Cruz: Yes, I'll Deport the Twelve Million Illegals Currently Here

It's not that I've gotten up late. It's that the news is still lingering in bed.

Cruz now embracing full deportation as response to illegals.

Cruz's position isn't really a flip-flop, nor heartless. But it sounds like self-deportation to me, combined with actual deportation.

Which is fine.

If E-Verify and other measures are put into place, such as requiring proof of citizenship or legal status for welfare benefits, a lot of people will self-deport simply because they have to. If they can't work and also can't collect welfare benefits, then the US is no longer the economic attractor it once had been.

The idea of gangs of black armor clad deportation squads trooping into neighborhoods in the night is a silly fantasia concocted by the Open Borders crowd. Yes, many will be forceably deported, but in any reform that actually stops illegals from collecting money in the US, most will simply leave. (As many have simply left on Obama's watch, owing to how bad the US economy is.)

There will be hard cases where the US public may wish to extend a form of legalization (without citizenship, and with conditions, such as "no welfare") to some of the illegals, those who would be, effectively, stateless persons should the US kick them out.

But that's a small part of this population. The Liberal position pushed by Rubio and the Open Borders crowd is that every illegal would be a stateless person should we eject them, or that enough them are so that we should treat them all as that.

But that's nonsense. There is a reason there are so many international call credit cards sold in neighborhoods where immigrants live. That's because they're keeping touch with family and friends back home. They still have homes in their native country, just as someone from the US who goes to work in Europe for five or six years still has a home in the US.

The idea that Hispanics (and we do seem to be talking about Hispanics here; no one ever says "How could you send those poor illegal Russian immigrants back home to Russia?") are simply incapable of finding a new apartment in their old stomping grounds is both wrong and kind of racist. The Open Borders crowd, for reasons of silly agitation, essentially casts these people as utter incompetents who couldn't possibly make it on their own if we asked them to go back to Honduras or wherever.

That's crazy racist. These people are rather daring and self-starting -- after all, it takes a certain amount of guts and initiative to pick up sticks for a foreign country whose language you don't speak and whose presence within will make you actually a low-level criminal.

Let me ask this hypothetical: How many of you would be eager to re-locate to Costa Rica as an illegal, while not speaking Spanish? Let's say there was a good reason for it, a good job, though an illegal one (in the sense that you have no papers, not that the job is inherently criminal).

It's kind of a scary thing to do.

Yet they did it.

But the weird assumption being pushed is that if we tell them to go back to the homey, familiar place they grew up in, they're going to go all to pieces because they just couldn't possibly hack that.

So I think these people, by and large, kind of have a sufficient amount of wherewithal to relocate themselves back to the land they know best after having come to an alien country just five or so years ago.

Have some of them been here so long that they essentially have no ties to their home country?

Possibly, but I'm tired of Rubio and the other Open Borders folks assuming that's anything like a large percentage of them.

We may have to make some merciful exceptions in some cases, but our policy, for those capable of it -- and most are capable of it -- should be self-deportation or, should that not work and they prove a nuisance, deportation by ICE.

Posted by: Ace at 01:00 PM

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1 ha!

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 23, 2016 01:00 PM (lVU49)

2 Yo!

Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 01:01 PM (UnJ7w)

3 Riddler Status : Remains at Large.

Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2016 01:01 PM (91LL3)

4 It feels good to be alive!!

Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 01:01 PM (UnJ7w)

5
*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 23, 2016 01:02 PM (HSmrB)

6 Arf. Arf arf arf arf arf arf!!!

Posted by: Hillary! 2016 Barking For You at February 23, 2016 01:02 PM (8ZskC)

7 Rubio is certain Cruz will act responsibly if he can prove illegal immigration is under control.

Responsibly.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2016 01:02 PM (NOIQH)

8 That was a good interview Cruz had with the 8 pm'er.

Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 01:02 PM (UnJ7w)

9 Top Ten Woot!

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at February 23, 2016 01:02 PM (kXoT0)

10 Well, there's the main story on Drudge, that Trump is basically promising to lock up Hillary if he wins the election.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 23, 2016 01:03 PM (ZbV+0)

11 Schrodinger's Cat Current Status:

[x] Alive
[x] Dead

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 23, 2016 01:03 PM (8ZskC)

12 I see Hillary took the coveted fifth position. Along with a fifth of vodka to help her 'cough'.

Posted by: mega machines at February 23, 2016 01:03 PM (fbovC)

13 Why do I get the feeling Cruz' campaign is circling the drain? Media manipulation?

Posted by: kathysaysso at February 23, 2016 01:03 PM (43OZ6)

14 At least I have chicken

Posted by: LeRoooooy Jenkins at February 23, 2016 01:04 PM (CHQHx)

15 Cruz now embracing full deportation as response to illegals.

Woot!

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 23, 2016 01:04 PM (rwI+c)

16 Man that other thread was getting nasty.

Posted by: HH at February 23, 2016 01:04 PM (DrCtv)

17 It's that the news is still lingering in bed.

That's code for Ace is still frying his bacon.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at February 23, 2016 01:04 PM (DQZLr)

18 (looks around shiftily)...(sidles right)... (looks around shiftily)...(sidles right)... (looks around shiftily)...(sidles right)...

Posted by: The Overton Window at February 23, 2016 01:04 PM (ZsN9X)

19 In before Skip?

That guy is always first.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....tortured American at February 23, 2016 01:04 PM (RFeQD)

20 Schrodinger's Cat Current Status:

Okay, I snorted coffee out my nose.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 23, 2016 01:04 PM (rwI+c)

21 13 Why do I get the feeling Cruz' campaign is circling the drain? Media manipulation?
Posted by: kathysaysso at February 23, 2016 01:03 PM (43OZ6)

Media and GOPe desperation.

Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 01:04 PM (UnJ7w)

22 This comment thread guaranteed to be entirely shofar-free.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 23, 2016 01:04 PM (8ZskC)

23 Ace, I'm going to try that line on my boss when I'm running late: "It's not that I slept late, it's just that work is lingering in bed."

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 23, 2016 01:04 PM (RD7QR)

24 Schrodinger's Cat Current Status:

[ ] Alive
[ ] Dead
[x] Unknown

Posted by: Hobson the Indecisive at February 23, 2016 01:05 PM (XGn1r)

25 Sure, why not?

The administration has decided to let immigrants with three
sexually transmitted diseases known for causing sores or lesions on
genitalia to enter the United States, an expansion of a previous
decision to let in those with HIV.

The Department of Health and Human Services this month opened
the borders to those with the STDs, deeming the communicable diseases
not a big threat to the United States.

I mean, if we're not stopping people with Ebola from entering, why have any standards at all?
I'm sure American will act in a 'responsible way' about this, amiright?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2016 01:05 PM (NOIQH)

26 22 This comment thread guaranteed to be entirely shofar-free.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 23, 2016 01:04 PM (8ZskC)

It is shofar.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 23, 2016 01:05 PM (RD7QR)

27 23
Ace, I'm going to try that line on my boss when I'm running late: "It's
not that I slept late, it's just that work is lingering in bed."

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 23, 2016 01:04 PM (RD7QR)

Your boss is bound to think you're moonlighting as a whore.

Posted by: kathysaysso at February 23, 2016 01:05 PM (43OZ6)

28 At least I have chicken

Posted by: LeRoooooy Jenkins at February 23, 2016 01:04 PM

Leroooooy, we need to talk.

Posted by: The Chicken at February 23, 2016 01:05 PM (bzd8I)

29 Why do I get the feeling Cruz' campaign is circling the drain? Media manipulation?
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90%, probably.

He's got some tough sledding to get the nom at this point.

Though he has some chance of it yet. Unlike Mr. Roboto.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 23, 2016 01:05 PM (ZbV+0)

30 Saw a friend wearing a hat and asked what's up with that? He is being treated for precancer cells on his scalp with a topical medicine. He said his head was a mess and I didnt ask to look. I did look on the internet and yeah, those lesions are nasty. And if they have to do surgery, they leave big holes in your head.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 23, 2016 01:06 PM (iQIUe)

31 This comment thread guaranteed to be entirely shofar-free.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 23, 2016 01:04 PM

Shofar, go good

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 23, 2016 01:06 PM (ZQfW9)

32 fry up some bacon. that'll get the news moving.

Posted by: x at February 23, 2016 01:06 PM (nFwvY)

33 And if they have to do surgery, they leave big holes in your head.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 23, 2016 01:06 PM (iQIUe)

This is when lace wigs come in handy.

Posted by: kathysaysso at February 23, 2016 01:07 PM (43OZ6)

34 Ace sees his shadow and goes back to bed.

Primary Season will last another 5 weeks.

Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2016 01:07 PM (91LL3)

35 (As many have simply left on Obama's watch, owing to how bad the US economy is.)

Gee, it's almost like he started his pen-and-phone amnesty to staunch that flow, huh?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 23, 2016 01:07 PM (oVJmc)

36 I'm working on 4 client projects today. I'm not sure which one to start on. So I figure I'll waste an hour or two here before deciding.

(of course the hours are still billable)

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:07 PM (0LHZx)

37 Mirror, are you on drugs?

Posted by: kathysaysso at February 23, 2016 01:07 PM (43OZ6)

38 I'm with Ted, and btw, I just checked and yep; Trump is still an asshole.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 23, 2016 01:08 PM (xWW96)

39 Here we go again, MUMR...

Posted by: The Chicken at February 23, 2016 01:08 PM (bzd8I)

40 This is an over-reaction to Trump, and it's just stupid.

With proper laws, properly enforced, the illegals would self-deport without any struggle.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2016 01:08 PM (Zu3d9)

41 The idea of gangs of black armor clad deportation squads trooping into neighborhoods in the night is a bit silly.
---
Well, if we're going to have militarized thug cops, we might as well put them to good use.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 23, 2016 01:08 PM (ZbV+0)

42 I think the bible thing is gonna sink Cruz..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 23, 2016 01:08 PM (Yb7wo)

43 Six days to Super Tuesday.

Posted by: Hobson the Indecisive at February 23, 2016 01:08 PM (XGn1r)

44 MUMR is working on his fifth DSM-IV merit badge.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 23, 2016 01:09 PM (8ZskC)

45 How is there a perception that Cruz's campaign is almost over after 3 states (1-2-3) and The Walking Dead's Ben Carson is just fine?

Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 01:09 PM (UnJ7w)

46 We're still reading HotAir?

Posted by: Hobson the Indecisive at February 23, 2016 01:09 PM (XGn1r)

47 Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 23, 2016 01:08 PM (ZbV+0)

Can we still shoot dogs?

Posted by: Militarized Thug Cop Union; local 632 at February 23, 2016 01:09 PM (Zu3d9)

48 At least I have chicken
Posted by: LeRoooooy Jenkins at February 23, 2016 01:04 PM (CHQHx)

I put your odds of having this meme recognized on the 'Q at 23.3, repeating of course, percent.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 23, 2016 01:09 PM (xuouz)

49 Shofar, go good

You blew it.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2016 01:09 PM (1xUj/)

50 I think the bible thing is gonna sink Cruz..>>>

Can't be because Bibles float.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 23, 2016 01:10 PM (XtAzU)

51 Six days to Super Tuesday.

Posted by: Hobson the Indecisive at February 23, 2016 01:08 PM

Import us a few thousand "refugees" and it can be Super Rapey Tuesday.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 23, 2016 01:10 PM (bzd8I)

52
If E-Verify and other measures are put into place, such as requiring proof of citizenship or legal status for welfare benefits, a lot of people will self-deport simply because they have to. If they can't work and also can't collect welfare benefits, then the US is no longer the economic attractor it once had been.

This is the sort of position I can get behind, but it needs teeth. Violators, from the smallest mom-and-pop to the largest corporation (and especially the largest corporation) need to have the fear of God put into them.

As well, I would declare a complete five year moratorium on any immigration. Nobody gets to come into the door until the house is cleaned up. I would also redraw the list of who should receive preferential treatment to come through the door (hint: it isn't third-world hellholes).

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 23, 2016 01:10 PM (X6fMO)

53

Every Tori Amos song sounds like every other Tori Amos song, I swear...

Posted by: Hillary for 30 Years to Life! at February 23, 2016 01:10 PM (+zqYj)

54 Ace,

The feds are suing state who want to verify citizenship TO VOTE. And Obamas judges are saying no way Jose!! So the odds of these same judges allowing a citizenship test for welfare is less than zero.

And these judges aren't going away when Obama goes away.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:10 PM (0LHZx)

55 Honestly ... What in the hell is wrong with MUMR ?

Posted by: Irony at February 23, 2016 01:10 PM (BHaRb)

56 We're still reading HotAir?
Posted by: Hobson the Indecisive at February 23, 2016 01:09 PM (XGn1r)

Oh sure, just not commenting. Just like before.

When you're a moron, nothing changes. It's what you...don't...do. Or have happen to you.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 23, 2016 01:10 PM (xuouz)

57 Well, after reading all the arguments on the last thread, I am now totally convinced that Mario is the only electable candidate, and he's not a lying liar either. He's the only chance we have......NOT!!!!**
*** this post is suppose to be snarky sarcasm for those who don't know me.

Posted by: lindafell de spair at February 23, 2016 01:10 PM (xVgrA)

58 Can we still shoot dogs?

Posted by: Militarized Thug Cop Union; local 632 at February 23, 2016 01:09 PM (Zu3d9)

Step up your game and bag some of those coywolves and we'll talk.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 23, 2016 01:11 PM (ZbV+0)

59 I'm hungry.

Posted by: Glenn Becky at February 23, 2016 01:11 PM (fbovC)

60 Another diplomatic triumph for Obozo. A cease fire has been negotiated in Syria. It's pretty much applies to everybody except Russia can still attack our US backed moderate rebels.

See WZ.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 23, 2016 01:11 PM (wqZ9E)

61 The idea of gangs of black armor clad deportation squads trooping into neighborhoods in the night is a bit silly.

I agree, it's preposterous.

Posted by: Elian Gonzales at February 23, 2016 01:11 PM (8Y7+f)

62 I think the bible thing is gonna sink Cruz..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 23, 2016 01:08 PM (Yb7wo)

I think a 6 man race is what is going to sink Cruz. Evangelicals had no problem with Trump aping Cruz's stance with his mother's bible and mispronouncing of books in said bible.

Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 01:11 PM (UnJ7w)

63 Loving this viral video by millennial Chelsea sobbing over the meanness of southern Trump supporters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoAmll3ViQA

Posted by: Miley's Tongue dba Ylva of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy at February 23, 2016 01:11 PM (odjaN)

64 So, now both Cruz and Trump support going door-to-door to deport illegals.

Do I have that right?

Is that what the HQ supports?

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 23, 2016 01:12 PM (lVU49)

65 Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2016 01:09 PM (1xUj/)

Don't Rosh to judgement.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2016 01:12 PM (Zu3d9)

66

I thought this was interesting too.

and the squirmy nervousness of Rubio right before, here's the repost

here's the interviews with Rubio and Cruz on O'Reilly last night, worth a watch

start at 10:19 (to see Rubio squirm)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJicVu_kmbs

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 01:12 PM (qCMvj)

67 "And not to worry, HHS also explains that these 'primarily tropical
infections can be prevented through improved personal hygiene and
protected sex' and that if you do get them, the STDs can be cured 'with a
short, uncomplicated course of antibiotic therapy'' Hopefully they're
telling the immigrants that."

I like how HHS assumes that, a] These immigrants have good hygiene, and b] that people will be having sex with them voluntarily, considering the track record of the sorts of people they're letting in.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2016 01:12 PM (NOIQH)

68 Ah, "what is wrong with MUMR?" There is quite a question. Where to begin?
A much shorter treatise would be what is right with MUMR. As follows:

. The end

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 23, 2016 01:12 PM (xWW96)

69 The drug dealers won't self-deport.

They don't need proof of citizenship to work, not do they need welfare bennies.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 23, 2016 01:12 PM (r9tFS)

70 And technically, one cannot get welfare benefits without being in the country legally (doesn't have to be citizenship, but legal status). But nobody ever checks. And if a state were to ever actually check, you know damn well the ACLU would be filing a lawsuit the second that bill was signed.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:12 PM (0LHZx)

71 Another diplomatic triumph for Obozo. A cease fire has been negotiated in Syria.

Ya, there is a cease fire. US backed Rebel groups are fighting each other now, and not fighting Assad.

Posted by: Hobson the Indecisive at February 23, 2016 01:13 PM (XGn1r)

72 I'm not hungry. I've just been eating fast!

Posted by: glen beck at February 23, 2016 01:13 PM (WOyz5)

73
So SECURE the border, and rigorously enforce all aspects of EXISTING immigration law.

Watch what happens with self-deportation, being careful not to get in the way.

Check back in a year and see if anything needs tweaking.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 23, 2016 01:13 PM (P/8aq)

74 IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO SUPPORT...

IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO SUPPORT...

IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO SUPPORT...

IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO SUPPORT...

Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE MARCO RUBIO at February 23, 2016 01:08 PM

Ted Cruz points this out, and 3, 2, 1 ...

TED'S A LYING LIAR ...

TED'S A LYING LIAR ...

TED'S A LYING LIAR ...

It almost writes itself.

Posted by: Joanne at February 23, 2016 01:13 PM (hgBpU)

75 *** this post is suppose to be snarky sarcasm for those who don't know me.

Posted by: lindafell de spair at February 23, 2016 01:10 PM (xVgrA)

I'd like to get to know you. Heh.

Posted by: Bob Filner, Graduate, Encounter Groups of Cleveland, Inc. at February 23, 2016 01:13 PM (8ZskC)

76 If E-Verify and other measures are put into place, such as requiring proof of citizenship or legal status for welfare benefits, a lot of people will self-deport simply because they have to. If they can't work and also can't collect welfare benefits, then the US is no longer the economic attractor it once had been.

If the actual laws on the actual books about immigration were enforced, that would also help.

I'm not being snarky about this. Let's apply the laws as currently on the books for, say, three years and then reevaluate.

After all, those laws were the result of negotiation and compromise and it will go a decent way to rebuilding trust that new laws would be enforced.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 23, 2016 01:13 PM (mf5HN)

77 I'm not interested in listening to or reading MSM stuff, so for those with the fortitude to do so, what has been the reaction, if any to Trump's announcement that as president, he will order an investigation into Hillary's email security breach(es)?

Posted by: mrp at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (JBggj)

78 What about sanctuary cities located in states that require e-verify? Do they simply ignore it?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (/D5Lf)

79 Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 23, 2016 01:12 PM (lVU49)

Chemjeff, I recommend watching the video if you haven't. Cruz mainly riffs on enforcing existing law and like Ace said there will be some forceable deports but no storm troopers in black terrorizing everyone.

Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (UnJ7w)

80 The Law is the Law. It really shouldn't be asked about a candidate "would you deport or not". Ask them if they would back legislation changing legal status of those already here illegally. And this talking point about deporting those with felony convictions seems like a smokescreen to me. We don't wave traffic tickets for mothers of young children in order to prioritize prosecuting traffic violations of convicted felons, do we? If you get caught, you get caught.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (UypUQ)

81 Anyone got a spare Thorazine Dart?

Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (91LL3)

82 Bring out yer illegals !!! Bring out yer illegals !!!

Posted by: Door to Door Black Clad Guy at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (BHaRb)

83 If E-Verify and other measures are put into place, such as requiring proof of citizenship or legal status for welfare benefits, a lot of people will self-deport simply because they have to. If they can't work and also can't collect welfare benefits, then the US is no longer the economic attractor it once had been.

This is the sort of position I can get behind, but it needs teeth. Violators, from the smallest mom-and-pop to the largest corporation (and especially the largest corporation) need to have the fear of God put into them.

------------

And what if they make a mistake? What if someone at the company fails to go through E-Verify - who will be responsible?

Employers already have an obligation to verify legal status. You now want to add on top of that and add draconian penalties as well. Why do you think this will be more successful than the current law. If companies violate the current law, why will they now just accept E-Verify?

Why should Companies be in the business of enforcing this country's immigration laws? How has employer tax witholding worked out? Great for the federal government - not so great for those of us who want a limited federal government.

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (gmeXX)

84 Obama's going on about our values again re: Gitmo.

How the ckuf would this douche know anything about America's values? It's not like he grew up here during his formative years. Maybe he can go back to Indonesia and start talking about their values.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (4ErVI)

85 The Department of Health and Human Services this month opened
the borders to those with the STDs, deeming the communicable diseases
not a big threat to the United States.
___________________

Sure, why not allow a bunch of contagious disease-ridden foreigners into the U.S.? What could possibly go wrong? We have plenty of spare money lying around which we can use to pay for their medical treatment -- and the treatment of all the other people they infect while they're living here. And it's not as if our health care system is overloaded or anything, right? Those sick veterans are constantly getting pestered with phone calls from veterans' hospitals, begging them to come in for their appointments. Having a bunch of newly-infected foreigners will be great in that it will give lots of under-worked health care providers something to do with their time!

I love how they rationalize their decision by saying "it won't cost that much." Because that's the criteria we should be using in determining which foreigners to admit to the U.S. Not whether or how they will benefit the U.S., but whether they'll cost us billions of dollars, or just millions.

Idiots.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (df5V4)

86 So, now both Cruz and Trump support going door-to-door to deport illegals.

Do I have that right?

Posted by: chemjeff

Mebbe read the link. Or not.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (7E1Ic)

87 I don't think I registered in time to vote in the VA primary. The FCPS decided to cancel school for the safety of students since so many schools are polling places. Some folks are please and some are pissed they have to make arrangements for child care.

Posted by: no good deed at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (GgxVX)

88 Chemjeff for the troll. He shoots... and misses.

Posted by: mega machines at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (fbovC)

89 So, now both Cruz and Trump support going door-to-door to deport illegals.

Do I have that right?

Is that what the HQ supports?
---
Well, they're invaders and not in uniform, therefore illegal combatants who can be summarily executed with impunity.

We're supporting deportation out of a desire to be humane.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 23, 2016 01:15 PM (ZbV+0)

90 Back to Chelsea weepy vid...

She claims she encountered these Trump supporters doing a phone bank. Every phone bank I've ever done you call people in your own party reminding them to vote. You don't just cold call people trying to sway hearts and minds.

Does that mean that a large group of dems are secretly Trump supporters? How else would she run across them? Rush thinks the whole Chelsea thing is a hoax.

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2016 01:15 PM (hvf9s)

91 >>Can we still shoot dogs?

Only Chihuahua.

Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2016 01:15 PM (91LL3)

92 From living in AZ I can say self deportation willwork if done right.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW Assholier Than Thou at February 23, 2016 01:15 PM (uhftQ)

93 53

Every Tori Amos song sounds like every other Tori Amos song, I swear...
Posted by: Hillary for 30 Years to Life! at February 23, 2016 01:10 PM (+zqYj)

She hates Daddy and wants to have his baby. Set to music.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 23, 2016 01:15 PM (RD7QR)

94 Obama's going on about our values again re: Gitmo.

Not Who We Are. Rinse. Repeat.

GFY, ShitMidas.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 23, 2016 01:16 PM (8ZskC)

95 The administration has decided to let immigrants with three sexually transmitted diseases known for causing sores or lesions on genitalia to enter the United States, an expansion of a previous decision to let in those with HIV.

The Department of Health and Human Services this month opened the borders to those with the STDs, deeming the communicable diseases not a big threat to the United States.

Memo to all Omega Males currently sleeping with The SJWs Who Will Have You:

Your girlfriends are going to be screwing these STD carriers because Social Justice. So

If you like it and want to keep it, you should put a rubber on it.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at February 23, 2016 01:16 PM (kXoT0)

96

That's what ICE exists for.

yep

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 01:16 PM (qCMvj)

97 If E-Verify and other measures are put into place, such as requiring
proof of citizenship or legal status for welfare benefits, a lot of
people will self-deport simply because they have to. If they can't work
and also can't collect welfare benefits, then the US is no longer the
economic attractor it once had been.

This has been one of my recommendations for a long time. We already have an e-verify but it is not worth a tinker's damn. The system would have to be fixed. Also you have to put in some incentives for the employer to follow the law. Heavy fine for first offense of knowing hiring. Jail time for second offense. Business confiscation for third. And I would not count offenses by each illegal. If Ice raids a plant for the first time and net 3 illegals then that would be first offense.

But that is only one thing that is needed. Cut off ALL benefits to illegals.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 23, 2016 01:16 PM (t2KH5)

98 I turned this into an actual post about Cruz's newly announced deportation policy.

Posted by: ace at February 23, 2016 01:16 PM (dciA+)

99 So if the cops *can* go door-to-door to deport 12 million illegals, maybe the next leftwing president can decide that hey, maybe that same plan can be used to go door-to-door to confiscate 300 million guns....

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 23, 2016 01:16 PM (lVU49)

100 Jesus not full deportation. The left will be running holocaust boxcar pics. They got here on their own and they will go back with the right incentives. Make it impossible to get a job and cut benefits.

Posted by: bestie21 at February 23, 2016 01:16 PM (HUeC4)

101 Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (91LL3)

Yes, but it's heavy...about 180 grains, and pretty wide....about .30 inches.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2016 01:17 PM (Zu3d9)

102 Posted by: ace at February 23, 2016 01:16 PM (dciA+)

Eww, magic!!

Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 01:17 PM (UnJ7w)

103 When I used to listen to Dennis Prager (I don't know what time he's on now in my local area) he used to have a great segment once a week called "The Happiness Hour" and would share things about being happy or increasing your happiness. I think he basically says that in order to make the wold a better place it's incumbent upon us to be happy and a discipline to practice. that it I think he put this on every week no matter what was going on in the world.

I wish we had a happiness threadr-once a week, the same time every week, and in it no discussion of politics would take place. Just comments on what makes you happy (and not thinking about the death of every leftist or something awful like that) and what you celebrate or what you enjoy or what you do to increase your happiness. This place is getting increasingly argumentative. i would welcome a happiness thread.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2016 01:17 PM (w4NZ8)

104 Don't quote the troll.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 23, 2016 01:17 PM (RD7QR)

105 Then focus on criminal behavior.

Posted by: bestie21 at February 23, 2016 01:17 PM (HUeC4)

106 As for forcibly deported I would reserve that for anyone involved in a crime or a known criminal like wanted drug felons from Mexico who are the watch list.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 23, 2016 01:17 PM (t2KH5)

107 Jail time for second offense. Business confiscation for third.

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Holy cow are those draconian. No way I support that.

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:17 PM (gmeXX)

108 But that's a small part of this population. The Liberal position pushed by Rubio and the Open Borders crowd is that every illegal would be a stateless person should we eject them, or that enough them are so that we should treat them all as that.

they're sending their money "home" somewhere

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 01:17 PM (qCMvj)

109 45 How is there a perception that Cruz's campaign is almost over after 3 states (1-2-3) and The Walking Dead's Ben Carson is just fine?

Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 01:09 PM (UnJ7w)

The Money Men and the Media have declared it's Mario or they'll take their ball and vote for Bernie.

Posted by: Hikaru at February 23, 2016 01:17 PM (XMDuf)

110 Employers already have an obligation to verify legal status. You now want to add on top of that and add draconian penalties as well. Why do you think this will be more successful than the current law. If companies violate the current law, why will they now just accept E-Verify?

Why should Companies be in the business of enforcing this country's immigration laws? How has employer tax witholding worked out? Great for the federal government - not so great for those of us who want a limited federal government.
Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (gmeXX)

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This could be done quite easily. Companies have to withhold money for all their employees, right? So if the SSN doesn't pass an E-verify test, you can't hire the person. Takes 5 seconds. Will errors occur? Sure. And there will be an appeals process when those happen. But that will be up to the employee to figure out.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:18 PM (0LHZx)

111 The government should take a two-fold deportation strategy:
1. Self deportation. As ace points out, as the government makes it harder and harder for illegals to work and live in this country, many will decide that their own self interest lies with them just going home.

2. Actual round-'em-up-and-ship-them-out style deportations. This makes the most sense in situations where the government can get lots of bang for their buck. Obviously, criminals already in custody are a no-brainer. Also, things like work sites that are suspected to have lots of illegals. Scoop them up and ship them out. Also, places where illegals tend to congregate: the day laborers hanging out in front of Home Depot, homeless encampments, etc.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 23, 2016 01:18 PM (R+30W)

112 I love how they rationalize their decision by saying "it won't cost that much."

Just this morning 0bama was crying about the cost of Gitmo and how much money could be saved by moving prisoners to the suburban DC area.

A decision I embrace wholeheartedly.

Posted by: mega machines at February 23, 2016 01:18 PM (fbovC)

113 57 Well, after reading all the arguments on the last thread, I am now totally convinced that Mario is the only electable candidate, and he's not a lying liar either. He's the only chance we have......NOT!!!!**
*** this post is suppose to be snarky sarcasm for those who don't know me.
Posted by: lindafell de spair at February 23, 2016 01:10 PM (xVgrA)

I'm sorry-when you write Mario, all I can picture is that plumber character from the video game.

I'm a bad person.

Posted by: Moki at February 23, 2016 01:18 PM (7q2ch)

114 >>Saw a friend wearing a hat and asked what's up with that? He is being treated for precancer cells on his scalp with a topical medicine. He said his head was a mess and I didnt ask to look. I did look on the internet and yeah, those lesions are nasty. And if they have to do surgery, they leave big holes in your head.

Buddy of mine had that treatment for skin cancer on his lips. Took the skin right off. Not a good look but a hell of a lot better than cancer.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 23, 2016 01:18 PM (/tuJf)

115 >>If E-Verify and other measures are put into place, such as requiring
proof of citizenship or legal status for welfare benefits, a lot of
people will self-deport

How about states stop issuing them freakin' drivers licenses, banks stop giving them loans, the IRS stop sending them tax refunds?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2016 01:18 PM (NOIQH)

116 On current trajectory, in a week Cruz will win Texas and Trump will win all the others. Rubio won't have won a single state -- not a one -- and will be a distant 4th in the key swing state of Ohio.

But somehow Rubio is the Establishment darling and the only alternative to Trump who will bring The End of the World As We Know It?

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 23, 2016 01:18 PM (r1fLd)

117 Why should Companies be in the business of enforcing this country's immigration laws?
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You mean aside from aiding and abetting the Reconquista?

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 23, 2016 01:18 PM (ZbV+0)

118 Insisting that 'evangelicals' will fall in behind whoever panders to them the most is kind of an 'identity politics' mindset, isn't it? Perhaps 'evangelical' voters are just realizing that politicians lie and when they appeal to them as 'evangelicals' it can as often as not simply be dishonest like on any other subject.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 23, 2016 01:19 PM (oVJmc)

119 High school valedictorians hardest hit.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 23, 2016 01:19 PM (8ZskC)

120 So if the cops *can* go door-to-door to deport 12 million illegals,
maybe the next leftwing president can decide that hey, maybe that same
plan can be used to go door-to-door to confiscate 300 million guns....>>>

There are 300 million "Illegal" guns?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 23, 2016 01:19 PM (XtAzU)

121 64: "Is that what the HQ supports?"

Damn skippy.

And twice on Sundays.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 23, 2016 01:19 PM (yiTg1)

122 This could be done quite easily. Companies have to withhold money for all their employees, right? So if the SSN doesn't pass an E-verify test, you can't hire the person. Takes 5 seconds. Will errors occur? Sure. And there will be an appeals process when those happen. But that will be up to the employee to figure out.

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Well if we have learned one lesson, it is this. Adding a layer of bureaucracy always works out well for the federal government. Not so much for its citizens.

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:19 PM (gmeXX)

123 I like Ace's "self-deportation" plan.

"Disincentivize" the reasons for coming here, and they'll stop coming here.

Take Europe for example: The Scandinavian countries foolishly foolishly foolishly made free welfare benefit, free health care and free "minimum income" available to ANYONE who came there, even illegally.

Do you think that desert-dwelling Arabs and tropics-dwelling Africans LIKE living in the freezing Arctic? No -- they hate it, and frequently complain. But they flock to Scandinavia anyway BECAUSE OF OF THE FREEBIES and for no other reason.

If Scandinavia "disincentivized" illegal (or even legal) immigration by reserving all the social welfare benefits to citizens only, I wager than in couple of months every single "refugee" would self-evacuate out of the place back to the desert.

Same would be true (in a slightly messier/murkier way) here in the US. Economic refugees who want to work hard would continue coming here, but layabouts an leeches would have no reason to come, and so would stay home.

And this plan doesn't involve any jackbooted thugs.

Posted by: zombie at February 23, 2016 01:19 PM (jBuUi)

124 Employers already have an obligation to verify legal status. You now want to add on top of that and add draconian penalties as well. Why do you think this will be more successful than the current law. If companies violate the current law, why will they now just accept E-Verify?
Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (gmeXX)

Absolutely true. At my last job before retirement, one of the HR chickies lost a bunch of I-9s and the accompanying copies of the SS cards. It was years after we'd been hired, but, we had to bring in our SS cards and do a new I-9. She was crying the whole time we were there taking care of it.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at February 23, 2016 01:19 PM (kXoT0)

125 Trump to be along shortly to call out Cruz as a real sicko who wants to separate families, lyingly be a liar about his lies, and in general make America not so great again.

Posted by: Jaws at February 23, 2016 01:20 PM (Jktp1)

126 11-Can we also NOT give non-citizens the right to vote? I'm just a little peeved that someone thinks that's a good idea. If you are not a citizen, you don't have a vested interest in the country, nor should you have a say in that country's elections. Just. No.

And if they want to get all European about it, there is not another country that permits non citizens to vote.

Posted by: Moki at February 23, 2016 01:20 PM (7q2ch)

127 >>Is that what the HQ supports?

No. We need them for the General Election.

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman Schulz at February 23, 2016 01:20 PM (91LL3)

128 How about states stop issuing them freakin' drivers licenses, banks stop giving them loans, the IRS stop sending them tax refunds?
Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2016 01:18 PM (NOIQH)

Wouldn't it be great if we could just stop all that crap without a fight?

Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 01:20 PM (UnJ7w)

129 Posted by: ace at February 23, 2016 01:16 PM

It wasn't there, & now it is

Posted by: BizarroWorld Admiral Decker at February 23, 2016 01:20 PM (ZQfW9)

130 Why should Companies be in the business of enforcing this country's immigration laws?
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You mean aside from aiding and abetting the Reconquista?

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People are aware that all employers must gather information on an employee's legal status - right?

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:20 PM (gmeXX)

131 The drug dealers won't self-deport.

Possibly not, though we'll certainly have a few less customers snorting your money up their noses.

Posted by: Drug Dealers at February 23, 2016 01:21 PM (87y4e)

132 I remember a few years ago I did a car stop on a guy in West Baltimore. He was a Nigerian dude that had a deportation warrant out for him. He tried to tell me that the warrant was for his brother, not him. Well, in the computer database attached to the warrant was a picture of the guy. The pic was from his wedding. It showed him all smiling with his new bride. I showed him the pic and all hope just left his face. The thing is , even with a warrant I had a hard time getting anyone to hold the guy over so INS could come get him the next day. Baltimore had/has a rule that they won't detain people on deportation warrants.
My point is that if police were allowed to stop and detain people here illegally then some of this problem would be addressed.

Posted by: Jubal Anderson Early at February 23, 2016 01:21 PM (RdP/w)

133 >>Cruz's position isn't really a flip-flop, nor heartless. But it sounds like self-deportation to me, combined with actual deportation.

So Romney's plan then. Boy we sure dodged a bullet not electing that guy.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 23, 2016 01:22 PM (/tuJf)

134 Jesus not full deportation. The left will be running holocaust boxcar pics. They got here on their own and they will go back with the right incentives. Make it impossible to get a job and cut benefits.
Posted by: bestie21 at February 23, 2016 01:16 PM (HUeC4)

The funniest part is you won't even need a wall to make this work. Just enforce the law.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 23, 2016 01:22 PM (xuouz)

135 Hypothetical: Does anyone think Cruz would be taking this position if Trump had not been collaring his base voters and Rubio had been hitting him with the "liar" charge?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsor of the 2016 Trump of Doom Tour! at February 23, 2016 01:22 PM (hLRSq)

136 Deporting 12 million illegals would leave 12 million here but it would be a good start.

Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at February 23, 2016 01:22 PM (1BQGO)

137 Moki,
Mario is what ace has been calling the rube since the last podcast or two.

Posted by: lindafell de spair at February 23, 2016 01:22 PM (xVgrA)

138 So, now both Cruz and Trump support going door-to-door to deport illegals.

Do I have that right?

Is that what the HQ supports?
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 23, 2016 01:12 PM (lVU49)Let's start with E-verify. And yanking them off the welfare teat. Pull their "courtesy" driver's licenses. Make it as miserable as can be to be an illegal alien. Hell, if we're going to import anything, let's import Mexico's immigration policy.And then, for the hard cases that won't get out? Physically throw them out.Nobody has the right to stroll across the border and demand access to my wallet. That's what I support.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 23, 2016 01:22 PM (X6fMO)

139 Since it is rapey Tuesday...

Does the Horde think pop tartlet Kesha was raped by the producer she is trying to get out of a contract with? OR, is she crying rape falsely to get out of her contract?

Also apparently she is broke, how is that possible? Her stupid songs about getting wasted and nihilistic were everywhere. Taylor Swift gave her money to keep her afloat. Then Demi Lovato got into a Twitter spat with Swift fans over the donation, proving feminism's main goal is to rip other women down.

*ends AoS pop news update*

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2016 01:23 PM (hvf9s)

140 The funniest part is you won't even need a wall to make this work. Just enforce the law.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 23, 2016 01:22 PM (xuouz)

Nobody can be sure of that because it's never been tried.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 23, 2016 01:23 PM (8ZskC)

141 There is a reason there are so many international call credit cards sold in neighborhoods where immigrants live. That's because they're keeping touch with family and friends back home.

And sending cash back home via Western Union.

Posted by: no good deed at February 23, 2016 01:23 PM (GgxVX)

142 O'Reilly is beside himself.
If you've watched previous shows, he argues all of the time with Trump that he won't be able to do what he says. He says "it ain't gonna happen."

When he's proven wrong, he goes nuts. So, here he is with both Rubio and Cruz asking this question, and almost losing it again when Cruz answers.

Love it. O'Reilly doesn't get it. At. All.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 01:23 PM (qCMvj)

143
99 So if the cops *can* go door-to-door to deport 12 million illegals, maybe the next leftwing president can decide that hey, maybe that same plan can be used to go door-to-door to confiscate 300 million guns....
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 23, 2016 01:16 PM (lVU49)

There is so much bullshit in this statement you should feel shame.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 23, 2016 01:23 PM (QadG4)

144
Well if we have learned one lesson, it is this. Adding a layer of bureaucracy always works out well for the federal government. Not so much for its citizens.
Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:19 PM (gmeXX)

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What extra layer? Everything to do what I suggest is already in place right now. Everify exists already. Employers already collect payroll taxes on behalf of the govt. Employers already have to verify legal status before hiring an employee. All I am proposing is that these 3 entities be merged into one process. If anything it would make life easier for employers.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:23 PM (0LHZx)

145 >>>So Romney's plan then. Boy we sure dodged a bullet not electing that guy.

hey you know i'm a huge fan of romney. we discover Romney Was Right every month.

Posted by: ace at February 23, 2016 01:23 PM (dciA+)

146 We are going to pass legislation to close the border.

Then we are going to do the responsible thing and pass an amnesty bill at 2AM.

Posted by: Marco the Rube at February 23, 2016 01:23 PM (2bqlb)

147 I would welcome a happiness thread.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2016 01:17 PM (w4NZ

AKA Pet Thread

Or did that get political?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at February 23, 2016 01:24 PM (/D5Lf)

148 All we need is a President willing to enforce the laws on the books, and rescind executive orders like DACA and DAPA. Oh yeah, and build a wall that Mexico pays for.

Whatever you think of Trump, he's established Point #1: Illegals have no right to be here and Point #2: The USA is not helpless to do anything about #1.

The long slide into 20 to 30 million illegals began many years ago and included the George Bush years of 2001 to 2009. A nation that can't control its borders is no longer a nation. You can't have open borders and a welfare state. It's become an existential threat.

You'd think the Republican Establishment would have learned something from what happened to Eric Cantor, but instead Karl Rove tried to foist Jeb "it's an act of love" on us. How'd that turn out.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 23, 2016 01:24 PM (r1fLd)

149 Pull their "courtesy" driver's licenses.

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Do you want the federal government to do this?

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:24 PM (gmeXX)

150 So if the cops *can* go door-to-door to deport 12 million illegals,

maybe the next leftwing president can decide that hey, maybe that same

plan can be used to go door-to-door to confiscate 300 million guns....>>>
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I say no.

Posted by: 300 million guns at February 23, 2016 01:24 PM (ZbV+0)

151 It's good that Cruz is making a stand that is differing him from the udder two on immigration. But with today's news that we let in immigrants with every disease known to man, basically, that would be another point at which a savvy candidate could stand up and yell Stop about.

I'm also thinking that a candidate could make some hay by declaring Guantanamo a critical national security need for holding and interrogating terrorists that can't be tried in our court system.

Alas, it's the same o same o talking points from the Big Three (though Trump vowing to see Hillary! prosecuted is a new one).

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 23, 2016 01:24 PM (gyKtp)

152 99
So if the cops *can* go door-to-door to deport 12 million illegals,
maybe the next leftwing president can decide that hey, maybe that same
plan can be used to go door-to-door to confiscate 300 million guns....

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 23, 2016 01:16 PM (lVU49)

The only person I have seen raid a house door to door to deport somebody is Clinton and Elian Gonzales fiasco.

Nobody here and no political candidate that I have hear said anything about that,.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 23, 2016 01:24 PM (t2KH5)

153 Just this morning 0bama was crying about the cost of Gitmo and how much money could be saved by moving prisoners to the suburban DC area.
________________________

Yes, pretty rich coming from a man who has spent -- what is it, $86 million or something like that -- of taxpayer money just on lavish vacations in the past few years.

But suddenly, Mr. $1 billion (what the WH spends each year on itself) is worried about saving money.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 23, 2016 01:24 PM (df5V4)

154 99:"..maybe that same plan can be used to go door-to-door to confiscate 300 million guns...."

They can certainly try. I won't lay good odds on their success.

Our forefathers displayed the remedy to such actions a couple hundred years ago.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 23, 2016 01:25 PM (yiTg1)

155 137- I know...
but that's still all I can see in my mind. Oc course now, it's rubio with the mario mustache and hat.

I am really a bad person.

Posted by: Moki at February 23, 2016 01:25 PM (7q2ch)

156 I am very glad ace has come here to interpret the words of Ted Cruz. His ways are mysterious, it's true.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 23, 2016 01:25 PM (Xd2w5)

157 What extra layer? Everything to do what I suggest is already in place right now. Everify exists already. Employers already collect payroll taxes on behalf of the govt. Employers already have to verify legal status before hiring an employee. All I am proposing is that these 3 entities be merged into one process. If anything it would make life easier for employers.

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The history of the federal government suggest otherwise. But sure let's trust them on this.

Beside how does E-verify solve the problem of those employers who hire people and pay them off the books?

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:25 PM (gmeXX)

158 Whoops, posted OT news thinking this was still an open thread, sorry Ace! Not sure what gender the thread is now.

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2016 01:26 PM (hvf9s)

159 54 The feds are suing state who want to verify
citizenship TO VOTE. And Obamas judges are saying no way Jose!! So the
odds of these same judges allowing a citizenship test for welfare is
less than zero.

And these judges aren't going away when Obama goes away.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:10 PM (0LHZx)

I have some news for you Mr Moo Moo. The law ALREADY says you have to be a citizen to get welfare and food stamps etc. THEY.ARE.NOT.ENFORCING.IT

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 23, 2016 01:26 PM (t2KH5)

160 May I rudely comment on an aspect of the previous thread?

Here are the "headlines" from the "Morning News Dump" a couple threads back:

"Hypocrisy on display
If I only had applied myself
Well, he won't do that again
Ithaca, NY enabler
The sun rises in the east
Business as usual
Good news on the medical front
First US factory hopes to build in Cuba
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you?"

Aside from the second-to-last one, every single one of these headlines are 2010-style Buzzfeed-esque "clickbait" headlines which intentionally reveal NOTHING about the linked article's topic.

This was annoying when it became commonplace in 2010-ish, but by now it is not only annoying, it is boring and uninviting and offputting. Back then, the theory was that users would have to sigh frustratedly and say, "Gee, if I want to find out what this article is about, I've have to click the link!" But by now, after the technique has ben used and abused endlessly, the average user no longer even cares and does NOT bother to click any such links any more. I certainly don't.

When can we get back to old-school headlines which actually reveal what the article is about? I.e. the way is it supposed to be?

Posted by: zombie at February 23, 2016 01:26 PM (jBuUi)

161 Does the Horde think pop tartlet Kesha was raped by the producer she is trying to get out of a contract with? OR, is she crying rape falsely to get out of her contract?

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Doesn't she spell her name Ke$ha? That may be a clue.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 23, 2016 01:27 PM (wqZ9E)

162 HA going to Facebook comments was the coup de grace for me. I removed it from my bookmarks and Sorry, but I'm not hitting the hotlinks.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 23, 2016 01:27 PM (GGCsk)

163 Let me ask this hypothetical: How many of you would be eager to re-locate to Costa Rica as an illegal, while not speaking Spanish? Let's say there was a good reason for it, a good job, though an illegal one (in the sense that you have no papers, not that the job is inherently criminal).

Keep in mind that the country of Mexico, and groups like La Raza are helping and guiding them through the process. They are not going it alone. They have support every step of the way, all the way into our government offices to start drawing money from the taxpayers. Even water drops. And booklets drawn up in Mexico.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 01:27 PM (qCMvj)

164 Anyone got a spare Thorazine Dart?
Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (91LL3)

Sure!

*blowdarts into your glute*

Oh. Was that not what you meant?

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 23, 2016 01:27 PM (mf5HN)

165 >>The idea of gangs of black armor clad deportation squads trooping into neighborhoods in the night is a silly fantasia

Fine. We'll go with something more festive.

Posted by: ICE Uniform Designers at February 23, 2016 01:27 PM (91LL3)

166 heartless. Republicans wanting to send back honest hardworking immigrants to their decrepit rotten countries. Only the nobel Democrats think these folks are entitled to stay here and get exploited by heartless Republican controlled corporations. Will you stand with us for the perpetuation of the shadow class and disregard of the rule of law?

Posted by: california red at February 23, 2016 01:27 PM (sBAYv)

167 >>>I would welcome a happiness thread.

sounds like a good idea, any idea for any specific theme or what?

Like things you're grateful for (seems a little trite), or positive stories, or... I don't know. It's a very good idea but I'm not very good with Happy angles. Throw me some suggestions, if you have them.

Posted by: ace at February 23, 2016 01:27 PM (dciA+)

168 So Romney's plan then. Boy we sure dodged a bullet not electing that guy.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 23, 2016 01:22 PM (/tuJf)

Hey! How the hell is Trump going to forcibly deport all these people? You think the public will have an appetite after watching a million Elian Gonzales taken away by storm troopers?! Cut the shit. You only have to forcibly deport a fraction for the rest to leave. Don't believe me?, just ask any Mexican immigrant about the "Migra". I already see you people looking to tar and feather Cruz as Romney 2.0 on immigration. Wake up, neither Trump nor another Candidate is going to Send in the army to forcibly remove over 12 million people from the country. Sorry if I'm coming off as a dick but your comment set me off.

Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 01:27 PM (UnJ7w)

169 Buddy of mine had that treatment for skin cancer on his lips. Took the skin right off. Not a good look but a hell of a lot better than cancer.

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Easy fix for the plastic surgeons. Take some excess skin off the scrotum and the patch is done.

Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2016 01:27 PM (Fmupd)

170 Just hold on a sec here. Will those deportees be allowed to bring their anchor babies with them when they head south? Because if they can't I don't know if I can go along with this.

Posted by: Hank at February 23, 2016 01:27 PM (xVYeR)

171 AKA Pet Thread

Or did that get political?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at February 23, 2016
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Of course its political. All dogs and cats are feeling The Bern because they are nature's socialists. They sit around all day, free food, a roof over their heads, health care, and they just look at you if you try to train them.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 23, 2016 01:28 PM (r65B3)

172 Beside how does E-verify solve the problem of those employers who hire people and pay them off the books?
Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:25 PM (gmeXX)

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Ahh the old "if a solution can't solve 100% of the problem, let's not even bother" argument.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:28 PM (0LHZx)

173 143
99 So if the cops *can* go door-to-door to deport 12 million illegals, maybe the next leftwing president can decide that hey, maybe that same plan can be used to go door-to-door to confiscate 300 million guns....
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 23, 2016 01:16 PM (lVU49)

There is so much bullshit in this statement you should feel shame.
Posted by: Buzzion

Ooooo, dead on dead action!!

Posted by: lindafell de spair at February 23, 2016 01:28 PM (xVgrA)

174

I will happily self-deport to Shakira's inner thighs...

Posted by: The Self-Deporter at February 23, 2016 01:28 PM (+zqYj)

175 64
So, now both Cruz and Trump support going door-to-door to deport illegals.

Do I have that right?

Is that what the HQ supports?

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 23, 2016 01:12 PM (lVU49)

\HONK!!!! Flag on the play. Strawmen not allowed

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 23, 2016 01:28 PM (t2KH5)

176 Locking up people who are trying to kill us is not who we are.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 23, 2016 01:29 PM (wqZ9E)

177 Let's start with E-verify. And yanking them off the welfare teat. Pull their "courtesy" driver's licenses. Make it as miserable as can be to be an illegal alien. Hell, if we're going to import anything, let's import Mexico's immigration policy.And then, for the hard cases that won't get out? Physically throw them out.Nobody has the right to stroll across the border and demand access to my wallet. That's what I support.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 23, 2016 01:22 PM (X6fMO)

Amen.

And like someone said upthread (I think), for the criminal types-yes, go to their doors and forcibly remove them. They do not have the right to come into our country, and kill our people. And we citizens should have the right to not fear some illegal committing a crime against us. It's bad enough that fellow citizens do it.

Posted by: Moki at February 23, 2016 01:29 PM (7q2ch)

178 >>>Aside from the second-to-last one, every single one of these headlines are 2010-style Buzzfeed-esque "clickbait" headlines which intentionally reveal NOTHING about the linked article's topic.

well, okay, I'll mention it to Misanthropic Human. But bear in mind he's trying to find some creative juice in a task that is sort of tedious. So i'll note that people want to know what the headline clicks on, but you have to let him have some fun too.

Posted by: ace at February 23, 2016 01:29 PM (dciA+)

179 @60

So nothing has changed?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah at February 23, 2016 01:29 PM (WVsWD)

180 And what if they make a mistake? What if someone at the company fails to go through E-Verify - who will be responsible?

Employers already have an obligation to verify legal status. You
now want to add on top of that and add draconian penalties as well. Why
do you think this will be more successful than the current law. If
companies violate the current law, why will they now just accept
E-Verify?

Why should Companies be in the business of enforcing this country's
immigration laws? How has employer tax witholding worked out? Great
for the federal government - not so great for those of us who want a
limited federal government.

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (gmeXX)
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C'mon, dude. The point of E-verify is that it will be an instantaneous check. They could make it an app... ask the employee to look into the camera and read off their socail security number. The E-verify database will match that number with existing social security records, as well as match for facial nonrecognition and or voice prints of previous entries under that same SSN.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 23, 2016 01:29 PM (UypUQ)

181 sounds like a good idea, any idea for any specific theme or what?

Ahem

Posted by: Beejers at February 23, 2016 01:29 PM (87y4e)

182 Marco has an older brother named Mario.

#DidNotKnowThat

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at February 23, 2016 01:29 PM (/D5Lf)

183 I have some news for you Mr Moo Moo. The law ALREADY says you have to be a citizen to get welfare and food stamps etc. THEY.ARE.NOT.ENFORCING.IT
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 23, 2016 01:26 PM (t2KH5)

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Yes and the law says you have to be a citizen to vote but if anyone tries to enforce it, the feds sue and liberal judges block the enforcement.

Do try and keep up.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:29 PM (0LHZx)

184
*blows horn*

1:30, and all's well. Okay, maybe not 'well' well.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 23, 2016 01:30 PM (9mTYi)

185 45 How is there a perception that Cruz's campaign is almost over after 3 states (1-2-3) and The Walking Dead's Ben Carson is just fine?
Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 01:09 PM (UnJ7w)

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Carson's campaign has been over since Iowa.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 23, 2016 01:30 PM (LXJ1e)

186 Does the Horde think pop tartlet Kesha was raped by the producer she is trying to get out of a contract with? OR, is she crying rape falsely to get out of her contract?

My interpretation: She jumped onto the casting couch and got her record deal, now she's figured out it was a shitty deal and wants out.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 23, 2016 01:30 PM (8Y7+f)

187 sounds like a good idea, any idea for any specific theme or what?
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McDonalds put Transformers and My Little Ponies back in their happy meals.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 23, 2016 01:30 PM (ZbV+0)

188 I wish we had a happiness threadr-once a week, the same time every week, and in it no discussion of politics would take place. Just comments on what makes you happy (and not thinking about the death of every leftist or something awful like that) and what you celebrate or what you enjoy or what you do to increase your happiness. This place is getting increasingly argumentative. i would welcome a happiness thread.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2016 01:17 PM (w4NZ

Alternative to Happiness Thread?
Nature.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf5TgVRGND4

part 1 and part 2
very funny

(but, it really does help to step away and go outside...)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 01:30 PM (qCMvj)

189 70
And technically, one cannot get welfare benefits without being in the
country legally (doesn't have to be citizenship, but legal status). But
nobody ever checks. And if a state were to ever actually check, you know
damn well the ACLU would be filing a lawsuit the second that bill was
signed.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:12 PM (0LHZx)

They most certainly do have to be a citizen. Legal immigrants must have a sponsor who will guarantee to provide for them if they fall on hard times (or bring hard times with them).
The DAMN problem is they are not enforcing the law under Obama.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 23, 2016 01:30 PM (t2KH5)

190 Buddy of mine had that treatment for skin cancer on his lips. Took the skin right off. Not a good look but a hell of a lot better than cancer.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 23, 2016 01:18 PM (/tuJf)

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Saw a lot of photos of lips when I image googled the drug. They showed the cancer cells on lips but not what the treatment does to them.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 23, 2016 01:31 PM (iQIUe)

191 >> but that's still all I can see in my mind. Oc course now, it's rubio with the mario mustache and hat.

The extended Kong family is where the truly interesting characters are.

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at February 23, 2016 01:31 PM (ml1PM)

192 Ahh the old "if a solution can't solve 100% of the problem, let's not even bother" argument.

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No - I want to know how adding an extra layer on top of employers who already must verify the legal status of all employees solves 5% of the problem.

Even if it does, I want to know why conservatives are so eager to commandeers private employers to enforce the country's immigration policy.

And based on history, why do they think this won't do anything but ensure a more permanent and expanded bureaucracy.

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:31 PM (gmeXX)

193 >>I already see you people looking to tar and feather Cruz as Romney 2.0 on immigration.

You haven't seen me do anything of the sort because I haven't done that. And I had no problem at all with Romney's plan which made a hell of a lot more sense than Trump Version 6.5 which says Romney's plan was cruel and his plan of building a ginormous wall and forcibly deporting every single illegal is totally doable.

I want Cruz to win. Lately, he seems intent on stepping on his own dick.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 23, 2016 01:31 PM (/tuJf)

194 >>>Whoops, posted OT news thinking this was still an open thread, sorry Ace! Not sure what gender the thread is now.

90% of threads whose headlines end in an "e" are feminine.

Posted by: ace at February 23, 2016 01:31 PM (dciA+)

195 McDonalds put Transformers and My Little Ponies back in their happy meals.

Squeeeeee!

Posted by: Bronies at February 23, 2016 01:31 PM (87y4e)

196

sounds like a good idea, any idea for any specific theme or what?

Like things you're grateful for (seems a little trite), or positive stories, or... I don't know. It's a very good idea but I'm not very good with Happy angles. Throw me some suggestions, if you have them.

Posted by: ace at February 23, 2016 01:27 PM (dciA+)

If we're talking relative happiness to what's been going on lately, how about bubonic plague?

Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2016 01:31 PM (Fmupd)

197 That HotAir post didn't help me a bit.

First : Cruz said something month(s) ago, then Cruz said something, then O'Really said something, and then Cruz said, 'sure I'll deport them'.

I have no idea what those words mean, but somehow we're sending the gestapo in to arrest and deport enemies of the state.

Posted by: Hobson the Indecisive at February 23, 2016 01:31 PM (XGn1r)

198
Its always been my contention that it is immoral not to force the (mexican, central american) population to force change in their own corrupt govts allowing those that are lucky enough to escape leave behind the millions that suffer under these regimes.

Our immigration non-enforcement allows those corrupt govts to continue.

I say 'Viva la Revolution!'.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 23, 2016 01:32 PM (ODxAs)

199 The E-verify database will match that number with existing social security records, as well as match for facial nonrecognition and or voice prints of previous entries under that same SSN.
Posted by: Serious Cat
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Mixed emotions.
The fact that the Central State Apparatus has that capability gives me the heebie-jeebies.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 23, 2016 01:32 PM (9mTYi)

200 Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 23, 2016 01:16 PM (lVU49)

I get this argument. We should not enforce existing law that had sufficient support to pass Congress and get signed by the President because in the future some hypothetical president may do a hypothetical act that I don't like.

I get it. I do not accept it.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsor of the 2016 Trump of Doom Tour! at February 23, 2016 01:32 PM (hLRSq)

201 Last full time job I had, I spent the first week doing nothing but paperwork and bullshit "orientation" work, like training videos, attended workshops on company policies, etc. I had a list of something like 45 items I had to complete that week. And it cost the company a week's salary of me doing jack all.

So while companies spend bazillions of dollars on bullshit like that every year, forcing then to use e-verify will be too much of a burden? Give me a fucking break.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:33 PM (0LHZx)

202 Fedoras shd make a comeback. If more men wore hats like they did in the olden days, less skin cancer I'm sure. Fedoras, straw hats, and those snappy brim flatcaps.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 23, 2016 01:33 PM (iQIUe)

203 >>>Aside from the second-to-last one, every single one of these headlines are 2010-style Buzzfeed-esque "clickbait" headlines which intentionally reveal NOTHING about the linked article's topic.

We are all Buzzfeed now.

I can see it being annoying if you are looking at them via phone only. But if via laptop you can scroll over and see the actual link at the bottom, usually the answer is revealed in the link. That's how I usually see them so I think the cryptic headlines are funny. My two cents.

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2016 01:33 PM (hvf9s)

204 Hey, Mario is my dad's name.

Posted by: Marco the Rube at February 23, 2016 01:33 PM (2bqlb)

205 My relatives went through the intricate process of immigrating legally. They never broke the law or took any assistance and they were proud of it.

So I've grown a little tired of being called a racist and heartless because I want people to obey our laws.

This is the United States. We are a constitutional republic with our own laws, culture and social mores. You want socialism and people to "take care of you"? Stay where you are and work to make it a better place just like we did here. Don't come to this country and become a card-carrying Marxist, undermine our society and become a burden for my family.

I'm sick of the whole thing and I've lost complete respect for both the industries who employ these people and the cultures pushing these people across the border.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 23, 2016 01:33 PM (GGCsk)

206
The Self-Deporter: A Film Treatment

Synopsis:
An Ex Latin Special Forces soldier gives illegals rides from the US into Mexico in very fast luxury cars. All goes awry when black clad troops snatch the illegals and force them to drive vans to Milwaukee...

Posted by: The Self-Deporter at February 23, 2016 01:33 PM (+zqYj)

207 83 Employers already have an obligation to verify legal
status. You now want to add on top of that and add draconian penalties
as well. Why do you think this will be more successful than the
current law. If companies violate the current law, why will they now
just accept E-Verify?

Why should Companies be in the business of enforcing this country's
immigration laws? How has employer tax witholding worked out? Great
for the federal government - not so great for those of us who want a
limited federal government.

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (gmeXX)

Because a shit pot of employers are IGNORING the law because the penalties are even lower than a slap on the wrist. And as I said way back, we already have e-verify, it just is a POS.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 23, 2016 01:33 PM (t2KH5)

208 Barry lets me drive the limo. So I guess you could say he blows the chauffeur.

Posted by: Reggie at February 23, 2016 01:33 PM (IDHFk)

209 As to employers, a system of cascading fines can work. A modest fine for a first offense that gets exponentially higher for repeat offenders. Maybe we have it already but just aren't enforcing it. Key is that some employers do it in volume and turn a blind eye to what they know are false papers.

No federal money to sanctuary cities. No highway money to states that give illegals drivers licenses. On principle, I'm against the Feds strong-arming the locals. But if I don't like my principles, I have others.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (r1fLd)

210 I'm predicting that Trump underperforms his polling tonight, but wins, Rubio stagnant, Cruz does better and Kasich is awarded a brown belt in Drunken Style Karate.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (3myMJ)

211 So while companies spend bazillions of dollars on bullshit like that every year, forcing then to use e-verify will be too much of a burden? Give me a fucking break.

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What about the small businesses?

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (gmeXX)

212 Posted by: JackStraw at February 23, 2016 01:31 PM (/tuJf)

I apologize again. I lost my cool and that's not cool.

Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (UnJ7w)

213 So Rubio is not going to CPAC. I just watched Rubio fluffer, AG_Conservative, basically claim Breitbart was making up the story about Rubio skipping out, despite the fact they had a statement from ACU specifically stating Rubio had informed them he wasn't going.

Rubio supporters are just the worst.

Posted by: Rich at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (MIdlN)

214 well, okay, I'll mention it to Misanthropic Human. But bear in mind he's trying to find some creative juice in a task that is sort of tedious. So i'll note that people want to know what the headline clicks on, but you have to let him have some fun too.

Posted by: ace

Thanks! I didn't mean to vent my frustration on Misanthropic Human personally, it's just that that post was the straw which broke the camel's back when it came to my patience with clickbait-style headlines. It was no different nor worse than the way most blogs have headlined most "news dump" links for the last five or six years. It's just that here, I have the opportunity to complain, whereas everywhere else I just mutely leave the site and never return.

Posted by: zombie at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (jBuUi)

215 Just do the national id. I was against it for a long time but what difference does it make at this point? If the Fed wants to look at me they can find every detail of my life anyway.

That's true of anyone on here. The fact that you have an internet connection tells me you can be tracked. You have a bank account, you probably have a drivers license or a state id, you probably pay taxes so who cares?

Then the id can be used for both employment and voting. Two things most of us care about.

Posted by: bestie21 at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (HUeC4)

216 LizLem, I like hearing pop news every once in a while. One of the places I used to read, that claimed it would ban you if you made bigoted comments, was full of bigoted comments about gun owners, rednecks, people who think killing a child inside the womb is just as bad as killing a child outside the womb, etc. IOW, they were bigoted about the correct people.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (FQKBL)

217 sounds like a good idea, any idea for any specific theme or what?

Like things you're grateful for (seems a little trite), or positive stories, or... I don't know. It's a very good idea but I'm not very good with Happy angles. Throw me some suggestions, if you have them.

Posted by: ace at February 23, 2016 01:27 PM (dciA+)

Happy stuff. Happy stuff.

I could just go through my hotassery pinterest board and post links.

I mean, those make me happy.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (mf5HN)

218 >> My interpretation: She jumped onto the casting couch and got her record
deal, now she's figured out it was a shitty deal and wants out.

Dude. Under the current policy of the presumptive President-Elect, unless the outie has the initials WJC, the innie is to be believe implicitly.

Please report to the Diversity Officer for reeducation.

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (ml1PM)

219 I guess "gangs of black armor clad deportation squads trooping into neighborhoods" is only OK if you are Elian Gonzales.

(and yeah, I just noticed someone made a similar point up thread, but the snark wants to be set free)

Posted by: Thatch at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (pBZp4)

220 A doctor I worked with had some nasty skin cancer on his ears. The plastic surgeon removed all of his ear skin and replaced it with skin from his thigh. Ouside of all the hair on his ears you wouldn't know anything had ever been done. It looked a lot better than skinless ears too.

Posted by: Hank at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (xVYeR)

221 "The idea of gangs of black armor clad deportation squads trooping into
neighborhoods in the night is a silly fantasia concocted by the Open
Borders crowd."

Hey, wait a minute, that is MY fantasy -- and I want it back!

Posted by: Heh at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (TPktQ)

222 So if the cops *can* go door-to-door to deport 12 million illegals, maybe the next leftwing president can decide that hey, maybe that same plan can be used to go door-to-door to confiscate 300 million guns....
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 23, 2016 01:16 PM (lVU49)

Oh noes Chemjeff your style of rhetoric is starting to resemble your arch nemises, Teh Donald.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 23, 2016 01:35 PM (dwNYN)

223 Because a shit pot of employers are IGNORING the law because the penalties are even lower than a slap on the wrist.

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Then why don't we just increase the penalites. Why do we need e-verify?

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:35 PM (gmeXX)

224 1:30, and all's well. Okay, maybe not 'well' well.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 23, 2016 01:30 PM (9mTYi)

oh, lunchtime!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 01:35 PM (qCMvj)

225 hey you know i'm a huge fan of romney. we discover Romney Was Right every month.

Proposition: The skills required for becoming President are at odds with skills of being a good President.

Discuss, if you wish.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2016 01:35 PM (1xUj/)

226 And what if they make a mistake? What if someone at the company fails to go through E-Verify - who will be responsible?

Employers already have an obligation to verify legal status. You now want to add on top of that and add draconian penalties as well. Why do you think this will be more successful than the current law. If companies violate the current law, why will they now just accept E-Verify?

Why should Companies be in the business of enforcing this country's immigration laws? How has employer tax witholding worked out? Great for the federal government - not so great for those of us who want a limited federal government.

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (gmeXX)

Well, that's pretty simple. Any individual can make a "mistake", like failing to do due diligence in ensuring that the person they hire is a lawful resident. So, small fine/slap on the wrist for first offense. Second offense, substantial fine, say 10% of previous year's net revenue for the employer. Third offense, serious jail time for CEO.

Punish the employers that make a habit of employing illegals.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 23, 2016 01:35 PM (afR/C)

227 Lefties are somehow able to square the circle of being incredibly racist and paternalistic, yet thinking they are the paladins of all minorities, championing their causes out of the sheer goodness of their souls. It's a pretty astonishing bit of mental gymnastics. 10's across the board, with the exception of a 7.8 from the Russian judge.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 23, 2016 01:35 PM (4/i9Y)

228 It's nice finally seeing some attention paid to what I've been hollering about for so long concerning enforcement and border security.

Kinda felt like beating one's head against a wall there.

I defy anyone to show me how doing this would not work.

At the very least, it will make an enormous difference.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 23, 2016 01:35 PM (P/8aq)

229 Unless your a hobo at the library.

Posted by: bestie21 at February 23, 2016 01:35 PM (HUeC4)

230 Nobody can be sure of that because it's never been tried.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 23, 2016 01:23 PM (8ZskC)

You're right, build it.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 23, 2016 01:35 PM (xuouz)

231 I have no idea what those words mean, but somehow we're sending the gestapo in to arrest and deport enemies of the state.

Posted by: Hobson
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*?!*

Perhaps I should read upthread, and I've missed something, but 'gestapo'?
*throws Godwin's Law flag*

I have no problem with a functionary of the state ejecting people who are illegally. That is their *job*.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 23, 2016 01:35 PM (9mTYi)

232 No - I want to know how adding an extra layer on top of employers who already must verify the legal status of all employees solves 5% of the problem.

Even if it does, I want to know why conservatives are so eager to commandeers private employers to enforce the country's immigration policy.

And based on history, why do they think this won't do anything but ensure a more permanent and expanded bureaucracy.
Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:31 PM (gmeXX)

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I ask again, what extra layer are you talking about. There are 3 layers right now. I am saying, combine those 3 into 1. Instead of doing 3 tasks, employers will now only do 1 task.

It's 2016 dude, this extra burden will take 10 seconds by typing a 9 digit SSN into an app and getting back a yes/no response. If your company can't handle this trivial task, perhaps you need to re-evaluate your administrative staff.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:35 PM (0LHZx)

233 #TrumpEffect

Posted by: Hawkins Aquinas (new name) at February 23, 2016 01:36 PM (TZYqp)

234 31 This comment thread guaranteed to be entirely shofar-free.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 23, 2016 01:04 PM

Shofar, go good
Posted by: AltonJackson at February 23, 2016 01:06 PM (ZQfW9)

Blow me.

Posted by: Shofar at February 23, 2016 01:36 PM (0mRoj)

235 sounds like a good idea, any idea for any specific theme or what?

I think we did this before-what was it called then? Something to do with "positive" in the title or celebration

The "No Politics Positive Thread"

"Celebration corner"

(and no, I really don't want to hear (in reference to the above joker) about how somebody got a blow job or their wife got breast enhancement, but that's just me. ;^)

maybe some other people have ideas. It doesn't have to be big stuff. In fact, I think that's probably what happiness largely consists of-being regularly grateful for small things.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2016 01:36 PM (w4NZ8)

236 Mario Rubio doesn't like to brag, but he's one of the reasons his brother, presidential candidate Marco Rubio, was born.

'Well, my mother called - she couldn't get a hold of my father and so I took her to the hospital to deliver him,' he told ABC News during a recent visit to a South Carolina field office.

At 21, he was old enough to be Marco's father - and that's exactly who hospital staff thought he was.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at February 23, 2016 01:36 PM (/D5Lf)

237
Pull their "courtesy" driver's licenses.

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Do you want the federal government to do this?Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:24 PM (gmeXX)No, I prefer the states do it. But if a state decides it wants to harbor illegals, then that state's federal bennies should be yanked. If Massachusetts wants to be a sanctuary state, then let them survive on their own. And, since I'm dreaming, make it a federal law that any sanctuary state orcity where a crime is committed by an illegal is fully liable for that crime.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 23, 2016 01:36 PM (X6fMO)

238 Well, this will make Phil Valentine somewhat happy. . .

Posted by: David Wellman at February 23, 2016 01:36 PM (Hi6cL)

239 Punish the employers that make a habit of employing illegals.

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I'm not sure why E-verify is necessary to do that. We already have a law in place.

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:36 PM (gmeXX)

240 It may be a little too late to try to out-trump Trump.

Posted by: JohnJ at February 23, 2016 01:36 PM (TF/YA)

241 broseidon this

Posted by: bestie21 at February 23, 2016 01:36 PM (HUeC4)

242 Beside how does E-verify solve the problem of those employers who hire people and pay them off the books?
Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:25 PM (gmeXX)

That's what Treasury Agents are for. And I bet their state's Treasury Departments will want a word with them also.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsor of the 2016 Trump of Doom Tour! at February 23, 2016 01:36 PM (hLRSq)

243 >>I apologize again. I lost my cool and that's not cool.

No need.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 23, 2016 01:36 PM (/tuJf)

244 "Discuss, if you wish.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2016 01:35 PM (1xUj/) "

I'm not really sure what the skills required to become President are. A lot of money (either internally or through donors), ass-kissing, the right last name helps, a dedicated team of media fluffers...I'm surely missing something.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 23, 2016 01:37 PM (4/i9Y)

245 Romney talked a good game on self-deportation but it was all a lie.

Posted by: Geoffrey at February 23, 2016 01:37 PM (LoRcb)

246 I thought I could get a job with a cartel. But they dont take just anybody. You have to have a large family and provide names, addresses, photos so they can whack them if you eff up.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 23, 2016 01:37 PM (iQIUe)

247 A metric crap ton of these illegals get trickle down 'welfare' c because they squirted out a citizen baby. It will become a million soap operas. But will a mother leave a child behind? Not my problem.

OUT! GTFO!

Posted by: Vegas Ed at February 23, 2016 01:37 PM (H101b)

248 Please report to the Diversity Officer for reeducation.

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (ml1PM)

Psssh. I've do that quarterly at work for the past 12 years. It still hasn't taken.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 23, 2016 01:37 PM (8Y7+f)

249 I believe someone voting as a non-citizen, who is fully aware they are not eligible to do so and thus undermining our country is by definition an enemy of state and a clear and present danger to our country. I don't give a shit where they come from, their nationality, socioeconomic status or any other demographic.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 23, 2016 01:37 PM (GGCsk)

250 It's a pretty astonishing bit of mental gymnastics. 10's across the board, with the exception of a 7.8 from the Russian judge.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean
--------------

I've been thinking about having a bumper sticker printed:

"Common Sense, Our Other National Deficit"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 23, 2016 01:37 PM (9mTYi)

251 So Cruz went from legalization to deportation in 2 months, that's pretty good.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 23, 2016 01:37 PM (LXJ1e)

252 If we deport millions of illegal welfare recipients Social Security will go broke! We need their kids to pay for our retirement, which I'm sure they will happily do for the rest of their lives.

Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at February 23, 2016 01:37 PM (1BQGO)

253 Remember that dentist whose life was ruined because he hunted a lion in Zimbabwe? Well now Zimbabwe wants to "cull" 200 lions because of overpopulation. Culling isn't evil like hunting.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 23, 2016 01:38 PM (wqZ9E)

254 Marcus - *fist bump*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 23, 2016 01:38 PM (9mTYi)

255 maybe some other people have ideas. It doesn't have to be big stuff. In fact, I think that's probably what happiness largely consists of-being regularly grateful for small things.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2016 01:36 PM (w4NZ

there was a website devoted just to this, but they didn't update it enough

it was nice tho
of course I went there every day for a while
but, they just didn't keep up with it

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 01:38 PM (qCMvj)

256 OT mood upper

No/S... History Repeating by the Propellerheads/Shirley Bassey is a very good song... check it out...

OT trivia, who was the only singer to do more than 1 Bond opening creds song?

Posted by: The Self-Deporter at February 23, 2016 01:38 PM (+zqYj)

257 I'm predicting that Trump underperforms his polling tonight, but wins, Rubio stagnant, Cruz does better and Kasich is awarded a brown belt in Drunken Style Karate. Posted by: Meremortal at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (3myMJ)

After the wimmens come out of their kitchens of course!

Posted by: Kasich at February 23, 2016 01:38 PM (hvf9s)

258 I really miss the days of posts of top lists, Haikus, deep thoughts, movie reviews, ____ is so mean that...., and other assorted pop subjects.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 23, 2016 01:39 PM (dwNYN)

259 'We have come Shofar to give up who we are.'

Posted by: Daft Punk at February 23, 2016 01:39 PM (91LL3)

260 Then why don't we just increase the penalites. Why do we need e-verify?
Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:35 PM (gmeXX)

____

Because everify will be a policing mechanism. Right now all an employer has to do is decide on its own whether the employee is legally here. E-Verify takes the decision away from the employer.

Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

And it would be a lot easier. Right now employers have to manually inspect documents provided by employees. Compare that, to entering some info into an app? Which would be easier for the employer?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:39 PM (0LHZx)

261 ♪ I blew the chauffeur
But I did not blow no maitre-d' ♫

Posted by: president o'bumbles at February 23, 2016 01:39 PM (WOyz5)

262 It might be interesting to see how many of the Hispanics that work at the Vegas Trump casino vote for him.

Posted by: Hank at February 23, 2016 01:39 PM (xVYeR)

263 "Happiness thread."

"sounds like a good idea, any idea for any specific theme or what?"

Ballistics. Internal, external, terminal - whatever.

Posted by: Jaws at February 23, 2016 01:40 PM (Jktp1)

264 >>Proposition: The skills required for becoming President are at odds with skills of being a good President.

Absolutely and it was always my biggest problem with Romney. He just isn't a good politician but I do think he would have done a very good job in office.

Hell, what hasn't he been proven correct about?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 23, 2016 01:40 PM (/tuJf)

265 >>Why should Companies be in the business of enforcing this country's immigration laws?

WHat's galling is that companies are expected to enforce immigration laws while just about everyone else is intentionally undermining them , such as:
--sanctuary cities
--banks that give them loans
--states that give them drivers licenses and allow them to vote
--state and federal entities that give them entitlements, such as Obamacare
--IRS who knows they are processing returns from illegals

And on and on.

I am all for companies complying with the laws, but I would really like to have all of the other entities aiding illegals to stop systematically, intentionally undermining immigration laws, too.

Funny how all the people who say "we can't just deport all of them" never want to talk about all the **other** things that could be done to get them to self-deport ASAP.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2016 01:40 PM (NOIQH)

266 So Rubio is not going to CPAC. I just watched Rubio fluffer, AG_Conservative, basically claim Breitbart was making up the story about Rubio skipping out, despite the fact they had a statement from ACU specifically stating Rubio had informed them he wasn't going.

Rubio supporters are just the worst.
Posted by: Rich at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (MIdlN)

ACU confirmed that Rubio isn't attending.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 23, 2016 01:40 PM (mf5HN)

267 We are all Buzzfeed now.

I can see it being annoying if you are looking at them via phone only. But if via laptop you can scroll over and see the actual link at the bottom, usually the answer is revealed in the link. That's how I usually see them so I think the cryptic headlines are funny. My two cents.
Posted by: LizLem

They are somewhat funny -- or rather reassuring, because they reveal that the writer shares my weariness and snarky sarcasm when it comes to "bad news" -- but as with all novelties, the effect wears off after a while. For me, it has worn off. Your mileage may vary.

I know that I can hover over the link and see the URL, but why make the user go to that effort when you could just reveal the info uninflectedly in the headline itself?

Posted by: zombie at February 23, 2016 01:40 PM (jBuUi)

268 When can we get back to old-school headlines which actually reveal what the article is about? I.e. the way is it supposed to be?

Posted by: zombie at February 23, 2016 01:26 PM (jBuUi)

I do it every morning except those where the rocking chair has me.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 23, 2016 01:40 PM (t2KH5)

269 So Cruz went from legalization to deportation in 2 months, that's pretty good.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 23, 2016 01:37 PM (LXJ1e)

I wonder if Cruz will let the "Good One's" come back like your man Trump has promised?

Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 01:40 PM (UnJ7w)

270 Too little, too late from Cruz. And I still don't hear him saying he will support requiring E-Verify nationwide.

Posted by: cool breeze at February 23, 2016 01:40 PM (ckvus)

271 Ace,

OT, but there is some new code at your site that is continuously crashing my browser (Firefox). Its a script that won't finish. Started happening a couple weeks ago.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 23, 2016 01:40 PM (UypUQ)

272 I have no problem with a functionary of the state ejecting people who are illegally. That is their *job*.

Neither do I have a problem with ICE deporting border jumpers. But the argument up thread seems to have progressed to an army of SWAT going door to door to arrest non citizens and deport them in mass.

Maybe it was the HotAir article, maybe it was O'Rielly, or maybe it was just a local provocateur extending the argument.

Posted by: Hobson the Indecisive at February 23, 2016 01:41 PM (XGn1r)

273 >>Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 23, 2016 01:38 PM (9mTYi)
<<

I've just grown so tired of the pathos arguments as a reason for undermining our country. There is no "good" reason for that and it doesn't prove anything except you're not fit to live in a democratic republic. I'm so sick of the sophistic arguments for subterfuge.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 23, 2016 01:41 PM (GGCsk)

274 >>> One of the places I used to read, that claimed it would ban you if you made bigoted comments, was full of bigoted comments about gun owners, rednecks, people who think killing a child inside the womb is just as bad as killing a child outside the womb, etc. IOW, they were bigoted about the correct people.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (FQKBL)

That seems to be every pop culture site now! On most I just avoid the comments entirely. Only place doing pop news that has half sane commenters is the Daily Mail.

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2016 01:41 PM (hvf9s)

275 A teenage Swedish girl being held by Islamic State militants in Iraq was rescued in a raid by Kurdish special forces last week, the autonomous region's security council said in a statement on Tuesday.

The 16-year-old traveled from Sweden to Syria last year and then crossed the border into Iraq, where she was rescued near the Islamic State stronghold of Mosul on Feb. 17 by forces from the Kurdish counterterrorism department, the statement added.

The Kurdish security council identified the rescued teenager as coming from the town of Boras and said she had been misled into making the journey to Syria by an Islamic State member in Sweden.
-----

Wouldn't have risked a damn thing for the idiot.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at February 23, 2016 01:41 PM (/D5Lf)

276 I'm not really sure what the skills required to become President are.

I was referring to ace on Romney.

I think Romney would have been quite a good President, but he didn't have the things inside that it would have taken to get there.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2016 01:41 PM (1xUj/)

277 >> Blow me.
>> Posted by: Shofar at February 23, 2016 01:36 PM

You just had to horn in, didn't you?

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at February 23, 2016 01:41 PM (ml1PM)

278 252 If we deport millions of illegal welfare recipients Social Security will go broke! We need their kids to pay for our retirement, which I'm sure they will happily do for the rest of their lives.
Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at February 23, 2016 01:37 PM (1BQGO)

_____

This is by far the stupidest argument for amnesty. The illegals will pay into it. Sure. But guess what happens in 30 years or so. They start collecting benefits. And those benefits will be a fuckton higher than what they paid in. SS is a great deal for someone making $8/hr for 40 years. Their benefits are 200-300% more than their contributions.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:41 PM (0LHZx)

279 it's just that that post was the straw which broke the camel's back when it came to my patience with clickbait-style headlines.
Posted by: zombie at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (jBuUi)

Would you like MisHum to edit every link to BRAAAINNNNSSSSS?

Would that be better for you? Would that float your rotting, shambling boat?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 23, 2016 01:42 PM (xuouz)

280 How dare we burden businesses with the responsibility of following the laws of this country!

That is so unfair!

*blinks*

I'm sorry ; I have no idea what came over me right there.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsor of the 2016 Trump of Doom Tour! at February 23, 2016 01:42 PM (hLRSq)

281 >>I do it every morning

It's the Key to a long life.

Posted by: Zombie Borgnine at February 23, 2016 01:42 PM (91LL3)

282
e-verify sucks because the bureaucrats running the program want it to be ineffective.

secondly, I appreciate the fun headlines in the morning dump.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 23, 2016 01:42 PM (ODxAs)

283
Barky presents a plan to close Gitmo? FOAD, you un-American hack.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot, 'Who Decides?' at February 23, 2016 01:42 PM (BK3ZS)

284 DoJ Wants Apple To Decrypt 12 More iPhones
http://tinyurl.com/jmkzoht (slashdot)

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 23, 2016 01:42 PM (R+30W)

285 Twitte- no rhyme or reason for bannings. Charles Johnson approves.

Posted by: Bill H at February 23, 2016 01:43 PM (pAH7H)

286 "The Open Borders crowd, for reasons of silly agitation, essentially
casts these people as utter incompetents who couldn't possibly make it
on their own if we asked them to go back to Honduras or wherever."

If they were really that stupid, we certainly wouldn't want them here anyway. God knows we have enough stupid people here already.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 23, 2016 01:43 PM (oKE6c)

287 184
*blows horn*

1:30, and all's well. Okay, maybe not 'well' well.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 23, 2016 01:30 PM (9mTYi)

THE KING IS A FINK!!!

Posted by: The Lone Haranguer at February 23, 2016 01:43 PM (0mRoj)

288 Cruz should've staked out this position LONG ago, because immigration is the only thing that distinguishes Donald Trump from your average uber-wealthy NY liberal Democrat. Immigration is his base -- many of whom, it should be noted -- are genuinely racist democrats.

Posted by: Sam in VA at February 23, 2016 01:43 PM (bNi5D)

289 So much as an overdue library book - on the next bus to Matamoros.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 23, 2016 01:43 PM (JO9+V)

290 I wonder if Cruz will let the "Good One's" come back like your man Trump has promised?
Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 01:40 PM (UnJ7w)

Yeah, legally? By getting in line, at the end of the line? That's a problem?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 23, 2016 01:43 PM (xuouz)

291 Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 23, 2016 01:12 PM (lVU49)

Chemjeff, this topic is clearly very personal to you (as in so personal that you are nearly trollish on just this one topic). Why? Are *you* an H1B? Do you know/work with many that you like and who would be affected by this? What is your problem?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 23, 2016 01:43 PM (GDulk)

292 OT, but there is some new code at your site that is continuously crashing my browser (Firefox). Its a script that won't finish. Started happening a couple weeks ago.Posted by: Serious

It's the advertisements. Download and run NoScript for Firefox. It's fast and easy and provides a lot of protection for your computer from malicious websites.

Posted by: mega machines at February 23, 2016 01:43 PM (fbovC)

293 I knew a guy who had eyebrow cancer and the treatment permanently cost him his eyebrow hair. Fortunately, a plastic surgeon was able to replace them with the fine hair from a male dog's inner legs. It worked out great but whenever he passes a fire hydrant he looks surprised!

Posted by: andycanuck at February 23, 2016 01:43 PM (WOyz5)

294 I can see it being annoying if you are looking at them via phone only. But if via laptop you can scroll over and see the actual link at the bottom, usually the answer is revealed in the link. That's how I usually see them so I think the cryptic headlines are funny. My two cents.
Posted by: LizLem
-----------------
FWIW,
I'm using a Samsung phone exclusively for internet, and I can see a preview of the site.
Instead of just clicking the link blindly, I can click AND HOLD the link for a second, and a window pops up showing me where I'm being re-directed.
I can then ignore it or follow it on through.

Posted by: Chi at February 23, 2016 01:44 PM (XgX1I)

295 >>>
OT, but there is some new code at your site that is continuously crashing my browser (Firefox). Its a script that won't finish. Started happening a couple weeks ago.

thanks, any other hints about what it is? do you know the name of the script? or what ad is visible when this happens?

Posted by: ace at February 23, 2016 01:44 PM (dciA+)

296 Sorry 'bout that. I thought this was an open thread.

Posted by: Bill H at February 23, 2016 01:44 PM (pAH7H)

297 Reminds me of the "Health of the Mother" defense.

I.E. No deportations.

Posted by: nip at February 23, 2016 01:44 PM (r73Jl)

298 (and no, I really don't want to hear (in reference to the above joker) about how somebody got a blow job or their wife got breast enhancement, but that's just me. ;^)

Burn the MINO witch!

Posted by: Morons at February 23, 2016 01:44 PM (87y4e)

299 I really miss the days of posts of top lists, Haikus, deep thoughts, movie reviews, ____ is so mean that...., and other assorted pop subjects.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 23, 2016 01:39 PM (dwNYN)

*fingers crossed for Ace's Deadpool Review...or another hilarious live watch of a crappy B movie*

Posted by: Corgis eyeing the food dish at February 23, 2016 01:44 PM (hvf9s)

300 I finally figured out a name for Trump followers; Trumpaloompa's, as in Oompaloompa's. They are just following their big, orange God. Has anyone else noticed that The Donald has an orange complexion. Literally orange, as Joe Biden would say.

Posted by: willy wonka at February 23, 2016 01:44 PM (VDovR)

301 DoJ Wants Apple To Decrypt 12 More iPhones
http://tinyurl.com/jmkzoht (slashdot)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 23, 2016 01:42 PM (R+30W)

*Taps foot waiting for yesterday's "Nat. Sec. > 4th Amendment Rights" crowd to show up*

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 23, 2016 01:44 PM (xuouz)

302 Honestly, I'm surprised Cruz took so long to adopt this stance.

Posted by: Iblis at February 23, 2016 01:45 PM (9221z)

303 " It might be interesting to see how many of the Hispanics that work at the Vegas Trump casino vote for him.

Posted by: Hank at February 23, 2016 01:39 PM (xVYeR) "

The Trump Tower in Vegas doesn't have a casino, because Harry Reid has a lot of influence over the gaming commission and was able to stonewall Trump's attempts to get licensed.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 23, 2016 01:45 PM (4/i9Y)

304 "So Rubio is not going to CPAC."

The Super Mario Rubio Brother talked about "redefining" America at one of his last CPAC appearances. For some, that's a semantically loaded term.

Sourly recalling here how George W. Bush insisted that his aides remove all reference to the conservative movement before an appearance of his at CPAC, because he, Dubya, had "redefined" the Republican Party away from conservatism towards a different and brighter future. And what a triumph _that_ act of redefinition turned out to be!

Not much interested in new definitions, thanks. The old ones work just fine.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 23, 2016 01:45 PM (noWW6)

305 301 DoJ Wants Apple To Decrypt 12 More iPhones
http://tinyurl.com/jmkzoht (slashdot)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 23, 2016 01:42 PM (R+30W)

*Taps foot waiting for yesterday's "Nat. Sec. > 4th Amendment Rights" crowd to show up*
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 23, 2016 01:44 PM (xuouz)

_____

If Barack can't read my texts anytime he wants, the terrorists have won.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:45 PM (0LHZx)

306 Hypothetical: Does anyone think Cruz would be taking this position if Trump had not been collaring his base voters and Rubio had been hitting him with the "liar" charge?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsor of the 2016 Trump of Doom Tour! at February 23, 2016 01:22 PM (hLRSq)

Dibs!! Only Trump can claim purity on illegal immigration because he said it first on TV at 9:15 p.m., August 4th, 2015!!!!!!!!

All other previous discussions/fights in congress are null and void.

Posted by: Joanne at February 23, 2016 01:45 PM (hgBpU)

307 I was referring to ace on Romney.

I think Romney would have been quite a good President, but he didn't have the things inside that it would have taken to get there.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2016 01:41 PM (1xUj/)

Yup. The skills to get elected are entirely different than the skills needed to lead.

I mean, look, I'm stuck with Cruz as my first pick since WHY WHY DID YOU TAUNT ME PERRY AND WALKER AND JINDAL WHY WHY WHY ahem and it bothers the hell out of me that his entire life has been in preparation to become President. It bothers me more that the system incentives that but still. It bothers me.

I repeat, I would vote for and campaign for and donate money to Romney if he announced his candidacy by means of a commercial where he stares into the camera for a good 10 seconds then screams I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO!

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 23, 2016 01:45 PM (mf5HN)

308 "Let me ask this hypothetical: How many of you would be eager to
re-locate to Costa Rica as an illegal, while not speaking Spanish? Let's
say there was a good reason for it, a good job, though an illegal one
(in the sense that you have no papers, not that the job is inherently
criminal)."

Good point, but there's a fundamental cultural difference at work here too. We as conservatives are intrinsically a law-abiding crew, and grew up in what (at least then) was a law-abiding culture. If you grow up in a corrupt kleptocracy - i.e., kind of like our millennials are now doing - the law is merely an inconvenience, to be skirted whenever possible, and generally to be ignored.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 23, 2016 01:45 PM (oKE6c)

309 Ted Cruz had a great chance to right from the start set himself apart (and largely deflate Trump) by immediately going on the offensive about immigrants and stating a zero tolerance policy in his administration.

But no, he didn't, largely because I believe he doesn't really want to deport illegals and is kind of okay with them flooding over. Its that compassionate/their country sucks/this is kind of how the USA was started sensibility which I do sympathize with, but do not hold to myself.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 23, 2016 01:46 PM (39g3+)

310 183 Yes and the law says you have to be a citizen to
vote but if anyone tries to enforce it, the feds sue and liberal judges
block the enforcement.

Do try and keep up.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:29 PM (0LHZx)

No judge has EVER overroad and allowed a known illegal to vote, or a known non-citizen in a federal election. The mess that is going on now is Obama's corrupt dept of non-justice is trying to block a law that allows the State to VERIFY citizenship status before they can register so that their status is unknown,
How about you do try to keep up.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 23, 2016 01:46 PM (t2KH5)

311 >> Has anyone else noticed that The Donald has an orange complexion. Literally orange,

and tiny hands. Like a Carny.

Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2016 01:46 PM (91LL3)

312 >>>
Chemjeff, this topic is clearly very personal to you (as in so personal that you are nearly trollish on just this one topic). Why? Are *you* an H1B? Do you know/work with many that you like and who would be affected by this? What is your problem?

chemjeff,

there are currently ICE Raids -- even under Obama.

Do you propose stopping them completely?

What efforts at border/immigration enforcement are *not* inhumane, in your view?

if they all are inhumane, should you not confess the obvious and say that you support Open Borders (given that you oppose all efforts at maintaining borders/legal residency as inhumane)?

Posted by: ace at February 23, 2016 01:46 PM (dciA+)

313 Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:31 PM (gmeXX)

They have already been commandeered to administer a byzantine tax policy, and are held strictly liable for any mistakes.

So that argument doesn't hold much water.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2016 01:46 PM (Zu3d9)

314 So much as an overdue library book - on the next bus to Matamoros.

Matamoros is a sleepy little town by the Delaware Water Gap.

I don't think it could handle the influx.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2016 01:46 PM (1xUj/)

315 Remove the carrot - bennies.

They'll self deport.

Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extraordinaire at February 23, 2016 01:46 PM (48QDY)

316

http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/
Stronger, Thinner, Cheaper Rubber for Condoms Developed From Grass
I guess that's good news?

http://www.sunnyskyz.com/good-news
Boy's Loyal Dog Refused To Let Him Go Into Surgery Alone

http://www.dailygood.org/

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 01:46 PM (qCMvj)

317 Sorry 'bout that. I thought this was an open thread.
Posted by: Bill H at February 23, 2016 01:44 PM (pAH7H)

Pssst...

They're all open threads.

*pulls collar up around face, waddles away*

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 23, 2016 01:46 PM (xuouz)

318 "Harry Reid has a lot of influence over the gaming commission"

And vice versa.

"Exercise bands".

Posted by: torquewrench at February 23, 2016 01:46 PM (noWW6)

319

Common people, work with me here, trying to a giggle or two...

What do you call a SJW Community Activist that falls into a wood chipper?

Posted by: The Self-Deporter at February 23, 2016 01:47 PM (+zqYj)

320 Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2016 01:46 PM (91LL3)

You know what they say about small hands.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2016 01:47 PM (Zu3d9)

321 #90 LizLem

That's what I'm wondering, because she referenced people who support "even Hillary." That says registered Democrats to me. It also turns up those Democrats whose support Trump claims to have.

Interesting.

Posted by: Miley's Tongue dba Ylva of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy at February 23, 2016 01:47 PM (odjaN)

322 THE KING IS A FINK!!!
Posted by: The Lone Haranguer
-----------------

lol

Now there is a campaign slogan that I can get behind.

*ponders a bumper sticker*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 23, 2016 01:47 PM (oFSUK)

323 A wide stance is best assumed deliberately.

Posted by: Larry Craig at February 23, 2016 01:47 PM (91LL3)

324 Because I think if other people share the little things they're grateful for it encourages other people and one's store of happiness grows. if your happiness grown it makes you stronger, more resilient person. So yesterday I went to the supermarket and there was an adorable little boy with big brown eyes and hair the color of his coat which was big beige wooly coat that made jim look like a highland sheep. He was eating a donut . FenelonSpouse said, "That's the brother of a little girl on my bus route." FenelonSpouse is sort of an introvert but he went up to the woman to say hello and she said "You're the bus driver." He said, "Your little boy always waves goodbye He's a great waver" and the little boy and the mother smiled and the boy waved. It was such a simple interaction, but it made me feel good for the much of the day.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2016 01:47 PM (w4NZ8)

325 >>> 284 DoJ Wants Apple To Decrypt 12 More iPhones http://tinyurl.com/jmkzoht (slashdot)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 23, 2016 01:42 PM (R+30W)

Camel nose under the tent...

I denounce my racist turn of phrase.

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2016 01:47 PM (hvf9s)

326 Any chance the FBI will waterboard that iApple dude until he opens the phone? I thought not.

Posted by: Hank at February 23, 2016 01:47 PM (xVYeR)

327 The Trump Tower in Vegas doesn't have a casino, because Harry Reid has a lot of influence over the gaming commission and was able to stonewall Trump's attempts to get licensed.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 23, 2016 01:45 PM (4/i9Y)

____

That might not have been a bad thing in the end. The new trend now is hotels without a casino. VDara is a great hotel, sans casino as well.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:47 PM (0LHZx)

328 Pull their "courtesy" driver's licenses.

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Do you want the federal government to do this?

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:24 PM (gmeXX)
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The federal government is already doing this. Some states driver's licenses are not accepted as valid identification to travel. I live in Illinois -- my kids had to have original birth certificates, school records, etc., but somehow the 'courtesy' licenses are still issued to those without valid passports, etc.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 23, 2016 01:48 PM (MIKMs)

329
In keeping with enforcement, there needs to be a cessation of sanctuary cities--maybe withhold funding applicable to immigration programs from them?

I would pursue any remedy available legally to cause major heartburn for ANY state that willfully breaks immigration law.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 23, 2016 01:48 PM (P/8aq)

330 How many of you would be eager to re-locate to Costa Rica as an illegal, while not speaking Spanish? Let's say there was a good reason for it, a good job, though an illegal one (in the sense that you have no papers, not that the job is inherently criminal).

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Are they providing free social workers who speak English that instruct me how to fill out English-language forms so I can collect benefits totaling a very good job, say 150K/yr equivalent, and a free apartment somewhere?

Posted by: Bigby's Pimp Hand at February 23, 2016 01:48 PM (3ZtZW)

331 I have known illegal workers (none of them wanted to immigrate) who would come here for a few years, leave far a while and come back to be illegal workers.

What most of these illegal workers want is to get enough money to buy some land, build a sturdy cinderblock house with a concrete floor and non-leaking roof, and have some livestock and a small farm. Because where they're from that makes them the rich guy (El Patron) in their version of Dogpatch.

Posted by: CozMark at February 23, 2016 01:49 PM (CbGSW)

332 Has anyone else noticed that The Donald has an orange complexion. Literally orange, as Joe Biden would say.

Breathtaking, isn't it?

*sobs uncontrollably*

Posted by: John Boehner at February 23, 2016 01:49 PM (87y4e)

333 No judge has EVER overroad and allowed a known illegal to vote, or a known non-citizen in a federal election. The mess that is going on now is Obama's corrupt dept of non-justice is trying to block a law that allows the State to VERIFY citizenship status before they can register so that their status is unknown,
How about you do try to keep up.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 23, 2016 01:46 PM (t2KH5)

First off it's overridden. But I digress.

Second, you're arguing my point for me. Thank you.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:49 PM (0LHZx)

334 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 23, 2016 01:46 PM (39g3+)

From what I know from being a Texan and having known Cruz prior to him becoming a Senator, I would say you are incorrect on how he feels about illegal immigration .

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 23, 2016 01:49 PM (dwNYN)

335 It was such a simple interaction, but it made me feel good for the much of the day.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2016 01:47 PM (w4NZ

it makes everyone feel good
if only more people would try it

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 01:49 PM (qCMvj)

336 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 01:46 PM (qCMvj)

I posted things from Good News network a lot. Politically it's liberal, but it always has some human good deed stories or animal stories that everyone can enjoy. I put some links from it today in the ONT thread.

I am not familiar with the other site; Thanks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2016 01:49 PM (w4NZ8)

337 Beside how does E-verify solve the problem of those employers who hire people and pay them off the books?

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:25 PM (gmeXX)

E-verify is the due diligence that the employer does to ensure a prospective hire is a legal resident. Basically the same as a storekeep checking a young person's ID before selling them liquor. By doing one's due diligence, you are protected from being charged with wilfully hiring an illegal. If you are going to hire and pay off the books, you are already wilfully violating several laws, right?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 23, 2016 01:50 PM (afR/C)

338 >> there needs to be a cessation of sanctuary cities--maybe withhold funding applicable to immigration programs from them?

a Seige!

It's the only way we could finally settle that Trebuchet / Catapult Debate.

Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2016 01:50 PM (91LL3)

339 Posted by: The Self-Deporter at February 23, 2016 01:47 PM (+zqYj)

A one man mulch on Washington?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2016 01:50 PM (Zu3d9)

340 >>> Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2016 01:47 PM (w4NZ

Awwwww.

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2016 01:51 PM (hvf9s)

341 223 Then why don't we just increase the penalites. Why do we need e-verify?

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:35 PM (gmeXX)

I already said that, as well as the fact that we ALREADY HAVE E-VERIFY. It is just inaccurate as hell. It needs to be fixed.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 23, 2016 01:51 PM (t2KH5)

342 Why should Companies be in the business of enforcing
this country's immigration laws? How has employer tax witholding
worked out? Great for the federal government - not so great for those
of us who want a limited federal government.

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:14 PM (gmeXX)
The guy who is leading in the polls doesn't want limited government, and that is because ~40% of the Republican base doesn't want limited government either. They want big muscular active government, but one that helps them.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 23, 2016 01:51 PM (lVU49)

343 331 I have known illegal workers (none of them wanted to immigrate) who would come here for a few years, leave far a while and come back to be illegal workers.

What most of these illegal workers want is to get enough money to buy some land, build a sturdy cinderblock house with a concrete floor and non-leaking roof, and have some livestock and a small farm. Because where they're from that makes them the rich guy (El Patron) in their version of Dogpatch.
Posted by: CozMark at February 23, 2016 01:49 PM (CbGSW)

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Some, not most. Most of them end up staying here, having kids, buying houses, etc. Maybe their initial goal was make some money and go back. But even living in a shitty apartment in East Palo Alto beats the El Patron lifestyle in the hell hole they left.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:51 PM (0LHZx)

344 Yeah, legally? By getting in line, at the end of the line? That's a problem?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 23, 2016 01:43 PM (xuouz)

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Yea, that is a problem. Quite frankly, and your boy couldn't even begin to grasp this concept, LEGAL immigration needs to be stifled. We let too many low-skill people into this country every year. It's time to act like virtually every other country under the sun and get a little more selective with who we let in. And that would especially include those who have already broken the law to get here in the first place being excluded.

Posted by: Rich at February 23, 2016 01:51 PM (MIdlN)

345 Matamoros, Mexico. Across the border from Brownsville, TX. Not wherever in Delaware.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 23, 2016 01:51 PM (JO9+V)

346 308:" If you grow up in a corrupt kleptocracy - i.e., kind of like our millennials are now doing - the law is merely an inconvenience, to be skirted whenever possible, and generally to be ignored.'

A reason why the Russian criminals are so crafty.

They have generations of experience getting over on the system.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 23, 2016 01:52 PM (yiTg1)

347 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2016 01:49 PM (w4NZ

Can you shoot me an e-mail to:

nynjmeet at optimum dot net

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2016 01:52 PM (Zu3d9)

348 So, on ace's hypothetical, about going to another country illegally, where I didn't speak the language, I would be a lot more comfortable about doing so if:

(a) I knew that the local policia were relatively humane and noncorrupt and would treat me with kid gloves if I got caught, and would almost certainly not deport me if I were, and,

(b) I knew that despite the primary local language not being English, there were extensive measures in place, including official government ones, to make daily linguistic life easier for Anglophones.

And, hey presto, both of those conditions happen to hold for Spanish-speaking illegals coming to the United States.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 23, 2016 01:52 PM (noWW6)

349 Are they providing free social workers who speak English that instruct me how to fill out English-language forms so I can collect benefits totaling a very good job, say 150K/yr equivalent, and a free apartment somewhere?
Posted by: Bigby's Pimp Hand at February 23, 2016 01:48 PM (3ZtZW)

that's the difference
mexico helps them
la raza helps them
our government helps them
our ICE agents' hands are tied
border patrol, tied down

there is an entire industry supporting illegals into the country and putting down roots

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 01:52 PM (qCMvj)

350 E-verify at the polls. "IDs are racist" is a naked power-grab.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 23, 2016 01:52 PM (VdICR)

351 >>What do you call a SJW Community Activist that falls into a wood chipper?

Chip.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 23, 2016 01:52 PM (/tuJf)

352 The federal government is already doing this. Some states driver's licenses are not accepted as valid identification to travel. I live in Illinois -- my kids had to have original birth certificates, school records, etc., but somehow the 'courtesy' licenses are still issued to those without valid passports, etc.
Posted by: mustbequantum at February 23, 2016 01:48 PM (MIKMs

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People here were informed last week that our OK driver's licenses were no longer suitable for even domestic airline flights. Ya wanna fly? Ya gotta have a passport.

Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2016 01:52 PM (Fmupd)

353 I don't understand the concept of building a hotel on the Vegas Strip that doesn't have a casino. I'm thinking it was poor planning on Trump's part to do that, but what do I know?

Posted by: Hank at February 23, 2016 01:53 PM (xVYeR)

354 Are they providing free social workers who speak English that instruct me how to fill out English-language forms so I can collect benefits totaling a very good job, say 150K/yr equivalent, and a free apartment somewhere?
Posted by: Bigby's Pimp Hand at February 23, 2016 01:48 PM (3ZtZW)

I'm planning to drop down out of the ventilation ducts onto Stephen Colbert's set this Friday night and carve this into his face like a fucked up Tea Party Lt. Aldo Raine.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 23, 2016 01:53 PM (xuouz)

355 Yeah, legally? By getting in line, at the end of the line? That's a problem?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 23, 2016 01:43 PM (xuouz)

Here's what Trump said to Dana Bash from CNN:

"I would get people out and then have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal..A lot of these people are helping us...and sometimes it's jobs a citizen of the United States doesn't want to do. I want to move 'em out, and we're going to move 'em back in and let them be legal."

Back of the line you say, Kari? Sounds like he's giving special legal status.

Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 01:53 PM (UnJ7w)

356 Rubio shill on with Limbaugh now.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 23, 2016 01:53 PM (oVJmc)

357 Fenelon, sent you an email.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2016 01:53 PM (0mRoj)

358 osted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2016 01:52 PM (Zu3d9)

Thanks Will do-a little later. I have to go somewhere soon.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2016 01:53 PM (w4NZ8)

359 Common people, work with me here, trying to a giggle or two...

What do you call a SJW Community Activist that falls into a wood chipper?

A poor start.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 23, 2016 01:54 PM (dnQ1L)

360 I am not familiar with the other site; Thanks.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2016 01:49 PM (w4NZ

yw

you have to see the good in the world, not always the negative

the other site's mission"

DailyGood is a portal that shares inspiring quotes and news stories that focus on the "good" we can find in our world daily along with a simple action to continue that goodness. Since 1999, it has delivered positive news to subscriber inboxes for free by volunteers every day.

your life needs to have happiness in it

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 01:55 PM (qCMvj)

361 From what I know from being a Texan and having known Cruz prior to him becoming a Senator, I would say you are incorrect on how he feels about illegal immigration .

You would know better than I, for sure. But its hard to avoid that feeling with his votes on visas and his real lack of any strong rhetoric on the subject up to this point when he needs votes.

If he'd pounced on this right away, before Trump even announced or joined the race, it would have taken a lot of wind out of Trump's sails. How much that would have impacted the race otherwise, I don't know. Its almost certain that Trump being in the race kneecapped Jeb.

[i[And, hey presto, both of those conditions happen to hold for Spanish-speaking illegals coming to the United States.

And there's a big, established community of Americans in the area. But I still wouldn't.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 23, 2016 01:55 PM (39g3+)

362 Here's what Trump said to Dana Bash from CNN:

"I would get people out and then have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal..A lot of these people are helping us...and sometimes it's jobs a citizen of the United States doesn't want to do. I want to move 'em out, and we're going to move 'em back in and let them be legal."

Back of the line you say, Kari? Sounds like he's giving special legal status.
Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 01:53 PM (UnJ7w)

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Now don't hit em up with Trump's actual words. Those don't count.

I especially like the "jobs a citizen of United State doesn't want to do." Good lord, it's like he's a democrat or something!

Posted by: Rich at February 23, 2016 01:55 PM (MIdlN)

363 So Cruz went from legalization to deportation in 2 months, that's pretty good.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 23, 2016 01:37 PM (LXJ1e)

Do you happen to have a link to anywhere that supports Cruz was/is for legalizing illegal aliens? Not just so-and-so said it, but actual facts? Go ahead, we'll wait.

Posted by: Joanne at February 23, 2016 01:55 PM (hgBpU)

364 "What do you call a SJW Community Activist that falls into a wood chipper?"

Pulp Friction.

Posted by: Qoheleth at February 23, 2016 01:55 PM (iIzG7)

365 >>there is an entire industry supporting illegals into the country and putting down roots

Exactly, which is why the e-verify talk is silly when not paired with plans to roll back all the other crap.

Seriously, how can they claim to live in the shadows when they're getting drivers licenses and registering their vehicles? The states have a directory of their names and where they live - no jack boots required.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2016 01:55 PM (NOIQH)

366 Chemjeff, this topic is clearly very personal to you (as in so personal
that you are nearly trollish on just this one topic). Why? Are *you* an
H1B? Do you know/work with many that you like and who would be affected
by this? What is your problem?

The irony in chemjeff's case is that employment prospects for American-born chemists, much like American-born programmers, are not that good largely because of H1B visa holders. I'm sure he's aware of that from reading Chemical Engineering News, the trade rag for us nerds.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 23, 2016 01:56 PM (oKE6c)

367 >>>Why should Companies be in the business of enforcing this country's immigration laws?

The federal government forces gun shops to verify the criminal history of everyone seeking to purchase a firearm. Why should companies be in the business of enforcing this country's firearm laws?

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at February 23, 2016 01:56 PM (JxMoP)

368 your life needs to have happiness in it

Not necessarily, but it sure helps.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2016 01:56 PM (0mRoj)

369
I'm sorry, did I just see a post where AtC mentioned "hotassery?"

BRB. Bunk.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 23, 2016 01:56 PM (X6fMO)

370 I know a guy who had an itchy ear that he scrached so much he caused a blister inside his ear which separated the skin from the cartilage. They drained the blister and put a couple of stitches in the ear to reattach the skin to the cartilage. Weird.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 23, 2016 01:56 PM (iQIUe)

371
Ending social payments and free shit (education, healthcare, etc) to illegals will stem a good portion of the tide. I think everybody knows this including all of Congress. But that won't change anything, illegals are now considered more equal than normal tax paying citizens.

Eventually tax avoidance and non-payment will become a cultural goal for a large segment of society just like Greece.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 23, 2016 01:56 PM (ODxAs)

372 309 Ted Cruz had a great chance to right from the start set himself apart (and largely deflate Trump) by immediately going on the offensive about immigrants and stating a zero tolerance policy in his administration.

But no, he didn't, largely because I believe he doesn't really want to deport illegals and is kind of okay with them flooding over. Its that compassionate/their country sucks/this is kind of how the USA was started sensibility which I do sympathize with, but do not hold to myself.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 23, 2016 01:46 PM (39g3+)

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Interesting. I'm trying to image the race without Trump. Would Cruz be saying we need to deport them all?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 23, 2016 01:56 PM (LXJ1e)

373 As far as I know: every thread is open and there is no such thing as trolling as long as you don't insult or threaten people. Vodka helps ease the butthurt.

Posted by: bestie21 at February 23, 2016 01:56 PM (HUeC4)

374 Posted by: LeRoooooy Jenkins at February 23, 2016 01:04 PM (CHQHx)

Damn it, Leroy.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at February 23, 2016 01:56 PM (KkVB6)

375 >> Common people, work with me here, trying to a giggle or two...

Your GOPe consultant has likely pointed you at a misidentified demographic.
Smart military blog readers aren't particularly common.

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at February 23, 2016 01:57 PM (ml1PM)

376 Zod prefers the gorilla-troops-on-horseback-with-nets-style deportation.

Posted by: General Zod at February 23, 2016 01:57 PM (Bdeb0)

377 >>What do you call a SJW Community Activist that falls into a wood chipper?

Achieving his highest and best use?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 23, 2016 01:57 PM (wtvvX)

378 Matamoros, Mexico. Across the border from Brownsville, TX. Not wherever in Delaware.
Posted by: Count de Monet

Matamoros PA is at the Delaware Water Gap, on the PA/NY border upstate.

*smacks Count with a newspaper*

That was a joke, son. Good gravy.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2016 01:57 PM (1xUj/)

379
Yea, that is a problem. Quite frankly, and your
boy couldn't even begin to grasp this concept, LEGAL immigration needs
to be stifled. We let too many low-skill people into this country every
year. It's time to act like virtually every other country under the sun
and get a little more selective with who we let in. And that would
especially include those who have already broken the law to get here in
the first place being excluded.

Posted by: Rich at February 23, 2016 01:51 PM (MIdlN)

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I do have a friend who was here illegally and he worked construction for years (building cribwall). He joined the US Navy, married an American girl and became a school teacher in upstate NY. Oh, and he was from Scotland.
A lot of the guys on his work crew were from New Zealand (all illegal workers).

Posted by: CozMark at February 23, 2016 01:57 PM (CbGSW)

380 Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2016 01:53 PM (0mRoj)

Thx for letting me know. I will go look for it a little later.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2016 01:58 PM (w4NZ8)

381 There was an infant boy born without eyelids. A brilliant plastic surgeon was able to fashion eyelids from the boy's foreskin. The surgery was a success, but it left him a little cockeyed.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2016 01:58 PM (0mRoj)

382 I hate fucking gorillas on horseback.

Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2016 01:58 PM (91LL3)

383 "That might not have been a bad thing in the end. The new trend now is hotels without a casino. VDara is a great hotel, sans casino as well.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:47 PM (0LHZx) "

The VDara is very nice, but it's also in a complex (CityCenter) with at least one Hotel/Casino, the Aria, and the Monte Carlo is so close that it's basically also a part of CityCenter. I believe the Mandarin hotel is also casino-less, and the Harmon was planned to be sans casino, but was never finished because of construction defects and was just recently demolished.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 23, 2016 01:58 PM (4/i9Y)

384 Illegal immigration and H1B/H2B immigrants are an existential threat to whole swaths of Americans, including Blacks and legal Hispanics.

A typical illegal and family earns a small wage, pays little or nothing in taxes, but creates a need for government spending that can easily exceed $100k annually on account of education, healthcare and social service spending.

It's not just that Democrats see future voters. It creates a need for increased spending that benefits unionized teachers, healthcare workers, social workers and ... dare I say it ... prison guards.

This mandated spending is a meaningful share of the pseudo-growth in GDP we've been having.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 23, 2016 01:58 PM (r1fLd)

385 So here's how I see immigration shaking out in the next decade:

We're told that we need to keep growing the economy, and with Planned Parenthood doing such a bang up job, the U.S. is not at the critical 2.2% population growth rate needed just to maintain current economy size. Never mind that we actually need a larger population base to support the pyramid schemes of SS and Medicare.

We need immigrants! Lots and lots of them, we're told, because prosperity, you racists.

So, Trump gets elected (*shudder*) and tries to soft pedal his hard line immigration promises when he realizes how much he'll have to pay actual citizens to build and staff his hotels. But his rabble of supporters won't go along with it, so he acquiesces, sort of. Now everyone can just shut up and assimilate the fuck down already.

Meanwhile, Europe joins in the nationalism game the U.S. is playing, only to realize it's too late. They're overrun, and the isolationists in America aren't going to fix the Middle East.

Guerrilla warfare breaks out in the old cities of Europe, and those pencil dicks who think a whistle and world order based on cool kid table derision constitutes sufficient military defense, cry out to their NATO ally to pull their collective bacon from the fire.

Suckers that we are for European wars, we answer the call. Only problem is that our military has been hollowed out during the Obama years, and too few Americans are actually fit enough to pass basic. Never fear--feminism's here! The draft is reinstated and women are now on the conscription rosters. The only way to get out of serving is to get knocked up.

Baby boom! Planned Parenthood is forced to close much of its operation, and with all these new babies plus refugees from Europe (which we welcome in because we do), our entitlement pyramid scheme survives another generation!

I forget what step three is, but I'm quit certain this ends with profit.

Posted by: KillianThyme at February 23, 2016 01:58 PM (n2r4H)

386 And now for something completely different: Betty and Veronica try doing without Archie

http://tinyurl.com/gtvjohd

Yes, if you take one panel out of comics sometimes, it can be very... misleading.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 23, 2016 01:59 PM (39g3+)

387 It's the only way we could finally settle that Trebuchet / Catapult Debate.

Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2016 01:50 PM (91LL3)

The JEB!uchet worked very well last weekend. The Outrage Outlet - Purveyors of Quality Ancient and Medieval Means Of Mayhem and Mirth!

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsor of the 2016 Trump of Doom Tour! at February 23, 2016 01:59 PM (hLRSq)

388 Are they providing free social workers who speak English that instruct
me how to fill out English-language forms so I can collect benefits
totaling a very good job, say 150K/yr equivalent, and a free apartment
somewhere?

Posted by: Bigby's Pimp Hand at February 23, 2016 01:48 PM (3ZtZW)

You left out free tuition at the University of California. Those degrees in Lawnmowing Studies don't come cheap. Just put it on my tab, while I pay for my own kids' tuition - out of state. /spits

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 23, 2016 01:59 PM (oKE6c)

389 Interesting. I'm trying to image the race without Trump. Would Cruz be saying we need to deport them all?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 23, 2016 01:56 PM (LXJ1e)

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The issue would not even be on the election table.

Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2016 01:59 PM (Fmupd)

390 Shirley Bassey sang Goldfinger, a great song and a dominating voice. She also did Diamonds are Forever. Good song, lousy movie.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 23, 2016 01:59 PM (VdICR)

391 Yea, that is a problem. Quite frankly, and your boy couldn't even begin to grasp this concept, LEGAL immigration needs to be stifled. We let too many low-skill people into this country every year.
Posted by: Rich at February 23, 2016 01:51 PM (MIdlN)

You're right, first of all, "my boy" Trump is already straining his feeble mind trying to keep the concept of illegal immigration front and center in it. There's no way he could handle reducing legal immigration. Literally couldn't understand it.

Secondly, I completely agree with your point about reducing overall immigration, especially, I'll note, from warzones. And (AND!) furthermore, I've just got to agree with you (how, how on earth, could I not?) that since Trump is self-evidently incapable of comprehending your finely made point, your fabulously crafted point about reducing said legal immigration, he's not worth a sniff, much less an actual look.

We're gonna have to find a candidate that's perfect on immigration. I mean pitch perfect, to the letter. Being a good first step just isn't good enough. And if your internet comments can't make that clear to someone, clearly, obviously, they're not worth addressing in a forthright and good-faith fashion, non-condescending fashion.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 23, 2016 01:59 PM (xuouz)

392 First off it's overridden. But I digress.

Second, you're arguing my point for me. Thank you.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 23, 2016 01:49 PM (0LHZx)

Wrong - last comment to you

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 23, 2016 01:59 PM (t2KH5)

393 382 I hate fucking gorillas on horseback.
Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2016 01:58 PM (91LL3)

So stop fucking them, on horseback or otherwise.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2016 01:59 PM (0mRoj)

394 Ivanka put out a vid for Nevada caucus goers, and commenters are accusing her of using her baby bump (she's preggers) to woo votes.

Oh, and the Clinton campaign is not, with the sainted Chelsea spawn? Save me your tears, dems.

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2016 01:59 PM (hvf9s)

395 Damn it, Leroy.

At least I got me some chicken!

Posted by: LeRoooooy Jenkins at February 23, 2016 01:59 PM (39g3+)

396 "Why should Companies be in the business of enforcing this country's immigration laws?"

My local bar and my local supermarket are in the business of enforcing the alcohol age purchasing limit laws.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 23, 2016 02:00 PM (noWW6)

397 Cruz is not coming around to Trump's position. He has always stated we should be enforcing the laws that are on the books. He was asked a question which had only one answer , if following the current law on the books has always been your position.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 23, 2016 02:00 PM (dwNYN)

398 Drop the chalupa.

Posted by: ajmojo at February 23, 2016 02:00 PM (1H9ox)

399 OT: One of my favorite entertainers has been Dick Van Dyke. I read today that he is a full on Bernie supporter. I assumed that if you have been on this earth for 90 plus years, you may actually have figured out how things work and may have gained a little insight into a free market economy, hard work, and that there is really no such thing as free...bad assumption.

Posted by: Cheri at February 23, 2016 02:00 PM (oiNtH)

400
Isnt Matamoros where they chop up American students on spring break and eat their hearts or something?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 23, 2016 02:00 PM (iQIUe)

401 I still can't believe we have an actual Conservative running,and could win, in a year that the Dem Hillary is so bloodied and damaged, and the electorate is going cliff jumping with Donald J Trump Inc.

It's Thelma Louise '16! Fuck it.

Posted by: Hunta Khan at February 23, 2016 02:00 PM (+oR7L)

402 I do have a friend who was here illegally and he worked construction for years (building cribwall). He joined the US Navy, married an American girl and became a school teacher in upstate NY. Oh, and he was from Scotland.
A lot of the guys on his work crew were from New Zealand (all illegal workers).
Posted by: CozMark at February 23, 2016 01:57 PM (CbGSW)

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Awesome. My Sister-in-laws entire family is here illegally. Good people. Work hard.

I have no idea what this has to do with anything other than being a typical, leftist style emotional appeal.

Posted by: Rich at February 23, 2016 02:00 PM (MIdlN)

403 Good for Cruz! I wished we had heard that sort of commitment and emphasis from the start of his campaign.

Also: Rubio is skipping CPAC.

Not even the useless CPAC crowd is squishy enough for Marco Rubios establishmentarianism.

Pathetic!

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 23, 2016 02:00 PM (vVcx9)

404 I am leaving can't keep up.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 23, 2016 02:01 PM (t2KH5)

405 386 And now for something completely different: Betty and Veronica try doing without Archie

http://tinyurl.com/gtvjohd

Yes, if you take one panel out of comics sometimes, it can be very... misleading.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 23, 2016 01:59 PM (39g3+)

Rule 34.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2016 02:01 PM (0mRoj)

406 Back of the line you say, Kari? Sounds like he's giving special legal status.

Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 01:53 PM (UnJ7w)

Forget it, many Trump supporters are like Obama's red line - it changes daily. Their basic argument for Trump is I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I bullcrap. Totally nonsensical, childish maneuvering.

Posted by: Joanne at February 23, 2016 02:01 PM (hgBpU)

407
your life needs to have happiness in it

Not necessarily, but it sure helps. Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2016 01:56 PM (0mRoj)You got that right, pal.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 23, 2016 02:01 PM (X6fMO)

408 What do you call a SJW Community Activist that falls into a wood chipper?"

Pulp Friction.

That gave me a woody.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 23, 2016 02:01 PM (dnQ1L)

409 We can send men to the moon, but seem unable to show Manuel the door. Yeah, we are first world modern country alright.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 23, 2016 02:01 PM (oDCMR)

410 "I would get people out and then have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal..A lot of these people are helping us...and sometimes it's jobs a citizen of the United States doesn't want to do. I want to move 'em out, and we're going to move 'em back in and let them be legal."

I trust Trump on immigration and building a wall as much as I do McConnell on holding out against Obama judicial nominees. But this sounds to me like he's saying "toss em back and let them come in through the system" which is fine by me.

Posted by: LeRoooooy Jenkins at February 23, 2016 02:01 PM (39g3+)

411 No, deportation isn't what I heard Cruz wanted to do.

I heard he was going to personally kill every illegal immigrant and eat their liver with fava beans and a fine Chianti.

TRUE STORY!

Posted by: Marco Rubio at February 23, 2016 02:02 PM (zRr9/)

412 Just heard Obama say about Gitmo, "I don't want to pass this problem on to the next President.."

So, you see, he was passed a problem by Bush.

Dick breath.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 23, 2016 02:02 PM (oFSUK)

413 "Open Borders" is the converse of sovereignty and an anathema to a democratic republic. You have ceased becoming a autonomous nation when people from any other nation can simply skulk across your border, into your country and gain the same benefits as a citizen.

This is precisely what people who support illegal immigration want. They've invented a pretext that "all people" have rights to your countries largess and are therefore entitled to an unobstructed entry.

It's probably the most sophistic and contra-intellectual argument ever created. Which is why the supporters cloak it in pathos, mendacity, ad hominems, finger-pointing, shaming, and enforce it by subverting the law, constitution and common sense,

Posted by: Marcus T at February 23, 2016 02:02 PM (GGCsk)

414 after all, it takes a certain amount of guts and initiative to pick up
sticks for a foreign country whose language you don't speak and whose
presence within will make you actually a low-level criminal.

But enough about my moves to DC, TX, NJ, etc.

Posted by: DaveA at February 23, 2016 02:02 PM (DL2i+)

415
Shirley Bassey sang Goldfinger, a great song and a dominating voice. She also did Diamonds are Forever. Good song, lousy movie.

She also sang the title song to Moonraker.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 23, 2016 02:02 PM (X6fMO)

416 318.9 million (2014) estimate population of the USA

Add 1,000,000 a year thru HB1 Visas

Add untold illegal immigrants.

Just how the hell do we assimilate all these people?
Do we want to be the next Balkans?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 23, 2016 02:02 PM (voOPb)

417 "So, Trump gets elected (*shudder*) and tries to soft pedal his hard line
immigration promises when he realizes how much he'll have to pay actual
citizens to build and staff his hotels."

The Japanese called while you were out.

They were a little hard to understand, but I made out a bit of it. Something something robotic velociraptor hotel bellhop.

They said they'd call back.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 23, 2016 02:03 PM (noWW6)

418 I love how the 12 million number never seems to change.

Mexico's former ambassador to the U.S. said that 30 million 'undocumented immigrants' are living in the United States in the beginning of an interview before later stating a different number at the conclusion.

Oopsie

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 23, 2016 02:03 PM (/D5Lf)

419 Goodbye to my Juan, goodbye, Rosalita,
Adios mis amigos, Jesus y Maria;
You won't have your names when you ride the big airplane,
All they will call you will be "deportees"

Plane Wreck at Los Gatos (which is now a big tech center, so maybe we can use this for their maids)

https://www.woodyguthrie.org/Lyrics/Plane_Wreck_At_Los_Gatos.htm

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 23, 2016 02:03 PM (5HBd1)

420 >> It's the only way we could finally settle that Trebuchet / Catapult Debate.

We can't even settle the longbow / crossbow debate. What make you think we can settle the big stuff?

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at February 23, 2016 02:03 PM (ml1PM)

421
Sara Mar�a Aldrete looked like a nice girl but she was effed up! How else can someone do the shit shd did?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 23, 2016 02:03 PM (iQIUe)

422 "I don't understand the concept of building a hotel on the Vegas Strip that doesn't have a casino. I'm thinking it was poor planning on Trump's part to do that, but what do I know?

Posted by: Hank at February 23, 2016 01:53 PM (xVYeR) "

I think Trump assumed that Harry Reid wouldn't obstruct his attempts at getting a gaming license out of sheer asshattery, and boy howdy was he wrong. But the hotel still does alright, and it's probably helped by the fact that it's not quite on-strip - it's across from the Wynn, but a block or two off Las Vegas Boulevard.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 23, 2016 02:03 PM (4/i9Y)

423 385
I forget what step three is, but I'm quit certain this ends with profit.
Posted by: KillianThyme at February 23, 2016 01:58 PM (n2r4H)

I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter. I think.

Posted by: rickl at February 23, 2016 02:03 PM (zoehZ)

424 >>Awesome. My Sister-in-laws entire family is here illegally. Good people. Work hard.

My SIL is here legally, as is her entire family. They filed all the proper paperwork, paid the fees, waited as instructed, etc, and are now proud US citizens. They are not happy about how others are allowed to just crash in and given assistance, sympathy, etc..
Why follow the laws when the lawbreakers are so well rewarded?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2016 02:03 PM (NOIQH)

425 Totally nonsensical, childish maneuvering.
Posted by: Joanne
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You're FIRED!

Posted by: A Strumpet at February 23, 2016 02:03 PM (oFSUK)

426 I hate fucking gorillas on horseback.
You'll get used to it! But the Chimps are better.

Posted by: colonel george taylor at February 23, 2016 02:03 PM (WOyz5)

427 Rubio is skipping CPAC.

Well I'd skip CPAC too, but I suspect his reasons have more to do with shoring up his GOPe credentials and wanting to avoid hard questions and boo birds.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 23, 2016 02:04 PM (39g3+)

428 proof of citizenship or legal status for welfare benefits,

or to vote, or drive a car, or get on a plane not headed home, etc.

Posted by: DaveA at February 23, 2016 02:04 PM (DL2i+)

429 What about the small businesses?

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM (gmeXX)

What about them? Small businesses don't hire hundreds, or even dozens of people per year. In many cases, if they do hire at all, it's going to be a family member, or someone known to them. And if a business is a little larger, but still too small to have a full-time personnel officer, I'm sure they will be able to hire the services of consultants to do the necessary due diligence, just the same as they hire accountants or lawyers, when needed. You need expertise, you hire expertise.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 23, 2016 02:04 PM (afR/C)

430 Matamoros PA is at the Delaware Water Gap, on the PA/NY border upstate.

*smacks Count with a newspaper*

That was a joke, son. Good gravy.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2016 01:57 PM (1xUj/)

Fricken Yankees! With land stretchin' out far and wide here in the Lone Star state I'm supposed to know about some lil' ol' bitty place north of the Mason-Dixon? You and your fancy "upstate" terms.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 23, 2016 02:04 PM (JO9+V)

431 And now for something completely different: Betty and Veronica try doing without Archie

http://tinyurl.com/gtvjohd

Bunk.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2016 02:04 PM (1xUj/)

432 407
your life needs to have happiness in it

Not necessarily, but it sure helps. Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2016 01:56 PM (0mRoj)You got that right, pal.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 23, 2016 02:01 PM (X6fMO)

Yay! I got one right!

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2016 02:04 PM (0mRoj)

433 The Cruz shilling that goes on here is just embarrassing. I'm glad that Ace has owned up to shilling for the establishment in the past (...and, to a lesser extent, what they did to that poor Goldstein fellow) but this is just more of the same. Old habits die hard I guess.

Cruz is a slightly-edgier-out-of-necessity establishment hack, in the end. We simply would not be talking about immigration *at all* (apart from whether the amnesty should be fast or slow) if it were not for Trump. To pretend that Cruz is his peer in challenging the order of things, just with an "more mature" tone, is ridiculous. What do you think is going to happen when Cruz is no longer swimming in Trump's wake? Of course, then it will be time for "common sense" policy, because "that's not who we are as a people."

Posted by: SomeGuy at February 23, 2016 02:04 PM (gVHI5)

434 You left out free tuition at the University of California. Those degrees in Lawnmowing Studies don't come cheap. Just put it on my tab, while I pay for my own kids' tuition - out of state. /spits

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We were talking Costa Rica though. Free tuition at IDK Universidad del Rica or whatever. But that wouldn't be worth all that much.

Posted by: Bigby's Pimp Hand at February 23, 2016 02:05 PM (3ZtZW)

435 I'm trying to image the race without Trump. Would Cruz be saying we need to deport them all?

They would all be working out the fine points of their amnesty proposals.

Trump changed everything.

Posted by: cool breeze at February 23, 2016 02:05 PM (ckvus)

436 Yay! I got one right!
Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2016 02:04 PM (0mRoj)

see? happiness!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 02:05 PM (qCMvj)

437 What's this I hear about Rubio giving the same answer eight times on O'Reilly?

I don't think he's a robot. I think he's a teacher's pet. Teacher's pets learn to memorize and regurgitate. That'll always get you an "A".

Originality, by comparison, can get you anything from an "A" to an "F".

In this, he reminds me very much of Al Gore.

Posted by: Arthur Wellesley, First Duke of Wellington at February 23, 2016 02:05 PM (bpn7O)

438 Trump moving the Overton window will make the Republicans take conservative stances. Perhaps Trumps Poll Numbers will do more good than Trump, but there it is.

If you asked me a year ago if that was likely, I would have said no. It seems like Tom Cruise going to Japan to teach them how to Samurai.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 23, 2016 02:05 PM (VdICR)

439 Haven't been around in awhile but I hear this is the kinder gentler more tolerant AoSHQ? Amirite?

Posted by: Badda Bing at February 23, 2016 02:05 PM (BkNIC)

440 Who said the SJW fell into the woodchipper?

He was forced in the chipper against his will and turned into garden mulch. A win-win for all parties concerned.

Posted by: Hank at February 23, 2016 02:05 PM (xVYeR)

441 Ending social payments and free shit (education, healthcare, etc) to
illegals will stem a good portion of the tide. I think everybody knows
this including all of Congress. But that won't change anything, illegals
are now considered more equal than normal tax paying citizens.

Another proposal: withhold income tax on wire transfers to Latin/South America on less than, say, $50 K (so as not to inconvenience businesses). You can get the withheld tax back - when you file your income tax return.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 23, 2016 02:06 PM (oKE6c)

442 Why would they want to stay here? All the businesses (jobs) are moving to Mexico. Heck I'd move to Mexico if they didn't have such strict immigration policies.

Posted by: kay at February 23, 2016 02:06 PM (hi6XG)

443 I've stopped using anyone who employs illegal immigrants. I've advised any contractors I'm going to hire that people who are working on my property of a questionable "right to work" must have documentation, and I must see it in advance.

That usually thins the herd rather quickly.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 23, 2016 02:06 PM (GGCsk)

444 "I have no idea what this has to do with anything other than being a typical, leftist style emotional appeal.

Posted by: Rich at February 23, 2016 02:00 PM (MIdlN) "

Exactly. Jean Valjean was a good person - that doesn't mean stealing bread should be legal.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 23, 2016 02:06 PM (4/i9Y)

445 We can't even settle the longbow / crossbow debate. What make you think we can settle the big stuff?

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose
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You'd think we could be more ~~civil~~ accommodating.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 23, 2016 02:06 PM (oFSUK)

446 Whatever system is put in place, it's going to have little impact if it is not enforced.

What good is a E-Verify type system, if ICE, IRS, etc etc isn't on the ground putting cuffs and using buses to haul these people off to processing centers for the big Kiss-Off?

What good is Immigration laws...which is supposed to be the preview of the Federal Government...if places like "Sanctuary Cities" are allowed to function?

I could go on, but you know the song...no need to point out the notes as well.

Posted by: BlaxPac at February 23, 2016 02:06 PM (tL0rn)

447
"What do you call a SJW Community Activist that falls into a wood chipper?"

A good start?
Finally useful?

Posted by: Tilikum KAW Assholier Than Thou at February 23, 2016 02:06 PM (m3iiU)

448 Posted by: SomeGuy at February 23, 2016 02:04 PM (gVHI5)

So Cruz Shilling is going on here?

And who do you Shill for?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 23, 2016 02:06 PM (mw8Dm)

449 >>> OT: One of my favorite entertainers has been Dick Van Dyke. I read today that he is a full on Bernie supporter.. Posted by: Cheri at February 23, 2016 02:00 PM (oiNtH)

I saw that. Disappointing. But then again if I only liked entertainers who shared my politics I'd like about 5 people...

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2016 02:06 PM (hvf9s)

450 Mexico's former ambassador to the U.S. said that 30 million 'undocumented immigrants' are living in the United States in the beginning of an interview before later stating a different number at the conclusion.

Number went up during the interview.

Hell the number went up by 12 since I started this comment.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 23, 2016 02:06 PM (dnQ1L)

451 382 I hate fucking gorillas on horseback.
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My english it is no so very very good...please splain for me...which one of you is onna da horse's back? Da monkey or da monkey fahker?

Posted by: ajmojo at February 23, 2016 02:07 PM (1H9ox)

452 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 23, 2016 01:50 PM (afR/C)

This. As a CPA, John said he could tell with pretty fair accuracy (he thought, no way to verify) who was paying under the table. There's no way the IRS can't also tell who is getting *a lot* more work done than their official labor pool could possibly manage.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 23, 2016 02:07 PM (GDulk)

453 436 Yay! I got one right!
Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2016 02:04 PM (0mRoj)

see? happiness!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 02:05 PM (qCMvj)

Wait, what? I didn't...I had no intention to... You tricked me, you saucy wench!

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2016 02:07 PM (0mRoj)

454 Its that compassionate/their country sucks/this is kind of how the USA was started sensibility which I do sympathize with, but do not hold to myself.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 23, 2016 01:46 PM (39g3+)
_________________________

Yes, and Apple and HP and a bunch of other companies were started in 1- or 2- car garages. Does that mean that these companies should be operating out of tiny garages now? Of course not, that would be idiotic. Just like it is idiotic to suggest that we should have the same "let in anybody who shows up" immigration policy that was in effect when the U.S. was a largely-uninhabited wilderness.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 23, 2016 02:07 PM (df5V4)

455 Haven't been around in awhile but I hear this is the kinder gentler more tolerant AoSHQ? Amirite?

Try the Floating Thread from last week.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 23, 2016 02:07 PM (8ZskC)

456 Cruz is a slightly-edgier-out-of-necessity establishment hack, in the end. We simply would not be talking about immigration *at all* (apart from whether the amnesty should be fast or slow) if it were not for Trump. To pretend that Cruz is his peer in challenging the order of things, just with an "more mature" tone, is ridiculous. What do you think is going to happen when Cruz is no longer swimming in Trump's wake? Of course, then it will be time for "common sense" policy, because "that's not who we are as a people."
Posted by: SomeGuy at February 23, 2016 02:04 PM (gVHI5)

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I hear you. I remember when Rubio was leading the way on amnesty, trying to get it through a Republican Congress, and Ted Cruz just up and decided to support him through that entire process.

Oh wait, that's not how it happened. He actually did things to stop that bill.

Meanwhile, El Trumpo has actually, openly and proudly supported amnesty in his past. Like he's supported every other liberal position on every other issue. But hey, he's dead serious now. Promise!

Posted by: Rich at February 23, 2016 02:07 PM (MIdlN)

457 I refuse to attend CPAC and associate with you bunch of mouth breathers.

In other news, Rush still thinks I'm a conservative.

Posted by: Marco the Rube at February 23, 2016 02:07 PM (2bqlb)

458 Posted by: SomeGuy at February 23, 2016 02:04 PM (gVHI5)

I just posted an actual quote of Trump saying he's going to give illegals special status to do jobs Americans' jobs. Straight out of the horses' goddamn mouth and you have temerity to accuse others including the owner of the blog of being Cruz shills? Look in the mirror dude.

Posted by: Arson Wells at February 23, 2016 02:07 PM (UnJ7w)

459 434 You left out free tuition at the University of California. Those degrees in Lawnmowing Studies don't come cheap. Just put it on my tab, while I pay for my own kids' tuition - out of state. /spits
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We were talking Costa Rica though. Free tuition at IDK Universidad del Rica or whatever. But that wouldn't be worth all that much.
Posted by: Bigby's Pimp Hand at February 23, 2016 02:05 PM (3ZtZW)

Neither is an "education" at the University of California. Stay home and read Marxist shit on your own, and save yourself a lot of time and money.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 23, 2016 02:07 PM (oKE6c)

460 Schadenfreude seems to be Zod's "basic" pro-Trump argument, Joanne, but "I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I" is certainly a bolt in the quiver...

Posted by: General Zod at February 23, 2016 02:07 PM (Bdeb0)

461 Forget it, many Trump supporters are like Obama's red line - it changes daily. Their basic argument for Trump is I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I bullcrap. Totally nonsensical, childish maneuvering.
Posted by: Joanne at February 23, 2016 02:01 PM (hgBpU)

The basic argument for Trump is that his candidacy is a CULTURAL backlash against academic, media, and government controlled by a fascistic crypto-socialism and that the GOP, which has proven itself either a collaborator, too stupid to advances its own policies, or both, needs to be replaced with a political party that doesn't repeatedly sell out its own base and make them want to kill themselves.

That his campaign, while very 21st century, obnoxious, populist, and unbecoming to your cocktail party bowtie republicans who've got it all figured out, actually has some cachet with non-Bernie-koolaid-drinking millenials, and could help turn the tide of the CULTURAL battle we've been getting our asses kicked in, and from whence the progressive left derives its power.

bit.ly/21ot2bt

But keep telling the proles how disgusting they are, you're really winning hearts and minds, and you sure look good doing it, too.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 23, 2016 02:07 PM (xuouz)

462 Can you Caucus at one of them WHore Houses in nevada? Asking for a friend

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 23, 2016 02:07 PM (mw8Dm)

463 This is the sort of position I can get behind, but it needs teeth. Violators, from the smallest mom-and-pop to the largest corporation (and especially the largest corporation) need to have the fear of God put into them.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 23, 2016 01:10 PM (X6fMO)

Simple, make them liable to lawsuits for hiring illegal labor. If they don't e-verify or blatantly disregarded obvious illegals, let them be sued in class action lawsuits. Companies fear lawsuits, let's use that to our advantage.

For entry/exit, just require everyone to post bonds set by skip rates. Then let the bounty hunters loose.

Posted by: WOPR at February 23, 2016 02:07 PM (H7czm)

464 448 Posted by: SomeGuy at February 23, 2016 02:04 PM (gVHI5)

So Cruz Shilling is going on here?

Great pitcher for the Red Sox.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2016 02:08 PM (0mRoj)

465 "What do you call a SJW Community Activist that falls into a wood chipper?"
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Gluten free range organic hemp based mulch

Posted by: ajmojo at February 23, 2016 02:08 PM (1H9ox)

466 Don't give me that diversionary crap that "they're here, work hard and are good people". Their first official act was to break the law and cut the line.

I have an entire family of people who are legal immigrants and they despise people who are here illegally.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 23, 2016 02:08 PM (GGCsk)

467 What's this I hear about Rubio giving the same answer eight times on O'Reilly?

I don't think he's a robot. I think he's a teacher's pet. Teacher's pets learn to memorize and regurgitate. That'll always get you an "A".

Originality, by comparison, can get you anything from an "A" to an "F".

In this, he reminds me very much of Al Gore.
Posted by: Arthur Wellesley, First Duke of Wellington at February 23, 2016 02:05 PM (bpn7O)

the whole interview made me uncomfortable

rubio was afraid of O'Reilly

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 02:08 PM (qCMvj)

468 they're not worth addressing in a forthright and good-faith fashion, non-condescending fashion.

one of Ace's few rules here is to address things in a non-condescending fashion.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 23, 2016 02:09 PM (ODxAs)

469 "So, Trump gets elected (*shudder*) and tries to soft pedal his hard line
immigration promises when he realizes how much he'll have to pay actual
citizens to build and staff his hotels."

Are you more concerned with the well-being of foreign citizens and the bottom lines of corporations and billionaires than you are with the well-being of low skilled pink and blue collar American citizens?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsor of the 2016 Trump of Doom Tour! at February 23, 2016 02:09 PM (hLRSq)

470 455
Haven't been around in awhile but I hear this is the kinder gentler more tolerant AoSHQ? Amirite?

Try the Floating Thread from last week.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 23, 2016 02:07 PM (8ZskC)

On my way. have a great day. 'rons.

Posted by: Badda Bing at February 23, 2016 02:09 PM (BkNIC)

471 Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 23, 2016 02:06 PM (mw8Dm)

Apparently you aren't familiar with the term "shill". It doesn't not simply mean support.

I believe my post clearly implied that I support Trump. That is not shilling as my intentions and position are entirely transparent.

Posted by: SomeGuy at February 23, 2016 02:09 PM (gVHI5)

472 447
"What do you call a SJW Community Activist that falls into a wood chipper?"

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A recipient of the Lifetime Achievement Award.

Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2016 02:09 PM (Fmupd)

473 I have an entire family of people who are legal immigrants and they despise people who are here illegally.

Irish?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 23, 2016 02:09 PM (8ZskC)

474 Wow there are a lot of new words in the actual post.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 23, 2016 02:09 PM (mf5HN)

475 why the hell is rick santorum endorsing Rubio?

I don't think I can vote for Rubio in the general.
sorry

Posted by: harley1911 at February 23, 2016 02:10 PM (SHCNy)

476 My maternal grandparents came to this country in the early 1930s. To be allowed in, my grandfather had to prove he would be able to support himself without public assistance, be free from a list of known diseases, and demonstrate a record of good behavior with a lack of a criminal record. They spoke no English when they started; they learned enough in their first six months to function in society with being cloistered in an immigrant ghetto.

I guess there were a lot fewer words in the dictionary back then. That must explain how they did that.

Grandad got a job working for Savage Arms, a company many folks here are probably familiar with. He worked there for 42 years before retiring.

That's not asking too much from the current crop, is it?

Posted by: Qoheleth at February 23, 2016 02:10 PM (iIzG7)

477 Apparently you aren't familiar with the term "shill". It doesn't not simply mean support.

I believe my post clearly implied that I support Trump. That is not shilling as my intentions and position are entirely transparent.
Posted by: SomeGuy at February 23, 2016 02:09 PM (gVHI5)

You used the term shill..I was just interested in whom you supported.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 23, 2016 02:10 PM (mw8Dm)

478 >>>they're sending their money "home" somewhere

Not only are they sending money home, last year remittances from the US exceeded oil income.

The Mexican government has good financial reasons to export people to the US.

Posted by: Arthur Wellesley, First Duke of Wellington at February 23, 2016 02:10 PM (bpn7O)

479 I'm not being snarky about this. Let's apply the laws as currently on the books for, say, three years and then reevaluate.

I'd go for thirty years but I often need reminders

http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content
/uploads/2016/02/funny-320.jpg

Posted by: DaveA at February 23, 2016 02:10 PM (DL2i+)

480 "Do we want to be the next Balkans?"

An occasionally voiced observation around here is that the next Civil War to engulf America isn't going to look like Gettysburg did. It's going to look like Sarajevo.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 23, 2016 02:10 PM (noWW6)

481 I'm not sure why E-verify is necessary to do that. We already have a law in place.

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 01:36 PM (gmeXX)

E-verify already is in place, and being used. Businesses all over Arizona have placards in the window stating that they use E-verify. McDonalds does it, so do mom-and-pop restaurants. It's a tool they use to perform their due diligence.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 23, 2016 02:11 PM (afR/C)

482 So Cruz Shilling is going on here?

He played for Boston right?

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 23, 2016 02:11 PM (YqcVw)

483 They were a little hard to understand, but I made out a bit of it. Something something robotic velociraptor hotel bellhop.They said they'd call back.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 23, 2016 02:03 PM (noWW6)

Grand Budapest meets Jurassic Park meets iRobot...

*furiously begins screenplay*

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2016 02:11 PM (hvf9s)

484 "So Cruz Shilling is going on here?

Great pitcher for the Red Sox.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2016 02:08 PM (0mRoj) "

Almost as good as that Manny Ortez. He sure hits a lot of touchdowns.

Posted by: Secretary of State Boston Barbaro at February 23, 2016 02:11 PM (4/i9Y)

485 >> You'd think we could be more civil accommodating.
>> Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 23, 2016 02:06 PM

It's true these discussion(s) tend significantly toward the mechanical rather than the civil, but then, it's well-known that civil engineers build targets, and mechanical engineers destroy them.

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at February 23, 2016 02:11 PM (ml1PM)

486 >>Their first official act was to break the law and cut the line.

And they pretty much have to break additional laws to live here - identity theft, tax fraud, lying on contracts, etc.

The illegal immigrant journalist Jose Antonio Vargas tried to claim he deserves to be here because he hadn't broken any laws...lied: tax fraud. It's unavoidable.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/270255/
jose-antonio-vargas-daniel-foster

Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2016 02:11 PM (NOIQH)

487 "The Trump Tower in Vegas doesn't have a casino, because Harry Reid has a lot of influence over the gaming commission and was able to stonewall Trump's attempts to get licensed"

Trump proudly proclaimed he donated to Democrats like Reid and Pelosi so they would do what he asked when he called.

So what exactly did the exalted deal maker get for his many donations to Harry Reid? Because this sounds like sort of a thumb in Trump's eye.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at February 23, 2016 02:12 PM (kZNQE)

488 Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 23, 2016 02:06 PM (mw8Dm)

lol, right, that good ol' "poison pill

" Rube.

Posted by: SomeGuy at February 23, 2016 02:12 PM (gVHI5)

489 So Cruz Shilling is going on here?

He played for Boston right?
Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 23, 2016 02:11 PM (YqcVw)

Well only after he snuck over the border and played for Arizona first

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 23, 2016 02:12 PM (mw8Dm)

490 The guy who is leading in the polls doesn't want limited government, and that is because ~40% of the Republican base doesn't want limited government either. They want big muscular active government, but one that helps them.

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I think this is somewhat true. But this isn't entirely new. Of course the country as a whole likes big government. If the country didn't, we'd have smaller government.

But I don't understand why e-verify is so supported on this site.

We are willing to overlook the history of federal intrusion, particularly in the private sector, for the "benefits" of e-verify. Companies that break the law by hiring illegals will all of sudden just obey it if e-verify is available. Nothing about e-verify seems "conservative" to me.

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 02:12 PM (gmeXX)

491 I hate fucking gorillas on horseback.
Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2016 01:58 PM (91LL3)

----

Then stop fucking them that way.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 23, 2016 02:12 PM (8XRCm)

492 I just the most impressive/obscene combover of all time on MSNBC. The guy's hair started in the middle of the back of his head and and combed forward on both side and on top.

I can't even imagine what he looks like in a big wind.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 23, 2016 02:12 PM (/tuJf)

493 Cruz Shilling was my favorite pitcher!

Posted by: president o'bumbles at February 23, 2016 02:12 PM (WOyz5)

494 If companies violate the current law, why will they now just accept E-Verify?

E-Verify should move the error liability to .gov? Does it?

Posted by: DaveA at February 23, 2016 02:12 PM (DL2i+)

495 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 23, 2016 01:50 PM (afR/C)

A good start?

C'mon, people, pick it up. It's like I hardly know you any more.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (oKE6c)

496 Insomniac beat me by a mile

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (YqcVw)

497 Haven't been around in awhile but I hear this is the kinder gentler more tolerant AoSHQ? Amirite?
Posted by: Badda Bing at February 23, 2016 02:05 PM (BkNIC)

Wait, are we tranqing the hobos now before we shoot them? No one tells me these things!

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (hvf9s)

498 Haven't been around in awhile but I hear this is the kinder gentler more tolerant AoSHQ? Amirite?

When we finish drinking from the empty skull of our enemies we now wash it out.

So your guess is as good as mine.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsor of the 2016 Trump of Doom Tour! at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (hLRSq)

499
Will Cruz support a temporary ban on muslim refugees from the middle east?

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (RcpcZ)

500 I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter. I think.

Posted by: rickl at February 23, 2016 02:03 PM (zoehZ)
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Please do! It's usually published gratis on the left-hand wall of the men's stall at the I-5 Los Banos Denny's.

Posted by: KillianThyme at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (n2r4H)

501 Posted by: SomeGuy at February 23, 2016 02:09 PM (gVHI5)

Here is a direct quotation from you:

"The Cruz shilling that goes on here is just
embarrassing."

Perhaps when you use the word incorrectly, and a bit offensively, some people will respond in kind?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (Zu3d9)

502 E-verify already is in place, and being used. Businesses all over Arizona have placards in the window stating that they use E-verify. McDonalds does it, so do mom-and-pop restaurants. It's a tool they use to perform their due diligence.

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Great, then what's the problem?

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (gmeXX)

503 Catapults vs Trebuchets. They stopped building castles when the trebuchet was invented. A trebuchet on rails is the nie-perfect transmission of potential energy.

*drops mic*

*trips on cord*

*falls off stage*

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (VdICR)

504 The trumpists need to calm down. Cruz defeated Rubios amnesty alongside Mike Lee and Jeff Sessions long before anyone wasted a thought on the political ambitions of Donald Trump.

Trump didnt invent the wheel and he didnt invent immigration as a political issue. Its an obvious weakness in Rubios armor and an obvious contrast to Cruz. So yes: we would have talked about immigration even if Trump had stayed in Trump Tower.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (vVcx9)

505 Just like it is idiotic to suggest that we should have the same "let in anybody who shows up" immigration policy that was in effect when the U.S. was a largely-uninhabited wilderness.

Indeed. We're a different place now, and as circumstances change, so do the rules.

I'm not being snarky about this. Let's apply the laws as currently on the books for, say, three years and then reevaluate.

Sure, that's what would work, ultimately. Probably some form of limiting the flood of money to Mexico would be important as well, I like the "withholding" plan suggested above as well. Or just taxing the crap out of money sent out of the USA, period. If states started doing that it would help their bottom line considerably and reduce Mexico's encouragement of illegal immigration.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (39g3+)

506

one of Ace's few rules here is to address things in a non-condescending fashion.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 23, 2016 02:09 PM (ODxAs)

----------------

Good advice. So please, everyone, do like I do and don't be crude, unvarnished tools.

Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (Fmupd)

507 _Not only are they sending money home, last year remittances from the US exceeded oil income._

There's a book about the narcotraficantes, _Down By The River_, which notes that the proceeds of the drug trade to Mexico are larger than remittances, tourism, agriculture, manufacturing, and PEMEX oil and gas, all combined.

It is noted that if the borders were shut and the narcotics trade thereby slashed in side, the Mexican financial economy would likely catastrophically collapse overnight, and that the mandarinate in D.C. are perfectly well aware of this harsh reality, and hence merely pretend to fight the Mex narco cartels.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 23, 2016 02:14 PM (noWW6)

508 Oh please. We know where these people are! If ICE hung out in the right places, e.g.-Home Depot parking lots, hotels, suburbs during the summer, construction sites, etc., tell me they couldn't catch a bunch. Then they'd have to leave.

Posted by: Hadoop at February 23, 2016 02:14 PM (2X7pN)

509 It's just that here, I have the opportunity to complain, whereas everywhere else I just mutely leave the site and never return.

Posted by: zombie at February 23, 2016 01:34 PM

zombie (if you're still here): you need to get here earlier and read the VicNews. He presents links, a description of the actual news involved, and -- mostly -- his pithy (and pretty damn accurate) take on what's in the articles. And sometimes, when you talk to him about them, he answers.

Best part of the A.M. HQ!

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 23, 2016 02:14 PM (D+xyy)

510 But keep telling the proles how disgusting they are, you're really winning hearts and minds, and you sure look good doing it, too

====

Well, that and Cruz has no path to the Nomination so playing the high and mighty is a fkn joke in itself.

Posted by: Bigby's Pimp Hand at February 23, 2016 02:14 PM (3ZtZW)

511 Posted by: SomeGuy at February 23, 2016 02:04 PM (gVHI5)

The Trump fluffing among websites is like at a 100 to 1 ratio.

Go to GatewayPundit or Conservative Treehouse if you want to get your Trump nut off.

Posted by: Hunta Khan at February 23, 2016 02:14 PM (+oR7L)

512 What do you call a SJW Community Activist that falls into a wood chipper?

Posted by: The Self-Deporter at February 23, 2016 01:47 PM (+zqYj)

__________________________________________

Triggered.

Posted by: NotCoach at February 23, 2016 02:14 PM (rsudF)

513 488: "lol, right, that good ol' "poison pill " Rube."

Bob isn't a total dick.

Be like Bob.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 23, 2016 02:14 PM (yiTg1)

514 But this sounds to me like he's saying "toss em back and let them come in through the system"

expedited through the system

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 23, 2016 02:14 PM (evdj2)

515 496 Insomniac beat me by a mile
Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (YqcVw)

Nah. About 60 feet, 6 inches.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2016 02:14 PM (0mRoj)

516 I love this "Only Trump Caused Us To Talk About Immigration" nonsense. Eric Cantor, House Majority Leader, lost his damn seat only a few years ago BECAUSE of a hard line stance the people took against immigration reform.

But hey, history started with Trump.

Posted by: Rich at February 23, 2016 02:14 PM (MIdlN)

517 What causes problems with invasion/immigration is complex and compound. Welfare state, minimum wage, business over-regulation, work visa and visitor visa unfairness and enforcement or lack thereof, failing e-verify, on and on. The whole tangle of socialist influence, largely.

But to look at just one select angle...

In the latest Intellectual Froglegs video, Joe Dan had two clips, one of Cruz, one of his boy Trump, asked the same question, would you deport parents of anchor babies (been a few days since I watched it, but I think I have this right).

Cruz did not answer directly - talked about various approaches to handling the matter of invaders/immigrants generally. Trump outright answered, yes, deport them. Joe Dan, sadly, was giddy over this. (I like Joe Dan, but....)

Well, that looks simple on the surface, but...

If you have immigrants naturalized, their under-age kids, presumably, become citizens, right? But, if you have under-age kids naturalized, that doesn't reflect back up to the parents. So, there's a real problem created there, with parents who ought to be deported, but the baby can stay.

Whhaat?

So, the whole anchor-baby law is a snake pit that should never have been dug, but it is the law, it seems. What can be done now, about not breaking up families but not deporting child-citizens?

I've got no answer. Just acknowledging the mess, and wondering what the brainiacs here think.

No wonder Cruz didn't want to step into that crap trap.

Posted by: mindful webworker - no expert I!! at February 23, 2016 02:14 PM (Jcvz2)

518 E-verify already is in place, and being used. Businesses all over Arizona have placards in the window stating that they use E-verify. McDonalds does it, so do mom-and-pop restaurants. It's a tool they use to perform their due diligence.

------------

Great, then what's the problem?
Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (gmeXX)

I suspect more businesses have the sign in the window than are actually using it. LMAO....Kinda like the signs about the Guard Dog or the Security System you have in place

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 23, 2016 02:15 PM (mw8Dm)

519 "do like I do and don't be crude, unvarnished tools."

I'm striving to be a well-lubricated tool, but unfortunately in this time zone, the sun isn't quite over the yardarm yet.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 23, 2016 02:15 PM (noWW6)

520 "We were talking Costa Rica though."

Costa Rica's not the best example to suggest. My experience there is that nearly half the country speaks enough English to be able to do business, most businesses accept dollars, every shopkeeper and cabbie knows today's exchange rate, and no one every tries to cheat you.

Consider also Belize, where it's like Costa Rica, but English is the national language.

Posted by: Qoheleth at February 23, 2016 02:16 PM (iIzG7)

521 "So what exactly did the exalted deal maker get for his many donations to Harry Reid?"

Not sure, but I bet he wasn't too upset when Harry's "exercise band" broke.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsor of the 2016 Trump of Doom Tour! at February 23, 2016 02:16 PM (hLRSq)

522 Ya gotta listen to the moose out front.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 23, 2016 02:16 PM (evdj2)

523 There was a "nice stories, happy" thread here a couple days after President Obama was inexplicably reelected in 2012. Because everyone wanted to hang themselves in shocked disbelief.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 23, 2016 02:16 PM (39g3+)

524 506

one of Ace's few rules here is to address things in a non-condescending fashion.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 23, 2016 02:09 PM (ODxAs)

----------------

Good advice. So please, everyone, do like I do and don't be crude, unvarnished tools.
Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (Fmupd)

*bites thumb*

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2016 02:16 PM (0mRoj)

525 "Trump proudly proclaimed he donated to Democrats like Reid and Pelosi so they would do what he asked when he called.

So what exactly did the exalted deal maker get for his many donations to Harry Reid? Because this sounds like sort of a thumb in Trump's eye.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at February 23, 2016 02:12 PM (kZNQE) "

Maybe he got access to Harry Reid's stash of Pederast Monthly? Cuz he certainly didn't get a gaming license. And it's not because he isn't well-versed in dealing with shady gaming commissions - I mean, he has multiple casinos in New Jersey FFS.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 23, 2016 02:16 PM (4/i9Y)

526 SHILL: A person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.

Self interest - protect freedoms
profit - low taxer
friendship - conservatives are the best people
loyalty - I love my country

I am a Cruz shill and proud of it!!!

Posted by: Cheri at February 23, 2016 02:16 PM (oiNtH)

527 Siiiigh... willowed again.

Posted by: mindful webworker - what, me willowed? at February 23, 2016 02:16 PM (Jcvz2)

528 >>> It is noted that if the borders were shut and the narcotics trade thereby slashed in side, the Mexican financial economy would likely catastrophically collapse overnight, and that the mandarinate in D.C. are perfectly well aware of this harsh reality, and hence merely pretend to fight the Mex narco cartels.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 23, 2016 02:14 PM (noWW6)

Supposedly the synthetic drugs coming out of China have a bigger return on investment, are harder to track, and are more potent. Wonder how the Cartels feel about that...

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2016 02:16 PM (hvf9s)

529 I'd settle for booting out the terrorist sympathizers, drunk drivers, rapists, and La Raza types. As a bonus, we can throw in a few million Bernie voters.

Posted by: Global Warming made Hillary a drunk at February 23, 2016 02:16 PM (ZufZo)

530

Opinions, assholes etc.

Posted by: Some Dude, Not Some Guy at February 23, 2016 02:17 PM (+zqYj)

531 I love this "Only Trump Caused Us To Talk About Immigration" nonsense. Eric Cantor, House Majority Leader, lost his damn seat only a few years ago BECAUSE of a hard line stance the people took against immigration reform.

But hey, history started with Trump.
Posted by: Rich at February 23, 2016 02:14 PM (MIdlN)

That's a great point and true, but you can't deny Trump has brought that issue to the forefront and got the Press Coverage for it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 23, 2016 02:17 PM (mw8Dm)

532 Breaking: TRUMP To Skip FOX GOP Candidate's Town Hall with Megyn Kelly on Wednesday

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 23, 2016 02:17 PM (YqcVw)

533 Cruz's position isn't really a flip-flop, nor heartless. But it sounds like self-deportation to me, combined with actual deportation.
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Ace, His stance has always been the same, I just think he had to actually "say the magic words" for the LIV.

Posted by: Joanne at February 23, 2016 02:17 PM (hgBpU)

534 I suspect more businesses have the sign in the window than are actually using it. LMAO....Kinda like the signs about the Guard Dog or the Security System you have in place

Ding ding ding!!!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 23, 2016 02:18 PM (dnQ1L)

535 Can we also NOT give non-citizens the right to vote?

Especially more than once Candidate Kasich?

Posted by: DaveA at February 23, 2016 02:18 PM (DL2i+)

536

all over south west houston there are strip malls and in every strip mall there are businesses that advertise only in spanish and offer

1. wire tranfers

2. cell phones

3. computer repair, and

4. bill payment services for phone, wifi, and utilities

they only exist to make sure the money flow goes back home

Posted by: ThunderB at February 23, 2016 02:18 PM (zOTsN)

537 Businesses all over Arizona have placards in the window stating that they use E-verify.
______________________
They are all supposed to use it. It's a state law. A law that the Obama administration sued AZ to try and stop, of course. They lost in the SCOTUS.

However, AZ doesn't do much to enforce compliance with the law. The window signs are mainly used for PR purposes, because businesses know that AZ citizens like the law.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 23, 2016 02:18 PM (df5V4)

538 We had one of the best rated schools in the state. Great graduation rates, test scores etc. People worked hard to have their kids perform well to gain better opportunities. Uncontrolled illegal immigration has destroyed that. In addition to killing our taxes based on all the additional services we have to provide, the schools are now overcrowded, classroom size is way up and test scores are down. The overall quality of education has suffered because of it.

But you know, I should be "compassionate" to people who have broken our laws and are destroying our communities because they have no skin in the game. Even though I've worked my entire life to provide better for my family and contributed to the community in a material way.

I'm so sick of it.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 23, 2016 02:18 PM (GGCsk)

539 New muy caliente thread up!

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2016 02:18 PM (hvf9s)

540 516
I love this "Only Trump Caused Us To Talk About Immigration" nonsense.
Eric Cantor, House Majority Leader, lost his damn seat only a few years
ago BECAUSE of a hard line stance the people took against immigration
reform.

But hey, history started with Trump.

After Trump wins the election, Donnie will start time with year1 AT (After Trump) anytime before his election win is 2016 BT (Before Trump)

Posted by: Hunta Khan at February 23, 2016 02:18 PM (+oR7L)

541 I have enormous respect for the immigrants who come here legally and make a life for themselves. The trucking industry is loaded with Eastern Europeans who came here without speaking the language and managed to learn the language, open a business, buy a truck (or several) and create paying jobs for others who want to come here.

As you said in the post, that requires enormous guts and gumption and is deserving of great respect.

Those are not the people in question.

The men and women I speak of would be humiliated by a life of welfare.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 23, 2016 02:18 PM (8PbKi)

542
Well yes, otoh he did take down the big red blaring sidebar post, so f you.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 23, 2016 02:18 PM (ODxAs)

543 "The trumpists need to calm down."

I'm a "Trumpist," and I'll calm down because you want me to.

Posted by: General Zod at February 23, 2016 02:19 PM (Bdeb0)

544 Wow there are a lot of new words in the actual post.
Posted by: alexthechick

Oh thank you! Ace is the only place where stealth edits improve posts.

I'd have missed everything past "So here's what I think must happen, Mario-Style", which includes Marco smearing himself with animal feces. Hilarious.

Left unaddressed, which kind of animal?

Also,

*smooch*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2016 02:19 PM (1xUj/)

545 491
I hate fucking gorillas on horseback.

Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2016 01:58 PM (91LL3)

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Then stop fucking them that way.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 23, 2016 02:12 PM (8XRCm)

Ok, this be funny.

Posted by: Badda Bing at February 23, 2016 02:19 PM (BkNIC)

546 one of Ace's few rules here is to address things in a non-condescending fashion.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 23, 2016 02:09 PM (ODxAs)
----------------
Good advice. So please, everyone, do like I do and don't be crude, unvarnished tools.
Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (Fmupd)

Wow.

Great advice guys.

Thanks. Thanks so much.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 23, 2016 02:19 PM (xuouz)

547 Why do I get the feeling Cruz' campaign is circling the drain? Media manipulation?

Posted by: kathysaysso at February 23, 2016 01:03 PM (43OZ6)

The media and other campaign manipulation is making you THINK that is true. I would suggest if you support Cruz that you ignore the noise and keep working to get him elected.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 23, 2016 02:19 PM (OrI3J)

548 Good advice. So please, everyone, do like I do and don't be crude, unvarnished tools.
Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (Fmupd)

aye

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 02:19 PM (qCMvj)

549 Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at February 23, 2016 02:03 PM (4/i9Y)

If Trump has a grudge against Reid, it may make him deal tougher with the dems. Yes, I know it's sad that something personal in private life would be a ray of hope in a presidential election. Has it been noted that the US has become a silly place?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 23, 2016 02:19 PM (GDulk)

550 Knowing Jug Ears, the E-Verify system is rigged and all the info that comes back to the employer is peachy keen.

The opposite is true for criminal background checks for buying guns. That's a SNAFU that takes months to clear up.

Posted by: Hank at February 23, 2016 02:20 PM (xVYeR)

551 Ace, His stance has always been the same, I just think he had to actually "say the magic words" for the LIV.

But that's the problem, you DO have to say the words. You can't just presume everyone knows or understands you. And say them slowly with few syllables so the press gets you.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 23, 2016 02:20 PM (39g3+)

552 I thought SJWs died by bulldozer. When did the woodchipper show up?

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 23, 2016 02:21 PM (oDCMR)

553 Guys, during his last Senate election, John McCain of all people actually had to do the song-and-dance about building a wall. John. McCain. This has been talked about for years and years and for quite a few people has been required of them to get reelected.

Now of course, McCain lied through his teeth, but the point remains. Donald Trump is not the forefather of this issue. Nor is he the first to promise to follow through with it.

Posted by: Rich at February 23, 2016 02:21 PM (MIdlN)

554 Why do I get the feeling Cruz' campaign is circling the drain? Media manipulation?

Posted by: kathysaysso at February 23, 2016 01:03 PM (43OZ6)

The media and other campaign manipulation is making you THINK that is true. I would suggest if you support Cruz that you ignore the noise and keep working to get him elected.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 23, 2016 02:19 PM (OrI3J)

he's ahead in delegates to Rubio (by +1 I think), but he's still #2 in delegates!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 02:21 PM (qCMvj)

555 548 Good advice. So please, everyone, do like I do and don't be crude, unvarnished tools.
Posted by: Soona

IOW, go outside to break wind.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 23, 2016 02:21 PM (dnQ1L)

556 Cruz now embracing full deportation as response to illegals.

Woot!

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 23, 2016 01:04 PM (rwI+c)

And more than Trump is willing to do (under most versions of his immigration position).

Posted by: redbanzai at February 23, 2016 02:21 PM (OrI3J)

557 523 There was a "nice stories, happy" thread here a couple days after President Obama was inexplicably reelected in 2012. Because everyone wanted to hang themselves in shocked disbelief.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 23, 2016 02:16 PM (39g3+)

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That was the famous De Sade thread. Or maybe that was a different blog.

Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2016 02:21 PM (Fmupd)

558 Is there Rubio shilling going on here? Of course.

Posted by: Geoffrey at February 23, 2016 02:22 PM (LoRcb)

559 But keep telling the proles how disgusting they are,
you're really winning hearts and minds, and you sure look good doing
it, too.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 23, 2016 02:07 PM

Yup. Driving it underground and they will vote for Trump out of spite. Yes pissed off people do things out of spite. And the Democrat low turnout seems to correlate to the Republican increase in turnout. Funny that. Just some weird
coincidence. There is so much to go after Trump about without sneering.

Posted by: Lester at February 23, 2016 02:22 PM (2UPXV)

560 well, okay, I'll mention it to Misanthropic Human. But bear in mind he's trying to find some creative juice in a task that is sort of tedious. So i'll note that people want to know what the headline clicks on, but you have to let him have some fun too.

***

A simple mouse-over will tell what the link is about. That's what I do.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 23, 2016 02:24 PM (8PbKi)

561 Rubio Needs to Step Aside and Clear the Field For Ted Cruz, Not Vice Versa
--Ace

And then there is

A CRUZ-RUBIO COMPACT
The only way to stop Trump -- and Hillary.

http://spectator.org/articles/65548/cruz-rubio-compact

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2016 02:25 PM (qCMvj)

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Hobo at the library
Any hobo at the library is engaging in the time honored practice of searching for Internet porn. Looking at you, Freeattle.

My idea for happiness thread would be a weekly collection of cute dog and cat videos, closed comment and an exhortation to send more of same. No ferrets, rats or (shudder) spiders.
I am waiving my consultancy fee cuz happiness.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at February 23, 2016 02:25 PM (FtrY1)

563 I recall 2 or 3 years ago when Ace - and most other right-of-center pundits - were still arguing that deportation - either self-deportation or otherwise - was impossible.

Now, many are acknowledging that deportation is actually possible.

We've made some minute progress, and all thanks to Trump.

Let's face it - absent Trump, every candidate in this race - including Cruz - would be for amnesty. they wouldn't call it amnesty, but they would never mention deportation.

That alone suggests that Trump is the right candidate. We aren't going to get smaller gov't or less spending or roll-back of Obama's gains under the current crop of GOP congressman and Senators. the best we can hope for is to stop amnesty and secure the border.

Let's start there.

Posted by: Golden at February 23, 2016 02:26 PM (3ZtZW)

564 Want to find the illegals? It's like finding the booze in Chicago during prohibition. EVERYONE knew where it was, they just did not want to enforce the law or there was to much money in it letting it slide. Illegals? They are ALL on the same corner every AM, I know it, You know it, and the "Authorities" know it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 23, 2016 02:26 PM (mw8Dm)

565 I try not to sneer at Trump supporters. I see his appeal, especially as an anti-PC candidate that is pushing back against this SJW culture we find ourselves in. That's important.

But when people try and tell me Donald Trump is the True Con and Ted Cruz isn't....I'm not sure what I have left to do other than sneer. One of these men has held a far left position on every major issue in the last 20 years. The other is Ted Cruz, a guy who is absolutely and totally despised by the inside-the-beltway club, so much so that they'd rather Donald Trump be President before Ted Cruz.

Sell me on Trumps strengths, but don't lie to me about who and what he is.

Posted by: Rich at February 23, 2016 02:26 PM (MIdlN)

566 Left unaddressed, which kind of animal?

Also,

*smooch*
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2016 02:19 PM (1xUj/)

A weasel. Obvs.

*narrows eyes*

What. Did. You. Do?

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 23, 2016 02:26 PM (mf5HN)

567 This is an over-reaction to Trump, and it's just stupid.

With proper laws, properly enforced, the illegals would self-deport without any struggle.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2016 01:08 PM (Zu3d9)

As Ace pointed out, most will. Cruz is expressing a willingness and intention to deport the ones that won't (which would be mostly people who are supporting themselves completely on the black market by selling drugs, thievery, etc). It was not stupid when Eisenhower did it and it is not stupid now.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 23, 2016 02:27 PM (OrI3J)

568 I disagree with Gateway Pundit and Conservative Treehouse but the majority of what they say is true[especially in regards to DoasIsaynotasIdobio.]

Posted by: Geoffrey at February 23, 2016 02:27 PM (LoRcb)

569 Rubio will be skipping CPAC to get the Lorenz Strange Attractor upgrade to his interaction circuitry. This will allow him to transition randomly back and forth between two given answers, and will also allow for some phrase variation.

He'll sound a lot more human, after.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 23, 2016 02:28 PM (bpn7O)

570 Are you more concerned with the well-being of
foreign citizens and the bottom lines of corporations and billionaires
than you are with the well-being of low skilled pink and blue collar
American citizens?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsor of the 2016 Trump of Doom Tour! at February 23, 2016 02:09 PM (hLRSq)
--------You mistake me, sir. As the child of blue collar parents, I am most sympathetic to their plight. It's just that when being forced to choose the form of my destruction--crushed by continuing executive overreach/bureaucratic cronyism (Trump) or sold out by globalists to a new world order (Rubio)--one can hardly expect to drink either poison without some measure of discomfort.
Also, allow me to say that you seem to have missed my point that the blue collar messiah (Trump) is in fact a past (and perhaps current) employer of the very scourge against whom he rails (illegals). He hires them, dude, and doesn't give a flying fornication for average American workers beyond how they can propel him to his next venture. In that context, the bolded is particularly ironic.

Posted by: KillianThyme at February 23, 2016 02:28 PM (n2r4H)

571
I think the bible thing is gonna sink Cruz..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 23, 2016 01:08 PM (Yb7wo)

It shouldn't. Even Atheists should be smart enough to know that a truly religious Christian will be forthright and honorable in all of his dealings and understand that that is a GOOD thing (and a thing as rare as hen's teeth) in a politician.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 23, 2016 02:30 PM (OrI3J)

572 Let's face it - absent Trump, every candidate in this race - including Cruz - would be for amnesty. they wouldn't call it amnesty, but they would never mention deportation.

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No, let's not face it, because it's absolute nonsense. Were it true amnesty would have effin passed when Rubio and the boys TRIED TO PASS IT.

The fact that it didn't should tell you that, no, there are people who would not, absent Trump, pass an amnesty bill. Ted Cruz being one of those guys.

You guys don't get to rewrite history on this fight and anoint Trump the figurehead.

Posted by: Rich at February 23, 2016 02:31 PM (MIdlN)

573 The plain and simple truth is that we have too many special snowflakes in this country that do not want to do any jobs that get their hands dirty. I do not see that changing, unless we get to Depression era standards. And I say that as someone that has picked fruit. And my mom worked at Armour back in the 50s. Pretty sure most of those jobs are held by illegals now.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 23, 2016 02:32 PM (5HBd1)

574 But think of the poor children of illegals! Life does suck for children of criminals. Stop making life suck for your kids.

Posted by: jd at February 23, 2016 02:32 PM (MTWhU)

575 >>>Suckers that we are for European wars, we answer the call.

Europe's done for. You're not going to see Americans deployed to do anything for a continent which - except for the Swiss, I'll bet - will be a Muslim swamp by about, oh, 2100.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 23, 2016 02:33 PM (bpn7O)

576 "Sell me on Trumps strengths."

I'll try. When my fellow Trump orcs and I are fossicking through the smoldering wreckage, I will lead you through the maelstrom to His throne and appeal to Him to show you and yours mercy, because compassion. He has given me to believe that not only is He is cruel master, and a luxurious and yooge master, but He is a fair master.

If I were you, in electoral sackcloth and ashes, I'd consider that a strength, though it may not be apparent right now...

Posted by: General Zod at February 23, 2016 02:33 PM (Bdeb0)

577 >>>So stop fucking them, on horseback or otherwise.

Have you seen the documentary "Like Water for Chocolate"?

Horseback action appears to be fun. Modulo gorillas, of course.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 23, 2016 02:35 PM (bpn7O)

578 Eh, Donald Trump is a great candidate for pushing back against the societal decay, especially in terms of the kid-gloves, safe space, SJW crowd.

But I'm not gonna sit here and debate back and forth about Donald being the first person to ever, in the history of the world, push back against illegal immigration and amnesty. Fact is, he's way LATE on this issue compared to others who have been fighting the fight far, far longer than he has. Some of us have actually paid attention prior to this past June.

Posted by: Rich at February 23, 2016 02:35 PM (MIdlN)

579 "Fact is, he's way LATE on this issue compared to others who have been fighting the fight far, far longer than he has."

Fighting...and *losing* for far, far too long, heretic. Prepare to meet your doom.

Posted by: General Zod at February 23, 2016 02:38 PM (Bdeb0)

580
516 I love this "Only Trump Caused Us To Talk About Immigration" nonsense. Eric Cantor, House Majority Leader, lost his damn seat only a few years ago BECAUSE of a hard line stance the people took against immigration reform.

But hey, history started with Trump.

Posted by: Rich at February 23, 2016 02:14 PM (MIdlN)

Yeah - I love how the GOP congress followed through and put an end to Obama's open border policies.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 23, 2016 02:38 PM (RcpcZ)

581 Great, then what's the problem?

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (gmeXX)

You tell me. You are the one whining about it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 23, 2016 02:41 PM (afR/C)

582 Enforce the law.

Don't make exceptions for criminals who are not criminal-criminal, as Rubio proposes. If you're here illegally chances are you're at the very least committing identity theft and tax evasion, not to mention the much higher than usual drunk driving offenses.

Replace Obama's catch & release with catch & deport. This isn't hard.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 23, 2016 02:41 PM (t5zYU)

583 The plain and simple truth is that we have too many
special snowflakes in this country that do not want to do any jobs that
get their hands dirty. I do not see that changing, unless we get to
Depression era standards. And I say that as someone that has picked
fruit. And my mom worked at Armour back in the 50s. Pretty sure most of
those jobs are held by illegals now.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 23, 2016 02:32 PM (5HBd1)

This is not true... but why would most young people (absent some semblance of constitutional abhorrence of charity) work when the government will pay them more to sit at home? Remove or reduce the welfare state and people will be glad to take those jobs because they would starve otherwise.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 23, 2016 02:43 PM (OrI3J)

584 >>>"What do you call a SJW Community Activist that falls into a wood chipper?"

Sausage?

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 23, 2016 02:44 PM (bpn7O)

585 563: "...and all thanks to Trump"

Someone hasn't been paying attention for the last few years.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 23, 2016 02:45 PM (yiTg1)

586 Just how the hell do we assimilate all these people?

Why bother now that the Democrats have deassimilated the black population.

Posted by: DaveA at February 23, 2016 02:45 PM (DL2i+)

587 Does this change anything he already has said?

Trump isn't forcibly deporting 12 million people regardless of what he says.

Posted by: JEM at February 23, 2016 02:47 PM (ZoYwk)

588 I love this "Only Trump Caused Us To Talk About
Immigration" nonsense. Eric Cantor, House Majority Leader, lost his damn
seat only a few years ago BECAUSE of a hard line stance the people took
against immigration reform.

But hey, history started with Trump.

Posted by: Rich at February 23, 2016 02:14 PM (MIdlN)

Yeah - I love how the GOP congress followed through and put an end to Obama's open border policies.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 23, 2016 02:38 PM (RcpcZ)

The GOPe sucks and there is no doubt about that. But there are enough principled conservatives to make noise and enough R's who were scared to lose their jobs to make up the difference and stop Congressional action on this issue. And Cruz was chief among the principled conservatives who did what they said they would do about amnesty.

The GOPe leadership are freaking cowards and bastards for allowing Obama to do what they knew they could not get away with but at least Obama's actions can be reversed by the next President.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 23, 2016 02:50 PM (OrI3J)

589 >>>Consider also Belize, where it's like Costa Rica, but English is the national language.

Not only that, but when Honduras acts up, the British Government sends Gurkhas to defend your border.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 23, 2016 02:50 PM (bpn7O)

590 Cruz's position isn't really a flip-flop

***************

You really couldn't be-clown yourself more if you were wearing the face paint and bright red nose.

This is a sad parody.

Posted by: Vyce at February 23, 2016 02:57 PM (Xylma)

591 We mobilized more than 12 Million GIs and billions of tons of War Materials in the 3.5 years it took us to whip the Nazis and Japanese. Are we to believe our transportation systems are less efficient and capable now?

Posted by: setnaffa at February 23, 2016 03:00 PM (BtRXi)

592 Good advice. So please, everyone, do like I do and don't be crude, unvarnished tools.

Posted by: Soona at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (Fmupd)
_________________________________________________Will do...in fact, I'm doin' that now.....rubbin' some oil on my unvarnished tool to keep the wood from gettin' soft. ummm hummmm.

Posted by: Anthony's Weiner Polisher at February 23, 2016 03:14 PM (aRUb8)

593 545
491

I hate fucking gorillas on horseback.

Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2016 01:58 PM (91LL3)

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They look kinda sexy when it's misty and they're bouncing a little.

Posted by: Dian Fossey at February 23, 2016 03:17 PM (aRUb8)

594 591 Shhh. Just because we have 94 million unemployed is no reason to start bringing up history!!!

Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 23, 2016 03:18 PM (EioIi)

595
Have some of them been here so long that they essentially have no ties to their home country?

Given the amount of money being sent back home to Mexico - something on the order of $24 BILLION - they have all kinds of ties.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at February 23, 2016 03:18 PM (1hM1d)

596 go outside to break wind.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 23, 2016 02:21 PM (dnQ1L)
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Wasn't that a Donovan song?

Posted by: Gypsy Dave at February 23, 2016 03:20 PM (aRUb8)

597 That alone suggests that Trump is the right
candidate. We aren't going to get smaller gov't or less spending or
roll-back of Obama's gains under the current crop of GOP congressman and
Senators. the best we can hope for is to stop amnesty and secure the
border.

Let's start there.

Posted by: Golden at February 23, 2016 02:26 PM (3ZtZW)

First, I am not settling for that.
Second, Trump is all over the place on illegals already here but most of his answers include either letting them stay (in whole or in "good" part OR making them leave to touch home plate and then letting them back in. Your guy benefits from the labor of illegals and has no reason to actually send them home and make them stay gone.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 23, 2016 03:25 PM (OrI3J)

598 Given the amount of money being sent back home to Mexico - something on the order of $24 BILLION - they have all kinds of ties.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at February 23, 2016 03:18 PM (1hM1d)

Heck, they are the third biggest component of Mexican GDP.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 23, 2016 03:26 PM (OrI3J)

599 Both Truman and Eisenhower deported large numbers of illegal Mexicans. They both wanted to make jobs available for returning veterans. It could be repeated. It is indeed possible. If they didn't come from Veracruz they had a long walk home. The Mexican government did not give them taxi fare.

Posted by: burt at February 23, 2016 03:37 PM (r1CBK)

600 Great, then what's the problem?

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 02:13 PM (gmeXX)

You tell me. You are the one whining about it.

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I don't want it imposed over every employer as a law. If a Company wants to use it, then so be it. Kind of like if a Company wants to give its employees health insurance, so be it. What I oppose is forcing a Company to use the system - a system which I frankly see little benefit in and only negatives.

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 03:55 PM (gmeXX)

601 black armor clad deportation squads?
Remember Clinton with Elian Gonzalez?

Posted by: hudaybiyah - trust me at February 23, 2016 04:20 PM (HgTBl)

602 I don't want it imposed over every employer as a
law. If a Company wants to use it, then so be it. Kind of like if a
Company wants to give its employees health insurance, so be it. What I
oppose is forcing a Company to use the system - a system which I frankly
see little benefit in and only negatives.

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2016 03:55 PM (gmeXX)
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That doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: David Byrne at February 23, 2016 04:40 PM (aRUb8)

603 First, I am not settling for that.
Second, Trump
is all over the place on illegals already here but most of his answers
include either letting them stay (in whole or in "good" part OR making
them leave to touch home plate and then letting them back in. Your guy
benefits from the labor of illegals and has no reason to actually send
them home and make them stay gone.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 23, 2016 03:25 PM (OrI3J)[
As far as settling, you have little choice. Do you think Rubio or Cruz are going to get the GOP congress to control spending? Reduce the debt? Reduce the size of gov't? All actual observable evidence points to the opposite happening.Both Rubio and Cruz were in favor of full-on amnesty prior to Trump forcing them rightward. So, I'm doubting either one of them will stick with "no amnesty".If we have an amnesty, it will lead inexorably to citizenship for many of the illegals. Texas will become purple if not blue. some Purple states will become dark blue. Some red states will become purple. Try getting anything conservative done then. We won't be able to get a majority of even liberal republicans in the Senate, let alone win the WH for decades.So, for conservatism to have any future in the U.S., we have to stop amnesty.
As far as this claim of "touch back" - I think you know that is nonsense. Trump centered his entire campaign on illegal immigration. He's not perfect by any means. I don't believe he is conservative. But, I'll trust the guy who centered his campaign on the issue over the guys who grudgingly moved to his position (in English) because they were forced to.At the end of the day, we aren't getting conservatism from the GOP any time in the near future. Even if Cruz is as conservative as he claims (his past makes that questionable), he won't get the current GOP senators and congressman to behave any differently than they have for decades.
So yeah, let's start with stopping amnesty and then try to get conservative results. Otherwise, we'll end up with nothing now AND nothing later.

Posted by: Golden at February 23, 2016 04:59 PM (3ZtZW)

604 One thing to add to self-deportation and actual deportation: the costs of any illegals (welfare, medical care, etc.) will be taken out of any aid programs normally given to the illegals' home country and paid back to the agency providing the assistance to the illegals, dollar for dollar...

Posted by: Sue at February 23, 2016 06:03 PM (Hm5Ti)

605 Ace: "It's kind of a scary thing to do."

Maybe once upon a time long, long ago.

It's not scary anymore. In fact, it has become trivial.

Those who trespass now know that the powers-that-be will grant to them special protections to keep them here against the law. The risk is essentially the physical traversing of the land/water before the border and surviving the human traffickers who will exploit them. Otherwise, it has never been easier and less risky to enter another sovereign state.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 23, 2016 06:12 PM (1CroS)

606 The issue is no longer the size of Trumps ego or lack of humility. With both Cruz and Rubio pulling in the 20% area neither of them is going to back down. For Rubio the establishment machine won't let him. For Cruz his loathing for the Republican establishment won't let him.

Posted by: Joe Martin Jr. at February 23, 2016 09:12 PM (v4K82)

607 E-Verify, while better than nothing, doesn't really do a lot. All it really checks is to see if the SSN has been reported stolen or abused. The other checks (DHS/DoS) just check to see if that number has been encountered by the US G previously. I keep hearing how it's the best thing evar! but it's misleading.

If a person really wanted to deport 11+ million illegals (does anyone believe that # anymore?) then just start deporting people. Once the word gets out the free lunch/exception period is over people will go home.

Posted by: BaronvonRamjet at February 23, 2016 10:31 PM (AU5zP)

608 I'm worried they will be labelled as GRINGOS when we return them and will need millions of social workers to help them with Micro burritos aggresiones and the cost of Schools for Spangish por ninos as a secondo language could be a deal breaker.....

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