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Trump's Off-the-Record Interview With the New York Times: Is He A Lot More Flexible, and a Lot Less Hard-Line, on Immigration Than He's Telling Conservative Voters?
Given that this is his signature issue, and the only thing I personally would entertain voting for him on, I'd sure like to know if this is true.
The New York Times can't release the off-the-record transcripts-- but Donald Trump could, and he could give them permission to do so. Of course, I don't think he will. Ben Smith, at Buzzfeed:On Saturday, columnist Gail Collins, one of the attendees at the meeting (which also included editor-in-chief Dean Baquet), floated a bit of speculation in her column:All candidates are taking a strategic position on immigration: Rubio is pretending that he'll actually secure the border before rushing to grant amnesty (he won't). Cruz is saying he is against legalization "now and forever." Trump is claiming he'll deport 11 million people before letting most of them back in through a Big Beautiful Door. As far as the immigration hard-line goes, I imagine there's going to be some bargaining on this. But I'd like to know just how flexible the guy running as a "deal-maker," the guy who says "you have to be a little bit establishment," is on his signature issue.Sources familiar with the recording and transcript --which have reached near-mythical status at the Times -- tell me that the second sentence is a bit more than speculation. It reflects, instead, something Trump said about the flexibility of his hard-line anti-immigration stance. So what exactly did Trump say about immigration, about deportations, about the wall? Did he abandon a core promise of his campaign in a private conversation with liberal power brokers in New York? ... "If [Trump] wants to call up and ask us to release this transcript, he's free to do that and then we can decide what we would do," Rosenthal said.
The most optimistic analysis of Trump as a presidential candidate is that he just doesn’t believe in positions, except the ones you adopt for strategic purposes when you’re making a deal. So you obviously can't explain how you’re going to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants, because it's going to be the first bid in some future monster negotiation session.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: dealkiller at February 29, 2016 02:19 PM (eNtNY)
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 02:20 PM (qHgBB)
Their starting points will be to the extreme left. Trump may simply on occasion bend in that direction.
Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 02:21 PM (jBuUi)
GET IT!
Posted by: CozMark at February 29, 2016 02:22 PM (CbGSW)
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at February 29, 2016 02:22 PM (n/ogz)
Posted by: Ken in NH at February 29, 2016 02:23 PM (6qAvd)
*presume don't support Trump signaling here - a nice turquoise signal this time*
Well slap my ass and call me Nancy, I would never ever ever suspect that a person who has said publicly for ages that you stake out the maximal position on an issue in order to have room to negotiate would, get this, stake out a maximal position on an issue in order to have room to negotiate.
The. Hell. You. Say.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think Trump has positions or preferences or ideas or notions or thoughts as such or anything more than random synapse firing on this or any other topic. But c'mon. This is straight up Art Of The Deal crap.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 02:23 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: donna at February 29, 2016 02:24 PM (/dSsq)
He'll still win the nomination going away.
Posted by: gewa76 at February 29, 2016 02:24 PM (9MbCY)
Posted by: Burn It Down
What we're seeing here is professional-level "concern trolling."
Of course the NYT wants Trump to be as flexible as possible on immigration; but they know that his supporters wont be. So the Times breaks out the fainting couch at the very thought he could bend! Oh, how shocking!
They themselves of course don't mind. They're trying to dissuade his voters.
Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 02:24 PM (jBuUi)
There is going to be a lot of bogus stuff floating around, in an attempt to influence this election. Might be wise to withhold judgment until something more concrete comes up. (As in the case of the bogus David Duke endorsement. Looks like the media couldn't bother to actually ask Duke about it.)
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 29, 2016 02:25 PM (5HBd1)
Don't expect salvation from a politician.
The same people who brought us Obama are bringing us Trump.
Posted by: Iblis at February 29, 2016 02:25 PM (9221z)
free to do that and then we can decide what we would do," Rosenthal
said.>>>
Not arguing for or against Trump. This seems like an odd position (or statement to print) for the paper to take if it wants to get any more Off the record interviews from anybody.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 29, 2016 02:25 PM (XtAzU)
Posted by: wooga at February 29, 2016 02:25 PM (mV/kV)
Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 02:26 PM (TxJGV)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 29, 2016 02:27 PM (0q2P7)
I don't think Trump has ever called for a 500% increase in H1B visas, either.
When you know your opponent is leading -- and, in many polls, increasing his lead -- it's time to make insinuations about the size of his wang, accuse him of Mafia connections, and toss out vague hints that he not all he's cracked up to be. Especially when your editorial position leans toward keep the borders wide open.
Posted by: MrScribbler at February 29, 2016 02:27 PM (D+xyy)
Them.... We want immediate Amnesty and MORE immigration...
Me... OK... I want to round them all up, and use a catapult to shoot them over the big huge wall I'm going to build...
Them... you can't do that! Big Meanie Head!!! OK... lets let dreamers stay... and kick out the bad guys...
Me... no... OK... I won't use a Catapult... but they gotta leave.. and we'll let the nice ones back in eventually...
Eventually.... we compromise on actually USING the Existing Laws already on the books, which will force many illegals to leave... and give more resources to actually do it... with no Amnesty....
But the end result would be many less illegals in this country.
Its the Art of the Deal...
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 02:27 PM (RK8AH)
Posted by: donna at February 29, 2016 02:27 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian at February 29, 2016 02:27 PM (3dOE/)
Trump has already signaled he would make deals. The best deals, great deals. This will not affect his standing on immigration with his supporters. Not with Sessions endorsement now.
For me, I fully expect Trump to in no way deliver on immigration as his supporters think he will. To the extent a deal is made it will be worse than a deal that Rubio would make because a Rubio deal would be severely scrutinized. A Trump deal may not since it is a Trump deal.
Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 02:27 PM (gmeXX)
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The fact that he's been braying about suing them probably provided further incentive as well.
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 02:27 PM (qHgBB)
Posted by: Lincolntf at February 29, 2016 02:28 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 02:28 PM (TJCSB)
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches
*volunteers*
If possibly leaving himself some wiggle room on immigration is possibly disqualifying then everything Trump said this weekend should be absolutely disqualifying.
But we don't live in that world anymore and nobody seems to be Trump-persuadable in either direction.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 29, 2016 02:28 PM (1xUj/)
And in the General election they'll switch right back to Hillary!
Posted by: donna at February 29, 2016 02:29 PM (/dSsq)
8 Billion and Mexico is going to pay for it.
I don't care what Vivica Fox says!
Posted by: The Donald Drumpf at February 29, 2016 02:29 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: The Donald Drumpf at February 29, 2016 02:30 PM (mcm0N)
His "build a wall" line was a loss leader...that crazy thing you promote to get the marks on the lot so you can sell them. And when you get there it's all sold out.
Posted by: brak at February 29, 2016 02:30 PM (MJuTN)
Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 02:30 PM (jBuUi)
His supporters don't care that he doesn't actually believe any of it. They just appear to like what they hear and cant be bothered to think about weather or not he'll actually follow through with anything.
Posted by: Dr. Mr. Badman at February 29, 2016 02:30 PM (KdPei)
Posted by: Furious George at February 29, 2016 02:31 PM (3GAnN)
Posted by: The Donald Drumpf at February 29, 2016 02:31 PM (mcm0N)
So what exactly did Trump say about immigration, about deportations, about the wall? Did he abandon a core promise of his campaign in a private conversation with liberal power brokers in New York?
Golly gee whiz, Wally. Somebody could oh, I don't know, maybe ask some questions and then report what was said.
There should be a word for that...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 29, 2016 02:31 PM (LUgeY)
Sessions helped him formulate his immigration policy and advised him for months, there's even crossover in Trump's staff and Sessions' own. Unfortunately Trump can't tip his hand on how low he's willing to go otherwise he'd lose all leverage, so we'd have to guess where the middle would be.
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 02:31 PM (qHgBB)
Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 02:31 PM (TxJGV)
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 29, 2016 02:31 PM (t2KH5)
Posted by: They Can't Have My French Fries at February 29, 2016 02:32 PM (MDr17)
If you dig into Hillary's "impressive" beating of an old Jew from a snow state in the southern plantation of South Carolina, Democratic white turnout was down 40%, black turnout was down 20%, from 2008. Meanwhile Republican turnout was up a lot. This pattern can hold in the general. Hillary has high negatives which can be driven up, so her turnout will be down. Her core base is actually relatively small.
So Trump can win Ohio and Michigan and Nevada and New Hampshire, etc. He already has a lock on Florida. Force Hillary to fight in NY where she's very beatable and it's game over.
The NY Post story is by Fred Dicker who's the best journalist around on NYS political matters, so it's legitimate.
But go ahead and beat on Trump, thinking that Cruz might have a shot in the general, and that Rubio is something more than a glib first term Senator who's sunk to the level of doing dick jokes.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 29, 2016 02:33 PM (r1fLd)
I build things and you can't get Americans to build it--trust me on this.
We might have to ship in some Pollacks!
Posted by: The Donald Drumpf at February 29, 2016 02:33 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: x at February 29, 2016 02:33 PM (nFwvY)
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They might still be right zombie.
Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 02:33 PM (TxJGV)
Posted by: Furious George at February 29, 2016 02:31 PM (3GAnN)
With no K-Y or reach-around.
Posted by: Iblis at February 29, 2016 02:34 PM (9221z)
Posted by: IC at February 29, 2016 02:34 PM (a0IVu)
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Is it wholly possible at all to criticize Trump without insulting the intelligence of his supporters?
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 02:34 PM (qHgBB)
OTOH, I'm beginning to agree that there's absolutely nothing that will get his supporters to drop him...
Posted by: Countrysquire at February 29, 2016 02:34 PM (eEBON)
Same is true here. If Trump doesn't answer this call to release the 'whole interview,' the assumption will be he is lying about his immigration position. If he does release the interview, they will find something to hang him on. ANY fluctuation. Any word they can twist.
Look, I am totally okay if he says something about deporting them in 'waves' or deporting the worst ones first or allowing for illegals to leave and then 'come back in.' These are all fine with me. I'm also okay with him saying our goal is to deport them all, but with the court system being so clogged, it might be hard. All of these things are fine.
I still would like someone to explain why, if a man is getting a huge following for his immigration comments and other things, he would then get into office and completely betray that? Trump likes to be liked. Especially by the little guy. He talks about it all the time...how he gets along better with cab drivers and doormen. So this idea that Trump secretly wishes to betray all of the voters who are coming out in droves to see him just doesn't work for me. He would instantly go from a beloved candidate and president, to the most hated man in America. Sorry. Doesn't gibe with me.
Posted by: K-E at February 29, 2016 02:34 PM (OV2w5)
Not too thrilled with the Let It Burn concept either. I have children, nieces, and nephews
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at February 29, 2016 02:34 PM (SCcgT)
All we need to do to solve the illegal immigration issue, is actually use the full force of Government to find and prosecute them for the laws they already break.
ICE should have access to the IRS database... State Officials should have access to Immigration records... and ID databases... so they can actively prosecute Identity theft.
Its also still a Felony to knowingly aid and abet an illegal to stay in this country.... so prosecute Sanctuary Cities for Conspiracy.
Its all possible under EXISTING Law, if we had a President and AG who would actually ENFORCE the law.
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 02:36 PM (RK8AH)
If you're super isolationist/pro-deportation, I guess. If the only acceptable position for you is nothing less stringent than what Trump was saying, I can see how it's a bad thing.
But even if he's willing to make a deal at some point, we don't know what his end point is. If (for the sake of argument), his real position is something like Cruz and he's just taking the hardline right now for the sake of getting a better deal, if you care about immigration, I don't think this realistically lowers him that much for you. You want some move to the right(?) on that issue. And Trump's public position at the extreme gives you the best overall outcome, because regardless of what he actually believes is necessary, the outcome is going to be closer to that than if you start off with a more modest goal.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 29, 2016 02:36 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 02:36 PM (TxJGV)
Is it wholly possible at all to criticize Trump without insulting the intelligence of his supporters?
++++++++++
When his supporters don't seem to be able to notice that they're being had in a con?
Posted by: Dr. Mr. Badman at February 29, 2016 02:36 PM (KdPei)
I imagine Mr. Trump's henchmen will be planting stories like this to hide his white supremacist ties.
Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at February 29, 2016 02:37 PM (Ui7Rt)
If Trump does 25% of what he says he will do on immigration, it will still be 10000% more than what the GOPe has done in the past 30 years.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 29, 2016 02:37 PM (0LHZx)
Cheer up. Maybe there will just be a flash, and none of us will even know what happened.
Posted by: gewa76 at February 29, 2016 02:38 PM (9MbCY)
#FireCan'tMeltHair
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 02:38 PM (TJCSB)
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Then again it is the Republican party. They will be eating their cucumber sandwiches right up until the revolution sweeps them away.
Posted by: Chicago Vota at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM (mPQ7K)
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So you think Sessions is an idiot too?
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM (qHgBB)
sure but if he's already told the NYT he means little of this that makes Cruz the actual hardliner on immigration.
Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM (dciA+)
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Yes, but we are basically in a stalemate. You either support Trump or you don't. You aren't changing your mind now.
I'm in the don't support camp. There is nothing I could say that would get people to switch their vote. I see no reason to insult people for being in the pro-camp. I can even understand it a little bit. But I think you all are dead wrong to support him.
Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Weasel at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM (6xtq3)
I don't believe any paraphrase by any NYT employee.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the 'Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat' label at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM (eytER)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM (HSmrB)
And if you've lost folks like me (!) (seriously: !), just how the heck is Trump going to win?
17 candidates (17!), and we've picked the absolute worst one imaginable.
Posted by: Exile on Trump Street at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM (Y8P5w)
if only there were some other candidate who actually fought the Gang of Eight....
Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM (dciA+)
Wait... wait... someone already left that pile of crap on his head, I'd feel pretty bad about making things worse.
But seriously... he's terrible.
Posted by: Truimph the Insult Comic Commenter at February 29, 2016 02:40 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: derit at February 29, 2016 02:40 PM (OC+TJ)
Posted by: Global Warming made Hillary a crook at February 29, 2016 02:40 PM (ZufZo)
Now, don't you worry your little heads about the details.. I got it covered!
Posted by: Donald J Trump at February 29, 2016 02:40 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 02:41 PM (TJCSB)
Because we don't give a damn what Trump believes.
We care who Trump is - Not GOPe - and what Trump will do.
Trump's already taken fire for taking our side and pushing the discussion in a better direction for America as a nation. He's making steps in the right direction, which signals Trump will do right by us.
Will that play out? Who knows, but Trump's winning because he's already accomplished more than anyone else in the GOP field.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 02:41 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: DaveA at February 29, 2016 02:41 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Mister Ghost at February 29, 2016 02:41 PM (8hxbD)
Posted by: Sam in VA at February 29, 2016 02:41 PM (bNi5D)
I will vote for him, but I expect it to be over by Illinois.
Posted by: Chicago Vota at February 29, 2016 02:42 PM (mPQ7K)
you just answered your own question, dude.
There are more people buying into the liberal "be nice to the illegals" position than the hardline position. Ergo, someone who likes to be liked will be sorely tempted to please the larger bloc.
Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 02:42 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 02:42 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: votermom at February 29, 2016 02:42 PM (cbfNE)
but more flexible than Cruz
Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 02:42 PM (dciA+)
Just the ugly ones.
Only Beautiful People in Trump's Bigly Great America.
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 29, 2016 02:42 PM (fQ/0p)
So you think Sessions is an idiot too?
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM (qHgBB)
Actually???? I see Trump / Sessions 2016 as the ticket that would cement the election....
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 02:42 PM (RK8AH)
he could be refusing to hand Hillarity a straight line that could amp turnout.
He might realize that we don't have to embark on a deportation sweep. Enforce existing laws, tax the everluving fuck out of money going aborad, and deny benefits to illegals. Arkansas already showed the way on this.
Do I trust trump? No.
Posted by: Blue Hen at February 29, 2016 02:43 PM (326rv)
I don't see why this is a negative. What it really shows is that Rubio and Cruz are less savvy. Cruz is now meekly stating that he's in favor of deporting a few illegals. Where do you think he's going to end up after the Dems and Donors push back?
Posted by: joeclark77 at February 29, 2016 02:43 PM (wCzNQ)
Moronic troll...
Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 02:43 PM (WnCSK)
I did this on my own for NYS awhile back by county. 40% of NYS voters are upstate. Trump wins if (1) upstate turnout increases and it breaks strongly for Trump, (2) Trump wins NYC suburbs, which recent polls says he will, and (3) you have lower NYC turnout compared with 2012.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 29, 2016 02:43 PM (r1fLd)
You know what's funny? I think the Times could lay out their evidence of equivocation and political posturing and Trump would then deny it or explain it... and he'd lose zero votes.
People are pissed. Trump gets this. He has said that since he started doing these rallies, he's been empowered and impressed by the folks. That could be enough for a squish position to get firmed up over several months. I have to believe his crowds and energy would firm up a spine a bit going forward.
Posted by: Yip at February 29, 2016 02:43 PM (e7T6D)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 02:43 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: The Donald Drumpf at February 29, 2016 02:43 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 29, 2016 02:43 PM (mEZce)
Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM
That's a damn big "if," ace. Even Ben Smith couldn't make his article really relate to the headline: "what Trump" told the NY Times" is not stated, not really even hinted at, and certainly not expressed in a direct quote.
Smith is trolling. Plenty of room there for reader interpretation; in fact, there's nothing else in the "story."
Posted by: MrScribbler at February 29, 2016 02:44 PM (D+xyy)
I TOLD YOU ITOLD YOU
NOW WE AREGONNA DIE NEXT TIME LISTEN TO ME ...BUT THERE WONT BE A NEXT TIME ITS OVER OVER OVER AND I WAS RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT
Posted by: Hutterite Dude at February 29, 2016 02:44 PM (ATy0Q)
Posted by: Chicago Vota at February 29, 2016 02:44 PM (mPQ7K)
Posted by: Bananarama at February 29, 2016 02:44 PM (XtAzU)
Has anyone asked the interviewee what he meant? Or are people going to assign their own meaning? Because if the latter then I don't need the columnist, the interviewer, or the interviewee. I can do it all by myself.
Rather efficient, that.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 02:44 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 02:44 PM (fizMZ)
Posted by: Exile on Trump Street
Was he the worst of the 17? Some of them suck(ed) pretty damn bad. I watched a battle for the basement.
Posted by: Blue Hen at February 29, 2016 02:45 PM (326rv)
Sure I want people who don't belong here gone. Or burdened with retroactive taxation and punishing fines and penalties. Such a level of dollars due they could never hope to repay in a lifetime. They'll leave then, quietly.
Nobody really expects door to door round ups, do they?
Posted by: mega machines at February 29, 2016 02:45 PM (fbovC)
Posted by: Blue Hen at February 29, 2016 02:43 PM (326rv)
FIFY.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 02:45 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Don Quixote
............
Are you shitting me? Another old white guy..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 02:45 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 02:43 PM
As far as this story goes, Trump's not "playing" anything.
Ben Smith is playing. With himself.
Posted by: MrScribbler at February 29, 2016 02:45 PM (D+xyy)
Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 29, 2016 02:45 PM (mEZce)
Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 02:45 PM (Fmupd)
If it was that person would be leading.
Posted by: DaveA at February 29, 2016 02:46 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 02:46 PM (ATy0Q)
Posted by: The Donald Drumpf at February 29, 2016 02:46 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: Trumpelstiltskin at February 29, 2016 02:46 PM (H9MG5)
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Honest question. What fire has Trump taken?
Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 02:46 PM (gmeXX)
but more flexible than Cruz
Posted by: ace a
We're getting all jumbled up in the primary-vs-general strategizing.
Of COURSE I (and most people here) are going to vote for Cruz in the primary. But in all likelihood it will be futile. By the time I vote in June, for example, the race for the nom will likely already be over anyway.
This article is based on the presumption that Trump will will the primary.
The NYT is looking toward the general election already and trying to suppress Trump's support in November.
Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 02:46 PM (jBuUi)
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There's no better alternative. I wish people would stop acting like Jesus Christ resurrected Ronald Reagan and he's in the race again as a viable alternative to Trump.
Rubio is a traitor, Cruz is unelectable. Anyone else you'd care to suggest?
I remember being in the anyone but Romney camp. I absolutely could not stand that fuck, but I voted for him anyway. I will not do that ever again. No more establishment candidates, so I would either pull the lever for Cruz or Trump.
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 02:46 PM (qHgBB)
Because when it comes to facts and the truth about Republicans, Gail's the go-to gal for the straight skinny at the NYT. /s
I wonder how it would play if Hillary staggered into a meeting with the NYT's op-ed board and gave them an off-the-record interview about her email server scandal.
Posted by: mrp at February 29, 2016 02:46 PM (JBggj)
You are 100% crazy.
Not only that, she ignored an Ambassador in Libya pleading for help. Imagine her in charge of the military, our weapons systems, the IRS, you name it...SCARY.
Trump is a businessman. Not a politician. He may be out for himself, but as he said in a speech not too long ago, "What's good for Trump is good for the American people." He is CORRECT. Even if all of his policies are completely predicated on benefiting himself, they will also help average Americans. So there is nothing that scares me about a President Trump.
I saw what Bill did to the presidency. The satellite technology he gave away to the Chinese. The selling of the Lincoln Bedroom to the highest bidder. Hillary is much much worse.
Posted by: K-E at February 29, 2016 02:46 PM (OV2w5)
They were right about conservatism in 1955, right about in 2015.
Or, ya know, you can choose to believe in Alex Jones' stories about Marco's "foam parties."
I'm just hoping that Gary Johnson gets at least 10% of the vote this year, so something decent comes out of the destruction of the republican party and coming administration of Caligula's Horse.
Posted by: Leo Spaceman at February 29, 2016 02:46 PM (AcoCn)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 29, 2016 02:46 PM (wtvvX)
I hope I'm wrong, and I certainly could be wrong, but that is what it looks like to me at the moment.
Posted by: charris at February 29, 2016 02:47 PM (s8M9z)
That is correct, sir. I see from your nom de plume you hail from the Old Dominion. If so, I will be cancelling your vote tomorrow, as long as the voting officials allow brownshirt-wearing Virginians into the booth...
Posted by: General Zod at February 29, 2016 02:47 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Blue Hen at February 29, 2016 02:43 PM (326rv)
FIFY.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
I'm Blue Hen and I endorse this FIFY.
Posted by: Blue Hen at February 29, 2016 02:47 PM (326rv)
Melissa will corner the market selling spray bottles of anti-round-up door to door!
Posted by: derit at February 29, 2016 02:48 PM (OC+TJ)
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Um ... No.
Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 02:48 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 29, 2016 02:48 PM (wtvvX)
Obama is going to declare martial law and be preezy for life.
And if that doesn't happen, we're going to all get killed by a direct collision with Planet X.
Or there will be a fake hologram UFO/ alien takeover and we'll all be made slaves by the NWO.
Posted by: The Tinfoil Hat Crowd at February 29, 2016 02:48 PM (7FH+T)
If extremist anti-immigrant Sen. Sessions worked closely with Cruz and then decided to throw his white supremacist endorsement to Mr. Trump, that probably means Cruz is less extreme than we previously thought.
Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at February 29, 2016 02:49 PM (Ui7Rt)
You know, I'm sure Trump is very, very familiar with how "accurate" the Times has been in reporting on his business dealings in the past, so I'm sure he spoke to them with all possible candor and didn't hedge or use language that suffers from specificity and detail.
OTOH, Trump is kinda dumb sometimes.
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 29, 2016 02:49 PM (fQ/0p)
It has nothing to do with Clinton not properly responding to:
The Khobar Towers
The First Worl Trade Center bombing.
The Bombing of the USS Cole.
The Bombings of the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.
Posted by: The Donald Drumpf at February 29, 2016 02:49 PM (mcm0N)
>>>I don't think Trump has positions or preferences or ideas or notions or thoughts as such or anything more than random synapse firing on this or any other topic. But c'mon. This is straight up Art Of The Deal crap.
sure but if he's already told the NYT he means little of this that makes Cruz the actual hardliner on immigration.
Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM (dciA+)
The hardliner who flip-flops on H1Bs, when he sees Trump making political hay out of immigration? That hardliner?
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian at February 29, 2016 02:49 PM (3dOE/)
I expect him to disappoint me less than the GOP.
He has a really really low bar to hurdle.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 02:49 PM (uURQL)
You don't really believe Trump gives a crap what people think of him, do you? Trump is all about Trump. He doesn't give a sh!t about this country or anyone in it. He wants to be the big cheese, and he'll say anything to get that spot. And besides, he so freakin' perfect, that whatever he does will be great. Really, really great. You won't believe how great it's gonna be. That I can tell you.
Posted by: IrishEi at February 29, 2016 02:49 PM (E6RIJ)
Article says that Lynch is being put in a tough spot, if Comey sends a felony criminal referral. But easy answer is for Lynch to leak it.
The lede up top is "why shouldn't Trump tell the World about something he may have said to the NYT off-the-record." Why isn't any one insisting that Hillary say whether her or any of her minions have been interviewed or subpoenaed by the FBI/DOJ?
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 29, 2016 02:50 PM (r1fLd)
You must be joking. Sorry...which multi-billion dollar corporation do you run?
Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 02:50 PM (WnCSK)
So the only thing left for him would be the weak form of GOP destruction.
Trump's gruel is turning into weaksauce.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 29, 2016 02:50 PM (Wckf4)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 02:50 PM (TJCSB)
Posted by: that guy that always thinks we're boned at February 29, 2016 02:50 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 02:50 PM (JOWmw)
Trump, shortly thereafter: Well, of course I am not a good friend of Schumer, Pelosi, Reid, and the Clintons. Despite all of the money I've given them over the years.
Pretty clear that The Donald never took Logic 101 at either Fordham or Wharton.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 02:50 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: 4Q2 at February 29, 2016 02:50 PM (NQmg1)
Trust? No.
But what I like best about Trump?
He pisses off all the right people.
Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at February 29, 2016 02:50 PM (IQI2h)
Except for the portion the columnist released. Just that little tidbit. Certainly no other columnist will release any other little portion of that interview.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 02:51 PM (hLRSq)
Repeat at state and local level
Posted by: Chicago Vota at February 29, 2016 02:51 PM (mPQ7K)
This means absolutely ZERO at this point. We still have 5 candidates running so support is not solidified.
Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 02:51 PM (WnCSK)
Posted by: Dr Spank
Ah, polls. Well, that's decided then.
/s
Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 02:51 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Joe Mama at February 29, 2016 02:51 PM (NQmg1)
Posted by: Triumph the Insult Comic Commenter at February 29, 2016 02:51 PM (H9MG5)
The bad news is he loves himself more.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 29, 2016 02:52 PM (TcePY)
>>He pisses off all the right people.
If he's elected, pretty good chance he pisses you off.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 02:52 PM (/tuJf)
Vote for us again; we can assure you that we'll screw you over. You racist, wackobird, teapartying peasants.
Posted by: The Stupid Party at February 29, 2016 02:52 PM (326rv)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 02:52 PM (evdj2)
Yes. I have it on good authority from right here at AOSHQ that Trump is in fact Hitler.
Not a Hitler but the actual Hitler. Adolph in the flesh. For real.
Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 02:52 PM (ATy0Q)
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 02:52 PM (WVsWD)
I guess I'll go with Jeff Sessions.
Deportation is easy. Shut off welfare and other benefits and threaten jail time for employers hiring illegals.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 02:52 PM (TcGpp)
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After last night's Oscar appearance, its only a matter of time until Joe Biden jumps in.
Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 02:52 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at February 29, 2016 02:50 PM
So does Cruz.
Posted by: IrishEi at February 29, 2016 02:52 PM (E6RIJ)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 29, 2016 02:52 PM (Wckf4)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 29, 2016 02:53 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Badda Bing at February 29, 2016 02:53 PM (gxIP7)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 02:53 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 02:53 PM (JOWmw)
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 29, 2016 02:50 PM (r1fLd)
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You're like me, in fondly remembering the good old days when we still had a free press that liked scoops speaking truth to power.
Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 02:53 PM (TxJGV)
Hahahahahahahaha......
Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 29, 2016 02:53 PM (TcePY)
General-election polling this far out is astrology crossed with homeopathy.
At this point in 1980, what advance general-election polling would have predicted would be Poppy Bush as the nominee, losing to Carter by fifteen points.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 02:53 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 02:53 PM (kTF2Z)
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It's the truth. He cannot win a general election, and I say that as someone who usually rebuffs the notion that someone is too conservative to win a general election.
Cruz can't win not because he's too conservative but because his campaign sucks monkey's ass and balls, plus he doesn't have the know-how to overcome his perceived "unlike-ability."
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 02:53 PM (qHgBB)
Posted by: Chicago Vota at February 29, 2016 02:54 PM (mPQ7K)
Why would Trump adopt Romney's plan after calling it mean and stupid?
Oh yea, cause everything Donald says has a shelf life of about 15 minutes.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 02:54 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 02:54 PM (TJCSB)
Yes we know. Policies don't matter, just what he says. That always works out well.
"We care who Trump is - Not GOPe - and what Trump will do."
Well if he doesn't believe in the things you think he does- like illegal immigration- how can you know what he will do? I mean he's already hired illegal immigrants, so why would he actually do something about that?
"Trump's already taken fire for taking our side and pushing the discussion in a better direction for America as a nation. He's making steps in the right direction, which signals Trump will do right by us. "
You have no idea if that is true, and based on world and Trumps history, he won't.
"Will that play out? Who knows, but Trump's winning because he's already accomplished more than anyone else in the GOP field."
He's accomplished nothing other than fooling a lot of people. It's the same as Obama.
Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at February 29, 2016 02:54 PM (jTy8z)
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Romney did the best in general election polling during the primaries. How'd that work out for us?
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 02:54 PM (qHgBB)
Posted by: Badda Bing at February 29, 2016 02:54 PM (gxIP7)
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Flashback to March 2008....McCain was beating Obama by 1-4 points depending on the poll.
Good times, good fucking times.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (Kucy5)
Why would Trump adopt Romney's plan after calling it mean and stupid?
Oh yea, cause everything Donald says has a shelf life of about 15 minutes.
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This from the same guy who said no one would die in the street under his watch.
Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (evdj2)
You don't.
If I've said it once I've said it at least four or five times: reach out a hand to his supporters and help give them the constitutional ballast they are legitimately lacking. There is no one else. We are going to need more than memes and narratives to repair the republic and steer it safely through the next 5 years.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (xuouz)
Repeat at state and local level
Posted by: Chicago Vota
...............
Mitt was right.. you don;t need to chase down illegals or even fine them.
You fine their employers.. big time.. $1000 per day per illegal. When they are all out on their asses with no jobs, they will leave.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (so+oy)
Responding irrationally....
Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 02:56 PM (WnCSK)
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at February 29, 2016 02:56 PM (NHtMs)
Whatever media frenzy he got remarks on illegals and the border wall (RAYCISS), "banning Muslims" (ZOMG RAAAAYCIS), lost business deals for his un-PC remarks.
http://fortune.com/2015/12/17/donald-trump-deals-lost/
I'd expect some more fire on those same issues as 2016 rolls on. Even if he tries to do a 180, the media will still hold it against him according to the leftist/SJW playbook.
I hope 2016 is the year of "Don't Care". (RACIST SEXIST CHAUVINIST HOMOPHOBE TRANSPHOBE YAAAAAARGH)
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 02:56 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (Kucy5)
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Aww poor little Jeb supporter.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 29, 2016 02:56 PM (0LHZx)
$15K per year, per kid, is the average cost of education in this country...
If they are not here legally, they are not entitled to it, and should have to REPAY that money....
The so called dreamers? 12 years of education? Thats north of $150K they owe the American Taxpayer.
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 02:56 PM (RK8AH)
Posted by: Mega at February 29, 2016 02:56 PM (hHFOx)
The Chinese.
Did you see Tianammen Square?
Now that's what I call ruling with strength. Tremendous strength.
Posted by: The Donald Drumpf at February 29, 2016 02:56 PM (mcm0N)
Probably explains why he's doing so "well." And just what's the spread between him and Cruz against Clinton, anyway?
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the 'Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat' label at February 29, 2016 02:56 PM (PFy0L)
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Romney did the best in general election polling during the primaries. How'd that work out for us?
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Ironically, I advocated for Santorum because I thought the country was ready for a blue-collar progressive protectionist. Turns out I was right.
Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 02:56 PM (gmeXX)
Imagine if Cruz smoked, had a tattoo, and a fondness for Cuban cigars. A guy that smart, that accomplished, AND a rebel?
Game changer.
Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 02:57 PM (JOWmw)
North Korea needs a classy dance partner on the world stage.
Posted by: derit at February 29, 2016 02:57 PM (OC+TJ)
Where did you get that line from?
Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 02:57 PM (WnCSK)
Posted by: Exile on Trump Street
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We have? Trump has 82 of the 1237 delegate votes he needs for the nomination.
Posted by: RioBravo at February 29, 2016 02:57 PM (NUqwG)
per illegal. When they are all out on their asses with no jobs, they
will leave.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (so+oy)
Its already a Felony to knowingly hire an illegal....
We just need to ENFORCE the damn law.
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 02:58 PM (RK8AH)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 02:58 PM (oKE6c)
>>You don't.
Sure I do. Cruz and even Rubio are more acceptable alternatives at this point. Rubio is worrisome on illegals and will have to be managed but Trump is all over the map on everything.
It is intellectually dishonest to hammer Rubio for flipping on illegals but give Trump a pass of flipping back and forth, forth and back on issue after issue. The cure for bad candidates is not to pick the worst one.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 02:58 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 02:58 PM (TJCSB)
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The argument would make more sense if he's given money to Palestinians or CAIR. If he's given only to Israel I don't see the where the logic fails.
Interesting thing about Trump's donations. Up to a few years ago, he's given equally to democrats and republicans. In the past 10 years though, his donations have been lopsidedly Republican.
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 02:58 PM (qHgBB)
It's a beautifully mutated reason, and much more interesting than a lot of what passes for rationale around here...
Posted by: General Zod at February 29, 2016 02:58 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 02:56 PM (RK8AH)
But, isn't being suckers really who we are?
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 29, 2016 02:58 PM (wYnyS)
I thought Romney would win by a landslide, so I make no predictions.
Other than that Hillary will stroke out at some point.
Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 02:58 PM (JOWmw)
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 29, 2016 02:59 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 02:59 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Iblis at February 29, 2016 02:59 PM (9221z)
In spite of your squealing, pleb, Mr. Trump has love for you.
Posted by: General Zod at February 29, 2016 02:59 PM (Bdeb0)
So on that day
When the train whistle blows
And the dark boxcars
push through deep, cold snows
And the Mexicans are rounded up
and herded into pens
Trump/Hitler always wins
Posted by: A Public Service Message From The Society for Perpetual Trump-rage at February 29, 2016 03:00 PM (ATy0Q)
You wanna know the reality? There are signs in the NYC subways threatening employers with fines if they "question a worker's legal status."
At every turn we not only have the most obnoxious, uber lefty crap thrown in our faces but we are continually thereatened into giving up our rights to even defend against it (becoming "hate speech", "discrimination" etc).
This is how a country dissolves.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 29, 2016 03:00 PM (TcePY)
Why did Ted Cruz adopt Trump's plan?
By the way, those are my words on deportation, not Trump's. Maybe he has a way of getting the same results but in a different manner.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 03:00 PM (TcGpp)
She's no Olympia Snowe, I'll tell you that.
Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at February 29, 2016 03:00 PM (Ui7Rt)
Did I disput the polls you cited? No. Pay attention. What many of us said was that they mean nothing this far out when a single GOP candidate has not yet been determined. Perhaps you could try actually listening...
Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 03:00 PM (WnCSK)
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Rubio will be managed alright, by his GOP-e handlers (and Schumer). He is the absolute perfect puppet with no capacity for individual thought.
I can't take seriously anyone who suggests Rubio would be preferable to Trump. Cruz yes, but Rubio? LOL.
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:01 PM (qHgBB)
Posted by: dDan at February 29, 2016 03:01 PM (hwYmz)
I'm pretty sure this line came from some talking nitwit at the daily show.
I know I have heard it before.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 03:02 PM (WVsWD)
She's no Olympia Snowe, I'll tell you that.
Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at February 29, 2016 03:00 PM (Ui7Rt)
My blood pressure was rising until I saw the name
+1 2 u
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:02 PM (xuouz)
That's ok. I can't seriously anyone who supports Trump at all.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 03:02 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 03:02 PM (evdj2)
Not a Hitler but the actual Hitler. Adolph in the flesh. For real.
Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 02:52 PM (ATy0Q)
Speaking of which:
Oh what a beautiful morning!
Oh what a beautiful day!
I say for no reason whatsoever.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 03:02 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:01 PM
Poppin' Fresh laid it all down this morning: Dondi FTW!
Because "Real Conservative." Or something.
Posted by: MrScribbler at February 29, 2016 03:02 PM (D+xyy)
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 03:02 PM (WVsWD)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 03:02 PM (TJCSB)
I see that reading comprehension is hard for you. Do you think yourself cleverly persuading through words?
The point was that his actions in the campaign cycle so far, and the cost he paid for those actions, are a more meaningful metric than a bunch of words about beliefs.
Do you not get that GOPe words are worthless? I don't care how "right" they sound. The end result is ... Obamacare is passed. Obamacare still exists. Government spending grows year over year. PP funding is maintained. Illegals pour in over a porous "border".
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 03:02 PM (uURQL)
How is that any different than the last 30 years?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:03 PM (+058L)
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Here's a fact that will cause more raging strokes:
Trump garners 58% of the base if it became a two man race between him and Cruz or him and Rubio (the polls were nearly identical).
The rest of the 42% read articles by Jennifer Rubin.
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:03 PM (qHgBB)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 03:03 PM (evdj2)
We just need to ENFORCE the damn law.
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 02:58 PM (RK8AH)
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And who is it in government that's charged with enforcing the law?
*looks through Constitution*
OMG, it's the president.
Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 03:03 PM (Fmupd)
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I guess I question whether Trump has paid a price at all. I agree the metric is meaningful. I just question that Trump has paid any sort of cost.
Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:04 PM (gmeXX)
Same here. The guy calling Trump a mafia-supporting, KKK member and by proxy his supporters isn't noble.
The Cuban Cruzio twins are as sleazy and two-faced open border globalists.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 03:04 PM (TcGpp)
Street. Just a different bunch of arrested-adolescent rage monkeys.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (Kucy5)
Hmmmm.....
25 years ago today I was sitting on a Destroyer in the Persian Gulf, right in the middle of Desert Storm....
I'm a 56 year old, Ret US Navy, IT Professional, who raised two kids on his own....
I support Trump....
Your constant drumbeat of insults to those who differ politically from you.... are tiresome.... and will not gain support...
A couple of months ago, there was a blowout about THIS EXACT TYPE OF CHARACTERIZATION.... I had thought a new rule was in place to stop it...
Apparently.... not...
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 03:04 PM (RK8AH)
rebuffs the notion that someone is too conservative to win a general
election. Cruz can't win not because he's too conservative but because his campaign sucks monkey's ass and balls"
What, hiring a former Todd Akin guy as comms director wasn't smart?
Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 03:04 PM (noWW6)
near-mythical status at the Times...
What does it all mean ?
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What a great question. I mean that, too.
It means the interview is nearly as mythical as the Easter Bunny.
Posted by: mrp at February 29, 2016 03:04 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 29, 2016 03:04 PM (TcePY)
Posted by: Badda Bing at February 29, 2016 03:05 PM (gxIP7)
to focus down ticket, to put in guys to limit Trump's damage, and move
the overton window right.
Posted by: Iblis at February 29, 2016 02:59 PM (9221z)
Well you will know tomorrow. Trump actually has a chance to win Texas.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 29, 2016 03:05 PM (QPdNE)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 29, 2016 03:05 PM (Wckf4)
Posted by: Lord Obama at February 29, 2016 03:05 PM (JOWmw)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 03:05 PM (39g3+)
But I kept my spray tan goggles on so--I'm probably good.
Posted by: The Donald Drumpf at February 29, 2016 03:05 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 03:02 PM (TJCSB)
Now that's mean.
Completely and totally hilarious but mean.
Lemon bar? *shoves through USB port*
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 03:05 PM (mf5HN)
Lots of us played very nice with your boy Mittens in 2012. When it comes time to hold your nose and do the same, will you...?
Posted by: Mega at February 29, 2016 03:06 PM (hHFOx)
Funny both know Ted Cruz and chose Trump over him. There is a reason for that.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 03:06 PM (TcGpp)
I imagine the border plan will be the same as Hillary would do. But without the screechy voice. So there's that.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 29, 2016 03:06 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 03:06 PM (MOVsh)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 03:06 PM (evdj2)
Sorry, just thought I'd get the festivities rolling.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 03:06 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 03:07 PM (lVU49)
Like a bathroom at Taco Bell.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:07 PM (+058L)
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In the interest of fairness, his voting seems to have a better track record than most (except for Cruz and Sessions, etc). But that's not what concerns me, it's how easily get got rolled by the gang of eight. it indicates a weak spine and a capacity to quickly sell out at the first opportunity. You know, a typical establishment GOP-er. He'll be more liberal than Paul Ryan by the time he'd finish his first year in office.
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:07 PM (qHgBB)
I expect Trump will disappoint his supporters if elected. Not only on
immigration, but on the EPA, IRS, Department of Justice, Department of
Education, Department of Energy, Supreme court nominees, climate change,
deregulation.
How is that any different than the last 30 years?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:03 PM (+058
White house will have 37 floors.
Posted by: Badda Bing at February 29, 2016 03:07 PM (gxIP7)
It is intellectually dishonest to hammer Rubio for flipping on illegals but give Trump a pass of flipping back and forth, forth and back on issue after issue. The cure for bad candidates is not to pick the worst one.
Posted by: JackStraw
Rubio is part of the establishment that has screwed us over.
Trump is not.
Rubio either got rolled by shumer AND Gillihag or was actively joining with them.
Trump is at least making noises against them.
Rubio is already whining about being in the Senate. In the middle of his first term.
trump has started and stopped businesses.
I'm not giving trump a pass on anything.
I think that I understand the frustration and the resulting appeal that trump seems to have.
Posted by: Blue Hen at February 29, 2016 03:07 PM (326rv)
This Hitler chap is a bit worrisome on the Poland issue, wot wot?
Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 03:07 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 03:07 PM (KAB75)
And speaking of a NYT piece I'm absolutely not going to link but will quote from, get this bit (from Lucianne):
CHICAGO - Test scores suggest that the Barbara A. Sizemore Academy, an African-centered school, is struggling mightily. Its students in third through eighth grades scored in only the 14th percentile in reading on national achievement tests last year and in the eighth percentile in math. (Snip) "When you talk about children who are suffering from all the ills of, you know, the residual effects of slavery," said Danielle Robinson, who is in her third year as Sizemore's principal, "absolutely this is where they need to be."
Wow. One hundred and fifty plus years later, it's clear that there is only one reason for low black achievement scores in her school.
Posted by: GnuBreed at February 29, 2016 03:07 PM (gyKtp)
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Don't forget the cousin'-humping there buddy, I LOVES ME SOME cousin humping!
Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs at February 29, 2016 03:08 PM (kXzR8)
Seriously, how many times do I have to say this. I will vote for the Republican nominee, even Trump because Hillary would be far worse.
I consider Trump an awful candidate but I'm not doing the sit at home tantrum.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 03:08 PM (/tuJf)
Your candidate sucks ass and you support him cause you're a cousin humpin, bible thumpin, redneck and you mostest squirrels!
Oh, yeah? Well, your candidate sucks donkey balls you idiotic, fascist, reich wing asshole and you probably have bad breath from not brushing your tooth.
That about cover it?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 03:08 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: President Kim Kardashian Yeezy typing through the spacetime continuum at February 29, 2016 03:08 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 29, 2016 03:09 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Dale Carnegie at February 29, 2016 03:09 PM (mEZce)
Posted by: The Onion at February 29, 2016 03:09 PM (GHtJF)
How many crossover votes is Candidate Cruz going to get?
Because you need those. And stuff.
Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 03:09 PM (ATy0Q)
Eventually you will see it - though it may take a while before it becomes.clear - and when it dawns on you......
Posted by: Mega at February 29, 2016 03:09 PM (hHFOx)
Posted by: Raspitun at February 29, 2016 03:09 PM (7erVl)
Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:04 PM (gmeXX)
The liberal teacher friend in Cali is already teaching her students how Hitler-ish Trump is. That's a taste of what we're going to see in the general election.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 03:09 PM (uURQL)
They're in the top percentile of blame-shifting, so they have that going for them.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 03:09 PM (evdj2)
What if attacking Mr. Trump is not the answer? Suppose we dig in and let Mr. Trump make a fool of himself, then counter-attack when he is weakened?
A political Maginot Line, if you will.
Posted by: Corbin Uriah Cuthbertson-Klein at February 29, 2016 03:10 PM (Ui7Rt)
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I am. Of course, I prefer to call it principled non-voting and not a tantrum.
Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:10 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 03:10 PM (TJCSB)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:03 PM (+058
White house will have 37 floors.
And slots!
Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:10 PM (+058L)
Being a conservative means being lied to and betrayed by the people you vote for more often than not. I think that it is very likely that Trump will betray the people who are enthusiastically voting for him in the primary. On the other hand, you have Rubio who already betrayed his voters.
When it comes to the general election, the choice will be for the lesser evil and in an election that has Hillary Clinton in it, the lesser evil will always be the other candidate.
Posted by: obnoxious ahole at February 29, 2016 03:10 PM (MpvuV)
few years ago, he's given equally to democrats and republicans. In the
past 10 years though, his donations have been lopsidedly Republican.
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 02:58 PM
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Do you have a link for that? Because what I've seen is just the opposite.
Posted by: IrishEi at February 29, 2016 03:10 PM (E6RIJ)
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LOL, no he didn't *googles*
..... *face palm*
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:10 PM (qHgBB)
I don't ever have to defend the interests of those that vote for Marco Rubio and people like him. To me that is what this election is about. Liberating...like taking a load off my shoulders.
Posted by: William Eaton at February 29, 2016 03:10 PM (q52Ma)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:10 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:10 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: MacGruber at February 29, 2016 03:10 PM (FEAjO)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 29, 2016 03:05 PM (Wckf4)
Yeah.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 03:10 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Fritz at February 29, 2016 03:10 PM (UzPAd)
>>Trump is not.
Sure he is. He started his campaign by bragging about it 7 x 24.
He's been one of those guys writing checks to politicians for years so that he could get favors. And those favors weren't a crackdown on illegal immigration.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 03:10 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:10 PM (xuouz)
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I saw the link in a Breitbart thread, let me see if I can dig it out....
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:11 PM (qHgBB)
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 29, 2016 03:11 PM (ISW4H)
Your candidate sucks ass and you support him cause you're a cousin humpin, bible thumpin, redneck and you mostest squirrels!
Oh, yeah? Well, your candidate sucks donkey balls you idiotic, fascist, reich wing asshole and you probably have bad breath from not brushing your tooth.
That about cover it?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 03:08 PM (kTF2Z)
- 15 for proper use of your and lack of extraneous apostrophes.
Speaking of apostrophes, other side filed a complaint in which there is rampant use of the possessive in place of the plural and it's making my eye twitch to read it.
I may have said, loudly, THAT'S IT I'M TAKING YOUR APOSTROPHES AWAY, but you can't prove anything.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 03:11 PM (mf5HN)
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So, he'll get the George Bush treatment? Yawn.
Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:11 PM (gmeXX)
It's called reaching. They're running out of excuses so anything will do.
Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 03:11 PM (KAB75)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:11 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 29, 2016 03:11 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: Naes at February 29, 2016 03:11 PM (Ypc8j)
Posted by: JROD at February 29, 2016 03:11 PM (lS7a6)
You know what bothers me about the GOPe? The lies and flip flops.
Your move.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:12 PM (+058L)
A synopsis:
Your candidate sucks ass and you support him cause you're a cousin humpin, bible thumpin, redneck and you mostest squirrels!
Oh, yeah? Well, your candidate sucks donkey balls you idiotic,
fascist, reich wing asshole and you probably have bad breath from not
brushing your tooth.
That about cover it?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 03:08 PM (kTF2Z)
It would be perfect with more superlatives.
Posted by: Badda Bing at February 29, 2016 03:12 PM (gxIP7)
Posted by: Mike Honcho at February 29, 2016 03:12 PM (BJjEt)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 03:08 PM (kTF2Z)
You have to repeat that argument in various forms a minimum of 80 times between 9am and midnight.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:12 PM (xuouz)
Tee Hee. You are so cute.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 03:12 PM (WVsWD)
Posted by: Branson
There are other issues?
Posted by: Trump at February 29, 2016 03:12 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 29, 2016 03:12 PM (TnUKj)
Posted by: Fritz at February 29, 2016 03:12 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 29, 2016 03:12 PM (vb33c)
We're in the eye of a shit-icane.
Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 03:12 PM (ATy0Q)
Posted by: RioBravo at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (NUqwG)
So which liar do we pick and why does it matter?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (+058L)
Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (WnCSK)
After the election I'll be more "flexible." wink, wink
Sincerely, or not
The Donald...
Posted by: donna at February 29, 2016 02:24 PM (/dSsq)
== == ---------
Beautiful.
Posted by: Don't waste my time with leftist bullshit. at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (aRUb8)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:11 PM (gmeXX)
You don't think that's a cost?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 03:07 PM (KAB75)
That depends on which candidate will be hurt or helped by the NYT's truth.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Pyrocles at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (fVOPU)
Posted by: Burn the Witch
Where are we gonna find a virgin? Other than mini-moo?
Posted by: The Moron horde at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (326rv)
Making sense of these comments ( except for a very few) is like looking for nickels in horseshit.
Entertaining reading, though.
Posted by: irongrampa at February 29, 2016 03:14 PM (P/8aq)
240 I get a feeling that this thread is about to erupt like a shit volcano.
We're in the eye of a shit-icane.
Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 03:12 PM (ATy0Q)
I'm spinning up.
Posted by: Shitnado at February 29, 2016 03:14 PM (gxIP7)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 03:14 PM (Kucy5)
Deshawn, can you spell "welfare."
"W-e-l-l-f-a-i-r"
So close! You get an A for effort.
"What you mean by close?"
The word is spelled "w-e-l-f-a-r-e," but then, your ancestors were probably slaves.
"Alls of my ancestors come from Brooklyn."
Posted by: Lord Obama at February 29, 2016 03:14 PM (JOWmw)
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Ok, not the same link, but draws from the same source: http://tinyurl.com/hdpdh9f
Conclusion: Trump gave about evenly between both parties until 2010, when it shifted heavily to the gOP.
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:14 PM (qHgBB)
clear that there is only one reason for low black achievement scores in
her school.
Posted by: GnuBreed at February 29, 2016 03:07 PM (gyKtp)
Reminds me of the news story a while ago about the Hiroshima bomb claiming another victim, some octagenarian. Great weapon: you drop it, wait 70 years, then bam! They're dead.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 03:14 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Shitnado at February 29, 2016 03:14 PM (gxIP7)
Corgi-shitnado, incoming.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 03:15 PM (uURQL)
And someone at NYTimes is choosing the nuclear option in leaking off-the-record information.
Posted by: CJ at February 29, 2016 03:15 PM (9KqcB)
Posted by: t-bird at February 29, 2016 03:15 PM (3U4+k)
I glanced at my wife's Facebook page yesterday, and noticed at the top
of the "trending" thingy was "Benito Mussolini: Donald Trump retweets
quote from Benito Mussolini!!!"
Posted by: Pyrocles at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (fVOPU)
Both were treated very unfairly by the press.
Posted by: Badda Bing at February 29, 2016 03:15 PM (gxIP7)
Posted by: Lord Obama at February 29, 2016 03:15 PM (JOWmw)
who knows.
regardless it is the gops fault since all this is because they have been screwing their constituents for so long.
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 29, 2016 03:15 PM (vb33c)
Your move.
Posted by: rickb223
Uh, what?
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 03:15 PM (TJCSB)
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It's not certain that these ignorant idiots know when slavery ended. They probably image it was the 1960s, when everything cool happened.
Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 03:16 PM (KAB75)
New York values or Cuban values?
Posted by: RioBravo at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (NUqwG)
Valu-Rite values.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 03:16 PM (oKE6c)
He has said many things, but he attack/supports people by attacking/supporting their position at times. With McCain he likes military that don't get caught. With Romney, it's mean to make people self-deport. With Hillary, she'd be great at ... whatever.
On the trail he has also said people would leave on their own once they saw others being deported. And he supports e-verify.
He says there will be a big door to come back but his site says "Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify
that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs
before coming to the U.S."
Since he is already running for the general, he has no need to sound harsh on border control. It will only hurt him, even if he fully intends to keep to the tough standards. But I don't think his real position is to forcibly track down 20 million and drag them out. They'll go on their own, or be caught doing illegal things, it time.
Posted by: Illiniwek at February 29, 2016 03:16 PM (eUbDe)
Why don't we observe persistent academic deficits among the descendants of European Jews who endured the Holocaust, something far worse by any metric than slavery, and far more historically recent to boot?
Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 03:16 PM (noWW6)
*Backs out of room doing that fop bowing thingy*
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (kTF2Z)
*waves paw imperially*
'Tis the least I could do and I always do the least I can do.
*eyes stack of filing* As is becoming more obvious by the moment at work.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 03:16 PM (mf5HN)
Even a flexible Trump will do more to address the problem than a Cruz or Rubio.
But I am convinced Trump doesn't get near the White House. Of all mu fears, the least of these are that Trump won't do anything with respect to illegal immigration.
My more tangible fear is President Hillary and her super majority in Congress hit the final blow for liberalism and the country is gone for several generations.
Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 03:16 PM (MOVsh)
I'll take "fatherlessness" for $100, Alex.
Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 03:16 PM (JOWmw)
169 Anyone who would vote for Trump is no different than Occupy Wall
Street. Just a different bunch of arrested-adolescent rage monkeys.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (Kucy5)
____
Aww poor little Jeb supporter.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 29, 2016 02:56 PM (0LHZx)
_--__-__-------__
How are they any different?
Posted by: Don't waste my time with leftist bullshit. at February 29, 2016 03:16 PM (aRUb8)
Yea, like his entire life isn't a "single shred" of evidence that he has lied on every possible issue all cross the board. His ban "muslims" statements about 24 hours after demanding we take more syrians. So don't give me this BS like he doesn't have a record of being a con man and a lying scumbag.
Posted by: Nick at February 29, 2016 03:17 PM (DKHw0)
Massachusetts Democrats.
I don"'t think your party base is what it used to be.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 03:17 PM (Kucy5)
"Wow. One hundred and fifty plus years later, it's clear that there is
only one reason for low black achievement scores in her school."
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It's not certain that these ignorant idiots know when slavery ended.
They probably image it was the 1960s, when everything cool happened.
Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 03:16 PM (KAB75)
Lol.
Posted by: Badda Bing at February 29, 2016 03:17 PM (gxIP7)
Posted by: rickb223
Uh, what?
You claim Trump lies and flip flops.
I claim all the others do it.
Now what?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:17 PM (+058L)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 29, 2016 03:17 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 03:17 PM (JOWmw)
Read this:
"Trump Senior Policy Adviser Stephen Miller: The Moment Ted Cruz Threw in with the Globalists" - By Diana West
Listen to this:
"MUST LISTEN: Stephen Miller Makes Case Against Marco Rubio in Epic Rant" - Breitbart
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 03:17 PM (TcGpp)
Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:11 PM (gmeXX)
You don't think that's a cost?
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Since that has not yet happened yet in full force, I'll reserve judgment.
But I'll say this, what Trump wants more than anything is adulation and publicity and press. That is his currency. If it is, he has paid no cost.
Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:17 PM (gmeXX)
Conclusion: Trump gave about evenly between both parties until 2010, when it shifted heavily to the gOP.
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:14 PM (qHgBB)
Will we accept converts? Or are we just interested in dying in the door of the temple?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:18 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Shit Volcano at February 29, 2016 03:18 PM (TJCSB)
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 29, 2016 03:18 PM (ISW4H)
Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 03:18 PM (JOWmw)
Nice to see the little fella finally growing out of that glib inexperienced slippery two-faced junior senator phase.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 29, 2016 03:18 PM (QDnY+)
You know what bothers me about the GOPe? The lies and flip flops.
Your move."
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Touché!
Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 03:18 PM (KAB75)
So your voting Trump right?
Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 03:18 PM (WnCSK)
Posted by: IrishEi at February 29, 2016 03:18 PM (E6RIJ)
Yea if you are completely incapable of reading polls or assessing data on any sort. Oh wait, your a trump support. So I repeat myself.
Posted by: Nick at February 29, 2016 03:19 PM (DKHw0)
Posted by: Trump University Grad at February 29, 2016 03:19 PM (gs8be)
Yes, because the "certified cult of pathological liars" guy is married to a Venus who wears gold floss on Air Force Trump, and I'm a knuckledragger who is awed by such things.
Posted by: General Zod at February 29, 2016 03:19 PM (Bdeb0)
when slavery ended. They probably image it was the 1960s, when
everything cool happened.
Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 03:16 PM (KAB75)
After Trump's supporters got dinged by something in some poll (showing that they were racist, stupid, you know, the usual smear of anyone to the right of Joe Stalin) someone rebutted that poll with a second in which (IIRC) something like 71% of black respondents opposed the Emancipation Proclamation?
The point being, as made up above, that polls are pretty much useless, and that most of the electorate is pig ignorant.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 03:19 PM (oKE6c)
I claim all the others do it.
Now what?
Posted by: rickb223
Trump has done it on EVERY issue.
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 03:20 PM (TJCSB)
I get a feeling that this thread is about to erupt like a shit volcano.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 29, 2016 03:05 PM (Wckf4)
_______________
I experience that problem a lot........
*hic*
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 29, 2016 03:20 PM (HSmrB)
Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 03:07 PM (KAB75)
That depends on which candidate will be hurt or helped by the NYT's truth."
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Any and every Republican will do. Remember their favorite Maverick.
Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 03:20 PM (KAB75)
The NYT always views this period as their time to sow Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.
Witness the 'Rush Limbaugh Is Selling You Out' story they ran this weekend that Limbaugh spent the show today ripping apart. Lots of implying, spinning, distorting, and never making an outright allegation, knowing it would get disproved.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 29, 2016 03:20 PM (oVJmc)
...
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 03:16 PM (mf5HN)
Made the time spent reading this thread worth it, just for that one aside!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 29, 2016 03:20 PM (wYnyS)
Massachusetts Democrats.
I don"'t think your party base is what it used to be.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe
So less than 1% of Mass voters changed parties? Is that a pretty normal swing that's basically a rounding error?
Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 03:20 PM (MOVsh)
Posted by: Shit Storm at February 29, 2016 03:20 PM (gxIP7)
he'd be playing at the presidency and everyone knows it
we've been prolonging adolescence in this country for too long
Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 03:20 PM (JOWmw)
This already exists, in some areas, but it's completely worthless.
The "family reunification" plan is regularly used by, among others, Chinese-Americans. Typically for Chinese to bring in their elderly parents from overseas. As part of that, the citizen family are required to sign a pledge that they will personally financially support said parents upon arrival, and not allow them to become "a public charge".
Since there is absolutely no enforcement or followup, the Chinese (a very pragmatic culture) immediately dump Mom and Dad into SSI as soon as the plane lands. Hey, if the gweilos are foolishly giving stuff away, it would be stupid not to take what they're giving.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 03:20 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:11 PM (gmeXX)
You don't think that's a cost?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (uURQL)
Every Republican presidential nominee gets demonized. Every one of them. Remember Mitt Romney? Probably about the most decent man in US politics in a hundred years?
He is willfully cruel to animals, hates gays and attacks them, gives people cancer, delights in destroying working people and their towns, has dancing horses, owns a car elevator, is weird, his religion hates blacks, and I may have missed a few.
I am pointing this out because the argument is worthless to use against anyone candidate because it will be applied to all candidates.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 03:20 PM (hLRSq)
Why don't we observe persistent academic deficits among the descendants of European Jews who endured the Holocaust, something far worse by any metric than slavery, and far more historically recent to boot?
Posted by: torquewrench
I'm still feeling peckish after An Gorta Mor.
Posted by: Papist Bograt at February 29, 2016 03:20 PM (326rv)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 29, 2016 03:21 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:21 PM (xuouz)
Yeezy gave him some sneekers and a t-shirt.
Posted by: President Kim Kardashian Yeezy typing through the spacetime continuum at February 29, 2016 03:21 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:18 PM (xuouz)
Converts to Mitt were acceptable. New converts are not wanted. We decided the tent was big enough already.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 03:21 PM (WVsWD)
Posted by: Hank at February 29, 2016 03:22 PM (xVYeR)
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You're welcome!
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:22 PM (qHgBB)
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:14 PM (qHgBB)
A business man who doles out cash to both parties, so as to avoid getting hosed by the outcome of the election? Unpossible.
Hell, even Goldman Sachs gives some money (ca. 25%, IIRC) to conservatives.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 03:22 PM (oKE6c)
Remember try not to touch the sides.
Or the floor.
Have you thought about hovering?
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 03:22 PM (mf5HN)
My question is why? Especially now. Everyone that follows in the most basic with politics knows this was rigged from the beginning.
Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 03:22 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: DaveA at February 29, 2016 03:22 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Chicago Vota at February 29, 2016 03:22 PM (mPQ7K)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 03:20 PM (TJCSB)
Totes unlike Ryan, Boehner, McConnell, McCain, Ayotte, Cantor, McCarthy, ...
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 29, 2016 03:22 PM (wYnyS)
Posted by: willow at February 29, 2016 03:23 PM (L1+sh)
169 Anyone who would vote for Trump is no different than Occupy Wall
Street. Just a different bunch of arrested-adolescent rage monkeys.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (Kucy5)
Hmmmm.....
25 years ago today I was sitting on a Destroyer in the Persian Gulf, right in the middle of Desert Storm....
I'm a 56 year old, Ret US Navy, IT Professional, who raised two kids on his own....
I support Trump....
Your constant drumbeat of insults to those who differ politically from you.... are tiresome.... and will not gain support...
A couple of months ago, there was a blowout about THIS EXACT TYPE OF CHARACTERIZATION.... I had thought a new rule was in place to stop it...
Apparently.... not...
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 03:04 PM (RK8AH)
Well said, and thanks for your service, target.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, submariner at February 29, 2016 03:23 PM (3dOE/)
...............
Mitt was right.. you don;t need to chase down illegals or even fine them.
You fine their employers.. big time.. $1000 per day per illegal. When they are all out on their asses with no jobs, they will leave.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (so+oy)
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To quote Samuel Jackson: EXACTAMUNDO!
Mitt was not just right, but this was too extreme for Trump, and Trump denounced.
Nothing else really matters much. Talking about amnesty or walls, it's e-verify that is the issue, enforcing the existing law, which Obama has chosen not to do, which is the issue.
I'm more of a Cruz fan, but Rubio would be perfectly palatable but for the immigration thing. And even then, if he'd come clean and promise to enforce existing law (I know he's given verbal promises, etc.), he'd be MILES better than Obama, already.
This focus on immigration is a chimera. Trump keeps talking about the wall, but it's not the crux of a problem. Border jumpers come in at a few specific places, and there already is Congressional approval to put walls there, but Obama has stopped it.
Trump is Obama's final victory. He's so demoralized the Republicans that they're disintegrating, giving it up for shaved reality apes, believing Alex Jones' conspiracy theories, and are in effect assuring the election of Caligula's Horse.
Posted by: Leo Spaceman at February 29, 2016 03:23 PM (AcoCn)
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Not this Palin-supporter, Trump-hater who does actually enjoy a good wine with dinner.
Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:24 PM (gmeXX)
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This is the media that is "all in" on Trump and really handling him with kid gloves. Very kid glove treatment.
Just before Super Tuesday when this kind of info could damage his prospects of securing the nomination. Or maybe this is 11th Dimensional Really Helping Him Chess
Posted by: Mega at February 29, 2016 03:24 PM (hHFOx)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 29, 2016 03:24 PM (w4NZ8)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:24 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Adrienne at February 29, 2016 03:24 PM (lVcuh)
If Trump gets elected and we get amnesty . . . well, I'll leave it for the die-hard Trump supporters to fill in that Mad Lib. Emphasis on the word "Mad." And, more than likely, "Lib."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:24 PM (zLP1L)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:18 PM (xuouz)
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I can understand people not being convinced of Trump's conversion on many policies, but them saying he's flipped on EVERYTHING just isn't true. I've watched interviews of him 30 years ago (literally) saying exactly the same things he's saying today. He's more consistent than people give him credit for.
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:24 PM (qHgBB)
We got it already about fuckin Caligula....ok. Find another line.
Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 03:24 PM (WnCSK)
That's it, no more &'s for you...
and, and... you're not the boss of me!
Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at February 29, 2016 03:24 PM (IQI2h)
Posted by: Soona
It's still pretty astonishing that Bernie Sanders came so close to beating her even when it was obvious it was in the bag. South Carolina was basically the first state she really won.
Democrats clearly don't like her.
She would have smashed to pieces had a more credible Democrat took her on.
Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (MOVsh)
Posted by: DONALD TRUMP at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (TJCSB)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (WuRdh)
of European Jews who endured the Holocaust, something far worse by any
metric than slavery, and far more historically recent to boot?
Posted by: torquewrench
Ditto the Armenians, the Ukrainians, and the Chinese.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (oKE6c)
on any sort. Oh wait, your a trump support. So I repeat myself."
brilliant commentary... i am totes convinced by your erudite discourse and now am an ardent Rubio supporter.
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (ISW4H)
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Leo Spaceman at February 29, 2016 03:23 PM (AcoCn)
No tomb for Denethor and Faramir. No long, slow sleep of death embalmed. We shall burn, like the heathen kings of old. Bring wood and oil. My sons are spent. My line has ended. Rohan has deserted us. Theoden's betrayed me. Abandon your posts! Flee, flee for your lives!
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (xuouz)
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The funny thing is that that mythical thing called GOPe (assuming they mean elected officials in DC) has been blocking amnesty for years now.
I fearless predict that if either Hillary or Trump wins in November (and it'll be Hillary and the Dems will get back the Senate and maybe the Congress), they'll have amnesty shoved down their throats before 2017 is over. And it won't be a "gang of 8" type of bill.
The schadenfreude will be delicious. They'll deserve to be laughed at and scorned.
Posted by: Alabi at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (89I+i)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 03:26 PM (mw8Dm)
On an ancillary but related note, I got my verification from my insurance company that I am indeed not in violation of the law by being properly insured.
FUCK. YOU. JOHN. ROBERTS.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 03:26 PM (zLP1L)
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 29, 2016 03:26 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 03:26 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 03:22 PM (oKE6c)
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The funny thing is Wall Street gives lopsidedly to democrats. Even when splitting it Trump was more right leaning in his donations than Wall Street. Lolz
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:26 PM (qHgBB)
I claim all the others do it.
Now what?
Posted by: rickb223
Trump has done it on EVERY issue.
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 03:20 PM (TJCSB)
Well, at least he's consistent.
Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at February 29, 2016 03:27 PM (IQI2h)
Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 03:27 PM (1D4w/)
Posted by: DONALD TRUMP at February 29, 2016 03:27 PM (TJCSB)
We knew that when the DNC wouldn't allow any Democrat other than the lamest of the lame to run. Add to that the super delegates bought and paid for and the Hildebeast was a done deal.
Posted by: Hank at February 29, 2016 03:27 PM (xVYeR)
What most of us have forgotten is that politics is a negotiation. That's probably because we've taken it up the squeakhole on every one over the last 7 years, and b) Obama has pretty much done what he wanted via extraordinary means.
I never thought Trump's initial antics were anything but staking out a position. By the way, a far better position than anyone else. It wasn't even a topic at the forefront until he started on it.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 29, 2016 03:27 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:18 PM (xuouz)
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I can understand people not being convinced of Trump's conversion on many policies, but them saying he's flipped on EVERYTHING just isn't true. I've watched interviews of him 30 years ago (literally) saying exactly the same things he's saying today. He's more consistent than people give him credit for.
Posted by: Burn It Down
If Trump is the nominee, I'll vote for him as I think he has at least SOME conservative instincts.
But I'm definitely in the camp that knows he's manipulating people. Sort of like the whole birther thing.
I'd feel a lot better about the whole thing if right after the election Trump didn't slam Romney for being too harsh on illegals as the reason why Romney lost.
Can Trump supporters at least not concede that usually inconsistency is how we weed out the charlatans?
Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 03:28 PM (MOVsh)
In Terry Pratchett's Discworld, the world is supported on the backs of four giant turtles who slowly walk through space. One character questioned the cosmology: "what's holding up the turtles?" Without missing a beat the answer was its turtles all the way down.
None of the political choices left to us will come close to solving the existential problems we currently have as a country. Its doom all the way down.
I really don't want to see a Republican complete the fundamental transformation of the US. I don't really know what any of these people will really do, however. Whether they fail based upon deceit, or ineptitude, or naivete, or lack of political power,it is in the end, the same result. I will tell you this, the Uniparty demandsopen bordersand they will get it, eventually.
There is left, only the question of timing. Some like to think there is also a chance to spit in the collective eye of the Uniparty. I don't know what voting choice will assure that except don't vote for Rubio.
Posted by: simplemind at February 29, 2016 03:28 PM (JTwsP)
He will be less harsh than getting 20M illegals out in the first year, but Cruz is not big on deporting either.
Posted by: Illiniwek at February 29, 2016 03:29 PM (eUbDe)
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This is why he's unelectable. He should be cobbling together a coalition that appeals across all demographics, instead he makes his appeal almost exclusively to the Glenn Beck crowd. It's sad to watch.
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:29 PM (qHgBB)
democrats. Even when splitting it Trump was more right leaning in his
donations than Wall Street. Lolz
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:26 PM (qHgBB)
True. OpenSecrets.org compile the Federal Election Commission reports, and Wall Street heavily favors Democrats, who demonize Wall Street at every turn. Which Wall Street accepts in what is obviously an elaborately staged political kabuki.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 03:29 PM (oKE6c)
If Trump doesn't get elected, we get amnesty.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:29 PM (+058L)
How would they know why all 16,000* changed their registration? Is that something the authorities routinely ask? Did they call up all 16,000 and ask them? Did Massachusetts Democrats call the Boston Herald to crow about this? Did someone at the newspaper consult themselves and just make it up?
*How many change anyway?
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 03:29 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 03:20 PM (TJCSB)
Well, at least he's consistent.
Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at February 29, 2016 03:27
We hate your guts. We're consistent too.
Posted by: The Stupid Party at February 29, 2016 03:29 PM (326rv)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 29, 2016 03:30 PM (Z8DIA)
Posted by: Dr Spank
And so has the GOPe for the last 30 years.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:30 PM (+058L)
Posted by: K-E at February 29, 2016 02:46 PM (OV2w5)
Couple things wrong here, although trump may not be an elected politician, he certainly is gifted in the art of politics. He has used the political system and politicians for his own gains his whole life. And I'm afraid trump has no idea what the "average joe" is except for the occasional one he encounters shining his shoes.
I am so tired of hearing that Cruz is unelectable, he is actually the most conservative one standing and possibly the smartest one we've been giving a chance to actually vote for in a long time. But because trumps comes out and says a few things that makes everybody wets there pants, all of the sudden he's the guy to get it done, let's just close our eyes and plug our ears so we don't have to actually hear the truth.
What a f-d up mess this is.
Posted by: spypeach at February 29, 2016 03:30 PM (nyYhO)
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If I am, then Trump must have really convinced me he was going to appoint the smartest, world-classiest, originalists to the Court.
Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:30 PM (gmeXX)
Maybe the media decided that allowing a deranged fascist to make it that far in the process was too dangerous after all, and instead are choosing to take him out now to be on the safe side? Or do they think Trump cannot now be stopped, so it's safe to start turning their guns on him? I suspect Trump's approval ratings nationally will never recover once this onslaught commences.
Posted by: cjw at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (UJ59J)
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Whoa.... AmishDude IS Ted Cruz.
Mind.
Blown.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 29, 2016 03:22 PM (wYnyS)
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So you agree. Trump is like Boner, McCain, Cantor, McConnell, Ryan, etc, etc.So why vote for more of that again??
Posted by: Don't waste my time with leftist bullshit. at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (aRUb8)
Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 03:28 PM (MOVsh)
If we weed out the charlatans we won't have a government at all.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (oKE6c)
How would you know, FNG?
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (evdj2)
Plus, a historian explains why surging Sen. Marco Rubio's glib sense of humor qualifies him for the presidency.
Join me, Rick Wilson, Rick Rude, Rick Astley, Rick James, James Arness and Tiny the Wonder Crab.
Tonight!
Posted by: Megyn Kelly at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (Ui7Rt)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 03:26 PM (mw8Dm)
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I don't trust any of them. Each one of them has a strong potential for crushing disappointment. These are the times we live in.
Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (xuouz)
*smacks you with a staff
Posted by: Dale Carnegie at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (LdVxD)
Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 29, 2016 03:32 PM (LdVxD)
If you will then stipulate and agree that the GOPe has been charlatans for the last 30 years.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:32 PM (+058L)
for me, romney was the right guy way back in 2007, for the 2008 election. but instead, we got the gope's choice, mccain.
now we've got big money saying they'll vote for the hill if they don't get their candidate (first jeb, now mario) and 99 percent of the pundits playing head games.
me...nope, no way, no how.
Posted by: concrete girl at February 29, 2016 03:32 PM (0KgAM)
strong potential for crushing disappointment. These are the times we
live in.
Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (Fmupd)
Even SMOD has let us down.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 03:32 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 03:32 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: spypeach
The latter statements do not prove the first. You may be correct, but you made no attempt to prove that Cruz is electable.
Posted by: The Stupid Party at February 29, 2016 03:33 PM (326rv)
Posted by: x at February 29, 2016 03:33 PM (nFwvY)
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I judge Trump in light of who our alternatives are. That doesn't mean I ignore his inconsistencies, or where I find his positions unpalatable (like his stance on healthcare). But he represents the charlatan who would realistically toss us a bone now and then, as opposed to the GOP-e who tell us in no uncertain terms to go fuck ourselves.
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:33 PM (qHgBB)
Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 03:33 PM (WnCSK)
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This is why he's unelectable. He should be cobbling together a coalition that appeals across all demographics, instead he makes his appeal almost exclusively to the Glenn Beck crowd. It's sad to watch.
Posted by: Burn It Down
+1
FWIW, several Republicans in my family are very "secular", don't attend Church, etc but hate Obama, lifelong conservatives, etc
The Cruz campaign really turned them off with the Preacher schtick.
I don't know who decided on that strategy but it's a much different America than 30 years ago.
Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 03:33 PM (MOVsh)
Not this shit again.
I'm out.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
I'm afraid you will have to be more specific.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 29, 2016 03:35 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 03:35 PM (Fmupd)
If you will then stipulate and agree that the GOPe has been charlatans for the last 30 years.
I'm not a trump supporter, but I will agree.
Rubio has been inconsistent in two languages.
The entire reason trump is getting any traction is because the GOPe has been such a disgusting sellout.
I'm NOT supposed to quesstion my GOpe betters.
I AM supposed to question and dismiss trump.
Fuck that; give Jeb! a medal while we're at it.
Posted by: The Stupid Party at February 29, 2016 03:36 PM (326rv)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:24 PM (xuouz)
And he wanted to deny women tampons, and Sandra Fluke wouldn't get birth control, and he wanted illegals to leave of their own accord, and he made all of these gaffes in Europe, like about how London was running the Olympics, and his foreign policy ideas were so 1980's, and lots more stuff.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Burn It Down
Fair enough, I can understand that position
But truthfully, everyone talking about "what will Trump do as President" to me is not the problem. If Trump beats Hillary, I'l be jumping up and down.
My much bigger fear to an elected centrist Trump is President Hillary that won a 40 state landslide and will get to shape the Court for several generations.
A President Trump going soft on illegal immigration is not what's keeping me up at night.
Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (MOVsh)
I doubt I'll persuade you. Tired of trying, tired of thinking that ANY of Trump's lies, doubletalk, documented malfeasance, and obvious malice will persuade any of you. You're all too busy voting your anger and "sending a message" to people Trump has wined, dined, bankrolled and profited off his entire adult life. Screw it. Go for it.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (Kucy5)
Posted by: Chicago Vota at February 29, 2016 03:38 PM (mPQ7K)
they are all out on their asses with no jobs, they will leave."
you realize, of course, that employers HAVE to accept, at face value, any documents they are given by applicants, and that any attempt to verify their validity will get them fined by ICE?
if you really want to get rid of illegals, allow companies to vet documents, and, while you're at it, cut off all federal funds to any state, county or city that has a sanctuary law.
while we're at it, lets start rounding up all the illegals at the Home Despot parking lot, and fine all the homeowners who have a maid/nanny/whatever, and their gardeners, all of whom get paid under the table.
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 29, 2016 03:38 PM (ISW4H)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (oKE6c)
Even the Scandis are tolerable so long as they stay in their lightless icy Wisconesottan hell.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 03:39 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:33 PM (qHgBB)
So basically, he's the lesser of two evils.Back to that.
Posted by: Don't waste my time with leftist bullshit. at February 29, 2016 03:41 PM (aRUb8)
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The frustration with this is that everyone assumes a NonTrump voter is an Establishment whore.
Everything the GOPe is being criticized about is exactly what Trump will screw the base over with. if Trump replaces ObamaCare, it will probably be the health care plan Obama dreamed about passing.
So the idea that because the GOP leadership didn't permenantly shut down the government over obamacare so we're going to nominate the guy that expands universal health care seems like the ultimate Jedi Mind Trick by the Left.
Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 03:42 PM (MOVsh)
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You forgot to add, "(he isn't)."
Which you should do, if you want to be honest, because Cruz really isn't against legalization.
Posted by: Vyce at February 29, 2016 03:42 PM (ggX8y)
If our country wants the unindicted felon to be president at that sort of ratio, we're not a country any more.
Maybe the corpse will meander a few more decades, but it'd be a dead man walking.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 03:43 PM (uURQL)
But truthfully, everyone talking about "what will Trump do as President" to me is not the problem. If Trump beats Hillary, I'l be jumping up and down.
My much bigger fear to an elected centrist Trump is President Hillary that won a 40 state landslide and will get to shape the Court for several generations.
A President Trump going soft on illegal immigration is not what's keeping me up at night.
Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (MOVsh)
I don't know. I'm just not that scared of Hillary!. Her own party doesn't want her, their turnout is really depressed this year.
What I worry about with Trump is him not draining the Aegean stables worth of scum and shit out of DC. I just don't see him flushing out the corporatists and cronies that are fucking us right ow. Forget about appointing judges.
Posted by: Iblis at February 29, 2016 03:44 PM (9221z)
You forgot to add, "(he isn't)."
Which you should do, if you want to be honest, because Cruz really isn't against legalization.---------Vyce
So he killed the amnesty bill just for laughs?
Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at February 29, 2016 03:44 PM (1JqUE)
Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri at February 29, 2016 03:36 PM (vClpM)
Please......don't listen to Dad. He's drunk again and off the meds.
Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri Jr. at February 29, 2016 03:47 PM (aRUb8)
Posted by: jazzuscounty at February 29, 2016 03:48 PM (2Xvn6)
What I worry about with Trump is him not draining the Aegean stables worth of scum and shit out of DC. I just don't see him flushing out the corporatists and cronies that are fucking us right ow. Forget about appointing judges.
Posted by: Iblis
Trump has made me scared of her.
I think if we could have fielded a credible candidate that was able to show they weren't an Amnesty supporter, it would have been a shoo-in election.
Whatever issues Democrats had with Hillary will be resolved if the alternative is President Trump.
Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 03:50 PM (MOVsh)
Maybe the corpse will meander a few more decades, but it'd be a dead man walking.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely
I just don't think people care all that much.
Every election cycle the opponent is called a criminal, someone not following email protocols is just not the big issue it should be.
Mishandling classified info would put any other American in prison but explain that to a LIV and they won't care.
Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 03:53 PM (MOVsh)
worth of scum and shit out of DC..
Posted by: Iblis
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Why would he sweep the scum and shit out of DC? He is PART of the shit and scum. Shit and scum are his friends.
Posted by: Bob at February 29, 2016 03:55 PM (aRUb8)
I find there are very few points of public conflict between myself and evangelical voters.
Differences between how we see the world, approach non-political problems, and how we approach the crooked timbers of mankind -- sure.
Posted by: Leo Spaceman at February 29, 2016 03:56 PM (AcoCn)
Posted by: ahem at February 29, 2016 03:56 PM (lKGzI)
I find there are very few points of public conflict between myself and evangelical voters.
Differences between how we see the world, approach non-political problems, and how we approach the crooked timbers of mankind -- sure.
Posted by: Leo Spaceman
I would prefer if non-religious people could see things that way, but in my experience they don't.
If someone talks in a religious manner, they get very upset.
Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 04:00 PM (MOVsh)
You're assuming that Trump, the proven liberal and all-around bullshitter, actually has the positions that he espouses.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at February 29, 2016 04:07 PM (LDT/v)
Posted by: OrsonSnow at February 29, 2016 04:14 PM (kxGME)
Posted by: ahem
............
You mean the exact same thing he criticized Romney for????
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 04:44 PM (so+oy)
If you truly believe Donald Trump is going to do a thing about illegal immigration I suggest you look into his record. Seriously. Maybe you'll find something I missed which will explain or give context.
But by my read he uses illegal immigrants frequently and ships American jobs to Mexico.
http://tinyurl.com/jhxwgt4
http://tinyurl.com/o89pwwf
http://tinyurl.com/zrmq2qs
http://tinyurl.com/j8kzkvy
Read those articles. Dig up your own. Then ask yourself how a man whose bottom line is dependent on illegal immigration is going to do a thing to restrict it.
I don't believe he will. I believe he's just saying what people want to hear to get elected, and he believes most people don't do their own research -- they follow soundbites. Never mind he often contradicts his own position from a few years ago.
That's why I will not support him.
But if you do the research and come to a different conclusion, I'll be interested in the facts supporting your case, and the conclusion you build on it. I'm a conservative. That means I care about facts, not rhetoric.
Posted by: Brian Pendel at February 29, 2016 05:31 PM (tgZpF)
I've been saying this all along in comment threads but mainly to tamp down on the horrified reaction to his 'outrageous' statements. But it's real and it's Trump.
Hasn't anyone read his book?
And I'm a yuge fan of Trump's. I support him 100%.
Posted by: MaggiePoo at February 29, 2016 06:14 PM (kcQIp)
Seriously, doesn't anybody understand that? We're too used to the old style of politics that is more black and white. 'I support item' vs in office 'I reject item'.
Posted by: MaggiePoo at February 29, 2016 06:17 PM (kcQIp)
The second one tells us nothing about how many illegals are involved. No percentage. If I were an illegal who is now legal I'd be worried. That doesn't make the legal worker illegal.
I didn't read 3 or 4. If one of them is about Florida, those are legals on seasonal work permits who come up from So. America during their summer breaks to work in the hospitality sector all over FL during our winter.
People are just too hysterical and I don't want seem like I'm trolling since I'm not. I'll be going now. You can usually find me whereever hotair refugees are, at Breitbart, or often anywhere Disqus comments are used. Thanks for being open here.
Posted by: MaggiePoo at February 29, 2016 06:30 PM (kcQIp)
As if Schumer's little butt buddy even knows the meaning of the word "no."
Posted by: Random Thought Generator at February 29, 2016 07:24 PM (wLLbf)
Posted by: torabora at February 29, 2016 08:27 PM (db/w1)
Christ almighty man. I really thought this place would be above it. You're just parroting Cruz media operation now.
Get fucked dude.
-Not a trump voter
Posted by: Ballistic at February 29, 2016 09:47 PM (2OcMe)
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