Here's Why I Am So Absolutely Opposed to Marco Rubio

The Establishment has a gameplan. The gameplan is to manage their voters and leave them with little choice but to accept the agenda they've set for us.

Here is what they are hoping: "Sure, the base will squawk and make big noises and rant on the internet, and sure, Rush Limbaugh will hit us, but if we just remain absolutely implacable, unwilling to budge an inch, eventually they will get over their temper tantrum and accept that We Always Win So There's No Use Resisting."

Now, obviously, amnesty is a major part of the Establishment's platform. In their 2012 post-mortem, the consultants, who are super-smart and know everything, made amnesty a central plank to winning in 2016.

The same as they'd previously thought it was the key to winning in 2006, 2008, 2010, etc...

Now, if we all squawk, and make noise, and have our tantrum, but then, in the end, dutifully support an Amensty Super-Hawk like Marco Rubio, precisely as the Establishment always planned for us to do, do you think they'll take that as a repudiation, and a sign that they must reform?

Or do you think, rather, they'll take that as a sign that they calculated the political math perfectly, and they knew our numbers to three decimal places, and they did everything right, and have successfully Managed their stupid, three-toothed inbred voters yet again?

Of course it's the latter.

They could not possibly take the nomination of Marco Rubio any other way. They would take it as total and complete vindication -- and they'd be right to do so, because it would in fact be total and complete vindication.

That's why, for me, Rubio cannot be permitted to win. For me -- you don't have to agree; we're all different, and we all have different priorities -- the Establishment cannot be permitted to walk out of this with a big W.

Even if I lose the election, an even worse outcome would be if I lose, and they win.

Again, you don't have to agree. We're Americans, we're permitted to think differently from each other.

But my priority is reforming the GOP into an institution which actually serves voters and not just the Chamber of Commerce and a dozen deep-pocketed, socially-liberal mega-donors, but a party that, when working class people tell them Disney is abusing the H-1B program to hire foreign workers and fire American ones, actually gives a shit, and does not just run over to Disney and ask for a campaign donation.

So for me, it has to be Cruz, or Trump. I'd prefer Cruz, as I keep saying. I'll take Trump, though, because, while he's kind of stupid and temperamentally unsuited for the job, he would nevertheless also serve as a repudiation of the Establishment's Corporate Client "Conservatism."

The GOP is nakedly now a "clientist" party the same as the Democrat Party. They just have different clients.

And those clients aren't us.

Some things the GOP does I don't mind, per se, but I object to the GOP making them a priority, while they give us Fake Votes and Failure Theater on our priorities. I'm sure the right to export oil crude is useful. I just don't think it's worth selling out every other agenda item to get.

A long time ago, the Washington Post described conservative voters as "poor, uneducated, and easily led."

I am beginning to fear they were right. If we once again snap our salutes and act like the hierarchy-loving drones the Washington Post had us pegged as -- if we once again give in to the Boehner-McConnell Axis of K Street -- then what the hell are we, except "uneducated and easily led?"

We are Americans, damn it. We are supposed to be unruly. We are supposed to be rebellious.

God did not make us to stand patiently in queues and politely clap for our leaders no matter how distant, corrupt, and dismissive.

That's why he made Canadians.

It is time to actually revolt. Not just talk about it -- actually do it. Actually let them know that we do have our limits, and those limits were passed sometime in 2015.

On the other hand -- if this is all just squawking and we all just want to be Managed by the Ruling Class into doing what they've decided is Best for us -- then by all means, vote for Marco Rubio.

Just let them know that at the end of the day, all you want to do is bark a little. Then, having barked your little stupid puppy heart out, you'll roll over and show them your belly, yet again.

Shall we permit them to manage and wrangle us, or will we finally take over the farm and start managing and wrangling them?

Choose wisely. Nothing at all depends on it, except everything.

Posted by: Ace at 04:16 PM

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1 Truer words were never written.

Posted by: Jess at January 25, 2016 04:18 PM (8olbK)

2 Rubio is an idiot. Anyone who can say on his first day in Officer he will reverse the Iran deal is either stupid and a fool who does not understand the irrreversability of it or is a liar...You pick

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 04:20 PM (kzdjp)

3 We need Ace to "moderate" one of the debates....

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 04:20 PM (EzgxV)

4 well said & spot on, Ace

Posted by: AltonJackson at January 25, 2016 04:20 PM (ZQfW9)

5 Dondi! Because!

Posted by: Yip at January 25, 2016 04:20 PM (e7T6D)

6 he would nevertheless also serve as a repudiation of the Establishment's Corporate Client "Conservatism."

This I'm not so sure about as you seem to be Ace. Trump is already backtracking to the GOPe in his stump comments, as in his now frequent promises to make deals with the establishment.

Posted by: MTF at January 25, 2016 04:21 PM (TxJGV)

7 Gang O' Eight. Period.

Posted by: trainer at January 25, 2016 04:21 PM (n4ArD)

8 We just keep disappointing Our Betters.

Well, not "we". Not all of us.

Just us little bitter-clinging, republican base morons.

And not just the Democrat Elites, but the GOPe too. Disappointment after disappointment. Tsk tsk tsk.

Somebody hafta do something about that.

Posted by: Bigby's Digital Manipulators at January 25, 2016 04:22 PM (3ZtZW)

9 As I have been hinting at.... Trump just hired Stephen Miller as a senior policy advisor, he had been a top aide to Jeff Sessions and played a role in opposing the gang of 8 amnesty.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 25, 2016 04:22 PM (COpZ4)

10 I'll take Trump, though, because, while he's kind of stupid.....

Posted by: Ace at 04:16 PM

Trump is many things, but stupid?

This oft-repeated criticism I find highly amusing.

Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at January 25, 2016 04:22 PM (TFWFz)

11 Boy those guys sure do look like they're having a good time, enjoying each other's company.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 25, 2016 04:23 PM (LA7Cm)

12 I'm not sure if it's worse to say he got rolled by Schumer and Co. or if he went right along because he agreed with them. Either way, you're too stupid to know you are getting rolled or you lied to your constituents when you ran for office. So, whatever happens - not voting for Rubio.

Posted by: PAgirlinNC at January 25, 2016 04:23 PM (IyKms)

13 Even if I lose the election, an even worse outcome would be if I lose, and they win.

and this is where I tend to balk. Because Hillary. What is truly worse than that?

Primaries are the time to fix things and get good candidates.

Posted by: Lea at January 25, 2016 04:23 PM (lIU4e)

14 You remain far more merciful than I regarding the GOP; whereas I no longer have any use for it other than as an object lesson, you still believe it can be reformed.

You know what? I hope you're right. We're on the same page, maybe a paragraph apart.

But yeah. It's time to hammer the SOBs. Maybe a few will learn...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 25, 2016 04:23 PM (9krrF)

15 ..

God did not make us to stand patiently in queues and cheer our leaders no matter how distant, corrupt, and dismissive.

That's why he made Canadians.

Ace.... bwhahahaaaa. Most excellent.

Posted by: Yip at January 25, 2016 04:24 PM (e7T6D)

16 Ace's manifesto.

Count me in.

Posted by: Kleiner at January 25, 2016 04:24 PM (rUfyz)

17 Mis amigos, we'd have nothing to fear with Marco Rubio in la Casa Blanca.

Posted by: Juan McLame at January 25, 2016 04:24 PM (H9MG5)

18 Rubio is an idiot. Anyone who can say on his first
day in Officer he will reverse the Iran deal is either stupid and a fool
who does not understand the irrreversability of it or is a liar...You
pick

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 04:20 PM (kzdjp)Anyone who can say that they'll build a wall and charge Mexico for it is either stupid or a liar, and those who support said candidate for the same reason are just gullible.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at January 25, 2016 04:24 PM (XrGnJ)

19 Begun, the Burning Times have.

Officially, anyway. I'm sure embers can be traced way far back, but it's nice to say something's started before it ends.

And how will it end? How things end. In fire.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at January 25, 2016 04:24 PM (zySRA)

20 I don't support X and anyone who does is insane, stupid, dangerous and has absolutely no rational explanation for their support of X.

Posted by: The Pundit Class and a few of the commenters here at January 25, 2016 04:25 PM (Wckf4)

21 Pre-emptive sock off.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 25, 2016 04:25 PM (Wckf4)

22 Trump is many things, but stupid?

This oft-repeated criticism I find highly amusing.

You don't last this long in his business by being stupid, bankruptcies notwithstanding. Believing Trump is a fool is the first step in losing to him.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 25, 2016 04:25 PM (9krrF)

23 "That's why he made Canadians."

Oh. Slam.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 25, 2016 04:25 PM (LA7Cm)

24 Cruz, Trump, or Sanders so we can start the Glorious Revolution!!!, and settle this once and for all.

Posted by: rd at January 25, 2016 04:25 PM (v0YLX)

25 Wow.

Where do I sign up?

Posted by: Furious George at January 25, 2016 04:25 PM (3GAnN)

26 In 2006 conservatives said amnesty cannot be allowed...but then they supported McCain.

In 2010 conservatives said Obamacare cannot be allowed...but then they supported Romney.

Conservatives have taught the GOPe that we will take whatever they dish out, and to Ace's point will continue to ignore our interests until we stop doing that.

I will point out though that I was saying the same thing in 2012. That out of all the candidates the one we can't support is Mitt Romneycare...and unfortunately most did not listen then...

I guarantee you that if a mere 20% of the republican base had voted for the conservative party candidate and the like in 2012 that we would NOT be dealing with a Republican leadership that is aggressively trying to sell us out like we are now.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 25, 2016 04:26 PM (X7E8f)

27 . For me -- you don't have to agree; we're all different, and we all have different priorities

What I am learning, to my chagrin, is that it is becoming clear that having different priorities is no longer allowed. Nope. Either everyone is on the same page and agrees about everything then U R TEH DUMB AND TEH STOOOPID AND U WNAT HILLARY TO WIN RACIST HATER!

Yeah. No.

If it weren't for this hive of villany and scum, I'd walk away from politics entirely. It's not worth it. It's not worth watching people set their minds on fire over this stuff.

For example, for me Rubio's co-sponsoring of CASA is more important than amnesty. That doesn't mean ace is wrong on amnesty. That doesn't mean he doesn't care about due process and the like. We have different priorities. And that's okay.

See! See how I can be reasonable! See!

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at January 25, 2016 04:26 PM (mf5HN)

28 "That's why, for me, Rubio cannot be permitted to win."
..............

And, if he gets the most votes?? Not likely.. but very possible with Cruz and Trump squabbling over less than 50%.

So.. not permitted?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 25, 2016 04:26 PM (so+oy)

29 they look satisfied with themselves.

i hope we make them shed a few tears

Posted by: willow at January 25, 2016 04:26 PM (PjWy4)

30 Totally agree, Ace. Only one problem you left unmentioned: if Trump or Cruz start to win or are the nominee, how much will they continue to resist? In the past, the conservative base has usually rallied behind the McCains and Romneys, but if the establishment views this as an existential threat, they may try to undermine the election. If they can't have the moderate amnisty squish run, make sure the alternative loses, so you have ammunition to run a moderate squish next time.

Posted by: Grimaldi at January 25, 2016 04:26 PM (kG9Ed)

31 So for me, it has to be Cruz, or Trump. I'd prefer Cruz, as I keep saying. I'll take Trump, though, because, while he's kind of stupid and temperamentally unsuited for the job, he would nevertheless also serve as a repudiation of the Establishment's Corporate Client "Conservatism."

Welcome to the dark side, Ace.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2016 04:26 PM (VDCWC)

32 You know the scene at the end of Animal House when the Delta guys say that this situation requires a stupid and futile gesture on someone's part?

And then they go wreck the parade?

Yeah, that's where we are.

Time to wreck the parade.

Posted by: Bluedog803 at January 25, 2016 04:27 PM (cbriZ)

33 Rubio is actually pretty conservative, he'd be my second pick after Cruz.

He's just really had really, really bad timing on the immigration issue -- he picked the worst issue to moderate on, at the worst possible time.

Once GOP voters get better acquainted with Donald "there's fucking nothing I won't say or do" Trump, there might still be a real Cruz/Rubio fight, but I can't see how Cruz could lose that one.

Posted by: TallDave at January 25, 2016 04:27 PM (74ZYB)

34 Thing is, if we get behind Cruz or Trump and then lose the general, I don't think the GOP will take the lesson you hope. They'll figure us dead-enders took them off a cliff, that there's no point in dealing with us. They'll look at Rubio, with his 90+% conservative ratings and say. "If that guy's not conservative enough, there's no dealing with these people."

They'll look left, to form more centrist coalitions and sell these folks Kasichs and Huntsmans. I don't think they'll take away the correct lesson if we lose the general behind Cruz or Trump.

Posted by: spongeworthy (@spongeworthy2)d at January 25, 2016 04:27 PM (xB4nF)

35 Rube-io sold us out.

I'm embarrassed to say I voted for him. BOTHO, I followed his campaign closely and he never gave any indication that he'd betray those of us who voted for him.

So there's that.

What I heard from him was a conservative American with a great love for the nation and the principles that uphold it. What I got from him was the same old tired anti-American Progressive Bullshit that we are both the cause and cure for all the world's problems and that he wanted to help TFP bring in a whole bunch of illiterate foreigners to replace us with.

He and his elitist ilk can fuck off. I'm tired of getting screwed by people who claim to act in my interest when they never do.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 25, 2016 04:27 PM (LUgeY)

36 Anyone who can say that they'll build a wall and charge Mexico for it is either stupid or a liar, and those who support said candidate for the same reason are just gullible.
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at January 25, 2016 04:24 PM (XrGnJ)

A) I don't support Trump

B) Yeah we can build a wall--actually that is the easy part--making Mexico pay for it, yeah not sure how myself but worth trying.

But good try

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 04:27 PM (kzdjp)

37 Rubio doesn't have a chance. Look at the latest polling, Trump is way out front everywhere followed by Cruz. Rubio is nowhere in sight.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 25, 2016 04:27 PM (iONHu)

38 He didn't get the name of RINO Rubio by doing nothing. He ran as a conservative and then sold us out on the Gang of 8 abortion. Piss on him. And the rest of the people running this year are not any better. Cruz is ready to sell us out as well.

Face it, we have no party.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 25, 2016 04:27 PM (t2KH5)

39 In case you haven't noticed, Ace, The Establishment (TM) has been lining up behind Trump.

And they do prefer Trump to Rubio, this is not mere gamesmanship.

And, of course, they prefer Rubio to Cruz by a mile. But they do like Trump.

Make no mistake:
(1) Trump validates the entire Obama plan for transforming America. He may have already split the Republican party, leaving an openly Socialist Democrat party as the majority.

(2) Trump will cave on immigration much faster and more thoroughly than Rubio. He's admitted it. He doesn't care.

I'd get your support of Trump 3 months ago for "bringing up the issue" but we're finished now. He's a clown.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:27 PM (Xd2w5)

40 That's why he made Canadians.

ISWYDT

Posted by: Cruz Birthers Everywhere at January 25, 2016 04:28 PM (GUBah)

41 How things -always- end.

Stupid iPhone, ruining my Moment of Ham.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at January 25, 2016 04:28 PM (zySRA)

42 Trump is many things, but stupid?

This oft-repeated criticism I find highly amusing.
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at January 25, 2016 04:22 PM (TFWFz)

He speaks like English is his third language.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:28 PM (Xd2w5)

43 Oh, and I don't know if Trump will screw over conservatives or not...I'm certainly worried about it if he is elected.

But I *know* that Bush, Rubio, etc will. So yeah I'll take Cruz, I'll settle for Trump, but if you give me the option of Hillary vs another GOPe lightweight I *will* again vote third party like I did in 2012...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 25, 2016 04:28 PM (X7E8f)

44 I'll take puppies for $100, Ace.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 04:28 PM (iQIUe)

45 Well said. But I would add that unlike McCain, Rubio does not have a wife's fortune to fall back on and could be quite literally for sale a la Clinton. If he got in the first thing he'd do is set up a Rubio Foundation to accept bribes, I mean contributions.

Posted by: CLN at January 25, 2016 04:28 PM (/L5rT)

46 Rubio is an idiot. Anyone who can say on his first day in Officer he will reverse the Iran deal is either stupid and a fool who does not understand the irrreversability of it or is a liar...You pick

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 04:20 PM (kzdjp)

Well, to be contrarian, the next President doesn't have to reverse the "deal", just repudiate it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 04:28 PM (Z8fuk)

47 I'm opposed to him because he has big giant dumbo ears!

Posted by: Frrrrrunkus at January 25, 2016 04:28 PM (hfEd9)

48 For example, for me Rubio's co-sponsoring of CASA is more important than amnesty. That doesn't mean ace is wrong on amnesty. That doesn't mean he doesn't care about due process and the like. We have different priorities. And that's okay.

Trump & Cruz are sorta like the 2nd Amendment.

Without them, the rest don't matter.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2016 04:29 PM (VDCWC)

49
The New York Times

Marco Rubio's musical tastes run toward EDM* and Nicki Minaj.

*Electronic dance music

That alone.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 04:29 PM (kdS6q)

50 I think it's safe to say that this post is revolting.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 25, 2016 04:29 PM (Wckf4)

51 He speaks like English is his third language.
___
Let me, uh, be clear, um, like, uh, we shouldn't, uh, judge, uh, people by their, uh, literacy in like English...as I have, uh, always said.

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 25, 2016 04:29 PM (X7E8f)

52 I will point out though that I was saying the same thing in 2012. That out of all the candidates the one we can't support is Mitt Romneycare...and unfortunately most did not listen then...
---------------
My old man saw this one coming. I was bright-eyed and bushy-tailed and excited to fight the good conservative fight for the nominee, who was better than Obama no matter how bad he was.

We got screwed.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 04:29 PM (xuouz)

53 Donald Trump attacks McConnell's rival for Senate : http://tinyurl.com/jc5ndol

I guess he wants people he can make deals with in the Senate.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 25, 2016 04:29 PM (TJCSB)

54 Even if I lose the election, an even worse outcome would be if I lose, and they win.

I appreciated the sentiment, Ace. When it comes to Rubio, though, Mike Murphy and Jeb Bush seem to agree with you here. I expect that plan to be as productive for you as it is for them.

Posted by: AD at January 25, 2016 04:29 PM (QWY55)

55 It's not worth it. It's not worth watching people set their minds on fire over this stuff.

For example, for me Rubio's co-sponsoring of CASA is more important than amnesty.

See! See how I can be reasonable! See!
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at January 25, 2016 04:26 PM (mf5HN)

we do all have different priorities, i double down on Open borders, and fiscal crazy town where THEY are not responsible but We the people are left holding the bag.

and more spiked tea.

Posted by: willow at January 25, 2016 04:29 PM (PjWy4)

56 Rubio is actually pretty conservative, he'd be my second pick after Cruz.

/looks at Gang of Eight and CASA

/laughs hysterically

"Conservative" is clearly a meaningless term now.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 25, 2016 04:29 PM (9krrF)

57 Rubio is a complete non-starter for me; amnesty is why, Gang of Eight is why, and plenty of others. He's the Establishment tool.

Right now, my attitude is Cruz or Fourth Box. And from an electoral point of view, if it's Trump, Trump is solely there as a weapon to destroy the GOPe. Cruz to get back on the rails; Trump to hasten the burning Times.

Posted by: Qoheleth at January 25, 2016 04:29 PM (iIzG7)

58 Everyone left me again, but I'm not for Rubio either, I'd rather go for someone everybody hates, I mean really hates so much good established Republicans just can't stand him, Democrats should fear him that you can tell just by their vitriol .

Posted by: Skip at January 25, 2016 04:29 PM (hk3Fb)

59 Here's the thing. Marco has repudiated his support for amnesty. While he is no where near the immigration positions of Cruz and Trump, he has repudiated that bill. He basically says that he has 'heard' the American public and understands their point and has thus adjusted his position. He does leave open the possibility of re-adopting some version of amnesty, but the pre-conditions he has set are such that I think amnesty is a different question entirely in that 'new' policy world than it is now. YMMV.

So, this isn't Mitt Romney and Romneycare - he expressly refused to repudiate it and continued to defend that policy (yeah, he said it was different from Obamacare - but he didn't repudiate it).

Second, on just about everything else (yes, I too am concerned with his support for the campus sexual assault bill), he is rock-red conservative. His positions are simply miles apart from the establishment. He is socially conservative, he is economically conservative. The establishment is neither of these things. Trump is waaaaay closer to the establishment on those two issue dimensions than Rubio is. Yeah, Rubio is a McCain clone on foreign policy - but so are a big portion of the conservative electorate.

All that is to argue this - just because Rubio is the most establishment-ish of the electable alternatives doesn't make him the establishment candidate. It's hard to argue that a guy whose positions are 95% yours, and 5% GOPe, is an establishment win and a you-loss. D.GOOCH

Posted by: GOOCH at January 25, 2016 04:30 PM (cxLzw)

60 But for the open borders snafu, he could have been a contender.
Big booboos matter.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at January 25, 2016 04:30 PM (FtrY1)

61 He speaks like English is his third language.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:28 PM (Xd2w5)

Who are you *for*?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 04:30 PM (xuouz)

62 After the election, when we lose, can we all move to South Park, up in Manitoba?

Posted by: the littl shyning man at January 25, 2016 04:30 PM (U6f54)

63 Its a compelling argument Ace, though I'm not sure I am willing to go there, specifically with Rubio. Nor am I convinced that electing Trump really sends that message. It might, but I am afraid it just sends the message that "the base had a hissy fit, oh well, we'll still coopt Trump for our purposes."

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2016 04:30 PM (gmeXX)

64 You've never answered the question.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 04:30 PM (xuouz)

65 Lefty are going nuts over this:

http://blindgossip.com/?p=76202

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 04:30 PM (iQIUe)

66 fuckin a right, Ace

Posted by: some guy at January 25, 2016 04:30 PM (xWZiA)

67 Well, to be contrarian, the next President doesn't have to reverse the "deal", just repudiate it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 04:28 PM (Z8fuk)

yeah to what end?

They already got 150 Billion
Sanctions lifted
The EU and the rest of the world are yawning over Iran and in for the trade hand or foot
They have the Bomb.

So repudiate it? So what!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 04:30 PM (kzdjp)

68
Stuff Mike Mensa Says?

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 04:30 PM (cfrRc)

69 You don't last this long in his business by being stupid, bankruptcies notwithstanding. Believing Trump is a fool is the first step in losing to him.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 25, 2016 04:25 PM (9krrF)

You can be remarkably successful if you're stupid, as long as you're dishonest.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:30 PM (Xd2w5)

70 >>Anyone who can say that they'll build a wall and charge Mexico for it is either stupid or a liar, and those who support said candidate for the same reason are just gullible.

And the people who have bought the GOP's "build the wall first!" pronouncements while agreeing to everything else the Dems wanted...without ever enforcing that or any of the immigration laws on the books since then are what, exactly?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 25, 2016 04:31 PM (NOIQH)

71 B) Yeah we can build a wall--actually that is the easy part--making Mexico pay for it, yeah not sure how myself but worth trying.

Tax the hell out of remittances headed south.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2016 04:31 PM (VDCWC)

72 Rubios trash is conflicted. It is glad the gratuitous rummaging is over, but it kinda misses the attention.

Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at January 25, 2016 04:31 PM (haWHk)

73 Time to wreck the parade. Word

Posted by: Yip at January 25, 2016 04:31 PM (e7T6D)

74
Excellent.

Perfect Post.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2016 04:31 PM (ODxAs)

75 You can't blame them for thinking this way. McCain and Romney, for example.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 25, 2016 04:31 PM (4ErVI)

76
I'm an Independent voter, but I'm voting for obama because I want to help make history.

-- Mensa Mike, 2008

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 04:31 PM (cfrRc)

77 I agree, I too am tired of voting for these jackholes based on promises they never intend to keep.

Posted by: lonetown at January 25, 2016 04:31 PM (M6Esb)

78 And the freaken foreign policy that not only are they allowing But also covering up for it.

Posted by: willow at January 25, 2016 04:31 PM (PjWy4)

79

Also, Rubio is a voodoo cultist who sacrifices people's house pets in diabolic Santeria ceremonies.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 04:31 PM (kdS6q)

80 "Marco Rubio's musical tastes run toward EDM* and Nicki Minaj.

*Electronic dance music

That alone....."

Holy Hell.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 25, 2016 04:32 PM (LA7Cm)

81 THIS ... x1000 ...

And I will vote for trump not because he is better than cruz but because I don't think cruz can win, the LIV have no idea who he is....

Posted by: E.T. at January 25, 2016 04:32 PM (yq4gk)

82 I'd get your support of Trump 3 months ago for "bringing up the issue" but we're finished now. He's a clown.>>>

Don't you love farce?

My fault, I fear.

I thought that you'd want what I want -

Sorry, my dear.

But where are the clowns?

Quick, send in the clowns.

Don't bother, they're here.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 25, 2016 04:32 PM (XtAzU)

83
He and his elitist ilk can fuck off. I'm tired of getting screwed by people who claim to act in my interest when they never do.
***
Yep.

If the GOPe is just going to give the country away via amnesty, then I say we make sure the GOPe also gets cap gains tax increases and minimum wages.

It is all sorts of wrong that we need to play MAD with our nominal coalition allies but they've been more focused on screwing us then anything else for the last 10 years...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 25, 2016 04:32 PM (X7E8f)

84 Trump is solely there as a weapon to destroy the GOPe.

This.

All the conservative goals will get nowhere until the Party is gutted.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 25, 2016 04:32 PM (oVJmc)

85 Mikey NTH's Political Debate Rules:

(1) You may have a battleaxe or a broadsword, but not both.

(2) You may paint your shield in any fashion that you think will help your cause, i.e. painting your donation hotline on your shield is acceptable.

(3) You may take trophies, such as ears or a blood eagle.

(4) You must return to your neutral corner for commercial breaks; those unable to do so because of injury or death will be tossed to the honey badger.

(5) Let the slaughter begin!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Exclusive! Temper Your Tantrum with Flammable Die-Grease! at January 25, 2016 04:32 PM (hLRSq)

86 >>That's why he made Canadians.

BOOM!

Posted by: DONALD TRUMP at January 25, 2016 04:32 PM (TJCSB)

87 18
Rubio is an idiot. Anyone who can say on his first

day in Officer he will reverse the Iran deal is either stupid and a fool

who does not understand the irrreversability of it or is a liar...You

pick

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 04:20 PM (kzdjp)Anyone
who can say that they'll build a wall and charge Mexico for it is
either stupid or a liar, and those who support said candidate for the
same reason are just gullible.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at January 25, 2016 04:24 PM (XrGnJ)

Tax remittances. Mexico would pay for the wall, but wouldn't necessarily write a check.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 04:32 PM (EzgxV)

88 You can be remarkably successful if you're stupid, as long as you're dishonest.

That's ridiculous. How can you possibly...

/looks at Congress

...question retracted.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 25, 2016 04:32 PM (9krrF)

89 This post made me feel a little like the Grinch...except that it wasn't my heart that grew three sizes.

Posted by: Coleman at January 25, 2016 04:32 PM (FVCA4)

90 sips alex's tea. makes another cup.

Posted by: willow at January 25, 2016 04:32 PM (PjWy4)

91 Excellent, excellent post, Ace. And it's exactly where I'm at, in my poor, uneducated, easily-led brain pan.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at January 25, 2016 04:33 PM (pVkEV)

92 Nevergiveup and a year to work with (150 B) to boot

Posted by: Skip at January 25, 2016 04:33 PM (hk3Fb)

93 he would nevertheless also serve as a repudiation of the Establishment's Corporate Client "Conservatism.

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Would he? I simply have my doubts.

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2016 04:33 PM (gmeXX)

94 Rubio is dead to me since the moment in the photo at the top.

Posted by: steevy at January 25, 2016 04:33 PM (8HTq1)

95 I agree with you on the establishment and Rubio. Both cant be permitted to win.

But I dont see Trump as a repudiation of the GOPes corporate clientelism. Trumps brags openly about buying off politicians and he would continue playing that game on the other side, if we put him into the Oval Office.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at January 25, 2016 04:33 PM (cexFM)

96 >We are Americans, damn it. We are supposed to be unruly. We are supposed to be rebellious.

>God did not make us to stand patiently in queues and cheer our leaders no matter how distant, corrupt, and dismissive.

>That's why he made Canadians.

That's gold, Ace! Gold.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at January 25, 2016 04:33 PM (3dOE/)

97 Spot on.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2016 04:33 PM (wo3jg)

98 34 Thing is, if we get behind Cruz or Trump and then lose the general, I don't think the GOP will take the lesson you hope. They'll figure us dead-enders took them off a cliff, that there's no point in dealing with us. They'll look at Rubio, with his 90+% conservative ratings and say. "If that guy's not conservative enough, there's no dealing with these people."

Yep. And that would be it for conservatism of any stripe. We'll have a socialist party and a socialist party that has some Christians -- like Europe.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:33 PM (Xd2w5)

99 34 Thing is, if we get behind Cruz or Trump and then lose the general, I don't think the GOP will take the lesson you hope. They'll figure us dead-enders took them off a cliff, that there's no point in dealing with us. They'll look at Rubio, with his 90+% conservative ratings and say. "If that guy's not conservative enough, there's no dealing with these people."

They'll look left, to form more centrist coalitions and sell these folks Kasichs and Huntsmans. I don't think they'll take away the correct lesson if we lose the general behind Cruz or Trump.

Posted by: spongeworthy

I'm totally ok with them being officially Dim-lite.

The Whigs were a party too once, ya know...

Posted by: JarvisW at January 25, 2016 04:33 PM (2ORZK)

100 WHAT ABOUT YOUR YACHTS MR RUBIO??!!

Posted by: DONALD TRUMP at January 25, 2016 04:33 PM (TJCSB)

101 I don't think Ace thinks Trump is stupid. But that is a shorthand way of saying his way of talking to voters is geared at roping in the stupid.

Before hammering me for saying Trump voters are stupid, what I mean is that Trump isn't only talking to informed voters or particularly ideological ones, but tailoring his approach to appeal to others besides.

Or maybe Ace thinks Trump is a dumbass. I'm just spitballin'.

Posted by: spongeworthy at January 25, 2016 04:34 PM (xB4nF)

102 So...lonely...

Posted by: Marco Rubio's Garbage at January 25, 2016 04:34 PM (FwRqg)

103
Mensa Mike won't vote for Rubio. Not Conservative enough.
Mensa Mike will vote for Bernie Sanders instead.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 04:34 PM (cfrRc)

104 Lefty are going nuts over this:

http://blindgossip.com/?p=76202
***
Isn't that Barney Frank?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 25, 2016 04:34 PM (X7E8f)

105 I'll take Trump, though, because, while he's kind of stupid and temperamentally unsuited for the job, he would nevertheless also serve as a repudiation of the Establishment's Corporate Client "Conservatism."

I would have agreed a month ago. Now that I've read a little bit more about Trump, though, I realize I was a fucking idiot to think that Trump is going to buck the Establishment. He's their perfect candidate, almost the mirror image of Obama -- where people projected their own positions on Obama because of his vague sweeping generalizations, they do the same with Trump because everything he says is so fucking stupid (e.g. his plan for Iraq is to "take their oil") that no one actually believes he could possible mean it.

But at the end of the day, Trump has no principles except crony capitalism and self-aggrandizement. The only wall he's going to build is around DC, to protect the lobbyists from small-gov't conservatives.

Posted by: TallDave at January 25, 2016 04:34 PM (74ZYB)

106 President Trump will ram more amnesty down your throat than you can begin to imagine.

BTW, what's the history of Melanie's legal immigration status?

Posted by: Joe at January 25, 2016 04:34 PM (+sBcP)

107 Well said, GOOCH

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 25, 2016 04:34 PM (so+oy)

108 "Marco Rubio's musical tastes run toward EDM* and Nicki Minaj.

wtf

Posted by: brak at January 25, 2016 04:34 PM (xwPSp)

109 I was told that the establishment ran everything and that's why an outsider or a True Conservative could never get the nomination. Trump is crushing the polls and Cruz is second.

I'm not supporting Rubio in the primaries, I want Cruz, but I will vote for the Republican nominee over Hillary or Bernie. It has nothing to do with teaching anyone lessons. I don't want 4 or 8 more years of liberal bullshit which will make this country completely unrecognizable from the one I grew up in.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2016 04:34 PM (Hxh2/)

110 The minute Rubio went over to the dark side with immigration he was done. I hope for the rest of his life he realizes that particular betrayal cost him the presidency, for without it he would otherwise be running away with the nomination.

Just like Christie. The fat man could have won in 2012 were it not for his bromance with Obama. Sure he can hurl invective and ad hominems at us like we're small children for observing his betrayal. But again, he can look at his kissy face photos with Obama and realize for the rest of his life that treachery cost him the presidency.

I am so over weak ineffectual, effeminate loser candidates. By the way- has anyone seen Mitt Romney lately?

Trump may have taken a lot of different positions. But I think he will pretty much kick Washington in the nuts. I really don't think he''ll be compromised by the K Street crowd and money. HE has a need to be liked too much.

Which is sad isn't it? We have to vote for a guy who is a bit egotistic and wants to be liked by us, in order to have get our government back.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2016 04:34 PM (GGCsk)

111 >>>Here's the thing. Marco has repudiated his support for amnesty. While
he is no where near the immigration positions of Cruz and Trump, he has
repudiated that bill. He basically says that he has 'heard' the
American public and understands their point and has thus adjusted his
position. He does leave open the possibility of re-adopting some
version of amnesty, but the pre-conditions he has set are such that I
think amnesty is a different question entirely in that 'new' policy
world than it is now. YMMV.<<<

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Yeah, sure, he may have said that in English, but what does he say in Espanol when he talks to Telemundo or Univision when he doesnt think anyone is paying attention???

Posted by: zombie Yasser Arafat, approves of Marco's tactics at January 25, 2016 04:34 PM (H9MG5)

112 Um, who is that blind gossip supposed to be about? All I could think of was Obama...

Posted by: Lizzy at January 25, 2016 04:34 PM (NOIQH)

113 Trump is solely there as a weapon to destroy the GOPe.

This.

All the conservative goals will get nowhere until the Party is gutted.

------------

How does Trump destroy the party?

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2016 04:34 PM (gmeXX)

114 Yes, Ace, you say this today. But will you still say it 3, 5, or 6 months from now? Or will you say that principle is nice, but only a "purist" would be so committed to getting his own way that he'd throw the election to the Democrats just to teach the Republicans a lesson?

I'm afraid you'll get cold feet when it's time to pull the trigger. And by the time the election comes, you'll have been swayed by all the usual GOPe slogans that have always worked in the past: Supreme Court! Handing the country to the Democrats! A vote for ________ is basically a vote for Hillary!

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at January 25, 2016 04:34 PM (gjLib)

115 I'll repeat this. My husband was a projected manager for a company that built steel bridges, big ones like the Benicia bridge in CA. He knows steel and gets a certain look in his eyes when he talks about it.

I watched the rally where Trump first talked about building the wall. He was specific and mentioned a particular product that his crews have used before. Same look my husband gets when discussing steel. There might be other reasons a wall doesn't get built, but Trump knows how to physically build it. And I am tired of the solutions politicians and lawyers trot out.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 25, 2016 04:35 PM (Lqy/e)

116 "(B) Yeah we can build a wall--actually that is the easy part--making
Mexico pay for it, yeah not sure how myself but worth trying."

Tax the living crap out of remittances.

Posted by: Qoheleth at January 25, 2016 04:35 PM (iIzG7)

117 (1) You may have a battleaxe or a broadsword, but not both.

This is blatantly discriminatory against dual-wielders.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 25, 2016 04:35 PM (9krrF)

118 Just love that picture of Rubio. Schumer's grinning like he has Marco's nuts in his pocket.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 25, 2016 04:35 PM (8ZskC)

119 Look, there's Amy Schumer's Uncle Chuckie.

Picture begs to be captioned.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2016 04:35 PM (FsuaD)

120 the Establishment cannot be permitted to walk out of this with a big W.
Even if I lose the election, an even worse outcome would be if I lose, and they win.

Thread Winnah!

Posted by: Dark Helmet at January 25, 2016 04:35 PM (yvwr7)

121 53 Donald Trump attacks McConnell's rival for Senate : http://tinyurl.com/jc5ndol

But what the hell, right. He'll teach that darned Establishment a lesson.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:35 PM (Xd2w5)

122 Your lifetime conservative "voting record" doesn't mean a damn thing when there's one or two REALLY BIG GIANT FVCKING GIVEAWAYS TO THE LEFT.

Rubio doesn't even deserve a second term as senator.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 25, 2016 04:35 PM (Wckf4)

123 The reason I find it difficult to take all the anti-establishment talk seriously is because, when all is said and done, the anti-establishment crowd will vote for the R prez nominee one way or the other, and has history has shown us most of the current congress critters will win re-election, so on November 9 nothing will have changed, same old party, same old shit. If you want actual change, you have to actually change and vote third party.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at January 25, 2016 04:36 PM (1Wyg2)

124 Alternate headline: Ace agrees with Mike Murphy

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:36 PM (Xd2w5)

125 So for me, it has to be Cruz, or Trump. I'd prefer Cruz, as I keep
saying. I'll take Trump, though, because, while he's kind of stupid and
temperamentally unsuited for the job, he would nevertheless also serve
as a repudiation of the Establishment's Corporate Client "Conservatism."

---

I agree. Cruz is medicine, and Trump is ipecac. One will make you better, the other will make you throw up, which may make you feel better.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 25, 2016 04:36 PM (Qvgg/)

126 And I will vote for trump not because he is better than cruz but because I don't think cruz can win, the LIV have no idea who he is....

Posted by: E.T. at January 25, 2016 04:32 PM (yq4gk)

------------

Yes, ^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^.

Oh, and yes Rubio is a pissant fo sho

Posted by: Stay out da Bushes at January 25, 2016 04:36 PM (rZJS9)

127 "That's why he made Canadians."

Unnecessary and unseemly poor attempt at humor. Canadians were standing shoulder to shoulder with the British while Americans were watching Ford ship cars to Hitler.
Do not underestimate Canada. We may be one tenth the population of the US, but our soldiers have always bloodied the noses of international bullies. By the way, you got that house rebuilt after 1812 I see.

Posted by: doowleb at January 25, 2016 04:36 PM (r+Gn+)

128 Now, obviously, amnesty is a major part of the Establishment's platform. In their 2012 post-mortem, the consultants, who are super-smart and know everything, made amnesty a central plank to winning in 2016.

----_

Two days after the election John Boehner was talking about working with Obama on Comprehensive Immigration Reform. That's when I was done with these worthless lying establishment cock suckers.

Posted by: Buzzion at January 25, 2016 04:36 PM (z/Ubi)

129 I'm with you ace. Eleventy1!!11 percent. Now or never because this tide rises only once in a very great while.

Fvck the Vichy Uniparty. With a Pineapple. Sideways. Repeatedly. Until they no longer have a controlling voice in matters of state and, more importantly, the people.

Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at January 25, 2016 04:37 PM (g1MTt)

130 What did Breitbart say?

WAR.

Posted by: jmel at January 25, 2016 04:37 PM (36RUB)

131 Some day soon the Establishment is going to realize their imprimatur on any candidate is the kiss of death. If that's all Trump accomplishes, I can die happy.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2016 04:37 PM (GGCsk)

132 While he is no where near the immigration positions of Cruz and Trump,

Cruz was for tripling H1Bs.
Trump chastised Romney for his harshness on the issue.

Make no mistake, if you think Rubio's pandering, so are these two.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:37 PM (Xd2w5)

133 and this is where I tend to balk. Because Hillary. What is truly worse than that?

Primaries are the time to fix things and get good candidates.
Posted by: Lea at January 25, 2016 04:23 PM (lIU4e)

Worse is having no party that represents you at all. The GOPe counts on you holding your nose for their candidate because the other candidate is worse.

Posted by: WOPR at January 25, 2016 04:37 PM (LTDSy)

134 By the way, the Democrat Party is dead too. Their establishment doesn't get it either.
The American landscape is littered with their failure and they have no answwers -- only empty platitutes and cries of victimhood to fill their 5-second soundbites.
We are purging our decaying flesh from the body Republican.
The Democrats aren't.
First party to purge wins the future.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2016 04:37 PM (ATVNj)

135 How does Trump destroy the party?

Technically it destroys himself in reaction to him. Sort of like anaphylactic shock. That's the plan, anyway.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 25, 2016 04:37 PM (9krrF)

136 Second, on just about everything else (yes, I too am concerned with his
support for the campus sexual assault bill), he is rock-red
conservative. His positions are simply miles apart from the
establishment. He is socially conservative, he is economically
conservative.

You mean like his support for kangaroo courts for collegiate males?

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2016 04:37 PM (YXmuI)

137 See! See how I can be reasonable! See!
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD

Paging Admiral Ackbar. Admiral Ackbar to the white courtesy phone.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 25, 2016 04:37 PM (1xUj/)

138 Anyone but Trump or Cruz and the GOPe will have succeeded. The GOPe will throw the election to keep Cruz out.... and if somehow Cruz won??.... they'd undermine his administration at every level possible along with the media and the Donks.

At least the Donald will go nuts and sign E.O's on 'em . Cruz stikes me as the noble fighter who will try to fight the machine and will be Mr. Smith Goes to Washington... with paperboys getting run over and shit.

Posted by: Yip at January 25, 2016 04:38 PM (e7T6D)

139 Posted by: doowleb at January 25, 2016 04:36 PM (r+Gn+)

Apparently God also made Canadians so there would always be someone that gets offended by a silly one off joke.

Posted by: Buzzion at January 25, 2016 04:38 PM (z/Ubi)

140 71
B) Yeah we can build a wall--actually that is the easy part--making
Mexico pay for it, yeah not sure how myself but worth trying.

Tax the hell out of remittances headed south.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2016 04:31 PM (VDCWC)

Great minds......and Morons....

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 04:38 PM (EzgxV)

141 what really bugs me is those saying any republican is better. i say a couple might be .

I have yet to see a majority of republicans in power actually do much to stop Obama. they also didn't stop dems when Dems changed shit when they had the majority. They rolled over the same way.

so what is the difference?

Posted by: willow at January 25, 2016 04:38 PM (PjWy4)

142 Cruz is a smart guy, went to Harvard. HE'S ALSO NUTZ! The Republican leadership is solidly behind me because Cruz won't play ball! Megyn Kelly is a dirty whore.

Posted by: DONALD TRUMP at January 25, 2016 04:38 PM (TJCSB)

143 Who are you *for*?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 04:30 PM (xuouz)

Amish Dude would vote for any lawyer, over Trump.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 04:38 PM (Z8fuk)

144 Damn straight, screw rubio

Posted by: Draki at January 25, 2016 04:38 PM (lNK80)

145 >>Two days after the election John Boehner was talking about working with Obama on Comprehensive Immigration Reform. That's when I was done with these worthless lying establishment cock suckers.

And a couple weeks before making his announcement, Trump was calling Romney stupid for his "mean" stance on illegals. But it's cool cause he said something different later and totally means it now. Cause he's yuuuuge. And classy.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2016 04:38 PM (Hxh2/)

146 God did not make us to stand patiently in queues and cheer our leaders no matter how distant, corrupt, and dismissive.

That's why he made Canadians.

This brightened my day.

Posted by: Chris at January 25, 2016 04:38 PM (bpfuQ)

147 Conservatives did not support Romney. The jackass primary schedule is what got him the nomination. And it hasn't changed. RINO Rubio now has a good chance of winning, especially if Trump fizzles out.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 25, 2016 04:39 PM (t2KH5)

148 I don't know who this Americo Rubio character is, but he has got to go!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 25, 2016 04:39 PM (4ErVI)

149 Good post Ace.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 25, 2016 04:39 PM (iHjB5)

150 Well, I wanted an absolute raging bull in a china shop to just wreck things. But figured that ain't gonna happen,

So I've been a "Let it Burn" guy for a few happy years now, and I was gonna vote Archie Bunker for my write-in candidate.

But then Trump descended from the clouds (I saw him on TV, coming in fast in his helicopter) and the angels were singing (OK, that was my Christmas CD playing in the background),

But still...

Posted by: FredB at January 25, 2016 04:39 PM (QrVbp)

151
The usual douches on the Right are out there saying Trump is killing the Conservative movement. (If by bowel movement, I concur.)

You know what's next? The headline after Trump wins the nom "The Conservative Movement Is Dead."

To which I say: WHAT CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT?

If Conservatism was flesh and blood, buzzards picked its bones clean in 2005.

Conservatism USA: 1773-2005

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 04:39 PM (cfrRc)

152 The problem with the "he votes conservative 90% of the time" is that the 90% is composed of Failure Theater votes and that the remaining 10% consists of favoring immigration-by-deluge, sensible gun safety measures, and supporting corporate welfare.

Posted by: Furious George at January 25, 2016 04:39 PM (3GAnN)

153 I strongly prefer Cruz, but will take Trump. Ultimately, I lie if I say I will not vote against the dem whoever the option may be.

There remains a nagging suspicion that the MSM is keeping the anti-Trump info quiet for now, but the second he gets the nomination that we will find out he "violated" many rules along the way. They like their GOP candidates wounded at the right time

Posted by: CLN at January 25, 2016 04:39 PM (/L5rT)

154 Do not underestimate Canada. We may be one tenth the population of the US, but our soldiers have always bloodied the noses of international bullies. By the way, you got that house rebuilt after 1812 I see.

Need help finishing the job?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2016 04:39 PM (VDCWC)

155 I'll take Trump, though, because, while he's kind of stupid and temperamentally unsuited for the job, he would nevertheless also serve as a repudiation of the Establishment's Corporate Client "Conservatism."
---

I guess to buy into this logic I'd:

(1) have to believe that the stories/reports of GOPers on Capitol Hill and in the donor class saying they'd prefer Trump over Cruz are complete hogwash. That's certainly possible, but I've also seen this mindset from some of the Right pundits; and

(2) I'd have to ignore that Trump has been a major participant in Corporate Conservatism through his actions/donations and his recent statements about making deals once elected.

I'm not sure I can vote for Rubio, even in the general. That's how shaken my trust is in him. In my case I'll decide based on whether or not I believe the GOP nominee is going to serve enough of my interests, by accident if not through his/her principles.

But I *know* that I can't vote for Trump. I really think his temperamental unsuitability is not just about style. I think he'd be an extremely bad, and possibly dangerous, Commander-in-Chief.

So it's all in on Cruz in the primary. If Cruz doesn't make it, I'll have to decide case-by-case which of the much less palatable candidates I might be able to support.

Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2016 04:39 PM (t5zYU)

156 130 What did Breitbart say? WAR.
______________________

I believe the exact quote was "Fuck you!War!"

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2016 04:39 PM (4AVeu)

157 How does Trump destroy the party?

Technically it destroys himself in reaction to him.

---------------

What do you mean? How so?

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2016 04:39 PM (gmeXX)

158 Who are you *for*?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 04:30 PM (xuouz)

I am for being against Trump. He's not a serious choice for being next to the red button.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:39 PM (Xd2w5)

159 Thanks Ace. 100% brother.

Posted by: Matty at January 25, 2016 04:40 PM (SgYQy)

160 My husband was a projected manager for a company that built steel bridges, big ones like the Benicia bridge in CA. He knows steel and gets a certain look in his eyes when he talks about it.

I watched the rally where Trump first talked about building the wall. He was specific and mentioned a particular product that his crews have used before. Same look my husband gets when discussing steel.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 25, 2016 04:35 PM (Lqy/e)

Reardon Metal?

Posted by: Country Singer at January 25, 2016 04:40 PM (GUBah)

161 " By the way, you got that house rebuilt after 1812 I see. "

Touchy, touchy....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 25, 2016 04:40 PM (LA7Cm)

162 Has Ace stated whether he will support Rubio in a general election if he gets the nomination?

Posted by: Waingro at January 25, 2016 04:40 PM (guxWS)

163 We're on nobody's side because nobody's on our side. Also, we're surrounded.

As such, we have recalibrated our weapons for MAXIMUM CHAOS. All other action plans fall along the Uniparty's timeline, which sees us giving up and having our throats slit without firing a shot.

We are aware this is a roll of the dice and that inbound artillery could land on our position.

Considering our current position we consider this an acceptable risk. At the very least we might take a few of them with us.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 04:41 PM (xuouz)

164 "Rubio is an idiot. Anyone who can say on his first day in Officer he
will reverse the Iran deal is either stupid and a fool who does not
understand the irrreversability of it or is a liar...You pick"

After Rubio's having voted for the facially unconstitutional Corker "enabling" bill to let the Iran deal be shoved through with fewer votes than normally required for a treaty, which this fiasco actually is: a treaty.

And as far as irreversibility, yep, there ain't getting back any of that roughly $150B (plus generous interest Uncle Sugar has meekly agreed to pay) once the money has been wired into Tehran's foreign accounts.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2016 04:41 PM (noWW6)

165 NGU, What is there to reverse?

Obama already gave them the money, lifted the international sanctions, and is looking the other way as they build their ballistic missiles.

Iran is getting nuclear weapons. It is inevitable.

Just like when Obama pulled out of Iraq and ISIS stepped into the vacuum. Libya, where Obama overthrew Qadaffi, apnd now we have an Islamic hell-hole with a dozen tribes fighting over the ruins and the oil revenues, but mostly the oil revenues.

Posted by: rd at January 25, 2016 04:41 PM (v0YLX)

166
The GOP is the Mensa Mike party.

GFY, GOP.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 04:41 PM (cfrRc)

167 They already got 150 Billion

seize whatever Iranian assets you can

Sanctions lifted

reimpose sanctions

The EU and the rest of the world are yawning over Iran and in for the trade hand or foot
They have the Bomb.

nuke 'em til they glow, and shoote them in the dark

So repudiate it? So what!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 04:30 PM (kzdjp)

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 04:41 PM (Z8fuk)

168 The problem with the "he votes conservative 90% of the time" is that the 90% is composed of Failure Theater votes and that the remaining 10% consists of favoring immigration-by-deluge, sensible gun safety measures, and supporting corporate welfare.
Posted by: Furious George at January 25, 2016 04:39 PM (3GAnN)

Exactly. CUE THE SHILL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 04:41 PM (kzdjp)

169 84 Trump is solely there as a weapon to destroy the GOPe.

This.

All the conservative goals will get nowhere until the Party is gutted.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 25, 2016 04:32 PM (oVJmc)

The price of liberty is...occasional vigilance. You know, every once in a while.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:41 PM (Xd2w5)

170 Make no mistake, if you think Rubio's pandering, so are these two.

--

Second look at....{fill in the blank}?

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at January 25, 2016 04:41 PM (pVkEV)

171
How does Trump destroy the party?

Technically it destroys himself in reaction to him. Sort of like anaphylactic shock. That's the plan, anyway.

Well, more that the people who claim to hold the reins of power are shown to not be in control at all. Who seeks them out for favors then?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 25, 2016 04:41 PM (oVJmc)

172 I am for being against Trump. He's not a serious choice for being next to the red button.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:39 PM (Xd2w5)

If you have no alternative, could I suggest being *for* Trump?

It's intellectually identical to your position and a fraction less exhausting.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 04:42 PM (xuouz)

173 for me Rubio's co-sponsoring of CASA is more important than amnesty.

Why order the things they're wrong on? They're all way over the mulligan limit.

Posted by: DaveA at January 25, 2016 04:42 PM (DL2i+)

174 Canada is a great country, terrific vistas, kinda cold. Their women are whores!!

Posted by: DONALD TRUMP at January 25, 2016 04:42 PM (TJCSB)

175 For those that think Trump would sleaze out...he clearly cares about his brand and his legacy. Does Hillary? Bernie? Rubio or Cruz?

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 25, 2016 04:42 PM (Lqy/e)

176 Everybody in that photo is a phony two-faced bastard.

Posted by: Fritz at January 25, 2016 04:42 PM (UzPAd)

177 Anyone who can say that they'll build a wall and charge Mexico for it is either stupid or a liar

====

Tack a hefty tax on monies being sent out of country to Mexico. Tack a tariff on goods entering from Mexico. And then.... well, how expensive is a wall, anyway?

My point is - while I don't know the specifics of Trump's idea - there likely are avenues towards getting it done.

Aside from all of that, towards the stupid thing? The majority of the population is "stupid", especially if you're a genius. You might be a genius, but I'd bet you aren't and put up money on that. Not because I think you're stupid but because averages.

But in my book a smart guy actually knows he's average and a stupid guy does not. Trump, therefore, is average but he's parlayed that into great success, which is smart. YMMV

Posted by: Bigby's Digital Manipulators at January 25, 2016 04:42 PM (3ZtZW)

178 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 04:41 PM (Z8fuk)

You will NEVER be able to reimpose Sanctions on Iran, Europe and the rest of the world are already in to deep.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 04:42 PM (kzdjp)

179 This is blatantly discriminatory against dual-wielders.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 25, 2016 04:35 PM (9krrF)

Tough break, Drizzt fan-boy.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Exclusive! Temper Your Tantrum with Flammable Die-Grease! at January 25, 2016 04:42 PM (hLRSq)

180 And I am tired of the solutions politicians and lawyers trot out.

They're not solutions. If they were, would we be forced to train our foreign replacements? Would we be treated like the enemy in our own airports? Would we be illegally spied on for no reason by our own government?

I kinda doubt it.

#WASTF and voting isn't fixing it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 25, 2016 04:43 PM (LUgeY)

181 I have the perfect job for Rubio on the Cruz Presidential Transition Team --

Waterboy

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 25, 2016 04:43 PM (gyKtp)

182 156 130 What did Breitbart say? WAR.
______________________

I believe the exact quote was "Fuck you!War!"

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2016 04:39 PM (4AVeu)

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This all checks out

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 04:43 PM (xuouz)

183 You've gotta laugh at how the people who were stating a short time ago to "burn it down" are now saying Trump is Armageddon or something. I'll take it the former statement was not serious...or it it the latter.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2016 04:43 PM (GGCsk)

184 Posted by: doowleb at January 25, 2016 04:36 PM (r+Gn+)

Listen belwood, you canucks need to learn to take a joke.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2016 04:43 PM (ODxAs)

185 154 Do not underestimate Canada.
________________________________
As a longtime supporter of Canada, allow me to say we'll get back to you after yourid yourself ofthat pussy you call a Prime Minister.
Yeah, we're working on ridding ourselves of our own pussy in the White House. But you've got your work cut out for you.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 25, 2016 04:43 PM (ATVNj)

186 they may try to undermine the election. If they can't have the moderate amnesty squish run, make sure the alternative loses, so you have ammunition to run a moderate squish next time.

Posted by: Grimaldi

I prefer my opponent's perfidy be naked and honest. Let them torch it and claim the thing.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2016 04:43 PM (W0RfD)

187
re: how does Trump destroy the party?

What party??

The GOP is no longer a political party.

The GOP, for the last 10 years, has been a mega lobbying firm that happens to have most of the seats in Congress.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 04:43 PM (cfrRc)

188 I cant believe Ace would be so disparaging of puppies. I truly believed that Ace was a puppy lover.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 04:43 PM (iQIUe)

189 Do not underestimate Canada.

Fun fact: "Canada" is French for "America's Overflow Parking".

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 25, 2016 04:44 PM (1xUj/)

190 Well, more that the people who claim to hold the reins of power are shown to not be in control at all. Who seeks them out for favors then?

-------------

If Trump loses, it will simply show them that they were right (in their eyes). I think the GOP will win whoever it nominates. So if Trump wins, it may show them that. Depends on whether Trump gets coopted. May just show them that he has a different price point.

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2016 04:44 PM (gmeXX)

191 >>You will NEVER be able to reimpose Sanctions on Iran, Europe and the rest of the world are already in to deep.

Which was Obama's plan all along. Nobody has singed shit but Obama yet all of the P5+1 sanctions are gone.

Funny that.

http://tinyurl.com/hsoadfa

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2016 04:44 PM (Hxh2/)

192 Anyone who can say that they'll build a wall and charge Mexico for it is either stupid or a liar

====

Anyone who isn't happy to have the conversation be about how we'd PAY to protect our border, rather than exactly how racist it is to actually want to protect it, is either oblivious or the enemy.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 04:44 PM (xuouz)

193 Rubio repudiated his position on Amnesty?

Pull the other one.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 25, 2016 04:44 PM (Wckf4)

194
In other words, Republicans in Congress are not representatives of their constituent-citizens. They are seat-holders for lobbyists.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 04:45 PM (cfrRc)

195 Cut the cake!

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 25, 2016 04:45 PM (evdj2)

196 Ace, you did see where our old flame, Rick Perry endorsed Cruz, right?

About Cruz. Didn't he also flip on immigration? A serious question.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 25, 2016 04:45 PM (jJRIy)

197 "Waterboy"

Piss pot boy.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 25, 2016 04:45 PM (LA7Cm)

198 How does Trump destroy the party?
Posted by: SH at January 25, 2016 04:34 PM (gmeXX)

I saw some numbers from Minnesota, but it's pretty typical: Trump's unfavorable minus favorable rating is about 40%.

Interestingly, Jeb's is about 38%.

Hillary's is negative double-digits (I forget the number).

Rubio's was +3%.

People f'cking hate Trump. Also Jeb.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:45 PM (Xd2w5)

199
and they did everything right, and have successfully Managed their stupid, three-toothed inbred voters yet again?

You forgot the best part of being in "the base":

Cousin-humping

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 25, 2016 04:45 PM (j4wsR)

200 How does Trump destroy the party?

Technically it destroys himself in reaction to him.

---------------

What do you mean? How so?

The original, imagined plan--and it's not like it's perfect--was that the insiders would basically do anything to keep him from being the nominee, up to and including skullduggery at the convention, regardless of the primary results.

Now of course we have reports of insiders backing Trump over Cruz. Whether this is opportunists trying to find a way to survive in a possible Trump ascendancy or whether it's a sign they're moving to the "adapt and coopt" phase of the standard reaction to a threat is open for debate, though it's giving me some pause that it's happening at this stage.

The thing is, Trump is riding a tiger. Scenarios regarding Fifth Avenue firearms discharges aside, if he were to totally flip and sell out his followers, the results would be...catastrophic. I would be surprised if he did it but I've been getting surprised a lot lately, never in good ways, so my instincts may be less than prime.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 25, 2016 04:45 PM (9krrF)

201 It was a Canadian bear that raped Leonardo DiCaprio. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Fritz at January 25, 2016 04:46 PM (UzPAd)

202 A long time ago, the Washington Post described conservative voters as "poor, uneducated, and easily led."

I will match my IQ score against anyone the Washington Post can enlist, I will match my net worth against 96% of the population, I will match my level of achievement against anyone the Washington Post chooses to pit me against.

I am neither poor,uneducated, or easily led. I am however, conservative. Insert scatological reference to Washington Post -- here --.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 25, 2016 04:46 PM (fbovC)

203 "That's why he made Canadians."

Truer words never spoken. Sadly.

Sincerely,

A Canadian Friend

Posted by: Chris in Ontario at January 25, 2016 04:46 PM (ZtOL8)

204

Nice post.

It's what a lot of us are thinking and feeling.

I'm so done with being done with it all.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 25, 2016 04:46 PM (qCMvj)

205 Here's the thing. Marco has repudiated his support for amnesty
***
If he really repudiated his stance he would agree to step down after his one term in the Senate and specifically work to build an anti-amnesty coalition, and then after a decade or so of that, then I would agree he had repudiated his previous position.

All I see here though is a guy that believes he has to mouth certain platitudes to get his "promotion".

Posted by: 18-1 at January 25, 2016 04:46 PM (X7E8f)

206 Conservatives have taught the GOPe that we will take whatever they dish out, and to Ace's point will continue to ignore our interests until we stop doing that.

===

Ace one time wrote about how socialists would never say what they were or go too fast on the socialism because they feared a center-right population would rip their faces off. Becoz do not poke the bear.

We didn't do that with Barack and so, after 2 cycles, the GOP has joined them.

Look, its time we ripped their faces off, k?

Posted by: Bigby's Digital Manipulators at January 25, 2016 04:46 PM (3ZtZW)

207 There might be other reasons a wall doesn't get built, but Trump knows how to physically build it.

Oh, Jesus. Then make him foreman. It's not a matter of material, it's a matter of will.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:46 PM (Xd2w5)

208 I love it.

That ultra hip place on the Upper East Side that took you six weeks to get into turns out to be the place that serves kale on their shit sandwiches.

All the other intellectuals, paid thinkers and pundits eat there every day. They can't get enough of it and laugh at the flyover people who would never get a reservation.

Sometimes they pause a moment and ask "What is that flavor? I've had it before." Then back to their important conversations.

Welcome back to street food, Buckwheat.

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2016 04:46 PM (Zs4uk)

209
And, to be fair, over at RedState:

The Case For Marco Rubio Part II: The Salesman

By: Dan "BaseballCrank" McLaughlin

http://tinyurl.com/hedkjnb

Over 7000 words in Part Two. Part One is similar. And there are pictures, graphs...

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 04:46 PM (kdS6q)

210 @127...yes and my Canadian friends have never made me as disgusted with their recent election of a Trudeau...again. And this my friend, is coming from a Canadian/American...mum a proud and unwaivering conservative from Northern Ontario. Chillax dude...

Posted by: billygoat at January 25, 2016 04:47 PM (FY5/z)

211 THIS post by Ace goes into the Hall of Fame of rational , working man American Leadership.

Now, exactly whose ass(es) can or should we kick?
! Today?...

Cause unless there is some serious red ass goin on, Ace's masterpiece will be in danger of being stillborn.

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at January 25, 2016 04:47 PM (fC+Kl)

212 Vote for the Democrat and watch it burn.

Posted by: Zeno at January 25, 2016 04:47 PM (VrQW9)

213 Rubio didn't just support Amnesty, he lead the fuckin charge!

Big difference

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 04:47 PM (kzdjp)

214 I don't trust Rubio at all on immigration, but if you think I'm going to take that distrust and turn it into supporting Trump over him, then you've lost your mind.

I know this sentiment isn't popular around here, which is why I usually just lurk, but I'll take the GOP guys who will screw me sometimes over the Democrats and Trump who will screw me 100% of the time.

The country is not as conservative as we are. Life's not fair. And we're only just now getting the GOP to be more conservative. So since Rubio (a man who is so conservative it would have been unthinkable for him to be a serious presidential contender a generation ago) isn't completely with us on immigration, you'd rather elect a mentally unbalanced liberal like Trump? Nah dude.

Posted by: RedStick at January 25, 2016 04:47 PM (SQho9)

215 but I will vote for the Republican nominee over Hillary or Bernie. It
has nothing to do with teaching anyone lessons. I don't want 4 or 8 more
years of liberal bullshit which will make this country completely
unrecognizable from the one I grew up in.

It's 19T$, 25Millegals, etc. too late for that.

Posted by: DaveA at January 25, 2016 04:47 PM (DL2i+)

216 >>I saw some numbers from Minnesota, but it's pretty typical: Trump's unfavorable minus favorable rating is about 40%.
<<

Minnesota's voted for Democrat presidential candidates since at least 1976.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2016 04:48 PM (GGCsk)

217
Insert scatological reference to Washington Post -- here --.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 25, 2016 04:46 PM (fbovC)

huhuhuhuhuhuh he said "insert" huhuhuhuhuhuhuh

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 25, 2016 04:48 PM (j4wsR)

218 You've gotta laugh at how the people who were stating a short time ago
to "burn it down" are now saying Trump is Armageddon or something.

I can't say that anyone like that comes to mind. To whom are you referring?

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2016 04:48 PM (YXmuI)

219 39 In case you haven't noticed, Ace, The Establishment (TM) has been lining up behind Trump. And they do prefer Trump to Rubio, this is not mere gamesmanship.

Why, after that NRO Against Rubio publication, in which 22 GOPe and "conservative" all stars publicly excommunicated Marcolito from the movement, how could there be any doubt? Yup, you nailed it.

Posted by: Dark Helmet at January 25, 2016 04:48 PM (yvwr7)

220 Prediction: Trump will get some big Teamster support when he announces that the wall building will be all union... it will be yuge project on par with building a stadium in Jersey or the big dig in Boston... except it will be done in 18 months.... and Mexico will pay ... Wall project will be opportunity for disappearing some folks. Just sayin.

Posted by: Yip at January 25, 2016 04:48 PM (e7T6D)

221 And what about Obamacare?

I guess we'll just give up on that.

So we'll either get a felon in the White House, or a socialist with a destructive tax and spend plan.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:48 PM (Xd2w5)

222 @155 But I *know* that I can't vote for Trump. I really think his temperamental unsuitability is not just about style. I think he'd be an extremely bad, and possibly dangerous, Commander-in-Chief.

Obama has been the absolute worst commander in chief in our history. Extremely bad and overtly dangerous in all the ways a patriot can imagine.

Trump is no George Washington, but it is not possible for him, as one who love's his country, to not be a marked improvement over the current SCOAMF. When America is healthy and prosperous, the whole world benefits.

And Trump won't bend a knee before Saudi Wahhabist benefactors, for fuck sake.

Posted by: FredB at January 25, 2016 04:48 PM (QrVbp)

223 So who is up for movie night? I'm sure we can find an online copy of Weiner. It will be stimulating.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 04:48 PM (iQIUe)

224 Trump made the "shoot someone on 5th ave" comment to create a double standard in relation to presidential candidates who have committed felonies.

He's a damned bastard, damn his damned, bastard eyes, for joking about his followers supporting him even if he murdered someone.

What does that make Hillary? What does that make Hillary's supporters?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 04:48 PM (xuouz)

225
The fun hasn't even started yet.

The ugliness of the monkeyshines at the GOP convention will blow our minds.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 04:48 PM (cfrRc)

226 Minnesota is nuckin futs as a state.

Posted by: steevy at January 25, 2016 04:48 PM (8HTq1)

227 >>It's 19T$, 25Millegals, etc. too late for that.

Then stay home and don't do anything.

I'm not ready to give up yet.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2016 04:48 PM (Hxh2/)

228 The GOPe counts on you holding your nose for their candidate because the other candidate is worse.
Posted by: WOPR at January 25, 2016 04:37 PM (LTDSy)

There were a lot of people who thought Obama would be good, because the democrats would 'own' all the issues. I don't think that's worked out well for the country. I don't think Hillary would either. I don't have any answers but there is NO f'ing WAY I will be voting for her.

Posted by: Lea at January 25, 2016 04:48 PM (lIU4e)

229 >>213
Rubio didn't just support Amnesty, he lead the fuckin charge!

Big difference<<

Worse. He then disparaged everyone who didn't agree with him.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2016 04:49 PM (GGCsk)

230 And they do prefer Trump to Rubio, this is not mere gamesmanship.

NO, they prefer Trump to Cruz...Rubio isn't even on the horizon yet.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 04:49 PM (kzdjp)

231 There remains a nagging suspicion that the MSM is keeping the anti-Trump info quiet for now, but the second he gets the nomination that we will find out he "violated" many rules along the way

--

They're sitting on it, you can bet your bottom dollar. If Mitt Romney cut a kid's hair in high school and gave a man's wife cancer through his business dealings, the stuff the D's and MFM (birm) have planned to breathlessly unleash on Trump will be historic in its historiosity. The dirty underwear of decades of Trump's business dealings will be flapping in the breeze for all to see. It doesn't even have to be true. As Dingy Harry said, "well, he didn't get elected, did he?"

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at January 25, 2016 04:49 PM (pVkEV)

232 176
Everybody in that photo is a phony two-faced bastard.

If Schumer has another face, why would he use that one?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 25, 2016 04:49 PM (oVJmc)

233 the election to the Democrats just to teach the Republicans a lesson?

If they were capable of learning we wouldn't be here.

Posted by: DaveA at January 25, 2016 04:49 PM (DL2i+)

234 Technically it destroys himself in reaction to him. Sort of like anaphylactic shock. That's the plan, anyway.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 25, 2016 04:37 PM (9krrF)

It was Obama's plan from the very beginning.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:49 PM (Xd2w5)

235 we do all have different priorities, i double down on Open borders, and fiscal crazy town where THEY are not responsible but We the people are left holding the bag.

and more spiked tea.
Posted by: willow at January 25, 2016 04:29 PM (PjWy4)

Thank you, willow. *sips*

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at January 25, 2016 04:49 PM (mf5HN)

236 Fought construction (unless we are talking about Atlas Shrugged, in which case, you would be right!)

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 25, 2016 04:49 PM (Lqy/e)

237 Amish Dude would vote for any lawyer, over Trump.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 04:38 PM (Z8fuk)

Trump is worse than a lawyer. He sues people at the drop of a hat.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:50 PM (Xd2w5)

238
A lotta Mensa Mikes in this thread...

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 04:50 PM (cfrRc)

239 As ppl have already mentioned above, as if the gang of 8 travesty wasn't enough, the Rube also embraced the stupid and unjust campus rape bill. Are we sure Mike Murphy isn't also advising him? Is he in touch at all with conservative thought?

Only thing is my complete and total opposition to vile Felon Hildebeast >> my disgust at Rubio. At least, for now.

Posted by: chique testing testing at January 25, 2016 04:50 PM (Mt8T4)

240 >>Posted by: Nip Sip at January 25, 2016 04:45 PM

Re Cruz's poison pill amendment:

"Mark Krikorian, who advocated against the 2013 bill, told Bloomberg News in November that Cruz's amendment to remove the path to citizenship element was a legislative tactic. "You often introduce measures you hope will be poison pills if you're trying to kill a piece of legislation," said Krikorian who works for the Center for Immigration Studies, a think tank that focuses on lessening immigration.

Stephen Miller, a spokesman for U.S. Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., told Bloomberg News that "numerous conservatives offered amendments to the progressive Gang of Eight bill that were designed to improve enforcement or combat amnesty." He continued, "That does not mean these senators supported the bill with those changes. That would be an extremely untenable interpretation." (Sessions also fought against the bill.)

Chris Chmielenski of NumbersUSA, an advocacy group that promotes reduced immigration, previously told PolitiFact he doesn't think Cruz "was ever willing to support legalization" of immigrants living here "before enforcement" of border security. Chmielenski said that there also was no Cruz amendment proposing to give work permits to people living here without legal authorization.

Cruz voted against the overall bill, which passed the Senate 68 to 32 in June 2013 and then died in the House."

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 25, 2016 04:50 PM (t5zYU)

241 196 About Cruz. Didn't he also flip on immigration? A serious question.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 25, 2016 04:45 PM (jJRIy)

He didn't have to flip, he was already weak on amnesty.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 25, 2016 04:50 PM (t2KH5)

242 And a couple weeks before making his announcement, Trump was calling Romney stupid for his "mean" stance on illegals. But it's cool cause he said something different later and totally means it now. Cause he's yuuuuge. And classy.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2016 04:38 PM (Hxh2/)

This.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:51 PM (Xd2w5)

243 Do not underestimate Canada.

It was a joke eh?

Posted by: DaveA at January 25, 2016 04:51 PM (DL2i+)

244 Just let the democrat party win. Then watch it burn.

Posted by: Zeno at January 25, 2016 04:51 PM (VrQW9)

245
You'll take Trump? have you actually seen his immigration policy? sure, he'll build a fence. Then he'll throw open the gates, and re-invite in the immigrants he previously gave the boot. And give them legal status, likely in the form of a work permit.

What makes you think he'll take a hard look at H1-B visas?

If any sort of immigration reform goes thru, then it's over with. Like a sucking chest wound, if you don't get the bleeding stopped, you realize you're going to bleed out.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at January 25, 2016 04:51 PM (1hM1d)

246 Fantastic write up, Ace.

Posted by: MJ at January 25, 2016 04:51 PM (ydFgS)

247 I like Cruz, but I don't think he can win the general election.

Watch this. Rubio has a pretty good story.

http://tinyurl.com/z2ux8rw

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 25, 2016 04:51 PM (jJRIy)

248 Are you kidding me AD. 8 Years of Barky has convinced me that there is no such thing as someone too unpresidential to vote for them. I wanted Walker and Cruz is my choice now but if the GOPe gets Rubio or Jeb into the nomination I am going back to voting Constitutional party. Cruz, Trump or Carson are my only acceptable R candidates.

If the GOPe get one of the amnesty shills the nomination I'm voting for the fringe party and too damn bad if Hillary or Sanders wins and accelerates our slide into banana republic/ or commie craphole in Cuba and Venezuela's footsteps.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 25, 2016 04:51 PM (dkExz)

249 This is, as they say, nut cutting time.

Posted by: blaster at January 25, 2016 04:52 PM (2Ocf1)

250 ***"I don't trust Rubio at all on immigration, but if you think I'm going to take that distrust and turn it into supporting Trump over him, then you've lost your mind."***

You might try rereading the post, Skippy. Hint: No one's telling you who to support.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 25, 2016 04:52 PM (Wckf4)

251 You will NEVER be able to reimpose Sanctions on Iran, Europe and the rest of the world are already in to deep.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 04:42 PM (kzdjp)

You can reimpose them unilaterally, just like the USA had unilateral sanctions against Cuba ever since the rise of Castro.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 04:52 PM (Z8fuk)

252 Rubio's C.o.S. is an illegal immigration activist- Cesar Conda -that worked on the editorial board for George Soros' magazine- International Economy.

That's all anyone flirting with Rubio needs to know.

Posted by: CozMark at January 25, 2016 04:52 PM (CbGSW)

253 And once again. The anti Trump people are doing much more to put me in his camp than any stupid statement he makes will take me out of it.

Posted by: Buzzion at January 25, 2016 04:52 PM (z/Ubi)

254 "In case you haven't noticed, Ace, The Establishment (TM) has been lining up behind Trump. And they do prefer Trump to Rubio, this is not mere gamesmanship."

Because one thing the donor class never does is trim its sails to the prevailing wind.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Exclusive! Temper Your Tantrum with Flammable Die-Grease! at January 25, 2016 04:52 PM (hLRSq)

255 >>>If Schumer has another face, why would he use that one?<<<

Have you seen his niece? And don't forget to tip your waitress.

Posted by: Fritz at January 25, 2016 04:53 PM (UzPAd)

256 I only have two priorities in this election:

1. Who is the most conservative
2. Who can win

Right now the only candidate that meets those criteria is Trump.

Posted by: Stay out da Bushes at January 25, 2016 04:53 PM (rZJS9)

257 Trump will have a video game made. Construction of Trump Wall Simulator. On Steam. You drive trucks with YUGE concrete spanners to border. Then you'll lift'em vertically with your crane and jam 'em in holes and concrete 'em in.

Part of the game will be shaking down Mexico for money and giving walking around money to the AFL-CIO and Teamsters to build your coalition.

Posted by: Yip at January 25, 2016 04:53 PM (e7T6D)

258 You know, Trump is sort of like a Mafia Don. He has all the characteristics. And maybe that's not such a bad thing. Stuff will get done, that's for sure. But what would they call him? Don Don?

Posted by: Oldbuffalo at January 25, 2016 04:53 PM (/pOl7)

259
Just think, 9 more months of daily comments about how, on principle and sacred honor for the Office, they can't vote for Trump.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 04:53 PM (cfrRc)

260 This is, as they say, nut cutting time.

Oh...

See I just don't like the sound of that at all.

Posted by: eleven at January 25, 2016 04:53 PM (qUNWi)

261 the election to the Democrats just to teach the Republicans a lesson?

If they were capable of learning we wouldn't be here.

No Mr. GOPe, I expect you to die.

Posted by: Grumpfinger928(c) at January 25, 2016 04:53 PM (evdj2)

262 )Anyone who can say that they'll build a wall and charge Mexico for it is either stupid or a liar, and those who support said candidate for the same reason are just gullible.
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at January 25, 2016 04:24 PM (XrGnJ)

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Some people want illegals blocked and deported, want Muslims banned from entry, don't want free trade with every competitor and piss ant country in the world, want to win, don't want an NRO-certified conservative for President, don't care if the 0.5% pay taxes, don't want wars all over the world, and don't want to apologize for holding any of these positions.

I can't imagine why they would support Trump and not one of the other idiots.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 04:53 PM (NUqwG)

263 221 And what about Obamacare?

Trump will make a deal.

He will probably trade that tiny fraction of the catastrophic market that is still private to be single payer and have the normal, everyday healthcare as fee for service, direct pay from a health maintenance account.

Fucking brilliant.

Don't give up anything that matters and get what you've been trying to get for decades.

The art of a deal.

Liberals won't figure out what happened for years.

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2016 04:54 PM (Zs4uk)

264
To which I say: WHAT CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT?

Yeah, so here's the thing: Only about half of the Republican party (electorate) is conservative. But all the politicians have to pose as one.

And that was a pretty good deal. And it meant that sometimes half the Republican legislators would bolt on an issue (say, amnesty) or two.

We have to push them and keep them in line. If you blow it up, that's all gone. All of it.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:54 PM (Xd2w5)

265 As the Muslim Indian Dondi, I think you are being close minded and short sighted Mr. Ace of Spades because on the one hand, if an establishment Republican wins then we Democrats win and on the other hand if a Democrat named Hillary wins we win.

Posted by: Fareed Zakaria at January 25, 2016 04:55 PM (OZmbA)

266 Acting strictly in loco Advocatus Diaboli:

I thought that, as untasteful as it might be, rather little permanent harm could come from an Obama presidency. The institutions are strong, the checks have the balances, the system is designed to forestall action.

Now we have the rule of man, not laws. We have potentially permanent losses of liberty and consent of the governed. The Obama presidency has been way worse than I imagined.

So what if destroying the GOP (a worthy goal) leads to the destruction of what is worth saving in America?

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 25, 2016 04:55 PM (1xUj/)

267 256
I only have two priorities in this election:

1. Who is the most conservative

2. Who can win

Right now the only candidate that meets those criteria is Trump.

Posted by: Stay out da Bushes at January 25, 2016 04:53 PM (rZJS9)

Whatever you are smoking, would you share?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 25, 2016 04:55 PM (jJRIy)

268 I like the cut of this Ace fellow's jib.

Every once in a while, Ace says exactly what I'm thinking. This is one of those. Well done.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 25, 2016 04:55 PM (b8zkl)

269 I get Ace's reason for supporting Trump as his #2 choice. I get the Trump LIB camp.

What I don't get is the Trump supporters who absolutely take him at his (current) word. Especially when they accuse other candidates of flip flopping.

I will vote for Trump over Hillary, but still.

Posted by: chique testing testing at January 25, 2016 04:55 PM (Mt8T4)

270 152 The problem with the "he votes conservative 90% of the time" is that the 90% is composed of Failure Theater votes and that the remaining 10% consists of favoring immigration-by-deluge, sensible gun safety measures, and supporting corporate welfare.
Posted by: Furious George at January 25, 2016 04:39 PM (3GAnN)

That's stupid. Ratings for guys like McCain and Graham are much lower. There are some serious votes in there. McConnell has not made it easy for conservative Senators.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:55 PM (Xd2w5)

271 The anti Trump people are doing much more to put me in his camp than any stupid statement he makes will take me out of it.

I know the feeling but, in the end you can't let anyone else own your vote, by argument or anger. Especially fakey internet people.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 25, 2016 04:55 PM (evdj2)

272 I will stay home before voting for Rubio, Jeb!, or any other establishment candidate, and I wish the establishment media was called out a lot more often, as well.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 25, 2016 04:55 PM (Agn5J)

273 Amish dude and the other Trump haters.

Do you read the blog? Are you familiar with this guy Ace and his stance? The one stance that is determining how he approaches politics? That he endeavored to explain, plainly, at the top of this very page?

None of the pageantry has anything to do with it.

Conservatives require a vessel for our vengeance, a tool for undoing the work of the self-appointed American aristocracy, a weapon, and this weird blowhard from New York is looking heavy and sharp. This is our sole political objective.

Hence the inelasticity of Mr. Trump's support.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 04:55 PM (xuouz)

274 I simply can't trust anyone with a Hispanic sounding name on amnesty.

They'll say their against it, then voila! We'll be letting in millions of Hispanics and Muslims.

Sorry.

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at January 25, 2016 04:55 PM (gisJf)

275 >>> t is time to actually revolt. Not just talk about it -- actually do it. Actually let them know that we do have our limits, and those limits were passed sometime in 2015.
...

My limits were passed way before 2015. I was all in for McCain because he wasn't Obama. He lost because, in the end, he supports Obama. 2012 gave us Romney. My answer- Fuck you. Worthless SOB set the precedent that gave us Obamacare. He has zero positions that he's stood on... ever.

In the mean time, we gave these scumbags the House and Senate... and they did NOTHING.

So voting for Not Obama gave us 8 years of unfettered Obama. They did all his work for him while he vacationed and hung out with "interesting people".

Screw the whole lot of them. We've sent messages. No one is listening. We voted them out (hello Cantor?). It makes no difference.

Call me with the real revolution starts.

Posted by: Damiano at January 25, 2016 04:56 PM (XItbt)

276 115
I'll repeat this. My husband was a projected manager for a company that
built steel bridges, big ones like the Benicia bridge in CA. He knows
steel and gets a certain look in his eyes when he talks about it.

I watched the rally where Trump first talked about building the
wall. He was specific and mentioned a particular product that his crews
have used before. Same look my husband gets when discussing steel. There
might be other reasons a wall doesn't get built, but Trump knows how to
physically build it. And I am tired of the solutions politicians and
lawyers trot out.
++++

This^.

I've always thought Trump was a silver spoon fed trust fund baby braggart but the guy learns the guts of what he is building/wants to accomplish. I saw him testify before the NY Port Authority on bids to renovate the UN or something. I was impressed. I also read a day in the life article about him and his first wife and was impressed. He has raised good kids. He is a good mad and loves the country, this I don't doubt.

If elected, he will dance with those that brung him and knows why they brung him. Sure, he will "make deals" but he will ask for the stars to start when he only wants the moon. And he will get the moon.

When he sees the true scope and inefficiency of the federal government, his business background will kick in and I can see consolidation/cutting of agencies and the backing off of the feds in so much of everything. A 10th Amendment attitude but for non-constitutional reasons. Because it will Make America Great Again.

I am entirely comfortable with him.

I want him and Cruz to make up and Cruz to be AG and later SCOTUS. And Palin Secretary of the Interior. He will look for experts, not political/donor cronies (he has none) and competence will return.

Plus his wife is so fvking hot. But that is the least of the factors.

Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at January 25, 2016 04:56 PM (g1MTt)

277 You know some here may be correct that Trump is a TOTAL fraud but that just does not ring true. Yet.

Trump is flawed--sort of flawed beyond imagination but the Fcuker WILL build that goddamn wall , take care of our Vets, and stop the fcuking Chinese from ISIS- raping us at every turn OR there WILl be open in-the-street rebellion.

May be anyways...so why not at least take the bet the the asshole will do SOMEthing right?

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at January 25, 2016 04:56 PM (fC+Kl)

278 The ugliness of the monkeyshines at the GOP convention will blow our minds.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people

A direct and delayed result of losing in 2012. The GOP did not have an honest assessment of its mission and the American public.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2016 04:56 PM (W0RfD)

279 I'm with you, Ace on all points. If I can't have Cruz, I'll settle for Trump. The rest of them (especially Rubio) be dammed.

Rubio lied, lied, lied about his stance on Immigration AND what was in the actual bill and it almost cost this country everything.

At least the rest of the idiots running admit that they are surrender monkeys.....makes it easy to stay home in November

Posted by: FITP at January 25, 2016 04:56 PM (fHNVl)

280 "Here's the thing. Marco has repudiated his support for amnesty."

Sure he did. He's always against amnesty when he's a *candidate* for office. When he's an office holder? Not so much.

Posted by: holygoat at January 25, 2016 04:56 PM (ZgI/r)

281 Part of the game will be shaking down Mexico for money and giving
walking around money to the AFL-CIO and Teamsters to build your
coalition.
***
You know this is an area where there is a lot of room for a non-GOPer to work. If you want to spend some money to buy private sector unions to get an actually conservative line item through (like real border control), I'm ok with that.

Hell, I'd like to see a tax on H1-Bs talked about as a way to "tax those evil corporations"...$50k/per year sounds about right to me...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 25, 2016 04:56 PM (X7E8f)

282 Over 7000 words in Part Two. Part One is similar. And there are pictures, graphs...

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 04:46 PM (kdS6q)

Beep boop charts

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 25, 2016 04:56 PM (4ErVI)

283 I think he'd be an extremely bad, and possibly dangerous, Commander-in-Chief.

The Cold War is over. Nothing in the GWOT is going to go sideways far and fast enough that having a maniac CIC would be worse than the pathetic traitor we've had for the past 7 years.

Posted by: DaveA at January 25, 2016 04:56 PM (DL2i+)

284 Ace, Rubio's garbage said I should tell you that she misses you.

Posted by: chique testing testing at January 25, 2016 04:56 PM (Mt8T4)

285 "189 Do not underestimate Canada."

In my single days, I enjoyed going to the Canadian Ballet. I would never underestimate Canada.

Posted by: Benji Carver at January 25, 2016 04:57 PM (OD2ni)

286 I'm glad I was here for Ace's Charles Johnson / Little Green Footballs moment.

Posted by: Vyce at January 25, 2016 04:57 PM (HI7nL)

287 There remains a nagging suspicion that the MSM is keeping the anti-Trump info quiet for now,

I'm in Iowa. There are ZERO anti-Trump ads on TV. And Trump will not survive negative ads.

Trump is to many of you what Obama said he was. The blank slate on which you write all your hopes and dreams.

Trump is your own.
Personal.
Jackass.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:57 PM (Xd2w5)

288
AmishDude, it's not just that half the R's aren't Conservative. It's that half the R's are fully on board with obama.

You talk as if half the R's are moderates, but lean Right. Not so. They are Progressives. And frauds.

Time for an enema.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 04:57 PM (cfrRc)

289 That's why he made Canadians.

Aye, the stories I could tell.

And they still think their death panel health care is great!

Taxpayer money PSA's telling you to stop the avalanche of private care -- because private care works.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 25, 2016 04:57 PM (qCMvj)

290 And in 2020 with President Hillary running for re-election from her Rascal Scooter, what then? What's the plan? How fukced up is the country at that point? Would opposing Rubio accomplish something tangible? New party? Reformed Republican Party? Would the Establishment "learn" anything from it, or just go along more with the Democrats?

Posted by: Crom's Dirty Underpants at January 25, 2016 04:57 PM (xudgf)

291 Great essay Ace and I agree with almost all of it. But Serious Question: What evidence do we actually have the Establishment Republicans are behind Rubio? Doesn't look like it to me. And if they aren't behind him, why does him winning give them a victory?

Posted by: Chris Not Rock at January 25, 2016 04:57 PM (BP/pr)

292 You can reimpose them unilaterally, just like the USA had unilateral sanctions against Cuba ever since the rise of Castro.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 04:52 PM (Z8fuk)

And?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 04:57 PM (kzdjp)

293 I'm definitely in the minority here but I think we would be in much better shape if we would have past Bush's immigration reform bill which would have been even improved once it went through the legislative process. We probably would have gotten a wall as part of the negotiations. Instead the illegal immigration problem has gotten worse and the 'reform' will probably be much worse.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 04:57 PM (ziriD)

294 "We are purging our decaying flesh from the body Republican.

The Democrats aren't.

First party to purge wins the future."

The Democrats are going to be have their own particular cleansing. They are going to be swallowed by Hispanics and La Raza and they the rest of their special interest will align to serve their interest first or be purged from the party. The white liberals currently in charge are clueless about what is going to happen.

Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at January 25, 2016 04:58 PM (1BQGO)

295 One thing we know about Trump is his word is good, he would never change his positions. You can take that to the bank! And he's conservative, too.

http://tinyurl.com/hja8tao

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 25, 2016 04:59 PM (jJRIy)

296 About Cruz. Didn't he also flip on immigration? A serious question.

Posted by: Nip Sip

This was addressed above, but I was dismayed to see Cruz' catastrophic interview with Brett Baer, in which it was obvious he was being deceitful. He would have been much better off if he had just admitted he lied at the time, and his amendments were, in fact, poison pills. Anyone with a functioning synapse already knew it.

As to his support for H1Bs, that is a relatively new issue for most people, and while his support for large increases in highly skilled people has its obvious attractions, he should have known better. He seems to have seen the light, though, and I'm willing to give him another chance, just because he's still miles ahead of the others.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2016 04:59 PM (YXmuI)

297 Re favorability ratings, scroll down this FiveThirtyEight post for a table of the GOP candidates. This is averaged from Rs, Ds, and Indies.

Carson is the best, Rubio is second, Cruz and Kasich are third.

Link in nick.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 25, 2016 04:59 PM (t5zYU)

298 If you have no alternative, could I suggest being *for* Trump?

It's intellectually identical to your position and a fraction less exhausting.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 04:42 PM (xuouz)

No Trump. Period.

We don't need our own Juan Peron.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:59 PM (Xd2w5)

299 I simply can't trust anyone with a Hispanic sounding name on amnesty.

They'll say their against it, then voila! We'll be letting in millions of Hispanics and Muslims.

Sorry.
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at January 25, 2016 04:55 PM (gisJf)

I wasn't aware that Bush and Obama are Hispanic names. Huh. You learn something new everyday.

Posted by: chique testing testing at January 25, 2016 04:59 PM (Mt8T4)

300 @218

Probably referencing people like me, for what I said way back at 150.

OK by me. It was the epiphany,

Posted by: FredB at January 25, 2016 04:59 PM (QrVbp)

301 And?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 04:57 PM (kzdjp)
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They'll have a lot of nifty looking classic cars 50 years from now?

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 05:00 PM (NUqwG)

302 So what if destroying the GOP (a worthy goal) leads to the destruction of what is worth saving in America?

Posted by: Bandersnatch

The inverse question is just as valid:

What if continuing to allow the GOPe to accommodate the Left's mission a bit at a time leads to the destruction of what is worth saving in America?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2016 05:00 PM (W0RfD)

303 In defense of Marco Rubio:

He's actually a very conservative Republican, excellent on 2A, and he's the only half-viable candidate left who would have an active foreign policy. (There are still a few of us out here who think it's a bad idea to hide our head under the covers til the boogerman goes away.) Cruz is pretty isolationist. Trump...who the fuck knows what he'd do with respect to foreign policy. It would be yuge and fabulous, though.

The Gang of 8 backstabbing is really Rubio's only fault.

Rubio isn't my first choice, but he's not my last, either. I can recall a time when we didn't require candidates to be absolutely perfect. We're going to end up disqualifying everyone, except for one, because they each have one tiny flaw, and we're going to end up with a goddamned walking disaster as the last man standing. We won't consider that guy's flaws, because each is dwarfed by the next, and because, for some reason, the media and the left aren't playing those flaws up. Yet. Huh. Wonder why that is.

Posted by: Pastafarian at January 25, 2016 05:00 PM (LqrRo)

304 Anecdote: in the early 1990's, I literally ran into Trump on the street in NYC, in front of one of his properties. This was during the Marla Maples era.

He is tall and really intimidating. At the time, I said "He looks like a mean guy."

Fast forward to today: totally OK with Trump. Do NOT have a problem voting for him. Might even be highly beneficial to have someone in charge of the US that has an intimidating presence. As opposed "President Mom Jeans How Do I Operate An Umbrella."

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at January 25, 2016 05:00 PM (gisJf)

305 Ace sez:

...and have successfully Managed their stupid, three-toothed inbred voters yet again?

I resent the slur, my good sir!

I have four tooths that's parfeckly good fer chawin', and y'all knows it!

Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2016 05:00 PM (jBuUi)

306
McConnell just allowed the minority D's to thwart the Syrian Refugee Vetting bill. McConnell did this so we idiots believe that WE NEED MOAR RPUBLICANS!!!

It's all a farce and we're the fools.

Stop voting for Republicans.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 05:00 PM (cfrRc)

307 NRO-certified conservative for President,
***
Yeah, that one gets me.

Romney was a moderate by Mass standards (eg left wing). And yet NRO and the rest were willing to call him a conservative. Most of my respect went out the window for them at that point.

Is Romney a more capable technocrat then Obama? Hell yes. Is that even a good thing? Hell no.

If we are going to be banana republic, we deserve the competence of an Obama...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 25, 2016 05:00 PM (X7E8f)

308 (1) Trump validates the entire Obama plan for transforming America. He may have already split the Republican party, leaving an openly Socialist Democrat party as the majority.

(2) Trump will cave on immigration much faster and more thoroughly than Rubio. He's admitted it. He doesn't care.

I'd get your support of Trump 3 months ago for "bringing up the issue" but we're finished now. He's a clown.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:27 PM (Xd2w5)

I agree. The party elite is already making noise that they can't take Cruz, but see Trump as someone they can do business with. Cruz actually threatens their existence.

Posted by: duke at January 25, 2016 05:00 PM (R1GUC)

309 @266 Acting strictly in loco Advocatus Diaboli:

Uh-oh. Now you're not "speaking" to Cael Lug. Better help him with that wagon load of potatoes. You, you...Latinist, you.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 25, 2016 05:01 PM (xq1UY)

310 Conservatives require a vessel for our vengeance, a tool for undoing the work of the self-appointed American aristocracy, a weapon, and this weird blowhard from New York is looking heavy and sharp. This is our sole political objective.

--------

Stipulating I agree with wanting a vessel and a desire to undo the American aristrocracy, as a conservative, I do not wish to attach myself to someone who is a member of that aristocracy who has in the past used methods I argue against (even if I blame the loophole maker more than the person using the loophole).

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2016 05:01 PM (gmeXX)

311 - "while he's kind of stupid and temperamentally unsuited for the job" - Ace

________

I guess by "stupid" you mean the only Republican in the past 25 years who's outsmarted the MSM.

Posted by: Fyscyl Clyff at January 25, 2016 05:01 PM (r4pNb)

312 The GOP is gonna buy me a puppy?!?

Neato!!!

Can I rub its belly?

Posted by: Jaws at January 25, 2016 05:01 PM (Jktp1)

313 Cosigned.

Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2016 05:01 PM (Kqit+)

314 And in 2020 with President Hillary running for re-election from her Rascal Scooter, what then? Posted by: Crom's Dirty Underpants

Hopefully, at some point the people of this country realize that a national divorce is needed and do it peacefully.

If not, someone gets subjugated or there is war

Posted by: FITP at January 25, 2016 05:02 PM (fHNVl)

315 161

Re: rebuilt house from War of 1812

Canada's attitude is "You sack my York, we sack and torch your Washington". Beware, you mess with those guys and they will crosscheck your ass.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at January 25, 2016 05:02 PM (FtrY1)

316 f he were to totally flip and sell out his followers, the results would be...catastrophic. I would be surprised if he did it

I wouldn't. He's said he's going to flip when he goes to the general.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:02 PM (Xd2w5)

317 196
Ace, you did see where our old flame, Rick Perry endorsed Cruz, right?

About Cruz. Didn't he also flip on immigration? A serious question.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 25, 2016 04:45 PM (jJRIy)

In a manner of speaking. I think there was a conservative treehouse post, something about him handing out teddy bears to the illegals with Beck. I cannot remember more specifics ATM.

Posted by: rebel flounder at January 25, 2016 05:02 PM (3dOE/)

318 "Minnesota's voted for Democrat presidential candidates since at least 1976."

Yes, and they also elected Hulk Hogan. You'd think another popular wrestling figure would do better there.

Posted by: spongeworthy at January 25, 2016 05:02 PM (xB4nF)

319
280 "Here's the thing. Marco has repudiated his support for amnesty."

Sure he did. He's always against amnesty when he's a *candidate* for office. When he's an office holder? Not so much.
Posted by: holygoat at January 25, 2016 04:56 PM (ZgI/r)

Marco Rubio has repudiated his support of amnesty.

And John McCain wants to build the danged fence.

And I promise I won't cum in your mouth.

Posted by: Buzzion at January 25, 2016 05:02 PM (z/Ubi)

320
He is tall and really intimidating.

He's a big man, in stature.

Remember, this is a man who stood in the ring with WWF wrestlers and didn't look small...or out of place. Unfortunately, he's running his campaign as if he's playing out a WWF show.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 05:03 PM (cfrRc)

321

Posted by: andycanuck at January 25, 2016 05:03 PM (DLIIY)

322 214 I don't trust Rubio at all on immigration, but if you think I'm going to take that distrust and turn it into supporting Trump over him, then you've lost your mind.

I know this sentiment isn't popular around here, which is why I usually just lurk, but I'll take the GOP guys who will screw me sometimes over the Democrats and Trump who will screw me 100% of the time.

The country is not as conservative as we are. Life's not fair. And we're only just now getting the GOP to be more conservative. So since Rubio (a man who is so conservative it would have been unthinkable for him to be a serious presidential contender a generation ago) isn't completely with us on immigration, you'd rather elect a mentally unbalanced liberal like Trump? Nah dude.
Posted by: RedStick at January 25, 2016 04:47 PM (SQho9)

I just wanted to post this again.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:03 PM (Xd2w5)

323 Welp, I see no reason to give up yet. Later 'gators.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 25, 2016 05:03 PM (t5zYU)

324 The Gang of 8 backstabbing is really Rubio's only fault.
***
So this Benedict Arnold guy, you say he only tried to surrender West Point to the British? And otherwise he was a stand up, all around competent guy? Why sure he'd make a hell of a president right?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 25, 2016 05:03 PM (X7E8f)

325 isn't completely with us on immigration,

It's an issue you don't get to be wrong on. Let alone traitorous.

Posted by: DaveA at January 25, 2016 05:04 PM (DL2i+)

326 David Axelrod, who is disgusted by Trump makes this point: The election will be seen by the voters as a way to remedy the ills brought on by the last President. Thoughtful, patient Zoobama (according to Axelrod) was balm for the country after the cowboy idiocy of the Booooosh years.

By that analysis, the GOPe should be skating by, because, after all, what did the GOPe do to help along the Progressive disaster? They shouldn't even be part of the discussion (if Axelrod is to be believed).

Instead, they are the discussion. Americans are sick and tired of the status quo. Trump and Sanders both should be losing handily (and they may eventually), but for right now they aren't. They're winning. And all anyone talks about (on both sides, Democrat and GOP) is who is "establishment" and who is "outsider".

Posted by: MTF at January 25, 2016 05:04 PM (TxJGV)

327 But Serious Question: What evidence do we actually have the
Establishment Republicans are behind Rubio? Doesn't look like it to me.
And if they aren't behind him, why does him winning give them a
victory?

Because immigration, first and foremost, is a scheme by the various governments of the West to replace the voters with more compliant (and more left-leaning) ones. Thanks to UK Labour for fucking up and releasing a document admitting that.

So being wrong on immigration and right on nearly everything else, as Rubio's voting record indicates, is actually *total* wrongness. Because immigration is the entire ballgame, and nothing else matters if amnesty happens again. California was flipped from toss-up to deep blue by Reagan's 1986 amnesty. That's the establishment's model, and they hope to repeat it nationwide this time.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 25, 2016 05:04 PM (3CwVB)

328 >>Romney was a moderate by Mass standards (eg left wing). And yet NRO and the rest were willing to call him a conservative. Most of my respect went out the window for them at that point.

No matter how many times you say this it will never be true.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2016 05:04 PM (Hxh2/)

329 If any of the Trumpiods watch the video @295 and still trust Trump, I suggest you see a shrink.

Watch it, come back.

http://tinyurl.com/hja8tao

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 25, 2016 05:04 PM (jJRIy)

330 Posted by: Pastafarian at January 25, 2016 05:00 PM (LqrRo)

Cruz is not close to being an isolationist.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 05:04 PM (ziriD)

331
If you look to Ryan, Kasick, Rubio, Christie, McConnell, Gowdy, etc. to "save" the USA, you're a fool.

These people are all part of the problem; the sickness that is destroying the USA.

They are losers and sycophants and self-serving fiends.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 05:05 PM (cfrRc)

332 I'm good with H1B visa folks having to pay an extra 15% tax on earnings unless or until a sum of $150K per VISA is remitted to a fund. This fund shall be used to buy beer, liquor, hookers and blow for Veterans. I know, right?

Posted by: Yip at January 25, 2016 05:05 PM (e7T6D)

333 If Schumer had a word balloon, it would say "Jesus, these guys are stupid". Is there a dumber looking mofo than Flake (who came in as a "conservative")

Posted by: ejo at January 25, 2016 05:06 PM (il4FI)

334 I agree. The party elite is already making noise that they can't take
Cruz, but see Trump as someone they can do business with. Cruz actually
threatens their existence.

Or the GOPe has simply read Uncle Remus.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 25, 2016 05:06 PM (oVJmc)

335 Then stay home and don't do anything.

Wrong, insulting and not funny is Hollowpoint's schtick. You're better than that.

Posted by: DaveA at January 25, 2016 05:06 PM (DL2i+)

336 Johnson's Law: As an AoSHQ comment thread on dissenting from the GOP nears 200, the probability that someone will invoke LGF approaches one.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 25, 2016 05:06 PM (Wckf4)

337 I wasn't aware that Bush and Obama are Hispanic names. Huh. You learn something new everyday.

Posted by: chique testing testin

Have your forgotten Juan McCaino?

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2016 05:06 PM (YXmuI)

338 I heard Marco argue for amnesty like a Democrat on Rush's show. I was taken aback. Transparently dishonest and not too bright arguments. He sure knows how to pick his signature issues.

Posted by: chique testing testing at January 25, 2016 05:06 PM (Mt8T4)

339 I do not wish to attach myself to someone who is a member of that aristocracy who has in the past used methods I argue against (even if I blame the loophole maker more than the person using the loophole).

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2016 05:01 PM (gmeXX)

Good luck. Others will go to war with the politicians they have, rather than the politician they wished they had.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 25, 2016 05:06 PM (uURQL)

340 Minnesota's voted for Democrat presidential candidates since at least 1976.

I picked that because I saw it recently. But when you've got Trump at -40%, Jeb! at -30%, Rubio at +3% and crushing Hillary (in that poll, Rubio creamed Hillary, Cruz narrowly beat Hillary and Trump got trounced by Hillary), you get a good idea of who people like and who they loathe.

Cruz is a tougher candidate to win with, but if he's beating Hillary in MN right now, he's worth considering for the general. Rubio wins easily.

Trump loses. If he ever wanted to win. My theory is that he was always a stalking horse and always intended to bolt third party when his numbers went down. I'm looking for him to make a lot of noises in that direction if he doesn't win Iowa by as much as expected.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:07 PM (Xd2w5)

341 Democrats had their purging years ago, they used to be the Democratic Leadership Council party, after a few elections of flirting with Nader running as a Green/Independent they got their leftward realignment.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at January 25, 2016 05:07 PM (1Wyg2)

342 I am tired of deal makers. I do not regard it as a virtue, outside of business.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 25, 2016 05:07 PM (RrDm2)

343
No matter how many times you say this it will never be true.
***
And yet it is. And we both know it.

"He was running to the left of Teddy Kennedy in Massachusetts in
1994. And he said flatly, he wasn't for the Reagan-Bush policies, he was
independent." --Newt Gingrich

Posted by: 18-1 at January 25, 2016 05:07 PM (X7E8f)

344 Trump worries me from the perspective that his positions are all over the map. I think he'd could be bought by the GOPe quite easily, tbh. I was fine with him as a Let-It-Burn emergency option, but his "we've got to be a little bit establishment and work with the Democrats" line was a punch in the gut for me. I think his inclination to "cut deals" could make him as dangerous as Hillary, and possibly more so. I'm leaning more towards Cruz-or-bust at the moment.

Posted by: holygoat at January 25, 2016 05:07 PM (ZgI/r)

345 >>If you look to Ryan, Kasick, Rubio, Christie, McConnell, Gowdy, etc. to "save" the USA, you're a fool.

If you think electing a guy who's family made a good part of it's fortune by doing business with the government is going to be a change agent I've got a wall to sell you.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2016 05:07 PM (Hxh2/)

346 Johnson's Law: As an AoSHQ comment thread on dissenting from the GOP nears 200, the probability that someone will invoke LGF approaches one.

Is that worse than Hitler?

Posted by: eleven at January 25, 2016 05:07 PM (qUNWi)

347 Why, after that NRO Against Rubio publication, in which 22 GOPe and "conservative" all stars publicly excommunicated Marcolito from the movement, how could there be any doubt? Yup, you nailed it.

NR is not the establishment.

R2R is the establishment.

NR is a bunch of writers. They aren't donors.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:07 PM (Xd2w5)

348 Have your forgotten Juan McCaino?
Posted by: pep at January 25, 2016 05:06 PM (YXmuI)

Can't believe I forgot that swarthy Latino.

Posted by: chique testing testing at January 25, 2016 05:07 PM (Mt8T4)

349 I swear, Ace just pulled those words right outta my mouth. No trying to kiss up to the proprietor (although a Platinum Membership would be nice...)

Posted by: IrishEi at January 25, 2016 05:08 PM (E6RIJ)

350 Trump or Cruz. It may not be the gutting of the party but it at least it ha vs them on the hooks. The gutting may have to come later. But the message will be clear.

Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2016 05:08 PM (Fmupd)

351 And?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 04:57 PM (kzdjp)

And? It would be a gesture. And you could also tell the mullahs that if Iran launches a nuke against any U.S. ally, that you will empty the tubes of all the boomers at sea into Iran, reload, and do it again, so that when the 12th Imam pops out of the damn well, he'll say, "Holy fuck! I'm on the Moon."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 05:08 PM (Z8fuk)

352
Rick Wilson and Fred Williamson are both cocksuckers, btw. And Benson Guy.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 05:08 PM (cfrRc)

353 So what if destroying the GOP (a worthy goal) leads to the destruction of what is worth saving in America?
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 25, 2016 04:55 PM (1xUj/)

I don't think I will ever be in the let it burn camp until I am convinced it will lead to something better. Right now that seems unlikely.

What I don't get is the Trump supporters who absolutely take him at his (current) word. Especially when they accuse other candidates of flip flopping. I will vote for Trump over Hillary, but still.
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 25, 2016 04:55 PM (Mt8T4)

Yeah, he's Trump. He's very Trumpy. I kind of take most of what he says and does with a bit of salt... My issue with the 'pro trump' 'anti-trump' hardline is that I would really HATE to see this kind of 'so and so said something bad about Trump so they are the enemy' thing happen again. That's basically what happened with Palin. People became evil because they spoke against her. That kind of political teamship stuff bugs the crap out of me. They're all politicians. They all have flaws.

Posted by: Lea at January 25, 2016 05:08 PM (lIU4e)

354 No Trump. Period.
We don't need our own Juan Peron.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 04:59 PM (Xd2w5)

You've said yourself you have no alternative.

You're where I was eight months ago.

You can trust your gut. That's what not believing in central planning or "95% of scientists" IS. You know you're as smart as you need to be to figure it out.

I'm not *for* Trump because I like Trump, but because he gives us a shot at escaping the government-sprawl spiral. We need a home run. Friedman said, there's no reason to fear self-interest. It's there whether you're honest about it or not.

And if you just can't stomach it, at least come up with something or someone you'd prefer. Because you're even worse than me at beating your dead horse, man.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 05:09 PM (xuouz)

355 Trump made the "shoot someone on 5th ave" comment to create a double standard in relation to presidential candidates who have committed felonies.

He did it to mock his followers.

Most of them didn't get they were being mocked.

But that's the way of the Con Man and the Cult Leader.

Your own.
Personal.
Jackass.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:09 PM (Xd2w5)

356 9 As I have been hinting at.... Trump just hired Stephen Miller as a senior policy advisor, he had been a top aide to Jeff Sessions and played a role in opposing the gang of 8 amnesty.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 25, 2016 04:22 PM (COpZ4)
---
Very good news, thanks.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 25, 2016 05:09 PM (MbrzC)

357 All I know for sure is that people will make stupid decisions and I will have to deal with the consequences no matter how much I oppose them.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 25, 2016 05:09 PM (bLnSU)

358 I think he'd be an extremely bad, and possibly dangerous, Commander-in-Chief.

===

Like Obama bad? Hillary bad? Carson bad?

Way I'm seeing things, way they're progressing if not stopped dead - we're on the road to a major war, like WW3 major.

I might very well want somebody else in office if that comes about. Realistically, of the handful of candidates on offer, its only Trump that I know would get us through that kind of meat-grinding SHIT and want to unabashedly WIN. Like ticker tape parades and fuck you we won eat shit WIN the thing.

Cruz and Rubio, eh. Dunno.

Posted by: Bigby's Digital Manipulators at January 25, 2016 05:09 PM (3ZtZW)

359 Rubio creamed Hillary,

Phrasing...!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 25, 2016 05:10 PM (oVJmc)

360 Who hasn't Cruz pissed off? NY Slime today has a hit piece on him saying people hated him back in 2000.

If the Slime is attacking him, he must be good.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 25, 2016 05:10 PM (jJRIy)

361 >>Wrong, insulting and not funny is Hollowpoint's schtick. You're better than that.

You just said that we have too much debt and too many illegals for anything to make a difference. I don't agree.

I've hearing DOOM! amongst other things on this blog for years and none of it comes to pass. Things can be turned around and I'm not throwing my vote to Hillary or Bernie because I don't get my first choice. Not happening.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2016 05:10 PM (Hxh2/)

362 Just for the record, I have 9 teeth.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 25, 2016 05:10 PM (xWW96)

363 Who's that in the picture sticking their hand out and saying: "Pull my finger."?

Posted by: wth at January 25, 2016 05:10 PM (HgMAr)

364 And you could also tell the mullahs that if Iran launches a nuke against
any U.S. ally, that you will empty the tubes of all the boomers at sea
into Iran, reload, and do it again, so that when the 12th Imam pops out
of the damn well, he'll say, "Holy f***! I'm on the Moon."

Okay, that made me laugh.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2016 05:10 PM (YXmuI)

365 "Hence the inelasticity of Mr. Trump's support."

We're having trouble reconciling this "conservative vessel for revenge" while most of Trump's support comes from moderate Dems, independents and centrist Republicans.

Posted by: spongeworthy at January 25, 2016 05:10 PM (xB4nF)

366 Worse. He then disparaged everyone who didn't agree with him.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2016 04:49 PM (GGCsk)

You're thinking of Jeb! who does that with respect to immigration and common core.

Rubio tried to sell it. He was all over conservative media, including on Limbaugh's show.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:10 PM (Xd2w5)

367 OK gots to go. Later all

Posted by: Bigby's Digital Manipulators at January 25, 2016 05:11 PM (3ZtZW)

368 Ace sez:

So for me, it has to be Cruz, or Trump. I'd prefer Cruz, as I keep saying. I'll take Trump, though, because, while he's kind of stupid and temperamentally unsuited for the job, he would nevertheless also serve as a repudiation of the Establishment's Corporate Client "Conservatism."

Here's a vivid metaphor to explain Ace's position.

On a table stands a Ming vase. Ace is on one side of the table, and on the other side is a faceless Man in a Suit representing The Establishment.

There are three possible outcomes:

Ace gets the vase;
Mr. Establishment gets the vase;
No one gets the vase, because it breaks.

Cruz wins = Ace gets the vase
Rubio or Hillary wins = Mr. Establishment gets the vase
Trump wins = The voters smash the vase into a million pieces.

With this post, Ace declared he has new "victory conditions":

Previously, his victory condition was "Ace gets the vase." But as of now, the victory condition is "Mr. Establishment does NOT get the vase."

Thus, a victory by Cruz or Trump satisfies Ace's new victory conditions.

A victory by Rubio guarantees a loss, because whoever wins the general, Mr. Establishment gets the vase.

Game theory: is there anything it can't explain?

Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2016 05:11 PM (jBuUi)

369 No, Trump is not my blank slate nor my Obama. I expect every single candidate, if elected, will do something I disapprove of and maybe despise. EVERY SINGLE CANDIDATE (and some will lie only in English).

Almost all of our problems flow from unrestricted legal and illegal immigration. We need to insist on assimilation and have a time out. If I could get that, I might be willing to deal on other issues.

Who does Trump go to for his issue papers? Guys like Sessions. I think he do the same thing when filling positions or picking a cabinet. I also think he cares about folks in the military and would be less likely to waste them in useless wars. If you want to try a time wasting mind game: what would it be like if we ran our foreign policy like China? What if our primary concern was how it would benefit THIS country?

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 25, 2016 05:11 PM (Lqy/e)

370
If you think electing a guy who's family made a good part of it's fortune by doing business with the government is going to be a change agent I've got a wall to sell you.

Oh there'll be change.

I don't expect anything from a President Trump except 2 things:

1. a loud and clear message to the Republican party from me

2. Keeping hillary clinton out of the White House.

That's ALL. I. WANT.

The alternatives, no matter how you slice it, are far worse. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 05:11 PM (cfrRc)

371 We have two candidates, one memorized the Constitution in High School, the other has never read it.

Why is this a choice?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 25, 2016 05:11 PM (jJRIy)

372 nice temper-tantrum. Say good buy to the Republican party if one of these two clowns get the nod. Cruz is about as popular with the general public as the Child catcher from Chitty-chitty bang bang ( he also looks like him by the way). Trump should have the prefix "The-recent-Democrat Trump", and I am not quite sure if the "recent" part is even accurate judging from his positions.
Rubio promoted legalizing illegal aliens to work with some minor penalties 3 years ago when he needed to in order to stay viable in Florida, a state with 25% of the population that are Hispanic. That is about 4.5 million people, which is a larger population alone then 25 states.
My family got off the boat from Ireland at Ellis island, had their papers stamped, and set about breaking the law right away making booze during prohibition. So I guess i should go back to where I belong too.
The fed gov runs legal immigration like everything else. Big , bloated and nonsensical. I would skirt the law too if I had deal with this bureaucracy or feed myself. But this must be one of those fed. policies that is run like a well oiled machine and we should all die on this hill to protect. Cruz and trump supporters treat this part of the economy like a Democrat. It has to be zero sum, only winners and losers. If some one does well and is successful, it was taken from someone else. Stupid.

PS. in 2006, 2008, 2012 we lost. How is that anti-immigration platform working.

PPS. that's my rant, have a nice day.

Posted by: pthomas at January 25, 2016 05:12 PM (mHSam)

373 I love this, I totally agree with you Ace.

Posted by: Adrienne at January 25, 2016 05:12 PM (lVcuh)

374 >>>What I don't get is the Trump supporters who absolutely take him at his (current) word. Especially when they accuse other candidates of flip flopping.

some people are dumb. what's there to get?

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2016 05:12 PM (dciA+)

375 ell, I'd like to see a tax on H1-Bs talked about as a way to "tax those
evil corporations"...$50k/per year sounds about right to me...

Matching salary for an American co-worker-trainee + admin costs + you go home now bond.

Posted by: DaveA at January 25, 2016 05:12 PM (DL2i+)

376 Only thing is my complete and total opposition to vile Felon Hildebeast >> my disgust at Rubio. At least, for now.
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 25, 2016 04:50 PM (Mt8T4)

A-men.

I strongly dislike the Republican Sphinx caucus.

And I used this expression a long time ago. This idea of killing ourselves and calling it "winning" is not new.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:12 PM (Xd2w5)

377 also people say dumb shit to pimp their favorite candidate, thinking that there exist even dumber people to believe it.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2016 05:12 PM (dciA+)

378 I prefer Trump, I'll take Cruz,
Rubio (fuck that guy in particular), and the rest are all stay home \ write-myself-in material.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 25, 2016 05:13 PM (MbrzC)

379 Game theory: is there anything it can't explain?

Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2016 05:11 PM (jBuUi)

Nice. Well put.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 25, 2016 05:13 PM (jJRIy)

380 He did it to mock his followers.

Most of them didn't get they were being mocked.

But that's the way of the Con Man and the Cult Leader.

Trumpeters-whatever you do, don't drink the KoolAid.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2016 05:13 PM (YXmuI)

381 We probably would have gotten a wall as part of the
negotiations. Instead the illegal immigration problem has gotten worse
and the 'reform' will probably be much worse.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 04:57 PM
~~~~
We already got the wall. They just won't build it.

Posted by: IrishEi at January 25, 2016 05:13 PM (E6RIJ)

382 Ace wants to thwart the Chamber of Commerce by voting in Ted "Goldman Sachs" Cruz. And Trump is supposed to be stupid? LOL

Posted by: Gunga Done at January 25, 2016 05:13 PM (pnRrB)

383 Rubio is not my first choice, but I will vote for him against Hillary and not think twice about it. Same with Cruz and Trump. Dems/progressives are my number 1 domestic enemy and I hate them with the fire of a thousand suns.

Posted by: Benji Carver at January 25, 2016 05:13 PM (OD2ni)

384 All candidates flip flop and change their positions

The question is how long ago was it
What is their explanation
How dedicated were they to that position
What has change since they say the Light

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 05:14 PM (kzdjp)

385 You'll take Trump? have you actually seen his immigration policy? sure, he'll build a fence. Then he'll throw open the gates, and re-invite in the immigrants he previously gave the boot. And give them legal status, likely in the form of a work permit.

It's called "touchback amnesty" and neither Rubio nor Cruz has suggested anything nearly that permissive.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:14 PM (Xd2w5)

386 Trump just hired one of Jeff Sessions policy advisors.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 25, 2016 05:14 PM (COpZ4)

387 I will not vote for the Bitch of Benghazi, she of the treasonous security breaches, the whore of lifetime corruption, the sociopathic liar, the vicious SJW.

And sorry, but a non-vote or third party vote would be a vote for her.

(Yes, I know she will win. But I have to do the one tiny thing I can do to resist her.)

As for those who say there is no difference between the Dems and the GOP, try this: the MSM diagrees with you. If ANY Republican SoS pulled this e-mail stunt, we would have wall-to-wall coverage and a bundle of hangings.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 25, 2016 05:14 PM (T/5A0)

388 >>> nice temper-tantrum. Say good buy to the Republican party if one of these two clowns get the nod.

so be it.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2016 05:14 PM (dciA+)

389 Pretty much right there with you, Ace. Cruz if at all possible, Trump otherwise. (I'd give a write-in vote for Biden before Helldebeast or "Socialist" Sanders.) Agree with some others here about Trump; I don't think he's dumb or stupid. Not to have gotten where he has in life. That said, I am not certain that his motivations for wanting to become president are pure or benevolent . . . but which modern presidential candidates CAN we say that about?

Posted by: Shinjinrui at January 25, 2016 05:14 PM (4SznG)

390 Rubio is not my first choice, but I will vote for him against Hillary and not think twice about it.

But of course...isn't that understood?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 05:14 PM (kzdjp)

391 Matching salary for an American co-worker-trainee + admin costs + you go home now bond.

Yes. It should cost more to hire a foreigner even if you really couldn't find an American to do the job. That incentivizes (?) training the workers you already have.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 25, 2016 05:15 PM (evdj2)

392 I want Cruz to grab that vase and smash it over the GOPe's fucking head.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 25, 2016 05:15 PM (xWW96)

393 We could have at least adopted a stripper/pornstar candidate like I suggested a gazillion times but no one listens to me.

Posted by: Weasel at January 25, 2016 05:15 PM (e3bId)

394
I'v looked at this election from every angle. I have concluded that nominating Trump is the best course. Whether he wins or loses, it'll force Change. We need change. Either in the White House or in the GOP, we need drastic change soon or else nothing will ever improve.

We're in dire straits, you know. We are way past business as usual and that's what we'll get if an R besides Trump is elected. It'll be a continuation of the status quo.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 05:15 PM (cfrRc)

395 256 I only have two priorities in this election:

1. Who is the most conservative
2. Who can win

Right now the only candidate that meets those criteria is Trump.
Posted by: Stay out da Bushes at January 25, 2016 04:53 PM (rZJS9)

You're going to love this video: Trump in his own words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcUCLwWCihE

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:15 PM (Xd2w5)

396 ***"Cruz is about as popular with the general public as the Child catcher from Chitty-chitty bang bang ( he also looks like him by the way)."***

Nice try. The "general public" knows as much about Cruz as that character, which is to say, the "general public" doesn't know shit about him.

The people who spew this shit are committed partisans on either side of the aisle.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 25, 2016 05:15 PM (Wckf4)

397 So, just how stupid is the EPA? You can not dump snow into a river or lake because, you know, it might have picked up some sort of shit while it was on the ground. Now it must be trucked to a holding spot, where it melts and then the water goes in to the river.

You know, big difference. Idiots

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 25, 2016 05:15 PM (jJRIy)

398 I know this sentiment isn't popular around here, which is why I usually just lurk, but I'll take the GOP guys who will screw me sometimes over the Democrats and Trump who will screw me 100% of the time.

The Democrats never screwed me. They did exactly what they said they would do. That is why I never supported them.

Boehner, McConnell, McCain, McCarthy, Ellmers, Rubio, and the like HAVE SCREWED ME!!! They lied, they backtracked, they led the failure fucking theater.

Trump has not screwed me yet!

Who knows, he might not screw me? The GOPe, I know from experience, WILL Screw me.

Trump, Cruz, or fuck it and vote for Sanders and the Glorious Revolution.

Posted by: rd at January 25, 2016 05:15 PM (v0YLX)

399 so be it.

Boom.

Ace has spoken.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 25, 2016 05:16 PM (evdj2)

400
God did not make us to stand patiently in queues and politely clap
for our leaders no matter how distant, corrupt, and dismissive.

That's why he made Canadians.

Damn near pissed myself reading this. BRAVO!

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed at January 25, 2016 05:16 PM (jxbfJ)

401 Game theory: is there anything it can't explain?

The Cubs?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 25, 2016 05:16 PM (oVJmc)

402 We could have at least adopted a stripper/pornstar candidate like I suggested a gazillion times but no one listens to me.

They're all libs.

Posted by: eleven at January 25, 2016 05:16 PM (qUNWi)

403 >>1. a loud and clear message to the Republican party from me

>>2. Keeping hillary clinton out of the White House.

>>That's ALL. I. WANT.

>>The alternatives, no matter how you slice it, are far worse. Prove me wrong.

Well that's kind of silly since you can't prove me wrong or you right for that matter. For example, you have exactly zero proof that a guy who until earlier last year held positions very similar to Hillary is now any better just because he's running on a different platform. Zip.

I think Trump is what he always was and that is a liberal Democrat. If I want one of those I have Hillary or Bernie to vote for.

And until a couple weeks ago, Cruz was a conservative hero so it's ludicrous to pretend you have no options and the establishment is controlling everything. Rubio is a distant 3rd right now in polling and Cruz has been building a ground game for the south for months. There is absolutely no reason not to support him if you want a true movement conservative other than he is annoying.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2016 05:16 PM (Hxh2/)

404 That kind of political teamship stuff bugs the crap out of me. They're all politicians. They all have flaws.

Posted by: Lea at January 25, 2016 05:08 PM (lIU4e)

Yes, but where's the fun in life if you can't denounce heretics as being "not of the body"?

I also find this creepy, so clearly we are both aliens or something, because normal humanity is all-or-nothing tribalism.

Either that or it's Going Steady Syndrome.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 25, 2016 05:17 PM (bLnSU)

405 IrishEi yes you are correct that they passed the bill to fund the wall. I guess I should have said 'would have had the wall built'. No matter, we will never know.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 05:17 PM (ziriD)

406 He will probably trade that tiny fraction of the catastrophic market that is still private to be single payer and have the normal, everyday healthcare as fee for service, direct pay from a health maintenance account.

Sure he will.

In fact, Trump will do everything you would like him to do, because he's Mr. Perfect.

Your own.
Personal.
Jackass.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:17 PM (Xd2w5)

407 For some reason Little Marco reminds me of George Stephanopoulos.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 05:17 PM (NUqwG)

408 The Cubs?

Zero Sum Game?

Posted by: eleven at January 25, 2016 05:17 PM (qUNWi)

409 I don't expect anything from a President Trump except 2 things:

1. a loud and clear message to the Republican party from me

2. Keeping hillary clinton out of the White House.

That's ALL. I. WANT.

The alternatives, no matter how you slice it, are far worse. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover

Errr.....30M new liberal FSA voters?

QED

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2016 05:17 PM (YXmuI)

410 We could have at least adopted a stripper/pornstar candidate like I suggested a gazillion times but no one listens to me.

Cicciolina FTW!

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 25, 2016 05:17 PM (1xUj/)

411 Ace,
I listened to post debate podcast this morning & could tell you don't like Rubio. We don't trust him. At least I don't.

Posted by: Carol at January 25, 2016 05:18 PM (sj3Ax)

412 407
For some reason Little Marco reminds me of George Stephanopoulos.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 05:17 PM (NUqwG)

They both have hot wives. Marco wins hands down.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 25, 2016 05:18 PM (jJRIy)

413
I love the typo!: "Say good buy to the Republican party" if Cruz or Trump get the nom.

Good BUY, indeed. A party of goddam lobbyists..

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 05:18 PM (cfrRc)

414 Wait....I just realized voting R is like being a Cubs fan.

I haz a sad.

Posted by: eleven at January 25, 2016 05:18 PM (qUNWi)

415 I know this sentiment isn't popular around here, which is why I usually
just lurk, but I'll take the GOP guys who will screw me sometimes over
the Democrats and Trump who will screw me 100% of the time.

Lets put this into crude terms. Either way we are going to feel pain in our rear. Question is, will it be just the tip.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed at January 25, 2016 05:18 PM (jxbfJ)

416 You can not dump snow into a river or lake because, you know, it might have picked up some sort of shit while it was on the ground. Now it must be trucked to a holding spot, where it melts and then the water goes in to the river.

Whoa there, EPA. As the snowmelt flows towards the river, it might pick up some shit on the ground.

Better take it to a water sanitation facility and filter it before you let it go back into the ecosystem.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 25, 2016 05:19 PM (uURQL)

417 273 Amish dude and the other Trump haters.

Do you read the blog? Are you familiar with this guy Ace and his stance? The one stance that is determining how he approaches politics? That he endeavored to explain, plainly, at the top of this very page?

I disagree. I am making my case. If Ace wants me gone, he can say so.

Not you.

Hence the inelasticity of Mr. Trump's support.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 04:55 PM (xuouz)

So too with Mr. Peron, Mr. Mussolini and Rev. Jim Jones.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:19 PM (Xd2w5)

418 Wait....I just realized voting R is like being a Cubs fan.

I view it as Alien vs Predator: whoever wins, we lose.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 25, 2016 05:19 PM (evdj2)

419 You still don't get it. I don't trust Trump. You are a fool if you trust ANY of them. So Trump may screw us over? EVERY SINGLE CANDIDATE RUNNING WILL MOST LIKELY SCREW US OVER!

So why not go with the one that makes liberals foam at the mouth? Hint-it's not Cruz.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 25, 2016 05:19 PM (Lqy/e)

420
Photo caption:
Oh hardy harrumph har these voter fucks are stupid, eh?

Posted by: wth at January 25, 2016 05:19 PM (HgMAr)

421 392 I want Cruz to grab that vase and smash it over the GOPe's fucking head.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile

Orrrrrr...we could steal the vase, auction if off for a cool $50 million, and donate the money Jeb's anti-Rubio PAC.

Wait -- what?

Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2016 05:19 PM (jBuUi)

422 274 I simply can't trust anyone with a Hispanic sounding name on amnesty.

They'll say their against it, then voila! We'll be letting in millions of Hispanics and Muslims.

Sorry.
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at January 25, 2016 04:55 PM (gisJf)

Message received.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:19 PM (Xd2w5)

423 Re we're supposed to be "unruly". Yeah, and that also means "un-ruleable"!

My moonbat SIL was moaning last Thanksgiving about D's and R's in Congress "not getting along". I informed her that I don't WANT them to get along, because if they are soaping each other's backs, they are in cahoots, and it is almost certainly not for a cause dear to our hearts, but to their own!

I want them at each other's throats! That way I know the vultures are fighting over something that I can vote for or against, and not over who gets first tear into my dead carcass!

Oh, the eye-rolling was amazing to watch!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at January 25, 2016 05:19 PM (n/6oc)

424 Haha Amishdude you're so mad.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 05:20 PM (xuouz)

425 In the primaries, Trump or Cruz with Rubio a very distant third choice.

But for the general, if it's Hillary vs. Rubio, I would hold my nose and vote for the Florida guy. Hillary is worse than Obama, because she's smarter, holds a grudge, and has a better work ethic.

Posted by: mrp at January 25, 2016 05:20 PM (JBggj)

426
Do you have a moment to talk about...Bacon?

https://goo.gl/5PrhJ3

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 05:20 PM (iQIUe)

427 OK, but you don't seem to realize that IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS. People just happen to be complaining about it now because of the shitty economy.

Posted by: CK at January 25, 2016 05:20 PM (Af85Z)

428 Good grief.

Ace isn't banning people over this.

Posted by: eleven at January 25, 2016 05:20 PM (qUNWi)

429 ***"So why not go with the one that makes liberals foam at the mouth? Hint-it's not Cruz."***

You must not've read much lefty opinion on Cruz.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 25, 2016 05:20 PM (Wckf4)

430 "But of course...isn't that understood?"

Not according to some, but perhaps I misunderstood.

Posted by: Benji Carver at January 25, 2016 05:21 PM (OD2ni)

431
Whoa there, EPA. As the snowmelt flows towards the river, it might pick up some shit on the ground.

Better take it to a water sanitation facility and filter it before you let it go back into the ecosystem.

LAUNCH IT INTO SPACE: It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 25, 2016 05:21 PM (oVJmc)

432 Rubio is the Dauphin Bush but with better marketing skills. Or as I like to call him the False Bush, named after the fake claimants for Russian Tsar.

Posted by: Michael K at January 25, 2016 05:21 PM (8w5oQ)

433 I also find this creepy, so clearly we are both aliens or something, because normal humanity is all-or-nothing tribalism.

Either that or it's Going Steady Syndrome.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 25, 2016 05:17 PM (bLnSU)

Maybe we're those hybrid alien babies from the ont!

I really hate it, though. Even more, I hate people screaming that I just don't understand! Yeah, I do. I really really do. Elections bring out the crazy, though.

Posted by: Lea at January 25, 2016 05:21 PM (lIU4e)

434 I'm sorry to tell you this, ma'am, but this is a fake Ming vase made in China in the 1990s. Sorry to hear you paid full-price for it.

Posted by: antiques roadshow expert at January 25, 2016 05:21 PM (DLIIY)

435 64 You've never answered the question.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 04:30 PM (xuouz)
---

You're not the only one to notice that.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 25, 2016 05:21 PM (MbrzC)

436 but this is a fake Ming vase made in China

It's not fake, it's a replica.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 25, 2016 05:22 PM (evdj2)

437 In the mean time, we gave these scumbags the House and Senate... and they did NOTHING.

Actually, they've been cutting the deficit, but I suspect that you haven't done any research to justify your assessment of "NOTHING".

http://tinyurl.com/nmusdcm

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:22 PM (Xd2w5)

438 Preach it brother Ace. Spot on.

At this point, I'm for Trump. My 2 cents is that his ego will require him to build the southern wall.

That action alone will be the most conservative thing a Republican at the federal level has done in 25 years or more.

Thing is, I can live with Cruz.

I will not criticize Cruz supporters and hope they will return the favor.

Besides the enemy within, the establishment, lets not forget the other enemy-the godless, Marxist Democrats.

Posted by: Grumpyguy at January 25, 2016 05:22 PM (6OScs)

439 Whoa there, EPA. As the snowmelt flows towards the river, it might pick up some shit on the ground.

Better take it to a water sanitation facility and filter it before you let it go back into the ecosystem.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 25, 2016 05:19 PM (uURQL)

Mo doubt. All rain in the future will have to be treated!

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 25, 2016 05:23 PM (jJRIy)

440 Did MUMR sneak back in?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 25, 2016 05:23 PM (Wckf4)

441 *snort*

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 25, 2016 05:23 PM (evdj2)

442 Trump on Wolf right now doubling down on ethanol because he's bonding with Iowans and Evangelicals.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 25, 2016 05:23 PM (1xUj/)

443 383 Rubio is not my first choice, but I will vote for him against Hillary and not think twice about it. Same with Cruz and Trump. Dems/progressives are my number 1 domestic enemy and I hate them with the fire of a thousand suns.

There is no difference between the GOPe and the Democrat Progressive Socialists. Do you hate the GOPe with the fire of a thousand suns?

I do. I hate the GOPe worse, because they betrayed me and their supposed principles.

Posted by: rd at January 25, 2016 05:23 PM (v0YLX)

444 so you are saying electing a self proclaimed deal making demagogue who was a proud liberal five minutes ago and ensuring a liberal supreme court for the next three decades is going to lead a conservative, self government? Maybe in 50 years...after the collapse.

exactly how is trump's amnesty plan any different from anyone elses? He is going to build a wall?? Yeah ...democrats are going to allow that? Oh...and then he is going to deport 11 million people...the courts are going to allow that? Oh...then he is going to let the "good ones" back in, because "immigrants love trump". So Trump is proposing the really, really expensive immigration plan that maximizes disruption to the ecomony, housing market and people's lives and also happens to be unfeasible and will never happen. Enjoy your temper tantrum.

Posted by: tz at January 25, 2016 05:23 PM (P2wJR)

445
photo thought bubbles:
Schumer thinking: "They have no idea how evil I am."
Rubio thinking: "Nyuk, nyuk, it's great to be one of the bros!"
McCain thinking: "My feet hurt, my ass hurts, can we just get this over with?"

Posted by: wth at January 25, 2016 05:23 PM (HgMAr)

446 You know the scene at the end of Animal House when the Delta guys say that this situation requires a stupid and futile gesture on someone's part?

And then they go wreck the parade?

Yeah, that's where we are.

Time to wreck the parade.
Posted by: Bluedog803 at January 25, 2016 04:27 PM (cbriZ)

Man, I am soooo stealing this. Love this.

Posted by: Max Power at January 25, 2016 05:23 PM (q177U)

447 I disagree. I am making my case. If Ace wants me gone, he can say so.

You're making your case in exactly the wrong way. Pointing out constantly that Trump violates all the political norms of the Mandarin Class makes him *more attractive* in this climate, not less.

(Disclaimer: Cruz is still my guy, but I think the bile being spewed over the Trump thing is hilarious).

Posted by: Ian S. at January 25, 2016 05:23 PM (3CwVB)

448
22 year old Swedish female asylum centre worker just been stabbed to death in Gothenburg by asylum seeker

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 05:23 PM (iQIUe)

449 MUMR window-licking continues.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 25, 2016 05:23 PM (oVJmc)

450 Maybe we're those hybrid alien babies from the ont!

Posted by: Lea at January 25, 2016 05:21 PM (lIU4e)

I wanna go home!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 25, 2016 05:23 PM (bLnSU)

451 When he sees the true scope and inefficiency of the federal government, his business background will kick in

Where do you people get these predictions about how Trump will act and react, when it's totally at odds with his history and personality?

You. Are. Being. Played.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:23 PM (Xd2w5)

452 I disagree. I am making my case. If Ace wants me gone, he can say so.

Not you.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:19 PM (Xd2w5)

I'm not asking you to leave or to shut up. It's just blowing my mind that you're taking this perfectly well-reasoned and well laid-out explanation of why Trump is an acceptable vote in the interest of destroying one of our corrupt political parties and reading it as enthusiastic endorsement and full-out MAGA footie pajamas.

It's all right there. I'm not an unthinking redneck choking on a corndog in my excitement to voting for something I don't understand. It's a political maneuver intended to make it politically painful for our representatives to continue to lie to us, their constituents.

Jog on, shill.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 05:24 PM (xuouz)

453 I know this sentiment isn't popular around here, which is why I usually
just lurk, but I'll take the GOP guys who will screw me sometimes over
the Democrats and Trump who will screw me 100% of the time.

Sorry. You are mistaken. GOPe has screwed conservatives repeatedly since '88. I'll take my chances with Trump this time.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2016 05:24 PM (VDCWC)

454 TRUMP!

Posted by: Make America Great Again at January 25, 2016 05:24 PM (LXJ1e)

455 The sooner you accept the hopelessness of your situation, the easier it becomes to laugh at the clowns and fools running the circus on your behalf.

Posted by: Weasel at January 25, 2016 05:24 PM (e3bId)

456 434 I'm sorry to tell you this, ma'am, but this is a fake Ming vase made in China in the 1990s. Sorry to hear you paid full-price for it.
Posted by: antiques roadshow expert

But the guy on eBay said it was real!

Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2016 05:24 PM (jBuUi)

457 405
IrishEi yes you are correct that they passed the bill to fund the wall.
I guess I should have said 'would have had the wall built'. No matter,
we will never know.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 05:17 PM
~~~
It's hard to keep track when you've been screwed so many times.

Posted by: IrishEi at January 25, 2016 05:24 PM (E6RIJ)

458 who does obama think will advance his agenda, rubio or trump? QED.

Posted by: tz at January 25, 2016 05:24 PM (P2wJR)

459 Do you know who else accused voters of throwing a temper tantrum?

Peter Jennings following the 1994 midterm election.

Same song, different verse.

Posted by: Jess at January 25, 2016 05:24 PM (8olbK)

460
Republicans and obama cut the deficit??
Cut the shit, man.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 05:24 PM (cfrRc)

461 432
Rubio is the Dauphin Bush but with better marketing skills. Or as I like
to call him the False Bush, named after the fake claimants for Russian
Tsar.

Ah, Rubio the Merkin. It has a ring to it.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2016 05:24 PM (YXmuI)

462 A troll just farted at me.

That hurts.

Posted by: eleven at January 25, 2016 05:24 PM (qUNWi)

463 Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2016 05:19 PM (jBuUi)

Heh. Its funny how Jeb has spent tons of money against another also-ran. It's like scratching a crab while being eaten by a shark.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 25, 2016 05:24 PM (xWW96)

464 So another week until the Iowa vote, yes? And then it's on to New Hampshire?

I wonder if I can put myself on an alcohol IV drip while I'm sleeping.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 25, 2016 05:25 PM (4ErVI)

465 "I know the feeling but, in the end you can't let anyone else own your vote, by argument or anger. Especially fakey internet people."

Hey! You take that back! BTW, that Jackie girl really likes some guy...

Posted by: Haven Monahan at January 25, 2016 05:25 PM (kG9Ed)

466 You just said that we have too much debt and too many illegals for anything to make a difference. I don't agree.

I don't say "no difference".
I say "insufficient difference to prevent cascade failure".

The deficit, debt, unfunded liabilities, illegals, etc. are ALL prone to non-linear failures. GOPe vs. HRC is NOT a sufficient difference IMAO.

Posted by: DaveA at January 25, 2016 05:25 PM (DL2i+)

467 Trump is flawed--sort of flawed beyond imagination but the Fcuker WILL build that goddamn wall , take care of our Vets, and stop the fcuking Chinese from ISIS- raping us at every turn OR there WILl be open in-the-street rebellion.

Yeah, well Obama did none of that and there hasn't been "open in-the-street rebellion".

I love your prognostications.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:25 PM (Xd2w5)

468 "We are Americans, damn it. We are supposed to be unruly. We are supposed to be rebellious."

Don't forget impertinent, especially to corrupt, criminal men who think themselves absolute kings.

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people
to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another..."

Posted by: heartofdarkness at January 25, 2016 05:25 PM (MQ0Jr)

469 oooo. 'Temper tantrum.'

I remember Peter Jennings saying that about, what was it, the '94 Congress?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 25, 2016 05:25 PM (oVJmc)

470 This is the first election that I have participated in that I say "let it burn." When Ace gave up this past year I was feeling the exact same thing. I will not go down. Instead I will stand idly by and enjoy the embers. Hopefully we can come back from the Matrix but I am only 45% hopeful.

Posted by: Let it burn at January 25, 2016 05:25 PM (ZBJ/I)

471 Sorry, I've been out of touch, are there any regular commenters who are supporting Rubio?

I understand several years ago there was a garbage molesting phase, but that is long past, no?

Posted by: simplemind at January 25, 2016 05:26 PM (BTnAK)

472 It's Trump, Cruz or embers.

Posted by: Let it burn at January 25, 2016 05:26 PM (ZBJ/I)

473 The Cold War is over. Nothing in the GWOT is going to go sideways far and fast enough that having a maniac CIC would be worse than the pathetic traitor we've had for the past 7 years.

Yeah, sure. What's a few nukes here and there?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:26 PM (Xd2w5)

474 Trump's plan is to use the government to try to 'fix' things. Cruz's plan is to get the government out so they don't break things.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 05:26 PM (ziriD)

475 Pointing out constantly that Trump violates all the political norms of
the Mandarin Class makes him *more attractive* in this climate, not
less.

Yes, that's the argument being made against him.

Please.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2016 05:26 PM (YXmuI)

476 22 year old Swedish female asylum centre worker just been stabbed to death in Gothenburg by asylum seeker
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 05:23 PM (iQIUe)

Act of love for the host country. Act. Of. Love.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 25, 2016 05:26 PM (uURQL)

477 The people running the country are just going to consider the election a non-binding referendum anyway.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 05:26 PM (NUqwG)

478 ***"Republicans and obama cut the deficit??"***

Yeah, they're getting it down to the astronomical levels the GO Pjacked it up to before.

Winning!

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 25, 2016 05:27 PM (Wckf4)

479 Say good buy to the Republican party if one of these two clowns get the nod.

Feature, not a bug.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 25, 2016 05:27 PM (9krrF)

480 Mittens was my last RINO vote.

in 2014, the GOPe here in #Failifornia gave us Neal Cash and Carry, a gun hating POS who was in the Obola administration as the opposition to Moonbeam Brown.

i voted for both of them, rather than leave the race blank, so no one could "fix" my error.

since this state will vote for whomever has the (D) after their name, i don't have to listen to anyone telling me i have to hold my nose, since the outcome is already a given... although Trump might be able to carry it.

F the GOPe, sideways, with a tanker's bar wrapped in 3 coils of rusty concertina wire

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 25, 2016 05:27 PM (AH8UG)

481 Tangentially related ... where did all these self-appointed judges of what is and is not "conservative" come from ?

Because that seems to be the tactic de jour of trying to control how we vote. Damn you - you can't vote for Trump ... he's not "conservative". Ted Cruz is a poser ... just a fake "conservative".

Fuck me - I can't think of a single damn group that attempts to control people via controlling the literal meaning of labels - instead of the long, dirty, nasty point by point business of getting in the weeds and going through the issues blow by blow.

Well shit ... Yes I can. We call them Democrats \ Progressives \ Socialists. Guess it's time to add Republicans to the list.

I guess then, at least for me, I'll fall back on the advice of the brilliant philosopher Duane The Rock Johnson ...

... You can take that Conservative label, shine it up real good ... Go on, keep shining ... Then turn that son of a bitch sideways ... And stick it straight up your establishment ass.

Posted by: Irony at January 25, 2016 05:27 PM (Wztg5)

482 See, guys, we have to have amnesty, guys:

As tens of thousands of children fleeing violence in Central America crossed the border in search of safe harbor, overwhelmed U.S. officials weakened child protection policies, placing some young migrants in homes where they were sexually assaulted, starved, or forced to work for little or no pay, an Associated Press investigation has found

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2016 05:27 PM (W0RfD)

483 Sorry, I've been out of touch, are there any regular commenters who are supporting Rubio?
I understand several years ago there was a garbage molesting phase, but that is long past, no?
Posted by: simplemind at January 25, 2016 05:26 PM (BTnAK)

A broken heart does all sorts of crazy things.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 25, 2016 05:27 PM (uURQL)

484 286 I'm glad I was here for Ace's Charles Johnson / Little Green Footballs moment.
Posted by: Vyce at January 25, 2016 04:57 PM (HI7nL)

Yep. I guess it happens to everybody sooner or later. One of the things I got from the NR writers. They're told when they start "politicians will always disappoint you".

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:27 PM (Xd2w5)

485 All being said, Cruz really isn't an outsider. Not really. And any large financier like Trump has to do business with the government, local and/or federal. Both have a record in government dealings. But there's one thing Trump hasn't been involved that Cruz has: Senate collegiality.

No matter how many in congress say they hate Cruz, they know they still own some of his markers. Cruz will have to make some distasteful deals with some of these people. Your ignorance shows if you don't think he'll have to.

Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2016 05:27 PM (Fmupd)

486 In non-Soviet Russia, banhammer aces you!

Posted by: yackoff smiranov at January 25, 2016 05:27 PM (DLIIY)

487 It all makes sense when you come to realize that when they say 'we' they don't mean 'us'.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 25, 2016 05:27 PM (NeFrd)

488 >>Pointing out constantly that Trump violates all the political norms of
the Mandarin Class makes him *more attractive* in this climate, not
less.

That is about as backwards as possible. Trump IS the Mandarin class.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2016 05:27 PM (Hxh2/)

489 Good grief.

Ace isn't banning people over this.

Posted by: eleven at January 25, 2016 05:20 PM (qUNWi)

No, but call someone a poopy-head and see what happens!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 25, 2016 05:28 PM (zc3Db)

490 Note to Iowans that love Trump stumping for ethanol. I wouldn't bet the corn-farm on it. He's likely saying anything to win. He's not an ideologue... he's a pragmatist first and foremost.... so an issue lie ethanol subsidies/mandates will likely fall to an argument in 18 months of... pragmatism of a business man. Policy set when oil was over 100/bbl doesn't make sense when oil is likely to be under 50/bbl for many, many years.

Trump will win... We'll get Trump Wall. Anything else will be icing.

Posted by: Yip at January 25, 2016 05:28 PM (e7T6D)

491 The bigger you make the deficit the easier it is to make big cuts.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 05:28 PM (NUqwG)

492 Ace is correct.

Amnesty is the Establishment game plan. There is no country if there is amnesty.

Posted by: Who Knows at January 25, 2016 05:28 PM (W+Itt)

493 the Establishment cannot be permitted to walk out of this with a big W.

That's where the money is buried.

Posted by: Smiler Grogan at January 25, 2016 05:28 PM (FkBIv)

494 And one last thing thatI think is being missed here. That's the fun factor. We've had 8 years of the Lecturer in Chief. 8 long boring years of being told to eat our spinach. And that is why Trump and Old-Man-Who-Spits are doing well. Most people do not pay attention to politics unless they have to. They are finding it entertaining enough to watch the Republican debates! I am not saying that it's a good way to pick your President. I do think there are a lot of folks on both sides that would vote for Trump and not admit to it.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 25, 2016 05:28 PM (Lqy/e)

495 22 year old Swedish female asylum centre worker just been stabbed to death in Gothenburg by asylum seeker

Well. She died doing what she loved....

Posted by: eleven at January 25, 2016 05:28 PM (qUNWi)

496 Not wanting the ban hammer solution will only say that those who think Marco did not really , really mean it when he either stupidly or treacherously(or both) pushed legalizing 20? million illegals....

Legalization is the perfect, absolute, cosmic certainty that the USA, in one election, becomes Kalifornia.

There are NO !!!! 'conservative' causes /positions/voting records that nullify Rubio's ignorance/betrayal on amnesty.

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at January 25, 2016 05:28 PM (fC+Kl)

497 nice temper-tantrum. Say good buy to the Republican party if one of these two clowns get the nod

You DO understand that this IS an acceptable (hell, desired) outcome for many of us, right?

Posted by: FITP at January 25, 2016 05:28 PM (fHNVl)

498 What I don't understand about the anger towards Rubio about past positions on immigration is the non anger with Trump on his past positions on immigration.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 05:29 PM (ziriD)

499 The woman has an arabic name and some racy photos on the web. The murderer is 15 years old. Maybe he saw them or just the fact that she was a hawt woman without a bag over her head caused him to go staby. The attack was described as frenzied.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 05:29 PM (iQIUe)

500 AmishDude, it's not just that half the R's aren't Conservative. It's that half the R's are fully on board with obama.

You talk as if half the R's are moderates, but lean Right. Not so. They are Progressives. And frauds.

No, it's more complicated than that. But it's been a long time since Reagan. It's been a long time since conservatism was cool. Trump will (to the extent he's tied to the movement) make conservatism ugly. Cruz will make conservatism a little weird. Rubio will make it comfortable.

And you've got to hold his feet to the fire. Got to hold Cruz' too cause he can be oily.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:30 PM (Xd2w5)

501 So, guess what?

Harris County decided not to charge PP because they sell baby parts, but rather indict the film makers who proved that they sell baby parts instead.

Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2016 05:30 PM (Kqit+)

502 "nice temper-tantrum. Say good buy to the Republican party if one of these two clowns get the nod."

I don't think you've completely understood the terms here: we've already said goodbye to the Republican Party.

Posted by: holygoat at January 25, 2016 05:30 PM (ZgI/r)

503 I chose a bad day to run errands. Ace is on fire. I want to comment on shit he posted hours ago.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 25, 2016 05:30 PM (1ijHg)

504
If the GOP ceased to exist in 2011, how would things be different today?

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 05:30 PM (cfrRc)

505 That Blind Gossip info was lifted (and slightly garbled) from another site, sorry can't remember the name, that reported on this a few days ago and DID name the candidate: it's Rubio. Don't know why Blind Gossip would leave the best part out?!

Apparently, when Rubio was about 19 and living with this other Hispanic guy, the two of them were busted while parked at night in a car at a public park notorious for gay cruising and drug dealing. What exactly they were arrested for hasn't been reported yet. Years later (2007 iirc?) the other guy was arrested in relation to a child porn video operation. I believe they got the info from arrest reports, that is, there are documents backing up the story, it's not just gossip.

Posted by: Trotsky w/a thesis in his headwound at January 25, 2016 05:30 PM (Y4Gwv)

506 And they still think their death panel health care is great!

It's virtue signaling.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:30 PM (Xd2w5)

507 It all makes sense when you come to realize that when they say 'we' they don't mean 'us'.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon

Simple distinction but so on target and correct.

Posted by: Cheri at January 25, 2016 05:31 PM (oiNtH)

508 Marco is Angel Merkel.

We are the Germans.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 25, 2016 05:31 PM (1ijHg)

509 Maybe if the histrionics go to '11' things will all be made right.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 25, 2016 05:31 PM (oVJmc)

510 That is about as backwards as possible. Trump IS the Mandarin class.

Socially, sure. But I said politically, and politically he's about as far away as you can get. The Mandarins all agree that replacing the American voters with immigrants is the Glorious One-World-Government Future. The Mandarins all agree that the Mexican government, which publishes glossy how-to-sneak-into-the-US pamphlets, is not culpable for illegals. And so on.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 25, 2016 05:31 PM (3CwVB)

511 And in 2020 with President Hillary running for re-election from her Rascal Scooter, what then?

Hillary is 68 years old.

Trump is 69.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:31 PM (Xd2w5)

512
It's kind of a trick question. The GOP, as a political party does not exist, really. They are large group of eunuchs and lobbyists.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 05:31 PM (cfrRc)

513 It's not fake, it's a replica.
No, it's been altered with intent to deceive. See here where they artificially scarred the bottom? And you can still smell the pig manure they buried it in to give it that aged patina. You say you bought it from someone named "McConnell" did you?

Posted by: antiques roadshow expert at January 25, 2016 05:31 PM (DLIIY)

514 355
Trump made the "shoot someone on 5th ave" comment to create a double standard in relation to presidential candidates who have committed felonies.

He did it to mock his followers.

Most of them didn't get they were being mocked.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:09 PM (Xd2w5)

Because he couldn't have possibly been speaking hyperbolically about his appreciation for the loyalty of his supporters' as a sort of inside joke that a rabid anti-trumpite might fail to comprehend. Nope. He was mocking them.

Hating Trump and hating lawyers, how's Rubio looking?

Posted by: rebel flounder at January 25, 2016 05:31 PM (3dOE/)

515 Ace wants to thwart the Chamber of Commerce by voting in Ted "Goldman Sachs" Cruz. And Trump is supposed to be stupid? LOL

Posted by: Gunga Done at January 25, 2016 05:13 PM (pnRrB)

Well, lookie here who made $431,000 off Goldman Sachs: http://tinyurl.com/jcg3nko

Posted by: Country Singer at January 25, 2016 05:31 PM (GUBah)

516 "Trump will win... We'll get Trump Wall. Anything else will be icing."

I live in Arizona, not only are we being invaded from the south but we are flying them in from the middle east Somalia to be exact. Immigration is the end game. We win or else.

Posted by: Let it burn at January 25, 2016 05:32 PM (ZBJ/I)

517 This argument applies equally to GOPe squishes like Jeb and Christie.

Establishment delenda est.

Posted by: Flaccid Member at January 25, 2016 05:32 PM (5fSr7)

518
The chief power of the Presidency is to help clarify the nation's values and purpose. It's corny, but the Bully Pulpit is real.

After Watergate, the 70's and Carter, Reagan educated a generation in almost-lost values. The result wasn't perfect, or permanent, but there was a definite change of the trend, and the country bought more time.

So eight years of Obama, and his ministers, and appointees have taught the nation to hate, ignore or rewrite its history, to view the world as victims of American colonialism, for Americans to identify only by sex acts, skin color or perceived oppression. "You didn't build that.." "Get off your high horse" Let's let all the people in the world come to America and claim rights here without any obligation to assimilate, etc etc.

So after all this, and the state we're in, what exactly will Trump will teach the country ?

A leader without a legacy is just a bump in the road to decline.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at January 25, 2016 05:32 PM (k8tEg)

519 Trump is 69.
==============

Yeah, but how old is his hair?

Posted by: mrp at January 25, 2016 05:32 PM (JBggj)

520 I agree that people are allowed to change their positions. Problem with Rubio is that he campaigned on one issue and immediately upon being elected did a 180.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 05:32 PM (iQIUe)

521 That is about as backwards as possible. Trump IS the Mandarin class.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2016 05:27 PM (Hxh2/)

WTF?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 25, 2016 05:32 PM (uURQL)

522 98 What I don't understand about the anger towards Rubio about past positions on immigration is the non anger with Trump on his past positions on immigration.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 05:29 PM (ziriD)

Rubio has done it with the aid of the newsmedia in obedience to the party.

Trump has done it in the teeth of the media in order to undermine the party.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 05:33 PM (xuouz)

523 So, Ace is endorsing Trump with this post?
He's the most revolutionary of the candidates running
as a "Republican."

Posted by: Mister Ghost at January 25, 2016 05:33 PM (+gBtd)

524 Ok I'm throwing my support behind Ecuadorian highway crossing sloth:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hce8j2d

Granted he can't cross a street and just finished peeing on a street sign but couldn't you say the same about any politician. At the end of the day I just trust his smile.

I will except a cross ticket maybe something like Sloth/Cruz or Sloth/Trump.

Posted by: bananaDream at January 25, 2016 05:33 PM (Ag8Mw)

525 And would Rubio have changed stances if Trump wasn't in this race?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 05:33 PM (xuouz)

526 Funny thing. I will vote for Cruz in the SC primary.

If Trump wins the nom, I will vote for him in the Nov.

There is no effing way I will ever vote for Rubio. If Rubio gets the nom,
Commie Bernie is our next POTUS.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 25, 2016 05:33 PM (1ijHg)

527 Rubio isn't my first choice, but he's not my last, either. I can recall a time when we didn't require candidates to be absolutely perfect.

Reagan signed a horrible abortion bill in California. But he was Reagan. I shudder to think what that would have done to him if he were running today.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:34 PM (Xd2w5)

528 Ok, so we'll put the Amish Dude down for He Told us So.
Should save another 20 posts.

Posted by: John the Mailman at January 25, 2016 05:34 PM (wyL+Z)

529
Posted by: Smiler Grogan at January 25, 2016 05:28 PM (FkBIv)

+1000 for the reference.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 25, 2016 05:34 PM (oVJmc)

530 496
Exactly. I think strong borders has become another in our list of things we expect our candidates to have without question (among them Pro-life and strong 2nd amendment.)

The problem is that I do not think that the party leadership has realized either that it has risen to that level of importance for people, or that it was their own actions that caused it to do so.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 25, 2016 05:34 PM (iHjB5)

531 So, Ace is endorsing Trump with this post?
He's the most revolutionary of the candidates running
as a "Republican."

What I read was that he prefers Cruz but will accept Trump if he has to.

Posted by: eleven at January 25, 2016 05:34 PM (qUNWi)

532 There are lots of ways to make Mexico pay for the wall. All of these immigrants send payments home to their families so there is no reason you can't attach a surcharge to those transactions and any other transaction which moves money to Mexico. 3 million people sending a wire once a week at a $10 surcharge gives you $30 million a week. And the higher the fee the less the incentive there is for people to come here. Or you could put a tariff on Mexican products etc... You could get free labor by offering citizenship to whoever works on the fence.

Another way to do it is to threaten to put an army division on the southern border and tell Mexico that if they are taking the position that borders don't matter we will take them at their word and carve out some space from their northern territories. Either we are sovereign nations with territorial integrity or it is all free game. They get to decide which they prefer and we will act accordingly.

It is actually pretty easy to force Mexico to either tighten the border or build a fence etc... No one has even bothered asking them to this point. But you need to stake out a maximalist position and then negotiate from there. Trump is a big enough bastard that he could get a good deal. We might all end up in the gulag under him, but if he wanted the border secure it would be secure.

Posted by: Thatch at January 25, 2016 05:34 PM (pBZp4)

533 Legalization is the perfect, absolute, cosmic certainty that the USA, in one election, becomes Kalifornia.

Then we'll finally get our transcontinental monorail.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 25, 2016 05:34 PM (FkBIv)

534 "Yeah, but how old is his hair?"

Much younger.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 25, 2016 05:34 PM (1ijHg)

535 I have a nice, comfortable job in upper management. I have done everything right and played by all of the rules, all of my life. I'm now within sight of a nice, comfortable retirement, which I now fully expect to never realize due to the total fuck ups running the country. Fuck these people, each and every one of them.

Let it Burn.

Posted by: Weasel at January 25, 2016 05:34 PM (e3bId)

536 Cruz was cited for having an open container.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 05:35 PM (iQIUe)

537 And you've got to hold his feet to the fire. Got to hold Cruz' too cause he can be oily.

Posted by: AmishDude

Hmmmm, are you sure you've thought this through?

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2016 05:35 PM (YXmuI)

538
monorail
Monorail
MONORAIL!

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 25, 2016 05:36 PM (evdj2)

539 Ace, a little potential cheer for your day--if you are able, please go view Robert De Niro's voiceover introduction to last night's Fox NFC championship game. I was extremely surprised.

Don't forget De Niro's *other* role as a gangster, besides Corleone.

Posted by: That Guy at January 25, 2016 05:36 PM (J3UIw)

540 Cruz was cited for having an open container.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 05:35 PM (iQIUe)
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He's panhandling for donations?

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 05:36 PM (NUqwG)

541 I don't understand anything about Trump.

It dawned on me today while the Left has been sparing in its criticism of Trump as opposed to others (Rubio, Cruz, Carson). The press is lazy, and Trump is an order of magnitude easier to lampoon during the general election than the rest of the candidate. Hell, SNL satires will probably suffice.

Posted by: Levin at January 25, 2016 05:37 PM (wFwCH)

542 I have a nice, comfortable job in upper management. I have done everything right and played by all of the rules, all of my life. I'm now within sight of a nice, comfortable retirement, which I now fully expect to never realize due to the total fuck ups running the country. Fuck these people, each and every one of them.

Let it Burn.

*fistbump*

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 25, 2016 05:37 PM (evdj2)

543 how am I like Charles Johnson for writing a blog post?

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2016 05:37 PM (dciA+)

544 And gays have turned every effin park into a gay cruising area after dark. So, you cant park anywhere. I had some atty argue to me that the woman's washrooms in a park were off limits to women bc everyone knew they were gay cruising areas. It's really sick.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 05:37 PM (iQIUe)

545 519 Trump is 69.
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Yeah, but how old is his hair?
Posted by: mrp at January 25, 2016 05:32 PM (JBggj)

It is only 16 (sang to Sam Cooke's "Only Sixteen")

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 25, 2016 05:37 PM (iHjB5)

546 Totally agree, Ace. That's why I'm not registered for either party.

Show me you have changed, and I will sign up for the Republicans. Not a minute before.

And not one of these guys or gals running has military experience. So basically it's all about making money at home, and sending the military whom they disrespect off to foreign shores to make themselves look good.

Posted by: pj at January 25, 2016 05:37 PM (cHuNI)

547 The best case scenario about Rubio is that he trusted chuck Schumer. Best case he's a dummy. Best. Case.

Posted by: simplemind at January 25, 2016 05:37 PM (BTnAK)

548 Then we'll finally get our transcontinental monorail.
"Intercontinental", dumb-ass!

Posted by: president o'bumbles at January 25, 2016 05:37 PM (DLIIY)

549 Don't forget De Niro's *other* role as a gangster, besides Corleone.

Jimmy "The Gent" Conway?

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 25, 2016 05:38 PM (evdj2)

550 That quote in the Washington Post was "poor, uneducated, and easy to command", and it was about the Religious Right (i.e., conservative Christians), not all conservatives. You keep getting this wrong. Time to get it right.

Posted by: Matt at January 25, 2016 05:38 PM (W4XHR)

551 It is actually pretty easy to force Mexico to either tighten the border or build a fence etc... No one has even bothered asking them to this point. But you need to stake out a maximalist position and then negotiate from there.

AND THAT is The Art of the Deal.
You get 80%, they get 20%.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2016 05:38 PM (VDCWC)

552 Romney was a moderate by Mass standards (eg left wing). And yet NRO and the rest were willing to call him a conservative. Most of my respect went out the window for them at that point.

NR endorsed Romney in 2007. Considering this was against McCain, it made perfect sense. They endorsed nobody (pre-primary) in 2011-2, but Steyn did have a cover story against Gingrich (who, if you remember was proposing a lot of BigGov stuff, like a moon base).

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:38 PM (Xd2w5)

553 how am I like Charles Johnson for writing a blog post?

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2016 05:37 PM (dciA+)

He wrote blog posts, you write blog posts. PROOF! OF SOMETHING!

Do you like dogs? Hitler liked dogs.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 25, 2016 05:38 PM (bLnSU)

554 Posted by: Thatch at January 25, 2016 05:34 PM (pBZp4)

It would be nice sometime to think about an omnipotent ruler doing the right things but Trump would not have the power to unilaterally do the things we would like to be done. I think he truly believes he will because that's how he runs his businesses. He is in for a rude awakening if he happens to become President.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 05:39 PM (ziriD)

555 #448, Bruce, yikes, I have a good friend who lives in Gothenburg, she married a Swede, they have a son and a daughter.

She hears almost nothing of what's going on there, the govmnt really has a lockdown on the info --- but I guess she won't be able to miss this one.

Posted by: Trotsky w/a thesis in his headwound at January 25, 2016 05:39 PM (Y4Gwv)

556 >>Socially, sure. But I said politically, and politically he's about as far away as you can get. The Mandarins all agree that replacing the American voters with immigrants is the Glorious One-World-Government Future. The Mandarins all agree that the Mexican government, which publishes glossy how-to-sneak-into-the-US pamphlets, is not culpable for illegals. And so on.

Did you happen to read this article?

http://tinyurl.com/pervyyu

Also, here he is backing the auto bailout back in 2011.

http://tinyurl.com/3plgtf5

Sorry, the real Trump is not the guy who has been on the trail the last few months.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2016 05:39 PM (Hxh2/)

557 Trump does not have to beg the MSM to cover what he says. Cruz would. That's half the battle-getting the message out.

People in this country think we are on a downhill slide. Their kids will have a poorer standard of living. The country gets humiliated militarily. We can't build anything here any more. They are not looking for someone to tell them about the benefits of small government. They want someone to tell them that it doesn't have to be that way. And that is what they will vote for. And as someone in a very blue state, the Sanders people are the same way.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 25, 2016 05:39 PM (Lqy/e)

558 That's a fine photo of a bicycle chain, ye've got there, ace!

Posted by: wild irish hose at January 25, 2016 05:39 PM (DLIIY)

559
Worst case scenario.
So Bernie or Hillary wins the WH. While in office Kennedy, or one of the Conservative justices dies or quits. Rabid liberal justice will be appointed and the SC will be lopsided. That will be all it takes for them to completely gut the Constitution. The 2nd will be the first to go is my guess.
Just thinking out loud. Helps with future prepping.

Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 25, 2016 05:39 PM (uhftQ)

560 Conservatives require a vessel for our vengeance, a tool for undoing the work of the self-appointed American aristocracy, a weapon, and this weird blowhard from New York is looking heavy and sharp. This is our sole political objective.

He's a wrecking ball. And he will smash everything.

Including that little old lady's house that he tried to eminent domain out of existence.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:39 PM (Xd2w5)

561
Ace nails it again.

Cruz or Trump it must be. Rubio means I stay home. Whatever else is happening to this nation, it will be destroyed with Amnesty.

The GOP is long gone. Let THEM burn.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2016 05:39 PM (zLP1L)

562 Don't forget De Niro's *other* role as a gangster, besides Corleone.

Jimmy "The Gent" Conway?

Also the guy in witness protection in France in "The Family".

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 25, 2016 05:40 PM (1xUj/)

563 I watched Ted Cruz debate David Dewhurst for the Senate
seat that Cruz now holds. I have been all-in for him as a candidate,
for anything he might choose to run for, ever since about ten minutes into the first round.

No one ever talks much about Cruz' tenure at the FTC, but it conclusively shows that he can do effective bipartisan work to protect business. What he did in the FTC is a good complement to what Trump knows the country needs.

I think either Trump or Cruz would be an outstanding President, and both are experienced enough to know how to work very well as a team.

Posted by: Bluey Raisin at January 25, 2016 05:40 PM (sSxn3)

564 " Trump would not have the power to unilaterally do the things we would like to be done"

Where the fuck have you been the past 8 years?

Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2016 05:40 PM (Z/8dZ)

565 Start negotiations with Mexico.....

How about a moon base. With a wall around it. And Mexico will pay for all of it. Why? Because, that's why.

F' Mexico.

Posted by: Yip at January 25, 2016 05:40 PM (e7T6D)

566 (who, if you remember was proposing a lot of BigGov stuff, like a moon base).
Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:38 PM (Xd2w5)
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That would have avoided an eminent domain crisis.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 05:40 PM (NUqwG)

567 DiNiro is a moonbat lefty

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 05:40 PM (kzdjp)

568 Just look at the picture of those smug jackasses. If they could once be made to really understand the depth of the loathing of them....Ah, hell, they still wouldn't care.

Posted by: D the J at January 25, 2016 05:40 PM (nb0oH)

569 The problem, of course, is that the GOP never learns the right lesson.

When their squish loses, they just think it means they need a squishier squish.

Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2016 05:41 PM (Z/8dZ)

570 559
Worst case scenario.
So Bernie or Hillary wins the WH. While in office Kennedy, or one of the Conservative justices dies or quits. Rabid liberal justice will be appointed and the SC will be lopsided. That will be all it takes for them to completely gut the Constitution. The 2nd will be the first to go is my guess.
Just thinking out loud. Helps with future prepping.
Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 25, 2016 05:39 PM (uhftQ)

_____

This will happen regardless of who wins. Rep or Dem prezzie doesn't matter, liberals always get appointed to SCOTUS.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 25, 2016 05:41 PM (0LHZx)

571 "It is time to actually revolt. Not just talk about it -- actually do it."

What did you have in mind?

Posted by: wheatley at January 25, 2016 05:41 PM (F/5Z4)

572 Okay, that's a good essay. Ace, you once said that you can never convince anyone in politics because most of our political beliefs come from emotion, not reason. You changed my mind today. For the past week, I've been Cruz first, nobody second. This essay gives me at least one reason to make Trump number two.

Cruz, however, would send the clearest message against the establishment. If Trump wins, GOPe will just invent some other lesson like if they put Mitt Romney in a monster truck, he might win next time.

Posted by: Global Warming caused Hillary's alcoholism at January 25, 2016 05:41 PM (T1Jm0)

573 I have been Tea Party from day one. The Tea Party gave control of both house and senate to the republicans. The Tea Party. If Ted Cruz gets the nomination, the Tea Party will give the presidency to the republicans. And yet, the republicans hate us, the Tea Party. This unreasonable hatred will be repaid with interest in 'the burning time'. Or as I like to call it, the zombie apocalypse.

Posted by: Eromero at January 25, 2016 05:41 PM (b+df9)

574 Does Rubio even have a chance? He's not mentioned in the upcoming Iowa NH races.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 05:41 PM (iQIUe)

575 Mexico is a failed narco-state. We should make their northern states into a protectorate.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 25, 2016 05:42 PM (evdj2)

576 559
Worst case scenario.
So Bernie or Hillary wins the WH. While in office Kennedy, or one of the Conservative justices dies or quits. Rabid liberal justice will be appointed and the SC will be lopsided. That will be all it takes for them to completely gut the Constitution. The 2nd will be the first to go is my guess.
Just thinking out loud. Helps with future prepping.
Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 25, 2016 05:39 PM (uhftQ)

Most if not all Democrat nominees are given a thumbs up by the GOP. Virtually all GOP nominees are blood-libeled and opposed tooth and nail. Except the closet libbos like Kennedy and Roberts.

I say President Trump dissolves the SCOTUS or removes the 5 leftists and leaves Alito, Scalia and Thomas.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2016 05:42 PM (zLP1L)

577 DiNiro is a moonbat lefty

So what? He's an actor.

Do you know your butcher's politics? The dry cleaner's?

You pay DeNiro to entertain you, unless you don't find him entertaining.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 25, 2016 05:42 PM (1xUj/)

578
AND THAT is The Art of the Deal.
You get 80%, they get 20%.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2016 05:38 PM (VDCWC)

____

After 8 years of getting 0%, I'd be happy getting 25%.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 25, 2016 05:42 PM (0LHZx)

579 531 So, Ace is endorsing Trump with this post?
He's the most revolutionary of the candidates running
as a "Republican."

What I read was that he prefers Cruz but will accept Trump if he has to.
Posted by: eleven at January 25, 2016 05:34 PM (qUNWi)

Amazing isn't it. Revolutionary? Fucking please. He's a liberal who is saying conservative shit to get elected. He's like the horny teen in the back of the car with his girl. "A wall? Sure baby whatever you want. I'll even make Mexico pay for it! Just let me stick the tip in. Come on baby!".

And I'm the asshole because I don't believe it.

Posted by: Napoleon Dynamite at January 25, 2016 05:43 PM (UnJ7w)

580 564 " Trump would not have the power to unilaterally do the things we would like to be done"

Where the fuck have you been the past 8 years?
Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2016 05:40 PM (Z/8dZ)

Lauren, darling. That power is reserved solely for the use of and for Marxists.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2016 05:43 PM (zLP1L)

581 After 8 years of getting 0%, I'd be happy getting 25%.

We need 200% for ten years just to get back to even.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 25, 2016 05:43 PM (evdj2)

582 "'We could have at least adopted a stripper/pornstar candidate like I suggested a gazillion times but no one listens to me.'

They're all libs.
Posted by: eleven at January 25, 2016 05:16 PM (qUNWi)"

Mercedes Carrera and Jenna Jameson are both good follows on twitter. Both are pretty conservative.

Posted by: holygoat at January 25, 2016 05:43 PM (ZgI/r)

583 Amishdude enjoy being mad all night.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 05:43 PM (xuouz)

584 Off Napoleon sock!

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 25, 2016 05:44 PM (UnJ7w)

585 100% agree with your assessment Ace. Why I read the HQ.

Posted by: NotEasilyLed at January 25, 2016 05:44 PM (GPJlC)

586 I'm not *for* Trump because I like Trump, but because he gives us a shot at escaping the government-sprawl spiral. We need a home run.

Saaaaa-wing and a miss.

What you want is a Big Dumb Gesture.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:44 PM (Xd2w5)

587 Interesting article about Trump being stupid.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ptsgu9w

Posted by: scif at January 25, 2016 05:44 PM (t+ssG)

588 577 DiNiro is a moonbat lefty

So what? He's an actor.

Do you know your butcher's politics? The dry cleaner's?

You pay DeNiro to entertain you, unless you don't find him entertaining.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 25, 2016 05:42 PM (1xUj/)

_____

Fair enough. But if your dry cleaner had a "Conservatives Are Evil People" sign in his window, would you still keep going there or would you find someone else? With a few exceptions here and there, every Hollywood actor is essentially telling conservatives to fuck off. So why would you want to give them your hard earned money?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 25, 2016 05:44 PM (0LHZx)

589 For those of you living in Iowa, what is like there this week? Are you completely inundated with political ads on local channels, folks petering you with questions at the grocery stores, etc.?

Posted by: IC at January 25, 2016 05:44 PM (a0IVu)

590 I pretty much agree with ace. My only caveat is that, on the other side, there's Clinton and Sanders who would utterly destroy the country. I'm pretty sure a Rubio presidency would do the same, but at least he would act like he didn't mean to.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 25, 2016 05:44 PM (B8JRQ)

591 Like Obama bad? Hillary bad? Carson bad?

Dr. Strangelove bad.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:44 PM (Xd2w5)

592 Amish Dude at 467.
Your skepticism is understood and possibly correct.

The vote here is for Trump to 'show'...not place or win. Santa Claus is not coming to DC in November.

If Trump turns out to be a pro-abortion , ethanol swilling, eminent domain abuser it will be unfortunate but we will STILL be better off if he only does the one thing his whole political existence is built on --THE WALL.

Demographics are destiny.

Build the wall or eat shit as a formerly free people..

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at January 25, 2016 05:45 PM (fC+Kl)

593
I make a point of not financially supporting Totalitarians who wish to enslave me.

So, no, I don't put money in Deniros pocket to entertain me. And I don't patronize businesses who support Totalitarianism.

And deniro is a shitty actor.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 05:45 PM (cfrRc)

594 For years, working poor/lower middle class in the construction industry: roofers, framers, painters have been replaced by those who are here illegally. No one cared. As long as the "new" folks aren't political wonks, they never will.

Posted by: ever at January 25, 2016 05:45 PM (QZdJj)

595 Amishdude enjoy being mad all night.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 05:43 PM (xuouz)

He sure does repeat himself a lot.

"The spittle....it's coming from inside the screen!"

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 05:45 PM (Z8fuk)

596 So what? He's an actor.

Do you know your butcher's politics? The dry cleaner's?

You pay DeNiro to entertain you, unless you don't find him entertaining.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 25, 2016 05:42 PM (1xUj/)

If they open their fuckin left wing mouths I do and then do not frequent them anymore as a matter of fact and I don't go to the movies anymore, haven't in 15-20 years, so i will not igve one of them pinko fuckin asshole hollywood types my money!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 05:45 PM (kzdjp)

597 The problem, of course, is that the GOP never learns the right lesson.
When their squish loses, they just think it means they need a squishier squish.
Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2016 05:41 PM (Z/8dZ)

They're maintaining frame. "You want the squish. You want electability."

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 25, 2016 05:46 PM (uURQL)

598 DeNiro is the 6th Kardashian sister.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 05:46 PM (iQIUe)

599 Some Morons just want to watch the world burn.

Posted by: My Cocain's Dirty Underpants at January 25, 2016 05:46 PM (xudgf)

600 Fuck I agree 100% with moo moo. What is the world coming to

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 05:46 PM (kzdjp)

601 They are not looking for someone to tell them about the benefits of
small government. They want someone to tell them that it doesn't have to
be that way. And that is what they will vote for.

That's a very nice analysis.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2016 05:46 PM (LAe3v)

602 DeNiro.

A handsome idiot.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 25, 2016 05:47 PM (1ijHg)

603 1. a loud and clear message to the Republican party from me

If you want to send a message, use Western Union.

2. Keeping hillary clinton out of the White House.

You mean the recipient of Trump's donations?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:47 PM (Xd2w5)

604 543 how am I like Charles Johnson for writing a blog post?

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2016 05:37 PM (dciA+)

You're not.

Just ignore that silly bullshit.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 25, 2016 05:47 PM (tGxSx)

605
This will happen regardless of who wins. Rep or Dem prezzie doesn't matter, liberals always get appointed to SCOTUS.-----Moo Moo

Sure seems to be the case. However, with the dems we know for certain how they will vote. When appointed by the Reps, it's a coin toss.

Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 25, 2016 05:47 PM (m3iiU)

606 >>>Don't forget De Niro's *other* role as a gangster, besides Corleone.

Jimmy "The Gent" Conway?

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 25, 2016 05:38 PM (evdj2)

Paul Vitti?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 25, 2016 05:47 PM (zc3Db)

607 #587 Thanks for that link, scif.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 25, 2016 05:48 PM (DLIIY)

608 >>>Don't forget De Niro's *other* role as a gangster, besides Corleone.

Jimmy "The Gent" Conway?

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 25, 2016 05:38 PM (evdj2)

Paul Vitti?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 25, 2016 05:47 PM (zc3Db)

Sam Rothstein?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 25, 2016 05:48 PM (zc3Db)

609
Ace is more like Charles Manson than Charles Johnson.

Or more like Charles Nelson Reilly.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 05:49 PM (cfrRc)

610 Recently released Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard was stopped short of addressing a meeting of American Jewish leaders Monday for fear his comments could land him back in jail after word of the meeting leaked.

Instead, Pollard delivered a brief opening statement to the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, before letting his wife Esther speak out against his draconian parole conditions on his behalf, according to a statement from the Justice for Jonathan Pollard group.

http://goo.gl/E0sURW

===============

If you dont like the parole conditions, go back to prison.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 05:49 PM (iQIUe)

611 He might be lying to us. We know for a fact the others are.

So yeah, if you want to make a big stink that people are seeing a thin sliver of hope and making it out to be the formula for turning lead into gold, that's fine.

Just don't act indignant that all you get in return for your venom, your ad hominem with no concrete rebuttal, no other plan, is more venom.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 05:49 PM (xuouz)

612 Bandy ... We're getting to the point, rather quickly, where you damn sure better know your barber's politics.

Especially if you like a shave.

Just because you ain't interested in politics ...

Posted by: Irony at January 25, 2016 05:49 PM (Wztg5)

613 "That's why he made Canadians."

Canada used to have a much better government than the US, eh.

Posted by: Justin Trudeau, Drooling Idiot at January 25, 2016 05:49 PM (Mrl1e)

614 Amazing isn't it. Revolutionary? Fucking please. He's a liberal who is saying conservative shit to get elected. He's like the horny teen in the back of the car with his girl. "A wall? Sure baby whatever you want. I'll even make Mexico pay for it! Just let me stick the tip in. Come on baby!".

And I'm the asshole because I don't believe it.

Posted by: Napoleon Dynamite at January 25, 2016 05:43 PM (UnJ7w)

Trump rips the mask off the GOPe.

"This isn't the hill to die on!"

Gee, if you just took a stand on the issue, you'd have won like Trump.

You didn't. You chose to lose. Even if Trump turns out to be a backstabbing liar like many other politicians, he ran and won on the issues you rejected.

Die, GOPe. Go join your forefathers the Whigs.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 25, 2016 05:49 PM (uURQL)

615 Nice try. The "general public" knows as much about Cruz as that character, which is to say, the "general public" doesn't know shit about him.

Don't fool yourself, they see ads. One thing about Cruz, even in his own ads his delivery is...odd.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:50 PM (Xd2w5)

616 Keeping hillary clinton out of the White House.

You mean the recipient of Trump's donations?
Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:47 PM (Xd2w5)

Come on don't be naive...He had big dealings in NY and NYC, of course he donated to both parties, that is how it works...

You want to hate Trump fine...there are plenty of reasons to hate him, but THAT is not one of them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 05:50 PM (kzdjp)

617 Amazing isn't it. Revolutionary? Fucking please. He's a liberal who is
saying conservative shit to get elected. He's like the horny teen in the
back of the car with his girl. "A wall? Sure baby whatever you want.
I'll even make Mexico pay for it! Just let me stick the tip in. Come on
baby!".

And that's another really good analogy. One that most of us can relate to.

**cough**

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2016 05:50 PM (LAe3v)

618 Boehner, McConnell, McCain, McCarthy, Ellmers, Rubio, and the like HAVE SCREWED ME!!!

Maybe it's time to grow up, kid.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:50 PM (Xd2w5)

619 Pollard should state that he also gave secretes to Iran. That will get him a full pardon from Obama,

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 25, 2016 05:51 PM (0LHZx)

620 543 how am I like Charles Johnson for writing a blog post?

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2016 05:37 PM (dciA+)

You aren't. Charles Johnson is a two bit shit eating dog. You aren't.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 25, 2016 05:51 PM (xWW96)

621 Ace O. Spades is just his pseudonym. He was born Ace. O. Schicklgruber.

Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2016 05:51 PM (jBuUi)

622 Some people say a problem with Trump is that he will be executive order happy as a run-the-show type of businessman.

I don't think that would be a problem as he would be impeached immediately what with Elected Dems and GOPe all hating his guts. It would be good to move back to a separation of powers and checks and balances.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at January 25, 2016 05:51 PM (QdAXQ)

623 Andrew C McCarthy was on Prager but only heard the very end but did hear a podcast with my morning guy. He lays out the NR case pretty well. But I'm not the one he's arguing against.

Posted by: Skip at January 25, 2016 05:51 PM (hk3Fb)

624 If you want to send a message, use Western Union.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:47 PM (Xd2w5)

Alright, so we know he's an *old* loser, probably at least 40.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 05:51 PM (xuouz)

625 Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2016 05:40 PM (Z/8dZ)

Texas like you. You think Trump will be able to just start issuing executive orders outside of his constitutional powers? He's running as a Republican. Where the fuck have you been?

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 05:51 PM (ziriD)

626 I think ace is right, but I can't vote for Trump.

THE most important thing the next president will do is appoint 2 or three SCOTUS Justices.

I can't trust a progressive like Trump to appoint any decent judges--he agrees with Ginsburg, Breyer and Stevens on Kelo, FFS.

I'll vote third party before I'll vote for Trump, and I have never not voted GOP in a presidential election.

Posted by: stace, Gary Johnson/SMOD 2016 at January 25, 2016 05:52 PM (CoX6k)

627 Moon base.... with luxurious suites! Lunar pool, with beautiful view! Only the best Trump steaks will be served at the Moon base. Tours of the lunar surface daily! And... Mexico paid for all of it.

Of course... it will look very nice. And Mexico and Saudi Arabia will pay for it. In years, it will probably be referred to as Trump Base Awesome.

I like this. Excellent.

Posted by: Yip at January 25, 2016 05:52 PM (e7T6D)

628 570---This will happen regardless of who wins. Rep or Dem prezzie doesn't matter, liberals always get appointed to SCOTUS.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 25, 2016 05:41 PM (0LHZx)
-------------
Then the entire SCOTUS is "liberal" now! So we have nothing to lose if Thomas, Alito, and Scalia are replaced with 3 wise Latinas!

That 5-4 Heller decision was perhaps a clerical error?
No matter. It will be "corrected."

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 25, 2016 05:52 PM (T/5A0)

629
Amish, what grade would you give the R's in Congress for the past 4 years?

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 05:52 PM (cfrRc)

630 I know this sentiment isn't popular around here, which is why I usually
just lurk, but I'll take the GOP guys who will screw me sometimes over
the Democrats and Trump who will screw me 100% of the time.

This is a rational adult view.

I know it's more fun to rant and rave and hold absolute positions and threaten to take your ball and go home.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:53 PM (Xd2w5)

631 And his Right 2 Rise checks aren't checks. They wire him the money via...Western Union.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 05:53 PM (xuouz)

632 >>He might be lying to us. We know for a fact the others are.

For someone who keeps complaining that people don't understand why you support Trump you sure are missing the obvious, of course Trump is lying to us or he was lying for the first 60 plus years of his life. Which seems more likely to you?

Never mind, I know the answer.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2016 05:53 PM (Hxh2/)

633 He might be lying to us. We know for a fact the others are.

I don't know for a fact that Cruz is lying. I think he's canny enough to see how it's to his benefit to vote. I can live with that.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2016 05:54 PM (LAe3v)

634 Mitch the Bitch and Paulie Ryan would find out about this thing called impeachment if Trump becomes president.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 25, 2016 05:54 PM (0LHZx)

635 osted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:50 PM (Xd2w5)

Which candidate do you, support, AD? I haven't seen you mention that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2016 05:54 PM (w4NZ8)

636 At this point, I'm for Trump. My 2 cents is that his ego will require him to build the southern wall.

You're reading him wrong. Trump's ego will cause him to forget about the stupid wall and you'll love him anyway.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:54 PM (Xd2w5)

637 Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 05:50 PM (kzdjp)

He's also donated big to Reid and Rahm.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 05:54 PM (ziriD)

638 I know it's more fun to rant and rave and hold absolute positions and threaten to take your ball and go home.
Posted by: AmishDude

I know. it's terrible when people start ranting and raving.

Posted by: x at January 25, 2016 05:54 PM (nFwvY)

639

Amish, what grade would you give the R's in Congress for the past 4 years?

Lethal injection?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 25, 2016 05:54 PM (oVJmc)

640 Just don't act indignant that all you get in return
for your venom, your ad hominem with no concrete rebuttal, no other
plan, is more venom.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR

What does that mean? You mean, they're all jiggity and fucko and shit?

Posted by: Yip at January 25, 2016 05:55 PM (e7T6D)

641 Oh, poop. Reading fail.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 25, 2016 05:55 PM (oVJmc)

642 I do. I hate the GOPe worse, because they betrayed me and their supposed principles.
Posted by: rd at January 25, 2016 05:23 PM (v0YLX)

By definition, the GOPe don't have principles.

Sphinx caucus.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:55 PM (Xd2w5)

643 I know this sentiment isn't popular around here, which is why I usually
just lurk, but I'll take the GOP guys who will screw me sometimes over
the Democrats and Trump who will screw me 100% of the time.

_____

Dude, the GOP has been screwing you 100% of the time for a decade. Worst that happens with Trump is status quo.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 25, 2016 05:55 PM (0LHZx)

644 []You aren't. Charles Johnson is a two bit shit eating dog. You aren't.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile

Also, a pussy. Which you ain't.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2016 05:55 PM (LAe3v)

645
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 25, 2016 05:49 PM (uURQL

Cruz is not GOPe. Hell they hate him more than Trump. So save the GOPe lecture for someone that actually supports them. I'm not throwing my principles away as a Conservative because I'm angry. Go ahead and cut off your own nose to spite your own face.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 25, 2016 05:55 PM (UnJ7w)

646 Il-y a un nood

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 25, 2016 05:55 PM (1xUj/)

647 You want a monorail

You'd accept a monofilament

You'll get mono.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 25, 2016 05:56 PM (NeFrd)

648
What do you think of the Republicans in Congress execution?

I'm all for it.

Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 25, 2016 05:56 PM (uhftQ)

649

hahahahaha @ Gary farking Johnson

I love how you principles for the Court won't allow you to vote for Trump, but Gary Johnson is okay.

You care SO MUCH for the Court to have conservatives on it, you'll go out of your way to throw the election to Clinton and support a dildo like Gary Johnson.

Mensa Mike Winning!!

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 05:56 PM (cfrRc)

650 Why would Trump start WWIII?

He's got everything in the world to lose.

Posted by: eleven at January 25, 2016 05:56 PM (qUNWi)

651 so you are saying electing a self proclaimed deal making demagogue who was a proud liberal five minutes ago and ensuring a liberal supreme court for the next three decades is going to lead a conservative, self government? Maybe in 50 years...after the collapse.

exactly how is trump's amnesty plan any different from anyone elses? He is going to build a wall?? Yeah ...democrats are going to allow that? Oh...and then he is going to deport 11 million people...the courts are going to allow that? Oh...then he is going to let the "good ones" back in, because "immigrants love trump". So Trump is proposing the really, really expensive immigration plan that maximizes disruption to the ecomony, housing market and people's lives and also happens to be unfeasible and will never happen. Enjoy your temper tantrum.

Yup.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:56 PM (Xd2w5)

652 Ace. O. Schicklgruber

Bwhahahaaaaa. Awesome Zombie...

Posted by: Yip at January 25, 2016 05:56 PM (e7T6D)

653 THE most important thing the next president will do is appoint 2 or three SCOTUS Justices.

That's setting a rather low bar.

The most important things Obama has done have nothing to do with the SCOTUS.

The SCOTUS will not salvage liberty. It cannot prevent immigration and the destruction of America as a country. They cannot wage war or conduct diplomacy.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 25, 2016 05:56 PM (uURQL)

654 Then the entire SCOTUS is "liberal" now! So we have nothing to lose if Thomas, Alito, and Scalia are replaced with 3 wise Latinas!

That 5-4 Heller decision was perhaps a clerical error?
No matter. It will be "corrected."
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 25, 2016 05:52 PM (T/5A0)

________

You're living in the past. If you think today's senate would confirm an Alito or Scalia you're in dreamland. Best they will do is confirm a Souter and even then it'll be 52-48.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 25, 2016 05:57 PM (0LHZx)

655 446 You know the scene at the end of Animal House when the Delta guys say that this situation requires a stupid and futile gesture on someone's part?

And then they go wreck the parade?

Yeah, that's where we are.

Time to wreck the parade.
Posted by: Bluedog803 at January 25, 2016 04:27 PM (cbriZ)

Man, I am soooo stealing this. Love this.
Posted by: Max Power at January 25, 2016 05:23 PM (q177U)

The reference to the "futile and stupid gesture" is not a compliment.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:57 PM (Xd2w5)

656 What does that mean? You mean, they're all jiggity and fucko and shit?
Posted by: Yip at January 25, 2016 05:55 PM (e7T6D)

Yeah mostly that their faces look like lunchmeat and they're so full of shit the whites of their eyes are brown.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 05:57 PM (xuouz)

657 @587

Anyone who uses Trumps admission to Wharton as a marker for a IQ doesn't understand how Wharton admits people.

Ever heard of RICH kids with RICH parents getting in?

Nah, never happens. The story is bull shit.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 25, 2016 05:57 PM (jJRIy)

658 O/T I get the Jonah Goldberg weekly email that is supposed to be funny.
Yeah. Trump is not a conservative. But guess what?

My top two issues: Illegal Aliens and Legal Muslim aliens.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 25, 2016 05:57 PM (1ijHg)

659 how am I like Charles Johnson for writing a blog post?

You aren't, Ace. Hell, I've argued with you many times...some arguments I still think you are wrong on, some I'd retract if I could.......You have zero LGF tendencies

Posted by: FITP at January 25, 2016 05:58 PM (fHNVl)

660
ace I'm fairly sure you're not taking accusations of any resemblance to Cahrles Jhnoson too seriously.

As for "conservatives" being easily led, dunno. But there is, unsurprisingly, a dramatic gap between what most conservatives - who are unhappy with things - think, and how bad things actually are. That is, they're much much worse.

The most obvious one that comes up constantly here is how normal people (those without extensive geek knowledge or experience of normal process on Capitol Hill) seem to greatly underestimate just how bad things are. Just how spectacularly the congressional GOP has decided not to fight or make a difference, and certainly not to win based on differentiation (from the other party)and results. Which has always been the normal approach.

Instead, we see this bizarre thing (repeated twice) of the Beltway GOP dragged, literally kicking and frowning and whining, to put out some half-assed "agenda" just before what most anticipated would be landslide mid-terms. Both in 2010, and 2014.

For anyone with relevant direct experience in the prior America (the one before 200

, this spectacle was astounding. It showcased the near total-separation of the transactional political element (get control of a legislature and its committees) from policy considerations of any kind.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 25, 2016 05:58 PM (QDnY+)

661 Your meme that Trump is a progressive won't stick, friends.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 25, 2016 05:58 PM (xuouz)

662 He's also donated big to Reid and Rahm.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 05:54 PM (ziriD)

So? He has business interests all over the Country. There is context to everything. It is not always black and white. As I said there are plenty of things to be concerned about with Trump, his donations are not one of them.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2016 05:58 PM (kzdjp)

663 Thanks for putting into words what I felt in my gut. I know that Rubio's Heritage score is over 95%, but I can't help feeling that electing Rubio is the same as electing Bush, but in a more appealing package. He'll just end up surrounding himself with Bush people - Jebs and W's. "Personnel is policy" as they say. That's basically the same thing that nagged me about Romney. Didn't matter how severely conservative he passed himself off as in the campaign, he was just going to surround himself with Mass. liberals Chamber types, and that fat f'er John Sunnunu.

Posted by: ZonToro at January 25, 2016 05:58 PM (JhfEi)

664 I keep reading how vital it is to elect a GOP prezzie because of SCOTUS. Yeah and? You elect Rubio, you think he's going to appoint Scalia Part 2? Fuck no. He'll appoint Hariet Myers. Wake the fuck up.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 25, 2016 05:58 PM (0LHZx)

665 You're living in the past. If you think today's senate would confirm an Alito or Scalia you're in dreamland. Best they will do is confirm a Souter and even then it'll be 52-48.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 25, 2016 05:57 PM (0LHZx)

They will confirm Cruz in a heartbeat.

They want him out of the Senate.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:59 PM (Xd2w5)

666 I agree with Ace that it is time to actually revolt.

The way I will do this is by voting for Trump.

I know I will be labeled with words like racist, sexist, non-conservative. Happily, these words have lost any meaning and I will follow through despite clumsy attempts to malign my intent and intelligence.

Posted by: Who Knows at January 25, 2016 05:59 PM (W+Itt)

667 FYI - Ace - us Canadians went through all this 25 years ago and blew up the establishment Conservative party....

Posted by: jr at January 25, 2016 05:59 PM (ZjTux)

668 Cruz is not GOPe. Hell they hate him more than Trump. So save the GOPe lecture for someone that actually supports them. I'm not throwing my principles away as a Conservative because I'm angry. Go ahead and cut off your own nose to spite your own face.
Posted by: Arson Wells at January 25, 2016 05:55 PM (UnJ7w)

That's nice and completely irrelevant. Cruz doesn't have the impact Trump does.

As for principles - you need to preserve the nation of America before you can conserve it. I am a nationalist American before I am a "Conservative".

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 25, 2016 06:00 PM (uURQL)

669 I know a very bright guy that went to Wharton. His Indian (dot not feather) father was very disappointed that he studied Computer Science. After a few years slogging in the trenches, Dad's argument won over. Yes. he was rich. But he was smart enough to get in either way.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 25, 2016 06:00 PM (1ijHg)

670 Amish, what grade would you give the R's in Congress for the past 4 years?

The R's in Congress are not running for President.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 06:00 PM (Xd2w5)

671 >>It's hard to keep track when you've been screwed so many times.

Word

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 25, 2016 06:00 PM (c7vUv)

672 569 The problem, of course, is that the GOP never learns the right lesson.

When their squish loses, they just think it means they need a squishier squish.

This times one billion. "Oh my God, we lost again! We just didn't appeal to the liberals enough."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 25, 2016 06:00 PM (B8JRQ)

673 Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 25, 2016 05:58 PM (0LHZx)

What is wrong with Harriet Miers? You don't have an answer. You're just like a parrot repeating memes.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 06:01 PM (ziriD)

674 Jack Straw,
I have that article open in Safari browser.
I switch to Mercury for here.

Posted by: Carol at January 25, 2016 06:01 PM (sj3Ax)

675 667 FYI - Ace - us Canadians went through all this 25 years ago and blew up the establishment Conservative party....
Posted by: jr at January 25, 2016 05:59 PM (ZjTux)

_____

And paid for it handsomely with 10 years of Jean Chretien. But I guess, like we needed Carter to Get Reagan, you needed Chretien to get Harper.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 25, 2016 06:01 PM (0LHZx)

676 What is wrong with Harriet Miers? You don't have an answer. You're just like a parrot repeating memes.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 06:01 PM (ziriD)

_____

Is that you Senor McCain?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 25, 2016 06:01 PM (0LHZx)

677 The Mandarin Class ... I didn't know what it was. Quick Google says its the DC types (for example) that don't work those typical high school jobs mowing or in restaurants, but have some career path already established for them and are networking. They have the uber education but don't know how life works for the commoners.

I don't think that is Trump, and his kids claim Dad had them work the regular menial jobs. Trump even 20 years ago was saying he gets along better with the cab drivers and so on. Maybe that was just his schtick, but he talks like he is trying to relate to the commoner, and he seems to succeed at it.

He maybe had some illegals on some construction site, which was probably a contractor. That field is full of illegals as I understand it, and part of why we have to close the border. Companies can't compete with cheap labor very well, when one company can have the illegals and another tries to play by the rules.

His "you're fired" might seem like a Mandarin Class thing, it is in some senses. But it's a TV show for commoners, on how to get a job. I haven't even seen his shows, but they seem geared toward relating to the common man ... his audience. The Mandarin Class would not reach so low as to touch the commoners.

at least that's my brief take. He speaks to the common man without teleprompter ... that is not what a Mandarin Class man does, imo. Whether he is real or not ... idk, hopefully he is building a platform he will follow through on, custom designed, just like a building.

Posted by: Illiniwek at January 25, 2016 06:02 PM (5Gpe2)

678 The reference to the "futile and stupid gesture" is not a compliment.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:57 PM (Xd2w5)

It is when it comes from the right person.

"Your gun clinging is a futile and stupid gesture!"

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 25, 2016 06:02 PM (uURQL)

679 Thanks for putting into words what I felt in my gut. I know that Rubio's Heritage score is over 95%, but I can't help feeling that electing Rubio is the same as electing Bush, but in a more appealing package. He'll just end up surrounding himself with Bush people - Jebs and W's.

Not in the inner circle anyway. The Jeb camp hates Rubio.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 06:03 PM (Xd2w5)

680 Let me get this straight? You agree with Rubio on 90% of the issues, but you'll never vote for him. But you only agree with Trump on 10% of the issues, but you will vote for him? I don't understand that at all. You're not really a conservative, then.

Posted by: rexbatt at January 25, 2016 06:03 PM (woA40)

681 Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 25, 2016 06:01 PM (0LHZx)

Just as I thought. Why don't you go fill out a fraudulent form somewhere.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 06:03 PM (ziriD)

682 Only a paid Troll could be as persistent as Amish Dude has been in this thread. Just give it up - nobody is going to vote for your business as usual establishment toady. You're trying sell rancid dog turds by describing them Swedish meat balls.

Seriously, nobody cares about what you have to say.

So besides collecting your money from the GOPe - what exactly is your goal with these posts? Save the Republic? Save the GOP? Doesn't matter - they're both already dead and decomposing - Trump is just the M.E. calling the time of death.

Posted by: An Observation at January 25, 2016 06:04 PM (Kk9qK)

683 Trump even 20 years ago was saying he gets along better with the cab drivers and so on.

Yeah. He would say that. Cab drivers might have a different view.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 06:04 PM (Xd2w5)

684
You care SO MUCH for the Court to have conservatives on it, you'll go out of your way to throw the election to Clinton and support a dildo like Gary Johnson.

Mensa Mike Winning!!
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 25, 2016 05:56 PM (cfrRc)

Only because I don't see Trump appointing better judges than Hildemort would, so what's the difference?

Posted by: stace, Gary Johnson/SMOD 2016 at January 25, 2016 06:04 PM (CoX6k)

685 I am a nationalist American before I am a "Conservative".
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January

So what you want a Mussolini if he goes full 'Merica? I'm talking about the principles that the country was founded on. You know Liberty, private property rights, free association. But by all means enjoy supporting the cult of personality that is reality star and terrific business man Donald Trump. Wow.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 25, 2016 06:05 PM (UnJ7w)

686 Or more like Charles Nelson Reilly.

Truer words have never been spoken

Posted by: FITP at January 25, 2016 06:06 PM (fHNVl)

687 Ace has gone off the fucking rails. I understand he fucking hates Mexicans, but jeez.

Posted by: Fuck Off at January 25, 2016 06:06 PM (X26bL)

688 "So, Ace is endorsing Trump with this post?
He's the most revolutionary of the candidates running
as a "Republican."
Posted by: Mister Ghost at January 25, 2016 05:33 PM (+gBtd)"

No, he's endorsing Cruz. Trump is his fall-back position.

Posted by: holygoat at January 25, 2016 06:06 PM (ZgI/r)

689 Only a paid Troll could be as persistent as Amish Dude has been in this thread. Just give it up - nobody is going to vote for your business as usual establishment toady. You're trying sell rancid dog turds by describing them Swedish meat balls.

I am passionate and have a flexible schedule.

Trump, BTW, is as business-as-usual as you can get. A master of eminent domain, con artist par excellence.

I simply regard Trump -- buffoon, clown, leftist and jackass -- as a non-starter for President. Period.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 06:07 PM (Xd2w5)

690 The Religion of Peace at work.

http://tinyurl.com/jc8jbsk

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 25, 2016 06:07 PM (jJRIy)

691
Nip congrats on your kitties going to the Sooper Bowl. Game yesterday was disappointing (as in, kinda boring, for a non-partisan just wanting a good game). Sorta fear the Sooper thing will be typical - i.e. lopsided and boring (in favor of your team).

No matter. Old friend always has a good party that brings together the old crowd. Most years the game is barely a background distraction (if it's not close).

Posted by: rhomboid at January 25, 2016 06:08 PM (QDnY+)

692 If you want to send a message, use Western Union.
Posted by: AmishDude
Alright, so we know he's an *old* loser, probably at least 40.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR

He's just repeating Samuel Goldwyn's thoughts about messages in movies.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 25, 2016 06:09 PM (FkBIv)

693 627 Moon base.... with luxurious suites! Lunar pool, with beautiful view! Only the best Trump steaks will be served at the Moon base. Tours of the lunar surface daily! And... Mexico paid for all of it.

Of course... it will look very nice. And Mexico and Saudi Arabia will pay for it. In years, it will probably be referred to as Trump Base Awesome.

I like this. Excellent.
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*throws fistfulls of ballots at you*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at January 25, 2016 06:10 PM (jR7Wy)

694 630
Ok, the biggest problem with the argument here is that in the past it might have been true that the GOP guys have only screwed us over periodically, it has seemed to a lot of us that that has transitioned to ALL THE TIME.

I understand where you are coming from, I just think you are wrong to have any faith in these guys.

I think most of us believe with a fair degree of certainty that if Rubio were elected, and the GOP retained the congress, the FIRST thing he would do is try to pass some form of amnesty. No matter how many times, nor how loudly most of the base has proclaimed that they want border security they have tried to sell us on some form of it. It is like a bad Monty Python routine:

Guy walks into a shop.

"Hello sir, what can I get for you?"

"I'd like something in a strong border. Now mind you, I do not want to stop all immigration, I just want to stop those coming here illegally."

"Well, sir, right you are. I have this lovely Amnesty in the back..."

"No, no. I do not want anything like Amnesty. I want to keep people from coming here illegally, not reward those who have done so."

"Right, right. Well I have this lovely amnesty-lite in the same line. Maybe you'd like that?"

"NO. I do not want anything in the amnesty line."

"But sir, there are so many GOOD THINGS in the amnesty line, like guest workers, alien driver's licenses, lower wages for businesses."

"Is there a 'big ass wall with machine guns on top, protecting the border" in the amnesty line?'"

"Let me ask you sir, is this indeed the conservative shop?"

You get the point.

I take your point about Trump possibly giving away the store on a lot of other things, and I share those concerns, but without border security- which Rubio is shaky on- we will end up giving away the store on the rest anyway.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 25, 2016 06:10 PM (iHjB5)

695 I like Rubio a lot. So I'm fine letting the "establishment" win.

I think my own thoughts, if they agree with me that's great.

But... I don't think we are in danger of a Rubio win.

The establishment is slowly seeing what I have seen for a few months now.

Trump is going to win.

So that means we all have to figure out what that means for us.

Are we still Republicans? Do we still hate corruption in Hillary Clinton, or has it suddenly become ok?

Trump is where to options lie. He will win.

Rubio is such a side issue at this point.

Posted by: petunia at January 25, 2016 06:10 PM (VoCyE)

696 682
Only a paid Troll could be as persistent as Amish Dude has been in this
thread. Just give it up - nobody is going to vote for your business as
usual establishment toady. You're trying sell rancid dog turds by
describing them Swedish meat balls.

Seriously, nobody cares about what you have to say.

So
besides collecting your money from the GOPe - what exactly is your goal
with these posts? Save the Republic? Save the GOP? Doesn't matter -
they're both already dead and decomposing - Trump is just the M.E.
calling the time of death.

Posted by: An Observation

Dude, you're not supposed to snort the whole kilo at once.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2016 06:12 PM (LAe3v)

697 The most important things Obama has done have nothing to do with the SCOTUS.

The SCOTUS will not salvage liberty. It cannot prevent immigration and the destruction of America as a country. They cannot wage war or conduct diplomacy.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 25, 2016 05:56 PM (uURQL)

It can destroy the country. Heller, for example, was a very narrow win. 1A, 2A, 5A--all can be tossed out the window by the court.

The only reason Obamas choices haven't made a difference is because none of the conservatives retired on his watch. He's only been able to replace the liberal judges.

Posted by: stace, Gary Johnson/SMOD 2016 at January 25, 2016 06:12 PM (CoX6k)

698 Late as usual.

Who's Amish supporting? (not going to reread 672 posts)

Also, Gary Fucking Johnson?

Geez, this must be a new brainstorm from the GOPe and/or Dims-

this is the third time today I've heard someone say they will vote for Gary Johnson and not Trump.

The other two times were on talk shows over lunch.

Hell, if you're going to throw your vote away don't act all principled and shit,

just stay home drink beer and eat Doritos.

A better use of your time.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 25, 2016 06:14 PM (0cMkb)

699 It would help convince them they're wrong if people would stop underestimating Trump because they don't understand his form of game play.

You all have seen what the Liberal media says he says (and sometimes even what he actually says) and judge that by what YOU all think would work or has worked in the past.

But Trump's not playing that game and it's a game that's lost in the past so why would he repeat that?

By being combative and un PC he's managed to be in the news more than any other candidate and all for FREE.

He's also moved the debate in ways that Cruz hasn't and never will and certainly being nice and erudite in responses to Media gotcha questions would never have moved the debate or else Mitt Romney the quintessential nice guy would be President now.

No. Time to throw out what YOU all think are winning strategies and complaining and criticizing Trump for actions which are winning.

That's not Stupid and Temperamentally unsuited for the job, that's playing 3d chess while everyone else thinking checkers moves.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 25, 2016 06:14 PM (Xo1Rt)

700 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 25, 2016 06:14 P

tl;dr

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 25, 2016 06:16 PM (UnJ7w)

701 I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?

Trump?
No, it's going to be Cruz.

If Cruz is not the nominee I'm going to write him in.

Posted by: Cottonwood Kulak at January 25, 2016 06:16 PM (Dd0xD)

702 'll take Trump, though, because, while he's kind of stupid and temperamentally unsuited for the job, he would nevertheless also serve as a repudiation of the Establishment's Corporate Client "Conservatism."

>> I don't get this, because the Establishment is now cozying up to Trump. Dole, Branstad, Rumsfield. Trump will not burn the system down. Trump will be "coachable" by the Establishment's own words. Whatever Trump may mean to the GOP electorate, he will wheel and deal with the Establishment and nothing will change. Trump is playing everyone and won't change shit.

Ted Cruz will the the candidate to burn down the Establishment.

Posted by: chocolatepretzel at January 25, 2016 06:18 PM (6VJV0)

703 As I've said before, I know the one reason a lot of people love Trump is because he will Build the Wall.

I can't predict the future, but I see no reason to believe Trump isn't lying about that like every other Repub did. I'm glad he's moved the discussion on that issue, but I don't trust him to do anything, including Building the Wall. He's never even been to the border except for a quick photo op in town, and he thinks he can make Mexico pay for it.

BS-o-meter redlining.

Posted by: stace, Gary Johnson/SMOD 2016 at January 25, 2016 06:19 PM (CoX6k)

704 at the same time, it can't be Hillary. I guess I could live with Bloomberg for 4 years....

Posted by: pointsnfigures at January 25, 2016 06:19 PM (hSpC/)

705 By the way, you got that house rebuilt after 1812 I see.

Posted by: doowleb at January 25, 2016 04:36 PM (r+Gn+)
Yes we did, and YOU DIDN'T HAVE A SINGLE FUCKING THING TO DO WITH IT.
I'm not going to bash Canadians, I happen to love the place, plus my wife is Canadian, but 95% of them, when you tell them you're an American, get this snide little look on their face and put forth the above gem. WH was burned by British troops fresh off the boats from fighting France. There wasn't a Canadian within 50 miles (in fact there wasn't even a Canada). Canada has a magnificent history of fighting far out of their weight class, why they all seem to trumpet something they had nothing to do with is beyond me.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 25, 2016 06:20 PM (N8hFs)

706 I am a nationalist American before I am a "Conservative".
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January

--------
And that place is not nearly as lonely as it was one year ago.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 06:21 PM (NUqwG)

707 Ted Cruz will the the candidate to burn down the Establishment.
.Posted by: chocolatepretzel at January 25, 2016 06:18 PM (6VJV0)

Also, preserve the Constitution and return the USA to the rule of law.

Posted by: Cottonwood Kulak at January 25, 2016 06:22 PM (Dd0xD)

708
Soap box, jury box, ballot box, cartridge box.

Which is it gonna be?

Posted by: irongrampa at January 25, 2016 06:23 PM (jeCnD)

709
A better use of your time.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 25, 2016 06:14 PM (0cMkb)

I'm not voting for a progressive, especially one who's also a liar, adulterer, cronyist, and demagogue.

Posted by: stace, Gary Johnson/SMOD 2016 at January 25, 2016 06:24 PM (CoX6k)

710 ACE,
Right now we most likely have a Trump/Cruz/? race.
Rubio/Kascih/Christie will be the alternative that the GOPe is stuck with, Rubio is their best shot, but what happens if it's Kasich or Christie that takes fire in NH ?
Bush was never to begin with, remains to be seen if his $ 100M on ads against Rubio did any good good.
The Palin endorsement may have been just enough to make Trumps candidacy viable when he is in a 3 person race vs. a 8 person race.
My thesis is that Trump does not have enough support outright to win without Cruz supporters. Cruz and can't win without Trump supporters, but neither can candidate X win.
I don't the the R's have enough super delegates to tip the scale like Hillary has with the D's.

Posted by: standfast24 at January 25, 2016 06:24 PM (VwhP1)

711 708
I think the barrel for someone. Everything went sideways...

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 25, 2016 06:24 PM (iHjB5)

712 Posted by: Arson Wells at January 25, 2016 06:16 PM (UnJ7w)

SW;FU

{Attention span to short or were some of the words too long for you're comprehension? Or just a way to try and ignore some truth?}

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 25, 2016 06:25 PM (Xo1Rt)

713 Which is it gonna be?
Posted by: irongrampa at January 25, 2016 06:23 PM (jeCnD)
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Gee. I just want to play in my sandbox.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 06:25 PM (NUqwG)

714 remember, close those tags

Posted by: Cottonwood Kulak at January 25, 2016 06:25 PM (Dd0xD)

715

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 25, 2016 06:25 PM (Xo1Rt)

716 Great article. Very well written. Unfortunately, it's just an intellectual exercise.

WE have decided that her magnificent awesomeness will be the next president.

So let it be written; so let it be done.

Posted by: The Lame Stream Media at January 25, 2016 06:26 PM (oca9z)

717 WE have decided that her magnificent awesomeness will be the next president.
----------
Which Goldman-Sachs executive gets to be Treasury Secretary?

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 06:28 PM (NUqwG)

718 A better use of your time.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 25, 2016 06:14 PM (0cMkb)

I'm not voting for a progressive, especially one who's also a liar, adulterer, cronyist, and demagogue.
Posted by: stace, Gary Johnson/SMOD 2016 at January 25, 2016 06:24 PM (CoX6k)

So...Doritos and beer it is!

Posted by: naturalfake at January 25, 2016 06:32 PM (0cMkb)

719 That ultra hip place on the Upper East Side that took you six weeks to
get into turns out to be the place that serves kale on their shit
sandwiches.

All the other intellectuals, paid thinkers and pundits eat there
every day. They can't get enough of it and laugh at the flyover people
who would never get a reservation.

Sometimes they pause a moment and ask "What is that flavor? I've had it before." Then back to their important conversations.

Welcome back to street food, Buckwheat.

There's a place down in The Village that sells pho subs. They really do taste like pho.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 25, 2016 06:32 PM (N8hFs)

720 I agree. Which is why I'm voting for Rand in the primary and Libertarian in the general. The GOP takes libertarians for granted too and I'm off the bandwagon permanently. I don't care if Hillary or Sanders becomes President. They won't be substantially different from the statists on the Republican side.

Posted by: rfichoke at January 25, 2016 06:35 PM (xZEwe)

721 So...Doritos and beer it is!

Posted by: naturalfake at January 25, 2016 06:32 PM (0cMkb)

When did Doritos and beer become bad things?

Posted by: stace, Gary Johnson/SMOD 2016 at January 25, 2016 06:35 PM (CoX6k)

722
127

Do not underestimate Canada. We may be one tenth the population of the
US, but our soldiers have always bloodied the noses of international
bullies. By the way, you got that house rebuilt after 1812 I see.
==================

1814. After we burned and sacked York, crushed the Brits at the Battle of Thames, along with Tecumseh. Then there was the Battle of Lake Erie (1813) ...

"We have met the enemy and they are ours; two ships, two brigs, one schooner and one sloop." Oliver Hazard Perry

And then Macdonough's smashing victory at the Battle of Plattsburgh.

The United States owned Upper Canada at the end of the war. But that benighted land was cold in the winter and infested with mosquitoes and displaced American Tories, so cooler heads prevailed and we gave it back posthaste.

Posted by: mrp at January 25, 2016 06:42 PM (JBggj)

723 Ace, now you know what the Sarah Palin thing was all about. But the GOPe helped the Dems by stabbing her in the back. Now I'm not saying that she is the best thing since sliced bread, but she was a way to give "the man" the finger.

Posted by: Dogbert at January 25, 2016 06:43 PM (fz1Nv)

724 When did Doritos and beer become bad things?

Posted by: stace, Gary Johnson/SMOD 2016 at January 25, 2016 06:35 PM (CoX6k)

They never have.

A day spent with them is far better than the time spent wandering over to vote for Gary Johnson.

A GJ vote is literally a nothing of no consequence.

But beer is...well, beer. A who can disagree with that.

and Doritos.....eh, they go well with beer.

Time well spent.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 25, 2016 06:47 PM (0cMkb)

725 Tippecanoe and Tyler too!!!!

Posted by: Billy Harrison at January 25, 2016 06:47 PM (T/5A0)

726 Trump donated to their side in the past? News flash: what we have in our govenrment is a legal form of a mafia protection racket, and the big business class regularly give protection money to the winners. Sad, but it is what it is.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 25, 2016 06:47 PM (GsebS)

727 Jacobins gotta Jacobin , I guess.

Posted by: daisy at January 25, 2016 06:50 PM (vaFpc)

728 "
680 Let me get this straight? You agree with Rubio on 90% of the issues, but you'll never vote for him. But you only agree with Trump on 10% of the issues, but you will vote for him? I don't understand that at all. You're not really a conservative, then.
Posted by: rexbatt at January 25, 2016 06:03 PM (woA40)"

********

Yeah, see, but voting for a conservative who you agree with isn't taking the seriousness of how you need to burn down the entire system if you're really serious about changing Washington.

Or something .

Posted by: Vyce at January 25, 2016 06:51 PM (HI7nL)

729 And then Macdonough's smashing victory at the Battle of Plattsburgh.

Not to mention the ass-kicking at New Orleans, AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER.

Luxurious.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 25, 2016 06:53 PM (rwI+c)

730 Didn't we repudiate the establishment by not voting for Romney in 2012? Millions stayed home. Look what happened.

Posted by: Classic Rocker at January 25, 2016 06:57 PM (Ax+Wd)

731 Follow the money. It cares less what we think, do, or say. This is probably the only major web place not on the payroll.

Posted by: GBar&Grill at January 25, 2016 07:00 PM (U1xQZ)

732 728 "
680 Let me get this straight? You agree with Rubio on 90% of the issues, but you'll never vote for him. But you only agree with Trump on 10% of the issues, but you will vote for him? I don't understand that at all. You're not really a conservative, then.
Posted by: rexbatt at January 25, 2016 06:03 PM (woA40)"

********

Yeah, see, but voting for a conservative who you agree with isn't taking the seriousness of how you need to burn down the entire system if you're really serious about changing Washington.

Or something .
Posted by: Vyce at January 25, 2016 06:51 PM (HI7nL)

Wow.

The thing is Rubio is totally unserious about border control and illegal aliens and amnesty.

If you think those are important, perhaps the most important, issues in this election,

then Rubio will never ever be your guy.

Nor would you want him anywhere near power.

Rubio's Gang of 8 frolic proved him to be an unprincipled liar and an easily bought po who supports Democrats against his votersl.

Why would you trust anything he says?

I hope this helps.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 25, 2016 07:01 PM (0cMkb)

733 Thanks, Ace. Right on the money.

Posted by: Kathy Kinsley at January 25, 2016 07:13 PM (P1Mfe)

734 >>>Reagan signed a horrible abortion bill in California. But he was Reagan. I shudder to think what that would have done to him if he were running today.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2016 05:34 PM (Xd2w5)

Ronald Reagan? More like Ronald RAMNESTY lol amitite?

Posted by: Paul at January 25, 2016 07:14 PM (AnjQM)

735
730 Didn't we repudiate the establishment by not voting for Romney in 2012? Millions stayed home. Look what happened.
Posted by: Classic Rocker at January 25, 2016 06:57 PM (Ax+W)

I was a poll watcher in a Philadelphia suburb -- working class, definitely lower middle class, if that -- during the Romney debacle in 2012. There were people crawling all over the place coming in to vote and believe me, Mitt wasn't their guy. Mitt and company never knew what hit them.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 25, 2016 07:30 PM (BK3ZS)

736
Any R who is, or ever was, part of a Congressional "Gang of ____" isn't on the side of conservative solutions.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 25, 2016 07:32 PM (BK3ZS)

737 by not voting for Romney in 2012? Millions stayed home. Look what happened.

Wrong, lie and goodbye.

Posted by: DaveA at January 25, 2016 07:40 PM (DL2i+)

738 Actually let them know that we do have our limits, and those limits were passed sometime in 2015*.

*2005

Posted by: rosignol at January 25, 2016 07:52 PM (B7FlU)

739 I'm with Ace. Cruz or Trump -- NO RUBIO. Establishment can go rot.

Posted by: KR1 at January 25, 2016 08:14 PM (Qkvgn)

740 agreed... Cruz is preferable, but Trump will do.

anyone but one of them.

Posted by: Shoey at January 25, 2016 08:43 PM (vA94g)

741 I don't see a meaningful distinction between Rubio and Trump. At key points in his career, Trump was bailed out by one of two entities: Daddy or the State. He has no problem using the government to take private property, and he is comfortable seeking regulatory favors from the government, as against ever seeking a neutral regulatory framework or anything resembling freedom.

In fact, he never even mentions "freedom" or "liberty."

On immigration, he favors touch-back amnesty, and his entire history indicates hr will have no problem trading favors with business, including allowing for cheap illegal labor.

It's Cruz or we're screwed.

Posted by: Brian at January 25, 2016 09:18 PM (VJwxl)

742 Late to the party, but I wanted to note that I agree with ace's reasoning here -- the only choice for me is Trump or Cruz as an FU to the GOPe. Unlike others, when I said "let it burn" back in November 2012, I meant it.

The other point I want to make is that ace is wrong that Trump is "stupid" -- he obviously is not a Constitutional scholar like Cruz, but Trump got the media to pay for his campaign. He also single handidly knocked Jeb! (the GOPe's original choice) out of the race and called Hillary out on her "war on women" BS and *won.* That's all pretty damn impressive to me.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at January 25, 2016 10:09 PM (aNrvT)

743 "God did not make us to stand patiently in queues and politely clap
for our leaders no matter how distant, corrupt, and dismissive.

That's why he made Canadians."
Well, some of us came here to escape that, but I'm starting to have second thoughts. But then I remember that Silky Pony is now PM ...

Posted by: MichiCanuck at January 25, 2016 10:27 PM (1Ij/r)

744 Ace. You are a jerk. You are being scammed by Cruz. He is going to leave immigrants in the shadows. We are going to have everything the same as it is and the chaos fighting the sanctuary cities. Then the next Dem President and Congress will make all of them citizen. Just do Rubio's plan now. It's eventually going to happen anyways. Why have the immigrants their families hate us?

Posted by: Arkansas Yankee at January 25, 2016 10:33 PM (Je4OY)

745 That's why he made Canadians.

It's funny 'cause it's true.

Posted by: SDH at January 25, 2016 10:39 PM (FS4Wf)

746 Cruz, Trump ,Rand in that order.. Whoever wins in the primary.. Gets my vote in the general against either one of the, rich, old, white, socialists from the party that constantly Harris on DIVERSITY YYYY..

Posted by: Mrclark at January 25, 2016 10:53 PM (7YnaR)

747
Amen, ace, brother. Amen.

Your "Canadians" punchline had my liberal girlfriend what was so funny from the other room.

Posted by: Trump Super Fan at January 25, 2016 11:38 PM (l2dSQ)

748 I do believe you were part of the problem in 2008 and 2012 Ace. Welcome to the party pal. The GOP must cease to function.

Posted by: Doug at January 25, 2016 11:39 PM (gwSXj)

749 "That's why he made Canadians"
Hat tip to Ted Cruz!

Posted by: Goldy at January 26, 2016 06:49 AM (tIe+m)

750 Excellent reasons not so support Rubio.

Posted by: Rick LaBonte at January 26, 2016 07:59 AM (BKav4)

751 Rubio is a fraud and he put the nails in his own coffin with his push for amnesty. He can say what he wants, but we know he's for flooding the country with cheap legal and illegal labor and for letting illegal aliens stay in the country. Unacceptable!

Posted by: bfd at January 26, 2016 08:05 AM (QNcbF)

752 Ace is correct in everything but one.
I'm a 35 year self-employed Executive Recruiter/Headhunter much time spent in Information Technology recruiting. America is being sucked dry on the jobs front through offshore outsourcing, H-1B visa cap increases, L-1 intercompany transfer abuses, paid immigration lawyers, and illegals/open borders.

As I've listened to the candidates understanding the global ruling and financial elites want a crony capitalist one world government they control including the end of the nation state such as America there's only one candidate experienced, powerful, savvy, cognizant of who these people are, and willing to take them on. We have one choice. Ted doesn't have all of what it takes.

We need Trump. He gets it. What he portrays is what I see every day in business. Everything he says, problems confronting us, I constantly see.

Perot tried to warn us about free trade in 1992 and we didn't listen.
Trump is our last chance to make things right.

Posted by: bill at January 26, 2016 08:38 AM (Iavv+)

753 "Money talks and bullshit walks." That is why the GOP is beholden to the donor class.

Posted by: Bill Carson at January 26, 2016 08:41 AM (QpZoT)

754 It's not that I don't agree with you about Rubio and the establishment. It's just that I am so utterly opposed Trump, that I prefer Rubio. My first choice is Cruz. With Him, we have a chance for revolutionary change. The establishment will do just fine making deals with the liberal Trump. Trump and the establishment will laugh at conservatives for being stupid and gullible and buying Trump as anything other than a continuation of the cartel.

Posted by: Roger C D'Aquin at January 26, 2016 08:54 AM (/SKEb)

755 I don't understand you purists. I'll adhere to the Buckley rule and support the most conservative person that can be elected. There are likely to be three openings on the Supreme Court, so if your guy isn't the nominee and you pout and stay home get ready for more Kagans and Sotomayors. Lastly, if you think Trump or Cruz haven't changed their views on how to deal with illegal immigrants, you haven't been paying attention.

Posted by: Airborne03 at January 26, 2016 09:00 AM (xKeLz)

756 You are just wrong on so many counts. Keep pushing (not) conservative Trump and unelectable (pandering) Ted Cruz and you will lose. Rubio is not part of the establishment, they have spent over 60 million to discredit him. That is just ridiculous assertion. He is far more conservative than McCain or Romney. And He can get elected. Running us off the cliff my friend.

Posted by: David Turner at January 26, 2016 09:06 AM (mK4Ix)

757 Well at least you were right about one thing, Trump is a complete idiot. Its embarrassing that people who call themselves like the guy. He speaks in generalizations, the only thing close to detailed policies are completely unrealistic, he has the highest negatives of any politician, he would have zero chance of winning in the general election. I could go on and on....

And Ted Cruz is a combination of a used car sales man and a money grabbing televangelist. No way in hell would he win.

Posted by: Fuzzawakka at January 26, 2016 09:17 AM (v6OLr)

758 Thanks for reminding everyone that for you it's "us vs them" and all about ethnic cleansing. You think that conservatism is bigotry against untermensch, and the goal of government to return to a mythical past where blacks were segregated, Latinos far away picking veggies, women in the kitchen and gays in the closet.

Good luck with that as the "white" birth rate dropped from the baby boom 3 babies per women to today's below replacement level 1.4 babies per woman. You're as likely to succeed long term as the New Jersey beach barriers against the Atlantic ocean.

As always the USA has changed. And that's what makes us #1. Because we are a democracy, eventually our government will reflect the present interests of its people, and that includes the untermensch you want to cleanse.

Posted by: Gus Malanga at January 26, 2016 09:27 AM (BDhtj)

759 It strikes me that Rubio took on and vaquished a RINO, literally a RINO as it turned out. He did this over the protest of Donald Trump who backed Crist. I do not believe that Rubio would return to amnesty. With Rubio at he top of the ticket there would likely be more Republicans in offcie after the election than with Trump or Cruz. This means no amnesty.

Also, Ace, you are usually dead on but the Establishment went for Bush. They may be pulling back on that but Christie and Bush still have an awful lot of big deal establishment types in their camp. Rubio's run was seen as a betrayal by the Bush's and that means the Establishment is not thrilled with him. He is just the place to hide from the Trump/Cruz tsunamis.

Posted by: jjv at January 26, 2016 09:31 AM (okIB/)

760 Rubio = warmongering tool of Ziocons.

Posted by: D at January 26, 2016 09:46 AM (AGY3g)

761 Can't believe Realclearpolitics linked to this foolish column--and to a website that uses a human skull as its symbol.

The posters here appear to be a bit racist in their hated of Rubio--but no matter.

They refuse to forgive Rubio for initial support of a bill that never became law. Rubio has admitted he was wrong to support the "gang of 8" and no longer favors comprehensive immigration reform or amnesty--but posters just keep printing lies.

Seems like everyone is out to get Rubio these days--including establishment candidates Bush lll and Chris Christie--so I guess the establishment isn't monolithic afterall

(So many of you forget that Rubio took out the ultimate RINO, Gov. Charlie Crist, in order to become a US Senator in the 1st place.)

We need to win this election and the truth is that Rubio is the best candidate to run for President from either party since Reagan.

Also, Rubio is the only GOP candidate who consistently defeats Hillary and Sanders in head to head polls. Check for yourself @ realclearpolitics.com.

President Rubio 2017!

Posted by: Get Smart at January 26, 2016 10:27 AM (Nn7yn)

762 Managed their stupid, three-toothed inbred voters yet again.

They are called illegal aliens for a reason they are in the country illegally. There is a reason to vote for Rubio on the right he is the ONLY one who polls favorably to win against Hillary. Ace is a closet liberal he claims to have some affiliation with the right but bashes the only candidate we have that appears to be able to win. Does anyone remember Reagans mantra thou shalt not bash our candidates. Ace for dog catcher does not have my vote. That is all.

Posted by: Sparx at January 26, 2016 10:36 AM (fFmB2)

763 Great article Ace, except... No Trump.

He's as much a wild card as Bernie. Total potential for the collapse of the country.

But now no-one can call Cruz nuts because of Trump, so thanks for that Trump. Now Cruz can win.

Posted by: Freddy Ghey at January 26, 2016 10:44 AM (vi+pp)

764 I couldn't disagree with your more on immigration Ace. I favor a path to citizenship.

If you can't compete with an immigrant in your job then you need to get some more skills.

If you worry about how we are going to pay for the Baby Boomer generation then immigrants are the answer.

Anyone who claims that previous immigrants were legal and current immigrants are illegal is ignorant of American History.

Posted by: Dave Thomas at January 26, 2016 10:49 AM (wzr4s)

765 744 Ace. You are a jerk. You are being scammed by Cruz. He is going to leave immigrants in the shadows. We are going to have everything the same as it is and the chaos fighting the sanctuary cities. Then the next Dem President and Congress will make all of them citizen. Just do Rubio's plan now. It's eventually going to happen anyways. Why have the immigrants their families hate us?

Posted by: Arkansas Yankee at January 25, 2016 10:33 PM (Je4OY)

So capitulate now so the Demunists don't take the blame later. Right. How is that Hispandering working out for you?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 10:51 AM (GsebS)

766 764 I couldn't disagree with your more on immigration Ace. I favor a path to citizenship.

If you can't compete with an immigrant in your job then you need to get some more skills.

If you worry about how we are going to pay for the Baby Boomer generation then immigrants are the answer.

Anyone who claims that previous immigrants were legal and current immigrants are illegal is ignorant of American History.

Posted by: Dave Thomas at January 26, 2016 10:49 AM (wzr4s)

Except that past immigrants were not indoctrinated in the marxist poison of "multiculturalism". Past immigrants were also chosen on skillsets, not family reunification, nore did they have a welfare state set up for them. Meanwhile, you want to import an ever restive and indoctrinated helot class to pay for your retirement. What could go wrong? :-P

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 10:53 AM (GsebS)

767 762 Managed their stupid, three-toothed inbred voters yet again.

They are called illegal aliens for a reason they are in the country illegally. There is a reason to vote for Rubio on the right he is the ONLY one who polls favorably to win against Hillary. Ace is a closet liberal he claims to have some affiliation with the right but bashes the only candidate we have that appears to be able to win. Does anyone remember Reagans mantra thou shalt not bash our candidates. Ace for dog catcher does not have my vote. That is all.

Posted by: Sparx at January 26, 2016 10:36 AM (fFmB2)

But when your establicans bash us as "stupid, three-toothed inbred voters", now that's just fine, isn't it? Really, you and your ilk violated the 11th Commandment first. In fact, you never followed it in the first place.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 10:55 AM (GsebS)

768 This little whine of yours, Ace, would carry a lot more weight if you hadn't been giving lifelong liberal Trump the benefit of the doubt for months. You have zero credibility on this, Ace. Anyone who's spent five seconds on your Twitter timeline knows you block anyone when you can't hack an actual debate. You just want to mouth off, which is fine for the Internet, but stuff the self-righteous crap.

Posted by: tops116 at January 26, 2016 11:01 AM (Wn+fE)

769 and that includes the untermensch you want to cleanse.

I laughed out loud.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 11:25 AM (evdj2)

770 You lay-downs are going to lose

Be it Trump or be it Cruz

Or even if it has to be

Indicted bitch Hillary

Or even the commie known as Bernie

You are going to lose

So....choose

We aren't coming back to your snug little snooze

You can only choose

To whom you wish to lose

It's over.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 26, 2016 11:32 AM (3myMJ)

771 758 Thanks for reminding everyone that for you it's "us vs them" and all about ethnic cleansing. You think that conservatism is bigotry against untermensch, and the goal of government to return to a mythical past where blacks were segregated, Latinos far away picking veggies, women in the kitchen and gays in the closet.

Good luck with that as the "white" birth rate dropped from the baby boom 3 babies per women to today's below replacement level 1.4 babies per woman. You're as likely to succeed long term as the New Jersey beach barriers against the Atlantic ocean.

As always the USA has changed. And that's what makes us #1. Because we are a democracy, eventually our government will reflect the present interests of its people, and that includes the untermensch you want to cleanse.

Posted by: Gus Malanga at January 26, 2016 09:27 AM (BDhtj)

Thank you, Commiecrat troll, for pointing out why Hispandering of Bush and Rubio is a failure. Why pander to people who will only vote Commiecrat anyway?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 11:36 AM (GsebS)

772 761 Can't believe Realclearpolitics linked to this foolish column--and to a website that uses a human skull as its symbol.

And a cuck-servative shows up..... :-P

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 11:41 AM (GsebS)

773 There was a time when I may have voted for Marco Rubio as a candidate for President. Unfortunately Rubio is an easily influenced new comer to the world of politics. When Rubio began in politics I don't believe he would have supported the "Amnesty" movement for the illegals in our country. Findiing it a rather difficult world to succeed in I believe he has been taken in by the Republican "establishment" bunch in the Republican party and offered a greasing of the skids for his future in politics. Having found much more attention and support he hadn't enjoyed before he began to be influenced that bunch at the expense of his principles. Ted Cruz is a man who has endured the onslaught of other politicians who don't like to have their world shaken up. Because it is easier for those people to submit to getting along with the liberal side of the isle and give half truth excuses to their constituents, they don't want to have to face the real work it would take to combat them. Ted Cruz and Donald trump are not tempted to seek that easier path. I'm voting for Ben Carsoon in the primary. In the general election I'll support our candidate. Fortunately it will not be Marco Rubio.

Posted by: Charles M. Hill at January 26, 2016 11:43 AM (+fkXp)

774 755 I don't understand you purists. I'll adhere to the Buckley rule and support the most conservative person that can be elected. There are likely to be three openings on the Supreme Court, so if your guy isn't the nominee and you pout and stay home get ready for more Kagans and Sotomayors.

Well gee, that's we have these things called primaries, see?

And let me guess--if our guys win the primary, will you support them? Or will you sabotage them? We could ask certain Tea party candidates who won their primaries about *that*......

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 11:47 AM (GsebS)

775 Rubio has no chance. The only thing he can hope for is the VP slot.

That being said, it is pretty obvious that Rubio is not the first choice of the establishment. THEY are having to settle this time. This is a great sign, be of good cheer.

Posted by: Chris0706 at January 26, 2016 11:57 AM (Etfid)

776 "poor, uneducated, and easily led."

Not a fair assessment. The voters have voted the best they can given the choices that they have been given. The GOPe has done a masterful job of making sure we were given the illusion of voting, while they made sure all of the available choices benefited them. Now they have been exposed for the rats that they are.

Even if they somehow pull this one off and keep one of their own in place, I think the base is ready to abandon them and do what it takes to reclaim the country.

Posted by: Al at January 26, 2016 12:07 PM (Kab4E)

777 Yeah, it's unruly and that's good. I for one think Trump will be a disaster if he gets the nomination. Eventually all his indiscretions and vulgarities will catch up with him. I also like Cruz, but what we have to decide is that once your candidate loses, and the vast majority of Republicans support in some degree a candidate who is not going to win, you have to get behind the winner. The status quo in Washington, which is nihilistically liberal and yet acutely authoritarian, needs to be crushed and it will take Republicans, conservatives, libertarians, Reagan Democrats and independents to do that, if indeed it is possible.

Posted by: DougalP at January 26, 2016 12:12 PM (vc23j)

778 Cruz is any better? You lost me there. I'm voting for Rubio because I think he's got the best chance against HRC and I don't get heebie jeebies when he talks.

Posted by: evergreen at January 26, 2016 12:19 PM (4WHvI)

779 The status quo in Washington, which is nihilistically liberal and yet acutely authoritarian, needs to be crushed and it will take Republicans, conservatives, libertarians, Reagan Democrats and independents to do that, if indeed it is possible.

And yet you don't like The Donald? So far, he is the only one to put together such a coalition.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 12:22 PM (GsebS)

780 Spot on. That's why this longtime GOP activist (in every way), with a foot in "both worlds" (Establishment and Tea Party) is so excited that the end is nigh for the same old, same old crap.

Keep telling us what we MUST do, GOP Establishment. That's going to work out REEEAALLLYY well for you.......lol

Posted by: Jim Cyr at January 26, 2016 12:46 PM (198Zg)

781
Yikes.... I think Rubio's relatives all got the day off to flood the zone.

Impressive.

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at January 26, 2016 12:52 PM (Qj6zv)

782 Cruz has to take donor bribes too Ace. And Trump is not stupid. Read his book or shut the fuck up. When you write idiotic statements like that you look exactly like the LSM.

Posted by: woodNfish at January 26, 2016 12:55 PM (ZEGvn)

783 I'm surprised that Rubio has yet to disown the establisment label. As an educated member of his constituency, I can honestly say that he is anything but establishment. I guess the highly intelligent pundits such as Ace have decided that if one is not a rabid, irrational extremist such as Trump or Cruz that you must fit within the establihment pigeonhole. That makes it easier for them not to think very hard.

Posted by: John in Fl at January 26, 2016 01:05 PM (8oqTd)

784 Ace, where ya been my friend. It's like your just coming out of a conservative GOPe fog. The Trump folks have been saying exactly this for 6 months now. Tell you the truth I still enjoy Ace of Spades, but more for the entertainment value. This sight has lost some of it's edge and relevancy. Damned entertaining though.

Posted by: tonynoboloney at January 26, 2016 01:08 PM (02AXE)

785 Agreed Ace.

I have said for a long time that I will never vote for Marco "Send In 10,000,000 Democrat Voters So I Can Prove How Moderate I Can Be" Rubio. But not for the reasons many think.

The thing is this. I can actually. as a self-identified Very Conservative, articulate an amnesty program I could support.

But Rubio's involvement in the Gang of Eight idiocy included the assumption that Schumer and Obama would ever uphold their end of any bargain they made. This is a level of either stupidity or naivete that I find disqualifying.

Posted by: David Witheld at January 26, 2016 01:09 PM (37mbX)

786 As a card-carrying Commiecrat, I appreciate this this column as a lucid and honest perspective. What I'm curious about, in all seriousness, is where a principled conservative of the Ted Cruz stripe, sees common ground with the opposition. Is there any place that exists past electoral partisanship (on both sides) that could produce productive governance? Or is scorched earth and "our way or the highway" the only possible acceptable outcome following an election of a "true" conservative?

Posted by: LPOS at January 26, 2016 01:46 PM (XcXPB)

787 To me, this rant is a great example of why I left the conservative movement. I am first and foremost a believer in free market capitalism. The market is allocates resources in more effficient and moral manner than any other system.

It is my dismay that the Conservative movement has morphed from a party that espoused free trade to protectionsim; from immigration to the party of Know Nothings.

You rail against HB-1's but frankly our knowledge based economy will stagnate even more without them. Go to the elite programs in computer science, analytics, and really any any STEM discipline , and you will find them populated with a significant number (if not majority) of foregin students. These people are the future entreprenuers and job creators, so why do you want them to emmigrate? It makes only sense to keep them here where they will bear fruit.

Alas, no you provincially declare that these immigrants are taking jobs for Americans (hmm, do you steal that line for the AFLCO, SEUI, or teamsters?) and are a potential threat to our country. I would agrue a bigger threat is our economy stagnating along at the current growth or worse, which your positions are only make more likely.

I can live with Rubio, but I can NEVER vote for two protectionists and know-nothings like Trump or Cruz. Not only will you lose the election (and maybe the Senate as well), but you effforts to insure purity will only drive the movement into a smaller minority.
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Posted by: Thucydides at January 26, 2016 01:47 PM (Nj2UY)

788 YES YES, A THOUSAND TIMES YES, Ace!!

I've been saying this since the gang of ocho debacle. We keep complaining that the GOP betrays us and their promises, and yet we don't examine why they continue to do this. They do this because we continue to give them power even after they betray us over and over. Why would they not do a big amnesty if we nominate Rubio and he wins? Why, because we'd threaten to stay home in 2020? And why would they believe us? After all the squealing we do and then we nominate the guy who legitimized the democrats' amnesty bill? They'd just say, yes, we betrayed you, but whaddyagunnado? Vote for Michelle Obama (cuz you know she'll be running)? Nah. You lemmings will vote for the lesser of two evils like you always do.

So, no thanks. I'm done. What Rubio did was unforgivable. He also tried to change conservative ideals by claiming and advocating his bill really was conservative. And to top it off, his chief of staff said if you opposed the bill, you were a racist, and Rubio never spoke against that claim.

Ace, we need something official, like a petition or a site where people can sign on and pledge to never vote for Rubio, and why.

I'm on board!

Posted by: Kac at January 26, 2016 02:06 PM (1MF22)

789 Immigration is nothing compared to Rubio's willingness to start World War III over a worthless no-fly zone in Syria.

Posted by: Carlos at January 26, 2016 03:04 PM (He5lX)

790 787 To me, this rant is a great example of why I left the conservative movement. I am first and foremost a believer in free market capitalism. The market is allocates resources in more effficient and moral manner than any other system.

It is my dismay that the Conservative movement has morphed from a party that espoused free trade to protectionism; from immigration to the party of Know Nothings.

"When the time comes to hang the capitalists, they will have imported the underclass mob with which to do it...."

H-1B's are one thing, illiterate (in Spanish as well as English) day laborers are something entirely different.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 03:30 PM (GsebS)

791 Alas, no you provincially declare that these immigrants are taking jobs for Americans (hmm, do you steal that line for the AFLCO, SEUI, or teamsters?) and are a potential threat to our country. I would agrue a bigger threat is our economy stagnating along at the current growth or worse, which your positions are only make more likely.

Importing more people likely to vote for the Obama agenda of stagnating growth, business bashing, and crushing taxation. What could go wrong? :-P

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 03:34 PM (GsebS)

792 Yeah, ok "kind of stupid" and worth billions. You?

Posted by: tpaine at January 26, 2016 05:59 PM (0dkvl)

793 Well thought out piece with one or two exceptions - to me. One, Trump supported Boehner/McConnell against the Tea Party (ie: conservatives); Two, he is already cutting "deals" with the establishment and admits to becoming part of it (yes, I listened to the entire speech). Trump is a RINO. I am a former Republican (since 197

and tore up my card after the recent "budget" deal. I have no dog in this round of the fight. Just a few observations.

Posted by: Preston Scott at January 26, 2016 07:35 PM (vCtAL)

794 From Ace's comments and posts the past few days, I guess he believes that defeating the GOP establishment is more important than getting a GOP president who can begin to undo the 8 years of President Obama's radical policies. It is a shame as I have been reading Ace of Spades for nearly a decade if not longer, and I have long considered him a valuable source of daily information regarding politics. However, if he can not see the bigger more important picture, and continues down this path, I guess I will have to find other sources for my daily fix of political information.

Posted by: Aaron Durst at January 26, 2016 08:42 PM (3GWZX)

795 I'm voting for Trump, Cruz, or third party in the general. I refuse to vote for Rubio or any one else backed by the GOP establishment.

Posted by: Troy Horton at January 26, 2016 09:22 PM (2zhoL)

796 Ace - I love reading your stuff. I value your take on everything and almost always agree.

But with Rubio, you are wrong. And this blog post is really wrong.

I understand the frustration with the Establishment. But look in the mirror, Ace. You *are* the Establishment. Not all of it, of course, nor even the most influential portion, but you have a platform and you have a lot of influence. The fact that you are backing Trump and Cruz and dead set against Rubio means the Establishment, or a reasonable portion of it, is behind Trump and Cruz and against Rubio. Of course other portions, the bits you hate, seem to be behind Rubio. And much of the big money seems behind Bush. But that is just the way it is, and arguing against someone just because of association with others you don't like is not the best way to choose a candidate.

The best way, in my mind, is their ideas. That is why I like Rubio. He is a full spectrum Conservative (98% ACU rating), and his ideas are great. Not perfect, by any means, but then what human is perfect? Unless J Christ is running, I think we have to go with the best of the options. And that is Rubio.

He has failures. Sugar subsidies, certainly. And the Gang of Eight. But on immigration, at least, he has seen the light and come round. He has consistently owned his mistake, and is now fully committed to securing the border and getting control of visa overstays. Period. That all needs to be done before we discuss anything else on immigration - I think we all agree there. So what is the problem?

Cruz? I'm aligned with you that he would be a great nominee. His positions are good (again not perfect, but we are all human, no?). He has the debating skills and the consistency that I like. His Conservative rating is even better than Rubio's. I have no objection to Cruz if he wins the nomination. But I tend to think that Rubio will be the stronger general candidate, largely because of the reasons you don't like him - he can unify a lot of the Party, and even get a lot of Independents and conservative Democrats (i.e., Trump supporters) behind him, and I think Cruz would struggle more.

Trump? Well, with respect to President Reagan's commandment to say nothing bad about other Republicans, I won't disparage him. But I do not think that he is the best candidate to represent either Conservative principles as espoused by Cruz or the reform ideas espoused by Rubio. Nor do I find his temperament suitable. I understand your choice if you back him, but I have a hard time respecting it. Even on the terms you state in this article - you do see how so very many of the Beltway types are starting to support Trump, do you not?

Beyond the candidates themselves, the tone of your article is not productive. Insulting my thought process, and telling me that I intend to "snap our salutes and act like the hierarchy-loving drones" is quite unwelcome. As you say, we are all Americans, and we do not have to think alike. But going out of your way to insult me, when I am 99% aligned with where you want to go, and normally an ally - that just does not seem helpful.

At the end of the day, we each make our choices and live with them, and if this is where you have to go with Marco Rubio, then so be it. But you are wrong.

Posted by: BrianF at January 29, 2016 09:07 AM (dpcS3)

797 Rubio is the GOP's version of Hillary Clinton. Both liars, both want amnesty & low wages.

Posted by: dfp21 at February 02, 2016 06:05 PM (9nL26)

798 117 (1) You may have a battleaxe or a broadsword, but not both.

This is blatantly discriminatory against dual-wielders.

Exactly, I self identify as a dual wielder though I possess only a broadsword.... but still..

Posted by: Jake I at February 03, 2016 09:43 AM (YAN/g)

799 I don't understand the "I'll take Trump" comment. Trump while not in favor of amnesty supports a touch-back program and a host of Liberal policies I thought we were against. For me it's Cruz or lock and load.

Posted by: Mike at February 03, 2016 03:31 PM (QSU3+)

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