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Joan Walsh: Supporting Bernie Sanders is... Racist?
She wonders if working class whites are voting against Hillary because of which president she served -- Well, she served as copresident with a white man, so I'm not sure who she could mean.
More of this horrific caterwauling from the Vinegary Valkaries of Vaginal Solidarity from Ed Driscoll at the Instapundit link.Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 06:12 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: Ohiogal at February 11, 2016 06:12 PM (XJ3nY)
Posted by: Ohiogal at February 11, 2016 06:12 PM (XJ3nY)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:13 PM (Bptsy)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:13 PM (Bptsy)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at February 11, 2016 06:14 PM (xInes)
Posted by: HH at February 11, 2016 06:14 PM (DrCtv)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 06:14 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2016 06:15 PM (91LL3)
Posted by: Joe Mama at February 11, 2016 06:15 PM (e6z6y)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:15 PM (Bptsy)
Posted by: eleven at February 11, 2016 06:16 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 06:16 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 06:16 PM (7XeOt)
Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2016 06:16 PM (91LL3)
Posted by: HH at February 11, 2016 06:16 PM (DrCtv)
Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2016 06:16 PM (DL2i+)
With so much badness in the world, it's a wonder a liberal can even walk into the voting booth without a trigger warning, because candidates' very names are microaggressions. No wonder they need ballot shenanigans to provide a precinct tally.
Seriously, it's a good thing they have so many dead people voting for them. The dead have seen it all, and are less offended.
Posted by: Qoheleth at February 11, 2016 06:16 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:16 PM (Bptsy)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 06:16 PM (oVJmc)
Relief
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 06:17 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: LIV at February 11, 2016 06:17 PM (zmW4B)
Posted by: Sharkman at February 11, 2016 06:17 PM (90muK)
Posted by: Joe Mama at February 11, 2016 06:18 PM (e6z6y)
Posted by: Mallflower at February 11, 2016 06:18 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: steevy at February 11, 2016 06:18 PM (B48dK)
Posted by: imp at February 11, 2016 06:18 PM (XIXZz)
and ace, vinegar can heal a certain vagina issues. so careful!
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:18 PM (9XzdI)
I thought we weren't allowed to blame him for anything, especially shit he actually did.
Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2016 06:18 PM (DL2i+)
"Gotta fi' up dose votas on da 'rat plantation and be showin' 'em yo ain' no way tawrd of fightin' fo' 'em." /Hillary practicing black pander voice mode.
Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at February 11, 2016 06:19 PM (g1MTt)
Posted by: Ltc. Kilgore at February 11, 2016 06:19 PM (zmW4B)
Posted by: Joe Mama at February 11, 2016 06:19 PM (e6z6y)
Posted by: HH at February 11, 2016 06:19 PM (DrCtv)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:20 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: no good deed at February 11, 2016 06:20 PM (GgxVX)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 06:20 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at February 11, 2016 06:20 PM (xInes)
Posted by: Tim in GA at February 11, 2016 06:21 PM (v/uaY)
I mean, they let fly with the labels so thick and so fast you'd think they'd be inured to it, donchathink? Besides which, I'm speaking the objected truth.
I guess they can't handle the truth.
Posted by: Qoheleth at February 11, 2016 06:21 PM (iIzG7)
It would be a bit comforting to be able to convince oneself that her entire life is just one big troll. But it's not. She really is that clinically insane.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 11, 2016 06:21 PM (HMt16)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:18 PM
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Hey willow! Like what vaginal issues? Does this have to do with douche? Idk what that's even for. Does anyone do that anymore? It sounds like an old lady thing.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 06:22 PM (2x3L+)
Can't, still listening to Great White Buffalo.
Which includes this canard.
"But then came the white man,
With his thick and empty head.
He couldn't see past the billfold, He wanted all the buffalo dead."
About what you'd expect for motor city madmen understanding of destroying enemy guerrilla fighters food source.
Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2016 06:22 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:23 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:23 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: fluffy at February 11, 2016 06:23 PM (AfsKp)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:23 PM (Bptsy)
Jeeze, man up. Pump some iron, bulk up and slap the bitch like a man you pussies.
Posted by: Bjorn Trumpalot at February 11, 2016 06:23 PM (8im/A)
Posted by: Navin R Johnson at February 11, 2016 06:23 PM (g25eo)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:23 PM (9XzdI)
Now that memories of that have faded, it would be infinite fun to go find some 20-year-old campus SJWs, and present them with that old quote, but misattribute it to a contemporary conservative figure. Then record the subsequent thermonuclear shitstorm of indignation.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 11, 2016 06:24 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2016 06:15 PM (91LL3)
Which makes her the First Black First Lady. She ain't noways tarred.
Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 06:24 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2016 06:24 PM (iHjB5)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:24 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 11, 2016 06:24 PM (xWW96)
Girls are just supporting Bernie to get laid (let that one roll around in your head a bit).
If you don't vote for Hillary it's because you hate blacks.
Top notch campaign organization these old hags put together. Really makes the case for turning over the country to them.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2016 06:25 PM (/tuJf)
And, I wasn't calling you old. I meant everyone else. Not you.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 06:25 PM (2x3L+)
Wait 'til we get to a state with negroes, negroes love me".
-- Hillary "Otter" Clinton
Posted by: Bandersnatch, let all the children boogie at February 11, 2016 06:25 PM (1xUj/)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:25 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 06:25 PM (2x3L+)
You're right, everyone else is really old, i'm just sliding into oldisha territory.
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:26 PM (9XzdI)
Go long on popcorn futures.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:26 PM (Bptsy)
One is almost pitiable, the other makes her truly despicable and worthy of being a pariah.
Posted by: acethepug at February 11, 2016 06:26 PM (Z6yF/)
I thought that sounded disgusting, a site devoted to hating fat people. I mean WTF? I'm not fat but that just sounds uncool. But turns out those fat-shamers are also big-time SJW haters and they love letting loose with some awesome anti-SJW snark.
Now I'm conflicted. Do I like Fat People Hate or not?
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 11, 2016 06:26 PM (HMt16)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:27 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 11, 2016 06:27 PM (xWW96)
Ever see that photo of Danzig buying Kitty Litter?
I want that on a T-Shirt, so bad.
Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2016 06:27 PM (91LL3)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 06:27 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 11, 2016 06:28 PM (xWW96)
Exactly. went to My hairdresser today and She absolutely will not vote for Hillary or Bernie... She's a libertarian for the most part and also doesn't like Cruz, Jeb!, or Trump.... She likes rubio and Kasich.... She did say if Trump was it She will vote for Him... She's in her early 40's and has always voted Dem.... .
Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:28 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: steevy at February 11, 2016 06:28 PM (B48dK)
I'm not even Asking For A Friend.
So, Attention Organizers:
Adjust e-mail settings accordingly to reflect the progress noted above.
Posted by: DM at February 11, 2016 06:28 PM (j/tOh)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:28 PM (Bptsy)
That sounds terrible.
Posted by: L, Elle
It tastes even worse.
Posted by: Huma at February 11, 2016 06:28 PM (zmW4B)
the left steals all my joy and hate chits.
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:28 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: ZBBMcFate at February 11, 2016 06:29 PM (k7D+q)
(1) Kowtow to their bullying and labels, and vote the way they want;
(2) Ignore them, knowing that whatever I do, they're going to brand me anyway, so vote the way I was going to.
(3) Go weapons-grade, and change my vote to whoever will piss them off the most.
I'm trying, I'm reeeeely trying, to stick with Option Two.
Posted by: Qoheleth at February 11, 2016 06:29 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:30 PM (/dSsq)
--maddog! noep, no way, i won't ever.ever.again.
cuz i'm skeered.
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:30 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:30 PM (Bptsy)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 06:31 PM (0LHZx)
I'm sure the questions will be hard hitting...
Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:31 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: donna
I have a lot of union dems in my family, they can't stand Hillary and are all in on Trump. The ones who know who Bernie is think he's batshit.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at February 11, 2016 06:31 PM (zmW4B)
Oh yeah, it keeps us divided, never mind.
Posted by: Skip at February 11, 2016 06:31 PM (BkhW6)
I think I'm going to go hang out in the religious war in the previous thread.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 11, 2016 06:32 PM (uURQL)
Another white prog friend today was dismissive of the "angry white people" voting for Trump. She has no clue what a bigot she is.
The Dems used to be about the working class. Now they want to make a go of it on identity politics, so they deliberately deserted their base. Desertion wasn't enough, now they rub it in by insulting them.
Posted by: obladioblada at February 11, 2016 06:32 PM (WVxCU)
Posted by: Tim in GA at February 11, 2016 06:32 PM (v/uaY)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:32 PM (Bptsy)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 06:32 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 11, 2016 06:32 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: The Barrel at February 11, 2016 06:32 PM (1xUj/)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (ptqRm)
they are srsly freaks to humanity and social cohesion
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (9XzdI)
If I vote for Sanders, I hate women and blacks
If I vote for Hillary, I hate Jews and old people.
OK.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (0LHZx)
And did you all know there is ANOTHER dem debate tonight?
Yeah, gonna be glued to that one...
Posted by: HH at February 11, 2016 06:19 PM (DrCtv)
I TOTALLY didn't want to hear about Hillary's snail trails. You suck.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (o98Jz)
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 11, 2016 06:32
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Oh no you're not. Barrell. You get to hang out there
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (Bptsy)
She just thinks He's not as "religious" as some of the others... Also She's pro- abortion....
Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: Ed Anger at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (RcpcZ)
Because, it's after 5PM, and I haven't been accused of being rayciss yet today. I'm starting to have withdrawal symptoms.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel
What's unlibertarian about "Jesus wants us to expand medicaid"?
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (zmW4B)
Posted by: ADK46er at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (oA2jF)
You louse, you creep, this is MY TURN. I'm the President next.
Posted by: Bjorn Trumpalot at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (8im/A)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (xInes)
I lose track of what we have discussed at times.
http://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=255806
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (ptqRm)
This kinda is just gonna get more and more epic as we proceed to November.
*Health and long life to the Horde ! Confusion to our enemies !*
*ma
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (Z8DIA)
I get the same vibe from Kasich as from Bernie.
They both seem to be mad at me and convinced that if they just harangue me more I'll see things their way.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (1xUj/)
He was shouting big on Jesus in the early debates.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (oVJmc)
With Her walker... You know, the one with the tennis balls on the legs...
Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:35 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 11, 2016 06:35 PM (xWW96)
*ma
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (Z8DIA)
crosses fingers.
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:35 PM (9XzdI)
If I vote for Sanders, I hate women and blacks
If I vote for Hillary, I hate Jews and old people.
OK.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (0LHZx)
What do I get for being a Cruz supporter?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2016 06:35 PM (iHjB5)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 06:36 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:36 PM (Bptsy)
*wanders off looking for the seed catalog order forms*
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 11, 2016 06:36 PM (Z8DIA)
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She just thinks He's not as "religious" as some of the others... Also She's pro- abortion....
Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (/dSsq)
Most self-proclaimed libertarians have little idea what it really means.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 06:36 PM (TOk1P)
That's a classic pic. So is the one of him eating chocolate cake backstage. And of course, the video of him getting knocked out by a dude 2 feet taller than him.
eBay has a shirt with his high school senior pic on it that's just hilarious too
Posted by: Navin R Johnson at February 11, 2016 06:36 PM (g25eo)
2016: Isn't it cool that someone who is 75 years old is running for president?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 06:37 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Global Warming caused Hillary to lie at February 11, 2016 06:37 PM (FFIoe)
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Yes, BenK posted it and then Ace did I-Don't-Read-My-Own-Blog post on it a second time. Very funny.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 06:37 PM (2x3L+)
What do I get for being a Cruz supporter?
Bitter, bitter disappointment.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 06:36 PM (oVJmc)
Heh. I'll take it, I mean look at all the others.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2016 06:37 PM (iHjB5)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2016 06:35 PM (iHjB5)
***
Reich Wing Bible Thumper, for starters. Then they will get really insulting.
Posted by: Tim in GA at February 11, 2016 06:37 PM (v/uaY)
I lose track of what we have discussed at times.
http://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=255806
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (ptqRm)
Yes. And the mob decided he was a racist and should be shunned.
Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 06:37 PM (7XeOt)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2016 06:35 PM (iHjB5)
___
You hate women, men, children, old, young, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, gays.
But you love Canada and Goldman Sachs.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 06:38 PM (0LHZx)
Yup....In ways I have Libertarian tendencies.... I think it's okay for Marijuana to be legal, I think Hookers should be able to "hook" and I want smaller Government... The one big disagreement I have with them is abortion... I just can't back that one...
Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:39 PM (/dSsq)
Here's a fun new campaign ad for Ted Cruz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLuk691tbo&feature=youtu.be
Posted by: naturalfake at February 11, 2016 06:39 PM (0cMkb)
You did good work, today.
You should take a half day, tomorrow.
Clear your head and get a jump on the weekend.
Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2016 06:39 PM (91LL3)
Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2016 06:40 PM (DL2i+)
You did good work, today.
You should take a half day, tomorrow.
Clear your head and get a jump on the weekend.
Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2016 06:39 PM (91LL3)
But take a shower.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 06:40 PM (TOk1P)
Let's just cut to the chase....
Horde Hates Everyone
That's oddly freeing. Like that oh-so-fresh feeling after a good post-hobohunt shower.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 11, 2016 06:41 PM (o98Jz)
Posted by: tu3031 at February 11, 2016 06:41 PM (YFFpo)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 11, 2016 06:42 PM (Z8DIA)
oh nevermind.
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:42 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 11, 2016 06:43 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Bjorn Trumpalot at February 11, 2016 06:43 PM (8im/A)
Easy to dismiss. Joan Walsh is either a particularly dim imbecile who
doesn't actually know any better, or more cynically, a vile wretch who
is more than happy to lie and malign others to protect the Haggard
Queen.
One is almost pitiable, the other makes her truly despicable and worthy of being a pariah.
Posted by: acethepug
WHY CAN'T SHE BE ....BOTH??
A dim imbecile AND a cynical vile wretch?I vote for both.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...now older and senile at February 11, 2016 06:43 PM (RFeQD)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:43 PM (9XzdI)
Was in the James Gang, joined the Eagles after they were established, but has maintained a solo career.
Rocky Mountain Way, The Smoker You Drink the Player You Get, etc.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 11, 2016 06:44 PM (1xUj/)
Facilitators with clipboards and cross-talk are group psych not *A
Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2016 06:44 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: nerdygirl at February 11, 2016 06:44 PM (+lVUW)
See how f'ing stupid that sounds? Just as bad as the Hillary vote statement.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 11, 2016 06:44 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: the Butcher at February 11, 2016 06:44 PM (AGJqR)
You don't remember Rocky Mountain Way? He was awesome.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (8ZskC)
She did that Americas Most Wanted show I think.
Posted by: Willy J. at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (Nkdwp)
Joan Walsh...sounds ....Irish
I want to apologize to all the Irish that may have been insulted by me in the Nugent thread. I was trying to make a point. I love you Irish folks, my maid of honor was Irish, I entered the Air Force on St Patricks Day (i was not drunk!). Nothing but Irish love here
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: nerdygirl at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (+lVUW)
Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (/dSsq)
Since I don't know who Joan Walsh is, I guess I'm not one of the cool guys.
Posted by: tu3031 at February 11, 2016 06:41 PM (YFFpo)
Amanda Marcotte with better diction, less tattoos and more wrinkles.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (o98Jz)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2016 06:35 PM (iHjB5)
***
Reich Wing Bible Thumper, for starters. Then they will get really insulting.
Posted by: Tim in GA at February 11, 2016 06:37 PM (v/uaY)
Nevergiveup is pretty insistent since this morning that is means you are anti-Semitic through the transitive property of equality.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:46 PM (8ZskC)
BRING. IT. ON.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...now older and senile at February 11, 2016 06:46 PM (RFeQD)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:46 PM (9XzdI)
She's also clean, articulate, and doesn't have a hint of a negro accent.
Posted by: Harry Reid (D) at February 11, 2016 06:46 PM (91LL3)
Posted by: tu3031 at February 11, 2016 06:46 PM (YFFpo)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:47 PM (9XzdI)
Yup....In ways I have Libertarian tendencies.... I think it's okay for Marijuana to be legal, I think Hookers should be able to "hook" and I want smaller Government... The one big disagreement I have with them is abortion... I just can't back that one...
Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:39 PM (/dSsq)
I've known libertarians on both sides of the abortion issue. The pro-life ones point to that phrase in the Declaration of Independence and say that you can't have Liberty and the Purfuit of Happinefs without Life.
Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 06:47 PM (sdi6R)
think it's okay for Marijuana to be legal, I think Hookers should be
able to "hook" and I want smaller Government... The one big disagreement
I have with them is abortion... I just can't back that one...
Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:39 PM (/dSsq)
It would be interesting to find out if the baby killing industry could survive without government funding. I'm not sure it could. There are probably not enough rich, white girls having abortions, and all the poor black girls doing so are more or less the point.
If they had to pay for their own, out of their own pockets, there would probably be quite a few less of them. And obviously, if those same poor women who are getting pregnant now could NOT count on the government to support them, many more of them would keep their legs closed in the first place.
I think the libertarian solution to the abortion question would be much more effective than the big government/social "conservative" one that has been the Republican Party platform for decades.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 06:47 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Joan Walsh at February 11, 2016 06:48 PM (4ErVI)
I'll bet the vagina charts came in handy before they invented the sextant.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:48 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:26 PM (9XzdI)
Be careful about sliding anywhere: You might break a hip.
Posted by: RickZ at February 11, 2016 06:48 PM (Ix+HS)
Oh, good because I don't know her either.
Posted by: tu3031 at February 11, 2016 06:48 PM (YFFpo)
And if I know teh Horde, this'll be the tenth or so time somebody's posted it.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (zOTsN)
Too late. We have already summoned the torch and pitchfork mob.
Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (7XeOt)
Posted by: Joan Walsh at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (4ErVI)
Given McCain's history of erratic behaviour, that he'd "go turbo" in office was a legitimate risk.
Sanders gives me more the vibe of being a Meroving monarch. They'll plant his drooling form upon the throne and the masters of the palace will run the country "for" him.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Joe Mama at February 11, 2016 06:18 PM (e6z6y)
Yeah, don't forget insulting all those young women who only want to meet boys.
Posted by: nerdygirl at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (+lVUW)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Bjorn Trumpalot at February 11, 2016 06:50 PM (8im/A)
Posted by: Mr Grey at February 11, 2016 06:50 PM (0cMkb)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (zOTsN)
Anti-Irishite.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 11, 2016 06:50 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Harry Reid (D) at February 11, 2016 06:46 PM (91LL3)
__
And those fucking creases in the pants. My god!!
Posted by: "Conservative" NYT Writer at February 11, 2016 06:50 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at February 11, 2016 06:50 PM (xInes)
Only here can you get something so fing funny and obscure as this.
Posted by: Willy J. at February 11, 2016 06:51 PM (Nkdwp)
Well, who runs Hollywood? (Mel Gibson)
Who runs the record industry (Ted Nugent)
Who runs Barter Town?
Posted by: Bjorn Trumpalot at February 11, 2016 06:51 PM (8im/A)
Posted by: tu3031 at February 11, 2016 06:51 PM (YFFpo)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 11, 2016 06:52 PM (LUgeY)
the guy PC Police in the Nugent thread? he was complaining about US tax dollars going to Israel. Said he was in the Navy
but then he admits he is CANADIAN. i think he is a member of the religion of peace
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 06:52 PM (zOTsN)
Given McCain's history of erratic behaviour, that he'd "go turbo" in office was a legitimate risk.
Sanders gives me more the vibe of being a Meroving monarch. They'll plant his drooling form upon the throne and the masters of the palace will run the country "for" him.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (6FqZa)
__
Yeah but the leftist loons saying McCain was too old had no idea who McCain was. He was just sold old white guy. But if it's THEIR old white guy...he's totes cool man.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 06:52 PM (0LHZx)
You haven't lived until you have seen a protracted vulva.
Posted by: Shit Euclid Said at February 11, 2016 06:52 PM (91LL3)
I am much more afraid of the left and their demonstrations and open hostility.
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:52 PM (9XzdI)
It's got to be sinking in that this may not happen, and there won't be another shot in 2020.
When this crystalizes into harsh certainty, look out. I could see a put-upon staffer strangling Hillary with a phone cord, or throwing her out a window. Huma and Cheryl too. Chelsea will get her own special ending.
Schadenfreude!
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2016 06:52 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:53 PM (8ZskC)
Same with atheists (there is a lot of crossover between the atheists and libertarians). Pro-life atheists will call themselves humanists and will say you can't have humanism without humans. [They might be near-autistic nerds, but such do enjoy extrapolating a code from first-principles.]
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 06:53 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Joan Walsh at February 11, 2016 06:53 PM (4ErVI)
We determined there was no direct evidence, but we burnt him at the stake anyway, just to be sure.
Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 06:53 PM (7XeOt)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:53 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2016 06:53 PM (iHjB5)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (8ZskC)
I think opinion was split between that and him just being a not-to-bright musician who people should not look to as a thought leader.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 06:53 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 06:54 PM (+4mdw)
I'd say He's right if He's referring to most of the Jews here.... Just look at their voting records...
Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:54 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: Bjorn Trumpalot at February 11, 2016 06:55 PM (8im/A)
Now suddenly not a peep about it. When I brought that up I got disgruntled "that's such a stupid thing to bring up" posts on Facebook from lefties. Yeah, it is.
Eat it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 06:55 PM (39g3+)
I want you morons to feel comfortable in your pantlessness.
I shall stroke your bare legs with a peacock feather.
Strangely enough, my cock is the exact length and girth of a Le Sueur Green Pea.
Posted by: Mr Grey at February 11, 2016 06:55 PM (0cMkb)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (8ZskC)
I think opinion was split between that and him just being a not-to-bright musician who people should not look to as a thought leader.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 06:53 PM (NPofj)
That is about the long and short of it.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2016 06:55 PM (iHjB5)
you guys were spectacularly funny, and made me have a happy morning reading your comments and the absurdity of it.
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:55 PM (9XzdI)
I want the right to do things. I also want the right for you to do things I don't like.
Faux Libertarian View: I want the right to do things. But if I don't like it, then you can't do it (see abortion, smoking, SSM, prostitution, salt intake).
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 06:55 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: blaster at February 11, 2016 06:55 PM (2Ocf1)
A proper path like Obama did for race relations then?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:56 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (8ZskC)
I have.
I can't understand why anyone would have any doubts.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 06:56 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Willy J. at February 11, 2016 06:56 PM (Nkdwp)
Did you weigh him first?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 11, 2016 06:56 PM (LUgeY)
Joan Walsh...sounds ....Irish
I want to apologize to all the Irish that may have been insulted by me in the Nugent thread. I was trying to make a point. I love you Irish folks, my maid of honor was Irish, I entered the Air Force on St Patricks Day (i was not drunk!). Nothing but Irish love here
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (zOTsN)
I don't know if I believe you. Here, eat this potato.
Posted by: Dinosaur Porn writer at February 11, 2016 06:57 PM (zt+N6)
and no they aren't women
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 06:57 PM (+4mdw)
Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 06:57 PM (zt+N6)
Doesn't seem like it was terribly effective. Yeah in 2012 it brought a surge of estrogen-charged retarded voting, but since then its gotten kind of stale and weak. Hillary is about the worst possible choice for grrl power anyway, having only gotten any of her jobs because of men and sucking at them all.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 06:57 PM (39g3+)
But I can say I've listened to Morrissey's music, and Johnny Marr's. Both of them have spouted some godawful stupid crap to the media as political-opinions. (Which is why they're not in any of Her Majesty's ministries.)
Basically if you take your political cues from teh Nuge, you're stupid, like some late-teenaged bi-curious boi from Leeds who goes vegetarian because meat is murder
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 06:57 PM (6FqZa)
and no they aren't women
Sucks to be you, man.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:58 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 11, 2016 06:56 PM (LUgeY)
We didn't have any scales large enough, but he floated when we threw him in the water.
Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 06:58 PM (7XeOt)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:58 PM (9XzdI)
Oh, ffs. Yes, Moo. Saying not to kill your own child is *exactly* like trying to ban salt.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 06:58 PM (f3Iw2)
Kind of like taking them from any of the Hollyweird "geniuses"
Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:59 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 06:57 PM (+4mdw)
are they old enough to buy beer?
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:59 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 06:57 PM (39g3+)
____
Plus it's idiotic to say women can't make it in a sexist America and then say "hey look at all the amazing things I''ve done that make me qualified to be president". Well it's idiotic to people with IQs above 75. To Democrats, it's effective.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 06:59 PM (0LHZx)
I will eat the potato, you can hit me with a shallaleigh and I will give you me lucky charms. And then we will have a greeen beer
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 06:59 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 06:56 PM (TOk1P)
Basically because he didn't say or write anything to lead to that conclusion. He just stupidly copied a really offensive picture.
Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 07:00 PM (7XeOt)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:00 PM (zOTsN)
I will eat the potato, you can hit me with a shallaleigh and I will give you me lucky charms. And then we will have a greeen beer
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 06:59 PM (zOTsN)
Are you willing to kiss a stone?
Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 06:58 PM (f3Iw2)
______
It kind of is. If you want liberty, you want liberty for things you don't particularly like. It can't just be liberty with an asterisks next to it.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (0LHZx)
we should lay a liveborn premie in front of them and ask them to abort it.
because honestly i'm sick of the total b.s of their obscure referencing to cells and blobs of parasitical tissue.
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 06:56 PM (TOk1P)
Basically because he didn't say or write anything to lead to that
conclusion. He just stupidly copied a really offensive picture.
Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 07:00 PM (7XeOt)
Right.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:59 PM (9XzdI)
yeah, they are in my advanced class
and, they have a big problem set due tomorrow, they should be at home working on it - oh well
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (+4mdw)
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 06:58 PM (f3Iw2)
I checked.... the punishment for the pimply teenager who over-salted your fries last Tuesday is THE EXACT SAME punishment as for first degree murder.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (NPofj)
A proper path like Obama did for race relations then?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:56 PM (8ZskC)
Now you've got it!
Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (zOTsN)
In Autumn 2015 Joan Walsh left Salon to become National Affairs Correspondent for The Nation.
How big of a joke is Salon? So big that leaving the site for the ancient wheezing Wobbly newsprint rag The Nation is considered a step up the career ladder.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)
We resolved that he copied a picture from a nazi website and published it on his FB, possibly thinking these particular Jews were fools for forgetting the history of their people. He then proceeded to defend both his poor choice of pictures and his philosemetic bona fides in a painfully mangled way, ultimately doing himself and the English language more harm than good.
Posted by: imp at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (XIXZz)
Your own child is just your property.
It's when you kill someone else's child that you've gone a bridge too far against the One Libertarian Principle - Property is Sacred.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (zOTsN)
Well now you're just overcompensating.
Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (zt+N6)
and enjoy the free beer, and that they thought of you .
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:03 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:03 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Jewells45 at February 11, 2016 07:03 PM (CNHr1)
Posted by: jumpininhere at February 11, 2016 07:03 PM (gEPdP)
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 06:56 PM (TOk1P)
Basically because he didn't say or write anything to lead to that
conclusion. He just stupidly copied a really offensive picture.
Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 07:00 PM (7XeOt)
Right.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (TOk1P)
____
AAAAAAND....
When called on that stupid picture he doubled down and defended it. It's kind of like the crime wasn't the problem, it was the coverup.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:03 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:03 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (zOTsN)
Don't forget all the glorious beer and Irish whiskey to wash down the food that has all been boiled for 37 hours.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:03 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: imp at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (XIXZz)
I can't find where he did that. You have the text?
Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 07:03 PM (7XeOt)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:04 PM (zOTsN)
I want the right to do things. I also want the right for you to do things I don't like.
No, that is too egoistic.
Rights are not rationalized by the self. They exist for every individual.
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:04 PM (+4mdw)
Are you willing to kiss a stone?
Posted by: buzzion
Or alternatively rub the cartilage off your nasal cavity on said stone.
Posted by: imp at February 11, 2016 07:04 PM (XIXZz)
Lauren, so many just really want to deny it's a child.
we should lay a liveborn premie in front of them and ask them to abort it.
because honestly i'm sick of the total b.s of their obscure referencing to cells and blobs of parasitical tissue.
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (9XzdI)
I'd rather hold a scalpel to their throats, and then have a discussion about which trimester becomes acceptable to them. Because to me, I can't understand how to make the line make sense. First, second, third, or 900th trimester. What difference does it make? And if you love you some abortions, obviously it's not YOUR choice whether you get aborted or not.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 07:04 PM (TOk1P)
No it is not. Not remotely. Unless you are a complete anarchist who rejects all laws against murder, you accept that society has a role in keeping us from killing one another.
So unless laws against 1st degree murder are "kind of like" laws against salt, stfu.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:04 PM (f3Iw2)
Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (zt+N6)
Kidney or rolling?
Posted by: RickZ at February 11, 2016 07:04 PM (Ix+HS)
Posted by: jumpininhere at February 11, 2016 07:05 PM (gEPdP)
If he hauled off and decked her for it, I'd register Democrat and vote for the geezer. But he'd just cringe and apologize for his gender or something.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 07:05 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:03 PM (0LHZx)
I can't find where he did that. You have the text?
Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 07:05 PM (7XeOt)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:05 PM (9XzdI)
we should lay a liveborn premie in front of them and ask them to abort it.
"
Oh they will say yes. They told me I should kill my already born child because "he will never be anything but a drain on the system."
Because they are mother fucking nazis.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:05 PM (f3Iw2)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:05 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:04 PM (f3Iw2)
_____
Aborting a fetus usn't 1st degree murder. I know you desperately want it to be, but it's not.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:06 PM (0LHZx)
complete anarchist who rejects all laws against murder, you accept that
society has a role in keeping us from killing one another.
So unless laws against 1st degree murder are "kind of like" laws against salt, stfu.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:04 PM (f3Iw2)
I have been reading Reason lately, and it sure does seem that they have veered pretty far into anarchism-land over there - well the commenters anyway. The staff appears to be prog-lite
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:06 PM (+4mdw)
Ronaldus Maximus' father was an Irish Catholic from Tipperary, you'll recall, wasn't a Republican at first and was always somewhat of an outsider in the GOP.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2016 07:06 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: Skip at February 11, 2016 07:06 PM (BkhW6)
because honestly i'm sick of the total b.s of their obscure referencing to cells and blobs of parasitical tissue.
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (9XzdI)
They would in a heart beat and without blinking...
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:07 PM (NPofj)
He then proceeded to defend both his poor choice of pictures and his philosemetic bona fides in a painfully mangled way, ultimately doing himself and the English language more harm than good.
Posted by: imp at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (XIXZz)
In many ways, this is the story of Trump.
Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 07:07 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:07 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:07 PM (+4mdw)
Yes or no. Do you believe that the government has a legitimate role in legislating homicide?
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:07 PM (f3Iw2)
Okay, here's the thing with the Democratic primary: everyone imagines they are supporting the one candidate who can save us from the abyss and feel aggrieved and belittled by the other side. I am personally a Bernie Sanders supporter, but the truth is that this is not a battle between good and evil so much as an awkward contest between two animals who evolved in entirely different ecosystems.
Hillary Clinton is like a grizzled hunter in the Amazon. Every day is a battle for survival. She has suffered every venom and poison imaginable and from her time as being the wife of a Democratic governor in a red state to being Secretary of State to the most besieged administration in modern history, she has lived her entire life in a rainforest filled with things determined to kill her. Her political survival instincts have adapted accordingly.
Bernie Sanders is like a wallaby. He hails from the benign ecosystem known as Vermont, where he lacks any natural predators. He will be the beloved senator from Vermont for as long as he cares to be. So he hops around wherever he wants, unafraid that anyone might use his words to crucify him. Propose a $15 minimum wage? Just have a friendly chat with anyone who disagrees. Call yourself a "socialist?" Sure, why not? We're all friends here. On the other side of the world, though, if Hillary Clinton channels her inner Eleanor Roosevelt, the Republicans call it a seance. Write a few State Department e-mails from your personal server? Suddenly there's a major Congressional investigation, even though nobody cared when previous Secretaries of State did exactly the same thing.
Bernie's instincts have evolved so he feels no danger in exposing his head to say what he thinks, however far afield it may be from current political reality. Hillary's instincts, on the other hand, have adapted in a harsher environment, where extreme cautiousness and distrust are rewarded.
Likewise, the two candidates' strengths and weaknesses are a direct consequence of their respective environments. Three decades of jungle warfare against Republicans has left Hillary battle-tested and well-versed in the dark arts of political campaigning. She will, I have no doubt, annihilate whoever emerges from the Republican Convention and be drinking out of their skull by November. But at the same time, this experience has made her reticent to take strong positions, to say things that could be later used against her. She tends to "evolve" rather than stand on principle. Bernie has no such qualms, and has from the very beginning taken principled stands on the Iraq War, universal health insurance, gay marriage, etc. which while controversial at the time, have since been borne out by history. He is the forward-thinking visionary that Hillary is not, but he also seems naively unprepared for the shitwave of dirty tricks and false accusations that will come his way if and when he has to run a national campaign against a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz.
I'm not telling you who to vote for in the Democratic primary. Thanks to decades of self-selecting news coverage, extreme right wing radio, and the derangement induced by the reality that the white male vote is no longer enough to carry national elections, the GOP field has been reduced to an incoherent fever dream of xenophobia and obsolescence. Either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders would be infinitely preferable to anyone in that mental ward. This primary is not a choice between good and evil, as some Democrats have made it out to be, but rather the choice between different types of leaders, the visionary vs the tactician, whose approach to politics has largely been forged by differences in environment rather than character.
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 07:07 PM (5HBd1)
Because they are mother fucking nazis.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:05 PM (f3Iw2)
i'm very sorry *hugs Lauren*
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:07 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 11, 2016 07:07 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 07:08 PM (5HBd1)
I mean, she's been around the DC media set I assume she did something of value early in her career to make her opinions valued on all these talking head shows.
Or maybe she's just always been useful spouting the latest talking points w/great passion?
So tired of these well-connected people and their stupid opinions acting like we should care...
Posted by: Lizzy at February 11, 2016 07:08 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:08 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:08 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Hillary at February 11, 2016 07:09 PM (c7vUv)
Posted by: jumpininhere at February 11, 2016 07:09 PM (gEPdP)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 11, 2016 07:09 PM (NeFrd)
Because they are mother fucking nazis.
Posted by: Lauren
{{{Lauren}}}}
then they are dead inside and thats why God gave him to you
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:09 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: jumpininhere at February 11, 2016 07:10 PM (gEPdP)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 07:10 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 11, 2016 07:10 PM (NeFrd)
seem to be OK with aborting girls.
And not all that concerned about real rape, and the one culture that endorses it; easier to focus on the nebulous, flexible "rape culture" of white frat boys.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 11, 2016 07:11 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 11, 2016 07:11 PM (Weyc+)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:12 PM (kpqmD)
Thanks. People are just awful sometimes. It was fun to bring out the Nazi propaganda poster they used against the disabled that said something like "This man costs $500 a year to care for. Dear German, that's your money too!"
You know, to justify killing him. Of course they just show GOOOOOODWIN and pretend they aren't the exact same monster.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:12 PM (f3Iw2)
Posted by: Jewells45 at February 11, 2016 07:12 PM (CNHr1)
that is awfulPosted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:12 PM (+4mdw)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at February 11, 2016 07:12 PM (xg/Ng)
Posted by: Les Francais at February 11, 2016 07:12 PM (AfsKp)
*****
Like a rainbow Pap smear?
I think you mean a mind that is prone to idle speculation.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 11, 2016 07:12 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:13 PM (zt+N6)
i do understand we should not legislate whom can fk who, because adults
but when the result is another life, why are libertarian views so shallow?
and not address there IS another life involved
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:13 PM (9XzdI)
Trump can bring the Scots-Irish, the Irish and others into the GOP fold, but the Country Club Beltway C*nts don't want them. Cue Blazing Saddles.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2016 07:13 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: Lizzy at February 11, 2016 07:13 PM (NOIQH)
Yeah I made the mistake of having a family picture of his coming home from the hospital as the header to my pro-life blog.
And some pro-abortion goons found it and dedicated an entire forum to how "fugly" he was. That was super awesome.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:14 PM (f3Iw2)
we should lay a liveborn premie in front of them and ask them to abort it.
"
Oh they will say yes. They told me I should kill my already born child because "he will never be anything but a drain on the system."
Because they are mother fucking nazis.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:05 PM (f3Iw2)
Fuck them and everyone who thinks like them.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:14 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: The Friends of Goth Fonzie at February 11, 2016 07:14 PM (YFFpo)
She was instrumental in bringing the West Coast offense into the NFL but she's lost a few miles per hour off he fastball.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2016 07:14 PM (/tuJf)
Gah. I know. I just saw his pathetic moral equivalence and went all THIS WILL NOT STAND on him.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:15 PM (f3Iw2)
Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:13 PM (zt+N6)
This. It's best just to ignore him, even though I don't always take my own advice on the subject.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:15 PM (kpqmD)
know he's a miserable unlikable shit that worships death like the sick
freaks of Planned Parenthood.
Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:13 PM (zt+N6)
Exactly. Not worth the time/effort/emotional cost.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 07:15 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:15 PM (6FqZa)
i srsly cannot grok their mentality.
If we are worried about drains on a system , you would think they would be committed enough to do away with themselves in solidarity with their beliefs.
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:16 PM (9XzdI)
we should lay a liveborn premie in front of them and ask them to abort it.
"
Lay me down. Let them try. Yeah. 7 month old premie on Nov of '62.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 11, 2016 07:17 PM (geVJ9)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:17 PM (6FqZa)
God does not make junk and I will pray that he holds you both in the palm of His hand.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:18 PM (NPofj)
Yeah, strange how it's always *other people* who should pay the price for their beliefs right?
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:18 PM (3DIzJ)
Many frame this as when does life begin? I frame it as when does infanticide begin?
If Hillary had her way, the "fetus" isn't safe until "it" is discharged from the hospital.
Personally, I'd support a 40 - 60 day quickening, but YMMV.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2016 07:18 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2016 07:14 PM (/tuJf)
I would think so. She's been dead since 1959. She did win 40 games in 1908 though, and she's in the Hall of Fame... although maybe she doesn't quite deserve to be... still, that should count for something.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 07:19 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:19 PM (3DIzJ)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:19 PM (6FqZa)
Between that post and the idiot relative that luvs her some Black Panthers, I think I've had enough of the 60s for today.
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 07:19 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:07 PM (f3Iw2)
____
I'm not playing this game of yours. An abortion isn't homicide.
And yes I know, I know in some states if you kill a pregnant mother you get charged with 2 murders. I've heard it all a million times.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:19 PM (0LHZx)
John Adams had some issue with Philadelphia being overrun.
You went way past what I remember from school,
Posted by: le fluffy at February 11, 2016 07:19 PM (AfsKp)
How often do you hear women say they are having a baby?
How often do you hear women say they are having an abortion?
Have you ever heard a pro-choice and pregnant woman who wants the baby call s/he a fetus at ANY point during her pregnancy?
Instinctively we all know what's right and wrong here, we can't help it.
Some will rationalize the wrong, and horrifically the root of that is simple convenience.
Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 07:19 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 07:20 PM (39g3+)
"but when the result is another life, why are libertarian views so shallow? and not address there IS another life involved"
Because they don't recognize a higher power, the world revolves around them.
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:21 PM (+4mdw)
Oh they will say yes. They told me I should kill my already born child because "he will never be anything but a drain on the system."
The same people outraged over claiming Obamacare includes 'death panels.'
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 07:21 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Harry Belafonte ( accurate in the deeper sense ) at February 11, 2016 07:21 PM (8CdUx)
It's not a game. It's an honest question. One that you answer through your silence.
And of course abortion is homicide. A human fetus is human. Abortion kills said human. Abortion is homicide.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:21 PM (3DIzJ)
Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 07:22 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:22 PM (0LHZx)
Yikes, that's just.....I can't even conceive of what would make someone do that.These people are filled with hate, huh?
Not surprising they did the Satanic chants at the Austin state house.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 11, 2016 07:22 PM (NOIQH)
And yes I know, I know in some states if you kill a pregnant mother you get charged with 2 murders. I've heard it all a million times.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:19 PM (0LHZx)
you do realize in some countries weeks of gestation are addressed if the baby is aborted later than those regarded as legal ..in THOSE cases is it than homicide?
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:22 PM (9XzdI)
How many trimesters are ok? If you stop at three, why? Babies aren't exactly learning calculus in the fourth trimester.
How long after conception did you become a person?
Posted by: fluffy at February 11, 2016 07:22 PM (AfsKp)
i do understand we should not legislate whom can fk who, because adults
but when the result is another life, why are libertarian views so shallow?
and not address there IS another life involved
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:13 PM (9XzdI)
Well, the "libertarian view" is kind of split on the issue. If you look at a fetus as a "clump of cells," then being against abortion is religiously motivated.
If you look at a fetus as a "unique human with unique DNA" who has the inalienable right to life, then you see being against abortion as being pro-liberty.
...So... I mean I get both sides.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 07:23 PM (AkOaV)
First Catholics in America-to-be would probably be the settlers of Maryland IIRC. Those were English.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:23 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:23 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 07:23 PM (5HBd1)
And of course abortion is homicide. A human fetus is human. Abortion kills said human. Abortion is homicide.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:21 PM (3DIzJ)
____
That's your opinion. I can respect your opinion, as much as I disagree with it. You might try doing the same.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:23 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: ThunderB
Dress like Maureen O'Sullivan in Tarzan and His Mate and all is forgiven.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:23 PM (1xUj/)
Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:23 PM (zt+N6)
You forgot bloodthirsty and vile.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:24 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: fluffy at February 11, 2016 07:24 PM (AfsKp)
And of course abortion is homicide. A human fetus is human. Abortion kills said human. Abortion is homicide.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:21 PM (3DIzJ)
Seriously, Lauren. The prick has the nerve to come back at you, after reading your comments here. He doesn't deserve your response. He's an empty, cruel, useless-to-this-site troll. As with all trolls, the truth always applies: don't feed them.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 07:24 PM (TOk1P)
Hillary is a god-awful campaigner. Even with Bill and the committed support of an entire Administration-in-Waiting she's losing -- Again!
It's not just her baggage. She doesn't like people and it shows. Her campaign rhetoric is narcissistic: my accomplishments, my experience .....
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2016 07:24 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:22 PM (0LHZx)
Okay, so I have the right to control my own body.
Suppose I choose to control my body, by grabbing a knife and plunging it into your heart. Of course you would want this action criminalized. But why? Doesn't it infringe on my control over my body?
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:24 PM (+4mdw)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:22 PM (0LHZx)
Moo, as I said (after your comment, to be fair), it comes down to how you view a fetus.
If it's a clump of cells in a womans body, then yes -- abortion on demand is a liberty view.
If it's a human life with unique DNA living inside another person -- well, then the fetus has the same right to life as any other person.
So... I don't know.... I mean I can see both sides.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 07:24 PM (AkOaV)
or they man /woman just does oral for satisfaction?
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:25 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:22 PM (0LHZx)
*****
That is because there is more than one body involved here, ghoul.
Posted by: Tim in GA at February 11, 2016 07:25 PM (v/uaY)
Reason's comments has always been full of weirdos.
Hey! You shut up!
Posted by: The Friends of Goth Fonzie
Hey, Stunad! We're standing right here!
Posted by: Alyssa Milano, as Told To Nick Gillespie
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2016 07:25 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 07:25 PM (5HBd1)
Suppose I choose to control my body, by grabbing a knife and plunging it into your heart. Of course you would want this action criminalized. But why? Doesn't it infringe on my control over my body?
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:24 PM (+4mdw)
That's not quite fair -- you're infringing on MooMoo's right to life by stabbing him.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 07:25 PM (AkOaV)
Because it is not YOUR body. Notice that no one gives a damn if you get a mole removed or a tooth pulled. Do you need a diagram? Here you go.
Your body ->( (someone else's body) )
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:25 PM (3DIzJ)
Srsly, Moo; give it up.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (6FqZa)
what has Hillary promised to get the Back Caucus endorsement? Reparations?
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (zOTsN)
And the entire system is set up to make us doubt that gut reaction.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (Z8DIA)
Should've gone with an I'm Ted and I approve at the end.
Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (DL2i+)
...which is exactly what abortion does to the child.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (3DIzJ)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Proteus_Steinmetz
Hunchbacked dwarf with hip displasia.
Held 200 patents in the field of electrical theory and engineering. As influential as Tesla or Edison.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Mister Christopher (in Atlanta!) at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (EZkAS)
I believe that is known as "The Full Nugent"
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Bjorn Trumpalot at February 11, 2016 07:27 PM (8im/A)
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:21 PM (3DIzJ)
____
That's your opinion. I can respect your opinion, as much as I disagree with it. You might try doing the same.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:23 PM (0LHZx)
It's not a matter of opinion. Do you think a human fetus is a cat? a kangaroo? a lion? what the hell would it be but a human being with a God given fundamental right to his or her own life?
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:27 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 07:27 PM (5HBd1)
Yes. I wasn't trying to imply the French were first, just that they precede the Irish. The "Know Nothings" were worked up about German Catholics.
Posted by: fluffy at February 11, 2016 07:27 PM (AfsKp)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 07:25 PM (AkOaV)
Which is my point. The whole "right to control my body" argument is a red herring. Of course I have the right to control my own body, but not to extend that control over killing another human being.
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:27 PM (+4mdw)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 07:24 PM (AkOaV)
___
My god you monster!!!!
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:27 PM (0LHZx)
to some an evacuation of parasitical cells.
will celebrate the same parasitical cells being introduced to the world as a child 1 day or hour later
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:28 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:28 PM (zOTsN)
But only one side is scientifically accurate. That's like saying "well, I can see both sides. One one hand you say that water is wet, but this guy says it's dry. It's complicated."
No. A fetus is a human being with unique DNA from the moment of conception. The end.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:28 PM (0C2f1)
Posted by: fluffy at February 11, 2016 07:22 PM (AfsKp)
Fluffy, in ancient Rome, circa 500 BC, a child could legally be killed by its parents up to what was called the "age of reason" or around 4 years of age. Before then it was thought that the child didn't know enough to be a true human under the law.
So, we've moved in the right direction at least. I'm sure some parents would have liked this law extended to teenagers, but that's a different discussion.
Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 07:29 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (3DIzJ)
I tend to agree. But I can see why people think differently. I think this is more of a "hearts and minds" thing then anything else.
And I'm most definitely not trying to pick a fight with you.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 07:29 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 11, 2016 07:30 PM (Weyc+)
Posted by: mememilk at February 11, 2016 07:30 PM (cAA5P)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:30 PM (9XzdI)
I can't do the same because it is not my opinion it is scientific fact. A new, unique life is formed at amphimixis. The species? Human.
So...what's the alternative narrative here?
That's indisputable.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:31 PM (0C2f1)
Primal voices that speak of unspeakable diversity and inclusion.
Posted by: Fritz at February 11, 2016 07:31 PM (BngQR)
Posted by: Tim in GA at February 11, 2016 07:31 PM (v/uaY)
they pull out the utilitarian argument to kill infirm human beings
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel
Interesting to see that argument on the day they're wheeling out Stephen Hawking to take a bow on Gravity Wave Day.
If they had an ALS test and abortion on demand when he was in utero, what would his chances have been?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2016 07:31 PM (kdS6q)
No. A fetus is a human being with unique DNA from the moment of conception. The end.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:28 PM (0C2f1)
Fair enough.
But Moo holds a view held by many. I tend to think they're wrong, but I think the two sides of this argument come at this issue from such different views that it's hard to have a conversation without people like Moo coming off like a dick and without people against Moo coming off like religiously motivated angry people.
::ducks and hides::
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 07:31 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 11, 2016 07:32 PM (hJrjt)
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:27 PM (+4mdw)
____
Only if you think the fetus is a "human being". That what it comes down to. You think it is. I don't think it is, at least not in the first few weeks.
And as I have said about a trillion times here, I do not want later term or partial birth abortions.
It's not that fucking complicated.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:32 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo got a 'b' at o-level because he wasn't that good in high school either at February 11, 2016 07:32 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Jewells45 at February 11, 2016 07:32 PM (CNHr1)
give us a C
give us a U
give us a N
give us a T
give us a S
What's that spell?
What's that spell?
What's that smell?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 11, 2016 07:32 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 07:33 PM (BO/km)
She was instrumental in bringing the West Coast offense into the NFL but she's lost a few miles per hour off he fastball.
she also sang and played guitar for the Eagles
Posted by: flawless male logic at February 11, 2016 07:33 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Jewells45 at February 11, 2016 07:32 PM (CNHr1)
Moo being an idiotic, nasty and fact-deficient twat on the subject of abortion, per usual.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:33 PM (kpqmD)
I'm nicer in most places. Here I'm mean because I figure you can all take it.
But yes, it is frustrating having to patiently explain 9th grade science to people again and again only to have them say "yeah, but I just don't feel that way y'know?"
It's a sad case when facts don't matter and people are dumb and you have to say "ok, the ground told me it wants water!"
(not to you in particular, just having had this conversation 100000 times I've seen the trend)
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:34 PM (0C2f1)
Posted by: Willy J. at February 11, 2016 07:34 PM (Nkdwp)
I'm not playing this game of yours. An abortion isn't homicide.
You and I both know its the willfully killing of a human being, its just legal now. That doesn't make it any less murder, its just legal murder.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 07:35 PM (39g3+)
Here's an article on Kermit Gosnell:
http://theatln.tc/1plpuTU
Please take a look at the picture and tell me if you think that is a clump of cells or a child. Gosnell thought it was a clump of cells and joked about killing them. It is a slippery slope and we should not have gone down it. I like to remind pro abortion folks that birth control is covered under Obamacare and can even be picked up at the supermarket (if you like the kind that also prevents STDs).
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 07:35 PM (5HBd1)
Which is completely unscientific and based on absolutely nothing.
I think that my bank account is bigger than Trumps!
Why won't anyone take my million dollar check!?
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:35 PM (0C2f1)
Held 200 patents in the field of electrical theory and engineering. As influential as Tesla or Edison.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (oVJmc)
Or Toulouse-Lautrec who was disabled and was also an artistic genius of explosive productivity who generated 737
canvases, 275 watercolors, 363 prints and posters and 5,084 drawings in a career of fewer than 20 years.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:35 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:33 PM (kpqmD)
_____
Is this how you try and bring people over to your side?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:36 PM (0LHZx)
okay.. what did I miss??
Posted by: Jewells45
Some people will never understand the difference between getting the good type of attention, and getting the bad type of attention.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2016 07:36 PM (kdS6q)
None of my arguments against abortion have anything to do with religion, and they never have. That is another red herring, that all of us pro-lifers are just parroting Scripture. It isn't true in the slightest.
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:37 PM (+4mdw)
Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 07:37 PM (BO/km)
Like a drug addict or criminal they have to decide for themselves to follow their deepest knowledge about right or wrong.
Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 07:37 PM (3myMJ)
It's a preferable distraction. No showers inferred.
Posted by: fluffy at February 11, 2016 07:38 PM (AfsKp)
to. You think it is. I don't think it is, at least not in the first few
weeks.
So if it's not a human being, then what species does it belong to? Orangutan?
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:38 PM (+4mdw)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 07:38 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:38 PM (2x3L+)
With practice you could put one of these drains into their carotid.
http://tinyurl.com/zdwry6k
Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2016 07:38 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 11, 2016 07:39 PM (JO9+V)
Same goes for everything else...
you don't like guns, don't own one
you don't like gay marriage, don't marry someone of your own sex
you don't like salt, don't fucking eat salt.
you don't like drugs, don't do drugs
But leave me the fuck alone to do the opposite of what you don't like if I choose to.
THAT is libertarianism.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:39 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 07:39 PM (BO/km)
Liberals beclown themselves again.... is there no level of stupidity they won't stoop to to get hillary back into the whitehouse??
Posted by: cathymv at February 11, 2016 07:39 PM (jw3dr)
Hillary: "With this ring, I shall rule over all of Middle Earth! The time of men and elves is at an end!"
Sanders: "Precioussssssssssssss!!!!!"
I think that's how they both see the Presidency, too.
Posted by: Qoheleth at February 11, 2016 07:39 PM (iIzG7)
I don't think I've ever used a single religious argument against abortion.
Maybe if I were talking to one of the annoying assholes from RCRC or something.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:40 PM (3DIzJ)
Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 07:40 PM (BO/km)
(Please, movie, don't fork this up.)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:40 PM (6FqZa)
I have no interest in attempting to bring you to my side. Your bloodlust cannot be abated by reason or facts, as you have repeatedly demonstrated. So if I seek to address you or talk about you I will direct to you all the opprobrium your vile, hateful nature deserves.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:40 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 07:40 PM (39g3+)
The moment before conception: no living being at all
The moment of conception, until "a few weeks" later: ????
The moment after "a few weeks": a living human being!
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:40 PM (+4mdw)
Again, does this go for all killing or just prenatal killing?
Don't like rape? Don't rape someone!
Don't like murder? Don't kill your roommate!
But leave it legal to prove your libertarian cred!
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:41 PM (3DIzJ)
They are just relentless and without empathy of any degree.
Can we have an One Time Never to be Done again Vote Someone Off the Blog?
Most trolls give up after a few months or just pop in now and then to stir things up but they are just so persistent and so consistently despised.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 11, 2016 07:41 PM (Xo1Rt)
i can pray now, although i'm not certain where it goes. But i will do so.
and she isn't alone many of us have done that or know someone who has been there and survived.
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:41 PM (9XzdI)
It's not that fucking complicated.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:32 PM (0LHZx)
Wow, that's very interesting. So there is a spot somewhere in the pregnancy process where you aren't comfortable. I don't understand why you would feel this way.
If you think the flesh unit is too human at say 20 weeks, aren't you taking a chance at 19? 18?
This is very strange to me. If abortion is OK "early", how can it be bad "later" and where's the line between life and whatever?
Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 07:42 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:42 PM (6FqZa)
Didnt Ace rail against this type of fighting? It's non productive.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 07:42 PM (iQIUe)
Don't like gay marriage? Well you will be made to celebrate it anyway.
Don't like the Feds owning all the land? Well they can never have enough.
The Left is not about leaving you alone to make your own choices. The Left is about forcing you to accept what THEY want.
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 07:42 PM (5HBd1)
Lobster. No wait, it's a fish! No, a wombat!
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:42 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:42 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Skip at February 11, 2016 07:43 PM (BkhW6)
The moment before conception: no living being at all
The moment of conception, until "a few weeks" later: ????
The moment after "a few weeks": a living human being!
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:40 PM (+4mdw)
It's the underpants gnome theory of where babies come from.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:43 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 07:43 PM (BO/km)
I'm not wading into this mess again, but I do have something good to
offer. This girl, her name is Shaylnn, you guys pray for her. She
almost went through with an abortion and changed her mind at the last
minute. The dad is a deadbeat and is in jail. This was a really brave
choice for her. Baby boy due in May.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:38 PM (2x3L+)
L, Elle, that is such an incredible story! Thank you
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:43 PM (+4mdw)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 11, 2016 07:43 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 07:43 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (zOTsN)
Actually called "Full Frontal Nugity"
Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (7XeOt)
Posted by: Kilgore Snout at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (kh0G4)
I like to call it the Personhood Fairy.
Sometime during the pregnancy the Personhood Fairy comes and turns us into people who can't be killed!
It's magical!
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (3DIzJ)
most luxurious Dark Tower where the Empire-State Building used to be"
Think Denethor with yuuuuge hair.
Posted by: Qoheleth at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (iIzG7)
Singing power to the puthey!
Power to the puthey
Power to the puthey
Power to the puthey, right on right on
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (iQIUe)
Lobster. No wait, it's a fish! No, a wombat!
Newts. Then it gets better.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (geVJ9)
Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (CRXed)
for all their sakes.
we also should demonstrate more compassion for a woman in that finds herself in that place.
and perhaps be willing to assist in her/ baby survival .
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (9XzdI)
you don't like guns, don't own one
you don't like gay marriage, don't marry someone of your own sex
you don't like salt, don't fucking eat salt.
you don't like drugs, don't do drugs
But leave me the fuck alone to do the opposite of what you don't like if I choose to.
THAT is libertarianism.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:39 PM (0LHZx)
So, I don't have to eat my Mom's lima beans or brussel sprouts or liver and onions? WooHoo!!
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (JO9+V)
I need new walking shoes, going to have to put off shopping for another week now.
Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2016 07:45 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:45 PM (3DIzJ)
The moment before conception: no living being at all
The moment of conception, until "a few weeks" later: ????
The moment after "a few weeks": a living human being!
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:40 PM (+4mdw)
It's the underpants gnome theory of where babies come from.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:43 PM (NPofj)
He's adopted deliberate, blazing ignorance so as to rationalize a bankrupt position.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:45 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:46 PM (2x3L+)
That's fine. Just don't fucking force me to fund your shit.
THAT'S fucking Libertarianism.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 11, 2016 07:47 PM (geVJ9)
Consider him a troll vaccine.
Eventually you learn not to contribute to bovine flatulence.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 11, 2016 07:47 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Skip at February 11, 2016 07:47 PM (BkhW6)
ace is our gracious host. Moo, not so much.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 11, 2016 07:48 PM (uURQL)
but everyone doesn't have to do both!
fk we aren't living in the 1700s we have ways to stop the cycle.
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:48 PM (9XzdI)
I liked MACHINES FOR SALE better.
Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 07:43 PM (sdi6R)
I am not interested unless there are lace wigs.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:49 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:49 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:45 PM (3DIzJ)
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Yeah, a real husband would be nice. Thanks for asking, Lauren. She has a lot of financial and emotional support from my parish, but it's still hard. Prayers. She needs prayers. I'm worried she will get a late term abortion.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:49 PM (2x3L+)
That's because Ace's position is not well formed. When he actually debates the issue you see all sorts of gaps in knowledge not just of his own position but also the pro-life platform. His understanding of motivation of pro-lifers and Christians is his blind spot.
Moo, however, fully understands the arguments and yet is seemingly incapable of learning anything and openly antagonizes everyone here with it.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:49 PM (3DIzJ)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:49 PM (9XzdI)
THAT is libertarianism.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:39 PM (0LHZx)
I said upthread that I have known both pro-life and pro-choice libertarians. It's a contentious issue even within the movement.
Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 07:49 PM (sdi6R)
I get the impression from ace that at least he wouldn't volunteer to conduct the trains to Poland. I get rather the opposite impression from Moo.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:49 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Jwalsh at February 11, 2016 07:50 PM (BO/km)
Glad to hear she has support, but I will definitely pray for her and her baby.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:50 PM (3DIzJ)
THAT'S fucking Libertarianism.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 11, 2016 07:47 PM (geVJ9)
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No argument from me there.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:50 PM (0LHZx)
God be with her and give her strength. I do understand the fear and desperation that a woman can face, especially one carrying a baby she didn't want and from a man she didn't want. But that baby can bring healing and something better from it all.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 07:50 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (9XzdI)
Oh I know it can be harsh. I see students in my class every semester, who have very difficult circumstances, they've made some poor choices, they had kids at a really young age and have to work to support themselves and their kids and so they can't devote as much attention to their studies as they should, so instead of the "college experience" they have to juggle "real-world" problems of child care and jobs and whatnot just to pass their classes. And by the way this is true for both men AND women. I try to give them the benefit of the doubt as much as I can. That makes me a "softie" I suppose, but I just think it is compassionate.
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:50 PM (+4mdw)
To this little "l" libertarian, you sound like an anarchist.
As a society, we still need to define when does infanticide begin. For Hillary, it's not until "it" is discharged from the hospital.
If up to me, I'd pick a 40 - 60 day "quickening" which has a scientific basis and comports with some religions.
Some insist it's at conception, and they're not wrong but this belief doesn't have broad national political support.
Because of the PP videos the Overton window on this issue can be moved on late term abortions. I'd suggest that the Pro-Life movement focus on this right now.
When Cruz's position on abortion gets more widely known, if he's the nominee it'll be a negative in the general.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2016 07:51 PM (r1fLd)
Pray for good things. Then The Left is Left fighting God. The Left is then Left behind. Obama and the Clintons are pathetic. I wouldn't wish their lives on anyone. They prayed for bad things.
Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 07:51 PM (CRXed)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (geVJ9)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (Weyc+)
Crybullying.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:49 PM (3DIzJ)
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I understand your argument and I think they are wrong. Your position here is the "my opponent is too stupid to understand my brilliance". Very Obamaesque of you.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (0LHZx)
Ditto what Lauren said, let us know if she needs something.
Unfortunately, I am fresh out of husbands (and she really doesn't want my slightly used ex because he has a proven record of child abandonment).
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:50 PM (+4mdw)
it's humane, and you are better for it.
, ok outside now.
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (9XzdI)
The moment of conception, until "a few weeks" later: ????
The moment after "a few weeks": a living human being!
It would be easier with a bootlog:
Installing Human1.0 - ok
Installing Soul1.0 - ok
Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:36 PM (0LHZx)
But we don't WANT you on our 'side'.
Get it?
And if we're on the 'other' side from you, why do you spend you're time here trying to bring us to 'your' side?
Face it. You're an egotistic narcisstic sadist who loves to torment those that appear to be having more fun with each other and in life than you are. Thus you feel compelled to introduce any stupid, ignorant, nonsensical, insensitive, demonic, iconoclastic, moronic, imbecilic position for the sole purpose of upsetting people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW!!
And you do this because you're REAL LIFE is bereft of friends and family who love you and care about you and wish to be with you. Because I can't believe that anyone who does could be as soulless and emotionally vampiric as you are.
You delight in the anguish and anger you cause, You feed upon it like some mindless entity lost in space in a Star Trek episode.
You are the definitive TROLL. You're only reason for commenting here is to derive some sad pathetic sense of esteem over others because of a false sense of superiority.
PLEASE; DIE IN A FIRE!
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 11, 2016 07:53 PM (Xo1Rt)
Crybullying.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (kpqmD)
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LOL! You guys call me a blood thirsty ghoul who loves to kill babies, but I'm the bad guy. OK. Sure.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:53 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 07:53 PM (BO/km)
Moo, you're really cold. You sound like a Nazi sometimes. You really should stop sounding like a Nazi. It's not a good way to go through life.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:54 PM (2x3L+)
Well when you reject 9th grade biology with a big "NU UH!!!" it doesn't exactly speak well of your intelligence.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:54 PM (3DIzJ)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:54 PM (6FqZa)
We talked it over, with her mother involved too of course. We all agreed she would bear the child and give him up for adoption. He's now a star athlete at a high school about 20 miles from us.
We all know we made the right decision.
Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 07:55 PM (3myMJ)
Moo, you're really cold. You sound like a Nazi sometimes. You really should stop sounding like a Nazi. It's not a good way to go through life.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:54 PM (2x3L+)
Ace is actually willing to acknowledge it as the taking of a life. Even when the baby is at a point in its growth that he would be ok with an abortion happening.
Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:56 PM (zt+N6)
Is he smarter than a 5th grader?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 11, 2016 07:56 PM (uURQL)
******
I was born 2 months premature and I was 2 lbs. 8 oz when born. My twin died, I somehow managed to hang on - in the era before neo-natal intensive care units.
So, I'm a bit touchy on this subject. I spent much of the first year of my life in the hospital and needed surgeries. The same sort of people who told Lauren to get rid of her child would have longed to leave me on a table to die.
Neonatalogists who fight for the lives of those tiny babies are heroes to me.
I find it absolutely obscene that a few blocks away from the closest NICU - where those babies are struggling for the lives, other babies are being hacked to bits. The unlucky ones. The ones whose humanity is denied because their mothers don't want them. I frequently think a country so morally decayed it permits this deserves every bad thing it's got coming to it.
Lauren, hugs and prayers for you and your little one.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at February 11, 2016 07:56 PM (P8951)
Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 07:56 PM (CRXed)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:54 PM (2x3L+)
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Dudes, you need to chill the fuck out on this. You really sound like lunatics. Stop and think how you sound to middle of the road people who are conflicted on the issue. Calling them nazis is not the way to convince them.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:56 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 07:56 PM (BO/km)
You need to re-read what you typed there. Of course you're the bad guy if you're a bloodthirsty ghoul who loves to kill babies, for crying out loud. I don't think you are, but if someone believes that of you, is it a shock they consider you a bad guy?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 07:57 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: PaleRider at February 11, 2016 07:58 PM (dkExz)
Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 07:58 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:58 PM (2x3L+)
A society that celebrates killing is to be despised.
A woman who finds herself abandoned (and let's get real here men, most abortions from women who aren't women's studies degree holders happen because the man doesn't step up) and pressured and has an abortion is much more sympathetic, if severely misguided.
We've created a system in which moral guideposts have been destroyed.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:58 PM (f3Iw2)
wrong. Your position here is the "my opponent is too stupid to
understand my brilliance". Very Obamaesque of you.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (0LHZx)
NO. Actually, that's YOUR position in all arguments.
You act as if only you have the facts and have come to the correct solution or answer and anyone saying anything otherwise needs to be administered you're perfected injection of self righteousness.
I think this is your most grating trait.
You never ever admit ever being wrong about anything. EVER.
I realize you're grinning with glee and soaking up the energy I'm expressing but you don't realize I've planted psychological worms in my writing that will later on tonight explode in your brain reducing it from it's hardened Nazi like Metallic form into a soft and tender one of love for all of humanity with a large amount of sympathy and caring for all humans and forever more you will feel compelled to try to show concern and caring for all other humans without being a self centered ass about it.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 11, 2016 07:59 PM (Xo1Rt)
*hugs* Donna. The world is a much better place because of your presence.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:00 PM (f3Iw2)
I will tell you this. I was relieved when I turned against abortion. Because the position you are trying to hold is like arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. You are trying to figure out that one spot in time where it goes from being okay to kill to not okay. We make medical advances all the time in premature babies survival rate. If you want to continue to go that route, say that it's okay to take a morning after pill. But if that doesn't do the trick, the woman needs to look at other options.
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:01 PM (5HBd1)
You did.
I'd make every young teenage girl watch the movie Juno. My daughter was 13 when it came out and it made a very strong impression on her and her friends: Don't get pregnant and if you do, adoption is an option.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2016 08:01 PM (r1fLd)
One day he will face it.
Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 08:01 PM (3myMJ)
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Moo, I was calling you a Nazi bc why not, but you do sort sound like one. You're just cold. Are you actually conflicted on this issue or do you mean all those other people who might be conflicted on this issue?
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 08:01 PM (2x3L+)
I would have to disagree strongly with that and it is a very nasty thing to make such a generalization and very sexist too.
I'm still on your 'side' as to poo poo and abortion though.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 11, 2016 08:02 PM (Xo1Rt)
Well in fairness, unless it is an indisputable error in fact, hardly anyone ever admits they are wrong on the Internet.
For instance, back in the day, I used to be pro-death-penalty, but it was Internet arguments which gradually changed my mind on the issue. Now I am anti. But I never admitted it to the people I argued with at the time. I just listened to what they said and changed my mind slowly over time.
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:02 PM (+4mdw)
One day he will face it.
Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 08:01 PM (3myMJ)
Apparently the electroshock therapy aborted four of his personalities. The other seven are still going strong though.
Posted by: Joan Walsh at February 11, 2016 08:02 PM (4ErVI)
Crybullying.
Posted by: Insomniac
The internet debate equivalent of a teenage girl cutting herself because you're being "totally unfair!!!" when you won't let her stay out past 9 PM on a school night.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2016 08:02 PM (kdS6q)
You WILL be made to CARE, Comrade Citizen!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2016 08:02 PM (wYnyS)
Honestly, if both parents and partners were supportive of women and girls who tell them that they are pregnant, we could almost completely eliminate abortion overnight.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:03 PM (f3Iw2)
I know, right? The "right to control one's body" argument doesn't magically stop at the third trimester. If a pregnant woman has the right to kill an unborn child 1 week after conception, why wouldn't the pregnant woman have the right to kill an unborn child 1 week before birth? Doesn't the "right to control one's body" still apply?
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:03 PM (+4mdw)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 08:01 PM (2x3L+)
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No I'm not conflicted. I believe what I believe. What I meant was when you call the other side Nazis, you lose the people in the middle who might be persuaded to your side. Kind of like when Dems call everyone they disagree with racists. It's amazing how similar you are to the far left and you don't even realize it (and by you I mean the royal anti-choice you).
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:04 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:58 PM (f3Iw2)
Ah, Lauren, you have condensed so many of out current set of problems into that one sentence!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2016 08:05 PM (wYnyS)
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Yeah, Lauren, some of the saddest people I know are women who have had abortions and have to live with that life long regret and remorse for that single decision. The ones who do it without feeling remorse or regret are living in denial or have no conscience
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 08:06 PM (2x3L+)
I worded it too strongly. I know that there are good men who fought to save their child and had no say in the matter at all and had to live with what the woman did.
But I've just seen so many women who tell their boyfriends/husbands/"special friends" that they're pregnant only to be told "Well, you're getting rid of it right?" or "You should have an abortion" or "I will fucking make you have an abortion" and then those women are left completely broken, and often abandoned, after they follow through with the demands.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:06 PM (f3Iw2)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 11, 2016 08:06 PM (Weyc+)
Really?
Don't think so. A bunch of demons captured a few agencies. God gave time to kick them out. Greed. Now God's laws are starting to kick in. Fear. A bunch of hard ass angels (you joining?) will kick out the demons. Suffering. Cycle starts anew. Hope.
Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 08:06 PM (CRXed)
Posted by: PaleRider at February 11, 2016 07:58 PM (dkExz)
Threadwinner!
Posted by: The guy that keeps yelling "Threadwinner!" at February 11, 2016 08:06 PM (sdi6R)
Gerald Van Der Leun at American Digest has a personal story about the abortions he was part of.
http://bit.ly/1TVLfuG
I'd encourage you to read it, as it's from a man's point of view and from someone that was pro abortion once.
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:08 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: Valkyrie Vinagrettes of Vaginal Solitude at February 11, 2016 08:09 PM (KyEyp)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 11, 2016 08:09 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: eleven at February 11, 2016 08:09 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 08:10 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: red speck at February 11, 2016 08:10 PM (9Xu0X)
Posted by: troyriser at February 11, 2016 08:10 PM (Yi5wO)
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:10 PM (f3Iw2)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:10 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:06 PM (f3Iw2)
...if impregnate I can pack a bag and be on my way. But good luck girl!
- The poet-rapper Lil' Dicky
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 08:11 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: eleven at February 11, 2016 08:09 PM (qUNWi)
No, really, it's safe.
We're not arguing over Pluto's status as a planet.
Yet.
Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 08:11 PM (sdi6R)
I want to apologize to all the Irish [...]
Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (zOTsN)
Too late. We have already summoned the torch and pitchfork mob.
Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (7XeOt)"
I seem to recall reading about an occasion in the 1920s when the Klan marched in South Bend, Indiana and were confronted by students from Notre Dame. The mele wound up in front of a grocery store which had baskets of potatoes in front. The students began throwing potatoes at the Klan marchers, eventually driving them from the street. The university was embarrassed by the incident because a crown of Irish throwing potatoes seemed to be too much of a stereotype.
Any way, it's not the torches and pitchforks you need to look out for but the hail of well aimed potatoes.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 08:11 PM (QHgTq)
Posted by: Josephistan at February 11, 2016 08:11 PM (7qAYi)
Don't I just have to go to Colorado with a willing partner for that?
Posted by: Willy J. at February 11, 2016 08:11 PM (Nkdwp)
reading the gosnell grand jury indictment really did... open my mind and change some of my preconceived notions.
Should be required reading for everyone on 'both sides' of the debate.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 08:12 PM (AkOaV)
Well, I'll tell you this. My mom, Hillary Super Volunteer extraordinaire, is panicking that Sanders is going to Obama her.
They're making big moves all over with Move On trying to secure the super delegates and Sanders making moves on the independents in states like Oklahoma that now allow independents to vote in primaries.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:12 PM (f3Iw2)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 08:10 PM (39g3+)
Heh. Well my wife is pretty far on the other side of the debate from me. So I don't think that applies to me.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:12 PM (0LHZx)
FYI
Richard Weaving
I Just Voted For " Donald J. Trump " In Florida's Primary Via Absentee Balloting
So, Super Tuesday has officially started.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2016 08:13 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:13 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 11, 2016 08:14 PM (VAsIq)
Another eye opening and horrible read is carhart v gonzales.
Carhart is every bit the monster that Gosnell was. He's killed several women, including a teenage girl with down syndrome.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:14 PM (f3Iw2)
But, I do work (imperfectly) at practicing Christian values. It is fine to argue the points with anyone, but Christians accept that we are all imperfect.
It's not like Moo Moo has had an abortion, it's just a discussion.
Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 08:14 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:14 PM (+4mdw)
Neither are big time federal issues for me though.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 08:14 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 11, 2016 08:14 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: ETF3 at February 11, 2016 08:14 PM (9Iv/+)
Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 08:15 PM (3myMJ)
One story is that aborted souls are born in other countries and migrate to parents that aborted them. An explanation for illegal immigrants.
No tears in heaven and everyone is here for reasons even if they can't articulate what those reasons are.
Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 08:15 PM (CRXed)
Those who advocate and perform abortionsdo what they do for the same reason the Sumerians and Babylonians did. Their whole 'movement' is fueled by the sacrifice of children.
Yeah, I know how I sound but it's what I believe, and I believe the devil is real.
Posted by: troyriser at February 11, 2016 08:15 PM (Yi5wO)
If she won't bite, I will. I'm pro death penalty. These are adults that
have broken the law. They have been convicted of a crime and have had
years of appeals to try and disprove the verdict. It is a question of
which is more important: the criminals life or the safety of the
citizens. I do think that we should not consider the death penalty in
cases where there is no physical proof. Many of the cases that were
overturned were based on eye witnesses that were wrong.
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:13 PM (5HBd1)
I would just say that (1) trusting the state with the legal power to take someone's life is placing a very large faith in a corrupt state to do something like that, and (2) protecting the citizens from horrible people doesn't have to include executing the horrible people.
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:16 PM (+4mdw)
Posted by: CowChickenBaby at February 11, 2016 08:16 PM (BO/km)
Do it at a local high school. Give each of the condemned a neon letter to hold.
When electricity is applied the name of the school is spelled out.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 11, 2016 08:17 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 11, 2016 08:17 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: two of spades (promotion pending) at February 11, 2016 08:17 PM (kh0G4)
What's your take on the death penalty? Yeay or Nay."
Ambivalence. As a Texan, I am of the opinion that some people need to be killed.
However, I don't particularly trust the government to carry it out.
On the other hand, that same government let my cousin's murderer go free in 5 years so I wouldn't cry any tears if he happened to be pushed off a cliff.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:18 PM (0C2f1)
Isn't putting someone in a cage cruel and unusual punishment?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 11, 2016 08:17 PM (FkBIv)
No more 'cruel and unusual' than when the Constitution was written.
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:18 PM (+4mdw)
Posted by: Willy J.
I was gonna have sex
But I forgot
Posted by: Why Libertarians are Disappearing at February 11, 2016 08:19 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 08:19 PM (kpqmD)
God please let the people who will create the conditions for the most happiness for me and mine win office. Let me be surrounded by happy successful people that love me and that I love.
Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 08:19 PM (CRXed)
For some it's an upgrade in lifestyle. Roof, heat, 3 squares...
Posted by: Willy J. at February 11, 2016 08:19 PM (Nkdwp)
Posted by: MAx at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (LAliD)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 11, 2016 08:17 PM (FkBIv)
No.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.
Amen!
Posted by: Madmartigan at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (VAsIq)
And ultimately... nobody is innocent, anyway.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (39g3+)
They want it all, they want it now, and they want a nice place to keep it.
Posted by: Fritz at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (BngQR)
Posted by: Hank at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (heuG3)
Posted by: chemjeff
Was there no capital punishment then?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (FkBIv)
I mean, I've sometimes wondered who my birth parents were and what they were like, but I've never had to contemplate nonexistence.
Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (Weyc+)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 11, 2016 08:17 PM (FkBIv)
isn't asking them to take Responsibility for committing an offense against another human like rape, murder, prudish and old school .
where's the Love in that!
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (9XzdI)
If your argument is a life is precious and shouldn't be killed, gotta be consistent across the board. Besides spending 50 years in prison is a worse punishment than a quick injection IMO.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:21 PM (0LHZx)
The only person here I've seen approaching abortion from a religious standpoint is moo moo, seeks to deny the scientific fact of a fetus being human until it reaches some certain point.
Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 08:21 PM (zt+N6)
For
instance, back in the day, I used to be pro-death-penalty, but it was
Internet arguments which gradually changed my mind on the issue. Now I
am anti. But I never admitted it to the people I argued with at the
time. I just listened to what they said and changed my mind slowly over
time.
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:02 PM (+4mdw)"
So which arguments did you find most persuasive?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 08:21 PM (QHgTq)
Yeah they do, because asshole prosecutors withhold exculpatory evidence, and incompetent defense lawyers do not challenge the prosecution on the merits
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:22 PM (+4mdw)
Posted by: MAx
Right? How many times was "you're" used instead of "your"?
Posted by: Turd Ferguson Missing the Point at February 11, 2016 08:22 PM (VAsIq)
To me it is saying that the crime the person committed was so heinous, they have forfeited their lives.
Or like putting down a rabid dog.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 11, 2016 08:22 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 11, 2016 08:17 PM (FkBIv)
It's a madhouse! A MADHOUSE!!
Posted by: Col "Bright Eyes" Taylor at February 11, 2016 08:23 PM (JO9+V)
That's not our argument. Our argument is that it is wrong with killing innocent people.
We do not GAF if Muhammad the ISIS Suicide Bomber gets a little help to his fate.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:23 PM (0C2f1)
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole
Probably the ones in all caps.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 11, 2016 08:23 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 08:23 PM (kpqmD)
But I forgot
I was gonna make love to you, but then I got high
Was gonna eat your pussy too, but I got high
Now I'm jerking off and I know why
Because I got high, because I got high, because I got high!
Posted by: Astro Man 5000 at February 11, 2016 08:23 PM (AfsKp)
I'm a big supporter of the DP. So sick of the lying about it. I have a list of murderers in TX who are over due to shuffle off this mortal coil:
Hank Skinner
Rodney Reed
Larry Swearingen
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 08:24 PM (iQIUe)
conditions for the most happiness for me and mine win office. Let me be
surrounded by happy successful people that love me and that I love.
Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 08:19 PM (CRXed)
I was always taught to pray that God's will be done... but I am still going to work as hard as I can to make sure Cruz wins.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 08:24 PM (NPofj)
Why would that be so difficult to understand?
Posted by: Hank at February 11, 2016 08:24 PM (heuG3)
But I've just seen so many women who tell their boyfriends/husbands/"special friends" that they're pregnant only to be told "Well, you're getting rid of it right?" or "You should have an abortion" or "I will fucking make you have an abortion" and then those women are left completely broken, and often abandoned, after they follow through with the demands.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:06 PM (f3Iw2)
At the protest in front of PP when the videos first came out, i saw several men standing there with signs saying "I regret telling my girlfriend to have an abortion." One man's sign said "My only child would be 35 today - if we hadn't aborted him."
Another guy posted here once about the guilt he has felt for decades because he pressured his girlfriend to get an abortion. I think there are probably many, many men who feel the same.
An OB/GYN who is a friend of mine is involved in the pro-life movement. She has told me that she has had countless patients break down and sob in her office because of the guilt they feel about abortion.
Yeah, at bottom everyone knows it's killing a human being. Everyone. It's just a question of how good you are at killing your own conscience and any feelings of guilt. Some are very very good at it. Others, not so much.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at February 11, 2016 08:24 PM (P8951)
That's the strawman routinely set up then knocked down with sophomoric bullshit.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: eleven at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (qUNWi)
Oh, and Linda Carty who is a big fat liar. And Darlie Routier (?) the mother who murdered her own children.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 08:21 PM (QHgTq)
The two biggest ones were:
1. I don't trust the state to know with enough certainty that any particular criminal is "guilty enough" to merit a penalty of death, after all, if the state is wrong then the aggrieved party can in principle get compensation but only if they are living
2. Many of the arguments in favor of the death penalty seemed to revolve around the idea of whether the criminal "deserved" to live - I just came to realize that whether someone "deserved" to live or not was a decision that the state ultimately had any authority to make. Sure scumbuckets do really terrible things, and whether someone "deserved" to die is a different question than whether someone ought to be legally executed.
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (+4mdw)
Either let them out of prison or, if they are too bad, force them to play Russian Roulette. Turn them lose if they hit an empty cylinder. Given a six shot revolver and the typical recidivist rate the bad guys will be dead faster than Texas executes them now. The problem currently is that incarceration and death row are very profitable businesses.
Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (CRXed)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (VAsIq)
____
Worst analogy. Ever.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:26 PM (0LHZx)
I would love to go back in time to 2000. Life was tough but at least I had hope....
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 08:27 PM (iQIUe)
And this is the thing that blows my mind as well about anti-abortion
peeps. Most (not all) are pro death penalty. Killing baby: bad. Killing
adult: good (or if not good, acceptable).
If your argument is a life is precious and shouldn't be killed,
gotta be consistent across the board. Besides spending 50 years in
prison is a worse punishment than a quick injection IMO.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:21 PM (0LHZx)"
Well, what if the argument is that the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for people who are guilty of some serious crimes but that children cannot be guilty of those crimes?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 08:27 PM (QHgTq)
Sure. Makes sense.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:28 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo
Right? Cuz that's your own: "If babies deserve to live, so do serial killers."
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 11, 2016 08:28 PM (VAsIq)
Ted Bundy, not so much.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 11, 2016 08:29 PM (hVdx9)
So don't kill mad dogs? The only reason for a state to kill anyone is that they are a danger to the state. Incarcerate all the dangerous on Martha's Vineyard and suddenly the death penalty will be enforced.
Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 08:30 PM (CRXed)
Posted by: Mr. Poopoo at February 11, 2016 08:30 PM (VAsIq)
be killed, gotta be consistent across the board. Besides spending 50
years in prison is a worse punishment than a quick injection IMO.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:21 PM (0LHZx)
Moo even you are not so dense that you are unable to understand the difference between a brand new life that has committed no crime and an adult that has committed a crime so heinous that the state deems death the appropriate penalty.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 08:30 PM (NPofj)
Assisted suicide is immoral because it creates an "obligation to die" on the vulnerable and pressures them into ending their lives for the sake of others.
If someone wants to kill themselves, they can. Society should not endorse the idea.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:30 PM (f3Iw2)
Juries are required by law to determine & weigh aggravating/mitigating circumstances in order to impose the death sentence. Who came up with this BS? Antis. Now, antis like Fappabee, uses it to argue against the DP.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 08:30 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 08:31 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 08:27 PM (QHgTq)
_____
OK. But I constantly hear how life is precious. And if life is precious, shouldn't ALL life be precious? Who are you to decide that Human 1 gets to live and Human 2 doesn't?
When I said I'm OK with abortion at say 12 weeks but not at 30 weeks, the argument against that is well about about 11.99 weeks. What is it between 11.99 and 12.0 weeks that magically changes a clump of cells into a human? OK. So using that same line of thought where is the line between killing someone and not killing someone as punishment for a crime? In both cases it's completely arbitrary.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:31 PM (0LHZx)
The point people seem to not comprehend about criminal sentencing is that its supposed to suck. That's the point: we punish people by punishing them. Prison is supposed to suck. Its supposed to be miserable and awful when you break the law and are punished for it. There's no reason for it to be sadistic and deliberately horrible, but its even worst to be too easy on the prisoner.
The second purpose of punishment is to take someone away from society to protect society and demonstrate that some things will not be permitted. Sometimes that message has to be permanent.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 08:32 PM (39g3+)
If you believe there is nothing, absolutely nothing, that merits the death penalty, that is your right.
However, if there are acts by people so vile that those carrying out that act do not deserve to be in the human race, then enforce the death penalty.
Note, this is different that abortion, which is an act on a human that had not acted, merely existed.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 11, 2016 08:32 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 08:21 PM (QHgTq)
The two biggest ones were:
1. I don't trust the state to know with enough certainty that any particular criminal is "guilty enough" to merit a penalty of death, after all, if the state is wrong then the aggrieved party can in principle get compensation but only if they are living
2. Many of the arguments in favor of the death penalty seemed to revolve around the idea of whether the criminal "deserved" to live - I just came to realize that whether someone "deserved" to live or not was a decision that the state ultimately had any authority to make. Sure scumbuckets do really terrible things, and whether someone "deserved" to die is a different question than whether someone ought to be legally executed.
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (+4mdw)
***
And these are persuasive, and give a thoughtful man pause, until he considers:
1) It's not the State rendering the verdict - it's a jury. The Law is a human institution, and therefore an imperfect one, but for all that, we do not discard the validity of a given human action or decision merely on the basis of the possibility of error;
2) "Deserve" has got nothing to do with it. To execute a criminal is to remove forever the possibility of the executed person ever again making war against his fellow human beings. It is an act of self-defense, and an affirmation of the value of human life.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2016 08:32 PM (/33sy)
Worst as in least effective, that is, because no one ever does that.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 11, 2016 08:32 PM (bLnSU)
The two biggest ones were:
1. I don't trust the state to know with enough certainty that any particular criminal is "guilty enough" to merit a penalty of death, after all, if the state is wrong then the aggrieved party can in principle get compensation but only if they are living
2. Many of the arguments in favor of the death penalty seemed to revolve around the idea of whether the criminal "deserved" to live - I just came to realize that whether someone "deserved" to live or not was a decision that the state ultimately had any authority to make. Sure scumbuckets do really terrible things, and whether someone "deserved" to die is a different question than whether someone ought to be legally executed.
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (+4mdw)
I tend to be OK with the death penalty (some people need killin'), but you make some good points.
Some prosecutors do tend to want to put notches in their belts in order to run for higher office. That's a real thing, and it should give all of us pause.
Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 08:33 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 08:31 PM (BO/km)
___
Again. It's all arbitrary. Do you kill a killer who killed 1 person? 2 people? 5 people? Do you kill someone who killed someone but then regrets it? How about if that person has kids? Do you kill that person knowing it will hurt kids? There are a million questions like this to consider. There is no absolute. Like deciding on a line of OK to abort, vs not OK to abort, it's arbitrary.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:34 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:14 PM (f3Iw2)
Damn, Lauren. Such evil.
Recently a friend of mine who adopted two children told me her 13 year old daughter and a friend of hers who was also adopted were accosted in the cafeteria by a classmate who told them that adoption is bad, and that fetuses aren't really "life". the little bitch also told them they were worth nothing because they didn't know where they came from.
I wonder where she got that line of thinking?
Posted by: stace at February 11, 2016 08:34 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: redbanzai
I think the problem is that Moo Moo thinks we are such simpletons that we are incapable of understanding something so complex as morality. The reason he thinks we are so stupid is because we don't agree with him.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 11, 2016 08:34 PM (VAsIq)
The restaurant is a mediterranean style, Thir is a very large Somali Population that lives here.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 11, 2016 08:34 PM (c4yY7)
Let's face it: without deathrows, who would European women marry???
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 08:34 PM (iQIUe)
Everyone is.
Everyone wants what they want.
If you mean public policy your argument is too emotional.
You just want what you want.
Don't know about you personally but most people want someone else to pay for what they want. Obamacare.
Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 08:34 PM (CRXed)
Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at February 11, 2016 08:35 PM (VAsIq)
but if the case is made and the evidence is actually there of guilt, dna, eyewitness, pictures, ornaments saved, than i'm good to help pull the lever.
babies committed only the crime of conception the parents was absolution from.
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 08:35 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 08:35 PM (9XzdI)
____
I'm using your logic against you. And shocker of all shocks, you run away from it. Meh.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:36 PM (0LHZx)
Killing another person is the minimum threshold.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:36 PM (f3Iw2)
I would be okay with restricting the death penalty and making it rare. My neighbor's teenage daughter was raped and murdered. We were at home and didn't notice anyone at the house when this happened. A friend of the family came by to take her four-wheeling. He took her off into the woods and raped her. Then he slit her throat so she couldn't tell. It was pretty easy to determine the killer. He is in jail because my neighbor did not want to go through a death penalty trial. And word is that the guy bragged about killing her, said it was just like slitting a deer's throat. I really do not want such people to be able to murder again.
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:36 PM (5HBd1)
"If your argument is a life is precious and shouldn't be killed, gotta be consistent across the board."
To be consistent across the board, once Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacey, and similar "things" did what they did, their lives became very much less precious ... existential threats, actually ... so something had to be done.
If you can find at least 1 fetus that has ever done something of their nature, then you have a legitimate argument.
Posted by: Arbalest at February 11, 2016 08:37 PM (FlRtG)
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:37 PM (f3Iw2)
But the more I thought about it the less I could find a logical argument why a fetus wasn't a child. Life is life.
But I didn't get to where I am by other people yelling at me or calling me immoral. That never works. Just like quitting smoking or losing weight, the only way it works is if the person themselves is open to the idea.
And yes, I absolutely support the death penalty for capital crimes and if you can't see the distinction between an innocent an someone who has gone through what is likely decades in our criminal justice system before they are finally put to death then I can't help you.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2016 08:38 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 11, 2016 08:39 PM (VAsIq)
Some prosecutors do tend to want to put notches in their belts in
order to run for higher office. That's a real thing, and it should give
all of us pause.
Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 08:33 PM (sdi6R)
A prosecutor in Texas just got not nearly enough punished for ginning up evidence to false convict someone who ended up on death row. I think the prosecutor got fired and disbarred but should have been charged, IMO, with attempted murder.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 08:39 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 08:39 PM (iQIUe)
Babies are innocent.
Convicted felons are not innocent.
>>> Sometimes that message has to be permanent.<<<
Posted by: Cottonwood Kulak at February 11, 2016 08:40 PM (EWRow)
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:40 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 08:40 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 08:39 PM (NPofj)
agrees with this.
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 08:40 PM (9XzdI)
Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 08:41 PM (3myMJ)
Figured. And dooooown the memory hole that one goes, I'm sure.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:41 PM (f3Iw2)
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:37 PM (f3Iw2)
__
Let's try again. You told me it's arbitrary to decide when a clump of cells becomes a human, therefore to err on the side of caution, no abortions should be allowed since you can't know the exact second a clump of cells becomes a human. I'm asking you why the same standard doesn't bother you with regards to capital punishment, which is also arbitrary. At what imaginary line is it OK for the state to kill a "bad" guy? How bad does he have to be?
Answer the question.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:41 PM (0LHZx)
I pray that never comes up. If someone threatens me and mine it could happen.
Who lives in a community that encourages mad dog behavior? A lot of big cities.
Why do they live there? Because they are going to be a big name in TV and Movies.
Why do those communities exist? Because sociopaths are drawn to politics. Because if you solve the problems the grateful public kicks you out and puts in someone who promises them a free lunch.
Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 08:41 PM (CRXed)
Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 08:42 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: donna
Apparently hell is going to be filled with stupid easily convinced young women. What's heaven offering again?
Posted by: Maxwell Smart, Agt. 86 at February 11, 2016 08:42 PM (QdAXQ)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:36 PM (0LHZx)
You probably need to look up the definition of logic... it does not mean what you think it means.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 08:42 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 08:42 PM (9XzdI)
Yes you can. Amphimixis.
It isn't arbitrary. It is clearly defined.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:43 PM (f3Iw2)
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:40 PM (5HBd1)
Not exactly. Whether the commission of and conviction for a crime makes one subject to the death penalty is a matter of law. A jury cannot apply the death penalty to, say, grand theft auto.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 08:43 PM (kpqmD)
A judge found to have sentenced an innocent to any of the various punishments - torture, amputation, execution - then in use was himself subject to the identical treatment.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2016 08:43 PM (/33sy)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 08:44 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (5HBd1)
Google Kenneth McDuff, who's the poster child for the TX death penalty. He was PAROLED after raping and killing some teens, and went on to torture and rape to death several more women.
I'm sympathetic to both sides of the issue, but then I think of McDuff...
Posted by: stace at February 11, 2016 08:44 PM (ozZau)
It isn't arbitrary. It is clearly defined.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:43 PM (f3Iw2)
__
Nope. That's when cells merge together. A human, it is not. You can say this 1000 more times if you want it won't be any more accurate.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:44 PM (0LHZx)
So you reject the scientific definition of human then?
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:45 PM (f3Iw2)
Where did she say this? Which post number?
Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 08:45 PM (zt+N6)
punished for ginning up evidence to false convict someone who ended up
on death row. I think the prosecutor got fired and disbarred but should
have been charged, IMO, with attempted murder.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 08:39 PM (NPofj)
false should read falsely
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 08:46 PM (NPofj)
Me too!!
Oh, what? You mean the death penalty? I was thinking of something entirely different. Never mind.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 11, 2016 08:46 PM (c7vUv)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 11, 2016 08:47 PM (Weyc+)
And he won't ever. He doesn't have intellectual integrity, so your reasoned arguments just bounce off.
The only thing to do with him is point, laugh, mock, and ridicule. That is Moo's language. Using logic on him is like Speaking. English. Slowly. And. Loudly. in a foreign country.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 11, 2016 08:48 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 11, 2016 08:53 PM (QdAXQ)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2016 08:38 PM (/tuJf)
I try to remember that. When I was still a liberal, conservatives reasoned with me. They didn't tell me I was stupid or evil.
But I was also open to their arguments and willing to consider that I might be wrong.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at February 11, 2016 08:55 PM (P8951)
So which arguments did you find most persuasive?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 08:21 PM (QHgTq)
The two biggest ones were:
1.
I don't trust the state to know with enough certainty that any
particular criminal is "guilty enough" to merit a penalty of death,
after all, if the state is wrong then the aggrieved party can in
principle get compensation but only if they are living
2. Many of the
arguments in favor of the death penalty seemed to revolve around the
idea of whether the criminal "deserved" to live - I just came to realize
that whether someone "deserved" to live or not was a decision that the
state ultimately had any authority to make. Sure scumbuckets do really
terrible things, and whether someone "deserved" to die is a different
question than whether someone ought to be legally executed.
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (+4mdw)"
So both arguments are doubts about the competence of governments to administer the death penalty or make moral decision as to who it should be applied to.
That seems reasonable, although I kind of think that that level of competence is a minimum requirement for a functioning state. There is also the fact that criminal gangs, which are the most serious competition for power, do enforce the death penalty so, as a practical matter, a functioning democracy ought to be able to defend itself and its citizens against those unelected and malignant organizations.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 08:58 PM (QHgTq)
conservatives reasoned with me. They didn't tell me I was stupid or
evil.
But I was also open to their arguments and willing to consider that I might be wrong.
Posted by: DonnaV (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at February 11, 2016 08:55 PM (P8951)"
That is why leftists now encourage their members not to engage in reasoned discussions any more but just to shout down opposing points of view and chant slogans. Too many people like you were open to considering reason and persuasion.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 09:02 PM (QHgTq)
I'd probably just get a nosebleed
I think you may be doing it wrong.
Posted by: TexasDan at February 11, 2016 09:04 PM (XRz61)
They say they want women's rights, yet they
seem to be OK with aborting girls.
I don't get it.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy
There's a theory out there that there's is no sisterhood. That all women see when they look at another female is someone who has screwed or is going to screw their meal ticket. Some would say that Hillary is exhibit A, and if so, who could blame her. She couldn't lose Bill to a "bimbo" until she gets the Presidency. Its a bit of a cynical outlook on the fairer sex but there you are.
It would explain your empirical evidence of feminists not giving two shits about baby girls, who in all fairness, many times grow up to be trophy wives. Call it the Bush Doctrine-- a pre-emptive strike.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 11, 2016 09:04 PM (QdAXQ)
Speaking of criminal gangs, one of the most persuasive pro-death penalty article I've read was in the frickin New Yorker. It said that gang members serving life sentences continue to kill in prison and even order hits from maximum security.
Posted by: stace at February 11, 2016 09:05 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: TexasDan at February 11, 2016 09:07 PM (XRz61)
==
Eh, no.
Posted by: stace at February 11, 2016 09:09 PM (ozZau)
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege )
Having met you in person I've found you to be a reasonable & logical person.
Other than the fact you drug me out onto the dance floor at 12:30 a.m.
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Posted by: rickl
Squeamish families might consider adoption of someone less squeamish.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 11, 2016 09:47 PM (QdAXQ)
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Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)