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Armageddon for the Establishment?
With the race apparently now a two man affair between Cruz and Trump, the Establishment may start to wonder if maybe they did something wrong.
I liked this David Frum point:Maybe you remember Aesop's fable of the boy and the nuts?Obviously that was written before Iowa, but the point still stands, with Cruz winning Iowa (Trump 2nd) and Trump winning NH (Cruz 3rd). I do not hate everything about the Establishment. I am, psychologically, kind of inclined to be an Establishment/corporate sort of guy. I'm not proud of that, but I am. Yet they have completely alienated me. I will repeat I point I made 20 times in 2014 and 2015: A political coalition is in fact a coalition. That means we agree, mutually, to advance each other's interests, and not actively thwart each other's interests. That means that the Establishment does not get to run the entire show, and get everything it wants, and block the Tea Party/grassroots from having anything they want, and attempt (successfully) to squelch and block every single Tea Party candidate. That means that the Establishment does not get to run on Tea Party rhetoric for three months every two years and then pursue nothing but Establishment agenda items for the next twenty one months, while frequently demeaning the Tea Party as "crazy" and "wacko birds." This is a presidential nomination, but it is also an armed negotiation. We have tried persuasion; we have tried submission. We have tried everything, in fact, short of insurrection, and I guess, all other options having failed, we're left with that one. I would not mind being in a coalition with the Establishment again: But it must be a coalition. The GOP cannot exist for very long as a vehicle for such a small cohort of the country's population, while throwing out meaningless rhetorical chum for the Dummies they think will keep voting them power. It is too late for any negotiations this presidential cycle -- no, we're not going to agree to Rubio based upon some very-late-in-the-game, completely-insincere-promises. However, going forward, the Establishment may want to consider some consultation with, power sharing with, trade-of-priorities with, and basic respect for the Ugly Stupid Ill-Educated Unfashionable voters they trick into voting for them every two years. Or else this thing just ain't gonna work, and it ain't gonna be around much longer.A boy put his hand into a jar of filberts and grasped as many as his fist could possibly hold. But when he tried to pull it out again, he found he couldn’t do so, for the neck of the jar was too small to allow of the passage of so large a handful. Unwilling to lose his nuts but unable to withdraw his hand, he burst into tears. A bystander, who saw where the trouble lay, said to him, "Come, my boy, don’t be so greedy. Be content with half the amount, and you'll be able to get your hand out without difficulty."If--as the polls suggest--Donald Trump wins the Republican contests in Iowa and New Hampshire; if, 14 days from now, he's heading on to contests in Nevada and South Carolina as the overwhelming favorite; then the leaders of the Republican party will have cause to remember Aesop's fable.
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Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at February 10, 2016 05:10 PM (ucB75)
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I would not mind being in a coalition with the Establishment again: But it must be a coalition-
Never.Going.To.Happen.
The current establishment will not. PERIOD.
Never.Going.To.Happen.
The current establishment will not. PERIOD.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:11 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: Yip at February 10, 2016 05:12 PM (e7T6D)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:13 PM (voOPb)
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Cruzageddon!
Posted by: zombie at February 10, 2016 05:13 PM (jBuUi)
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War is over til they surrender, e.g. Iraq.
Posted by: DaveA at February 10, 2016 05:13 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Yip at February 10, 2016 05:14 PM (e7T6D)
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THIS. It's why Cruz and Trump Came in #1 and #2 in IA, and why Cruz still did respectably well in NH, despite not putting in much there.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 10, 2016 05:14 PM (GsebS)
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Eff the Establishment.
Posted by: Carol at February 10, 2016 05:14 PM (sj3Ax)
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They hate us too much to do anything we want bc they dont actually want anything we want. They're all liars and frauds.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 10, 2016 05:15 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 10, 2016 05:15 PM (qCMvj)
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Trump WILL MAKE ARMAGEDDON GREAT AGAIN!
Trump WILL MAKE ARMAGEDDON GREAT AGAIN!
Posted by: Ed Anger at February 10, 2016 05:15 PM (RcpcZ)
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i've been done with the GOPe since 2012: Mittens was the last time i'm holding my nose.
that punk ran just hard enough, with some help from the usual suspects, to get the nomination, then did everything he could to lose in November.
F them all...
President Trump, baby!
that punk ran just hard enough, with some help from the usual suspects, to get the nomination, then did everything he could to lose in November.
F them all...
President Trump, baby!
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 10, 2016 05:15 PM (Eq8if)
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Slight contention. I have voted GOP w/o being tricked into it, but rather as a lesser of evils whilst I tried to force myself to get more involved earlier in the process to try to get better choices in Nov. and not having any viable 3rd option. Hell I voted for Gardner in 14, knowing he was pretty establishment and the establishment was keen on BOs bigger government so my sole satisfaction was likely to be a bit of liberal wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Posted by: PaleRider at February 10, 2016 05:15 PM (dkExz)
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Never.Going.To.Happen.
The current establishment will not. PERIOD.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:11 PM (voOPb)
The Establishment does appear to be so goo-goo-for-globalism that they will not listen to us peons in the rank and file at all.
The current establishment will not. PERIOD.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:11 PM (voOPb)
The Establishment does appear to be so goo-goo-for-globalism that they will not listen to us peons in the rank and file at all.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 10, 2016 05:15 PM (GsebS)
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Ace, they won't even admit they're establishment: they're conspicuous by their absence. They expect the party line to be swallowed unquestioningly while they hide behind their mannequins.
War.
War.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 10, 2016 05:16 PM (xuouz)
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I wouldn't count my chickens before they cross the road.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 10, 2016 05:16 PM (iONHu)
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I have some experience with little boys and their nuts.
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 10, 2016 05:16 PM (kpqmD)
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I would rather be part of a new political movement that speaks for average Americans. Both parties are terrible and beyond repair. The ruling class won't change their ways, they have to go.
Posted by: Chris Vaughn at February 10, 2016 05:16 PM (4xtsA)
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Götterdämmerung.
Posted by: Qoheleth at February 10, 2016 05:16 PM (iIzG7)
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Sorry, but I am trying to figure out my gmail account. It's fine on iPad, but not iPhone. I need a different app, I think.
Posted by: Carol at February 10, 2016 05:17 PM (sj3Ax)
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President Trump, baby!
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 10, 2016 05:15 PM (Eq8if)
Great deals with Paul Ryan. I can hardly wait.
My guess Senate will go back to Donks. Maybe praying for gridlock isn't such a bad thing.
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 10, 2016 05:15 PM (Eq8if)
Great deals with Paul Ryan. I can hardly wait.
My guess Senate will go back to Donks. Maybe praying for gridlock isn't such a bad thing.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:17 PM (voOPb)
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Goo-goo for globalism.
Curmudgeon, take these horde coins. They're not redeemable anywhere but I want you to know I appreciate you.
Curmudgeon, take these horde coins. They're not redeemable anywhere but I want you to know I appreciate you.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 10, 2016 05:17 PM (xuouz)
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From the establishment view, Clinton is preferable to Trump or Cruz. So they will happy to fuck over the insurgents, knowing that 2020 will be "Rubio's turn" - after the wacko birds have been taught a lesson in 2016.
Posted by: wooga at February 10, 2016 05:17 PM (+a08E)
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Well we've been in a relationship where I give/gave them everything they wanted and needed and they gave me less than nothing.
In fact they are perfectly willing to give away the very few victories we have won, sequester, ExIm, voting rights act, etc.
apparently just to show us we are not the boss of them.
The GOP is finished, I think this fact may be starting to dawn on these imbeciles.
In fact they are perfectly willing to give away the very few victories we have won, sequester, ExIm, voting rights act, etc.
apparently just to show us we are not the boss of them.
The GOP is finished, I think this fact may be starting to dawn on these imbeciles.
Posted by: Kreplach at February 10, 2016 05:17 PM (ppPti)
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"Kid, you're not any smarter than a monkey."
"Kid, you're not any smarter than a monkey."
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 10, 2016 05:17 PM (LUgeY)
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T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII was unavailable for comment.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at February 10, 2016 05:17 PM (zmW4B)
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The great thing about Trump being so irrational and inconsistent is that, after vociferously bashing Cruz during the primaries, he may very likely name him as his VP running mate anyway!
That, my friends, would be a crushing ticket.
The best of both "routes to victory."
The three ideologies in play, and their representatives, are:
Let It Burn -- Trump
Constitutional Conservativism -- Cruz
Establishmentarianism -- Rubio
Combined, "Let It Burn" and "Constitutional Conservativism" are capturing about 80% of the GOP vote.
A ticket with both on it would destroy a Sanders/Warren communist ticket, or a Clinton dictatorship.
That, my friends, would be a crushing ticket.
The best of both "routes to victory."
The three ideologies in play, and their representatives, are:
Let It Burn -- Trump
Constitutional Conservativism -- Cruz
Establishmentarianism -- Rubio
Combined, "Let It Burn" and "Constitutional Conservativism" are capturing about 80% of the GOP vote.
A ticket with both on it would destroy a Sanders/Warren communist ticket, or a Clinton dictatorship.
Posted by: zombie at February 10, 2016 05:17 PM (jBuUi)
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Ace... what's up with the strange new respect for David Frum? Is it time to start paying attention to him again?
Posted by: Peoples Republic of Baltimore at February 10, 2016 05:18 PM (Zyu7U)
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I would rather be part of a new political movement that speaks for average Americans.
Posted by: Chris Vaughn at February 10, 2016 05:16 PM (4xtsA)
Good luck out-organizing and out-messaging the socialists.
Trump is our last shot. And it's a particularly long, annoying, orange shot. I'm sorry. None of this was my idea. I wanted Scott Walker.
Posted by: Chris Vaughn at February 10, 2016 05:16 PM (4xtsA)
Good luck out-organizing and out-messaging the socialists.
Trump is our last shot. And it's a particularly long, annoying, orange shot. I'm sorry. None of this was my idea. I wanted Scott Walker.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 10, 2016 05:18 PM (xuouz)
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I think it's been much too easy to blame the establishment for everything. The fact of the matter is it's hard to run for President and most of the outsider candidates over the last few years either weren't really outsiders (Perry, Gingrich,etc.) or they flat out sucked or both.
The fact that the two leading candidates this cycle are absolutely outsiders would support this.
It would probably be a lot more easy to build alliances between the establishment and outsiders if we weren't constantly blaming each other for everything.
The fact that the two leading candidates this cycle are absolutely outsiders would support this.
It would probably be a lot more easy to build alliances between the establishment and outsiders if we weren't constantly blaming each other for everything.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2016 05:18 PM (/tuJf)
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There are at least as many of them as there are of us even now. We tend to think of the Establishment as a small group of consultants and C of C types, but they do have a ton of grassroots support.
So we need them as badly as they need us, and they know it. This would not be easy to pull off, and holding them to their word nearly impossible.
So we need them as badly as they need us, and they know it. This would not be easy to pull off, and holding them to their word nearly impossible.
Posted by: spongeworthy at February 10, 2016 05:19 PM (xB4nF)
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First off, I think in the story, it was a monkey not a little boy.
In fact they use such a thing to catch them and they call it a monkey trap in some country in the southern Asian continent.
Any who, SC will decide who the 2nd placer behind Trump really is.
I'm surprised at Kasich doing so well and since he was a sleeper in the first place (entering the race almost unannounced and with a large suspect showing) he may be more the establishment choice than all the others combined.
Frankly, I see Cruz as doing less well. He does not come across to the general pop as well as to rigid conservatives.
I consider him more of a fake than any of the other candidates.
Good to see some of these folks facing reality and getting out of the race.
In fact they use such a thing to catch them and they call it a monkey trap in some country in the southern Asian continent.
Any who, SC will decide who the 2nd placer behind Trump really is.
I'm surprised at Kasich doing so well and since he was a sleeper in the first place (entering the race almost unannounced and with a large suspect showing) he may be more the establishment choice than all the others combined.
Frankly, I see Cruz as doing less well. He does not come across to the general pop as well as to rigid conservatives.
I consider him more of a fake than any of the other candidates.
Good to see some of these folks facing reality and getting out of the race.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 10, 2016 05:19 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Imagine if you will..... in your minds-eye.... The Pussy Wagon in Kill Bill 2, with a Trump '16 sticker on it. You're welcome.
Posted by: Yip at February 10, 2016 05:19 PM (e7T6D)
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"Ace... what's up with the strange new respect for David Frum?"
I don't suspect it's respect for Frum, so much as "when you've lost David Frum..."
I don't suspect it's respect for Frum, so much as "when you've lost David Frum..."
Posted by: Qoheleth at February 10, 2016 05:19 PM (iIzG7)
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The Establishment does appear to be so goo-goo-for-globalism that they will not listen to us peons in the rank and file at all.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 10, 2016 05:15 PM (GsebS
That was pretty evident with the big vote they had a few weeks back. Moar Obama all of the time.
They don't even pretend to be an opposition party.
Marco Rubio, Jeff Flake, John McCain, John Boehner, Paul Ryan and other of their Republican ilk are to blame for Trump's position as a presidential candidate.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 10, 2016 05:15 PM (GsebS
That was pretty evident with the big vote they had a few weeks back. Moar Obama all of the time.
They don't even pretend to be an opposition party.
Marco Rubio, Jeff Flake, John McCain, John Boehner, Paul Ryan and other of their Republican ilk are to blame for Trump's position as a presidential candidate.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:20 PM (voOPb)
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The idea of a coalition would work there were more than 2 political parties in power. Yes, that means a 3rd party, even a fourth or fifth.
It can not, nor ever will again, work with just two parties. The establishment has crapped on the Conservative/Tea Party movement too many times. They have shown themselves to be untrustworthy. So screw'em.
When they have to reach over to another political party -for arguments sake the Tea Party - in order to get legislation through - then they may be more agreeable to work with. They screw the Tea Party, then the TP backs away from any deal.
It can not, nor ever will again, work with just two parties. The establishment has crapped on the Conservative/Tea Party movement too many times. They have shown themselves to be untrustworthy. So screw'em.
When they have to reach over to another political party -for arguments sake the Tea Party - in order to get legislation through - then they may be more agreeable to work with. They screw the Tea Party, then the TP backs away from any deal.
Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed at February 10, 2016 05:20 PM (jxbfJ)
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7 ~ tents fingers
( I love that phrase )
Posted by: Yip at February 10, 2016 05:14 PM (e7T6D)
"Tents fingers" is what you come home with after you get to second base with Sandra Floook
( I love that phrase )
Posted by: Yip at February 10, 2016 05:14 PM (e7T6D)
"Tents fingers" is what you come home with after you get to second base with Sandra Floook
Posted by: wooga at February 10, 2016 05:20 PM (+a08E)
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>>>> Ace, they won't even admit they're establishment
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I know! It's galling listening to them all call themselevs conservatives when they actually hate conservatives. They are embarrassed by ther base. They hate us and have let their true feelings be known bc they got too comfortable with their big wins in the House and Senate
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I know! It's galling listening to them all call themselevs conservatives when they actually hate conservatives. They are embarrassed by ther base. They hate us and have let their true feelings be known bc they got too comfortable with their big wins in the House and Senate
Posted by: L, Elle at February 10, 2016 05:20 PM (2x3L+)
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I'm so happy NH primary is over. I was sick of ads, one after another.
Posted by: Carol at February 10, 2016 05:21 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: speedster1 at February 10, 2016 05:21 PM (vUcdz)
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I owuldn't loathe the GOPe so much if they were just honest. If they said, look we need to be centrist in order to achieve some goals. If we aren't we will lose elections and then get nothing. And once we achieve goals X Y and Z then we can push for some of the things that the tea party is all about.
Instead they lie and campaign by saying when we take over we will do everything the tea party wants us to do and we don't even give 2 fucks about X Y and Z.
Instead they lie and campaign by saying when we take over we will do everything the tea party wants us to do and we don't even give 2 fucks about X Y and Z.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 10, 2016 05:21 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 10, 2016 05:21 PM (zOTsN)
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blah blah "Establishment" blah blah
this word has no meaning anymore, it is like calling someone a fascist or a racist.
Basically the word now means "someone I don't like".
Can anyone here point to a *precise*, *objective* meaning for "Establishment" that doesn't just boil down to "people I don't like"?
this word has no meaning anymore, it is like calling someone a fascist or a racist.
Basically the word now means "someone I don't like".
Can anyone here point to a *precise*, *objective* meaning for "Establishment" that doesn't just boil down to "people I don't like"?
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 10, 2016 05:21 PM (lVU49)
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I'm afraid having a third party (a la Tea Party, Conservative Party, call it what you will) will be the only way we can move forward.
This will be painful. Very painful in fact. The right will lose elections. But this is a long game play. And we need to stay focused on the long game.
This will be painful. Very painful in fact. The right will lose elections. But this is a long game play. And we need to stay focused on the long game.
Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed at February 10, 2016 05:22 PM (jxbfJ)
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It would probably be a lot more easy to build alliances between the establishment and outsiders if we weren't constantly blaming each other for everything.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2016 05:18 PM (/tuJf)
Well when you give Obama everything he wants or then some pretty hard not to blame the GOPe
Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2016 05:18 PM (/tuJf)
Well when you give Obama everything he wants or then some pretty hard not to blame the GOPe
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:22 PM (voOPb)
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They will continue to remain clueless. Why? Because they engage in practices that ensures their cluelessness. I received an e-mail for a GOP presidential survey. Who is my preferred candidate, what should the focus be on, how do I identify myself, do I think the party is doing a good job communicating our principles, etc.
And then afterwards they are demanding a donation. So if I'm a conservative and am disatisfied with how they are why in the hell am I going to give them any money, and I love that 'set as a recurring payment was default selected.
So I doubt my survey went through because I closed it after you can't get by the "donation" page. So they're only going to get information from a dispropotionate number of "Moderate" "Satisfied" Republicans.
And then afterwards they are demanding a donation. So if I'm a conservative and am disatisfied with how they are why in the hell am I going to give them any money, and I love that 'set as a recurring payment was default selected.
So I doubt my survey went through because I closed it after you can't get by the "donation" page. So they're only going to get information from a dispropotionate number of "Moderate" "Satisfied" Republicans.
Posted by: buzzion at February 10, 2016 05:22 PM (z/Ubi)
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Heh
Posted by: Yip at February 10, 2016 05:22 PM (e7T6D)
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This will be painful. Very painful in fact. The right will lose elections. But this is a long game play. And we need to stay focused on the long game.
Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed at February 10, 2016 05:22 PM (jxbfJ
When at least 47% of the country is getting a gubmint hand out you can have Tea Party, GOP & Donks and the Donks will always win.
Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed at February 10, 2016 05:22 PM (jxbfJ
When at least 47% of the country is getting a gubmint hand out you can have Tea Party, GOP & Donks and the Donks will always win.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:23 PM (voOPb)
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I just ate a tunafish shammich and thought of Huma. Is that so wrong?
Posted by: Yip at February 10, 2016 05:23 PM (e7T6D)
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What the hell has gotten in to Andrea Tantaros? She's hot, but the SJW whining is unbecoming. I'd still hit it of course.
Posted by: Benji Carver at February 10, 2016 05:24 PM (OD2ni)
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I just ate a tunafish shammich and thought of Huma. Is that so wrong?
Posted by: Yip
If you had made it with spoiled mayo, would it have made you think of Hillary?
Posted by: Yip
If you had made it with spoiled mayo, would it have made you think of Hillary?
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at February 10, 2016 05:24 PM (zmW4B)
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The best way to think about the establishment is that they agree with everything that the left wants with the exception of the butt stuff.
Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 05:25 PM (f3Iw2)
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9 Eff the Establishment.
Posted by: Carol at February 10, 2016 05:14 PM (sj3Ax)
Hell yeah Carol. Make them look at the flowers!
Posted by: Carol at February 10, 2016 05:14 PM (sj3Ax)
Hell yeah Carol. Make them look at the flowers!
Posted by: buzzion at February 10, 2016 05:25 PM (z/Ubi)
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It does give me some hope that the two leading candidates right now are non-establishment types. Do I love that it's those two? No, but the arrogant dinks at the RNC are in panic mode. Good. My contention is that while I have been reluctantly willing many times to give them my vote due to picking the lesser evil, I have received nothing in return. Only promises every election cycle and platitudes about giving a shit about small government and adhering to the principals of conservatism. Then being told I am chattel because I finally refuse to keep giving them my vote.
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 10, 2016 05:25 PM (btH0m)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 10, 2016 05:25 PM (Xo1Rt)
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I want all the filberts, DAMMIT!
Posted by: Sweaty, Straining Mitch McConnell at February 10, 2016 05:26 PM (7Kbxu)
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Can anyone here point to a *precise*, *objective* meaning for "Establishment" that doesn't just boil down to "people I don't like"?
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 10, 2016 05:21 PM (lVU49)
Paul Ryan & Mitch McConnell are the poster boys of the establishment.
Does the last big spending bill and giving more money than the dems wanted count as establishment. Does not fighting any of Obama's nominations count as establishment. Does giving up your constitutional duty to approve treaties count as establishment.
Jeff you're a smart guy, get your head above your shoulders
Can anyone here point to a *precise*, *objective* meaning for "Establishment" that doesn't just boil down to "people I don't like"?
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 10, 2016 05:21 PM (lVU49)
Paul Ryan & Mitch McConnell are the poster boys of the establishment.
Does the last big spending bill and giving more money than the dems wanted count as establishment. Does not fighting any of Obama's nominations count as establishment. Does giving up your constitutional duty to approve treaties count as establishment.
Jeff you're a smart guy, get your head above your shoulders
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:26 PM (voOPb)
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kind of inclined to be an Establishment/corporate sort of guy. I'm not proud of that, but I am.
Hairy yes, Hippie no. The less said about smelly the better.
Hairy yes, Hippie no. The less said about smelly the better.
Posted by: DaveA at February 10, 2016 05:26 PM (DL2i+)
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Fuck the establishment. We need a free market republican party.
Posted by: Soona at February 10, 2016 05:26 PM (Fmupd)
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"Here kid, I wanna see what you do with this football."
"Here kid, I wanna see what you do with this football."
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 10, 2016 05:26 PM (LUgeY)
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Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 05:25 PM (f3Iw2)
NO.
They'll go along with the butt stuff but they won't pretend they like it.
NO.
They'll go along with the butt stuff but they won't pretend they like it.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 10, 2016 05:26 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Problem is the "establishment" has already given away the store for close to the next 2 years.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (DUoqb)
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>>Well when you give Obama everything he wants or then some pretty hard not to blame the GOPe
They really didn't though. They didn't do squat to help with Obamacare, he did that with Dems only and he made the spending mandatory just like Medicare, Medicaid, etc..
The Gang of 8 bill never even made it out of the Senate because it was DOA in the Republican House. And Obama has been trying, and failing, to use EO to get around this. He even lost as recently as yesterday at the SC on his EPA plans.
Would I like to have won more? Hell yes. But the idea that everyone in Congress just rolled over is not true. Yesterday the House refused to even allow Obama's budget director to present the Obama budget to Congress. The budget, like every other budget Obama has submitted during his tenure, is dead.
They really didn't though. They didn't do squat to help with Obamacare, he did that with Dems only and he made the spending mandatory just like Medicare, Medicaid, etc..
The Gang of 8 bill never even made it out of the Senate because it was DOA in the Republican House. And Obama has been trying, and failing, to use EO to get around this. He even lost as recently as yesterday at the SC on his EPA plans.
Would I like to have won more? Hell yes. But the idea that everyone in Congress just rolled over is not true. Yesterday the House refused to even allow Obama's budget director to present the Obama budget to Congress. The budget, like every other budget Obama has submitted during his tenure, is dead.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (2x3L+)
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please someone tell me the differences in the policy stances of Kasich and Clinton
for reals
there is no difference between the establishment and the democrats. There is the uni party or the socialists.
for reals
there is no difference between the establishment and the democrats. There is the uni party or the socialists.
Posted by: ThunderB at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (zOTsN)
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Here is the thing to remember:
The GOP Establishment does not want to push any agenda items at all. There is not one thing they want to pass.
The GOP Establishment simply does not want to do any work.
That is the real reason they hate the Tea Party: the Tea Party wants them to get up off their butts and pass legislation and policy changes. But that would mean alienating their good friends in the House and Senate on both sides of the aisle - you cannot institute changes without upsetting someone's situation - and require them to, like, stay in Washington in the Capitol and, like, do things BEYOND televised hearings and speeches to empty chambers and fake votes on cloture.
What they hate - HATE - about Ted Cruz is that he actually made them stay up late one night by using the old-fashioned filibuster, and caused the government to shut down for a couple of weeks. This last part terrified them because they were certain they would be turfed out of office for it: it doesn't seem to have dawned on them that the actual after-effect of the shutdown was another massive GOP midterm win.
The GOP Establishment does not want to push any agenda items at all. There is not one thing they want to pass.
The GOP Establishment simply does not want to do any work.
That is the real reason they hate the Tea Party: the Tea Party wants them to get up off their butts and pass legislation and policy changes. But that would mean alienating their good friends in the House and Senate on both sides of the aisle - you cannot institute changes without upsetting someone's situation - and require them to, like, stay in Washington in the Capitol and, like, do things BEYOND televised hearings and speeches to empty chambers and fake votes on cloture.
What they hate - HATE - about Ted Cruz is that he actually made them stay up late one night by using the old-fashioned filibuster, and caused the government to shut down for a couple of weeks. This last part terrified them because they were certain they would be turfed out of office for it: it doesn't seem to have dawned on them that the actual after-effect of the shutdown was another massive GOP midterm win.
Posted by: stuiec at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (eetvJ)
68
We need to radically change the order of the primaries. There is no reason why blue State hells should go first.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (t2KH5)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (QbyMe)
70
"Here kid, I wanna see what you do with this football."
Posted by: BackwardsBoy
There's already video of that on the internet.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy
There's already video of that on the internet.
Posted by: Roxy Raye at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (zmW4B)
71
"I am, psychologically, kind of inclined to be an Establishment/corporate sort of guy. I'm not proud of that, but I am.
Yet they have completely alienated me."
Same here.
Yet they have completely alienated me."
Same here.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (t5zYU)
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"The best way to think about the establishment is that they agree with
everything that the left wants with the exception of the butt stuff."
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Let's not be unnecessarily obstructive!
everything that the left wants with the exception of the butt stuff."
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Let's not be unnecessarily obstructive!
Posted by: David Brooks at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (7Kbxu)
73
Then being told I am chattel because I finally refuse to keep giving them my vote.
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 10, 2016 05:25 PM (btH0m)
My favorite is Paul Ryan mimmicking President F*ck Stick telling me, "As Americans this is not who we are"
F*ck you Paul
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 10, 2016 05:25 PM (btH0m)
My favorite is Paul Ryan mimmicking President F*ck Stick telling me, "As Americans this is not who we are"
F*ck you Paul
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (voOPb)
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37 The idea of a coalition would work there were more than 2 political parties in power. Yes, that means a 3rd party, even a fourth or fifth.
It can not, nor ever will again, work with just two parties. The establishment has crapped on the Conservative/Tea Party movement too many times. They have shown themselves to be untrustworthy. So screw'em.
When they have to reach over to another political party -for arguments sake the Tea Party - in order to get legislation through - then they may be more agreeable to work with. They screw the Tea Party, then the TP backs away from any deal.
Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed at February 10, 2016 05:20 PM (jxbfJ)
The problem with this is that the American electoral system in particular, and Anglosphere electoral systems in general, virtually mandate two party systems.
Especially the American system, with its independent Executive.
It can not, nor ever will again, work with just two parties. The establishment has crapped on the Conservative/Tea Party movement too many times. They have shown themselves to be untrustworthy. So screw'em.
When they have to reach over to another political party -for arguments sake the Tea Party - in order to get legislation through - then they may be more agreeable to work with. They screw the Tea Party, then the TP backs away from any deal.
Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed at February 10, 2016 05:20 PM (jxbfJ)
The problem with this is that the American electoral system in particular, and Anglosphere electoral systems in general, virtually mandate two party systems.
Especially the American system, with its independent Executive.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 10, 2016 05:28 PM (GsebS)
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Ace,
I read this post and I think..."Yes, yes Ace, I know all of this. It's obvious."
But then I realize once again that the mandarins inside the beltway do not know any of it, or choose willfully to ignore it. And that has worked for them for a very long time.
They are successful, wealthy, powerful....and about to get fvcked by people like you and me.
I read this post and I think..."Yes, yes Ace, I know all of this. It's obvious."
But then I realize once again that the mandarins inside the beltway do not know any of it, or choose willfully to ignore it. And that has worked for them for a very long time.
They are successful, wealthy, powerful....and about to get fvcked by people like you and me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:28 PM (Zu3d9)
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Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:26 PM (voOPb)
Don't you mean above his cheeks?
Don't you mean above his cheeks?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 10, 2016 05:28 PM (Xo1Rt)
77
24 From the establishment view, Clinton is preferable to Trump or Cruz. So they will happy to fuck over the insurgents, knowing that 2020 will be "Rubio's turn" - after the wacko birds have been taught a lesson in 2016.
Posted by: wooga at February 10, 2016 05:17 PM (+a08E)
I think this is 100% accurate. But what if Sanders wins the nomination and goes up against Trump or Cruz? I don't think Sanders will win the nomination because Clinton Inc. will use every means necessary, inside and outside the law, to ensure he does not but if he does I think the Establishment will be either forced to sit this election out and not intentionally harm a Trump/Cruz general election campaign like they would do if Clinton were the Dem nominee or actually actively support the anti-Establishment Republican - as conservatives have had to do with the past four or five GOP nominees the lesser of two evils may win out - depending on how far the Establishment thinks Sanders goes with his executive actions.
Posted by: wooga at February 10, 2016 05:17 PM (+a08E)
I think this is 100% accurate. But what if Sanders wins the nomination and goes up against Trump or Cruz? I don't think Sanders will win the nomination because Clinton Inc. will use every means necessary, inside and outside the law, to ensure he does not but if he does I think the Establishment will be either forced to sit this election out and not intentionally harm a Trump/Cruz general election campaign like they would do if Clinton were the Dem nominee or actually actively support the anti-Establishment Republican - as conservatives have had to do with the past four or five GOP nominees the lesser of two evils may win out - depending on how far the Establishment thinks Sanders goes with his executive actions.
Posted by: Non-Professional Political Expert at February 10, 2016 05:28 PM (8EJen)
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"Come, my boy, don't be so greedy. Be content with half the amount, and you'll be able to get your hand out without difficulty."
And the boy said, "Screw that!" and proceeded to smash his still-clenched fist into the ground while shards of glass tore his flesh. Exsanguinating, he uttered, "It's mine or it's nobody's".
And that's... the rest of the story.
And the boy said, "Screw that!" and proceeded to smash his still-clenched fist into the ground while shards of glass tore his flesh. Exsanguinating, he uttered, "It's mine or it's nobody's".
And that's... the rest of the story.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 10, 2016 05:28 PM (1CroS)
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My favorite is Paul Ryan mimmicking President F*ck Stick telling me, "As Americans this is not who we are"
F*ck you Paul
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (voOPb)
CUE THE SHILL
F*ck you Paul
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (voOPb)
CUE THE SHILL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 05:29 PM (DUoqb)
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However, going forward, the Establishment may want to consider some consultation with, power sharing with, trade-of-priorities with, and basic respect for the Ugly Stupid Ill-Educated Unfashionable voters they trick into voting for them every two years.
Charles C. W. Cooke*
Are you under the impression that NR exists to parrot the transient folly of pluralities?
*Fop
However, going forward, the Establishment may want to consider some consultation with, power sharing with, trade-of-priorities with, and basic respect for the Ugly Stupid Ill-Educated Unfashionable voters they trick into voting for them every two years.
Charles C. W. Cooke*
Are you under the impression that NR exists to parrot the transient folly of pluralities?
*Fop
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 10, 2016 05:29 PM (kdS6q)
81
"Yet they have completely alienated me."
That's exactly what happened with Ben Franklin vs. The Crown. He was totally a loyal subject, but eventually it became obvious to him that he would never be anything but a second-class citizen to them, simply because of where he was born.
In the same way, the Crown couldn't even comprehend what the colonists were upset about...
That's exactly what happened with Ben Franklin vs. The Crown. He was totally a loyal subject, but eventually it became obvious to him that he would never be anything but a second-class citizen to them, simply because of where he was born.
In the same way, the Crown couldn't even comprehend what the colonists were upset about...
Posted by: Optimizer at February 10, 2016 05:29 PM (/q6+P)
82
Ok, who the hell is David Frum and why should I care about what he says?
Posted by: dantesed at February 10, 2016 05:29 PM (88xKn)
83
68 We need to radically change the order of the primaries. There is no reason why blue State hells should go first.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (t2KH5
^^^This^^^
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (t2KH5
^^^This^^^
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:29 PM (voOPb)
84
Can anyone here point to a *precise*, *objective* meaning for "Establishment" that doesn't just boil down to "people I don't like"?
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 10, 2016 05:21 PM (lVU49)
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It's like pornography. You can't really define it, but you know when you see it.
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 10, 2016 05:21 PM (lVU49)
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It's like pornography. You can't really define it, but you know when you see it.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 10, 2016 05:30 PM (0LHZx)
85
yeah.. OK, Ace..
But I still contend no one is going to get enough delegates to take the nomination outright. Even with a major win in NH yesterday, Trump got fewer than half of the delegates.
So.. yeah.. Armageddon.. and no deals with the Establishment only works if an anti-E candidates can take the whole tamale.
If it gets to the convention without someone in the lead, it will put them back in total control again.
But I still contend no one is going to get enough delegates to take the nomination outright. Even with a major win in NH yesterday, Trump got fewer than half of the delegates.
So.. yeah.. Armageddon.. and no deals with the Establishment only works if an anti-E candidates can take the whole tamale.
If it gets to the convention without someone in the lead, it will put them back in total control again.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 10, 2016 05:30 PM (so+oy)
86
I just want to hurt them, bad.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 10, 2016 05:30 PM (8ZskC)
87
Gonna repeat my willowed comment.
Anybody who thinks Cruz has great memory because he has Aspergers is just clueless, I don't care how much you work with them. Sheesh.
Anybody who thinks Cruz has great memory because he has Aspergers is just clueless, I don't care how much you work with them. Sheesh.
Posted by: Blano at February 10, 2016 05:31 PM (NHQQx)
88
"That means that the Establishment does not get to run the entire show, and get everything it wants, and block the Tea Party/grassroots from having anything they want, and attempt (successfully) to squelch and block every single Tea Party candidate."
Of course it does. It's our legacy and you'll like it.
Of course it does. It's our legacy and you'll like it.
Posted by: Trent Lott et al. at February 10, 2016 05:31 PM (1CroS)
89
That's exactly what happened with Ben Franklin vs. The Crown. He was totally a loyal subject, but eventually it became obvious to him that he would never be anything but a second-class citizen to them, simply because of where he was born.
In the same way, the Crown couldn't even comprehend what the colonists were upset about...
Posted by: Optimizer at February 10, 2016 05:29 PM (/q6+P)
"The people? I LOVE the people! Pull!"
In the same way, the Crown couldn't even comprehend what the colonists were upset about...
Posted by: Optimizer at February 10, 2016 05:29 PM (/q6+P)
"The people? I LOVE the people! Pull!"
Posted by: stuiec at February 10, 2016 05:31 PM (eetvJ)
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Can anyone here point to a *precise*, *objective* meaning for
"Establishment" that doesn't just boil down to "people I don't like"?
The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up.
Can anyone here point to a *precise*, *objective* meaning for
"Establishment" that doesn't just boil down to "people I don't like"?
The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up.
Posted by: Stuart Mackenzie at February 10, 2016 05:31 PM (oVJmc)
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The Republican party is finished.
We, somehow, allowed Obama - probably one of the worst presidents in years - to get two terms. Now, we are about to see a socialist - Bernie Sanders - or a corrupt Democratic machine politician - Hillary Clinton - win the presidency.
I am sorry, but no matter how much you think some candidate is an "establishment" candidate, that person will likely be better - from a conservative standpoint - than either of those two progressive idiots.
Trump isn't a serious candidate. He will be destroyed in the general election. Cruz appeals to the very far right of the party, but is not centrist enough to win over moderates.
I am tired of hearing about how this candidate isn't conservative enough or this candidate isn't strong enough on some issue. No candidate is going to be perfect or, somehow, align with each and every one of your political values.
We need a candidate that is conservative and can win in a general election.
We, somehow, allowed Obama - probably one of the worst presidents in years - to get two terms. Now, we are about to see a socialist - Bernie Sanders - or a corrupt Democratic machine politician - Hillary Clinton - win the presidency.
I am sorry, but no matter how much you think some candidate is an "establishment" candidate, that person will likely be better - from a conservative standpoint - than either of those two progressive idiots.
Trump isn't a serious candidate. He will be destroyed in the general election. Cruz appeals to the very far right of the party, but is not centrist enough to win over moderates.
I am tired of hearing about how this candidate isn't conservative enough or this candidate isn't strong enough on some issue. No candidate is going to be perfect or, somehow, align with each and every one of your political values.
We need a candidate that is conservative and can win in a general election.
Posted by: Mark Green at February 10, 2016 05:31 PM (kFsvS)
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76 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:26 PM (voOPb)
Don't you mean above his cheeks?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All Th
Well, there is that position to deal with.
Don't you mean above his cheeks?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All Th
Well, there is that position to deal with.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:31 PM (voOPb)
93
there must be a coup within the party
Posted by: ThunderB at February 10, 2016 05:32 PM (zOTsN)
94
And it's too late, baby now, it's too late,
Though we really did try to make it.
Somethin' inside has died, and I can't hide,
And I just can't fake it, oh, no, no.
Though we really did try to make it.
Somethin' inside has died, and I can't hide,
And I just can't fake it, oh, no, no.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 10, 2016 05:32 PM (8ZskC)
95
There. Nobody read this but I don't care. It's out there on the Internet.
Posted by: MaxMBJ
Don't be so tardy next time.
Posted by: MaxMBJ
Don't be so tardy next time.
Posted by: Yip at February 10, 2016 05:32 PM (e7T6D)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 10, 2016 05:32 PM (w4NZ8)
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Can anyone here point to a *precise*, *objective* meaning for "Establishment" that doesn't just boil down to "people I don't like"?
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 10, 2016 05:21 PM (lVU49)
Ok, I will:
The GOP Establishment tenets:
1. Globalism and "free trade" agreements at all costs, even when national sovereignty and security come into question.
2. A generous immigration policy, even when American identity comes into question and cultural fragmentation occurs.
3. Capitulation to leftist control of media, academic and cultural institutions.
4. A basic acceptance of the welfare state as founded in "Great Society" days.
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 10, 2016 05:21 PM (lVU49)
Ok, I will:
The GOP Establishment tenets:
1. Globalism and "free trade" agreements at all costs, even when national sovereignty and security come into question.
2. A generous immigration policy, even when American identity comes into question and cultural fragmentation occurs.
3. Capitulation to leftist control of media, academic and cultural institutions.
4. A basic acceptance of the welfare state as founded in "Great Society" days.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 10, 2016 05:33 PM (GsebS)
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When Republicans win, socialism advances.
When Democrats win, socialism advances.
That is the definition of establishment.
When Democrats win, socialism advances.
That is the definition of establishment.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 10, 2016 05:33 PM (0LHZx)
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Posted by: Non-Professional Political Expert at February 10, 2016
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Paragraphs and periods are your friends.
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Paragraphs and periods are your friends.
Posted by: Soona at February 10, 2016 05:34 PM (Fmupd)
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The Establishment will always exist. Smart districts will elect representatives that are anti-establishment, but they will be outnumbered by the career politicians that want to go along to get along in order to keep their jobs sucking on the public teat. Unfortunately, they have promised their constituents money from Washington so that they can suck on the public teat as well.
Until people in all districts wake up and see the light, the establishment is here to stay.
Until people in all districts wake up and see the light, the establishment is here to stay.
Posted by: Hank at February 10, 2016 05:34 PM (IFEDx)
101
...and that's when the fight started.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 10, 2016 05:34 PM (NeFrd)
102
It won't be the delegate count that will ruin Trump. It's the 8 state majority rule before being allowed to be brought up at the convention.
That's a rule they made to aid their establishment choice. (at the time, Jeb).
So far, NO ONE has gotten a majority which was the reason for all the candidates staying in for so long.
Watch and see. They're going to screw us again.
Remember, they're the establishment and they make the rules.
That's a rule they made to aid their establishment choice. (at the time, Jeb).
So far, NO ONE has gotten a majority which was the reason for all the candidates staying in for so long.
Watch and see. They're going to screw us again.
Remember, they're the establishment and they make the rules.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 10, 2016 05:34 PM (Xo1Rt)
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We need a candidate that is conservative and can win in a general election.
Posted by: Mark Green at February 10, 2016 05:31 PM (kFsvS)
Not to be snarky.
What's your definition of conservative?
Small, limited government? Or someone who agrees with you on most issues?
GW Bush was no small government guy. Neither is Rubio. I doubt Trump is as well. Kasich? Nope not him either.
We need a candidate that is conservative and can win in a general election.
Posted by: Mark Green at February 10, 2016 05:31 PM (kFsvS)
Not to be snarky.
What's your definition of conservative?
Small, limited government? Or someone who agrees with you on most issues?
GW Bush was no small government guy. Neither is Rubio. I doubt Trump is as well. Kasich? Nope not him either.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:34 PM (voOPb)
104
We need a candidate that is conservative and can win in a general election.
Posted by: Mark Green at February 10, 2016 05:31 PM (kFsvS)
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Yeah man we need someone like President Romney or President McCain. You know an electable conservative. Wonder what President Dole is doing these days, maybe he can help out as well.
Posted by: Mark Green at February 10, 2016 05:31 PM (kFsvS)
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Yeah man we need someone like President Romney or President McCain. You know an electable conservative. Wonder what President Dole is doing these days, maybe he can help out as well.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 10, 2016 05:34 PM (0LHZx)
105
With Sanders and Trump, Cruz, Carson leading in the primaries, any idiot can see that no one wants the establishment. Maybe we are headed to the Whig Party breakup? Or to something like Canada with their three party system.
I could see us with a Conservative Party, a Democrat-Republican establishment party, and a straight up honest socialist party.
We are already half way there with Trump/Cruz, JEB!/Hillary! Establishment, and Crazy Bernie. Imagine if they all agreed to divorce amicably?
I could see us with a Conservative Party, a Democrat-Republican establishment party, and a straight up honest socialist party.
We are already half way there with Trump/Cruz, JEB!/Hillary! Establishment, and Crazy Bernie. Imagine if they all agreed to divorce amicably?
Posted by: rd at February 10, 2016 05:35 PM (v0YLX)
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46 It would probably be a lot more easy to build alliances between the establishment and outsiders if we weren't constantly blaming each other for everything.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2016 05:18 PM (/tuJf)
But who is shitting upon whom?
When my primary guy or gal doesn't win, I will still support the less desired Republican in the general.
But when my primary guy or gal DOES win, the GOP establishment seems all too willing to cut him or her loose. See Tea Party candidates in 2010, 2012, 2014.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2016 05:18 PM (/tuJf)
But who is shitting upon whom?
When my primary guy or gal doesn't win, I will still support the less desired Republican in the general.
But when my primary guy or gal DOES win, the GOP establishment seems all too willing to cut him or her loose. See Tea Party candidates in 2010, 2012, 2014.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 10, 2016 05:35 PM (GsebS)
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I will repeat I point I made 20 times in 2014 and 2015: A political coalition is in fact a coalition. That means we agree, mutually, to advance each other's interests, and not actively thwart each other's interests.
Unfortunately, the Vichy GOP's interests are in direct opposition to mine. Thwarting their interests is my patriotic duty. They are treasonous weasel-turds.
That's why I left the GOP in 2013 after they re-elected that crybaby shitstain to another term as Barky's butt-boy running the House. That was the absolute last straw for me.
Unfortunately, the Vichy GOP's interests are in direct opposition to mine. Thwarting their interests is my patriotic duty. They are treasonous weasel-turds.
That's why I left the GOP in 2013 after they re-elected that crybaby shitstain to another term as Barky's butt-boy running the House. That was the absolute last straw for me.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 10, 2016 05:35 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: garrett at February 10, 2016 05:35 PM (NHG6e)
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The establishment desperately wants amnesty and open borders, which is toxic to much of the base, so there's not much room for a coalition.
It will also put the Dems in power permanently, but at least the Chamber of Commerce will have cheap labor for a few years.
Trump is the only candidate speaking forcefully against this travesty and that is why he is leading.
It will also put the Dems in power permanently, but at least the Chamber of Commerce will have cheap labor for a few years.
Trump is the only candidate speaking forcefully against this travesty and that is why he is leading.
Posted by: cool breeze at February 10, 2016 05:35 PM (ckvus)
110
Wonder what President Dole is doing these days, maybe he can help out as well.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo
Don't ask.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo
Don't ask.
Posted by: Elizabeth Dole with a headache at February 10, 2016 05:35 PM (zmW4B)
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>>>Ace... what's up with the strange new respect for David Frum? Is it time to start paying attention to him again?
i keep saying-- he's as anti-establishment as any of you, and he's very anti-amnesty.
Now, his version of anti-amnesty includes a greater acknowledgment of the need for a benevolent Sugar Daddy welfare system, but 1, that's not what he's emphasizing lately, and 2, the things he says with that i agree with I really agree with.
i keep saying-- he's as anti-establishment as any of you, and he's very anti-amnesty.
Now, his version of anti-amnesty includes a greater acknowledgment of the need for a benevolent Sugar Daddy welfare system, but 1, that's not what he's emphasizing lately, and 2, the things he says with that i agree with I really agree with.
Posted by: ace at February 10, 2016 05:36 PM (dciA+)
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Can anyone here point to a *precise*, *objective* meaning for
"Establishment" that doesn't just boil down to "people I don't like"?
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Any republican who thinks "bipartisanship" is a virtue.
Any republican who supports the internationalist, multicultural, open borders agenda of the chamber of commerce.
Any republican who takes part in those cheering press conference for legislation the dems want counts double.
Any republican who campaigns for a few montsh on what the voters direct him to do, and then goes to DC to do what it wants to do.
i.e. America's domestic enemies.
"Establishment" that doesn't just boil down to "people I don't like"?
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Any republican who thinks "bipartisanship" is a virtue.
Any republican who supports the internationalist, multicultural, open borders agenda of the chamber of commerce.
Any republican who takes part in those cheering press conference for legislation the dems want counts double.
Any republican who campaigns for a few montsh on what the voters direct him to do, and then goes to DC to do what it wants to do.
i.e. America's domestic enemies.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 10, 2016 05:36 PM (ZbV+0)
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Can anyone here point to a *precise*, *objective* meaning for "Establishment" that doesn't just boil down to "people I don't like"?
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 10, 2016 05:21 PM (lVU49)
Definition by example: the Mayor in the movie High Noon.
The Establishment are the people for whom title and position and perquisites of office are more important than governing. Their idea of an ideologue - a "wacko bird" - is someone who would actually risk not getting re-elected to fight for a law or policy that would be good for the country (and AGAINST policies and laws that would be destructive to the country). And they prioritize getting along with members on the other side over implementing policies and enacting laws that would provoke a serious reaction from the other side.
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 10, 2016 05:21 PM (lVU49)
Definition by example: the Mayor in the movie High Noon.
The Establishment are the people for whom title and position and perquisites of office are more important than governing. Their idea of an ideologue - a "wacko bird" - is someone who would actually risk not getting re-elected to fight for a law or policy that would be good for the country (and AGAINST policies and laws that would be destructive to the country). And they prioritize getting along with members on the other side over implementing policies and enacting laws that would provoke a serious reaction from the other side.
Posted by: stuiec at February 10, 2016 05:36 PM (eetvJ)
114
Trump or Cruz. Make them go batshit. Fuck both parties with a post hole auger wrapped in razor wire dipped in sulphuric acid.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 10, 2016 05:36 PM (89T5c)
115
But when my primary guy or gal DOES win, the GOP establishment seems all too willing to cut him or her loose. See Tea Party candidates in 2010, 2012, 2014.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 10, 2016 05:35 PM (GsebS
Lisa Murkowski, Thad Cochran.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 10, 2016 05:35 PM (GsebS
Lisa Murkowski, Thad Cochran.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:36 PM (voOPb)
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"Anybody who thinks Cruz has great memory because he has Aspergers is just clueless, "
It isn't just the memory. It's his cadence. It's the way he "looks over" people. It's the fact that people find something imperceptibly "off-putting" about him.
The memory is just a tell. But I honestly don't know how any ways I can possibly say that I don't mean this as a bad thing. It just explains some of his behavior.
It isn't just the memory. It's his cadence. It's the way he "looks over" people. It's the fact that people find something imperceptibly "off-putting" about him.
The memory is just a tell. But I honestly don't know how any ways I can possibly say that I don't mean this as a bad thing. It just explains some of his behavior.
Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 05:36 PM (3DIzJ)
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It won't be the delegate count that will ruin Trump. It's the 8 state majority rule before being allowed to be brought up at the convention.
That's a rule they made to aid their establishment choice. (at the time, Jeb).
So far, NO ONE has gotten a majority which was the reason for all the candidates staying in for so long.
Watch and see. They're going to screw us again.
Remember, they're the establishment and they make the rules.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
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Yes.. that definitely makes it harder as well.. but there are 10 winner take all states, and some more winner take most..
So, it is possible near the end when others have dropped out.
That's a rule they made to aid their establishment choice. (at the time, Jeb).
So far, NO ONE has gotten a majority which was the reason for all the candidates staying in for so long.
Watch and see. They're going to screw us again.
Remember, they're the establishment and they make the rules.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
...............
Yes.. that definitely makes it harder as well.. but there are 10 winner take all states, and some more winner take most..
So, it is possible near the end when others have dropped out.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 10, 2016 05:37 PM (so+oy)
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"It is too late for any negotiations this presidential cycle..."
It's beyond that. This Party has been sh*tt*ng on Constitutional conservatives for decades. Fairness would be the collective of donors and policy back-benchers to open their wallets and shut their mouths for about 100 years to let the country re-balance to its rightful status as a Republic of States.
It's beyond that. This Party has been sh*tt*ng on Constitutional conservatives for decades. Fairness would be the collective of donors and policy back-benchers to open their wallets and shut their mouths for about 100 years to let the country re-balance to its rightful status as a Republic of States.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 10, 2016 05:37 PM (1CroS)
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The budget, like every other budget Obama has submitted during his tenure, is dead.
That's about 19T$ too little.
That's about 19T$ too little.
Posted by: DaveA at February 10, 2016 05:37 PM (DL2i+)
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"kind of inclined to be an Establishment/corporate sort of guy. I'm not proud of that, but I am."
I have no such inclination. The whole go along get along with the power structure thing just doesn't do it for me, especially when the power structure is run by cronyists, assholes and/or imbeciles. Plus I may have just a wee bit of a problem with authority.
I have no such inclination. The whole go along get along with the power structure thing just doesn't do it for me, especially when the power structure is run by cronyists, assholes and/or imbeciles. Plus I may have just a wee bit of a problem with authority.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 10, 2016 05:37 PM (kpqmD)
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Can anyone here point to a *precise*, *objective* meaning for "Establishment" that doesn't just boil down to "people I don't like"?
Anyone in the Vichy GOP leadership and those who support them in any way.
It ain't difficult.
Anyone in the Vichy GOP leadership and those who support them in any way.
It ain't difficult.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 10, 2016 05:37 PM (zc3Db)
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"We need to radically change the order of the primaries."
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It is ridiculous that so many of us will never even have the chance to vote for certain candidates because they end up having to drop out after the first few primaries. Imagine if the general was more of a rolling election than it already is (thanks to early voting).
Why the hell can't they just do a national primary day?
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It is ridiculous that so many of us will never even have the chance to vote for certain candidates because they end up having to drop out after the first few primaries. Imagine if the general was more of a rolling election than it already is (thanks to early voting).
Why the hell can't they just do a national primary day?
Posted by: Kensington at February 10, 2016 05:37 PM (7Kbxu)
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This primary has been so weird, I'm starting to agree with Mr. Moo.
I need an oil change or something.
I need an oil change or something.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 10, 2016 05:38 PM (Xo1Rt)
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>>It's like pornography. You can't really define it, but you know when you see it.
Which is exactly what a certain president said when asked to define a conservative. That President was of course Ronald Reagan.
Which is exactly what a certain president said when asked to define a conservative. That President was of course Ronald Reagan.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2016 05:39 PM (/tuJf)
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Cruz clearly has Aspergers. I read it in another thread.
In a more serious note. He's an accomplished litigator.... and he fits the stereotype to a T. No one likes to hang at the bar with a successful lawyer... except other successful lawyers.
He has to be coached not to come across as smarmy... and normal folks may not be able to put their finger on what exactly doesn't come across right, but they have to actively suppress that their spidey- senses ... how normal folk judge one another. God made dorks awkward so they don't go hang out in public. Heh.
In a more serious note. He's an accomplished litigator.... and he fits the stereotype to a T. No one likes to hang at the bar with a successful lawyer... except other successful lawyers.
He has to be coached not to come across as smarmy... and normal folks may not be able to put their finger on what exactly doesn't come across right, but they have to actively suppress that their spidey- senses ... how normal folk judge one another. God made dorks awkward so they don't go hang out in public. Heh.
Posted by: Yip at February 10, 2016 05:39 PM (e7T6D)
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And, as others have said, in the end, you don't get any of what you want.
You get Trump.
Who will lose to Hillary.
Let it burn? Okay. But you expect there to be anything left?
You get Trump.
Who will lose to Hillary.
Let it burn? Okay. But you expect there to be anything left?
Posted by: Leo Spaceman at February 10, 2016 05:39 PM (UkmNA)
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What the hell has gotten in to Andrea Tantaros? She's hot, but the SJW whining is unbecoming. I'd still hit it of course.
Posted by: Benji Carver at February 10, 2016 05:24 PM (OD2ni)
Again I say, she's one of the lucky few. She can say whatever she wants.
Posted by: Benji Carver at February 10, 2016 05:24 PM (OD2ni)
Again I say, she's one of the lucky few. She can say whatever she wants.
Posted by: Blano at February 10, 2016 05:39 PM (sdPF/)
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That song has been stuck in my head this whole election cycle. We're NOT gonna take it anymore!
Posted by: pookysgirl at February 10, 2016 05:39 PM (K27gs)
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The funny thing is, even though the GOP is led by people who could easily be Democrats and nobody would notice, simply going by the MSM you'd think Paul Ryan and Mitch The Bitch were the love children of Goldwater and Reagan.
It's this weird fucking disconnect that fascinates me. The GOP governs like socialists yet ask the common man on the street what does the GOP stand for and they'll say shit like small govt or low taxes or tough foreign policy.
It's this weird fucking disconnect that fascinates me. The GOP governs like socialists yet ask the common man on the street what does the GOP stand for and they'll say shit like small govt or low taxes or tough foreign policy.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 10, 2016 05:39 PM (0LHZx)
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Plus I may have just a wee bit of a problem with authority.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 10, 2016 05:37 PM (kpqmD)
No shit.
Posted by: Insomniac's Parents
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Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 10, 2016 05:37 PM (kpqmD)
No shit.
Posted by: Insomniac's Parents
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Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:39 PM (voOPb)
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You guys mention porn like it's the same as Jap Anime Moron-fap porn or something..
Posted by: Yip at February 10, 2016 05:40 PM (e7T6D)
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Another asshole telling us what to do for our own good.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 05:40 PM (DUoqb)
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The thing that I find exasperating is that after decades of telling the base "Fuck you, assholes", the Establishment has the unmitigated gall to whine like little fucking girls when the base turns and says "No, no. Fuck YOU, asshole".
I guess it never occurred to the Establishment that insulting the base and calling them names wouldn't be as attractive as they thought it would be.
The thing that I find exasperating is that after decades of telling the base "Fuck you, assholes", the Establishment has the unmitigated gall to whine like little fucking girls when the base turns and says "No, no. Fuck YOU, asshole".
I guess it never occurred to the Establishment that insulting the base and calling them names wouldn't be as attractive as they thought it would be.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 10, 2016 05:41 PM (o98Jz)
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132 Another asshole telling us what to do for our own good.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 05:40 PM (DUoqb)
4 out of 5 dentists say so
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 05:40 PM (DUoqb)
4 out of 5 dentists say so
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:41 PM (voOPb)
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Can anyone here point to a *precise*, *objective* meaning for "Establishment" that doesn't just boil down to "people I don't like"?
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Anyone in the Vichy GOP leadership and those who support them in any way.
The thing is that the establishment isn't something that needs a precise definition. It just needs an accurate one.
Those who consistently surrender and lose to the Democrats on the things they are supposed to be fighting for.
Limited government. Protecting the unborn. Protecting the country from illegal aliens.
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Anyone in the Vichy GOP leadership and those who support them in any way.
The thing is that the establishment isn't something that needs a precise definition. It just needs an accurate one.
Those who consistently surrender and lose to the Democrats on the things they are supposed to be fighting for.
Limited government. Protecting the unborn. Protecting the country from illegal aliens.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 10, 2016 05:41 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: garrett at February 10, 2016 05:41 PM (NHG6e)
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Plus I may have just a wee bit of a problem with authority.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 10, 2016 05:37 PM (kpqmD)
You're all wee wee'd up!
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 10, 2016 05:37 PM (kpqmD)
You're all wee wee'd up!
Posted by: King Admiral Emperor Barky at February 10, 2016 05:41 PM (zc3Db)
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There will never be a national primary day.
The state party heads won't allow it because that's the only real power over the National heads they have. That and redistricting.
Which btw they screwed us here in PA with.
I'm now in some liberal Republicans district that's 60 miles away. It's hilarious there's this little corridor about 100 feet wide and 60 miles long reaching out to a totally conservative area in another county. (I think it goes through 2 other counties).
Yeah. That guy's paying attention to me alright.
The state party heads won't allow it because that's the only real power over the National heads they have. That and redistricting.
Which btw they screwed us here in PA with.
I'm now in some liberal Republicans district that's 60 miles away. It's hilarious there's this little corridor about 100 feet wide and 60 miles long reaching out to a totally conservative area in another county. (I think it goes through 2 other counties).
Yeah. That guy's paying attention to me alright.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 10, 2016 05:42 PM (Xo1Rt)
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The establishment desperately wants amnesty and open borders, which is toxic to much of the base, so there's not much room for a coalition.
Posted by: cool breeze at February 10, 2016 05:35 PM (ckvus)
I don't think the GOP Establishment wants amnesty. Open borders, maybe, or a bracero program to bring in cheap labor, but not amnesty.
But what the GOP Establishment REALL doesn't want is to fight to prevent amnesty, because that would be hard and stuff. Plus the Hispanic vote (because Hispanics have always looked up to mushiness and timidity as virtues, I guess).
Posted by: cool breeze at February 10, 2016 05:35 PM (ckvus)
I don't think the GOP Establishment wants amnesty. Open borders, maybe, or a bracero program to bring in cheap labor, but not amnesty.
But what the GOP Establishment REALL doesn't want is to fight to prevent amnesty, because that would be hard and stuff. Plus the Hispanic vote (because Hispanics have always looked up to mushiness and timidity as virtues, I guess).
Posted by: stuiec at February 10, 2016 05:42 PM (eetvJ)
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Do people with Asperger's go before the supreme court? Just seems like it would be a profession someone with that condition would shy away from. If you hate interacting with people, wouldn't lawyer be at the bottom of your career list?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 10, 2016 05:42 PM (0LHZx)
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Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 10, 2016 05:39 PM (voOPb)
You don't know the half of it.
You don't know the half of it.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 10, 2016 05:42 PM (kpqmD)
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It's this weird fucking disconnect that fascinates me. The GOP governs like socialists yet ask the common man on the street what does the GOP stand for and they'll say shit like small govt or low taxes or tough foreign policy.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo
And there are LIVs out there (lots of them) who are convinced that the country is shifting drastically to the right.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo
And there are LIVs out there (lots of them) who are convinced that the country is shifting drastically to the right.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at February 10, 2016 05:42 PM (zmW4B)
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Why the hell can't they just do a national primary day?
Posted by: Kensington at February 10, 2016 05:37 PM (7Kbxu)
Cause reasons that's why.... hey look! A distraction.
Posted by: Kensington at February 10, 2016 05:37 PM (7Kbxu)
Cause reasons that's why.... hey look! A distraction.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 10, 2016 05:42 PM (OrI3J)
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nothing is wrong with Tantaros
she is telling GOPe they are fucking up and should embrace Trump and Cruz
and Charles Cooke told her she should quit her job and give it to someone competent
so she wrote the GOP has a woman problem. Trump got the majority of women voters.
GOPe is stupid and so is Charles Cooke in this instance
she is telling GOPe they are fucking up and should embrace Trump and Cruz
and Charles Cooke told her she should quit her job and give it to someone competent
so she wrote the GOP has a woman problem. Trump got the majority of women voters.
GOPe is stupid and so is Charles Cooke in this instance
Posted by: ThunderB at February 10, 2016 05:42 PM (zOTsN)
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You guys mention porn like it's the same as Jap Anime Moron-fap porn or something..
Posted by: Yip at February 10, 2016 05:40 PM (e7T6D)
WITH TENTACLES!
Posted by: Yip at February 10, 2016 05:40 PM (e7T6D)
WITH TENTACLES!
Posted by: stuiec at February 10, 2016 05:43 PM (eetvJ)
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>>Why the hell can't they just do a national primary day?
The Dems can only raise the dead once every 4 years. Be shame to have to waste that on a primary.
The Dems can only raise the dead once every 4 years. Be shame to have to waste that on a primary.
Posted by: garrett at February 10, 2016 05:43 PM (NHG6e)
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On a side note, that Dee Snider sure had an impressive codpiece.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 10, 2016 05:43 PM (OrI3J)
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Sounds like a new bar drink. Exercise, come up with a recipe for Armageddon for the Establishment that you would order in a bar to help enjoy the tears of immeasurable sadness from the GOPe.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 10, 2016 05:43 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 10, 2016 05:44 PM (FkBIv)
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fuck em. If they're going to force a country to import millions of replacement voters, there's gonna be a backlash and don't give a fuck to defend em.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at February 10, 2016 05:44 PM (EjBTO)
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I don't think the GOP Establishment wants amnesty. Open borders, maybe, or a bracero program to bring in cheap labor, but not amnesty.
The labor is cheaper if they're illegal.
The labor is cheaper if they're illegal.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 10, 2016 05:44 PM (uURQL)
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So...any party people or pundits saying they.d rather vote for Hillary than Cruz or Clinton today?
Posted by: lizzy at February 10, 2016 05:44 PM (sA5d9)
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JackStraw, the only reason amnesty was not passed was because the day before (I'm pretty sure but at least the week of) the vote in the House on amnesty Cantor got KO'd and fencesitters cried to the leadership to cancel the vote because they knew they would lose their sits.
Posted by: GOPe Hater at February 10, 2016 05:44 PM (8EJen)
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Plus I may have just a wee bit of a problem with authority.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 10, 2016 05:37 PM (kpqmD)
And I will bet it has gotten worse in the last 20 years. I think it explains the seething anger that I see amongst formerly happy-to-coexist people.
I have morphed from a Law-And-Order Republican to my current attitude, which can be summed up as:
"Fvck you. No. I will not. Who are you to tell me what to do? You are a liar."
Or something like that.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 10, 2016 05:37 PM (kpqmD)
And I will bet it has gotten worse in the last 20 years. I think it explains the seething anger that I see amongst formerly happy-to-coexist people.
I have morphed from a Law-And-Order Republican to my current attitude, which can be summed up as:
"Fvck you. No. I will not. Who are you to tell me what to do? You are a liar."
Or something like that.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:44 PM (Zu3d9)
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"If you hate interacting with people, wouldn't lawyer be at the bottom of your career list?"
Nah. Debating a point to death is basically my son's (and my husband's) favorite pass time.
Nah. Debating a point to death is basically my son's (and my husband's) favorite pass time.
Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 05:44 PM (0C2f1)
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Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 10, 2016 05:42 PM (kpqmD)
Good to "see" you, Insomniac.
Good to "see" you, Insomniac.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 10, 2016 05:45 PM (w4NZ8)
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It's entirely possible GOP establishment was captured by liberals anyway, may as well fire them all.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at February 10, 2016 05:45 PM (EjBTO)
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Do people with Asperger's go before the supreme
court? Just seems like it would be a profession someone with that
condition would shy away from. If you hate interacting with people,
wouldn't lawyer be at the bottom of your career list?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 10, 2016 05:42 PM (0LHZx)
And wouldn't pissing off judges and losing cases left and right be your lot in life if you did choose that profession and had Asperger's?
court? Just seems like it would be a profession someone with that
condition would shy away from. If you hate interacting with people,
wouldn't lawyer be at the bottom of your career list?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 10, 2016 05:42 PM (0LHZx)
And wouldn't pissing off judges and losing cases left and right be your lot in life if you did choose that profession and had Asperger's?
Posted by: redbanzai at February 10, 2016 05:45 PM (OrI3J)
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To a certain extent the GOPe has a much harder time than the Dems.
By and large, most people came to the GOP and conservatism via thought.
Esp. since the 60's, anyone who's a conservative has to think their way through a veritable jungle of leftist dominated culture and education.
By the time, we have arrived at conservative thought we are not only mentally tough but socially tough as well.
We actually believe what we believe and thus aren't swayed by "Yay! Team Elephant" so much.
Yeah, we might get caught up in winning an election for some limp dicks (Helloooo Romney and McCain!) because the Dim choice is so awful -
but sooner or later you need to give us exactly what we want.
So, it's not as Fun for GOP politicians as it is for Dems.
Dems can spew any kind of nonsense that sounds good to their low-info, low-IQ, toddler tantrum emotionally unstable voters and as long as they throw a few crumbs to them.
They can loot the nation stupid with their corruption.
The Rove Revolution came about because he convinced the GOP that their voters were idiots just like the Dim voters were.
They could barf out a bunch of stuff no one believed then do what they wanted once in office.
See Blue Dogs and any Dem running to the right on a particular issue.
Only, see.....we do believe that stuff and we want it enacted.
The mere fact that they're trying to push massive, nation-changing illegal immigration during a horrible economy with millions of the middle class out of work.
Just shows you how little they value you as a human being and your life and your dreams.
Fuck these people. They should all be tarred and feathered and airdropped into Saudi Arabia...figuratively, of course!
By and large, most people came to the GOP and conservatism via thought.
Esp. since the 60's, anyone who's a conservative has to think their way through a veritable jungle of leftist dominated culture and education.
By the time, we have arrived at conservative thought we are not only mentally tough but socially tough as well.
We actually believe what we believe and thus aren't swayed by "Yay! Team Elephant" so much.
Yeah, we might get caught up in winning an election for some limp dicks (Helloooo Romney and McCain!) because the Dim choice is so awful -
but sooner or later you need to give us exactly what we want.
So, it's not as Fun for GOP politicians as it is for Dems.
Dems can spew any kind of nonsense that sounds good to their low-info, low-IQ, toddler tantrum emotionally unstable voters and as long as they throw a few crumbs to them.
They can loot the nation stupid with their corruption.
The Rove Revolution came about because he convinced the GOP that their voters were idiots just like the Dim voters were.
They could barf out a bunch of stuff no one believed then do what they wanted once in office.
See Blue Dogs and any Dem running to the right on a particular issue.
Only, see.....we do believe that stuff and we want it enacted.
The mere fact that they're trying to push massive, nation-changing illegal immigration during a horrible economy with millions of the middle class out of work.
Just shows you how little they value you as a human being and your life and your dreams.
Fuck these people. They should all be tarred and feathered and airdropped into Saudi Arabia...figuratively, of course!
Posted by: naturalfake at February 10, 2016 05:45 PM (0cMkb)
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68 We need to radically change the order of the primaries. There is no reason why blue State hells should go first.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (t2KH5)
And let's have every damn primary on the same damn day. Stretching the process out for 5 months has always been BS.
Also, no more open primaries. Let Democrats vote for Democrats and Republicans vote for Republicans. If you want to be "independent", then tough titties, you don't get to vote.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (t2KH5)
And let's have every damn primary on the same damn day. Stretching the process out for 5 months has always been BS.
Also, no more open primaries. Let Democrats vote for Democrats and Republicans vote for Republicans. If you want to be "independent", then tough titties, you don't get to vote.
Posted by: OregonMuse at February 10, 2016 05:45 PM (maOV6)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 10, 2016 05:45 PM (kpqmD)
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>>nothing is wrong with Tantaros
Tantraros was spokesperson for Gov. William Weld of MA, the prototypical RNC insider and also worked for the RNC. She's not exactly a raging conservative.
Tantraros was spokesperson for Gov. William Weld of MA, the prototypical RNC insider and also worked for the RNC. She's not exactly a raging conservative.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2016 05:46 PM (/tuJf)
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Nah. Debating a point to death is basically my son's (and my husband's) favorite pass time.
The horse twitched. Time to beat it some more.
The horse twitched. Time to beat it some more.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 10, 2016 05:46 PM (uURQL)
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Remember when all we needed was the Latinos?
You'd think a candidate named Cruz would help with that shit?
You'd think a candidate named Cruz would help with that shit?
Posted by: garrett at February 10, 2016 05:46 PM (NHG6e)
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I have morphed from a Law-And-Order Republican to my current attitude, which can be summed up as:
"Fvck you. No. I will not. Who are you to tell me what to do? You are a liar."
Or something like that.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:44 PM (Zu3d9)
You've been hanging around me to long....by the way turned in my age waiver today. Thank our wife for me.
"Fvck you. No. I will not. Who are you to tell me what to do? You are a liar."
Or something like that.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:44 PM (Zu3d9)
You've been hanging around me to long....by the way turned in my age waiver today. Thank our wife for me.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 05:46 PM (DUoqb)
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Well, here's a perfect example for the establishment. I truly believe Rubio would be the front runner right now. But on something as big as amnesty, not only did Rubio piss on our leg, he told us it was just raining, he decided to double down on the stupid by lying about it. Game set match. I am not a purist. I don't expect the establishment to give in to every demand. I do expect them not to actively work against us. Now the establishment can feel how many of has felt. Abandoned.
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 10, 2016 05:47 PM (btH0m)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 10, 2016 05:47 PM (kdS6q)
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I have morphed from a Law-And-Order Republican to my current attitude, which can be summed up as:
"Fvck you. No. I will not. Who are you to tell me what to do? You are a liar."
Now. Move to Texas and your transformation is complete!
"Fvck you. No. I will not. Who are you to tell me what to do? You are a liar."
Now. Move to Texas and your transformation is complete!
Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2016 05:47 PM (Y42RP)
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164...but is he a wise Latino?
Posted by: a wise latina at February 10, 2016 05:48 PM (INxoa)
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Why the hell can't they just do a national primary day?
Posted by: Kensington at February 10, 2016 05:37 PM (7Kbxu)
That will destroy the 2nd tier, non-establishment candidates who can't afford a 50 state campaign.
How about just basing the timing on which state voted most Republican?
Most Republican goes first....least Republican goes last.
Simple.
Posted by: Kensington at February 10, 2016 05:37 PM (7Kbxu)
That will destroy the 2nd tier, non-establishment candidates who can't afford a 50 state campaign.
How about just basing the timing on which state voted most Republican?
Most Republican goes first....least Republican goes last.
Simple.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:48 PM (Zu3d9)
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Tantraros was spokesperson for Gov. William Weld of MA, the prototypical RNC insider and also worked for the RNC. She's not exactly a raging conservative.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2016 05:46 PM (/tuJf)
and now she is promoting Trump and Cruz because the GOP is broken
who should he conservative choice be? Becuase sh is not being attacked for Wm Weld, but she is being attacked for Cruz and Trump. Funny that
GOP does not equal conservative
Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2016 05:46 PM (/tuJf)
and now she is promoting Trump and Cruz because the GOP is broken
who should he conservative choice be? Becuase sh is not being attacked for Wm Weld, but she is being attacked for Cruz and Trump. Funny that
GOP does not equal conservative
Posted by: ThunderB at February 10, 2016 05:48 PM (zOTsN)
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Rush made a good point today. He said Trump won in EVERY demographic in NH because he is stating the dissatisfaction everyone is feeling for politicians. If the GOPe had even done ANYTHING they had promised the last seven years, they could have had the big tent they say they always want. But they would rather pander and agree with the Democrats than be in the same party as the Tea Party goobers.
So a pox on the establishment. Too late now.
So a pox on the establishment. Too late now.
Posted by: Abby Normal at February 10, 2016 05:48 PM (5VZqJ)
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Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:44 PM (Zu3d9)
You're right, it has gotten worse over the last 20 years. For me it really picked up the pace over the last five or so.
You're right, it has gotten worse over the last 20 years. For me it really picked up the pace over the last five or so.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 10, 2016 05:48 PM (kpqmD)
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A discussion of Rule 40, the GOP 8 state majority requirement:
http://tinyurl.com/jzfk7sa
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 10, 2016 05:47 PM (kdS6q)
Is that the rule that Willard pushed through?
http://tinyurl.com/jzfk7sa
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 10, 2016 05:47 PM (kdS6q)
Is that the rule that Willard pushed through?
Posted by: redbanzai at February 10, 2016 05:48 PM (OrI3J)
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Thank our wife for me.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 05:46 PM (DUoqb)
Excuse me?
Heh...I will....and good luck.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 05:46 PM (DUoqb)
Excuse me?
Heh...I will....and good luck.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:49 PM (Zu3d9)
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Let it burn? Okay. But you expect there to be anything left?
Posted by: Leo Spaceman at February 10, 2016 05:39 PM (UkmNA)
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Not much, A remnant, perhaps.
Posted by: Leo Spaceman at February 10, 2016 05:39 PM (UkmNA)
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Not much, A remnant, perhaps.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 05:49 PM (dFi94)
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The Establishment wishes it had the same voter base as the Democrats--monumentally ignorant (and proud of it) and totally willing to do whatever the television tells them to do.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 10, 2016 05:49 PM (B8JRQ)
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We need a candidate that is conservative and can win in a general election.
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One could assemble such a creature by picking and choosing characteristics from each of the candidates. Sadly, we can not do so.
I'm afraid that none are electable, given the state of societal/political decay. Elections have become popularity contests, without much regard for the character or experience of the candidates.
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One could assemble such a creature by picking and choosing characteristics from each of the candidates. Sadly, we can not do so.
I'm afraid that none are electable, given the state of societal/political decay. Elections have become popularity contests, without much regard for the character or experience of the candidates.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2016 05:49 PM (oFSUK)
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If Trump/Cruz gets elected the tension will be with a Republican-controlled Congress with GOP Establishment leaders. Trump/Cruz can get a lot done and quickly with key agency appointments and by rescinding Obama executive orders and policies.
Then the fight will shift to the budget, where GOPe types will resist reform because they're paid to keep the pig troughs open. Ryan might be an ally, at least at times. The real fight may be with McConnell including by his using the excuse that he'd love to do the right thing but the filibuster is in the way.
Then the fight will shift to the budget, where GOPe types will resist reform because they're paid to keep the pig troughs open. Ryan might be an ally, at least at times. The real fight may be with McConnell including by his using the excuse that he'd love to do the right thing but the filibuster is in the way.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 10, 2016 05:49 PM (r1fLd)
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"I do not hate everything about the Establishment."
I do, Ace.
And if I may use your reasoning... NOTHING the GOP has done demonstrates even a scintilla of willingness to cooperate to advance my interests, and in fact, EVERYTHING the GOP has done has been to actively thwart my interests.
Fuck the GOP and the GOPe in particular.
I do, Ace.
And if I may use your reasoning... NOTHING the GOP has done demonstrates even a scintilla of willingness to cooperate to advance my interests, and in fact, EVERYTHING the GOP has done has been to actively thwart my interests.
Fuck the GOP and the GOPe in particular.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 10, 2016 05:49 PM (i0ykY)
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>>JackStraw, the only reason amnesty was not passed was because the day before (I'm pretty sure but at least the week of) the vote in the House on amnesty Cantor got KO'd and fencesitters cried to the leadership to cancel the vote because they knew they would lose their sits.
And that's exactly how it's supposed to work. Elected representative often have to be reminded of what direction we want them to go. That will always be true.
And that's exactly how it's supposed to work. Elected representative often have to be reminded of what direction we want them to go. That will always be true.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2016 05:50 PM (/tuJf)
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I can't have anything to do with this party anymore. They really are so stupid. They live in a bubble and have been talked into this ridiculous idea by consultants that the key to winning is by converting uneducated Hispanics who are fleeing socialist shithole countries and coming here primarily for welfare to vote Republican.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 10, 2016 05:50 PM (2x3L+)
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Y'all need to read a comment exchange over at The Right Scoop, which relates to this topic, on the Chris Christie dropping out post:
http://tinyurl.com/gqed7va
Start with Nukeman60. (It's near the top of comments on the article), then read the stuff by The Tedinator and Vornak.
In short, the RNC has gamed the current nominating rules to make it nearly impossible for anyone but their anointed one to win the nomination.
http://tinyurl.com/gqed7va
Start with Nukeman60. (It's near the top of comments on the article), then read the stuff by The Tedinator and Vornak.
In short, the RNC has gamed the current nominating rules to make it nearly impossible for anyone but their anointed one to win the nomination.
Posted by: elaine at February 10, 2016 05:50 PM (Y0Piu)
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75 Ace,
I read this post and I think..."Yes, yes Ace, I know all of this. It's obvious."
But then I realize once again that the mandarins inside the beltway do not know any of it, or choose willfully to ignore it. And that has worked for them for a very long time.
They are successful, wealthy, powerful....and about to get fvcked by people like you and me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:28 PM (Zu3d9)
There is an article in the Washington Examiner by Byron York (I think it's linked in the sidebar) where he interviews Sununu and other Establishment politicos who want us all to be slaves and says he cannot name a single Trump supporter and thought that MAYBE one person he knew supported Trump in the area he lives in. Anyway I guess someone saw or heard the question/interview and replied to the reporter that he was that person who lived in Sununu's neighbourhood and he also said that Sununu has more than a couple Trump supporters living around him. Willful ignorance - if they can't see/hear you then you don't exist Trump voters. That is the kind of stupidity and blissful isolation of Establishment-types.
I read this post and I think..."Yes, yes Ace, I know all of this. It's obvious."
But then I realize once again that the mandarins inside the beltway do not know any of it, or choose willfully to ignore it. And that has worked for them for a very long time.
They are successful, wealthy, powerful....and about to get fvcked by people like you and me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:28 PM (Zu3d9)
There is an article in the Washington Examiner by Byron York (I think it's linked in the sidebar) where he interviews Sununu and other Establishment politicos who want us all to be slaves and says he cannot name a single Trump supporter and thought that MAYBE one person he knew supported Trump in the area he lives in. Anyway I guess someone saw or heard the question/interview and replied to the reporter that he was that person who lived in Sununu's neighbourhood and he also said that Sununu has more than a couple Trump supporters living around him. Willful ignorance - if they can't see/hear you then you don't exist Trump voters. That is the kind of stupidity and blissful isolation of Establishment-types.
Posted by: GOPe Hater at February 10, 2016 05:50 PM (8EJen)
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Excuse me?
Heh...I will....and good luck.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:49 PM (Zu3d9)
"Your" wife...fuck I can't spell or type....I changed one word after I read it over.
Heh...I will....and good luck.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:49 PM (Zu3d9)
"Your" wife...fuck I can't spell or type....I changed one word after I read it over.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 05:50 PM (DUoqb)
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165 I have morphed from a Law-And-Order Republican to my current attitude, which can be summed up as:
"Fvck you. No. I will not. Who are you to tell me what to do? You are a liar."
Or something like that.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:44 PM (Zu3d9)
You've been hanging around me to long....by the way turned in my age waiver today. Thank our wife for me.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 05:46 PM (DUoqb)
You have a polyandric marriage?
"Fvck you. No. I will not. Who are you to tell me what to do? You are a liar."
Or something like that.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:44 PM (Zu3d9)
You've been hanging around me to long....by the way turned in my age waiver today. Thank our wife for me.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 05:46 PM (DUoqb)
You have a polyandric marriage?
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 10, 2016 05:50 PM (kpqmD)
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The Two Parties who make up the establishment, currently only represent 55% of the Electorate (24% Repubs, 29% Dems)...
Yet hold ALL the Power.
Why? Three reasons.... They have given themselves Legal Advantages... They have the sycophants in media.... and inertia...
Now we may very well have a situation where a club which only comprises 24%... less the 1/4 of people... will hold ALL the reigns of Power... both Houses of Congress, the Presidency.... AND potentially the Supreme Court.
Now.... add in the fact that even many of that 24% is Angry at those in Power???? and the situation is unsustainable...
BUT, those in power will not give it up willingly... as we saw when REPUBLICANS called for TEA Party groups to be investigated by the IRS...
We are being given a false choice... being told it must be one group in power, or the other....
But people are saying 'we choose differently'...
Yet hold ALL the Power.
Why? Three reasons.... They have given themselves Legal Advantages... They have the sycophants in media.... and inertia...
Now we may very well have a situation where a club which only comprises 24%... less the 1/4 of people... will hold ALL the reigns of Power... both Houses of Congress, the Presidency.... AND potentially the Supreme Court.
Now.... add in the fact that even many of that 24% is Angry at those in Power???? and the situation is unsustainable...
BUT, those in power will not give it up willingly... as we saw when REPUBLICANS called for TEA Party groups to be investigated by the IRS...
We are being given a false choice... being told it must be one group in power, or the other....
But people are saying 'we choose differently'...
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 10, 2016 05:50 PM (f7rv6)
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Yeah, I used to be sympathetic to the Establishment. I was even good with the GOP.
Not any more.
There is only one party; the GOP has sold out America 110%. The current president is a traitor. Yet everyone is OK with it.
Trump/SMOD is my preferred ticket.
Not any more.
There is only one party; the GOP has sold out America 110%. The current president is a traitor. Yet everyone is OK with it.
Trump/SMOD is my preferred ticket.
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at February 10, 2016 05:50 PM (7FH+T)
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>>>nothing is wrong with Tantaros
she is telling GOPe they are fucking up and should embrace Trump and Cruz
and Charles Cooke told her she should quit her job and give it to someone competent
so she wrote the GOP has a woman problem. Trump got the majority of women voters.
GOPe is stupid and so is Charles Cooke in this instance
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actually Cooke said "then you should give up your job" when Tarantos said "What has 'conservatism' gotten us?" He was making the point (wrong-footed, I think) that if she has been a conservative activist, and conservatism has really delivered nothing, then she herself has failed, and ought to acknowledge that.
it had nothing to do with being a woman. Nothing.
she is telling GOPe they are fucking up and should embrace Trump and Cruz
and Charles Cooke told her she should quit her job and give it to someone competent
so she wrote the GOP has a woman problem. Trump got the majority of women voters.
GOPe is stupid and so is Charles Cooke in this instance
...
actually Cooke said "then you should give up your job" when Tarantos said "What has 'conservatism' gotten us?" He was making the point (wrong-footed, I think) that if she has been a conservative activist, and conservatism has really delivered nothing, then she herself has failed, and ought to acknowledge that.
it had nothing to do with being a woman. Nothing.
Posted by: ace at February 10, 2016 05:50 PM (dciA+)
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And for people who would say "well clearly you don't know autism because if you son acts like Cruz he's not autistic..."
My son didn't say a word until he was 2.5. Then he exclusively spoke by repeating, verbatim, things he heard on TV. He eventually learned to put these scripted fragments into what simulated a conversation. I'm not entirely sure that's not what he's still doing 7 years later.
He's fixation was dinosaurs for a long time, so he can tell you literally anything about them. Probably more than most paleontologists, and that's not an exaggeration. So the fact that Cruz memorized the constitution isn't the least bit shocking.
If I frown slightly, my oldest is the first to ask what's wrong and correctly identify the source of my frustration/sadness ect.
Yet if you're with him for 5 minutes, you understand that something is off, even if he's not doing or saying anything out of the ordinary. Cruz has the same tells.
My son didn't say a word until he was 2.5. Then he exclusively spoke by repeating, verbatim, things he heard on TV. He eventually learned to put these scripted fragments into what simulated a conversation. I'm not entirely sure that's not what he's still doing 7 years later.
He's fixation was dinosaurs for a long time, so he can tell you literally anything about them. Probably more than most paleontologists, and that's not an exaggeration. So the fact that Cruz memorized the constitution isn't the least bit shocking.
If I frown slightly, my oldest is the first to ask what's wrong and correctly identify the source of my frustration/sadness ect.
Yet if you're with him for 5 minutes, you understand that something is off, even if he's not doing or saying anything out of the ordinary. Cruz has the same tells.
Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 05:50 PM (0C2f1)
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Rush made a good point today. He said Trump won in EVERY demographic in NH because he is stating the dissatisfaction everyone is feeling for politicians. If the GOPe had even done ANYTHING they had promised the last seven years, they could have had the big tent they say they always want. But they would rather pander and agree with the Democrats than be in the same party as the Tea Party goobers.
So a pox on the establishment. Too late now.
Posted by: Abby Normal at February 10, 2016 05:48 PM
.............Yep, very true, I actually am enjoying watching them squirm.
So a pox on the establishment. Too late now.
Posted by: Abby Normal at February 10, 2016 05:48 PM
.............Yep, very true, I actually am enjoying watching them squirm.
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 10, 2016 05:51 PM (btH0m)
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I had an idea for a national primary system once. Two states a week, in the order that they were admitted into the Union, unfolding over 25 weeks. 26 weeks if you count territories voting for President. Which would make Pennsylvania the one primary that would separate the men/women from the boys/girls running.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 10, 2016 05:51 PM (GsebS)
Posted by: garrett at February 10, 2016 05:51 PM (NHG6e)
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these same people screaming about party purity with regard to Trump were perfectly content with McCain and Dole and Bush and all the rest
excuse me while I get my faiting couch
these same people screaming about party purity with regard to Trump were perfectly content with McCain and Dole and Bush and all the rest
excuse me while I get my faiting couch
Posted by: ThunderB at February 10, 2016 05:51 PM (zOTsN)
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Vote from the rooftops!
Vote from the rooftops!
Posted by: Moron Delux at February 10, 2016 05:51 PM (ZYlYG)
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How about just basing the timing on which state voted most Republican?
Most Republican goes first....least Republican goes last.
Simple.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:48 PM (Zu3d9)
How about the home states of the primary candidates all go first on the same day? Then we can find out which of the candidates can't even win at home.
Most Republican goes first....least Republican goes last.
Simple.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:48 PM (Zu3d9)
How about the home states of the primary candidates all go first on the same day? Then we can find out which of the candidates can't even win at home.
Posted by: stuiec at February 10, 2016 05:51 PM (eetvJ)
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I'm installing Windows 10 on my Dell...already regretting it
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 05:51 PM (DUoqb)
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Move to Texas and your transformation is complete!
Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2016 05:47 PM (Y42RP)
In a heartbeat.
With what I would save in property and income taxes I could buy every single gun my heart desires. And the land to shoot them on.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2016 05:47 PM (Y42RP)
In a heartbeat.
With what I would save in property and income taxes I could buy every single gun my heart desires. And the land to shoot them on.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:51 PM (Zu3d9)
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>>and now she is promoting Trump and Cruz because the GOP is broken
Actually, she was bitching that conservatism has accomplished a thing in 15 years. That's what the fight was about.
Actually, she was bitching that conservatism has accomplished a thing in 15 years. That's what the fight was about.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2016 05:52 PM (/tuJf)
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Tantraros was spokesperson for Gov. William Weld of MA, the prototypical RNC insider and also worked for the RNC. She's not exactly a raging conservative.
Posted by: JackStraw
It doesn't take a Mdm defarge to notice the crowd in front of you holds an uncomfortable number of pitchforks.
Posted by: JackStraw
It doesn't take a Mdm defarge to notice the crowd in front of you holds an uncomfortable number of pitchforks.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 10, 2016 05:52 PM (wCF3s)
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medved hates trump and cruz.....with a venomous passion
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 10, 2016 05:52 PM (0O7c5)
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Also... I think that "Hair of the Dog" represents my position more clearly than "We're not Gonna Take It." It's.... angrier.
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at February 10, 2016 05:52 PM (7FH+T)
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The problem with this analysis, ace, is assuming that the establishment works in concert. They don't. In fact, it seems that immigration is the one thing that unites them:
Rubio isn't going away until after Nevada.
Jeb isn't going away ever, unless he grows a sense of shame. And why should he? Rubio was the chance to get rid of Jeb, but now that he's got his second-wind, he figures he can spend his way to a 1-on-1 with Trump.
Kasich is going to linger, but he got Huntsman numbers in NH and won't attract donors. Carson's making a fool of himself. Gilmore is still an asterisk.
Usually in these situations, there's a fusion ticket. Reagan did it with Bush. But Trump is the turd in the punchbowl.
Rubio makes a terrible VP choice. The veep should be the attack dog and he's the puppy.
Here's the thing: getting revenge on the establishment may feel nice, but there are bigger issues here.
Rubio isn't going away until after Nevada.
Jeb isn't going away ever, unless he grows a sense of shame. And why should he? Rubio was the chance to get rid of Jeb, but now that he's got his second-wind, he figures he can spend his way to a 1-on-1 with Trump.
Kasich is going to linger, but he got Huntsman numbers in NH and won't attract donors. Carson's making a fool of himself. Gilmore is still an asterisk.
Usually in these situations, there's a fusion ticket. Reagan did it with Bush. But Trump is the turd in the punchbowl.
Rubio makes a terrible VP choice. The veep should be the attack dog and he's the puppy.
Here's the thing: getting revenge on the establishment may feel nice, but there are bigger issues here.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 10, 2016 05:52 PM (Xd2w5)
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Elections have become popularity contests, without much regard for the character or experience of the candidates.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2016 05:49 PM (oFSUK)
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Which is why I think Trump could win. He had (has?) a long-running TV show. He's a celebrity. People like celebrities. They seem to be dazzled by star quality. The deficit? Not so much. People might just vote for Trump because they've seen him on TV.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2016 05:49 PM (oFSUK)
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Which is why I think Trump could win. He had (has?) a long-running TV show. He's a celebrity. People like celebrities. They seem to be dazzled by star quality. The deficit? Not so much. People might just vote for Trump because they've seen him on TV.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 05:52 PM (dFi94)
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hasn't not has
Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2016 05:52 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 10, 2016 05:53 PM (zOTsN)
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Paragraphs and periods are your friends.
Posted by: Soona at February 10, 2016 05:34 PM (Fmupd)
Hey, I said I was not a professional.
Posted by: Soona at February 10, 2016 05:34 PM (Fmupd)
Hey, I said I was not a professional.
Posted by: GOPe Hater at February 10, 2016 05:53 PM (8EJen)
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I saw Hasn't not Has open for Was not Was at the Westchester County Center back in 83!
Posted by: garrett at February 10, 2016 05:54 PM (NHG6e)
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182 I can't have anything to do with this party anymore. They really are so stupid. They live in a bubble and have been talked into this ridiculous idea by consultants that the key to winning is by converting uneducated Hispanics who are fleeing socialist shithole countries and coming here primarily for welfare to vote Republican.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 10, 2016 05:50 PM (2x3L+)
Those who are goo-goo-for-globalism succomb to the delusion of Hispandering. This explains the Bush family.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 10, 2016 05:50 PM (2x3L+)
Those who are goo-goo-for-globalism succomb to the delusion of Hispandering. This explains the Bush family.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 10, 2016 05:54 PM (GsebS)
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>>JackStraw, the only reason amnesty was not
passed was because the day before (I'm pretty sure but at least the week
of) the vote in the House on amnesty Cantor got KO'd and fencesitters
cried to the leadership to cancel the vote because they knew they would
lose their sits.
And that's exactly how it's supposed to work. Elected representative
often have to be reminded of what direction we want them to go. That
will always be true.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2016 05:50 PM (/tuJf)
First, go Brat go!
Second, the GOPe is now whining that it was democrats that stole Cantor's seat from him.
passed was because the day before (I'm pretty sure but at least the week
of) the vote in the House on amnesty Cantor got KO'd and fencesitters
cried to the leadership to cancel the vote because they knew they would
lose their sits.
And that's exactly how it's supposed to work. Elected representative
often have to be reminded of what direction we want them to go. That
will always be true.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2016 05:50 PM (/tuJf)
First, go Brat go!
Second, the GOPe is now whining that it was democrats that stole Cantor's seat from him.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 10, 2016 05:54 PM (OrI3J)
Posted by: White Capri Pants at February 10, 2016 05:55 PM (NHG6e)
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Not so much. People might just vote for Trump because they've seen him on TV.
Posted by: grammie
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Aren't you supposed to be on your honeymoon?
Posted by: grammie
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Aren't you supposed to be on your honeymoon?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2016 05:55 PM (oFSUK)
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>>>Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 05:36 PM (3DIzJ)
Well some speculation that Jefferson was afflicted with Aspergers. I'm not really sure how it's important.
Well some speculation that Jefferson was afflicted with Aspergers. I'm not really sure how it's important.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 10, 2016 05:55 PM (0q2P7)
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"200 Tantraros was spokesperson for Gov. William Weld of MA, the prototypical RNC insider and also worked for the RNC. She's not exactly a raging conservative.
Posted by: JackStraw"
Have William Weld and George Will ever been seen in the same place?
Posted by: JackStraw"
Have William Weld and George Will ever been seen in the same place?
Posted by: Benji Carver at February 10, 2016 05:55 PM (OD2ni)
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@159 ~ Fuck these people. They should all be tarred and feathered and airdropped into Saudi Arabia...figuratively, of course!
Posted by: naturalfake
Great post!
Ditto and harrumph naturalfke! Good Oh.
Posted by: naturalfake
Great post!
Ditto and harrumph naturalfke! Good Oh.
Posted by: Yip at February 10, 2016 05:56 PM (e7T6D)
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201 medved hates trump and cruz.....with a venomous passion
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 10, 2016 05:52 PM (0O7c5)
I used to like "The Cultural Crusader", but he seems to have sold his soul to the goo goo globalists. See also Hugh Hewitt, also on the Salem Radio Network.
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 10, 2016 05:52 PM (0O7c5)
I used to like "The Cultural Crusader", but he seems to have sold his soul to the goo goo globalists. See also Hugh Hewitt, also on the Salem Radio Network.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 10, 2016 05:56 PM (GsebS)
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Anyway, the reason I care is because it explains why Cruz comes off the way he does. It isn't about him being duplicitous or smarmy. He just has trouble projecting his actual feelings to other people.
Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 05:56 PM (0C2f1)
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I saw Hasn't not Has open for Was not Was at the Westchester County Center back in 83!
Posted by: garrett
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I saw Waslim open for Islam, 2008.
Posted by: garrett
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I saw Waslim open for Islam, 2008.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2016 05:57 PM (oFSUK)
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Cruz has the same tells.
Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 05:50 PM (0C2f1)
I respect your experience and knowledge.
But....the range of human emotions and reactions is incredible. That Cruz exhibits some of the behaviors that your son is not necessarily indicative of Aspergers or Autism, especially when viewed through the prism of TV and public speaking and the incredible pressure of the campaign.
Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 05:50 PM (0C2f1)
I respect your experience and knowledge.
But....the range of human emotions and reactions is incredible. That Cruz exhibits some of the behaviors that your son is not necessarily indicative of Aspergers or Autism, especially when viewed through the prism of TV and public speaking and the incredible pressure of the campaign.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:57 PM (Zu3d9)
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If they block Trump and Cruz I think the next 'insurrectionist' candidate may really be the 'fascist!!' they pretend those 2 guys are
Look at the left, theyve gone full rxtard
Look at the left, theyve gone full rxtard
Posted by: ginaswo at February 10, 2016 05:57 PM (qxNrP)
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Aren't you supposed to be on your honeymoon?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2016 05:55 PM (oFSUK)
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That would be a little, er, awkward to explain to the congregation, since the wedding isn't till July. Although I did book it today. Cancun, here I come! Oh. I guess it's "here we come". I gotta get used to that.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2016 05:55 PM (oFSUK)
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That would be a little, er, awkward to explain to the congregation, since the wedding isn't till July. Although I did book it today. Cancun, here I come! Oh. I guess it's "here we come". I gotta get used to that.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 05:57 PM (dFi94)
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I thought there was no way the Republicans could screw up this election... Hillary! is not all that likable, Bernie is an outright Socialist, and Uncle Joe, who could still come in is ,shall We say ,a walking gaffe machine yet here We are....
Posted by: donna at February 10, 2016 05:57 PM (/dSsq)
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Here's the thing: getting revenge on the establishment may feel nice, but there are bigger issues here.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 10, 2016 05:52 PM
Not sure where you're going with that, but I don't care anymore. I'd rather see them destroyed by Hill or teh Bern if they (the establishment) are going to screw us over every time. Loyalty is a two way street.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 10, 2016 05:52 PM
Not sure where you're going with that, but I don't care anymore. I'd rather see them destroyed by Hill or teh Bern if they (the establishment) are going to screw us over every time. Loyalty is a two way street.
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 10, 2016 05:58 PM (btH0m)
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Which is why I think Trump could win. He had (has?) a long-running TV show. He's a celebrity. People like celebrities. They seem to be dazzled by star quality. The deficit? Not so much. People might just vote for Trump because they've seen him on TV.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 05:52 PM (dFi94)
No one has any idea how a President Trump would govern. Least of all Donald Trump. He's the ultimate surprise package. (That is not a good thing, in my opinion.)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 05:52 PM (dFi94)
No one has any idea how a President Trump would govern. Least of all Donald Trump. He's the ultimate surprise package. (That is not a good thing, in my opinion.)
Posted by: stuiec at February 10, 2016 05:58 PM (eetvJ)
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However, going forward, the Establishment may want to consider some consultation with, power sharing with, trade-of-priorities with, and basic respect for the Ugly Stupid Ill-Educated Unfashionable voters they trick into voting for them every two years.
Let me repeat.
At least when the awful ex comes around asking for gas money, I get fucked in the good way first.
Just. Sayin'.
Let me repeat.
At least when the awful ex comes around asking for gas money, I get fucked in the good way first.
Just. Sayin'.
Posted by: alexthechick - s'up bitches at February 10, 2016 05:58 PM (IrByp)
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We recently learned that Obama was already gaming out to keep funding most of the government when they were claiming they couldn't do that.
This to me is a win for Cruz' tactics.
He was right. The GOPe was wrong.
The GOPe gave away power of the budget for a few years in a row, even as a the full majority party, because they are still scared.
They funded planned parenthood!
But they go Ex-Im and Oil exports...
See. If the GOPe had managed to defund PP, just for example, the So-cons would probably be less willing to vote for Trump.
Instead, by being corporate only, they lost a ton of support.
note: I am not a so-con, not pro-life, and am for free trade and even I can see that you have to throw bones to your coalition partners.
If you're going to roll over on gay marriage (good idea, if you ask me) then give them a bone on planned parenthood.
Same with the Tea Party.
This to me is a win for Cruz' tactics.
He was right. The GOPe was wrong.
The GOPe gave away power of the budget for a few years in a row, even as a the full majority party, because they are still scared.
They funded planned parenthood!
But they go Ex-Im and Oil exports...
See. If the GOPe had managed to defund PP, just for example, the So-cons would probably be less willing to vote for Trump.
Instead, by being corporate only, they lost a ton of support.
note: I am not a so-con, not pro-life, and am for free trade and even I can see that you have to throw bones to your coalition partners.
If you're going to roll over on gay marriage (good idea, if you ask me) then give them a bone on planned parenthood.
Same with the Tea Party.
Posted by: Harun at February 10, 2016 05:58 PM (UBBWX)
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" I'm not really sure how it's important."
Like I said, I just think it is a non-sinister explanation for Cruz's "put on" persona that people complain about.
Like I said, I just think it is a non-sinister explanation for Cruz's "put on" persona that people complain about.
Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 05:58 PM (f3Iw2)
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If the establishment spent that time crushing the liberals in the congress and senate instead of the tea party, they'd be sailing to victory right now.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2016 05:58 PM (X+eRS)
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Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 10, 2016 05:54 PM (GsebS)
My theory is that Jeb lost his virginity to one of the Hispanic maids, and has been pining for her ever since.
My theory is that Jeb lost his virginity to one of the Hispanic maids, and has been pining for her ever since.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:59 PM (Zu3d9)
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>>I did book it today. Cancun, here I come! Oh. I guess it's "here we come". I gotta get used to that.
Don't get too used to it.
Don't get too used to it.
Posted by: Marriage at February 10, 2016 05:59 PM (NHG6e)
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>>Have William Weld and George Will ever been seen in the same place?
Two of the whitest people on the planet.
Two of the whitest people on the planet.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2016 05:59 PM (/tuJf)
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wait.....grammie......you are getting MARRIED???!!!!! how did i not know about this? best wishes!!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 10, 2016 06:00 PM (0O7c5)
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"especially when viewed through the prism of TV and public speaking and the incredible pressure of the campaign."
True, but I really do think it's the true explanation.
The alternative is that Cruz doesn't really believe what he claims to believe, and that just doesn't line up with everything he's done for his entire life.
True, but I really do think it's the true explanation.
The alternative is that Cruz doesn't really believe what he claims to believe, and that just doesn't line up with everything he's done for his entire life.
Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 06:00 PM (f3Iw2)
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At least when the awful ex comes around asking for gas money, I get fucked in the good way first.
Just. Sayin'.
Go on...
At least when the awful ex comes around asking for gas money, I get fucked in the good way first.
Just. Sayin'.
Go on...
Posted by: steevy at February 10, 2016 06:01 PM (B48dK)
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Personally, I also think Trump will be disappointing as president. I think he will make a ton of deals, even with Democrats.
At most you will get a wall with Mexico, but as part of an touchback amnesty.
At most you will get a wall with Mexico, but as part of an touchback amnesty.
Posted by: Harun at February 10, 2016 06:01 PM (UBBWX)
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The GOPe gave away power of the budget for a few years in a row, even as a the full majority party, because they are still scared.
They funded planned parenthood!
But they go Ex-Im and Oil exports...
See. If the GOPe had managed to defund PP, just for example, the So-cons would probably be less willing to vote for Trump.
Instead, by being corporate only, they lost a ton of support.
Like I said before, the GOPee is defined by:
1. Globalism and "free trade" agreements at all costs, even when national sovereignty and security come into question.
2. A generous immigration policy, even when American identity comes into question and cultural fragmentation occurs.
3. Capitulation to leftist control of media, academic and cultural institutions.
4. A basic acceptance of the welfare state as founded in "Great Society" days.
They funded planned parenthood!
But they go Ex-Im and Oil exports...
See. If the GOPe had managed to defund PP, just for example, the So-cons would probably be less willing to vote for Trump.
Instead, by being corporate only, they lost a ton of support.
Like I said before, the GOPee is defined by:
1. Globalism and "free trade" agreements at all costs, even when national sovereignty and security come into question.
2. A generous immigration policy, even when American identity comes into question and cultural fragmentation occurs.
3. Capitulation to leftist control of media, academic and cultural institutions.
4. A basic acceptance of the welfare state as founded in "Great Society" days.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 10, 2016 06:01 PM (GsebS)
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I'm installing Windows 10 on my Dell...already regretting it
My phone wants to upgrade Android...I've been telling it 'later' for about three weeks. No way to get out of it.
My phone wants to upgrade Android...I've been telling it 'later' for about three weeks. No way to get out of it.
Posted by: Stuart Mackenzie at February 10, 2016 06:01 PM (oVJmc)
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No one has any idea how a President Trump would
govern. Least of all Donald Trump. He's the ultimate surprise package.
(That is not a good thing, in my opinion.)
Posted by: stuiec at February 10, 2016 05:58 PM (eetvJ)
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Oh, I would shudder at the thought of how he might govern. I don't think he has many core political principles. I'm just saying that it seems people like to vote for celebrity types.
govern. Least of all Donald Trump. He's the ultimate surprise package.
(That is not a good thing, in my opinion.)
Posted by: stuiec at February 10, 2016 05:58 PM (eetvJ)
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Oh, I would shudder at the thought of how he might govern. I don't think he has many core political principles. I'm just saying that it seems people like to vote for celebrity types.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:01 PM (dFi94)
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I'm installing Windows 10 on my Dell...already regretting it
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 05:51 PM (DUoqb)
Big Microsoft is watching you.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 05:51 PM (DUoqb)
Big Microsoft is watching you.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 10, 2016 06:01 PM (uURQL)
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I thought grammie had a funeral.
Posted by: dantesed at February 10, 2016 06:01 PM (88xKn)
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It seems that the "endorsement sweepstakes" is becoming more and more useless. Rubio's mountain of endorsements might have actually hurt him because it was like the establishment saying "Okay, this is the guy YOU WILL elect now." And nobody paid any attention to Palin in Iowa which is why she's so butthurt.
Posted by: Naes at February 10, 2016 06:01 PM (Ypc8j)
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"I'm installing Windows 10 on my Dell...already regretting it"
Just made that mistake. It took about 2 weeks to get around all the glitches but things seem to be running smoothly most of the time now.
Just made that mistake. It took about 2 weeks to get around all the glitches but things seem to be running smoothly most of the time now.
Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 06:02 PM (f3Iw2)
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My son didn't say a word until he was 2.5. Then he exclusively spoke by
repeating, verbatim, things he heard on TV. He eventually learned to put
these scripted fragments into what simulated a conversation. I'm not
entirely sure that's not what he's still doing 7 years later.
I think he'll fit in great around here.
repeating, verbatim, things he heard on TV. He eventually learned to put
these scripted fragments into what simulated a conversation. I'm not
entirely sure that's not what he's still doing 7 years later.
I think he'll fit in great around here.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 10, 2016 06:02 PM (uURQL)
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Oh and the palerider theorem. the GOPe prefers to be the minority party. The long timers from red states know they'll keep getting elected and getting all those sweet DC perks when they are the minority and they can make convincing theatre of "opposing" the big government Dems. When they get majority status they can't hide their love of big government behind the minority curtain so they deliberately piss off voters until they get back to what they want.
Posted by: PaleRider at February 10, 2016 06:02 PM (dkExz)
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That would be a little, er, awkward to explain to the congregation, since the wedding isn't till July.
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Oh, that's right. Lutheran, not Unitarian.
Cancun. So, not going to Russia, huh? You people are a constant disappointment to Bernie. Acceptable middle ground would be Cuba. It's all the rage these days, I understand, among the moneyed Liberal elite.
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Oh, that's right. Lutheran, not Unitarian.
Cancun. So, not going to Russia, huh? You people are a constant disappointment to Bernie. Acceptable middle ground would be Cuba. It's all the rage these days, I understand, among the moneyed Liberal elite.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2016 06:02 PM (oFSUK)
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Here's the gist of the comments over at The Right Scoop:
A candidate isn't declared the winner of any primary or caucus race unless he gets 50% + 1 of the votes. So neither Cruz or Trump have actually won a race, yet.
A candidate has to have win at least 8 races (by the 50% +1 measure) to get his name on the nominating ballot at the convention.
So there's the distinct possibility, if the race is between 3 or more candidates during the primaries, no one would actually reach the 8 wins necessary to get on the nominating ballot.
If there are no candidates who win 8 races, then the GOPe will get to select their own preferred candidate.
Finally, all races starting on March 15 are winner-take-all as far as delegates go. Well, that is, if a candidate can get 50% + 1 of the votes.
This gives the RNC reason to keep Jeb! and/or Rubio in the race all through the season, just to act as spoilers to prevent Cruz and Trump from ever winning a race by 50% +1.
A candidate isn't declared the winner of any primary or caucus race unless he gets 50% + 1 of the votes. So neither Cruz or Trump have actually won a race, yet.
A candidate has to have win at least 8 races (by the 50% +1 measure) to get his name on the nominating ballot at the convention.
So there's the distinct possibility, if the race is between 3 or more candidates during the primaries, no one would actually reach the 8 wins necessary to get on the nominating ballot.
If there are no candidates who win 8 races, then the GOPe will get to select their own preferred candidate.
Finally, all races starting on March 15 are winner-take-all as far as delegates go. Well, that is, if a candidate can get 50% + 1 of the votes.
This gives the RNC reason to keep Jeb! and/or Rubio in the race all through the season, just to act as spoilers to prevent Cruz and Trump from ever winning a race by 50% +1.
Posted by: elaine at February 10, 2016 06:02 PM (Y0Piu)
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>>>> My theory is that Jeb lost his virginity to one of the Hispanic maids, and has been pining for her ever since.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:59
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Nah, probably his nanny.
Actually, I really it's that he is pussy whipped. I'm a his Hispanic wife. He really seems to have a genuine affection that borders on obsession with Hispanics.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2016 05:59
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Nah, probably his nanny.
Actually, I really it's that he is pussy whipped. I'm a his Hispanic wife. He really seems to have a genuine affection that borders on obsession with Hispanics.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 10, 2016 06:03 PM (2x3L+)
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I'm just saying that it seems people like to vote for celebrity types.
TV and universal suffrage doomed the Republic.
TV and universal suffrage doomed the Republic.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 10, 2016 06:03 PM (uURQL)
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I'm installing Windows 10 on my Dell...already regretting it
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 05:51 PM (DUoqb)
Big Microsoft is watching you.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 10, 2016 06:01 PM (uURQL)
I don't use it much. I can do most Military things on my MAC, but there are still a few things I can't so I am going to give 10 a try on my laptop...I still have Windows 7 Computers in the Office I can use if all else fails
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 05:51 PM (DUoqb)
Big Microsoft is watching you.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 10, 2016 06:01 PM (uURQL)
I don't use it much. I can do most Military things on my MAC, but there are still a few things I can't so I am going to give 10 a try on my laptop...I still have Windows 7 Computers in the Office I can use if all else fails
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 06:03 PM (DUoqb)
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I'm reminded of the scene in Copland where the Internal Affairs detective (DeNiro) has been told to shut down the case when the Garrison sheriff (Stallone) comes in to ask what he can do to stop the bad guys.
The exchange boils down to "You had your chance AND YOU BLEW IT!"
The GOPe has blown pretty much everything it could have since the 2014 elections, with Paul Ryan's ascention to Speaker as the last straw. They better hope they play nice with Trump and get into a working relationship with him or he will bully pulpit the Hell out of Congress and work on recruitment efforts to replace them if they give him any shit.
The exchange boils down to "You had your chance AND YOU BLEW IT!"
The GOPe has blown pretty much everything it could have since the 2014 elections, with Paul Ryan's ascention to Speaker as the last straw. They better hope they play nice with Trump and get into a working relationship with him or he will bully pulpit the Hell out of Congress and work on recruitment efforts to replace them if they give him any shit.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 10, 2016 06:04 PM (SvnHQ)
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I am pretty sure they are all going to be disappointing as president. Its a matter of degree and over what. But these no true scotsmen arguments are not compelling considering who we have been ordered to vote for in the last 15 years. And I am hardpressed to fiind the accomplishments of conservatism in the last 15 years. I suspect they are doing it wrong
Posted by: ThunderB at February 10, 2016 06:04 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 10, 2016 06:04 PM (2x3L+)
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> My theory is that Jeb watched from the closet as George Jr. lost his virginity to one of the Hispanic maids, and has been waiting for his turn ever since.
Posted by: garrett at February 10, 2016 06:04 PM (NHG6e)
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TV and universal suffrage doomed the Republic.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster
But mostly universal suffrage.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster
But mostly universal suffrage.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at February 10, 2016 06:04 PM (zmW4B)
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>>>No one has any idea how a President Trump would
govern. Least of all Donald Trump. He's the ultimate surprise package. (That is not a good thing, in my opinion.)
On the other hand, we know how a President Sanders and Clinton will govern. And that's not a good thing either.
govern. Least of all Donald Trump. He's the ultimate surprise package. (That is not a good thing, in my opinion.)
On the other hand, we know how a President Sanders and Clinton will govern. And that's not a good thing either.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at February 10, 2016 06:04 PM (ppaKI)
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Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 10, 2016 06:00 PM (0O7c5)
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Oh! I didn't realize you didn't know, otherwise I would have said something. Yes - this old lady is getting married. It's embarassing. I go somewhere to pick out shoes or earrings or something, and invariable they say "So you're the mother of the bride?". No - it's just me, wrinkles and all. Seriously considered a honeymoon tour of ballparks I like.
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Oh! I didn't realize you didn't know, otherwise I would have said something. Yes - this old lady is getting married. It's embarassing. I go somewhere to pick out shoes or earrings or something, and invariable they say "So you're the mother of the bride?". No - it's just me, wrinkles and all. Seriously considered a honeymoon tour of ballparks I like.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:04 PM (dFi94)
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Grammie is getting married?? Well congrats girl!! I didn't know!
Posted by: Jewells45 at February 10, 2016 06:05 PM (CNHr1)
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Or else this thing just ain't gonna work, and it ain't gonna be around much longer.
Your getting warmer.
Or else this thing just ain't gonna work, and it ain't gonna be around much longer.
Your getting warmer.
Posted by: $19,012,724,305.49 at February 10, 2016 06:05 PM (Iz75+)
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No one has any idea how a President Trump would govern. Least of all Donald Trump. He's the ultimate surprise package
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It's a scary thought. Donald Trump doesn't seem to be moored to any concrete ideology. That's why he doesn't articulate any. What are his core beliefs outside of putting America's best interests first in business deals with other countries? I don't even think he knows specifically.
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It's a scary thought. Donald Trump doesn't seem to be moored to any concrete ideology. That's why he doesn't articulate any. What are his core beliefs outside of putting America's best interests first in business deals with other countries? I don't even think he knows specifically.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at February 10, 2016 06:05 PM (pVkEV)
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Oh, I would shudder at the thought of how he might govern. I don't think he has many core political principles. I'm just saying that it seems people like to vote for celebrity types.
Posted by: grammie
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He'll make the trains run on time!
Posted by: grammie
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He'll make the trains run on time!
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2016 06:05 PM (oFSUK)
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Can we expect that, as the bases rebel, the establishment will try harder to replace the voters with a new, more compliant electorate by accelerating southern immigration and imports of refugees?
Posted by: OT cuz- nothin' at February 10, 2016 06:06 PM (haWHk)
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If there are no candidates who win 8 races, then the GOPe will get to select their own preferred candidate.
Trump is the Kill GOPe candidate. They are welcomed to slit their own throats.
Trump is the Kill GOPe candidate. They are welcomed to slit their own throats.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 10, 2016 06:06 PM (uURQL)
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I am not liking this Christie-for-AG chatter in the right-wing-o-sphere (if the 'pubs win the general.)
Christie's open contempt for state's rights completely disqualifies him in my book.
Christie's open contempt for state's rights completely disqualifies him in my book.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 10, 2016 06:06 PM (HMt16)
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This gives the RNC reason to keep Jeb! and/or Rubio in the race all through the season, just to act as spoilers to prevent Cruz and Trump from ever winning a race by 50% +1.
Posted by: elaine at February 10, 2016 06:02 PM
.........And they wonder why nobody likes them anymore.
Posted by: elaine at February 10, 2016 06:02 PM
.........And they wonder why nobody likes them anymore.
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 10, 2016 06:06 PM (btH0m)
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Is that the rule that Willard pushed through?
Posted by: redbanzai
Rule 40 came from the epitome of the establishment: Super Republican lawyer and lobbyist Ben Ginsberg, who served as Mitt Romneys counsel in 2012...
Ginsberg at that Tampa meeting spearheaded many of the rule changes in order to protect Romneys 2012 convention and what was assumed to be his re-election campaign in 2016. He proposed increasing the amount of states required for an aspiring nominee from five to eight. He also changed the requirement from a simple plurality -- any leading percentage of the vote under 50 percent -- to a harder-to-attain majority.
Is that the rule that Willard pushed through?
Posted by: redbanzai
Rule 40 came from the epitome of the establishment: Super Republican lawyer and lobbyist Ben Ginsberg, who served as Mitt Romneys counsel in 2012...
Ginsberg at that Tampa meeting spearheaded many of the rule changes in order to protect Romneys 2012 convention and what was assumed to be his re-election campaign in 2016. He proposed increasing the amount of states required for an aspiring nominee from five to eight. He also changed the requirement from a simple plurality -- any leading percentage of the vote under 50 percent -- to a harder-to-attain majority.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 10, 2016 06:06 PM (kdS6q)
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Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:04 PM (dFi94)
Well, you could tell them you're the father of the bride and see their reaction and then they'd possibly be less shocked when you tell them you're the bride. J/K ;^)
Well, you could tell them you're the father of the bride and see their reaction and then they'd possibly be less shocked when you tell them you're the bride. J/K ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 10, 2016 06:07 PM (w4NZ8)
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It's a scary thought. Donald Trump doesn't seem to be moored to any concrete ideology.
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Has Trump ever *once* articulated respect for The Constitution? Ever?
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Has Trump ever *once* articulated respect for The Constitution? Ever?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2016 06:07 PM (oFSUK)
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I can see the Establishment's point. Talk is cheap, and if you aren't paying up, all you deserve is talk and not action. However. If they thought they could say "Thanks for the votes, now piss off while we repay the donor class" forever they were wrong. We are not Charlie Brown eternally trying to kick a football.Eventually the the response to "Screw you" was going to be "No. Screw you". And it looks like that time has come.
Posted by: Punching up at February 10, 2016 06:07 PM (VZbcr)
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"With what I would save in property and income taxes I could buy every single gun my heart desires. And the land to shoot them on."
Shame. Been out riding around the pastures with my firearms today. Sure is enjoyable.
Shame. Been out riding around the pastures with my firearms today. Sure is enjoyable.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 10, 2016 06:07 PM (9ym/8)
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So, not going to Russia, huh? You people are a
constant disappointment to Bernie. Acceptable middle ground would be
Cuba. It's all the rage these days, I understand, among the moneyed
Liberal elite.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2016 06:02 PM (oFSUK)
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Took a serious look at Croatia and Romania. But my sister has a timeshare at a 5 star resort near Cancun. So, free is good.
constant disappointment to Bernie. Acceptable middle ground would be
Cuba. It's all the rage these days, I understand, among the moneyed
Liberal elite.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2016 06:02 PM (oFSUK)
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Took a serious look at Croatia and Romania. But my sister has a timeshare at a 5 star resort near Cancun. So, free is good.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:07 PM (dFi94)
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The base needs a sweetener. How about McCain dropping out and supporting winner of R primary ?
Posted by: TheThinMan at February 10, 2016 06:08 PM (FJqd3)
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Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 10, 2016 06:07 PM (w4NZ
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That might just do it!
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That might just do it!
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:08 PM (dFi94)
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Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:04 PM (dFi94)
i'm so happy for you! how wonderful!
i'm so happy for you! how wonderful!
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 10, 2016 06:08 PM (0O7c5)
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lol fenelon!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 10, 2016 06:09 PM (0O7c5)
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262 Can we expect that, as the bases rebel, the establishment will try harder to replace the voters with a new, more compliant electorate by accelerating southern immigration and imports of refugees?
Leon Wolf, through his bitter, bitter tears, just wants to just take away the New Hampshire citizens' right to vote.
For real. Not making this up. At Red State, to which I will not link.
Leon Wolf, through his bitter, bitter tears, just wants to just take away the New Hampshire citizens' right to vote.
For real. Not making this up. At Red State, to which I will not link.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 10, 2016 06:09 PM (HMt16)
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Jewells45 - thank you so much.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:09 PM (dFi94)
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I thought grammie had a funeral.
Wedding/funeral. Same same. Just depends on which side of the aisle you're on.
Wedding/funeral. Same same. Just depends on which side of the aisle you're on.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2016 06:09 PM (Y42RP)
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Can anyone here point to a *precise*, *objective* meaning for "Establishment" that doesn't just boil down to "people I don't like"?
I'd define it as those people whose primary social and intellectual loyalty is to the social network of Federal officials, federal government workers, and those who lobby them (except for military personnel who form a separate social and intellectual network of their own, though they do overlap in places).
I'd define it as those people whose primary social and intellectual loyalty is to the social network of Federal officials, federal government workers, and those who lobby them (except for military personnel who form a separate social and intellectual network of their own, though they do overlap in places).
Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2016 06:09 PM (bZ7mE)
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Donald Trump doesn't seem to be moored to any concrete ideology.
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Not true. He manifests the fundamental quality that all psychopaths manifest, respect for himself, contempt for all others.
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Not true. He manifests the fundamental quality that all psychopaths manifest, respect for himself, contempt for all others.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2016 06:10 PM (oFSUK)
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The GOP 'establishment', RINOs and all, is the GOP.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 10, 2016 06:10 PM (T78UI)
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Carly suspending her campaign. Come on Ben. We won't think any less of you if you drop out now like CNN said you would.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 10, 2016 06:10 PM (AEEhl)
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i'm so happy for you! how wonderful!
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 10, 2016 06:08 PM (0O7c5)
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It is kind of fun, except for my kids making gagging motions and jokes about Viagra. I'd like to swat them both.
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 10, 2016 06:08 PM (0O7c5)
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It is kind of fun, except for my kids making gagging motions and jokes about Viagra. I'd like to swat them both.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:11 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 10, 2016 06:11 PM (9ym/8)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2016 06:11 PM (Y42RP)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 10, 2016 06:11 PM (0O7c5)
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Lemme see.
The Left campaigns left then governs left.
The Right campaigns right and governs left.
While we list starboard.
We lose. Any wonder why you haven't heard a peep from McConnell and Ryan since Christmas?
Who y'all voting for?
The Left campaigns left then governs left.
The Right campaigns right and governs left.
While we list starboard.
We lose. Any wonder why you haven't heard a peep from McConnell and Ryan since Christmas?
Who y'all voting for?
Posted by: Golfman at February 10, 2016 06:11 PM (48QDY)
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"It is kind of fun, except for my kids making gagging motions and jokes about Viagra. I'd like to swat them both."
Shut them up by telling them they're just jealous.
Shut them up by telling them they're just jealous.
Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 06:12 PM (f3Iw2)
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Trumps concrete ideology seems to be America First. thats it
Posted by: ThunderB at February 10, 2016 06:12 PM (zOTsN)
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283 i'm so happy for you! how wonderful!
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 10, 2016 06:08 PM (0O7c5)
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It is kind of fun, except for my kids making gagging motions and jokes about Viagra. I'd like to swat them both.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:11 PM (dFi94)
I like your kids already.
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 10, 2016 06:08 PM (0O7c5)
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It is kind of fun, except for my kids making gagging motions and jokes about Viagra. I'd like to swat them both.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:11 PM (dFi94)
I like your kids already.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 10, 2016 06:13 PM (kpqmD)
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Troops from FT Drum are going to Helman Provence in Afghanistan with orders NOT to engage the Taliban? Great plan ha?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 06:13 PM (DUoqb)
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Shut them up by telling them they're just jealous.
Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 06:12 PM (f3Iw2)
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I think they truly are happy, but they have to pretend to be repulsed.
Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 06:12 PM (f3Iw2)
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I think they truly are happy, but they have to pretend to be repulsed.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:13 PM (dFi94)
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I am not an "Establishment Guy" in any way shape or form.
I would like to all their nuts in a jar, or hanging on the wall.
I would like to all their nuts in a jar, or hanging on the wall.
Posted by: Paladin (Moderately Nefarious) at February 10, 2016 06:14 PM (ycm4Q)
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Observation (and disclaimer: I'm kind of an establishment guy).
The Establishment can *use* the "Tea Party" and other such groups, even after elections. The Establishment can say, in negotiations with the Democrats, "Well, you know, we could live with XYZ, but these parts of our coalition hate it, we can't get them to swallow XYZ unless you give them a big victory somewhere else." Standard game theory: By showing they have limited freedom to act, they put the burden on the people they're negotiating with.
And they're not dummies. They know that. So why do they insist on publicly insulting big chunks of their coalition, when that *weakens* their own negotiating position?
Hypothesis: They do it because they really, really hate those parts of their coalition.
The Establishment can *use* the "Tea Party" and other such groups, even after elections. The Establishment can say, in negotiations with the Democrats, "Well, you know, we could live with XYZ, but these parts of our coalition hate it, we can't get them to swallow XYZ unless you give them a big victory somewhere else." Standard game theory: By showing they have limited freedom to act, they put the burden on the people they're negotiating with.
And they're not dummies. They know that. So why do they insist on publicly insulting big chunks of their coalition, when that *weakens* their own negotiating position?
Hypothesis: They do it because they really, really hate those parts of their coalition.
Posted by: Andrew S. at February 10, 2016 06:14 PM (0I/a1)
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Golfers will recall Trump's interview where he criticized the attempt to bring golf to more people staying it should remain a sport where the more sophisticated upper class remain in control. Man of the people he is.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 10, 2016 06:14 PM (AEEhl)
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Has Trump ever *once* articulated respect for The Constitution? Ever?
Was curious. First google hits for "trump constitution" criticize him over his position on anchor babies.
One link had this exchange:
DONALD TRUMP: Well, I happen to disagree with the whole concept of anchor babies. I mean, you look at anchor babies-
CHUCK TODD: But that's in the Constitution.
DONALD TRUMP: No, it's not in the Constitution. If you read and if you look, and if you go to the real scholars, like different people that I can give you, they will tell you. Somebody comes over and they have a baby on our border and it happens to be on this side of the border, we're not mandated to take care of that baby. You do not have to change the Constitution. You may need a vote in Congress, but you don't have to change. Now, there's a, you know, debate about that. I don't think it's even close. And I've been on this issue for a long time. No, no, people have to come into our country legally, Chuck. They have to be here legally
He didn't fail this one.
Was curious. First google hits for "trump constitution" criticize him over his position on anchor babies.
One link had this exchange:
DONALD TRUMP: Well, I happen to disagree with the whole concept of anchor babies. I mean, you look at anchor babies-
CHUCK TODD: But that's in the Constitution.
DONALD TRUMP: No, it's not in the Constitution. If you read and if you look, and if you go to the real scholars, like different people that I can give you, they will tell you. Somebody comes over and they have a baby on our border and it happens to be on this side of the border, we're not mandated to take care of that baby. You do not have to change the Constitution. You may need a vote in Congress, but you don't have to change. Now, there's a, you know, debate about that. I don't think it's even close. And I've been on this issue for a long time. No, no, people have to come into our country legally, Chuck. They have to be here legally
He didn't fail this one.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 10, 2016 06:15 PM (uURQL)
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I like your kids already.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 10, 2016 06:13 PM (kpqmD)
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I'll sell them to you cheap. Make me an offer. Buy one, get one free.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 10, 2016 06:13 PM (kpqmD)
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I'll sell them to you cheap. Make me an offer. Buy one, get one free.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:15 PM (dFi94)
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"
Hypothesis: They do it because they really, really hate those parts of their coalition"
Exactly. They did just this with the PP defund fiasco.
Hypothesis: They do it because they really, really hate those parts of their coalition"
Exactly. They did just this with the PP defund fiasco.
Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 06:15 PM (f3Iw2)
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It isn't just the memory. It's his cadence. It's the way he "looks over" people. It's the fact that people find something imperceptibly "off-putting" about him.
The memory is just a tell. But I honestly don't know how any ways I can possibly say that I don't mean this as a bad thing. It just explains some of his behavior.
Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 05:36 PM (3DIzJ)
You basically described me in that first paragraph imho.
Some people are just so brilliant they have a harder time relating to the average person. I think Ted might be one of those.
The memory is just a tell. But I honestly don't know how any ways I can possibly say that I don't mean this as a bad thing. It just explains some of his behavior.
Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 05:36 PM (3DIzJ)
You basically described me in that first paragraph imho.
Some people are just so brilliant they have a harder time relating to the average person. I think Ted might be one of those.
Posted by: Blano at February 10, 2016 06:15 PM (sdPF/)
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I like Teh Donald for the simple fact he has the right enemies. I want him to carve "Fuck You" into a Louisville Slugger and ram it up both parties collective asses.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 10, 2016 06:16 PM (89T5c)
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Troops from FT Drum are going to Helman Provence in Afghanistan with orders NOT to engage the Taliban? Great plan ha?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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It's called 'The Ferguson Strategy'. Later the troops will be charged with 'Human Rights' violations, solely on the basis of their having been there.
BTW, what's happened with Bergdahl? Seems the Administration is successfully waiting for that to die.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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It's called 'The Ferguson Strategy'. Later the troops will be charged with 'Human Rights' violations, solely on the basis of their having been there.
BTW, what's happened with Bergdahl? Seems the Administration is successfully waiting for that to die.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2016 06:16 PM (oFSUK)
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"Troops from FT Drum are going to Helman Provence in Afghanistan with orders NOT to engage the Taliban?"
Play date?
Play date?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 10, 2016 06:16 PM (9ym/8)
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Took a serious look at Croatia and Romania. But my sister has a timeshare at a 5 star resort near Cancun. So, free is good.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:07 PM (dFi94)
Just remember, if you do decide to venture out of your honeymoon suite, slather on some mosquito repellent with your sunscreen.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:07 PM (dFi94)
Just remember, if you do decide to venture out of your honeymoon suite, slather on some mosquito repellent with your sunscreen.
Posted by: stuiec at February 10, 2016 06:16 PM (eetvJ)
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Posted by: ThunderB at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (zOTsN) --- Clinton is Kasich, sans spasticity. Kasich is Clinton, sans screeching.
Posted by: ThunderB at February 10, 2016 05:27 PM (zOTsN) --- Clinton is Kasich, sans spasticity. Kasich is Clinton, sans screeching.
Posted by: Baldy at February 10, 2016 06:17 PM (1SCTq)
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295 Golfers will recall Trump's interview where he criticized the attempt to bring golf to more people staying it should remain a sport where the more sophisticated upper class remain in control. Man of the people he is.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 10, 2016 06:14 PM (AEEhl)
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I agree with him there.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 10, 2016 06:14 PM (AEEhl)
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I agree with him there.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 10, 2016 06:17 PM (0LHZx)
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291 Troops from FT Drum are going to Helman Provence in Afghanistan with orders NOT to engage the Taliban? Great plan ha?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 06:13 PM (DUoqb)
While troops from Ft Bragg will ride buses to Charleston SC to catch C130's to jump at Sicily, Holland and Normandy Drop Zones.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 06:13 PM (DUoqb)
While troops from Ft Bragg will ride buses to Charleston SC to catch C130's to jump at Sicily, Holland and Normandy Drop Zones.
Posted by: Golfman at February 10, 2016 06:17 PM (48QDY)
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Posted by: ThunderB at February 10, 2016 06:12 PM (zOTsN)
If it corresponds with his Trump first philosophy.
Posted by: ThunderB at February 10, 2016 06:12 PM (zOTsN)
If it corresponds with his Trump first philosophy.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 10, 2016 06:17 PM (AEEhl)
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Troops from FT Drum are going to Helman Provence in Afghanistan with orders NOT to engage the Taliban? Great plan ha?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
With special orders to ignore our "afghan allies" raping little boys. Remember, all cultures are equal.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
With special orders to ignore our "afghan allies" raping little boys. Remember, all cultures are equal.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at February 10, 2016 06:17 PM (zmW4B)
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The 'establishment' totally has no meaning at all anymore. It doesn't exist at all. Why for it to exist you would need some sort of national organization to coordinate it. And we all know that no such organization exists.
Posted by: Reince Priebus at February 10, 2016 06:18 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 10, 2016 06:18 PM (2x3L+)
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I like Teh Donald for the simple fact he has the right enemies. I want him to carve "Fuck You" into a Louisville Slugger and ram it up both parties collective asses.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
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The Commies hated Mussolini. They are the ones who killed him. 'The enemy of my enemy' doesn't always translate to a good idea. See: Roosevelt climbing in bed with Stalin.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
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The Commies hated Mussolini. They are the ones who killed him. 'The enemy of my enemy' doesn't always translate to a good idea. See: Roosevelt climbing in bed with Stalin.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2016 06:18 PM (oFSUK)
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I'll sell them to you cheap. Make me an offer. Buy one, get one free.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:15 PM (dFi94)
I wonder where they got their sense of humor from?
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:15 PM (dFi94)
I wonder where they got their sense of humor from?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 10, 2016 06:18 PM (uURQL)
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I don't know, I have a bad feeling about this election....
Posted by: donna at February 10, 2016 06:19 PM (/dSsq)
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While troops from Ft Bragg will ride buses to Charleston SC to catch C130's to jump at Sicily, Holland and Normandy Drop Zones.
Posted by: Golfman at February 10, 2016 06:17 PM (48QDY)
Yeah i saw that. Sad State of affairs ha
Posted by: Golfman at February 10, 2016 06:17 PM (48QDY)
Yeah i saw that. Sad State of affairs ha
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2016 06:19 PM (DUoqb)
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"You basically described me in that first paragraph imho.
Some people are just so brilliant they have a harder time relating to the average person."
Blano, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you'd probably meet the diagnostic criteria then.
And I agree, there is a huge intersection of genius and difficulty relating. It's not 100%. There are personable geniuses, but I think whatever part of the brain allows for extreme intelligence short circuits the social part.
An acceptable trade off, I think. Of course my husband and I sing burst out in a chorus of "I Hate People" at least monthly so maybe I'm not the best to consult about the value of social connection.
Some people are just so brilliant they have a harder time relating to the average person."
Blano, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you'd probably meet the diagnostic criteria then.
And I agree, there is a huge intersection of genius and difficulty relating. It's not 100%. There are personable geniuses, but I think whatever part of the brain allows for extreme intelligence short circuits the social part.
An acceptable trade off, I think. Of course my husband and I sing burst out in a chorus of "I Hate People" at least monthly so maybe I'm not the best to consult about the value of social connection.
Posted by: Lauren at February 10, 2016 06:20 PM (0C2f1)
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Posted by: ThunderB at February 10, 2016 06:12 PM (zOTsN)
If it corresponds with his Trump first philosophy.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 10, 2016 06:17 PM (AEEhl)
this may be true however its an improvement from the current occupant of the White House who believes American interests are inimical to his own
If it corresponds with his Trump first philosophy.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 10, 2016 06:17 PM (AEEhl)
this may be true however its an improvement from the current occupant of the White House who believes American interests are inimical to his own
Posted by: ThunderB at February 10, 2016 06:20 PM (zOTsN)
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The Republican party can do 1 of 3 things at this point: get behind Cruz, get behind Trump, or get behind neither. #2 or #3 hands Trump the nomination. I'd rather it be Cruz, because he's the President Democrats deserve for running such loser candidates. But Trump is the President the weak-kneed GOP elitists deserve for disdaining fiscal conservatives. We might even be witnessing the long-overdue breakup of the two-party choke-hold on our political system. I welcome that.
Posted by: starboardhelm at February 10, 2016 06:20 PM (hOtJL)
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While troops from Ft Bragg will ride buses to Charleston SC to catch C130's to jump at Sicily, Holland and Normandy Drop Zones.
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Do they get to stop at South of the Border?
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Do they get to stop at South of the Border?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2016 06:20 PM (oFSUK)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 10, 2016 06:20 PM (zLP1L)
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'The enemy of my enemy' doesn't always translate to a good idea. See: Roosevelt climbing in bed with Stalin.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
Actually, Roosevelt climbed in bed with Stalin because all of his advisers were either commie sympathizers or flat-out Soviet spies.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
Actually, Roosevelt climbed in bed with Stalin because all of his advisers were either commie sympathizers or flat-out Soviet spies.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at February 10, 2016 06:20 PM (zmW4B)
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297 I like your kids already.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 10, 2016 06:13 PM (kpqmD)
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I'll sell them to you cheap. Make me an offer. Buy one, get one free.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:15 PM (dFi94)
Age? Gender? Education level? Any health issues? I'll need at least three references too.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 10, 2016 06:13 PM (kpqmD)
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I'll sell them to you cheap. Make me an offer. Buy one, get one free.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:15 PM (dFi94)
Age? Gender? Education level? Any health issues? I'll need at least three references too.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 10, 2016 06:20 PM (kpqmD)
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I didn't read all the comments.....
But there is a lot of bitch typing going on here. Just sayin'.
But there is a lot of bitch typing going on here. Just sayin'.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...now older and senile at February 10, 2016 06:21 PM (RFeQD)
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Witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational Nood!
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 10, 2016 06:21 PM (uURQL)
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289 Trumps concrete ideology seems to be America First. thats it
Posted by: ThunderB at February 10, 2016 06:12 PM (zOTsN)
Which, essentially, means Nationalism over Globalism.
Posted by: ThunderB at February 10, 2016 06:12 PM (zOTsN)
Which, essentially, means Nationalism over Globalism.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at February 10, 2016 06:21 PM (GsebS)
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Frum (and Geraghty, see sidebar 2 days ago) may in fact be the advance wave of the establishment trying to make Just Nice Enough with the inbred retards of flyover country to get their shit sammich to fly again.
That's what I thought when I saw the Geraghty piece (oops, maybe we shouldn't have tried so hard to shove amnesty down your throats), it's what I think Frum is trying to do. Watch for more of this as they try to talk us out of our tantrum.
War, and the knife.
That's what I thought when I saw the Geraghty piece (oops, maybe we shouldn't have tried so hard to shove amnesty down your throats), it's what I think Frum is trying to do. Watch for more of this as they try to talk us out of our tantrum.
War, and the knife.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 10, 2016 06:21 PM (Z8DIA)
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Seriously considered a honeymoon tour of ballparks I like.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:04 PM (dFi94)
Wait, you're not going to spend your honeymoon hanging out in front of Brett Favre's house?
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:04 PM (dFi94)
Wait, you're not going to spend your honeymoon hanging out in front of Brett Favre's house?
Posted by: OregonMuse at February 10, 2016 06:22 PM (maOV6)
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>>>> Golfers will recall Trump's interview where he criticized the attempt to bring golf to more people staying it should remain a sport where the more sophisticated upper class remain in control. Man of the people he is.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 10, 2016 06:14 PM
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How do you bring golf to more people? It's an expensive sport to play. It is by nature an exclusive sport. There are public courses and Inthink even those aren't cheap.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 10, 2016 06:14 PM
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How do you bring golf to more people? It's an expensive sport to play. It is by nature an exclusive sport. There are public courses and Inthink even those aren't cheap.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 10, 2016 06:22 PM (2x3L+)
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Hammer-
Understand. I don't trust any of them.
Understand. I don't trust any of them.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 10, 2016 06:23 PM (89T5c)
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Actually, Roosevelt climbed in bed with Stalin because all of his
advisers were either commie sympathizers or flat-out Soviet spies.
And that he was a socialist.
advisers were either commie sympathizers or flat-out Soviet spies.
And that he was a socialist.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 10, 2016 06:23 PM (uURQL)
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The 'establishment' totally has no meaning at all
anymore. It doesn't exist at all. Why for it to exist you would need
some sort of national organization to coordinate it. And we all know
that no such organization exists.
Posted by: Reince Priebus at February 10, 2016 06:18 PM (z/Ubi)
Oh, I understand the source of your confusion, fake Prince Rebus. You mistake the word "organization" to mean you are indeed, organized. You know how disorganized your shitty little outfit is, so you don't think the word "organization" actually applies.
But yeah.
anymore. It doesn't exist at all. Why for it to exist you would need
some sort of national organization to coordinate it. And we all know
that no such organization exists.
Posted by: Reince Priebus at February 10, 2016 06:18 PM (z/Ubi)
Oh, I understand the source of your confusion, fake Prince Rebus. You mistake the word "organization" to mean you are indeed, organized. You know how disorganized your shitty little outfit is, so you don't think the word "organization" actually applies.
But yeah.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 10, 2016 06:25 PM (TOk1P)
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Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 10, 2016 06:14 PM (AEEhl)
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I agree with him there.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 10, 2016 06:17 PM (0LHZx)
Is this the same guy that chastised the golf industry for not recruiting new players?
Fcuk you.
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I agree with him there.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 10, 2016 06:17 PM (0LHZx)
Is this the same guy that chastised the golf industry for not recruiting new players?
Fcuk you.
Posted by: Golfman at February 10, 2016 06:25 PM (48QDY)
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I think they truly are happy, but they have to pretend to be repulsed.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:13 PM (dFi94)
Yeah, kids absolutely DO NOT want to be reminded that their parents have sex.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 06:13 PM (dFi94)
Yeah, kids absolutely DO NOT want to be reminded that their parents have sex.
Posted by: OregonMuse at February 10, 2016 06:25 PM (maOV6)
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Here are two scenarios for the Cleveland Convention. Let's use Trump as the hypothetical. (#1) He could have a plurality of delegates but not a majority, because he wasn't breaking through 50%. GOPe spin is that he has high negatives, and hence is unelectable, so GOP opens the convention and picks someone else. (#2) Trump has a majority of delegates (possibly because he cut a deal with other candidates like Cruz) but can't use many of them because Rule 40 isn't rescinded, so convention is opened and picks someone else.
Scenario 1 creates big problems in the general if a Bush or Romney is the outcome.
Scenario 2 blows up the GOP. Am I wrong?
Scenario 1 creates big problems in the general if a Bush or Romney is the outcome.
Scenario 2 blows up the GOP. Am I wrong?
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 10, 2016 06:26 PM (r1fLd)
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Actually, Roosevelt climbed in bed with Stalin because all of his
advisers were either commie sympathizers or flat-out Soviet spies.
And that he was a socialist.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 10, 2016 06:23 PM (uURQL)
Nonsense. Rosevelt couldn't climb.
advisers were either commie sympathizers or flat-out Soviet spies.
And that he was a socialist.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at February 10, 2016 06:23 PM (uURQL)
Nonsense. Rosevelt couldn't climb.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 10, 2016 06:26 PM (TOk1P)
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I have morphed from a Law-And-Order Republican to my current attitude, which can be summed up as:
"Fvck you. No. I will not. Who are you to tell me what to do? You are a liar."
Now. Move to Texas and your transformation is complete!
Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2016 05:47 PM (Y42RP)
Join me, and I will complete your training.....
"Fvck you. No. I will not. Who are you to tell me what to do? You are a liar."
Now. Move to Texas and your transformation is complete!
Posted by: rickb223 at February 10, 2016 05:47 PM (Y42RP)
Join me, and I will complete your training.....
Posted by: Blano at February 10, 2016 06:26 PM (sdPF/)
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If you like the GOP convention rules, wait till the Bernbros get a load of the Superdelegate action in Philly. Whoya think Fast Eddie Rendell gonna support? Hahahahaha, Fuckin Bernie
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at February 10, 2016 06:28 PM (msVAP)
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Trump supporters:
"The establishment not only didn't give me what I want in 2008 or 2012, they actively blocked what I wanted!
"So I'm going to vote for the person they supposed hate, even they I still won't get what I want!"
BRILLANT
"The establishment not only didn't give me what I want in 2008 or 2012, they actively blocked what I wanted!
"So I'm going to vote for the person they supposed hate, even they I still won't get what I want!"
BRILLANT
Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at February 10, 2016 06:33 PM (oBqTv)
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 10, 2016 06:35 PM (r1fLd)
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To be clear, golf is for men who are too old for ice hockey, like in their 60's.
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at February 10, 2016 06:36 PM (msVAP)
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Posted by: L, Elle at February 10, 2016 06:22 PM (2x3L+)
Plenty of ways. I assume you do not know a lot about golf. Have you heard of the First Tee program?
Plenty of ways. I assume you do not know a lot about golf. Have you heard of the First Tee program?
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 10, 2016 06:40 PM (AEEhl)
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The only people looking for a conservative that can win a general election are other conservatives. Most people could care less. If you want to change that, you need to do a better job of teaching people why it matters. I don't see a lot of that happening right now.
And here's my celebrity voting story: there was an election in WA state, some time ago, with a candidate named Jeanne Dixon. That happened to be the name of a psychic that had predicted the assassination of JFK. People knew the name and even though some of us were aware this was a different person, we voted for her in the primary. (She lost in the general but did win the primary). Name recognition is a big thing. Trump now has a reputation as someone unafraid to tackle the media. That's another plus. The other candidates have to work twice as hard to be heard. And the media can shut most of them down, as they did with Carly.
And here's my celebrity voting story: there was an election in WA state, some time ago, with a candidate named Jeanne Dixon. That happened to be the name of a psychic that had predicted the assassination of JFK. People knew the name and even though some of us were aware this was a different person, we voted for her in the primary. (She lost in the general but did win the primary). Name recognition is a big thing. Trump now has a reputation as someone unafraid to tackle the media. That's another plus. The other candidates have to work twice as hard to be heard. And the media can shut most of them down, as they did with Carly.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at February 10, 2016 06:41 PM (Lqy/e)
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That would be a little, er, awkward to explain to the congregation, since the wedding isn't till July. Although I did book it today. Cancun, here I come! Oh. I guess it's "here we come". I gotta get used to that.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 05:57 PM (dFi94)
Ha! I Lol'd at your little slip of the tongue. We all know it's not about the guy. : )
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 05:57 PM (dFi94)
Ha! I Lol'd at your little slip of the tongue. We all know it's not about the guy. : )
Posted by: Blano at February 10, 2016 06:42 PM (sdPF/)
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Aren't you supposed to be on your honeymoon?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2016 05:55 PM (oFSUK)
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That
would be a little, er, awkward to explain to the congregation, since
the wedding isn't till July. Although I did book it today. Cancun, here I
come! Oh. I guess it's "here we come". I gotta get used to that.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 05:57 PM (dFi94)
It would be like dessert first, then dinner.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2016 05:55 PM (oFSUK)
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That
would be a little, er, awkward to explain to the congregation, since
the wedding isn't till July. Although I did book it today. Cancun, here I
come! Oh. I guess it's "here we come". I gotta get used to that.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 10, 2016 05:57 PM (dFi94)
It would be like dessert first, then dinner.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 10, 2016 06:44 PM (NPofj)
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Trump supporters:
"The establishment not only didn't give me what I want in 2008 or 2012, they actively blocked what I wanted!
"So I'm going to vote for the person they supposed hate, even they I still won't get what I want!"
BRILLANT
Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at February 10, 2016 06:33 PM (oBqTv)
I presume that Patrick Henry is a Trump supporter.That, or he is some sort of self-appointed physic who really believes he can get into people's heads.
"The establishment not only didn't give me what I want in 2008 or 2012, they actively blocked what I wanted!
"So I'm going to vote for the person they supposed hate, even they I still won't get what I want!"
BRILLANT
Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at February 10, 2016 06:33 PM (oBqTv)
I presume that Patrick Henry is a Trump supporter.That, or he is some sort of self-appointed physic who really believes he can get into people's heads.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 10, 2016 06:49 PM (T78UI)
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Wikipedia entry for Jeane Dixon:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_secretary_of_state_election,_1992
She spent less than a thousand and beat Warren Magnussons step daughter.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_secretary_of_state_election,_1992
She spent less than a thousand and beat Warren Magnussons step daughter.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at February 10, 2016 06:50 PM (Lqy/e)
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Cruz got it wrong
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 10, 2016 06:35 PM (r1fLd)
Cruz got it both ways, as only a true conservative constitutional scholar can.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 10, 2016 06:35 PM (r1fLd)
Cruz got it both ways, as only a true conservative constitutional scholar can.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 10, 2016 06:52 PM (T78UI)
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Every time the establishment republicans have to face riled-up conservatives with the bit between their teeth, the cry goes up that doing what the conservatives want will mean we'll LOSE! Lose the election! Lose to a Democrat! The most horrible thing in the world! Lose! Lose! Lose!
And when they finally batter the conservatives into submission and get their own candidate instead (which they've done the past 2 elections) they proceed to LOSE. Which, suddenly, isn't really all that bad a thing after all. Not when it's done by gracious gentlemen like themselves. No panic, fear or horror - just a genteel shrug and a promise to "work together" with the enemy.
And when they finally batter the conservatives into submission and get their own candidate instead (which they've done the past 2 elections) they proceed to LOSE. Which, suddenly, isn't really all that bad a thing after all. Not when it's done by gracious gentlemen like themselves. No panic, fear or horror - just a genteel shrug and a promise to "work together" with the enemy.
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at February 10, 2016 07:15 PM (gjLib)
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Filbert nuts are fucking shit.
Posted by: Dirty Randy at February 10, 2016 07:22 PM (nhHPu)
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Regarding the "eight-states-majority" thing: As I read it, that rule governs who can be put in for nomination on the *first* ballot.
That is--First ballot, the delegates have to choose among the candidates who got 50%+1 in at least 8 states. Delegates are still "pledged". So if nobody meets the threshhold--or someone or someones does, but doesn't have a majority of pledged delegates--then there's no winner on the first ballot.
In which case, you go to a second ballot. Delegates are free to vote for whomever they want, even if they didn't run in the primaries.
So you could certainly have the situation where Trump walks into the convention with a majority of the delegates but doesn't meet the 8-state-majority criterion (though it doesn't seem super-likely). In that case, the first ballot is dead, we go to the second ballot, and *if* his delegates are faithful, he's nominated. But if his delegates start jumping ship when they're free to do so, it's a mess.
More likely is: Nobody has a majority of the delegates, and nobody has 8 states. In which case, the 8-state rule doesn't matter. Once again, the first ballot is dead, and on the second ballot, it's a free-for-all--Trump needs to convince someone else's delegates to back him, or else Mitt Romney rides in on a white horse to save us all.
That is--First ballot, the delegates have to choose among the candidates who got 50%+1 in at least 8 states. Delegates are still "pledged". So if nobody meets the threshhold--or someone or someones does, but doesn't have a majority of pledged delegates--then there's no winner on the first ballot.
In which case, you go to a second ballot. Delegates are free to vote for whomever they want, even if they didn't run in the primaries.
So you could certainly have the situation where Trump walks into the convention with a majority of the delegates but doesn't meet the 8-state-majority criterion (though it doesn't seem super-likely). In that case, the first ballot is dead, we go to the second ballot, and *if* his delegates are faithful, he's nominated. But if his delegates start jumping ship when they're free to do so, it's a mess.
More likely is: Nobody has a majority of the delegates, and nobody has 8 states. In which case, the 8-state rule doesn't matter. Once again, the first ballot is dead, and on the second ballot, it's a free-for-all--Trump needs to convince someone else's delegates to back him, or else Mitt Romney rides in on a white horse to save us all.
Posted by: Andrew S. at February 10, 2016 08:31 PM (0I/a1)
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Fuck the GOP.
The GOP cannot be reformed--the organization is much too corrupt for that.
If we're ever again to have anything approaching representative government, the GOP must cease to exist as a major party.
Fuck the GOP.
The GOP cannot be reformed--the organization is much too corrupt for that.
If we're ever again to have anything approaching representative government, the GOP must cease to exist as a major party.
Fuck the GOP.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 10, 2016 09:00 PM (u5gzz)
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Oh Ace, you're such an optimist.
Posted by: dogfish at February 10, 2016 11:09 PM (0O2Lr)
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Cruz will patch things up with the Gope by picking Rubio as his VP. Rubio is still the next best campaigner, and is famously on-message.
Posted by: TallDave at February 11, 2016 05:41 AM (74ZYB)
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Good post Ace. Just saw this.
The Establishment didn't do something wrong, they ARE something wrong. They don't act soft, they became soft. They surrounded themselves with career politicians, tax users rather than tax payers, who put on a pair of Wranglers every so often and pretend like they "get it" in small cities between Reno and Harrisburg . Then they go back to Washington and laugh with power brokers about the stupidity of everyone outside of their bubble.
The best of the best are guilty of false advertising. The worst of the worst are truly slime. But none of them admit it's not stupidity, but rather optimism and a stronger dislike of the alternative, that's propped them up recently. That goodwill only goes so far, and you can only cast optimistic assumptions into the shredder so many times before they stop getting printed.
GOP, you're out of gas. This is probably the last chance you'll ever get to put up, and after that you go away. Rubio is not the answer. Jeb is not the answer. Kasich is not the answer. It's really not that hard, except when you don't want to work and your personal wealth and fame is inextricably linked to a bunch of narcissists who would be useless in a free market. Servant leaders will come back, or we'll do without leaders at all.
The Establishment didn't do something wrong, they ARE something wrong. They don't act soft, they became soft. They surrounded themselves with career politicians, tax users rather than tax payers, who put on a pair of Wranglers every so often and pretend like they "get it" in small cities between Reno and Harrisburg . Then they go back to Washington and laugh with power brokers about the stupidity of everyone outside of their bubble.
The best of the best are guilty of false advertising. The worst of the worst are truly slime. But none of them admit it's not stupidity, but rather optimism and a stronger dislike of the alternative, that's propped them up recently. That goodwill only goes so far, and you can only cast optimistic assumptions into the shredder so many times before they stop getting printed.
GOP, you're out of gas. This is probably the last chance you'll ever get to put up, and after that you go away. Rubio is not the answer. Jeb is not the answer. Kasich is not the answer. It's really not that hard, except when you don't want to work and your personal wealth and fame is inextricably linked to a bunch of narcissists who would be useless in a free market. Servant leaders will come back, or we'll do without leaders at all.
Posted by: 0302 at February 11, 2016 10:17 AM (wx6iv)
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Ace, your logic makes perfect sense except in the case where the interests that back the Republican establishment actually get more of what they want if a Democrat is elected (subsidies, interest rates, free trade and??) than if a non-establishment Republican candidate gets elected. That, I fear, has been at play for many a year across the fruited plain.
Yes, I am available to guest on your podcast.
Yes, I am available to guest on your podcast.
Posted by: Anonymous-9 at February 11, 2016 12:07 PM (vmHHv)
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Excellent post.
- Burned by the GOP in Kentucky
- Burned by the GOP in Kentucky
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 11, 2016 01:33 PM (LJRhX)
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