Polls Closing in South Carolina; Trump Declared Winner, Battle Between Rubio and Cruz for Second

Follow the results as they come in at Decision Desk, if you like.

Fox News says late-breakers are breaking for Cruz and Rubio. Some are speculating that while Trump might win, it might be a lot closer than previously predicted.

I don't want to say I predicted that, but as a matter of fact, I predicted that. (DON'T COMMENT ON OLD POSTS, THE SYSTEM WILL BAN YOU!)

And I'm not one of those guys who has kept claiming "This will sink Trump," either.

I have no idea what will happen, personally. I'm worried that Trump's and Rubio's constant answer to Cruz's accurate claims about their records -- that Cruz is a "liar," though they never specify in what way he's lying -- might hurt him.

Fox News, which Mickey Kaus has pointed out "makes amnesty easy" for the GOP by never asking many questions about it, has been very careful about not asking Rubio about Cruz's accurate claim that he told Univision he wouldn't cancel DACA for some time -- continues not asking Rubio about this.

If they did ask about this, they'd find out Cruz was right, and in fact could have gone much further than he did.

Jake Tapper did ask Rubio about this. Rubio, get this, lied once again:

MARCO RUBIO: Univison has consistently reported that, right after that interview, that I said DACA has to go away. That is because it is unconstitutional, I opposed it when the president did it, I remain against it now, it can not be permanent policy, and I have said that repeatedly.

And even Univison who conducted the interview, said that the interview was about me saying that DACA had to go away.

So again, another example of [Cruz] misleading people.

Um, that's not all you said, buddy. Let's look at the Spanish and the English translation. "JR" is Jorge Ramos and "SMR" is Senator Marco Rubio.

I've bolded the key sentences in both Spanish and English. Accent marks and inverted question marks omitted, as they would become undefined characters on the comments page.

JR: Como usted sabe, a los Republicanos siempre les ha costado mucho trabajo conseguir el voto hispano. Y le queria hablar de temas muy concretos que afectan directamente a los hispanos. Quisiera empezar primero con el tema de la accion diferida y DACA. Si usted llegara a la Casa Blanca, usted mantendria el programa de DACA, es decir, De Accion Diferida para los Dreamers, y mantendria la accion ejecutiva del Presidente Barack Obama que beneficiaría más de cuatro millones de indocumentados?



SMR: Bueno, DACA va a tener que terminar en algun momento determinado. Yo no lo desharía inmediatamente. La razon es porque ya hay personas que tienen ese permiso, que estan trabajando, que estan estudiando, y no creo que sería justo cancelarlo de un momento al otro.

Pero si creo que va a tener que terminar. Y si Dios quiere va a terminar porque va a pasar una reforma migratoria.
DAPA todavia no esta en vigor, y pienso que ha impedido el progreso en lo que es la inmigracion, en la reforma migratoria. Y como ese programa no esta en vigor y ese sí lo cancelaria. Pero DACA, yo creo que es importante, no se puede cancelar de un momento al otro porque ya hay personas que estan beneficiando. Pero si va a tener que terminar. No puede ser la política permanente de Estados Unidos. Y no creo que eso sea lo que estan pidiendo tampoco. Yo creo que todos prefieren una reforma migratoria.

Let's look at the translation. And no, Spinners, this isn't a "mistranslation." This is Univision's own translation, and they know Spanish pretty well. I've also gone through the key language myself.


JR: As you know, it has always been hard for Republicans to get the Hispanic vote. I wanted to talk with you about very concrete issues that affect Hispanics directly. I would like to start with the issue of deferred action and DACA. If you made it to the White House, would you keep the DACA program; that is, Deferred Action for the Dreamers, and would you keep President Barack Obama's executive action, which would benefit more than four million undocumented people?



SMR: Well, DACA is going to have to end at some point. I wouldn't undo it
immediately. The reason is that there are already people who have that permission, who are working, who are studying, and I don't think it would be fair to cancel it suddenly.

But I do think it is going to have to end. And, God willing, it's going to end because immigration reform is going to pass. DAPA hasn’t yet taken effect, and I think it has impeded progress on immigration, on immigration reform. And since that program hasn’t taken effect yet, I would cancel it. But DACA, I think it is important; it can't be cancelled suddenly because there are already people who are benefiting from it. But it is going to have to end. It cannot be the permanent policy of the United States. And I don't think that's what they’re asking for, either. I think that everyone prefers immigration reform.

So yes, he says it is going to have to end at some point -- that's the soundbite he makes sure English-speakers hear -- but he doesn't tell you he also said he would not terminate it right away because people are already "benefiting" from it and he "do[esn't] think it would be fair" to take it from them. Then he says, the reason it will go away is because it will be replaced by comprehensive immigration reform, that is, a legislative amnesty instead of an executive-order one.

Si Dio quieres. If God wants/God Willing.

So yeah, Rubio says one thing for English speaking Republicans, but says something different for Spanish speakers.

In English, he only talks about border security and DACA "ending." In Spanish, he says it will have to end at some point to be determined, and also says that won't matter much anyway, because we'll have a permanent legislative amnesty in place by then. (He also speaks of it ending in the third person -- he won't end it. It will just "end" itself, somehow. If we're doing a close parsing.)

That's not a "lie" by Cruz, nor is it, as some would claim, a "mistranslation." Anyone who wishes to claim this is a mistranslation -- point to the words or phrases you dispute, and we can go through them with a dictionary. As I said, I'm learning Spanish this weekend, so that's a fun time for me. (Seriously, it is.)

But anyway, Rubio gets to shout that Cruz is "lying" about what he said and no one challenges it. I'm not sure if no one at Fox speaks Spanish, or if Fox is just deliberately shilling for their amnesty golden-boy.

So that's why I think Cruz could lose: Trump is saying Cruz "lies" when he says Trump previously supported even partial birth abortion (!!!) as he did, and is on tape saying so, and Rubio is saying Cruz "lies' when he accurately quotes his Univision interview, even though that's on tape too.

But the Establishment has an interest in eliminating Cruz so that it's just Trump and Rubio ( a contest they then plan to win, thus getting their establishment amnesty candidate nominated), so it's not worth pointing out that every charge Cruz made was true.

Anyway, I do fear that. I do see the power of the Establishment juggernaut.

It's not just what they report, or what questions they ask. It's more what they won't report, and what questions Chris Wallace deliberately avoids.

We'll see if my fears as usual come to pass.

The "Mistranslation." When you hear people claiming mistranslation, keep in mind they base this claimed "mistranslation" on this single word:

Pero DACA, yo creo que es importante, no se puede cancelar de un momento al otro porque ya hay personas que estan beneficiando.

In English, that's "But DACA, I believe it's important, it is not possible to cancel it immediately because there are already persons benefiting from it."

The claimed "mistranslation" is that some take "important" to refer to DACA, whereas Rubio's spinners say it should refer to "there are people already benefiting from it."

I would suggest that 1, the difference between these two possible translations is so slight as to be hallucinatory, and 2, this isn't an error in translation anyway, but simply one of logic and parsing, as this ambiguity exists in both Spanish and English, and has nothing to do with some sort of an imaginary nuance of the Spanish language itself, and most importante, 3, this one minor quibble over what "importante" refers to in this one sentence does not render everything else a "mistranslation."

But that's how this claim is being deployed -- bring up any of Rubio's Univision appearances (where he frequently talked about amnesty in a different way than he did on, say, Mark Levin), and Rubio's spinners cry "mistranslation," all regarding this one insignificant quibble over what importante refers to.

I would humbly suggest No es muy importante.

Posted by: Ace at 07:39 PM




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1 5th

Posted by: Skip at February 20, 2016 07:38 PM (l+OuH)

2 A ace on Ace

Posted by: Skip the ace at February 20, 2016 07:39 PM (l+OuH)

3 I'll go get the others

Posted by: Skip the ace at February 20, 2016 07:40 PM (l+OuH)

4 Ace to the barrel. Ace please go to the white courtesy barrel.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 20, 2016 07:40 PM (iHjB5)

5 They were calling Cruz a Liar & people are stupid!

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 07:40 PM (sj3Ax)

6 Strong wind!

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 20, 2016 07:40 PM (/ciMI)

7 Bold I-talicans!

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 07:40 PM (3R7s0)

8 Bold and italics. I kind of like the look.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 20, 2016 07:40 PM (iHjB5)

9 So Rubio is a little Arafat. Who would have guessed.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 20, 2016 07:41 PM (T78UI)

10 Pleased to meet you.

Hope you guessed my name.

Posted by: Barrel at February 20, 2016 07:41 PM (3R7s0)

11 I answered a ? On Twitter a few months ago. People wanted to know when Ryan as up for reelection!

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 07:41 PM (sj3Ax)

12 Boldly slanted where no man has gone before!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 07:42 PM (afR/C)

13 Trump's the confirmed winner with Cruz and Rubio neck and neck.

Posted by: stace at February 20, 2016 07:42 PM (ozZau)

14 So Trump wins.... Big surprise.... I wish We could have a do over of Candidates... I can't get excited about any of them...

Posted by: donna at February 20, 2016 07:42 PM (/dSsq)

15 Bold assertions.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at February 20, 2016 07:42 PM (D0J8L)

16 Man it's just Barrels all the way down.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 20, 2016 07:42 PM (m+etm)

17 Cavuto said write in pre voting was very heavy.

Posted by: Skip the ace at February 20, 2016 07:43 PM (l+OuH)

18 Trump won.
Cruz running close with rubes is very disappointing. Alot of pressure will be on Cruz to drop out and support Trump.

Posted by: AuH2O at February 20, 2016 07:43 PM (DEJix)

19 6% of the votes are in & they call it?

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 07:43 PM (sj3Ax)

20 There go the italics; now what about the boldness?

Posted by: PabloD at February 20, 2016 07:43 PM (c9t4Y)

21 testing close tags

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 07:43 PM (afR/C)

22 I think getting banned on an old thread might be better than this.

Posted by: Tami at February 20, 2016 07:44 PM (v0/PR)

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Yada, yada, yada.... at February 20, 2016 07:44 PM (WVsWD)

24 So bold and slanty. I like it.

Posted by: Gem at February 20, 2016 07:44 PM (c+gwp)

25 ?

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 07:44 PM (3R7s0)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 20, 2016 07:44 PM (iHjB5)

27 What did you do Alberta?

bracket slash b thingy?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 20, 2016 07:44 PM (T78UI)

28 It's gonna Be really hard for Me to pull the lever for Trump......

Posted by: donna at February 20, 2016 07:44 PM (/dSsq)

29 You fixed it Alberta Oil!

Posted by: Tami at February 20, 2016 07:44 PM (v0/PR)

30 Fox calling for Trump.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 07:44 PM (9ym/8)

31 That is very bold of you, Ace.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo, we have no country at February 20, 2016 07:44 PM (1ijHg)

32 First ace bans himself, now he barrels himself!!!

Posted by: Blano at February 20, 2016 07:45 PM (heN73)

33 I blame the bold italicans.

Posted by: @votermom at February 20, 2016 07:45 PM (cbfNE)

34 Cruz won't support Trump.

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 07:45 PM (sj3Ax)

35 So, SMOD it is. This country is off the rails.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 07:45 PM (pUDQf)

36 I'm starting to get confused with All The Threads.

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2016 07:45 PM (sdi6R)

37 Dondi say DACA must end because HE WILL PASS AN ANMESTY.

I fail to see how this is reassuring.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 07:45 PM (rwI+c)

38 I'm getting a cramp in my neck from watching 2nd place volley back and forth between Cruz and Rubio

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2016 07:45 PM (8PbKi)

39 6% of the votes are in they call it?

--

I never understood that either, Carol.

Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun! at February 20, 2016 07:45 PM (pVkEV)

40 I was robbed! Now I'm disrobing for 8pm Matlock & nightey night.

Posted by: Bernie 2016 at February 20, 2016 07:45 PM (m0JA3)

41 Rubio v. Cruz


What the fuck is wrong with South Carolina....?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 07:45 PM (9ym/8)

42 Someone get Ace out of the barrel before he suffocates.

Posted by: PabloD at February 20, 2016 07:45 PM (c9t4Y)

43 Yep, Fox is calling it for Trump.
I hate these guys.
They'll only start questioning Rubio when it'll help someone they like better, like Hillary!
Everything right now is "STOP CRUZ"

Posted by: Iblis at February 20, 2016 07:45 PM (rP2JJ)

44 At what point in the races, if it keeps going Cruz second and Rubio third, does Cruz get some leverage to negotiate a deal with Rubio.

Like offer him ambassador to Cuba or something.

I mean at what point does Rubio do the math and say to himself "I can't win, so for the good of the party..."

I'm guessing the 13th of fornever.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 20, 2016 07:46 PM (m+etm)

45 Right, pressure the second place guy to drop out but not Rubio or Jeb!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 07:46 PM (pUDQf)

46 Alot of pressure will be on Cruz to drop out and support Trump.

Ridiculous.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 07:46 PM (rwI+c)

47 But remember, Trump is bad because he's going to lie to you.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2016 07:46 PM (Wckf4)

48 Is bold italics a step under a flaming skull?

Posted by: Skip the ace at February 20, 2016 07:46 PM (l+OuH)

49 I have a question. Has a news organization ever called a race really early on and ended up being wrong after everything was said and done?

Posted by: Serenity Now! at February 20, 2016 07:46 PM (gzjWr)

50 If Cruz was the genius he's made out to be he would have settled the citizenship issue long ago. Don't know if it mattered in SC but I highly doubt it's helping him.

Posted by: AuH2O at February 20, 2016 07:46 PM (DEJix)

51 "We'll see if my fears as usual come to pass."

I hope not, but I fear they will.

It reminds me of Obama at the saddleback thing in 08.

They brought up his votes to let born babies die in soild utility rooms instead of giving them medical care and Obama said "I don't want to say folks are lying, but folks are lying!"

Then the next day his campaign quietly admitted that actually, the claims against him were true but...it didn't matter.

All that mattered was that he said that people were lying about him and everyone believed that.

Posted by: Lauren at February 20, 2016 07:46 PM (3DIzJ)

52 (takes bow) I just put {/b}, {/i}, using square brackets, not the braces shown. I don't if it was me, or just fortuitous timing.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 07:46 PM (afR/C)

53 I gave up eating out for Lent. Nights like this, it's rough, when you just want to get some carry out and veg.

Gonna make a pizza w/ roasted chicken, pineapple, and caramelized onions. Mmmmmmm.

Posted by: TickledPink at February 20, 2016 07:47 PM (F5hTl)

54 Turnip takes it!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 20, 2016 07:47 PM (Nwg0u)

55 If Cruz was the genius he's made out to be he would have settled the citizenship issue long ago.

Ah, the uninformed heard from.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 07:47 PM (rwI+c)

56 But remember, Trump is bad because he's going to lie to you.

They're all going to lie for their own ends but Rubio has demonstrably lied to us.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2016 07:48 PM (6FqZa)

57 I mean at what point does Rubio do the math and say to himself "I can't win, so for the good of the party..."

Not gonna happen...... Unfortunately Rubio is more "electable" than Cruz in this F**ked up Country....Trump? Don't see it unless Hillary! is indicted....

Posted by: donna at February 20, 2016 07:48 PM (/dSsq)

58 49 I have a question. Has a news organization ever called a race really early on and ended up being wrong after everything was said and done?
Posted by: Serenity Now! at February 20, 2016 07:46 PM (gzjWr)

--Florida in 2000.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 07:48 PM (3R7s0)

59
Richard Grenell*

If Rubio beats Cruz in South Carolina, Rubio will win the nomination - he will begin to garner all the non-Trump vote over time.

*fox news contributor



Second is the new First!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 07:48 PM (kdS6q)

60 44
They seem to, as Ace said earlier, be playing a "We need one establishment peep to outlast everyone but Trump."

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 20, 2016 07:48 PM (iHjB5)

61 Bets on which mariobot shows up first to dispute what ace wrote. I place 2:1 odds on Petunia or Vyce.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2016 07:48 PM (zt+N6)

62 I'm revising my earlier prediction.

38% Trump / 20% Cruz / 20% Rubio

Becomes:

36% Trump / 21% Rubio / 21% Cruz

*chuckles*

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 20, 2016 07:48 PM (QivCb)

63 Interesting that the bottom three, Bush, Kasich, and Carson, together have more votes than Rubio or Cruz.

When (not if) those three drop out, the dynamic will likely change dramatically.

Trump has about 30%, and he's probably not going to end up with much more than that. That leaves plenty of "juice" for either Cruz or Rubio to come out on top, still.

Posted by: looking closely at February 20, 2016 07:48 PM (hoiM7)

64 "Alot of pressure will be on Cruz to drop out and support Trump.

Ridiculous."


Agree. Run Jeb and Catsick and Mario out of the race. Trump vs. Cruz. Let's do this.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 07:48 PM (9ym/8)

65 No matter how bad this gets, just look at Jeb's numbers if you need a bright spot.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2016 07:49 PM (Wckf4)

66 (takes bow) I just put {/b}, {/i}, using square brackets, not the braces shown. I don't if it was me, or just fortuitous timing.

Timing. I did the same to no effect. When the Ewok is barrel-bound, none of the Horde can stop it.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at February 20, 2016 07:49 PM (D0J8L)

67 I'm sick of this open primary horseshit.

Posted by: Sardiver at February 20, 2016 07:49 PM (o9ahq)

68 49 I have a question. Has a news organization ever called a race really early on and ended up being wrong after everything was said and done?
Posted by: Serenity Now! at February 20, 2016 07:46 PM (gzjWr)

So youre too young to remember Bush/Kerry?

Posted by: TexasDan at February 20, 2016 07:49 PM (m+etm)

69 @63: "Trump has about 30%, and he's probably not going to end up with much more than that. That leaves plenty of "juice" for either Cruz or Rubio to come out on top, still."

Keep telling yourself that, boyo.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 20, 2016 07:49 PM (QivCb)

70 Not giving in, but Code Pink candidate's are winning in both parties

Posted by: Skip the ace at February 20, 2016 07:49 PM (l+OuH)

71 I'm calling for more beer.

Posted by: Alfrud Wreckmaker at February 20, 2016 07:49 PM (I5ZFX)

72 DD now showing Cruz back in 2nd, but that will probably change by the time I finish typing this.

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2016 07:49 PM (sdi6R)

73 Here's what will happen regardless of if Rubio comes in 2nd or 3rd.

The GOPe is going to tell Kaisch and Bush to get out so that the establishment wing can rally around Rubio.

Carson? I don't know. I hope he'll get out but who knows.

That leaves Cruz needing to pull off more support from Trump and get Carson's voters vs Rubio getting Kaisch and Bush.

We'll see.

Interesting times.

Posted by: Lauren at February 20, 2016 07:49 PM (3DIzJ)

74 Rubio will never drop out. He's betting on a brokered convention. He's the rube.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 07:50 PM (pUDQf)

75 If Cruz was the genius he's made out to be he would have settled the
citizenship issue long ago.
===
Nobody cares.


Posted by: looking closely at February 20, 2016 07:50 PM (hoiM7)

76 58 49 I have a question. Has a news organization ever called a race really early on and ended up being wrong after everything was said and done?
Posted by: Serenity Now! at February 20, 2016 07:46 PM (gzjWr)

--Florida in 2000.
Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 07:48 PM (3R7s0)

And the classic "Dewey defeats Truman!"

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 20, 2016 07:50 PM (iHjB5)

77 I foresee writing in Zombie Fred Thompson in the general.

Sigh.

SMOD, where art thou?

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at February 20, 2016 07:50 PM (KkVB6)

78
andrew kaczynski

First look at Trump after Jeb's big loss

[pic]

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/status/701206356905345024

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 07:50 PM (kdS6q)

79 As the ICE guy said this morning, Rube is a back stabbing, lying, SOB.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 20, 2016 07:50 PM (t2KH5)

80 >>I mean at what point does Rubio do the math and say to himself "I can't win, so for the good of the party..."

He's not getting out until Bush, Carson and Kasich drop out as long as he stays close. Those votes have to go somewhere and a good percentage would seem likely for Rubio.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 20, 2016 07:50 PM (/tuJf)

81 Ahhh...this is gonna be YUUGE, really YUUGE!

Shaping up into a race between Evil Abuela Borracha and the Solid-Gold Dumpster Fire.

Me, I'll vote for Trump with a clear conscience.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at February 20, 2016 07:51 PM (lutOX)

82 I made a small contribution to Cruz not long ago.

That means he is totally f***ed. Always is the case.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 20, 2016 07:51 PM (CWvyb)

83 Lady in Black,
I understand your problem w/Graham. I had it with Ted Kennedy & Kerry here. I voted for myself or a competitor if they had one.

Now I have two new idiots.

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 07:51 PM (sj3Ax)

84 Whoa. All of a sudden Cruz is way up over Rub? And closing on Trump. Why was this race already called again?

Posted by: schlonger at February 20, 2016 07:51 PM (7vTEZ)

85 Trump with 30 some percent leaves almost 70 % against

Posted by: Skip the ace at February 20, 2016 07:51 PM (l+OuH)

86 Trump wins moderate / establishment NH. Now wins legit red state of SC. Next up Nevada caucuses with a some what significant Hispanic electorate with polls showing a big lead for Trump.

Posted by: AuH2O at February 20, 2016 07:51 PM (DEJix)

87 I read it in Spainish and the translation seems accurate to me.

In regard to Rubio and Trump and Clinton they think because they throw in a qualifier that it gives them an out and that you are not allowed to bring up the content of the rest of their statements.

Trump is pissed because he thinks because he said he hates partial birth abortion that protects him from the rest of his statement where he said he would support the right of a woman to obtain a partial birth abortion.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 20, 2016 07:52 PM (MNgU2)

88 Why is it that only the US and no other country in the Western Hemisphere is expected to open it's borders with little or no conditions. If you wanted to emigrate to practically any other country in the Americas, you would have to prove that you had at least $2k coming from OUTSIDE the country. You may or may not be able to buy real estate and most certainly could not participate in the internal politics. Mexico would raise a big stink if we copied their Immigration laws!
We are the Chumps of the Americas.

Posted by: GasperGoo at February 20, 2016 07:52 PM (8N2JI)

89 Nobody drops out until after March 1.



Posted by: Grampa Jimbo, we have no country at February 20, 2016 07:52 PM (1ijHg)

90 53. MILITARIZED THUG HAWAIIAN PIZZA!!!!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 20, 2016 07:52 PM (fbBPX)

91 50 If Cruz was the genius he's made out to be he would have settled the citizenship issue long ago. Don't know if it mattered in SC but I highly doubt it's helping him.
Posted by: AuH2O at February 20, 2016 07:46 PM (DEJix)


He IS eligible. The issue is Trump and other assorted vermin who keep smearing him and obfuscating their own miserable records and statements.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2016 07:52 PM (zLP1L)

92 #72.
Winner is Trump, and its a winner take all state.

Still too early to call #2 for Cruz or Rubio, and it really doesn't matter. Neither one will drop out yet, and with fractions of a point between them, neither is a clear "favorite" as "non-Trump".

This fight will drag on.

Posted by: looking closely at February 20, 2016 07:52 PM (hoiM7)

93 DD shows a good deal of the low country still out. I'm fearing Rubio will do well there.

Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun! at February 20, 2016 07:52 PM (pVkEV)

94 I'm writing in DeadPool if Trumpster fire wins.

Great movie, btw.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 07:52 PM (pUDQf)

95 Trump with 30 some percent leaves almost 70 % against

And the rest of the votes are being split between some also rans... When some of them drop out things will change... Which way I don't know...

Posted by: donna at February 20, 2016 07:52 PM (/dSsq)

96 Gonna be interesting if Trump keeps winning, Cruz and Mario close for 2/3, and GOPe forces a brokered convention to install Mario.

Posted by: davidt at February 20, 2016 07:52 PM (8aOqE)

97 I was robbed! Now I'm disrobing for 8pm Matlock & nightey night.

Posted by: Bernie 2016 at February 20, 2016 07:45 PM (m0JA3)


Maybe you should go with Diagnosis Murder.



Dick Van Dyke Serenades Chris Matthews, Touts Support for 'New Deal Democrat' Bernie Sanders

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 20, 2016 07:52 PM (45oDG)

98 ***"Unfortunately Rubio is more "electable" than Cruz in this F**ked up Country."***


Evidence please.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2016 07:53 PM (Wckf4)

99 19
6% of the votes are in they call it?



Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 07:43 PM (sj3Ax)

They called it at 1%

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 20, 2016 07:53 PM (t2KH5)

100 The DD is spastic....

Posted by: Tami at February 20, 2016 07:53 PM (v0/PR)

101 Are you saying Mario is still lying about Amnesty?

Es verdad! Es Verdad!

Posted by: Madelina JokoKahn at February 20, 2016 07:53 PM (DL2i+)

102 Chris Matthews would support a Trump / Kasich ticket.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 20, 2016 07:53 PM (QivCb)

103 Nobody cares.




Posted by: looking closely at February 20, 2016 07:50 PM (hoiM7)


Now THAT about sums it up.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 20, 2016 07:53 PM (T78UI)

104
Looking at the DD map, it turns out that South Carolina was laid out using the Public Land Survey System.

I didn't know that.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 20, 2016 07:54 PM (RcpcZ)

105 It's really awesome that Trump's path to nomination with pretty steady mid 30s support is guaranteed by the breadth of the field and the likely unwillingness of losing candidates to admit defeat with any degree of gracefulness or sense of timing.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 20, 2016 07:54 PM (m+etm)

106 Meet the new media, same as the old media.

Posted by: Boone at February 20, 2016 07:54 PM (vq6QR)

107
84 Whoa. All of a sudden Cruz is way up over Rub? And closing on Trump. Why was this race already called again?

Posted by: schlonger at February 20, 2016 07:51 PM (7vTEZ)



Brandon has explained this before. That there are certain counties/districts you can look at that are a very reliable indicator for the final results. So if they have a particular trend you can call it early.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2016 07:54 PM (zt+N6)

108 Regarding that sidebar thing about Twitter. Seriously, some coder needs to build a Website that helps users create throwaway Twatter and Assbook accounts. Use once, and burn them.


So when some evil fymynyst commie scrunt posts her bullshit on either platform, you can grab a burner account, and post back, "Shut up, you evil, diseased, c***." Sure, it will get trashed, and the burner account blocked, but if enough people began doing this, it would demand too much time from the hall monitors, and spoil the echo-chamber effect for the fucktards.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 07:54 PM (afR/C)

109 Frankly, I'm pissed that half the party doesn't realize what a heavy metal death-knell amnesty would be. I've talked to many of them. They really do stupidly believe that supporting amnesty will be an electoral magic-wand that will instantly turn the big-government-loving Latino population into a population of burgeoning Edmund Burkes just itching to pull the lever for Republicans. Ain't gonna happen.

Either the GOP will end mass immigration from the third-world or mass immigration from the third-world will end the GOP. Full stop. Oh and Rubio supporters, kindly remove your head from your ass.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at February 20, 2016 07:54 PM (8xieD)

110 What the hell is that graphic at the DD? It looks like a video game from 1993.

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2016 07:54 PM (sdi6R)

111 Exits on Fox. Trump walked.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 07:54 PM (9ym/8)

112 Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 20, 2016 07:51 PM (CWvyb)


I'm in the same boat. I should just buy a bottle of scotch instead.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 07:54 PM (pUDQf)

113 Guys...Rubio was never running for president and still isn't
He's running for vice-president

He knows damn well if he gets out most of his voters go to Cruz and he burned that bridge

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 20, 2016 07:54 PM (fbBPX)

114
Colin Campbell

CNN chyron right now: "SOURCE: RUBIO CAMP SAYS THIRD PLACE WOULD BE A 'VICTORY'"



Third is the new First!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 07:55 PM (kdS6q)

115 I'll just leave this here:

Trump won every demographic in SC according to CNN exit polls.

Posted by: Stay out da Bushes at February 20, 2016 07:55 PM (rZJS9)

116 "They really do stupidly believe that supporting amnesty will be an electoral magic-wand that will instantly turn the big-government-loving Latino population into a population of burgeoning Edmund Burkes just itching to pull the lever for Republicans. Ain't gonna happen. "

These are the same people who thought they could bring democracy to the islamic world.

Posted by: Lauren at February 20, 2016 07:55 PM (3DIzJ)

117 --Florida in 2000.
Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 07:48 PM (3R7s0)

>>>

Yeah, I probably should've said except for Florida in 2000. But they didn't call that for Gore as soon as the polls closed there. I think they called it for Gore after a few hours, then called it for Bush, then moved it to too close to call. Should've have worded my question better.

>>>

So youre too young to remember Bush/Kerry?

Posted by: TexasDan at February 20, 2016 07:49 PM (m+etm)

>>>

I am on the young side but I do remember Bush/Kerry pretty well. I don't recall them calling a state for either candidate as soon as polls closed there and then later calling it for the other candidate later on. The only think I remember was the Dems believing Bush stole Ohio from Kerry.

Posted by: Serenity Now! at February 20, 2016 07:56 PM (gzjWr)

118 "Cruz and Mario close for 2/3, and GOPe forces a brokered convention to install Mario."


War.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 07:56 PM (9ym/8)

119 if they kill Cruz

I WILL vote for Trump

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 07:56 PM (zOTsN)

120 In 2008 the primaries elevated the least likable candidate to the Republican nomination.

In 2012 the primaries elevated the least likable candidate to the Republican nomination.

By 2020, they should just nominate Martin Shkreli.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 20, 2016 07:56 PM (J+n2j)

121 All those black diamonds mean AoSHQ is for experts only.

Posted by: eleven at February 20, 2016 07:56 PM (qUNWi)

122 If GOPe does the smokefilled room thing, they would be stupid to pick Rubio. His brand is going to be toxic by then.

Who's a good dark-horse acceptable to the GOPe who hasn't been as vocally stupid as Rubio? Governor Walker would be my guess.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2016 07:56 PM (6FqZa)

123 Ace, speaking of how condescending the bastards can be to Trump supporters, go check out Olivia Nuzzi's twitter feed.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2016 07:56 PM (8PbKi)

124 Who's a good dark-horse acceptable to the GOPe who hasn't been as vocally stupid as Rubio? Governor Walker would be my guess.

If only....

Posted by: donna at February 20, 2016 07:57 PM (/dSsq)

125 Fuck this has become an election of which stripper loves me the most.

They all suck and will not do what we want. So the choice is all about glitter and scars.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 07:57 PM (r6bSH)

126 Trump. A guy in favor of required single payer government paid health insurance. Abortion. Tariffs.

He's getting elected in a GOP primary by attracting Democrats I guess.

Posted by: MTF at February 20, 2016 07:58 PM (TxJGV)

127 Deadpool time.

Catch y'all on the ONT

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at February 20, 2016 07:58 PM (vS4Um)

128 If I could choose a Candidate it would be Clint Eastwood...

Posted by: donna at February 20, 2016 07:58 PM (/dSsq)

129 I'd rather Bernie win than Trump. If it's gotta burn, then might as well use jet fuel, not just gas.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 07:58 PM (pUDQf)

130 I still think it's gonna be Trump / Rubio in the end, but only if Rubio doesn't go full bloodsport in the next six weeks, and attack Trump in any meaningful way.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 20, 2016 07:58 PM (QivCb)

131 [iGonna be interesting if Trump keeps winning, Cruz and Mario close for 2/3, and GOPe forces a brokered convention to install Mario.

Posted by: davidt

Why wouldn't they just knight !Jebe! ?

If they're going to go establishment, they're going balls to the Wall. 'Sides, !Jebe! identifies as 'hispanic.'

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2016 07:58 PM (AA6QE)

132 It's statistics. You do exit polls. But you can't be sure, they could be wrong because of selection issues and all that. So, you sit on them and start looking at the "bellweather" precincts. If they agree with your exit polls, you're good.

You do a (legitimate, as best you can) confidence interval. I think I remember Mike Barone (who knows every congressional district in the country by heart) saying FOX's decision desk was using a 99% confidence model before they would call it.

Don't know if that's still it, but that means your math tell you there is 99% probability you projections are accurate based on your sampling, which is exits + bellweathers together.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 07:58 PM (dvuhZ)

133 These are the same people who thought they could bring democracy to the islamic world.

Like I did in 2002. I started learning Arabic and, like, maybe trying to give the Qur'an a read, in '03. Funny how long it took some of us :^/

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2016 07:58 PM (6FqZa)

134 When Bush and Kasich drop out, their voters will probably go to Rubio, which will make him competitive with Trump, if not the outright front-runner.


If it's Rubio-Clinton or Rubio-Sanders in the general, I'll write in my cat's name. Fuck this shit.

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2016 07:58 PM (sdi6R)

135
110 What the hell is that graphic at the DD? It looks like a video game from 1993.

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2016 07:54 PM (sdi6R)


I've been telling them for years that they need better base maps. But will they listen? No.

I cringe at maps that look like shit.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 20, 2016 07:58 PM (RcpcZ)

136 >>Trump won every demographic in SC according to CNN exit polls.

Not unless he took more than 51% of any of them. Did he?

IE, bottom four "also rans" have nearly as much together as Trump does.

Posted by: looking closely at February 20, 2016 07:58 PM (hoiM7)

137 >>>All those black diamonds mean AoSHQ is for experts only.

damn things are proliferating like bacteria!! I can't get rid of them all!

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2016 07:58 PM (dciA+)

138 11% in and Trump is firmly in the lead. Cruz in second 1% over Rube but that's 1,000 votes above him.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 20, 2016 07:58 PM (t2KH5)

139 "They really do stupidly believe that supporting amnesty will be an electoral magic-wand that will instantly turn the big-government-loving Latino population into a population of burgeoning Edmund Burkes just itching to pull the lever for Republicans. Ain't gonna happen. "

These are the same people who thought they could bring democracy to the islamic world.
Posted by: Lauren at February 20, 2016 07:55 PM (3DIzJ)

Yeah I don't think that is a good comparison. 2 seperate animals.

What upsets me about tonights results is rubio coming in ahead of Cruz. For some reason Cruz is NOT catching on

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2016 07:59 PM (tZBrS)

140 I want to see the final numbers tomorrow, was watching WWZ but not a fast zombie fan

Posted by: Skip the ace at February 20, 2016 07:59 PM (l+OuH)

141 Okay, will post this again here. :-)

*****

Rubio's SC concession speech:

"I can't believe I lost!"
"I can't believe I lost!"
"I can't believe I lost!"

:-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 20, 2016 07:59 PM (ntObR)

142 If Rubio does finish second in SC, I would look for Trump to open a medieval can of whip-ass on him.

Posted by: Stay out da Bushes at February 20, 2016 08:00 PM (rZJS9)

143 They all suck and will not do what we want. So the choice is all about glitter and scars.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 07:57 PM (r6bSH)


I'll settle for a stripper who sucks; she doesn't have to love me.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 08:00 PM (afR/C)

144 " 2 seperate animals. "

But both based on a flawed understanding of human nature.

Posted by: Lauren at February 20, 2016 08:00 PM (0C2f1)

145 Chris Matthews' dream ticket is Gordon's Gin / vermouth. He hasn't had anything useful to add in sixteen years.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2016 08:01 PM (6FqZa)

146 Rubio comes in second by -001% and they are going to scream its the bestest greatest biggest victory ever in the history of time

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:01 PM (zOTsN)

147 Per Fox, maybe some GOP panic.



Heh. Hahaha. Hahahahahaha........

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 08:01 PM (9ym/8)

148
Charles C. W. Cooke*

Rubio and Cruz could come third and be fine. Long way to go.

*Fop



Second and Third are the new First!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 08:01 PM (kdS6q)

149 If Jeb Bush or Mario were winning the primaries with 30% with a "Field split with also rans" we would be getting told that its over and to fall in line behind them.

Fuck Rubio's not even winning and we're being told to fall in line.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2016 08:01 PM (zt+N6)

150 IF Rubio wins, the Old Boys will treat him like the man child he is..... Go stand in the corner and rubber stamp some of this 10,000 page gibberish BS about amnesty, import/export, yada yada yada.

In other words, the GOP version of Obama

Posted by: schlonger at February 20, 2016 08:02 PM (7vTEZ)

151 Trump, while he may have his faults, does resonate with the down trodden, the unemployed, the passed over and the ignored and forgotten.

Kinda like Mussolini "light" without all the uniforms, castor oil and a march on Rome.

Now I have to go take a Jeb! and wipe my Rubio.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 20, 2016 08:02 PM (ej1L0)

152 Would like to know what % of trump voters were even republicans. This is why I hate the SC open primary format. Dems can vote in this. I think Trump and Rubes would be much lower without Dems and libs voting for them. You know Cruz won't get those votes.

Posted by: Kevin at February 20, 2016 08:02 PM (hZc9U)

153
136 >>Trump won every demographic in SC according to CNN exit polls.

Not unless he took more than 51% of any of them. Did he?

IE, bottom four "also rans" have nearly as much together as Trump does.

Posted by: looking closely at February 20, 2016 07:58 PM (hoiM7)


A plurality is a win. Please don't be a dumbass.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 20, 2016 08:02 PM (RcpcZ)

154
If it's Rubio-Clinton or Rubio-Sanders in the general, I'll write in my cat's name. Fuck this shit.

What's your cats name ?

Backup.plan and all.

Posted by: jsg at February 20, 2016 08:02 PM (cpqBZ)

155 I'll settle for a stripper who sucks; she doesn't have to love me.>>>

Poor choice of words when using suck and stripper. The will not do what we want. Was the important part.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 08:02 PM (r6bSH)

156 >>>Ace, speaking of how condescending the bastards can be to Trump supporters, go check out Olivia Nuzzi's twitter feed.

the worst brow is not high brow, nor lowbrow. The worst brow is middlebrow, or "midcult" as it's sometimes called.

The midcult people, the people who aren't terribly smart but are proud of being not stupid, are really annoying in their sneering down everyone else.

The Rubio people tend to be pretty midcult.

Sorry, i said it. There it is.

Rubio is the candidate of the middle, championed by mediocre minds.




Posted by: ace at February 20, 2016 08:02 PM (dciA+)

157 For some reason Cruz is NOT catching on

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2016 07:59 PM (tZBrS)

I'm a Cruz supporter, but I have to say he's kind of screwed himself with some sleazy moves.

Posted by: Ololiuqui at February 20, 2016 08:02 PM (s6/4z)

158 These are the same people who thought they could bring democracy to the islamic world.

Posted by: Lauren at February 20, 2016 07:55 PM (3DIzJ)

-----------------------

These are the same people who thought they could win a war by hog-tying the military abroad and lecturing civilians at home that Islam is a religion of peace.

Posted by: iforgot at February 20, 2016 08:03 PM (YOxw1)

159 But I mean for Rubio it's not some political gamesmanship thing. He doesn't support amnesty because he thinks it will get the GOP voters, he supports amnesty because of deeply personal reasons.

Posted by: Lauren at February 20, 2016 08:03 PM (0C2f1)

160 What I want to know is, what's with this weird detente between Trump and Rubio? It can't be because Trump doesn't see Rubio as a threat because that has never stopped Trump from launching an insult barrage before. Hell he keeps hammering Bush and Bush is graveyard-dead.

Neither one of them so much as broach the subject of the other, which I find really weird. I get why Rubio doesn't want to tangle with Trump, but Rubio is a wealth of eminently mockable characteristics that Trump could gorge himself on.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at February 20, 2016 08:03 PM (8xieD)

161 Jeb! is now behind Kasuch.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 08:03 PM (SRv8e)

162 Nevergiveup that's far from decided just yet. I think Cruz will pull out second but an insignificant percentage difference which is disappointing. I truly think the endorsements resulted in at least 10% bump for Rubio.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 20, 2016 08:03 PM (MNgU2)

163
David Marcus*

Relax. A 30% ceiling doesn't win a nomination. This is looking good for Cruz and Rubio.

*Senior Contributor to polyamory advocacy sex-blog The Federalist.



Second and Third are the new First!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 08:03 PM (kdS6q)

164 Here's Trump's appeal to me, a fellow who never thought too much about that tacky, grasping, loud-mouthed SOB before now.

He's a nationalist. He's a bumbling, vicious cut-throat billionaire, who'd cut any one of us off at the ankles if there was two bits in it for him, but he seems to be a nationalist to the extent that he:

1) Doesn't openly despise or repudiate our nation and its traditions; and
2) He doesn't display an open contempt for the American people as historically constituted.

That's a low bar to set, I grant you, but this is where we are.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at February 20, 2016 08:03 PM (lutOX)

165 Rubio spent a lot of money to probably come in 3rd place.

Candidate Campaign Super PACs
Jeb Bush $83k $13.70m
Marco Rubio $4.71m $7.34m
Ted Cruz $2.34m $4.73m
Donald Trump $1.78m $0
Ben Carson $1.01m $45k
John Kasich $497k $385k
Total $10.42m $26.20m

Posted by: Dobby at February 20, 2016 08:03 PM (b1uWI)

166 114
Colin Campbell

CNN chyron right now: "SOURCE: RUBIO CAMP SAYS THIRD PLACE WOULD BE A 'VICTORY'"



Third is the new First!
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 07:55 PM (kdS6q)


Then second place would be even firster!

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2016 08:03 PM (sdi6R)

167 Trump's 30+% percent does *not* mean 70% against. Carson's voters and Cruz's voters overlap Trump's base. Carson's voters will almost all go Trump because of lingering butthurt over Cruz in Iowa.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2016 08:03 PM (6FqZa)

168 49 Dewey defeats Truman!

Posted by: bill-o at February 20, 2016 08:04 PM (nE/OV)

169 Rubio is the candidate of the middle, championed by mediocre minds



so much this

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:04 PM (zOTsN)

170 "but I have to say he's kind of screwed himself with some sleazy moves."

*sigh*

So the narrative was effective.

Posted by: Lauren at February 20, 2016 08:04 PM (0C2f1)

171 What the shit, SC? Rubio in second? I don't expect that to hold, but, not what I expected at all.

Here is what I predicted, placewise anyway:

Trump
Cruz
Bush
Rubio
Carson
Kasich


Trump keeping a double digit lead, though, he is going to run the table. Cruz votes would go to Trump. I think Carson votes do, too.

If Rubio pulls a second here, he will definitely pull the Comeback Kid card.

If current DD results hold, with Bush finishing behind Kasich, he is going to have to end his campaign.

Posted by: blaster at February 20, 2016 08:04 PM (2Ocf1)

172 This is why I hate the SC open primary format. Dems can vote in this.

--

This is true, but they can only vote in one. So if they voted today, they must not care too much about who gets the D nod. In 2012, it was much worse I think, because the JEF wasn't primaried. They undoubtedly had their fun with the R primary.

Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun! at February 20, 2016 08:05 PM (pVkEV)

173 ***"Jeb! is now behind Kasuch."***


That is truly glorious.


That's the sort of shit that will get me through this election.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2016 08:05 PM (Wckf4)

174 Looks like Jeb is dead, rhetorically.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 08:05 PM (9ym/8)

175 >>A plurality is a win. Please don't be a dumbass.

31% of a given demographic is enough to carry the contest, but only because the field is so divided. I wouldn't call that a "win" of that demographic.

Is Trump going to be carrying these same demographics when there are only three candidates left? I don't think so.



Posted by: looking closely at February 20, 2016 08:05 PM (hoiM7)

176 You know who this helps.....

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at February 20, 2016 08:05 PM (7vTEZ)

177 One thing the Rubio people never explain to me:

How is Cruz's unpopularity in a Burn It Down/Throw the Bums out type of year supposed to hurt him?

How is Rubio's ability to get along with the political establishment people mistrust if not despise supposed to help him?

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2016 08:05 PM (dciA+)

178 This is true, but they can only vote in one. So if they voted today, they must not care too much about who gets the D nod. In 2012, it was much worse I think, because the JEF wasn't primaried. They undoubtedly had their fun with the R primary.


Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun! at February 20, 2016 08:05 PM (pVkEV)



Yes I'm really sure that some of those voting precincts will be very diligent in ensuring that someone that voted today will not vote in the Dem primary.

Uh-huh. Definitely.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2016 08:06 PM (zt+N6)

179 Rubio's SC concession speech:

"I can't believe I lost!"
"I can't believe I lost!"
"I can't believe I lost!"

:-P
Posted by: qdpsteve at February 20, 2016 07:59 PM (ntObR)

My vote is on something like: "They said it couldn't be done! They said we were finished!"

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 20, 2016 08:06 PM (iHjB5)

180 We're first past the post. Well, in the primary here, the delegates are awarded per congressional district, some of them.

First-past-the-post is major suckitude. It's an highly irrational voting system (this is a mathematical thing). If you're interest look up Arrows Impossibility Theorem. There is no system involving more than two choices that can be rational.

See the notion of the Condorcet winner -- if one exists, then then that is a rational winner.

This gets involved. And mathy.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 08:06 PM (dvuhZ)

181

but the wizards of smart have already decreed that if Cruz doesnt come in first he is done

of course they want him out before the SEC primaries

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:06 PM (zOTsN)

182 I'm not voting for a guy who ever thought partial birth abortion was okay.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 08:06 PM (pUDQf)

183 Carson is last.

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 08:06 PM (sj3Ax)

184 Since Trump's wins get discounted and Cruz is underperforming per expectations, tonight's real winner is Marco Rubio. Not to worry, a few linguistic shots by Trump and the Waterboy will flatline again.

Posted by: AuH2O at February 20, 2016 08:06 PM (DEJix)

185 Well I can definatively say that after watching this political season and The Fredo years, I picked the wrong year to basically give up drinking

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2016 08:06 PM (tZBrS)

186 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2016 08:03 PM (6FqZa)

I disagree. They might not go to Cruz but they won't go to Trump. Carson's support is based on everything Trump is not. They could not be more different.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 20, 2016 08:07 PM (MNgU2)

187 "How is Rubio's ability to get along with the political establishment people mistrust if not despise supposed to help him? "

They think Rubio will appeal to the mythical moderate.

Maybe, but I think those people are going Trump or Sanders.

Posted by: Lauren at February 20, 2016 08:07 PM (0C2f1)

188 SOURCE: RUBIO CAMP SAYS THIRD PLACE WOULD BE A 'VICTORY

There are three of you. Go!

Posted by: The Bear at February 20, 2016 08:07 PM (mxCgt)

189 Rubio gaining ground is almost as sad as how many Americans think Hillary! is fit for public office. I need my own micro nation in a big way

Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 08:07 PM (7vTEZ)

190 154
If it's Rubio-Clinton or Rubio-Sanders in the general, I'll write in my cat's name. Fuck this shit.

What's your cats name ?

Backup.plan and all.
Posted by: jsg at February 20, 2016 08:02 PM (cpqBZ)


Kira. I sent in her photo to the pet thread, so she'll probably show up in the coming weeks. Apparently they got a lot of submissions.

I would totally trust Kira with executive power. Mainly because she sleeps most of the time, and she doesn't have opposable thumbs.

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2016 08:08 PM (sdi6R)

191 I can't really see Carson's voters breaking anywhere.


His hangers-on have pathological butthurt going on right now.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2016 08:08 PM (Wckf4)

192 He'll hath no fury like our Ewok scorned

I too crushed on The Rube, donated, the whole thing
Then he did the Great Amnesty 180'
No Rube

Trump

Posted by: ginaswo at February 20, 2016 08:08 PM (qxNrP)

193 Rubio is the candidate of the middle, championed by mediocre minds.
Posted by: ace


I would be slightly more generous to say as many have demonstrated here that a significant number of Rubio supporters are 'win and any cost' political animals. Not sure if that overlaps with said 'midcult,' but there may be a distinction.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2016 08:08 PM (AA6QE)

194 President Rubio... mmmmmm **Homer Simpson gurgle**

Posted by: future Majority Leader Chuck U. Schumer at February 20, 2016 08:08 PM (H9MG5)

195 Trump will actually remake the Republican party that actually stands for something.

Because let's face it the Republican party stands for shit.

Trumpism

Strong border security.
Against mass immigration
Bring jobs back to America
No more shitty trade deals or bad deals in general
No more Military interventionsim
Pro America like we've never seen before.

He will select Cruz as his running mate.

Trump/Cruz 2016 - FUCK YOU, WAR!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at February 20, 2016 08:08 PM (EmUe0)

196 Giuliani thinks Trump would be much better than Cruz in electability and in working with others if elected. Giuliani also liked his other friends like Cristy and Bush. To me that indicates Trump can get a lot of those moderate GOPe votes.

Even Beck loved Trump as the one that could really get things done as president, really praised him. It must be ten years old, but pretty funny.

Trump walked back the Bush Lied thing a little, but "Iraq was a mistake, at least over time" is still a winning message. So is trade and immigration ... winning.

I don't see the path for Cruz, as he faded after the big Iowa push. He doesn't even win the evangelicals. Still a good man.

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 20, 2016 08:08 PM (eUbDe)

197 I'm a Cruz supporter, but I have to say he's kind of screwed himself with some sleazy moves.

Posted by: Ololiuqui


Not much of a Cruz supporter if you're going to tar him personally with every thing his campaign has been accused of.

Even with the voter score card mailer, do you really think personally Cruz typed out that by hand? How many campaigns have you worked in?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2016 08:08 PM (AA6QE)

198 On a side note, I'm not really sure what "pathological butthurt" is, but it sounded decent.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2016 08:08 PM (Wckf4)

199 I mean this with all the respect the comments deserve. If you don't like the maps at the HQ, then pony your asses up for coding duty or some cash. They are operating on little more than guts and gumption over there.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2016 08:08 PM (8PbKi)

200 Jeb! has edged ahead of Kasuck.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 08:09 PM (3R7s0)

201 Posted by: ace at February 20, 2016 08:05 PM (dciA+)


Great, simple questions.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 08:09 PM (pUDQf)

202 Please don't let Rubio come in second.

Dear God.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 08:09 PM (9ym/8)

203 Ah I'm not thinking it's over three states two of which have cross voters gives you your candidate?
And look at the bright side, Jeb should be gone.

Posted by: Skip the ace at February 20, 2016 08:09 PM (l+OuH)

204 Oh God. The first Hillary Clinton commercial. Morgan fucking Freeman voice over.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2016 08:09 PM (zt+N6)

205 #183 Carson is last.
===
Carson, Kasich, and Bush are all done.

The question now is how long before they drop out.

I, BTW, received FOUR separate mailings for Bush in the last two days. Didn't earn my vote, but it was more pieces of mail than from any other candidate this cycle.

Posted by: looking closely at February 20, 2016 08:09 PM (hoiM7)

206 That's the sort of shit that will get me through this election.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2016 08:05 PM (Wckf4)

-----------------------------
Oh Gawd, same here. I've become such a nasty human being -- I'm sure Heb! is a good father and husband and brother and son -- but I feel delight in seeing him go down in flames politically. He's run SUCH a bad campaign, presaged such loserdom had he become the nominee.

I guess there's some post-campaign use for him. Some board, CEO of something.

Posted by: iforgot at February 20, 2016 08:09 PM (YOxw1)

207 You guys should be following that Fox site withy the vote count. Up to 21% in and Trump still firmly in the lead. RINO Rube and Cruz keep swapping back and forth. Jebbie the Hutt has fallen and is now in a statistical tie for last.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 20, 2016 08:10 PM (t2KH5)

208 Fox continuing to push Dondi.......they just won't stop. I'm guessing orders from Murdoch.

Posted by: Stay out da Bushes at February 20, 2016 08:10 PM (rZJS9)

209 Thanks NDH

Pretty easy to sit on ones fat ass & bitch about things.,

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 20, 2016 08:10 PM (voOPb)

210 Yes I'm really sure that some of those voting precincts will be very
diligent in ensuring that someone that voted today will not vote in the
Dem primary.

--

Good point, buzz.

Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun! at February 20, 2016 08:10 PM (pVkEV)

211 Oh God. The first Hillary Clinton commercial. Morgan fucking Freeman voice over.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2016 08:09 PM (zt+N6)

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You sure it wasn't her?

Posted by: iforgot at February 20, 2016 08:10 PM (YOxw1)

212 Rubio is the candidate of the middle, championed by mediocre minds

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How can anything survive when the little minds tear you in two? Oh, what a town without pity can do!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 20, 2016 08:11 PM (Nwg0u)

213 Cruz is gaining on Rubio

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:11 PM (zOTsN)

214 #196
Not entirely sure Giuliani is the best GOP strategist. I like the guy, but just sayin.


Posted by: looking closely at February 20, 2016 08:11 PM (hoiM7)

215 Oh God. The first Hillary Clinton commercial. Morgan fucking Freeman voice over.
Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2016 08:09 PM (zt+N6)

Enough to make you feel like you really are dead?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2016 08:11 PM (tZBrS)

216 A lot of the counties still to report are rural - I suspect they will go very strongly Trump and Cruz - but of course they have a lot less voters.

Posted by: blaster at February 20, 2016 08:11 PM (2Ocf1)

217 You know what Brigitte Megyn uses for hair gel with that FemDomish do? Hint: it comes out of Rubio.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 08:11 PM (dvuhZ)

218 Jeb Bush = Kevin McCarthy

Mario Rubio = Paul Ryan.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2016 08:11 PM (zt+N6)

219 .7 percent separating them now

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:11 PM (zOTsN)

220 Next up Trump will win Nevada going away, with over 40%.

Cruz has no path to win. He won't win another state except maybe Texas. If he hangs in it'll hurt Trump.

Rubio only has a chance because he's the better anti-Trump than Cruz and has the support of the GOPe. Bush hanging in hurts Rubio.

Kasich will hang in in the hope that he can replace Rubio as the anti-Trump.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 20, 2016 08:11 PM (rs5De)

221 I had high hopes for Trump being as good a savior as we were gonna get. With the bonus of the fuck you to the GOP vote. His pin ball opinions on every fucking thing have brought him down to just a FU vote. Still may be my best choice but wont be a choice made in hope of a real fix.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 08:12 PM (r6bSH)

222 202 Please don't let Rubio come in second.

Dear God.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 08:09 PM (9ym/

Amen, Ricardo, Amen

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 20, 2016 08:12 PM (voOPb)

223 Kasich's campaign manager says he's still in.

*sigh*

Crickets from Jeb.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:12 PM (FsuaD)

224 Trump takes evangelicals by 6% in S.C. vs. Cruz

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 08:12 PM (9ym/8)

225

No more $$$ for higher education. NSFW


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77BZLJZaMpc

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 20, 2016 08:12 PM (iQIUe)

226 cruz just went up

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:12 PM (zOTsN)

227 How is Rubio's ability to get along with the political establishment people mistrust if not despise supposed to help him?

Marco Brawndo - He's Got Electable-lytes!

Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2016 08:12 PM (J3phO)

228 If Trump runs the table, can I come back to the warm bosom of the horde without fearing I will be disruptive? xoxo, darling ones!

Posted by: Peaches at February 20, 2016 08:12 PM (EgOr3)

229 Yeah, I probably should've said except for Florida in 2000. But they didn't call that for Gore as soon as the polls closed there. I think they called it for Gore after a few hours, then called it for Bush, then moved it to too close to call.

-----------------------------------

Incorrect. They called it for Gore when the CST panhandle part of the state still had an hour to get to the polls. Apparently the media did not know that Florida had two time zones. So they called it early, but later said they would never do it again (and probably haven't...pretty embarrassing).

Posted by: East Bay Jay at February 20, 2016 08:12 PM (PvCxa)

230
Even with the voter score card mailer, do you
really think personally Cruz typed out that by hand? How many campaigns
have you worked in?


Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2016 08:08 PM (AA6QE)

You're right, I don't blame him personally. I'll rephrase to say that his staff / supporters kind of screwed him. I'm just theorizing as to why he doesn't have more support.You go over to Breitbart, they act like he's the worst human being who ever lived.

Posted by: Ololiuqui at February 20, 2016 08:12 PM (s6/4z)

231 Hopefully this will at least end Jeb!'s campaign. What a joke it was.

Posted by: Martian Wonder at February 20, 2016 08:13 PM (hxoxN)

232
Moe Lane*

Trump at 31%. If THAT holds up, whew! That's not going to win him a three-man.

Looks like Rubio is going to hit second, which will make his campaign happy, given that they were staring death in the face last week.

*Heh heh heh -- Moe.



Second is the new First!

And 20% is better than 31%!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 08:13 PM (kdS6q)

233 Thanks, Thunder B.

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 08:13 PM (sj3Ax)

234 Tweet of the Day:

"With a strong 3rd tonight, the only thing left to decide for Rubio is where he belongs on Rushmore."

- Michael B Dougherty

Posted by: Dobby at February 20, 2016 08:13 PM (b1uWI)

235 and now he is down .6

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:13 PM (zOTsN)

236 "What upsets me about tonights results is rubio coming in ahead of Cruz. For some reason Cruz is NOT catching on"

To give you a bit of insight to a Trump voter. I'll give you my take and you can make of it what you will.
In the past 3 decades or so I have voted straight ticket Republican except once in a local race for governor way back when.

Here goes.

1. I just don't like the man. He seems preachy and untrustworthy to me, all things aside.

2. I hate,hate,hate the conservative purity thing and like it or not when I hear someone mention "conservatism" it instantly makes me think of small tent politics which takes me to #3.

3.I don't believe he will win it because of the conservative/conservative/conservative hoopla.

4.He is bought and paid for by the same people who bought and paid for Hillary. 3 decades of voting Republican and I know what that buys me......Nothing.

5.He took a case on behalf of a ChiCom against an American business man to basically steal his ideas. I do fully understand that lawyer's must represent their clients. Accepting clients in the first place is another thing.
Some may feel this point is splitting hairs. It isn't with me. It ranks right up their with Obama holding the most powerful position on the planet and he didn't lift a finger for his brothers living in a cow dung hut in Kenya making 40 bucks a month. It really shows who you are.

Anyhow there you go. Cruz will never catch on with me.

Posted by: Drider at February 20, 2016 08:13 PM (6Xbsz)

237 IF mario is the nominee, i will be one pissed off chick.

he, jeb and kasich are unacceptable.

Posted by: concrete girl at February 20, 2016 08:13 PM (0KgAM)

238 So, fun thought experiment. Which of the Repub candidates would be which guy in "GoodFellas"??

I'll go ahead and say, Trump would be Joe Pesci. And whomever made the "shinebox" comment would be, I'd assume, Jeb.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 20, 2016 08:13 PM (ntObR)

239
I was really hoping Cruz would do better.

So far Cruz hasn't won a single county. That means stuff.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 20, 2016 08:13 PM (RcpcZ)

240 Rubio is the candidate of the middle, championed by mediocre minds.
Posted by: ace at February 20, 2016 08:02 PM (dciA+)

Correct.....nobody who lives in the real world wants George W. Bushio II....errr I mean Rubio.

Trump/Cruz 2016....let's make the world safe from the Supreme Court once again.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 20, 2016 08:13 PM (ej1L0)

241 "If Trump runs the table, can I come back to the warm bosom of the horde without fearing I will be disruptive? xoxo, darling ones!"
-Posted by: Peaches at February 20, 2016 08:12 PM (EgOr3)

You and I are to have words, young lady.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 20, 2016 08:13 PM (OQ9R7)

242 211 Oh God. The first Hillary Clinton commercial. Morgan fucking Freeman voice over.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2016 08:09 PM (zt+N6)

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You sure it wasn't her?


Posted by: iforgot at February 20, 2016 08:10 PM (YOxw1)



Her stupid voice was at the beginning approving the message.

The only thing I can say is that this is what Republicans are doing. She's running that stupid thing on TBS. Take those cheap commercial spots on TBS TNT USA. Those networks that people just leave on in the background as they run marathon blocks of syndicated shows.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2016 08:13 PM (zt+N6)

243 Crickets from Jeb.


***

FNC reported that there are no televisions on at Bush HQ

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2016 08:14 PM (8PbKi)

244 Peaches!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:14 PM (FsuaD)

245 So, um, Mario spent much more money than Ted did in SC, more than seventy percent more, plus the establishment pulled strings to get Mario a stack of statewide Republican endorsements, yet Mario and Ted are essentially neck and neck for second place.

What was that about electability again?

Posted by: torquewrench at February 20, 2016 08:14 PM (noWW6)

246 {{peaches}} you had me at "warm bosom", heh.

So what's up?

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2016 08:14 PM (6FqZa)

247 Cruz back ahead of Boobio.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 08:14 PM (3R7s0)

248 ***"Not entirely sure Giuliani is the best GOP strategist. I like the guy, but just sayin."***


In fairness, all GOP strategists don't really seem to have a good grasp on strategic concepts.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2016 08:14 PM (Wckf4)

249 "With a strong 3rd tonight, the only thing left to decide for Rubio is where he belongs on Rushmore.">>>

Cleaning bathrooms at the visitors center?

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 08:14 PM (r6bSH)

250 Maybe we'll have a mega-election battle of Clinton vs. Rubio! (Wished no one ever.)

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 20, 2016 08:15 PM (gA69l)

251 Mr electability wont even win FL

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:15 PM (zOTsN)

252 @237 concrete girl

Very dear friend is so Mario & I just don't get it

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 20, 2016 08:15 PM (voOPb)

253 Ed Anger,
I feel the same.
I think Ace is right about them both calling Cruz a liar, even though he was truthful.

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 08:15 PM (sj3Ax)

254 >>>So, fun thought experiment. Which of the Repub candidates would be which guy in "GoodFellas"??



I'll go ahead and say, Trump would be Joe Pesci. And whomever made the "shinebox" comment would be, I'd assume, Jeb.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 20, 2016 08:13 PM (ntObR)<<<

Mario is Spider.

Posted by: dance, Mario, dance at February 20, 2016 08:16 PM (H9MG5)

255 "With a strong 3rd tonight, the only thing left to decide for Rubio is where he belongs on Rushmore.

In the call center. He's the guy you get when you press "2 for espanol."

Posted by: Peaches at February 20, 2016 08:16 PM (EgOr3)

256 Not entirely sure Giuliani is the best GOP strategist.

The problem is, they would hate the best GOP stratiegist!

Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2016 08:16 PM (J3phO)

257 According to the delegate count, Trump now has 38 out of 50 delegates. The others have not tagged any yet. How those other 12 go is still up for grabs, and some will add to Trump just depending.

First past the post by congressional district plus some statewide.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 08:16 PM (dvuhZ)

258 actually remake the Republican party that actually stands for something.


-
They stand for rights for the spaghetti spiced.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 20, 2016 08:16 PM (Nwg0u)

259 Cruz edged up.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 08:16 PM (9ym/8)

260 I think Ace is right about them both calling Cruz a liar, even though he was truthful.

But Cruz is the "dirty politics" guy. Uh-huh.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 20, 2016 08:16 PM (gA69l)

261 Poor Dr. Carson. A good, decent, honorable man.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:16 PM (FsuaD)

262 Im confused as to why Rubio's amnesty position bugs Trump supporters but they don't seem to care about Trump's decidedly Democratic positions throughout the years, including single payer and partial birth abortion?

If the answer is Trump evolved, why isn't Rubio's evolving on amnesty just as sincere?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 08:16 PM (pUDQf)

263 Pretty sure Rubio and Cruz will end up a statistical tie. How Fox spins this will depend on the numbers. If Cruz is up by .5% then its a tie. If Rubio is up by .5% then Cruz is out of the race and Rubio is a powerhouse on the rise.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 08:17 PM (39g3+)

264 Cruz has won 1 precinct.

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 08:17 PM (sj3Ax)

265 tied at 21.7

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:17 PM (zOTsN)

266 210 Good point, buzz.


Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun! at February 20, 2016 08:10 PM (pVkEV)

They use the same computer printout and when you vote in one they mark your name out so you can't vote in the other.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 20, 2016 08:17 PM (t2KH5)

267
"With a strong 3rd tonight, the only thing left to decide for Rubio is where he belongs on Rushmore."

- Michael B Dougherty

Posted by: Dobby at February 20, 2016 08:13 PM (b1uWI)


Well, somebody there has to run the leaf blowers.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 08:17 PM (afR/C)

268 "(Rubio)'s the guy you get when you press "2 for espanol."

And the instructions he gives in Spanish will include special instructions around the security-fences and tolls.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2016 08:18 PM (6FqZa)

269 It seems like Mario has more to gain from people dropping out than Cruz does.

Damned Establishment A-Holes...

Posted by: Hikaru at February 20, 2016 08:18 PM (FrHC0)

270 Bush tying with Kasich for 4th should crater his campaign, especially if he's running out of money as some reports claim. Carson, I thought he might do better, too bad. I like him.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 08:19 PM (39g3+)

271 Poor Dr. Carson. A good, decent, honorable man.

--

I feel the same way. Every mailer I got, every sign I saw, I just felt bad for him. He's not going to win, yet he is made up of more integrity than most everyone else combined. He's too good for politics.

Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun! at February 20, 2016 08:19 PM (pVkEV)

272 266 210 Good point, buzz.


Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun! at February 20, 2016 08:10 PM (pVkEV)

They use the same computer printout and when you vote in one they mark your name out so you can't vote in the other.


Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 20, 2016 08:17 PM (t2KH5)



"Hey here's someone that never votes in the Primary. We'll just have you vote for them."

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2016 08:19 PM (zt+N6)

273
258 actually remake the Republican party that actually stands for something.


-
They stand for rights for the spaghetti spiced.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 20, 2016 08:16 PM (Nwg0u)

Is was hoping for linguini backbone myself

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 20, 2016 08:19 PM (voOPb)

274 261 Poor Dr. Carson. A good, decent, honorable man.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:16 PM (FsuaD)


--I would like to see him as Governor of Maryland or Mayor of Baltimore. After that, he'd be seasoned to be President.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 08:19 PM (3R7s0)

275 >>>"With a strong 3rd tonight, the only thing left to decide for Rubio is where he belongs on Rushmore.">>>

Cleaning bathrooms at the visitors center?


Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 08:14 PM (r6bSH)<<<

The hemorrhoid on my ass on the other side of the mountain.

Posted by: zombie George Washington at February 20, 2016 08:19 PM (H9MG5)

276 238 So, fun thought experiment. Which of the Repub candidates would be which guy in "GoodFellas"??

I'll go ahead and say, Trump would be Joe Pesci. And whomever made the "shinebox" comment would be, I'd assume, Jeb.
Posted by: qdpsteve at February 20, 2016 08:13 PM (ntObR)


LOL.

I may have to amend my earlier comment. If Rubio is the nominee, I'll write in Joe Pesci.

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2016 08:19 PM (sdi6R)

277 He's too good for politics

Amen.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 20, 2016 08:20 PM (Agn5J)

278 Well, there is no real disagreement between principled opposition to DACA and practical considerations on how it ought to end.

I agree with Rubio that DACA should end in a manner that causes minimal disruption to those who are currently benefitting from it.

I also agree that it would be preferable if DACA were replaced legislatively with immigration reform, just not any reform that includes amnesty, at least at the present time.

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 08:20 PM (tJipK)

279 Im confused as to why Rubio's amnesty position bugs Trump supporters>>>

If you have Missed it over the past month. Trump is the FUCK YOU to politics as usual candidate. We don't need to parse the little reality fed out to us.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 08:20 PM (r6bSH)

280 Trump's just caught fire. Debates be damned.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 08:20 PM (9ym/8)

281 It seems like Mario has more to gain from people dropping out than Cruz does.

Sure, Cruz can get Carson's votes but Kasich and Jeb go to Rubio. Still not enough to catch Trump, though, because a few of each of those will go to him. And if Cruz drops out at some point, almost all of his votes go to Trump.

That's how I see it, at least.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 08:21 PM (39g3+)

282 Just came home from a long visit with my mom and dad- both lifelong GOP voters in their early 70's.

Dad was pretty locked in for Cruz but now supports Mario as well. Because....? Electable! and Mario has a better grasp on foreign policy.

Mom asked if I was sure about Cruz because "he lies", and "nobody likes him".

yet another superb narrative spun by MSM including Fox and GOPe.

SMOD



Posted by: Cooldawg at February 20, 2016 08:21 PM (bmii1)

283 Posted by: Drider at February 20, 2016 08:13 PM (6Xbsz)

Were you on the Dewhurst campaign staff?

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 20, 2016 08:21 PM (MNgU2)

284 We are doomed

Posted by: Me at February 20, 2016 08:21 PM (mKZvz)

285 The thing that hurts Ted most is

1) as Ace pointed out, the Establishment media views him as the enemy. I don't know how many "voter score card" fliers I have, but never made a second thought about it, and all reports are that Rubio has a very similar flier, but the media acted like Cruz held people at gunpoint for votes.

2) Of the three biggest draws, Rubio and Trump both focused all of their fire on Cruz and not on each other. For all of the Rubio fanbois who argue that Cruz should have attacked Trump before, Rubio STILL refuses to attack Trump

Posted by: Boone at February 20, 2016 08:21 PM (vq6QR)

286 So Trump is nothing more than people voting out of spite?

Awesome. So if Cruz bows out, I will vote Rubio to spite Trump. Fun times.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 08:22 PM (pUDQf)

287 Just to be clear-- NO mistranslation on what Rubio said
He said DACA was important. Rubio-- too slippery for me - AND methinks he's the 'establishment boy'.

Posted by: rld77 at February 20, 2016 08:22 PM (NNQjx)

288 How long before Megyn Kelly pulls a Kanye West and claims Trump's popularity is because of her luscious mesmerism?

Posted by: Fritz at February 20, 2016 08:22 PM (BngQR)

289 So that old dog whistle electability again. That has been proven BS over and over again.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 20, 2016 08:22 PM (t2KH5)

290
John Podhoretz

Trump on track to win SC with a vote total maybe 25 percent lower than Gingrich's in 2012; he didn't build on NH, probably fell back 15-20%



First is the new Last!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 08:22 PM (kdS6q)

291 Between South Carolina and Nevada, I welcome our new pantsuit-wearing Destructor.

Spit.

Posted by: steveegg at February 20, 2016 08:22 PM (cL79m)

292 Rubio STILL refuses to attack Trump

Which may be his downfall. By time he has the stones to do so, it'll be too late.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 20, 2016 08:23 PM (Agn5J)

293 Well, there is no real disagreement between principled opposition to DACA and practical considerations on how it ought to end.

I agree with Rubio that DACA should end in a manner that causes minimal disruption to those who are currently benefitting from it.

I also agree that it would be preferable if DACA were replaced legislatively with immigration reform, just not any reform that includes amnesty, at least at the present time.
Posted by: chemjeff


why should I care about the disruption of non citizens lives?

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:23 PM (zOTsN)

294 We are doomed

Posted by: Me at February 20, 2016 08:21 PM (mKZvz)


The AoSHQ Style Guide says "terminally boned".

Posted by: steveegg at February 20, 2016 08:23 PM (cL79m)

295
I would totally trust Kira with executive power. Mainly because she sleeps most of the time, and she doesn't have opposable thumbs.


I like her platform.

Kira '16

Posted by: eleven at February 20, 2016 08:23 PM (qUNWi)

296 Don't want a Cruz memorial just yet.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 08:23 PM (9ym/8)

297 After what Trump has said about Cruz, I highly doubt Cruz supporters will go to Trump. Sit home, maybe. Or vote for the biggest dumpster fire on the democrat side to hasten the quickening.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 08:24 PM (pUDQf)

298 Carson says he's not getting out.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:24 PM (FsuaD)

299

Rubio and Cruz are .1 per cent apart


the biggest threat to Cruz, is GOPe

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:24 PM (zOTsN)

300 This whole election for me has felt like a guy hand cuffed to a chair being tortured. They keep asking me for answers but keep beating me no matter what I say.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 08:24 PM (r6bSH)

301 ***"Sure, Cruz can get Carson's votes..."***


I have a lot of Carson supporters on my FB (shut up, I know) and they all hate, hate, hate Cruz. I can't see Cruz picking any significant number of them up.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2016 08:24 PM (Wckf4)

302 Carson: I'm not going anywhere.

Posted by: Joanne at February 20, 2016 08:24 PM (hgBpU)

303 289 So that old dog whistle electability again. That has been proven BS over and over again.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 20, 2016 08:22 PM (t2KH5)


That word is not in my vocabulary.

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2016 08:24 PM (sdi6R)

304 Kasich votes and Jeb votes will go to Rubio.

If those two guys drop out, Cruz is in trouble.

His best shot would be to team up with Trump to defeat Rubio and agree to accept the VP slot.

If Trump and Cruz create Trump/Cruz sooner rather than later they can defeat the gope machine.

Posted by: eman at February 20, 2016 08:24 PM (MQEz6)

305 DD showing Rubio ahead of Cruz by about 250 votes.

Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun! at February 20, 2016 08:25 PM (pVkEV)

306 After what Trump has said about Cruz, I highly doubt Cruz supporters will go to Trump. Sit home, maybe. Or vote for the biggest dumpster fire on the democrat side to hasten the quickening.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 08:24 PM (pUDQf)

I will if my other choice is Rubio, for spite. Let the republican party live with Trump. long and hard

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:25 PM (zOTsN)

307 302 Carson: I'm not going anywhere.
Posted by: Joanne at February 20, 2016 08:24 PM (hgBpU)


He's right about that.

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2016 08:25 PM (sdi6R)

308 "John Podhoretz

Trump on track to win SC with a vote total maybe 25 percent lower than Gingrich's in 2012; he didn't build on NH, probably fell back 15-20%"

-------------------------

John, seriously. Delusion does not help you one iota.

Posted by: Drider at February 20, 2016 08:25 PM (6Xbsz)

309 Can't Stump the Trump, guys.

He's going to be your president. Let's make it easy: nationalism trumps free trade and open borders, just like it trumped the Bushes. Give those up and we can be one big happy party again.

Posted by: Crude at February 20, 2016 08:25 PM (/IrCS)

310 Time for me to get ready for bed. The key to this will be when the Myrtle Beach area turns in their numbers. There is a half a million people living there now. The Charleston area is mostly black Democrats and they will be voting next week.


But I'm gone

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 20, 2016 08:26 PM (t2KH5)

311 Cruz is still ahead of Boobio

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 08:26 PM (SRv8e)

312 I'm getting a sore neck from constantly reloading my iPad.

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 08:26 PM (sj3Ax)

313 Well, I've had enough politics for a lifetime.

Off to read.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:26 PM (FsuaD)

314 You Megyn Kelly haters should,

...tread lightly.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 20, 2016 08:26 PM (OQ9R7)

315 Cruz cant be Donald's VP. He's Canadian, right?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 08:26 PM (pUDQf)

316 "With a strong 3rd tonight, the only thing left to decide for Rubio is where he belongs on Rushmore.">>>

Cleaning bathrooms at the visitors center?


Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 08:14 PM (r6bSH)

----------------------
There are lots of jobs in this country that require Spanish language skills.

Posted by: iforgot at February 20, 2016 08:27 PM (YOxw1)

317 Has Trump actually said that he supports partial-birth abortion, or did he say that he simply does not support enacting legislation to ban it?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 08:27 PM (afR/C)

318
With 73% of the voter being religious and Cruz being a Southern Baptist I would think he'd be doing better than he is. He has now won one county, which is something, but I'm very surprised Rubio is about even with him.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 20, 2016 08:27 PM (RcpcZ)

319
The Resurgent - Erick Erickson

South Carolina - Trump Meets His Ceiling

theresurgent.com/south-carolina-trump-meets-his-ceiling



First is the new Last!

And Steiner will come.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 08:27 PM (kdS6q)

320 Does FOX have anyone on that likes Trump? They all have smug disdain, and push the angry voter thing. And they aren't pushing Cruz either. Krauthammer has always been loving on Rubio, and others apparently agree.

Trump will maybe have to choose a Rubio or Kasich type for VP, to get that mass on board the Trump train. Kasich might give him more than Rubio, but if Rubio delivered FL that is huuuge. Guess we'll see ... things can still change. But Trumps alleged major blow ups didn't hurt him terribly, though it cost him some.

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 20, 2016 08:27 PM (eUbDe)

321 Posted by: eman at February 20, 2016 08:24 PM (MQEz6)

Slight problem - Trump supporters want to defeat El Partido Republicano Legado by giving the Rats the win. Cruz supporters want to beat both halves of the bipartisan Party-In-Government.

And El PRL doesn't care if it lives or dies...as long as its former base is crushed.

Posted by: steveegg at February 20, 2016 08:27 PM (cL79m)

322 Hey, wow.

Darius Rucker is from Charleston, SC.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 20, 2016 08:27 PM (ntObR)

323 Jeb's being pushed down by Kasich like a cheerleader by the winning offensive tackle.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 20, 2016 08:27 PM (u82oZ)

324 Crude, that's not required.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 08:27 PM (9ym/8)

325 63 Interesting that the bottom three, Bush, Kasich, and Carson, together have more votes than Rubio or Cruz.

When (not if) those three drop out, the dynamic will likely change dramatically.

Trump has about 30%, and he's probably not going to end up with much more than that. That leaves plenty of "juice" for either Cruz or Rubio to come out on top, still.

Posted by: looking closely

If Trump gets 20 % of the drop outs your plan is messed up. Especially once Trump starts focusing on Rubio and hammering him on illegal immigration. Rubio, cruz and Kasich are both in for the next month as is Carson probably.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 20, 2016 08:27 PM (QdAXQ)

326 "Cruz cant be Donald's VP. He's Canadian, right?"

I refuse to comment on that until all of the lawsuits are over.

Posted by: Drider at February 20, 2016 08:27 PM (6Xbsz)

327 So Trump is nothing more than people voting out of spite?

Awesome. So if Cruz bows out, I will vote Rubio to spite Trump. Fun times.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 08:22 PM (pUDQf)

tell me how Trump betrayed you, and this nation. I will wait

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:27 PM (zOTsN)

328 Bush rep said please be respectful, we are still looking at numbers.

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 08:27 PM (sj3Ax)

329 Cruz is getting tar brushed by standing up to Trump and nailing Rubio over his record. Just by answering Trump's broadsides, Cruz is vulnerable to media coverage lumping Cruz in with Trump's behavior.

Rubio's attacks would not impact Cruz except when combined with Carson's accusations and Trump's bellowing the same words, dutifully echoed by all anti-Cruz activists.

They are attempting to brand him. The "creepy" campaign failed, but this one shows signs of sticking.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 20, 2016 08:27 PM (LJRhX)

330 "His best shot would be to team up with Trump to defeat Rubio and agree to accept the VP slot."

Even Trump, with his ability to walk back things he plainly said by simply claiming he never said them at all, is going to have a hard time backing off of his long list of accusations against Cruz. Not least the one that Cruz isn't constitutionally clean as a potential President.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 20, 2016 08:28 PM (noWW6)

331 OT: I got "The Walking Dead" season two. I kind of liked the first one - some SJW tropes, but not overpowering (redneck is racist, which I thought was lazy writing, but then a brother is introduced, who isn't).
Also very strong on the Second Amendment, at least what passes for one in zombieland.

I assume it's good if it hasn't been canceled.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2016 08:28 PM (6FqZa)

332 261
Poor Dr. Carson. A good, decent, honorable man.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:16 PM (FsuaD)

This Jane. I feel bad for him. I hope there's a place for him in a R administration.

Posted by: Tami at February 20, 2016 08:28 PM (v0/PR)

333 ***"I'm getting a sore neck from constantly reloading my iPad."***


Granted I haven't used many Apple products, but I'm pretty sure you're doing it wrong.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2016 08:28 PM (Wckf4)

334 304
If Trump and Cruz create Trump/Cruz sooner rather than later they can defeat the gope machine.
Posted by: eman at February 20, 2016 08:24 PM (MQEz6)


I've been saying for months that Trump/Cruz is the best ticket we can get.

But they've been hatin' on each other for a while now. Is such a ticket even possible?

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2016 08:28 PM (sdi6R)

335 Molly Ringwald played a stalker once. She was hot in that.

Posted by: eleven at February 20, 2016 08:28 PM (qUNWi)

336 Thanks whoever mentioned the HBO free preview. Its Cinemax as well and I've got Insurgent, X-Men Days of Future Past- The Rogue Cut, and American Sniper scheduled for DVR

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2016 08:28 PM (zt+N6)

337 "..tread lightly.
"



Uh-oh.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 08:29 PM (9ym/8)

338 Bush rep said please be respectful, we are still looking at numbers

Yes, it is bad manners to mock the dead.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2016 08:29 PM (6FqZa)

339 I'm a Cruz guy, but if Mario is the nominee, I'll probably stay home. I'd vote for Trump, just as an F.U. to the GOPe, but I will not vote for Rubes.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 20, 2016 08:29 PM (Agn5J)

340 I don't hate-hate Brigitte Megyn. It's sort of hardon hate. And not really hate, there either. Definitely a hardon, but some distaste thrown in. It's complicated.....

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 08:29 PM (dvuhZ)

341 For Cruz to get 20%? I definitely thought he'd be able to do better. If he can't- well, Texas will vote for him, but who else will go for Cruz?

And Rubio, of course, is getting beaten by Cruz in every single state. Really, Rubio should leave before Cruz. Still, congratulations to Cruz and Trump supporters tonight!

Posted by: trev006 at February 20, 2016 08:29 PM (/FpdP)

342 317
Has Trump actually said that he supports partial-birth abortion, or did he say that he simply does not support enacting legislation to ban it?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 08:27 PM (afR/C)

He doesn't really have the intellect to parse things like that. Asked if he supports partial birth abortions, his answer was "I'm pro-choice, as far as it goes."

Posted by: Ololiuqui at February 20, 2016 08:29 PM (s6/4z)

343 300 This whole election for me has felt like a guy hand cuffed to a chair being tortured. They keep asking me for answers but keep beating me no matter what I say.
Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 08:24 PM (r6bSH)
***
Is it safe?

https://youtu.be/kzw1_2b-I7A

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at February 20, 2016 08:29 PM (lutOX)

344
293 Well, there is no real disagreement between principled opposition to DACA and practical considerations on how it ought to end.

I agree with Rubio that DACA should end in a manner that causes minimal disruption to those who are currently benefitting from it.

I also agree that it would be preferable if DACA were replaced legislatively with immigration reform, just not any reform that includes amnesty, at least at the present time.
Posted by: chemjeff


why should I care about the disruption of non citizens lives?
Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:23 PM (zOTsN)

What reform is needed besides simply enforcing the law and securing the border?

Posted by: eman at February 20, 2016 08:29 PM (MQEz6)

345 Buzzion - X-Men is very well done. You'll enjoy it.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 20, 2016 08:30 PM (Agn5J)

346 Rubio is Jimmy Two Times
Bush is Maury's Wigs. They never come off.

Posted by: Mega at February 20, 2016 08:30 PM (JwLCI)

347 I have a number of former friends who are big Trump supporters. I'm not as tolerant as I used to be.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 20, 2016 08:30 PM (MNgU2)

348 again they are .1 per cent apart


Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:30 PM (zOTsN)

349 I wanted Cruz for the Supreme Court all along anyway, and I'm hoping that's the deal he'll make with Trump if it's clear(er) that he can't win on his own. Trump's running mate should be Walker.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2016 08:30 PM (6FqZa)

350 Qua Ben Shapiro, if Rubio takes the silver, I am officially Full Trump Ahead.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at February 20, 2016 08:30 PM (8xieD)

351 "This Jane. I feel bad for him. I hope there's a place for him in a R administration."
-Posted by: Tami at February 20, 2016 08:28 PM (v0/PR)

How about Carson for head of the V.A.?

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 20, 2016 08:31 PM (OQ9R7)

352 261 Poor Dr. Carson. A good, decent, honorable man.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:16 PM (FsuaD)

I used to think that. Now, I think he's turned into a vindictive asshole. And, he's just using his supporters at this point. How can he justify asking his people for money?

Posted by: Joanne at February 20, 2016 08:31 PM (hgBpU)

353 tell me how Trump betrayed you, and this nation. I will wait

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:27 PM (zOTsN)
By donating to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer? And Hillary?

Posted by: Ololiuqui at February 20, 2016 08:31 PM (s6/4z)

354 345 Buzzion - X-Men is very well done. You'll enjoy it.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 20, 2016 08:30 PM (Agn5J)



I've already watched it. Just haven't seen the cut where they bring in Rogue.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2016 08:31 PM (zt+N6)

355 He doesn't really have the intellect to parse things like that. Asked if he supports partial birth abortions, his answer was "I'm pro-choice, as far as it goes."

Posted by: Ololiuqui at February 20, 2016 08:29 PM (s6/4z)


Funny how a guy with no intellect has managed to make billions of dollars, without being a football player or a rapper, ain't it?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 08:31 PM (afR/C)

356
"With a strong 3rd tonight, the only thing left to decide for Rubio is where he belongs on Rushmore."

South By Southwest !

Posted by: jsg at February 20, 2016 08:32 PM (cpqBZ)

357 How about Carson for head of the V.A.?

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 20, 2016 08:31 PM (OQ9R7)


Or HHS...something that puts his considerable medical talents to good use in gov.....if that's even possible.

Posted by: Tami at February 20, 2016 08:32 PM (v0/PR)

358 Buzzion - Ah, got it.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 20, 2016 08:32 PM (Agn5J)

359 Hopefully this will at least end Jeb!'s campaign. What a joke it was.

Posted by: Martian Wonder at February 20, 2016 08:13 PM (hxoxN)



How can you say that? He's just come roaring back into fourth place

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 20, 2016 08:32 PM (45oDG)

360 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2016 08:29 PM (6FqZa)


Ha. Just got a flashback to Monty Python. "Bring out yer dead! Bring out yer dead!"

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 08:32 PM (pUDQf)

361 ***"How about Carson for head of the V.A.?"***


The VA needs W.T. Sherman, not Mr. Rogers.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2016 08:33 PM (Wckf4)

362 @320 Cruz won't help Trump as VP, he'd be a liability. Trump can win FL without Rubio. Kasich is an interesting choice to put Midwest states into play. Ohio is what Florida used to be.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 20, 2016 08:34 PM (rs5De)

363 By donating to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer? And Hillary?>>

Like the votes Mitch McConnell and other real republicans laid down and thought about England on?

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 08:34 PM (r6bSH)

364 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 08:31 PM (afR/C)

A million bucks from daddy doesn't hurt as a start. Nor do lawsuits and bribes.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 08:34 PM (pUDQf)

365
310 Time for me to get ready for bed. The key to this will be when the Myrtle Beach area turns in their numbers. There is a half a million people living there now. The Charleston area is mostly black Democrats and they will be voting next week.


But I'm gone

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 20, 2016 08:26 PM (t2KH5)


Have a good night's sleep, Vic.

As for the Myrtle Beach area, with 66% of Horry County reporting, Rubio has 17.3% while Rubio has 16.8%. That's not a good sign for later.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 20, 2016 08:34 PM (RcpcZ)

366 WTF?
the results so far were like the recent polls.
why did FOX start by saying too close to call, much closer than recent polls?

Posted by: Avi at February 20, 2016 08:34 PM (fijdj)

367 Rubio voted against the countries interests while a Senator. Thats way worse than anything Trump has done

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:34 PM (zOTsN)

368 Importante is Spanish for import. Ya know like an Importante Exportante business. Not my fault you tools don't understand Spanish like Mario Sexybackio

/Petunia

Posted by: Geoffrey at February 20, 2016 08:34 PM (LoRcb)

369 Cruz losing ground steadily now.

R 22.2 67,543
C 21.7 65,934

Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun! at February 20, 2016 08:35 PM (pVkEV)

370 I've been saying for months that Trump/Cruz is the best ticket we can get.



But they've been hatin' on each other for a while now. Is such a ticket even possible?

--------------------

It would be possible, and it would be hilarious when the MSM challenges Trump on it.

"Didn't you say Cruz wasn't eligible to be president? Didn't you? Huh, huh, didn't you?"

"Whaddya, stupid? Get that guy out of here! Throw him out!"


Posted by: iforgot at February 20, 2016 08:35 PM (YOxw1)

371 >>>I don't hate-hate Brigitte Megyn. It's sort of hardon hate. And not really hate, there either. Definitely a hardon, but some distaste thrown in. It's complicated.....<<<

Dude, you're overthinking this thing. It's not hate, -- it's more like a grudge. A grudge of love.

Posted by: Fritz at February 20, 2016 08:35 PM (BngQR)

372 The next set of primaries are March 1 so I'm guessing we will all be hashing this out again then. Texas is in that group.

Posted by: Skip the ace at February 20, 2016 08:36 PM (l+OuH)

373 A million bucks from daddy doesn't hurt as a start. Nor do lawsuits and bribes.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 08:34 PM (pUDQf)


Many, many people got a million bucks from Daddy, and pissed it all away.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 08:36 PM (afR/C)

374 the worst brow is not high brow, nor lowbrow. The worst brow is middlebrow, or "midcult" as it's sometimes called.

The midcult people, the people who aren't terribly smart but are proud of being not stupid, are really annoying in their sneering down everyone else.

The Rubio people tend to be pretty midcult.

Sorry, i said it. There it is.

Rubio is the candidate of the middle, championed by mediocre minds.

***

Middling minds.

Why, how dare people have the audacity to be poor and lacking in style whilst concurrently voicing an opinion in such consequential concerns as who will sit at the throne!

It's ghastly!

Don't tell me they still allow the poor into museums?!

I grew up poor. My grandparents literally built by hand much of what they owned. I've lived middle class much of my adult life and have had association/relationships with a number of very wealthy people.

It has never been the wealthy people who have expressed disdain for the working class, it has been those who escaped poverty and sought to scrub off the filth by imitating every snobbish character they had seen in a bad 80s movie.

It makes me want to choke a bitch. Instead, I'll enjoy watching as the Morlocks get their revenge.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2016 08:36 PM (8PbKi)

375 Yeah I don't know why the "lies" thing is stikcing, since they provide basically no evidence, just repeating it constantly, but it seems to be working against Cruz. And he didn't do well countering it, so he lost ground. Should have been a comfortable and easy high 2nd for him here, and instead he's basically tied with Rubio and will be painted as 3rd place. Which, now, will be portrayed as campaign-ending, of course.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 08:36 PM (39g3+)

376 why did FOX start by saying too close to call, much closer than recent polls
--------------------

Viewers my boy. Viewers.

Posted by: Mega at February 20, 2016 08:36 PM (JwLCI)

377 "why should I care about the disruption of non citizens lives?"


Because they are human beings?

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 08:36 PM (tJipK)

378 Cruz cant be Donald's VP. He's Canadian, right?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 08:26 PM (pUDQf)

Nobody cares

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 20, 2016 08:36 PM (T78UI)

379 Funny how a guy with no intellect has managed to
make billions of dollars, without being a football player or a rapper,
ain't it?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 08:31 PM (afR/C)
It doesn't take a genius to be in the real estate business, trust me. Im a civil engineer and I deal with these retards all day.

Posted by: Ololiuqui at February 20, 2016 08:36 PM (s6/4z)

380 Cruz gave a very harsh speech against a federal judge nominee who was in favor of the Kelo decision. He basically said anyone that supports that decision doesn't deserve to serve as dog catcher. If he accepts to serve under Trump in any position would be disappointing. I don't count being nominated to the SC which I don't believe he would be confirmed by the Senate.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 20, 2016 08:36 PM (MNgU2)

381
David Freddoso*

Rubio really wants second, and it's much better than third. But victory tonight is knocking out Jeb.

*Commentary Editor, Washington Examiner.




Knocking out the guy in Fifth is the new First!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 08:37 PM (kdS6q)

382 Observations:

Cruz going Evangelical is not doing anything.

Too many Republicans voting for Dondi for.......?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 08:37 PM (9ym/8)

383 And of course, Fox New's narrative is now "Cruz is done, Cruz can't beat Rubio".

Posted by: Hikaru at February 20, 2016 08:37 PM (FrHC0)

384 too late for Rubio to run for reelection?

Posted by: Avi at February 20, 2016 08:37 PM (fijdj)

385
Let's draw cards for the presidency.

Posted by: Hillary's Magician Friend at February 20, 2016 08:37 PM (ODxAs)

386 Because they are human beings?

So are a billion Chinamen.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 08:37 PM (rwI+c)

387 People have voted for a reality television show?

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 08:37 PM (sj3Ax)

388 I fully expect Ted Cruz to be sitting behind a sign on Nov 9 that says "Office of the Vice President Elect"

You'll get your Trump but you will have to wait to get your Cruz.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Yada, yada, yada.... at February 20, 2016 08:38 PM (WVsWD)

389 A million bucks from daddy doesn't hurt as a start. Nor do lawsuits and bribes.
>>>

Just think about what I could have become with that kind of seed money

Posted by: Bernie the crappy carpenter Sanders. at February 20, 2016 08:38 PM (r6bSH)

390 Here comes Jeb....

Posted by: Tami at February 20, 2016 08:38 PM (v0/PR)

391 For Trump to reach 50% and above, he'll need about half and Cruz and Carson's supporters. Definitely within the realm of possibilities despite the harsh rhetoric.

Posted by: AuH2O at February 20, 2016 08:38 PM (DEJix)

392 I just want to know where Quicksilver got a walkman with cassette tapes in 1969

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 08:38 PM (39g3+)

393 BUSH IS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: John Wesley Hardin at February 20, 2016 08:38 PM (8CdUx)

394 Jeb suspending campaign.

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 08:38 PM (sj3Ax)

395 Oh, and fuck Karl Rove.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 08:38 PM (9ym/8)

396 You know, after this disaster tonight, after Lindsey Graham, that walking disappointment Trey Gowdy and what happened in Mississippi, Im not so sure that the South deserves it reputation as being this bastion of conservatism. Really, Im getting sick of it. At this point, Id like to drop a nuke on the entire Republican Party.

Cruz 2020!

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 20, 2016 08:39 PM (V92QD)

397 361
The VA needs W.T. Sherman, not Mr. Rogers.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2016 08:33 PM (Wckf4)


This. Eliminate the VA, and give veterans vouchers for private health care.

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2016 08:39 PM (sdi6R)

398 Here's how they call races. They look at historical data, especially counties with large populations. As the results come in, it's compared to the historical stuff to see the trends. That's how they decide to call it.

Don't forget that Perot got a large number of West Coast votes because they called the election for Clinton, while we were still voting! At that point, Perot was the FU vote and got more than he would have if it had been close.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at February 20, 2016 08:39 PM (Lqy/e)

399 Republican Base Waxes Bush

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2016 08:39 PM (6FqZa)

400 Country is now populated by an increasing number of old people who are scared of their own shadows. Real change frightens the hell out of them.

Stand up and salute the Old Morons here who look the future in the eye with a sneer on their lips and a raspy curse.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 20, 2016 08:39 PM (CWvyb)

401 A million to a billion is 1/1000. So it's like Daddy left him a grand and he turned it into a million.

Daddy left 1000 grand, and he turned every one of those 1000 grand into millions.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 08:39 PM (dvuhZ)

402 Jeb suspending campaign.

For this, I thank Trump.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 08:39 PM (rwI+c)

403 Cruz won't help Trump as VP, he'd be a liability. Trump can win FL without Rubio. Kasich is an interesting choice to put Midwest states into play. Ohio is what Florida used to be.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 20, 2016 08:34 PM (rs5De)


Ironically, only Trump could pick Kasich and move the ticket right.

Posted by: steveegg at February 20, 2016 08:39 PM (cL79m)

404 Jeb at 8.6%. Reminds me of the dead possum we tossed into the underbrush last spring. A turkey buzzard kept dragging it out onto the lawn to feed.

Posted by: Miley's Tongue dba Ylva of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy at February 20, 2016 08:39 PM (odjaN)

405 390 Here comes Jeb....
Posted by: Tami at February 20, 2016 08:38 PM (v0/PR)

Give it up Jeb

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 20, 2016 08:39 PM (voOPb)

406 Looks like Rubio will pick up Jeb's 8%

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 20, 2016 08:39 PM (T78UI)

407 There goes Bush.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 20, 2016 08:39 PM (/tuJf)

408 Bush is out?

Bush is OUT?!

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 08:39 PM (SRv8e)

409 Bush dropping out!

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 20, 2016 08:40 PM (1xUj/)

410 Because they are human beings?

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 08:36 PM (tJipK)


Doesn't alter the fact that they are invaders and parasites. Turf 'em out, politely.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 08:40 PM (afR/C)

411 Trump's running mate should be Walker.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2016 08:30 PM (6FqZa)

------------------------
I think it should be someone Trump might actually take advice from. Don't know who that would be besides Melania.

Posted by: iforgot at February 20, 2016 08:40 PM (YOxw1)

412

see Rubio is the natrual inheritor of Bush voters.

If Rubio had Bushes 8 percent in SC,

he still loses to Trump

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:40 PM (zOTsN)

413 Ricardo,
Karl Rove is a bigger jerk than we know. I've been reading Cruz book.
Cruz doesn't knock him, I get pissed off at what Cruz wrote about Karl!

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 08:40 PM (sj3Ax)

414
jim-geraghty

Jeb and Right to Rise spent about $150 million to finish 6th, 4th, and then 4th.

http://bit.ly/1TszYSa



Ouch.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 08:40 PM (kdS6q)

415 Republican Base Waxes Bush

Okay, I guffawed.

Posted by: no good deed at February 20, 2016 08:40 PM (GgxVX)

416 If Trump and Cruz create Trump/Cruz sooner rather than later they can defeat the gope machine.

If they were to announce it today, the primary process could end tomorrow.

Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2016 08:40 PM (oFSUK)

417 377 "why should I care about the disruption of non citizens lives?"


Because they are human beings?
Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 08:36 PM (tJipK)
***
Universal compassion is a central tenet of Buddhism, among other systems.... it is not, however, enshrined in our Constitution, nor is it one of the objects of American law.

The problems of the people of the world are not our responsibility; that some troubled and downtrodden souls broke any number of laws to make themselves a burden on this nation creates no obligation to them.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at February 20, 2016 08:41 PM (lutOX)

418 "Jeb suspending campaign."

Watching. No doubt he'll endorse dondi.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 08:41 PM (9ym/8)

419 Down goes Bush!
Down goes Bush!

Posted by: Avi at February 20, 2016 08:41 PM (fijdj)

420 Bye Jebbie, we hardly knew ye!

Posted by: Miley's Tongue dba Ylva of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy at February 20, 2016 08:41 PM (odjaN)

421 JEB is out!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 20, 2016 08:41 PM (kTF2Z)

422 How does Cruz spin tonight as something positive?

Posted by: AuH2O at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (DEJix)

423 This is getting awkward.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (/tuJf)

424 Jeb suspended campaign

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (AkOaV)

425

Jeb! choked up.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (qCMvj)

426 Bush suspending campaign.

Posted by: VBJonny at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (NX9H4)

427 Trump/Carson? That would be a hoot!

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (FtrY1)

428 Husband just called from Scout campout to see what happened. I just told him Jeb! is dropping out.

Jeebus. Is Jeb about to cry? Grow a pair, momma's boy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (FsuaD)

429 Or HHS...something that puts his considerable medical talents to good use in gov

You said, "talents" and "in government". I await the punchline.

Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (oFSUK)

430 But they've been hatin' on each other for a while now. Is such a ticket even possible?
Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2016 08:28 PM (sdi6R)

Yup...of course it is. In the adult world, we don't take things personal. It's business. Like Sonny told Michael and Tom told Sonny. Once this sham of a primary season is over Trump and Cruz will unite and smite those of lesser minds. One for the bombast and photo ops, and one for the knife in the dark when their enemies least expect it and with legal briefs to back it up. See, all legal like.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (ej1L0)

431 Dad was pretty locked in for Cruz but now supports Mario as well. Because....? Electable!

-
Rombly's big selling point in 2012 was that he was electable.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (Nwg0u)

432 Holy Sheet, Bush is OUT!

Posted by: Farmer at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (o/90i)

433 Watching. No doubt he'll endorse dondi.

I hope endorses the Postman's Son. He's a steam powered wrecking machine.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (rwI+c)

434 AOP, arguing with chemjeff on this is pointless. He engages in rhetoric, not facts. Your time is better spent reading "SJWs Always Lie", which last chapter discusses that. Or go straight to the Aristotle on rhetoric (which I should probably do too).

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (6FqZa)

435
Something is screwed up at the DD.

A minute ago they showed Cruz taking Cherokee County with 55% of the vote with 100% of the polls reporting.

Now, suddenly, Trump won with 42%.

I'm gonna have to start taking the DD numbers with a grain of salt.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (RcpcZ)

436 Republican Base Waxes Bush


oh my.

Posted by: eleven at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (qUNWi)

437 One political dynasty down..... Come on James Comey! Let's do this!

Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (7vTEZ)

438 Vaya con Dios Jeb!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (EZebt)

439 "What reform is needed besides simply enforcing the law and
securing the border?"


Well for starters the legal immigration system is a burning dumpster fire train wreck of suckitude

Plus I would not mind seeing the rules for temporary visas, H1B and the like, tightened up and more directly tied to economic conditions in this country

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 08:43 PM (tJipK)

440 Bring out yer Bush! Bring out yer Bush!

Honestly, Jeb! Dropping out is an act of love.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 08:43 PM (pUDQf)

441 Because they are human beings?

Posted by: chemjeff>>>

Well shit yes regardless of the harm to other human beings.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 08:43 PM (r6bSH)

442 Shit Mario is now ahead of Cruz by a few hundred votes.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at February 20, 2016 08:43 PM (r6ujM)

443 waxing Bush was an act of love

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:43 PM (zOTsN)

444 Ted Cruz absolutely, 100%, will not take a V.P. offer. Everything I've heard from him portends going back into the Senate.

...just to be a pain-in-the-ass to McTurtle.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 20, 2016 08:43 PM (OQ9R7)

445 So, who's going to get Jeb's! supporters?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:43 PM (FsuaD)

446 Bush got licked after all.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 08:44 PM (SRv8e)

447 Woot! Rubio / Rove 2016!

Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 08:44 PM (7vTEZ)

448 If they were to announce it today, the primary process could end tomorrow.

Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2016 08:40 PM (oFSUK)
_____

If Cruz is as smart as people say, he ll stay away from that ticket as far as possible.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 20, 2016 08:44 PM (V92QD)

449 For those who think they might have a hard time pulling the lever for Trump if he makes it to the general election, consider:

President Mrs. Bill Clinton/ Chelseas Mom/ Humas Girlfriend

President Bernie Free Sh*t No Real Job Till 40 Sanders

Personally, I think my cat could do a better job than the two above.

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at February 20, 2016 08:44 PM (7FH+T)

450 I love how on these threads people who have never posted before, it seems, suddenly show up to say how Cruz is ineligible. LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2016 08:44 PM (w4NZ8)

451 but Rubio is just Jeb lite, without executive experience

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:44 PM (zOTsN)

452
417 377 "why should I care about the disruption of non citizens lives?"


Because they are human beings?
Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 08:36 PM (tJipK)
***
Universal compassion is a central tenet of Buddhism, among other systems.... it is not, however, enshrined in our Constitution, nor is it one of the objects of American law.

The problems of the people of the world are not our responsibility; that some troubled and downtrodden souls broke any number of laws to make themselves a burden on this nation creates no obligation to them.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at February 20, 2016 08:41 PM (lutOX)

My compassion goes to my fellow Americans first.

Everyone else is way behind.

People who are here sponging off our Nation get nothing from me.

Go the fuck home.

Posted by: eman at February 20, 2016 08:44 PM (MQEz6)

453 Welp, looks like my nic campaign worked. But if he endorses Dondi, then he's a bigger POS than I always thought him to be.

Posted by: Stay out da Bushes at February 20, 2016 08:44 PM (rZJS9)

454 Shut up, Jeb.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 08:44 PM (9ym/8)

455 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 08:39 PM (dvuhZ)

He got a lot more than a million from his dad. He also had his dad as a business partner. Not a bad fail safe.

That said, money doesn't determine whether one is intelligent or not. I will say that Trump's motor , as Adam Carolla calls it, is in the top 1%.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 20, 2016 08:44 PM (MNgU2)

456 "but I have to say he's kind of screwed himself with some sleazy moves."

*sigh*

So the narrative was effective.

Posted by: Lauren at February 20, 2016 08:04 PM (0C2f1)

Yeah, reason #46,002 why there's no hope.

Posted by: Blano at February 20, 2016 08:44 PM (heN73)

457 Because they are human beings?

So's everyone we throw in prison. Break the law, face the consequences. That's not heartless, its just.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 08:44 PM (39g3+)

458 Accent marks and inverted question marks omitted, as they would become undefined characters on the comments page.

In comments, we can use them if we use the &-#-code-; format, ¡Jeb, niños! - but of course that requires either looking up and using the code, or (what I did here) running text through the unicode-to-pixy translator at bit.ly/pixyize. One more step, always fun.

I presume this works on the post on the comments page and they would still show up fine on the front page.

Nice to note the concern, in any case, over preventing the vulgar black diamond plague.

Posted by: mindful webworker - technically squeaking at February 20, 2016 08:44 PM (ACs58)

459 Plus I would not mind seeing the rules for temporary
visas, H1B and the like, tightened up and more directly tied to
economic conditions in this country

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 08:43 PM (tJipK)

H1B visas are tied to domestic economic activity - STEM wages are too high.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 20, 2016 08:44 PM (T78UI)

460 Dammit, Jeb. Your dad isn't the greatest man alive. Put a sock in it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:44 PM (FsuaD)

461
Erick Erickson

Good luck and God speed @JebBush


Rich Lowry

Jeb is an honorable man who has run an honorable campaign and now doing the honorable thing


Abby Huntsman

Have to say my heart breaks for Jeb and his family tonight.



OFFS.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 08:44 PM (kdS6q)

462 Jeb is suspending his campaign! Hallelujah! The missiles are flying!

Posted by: Joan Walsh at February 20, 2016 08:44 PM (4ErVI)

463
Holy Sheet, Bush is OUT!>>>

He has admitted he is Gay?

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 08:45 PM (r6bSH)

464 The conservative candidate got 25% in SC not so good

Posted by: Terry at February 20, 2016 08:45 PM (2u0vC)

465 ANd, with Melania, we'd have a genuine FLILF. Or FLOTUSILF.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 08:45 PM (dvuhZ)

466 Jeb.

What to say?

Posted by: L, Elle at February 20, 2016 08:45 PM (2x3L+)

467 Ted Cruz absolutely, 100%, will not take a V.P. offer. Everything I've heard from him portends going back into the Senate.

Governor in 2022. President of the Republic of Texas in 2023.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 08:45 PM (rwI+c)

468 Wow, wow, wow! Bush is suspending his grind at 8.3%. Lindsay, take a bow.

Posted by: Fritz at February 20, 2016 08:45 PM (BngQR)

469 Jeb suspended campaign

WHich helps RUbio a lot. Cruz will either have to come to Trump, hat in hand, or play to the death.

Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2016 08:45 PM (oFSUK)

470 So after the attacks on Mario, Jeb would now endorse him?

Posted by: Miley's Tongue dba Ylva of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy at February 20, 2016 08:45 PM (odjaN)

471 I'd rather have Cruz busting balls in the senate than worthless VP

Posted by: Ololiuqui at February 20, 2016 08:45 PM (s6/4z)

472 Man who posited "doing it without the base" strategy ends with predictable result

Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 08:45 PM (7vTEZ)

473 Who does Jeb hate more: Trump or his back-stabbing protégé, Marco. Will he endorse any one?

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 20, 2016 08:46 PM (rs5De)

474 Buh bye, Jeb

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at February 20, 2016 08:46 PM (/HC6x)

475 AOP, arguing with chemjeff on this is pointless. He engages in rhetoric, not facts. Your time is better spent reading "SJWs Always Lie", which last chapter discusses that. Or go straight to the Aristotle on rhetoric (which I should probably do too).

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (6FqZa)


Heh. Chemjeff ought to start mainlining Bar's Leaks. That heart of his is bleeding badly.


Hey, i wonder if Moses shows up, will Jebbie dive into the hotel pool, just in case?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 08:46 PM (afR/C)

476 I hope Carson drops out now.

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 08:46 PM (sj3Ax)

477 432 Holy Sheet, Bush is OUT!
Posted by: Farmer at February 20, 2016 08:42 PM (o/90i)



Did he quit, finally?

Awwwww......

douche.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at February 20, 2016 08:46 PM (zYV5P)

478 Okay, Jeb done.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 08:46 PM (9ym/8)

479 445 So, who's going to get Jeb's! supporters?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:43 PM (FsuaD)


Dunno but the candidate going after all five of them will have to promise something big.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 20, 2016 08:46 PM (4ErVI)

480 Personally, I think my cat could do a better job than the two above.

Yeah, but unlike Democratic politicians, your cat is a semi-feral animal who only pretends to care in order to get free food.

... I might have lost my train of thought for a moment

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 20, 2016 08:46 PM (6FqZa)

481 Very nice speech by Bush.

Posted by: Joanne at February 20, 2016 08:47 PM (hgBpU)

482 Low energy concession.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 08:47 PM (pUDQf)

483 Well, smart move for him since his campaign is broke and before he loses Florida

Posted by: L, Elle at February 20, 2016 08:47 PM (2x3L+)

484 I feel rather sorry for Jeb. I think he is a decent man, and I think he respects America for what it is. If he had Cruz's political philosophy and less baggage, he might well have been my guy, Bush or no.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 20, 2016 08:47 PM (RrDm2)

485
439 "What reform is needed besides simply enforcing the law and
securing the border?"


Well for starters the legal immigration system is a burning dumpster fire train wreck of suckitude

Plus I would not mind seeing the rules for temporary visas, H1B and the like, tightened up and more directly tied to economic conditions in this country
Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 08:43 PM (tJipK)

Sure, but none of that is connected to amnesty or to booting out illegals or to securing the border.

Posted by: eman at February 20, 2016 08:47 PM (MQEz6)

486 Who will next get the coveted Lindsey Graham endorsement?

Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 08:47 PM (7vTEZ)

487 472 Man who posited "doing it without the base" strategy ends with predictable result

Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 08:45 PM (7vTEZ)


Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 20, 2016 08:47 PM (4ErVI)

488 Jeb voters will split between Rubio and Kasich.

Posted by: blaster at February 20, 2016 08:47 PM (2Ocf1)

489 445 So, who's going to get Jeb's! supporters?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:43 PM (FsuaD)


Rubio, I'm sure.

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2016 08:48 PM (sdi6R)

490 I guess coming out at the beginning of the campaign and saying ignoring the base will be your strategy wasn't such a bright idea.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 20, 2016 08:48 PM (CWvyb)

491 I am guessing Jeb's voters will go to Rubio.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 20, 2016 08:48 PM (hVdx9)

492 Very nice speech by Bush.

***

A class act, indeed

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2016 08:48 PM (8PbKi)

493 This whole election for me has felt like a guy hand cuffed to a chair being tortured. They keep asking me for answers but keep beating me no matter what I say.
Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 08:24 PM (r6bSH)
***
Is it safe?

https://youtu.be/kzw1_2b-I7A

-
I was thinking more Reservoir Dogs and the ear-cutting scene.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 20, 2016 08:48 PM (Nwg0u)

494 chem jeff is honest about his beliefs, which I appreciate. he is a very nice person. I am not that nice, and I am ok with that

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:48 PM (zOTsN)

495 See! Mama knew best.

Posted by: Barbara Bush, who told him initially not to run at February 20, 2016 08:48 PM (H9MG5)

496 and thus ends the Titanic Struggle for fourth place.....



Posted by: John Wesley Hardin at February 20, 2016 08:48 PM (8CdUx)

497 I hope Carson drops out now.

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 08:46 PM (sj3Ax)

Nope. Said he's staying in.

Posted by: Joanne at February 20, 2016 08:48 PM (hgBpU)

498 Fox now paying homage to Jeb like the big cocksuckers they are

Posted by: L, Elle at February 20, 2016 08:48 PM (2x3L+)

499 Bush dragged Rubio through burning hot coals. Every mailer I got from Bush was fire and brimstone against Rubio. Nobody but Rubio, all the time. If he endorses him, that'd be pretty ironic. Of course, I guess he'll endorse who he's told to endorse.

Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun! at February 20, 2016 08:49 PM (pVkEV)

500 I'd rather have Cruz busting balls in the senate than worthless VP


Posted by: Ololiuqui at February 20, 2016 08:45 PM (s6/4z)
Also leaves Cruz open for a black dress when SCOTUS get ten more slots created.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 20, 2016 08:49 PM (T78UI)

501 No flaming skull for Jebpockolypse?

Posted by: Spartan Fan at February 20, 2016 08:49 PM (eZG4P)

502 Well, smart move for him since his campaign is broke and before he loses Florida

Some time back I predicted Jeb! would drop out after doing poorly in SC, rather than have the shame of coming in 3rd in his home state.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 08:49 PM (rwI+c)

503 Jeb quitting just proves one thing: crappy campaigns don't win.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at February 20, 2016 08:49 PM (/HC6x)

504 JEB IS OUT?! JEB IS OUT?!!!!

Posted by: @votermom at February 20, 2016 08:49 PM (cbfNE)

505 where are Trumps stats.
and where are Cruz's stats

please please have them be the two top

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2016 08:49 PM (L1+sh)

506 479 445 So, who's going to get Jeb's! supporters?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:43 PM (FsuaD)


Dunno but the candidate going after all five of them will have to promise something big.


Heh

Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 08:49 PM (7vTEZ)

507 Ted 2 points up on Marco Roboto now??

Hope that holds up.

Posted by: Blano at February 20, 2016 08:49 PM (heN73)

508 Jeb will always have that tippy toe pic to remember his campaign by.

Posted by: eleven at February 20, 2016 08:49 PM (qUNWi)

509 I hope Carson drops out now.
Posted by: Carol
------

Carson is angry. He's discovered that politics is not a game for wholesome people, or at least not for wholesome people who have not become inured to it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 20, 2016 08:49 PM (RrDm2)

510 Fox utters "Bush fatigue"

In surprise.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (9ym/8)

511 Jebs votes go to Rubio and Rubio still lsoes to Trump

last I saw Trump owned FL

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (zOTsN)

512 I like Cruz better in congress anyway. And if he continues to show strong standing in the election and get delegates, that gives him power in the party and makes him someone they have to reckon with.

Its still early but his inability to pull at least a clear 2nd hurts Cruz a lot. I don't see him winning. It looked like, based on the nearly wall-to-wall polling lead Trump had he'd just about run the board and its turning out that way early on here.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (39g3+)

513 This Rubio-Cruz race is ridiculously close.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (/tuJf)

514 Cruz and Rubio have a viable path forward Bush and Kasich votes will go to Rubio. Rubio will shoot up to the mid-30s or higher. Trump may start lagging Rubio. If Trump is no longer viewed as inevitable, some Trump voters will bail and go to Cruz. The issue is how quickly all this happens. If Rubio wins big on March 1, the Trump voters could move over fairly quickly, or at least enough to put Cruz above Trump. Then it'll be a real free for all. I don't think Trump's as inevitable as everyone thinks. The key is whether Jeb! bails now or waits until after March 1.

Posted by: Martian Wonder at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (hxoxN)

515 Man. Trump first and Rubio possibly second.

There are a lot of fucking retards in South Carolina. I mean, Trump and Rubio must be busing in retards. It must be like the Dunkirk Evacuation of retards.

Posted by: Jason M at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (4oYqL)

516 c'mon cruz

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (0O7c5)

517 DD showing Cruz in second for a little while now. Biggest lead I have seen for him over Rubio.

Posted by: blaster at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (2Ocf1)

518 In comments, we can use them if we use the &-#-code-; format, ¡Jeb, niños!

Yes but that still can't be cut-n-pasted because pixy is not pixy to pixy compatible.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (1xUj/)

519 Carson is to good to be in the wretched swamp.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (L1+sh)

520 Jeb loves America so much he wishes everybody could move here.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (T78UI)

521 I feel rather sorry for Jeb. I think he is a decent
man
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 20, 2016 08:47 PM (RrDm2)

Don't feel too bad. He got his exposure, soon he'll be doing luncheon speeches at Google and Citibank trashing conservatives as "extremists", which was his plan all along.

Posted by: Ololiuqui at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (s6/4z)

522 No more Bushes. Now, will no one rid us of the curse of the Clintons?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (FsuaD)

523 I wonder if Jeb endorses anybody? You know he hates Trump and Rubio.

Posted by: Dobby at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (b1uWI)

524 chem jeff is honest about his beliefs, which I appreciate. he is a very nice person.

He doesn't have much compassion for the hard hit American working class.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (rwI+c)

525 Oops I jinxed it.

Posted by: blaster at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (2Ocf1)

526 Carol - Can I prune roses at any time? I have one that has run amok, and has honeysuckle bound up in it. I would like to severely prune it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 20, 2016 08:51 PM (RrDm2)

527 If he had Cruz's political philosophy and less baggage, he might well have been my guy

If he were completely different, I would have liked him, too.

Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2016 08:51 PM (oFSUK)

528 At least Trump got the state right.

Posted by: Fritz at February 20, 2016 08:51 PM (BngQR)

529 I'm voting Trump! No more Bush/Clinton nonsense.

Posted by: Barbara Bush at February 20, 2016 08:51 PM (m0JA3)

530 And now it's Orange Oompa Loompa time. Sigh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:51 PM (FsuaD)

531 I'll admit it - I wouldn't have minded seeing Jeb!'s humiliation continue for another few states.


I'm not proud of that, but there it is.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2016 08:51 PM (Wckf4)

532 chem jeff is honest about his beliefs, which I appreciate. he is a very nice person.

He doesn't have much compassion for the hard hit American working class.
Posted by: Grump928(C

true. thats where my compassion lay

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:51 PM (zOTsN)

533 Okay, never mind. Jeb is out. Good.

Posted by: Martian Wonder at February 20, 2016 08:52 PM (hxoxN)

534 Jeb couldn't fix it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 20, 2016 08:52 PM (4ErVI)

535 So, who's going to get Jeb's! supporters?


Rumor has it that, five of the six will go to Habla Marco.

The last one was seen screaming "Feel the Bern"!!1111! as he ran off, into the night.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at February 20, 2016 08:52 PM (zYV5P)

536 chem jeff is honest about his beliefs, which I appreciate. he is a very nice person. I am not that nice, and I am ok with that
Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:48 PM (zOTsN)

Sure but I'd rather not nice person than passive aggressive person.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 20, 2016 08:52 PM (MNgU2)

537 Who does Jeb hate more: Trump or his back-stabbing protege, Marco. Will he endorse any one?

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 20, 2016 08:46 PM (rs5De)
_____

Nah, I dont think there will be any endorsement. They called Rubio "Judas" at Jeb HQ for gods sake. The Bush mafia people are probably not of the forgiving kind.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 20, 2016 08:52 PM (V92QD)

538 Carson is a decent man, but his buthurtness over Iowa is a little much, and come on dude.... duuuude. No way forward, so get out

Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 08:52 PM (7vTEZ)

539 I don't know why everyone is celebrating Jeb's departure except for spite. All this does is consolidate the Establishment behind Rubio while the anti-Establishment is still split between Trump and Cruz. Yay I guess.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at February 20, 2016 08:52 PM (2ZSG5)

540 ***"He doesn't have much compassion for the hard hit American working class."***


Wait, virtue-signalling doesn't count?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2016 08:53 PM (Wckf4)

541 BUSH DROPS OUT!

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 20, 2016 08:53 PM (kKHcp)

542 I had a feeling the Jeb thing wasn't working.

Posted by: Lamar! at February 20, 2016 08:53 PM (CWvyb)

543 There are a lot of fucking retards in South Carolina. I mean, Trump and Rubio must be busing in retards. It must be like the Dunkirk Evacuation of retards.
Posted by: Jason M at
--------------

SC has gained 3,000,000 people since the last election. Where did they come from? The NE, Midwest, and Upper Midwest.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 20, 2016 08:53 PM (RrDm2)

544 Very nice speech by Bush.

***

A class act, indeed
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse



Yes. Whatever else you say about them, the Bushes have class.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 20, 2016 08:53 PM (1xUj/)

545 He doesn't have much compassion for the hard hit American working class.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (rwI+c)


Nothing a big injection of Mexicans with advanced degrees in chemistry couldn't fix.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 20, 2016 08:53 PM (4ErVI)

546 I'm not sure if endorsements make any slightest difference, but I'm confident that people who wanted Bush in office will almost all turn to Rubio as their second choice. That gives him enough of a percentage surge to surpass Cruz unless he can do something smart.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 08:53 PM (39g3+)

547

Jeb's good looking son. You will see him in the future. He doesnt seem all that bright, and his name is George

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:53 PM (zOTsN)

548 Quiet! Hooters is speaking. shhh!

Posted by: Fritz at February 20, 2016 08:53 PM (BngQR)

549 Trump takes Lt. Governor over Haley. heh.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 08:53 PM (9ym/8)

550 No more Bushes. Now, will no one rid us of the curse of the Clintons?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (FsuaD)



Well if the government actually did it job the Beast would be in jail

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 20, 2016 08:53 PM (45oDG)

551 This is awful.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 20, 2016 08:53 PM (/tuJf)

552 465 ANd, with Melania, we'd have a genuine FLILF. Or FLOTUSILF.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 08:45 PM (dvuhZ)

--In Rubio's defense, his wife is also a looker.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 08:54 PM (SRv8e)

553 251 Mr electability wont even win FL
Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:15 PM (zOTsN)


Dirty secret the Ruboto boosters won't admit to: Dondi isn't running for reelection to the Senate, not because of his bullshit excuse about frustration and gridlock, but because the people here in FL are pissed as hell at him and he very likely wouldn't win.

As a Floridian, I will never again vote for that lying, backstabbing, amnesty shill. Ever. And I know an absolute buttload of Rs that feel exactly the same way.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at February 20, 2016 08:54 PM (KkVB6)

554 Trump has no humility. It's both a plus and a negative.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at February 20, 2016 08:54 PM (/HC6x)

555 522 No more Bushes. Now, will no one rid us of the curse of the Clintons?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (FsuaD)


Workin' on it...............

Posted by: Septungenarian Masturabtin' Hippie!!!1111, FreEsHit!!!!! Forever! at February 20, 2016 08:54 PM (zYV5P)

556 I feel rather sorry for Jeb.>>>

Yeah living on a unemployment check and keeping up with his families bills is gonna suck.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 08:54 PM (r6bSH)

557 BTH I am disappointed if you think I am some sort of SJW, I am not.

all I ask is the golden rule, really, treat others as you yourself would like to be treated.

the government is complicit in the problem with DACA peeps, first by not enforcing the immigration law, then by offering this fake executive amnesty. if government then rescinds DACA, which I certainly hope it does, then it ought to do so respectfully.

I don't go in for the dehumanization rhetoric of illegals, that isn't right to me.

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 08:54 PM (tJipK)

558 Trump showcasing hot wife and beautiful daughter

Posted by: L, Elle at February 20, 2016 08:54 PM (2x3L+)

559 Nah, I dont think there will be any endorsement. They called Rubio "Judas" at Jeb HQ for gods sake. The Bush mafia people are probably not of the forgiving kind.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 20, 2016 08:52 PM (V92QD)


The Bush mafia are either pinhead strivers in jackets with patches on the elbows or octogenarians about to take the Big Sleep.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 20, 2016 08:54 PM (4ErVI)

560 I'm not sure if endorsements make any slightest difference, but I'm confident that people who wanted Bush in office will almost all turn to Rubio as their second choice. That gives him enough of a percentage surge to surpass Cruz unless he can do something smart.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor

yup

this will hurt Cruz, but it will not help Rubio beat Trump. there are not very many Bush voters, somewhere between 4 and 8 percent

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:55 PM (zOTsN)

561 It must be like the Dunkirk Evacuation of retards.


Posted by: Jason M at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (4oYqL)


yes, those men died so a genius in 2016 could compare them to Trump voters

Posted by: John Wesley Hardin at February 20, 2016 08:55 PM (8CdUx)

562 I can't believe Ace doesn't have a flaming skull post for Bush dropping out..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 20, 2016 08:55 PM (UpGcq)

563 Grump, i guees many don't realize the lost homes, the lost savings , the loss of their children having a better life then them,
now it's all courtesy to strangers arriving illegally, from the M.E to the southern border.
there is a cost but if it doesn't Cost Them,
woopty do i guess.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2016 08:55 PM (L1+sh)

564 Either Marco Rubio or no one.

Posted by: Geoffrey at February 20, 2016 08:55 PM (LoRcb)

565 But yeah, I'm thinking that Jebs constituency would gravitate to Rubio, as they are more alike than not.

Bush just trashed Rubio because he felt the young upstart was taking his votes. And he was right.


Now go away. No more Bushes.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 20, 2016 08:55 PM (kKHcp)

566 Well we settled that little "grooming" question from last night's ONT. No Bush.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 08:55 PM (dvuhZ)

567 Carson campaign screwed up be telling CNN & he should have retracted that statement.

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 08:55 PM (sj3Ax)

568 And I am glad Jeb is out. it is long past time.

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 08:55 PM (tJipK)

569 So, will Jeb! endorse Hillary! Or Benie!

/inquiring minds want to know

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at February 20, 2016 08:55 PM (7FH+T)

570 I think Jeb will cooperate. He has plans for his son who already hold office in Texas

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:55 PM (zOTsN)

571 Has Kasuck definitely said he's staying in?

Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 08:55 PM (7vTEZ)

572 Carson is a decent man, but his buthurtness over Iowa is a little much, and come on dude.... duuuude. No way forward, so get out

I agree, he needs to step back and be gracious about it. His ego needs to be put aside, too. Ridiculous how he went on and on about that.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 08:56 PM (39g3+)

573 Jeebus. I can't listen to this.

Back to the book.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2016 08:56 PM (FsuaD)

574 ***"I don't go in for the dehumanization rhetoric of illegals, that isn't right to me."***


If anyone here were doing that, you might have a point.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2016 08:56 PM (Wckf4)

575 Now if some of we morons had been in SC rather than the NE or Midwest we'd be voting for Cruz instead of Rubio. Heck in SC the vote would make a difference; It won't in NJ.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2016 08:56 PM (w4NZ8)

576
A quick analysis shows Rubio doing best in the urban areas of South Carolina, where government is big. That makes sense. As Vic says, once a city's population goes over 30,000 the city goes to hell.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 20, 2016 08:56 PM (RcpcZ)

577 I can't believe Trump won it

Posted by: L, Elle at February 20, 2016 08:56 PM (2x3L+)

578 Well if the government actually did it job the Beast would be in jail
Posted by: TheQuietMan
---------------

*keening, weeping*

Why do you hate me?
Oh... you're talking about Hillary. Never mind.

Posted by: Bowe Bergdahl at February 20, 2016 08:56 PM (RrDm2)

579 Rubio lied? The deuce you say? Rubio lied? Next you'll tell me Trump is a RINO douschebag.

Posted by: Geoffrey at February 20, 2016 08:56 PM (LoRcb)

580 As a Floridian, I will never again vote for that
lying, backstabbing, amnesty shill. Ever. And I know an absolute
buttload of Rs that feel exactly the same way.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at February 20, 2016 08:54 PM (KkVB6)

I second that

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 20, 2016 08:57 PM (T78UI)

581 Trump will win the sixth NY borough, Florida.

Posted by: Mad Rockatansky at February 20, 2016 08:57 PM (MNgU2)

582 If anyone here were doing that, you might have a point.

Shh. Dr. Softhands is rolling.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 08:57 PM (rwI+c)

583 Trump says same BS all the time.
I'm not listening to this clown.

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 08:57 PM (sj3Ax)

584 President Bernie Free Sh*t No Real Job Till 40 Sanders

-
And that's true only if mayor of socialistville qualifies as a real job.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 20, 2016 08:57 PM (Nwg0u)

585 I'm just glad Bush is out. That's half the formula, now for no more Clintons.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 08:58 PM (39g3+)

586 566 Well we settled that little "grooming" question from last night's ONT. No Bush.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 08:55 PM (dvuhZ)


Golf clap

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 08:58 PM (pUDQf)

587 MUMR is back!

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 08:58 PM (sj3Ax)

588 I don't go in for the dehumanization rhetoric of illegals, that isn't right to me.>>>

Yeah La Raza doesn't do anything like that at all.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 08:58 PM (r6bSH)

589 This Floridian won't be voting for Rubes again either.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2016 08:58 PM (Wckf4)

590 Scalia dying didn't get the burning skull. Why would Bush's repeated 4th or worse finishes get one?

Bush, Carson, Kasuck are all done and have been for awhile.

One more establishmentarian to go.... and now the going gets tough

Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 08:58 PM (7vTEZ)

591 why is it that people that come from other countries in these times seeking a better life for themselves and their children vote for the same policies that took away their freedom and prosperity in the first place??

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2016 08:59 PM (L1+sh)

592 I'm just glad Bush is out. That's half the formula, now for no more Clintons.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 08:58 PM (39g3+)



Super Duper Delegates: That's not happening. Now pick a card

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 20, 2016 08:59 PM (45oDG)

593 Trump's SC speech is really good.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 08:59 PM (9ym/8)

594
S.E. Cupp*

If Jeb is dropping out, Rubio's lane just became wide open.

* (o)(o)



Jeb! was the only thing holding Dondi back!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 08:59 PM (kdS6q)

595 I will not support the preacher. If you do not like my man Rubio, pick someone else.

If you want Trump, fine you can have him. I would hate it. Just understand Cruz will not be the nominee.

Cruz is not the face of God. Preachers do not do things he did.

No preachers for President. Preachers for the pulpit.

Posted by: Arkansas Yankee at February 20, 2016 08:59 PM (Je4OY)

596 I've been a big Cruz supporter, but if he comes in third place in SC, it is time for him to bow out and endorse Trump.

It is time to teach the Establishment and their little pet, Rubio, a lesson that will last a generation.

Posted by: Benjamin Rand at February 20, 2016 08:59 PM (EcY3q)

597 *pushes Thorazine through USB to MUMR*

Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun! at February 20, 2016 08:59 PM (pVkEV)

598 I agree with Rubio that DACA should end in a manner that causes minimal disruption to those who are currently benefitting from it.

Those fuckers shouldn't be benefitting BECAUSE THEY DON'T FUCKING BELONG HERE!!!!!!!!!!

Why is that so hard to understand??

Posted by: Blano at February 20, 2016 08:59 PM (heN73)

599 I can't believe Trump won it
Posted by: L, Elle
-----------

Here's what I do not understand about Trump supporters; Do they think something different then I do about Trump, or do they feel something different?

That seems an oversimplification, but I don't know how else to get at it. I mean, do they think he is a conservative?

Posted by: Bowe Bergdahl at February 20, 2016 08:59 PM (RrDm2)

600 Megyn, please gimme a reason to take you back. Because I'm a giver and a forgiver.

Posted by: Fritz at February 20, 2016 09:00 PM (BngQR)

601 If I had the choice, Id rather have Rubio dropping out than Jeb. Bush is honest about his useless ideas and even DC conservatives get by now that they get into trouble with the base if they mindlessly follow a guy named Bush.

Rubio has still a conservative reputation. Conservative resistance in DC against a Rubio administration will be hard to organize.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 20, 2016 09:00 PM (V92QD)

602 Crap. Forgot to shed traitor sock.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 20, 2016 09:00 PM (RrDm2)

603
why is it that people that come from other countries in these times
seeking a better life for themselves and their children vote for the
same policies that took away their freedom and prosperity in the first
place??

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2016 08:59 PM (L1+sh)

Locusts

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 20, 2016 09:00 PM (T78UI)

604 Cruz is not the face of God. Preachers do not do things he did.

Is this a sock?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 09:00 PM (rwI+c)

605 Jeb is probably going to need his blankie and to crawl in bed with mommy to go to sleep tonight.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2016 09:00 PM (zt+N6)

606 its not inhumane to evict a squatter

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:01 PM (zOTsN)

607 "Sure, but none of that is connected to amnesty or to booting out
illegals or to securing the border."


No but they are IMO necessary components to immigration reform, which you asked about

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 09:01 PM (tJipK)

608 Posted by: Benjamin Rand at February 20, 2016 08:59 PM (Ec

If Cruz endorses Trump I will not vote for him when he's up for reelection.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 20, 2016 09:01 PM (MNgU2)

609 Looks like Cruz is going to be in second by a whisker, and the "Rubio train!!!!" cries will become as deafening as they are obnoxious.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 09:01 PM (39g3+)

610 Trump already said he'd pick a politician, since he is not one (till now). That was on Greta last night I think.

Walker sounds good but Trump will want to win union votes, and Walker is not that good on the stump. Kasich sounds best to me so far (in terms of gaining electoral votes) ... Cristy? nah.

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 20, 2016 09:01 PM (eUbDe)

611 There are a lot of gloomy new folks here that I'd like to take on a canoe trip.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 20, 2016 09:01 PM (OQ9R7)

612 Wait, was reading a book, Jeb called it?
If so Whoo Hoo!

Posted by: Skip the ace at February 20, 2016 09:01 PM (l+OuH)

613 Posted by: Martian Wonder at February 20, 2016 08:50 PM (hxoxN)


Yeah, I tend to agree, Rubio is at 16% and Bush/Carson/Kasich are about 20% combined, Trump is at 34%, hard to see many Bush/Carson/Kasich people going to Cruz so it's going to end up between Trump and Rubio.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at February 20, 2016 09:01 PM (AfES1)

614 kindness is supporting your ideas, with Your own cash or labor.
it isn't kind to make everyone around you , those that lose much more in the cost of your kindness.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2016 09:02 PM (L1+sh)

615 Preachers for the pulpit.

He's not a preacher; He is a Christian and didn't you notice-Rubio has repeatedly claimed to be one too?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2016 09:02 PM (w4NZ8)

616 Again, I've enjoyed a decent amount of his fights. But we now have a guy who said Bush lied us into Iraq, that blamed Bush for missing 9/11, and who just said he supported the individual mandate winning the SC primary. Just, goddamnit.

Posted by: AD at February 20, 2016 09:02 PM (QWY55)

617 526 Carol - Can I prune roses at any time? I have one that has run amok, and has honeysuckle bound up in it. I would like to severely prune it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 20, 2016 08:51 PM (RrDm2)


I think that's the most off-topic post I've ever seen anywhere.

I'm not complaining or anything. I'm the King of off-topic. But damn.

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2016 09:02 PM (sdi6R)

618
John Nolte

Trump: "Politics is tough, it's mean it's nasty it's vicious. it's beautiful."



Poetry.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 09:02 PM (kdS6q)

619 If Cruz drops out, I'm going all in for the Rubes. Records don't matter, right?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 09:03 PM (pUDQf)

620
It looks like there's plenty of bad blood between Bush and Rubio so it's unlikely Marco will pick up the majority of Bush supporters. That's a good thing.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 20, 2016 09:03 PM (RcpcZ)

621 I will not support the preacher. If you do not like my man Rubio, pick someone else.

If you want Trump, fine you can have him. I would hate it. Just understand Cruz will not be the nominee.

Cruz is not the face of God. Preachers do not do things he did.

No preachers for President. Preachers for the pulpit.
Posted by: Arkansas Yankee at February 20, 2016 08:59 PM (Je4OY)

we arent voting for preacher and he isnt one. I am having difficultly following your argument. I guess Cruz isnt "godly" enough for you. Frnakly I dont give a shit about the candidates religion. We arent voting for preacher

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:03 PM (zOTsN)

622 Here's what I do not understand about Trump supporters; Do they think something different then I do about Trump, or do they feel something different?

^^^


My parents are both Trump people, and so is my grandma. It's the feels. He hit the right buttons with his comments about building the wall, illegals, and the trade stuff. They've been on the bandwagon ever since and talking to them about politics has been nothing but a constant stream of Trump sound bites. They won't even acknowledge what he said about the mandate, they've done an overnight about face on Iraq because of what he said. Basically just adopt all of his positions, whatever they happen to be that day.

Before I get flamed, please note I do not accuse every Trump supporter of this. This is just my anecdotal observances of my relatives that support Trump.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at February 20, 2016 09:03 PM (KkVB6)

623 Awwwww! Jeb just tweeted "Sorry, mom"

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2016 09:04 PM (8PbKi)

624 That seems an oversimplification, but I don't know how else to get at it. I mean, do they think he is a conservative?

Posted by: Bowe Bergdahl at February 20, 2016 08:59 PM (RrDm2)

Judging from the comments at Breitbart, they seem to be Jimmy Carter loving, Jew-hating 9/11 truthers with an axe to grind. Like Trump, I dont think they know or care what "conservative" means.Its a large block of voters who feel they've never had any representation in these elections before.

Posted by: Ololiuqui at February 20, 2016 09:04 PM (s6/4z)

625 Nope, Ace, your translation holds water.

Reviewing the whole section of the interview (cry for me I can't stand Ramos or how he talks) I will say that Rubio also talks about DACA not being a fixed law and later talks about simplifying an over-bureaucratic immigration system, but he does state bluntly that he is not talking about deporting so many millions of human beings.

I will add that I don't like Rubio, I think he is a two-faced flannel mouth liberal in the same vein as JFK, and that he will always refute his promises in the face of what he thinks is the currently acceptable answer.

But that is me.

By the way, Univision watchers don't much think of Rubio. I doubt they are natural conservatives.

Posted by: Kindltot at February 20, 2016 09:04 PM (q2o38)

626 Nobody is dehumanizing illegals.

We are pointing out that they deserve much less compassion than our fellow Ameicans.

Way less.

Posted by: eman at February 20, 2016 09:04 PM (MQEz6)

627 -Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:03 PM (zOTsN)

He doesn't know what he's talking about. He likes seeing his words appear on a screen.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 20, 2016 09:04 PM (OQ9R7)

628 "606 its not inhumane to evict a squatter"


No it isn't, I never said it was inhumane to evict a squatter

But the manner of eviction does matter

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 09:04 PM (tJipK)

629 >>> Posted by: Bowe Bergdahl at February 20, 2016 08:59
----
It's basically a love/hate relationship.
A high stakes gamble.
That's what Trump is for me.
Safe bet is Cruz



Posted by: L, Elle at February 20, 2016 09:04 PM (2x3L+)

630 Humungus/Toady'16: There will be an end to the horror.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 09:04 PM (rwI+c)

631 Again, I've enjoyed a decent amount of his fights. But we now have a guy who said Bush lied us into Iraq, that blamed Bush for missing 9/11, and who just said he supported the individual mandate winning the SC primary. Just, goddamnit.
Posted by: AD
--------------

Weirdly, folk who presumably are conservatives, are willing to vote for a Democrat, just to rub the GOPe's nose in it.

Doesn't bode well.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 20, 2016 09:04 PM (RrDm2)

632 Again, I've enjoyed a decent amount of his fights. But we now have a guy who said Bush lied us into Iraq, that blamed Bush for missing 9/11, and who just said he supported the individual mandate winning the SC primary. Just, goddamnit.

Posted by: AD at

GOPe has chosen the form of the destroyer

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:05 PM (zOTsN)

633 This Cruzzer is definitely headed to Trump.

At vile as the Donald can be at times, I would rather support him than a candidate who spits in the face of every American citizen who does not support amnesty and all the welfare goodies that go with it, Marco Rubio.

Posted by: Benjamin Rand at February 20, 2016 09:05 PM (EcY3q)

634 There are a lot of gloomy new folks here that I'd like to take on a canoe trip.

***

WTF is going on? Are they HA defectors? Have not figured out that mean-spirited is not a Moron virtue?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2016 09:05 PM (8PbKi)

635
it occurs to me they must be having a party at Conservative Treehouse

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:05 PM (zOTsN)

636
Matt Walsh*

I would have voted for Bush over Trump in a heartbeat. Not even a tough decision.

*Not the funny Matt Walsh. The member of The Blaze personality cult.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 09:05 PM (kdS6q)

637 No; I think because he's a Yankee his argument probably is that Cruz is too religious and that on tip of it he's a fake.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2016 09:05 PM (w4NZ8)

638 Mike Hammer,
You don't prune roses until forsythias bloom in your area. Now is NOT a good time.

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 09:05 PM (sj3Ax)

639 PLEASE don't let Boobio come in second.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 09:06 PM (SRv8e)

640 I don't go in for the dehumanization rhetoric of illegals, that isn't right to me.




If someone breaks into your home and demands that you feed, clothe and support them and law enforcement refuses to remove them. You'd be pissed. This is our country's situation.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 20, 2016 09:06 PM (45oDG)

641 But the manner of eviction does matter

Is there some pogrom going on that no one told me about?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 09:06 PM (rwI+c)

642 This Cruzzer is definitely headed to Trump.

At vile as the Donald can be at times, I would rather support him than a candidate who spits in the face of every American citizen who does not support amnesty and all the welfare goodies that go with it, Marco Rubio.

here here

Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 09:06 PM (7vTEZ)

643 So teh GOP race is now officially Brazillian hardwood.

If nothing else, this alone leaves me with this satisfying feeling.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at February 20, 2016 09:06 PM (D0J8L)

644 There are a lot of gloomy new folks here that I'd like to take on a canoe trip.

LOL; Guns and grumps overboard!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2016 09:06 PM (w4NZ8)

645 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 20, 2016 09:07 PM (KCxzN)

646 I suspected that Trump would gain momentum again after the Pope's ill-considered words by reminding everyone of immigration again, but I didn't expect him to get that much back. This bothers me, beause following his debate lunacy, it seems to legitimize the crazy stupid crap he vomited about 9/11, Bush, Iraq, and the rest.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 09:07 PM (39g3+)

647 So, SMOD is really an orange with a comb over? Lol

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 09:07 PM (pUDQf)

648 "WTF is going on? Are they HA defectors? Have not figured out that mean-spirited is not a Moron virtue?"
-Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2016 09:05 PM (8PbKi)

That's my guess.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 20, 2016 09:07 PM (OQ9R7)

649 "Those fuckers shouldn't be benefitting BECAUSE THEY DON'T
FUCKING BELONG HERE!!!!!!!!!!
Why is that so hard to understand??"


I agree that they don't belong here, that isn't the issue.

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 09:07 PM (tJipK)

650 615 Preachers for the pulpit.

He's not a preacher; He is a Christian and didn't you notice-Rubio has repeatedly claimed to be one too?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2016 09:02 PM (w4NZ

That only matters when Cruz says it. Just like voter mailers only matter when Cruz's camp sends them out, reporting about Carson in Iowa only counted when Cruz's campaign did it, etc and so on. No one ever gets onto Rubio's campaign for doing those things. It's all OK and just regular campaigning when Rubio does it, because he's sooooper handsome and talks pretty.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at February 20, 2016 09:07 PM (KkVB6)

651 There are a lot of gloomy new folks here that I'd like to take on a canoe trip.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 20, 2016 09:01 PM (OQ9R7)

They are commenters, not guns.



So they won't sink unless they're weighed down.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 20, 2016 09:07 PM (kKHcp)

652 Posted by: Benjamin Rand at February 20, 2016 09:05 PM (EcY3q)

So you didn't mind when Trump spit in your face in 2012 or when he advocated taking in Syrian refugees this year before he 'changed' his mind?

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 20, 2016 09:07 PM (MNgU2)

653 It looks like there's plenty of bad blood between Bush and Rubio so it's
unlikely Marco will pick up the majority of Bush supporters.

---------------------

Dunno about that. Bad blood between the candidates doesn't necessarily mean diehard supporters. Take me. I'll go Trump or Cruz, and those two are Hatfield and McCoy.

Posted by: iforgot at February 20, 2016 09:07 PM (YOxw1)

654 f Cruz drops out, I'm going all in for the Rubes. Records don't matter, right?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 09:03 PM (pUDQf)

tell me what damaging legislation Trump was responsible for

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:08 PM (zOTsN)

655 I'd prefer Cruz. I'd vote for Trump. Rubio is right out. No Amnesty.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at February 20, 2016 09:08 PM (HalrA)

656 I'd rather have Cruz but I can live with Turnip.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 20, 2016 09:08 PM (Nwg0u)

657 Trump remarks good.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 09:08 PM (9ym/8)

658 "why should I care about the disruption of non citizens lives?"


Because they are human beings?

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 08:36 PM (tJipK)

They are human beings participating in the destruction of this nation.

Fuck them all.

Posted by: Blano at February 20, 2016 09:08 PM (heN73)

659 But the manner of eviction does matter

Meh. Taking something away that was just recently granted is hardly some ghastly hardship. Especially since they oughtn't have had it to begin with.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 09:08 PM (39g3+)

660 630 Humungus/Toady'16: There will be an end to the horror.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 09:04 PM (rwI+c)
***
Wait til a few more of the primaries are over. Immortan Joe/Bullet Farmer still has a shot.

I support Humungus in his plan to make the guzzolene flow, but I think Joe has the best record on property-rights, and the Bullet Farmer is definitely a law-and-order kinda guy.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at February 20, 2016 09:08 PM (/33sy)

661 To put the border into perspective lets make it the front door of the company you work at. Yeah if it is only janitorial staff and you are an engineer not a big worry right? But if they can squat in your office what then? Any wall any locked door is a person/group protecting themselves from invaders. The closest neighborhood or county makes no diference You don't believe in a border you don't believe in putting your kids trike inside your garage.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 09:09 PM (r6bSH)

662 "No; I think because he's a Yankee his argument probably is that Cruz is too religious and that on tip of it he's a fake."
-Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2016 09:05 PM (w4NZ

Many, many religious, conservative Yankees amongst the Horde; Myself included.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 20, 2016 09:09 PM (OQ9R7)

663 do we yet know where Cruz is at (% )?

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2016 09:09 PM (L1+sh)

664 I'm not complaining or anything. I'm the King of off-topic. But damn.
Posted by: rickl
--------------

Well, I missed her on the gardening thread, so figured I would try to catch her here.

You are right, of course, to maintain seeming thread-relevance I should have thrown in something like, "Trump is a thorn in the side!"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 20, 2016 09:09 PM (RrDm2)

665 So you didn't mind when Trump spit in your face in 2012 or when he advocated taking in Syrian refugees this year before he 'changed' his mind?

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 20, 2016 09:07 PM (MNgU2)

I do not

these are the very same thing GOPE advocated. Rubio too. So I chose creative destruction

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:09 PM (zOTsN)

666 For anybody on the fence if comes down to Rubio vs. Trump, I'm confident the choice will become easy once the Establishment finally unloads their Old Boy Club wrath on Donald.

It will quickly become Establishment vs. SMOD and I don't have a lot of confidence in Rinse Penis and company....

Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 09:09 PM (7vTEZ)

667 "Rubio got his golden ticket tonight: a slew of Jeb donors who now are free to join. But is it in time?"

(Chuck Todd a few minutes ago via Twitter)

Time for some loin girding people. We're about to be treated to RINO Wars Episode V: The Establishment Strikes Back.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at February 20, 2016 09:09 PM (2ZSG5)

668 No way in Hell I vote for "Amnesty" Rubio. I'll stay home first and spend my time figuring out how to to go Galt.

I wish Cruz had punched Trump in the mouth when Trump called him a liar. Trump needs a good ass-kicking.

Posted by: mac at February 20, 2016 09:10 PM (ilMXv)

669 Carol - Got it.Thanks.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 20, 2016 09:10 PM (RrDm2)

670 ...So they won't sink unless they're weighed down."
-Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 20, 2016 09:07 PM (kKHcp)

*whistles*

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 20, 2016 09:10 PM (OQ9R7)

671 "f Cruz drops out, I'm going all in for the Rubes. Records don't matter, right? "


That's not cool. Rubio is a GOPe whore.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 09:10 PM (9ym/8)

672 73 percent of the vote in

rubio is .3 percent ahead of Cruz

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:10 PM (zOTsN)

673
John Nolte

By the way, according to the latest polls, Trump as a +22 point lead in Tueday's NV caucus.



Whatever. What we need to know is who's going to take the all important second place slot.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 09:10 PM (kdS6q)

674 Why no sympathy for legal immigrants?

Every time the govt panders to illegals, they are spitting in the faces of people who followed the rules.

Posted by: @votermom at February 20, 2016 09:10 PM (cbfNE)

675 Mike Hammer!

I said do Not Prune Roses Now up above!

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 09:10 PM (sj3Ax)

676 Awwwww! Jeb just tweeted "Sorry, mom"
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2016 09:04 PM (8PbKi)

And this is why he lost...grow the hell up already and grow a pair and be a man and leave your "momma" out of it.

Good night jebby, good night jebby, good night jebby,
I am glad to see you goooooooooooooo!
And take your shine box with you.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 20, 2016 09:11 PM (ej1L0)

677 "But we now have a guy who said Bush lied us into Iraq, that blamed Bush
for missing 9/11, and who just said he supported the individual mandate
winning the SC primary."

Trump said he "liked" the mandate but then said the very next day he was for the repeal of Obamacare in its entirety, mandate and all. Pick whichever Trump you like, or don't like.

As for Bush and Iraq, I'll just revoice again what ought to be a central point.

When intelligence on the invasion was so closely keyed to just two human sources, both of whom (Chalabi and "Curveball") turned out on examination to be ridiculously obvious flim-flam men, then in light of those facts, the word "lie" actually isn't much of a stretch to describe what Bush told the public.

Note that the lasting public affection for the House of Bush in the aftermath of the war was demonstrated again tonight. Please clap.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 20, 2016 09:11 PM (noWW6)

678 653 It looks like there's plenty of bad blood between Bush and Rubio so it's
unlikely Marco will pick up the majority of Bush supporters.

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Dunno about that. Bad blood between the candidates doesn't necessarily mean diehard supporters. Take me. I'll go Trump or Cruz, and those two are Hatfield and McCoy.
Posted by: iforgot at February 20, 2016 09:07 PM (YOxw1)


Bush and Rubio are both GOPe, so I think they're pretty much interchangeable to their supporters.

Likewise, if Cruz dropped out, many of his supporters would go to Trump, and vice versa.

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2016 09:11 PM (sdi6R)

679
649 "Those fuckers shouldn't be benefitting BECAUSE THEY DON'T
FUCKING BELONG HERE!!!!!!!!!!
Why is that so hard to understand??"


I agree that they don't belong here, that isn't the issue.
Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 09:07 PM (tJipK)

Oh, no.

You are quite wrong about that.

Posted by: eman at February 20, 2016 09:11 PM (MQEz6)

680 willow decisiondesk has rubio at 22.4

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 20, 2016 09:11 PM (0O7c5)

681 Bandersnatch: Yes but that still can't be cut-n-pasted because pixy is not pixy to pixy compatible.

'Struth. Has to be copy - paste to bit.ly/pixyize - copy result - paste to pixy.

And those without ampersands are SOL.

All because the encoding on comments pages is different from the encoding on the front page, for some inscrutable reason.

Posted by: mindful webworker - technically squeaking at February 20, 2016 09:11 PM (ACs58)

682 Weirdly, folk who presumably are conservatives, are willing to vote for a Democrat, just to rub the GOPe's nose in it.



Doesn't bode well.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 20, 2016 09:04 PM (RrDm2)


If the GOPe keeps giving us the Obama agenda shoveled right down our throats, then what's the damned difference? At worst, if every negative thing we've heard about Trump is true, he'd be just as bad as they are.
It's like being given a choice between drinking a mystery bottle or drinking poison. You're better off rolling the dice.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at February 20, 2016 09:11 PM (HalrA)

683 286 So Trump is nothing more than people voting out of spite?
Awesome. So if Cruz bows out, I will vote Rubio to spite Trump. Fun times.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 08:22 PM (pUDQf)
--------------
Hmmm. That's a thought.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 20, 2016 09:12 PM (T/5A0)

684 Max, I'm a heck of lot of more worried about the catastrophic damage the 10-20 million illegal Central Americans are causing here than several thousand Syrians.

Besides, the Gang of 8 bill would have allowed those Syrians in any way.

This Cruzzer is now on board with the Donald. And I won't be the only one.

Posted by: Benjamin Rand at February 20, 2016 09:12 PM (EcY3q)

685 rubio is .3 percent ahead of Cruz
Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:10 PM (zOTsN)

damn it.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2016 09:12 PM (L1+sh)

686 It's like being given a choice between drinking a mystery bottle or drinking poison. You're better off rolling the dice.

Or voting for Ted.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 09:12 PM (rwI+c)

687

so a Cruz Rubio tie for second is a Rubio win?

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:12 PM (zOTsN)

688 You know what sucks the most in these arguments on the border. The truth is known and there is no eloquent argument that will make me not a racist in their minds. Fuck it!11!!

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 09:12 PM (r6bSH)

689 Rubio accepts second place, says it is the new first.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 20, 2016 09:12 PM (T78UI)

690 Seriously. WTF are these people?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2016 09:12 PM (8PbKi)

691 Here's what I do not understand about Trump supporters; Do they think something different then I do about Trump, or do they feel something different?



That seems an oversimplification, but I don't know how else to get at it. I mean, do they think he is a conservative?

Posted by: Bowe Bergdahl at February 20, 2016 08:59 PM (RrDm2)


I support Trump because he can win and will do a few things that I like. The GOPe gives me nothing. Cruz might be better in theory but he won't win and I'm tired of casting meaningless protest votes.

Posted by: schizoid at February 20, 2016 09:13 PM (0b/An)

692 ty, phoenix.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2016 09:13 PM (L1+sh)

693 Cruz doesn't have much of a path to victory if he does this poorly in a state where 70% of voters who turned out were White Evangelical Christians

Posted by: Just Sayin' at February 20, 2016 09:13 PM (2kjDY)

694 How can any Marco supporter be so passionate? Yeesh.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 09:13 PM (3R7s0)

695 rubio is .3 percent ahead of Cruz

It has been a pretty consistent 1700 votes. Odd how numbers play out.

Posted by: Alfrud Wreckmaker at February 20, 2016 09:13 PM (0j6nq)

696 Marco desperately wants it to be a 3 man race.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at February 20, 2016 09:13 PM (/HC6x)

697 You know what sucks the most in these arguments on the border. The truth is known and there is no eloquent argument that will make me not a racist in their minds

Because it's not about you. It's about them.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 09:13 PM (rwI+c)

698 http://www.decisiondeskhq.com/south-carolina-gop-primary/

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 20, 2016 09:14 PM (0O7c5)

699 Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 20, 2016 09:09 PM (OQ9R7)

I well understand that; I'm the conservative who's a preacher from NJ, remember? ;^) but if the poster wasn't a troll I think that's his argument-that Cruz is too religious and a fake at that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2016 09:14 PM (w4NZ8)

700 "Why no sympathy for legal immigrants?"

There is a horrible hard truth we all need to get our heads around.

It is entirely possible for immigrants to come in legally, to comply with every last requirement, to pay taxes, to learn English, to assimilate culturally, to be impeccably law-abiding, to "work hard and play by the rules", and...

... STILL BE A NET DRAIN ON AMERICAN SOCIETY.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 20, 2016 09:14 PM (noWW6)

701 we now have a guy who said Bush lied us into Iraq, that blamed Bush for
missing 9/11, and who just said he supported the individual mandate
winning the SC primary.

---------------------

Take comfort: he doesn't mean anything he says, he's going to let VP Cruz do most of the work, and he'll be so maddened by the pace of Washington that he won't run for a second term.

Posted by: iforgot at February 20, 2016 09:14 PM (YOxw1)

702 ThunderB, which source are you watching for the Cruz/Rubio numbers?

Posted by: Tami at February 20, 2016 09:14 PM (v0/PR)

703 jeb, kasich, and carson in 7% tie.

Get out, losers.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 20, 2016 09:14 PM (oVJmc)

704 674 Why no sympathy for legal immigrants?

Every time the govt panders to illegals, they are spitting in the faces of people who followed the rules.
Posted by: @votermom at February 20, 2016 09:10 PM (cbfNE)

Exactly. I have a cousin-in-law from Mexico that immigrated legally. Took years and lots of money. She haaaaaaaaaaaaaates illegals with a passion.

Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at February 20, 2016 09:14 PM (KkVB6)

705 i hope i can hang on through this political season.

it's so unpleasant altogether, gak

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2016 09:14 PM (L1+sh)

706 I'm calling it a night, this ain't over as I'm not hearing any fat lady singing.

Posted by: Skip the ace at February 20, 2016 09:14 PM (l+OuH)

707 Yeah -- "Sorry Mom" is a weaksauce twit. On Twitter no less.

Posted by: eleven at February 20, 2016 09:14 PM (qUNWi)

708 Or voting for Ted.





Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 09:12 PM (rwI+c)


Which is why Cruz is my first choice, though I won't get my hopes up for I his chances. He's got an uphill climb the whole way.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at February 20, 2016 09:15 PM (HalrA)

709 Rubes is blowing Bush: Greatest gov in history of Florida.

Yep, that's the plan. Bush will endorse Dondi, GOPe is all in for Rubes.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 09:15 PM (dvuhZ)

710 Cruz doesn't have much of a path to victory if he does this poorly in a state where 70% of voters who turned out were White Evangelical Christians

I'll vote for him on March 1st.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 09:15 PM (rwI+c)

711 Rube's sons look like mini Ricky Ricardos.

Posted by: Valiant- Hot Air Suicide Watcher at February 20, 2016 09:15 PM (2bqlb)

712 "How can any Marco supporter be so passionate? Yeesh."
-Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 09:13 PM (3R7s0)

They like to "don't like" stuff?

I'm downright Orwellian, man. I'm giving myself a +1 for that.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 20, 2016 09:15 PM (OQ9R7)

713 DD

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:15 PM (zOTsN)

714 And then me add-too. I don't think Cruz is either a religious nutcase or a fake or I wouldn't be supporting him.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2016 09:15 PM (w4NZ8)

715 Torque wrench,
You're right.
You are in CA & I'm in MA, out votes are cancelled out.

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 09:15 PM (sj3Ax)

716

the bottom 3 will go to Rubio or stay home

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:16 PM (zOTsN)

717 If Trump promises to nominate Ted to Supreme Court, I'll switch to Trump right now. Rubio must go down

Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 09:16 PM (7vTEZ)

718 "Oh, no.
You are quite wrong about that."

Look I can't make it any plainer, I oppose DACA

The disagreement is on HOW they should be evicted, not IF

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 09:16 PM (tJipK)

719 709 Rubes is blowing Bush: Greatest gov in history of Florida.

Yep, that's the plan. Bush will endorse Dondi, GOPe is all in for Rubes.


Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 09:15 PM (dvuhZ)



He is their "Paul Ryan for Speaker" fall back plan.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2016 09:16 PM (zt+N6)

720 Ok, just curious. Thanks.

Posted by: Tami at February 20, 2016 09:16 PM (v0/PR)

721 Cruz doesn't have much of a path to victory if he does this poorly in a state where 70% of voters who turned out were White Evangelical Christians
Posted by: Just Sayin'

The dark recesses of my mind have been thinking that..

Still, like the last man alive in a lifeboat, I remain hopeful for the future and my chance to vote for Cruz in Virginia 3/1

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 20, 2016 09:16 PM (CWvyb)

722 Trump and Rubio.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 09:16 PM (9ym/8)

723 That's what weird. They don't have to vote for the fake conservative/republican/nationalist to to make a point to the GOPe. Cruz has repeatedly spit in the GOPe's face but the same folks don't want him because he's preachy and they want to punch his face. It makes no sense.

Trump as the destroyer is only what's left after a real reformer who's already proven to be a guy who will stand when everyone else caves is gone. But he's not gone. He's just stuck in second place.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 09:16 PM (pUDQf)

724 So, when do Cruz and Rubio cut a deal?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at February 20, 2016 09:17 PM (/HC6x)

725 All the establishment money will flow to Rubes now.

The choice is clear now- the wall or mass amnesty.

Posted by: Valiant- Hot Air Suicide Watcher at February 20, 2016 09:17 PM (2bqlb)

726 Why no sympathy for legal immigrants?



Every time the govt panders to illegals, they are spitting in the faces of people who followed the rules.

Posted by: @votermom at February 20, 2016 09:10 PM (cbfNE)

The illegals wouldn't even be here if there weren't lots of Americans breaking employment rules. I can't put all the blame on the Mexicans, they broke an unenforced law and came over here with a wink and a nod. And we can't touch our own lawbreakers because they're the cherished small businesses.I find the suggestion that another physical obstacle is the solution to be a slap in the face. The fact is, until Americans are punished, this problem will persist, and even Trump doesn't have the balls to go there.

Posted by: Ololiuqui at February 20, 2016 09:17 PM (s6/4z)

727
Steve Kornacki

Trump becomes the fourth Republican since 1980 to lose Iowa, then win both NH and SC.

The others were Reagan '80, Bush '88 and McCain '08.



[ominous music]

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 09:17 PM (kdS6q)

728 Posted by: Benjamin Rand at February 20, 2016 09:12 PM (EcY3q)

You never were a 'cruzzer' if you are jumping ship now. I'm sure you have a face book account. They miss you over at HA.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 20, 2016 09:17 PM (MNgU2)

729 Jeb's good looking son. You will see him in the future. He doesnt seem all that bright, and his name is George

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:53 PM (zOTsN)

Actually , he looks cross-eyed sometimes. He was elected TX Land Commissioner (IIRC), which is a very big deal. It has been reported he doesn't show up for work much.

Posted by: RushBabe at February 20, 2016 09:17 PM (/NEnw)

730 The disagreement is on HOW they should be evicted, not IF

Bus? Airplane? Trebuchet?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 09:17 PM (rwI+c)

731 Hey canada turd crud suppositories he can't even beat punk rubio. Trump our next president!

Posted by: kurtz at February 20, 2016 09:18 PM (loLy5)

732 It's like being given a choice between drinking a mystery bottle or drinking poison. You're better off rolling the dice.

Cato -- that's perfect.

Posted by: eleven at February 20, 2016 09:18 PM (qUNWi)

733 I never expected to see Nikki on Team Mario. Interesting.

Posted by: Fritz at February 20, 2016 09:18 PM (BngQR)

734 >>>You are in CA I'm in MA, out votes are cancelled out.



Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 09:15 PM (sj3Ax)<<<

If Cruz isn't the nom, and Trump pisses me off any more, for once I'll be glad that my vote doesn't mean shit, and just end up staying home.

Posted by: another MAron at February 20, 2016 09:18 PM (H9MG5)

735 Rubes blowing, well licking, Trikki Nikki now. Going into the whole, as Steyn put, I love America and want an America that is the most American of any American America.....



Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 09:18 PM (dvuhZ)

736 Eviction is simple. Enforce the existing law. Make a few public examples.

Posted by: @votermom at February 20, 2016 09:19 PM (cbfNE)

737 Here's a fun excercise.

Imagine, if you will, this election as one of individual political parties instead of candidates. To form a government, you need over 50%. That's how they do it in Sweden. The booty here is the ministries.

Who forms the best government?

Posted by: Miley's Tongue dba Ylva of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy at February 20, 2016 09:19 PM (odjaN)

738 "There is a horrible hard truth we all need to get our heads
around.
It is entirely possible for immigrants to come in legally, to comply
with every last requirement, to pay taxes, to learn English, to
assimilate culturally, to be impeccably law-abiding, to "work hard
and play by the rules", and...
... STILL BE A NET DRAIN ON AMERICAN SOCIETY."


You are right which is why I favor reforming legal immigration to favor candidates who bring valuable skills and talents,and not chain migration

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 09:19 PM (tJipK)

739 I support Trump and I do not think he is a Conservative.

He is a Nationalist.

Excellent, I say.

Posted by: eman at February 20, 2016 09:19 PM (MQEz6)

740 729 Jeb's good looking son. You will see him in the future. He doesnt seem all that bright, and his name is George

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:53 PM (zOTsN)

Actually , he looks cross-eyed sometimes. He was elected TX Land Commissioner (IIRC), which is a very big deal. It has been reported he doesn't show up for work much.

Posted by: RushBabe at February 20, 2016 09:17 PM (/NEnw)



I imagine they have it planned out to make him Lt. Governor or Governor within the next 3 cycles.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2016 09:19 PM (zt+N6)

741
There was a time when I figured that when/if Trump implodes Cruz would be right there to pick up the lead. Now it looks like when/if Trump implodes Rubio will fill the power vacuum and become the front runner.

It saddens me to say this, but in the best interest of our country, Cruz supporters are gonna have to switch to Trump. It's the only sure way to keep Rubio out of the driver's seat.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 20, 2016 09:19 PM (RcpcZ)

742 Turnip engages in class warfare. Low class warfare.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 20, 2016 09:20 PM (Nwg0u)

743 "What I want to know is, what's with this weird detente between Trump and Rubio? It can't be because Trump doesn't see Rubio as a threat because that has never stopped Trump from launching an insult barrage before. Hell he keeps hammering Bush and Bush is graveyard-dead."

--------

I believe there's bad blood between Trump and the Bushes going back a long way, don't know the details.

As for not attacking Rubio, Trump expects him to be the second last man standing and is waiting to unload on him then.

Posted by: Decaf at February 20, 2016 09:20 PM (9IfHv)

744 84 per cent in

rubio .2 percent ahead of Cruz

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:20 PM (zOTsN)

745 Nikki needs a cheerleader outfit ... shake those pom poms Nikki.

Boy in the bubble trying to act like he won.

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 20, 2016 09:20 PM (eUbDe)

746 Well, clearly those endorsements may have pushed Boobio from 3rd to 2nd place.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 09:20 PM (3R7s0)

747 Boy does Gov. Haley's son not want to be up on that stage now.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 20, 2016 09:20 PM (jrmIk)

748
Jeb! was the FUPA of the Bushes.

I'm glad he's out.


Unfortunately, that gives Mario a leg up.

The next few weeks will be do or die for Cruz and possibly Trump.

If the GOPe sees daylight with Mario, they will go all out to get Kasich and Carson to quit-

and then go straight after Trump.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 20, 2016 09:21 PM (KUa85)

749 You are right which is why I favor reforming legal immigration to favor candidates who bring valuable skills and talents

Like who?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 09:21 PM (rwI+c)

750 "620
It looks like there's plenty of bad blood between Bush and Rubio so it's unlikely Marco will pick up the majority of Bush supporters. That's a good thing.
Posted by: Ed Anger at February 20, 2016 09:03 PM (RcpcZ)"

May be bad blood between the candidates, but voters don't care about that stuff. They'll vote what they perceive to be in their interests. For instance, Cruz is my first choice but if he drops out, even with all the nasty, underhanded things Trump has said about him, I will still vote for Trump. Because fuck Rubio, that's why.

Likewise, Jeb people hate Trump more than they hate Rubio and they align more closely with Rubio on policy and temperament. Rubio will get 80% of Jeb's support. Guaranteed.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at February 20, 2016 09:21 PM (8xieD)

751 Posted by: torquewrench at February 20, 2016 09:14 PM (noWW6)



That's also true, though the proponents of Potemkin village diversity will never go along with your thinking.



There's a few important things to consider with regards to immigration systems. A government's foremost duty is to benefit its citizens, and all of its other duties flow from that basic purpose. A government which elevates the interests of foreign nationals above those of its own citizens has become antithetical to its very reason for existence.



Any immigration program that exists must benefit the nation's citizens, if a government wishes to hold onto its legitimacy. The points-based systems run by countries like Australia, in my opinion, do a good job of picking the immigrants most likely to contribute to the country rather than be a drag on it. While perfection is impossible, you don't have to be perfect, you just have to get it right more than you screw up.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at February 20, 2016 09:21 PM (HalrA)

752 I am telling you on w, it will be Rubio/Cruz. They will cut a deal.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at February 20, 2016 09:21 PM (/HC6x)

753 Great. Looks like Screwbio will finish second. F*******************k

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 20, 2016 09:21 PM (hVdx9)

754
Max Boot*

The size of the Trump vote confirms every bad thing anyone has ever said about the American education system.

*"You would cry too, if it happened to you."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 09:21 PM (kdS6q)

755 Rubio has saliva deficit... His speech in my nik

Posted by: Baldy at February 20, 2016 09:22 PM (1SCTq)

756 Hmmm. Marco's parents were a maid and a bartender. Who knew?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 20, 2016 09:22 PM (kTF2Z)

757 I have one nominee. Cruz. No win? No leave couch.

Say what you will. That's what's going to happen in this Ohio house.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 20, 2016 09:22 PM (OQ9R7)

758 Mario sucks.

Posted by: Ronster at February 20, 2016 09:22 PM (mUa7N)

759 Nikki Haley and Tim Scott still need GOPe to get reelected

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:22 PM (zOTsN)

760 I never expected to see Nikki on Team Mario. Interesting.

Posted by: Fritz at February 20, 2016 09:18 PM (BngQR)

Almost like the just off the boat crowd is ganging up the nationalist.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 20, 2016 09:23 PM (T78UI)

761 754 The butthurt is real.

Posted by: steevy at February 20, 2016 09:23 PM (B48dK)

762 I've seen the following sentiment on various forms of social media/comments sections:

Immigration is going to lose the GOP the election.

The GOPe's refusal to take a hard line on immigration will lose them the election. There is a reason people are coming out in droves for Trump.

He is for a health care mandate; he attacked Pres. Bush over 9/11; he is liberal on partial birth abortion. And, they are coming out in droves for one issue and one issue only. Immigration.

So, they run Trump and possibly lose the Latino vote or they run someone else and lose the "Build a wall now" vote. What the GOPe is saying, is the Latino vote matters more to them than rural, conservative voters.

Posted by: TickledPink at February 20, 2016 09:23 PM (F5hTl)

763 Cruz A Seminar commenter doesn't have much of a path to victory if he does this poorly in a state blog where 70% of voters who turned out were White Evangelical Christians want to see every GOPe take a long walk off a short pier with their statist allies

Fixed it

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2016 09:23 PM (AA6QE)

764 80% of Jeb's support is like what, 10 votes?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 20, 2016 09:23 PM (Xo1Rt)

765 Here is one thing to remember....

(1) Christi schlonged Rubio in the debate

(2) Trump hasn't yet schlonged Rubio

(3) Trump is the schlonger in chief

(4) Therefore, Once it becomes Trump vs. Rubio.....

Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 09:23 PM (7vTEZ)

766
723 That's what weird. They don't have to vote for the fake conservative/republican/nationalist to to make a point to the GOPe. Cruz has repeatedly spit in the GOPe's face but the same folks don't want him because he's preachy and they want to punch his face. It makes no sense.

Trump as the destroyer is only what's left after a real reformer who's already proven to be a guy who will stand when everyone else caves is gone. But he's not gone. He's just stuck in second place.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 09:16 PM (pUDQf)

Why is he stuck in second place?

Maybe he can do no better?

If that is so, then he is wasting eveybody's time.

Posted by: eman at February 20, 2016 09:24 PM (MQEz6)

767 I hope Cruz comes in second, he needs to beat that fuckstick robot down, and I say this as a Trump supporter. I can't see him bowing out of the race just yet if he comes in third here.

That said, it's probably a bridge to far to see Cruz as a VP pick now, but if like others said, Trump pledges to put Cruz on the Supreme Court that would be fucking EPIC.

Posted by: That smart guy who says we're proper fucked at February 20, 2016 09:24 PM (qHgBB)

768 So the liar gets 2nd by calling Cruz a liar. Amazing.
Behold the power of this fully armed and operational establishment.
Its too bad about Trump. He makes all the right people's heads explode, but when it comes down to brass tacks, he's not going to change a damn thing. And his voters are too stupid to see it.

Posted by: Iblis at February 20, 2016 09:24 PM (rP2JJ)

769 They don't have to vote for the fake
conservative/republican/nationalist to make a point to the GOPe.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 09:16 PM (pUDQf)




If you want to make a point to the GOPe, vote Cruz. If you want to actually defeat them, vote Trump.
I

Posted by: schizoid at February 20, 2016 09:24 PM (0b/An)

770 Max, my only regret now is giving Cruz a hundred bucks.

He is a good man, squeezed out by the boorish Trump on one hand and the Establishment pool boy, Marcipoo.

I would rather vote for a boorish goon like Trump who might turn out well than the Establishment puppet puppy, Rubio, who I know will not.

Posted by: Benjamin Rand at February 20, 2016 09:24 PM (EcY3q)

771 I support Trump and I do not think he is a Conservative.



He is a Nationalist.



Excellent, I say.

Posted by: eman at February 20, 2016 09:19 PM (MQEz6)

Definitely an interest shift if the dems end up with a Socialist...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 20, 2016 09:24 PM (T78UI)

772 Before I get flamed, please note I do not accuse every Trump supporter of this. This is just my anecdotal observances of my relatives that support Trump.
Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at February 20, 2016 09:03 PM (KkVB6)


No. Not at all... but I would crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump over anything that the (D)Marxists will field.

Is Trump a closet (D)Marxist?

I just happen to not think so.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at February 20, 2016 09:24 PM (zYV5P)

773 Just wait till the MFM lets loose with all the filth they have on Trump. There have been previews of it. It's so nasty even Trump supporters will be disgusted. NBC bought the rights to a BBC show on him they're going to air in July (after the convention) as a favor to Hillary and the WSJ has a "package" they're saving till then too.

Posted by: RushBabe at February 20, 2016 09:25 PM (/NEnw)

774 Nikki is in her second term. She's term limited out. She's got national aspirations. A senate seat is out. Grahamnesty and Scott are firmly ensconced.

She's actually hoping to be Dondi's VP, I think. Of course, I don't see Dondi doing that. But he'll give her a cabinet spot.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 09:25 PM (dvuhZ)

775
No it isn't, I never said it was inhumane to evict a squatter



But the manner of eviction does matter
Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 09:04 PM (tJipK)


So it is moral to keep them working at sub-level jobs, the sort that don't check SSNs really closely, and make sure they are dependent on welfare and food stamps being unable to find better jobs, while being prey to anyone who can hold deportation over their head, and anyone who wants to extort them because they don't dare go to the cops because they are illegal?

I won't go into the criminality and the narcotrafficking, importation of daily corruption and simple murder and theft, since that is not germane to what you are saying, but I think you are advocating for a permanent underclass.

They won't go because you gently shoo them. A lot of them have been told it is their right to be here and have a job and have welfare for so long they believe it stronger than they believe in Christ.

Posted by: Kindltot at February 20, 2016 09:25 PM (q2o38)

776 729
Jeb's good looking son. You will see him in the future. He doesnt seem all that bright, and his name is George



Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 08:53 PM (zOTsN)



Actually , he looks cross-eyed sometimes. He was elected TX Land
Commissioner (IIRC), which is a very big deal. It has been reported he
doesn't show up for work much.

Posted by: RushBabe at February 20, 2016 09:17 PM (/NEnw)
he was arrested for being a peeping tom stalking an ex girlfriend......

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 20, 2016 09:25 PM (0O7c5)

777 I will not support the preacher. If you do not like my man Rubio, pick someone else.

If you want Trump, fine you can have him. I would hate it. Just understand Cruz will not be the nominee.

Cruz is not the face of God. Preachers do not do things he did.

No preachers for President. Preachers for the pulpit.

Posted by: Arkansas Yankee at February 20, 2016 08:59 PM (Je4OY)

Dafuck are you talking about??

Posted by: Blano at February 20, 2016 09:25 PM (heN73)

778 The thing that sucks most for me. Is I did the right things by saving for retirement etc. And if the economy was like it was in the mid 80s I would be golden. I just need a small house, basic care (including an insurance policy I can afford) and food. But the bar keeps rising beyond all that to which I made my assumptions. If they didn't fuck the economy and raise taxes and regs I could be in my cabin right now. Still contributing to the small town where my cabin is and stepping aside for a younger worker to fill my place in my productive job. But no govt has fucked me with all the shit they do to enrich their buddy's that take from my simple life economic.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 09:25 PM (r6bSH)

779 Horry County, retirement central Myrtle Beach, went 49% Trump. One last gift to the country from the Boomers, before they shuffle off from Heaven's Waiting Room.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 20, 2016 09:25 PM (CWvyb)

780 Mike Hammer!!!
I answered rose question & again.
Do not cut roses back until forsythia are in bloom in your area!

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 09:25 PM (sj3Ax)

781

why would Cruz make a deal with Rubio? whats in it for him?

I do not see that happening

I think he would rather stay in the Senate and be a thorn in the establishments side

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:25 PM (zOTsN)

782 "Like who?"


Well as a first stab at it, I would copy the Australian immigration rules then slightly modify as necessary

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 09:25 PM (tJipK)

783 DD has 88% in & Cruz second again.

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 09:26 PM (sj3Ax)

784 Meg Kelly on FNC wearing black. Needs a pearl necklace.

Posted by: Billy Gibbons at February 20, 2016 09:26 PM (m0JA3)

785
Rick Wilson*

The Bush and Rubio teams all come from Florida's kickass political and grassroots community. Time to unify and take out the Main Enemy.

*Candle Ja--



The Democrats?

No -- I guess not.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 09:27 PM (kdS6q)

786 "This is why I hate the SC open primary format. Dems can vote in this."

Why the presumption that Dem votes would go to Trump? They are much more likely to opt for Rubio who is on their wavelength regarding amnesty.

Posted by: Decaf at February 20, 2016 09:27 PM (9IfHv)

787 "Dafuck are you talking about??"
-Posted by: Blano at February 20, 2016 09:25 PM (heN73)

He doesn't know. As I said... he just likes seeing his words appear on a screen. He's like the kid who calls the sports talk shows.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 20, 2016 09:27 PM (OQ9R7)

788 I wonder if Trump is footing the bill for Carson to stay in and siphon votes from Cruz.

Posted by: Iblis at February 20, 2016 09:27 PM (rP2JJ)

789 Trump is the schlonger in chief

-
Just ask Pope Frankie Goes to Hollywood.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 20, 2016 09:27 PM (Nwg0u)

790 At least JEB is out. So there's that.

Posted by: Iblis at February 20, 2016 09:27 PM (rP2JJ)

791 @784

Back when I was a Senior in high school, I came to school one day in all black. My teacher told me "All you need is a string of pearls" and I had no idea what he was talking about.

Now, I can hardly wear black without remembering that string of pearls.

Posted by: TickledPink at February 20, 2016 09:28 PM (F5hTl)

792 Trumps attacks on Cruz have pretty much sunk any chance of Cruz supporters flowing to Donald. Just like Jeb supporters ain't about to flow to Trump either. These people will either find another candidate or stay home. Question is, who the support flows to.

If Cruz can't get the nom, then where do we go? I hate Rubio too, so Kasich? If Kasich tanks, I may have to go with Rubio. I cannot pull a lever for Trump. I cannot stand him.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 09:28 PM (pUDQf)

793 "Posted by: Iblis at February 20, 2016 09:24 PM (rP2JJ)"


Iblis with all due respect I do not think Trump voters are stupid, they are merely angry

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 09:28 PM (tJipK)

794 Well as a first stab at it, I would copy the Australian immigration rules then slightly modify as necessary

Australia is vastly underpopulated. We are not. Who do we need. Who improves the country without hurting the actual citizens of the country?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 09:28 PM (rwI+c)

795 Why doesn't anyone question why the illegal hispanics opinion carries so much weight?

Supposedly they can't vote so where is their political power?

Well, of course that's a rhetorical question and we know the answer yet no one brings this up when speaking of the protests that the hispanics stage.

If we haven't already lost the country, we're very close and it's because of the weak willed and weak kneed in Congress.

They deserve no more votes nor benefits of the doubt.

It's time to say NO MORE.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 20, 2016 09:28 PM (Xo1Rt)

796
♪ Clowns to the left of me, jokers to right
Here I am, stuck in the middle again ♫

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 20, 2016 09:29 PM (RrDm2)

797 783 DD has 88% in & Cruz second again

Wut?! I'm looking at DD @ 88% and and Cruz is down 1500 votes...

Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 09:29 PM (7vTEZ)

798 crud goldman sach bitch.

Posted by: kurtz at February 20, 2016 09:29 PM (loLy5)

799 Somehow I doubt we'll hear that third is the new first.

Posted by: Boone at February 20, 2016 09:29 PM (PLMJd)

800 Piss off, Joe.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 09:29 PM (rwI+c)

801 This is a real nail biter.

Knock out pretty boy Rubio, Cruz!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2016 09:29 PM (w4NZ8)

802 I'm sure Trump goes after Rubio hard now, he hasn't needed to before. Rubio was number 3, back in the pack. Cruz was breathing down his neck hard - and in fact, each had won 1 state, so it was neck and neck with Cruz actually gaining. So he had to be destroyed.

Meanwhile, Rubio needed Cruz out of the way to move up. So they worked sort of as a doubleteam to take out Cruz. Seems to have worked, but now Rubio is in the crosshairs.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 09:29 PM (39g3+)

803 Bush suspends campaign, per ABC news.

Posted by: Pete Seria at February 20, 2016 09:30 PM (/pOl7)

804 DD

Rubio 22.5%
Cruz 22.3%

Posted by: Tami at February 20, 2016 09:30 PM (v0/PR)

805 Trump.

Done. He's doing it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 09:30 PM (9ym/8)

806 Judging from the comments at Breitbart, they seem to be Jimmy Carter loving, Jew-hating 9/11 truthers with an axe to grind. Like Trump, I dont think they know or care what "conservative" means.Its a large block of voters who feel they've never had any representation in these elections before.

Posted by: Ololiuqui at February 20, 2016 09:04 PM (s6/4z)


For a civil engineer, you sure sound uncivil.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 09:30 PM (afR/C)

807 Supposedly they can't vote so where is their political power?
-----------

Who said it the other night?

"Undocumented Democrats"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 20, 2016 09:30 PM (RrDm2)

808 English isn't even a first language for some of these mindless children.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 20, 2016 09:30 PM (OQ9R7)

809 785

Rick Wilson*

The Bush and Rubio teams all come from Florida's
kickass political and grassroots community. Time to unify and take out
the Main Enemy.

*Candle Ja--



The Democrats?

No -- I guess not.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 09:27 PM (kdS6q)
is he still a friend of the blog?

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 20, 2016 09:30 PM (0O7c5)

810 92 percent in

still a .3 percent lead for Dondi

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:30 PM (zOTsN)

811 he was arrested for being a peeping tom stalking an ex girlfriend......

I forgot about that. Sheesh.

Posted by: RushBabe at February 20, 2016 09:31 PM (/NEnw)

812 802 I'm sure Trump goes after Rubio hard now, he hasn't needed to before. Rubio was number 3, back in the pack. Cruz was breathing down his neck hard - and in fact, each had won 1 state, so it was neck and neck with Cruz actually gaining. So he had to be destroyed.

Meanwhile, Rubio needed Cruz out of the way to move up. So they worked sort of as a doubleteam to take out Cruz. Seems to have worked, but now Rubio is in the crosshairs.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 09:29 PM (39g3+)



Eh, its also possible that he keeps going after Cruz in a way similar to what he did with Jeb.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2016 09:31 PM (zt+N6)

813 Ugh. I expected Trump to win but I'm not liking the Rubio surge. I think Mario is a more photogenic but less principled version of Jeb.

I could vote for a Cruz/Rubio ticket but a Rubio/Cruz ticket would get me back to voting fringe party since None of the above isn't a ballot option. I'll never stay on the couch though, that would be telling the media that I'm fine with either their first or second choice.

Posted by: PaleRider at February 20, 2016 09:31 PM (chkUd)

814
Erick Erickson

Marco Rubio is now more likely than not the Republican nominee.

http://theresurgent.com/it-becomes-rubios-race-to-lose/




Third is the new Inevitable!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 09:31 PM (kdS6q)

815 @795...

Honestly...I would say the anchor babies are starting to turn 18 this year from the first wave of illegals.

That can be dangerous. I would never cower to them, but....it could be dangerous. They are voting to keep their family together.

Posted by: TickledPink at February 20, 2016 09:31 PM (F5hTl)

816 With Jeb out that helps Rubio.
Time to stop trashing Rubio, ACE.
It's ALL ABOUT ELECT-ABILITY and EVERY POLL shows Rubio bitch-slappping The Bitch.

Posted by: Carry On at February 20, 2016 09:31 PM (nrsmi)

817 "Dafuck are you talking about??"

-Posted by: Blano at February 20, 2016 09:25 PM (heN73)




Unk-dray in the ain-bray.


Posted by: naturalfake at February 20, 2016 09:31 PM (KUa85)

818 Politico now opining about Cruz's "crushing defeat"

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2016 09:31 PM (8PbKi)

819
Rubio spent something like $50 million and Cruz $16

Posted by: Justamom at February 20, 2016 09:32 PM (sVnbw)

820 Something tells me Arkansas Yankee is not very familiar with preachers.

Posted by: Emmie at February 20, 2016 09:32 PM (ezXrF)

821 I don't go in for the dehumanization rhetoric of illegals, that isn't right to me.>>>

The union of federal welfare workers.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 09:32 PM (r6bSH)

822 "790 At least JEB is out. So there's that.
Posted by: Iblis at February 20, 2016 09:27 PM (rP2JJ)"

I would rather Jeb be in. Him being gone only helps one candidate and that candidate's name rhymes with Shitty, No-Good Amnesty Pusher.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at February 20, 2016 09:32 PM (8xieD)

823 Matt Lewis calling for a Rube/Cruz alliance and ticket to shut out Trump.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 09:32 PM (dvuhZ)

824 well with cruz and rubio basically tied for 2nd I think it will be tough for Cruz but I will support him here in Missouri for certain

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 09:33 PM (tJipK)

825 What's interesting is that SC has 93% in while NV has 87% in despite a couple hours' difference.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 09:33 PM (SRv8e)

826 "Definitely an interest shift if the dems end up with a Socialist..."

A nationalist...or a socialist. Hmmm. Too soon to quip the "deal" is a fusion ticket?

Posted by: Trump's Toup at February 20, 2016 09:33 PM (BeXId)

827 "Here I am, stuck in the middle again "

Here we be.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 09:33 PM (9ym/8)

828 Politico now opining about Cruz's "crushing defeat"

Well, that Politico comment just convinced me to send some money to Cruz tomorrow.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2016 09:33 PM (w4NZ8)

829 Carson was on Cavuto this morning & still talking about Iowa! It was Breaking News!!

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 09:33 PM (sj3Ax)

830 Bush suspends campaign? I am broken hearted.

ha

Posted by: mallfly at February 20, 2016 09:33 PM (MaaAj)

831 Eh, its also possible that he keeps going after Cruz in a way similar to what he did with Jeb.

Its possible, but I think that was a failed tactic. I think he was trying to get cruz to defend Bush and get caught up in a quagmire of arguments and history and lose focus. It didn't work, but I don't think Bush was even Trump's main target at all.

he was arrested for being a peeping tom stalking an ex girlfriend

Oh sure, but who hasn't done that!

.... I mean... what a creep!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 09:33 PM (39g3+)

832 Ugh.

Are we getting mario-turfed tonight at the HQ?

Posted by: naturalfake at February 20, 2016 09:34 PM (KUa85)

833 Cruz is a smart smart and strategic guy. I support him now, and I have confidence he's going to make some chess moves even if he drops out of the race. Like I said. HE would be a an excellent Supreme Court nominee..... if his fucktard Senate colleagues would consent him through.... not likely, me afraid.

Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 09:34 PM (7vTEZ)

834 But the manner of eviction does matter

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 09:04 PM (tJipK)

Fuck that shit. I have no problem wrapping a rope around a squatter's neck and dragging him out of my house.

If he doesn't want to suffocate and die, then he can just get up and walk out on his own.

Again, fuck that shit.

Posted by: Blano at February 20, 2016 09:34 PM (heN73)

835
With only two tiny counties left to report, it looks assured that Mario wins second place.

The bad thing is that after Rubio cements his second place standing the Cruz supporters are going to stay home.

This does not bode well for the future of our country.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 20, 2016 09:34 PM (RcpcZ)

836 ***"Here's what I do not understand about Trump supporters; Do they think something different then I do about Trump, or do they feel something different?


That seems an oversimplification, but I don't know how else to get at it. I mean, do they think he is a conservative?"***


Here's what I don't get about some people who ostensibly read this blog. You can get explanation after explanation and answers to these very questions, and yet these questions still keep popping up.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2016 09:34 PM (Wckf4)

837 331 OT: I got "The Walking Dead" season two. I kind of liked the first one - some SJW tropes, but not overpowering (redneck is racist, which I thought was lazy writing, but then a brother is introduced, who isn't).
Also very strong on the Second Amendment, at least what passes for one in zombieland.

I assume it's good if it hasn't been canceled.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo

The brother is Darrell. Don't say anything bad against him or the internets will turn on you.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 20, 2016 09:34 PM (QdAXQ)

838 I'm putting my in for Cruz when the time comes. Just because I'm pleased with the chaos Trump inflicted on the GOPe doesn't mean I'm actually voting for him.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at February 20, 2016 09:34 PM (D0J8L)

839 What's interesting is that SC has 93% in while NV has 87% in despite a couple hours' difference.

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 09:33 PM (SRv8e)



In Nevada, it was a forgone conclusion. Hillary was going to win even if she lost

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 20, 2016 09:34 PM (45oDG)

840 Texas will go Trump. I'm saying.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 20, 2016 09:34 PM (9ym/8)

841 816
With Jeb out that helps Rubio.
Time to stop trashing Rubio, ACE.
It's ALL ABOUT ELECT-ABILITY and EVERY POLL shows Rubio bitch-slappping The Bitch.


Posted by: Carry On at February 20, 2016 09:31 PM (nrsmi)
lol the establishment will not win.....rubio is their new bitch......look how that worked out for !jeb!

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 20, 2016 09:35 PM (0O7c5)

842 I swear, if I hear one more time about Goldman Sachs from some fucking waterhead, I'm going to have an aneurysm. 29 people who work at GS donated the max to the husband of their coworker WHO IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. $71,850

http://is.gd/MROXYO

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 09:35 PM (rwI+c)

843 838
I'm putting my in for Cruz when the time comes. Just because I'm pleased
with the chaos Trump inflicted on the GOPe doesn't mean I'm actually voting for him.


Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at February 20, 2016 09:34 PM (D0J8L)
yep

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 20, 2016 09:35 PM (0O7c5)

844 in other news, Hillary as per the MSM is declared to have won the presidency. Trump expected to concede in about nine months.

Posted by: mallfly at February 20, 2016 09:35 PM (MaaAj)

845

Rubio gets the 0.02% Differential AWARD!!!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 20, 2016 09:35 PM (qCMvj)

846 It's an unfortunate truth but the majority of illegals from the south are not literate in their own language let alone English.

This is just a fact and can be proven by anyone wishing to look or have experienced.

I recall asking those english speaking hispanics (not hired by me btw) what this or that word meant or a translation.

I estimated that most illegals are at best semi literate. They are at about 4th or 5th grade level of vocabulary and language structure.

This is not to claim they are stupid. Taking a look at the countries that they come from, it is the upper and upper middle class that enjoys a high school equivalent education. The lower levels especially those outside the cities do not receive much education and even if it's available they do not take part as they must spend their time earning a meager living not sitting in a class room.

Now the tech immigrants are a different story and they do make a difference job wise as they will work for less and will make fewer demands for fear of deportation. (lose the job, lose the green card and it's back to wherever you came from)

We are NOT importing the best and the brightest for the most part which is why open borders will fail and fail spectacularly. The rapid plunge into 3rd world status will be shocking to all. But the elites will do just fine.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 20, 2016 09:35 PM (Xo1Rt)

847 Are we getting mario-turfed tonight at the HQ?
>>>

Not much point of laying new turf on infertile ground.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 09:36 PM (r6bSH)

848
Caucusing for Cruz in MO.
I'm Missouri River caucus group.

Posted by: Justamom at February 20, 2016 09:36 PM (sVnbw)

849 DD

Rubio 22.4%
Cruz 22.4%

Posted by: Tami at February 20, 2016 09:36 PM (v0/PR)

850 in other news, Huckabee in one county in S C did very well. In 2008.

Posted by: mallfly at February 20, 2016 09:36 PM (MaaAj)

851 Stirewalt and much of FOX constantly smack down Trump supporters. "They love the smack talk, he'll never lose them". He acts like immigration and trade was what MADE Trump. He branched that out to stopping Muslim migration here, and not occupying the Middle East.

Trump wins because he hits the big issues.

The mandate was a surprise sort of ... but Republicans support the non-denial for pre-existing condition thing. The mandate was supposed to be the part that would break Obamacare via SCOTUS, but Roberts failed us. So if pre-existing condition people are in my insurance pool, damn straight I want everyone to help me pay for that entitlement.

Trump wasn't specific, except he said he'd push repeal and replace, more choices and market competition, keep your old doctor ... But pre-existing has to be paid for not just by those that already had insurance.

It's a mandate/tax, so all must pay ... phrasing. I'm not sure who is pushing a clearer plan.

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 20, 2016 09:37 PM (eUbDe)

852 its basically a tie

so Cruz 1st in IA, 3rd in NH, 2nd (tie) in SC

Rubio 3rd in IA, 5th in NH, 2nd (tie) in SC


Rubio Wins!

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:37 PM (zOTsN)

853 Here comes Cruz!

Posted by: Tami at February 20, 2016 09:37 PM (v0/PR)

854
daveweigel

Looks like Trump will win every SC district, giving him basically every delegate. Only narrowly lost Richland and Charleston counties.



Doomed.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2016 09:37 PM (kdS6q)

855 So photo finish for second and third. What the hell are you thinking Rubio voters.



I under stand the burn, mothafucka, burn Trump vote but unless you really are for amnesty, why in God's name would you vote for Dondi?



Sorry, Ace, that had to be asked:-P

Posted by: redbanzai at February 20, 2016 09:37 PM (NPofj)

856 Here's what I do not understand about Trump supporters; Do they think something different then I do about Trump, or do they feel something different?

***

This really isn't complicated, and Ace has linked to some very good explanations in his posts.

People are angry, and frightened, and desperate to lash out.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2016 09:37 PM (8PbKi)

857 Cruz about to quit and endorse Hillary as the most electable.

Posted by: mallfly at February 20, 2016 09:37 PM (MaaAj)

858 852 its basically a tie

so Cruz 1st in IA, 3rd in NH, 2nd (tie) in SC

Rubio 3rd in IA, 5th in NH, 2nd (tie) in SC


Rubio Wins!
============

So Mother F*&king true



Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 09:38 PM (7vTEZ)

859 I think alot of the Hot Air people are Mario Brothers

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:38 PM (zOTsN)

860 "831 Eh, its also possible that he keeps going after Cruz in a way similar to what he did with Jeb.

Its possible, but I think that was a failed tactic. I think he was trying to get cruz to defend Bush and get caught up in a quagmire of arguments and history and lose focus. It didn't work, but I don't think Bush was even Trump's main target at all."

You're giving Trump waaaay too much tactical credit man. He's not some three-dimensional, political chess grandmaster. He was pissing on Bush because he enjoyed seeing Bush's face glow red. That's about it.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at February 20, 2016 09:39 PM (KvqG+)

861 Nood

Posted by: Tami at February 20, 2016 09:39 PM (v0/PR)

862 The bad thing is that after Rubio cements his second place standing the Cruz supporters are going to stay home.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 20, 2016 09:34 PM (RcpcZ)

----------------------------------------

Why? They're two entirely different groups.

Posted by: iforgot at February 20, 2016 09:39 PM (YOxw1)

863 Politico now opining about Cruz's "crushing defeat"



Well, that Politico comment just convinced me to send some money to Cruz tomorrow.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2016 09:33 PM (w4NZ

About 900 votes between second and third now.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 20, 2016 09:39 PM (NPofj)

864

how on earth is Rubio the big savior for GOPe with a tie for second

Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:39 PM (zOTsN)

865 For a civil engineer, you sure sound uncivil.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 09:30 PM (afR/C)
Hey, you would be too if you had to use AutoCrash 10 hours a day!But seriously, they had a thread over on Breitbart when Jimmy Carter endorsed Trump and it was really enlightening to see the mindset of many Trump supporters. My point is that they never wanted, or pretended to be conservative.

Posted by: Ololiuqui at February 20, 2016 09:39 PM (s6/4z)

866 A nationalist...or a socialist. Hmmm. Too soon to quip the "deal" is a fusion ticket?

Posted by: Trump's Toup at February 20, 2016 09:33 PM (BeXId)

Another possible combination is the indicted criminal s the evangelist.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 20, 2016 09:39 PM (T78UI)

867 November votes:

Trump/Cruz...hell yeah

Cruz/Not a RINO...okay

Cruz/RINO...um, sorry, no

Anything else...oh, fuck no times ten

Posted by: eman at February 20, 2016 09:40 PM (MQEz6)

868 Well, Cruz is giving Jeb a nice wet one himself. He must think he might have a shot at Jeb endorsement. Nah, couldn't be.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 09:40 PM (dvuhZ)

869 "If I were Donald Trump, I'd be worried." - actual quote from Karl Rove tonight.

Fox News bias manifested as laughable delusion.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at February 20, 2016 09:40 PM (jEIZo)

870 Cruz only 500 votes behind now at the DD.

Posted by: Valiant- Hot Air Suicide Watcher at February 20, 2016 09:40 PM (2bqlb)

871 Rubio is a turd-o.

Posted by: Weasel at February 20, 2016 09:40 PM (e3bId)

872 "Australia is vastly underpopulated. We are not. Who do we need.
Who improves the country without hurting the actual citizens of
the country?"


Speaking in the context of my experience : there are many scientists, graduate students, etc. who are developing new processes and creating new knowledge, that could be an asset to this country and wouldn't harm existing citizens because the science and technology are so new. if they want to stay I say let them

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 09:40 PM (tJipK)

873 Chemjeff,

Murderers are human beings as well. Guess we should not disrupt their lives by putting gh in jail for 50 years. Someone think of the children.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 20, 2016 09:40 PM (0LHZx)

874 Hey, Cruz just thanked Mark Sanford. Wasn't he the one who "hiked the Appalachian Trail"?

Posted by: logprof at February 20, 2016 09:41 PM (SRv8e)

875 864

how on earth is Rubio the big savior for GOPe with a tie for second



Posted by: ThunderB at February 20, 2016 09:39 PM (zOTsN)



After spending significantly more, and gaining major endorsements in the state.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2016 09:41 PM (zt+N6)

876 This Cruz supporter will never vote for Trump. I don't vote national socialist 9/11 furthers. Doubtful ill vote for Rubio either.

ill vote for Cruz in the primary whether he can win or not and write in Jefferson Davis in the general.

Posted by: Malachi45 at February 20, 2016 09:41 PM (Y9zAG)

877 The disagreement is on HOW they should be evicted, not IF

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 09:16 PM (tJipK)


Trebuchets at the border, with nicely-padded buckets upholstered in rich Corinthian leather. What the Mexicans use to catch them on the other side is their business.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 09:41 PM (afR/C)

878 The bad thing is that after Rubio cements his second place standing the Cruz supporters are going to stay home.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 20, 2016 09:34 PM (RcpcZ)

----------------------------------------

Why? They're two entirely different groups.


Posted by: iforgot at February 20, 2016 09:39 PM (YOxw1)


The ones I know won't stay home.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 20, 2016 09:41 PM (NPofj)

879 I think I know where FOX got that 3-way tie teaser crap. I'm looking at the results for Greenville County, mine. It's still not in fully, only 60% or so -- they're always late, and it is a pretty close 3-way between 'em. Trump is barely ahead, Rubio 2nd and Cruz 3rd. It agrees with the state ordering, but the differences are small.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 09:42 PM (dvuhZ)

880 If Cruz Can't even get 2nd place in SC then he's in trouble moving forward.

Look at the demographics of the next 12 states.

SC was the most favorable of them all.

Posted by: Carry On at February 20, 2016 09:42 PM (nrsmi)

881 Oddly this SOCTUS replacement deal is integral in my final vote in November of 16 no matter what this primary chooses. Fuck I might just choose Hillary as my heroin of death.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 09:42 PM (r6bSH)

882 "Trebuchets at the border, with nicely-padded buckets upholstered in rich Corinthian leather. What the Mexicans use to catch them on the other side is their business."
-Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 09:41 PM (afR/C)

Street sweepers. Zambonis for you Canucks!


Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 20, 2016 09:42 PM (OQ9R7)

883 Speaking in the context of my experience : there are many scientists, graduate students, etc. who are developing new processes and creating new knowledge, that could be an asset to this country and wouldn't harm existing citizens because the science and technology are so new. if they want to stay I say let them

So what, 200 a year? I could tolerate that.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 09:43 PM (rwI+c)

884 That seems an oversimplification, but I don't know how else to get at it. I mean, do they think he is a conservative?
*******************

No I don't think he is a conservative purist, even he has stated that he is a nationalist and populist. In this vein I think nationalism is more important because it carries with it many conservative principles, such as securing our borders and actually enforcing the law.

But here's the thing, when Trump says something positively conservative and correct, he doesn't back down from it, instead he doubles down. I've never seen anyone not only not back down, but vehemently go on the offensive. Seriously, this guy bitch slapped the pope. THE POPE.

Posted by: That smart guy who says we're proper fucked at February 20, 2016 09:43 PM (qHgBB)

885 But the elites will do just fine.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 20, 2016 09:35 PM (Xo1Rt)

The elites always do fine until one day they don't!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 20, 2016 09:44 PM (wYnyS)

886 Every hour that Carson stays in the race now lowers my esteem of him. He needs to drop out. He and Kasich both.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 09:44 PM (39g3+)

887 687 yes a tie is a win for Rubio, sorry. That is the way things go.

Someone may have called me a troll. I have been active in the Party since 1959 in Michigan, Tennessee, and for the past 38 years in Arkansas. No troll am I, unless Rubio supporters are trolls here.

Posted by: Arkansas Yankee at February 20, 2016 09:44 PM (Je4OY)

888 "Trump will maybe have to choose a Rubio or Kasich type for VP, to get that mass on board the Trump train. Kasich might give him more than Rubio, but if Rubio delivered FL that is huuuge. Guess we'll see ... things can still change. But Trumps alleged major blow ups didn't hurt him terribly, though it cost him some."

------

I used to think that if Trump won the nomination he would choose Susana Martinez to deny Hillary the fem vote. Picking Dr Carson would work as well by peeling off some African American voters that Hillary cannot do without.

Posted by: Decaf at February 20, 2016 09:44 PM (9IfHv)

889 Posted by: Carry On at February 20, 2016 09:42 PM (nrsmi)

And whom do you support?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2016 09:44 PM (w4NZ8)

890 Voting Rubio means the end of the American Republic is closer than before. So I have no idea why anyone cares about winning the election under those circumstances.

Now tell me after 4 years of a Rubio Presidency with...

1. Mass Amnesty
2. Mass Increase in Immigration (including Islamic)
3. American troops bogged down in nation building operations in Syria, Iraq and Yemen
4. More Crony Capitalism (look at Rubio's donors)

Who do you think will be the new Progressive Party President in 2020...I am going predict Castro.


BTW: This is not taking into account the possibility of Rubio blundering us into a war with Russia over some "wonderful" place like Syria, or Ukraine, or best yet protecting Turkey...





Posted by: William Eaton at February 20, 2016 09:44 PM (q52Ma)

891 I have been active in the Party since 1959 in Michigan, Tennessee, and for the past 38 years in Arkansas.

Confession accepted.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 09:44 PM (rwI+c)

892 "y: Justamom at February 20, 2016 09:36 PM (sVnbw)"

I thought Missouri had primaries this year?

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 09:44 PM (tJipK)

893 I don't vote national socialist 9/11 furthers. Doubtful ill vote for Rubio either.
******************

So you support amnesty and open borders? Good to know.

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 20, 2016 09:44 PM (qHgBB)

894 Well, Cruz is giving Jeb a nice wet one himself. He must think he might have a shot at Jeb endorsement. Nah, couldn't be.


Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 09:40 PM (dvuhZ)


What did he say?

Posted by: redbanzai at February 20, 2016 09:45 PM (NPofj)

895 Mike Hammer,
If you have rose ?s send in Yahoo Group email.
I'm glad I saw it & you saw answer.


I'm going to do laundry & eat!

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 09:45 PM (sj3Ax)

896 I would have voted for Trump, circa post Kelly period comment, but he lost me between there and the pussy comment. Of course, being blessed by code pink and talking about all the good planned parenthood does in between selling baby parts didn't help.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 09:45 PM (pUDQf)

897 Trump: 2nd place, 1st and 1st
Cruz : 1st place, 3rd and tied for 2nd.
Rubio: 3rd place, 5th and tied for 2nd.

Why is Cruz done for?

Let's see what a posed primary looks like before writing him off.

Posted by: Malachi45 at February 20, 2016 09:46 PM (Y9zAG)

898 There's a nude.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 20, 2016 09:46 PM (rwI+c)

899 I never expected to see Nikki on Team Mario. Interesting.

Posted by: Fritz at February 20, 2016 09:18 PM (BngQR)

I bought a Confederate Battle Flag in her honor.

Bitch.

Posted by: Blano at February 20, 2016 09:46 PM (heN73)

900 886 Let us not forget Kasich's father was a mailman. And no ordinary mailman, either. Super Mailman.

Posted by: Weasel at February 20, 2016 09:46 PM (e3bId)

901
If Cruz Can't even get 2nd place in SC then he's in trouble moving forward.

Look at the demographics of the next 12 states.

SC was the most favorable of them all.


Posted by: Carry On at February 20, 2016 09:42 PM (nrsmi)

No it wasn't.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 20, 2016 09:47 PM (NPofj)

902 I would have voted for Trump, circa post Kelly period comment, but he lost me between there and the pussy comment.>>>

Glad you care about MSM slights than real issues.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 09:47 PM (r6bSH)

903 if they want to stay I say let them

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone at February 20, 2016 09:40 PM (tJipK)

I say if they're so fricking smart, let them stay in their country of origin and improve the hellholes that they came from!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 20, 2016 09:48 PM (wYnyS)

904 Cruz can still pull this out. The Rubio counties are 100% in.

Posted by: Valiant- Hot Air Suicide Watcher at February 20, 2016 09:48 PM (2bqlb)

905 894: Jeb's a great man, great family. WOnderful wife. Took the high road, all that stuff.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 20, 2016 09:48 PM (dvuhZ)

906 902 I would have voted for Trump, circa post Kelly period comment, but he lost me between there and the pussy comment.>>>

Glad you care about MSM slights than real issues.
Posted by: Willy J. at February 20, 2016 09:47 PM (r6bSH)

Supporting single payer and planned parenthood are issues.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 09:49 PM (pUDQf)

907 Trump will maybe have to choose a Rubio or Kasich type for VP

I don't buy that What do they bring to the campaign that he doesn't already? Besides, the era of the two white dude ticket is gone, we'll not see that again in our lifetimes.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 09:49 PM (39g3+)

908 886 Every hour that Carson stays in the race now lowers my esteem of him. He needs to drop out. He and Kasich both.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 09:44 PM (39g3+)


But Kasich is going to be YUUUUUGE in Michigan don't ya know?
As for Carson, I think some of his advisers are being paid for by the GOPe and/or Trump.

Posted by: Iblis at February 20, 2016 09:49 PM (rP2JJ)

909 Let us not forget Kasich's father was a mailman. And no ordinary mailman, either. Super Mailman.

Posted by: Weasel at February 20, 2016 09:46 PM (e3bId)



Faster than a speeding turtle. More powerful than a golf cart. Able to deliver packages in a single bound. Look on the sidewalk. It's a turd! It's a slug! It's Super Mailman!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 20, 2016 09:50 PM (45oDG)

910 MARon,
I'm voting Cruz March 1 & will stay home on Election Day. But Trump is rather popular in MA, but he is a cheater, liar, uses illegals to build palatial hotels etc.
I won't vote for him.

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 09:51 PM (sj3Ax)

911 897 Trump: 2nd place, 1st and 1st
Cruz : 1st place, 3rd and tied for 2nd.
Rubio: 3rd place, 5th and tied for 2nd.

Why is Cruz done for?

Let's see what a posed primary looks like before writing him off.
==============
[I'm a Cruz supporter]

The issue NOW, isn't Cruz. The issue is Rubio. With the Establishment vote sharpening around Rubio, Trump and Cruz are splitting the anti-establishment vote and the longer that split festers, the stronger Rubio will get now that the full weight of Rinse Penis, Karl Rove, Haley Barber, K Street, McConnel et. al will be behind him.

If you want to burn down the Establishment Trump and Cruz voters are going to have to make up and combine to defeat He, the Robot.

Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 09:51 PM (7vTEZ)

912 I have to go eat.

Posted by: Carol at February 20, 2016 09:52 PM (sj3Ax)

913 29 votes separate Rubio and Cruz with 95.5% in at DD.

Posted by: holygoat at February 20, 2016 09:52 PM (ZgI/r)

914 I am confused by Rubio and his supporters celebrating. They gained nothing. Trump took all 41 delegates, they got zip.

So what has he accomplished here, exactly? A statistical exact tie with Cruz? That's cause for celebration?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 09:53 PM (39g3+)

915 893 I don't vote national socialist 9/11 furthers. Doubtful ill vote for Rubio either.
******************

So you support amnesty and open borders? Good to know.

_______________________

We both knowI didn't say that.

Posted by: Malachi45 at February 20, 2016 09:53 PM (Y9zAG)

916 Carson is still in it out of spite, if I had to guess. Not an uncommon theme this year.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 09:53 PM (pUDQf)

917 >>>Bar's Leaks

good one Alberta Oil Peon

Posted by: concrete girl at February 20, 2016 09:53 PM (0KgAM)

918 "29 votes separate Rubio and Cruz with 95.5% in at DD.
Posted by: holygoat at February 20, 2016 09:52 PM (ZgI/r)"

I must have read that wrong. Sorry, all.

Posted by: holygoat at February 20, 2016 09:54 PM (ZgI/r)

919 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 09:53 PM (39g3+)

Pretty simple, really. Be excited, act like you won something, have the media parrot that theme, gain traction because people like a winner

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 09:55 PM (pUDQf)

920 "People are angry, and frightened, and desperate to lash out." ndh

Trump hits the major issues head on, and takes on media and the big names and wins, in the media. I think Coulter and Laura Ingraham do a much more honest explanations than "bunch of freaked out people acting irrationally".

The mature people see what Trump can accomplish. I used to like Walker then Cruz #2. But they didn't have the national dynamic needed. Trump just took almost every country, where Cruz was supposedly strong with evangelicals, and Rubio had the state leaders pushing him, and Trump had FOX mostly in his face.

The Trump people are ignorant or just lashing out is so wrong, and insulting. They hear the clarion call "Make America Great Again". And he hits the big issues squarely. Trump rallies are a blast, from what I'm told and what I see. He has the huge crowds, the love someone saying "America First", finally.

http://tinyurl.com/zlqb3u8

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 20, 2016 09:55 PM (eUbDe)

921 Bible believers proved they could compete, Cruz says. Is this the meme.

The Republican Party is not a religious party. We are not electing a preacher.

I grew up in a German Baptist home. I was born again when I was 11. I backslid while in college. My Methodist wife brought me back into the fold.

I know Cruz is not the face of God.

While I am typing this, Fox is cutting away from the windbag.
When will he learn to shut up.

No preachers for President. Preachers for the pulpit.

Posted by: Arkansas Yankee at February 20, 2016 09:56 PM (Je4OY)

922 ..."So what has he accomplished here, exactly? A statistical exact tie with Cruz? That's cause for celebration?"
-Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 09:53 PM (39g3+)

I haven't understood that from the get-go. Rubio nor Cruz have nothing to celebrate here, except still being relevant.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 20, 2016 09:56 PM (OQ9R7)

923 911 897 Trump: 2nd place, 1st and 1st
Cruz : 1st place, 3rd and tied for 2nd.
Rubio: 3rd place, 5th and tied for 2nd.

Why is Cruz done for?

Let's see what a posed primary looks like before writing him off.
==============
[I'm a Cruz supporter]

The issue NOW, isn't Cruz. The issue is Rubio. With the Establishment vote sharpening around Rubio, Trump and Cruz are splitting the anti-establishment vote and the longer that split festers, the stronger Rubio will get now that the full weight of Rinse Penis, Karl Rove, Haley Barber, K Street, McConnel et. al will be behind him.

If you want to burn down the Establishment Trump and Cruz voters are going to have to make up and combine to defeat He, the Robot.

I will never support Trump. He is a democrat and a tyrant. Why you people p left think n he will do anything hesays, including on immigration baffles me. He is Hillary Clinton with worse hair and a itchy trade war trigger finger.

Posted by: Malachi45 at February 20, 2016 09:57 PM (Y9zAG)

924 I'll take the Great Destroyer over any Establishment candidate. I'm so tired of holding my nose to vote.

Sickens me to think that if Rubio wins, he'll claim a mandate to finish off his Amnesty crap.

Posted by: Schlonger at February 20, 2016 09:58 PM (7vTEZ)

925 i]Pretty simple, really. Be excited, act like you won something, have the media parrot that theme, gain traction because people like a winner

Yeah they tried that in Iowa and he came in 4th the next election.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 09:58 PM (39g3+)

926 Hey, you would be too if you had to use AutoCrash 10 hours a day!But seriously, they had a thread over on Breitbart when Jimmy Carter endorsed Trump and it was really enlightening to see the mindset of many Trump supporters. My point is that they never wanted, or pretended to be conservative.

Posted by: Ololiuqui at February 20, 2016 09:39 PM (s6/4z)


But your mistake is in looking at the Stormfront crowd, and thinking that they are somehow typical of Trump supporters. Trump's supporters here know full well that he is not any kind of conservative idol, but they see a competent guy who is offering to do some things they like, and most importantly, a weapon to be used to destroy the GOPe which has raped them in the ass since Reagan left office.


They will settle for a non-conservative firebrand who agrees on the existential matter of closing the border, rather than voting for more of the same with the GOPe squish candidates. And it seems most of the Trump supporters here don't actively hate Cruz or Carson, but just don't see them as having what it takes to win the general.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 20, 2016 10:01 PM (afR/C)

927 and I honestly believe Trump will break your heart. He's saying what he has to say to win but he's not going to do the things he says.

He won't build a wall. He's a businessman and the first thing he will do is meet with the Zuckerburgs of the world and decide just how many illegals are required for profit.

He's a fake, a shuckster and a charlatan. I just know it.

Trump doesn't want to fix shit. He wants people to kiss his ring and call him President. That's been Trump since the 80s.

He's going to cheat on you and make you cry.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 10:01 PM (pUDQf)

928 I will never support Trump. He is a democrat and a tyrant. Why you people p left think n he will do anything hesays, including on immigration baffles me. He is Hillary Clinton with worse hair and a itchy trade war trigger finger.

Far from his ability to "screen illegals," Trump couldn't even screen his own business partners. Many were crooked Russians or mafia types and a good many are in prison. Dana Loesch gave the rundown on Friday and it was jaw dropping. She also said she doesn't even go to Trumpbart anymore. Wasn't she one of Andrew's originals?

Posted by: RushBabe at February 20, 2016 10:02 PM (/NEnw)

929 Awesome news about Jeb, but he is a nutless zeta male so this is no surprise. Hillary OTOH is an alpha lesbian cyborg zombie. I will only feel safe once she is gone.

Posted by: angela urkel at February 20, 2016 10:02 PM (HQUTI)

930 Trump is rock solid on the key issues that will determine whether or not the country falls to the globalist assault. And he is solid on key conservative issues that are still winnable, like guns.

People may have been unhappy that he attacked George W. Bush but they are very happy that he promises to avoid additional optional wars.

His weaknesses are on vanity issues, like abortion or gay marriage that are already settled by the courts. He's not going to force you to bake the cake.

And he re-draws the electoral map, putting additional states into play in the general election.

Most "conservatives" are pragmatic conservatives, who want to conserve their way of life. The principles of the conservative movement (which have changed rather often) are secondary.

Posted by: Just Sayin' at February 20, 2016 10:03 PM (2kjDY)

931 Folks: In a State tailor-made for Cruz to win outright, he DID NOT WIN A SINGLE COUNTY.

Not a good sign going into States less favorable to Cruz and more favorable to Rubio.

And Rubio still leads more than any other candidate in EVERY SINGLE POLL in a Clinton contest.

Do you want to win in November or not?

Trump and Cruz have a short ceiling....too large an unfavorable rating.

I don't give a shit who is the nominee. I just want to WIN and right now Rubio is the strongest in a Demo-Duel.

Posted by: Carry On at February 20, 2016 10:04 PM (nrsmi)

932
Far from his ability to "screen illegals," Trump couldn't even screen his own business partners. Many were crooked Russians or mafia types and a good many are in prison. Dana Loesch gave the rundown on Friday and it was jaw dropping. She also said she doesn't even go to Trumpbart anymore. Wasn't she one of Andrew's originals?

_______________________

He's Putin with a comb over. He's garbage.

Posted by: Malachi45 at February 20, 2016 10:07 PM (Y9zAG)

933 Right as usual Ace...fucking moron...

Posted by: My Gooch at February 20, 2016 10:07 PM (k5Xcw)

934 927 and I honestly believe Trump will break your heart. He's saying what he has to say to win but he's not going to do the things he says.

He won't build a wall. He's a businessman and the first thing he will do is meet with the Zuckerburgs of the world and decide just how many illegals are required for profit.

He's a fake, a shuckster and a charlatan. I just know it.

Trump doesn't want to fix shit. He wants people to kiss his ring and call him President. That's been Trump since the 80s.

He's going to cheat on you and make you cry.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 20, 2016 10:01 PM (pUDQf)


THIS +100!
This is why I think Trump supporters are idiots. This guy has NEVER helped a conservative cause. NEVER. He's such a great conservative? Why's he giving money to CUOMO instead of Astorino? Why hasn't he helped turn NY conservative? With his money and media savy you'd think he could.
He's not going to appoint more Scalias. He doesn't associate with any to know them.
He's not going to purge the Feds of libs. All he's associated with are libs. We don't know who his picks are for anything. Personnel is policy.
Trumpsters say, "Well Reagan was a Democrat and changed later" Yes he did. But he did before running for office. And before running he gave excellent defenses of conservatism, explaining what it was, and why he is for it. And he didn't run for President right after his conversion. He worked his way up. He proved who he was, and that he could be trusted.
I really hope Trump is telling the truth, and he's had a "Come to Reagan" moment. But I haven't seen any evidence of it. And that scares me.

Posted by: Iblis at February 20, 2016 10:09 PM (rP2JJ)

935 And Rubio still leads more than any other candidate in EVERY SINGLE POLL in a Clinton contest.

He didn't win a single county either. And Kasich is showing a poll that has him beating Clinton head to head and nobody else can.

So... not really anything to take away here. Except that Trump just got all the delegates from South Carolina by sweeping the state. that seems to say something about the mood of voters, for good or ill.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 10:09 PM (39g3+)

936 How do you Trump supporters plan on winning when 10% of the base stays home and the media and dems do the exact same destroy the rich guy strategy from last time? You are deluded about making up the difference with dems.

Posted by: Malachi45 at February 20, 2016 10:11 PM (Y9zAG)

937 OMG. First time in my life that I agree with Whoraldo.

"Trump voters believe Trump believes what they want him to believe.'

Posted by: Doubting Thomasina at February 20, 2016 10:11 PM (JcXSX)

938 935: Rubio won two counties last time I checked.

Posted by: Carry On at February 20, 2016 10:12 PM (nrsmi)

939 Rubio won two counties last time I checked.

Might be true. Doesn't change anything, does it? He still got nothing but a tie for 2nd. Same thing for Cruz, he got nothing but a tie for 2nd. Neither one seems a clear winner here. Trump seems to be the only one who's demonstrating he can pull in a variety of voters and win.

Do I want him to win? No, he's a lying left-moderate Democrat pretending to be a Republican to win. I'm not 100% convinced he's not here to help his friends the Clintons win, although his vast ego seems to make that unlikely. He'll be the biggest RINO ever and when he doesn't "build that wall" or do a single thing about immigration, its going to horrify his voters.

But he's winning and the other guys ain't. So arguing for someone else because they can win just doesn't seem very compelling.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 20, 2016 10:15 PM (39g3+)

940 Far from his ability to "screen illegals," Trump
couldn't even screen his own business partners. Many were crooked
Russians or mafia types and a good many are in prison. Dana Loesch gave
the rundown on Friday and it was jaw dropping. She also said she
doesn't even go to Trumpbart anymore. Wasn't she one of Andrew's
originals?

Posted by: RushBabe at February 20, 2016 10:02 PM (/NEnw)

Dana Loesch had a great show a week or so ago where she characterized the race as being an un-indicted felon vs. a socialist on the Dem side and an evangelist vs. a nationalist on the Repub side.... then went on to let us know that she was a balls to the wall Cruz / evangelist supporter. Great show.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 20, 2016 10:16 PM (T78UI)

941 "How do you Trump supporters plan on winning when 10% of the base stays home and the media and dems do the exact same destroy the rich guy strategy from last time? You are deluded about making up the difference with dems. "

If Cruz had been nominated some Republicans would also have stayed home, you get that, right? And some Dems would have been more motivated to turn out.

And you get that the media also has a strategy they use on Religious people, right?

Posted by: Just Sayin' at February 20, 2016 10:17 PM (2kjDY)

942 939: I don't want Trump to win either.
I think a Cruz/Rubio or Rubio/Cruz ticket would be "lights out" and seal the deal.

BONUSPOINTS!!!!!: Both arte so young hat the Veep could easily go for another 8-years!

Posted by: Carry On at February 20, 2016 10:19 PM (nrsmi)

943 Breitbart has devolved into Stormfront West. I have to hold my nose when I type in their URL now.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at February 20, 2016 10:19 PM (8xieD)

944 Trump hits the major issues head on, and takes on media and the big names and wins, in the media. I think Coulter and Laura Ingraham do a much more honest explanations than "bunch of freaked out people acting irrationally".

***

My comment wasn't even remotely intended to portray them as irrational. Just angry and using the tools they have to express it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2016 10:28 PM (8PbKi)

945 >>>Here's what I don't get about some people who ostensibly read this blog. You can get explanation after explanation and answers to these very questions, and yet these questions still keep popping up.

preach it

Posted by: concrete girl at February 20, 2016 10:38 PM (0KgAM)

946 I have great admiration for Dana Loesch. But I don't want an evangelist for my President.

Posted by: Priscilla at February 20, 2016 11:07 PM (sguk6)

947 Trump may very well "break our hearts" as it were, but we know that Rubio would support amnesty and fast track citizenship. Trump may very well be lying about his positions, but we have seen Rubio DOES lie - he was for amnesty as speaker of the Florida house, he 'changed his mind' to get the tea party endorsements for the Republican primary and then - after the general, he couldn't wait to jump into Shumer's pocket to support amnesty again. Now he's telling us he won't support amnesty in English while saying the opposite in Spanish. Rubio will lie to get your vote - this has been demonstrated and is not speculation.

Another point: Rubio is for depriving college men of their due process rights under the Constitution. He cosponsored a bill with Shumer that allows the colleges to form up their kangaroo courts. So on top of trying to turn Americans into Mexicans, he also wants to dilute the Constitution.

Cruz is a great guy and probably the only conservative in this race. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to have been able to gain any traction.

Posted by: rabidfox at February 20, 2016 11:43 PM (EW9tX)

948 TRUMP/TE WALL/THE GUN
2016
America's Alpha Male will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN AND BETTER THAN EVER BEFORE!

Posted by: Myshiba at February 21, 2016 12:12 AM (2Ur2x)

949 "Never mind Ford, pretty soon we are going to have to drive to Mexico to eat dinner out;-P


Posted by: redbanzai at February 20, 2016 11:56 PM (NPofj)"
Ha! No kidding! Gonna be one hell of a dinner!

Posted by: kakypat at February 21, 2016 12:21 AM (HUXet)

950 test10

Posted by: Maetenloch at February 21, 2016 01:17 AM (wqVD1)

951 Ace, I read your post 4 times and I'm STILL not getting where you think Rubio lied.

Posted by: rexbatt at February 21, 2016 08:39 AM (woA40)

952 Estupido.

By the Rubi-cons logic then, a hypothetical EO that bank ATMs shoot out thousands of dollars to random potential democrat voters is Not Immoral since 'some people are benefitting' ?

These people are idiots.

Posted by: Socalcon at February 21, 2016 09:04 AM (lHASK)

953 Or, Rubio's lie is entirely consistent with the Establishment government's long-term ignoring of excessive debt and unfunded liabilities:

We will not end it, but it will end itself... When its replacement comes along!

Posted by: Socalcon at February 21, 2016 09:09 AM (lHASK)

954 Trump says he is going to do something and he does.

Trump listens to the American people and doesn't back away when some media shill starts shooting missiles at him.

Trump resonates with Evangelicals, because he says he will protect them. I think that this is why he is doing much better than expected with that particular group.

Trump gives us hope that we are not a lost nation on the path to destruction.

Last, but not least, if Trump wins in November, we will get to see the GOPe, the media idiots and the pearl clutcher's heads explode. I, personally cannot wait.

Posted by: Adeline at February 21, 2016 12:40 PM (TZmWz)

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