Overnight Open Thread (1-24-2016)

This deprecation of individual freedom was objectionable to me. I am convinced now, as I was then, that man is an end because he is a child of God. Man is not made for the state; the state is made for man. To deprive man of freedom is to relegate him to the status of a thing, rather than elevate him to the status of a person. Man must never be treated as means to the end of the state; but always as an end within himself.

-- Martin Luther King explaining why he considered communism to be evil

Quote of the Day II - Housing Bubble 2.0 Here We Come

Under its new and cynically misnamed "HomeReady" programme, borrowers with subprime credit don't need to show that they have enough income to qualify for the mortgage they're after - they simply have to show that all the people residing in their household put together have enough income to qualify for that mortgage. We're not talking just about husbands and wives here, but any group of people who happen to share a roof and a mailing address. And some non-residents can be added, too, such as your parents. That would be one thing if all these people were applying for a mortgage together, and were jointly on the hook for the mortgage payments. But that isn't the case. HomeReady will permit borrowers to claim other people's income for the purpose for qualifying for a mortgage, but will not give mortgage lenders any actual claim against that additional income. This is madness.

-- Kevin Williamson in From Subprime to Sub-Subprime

Quote of the Day III

I think the real reason is social norms in which men are expected to provide resources while women are expected to look pretty.

-- Glenn Reynolds on why fraternities throw parties and sororities don't

Can Our Government Measure Snow?

Short answer: No. Which is why Reagan National airport reported 17.8 inches of snow despite the fact that nearby residents and every other adjacent reporting station had at least 24 inches.

Even the WaPo noticed this: "it has become apparent. . .through multiple conversations with the weather observers at Reagan National Airport, that the snowfall totals submitted to the National Weather Service for that location have not been measured properly."

Moe Lane on Why People Stockpile Bread, Eggs, and Milk Before a Snow Storm

...because they're perishables that run out quickly when you're making simple, straightforward blizzard foods like French toast, or scrambled eggs, or omelets, or pancakes, or sandwiches for the kids, or what have you. I mean, this isn't really rocket science, contra the Atlantic. Lots of people have kids, and people with kids need to have an uninterrupted supply of the foods that kids eat. I mean, I may need to walk over to the convenience store myself at some point to pick up some more milk. Hopefully not, but it may happen.

I guess it's panic when other people do it but just covering the dining bases when elite people like Atlantic journalists do it themselves.

On Trump and 'I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters'

Hooh boy. Don Surber puts Trump's comment in a bit more context but still - it's a pretty odd and rather egomaniacal boast.

"They [the polls] say I have the most loyal people -- did you ever see that? -- where I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters," Trump said, illustrating his point by pulling his fingers into a gun shape. "OK? It's like incredible."

The crowd laughed and clapped, and someone in the audience shouted out love for the candidate.

"We love you, too, man," Trump said.

The disturbing part is that it's probably more true than not. I figure Trump would lose maybe 10% tops after a random 5th Avenue shooting. And depending on whom he shot he might even gain.

Do Iowa Voters Really Care About Ethanol Anymore?

Apparently not according to this poll. End of the line for corn pandering?

Half of respondents (50%) say they either do not care much, or do not care at all, about the RFS and federal corn ethanol mandates
Fewer than two-in-five (39%) say they want presidential candidates to spend more time talking about the RFS and federal ethanol mandates
57 percent say they do not want candidates to talk about the topic at all
Only one-third (33%) know if any of the major presidential candidates support or oppose the RFS and federal corn ethanol mandates

Euro-Refugee Watch:

Angela Merkel Calls For 'Intensive Action' to Combat Anti-Semitism

While inviting the most anti-Semitic people in the world to come live in her country.

Muslim Group Says Germany Must Ban Alcohol If They Want to Prevent Further Sex Attacks

Excusing Away the Cologne Sex Attacks: "Truth is maybe 1000 men behaved very badly. Thousands & thousands more did not."

German Government Admits It Cannot Account For 600,000 of Its 1.1 Million Asylum Seekers

Germany Will Now Take Refugees' Cash and Gold Before They Can Receive Any Aid

Migrants in Calais Camp Riot, Attempt to Storm Ferry Port to Make Their Way to the UK

The Murder Capitol of Britain Is Also The Town With the Largest Increase in Migrants

RSM on the Pump-and-Dump Feminist

Shorter Reina Gattuso: The Patriarchy stole my orgasm. You can read the longer version of the screed here.

Feminists are simply women who do not like men. They have converted their anti-male hostility into a simulacrum of a political ideology, and expect the rest of us to take their rants and screeds seriously. In the feminist's mind, she is in the position of a tenured professor and we are all a bunch of clueless kids who have signed up for her Gender Studies class. She is an expert, and we are in need of her enlightenment. The subject of today's lecture is the same as yesterday and the day before: "Men Are Bad and Stupid, and You Should Hate Them."
It really is as simple as that. The feminist is a grievance collector, who spends her life cataloguing the wrongs and evils for which men are responsible - that is to say, everything - and encouraging other women to do the same. This endless repetition of gripes and complaints about men is occasionally interrupted by endorsement of some other trendy progressive cause (global warming) as well as predictable electioneering efforts on behalf of left-wing candidates.
...How many times do we have to read variations of this same tired theme? Anything and everything that any feminist decides to complain about is always blamed on "male supremacy." Everybody has been brainwashed by the patriarchy, we are expected to believe, and therefore we need feminists to tell us The Hidden Truth of the Oppressive Conspiracy that, in this example, has cheated Ms. Gattuso out of her orgasm. But the Oppressive Conspiracy of male supremacy is so vastly powerful that it can explain whatever irritates or annoys a feminist. The patriarchy is the Swiss Army Knife of feminism, an all-purpose tool of theory and analysis.

Another Sabrina Rubin Erdely Rape Story Aimed at the Patriarchy Turns Out to be a Huge, Steaming Pile of Crap

ALS Defense Unveils Special Anti-Drone Shotgun Rounds at the SHOT Show

Leading the good fight against our cyborg overlords this year was ALS defense (Amtech Less-Lethal Systems), with their Skynet anti-drone rounds for 12ga. shotguns and 37mm/40mm launchers. All kidding aside, this is quite a capable antidrone round. It works by spreading apart a bolo than can entangle the rotor blades as it ascends toward the drone. The rounds for the 12ga 3 1/2? Magnum can ascend 300ft, and achieve a 9 ft diameter, while the 2 3/4? rounds can achieve a 5ft diameter. Once they reach the apex of their ascent, the parachute down slowly enough to be caught in one's hand. The rounds are also non-toxic. For drones with shrouded blades, steel shot can be inserted into cavities between the pieces of the round.

Report: The FBI Has Stopped Processing NICS Denial Appeals

Donald Rumsfeld Helped Develop an iPhone Game

Like him or hate him, Donald Rumsfeld has been a jack of all trades -- and apparently, that now includes mobile games. The veteran politician has teamed up with programmers to release Churchill Solitaire, an iOS game based on the card game that Winston Churchill supposedly played to sharpen his strategic thought processes. Rumsfeld was strictly a creative director (he's not exactly a coder by trade), but his influence is everywhere. Reflections on Churchill's life appear while you're playing, and even the pricing mirrors Rumsfeld's values -- while the base game is free, hints and retries cost money ("there are damn few undos in life," he says).

The title isn't going to make you rethink your views on Rumsfeld, but it might be worth a go if you're not averse to efforts with his name attached. It's not only considerably tougher than regular solitaire, but requires the kind of long-term thinking that's not always present in card games. A careless decision early on can ruin your chances of winning much later.

El Salvador Asks Women Not to Get Pregnant Until 2018

Elvis Presley Sings An American Trilogy (Remastered 2015 Version (1080 60p)

Here he sings a medley of Dixie, All My Trials, and the Battle Hymn of the Republic as only the King could do it. If your kids every wonder why Elvis was a big deal, have them watch this video. Every time the horns and guitars come in for the climactic finale to the Battle Hymn I get tingles down my spine.

A Brick Inside a Washing Machine on a Trampoline

Attention Morons: Are You Looking For Single Latin Ladies Who Like Guns, Hunting Pigs, Hiking in the Outdoors, and Aren't Into the Whole Money Thing?

Then read further my friend. And just think - you with your fancy indoor plumbing, $200+ in savings, and general non-rapey ways could be their dreamboat novio.

Weekly Commenter Standings

Top 10 commenters:
1 [553 comments] 'ThunderB, Bitchin Betty' [77.63 posts/day]
2 [419 comments] 'Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016'
3 [413 comments] 'Mike Hammer, etc., etc.'
4 [371 comments] 'Ricardo Kill'
5 [370 comments] 'Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value'
6 [362 comments] 'L, Elle'
7 [346 comments] 'Ghost of kari'
8 [334 comments] 'Anna Puma'
9 [333 comments] 'Nevergiveup'
10 [333 comments] 'J.J. Sefton'

Top 10 sockpuppeteers:
1 [99 names] 'Teh Hoodie' [13.90 unique names/day]
2 [62 names] 'Amy Schumer'
3 [56 names] 'Caitlyn Jenner'
4 [53 names] 'Prince Ludwig the #Problematic'
5 [48 names] 'The Political Hat'
6 [43 names] 'Adriane the Technophobe ...'
7 [41 names] 'Cicero (@cicero)'
8 [32 names] 'Mugabe Giffords'
9 [31 names] 'Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value'
10 [31 names] 'andycanuck'

The group. Banned on 12 universities.

Where it's at - the Twitter

Tonight's post brought to you by they see me rollin', they hatin':

Notice: Posted by permission of AceCorp LLC. Please e-mail overnight open thread tips to the AoSHQ fax line. New blog policy: No non-mammalian service animals allowed in the ONT.

Posted by: Maetenloch at 11:06 PM

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1 Hi

Posted by: Mr. Mxyzptlk at January 24, 2016 11:08 PM (kHJ3a)

2 Not first

Posted by: JEM at January 24, 2016 11:10 PM (o+SC1)

3
Not first
Dang. Me either

Posted by: Old Blue at January 24, 2016 11:10 PM (9iR5/)

4 The disturbing part is that it's probably more true than not. I figure Trump would lose maybe 10% tops after a random 5th Avenue shooting. And depending on whom he shot he might even gain.

Well sure. Imagine the headline "Donald Trump shoots would be mugger stealing old lady's purse."

Posted by: buzzion at January 24, 2016 11:12 PM (zt+N6)

5 It's about time.
I was getting tired of seeing that beautiful American blonde every time I refreshed the page.

Who can help me with ace's amazon page? I need to order something, and would prefer he gets a penny or two, if possible.

Posted by: Chi at January 24, 2016 11:12 PM (I7I0v)

6 New blog policy: No non-mammalian service animals allowed in the ONT.

Awww man.

*Puts away service Iguana*

Posted by: buzzion at January 24, 2016 11:13 PM (zt+N6)

7 Hola, amigoz en loz intertuboz!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at January 24, 2016 11:13 PM (EzgxV)

8 Evenin' everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 24, 2016 11:14 PM (YJmuy)

9 >>> 6 [362 comments] 'L, Elle
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This is incorrect. I insist it is.

Geesh, really? Was I that mouthy?

Posted by: L, Elle at January 24, 2016 11:14 PM (2x3L+)

10 Measuring snow fall is actually a tricky thing to do depending on the wind direction.

Complaining that you was robbed of a new record because of three tenths of an inch is childish.

Posted by: Cael Lug at January 24, 2016 11:15 PM (nVQRc)

11 I just typed 41 socks and boy are my arms tired.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 24, 2016 11:15 PM (sl+zA)

12 Here is the "News of the Week" compilation of the news .

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=11003

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 24, 2016 11:16 PM (vBeA5)

13 * does victory dance *

Iiiiiii'm not on the top suckpoppeteers list this week!

I can now go read the post in peace.

Evening, Overnighters!

Posted by: mindful webworker - rekrowbew lufdnim at January 24, 2016 11:16 PM (ACs58)

14 The disturbing part is that it's probably more true than not. I figure Trump would lose maybe 10% tops after a random 5th Avenue shooting. And depending on whom he shot he might even gain.

Reality imitates the Onion. Remember that piece they did a few years ago where Obama was a serial killer and the media were trying to put a positive spin on it?

Posted by: rickl at January 24, 2016 11:16 PM (sdi6R)

15 European invasion is over. Europe lost.

Posted by: Cael Lug at January 24, 2016 11:17 PM (nVQRc)

16 Who can help me with ace's amazon page? I need to order something, and would prefer he gets a penny or two, if possible.

Posted by: Chi at January 24, 2016 11:12 PM (I7I0v)

Don't you just need to click the link to the page and start searching like you normally do on Amazon?

Posted by: buzzion at January 24, 2016 11:17 PM (zt+N6)

17 Hola all.

Steck, if you're here tonight, sorry I've been out of touch. Had to find a place to live. Will be in touch.

Posted by: Blano at January 24, 2016 11:18 PM (heN73)

18 The sock puppeteers should be listed first. They work harder than the big mouths with the most comments.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 24, 2016 11:18 PM (2x3L+)

19 Trump may not have meant shoot with a gun.

I bet his longbow skills are mighty.

Posted by: eman at January 24, 2016 11:18 PM (MQEz6)

20 Well considering Hillary can leak the nation's most sensitive secrets,committing numerous felonies in the process, and act as a woman-shaming rape enabler,and still be the favorite to be the nominee for her party's presidential nomination, Trump's comment doesn't sound so crazy or bad.

Posted by: Grimaldi at January 24, 2016 11:19 PM (kG9Ed)

21 Gettin' Rowdy

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 24, 2016 11:20 PM (FkBIv)

22 Did we ever get a year end commenter list for 2015 this year?

Posted by: buzzion at January 24, 2016 11:20 PM (zt+N6)

23 Everyone should have a FARC rebel for housekeeper or gardener.

Posted by: Cael Lug at January 24, 2016 11:21 PM (nVQRc)

24 Howdy, Horde!

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at January 24, 2016 11:21 PM (rJUlF)

25 Re: "And depending on whom he shot he might even gain." -- I've got a little list....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-_m6EZ1SUk

Posted by: cthulhu at January 24, 2016 11:21 PM (EzgxV)

26 That was MLK in 1958.

MLK evolved. He came out against the Vietnam War, and came out for "democratic socialism".

It was a good statement then, but he didn't hold it as a core tenet, on account that he threw it off later.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 24, 2016 11:21 PM (6FqZa)

27 Iowa ethanol poll: Did they poll voters, or did they poll, you know, the folks who matter, the people with big bucks who have a vested interest in ethanol?

Posted by: mindful webworker - he pondered, cynically at January 24, 2016 11:22 PM (ACs58)

28 "Rumsfeld was strictly a creative director (he's not exactly a coder by trade)"

I have mixed opinions about Rummy as SECDEF, but he was a serving naval aviator, a profession which lethally punishes lack of attention to detail, during an era in which many naval aviators were thus punished.

If code jockeys were subjected to the same uncompromising standard, three-quarters of the dot-com companies in the world would immediately shut down.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 24, 2016 11:22 PM (noWW6)

29 22 Did we ever get a year end commenter list for 2015 this year?
Posted by: buzzion at January 24, 2016 11:20 PM (zt+N6)

Nope. Because of the changes to the commenting structure over the past year it would require a lot of special code to handle them and I just haven't had the time to work on the script.

Posted by: Maetenloch at January 24, 2016 11:22 PM (wqVD1)

30
Hey Maet, did you do the 2015 commentor stats yet?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 24, 2016 11:22 PM (ODxAs)

31 22 Did we ever get a year end commenter list for 2015 this year?

Posted by: buzzion

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You made the In Memoriam section. It was touching and tastefully done.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 24, 2016 11:22 PM (sl+zA)

32 >>>>> Did we ever get a year end commenter list for 2015 this year?
Posted by: buzzion at January 24, 2016 11:20 PM (zt+N6)
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I don't think so, but you'd be on that list since you were both dead and alive during that time period.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 24, 2016 11:22 PM (2x3L+)

33 You wanted another Reagan

You'd settle for Trump

You'll get another Schwarzenegger

Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 24, 2016 11:23 PM (EZebt)

34 I've said this before in relation to Trumps "shooting somebody" comment: Isn't this about the same as what folks have been saying on here for years about the Obama cultists, that he could murder a baby on live tv and still be unimpeachable?

So, yeah, just what we need, another cult leader prez.

Posted by: mindful webworker - or eat a dog at January 24, 2016 11:24 PM (ACs58)

35 "...where I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters," Trump said, illustrating his point by pulling his fingers into a gun shape. "OK? It's like incredible."

Sort of like John Lennon saying the Beatles were more popular than Jesus.

Posted by: Jim at January 24, 2016 11:24 PM (rnwV8)

36 It always makes me choose a category, but my only choices are books or movies. Won't let me search the entirety of Amazon...
I want to order rat traps for the neighbor's garage, but am too stupid to figure out how!

Posted by: Chi at January 24, 2016 11:25 PM (I7I0v)

37 If code jockeys were subjected to the same uncompromising standard, three-quarters of the dot-com companies in the world would immediately shut down.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 24, 2016 11:22 PM (noWW6)

You'd also have maybe 4-5% of the software available now and it would be hugely expensive. Because tradeoffs.

Posted by: Maetenloch at January 24, 2016 11:25 PM (wqVD1)

38 I don't think so, but you'd be on that list since you were both dead and alive during that time period.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 24, 2016 11:22 PM (2x3L+)

Actually no I wouldn't. I've only made the list once or twice. And that was when I was only commenting from a single IP. Now I comment from 2, and also occasionally on my phone with multiple hashes.

Posted by: buzzion at January 24, 2016 11:25 PM (zt+N6)

39 Ola, and, beyond my Sunday bedtime. Hasta.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 24, 2016 11:25 PM (2vFcI)

40 Checked out that Churchill Solitaire. Only available on I-tunes. I didn't see an option for Android.

Posted by: Old Blue at January 24, 2016 11:27 PM (9iR5/)

41 I've never made the Top Ten, and likely never will. I'm just not as quick with a joke (or to light up your smoke) as many around here.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at January 24, 2016 11:28 PM (rJUlF)

42 Evenin', fappers. Number two on the list o' shame I see. You'd think I had nothing better to do... You'd be correct.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 24, 2016 11:28 PM (kpqmD)

43 Man, relax on the Trump quote, it was what we call in the biz "a joke".

Posted by: other joe_mama at January 24, 2016 11:28 PM (13W9U)

44 >>>Actually no I wouldn't. I've only made the list once or twice. And that was when I was only commenting from a single IP. Now I comment from 2, and also occasionally on my phone with multiple hashes.
Posted by: buzzion at January 24, 2016 11:25 PM
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So, now you've surpassed being dead and being able to post to just bragging?
:-)

Posted by: L, Elle at January 24, 2016 11:29 PM (2x3L+)

45 36
It always makes me choose a category, but my only choices are books or movies. Won't let me search the entirety of Amazon...

I want to order rat traps for the neighbor's garage, but am too stupid to figure out how!

Posted by: Chi at January 24, 2016 11:25 PM (I7I0v)

If you click the logo under the category and the blank box, you can see in the url that it carries forward the aoshq-20 tag -- and that gets you the regular amazon search menu.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 24, 2016 11:29 PM (EzgxV)

46 *Forces a turnover*

Posted by: Carolina Panthers at January 24, 2016 11:30 PM (zt+N6)

47
Ooops great minds and all that. nevermind.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 24, 2016 11:30 PM (ODxAs)

48 Goodnight and sweet dreams, RK

Posted by: L, Elle at January 24, 2016 11:30 PM (2x3L+)

49 stockpile bread eggs and milk.

I buy flour in twenty five pound bags and usually have two bags and a pound of yeast. As long as I have 'lectricity, I can make bread. I buy nine dozen eggs at a time, and sometimes pickle a couple of dozen. And I usually have two large boxes of powdered milk, and a couple of cases of canned milk.

Unless I'm at the end of the cycle and I don't have any of that.

Then there is all the other stuff you need to go with it.

Posted by: Cael Lug at January 24, 2016 11:31 PM (nVQRc)

50 Regarding the airport's problem with reporting snow totals, we've noticed something similar with the weather station at our local airport (the only one in a fairly rural part of Missouri). It consistently under-reports rainfall totals; a couple summers ago there was a series of storms which dumped a ton of water all at once; every farmer's rain gauge I know of had 5-6 inches in it, but the airport reported only 2.5. And so on. It's gotten to be a running joke in our area--"We had so much rain last night, I bet the airport picked up a quarter inch!"

It's also a concrete example of why I'm so skeptical of the broader weather data being used to support AGW.

Posted by: T at January 24, 2016 11:32 PM (NctcF)

51 Concerns about Trump are valid, but I worry more about Cruz.

What if Cruz is less against the gope than he pretends?

What if Cruz turns out to be a yuuge disappointment?

Then what?

You see, there are no sure things. It is always a gamble.

Posted by: eman at January 24, 2016 11:32 PM (MQEz6)

52 " Evenin', fappers. Number two on the list o' shame I see. You'd think I had nothing better to do... You'd be correct."

Pfft. I had to wake up for that.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 24, 2016 11:32 PM (2vFcI)

53 I think the "they" in the Trump quote is "the MSM" not "the polls". He also then pointed his finger at the crowd and mock shot. Yeah, that sounds serious. /sarc

Posted by: andycanuck at January 24, 2016 11:33 PM (DLIIY)

54 45 36
It always makes me choose a category, but my only choices are books or movies. Won't let me search the entirety of Amazon...

I want to order rat traps for the neighbor's garage, but am too stupid to figure out how!

Posted by: Chi at January 24, 2016 11:25 PM (I7I0v)

If you click the logo under the category and the blank box, you can see in the url that it carries forward the aoshq-20 tag -- and that gets you the regular amazon search menu.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 24, 2016 11:29 PM (EzgxV)

If you click the link on the main page that says "The AOSHQ Amazon Store" It will bring you to the amazon portal. Then you should see a sidebar on that page with "search" If you look down it you will see "Search All of Amazon.com" And once you are there you will probably notice that the URL still does include AOSHQ-20, so you will still be good to go.

Posted by: Carolina Panthers at January 24, 2016 11:33 PM (zt+N6)

55 Man, relax on the Trump quote, it was what we call in the biz "a joke".

Posted by: other joe_mama at January 24, 2016 11:28 PM (13W9U)

Also, sounds like most of his fans qualifiy their support based on who gets randomly shot. A crook or a Democrat, BIRM, no problemo. A momma with 3 little chirrens? Big problem.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 24, 2016 11:33 PM (Z8fuk)

56 eman, same worries about Cruz and Trump.
Same place as you
Gambling too

Posted by: L, Elle at January 24, 2016 11:33 PM (2x3L+)

57 "Goodnight and sweet dreams, RK"

You too, sweet gal.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 24, 2016 11:33 PM (2vFcI)

58 Damn Panther's intercepted my comment.

Posted by: buzzion at January 24, 2016 11:33 PM (zt+N6)

59 18 The sock puppeteers should be listed first. They work harder than the big mouths with the most comments.
Posted by: L, Elle
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[370 comments] 'Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value'
6 [362 comments] 'L, Elle'
7 [346 comments] 'Ghost of kari'

Ha! I knew there was a reason that I liked you so much.

Posted by: Chi at January 24, 2016 11:34 PM (I7I0v)

60 Well considering Hillary can leak the nation's most
sensitive secrets,committing numerous felonies in the process, and act
as a woman-shaming rape enabler,and still be the favorite to be the
nominee for her party's presidential nomination, Trump's comment
doesn't sound so crazy or bad.

Posted by: Grimaldi at January 24, 2016 11:19 PM (kG9Ed)

I thought it was related to the mud-slinging, but good point.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 24, 2016 11:34 PM (T78UI)

61 "Man is not made for the state; the state is made for man."

It's nice to try to defend MLK I guess, but that link also has comments showing MLK seemed to think the state needed to be a powerful force, in order to help men have good union jobs.

government OF the people, BY the people ... comes before "FOR the people". But the black cause was rather unique, so leeway was granted. But the equal rights became special rights, and now reparations are not even enough to satisfy the black liberation theology president. America itself and its KKK genetics must be liberated.

S Africa had white anti Apartheid (well meaning) activists pre-Mandela, but they have been subject to such racist communist terror that they now must flee or die. So giving people too much leeway just because they are black ... or woman, or LGBTQWERTY, or foreign ... leads to all the problems we have now. A black president, next ... Hillary running solely on being woman.

Posted by: Illiniwek at January 24, 2016 11:34 PM (5Gpe2)

62 53 I think the "they" in the Trump quote is "the MSM" not "the polls". He also then pointed his finger at the crowd and mock shot. Yeah, that sounds serious. /sarc
Posted by: andycanuck at January 24, 2016 11:33 PM (DLIIY)

I thought that too but when you watch the video, he clearly says 'the polls' before he made the statement. So it seems to be his own interpretation of the polls - not the MSM's.

Posted by: Maetenloch at January 24, 2016 11:36 PM (wqVD1)

63 12 TPH:

Just dm'd you at Twitter.

Posted by: speedster1 at January 24, 2016 11:36 PM (vUcdz)

64 HOOOORDE

Sunday night is stupid. Work is also stupid.

Posted by: DC in River City at January 24, 2016 11:37 PM (e+1S5)

65 Benefit to working second shift: Drinking on Sunday night and not worrying about going into work hung over.

Posted by: buzzion at January 24, 2016 11:39 PM (zt+N6)

66 * waves hi to DC *

How are Cougar and Princess?
And you. How are you?

Posted by: L, Elle at January 24, 2016 11:39 PM (2x3L+)

67 DC, LOL.

I admit Sunday night is my favorite night of the week to stay up late. It still feels... forbidden somehow. (And the TV listings for late night Sunday prove it; there's *nothing* worthwhile on unless you love infomercials.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 24, 2016 11:40 PM (ntObR)

68 Jim: Sort of like John Lennon saying the Beatles were more popular than Jesus.

Sort of... except that John wasn't bragging, he was kind-of appalled, as I recall.

Posted by: mindful webworker - all you need is cultists at January 24, 2016 11:40 PM (ACs58)

69 Glad I'll be in the air and not able to watch this years nfl clusterfuck. It will not be epic. From the teams playing to the halftime show, this game is frosted with all kinds of suckage. Oh, and fuck Elway.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 24, 2016 11:40 PM (ucDmr)

70 Thank you, Maet. I didn't notice that.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 24, 2016 11:40 PM (DLIIY)

71 I went to a Denver-area grocery store today, and the thing I noticed they were out of was Velveeta. Because of the Broncos playing in the AFC championship, I suspect.

Well, I wound up getting the last two-pound block of the store-brand equivalent. I only wanted one pound, but I had to take two pounds because that single two-pound package was all they had left.

Not to brag or anything, but I made some damn good dip out of it.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 24, 2016 11:42 PM (0OG8D)

72 I admit Sunday night is my favorite night of the week to stay up late. It still feels... forbidden somehow. (And the TV listings for late night Sunday prove it; there's *nothing* worthwhile on unless you love infomercials.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 24, 2016 11:40 PM (ntObR)

Just think: when Sham-Wows and George Foreman grills become sought-after collectibles, you will be sitting on a gold mine!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 24, 2016 11:42 PM (Z8fuk)

73 The gnashing of teeth after Iowa is going to be insane, even though it won't have much impact on who actually turns out to be the nominee. That night, I will be reading a book by the fireplace.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 24, 2016 11:42 PM (COpZ4)

74 You could take the Trumpism another way. He could stand on a corner in NYC and empty magazines all afternoon, and not lose any voters because no one there would have voted for him anyway.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 24, 2016 11:42 PM (xq1UY)

75 Chi, you weren't supposed to notice that. Maetenloch was supposed to just take me off that shame list by my instinctence that there was a miscalculation on his part.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 24, 2016 11:43 PM (2x3L+)

76 They just had the porn awards in Vegas, and Bill Clinton just happened to be there, just a coincidence I'm sure. I hope someone took some secret snaps of just what Bill was up to, and leaks 'em.

Of course, ol' Bill is looking pretty gaunt of late. And I think his mind may be slipping a bit.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at January 24, 2016 11:44 PM (dvuhZ)

77 I think Cruz's wife working for Goldman Sachs is one of the biggest reasons people don't want him. It might be unfair, but people just fucking hate Goldman Sachs, and it crosses a lot of ideological lines.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 24, 2016 11:45 PM (COpZ4)

78 hi all
ugh what a day
thank you Maet for another excellent ONT
how is everyone doing tonite?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 24, 2016 11:45 PM (uZNvH)

79 It's also a concrete example of why I'm so skeptical of the broader weather data being used to support AGW.

Posted by: T at January 24, 2016 11:32 PM (NctcF)
---------My biggest problem with AGW? Michael Mann cherry picking data that ignored the Medieval and Roman Warm periods, ignoring the Little Ice Age and publishing his hockey stick graph. He was ultimately chastised for that but it still lingers.Phil Jones of East Anglia University, him of the "The Science is Settled" who destroyed his data rather than let skeptical scientists verify his "amazing tree ring data".
The current director of NOAA who refuses to turn over to a congressional oversight committee the raw data of their temperature readings, insisting that their "adjusted data" is all you need to see.All the AGW crowd that now insist that satellite data, which they swore was "totes" accurate, is now inaccurate because it doesn't conform to their narrative.The biggest problem is that this information is being hidden from the sheeple so as to support the "Oh My GOD! We're all gonna die from Gorebull enwarmening if we DON'T DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW!"Stupid fuckers.

Posted by: Old Blue at January 24, 2016 11:45 PM (9iR5/)

80
"Trump's comment in a bit more context..."

Context? On the internet? You got to be kidding:

Cliff Sims
Trump openly says his supporters are so easily manipulated he could murder people in the streets and not lose votes

Jim
Trump believes his supporters will stand by him even if he commits murder. He is is indeed a dangerous man!

Troy Johnson
Trump: "I could get away with murder."

D3ni@l Ki11$witch*
I know we keep thinking we've reached peak Trump but he just literally told his supporters he could get away with murder.
*Writer, The Late Show With Stephen Colbert

Note the slide from "shoot" to "murder" and the fresh and innovative use of the direct quote.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 24, 2016 11:45 PM (kdS6q)

81 Ok, thanks guys.
I see that part now.
Last time I tried to order somethin,g, it wasn't obvious how to use my Prime acct - should that be really esay too? Once I get to checkout?

Posted by: Chi at January 24, 2016 11:45 PM (I7I0v)

82 Of course, ol' Bill is looking pretty gaunt of late. And I think his mind may be slipping a bit.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at January 24, 2016 11:44 PM (dvuhZ)

Didn't someone here say that they have Clinton on a vegetarian diet? That's enough to make anybody look wan.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 24, 2016 11:46 PM (Z8fuk)

83
I've said this before in relation to Trumps "shooting somebody" comment:
Isn't this about the same as what folks have been saying on here for
years about the Obama cultists, that he could murder a baby on live tv
and still be unimpeachable?

So, yeah, just what we need, another cult leader prez.

Posted by: mindful webworker - or eat a dog at January 24, 2016 11:24 PM (ACs5

My thoughts too.

The really shitty part is Trump will be worse for conservatives. Trump has all the cult of personality lack of accountability with none of Obama's unbending will that has seen his voters' agenda implemented. Say what you will about TFG, he has been amazingly effective implementing his agenda to destroy (or as he says "remake") America. Trump does not have any agenda other than to get elected and is perfectly willing to be "make deals" with the wrong people if he is elected.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 24, 2016 11:46 PM (NPofj)

84 64 HOOOORDE

Sunday night is stupid. Work is also stupid.
Posted by: DC in River City at January 24, 2016 11:37 PM (e+1S5)

Agreed. But, work is not as stupid as being broke.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 24, 2016 11:46 PM (kpqmD)

85 Didn't someone here say that they have Clinton on a vegetarian diet?
He only eats Playboy Bunnies?

Posted by: andycanuck at January 24, 2016 11:47 PM (DLIIY)

86 Yes, I've heard Chelsea talked into going Vegan and his hearty-tack.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at January 24, 2016 11:47 PM (dvuhZ)

87 Didn't Trump stop a mugging at some point?

Found it:
http://tinyurl.com/jkoyrqx

Perhaps he'll just shoot the mugger next time.

Posted by: Red at January 24, 2016 11:48 PM (CdEiq)

88 Trump and Teddy are pretty evenly matched in hairstyles. Caucus participation should be high and the results tight.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 24, 2016 11:48 PM (NUqwG)

89
I think Cruz's wife working for Goldman Sachs is one of the biggest
reasons people don't want him. It might be unfair, but people just
fucking hate Goldman Sachs, and it crosses a lot of ideological lines.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 24, 2016 11:45 PM (COpZ4)

That and he is not native born... and a lot of people thinks he puts of a creepy uncle fester vibe.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 24, 2016 11:48 PM (T78UI)

90 Interesting. I did put paragraphs in my last statement. The pixie hamsters must be in on the AGW charade by making my statement on long run on sentence to make me look stooopid.

Posted by: Old Blue at January 24, 2016 11:48 PM (9iR5/)

91 78
hi all
ugh what a day
thank you Maet for another excellent ONT
how is everyone doing tonite?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 24, 2016 11:45 PM (uZNvH)

What happened to you today?

Posted by: cthulhu at January 24, 2016 11:49 PM (EzgxV)

92 I think Cruz's wife working for Goldman Sachs is one
of the biggest reasons people don't want him. It might be unfair, but
people just fucking hate Goldman Sachs, and it crosses a lot of
ideological lines.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 24, 2016 11:45 PM (COpZ4)

Most people don't know what Goldman Sachs is and the only ones who care that Cruz's wife worked for them are the same people who are so "concerned" that he was born in Canada... namely Trump partisans.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 24, 2016 11:49 PM (NPofj)

93 cthulhu well I spent all day working on a presentation for tomorrow

Posted by: chemjeff at January 24, 2016 11:50 PM (uZNvH)

94 *Writer, The Late Show With Stephen Colbert

Does Trump have any writers?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 24, 2016 11:50 PM (FkBIv)

95 >>>How are Cougar and Princess?

Perfect in all the ways.

Posted by: DC in River City at January 24, 2016 11:50 PM (e+1S5)

96 Folding up the tablet and changing locations. The dog insists. Don't wait for me. Carry on normally.

Heh heh. Normally? The Horde? I crack m'self up!

Posted by: mindful webworker - back in a while... maybe... at January 24, 2016 11:50 PM (ACs58)

97 It sure seems like Trump has more support in Iowa, but will they actually caucus and do all that? I don't know. The regular primary states won't have this issue, so Cruz could very well win Iowa which wouldn't surprise me but it is hard to see how he can win the next batch of states. I am just going by the polls which have Trump up in them by large margins. They could change sure, but time is getting tight to erase big leads.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 24, 2016 11:51 PM (COpZ4)

98
Excusing Away the Cologne Sex Attacks: "Truth is maybe 1000 men behaved very badly. Thousands thousands more did not."

And because you're got no idea who she is -- moi aussi:

Clementine Shepherd Ford is an American actress and known for her appearance as Molly Kroll on Showtime's The L Word. Daughter of Cybill Shepherd and David M. Ford

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 24, 2016 11:52 PM (kdS6q)

99 Fuck every single one of the Clintons. They should be relegated to the dustbin of history. Two bit phonies every one of them. Nasty, vile scum. The shit you scrap off your boots when you walk through a barnyard.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 24, 2016 11:52 PM (ucDmr)

100 Old Blue yeah pixy randomly eats paragraph breaks

maybe it's time to replace one of the hamsters

Posted by: chemjeff at January 24, 2016 11:53 PM (uZNvH)

101 "Concerns about Trump are valid, but I worry more about Cruz.

What if Cruz is less against the gope than he pretends?" eman

yeah, Trump has an empire that comes and goes with "America" so he is invested, and he has a long history of business and real profit loss statements.

I became interested in politics only after years delving into the financial side of things, and wondering how the hell Goldman Sachs gets away with moving guys like Rubin between GS offices, the White House, and various globalist entities like IMF and CFR and world banks.

It sure seemed Goldman had their guys in every trillion dollar decision, like Paulson in TARP, Rubin in the LTCM bailout for millionaires, the IMF money to Russia that (allegedly) bought the oligarchs mansions of the Mediterranean. Who the hell are these guys?

Cruz met his wife in 2000 campaigning for Bush, and then in 2005 she started work for Goldman Sachs, and advanced there as Ted advanced in government. Did GS see any advantage to having one of theirs rewarded as her spouse was moving toward the Senate? Not illegal, Fine ... but "outsider Ted Cruz", with no strings attached? Really? It would be one more case of one foot in the WH, one in GS.

But he could still be fine, though he is just seeming too slippery to me, time after time. But still ... it's Trump, or Cruz.

Posted by: Illiniwek at January 24, 2016 11:53 PM (5Gpe2)

102 I'm watching a mostly French language movie, Female Agent, about WWII. Half and hour in, the main actress speaks English and I immediately recognize her as Sophie Marceau.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 24, 2016 11:53 PM (VdICR)

103 >>>But, work is not as stupid as being broke.

Well, that's true. And that's why the dumb alarm clock gets all buzzy and noisy in...fuck. How did it get that late?

Posted by: DC in River City at January 24, 2016 11:53 PM (e+1S5)

104 The shit you scrap off your boots when you walk through a barnyard.
Posted by: chavez the hugo

It's what plants crave.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 24, 2016 11:53 PM (FkBIv)

105 maybe it's time to replace one of the hamsters

Posted by: chemjeff at January 24, 2016 11:53 PM (uZNvH)

I hit "enter" 3 times to make a paragraph break here. That usually works.

Like this.

And this.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 24, 2016 11:54 PM (Z8fuk)

106
I remember reading some Iowa polls that showed the birther issue could
indeed hurt Cruz. Only low 30ish% of Iowa Republicans say someone
foreign born should be allowed to be president, and nearly 50% say they
shouldn't.

And just less than half of them were aware Cruz was born in Canada.

That's why Trump started bringing it up.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at January 24, 2016 11:55 PM (dvuhZ)

107 Blano, hi! 's OK, you told me life was about to get crazy.

Posted by: Steck at January 24, 2016 11:55 PM (ht/89)

108 104: I guess that's what most voters are. Plants. We are so fucked.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 24, 2016 11:55 PM (ucDmr)

109 Trump does not have any agenda other than to get
elected and is perfectly willing to be "make deals" with the wrong
people if he is elected.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 24, 2016 11:46 PM (NPofj)

I think his agenda is pretty easily inferred. He's an extremely rich man in the twilight of his life, but there's one thing he can't buy with all of his money, and that's a legacy. Why else would he be putting his name and fortune on the line to run for office? For any other reason, he's got just about everything to lose and nothing to gain.

Now if he wants his legacy to be a good one, he's going to have to deliver what the majority wants. And it's pretty clear that the majority is against unlimited illegal immigration. Frankly, if he clears up that issue and doesn't make a big mess all over the place in other areas, he'll be the best President we've had in decades. He probably knows that, too. The last several have set a pretty low bar...

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 24, 2016 11:55 PM (HalrA)

110 Most people don't know what Goldman Sachs is and the only ones who care that Cruz's wife worked for them are the same people who are so "concerned" that he was born in Canada... namely Trump partisans.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 24, 2016 11:49 PM (NPofj)

I see your point on that. Sure there are a bunch of people who simply see Goldman Sachs as representative of "evil wall street" and don't know the details, but many other people who are pro investment view Goldman as a massive hedge fund that now masquerades as a bank. They aren't the cleanest shop out there, not by a long shot. I wouldn't want them involved in my business that's for sure.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 24, 2016 11:56 PM (COpZ4)

111
Reina Gattuso: The Patriarchy stole my orgasm.

"Alas, friend of mine, you have had an orgasm and are falling asleep. I have not had an orgasm and am not falling asleep, which means I am awake, which means I am now going to lecture you about feminism."

*snore* meepmeepmeepmeep *snore*

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 24, 2016 11:58 PM (kdS6q)

112 so now Trump has called Malkin dumb and stupid. I thought you had to be at least 40 years old to run for President.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 24, 2016 11:58 PM (MNgU2)

113 "I think Cruz's wife working for Goldman Sachs is one of the biggest
reasons people don't want him. It might be unfair, but people just
fucking hate Goldman Sachs, and it crosses a lot of ideological lines."

I hated Goldman a lot less before G.W. Bush appointed Goldman exec Hank Paulson (now a billionaire, by the by) and Paulson then decided that the single most important thing for Fedzilla to do during the 2008 financial blowup was to rescue Goldman from its own self-inflicted follies at public expense.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2016 12:00 AM (noWW6)

114 Um, Trump is NOT putting his fortune on the line, Cato. His name & reputation, maybe. But he's barely spent pocket change so far. He isn't serious.

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 12:00 AM (I7I0v)

115 Goldman-Sachs is just the private arm of the elite club that runs the US Treasury/Fed/financial system. Revolving door, regulatory capture, and all that.

Whether the administration is R or D, the Goldman-Sachs club will run the system. They aren't the only private name of that club, but they're a big one and the most well-known.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at January 25, 2016 12:00 AM (dvuhZ)

116 I think the Cruz birther thing will go the way of the McCain birther thing. McCain was not born in the US. His parents were stationed in the Panama Canal Zone when he was born.
Obama, OTOH, in his first book declared that he was born in Kenya. His mother was American. If it was good enough for the TFG, it's good enough for Cruz.

Posted by: Old Blue at January 25, 2016 12:00 AM (9iR5/)

117 Now if he wants his legacy to be a good one, he's
going to have to deliver what the majority wants. And it's pretty clear
that the majority is against unlimited illegal immigration. Frankly, if
he clears up that issue and doesn't make a big mess all over the place
in other areas, he'll be the best President we've had in decades. He
probably knows that, too. The last several have set a pretty low bar...

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 24, 2016 11:55 PM (HalrA)

Burying political correctness and national concealed carry reciprocity (in the same form as driers licenses) are two other of his basic planks that I like.
Not so keen on the tax plan... but negotiating trade on what is best for USA vs. free trade for the sake of free trade is a good plank too.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 25, 2016 12:01 AM (T78UI)

118 Well, if Trump is dumping on Michelle Malkin, then he has gone too far and it's over between us.

I'll never speak to him.

Posted by: Cael Lug at January 25, 2016 12:01 AM (nVQRc)

119 If Trump becomes POTUS and does a 180 on securing the border, his ratings will drop like a rock and he will have no chance at re-election. Even if he doesn't want to run again, his legacy will be shot and his name will be mud. I think he will do everything he can to follow through on that. His ego couldn't take having approval ratings of 25-30%. 50%, yes, but not 25%. I am more worried about the judges, which is why I hope and think Jeff Sessions will be in his ear about it.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 25, 2016 12:02 AM (COpZ4)

120 so now Trump has called Malkin dumb and stupid...
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 24, 2016 11:58 PM (MNgU2)
-----
Wasn't that three years ago?

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 12:02 AM (NUqwG)

121 113: Save Goldman and kill their competitors. They let Lehman fail. I've forgotten the details, but I've read pieces who got saved was good for GS, and who got taken out and shot was good for GS as well.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at January 25, 2016 12:04 AM (dvuhZ)

122 Most people don't know what Goldman Sachs is and the
only ones who care that Cruz's wife worked for them are the same people
who are so "concerned" that he was born in Canada... namely Trump
partisans.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 24, 2016 11:49 PM (NPofj)

I personally am glad it is the Birther issue the pro-trumpies are using to scare everyone away from Cruz.

If it had been accusations of being a witch, or being a hemophiliac, I would be subjected to unending stupid statements about "satanic influences" or "the depravity of the Romanovs" and that would have been stupid, willfully ignorant, AND really tacky.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 25, 2016 12:04 AM (q2o38)

123 Wasn't that three years ago?

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 12:02 AM (NUqwG)
------Quite frankly, who hasn't Trump called stupid? That list is growing shorter by the day. I may be on that list, but I'm not sure. Hard to keep up with.

Posted by: Old Blue at January 25, 2016 12:05 AM (9iR5/)

124 McCain was not born in the US. His parents were stationed in the Panama Canal Zone when he was born.
------
On U.S territory (as though sovereign), both parents citizens, at least one parent on government business - none of which apply for Cruz.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 12:05 AM (NUqwG)

125 So, this is a Trump thread again. Whoopie! The shit will sort itself out. Always does. We need more Chelsea.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 25, 2016 12:05 AM (ucDmr)

126
Reina Gattuso

Haaaavard, natch:

http://tinyurl.com/j9xggqv

Butter face -- and apparently on her baked potatoes too.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 12:05 AM (kdS6q)

127 114
Um, Trump is NOT putting his fortune on the line, Cato. His name
reputation, maybe. But he's barely spent pocket change so far. He isn't
serious.

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 12:00 AM (I7I0v)

He has lost business over it, and there's been some kerfluffle with one of his projects in Mexico that I honestly didn't pay much attention to (my give a damn reserves are pretty low these days, I admit.)

As far as the spending, we'll see. We're still early in the primary season, and Trump has been getting by on playing the media like a fiddle so they give him free air time. The slick campaign ads probably won't start going national for another few months yet, and he'll probably have to start marching out his own to counter them.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 25, 2016 12:05 AM (HalrA)

128 If Trump becomes President he won't care what you think if he changes his positions and if you say anything he will just call you stupid and a loser.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 12:06 AM (MNgU2)

129 Woot woot ONT

Fell asleep waiting
Time for coment

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 25, 2016 12:06 AM (voOPb)

130 Trump attacks anyone who says a bad thing about him. It seems thin skinned and a bit odd, but then again, it seems to be working for him. He is ALWAYS on offense. Even if he misfires, he keeps pulling the trigger. He doesn't play defense which separates him from the GOP because all they do is play defense. He rarely responds to a charge made against him. Instead, he attacks! We may not like the attack, but lots of people are just happy to see someone doing it for a change!

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 25, 2016 12:06 AM (COpZ4)

131 ...because they're perishables that run out quickly when you're making simple, straightforward blizzard foods like French toast, or scrambled eggs, or omelets, or pancakes, or sandwiches for the kids, or what have you.

Blizzard foods are Oreo double stuff, pop tarts and tasty kakes.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 25, 2016 12:07 AM (zc3Db)

132 Excusing Away the Cologne Sex Attacks: "Truth is maybe 1000 men behaved very badly. Thousands thousands more did not."

I hate this stupid argument.

Number of Gestapo agents, in all of Europe (i.e., Germany, Austria, and all of occupied Europe), at the height of WWII? 5000.

Number of Germans? 80 million.

5000/80 E6 = 0.0625% of the German population. So ... per liberals, Gestapo agents were no problem, right?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:07 AM (oKE6c)

133
so now Trump has called Malkin dumb and stupid...

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 24, 2016 11:58 PM (MNgU2)

-----

Wasn't that three years ago?

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 12:02 AM (NUqwG)

yes, March 2013

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 25, 2016 12:08 AM (T78UI)

134
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 25, 2016 12:06 AM (COpZ4)
c'mon you are just rationalizing.

it is okay to say "no, it's wrong to mock and insult everyone who disagrees with you"

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 12:08 AM (uZNvH)

135 Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 12:02 AM (NUqwG)

He just doubled down when Malkin tweeted about his earlier name calling.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 12:08 AM (MNgU2)

136 I'll never speak to him.
Posted by: Cael Lug at January 25, 2016 12:01 AM (nVQRc)

Do you really have small ears?

Posted by: Kindltot at January 25, 2016 12:09 AM (q2o38)

137 Good to,see Mr. Hammer in top 10

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 25, 2016 12:09 AM (voOPb)

138 McCain was not born in the US. His parents were stationed in the Panama Canal Zone when he was born.
------
On U.S territory (as though sovereign), both parents citizens, at least one parent on government business - none of which apply for Cruz.
Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 12:05 AM (NUqwG)

Canal Zone was not incorporated territory. Citizenship at birth was granted by statute. It's the same thing with the unincorporated territories. For example, American Samoans are American Nationals, but not Citizens.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 25, 2016 12:09 AM (vBeA5)

139 The bread thing makes me laugh because I have to buy about 3 loaves at a time to feed my huge family. I always get weird looks. Look people, we go through a *lot* of PB&Js around these parts.

Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2016 12:09 AM (Kqit+)

140 Do Iowa Voters Really Care About Ethanol Anymore?

How do you feel about methane? Because I gotta tell ya, folks.... *oh, gawd!* Just run. Run for your lives.

Posted by: Hillary! at January 25, 2016 12:10 AM (mxCgt)

141 Ok, here's one.
You know how your friends say "I need some advice" but they don't really want advice, they just want confirmation of their predetermined bad decision?

Well, I need some advice...

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 12:10 AM (I7I0v)

142 If Trump becomes POTUS and does a 180 on securing
the border, his ratings will drop like a rock and he will have no chance
at re-election. Even if he doesn't want to run again, his legacy will
be shot and his name will be mud. I think he will do everything he can
to follow through on that. His ego couldn't take having approval ratings
of 25-30%. 50%, yes, but not 25%. I am more worried about the judges,
which is why I hope and think Jeff Sessions will be in his ear about it.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 25, 2016 12:02 AM (COpZ4)

The border is important but it is not the only thing. Trump has, in the past, supported single payer health care, bans on "assault weapons" and still supports tariffs that would cripple this country. He is a crony capitalist of the first order and is totally A-OK with subsidies and other forms of corporate welfare that allowed Goldman Sachs to be bailed out... something, BTW, that Cruz's wife had absolutely zero to do with.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 25, 2016 12:10 AM (NPofj)

143 Canal Zone was not incorporated territory.
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 25, 2016 12:09 AM (vBeA5)
------
But as if sovereign territory by law. At any rate more incorporated than Canada.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 12:11 AM (NUqwG)

144 Sunday Night ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/691319148077518848

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/691369292382748672

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/691320457627332608

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/691320995815251969

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/691370885643669505

Posted by: kbdabear at January 25, 2016 12:11 AM (pOHMv)

145 Well, I need some advice...
Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 12:10 AM (I7I0v)

The answer is you are absolutely right.

And while you are down there buy me a gallon of French vanilla ice cream and a box of cookies, its raining and I don't want to walk.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 25, 2016 12:12 AM (q2o38)

146 Trump has, in the past, supported single payer health care

yeah, let's talk about that.

I wonder if the pro-Trump people even understand why single-payer is such a monstrously terrible idea and why it should be resisted at every turn

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 12:12 AM (uZNvH)

147 Oh, goody. We're gonna fight the Trump War again.

Have fun with that, fuckers. I'm out.

Posted by: DC in River City at January 25, 2016 12:12 AM (e+1S5)

148 Chi what is up?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 12:12 AM (uZNvH)

149
Reina A. E. Gattuso is originally from New Jersey. A writer and relentless idealist, Reina has spent the past four years studying Comparative Literature and Studies of Women, Gender, and Sexuality; co-founding a feminist magazine, Manifesta; reading poetry at The Harvard Advocate; and writing for The Crimson, where she co-founded an inclusivity and diversity working group. Reina is looking forward to outing herself to her grandmother on Class Day

She is looking forward to spending next year on a Fulbright-Nehru Student fellowship in Delhi, India.

Where she will die of either cholera or an inclusive terrorist attack.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 12:13 AM (kdS6q)

150 "
Well, I need some advice..."

*puts on Ask Lauren hat*

Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2016 12:13 AM (Z/8dZ)

151 If Trump becomes POTUS and does a 180 on securing the border, his ratings will drop like a rock and he will have no chance at re-election. Even if he doesn't want to run again, his legacy will be shot and his name will be mud. I think he will do everything he can to follow through on that. His ego couldn't take having approval ratings of 25-30%. 50%, yes, but not 25%. I am more worried about the judges, which is why I hope and think Jeff Sessions will be in his ear about it.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 25, 2016 12:02 AM (COpZ4)

Oh, I would fully expect if Trump is elected he'll be really bad at the job, one way or another.

Not worse that Gope, and of course not worse than Hillory, but still, bad. The good thing is though, a bad Trump Presidency will not involve 4 years of enduring bad Gope or bad Dem nonsense, so that makes it good.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2016 12:13 AM (Dj0WE)

152 AND THE ROMANOVS WERE DECADENT!!!!

Posted by: Kindltot at January 25, 2016 12:13 AM (q2o38)

153 We need more Chelsea.
Or Yoko. For our sins.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 25, 2016 12:13 AM (DLIIY)

154 125
So, this is a Trump thread again. Whoopie! The shit will sort itself out. Always does. We need more Chelsea.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 25, 2016 12:05 AM (ucDmr)

It does get kinda aggravating that I can't go into a thread without Trump bashing in it. He's not my ideal candidate by a long shot, but since I don't have a Clone-o-Matic to make another Reagan with, he's what we got. It gets annoying to see everyone running down one of the two people who might be able to put points on the board for our side because they favor the other one, and even more annoying to keep getting sucked into these circular arguments that never go anywhere.

Can we seriously just stop with this?

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 25, 2016 12:13 AM (HalrA)

155 Where she will die of either cholera or an inclusive terrorist attack.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 12:13 AM (kdS6q)

You're such an optimist.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:14 AM (oKE6c)

156 Well, I need some advice...

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 12:10 AM (I7I0v)
--------Totally cool Chi. I get that it may be a decision that is not in your best interest, but go ahead and run with it man. I mean, what's the worst that can happen, amiright?

Posted by: Old Blue at January 25, 2016 12:14 AM (9iR5/)

157 Or Yoko. For our sins.

*thwack*

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 12:14 AM (uZNvH)

158 For example, American Samoans are American Nationals, but not Citizens.
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In contrast with the unincorporated territories of Guam and the Virgins.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 12:14 AM (NUqwG)

159 Who here thinks there is a real threat of Trump pushing the US toward single payer health care?

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 12:14 AM (MQEz6)

160 This Manchurian cannuckdate attack is laughable and pathetic.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 25, 2016 12:15 AM (VdICR)

161 co-founding a feminist magazine, Manifesta;

She missed the big "Man" in the front while she was busy worrying about the "o" at the end.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 25, 2016 12:15 AM (zc3Db)

162 Reina A. E. Gattuso is originally from New Jersey. A
writer and relentless idealist, Reina has spent the past four years
studying Comparative Literature and Studies of Women, Gender, and
Sexuality; co-founding a feminist magazine, Manifesta; reading poetry at
The Harvard Advocate; and writing for The Crimson, where she co-founded
an inclusivity and diversity working group. Reina is looking forward to
outing herself to her grandmother on Class Day

How'd the guys let this one get away?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:15 AM (oKE6c)

163
You know, if everyone burns out on Trump-stuff overnight, you won't have any energy for the morning threads.

And I like my prey with some fight left in them.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 12:15 AM (kdS6q)

164 153: Best duet ever!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 25, 2016 12:15 AM (ucDmr)

165 But as if sovereign territory by law. At any rate more incorporated than Canada.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 12:11 AM (NUqwG)

Not incorporated. This is why being born in American Samoa doesn't result, per se, in American citizenship.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 25, 2016 12:15 AM (vBeA5)

166 You know, if everyone burns out on Trump-stuff overnight, you won't have any energy for the morning threads.
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There is no burn out! Check the comment totals at NRO on their anti-Trump pieces. They are setting comment records. It's now trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 12:17 AM (NUqwG)

167 Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 25, 2016 12:13 AM (HalrA)

Just as aggravating to read the Trump supporters ignore every factual criticism of Trump as bashing. By the Trump bashed Reagan in his book.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 12:17 AM (MNgU2)

168 Fwiw I think Michelle Malkin dumped on Trump first.
He just returned fire like he always does. That was a while ago though, wasn't it?

Posted by: @votermom at January 25, 2016 12:17 AM (cbfNE)

169 It gets annoying to see everyone running down one of the two people who might be able to put points on the board for our side

a lot of us don't think he IS going to "put points on the board for our side"

a lot of us think Trump is nothing more than Hillary-lite *at best*

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 12:17 AM (uZNvH)

170 yeah, let's talk about that.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 12:12 AM (uZNvH)

No.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2016 12:17 AM (Dj0WE)

171 *thwack*
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Forgive him, Maet, for he knows not what he does.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 25, 2016 12:18 AM (DLIIY)

172 Not incorporated. This is why being born in American Samoa doesn't result, per se, in American citizenship.
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 25, 2016 12:15 AM (vBeA5)
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But those on Guam and the Virgin Islands do get citizenship. Samoa is uniquely unique.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 12:18 AM (NUqwG)

173 This race appears to be over early.

Trump or Cruz.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 12:18 AM (MQEz6)

174 Thanks, Maetenloch - that dryer on the trampoline was great.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 25, 2016 12:18 AM (RcpcZ)

175 159
Who here thinks there is a real threat of Trump pushing the US toward single payer health care?

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 12:14 AM (MQEz6)

as a price for building his wall? why wouldn't he?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 12:18 AM (uZNvH)

176 Speedster, from the food thread. I bought the ANOVA culinary sous vide circulator. Works great

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at January 25, 2016 12:19 AM (dULJN)

177 "I think Michelle Malkin dumped on Trump firs"

I'm still pissed at her for going all in against Rick Perry in '12.

Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2016 12:19 AM (Z/8dZ)

178 154: Thanks man. It does get really stupid. There is no Reagan. If you're looking for a perfect candidate, you're in the wrong system. Never fucking happen.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 25, 2016 12:19 AM (ucDmr)

179 Who here thinks there is a real threat of Trump pushing the US toward single payer health care?

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 12:14 AM (MQEz6)

Forget it. He's rolling.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 25, 2016 12:19 AM (zc3Db)

180 Reina A. E. Gattuso is originally from New Jersey. From that unpropitious start, she became A
wannabe writer and retarded relentless idealist, Reina has spent the past four years
studying Comparative Literature and Studies of Women, Gender, and
Sexuality female genitalia; co-founding an unreadable feminist magazine, Manifesta [shouldn't that read "Personifesta?"]; reading poetry at
The Harvard Advocate; and writing for The Crimson, where she co-founded
an inclusivity and diversity working group. Reina is looking forward to
outing herself to her grandmother on Class Day, although to her disappointment she will probably find that her grandmother knew all along she was a carpet muncher.

She is now looking forward to spending next year on a Fulbright-Nehru Student fellowship in Delhi, India. How she feels about it when she's there, experience explosive diarrhea, or worse, is another question.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:20 AM (oKE6c)

181 I've about given up on arguing with the Trumpettes. They're convinced that The Donald will Make America Great Again� despite the evidence that this guy is a meglomaniac blowhard.

It also pains me that many of Trump's supporters are ignorantly trashing NR, which has sustained me for decades in the face of both Dem and GOP bullshittery. It's like they just woke up from watching TV sports and WWF and said, "Wow, finally someone feels the way I do!"

The entire breadth of conservative thought is a mystery to them because they don't read anything except "People" and USA Today."

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 12:20 AM (laMCB)

182 That would be the current system of Mexican illegals on Obamacare wouldn't it?

Posted by: andycanuck at January 25, 2016 12:21 AM (DLIIY)

183 Also, the concept of native born = born on US soil predates Cruz or even Obama . I know that even as a kid I always thought that's how it worked - it may be a misconception but it is a widespread one.

Posted by: @votermom at January 25, 2016 12:21 AM (cbfNE)

184 Who here thinks there is a real threat of Trump pushing the US toward single payer health care?

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 12:14 AM (MQEz6)

Push it? No, I don't suppose he will, but with the way this has been mishandled by Gope, he won't be able to stop it if he wanted to do so.

We're getting single payer no matter what happens politically at this point.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2016 12:21 AM (Dj0WE)

185
Reina A. E. Gattuso

"The autumn I was 19, I was planning my work-life balance as a politicians wife only to break up with this future leader while arguing with him over bell hooks in a Chinese restaurant. The spring I was 20, I was Googling real estate prices in San Diego, then ducking out of parties to fight with this long-distance girlfriend over the phone."

Oh, you're an utter bitch. Tres suprise.

"Because when I think about love, I think about the kind of joyful welcome my parents taught me: big and generous, complex and kind. Not of loves in small boxes, straight, uncooked and orderly, but of the spaghetti trailing off our forks on this sticky summer evening, tangled and nourishing."

Professional writer folks. The Washington Post actually paid her for that.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 12:21 AM (kdS6q)

186 148 Chi what is up?
Posted by: chemjeff
------------------
You ever had experience renting a room in your house to someone?

I was asked today to rent a room. To a known druggie, but he's supposedly clean now. (Ha!)

I need the money, but not the drama.
And I don't mean I could use that extra money, I mean I NEED that $150 per week. It doesn't help the I'm as soft as homemade bread when it omes to helping strays...
Dude was on the way to a local shelter when he asked a couple hours ago.

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 12:21 AM (I7I0v)

187 Trump is for Trump
The leavings from Trump's table will be more than we've ever had. It will be huge.

Posted by: Cottonwood Kulak at January 25, 2016 12:21 AM (EWRow)

188 It's not that he responded to Malkin, it's that he reponds like a second grader.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 12:21 AM (MNgU2)

189 or example, American Samoans (unincorporated UNORGANIZED) are American Nationals, but not Citizens.

------

In contrast with the unincorporated ORGANIZED territories of Guam and the Virgins.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 12:14 AM (NUqwG)

And there are only two kinds of citizens... if by citizen you mean a national who can vote.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 25, 2016 12:22 AM (T78UI)

190 178 154: Thanks man. It does get really stupid. There is no Reagan. If you're looking for a perfect candidate, you're in the wrong system. Never fucking happen.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 25, 2016 12:19 AM (ucDmr)

Newsflash: Reagan wasn't Reagan, i.e., a perfect candidate, either. In the same vein, Babe Ruth set strike out records as well as home run records.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:22 AM (oKE6c)

191 Jeeeeesh, Maet. Content in spades. Bravo!

The washing machine was Tom Brady in the pocket today, in sunny downtown Denver, Sports Authority Field.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at January 25, 2016 12:22 AM (U6f54)

192 Trump or Cruz.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 12:18 AM (MQEz6)

That's pretty much what it boils down to, and they both have issues that make it to where I can't trust either of them completely. I'd gladly vote for either as an Anti-Hillary or Anti-Bern, but I'm honestly not going to expect everything to be rainbows and unicorn farts afterwards.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 25, 2016 12:23 AM (HalrA)

193 It also pains me that many of Trump's supporters are ignorantly trashing NR,
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 12:20 AM (laMCB)

Comedy gold, right there.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2016 12:23 AM (Dj0WE)

194 hmm Chi sounds sketchy
getting this guy help doesn't mean you have to let him in to your house.
if you are a "softie" then you should be firm now and say no, otherwise it will be much harder later on when he relapses and starts inviting his druggie friends over and your place turns into an opium den.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 12:24 AM (uZNvH)

195 The spring I was 20, I was Googling real estate prices in San Diego,
then ducking out of parties to fight with this long-distance girlfriend
over the phone."

San Diego? NO! Stay the fuck out of San Diego! We've got enough perverts and other liberals moving here now!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:24 AM (oKE6c)

196 You ever had experience renting a room in your house to someone?

I was asked today to rent a room. To a known druggie, but he's supposedly clean now. (Ha!)

I need the money, but not the drama.

And I don't mean I could use that extra money, I mean I NEED that
$150 per week. It doesn't help the I'm as soft as homemade bread when it
omes to helping strays...

Dude was on the way to a local shelter when he asked a couple hours ago.

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 12:21 AM

We have things in common. What do want to know?

Posted by: otho at January 25, 2016 12:24 AM (EWg9n)

197 It also pains me that many of Trump's supporters are ignorantly trashing NR,

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 12:20 AM (laMCB)

I was trashing National Review long before Trump came along.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 25, 2016 12:25 AM (zc3Db)

198 But those on Guam and the Virgin Islands do get citizenship. Samoa is uniquely unique.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 12:18 AM (NUqwG)

Guam, N. Marianas, Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico were added by statute.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 25, 2016 12:25 AM (vBeA5)

199 Professional writer folks. The Washington Post actually paid her for that.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 12:21 AM (kdS6q)

Maybe they paid her to stop.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:25 AM (oKE6c)

200 190: Exactly. Reagan wussed out when push came to shove too. He just knew how to sell it.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 25, 2016 12:25 AM (ucDmr)

201 The pro Trump and anti Trump forces are in an eternal struggle like that Lazarus guy in The Alternative Factor episode of Star Trek.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 25, 2016 12:25 AM (FkBIv)

202 188 It's not that he responded to Malkin, it's that he reponds like a second grader.

--

Yup, thin skinned obnoxious dirty street fighter.

Which still makes him miles better than the craven cringing cowardly lying scum that is the GOP

Posted by: @votermom at January 25, 2016 12:26 AM (cbfNE)

203 Thank you for the Elvis video! That is my all-time favorite song, and I love that someone else enjoys it that much, too

Posted by: Alli at January 25, 2016 12:26 AM (NxMlR)

204 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 25, 2016 12:25 AM (zc3Db)

Dude, NR was for Goldwater when the GOPe was all in for Rockefeller. For Reagan when they loved Ford.

Think about that.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 12:26 AM (laMCB)

205 "Dude was on the way to a local shelter when he asked a couple hours ago."

Don't rent to him. If you need the money, he will not be a reliable tenant.

Instead, put an add in the local college's housing classifieds and try to get hooked up with a grad student.

My mom did that when I moved out and found a very sweet social work student who lived with her for a few years while getting her masters. Best roommate you could ask for.

Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2016 12:26 AM (Z/8dZ)

206
Reina Gattuso '15, a joint Comparative Literature and WGS concentrator has received a Fullbright fellowship for the 2015-16 academic year. The grant will take her to Lucknow and Delhi, India where she will expand on her thesis research in a new project called "The Politics and Erotics of Female Friendship in Urdu Literature and Contemporary Hindi Film.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 12:27 AM (kdS6q)

207 Who can trust either one of them? A fool.

But you may know them by their fruits.
And their fruits are Donald Trump democrat corporatist and Ted Cruz constitutional conservative.

Posted by: Cottonwood Kulak at January 25, 2016 12:27 AM (EWRow)

208 what did Trump attack Reagan for? Reagan did get deficit spending rolling, which was terrible. He felt bad about the debt he left.

And Reagan gave that amnesty and never got border control, setting in motion decades of illegals expecting amnesty, and more open borders.

Reagan was awesome, not perfect. He believed in America first, which is the part Trump wants to bring back, not the globalist crap. Reagan saved Harley Davidson with massive temporary tariff on "rice burners".

Posted by: Illiniwek at January 25, 2016 12:27 AM (5Gpe2)

209 Chi....Noooooooooo

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at January 25, 2016 12:27 AM (dULJN)

210 Chi depending on your state law if you let a person live in your house you may be unable to legally evict him later even if he does not pay.
Consult a lawyer first.

Posted by: @votermom at January 25, 2016 12:28 AM (cbfNE)

211 We need more Chelsea.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 25, 2016 12:05 AM (ucDmr)

-------------------------------
She's an elephantine combo of her parents' worst traits. She's jonesing to get into the White House and boss everyone around. She pities that sucker Huma who lost the role of Mrs. Hizzoner. She'll be angry as hell if the voters blow this thing for her mom because without her mom in the White House, no one will listen to her or give her money. Further, she'll have to run against Kristen Gillibrand in 2018, years before she wanted to start her elective political career and against waves of hate from New Yorkers PO'd that they were so badly taken in by her mom and dad. She hates the Obamas and hopes their daughters flop.

Posted by: iforgot at January 25, 2016 12:28 AM (YOxw1)

212 Posted by: @votermom at January 25, 2016 12:26 AM (cbfNE)

Cruz is a dirty obnoxious streetfighter to the GOPe. Without The Donald's Hillary-love and eminent domain hugging.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 12:29 AM (laMCB)

213 Sure, Mrs. Cruz works for Goldman Sachs...

But at least she doesn't work for...

* cue sinister theme *

the Koch Brothers!

Posted by: mindful webworker - back by poplar demand at January 25, 2016 12:29 AM (ECUyd)

214 Dude, NR was for Goldwater when the GOPe was all in for Rockefeller. For Reagan when they loved Ford.

Think about that.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 12:26 AM (laMCB)

The NR has been shit for at least the last ten years.

I was never particularly interested in Buckley, either.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 25, 2016 12:29 AM (zc3Db)

215 183 Also, the concept of native born = born on US soil predates Cruz or even Obama . I know that even as a kid I always thought that's how it worked - it may be a misconception but it is a widespread one.
Posted by: @votermom at January 25, 2016 12:21 AM (cbfNE)

Think. What would be the implications of such a policy? It would mean, inter alia, that the child of an American parent would not be a native born citizen if he were born overseas. So the child of American servicemen serving the US government overseas would not, as of right, be an American? He'd have to undergo naturalization? Wahnsinn.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:29 AM (oKE6c)

216 Dude, NR was for Goldwater when the GOPe was all in for Rockefeller. For Reagan when they loved Ford.

Think about that.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 12:26 AM (laMCB)

There's nothing to think about. All those people are dead. The magazine you are talking about doesn't exist anymore.

You can pretend it does, but that's pure fantasy.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2016 12:29 AM (Dj0WE)

217 c'mon you are just rationalizing.

it is okay to say "no, it's wrong to mock and insult everyone who disagrees with you"

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 12:08 AM (uZNvH)

I didn't say I liked it, but it's politics and people want to win. It has worked wonders for the Left for 50 years. They call us terrorists and murderers and racists and everything else, and yet they have moved this country to the Left in a big way and have won countless legislative battles. They sure haven't paid a political price for name calling.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 25, 2016 12:29 AM (COpZ4)

218 The pro Trump and anti Trump forces are in an eternal struggle like that Lazarus guy in The Alternative Factor episode of Star Trek.
Please don't lock us in the small spaceship/time travel thing, Maet! Please, nooooooo!!!

Oh, crap!!!! Did I just feel time "wink"???!!!

Posted by: andycanuck at January 25, 2016 12:30 AM (DLIIY)

219 Goddamn Fox. They screwed up the X-Files premier for those of us who DVR'ed it. NFL ran way long, even past their programmed post game show, and halfway into the X-files premier time slot. They currently have no re- play of it scheduled. Epic Fail. Geez.

Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at January 25, 2016 12:30 AM (v2IgB)

220 The never ending circle jerk. Fun banter peeps. I have not decided to support anyone yet. Sleep well morons. I'm out. Go Bernie!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 25, 2016 12:31 AM (ucDmr)

221 You ever had experience renting a room in your house to someone?

I was asked today to rent a room. To a known druggie, but he's supposedly clean now. (Ha!)

I need the money, but not the drama.

And I don't mean I could use that extra money, I mean I NEED that
$150 per week. It doesn't help the I'm as soft as homemade bread when it
omes to helping strays...

Dude was on the way to a local shelter when he asked a couple hours ago.

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 12:21 AM (I7I0v)

Chi... been there, done that... had the missing and destroyed property to show for it. I understand the instinct as I too collect strays but my advice based on experience is no don't do it to like the ten thousandth power.
If you take a stray dog in, you get gratitude and a faithful friend. If you take a stray human in, 9 times out of 10, you get a resentful extra dependent who will get over on you every way they can.
Does that sound cynical?

Posted by: redbanzai at January 25, 2016 12:31 AM (NPofj)

222 Well, I need some advice...

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 12:10 AM (I7I0v)

Go for it. I'm sure she's not a minor.

Posted by: Blano at January 25, 2016 12:31 AM (sdPF/)

223 They call us terrorists and murderers and racists
and everything else, and yet they have moved this country to the Left in
a big way and have won countless legislative battles. They sure haven't
paid a political price for name calling.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 25, 2016 12:29 AM (COpZ4)

Politics has always been a damn dirty game in this country. Whoever thought up the idea that we could win by trying to out niceguy the other side must have been on the wacky tabacky.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 25, 2016 12:32 AM (HalrA)

224 205 "Dude was on the way to a local shelter when he asked a couple hours ago."
Don't rent to him. If you need the money, he will not be a reliable tenant.

On the contrary, he will be an extremely reliable tenant.

You can rely on him to be a shooting pain in the ass, stiff you for the rent, bring unsavory assholes around your home, and perhaps give rise to the odd drug raid on your house.

Avoid him like the plague.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:32 AM (oKE6c)

225
219 Goddamn Fox. They screwed up the X-Files premier for those of us who DVR'ed it. NFL ran way long, even past their programmed post game show, and halfway into the X-files premier time slot. They currently have no re- play of it scheduled. Epic Fail. Geez.
Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at January 25, 2016 12:30 AM (v2IgB)

It will be on demand I'm sure.

Posted by: Buzzion at January 25, 2016 12:32 AM (zt+N6)

226 So the child of American servicemen serving the US government overseas would not, as of right, be an American? He'd have to undergo naturalization?
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Would that be a problem? If only one parent were a citizen? If both were?

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 12:32 AM (NUqwG)

227 Don't rent to him. If you need the money, he will not be a reliable tenant.

Instead, put an add in the local college's housing classifieds and try to get hooked up with a grad student.

My mom did that when I moved out and found a very sweet social work student who lived with her for a few years while getting her masters. Best roommate you could ask for.

Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2016 12:26 AM (Z/8dZ)

Agree, 100%. Addiction is a terrible disease, and it slowly destroys the user, and everyone the user uses.

If this person is going to get clean and stay clean, and I hope he does, he does NOT need anyone to save him from the difficulty of going to a shelter. That's just opening a door that puts him right back into his using.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2016 12:32 AM (Dj0WE)

228

Picture this, if you will...

Yoko and Hillary 69ing...

On YOUR bed!

Only in the Hag Zone...

Posted by: HA HA! at January 25, 2016 12:32 AM (yywar)

229 National Review was William Buckley.
National Review is Jonah Goldberg.

Posted by: Cottonwood Kulak at January 25, 2016 12:33 AM (EWRow)

230 Whoever thought up the idea that we could win by trying to out niceguy the other side must have been on the wacky tabacky.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party

At some point you run out of cheeks to turn.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 25, 2016 12:33 AM (FkBIv)

231 Aw, geez, Chi. I'm sorry to say, but don't do it. Find a room mate who is more responsible. I've done the soft heart thing once or twice in my past and it always came to grief.
An addict will always find a reason to stiff you for the rent. Something will always come up for why they don't have the money (they really are spending it on getting high). Plus the people they may be bringing into your home may be less than savory, and may value your belongings more than you do.
By my own personal experience, I'd say don't do it. Harden your heart this time and say no.

Posted by: Old Blue at January 25, 2016 12:33 AM (9iR5/)

232 well, there's two types of conservative outlets out there now.

there's intellectual ones, and then there's entertainment ones.

the intellectual ones try to persuade you with reason and arguments.

the entertainment ones try to 'persuade' you by manipulating you.

NR tries to be a place that persuades you with reason and arguments. they aren't always right but they very rarely try to outright tug on your heartstrings or gin up your fiery anger in order to get you to agree with them.

they are also quite diverse, so it is funny for me to see people say that they "support the Republican establishment" when that is just some people at NR, not all, and certainly not any sort of official editorial position.

the entertainment conservative outlets - Hannity, Levin, even Fox News nowadays - they sometimes use arguments and reason, but their big schtick is to get you fired up and pissed off in some way, to get you emotionally invested in their position. that is their way of manipulating you. to get you to turn off your reason and to just emote your way to the conclusions that they want you to have.

[of course it is the same story on the left. they have their intellectual leftist outlets (NY Times, NPR) and then they have their entertainment leftist outlets (MSNBC, etc.)]

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 12:33 AM (uZNvH)

233 Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at January 25, 2016 12:30 AM (v2IgB)

The History channel always fucks with the DVR. They seem to get a kick out of starting and stopping their programs on the 1 minute mark, for some reason, and the AI DVR auto-tape program can't seem to figure it out ... and the shitty DVR won't let us record from one time to another, either - just by alleged program blocks.

I hate comcast cable and the Hystericaly Channel and I fart in the general direction of their POS DVR.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 25, 2016 12:33 AM (zc3Db)

234 At some point you run out of cheeks to turn.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 25, 2016 12:33 AM (FkBIv)

When you've got bruises on all four, you can take no more.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 25, 2016 12:33 AM (HalrA)

235 Here's the thing - I wasn't looking for a tenant. I'm almost 50, a lifelong bachelor, and a proven dickhead. I'm weird, and I don't need someone dying in my back bedroom.

But, I feel the need to help the guy. And I really want that money.
He is leaving my next door neighbor's house, because the wife is over having a tenant. Works every day with that same neighbor.
But, neigh or hasn't called me back to give me his take yet...
I guess I'll talk to the wife tomorrow?

I know it sounds bad, but $150 a week is like winning the lottery to some folks.

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 12:34 AM (I7I0v)

236 Jay, depending on year of birth, children if US citizens abroad (ex-pars) did have to go thru a special process to get citizenship transmitted from the American parent. It was the N-400 form I think, back when it was the INS.
Govt employees were different if the child was born in wedlock.
By-blows of soldiers by local sweethearts were not automatic citizens, for example.

Posted by: @votermom at January 25, 2016 12:34 AM (cbfNE)

237 Think. What would be the implications of such a
policy? It would mean, inter alia, that the child of an American parent
would not be a native born citizen if he were born overseas. So the
child of American servicemen serving the US government overseas would
not, as of right, be an American? He'd have to undergo naturalization?
Wahnsinn.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:29 AM (oKE6c)

It's not a 'policy' - they are not 'native'.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 25, 2016 12:34 AM (T78UI)

238 My brother only rents to "straight" university students as well. He's had no problems.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 25, 2016 12:34 AM (DLIIY)

239 Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2016 12:29 AM (Dj0WE)

That's just wrong. I subscribe and read almost all the articles. There is a wide variety of conservative opinion.

A lot of nose-holding in making their endorsements. Buckley said vote for the most conservative candidate who can win.

Yeah, I get that it's a national emergency. But going with Trump is just madness. The guy is no more a constitutionalist than Bloomberg. He is Zero narcissism with actual executive experience, which makes him 10x worse. That his supporters can't see through his scam is a reflection on them, not him.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 12:34 AM (laMCB)

240 If you take a stray dog in, you get gratitude and a
faithful friend. If you take a stray human in, 9 times out of 10, you
get a resentful extra dependent who will get over on you every way they
can.
Does that sound cynical?

Posted by: redbanzai at January 25, 2016 12:31 AM (NPofj)

No. It sounds optimistic, in the 9 out of 10 estimate.
I once read that vets warned against primates as pets, because they are (relatively) intelligent, and tend to be vicious and treacherous.
Humans are primates too. Get a dog instead.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:34 AM (oKE6c)

241 Don't rent down, rent up.
Collect and read some rental agreements.
Get a lawyer to draw up your rental agreement.

Posted by: Cottonwood Kulak at January 25, 2016 12:35 AM (EWRow)

242 226 So the child of American servicemen serving the US government overseas would not, as of right, be an American? He'd have to undergo naturalization?
-------
Would that be a problem? If only one parent were a citizen? If both were?

--

The law is complicated and depends on year of birth and whether the parents were married or not.

Posted by: @votermom at January 25, 2016 12:36 AM (cbfNE)

243
Well, I need some advice...
Posted by: Chi

Introduce him to your parents as your "roommate" so they get to know him as a person, before you let them know he means something more to you.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 12:36 AM (kdS6q)

244 Here's the thing - I wasn't looking for a tenant. I'm almost 50, a lifelong bachelor, and a proven dickhead. I'm weird, and I don't need someone dying in my back bedroom.

But, I feel the need to help the guy. And I really want that money.
He is leaving my next door neighbor's house, because the wife is over having a tenant. Works every day with that same neighbor.
But, neigh or hasn't called me back to give me his take yet...
I guess I'll talk to the wife tomorrow?

I know it sounds bad, but $150 a week is like winning the lottery to some folks.
Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 12:34 AM (I7I0v)

Almost everybody who plays the lottery loses. Your odds are not quite as astronomical, but they are stacked against you.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2016 12:36 AM (Dj0WE)

245 It's not a 'policy' - they are not 'native'.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 25, 2016 12:34 AM (T78UI)
Of course it is a policy, but let's not quibble about terminology. A Navy Seal and his Navy nurse wife have a child in Germany. Would you deny that child as of right American citizenship?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:37 AM (oKE6c)

246 228: At least you wouldn't be able to see their faces with all the jungle hair and all. So there's that.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 25, 2016 12:37 AM (ucDmr)

247
Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 12:34 AM (I7I0v)

don't do it
you'll regret it
it won't be worth the $150

don't do it
don't do it
don't do it
don't do it

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 12:37 AM (uZNvH)

248 There are only two types of citizens, natural born (citizenship by birth) and naturalized. Cruz is obviously not the latter.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 12:38 AM (laMCB)

249 Fuck every single one of the Clintons. They should be relegated to the dustbin of history. Two bit phonies every one of them. Nasty, vile scum. The shit you scrap off your boots when you walk through a barnyard.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 24, 2016 11:52 PM

^This

Arkansas grifters. Remember her firing the travel staff on unfounded reasons, Whitewater files just appearing in the WH on a table after missing forever?

Yeah she's an honest person who should be president. Long consistent history of being a lying opportunist.

Posted by: Farmer at January 25, 2016 12:38 AM (o/90i)

250 Chi, don't do it.

When Mr. "Clean and Sober" is found to be selling dope to cover his bills, the local gendarme would now have cause to grab your place in a civil forfeiture proceeding, since some of the upkeep was paid for with money from drug trafficking.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 25, 2016 12:38 AM (YJmuy)

251 155 Where she will die of either cholera or an inclusive terrorist attack.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 12:13 AM (kdS6q)

You're such an optimist.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:14 AM (oKE6c)

Yeah, it's more likely she will end up in the government, perhaps as the Gender Equity Czar.

Posted by: rickl at January 25, 2016 12:38 AM (sdi6R)

252 That's just wrong. I subscribe and read almost all the articles. There is a wide variety of conservative opinion.

A lot of nose-holding in making their endorsements. Buckley said vote for the most conservative candidate who can win.

Yeah, I get that it's a national emergency. But going with Trump is just madness. The guy is no more a constitutionalist than Bloomberg. He is Zero narcissism with actual executive experience, which makes him 10x worse. That his supporters can't see through his scam is a reflection on them, not him.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 12:34 AM (laMCB)

National Review is for bringing in unlimited mexicans. That's treason.

End of discussion.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2016 12:38 AM (Dj0WE)

253 Trump could shoot someone ... he always goes for the big statement.

so when they said Cruz had stronger support, even though lower numbers, Trump went large:

"Oh yeah, my supporters are so strong, I could shoot someone"

The other thing to consider ... "times are so bad and other candidates so bought, voters don't care what I do or if I insult poor Megyn ... we need a hero, if he's armed and dangerous, all the better"

But it did come off a little like "my voter support is so strong (and stupid), I could shoot someone (and the gullible fools would cheer me for murder)"

Posted by: Illiniwek at January 25, 2016 12:39 AM (5Gpe2)

254 By-blows of soldiers by local sweethearts were not automatic citizens, for example.
Posted by: @votermom at January 25, 2016 12:34 AM (cbfNE)

But presumably that was (at least in the pre-DNA testing era) because paternity was uncertain, and every slut in Europe - certainly when Europe was prostrate - would be claiming her brat was fathered by an American if that would get her here.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:39 AM (oKE6c)

255 >>>But, I feel the need to help the guy. And I really want that money.
<<<

These are two opposing thoughts.
Thought one is charity.
Thought two is income.

Unless you administer a non-profit it will be one or the other

Posted by: Cottonwood Kulak at January 25, 2016 12:40 AM (EWRow)

256 Yes, Chi, that's another point - maybe your "helping out" this guy is enabling his addiction.

Posted by: @votermom at January 25, 2016 12:41 AM (cbfNE)

257 176 Jackhole

WootWoot - I bought that, as well.

And agreed: VERY cool and efficient.

Only real challenge is finding the right size/shape pot to cook in.

Do you also have a vacuum sealer?

Posted by: speedster1 at January 25, 2016 12:41 AM (vUcdz)

258 National Review is for bringing in unlimited mexicans. That's treason.

End of discussion.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2016 12:38 AM (Dj0WE)

Show me a post where the Editors came out in favor of "unlimited mexicans(sic)" and I'll concede the point.

You obviously don't read it.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 12:41 AM (laMCB)

259 So guess who discovered today that the rubber gas line of their snowblower has rotted and split? Go on, guess.

It still worked, but it leaked like crazy.

The 3'+ of snow was also a bit deep for it to handle. It's a damn good snowblower, a Toro, but I would classify it as towards the large side of residential models, not a commercial machine. Works great up to maybe 2' of snow.

So I shoveled the top 18" of snow in a lane, put a 1/4 tank of gas in, and blew off the rest. Then I would let it sit and leak what gas was left in the tank while I shoveled another lane. Then refil the tank and clear that one.

Checked the oil and started it pre storm and everything. Just didn't check the fuel line.

Oh, I also discovered why my garage smelled of gas yesterday. :rolleyes:

Posted by: Weirddave at January 25, 2016 12:41 AM (N8hFs)

260 "Obama, OTOH, in his first book declared that he was born in Kenya."

Not in the book. In the authorial bio in the publisher's catalogue.

Still a massive admission against interest.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2016 12:42 AM (noWW6)

261 Buzzion,

Good idea.

Looking ......

Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at January 25, 2016 12:42 AM (v2IgB)

262 More than 1k acted badly. This happened all over europe.

I still think the solution would be to shoot and kill them. But giving them a pass and no rape lessons is ridiculous. You go and rape someone and at a minimum you would be deported. These SOBs will never be kicked out.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 12:42 AM (iQIUe)

263 The advice that you should vote for the most conservative candidate who can win is bad advice.

Vote for the person you want to win.

Or for a pepperoni pizza.

Don't vote for the RINO over the Commie.

You just slow down the Commies a little bit and never reverse what they have have done.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 12:42 AM (MQEz6)

264 But, I feel the need to help the guy.

Which is it, idealism or the bucks?

You can't help people who aren't ready to help themselves. And you can't know whether they're ready to help themselves until they actually done so, for some time.

Until he's clean, and has been for some time, give him a negatory.

My advice, FWIW, which is what you've paid for it.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:43 AM (oKE6c)

265 A Navy Seal and his Navy nurse wife have a child in Germany.
------
What do you get when you cross a seal with a nurse?

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 12:43 AM (NUqwG)

266 Here's the thing - I wasn't looking for a tenant.
I'm almost 50, a lifelong bachelor, and a proven dickhead. I'm weird,
and I don't need someone dying in my back bedroom.

But, I feel the need to help the guy. And I really want that money.

He is leaving my next door neighbor's house, because the wife is over having a tenant. Works every day with that same neighbor.

But, neigh or hasn't called me back to give me his take yet...

I guess I'll talk to the wife tomorrow?

I know it sounds bad, but $150 a week is like winning the lottery to some folks.

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 12:34 AM (I7I0v)

Chi... that particular lottery will likely not pay out. It is amazing how many excuses people in that situation can come up with as to why they just can't swing the minimal amount they agreed to pay.
Additionally, this ex-drug addict has already burned through the good graces of your neighbors who you should not expect to tell you honestly what kind of guy he is. The neighbor wanting him gone tells me he has been doing thing to inspire that.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 25, 2016 12:43 AM (NPofj)

267
The Jihadist Next Door, a recently aired UK documentary. Again, worth a look:

https://goo.gl/t0CiV1

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 12:43 AM (iQIUe)

268 Arkansas grifters.
------------

To borrow from P.J. O'Rourke,"Sewer trout who swam upstream into American politics."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 25, 2016 12:43 AM (n22zQ)

269 Donald Trump turned me into a newt!

Posted by: Newt Gingrich at January 25, 2016 12:44 AM (0OG8D)

270 Votermom: Exactly. He is a fighter. He may be a son of a bitch, but he's MY son of a bitch

Posted by: CMU VET at January 25, 2016 12:45 AM (ejB0r)

271 Heck, here's just one article all the way from 2008.

http://tinyurl.com/h9vl43w

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 12:45 AM (laMCB)

272 Introduce him to your parents as your "roommate" so they get to know him as a person, before you let them know he means something more to you.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix
--------------------
I don't even know what that means, but I can't stop laughing.

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 12:45 AM (I7I0v)

273 The polls are all over the place, if you've noticed. Yeah, Trump is consistently in the lead, but by how much and how everyone else lines up varies, a lot.

Besides polls tending to be "push," and results being what the folks who paid for the poll want, there's 'nother thang.

'Way back when, Walt "Pogo" Kelly wrote about this.

Whenever newspapers wanted to change up the comic strips, they'd poll their readers, and Pogo would consistently come out on the bottom.

The newspaper would drop Pogo. And that's when the great silent Pogo majority would send up a howl and get Pogo re-instated.

It's who answers polls as well as everything else.

The vote is the only poll that will matter.

Oh, um, if democracy were allowed to work. But alas...

Posted by: mindful webworker - poll positioning at January 25, 2016 12:45 AM (ECUyd)

274 Checked the oil and started it pre storm and everything. Just didn't check the fuel line.
---------------

Another victim of the demon alcohol.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 25, 2016 12:46 AM (n22zQ)

275 Chi and here's something else to consider -

with asset forfeiture laws being the way they are, if your druggie roommate is raided by the cops, YOUR property might be forfeitted along with his

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 12:46 AM (uZNvH)

276 Here's the thing - I wasn't looking for a tenant.
I'm almost 50, a lifelong bachelor, and a proven dickhead. I'm weird,
and I don't need someone dying in my back bedroom.

But, I feel the need to help the guy. And I really want that money.

He is leaving my next door neighbor's house, because the wife is over having a tenant. Works every day with that same neighbor.

But, neigh or hasn't called me back to give me his take yet...

I guess I'll talk to the wife tomorrow?

I know it sounds bad, but $150 a week is like winning the lottery to some folks.

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 12:34 AM

What stuff is he on? You need to get an assessment on his character from your neighbour. How's his income? Do you know the guy? I have experience with this shit.

How bad do you need a tenant? I mean, unless you need to do it, to keep a roof over your head, don't do it. Unless you're talking about a good friend, or people you're sure you can get along with and trust. Gut feeling stuff, coz you don't much much time to suss this shit out. Even with trustworthy people, there is no guarantee that you'll get along with them, after the initial novelty wears off.

There are websites that deal with this stuff if you need. If you have any q's... lemme know.

Posted by: otho at January 25, 2016 12:46 AM (EWg9n)

277 At any rate, both Obama and Cruz have American moms who live many years in the USA, so by law they were automatically US citizens at birth.That that means they are natural born seems logical, but there is an old widespread idea that natural born meant born on US soil. It's probably a misconception, but it was a common one.

Posted by: @votermom at January 25, 2016 12:47 AM (cbfNE)

278 Navy seal and his wife, she's an Afghan, a translator, have a kid born at Baghgram. Junior's a U.S. citizen.

Jack Reacher's dad married a French woman, they have a kid, Jack, he's born in Paris. Jack's a U.S. citizen.

You had better believe it.

But Trump will call him a Junior muslim and not let him in. And he'll call Reacher a frog.

Trump's an asshole. But the bigger assholes are his fans, who believe this shit.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at January 25, 2016 12:49 AM (U6f54)

279 Navy nurse wife have a child in Germany. Would you deny that child as of right American citizenship?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:37 AM (oKE6c)

Congress, under the power to create law for naturalization, has provided for such situations since about day one. Since it is usually done shortly after birth (CRBA, etc) the full blown naturalization process is waived because it is kind of hard to get a 1 month old to take a citizenship exam and take the oath. When the kids are older the more lengthy process kicks in. If they wait until the kid is 18+ it becomes more onerous (but still pretty much automatic, just more red tape).
BTW - BEEN THERE, Done That. Overseas, government service, kid.
Had the CRBA done (basically just a US BC), going onto step two when the paperwork was returned and Stated Dept said law just changed so I can just get a passport for the kid without the intermediate step.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 25, 2016 12:49 AM (T78UI)

280 Well, I need some advice...
Posted by: Chi

Introduce him to your parents as your "roommate" so they get to know him as a person, before you let them know he means something more to you.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 12:36 AM

LMAO here. I've missed some of this conversation but I think I've got enuff to bring me to tears right now. *posting a crying emoticon cause I'm clueless on them*

Posted by: Farmer at January 25, 2016 12:49 AM (o/90i)

281 Broncos are in the Super Bowl.

The Royal Rumble was awesome. AJ Styles debut was fire. Kevin Steen and El Generico went at it in a WWE ring.

Tonight was a good night

Posted by: the real ch3 at January 25, 2016 12:49 AM (Q/9cH)

282 If $150 is that meaningful to you you certainly don't need a junkie in your house.

Are all your valuables locked in a safe?
Do you leave out you billfold or sleep with it under your pillow?
Will your wife be at home alone he is there and you are at work?

Rent up not down.

Posted by: Cottonwood Kulak at January 25, 2016 12:49 AM (EWRow)

283 Weirddave,
Ethanol in the gasoline is what ate that fuel line. Just ask Jinx.

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 12:50 AM (I7I0v)

284 260 "Obama, OTOH, in his first book declared that he was born in Kenya."
Not in the book. In the authorial bio in the publisher's catalogue.
Still a massive admission against interest.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2016 12:42 AM (noWW6)

Yep, exactly.

First, publishers do not write your bio; they ask you to do that. They do so because 1) it saves them the work, 2) they avoid offending you by including something you don't like ("X is a flaming faggot"), and 3) they insulate themselves from any material misrepresentations in that bio ("Hey, we didn't write that; he did.")

Second, is there an author on the face of the earth who does not/has not read his bio blurb on his book in galleys? Not catching a problem with your bio would be like not noticing that they'd mispelt your name.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:50 AM (oKE6c)

285 It just frosts me that the conservative media have been doing the spadework for years and years, but some egotistical billionaire spouts rainbows and unicorns out of his ass, and all the disaffected suddenly wake up from Judge Judy like this is a huge news flash.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 12:50 AM (laMCB)

286 At any rate, both Obama and Cruz have American moms who live many years in the USA, so by law they were automatically US citizens at birth.That that means they are natural born seems logical, but there is an old widespread idea that natural born meant born on US soil. It's probably a misconception, but it was a common one.

Posted by: @votermom at January 25, 2016 12:47 AM (cbfNE)

The law at the time required the mother to have lived in the U.S. for five years after her 14th birthday. Cruz's mother did. Obama's mother was under 19 at the time of his birth and thus could not meet that requirement.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 25, 2016 12:51 AM (vBeA5)

287 Posted by: The Political Hat at January 25, 2016 12:51 AM (vBeA5

Aha!

I said the law was complicated. Thanks!

Posted by: @votermom at January 25, 2016 12:53 AM (cbfNE)

288
285 It just frosts me that the conservative media have been doing the spadework for years and years, but some egotistical billionaire spouts rainbows and unicorns out of his ass, and all the disaffected suddenly wake up from Judge Judy like this is a huge news flash.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 12:50 AM (laMCB)

The conservative media are not what they pretend to be.

They like things just the way they are.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 12:54 AM (MQEz6)

289 Chi, short answer: if you have a bad feeling about it (sphincter puckering), don't do it. Never mind the money.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:55 AM (oKE6c)

290 Maybe Ayers wrote Obama's bio.
LOL

Posted by: @votermom at January 25, 2016 12:55 AM (cbfNE)

291 And did you ever notice that the character singing "New York, New York" isn't actually in New York? "These little town blues are bringing me down" and "I'm leaving today."

It's all big-city fantasizing by some hick. Just wait 'til he gets there. Mugged in the subway the first night. Living on the streets by the 2nd week. Make it there? Sure, bud, sure.

Posted by: mindful webworker - in Smallville at January 25, 2016 12:56 AM (ECUyd)

292 It just frosts me that the conservative media have been doing the spadework for years and years,

And to show for it we have ...

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:56 AM (oKE6c)

293
289 Chi, short answer: if you have a bad feeling about it (sphincter puckering), don't do it. Never mind the money.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:55 AM (oKE6c)

Yup. Listen to that little voice in your head that is saying no.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 12:56 AM (MQEz6)

294 The Founding Fathers knew what the term "natural born citizen" meant--it is a term of legal art in English common law. It means one thing and one thing only--born to two citizens in the actual country. They decided that the POTUS must be a natural born citizen, one whose citizenship could never be disputed, one who is beholding to no other country, one who is tied to this country for life. Other people can be granted citizenship by Congress and could hold every other office (except VP, because they have to be eligible to be President.) Thems the breaks.

Posted by: Darrell at January 25, 2016 12:58 AM (k2PBj)

295 "Oh yeah, my supporters are so strong, I could shoot someone"

Figure of speech. Doesn't bother me. Besides, is the person he shot a bad guy?

Posted by: rrpjr at January 25, 2016 12:58 AM (s/yC1)

296 292: ... thousands of position papers. And credentials. And salaries.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at January 25, 2016 12:58 AM (dvuhZ)

297 Dammit.

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 12:59 AM (I7I0v)

298 AOP, LOL. :-)

Okay I'm back. Desperate to do something different with my ramen so, besides having some onions and bell peppers to throw in, I made myself a faux-Asian sauce by throwing together some chipotle sauce, soy sauce, minced garlic, spicy salt, paprika, curry, thyme and parsley.

Hope it's good. I should probably also skip the ramen flavor packet...

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 12:59 AM (ntObR)

299 Comment. That is all. Just cuz I want to see a couple of commentors lose their shit cuz I commented.

Posted by: Tim in GA at January 25, 2016 12:59 AM (YLidQ)

300 WeirdDave, funny story about rotted fuel lines. Back when I was driving over the road, the company I was driving for had their yard in a rather sketchy neighborhood so I had an old beater that I left there so I could drive home.
I came in after about a month out, went out to start said beater and it wouldn't start. Started troubleshooting and it turned out I wasn't getting any gas. Started tracing the fuel line and come to find out that a six inch piece of rubber hose between the fuel tank and gas line was sucking air like a broadway hooker. Went to the shop and grabbed a piece of rubber hose to replace it, crawled back underneath the car, hooked it up to the fuel tank and decided that I needed to "prime" it with fuel so I gave it a little suck. Bad idea. Gas started gushing out the hose. I turned my head to keep it out of my eyes, but I got gas in my ear. After banging my head alternately on the frame and the ground for about forty times I decided I had better get to the emergency room because my ear hurt like hell. The Doc took one look in my ear and declared that it was the cleanest ear he had ever seen and that I would be all right, the membranes were just really irritated.

The moral of the story? Don't clean your ears with gasoline. It makes you bounce your head off the ground and the frame about forty times.

Posted by: Old Blue at January 25, 2016 01:00 AM (9iR5/)

301 It's all big-city fantasizing by some hick. Just wait 'til he gets
there. Mugged in the subway the first night. Living on the streets by
the 2nd week. Make it there? Sure, bud, sure.

If I can get stabbed there
I can get stabbed anywhere
In old New York!

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 25, 2016 01:00 AM (YJmuy)

302 And to show for it we have ...
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:56 AM (oKE6c)
------
Paul Ryan & the McConnellettes?

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 01:00 AM (NUqwG)

303 293
289 Chi, short answer: if you have a bad feeling about it (sphincter puckering), don't do it. Never mind the money.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:55 AM (oKE6c)
Yup. Listen to that little voice in your head that is saying no.
Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 12:56 AM (MQEz6)

I used to intellectualize all decisions (hard to believe of me, I know), but over time I learned not to override the viscera. If I had a bad feeling about something, it almost always turned out badly. Now, if I have that feeling, forget it; there's no way I'm doing it. The sphincter knows things ... ignore the sphincter's analysis at your peril.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 01:00 AM (oKE6c)

304 (re: Chi and the potential roommate)

Whenever there is any doubt, there is no doubt.

That's the first thing they teach you.

Posted by: Robert DeNiro (from Ronin) at January 25, 2016 01:01 AM (H9MG5)

305
302 And to show for it we have ...
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:56 AM (oKE6c)
------
Paul Ryan & the McConnellettes?
Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 01:00 AM (NUqwG)

George Will's amazing bowtie collection?

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 01:03 AM (MQEz6)

306 The conservative media are not what they pretend to be.

They like things just the way they are.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 12:54 AM (MQEz6)

Oh, bullshit. It's not some vast conspiracy; they just have no influence with the broader public, because the public, as Ace says, are bored and confused by politics.

Yeah, Jonah Goldberg's strategy of vilifying Mitch McConnell to keep him in power is brilliant.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 01:03 AM (laMCB)

307 186
148 Chi what is up?

Posted by: chemjeff

------------------

You ever had experience renting a room in your house to someone?

I was asked today to rent a room. To a known druggie, but he's supposedly clean now. (Ha!)

I need the money, but not the drama.

And I don't mean I could use that extra money, I mean I NEED that
$150 per week. It doesn't help the I'm as soft as homemade bread when it
omes to helping strays...

Dude was on the way to a local shelter when he asked a couple hours ago.

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 12:21 AM (I7I0v)

What's the drug? And, realistically, what's the chance of the police showing up at one in the morning?

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 01:03 AM (EzgxV)

308 Other people can be granted citizenship by Congress
and could hold every other office (except VP, because they have to be
eligible to be President.) Thems the breaks.

Posted by: Darrell at January 25, 2016 12:58 AM (k2PBj)

Rogers v Bellei (1971)

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 25, 2016 01:03 AM (T78UI)

309 The Founding Fathers knew what the term "natural
born citizen" meant--it is a term of legal art in English common law. It
means one thing and one thing only--born to two citizens in the actual
country. They decided that the POTUS must be a natural born citizen, one
whose citizenship could never be disputed, one who is beholding to no
other country, one who is tied to this country for life. Other people
can be granted citizenship by Congress and could hold every other office
(except VP, because they have to be eligible to be President.) Thems
the breaks.

Posted by: Darrell at January 25, 2016 12:58 AM (k2PBj)

You are wrong. The first congress did not follow that definition and there have been several presidents and presidential candidates who do not meet your definition (and it is YOUR definition that has nothing to do with US law).

Posted by: redbanzai at January 25, 2016 01:04 AM (NPofj)

310 The Founding Fathers knew what the term "natural born citizen" meant--it is a term of legal art in English common law. It means one thing and one thing only--born to two citizens in the actual country. They decided that the POTUS must be a natural born citizen, one whose citizenship could never be disputed, one who is beholding to no other country, one who is tied to this country for life. Other people can be granted citizenship by Congress and could hold every other office (except VP, because they have to be eligible to be President.) Thems the breaks.

Posted by: Darrell at January 25, 2016 12:58 AM (k2PBj)

Which is why many of those Founding Fathers, like Madison and Washtington, passed legislation during the 1st Congress that contradiced that.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 25, 2016 01:04 AM (vBeA5)

311 Is AOP still here? Sorry it took me a while to get back to him, was chopping up some veggies.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:04 AM (ntObR)

312 I was asked today to rent a room. To a known druggie, but he's supposedly clean now. (Ha!)

Rent it to a stripper who's just stripping to work her way through college.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 01:05 AM (oKE6c)

313 Winston Churchill was born in a foreign country to an American mother. Did that make him a "natural-born US citizen", eligible to run for President?

No, it didn't! Here's how I know this...

After World War II, Winston Churchill was awarded with honorary natural-born US citizen status by a special act of Congress, as a rare honor for such a staunch wartime ally.

Why would they "honor" him by giving him something he already had?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 25, 2016 01:05 AM (0OG8D)

314 Not one single Moron, huh?
I knew this, of course. But I thought if I typed it out, I could justify it...

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 01:05 AM (I7I0v)

315 was chopping up some veggies.

At least now we know you prefer your victims comatose.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 25, 2016 01:06 AM (YJmuy)

316
306 The conservative media are not what they pretend to be.

They like things just the way they are.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 12:54 AM (MQEz6)

Oh, bullshit. It's not some vast conspiracy; they just have no influence with the broader public, because the public, as Ace says, are bored and confused by politics.

Yeah, Jonah Goldberg's strategy of vilifying Mitch McConnell to keep him in power is brilliant.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 01:03 AM (laMCB)

I have watched these guys and gals for decades.

None of them want the system radically changed.

All of them want to yak and yak and get paid.

Open your eyes.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 01:06 AM (MQEz6)

317 And to show for it we have ...

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:56 AM (oKE6c)
well we have this place, for starters.
conservative talk radio, Fox News, lots of Republicans
don't take what we do have for granted.

most other places, "conservatives" are either dictator-worshippers, outright nativists, or barely concealed socialists. that is not what American conservatism is.
yeah it's easy to be cynical, but it's also not fair.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 01:08 AM (uZNvH)

318 314 Not one single Moron, huh?
I knew this, of course. But I thought if I typed it out, I could justify it...
Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 01:05 AM (I7I0v)

Pro tip: if you have to work to justify it, don't.

It's like petting a dog. Petting head to tail works. Petting tail to head doesn't, and takes work. Which way are you petting?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 01:08 AM (oKE6c)

319 Weirddave,
Ethanol in the gasoline is what ate that fuel line. Just ask Jinx.

Ethanol, huh?

Thanks Chi, that makes up my mind on something.

GO CRUZ!

Posted by: Weirddave at January 25, 2016 01:08 AM (N8hFs)

320 US law is based on English common law. Name those other Presidents. There was a rumor about one POTUS a long time ago, but his enemies never got any proof. "Natural born citizen" wouldn't be mentioned if it wasn't important. It is not mentioned for the other offices or positions.

Posted by: Darrell at January 25, 2016 01:08 AM (k2PBj)

321 Show me a post where the Editors came out in favor of "unlimited mexicans(sic)" and I'll concede the point.

You obviously don't read it.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 12:41 AM (laMCB)

They're in favor of it. They're just not telling you. Why would they, you pay them. The illegal mexicans aren't going to read their shitty magazine, much less pay for it.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2016 01:09 AM (Dj0WE)

322 The moral of the story? Don't clean your ears with gasoline. It makes you bounce your head off the ground and the frame about forty times.
Posted by: Old Blue at January 25, 2016 01:00 AM
I was young and a city raised kid trying to farm...
do not ever try to cipher gas w/ your mouth, even if its planting time.

Posted by: Farmer at January 25, 2016 01:09 AM (o/90i)

323 314
Not one single Moron, huh?

I knew this, of course. But I thought if I typed it out, I could justify it...

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 01:05 AM (I7I0v)
--------Chi, all the Moron's know that you have a huge heart. In your heart you really want to help this guy, but your logical mind is throwing up all kinds of red flags. It could be that your heart just needs to hear from others what your mind is telling you what you need to do. I know I didn't say that right, but you know what I mean. You just needed confirmation.

Posted by: Old Blue at January 25, 2016 01:09 AM (9iR5/)

324 Chi, I see two issues.

1) You want to help the guy.

2) You could use the money.

It was suggested to you in a way that conflated the two issues. Now, separate them instead.

If you can help the guy in any other way, do what you can. But renting to him? Too risky.

If you see a way to make money renting, take the good advice above about finding good tenants.

Oh, the experiences I could relate, both in "helping" friends who nearly ruined me, and in 14 years of being an evil landlord in Chicago. My advice, nonetheless, is worth 25% of what you paid for it.

AAAANNND with that, I'm heading for dreamland. Perchance to sleep.

Good night, Gracies!

Posted by: mindful webworker - doing a fast fade at January 25, 2016 01:09 AM (ECUyd)

325 They're in favor of it. They're just not telling you.

if NR isn't telling you, then how do you know NR is in favor of "unlimited mexicans"?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 01:10 AM (uZNvH)

326 Sorry Chi... just think of us as your own personal Jiminy Cricket. Money is good, helping people is even better BUT the legal and fiscal implications of inviting a drug addict into your home are huge and likely would be hugely negative.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 25, 2016 01:10 AM (NPofj)

327 Introduce him to your parents as your "roommate" so they get to know him as a person, before you let them know he means something more to you.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 12:36 AM

If you're not gay, and your parents didn't think you were gay, they will if you do this.

Which is why I'm also giggling like a 10 year old over that one.

Posted by: Blano at January 25, 2016 01:10 AM (NHQQx)

328 Not one single Moron, huh?

I knew this, of course. But I thought if I typed it out, I could justify it...

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 01:05 AM

There are things to consider, beyond whatever drugs are involved, trust, income, reliability and whatnot. Important shit, if you've never done it before. You have to live with these people... in your house, maybe 24/7 sometimes. One can easily forget this when counting on the $$$. If you hit the right people, it can actually be fun. If you don't, you end up in a living hell...

Posted by: otho at January 25, 2016 01:11 AM (EWg9n)

329 do not ever try to cipher gas w/ your mouth, even if its planting time.

Posted by: Farmer at January 25, 2016 01:09 AM (o/90i)
------But Farmer, it seemed like such a good idea at the time. :-(

Posted by: Old Blue at January 25, 2016 01:12 AM (9iR5/)

330 Old Blue, thanks for the laugh.

Glad you didn't try ear candles just then.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 25, 2016 01:13 AM (N8hFs)

331 Chi, if you are still here: "I am not in a position to do that (rent the room) right now". No further explanation needed. It sounds like your neighbor might be avoiding you so he doesn't have to answer questions.

Posted by: Museisluse at January 25, 2016 01:13 AM (nskAg)

332 Not one single moron.

Posted by: Cottonwood Kulak at January 25, 2016 01:13 AM (EWRow)

333 So, um, just how toxic is the smoke from selenium rectifiers if they just happen to overheat and catch on fire?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 25, 2016 01:14 AM (YJmuy)

334 Also, Ted Cruz renounced his Canadian citizenship a couple of years ago. It was something that just happened, apparently, and he'd never wanted it.

Okay. Well, how does citizenship "just happen"? By birth, right? So, you accept the premise that Cruz was born a Canadian citizen, right?

Well. At the time Cruz was born, Canada did not recognize "dual citizenship". They changed that law in 1977, but that was seven years after Cruz's birth. If Cruz had been a US citizen at birth, he could not have also been a Canadian citizen. And he was born a Canadian citizen, and we know this because he later renounced it.

He was born a Canadian citizen. Canada would not have recognized him as a citizen at birth if he was also a US citizen. Therefore, at least as far as Canada was concerned, Ted Cruz was not an American citizen at birth.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 25, 2016 01:14 AM (0OG8D)

335 US law is based on English common law. Name those
other Presidents. There was a rumor about one POTUS a long time ago, but
his enemies never got any proof. "Natural born citizen" wouldn't be
mentioned if it wasn't important. It is not mentioned for the other
offices or positions.

Posted by: Darrell at January 25, 2016 01:08 AM (k2PBj)
Chester A Arthur is the only questionable one.Before the 19th Amendment women and children generally derived their citizenship from the husband / father however arbitrarily the law provided.If not for the 19th Obama would be a Brit, Cruz would be a Canuck (or Cuban).

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 25, 2016 01:14 AM (T78UI)

336 They (the Constitution) did mention a US Ambassador serving abroad as getting a special dispensation for the birth of his child. That exemption is also thought to apply to US military personnel serving their gov't abroad--but the SCOTUS could say differently.

Posted by: Darrell at January 25, 2016 01:15 AM (k2PBj)

337 The conservative media, with rare exceptions, hasn't done shit. The majority of them have now bought in to the Establishment bullshit. Truly conservative media doesn't have any pull with the Establishment anymore.

Posted by: Blano at January 25, 2016 01:16 AM (sdPF/)

338 Blanco,

hooo hooo hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah!!!!!!1!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:16 AM (ntObR)

339 Cruz would be a Canuck (or Cuban)
-------
And the only thing worse than that would be a Cuban-French-Canadian.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 01:16 AM (NUqwG)

340 "do not cipher gas with your mouth"

NOW you tell me. It was the secret ingredient in my ramen sauce tonight.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:17 AM (ntObR)

341 314
Not one single Moron, huh?

I knew this, of course. But I thought if I typed it out, I could justify it...

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 01:05 AM (I7I0v)

Individually, we are Morons; but, as a Horde, we are wise.....

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 01:17 AM (EzgxV)

342 Does NR support Comprehensive Immigration Reform?

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 01:18 AM (MQEz6)

343 I've been reading some on this. The courts have been reluctant to get into the "natural born" meaning. They usually punt on grounds of "standing" and such rather than take on the actual question.

Whether they would or not, I don't know. Some reason the court might well rule that "natural born citizen" is entirely a political issue.

There is a consensus that it means "citizen at birth", but the courts have never officially ruled. There have been court cases that touch on it, and both sides pull them out, but no definitive ruling.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at January 25, 2016 01:18 AM (dvuhZ)

344 On the contrary, he will be an extremely reliable tenant.

You can rely on him to be a shooting pain in the ass, stiff you for the rent, bring unsavory assholes around your home, and perhaps give rise to the odd drug raid on your house.

Avoid him like the plague.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:32 AM (oKE6c)

Agree 100%. No druggies. No alcoholics, no mental cases, schizos, or manic-depressives. Not in your own home, ever.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 01:18 AM (Z8fuk)

345 well we have this place, for starters.
conservative talk radio, Fox News, lots of Republicans
don't take what we do have for granted.

How can I indicate jerkoff motions in text? What do we have to show for it that actually matters? Enacted legislation? Social consensus? Foreign policy?

Hell, we've got fags marrying, Muslims running amok IN THE UNITED STATES, towel head republics laughing at us, a half-breed Marxist shit heel in the White House, more Muslim future terrorists being admitted daily, record national debt, a bazillion semi- or illiterate Hispanic gardeners thundering across the border; and you're talking about talk radio and Fox News?? WTF? What's your idea of losing?

Turn it around: suppose fag marriage were illegal, Muslims were not allowed into the country - at all - without rigorous vetting - towel head republics were shitting their pants at the possibility we were displeased with them, the national debt were plummeting, the southern border was closed tighter than Hillary's thighs, but the liberals had MSNBC and Air America? Who seriously would give a shit?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 01:19 AM (oKE6c)

346
An Australian photographer has created a project called "Still Not Asking For It" that takes a stand against "rape culture" and sexual assault.

Rory Banwell photographed women and men standing exposed with black tape covering their nipples and wearing black underwear. The black and white photographs show powerful messages scrawled on the models' stomachs. The messages include "Fashion is not an invitation," "alcohol is not an excuse" and "never asking for it."

http://tinyurl.com/jup8rua

Other messages include:

"Kilroy Was Here"
"Ferris Lives!"
"I'm With Stupid -->"

Also, making a feminist statement with obvious bad implants seems a tad incongruous.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 01:19 AM (kdS6q)

347 So the child of American servicemen serving the US government overseas
would not, as of right, be an American? He'd have to undergo
naturalization?

---------------------------------

Child would be an American, but not a natural-born American. That child is automatically naturalized by statute.

Posted by: iforgot at January 25, 2016 01:19 AM (YOxw1)

348 Does NR support Comprehensive Immigration Reform?

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 01:18 AM (MQEz6)

Haven't read it years (since they booted Derbyshire, sp?) - would expect that the find the current system as implemented quite acceptable.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 25, 2016 01:20 AM (T78UI)

349 341 314
Not one single Moron, huh?

I knew this, of course. But I thought if I typed it out, I could justify it...

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 01:05 AM (I7I0v)

Individually, we are Morons; but, as a Horde, we are wise.....
Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 01:17 AM (EzgxV)
***
Wisdom of the Crowd, they call it, in economics.

But, yeah, when the ENTIRE FUCKING HORDE is telling you something's a really bad idea, you can take that to the bank. 'Cause if any group has experience with bad decisions, it's us.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at January 25, 2016 01:20 AM (lutOX)

350 Dang it! The language nazi in my head won't let me sleep unless I say...

It's SIPHON, not "cipher"!

But you knew that.

Good night Gracies fer realz.

Posted by: mindful webworker - sig heel at January 25, 2016 01:20 AM (ECUyd)

351 Jeez.
Now I'm feeling like I should've just yelled "FUCK NO!" as loudly as possible and run away instead of even considering it...

Y'all don't even want to hear the story of when I took my brother in years ago. He threatened to slit my throat while I slept...

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 01:21 AM (I7I0v)

352 'Cause if any group has experience with bad decisions, it's us.
---------
Can I haz an Amen! Brothers and Sisters! Say it again! AMEN!

Posted by: Old Blue at January 25, 2016 01:22 AM (9iR5/)

353 333 So, um, just how toxic is the smoke from selenium rectifiers if they just happen to overheat and catch on fire?
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 25, 2016 01:14 AM (YJmuy)

Selenium dioxide will set you free.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 01:22 AM (oKE6c)

354 Does NR support Comprehensive Immigration Reform?

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 01:18 AM (MQEz6)
-------------------------------
I don't know about NR as a whole, but Kevin Williamson expresses contempt for people who are single-issue voters on illegal immigration.

Posted by: iforgot at January 25, 2016 01:22 AM (YOxw1)

355 That gut feeling? That sphincter clench? The new term 'butt tight'?

All the reasons I have for not trusting Cruz.

That leaves me only Trump with the line up we have so far.

That doesn't mean I trust him just that I don't get the gut feeling of something bad happening with him.

The only clench I get with him is when he says something I think will put off other people from voting for him. Not me.

He'd have to repudiate explicitly some stuff he's made a point of saying for me to not vote for him.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 25, 2016 01:23 AM (Xo1Rt)

356 He's an ex drug addict. And he lived in the other hosue with no problems and has a job.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 01:23 AM (iQIUe)

357
348 Does NR support Comprehensive Immigration Reform?

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 01:18 AM (MQEz6)

Haven't read it years (since they booted Derbyshire, sp?) - would expect that the find the current system as implemented quite acceptable.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 25, 2016 01:20 AM (T78UI)

Exactly so.

Which means NR wants unlimited Mexicans.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 01:23 AM (MQEz6)

358 320 US law is based on English common law. Name those other Presidents. There was a rumor about one POTUS a long time ago, but his enemies never got any proof. "Natural born citizen" wouldn't be mentioned if it wasn't important. It is not mentioned for the other offices or positions.

Chester A. Arthur.

And you know what? You may well be technically correct, Hamilton in Federalist 68 bolsters your position.

But the founders never legally codified that "common knowledge" into law, and as far back as 1790 those self same founders were passing actual laws which contravened that position.

"Common knowledge" is not the law.

I can claim that it's "common knowledge" that you intended me to inherit your vast wealth when you die, but absent a legal document saying so, I'll be left sucking wind ( or, I'm Old Blue, gas ).

Sorry man, you lose.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 25, 2016 01:23 AM (N8hFs)

359 Well I don't see any point I reading pay post 345. Jay summed it up perfectly.

Posted by: Blano at January 25, 2016 01:23 AM (uiVGU)

360 Therefore, at least as far as Canada was concerned, Ted Cruz was not an American citizen at birth.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler.

Ah. Relying on Canadian Constitutional Law to determine who can be President of the United States of America. Bold choice.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 25, 2016 01:23 AM (/ciMI)

361 Pay = past.

Posted by: Blano at January 25, 2016 01:24 AM (NHQQx)

362 Oh, I also discovered why my garage smelled of gas yesterday. :rolleyes:

Posted by: Weirddave at January 25, 2016 12:41 AM (N8hFs)

Ethanol "enhanced" gas. What can't it do?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 01:24 AM (Z8fuk)

363 351 Jeez.
Now I'm feeling like I should've just yelled "FUCK NO!" as loudly as possible and run away instead of even considering it...

Y'all don't even want to hear the story of when I took my brother in years ago. He threatened to slit my throat while I slept...
Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 01:21 AM (I7I0v)

Good Lord, man. And here I thought I had familial strife.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 25, 2016 01:24 AM (kpqmD)

364 351 Jeez.
Now I'm feeling like I should've just yelled "FUCK NO!" as loudly as possible and run away instead of even considering it...

Y'all don't even want to hear the story of when I took my brother in years ago. He threatened to slit my throat while I slept...
Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 01:21 AM (I7I0v)
***
Find a cute coed grad student with "daddy issues" and enjoy....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at January 25, 2016 01:24 AM (lutOX)

365 284 260 "Obama, OTOH, in his first book declared that he was born in Kenya."
Not in the book. In the authorial bio in the publisher's catalogue.
Still a massive admission against interest.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2016 12:42 AM (noWW6)

Yep, exactly.

First, publishers do not write your bio; they ask you to do that. They do so because 1) it saves them the work, 2) they avoid offending you by including something you don't like ("X is a flaming faggot"), and 3) they insulate themselves from any material misrepresentations in that bio ("Hey, we didn't write that; he did.")

Second, is there an author on the face of the earth who does not/has not read his bio blurb on his book in galleys? Not catching a problem with your bio would be like not noticing that they'd mispelt your name.

I was just in Kisimusu, Kenya, which claims, FWIW, to be Obama's home town.

Posted by: Northernlurker, muzungo at January 25, 2016 01:25 AM (pMvrf)

366 ... There is a consensus that it means "citizen at
birth", but the courts have never officially ruled. There have been
court cases that touch on it, and both sides pull them out, but no
definitive ruling.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at January 25, 2016 01:18 AM (dvuhZ)

SCOTUS may not have directory addressed the 'natural born citizen' clause, but they have addressed that those born abroad to US Citizens are naturalized at birth (by statute) and can lose their status as US citizens if they do not comply with the statute.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 25, 2016 01:25 AM (T78UI)

367 #347: I'll have to disagree with this. An overseas US military base is considered US soil., so a child born on such a base to American parents is natural-born.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 25, 2016 01:25 AM (0OG8D)

368 Selenium dioxide will set you free.

That's what I thought. Need to get some diodes...

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 25, 2016 01:25 AM (YJmuy)

369 Well, gosh, we should all just give up writing and thinking, then, and just spout slogans and incoherent streams of consciousness like Palin did the other day.

Sheesh. This is why it's apparently pointless to argue with Trumpers.

Good night, all.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 01:26 AM (laMCB)

370 ------But Farmer, it seemed like such a good idea at the time. :-(
Posted by: Old Blue at January 25, 2016 01:12 AM

Yeah, it did, I needed to plant, but in hindsight...

Coughing up gas fumes for a few hours wasn't much fun.

Posted by: Farmer at January 25, 2016 01:26 AM (o/90i)

371 Harvard Law Review article (often quoted since) supporting view that any child of A U.S. citizen is a natural born citizen:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/q4fy2r3

A somewhat different and more comprehensive review from the Constitution Society:

http://www.constitution.org/abus/pres_elig.htm

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 01:26 AM (NUqwG)

372 Truly conservative media doesn't have any pull with the Establishment anymore.

what do you regard as "truly conservative media"?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 01:26 AM (uZNvH)

373 He's an ex drug addict. And he lived in the other hosue with no problems and has a job.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 01:23 AM (iQIUe)

And he's being forced out of the other house, right?

Posted by: Blano at January 25, 2016 01:26 AM (sdPF/)

374 Chi, do you have anything in common with this guy?

Posted by: otho at January 25, 2016 01:26 AM (EWg9n)

375 Not one single moron.

Posted by: Cottonwood Kulak at January 25, 2016 01:13 AM (EWRow)

We're morons but not morons like that.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 25, 2016 01:27 AM (NPofj)

376
354 Does NR support Comprehensive Immigration Reform?

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 01:18 AM (MQEz6)
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I don't know about NR as a whole, but Kevin Williamson expresses contempt for people who are single-issue voters on illegal immigration.
Posted by: iforgot at January 25, 2016 01:22 AM (YOxw1)

That guy is the poster boy for strutting impotence.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 01:27 AM (MQEz6)

377 351
Jeez.

Now I'm feeling like I should've just yelled "FUCK NO!" as loudly as possible and run away instead of even considering it...
--------
No Chi. We're the Horde. You're one of us. Not to get all maudlin or anything, we are concerned about your welfare. That you considered it means that you are a kind and caring soul. You've already stated that you really can use the money which is an upside for you, but you also have to consider the downsides. If the people that he is already living with have asked him to leave, that means that there have been issues, issues that may have been months in the making. We just want you to be careful in this decision. The decision you make is yours, after all, we just want you to be safe and secure.

Posted by: Old Blue at January 25, 2016 01:28 AM (9iR5/)

378 356 He's an ex drug addict. And he lived in the other hosue with no problems and has a job.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 01:23 AM (iQIUe)

I don't think all those assertions have been proven yet.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 25, 2016 01:28 AM (kpqmD)

379
#ISIS vid shows #ParisAttackers (4 Belgian, 3 French, & 2 Iraqi)4 attackers shown beheading & 1 shooting #ISIS prisoners.

http://goo.gl/1fQGFu

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 01:29 AM (iQIUe)

380 #360: If he was a US citizen at birth, Canada would not have given him Canadian citizenship. But, Canada did give him Canadian citizenship at birth.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 25, 2016 01:29 AM (0OG8D)

381 "National Review" is not some same-thinking individual--the writers tend to disagree, sometimes sharply, with each other in all matters. Some, like Mark Krikorian, are disgusted with current immigration; others less so. Some, like Kevin McCarthy, have been banging the drum about the perils of Islam for decades; others, less so.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 25, 2016 01:29 AM (/ciMI)

382 what do you regard as "truly conservative media"?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 01:26 AM (uZNvH)

Off the top of my head Mark Levin and Rush, but I haven't listened to Rush in a long time.

Certainly not Fox News overall.

Posted by: Blano at January 25, 2016 01:30 AM (uiVGU)

383
Warbler, you appear - appear - to misunderstand the unilateral nature of citizenship standards.It's up to each sovereign state to define and administer requirements for citizenship.

So, if one were to successfully gain citizenship in 17 countries, you'd be a citizen of 17 countries. Most countries do not "allow" dual- or muliple-citizenship, but none police or enforce the policy (nor is there a good way to do so). Thus, anybody being born in Canada (one of the very few countries that grants citizenship on birth geography alone - and they do it formally and clearly, not de facto and lawlessly, as most think the US should do - there is only non-binding commentary in a losing SCOTUS decision that argues this, nothing else) is a citizen. Has no bearing on that person's eligibility for "natural born" citizenship anywhere else. None.

Yep, that's incredibly boring and long-winded. But it's a way of avoiding any comment on some of the other comments here. Avoiding invidious - and unanswerable - caustic rebuttals would prove difficult.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 25, 2016 01:30 AM (QDnY+)

384
I'll have to disagree with this. An overseas US military base is considered US soil., so a child born on such a base to American parents is natural-born.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler

Really would rather wait until daylight, but just poppin' in before that gets stuck into anyone's noggin.

Base =/= sovereign territory, unless a treaty specifies otherwise.

Embassies are different, and are usually considered sovereign territory, but see Iran - The Carter Years.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 01:30 AM (kdS6q)

385 [Kevin Williamson]
That guy is the poster boy for strutting impotence.
Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 01:27 AM (MQEz6)
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And the definition of a ConFag

(and that does not refer to sexual preference)

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 01:30 AM (NUqwG)

386 Now I'm feeling like I should've just yelled "FUCK NO!" as loudly as possible and run away instead of even considering it...

As indicated, I used to intellectualize such decisions. ("Well, I don't have any objective evidence against doing this ..." - scientific training isn't always useful).

My solution: when in doubt, defer decision. I don't say "yes," I don't say "no." I don't say anything until my feelings crystallize. I can almost physically feel that happening, and then I know exactly what I must do. I'm never unhappy with those decisions; only with the ones in which I've overridden that process.

It's remarkable that someone who has been characterized more than once as hyper-rational employs such an ... irrational ... protocol for some decision-making, but sad experience taught me to do it.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 01:30 AM (oKE6c)

387 Posted by: Old Blue at January 25, 2016 01:28 AM (9iR5/)

^What he said. There are just so many ways that having a (questionably) former addict for a tenant could go wrong, which have already been listed. We wouldn't want to see any of those happen to you.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 25, 2016 01:31 AM (kpqmD)

388 381
"National Review" is not some same-thinking individual--the writers tend
to disagree, sometimes sharply, with each other in all matters. Some,
like Mark Krikorian, are disgusted with current immigration; others less
so. Some, like Kevin McCarthy, have been banging the drum about the
perils of Islam for decades; others, less so.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at January 25, 2016 01:29 AM (/ciMI)
I know, right?
They are a diverse bunch of conservatives over there, all the way from complete squishes to complete hardliners, on pretty much every issue. Yes I am sure you could find a couple of people associated with NR who is in favor of "comprehensive immigration reform". That doesn't mean the entire magazine is full of RINO shills or that the entire thing is worthless or whathaveyou.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 01:31 AM (uZNvH)

389 NOW you tell me. It was the secret ingredient in my ramen sauce tonight.
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:17 AM

But do you put beans in the chili?

Makes note...takes chili out of the freezer for tomorrow.

Posted by: Farmer at January 25, 2016 01:31 AM (o/90i)

390
369 Well, gosh, we should all just give up writing and thinking, then, and just spout slogans and incoherent streams of consciousness like Palin did the other day.

Sheesh. This is why it's apparently pointless to argue with Trumpers.

Good night, all.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 01:26 AM (laMCB)

Well, he showed us!

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2016 01:31 AM (MQEz6)

391 Is AOP still here? Sorry it took me a while to get back to him, was chopping up some veggies.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:04 AM (ntObR)

You heartless plant-butcher! So you're cooking for Bill Clinton now?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 01:31 AM (Z8fuk)

392
Harvard Law Review article (often quoted since) supporting view that any child of A U.S. citizen is a natural born citizen:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/q4fy2r3

A somewhat different and more comprehensive review from the Constitution Society:

http://www.constitution.org/abus/pres_elig.htm

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 01:26 AM (NUqwG)

Also this Congressional Research Service study from 2011: http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf

Posted by: redbanzai at January 25, 2016 01:32 AM (NPofj)

393 Off the top of my head Mark Levin and Rush, but I haven't listened to Rush in a long time.

Certainly not Fox News overall.

Posted by: Blano at January 25, 2016 01:30 AM (uiVGU)
Why do you regard Levin and Rush to be "truly conservative" as opposed to NR?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 01:32 AM (uZNvH)

394 Conservative media, ha!

Fighting the good fight; Rush Limbaugh and his trusty ex-lawyer Mark Levin.

Posted by: Cottonwood Kulak at January 25, 2016 01:33 AM (EWRow)

395 Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 01:26 AM (laMCB)

Wow. I haven't seen a flounce like that in quite some time.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 25, 2016 01:33 AM (kpqmD)

396 Rent it to a stripper who's just stripping to work her way through college.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 01:05 AM (oKE6c)

Now there's a fine idea. And of course, she'd have to be strip-searched each day to make sure she's not holding drugs...

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 01:33 AM (Z8fuk)

397 birth, Canada would not have given him Canadian citizenship. But, Canada did give him Canadian citizenship at birth.

This isn't necessarily true. Both my kids have dual citizenship, both have different circumstances.

Big was born in Canada, got US automatically when I adopted him.

Little was born here, Canada gave him citizenship when we filled out some papers.

Neither country asked about the other.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 25, 2016 01:33 AM (N8hFs)

398 Blanco Basura, I think you would have more to worry about the nonmetallic insulators and whatnot catching fire, than metallic vapors from the rectifier itself

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 01:33 AM (uZNvH)

399 Farmer, beans with an 80 or above octane rating. :-)

AOP, yup. Bill says hello btw. Just call me the Sweeney Todd of Lakewood Community Gardens. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:34 AM (ntObR)

400 374 Chi, do you have anything in common with this guy?
Posted by: otho
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Um, we're both so poor we can't afford to pay attention?
That's about it.

Other than that I've only worked with him a number of times taking down trees (all work, no play) or drinking a beer in the backyard.
6 months he's been there? IDK

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 01:35 AM (I7I0v)

401 AOP, you'll have to probe her yourself. *Every day.*

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:35 AM (ntObR)

402 399 Farmer, beans with an 80 or above octane rating. :-)

AOP, yup. Bill says hello btw. Just call me the Sweeney Todd of Lakewood Community Gardens. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:34 AM (ntObR)

The Vegan Barber of Fleet Street

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 25, 2016 01:36 AM (kpqmD)

403 #347: I'll have to disagree with this. An overseas
US military base is considered US soil., so a child born on such a base
to American parents is natural-born.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 25, 2016 01:25 AM (0OG8D)
------------------------------You're right. I had my mind on the Cruz question.

Posted by: iforgot at January 25, 2016 01:36 AM (YOxw1)

404 #360: If he was a US citizen at birth, Canada would
not have given him Canadian citizenship. But, Canada did give him
Canadian citizenship at birth.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 25, 2016 01:29 AM (0OG8D)

You are wrong. Cruz was a US citizen at his birth because his mother was American. This is true no matter what Canada did.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 25, 2016 01:36 AM (NPofj)

405 I prefer this barber. Now if only she wasn't 2,500 miles away.

http://thepantyhosebarber.co/

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:37 AM (ntObR)

406 So, um, just how toxic is the smoke from selenium rectifiers if they just happen to overheat and catch on fire?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 25, 2016 01:14 AM (YJmuy)

Selenium is a heavy metal, with a rather low vapor pressure. Yes, it can be nasty. Smells a bit like garlic.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 01:37 AM (Z8fuk)

407 I have seen a brink in a washing machine before. But, it wasn't until this day that I saw a brink in a washing machine on a trampoline.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 25, 2016 01:37 AM (R+30W)

408 I'll have to disagree with this. An overseas US
military base is considered US soil., so a child born on such a base to
American parents is natural-born.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler

Really would rather wait until daylight, but just poppin' in before that gets stuck into anyone's noggin.

Base =/= sovereign territory, unless a treaty specifies otherwise.

Embassies are different, and are usually considered sovereign territory, but see Iran - The Carter Years.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 01:30 AM (kdS6q)

Never mind that. Suppose Mom drops the brat not on the base, but in Schicklgruber Memorial Hospital, off the base. Now what?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 01:37 AM (oKE6c)

409 I've always thought gasoline smelled a bit like garlic.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:38 AM (ntObR)

410
AOP - thanks a million for your munificent act, I look forward to a box arriving (no need for tracking info).

Prothonotory, my loquacious comment above boils down to: being granted Canadian citizenship at birth due to geography has absolutely no bearing on anyone's US "natural born" status. There might be other things that do have such bearing, but Canada's laws and procedures have none. And thus are not really anything to even consider in this situation.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 25, 2016 01:38 AM (QDnY+)

411 Dang it! The language nazi in my head won't let me sleep unless I say...
It's SIPHON, not "cipher"!
But you knew that.
Good night Gracies fer realz.
Posted by: mindful webworker - sig heel at January 25, 2016 01:20 AM

TY, I knew I screwed up right after. Just old and tired after working this weekend.

But you all got what I meant, LOL.

Posted by: Farmer at January 25, 2016 01:38 AM (o/90i)

412 409
I've always thought gasoline smelled a bit like garlic.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:38 AM (ntObR)
finally someone who can appreciate my cooking!

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 01:39 AM (uZNvH)

413 Coming soon... a brick in a washing machine on a trampoline in zero gravity while being humped by Rosie O'Donnell.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:39 AM (ntObR)

414 405 I prefer this barber. Now if only she wasn't 2,500 miles away.

http://thepantyhosebarber.co/
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:37 AM (ntObR)

If your panty hose need a barber, you're doing it wrong.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 25, 2016 01:39 AM (kpqmD)

415 chemjeff, I'm Italian. Garlic makes *everything* better.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:39 AM (ntObR)

416 #383: Do you think Princess Alexandra of Hanover is eligible to run for President in 2036?

Grace Kelly, an American citizen, married Prince Rainier II of Monaco. One of their daughters, Princess Caroline, married, uh, I forget his name, some German dude, and gave birth to Alexandra in 1998.

If Ted Cruz is a natural-born US citizen, by that standard Grace passed natural-born US citizen status on to Caroline, and Caroline passed it on to Alexandra. And Alexandra will pass it on to her children, who will pass it on to their children, ad nauseum; even if none of Alexandra's great-great-grandchildren have any cultural attachment to the US, by the Ted Cruz standard they will all be natural-born US citizens and eligible to run for President.

I say no. You have to draw a line somewhere.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 25, 2016 01:40 AM (0OG8D)

417 Can Our Government Measure Snow?

Short answer: No. Which is why Reagan National airport reported 17.8 inches of snow despite the fact that nearby residents and every other adjacent reporting station had at least 24 inches.

Even the WaPo noticed this: "it has become apparent. . .through multiple conversations with the weather observers at Reagan National Airport, that the snowfall totals submitted to the National Weather Service for that location have not been measured properly."

Same thing is happening here in El Nino-soaked California.

If you look at the official precipitation data for the Bay Area (http://weather.sfgate.com/auto/sfgate/geo/precip/index.html) and combine it with knowledge of local geography, you immediately see that something is screwy.

For example, Downtown Oakland has reported 13.32 inches of rain so far this year, while Oakland Airport has reported a paltry 5.33 inches.

This makes absolutely no sense in at least three different ways:

a. Downtown Oakland is only about a couple miles from the Airport -- there's no way their totals should be much different from each other. Furthermore, they are essentially "in a row" for the El Nino storm track, such that clouds that pass over the Airport will also pass directly over Downtown. So really they should have nearly identical totals.

b. If anything, the Airport should have HIGHER totals than downtown, because it's on the water and further west, so the rain hits it first. Also, everyone knows from personal observation that the airport area along the Bay is especially soggy in rainy weather.

c. Last winter was the apex of a major three-year drought. It barely seemed to rain at all. Yet if you look at the totals to this date for the previous drought year, Oakland Airport got 11.68 inches as of 1-24-15. Yet this year, which has seen almost daily rain for a couple months already, shows only 5.33 inches of rain at the same measurement station???!?? Impossible.

In short, something is seriously wrong with the government's weather gauges. I notice this all this time. The Oakland stats were just an example -- a quick scan of the other totals for the region show many other similar bizarre discrepancies.

So yeah, I really trust their data. Like, for global warming 'n' stuff -- often taken at the same weather stations as these precipitation totals. Totally reliable. Top men.

Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2016 01:40 AM (jBuUi)

418 "Common knowledge" is not the law.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 25, 2016 01:23 AM (N8hFs)

Sometimes it is. How do we know that the "year" mentioned in the Constitution is the Gregorian year? How do we know it's not an islamic year?

The first question is pretty serious (as the Brits hadn't changed from the Julian calendar until not long before the Constitution - George Washington was born under the Julian, for example). The second question is silly (though it would probably get some farce of a serious hearing in our courts today).

But both are based on the idea that the "year" they were writing about was common knowledge - that it was a Christian year and the Gregorian one, at that.

There are Constitutional terms that have to be understood as they were by "common knowledge" as they were written.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 25, 2016 01:40 AM (zc3Db)

419 Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 25, 2016 12:17 AM (MNgU2)

The major problem with all the pro Trump reacting to criticism of Trump as bashing is because most of the anti Trump crowd thinks it's their duty to also remind the pro Trump people that if they're in favor of Trump then they're mouth breathing cousin humping redneck retards who don't deserve to live.

See how that works?

I react less to those who just state their case but every time I get this ad hominem attack just because I support Trump, I can guarantee a few things;

1) my opinion of the speaker is reduced
2) my opinion of the horde is reduced
3) my mind is not changed
4) I may even become more pro Trump because of the attitude
5) when I research some of these facts, they turn out to be opinions.

And besides, I'm convinced that Cruz is a sneak and is playing false. He's not as conservative as he's tried to make out he is and that pings my bullshit radar real loud.

No one could be as conservative and research shows he wasn't until just a few years ago on a lot of stuff.

He's more opportunist than Trump is because Trump's not trying to hide what he was. Cruz is.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 25, 2016 01:40 AM (Xo1Rt)

420 360: If he was a US citizen at birth, Canada would

not have given him Canadian citizenship. But, Canada did give him

Canadian citizenship at birth.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 25, 2016 01:29 AM (0OG8D)

Canadian law is irrelevant. Suppose he'd been born to an American parent in Buttfuckistan; does Buttfuckistani law control?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 01:40 AM (oKE6c)

421
LDC beat me to it. Longstanding practice and treaties involving extra-territoriality, codified by the Warsaw Convention, make embassy property sovereign territory. Military bases would be covered by status of forces agreements or other bilateral instruments.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 25, 2016 01:41 AM (QDnY+)

422 Insomniac, LOL.

Actually I learned this the hard way years ago when I did drag for a Halloween party: your leg hair can actually *still stick out* through the nylon threads.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:41 AM (ntObR)

423 There was a case before the English courts that was covered in American newspapers involving a "natural born" angle. At that time only natural born English citizens could own property in England and this fellow was born in Scotland of two English parents. The court ruled that because Scotland had an English-appointed monarch or caretaker at the time of his birth, it was part of England. When you bring a case to the SCOTUS you can cite English common law (and definitions within) and cite knowledge that the Founding Fathers had (they usually contributed letters to the newspapers). That is how we know that the Founding Fathers wanted every citizen to be able to own a firearm.

Posted by: Darrell at January 25, 2016 01:41 AM (k2PBj)

424 finally someone who can appreciate my cooking!
--------
I can only guess that your flatulence must be banned by the Geneva Conventions. My God Man! What have you done?!?!!!!

Posted by: Old Blue at January 25, 2016 01:41 AM (9iR5/)

425 Posted by: redbanzai at January 25, 2016 01:32 AM (NPofj)
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That's good one too.

The Const. Society article is critical of the CRS report. Not necessarily related to the birth topic of the article, but the Const. Society mucked up their discussion of the status of territories.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 01:42 AM (NUqwG)

426 well good night all

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 01:42 AM (uZNvH)

427
Suppose Mom drops the brat not on the base, but in Schicklgruber Memorial Hospital, off the base. Now what?
Posted by: Jay Guevara

"Well, first to get to the hospital they'd have to go over the viaduct."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 01:43 AM (kdS6q)

428 G'night everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 25, 2016 01:44 AM (YJmuy)

429 409 I've always thought gasoline smelled a bit like garlic.
Posted by: qdpsteve
------------------
Reminde not to eat dinner at your house. If I ever make it out to the left coast, we're going to whataburger. Or hell, even olive garden

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 01:44 AM (I7I0v)

430 He's an ex drug addict. And he lived in the other hosue with no problems and has a job.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 25, 2016 01:23 AM (iQIUe)

And he's being forced out of the other house, right?

Posted by: Blano at January 25, 2016 01:26 AM (sdPF/)

Is he really "ex", or just on sabbatical?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 01:44 AM (Z8fuk)

431 Suppose he'd been born to an American parent in Buttfuckistan; does Buttfuckistani law control?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 01:40 AM (oKE6c)

When you're in Buttfuckistan, Buttfuckistan law controls. That's pretty much a tautology and why Americans have to understand that our Constitution and their rights don't extend beyond our borders.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 25, 2016 01:44 AM (zc3Db)

432 422 Insomniac, LOL.

Actually I learned this the hard way years ago when I did drag for a Halloween party: your leg hair can actually *still stick out* through the nylon threads.
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:41 AM (ntObR)

That's an image I could have done without.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 25, 2016 01:44 AM (kpqmD)

433 Chi, just because my kitchen is a designated EPA superfund site is no reason to avoid my cooking.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:44 AM (ntObR)

434 There are residency requirements on the birth citizenship thing. Suppose an American citizen has a child on foreign soil. That parent has to sastify some residency requirements. For a child of that child, the grandkid, to be granted birth citizen, the first child has to come over here and live for a certain period of time.

And for the presidency, something I was forgetting when I first started considering the birther stuff was the 14-yr residency requirement. You've got to have lived here for 14 years straight to be eligible for the presidency.

That requirement negates many of the concerns I would have about "citizens at birth" on foreign soil being eligible as natural born.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at January 25, 2016 01:45 AM (dvuhZ)

435 Never mind that. Suppose Mom drops the brat not on the base, but in Schicklgruber Memorial Hospital, off the base. Now what?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 01:37 AM (oKE6c)

--------------------------
I had that very scenario in mind when the military base question was asked. Kid would have to be born ON BASE but Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2016 01:30 AM (kdS6q) indicates that even that wouldn't necessarily equate to "American soil."
And I, too, think the line should be drawn. Someone I knew who was working abroad sort of regretted that her kid, born abroad, couldn't be president. She was working off the "common knowledge" that appears faulty, but she faced the situation squarely.

Posted by: iforgot at January 25, 2016 01:45 AM (YOxw1)

436 Chi, I don't think Whataburger is out here in SoCal. We do have In-N-Out, Farmer Boys (my personal fave) and Tommy's (have yet to try them).

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:45 AM (ntObR)

437 429 409 I've always thought gasoline smelled a bit like garlic.
Posted by: qdpsteve
------------------
Reminde not to eat dinner at your house. If I ever make it out to the left coast, we're going to whataburger. Or hell, even olive garden
Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 01:44 AM (I7I0v)

When he fuels his car with the leftover marinara, you know you've got a problem.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 25, 2016 01:46 AM (kpqmD)

438 G'night chem. Thanks.

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 01:46 AM (I7I0v)

439 Selenium is a heavy metal

Metalloid, as I'm sure you're aware. Not even tellurium is generally accounted to be a metal.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 01:46 AM (oKE6c)

440 If I ever make it out to the left coast, we're going to whataburger.
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Better stop on the way or go to the In-n-Out :^)

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 01:47 AM (NUqwG)

441 Yes, but you should see the mileage I get. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:47 AM (ntObR)

442 417 Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2016 01:40 AM (jBuUi)

I think it's probably safe to assume we're being lied-to 24/7/365 by the government, the media, academia, "experts", and anyone wanting to sell us something or have us contribute to something. Your neighbor across the street is probably only lying to you 20% of the time, by contrast -- as is the average Moron.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 01:47 AM (EzgxV)

443 #420: If Buttfuckistani law disallows dual citizenship, but says this guy is a Buttfuckistani citizen, and this guy waits until he's in his forties to renounce his Buttfuckistani citizenship, it's not at all unfair to say, "This guy was born a Buttfuckistani citizen, and not an American".

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 25, 2016 01:47 AM (0OG8D)

444 Do you think Princess Alexandra of Hanover is eligible to run for President in 2036?

Grace
Kelly, an American citizen, married Prince Rainier II of Monaco. One of
their daughters, Princess Caroline, married, uh, I forget his name,
some German dude, and gave birth to Alexandra in 1998.

If Ted
Cruz is a natural-born US citizen, by that standard Grace passed
natural-born US citizen status on to Caroline, and Caroline passed it on
to Alexandra. And Alexandra will pass it on to her children, who will
pass it on to their children, ad nauseum; even if none of Alexandra's
great-great-grandchildren have any cultural attachment to the US, by the
Ted Cruz standard they will all be natural-born US citizens and
eligible to run for President.

I say no. You have to draw a line somewhere.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 25, 2016 01:40 AM (0OG8

The law specifies that citizenship can only be passed on by a citizen who has lived in the US. Even if (and this is a big IF since I am sure almost sure Grace Kelly gave up her US citizenship when she married) Caroline had citizenship at birth, she would have had to live in the US for a certain length of time before her 28th birthday in order to keep and pass along that citizenship to her daughter.

That has nothing to do with Ted Cruz, Mr. Troll.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 25, 2016 01:48 AM (NPofj)

445 Um, we're both so poor we can't afford to pay attention?

That's about it.

Other than that I've only worked with him a number of times taking
down trees (all work, no play) or drinking a beer in the backyard.

6 months he's been there? IDK

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 01:35 AM

Well that's something. Better than a total stranger. However, compatibilty is crucial. Letting someone crash for awhile is charity. Renting out a room, isn't. You got to have some clue as to whether you can stand living with the guy. Because you're going to be doing just that. A simple question to ask yourself is... "can I lounge around and watch movies, or something with this guy for a few hours?"... or is it going to be tense and awkward to be in the same room?... "do we like the same kind of music?".... what if he plays rap shit at weird hours?... "can I tell him not to do something in particular, so it doesn't fuck whatever up?" ... or will he get surly and shit for "cramping his style".

You have to live with these people. You don't have to be BFF's, but you do have to be something approaching friends.

Posted by: otho at January 25, 2016 01:48 AM (EWg9n)

446 PW wins the all-time prize for most uses of the word "Buttfuckistani" in a single comment. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:48 AM (ntObR)

447 439 Selenium is a heavy metal

Metalloid, as I'm sure you're aware. Not even tellurium is generally accounted to be a metal.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 01:46 AM (oKE6c)

METAL!!!

\m/ \m/

*bangs head*

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 25, 2016 01:48 AM (kpqmD)

448 "Selenium is a heavy metal"

As opposed to obsidian, which is just hard rock.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:49 AM (ntObR)

449 Zombie, years ago I was walking down Colfax Ave. in Denver. I was walking in the sunshine and right there across four lanes of traffic, it was raining like a son of a bitch. It was really weird. On my side of the street the rainfall was zero. On the other side of the street the rainfall was an inch an hour.
I could see some discrepancies. But I agree with you on all the AGW crap.

Posted by: Old Blue at January 25, 2016 01:49 AM (9iR5/)

450 Blanco Basura, I think you would have more to worry about the nonmetallic insulators and whatnot catching fire, than metallic vapors from the rectifier itself

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2016 01:33 AM (uZNvH)

Selenium poisoning is definitely a thing. Back when selenium rectifiers were commonplace, electronics worers were warned strenuously to avoid breathing fumes from overheated rectifiers.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 01:49 AM (Z8fuk)

451
Chi, you meant In-n-Out Burger, yes?

In Brazil, the gasoline used to smell like, well, sweet. Gasohol, sugar-cane based. I remember how odd and nice it was. 1986, Ubatuba, Sao Paolo coastal area, refueling the gf's borrowed car. Gas station had a distinctly sweet smell.

And no, cane-ethanol made no sense in that time, either, but it was far less absurd than our corn ethanol (cost of imported oil, lack of domestic oil resources, abundance of cane fields with soft international sugar prices).

Now, since Brazil has been one of the most spectacular mockeries of "peak oil" and the economically/technologically illiterate version of "scarcity" in the intervening years, it would REALLY be ridiculous to continue the gasohol program. Then again, oligarchic social structure,political system to match, lots of old money tied up in sugar cane fields.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 25, 2016 01:50 AM (QDnY+)

452 #383: Do you think Princess Alexandra of Hanover is eligible to run for President in 2036?

If Ted Cruz is a natural-born US citizen, by that standard Grace passed natural-born US citizen status on to Caroline, and Caroline passed it on to Alexandra. And Alexandra will pass it on to her children, who will pass it on to their children, ad nauseum; even if none of Alexandra's great-great-grandchildren have any cultural attachment to the US, by the Ted Cruz standard they will all be natural-born US citizens and eligible to run for President.
I say no. You have to draw a line somewhere.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 25, 2016 01:40 AM

Nope, the parent of a natural born citizen had be born in the US and lived there for a specific number of yrs. No one in Alexandra's family has met that qualification for several generations.

Posted by: Farmer at January 25, 2016 01:50 AM (o/90i)

453 You've got to have lived here for 14 years straight to be eligible for the presidency.

That
requirement negates many of the concerns I would have about "citizens
at birth" on foreign soil being eligible as natural born.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at January 25, 2016 01:45 AM (dvuhZ)

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At a minimum, that would satisfy me only if it's 14 years before the age of 21. Even then, maybe not.

Posted by: iforgot at January 25, 2016 01:51 AM (YOxw1)

454 When you're in Buttfuckistan, Buttfuckistan law
controls. That's pretty much a tautology and why Americans have to
understand that our Constitution and their rights don't extend beyond
our borders.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 25, 2016 01:44 AM (zc3Db)
Sure. But we're talking about the kid's status under American law. Does American law consider the child of an American citizen in Buttfuckistan to be an American citizen? That's the question. What Buttfuckistani law considers him to be is irrelevant to that question.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 01:52 AM (oKE6c)

455 "If not for the 19th Obama would be a Brit, Cruz would be a Canuck (or Cuban)."

Obama _was_ a Brit. Past tense.

Not to get too deeply into the legal minutiae, but if Obama was born when and where he claims to have been born, to the parents to whom he claims to have been born, he would have been _de jure_ both a U.S. citizen and a subject of the British crown.

He would then have surrendered both of those allegiances when he was later adopted by an Indonesian stepfather and became a citizen of that country and lived in that country as an Indonesian, because the Indos did not recognize dual citizenship and required proof of having abjured any prior claims.

Obama never refiled to become a citizen of the USA nor a subject of the Crown, though he later moved back to Hawaii. Hence hinky stuff like the Connecticut social security number assigned to someone else. He's an Indonesian national to this day.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2016 01:52 AM (noWW6)

456 Speaking of being lied to......is that a washing machine on the trampoline -- or a dryer?!?!?

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 01:52 AM (EzgxV)

457 Really? Where is whataburger based ? I thought that was a big thing out there?

I think I saw an in-and-out in TX, but I thought both of those chains were out of LA (or somewhere in CA).

And, don't get me started on what California looks like to the rest of America. I already schooled everyone yesterday on what Texas looks like.

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 01:53 AM (I7I0v)

458 At a minimum, that would satisfy me only if it's 14 years before the age of 21. Even then, maybe not.
Posted by: iforgot at January 25, 2016 01:51 AM (YOxw1)
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Exactly. We don't want some idiot who grew up in India or Indonesia becoming President.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 01:53 AM (NUqwG)

459 OK, Horde, off to bed. Try to be nice to one another, OK?
See you tomorrow.

Posted by: Old Blue at January 25, 2016 01:54 AM (9iR5/)

460 #444: Why did we give Winston Churchill honorary natural-born US citizen status, then? Seems pretty pointless to "honor" him by giving him something he already had.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 25, 2016 01:54 AM (0OG8D)

461 I read about some idiot who was diagnose with prostrate cancer. He read selenium was supposed to be "anti-cancer", so he started taking it. And I mean taking it. Not in the microgram doses, but started eating some selenium compound powder he managed to get a hold of.

He was dead, Jim, in a day or two.

I managed to acquire an old welder. It was a shipyard welder and consists of a 3-phase motor turning a DC generator. The pilot field uses an old selenium rectifier stack.

That thing is, well built like a shipyard, and that commutator DC current is the smoothest you ever welded with. Unlike modern rectified DC output, there ain't no humps, just damn straight DC. I can run some of the hardest DC rods to run like butter with it.

Output is 500A. Continous. The motor, while no HP is given, is about 15HP based on running current ratings.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at January 25, 2016 01:54 AM (dvuhZ)

462 Chi, how accurate would you say "King of the Hill" was about Texans?

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:54 AM (ntObR)

463 I think I saw an in-and-out in TX, but I thought both of those chains were out of LA (or somewhere in CA).
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Whataburger is divine. Straight from the Body of Christ!

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 01:55 AM (NUqwG)

464 462 Chi, how accurate would you say "King of the Hill" was about Texans?
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:54 AM (ntObR)
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Yup....

I watched it for years before moving here, and just didn't 'get' it. Moved here, and I got it.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at January 25, 2016 01:57 AM (lutOX)

465 443 #420: If Buttfuckistani law disallows dual citizenship, but says this guy is a Buttfuckistani citizen, and this guy waits until he's in his forties to renounce his Buttfuckistani citizenship, it's not at all unfair to say, "This guy was born a Buttfuckistani citizen, and not an American".
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 25, 2016 01:47 AM (0OG8D)

Again, what Buttfuckistani law provides is irrelevant. If the guy doesn't try to perfect his American citizenship until later in life (however that's defined), that's another matter - for American law.

For my part, I think if the mother is a none-too-bright Communist roundheels whack-a-doodle, and the father is an African gash hound with a hankering for white strange, then the kid is not an American, but that's me.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 01:58 AM (oKE6c)

466 Metalloid, as I'm sure you're aware. Not even tellurium is generally accounted to be a metal.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 01:46 AM (oKE6c)

Right. Metalloid. Like arsenic.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=39194

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 01:58 AM (Z8fuk)

467 Palpatine, yup. :-)

One thing I remember from KOTH was the name of a convenience store: Get In Get Out.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:58 AM (ntObR)

468 Another great line from KOTH:

"Guns don't kill people. The government does!!"

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 01:58 AM (ntObR)

469 #454: If Buttfuckistan will only give you citizenship at birth if you're not already a citizen of some other country such as the US, then, yes, their citizenship laws are relevant.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 25, 2016 01:59 AM (0OG8D)

470 And Kahn and Minh, their neighbors - dead-on.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at January 25, 2016 01:59 AM (lutOX)

471 One thing I remember from KOTH was the name of a convenience store: Get In Get Out.
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They have been bought out by the Quick Theft chain.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 02:00 AM (NUqwG)

472 462 Chi, how accurate would you say "King of the Hill" was about Texans?
Posted by: qdpsteve
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Well, darn near everyone I met was good people, I tell you what. Excuse my language. *blushes*

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 02:00 AM (I7I0v)

473 Palpatine, oh yeah.

"Hey stupid redneck! Need you to change my tire!! Chop chop!!!!!"

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 02:00 AM (ntObR)

474 I have lived with other folks in a communal situation. I have lived with folks and it was their house.

There's ALWAYS problems. Even (or maybe especially) married folks have this same problem; living with another persons idiosyncrasies of living.

One person load the tp one way the other reverse. One person doesn't swear and the other talks like a sailor.

One person is punctilious about the rent and the other has to be reminded.

One person is a clutter monkey and the other is a neat freak.

I'd make a contract with the guy for x amount of time. No more than 6 months. Make him swear he is currently drug free and provide references that can vouch for that. Put in the contract that he is not to have any drugs, have any friends over that do have drugs (and that's another thing the friends of the roommate. Lotsa trouble there) and if found with any drugs anywhere or arrested, the contract is null and void. include procedures to take if he doesn't pay the rent and if you have to evict him. Get it all down on paper. Then have him sign it and you sign it and get it witnessed.

And then maybe you might not get screwed but it's doubtful with eviction laws the way they are.

Still think that $150 is worth it?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 25, 2016 02:00 AM (Xo1Rt)

475 Rio, LOL.

You don't want to know what that chain calls the Ethnic Foods section.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 02:01 AM (ntObR)

476 Oh for fuck's sake are the birthers still going at it? All of the sudden everybody is a Constitutional expert. I can't wait for the nomination to end so people will shut the fuck up about their natural born citizen concern trolling.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 25, 2016 02:02 AM (UnJ7w)

477 "I know what's wrong with your truck, Hank. It's a Ford."

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at January 25, 2016 02:02 AM (lutOX)

478 My bro-in-law (the sane one, married to my sane sister) reminds me a lot of Hank Hill. He seems to have the same earnestness and, for lack of a better term, concepts of manliness.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 02:02 AM (ntObR)

479 "Suppose Mom drops the brat not on the base, but in Schicklgruber Memorial Hospital, off the base. Now what?"

This is one plausible scenario for Old Man Yells At Clouds not having actually been eligible as a "natural born citizen".

There were parts of Panama at the time which were part of the Zone under unquestioned U.S. jurisdiction, and other parts which were indisputably and permanently Panamanian, and apparently Mrs. McCain may have given birth in a nearby local hospital not within the Zone proper, due to crowding on base. The paperwork is ambiguous.

Not that it actually matters at this point.

For what it's worth, if my #Torque2016 long shot campaign pays off, yours truly being an absolutely bona fide natural born citizen, my first Presidential priority will be to convene an Article V convention with standing orders to "decisively sort out all of this unorganized grabastic amphibian shit once and for all, or else".

Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2016 02:02 AM (noWW6)

480 Oh, and his family is from Nebraska.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 02:02 AM (ntObR)

481 I can't wait for the nomination to end so people will shut the fuck up about their natural born citizen concern trolling.
Posted by: Arson Wells at January 25, 2016 02:02 AM (UnJ7w)
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Hah! Just wait 'til 2020.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 02:03 AM (NUqwG)

482 OK, Horde, off to bed. Try to be nice to one another, OK?
See you tomorrow.
Posted by: Old Blue at January 25, 2016 01:54 AM

Be well all you Morons.
T

Posted by: Farmer at January 25, 2016 02:03 AM (o/90i)

483 Went to Breitbart today, big mistake. What the hell happened over there? It's like bizarro Salon now.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 25, 2016 02:04 AM (UnJ7w)

484 "Bobby, if you weren't my son, I'd hug you."

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at January 25, 2016 02:05 AM (lutOX)

485 474 I have lived with other folks in a communal situation. I have lived with folks and it was their house.
There's ALWAYS problems. Even (or maybe especially) married folks have this same problem; living with another persons idiosyncrasies of living.
One person load the tp one way the other reverse. One person doesn't swear and the other talks like a sailor.
One person is punctilious about the rent and the other has to be reminded.

One person is a clutter monkey and the other is a neat freak.

I'd make a contract with the guy for x amount of time. No more than 6 months. Make him swear he is currently drug free and provide references that can vouch for that. Put in the contract that he is not to have any drugs, have any friends over that do have drugs (and that's another thing the friends of the roommate. Lotsa trouble there) and if found with any drugs anywhere or arrested, the contract is null and void. include procedures to take if he doesn't pay the rent and if you have to evict him. Get it all down on paper. Then have him sign it and you sign it and get it witnessed.

And then maybe you might not get screwed but it's doubtful with eviction laws the way they are.

Still think that $150 is worth it?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 25, 2016 02:00 AM (Xo1Rt)

The extreme example of an unfortunate living arrangement: Timothy Evans living under the same roof with J. H. R. Christie at Rillington Place. Now I doubt that Evans was as pure as the driven snow, but did he deserve to hang? Not clear. Not clear at all.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 02:05 AM (oKE6c)

486 Well, eyelids are getting set to slam shut. Got to go get horizontal.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2016 02:06 AM (Z8fuk)

487 KOTH also did a fantastic episode about Hank getting accused, falsely, of being a racist.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 02:06 AM (ntObR)

488 "Bobby, if you weren't my son, I'd hug ya."
My favorite line on TV ever.

If you only knew how many times I have said "I sell propane and propane accessories" in every day conversation! Probably every time some nosy asshole asks "so what do you do?" for the last 5 years...

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 02:07 AM (I7I0v)

489 Good night, Farmer! Good night, Alberta Oil Peon!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 25, 2016 02:08 AM (0OG8D)

490 Ford;

Fix

Or

Repair

Daily

Said by a true ford man, father was a ford man but the fcuked me on the 21st century rangers (made them cramped and bloated like a girl on her period)

I hated that truck (2003 ranger) and swore I will never buy another ford.

I did get over 100,000 miles with it but had to junk it because I was unable to remove the tranny for a needed repair. True to the end it aggravated me every damn day.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 25, 2016 02:08 AM (Xo1Rt)

491 Goodnight Farmer and AOP.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 02:08 AM (ntObR)

492 Good night, Old Blue!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 25, 2016 02:09 AM (0OG8D)

493 Ugh, I'm gonna have to get to bed, myself. Good night, everyone!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 25, 2016 02:10 AM (0OG8D)

494
PW, seriously? Read my comment above. Citizenship is a unilateral matter, not a bilateral or multi-lateral one. If Country X grants citizenship confers citizenship based on birth geography or shoe size or hair color, that's the way it is. It has nothing to do with OTHER countries' citizenship definitions or requirements.

Does Canada's citizenship law and policy take account of other countries' citizenship standards when granting birth-right citizenship? I haven't looked. I'll bet you the next Powerball jackpot that it doesn't. That it takes no account of such things.

I'll give up here, but it's not complicated. The US determines who qualifies for citizenship of the US. The actions of no other sovereign entity have any meaning for this process. The US definition/process may be murkier than it should be (may be - not sure it really is), but Canada's laws and actions are completely irrelevant. And obviously so - we are a sovereign state and define our own citizenship standards, as do all other sovereign states. Whatever the gray areas of our citizenship definitions, the sovereign, unilateral, unrelated actions of foreign powers (Canada) have no bearing on the question.

(statement of exasperation with the quality level of the horde's discussions on far too many topics - deleted)

Posted by: rhomboid at January 25, 2016 02:10 AM (QDnY+)

495 Goodnight PW.

I gotta go too. Goodnight and thanks for the great chat everyone.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 25, 2016 02:11 AM (ntObR)

496 488 "Bobby, if you weren't my son, I'd hug ya."
My favorite line on TV ever.

If you only knew how many times I have said "I sell propane and propane accessories" in every day conversation! Probably every time some nosy asshole asks "so what do you do?" for the last 5 years...
Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 02:07 AM (I7I0v)

Love it. One of my favorite bits is Bobby taking the women's self defense class.

"That's my purse! I don't know you!"

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 25, 2016 02:12 AM (kpqmD)

497 True story:

A friend of mine's father was a captain on oil tankers. As captain, he was allowed to bring his wife on voyages if he so chose. (Not sure if this is still the case -- this happened in the '60s).

So on one voyage he brought his wife with him, and she was pregnant. They were scheduled to get back to the US in plenty of time for the due date, but the wife went into labor early when the tanker was refilling in...Iran!

So she was rushed ashore and gave birth to a premature baby girl in a grim Iranian port-city hospital.

Luckily, the baby survived, and much later became my friend.

She then once told the story of how she afforded to go to a a very expensive private college:

She discovered that there were full scholarships specifically reserved for Iranian students. (Probably some endowment by a rich Iranian who fled the Shah.) So she showed up at a special meeting to apply for the scholarship, in a room full of Iranian foreign exchange students.

Oh, did I mention that my friend is blonde and 5'11"?

They all looked at her aghast -- that is, until she unveiled the Iranian birth certificate she brought with her to prove she was born in Iran!

She got the scholarship.

But I wonder: Is she technically an Iranian citizen? And conversely, is she eligible to be president of the USA? (Both parents are American citizens.)

Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2016 02:12 AM (jBuUi)

498 Went to Breitbart today, big mistake. What the hell happened over there? It's like bizarro Salon now.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 25, 2016 02:04 AM (UnJ7w)

Its Trump trolls wall to wall over there.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 25, 2016 02:16 AM (NPofj)

499 But I wonder: Is she technically an Iranian citizen? And conversely, is she eligible to be president of the USA? (Both parents are American citizens.)
Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2016 02:12 AM (jBuUi)

IANAL, but I suspect that she could be an Iranian citizen under Iranian law, and an American citizen under American law (and eligible to be President of the USA).

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 02:16 AM (oKE6c)

500 The extreme example of an unfortunate living arrangement: Timothy Evans living under the same roof with J. H. R. Christie at Rillington Place. Now I doubt that Evans was as pure as the driven snow, but did he deserve to hang? Not clear. Not clear at all.
Posted by: Jay Guevara

John Hurt's greatest role!

I still vividly remember that line of dialogue from the trial scene: "Christie done it."

I often use that line as my catchall excuse when I break something around the house. When caught, I always say, "Christie done it!"

Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2016 02:17 AM (jBuUi)

501
And, don't get me started on what California looks like to the rest of America. I already schooled everyone yesterday on what Texas looks like.

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 01:53 AM (I7I0v)

I missed that, so could you enlighten me? Not that I give a shit. Just curious. Now that I'm in Texas, most of the rest of the country can just go fuck itself.

Posted by: Blano at January 25, 2016 02:17 AM (NHQQx)

502 Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2016 02:12 AM (jBuUi)

My dual citizenship is from Iran. I imagine she was born in or near Bandar Abbas. Great story.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 25, 2016 02:17 AM (UnJ7w)

503 Insomniac,
I'm also the asshole that, on job interviews, answers the stupid question "what is your biggest weakness?" with "kryptonite" - the key is maintaining eye contact & a straight face.
If possible.

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 02:18 AM (I7I0v)

504 I suspect that she could be an Iranian citizen under Iranian law
Posted by: Jay Guevara

I'd be willing to bet that Iran changed all those laws in 1979/80 and retroactively rescinded citizenship for many Americans born in Iran during the Shah's reign.

Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2016 02:19 AM (jBuUi)

505 I'm also the asshole that, on job interviews, answers the stupid question "what is your biggest weakness?" with "kryptonite" - the key is maintaining eye contact & a straight face.
If possible.
Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 02:18 AM (I7I0v)
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I am sure that works better than "Answering that stupid question." I am really sure.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2016 02:20 AM (NUqwG)

506 John Hurt's greatest role!

I still vividly remember that line of dialogue from the trial scene: "Christie done it."

I often use that line as my catchall excuse when I break something
around the house. When caught, I always say, "Christie done it!"

Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2016 02:17 AM (jBuUi)
A line reprised fleetingly in "Pierrepoint: The Last Hangman."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 02:20 AM (oKE6c)

507 I imagine she was born in or near Bandar Abbas. Great story.
Posted by: Arson Wells

That rings a bell. You may very well be right.

Wherever was the main Iranian oil refilling port on the Persian Gulf in the '60s -- that's where she was born.

Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2016 02:23 AM (jBuUi)

508 John Hurt was awesome in Nineteen Eighty-Four, although Burton really made it.

One of his best roles, in my opinion.

When he leans in and says, "Winston, you are thinking that my face looks old and tired, and that while I talk of power I am unable to prevent the decay of my own body....." I get a lump in my throat because the man was dying when he spoke those lines.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at January 25, 2016 02:23 AM (lutOX)

509 488
"Bobby, if you weren't my son, I'd hug ya."

My favorite line on TV ever.

If you only knew how many times I have said "I sell propane and
propane accessories" in every day conversation! Probably every time some
nosy asshole asks "so what do you do?" for the last 5 years...

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 02:07 AM (I7I0v)

Actually, I've been wondering how delivered and site-tanked propane compares in cost to piped-and-metered natural gas if you're in the outer burbs and don't already have a pipe connection. Anyone know anything about this?

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 02:24 AM (EzgxV)

510 Actually, I've been wondering how delivered and site-tanked propane compares in cost to piped-and-metered natural gas if you're in the outer burbs and don't already have a pipe connection. Anyone know anything about this?

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 02:24 AM (EzgxV)

Well one thing is that if there are several companies in the area, they might actually be competing and will keep prices lower.

Posted by: buzzion at January 25, 2016 02:25 AM (zt+N6)

511 And RioBravo wins the award for best sense of humor. Congratulations, sir.

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 02:26 AM (I7I0v)

512

Posted by: GGE of the Working Horde, NC Chapter at January 25, 2016 02:27 AM (30qi/)

513 John Hurt's greatest role!

Posted by: zombie at January 25, 2016 02:17 AM

It is a great one, indeed. However, one word... "Caligula".

Posted by: otho at January 25, 2016 02:27 AM (EWg9n)

514 "I'm also the asshole that, on job interviews, answers the stupid
question 'what is your biggest weakness?' with 'kryptonite' - the key is
maintaining eye contact a straight face. If possible."

"What's your biggest weakness?"

"My honesty."

"I don't really think of honesty as being a weakness."

"Honestly, I don't give a flying fuck what you think."

Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2016 02:27 AM (noWW6)

515 "Report: The FBI Has Stopped Processing NICS Denial Appeals"

So I wonder where he stole this story from.

Please please please, stop linking to the plagiarists at TTAG. Thank you.

Posted by: GGE of the Working Horde, NC Chapter at January 25, 2016 02:27 AM (30qi/)

516 512

Posted by: GGE of the Working Horde, NC Chapter at January 25, 2016 02:27 AM (30qi/)

Well, said, GGE!!!! Been practicing dialogue with the Mrs.?

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 02:28 AM (EzgxV)

517 Well, said, GGE!!!! Been practicing dialogue with the Mrs.?

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 02:28 AM (EzgxV)

Just trying to hold up my end of the conversation.

Posted by: GGE of the Working Horde, NC Chapter at January 25, 2016 02:32 AM (30qi/)

518 that the "year" mentioned in the Constitution is the Gregorian year? How do we know it's not an islamic year?

Reductio ad absurdum may be an effective debating technique, but it has little application in law. "Natural born" is a specific legal term. "Year" isn't, or at least not in this case.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 25, 2016 02:34 AM (N8hFs)

519 Not exactly sure how to greet GGE, so I'll just say Hey.

(Do I curtsy & do that thing with my skirt? Or do I just give him a tip o' the tam?)

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 02:38 AM (I7I0v)

520 517
Well, said, GGE!!!! Been practicing dialogue with the Mrs.?

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 02:28 AM (EzgxV)

Just trying to hold up my end of the conversation.

Posted by: GGE of the Working Horde, NC Chapter at January 25, 2016 02:32 AM (30qi/)

Bought 3 more LEED flood bulbs to finish changing the kitchen over -- fiancee promptly broke one. Is it my imagination, or am I going to have to move the shelf-thingie with the bulb-socket up a bit in my can lights?

Hope you're enjoying connubial bliss and not the 150,000 power-outages I'm hearing about in NC.....or, come to think of it, maybe both.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 02:42 AM (EzgxV)

521 Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 02:38 AM (I7I0v)

Howdy Chi

*greets Chi like Braveheart greeted the English*

Posted by: GGE of the Working Horde, NC Chapter at January 25, 2016 02:42 AM (30qi/)

522 519
Not exactly sure how to greet GGE, so I'll just say Hey.

(Do I curtsy do that thing with my skirt? Or do I just give him a tip o' the tam?)

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 02:38 AM (I7I0v)

[No, no -- he's the one with the skirt. You just keep your dog from nipping him somewhere embarrassing.]

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 02:43 AM (EzgxV)

523 Hope you're enjoying connubial bliss and not the
150,000 power-outages I'm hearing about in NC.....or, come to think of
it, maybe both.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 02:42 AM (EzgxV)

Power never even blinked where I am, I've always had good luck with that. Mrs Hades has been home from work since Thursday and won't be going in this morning either. The nice thing is...she will be there all snuggly and warm when I get home.

Posted by: GGE of the Working Horde, NC Chapter at January 25, 2016 02:44 AM (30qi/)

524 I missed that, so could you enlighten me? Not that I give a shit. Just curious. Now that I'm in Texas, most of the rest of the country can just go fuck itself.
Posted by: Blano at January 25, 2016 02:17 AM (NHQQx)

Pretty much the way Alaskans have felt all along.

Had our earthquake last evening (this morning?) happened in Los Angeles or New York, the President would have called it a National Emergency, FEMA would be out with trailers and bottled water, and the LIV's would have been out asking for Obamaphos and free shit right and left.

Instead, we cautiously waited for the power to come back on, and if it didn't, we made a fire in the woodstove, powered up the generator for the well and carried on until the sun came up, and then we turned on the radio and made our way into town. No biggie.

And frankly, Feds are looked upon as interlopers, as are California lawyers and New York investment firms.

Posted by: tcn in AK at January 25, 2016 02:44 AM (+YMhA)

525 And of course, now that I've made my appearance my break is over and my completely unreasonable employer insists, as a condition of me drawing a paycheck, that I actually go off and do something productive. So, off I go.

Later roonz and roonettez, fear no evil!

Posted by: GGE of the Working Horde, NC Chapter at January 25, 2016 02:46 AM (30qi/)

526 Speaking of natural disasters, local towns Pacifica and Half Moon Bay have starting whinging in the press about how Yuuuge and classy their unexpected El Nino disaster effects have been, and how they should be getting influxes of cash from taxpayers outside their city limits to compensate.

Anyone outside this state would be aghast at their chutzpah -- we've had a couple of what anyone not living in a desert would consider decent rains since October first....and even anyone inside the state is probably thinking, "WTF? This doesn't begin to compare to '86, '95, or '98....does this guy think the last 15 years were normal????" Is everyone on the City Council for those two cities under the age of 20?

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 02:54 AM (EzgxV)

527 523
Hope you're enjoying connubial bliss and not the

150,000 power-outages I'm hearing about in NC.....or, come to think of

it, maybe both.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 02:42 AM (EzgxV)

Power
never even blinked where I am, I've always had good luck with that. Mrs
Hades has been home from work since Thursday and won't be going in this
morning either. The nice thing is...she will be there all snuggly and
warm when I get home.

Posted by: GGE of the Working Horde, NC Chapter at January 25, 2016 02:44 AM (30qi/)

Sounds like you're having good luck with that, as well.... Best to you both.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 02:56 AM (EzgxV)

528 A Navy Seal and his Navy nurse wife have a child in Germany. Would you deny that child as of right American citizenship?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 25, 2016 12:37 AM (oKE6c)

If the child is born in a hospital on a US military base to parents who are us citizens, that base is considered US soil, so the child is considered 'natural-born'. The reason for this is serving in the US military overseas should not harm any children's status to become president. Now if those same two parents had their child born not on a military base, but at a local hospital, unless there are special dispensations given for emergency births and whatnot, that child is most likely a dual citizen, hence not natural-born. (There is no way in hell a dual citizen child could ever be considered 'natural-born'; the Founders would be spinning in their graves generating enough electricity to feed the US grid for a millennia were that true.)

----

Chi, one piece of advice way up thread is very important to consider: Letting someone move in and pay rent may legally give them more than squatter's rights. Based upon local law, you may not be able to ask them to leave (even if they don't pay rent). Be very careful letting someone move in full-time. As many have said, consult with a lawyer (and look for those free lawyer advice events/places, where lawyers provide pro-bono advice to those who cannot afford to pay for such advice). Also, if the new tenant pays by check vs. cash may have bearing on the matter, too, unless you give a receipt which makes that point moot. But I think the most important thing is do you trust this guy? Having a good heart and wanting to help 'save' the guy is not a sufficient answer as you can never save him from himself. Good luck.

Posted by: RickZ at January 25, 2016 03:01 AM (Ix+HS)

529 There are only two types of citizens, natural born (citizenship by birth) and naturalized. Cruz is obviously not the latter.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 25, 2016 12:38 AM (laMCB)

Incorrect.

There are three types of US citizenship: Natural-born citizens, native-born citizens and naturalized citizens. Think anchor babies for native born citizens.

Posted by: RickZ at January 25, 2016 03:03 AM (Ix+HS)

530 Thanks, Rick.
I pretty much knew all that, but was hoping someone here would convince me that it was a good idea to take in a heroin addict.I really want to give the guy a second chance (sixth or seventh chance?) and I want that damn money, too...

Posted by: Chi at January 25, 2016 03:16 AM (I7I0v)

531 The Founding Fathers knew what the term "natural born citizen" meant--it is a term of legal art in English common law. It means one thing and one thing only--born to two citizens in the actual country. They decided that the POTUS must be a natural born citizen, one whose citizenship could never be disputed, one who is beholding to no other country, one who is tied to this country for life. Other people can be granted citizenship by Congress and could hold every other office (except VP, because they have to be eligible to be President.) Thems the breaks.

Posted by: Darrell at January 25, 2016 12:58 AM (k2PBj)

Spot on. Nowadays, people try to reinterpret what the Funders took for granted. Don't believe me? Look at how their simple phrase in the 2nd Amendment 'shall not be infringed' has been reinterpreted out of all logical recognition and plain meaning.

Posted by: RickZ at January 25, 2016 03:22 AM (Ix+HS)

532 I was just musing over a thought experiment. Let's say some mysterious power, "The Assassin's Guild", made an offer -- "I understand you are a Trump supporter. We will undertake to liquidate every other candidate -- Republican or Democrat -- but, unfortunately, we'd have to liquidate Trump as well."

How many Trump supporters would say, "OK, sure"?

Now try that with Bernie supporters, Hillaristas, Cruzers, Carsonites.....even if it means to martyr "their guy", how many would hesitate to take out 10 members of the evil establishment?

I don't have a faint clue as to how you'd poll for that, but I have a feeling the results would make some folks uncomfortable. For the record, the 3% of decent Jeb supporters probably wouldn't bite.....but he's polling at 3%.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 03:48 AM (EzgxV)

533 I've seen Weirddave -- has anyone done a roll-call for the NoVaMoMe crowd to make sure everyone is ok? I'd hate to think there was a Moron waiting in the cold for the government to get its shit together.....

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 03:57 AM (EzgxV)

534 chi, I just accidentally wiped out a long comment.

Let me try again.

I'm not saying don't do it. By doing this, you may end up with a life-long friend who may do you a kindness later. I'm saying check out what are the legalities should things go south. Having a paying roommate may give that roommate legal protections you may not know about.

I'm in a similar situation to yours. I'm disabled. My rent doesn't go down and my SSDI doesn't go up. I took in a roommate, but I've known him for about two decades as he was my haircutter (which is a cash business). He's of Native American extraction, a former Marine who had an Uncle Sam vacation in Vietnam. I was worried about getting a roommate, but knowing I needed one for the cash, when all of a sudden out of the blue he showed up needing a room. Sheer serendipity. Also, when I moved to NYC, I moved in with my best friend from grade school (through high school). I slept on a sofa bed for over two years before another apartment in the building opened up and I moved into it (it was the apartment directly below where my friend lived). So my situation/experiences are different because I knew both before we each separately became roommates. I still am not thrilled with roommates, but one has to do what one has to do.

Just check legalities first. It's always good to have that knowledge, no matter what you decide with this person. Then trust your gut.

Posted by: RickZ at January 25, 2016 04:02 AM (Ix+HS)

535 Night all.

Here is "All we are" by Warlock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmnVNxEmBn4

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 25, 2016 04:03 AM (vBeA5)

536 Happy-ish Sunday Night, all y'all ...

Posted by: Adriane the Technophobe ... at January 25, 2016 04:06 AM (AoK0a)

537 Well fuck. I give you an awesome Elvis video and did even one of you mention it? No you did not.

[opens the Yoko ONT folder]

Posted by: Maetenloch at January 25, 2016 04:08 AM (wqVD1)

538 537
Well fuck. I give you an awesome Elvis video and did even one of you mention it? No you did not.

[opens the Yoko ONT folder]

Posted by: Maetenloch at January 25, 2016 04:08 AM (wqVD1)

Yes, we did -- @203. And all the rest of us felt that had expressed our feelings so well that we need not comment further.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 04:11 AM (EzgxV)

539 538
537

Well fuck. I give you an awesome Elvis video and did even one of you mention it? No you did not.

[opens the Yoko ONT folder]

Posted by: Maetenloch at January 25, 2016 04:08 AM (wqVD1)

Yes, we did -- @203. And all the rest of us felt that had expressed our feelings so well that we need not comment further.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 04:11 AM (EzgxV)

BTW, a few days back there was some interaction between Ira and I where he expressed outrage that I'd seen his wife's facebook or twitter pages and I pointed out that they were meant to be public while his many violations of my privacy were meant to be secure. AFAIK, they're still there....because he waited 'til the weekend. You may want to formalize your ONT handoffs.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 04:20 AM (EzgxV)

540 Well, I dug the Elvis video.

Posted by: otho at January 25, 2016 04:27 AM (EWg9n)

541 Every man has a Women who loves him is a good song.

The fact that Yoko One sings it ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PykGoJBgaYs

Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at January 25, 2016 04:33 AM (AoK0a)

542 Anyway.

Mate thanks for the ONT!

Long day, very tired, & tomorrow isn't looking any better ... but no snow ...

Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at January 25, 2016 04:35 AM (AoK0a)

543 Right on, A. The Yoko haters don't know shit.

Posted by: otho at January 25, 2016 04:35 AM (EWg9n)

544 How's the snow Down Under, otho ... heh, heh, heh ...

Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at January 25, 2016 04:40 AM (AoK0a)

545 I'm awake way too early.

Morning, Horde.

Posted by: fluffy at January 25, 2016 04:42 AM (AfsKp)

546 Send some... please. Mind you it's not too bad atm. Getting a break from the face melting. How's life in the desert?

Posted by: otho at January 25, 2016 04:43 AM (EWg9n)

547 Oh... and GO TEAM YOKO!

Posted by: otho at January 25, 2016 04:43 AM (EWg9n)

548 >>> Yoko Ono sings it...

That wasn't Yoko. Not a single cat bolted from the room.

Posted by: fluffy at January 25, 2016 04:49 AM (AfsKp)

549 LOL

Posted by: otho at January 25, 2016 04:50 AM (EWg9n)

550 That wasn't Yoko. Not a single cat bolted from the room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhaSjm-RBM4

Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at January 25, 2016 04:53 AM (AoK0a)

551 How's life in the desert?

Mild for winter, this last week. But always the possibility of cold snaps for another month-ish.

Have got to get plants in the garden ASAP or they will scorch come June. Not enough time for root development.

Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at January 25, 2016 04:55 AM (AoK0a)

552 Take care fluffy. Hope you are snow free or snow prepped...

Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at January 25, 2016 04:57 AM (AoK0a)

553 Occasionally, I get mice in my apartment on the third floor. Old pre-WWII building which has plenty of mice in the walls (can hear them sometimes). They get in through the heating covers, which have small square holes the tiny bastards can squeeze through. I don't get them often, but when they find their way into the apartment, they can't get out. I get one or two very infrequently; it's not like an infestation, just a minor annoyance.

So when I see one out of the corner of my eye (they are so fast, I sometimes wonder if I saw what I saw), it's time to go get the large glue traps. Usually, when I put the pair out (they come two to a package), it takes a couple of days to snag the bastard. Well, this one recently took about 10 days. When I put out the traps, I even baited them with peanut butter. But this one was not having any of it. When I'd work on the kitchen counter (he'd jump from the stove to the counter), I'd move the traps, which probably left too much human scent behind. But anyway, . . . So yesterday, I prepped a salad, moved the bowl (turning my back on the mouse's typical run), when all of a sudden he runs from behind the microwave and BANG! gets stopped dead in his tracks in the glue trap. This was the first time I ever witnessed a mouse actually getting stuck in the trap as usually it's an overnight revelation.

Glue traps: One of the greatest inventions of modern man. Boy do they beat the hell out of those trip wire mousetraps (and all the damaged fingers that have occurred because of them), and even poison as the mouse dies somewhere hidden out of the way and stinks the place up while decaying. I'm sure glue traps will soon be illegal because of the suffering of the mouse. Call me cruel but I. Don't. Care. When it comes to mice, I'm a serial killer with glue traps.

Posted by: RickZ at January 25, 2016 04:58 AM (Ix+HS)

554 Yoko groovin'... though it's pretty mainstream. Not the classic experimental stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfZvHuh7wKM

Posted by: otho at January 25, 2016 04:58 AM (EWg9n)

555 Thanks Adrienne.

We were at the northern periphery of the storm. It wasn't until I got home that I saw we had some fresh powder covering the melted rim at the edge of the driveway.

Posted by: fluffy at January 25, 2016 05:02 AM (AfsKp)

556 Mild for winter, this last week. But always the possibility of cold snaps for another month-ish.

Have got to get plants in the garden ASAP or they will scorch come June. Not enough time for root development.

Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at January 25, 2016 04:55 AM

Enjoy the winter, A. I know I do. Better than Satan's BBQ.

Posted by: otho at January 25, 2016 05:04 AM (EWg9n)

557 553
Occasionally, I get mice in my apartment on the third floor. Old
pre-WWII building which has plenty of mice in the walls (can hear them
sometimes). They get in through the heating covers, which have small
square holes the tiny bastards can squeeze through. I don't get them
often, but when they find their way into the apartment, they can't get
out. I get one or two very infrequently; it's not like an infestation,
just a minor annoyance.

So when I see one out of the corner of my eye (they are so fast, I
sometimes wonder if I saw what I saw), it's time to go get the large
glue traps. Usually, when I put the pair out (they come two to a
package), it takes a couple of days to snag the bastard. Well, this one
recently took about 10 days. When I put out the traps, I even baited
them with peanut butter. But this one was not having any of it. When
I'd work on the kitchen counter (he'd jump from the stove to the
counter), I'd move the traps, which probably left too much human scent
behind. But anyway, . . . So yesterday, I prepped a salad, moved the
bowl (turning my back on the mouse's typical run), when all of a sudden
he runs from behind the microwave and BANG! gets stopped dead in his
tracks in the glue trap. This was the first time I ever witnessed a
mouse actually getting stuck in the trap as usually it's an overnight
revelation.

Glue traps: One of the greatest inventions of modern man. Boy do
they beat the hell out of those trip wire mousetraps (and all the
damaged fingers that have occurred because of them), and even poison as
the mouse dies somewhere hidden out of the way and stinks the place up
while decaying. I'm sure glue traps will soon be illegal because of the
suffering of the mouse. Call me cruel but I. Don't. Care. When it
comes to mice, I'm a serial killer with glue traps.

Posted by: RickZ at January 25, 2016 04:58 AM (Ix+HS)

One of the things about being a serious tropical fish hobbyist.....you can never have too many small fish, because you have a bunch of large fish that are hungry.

Get yourself a beautiful pet like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rainbow_boa_peruvian.jpg and you'll never regret getting rid of mice.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 25, 2016 05:07 AM (EzgxV)

558 Posted by:�RickZ�at January 25, 2016 04:58 AM (Ix+HS)

Have you considered a .410 shotgun? Light loads, won't damage the walls (much), and let's face it, it would be even more fun than glue traps.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2016 05:09 AM (Zu3d9)

559 534 ok, that was bad.

Posted by: fluffy at January 25, 2016 05:11 AM (AfsKp)

560 Time to feed my purring sharks. They earned their keep by ridding the place of mice. Just ask them.

Posted by: fluffy at January 25, 2016 05:13 AM (AfsKp)

561
534 ok, that was bad.

Posted by: fluffy at January 25, 2016 05:11 AM

It's fantastic. "One day we'll evaporate together." That's genius, right there, daddio.

Posted by: otho at January 25, 2016 05:14 AM (EWg9n)

562 In reflecting on trumpmania, I am mildly amused by how people keep shouting "populist!" and "demagogue!" at the trump.

Whaddya want, a monarchy? Populism and demagoguery are core features of democracy. Kings and other unelected rulers can get away with being unpopular. But democracy is deliberately intended to have populism as its safety valve: if the bastards misbehave, we vote them out of office because we don't like them. Not saying that it's a very effective safety valve, mind you, only that it's built into the system. Trump is the logical conclusion of full democracy, where the vote is the sacred right of each and every mouthbreather that can get to a voting booth (and some who can't), and charisma is the primary qualification for presidency.

Posted by: Blackbutt the Pirate at January 25, 2016 05:37 AM (VOlXq)

563 Have you considered a .410 shotgun? Light loads, won't damage the walls (much), and let's face it, it would be even more fun than glue traps.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2016 05:09 AM (Zu3d9)

Living in NYC, I couldn't even own a BB gun.
------

No, cthulhu, no snakes for me. I have never understood the allure (or fun) of having a snake for a 'pet'.

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534 ok, that was bad.

Posted by: fluffy at January 25, 2016 05:11 AM (AfsKp)

If that was directed at me, I don't understand.

Posted by: RickZ at January 25, 2016 05:38 AM (Ix+HS)

564 Posted by: Blackbutt the Pirate at January 25, 2016 05:37 AM (VOlXq)

That's a good point re: populism.

Posted by: RickZ at January 25, 2016 06:01 AM (Ix+HS)

565 Posted by: Blackbutt the Pirate at January 25, 2016 05:37 AM (VOlXq)

Good point. I'd only add a little to it. These days, it's gotten so bad that you can't even tell that we're supposed to have a representative government. A little populism is preferable to an entrenched ruling class that is unaccountable to the governed.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 25, 2016 06:16 AM (J+mig)

566 Nood EMT

Posted by: Tim in GA at January 25, 2016 06:25 AM (gEJzy)

567 A little populism is preferable to an entrenched ruling class that is unaccountable to the governed.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 25, 2016 06:16 AM (J+mig)

What makes the 'entrenched ruling class' even worse is the hereditary nature of our political mandarins today. There are many examples of the hereditary aspect of this problem: The Kennedys, the Carnahans, the Cuomos, the Clintons, the Pelosis, et.al. A possible third Bush president in less than 30 years says it all. We shouldn't have political dynasties, period.

Posted by: RickZ at January 25, 2016 06:29 AM (Ix+HS)

568 "The disturbing part is that it's probably more true than not. I figure
Trump would lose maybe 10% tops after a random 5th Avenue shooting. And
depending on whom he shot he might even gain."

The disturbing part is that someone would actually believe this to be true versus it being just some hyperbolic expression of appreciation of the loyalty of his supporters.

But hey, I get it. Go ahead and get your "his supporters are just like Obama supporters" freak on.

Posted by: rebel flounder at January 25, 2016 07:11 AM (3dOE/)

569 RE: Real Housewives Of Colombia
"'In the FARC we never touch money.
Everything is given to us, from medicine to cigarettes. That's why there
is no dependency in which she expects me to provide for her,' Alexis
said."
But your dependency on those giving you medicine and cigs is okay? Living under leftism is essentially like being someone's domesticated pet, frozen at an infantile perception of the world.

Posted by: rechill at January 25, 2016 09:14 AM (IIRUt)

570 regarding:

On Trump and 'I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters'

Hooh boy. Don Surber puts Trump's comment in a bit more context but still - it's a pretty odd and rather egomaniacal boast.

kinda like Hillary actually posting top secret emails on unsecured server and exposing human intelligent agents , and nothing being done about her crimes?

Posted by: hariette at January 25, 2016 04:06 PM (YMH9o)

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