I think it is insane that some people say Rubio is "not a conservative". Yes he is, he is overwhelmingly more conservative than not, despite his apostasy on a few issues.
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 10:11 AM (uZNvH)

Which would mean a person can be a Conservative and a useless turd at the same time.


Posted by: eman at March 05, 2016 10:13 AM (Ahbpx)

289 This is probably the lousiest reason to back Trump but my word, the snarky, angry, insulting comments from our so call betters in Europe and Asia over the possibility of a Trump presidency is really grating. I have Facebook for one reason on,y, to keep in touch with friends and frailty in Malaysia and Australia and I'm being inundated with posts like 'the world is watching the American election like and I.Q. Test and so far we are not impressed'. And I think these assholes are the first to come whining to us to when they need help getting their shit together.

Posted by: IC at March 05, 2016 10:13 AM (zK6nG)

290 Vic, we were talking Gallipoli, WW1, before the Americans got into the

fray. If any Americans warned Churchill that it was a bad idea I'll be

interested to know the cite



Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 05, 2016 10:04 AM (KtcUs)

No, I was talking about his push for the Italian campaign in WWII.


Ah, we are talking at cross purposes.

Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 10:13 AM (LAe3v)

291 >>>> US brass didn't think much of aircraft carriers<<<<

The US launched the two largest aircraft carriers in the world during the 1920's and used them extensively to train and develop tactics. The notion that the navy didn't like carriers is ass covering myth for the politicians in Washington that didn't want to spend money to modernize the armed forces.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 05, 2016 10:14 AM (tEDMc)

292 The Brits plan to invade Italy starting at Sicily was pretty dumb. The accepted way to invade Italy is from the north.

Posted by: Hannibal and Julius Caeser at March 05, 2016 10:15 AM (TxJGV)

293 Which would mean a person can be a Conservative and a useless turd at the same time.







Posted by: eman at March 05, 2016 10:13 AM (Ahbpx)


Well, of course.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 10:15 AM (uZNvH)

294 Eh. Marshall wanted a cross-Channel invasion in 1943. That proved impossible. But something had to be done to help the Russians, and we had armies, fleets, and air forces in North Africa, so on to Italy.

Posted by: mrp at March 05, 2016 10:15 AM (JBggj)

295 Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 05, 2016 10:14 AM (tEDMc)

Do you make good money moving Pianos? My Son in Law is looking to pick up some part time work off the Farm.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 10:16 AM (WVsWD)

296 I lost respect for Carson. What's this passive aggressive crap? Endorse someone.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 05, 2016 10:17 AM (MNgU2)

297 Nobody seems to have posted this here, but yesterday
Cruz won the Louisiana caucus, 1800 votes to Trump's 1000. That means
Cruz has Louisiana--the primary today is just a rubber stamp. The last
LA poll had Trump well ahead of Cruz, so this is a big upset.

I'm looking forward to more upsets today. Most of the polls for
these primaries are old, and since the primaries are closed, Trump
doesn't have the advantage of Democratic cross-over.Posted by: burke at March 05, 2016 10:07 AM (dsrlq)

_______


The people who have 'suspended' their campaigns also have the hope that the RNC will help with their debts. So, surprise, surprise, they have endorsed Rubio.

I hope this good news continues. I will be interested to see where Sessions is now that DT has walked back his plan (allegedly written by Sessions), and using his endorsement. What about Christie's endorsement? As far as I can tell, RNC is Rubio/Kasich and those who endorse will have help with debts. See, SC endorsements all for Rubio (Lindsay).

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 05, 2016 10:17 AM (MIKMs)

298 68 So one of the threads yesterday had people talking about the acrimony here recently with the Trump - Cruz wars.

Also yesterday, someone shared this link with me.

If you are interested in understanding where the Trump supporters are coming from, in the interest of reducing acrimony and name-calling, I highly recommend reading it

http://preview.tinyurl.com/jkex6xz
Posted by: votermom at March 05, 2016 08:14 AM (cbfNE)

Thank you, votermom. Explains how I think on the matter. I don't love Trump. But I am tired, so tired of getting kicked in the teeth by my "own" party. Will he be "my guy?" Probably not, but he can't be worse than Obumbles or the socialist or the high treason artist or the anchor baby from Cuba.

I do not believe Cruz can unite people in government or in the public to his cause. I don't see him sustaining the fight. He is smart, obviously, but not dynamic, not a fighter.

I will settle for Mr. Crude.

(But I wil vote for Cruz, if he gets the nod - no hesitation)

Posted by: rebbl at March 05, 2016 10:18 AM (ZzuqH)

299 She must be pretty good because from the charts I
have seen SC has one of the lowest numbers of illegals in the country.
SC does not give welfare and food stamps to illegals.
But you are right, I have never heard anything from her on illegals probably because we do not have a lot of them in the State.


Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 10:05 AM (t2KH5)


Hmmm, I guess I thought I heard somewhere that she was rather soft on the subject. Maybe not. If she's being vetted however, I really think she would have to declare at some point, where she stands on it.


I guess I should stop picking on her though. I really don't know enough about her to make any sort of judgement. Just my own limited impressions.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2016 10:18 AM (TOk1P)

300 " But something had to be done to help the Russians, and we had armies, fleets, and air forces in North Africa, so on to Italy."


And that was it. Southern coast of France was too far. We had Sicily. It would be a "second front" to appease Uncle Joe.

Military sense not so much but it helped politically.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 10:18 AM (9ym/8)

301 Posted by: IC at March 05, 2016 10:13 AM (zK6nG)


Hard not to blame them when we have candidates literally arguing about dick size.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at March 05, 2016 10:20 AM (yos+4)

302 295 Do you make good money moving Pianos? My Son in Law is looking to pick up some part time work off the Farm.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 10:16 AM (WVsWD)

Me and three other guys helped a neighbor move a piano one time. I would not recommend it as a profession.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 10:20 AM (t2KH5)

303 So now I'm starting to see stories about Marios extramarital affairs, which his wife is apparently ok with. Anything to this?

Posted by: Oldbuffalo at March 05, 2016 07:44 AM (/pOl7)

The Enquirer had an article a while back that said he has a child with someone he cheated on his wife with (Dondi is our very own Republican John Edwards).

Posted by: redbanzai at March 05, 2016 10:20 AM (NPofj)

304 The US launched the two largest aircraft carriers in
the world during the 1920's and used them extensively to train and
develop tactics. The notion that the navy didn't like carriers is ass
covering myth for the politicians in Washington that didn't want to
spend money to modernize the armed forces.


Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living


Then you know more than I do. As I have always understood it, the admirals were all in on battleships, and it took Billy Mitchell's career to get it through their heads that things were changing.

Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 10:20 AM (LAe3v)

305 The reason Trump needs to become President is so Shatner can play him in the biopic.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 05, 2016 10:21 AM (oVJmc)

306 ChemJeff, read this link.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/jkex6xz
Posted by: votermom at March 05, 2016 08:14 AM (cbfNE)

The guy does a good job.

While I personally agree with you about Trump and conservative not being words that go together, it may be and probably is irrelevant this time around.

As for me, I've been saying Hellary is the next president for over a year.

Also, my guy dropped out. Then my other guy dropped out, so I won't say who my last guy is out of an irrational jinx fear, but it doesn't matter, because by time Wi votes, it's all over but the crying anyways.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 05, 2016 10:21 AM (kKHcp)

307 Dieppe raid in 1942 proved invasion wasn't possible yet

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2016 10:21 AM (fizMZ)

308 So now I'm starting to see stories about Marios extramarital affairs, which his wife is apparently ok with. Anything to this?

Well, I do know he likes to change his positions a lot.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 05, 2016 10:22 AM (oVJmc)

309 Me and three other guys helped a neighbor move a piano one time. I would not recommend it as a profession.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 10:20 AM (t2KH5)

He doesn't want full time. Just a little extra money from time to time.

Off hand, I was at the local Wal-Mart yesterday and they had a full stock of 22LR. WUWT?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 10:22 AM (WVsWD)

310 "294
Eh. Marshall wanted a cross-Channel invasion in 1943. That proved
impossible. But something had to be done to help the Russians, and we
had armies, fleets, and air forces in North Africa, so on to Italy.


Posted by: mrp at March 05, 2016 10:15 AM (JBggj)"


Almost immediately after Allied forces landed on the Italian mainland, the Italians threw out Mussolini and switched sides. You can argue that the Italians were not particularly dangerous enemies or useful allies but all things considered, they were less trouble as allies.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at March 05, 2016 10:23 AM (QHgTq)

311 Thanks. Sorry for the wordiness and rambling.

Posted by: mindful webworker at March 05, 2016 10:12 AM (j+h+K)
that was a beautiful request....i'm tearing up....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 05, 2016 10:23 AM (0O7c5)

312 hat is also why I think it is insane that some
people say Rubio is "not a conservative". Yes he is, he is
overwhelmingly more conservative than not, despite his apostasy on a few
issues.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 10:11 AM (uZNvH)



Which would mean a person can be a Conservative and a useless turd at the same time.



Posted by: eman at March 05, 2016 10:13 AM (Ahbpx)


Which is why I say the word "conservative" is becoming useless. There are too many people running up and down Washington, doing the math.


Then there are the so-called ratings that come out, giving this or that clown a 80-90% conservative score. It's useless, pointless score-keeping, based on a rigged game of obscuring who these people really are, and what they really want.

Which is generally, nowhere near the same things as the average person who considers him or herself to be conservative.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2016 10:23 AM (TOk1P)

313 "The reason Trump needs to become President is so Shatner can play him in the biopic."


That would be an awesome movie.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 10:23 AM (9ym/8)

314 The reason Trump needs to become President is so Shatner can play him in the biopic.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 05, 2016 10:21 AM


Splendid.

Quite possibly the bestest bio-pic EVAH

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 05, 2016 10:23 AM (ZQfW9)

315 Tim,

I work at a music store and do all the piano deliveries and moves (even if you buy a piano off craig's list somebody has to move it). I also work in the store and sell guitars and keyboards. I'm not getting rich but I do all right and can pay my bills and save a little.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 05, 2016 10:23 AM (tEDMc)

316 309
He doesn't want full time. Just a little extra money from time to time.



Off hand, I was at the local Wal-Mart yesterday and they had a full stock of 22LR. WUWT?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 10:22 AM (WVsWD)

I would not want it even part time. Of course I couldn't now. When we moved that one I was still young and could do a dead lift on 400 pounds and that piano nearly killed my ass.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 10:25 AM (t2KH5)

317 Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 05, 2016 10:23 AM (tEDMc)

I was just teasing anyway. He's going to be quite busy this year.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 10:25 AM (WVsWD)

318
"If that would happen we will have a manifest revolt on our hands all across this country".

Nah, Ted, not even close. What you'll have is continued complacency, cluelessness, tribalism, ignorance, dependence on distorted sources of information, race-baiting, and infantile moral narcissism substituting for responsible intelligent thought.

GOP ticket blown up? Sure, maybe. The inconceivable degradation and disaster of Hillary being elected, sure. Revolt by any but a minority? Nah.

Oh, and Dr. Ben can stuff his "fear and anger" crap. Doesn't he realize this kind of statement is the airhead teenage emotional response of a typical ignorant NPR listener? You can see it everywhere (even here).


Posted by: rhomboid at March 05, 2016 10:25 AM (QDnY+)

319 Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 10:20 AM (LAe3v)

To my knowledge you are right. In 1926 I believe Mitchell was Court martialed for bitiching to his superiors for them concentrating on having battleships rather than carriers.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 05, 2016 10:25 AM (MNgU2)

320 "Then you know more than I do. As I have always
understood it, the admirals were all in on battleships, and it took
Billy Mitchell's career to get it through their heads that things were
changing.


Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 10:20 AM (LAe3v)"

Actually, I think that it was the Washington Treaty that limited the number of battleships and cruisers that changed things. The treaty allowed them to build some carriers so they did.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at March 05, 2016 10:26 AM (QHgTq)

321 Piano moving would suck but I always wondered about the people who have to move safes. My gun safe weighs 650lbs and took a forklift to get it in the front door.

Posted by: Jubal Anderson Early at March 05, 2016 10:27 AM (RdP/w)

322 304
As I have always understood it, the admirals were all in on battleships, and it took Billy Mitchell's career to get it through their heads that things were changing.
Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 10:20 AM (LAe3v)


That was in the early 20s, before Lexington and Saratoga were built.

Posted by: rickl at March 05, 2016 10:27 AM (sdi6R)

323 Actually, they had.

In September 1914 the Imperial Japanese Navy Wakamiya conducted the world's first successful ship-launched air raid:[10][11] on 6 September 1914 a Farman aircraft launched by Wakamiya attacked the Austro-Hungarian cruiser SMS Kaiserin Elisabeth and the German gunboat Jaguar in Kiaochow Bay off Tsingtao; neither was hit.[12][13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_carrier#Origins

OK, so they still hadn't worked the bugs out. Plus Farman biplanes didn't have the range to hit Gallipoli from Kiaochow Bay.


Seems unclear if they launched off the ship or off the ocean - the entry for the ship itself suggests that they were launched off the ocean, which would be the likely method for a seaplane tender carrying seaplanes.

HMS Furious was the first ship to both launch a wheeled plane from a deck and retrieve it.

Posted by: Grey Fox at March 05, 2016 10:27 AM (bZ7mE)

324 Posted by: mindful webworker at March 05, 2016 10:12 AM

~~~

Will definitely pray for your wife, and you as well. It seems to me that she has an incredible spirit, and she is also very fortunate to have such a loving husband too.

Posted by: IrishEi at March 05, 2016 10:27 AM (E6RIJ)

325 I do not believe Cruz can unite people in government
or in the public to his cause. I don't see him sustaining the fight. He
is smart, obviously, but not dynamic, not a fighter.



I will settle for Mr. Crude.



(But I wil vote for Cruz, if he gets the nod - no hesitation)

Posted by: rebbl


Allow me to suggest why things are not seen the same from both sides of the Trump discussion. I'll assume you consider yourself a conservative, and that we have the same overall goals. (If not, then never mind the rest).

Your problem with Cruz is that you don't think he is electable, but that he is ideologically acceptable.

My problem with Trump is that I think he may be electable, but he is ideologically unacceptable (to the extent he has an ideology at all, other than what's good for Donald Trump's ego).

If you're wrong, and Cruz wins, we still win. If Trump wins, we lose.

There is no equivalence between the scenarios.

Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 10:28 AM (LAe3v)

326 Since I ate breakfast at 4 am this morning I'm hungry ro going to fix some lunch. bbl

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 10:29 AM (t2KH5)

327 The only thing the Mitchell test really concluded was that a Bomber, not flying through ann AA fire, flying straight and level, could hit a Battleship, that was sitting dead in the water.

Should of staffed those ships with convicts from Alcatraz, told em were going to hold a series of month long tests.

The Survivors get a pardon and go free.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 10:29 AM (WVsWD)

328 Somewhere around here, I have an old drawing showing Lexington in its original design as a cruiser. It might even be valuable, because I've never seen anything like it.

Posted by: rickl at March 05, 2016 10:29 AM (sdi6R)

329 Told this yesterday
As a kid I saw guys jackhammer out in roads and thought "I'd like to do that someday"
I don't ever want to touch a jackhammer ever again

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2016 10:30 AM (fizMZ)

330 My helper is a kid that goes to the local college and we work moves and deliveries around his class schedule. Unless there are a lot of steps or it is a really big piano, like a 7' grand we do most moves with just the two of us.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 05, 2016 10:30 AM (tEDMc)

331 The Ghostbusters Ugly Chick movie looks funny!

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 05, 2016 10:31 AM (gwG9s)

332 My wife bought a vintage piano for $100 at a thrift store, spent about $700 on moving, tuning, and storage.

Weighs about 1000 pounds. Built about 1904.

It's where they brought it in and put it down and it's not going anywhere, even if we have to change carpet around it.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 05, 2016 10:32 AM (oVJmc)

333 Do you make good money moving Pianos? My Son in Law is looking to pick up some part time work off the Farm.


Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 10:16 AM (WVsWD)
Me and three other guys helped a neighbor move a piano one time. I would not recommend it as a profession.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 10:20 AM (t2KH5)

_________

No, a thousand times NO. My family is full of Clydesdales (in a smaller world) and they are asked for 'favors' all the time. Fine, if putting your back and body on the line for a case of beer works, go for it. As a part-time gig -- no way.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 05, 2016 10:32 AM (MIKMs)

334 "Piano moving would suck but I always wondered about the people who have to move safes."


Moved a gun safe (the full size Browning kind) one time. Screw that. Wore us out and damn near tipped over a couple times.

I'll hire it done and thanks for guys like piano mover.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 10:32 AM (9ym/8)

335 I think my fear is that many conservatives are backing Trump because the "right" people hate him. But people forget that the reason we hate the Establishment t is because when the chips are down they fold.

Trump though is straight up more liberal than the hated Establishment. We're mad republicans can't defund PP, trump is out there telling everyone what a great organization they are.

If trump,is the nominee he has my support, but even now he's making noises that he's going to fold on immigration. I know a con man when I see one.

Posted by: Franklin at March 05, 2016 10:01 AM (Belo)



I'm a Cruz guy. (though Trump is plan B if Cruz fails).


But, the thing is this-

There are three or four big issues in this election-

Jobs
Terrorism
Illegal immigration
SC picks

- can you honestly tell me that we would have a conservative solution to any of these issues with a Jeb!, Romney, Mario Romo, or Twitchy Kasich?

Nope.

What about previous Preezy candidates pushed by the GOPe?

W? McCain? Romney?

Nope.

Are you willing to bet on the establishment politicians in place like Ryan and McConnell to solve these with conservative solutions?

Nope.

So, what the answer to the problem of the weak, cowardly, venal, greedy, faithless, backstabbing GOPe?

Because they absolutely refuse to give you what you want-

They all went along with Obama's plans (except for that 1st stand on Obamacare)-

but now they whip out the chainsaws now on the GOP nominees?

So, here are your two choices:

1) Trump who actually addressed first - those top three issues. But, who is a probable dud on the 4th issue- at best we get another Roberts.

Plus, as an added bonus- he makes the GOPe types spit blood.

2) Cruz- if you're a conservative- he is the most conservative choice. Strong on all four issues(though he had to be drug to the H1B issue about jobs).

Plus, as an added bonus- he makes the GOPe types spit blood though in a different way than Trump.

I really can't fault either choice, though I believe we'll get more of what we want with Cruz.

It's time for everyone to get behind wither Trump or Cruz though.

Kasich would be even worse than Mario. He needs to be aced out.

And the GOPe needs their nose pushed into their own poo and whipped with a rolled up newspaper until they understand.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 05, 2016 10:33 AM (2rmvw)

336 Break time, toasted pop tarts

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2016 10:33 AM (fizMZ)

337 My problem with Trump is that I think he may be electable, but he is ideologically unacceptable (to the extent he has an ideology at all, other than what's good for Donald Trump's ego).

If you're wrong, and Cruz wins, we still win. If Trump wins, we lose.

There is no equivalence between the scenarios.
Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 10:28 AM (LAe3v)

A third possibility.
If Cruz is unelectable, then Hillary!
If Trump is electable, and elected, then X.

We don't know what X is, and most of us project our fears into that space because Trump gives us no reason to be certain of anything. He is like Obama in that we put our fears or hopes into the bland space he's created by saying everything and nothing.

but.....X could be one or two things we want and haven't been able to achieve with the system as it is currently comprised.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 05, 2016 10:33 AM (kKHcp)

338 Billy Mitchell didn't like aircraft carriers. He thought that land based planes would always be able to beat them. His scenario for the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor involved them using their surface fleet to invade and occupy one of the other Hawaiian islands and then using it as a base to attack Pearl.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 05, 2016 10:34 AM (tEDMc)

339 Until Jindal endorsed Rubio, how was he "incredibly unelectable (sic)".

Posted by: Seems legit at March 05, 2016 10:35 AM (xEZkG)

340 >>> And that was it. Southern coast of France was too far. We had Sicily. It would be a "second front" to appease Uncle Joe.

Fuck Uncle Joe. We was allied with Gemany and hoping to pick up British territorial scraps. Someone needed to tell him "We are fighting a second front: Murmansk."

Posted by: fluffy at March 05, 2016 10:36 AM (2hcmo)

341 Although I am not a Trump supporter, those are my
sentiments exactly. So why am I not a Trump supporter. The main reason
among other things is that he has switched parties 5 times, and he
supports a LOT of very liberal positions that are also counter to what
this guy says.


Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 08:21 AM (t2KH5)

This.

I share the anger but, given his past and lack of either good character or conservative ideals, Trump is not the avatar of that anger we should be looking to (and I say this as someone who was Trump-curious before he got nasty and I did my research).

Posted by: redbanzai at March 05, 2016 10:36 AM (NPofj)

342 Reading about 'scary' BLM protests at Trump campaign events at drudge link. Bad news.

Republican convention in Cleveland, Ohio.
Democratic convention in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Advantage Republican convention, I think. Philly in the end of July will be hot and humid and has sizable population advantage.

Early prediction: It's gonna get nasty for both parties.
Advantage to republicans, whose voters will see the outrageous behavior as the need to return law and order.

That's my crystal ball.

Posted by: mega machines at March 05, 2016 10:37 AM (fbovC)

343 Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 05, 2016 10:21 AM (kKHcp)

Thank you, I did read the article. He is eloquent but he falls into some of the same traps that I see a lot of Trump supporters around here fall into.


He falls into a lot of false choice fallacies, along the lines of "Trump isn't conservative, but so what? Nobody in DC is either!" Well even if both propositions are true - Trump is not a conservative, and that no one in DC is either - that doesn't mean our choices are limited only to "Trump" or "the DC Establishment".


He also seems confused as to whether modern Republicans are too ideological, or not ideological enough in their defense of conservative principle. He is trying to have it both ways.


He is also appealing to "America First" nationalist protectionism as "the true conservatism", when it really isn't and never was.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 10:38 AM (uZNvH)

344 "Fuck Uncle Joe."

Well, ya know, FDR liked him so much.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 10:38 AM (9ym/8)

345 Also I think he gets it wrong when he says that Donald Trump is going to look out for "America's interests". I am not sure of that. I think Donald Trump will look out for Donald Trump's interests.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 10:39 AM (uZNvH)

346 Last employer we built grocery stores, moving large equipment and yes safes is all in equipment, leverage and doilies.

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2016 10:39 AM (fizMZ)

347 I need to go get stuff done.

Y'all play nice.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at March 05, 2016 10:39 AM (tEDMc)

348 A third possibility.

If Cruz is unelectable, then Hillary!

If Trump is electable, and elected, then X.


You are correct, and if I thought Cruz had no more chance than the Polish cavalry, I would back another candidate, even if I thought they didn't represent my views as well. However, as DT found out to his chagrin at the debate, there are candidates, Cruz included, who look like they can be Hillary.

Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 10:39 AM (LAe3v)

349 325
It's an interesting breakdown, but I think that assumes Trump offers "nothing" over a standard liberal Democrat.

I think even Trump would try and appoint a conservative justice. Not to say he would get it right, but even Cruz badly screwed up with Roberts.

So if I was sure Cruz loses but Trump wins, no question I would back Trump for a primary. Even if he'll sell us out on say Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: Franklin at March 05, 2016 10:40 AM (BCelo)

350 If Cruz wins the ticket will be Cruz/RINO.

The gope will get what it wants.

The most effective and most likely to win ticket is Trump/Cruz.

Bad Cop/Good Cop.

Posted by: eman at March 05, 2016 10:40 AM (Ahbpx)

351 BEAT Hillary. Big difference.

Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 10:41 AM (LAe3v)

352 Somebody upthread mentioned the Trump-Cruz flame wars, and yes, they have been pretty nasty.

I'm agnostic on that issue. Trump is my first choice (but I bristle at the terms "Trumpbot" or "Trumpster"), but I would vote for Cruz if he were the nominee.

And they are the only ones I find acceptable. If it's Rubio, I'll write in my cat's name.

Posted by: rickl at March 05, 2016 10:41 AM (sdi6R)

353 A while back, I moved a boiler from another house to our house... single handedly.

It took 2 days, a combination of a 3 ton engine hoist, a trailer, a come-along, and 4 furniture dollies. Got the bastid moved though.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 05, 2016 10:41 AM (9mTYi)

354 >>> We was allied with Gemany

HE was allied, etc.

Eye typ gud.

Posted by: fluffy at March 05, 2016 10:41 AM (2hcmo)

355 A third possibility.

If Cruz is unelectable, then Hillary!

If Trump is electable, and elected, then X.



We don't know what X is, and most of us project our fears into that
space because Trump gives us no reason to be certain of anything. He is
like Obama in that we put our fears or hopes into the bland space he's
created by saying everything and nothing.



but.....X could be one or two things we want and haven't been able to achieve with the system as it is currently comprised.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 05, 2016 10:33 AM (kKHcp)

But the value of "X" is not a pure unknown. We DO have some insight into Trump's past that leads many people to believe that he will act in a somewhat authoritarian manner. He praises Putin and the Communist Chinese, he praises "strong leadership", he thinks the military will follow illegal orders just because he declares it to be so. That is a different dimension of concern rather than "will Trump build the border wall or not".

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 10:42 AM (uZNvH)

356 "You are correct, and if I thought Cruz had no more chance than the Polish cavalry, "

In reality the Polish Cavalry of Sep 39 preformed quite well for the situation they were put into. I hope you are not meaning a Horse Charge against German Tanks because that never happened.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 10:42 AM (WVsWD)

357 " But something had to be done to help the Russians, and we had armies, fleets, and air forces in North Africa, so on to Italy."




Had to help the commies and hand half of Europe over to them. Well done Comrade Frankie

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 05, 2016 10:42 AM (45oDG)

358 I'd rather move boilers than be in an AoSHQ political cage match.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 05, 2016 10:42 AM (9mTYi)

359 Meanwhile, in Yemen, some Sunni gunmen did what Sunni gunmen do - murder nuns and old people.
http://tinyurl.com/zw7nvjb

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 05, 2016 10:43 AM (KtcUs)

360 And quite frankly I think Trump's history of authoritarian love is too quickly dismissed by his supporters.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 10:43 AM (uZNvH)

361 Mike Hammer,

Moving things like that does lead to some creative engineering.

Posted by: Jubal Anderson Early at March 05, 2016 10:44 AM (RdP/w)

362 re: the girly drinks in the sidebar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPqT6ZoyOuw

Posted by: Ghost of kari - fistbumps for my peeps at March 05, 2016 10:44 AM (ubByS)

363 Fenelon, if you are still on the thread - you can email me
votermom at gmail

The "we" site - I didn't recommend it but I think that is weebly.com

I have never tried it but I've heard good things about it. The biggest advantage is that it is drag and drop so you don't need any website building experience.

Posted by: votermom at March 05, 2016 10:44 AM (cbfNE)

364 "I'm agnostic on that issue. Trump is my first choice (but I bristle at the terms "Trumpbot" or "Trumpster"), but I would vote for Cruz if he were the nominee. "

You must of missed this yesterday. Someone labeled us "Branch Trumpidians"

Nice, huh?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 10:44 AM (WVsWD)

365 I think Cruz is able to beat Hillary, but only because she's such a horrible candidate with real legal problems and we just came off 8 years of Obama.

Any other election, Cruz would be soundly beaten by a pretty generic Democrat. He's ideologically sound but a poor retail politician.

Posted by: Franklin at March 05, 2016 10:45 AM (BCelo)

366 Cruz / RINO is unlikely. Cruz will probably choose a governor and that governor is most likely Walker. Who isn't an "orthodox conservative" in all issues, but I've already stated here that I don't care about lolconservatives anymore.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 05, 2016 10:45 AM (KtcUs)

367 Democratic convention in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

"Where We Choose Your New White Master!"

I predict tensions.

Posted by: t-bird at March 05, 2016 10:45 AM (9mTYi)

368 I worry about everyone's ages. Sanders, Trump, Clinton and Kasich. They are OLD. No matter how good their health, math is pretty tough and the odds of any one of them popping off in the middle of their administration is very high. Not to mention the rather 'fixed' attitudes and methods demonstrated by some successful old people -- and all of them are successful in one metric or another and their opinions and methods are not going to change at this late date. The four I mentioned are just too old for me.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 05, 2016 10:47 AM (MIKMs)

369 I think Cruz/Walker would be good, but I don't know if Walker can really bring down the fire and brimstone that is necessary for this election as well as the tact. Because you just know that Hillbot is going to pick some affirmative action candidate as VP. You don't want the VP candidate to pull some sort of Akin-like gaffe when going up against a wise Latina or something.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 10:47 AM (uZNvH)

370 Moving things like that does lead to some creative engineering.
Posted by: Jubal Anderson Early
---------------

Ropes, pulleys, levers, rollers, come-alongs. The basic machines. Pinched fingers and a strained back are optional. Cursing is a textbook part of the process.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 05, 2016 10:47 AM (9mTYi)

371 In reality the Polish Cavalry of Sep 39 preformed quite well for the
situation they were put into. I hope you are not meaning a Horse Charge
against German Tanks because that never happened.


Dude, you are kicking my ass today. I agree that they might have performed well for the parameters of the situation, but they were never going to be effective. And yes, I'd always heard that they were used to charge tanks. I'm glad to hear that their deaths weren't quite so stupid.

Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 10:47 AM (LAe3v)

372 364
You must of missed this yesterday. Someone labeled us "Branch Trumpidians"

Nice, huh?
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 10:44 AM (WVsWD)


Yes, I missed that. I'd bet money that he would vote for Rubio, though.

Posted by: rickl at March 05, 2016 10:48 AM (sdi6R)

373 Philadelphia is a leftist hell, always looking for more money. The Imam of Jim Kenney wants a .03 cents tax on soft drinks

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2016 10:48 AM (fizMZ)

374 When I think of it, I am amazed and grateful that top two candidates are Trump and Cruz. Could ANYONE have predicted this a year ago?

Posted by: votermom at March 05, 2016 10:48 AM (cbfNE)

375 If Walker was going to go Akin, he'd have done it long ago and the recall would have succeeded.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 05, 2016 10:49 AM (KtcUs)

376 "Someone labeled us "Branch Trumpidians"




Heh.


Missed that.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 10:49 AM (9ym/8)

377 Someone labeled us "Branch Trumpidians"

Ah, come on. That's funny.

Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 10:50 AM (LAe3v)

378 Trump wins four closed primaries today defying experts.

Posted by: Nicholas Differential at March 05, 2016 10:51 AM (YoNke)

379
You must of missed this yesterday. Someone labeled us "Branch Trumpidians"


Khmer Trump

The Small Hand Gang

etc.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 05, 2016 10:51 AM (oVJmc)

380 You must of missed this yesterday. Someone labeled us "Branch Trumpidians" 


You should just laugh at that stuff. We mock the 'safe space seeking' college kids for their perpetual desire to not be mildly annoyed by anything.

This is a political blog. With food and vegetables. And sports and a dose of religion. They're all topics that can be annoying. Especially vegetables.

Posted by: mega machines at March 05, 2016 10:51 AM (fbovC)

381 If Cruz wins the ticket will be Cruz/RINO.

A la Reagan/Bush I? I guess I can see the logic- "do good things against your will for eight years, then use that success to go back to your old ways"

Posted by: t-bird at March 05, 2016 10:51 AM (ZxmMG)

382 "Could ANYONE have predicted this a year ago? "



I thought Walker would run away with it. Show's what I know.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 05, 2016 10:51 AM (9ym/8)

383 Reading about 'scary' BLM protests at Trump campaign events at drudge link. Bad news.





The protests are so damn staged and phony. They're just get headlines of Trump throws blacks out of events so the LIVs and other assorted idiots lap it up.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 05, 2016 10:52 AM (45oDG)

384 RK

Here you go. Post 390

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=361942

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 10:52 AM (WVsWD)

385 This is a political blog. With food and vegetables. And sports and a dose of religion. They're all topics that can be annoying.

Thank goodness we have the safe space of "boobs!"

Posted by: t-bird at March 05, 2016 10:52 AM (RrDm2)

386 378
Trump wins four closed primaries today defying experts.





Posted by: Nicholas Differential at March 05, 2016 10:51 AM (YoNke)

Well, Cruz already won Louisiana.
Trump might win in Kansas, because, hey, Kansas.
I bet either Rubio or Kasich wins in Maine. Too much Liberal NE RINOism up there.
Kentucky? Who knows. It probably depends on which campaign hands out the most bourbon.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 10:52 AM (uZNvH)

387 Yes Polish cavalry never charged German tanks, they did make fantastic airmen though.

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2016 10:53 AM (fizMZ)

388 51 percent approval. Bitches.

Posted by: POTUS at March 05, 2016 10:54 AM (gwG9s)

389 Superdelegates explained

The system was developed in the early 1980s as a way for party leaders to provide some guidance to voters when it came to nominating candidates who could hold their own against Republicans in the general election.




In other words the Democrat Party is saying their voters can't be trusted with who they'll choose so they'll pick someone in spite of them.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 05, 2016 10:54 AM (45oDG)

390 381.

I wouldn't really have a big problem with that if it was the difference between him winning or losing.

Something like a Cruz/Kasich would be fine, I don't see Kasich rubbing off on Cruz.

Bush 1 didn't;t seem to have any influence over Reagan.

Truth is, we need Establishment money and support just like Dems need both Clinton and Sanders wings.

Posted by: Franklin at March 05, 2016 10:54 AM (BCelo)

391 Nood

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2016 10:54 AM (fizMZ)

392 51 percent approval. Bitches.

His approval with the media is at least twice that.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 05, 2016 10:55 AM (oVJmc)

393 I bet either Rubio or Kasich wins in Maine. Too much Liberal NE RINOism up there. Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 10:52 AM

Who did you think would win in MA?

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 05, 2016 10:55 AM (WIZNc)

394
366 Cruz / RINO is unlikely. Cruz will probably choose a governor and that governor is most likely Walker. Who isn't an "orthodox conservative" in all issues, but I've already stated here that I don't care about lolconservatives anymore.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 05, 2016 10:45 AM (KtcUs)

The gope will pick the VP.

Posted by: eman at March 05, 2016 10:56 AM (Ahbpx)

395 377
Someone labeled us "Branch Trumpidians"

Ah, come on. That's funny.


Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 10:50 AM (LAe3v)
that is hysterical! i don't care who you are....that's funny.....i'm for cruz, i wasn't going to vote for trump after his 9-11 comments....but i'm back to him being plan b

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at March 05, 2016 10:56 AM (0O7c5)

396 392

That's why I think Trump is a bad idea, you can tell already there is fatigue. 9 more months of this?

And then the last poll shows Hillary beating Trump by 8 points with Cruz and Rubio actually beating Hillary.

I know it's fashionable for conservatives to believe polling is always wrong but I don't like sticking my head in the sand. Most people I talk to hate Trump, even reliable conservative Republicans.

Posted by: Franklin at March 05, 2016 10:57 AM (BCelo)

397 Sheesh. This 'authoritarian" Trump thing is a bore. And a loser. We're going through eight years with Barry, who promised to change sea levels and to bring us all together.

The problem is, we've sent majorities of "conservatives" to the US House and Senate to stop Barry. Have our betters reversed a single Barry EO? Instead, the Republican congressional leadership negotiates and colludes with the White House in order to send record levels of our tax dollars to DC for spending hidden in gargantuan omnibus bills.

But you can bet your last copper-washed zinc penny that a President Trump will face a fully-weaponized, Madison-enthralled Republican-Democrat Congressional Caucus Of The Inflamed who will demand an accounting for every nickel in the budget. Oh, yes, with Trump in the White House, we'll finally return to real budgets and checks and balances between the branches of government.

And that would be a good thing. Vote Trump!

Posted by: mrp at March 05, 2016 10:58 AM (JBggj)

398 Thank goodness we have the safe space of "boobs!"
Posted by: t-bird
-------------

Well, I was going to mention that Sportman's Outdoors has Winchester .22 plated HP on sale this weekend, 555 rnds for 37.95, but... sold out.

I'm not sure that adding ammo to this thread is a good idea anyway.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 05, 2016 10:59 AM (9mTYi)

399 Dude, you are kicking my ass today. I agree that they might have performed well for the parameters of the situation, but they were never going to be effective. And yes, I'd always heard that they were used to charge tanks. I'm glad to hear that their deaths weren't quite so stupid.

Posted by: pep at March 05, 2016 10:47 AM (LAe3v)

That depends on what you mean by effective. In the roll that the Polish Cavalry were assinged, which was first line Reserves for the Armies they were assigned to, they on average were more effective than the Regular Infantry. The Polish Armies problems were not the fault of the Individual units.

The problems were the High Command and their Strategy of defense. They dried to defend everything. What happens when you try that?

You lose everything.

On top of a losing strategy they one thing wrong and it was the worst thing they could ever do.

They trusted the French.

Game over?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 10:59 AM (WVsWD)

400 Piano movers? I got yer piano movers!

(I think, I hope, this link goes to the full half-hour flick.)

Laurel & Hardy - The Music Box
https://youtu.be/s4nVg_W_6Y

This film won the very first Academy Award for Live Action Short Film (Comedy) in 1932. Hal Roach.

Posted by: mindful webworker - comedy gold at March 05, 2016 10:59 AM (j+h+K)

401 Actually this is the post you should read:

http://bit.ly/1niojZl

And Medgar Evers brother Chris endorsed Trump yesterday. He wants jobs in Mississippi, specifically catfish farms.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 05, 2016 11:02 AM (Lqy/e)

402 386
Kentucky? Who knows. It probably depends on which campaign hands out the most bourbon.
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 10:52 AM (uZNvH)


That's a venerable old tradition, you young whippersnapper.

Posted by: George Washington at March 05, 2016 11:02 AM (sdi6R)

403 394
366 Cruz / RINO is unlikely. Cruz will probably choose a governor and that governor is most likely Walker. Who isn't an "orthodox conservative" in all issues, but I've already stated here that I don't care about lolconservatives anymore.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 05, 2016 10:45 AM (KtcUs)

The gope will pick the VP.

Posted by: eman at March 05, 2016 10:56 AM (Ahbpx)



I would bet-

Cruz/Haley.


Pretty but not in a "threatening" way for teh other wymyns.

Minority- so, she could whale on Hillary! VP pick with impunity.

GOPe-leaning but not overly so.

She might even be able to play well with the Silicon Valley crowd.

Has nice Southern gal demeanor which contrasts well with Hillary! screeching shrew.


Posted by: naturalfake at March 05, 2016 11:05 AM (2rmvw)

404 And quite frankly I think Trump's history of authoritarian love is too quickly dismissed by his supporters.
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 10:43 AM (uZNvH)

I understand that completely, it is one of the things that give me pause.
It could be explained by him being ultimately responsible in private industry for success or failure. That big TRUMP sign he sticks on everything isn't just indicative of his ego, but also his representation to the world. He wants his projects his way, to the extent legally allowed. Authoritarian works in private industry, and force of will is part of it.

Perhaps we're so used to politicians using test marketed, focus-group approved phrases that plain talk makes people nervous. Perhaps he's a closet Mussolini.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 05, 2016 11:06 AM (kKHcp)

405 If you want Polish cavalry look for Napoleon's Guard lancers, that is one fierce unit.

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2016 11:06 AM (fizMZ)

406 If Cruz wins the ticket will be Cruz/RINO.



A la Reagan/Bush I? I guess I can see the logic- "do good things
against your will for eight years, then use that success to go back to
your old ways"

Posted by: t-bird at March 05, 2016 10:51 AM (ZxmMG)

The GOPe does not have the power this year to force a RINO on Cruz.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 05, 2016 11:09 AM (NPofj)

407
The problem is, we've sent majorities of "conservatives" to the US
House and Senate to stop Barry. Have our betters reversed a single Barry
EO? Instead, the Republican congressional leadership negotiates and
colludes with the White House in order to send record levels of our tax
dollars to DC for spending hidden in gargantuan omnibus bills.



One way to interpret this result is to conclude that the executive has too much power, and that Congress has difficulty restraining the executive even when it wants to. That the checks and balances are fundamentally broken as Congress has in the past delegated too much power to the executive, and now is unable to claw it back. If that is the case, the last thing we want is a more authoritarian-loving president, that will make the situation worse, because if Congress isn't currently able to stop Obama's authoritarianism, it certainly won't be able to stop Trump's authoritarianism-on-steroids.


Of course, the other way to interpret this result is to conclude that the checks and balances are fine, but Republicans and Democrats are all in cahoots and all want the same thing. If you believe this, then you want an authoritarian-minded president who will just set everything right, and after all, his authoritarianism can't do *too* much damage, because Congress really does have the power to check an out-of-control executive branch, it has just recently chosen not to use that power.


I tend to favor the former interpretation, mainly because the latter one sounds too conspiratorial, and it moreover presumes that Congress has vast amounts of power that it is just choosing not to use, which seems nonsensical on its face. When was the last time any unit of government refrained from using the legal power it had available to it?

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 05, 2016 11:11 AM (uZNvH)

408 I understand that completely, it is one of the things that give me pause.

It could be explained by him being ultimately responsible in private
industry for success or failure. That big TRUMP sign he sticks on
everything isn't just indicative of his ego, but also his representation
to the world. He wants his projects his way, to the extent legally
allowed. Authoritarian works in private industry, and force of will is
part of it.



Perhaps we're so used to politicians using test marketed,
focus-group approved phrases that plain talk makes people nervous.
Perhaps he's a closet Mussolini.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 05, 2016 11:06 AM (kKHcp)

I don't really think that is enough to explain his approval of the Chinese government for the Tienanmen Square Massacre. No good person, business man or not, would have the reaction Trump did.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 05, 2016 11:12 AM (NPofj)

409 I don't really think that is enough to explain his approval of the Chinese government for the Tienanmen Square Massacre. No good person, business man or not, would have the reaction Trump did.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 05, 2016 11:12 AM (NPofj)

fair enough.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 05, 2016 11:13 AM (kKHcp)

410 42

Truman was a hardcore socialist just like FDR and he had a lot of ties to the corrupt Pendergast machine back in Kansas.
He gets no kudos form me.


Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 05, 2016 07:59 AM (t2KH5)
-----The Pendergast machine was in Missouri and based in Kansas City, MO.

Posted by: jbarntt at March 05, 2016 11:15 AM (hZo0w)

411 So here's the plan: I fall down on stage, suddenly blinded, and get up claiming miraculous conversion! It'll grab those fundie rubes by the balls and secure 100% of the handicap vote!

Praise Jesus!

Posted by: Teh Donald at March 05, 2016 11:17 AM (Dttnn)

412 The problems were the High Command and their Strategy of defense. They
dried to defend everything. What happens when you try that?



You lose everything.



On top of a losing strategy they one thing wrong and it was the worst thing they could ever do.



They trusted the French.



Game over?
================

It takes a while to develop a comprehensive national defense doctrine. After the Molotov-Ribbentrop non-aggression pact was signed on August 23, 1939, the Poles were surrounded by enemies. Hitler launched his attack against Poland on September 1 (some accounts state that the original attack date was August 25).
Poland had to defend everything.

Posted by: mrp at March 05, 2016 11:19 AM (JBggj)

413 Posted by: mindful webworker at March 05, 2016 10:12 AM (j+h+K)

Somewhat like you allude to, I believe but still need help in the disbelief department, that said:

Prayers up.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 05, 2016 11:19 AM (wYnyS)

414 From what I remember it took the Nazi a little more time than they thought to find enough bodies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at March 05, 2016 11:23 AM (WVsWD)

415 Of course, the other way to interpret this result is to conclude that
the checks and balances are fine, but Republicans and Democrats are all
in cahoots and all want the same thing. If you believe this, then you
want an authoritarian-minded president who will just set everything
right, and after all, his authoritarianism can't do *too* much damage,
because Congress really does have the power to check an out-of-control
executive branch, it has just recently chosen not to use that power.

====================

False premise. Not "all" Republicans are in cahoots with the Democrats. We've seen a fair amount of rhetoric from the leadership, especially in the House, that in order to prevent a "shutdown", the leaders would force a particular piece of legislation through the House with a minority of the Republican vote, depending on a plurality of Dem help to win their way.

Nor do I want any kind of authoritarian-minded president to "set everything right", that's a surprisingly weak strawman argument you've been making for quite some time. I'm quite happy with messy warfare between between the branches. Things I don't like won't get done, even if it means other things I DO like dont't get done, either. In any case, I'd rather have the will of the people expressed through their elected representatives than by executive branch fiat.

Voter turnout would be higher, too.

Posted by: mrp at March 05, 2016 11:29 AM (JBggj)

416 Republican turnout has already been much higher than D's as was predicted before the first vote taken.

Posted by: Skip at March 05, 2016 11:45 AM (fizMZ)

417 Thanks for your thoughtful post, MWW. I'm just reading it now-11:53 a.m EST Your wife sounds like a wonderful woman and I will keep her in prayer.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 05, 2016 11:52 AM (w4NZ8)

418 Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 05, 2016 11:06 AM (kKHcp)

I don't really think that is enough to explain his approval of the Chinese government for the Tienanmen Square Massacre. No good person, business man or not, would have the reaction Trump did.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 05, 2016 11:12 AM (NP

You mean, like George Bush?

Posted by: eman at March 05, 2016 01:05 PM (Ahbpx)

419 I think Cruz is able to beat Hillary, but only because she's such a horrible candidate with real legal problems and we just came off 8 years of Obama.

Any other election, Cruz would be soundly beaten by a pretty generic Democrat. He's ideologically sound but a poor retail politician.



Our timing is fortuitous.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 05, 2016 01:19 PM (rwI+c)

420 It's more the voters not the politician. The LIVs and other assorted idiots wouldn't vote for George Washington.

*****

That in a nutshell is the problem. Over half the country is either misguided or just plain dumb.

Posted by: jazzuscounty at March 05, 2016 01:33 PM (OCdDB)

421
Just got back from voting for Lyin' Ted (or Lyen' Ted as Potatoe Trump spells it).

Trump is +20 in polls over Cruz here. My state has truly gone stupid...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at March 05, 2016 03:16 PM (LtQCz)

422 Mario Rubicuomo gets booed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 05, 2016 07:42 AM (p4UlV)


Yah, but at least he's showing up. Sir Brave Donald couldn't do that. Also, all reports are Rubio is sick, so this is a bit tougher to do. I gotta give the man props for even just being there when he has a legitimate excuse for not.

Posted by: Bill H at March 05, 2016 03:19 PM (pAH7H)

423
Truman was the greatest President of the twentieth century.

Posted by: Levin at March 05, 2016 03:52 PM (iZGeA)

424 Trump should commit to strictly observe all Geneva protocols to which the U.S. is a party, paying special attention to the status of illegal combatants. And appoint Tom Kratman as SecDef.

Posted by: Antonin Scalia RIP, and may God help us at March 05, 2016 06:28 PM (CKGil)

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