Yes, Trump Has Flip-Flopped on Deportations, H1Bs

In the below thread, a commenter claims that Cruz has "flip-flopped" on H1B visas.

That's true. I can't deny it because I don't like lying. Cruz has previously supported more H1B visas; now he's calling for a mortatorium on them, until the labor market tightens and wages increase.

And what about Trump?

People like quoting the Sessions Immigration Plan that's posted on Trump's website, and citing it as if that's Trump's position.

In fact, Trump seems to not have read it -- because in the debates soon following after he posted Sessions' immigration plan on his website, he began talking up how we had to get the "best people" from around the world to work here. That is, we had to give out more H1Bs to high skilled foreign workers.

Don't believe me? How about believing consummate border hawk Mark Krikorian?

This was after the CNBC debate. In that debate, Rubio dissembled (what a shock) on what his actual policy on H1-B tech visas was. Being Jeff Zuckerberg's personal senator, Rubio claimed he was going to be tough on them. In fact, Rubio supports greatly expanding the program.

As usual, Rubio told Republican audiences he was totally gung-ho for enforcement while not sharing with them that he actually supported expanding immigration, green cards, and H1-Bs.

Trump was then asked about this -- and instead of attacking Rubio for his dissembling, he agreed with Rubio that we needed to have more "great people" from around the world working here.

TRUMP ♥ ZUCKERBERG
Rubio's vulnerability on immigration would have been more obvious to viewers if Trump had not, in effect, renounced his own critique of the issue and embraced Rubio's position. Becky Quick offered Trump an ideal opportunity to follow Rubio with his critique of the H-1B program. After all, Trump's own immigration platform calls for the very reforms to H-1B that Rubio falsely claimed he supported.
But exposing Rubio's falsehoods would have required Trump to have actually read his own policy on immigration. He has not. Further proof that he hasn't done so came when Becky Quick asked him about the line in his policy paper that attacks the I-Squared bill by referring to Rubio as "Mark Zuckerberg’s personal senator." Trump's response was "I never said that" and "I have [said] nothing at all critical of him," meaning Zuckerberg. Only later did Quick mention that the criticism appeared on Trump’s own website, though Quick oddly apologized for bringing it up.
Instead, Trump embraced Zuckerberg and echoed the tech billionaire's call to let all foreign STEM graduates stay in the U.S. He went further, essentially renouncing the entire pro-worker portion of his immigration program:

I'm in favor of people coming into this country legally. And you know what? They can have it anyway you want. You can call it visas, you can call it work permits, you can call it anything you want. . . . As far as Mark is concerned, as far as the visas are concerned, if we need people, they have -- it's fine. They have to come into this country legally. We have a country of borders. We have a country of laws. We have to obey the laws. It's fine if they come in, but they have to come in legally.
Thus does Trump embrace the "legal good/illegal bad" perspective on immigration, wherein huge, even unlimited admissions of foreign workers are okay, so long as they’re given a piece of paper on the way in.
This is consistent with leaked excerpts from Trump’s upcoming book, in which he is said to write: "I don't want to stop legal immigration to this country. In fact, I would like to reform and increase immigration in some important ways."
Contrast this with his immigration platform: "Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers."

Not to even mention Trump's flip-flop on self-deportation, which is now (I guess) his position (although, as usual, he's incoherent to the point of babbling on it), but called it "mean" and "maniacal" in 2012.

Republicans didn't have anything going for them with respect to Latinos and with respect to Asians; the Democrats didn't have a policy for dealing with illegal immigrants. What they did have going for them is they weren't mean-spirited about it... Romney had a crazy policy of self-deportation which was maniacal, it sounded as bad as it was. He lost the Latino vote, he lost the Asian vote. He lost anybody who was inspired to come into this country.

Krikorian has this kicker of an ending, dismissing both Rubio and then Trump:

The immigration dove that sounds like a hawk, and the ostensible hawk who turns out to be a dove. I imagine Zuckerberg is pleased.

So has Trump flip-flopped on deportations? Obviously, but it's doubtful he means it; the whole "Big Beautiful Door" thing is as straighforward a signal that you could hope to have that he's not serious about deporting anyone.

And on H1-B's -- I'm not even sure he flip-flopped. Per his own pronouncements -- putting to one side the Sessions immigration plan he's never read -- he's still a huge fan of bringing in all the "great people" from around the world on H1-B's or "whatever you want to call it."

So it might be more accurate to say Donald Trump has never flip-flopped on this issue -- he still holds the same "let as many legal immigrants in as possible" position he always held. I've never heard him actually argue for the Sessions limitations on H1-Bs.

But that might not be the defense that Trump supporter wishes to mount.

So yeah I'll be a man, and I'll do what men do -- tell the truth, and not tell stupid little lies like children and 7th grade girls.

I'll admit that Cruz has filp-flopped on H1-B's -- and now has the right position on them.

But don't come at me like a shill and a hack and tell me that Donald Trump has not flip-flopped on this. The pixels on his website were still wet when he went out and contradicted all of Sessions' immigration plan on H1-Bs. He still talks the exact same way.

Update: Michelle Malkin was the one who introduced me to the Disney train-your-replacement H1-B scandal.

She was, at least in October, unimpressed by Trump's "double talk" on the issue.

Which is why I urged caution/skepticism of double-talking Trump all along. https://t.co/YDRuLb69YS
— Michelle Malkin (@michellemalkin) October 29, 2015

Posted by: Ace at 03:22 PM

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1 Another BOLD thread.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 03:23 PM (WVsWD)

2

End

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 03:23 PM (WVsWD)

3 The Italicans are coming!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 29, 2016 03:23 PM (bzd8I)

4 trifecta?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 03:24 PM (WVsWD)

Posted by: Mr Wizard at February 29, 2016 03:24 PM (X/2ij)

6 Way to make your case against Trump boldly, Ace

Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 03:24 PM (2x3L+)

7 The used to be bold Italicans. They lost their spirit for the fight though.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 03:24 PM (WVsWD)

8 switches in the comments don't work on the post

Posted by: Mr Wizard at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (X/2ij)

9 It wouldn't be AOSHQ if the content didn't have messed up formatting.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (KUaJL)

10 yes then....my #5

Posted by: Mr Wizard at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (X/2ij)

11 Why are you talking to Trumpkins like they understand reason, evidence or facts. They got FEELLSSSSS!!!!!

Posted by: Nick at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (DKHw0)

12 In-barrel-ception.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (4/i9Y)

13 he began talking up how we had to get the "best people" from around the world to work here.

I'm fine with this in principle, its a great idea to attract the best and brightest to a country. The question is how and why? It ought never be at the expense of citizen workers, it should be in addition to and to assist them in achieving even greater things.

To me, the secret is in immigration rules and enforcement. We need to make sure the rules heavily encourage the best and brightest to get through faster and easier, while making it much harder for no skill troublemakers to get in. That's the right approach.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (39g3+)

14 Be bold, be bold, but be not too bold.

Posted by: The Faerie Queene at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (evdj2)

15 The man has no convictions you can nail down, I'm thinking any opinion you can find someone can find something different.

Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 03:26 PM (fizMZ)

16 My eyes! My eyes!

Posted by: Badda Bing at February 29, 2016 03:26 PM (gxIP7)

17 15 you pull his right arm and see which three fruits line up

Posted by: Mr Wizard at February 29, 2016 03:27 PM (X/2ij)

18 TIME Reporter Choke-Slammed to the Ground at Trump Rally by Secret Service Officer

http://tinyurl.com/htorlad

Just warms the cold, knife-edged interior of my conservative heart.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 03:27 PM (39g3+)

19 The bold type is for those who just read the cliff notes.

Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 03:28 PM (fizMZ)

20 Congratulations, Ace! O didn't know you were a Jeb supporter, too!

Of course, I didn't"t know I was one either 'til that Trumpkinhead last thread 'splained it to me.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 03:28 PM (Kucy5)

21 So yeah I'll be a man, and I'll do what men do -- tell the truth, and not tell stupid little lies like children and 7th grade girls.

Yeah, those 7th grade girls are the worst. And not just the lying; it's the pointing and laughing, too.

Wait, what were we talking about?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 29, 2016 03:29 PM (R+30W)

22 I think that we need to take the view that Trump isn't using the Art of the Deal for any sort of policy goal, but in order to gain the White House.

Who is he negotiating with? It's not a Democratic Congress. It's not a RINO leadership. It's not George Soros.

It's the Republican Party.

He's using the Art of the Deal on those who have felt disaffected in order to convince them to vote for him. As soon as he has their votes for the nomination, he'll drop it all.

This isn't about policy. It's about votes.

He's playing his supporters and no one else.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 03:30 PM (rJSDb)

23

We know Trump favors importing who he wants. Most businesses do. He's a businessman.

Bringing in highly skilled professionals, like the country has always done has helped the country.

But, things can change, or there can be a pause for current economic conditions, or even because stopping it dead in it's tracks can stop bad people from slipping in. (of course this happens with "students" to universities - the ultimate easy in to our country).

So for both of them. I have no idea. This is a horrible climate of fear of illegals and terrorists, and economic failure.

If we just followed the laws we had, and tightened up immigration policy... haha

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (qCMvj)

24 I have been treated very very very very very very...very unfairly in this post. its full of Yuuuuuuge lies! can we make a deal here?

Posted by: Trumpnado at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (gxIP7)

25 What? I get no h/t?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, submariner at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (3dOE/)

26 "He's playing his supporters and no one else."

So this is a one time shot? The guy is what almost 70? Not considering re election chances at all?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (WVsWD)

27 20 Congratulations, Ace! O didn't know you were a Jeb supporter, too!

Of course, I didn't"t know I was one either 'til that Trumpkinhead last thread 'splained it to me.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 03:28 PM (Kucy5)

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Even now, with Jeb gone from the race, all who disapprove of Trump must be secret Jeb supporters. Even with an avowed backing for Cruz...it's all a lie.

or something.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (rJSDb)

28 I fully expect Trump to be a one term President. However, the issue of immigration has arrived. The population of Africa will double by 2050 and all of them will want to head to Western nations. This is it. This is when Western Civilization decides to live or commit suicide. This is a sea change.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (mKAPw)

29 You're the only one who can save us now SMOD!

Posted by: The Tinfoil Hat Crowd at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (7FH+T)

30 Cruz was just on Shep laughing about Trump's rumored position against H1B visa's. He pointed out that just last week Trump was fined for hiring hospitality employees for a Florida hotel, claiming no American wanted the job when hundreds of experienced American hotel workers were turned away in the interview process. Too costly.

Trump loves him some foreign H1B workers.

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (TxJGV)

31 It will all be over Wednesday morning, thank goodness.

Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at February 29, 2016 03:32 PM (TFWFz)

32 "Big beautiful door"

*******

Oh! I thought he was talking about my ass when he said that!

Posted by: President Kim Kardashian Yeezy typing through the spacetime continuum at February 29, 2016 03:32 PM (mcm0N)

33 >>So it might be more accurate to say Donald Trump has never flip-flopped on this issue -- he still holds the same "let as many legal immigrants in as possible" position he always held. I've never heard him actually argue for the Sessions limitations on H1-Bs.

I apologize for saying Trump has flip-flopped on EVERY issue.

Posted by: DONALD TRUMP at February 29, 2016 03:32 PM (TJCSB)

34 26 "He's playing his supporters and no one else."

So this is a one time shot? The guy is what almost 70? Not considering re election chances at all?
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (WVsWD)

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Or maybe he knows the power of incumbency and doesn't need to worry about immigration as an issue past 2016.

Maybe he's not that smart.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 03:32 PM (rJSDb)

35
As much as I am pulling for Ted Cruz, I have a feeling we are on the Donald Trump crazy train all the way.

And all I will say is, he better not waver one iota on what he has promised and what he claims to be.

He had better not.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:34 PM (zLP1L)

36 http://hotgas.net/2016/02/breaking-jeff-sessions-to-endorse-trump/

Let me just leave this here, because people keep forgetting! Jeff Sessions knows all of this, and is partners with Ted Cruz in the Senate- yet still endorsed Trump. There's nothing else needed- the campaign just ended for Ted Cruz.

Posted by: trev006 at February 29, 2016 03:34 PM (MEHba)

37 To me, the secret is in immigration rules and enforcement. We need to make sure the rules heavily encourage the best and brightest to get through faster and easier, while making it much harder for no skill troublemakers to get in. That's the right approach.

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Seems reasonable to me. I suspect we are in the minority.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:35 PM (gmeXX)

38 Trump was fined for hiring hospitality employees for a Florida hotel,
claiming no American wanted the job when hundreds of experienced
American hotel workers were turned away in the interview process. Too
costly.
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He dicked over SEIU goons?

Gee, darn, that sure changes my mind about him.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 29, 2016 03:35 PM (ZbV+0)

39 Cruz had all of four years of private sector experience. Rubio has had none.

Cruz is a brilliant academic and attorney. He's an intellectual. Rubio probably couldn't get an interview with a Cruz firm.

And Kasich is nowhere.

Romney in the wings is an interesting development.

Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 03:35 PM (1D4w/)

40 Damn sock.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 03:35 PM (TJCSB)

41 Well, for my part, I'm managing my expectations about a Trump presidency.

Dude's good enough for Jeff Sessions though.

Posted by: Hawkins Aquinas (new name) at February 29, 2016 03:35 PM (TZYqp)

42 35
As much as I am pulling for Ted Cruz, I have a feeling we are on the Donald Trump crazy train all the way.

And all I will say is, he better not waver one iota on what he has promised and what he claims to be.

He had better not.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:34 PM (zLP1L)

============

He's already told you he will. It's the Art of the Deal. Start with a position that you have no intention of gaining and work down from there.

So, even if he's talking about actual policy...he's promising to sell out his supporters.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 03:35 PM (rJSDb)

43 The stench of fear and desperation permeates center right websites today!!!!1!!!!

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 03:36 PM (mKAPw)

44 36 There's nothing else needed- the campaign just ended for Ted Cruz.
Posted by: trev006 at February 29, 2016 03:34 PM (MEHba)

All over by the shouting. And the trivial formality of the, what are they? Oh yes, the actual primary elections in the other 46 states.

Let's wait and see, m'kay?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:36 PM (zLP1L)

45 I'm the least qualified man here tonight!

Posted by: Joey Choo Choo Biden at February 29, 2016 03:36 PM (TxJGV)

46 Dude's good enough for Jeff Sessions though.
Posted by: Hawkins Aquinas (new name) at February 29, 2016 03:35 PM (TZYqp)

Yup

Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (TFWFz)

47 I so love love love that Clarence Thomas has asked a question for the first time in 10 years during a case, and liberals are losing their ever loving minds.

Calling him a dog free of its leash now that Scalia is dead is a real gem.

Yay for Thomas trying to protect the constitution and asking a brilliant question.

Posted by: LizLem at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (hvf9s)

48 So, even if he's talking about actual policy...he's promising to sell out his supporters.
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We've been voting for the GOP for decades. We're used to it.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (ZbV+0)

49 If Rubio had something like hey, I had no idea how corrupt DC is and I thought we were all negotiating in good faith. I won't make that mistake again. Also, the way this president has thrown the borders open has changed everything. He would be the hands down favorite now. But he didn't.

Yeah I know it's messed up grammar. I'm too lazy to go back and fix it. Sue me.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (kTF2Z)

50 I never flip-flopped on H1B visas.

Not once.

Posted by: Mike Flynn at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (BHaRb)

51 John Hinderaker is wondering if Trump is a Democrat plant after his Bill C. meeting just before his presidential campaign announcement and a few other decisions.

Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (fizMZ)

52 28 I fully expect Trump to be a one term President. However, the issue of immigration has arrived. The population of Africa will double by 2050 and all of them will want to head to Western nations. This is it. This is when Western Civilization decides to live or commit suicide. This is a sea change.
Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (mKAPw)
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Posted by: AoS Welcome Desk Volunteer at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (kXzR8)

53 so, they are ALL immigration squishes?
ha!

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (lVU49)

54 Just gonna comment on my beliefs w/o getting into the Cruz/Trump/Rubio debate.

As little as 1 year ago, I to believed in the "More Legal Immigrants is Good" idea. More skilled workers was a great thing!

And you know it, in normal times it very well might be. But then Paris happened and then the President, and many Republicans, started pushing this idea we HAD to accept Syrian refugees (who would also be "legal). And it was then I rethought my position.

With ISIS being such a rampant problem and Muslim jihad being such a rampant problem, immigration, both illegal and legal, need to be restricted. Greatly.

Not using this to excuse Cruz or Rubio, just giving my own personal feelings on the issue. They've changed over the last year or so.

Posted by: Rich at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (MIdlN)

55 44
Let's wait and see, m'kay?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:36 PM (zLP1L)

Looking forward to it!

In a few weeks, holding Trump below 35% is going to be the good old days.

Posted by: trev006 at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (MEHba)

56 I left the last thread thinking this was going to be the feel-good thread.

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (Fmupd)

57 And all I will say is, he better not waver one iota on what he has promised and what he claims to be.

He had better not.

Or what? You'll put on a tricorner hat and hold up a Gadsden flag? What will we do if betrayed again. What will we do if the system crushes our votes? What?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (39g3+)

58 I'm the least qualified man here tonight!
Posted by: Joey Choo Choo Biden at February 29, 2016 03:36 PM (TxJGV)

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But I will be the Dem nominee. Did you see me last night? Hollywood loves me. And they basically took a pledge against the Clintons too.

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (gmeXX)

59 Great.
Have him take on Cruz as VP and impeach the cocksucker as soon as he proves to be a liar.

But of course, the Senate wants Amnesty...

Posted by: TexasJew at February 29, 2016 03:38 PM (fNQ3H)

60 So we can't trust Trump. Apparently we can't trust Cruz either. Bottom line is, there's nobody.

Actually, the bottom line is that there is no bottom line. Just a void that we're falling into.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 29, 2016 03:38 PM (/f6Nd)

61 39 Cruz had all of four years of private sector experience. Rubio has had none.

Cruz is a brilliant academic and attorney. He's an intellectual. Rubio probably couldn't get an interview with a Cruz firm.

And Kasich is nowhere.

Romney in the wings is an interesting development.
Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 03:35 PM (1D4w/)

It's not necessarily about experience. A mobbed up con artist land hustler is not my idea of experienced. I'm more interested in temperament and beliefs.

I'll leave it at that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:38 PM (zLP1L)

62 and yet without Trump, there wouldn't even be a conversation.

Posted by: x at February 29, 2016 03:38 PM (nFwvY)

63 There are a lot of people in this country who want better jobs. (I'm one of them.) Instead of bringing in foreign people to do these better jobs, why can't we train the workers we have? I know, I know, a rhetorical question--because, thanks to Democrats, benefits, retirement, health care et al are far more expensive for Americans than for foreigners. And the Democrats have taught businesses that if they want to keep their profits, they need to hide them as best they can.

Good God, just let it all end now. There's no fixing this. Bring in SMOD.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 29, 2016 03:39 PM (AroJD)

64 48 So, even if he's talking about actual policy...he's promising to sell out his supporters.
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We've been voting for the GOP for decades. We're used to it.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (ZbV+0)

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So...Trump's supporters will go with someone they know will sell them out on their single most important issue while also being against them in almost every other way.

Win for conservatism?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 03:39 PM (rJSDb)

65 Hey Ace, why do you always change the subject from me to Trump?

Posted by: Melissa Harris Perry at February 29, 2016 03:39 PM (Z+58j)

66 Letting in unskilled H-2B's is just dumb. These people will surely use more in government services than they pay in taxes. Letting in highly educated, skilled H-1B's may hurt the people they are competing against, but those people will pay more in taxes than they use in services. If we restrict them, we are shooting ourselves in the foot. In particular, right now we have the best university system in the world, very much due to the fact that our universities hire the best researchers in the world, many through the H-1B program. (And most professors are not professors of gender studies .... We get a lot out of having the best hard science departments in the world.)

Posted by: Chris not Rock at February 29, 2016 03:39 PM (dX5s2)

67 With as many debates as we have had, I am amazed at the posters who think they are going to convince other people to support their candidate by simply yelling more loudly at them. Hey, guess what, I have been paying attention and your guy did not set my hair on fire like he obviously did for you. Maybe he (or she) is not all that and a bag of chips.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at February 29, 2016 03:39 PM (ygh6Q)

68 Trump was fined for hiring hospitality employees for a Florida hotel, claiming no American wanted the job when hundreds of experienced American hotel workers were turned away in the interview process. Too costly.

They were part time seasonal employment positions. Waiters, waitresses in a facility that prohibits tipping. No benefits like health insurance at all.

Just the other side of the story.

Posted by: mega machines at February 29, 2016 03:39 PM (fbovC)

69 62
and yet without Trump, there wouldn't even be a conversation.

Posted by: x at February 29, 2016 03:38 PM (nFwvY)
Oh that's not even true.
Rubio got the conversation started with his Gang of 8 bill.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 03:40 PM (lVU49)

70 As much as I am pulling for Ted Cruz, I have a feeling we are on the Donald Trump crazy train all the way.

And all I will say is, he better not waver one iota on what he has promised and what he claims to be.

He had better not.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:34 PM (zLP1L)

He will. I'm a Trump supporter and I know he will, but it doesn't matter. It's about changing everything. Rip the whole war/immigration/offshoring ideology of the GOP apart, down to the ground, and drive those support it to the Democrats.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 03:40 PM (mKAPw)

71 55 44
Let's wait and see, m'kay?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:36 PM (zLP1L)

Looking forward to it! In a few weeks, holding Trump below 35% is going to be the good old days.
Posted by: trev006 at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (MEHba

As I stated before, Trump may very well win it all. But it will be interesting to see the number of commenters who magically disappear the day of the Rose Garden signing ceremony when 11-20 million illegals are now fully fledged citizens of this republic.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:40 PM (zLP1L)

72 30
Cruz was just on Shep laughing about Trump's rumored position against H1B visa's. He pointed out that just last week Trump was fined for hiring hospitality employees for a Florida hotel, claiming no American wanted the job when hundreds of experienced American hotel workers were turned away in the interview process. Too costly.

Trump loves him some foreign H1B workers.

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (TxJGV)

Those are seasonal H2B workers, FYI.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, submariner at February 29, 2016 03:40 PM (3dOE/)

73 47 I so love love love that Clarence Thomas has asked a question for the first time in 10 years during a case, and liberals are losing their ever loving minds.

Calling him a dog free of its leash now that Scalia is dead is a real gem.

Yay for Thomas trying to protect the constitution and asking a brilliant question.

Posted by: LizLem at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (hvf9s)

Yep yep. Might end up filling the void quite nicely.

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 29, 2016 03:40 PM (mEZce)

74 I don't mind Cruz at all, and would vote for him in a heartbeat. Not that I think he would have what it takes to appeal in the general, poor guy seems about as charismatic as a tire. I also don't think he'd have the guts or firepower to fight back against the entirety of the press shilling for Herstory. It's a shame.

Ace's posts notwithstanding (he's been respectful of Trump supporters if not a fan of the man himself), I will say that the vitriol I've seen towards Trump supporters in the last month has been about enough to turn me off voting completely. I know, I know, concern troll and all that. But it really, really makes me think twice about throwing support behind anyone after seeing Trump supporters being called ignorant, sycophant, KKK, etc.

Someone in the last thread, apologies I forget who, said it best when they said the real choice is who we gets to lie to us this time around. it's also interesting to see so many conservative media types come damn close to being SJW's over all this and using SJW tactics against fellow conservatives. Great, that makes me want to fall in line behind Rubio or Cruz; I at least know that if I do the outrage police might choose to not call me a Nazi. What a wonderful time to be alive.

Posted by: Alex #11 at February 29, 2016 03:40 PM (EUMt/)

75 It just defies any sort of reason or deal making ability to totally shit all over THE icon of America First--Jeff Sessions.

Trump has to keep his deal with Sessions...whether he wants to or intends to keep the deal is inconsequential.
The deal with Sessions is a contract and Trump has far more to lose by screwing Sessions than he does by going through with the agreed-on deal to build the wall,etc.

The Sessions endorsement was YUUUUUUUGE.

Posted by: Malignantly aggrieved and Economically useless at February 29, 2016 03:40 PM (3ZttN)

76
why do you always change the subject from me to Trump?
Posted by: Melissa Harris Perry

Must be a stormfronter. The only possible explanation.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 29, 2016 03:41 PM (FkBIv)

77 If Rubio had something like hey, I had no idea how corrupt DC is and I
thought we were all negotiating in good faith. I won't make that mistake
again. Also, the way this president has thrown the borders open has
changed everything. He would be the hands down favorite now.
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Except, if the blogger from Florida I read knows what he's talking about, Rubio's as corrupt as they come. I suspect we'll hear about it if he ever becomes a viable candidate.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 29, 2016 03:41 PM (ZbV+0)

78 70 He will. I'm a Trump supporter and I know he will, but it doesn't matter. It's about changing everything. Rip the whole war/immigration/offshoring ideology of the GOP apart, down to the ground, and drive those support it to the Democrats.
Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 03:40 PM (mKAPw)

Say, what?! You make less sense than MUMR.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:41 PM (zLP1L)

79 Stephen Miller, a former aide to Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama, on Cruz and Rubio (Cruzio). Flip sides of the same globalist coin.

Read this:

"Trump Senior Policy Adviser Stephen Miller: The Moment Ted Cruz Threw in with the Globalists" - By Diana West

Listen to this:

"MUST LISTEN: Stephen Miller Makes Case Against Marco Rubio in Epic Rant" - Breitbart

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 03:41 PM (TcGpp)

80 I have full confidence that whichever SOB is eventually elected, s/he will not blink, pause, or feel at all badly about all of the baldface lies s/he told on the way to said election.

Posted by: the Butcher at February 29, 2016 03:41 PM (AGJqR)

81 65 Hey Ace, why do you always change the subject from me to Trump?
Posted by: Melissa Harris Perry at February 29, 2016 03:39 PM (Z+58j)

==============

Racism and Sexism combined!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 03:41 PM (rJSDb)

82 "Bring in SMOD."

Nope. Keep SMOD to yourself please. I plan on going out kicking and screaming. You can cower and wait for a rock to hit you on the head.

I'll pass.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 03:41 PM (WVsWD)

83 I would like a candidate who is conservative, charismatic, and articulate. We don't have any of those so I'll go with the least bad option. I live in IL so it probably doesn't matter anyway.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 03:41 PM (kTF2Z)

84 I would recommend one feel good thread every evening, just like the local news has the good deeds of the day, or a lost dog found miles away story.

Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 03:41 PM (fizMZ)

85 yeah I remember when the Disney worker training their replacement news confronted Cruz and Trump, on the H-1B thing, they both said America workers have to come first. Of course that was always the alleged standard that never really gets enforced.

And both are right that STEM workers could be great to keep America growing, but only if Americans come first. So they are the same on that issue, really.

Cruz was a little slower on actually building the wall. Who will get elected and beat Hillary is the bigger issue. Guys like Giuliani are certain Cruz is way too stridently right. Most of the Senate seems to agree. The polls also agree.

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 29, 2016 03:41 PM (eUbDe)

86
I don't really criticize anybody voting for trump, as long as they don't pretend he is a conservative or has a firm position on anything at all.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 29, 2016 03:41 PM (ODxAs)

87 >>>62 and yet without Trump, there wouldn't even be a conversation.

yes... but, Trump, having opened the Overton Window on this issue nevertheless refuses to crawl through it himself, and is still peddling a very establishment-friendly "we need lots of 'great people'" line.

a lot of Trump's supporters seem to talk as if Trump has called for a pause in legal immigration. Not only has he not done that, he calls for his book for *increased* legal immigration.

Trump is not actually advocating the dramatic policy changes a lot of his supporters claim (or believe) he's advocating.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 03:42 PM (dciA+)

88 Old and busted: Trump is an incurious ignoramus who has not even the germ of a clue surrounding the basics of policy

New and Improved: Trump knows exactly what he's doing and it should terrify anyone who thinks he/she is a conservative.

The laughs never end.

Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at February 29, 2016 03:42 PM (TFWFz)

89 This Republican Primary brings a little Ditti to mind:

suicide is painless
it brings on many changes

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 03:42 PM (mw8Dm)

90 As I stated before, Trump may very well win it all. But it will be interesting to see the number of commenters who magically disappear the day of the Rose Garden signing ceremony when 11-20 million illegals are now fully fledged citizens of this republic.

---------

At least we will have a union-built unfinished wall that we paid 10 times for to friends of Trump. We got our wall, the country will get screwed.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:42 PM (gmeXX)

91 I don't want to stop legal immigration to this country. In fact, I would like to reform and increase immigration in some important ways.

We are already letting in more legal immigrants than the rest of the Western World combined. We let in on the average of 1.1M immigrants every year. And almost all of them come from third world shit-holes. We don't need any more.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 29, 2016 03:42 PM (t2KH5)

92 I say we limit all immigration to geniuses only, with a proven work record.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 03:42 PM (TJCSB)

93 So...Trump's supporters will go with someone they know will sell them out on their single most important issue while also being against them in almost every other way.

As opposed to going GOPe and getting the same?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:42 PM (+058L)

94 Hey Ace, why do you always change the subject from me to Trump?

Posted by: Melissa Harris Perry

Because you never call him back when he tries to ask you out, you heartless bitch.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 29, 2016 03:42 PM (YJmuy)

95 We need something other than these broken records that keep showing up.

Tiresome. From both sides.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 03:42 PM (WVsWD)

96 "Jeff Sessions knows all of this, and is partners with Ted Cruz in the Senate- yet still endorsed Trump. There's nothing else needed- the campaign just ended for Ted Cruz.
Posted by: trev006 at February 29, 2016 03:34 PM (MEHba)"

Screw that. Some politician doesn't get to end our primary.

"He dicked over SEIU goons?

Gee, darn, that sure changes my mind about him.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 29, 2016 03:35 PM (ZbV+0)"

He employed illegals, and defended it because Americans don't want the jobs (at the wages Trump could pay illegals under the table). This is your guy because some of the Americans who went jobless have the wrong politics? Good luck with that.

Posted by: Dustin at February 29, 2016 03:42 PM (a7sQX)

97 SMOD already hit on on the head, this is just the last season of LOST

Posted by: SarahW at February 29, 2016 03:43 PM (3fTXW)

98 It was obvious Trump isn't serious about illegals when his only proposal is to build a wall, the wall is a placebo for the masses, it's what pols say to make it look like they're doing something, the pols know that even if a wall is built they'll still be the ones in charge of it and they'll still let illegals flow across because that's what their corporate masters want. The pol that says he'll go after the corporate whores hiring the illegals is the pol that's serious about cracking down on illegals, everything else is bullshit.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at February 29, 2016 03:43 PM (yos+4)

99 We love this chaos. We really do.

Posted by: The Left at February 29, 2016 03:43 PM (Fmupd)

100 Letting in unskilled H-2B's is just dumb.

Well, it used to work really well in the past, with seasonal workers coming north to work in fields, summer jobs in resorts, etc, then going back home when the season ended with their cash.

It wasn't until states started encouraging these people to stay and banking was set up making it easy and cheap to send money back home that they began to really stay so much. Those are the places to address.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 03:43 PM (39g3+)

101 "Because it's my nature."

-Scorpion King Trump (SKT) *TM

Posted by: OneIronMacGuffin at February 29, 2016 03:43 PM (NjX7M)

102 87 Trump is not actually advocating the dramatic policy changes a lot of his supporters claim (or believe) he's advocating.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 03:42 PM (dciA+)

Forget it, Ace. True believers gotta true believe.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:43 PM (zLP1L)

103 93 So...Trump's supporters will go with someone they know will sell them out on their single most important issue while also being against them in almost every other way.

As opposed to going GOPe and getting the same?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:42 PM (+058L)

==============

There's a man in the race. His name is Ted Cruz.

You might want to look him up.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 03:43 PM (rJSDb)

104 when TDS comes up around me, I start talking about HRC's criminality and how Bernie must be just heartsick about Venezuela

then comes this awkward silence from the TDSers

Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 03:44 PM (1D4w/)

105 At least we will have a union-built unfinished wall that we paid 10 times for to friends of Trump. We got our wall, the country will get screwed.

As opposed to getting a GOPe or Dem and no wall. Just like the last 30 years worth.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:44 PM (+058L)

106 that's it: i'm voting for Bernie.

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 29, 2016 03:44 PM (ISW4H)

107 >>>It's about changing everything. Rip the whole war/immigration/offshoring ideology of the GOP apart, down to the ground, and drive those support it to the Democrats.

i can get behind that -- but that is not trump's position.

as i keep saying, Cruz's position is much more hardline than Trump's.

yes, Trump showed people the way -- but then Trump refused to go there himself.

Cruz went there. Trump is still talking up expanding legal immigration to get all these "great people" into our country.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 03:44 PM (dciA+)

108 He will. I'm a Trump supporter and I know he will, but it doesn't matter. It's about changing everything. Rip the whole war/immigration/offshoring ideology of the GOP apart, down to the ground, and drive those support it to the Democrats.
Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 03:40 PM (mKAPw)

and there it is... SMH

Posted by: spypeach at February 29, 2016 03:44 PM (nyYhO)

109 Oh geesh, the newest version of Ace hating prescient is back. I knew this would happen. When does Amish 2.0 show up?

Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 03:45 PM (2x3L+)

110 62 and yet without Trump, there wouldn't even be a conversation.
-----------------------------------------------

Trump is an outstanding politician, no question about that. He figured out what it would take to split the party and draw in blue collar Democrats.

The GOPe should learn from him, no matter what happens. The last election was so cringeworthy terrible that it alone should embarrass the GOPe enough to want to change. Unfortunately, they didn't earn the name "stupid party" by fucking accident. Even today , there are idiots out there pining for Romney v 2.0

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 03:45 PM (TxJGV)

111 Unlimited technology and we're driving around in a Ford POS

Posted by: J at February 29, 2016 03:45 PM (gs8be)

112 106 At least we will have a union-built unfinished wall that we paid 10 times for to friends of Trump. We got our wall, the country will get screwed.

As opposed to getting a GOPe or Dem and no wall. Just like the last 30 years worth.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:44 PM (+058L)

The Trump wall will be a scenic flat that Senor Kool Aid smashes through. "Oh yeah!!!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:45 PM (zLP1L)

113 He employed illegals, and defended it because Americans don't want the jobs (at the wages Trump could pay illegals under the table). This is your guy because some of the Americans who went jobless have the wrong politics? Good luck with that.

Where was these people employed?

Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at February 29, 2016 03:45 PM (TFWFz)

114 71 But it will be interesting to see the number of commenters who magically disappear the day of the Rose Garden signing ceremony when 11-20 million illegals are now fully fledged citizens of this republic.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:40 PM (zLP1L)

It's about changing everything. Rip the whole war/immigration/offshoring ideology of the GOP apart, down to the ground, and drive those support it to the Democrats.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 03:40 PM (mKAPw)

Just going to put these up side by side. You might be right, Mr. Sefton, but it's at least as likely that Donald Trump will drive the worthless jackals on think-tank welfare into the streets to starve. They've done him no favors, and you'll be the first to admit he tends to go for payback. That's going to be a pretty cheery day for me, even assuming you're right.

Quick question: will the cucking of the GOPe increase or decrease the likelihood of amnesty?

Posted by: trev006 at February 29, 2016 03:45 PM (MEHba)

115 So now all flip flops are lies (Re: Cruz)? Or is the Cruz moratorium the responsible thing to do, not a flip flop? I read 180 day 'investigation' of H1B's when I was on his website.

Posted by: Ed at February 29, 2016 03:45 PM (4S8l8)

116 Let It Burn sounds great. It's dangerous, sexy. It's a compelling idea.

As a reality it's hiding out for three weeks with no power and then having to decide whether to kill a teenage boy who came across your cache rather than let him run off and potentially come back with two dozen of his buddies to rape murder and steal from you and your family. Sound overblown? Who's King Phillip?

Down with the GOPE sounds great. It's a bad boy idea that will gain you cred with the left and the right.

It's going to mean voting Donald Trump into the white house and forging an alliance with the very disaffected millenials currently flocking to Bernie. There's going to be compromise involved. If we can defend and enforce American citizenship and resuscitate the economy without succumbing to foreign arms during the term of the next president I will be willing to cede ground on any topic. Any of them.

Do you have the stomach for the task ahead of us? Do you think this ends in November? Who exactly is acting on emotion here?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:45 PM (xuouz)

117 You'll be a man? Hardly. The title of this post mentions nothing about Cruz, only Trump. Weak.

Posted by: fdarnc at February 29, 2016 03:45 PM (fG412)

118 Disgusts me to see a Navy Seal on stage with Fredo

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 03:45 PM (mw8Dm)

119 I don't know the numbers but would bet more illegals get here by other means than walking across the boarder.

Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 03:45 PM (fizMZ)

120 SUPPORT MY CANDIDATE OR YOURE A STUPID MEANY HEAD.

Wait, I don't have a candidate. Nevermind. Carry on with the flame war which will change exactly zero minds.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 03:45 PM (kTF2Z)

121 Oh that's not even true.
Rubio got the conversation started with his Gang of 8 bill.
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16

And RMS Titanic got the conversation started on the number of lifeboats.

Posted by: Blue Hen at February 29, 2016 03:46 PM (326rv)

122 Also for little Rubio and his attack on Trump U:

"Marco Rubio's Attack On Trump Backfires With Corinthian Colleges Story"

"But soon after Rubio's attack on Trump U, reporters began reminding people on social media that Senator Rubio had his own for-profit education scandal-one that not only involved fraud but a possible abuse of official power.

Federal loan gravy train - No show job for he and his wife. Just the usual crimes and corruptions of your typical politician.

But Rush says little Rubio is a full-throated conservative. Yeah, that's a laugh.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 03:46 PM (TcGpp)

123 It was obvious Trump isn't serious about illegals when his only proposal is to build a wall, the wall is a placebo for the masses, it's what pols say to make it look like they're doing something, the pols know that even if a wall is built they'll still be the ones in charge of it and they'll still let illegals flow across because that's what their corporate masters want. The pol that says he'll go after the corporate whores hiring the illegals is the pol that's serious about cracking down on illegals, everything else is bullshit.

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Honestly, this is my big fear with Trump. A half-built wall will be put up, at the 10 times the cost of what it should have been, to Trump's friends. Along with that some form of backdoor amnesty will be put in place. Trump fans will claim victory - see the Wall. But the Democrats will get the reward.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:46 PM (gmeXX)

124 I think with Trump you get a border wall, and I actually think he'll get Mexico to pay for it. What's so attractive about Trump is that he knows (like Obama) that just having big balls (or unmitigated gall) is often enough to get what you want.

We're in a bad place as a country, and I'm as impatient as anyone to see it turned around. But what troubles me about Trump is that the fix he's offering is an easy one -- just let me take care of it and America will be great. And just like Obama took Bush's executive philosophy and turned it to 11, I see Trump amping it up to a jillionty.

I don't actually fear Trump doing anything nefarious with all this power-- I genuinely believe that for all his bluster and bravado, the guy really does love America and wants to do well -- but I'm not so confident that his version of "well" and mine will very often coincide. And worse, no matter how noble and spectacular a king, there's always a semi-retarded nephew torturing animals in the wings.

We have to dismantle the leviathan. I fear the force of Trump's personal strength -- mostly for better and occasionally for worse -- will set in concrete the executive overreach that we all hate so much from Obama. The machinery of tyranny will be ratcheted several clicks forward.

I like how Cruz speaks of taking the will of the American people to congress -- not simply making deals on our behalf. I don't want a political savior to wipe away 100 years of leftist encroachment in a single swoop -- it's not a fix that can last.

Anything worth doing is going to be hard, and hard-fought. I want my republic back.

Posted by: Bivalve Curious at February 29, 2016 03:46 PM (S35jl)

125 >>>Letting in unskilled H-2B's is just dumb.

Well, it used to work really well in the past, with seasonal workers coming north to work in fields, summer jobs in resorts, etc, then going back home when the season ended with their cash.

...

i don't mind seasonal workers so long as it's really seasonal.

American workers really won't pick up sticks and move to a resort town for the summer to work. because they don't have to.

So you do need some seasonal agricultural and tourism workers.

but I do notice that the maids I see in hotels, I don't just see them at the peak season. I see them year round.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 03:46 PM (dciA+)

126 The Trump wall will be a scenic flat that Senor Kool Aid smashes through. "Oh yeah!!!"

As opposed to the GOPe wall that has been authorized but left unbilt?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:46 PM (+058L)

127 And you see now.

Cuck Ace got his marching orders from the GOPe.

Posted by: prescient13

Thanks, I needed a laugh.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 03:47 PM (TJCSB)

128 So...Trump's supporters will go with someone they know will sell them out on their single most important issue while also being against them in almost every other way.

Win for conservatism?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 03:39 PM (rJSDb)

They're taking a risk, Trump wouldn't be where he is if he was a guaranteed sellout.

His nomination will be a loss for the GOPe, and a win for nationalism.

If conservatism is tied to the GOPe, they can lose too for all I care.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 03:47 PM (uURQL)

129 Full disclosure, I am a Cruz/Trump-leaner. Each one will work for me, in their own ways, as a tool. Not a paragon of moral virtue, or a savior. A political tool to certain end results.

First and foremost, Trump is a brand. It's one thing to produce a shitty product, all companies have done that from time to time (Pepsi Clear), but you have to deliver on your main product (Pepsi).

But if you take a certain position on a political issue, and make that issue/position THE spine of your campaign for President of Uh-Merica, you have to deliver on it to a substantial degree. If you shit the bed on it, or worse, sell it out, your brand is worthless, or worse, actively hated (see the GOPe) There will be no fudging that sell-out, not with people that support him, and not with people that support that issue generally (if not Trump himself). The GOPe has done the very same constantly for 15 years minimum and look where they are at - their base is ready to lynch them, literally not metaphorically.

Will Trump do the same as the GOPe? Will he put his own limbs at the end of four ropes tied to horses? Is Trump THAT stupid? That's the question.

You can site to this type of evidence about Trump all the live long day,
but as Barry proved 8 long years ago, the "bar" for this type of stuff
is somewhere at the bottom of the Mariana Trench - "Got your start in
the living room of a domestic terrorist? No sweat, "Hope Change",
here's the White House!"

And if he is that stupid, and his base realizes it after election, its not gonna be pretty, because he's playing with the well-justified emotions of a lot of fit-to-be-tied people, and he, and the nation, will not recover from that. Will that, in and of itself, be a good thing or bad thing? Turn the page....

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at February 29, 2016 03:47 PM (i6shs)

130 Letting in highly educated, skilled H-1B workers
*********************

I always said I don't mind people coming here as long as they assimilate, are pro-American, hard workers and will be contributors rather than takers.

If Trump's ultimate goal is to import wealth back into the country again expanding our jobs market and economy and in that setting wants more H-1B workers too, I'd be fine with it.

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:47 PM (qHgBB)

131 "I will say that the vitriol I've seen towards Trump supporters in the last month has been about enough to turn me off voting completely....t really, really makes me think twice about throwing support behind anyone after seeing Trump supporters being called ignorant, sycophant, KKK, etc."

Don't ever let em get to you. None of them have the balls...don't lose your vote out of fear from a bunch of shit merchants.

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 03:47 PM (WnCSK)

132 The Trumpening is going to be a Glorious event!!

Posted by: jt2 at February 29, 2016 03:47 PM (U3CzV)

133 As opposed to getting a GOPe or Dem and no wall. Just like the last 30 years worth.

------------

You know sometimes (and usually most times) the solution is worse than the status quo.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:47 PM (gmeXX)

134 First you have to win the general. Cruz won't do that, I'm sorry. He can't.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:47 PM (xuouz)

135
Say, what?! You make less sense than MUMR.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:41 PM (zLP1L)

The GOPe has three planks open borders/ endless war/ offshoring. I'm not sure what election they thought they were going to win with that. Jeb had even quit bothering to lie about what he stood for. He, basically, said I oppose everything you believe in, but you're going to vote for me anyway. Then Trump came along, and changed everything. Now the neocons are saying they're headed back to the Democrats and Hillary. So far I'm not seeing a down side.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 03:48 PM (mKAPw)

136 Hey, Chris Christie's endorsement has got to count for something. Amirite?

Posted by: Fritz at February 29, 2016 03:48 PM (UzPAd)

137 "as i keep saying, Cruz's position is much more hardline than Trump's."

Before Trump came along, Cruz's position was the middle ground with more H1b visas.

Cruz is a liar.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 03:48 PM (TcGpp)

138 So...Trump's supporters will go with someone they know will sell them
out on their single most important issue while also being against them
in almost every other way.

Win for conservatism?
---
Let me make this simple for you.

The GOP needs to go.

Some have said they'll start a new party if Trump is the nominee. *That* can't be worse than what we have now because they'll at least get that they need to deliver on what they run on lest the next Trump happen to them.

Or Trump discredits the party forever just like obama has the democrats.

Or Sessions knows something I don't and Trump turns out to be good for something.

Any of those is a superior option than a status quo candidate like Rubio. Now, if Rubio drops out of the race and Cruz is the sole alternative, I would be happy to jump ship. But not before then, as there is too great a risk of allowing the CoC internationalists a win.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 29, 2016 03:48 PM (ZbV+0)

139 "There's a man in the race. His name is Ted Cruz.

You might want to look him up."
---
i did: he's not going to win many, if any swing states. Shrillery will beat him like a pinata that doesn't move.

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 29, 2016 03:48 PM (ISW4H)

140 Is there any good news at all with regards to Trump? Just asking since it seems he has a good chance of being the nominee and it would be nice to have something to look forward to.

Posted by: IC at February 29, 2016 03:48 PM (a0IVu)

141 "The Trump wall will be a scenic flat that Senor Kool Aid smashes through. "Oh yeah!!!"

WTF are you going on about?

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 03:48 PM (WnCSK)

142 >>>Passive aggressive, pedantic anger is good, ace. It's one step closer to acceptance.

um, point out a single thing I said that wasn't factual...?

Oh right, a lot of Trump people think they actually ARE Trump, and respond to facts and policy arguments with insults, because... well, little boys need heroes.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 03:48 PM (dciA+)

143 And you see now.
Cuck Ace got his marching orders from the GOPe.
Posted by: prescient13

Jesus Christ dude lol. Just march in, shit in your hand, and smear it on our face. Then shout:

"YOU ALL DISGUST ME, CUCKS"

What?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:49 PM (xuouz)

144 Those are seasonal H2B workers, FYI.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, submariner at February 29, 2016 03:40 PM (3dOE/)
--------------------------------------

I must have misunderstood Shep, or maybe he misstated it.

Either way, thanks for the correction.

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 03:49 PM (TxJGV)

145 Cruz wins over Hildabeast in almost every poll as does anyone not named Trump.

Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 03:49 PM (fizMZ)

146 115
Quick question: will the cucking of the GOPe increase or decrease the likelihood of amnesty?
Posted by: trev006 at February 29, 2016 03:45 PM (MEHba)

You seem to be cocksure that Trump is anti-amnesty and will not "make a deal" in a manner of speaking. I am not so sanguine about him in the Oval Office.

I think he's lying through his teeth to get elected. What's reprehensible about it all is that he is hitting a very raw nerve with the majority of Americans, not necessarily to do what they want should they elect him, but to do whatever he wants to do.

I do not trust Donald Trump at all, and as the days dwindle down, that trust grows less and less and my dread increases.

Sorry to rain on everyone's parade. But the more I see and hear, the more I am disgusted. And the more the die-hards dig in and refuse to even consider they may have been mistaken.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:49 PM (zLP1L)

147 on your* face

That type kind of pokes a hole in my staid voice of reason act, huh?

I'm out, enjoy this fuckstain and his desperate anting.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:49 PM (xuouz)

148 "He pointed out that just last week Trump was fined for hiring
hospitality employees for a Florida hotel, claiming no American wanted
the job when hundreds of experienced American hotel workers were turned
away in the interview process."

Down in South Carolina, Miss Lindsey personally intervened in order to get a bunch of imported-worker visas cut, for a golf resort that was staffing up for a tournament.

They couldn't find enough American citizen job applicants in the Palmetto State, said Miss Lindsey, who could pass the mandatory pre-employment drug test. They tried and tried.

So instead with all of the new visas, the resort brought in replacement workers from... Jamaica. Yeah, that's the first place that I always think of when I require workers who can pass a drug test: get them from the land of omnipresent ganja. Jah love, mon.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 03:50 PM (noWW6)

149 Fredo
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 03:45 PM (mw8Dm)

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Same here. If I had been awarded that metal, I would have asked that the ceremony be put off for a year.

Posted by: The Left at February 29, 2016 03:50 PM (Fmupd)

150
In Terry Pratchett's Discworld, the world is supported on the backs of four giant turtles who slowly walk through space. One character questioned the cosmology: "what's holding up the turtles?" Without missing a beat the answer was its turtles all the way down.

None of the political choices left to us will come close to solving the existential problems we currently have as a country. Its doom all the way down.

I really don't want to see a Republican complete the fundamental transformation of the US. I don't really know what any of these people will really do, however.

Whether they fail based upon deceit, or ineptitude, or naivete, or lack of political power,it is in the end, the same result.

I will tell you this, the Uniparty demandsopen bordersand they will get it, eventually.

There is left, only the question of timing. Some like to think there is also a chance to spit in the collective eye of the Uniparty. I don't know what voting choice will assure that except don't vote for Rubio!

Posted by: simplemind at February 29, 2016 03:50 PM (JTwsP)

151 129 They're taking a risk, Trump wouldn't be where he is if he was a guaranteed sellout.

His nomination will be a loss for the GOPe, and a win for nationalism.

If conservatism is tied to the GOPe, they can lose too for all I care.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 03:47 PM (uURQL)

Oh, he's a guaranteed sell out for sure. He's just pandering to a group of people who don't get pandered to very often.

He's "speaking truth to power" in some people's opinions.

In reality, he's peddling BS, but it doesn't matter because his supporters feel as though their government isn't for them anymore and here comes Trump sounding like he's for them.

It doesn't really matter that he'll sell them out. I don't think they care. I think they just want to be treated like they matter to their government. They don't really care that much about policy. It's about emotions. He's making them feel important and heard, so they support him.

That's why very little seems to dissuade his supporters. They emotionally came to this decision, and it'll take some kind of very emotional change to make them turn away.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 03:50 PM (rJSDb)

152 Oh, ok, this totally changes my mind then. I was for SMOD, but if Trump is lying... then... well. I guess I'll vote for Rubio. Thanks!

Posted by: Yip at February 29, 2016 03:50 PM (e7T6D)

153 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 03:27 PM (39g3+)

When the nice man with the earpiece tells you to move to the side it would be wise to move to the side.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 03:50 PM (hLRSq)

154 138 ruz is a liar.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 03:48 PM (TcGpp)\
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Less dramatically so than Trump, apparently.

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 03:50 PM (TxJGV)

155 >>>
Before Trump came along, Cruz's position was the middle ground with more H1b visas.

Cruz is a liar.

...

TRUMP'S POSITION *STILL* IS THAT

CAN YOU NOT READ ENGLISH WORDS?

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 03:51 PM (dciA+)

156 Off bad sock

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 03:51 PM (Fmupd)

157 um, point out a single thing I said that wasn't factual...?
Oh right, a lot of Trump people think they actually ARE Trump, and respond to facts and policy arguments with insults, because... well, little boys need heroes.
Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 03:48 PM (dciA+)

So is this better or worse than twitter?

Don't let these idiots get to you, what you wrote is exactly the angle critics should have been taking on Donald, the sheer volume of bluster made it difficult to look the immigration issues square in the eyes. You're probably too late.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:51 PM (xuouz)

158 Folks, if you want to sway me away from Trump, bring something other than the past 30 years of GOPe malfeasance.

I am done being lied to. I no longer care.

Cruz? His colleagues hate him.
Show how he vetoes and they don't override him.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:51 PM (+058L)

159 Trump is an asshole.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 29, 2016 03:51 PM (xWW96)

160 Fredo and the RINOs and SHILLs gave us Trump, and not sure what we can do about it at this late date. Boy that island tom hanks was marrooned on is looking mighty good right about now

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 03:51 PM (mw8Dm)

161 Scratch that last post,

Cruz wins over Hildabeast in almost every poll if not every poll, as does anyone not named Trump.

Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 03:51 PM (fizMZ)

162 Get ready to say: President Donald John Trump.

Practice it. Repeat it. It will eventually sink in. After you swallow the last tears of the current toddlerish tantrum.
Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri at February 29, 2016 03:45 PM (vClpM)

so much wit..

I hardly recognize this place, who let in all the trolls?

Posted by: spypeach at February 29, 2016 03:52 PM (nyYhO)

163 TRUMP'S POSITION *STILL* IS THAT
CAN YOU NOT READ ENGLISH WORDS?
Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 03:51 PM (dciA+)

No they've been listening to Trump speeches.

I'm gonna go get fired for posting on this blog all day.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:52 PM (xuouz)

164

American workers really won't pick up sticks and move to a resort town for the summer to work. because they don't have to.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 03:46 PM (dciA+)

That's a load of carp and easily disproved if you watched a single episode of "dirty jobs" Americans won't work a crap job for illegal immigrant wages, and that only goes to prove they aren't stupid. Pay them a fair wage and they'll clean out the storm sewer system in L.A..

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 03:52 PM (mKAPw)

165 135 First you have to win the general. Cruz won't do that, I'm sorry. He can't.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:47 PM (xuouz)

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I would highly recommend that you look into how presidential elections are actually won. They are won based on macro factors like wars and the economy.

The individual personalities of the candidates matter surprisingly little.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 03:52 PM (rJSDb)

166 Do you think this ends in November? Who exactly is acting on emotion here?
Posted by: Ghost of kari
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I'm going to go long on Blinders and Wishful Thinking. They seem to be in demand.

I'm hedging with Ennui and Angst.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 03:52 PM (9mTYi)

167 >>> First you have to win the general. Cruz won't do that, I'm sorry. He can't.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29,
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I don't think Cruz can win the nomination either. That's why I'm voting for him. Trump will win my state. He doesn't need my vote, so it's going to Cruz. If Trump wins the nomination, I am willing to vote for him in the general. No way I'm voting for Mario.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 03:53 PM (2x3L+)

168 "tell the truth, and not tell stupid little lies like children and 7th grade girls"

--

7th grade girls don't lie, they just have a lot to deal with.

I really liked this one girl, but we never could get together because her Grandma passed away like five times.

I felt so sorry for her.

Posted by: Mr. Wednesday Night at February 29, 2016 03:53 PM (Ui7Rt)

169 It doesn't really matter that he'll sell them out. I don't think they care. I think they just want to be treated like they matter to their government.

I don't. I want to be Left. The. Fuck. Alone.
But that seems to be too much for the dems and GOPe.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:53 PM (+058L)

170 160 Folks, if you want to sway me away from Trump, bring something other than the past 30 years of GOPe malfeasance.

I am done being lied to. I no longer care.

Cruz? His colleagues hate him.
Show how he vetoes and they don't override him.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:51 PM (+058L)

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I think that Barack Obama has proven that the best way to effect change from the White House is to have an obstinate ideologue in the Oval Office.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 03:53 PM (rJSDb)

171 "Is there any good news at all with regards to Trump?"

Well, two things.

One is that even if he betrays every single promise, he'd still be, ceteris parabus, a better Presidential choice than Shrillary.

The other is that he really probably can beat her. Perhaps even in New York.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 03:53 PM (noWW6)

172 I've been convinced. Everyone on the repub ticket is rotten. I'm voting for Hillary. I want to thank you all.

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 03:53 PM (Fmupd)

173 trump lives rent free at this place. it must be yuuuuge! got any gum?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 29, 2016 03:53 PM (ucDmr)

174 Wail, regarding these H1B visas, at the Trump rally in Alabama yesterday, former Disney employees, let go to train and replace with foreigners in 2014, spoke at the rally. Just sayin.' Make of it what you will, but they were not happy about being replaced with foreigners. Considering that many openings in engineering fields are flooded with foreign applicants, who went to school here, it is not unusual. But, Disney?

Senator Jeff Sessions has never endorsed anyone as a Senator. I think this is a big deal.

I say this knowing that my kids, who are engineers, were in the minority of a large university. Think of it, Americans in a minority in difficult majors. Some go back to their country. Others stay, and (sometimes) fill empty slots. This is what you get when American students shun "hard" sciences. It is too hard! waaaaa.

I am of the Don't Give a Sheet Party. Just want it to be over with...

Others also spoke at the rally when Senator Sessions endorsed Trump: the two former CIA agents who made the Benghazi move and the ICE agent Rubio ignored at a Congressional hearing re: DREAM Act. I heard his speech, and he mainly was asking the nation not to vote for Rubio. He said the Act was "as if the criminals had wrote it themselves."

I am trying to read through the tea leaves, looking at other sites vs the major FOX Network all but endorsing Rubio...David Duke never endorsed Trump. Similar tactics were done to President Reagan. Dated May 2, 1984...Reagan responded to the Georgia KKK endorsing him the previous month. He responded by saying his views had not changed since last asked in 1980. Same old tired card throwing. Same tactics of desperation.

I was not a Trump person but am seeing how desperate people are to bring him down. Whatever. Will vote (R) for whoever wins in this mud-slinging.

This is like the Opinion of the Hour media. A Times reporter gets knocked to the ground by a guard at today's Trump rally. He kicks and screams. Different videos taken of event. He clearly says "eff you" to guard, gets knocked to ground, screams and points at throat, then grabs guard by throat prior to being hauled away. He then twats that "he won't press charges." ok. Apparently he hates the GOP and yada.

All I am saying is this: it depends on where you read stuff. I have given ALL of the top tier a chance. As you may or may not know I luved Rubio. Lurved him. Helped elect him. Now, not so much. Cruz? Loved him but did not like the Carson stuff he pulled. Did not like that this brilliant man did not disclose some loan stuff. But I am ok with him. Trump? I am liking more, daily, considering the damn world is against him. I have listened to two rallies. I have listened to him, one on one, with reporters vs debates. It does not matter as I cannot vote tomorrow, but I am liking him more and more vs the "elite." (Please keep in mind that when the shouting, in previous elections, about the "elite" or the "establishment" I sort of arm farhted the significance and thought, whoa, wut.And went ahead and voted for Romney. But, with this Trump thing, am seeing what everyone talked about. Splody heads all around). xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 29, 2016 03:53 PM (wAMRL)

175 130
Will Trump do the same as the GOPe? Will he put his own limbs at the end of four ropes tied to horses? Is Trump THAT stupid? That's the question.
Posted by: SaltyDonnie at February 29, 2016 03:47 PM (i6shs)

This is by far the most irritating part of most right-wing criticism of the Trumpening. It's like claiming "guys, vote Hindenburg! Hitler's gonna be SO NICE to the Jews! You're being suckered!!" No one in conservative media has any idea how irrelevant they are compared to literally anyone else talking about Donald Trump! Really, is your opinion of Trump supporters that low?

I'm talking to you, Ted "Mafia" Cruz and Multiple Choice Mitt- you can't say the guy's audited every year for a decade AND that he has obvious ties to crime/ tax evasion/ goddamn terrorism at this rate.

Posted by: trev006 at February 29, 2016 03:53 PM (MEHba)

176 i don't mind seasonal workers so long as it's really seasonal.

American workers really won't pick up sticks and move to a resort town for the summer to work. because they don't have to.

So you do need some seasonal agricultural and tourism workers.
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Shut down the welfare system. There are plenty of people in this country to do those jobs.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 29, 2016 03:54 PM (ZbV+0)

177 156 Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 03:51 PM (dciA+)

Ace, the fact that you are going all caps is an indication of the blinkered, blind, utterly tone deaf to facts nature of the die hard Trumpsters.

The retort of "Cruz is a liar" is the same as yelling "Bush" and "Haliburton." Forget it. It really is frightening to see, though. And sad considering the people who comment here for the most part I consider reasonable and at minimum open to reasonable biplay and debate.

I see that I am mistaken. Sad.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:54 PM (zLP1L)

178 Speaking of assholes and failures, how about them Knicks and Phil Jackson?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 03:54 PM (mw8Dm)

179 Before Trump came along, Cruz's position was the middle ground with more H1b visas.

Cruz is a liar.
...
TRUMP'S POSITION *STILL* IS THAT

CAN YOU NOT READ ENGLISH WORDS?
Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 03:51 PM (dciA+)

This is an an example of the frustration with trying to talk to a trump fan. It's just like trying to talk to an obama fan it doesn't work, no matter what language you try it in. Sad.

Posted by: spypeach at February 29, 2016 03:54 PM (nyYhO)

180
I'm hedging with Ennui and Angst.

I'm all in on Pessimism.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 29, 2016 03:54 PM (ODxAs)

181 Flip flop or not -- Jeff Session has only endorsed one andidate for POTUS in his entire career -- and that candidate is Trump.

And that endorsement was ridiculously downplayed here with bately a mention save for a link in the morning dump titled "Trump receives another endorsement." As if downplaying/ignoring it makes it go a way.

#TRUTH

Posted by: Dancing Queen at February 29, 2016 03:54 PM (lZaEn)

182 Is there any good news at all with regards to Trump? Just asking since it seems he has a good chance of being the nominee and it would be nice to have something to look forward to.
Posted by: IC at February 29, 2016 03:48 PM (a0IVu)

He's not Obama. No more bowing to foreign leaders or apologizing for America's existence.

The leftists are going to explode due to their perceived shame to "the world". Actual world relations will improve since we'll have an actual leader in the White House.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 03:54 PM (uURQL)

183 rickb223- go with you hate the establishment, so find someone who the establishment hates. Someone who isn't a deal maker.

Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 03:54 PM (fizMZ)

184 "I'm in favor of people coming into this country legally. And you know what? They can have it anyway you want. You can call it visas, you can call it work permits, you can call it anything you come in legally."

They have to come in legally. There is nothing here about the number of people coming in on work visas, just that people have to be here legally.

What was this supposed to show me?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 03:54 PM (hLRSq)

185 >>>I think that Barack Obama has proven that the best way to effect change from the White House is to have an obstinate ideologue in the Oval Office.

correct.

i can't believe Trump supporters are actually making the case that you have to be flexible like Trump and "make deals" to get what you want.

No, you have to lay down a marker and never budge from it until the other side caves.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 03:55 PM (dciA+)

186 174: Me too!. Good lookin gal. And, smart too.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 29, 2016 03:55 PM (ucDmr)

187 what's the penalty for socking yourself as "ace" in a comment?

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 29, 2016 03:55 PM (ISW4H)

188 Will Trump do the same as the GOPe?

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No, I think Trump will actually bring you amnesty but he will do it with a worthless wall.

The GOPe has not been able to deliver on that.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:55 PM (gmeXX)

189 161 Trump is an asshole.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 29, 2016 03:51 PM (xWW96)

Sadly, he's on course to be our asshole, like it or not. Dear Lord, we've become the Howard Beale show.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:56 PM (zLP1L)

190 It takes 2/3's of both houses to override a veto, so peddle that insanity somewhere else.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 03:56 PM (TJCSB)

191 I don't know if it's still this way, but it used to be in Australia, any company wanting to bring in foreign worker had to prove that there were no nationals that could do that job. Crazy, huh? A gov't looking out for their citizens first?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 03:56 PM (kTF2Z)

192 Less dramatically so than Trump, apparently.
Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 03:50 PM (TxJGV)

I always ask this, what has Trump done to advance conservatism at all? He could've had a big impact in NY, he did nothing. He likes to cite Reagan to justify his conversion, but Reagan proved he was a conservative, he'd explain the philosophy, and then he worked in the trenches and proved himself before running for the top slot. The way Trump is doing this, proves its all about him, and he doesn't even give a shit about stopping liberalism, let alone advancing conservatism.

Posted by: Iblis at February 29, 2016 03:56 PM (9221z)

193 I think that Barack Obama has proven that the best way to effect change from the White House is to have an obstinate ideologue in the Oval Office.

You really think Cruz will pen & phone it?
He has too much integrity to act like Obama.

And we need someone who will.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:56 PM (+058L)

194 what's the penalty for socking yourself as "ace" in a comment?
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 29, 2016 03:55 PM (ISW4H)

bear rape, followed by additional bear rape.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:56 PM (xuouz)

195 Who gives a shit, none of these immigration policies will happen.

Status Quo will be maintained, because the House always wins...

Posted by: cajun caret at February 29, 2016 03:56 PM (QfUjv)

196 Trump is approaching Palin levels of devotion

Posted by: brak at February 29, 2016 03:57 PM (MJuTN)

197
Okay chuckleheads. Time to feed the kittehs. BBL. Or not if this shit is still going on.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:57 PM (zLP1L)

198 Status Quo will be maintained, because the House always wins...

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You know, at least the status quo isn't amnesty. Sometimes the status quo is better than the alternative. I'd love to go back to the health care status quo of 2008.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:58 PM (gmeXX)

199 Sadly, he's on course to be our asshole, like it or not. Dear Lord, we've become the Howard Beale show.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:56 PM (zLP1L)

The problem isn't that Trump is an asshole, it's that he is Trump's asshole, and in no form is he "our" asshole if we are conservatives.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 29, 2016 03:58 PM (xWW96)

200 "No, you have to lay down a marker and never budge from it until the other side caves."

Then you haven't read, "The Art of the Deal."

Walking away from a bad deal is the ultimate laying down of a marker.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 03:58 PM (TcGpp)

201 159 Some Polish guys an outside contractor 35(!) fucking years ago. Wow.
Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri at February 29, 2016 03:51 PM (vClpM)
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Dude, it was last week. Last week.

The rest of your comment is barrel worthy.

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 03:58 PM (TxJGV)

202 I've been re-educated. Thank you, Horde, for showing me the light.

I now see. They all suck.

Posted by: Irony at February 29, 2016 03:58 PM (BHaRb)

203 Isn't that droid in the new, more racially and genderly diverse Star Wars named H1B1?

Posted by: ajmojo at February 29, 2016 03:58 PM (1H9ox)

204 correct.

i can't believe Trump supporters are actually making the case that you have to be flexible like Trump and "make deals" to get what you want.

No, you have to lay down a marker and never budge from it until the other side caves.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 03:55 PM (dciA+)

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Nope...I was wrong. You got to make deals.

Deals with 50% of Congress that loves amnesty and 10-20% that would sell their own mothers for a chance to vote for amnesty if it was electorally safe. You know what might make amnesty electorally safe? Donald Trump signing the bill.

That's how you make sure amnesty never happens.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 03:58 PM (rJSDb)

205 "I'm going to go long on Blinders and Wishful Thinking. They seem to be in demand. I'm hedging with Ennui and Angst."

Rosy Scenario and Magic Asterisk for me.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 03:58 PM (noWW6)

206
No, you have to lay down a marker and never budge from it until the other side caves.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 03:55 PM (dciA+)

That's what we're doing. Trump is a marker. He's an imperfect one, but it looks like the GOP is slowly getting the picture, and that's why their threatening to vote Democrat, which is their natural home.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 03:58 PM (mKAPw)

207 Without making a giant post quoting and contrasting what Trump said, what people are interpreting it to mean (typically in the absolute worst terms), and how what he said is not inconsistent or necessarily the inverse of ensuring that immigration policy benefits American workers, I'll just note that, yes, it appears Trump was mistaken and ill-prepared when he admonished Becky Quick.

It's a misstep for a guy just five months or so earlier had not announced.

Tempest in a teapot, IMO.

We are never going to win the general with a candidate who only wants to appeal to a small subset of Republican voters, the exact voters that get us Akin'd on the national stage. I don't care how immaculate his flip-flops may be.

Cruz is smarter on policy, on the constitution, and on the law. He is also more slippery at political maneuvering and more owned by special interests (but you couldn't tell that by his pitches to his supporters).

I don't know what his donors stand for even less than what I know about what Trump stands for, aside from the fact that he is a single term Senator with no real executive experience, and whose roots are of a dominionist nature.

How many times have we heard here that the perfect is the enemy of the good, that ideological purity tests are worthless, etc.?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, submariner at February 29, 2016 03:58 PM (3dOE/)

208 Well... guess I'll go do something else until a non-Trump topic comes up.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 03:58 PM (39g3+)

209 10 years ago immigration wasn't a kitchen table issue so I don't mind if a candidate has changed. The lawlessness in the last few years has opened many eyes. My SIL was one of those they're just coming for a better life type people. She isn't anymore.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 03:58 PM (kTF2Z)

210 Trump is approaching Palin levels of devotion

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Ironically, I was on opposite sides. Pro-Palin, anti-Trump.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:59 PM (gmeXX)

211 195 I think that Barack Obama has proven that the best way to effect change from the White House is to have an obstinate ideologue in the Oval Office.

You really think Cruz will pen & phone it?
He has too much integrity to act like Obama.

And we need someone who will.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:56 PM (+058L)

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You don't need to pen and phone it.

You need to pocket veto it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 03:59 PM (rJSDb)

212 TRUMP'S POSITION *STILL* IS THAT
CAN YOU NOT READ ENGLISH WORDS?
Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 03:51 PM (dciA+)

Whatever his H1B policy is, it has a better "I feel your pain" package.

"Put American Workers First" comes up on his immigration policy page - it recognizes the cost immigrants have imposed on Americans.

His general points about America not winning against other nations and that this will change under him also makes that same point in an indirect way.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 03:59 PM (uURQL)

213 i can't believe Trump supporters are actually making the case that you have to be flexible like Trump and "make deals" to get what you want.

No, you have to lay down a marker and never budge from it until the other side caves.

And when in the last 30 years has that happened?
PP? Amnesty? ACA? DOMA?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 04:00 PM (+058L)

214 After tomorrow night, we'll all be Trump supporters.

I just don't see Morons embracing Hillary.

Posted by: ALH at February 29, 2016 04:00 PM (uLuPn)

215 I think Cruz bought into the claim that there was a shortage of STEM folks to hire. I *hope* his change on that issue is because he's learned otherwise and it's not just a lie.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at February 29, 2016 04:00 PM (uhftQ)

216 The issue isn't whether or not Trump has flipflopped on his position. He did. But you can't hold an entire candidate responsible for his behavior on one position. For if you do, then shouldn't you instead blame the entire nomination process? And if the nomination process is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of democracy as a whole?

I put it to you, Ace. Isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do what you want. But we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America!

Posted by: Otter at February 29, 2016 04:00 PM (KUaJL)

217 I think we should all vote for that nice man, Mr. Kasich.

Posted by: Edith Codswalloper, OH at February 29, 2016 04:00 PM (1D4w/)

218 Tagging yourself Ace should get you bear raped, then thrown to the wolves to be wolf gang raped, then a lifelong ban.

Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 04:00 PM (fizMZ)

219 198 Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri at February 29, 2016 03:57 PM (vClpM)

Slight difference. Pointing out the reams of evidence on Mr. Trump's record only seems to induce cognitive dissonance and a retort of "X is a liar!" Not a refutation point by point as Candidate "X"s supporters usually provide.

Trump's record on many things is well-documented. But hey, "make America great again!" Okay. Got it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 04:00 PM (zLP1L)

220 It did seem odd that, over both twitter and the blogs, Friday was the day of reckoning...the real anti-Trump stuff got rolling for real. Timing because of Super Tuesday, I guess, but it was really odd how it all started at once.

Posted by: Alex #11 at February 29, 2016 04:01 PM (EUMt/)

221 The case against Cruz from the trump folks branches into two different contradictory forks:

1. All the other establishment senators hate him

and

2. he's establishment himself.

okay.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 04:01 PM (dciA+)

222 If the GOPe "Brain Trust" had any credibility whatsoever on matters affecting working people, Donald Trump would have finished sixth in a six-person field in New Hampshire. And I would have said "good-bye" to all things Trump.

But this election cycle has little to do with Donald Trump's reliability, if any, on conservative issues. This whole thing is about the GOPe's refusal to represent its party's base, middle class voters who want a better future for their kids and working people who want full time jobs with benefits instead of juggling with two or three part-time jobs with few or no benefits. We're at a breaking point here and the only person who's listening and at least mouthing what the base wants to hear is Trump.

Posted by: mrp at February 29, 2016 04:01 PM (JBggj)

223 >>Nice strawman. As if supporters of any other candidate are so very open to the "suggestion" that their candidate is a liar.

You should go read the first two paragraphs of this post again.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 04:01 PM (/tuJf)

224 "I never flip-flopped on H1B visas.
Not once." Mike Flynn

They'd only let me vote for you once Mike ... better luck next time.

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 29, 2016 04:01 PM (eUbDe)

225 I always said I don't mind people coming here as long as they assimilate, are pro-American, hard workers and will be contributors rather than takers.

Yes. I don't think this is being talked about correctly. I don't care if you're coming from Waziristan or Guatamala or Hong Kong. America has always been made by immigrants and no one has ever welcomed them.

The thing that we're losing is the assimilation. You can come from Lagos and have a funny accent, but your kid who grows up here can be as American as my kids.

Everyone talks about how many furriners should be allowed in and with which kinds of skills. I don't know how to do it, or whom to vote for to favor it, but I'd like to see people advocating for American values.

America is an idea, not a blood line. Let's save the idea.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 29, 2016 04:01 PM (1xUj/)

226 Great, now's the time to be dragged into a meeting with a "climate change" wackbird.

Posted by: Edith Codswalloper, OH at February 29, 2016 04:01 PM (1D4w/)

227 The one thing I will say about Trump is that I believe he loves his country, and that alone makes him so much better than the commie filth running the show now. But he is still an asshole.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 29, 2016 04:01 PM (xWW96)

228 217 After tomorrow night, we'll all be Trump supporters.

I just don't see Morons embracing Hillary.

Posted by: ALH at February 29, 2016 04:00 PM (uLuPn)

============

I can see myself supporting the Libertarian Party.

I did it when I got my first chance to vote against Lindsey Graham, and I'll do it again with my second chance to vote against Donald Trump.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 04:01 PM (rJSDb)

229 217 After tomorrow night, we'll all be Trump supporters.

I just don't see Morons embracing Hillary.

Posted by: ALH at February 29, 2016 04:00 PM (uLuPn)

After tomorrow night, I'll be a Trump voter on November 6th. Supporter? Not so much.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 04:01 PM (zLP1L)

230 "The other is that he really probably can beat her. Perhaps even in New York.
Posted by: torquewrench"

Unless NY has changed a lot since I moved away, I think he'll lose NY by 30 points. (1) They vote for dems no matter what. Even Pataki and D'Amato would not get elected today. (2) Trump is a tabloid punchline there. They laugh at him, not with him.

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 29, 2016 04:02 PM (OD2ni)

231 "And when in the last 30 years has that happened?
PP? Amnesty? ACA? DOMA?"

UNIPARTY anyone?

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 04:02 PM (TcGpp)

232 First you have to win the general. Cruz won't do that, I'm sorry. He can't.
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He can.

*If* Rubio leaves the race first.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 29, 2016 04:02 PM (ZbV+0)

233 With Trump, his supporters are surely aware that he may be renege on his promises he made concerning illegal immigration. However, with the GOPe they can be 100% certain of getting screwed over.

Posted by: mpthompson at February 29, 2016 04:02 PM (w5gPX)

234 Forget it, Ace. True believers gotta true believe.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:43 PM

That's certainly true of the Cruzers.

No matter what Rafael does -- or didn't do -- in Congress, no matter how many times he recasts his positions, he's still the Great Hope for True Republicans. He can whine to an interviewer like a little girl on the verge of tears -- as he did Sunday -- and spew all sorts of bilge about Trump he can't actually back with facts, but that's fine because Trump is a Big Mean Meanie who is Mean, and Not Nice, and a Vulgarian.

Not a damn one of the presidential hopefuls is prefect, or even close to it. But as the attacks on Trump get ever more vicious and irrational, as the Trump-haters project their own wacked-out ideas on him, the more I favor him.

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 29, 2016 04:02 PM (D+xyy)

235 The problem isn't that Trump is an asshole, it's
that he is Trump's asshole, and in no form is he "our" asshole if we are
conservatives.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 29, 2016 03:58 PM (xWW96)

This.

Posted by: KillianThyme at February 29, 2016 04:03 PM (n2r4H)

236 One more dang thought from this tired Redneck Queen: when that turtle, McConnell, encouraged Senators to rebel against Trump (seeing writing on wall vs brokered convention...which will create heaven knows what)...well, when that fat pork-sucking Kentucky turtle said to his minions that he would "drop Trump like a hot rock," wail, that helped push me over the wall for Trump.

What...WHAT have the damn GOP, in the freaking majority, done for us? WHAT? (Calm down, Christy, remember your fragile health with bitchy Hilz virus). I promise you this, my flying monkeys, I will vote against anyone who does what McConnell asks. They all signed stupid pledges, to be loyal to GOP, yada. pfft. I am ready to raise hail and take prisoners. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 29, 2016 04:03 PM (wAMRL)

237 Is the I-fucking-hate-Hillary crowd larger than Ted-Cruz-Makes-Me-Totally-Hot crowd?

Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 04:03 PM (1D4w/)

238 I don't see it as a "flip flop" to think H1B visas are good at one time, but later when the economic circumstances have changed, they should be limited or put on hold.

Posted by: LASue at February 29, 2016 04:03 PM (pWeX5)

239 The one thing I will say about Trump is that I believe he loves his country, and that alone makes him so much better than the commie filth running the show now. But he is still an asshole.

No argument there.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 04:03 PM (+058L)

240 America is an idea, not a blood line. Let's save the idea.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 29, 2016 04:01 PM (1xUj/)

I grew up with this. I'd like this to be the case, since this is my primary claim to being an American.

But I'm also chewing on ideas that say this is wrong.

Have you ever heard of an English-American?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 04:03 PM (uURQL)

241 "......that ideological purity tests are worthless, etc.?"

No No No and No again.

Purity tests were worthless 1988-2012.

2016, they are now mandatory.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 04:03 PM (WVsWD)

242 I always said I don't mind people coming here as long as they assimilate, are pro-American, hard workers and will be contributors rather than takers.

________________

I disagree though, I only think that works if you're letting in a very small amount of people, which we are most certainly not.

My ideal position would be a complete moratorium on ALL immigration.

The best way to speed up assimilation is to stop letting in so many foreigners.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 04:03 PM (MOVsh)

243 "Trump is approaching Palin levels of devotion"

--

What does that mean? Sure, I have a small corner of my house devoted to Sarah Palin memorabilia, and yes, sometimes I sit there quietly and meditate.

But I hate when people call it a "shrine". That sounds creepy. It's a Tribute.

Posted by: Mr. Wednesday Night at February 29, 2016 04:04 PM (Ui7Rt)

244 The problem isn't that Trump is an asshole, it's
that he is Trump's asshole, and in no form is he "our" asshole if we are
conservatives.

But I bet his asshole smells like roses compared to hillary's asshole. And I raise ya a C note

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 04:04 PM (mw8Dm)

245 I stand with Jeff. Either you respect a guy's judgement or you don't. When I look at the folks that have lined up to tell me what an idiot Trump is and the the folks that have stepped out and backed him.... I still judge a guy by his enemies.

The carping at Trump has reached such a level it has triggered my pissed-off ornery double-down and screw-youz mindset. If so many tell me I am an idiot or not thinking clearly or

"you can't seriously want that '70Roadrunner... it gets horrible gas mileage, you'll find sensible mileage in this nice Honda Accord! "

Yeah, I've heard this crap before in my life and yeah, Joe Dirt was kinda closer to a documentary than I'd like to admit. Game on.

Trump = " It's got a Hemi in it"

Posted by: Yip at February 29, 2016 04:04 PM (e7T6D)

246 224 The case against Cruz from the trump folks branches into two different contradictory forks:

1. All the other establishment senators hate him

and

2. he's establishment himself.

okay.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 04:01 PM (dciA+)

___________________________________________

His attacks are too yuuge for you to understand.

Posted by: NotCoach at February 29, 2016 04:04 PM (rsudF)

247 I'd be thrilled if just one Trump supporter acknowledged all Trump's waffling and his former/curent liberal positions and finally admitted voting for him was a bad idea.

However, now it's just spite-rage support, so to heck with the actual facts. Either that, or they simply default to "yeah, but Cruz is unelectable!".

Which is, by far, the dumbest thing I've heard so far this year. A position based on no facts whatsoever, just feeeellllsss and flying in the face of national polls which say otherwise.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 29, 2016 04:05 PM (2PHKP)

248 Well, I don't worry about Trump double-crossing us in office because, IMO, he doesn't have a prayer of winning the general.

But his pretense of being against open borders, the PERCEPTION that he is selling, is very important --- and not just because it has allowed him to win the nomination.

When Hillary wins in a landslide, it will be spun by both parties as a massive rejection of the anti-amnesty knuckle-draggers, a mandate for "immigration reform."
And you will see a bipartisan bill that makes the Gang of Eight look almost good in comparison.

If Hillary is to win the WH anyway, I would rather Amnesty Rubio be the losing candidate. If he lost, it would be because so many of us detest his stand on amnesty. (Well, the treachery too, but I'm talking about the primary narrative here.) At least it would serve as a warning to the GOPs.

DOOM!

I've moved from who can win to who would be the best loser!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 29, 2016 04:05 PM (T/5A0)

249 After tomorrow night, I'll be a Trump voter on November 6th. Supporter? Not so much.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 04:01 PM (zLP1L)

Voting for Trump without supporting him?

How will that work?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 04:05 PM (uURQL)

250 ...But he is still an asshole.

There have been times in this country's history when we needed an asshole. Just sayin'...

Posted by: mpthompson at February 29, 2016 04:05 PM (w5gPX)

251 135 First you have to win the general. Cruz won't do that, I'm sorry. He can't.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:47 PM (xuouz)
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This is the old Electability argument. But this time it might be right.

Trump strikes me as the most skillful politician in the race so far. He would stomp Shrillary in NY I think, based on the support he gets from blue collar Democrats. That alone would probably cot her the election, but I think it goes further than that. Three weeks ago Bill whack-a-moled for a moment to complain about Trump and he went back into his hole ten minutes later minus a couple of limbs. Trump sliced him up.

Having said all that, I thought we had decided electability was a terrible reason to vote for someone and instead we want to concentrate on principles. Trump doesn't have any.

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 04:05 PM (TxJGV)

252 I have a circle of friends that's pretty varied politically, left to right; the only expectation is that they have the good grace not to bucket on about their politics.

But I'm having a Pauline Kael moment these days; absolutely NONE of them are for Trump for president.

Zero. Nada. No one.

Anybody else out in meatspace having the same experience?

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at February 29, 2016 04:05 PM (XdbLA)

253 They'd only let me vote for you once Mike ... better luck next time.
Posted by: Illiniwek at February 29, 2016 04:01 PM (eUbDe)
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Now if everyone who voted for him voted for him twice it would have been a much closer contest.

Posted by: RioBravo at February 29, 2016 04:05 PM (NUqwG)

254
Yeah, Cruz's brand with the LIV, or the nonstandard Republican voter is "hey that guy is the zodiac killer". Now you laugh. That's farcical. Go ahead take a moment and laugh, I'll join you. . .

Okay. See Cruz is too new to the general population and he can and has been branded previously as a kook. It takes a lot of time and money to reverse that brand. That is in fact why the MSM spends so much time doing it to republicans. It works.
Trump branded himself already. It would take a lot to undo his brand, in fact Hillary doesn't have the time and money to undo it. Those who hate Trump will hate him no matter what. Those that don't hate Trump probably won't start hating him even after the DNC spends a billion on the project. They might just be suspicious. But guess what, everyone was already suspicious of Trump from the jump. Suspicion is baked into the cake. Trump is adisappointing choice in a lot of ways, but he leads in the polls well beyond any margin of error, abuse or gamesmanship of the system. He's the legit front runner.No one else is even close.GOPe look into the mirror and say, thiscould not havehappened except we screwedup for nearly a decade.

To be honest with ourselves, no one knows what President Cruz would do either, not even President Cruz. What happens is not just the end product of intent, it is intent, plus skill, plus diligence, plus political power, plus luck.

I am fairly certain however that Dondi would be able to push through amnesty. Not because of any skill on his part, but because that's what the Uniparty wants of him and they will get their will, eventually. If you are the type of person to pray, do it. If not may I suggest drinking? For those of you who are dual threats, pray first then drink.

Posted by: simplemind at February 29, 2016 04:05 PM (JTwsP)

255 What's reprehensible about it all is that he is hitting a very raw nerve with the majority of Americans, not necessarily to do what they want should they elect him, but to do whatever he wants to do.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:49 PM (zLP1L)

Look, if we can't stipulate that Trump utterly humiliated the people who thought they were in charge of the Republican party, we have nothing else to discuss. If you can agree with that, then insisting that Trump will do whatever he wants would work better from the opposite angle. Arguing that "this mesmerizing fascist is going to machine-gun the Republican establishment to the floor, and I don't mean that figuratively" would at least try to appeal to our common humanity and feed into the stereotypes most people are holding of Donald Trump.

You'd have a whole new set of problems, but at least it'd be slightly in tune with the reality of the past few months!

Enjoy feeding the kittens. I trust and like the cats of a random stranger more than professional politicians!

Posted by: trev006 at February 29, 2016 04:06 PM (MEHba)

256 I like this latest iteration. "We liked Trump for a while too, but now we've come to our senses, unlike you idiots."

Great stuff.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 29, 2016 04:06 PM (3myMJ)

257 "
1. All the other establishment senators hate him

and

2. he's establishment himself.

okay."

-----------
They don't have to be contradictory.

You can have everyone hate the field goal kicker on the team because he's an asshole but asshole or not he still tries to kick winning kicks for the team.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 04:06 PM (TcGpp)

258 I don't know why, but several republicans I know think Cruz is a snake. No real facts to back it up; I think it might be something about his face.... I think he's great, but don't see him winning the general election.

Posted by: LASue at February 29, 2016 04:06 PM (pWeX5)

259 Well, I'm off. Another day of spirited discussion. I'm sure many of us changed our minds repeatedly as the arguments, then counter-arguments, then counter-counter arguments were made.

Good luck to your candidates tomorrow - though I don't really mean that. I want Trump to go down in flames. But I'm used to disappointment.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 04:06 PM (gmeXX)

260 Look guys there's a legitimate apologia that can be made for Trump (and making it the last couple months has really made me understand the full scope of the word "apologist" as used to describe an advocate for a given philosophy). But I'm bored of making it and and you all have heard me make it anyway...

Ok here goes:

Fuck the GOPE
Least bad option
Liberal heads will asplode
PC pushback
Trojan Horse for capitalism and limited government to the millenial generation
I cannot stand Mexicans and their derivative food and sexy, sexy chicas who won't respond to my tinder messages (my avatar on tinder is my favorite Goku Hikaru Cowboy Senpai character).
A robust and pragmatic approach to national defense

He has made these arguments, in stilted and cringe-inducing speech after stilted and unbearably inarticulate speech, and has garnered support which is snowballing towards 50%

That speaks more highly of the electorate than it does of the candidate, in my opinion, and it's a relief to see that unabashed American nationalism and capitalism appeals to an electorate which elected Obama twice.

Now that we've given people a taste for non-establishment condoned political discourse and a fuck you, 'Merica stance that's even pulling minority support, against all conventional wisdom, let's not pull the rug out from under the average voter and go "that's a bit too much, back onto the plantation with you."

It's gonna be ugly and loud and messy and trolls are going to get everywhere, even when the banhammer connects. Worse, in that case actually. I don't have any good answers to these very legitimate questions. And I'm thinking that the fact that the debate isn't all charted out ahead of time should be considered a feature and not a bug.

We're Americans and we've always been a little obnoxious to people who grew up in pinky-out aristocratic societies. Like Washington DC.

I love you all.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:06 PM (xuouz)

261 Voting for Trump without supporting him?

How will that work?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 04:05 PM (uURQL)

About the same way that voting for the last two Republicans without particularly supporting them has worked. Except with, perhaps, far fewer illusions.

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 04:07 PM (s5o+q)

262 The problem isn't that Trump is an asshole, it's
that he is Trump's asshole, and in no form is he "our" asshole if we are
conservatives.

But I bet his asshole smells like roses compared to hillary's asshole. And I raise ya a C note
---
Not to be vulgar, but I would not be surprised if either/bothof them get their bunghole bleached. And maybe bungjazzled.

Posted by: ajmojo at February 29, 2016 04:07 PM (1H9ox)

263 @239 ChristyBlinkey..

DITTO!

Posted by: Yip at February 29, 2016 04:07 PM (e7T6D)

264 ... and finally admitted voting for him was a bad idea.

Admit? Admit that you're a poopyhead, first.

Or knock off that nonsense.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 04:07 PM (uURQL)

265 To me the issue is less about immigration per se and more about jobs.

Because the Obama administration has had its boot on the neck of business with a long list of regulation that can get you fined out of business or thrown into PMITA prison for violations, we have had its a decade of less than 3% growth.

When the economy was growing under the Reaganomic economy, immigration may have had social consequences but the economic effects were generally positive. With Obama's new normal stagnant, zero sum, crony economy, people with political connections do well and the rest of us fight over scraps.

Posted by: obnoxious ahole at February 29, 2016 04:07 PM (MpvuV)

266 Big dust up at Trump rally. BLM types, a lot of them. Some photographer took on a Secret Service agent. Bad move. Captured on camera.

Probably get a lot of air play tonight.

Posted by: mega machines at February 29, 2016 04:07 PM (fbovC)

267 With Trump, his supporters are surely aware that he may be renege on his promises he made concerning illegal immigration.

However, with the GOPe they can be 100% certain of getting screwed over.

This in a nutshell sums it up.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 04:07 PM (+058L)

268 Like I said, vote for whichever candidate is closest to you in both the primary and the general. If you withhold your vote, I assure you the message will not be received as intended.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 04:07 PM (kTF2Z)

269 Trump is an asshole. So am I right now.

I read of stuff he does not yap about. Have no idea if true or not, but here is a nugget: His limo has a flat. Some guy stops to help. Next thing he knows his mortgage is paid for.

Stories like this.

But it was McConnell that put me over the edge of him vs Cruz. The all hate Cruz, but they fear Trump. Yep. If Trump gets the nomination and wins the general, there are a lot of K Street people who will be without jobs. A lot of pork spending going bye-bye, McConnell and others who bow, like Barky, to the lobbies. For that reason alone, too, that Trump owes nobody, I like him. Bite moi. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 29, 2016 04:07 PM (wAMRL)

270 96 And you see now.

Cuck Ace got his marching orders from the GOPe.

All anti-Trump, all the time. He won't back Rubio anymore - as Rubio is done for.

He'll just attack Trump. Pretend he's for Cruz. Until his paymasters tell him who they're going to back in the end.

Unless Trump becomes unstoppable, then we'll see. But until then, watch for it.

I fully expect he'll argue that Trump is for funding PP citing a 6 month old Hannity interview and then scream at anyone who says that's not true.
Posted by: prescient13 at February 29, 2016 03:42 PM (W7w/T)

Ahh yes... must be the JOOS and illuminati...

Posted by: Spnge Hillary Square Pants at February 29, 2016 04:08 PM (nRT6X)

271 Just trying to think of an historical figure that I can compare to Trump, and he kind of reminds me a little of Andrew Jackson.

Vic knew Jackson best so maybe he can comment here.

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 04:08 PM (TxJGV)

272 Trump = " It's got a Hemi in it"

Posted by: Yip at February 29, 2016 04:04 PM (e7T6D)

______________________________________

A blown head gasket, cracked crankcase, and exploded valve cover, but yeah, it's got a Hemi in it.

Posted by: NotCoach at February 29, 2016 04:08 PM (rsudF)

273 Well, I don't worry about Trump double-crossing us in office because, IMO, he doesn't have a prayer of winning the general.

But his pretense of being against open borders, the PERCEPTION that he is selling, is very important --- and not just because it has allowed him to win the nomination.

When Hillary wins in a landslide, it will be spun by both parties as a massive rejection of the anti-amnesty knuckle-draggers, a mandate for "immigration reform."
And you will see a bipartisan bill that makes the Gang of Eight look almost good in comparison.

If Hillary is to win the WH anyway, I would rather Amnesty Rubio be the losing candidate. If he lost, it would be because so many of us detest his stand on amnesty. (Well, the treachery too, but I'm talking about the primary narrative here.) At least it would serve as a warning to the GOPs.

DOOM!
I've moved from who can win to who would be the best loser!
Posted by: Margarita DeVille

I can see your point of view.

I really don't think ANY of our candidates would have DARED tried anything regarding amnesty after Trump, so the idea of Cruz or Rubio pulling a fast one just doesn't scare me.

But Trump is much more likely to have his "China" moment on illegal immigration.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 04:08 PM (MOVsh)

274 I just don't see Morons embracing Hillary.

Posted by: ALH at February 29, 2016 04:00 PM (uLuPn)

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I don't know. Trump is a rotten flip flopper and Cruz isn't electable. Seems to me the only smart choice is Hillary. And she's such a darling. And she's married to Bill. Can't get any better than that.

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 04:08 PM (Fmupd)

275 Speaking of assholes:

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu chose a special Knesset meeting in memory of former prime minister Ariel Sharon on Monday to criticize the late leader's decision to unilaterally disengage from the Gaza Strip.

The parliament session, also attended by Sharon's sons Omri and Gilad, marked two years to the late prime minister's passing.

Was NOT the time or place for that.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 04:08 PM (mw8Dm)

276 >>>>> The case against Cruz from the trump folks branches into two different contradictory forks:
1. All the other establishment senators hate him
and
2. he's establishment himself.
okay.
Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 04:01 PM (dciA+)
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I once really liked both Cruz and Trump, but my disfavor of Cruz has nothing to do with either these arguments you've made. He can't win. He doesn't have broad appeal beyond evangelicals and hard core conservatives which do not constitute a majority in this country. He can't win. I'm voting for him tomorrow anyway and Trump in the general.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 04:08 PM (2x3L+)

277 >>> Well... guess I'll go do something else until a non-Trump topic comes up.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 03:58 PM (39g3+)

It's Trump topics all the way down.

Posted by: LizLem at February 29, 2016 04:08 PM (hvf9s)

278 265 Voting for Trump without supporting him?

How will that work?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 04:05 PM (uURQL)

About the same way that voting for the last two Republicans without particularly supporting them has worked. Except with, perhaps, far fewer illusions.
Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 04:07 PM (s5o+q)

================

Seems like the difference between a voter and a volunteer.

A voter is only responsible for their own vote. A volunteer tries to get more to vote.

Seems like a plausible explanation.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 04:08 PM (rJSDb)

279 Trump is a fighter, and after wimps Romney and McCain, we need that.

the only thing that worries me is the betting markets, showing the Wicked witch at 60% to win it all. Does anyone know if these are even reliable?

Posted by: Jada at February 29, 2016 04:09 PM (rJ4ms)

280 I'm not voting Trump until the only choice is between him and the other, probably Hildabeast

Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 04:09 PM (fizMZ)

281 "Voting for Trump without supporting him?

How will that work?"

Go to polling place. Pull lever. Leave.

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 04:09 PM (WnCSK)

282 Nice strawman. As if supporters of any other candidate are so very open to the "suggestion" that their candidate is a liar.

This is little more than idiotic and baseless condescending.

Kudos - you're gonna win gazillions of hearts and minds with that attitude, assholes.
Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri at February 29, 2016 03:57 PM (vClpM)

I'm not trying to win hearts and minds, don't really care if you like my attitude, and I was pointing out the similarities between obama fans and trump fans, you might like to think that's a strawman argument but it's not, it's just an honest observation. Sorry if the truth hurts you buddy.

Posted by: spypeach at February 29, 2016 04:09 PM (nyYhO)

283 Seems to me the only smart choice is Hillary. And she's such a darling. And she's married to Bill. Can't get any better than that.
Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 04:08 PM (Fmupd)

Ya know the newbies here might not know our kidding?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 04:09 PM (mw8Dm)

284 275 Just trying to think of an historical figure that I can compare to Trump, and he kind of reminds me a little of Andrew Jackson.

Vic knew Jackson best so maybe he can comment here.

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 04:08 PM (TxJGV)

______________________________________

Jackson didn't flip-flop, or obfuscate. You knew he hated your guts the entire time he was twisting the knife.

Posted by: NotCoach at February 29, 2016 04:09 PM (rsudF)

285 "First you have to win the general. Cruz won't do that, I'm sorry. He can't."

anybody that would vote for Hillary over Cruz wasn't ever a cross over bub

Posted by: DanMan at February 29, 2016 04:09 PM (RusNE)

286 @270...discussed up thread. Many videos show the photographer, from Times with a record of despising the GOP, saying "eff you" to the agent with a little chest bump. He then is flung down, screeching, and then grabs the agents throat before being hauled out.

Surprisingly he is "not pressing charges" as, uh, many, many videos of the event during the BLM parade. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 29, 2016 04:09 PM (wAMRL)

287 Advantages of Trump Presidency:
Hot First Lady
SOTU is much shorter and so ridonkulous that no one takes them seriously again
Illegal immigrants leave in anger
"Duckface" is replaced by "Trumpface"
Orange is the new black

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at February 29, 2016 04:09 PM (ygh6Q)

288 Because the Obama administration has had its boot on the neck of business with a long list of regulation that can get you fined out of business or thrown into PMITA prison for violations, we have had its a decade of less than 3% growth.

Decade = 10 years. Obama = 8 years.
So the GOPe has had their hand around businesses nuts for two years also.

Fine group of conservative folks you got there.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 04:10 PM (+058L)

289 "the only thing that worries me is the betting markets, showing the Wicked witch at 60% to win it all. Does anyone know if these are even reliable?"

This far out??? No way. Would you bet on a horse 8 months from now?

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 04:10 PM (WnCSK)

290 273 But it was McConnell that put me over the edge of him vs Cruz. The all hate Cruz, but they fear Trump.
-----------------------------------------

Where did you see that? Mostly it seems the opposite, if recent news is any guide.

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 04:10 PM (TxJGV)

291 I must say, this thread is not classy. Not presidential. High energy, sure ... but nasty. Not how you make a deal. Bad.

Posted by: Don T. at February 29, 2016 04:10 PM (BHaRb)

292 Ya know the newbies here might not know our kidding?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 04:09 PM (mw8Dm)

_________________________________-

Didn't Three's Company teach us that misunderstandings are the funniest thing in the world?

Posted by: NotCoach at February 29, 2016 04:11 PM (rsudF)

293 First?

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 29, 2016 04:11 PM (ISW4H)

294 >>>>> The case against Cruz from the trump folks branches into two different contradictory forks:
1. All the other establishment senators hate him
and
2. he's establishment himself.
okay.
Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 04:01 PM (dciA+)
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I once really liked both Cruz and Trump, but my disfavor of Cruz has nothing to do with either these arguments you've made. He can't win. He doesn't have broad appeal beyond evangelicals and hard core conservatives which do not constitute a majority in this country. He can't win. I'm voting for him tomorrow anyway and Trump in the general.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 04:08 PM (2x3L+)

Ah, "Electability," my old friend, how have you been? It seems like only a couple of weeks since you've been gone!

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 04:11 PM (s5o+q)

295 89 This Republican Primary brings a little Ditti to mind:

suicide is painless
it brings on many changes
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 03:42 PM (mw8Dm)

________________________

Indeed.

There will be a new Party soon. The only question is will it be Trump that leaves the GOP.

Or will it be those of us who have never voted anything else?

Trump is completely incompatible with the laws of logic, integrity, and human decentcy.

My vote would be for the GOP to disqualify Trump so he runs third party. The GOP may become the party of the KKK but it will not include more than half the party when it does.

But if the GOP won't kick Trump out.... I'll be joining a new party, and likely voting for Hillary to keep Trump out.

No KKK panderer in the Whitehouse.

Posted by: petunia at February 29, 2016 04:11 PM (VoCyE)

296 Anybody else out in meatspace having the same experience?
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at February 29, 2016 04:05 PM (XdbLA)

The opposite. Both my grandmothers (longtime RNC donators) my younger cousin, two older cousins, my LIV-to-the-max roommate, my typically staid parents, an older man I met in the cast of a musical I was in who works with unions for the state government, a girl I hooked up with two weekends ago, and several members of a dungeons and dragons group I know about (I don't play) are all either all-in for Trump or open to the idea of voting for him.

From where I'm standing he's already won the general.

I live in Boston.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:11 PM (xuouz)

297 Seems like the difference between a voter and a volunteer.
A voter is only responsible for their own vote. A volunteer tries to get more to vote.
Seems like a plausible explanation.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 04:08 PM (rJSDb)

But voting is an act of support, which makes one a supporter ...

I know he means he's only giving his vote, it's just a funny way to say it.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 04:11 PM (uURQL)

298 trump may be an asshole, but, he may be
an asshole to the right people. hell, i don't know, but, a fucking aardvark would be better than hildebeast at this point.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 29, 2016 04:11 PM (ucDmr)

299 I like Rubio, and do believe if had not been stupid enough to join the Gang of 8, he would be ahead right now. But so many say he is the better GE matchup in the fall, but did they not say that about McCain etc..?

Posted by: Jada at February 29, 2016 04:12 PM (rJ4ms)

300 224 The case against Cruz from the trump folks branches into two different contradictory forks:

1. All the other establishment senators hate him

and

2. he's establishment himself.

okay.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 04:01 PM (dciA+)

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To be fair, I've seen that exact same criticism of Trump.

I accept that both Cruz and Trump have Establishment connections (K-rist, who doesn't?), but I don't see either of them being celebrated by the GOPe or the media. The Establishment water carriers are ripping them both. They are both outsiders, but neither one is a pure radical.

What is Trump's actual position? Deport them all forever? Or is that a starting point for actual immigration enforcement? Of course I'm gonna ask for the moon in negotiations, but settle for what I really am trying to get. Is that what he's doing? Do his supporters know that? Are they OK with that?

Cruz and Trump are both political weapons. The GOPe (and Dems) are the intended victim. Gun or knife? Grenade or poison?

I think Cruz is the better candidate, but he's the slow knife/slow acting poison when you're already in the middle of being beaten to death with a bat. For some, it may be too late for his type of tactics to "save the nation". Thus, the support of Trump, the hope that "we" can use a blunt instrument of our own to fight off our opponents/enemies. We're just hoping our Trump-bat doesn't break mid-swing.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at February 29, 2016 04:12 PM (i6shs)

301 >>Just trying to think of an historical figure that I can compare to Trump, and he kind of reminds me a little of Andrew Jackson.

Ron Popeil.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 04:12 PM (/tuJf)

302 275 Just trying to think of an historical figure that I can compare to Trump, and he kind of reminds me a little of Andrew Jackson.

Vic knew Jackson best so maybe he can comment here.
Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 04:08 PM (TxJGV)

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I'm not Vic, but I know a bit about Jackson...

I've made the comparison myself, and I think it goes a certain distance (populist with little regard for constitutionalism), but Jackson was a self-made man who had raised himself from poverty to leading men in one of the most importantly unimportant battles in American History (The Battle of New Orleans) while winning handily.

Their both gruff with little regard for those of the "upper" classes, it seems. However, Jackson was from a very different time when presidential power was actually fairly limited. I'm no fan of Jackson, but I do not regard him as a bad president or a particularly damaging one.

That being said...I can't imagine what kind of damage he would do in the modern presidency.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 04:12 PM (rJSDb)

303 "You're a butt head!"

"No, you're a butt head!"

The End

Posted by: Cliff Notes at February 29, 2016 04:12 PM (ISW4H)

304 Seems that GOP big tent was kinda a lie. Yeah, I'm not so worried with Trump. He's proving the lie of the GOP for the last 30 years. Heh.

I left my petard somewhere... I'll go try and find it

Posted by: Yip at February 29, 2016 04:12 PM (e7T6D)

305 Posted by: petunia at February 29, 2016 04:11 PM (VoCyE)

go play in a mine field

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 04:13 PM (mw8Dm)

306 One thing I never hear about is how this campaign is going to be funded?

Trump keeps promising to self-fund, but does he really have $500 million to drop on an election?

I don't think he does, and I don't care how great a campaign you run, you need money to win races. Hillary is going to probably raise as much as Obama.

It's going to be a big issue, and forgive me for thinking Trump makes himself out to be far wealthier than he really is.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 04:13 PM (MOVsh)

307 "With Trump, his supporters are surely aware that he may be renege on his promises he made concerning illegal immigration.

However, with the GOPe they can be 100% certain of getting screwed over."

--------------------------

Exactly. Gee, we might wind up with our usual 0% with complimentary kick in the teeth by our betters.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 04:13 PM (TcGpp)

308
Anybody else out in meatspace having the same experience?-----Sort-of-Mad Max

Yup. Same here with my co-workers. They all think he's a buffoon and would vote for Hillary over Trump. Thing is, he's about the only one they allegedly would vote for Hillary over.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at February 29, 2016 04:13 PM (1JqUE)

309 I'm voting for Cruz tomorrow, and that's all I'm gonna say.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 29, 2016 04:13 PM (xWW96)

310 But I'm having a Pauline Kael moment these days; absolutely NONE of them are for Trump for president.

Zero. Nada. No one.

Anybody else out in meatspace having the same experience?

I'm in Pauline Kael World as well. I don't know anyone who supports Trump.

But I stood outside a precinct in NH holding a clipboard asking people whom they'd voted for and more Republicans said "Trump" than named anyone else.

I don't get it, but it's real.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 29, 2016 04:13 PM (1xUj/)

311 No deals! No compromise, Colonel Saito! I will not have an officer from my battalion working as a coolie.

(That is how you lay down a marker.)

Posted by: Colonel Nicholson at February 29, 2016 04:13 PM (JO9+V)

312 283 Why don't you just concede your hatred for Trump, as your love for Cruz, aren't fact-based but irrational and feeling-based?
Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri at February 29, 2016 04:08 PM (vClpM)
-------------------------------------------

Hector?

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 04:13 PM (TxJGV)

313 Advantages of Trump Presidency:
Hot First Lady
SOTU is much shorter and so ridonkulous that no one takes them seriously again
Illegal immigrants leave in anger
"Duckface" is replaced by "Trumpface"
Orange is the new black
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How OITNB isn't an (un)official part of the Trump campaign slogan already is beyond me.

Posted by: ajmojo at February 29, 2016 04:14 PM (1H9ox)

314 294. Skeezix, thanks. that was my question. It seems like the media is trying to coronate her again 8 months out.

Posted by: Jada at February 29, 2016 04:14 PM (rJ4ms)

315 ... and this O'Spades fellow, very unclassy. Sloppy. Smells like hobo. Drinks too much Valu-Rite. He's low energy, and not good for America.

Posted by: Don T. at February 29, 2016 04:14 PM (BHaRb)

316 >>> Yeah, Cruz's brand with the LIV, or the nonstandard Republican voter is "hey that guy is the zodiac killer".

Those stupid "Cruz is the zodiac killer" shirts made by @crulge have raised over $35K so for for a pro abortion group in Texas. These are the LIV hearts and minds we have to try and win over? I weep for humanity.

Posted by: LizLem at February 29, 2016 04:14 PM (hvf9s)

317 I'm having a good a time cussing out the robot calls from the politicians. Well except for that last one for Rubio. In my defense that woman did sound like a recording though. Sorry about that ma'am.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at February 29, 2016 04:14 PM (W7sM1)

318 #75 You think Trump gives a shit about Jeff Sessions' reputation? Did you see that open mike snub he gave Christie immedfiately after Christie's endorsement: "Now go home. The plane's over there."

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 04:15 PM (Kucy5)

319 I'm in Pauline Kael World as well. I don't know anyone who supports Trump.

But I stood outside a precinct in NH holding a clipboard asking people whom they'd voted for and more Republicans said "Trump" than named anyone else.

I don't get it, but it's real.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 29, 2016 04:13 PM (1xUj/)

"Piss on you, I work for Mel Brooks!"

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 04:15 PM (s5o+q)

320 You mean the "unilaterally disengage" thing that got Hamas a state, got hundreds of soldiers and civies killed and made half of fucking Israel to hide in bomb shelters?

How insensitive is that, yo! In Bibi's place i'd say it's a bad thing the fucker died AFTER the implementation of his demented plan.
Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri at February 29, 2016 04:12 PM (vClpM)

Show's how much you know about Sharon's legacy and what he meant to the State of Israel and about memorial Services and the Dignity that is suppose to be entrusted to the Head of a Government.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 04:15 PM (mw8Dm)

321 >>>Just trying to think of an historical figure that I can compare to Trump, and he kind of reminds me a little of Andrew Jackson.

Mother Teressa.

Posted by: DONALD TRUMP at February 29, 2016 04:15 PM (TJCSB)

322 "
Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 04:08 PM (2x3L+) "

I think these electability predictions are silly. The big factor will be low info voters and they will be informed by the media, particularly non-news media. That's how so many were surprised that super-electable Romney was crushed by Obama despite the economic problems of the day.

Now, I personally thought Trump would have no chance in the primary, so I won't pretend to be an expert on electability, but he will have a very hard time beating Hillary.

Posted by: Dustin at February 29, 2016 04:15 PM (a7sQX)

323 116
Do you have the stomach for the task ahead of us? Do you think this ends in November? Who exactly is acting on emotion here?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:45 PM (xuouz)

Well said.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, submariner at February 29, 2016 04:15 PM (3dOE/)

324 Snanderbatch I worked polling in NH too, I wish I'd actually gone around the war room to ferret out some HQ identities that night, that would have been fun.

Ships in the night.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:16 PM (xuouz)

325 Posted by: petunia at February 29, 2016 04:11 PM (VoCyE)

A straw a day keeps the pain away!

Posted by: Meremortal at February 29, 2016 04:16 PM (3myMJ)

326 "Didn't Three's Company teach us that misunderstandings are the funniest thing in the world?
Posted by: NotCoach"

(Jack is giving neighbor lady cooking lessons, but Janet mistakenly thinks they are having an affair):

Janet: I heard what you and Jack are doing.

Neighbor lady: Isn't it great. We're doing it everyday.

Janet (shocked face): What about your husband?

Neighbor lady: He's paying Jack for it. Sometimes he joins in.

Janet (even more shocked face): What?

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 29, 2016 04:16 PM (OD2ni)

327 >>>
Trump keeps promising to self-fund, but does he really have $500 million to drop on an election?

john oliver pointed out something important: Trump has loaned the campaign 17 million, and also taken 7 million in donations. he says he's self-funding but the 7 million is from other people.

but let's look at that 17 million. That has to be paid back. but trump's plan is probably to fund-raise later, the conventional way, and pay back the 17 million loan from himself to his campaign.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 04:16 PM (dciA+)

328 @251...I admit I was reluctant re: Trump. (and by the way, Mr. Alabama, I am from Mississippi xoxo).

And I, the Redneck Queen, could also be called a flip-flopper as I was once, gasp, in college, a liberal. Hangs head in shame.

All I freaking know is that after San Bernadino I started paying more attention to Trump. He owes no one. Could he be a dick-tater like Barky? I don't know. I do know that the low bar has been set for eight freaking years, and I want someone our enemies fear. So far the Chinese seem a little uptight along with the Dems and stupid, worthless, GOP majority. Everyone hates him...and this is born of fear. I want ISIS to fear him. I want the Dems to fear him. I want all of the pork-sucking GOP to fear him.

I need a nap. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 29, 2016 04:17 PM (wAMRL)

329 Now if Trump could get Ron Popiel to come out and endorse,... that would be awesome.

How about Mark Cuban ?.... you know.. 'cause Cuban has the same double-down pissed off moxie thing..

The preference cascade on Trump and endorsements is going to be something to behold... No offense to you guys that are apoplectic and pissed.

Posted by: Yip at February 29, 2016 04:17 PM (e7T6D)

330 >>>> Ah, "Electability," my old friend, how have you been? It seems like only a couple of weeks since you've been gone!
Posted by: filbert at February 29, 201
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You did see the part where I said I'm voting for Cruz tomorrow, right? Please tell me what states Cruz has a chance of winning tomorrow outside of TX? I expect Rubio to do better than him. Cruz is being shut out by the MFM while Rubio is being showcased. Unless he has a superior ground game in all the states that are voting tomorrow, he has no way of winning the nomination. I'm voting for him anyway.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 04:17 PM (2x3L+)

331 224
1. All the other establishment senators hate him

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 04:01 PM (dciA+)

Whoa, kemosabe. I didn't say all the establishment senators, I think ALL the senators hate Cruz. In the "endorsement primary," he hasn't gotten support from a single one. Including and especially, because I'm gonna run this into the ground, Senator Jeff Sessions. That's not a sign of mildly inferior deal-making and it's not a sign of being the BEST conservative ever. It's a sign that no one you personally work with likes you. Good job on all that Texas support, but he's not cracking 50% even in the place that knows him best.

Cruz is a niche product against a wildly popular brand, and that's why he's losing.

Posted by: trev006 at February 29, 2016 04:17 PM (MEHba)

332 Strategy:

1. Accuse Trump of having small penis
2. ?
3. Win!!!

Posted by: Mario Rubio at February 29, 2016 04:17 PM (fbovC)

333 None of this has gotten me riled up,I have no emotional attachment to anyone.I'm dead set against Rubio and the GOP establishment and whoever is the Dem nominee(most likely Hillary,but who knows).That is all.

Posted by: steevy at February 29, 2016 04:17 PM (B48dK)

334 Geeze...John Fucking Oliver....

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 04:17 PM (WnCSK)

335 But I'm having a Pauline Kael moment these days; absolutely NONE of them are for Trump for president.

Zero. Nada. No one.

Anybody else out in meatspace having the same experience?

I'm in Pauline Kael World as well. I don't know anyone who supports Trump.

But I stood outside a precinct in NH holding a clipboard asking people whom they'd voted for and more Republicans said "Trump" than named anyone else.

I don't get it, but it's real.
Posted by: Bandersnatch

Same with me, which is why you can't trust anecdotes all the time.

I would say only 1 person I know is really supporting Trump, with a good 95% thinking we're handing the election to Hillary on a silver platter.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 04:17 PM (MOVsh)

336 I think Colorado's system is to lock any Republican who cares into a caucus room, set it on fire and then get the party insiders to a Denver strip joint to vote for Rubio.

That's how Edward II handled shit in Scotland, anyway.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 29, 2016 04:18 PM (KDwaS)

337 john oliver pointed out something important
Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 04:16 PM (dciA+)

Oooooooh gonna have to go to CVS, ace, the bandaids on hand aren't gonna BEGIN to address the chunk that statement just took out of your credibility.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:19 PM (xuouz)

338 "You're a butt head!"

"No, you're a butt head!"

The End

Posted by: Cliff Notes at February 29, 2016 04:12 PM (ISW4H)

This is the primary that never ends.

It just goes on and on and on.

And just when you think all the IQ points have drained,

A new primary dawns!

...

I can't take the inanity anymore, I really can't.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 29, 2016 04:19 PM (bLnSU)

339 "From where I'm standing he's already won the general.

I live in Boston."

i live in a deep blue part of deep blue Lost Angels, #Failifornia

every day i meet random people who support Trump, from all walks of life and of all the many colors of the rainbow. Trump has a chance here, IMHO, that Cruz wouldn't.

i also see way more Bernie stickers than i do Shrillery.

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 29, 2016 04:19 PM (ISW4H)

340 341 Geeze...John Fucking Oliver....
Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 04:17 PM (WnCSK)

=============

You really DEMOLISHED Ace's points by pointing out that the information came from John Oliver.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 04:19 PM (rJSDb)

341 VA voter for Cruz tomorrow.

Although the Trump choke slam weighs heavily.

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 29, 2016 04:19 PM (mEZce)

342 Trump keeps promising to self-fund, but does he really have $500 million to drop on an election?

john oliver pointed out something important: Trump has loaned the campaign 17 million, and also taken 7 million in donations. he says he's self-funding but the 7 million is from other people.

but let's look at that 17 million. That has to be paid back. but trump's plan is probably to fund-raise later, the conventional way, and pay back the 17 million loan from himself to his campaign.

Posted by: ace

So another promise broken, that he won't accept donations because he's not for sale.

If he had the cash to back that up, it would be a good pitch.

I really can see a Trump candidacy having money problems the entire election as very few will want to give money to a billionaire.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 04:20 PM (MOVsh)

343 But if the GOP won't kick Trump out.... I'll be joining a new party, and likely voting for Hillary to keep Trump out.

If HIllarity is elected, Mexico won't be able to build the wall fast enough to keep the Norte Americanos out when she collapses what's left of the economy.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 29, 2016 04:20 PM (YJmuy)

344 I'm voting for Cruz tomorrow, and that's all I'm gonna say.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 29, 2016 04:13 PM (xWW96)

Good for you. I wish more people would simply say who they are voting for rather than rail against the elements.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 29, 2016 04:20 PM (3myMJ)

345 "341 Geeze...John Fucking Oliver....
Posted by: Skeezix"

I hate that smarmy douche bag, but it's good to know what will be awaiting Trump in the general election.

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 29, 2016 04:20 PM (OD2ni)

346 Posted by: petunia at February 29, 2016 04:11 PM (VoCyE)

i supposedly give a shit about the KKK.

Sooooooo, I'm gonna vote for the party that created it. Cause I'm soooooper smart like that.

P.S. Snake handling in ten minutes

Posted by: Dan D. Lyin at February 29, 2016 04:20 PM (326rv)

347 I don't think he does, and I don't care how great a campaign you run,
you need money to win races.
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Sure do.

Posted by: $148 million burned on Jeb at February 29, 2016 04:20 PM (ZbV+0)

348 >>> You and petunia are Hotair comment section gas-chamber rejects, now aren't you?
Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri at February
------
Spypeach is not at all. She is an ette in good standing. Back off her. I disagree with her about Trump but don't go accusing her of being a Hot Air reject. Idk about petunia.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 04:20 PM (2x3L+)

349 343
That's how Edward II handled shit in Scotland, anyway.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 29, 2016 04:18 PM (KDwaS)

God, I KNOW, right? I keep saying the Trump campaign needs to resolve the convention itself like this, except we'd be herding the GOPe into our re-enactment of Inglorious Basterds, but they just keep telling me "chill, brah, we have this, let's just grab a Blizzard or something."

Posted by: trev006 at February 29, 2016 04:21 PM (MEHba)

350 @324...oh, for heaven's sake. You believe all the media puts forth? I later saw a tweet or twat or whatever that he was going to stay an campaign but he needed to go home.

Good grief. It has been proven, over and over again, that two witness the same crime and tell police different stories. Perhaps he was saying something else. Christie has a news conference later today. Maybe he will address it. I don't think he had a gun to his head to endorse.

And, yes, I think even The Donald knows that a Senator Sessions endorsement is huge.

Lots of new nics. Bless your hearts. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 29, 2016 04:21 PM (wAMRL)

351 Kids, John Oliver also points out the importance of flossing.

Posted by: Mr. Wednesday Night at February 29, 2016 04:21 PM (Ui7Rt)

352 Can't figure out why Petunia keeps being tried to run out on a rail.

Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 04:21 PM (fizMZ)

353 I live in Boston.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:11 PM

I'm sorry. Guess someone has to do it, though I'm not sure why. It's a batshit town, but this is a batshit state....

Sometimes, I can see Boston from one of the beaches in Gloucester. Close enough for me.

Say hello to Maaaaaahhhhhhty for me. I still miss Mumbles.

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 29, 2016 04:21 PM (D+xyy)

354 You did see the part where I said I'm voting for Cruz tomorrow, right? Please tell me what states Cruz has a chance of winning tomorrow outside of TX? I expect Rubio to do better than him. Cruz is being shut out by the MFM while Rubio is being showcased. Unless he has a superior ground game in all the states that are voting tomorrow, he has no way of winning the nomination. I'm voting for him anyway.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 04:17 PM (2x3L+)

Oh, yes.

But it's still the electability argument you posited, even though you're going to vote for Cruz (and good for you on that).

The fact is that it doesn't matter who gets nominated by the Republicans, he's going to get savaged by the MFM . . . Trump included.

It remains to be seen whether or not Trump can actually withstand the full-on whirlwind onslaught of the 24/7 media attack from all angles that any Republican Presidential nominee must bear.

I don't think he can, honestly, but I'm prepared to be surprised.

I think Cruz is better suited to bear up under the MSM attack, in addition to Cruz also being much more in alignment with my own personal values as well.

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 04:21 PM (s5o+q)

355 I'm not voting for any of the bastards tomorrow. Screw 'em.

Posted by: Irony at February 29, 2016 04:21 PM (BHaRb)

356 i live in a deep blue part of deep blue Lost Angels, #Failifornia
every day i meet random people who support Trump, from all walks of life and of all the many colors of the rainbow. Trump has a chance here, IMHO, that Cruz wouldn't.
i also see way more Bernie stickers than i do Shrillery.
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 29, 2016 04:19 PM (ISW4H)

Maybe this is a further manifestation of liberal retardation. He'll flip the electoral map.

Which will put him in the White House. But it puts a funny spin on the charges of "Idiocracy!" from the left. Yeah, because of you guys, you idiots.

And if that happens let's pray he really is a trojan horse for capitalism and limited government, and he's not gonna fit his agenda to the mandate of the constituency that votes him in.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:21 PM (xuouz)

357 301. Mass seems to like Trump from what I hear from Boston friends.

He is a street fighter who plays for keeps, similar to the gutter Dems.

I hope Trump nails her on Bill's Sexcapades with Lewinsky

Posted by: Jada at February 29, 2016 04:21 PM (rJ4ms)

358 >>Good for you. I wish more people would simply say who they are voting for rather than rail against the elements.

To be fair, maddog has been telling us that Trump is an asshole pretty consistently now for weeks. It goes something like this:

Trump is an asshole.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 04:21 PM (/tuJf)

359 What is it with American leftists bringing over foreigners to make fun of America anyway?John Oliver,that shitheel Trevor Noah,all these twit actors and actresses.

Posted by: steevy at February 29, 2016 04:22 PM (B48dK)

360 I still don't like using the term flip flop for a legitimate change of position. The way it's used now basically says you can never adjust your position or lest you be called a dirty flip flopper. I think to be a true flip flopper you would either had to go back and forth on a position or that your change in position is 180 degrees for no discernible reason.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at February 29, 2016 04:22 PM (ZLAox)

361 359 Kids, John Oliver also points out the importance of flossing.
Posted by: Mr. Wednesday Night at February 29, 2016 04:21 PM (Ui7Rt)

===============

Must mean that flossing is bad for me...if John Oliver said it that is.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 29, 2016 04:22 PM (rJSDb)

362 >>> Snanderbatch I worked polling in NH too, I wish I'd actually gone around the war room to ferret out some HQ identities that night, that would have been fun. Ships in the night.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:16 PM (xuouz)

We need a sign like the fish sign the Christians used to use. Needs to be simple and not obvious to outsiders, yet instantly recognizable to the HQ.

What could it be I wonder... *ponders*

Posted by: LizLem at February 29, 2016 04:22 PM (hvf9s)

363 rickb223

I said decade rather than 10 years because that is the level of precision I was trying to convey. I did not talk about years or months or minutes.

But, fine. Let's play your silly word game. In 2006 the Democrats won majorities in both houses of congress and the economy has been in the shit ever since.

Posted by: obnoxious ahole at February 29, 2016 04:22 PM (MpvuV)

364 Kids, John Oliver also points out the importance of flossing.

Posted by: Mr. Wednesday Night at February 29, 2016 04:21 PM

Vermin Supreme is totally down with dental hygiene. Also with fighting off teh Zombie Apocalypse.

Also Free Ponies.

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 29, 2016 04:23 PM (D+xyy)

365 Snanderbatch I worked polling in NH too, I wish I'd actually gone around the war room to ferret out some HQ identities that night, that would have been fun.

Ships in the night.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane

*waves at dead kari*

Didn't know that. There were a handful of known HQ handles there whom I was happy to meet, and more who seemed to have come from other quarters.

Pleased to have not met you. Wait, no. That makes no sense. Um...

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 29, 2016 04:23 PM (1xUj/)

366 From where I'm standing he's already won the general.

I live in Boston."

i live in a deep blue part of deep blue Lost Angels, #Failifornia

every day i meet random people who support Trump, from all walks of life and of all the many colors of the rainbow. Trump has a chance here, IMHO, that Cruz wouldn't.

i also see way more Bernie stickers than i do Shrillery.
Posted by: redc1c4

Interesting.

I'll definitely concede Trump has an X factor, but I think it is self-cancelling as I see him also bringing people out to vote against him. Suburban white female voters are where I think he'll hit a buzzsaw.

Hope I'm wrong, but 90% of females that I know seem to hate the guy with a pretty intense passion.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 04:23 PM (MOVsh)

367 "He died in an undignified matter, slowly decaying, like a forgotten sack of rotting swine fat."

Hey man, quit depressing me.

Posted by: Chris Christie at February 29, 2016 04:23 PM (OD2ni)

368 Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 04:21 PM (fizMZ)

Petunia is fine, amusing even. Petunia just has a desperate need to tell people what to do.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 29, 2016 04:23 PM (3myMJ)

369 Debbie Schlussel's nickname for Michelle Malkin is Michelle Fraudkin.
LOL.

It's always refreshing to read a We Must Have Caution About Trump post from Ace.

The previous 800 of them weren't making an impact...

Posted by: Mister Ghost at February 29, 2016 04:23 PM (8hxbD)

370 Oooooooh gonna have to go to CVS, ace, the bandaids on hand aren't gonna BEGIN to address the chunk that statement just took out of your credibility.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:19 PM (xuouz)

He's gonna need an ACE bandage for that one.

(Thank you, thank you, tip your waitresses, thank you . . .)

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 04:24 PM (s5o+q)

371 "You really DEMOLISHED Ace's points by pointing out that the information came from John Oliver."

Wasn't the point.

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 04:24 PM (WnCSK)

372 I'm sorry. Guess someone has to do it, though I'm not sure why. It's a batshit town, but this is a batshit state....
Sometimes, I can see Boston from one of the beaches in Gloucester. Close enough for me.
Say hello to Maaaaaahhhhhhty for me. I still miss Mumbles.
Posted by: MrScribbler at February 29, 2016 04:21 PM (D+xyy)

I live outside 95, I just simplify for the non-Yankees.

But I do know Mahhhty Walsh (plus Mahhhk Wahlberg) personally so I'll tell him hello.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:24 PM (xuouz)

373 246 That has not been evidenced and has been denied. E-verify is used on the said construction site.
Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri at February 29, 2016 04:03 PM
-----------------------------------------------

It wasn't a construction site, it was Mar-A-Lago (an operating hotel/condo resort in Palm Beach). It has been "evidenced" that only 17 Americans got jobs and hundreds were turned away, while over 500 foreigners did, apparently under H2B visas.

Go google it.

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 04:24 PM (TxJGV)

374 >>> Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 29, 2016
-----
Hey BTH, tomorrow will be my first caucus. The state canceled the straw poll. Do you know what the implications for that are? Things I have read say it is a move intended to shut down Trump, but I have no idea.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 04:24 PM (2x3L+)

375 You like Rubio? Have not been paying attention to his rino, self serving traitorous behavior?
He has repeatedly lied to conservatives, talks amnesty in Spanish, as if he doesn't think anyone will out him, he's the chosen puppet. He is the Republican Glob List candidate if he were elected we wouldn't have an America in 12 months with open borders TPP. He's a sleazy Latino version of Obama. What, he's been to like 4 votes? Doesn't have time for his actual job?
Trump, that's it or kiss America good by, when your in a snake pit who the he'll cares you hands you the stick?
Trump is our stick!
Ace is delusional in his hatred of the man that will bring us back from hell...

Posted by: gonzotx at February 29, 2016 04:24 PM (eV1YV)

376 What could it be I wonder... *ponders*

Eyepatch and slit throats?

Hobo pelts?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 04:24 PM (uURQL)

377 I can only stomach a few minutes of John Oliver before I want to punch him through the telescreen.

Posted by: mega machines at February 29, 2016 04:25 PM (fbovC)

378 Petunia is fine, amusing even. Petunia just has a desperate need to tell people what to do.

Petunia's a democrat?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 29, 2016 04:25 PM (YJmuy)

379 rubio is a sawed off little prick. cruz is too smart for president, he will overthink shit. might as well go with the guy that is yuuuuuuge. and, he has nice hair. we have no leaders anymore. look at paul fuckin ryan. stooge boy.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 29, 2016 04:25 PM (ucDmr)

380 Welcome, newcomer- sign up table is over by the
refreshments. We can make your name tag look just like the one from
stormfront, just a second....

Posted by: AoS Welcome Desk Volunteer at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (kXzR

This is the problem with the GOP and why it must be destroyed. We have a crisis that we know is coming and yet it can't be discussed. The GOP refuses to face it and calls you racist is do bring it up. This is why they are useless, and must be replaced.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 04:25 PM (mKAPw)

381 I really can see a Trump candidacy having money problems the entire election as very few will want to give money to a billionaire.
Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 04:20 PM (MOVsh)

-----------------

I will give money to Trump for his campaign if he's nominated. Same goes for Cruz. There's a much bigger enemy out there and it's neither Cruz or Trump.....or Rubio for that matter.

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 04:25 PM (Fmupd)

382
john oliver pointed out something important: Trump has loaned the campaign 17 million, and also taken 7 million in donations.

Right, the important thing is that he spent only24 million dollars and he's rolling the field flat.
I'm pretty sure that means something.

Posted by: simplemind at February 29, 2016 04:25 PM (JTwsP)

383 I can't stand Trump but the David Duke thing is ludicrous, Duke and the klan are powerless and irrelevant, nobody gives a shit about them and Trump has never accepted their support, it's emberrasing to watch the right peddle the same bullshit charges of racism thats been the lefts stock in trade for decades.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at February 29, 2016 04:26 PM (yos+4)

384 "Debbie Schlussel's nickname for Michelle Malkin is Michelle Fraudkin.
LOL."

I'm sure jealousy has nothing top do with that.

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 29, 2016 04:26 PM (OD2ni)

385 Marge: You don't have to join a freak show just because the opportunity came along.

Homer: You know, Marge, in some ways you and I are very different people.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at February 29, 2016 04:26 PM (kf2iZ)

386 To be clear: I love all you morons voting for Cruz.

I don't have a dog in this fight as I can't vote in this primary.

Cruz or Trump. I don't care...but have been blathering here as I am pulling more and more for Trump due to everyone hating him. It is in my DNA...ha.

I really am of the Don't Give A Sheet Party. Just hope it is not Rubio...

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 29, 2016 04:26 PM (wAMRL)

387 Hope I'm wrong, but 90% of females that I know seem to hate the guy with a pretty intense passion.
Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 04:23 PM (MOVsh)

60% of the females I know talk a big game about feminism and then hook up with the first douche in a leather jacket that negs them on Thursday night and post Rihanna lyrics about it all weekend.

On the other hand... I may have drunk the Scott Adams koolaid and I was an ardent proponent of "poll adjusting" in 2012 so... bear that in mind.

There's a reason I'm down here in the comments.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:26 PM (xuouz)

388 Hope I'm wrong, but 90% of females that I know seem to hate the guy with a pretty intense passion.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 04:23 PM (MOVsh)

Their lips say no, no, no, but their voting hand says yes, yes, yes and will pull the lever for him.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 29, 2016 04:26 PM (JO9+V)

389 I'm pretty sure that means something.
Posted by: simplemind at February 29, 2016 04:25 PM (JTwsP)

The peasants are revolting.

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 04:26 PM (s5o+q)

390 What could it be I wonder... *ponders*

Posted by: LizLem at February 29, 2016 04:22 PM (hvf9s)

I found a nice black baseball cap with an ace of spades on it.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 29, 2016 04:26 PM (3myMJ)

391 384
Hobo pelts?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 04:24 PM (uURQL)

F*** YOU! Do you have any idea how hard it is for me to get a quality hobo pelt for my collection?

Posted by: the littlest hobo-hunter at February 29, 2016 04:26 PM (MEHba)

392 We need a sign like the fish sign the Christians used to use. Needs to be simple and not obvious to outsiders, yet instantly recognizable to the HQ.

What could it be I wonder... *ponders*

Posted by: LizLem at February 29, 2016 04:22 PM (hvf9s)

I vote that the 'ettes flash us.

Simple and to the point.

For the 'rons I have no idea.

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 29, 2016 04:26 PM (mEZce)

393 I do hate to see putting people down for supporting any candidate, the person isn't the problem or issue.

Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 04:26 PM (fizMZ)

394 >>> john oliver pointed out something important

Random act of drive-by journalism, as Rush puts it.

Posted by: LizLem at February 29, 2016 04:27 PM (hvf9s)

395 "Hope I'm wrong, but 90% of females that I know seem to hate the guy with a pretty intense passion."

they're just mad the aren't as hawt as his wife, and that they'll never have a chance at his money...

;-)

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 29, 2016 04:28 PM (ISW4H)

396 Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 04:21 PM (/tuJf

Always reward good behavior, what the hell.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 29, 2016 04:28 PM (3myMJ)

397 A tattoo of a bottle of Valu-Rite

Posted by: steevy at February 29, 2016 04:28 PM (B48dK)

398 (vClpM)

He wants the banning so bad, give it to him.

Fucking asshole.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:29 PM (xuouz)

399 If he starts naming his cabinet picks after Tuesday, I think he could sway a lot of people. Cruz, Giulianni, or Christi for AG. Carson for HHS. Paul for Treasury, Bolton for SoS, Kasich for Postmaster General, etc.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 04:29 PM (kTF2Z)

400 I will give money to Trump for his campaign if he's nominated. Same goes for Cruz. There's a much bigger enemy out there and it's neither Cruz or Trump.....or Rubio for that matter.
Posted by: Soona

Okay, but don't see the problem with a candidate saying he's not collecting donations (but really is taking online donations)

It's almost the worst of both worlds, he'll get no credit for being self-funding but he'll collect very little as most people will think he's not fundraising.

A campaign that gets outspent by hundreds of millions is going to be a bad headwind. It's like not having a ground game.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 04:29 PM (MOVsh)

401 @372...more important, he wears a boot for a hat! xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 29, 2016 04:29 PM (wAMRL)

402 The peasants are revolting.

You said it, they stink on ice. - Count deMonet

Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 29, 2016 04:29 PM (YJmuy)

403 "it's emberrasing to watch the right peddle the same bullshit charges of
racism thats been the lefts stock in trade for decades."

But watching Trump peddle the same bullshit "Bush Lied" charges about Iraq that's been the left's stock and trade for a decade is fucking awesome.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at February 29, 2016 04:29 PM (kf2iZ)

404 Wasn't it a electrical utility company in CA that made the workers train their replacements?

Because, yeah, I see NO POSSIBLE safety issues involved with having a bunch of super pissed off people who may "accidentally" forget to tell others about that tiny thing that controls all the electricity.

By the insanity of cthulhu, I swear some people act like they've never met humans before.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 04:29 PM (mf5HN)

405 >>>Just trying to think of an historical figure that I can compare to Trump, and he kind of reminds me a little of Andrew Jackson.

Mother Teressa.

Posted by: DONALD TRUMP at February 29, 2016 04:15 PM (TJCSB)

The Sta-Puft Marshmallow Man.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 04:29 PM (hLRSq)

406 I do hate to see putting people down for supporting any candidate, the person isn't the problem or issue.
Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 04:26 PM (fizMZ)

Wow, racist shill. Can't believe you would say that.

/s

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:29 PM (xuouz)

407 334 >>>
Trump keeps promising to self-fund, but does he really have $500 million to drop on an election?

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 04:16 PM (dciA+)

Well shit, Ace, if this primary has proven anything it's the value of taking donor money for yuge ad buys!

Posted by: jeb006 at February 29, 2016 04:29 PM (MEHba)

408 The peasants are revolting.

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 04:26 PM (s5o+q)

I know! They stink on ice!

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 29, 2016 04:29 PM (JO9+V)

409 Apparently no negative information about Trump can be trusted, even when you quote him.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 04:30 PM (TJCSB)

410 Who's the leader of the club
That's made for you and me....

D-O-N-A-L-D
T-R-U-M-P

Posted by: Trumpeteers at February 29, 2016 04:30 PM (QM5S2)

411 404 Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri at February 29, 2016 04:28 PM (vClpM)
-----------------------------------------------

I will be relieved to see the last of you.

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 04:30 PM (TxJGV)

412 The suspended campaign of @ChrisChristie sold its email list of supporters and donors to the campaign of @marcorubio http://bit.ly/21Cxe7n

https://twitter.com/ballotpedia/status/704417864472727552

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 29, 2016 04:30 PM (vBeA5)

413 I think Cruz bought into the claim that there was a
shortage of STEM folks to hire. I *hope* his change on that issue is
because he's learned otherwise and it's not just a lie.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at February 29, 2016 04:00 PM (uhftQ)

Well he did introduce legislation to pause the H1B1 visa program and reform the rules so that Americans get priority in filling American Jobs (and aren't fired and having to train their foreign replacements).

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 04:30 PM (NPofj)

414 "We need a sign like the fish sign the Christians used to use. Needs to
be simple and not obvious to outsiders, yet instantly recognizable to
the HQ.

What could it be I wonder... *ponders*"

Crossbow

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at February 29, 2016 04:30 PM (kf2iZ)

415 But I do know Mahhhty Walsh (plus Mahhhk Wahlberg) personally so I'll tell him hello.

Posted by: Ghost of kari -- certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:24 PM

Oh, goody. Don't tell Maaaaaahhhhhty I wish Mumbles was still around, please. Has nothing to do with politics...I loved listening to him talk, and he seemed like a nice old dude.

I suppose you know Chaaaaaahhhhlie Bakuh, too. He's the first Democrat I've voted for in lo these many years.

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 29, 2016 04:30 PM (D+xyy)

416 Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri at February 29, 2016 04:28 PM (vClpM)

** sniffs **

Posted by: Maetenloch at February 29, 2016 04:31 PM (pAlYe)

417 Who's the leader of the club
That's made for you and me....
D-O-N-A-L-D
T-R-U-M-P
Posted by: Trumpeteers at February 29, 2016 04:30 PM (QM5S2)

It works!

It's beautiful!

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:31 PM (xuouz)

418 [covers ears] "la , la, la! I'm not listening!"
-typical Trump supporter

Posted by: Naes at February 29, 2016 04:31 PM (Ypc8j)

419 (vClpM)

He wants the banning so bad, give it to him.

I think Prescient got a proxy.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 29, 2016 04:31 PM (oVJmc)

420 He wants the banning so bad, give it to him. Fucking asshole.Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane

It's obviously someone already banned I think. It's just not ringing a bell.

Posted by: mega machines at February 29, 2016 04:31 PM (fbovC)

421 I really am of the Don't Give A Sheet Party. Just hope it is not Rubio...

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 29, 2016 04:26 PM (wAMRL)

Pretty darn close to my thinking. Rubio is toast though. It's Trump, Cruz or a power play by the elites that blows the election for sure.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 29, 2016 04:31 PM (3myMJ)

422 "The Trump wall will be a scenic flat that Senor Kool Aid smashes through. "Oh yeah!!!"

Come on J.J. I didn't budget for a new keyboard and monitor this year. That is a priceless image.

I think Senor Kool Aid should say "Aye Si!" though.

Posted by: The Cookie Man at February 29, 2016 04:31 PM (YW3BF)

423 He died in an undignified matter, slowly decaying, like a forgotten sack of rotting swine fat. Too bad he wasn't executed, though.
Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri at February 29, 2016 04:21 PM (vClpM)

Fuck you and get lost troll.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 04:31 PM (mw8Dm)

424 Trump's site calls for a pause on all green cards, penalties on visa over-stayers, and, hire Americans first and prevailing wage requirements on H-1B type visas. I haven't heard Trump say anything else.

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 29, 2016 04:31 PM (eUbDe)

425 A campaign that gets outspent by hundreds of millions is going to be a bad headwind. It's like not having a ground game.
Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 04:29 PM (MOVsh)

---------------

May I introduce you to Jeb Bush? You and Jeb should have some lively discussions about this.

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 04:32 PM (Fmupd)

426 Wonderful, now we are citing John "Current Year" Oliver.

Such a weird year.

Posted by: Alex #11 at February 29, 2016 04:32 PM (EUMt/)

427 Oh, goody. Don't tell Maaaaaahhhhhty I wish Mumbles was still around, please. Has nothing to do with politics...I loved listening to him talk, and he seemed like a nice old dude.
Posted by: MrScribbler at February 29, 2016 04:30 PM (D+xyy)

I rather think he was a nice old dude, as corrupt union bosses go.

Listening to him absolutely mangle the names of every patriots player during their 2011 superbowl run was a real treat. Wels Wekler. Rawb Grabowski.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:32 PM (xuouz)

428 " Did you see that open mike snub he gave Christie immedfiately after Christie's endorsement: "Now go home. The plane's over there."

Ok. Now that's just plain laughable.

You've never had someone give you short instruction on what to do next in an unfamiliar environment? Especially one where there is screaming noise in the background?

Keep reaching and you'll be able to rub the belly of the knat on a flea.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 04:33 PM (TcGpp)

429 At Am Thinker, post says KKK/DD endorsement was total set-up by reporter and DD has denied he ever endorsed The Donald. Huh.

The press wouldn't do that, would they?

Gosh!

Posted by: Yip at February 29, 2016 04:33 PM (e7T6D)

430
But watching Trump peddle the same bullshit
"Bush Lied" charges about Iraq that's been the left's stock and trade
for a decade is fucking awesome.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at February 29, 2016 04:29 PM (kf2iZ)

I don't think many believe Bush lied, but what they do think is that he was wrong, and not just wrong but spectacularly WRONG. I use to say that five years after we were gone it would be as if we were never there, but it didn't take five years. You should probably never speak of this issue again, it's not a winner for you.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 04:33 PM (mKAPw)

431 I think Prescient got a proxy.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 29, 2016 04:31 PM (oVJmc)

Has prescient been banned. Thought I saw it commenting earlier.

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 29, 2016 04:33 PM (mEZce)

432 If he starts naming his cabinet picks after Tuesday,
I think he could sway a lot of people. Cruz, Giulianni, or Christi for
AG. Carson for HHS. Paul for Treasury, Bolton for SoS, Kasich for
Postmaster General, etc.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 04:29 PM (kTF2Z)

Unless he is naming someone on that list for President, he is not swaying me.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 04:34 PM (NPofj)

433 [covers ears] "la , la, la! I'm not listening!"
-typical Trump supporter
Posted by: Naes at February 29, 2016 04:31 PM (Ypc8j)

Or, like me, you're listening and well aware but think that Trump's Warhammer of enStumpening +45 would look good lodged in Hillary's skull. Even better than it did up Jeb's ass.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:34 PM (xuouz)

434 When John Oliver joined the show, The Brady Bunch went straight to hell.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 29, 2016 04:34 PM (oVJmc)

435 (vClpM)

He wants the banning so bad, give it to him.

Fucking asshole.

*raises hand*

*votes for more banning*

It's obviously someone already banned I think. It's just not ringing a bell.

I googled it earlier. It's not a hash with a record here, but whatevs.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 29, 2016 04:34 PM (1xUj/)

436 421.

But a Presidential campaign costs something like $500 million if we want to compete with what Democrats bring in.

Where is that money going to come from and is Trump going to cut that check?

Trump's Twitter feed is not going to make up for Hillary outspending him by hundreds of millions of dollars.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 04:34 PM (MOVsh)

437 428
[covers ears] "la , la, la! I'm not listening!"
-typical Trump supporter

Posted by: Naes

Once more, for the dull-witted.

We. Don't. Care.

Every politician lies. Even your beloved Polly Pureheart Trucon Candidate. Sorry , princess.

I simply need a blunt instrument to hit the GOP with.

That. IS . all.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 04:35 PM (vgERT)

438 I guess the reference to more immigration is from the leaks from Trump's book.

But bringing in quality workers (that become Americanized) is still a good plan, as long as it is not to displace Americans. The problem with Kennedy's immigration is it imported third worlders.

But Trump/Sessions say we need a pause first, to get the Americans to fill slots.

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 29, 2016 04:35 PM (eUbDe)

439 >>> I think Prescient got a proxy.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 29, 2016 04:31 PM
------
That's not prescient. Different style of writing. No caps.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 04:35 PM (2x3L+)

440 Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 29, 2016 04:34 PM (1xUj/)

*sidles over*

Hi.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 04:35 PM (mf5HN)

441 The case against Cruz is that he's not gonna happen.

And, of course, you used to fap your agnostic mouth against Santorum
and Huck for being too evangelically-preachy to actually have any
chance in either the primaries and the general. Cruz is different...how?

Why don't you just concede your hatred for Trump, as your love for Cruz, aren't fact-based but irrational and feeling-based?

Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri at February 29, 2016 04:08 PM (vClpM)

And yet according to RCP moving average polls, Cruz beats Hillary but Trump comes no where near beating her... so who exactly is not going to happen?

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 04:36 PM (NPofj)

442 *sigh*

One of these days AtC is gonna pick me for her daily comment tryst.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:36 PM (xuouz)

443 Ok. Really am going to nap. If anyone messes with me while I am gone, take names and then kill them. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 29, 2016 04:36 PM (wAMRL)

444 Cruz must sold his email list to Rubio as I am getting emails from him now.

Cruz is the only candidate I have donated to and given my email.

But I've been Rubio's best buddy for about a week, according to Rubio.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 29, 2016 04:36 PM (3myMJ)

445 John Cena pointed out something important: You can't see him.

Posted by: Mr. Wednesday Night at February 29, 2016 04:36 PM (Ui7Rt)

446 TRUMP/MUMR 20!^

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:37 PM (xuouz)

447 Trump's site calls for a pause on all green cards,
penalties on visa over-stayers, and, hire Americans first and prevailing
wage requirements on H-1B type visas. I haven't heard Trump say
anything else. Posted by: Illiniwek at February 29, 2016 04:31 PM

Well, Rafael's website tells you to donate. And donate again. Hey, you're looking for my "positions" page? Why don't you donate first? Click here to lay some loot on Rafael!

It's like all his beliefs are hidden behind a paywall.

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 29, 2016 04:37 PM (D+xyy)

448 But watching Trump peddle the same bullshit "Bush Lied" charges about Iraq that's been the left's stock and trade for a decade is fucking awesome.

Not to me, I can't stand Trump, but yeah, it doesn't seem to have bothered his supporters.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at February 29, 2016 04:37 PM (yos+4)

449
Apparently no negative information about Trump can be trusted, even when you quote him.

Bingo. Its in his brand already. It ought to be a joke but it isn't. Literally bullet proof unless they have pictures of him with Charlie Sheen. Then he will lose a few states in the south.

Posted by: simplemind at February 29, 2016 04:37 PM (JTwsP)

450 May I introduce you to Jeb Bush? You and Jeb should have some lively discussions about this.
Posted by: Soona

So because one person spent a lot and didn't win, money is no longer relevant?

History is full of underfunded campaigns losing close elections.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 04:37 PM (MOVsh)

451 >>>> Sorry to bring the troubling news to you morons, but ace has been proven to be a hypocritical, hysterical bitch.
Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri at February 29, 2016 04:34 PM (vClpM)
------
I don't know what deserves a good hard banning if that comment doesn't.

This is never gonna stop.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 04:37 PM (2x3L+)

452 There is a story out a Swiss billionaire is giving to Democrat contestants including Hill

Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 04:38 PM (fizMZ)

453 Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 04:33 PM (mKAPw)

You don't think it's significant that the probable GOP nominee called for and said he welcomed any effort by Nancy Pelosi to impeach GWB.

He's not getting my vote.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at February 29, 2016 04:38 PM (ZLAox)

454 I worked a GOP table at a gun show in Michigan a few weeks ago. Receptive crowd, right? Nope. The few who would even speak to us were very clear on their hatred for all politicians in general and the GOP in particular. Trump was the favorite, just as in August at the county fair. The Party mucky mucks hate him, but the rank (and file) are going to give him Michigan.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at February 29, 2016 04:38 PM (dQJCS)

455 Ok. Really am going to nap. If anyone messes with me while I am gone, take names and then kill them. xoxo

Great, now what am I going to do with this bowl of warm water?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 29, 2016 04:38 PM (YJmuy)

456 455 Cruz must sold his email list to Rubio as I am getting emails from him now.

Cruz is the only candidate I have donated to and given my email.

But I've been Rubio's best buddy for about a week, according to Rubio.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 29, 2016 04:36 PM (3myMJ)

True colors, my friend. Some of his supporters are obviously the same way- and some are not.

Posted by: jeb006 at February 29, 2016 04:38 PM (MEHba)

457 I am for Cruz as long as he is in the race.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at February 29, 2016 04:39 PM (dQJCS)

458 Did someone say la la la?

TRA LA LA
LA LA LA LA
TRA LA LA
LA LA LA LA

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at February 29, 2016 04:39 PM (ygh6Q)

459
I guess the reference to more immigration is from the leaks from Trump's book.

But
bringing in quality workers (that become Americanized) is still a good
plan, as long as it is not to displace Americans. The problem with
Kennedy's immigration is it imported third worlders.

But Trump/Sessions say we need a pause first, to get the Americans to fill slots.

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 29, 2016 04:35 PM (eUbDe)

Illiniwek last week.... If Trump flips on immigration, I will reconsider.
Illiniwek now... so what if Trump flips on immigration, his new position is YUGELY fabulous.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 04:39 PM (NPofj)

460 But I've been Rubio's best buddy for about a week, according to Rubio.
Posted by: Meremortal at February 29, 2016 04:36 PM (3myMJ)

I was on Rubio's mailing list too. The first couple times I replied saying "eff off I don't vote for RINOs" then I just unsubscribed.

I think he got me off Romney's list, and he I think got me from a 2011 NRO subscription.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:39 PM (xuouz)

461
Or, like me, you're listening and well aware but think that Trump's
Warhammer of enStumpening +45 would look good lodged in Hillary's skull.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Why is this so HARD to understand?

Yet over and over and over and over...
"I want a candidate to SWEEP me off my feet with conservative hugs and kisses and Constitution and Real American justice and Old Spice. "

Sorry sweetcheeks.

Ain't happenin.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 04:39 PM (vgERT)

462
I use to say that five years after we were gone it would be as if we were never there, but it didn't take five years.
Posted by: DFCtomm

If it were only like we were never there. It's much worse.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 29, 2016 04:40 PM (FkBIv)

463 Trumpkins: I could NEVER vote for So-and-So because he supported ____.
Reasonable People: Trump ALSO supported _____!
Trumpkins: So what? They ALL do!

Posted by: Exile on Trump Street at February 29, 2016 04:40 PM (Y8P5w)

464 How is it still posting?

(vClpM)

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 04:40 PM (vgERT)

465 Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 29, 2016 04:34 PM (1xUj/)

*sidles over*

Hi.
Posted by: alexthechick

Hiiiiiiiii.

*grabs ....hand. In totally appropriate and non-pervy manner*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 29, 2016 04:40 PM (1xUj/)

466 At Am Thinker, post says KKK/DD endorsement was total set-up by reporter and DD has denied he ever endorsed The Donald. Huh.

The press wouldn't do that, would they?

Gosh!
Posted by: Yip at February 29, 2016 04:33 PM (e7T6D)

Just a preview of how the press will turn on Trump once he's dispatached the other GOP candidates.

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 29, 2016 04:40 PM (vBeA5)

467 Listening to him absolutely mangle the names of
every patriots player during their 2011 superbowl run was a real treat.
Wels Wekler. Rawb Grabowski.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:32 PM

Jeebus, I remember that. I was laughing so hard tears were running down my face.

Only Jess Jackson was less intelligible than Mumbles.

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 29, 2016 04:41 PM (D+xyy)

468 This is never gonna stop.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 04:37 PM (2x3L+)

So L,Elle. Approximately 117 hours to the next pet thread then???

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 29, 2016 04:41 PM (mEZce)

469 454: Don't worry Christy, I got your back. I will kill them all. It will be a pleasure.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 29, 2016 04:41 PM (ucDmr)

470 It will really be interesting to see what the election landscape is going to look like in 30-40 hours. Yeah, it's that close now.

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 04:41 PM (Fmupd)

471 Cruz must sold his email list to Rubio as I am getting emails from him now.

Cruz is the only candidate I have donated to and given my email.

But I've been Rubio's best buddy for about a week, according to Rubio.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 29, 2016 04:36 PM (3myMJ)

I very seriously doubt that.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 04:41 PM (NPofj)

472 131
Letting in highly educated, skilled H-1B workers

*********************

I always said I don't mind people coming here as long as they assimilate, are pro-American, hard workers and will be contributors rather than takers.

If Trump's ultimate goal is to import wealth back into the country again expanding our jobs market and economy and in that setting wants more H-1B workers too, I'd be fine with it.

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:47 PM (qHgBB)

If you've ever worked in Silicon Valley, you will note a culture of meritocracy, and it was the most diverse area, demographically, I have ever lived. Africans, Europeans, etc. And those were not just the swallows. And with a meritocracy comes innovation and high pay. There were hispanics, Pakistanis, Indians, Asians. I, average white guy, was in the minority.

I believe, you can have and can promote a healthy H1B program and still put American workers first, by ferreting out the abuses and limiting the number keyed to real world data on industry needs. There is no need for a blanket ban on H1Bs, and it would be silly to think suspending the H1B program (Cruz current position) would do anything other than harm companies ability to innovate.

A smarter way would be to incentivize companies to sponsor American STEM workers, while phasing in restrictions, with the ultimate goal of tightening up the program by tying the H1B program to real world data.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, submariner at February 29, 2016 04:42 PM (3dOE/)

473 Then he will lose a few states in the south.
Posted by: simplemind at February 29, 2016 04:37 PM (JTwsP)

But pick up Provincetown, San Francisco, and Manhattan.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:42 PM (xuouz)

474 Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 04:36 PM (NPofj)

There are now some polls that show all Rs including Trump beating her.

Try RCP, and Huffpo.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 29, 2016 04:42 PM (3myMJ)

475 Only retards would not be able to find detailed position statements and plans from Cruz.

And only retards believes Trump has stated a clear position other than platitudes on any position.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at February 29, 2016 04:42 PM (ZLAox)

476
You don't think it's significant that the
probable GOP nominee called for and said he welcomed any effort by Nancy
Pelosi to impeach GWB.

He's not getting my vote.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at February 29, 2016 04:38 PM (ZLAox)

You don't seem to get it. We've lost credibility on this issue. Trying to pick out small parts of the narrative that were wrong and point at them and say 'see, see we were right about that very small inconsequential point' isn't going to even be noticed. The greater truth is that what Bush did in the ME is in retrospect a disaster, and arguing over details is for losers.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 04:42 PM (mKAPw)

477 So who was the filthy shit who started the KKK rumor.

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 29, 2016 04:42 PM (mEZce)

478 "I'm no fan of Jackson, but I do not regard him as a bad president or a particularly damaging one."

---

Ahem.

Posted by: Dead Cherokee on the Trail of Tears at February 29, 2016 04:43 PM (rlfds)

479 None of this would have happened if you had all followed my lead and got on the Pataki bandwagon but nnnnooooooo.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at February 29, 2016 04:43 PM (4FKcL)

480

Summary of all news over the last couple months:

Progressives: "Trump is too right-wing!"

Conservatives: "Trump is to left-wing!"

Which leads me to the inescapable conclusion that Trump is going to win the nomination and then the general election by landslides.

Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 04:43 PM (jBuUi)

481 "You should probably never speak of this issue again, it's not a winner for you."

It's easy to find fault in retrospect, but if elected President then Trump will be forced to make life or death decisions based on imperfect information. I hope he likes being called a liar when shit goes sideways. Trump said Bush knew there were no WMD in Iraq. He didn't say Bush had poor intel and made a bad decision. He said Bush lied the US into war. Code Pinko territory.

Oh, and how about taking a few shots at Obama for surrendering a won war to ISIS? Obama succeeded 100% in his effort to rewrite history on Bush and Iraq by willfully and knowingly turning it into a disaster.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at February 29, 2016 04:44 PM (kf2iZ)

482 to left-wing = too left-wing

Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 04:44 PM (jBuUi)

483 I remember watching the Bannana Splits on their first run, haven't seen them since.

Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 04:44 PM (fizMZ)

484 Nope.

Still not voting.

Maybe when Hillary! is perp walked.

Maybe...

Posted by: SMFH at February 29, 2016 04:44 PM (rlfds)

485 Flaming skull!: Indians open tomorrow with our first spring training game.

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 04:44 PM (TxJGV)

486 My son is on month 6 of looking for a chemical engineering job. He lost his job when his plant in SC shut down.

Where ARE all these technical jobs at that we need to import people to do?

Posted by: bergerbilder at February 29, 2016 04:44 PM (IeXP9)

487 this person

Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri

is awful

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 29, 2016 04:44 PM (qCMvj)

488 Hey, let's put shaving cream in Christy's hand and then tickle her nose!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 04:44 PM (kTF2Z)

489 So, reporter's story now on yahoo news but even non-Trump supporters are not falling for it. He stepped 18 inches out of pen or some crap, then said "Eff you" to security (he admits this as it is on camera). waaa

I'd smack him around due to his greasy hair. You know he stinks of dirty hair, dirty underwear, with whiffs of pot and patchouli. harf.

If he ain't pressing charges that is a sign, bro. He squealed and kicked like a piglet in a poke.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 29, 2016 04:45 PM (wAMRL)

490 Flaming skull!: Indians open tomorrow with our first spring training game.

You're just taunting Happy Fun Alex aren't you?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 29, 2016 04:45 PM (1xUj/)

491 If you've ever worked in Silicon Valley, you will note a culture of meritocracy, and it was the most diverse area, demographically, I have ever lived. Africans, Europeans, etc. And those were not just the swallows. And with a meritocracy comes innovation and high pay. There were hispanics, Pakistanis, Indians, Asians. I, average white guy, was in the minority.

I believe, you can have and can promote a healthy H1B program and still put American workers first, by ferreting out the abuses and limiting the number keyed to real world data on industry needs. There is no need for a blanket ban on H1Bs, and it would be silly to think suspending the H1B program (Cruz current position) would do anything other than harm companies ability to innovate.

A smarter way would be to incentivize companies to sponsor American STEM workers, while phasing in restrictions, with the ultimate goal of tightening up the program by tying the H1B program to real world data.
Posted by: flounder

Would it really be so bad for Silicon Valley companies to simply be forced to pay more and eventually that talent will find its way there?

The idea that only foreigners have the skill set necessary to do that level of engineering is almost in the same vein as "jobs Americans won't do" on the lower end.

We'll be fine, and engineers will be better compensated.

If plumbers and electricians started routinely making $200k a year, enough would get in the trade to where you find a healthy equilibrium and wages would come down.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 04:46 PM (MOVsh)

492 Tell Me again why this Guy is leading..... Never mind....

Posted by: donna at February 29, 2016 04:46 PM (/dSsq)

493
I trust very little of what's written in National Review, especially about Trump.

Let's revisit Trump's quote:

As far as Mark is concerned, as far as the visas are concerned, if we need people, they have -- it's fine.

Disney didn't need those H-1B holders.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 29, 2016 04:46 PM (RcpcZ)

494 There are now some polls that show all Rs including Trump beating her.

Try RCP, and Huffpo.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 29, 2016 04:42 PM (3myMJ)

I got that information from RCP... they take an average of all polls and Trump is not anywhere near beating Hillary... in three of the four polls averaged he is losing by 5%, 7% and 1% respectively, in one poll he is 1% ahead.
He will not beat Hillary.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 04:46 PM (NPofj)

495 >>You don't seem to get it. We've lost credibility on this issue. Trying to pick out small parts of the narrative that were wrong and point at them and say 'see, see we were right about that very small inconsequential point' isn't going to even be noticed. The greater truth is that what Bush did in the ME is in retrospect a disaster, and arguing over details is for losers.

Nonsense. Iraq was a relatively stable country when Bush left office. Obama is the one who turned it into a shithole and opened the door to ISIS. Iran was under a crushing sanctions agreement and pretty well bottled up.

It was Obama who lost Egypt, who bombed the shit out of Libya and turned it into a failed state. It was Obama who ignored Syria until it was too late.

The only people who have lost credibility on this issue are the left and the msm who continue to try and rewrite history but facts are a stubborn thing.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 04:46 PM (/tuJf)

496 We haven't had a gun thread proper in a long time on the weekend nudge nudge

Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 04:47 PM (fizMZ)

497 I believe, you can have and can promote a healthy H1B program and still
put American workers first, by ferreting out the abuses and limiting the
number keyed to real world data on industry needs.

The money and political will to implement such controls are not there.

Stop the bleeding. Get the unemployment rate back to reality. Then we can talk about importing new talent.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 04:47 PM (vgERT)

498 Pay them a fair wage and they'll clean out the storm sewer system in L.A..
Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 03:52 PM (mKAPw)

Oh, if only this were true. I appreciate Mike the Dirty jobs guys's work at bringing attention to the trades and jobs in the USA that are needing to be done and are not attracting workers.

1. We have raised at least two generations now who have been brainwashed into believing, along with their parents, that going to college and having a fancy sounding title with a desk and a laptop is the picture of success. It's why we have millions of young adults with no job, part time jobs, barista jobs, etc. and $100,000 of college loan debt for their environmental studies degree or african history degree.
2. Those same adults are not going to be caught dead doing job you described. You could pay them $50 an hour and they won't last a day. Why?
a. We no longer have a wage structure that permits small businesses to hire teenagers to do menial, low skilled jobs and put up with all the grief that comes with hiring minors , but that they can learn to be an employee and to do physical labor.
b. Mom and Dad (with the divorce rate, typically Mom) would be horrified that junior would be doing such a job when he went to fancy college. All her friends would know....Mom (and Dad and Grandma and Grandpa) will pay for food, allow them to live at home, get them a car, pay their insurance, and health insurance(remember age 26?) phone, etc.
c. "Poor people" are smart enough to know that they arent' going to get out of that menial job and move up due to no college degree. They can live without starving on all the endless govt. programs and therefore have no incentive to work, and every disincentive not to work.

I live in farm country. Every farmer I know cannot hire labor, even for 1 or 2 weeks in the summer to bale hay. One hay farmer I know cannot get the local 16 year olds to show up for a day of throwing bales, driving tractors, etc. even though they are paid $10 an hour. Forget the ones over 18, they are all on food stamps, housing support, utility support, etc. and see no reason to sweat in the sun and make $1000.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 29, 2016 04:47 PM (dErES)

499 I believe, you can have and can promote a healthy
H1B program and still put American workers first, by ferreting out the
abuses and limiting the number keyed to real world data on industry
needs. There is no need for a blanket ban on H1Bs, and it would be silly
to think suspending the H1B program (Cruz current position) would do
anything other than harm companies ability to innovate.

A
smarter way would be to incentivize companies to sponsor American STEM
workers, while phasing in restrictions, with the ultimate goal of
tightening up the program by tying the H1B program to real world data.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, submariner at February 29, 2016 04:42 PM (3dOE/)

The H1-B visa program is prone to corruption just like Communism. Doing it harder isn't going to change that. I imagine you know that about Communism, but why can't you make that same connection with other issues? The H1-B visa program only works as intended in unicorn fairy land.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 04:47 PM (mKAPw)

500 Just a preview of how the press will turn on Trump once he's dispatached the other GOP candidates.

As if that was news to anyone. It's what they do.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 04:47 PM (+058L)

501 Does that troll's nic anagram into Mirror Image, etc.?

Posted by: Meremortal at February 29, 2016 04:47 PM (3myMJ)

502 I'm a Trump supporter, and I agree he did flip-flop. The thing is, he flipped in a way that made it the key issue of this campaign, when Cruz and the others simply tried to ignore the issue. Cruz came around big only after Trump made it a signature issue, and then withstood a firestorm of negative publicity and refused to back down. This makes him a more important signifier of the issue's salience than Cruz.

Another problem, is that Cruz is going to be a no sale north of the Mason-Dixon line. I'm sorry, but he will turn off the very white-working class and marginal middle-class voters the GOP needs to win. After Bush, nobody really wants another go at an evangelical with a strong Texas Twang. It's unfair, but that's the way it is.

Posted by: Schaeffer at February 29, 2016 04:48 PM (8t5CA)

503 "Listening to him absolutely mangle the names of
every patriots player during their 2011 superbowl run was a real treat.
Wels Wekler. Rawb Grabowski.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:32 PM"

Did you ever hear Ted Kennedy talking about the home run race in 1997? "I, uh, love watching, uh, Mike Mcgwire and, uh Sammy Soosher."

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 29, 2016 04:48 PM (OD2ni)

504 Summary of all news over the last couple months:

Progressives: "Trump is too right-wing!"

Conservatives: "Trump is to left-wing!"

Which leads me to the inescapable conclusion that Trump is going to win the nomination and then the general election by landslides.
Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 04:43 PM (jBuUi)

Trump to the left!
Trump to the right!
Stand up! Sit down!
Fight! Fight! Fight!

Posted by: The cheerleaders from your high school at February 29, 2016 04:48 PM (s5o+q)

505 Disney didn't need those H-1B holders.

exactly

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 04:48 PM (vgERT)

506 Those that don't believe the Donald on his personal wealth (which is a trivial argument anyway) need to rethink. No one but a multi-billionaire has a Boeing 757 for a personal bizjet.

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 04:49 PM (Fmupd)

507 My son is on month 6 of looking for a chemical engineering job. He lost his job when his plant in SC shut down.

Where ARE all these technical jobs at that we need to import people to do?
Posted by: bergerbilder at February 29, 2016 04:44 PM (IeXP9)

In the EPA kill folder

Posted by: Jen the original at February 29, 2016 04:49 PM (dErES)

508 >>>> So L,Elle. Approximately 117 hours to the next pet thread then???
-----
Ha! RWC, it's one of the few breaks we get around here where people stay on topic and just are happy. Book thread, food thread, gun thread, gardening thread too. Probably all the weekend threads that aren't explicitly political. All of those don't devolve into Trump/ Cruz/ Rubio flame wars.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 04:49 PM (2x3L+)

509 Scooters on busy 2-lane roads.

[ ] No problem

[ ] Good source of pothole filler

Posted by: Kwik poll at February 29, 2016 04:49 PM (gs8be)

510 Ok. I lied like Rubio above that I was napping. Need to nap and recharge due to Hilz virus...where I only have hacking cough at 3am (seriously weird, yet diagnosed with bronchitis). Doc said. Then antibiotic from hell, now another. Odd, refugee virus with no snot (sorry if you are eating). No fever. Just three am coughing fit waking me and terminal bitchy. I told doc I had the Hillary Virus and he laughed. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 29, 2016 04:49 PM (wAMRL)

511 "this person

is awful"

Real piece of work.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 29, 2016 04:50 PM (LA7Cm)

512 514 After Bush, nobody really wants another go at an evangelical with a strong Texas Twang. It's unfair, but that's the way it is.

Posted by: Schaeffer at February 29, 2016 04:48 PM (8t5CA)

People south of the Mason-Dixon aren't crazy about him either, or he'd be on track to beat Trump at least once outside his home state.

Posted by: trev006 at February 29, 2016 04:50 PM (MEHba)

513 So who was the filthy shit who started the KKK rumor.Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA

It was a CNN broadcast. Trump said today he had a shitty earpiece, which ties with what I was saying earlier. It was obvious Trump couldn't understand what was being asked.

But CNN got their 'gotcha' moment, the sleaze balls.

Posted by: mega machines at February 29, 2016 04:50 PM (fbovC)

514 Trump don't flip flop.
He Tommy Bahama Whiskey Slide Sandles.
Luxurious! Classy!

Posted by: Trumpeteers at February 29, 2016 04:50 PM (QM5S2)

515 ace

Nobel for Economics winner Angus Deaton has co-authored a study that's making the rounds about white male morbidity. the paper is here:

http://bit.ly/1RaW7Ey

Lefties are agog, saying gosh this tracks precisely with those who supported Hitler, therefore Trump is a Fascist Leader on the make

Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 04:51 PM (1D4w/)

516 I'll admit that Cruz has filp-flopped on H1-B's -- and now has the right position on them.

No the right position is sure if you pay an American the same wage to train alongside him + admin costs + return home bond.

Cruz is all tougher enforcement of the current fuck up IIRC.

Posted by: DaveA at February 29, 2016 04:51 PM (DL2i+)

517 Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 04:46 PM

I think he beats her and it won't be close.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 29, 2016 04:51 PM (3myMJ)

518 I simply need a blunt instrument to hit the GOP with.

That. IS . all.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 04:35 PM (vgERT)

Then why not hit them with the Constitution and not juvenile "That'll show 'em!...WOOT!" bullshit?Just curious.

Posted by: Bob at February 29, 2016 04:52 PM (aRUb8)

519 I used to like to check in on Drudge, Breitbart and Gateway Pundit.... No more... It is all Trump all the time..... Hard to stomach....

Posted by: donna at February 29, 2016 04:52 PM (/dSsq)

520 515 His brother call Cuba "Cuber" yet he was president.

Posted by: steevy at February 29, 2016 04:52 PM (B48dK)

521 Nonsense. Iraq was a relatively stable country when
Bush left office. Obama is the one who turned it into a shithole and
opened the door to ISIS.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 04:46 PM (/tuJf)

So your actual position is that we should have never left Iraq. That's simply unworkable in the long term, and if you think it is, then you're a moron. This was always going to happen. I said before we left that five years after we were gone it would be as if we were never there. I was wrong it didn't take five years. When you refuse to name the enemy then how can you fight it?

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 04:52 PM (mKAPw)

522 Trump said this in the debate (yeah he criticized Romney for self deport ... oh well, maybe he didn't like Romney.)

"Self-deportation is, people are going to leave as soon as they see others going out. If you look at Dwight Eisenhower in the 1950s, they started moving people out and the rest of them left. Self-deportation, as I really define it, and that's the way I define it, is you're going to get some to go, and the rest are going to go out."

And we should not forget the other part of the job equation is trade. In 1991 Trump was praised in a House committee where he testified/advised, for understanding how we were exporting jobs. That may be a union position, but in that case they are right. Just wrong on some union tactics and connections.

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 29, 2016 04:52 PM (eUbDe)

523 [x ] Good source of pothole filler

Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 29, 2016 04:52 PM (YJmuy)

524 Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri at February 29, 2016 04:45 PM (vClpM)

Fuck off idiot. Don't try to chime in on people having actual conversations like you want to contribute, you're done.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 04:52 PM (xuouz)

525 Oh, shit! Christy is awake.

* Walks away whistling*

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 04:53 PM (kTF2Z)

526 510.

Eventually the wages will become attractive enough that somebody will want to do it.

The idea that if we don't let a huge influx in we'll all starve to death is just not how capitalism works.

Certain business owners want to pay peanut wages for backbreaking labor and the only way to do that is hand our country over to the 3rd world.

Sorry, not interested.

I don't know why anyone would drain septic tanks for a living, but there's no shortage and the price is reasonable.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 04:53 PM (MOVsh)

527 Update: Michelle Malkin was the one who introduced me to the Disney train-your-replacement H1-B scandal.

She was, at least in October, unimpressed by Trump's "double talk" on the issue.

Michelle's always right.
She does her homework.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 29, 2016 04:53 PM (qCMvj)

528 Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 04:42 PM (mKAPw)

The butterfly doesn't get the blame for the hurricane. I'm not a believer in the Chaos Theory when assigning blame.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at February 29, 2016 04:53 PM (ZLAox)

529
>>Just trying to think of an historical figure that I can compare
to Trump, and he kind of reminds me a little of Andrew Jackson.

Ron Popeil.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 04:12 PM (/tuJf)

________
Robin Leach.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 29, 2016 04:53 PM (MIKMs)

530 Trump said Bush knew there were no WMD in Iraq. He didn't say Bush had poor intel and made a bad decision. He said Bush lied the US into war. Code Pinko territory.

Trump went too far. However, while Bush didn't outright "lie" us into war--that is, the claim that he knew there were no WMD's and insisted there were-- he certainly bullshitted us into war with flimsy papers, Ahmed Chalabi and rank speculation, all of which was reinforced with group thinking and heaping obloquy on anyone who dared dissent. I think the GOP should confront that fact. It was also this sort of unchecked group thinking that led to problems like the financial meltdown and FEMA issues. Yes, the Democrats played a role in this, but deliberately blinding yourself did the GOP no favor in dealing with them.

Posted by: Schaeffer at February 29, 2016 04:53 PM (8t5CA)

531 I already have your name, Duke. Too late. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 29, 2016 04:53 PM (wAMRL)

532 510: So true. I used to help bale hay. Back in the 60's it was tough,hot work. Made you appreciate a good job.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 29, 2016 04:53 PM (ucDmr)

533 here is Deaton on Trump and his supporters:

http://bit.ly/1Mav8Yk

so to Deaton & Co., Trump supporters are suicidal middle-aged white males who want a fascist leader to save them

Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 04:53 PM (1D4w/)

534 Did you ever hear Ted Kennedy talking about the home
run race in 1997? "I, uh, love watching, uh, Mike Mcgwire and, uh
Sammy Soosher."
Posted by: Benji Carver at February 29, 2016 04:48 PM

Teddy was probably blitzed at the time.

Mayor Menino was generally sober (at least in public) but seemed to have a bad solder joint on the Brian-to-Mouth Circuit.

He was a corrupt old bastard, but you got the feeling he was still a decent dude. Seeing him at the end of his term as Mayor -- which was also virtually the end of his life -- was pretty sad, even for those who didn't agree with his politics.

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 29, 2016 04:54 PM (D+xyy)

535 >>So your actual position is that we should have never left Iraq. That's simply unworkable in the long term, and if you think it is, then you're a moron. This was always going to happen. I said before we left that five years after we were gone it would be as if we were never there. I was wrong it didn't take five years. When you refuse to name the enemy then how can you fight it?

This may come as a surprise to you be we still have troops in Germany. Got some in Korea too. They have been there since the end of WWII and the Korean War respectively. See if you can figure out why.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 04:54 PM (/tuJf)

536 Disney didn't need those H-1B holders.

exactly
Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 04:48 PM (vgERT)

Cruz or Trump could wrap this election up if one or the other promised to have their DOJ go after

companies that violated the H1B laws with fines and compensation for those displaced.

And mention a few gross violators like Disney, probably Facebook, maybe Google etc.

It's not like these companies are going to provide any support to the GOP or Cruz or Trump.

It's a freebie.

Go all Alinsky on their asses. Like Obama with doctors and insurance companies.

The lower and middle classes would stand up and cheer.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 29, 2016 04:55 PM (0cMkb)

537 >>>> * Walks away whistling*
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 04:53 PM
------
Christy, don't believe this for a minute. It was all Duke's idea! I had nothing to do with it.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 04:55 PM (2x3L+)

538 >>>>Just trying to think of an historical figure that I can compare to Trump, and he kind of reminds me a little of Andrew Jackson.

P.T. Barnum

Posted by: Aviator at February 29, 2016 04:55 PM (c7vUv)

539 @527...yet these Disney folks (some of them) just spoke at the Alabama rally where Senator Sessions endorsed Trump...

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 29, 2016 04:55 PM (wAMRL)

540 Well, for my part, I'm managing my expectations about a Trump presidency.

Still hoping for a skull ferret decimation.

Posted by: DaveA at February 29, 2016 04:55 PM (DL2i+)

541 Trump obviously hates persons of all colors with the exception of persons of no color. Trump said he supports the The Dukes of Hazard which is associated to the KKK. Presdent Obama should punish Trump for this position and insist he drop out of the race for Presdent. Sennator sanders would never say such a thing and then lye about it like that racist anti-americon Trump !!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at February 29, 2016 04:55 PM (KRuzk)

542 Ha,getting an ad about immigrating to Canada.No way,eh.Trudeau is a lighter shaded dumber Obama.

Posted by: steevy at February 29, 2016 04:55 PM (B48dK)

543 The butterfly doesn't get the blame for the hurricane. I'm not a believer in the Chaos Theory when assigning blame.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at February 29, 2016 04:53 PM (ZLAox)

It's not the chaos theory. It's the theory that if you don't go to war with your actual fucking enemy then you cannot win.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 04:56 PM (mKAPw)

544 "The greater truth is that what Bush did in the ME is in retrospect a disaster, and arguing over details is for losers."

Again, Bush handed a relatively stable situation in the ME to Obama. Obama is the one who has blown it up. Obama pouted his way out of a SOF agreement in Iraq. Obama blew up Egypt and Libya. Obama drew and walked away from red lines in Syria.

This should be hammered home again and again. Sure, maybe invading Iraq was a mistake. But on January 20, 2008 it was stabilized with essentially zero US combats deaths month to month. Now it is the breeding ground for ISIS. Iraq is a disaster because Obama wanted it to be a disaster. Obama is such a small, petty man he sacrificed everything we did and the Iraqi people out of spite for Bush.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at February 29, 2016 04:56 PM (kf2iZ)

545

Then why not hit them with the Constitution and not juvenile "That'll show 'em!...WOOT!" bullshit?Just curious.

False choice , Bob. But thanks for playing.

Here's a question for you: how do you "hit" the GOP with the Constitution when they have spent the last 60 years ignoring it?

Hint: The Constitution doesn't scare them.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 04:56 PM (vgERT)

546 Trump gonna take the elections like a college lineman at the Combine running the 40 yard dash!

Yuge! Rug burns!

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 04:57 PM (s5o+q)

547 Can we start referring to Donald as "TFG," or will that be too confusing?

Posted by: VA MK Z at February 29, 2016 04:57 PM (+0aiQ)

548 Those that don't believe the Donald on his personal wealth (which is a trivial argument anyway) need to rethink. No one but a multi-billionaire has a Boeing 757 for a personal bizjet.
Posted by: Soona

I don't think the guy is poor (his dad left a $400 million dollar estate after all) but the idea that you can point at something he owns and say the debate is settled seems premature.

Does he have "Bloomberg" or Perot money where he can cut a $500 million check for a general election?

I personally don't even think he's an actual billionaire.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 04:57 PM (MOVsh)

549 "...if you think it is, then you're a moron."

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 04:52 PM (mKAPw)

You're new around here (I think), so maybe you don't know the extremely generous rules of conduct....but you broke the only one.

Eviscerate his argument, but ad hominem attacks are going to attract unwanted attention from on high.....

As for his argument? He's correct.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 29, 2016 04:58 PM (Zu3d9)

550 Yuge! Rug burns!

Wait! Did this just become a sex thread?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 29, 2016 04:58 PM (1xUj/)

551 490 You're just taunting Happy Fun Alex aren't you?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 29, 2016 04:45 PM (1xUj/)
------------------------------------------------------

As long as she uses the feather tipped and not the steel tipped whip I think we can risk it. It's spring training anyway, and no one takes that super-seriously. I would never taunt her in the regular season.

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 04:58 PM (TxJGV)

552 Mary Cloggenstein is on a roll!

Posted by: Jen the original at February 29, 2016 04:58 PM (dErES)

553 Remember the railing against the GOPe here over the Iran deal? Over TPA/TPP?

Good times. Good times.

Guess who voted for both?

Hint: It wasn't some private citizen from the State of N.Y.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, submariner at February 29, 2016 04:59 PM (3dOE/)

554 Another problem, is that Cruz is going to be a no
sale north of the Mason-Dixon line. I'm sorry, but he will turn off the
very white-working class and marginal middle-class voters the GOP needs
to win. After Bush, nobody really wants another go at an evangelical
with a strong Texas Twang. It's unfair, but that's the way it is.

Posted by: Schaeffer at February 29, 2016 04:48 PM (8t5CA)

That is your assumption based on no evidence... the polls show Cruz can win against Hillary where Trump can't.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 04:59 PM (NPofj)

555 Posted by: Schaeffer at February 29, 2016 04:53 PM (8t5CA)

doesnt matter that Saddam was in violation of the 17 UN resolutions, attempted to assassinate a former USPresident, was unable to account for 200 tons of VX gas or continually fired on aircraft in the no fly zone. That besides being a haven for terrorist training camps. There is also strong evidence he assisted in the first WTC bombing.

But that's all flimsy excuses.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at February 29, 2016 04:59 PM (ZLAox)

556 he began talking up how we had to get the "best people" from around the world to work here.

I'm fine with this in principle, its a great idea to attract the best and brightest to a country. The question is how and why? It ought never be at the expense of citizen workers, it should be in addition to and to assist them in achieving even greater things.

To me, the secret is in immigration rules and enforcement. We need to make sure the rules heavily encourage the best and brightest to get through faster and easier, while making it much harder for no skill troublemakers to get in. That's the right approach.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (39g3+)

As someone who got her permanent residency and then citizenship through the h1b routes, and has been paying taxes since her first year of grad school, and got a very advanced degree in a field that, no matter what anyone says, not many Americans are interested in, I agree with this.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at February 29, 2016 04:59 PM (mBYZv)

557 Posted by: Aviator at February 29, 2016 04:55 PM (c7vUv)

LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 29, 2016 04:59 PM (w4NZ8)

558 Alll those people talking about the jobs Americans won't do leave out one very important qualifier: At that wage.

Labor economics. Glut of labor + not enough work= low wages

Opposite is also true.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 04:59 PM (kTF2Z)

559 Wait! Did this just become a sex thread?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 29, 2016 04:58 PM (1xUj/)

Just trying to elevate the level of discourse.

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 05:00 PM (s5o+q)

560
This may come as a surprise to you be we still
have troops in Germany. Got some in Korea too. They have been there
since the end of WWII and the Korean War respectively. See if you can
figure out why.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 04:54 PM (/tuJf)

That's what you're going with Iraq is just like Germany and S Korea. HAHAHAHAHAHA!11111!!!1!! You should have told me you were going for satire.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 05:00 PM (mKAPw)

561 Nood Trump thread.

Posted by: steevy at February 29, 2016 05:00 PM (B48dK)

562 I used to help bale hay. Back in the 60's it was tough,hot work. Made you appreciate a good job.Posted by: chavez the hugo

Farm next to me is totally automated. Day one machine cuts. Day two hay is swept for drying purposes. Day three automatic baler crosses the field, shitting out bales every quarter mile. Tractor trailer arrives. Bales hoisted by lift truck onto trailer. End of day three.

Posted by: mega machines at February 29, 2016 05:01 PM (fbovC)

563 So here We go again... Trump VS Cruz.... Obviously if You've made a "choice" there is no changing Your mind... I haven't because I truly don't like any of them..... If it comes down to Hillary VS{fill in the name} I'll vote for whomever including the hated Rubio....

Posted by: donna at February 29, 2016 05:01 PM (/dSsq)

564 "I got that information from RCP... they take an average of all polls and Trump is not anywhere near beating Hillary... in three of the four polls averaged he is losing by 5%, 7% and 1% respectively, in one poll he is 1% ahead.
He will not beat Hillary."

Oh shit! RCP??? Its over folks.

Guess Ted Cruz should drop put now then right because he doesn't stand a chance...cause polls.

Amazing how some folks take polls as truth especially when they are for an event 8 months away. Talk about defeatist.

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 05:01 PM (WnCSK)

565 552
Mary Cloggenstein is on a roll!

You want mayo with that?

Posted by: H1B New Delhicatessen at February 29, 2016 05:01 PM (NQmg1)

566 Can we start referring to Donald as "TFG," or will that be too confusing?
Posted by: VA MK Z at February 29, 2016 04:57 PM (+0aiQ)

Yah, that's taken.

Posted by: Pres'nit Styro Columns at February 29, 2016 05:01 PM (s5o+q)

567 Remember the railing against the GOPe here over the Iran deal? Over TPA/TPP?

Good times. Good times.

Guess who voted for both?

Hint: It wasn't some private citizen from the State of N.Y.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, submariner at February 29, 2016 04:59 PM (3dOE/)

Guess who doesn't have their information straight (hint: it rhymes with Plounder).

TPP has not been voted on and Cruz has vowed to vote against it. While Cruz did vote for cloture on TPA, he voted against its passage after his constituents ripped him a new one.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 05:02 PM (NPofj)

568 554 the polls show Cruz can win against Hillary where Trump can't.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 04:59 PM (NPofj)

... like the primary results where Cruz gets his ass kicked by Donald Trump in regions that should be incredibly friendly to him? Super Tuesday will settle this more emphatically, but this is currently and obviously wrong.

Posted by: trev006 at February 29, 2016 05:02 PM (MEHba)

569 As someone who got her permanent residency and then citizenship through the h1b routes, and has been paying taxes since her first year of grad school, and got a very advanced degree in a field that, no matter what anyone says, not many Americans are interested in, I agree with this.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at February 29, 2016 04:59 PM (mBYZv)

Friends of mine have done the same thing, sans with getting an advanced degree when they arrived. One had European military service, and the other had a degree when he arrived. Both have paid taxes in full since day one. Both are now American citizens.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 29, 2016 05:02 PM (dErES)

570 Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 04:56 PM (mKAPw)

We will agree to disagree.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at February 29, 2016 05:02 PM (ZLAox)

571 Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 04:55 PM (2x3L+)

----------

And here I thought we were pals.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 05:03 PM (kTF2Z)

572 Just trying to elevate the level of discourse.
Posted by: filbert

Then I shall join you on the high road, good sir.

There's a girl congressperson from Hawaii whom I'd never heard of but who showed up all over the news channels today.

Hubba hubba!

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 29, 2016 05:03 PM (1xUj/)

573 that's it: i'm voting for Bernie.

Posted by: redc1c4

Just saw a nice new truck at Menards with Bernie stickers.
I'm thinking I've got to get

"Fuck The Commies"
Vaclav Havel

cards for under windshield wipers.

Posted by: DaveA at February 29, 2016 05:03 PM (DL2i+)

574 Liberal friends on facebook:
"If you support Trump, unfriend me."
"If you are my friend, and you support Trump, email, text, call, or I will take you out to dinner. Explain yourself. I need to know why, how you could support this man."
"He is evil incarnate."

Guys, that is your own cognitive dissonance at play. The intensity of your response is a function of YOUR psyche, not his actions or words, which are a mirror image of leftist rhetoric about right-wing figures (urban dictionary: Rick Santorum is a slang word for "the frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is commonly a result of anal sex"; jokes about Sarah Palin's mentally retarded child; etc).

What you are grappling with is the fist of God-Emperor Trump smashing through the carefully constructed shield of lies which has insulated your psyche from confronting the horrors that liberal policies visit on those very people it claims to care for.

Good luck coping with reality over the next 8 months. You're gonna need it.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 05:04 PM (xuouz)

575 Y'all know what baffles me (yes, still not napping)...for eight years politicians have been yapping about the mythical ELEVEN million illegal aliens (and, yep, I still call em what they are). So, we have to assume, that they did not increase population. Yet! Most babies born in America are not white folks or Irish.

More like forty million or so. This does not include the refugees imported, by Baroque, into Amerikka.

Ok. So I sort of saw, in my own little world of Floriduh, that E-Verify seemed to work and self deport. I no longer saw a bazillion trucks of yard crews, nor guy whipping out an inch think wad of cash at TJ Maxx, nor seeing a few mailing remittances wires to Mexico. Ok.

However, to think of a hard-nose Cruz or Trump in office, some might deport out of fear. Amiright? The prisons could be depleted, pronto, if a few cargo planes loaded and dropped across the border in a desert somewhere...after wall built. You know, the MS-13 tattoo guys and gals. Those who we are paying for room and food in jail.

Back when I gave a sheet and got all fired up and stuff, I looked up how much of my taxes were paying for illegals. The studies were old, then, but it said, back in, oh, 2000, each Florida tax payer paid about $9000 a year to educate, provide healthcare, and keep these thugs in jail and not deport. So, just imagine, sixteen years later, what we are all paying for these anchor babies, their baby-daddies in jail, and to provide translators in school for the pretend 14 yr olds who are 30. bah. Need tranq to nap.

ChristyBlinky 2016

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 29, 2016 05:04 PM (wAMRL)

576 cards for under windshield wipers.

Posted by: DaveA at February 29, 2016 05:03 PM (DL2i+)

Flyers must include pictures of those oh-so-well-stocked Venezuelan grocery store shelves.

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 05:05 PM (s5o+q)

577 383 You like Rubio? Have not been paying attention to his rino, self serving traitorous behavior?

Posted by: gonzotx at February 29, 2016 04:24 PM (eV1YV)

Oh, no, ace has paid no attention to that at all. He really, really likes Rubes.

*eyeroll*

Posted by: Donna and V. (lacking ampersands at the present moment) at February 29, 2016 05:05 PM (u0lmX)

578 We will agree to disagree.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at February 29, 2016 05:02 PM (ZLAox)

I was like you. I supported the war and I have the posts to prove it at HA, but there comes a point when you have to say this just didn't work. What we've been doing in the ME under Obama and Bush just hasn't worked. We've never had an achievable goal, and we've never addressed what the real enemy was that we're facing. It's all been a big mistake.

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 05:07 PM (mKAPw)

579 Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 05:02 PM (NPofj)

You keep saying that and I know it's out of support but Cruz did not change his position because of pressure from his constituents. He is still for TPA and if they had not continued the funding for the IM EX ( McConnell liar) and inserted immigration language he would have voted for it.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at February 29, 2016 05:07 PM (ZLAox)

580
Letting in highly educated, skilled H-1B workers

Letting in ANYBODY means another American on the dole. Some of them WILL OD or hang themselves from lampposts.

Posted by: DaveA at February 29, 2016 05:08 PM (DL2i+)

581 "Just a preview of how the press will turn on Trump once he's dispatached the other GOP candidates."

Are any GOP Candidates immune to this treatment?

Of all them, who is best equipped to deal with this?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 05:08 PM (WVsWD)

582 Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 05:07 PM (mKAPw)

I've been nice thus far so take your condescension somewhere else.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at February 29, 2016 05:09 PM (ZLAox)

583 ... like the primary results where Cruz gets his ass
kicked by Donald Trump in regions that should be incredibly friendly to
him? Super Tuesday will settle this more emphatically, but this is
currently and obviously wrong.

Posted by: trev006 at February 29, 2016 05:02 PM (MEHba)

So you position is Cruz is unelectable cause we say so (and based on no evidence) and Trump will beat Hillary because we say so (and based on no evidence).

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 05:09 PM (NPofj)

584 Speaking of polls...

I read somewhere today that re tomorrow's voting, Trump is polling higher in more conservative states and not as high (though still winning) in more moderate states.

That is at odds with a lot of peoples' thinking.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 29, 2016 05:10 PM (3myMJ)

585 I used to help bale hay. Back in the 60's it was tough,hot work. Made you appreciate a good job.Posted by: chavez the hugo

Farm next to me is totally automated. Day one machine cuts. Day two hay is swept for drying purposes. Day three automatic baler crosses the field, shitting out bales every quarter mile. Tractor trailer arrives. Bales hoisted by lift truck onto trailer. End of day three.

Big round bales or square bales?

Square bales paid a nickel a bale, stacked in the barn in the early 70's.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 05:11 PM (+058L)

586 In my brother's computer science (Not IT) graduate program at a major university, EVERYONE, was Asian, mostly FOB, except for a few white guys and a couple of black guys, including my brother. So I am partial to h1 B's for hard fields that a lot of Americans do not seem interested in.

However, I don't trust much Trump says As I am Not sure he has any core beliefs aside from Trump, and even if Cruz does put a moratorium on h1b visas, which would affect my immediate family, I would still support him. The rule of law and the Constitution are very important to me and are key to making America great again.

Sorry about the bizarre capitalization. It's this darn dictation software.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at February 29, 2016 05:12 PM (mBYZv)

587 Of all them, who is best equipped to deal with this?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 05:08 PM (WVsWD)

Cruz... he certainly has dealt with it for long enough. Remember... the man most hated by the Senate. Single-handed cause of the "government shutdown". The reason the Republican party was going to lose and lose big in 2014.

How did that work out for the press and GOPe BTW?

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 05:12 PM (NPofj)

588 Sorry, they were mostly Asian and East Indian, with more Asians I think.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at February 29, 2016 05:13 PM (mBYZv)

589 He dicked over SEIU goons?

Gee, darn, that sure changes my mind about him.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 29, 2016 03:35 PM (ZbV+0)
============================

Remind me: when did joining SEIU involve renouncing American citizenship?

Posted by: SDN at February 29, 2016 05:13 PM (NG7bb)

590
Ron Popeil.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 04:12 PM (/tuJf)

________
Robin Leach.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 29, 2016 04:53 PM (MIKMs)

The ShamWow Guy.

Posted by: Bob at February 29, 2016 05:14 PM (aRUb8)

591 doesnt matter that Saddam was in violation of the 17 UN resolutions, attempted to assassinate a former USPresident, was unable to account for 200 tons of VX gas or continually fired on aircraft in the no fly zone. That besides being a haven for terrorist training camps. There is also strong evidence he assisted in the first WTC bombing.

*The UN didn't seem to care, and refused to endorse the war, so why does that resolution matter? It doesn't.
*The US didn't act on that for over a decade. No one would have accepted that as a Casus Belli in 2003. It was never pushed.
*Wow a third world country had horrible accounting practices. Amazing.
*"Strong evidence" for yet another decade old-incident.

With the exception of the missing VX gas, none of these were ever pushed as justification for the war. Even on that score, the case was made with crummy evidence and hearsay, and any skeptical voice was shouted down with a blizzard of BS, comparing them to Hitler apologists. That you somehow still think the Bush Administration's argument and preparation for war was somehow defensible is not a good sign.

Posted by: Schaeffer at February 29, 2016 05:14 PM (8t5CA)

592 In my brother's computer science (Not IT) graduate program at a major
university, EVERYONE, was Asian, mostly FOB, except for a few white guys
and a couple of black guys, including my brother. So I am partial to
h1 B's for hard fields that a lot of Americans do not seem interested
in.

However, I don't trust much Trump says As I am Not sure he has any
core beliefs aside from Trump, and even if Cruz does put a moratorium on
h1b visas, which would affect my immediate family, I would still
support him. The rule of law and the Constitution are very important to
me and are key to making America great again.

Sorry about the bizarre capitalization. It's this darn dictation software.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at February 29, 2016 05:12 PM (mBYZv)

What if a young student in the process of choosing a field looks at what has happened to American IT workers all over the country and decided to avoid a field that faces so much foreign competition? When asked for advice by young adults entering the tech fields I advice them to consider just that. If they are smart enough to do that job, then don't you think they're smart enough to do some research into competition and expected pay levels, and employment levels?

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 05:17 PM (mKAPw)

593 The thing that we're losing is the assimilation

Now that we've de-assimilated the black population by electing Obama it's time to do the same for women via Hillary.

Posted by: DaveA at February 29, 2016 05:17 PM (DL2i+)

594 Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 05:02 PM (NPofj)

You keep saying that and I know it's out of support but Cruz did not
change his position because of pressure from his constituents. He is
still for TPA and if they had not continued the funding for the IM EX (
McConnell liar) and inserted immigration language he would have voted
for it.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at February 29, 2016 05:07 PM (ZLAox)

It sure seemed like his constituents were giving him holy hell... but there was also the Turtle's lying lies about IM EX and the revelations about the immigration language, too. I am just glad he changed his position and wised up on the advisability of approving trade deals negotiated by this administration.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 05:18 PM (NPofj)

595 False choice , Bob. But thanks for playing.

Here's a question for you: how do you "hit" the GOP with the Constitution when they have spent the last 60 years ignoring it?

Hint: The Constitution doesn't scare them.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 04:56 PM (vgERT)

----- ----- ---Non sequitur.It doesn't matter if it's been ignored for the last 60 years. Your same reasoning could be applied to the border issue."Nothing is going to work because enforcement has been ignored for the last 50 years."
The same solution to both apply. Have someone enforce the existing laws, and have someone well versed, with a track record of knowing, understanding, and fighting for the Constitution.Start there.If not there,...where, in your opinion?

Posted by: Bob at February 29, 2016 05:19 PM (aRUb8)

596 So here We go again... Trump VS Cruz.... Obviously if You've made a "choice" there is no changing Your mind... I haven't because I truly don't like any of them..... If it comes down to Hillary VS{fill in the name} I'll vote for whomever including the hated Rubio....

Nope, sorry. Cruz I'll vote for. Rubio, no way. I don't feel bad about that either, as the Rubots have a #NeverTrump thing going themselves, and that's fine. Rubio has shown himself to be an absolute threat to the nation with his positions on amnesty. Hillary shares that position, but at least you know where she's coming from.

Really, I almost wish the GOPe would steal the nomination, hand it over to Rubio and then reap the utter collapse of support they deserve.

Posted by: Schaeffer at February 29, 2016 05:19 PM (8t5CA)

597 Neweled.

Posted by: bergerbilder at February 29, 2016 05:27 PM (IeXP9)

598 You ever notice that all these free market people, who worship and extol the value of allowing market forces to set prices abandon all that when market forces turn in favor of the employee. When that happens they run to the government and beg them to intervene and import some cheap labor so that market forces might be thwarted and prevent a rise in the cost of labor. .

Posted by: DFCtomm at February 29, 2016 05:27 PM (mKAPw)

599 Just a preview of how the press will turn on Trump once he's dispatached the other GOP candidates.

Anyone else also gets the full load. Trump at least counter-attacks.

Posted by: DaveA at February 29, 2016 05:33 PM (DL2i+)

600 Anyone else also gets the full load. Trump at least counter-attacks.

Posted by: DaveA at February 29, 2016 05:33 PM (DL2i+)

Think the dirt would be comparable? 40 years of slimy business connections with the very people and business tactics Trump is now railing against?

Posted by: Bob at February 29, 2016 05:41 PM (aRUb8)

601 In reference to the comparison between Donald Trump and Andrew Jackson, how many men has Trump killed in duels?

If the answer is "As many as Andrew Jackson" that would be awesome.

Posted by: obnoxious ahole at February 29, 2016 05:51 PM (MpvuV)

602 601
In reference to the comparison between Donald Trump and Andrew Jackson, how many men has Trump killed in duels?

If the answer is "As many as Andrew Jackson" that would be awesome.

Posted by: obnoxious ahole at February 29, 2016 05:51 PM (MpvuV

He killed more. But he killed them softly...with his song...ruined their whole lives with his words.....he killed them softly..with his song.

Posted by: Roberta Flack at February 29, 2016 06:00 PM (aRUb8)

603 502 Wrong. Cruz has been talking about immigration issues and a wall since 2012. Trump in his laziness co-opted his biggest rivals ideas after his slogans and lack of substance began to be questioned and of course as he admitted, when he needed to fire up his rallies. And his only response back to Cruz? You're a liar, a nasty guy, no one likes you. And the cult lapped it up. There are lots of Trump supporters that truly believe he can change everything. I disagree but that's what they believe. Then there's the ones who want to burn it all down. These are not necessarily Trump supporters but they need him. Mark Levin put it best, this isn't populism, this isn't nationalism, it's anarchy. If you don't believe that go to a few other previous conservative sites and the Trump supporters here are pussycats compared to them. This is their war, not in the streets, they want to bring it all down at the voting box and they no more support Trump than the man in the moon.

Posted by: Whippet at February 29, 2016 09:03 PM (YwQCs)

604 People arguing Trump electability are funny. This is the guy who on tape said HRC was a great secretary of state AFTER Benghazi. Hill is going to play that tape on loop every time he tries to criticize her.

Posted by: melle1228 at February 29, 2016 10:00 PM (lmtji)

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