Joan Walsh: Supporting Bernie Sanders is... Racist?

She wonders if working class whites are voting against Hillary because of which president she served -- Well, she served as copresident with a white man, so I'm not sure who she could mean.

More of this horrific caterwauling from the Vinegary Valkaries of Vaginal Solidarity from Ed Driscoll at the Instapundit link.

Posted by: Ace at 06:10 PM




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1 first?!?!? no way

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 06:12 PM (lVU49)

2 Second??

Posted by: Ohiogal at February 11, 2016 06:12 PM (XJ3nY)

3 Yasssss

Posted by: Ohiogal at February 11, 2016 06:12 PM (XJ3nY)

4 Socialist Stupid it Berns!

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:13 PM (Bptsy)

5 Now ChemJeff, you can go and incinerate an innocent steak.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:13 PM (Bptsy)

6 Well, Shillery is married to the first black pResident, so...

Posted by: CSMBigBird at February 11, 2016 06:14 PM (xInes)

7 Well, at least this is a change of pace.

Posted by: HH at February 11, 2016 06:14 PM (DrCtv)

8 Six Degrees of Racist Separation.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 06:14 PM (oVJmc)

9 Her husband was the First Black President.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2016 06:15 PM (91LL3)

10 Forget gold. Invest in popcorn.

Posted by: Joe Mama at February 11, 2016 06:15 PM (e6z6y)

11 Die Walkures are going to sue over the comparison to the Harridan Harpies...

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:15 PM (Bptsy)

12 And the new thread shall wash clean all our sins from the old thread.

Posted by: eleven at February 11, 2016 06:16 PM (qUNWi)

13 Anna Puma, I was thinking about going to Fapplebee's actually

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 06:16 PM (lVU49)

14 Good. A new post to cover up for apparently being totally played on the Nugent thing.

Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 06:16 PM (7XeOt)

15 >>Invest in popcorn.


and Skittles!

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2016 06:16 PM (91LL3)

16 Normally I tell the lower thread that here is a nood, but I'm gonna let someone else do it.

Posted by: HH at February 11, 2016 06:16 PM (DrCtv)

17 Valkaries

I'll be the first douche-bag to point out it's spelled Valkyries.

Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2016 06:16 PM (DL2i+)

18 Don't even bother asking for an explanation. There is nothing in the leftosphere that doesn't defy logic. Supporting this candidate is racist, supporting the other is sexist, yada, yada, yada.

With so much badness in the world, it's a wonder a liberal can even walk into the voting booth without a trigger warning, because candidates' very names are microaggressions. No wonder they need ballot shenanigans to provide a precinct tally.

Seriously, it's a good thing they have so many dead people voting for them. The dead have seen it all, and are less offended.

Posted by: Qoheleth at February 11, 2016 06:16 PM (iIzG7)

19 Fapplebees? You must getting good service...

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:16 PM (Bptsy)

20 All this is about scaring SC D voters to the polls.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 06:16 PM (oVJmc)

21 Whew! Escape from the last thread.
Relief

Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 06:17 PM (2x3L+)

22 You must support the lily-white crone or you're teh rayciss.

Posted by: LIV at February 11, 2016 06:17 PM (zmW4B)

23 Oblig:

http://tinyurl.com/Ride-of-the-Vinegary-Valkyries

Posted by: Sharkman at February 11, 2016 06:17 PM (90muK)

24 Threats and intimidation are great tools for getting out the vote, right?

Posted by: Joe Mama at February 11, 2016 06:18 PM (e6z6y)

25 Joan Walsh? Still doing that TV show about jumping off roofs?

Posted by: Mallflower at February 11, 2016 06:18 PM (qSIlh)

26 They are really reaching now.

Posted by: steevy at February 11, 2016 06:18 PM (B48dK)

27

Since Bill was the first black president, does that mean she's black by insemination?

Posted by: imp at February 11, 2016 06:18 PM (XIXZz)

28 l'elle i knew that would be a bummer post.

and ace, vinegar can heal a certain vagina issues. so careful!

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:18 PM (9XzdI)

29 She's blaming the black guy for HRC's fuckups?
I thought we weren't allowed to blame him for anything, especially shit he actually did.

Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2016 06:18 PM (DL2i+)

30 Hey, South Carolina is the next primary.

"Gotta fi' up dose votas on da 'rat plantation and be showin' 'em yo ain' no way tawrd of fightin' fo' 'em." /Hillary practicing black pander voice mode.

Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at February 11, 2016 06:19 PM (g1MTt)

31 I love the smell of vinegar in the morning. Smells like victory.

Posted by: Ltc. Kilgore at February 11, 2016 06:19 PM (zmW4B)

32 I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

Anytime, really.

Posted by: Joe Mama at February 11, 2016 06:19 PM (e6z6y)

33 And did you all know there is ANOTHER dem debate tonight?

Yeah, gonna be glued to that one...

Posted by: HH at February 11, 2016 06:19 PM (DrCtv)

34 supporting Hillary is misogynist against less powerful women!

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:20 PM (9XzdI)

35 So, now you are a racist, a misogynist, and going to Hell if you don't vote for Hillary. It's nice to see the Democrat party is on an even keel.

Posted by: no good deed at February 11, 2016 06:20 PM (GgxVX)

36 Hillary? She's practically Hattie McDaniel!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 06:20 PM (oVJmc)

37 Racist and has a small staff.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at February 11, 2016 06:20 PM (xInes)

38 Finally, safe space!

Posted by: Tim in GA at February 11, 2016 06:21 PM (v/uaY)

39 Seriously, these dim bulbs bandy about the words "racist" and "sexist" and "ageist" with such reckless abandon, that I can't for the life of me figure out why they get there chones in a bunch when I say "Oh yeah? Well, you're a fcuking Marxist."

I mean, they let fly with the labels so thick and so fast you'd think they'd be inured to it, donchathink? Besides which, I'm speaking the objected truth.

I guess they can't handle the truth.

Posted by: Qoheleth at February 11, 2016 06:21 PM (iIzG7)

40 Joan Walsh has crazy eyes. Crazy cult eyes.

It would be a bit comforting to be able to convince oneself that her entire life is just one big troll. But it's not. She really is that clinically insane.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 11, 2016 06:21 PM (HMt16)

41 >>> and ace, vinegar can heal a certain vagina issues. so careful!
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:18 PM
----
Hey willow! Like what vaginal issues? Does this have to do with douche? Idk what that's even for. Does anyone do that anymore? It sounds like an old lady thing.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 06:22 PM (2x3L+)

42 Ride-of-the-Vinegary-Valkyries

Can't, still listening to Great White Buffalo.

Which includes this canard.

"But then came the white man,
With his thick and empty head.
He couldn't see past the billfold, He wanted all the buffalo dead."

About what you'd expect for motor city madmen understanding of destroying enemy guerrilla fighters food source.

Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2016 06:22 PM (DL2i+)

43 l'elle yes, yeast infections.

and hey! who are you calling Old!?

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:23 PM (9XzdI)

44 Doesn't matter what I do I'm racist I guess...If I don't vote Hillary! there's also a special place in hell for me... Can't win for losing...

Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:23 PM (/dSsq)

45 Voting against Bernie Statler is anti-Semitic.

Posted by: fluffy at February 11, 2016 06:23 PM (AfsKp)

46 Well Willow is here, new thread soon.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:23 PM (Bptsy)

47 Come on you guys, going all sour puss over coments from one woman?

Jeeze, man up. Pump some iron, bulk up and slap the bitch like a man you pussies.

Posted by: Bjorn Trumpalot at February 11, 2016 06:23 PM (8im/A)

48 Portlandia on tonight. Fred and Carrie are playing goths, hanging out at the beach w/ Glenn Danzig. I'm so stoked.

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at February 11, 2016 06:23 PM (g25eo)

49 grabs cane, hunches over, walks away snuffling into my kerchief.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:23 PM (9XzdI)

50 Still waiting for someone prominent to bring up the self-evidently racist overtones in Bill Clinton's comment to Ted Kennedy in 2008, about Barack Obama, to wit: "A few years ago this guy would be getting us coffee."

Now that memories of that have faded, it would be infinite fun to go find some 20-year-old campus SJWs, and present them with that old quote, but misattribute it to a contemporary conservative figure. Then record the subsequent thermonuclear shitstorm of indignation.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 11, 2016 06:24 PM (noWW6)

51 9 Her husband was the First Black President.
Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2016 06:15 PM (91LL3)


Which makes her the First Black First Lady. She ain't noways tarred.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 06:24 PM (sdi6R)

52 Ah a good crazy feminist logic thread.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2016 06:24 PM (iHjB5)

53 Tim, escaping the other thread was nice.

and what's better than vagina solidarity?

lol

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:24 PM (9XzdI)

54 Heh. The fact that these idiots can't figure out why people can't stand that horrible old scrunt is a testament to their mental retardation.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 11, 2016 06:24 PM (xWW96)

55 Special place in hell for women who don't support Hillary.

Girls are just supporting Bernie to get laid (let that one roll around in your head a bit).

If you don't vote for Hillary it's because you hate blacks.

Top notch campaign organization these old hags put together. Really makes the case for turning over the country to them.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2016 06:25 PM (/tuJf)

56 Oh okay, willow, I did not know that.
And, I wasn't calling you old. I meant everyone else. Not you.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 06:25 PM (2x3L+)

57 I've never understood this latest spin. "Oh, Bernie won NH because it's all white people.

Wait 'til we get to a state with negroes, negroes love me".

-- Hillary "Otter" Clinton

Posted by: Bandersnatch, let all the children boogie at February 11, 2016 06:25 PM (1xUj/)

58 oh, *Raises fist* in solidarity

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:25 PM (9XzdI)

59 I wasn't calling you old. I meant everyone else. Not you.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 06:25 PM (2x3L+)

You're right, everyone else is really old, i'm just sliding into oldisha territory.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:26 PM (9XzdI)

60 I still like how Camile Paglia characterized Gloria Steinam's comment that young ladies flock to Bernie for the boys. That Gloria vaporized every lesbian who supports Bernie into a spectre with that remark.

Go long on popcorn futures.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:26 PM (Bptsy)

61 Easy to dismiss. Joan Walsh is either a particularly dim imbecile who doesn't actually know any better, or more cynically, a vile wretch who is more than happy to lie and malign others to protect the Haggard Queen.

One is almost pitiable, the other makes her truly despicable and worthy of being a pariah.

Posted by: acethepug at February 11, 2016 06:26 PM (Z6yF/)

62 Damn the interwebs are weird. I followed a link in Hot Gas's story on Twitter's new SJW-approved censorship board to a banned Reddit site called Fat People Hate. Which led to their new home once they got banned from Reddit.

I thought that sounded disgusting, a site devoted to hating fat people. I mean WTF? I'm not fat but that just sounds uncool. But turns out those fat-shamers are also big-time SJW haters and they love letting loose with some awesome anti-SJW snark.

Now I'm conflicted. Do I like Fat People Hate or not?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 11, 2016 06:26 PM (HMt16)

63 l'elle, i'm kidding with you sweets.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:27 PM (9XzdI)

64 I get the feeling it's gonna get a hellova lot worse for The Worst Person In America before it gets better, if it ever does.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 11, 2016 06:27 PM (xWW96)

65 >>Fred and Carrie are playing goths, hanging out at the beach w/ Glenn Danzig. I'm so stoked.


Ever see that photo of Danzig buying Kitty Litter?

I want that on a T-Shirt, so bad.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2016 06:27 PM (91LL3)

66 Do yeast infections actually involve yeast growing down there?

That sounds terrible.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 06:27 PM (2x3L+)

67 Willow, are you up for a good link?

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 11, 2016 06:28 PM (xWW96)

68 54 Heh. The fact that these idiots can't figure out why people can't stand that horrible old scrunt is a testament to their mental retardation.

Exactly. went to My hairdresser today and She absolutely will not vote for Hillary or Bernie... She's a libertarian for the most part and also doesn't like Cruz, Jeb!, or Trump.... She likes rubio and Kasich.... She did say if Trump was it She will vote for Him... She's in her early 40's and has always voted Dem.... .

Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:28 PM (/dSsq)

69 65 The guy is like 5'3 isn't he?

Posted by: steevy at February 11, 2016 06:28 PM (B48dK)

70 So pinky swearsies the United States is off the racist hook forever because Barackenhaten Hussien Obama the First Black President will soon be behind us. Right?? Thats why no one is on about no Black Candidate is Coming Up Behind Him? Ben Carson counts, then, right? Then apply attendance accordingly: signs, busses, breathless throngs, free fawning media coverage, softball questions, untracked overseas funds in the millions. I mean c'mon, you're way behind, people!

I'm not even Asking For A Friend.

So, Attention Organizers:

Adjust e-mail settings accordingly to reflect the progress noted above.

Posted by: DM at February 11, 2016 06:28 PM (j/tOh)

71 *types and deletes a comment*

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:28 PM (Bptsy)

72 Do yeast infections actually involve yeast growing down there?

That sounds terrible.
Posted by: L, Elle

It tastes even worse.

Posted by: Huma at February 11, 2016 06:28 PM (zmW4B)

73 what, i just don't have any hate leftover to hate on heavier folks.

the left steals all my joy and hate chits.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:28 PM (9XzdI)

74 I thought we were going with Wil Wheaton's "Hillary Harpies" as a name for the post-menopausal protest posse.

Posted by: ZBBMcFate at February 11, 2016 06:29 PM (k7D+q)

75 The way I see it, there are three choices:

(1) Kowtow to their bullying and labels, and vote the way they want;

(2) Ignore them, knowing that whatever I do, they're going to brand me anyway, so vote the way I was going to.

(3) Go weapons-grade, and change my vote to whoever will piss them off the most.

I'm trying, I'm reeeeely trying, to stick with Option Two.

Posted by: Qoheleth at February 11, 2016 06:29 PM (iIzG7)

76 There's a "debate" tonight... That ought to be exhilarating....

Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:30 PM (/dSsq)

77 l'elle , sometimes you have to provide a hostile environment for icky things.



--maddog! noep, no way, i won't ever.ever.again.

cuz i'm skeered.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:30 PM (9XzdI)

78 The debate will only be exciting if Hillary!'s walker drops a nuke on Bernie. By accident.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:30 PM (Bptsy)

79 The stupid, it fucking burns!!

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 06:31 PM (0LHZx)

80 78 The debate will only be exciting if Hillary!'s walker drops a nuke on Bernie. By accident.

I'm sure the questions will be hard hitting...

Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:31 PM (/dSsq)

81 went to My hairdresser today and She absolutely will not vote for Hillary or Bernie... She's a libertarian for the most part and also doesn't like Cruz, Jeb!, or Trump.... She likes rubio and Kasich.... She did say if Trump was it She will vote for Him... She's in her early 40's and has always voted Dem.... .
Posted by: donna

I have a lot of union dems in my family, they can't stand Hillary and are all in on Trump. The ones who know who Bernie is think he's batshit.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at February 11, 2016 06:31 PM (zmW4B)

82 What is it that leftists have race on the brain?
Oh yeah, it keeps us divided, never mind.

Posted by: Skip at February 11, 2016 06:31 PM (BkhW6)

83 Do yeast infections actually involve yeast growing down there?

I think I'm going to go hang out in the religious war in the previous thread.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 11, 2016 06:32 PM (uURQL)

84 These people have tin ears. In a year of massive voter outrage at politicians and political correctness, they go and piss off their own voters by attacking them for racism or misogyny. That didn't work out so well for Albright or Steinem, but Walsh just has to give it a go.

Another white prog friend today was dismissive of the "angry white people" voting for Trump. She has no clue what a bigot she is.

The Dems used to be about the working class. Now they want to make a go of it on identity politics, so they deliberately deserted their base. Desertion wasn't enough, now they rub it in by insulting them.

Posted by: obladioblada at February 11, 2016 06:32 PM (WVxCU)

85 Well, Her Thighness is married to our first Black President, so I guess this makes some twisted kind of sense.

Posted by: Tim in GA at February 11, 2016 06:32 PM (v/uaY)

86 Fi to the Barrel? Or merely skates?

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:32 PM (Bptsy)

87 A libertarian does not like Kasich.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 06:32 PM (oVJmc)

88

Sorry

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 11, 2016 06:32 PM (uURQL)

89 Oh Mister Monster...

Posted by: The Barrel at February 11, 2016 06:32 PM (1xUj/)

90 Stop

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (ptqRm)

91 skip, we are useful to them as angry scared manageable groups.

they are srsly freaks to humanity and social cohesion

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (9XzdI)

92 If I vote for Trump, I'm sexist, racist and xenobphobic.

If I vote for Sanders, I hate women and blacks

If I vote for Hillary, I hate Jews and old people.

OK.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (0LHZx)

93
And did you all know there is ANOTHER dem debate tonight?

Yeah, gonna be glued to that one...

Posted by: HH at February 11, 2016 06:19 PM (DrCtv)








I TOTALLY didn't want to hear about Hillary's snail trails. You suck.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (o98Jz)

94 >>> I think I'm going to go hang out in the religious war in the previous thread.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 11, 2016 06:32
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Oh no you're not. Barrell. You get to hang out there

Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (2x3L+)

95 Something to occupy you Fi. It goes live Feb. 16th.

http://www.lodossonline.jp/

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (Bptsy)

96 A libertarian does not like Kasich.

She just thinks He's not as "religious" as some of the others... Also She's pro- abortion....

Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (/dSsq)

97 Message to Joan Walsh:

That's not who we are.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (RcpcZ)

98 Does this just apply to Bernie supporters, or is everybody who is not supporting Hillory rayciss?

Because, it's after 5PM, and I haven't been accused of being rayciss yet today. I'm starting to have withdrawal symptoms.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (TOk1P)

99 A libertarian does not like Kasich.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel

What's unlibertarian about "Jesus wants us to expand medicaid"?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (zmW4B)

100 I already knew that Joan Walsh was a lunatic and I sort of knew that Nora Ephron had a really bad divorce/break up but I didn't have any idea what a man hater she was.

Posted by: ADK46er at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (oA2jF)

101 I wanna see Hillary go over to Bernie and start beating him about the head and shoulders while screeching something unintelligible. You know, like wives do in dysfunctional marriages.

You louse, you creep, this is MY TURN. I'm the President next.

Posted by: Bjorn Trumpalot at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (8im/A)

102 You're going to the barrel and are worried about a yeast infection. Hahaha

Posted by: CSMBigBird at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (xInes)

103 As this is a thread full of silliness, have we discussed Triumph, the Insult Dog earlier?

I lose track of what we have discussed at times.

http://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=255806

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (ptqRm)

104 I should probably save this for the gardening thread this weekend, but I'm gonna grow freakin' popcorn this year just to guard against supply chain disruptions.
This kinda is just gonna get more and more epic as we proceed to November.
*Health and long life to the Horde ! Confusion to our enemies !*
*ma

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (Z8DIA)

105 A libertarian does not like Kasich.


I get the same vibe from Kasich as from Bernie.

They both seem to be mad at me and convinced that if they just harangue me more I'll see things their way.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (1xUj/)

106 She just thinks He's not as "religious" as some of the others...

He was shouting big on Jesus in the early debates.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (oVJmc)

107 101 I wanna see Hillary go over to Bernie and start beating him about the head and shoulders while screeching something unintelligible. You know, like wives do in dysfunctional marriages.

With Her walker... You know, the one with the tennis balls on the legs...

Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:35 PM (/dSsq)

108 Both Beast and Bernie are older than dirt. It would be entertaining to see a double vapor lock on the debate stage. Simultaneous heart attacks, or maybe a double stroke that leaves both fossils face down on the floor, maybe some sympathetic self immolation in the audience.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 11, 2016 06:35 PM (xWW96)

109 *Health and long life to the Horde ! Confusion to our enemies !*
*ma
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (Z8DIA)

crosses fingers.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:35 PM (9XzdI)

110 92 If I vote for Trump, I'm sexist, racist and xenobphobic.

If I vote for Sanders, I hate women and blacks

If I vote for Hillary, I hate Jews and old people.

OK.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (0LHZx)

What do I get for being a Cruz supporter?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2016 06:35 PM (iHjB5)

111
What do I get for being a Cruz supporter?



Bitter, bitter disappointment.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 06:36 PM (oVJmc)

112 *rummages on blog*

http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2008/02/clintons-1994.html

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2016 06:36 PM (Bptsy)

113 *makes "toast" gesture, drinks shot of Jagermeister*
*wanders off looking for the seed catalog order forms*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 11, 2016 06:36 PM (Z8DIA)

114 A libertarian does not like Kasich.


-------------------------
She just thinks He's not as "religious" as some of the others... Also She's pro- abortion....

Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:33 PM (/dSsq)


Most self-proclaimed libertarians have little idea what it really means.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 06:36 PM (TOk1P)

115 65

That's a classic pic. So is the one of him eating chocolate cake backstage. And of course, the video of him getting knocked out by a dude 2 feet taller than him.

eBay has a shirt with his high school senior pic on it that's just hilarious too

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at February 11, 2016 06:36 PM (g25eo)

116 2008: OMG McCain is like 70 or something, what if he has a heart attack or gets demential or something?

2016: Isn't it cool that someone who is 75 years old is running for president?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 06:37 PM (0LHZx)

117 That harpy may be right. The only way the racist white voters can redeem themselves and make amends is to vote for the Cuban. Not the good looking one either - that's too easy.

Posted by: Global Warming caused Hillary to lie at February 11, 2016 06:37 PM (FFIoe)

118 >>> Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (ptqRm)
-----
Yes, BenK posted it and then Ace did I-Don't-Read-My-Own-Blog post on it a second time. Very funny.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 06:37 PM (2x3L+)

119 111
What do I get for being a Cruz supporter?



Bitter, bitter disappointment.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 06:36 PM (oVJmc)

Heh. I'll take it, I mean look at all the others.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2016 06:37 PM (iHjB5)

120 What do I get for being a Cruz supporter?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2016 06:35 PM (iHjB5)

***

Reich Wing Bible Thumper, for starters. Then they will get really insulting.

Posted by: Tim in GA at February 11, 2016 06:37 PM (v/uaY)

121 As this is a thread full of silliness, have we discussed Triumph, the Insult Dog earlier?

I lose track of what we have discussed at times.

http://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=255806

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 11, 2016 06:34 PM (ptqRm)


Yes. And the mob decided he was a racist and should be shunned.

Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 06:37 PM (7XeOt)

122 What do I get for being a Cruz supporter?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2016 06:35 PM (iHjB5)

___

You hate women, men, children, old, young, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, gays.

But you love Canada and Goldman Sachs.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 06:38 PM (0LHZx)

123 Most self-proclaimed libertarians have little idea what it really means.


Yup....In ways I have Libertarian tendencies.... I think it's okay for Marijuana to be legal, I think Hookers should be able to "hook" and I want smaller Government... The one big disagreement I have with them is abortion... I just can't back that one...

Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:39 PM (/dSsq)

124 OT:


Here's a fun new campaign ad for Ted Cruz:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLuk691tbo&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: naturalfake at February 11, 2016 06:39 PM (0cMkb)

125 Ace -

You did good work, today.

You should take a half day, tomorrow.

Clear your head and get a jump on the weekend.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2016 06:39 PM (91LL3)

126 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluconazole

Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2016 06:40 PM (DL2i+)

127 Ace -



You did good work, today.



You should take a half day, tomorrow.



Clear your head and get a jump on the weekend.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2016 06:39 PM (91LL3)


But take a shower.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 06:40 PM (TOk1P)

128
Let's just cut to the chase....

Horde Hates Everyone

That's oddly freeing. Like that oh-so-fresh feeling after a good post-hobohunt shower.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 11, 2016 06:41 PM (o98Jz)

129 Since I don't know who Joan Walsh is, I guess I'm not one of the cool guys.

Posted by: tu3031 at February 11, 2016 06:41 PM (YFFpo)

130 Thanks, willow, I took that as an expression of confidence and support.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 11, 2016 06:42 PM (Z8DIA)

131 probably more accurately it balances out your ph so it helps to keep a healthy vagina flourishing.

oh nevermind.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:42 PM (9XzdI)

132 I don't know who Joan Walsh is either, and I'm PLENTY cool with that.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 11, 2016 06:43 PM (xWW96)

133 Joan Walsh did that TV series, America's most wanted, right?

Posted by: Bjorn Trumpalot at February 11, 2016 06:43 PM (8im/A)

134
Easy to dismiss. Joan Walsh is either a particularly dim imbecile who
doesn't actually know any better, or more cynically, a vile wretch who
is more than happy to lie and malign others to protect the Haggard
Queen.

One is almost pitiable, the other makes her truly despicable and worthy of being a pariah.


Posted by: acethepug
WHY CAN'T SHE BE ....BOTH??
A dim imbecile AND a cynical vile wretch?I vote for both.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...now older and senile at February 11, 2016 06:43 PM (RFeQD)

135 sock, and it was so.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:43 PM (9XzdI)

136 Since I don't know who Joan Walsh is, I guess I'm not one of the cool guys.


Was in the James Gang, joined the Eagles after they were established, but has maintained a solo career.

Rocky Mountain Way, The Smoker You Drink the Player You Get, etc.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 11, 2016 06:44 PM (1xUj/)

137 Here's a fun new campaign ad for Ted Cruz:

Facilitators with clipboards and cross-talk are group psych not *A

Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2016 06:44 PM (DL2i+)

138 So, here's how this line of thought goes. Democrats picked a black guy over her in '08. The democrats reupped the black guy in '12. And now they won't vote for her because she worked for the black guy that they elected twice. That's racism.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 11, 2016 06:44 PM (+lVUW)

139 I wonder if people are voting against Cruz because he's a Cuban?


See how f'ing stupid that sounds? Just as bad as the Hillary vote statement.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 11, 2016 06:44 PM (hVdx9)

140 Joan Walsh. Wasn't she married to John Walsh? I mean, what else has Joan Walsh done? I think she works in a salon, but other than that, I'm not certain....

Posted by: the Butcher at February 11, 2016 06:44 PM (AGJqR)

141 I don't know who Joan Walsh is either, and I'm PLENTY cool with that.


You don't remember Rocky Mountain Way? He was awesome.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (8ZskC)

142 Since I don't know who Joan Walsh is, I guess I'm not one of the cool guys.)))

She did that Americas Most Wanted show I think.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (Nkdwp)

143

Joan Walsh...sounds ....Irish


I want to apologize to all the Irish that may have been insulted by me in the Nugent thread. I was trying to make a point. I love you Irish folks, my maid of honor was Irish, I entered the Air Force on St Patricks Day (i was not drunk!). Nothing but Irish love here

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (zOTsN)

144 Willow, I am fascinated with the science of Vaginology, please elaborate. Any charts?

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (xWW96)

145 Trustworthiness. Just sayin'.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (+lVUW)

146 I wonder if people are voting against Cruz because he's a Cuban?

I thought He was a Canadian...

Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (/dSsq)

147
Since I don't know who Joan Walsh is, I guess I'm not one of the cool guys.

Posted by: tu3031 at February 11, 2016 06:41 PM (YFFpo)









Amanda Marcotte with better diction, less tattoos and more wrinkles.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (o98Jz)

148 What do I get for being a Cruz supporter?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2016 06:35 PM (iHjB5)



***



Reich Wing Bible Thumper, for starters. Then they will get really insulting.

Posted by: Tim in GA at February 11, 2016 06:37 PM (v/uaY)


Nevergiveup is pretty insistent since this morning that is means you are anti-Semitic through the transitive property of equality.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (NPofj)

149 Bandersnatch, GET YOUR HANDS OFF MY MEME, YOU DAMN DIRTY APE!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:46 PM (8ZskC)

150 Yeah, we laugh at this childish rage, this circular firing squad (where have I heard this before ?), but come September of 2016, the Media rage and hate will be focused like a laser on whomever the Republican nominee is.

BRING. IT. ON.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...now older and senile at February 11, 2016 06:46 PM (RFeQD)

151 raises eyebrow at Bandersnatch.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:46 PM (9XzdI)

152 >>Democrats picked a black guy over her in '08. The democrats reupped the black guy in '12. And now they won't vote for her because she worked for the black guy that they elected twice. That's racism.


She's also clean, articulate, and doesn't have a hint of a negro accent.

Posted by: Harry Reid (D) at February 11, 2016 06:46 PM (91LL3)

153 Jeesuz, give somebody a Twitter account and you think they're like Winston Fuckin Churchill.

Posted by: tu3031 at February 11, 2016 06:46 PM (YFFpo)

154 maddog, lol, i actually do have many body and vagina charts rolled up in storage, (old job)

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:47 PM (9XzdI)

155 123
Yup....In ways I have Libertarian tendencies.... I think it's okay for Marijuana to be legal, I think Hookers should be able to "hook" and I want smaller Government... The one big disagreement I have with them is abortion... I just can't back that one...
Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:39 PM (/dSsq)


I've known libertarians on both sides of the abortion issue. The pro-life ones point to that phrase in the Declaration of Independence and say that you can't have Liberty and the Purfuit of Happinefs without Life.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 06:47 PM (sdi6R)

156 Yup....In ways I have Libertarian tendencies.... I
think it's okay for Marijuana to be legal, I think Hookers should be
able to "hook" and I want smaller Government... The one big disagreement
I have with them is abortion... I just can't back that one...

Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:39 PM (/dSsq)


It would be interesting to find out if the baby killing industry could survive without government funding. I'm not sure it could. There are probably not enough rich, white girls having abortions, and all the poor black girls doing so are more or less the point.


If they had to pay for their own, out of their own pockets, there would probably be quite a few less of them. And obviously, if those same poor women who are getting pregnant now could NOT count on the government to support them, many more of them would keep their legs closed in the first place.

I think the libertarian solution to the abortion question would be much more effective than the big government/social "conservative" one that has been the Republican Party platform for decades.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 06:47 PM (TOk1P)

157 I'm just calling it like I see it. I mean, when you're kissing Jew ass, it's racist.

Posted by: Joan Walsh at February 11, 2016 06:48 PM (4ErVI)

158 maddog, lol, i actually do have many body and vagina charts rolled up in storage, (old job)


I'll bet the vagina charts came in handy before they invented the sextant.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:48 PM (8ZskC)

159 i'm just sliding into oldisha territory.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:26 PM (9XzdI)


Be careful about sliding anywhere: You might break a hip.

Posted by: RickZ at February 11, 2016 06:48 PM (Ix+HS)

160 Amanda Marcotte with better diction, less tattoos and more wrinkles.

Oh, good because I don't know her either.

Posted by: tu3031 at February 11, 2016 06:48 PM (YFFpo)

161 Vinegary Valkaries of Vaginal Solidarity Verisimilitude.


And if I know teh Horde, this'll be the tenth or so time somebody's posted it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (LUgeY)

162 You might break a hip.
Posted by: RickZ at February 11, 2016 06:48 PM (Ix+HS)

haha ,
smack!

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (9XzdI)

163 I want to apologize to all the Irish [...]

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (zOTsN)



Too late. We have already summoned the torch and pitchfork mob.

Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (7XeOt)

164 I once saw a member of the KKK in the Deep South beat a black man to death with a Menorah.

Posted by: Joan Walsh at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (4ErVI)

165 2008: OMG McCain is like 70 or something, what if he has a heart attack or gets demential or something?

Given McCain's history of erratic behaviour, that he'd "go turbo" in office was a legitimate risk.

Sanders gives me more the vibe of being a Meroving monarch. They'll plant his drooling form upon the throne and the masters of the palace will run the country "for" him.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (6FqZa)

166 24 Threats and intimidation are great tools for getting out the vote, right?
Posted by: Joe Mama at February 11, 2016 06:18 PM (e6z6y)

Yeah, don't forget insulting all those young women who only want to meet boys.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (+lVUW)

167 So did we ever resolve whether Ted Nugent was a bona fide Jooo-hater?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (8ZskC)

168 It might not be that she's alluding to racism. She might just be saying "well Obama's not the most popular guy around at this point, maybe that's hurting her." Although I don't think Joan Walsh is deep enough to think like that, so it probably is a racism crack.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (39g3+)

169 Google says that Amanda Marcotte has a blog. Is that true? Can google be trusted?

Posted by: Bjorn Trumpalot at February 11, 2016 06:50 PM (8im/A)

170
I am a dominant.

I will not comment until you plead for me to do so.

Posted by: Mr Grey at February 11, 2016 06:50 PM (0cMkb)

171 I want to apologize to all the Irish that may have been insulted by me in the Nugent thread. I was trying to make a point. I love you Irish folks, my maid of honor was Irish, I entered the Air Force on St Patricks Day (i was not drunk!). Nothing but Irish love here

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (zOTsN)


Anti-Irishite.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 11, 2016 06:50 PM (uURQL)

172 She's also clean, articulate, and doesn't have a hint of a negro accent.
Posted by: Harry Reid (D) at February 11, 2016 06:46 PM (91LL3)


__

And those fucking creases in the pants. My god!!

Posted by: "Conservative" NYT Writer at February 11, 2016 06:50 PM (0LHZx)

173 Is really not sexist, but Bern is a Jew.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at February 11, 2016 06:50 PM (xInes)

174 I'll bet the vagina charts came in handy before they invented the sextant.)))

Only here can you get something so fing funny and obscure as this.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 11, 2016 06:51 PM (Nkdwp)

175 So did we ever resolve whether Ted Nugent was a bona fide Jooo-hater?

Well, who runs Hollywood? (Mel Gibson)

Who runs the record industry (Ted Nugent)

Who runs Barter Town?

Posted by: Bjorn Trumpalot at February 11, 2016 06:51 PM (8im/A)

176 I think the only one I remember is the idiot lezbo that looks like Ralphie Maddow's little brother. The name escapes me, but she'll twit something stupid soon and I'll remember right away.

Posted by: tu3031 at February 11, 2016 06:51 PM (YFFpo)

177 That not really Joe Walsh, is it? How well does he know that big Jenner chick?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 11, 2016 06:52 PM (LUgeY)

178 OMG

the guy PC Police in the Nugent thread? he was complaining about US tax dollars going to Israel. Said he was in the Navy


but then he admits he is CANADIAN. i think he is a member of the religion of peace

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 06:52 PM (zOTsN)

179 165 2008: OMG McCain is like 70 or something, what if he has a heart attack or gets demential or something?

Given McCain's history of erratic behaviour, that he'd "go turbo" in office was a legitimate risk.

Sanders gives me more the vibe of being a Meroving monarch. They'll plant his drooling form upon the throne and the masters of the palace will run the country "for" him.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (6FqZa)

__

Yeah but the leftist loons saying McCain was too old had no idea who McCain was. He was just sold old white guy. But if it's THEIR old white guy...he's totes cool man.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 06:52 PM (0LHZx)

180 >>I'll bet the vagina charts came in handy before they invented the sextant


You haven't lived until you have seen a protracted vulva.

Posted by: Shit Euclid Said at February 11, 2016 06:52 PM (91LL3)

181 cicero, i think it's pretty clear, i won't invitehim or break bread with him.
I am much more afraid of the left and their demonstrations and open hostility.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:52 PM (9XzdI)

182 Hillary's loyalists have put up with her bitchy narcissism for years on the promise that she would one day win the Iron Throne and they would get their just reward in power and coin.

It's got to be sinking in that this may not happen, and there won't be another shot in 2020.

When this crystalizes into harsh certainty, look out. I could see a put-upon staffer strangling Hillary with a phone cord, or throwing her out a window. Huma and Cheryl too. Chelsea will get her own special ending.

Schadenfreude!

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2016 06:52 PM (r1fLd)

183 Who runs Barter Town?


Um, Crazy Gideon?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:53 PM (8ZskC)

184 I've known libertarians on both sides of the abortion issue. The pro-life ones point to that phrase in the Declaration of Independence and say that you can't have Liberty and the Purfuit of Happinefs without Life.

Same with atheists (there is a lot of crossover between the atheists and libertarians). Pro-life atheists will call themselves humanists and will say you can't have humanism without humans. [They might be near-autistic nerds, but such do enjoy extrapolating a code from first-principles.]

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 06:53 PM (6FqZa)

185 How many white yarmulkes have you seen?

A lot.

You can't unsee this stuff.

Posted by: Joan Walsh at February 11, 2016 06:53 PM (4ErVI)

186 So did we ever resolve whether Ted Nugent was a bona fide Jooo-hater?

We determined there was no direct evidence, but we burnt him at the stake anyway, just to be sure.

Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 06:53 PM (7XeOt)

187 or a prolapsed uterus

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:53 PM (9XzdI)

188 Ok, now the Nugent thread has just gone weird.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2016 06:53 PM (iHjB5)

189 So did we ever resolve whether Ted Nugent was a bona fide Jooo-hater?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (8ZskC)


I think opinion was split between that and him just being a not-to-bright musician who people should not look to as a thought leader.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 06:53 PM (NPofj)

190 Yup so all of the "war on women" crap from the past four years has all been about prepping the battlespace for Hillary the Inevitable - create the impression that America is such a sexist hellhole that only Her Thighness can possibly set America on the proper path of feminism

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 06:54 PM (+4mdw)

191 I think opinion was split between that and him just being a not-to-bright musician who people should not look to as a thought leader.

I'd say He's right if He's referring to most of the Jews here.... Just look at their voting records...

Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:54 PM (/dSsq)

192 Anyone who can sing "Wango Tango" can't be all bad.

Posted by: Bjorn Trumpalot at February 11, 2016 06:55 PM (8im/A)

193 Yeah old and white, old and white, that's all we heard for 12 straight years about Republicans. omigawd, so ollld! the whitest evaaahh!!!!

Now suddenly not a peep about it. When I brought that up I got disgruntled "that's such a stupid thing to bring up" posts on Facebook from lefties. Yeah, it is.

Eat it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 06:55 PM (39g3+)

194
I want you morons to feel comfortable in your pantlessness.


I shall stroke your bare legs with a peacock feather.


Strangely enough, my cock is the exact length and girth of a Le Sueur Green Pea.


Posted by: Mr Grey at February 11, 2016 06:55 PM (0cMkb)

195 189 So did we ever resolve whether Ted Nugent was a bona fide Jooo-hater?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (8ZskC)


I think opinion was split between that and him just being a not-to-bright musician who people should not look to as a thought leader.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 06:53 PM (NPofj)

That is about the long and short of it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2016 06:55 PM (iHjB5)

196 maybe i will go back and hit the shades of gray thread again.

you guys were spectacularly funny, and made me have a happy morning reading your comments and the absurdity of it.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:55 PM (9XzdI)

197 True Libertarians View:

I want the right to do things. I also want the right for you to do things I don't like.

Faux Libertarian View: I want the right to do things. But if I don't like it, then you can't do it (see abortion, smoking, SSM, prostitution, salt intake).

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 06:55 PM (0LHZx)

198 As with everything with these people, I just have to look and say "of course"

Posted by: blaster at February 11, 2016 06:55 PM (2Ocf1)

199 create the impression that America is such a sexist hellhole that only Her Thighness can possibly set America on the proper path of feminism


A proper path like Obama did for race relations then?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:56 PM (8ZskC)

200 So did we ever resolve whether Ted Nugent was a bona fide Jooo-hater?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (8ZskC)


I have.


I can't understand why anyone would have any doubts.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 06:56 PM (TOk1P)

201 Just don't store your vagina charts with your peninsula plat maps.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 11, 2016 06:56 PM (Nkdwp)

202 We determined there was no direct evidence, but we burnt him at the stake anyway, just to be sure.


Did you weigh him first?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 11, 2016 06:56 PM (LUgeY)

203 143

Joan Walsh...sounds ....Irish


I want to apologize to all the Irish that may have been insulted by me in the Nugent thread. I was trying to make a point. I love you Irish folks, my maid of honor was Irish, I entered the Air Force on St Patricks Day (i was not drunk!). Nothing but Irish love here

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (zOTsN)



I don't know if I believe you. Here, eat this potato.

Posted by: Dinosaur Porn writer at February 11, 2016 06:57 PM (zt+N6)

204 oh geez so two of my students are here at Fapplebee's and they just bought me a beer

and no they aren't women

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 06:57 PM (+4mdw)

205 /off last night's sock.

Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 06:57 PM (zt+N6)

206 Yup so all of the "war on women" crap from the past four years has all been about prepping the battlespace for Hillary the Inevitable

Doesn't seem like it was terribly effective. Yeah in 2012 it brought a surge of estrogen-charged retarded voting, but since then its gotten kind of stale and weak. Hillary is about the worst possible choice for grrl power anyway, having only gotten any of her jobs because of men and sucking at them all.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 06:57 PM (39g3+)

207 You know who has two thumbs and never listened to any of Nugent's music? THIS guy *points to himself twice*

But I can say I've listened to Morrissey's music, and Johnny Marr's. Both of them have spouted some godawful stupid crap to the media as political-opinions. (Which is why they're not in any of Her Majesty's ministries.)

Basically if you take your political cues from teh Nuge, you're stupid, like some late-teenaged bi-curious boi from Leeds who goes vegetarian because meat is murder

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 06:57 PM (6FqZa)

208 oh geez so two of my students are here at Fapplebee's and they just bought me a beer

and no they aren't women



Sucks to be you, man.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:58 PM (8ZskC)

209 Did you weigh him first?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 11, 2016 06:56 PM (LUgeY)


We didn't have any scales large enough, but he floated when we threw him in the water.

Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 06:58 PM (7XeOt)

210 i do so have an irish friend!

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:58 PM (9XzdI)

211 " But if I don't like it, then you can't do it (see abortion, smoking, SSM, prostitution, salt intake)."

Oh, ffs. Yes, Moo. Saying not to kill your own child is *exactly* like trying to ban salt.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 06:58 PM (f3Iw2)

212 Basically if you take your political cues from teh Nuge, you're stupid, like some late-teenaged bi-curious boi from Leeds who goes vegetarian because meat is murder



Kind of like taking them from any of the Hollyweird "geniuses"

Posted by: donna at February 11, 2016 06:59 PM (/dSsq)

213 and no they aren't women
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 06:57 PM (+4mdw)

are they old enough to buy beer?

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:59 PM (9XzdI)

214 Doesn't seem like it was terribly effective. Yeah in 2012 it brought a surge of estrogen-charged retarded voting, but since then its gotten kind of stale and weak. Hillary is about the worst possible choice for grrl power anyway, having only gotten any of her jobs because of men and sucking at them all.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 06:57 PM (39g3+)

____

Plus it's idiotic to say women can't make it in a sexist America and then say "hey look at all the amazing things I''ve done that make me qualified to be president". Well it's idiotic to people with IQs above 75. To Democrats, it's effective.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 06:59 PM (0LHZx)

215
I will eat the potato, you can hit me with a shallaleigh and I will give you me lucky charms. And then we will have a greeen beer

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 06:59 PM (zOTsN)

216 I can't understand why anyone would have any doubts.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 06:56 PM (TOk1P)


Basically because he didn't say or write anything to lead to that conclusion. He just stupidly copied a really offensive picture.

Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 07:00 PM (7XeOt)

217 after you hit me with the shallaleigh you have to buy me an elegant meal and a car

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:00 PM (zOTsN)

218 215
I will eat the potato, you can hit me with a shallaleigh and I will give you me lucky charms. And then we will have a greeen beer


Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 06:59 PM (zOTsN)



Are you willing to kiss a stone?

Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (zt+N6)

219 Oh, ffs. Yes, Moo. Saying not to kill your own child is *exactly* like trying to ban salt.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 06:58 PM (f3Iw2)

______

It kind of is. If you want liberty, you want liberty for things you don't particularly like. It can't just be liberty with an asterisks next to it.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (0LHZx)

220 Lauren, so many just really want to deny it's a child.

we should lay a liveborn premie in front of them and ask them to abort it.

because honestly i'm sick of the total b.s of their obscure referencing to cells and blobs of parasitical tissue.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (9XzdI)

221 I can't understand why anyone would have any doubts.



Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 06:56 PM (TOk1P)



Basically because he didn't say or write anything to lead to that
conclusion. He just stupidly copied a really offensive picture.

Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 07:00 PM (7XeOt)


Right.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (TOk1P)

222 are they old enough to buy beer?

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 06:59 PM (9XzdI)

yeah, they are in my advanced class
and, they have a big problem set due tomorrow, they should be at home working on it - oh well

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (+4mdw)

223 Oh, ffs. Yes, Moo. Saying not to kill your own child is *exactly* like trying to ban salt.





Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 06:58 PM (f3Iw2)

I checked.... the punishment for the pimply teenager who over-salted your fries last Tuesday is THE EXACT SAME punishment as for first degree murder.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (NPofj)

224 199 create the impression that America is such a sexist hellhole that only Her Thighness can possibly set America on the proper path of feminism


A proper path like Obama did for race relations then?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2016 06:56 PM (8ZskC)


Now you've got it!

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (sdi6R)

225 moo, the liberty of the parasite?

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (9XzdI)

226 I will kiss the stone, dance a jig on my toes and join Riverdance

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (zOTsN)

227
In Autumn 2015 Joan Walsh left Salon to become National Affairs Correspondent for The Nation.



How big of a joke is Salon? So big that leaving the site for the ancient wheezing Wobbly newsprint rag The Nation is considered a step up the career ladder.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (kdS6q)

228 So did we ever resolve whether Ted Nugent was a bona fide Jooo-hater?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)


We resolved that he copied a picture from a nazi website and published it on his FB, possibly thinking these particular Jews were fools for forgetting the history of their people. He then proceeded to defend both his poor choice of pictures and his philosemetic bona fides in a painfully mangled way, ultimately doing himself and the English language more harm than good.

Posted by: imp at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (XIXZz)

229 Oh, ffs. Yes, Moo. Saying not to kill your own child is *exactly* like trying to ban salt.

Your own child is just your property.

It's when you kill someone else's child that you've gone a bridge too far against the One Libertarian Principle - Property is Sacred.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (uURQL)

230 226 I will kiss the stone, dance a jig on my toes and join Riverdance

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (zOTsN)



Well now you're just overcompensating.

Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (zt+N6)

231 chem good luck to them!
and enjoy the free beer, and that they thought of you .

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:03 PM (9XzdI)

232 MisHum, if you're here. You have mail. Please read the one with the subject line of "Crap" first.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:03 PM (2x3L+)

233 Every thing you do is racist. May as well run with it.

Posted by: Jewells45 at February 11, 2016 07:03 PM (CNHr1)

234 "Vaginal Solidarity." I like it. You should trademark it.

Posted by: jumpininhere at February 11, 2016 07:03 PM (gEPdP)

235 221 I can't understand why anyone would have any doubts.



Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 06:56 PM (TOk1P)



Basically because he didn't say or write anything to lead to that
conclusion. He just stupidly copied a really offensive picture.

Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 07:00 PM (7XeOt)


Right.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (TOk1P)

____

AAAAAAND....

When called on that stupid picture he doubled down and defended it. It's kind of like the crime wasn't the problem, it was the coverup.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:03 PM (0LHZx)

236 I will collect shamrocks, look for keebler elves in cork trees and dress like Maureen O'Hara in Brigadoon

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:03 PM (zOTsN)

237 I will kiss the stone, dance a jig on my toes and join Riverdance

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (zOTsN)


Don't forget all the glorious beer and Irish whiskey to wash down the food that has all been boiled for 37 hours.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:03 PM (NPofj)

238 He then proceeded to defend both his poor choice of pictures and his philosemetic bona fides in a painfully mangled way, ultimately doing himself and the English language more harm than good.

Posted by: imp at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (XIXZz)


I can't find where he did that. You have the text?

Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 07:03 PM (7XeOt)

239 although I think Brigadoon is supposed to be in Scotland. oops

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:04 PM (zOTsN)

240 True Libertarians View:



I want the right to do things. I also want the right for you to do things I don't like.


No, that is too egoistic.

Rights are not rationalized by the self. They exist for every individual.

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:04 PM (+4mdw)

241

Are you willing to kiss a stone?

Posted by: buzzion


Or alternatively rub the cartilage off your nasal cavity on said stone.

Posted by: imp at February 11, 2016 07:04 PM (XIXZz)

242
Lauren, so many just really want to deny it's a child.



we should lay a liveborn premie in front of them and ask them to abort it.



because honestly i'm sick of the total b.s of their obscure referencing to cells and blobs of parasitical tissue.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (9XzdI)


I'd rather hold a scalpel to their throats, and then have a discussion about which trimester becomes acceptable to them. Because to me, I can't understand how to make the line make sense. First, second, third, or 900th trimester. What difference does it make? And if you love you some abortions, obviously it's not YOUR choice whether you get aborted or not.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 07:04 PM (TOk1P)

243 "It kind of is. If you want liberty, you want liberty for things you don't particularly like."

No it is not. Not remotely. Unless you are a complete anarchist who rejects all laws against murder, you accept that society has a role in keeping us from killing one another.

So unless laws against 1st degree murder are "kind of like" laws against salt, stfu.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:04 PM (f3Iw2)

244 Are you willing to kiss a stone?

Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (zt+N6)


Kidney or rolling?

Posted by: RickZ at February 11, 2016 07:04 PM (Ix+HS)

245 "Vaginal Idiots." Same thing as useful idiots but more exclusionary. I like that too.

Posted by: jumpininhere at February 11, 2016 07:05 PM (gEPdP)

246 I wanna see Hillary go over to Bernie and start beating him about the head and shoulders while screeching something unintelligible. You know, like wives do in dysfunctional marriages.

If he hauled off and decked her for it, I'd register Democrat and vote for the geezer. But he'd just cringe and apologize for his gender or something.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 07:05 PM (39g3+)

247 When called on that stupid picture he doubled down and defended it. It's kind of like the crime wasn't the problem, it was the coverup.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:03 PM (0LHZx)


I can't find where he did that. You have the text?

Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 07:05 PM (7XeOt)

248 Are you willing to kiss a stone?
--
is it a diamond?

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:05 PM (9XzdI)

249 "
we should lay a liveborn premie in front of them and ask them to abort it.
"

Oh they will say yes. They told me I should kill my already born child because "he will never be anything but a drain on the system."

Because they are mother fucking nazis.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:05 PM (f3Iw2)

250
but one last thing

Bill Clinton


IRISH

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:05 PM (zOTsN)

251 So unless laws against 1st degree murder are "kind of like" laws against salt, stfu.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:04 PM (f3Iw2)

_____

Aborting a fetus usn't 1st degree murder. I know you desperately want it to be, but it's not.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:06 PM (0LHZx)

252 No it is not. Not remotely. Unless you are a
complete anarchist who rejects all laws against murder, you accept that
society has a role in keeping us from killing one another.



So unless laws against 1st degree murder are "kind of like" laws against salt, stfu.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:04 PM (f3Iw2)

I have been reading Reason lately, and it sure does seem that they have veered pretty far into anarchism-land over there - well the commenters anyway. The staff appears to be prog-lite

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:06 PM (+4mdw)

253 Following on from the last thread, Catholics in the US vote exactly in the center. As the oldest sub-species of Catholics in the US, I'd bet the Irish vote close to exactly in the center. Many Irish Catholics have a reluctance to identify as Republicans because for too long the party leadership has been dominated by a bunch of country club c*nts. The Scots-Irish think the same way, and for even longer.

Ronaldus Maximus' father was an Irish Catholic from Tipperary, you'll recall, wasn't a Republican at first and was always somewhat of an outsider in the GOP.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2016 07:06 PM (r1fLd)

254 You know these modern bolshaviks seem confused, are they fighting class, sex, or race warfare?

Posted by: Skip at February 11, 2016 07:06 PM (BkhW6)

255 we should lay a liveborn premie in front of them and ask them to abort it.





because honestly i'm sick of the total b.s of their obscure referencing to cells and blobs of parasitical tissue.



Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:01 PM (9XzdI)


They would in a heart beat and without blinking...

Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:07 PM (NPofj)

256 228
He then proceeded to defend both his poor choice of pictures and his philosemetic bona fides in a painfully mangled way, ultimately doing himself and the English language more harm than good.
Posted by: imp at February 11, 2016 07:02 PM (XIXZz)


In many ways, this is the story of Trump.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 07:07 PM (sdi6R)

257 Joan is aged. She has Old Timers Disease

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:07 PM (zOTsN)

258 Moo Moo you don't have rights because you *want* them, you have rights by virtue of your existence whether you want them or not. Your desire for rights has nothing to do with it. And if that is true for you, it is true for every human being.

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:07 PM (+4mdw)

259 "Aborting a fetus usn't 1st degree murder. I know you desperately want it to be, but it's not."

Yes or no. Do you believe that the government has a legitimate role in legislating homicide?

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:07 PM (f3Iw2)

260 Because I'm a giver and feel sorry for those without Facebook accounts, here you go. This is from some guy named Mark Russell:

Okay, here's the thing with the Democratic primary: everyone imagines they are supporting the one candidate who can save us from the abyss and feel aggrieved and belittled by the other side. I am personally a Bernie Sanders supporter, but the truth is that this is not a battle between good and evil so much as an awkward contest between two animals who evolved in entirely different ecosystems.
Hillary Clinton is like a grizzled hunter in the Amazon. Every day is a battle for survival. She has suffered every venom and poison imaginable and from her time as being the wife of a Democratic governor in a red state to being Secretary of State to the most besieged administration in modern history, she has lived her entire life in a rainforest filled with things determined to kill her. Her political survival instincts have adapted accordingly.
Bernie Sanders is like a wallaby. He hails from the benign ecosystem known as Vermont, where he lacks any natural predators. He will be the beloved senator from Vermont for as long as he cares to be. So he hops around wherever he wants, unafraid that anyone might use his words to crucify him. Propose a $15 minimum wage? Just have a friendly chat with anyone who disagrees. Call yourself a "socialist?" Sure, why not? We're all friends here. On the other side of the world, though, if Hillary Clinton channels her inner Eleanor Roosevelt, the Republicans call it a seance. Write a few State Department e-mails from your personal server? Suddenly there's a major Congressional investigation, even though nobody cared when previous Secretaries of State did exactly the same thing.
Bernie's instincts have evolved so he feels no danger in exposing his head to say what he thinks, however far afield it may be from current political reality. Hillary's instincts, on the other hand, have adapted in a harsher environment, where extreme cautiousness and distrust are rewarded.
Likewise, the two candidates' strengths and weaknesses are a direct consequence of their respective environments. Three decades of jungle warfare against Republicans has left Hillary battle-tested and well-versed in the dark arts of political campaigning. She will, I have no doubt, annihilate whoever emerges from the Republican Convention and be drinking out of their skull by November. But at the same time, this experience has made her reticent to take strong positions, to say things that could be later used against her. She tends to "evolve" rather than stand on principle. Bernie has no such qualms, and has from the very beginning taken principled stands on the Iraq War, universal health insurance, gay marriage, etc. which while controversial at the time, have since been borne out by history. He is the forward-thinking visionary that Hillary is not, but he also seems naively unprepared for the shitwave of dirty tricks and false accusations that will come his way if and when he has to run a national campaign against a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz.
I'm not telling you who to vote for in the Democratic primary. Thanks to decades of self-selecting news coverage, extreme right wing radio, and the derangement induced by the reality that the white male vote is no longer enough to carry national elections, the GOP field has been reduced to an incoherent fever dream of xenophobia and obsolescence. Either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders would be infinitely preferable to anyone in that mental ward. This primary is not a choice between good and evil, as some Democrats have made it out to be, but rather the choice between different types of leaders, the visionary vs the tactician, whose approach to politics has largely been forged by differences in environment rather than character.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 07:07 PM (5HBd1)

261 Oh they will say yes. They told me I should kill my already born child because "he will never be anything but a drain on the system."

Because they are mother fucking nazis.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:05 PM (f3Iw2)

i'm very sorry *hugs Lauren*

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:07 PM (9XzdI)

262
They say they want women's rights, yet they
seem to be OK with aborting girls.

I don't get it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 11, 2016 07:07 PM (LUgeY)

263 And bless their hearts, Dems actually think they get to be involved with choosing a candidate.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 07:08 PM (5HBd1)

264 When was Joan Walsh ever good?
I mean, she's been around the DC media set I assume she did something of value early in her career to make her opinions valued on all these talking head shows.
Or maybe she's just always been useful spouting the latest talking points w/great passion?

So tired of these well-connected people and their stupid opinions acting like we should care...

Posted by: Lizzy at February 11, 2016 07:08 PM (NOIQH)

265 Reason's comments has always been full of weirdos.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:08 PM (6FqZa)

266 rights come from God, not government and not other people. Its in the founding documents

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:08 PM (zOTsN)

267 >>having only gotten any of her jobs because of men and sucking

LIAR!!

Posted by: Hillary at February 11, 2016 07:09 PM (c7vUv)

268 "Vaginal Voters." That's good too.

Posted by: jumpininhere at February 11, 2016 07:09 PM (gEPdP)

269 Joan Walsh? Is she the Walsh's Grape Juice heiress?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 11, 2016 07:09 PM (NeFrd)

270 Oh they will say yes. They told me I should kill my already born child because "he will never be anything but a drain on the system."

Because they are mother fucking nazis.
Posted by: Lauren


{{{Lauren}}}}


then they are dead inside and thats why God gave him to you

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:09 PM (zOTsN)

271 The "Vaginal Mind." One you need a spectrum to relate to.

Posted by: jumpininhere at February 11, 2016 07:10 PM (gEPdP)

272 So far we've been told that failing to vote for Hillary makes us a racist and hellbound, what's next? Is this supposed to win people over, or something?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 07:10 PM (39g3+)

273 Oh, now I remember Joan Walsh. She's the white chick who said we're all from Africa, no?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 11, 2016 07:10 PM (NeFrd)

274 >>They say they want women's rights, yet they

seem to be OK with aborting girls.



And not all that concerned about real rape, and the one culture that endorses it; easier to focus on the nebulous, flexible "rape culture" of white frat boys.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 11, 2016 07:11 PM (NOIQH)

275 The theory is not implausible, after my last divorce I hated the female race. Hell I was a card carrying member of the women haters man club. I have since recovered, but I can see it costing Hils 12 votes or so

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 11, 2016 07:11 PM (Weyc+)

276 People don't like Hillary because she's black. Wait, wut?

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:12 PM (kpqmD)

277 "i'm very sorry *hugs Lauren*"

Thanks. People are just awful sometimes. It was fun to bring out the Nazi propaganda poster they used against the disabled that said something like "This man costs $500 a year to care for. Dear German, that's your money too!"

You know, to justify killing him. Of course they just show GOOOOOODWIN and pretend they aren't the exact same monster.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:12 PM (f3Iw2)

278 Notsothoreau... man.. what a load of garbage. I can't believe read the whole thing. I also can't believe you didn't end up in the barrel

Posted by: Jewells45 at February 11, 2016 07:12 PM (CNHr1)

279 Lauren, I'm so sorry that is awful

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:12 PM (+4mdw)

280 We hate Trump because he lies about our Presdent of Color. We supports Senator Saders for Presdent.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at February 11, 2016 07:12 PM (xg/Ng)

281 >>> As the oldest sub-species of Catholics in the US

Qu-est que?

Posted by: Les Francais at February 11, 2016 07:12 PM (AfsKp)

282 The "Vaginal Mind." One you need a spectrum to relate to.


*****

Like a rainbow Pap smear?


I think you mean a mind that is prone to idle speculation.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 11, 2016 07:12 PM (NeFrd)

283 Lauren what are you doing arguing with moo moo? You know he's a miserable unlikable shit that worships death like the sick freaks of Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:13 PM (zt+N6)

284 i don't understand libertarian view.
i do understand we should not legislate whom can fk who, because adults

but when the result is another life, why are libertarian views so shallow?
and not address there IS another life involved

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:13 PM (9XzdI)

285 "Many Irish Catholics have a reluctance to identify as Republicans because for too long the party leadership has been dominated by a bunch of country club c*nts. The Scots-Irish think the same way, and for even longer."

Trump can bring the Scots-Irish, the Irish and others into the GOP fold, but the Country Club Beltway C*nts don't want them. Cue Blazing Saddles.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2016 07:13 PM (r1fLd)

286 >>Because they are mother fucking nazis.

Ugh, Lauren, that is soooo awful!

Posted by: Lizzy at February 11, 2016 07:13 PM (NOIQH)

287 " Lauren, I'm so sorry that is awful"

Yeah I made the mistake of having a family picture of his coming home from the hospital as the header to my pro-life blog.

And some pro-abortion goons found it and dedicated an entire forum to how "fugly" he was. That was super awesome.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:14 PM (f3Iw2)

288 249 "
we should lay a liveborn premie in front of them and ask them to abort it.
"

Oh they will say yes. They told me I should kill my already born child because "he will never be anything but a drain on the system."

Because they are mother fucking nazis.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:05 PM (f3Iw2)

Fuck them and everyone who thinks like them.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:14 PM (kpqmD)

289 Reason's comments has always been full of weirdos.

Hey! You shut up!

Posted by: The Friends of Goth Fonzie at February 11, 2016 07:14 PM (YFFpo)

290 >>Oh, now I remember Joan Walsh. She's the white chick who said we're all from Africa, no?

She was instrumental in bringing the West Coast offense into the NFL but she's lost a few miles per hour off he fastball.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2016 07:14 PM (/tuJf)

291 "Lauren what are you doing arguing with moo moo?"

Gah. I know. I just saw his pathetic moral equivalence and went all THIS WILL NOT STAND on him.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:15 PM (f3Iw2)

292 283 Lauren what are you doing arguing with moo moo? You know he's a miserable unlikable shit that worships death like the sick freaks of Planned Parenthood.
Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:13 PM (zt+N6)

This. It's best just to ignore him, even though I don't always take my own advice on the subject.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:15 PM (kpqmD)

293 Lauren what are you doing arguing with moo moo? You
know he's a miserable unlikable shit that worships death like the sick
freaks of Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:13 PM (zt+N6)


Exactly. Not worth the time/effort/emotional cost.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 07:15 PM (TOk1P)

294 Qu-est que?

Vous etiez en Quebec a cette epoque, n'est-ce pas?

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:15 PM (6FqZa)

295 Lauren, it's unconscionable i do remember their words of hate directed at Palins baby ,Trig?

i srsly cannot grok their mentality.

If we are worried about drains on a system , you would think they would be committed enough to do away with themselves in solidarity with their beliefs.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:16 PM (9XzdI)

296 288 249 "
we should lay a liveborn premie in front of them and ask them to abort it.
"


Lay me down. Let them try. Yeah. 7 month old premie on Nov of '62.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 11, 2016 07:17 PM (geVJ9)

297 ... et en Acadie, bien sur

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:17 PM (6FqZa)

298 {{{{{Lauren and Lauren's baby boy}}}}}... those people were stupid and evil and I am glad your boy has you for a mama instead of one of those monsters.



God does not make junk and I will pray that he holds you both in the palm of His hand.



Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:18 PM (NPofj)

299 "you would think they would be committed enough to do away with themselves in solidarity with their beliefs."

Yeah, strange how it's always *other people* who should pay the price for their beliefs right?

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:18 PM (3DIzJ)

300 "but when the result is another life, why are libertarian views so shallow? and not address there IS another life involved"

Many frame this as when does life begin? I frame it as when does infanticide begin?

If Hillary had her way, the "fetus" isn't safe until "it" is discharged from the hospital.

Personally, I'd support a 40 - 60 day quickening, but YMMV.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2016 07:18 PM (r1fLd)

301 but she's lost a few miles per hour off he fastball.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2016 07:14 PM (/tuJf)


I would think so. She's been dead since 1959. She did win 40 games in 1908 though, and she's in the Hall of Fame... although maybe she doesn't quite deserve to be... still, that should count for something.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 07:19 PM (TOk1P)

302 Thanks, redbanzai.

I'm able to detach a bit now, but at the time I was a mess.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:19 PM (3DIzJ)

303 Hillary wasn't the one who voted to stick live infants in a closet.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:19 PM (6FqZa)

304 I know, I'm living dangerous, posting long posts. And I did italics this morning too! Woo Hoo!

Between that post and the idiot relative that luvs her some Black Panthers, I think I've had enough of the 60s for today.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 07:19 PM (5HBd1)

305 Yes or no. Do you believe that the government has a legitimate role in legislating homicide?
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:07 PM (f3Iw2)

____

I'm not playing this game of yours. An abortion isn't homicide.

And yes I know, I know in some states if you kill a pregnant mother you get charged with 2 murders. I've heard it all a million times.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:19 PM (0LHZx)

306 >>> Vous etiez en Quebec a cette epoque, n'est-ce pas?

John Adams had some issue with Philadelphia being overrun.

You went way past what I remember from school,

Posted by: le fluffy at February 11, 2016 07:19 PM (AfsKp)

307
How often do you hear women say they are having a baby?

How often do you hear women say they are having an abortion?

Have you ever heard a pro-choice and pregnant woman who wants the baby call s/he a fetus at ANY point during her pregnancy?

Instinctively we all know what's right and wrong here, we can't help it.

Some will rationalize the wrong, and horrifically the root of that is simple convenience.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 07:19 PM (3myMJ)

308 he will never be anything but a drain on the system.

And by "the system" they mean "me"

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 07:20 PM (39g3+)

309
"but when the result is another life, why are libertarian views so shallow? and not address there IS another life involved"


Because they don't recognize a higher power, the world revolves around them.


Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:21 PM (+4mdw)

310
Oh they will say yes. They told me I should kill my already born child because "he will never be anything but a drain on the system."


The same people outraged over claiming Obamacare includes 'death panels.'

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 07:21 PM (oVJmc)

311 Come, mister tally-man, tally me ba-na-na..........


daylight come and me wann go home

Posted by: Harry Belafonte ( accurate in the deeper sense ) at February 11, 2016 07:21 PM (8CdUx)

312 "I'm not playing this game of yours. An abortion isn't homicide. "

It's not a game. It's an honest question. One that you answer through your silence.

And of course abortion is homicide. A human fetus is human. Abortion kills said human. Abortion is homicide.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:21 PM (3DIzJ)

313 Who the hell is Joan Walsh? Any relation to Joe Walsh? If not idgaf.

Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 07:22 PM (BO/km)

314 What you all don't seem to understand about me is I'm not so much pro-abortion as I am truly pro-choice. I want a woman to have the right to decide. And that's my point faux libertarians....so many of them scream about freedom but when it comes to the most basic freedom there is - controlling your own fucking body - oh no no no no, we can't have that kind of freedom.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:22 PM (0LHZx)

315 >>And some pro-abortion goons found it and dedicated an entire forum to how "fugly" he was. That was super awesome.


Yikes, that's just.....I can't even conceive of what would make someone do that.These people are filled with hate, huh?
Not surprising they did the Satanic chants at the Austin state house.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 11, 2016 07:22 PM (NOIQH)

316 I'm not playing this game of yours. An abortion isn't homicide.

And yes I know, I know in some states if you kill a pregnant mother you get charged with 2 murders. I've heard it all a million times.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:19 PM (0LHZx)

you do realize in some countries weeks of gestation are addressed if the baby is aborted later than those regarded as legal ..in THOSE cases is it than homicide?

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:22 PM (9XzdI)

317 >>> abortion isn't homicide

How many trimesters are ok? If you stop at three, why? Babies aren't exactly learning calculus in the fourth trimester.

How long after conception did you become a person?

Posted by: fluffy at February 11, 2016 07:22 PM (AfsKp)

318 284 i don't understand libertarian view.
i do understand we should not legislate whom can fk who, because adults

but when the result is another life, why are libertarian views so shallow?
and not address there IS another life involved
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:13 PM (9XzdI)

Well, the "libertarian view" is kind of split on the issue. If you look at a fetus as a "clump of cells," then being against abortion is religiously motivated.

If you look at a fetus as a "unique human with unique DNA" who has the inalienable right to life, then you see being against abortion as being pro-liberty.

...So... I mean I get both sides.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 07:23 PM (AkOaV)

319 Fair enough, fluffy; I didn't know about the post-Revolution immigration patterns. If you say that lots of Frogs hopped over to Philly, I'll take your word for it.

First Catholics in America-to-be would probably be the settlers of Maryland IIRC. Those were English.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:23 PM (6FqZa)

320 Reminder: Moo Moo is an amoral dishonest uninformed jackass that pretends he is superior and knowledgeable in all things.

Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:23 PM (zt+N6)

321 They support abortion because they have brainwashed themselves into thinking that it really is just a "clump of cells". And they cannot allow anything to shake that. And for the most part, remember that they'd like to kill off a large number of people to save the earth.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 07:23 PM (5HBd1)

322
And of course abortion is homicide. A human fetus is human. Abortion kills said human. Abortion is homicide.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:21 PM (3DIzJ)

____

That's your opinion. I can respect your opinion, as much as I disagree with it. You might try doing the same.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:23 PM (0LHZx)

323 I will collect shamrocks, look for keebler elves in cork trees and dress like Maureen O'Hara in Brigadoon
Posted by: ThunderB



Dress like Maureen O'Sullivan in Tarzan and His Mate and all is forgiven.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:23 PM (1xUj/)

324 320 Reminder: Moo Moo is an amoral dishonest uninformed jackass that pretends he is superior and knowledgeable in all things.
Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:23 PM (zt+N6)

You forgot bloodthirsty and vile.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:24 PM (kpqmD)

325 >>> controlling your own fucking body

It's not your own body.

Posted by: fluffy at February 11, 2016 07:24 PM (AfsKp)

326 It's not a game. It's an honest question. One that you answer through your silence.



And of course abortion is homicide. A human fetus is human. Abortion kills said human. Abortion is homicide.





Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:21 PM (3DIzJ)


Seriously, Lauren. The prick has the nerve to come back at you, after reading your comments here. He doesn't deserve your response. He's an empty, cruel, useless-to-this-site troll. As with all trolls, the truth always applies: don't feed them.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2016 07:24 PM (TOk1P)

327 "Three decades of jungle warfare against Republicans has left Hillary battle-tested and well-versed in the dark arts of political campaigning. She will, I have no doubt, annihilate whoever emerges from the Republican Convention and be drinking out of their skull by November."

Hillary is a god-awful campaigner. Even with Bill and the committed support of an entire Administration-in-Waiting she's losing -- Again!

It's not just her baggage. She doesn't like people and it shows. Her campaign rhetoric is narcissistic: my accomplishments, my experience .....



Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2016 07:24 PM (r1fLd)

328
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:22 PM (0LHZx)

Okay, so I have the right to control my own body.
Suppose I choose to control my body, by grabbing a knife and plunging it into your heart. Of course you would want this action criminalized. But why? Doesn't it infringe on my control over my body?

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:24 PM (+4mdw)

329 314 What you all don't seem to understand about me is I'm not so much pro-abortion as I am truly pro-choice. I want a woman to have the right to decide. And that's my point faux libertarians....so many of them scream about freedom but when it comes to the most basic freedom there is - controlling your own fucking body - oh no no no no, we can't have that kind of freedom.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:22 PM (0LHZx)

Moo, as I said (after your comment, to be fair), it comes down to how you view a fetus.

If it's a clump of cells in a womans body, then yes -- abortion on demand is a liberty view.

If it's a human life with unique DNA living inside another person -- well, then the fetus has the same right to life as any other person.

So... I don't know.... I mean I can see both sides.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 07:24 PM (AkOaV)

330 moo, what's to stop a woman from using contraceptions , iuds, the pill, abstinence, the shot, the rubbers?

or they man /woman just does oral for satisfaction?

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:25 PM (9XzdI)

331 And that's my point faux libertarians....so many of them scream about freedom but when it comes to the most basic freedom there is - controlling your own fucking body - oh no no no no, we can't have that kind of freedom.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:22 PM (0LHZx)

*****

That is because there is more than one body involved here, ghoul.

Posted by: Tim in GA at February 11, 2016 07:25 PM (v/uaY)

332
Reason's comments has always been full of weirdos.

Hey! You shut up!
Posted by: The Friends of Goth Fonzie





Hey, Stunad! We're standing right here!

Posted by: Alyssa Milano, as Told To Nick Gillespie

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2016 07:25 PM (kdS6q)

333 They can decide what to do with their body. They can decide not to have sex. They can decide to use birth control, which by the way is way more effective than when they started pushing for legalized abortions. But once you cross that line and have another life in you, that is where it stops. That new life deserves to have rights.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 07:25 PM (5HBd1)

334 Okay, so I have the right to control my own body.
Suppose I choose to control my body, by grabbing a knife and plunging it into your heart. Of course you would want this action criminalized. But why? Doesn't it infringe on my control over my body?
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:24 PM (+4mdw)

That's not quite fair -- you're infringing on MooMoo's right to life by stabbing him.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 07:25 PM (AkOaV)

335 "so many of them scream about freedom but when it comes to the most basic freedom there is - controlling your own fucking body - oh no no no no, we can't have that kind of freedom."

Because it is not YOUR body. Notice that no one gives a damn if you get a mole removed or a tooth pulled. Do you need a diagram? Here you go.

Your body ->( (someone else's body) )

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:25 PM (3DIzJ)

336 It's one thing to step on one's dick, but another to sew the appendage to the bottom of one's own shoe and call it standing on principle.

Srsly, Moo; give it up.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (6FqZa)

337 is there a dem debate tonight on The Ocho?

what has Hillary promised to get the Back Caucus endorsement? Reparations?

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (zOTsN)

338 "Instinctively we all know what's right and wrong"

And the entire system is set up to make us doubt that gut reaction.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (Z8DIA)

339 Here's a fun new campaign ad for Ted Cruz:

Should've gone with an I'm Ted and I approve at the end.

Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (DL2i+)

340 "you're infringing on MooMoo's right to life by stabbing him"

...which is exactly what abortion does to the child.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (3DIzJ)

341 When they pull out the utilitarian argument to kill infirm human beings, I like to pull out the example of Charles Proteus Steinmetz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Proteus_Steinmetz

Hunchbacked dwarf with hip displasia.

Held 200 patents in the field of electrical theory and engineering. As influential as Tesla or Edison.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (oVJmc)

342 I don't know what the fuck Joan Walsh's problem is, but I'm guessing it's Really Hard to Pronounce.

Posted by: Mister Christopher (in Atlanta!) at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (EZkAS)

343 It's one thing to step on one's dick, but another to sew the appendage to the bottom of one's own shoe and call it standing on principle.




I believe that is known as "The Full Nugent"

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (zOTsN)

344 Nugent's "Strangelhold" would go a lot better with some smoke. Who's holding?

Posted by: Bjorn Trumpalot at February 11, 2016 07:27 PM (8im/A)

345 And of course abortion is homicide. A human fetus is human. Abortion kills said human. Abortion is homicide.



Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:21 PM (3DIzJ)



____



That's your opinion. I can respect your opinion, as much as I disagree with it. You might try doing the same.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:23 PM (0LHZx)

It's not a matter of opinion. Do you think a human fetus is a cat? a kangaroo? a lion? what the hell would it be but a human being with a God given fundamental right to his or her own life?

Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:27 PM (NPofj)

346 Moo Moo,

It's not an opinion. It is a scientific fact that those cells become a human baby.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 07:27 PM (5HBd1)

347 >>> First Catholics in America-to-be would probably be the settlers of Maryland IIRC. Those were English.

Yes. I wasn't trying to imply the French were first, just that they precede the Irish. The "Know Nothings" were worked up about German Catholics.

Posted by: fluffy at February 11, 2016 07:27 PM (AfsKp)

348 That's not quite fair -- you're infringing on MooMoo's right to life by stabbing him.



Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 07:25 PM (AkOaV)

Which is my point. The whole "right to control my body" argument is a red herring. Of course I have the right to control my own body, but not to extend that control over killing another human being.

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:27 PM (+4mdw)

349 So... I don't know.... I mean I can see both sides.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 07:24 PM (AkOaV)

___

My god you monster!!!!

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:27 PM (0LHZx)

350 the whole conversation is so dishonest.

to some an evacuation of parasitical cells.
will celebrate the same parasitical cells being introduced to the world as a child 1 day or hour later

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:28 PM (9XzdI)

351 never go Full Nugent

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:28 PM (zOTsN)

352 "So... I don't know.... I mean I can see both sides.:"

But only one side is scientifically accurate. That's like saying "well, I can see both sides. One one hand you say that water is wet, but this guy says it's dry. It's complicated."

No. A fetus is a human being with unique DNA from the moment of conception. The end.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:28 PM (0C2f1)

353 How long after conception did you become a person?

Posted by: fluffy at February 11, 2016 07:22 PM (AfsKp)

Fluffy, in ancient Rome, circa 500 BC, a child could legally be killed by its parents up to what was called the "age of reason" or around 4 years of age. Before then it was thought that the child didn't know enough to be a true human under the law.

So, we've moved in the right direction at least. I'm sure some parents would have liked this law extended to teenagers, but that's a different discussion.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 07:29 PM (3myMJ)

354 ...which is exactly what abortion does to the child.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (3DIzJ)

I tend to agree. But I can see why people think differently. I think this is more of a "hearts and minds" thing then anything else.

And I'm most definitely not trying to pick a fight with you.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 07:29 PM (AkOaV)

355 Seems like half the people I know are just a tick away from exploding with stress and anxiety at any time about the way the country is going. The other 50% are probably never going to care about anything with Passion.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 11, 2016 07:30 PM (Weyc+)

356 We just launched a political T-Shirt store! mememilk.com We just launched a line of Make Your State Great Again T-shirts! Show the world you want to make your state great again at MEMEMILK.com!

Posted by: mememilk at February 11, 2016 07:30 PM (cAA5P)

357 i like passion.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:30 PM (9XzdI)

358 "That's your opinion. I can respect your opinion, as much as I disagree with it. You might try doing the same. "

I can't do the same because it is not my opinion it is scientific fact. A new, unique life is formed at amphimixis. The species? Human.

So...what's the alternative narrative here?

That's indisputable.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:31 PM (0C2f1)

359 When Joan Walsh is alone in that special place, she hears voices.

Primal voices that speak of unspeakable diversity and inclusion.

Posted by: Fritz at February 11, 2016 07:31 PM (BngQR)

360 i like passion.
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:30 PM (9XzdI)

*****

Go on.....

Posted by: Tim in GA at February 11, 2016 07:31 PM (v/uaY)

361
they pull out the utilitarian argument to kill infirm human beings
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel



Interesting to see that argument on the day they're wheeling out Stephen Hawking to take a bow on Gravity Wave Day.

If they had an ALS test and abortion on demand when he was in utero, what would his chances have been?


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2016 07:31 PM (kdS6q)

362
No. A fetus is a human being with unique DNA from the moment of conception. The end.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:28 PM (0C2f1)

Fair enough.

But Moo holds a view held by many. I tend to think they're wrong, but I think the two sides of this argument come at this issue from such different views that it's hard to have a conversation without people like Moo coming off like a dick and without people against Moo coming off like religiously motivated angry people.

::ducks and hides::

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 07:31 PM (AkOaV)

363 If everything is racist then nothing is racist. That seems like elementary logic to me.

Posted by: Northernlurker at February 11, 2016 07:32 PM (hJrjt)

364 Which is my point. The whole "right to control my body" argument is a red herring. Of course I have the right to control my own body, but not to extend that control over killing another human being.
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:27 PM (+4mdw)

____

Only if you think the fetus is a "human being". That what it comes down to. You think it is. I don't think it is, at least not in the first few weeks.

And as I have said about a trillion times here, I do not want later term or partial birth abortions.

It's not that fucking complicated.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:32 PM (0LHZx)

365 fluffy, sorry we had to have this educational (from my standpoint) discussion in the middle of a flamewar. Doubly sorry if I came off like un sac de douche for laboriously airing out some (probably poor) French in response.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo got a 'b' at o-level because he wasn't that good in high school either at February 11, 2016 07:32 PM (6FqZa)

366 okay.. what did I miss?? Something happen to Lauren? Lauren... do I need to kick someones ass? I scrolled thru the comments but didn't see anything.. but I'm dead tired so I may have missed it.

Posted by: Jewells45 at February 11, 2016 07:32 PM (CNHr1)

367 Vinegary Valkyries of Vaginal Solidarity

give us a C

give us a U

give us a N

give us a T

give us a S

What's that spell?

What's that spell?

What's that smell?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 11, 2016 07:32 PM (Xo1Rt)

368 Hey mememilk milk me ya f'n spamstic.

Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 07:33 PM (BO/km)

369
She was instrumental in bringing the West Coast offense into the NFL but she's lost a few miles per hour off he fastball.

she also sang and played guitar for the Eagles

Posted by: flawless male logic at February 11, 2016 07:33 PM (lKyWE)

370 367 okay.. what did I miss?? Something happen to Lauren? Lauren... do I need to kick someones ass? I scrolled thru the comments but didn't see anything.. but I'm dead tired so I may have missed it.
Posted by: Jewells45 at February 11, 2016 07:32 PM (CNHr1)

Moo being an idiotic, nasty and fact-deficient twat on the subject of abortion, per usual.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:33 PM (kpqmD)

371 "I think this is more of a "hearts and minds" thing then anything else. "

I'm nicer in most places. Here I'm mean because I figure you can all take it.

But yes, it is frustrating having to patiently explain 9th grade science to people again and again only to have them say "yeah, but I just don't feel that way y'know?"

It's a sad case when facts don't matter and people are dumb and you have to say "ok, the ground told me it wants water!"

(not to you in particular, just having had this conversation 100000 times I've seen the trend)

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:34 PM (0C2f1)

372 I'm just glad my parents, me and my wife and my daughters were not so worried about the hardship children bring. Life would suck without all those surviving fetuses around.

Posted by: Willy J. at February 11, 2016 07:34 PM (Nkdwp)

373
I'm not playing this game of yours. An abortion isn't homicide.


You and I both know its the willfully killing of a human being, its just legal now. That doesn't make it any less murder, its just legal murder.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 07:35 PM (39g3+)

374 I used to be pro-abortion, so I understand how hard it is to let go of that viewpoint.

Here's an article on Kermit Gosnell:

http://theatln.tc/1plpuTU


Please take a look at the picture and tell me if you think that is a clump of cells or a child. Gosnell thought it was a clump of cells and joked about killing them. It is a slippery slope and we should not have gone down it. I like to remind pro abortion folks that birth control is covered under Obamacare and can even be picked up at the supermarket (if you like the kind that also prevents STDs).

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 07:35 PM (5HBd1)

375 " I don't think it is, at least not in the first few weeks. "

Which is completely unscientific and based on absolutely nothing.

I think that my bank account is bigger than Trumps!

Why won't anyone take my million dollar check!?

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:35 PM (0C2f1)

376 Hunchbacked dwarf with hip displasia.



Held 200 patents in the field of electrical theory and engineering. As influential as Tesla or Edison.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (oVJmc)

Or Toulouse-Lautrec who was disabled and was also an artistic genius of explosive productivity who generated 737
canvases, 275 watercolors, 363 prints and posters and 5,084 drawings in a career of fewer than 20 years.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:35 PM (NPofj)

377 Moo being an idiotic, nasty and fact-deficient twat on the subject of abortion, per usual.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:33 PM (kpqmD)

_____

Is this how you try and bring people over to your side?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:36 PM (0LHZx)

378
okay.. what did I miss??
Posted by: Jewells45



Some people will never understand the difference between getting the good type of attention, and getting the bad type of attention.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2016 07:36 PM (kdS6q)

379 and without people against Moo coming off like religiously motivated angry people.


None of my arguments against abortion have anything to do with religion, and they never have. That is another red herring, that all of us pro-lifers are just parroting Scripture. It isn't true in the slightest.

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:37 PM (+4mdw)

380 'Is this how you try and bring people over to your side?'

He was trying to be nice.

Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 07:37 PM (BO/km)

381 As I talked about in comment 307, arguing abortion with people who support it is usually useless as they already know it's wrong deep inside.

Like a drug addict or criminal they have to decide for themselves to follow their deepest knowledge about right or wrong.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 07:37 PM (3myMJ)

382 >>> Doubly sorry if I came off like un sac de douche for laboriously airing out some (probably poor) French in response.

It's a preferable distraction. No showers inferred.

Posted by: fluffy at February 11, 2016 07:38 PM (AfsKp)

383 Only if you think the fetus is a "human being". That what it comes down
to. You think it is. I don't think it is, at least not in the first few
weeks.


So if it's not a human being, then what species does it belong to? Orangutan?

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:38 PM (+4mdw)

384
You have vaginal knitters & vaginal painters. Why not vaginal voters.

Power to the Puthey!!!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 07:38 PM (iQIUe)

385 I'm not wading into this mess again, but I do have something good to offer. This girl, her name is Shaylnn, you guys pray for her. She almost went through with an abortion and changed her mind at the last minute. The dad is a deadbeat and is in jail. This was a really brave choice for her. Baby boy due in May.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:38 PM (2x3L+)

386 never be anything but a drain on the system.

With practice you could put one of these drains into their carotid.

http://tinyurl.com/zdwry6k

Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2016 07:38 PM (DL2i+)

387 It's a good day for a flamewar.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 11, 2016 07:39 PM (JO9+V)

388 And aside from some externe lunatics out there, I've never heard anyone propose that abortion should be mandatory. If you don't want to have one, don't fucking have one. But don't tell anyone else they can't.

Same goes for everything else...

you don't like guns, don't own one

you don't like gay marriage, don't marry someone of your own sex

you don't like salt, don't fucking eat salt.

you don't like drugs, don't do drugs

But leave me the fuck alone to do the opposite of what you don't like if I choose to.

THAT is libertarianism.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:39 PM (0LHZx)

389 Power to the Puthey!!!

Right On!!!

Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 07:39 PM (BO/km)

390 Joan Walsh: Supporting Bernie Sanders is... Racist


Liberals beclown themselves again.... is there no level of stupidity they won't stoop to to get hillary back into the whitehouse??

Posted by: cathymv at February 11, 2016 07:39 PM (jw3dr)

391 I was asked recently to define the key difference between Hillary and Sanders. I framed my answer in terms of the reaction of each to the One Ring of Power.

Hillary: "With this ring, I shall rule over all of Middle Earth! The time of men and elves is at an end!"

Sanders: "Precioussssssssssssss!!!!!"

I think that's how they both see the Presidency, too.

Posted by: Qoheleth at February 11, 2016 07:39 PM (iIzG7)

392 "and without people against Moo coming off like religiously motivated angry people."

I don't think I've ever used a single religious argument against abortion.

Maybe if I were talking to one of the annoying assholes from RCRC or something.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:40 PM (3DIzJ)

393 Don't want a baby? Kill it!

Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 07:40 PM (BO/km)

394 Well at least it's putting me in the right mood to watch DEADPOOL tonight.

(Please, movie, don't fork this up.)

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:40 PM (6FqZa)

395 Is this how you try and bring people over to your side?


I have no interest in attempting to bring you to my side. Your bloodlust cannot be abated by reason or facts, as you have repeatedly demonstrated. So if I seek to address you or talk about you I will direct to you all the opprobrium your vile, hateful nature deserves.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:40 PM (kpqmD)

396 Libertarianism doesn't think killing people is a matter of liberty. Some just lie to themselves that a baby isn't human.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 07:40 PM (39g3+)

397 So let me see if I understand Moo Moo's understanding of reproductive biology

The moment before conception: no living being at all
The moment of conception, until "a few weeks" later: ????
The moment after "a few weeks": a living human being!

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:40 PM (+4mdw)

398 ". If you don't want to have one, don't fucking have one. But don't tell anyone else they can't. "

Again, does this go for all killing or just prenatal killing?

Don't like rape? Don't rape someone!

Don't like murder? Don't kill your roommate!

But leave it legal to prove your libertarian cred!

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:41 PM (3DIzJ)

399 Mr. Poo Poo is one case where I would advocage a banning for reasons other than threats and/or name calling.

They are just relentless and without empathy of any degree.

Can we have an One Time Never to be Done again Vote Someone Off the Blog?

Most trolls give up after a few months or just pop in now and then to stir things up but they are just so persistent and so consistently despised.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 11, 2016 07:41 PM (Xo1Rt)

400 L'elle, i guess my returning to G-d has it's upside.

i can pray now, although i'm not certain where it goes. But i will do so.
and she isn't alone many of us have done that or know someone who has been there and survived.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:41 PM (9XzdI)

401 And as I have said about a trillion times here, I do not want later term or partial birth abortions.

It's not that fucking complicated.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:32 PM (0LHZx)

Wow, that's very interesting. So there is a spot somewhere in the pregnancy process where you aren't comfortable. I don't understand why you would feel this way.

If you think the flesh unit is too human at say 20 weeks, aren't you taking a chance at 19? 18?

This is very strange to me. If abortion is OK "early", how can it be bad "later" and where's the line between life and whatever?

Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 07:42 PM (3myMJ)

402 Trump's reaction to the Ring would probably be to build the classiest, most luxurious Dark Tower where the Empire-State Building used to be

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:42 PM (6FqZa)

403
Didnt Ace rail against this type of fighting? It's non productive.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 07:42 PM (iQIUe)

404 You will never, ever be allowed to draw a line. Right to my own body? Well then I have a right to have an abortion up to the minute I go into labor.

Don't like gay marriage? Well you will be made to celebrate it anyway.

Don't like the Feds owning all the land? Well they can never have enough.

The Left is not about leaving you alone to make your own choices. The Left is about forcing you to accept what THEY want.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 07:42 PM (5HBd1)

405 So if it's not a human being, then what species does it belong to? Orangutan?

Lobster. No wait, it's a fish! No, a wombat!

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:42 PM (kpqmD)

406 well the JOO concern still roils below

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:42 PM (zOTsN)

407 Ok not on any body's watching list but had to look up the Democrat Socialist debate moderators. Gwen Ifil who was the one who tweeted out "Take that , Bibi" after Barak on the Iranian nuke deal,

Posted by: Skip at February 11, 2016 07:43 PM (BkhW6)

408 o let me see if I understand Moo Moo's understanding of reproductive biology

The moment before conception: no living being at all
The moment of conception, until "a few weeks" later: ????
The moment after "a few weeks": a living human being!


Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:40 PM (+4mdw)


It's the underpants gnome theory of where babies come from.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:43 PM (NPofj)

409 I suppose it's best to just ignore the cow in the room. Hard to do though with the reek of BS.

Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 07:43 PM (BO/km)

410 386
I'm not wading into this mess again, but I do have something good to
offer. This girl, her name is Shaylnn, you guys pray for her. She
almost went through with an abortion and changed her mind at the last
minute. The dad is a deadbeat and is in jail. This was a really brave
choice for her. Baby boy due in May.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:38 PM (2x3L+)

L, Elle, that is such an incredible story! Thank you

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:43 PM (+4mdw)

411 MUMR alert at #395

Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 11, 2016 07:43 PM (Xo1Rt)

412 356
Posted by: mememilk at February 11, 2016 07:30 PM (cAA5P)


I liked MACHINES FOR SALE better.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 07:43 PM (sdi6R)

413 I believe that is known as "The Full Nugent"

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:26 PM (zOTsN)


Actually called "Full Frontal Nugity"

Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (7XeOt)

414 I hope I can come up with the money to get my guitar out of hock...Charles needs me back!

Posted by: Kilgore Snout at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (kh0G4)

415 "It's the underpants gnome theory of where babies come from."

I like to call it the Personhood Fairy.

Sometime during the pregnancy the Personhood Fairy comes and turns us into people who can't be killed!

It's magical!

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (3DIzJ)

416 "Trump's reaction to the Ring would probably be to build the classiest,
most luxurious Dark Tower where the Empire-State Building used to be"


Think Denethor with yuuuuge hair.

Posted by: Qoheleth at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (iIzG7)

417
Singing power to the puthey!
Power to the puthey
Power to the puthey
Power to the puthey, right on right on

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (iQIUe)

418 So if it's not a human being, then what species does it belong to? Orangutan?

Lobster. No wait, it's a fish! No, a wombat!



Newts. Then it gets better.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (geVJ9)

419 I don't want any public funding of abortion. Hard to stop people who worship Moloch but I don't want to help fund it.

Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (CRXed)

420 i feel bad, i do think Moo has sympathy for a womans plight, and it can be harsh, i suggest men do the right thing by protecting the woman they want to bed, and the women do the same.
for all their sakes.

we also should demonstrate more compassion for a woman in that finds herself in that place.
and perhaps be willing to assist in her/ baby survival .

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (9XzdI)

421 Same goes for everything else...



you don't like guns, don't own one



you don't like gay marriage, don't marry someone of your own sex



you don't like salt, don't fucking eat salt.



you don't like drugs, don't do drugs



But leave me the fuck alone to do the opposite of what you don't like if I choose to.



THAT is libertarianism.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:39 PM (0LHZx)

So, I don't have to eat my Mom's lima beans or brussel sprouts or liver and onions? WooHoo!!

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (JO9+V)

422 ut another to sew the appendage to the bottom of one's own shoe and call it standing on principle.





I need new walking shoes, going to have to put off shopping for another week now.

Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2016 07:45 PM (DL2i+)

423 Prayers for her elle. Is there anything she needs?

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:45 PM (3DIzJ)

424 410 o let me see if I understand Moo Moo's understanding of reproductive biology

The moment before conception: no living being at all
The moment of conception, until "a few weeks" later: ????
The moment after "a few weeks": a living human being!


Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:40 PM (+4mdw)


It's the underpants gnome theory of where babies come from.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:43 PM (NPofj)

He's adopted deliberate, blazing ignorance so as to rationalize a bankrupt position.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:45 PM (kpqmD)

425 Moo has basically the same position on this subject as Ace, but it sounds so much worse coming from Moo than Ace.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:46 PM (2x3L+)

426 But leave me the fuck alone to do the opposite of what you don't like if I choose to.



That's fine. Just don't fucking force me to fund your shit.

THAT'S fucking Libertarianism.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 11, 2016 07:47 PM (geVJ9)

427 Mr. Poo Poo is one case where I would advocage a banning for reasons other than threats and/or name calling.

Consider him a troll vaccine.

Eventually you learn not to contribute to bovine flatulence.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 11, 2016 07:47 PM (uURQL)

428 417 - Lauren I would think that should be the natural of things, but I suppose that would be asking to much.

Posted by: Skip at February 11, 2016 07:47 PM (BkhW6)

429 Moo has basically the same position on this subject as Ace, but it sounds so much worse coming from Moo than Ace.

ace is our gracious host. Moo, not so much.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 11, 2016 07:48 PM (uURQL)

430 i like sex and i love babies.

but everyone doesn't have to do both!

fk we aren't living in the 1700s we have ways to stop the cycle.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:48 PM (9XzdI)

431 Posted by: mememilk at February 11, 2016 07:30 PM (cAA5P)



I liked MACHINES FOR SALE better.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 07:43 PM (sdi6R)

I am not interested unless there are lace wigs.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:49 PM (NPofj)

432 Moo Moo regularly demonstrates why its so wonderful here when he disappears for a week or more.

Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:49 PM (zt+N6)

433 >>> Prayers for her elle. Is there anything she needs?
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:45 PM (3DIzJ)
----
Yeah, a real husband would be nice. Thanks for asking, Lauren. She has a lot of financial and emotional support from my parish, but it's still hard. Prayers. She needs prayers. I'm worried she will get a late term abortion.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:49 PM (2x3L+)

434 "Moo has basically the same position on this subject as Ace, but it sounds so much worse coming from Moo than Ace."

That's because Ace's position is not well formed. When he actually debates the issue you see all sorts of gaps in knowledge not just of his own position but also the pro-life platform. His understanding of motivation of pro-lifers and Christians is his blind spot.

Moo, however, fully understands the arguments and yet is seemingly incapable of learning anything and openly antagonizes everyone here with it.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:49 PM (3DIzJ)

435
ok , i'm going to go outside and freeze (or at least calm down)

peace

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:49 PM (9XzdI)

436 389
THAT is libertarianism.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:39 PM (0LHZx)


I said upthread that I have known both pro-life and pro-choice libertarians. It's a contentious issue even within the movement.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 07:49 PM (sdi6R)

437 L, Elle: ace has respect for the pro-life position and respect for the people who hold it. Moo arrogantly asserts his own position, abuses those who disagree with it, and then claims to be the victim here.

I get the impression from ace that at least he wouldn't volunteer to conduct the trains to Poland. I get rather the opposite impression from Moo.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:49 PM (6FqZa)

438 And we don't need the ladies cryin' 'cause the story's sad

Posted by: Jwalsh at February 11, 2016 07:50 PM (BO/km)

439 "She has a lot of financial and emotional support from my parish, but it's still hard. Prayers. She needs prayers. I'm worried she will get a late term abortion."

Glad to hear she has support, but I will definitely pray for her and her baby.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:50 PM (3DIzJ)

440 That's fine. Just don't fucking force me to fund your shit.

THAT'S fucking Libertarianism.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 11, 2016 07:47 PM (geVJ9)

____

No argument from me there.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:50 PM (0LHZx)

441 She almost went through with an abortion and changed her mind at the last minute.

God be with her and give her strength. I do understand the fear and desperation that a woman can face, especially one carrying a baby she didn't want and from a man she didn't want. But that baby can bring healing and something better from it all.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 07:50 PM (39g3+)

442
Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:44 PM (9XzdI)

Oh I know it can be harsh. I see students in my class every semester, who have very difficult circumstances, they've made some poor choices, they had kids at a really young age and have to work to support themselves and their kids and so they can't devote as much attention to their studies as they should, so instead of the "college experience" they have to juggle "real-world" problems of child care and jobs and whatnot just to pass their classes. And by the way this is true for both men AND women. I try to give them the benefit of the doubt as much as I can. That makes me a "softie" I suppose, but I just think it is compassionate.

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:50 PM (+4mdw)

443 "But leave me the fuck alone to do the opposite of what you don't like if I choose to. THAT is libertarianism."

To this little "l" libertarian, you sound like an anarchist.

As a society, we still need to define when does infanticide begin. For Hillary, it's not until "it" is discharged from the hospital.

If up to me, I'd pick a 40 - 60 day "quickening" which has a scientific basis and comports with some religions.

Some insist it's at conception, and they're not wrong but this belief doesn't have broad national political support.

Because of the PP videos the Overton window on this issue can be moved on late term abortions. I'd suggest that the Pro-Life movement focus on this right now.

When Cruz's position on abortion gets more widely known, if he's the nominee it'll be a negative in the general.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2016 07:51 PM (r1fLd)

444 ...The Left is about forcing you to accept what THEY want...

Pray for good things. Then The Left is Left fighting God. The Left is then Left behind. Obama and the Clintons are pathetic. I wouldn't wish their lives on anyone. They prayed for bad things.

Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 07:51 PM (CRXed)

445 No argument from me there



Sorry. Abortion is funded via my tax dollars.

Fail.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (geVJ9)

446 That Dem debate can't start soon enough. The group clearly needs to fling some poop and get their ya yas out. Holding it all in never helps.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (Weyc+)

447 439 L, Elle: ace has respect for the pro-life position and respect for the people who hold it. Moo arrogantly asserts his own position, abuses those who disagree with it, and then claims to be the victim here.

Crybullying.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (kpqmD)

448 Moo, however, fully understands the arguments and yet is seemingly incapable of learning anything and openly antagonizes everyone here with it.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:49 PM (3DIzJ)

___

I understand your argument and I think they are wrong. Your position here is the "my opponent is too stupid to understand my brilliance". Very Obamaesque of you.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (0LHZx)

449 Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:38 PM (2x3L+)

Ditto what Lauren said, let us know if she needs something.




Unfortunately, I am fresh out of husbands (and she really doesn't want my slightly used ex because he has a proven record of child abandonment).

Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (NPofj)

450 I try to give them the benefit of the doubt as much as I can. That makes me a "softie" I suppose, but I just think it is compassionate.
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 07:50 PM (+4mdw)

it's humane, and you are better for it.


, ok outside now.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (9XzdI)

451 The moment before conception: no living being at all
The moment of conception, until "a few weeks" later: ????
The moment after "a few weeks": a living human being!


It would be easier with a bootlog:

Installing Human1.0 - ok
Installing Soul1.0 - ok

Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (DL2i+)

452

I cant watch that debate. Lemme know if someone breaks out a trident

Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (zOTsN)

453 Is this how you try and bring people over to your side?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:36 PM (0LHZx)

But we don't WANT you on our 'side'.

Get it?

And if we're on the 'other' side from you, why do you spend you're time here trying to bring us to 'your' side?

Face it. You're an egotistic narcisstic sadist who loves to torment those that appear to be having more fun with each other and in life than you are. Thus you feel compelled to introduce any stupid, ignorant, nonsensical, insensitive, demonic, iconoclastic, moronic, imbecilic position for the sole purpose of upsetting people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW!!

And you do this because you're REAL LIFE is bereft of friends and family who love you and care about you and wish to be with you. Because I can't believe that anyone who does could be as soulless and emotionally vampiric as you are.

You delight in the anguish and anger you cause, You feed upon it like some mindless entity lost in space in a Star Trek episode.

You are the definitive TROLL. You're only reason for commenting here is to derive some sad pathetic sense of esteem over others because of a false sense of superiority.

PLEASE; DIE IN A FIRE!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 11, 2016 07:53 PM (Xo1Rt)

454 449 439 L, Elle: ace has respect for the pro-life position and respect for the people who hold it. Moo arrogantly asserts his own position, abuses those who disagree with it, and then claims to be the victim here.

Crybullying.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (kpqmD)

____

LOL! You guys call me a blood thirsty ghoul who loves to kill babies, but I'm the bad guy. OK. Sure.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:53 PM (0LHZx)

455 Ignoramus ain't as dumb as he sounds.

Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 07:53 PM (BO/km)

456 Yeah that's it Lauren and BoulderTH. Ace is much more thoughtful and actually kind.

Moo, you're really cold. You sound like a Nazi sometimes. You really should stop sounding like a Nazi. It's not a good way to go through life.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:54 PM (2x3L+)

457 " Your position here is the "my opponent is too stupid to understand my brilliance". Very Obamaesque of you."

Well when you reject 9th grade biology with a big "NU UH!!!" it doesn't exactly speak well of your intelligence.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:54 PM (3DIzJ)

458 keep fucking that chicken, moo

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 11, 2016 07:54 PM (6FqZa)

459 I went through this situation with my daughter. Pregnant at 19, boy a total loser.

We talked it over, with her mother involved too of course. We all agreed she would bear the child and give him up for adoption. He's now a star athlete at a high school about 20 miles from us.

We all know we made the right decision.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 07:55 PM (3myMJ)

460 458 Yeah that's it Lauren and BoulderTH. Ace is much more thoughtful and actually kind.

Moo, you're really cold. You sound like a Nazi sometimes. You really should stop sounding like a Nazi. It's not a good way to go through life.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:54 PM (2x3L+)



Ace is actually willing to acknowledge it as the taking of a life. Even when the baby is at a point in its growth that he would be ok with an abortion happening.

Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 07:56 PM (zt+N6)

461 Well when you reject 9th grade biology with a big "NU UH!!!" it doesn't exactly speak well of your intelligence.


Is he smarter than a 5th grader?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 11, 2016 07:56 PM (uURQL)

462 255 we should lay a liveborn premie in front of them and ask them to abort it.

******

I was born 2 months premature and I was 2 lbs. 8 oz when born. My twin died, I somehow managed to hang on - in the era before neo-natal intensive care units.

So, I'm a bit touchy on this subject. I spent much of the first year of my life in the hospital and needed surgeries. The same sort of people who told Lauren to get rid of her child would have longed to leave me on a table to die.

Neonatalogists who fight for the lives of those tiny babies are heroes to me.

I find it absolutely obscene that a few blocks away from the closest NICU - where those babies are struggling for the lives, other babies are being hacked to bits. The unlucky ones. The ones whose humanity is denied because their mothers don't want them. I frequently think a country so morally decayed it permits this deserves every bad thing it's got coming to it.

Lauren, hugs and prayers for you and your little one.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at February 11, 2016 07:56 PM (P8951)

463 Abortion has been imposed by Federal agencies and Private agencies that benefit financially. The majority of the American public has always apposed publicly funded abortion. The Hyde Amendment has been around for a long time and has been circumvented by State and Federal agencies.

Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 07:56 PM (CRXed)

464 Moo, you're really cold. You sound like a Nazi sometimes. You really should stop sounding like a Nazi. It's not a good way to go through life.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:54 PM (2x3L+)

____

Dudes, you need to chill the fuck out on this. You really sound like lunatics. Stop and think how you sound to middle of the road people who are conflicted on the issue. Calling them nazis is not the way to convince them.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:56 PM (0LHZx)

465 Is there really another debate tonight? This is starting to hurt.

Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 07:56 PM (BO/km)

466 You guys call me a blood thirsty ghoul who loves to kill babies, but I'm the bad guy.

You need to re-read what you typed there. Of course you're the bad guy if you're a bloodthirsty ghoul who loves to kill babies, for crying out loud. I don't think you are, but if someone believes that of you, is it a shock they consider you a bad guy?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 07:57 PM (39g3+)

467 It really is too bad FB wasn't around in 1860. Instead of seceding, the South could have just put out "Don't like slavery don't own one" posts.

Posted by: PaleRider at February 11, 2016 07:58 PM (dkExz)

468 Moo loves to kill babies?

Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 07:58 PM (BO/km)

469 Thanks chemjeff, redbanzai, and CT and anyone else I missed. Pray for her. Idk, she gives me hope. Her life sucks but she gives me hope somehow. It's a sign that redemption is possible

Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 07:58 PM (2x3L+)

470 It's funny in a way though because my actual opinion of women who abort is far softer than my opinion on the subject of abortion in general.

A society that celebrates killing is to be despised.

A woman who finds herself abandoned (and let's get real here men, most abortions from women who aren't women's studies degree holders happen because the man doesn't step up) and pressured and has an abortion is much more sympathetic, if severely misguided.

We've created a system in which moral guideposts have been destroyed.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:58 PM (f3Iw2)

471 I understand your argument and I think they are
wrong. Your position here is the "my opponent is too stupid to
understand my brilliance". Very Obamaesque of you.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 07:52 PM (0LHZx)

NO. Actually, that's YOUR position in all arguments.

You act as if only you have the facts and have come to the correct solution or answer and anyone saying anything otherwise needs to be administered you're perfected injection of self righteousness.

I think this is your most grating trait.

You never ever admit ever being wrong about anything. EVER.

I realize you're grinning with glee and soaking up the energy I'm expressing but you don't realize I've planted psychological worms in my writing that will later on tonight explode in your brain reducing it from it's hardened Nazi like Metallic form into a soft and tender one of love for all of humanity with a large amount of sympathy and caring for all humans and forever more you will feel compelled to try to show concern and caring for all other humans without being a self centered ass about it.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 11, 2016 07:59 PM (Xo1Rt)

472 "Lauren, hugs and prayers for you and your little one."

*hugs* Donna. The world is a much better place because of your presence.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:00 PM (f3Iw2)

473 Moo,

I will tell you this. I was relieved when I turned against abortion. Because the position you are trying to hold is like arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. You are trying to figure out that one spot in time where it goes from being okay to kill to not okay. We make medical advances all the time in premature babies survival rate. If you want to continue to go that route, say that it's okay to take a morning after pill. But if that doesn't do the trick, the woman needs to look at other options.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:01 PM (5HBd1)

474 "We all know we made the right decision."

You did.

I'd make every young teenage girl watch the movie Juno. My daughter was 13 when it came out and it made a very strong impression on her and her friends: Don't get pregnant and if you do, adoption is an option.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2016 08:01 PM (r1fLd)

475 I don't think we should be so harsh with Moo Moo. He can't have an abortion so no worries there. His comment about late term abortions means he knows the truth.

One day he will face it.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 08:01 PM (3myMJ)

476 >>> Stop and think how you sound to middle of the road people who are conflicted on the issue. Calling them nazis is not the way to convince them
----
Moo, I was calling you a Nazi bc why not, but you do sort sound like one. You're just cold. Are you actually conflicted on this issue or do you mean all those other people who might be conflicted on this issue?

Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 08:01 PM (2x3L+)

477 Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:58 PM (f3Iw2)

I would have to disagree strongly with that and it is a very nasty thing to make such a generalization and very sexist too.

I'm still on your 'side' as to poo poo and abortion though.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 11, 2016 08:02 PM (Xo1Rt)

478 You never ever admit ever being wrong about anything. EVER.

Well in fairness, unless it is an indisputable error in fact, hardly anyone ever admits they are wrong on the Internet.

For instance, back in the day, I used to be pro-death-penalty, but it was Internet arguments which gradually changed my mind on the issue. Now I am anti. But I never admitted it to the people I argued with at the time. I just listened to what they said and changed my mind slowly over time.

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:02 PM (+4mdw)

479 477 I don't think we should be so harsh with Moo Moo. He can't have an abortion so no worries there. His comment about late term abortions means he knows the truth.

One day he will face it.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 08:01 PM (3myMJ)


Apparently the electroshock therapy aborted four of his personalities. The other seven are still going strong though.

Posted by: Joan Walsh at February 11, 2016 08:02 PM (4ErVI)

480
Crybullying.
Posted by: Insomniac



The internet debate equivalent of a teenage girl cutting herself because you're being "totally unfair!!!" when you won't let her stay out past 9 PM on a school night.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2016 08:02 PM (kdS6q)

481 This is another case of progressivitis in that it's not good enough that unfetterd abortion be legal, it has to be subsidized with your tax dollars even though you, as an individual, may have perfectly well-formed consistent beliefs (religious or otherwise) that run completely counter to this.

You WILL be made to CARE, Comrade Citizen!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2016 08:02 PM (wYnyS)

482 Your daughter was very blessed to have you as a supportive parent, Meremortal.

Honestly, if both parents and partners were supportive of women and girls who tell them that they are pregnant, we could almost completely eliminate abortion overnight.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:03 PM (f3Iw2)

483 His comment about late term abortions means he knows the truth.

I know, right? The "right to control one's body" argument doesn't magically stop at the third trimester. If a pregnant woman has the right to kill an unborn child 1 week after conception, why wouldn't the pregnant woman have the right to kill an unborn child 1 week before birth? Doesn't the "right to control one's body" still apply?

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:03 PM (+4mdw)

484 Moo, I was calling you a Nazi bc why not, but you do sort sound like one. You're just cold. Are you actually conflicted on this issue or do you mean all those other people who might be conflicted on this issue?
Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 08:01 PM (2x3L+)

_____

No I'm not conflicted. I believe what I believe. What I meant was when you call the other side Nazis, you lose the people in the middle who might be persuaded to your side. Kind of like when Dems call everyone they disagree with racists. It's amazing how similar you are to the far left and you don't even realize it (and by you I mean the royal anti-choice you).

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:04 PM (0LHZx)

485 We've created a system in which moral guideposts have been destroyed.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:58 PM (f3Iw2)

Ah, Lauren, you have condensed so many of out current set of problems into that one sentence!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2016 08:05 PM (wYnyS)

486 >>> Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:58 PM
-----
Yeah, Lauren, some of the saddest people I know are women who have had abortions and have to live with that life long regret and remorse for that single decision. The ones who do it without feeling remorse or regret are living in denial or have no conscience

Posted by: L, Elle at February 11, 2016 08:06 PM (2x3L+)

487 "I would have to disagree strongly with that and it is a very nasty thing to make such a generalization and very sexist too."

I worded it too strongly. I know that there are good men who fought to save their child and had no say in the matter at all and had to live with what the woman did.

But I've just seen so many women who tell their boyfriends/husbands/"special friends" that they're pregnant only to be told "Well, you're getting rid of it right?" or "You should have an abortion" or "I will fucking make you have an abortion" and then those women are left completely broken, and often abandoned, after they follow through with the demands.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:06 PM (f3Iw2)

488 Number one story on Fox 11 right now is Obama is back out here fucking up the traffic again, but we love him anyway. Warning Will Robinson, stay away from sector 9. Or bring tens of thousands of dollars and throw it at the Emperor, your choice.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 11, 2016 08:06 PM (Weyc+)

489 ...We've created a system in which moral guideposts have been destroyed...

Really?

Don't think so. A bunch of demons captured a few agencies. God gave time to kick them out. Greed. Now God's laws are starting to kick in. Fear. A bunch of hard ass angels (you joining?) will kick out the demons. Suffering. Cycle starts anew. Hope.

Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 08:06 PM (CRXed)

490 469 It really is too bad FB wasn't around in 1860. Instead of seceding, the South could have just put out "Don't like slavery don't own one" posts.
Posted by: PaleRider at February 11, 2016 07:58 PM (dkExz)


Threadwinner!

Posted by: The guy that keeps yelling "Threadwinner!" at February 11, 2016 08:06 PM (sdi6R)

491 What changed my mind was the partial birth abortion thing. I really did believe them when they said it was rare. So it seemed like something that would only be considered in very special cases. But that was a lie. It was something that was done all the time. And it's wrong. You can't do a partial birth abortion on a clump of cells. It's done as a late term abortion, on a baby that could actually survive if delivered. The Gosnell case was the end of my acceptance of their arguments. They did not inspect that clinic for 17 YEARS because it might have resulted in fewer abortions. The man killed women too, as I like to point out to people who say that women only die from abortion when it's illegal. That's not true either.

Gerald Van Der Leun at American Digest has a personal story about the abortions he was part of.

http://bit.ly/1TVLfuG

I'd encourage you to read it, as it's from a man's point of view and from someone that was pro abortion once.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:08 PM (5HBd1)

492 Vinegary Valkaries of Vaginal Solidarity

SPLITTERS!

Posted by: Valkyrie Vinagrettes of Vaginal Solitude at February 11, 2016 08:09 PM (KyEyp)

493 From the sidebar about new tallest building:

Opens up new ways to join the Mile High Club.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 11, 2016 08:09 PM (VAsIq)

494 I'm staying Pluto far away from this thread.

Posted by: eleven at February 11, 2016 08:09 PM (qUNWi)

495 I am solidly convinced that everyone knows that abortion kills a helpless innocent life, no matter how they argue. Its in their mind somewhere. Some even admit it, and are proud to. But they are so wedded to the culture, and to the idea of women being "free" from consequences of pregnancy, and more than a little influenced by wanting women to like them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 08:10 PM (39g3+)

496 Anyone else getting the Summer's Eve pop-up ads under Ace's mention of vaginal solidarity? LOL

Posted by: red speck at February 11, 2016 08:10 PM (9Xu0X)

497 This might seem like an unreasonable hope but I'm thinking maybe, just maybe things are worse for Hillary than we think.

Posted by: troyriser at February 11, 2016 08:10 PM (Yi5wO)

498 "Opens up new ways to join the Mile High Club."

I'd probably just get a nosebleed.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:10 PM (f3Iw2)

499 Lauren,

What's your take on the death penalty? Yeay or Nay.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:10 PM (0LHZx)

500
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:06 PM (f3Iw2)

...if impregnate I can pack a bag and be on my way. But good luck girl!

- The poet-rapper Lil' Dicky

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 08:11 PM (AkOaV)

501 494 I'm staying Pluto far away from this thread.
Posted by: eleven at February 11, 2016 08:09 PM (qUNWi)


No, really, it's safe.

We're not arguing over Pluto's status as a planet.

Yet.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 08:11 PM (sdi6R)

502 "163
I want to apologize to all the Irish [...]



Posted by: ThunderB at February 11, 2016 06:45 PM (zOTsN)





Too late. We have already summoned the torch and pitchfork mob.

Posted by: db at February 11, 2016 06:49 PM (7XeOt)"

I seem to recall reading about an occasion in the 1920s when the Klan marched in South Bend, Indiana and were confronted by students from Notre Dame. The mele wound up in front of a grocery store which had baskets of potatoes in front. The students began throwing potatoes at the Klan marchers, eventually driving them from the street. The university was embarrassed by the incident because a crown of Irish throwing potatoes seemed to be too much of a stereotype.

Any way, it's not the torches and pitchforks you need to look out for but the hail of well aimed potatoes.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 08:11 PM (QHgTq)

503 One of my favorite King of The Hill moments is on - Hank's insurance company is "Button Gwinnett Insurance." Maybe 12 people know that Button Gwinnett's autograph is next to impossible to find, so they have to be way better than plain ole' "John Hancock."

Posted by: Josephistan at February 11, 2016 08:11 PM (7qAYi)

504 Opens up new ways to join the Mile High Club.>>>

Don't I just have to go to Colorado with a willing partner for that?

Posted by: Willy J. at February 11, 2016 08:11 PM (Nkdwp)

505 Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:08 PM (5HBd1)

reading the gosnell grand jury indictment really did... open my mind and change some of my preconceived notions.

Should be required reading for everyone on 'both sides' of the debate.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 08:12 PM (AkOaV)

506 "This might seem like an unreasonable hope but I'm thinking maybe, just maybe things are worse for Hillary than we think."

Well, I'll tell you this. My mom, Hillary Super Volunteer extraordinaire, is panicking that Sanders is going to Obama her.

They're making big moves all over with Move On trying to secure the super delegates and Sanders making moves on the independents in states like Oklahoma that now allow independents to vote in primaries.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:12 PM (f3Iw2)

507 495 But they are so wedded to the culture, and to the idea of women being "free" from consequences of pregnancy, and more than a little influenced by wanting women to like them.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 08:10 PM (39g3+)

Heh. Well my wife is pretty far on the other side of the debate from me. So I don't think that applies to me.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:12 PM (0LHZx)

508
FYI

Richard Weaving

I Just Voted For " Donald J. Trump " In Florida's Primary Via Absentee Balloting



So, Super Tuesday has officially started.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2016 08:13 PM (kdS6q)

509 If she won't bite, I will. I'm pro death penalty. These are adults that have broken the law. They have been convicted of a crime and have had years of appeals to try and disprove the verdict. It is a question of which is more important: the criminals life or the safety of the citizens. I do think that we should not consider the death penalty in cases where there is no physical proof. Many of the cases that were overturned were based on eye witnesses that were wrong.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:13 PM (5HBd1)

510 OF COURSE PLUTO IS A PLANET!

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 11, 2016 08:14 PM (VAsIq)

511 "Should be required reading for everyone on 'both sides' of the debate."

Another eye opening and horrible read is carhart v gonzales.

Carhart is every bit the monster that Gosnell was. He's killed several women, including a teenage girl with down syndrome.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:14 PM (f3Iw2)

512 I don't approach the abortion question from a religious standpoint, it's something I answer innately, without effort or external input.

But, I do work (imperfectly) at practicing Christian values. It is fine to argue the points with anyone, but Christians accept that we are all imperfect.

It's not like Moo Moo has had an abortion, it's just a discussion.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 08:14 PM (3myMJ)

513 god I so want Trump to lose and Cruz to win

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:14 PM (+4mdw)

514 I'm somewhat anti-abortion, and somewhat anti-death penalty.

Neither are big time federal issues for me though.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2016 08:14 PM (AkOaV)

515 What's your take on the death penalty? Yeay or Nay.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo

Yay!

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 11, 2016 08:14 PM (VAsIq)

516 One vaj to rule them all.

Posted by: ETF3 at February 11, 2016 08:14 PM (9Iv/+)

517 The Merewife has announced dinner. Good discussion, carry on.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 08:15 PM (3myMJ)

518 ...abortion kills a helpless innocent life...

One story is that aborted souls are born in other countries and migrate to parents that aborted them. An explanation for illegal immigrants.

No tears in heaven and everyone is here for reasons even if they can't articulate what those reasons are.

Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 08:15 PM (CRXed)

519 I am solidly convinced that everyone knows that abortion kills a helpless innocent life, no matter how they argue. Its in their mind somewhere. Some even admit it, and are proud to. But they are so wedded to the culture, and to the idea of women being "free" from consequences of pregnancy, and more than a little influenced by wanting women to like them.Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 08:10 PM (39g3+)

Those who advocate and perform abortionsdo what they do for the same reason the Sumerians and Babylonians did. Their whole 'movement' is fueled by the sacrifice of children.

Yeah, I know how I sound but it's what I believe, and I believe the devil is real.

Posted by: troyriser at February 11, 2016 08:15 PM (Yi5wO)

520 509
If she won't bite, I will. I'm pro death penalty. These are adults that
have broken the law. They have been convicted of a crime and have had
years of appeals to try and disprove the verdict. It is a question of
which is more important: the criminals life or the safety of the
citizens. I do think that we should not consider the death penalty in
cases where there is no physical proof. Many of the cases that were
overturned were based on eye witnesses that were wrong.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:13 PM (5HBd1)

I would just say that (1) trusting the state with the legal power to take someone's life is placing a very large faith in a corrupt state to do something like that, and (2) protecting the citizens from horrible people doesn't have to include executing the horrible people.

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:16 PM (+4mdw)

521 Y'all still goin' on? Give it a break please!

Posted by: CowChickenBaby at February 11, 2016 08:16 PM (BO/km)

522 Electric chair? No. Electric bleachers.

Do it at a local high school. Give each of the condemned a neon letter to hold.

When electricity is applied the name of the school is spelled out.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 11, 2016 08:17 PM (hVdx9)

523 Isn't putting someone in a cage cruel and unusual punishment?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 11, 2016 08:17 PM (FkBIv)

524 The last two threads have left me in a 'no comment mode'...!

Posted by: two of spades (promotion pending) at February 11, 2016 08:17 PM (kh0G4)

525 " Lauren,

What's your take on the death penalty? Yeay or Nay."

Ambivalence. As a Texan, I am of the opinion that some people need to be killed.

However, I don't particularly trust the government to carry it out.

On the other hand, that same government let my cousin's murderer go free in 5 years so I wouldn't cry any tears if he happened to be pushed off a cliff.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:18 PM (0C2f1)

526 523
Isn't putting someone in a cage cruel and unusual punishment?



Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 11, 2016 08:17 PM (FkBIv)

No more 'cruel and unusual' than when the Constitution was written.

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:18 PM (+4mdw)

527 Don't I just have to go to Colorado with a willing partner for that?


Posted by: Willy J.

I was gonna have sex
But I forgot

Posted by: Why Libertarians are Disappearing at February 11, 2016 08:19 PM (VAsIq)

528 Re: the death penalty, I support it in principle but not in practice. There have been far too many examples of frame jobs, prosecutorial misconduct and various and sundry corruption and idiocy, that I can't support the system that metes it out.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 08:19 PM (kpqmD)

529 ...god I so want Trump to lose and Cruz to win...

God please let the people who will create the conditions for the most happiness for me and mine win office. Let me be surrounded by happy successful people that love me and that I love.

Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 08:19 PM (CRXed)

530 Isn't putting someone in a cage cruel and unusual punishment?>>>

For some it's an upgrade in lifestyle. Roof, heat, 3 squares...

Posted by: Willy J. at February 11, 2016 08:19 PM (Nkdwp)

531 453 Well if that bullshit isn't worth a lifetime ban nothing is

Posted by: MAx at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (LAliD)

532 523 Isn't putting someone in a cage cruel and unusual punishment?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 11, 2016 08:17 PM (FkBIv)

No.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (kpqmD)

533 Isn't putting someone in a cage cruel and unusual punishment?


Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.

Amen!

Posted by: Madmartigan at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (VAsIq)

534 Its virtually impossible to put someone to death, and doing so requires an incredibly high level of certainty and legal proof challenged over and over through multiple levels of courts. Humans are not perfect, so mistakes can be made, but as human legality go, the system in place is just about as good as it possibly could be. Innocent people do not get put to death.

And ultimately... nobody is innocent, anyway.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (39g3+)

535 The death of modern Western Civilization, - if it happens, - will be Western women aborting their children.

They want it all, they want it now, and they want a nice place to keep it.

Posted by: Fritz at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (BngQR)

536 Does playing the race card trump the sexist card?

Yeah, it probably does in the south.

Posted by: Hank at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (heuG3)

537 No more 'cruel and unusual' than when the Constitution was written.
Posted by: chemjeff


Was there no capital punishment then?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (FkBIv)

538 I was born in 1958 and adopted. I wonder if people born after Roe v. Wade ever have a moment where they stop and think, "If my mom had made a different choice, I wouldn't be here."

I mean, I've sometimes wondered who my birth parents were and what they were like, but I've never had to contemplate nonexistence.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (sdi6R)

539 Ted Bundy escaped from a Colorado prison and went on to murder more women. As long as these people live, they are a threat. There simply is no way to ensure that they will not escape. If you could do that, I might reconsider. I do believe that some people are so evil and have committed such terrible crimes that they have forfeited their humanity.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (5HBd1)

540 Pluto was rightly aborted from the list of planets. They have discovered many mini planets bigger than Pluto in the kyper belt. Besides, the smart fellas at Cal-Tec finally admitted planet X is real. When it comes back I'll be dead. So, suck on that.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (Weyc+)

541 Isn't putting someone in a cage cruel and unusual punishment?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 11, 2016 08:17 PM (FkBIv)

isn't asking them to take Responsibility for committing an offense against another human like rape, murder, prudish and old school .
where's the Love in that!

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (9XzdI)

542 And this is the thing that blows my mind as well about anti-abortion peeps. Most (not all) are pro death penalty. Killing baby: bad. Killing adult: good (or if not good, acceptable).

If your argument is a life is precious and shouldn't be killed, gotta be consistent across the board. Besides spending 50 years in prison is a worse punishment than a quick injection IMO.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:21 PM (0LHZx)

543 512 I don't approach the abortion question from a religious standpoint, it's something I answer innately, without effort or external input.



The only person here I've seen approaching abortion from a religious standpoint is moo moo, seeks to deny the scientific fact of a fetus being human until it reaches some certain point.

Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 08:21 PM (zt+N6)

544 "Well in fairness, unless it is an indisputable error in fact, hardly anyone ever admits they are wrong on the Internet.

For
instance, back in the day, I used to be pro-death-penalty, but it was
Internet arguments which gradually changed my mind on the issue. Now I
am anti. But I never admitted it to the people I argued with at the
time. I just listened to what they said and changed my mind slowly over
time.


Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:02 PM (+4mdw)"

So which arguments did you find most persuasive?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 08:21 PM (QHgTq)

545 Innocent people do not get put to death

Yeah they do, because asshole prosecutors withhold exculpatory evidence, and incompetent defense lawyers do not challenge the prosecution on the merits

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:22 PM (+4mdw)

546 Well if that bullshit isn't worth a lifetime ban nothing is

Posted by: MAx

Right? How many times was "you're" used instead of "your"?

Posted by: Turd Ferguson Missing the Point at February 11, 2016 08:22 PM (VAsIq)

547 I do not see the death penalty as revenge.
To me it is saying that the crime the person committed was so heinous, they have forfeited their lives.
Or like putting down a rabid dog.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 11, 2016 08:22 PM (hVdx9)

548 Isn't putting someone in a cage cruel and unusual punishment?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 11, 2016 08:17 PM (FkBIv)


It's a madhouse! A MADHOUSE!!

Posted by: Col "Bright Eyes" Taylor at February 11, 2016 08:23 PM (JO9+V)

549 "If your argument is a life is precious and shouldn't be killed, gotta be consistent across the board."

That's not our argument. Our argument is that it is wrong with killing innocent people.

We do not GAF if Muhammad the ISIS Suicide Bomber gets a little help to his fate.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:23 PM (0C2f1)

550 So which arguments did you find most persuasive?


Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole

Probably the ones in all caps.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 11, 2016 08:23 PM (VAsIq)

551 Posted by: MAx at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (LAliD)

He's earned it.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 08:23 PM (kpqmD)

552 >>> I was gonna have sex
But I forgot

I was gonna make love to you, but then I got high
Was gonna eat your pussy too, but I got high
Now I'm jerking off and I know why

Because I got high, because I got high, because I got high!

Posted by: Astro Man 5000 at February 11, 2016 08:23 PM (AfsKp)

553
I'm a big supporter of the DP. So sick of the lying about it. I have a list of murderers in TX who are over due to shuffle off this mortal coil:

Hank Skinner
Rodney Reed
Larry Swearingen

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 08:24 PM (iQIUe)

554 God please let the people who will create the
conditions for the most happiness for me and mine win office. Let me be
surrounded by happy successful people that love me and that I love.

Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 08:19 PM (CRXed)

I was always taught to pray that God's will be done... but I am still going to work as hard as I can to make sure Cruz wins.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 08:24 PM (NPofj)

555 Killing a baby is bad because babies haven't committed capital crimes.

Why would that be so difficult to understand?

Posted by: Hank at February 11, 2016 08:24 PM (heuG3)

556
But I've just seen so many women who tell their boyfriends/husbands/"special friends" that they're pregnant only to be told "Well, you're getting rid of it right?" or "You should have an abortion" or "I will fucking make you have an abortion" and then those women are left completely broken, and often abandoned, after they follow through with the demands.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:06 PM (f3Iw2)

At the protest in front of PP when the videos first came out, i saw several men standing there with signs saying "I regret telling my girlfriend to have an abortion." One man's sign said "My only child would be 35 today - if we hadn't aborted him."

Another guy posted here once about the guilt he has felt for decades because he pressured his girlfriend to get an abortion. I think there are probably many, many men who feel the same.

An OB/GYN who is a friend of mine is involved in the pro-life movement. She has told me that she has had countless patients break down and sob in her office because of the guilt they feel about abortion.

Yeah, at bottom everyone knows it's killing a human being. Everyone. It's just a question of how good you are at killing your own conscience and any feelings of guilt. Some are very very good at it. Others, not so much.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at February 11, 2016 08:24 PM (P8951)

557 "If your argument is a life is precious and shouldn't be killed, gotta be consistent across the board."

That's the strawman routinely set up then knocked down with sophomoric bullshit.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (kpqmD)

558 So, for Moo Moo to be "consistent," either everyone should be in prison, or no one.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (VAsIq)

559 If you support the DP.

Nifong.

Posted by: eleven at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (qUNWi)

560
Oh, and Linda Carty who is a big fat liar. And Darlie Routier (?) the mother who murdered her own children.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (iQIUe)

561 So which arguments did you find most persuasive?


Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 08:21 PM (QHgTq)

The two biggest ones were:
1. I don't trust the state to know with enough certainty that any particular criminal is "guilty enough" to merit a penalty of death, after all, if the state is wrong then the aggrieved party can in principle get compensation but only if they are living
2. Many of the arguments in favor of the death penalty seemed to revolve around the idea of whether the criminal "deserved" to live - I just came to realize that whether someone "deserved" to live or not was a decision that the state ultimately had any authority to make. Sure scumbuckets do really terrible things, and whether someone "deserved" to die is a different question than whether someone ought to be legally executed.

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (+4mdw)

562 ...the death penalty...

Either let them out of prison or, if they are too bad, force them to play Russian Roulette. Turn them lose if they hit an empty cylinder. Given a six shot revolver and the typical recidivist rate the bad guys will be dead faster than Texas executes them now. The problem currently is that incarceration and death row are very profitable businesses.

Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (CRXed)

563 558 So, for Moo Moo to be "consistent," either everyone should be in prison, or no one.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (VAsIq)

____

Worst analogy. Ever.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:26 PM (0LHZx)

564
I would love to go back in time to 2000. Life was tough but at least I had hope....

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 08:27 PM (iQIUe)

565 "542
And this is the thing that blows my mind as well about anti-abortion
peeps. Most (not all) are pro death penalty. Killing baby: bad. Killing
adult: good (or if not good, acceptable).



If your argument is a life is precious and shouldn't be killed,
gotta be consistent across the board. Besides spending 50 years in
prison is a worse punishment than a quick injection IMO.





Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:21 PM (0LHZx)"

Well, what if the argument is that the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for people who are guilty of some serious crimes but that children cannot be guilty of those crimes?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 08:27 PM (QHgTq)

566 What about assisted suicide. Also a big no-no right? So frying someone in the electric chair: A-OK!! But allowing someone to help one kill him/her self....evil and immoral.

Sure. Makes sense.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:28 PM (0LHZx)

567 Worst analogy. Ever.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo

Right? Cuz that's your own: "If babies deserve to live, so do serial killers."

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 11, 2016 08:28 PM (VAsIq)

568 Ummm moo, unborn children are innocent.
Ted Bundy, not so much.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 11, 2016 08:29 PM (hVdx9)

569 ...authority to make...

So don't kill mad dogs? The only reason for a state to kill anyone is that they are a danger to the state. Incarcerate all the dangerous on Martha's Vineyard and suddenly the death penalty will be enforced.

Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 08:30 PM (CRXed)

570 Babies don't belong in prison, so free Mumia!

Posted by: Mr. Poopoo at February 11, 2016 08:30 PM (VAsIq)

571 If your argument is a life is precious and shouldn't
be killed, gotta be consistent across the board. Besides spending 50
years in prison is a worse punishment than a quick injection IMO.





Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:21 PM (0LHZx)



Moo even you are not so dense that you are unable to understand the difference between a brand new life that has committed no crime and an adult that has committed a crime so heinous that the state deems death the appropriate penalty.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 08:30 PM (NPofj)

572 "But allowing someone to help one kill him/her self....evil and immoral. "

Assisted suicide is immoral because it creates an "obligation to die" on the vulnerable and pressures them into ending their lives for the sake of others.

If someone wants to kill themselves, they can. Society should not endorse the idea.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:30 PM (f3Iw2)

573
Juries are required by law to determine & weigh aggravating/mitigating circumstances in order to impose the death sentence. Who came up with this BS? Antis. Now, antis like Fappabee, uses it to argue against the DP.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 08:30 PM (iQIUe)

574 What about when you have an obvious murderer and there is no doubt and no regrets? Is it OK to execute the scumbag then?

Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 08:31 PM (BO/km)

575 Well, what if the argument is that the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for people who are guilty of some serious crimes but that children cannot be guilty of those crimes?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 08:27 PM (QHgTq)

_____

OK. But I constantly hear how life is precious. And if life is precious, shouldn't ALL life be precious? Who are you to decide that Human 1 gets to live and Human 2 doesn't?

When I said I'm OK with abortion at say 12 weeks but not at 30 weeks, the argument against that is well about about 11.99 weeks. What is it between 11.99 and 12.0 weeks that magically changes a clump of cells into a human? OK. So using that same line of thought where is the line between killing someone and not killing someone as punishment for a crime? In both cases it's completely arbitrary.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:31 PM (0LHZx)

576 Remember it isn't cruel or unusual, its cruel and unusual: both. Putting someone in solitary is cruel but not unusual. Forcing someone to wear a sandwich board saying they are a loser is unusual, but not cruel. Putting someone feet first into an industrial shredder is cruel and unusual.

The point people seem to not comprehend about criminal sentencing is that its supposed to suck. That's the point: we punish people by punishing them. Prison is supposed to suck. Its supposed to be miserable and awful when you break the law and are punished for it. There's no reason for it to be sadistic and deliberately horrible, but its even worst to be too easy on the prisoner.

The second purpose of punishment is to take someone away from society to protect society and demonstrate that some things will not be permitted. Sometimes that message has to be permanent.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2016 08:32 PM (39g3+)

577 The death penalty is a standard we set on human behavior.

If you believe there is nothing, absolutely nothing, that merits the death penalty, that is your right.

However, if there are acts by people so vile that those carrying out that act do not deserve to be in the human race, then enforce the death penalty.

Note, this is different that abortion, which is an act on a human that had not acted, merely existed.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 11, 2016 08:32 PM (u82oZ)

578 561 So which arguments did you find most persuasive?


Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 08:21 PM (QHgTq)
The two biggest ones were:
1. I don't trust the state to know with enough certainty that any particular criminal is "guilty enough" to merit a penalty of death, after all, if the state is wrong then the aggrieved party can in principle get compensation but only if they are living
2. Many of the arguments in favor of the death penalty seemed to revolve around the idea of whether the criminal "deserved" to live - I just came to realize that whether someone "deserved" to live or not was a decision that the state ultimately had any authority to make. Sure scumbuckets do really terrible things, and whether someone "deserved" to die is a different question than whether someone ought to be legally executed.
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (+4mdw)
***
And these are persuasive, and give a thoughtful man pause, until he considers:

1) It's not the State rendering the verdict - it's a jury. The Law is a human institution, and therefore an imperfect one, but for all that, we do not discard the validity of a given human action or decision merely on the basis of the possibility of error;

2) "Deserve" has got nothing to do with it. To execute a criminal is to remove forever the possibility of the executed person ever again making war against his fellow human beings. It is an act of self-defense, and an affirmation of the value of human life.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2016 08:32 PM (/33sy)

579 The worst argument ever is "don't give attention to trolls because that's what they want the most."

Worst as in least effective, that is, because no one ever does that.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 11, 2016 08:32 PM (bLnSU)

580 561
The two biggest ones were:
1. I don't trust the state to know with enough certainty that any particular criminal is "guilty enough" to merit a penalty of death, after all, if the state is wrong then the aggrieved party can in principle get compensation but only if they are living
2. Many of the arguments in favor of the death penalty seemed to revolve around the idea of whether the criminal "deserved" to live - I just came to realize that whether someone "deserved" to live or not was a decision that the state ultimately had any authority to make. Sure scumbuckets do really terrible things, and whether someone "deserved" to die is a different question than whether someone ought to be legally executed.
Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (+4mdw)


I tend to be OK with the death penalty (some people need killin'), but you make some good points.

Some prosecutors do tend to want to put notches in their belts in order to run for higher office. That's a real thing, and it should give all of us pause.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 08:33 PM (sdi6R)

581 574 What about when you have an obvious murderer and there is no doubt and no regrets? Is it OK to execute the scumbag then?
Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 08:31 PM (BO/km)

___

Again. It's all arbitrary. Do you kill a killer who killed 1 person? 2 people? 5 people? Do you kill someone who killed someone but then regrets it? How about if that person has kids? Do you kill that person knowing it will hurt kids? There are a million questions like this to consider. There is no absolute. Like deciding on a line of OK to abort, vs not OK to abort, it's arbitrary.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:34 PM (0LHZx)

582 And some pro-abortion goons found it and dedicated an entire forum to how "fugly" he was. That was super awesome.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 07:14 PM (f3Iw2)

Damn, Lauren. Such evil.

Recently a friend of mine who adopted two children told me her 13 year old daughter and a friend of hers who was also adopted were accosted in the cafeteria by a classmate who told them that adoption is bad, and that fetuses aren't really "life". the little bitch also told them they were worth nothing because they didn't know where they came from.

I wonder where she got that line of thinking?

Posted by: stace at February 11, 2016 08:34 PM (ozZau)

583 Moo even you are not so dense that you are unable to understand the difference between a brand new life that has committed no crime and an adult that has committed a crime so heinous that the state deems death the appropriate penalty.


Posted by: redbanzai

I think the problem is that Moo Moo thinks we are such simpletons that we are incapable of understanding something so complex as morality. The reason he thinks we are so stupid is because we don't agree with him.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 11, 2016 08:34 PM (VAsIq)

584 Breaking News right near me, A guy walks into a Restaurant Asks for the Owner, the Owner is an Israeli Christian comes back with a Machete and Kills 1 and injures 6
The restaurant is a mediterranean style, Thir is a very large Somali Population that lives here.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 11, 2016 08:34 PM (c4yY7)

585
Let's face it: without deathrows, who would European women marry???

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 08:34 PM (iQIUe)

586 ...gotta be consistent across the board...

Everyone is.

Everyone wants what they want.

If you mean public policy your argument is too emotional.

You just want what you want.

Don't know about you personally but most people want someone else to pay for what they want. Obamacare.

Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 08:34 PM (CRXed)

587 I wonder where she got that line of thinking?

Posted by: stace

*whistles innocently*

Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at February 11, 2016 08:35 PM (VAsIq)

588 chem, i do know in some cases some defendants have been screwed. i do worry about that also.
but if the case is made and the evidence is actually there of guilt, dna, eyewitness, pictures, ornaments saved, than i'm good to help pull the lever.

babies committed only the crime of conception the parents was absolution from.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 08:35 PM (9XzdI)

589 parents want*

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 08:35 PM (9XzdI)

590 Moo even you are not so dense that you are unable to understand the difference between a brand new life that has committed no crime and an adult that has committed a crime so heinous that the state deems death the appropriate penalty.

____

I'm using your logic against you. And shocker of all shocks, you run away from it. Meh.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:36 PM (0LHZx)

591 " So using that same line of thought where is the line between killing someone and not killing someone as punishment for a crime? In both cases it's completely arbitrary."

Killing another person is the minimum threshold.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:36 PM (f3Iw2)

592 The Netherlands is allowing children to decide if they want assisted suicide. There are some things, like abortion and assisted suicide where people would be inclined to say it's okay. It proves to be a slippery slope, where it's difficult to draw a line.

I would be okay with restricting the death penalty and making it rare. My neighbor's teenage daughter was raped and murdered. We were at home and didn't notice anyone at the house when this happened. A friend of the family came by to take her four-wheeling. He took her off into the woods and raped her. Then he slit her throat so she couldn't tell. It was pretty easy to determine the killer. He is in jail because my neighbor did not want to go through a death penalty trial. And word is that the guy bragged about killing her, said it was just like slitting a deer's throat. I really do not want such people to be able to murder again.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:36 PM (5HBd1)

593

"If your argument is a life is precious and shouldn't be killed, gotta be consistent across the board."


To be consistent across the board, once Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacey, and similar "things" did what they did, their lives became very much less precious ... existential threats, actually ... so something had to be done.

If you can find at least 1 fetus that has ever done something of their nature, then you have a legitimate argument.

Posted by: Arbalest at February 11, 2016 08:37 PM (FlRtG)

594 "I'm using your logic against you."

No, you aren't. You're burning strawmen.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:37 PM (f3Iw2)

595 I used to have a view similar to ace's and moo's. I wasn't a militant supporter of abortion rights, it was actually a pretty minor issue for me, but I just didn't see an early stage fetus as a child.

But the more I thought about it the less I could find a logical argument why a fetus wasn't a child. Life is life.

But I didn't get to where I am by other people yelling at me or calling me immoral. That never works. Just like quitting smoking or losing weight, the only way it works is if the person themselves is open to the idea.

And yes, I absolutely support the death penalty for capital crimes and if you can't see the distinction between an innocent an someone who has gone through what is likely decades in our criminal justice system before they are finally put to death then I can't help you.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2016 08:38 PM (/tuJf)

596 You're burning strawmen.

Posted by: Lauren

Poorly, too.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 11, 2016 08:39 PM (VAsIq)

597 I tend to be OK with the death penalty (some people need killin'), but you make some good points.



Some prosecutors do tend to want to put notches in their belts in
order to run for higher office. That's a real thing, and it should give
all of us pause.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 08:33 PM (sdi6R)


A prosecutor in Texas just got not nearly enough punished for ginning up evidence to false convict someone who ended up on death row. I think the prosecutor got fired and disbarred but should have been charged, IMO, with attempted murder.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 08:39 PM (NPofj)

598 The guy with the machete entered restaurant and attacked people - not the owner.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 08:39 PM (iQIUe)

599 The unborn are innocent.
Babies are innocent.

Convicted felons are not innocent.
>>> Sometimes that message has to be permanent.<<<







Posted by: Cottonwood Kulak at February 11, 2016 08:40 PM (EWRow)

600 Well, that one is simple. It is supposed to be the jury, that makes the decision whether the crime is horrible enough for a death penalty. That is supposed to be the way to prevent abuses. I'm not sure what you can do to enforce people to take that duty seriously.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:40 PM (5HBd1)

601 "it's arbitrary."

That settles it then. It's arbitrary.

Posted by: freaked at February 11, 2016 08:40 PM (BO/km)

602 I think the prosecutor got fired and disbarred but should have been charged, IMO, with attempted murder.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 08:39 PM (NPofj)

agrees with this.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 08:40 PM (9XzdI)

603 When's the debate?

The sort-of-socialist against the socialist one I mean.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 11, 2016 08:41 PM (3myMJ)

604 "The guy with the machete entered restaurant and attacked people - not the owner."

Figured. And dooooown the memory hole that one goes, I'm sure.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:41 PM (f3Iw2)

605 No, you aren't. You're burning strawmen.
Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:37 PM (f3Iw2)

__

Let's try again. You told me it's arbitrary to decide when a clump of cells becomes a human, therefore to err on the side of caution, no abortions should be allowed since you can't know the exact second a clump of cells becomes a human. I'm asking you why the same standard doesn't bother you with regards to capital punishment, which is also arbitrary. At what imaginary line is it OK for the state to kill a "bad" guy? How bad does he have to be?

Answer the question.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:41 PM (0LHZx)

606 ...Do you kill that person...

I pray that never comes up. If someone threatens me and mine it could happen.

Who lives in a community that encourages mad dog behavior? A lot of big cities.

Why do they live there? Because they are going to be a big name in TV and Movies.

Why do those communities exist? Because sociopaths are drawn to politics. Because if you solve the problems the grateful public kicks you out and puts in someone who promises them a free lunch.

Posted by: scorecard at February 11, 2016 08:41 PM (CRXed)

607 One thought I've had to get around the problem of the State convicting and executing people is that, after a conviction in court, family members or loved ones of the victim should have to push the button or pull the lever or whatever, rather than an employee of the State. If they decline, then the sentence would be automatically commuted to life without parole.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2016 08:42 PM (sdi6R)

608 44 Doesn't matter what I do I'm racist I guess...If I don't vote Hillary! there's also a special place in hell for me... Can't win for losing...

Posted by: donna

Apparently hell is going to be filled with stupid easily convinced young women. What's heaven offering again?

Posted by: Maxwell Smart, Agt. 86 at February 11, 2016 08:42 PM (QdAXQ)

609 I'm using your logic against you. And shocker of all shocks, you run away from it. Meh.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:36 PM (0LHZx)

You probably need to look up the definition of logic... it does not mean what you think it means.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 08:42 PM (NPofj)

610 clicks heels for a new thread.

clicks heels.

uhm. is praying appropriate in this endeavor?

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2016 08:42 PM (9XzdI)

611 "since you can't know the exact second a clump of cells becomes a human."

Yes you can. Amphimixis.

It isn't arbitrary. It is clearly defined.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:43 PM (f3Iw2)

612 600 Well, that one is simple. It is supposed to be the jury, that makes the decision whether the crime is horrible enough for a death penalty. That is supposed to be the way to prevent abuses. I'm not sure what you can do to enforce people to take that duty seriously.
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:40 PM (5HBd1)

Not exactly. Whether the commission of and conviction for a crime makes one subject to the death penalty is a matter of law. A jury cannot apply the death penalty to, say, grand theft auto.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 11, 2016 08:43 PM (kpqmD)

613 For those concerned about potential prosecutorial misconduct in capital cases, the example of Imperial China is worthy of adoption:

A judge found to have sentenced an innocent to any of the various punishments - torture, amputation, execution - then in use was himself subject to the identical treatment.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at February 11, 2016 08:43 PM (/33sy)

614 nood

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 11, 2016 08:44 PM (iQIUe)

615 539 Ted Bundy escaped from a Colorado prison and went on to murder more women. As long as these people live, they are a threat. There simply is no way to ensure that they will not escape. If you could do that, I might reconsider. I do believe that some people are so evil and have committed such terrible crimes that they have forfeited their humanity.
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 11, 2016 08:20 PM (5HBd1)

Google Kenneth McDuff, who's the poster child for the TX death penalty. He was PAROLED after raping and killing some teens, and went on to torture and rape to death several more women.

I'm sympathetic to both sides of the issue, but then I think of McDuff...

Posted by: stace at February 11, 2016 08:44 PM (ozZau)

616 Yes you can. Amphimixis.

It isn't arbitrary. It is clearly defined.

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:43 PM (f3Iw2)

__

Nope. That's when cells merge together. A human, it is not. You can say this 1000 more times if you want it won't be any more accurate.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 11, 2016 08:44 PM (0LHZx)

617 "A human, it is not. You can say this 1000 more times if you want it won't be any more accurate."

So you reject the scientific definition of human then?

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2016 08:45 PM (f3Iw2)

618 You told me it's arbitrary to decide when a clump of cells becomes a human, therefore to err on the side of caution, no abortions should be allowed since you can't know the exact second a clump of cells becomes a human.


Where did she say this? Which post number?

Posted by: buzzion at February 11, 2016 08:45 PM (zt+N6)

619 A prosecutor in Texas just got not nearly enough
punished for ginning up evidence to false convict someone who ended up
on death row. I think the prosecutor got fired and disbarred but should
have been charged, IMO, with attempted murder.


Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 08:39 PM (NPofj)

false should read falsely

Posted by: redbanzai at February 11, 2016 08:46 PM (NPofj)

620 >>I'm a big supporter of the DP.

Me too!!

Oh, what? You mean the death penalty? I was thinking of something entirely different. Never mind.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 11, 2016 08:46 PM (c7vUv)

621 If you thought that scene in Soylent Green was just made up. It's not, people are killing themselves in record numbers. Just imagine if it was legal and approved everywhere. The world is in a bad place. Buck up, prove sci- Fi wrong.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 11, 2016 08:47 PM (Weyc+)

622 You never ever admit ever being wrong about anything. EVER.

And he won't ever. He doesn't have intellectual integrity, so your reasoned arguments just bounce off.

The only thing to do with him is point, laugh, mock, and ridicule. That is Moo's language. Using logic on him is like Speaking. English. Slowly. And. Loudly. in a foreign country.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 11, 2016 08:48 PM (uURQL)

623 Off secret agent sock.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 11, 2016 08:53 PM (QdAXQ)

624 But I didn't get to where I am by other people yelling at me or calling me immoral. That never works. Just like quitting smoking or losing weight, the only way it works is if the person themselves is open to the idea.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2016 08:38 PM (/tuJf)

I try to remember that. When I was still a liberal, conservatives reasoned with me. They didn't tell me I was stupid or evil.

But I was also open to their arguments and willing to consider that I might be wrong.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at February 11, 2016 08:55 PM (P8951)

625 "561
So which arguments did you find most persuasive?




Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 08:21 PM (QHgTq)
The two biggest ones were:
1.
I don't trust the state to know with enough certainty that any
particular criminal is "guilty enough" to merit a penalty of death,
after all, if the state is wrong then the aggrieved party can in
principle get compensation but only if they are living
2. Many of the
arguments in favor of the death penalty seemed to revolve around the
idea of whether the criminal "deserved" to live - I just came to realize
that whether someone "deserved" to live or not was a decision that the
state ultimately had any authority to make. Sure scumbuckets do really
terrible things, and whether someone "deserved" to die is a different
question than whether someone ought to be legally executed.


Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 11, 2016 08:25 PM (+4mdw)"


So both arguments are doubts about the competence of governments to administer the death penalty or make moral decision as to who it should be applied to.

That seems reasonable, although I kind of think that that level of competence is a minimum requirement for a functioning state. There is also the fact that criminal gangs, which are the most serious competition for power, do enforce the death penalty so, as a practical matter, a functioning democracy ought to be able to defend itself and its citizens against those unelected and malignant organizations.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 08:58 PM (QHgTq)

626 "I try to remember that. When I was still a liberal,
conservatives reasoned with me. They didn't tell me I was stupid or
evil.



But I was also open to their arguments and willing to consider that I might be wrong.

Posted by: DonnaV (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at February 11, 2016 08:55 PM (P8951)"

That is why leftists now encourage their members not to engage in reasoned discussions any more but just to shout down opposing points of view and chant slogans. Too many people like you were open to considering reason and persuasion.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 09:02 PM (QHgTq)

627 498 "Opens up new ways to join the Mile High Club."

I'd probably just get a nosebleed


I think you may be doing it wrong.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 11, 2016 09:04 PM (XRz61)

628 262
They say they want women's rights, yet they
seem to be OK with aborting girls.

I don't get it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy

There's a theory out there that there's is no sisterhood. That all women see when they look at another female is someone who has screwed or is going to screw their meal ticket. Some would say that Hillary is exhibit A, and if so, who could blame her. She couldn't lose Bill to a "bimbo" until she gets the Presidency. Its a bit of a cynical outlook on the fairer sex but there you are.

It would explain your empirical evidence of feminists not giving two shits about baby girls, who in all fairness, many times grow up to be trophy wives. Call it the Bush Doctrine-- a pre-emptive strike.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 11, 2016 09:04 PM (QdAXQ)

629 Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 11, 2016 08:58 PM (QHgTq)

Speaking of criminal gangs, one of the most persuasive pro-death penalty article I've read was in the frickin New Yorker. It said that gang members serving life sentences continue to kill in prison and even order hits from maximum security.

Posted by: stace at February 11, 2016 09:05 PM (ozZau)

630 BTW, that mile high building post is a rendering of some green groups' idea of utopia, not a viable project.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 11, 2016 09:07 PM (XRz61)

631 There's a theory out there that there's is no sisterhood. That all women see when they look at another female is someone who has screwed or is going to screw their meal ticket.
==

Eh, no.

Posted by: stace at February 11, 2016 09:09 PM (ozZau)

632 But I was also open to their arguments and willing to consider that I might be wrong.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege )

Having met you in person I've found you to be a reasonable & logical person.

Other than the fact you drug me out onto the dance floor at 12:30 a.m.

Posted by: Farmer at February 11, 2016 09:29 PM (o/90i)

633 607 One thought I've had to get around the problem of the State convicting and executing people is that, after a conviction in court, family members or loved ones of the victim should have to push the button or pull the lever or whatever, rather than an employee of the State. If they decline, then the sentence would be automatically commuted to life without parole.

Posted by: rickl

Squeamish families might consider adoption of someone less squeamish.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 11, 2016 09:47 PM (QdAXQ)

634 Freaked @455 Thank you. Appreciated

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2016 10:23 PM (rs5De)

635 The fetus beat us.

Posted by: Deborah Nucatola at February 12, 2016 04:54 AM (MzrNg)

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