Former CIA Official: There Is "Zero Ambiguity," Hillary Clinton Broke the Law and the FBI Has No Other Choice But to Recommend a Criminal Grand Jury

Guy Benson:

In a powerful interview on Fox News' America's Newsroom, former CIA officer Charles Faddis delivered succinct, devastating responses to anchor Bill Hemmer's questions about the latest revelations pertaining to Hillary Clinton's email scandal. The segment was conducted in a grave tone, with network judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano concluding that it's "hard to believe that the FBI will not recommend indictment for Mrs. Clinton."
Why? Regarding the mishandling of classified material (the ongoing FBI probe has expanded into other areas as well), the law, the burden of proof, and the facts already made public all cut against her: Clinton's apparent crime is “the negligent treatment, the failure to protect national security secrets. The government does not have to show that she intended to treat them negligently. The government does not have to show harm. It only has to show negligent treatment. The evidence is overwhelming,” he said.

An important thing here is that there is simply no question that Hillary or one of her trusted aides deliberately and knowingly took this information off the secured system and put it into the unsecured private email -- something which is specifically forbidden by the law. There is no other explanation for its presence there.

Its mere presence on her unsecured private server is proof of a crime.

Team Hillary's response is more of the same: Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, LOL.

Clinton's campaign responded by attacking the Intelligence Community directly.
"This is the same interagency dispute that has been playing out for months, and it does not change the fact that these emails were not classified at the time they were sent or received," campaign spokesman Brian Fallon said in a statement to ABC News.
"It is alarming that the intelligence community IG, working with Republicans in Congress, continues to selectively leak materials in order to resurface the same allegations and try to hurt Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. The Justice Department's inquiry should be allowed to proceed without any further interference."
The head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Richard Burr (R-NC), denied the claim from Fallon. "I didn't conspire with anybody," he told ABC News.

Interestingly, the emails on Hillary's servers are so secret that the lawmakers investigating this situation do not have the clearance to read them.

Some of Hillary Clinton's emails on her private server contained information so secret that senior lawmakers who oversee the State Department cannot read them without fulfilling additional security requirements, Fox News has learned.
The emails in question, as Fox News first reported earlier this week, contained intelligence classified at a level beyond "top secret." Because of this designation, not all the lawmakers on key committees reviewing the case have high enough clearances.

The Clintons have gotten away with so much law-breaking for so long they thought themselves untouchable.

But this time, this time -- Hillary just might have schlonged herself.

And that sounds just about right.

Posted by: Ace at 02:18 PM

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1
So what will come of all this?

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 02:19 PM (g99AB)

2 And?

Posted by: freaked at January 21, 2016 02:19 PM (MPBgK)

3 So does this just come down to whether the Obama administration wants the DoJ to take her down or is the power of actual law strong enough to compel consequences?

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 21, 2016 02:19 PM (1xUj/)

4 Someone else will take the fall, and Hillary will sail on.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 21, 2016 02:20 PM (B8JRQ)

5
It'd be great if Sanders is the D nom.

But instead of holding out hope that Clinton loses to Sanders or she gets indicted, it'd be better if we all voted in the D primaries for Sanders.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 02:21 PM (g99AB)

6 Clearance? You mean, like in a parking garage?

Posted by: Hillary! at January 21, 2016 02:23 PM (RQDhf)

7 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at January 21, 2016 02:23 PM (kff5f)

8 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at January 21, 2016 02:23 PM (kff5f)

9 And now... back to work.

Dammit.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at January 21, 2016 02:23 PM (kff5f)

10
Clearance, Clarence?

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 02:23 PM (g99AB)

11 I don't think this is the kind of offense she can pass the buck on.

But lord knows she'll try.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 21, 2016 02:23 PM (RQDhf)

12 What about the "wiping" of the server before handing it to the FBI?

How is that not obstruction of justice? I would think that could be even more serious.

Posted by: Tobasco at January 21, 2016 02:24 PM (mwpXo)

13 Hillary! "caused grave harm to National Security"

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 21, 2016 02:24 PM (TxRU7)

14 She will probably do at least twice as much jail time as Sandy Berger.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 21, 2016 02:24 PM (1RNgT)

15 It was on Faux News, it don't mean shit.

Posted by: LIV at January 21, 2016 02:25 PM (8aOqE)

16 And I'm tired of her campaigns stupid it wasn't classified at the time shit: markings have nothing to do with if information is classified or not.

The terrain is not the map.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 21, 2016 02:25 PM (RQDhf)

17 Fitzmas for realsies?

Posted by: nickd at January 21, 2016 02:25 PM (+SreB)

18 Sure would be nice to know who's doing all this leaking, and why. Depends, I suppose.

Posted by: Oldbuffalo at January 21, 2016 02:26 PM (/5Q2R)

19 Oh, on FAUX news? Ha! Ha! Ha!

Whatever, Dude! That was like, two years ago!

IGNORE!

Posted by: Typical Liberal at January 21, 2016 02:26 PM (RBGtZ)

20 18 - Hillary!'s Depends are leaking?

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at January 21, 2016 02:27 PM (ucB75)

21 Scooter Libby was unavailable for comment.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 21, 2016 02:27 PM (ud4cw)

22 Clinton stated this to NPR;

"This seems to me to be, you know, another effort to inject this into the campaign, it's another leak,", she said. "I'm just going to leave it up to the professionals at the Justice Department because nothing that this says changes the fact that I never sent or received material marked classified".

You think skipping right over the FBI to DoJ was a Freudian slip? I believe it was, and she already knows DoJ has her back.

The fix is in.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 21, 2016 02:27 PM (GGCsk)

23 Rush talked about this at length this morning. Basically the FBI's reputation is completely on the line here. They've not had a reputation for being political, but that all may change here soon if they don't indict Hillary.

Posted by: other joe_mama at January 21, 2016 02:27 PM (13W9U)

24 Hillary, like Obama, don't actually do anything. They just make speeches, so any violations were not done by the principles. It was done by staff.

That is why Obama fights so hard for us in D.C. trying to get those Washington Insiders to do the right thing.

Hillary is as disappointed in her staff as we are.

Posted by: J. Felger at January 21, 2016 02:27 PM (6Go9d)

25
With 13 Hours movie being out and heavily promoted, now is the time to go back to the Benghazi scandal, not this.

But the R's aren't serious about Benghazi. Never were. And they're not serious about this email scandal.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 02:27 PM (g99AB)

26 Well, to be fair, laws are also part of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

So, you know, she din't do nuttin' wrong.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 21, 2016 02:28 PM (fQ/0p)

27 Aaaaand Ambassador Stevens could not be reached for comment.

She endangered more lives than the ones we already know about that the MSM ignores.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 21, 2016 02:28 PM (NOIQH)

28 The Clinton administration brought us a major scandal every 90 days for eight years. And yet Bill is likely to croak, free as a bird, while being serviced by an underage nymphet or ten.

I've no doubt Hillary! can beat this.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at January 21, 2016 02:28 PM (bpn7O)

29 Yeah, but no matter what the FBI wants isn't it up to the AG to prosecute? That's the problem.

Posted by: HH at January 21, 2016 02:28 PM (DrCtv)

30 21. You got it!

Posted by: Oldbuffalo at January 21, 2016 02:28 PM (/5Q2R)

31 My guess is this entire investigation is working under the "can of worms" principle. Hitting her on this might reveal how every agency head and secretary in the Obama administration is doing exactly the same thing.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 02:28 PM (39g3+)

32 She may have slonged herself but Sid Blumenthal gets an honorable mention.

Now the temptation is to go for the obvious.

Not gonna do it.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 21, 2016 02:29 PM (fbovC)

33 Do liberals believe the "x" in "Faux" is pronounced?

Posted by: Kensington at January 21, 2016 02:29 PM (7Kbxu)

34 she's only out for herself

her associates, her friends, other women, national security?

screw them, she says

she is a vile piece of work

Posted by: Feh at January 21, 2016 02:29 PM (9iYoJ)

35 Wait. Is Hillary starring in "You've Got Mail, The Sequel"- or did I get that wrong?

Posted by: Marcus T at January 21, 2016 02:29 PM (GGCsk)

36 What difference does it make???

Posted by: Hillary Clinton in Front of a Grand Jury at January 21, 2016 02:30 PM (7Kbxu)

37 Much to do about nothing

Posted by: #TheCriminalHillaryClinton at January 21, 2016 02:30 PM (e8kgV)

38 My old man is a (long) retired SAC intel guy. He says she's toast. As a former top-level security clearance holder he says it is plainly explained to you that "accidents" or intent have nothing to do with national security law. There are no "my bads!" or "oopsies!" when it comes to classified documents, only were you responsible for mishandling any classified information and endangered the security of the country.
The reaction form the national security community if she is not charged will be epic, and rightfully so.

Posted by: Alamo at January 21, 2016 02:30 PM (2XJxO)

39 Also, news from SHOT show is that the CMP 1911's are going to start at $1,000.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 21, 2016 02:30 PM (RQDhf)

40
Keep in mind, while all this is going on, the media is going over Rick Snyder's emails thoroughly for what he knew and when he knew about his water scandal.

But, yeah, keep up the good work, Benson Guy.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 02:30 PM (g99AB)

41 She's dependable. Just ask the Embassy Staff in Libya. Those who are actually still breathing.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 21, 2016 02:30 PM (GGCsk)

42 >>An important thing here is that there is simply no question that Hillary
or one of her trusted aides deliberately and knowingly took this
information off the secured system and put it into the unsecured private
email

Which makes one wonder when they'll get around to:

---Who did this, and did they have clearance to see/access this stuff
--- How do we know these pilfered docs didn't go to email servers other than Hillary's, such as Sid Blumenthal's freakin' AOL account - that was hacked by Guccifer?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 21, 2016 02:30 PM (NOIQH)

43 "I never sent or received material marked classified"

carefully vetted for legal reasons

but did she instruct others to send and receive such material on her behalf?

absolutely yes

prosecute and prison

Posted by: Feh at January 21, 2016 02:31 PM (9iYoJ)

44 The American people are sick and tired of your damned lies!

Posted by: Bernie Sanders Schumer at January 21, 2016 02:31 PM (2lndx)

45 Election is in ten months, and Hilary is going to continue to stonewall this as long as possible. If indicted, she'll just delay trial until after the election, again, claiming publically that this is an election year partisan witchhunt.

If she wins the election, she's going to effectively pardon herself (legally or illegally). If not, she's going to bet that her opponent, the new President, (Cruz or Trump, or whomever) isn't going to want to be appear engaged in a vindictive prosecution.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 02:31 PM (ji45d)

46 Not a big deal: Hillary carelessly, recklessly, illegally handled classified, above-top-secret emails.

A big deal: Ted Cruz took out a loan and didn't mark it down in the right place.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 21, 2016 02:31 PM (pVkEV)

47 We will have a 21st. century version of Nixon's "Saturday Night Massacre," but of course nobody will get fired and nobody will get indicted.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 21, 2016 02:32 PM (Zu3d9)

48 she belongs in an orange pantsuit

Posted by: Feh at January 21, 2016 02:32 PM (9iYoJ)

49 I'll know it's over for Hellary when a little girl throws a bucket of water on her.
and, something something silver bullet, and
Van Helsing sticks a stake through her heart, and
her casket is glued, nailed, screwed and banded shut.

Until then, she's a viable democrat candidate for president.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 21, 2016 02:32 PM (kKHcp)

50 Don't worry, Biden is warming up in the bullpen.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 02:33 PM (gmeXX)

51 I love the "the information was innocuous" spin Shrillary's camp is pushing. Guess what, the info divulged may very well be, but classification exists to protect the means of collection, not just the info itself.

Posted by: no good deed at January 21, 2016 02:33 PM (GgxVX)

52 So...which one of Hillary's aides are going to jail for this?
We know Hillary wasn't doing any of this document transferring herself - granny doesn't even know how to fax or program her DVR.

This is more than just Hillary - there were others involved. By design, for plausible deniability.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 21, 2016 02:33 PM (NOIQH)

53 "her opponent, the new President, (Cruz or Trump, or whomever) isn't going to want to be appear engaged in a vindictive prosecution. "

I disagree

the time has come to clean house, and this would be part of it

either America is governed by the rule of law, or it is not

a new administration will have to be on one side or the other

Posted by: Feh at January 21, 2016 02:33 PM (9iYoJ)

54 And no one said nood.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 02:34 PM (2x3L+)

55 There were no top secret markings on the e-mails at the time they were sent. No violation, no story. Pure partisan demagoguery on the part of Republicans.

Now, for some weirdly inappropriate cackling laughter.

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

*splttttttt*

Air gap!

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...

Posted by: Hillary the Methane Monster at January 21, 2016 02:34 PM (/f6Nd)

56 That "the information is innocuous" line sounds like an admission of guilt to me.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 21, 2016 02:34 PM (RQDhf)

57 My husband made me a laughingstock.

I'm going to jail.

I CAN'T GET THE TASTE OF HILLARY OUT OF MY MOUTH.

I was supposed to be the Queen of New York City!!!!

Posted by: Huma Abedin at January 21, 2016 02:34 PM (7Kbxu)

58 The FBI can't bring an indictment.

It has to come from Lynch or a special prosecutor.

Scankles will walk again.

Posted by: Valiant at January 21, 2016 02:34 PM (2bqlb)

59 any FBI agents reading here need to remember that if the AG refuses to prosecute Clinton, it falls upon you to arrest the AG for obstruction of justice, failure to perform office, or somesuch.

People that distort the rule of law should suffer the loss of protections that rule of law provides.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at January 21, 2016 02:34 PM (A9KzJ)

60 43
"I never sent or received material marked classified"

carefully vetted for legal reasons
===

No. That statement isn't a legal defense at all. Its a POLITICAL one. She's trying to have the public think that this mishandling of classified material was accidental, and/or unimportant.

Parsing the statement does NOT look good for her.

*SHE* didn't send the material. . .her subordinates did, acting under her direction. Doesn't matter. . .it was still her responsibility to ensure it was handled correctly. It wasn't MARKED "classified" because she illegally stripped the classification markings off. And whether or not it was wasn't MARKED classified doesn't change anything. Its still illegal to mishandle this information, as as mentioned above, the very fact that it was found on her non-secure server means it was mishandled.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 02:34 PM (ji45d)

61 I never sent or received material marked classified

What cracks me up is that she's clearly more worried about perjury than espionage. She's careful to word this in such a way that its technically true but irrelevant. It doesn't matter if it was marked or not.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 02:34 PM (39g3+)

62 sock off

Nada zip zilch will happen so.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 21, 2016 02:34 PM (fWAjv)

63 Forget Hillary! What I really want to know is who does Ted Cruz think he is getting a loan???

Posted by: Trump Superfan wearing his best "Who Farted?" t-shirt at January 21, 2016 02:35 PM (UnJ7w)

64 Even Biden thinks this is a "big F'n deal".

Posted by: Marcus T at January 21, 2016 02:35 PM (GGCsk)

65 I like the idea of this as a plot device for the next season of "Orange is New Black."

Posted by: Dan Jeyn at January 21, 2016 02:35 PM (RBGtZ)

66 Don't worry, Biden is warming up in the bullpen.

Dude, assume the Republicans schlong themselves. Not a stretch, right?

So it's Hillary! or the Bern?

President Biden sounds OK at that point.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 21, 2016 02:35 PM (1xUj/)

67 Yeah, no indictments. No jail time. Nothing.

It's good to be a member of the Protected Class.

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at January 21, 2016 02:35 PM (gisJf)

68 When Hillary drops out of the race, she will receive a de facto pardon from both sides.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 02:35 PM (gmeXX)

69 "Huma"

that's another one

to see the whole rotted thing come crashing down

very satisfying

Posted by: Feh at January 21, 2016 02:36 PM (9iYoJ)

70 >>That "the information is innocuous" line sounds like an admission of guilt to me.

"It's not really stealing if it's just a candy bar here or there, and it's not like the store can't afford the loss..."

Posted by: Lizzy at January 21, 2016 02:36 PM (NOIQH)

71 When Hillary drops out of the race, she will receive a de facto pardon from both sides.

--

Heb! will likely give her another award.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 21, 2016 02:36 PM (pVkEV)

72 And no one said nood.
Posted by: L, Elle

I did, too.

Well, I said nude Hillary.

Hah!

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 21, 2016 02:36 PM (1xUj/)

73 Charles Faddis? Never heard of him.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at January 21, 2016 02:36 PM (OD2ni)

74 So who is Hillary! setting up to fall on his/her sword for her.

Huma?

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 21, 2016 02:37 PM (cFxp4)

75 any FBI agents reading here need to remember that if the AG refuses to prosecute Clinton, it falls upon you to arrest the AG for obstruction of justice, failure to perform office, or somesuch.

Great idea in theory, but then who's going to prosecute them?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 02:37 PM (39g3+)

76 looking closely

good, I stand corrected

Posted by: Feh at January 21, 2016 02:37 PM (9iYoJ)

77 #59
No FBI agent is going to take it on their own to arrest the Attorney General. Are you insane? In fairness, like any prosecutor, the AG does enjoy some latitude to decide what type of prosecution to pursue.

In this particular case, there is a significant systematic reason TO prosecute. As Hilary put it herself, no individual should be "too big to jail", and if she herself doesn't face the same legal process that (say) one of her subordinates would have caught doing this, there will be no public faith in Federal law enforcement.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 02:37 PM (ji45d)

78 If she isn't indicted then it will be obvious to even the most obtuse that we are no longer a country of laws. Where we go from there who the hell knows.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2016 02:37 PM (gAZx+)

79 Gauntlets now being thrown down.

They better hurry the eff up. Unless that's what they want.

Hillary wins the primaries but at the convention declines the nomination. This forces the DNC to oh so reluctantly NAME a candidate of their choice. (and it isn't gonna be Bernie Sanders)

I can see this playing out like that.

And on the GOPe side, they'll also arrange a convention where they reluctantly aren't able to say a candidate won the race so they will have to name a candidate. (and we know who that is don't we?)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 21, 2016 02:37 PM (Xo1Rt)

80 We have to prove we can govern by making sure nothing happens to Hillary Clinton.

But BY GOD are we going to bring down the WRATH OF GOD on Ted Cruz and the Tea Party!

Posted by: The GOPe at January 21, 2016 02:37 PM (7Kbxu)

81 Letting her off would force a review of every person who has been prosecuted for the same offense. It's basically an amnesty for people who mishandled classified intelligence. That probably would include Petreaus. If I was his lawyer, I would file.

It will also hurt future prosecutions. If the bar is that low, other people will skate.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 21, 2016 02:38 PM (GGCsk)

82 I'M READY FOR BIDEN 2016!

Posted by: CozMark at January 21, 2016 02:38 PM (CbGSW)

83
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Posted by: THIS!!!! IS CNN at January 21, 2016 02:38 PM (8XRCm)

84 So who is Hillary! setting up to fall on his/her sword for her.

Blumenthal seems like a guy who'll do anything for the cause.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 02:38 PM (39g3+)

85 If she didn't commit the crime of the mail server, she couldn't have committed the crimes of the graft, the misuse of classified data, and the gun running.

Its not some little technical violation.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 21, 2016 02:38 PM (oVJmc)

86 Who cares? Now watch me make stupid faces while I make fun of Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Stephen Colbert at January 21, 2016 02:38 PM (OD2ni)

87 the AG does enjoy some latitude to decide what type of prosecution to pursue

-----------

Let's be clear - in no way is this the decision of the AG.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 02:38 PM (gmeXX)

88
What is the over/under on how much money gets transferred from The Foundation for Clintons to the Foundation for Obamas in exchange for a full pardon?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 21, 2016 02:39 PM (ODxAs)

89 The Clintons have gotten away with so much law-breaking for so long they thought themselves untouchable.

But this time, this time -- Hillary just might have schlonged herself.

And that sounds just about right.

Your keyboard to God's ears.

This does prove that Hillary views Republicans as her chief enemy. After all, the server set up was to insure that Republicans never saw her emails. She didn't care if the Norks, China and Putin did.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at January 21, 2016 02:39 PM (mf5HN)

90 Just remember that when Monica Lewinsky became radioactive in the Clinton White House, she was "transferred" to the Pentagon, where she was promptly given SCI/Top Secret clearance.

Posted by: mrp at January 21, 2016 02:39 PM (JBggj)

91 >>>> Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 21, 2016 02:36 PM (1xUj/)
-----
You did indeed. I just went downstairs to tell them.

So, I think we should hijack all the threads now to avoid the circular firing squad.

How old were you when you lost your virginity?

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 02:39 PM (2x3L+)

92 No indictment ever fed a hungry child.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 21, 2016 02:39 PM (FkBIv)

93 >>That "the information is innocuous" line sounds like an admission of guilt to me.

That's like the classic fifth line defense.

My client wasn't even THERE that night.
And if he was there, he wasn't drinking valu-rite.
And if he were drinking valu-rite, he certainly never encountered that hobo.
And if he had encountered a hobo, he definitely didn't attack the hobo.
Which, by the, way, if he did, the hobo was TOTALLY asking for it.
And the hobo's wounds were really superficial, barely a scratch.

Etc.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 02:40 PM (ji45d)

94 I changed my spell check such that if I type 'Hilla' - it suggests 'unindicted felon'

Posted by: GregV61 at January 21, 2016 02:40 PM (6SFoW)

95 >>Huma?

Honestly think that's the one person she won't throw under the bus.
Huma is her "brain", her second daughter, her gatekeeper and most trusted aide (and likely the one who gets stuff dine as Hillary wavers between lucidity and confusion). Huma spends the night in Hillary's hotel room to make sure she's OK (at least that's what the Hillary insider said).

Posted by: Lizzy at January 21, 2016 02:40 PM (NOIQH)

96
But Hillary! frog marching in an orange pants suit will scare the kids.

Posted by: George Stufagerbilass at January 21, 2016 02:40 PM (q4hvt)

97 It took Loretta Lynch 7 seconds to decide if she'd fuck Hillary or not.

Not.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 21, 2016 02:40 PM (fWAjv)

98 I still don't think anything will happen. All this shit is rigged, people.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 21, 2016 02:41 PM (UnJ7w)

99 Okay...let's play this out.

Hillary gets indicted and withdraws from the election.

Does the DNC immediately draft someone and petition each state for relaxation of registration laws because of the "Special Circumstances?"

And who would be drafted? Biden? Cory Booker? Michelle Obama?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 21, 2016 02:41 PM (Zu3d9)

100 -
Oh, I don't want anything else
When I think about power
I schlong myself

Posted by: The DiRodhams at January 21, 2016 02:41 PM (pMGkg)

101 Its mere presence on her unsecured private server is proof of a crime.

That can not be said enough, despite her "it was allowed" bs.

In fact, the mere fact there was a private server at all is a crime.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 21, 2016 02:41 PM (ODxAs)

102 Well, I must admit, this Hillary situation is certainly interesting.

Posted by: J. Felger at January 21, 2016 02:41 PM (6Go9d)

103 No flaming skulls?

Posted by: Lurker Primus at January 21, 2016 02:41 PM (tHP3B)

104 "This does prove that Hillary views Republicans as her chief enemy. After all, the server set up was to insure that Republicans never saw her emails. She didn't care if the Norks, China and Putin did."

and if by some cruel twist of fate she's elected POTUS, they will have her, and the entire country, over a barrel

think of the opportunities for blackmail

are Dems this stupid?

Posted by: Feh at January 21, 2016 02:42 PM (9iYoJ)

105 She's like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man with hair.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 21, 2016 02:42 PM (GGCsk)

106 A loyal Clinton toady who was Hillary's subordinate at State will be promised a short sentence in comfortable circumstances and a cozy sinecure when she gets out. Please take note of the gender I used there.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at January 21, 2016 02:42 PM (RD7QR)

107 "Hillary just might have schlonged herself."

God, please wipe my mind clean.

Amen.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quench Your Fires with Ice Scream at the Outrage Outlet! at January 21, 2016 02:42 PM (hLRSq)

108 "Great idea in theory, but then who's going to prosecute them?"

the underlying problem is that once the rule of law is no longer adhered to, what is left? actual force

if Clinton does not go to jail, the rule of law is publicly shredded.

in times of disorder, restoring order requires acting first. clinton, lynch, and anyone else in the obama admin that violates law, hint hint, can sit in jail cells until things get sorted out.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at January 21, 2016 02:42 PM (A9KzJ)

109 >>Let's be clear - in no way is this the decision of the AG.

In practice, or on paper?

Stipulating that I agree 100% with you, that ultimately the POTUS is going to make the call on whether or not Clinton gets prosecuted, in theory the AG has the ability to make the decision.

And I also think the "fix" is in here. There is almost no way HRC and Obama haven't already struck some arrangement here. Doesn't mean that Obama can't "schlong" her later, but I think they're just going to try and drag his out as long as possible.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 02:43 PM (ji45d)

110 But this time, this time -- Hillary just might have schlonged herself.

Phrasing!

Posted by: Lea at January 21, 2016 02:43 PM (lIU4e)

111 "Its mere presence on her unsecured private server is proof of a crime."

The mere presence of her unsecured private server is proof of a crime.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 21, 2016 02:43 PM (n4tk6)

112 Any first date dating advice for Mrs. Sid Blumenthal?

Hahaha.

Matt Drudge will have the siren up for days if Sid Blumenthal goes down.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 21, 2016 02:43 PM (fbovC)

113 Barack Obama

Lorretta Lynch

Eric Holder

Hillary Clinton

"Three of these things belong together.
Threes of these things are kinda the same.
But one of these things is not like the others
And now its time to play the game"

Posted by: fixerupper at January 21, 2016 02:43 PM (8XRCm)

114 And who would be drafted? Biden? Cory Booker? Michelle Obama?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 21, 2016 02:41 PM (Zu3d9)

You forgot woo woo warren

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 02:43 PM (kzdjp)

115 they will have her, and the entire country, over a barrel
Posted by: Feh at January 21, 2016 02:42 PM (9iYoJ)

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!

Posted by: The Barrel at January 21, 2016 02:43 PM (UnJ7w)

116 With 13 Hours movie being out and heavily promoted, now is the time to go back to the Benghazi scandal, not this.

But the R's aren't serious about Benghazi. Never were. And they're not serious about this email scandal.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 02:27 PM (g99AB)

They fucked it up and blew all the momentum that investigation had by not nailing her to the wall during the hearing.

Just like they did with PP.

Too stupid to live.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at January 21, 2016 02:43 PM (xuouz)

117 IF Hillary is not indicted-as Ii expect she won't be I wouldn't be adverse to some well armed, fit men frog marching her out of her residence.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2016 02:44 PM (w4NZ8)

118 I demand reparations in the form of showering with Kate Upton.

Posted by: Weasel at January 21, 2016 02:44 PM (6xtq3)

119 Well, I'm good with it, as long as I don't have to schlong her.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 21, 2016 02:44 PM (OZmbA)

120 Hillary had classified information on a server that she has admitted was set up for her and which she owned.

Sorry, that alone should get a conviction.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 21, 2016 02:44 PM (GGCsk)

121 Wow. That VRWC really *is* vast. Vaster. Maybe the vastest evar.

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at January 21, 2016 02:44 PM (ml1PM)

122 Key line. "I never sent or received material marked classified".

Well you did instruct employees to remove said markings just so you could make that claim. That in and of itself is a felony.

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at January 21, 2016 02:44 PM (JOG+K)

123 ...just sitting over here with my kernels of wisdom at the ready!

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 21, 2016 02:44 PM (tIZBh)

124 So, I think we should hijack all the threads now to avoid the circular firing squad.

How old were you when you lost your virginity?
Posted by: L, Elle

18. Never really got anywhere in high school. The regime and the atmosphere of the parental units were crushing.

So, orientation week at college, the minute I was free. Afternoon, girl I'd just met, dorm room door unlocked because I was afraid she'd change her mind if I paused to get up and lock it.

I've liked it a little dangerous ever since.

You?

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 21, 2016 02:44 PM (1xUj/)

125 FEEL THE BERN!!!!

Posted by: Old Man Yelling At Clouds at January 21, 2016 02:44 PM (DLu2s)

126 >>> Rush talked about this at length this morning. Basically the FBI's reputation is completely on the line here. They've not had a reputation for being political, but that all may change here soon if they don't indict Hillary.

Petraeus is possibly going to be stripped a star and his pension because of what he leaked to his mistress, and that is nothingburgers compared to what Hillary has done. Ugh.

Posted by: LizLem at January 21, 2016 02:44 PM (hvf9s)

127 Expect massive deployment of the What Difference defense.

I tried the Spilt Milk defense as a kid. The Supreme Parents were unanimous for the prosecution.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at January 21, 2016 02:44 PM (FtrY1)

128 106
A loyal Clinton toady who was Hillary's subordinate at State will be
promised a short sentence in comfortable circumstances and a cozy
sinecure when she gets out. Please take note of the gender I used there.
===

They may try that (again), but its going to be a lot harder to pull that off this time. Its not going to please the FBI, that undoubtedly has forensic evidence of Hilary's digital fingerprints all over this.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 02:45 PM (ji45d)

129 Someone's Depends aren't marked leaky?

Posted by: DM at January 21, 2016 02:45 PM (j/tOh)

130 In practice, or on paper?

---------

Both. On paper (the Constitution), the executive is vested in the President alone - no one else. And in practice. In no way does the AG prosecute a former cabinet member, first lady, or leading candidate (and in this case all 3) without the approval of the President.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 02:45 PM (gmeXX)

131 there will be no public faith in Federal law enforcement.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 02:37 PM (ji45d)

You make the false assumption that people have any faith in that now.

LiB

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at January 21, 2016 02:45 PM (JOG+K)

132 Okay...let's play this out.

Hillary gets indicted and withdraws from the election.

Does the DNC immediately draft someone and petition each state for relaxation of registration laws because of the "Special Circumstances?"

And who would be drafted? Biden? Cory Booker? Michelle Obama?

Jim "The Torch" Toricelli is tanned, rested, and ready.

Posted by: VJay at January 21, 2016 02:45 PM (A/5jj)

133 that's Reason #1,832 the GOPe must die

Posted by: Feh at January 21, 2016 02:45 PM (9iYoJ)

134 "Blumenthal seems like a guy who'll do anything for the cause.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor"

Blumenthal is like the guy from The Last Emperor that drinks the blue paint when ordered to do so.

Posted by: Benji Carver at January 21, 2016 02:45 PM (OD2ni)

135 are Dems this stupid?

Is that a trick question?

Truth is, they don't care. They've trained their mob to react to silly triggers: Save Abortion! The Gayz! Racists!

And to think America is evil, evil, evil.

They won't hesitate to let America suffer in the name of their Pavlovian responses.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 21, 2016 02:45 PM (oVJmc)

136 Once Hill's behind bars and this campaign crap is over, I'm off to pedo island.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 21, 2016 02:46 PM (OZmbA)

137

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, ~~LOL~~ Shrieking Hyena.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 21, 2016 02:46 PM (qCMvj)

138 I can't even believe this is up for discussion and she is not already in chains in super max

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 02:46 PM (kzdjp)

139 Do frogs march?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 21, 2016 02:46 PM (FkBIv)

140 Keep giving folks! For every $100,000 you donate, you get 3(three) sooper sekrit emails! $500,000 gets you 3 feet of Sooper Dooper Sekrit backup tape!

And this week only, if you donate $1,000,000, you get an all expenses paid weekend on Pedo Island!

Give till it hurts!

Posted by: The Clinton Foundation at January 21, 2016 02:46 PM (wb/Km)

141 Hillary is going to do whatever it takes to get more power, and if people have to die for it (Ambassador Stevens, the Benghazi team, Vince Foster, etc.), she doesn't care.

"WHAT DIFFERENCE, AT THIS POINT, DOES IT MAKE?!"

Posted by: pookysgirl at January 21, 2016 02:46 PM (K27gs)

142 An interesting election. Nothing about it is boring this time around. Well, maybe except for Heb!.

Posted by: Soona at January 21, 2016 02:46 PM (Fmupd)

143 Putin could get Hillary jailed in a heartbeat but then he would be revealing ongoing covert operations into unsecured servers of our government workers.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 21, 2016 02:46 PM (khWYc)

144 the gope isnt stupid, the gope is on Team Corruption. The gope is paid so well on Team Corruption that they don't care that the coach is Marx

Posted by: Grad School Fool at January 21, 2016 02:46 PM (A9KzJ)

145 Someone also mentioned this yesterday: Was Hillary's lawyer ever in possession of these "higher than top secret" documents? He had a flashdrive containing the emails she turned over to State in his office, in a safe.

Also, are they determining this based on what was on the flashdrive, or what they could retrieve from the server that the FBI retrieved from Platte River whatever. Seriously, were these in a server sitting in an room in CO or NJ, handled by people with no security clearance?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 21, 2016 02:46 PM (NOIQH)

146 You make the false assumption that people have any faith in that now.

------

Or that it matters whether you have faith in them.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 02:47 PM (gmeXX)

147 Isn't this why I said we should want her to be the nominee? Why, yes. Yes, it is.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 21, 2016 02:47 PM (Xhvpw)

148 well, true, pappy

God help me, I still have faith that the eligible and likely voters in this country will have the sense to reject her

but then, I thought Romney would win

Posted by: Feh at January 21, 2016 02:47 PM (9iYoJ)

149 "they will have her, and the entire country, over a barrel "

I don't think so. If Hillary beats this, AND gets elected, there will be no limit to what she can do. SHE will have the country at the point of a gun.

Posted by: J. Felger at January 21, 2016 02:47 PM (6Go9d)

150 I'll be Hillary's pen pal while she's in prison. I like to send lots of pictures.

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at January 21, 2016 02:47 PM (OD2ni)

151 Posted by: The Clinton Foundation at January 21, 2016 02:46 PM (wb/Km)

Or, as a nice feminist LIV girl I knew said when I mentioned she could end up in jail over foreign donations while at state, even aside from the email server business: "uh, well, I don't think she was actually that involved with her charity."

LIVs: absorbing the excuses but not the names of their own fucking party members.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at January 21, 2016 02:48 PM (xuouz)

152 Isn't this why I said we should want her to be the nominee? Why, yes. Yes, it is.

----------

I see no reason to fear her - or anyone on the Dem side really.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 02:48 PM (gmeXX)

153 Bandersnatch, 18 too. He was 38 and my politics professor, my freshman year of college. The sex was bad though. I didn't have an orgasm the first time, but I loved him anyway.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 02:48 PM (2x3L+)

154 In a powerful interview on Fox News

FAUX NEWS!!!!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 21, 2016 02:48 PM (fWAjv)

155 Fait acompli since the day news of her server broke.

She needs to pay and the reason why I might welcome a Socialist president like Bernie is that, though Socialists are brutal in the human rights department, they are especially unforgiving in the national security arena.

I'd almost risk going full-on red if I could live to see her comeuppance.

Posted by: Aye Mi Trumpi! at January 21, 2016 02:48 PM (8VBT+)

156 Zero ambiguity.

Hillary should be wearing an orange jumpsuit right now, in a Federal lockup without bail, awaiting trial.

Yes, she is indeed a "flight risk."

No bail.

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2016 02:48 PM (COMrr)

157 100 years ago, she'd have been hanged

with justice

Posted by: Feh at January 21, 2016 02:49 PM (9iYoJ)

158 In fact, it would be sort of fitting if the fit, armed men who frog marched Hillary out of there were composed of the real heroes of Benghazi. and the actors who portrayed them.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2016 02:49 PM (w4NZ8)

159 I never traded missile technology for campaign contributions and the Chinese would have developed it anyway.
This is politics as usual.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 21, 2016 02:49 PM (8Evu1)

160 Private Server?

You mean like a waitress?

Posted by: Sir Edmund Hillary at January 21, 2016 02:49 PM (Queum)

161 er, 150 years ago

Posted by: Feh at January 21, 2016 02:49 PM (9iYoJ)

162 "142 An interesting election. Nothing about it is boring this time around. Well, maybe except for Heb!."

You mean you're not bored by my stories about my father the mailman?

Posted by: John Kasich at January 21, 2016 02:49 PM (OD2ni)

163 Once I was servicing Hillary and the vibrator must have built up static charge or had an electrical spark something. Just then Hillary ripped a huge rank one, and I had to pencil in my eyebrows in with mascara until they grew back.

Posted by: Huma at January 21, 2016 02:49 PM (/f6Nd)

164 But this time, this time -- Hillary just might have schlonged herself.
---------------

Hey. Leave me out of this.

Posted by: Der Schlong at January 21, 2016 02:49 PM (VndSC)

165 >> 118 I demand reparations in the form of showering with Kate Upton.
>> Posted by: Weasel at January 21, 2016 02:44 PM

No! We're calling AmberAlert! Your Hordemates will not allow you to be taken advantage of, abused, degraded, and defiled by someone you just met, whilst under the influence of mildly-psychoactive metabolic waste products in the shower, and thus becoming a topic of AoSHQ open thread discussions.

Stay strong!

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at January 21, 2016 02:49 PM (ml1PM)

166 >>and if by some cruel twist of fate she's elected POTUS, they will have her, and the entire country, over a barrel

>>think of the opportunities for blackmail

Just a reminder, the reason we know about Hillary's secret email server in the first place is because she was hacked by the Romanian hacker Guccifer.

If some random Romanian dude could break in, what do you suppose the odds are the Chinese with their full time army of hackers could?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2016 02:49 PM (Hxh2/)

167 Hmmmm. .... didn't US Attorney General Elliot Richardson and Deputy Attorney William Ruckleshouse both resign during the Watergate "Saturday Nigh Massacre"?

My, how the wheel turns ...

Posted by: mrp at January 21, 2016 02:50 PM (JBggj)

168 Someone also mentioned this yesterday: Was Hillary's lawyer ever in possession of these "higher than top secret" documents? He had a flashdrive containing the emails she turned over to State in his office, in a safe.

Also, are they determining this based on what was on the flashdrive, or what they could retrieve from the server that the FBI retrieved from Platte River whatever. Seriously, were these in a server sitting in an room in CO or NJ, handled by people with no security clearance?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 21, 2016 02:46 PM (NOIQH)

YES he was
NO he is not allowed to
YES he should also be in jail
YES NONE of them had Security Clearance

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 02:50 PM (kzdjp)

169 >> And who would be drafted? Biden? Cory Booker? Michelle
>> Obama?

I'm thinking at this point that any attempt to supplant Bernie will produce a reaction that makes the GOP food fight look mild.

The officer corps of the Free Shit Army (which is still largely segregated) is heavily invested in Sanders at this point.

Posted by: JEM at January 21, 2016 02:50 PM (o+SC1)

170 Sounds like maybe we should avoid electing this Hilery fellow to any public office, what with the lack of criminal cleanliness.

Any chance of us doing that?

Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2016 02:50 PM (TOk1P)

171 is anybody investgating the "pay for play" aspect of this

donate to the clinton foundation and get a favorable ruling from State on a pet project

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 21, 2016 02:50 PM (zOTsN)

172 I didn't have an orgasm the first time, but I loved him anyway.

Hmmm. Girl orgasm is complicated. It took me a lot of practice and study to figure it out.

By 38, though, he should have learned to make it a priority.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 21, 2016 02:50 PM (1xUj/)

173 "Socialists are brutal in the human rights department, they are especially unforgiving in the national security arena."

too bad that free speech, economic success, right to self-defense etc etc are national security risks to socialists

I'll pass

Posted by: Grad School Fool at January 21, 2016 02:50 PM (A9KzJ)

174 Letting her off would force a review of every person who has been prosecuted for the same offense. It's basically an amnesty for people who mishandled classified intelligence. That probably would include Petreaus. If I was his lawyer, I would file.

It will also hurt future prosecutions. If the bar is that low, other people will skate.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 21, 2016 02:38 PM (GGCsk)

You are making the mistake of thinking the Law applies equally and impartially to everyone. Get over it.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 21, 2016 02:51 PM (kKHcp)

175 "You mean like a waitress?"

Where? Where?

Posted by: Zombie Ted Kennedy at January 21, 2016 02:51 PM (OD2ni)

176
But the R's aren't serious about Benghazi. Never were. And they're not serious about this email scandal.

The R's WANT hillary as prez to continue their kleptocracy.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 21, 2016 02:51 PM (ODxAs)

177 I have to say, this is pretty funny. Say she is indicted, we could really see Trump vs. Sanders. I know socialism is all the rage here in the USA among a growing number of idiotic citizens, but we might have a landslide in Trump's favor if this is how it plays out. If indicted, could she still run while under indictment? lol I guess she could, but would democrats actually vote for a person under indictment during a primary? lol Funny thing is, they just might. This is damn hilarious.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 21, 2016 02:51 PM (COpZ4)

178 Key line. "I never sent or received material marked classified".

Well you did instruct employees to remove said markings just so you could make that claim. That in and of itself is a felony.

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at January 21, 2016 02:44 PM (JOG+K)

This is exactly where Hilldog is screwed.

You see, it doesn't matter whether or not classified material is marked classified or not. It is the information which is classified, not the medium which contains the information.

She should hang.

Literally.

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2016 02:51 PM (COMrr)

179 Indict her on obstruction of justice the day before the primary.

She loses the nom, goes to trial and gets convicted in time for Barry to pardon on his way out.

Then, press charges for 18 USC 973. Full-court, full-sentence, Republican president in charge.

Posted by: Aye Mi Trumpi! at January 21, 2016 02:51 PM (8VBT+)

180 Of course she broke the law.
Doesn't matter if she knew she was breaking the law or not.
She was too goddamned important to have a .gov address.
She had to have her own email server.

You know, there are people who are in prison and/or bankrupt who committed far less egregious crimes. These people were caught up in the thousands of rules and regs put into effect by unelected civil servants, ala EPA OSHA

But, I know one thing. I won't hold my breath waiting to see her charged with a crime let alone convicted.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 21, 2016 02:51 PM (voOPb)

181 Our unholy rotten soulless criminal America destroying government killed 4 Americans in Banghazi. Period! What sort of chimpass punk would deny security, turn down 61 requests for security, then tell US forces to STAND DOWN when they were ready to kickass on the allapukes & save American lives! Obama & Clinton, thats who. They should be tried for treason & ****. Our entire fkdup gvt must be cleansed asap.

-Nugent

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 21, 2016 02:51 PM (fWAjv)

182 I'll believe it when I see it, prosecution that is. These people have their stuff wired up pretty tight, and they know how to do teamwork. I hope someone asks the Republican candidates if they would prosecute her, should they by some miracle manage to win an election against her.

Posted by: goon at January 21, 2016 02:51 PM (gy5kE)

183 Shouldn't this post get the flaming adult diaper?

Posted by: Roy at January 21, 2016 02:51 PM (VndSC)

184 >>>>>Also, news from SHOT show is that the CMP 1911's are going to start at $1,000.
.
.
.
.Excuse me? If that's correct I will not be getting one.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 21, 2016 02:52 PM (iONHu)

185 58 The FBI can't bring an indictment.

It has to come from Lynch or a special prosecutor.

Scankles will walk again.

Posted by: Valiant

You are assuming
1) that the Obama's and Valjar don't want her destroyed.
2) the heat from the professionals in CIA, NSA, FBI, armed services; international intelligence partners and the American public won't be too hot to ignore. I left the DOJ out for obvious reasons.
3) Almost half of the Democrats and anyone she's ever met want her gone also.

Two freshly minted paralegals would have been able to tie a bow around this six months ago. Six months later with all the new and worse revelations and evidence and 150 FBI agents can't close the deal?

The only reason Hillary hasn't already been indicted is that they FBI continues to build an ever expanding case.

She's toast.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at January 21, 2016 02:52 PM (kfcYC)

186
Right now as I write this, both msnbc and cnn are connecting the dots in their bullshit Flint water scandal.

Guess what? All their dots connect to Gov Snyder, a Republican!

These political scandals are very easy to do. Too bad the Republicans are lazy and complicit.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 02:52 PM (g99AB)

187 Can I be cellmates with the girl from the Bad T-shirt Ad? Hic.

Posted by: Hillary at January 21, 2016 02:52 PM (OD2ni)

188 Hmmmm. .... didn't US Attorney General Elliot Richardson and Deputy Attorney William Ruckleshouse both resign during the Watergate "Saturday Nigh Massacre"?

My, how the wheel turns ...

----------

Nixon never should have let them resign. He should have fired them.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 02:52 PM (gmeXX)

189
"I never sent or received material marked classified"

carefully vetted for legal reasons

but did she instruct others to send and receive such material on her behalf?

absolutely yes

prosecute and prison
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Actually, that's carefully vetted for public consumption. The law is clear that whether or not it is marked "classified" is irrelevant.

What she is trying to do is set the stage for her public defense of "_I_ never did anything wrong."

She's relying on the LIV's to assume the law only applies if it is _marked_ classified.

Her defense is to go like this:
1) Nothing I sent or received was marked "classified."
2) Even if it was classified, I had no way of knowing it was, since #1
3) If it was classified, someone else stripped the heading.
4) I never ordered anyone to strip the heading
5) The system is old and confusing, not up with my modern Blackberry
6) Whoever stripped the headings, only did so to pass on non-classified material
7) Too many times, overworked staffers in the NSA fail to properly redact or remove classified material.

And on and on and on: It's the old Clinton play from the 90's. Deflect, Deny, Evade, Act Stupid.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 21, 2016 02:52 PM (fQ/0p)

190 Posted by: Lizzy at January 21, 2016 02:40 PM (NOIQH)

And she's got sharp teeth.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 21, 2016 02:52 PM (Xo1Rt)

191 I bet they are going to indict her very late into the primary season and blame the GOP for not getting it done in a timely manner.

But I have no idea who they have in mind to be the white knight candidate for the Dems that they will get to select outside of normal rules and law.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 21, 2016 02:53 PM (dkExz)

192 She should hang.

Literally.
Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2016 02:51

And ordinary rope won't do. High strength steel cable.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 21, 2016 02:53 PM (voOPb)

193 Blumenthal seems like a guy who'll do anything for the cause.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 02:38 PM (39g3+)

You think so? He's completely loyal to Her Thighness, of course, but he's slimey enough that I doubt he'd go that far.

But I could be wrong.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 21, 2016 02:53 PM (cFxp4)

194 >> YES he was
>> NO he is not allowed to
>> YES he should also be in jail
>> YES NONE of them had Security Clearance

Yeah, it's not an 'or', it's an 'and'.

Hillary AND every one of her staff that abetted this situation, AND possibly (we don't know if he was aware of content) her sub-rosa IT guy, AND her attorney, all ought to be ham sandwiches in the FBI refrigerator.

Posted by: JEM at January 21, 2016 02:53 PM (o+SC1)

195 Clearance? Like a sales at Bed, Bath and Beyond?

Posted by: Qoheleth at January 21, 2016 02:53 PM (iIzG7)

196 Bander, who college professor, so you know, slow ---- and he figured it out eventually.

Smile. And a hug too.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 02:53 PM (2x3L+)

197 >> An interesting election. Nothing about it is boring this time
>> around. Well, maybe except for Heb!.
>> Posted by: Soona at January 21, 2016 02:46 PM

I like the cut of your jib. Would you like to subscribe to my newsletter?

Posted by: John Kasich at January 21, 2016 02:53 PM (ml1PM)

198 Who here thinks anything will come of this?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 21, 2016 02:53 PM (fWAjv)

199 She broke the law
If she does not know she broke the law, she is to stupid to breath much less hold Office

And she is fat and ugly...Just thought I'd add that for the hell of it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 02:53 PM (kzdjp)

200
I have neither now, nor have I ever, worked with someone named Clarence.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 21, 2016 02:53 PM (cgHdD)

201 But I have no idea who they have in mind to be the white knight candidate for the Dems that they will get to select outside of normal rules and law.
Posted by: PaleRider at January 21, 2016 02:53 PM (dkExz)

Joe Biden.
Oh don't worry they will get his name onto the ballot, the law be damned.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 21, 2016 02:53 PM (voOPb)

202 Of course the greatest thing ever would be for the FBI to arrest her.

Imagine all the fun after that.

Posted by: HH at January 21, 2016 02:53 PM (DrCtv)

203 she will be charged only if Obama wants her off the ticket

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 21, 2016 02:53 PM (zOTsN)

204
Re: the dating advice in the prior thread

First, you need to know what it is to be a man. To do this, listen to and memorize this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNAxIeqilSA

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 02:54 PM (g99AB)

205 Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 21, 2016 02:50 PM (1xUj/

As her politics professor maybe he shouldn't have been having sex with her at all until she was out of his class.

Excuse my obnoxiously weighting in on this, but I just no teacher should be having sex with a current student-ever.

And I do understand falling in love with your professor. I had a massive crush on one of my English professors and took every class he ever offered.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2016 02:54 PM (w4NZ8)

206 the FBI will not arrest her without the approval of DOJ

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 21, 2016 02:54 PM (zOTsN)

207 186, wait just a minute! You are saying the media is blaming a republican? Wow, I never saw that coming.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 21, 2016 02:54 PM (COpZ4)

208 So, basically nothing to see here, nothing's gonna happen to anybody, we embrace our new globalist elite overlords .... or did I miss something ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 21, 2016 02:54 PM (erRNA)

209
... and yet.... Gen. Petraeus is forced out of the CIA, is in the process of being demoted, and dragged thru the muck because he had MANILLA FILE FOLDERS in an unlocked desk drawer.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 21, 2016 02:55 PM (8XRCm)

210 Hillary has nowhere to go but down. She may lose Iowa. She's certain to lose NH, badly. She's wed to Obama, so that anything bad on his watch becomes her problem too. She can't press flesh, but no one goes to her events anyway. She can only work with co-opted media and even then it can go badly. 13 Hours is a hit movie. Revelations continue to dribble out.

This latest revelation highlights that the test for a violation of mishandling confidential information has a low threshold.

The test for the federal statute for not taking anything of value from a foreign entity makes it a misdemeanor if done without intent, a felony if done with intent.

You could write an FBI criminal referral with facts already in the public domain, without the support the FBI may find on Hillary's server which the FBI has had for several months.

Otherwise, Hillary is inevitable as always .....

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 21, 2016 02:55 PM (r1fLd)

211 Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 21, 2016 02:41 PM (ODxAs)

It's what they call "consciousness of guilt".

She knew she would be commiting illegalities through her email. Thus she had to control the access and release of her emails.

Which she almost accomplished.

But Valjar gives good hate so Hillary is taking it in the shorts. With no splash back on JEF.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 21, 2016 02:55 PM (Xo1Rt)

212 I can respect Tebow for waiting for marriage. But dude, get married already . What the hell are you waiting for? It's not like he doesn't have the cream of the crop to choose from.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 21, 2016 02:55 PM (khWYc)

213 What will the Secret Service Protection Detail Agents do when the FBI shows up with an arrest warrant?

Posted by: J. Felger at January 21, 2016 02:55 PM (6Go9d)

214
Here's a better link for Now You're A Man [Maouwn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx1mryKqvT8

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 02:55 PM (g99AB)

215 Right now wouldn't you love to find out which plausibly deniable Sanders emissary is talking to which plausibly deniable Obama emissary about which six leftist blacks Sanders will appoint to his Cabinet if Obama tells Lynch to indict?

Posted by: JEM at January 21, 2016 02:55 PM (o+SC1)

216 Oh Lord, we may have debates between Biden and Trump. I'm going to start drinking now.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at January 21, 2016 02:55 PM (ePcUK)

217 If you or I even remotely considered thinking about contemplating doing what Hillary has done, we'd be black bagged in the middle of the night, taken to a black site and never seen or heard from again. There are indeed two Americas: those with power and connections, and those without.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 21, 2016 02:55 PM (kpqmD)

218 Why hasn't the NSA pulled State's IT certification to handle classified material? Yank their keys and put them back on paper.

Posted by: Jean at January 21, 2016 02:55 PM (H2MEA)

219 his goes beyond negligence... because we already have an email FROM HILLARY directing someone to remove the classification markings, and then put it in the email..

This was DELIBERATE...

Posted by: BB Wolf, registered independent at January 21, 2016 02:55 PM (f7rv6)

220 206 the FBI will not arrest her without the approval of DOJ
Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 21, 2016 02:54 PM (zOTsN

If you examine that, it really screams out how political agencies have become that have no business being political.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 21, 2016 02:56 PM (voOPb)

221 ...when someone who claims to be an FBI agent and claims to have an arrest warrant. . .

Posted by: J. Felger at January 21, 2016 02:56 PM (6Go9d)

222 I can respect Tebow for waiting for marriage. But dude, get married already . What the hell are you waiting for? It's not like he doesn't have the cream of the crop to choose from.

----------

Max you win for most random post of the day. And that includes a day where the Horde gave out dating advice.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 02:56 PM (gmeXX)

223 She'll get a real good talking to from Obama. What's the big deal? I promise you she won't do it again.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 21, 2016 02:56 PM (UnJ7w)

224 >>Hillary AND every one of her staff that abetted this situation, AND
possibly (we don't know if he was aware of content) her sub-rosa IT guy,
AND her attorney, all ought to be ham sandwiches in the FBI
refrigerator.

I really hope the FBI is in the process of interviewing all of them and putting all the pressure on them.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 21, 2016 02:56 PM (NOIQH)

225 the law be damned.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 21, 2016 02:53 PM (voOPb)

The Law Be Damned: Offiicial Slogan of the Democratic Party

What? Me Worry? Official Slogan of the Republican Party

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2016 02:56 PM (COMrr)

226 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2016 02:54 PM (w4NZ

Yes, that occurred to me but I decided to avoid the implications of the oppressive patriarchy and focus on the hot, hot, Professor on L, Elle action.

Because I'm deep like the ocean and she doesn't seem scarred.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 21, 2016 02:56 PM (1xUj/)

227 216 Oh Lord, we may have debates between Biden and Trump. I'm going to start drinking now.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at January 21, 2016 02:55 PM (ePcUK

I've been sober 28 years. Talk about a temptation

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 21, 2016 02:56 PM (voOPb)

228 It would be cute that Ace thinks something will come of this, but he should know better.

This revelation was on FOX, so it doesn't matter. come back when they have the same type of interview on MSNBC and ABC.

People on the opposite team can't do anything. Until Hillary's own team start to take this seriously, nothing will come of it.

Posted by: jwest at January 21, 2016 02:57 PM (Zs4uk)

229 Don't worry, fenelon. It worked out okay. You're exactly right, it was all wrong, but I got my head straight in the end. I dumped him.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 02:57 PM (2x3L+)

230 her debate performnces are all about pleasing the JEF now. He wants her gone, he has her arrested

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 21, 2016 02:57 PM (zOTsN)

231 Ed Klein was on a local radio talk show this morning talking about this. He stated that contacts he had at the FBI were certain that charges would be recommended to DOJ. The time frame given was March-June.

So, for what that's worth.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 21, 2016 02:57 PM (LA7Cm)

232 >>>I never sent or received material marked classified

What cracks me up is that she's clearly more worried about perjury
than espionage. She's careful to word this in such a way that its
technically true but irrelevant. It doesn't matter if it was marked or
not.
.
.
.
.And rightfully so as it is usually the uttering of false statements that lands people in trouble with the Feds, not always the supposed crime.

The bottom line is as Secretary of State there is no way on earth that she could have done her job without sending and receiving classified materiel almost constantly. Can't be done any other way whether it is marked or not. And the proof in the pudding is that Huma email fighting State on the Classified Blackberry.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 21, 2016 02:57 PM (iONHu)

233 You are making the mistake of thinking the Law applies equally and impartially to everyone. Get over it.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 21, 2016 02:51 PM (kKHcp)

Exactly. Equal protection under the law is only for gays.

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at January 21, 2016 02:57 PM (JOG+K)

234 If you examine that, it really screams out how political agencies have become that have no business being political.

----------

See I think it simply highlights the fact that our system of government really doesn't allow for non-political agencies.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 02:57 PM (gmeXX)

235 Oh Lord, we may have debates between Biden and Trump. I'm going to start drinking now.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at January 21, 2016 02:55 PM (ePcUK)

Hopefully the Networks will provide subtitles.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 21, 2016 02:58 PM (UnJ7w)

236 "...But this time, this time -- Hillary just might have schlonged herself."

Meanwhile, Bill is looking for a missing cigar

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed at January 21, 2016 02:58 PM (jxbfJ)

237 Posted by: J. Felger at January 21, 2016 02:55 PM (6Go9d)

Roll on floor laughing their asses off?

She's not a likeable person. I'm sure the SS guys know this very well.

And what happens when the kid every one hates gets in trouble?

Laughter and derision ensues.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 21, 2016 02:58 PM (Xo1Rt)

238 "...when someone who claims to be an FBI agent and claims to have an arrest warrant. . ."

a country has gotta do what a country's gotta do

Federal LE...do your goddamn job, no matter how high up the chain you have to go

Posted by: Grad School Fool at January 21, 2016 02:58 PM (A9KzJ)

239 Can I be cellmates with the girl from the Bad T-shirt Ad? Hic.Posted by: Hillary at January 21, 2016 02:52 PM

Sorry, Hillary. I think your best chance of early release is having El Chapo as a cellmate. And a spoon. A really big spoon.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 21, 2016 02:58 PM (fbovC)

240 $1,000 for rack grade, that's what I've heard.

So, doubt anyone will seriously be buying them. It's not like you're going to get anything other than a mish-mash of parts which don't even make them particularly collectible.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 21, 2016 02:58 PM (RQDhf)

241

Admit Nothing.
Deny Everything.
Demand Proof.
Buy a New Reality.
Invite Witnesses to Long Walks in the Park.

Posted by: Scankles McFelon at January 21, 2016 02:59 PM (NvWGy)

242 The Clintons have gotten away with so much law-breaking for so long they thought themselves untouchable.

And since they've not paid a price since the Watergate hearings, they have good reason to believe so. Apparently, they are untouchable.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 02:59 PM (39g3+)

243 "You forgot woo woo warren
Posted by: Nevergiveup a"

It is a shame that the Republicans are chiefed by the double tongues.

Posted by: Elizabeth "Ten Bears" Warren at January 21, 2016 02:59 PM (OD2ni)

244 the FBI can recommend all they want but its DOJs action as directed by the executive

prosecutorial descretion

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 21, 2016 02:59 PM (zOTsN)

245 Serious question. Why, exactly, did she do this besides the obvious - "I'm above the law, I can do what I want?" Too lazy to go to work? Wanted no trail of evidence?

Posted by: PAgirlinNC at January 21, 2016 02:59 PM (IyKms)

246 >> You could write an FBI criminal referral with facts already
>> in the public domain, without the support the FBI may find
>> on Hillary's server which the FBI has had for several
>>months.

You forgot the one about the simple existence of the server being evidence of a conspiracy to evade Federal records laws.

It would be for any aggressive US Attorney trying to lock up a banker, a stock jobber, a defense contractor, a pharma executive...

My guess is what they've got now is enough to indict, but they'd have to work to make a strong case for intent.

Posted by: JEM at January 21, 2016 02:59 PM (o+SC1)

247 It doesn't matter if the documents were marked classified. If she was "grossly negligent" in taking a document (a term that includes emails) relating to the national security outside of its "proper place of custody" (i.e. on her homebrew server), it's a crime under 18 U.S.C. 793(f)(1) (google it) punishable up to 10 years in prison. "Relating to the national security" has been defined in some court decisions, but it's not a requirement that the document be marked classified. It's a case-by-case analysis that depends on the content of the document. Her defense in the media about the documents not being marked in a certain way is not a legal one.

Posted by: gts109 at January 21, 2016 02:59 PM (KIvt1)

248 213 What will the Secret Service Protection Detail Agents do when the FBI shows up with an arrest warrant?
Posted by: J. Felger at January 21, 2016 02:55 PM (6Go9d)

If that ever happens, I imagine they'll try to stifle laughter as she's being taken away, then cheer and high-five afterwards. However I won't believe she'll be arrested until it actually happens.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 21, 2016 02:59 PM (kpqmD)

249 >>What will the Secret Service Protection Detail Agents do when the FBI shows up with an arrest warrant?

Well, they might have their hands full because she's ordered them to carry her luggage or block reporters from getting close to her. It would suck for Hillary, but they'd be distracted because they're following *her* orders, so...

Posted by: Lizzy at January 21, 2016 03:00 PM (NOIQH)

250
Will Smith is pissed...

that he got snubbed by Oscar for his stupid movie Concussion.

But, Will Smith wants everyone to know it's Not About Him.

Smith's boycott is "For The Children," Smith says, "Who Will Be Watching The Oscars And Not See Anyone Who Represents Them."

For the Children
Who will be watching
The Oscars

Yeah

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 03:00 PM (g99AB)

251 "You forgot woo woo warren

Posted by: Nevergiveup a"

You mean Fauxcahontas?

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed at January 21, 2016 03:00 PM (jxbfJ)

252 and yet.... Gen. Petraeus is forced out of the CIA, is in the process of being demoted, and dragged thru the muck because he had MANILLA FILE FOLDERS in an unlocked desk drawer.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 21, 2016 02:55 PM (8XRCm)

Well he also shared secret info with his girlfriend, but at least she had a secret clearance

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:00 PM (kzdjp)

253 >>This revelation was on FOX, so it doesn't matter. come back when they have the same type of interview on MSNBC and ABC.

Would NBC do the trick for you?

http://tinyurl.com/h9xbezg

That was yesterday.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2016 03:00 PM (Hxh2/)

254 Sadly, I think we all attach IBWISI to news like this, and increasingly WISI assumes the status of unicorns and the free lunch.

Someday Lucy won't pull the football away, and Charlie Brown will be so surprised he won't know what to do. Just like the time in little league I actually hit the ball...

Posted by: McGehee at January 21, 2016 03:01 PM (ax/6m)

255 "You forgot woo woo warren

Posted by: Nevergiveup a"

You mean Fauxcahontas?
Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed at January 21, 2016 03:00 PM (jxbfJ)

Yes kemosabe

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:01 PM (kzdjp)

256 Looks like Hillary has gotten schlonged more times in the past 8 years than she ever did by Bill.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 21, 2016 03:01 PM (GWm7j)

257 Will Smith is the best actor in a movie no one saw highlighting an issue everyone knows about.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:01 PM (gmeXX)

258 The crescendo will build. And at the last minute, as Fredo lifts his pen, ValJar will slip the pardon in. Oops. Didn't mean to do that, really. BUT what's done is done so it looks like she can stay in the race.

Posted by: Soona at January 21, 2016 03:01 PM (Fmupd)

259 "The Law Be Damned: Offiicial Slogan of the Democratic Party

What? Me Worry? Official Slogan of the Republican Party

Posted by: filbert"

The threadwinner, hands down.

Years ago I almost had Alfred E. Neuman and that motto engraved on my S&W mdl 60 .... my lawyer talked me out of it.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 21, 2016 03:01 PM (erRNA)

260 Oh Lord, we may have debates between Biden and Trump. I'm going to start drinking now. Posted by: MaureenTheTemp

Biden is already sending his choppers out to Ultra Brite Industries for industrial strength whitening.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 21, 2016 03:02 PM (fbovC)

261 Poor Granny Clinton. I hear she bakes delicious chocolate chip cookies for the children's hospital and knits sweaters for the homeless when she's not campaigning. This is just terrible.

Posted by: Fritz at January 21, 2016 03:02 PM (UzPAd)

262

Cackle, cackle, cackle,,,,

Like I'm gonna' get indicted....

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 21, 2016 03:02 PM (HSmrB)

263 TO: Huma
FROM: HH41

SUBJECT: The Subject Line Here

Huma, fax Gretchen and have her bring me a hot tea with ice in it.

Also, arrange a play date with Ricardo Kill and his friend at Marcy Park.

Thx

XOXO

HH41

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 21, 2016 03:02 PM (fWAjv)

264 Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 02:56 PM (gmeXX)

You didn't see the posts that were talking about losing one's virginity? Did I dream them?

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 21, 2016 03:02 PM (khWYc)

265 Secret Service agents are law enforcement personnel just like the FBI. If an FBI agent shows up with a valid arrest warrant, they will put Hillary in the FBI vehicle and generally act in a respectful, professional way. Then, when she's gone, get drunk and party for 24 hours.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at January 21, 2016 03:03 PM (RD7QR)

266 >>Wanted no trail of evidence?

She basically merged the State Dept. with the Clinton Foundation for 4 years, sharing key personnel (Huma, Cherl Mills) as well as information. She was using her foundation to procure payments for her State activities. SHe was sharing intelligence with Bill's staff to help him prep for meetings and speeches for various foreign governments.

She monetized the sh$t out of being Sect. of State. She had to hide this from Congress, FOIA requests.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 21, 2016 03:03 PM (NOIQH)

267 even if someone has the appropriate clearances they also have to have a "need to know"

not everyone with a secret or top secret clearance would be ok to look at those emails

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 21, 2016 03:03 PM (zOTsN)

268 *glares at Horde*

One of our premier 'Ettes offered us this:

So, I think we should hijack all the threads now to avoid the circular firing squad.

How old were you when you lost your virginity?

And you bozos, nothing! Sheesh.

I am as disappointed in you as Obama is.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 21, 2016 03:03 PM (1xUj/)

269
If only the main stream media knew about this, it could be a big story.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 21, 2016 03:04 PM (ODxAs)

270 I want to read some more horseshit comments on how tough it would be for Trump or Cruz to beat this criminal idiot in the election. Come on. Let's hear that shit.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 21, 2016 03:04 PM (xWW96)

271 >> The crescendo will build. And at the last minute, as Fredo
>> lifts his pen, ValJar will slip the pardon in. Oops. Didn't
>> mean to do that, really. BUT what's done is done so it
>> looks like she can stay in the race.

Nah. A pardoned would-be felon in the general peaks at 35%.

She'd get that, don't get me wrong, she could be convicted, wearing a nice shade of orange and headed for Federal prison and 35% would still vote for her.

Posted by: JEM at January 21, 2016 03:04 PM (o+SC1)

272 there might be laws that direct a warrant from the AG before the FBI can arrest.

the Constitution is the underlying law of the country. all other laws derive from that.

FBI agents swear to defend the Constitution, as well as to obey lawful orders in that commission.

any order that interferes with defending the Constitution is illegal by nature, and not binding to an agent's oath

roll up this entire corrupt and treasonous administration

Posted by: Grad School Fool at January 21, 2016 03:04 PM (A9KzJ)

273 Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 02:57 PM (2x3L+)

I'm glad; I think-as hard as it might be-it's the responsibility of teachers to maintain the boundaries and when you're dealing with "star stuck" women who may never had had a relationship t is even harder and more crucial. Had my English professor come onto me who knows what I would have done ( don't know that I would have had the sense to feel he should have acted better) but he was married and either ethical or had no interest in me. I'm sure he was smart enough to figure out I liked him a lot.

And On another note, I haven't seen you much. been able to get away to the convent near your home?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2016 03:04 PM (w4NZ8)

274 The threadwinner, hands down.

Years ago I almost had Alfred E. Neuman and that motto engraved on my S&W mdl 60 .... my lawyer talked me out of it.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 21, 2016 03:01 PM (erRNA)

M. Humanitarian gets full credit for the inspiration.

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2016 03:04 PM (COMrr)

275 265
Secret Service agents are law enforcement personnel just like the FBI.
If an FBI agent shows up with a valid arrest warrant, they will put
Hillary in the FBI vehicle and generally act in a respectful,
professional way. Then, when she's gone, get drunk and party for 24
hours.

And I think as responsible God fearing, law abiding citizens that we are should start a GoFundMe account to pay for their drunken party. They deserve it after all they have had to put up with.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed at January 21, 2016 03:05 PM (jxbfJ)

276 Well if push comes to shove...She may plead guilty to something, withdraw from the election and public life, and fredo will pardon her.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:05 PM (kzdjp)

277 Yeah, that theory of Obama letting this all drip out to force an indictment, and have Warren jump in to save the day is looking more plausible all the time now.

Posted by: Iblis at January 21, 2016 03:05 PM (rP2JJ)

278 IBWISI?

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at January 21, 2016 03:05 PM (RD7QR)

279 How old were you when you lost your virginity?

And you bozos, nothing! Sheesh.

I am as disappointed in you as Obama is.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 21, 2016 03:03 PM (1xUj/)

What if we didn't have an answer?

Umm,

Asking for a friend

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 21, 2016 03:05 PM (fWAjv)

280 Yeah, that theory of Obama letting this all drip out to force an indictment, and have Warren jump in to save the day is looking more plausible all the time now.
Posted by: Iblis at January 21, 2016 03:05 PM (rP2JJ)

Yup

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:05 PM (kzdjp)

281 FBI agents swear to defend the Constitution, as well as to obey lawful orders in that commission.

any order that interferes with defending the Constitution is illegal by nature, and not binding to an agent's oath

roll up this entire corrupt and treasonous administration
Posted by: Grad School Fool at January 21, 2016 03:04 PM (A9KzJ)

Would that more sworn government officials remember who . . . or rather WHAT . . . they are sworn to uphold, and act accordingly.

What a wonderful world it would be.

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2016 03:06 PM (COMrr)

282 And I think as responsible God fearing, law abiding citizens that we are should start a GoFundMe account to pay for their drunken party.

------------

We already paid for that party.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:06 PM (gmeXX)

283 I wonder if Fredo has seen this story in the newspapers yet.

Posted by: Soona at January 21, 2016 03:06 PM (Fmupd)

284 143
Putin could get Hillary jailed in a heartbeat but then he would be
revealing ongoing covert operations into unsecured servers of our
government workers.
==

Why would he want to do that? Assuming he has the goods, now he's got incredibly powerful leverage of the potential POTUS. (As probably do the N. Koreans, Chinese, every 15 year old hacker in the Baltic, etc).

I joke, but this is deadly serious. She's compromised, and whether or not she goes to jail, she CANNOT be POTUS.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:06 PM (ji45d)

285 But enough about this. Hasn't Sarah Palin said something stupid/racist we can cover?

Posted by: MSM at January 21, 2016 03:06 PM (Xhvpw)

286 Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at January 21, 2016 03:03 PM (RD7QR)

I've been wondering about this for years...

The Secret Service IS sworn to uphold the Law, and defend the Constitution.... its in their oath...

Soooo... how can they sleep at night WATCHING what has been happening in Washington?

With what they've seen from Clinton... or Obama and his Cabinet...

Posted by: BB Wolf, registered independent at January 21, 2016 03:06 PM (f7rv6)

287
Biden is already sending his choppers out to Ultra Brite Industries for industrial strength whitening.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 21, 2016 03:02 PM (fbovC)

And increasing his visits to Hairclub for Men

Posted by: Marybeth in Florida at January 21, 2016 03:06 PM (CmURZ)

288 "Also, arrange a play date with Ricardo Kill and his friend at Marcy Park. "

What'd I do?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 21, 2016 03:07 PM (LA7Cm)

289 What about the white kids who watch football and don't see anyone who represents them. (except for maybe the QB).

What about them will?

Or how about that the AA's are about 14% of the population but we see them on tv at about a 50% rate and mostly never as bad guys. (if they're bad guys they're COOL bad guys)

In fact, will, you've had a career solely based on that agenda by White producers to inoculate against from the disparate outcome crap.

How about merit, will? do you tell your kids that merit doesn't count, only skin color?

My my and just after MLK's Birthday. You remember him will?

Judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character, Will.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 21, 2016 03:07 PM (Xo1Rt)

290

FBI investigates. They do not charge anybody. DOJ does that. FBI recommends prosecution. Thats all.

now if a bunch quit in protest that might be something

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 21, 2016 03:07 PM (zOTsN)

291 Oh Lord, we may have debates between Biden and Trump. I'm going to start drinking now.Posted by: MaureenTheTemp

We'll need a live blog/tweet thread explaining every damn lie Biden tells throughout. He lies every time he opens his mouth too.

If he's not lying, he's supporting our causes by mistake.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 21, 2016 03:07 PM (qCMvj)

292 RWC is a virgin!!!

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 03:07 PM (2x3L+)

293 And you bozos, nothing!

i don't remember anyone ever asking Bozo when he lost his virginity. Of course I didn't watch the show all the time. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2016 03:07 PM (w4NZ8)

294 I am as disappointed in you as Obama is.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 21, 2016 03:03 PM (1xUj/)

I'm not.
We stayed on topic (mostly) for 200+ comments, despite your attempt to take us into the gutter.
And T He who must not be T named wasn't brought up yet.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 21, 2016 03:07 PM (kKHcp)

295 And I think as responsible God fearing, law abiding citizens that we are should start a GoFundMe account to pay for their drunken party.

------------

We already paid for that party.
Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:06 PM (gmeXX)

I'd happily kick in an extra $100.

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2016 03:07 PM (COMrr)

296 A foreign power could easily seal the deal by allowing some interesting, but not hurtful, emails to find their way onto the dark net. I wonder if Israel was doing some lite reading on her server? That would be poetic justice against the Palestinian backing machine that she controls.

Posted by: goon at January 21, 2016 03:07 PM (gy5kE)

297 Bumper Sticker:

"Hillary Stripped, Spies Ripped"

Posted by: Sharkman at January 21, 2016 03:07 PM (t8P62)

298 And you bozos, nothing! Sheesh.
I am as disappointed in you as Obama is.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 21, 2016 03:03 PM (1xUj/)

I'm just afraid if I derail another comment thread I'll get banned. But I was 15. I'm a dog.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at January 21, 2016 03:08 PM (xuouz)

299 "Would that more sworn government officials remember who . . . or rather WHAT . . . they are sworn to uphold, and act accordingly."

It only takes one to get the ball going. Make people take a side. Just one. I can hope

Posted by: Grad School Fool at January 21, 2016 03:08 PM (A9KzJ)

300
I joke, but this is deadly serious. She's compromised, and whether or not she goes to jail, she CANNOT be POTUS.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:06 PM (ji45d)

I've believed that the House of Saud has something on the US Government for years...

Its the only way to explain some of our Governments actions.... like flying Saudis out of the country right after 9/11, when we KNEW most of the hijackers, were Saudis....

Posted by: BB Wolf, registered independent at January 21, 2016 03:08 PM (f7rv6)

301 Now that it's past 250, I'm going to bitch about the Civilian Marksmanship Program no longer being about any of those things.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 21, 2016 03:08 PM (RQDhf)

302 Nope, not the Hillary to die on...

Posted by: The GOPe at January 21, 2016 03:08 PM (3U4+k)

303 >>And increasing his visits to Hairclub for Men

Is there a single would-be Democrat savior who was born after color TV was invented?

Sheesh.

Posted by: JEM at January 21, 2016 03:08 PM (o+SC1)

304 How long will it take to get an indictment?

Presuming an indictment, will Hillary be arrested, or will there be a public announcement that Hillary has to 'turn herself in'?

Will Hillary be in country (i.e. inside US Jurisdiction) when the announcement is made?

Will Hillary flee to a country that does not have an extradition treaty with the US?

What will be the repercussions of arresting the wife of a former president who is also a presidential candidate?

See, Nixon resigned. Ford immediately issued a blanket pardon. End of story, footnote in history.

Posted by: J. Felger at January 21, 2016 03:08 PM (6Go9d)

305 288 "Also, arrange a play date with Ricardo Kill and his friend at Marcy Park. "

What'd I do?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 21, 2016 03:07 PM (LA7Cm)

Oops. I guess that should be Ed Klein and his friend.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 21, 2016 03:09 PM (fWAjv)

306 And T He who must not be T named wasn't brought up yet.

Good point.

Now toss some salt over your left shoulder. And throw some chicken bones on the ground. And...um...spit in someone's soup.

We don't want to jinx this.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 21, 2016 03:09 PM (1xUj/)

307 >> Nope, not the Hillary to die on...

I agree, fella.

Posted by: Nelson Rockefeller at January 21, 2016 03:09 PM (o+SC1)

308 Has any Democrat pol been held accountable for anything since Obama took the oath of office?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present moment) at January 21, 2016 03:09 PM (u0lmX)

309 >>Soooo... how can they sleep at night WATCHING what has been happening in Washington?

Think the behavior of the SS under Obama indicates they have found numerous distractions - booze, coke, hookers, kiddie porn, etc.
I've always felt that this was not just an issue with poor management, but people finding an outlet for dealing with the fact that they must put their lives at rick to protect people they've witnessed doing all sort of seedy stuff.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 21, 2016 03:09 PM (NOIQH)

310 28 The Clinton administration brought us a major scandal every 90 days for eight years. And yet Bill is likely to croak, free as a bird, while being serviced by an underage nymphet or ten.
I've no doubt Hillary! can beat this.
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at January 21, 2016 02:28 PM (bpn7O)

Easy. She'll be serviced by TWO underage nymphets, or twenty.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (oKE6c)

311 (page 26)
Democratic National Committee Questions Politically Motivated Prosecution

Posted by: NYTimes, Future Edition at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (k8tEg)

312 Has any Democrat pol been held accountable for anything since Obama took the oath of office?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present moment) at January 21, 2016 03:09 PM (u0lmX)

Since Chappaquiddick?

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (COMrr)

313 See, Nixon resigned. Ford immediately issued a blanket pardon.

-------

And I'm not sure Nixon ever actually committed a crime.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (gmeXX)

314 OK A Jew needs a little help. What does a Pall Bearer do at a Catholic Funeral? Serious question. I am gong to be one tomorrow

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (kzdjp)

315 299 "Would that more sworn government officials remember who . . . or rather WHAT . . . they are sworn to uphold, and act accordingly."

It only takes one to get the ball going. Make people take a side. Just one. I can hope

Posted by: Grad School Fool at January 21, 2016 03:08 PM (A9KzJ)

They've seen what happens to those who squeal...

Hell.... Look at Edward Snowden...

Posted by: BB Wolf, registered independent at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (f7rv6)

316 Fenelon, thanks for asking. I'm okay, and that's good enough. My puppy brings me great joy. Just enough joy to keep me going.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (2x3L+)

317 "She monetized the sh$t out of being Sect. of State. She had to hide this from Congress, FOIA requests."

Spot on! Great summary.

There was a reason she wracked up a million frequent flyer miles while at State.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 21, 2016 03:11 PM (r1fLd)

318 If some random Romanian dude could break in, what do you suppose the odds are the Chinese with their full time army of hackers could?

When this story broke, didnt we find out that one of the people responsible for server maintenance was a contractor in China ? I seem to remember that on a AOS podcast ..

Posted by: McCool at January 21, 2016 03:11 PM (PhpHA)

319 >> Will Hillary flee to a country that does not have an
>> extradition treaty with the US?

I predict a whole lot of Obama Cabinet and sub-Cabinet officials will find reasons to be out of the country in January 2017.

Posted by: Nelson Rockefeller at January 21, 2016 03:11 PM (o+SC1)

320 Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (kzdjp)

Help carry the casket.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 21, 2016 03:11 PM (UnJ7w)

321 They've seen what happens to those who squeal...

Hell.... Look at Edward Snowden...
Posted by: BB Wolf, registered independent at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (f7rv6)

They defect to Russia?

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2016 03:11 PM (COMrr)

322 if the JEF wants her gone, he will threaten to indict her. Tell her she should quit. Cite heatlh reasons, and then hand the nomination more or less to someone. Maybe Sanders, maybe Warren. On his way out the door he pardons her

that is the most that will happen. no jail, no charges, ever

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 21, 2016 03:11 PM (zOTsN)

323 314 OK A Jew needs a little help. What does a Pall Bearer do at a Catholic Funeral? Serious question. I am gong to be one tomorrow

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (kzdjp)

Just helps carry the coffin.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 21, 2016 03:11 PM (fWAjv)

324 osted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (2x3L+)

Glad to her that. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2016 03:11 PM (w4NZ8)

325 What happens is a DOJ prosecutor refuses Lynch and proceeds with the prosecution?

I know it's a dream--a lawyer with integrity regardless of political party--but, that sets up neatly both the destruction of the Clintons and the Obamas.

If--IF--there is one person in the FBI that has any balls or integrity whatsoever, that right there is the only way to save your reputation: Put this case in front of a prosecutor you know who will (1) bring charges and (2) defy Obama.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 21, 2016 03:11 PM (fQ/0p)

326 Only thing I've ever done as a pallbearer is help carry the casket. Don't remember having to do anything other than try and stay in step with everyone else.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 21, 2016 03:11 PM (RQDhf)

327 Who should we watch as a bellwether for Hillary dropping out of the race? Who's a reliable journalist or source for that info?

Most of my usual blogs are too right-wing to be reliable. Not because they're not reliable, but because they've/we've been screaming about how she's a criminal for over a decade now.

Is it the mainstream news? Pop culture stuff like Dunham's "this is troubling" comments or whatever? Carville or another less openly anti-american inside-baseball dem? Or something else I'm missing.

I want to watch this bitch burn up in the atmosphere in real time.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at January 21, 2016 03:12 PM (xuouz)

328 Has any Democrat pol been held accountable for anything since Obama took the oath of office?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present moment) at January 21, 2016 03:09 PM (u0lmX)

----

Nope. Its one of those stupid Facebook memes the liberals send to each other.

"Not ONE provable scandal in the Obama administration."

**barf**

Posted by: fixerupper at January 21, 2016 03:12 PM (8XRCm)

329 >> How old were you when you lost your virginity?

Objection. Assumes facts not placed into evidence.

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at January 21, 2016 03:12 PM (ml1PM)

330 The only thing that can fix this is a Super Special CNN Townhall set up to benefit Hillary...without Hillary.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 21, 2016 03:12 PM (4ErVI)

331 The time has come for the Wiener/Holder ticket. It shall erect a stiff opposition to the GOP and stand tall for justice

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:12 PM (39g3+)

332 That was great in The Ben Ghazi hearing when Hillary made a point of brushing off her shoulder. I just imitated that action, and I realized I never brushed off my shoulder in all my old life. All you at home, Try IT! You will see what I mean!

Posted by: normal person at January 21, 2016 03:12 PM (Queum)

333 This could be the thing that changes everything.

Posted by: eman at January 21, 2016 03:12 PM (mR7Es)

334 Just follow their lead NGU

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 21, 2016 03:12 PM (fWAjv)

335 231
Ed Klein was on a local radio talk show this morning talking about this.
He stated that contacts he had at the FBI were certain that charges
would be recommended to DOJ. The time frame given was March-June.
===

Stipulating that its a given that the FBI recommends indictment (it isn't, but lets say it is), what if the AG declines to prosecute?

Then what?

People in the FBI and intelligence communities get mad? Yeah. . .then what?

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:12 PM (ji45d)

336 38 My old man is a (long) retired SAC intel guy. He says she's toast. As a former top-level security clearance holder he says it is plainly explained to you that "accidents" or intent have nothing to do with national security law. There are no "my bads!" or "oopsies!" when it comes to classified documents

What about King's X?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 21, 2016 03:12 PM (oKE6c)

337 >> OK A Jew needs a little help. What does a Pall Bearer do at
>> a Catholic Funeral? Serious question. I am gong to be one
>> tomorrow

Absent more professional advice, never done a Catholic service but...dress well, do what the others do, don't drink TOO much afterward.

Posted by: JEM at January 21, 2016 03:12 PM (o+SC1)

338 Yeah but prosecuting someone for revealing classified information never fed a hungry child either.

Posted by: Croms Dirty Underpants at January 21, 2016 03:12 PM (xudgf)

339 >>Has any Democrat pol been held accountable for anything since Obama took the oath of office?

IIRC, Bob Menendez, for the crime of publicly disagreeing with Obama's Israel policy.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 21, 2016 03:13 PM (NOIQH)

340 Nixon resigned. Ford immediately issued a blanket pardon.

-------

And I'm not sure Nixon ever actually committed a crime.
Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (gmeXX)

He did not have to...the Pardon was future indictments/crime related to Watergate and all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:13 PM (kzdjp)

341 >> How old were you when you lost your virginity?

I didn't lose it, someone else took it from me!

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:13 PM (ji45d)

342 104 "This does prove that Hillary views Republicans as her chief enemy. After all, the server set up was to insure that Republicans never saw her emails. She didn't care if the Norks, China and Putin did."

and if by some cruel twist of fate she's elected POTUS, they will have her, and the entire country, over a barrel

think of the opportunities for blackmail

are Dems this stupid?

Posted by: Feh at January 21, 2016 02:42 PM (9iYoJ)

Yes.

Oh. Was that supposed to be rhetorical? Then, yes.

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 21, 2016 03:13 PM (t06LC)

343 Stipulating that its a given that the FBI recommends
indictment (it isn't, but lets say it is), what if the AG declines to
prosecute?

Then what?

People in the FBI and intelligence communities get mad? Yeah. . .then what?

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:12 PM (ji45d)

"About those transcripts, Mr. Obama. Sure would be a shame if those got out."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 21, 2016 03:13 PM (oKE6c)

344 326 Only thing I've ever done as a pallbearer is help carry the casket. Don't remember having to do anything other than try and stay in step with everyone else.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 21, 2016 03:11 PM (RQDhf)

Ya know, we REALLY could have had some fun with NGU on this one.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 21, 2016 03:14 PM (fWAjv)

345 81 - Posted by: Marcus T at January 21, 2016 02:38 PM (GGCsk)
--
Equal protection ain't just for gays.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at January 21, 2016 03:14 PM (i6shs)

346 Hillary hasn't been indicted yet because the Justice Department is still busy with Lois Lerner's paperwork.

Posted by: jwest at January 21, 2016 03:14 PM (Zs4uk)

347 What happens is a DOJ prosecutor refuses Lynch and proceeds with the prosecution?

----------

Well Obama would squash presumably - then fire the prosecutor - all within his power. The press would report this prosecutor as being part of the right wing conspiracy.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:14 PM (gmeXX)

348 So Hillary! cannot distance herself from Obama while campaigning? Because pardon.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 21, 2016 03:14 PM (Xhvpw)

349 they will give her an offer she cant refuse. You can quit and be pardoned and keep that nice little family foundation you got there. Of you could refuse and lose everything

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 21, 2016 03:14 PM (zOTsN)

350 Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (kzdjp)

If by any chance you ,God forbid, trip and drop the casket do this. Tell an off color joke and rip one. Always works for me.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 21, 2016 03:14 PM (UnJ7w)

351 When this story broke, didnt we find out that one of the people responsible for server maintenance was a contractor in China ? I seem to remember that on a AOS podcast ..
Posted by: McCool at January 21, 2016 03:11 PM (PhpHA)

No, not the same story. I think you're thinking about the huge hack at the OPM, wherein some upgrades were subcontracted to an outfit that was chinese.

Same level of smart there.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 21, 2016 03:14 PM (kKHcp)

352 OK so form the advice here: Don't be Drunk, Dress snappy, don't drop the casket. Got it. I can handle that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:14 PM (kzdjp)

353 For a bunch of foul mouthed people, I can't believe me and Bander said the most.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 03:15 PM (2x3L+)

354 >>>>
Now that it's past 250, I'm going to bitch about the Civilian Marksmanship Program no longer being about any of those things.
.
.
.
.Seriously, what's to bitch about? They really don't have much left to work with. All of the M1 Carbines are gone and the M1 Garands they still have are pretty much just rack grade junk. Not sure how many will buy 1911's at $1,000 a pop, I know I won't get one even though I was ready to give them some cash for one, but a grand is too much for me.

As far as the rest of their programs they still do tons of stuff. Camp Perry matches and they still sell ammo. The run those new armorer classes where you get to build a Garand and go home with it. Not so much surplus stuff as it is all pretty much gone, but they do buy in bulk on commercial ammo and sell that.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 21, 2016 03:15 PM (iONHu)

355 The time has come for the Wiener/Holder ticket. It shall erect a stiff opposition to the GOP and stand tall for justice
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:12 PM (39g3+)

They would surely erect a giant column of Americans who would come joyously upon the body politic.

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2016 03:15 PM (COMrr)

356 314
OK A Jew needs a little help. What does a Pall Bearer do at a Catholic Funeral? Serious question. I am gong to be one tomorrow
==

You carry the casket and look really somber.

Piece of cake. . .you can handle it without even breaking a schvitz.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:15 PM (ji45d)

357 How did Hillary even qualify for the clearance she had? It seems like her past associations with questionable people would have stopped anyone else from being able to get clearance.

Posted by: PBJ1515 at January 21, 2016 03:15 PM (r1du+)

358 >>>>Hmmm. Girl orgasm is complicated. It took me a lot of practice and study to figure it out.

By 38, though, he should have learned to make it a priority.

He clearly never learned to lick the alphabet.

Posted by: chiefjaybob at January 21, 2016 03:15 PM (BD0le)

359 266- the worst part about this is that the majority of the employees at State don't care that she did this. They support her because they are Democrats, and they tow the party line. For the few that aren't Democrats/liberals, it is literally hell working there, and trying to do the right thing when you are scrutinized, backstabbed, and micro-managed into inefficacy. These people don't give a damn that they may be undermining American interests, because they don't believe American interests should take precedence over other countries-despite that being part of the oath they take when they swear in as Foreign Service Officers.

Posted by: Moki at January 21, 2016 03:15 PM (7q2ch)

360 mplications of the oppressive patriarchy

I said nothing about oppressive patriarchy The gender has nothing to do with it; I would think it were wrong if a female professor had sex with a current male student. As far as know, my mother never did and for a long time she was a very good looking woman. But yes, I know you like to discuss teasings along those lines. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2016 03:15 PM (w4NZ8)

361 If by any chance you ,God forbid, trip and drop the casket do this. Tell an off color joke and rip one. Always works for me.
Posted by: Arson Wells at January 21, 2016 03:14 PM (UnJ7w)

Good advise

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:15 PM (kzdjp)

362 Learn something new everyday

In ancient Rome, when a man died, his cloak, or 'pallium,' was spread over his body or coffin as it was carried from the home to the cemetery. A group of men would bear the body on their shoulders.

By the time of the Middle Ages in Europe, the 'pallium' had become a 'pall' that was rectangular and was used to cover the coffin especially as it lay in a Christian church.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 21, 2016 03:16 PM (fWAjv)

363 Don't Black folk understand that everytime they whine about the White folks mistreating them that they then further empower those White folks?

And to then require that Black Folks plead to them for special consideration?

How's about standing on your own two feet and owning your mistakes so you can take pride in your successes?

It's a two sided coin. Someone has to lose for someone to win.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 21, 2016 03:16 PM (Xo1Rt)

364 I think you're thinking about the huge hack at the OPM, wherein some upgrades were subcontracted to an outfit that was chinese.

----

.... and then gave the Chinese contractors admin level passwords.....

Posted by: fixerupper at January 21, 2016 03:16 PM (8XRCm)

365 Nixon resigned. Ford immediately issued a blanket pardon.

-------

And I'm not sure Nixon ever actually committed a crime.
Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (gmeXX)

He did not have to...the Pardon was future indictments/crime related to Watergate and all

--------

I know, my point was to contrast Nixon to Clinton. Nixon was resigned and pardoned, and I'm not sure he ever committed a crime.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:16 PM (gmeXX)

366 >> "About those transcripts, Mr. Obama. Sure would be a
>> shame if those got out."

You suggesting that Comey's gonna channel his inner J Edgar?

Maybe we should send him some satin panties to help him along.

(yeah, I know, it was just rumor and widely debunked...)

Posted by: JEM at January 21, 2016 03:16 PM (o+SC1)

367 322 if the JEF wants her gone, he will threaten to indict her. Tell her she should quit. Cite heatlh reasons, and then hand the nomination more or less to someone. Maybe Sanders, maybe Warren. On his way out the door he pardons her
that is the most that will happen. no jail, no charges, ever
Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 21, 2016 03:11 PM (zOTsN)

Exactly.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 21, 2016 03:16 PM (oKE6c)

368 OK so form the advice here: Don't be Drunk, Dress snappy, don't drop the casket. Got it. I can handle that

Oh and apologize for killling....

(no. Even I can't go there).

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 21, 2016 03:16 PM (1xUj/)

369 321 They've seen what happens to those who squeal...

Hell.... Look at Edward Snowden...
Posted by: BB Wolf, registered independent at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (f7rv6)

They defect to Russia?

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2016 03:11 PM (COMrr)

You pretty much have to.... or go to jail for the rest of your life... while being called a traitor.

Whistle blowers at IRS? Most don't work there naymore.... while those they blew the whistle on got promotions...

Whistle blowers at VA Hospital??? most now gone... while those they dropped a dime on got promotions and bonuses...

Shall I continue?

Hell.... look at Katherine Herridge.... spied on by the NSA, driven out of her job.... now an independent who no major Paper or TV station will hire on a permanent basis...

Posted by: BB Wolf, registered independent at January 21, 2016 03:16 PM (f7rv6)

370 "Smith's boycott is "For The Children," Smith says, "Who Will Be Watching The Oscars And Not See Anyone Who Represents Them." "

Dear Lord, let both sides get what they want good and hard.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quench Your Fires with Ice Scream at the Outrage Outlet! at January 21, 2016 03:17 PM (hLRSq)

371 ">>Has any Democrat pol been held accountable for anything since Obama took the oath of office?"

If by held accountable you include resigning in disgrace, Anthony Weiner and Elliot Spitzer.

Posted by: Benji Carver at January 21, 2016 03:17 PM (OD2ni)

372 331 Chris, nice, how long ago did you think that one up? haha.

"Not ONE provable scandal in the Obama administration."
Posted by: fixerupper at January 21, 2016 03:12 PM (8XRCm)

That would depend on what the definition of the word "is" is. Also "provable" and "scandal" and "one." You fucks.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at January 21, 2016 03:17 PM (xuouz)

373 (yeah, I know, it was just rumor and widely debunked...)
Posted by: JEM at January 21, 2016 03:16 PM (o+SC1)

A common misconception. "Denied" and "debunked" are not synonyms.

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2016 03:17 PM (COMrr)

374 Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:12 PM (ji45d)

"About those transcripts, Mr. Obama. Sure would be a shame if those got out."
===

So you think individual FBI agents are going to try and blackmail a sitting US president, then?

Color me skeptical.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:17 PM (ji45d)

375 The Wiener/Holder 2016 ticket would grow and grow until there was a surge, a tide over the electorate.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:17 PM (39g3+)

376
Pall bearer.

Interesting phrase.

A pall is a covering for a coffin; or a dark cloud.

But a pall is also a feeling of gloom. So pall bearers are charged with the duty of bearing the gloom of carrying the beloved to the grave.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 03:18 PM (g99AB)

377 I predict a whole lot of Obama Cabinet and sub-Cabinet officials will find reasons to be out of the country in January 2017.

I predict a January 19th line out of the Oval Office extending for three miles in order to receive their pardons.

Posted by: t-bird at January 21, 2016 03:18 PM (3U4+k)

378 People in the FBI and intelligence communities get mad? Yeah. . .then what?

Someone in FBI leaks the findings of HillaryGate to FoxNews and Breitbart ?

Posted by: McCool at January 21, 2016 03:18 PM (PhpHA)

379 Pallbearer is a serious duty. Pay respect to the dead in your demeanor and dress

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 03:18 PM (2x3L+)

380 Dont hold your breath, morons. She will skate.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 21, 2016 03:18 PM (iQIUe)

381 Jews don't have pallbearers? The things you learn here.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present moment) at January 21, 2016 03:18 PM (u0lmX)

382 Miss Rodham had a server
She swore it was legit
That seems a bit unlikely
'Cause she built it where you
Shipping tons of info
S E C R E T
To Blumenthal and Huma
And our pals the F S
Being really sketchy
Can kick you in the head
For proof consult C Stevens
But oh wait you can't he's....

Etc....

Posted by: Secundus at January 21, 2016 03:18 PM (5R3E9)

383 I'm not sure he ever committed a crime.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:16 PM (gmeXX)

Well he was never convicted. I don't remember, but he might have been an " unindicted co conspirator"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:18 PM (kzdjp)

384 I posted this last night in the open thread, but it bears reposting here:

I just had an interesting conversation with a buddy of mine that works at a three letter agency (not FBI, but in the Intel Community) and I am fucking livid.

Want to know why State has been less than cooperative with turning over the Hillary! emails?

Because evidently the whole fucking State department is doing the same things she was: using unsecured non-.gov email accounts, and passing classified data over unclass networks and the unsecured accounts. They excuse it to anyone internally who questions it as being the "culture" at State.

Evidently, according to a mutual buddy with he's spoken with who's at DHS, the same thing is going on there. Also described was case files, investigation files, etc just laying around people's desks in unsecured spaces.

Un.Fucking.Real.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 21, 2016 03:18 PM (GUBah)

385 Bill and Hill and Chelsea need that sweet sweet foundation money to keep rolling in.

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 21, 2016 03:18 PM (zOTsN)

386 (yeah, I know, it was just rumor and widely debunked...)

Posted by: JEM at January 21, 2016 03:16 PM (o+SC1)

The origin of the rumor?
The KGB. (Per Harvey Klehr's book(s).) Apparently the KGB laughed their asses off about it, too.
They also started the "AIDS/crack was introduced by the CIA to afflict the brothers in the ghetto" meme.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 21, 2016 03:18 PM (oKE6c)

387 What happens is a DOJ prosecutor refuses Lynch and proceeds with the prosecution?

----------

Well Obama would squash presumably - then fire the prosecutor - all
within his power. The press would report this prosecutor as being part
of the right wing conspiracy.
==========
Huh.

I think you're right; they'd get away with it.

Even if the prosecutor was a life-long Democrat with a long history of donating to Democrats he/she would suddenly become a Koch Brothers puppet personally trained by Robert Bork and Dick Cheney.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 21, 2016 03:18 PM (fQ/0p)

388 For a bunch of foul mouthed people, I can't believe me and Bander said the most.
Posted by: L, Elle

The 'Ette what I text with all the time thinks people don't like revealing stuff like that.

To which, pish!

I'm going off to Cabela's soon. We can take some other thread into the gutter.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 21, 2016 03:18 PM (1xUj/)

389 "Its the only way to explain some of our Governments actions.... like
flying Saudis out of the country right after 9/11, when we KNEW most of
the hijackers, were Saudis...."

Bahraini (that is, well laundered Saudi) money had discreetly bailed George W. Bush out of a real pickle during his early years in business in the oil patch. Markers were called in.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 21, 2016 03:18 PM (noWW6)

390 OK A Jew needs a little help. What does a Pall Bearer do at

>> a Catholic Funeral? Serious question. I am gong to be one

>> tomorrow

Absent more professional advice, never done a Catholic service
but...dress well, do what the others do, don't drink TOO much afterward.

Posted by: JEM at January 21, 2016 03:12 PM (o+SC1)

Also, don't drop your side of the casket. Despite what others may tell you here, is NOT hilarious to see the dearly departed flopping out of their final resting box.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 21, 2016 03:19 PM (OrI3J)

391 "Not ONE provable scandal in the Obama administration."

True, a thousand is not one.

Posted by: t-bird at January 21, 2016 03:19 PM (3U4+k)

392 You know, I met a Cirque du Soliel performer once who was so spectacularly flexible that she was able to pleasure herself orally.

Placing her image next to that of Hillary Clinton "schlonging herself" demonstrates the gulf between the concepts of light and dark.

Or death and life.

Or Good versus Evil.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 21, 2016 03:19 PM (t8P62)

393 Speaking of Burr (one of my erstwhile senator R-Squish, NC), said during fund raiser that he would vote for Bernie over Ted if he is the nominee. No doubt where he stands, if there was to begin with.

Posted by: Agitator at January 21, 2016 03:19 PM (+5W46)

394
OK A Jew needs a little help. What does a Pall Bearer do at a Catholic Funeral? Serious question. I am gong to be one tomorrow

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (kzdjp)
______________________________

First and most importantly is to show up late and fucking stoned outta' your mind. The rest should just fall into place...

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 21, 2016 03:19 PM (HSmrB)

395 250 -Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 03:00 PM (g99AB)

---

So apparently, you can only be represented by one characteristic - your race. That's something a racist would say, Mr. Smith....

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at January 21, 2016 03:19 PM (i6shs)

396 >>Smith's boycott is "For The Children," Smith says, "Who Will Be Watching The Oscars And Not See Anyone Who Represents Them." "

Do kids watch the Oscars? It's in insidery circle-jerk that primarily rewards precious, progressive films that most people never see.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 21, 2016 03:19 PM (NOIQH)

397 "Smith's boycott is "For The Children," Smith says, "Who Will Be Watching The Oscars And Not See Anyone Who Represents Them."

I'm hoping this kills the whole award ceremony business. What a huge waste of time and ego.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:19 PM (39g3+)

398 No, not the same story. I think you're thinking about the huge hack at the OPM, wherein some upgrades were subcontracted to an outfit that was chinese.

Ahh yes ! So much incompetence to go around !

thanks Jack

Posted by: McCool at January 21, 2016 03:19 PM (PhpHA)

399 >> And I'm not sure Nixon ever actually committed a crime.
>> Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (gmeXX)

>> He did not have to...the Pardon was future
>> indictments/crime related to Watergate and all

Nixon's crime was the coverup.

Everything prior that he provably had fingers in was just grubby politics, nothing FDR wouldn't have recognized. Mitchell was guilty, as were some others, but my recollection is that it didn't tie directly back to Nixon.

But it was, in those days, enough, and it should be enough now.

Posted by: JEM at January 21, 2016 03:20 PM (o+SC1)

400 314 OK A Jew needs a little help. What does a Pall Bearer do at a Catholic Funeral? Serious question. I am gong to be one tomorrow
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (kzdjp)

Take one handle of the casket, greet the widow with condolences, stay sober and polite.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at January 21, 2016 03:20 PM (RD7QR)

401 I'm not sure he ever committed a crime.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:16 PM (gmeXX)

Well he was never convicted. I don't remember, but he might have been an " unindicted co conspirator"

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Maybe. I'm not sure.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:20 PM (gmeXX)

402 Townhall?!

yech ptui

Posted by: Bigby's A-holes and Elbows at January 21, 2016 03:20 PM (3ZtZW)

403 Okay, bander, I'll take your word for it. Seeya later.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 03:21 PM (2x3L+)

404
>>>FBI investigates. They do not charge anybody. DOJ does that. FBI recommends prosecution. Thats all.

What are you saying? The FBI arrests people all the time. So yes, if they wanted to, they could arrest Hillary.

Posted by: HH at January 21, 2016 03:21 PM (DrCtv)

405 Speaking of Burr (one of my erstwhile senator R-Squish, NC), said during fund raiser that he would vote for Bernie over Ted if he is the nominee. No doubt where he stands, if there was to begin with.

Posted by: Agitator at January 21, 2016 03:19 PM (+5W46)

I was told that was tin foil hat material, Guess not

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 21, 2016 03:21 PM (zOTsN)

406 Evidently, according to a mutual buddy with he's spoken with who's at DHS, the same thing is going on there. Also described was case files, investigation files, etc just laying around people's desks in unsecured spaces.
Un.Fucking.Real.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 21, 2016 03:18 PM (GUBah)

Superior intel won us the second world war and inferior intel could lose us the next one. There's more to it than numbers.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at January 21, 2016 03:21 PM (xuouz)

407 Chris, nice, how long ago did you think that one up? haha.

Can't take credit. I saw it here like last year some time.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:21 PM (39g3+)

408 I think you're thinking about the huge hack at the OPM, wherein some upgrades were subcontracted to an outfit that was chinese.

----

.... and then gave the Chinese contractors admin level passwords.....
Posted by: fixerupper at January 21, 2016 03:16 PM (8XRCm)

Things like that lend credence to the suggestion of burning Washington, D.C. to the ground, tarring and feathering every single current federal employee, and starting over.

Perhaps Texarkana would make a good new capital city. Or maybe Cimmaron County, Oklahoma for a new capitol district (although the county seat of Boise City might cause some minor confusion).

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2016 03:21 PM (COMrr)

409
Do kids watch the Oscars?

More to the point: Do black kids watch the Oscars?

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 03:21 PM (g99AB)

410 >>>How did Hillary even qualify for the clearance she had? It seems like
her past associations with questionable people would have stopped anyone
else from being able to get clearance.
.
.
.Elected officials and political appointees don't get clearances in the way we think of. They have an automatic clearance for anything they need to know for their job. There is no background checks or vetting in any way.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 21, 2016 03:22 PM (iONHu)

411 The 'Ette what I text with all the time thinks people don't like revealing stuff like that.

----

Yup.... guys think their number is too late and gals thinks theirs is too early.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 21, 2016 03:22 PM (8XRCm)

412
FBI Has No Other Choice But to Recommend a Criminal Grand Jury
..............................

I'm sure they'll get right on it as soon as they find their car keys.
*yawn*

Posted by: wth - not holding my breath at January 21, 2016 03:22 PM (HgMAr)

413 The FBI does not have their own prosecutors. The investigate. They may execute an arrest warrent that is prepared by a DOJ prosecutor, a US Attny

US Attnys work for the DOJ, not the FBI.

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 21, 2016 03:22 PM (zOTsN)

414 " Jews don't have pallbearers? The things you learn here."

Okay, mind blown.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 21, 2016 03:22 PM (LA7Cm)

415 Yeah, Bill, you're going to have to write that cigar off.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 21, 2016 03:22 PM (hvC1P)

416 Alright guys, see ya tonight on the ONT. And to Nevergiveup, good luck tomorrow, you'll do just fine. My condolences on your loss there.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 21, 2016 03:22 PM (UnJ7w)

417 So you think individual FBI agents are going to try and blackmail a sitting US president, then?

Color me skeptical.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:17 PM (ji45d)

Nothing so ham-handed. The way to do it would be to have a lower level FBI guy casually mention to a lower level DoJ guy that the agency is concerned about the lack of accountability for security lapses, because (ahem) "lack of accountability can inevitably lead to further security lapses." Said with a significant look at the DoJ guy. He'll get the message, and send it upwards.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 21, 2016 03:23 PM (oKE6c)

418 >>Jews don't have pallbearers? The things you learn here.

Well, there is someone carrying the casket to the gravesite, but doing it isn't considered a position of honor, nor part of the traditional ceremony.

Two things Jews also don't do at funerals are:

-Display embalmed cadavers at a wake. Displaying a dead body is considered uncivilized, to put it mildly. And.

-Have a big party involving drinking. Meal/food afterwards yes. Booze. . .no.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:23 PM (ji45d)

419 >> Hillary just might have schlonged herself.

I, for one, will NOT be asking for pics of this.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 21, 2016 03:23 PM (gyKtp)

420 OK A Jew needs a little help. What does a Pall Bearer do at
>> a Catholic Funeral? Serious question. I am gong to be one
>> tomorrow

====

Ya know that thing you guys do with the chair at the weddings?

Do that. No dancing, though.

Posted by: Bigby's A-holes and Elbows at January 21, 2016 03:23 PM (3ZtZW)

421 The Ayatollah Khomeini was famously dropped right out of his box into a huge crowd on the way to his burial hole.

So sad.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 21, 2016 03:23 PM (t8P62)

422 Posted by: RoyalOil at January 21, 2016 03:11 PM (fQ/0p)

Nobody there has any integrity if their pay and pension is on the line, and with Hillary I'd worry that some goon would make sure I had a little "accident".

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2016 03:23 PM (w4NZ8)

423 NGU - pretty simple. The funeral director will run the show. He might point out choke points to watch for. Lift when everyone lifts, lower when everyone lowers. Act solemn.

Drink heartily after.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 21, 2016 03:23 PM (fbovC)

424 If they want to get her on this they have to come after some underling.

A lot of people are or are about to take the 5th.

Immunity from prosecution is the only way.

"Mrs. Clinton ordered me to remove the header."

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at January 21, 2016 03:23 PM (X+nFp)

425 peaking of Burr (one of my erstwhile senator R-Squish, NC), said during
fund raiser that he would vote for Bernie over Ted if he is the nominee.
No doubt where he stands, if there was to begin with.

Posted by: Agitator at January 21, 2016 03:19 PM (+5W46)

Seriously?? What was his pathetic GPOe reasoning?

Posted by: PAgirlinNC at January 21, 2016 03:23 PM (IyKms)

426 NGU, you'll be just fine. It's like military duty. You know how to be serious and professional. It's an honor to be asked to be a pallbearer, and you'll do it well.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 03:23 PM (2x3L+)

427
But it quickly turns into a pointless circular argument.

Idiots like Will Pinkett Smith and Spoke Lee will say that the reason black kids don't watch in the first place is because the Oscars are for whites.

You can't win with these racists.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 03:23 PM (g99AB)

428 Speaking of Burr (one of my erstwhile senator R-Squish, NC), said during fund raiser that he would vote for Bernie over Ted if he is the nominee. No doubt where he stands, if there was to begin with.

------------

He stands for himself. Jay Cost has been tweeting about this today. Trump has shown a willingness to deal. Cruz has shown a willingness to not deal. Who would you rather have as a trading partner?

As a conservative or someone who really wants to see DC change, I'd prefer Cruz. If I'm a Congressman who just wants my graft too - Trump.

Trump is not the establishment's preferred choice. But he is more acceptable than Cruz.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:24 PM (gmeXX)

429 What are you saying? The FBI arrests people all the time. So yes, if they wanted to, they could arrest Hillary.

Sure, they can arrest her, but unless the justice department charges them then they have to set the person they arrested free after a short time.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:24 PM (39g3+)

430
417 So you think individual FBI agents are going to try and blackmail a sitting US president, then?

Color me skeptical.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:17 PM (ji45d)

Nothing so ham-handed. The way to do it would be to have a lower level FBI guy casually mention to a lower level DoJ guy that the agency is concerned about the lack of accountability for security lapses, because (ahem) "lack of accountability can inevitably lead to further security lapses." Said with a significant look at the DoJ guy. He'll get the message, and send it upwards.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 21, 2016 03:23 PM (oKE6c)

Ladies and Gentlemen.... as exhibit 1, I submit J. Edgar Hoover...

Posted by: BB Wolf, registered independent at January 21, 2016 03:24 PM (f7rv6)

431 I love that there is going to be a boycott of the Oscars. What this does is directly accuse the Academy members of racism. Couldn't happen to a better group of people.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 21, 2016 03:25 PM (khWYc)

432 No one else would schlong her...

Posted by: macleod at January 21, 2016 03:25 PM (Qf5bp)

433
Dont hold your breath, morons. She will skate.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 21, 2016 03:18 PM (iQIUe)
..............

Oh no! Not those pointy little shoes again!

Posted by: Hillary!s feet at January 21, 2016 03:25 PM (HgMAr)

434 "Has any Democrat pol been held accountable for anything since Obama took the oath of office?"

Ray Nagin went to the pokey.

Although that was mostly down to Loot-siana inside baseball stuff.

No one in the local power structure cared that Nagin was as crooked as a hound dog's back leg, because they all are too. What got him in trouble was not spreading around enough of his boodle to others in the know. If he'd just done that, he would have walked.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 21, 2016 03:25 PM (noWW6)

435 #390 Also, don't drop your side of the casket. Despite what others may tell
you here, is NOT hilarious to see the dearly departed flopping out of
their final resting box.
==

Worse than not hilarious:

http://tinyurl.com/zt7lpmr

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:25 PM (ji45d)

436 >> The Ayatollah Khomeini was famously dropped right out of
>> his box into a huge crowd on the way to his burial hole.

Quick, get a couple pigs to shit on him! Better yet, just eat the bastard!

Oops, too late!

Posted by: JEM at January 21, 2016 03:25 PM (o+SC1)

437 "Then, when she's gone, get drunk and party for 24

hours."

so, business as usual for the SS? will there be underage hookers too?

Asking for her husband

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2016 03:26 PM (mEDP6)

438 My advice? Don't throw your voice and make it sound like "if I was a rich man" is coming from the casket

"Always look on the bright side of life" is probably out too

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 21, 2016 03:26 PM (hvC1P)

439 "314 OK A Jew needs a little help. What does a Pall Bearer do at a Catholic Funeral? Serious question. I am gong to be one tomorrow
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (kzdjp)"

Whatever you do, no crazy smiling like the guy from Burnt Offerings.

Posted by: Benji Carver at January 21, 2016 03:26 PM (OD2ni)

440 I love that there is going to be a boycott of the Oscars. What this does is directly accuse the Academy members of racism. Couldn't happen to a better group of people.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 21, 2016 03:25 PM (khWYc)

The left will always eat its own.

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2016 03:26 PM (COMrr)

441
I'd also love to see a black boycott of the NFL.

So sick of these shitbag-media-pc organizations who think they can have it all.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 03:26 PM (g99AB)

442 Mutter Dennis Hopper's lines from Apocalypse Now at the funeral. Always gets a laugh.

Posted by: Bigby's A-holes and Elbows at January 21, 2016 03:26 PM (3ZtZW)

443 Posted by: Bigby's A-holes and Elbows at January 21, 2016 03:23 PM (3ZtZW)

very good analogy.

Nevergiveup-The funeral director tells the pall bearers what to do, but the casket is on a roller. coming out of the funeral home When needed you-and the other pall bearers just pick it up before it goes into the hearse and at the cremation site or in the cemetery..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2016 03:26 PM (w4NZ8)

444 "Sure, they can arrest her, but unless the justice department charges them then they have to set the person they arrested free after a short time."

so arrest her for one crime at a time. then arrest her again on release.

even if she gets out in a day, her rap sheet would keep her in jail for a year...only one day at a time

Posted by: Grad School Fool at January 21, 2016 03:27 PM (A9KzJ)

445 "Always look on the bright side of life" is probably out too
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 21, 2016 03:26 PM (hvC1P)

-----

"Wake me up.... before you go go..."

Posted by: fixerupper at January 21, 2016 03:27 PM (8XRCm)

446 >> Also, don't drop your side of the casket. Despite what
>> others may tell you here, is NOT hilarious to see the
>> dearly departed flopping out of their final resting box.

Unless they get up and walk away.

Ideally, they thank everyone for the thoughts and flowers in the process.

Posted by: JEM at January 21, 2016 03:27 PM (o+SC1)

447 Why have we not tried KSM? Because some of the info used to catch him is heavily classified, and trying him would inevitably reveal sources and methods. The same excuse may be used here. To try her would reveal more secrets and be "TOO" damaging...

Posted by: macleod at January 21, 2016 03:27 PM (Qf5bp)

448 God be with you, NGU.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 03:28 PM (2x3L+)

449 Or church-in a church they might have to carry it down the aisle. I've haven't been to funeral at a RCC for years.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2016 03:28 PM (w4NZ8)

450 421 The Ayatollah Khomeini was famously dropped right out of his box into a huge crowd on the way to his burial hole.

So sad.
Posted by: Sharkman at January 21, 2016 03:23 PM (t8P62)

The rumor I heard is that the body was pulled out by souvenir hunters who wanted a piece of his shroud.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at January 21, 2016 03:28 PM (RD7QR)

451 It just cracks me up. Every actor thinks the only possible thing keeping them from a best actor Oscar is politics, racism, sexism, etc. It can't possibly be that they just aren't that good. That's the level of ego you're dealing with.

Meanwhile the rest of the world is going "big deal, a little statue."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:28 PM (39g3+)

452
At my funeral.... I want one of you morons to rent a Grim Reaper costume and just stand silently in the back.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 21, 2016 03:28 PM (8XRCm)

453 Here's a "hilarious" dropped casket video. Palestinian "victim" of the (non existent) Jenin "Massacre" mysteriously comes back to life after his bier is dropped:

http://tinyurl.com/jh7l5lr

I think this is the SECOND most famous resurrection of the dead that's occured in Palestine.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:28 PM (ji45d)

454 Since no TV news network except Fox will report this and the New York Times and all the newspapers who just copy their stories will not report it either, this story is going to be effectively embargoed at the national level.

That is why if the FBI wants to get the story out, they are going to have to get it out to local newspapers and TV stations around the country. While those local stations and papers may be leftists, they are more likely to get excited about a local opportunity to interview a current or recently retired FBI agent who can pass on to them exclusive details about Mrs.Clinton's many felonies associated with the server. Each of those felonies could be worth ten years in federal PMITA prison.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 21, 2016 03:28 PM (QHgTq)

455 NGU:

don't plotz.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 21, 2016 03:28 PM (Xo1Rt)

456 365
Nixon resigned. Ford immediately issued a blanket pardon.

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And I'm not sure Nixon ever actually committed a crime.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (gmeXX)

He did not have to...the Pardon was future indictments/crime related to Watergate and all

--------

I know, my point was to contrast Nixon to Clinton. Nixon was
resigned and pardoned, and I'm not sure he ever committed a crime.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:16 PM (gmeXX)

-----Interesting. Can you "pardon" someone PRIOR to charges being filed? Wouldn't that just be "not pressing charges".Now that I think about it (for 10 seconds), IMO, Ford was just saying he wasn't going to look into Nixon's activities and can't we all move along?

An Obama pardon has to be for a specific charge, no? If the Judical Branch has nothing in their domain to pardon, Hillary is not in danger of double jeopardy and the next adminstration (ball-less GOP) could prosecute.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 21, 2016 03:29 PM (Xhvpw)

457 >>>>>At my funeral.... I want one of you morons to rent a Grim Reaper costume and just stand silently in the back.
.
.
.OK, that was funny.

It's a Mr. Grimm about some reaping.......

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 21, 2016 03:29 PM (iONHu)

458 NGU, you'll be just fine. It's like military duty. You know how to be serious and professional. It's an honor to be asked to be a pallbearer, and you'll do it well.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 03:23 PM (2x3L+)

NGU, just keep your fingers crossed that you don't have a slight problem that one of our funeral details had when I was doing them in Pensacola.

The detail unloaded the casket from the hearse, got about halfway to the grave site, and suddenly the casket got significantly lighter...the bottom had fallen out of it, along with the body. Shortly thereafter, the family got very hefty settlement from the airline that had shipped the deceased home to be buried.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 21, 2016 03:29 PM (GUBah)

459 You can sleep at home tonight if you can get up and walk away.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 21, 2016 03:30 PM (Xo1Rt)

460 At my funeral.... I want one of you morons to rent a Grim Reaper costume and just stand silently in the back.

At my funeral I want all of you Morons to stand on the beach and watch the boat containing my corpse, my weapons, and my best wives be consumed by the flames.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 21, 2016 03:30 PM (1xUj/)

461 Usually the DOJ and the FBI work together throughout an investigation. FBI investigtes, if they have questions they call the DOJ. Many FBI agents are lawyers but they do not prosecute. They forward the file to the US attny, who looks at it and they might tell the FBI if they think they need more evidence

the US Attny can return the report asking for more evidence; or draft charges; or decline to investigate; or do nothing. Just sit on it, like a pocket veto

if the US attny decides to prefer charges, they draft them and may send them back to the FBI to execute the arrest warrant. The US attny is independant of the FBI and is an employee of the DOJ

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 21, 2016 03:30 PM (zOTsN)

462 Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 you picked the wrong thread to talk about sex. Few want to discuss their own sex lives in a Hillary Clinton thread because nobody wants Hill anywhere near their sex lives.

For the same reason, I would not bring up food in a Hillary thread. Because that might cause the Horde to, well, to bring up their food and not in a good way. Everyone barfing into their wastepaper baskets - that would not be a good thing.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present moment) at January 21, 2016 03:30 PM (u0lmX)

463 the last few funerals i've been involved in recently, the pall bearers were more ceremonial than needed.

pretty much the only lifting was cart to hearse, hearse to cart, cart to lowering device...

not like the old days where you actually had to walk holding that heavy bastard

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2016 03:30 PM (mEDP6)

464 The rumor I heard is that the body was pulled out by souvenir hunters who wanted a piece of his shroud.

Muzzies do love a good corpse.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 21, 2016 03:30 PM (8ZskC)

465 are Dems this stupid?

Posted by: Feh at January 21, 2016 02:42 PM (9iYoJ)

Substitute "treasonous" for "stupid".

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 21, 2016 03:30 PM (GsebS)

466 so arrest her for one crime at a time. then arrest her again on release.

And get the FBI and yourself sued for harassment.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:31 PM (39g3+)

467 I told my family I wanted "Let My People Go-Go" by The Rainmakers played as a recessional at my funeral.

They were not impressed.

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2016 03:31 PM (COMrr)

468 "Everyone barfing into their wastepaper baskets - that would not be a good thing."

i call dibs on the big pieces!

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 21, 2016 03:31 PM (mEDP6)

469 394
OK A Jew needs a little help. What does a Pall Bearer do at a Catholic Funeral? Serious question. I am gong to be one tomorrow

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (kzdjp)

It's kind of easy these days because most of the time the casket is now on a wheeled cart - not a lot of bearing it on your shoulder anymore...- and there will be at least 5 other guys there so you can follow their lead. Also, the funeral parlor usually has a bunch of guys ready to jump in and help carry. They'll tell you all you need to know.

And since I come from a big Italian family and we have as many funerals as weddings and baptisms, here's a little story about the funeral home in my dad's old neighborhood ( full disclosure: went to many a wake there when I was a child...) ...http://tinyurl.com/jxe8f2r

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at January 21, 2016 03:31 PM (oQQwD)

470 At my funeral I want all of you Morons to stand on the beach and watch the boat containing my corpse, my weapons, and my best wives be consumed by the flames.

You'll need a skilled archer for that. And longbow, not crossbow.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 21, 2016 03:32 PM (8ZskC)

471 Hillary won't go to trial or jail for her crimes, but her lack of popularity will cause the democrats to dump her as a candidate.

Then George Clooney takes over.

The democrats don't have anyone who can generate any excitement and now they know they can run a celebrity instead of a politician.

Posted by: jwest at January 21, 2016 03:32 PM (Zs4uk)

472 >>>>> Or church-in a church they might have to carry it down the aisle. I've haven't been to funeral at a RCC for years.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2016 03:28 PM
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That's the standard procedure for a Catholic funeral. The casket is carried from the hearse and down the central aisle and laid in front of the alter. Anytime the casket has to be moved, the pallbearers do it. It's really beautiful actually.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 03:32 PM (2x3L+)

473 -----Interesting. Can you "pardon" someone PRIOR to charges being filed?
Wouldn't that just be "not pressing charges".Now that I think about it
(for 10 seconds), IMO, Ford was just saying he wasn't going to look into
Nixon's activities and can't we all move along?

An Obama pardon
has to be for a specific charge, no? If the Judical Branch has nothing
in their domain to pardon, Hillary is not in danger of double jeopardy
and the next adminstration (ball-less GOP) could prosecute.

You can pardon someone prospectively. That's exactly what Ford did.

Probably no need for a specific charge, either. Just for "activities relating to ..." or "in connection with ..." will do.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 21, 2016 03:32 PM (oKE6c)

474 Muzzies do love a good corpse.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 21, 2016 03:30 PM (8ZskC)

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Yeah.... with a broom handle....

Posted by: Zombie Momahr Quadaffi at January 21, 2016 03:33 PM (8XRCm)

475 Then George Clooney takes over.

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Considering where we are going, I'd say he is the democrat frontrunner for 2020.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:33 PM (gmeXX)

476 and so it begins

Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at January 21, 2016 03:33 PM (evdj2)

477 >>Nothing so ham-handed. The way to do it would be to have a lower level
FBI guy casually mention to a lower level DoJ guy that the agency is
concerned about the lack of accountability for security lapses, because
(ahem) "lack of accountability can inevitably lead to further security
lapses." Said with a significant look at the DoJ guy. He'll get the
message, and send it upwards.

Yeah, so?

DOJ isn't going to change its stance because it knows the FBI has dirt on Clinton. . .

Actually, now that I think about this, maybe the DOJ *wants* the FBI to leak dirt on Clinton. That way they don't have to do the dirty work. Clinton skates on criminal charges, but her "legacy" gets destroyed, and so does her campaign.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:33 PM (ji45d)

478 >>Or church-in a church they might have to carry it down the
>> aisle. I've haven't been to funeral at a RCC for years.

I've done the carry-thing, it wasn't Catholic but we were responsible for getting the encased deceased from the front of the church to the hearse without benefit of wheels.

While your first prayers should be with the family, your next prayer needs to be that they didn't order the heavy, expensive casket.

Me, I think I'm going to start working on the motorized robotic cart to zip me out of the service. It'll zip back and forth across the parking lot blaring 'Killed By Death' before roaring up to the back of the hearse and launching me inside with a compressed-air ram.

At the rate I get things done, I'll need all the time I've got.

Posted by: JEM at January 21, 2016 03:33 PM (o+SC1)

479 Muzzies do love a good corpse.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 21, 2016 03:30 PM (8ZskC)

Who doesn't love Muslim corpses? We need a lot more of them just to go around.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 21, 2016 03:33 PM (oKE6c)

480 "431
I love that there is going to be a boycott of the Oscars. What this
does is directly accuse the Academy members of racism. Couldn't happen
to a better group of people.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 21, 2016 03:25 PM (khWYc)"

As the Instapundit points out, those racists in Hollywood should be punished by repealing the Eisenhower tax cuts on movies.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 21, 2016 03:33 PM (QHgTq)

481 Funerals aren't about the dead person anyway. Yeah, they seem to be but they're really about the people left behind. The dead guy is a maguffin to help them deal with their grief. Its like the wedding isn't really about the bride and groom at all, its about her parents.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:34 PM (39g3+)

482 Then George Clooney takes over.

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Considering where we are going, I'd say he is the democrat frontrunner for 2020.
Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:33 PM (gmeXX)

Clooney/DeCaprio 2020?

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2016 03:34 PM (COMrr)

483 Few want to discuss their own sex lives in a Hillary Clinton thread because nobody wants Hill anywhere near their sex lives. LOL

Actually, I think sometime ago, there was a thread where whomever wanted to discuss this. My impression was it was more men who wanted to discuss,this then women and it was a bit of one upsmanship-as if you lost your virginity at 16 it made you a more special; person than if you did at 17, etc.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2016 03:34 PM (w4NZ8)

484 432 No one else would schlong her...

Posted by: macleod at January 21, 2016 03:25 PM (Qf5bp)

So who wields the dildo on her? Huma?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 21, 2016 03:34 PM (GsebS)

485 countrysinger, that's so awful. How terrible.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 03:34 PM (2x3L+)

486 476 and so it begins
Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at January 21, 2016 03:33 PM (evdj2)

Hopefully this deaf dumb and blind squirrel has found an acorn

Posted by: Ghost of kari at January 21, 2016 03:35 PM (xuouz)

487 Posted by: fixerupper at January 21, 2016 03:28 PM (8XRCm)

I think it would be great if I could record myself saying "But I'm not dead yet! I'm feeling much better!" before my death and then a friend would play it - loudly - at a pause in the service.

Man, the faces people would make! I would lol- oh, wait, no, I wouldn't.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present moment) at January 21, 2016 03:35 PM (u0lmX)

488 NGU, just keep your fingers crossed that you don't have a slight problem that one of our funeral details had when I was doing them in Pensacola.

The detail unloaded the casket from the hearse, got about halfway to the grave site, and suddenly the casket got significantly lighter...the bottom had fallen out of it, along with the body. Shortly thereafter, the family got very hefty settlement from the airline that had shipped the deceased home to be buried.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 21, 2016 03:29 PM (GUBah)

yeah this is not Military. My neighbor and friend passed away at 54 from Cancer.. Bad way to go.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:35 PM (kzdjp)

489
The worst part of this stupid oscar boycott is yet to come.

The phonies who will attend the Oscars (because they're up for an award) will make a little speech at the podium pretending they stand by the blacks.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 03:36 PM (g99AB)

490 439 "314 OK A Jew needs a little help. What does a Pall Bearer do at a Catholic Funeral? Serious question. I am gong to be one tomorrow
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:10 PM (kzdjp)"

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Just don't drop the box.

Posted by: Soona at January 21, 2016 03:36 PM (Fmupd)

491 Thinking back to the Clinton impeachment and how the dem machine turned perjury and obstruction of justice into prudish R's upset about a blowjob, it's not too difficult to see them turning this into a simple email screwup, no different than accidentally hitting reply all in your gmail, but who knows, maybe this time there will actually be some accountability.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at January 21, 2016 03:36 PM (1Wyg2)

492 DOJ isn't going to change its stance because it knows the FBI has dirt on Clinton. . .

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:33 PM (ji45d)

The point was that the FBI probably has dirt on the decision makers (*cough*Obama*cough*) (or Jarrett, etc.), and so could effectively put the question to the decision makers - elliptically, so they don't lose face - that it's in their best interest to hang Hillary out to dry to save themselves.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 21, 2016 03:36 PM (oKE6c)

493 Actually, I think Khomeini was mostly ripped to shreds by the souvenir hunters though that fact was not revealed publicly.

The pieces of shroud were a great souvenirs, yes, but just imagine the Muzzie glee lit up on the face of the guy who took home his dick!

Posted by: Sharkman at January 21, 2016 03:37 PM (t8P62)

494 Team Hillary's response is more of the same: Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, LOL.

The Democrats know the average intelligence of their base very well.

Posted by: rickl at January 21, 2016 03:37 PM (zoehZ)

495 "Look, he's moving!"

Posted by: Disembodied Punchlines at January 21, 2016 03:37 PM (8ZskC)

496 At Ed Koch's Funeral as they carried his casket from the Temple to the Hearse, they played "New York, New York" and every one sang it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:37 PM (kzdjp)

497 Then George Clooney takes over.

Nope, not a white guy. I mean, yeah he could win, but the Dems need someone with special identity group immunity. White guys don't get that.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:37 PM (39g3+)

498
Dicrapio will probably win something that night and he'll go to accept his award where he'll support the blacks with a few trite words.

And the audience and the media will lap it up.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 03:37 PM (g99AB)

499 Things have been tame around here today.

I blame Ghost of Kari.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:37 PM (gmeXX)

500 if you are going to strike the king you have to kill him

DOJ is run by Loretta Lynch and they will do nothing without Obamas ok

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 21, 2016 03:38 PM (zOTsN)

501 At my funeral I want all of you Morons to stand on
the beach and watch the boat containing my corpse, my weapons, and my
best wives be consumed by the flames.

Posted by: Bandersnatch,

To save you the worry about your weapons making the pyre (hint -- they won't), just go ahead and will them to me now.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 21, 2016 03:38 PM (gyKtp)

502 >>> Funerals aren't about the dead person anyway. Yeah, they seem to be but they're really about the people left behind. The dead guy is a maguffin to help them deal with their grief. Its like the wedding isn't really about the bride and groom at all, its about her parents.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:34 PM
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I have no problem with you, but that is incredibly cynical. I guess you haven't been to many funerals or haven't lost anyone you loved dearly?

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 03:38 PM (2x3L+)

503 X factor here as well is that Lynch came up and made her career via the Clintons.

Certainly there would be some amount of loyalty to protect the Clintons. But you can be sure that the Clintons will have dirt on Lynch as well.

Posted by: other joe_mama at January 21, 2016 03:38 PM (13W9U)

504 Two things Jews also don't do at funerals are:

-Display embalmed cadavers at a wake. Displaying a dead body is considered uncivilized, to put it mildly. And.

-Have a big party involving drinking. Meal/food afterwards yes. Booze. . .no.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:23 PM (ji45d)

And the body is supposed to be buried by the first night. Nothing but a simple pine box. And shiva (the food and gathering) goes on for a week at the deceased's house (or someone close). "Shiva" is the same root as "sheva", which is the number 7.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 21, 2016 03:39 PM (zc3Db)

505 Ya know how to get this on all the networks, right?

Trumpet it out.

Whatever The Donald says gets reported, and repetitively.

He might want to be saying other things in IA, but the polling in NH and SC shows he can pretty much say what he pleases about anything.

"I'm really worried about what she did. Anybody could have stolen our secrets. It's a crime. I'm not sure what she should be charged with, but it's serious. It could mean jail!"

Posted by: the littl shyning man at January 21, 2016 03:39 PM (cOZI3)

506 Dicrapio will probably win something that night and he'll go to accept his award where he'll support the blacks with a few trite words.

Yep. He already covered the Indians at the last award show, so now he can do blacks. Soon, everyone will have peace and justice.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 21, 2016 03:39 PM (8ZskC)

507
after the church service the pall beaers also follow the herse to the cemetary remove the casket from the hersee and place it on the platform to be lowered into the grave

Posted by: flawless male logic at January 21, 2016 03:39 PM (lKyWE)

508 Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:39 PM (kzdjp)

509 Posted by: GnuBreed at January 21, 2016 03:38 PM (gyKtp)

Don't you want the wives too? They're his best ones!

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present moment) at January 21, 2016 03:39 PM (u0lmX)

510 Considering where we are going, I'd say he is the democrat frontrunner for 2020.

Will Smith. After not getting an Oscar he deserves it!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2016 03:40 PM (w4NZ8)

511 Shortly thereafter, the family got very hefty settlement from the airline that had shipped the deceased home to be buried.

I get that lawyers always want to sue the deepest pockets, but how is that not the fault of the funeral home that sold them the grotesquely overpriced box?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:40 PM (39g3+)

512 It just cracks me up. Every actor thinks the only
possible thing keeping them from a best actor Oscar is politics, racism,
sexism, etc. It can't possibly be that they just aren't that good.
That's the level of ego you're dealing with.

Meanwhile the rest of the world is going "big deal, a little statue."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:28 PM (39g3+)

This.
I am an overpaid hack never seems to occur to them as a reason.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 21, 2016 03:40 PM (OrI3J)

513 "496 At Ed Koch's Funeral as they carried his casket from the Temple to the Hearse, they played "New York, New York" and every one sang it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup"

Really? I never heard that. Awesome. If only most Dems were like Koch. Liberal, but resaonable.

Posted by: Benji Carver at January 21, 2016 03:40 PM (OD2ni)

514 It's a Mr. Grimm about some reaping.......

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It was the shrimp, wasn't it?

Posted by: Bigby's A-holes and Elbows at January 21, 2016 03:40 PM (3ZtZW)

515 Ace, you are Rhonda Roussey. I am Holly Holm. *cackle*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 21, 2016 03:40 PM (/oepq)

516 after the church service the pall beaers also follow the herse to the cemetary remove the casket from the hersee and place it on the platform to be lowered into the grave
Posted by: flawless male logic at January 21, 2016 03:39 PM (lKyWE)

See now that is the kind of tip I need. So after the Mass I HAVE to go to the Cemetery no matter what the weather. Got it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:40 PM (kzdjp)

517 pretty much the only lifting was cart to hearse, hearse to cart, cart to lowering device...

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Putting the cart before the hearse?

Posted by: Bigby's A-holes and Elbows at January 21, 2016 03:41 PM (3ZtZW)

518 499 Things have been tame around here today.
I blame Ghost of Kari.
Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:37 PM (gmeXX)

Consider this a well-earned respite from the Trumpenkrieg. The next two weeks are gonna be bananas.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at January 21, 2016 03:41 PM (xuouz)

519
I have no problem with you, but that is incredibly cynical.

How is it cynical? People need to deal with their grief, and the funeral is a device to help them get through it and get support from family and friends. But its not about the person who died.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:42 PM (39g3+)

520 Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 03:38 PM (2x3L+)

I don't think that's cynical. From a faith perspective it really is about the survivors, dealing with grief and if people of faith-having hope that this is not the end of the story.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2016 03:42 PM (w4NZ8)

521 Hillary you drunken hag it's Ronda Rousey.

Have Huma spellcheck your post next time.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at January 21, 2016 03:42 PM (xuouz)

522 The problem is not enough gun control.

http://tinyurl.com/gnehmn2

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 21, 2016 03:42 PM (Nwg0u)

523

msnbc is reporting now that Rick Snyder has been called to testify before Congress

Yes, a Republican governor has been called to testify by a Republican Congress.

Why? Because the Republican Congress is really run by the Democrats and Democrat-loyal Republicans.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 03:42 PM (g99AB)

524 NGU, take the day off tomorrow. Anywhere that casket goes, you go to lift it and move it until it's buried in the ground.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 03:42 PM (2x3L+)

525 Really? I never heard that. Awesome. If only most Dems were like Koch. Liberal, but resaonable.
Posted by: Benji Carver at January 21, 2016 03:40 PM (OD2ni)

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Those Dems are gone. Driven from the party. Theyre not even Dems anymore. Theyre Marxists.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 21, 2016 03:42 PM (8XRCm)

526 "423
NGU - pretty simple. The funeral director will run the show. He might
point out choke points to watch for. Lift when everyone lifts, lower
when everyone lowers. Act solemn.

Drink heartily after.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 21, 2016 03:23 PM (fbovC)"

Well, if it is an Irish funeral, there will be plenty of drinking the night before at the wake. Keep an eye on the other pall bearers who might be a bit hung over.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 21, 2016 03:42 PM (QHgTq)

527 Sorry about your loss, NGU.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 21, 2016 03:42 PM (2uUh3)

528 "496 At Ed Koch's Funeral as they carried his casket from the Temple to the Hearse, they played "New York, New York" and every one sang it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup"

Really? I never heard that. Awesome. If only most Dems were like Koch. Liberal, but resaonable.
Posted by: Benji Carver at January 21, 2016 03:40 PM (OD2ni)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdOq2-lWvbI

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2016 03:42 PM (kzdjp)

529 PROSECUTORIAL DISCRETION!!1!

Posted by: lORETTA lYNCH at January 21, 2016 03:43 PM (XRxxn)

530 509 >> Don't you want the wives too? They're his best ones!

Posted by: Donna and V.

Did I leave them out?

Why, yes I did.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 21, 2016 03:43 PM (gyKtp)

531 If anyone can schlong herself, Madam Secretary can.

She is that gifted and accomplished.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 21, 2016 03:43 PM (1ijHg)

532 msnbc is reporting now that Rick Snyder has been called to testify before Congress

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He should refuse on principle.

Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:43 PM (gmeXX)

533 I get that lawyers always want to sue the deepest pockets, but how is that not the fault of the funeral home that sold them the grotesquely overpriced box?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:40 PM (39g3+)

I don't know the full details, but evidently it was demonstrably provable that the casket had been damaged in shipping by the airline. Wooden casket, IIRC.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 21, 2016 03:43 PM (GUBah)

534 >>> Actually, I think Khomeini was mostly ripped to shreds by the souvenir hunters though that fact was not revealed publicly.

I once saw some footage of that. The crowd was going crazy, grabbing the coffin and the body fell out. The video stopped then, but word was the throngs tore the body to shreds.

Posted by: HH at January 21, 2016 03:43 PM (DrCtv)

535 NGU - other suggestions. Try to be in the middle position, if possible. You'll probably need to support about 50# of weight. If you're on the end and have to reposition your hands from fatigue it would be obvious.

I've had to carry nearly every member of my wifes (Catholic) family to the grave. It's actually a sign of respect to be chosen. You're probably in pretty decent shape.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 21, 2016 03:44 PM (fbovC)

536
It was the shrimp, wasn't it?
Posted by: Bigby's A-holes and Elbows at January 21, 2016 03:40 PM (3ZtZW)

Salmon mousse, IIRC.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at January 21, 2016 03:44 PM (vgIRn)

537 Next year's oscars are going to be a BET festival. They'll wheel Whoopi Goldberg up to the podium and parade every old black actor past for lifetime achievement awards, etc. Like people said, every actor will due their obeisance when they make a speech, bowing and scraping to black activists.

And nobody will watch it that year, either.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:45 PM (39g3+)

538 I once saw some footage of that. The crowd was going crazy, grabbing the coffin and the body fell out. The video stopped then, but word was the throngs tore the body to shreds.

Partners in Peace, baby!

Posted by: Prez'nit Shit Midas at January 21, 2016 03:45 PM (8ZskC)

539 in vietnam some enterprising AF lads shipped drugs home in caskets for sale in the US

Posted by: ThunderB, Bitchin Betty at January 21, 2016 03:45 PM (zOTsN)

540 I have no problem with you, but that is incredibly cynical. I guess you haven't been to many funerals or haven't lost anyone you loved dearly?
Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 03:38 PM (2x3L+)

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In a way he's right. Godly people generally don't grieve (or wail) at funerals. Most of the time it's the family coming together for a reunion. We usually don't get the chance otherwise.

Posted by: Soona at January 21, 2016 03:45 PM (Fmupd)

541 I once saw some footage of that. The crowd was going crazy, grabbing the coffin and the body fell out. The video stopped then, but word was the throngs tore the body to shreds.
Posted by: HH at January 21, 2016 03:43 PM (DrCtv)

These poor people need nuclear energy and renewed international standing to improve their lives.

That's all that's keeping these insane zomboid savages, who ripped their spiritual leader's body to pieces, from being sweet little integrated members of our society.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at January 21, 2016 03:45 PM (xuouz)

542 >>The point was that the FBI probably has dirt on the decision makers
(*cough*Obama*cough*) (or Jarrett, etc.), and so could effectively put
the question to the decision makers - elliptically, so they don't lose
face - that it's in their best interest to hang Hillary out to dry to
save themselves.

I "get" that the FBI probably has tons of dirt on Obama, etc. But Obama also probably knows this. If he decides that he's not going to prosecute Clinton (and I think he has, already) then possibility that FBI will start leaking dirt in retribution has already been considered.

Obama is going to be out the door. . .he probably doesn't care.

I'm just wondering if they can run out the clock here. Its end of Jan now, election is in less than 300 days. If it takes 3-6 more months before this even gets referred for prosecution, maybe AG can stall it for a few more (Stalls for 90 days, then comes back with "bring me more evidence"). By then its too late.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:45 PM (ji45d)

543 NGU, yeah, primarily you carry the casket. The funeral director will instruct you in accordance with the deceased's wishes (or the family's as the case may be).

The service itself you don't have much role in so don't sweat that.

Condolences and a strong back.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 21, 2016 03:46 PM (9krrF)

544
A Clinton finally brought to justice?

Just too good to be true.

Posted by: Randy Westerfeld at January 21, 2016 03:46 PM (zp6Kj)

545
Huma - find out if I can take my subian to lockup, and can you visit weekly to service the pink and jewel encrusted phenomenon?

Posted by: Sir Rodham at January 21, 2016 03:46 PM (OiFtZ)

546 Yeah, funerals aren't about the dead.

Some come to pay their respects and some come to make sure the deceased is really dead but they're all there to reaffirm that they're still above ground.

It's interesting how the closer you get to the end the more you think about stuff like this.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 21, 2016 03:46 PM (Xo1Rt)

547 C. Scratching frantically at the lid of his coffin!

Posted by: Amy Schumer at January 21, 2016 03:46 PM (evdj2)

548 So late to this party, next.

Posted by: Skip at January 21, 2016 03:47 PM (hk3Fb)

549 >>>> How is it cynical? People need to deal with their grief, and the funeral is a device to help them get through it and get support from family and friends. But its not about the person who died.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:42 PM ------
Okay, walking back a little bit. Yes, the whole process of arranging a funeral provides some relief and emotional healing and aid as a temporary measure and maybe distraction, but I'm there to pray for the eternal rest of that soul, not to make myself feel better. Maybe that makes sense?

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 03:47 PM (2x3L+)

550 about the dead person anyway. Yeah, they seem to be but they're really about the people left behind. The dead guy is a maguffin to help them deal with their grief. Its like the wedding isn't really about the bride and groom at all, its about her parents.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:34 PM
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I have no problem with you, but that is incredibly cynical. I guess you haven't been to many funerals or haven't lost anyone you loved dearly?

Posted by: L, Elle at January 21, 2016 03:38 PM (2x3L+)

Well, I wouldn't call the dead person "a maguffin." That's rather tactless. The whole reason they are there grieving is because they just lost a person they deeply loved. It's not like the death of just any old person will do, they'll react exactly the same.

But I get what CT means, in that the funeral rites help the survivors deal with the loss. Even those of us who believe in an afterlife doubt that the dead are concerned with who turns up at their funeral.

(Well, except that I will be. I'll be pissed if you're not all there - take a few days off damnit and get your asses over here. I also expect nice flowers and music and my family better not pop for the el cheapo coffin.)

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present moment) at January 21, 2016 03:47 PM (u0lmX)

551 I once saw some footage of that. The crowd was going crazy, grabbing the coffin and the body fell out. The video stopped then, but word was the throngs tore the body to shreds.

Posted by: HH at January 21, 2016 03:43 PM (DrCtv)

And you can't find that video anywhere on the internet. Nowhere. It has been totally removed.

I was looking for it to make a little piece about the difference between the West and the muslim world in which I was contrasting Reagan's funeral with the Ayatollah's mob scene. I searched and searched and searched for that footage of the ayatollah thrown off by the mob (which was some of the funniest stuff ever) but could not find it. It has been taken down from everyplace.

Arafat's funeral procession in Ramallah came pretty damn close. It was almost a classic as they tried to get his grungy corpse onto that helicopter.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 21, 2016 03:47 PM (zc3Db)

552 Old ladies at weddings always poke me and say, "You're next." So I have started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at January 21, 2016 03:48 PM (evdj2)

553
So late to this party, next.

Posted by: Skip

Well, I guess there's no need now to ask you how you got your name.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 03:48 PM (g99AB)

554 Its just bizarre to me that funeral directors had so much pull in the past that they were able to get laws written making it impossible to bury someone cheaply. You must buy a massively overpriced box, and only from them, and only fancy special ones. Its a bunch of crap, and a lot of casket slingers in the past must have thrown an awful lot of money around to get that sweet deal.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 21, 2016 03:48 PM (39g3+)

555 "So you think individual FBI agents are going to try and blackmail a sitting US president, then?"

If there's a criminal referral -- and it's likely there will be -- expect the FBI to leak. There have already been leaks out of the FBI to Fox.

I don't see how Hillary can survive that, because she's already weak as a candidate and getting weaker.

Comey doesn't have to resign in protest. Obama/Jarrett/Lynch don't have to lift a finger and won't want to. If Hillary threatens Obama, he drops an anvil on her head ... and Bill's ... and Chelsea's ... and Charlotte's. And Huma's and Cheryl's and Sid's.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 21, 2016 03:48 PM (r1fLd)

556 Yeah, funerals aren't about the dead.

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These kids and their newfangled ways! I say, let's bring the dead back to funerals! Traditions, dammit! Prop those bodies up at the wake! Make everybody pose with them for photographs!

Posted by: Bigby's A-holes and Elbows at January 21, 2016 03:49 PM (3ZtZW)

557 msnbc is reporting now that Rick Snyder has been called to testify before Congress

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He should refuse on principle.
Posted by: SH at January 21, 2016 03:43 PM (gmeXX)

As the Chief Executive of a sovereign State, he should tell Congress to go fuck itself.

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2016 03:49 PM (COMrr)

558 Make everybody pose with them for photographs!

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That was actually a thing back in the day.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 21, 2016 03:49 PM (8XRCm)

559 When I graduated from college my friends all agreed that if any of us died young the funeral would be structured as a roast. You had to write your response zingers to be delivered by someone on your behalf at the end of the funeral roast. Yes young and dumb is an accurate description. Lucky none of us died young. ( one sad exception who was not included in this dumbness)

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 21, 2016 03:50 PM (khWYc)

560 Nood.

Posted by: HH at January 21, 2016 03:50 PM (DrCtv)

561 Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 21, 2016 03:42 PM (Nwg0u)

What's needed is criminal control. Using profiling.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 21, 2016 03:50 PM (Xo1Rt)

562
at a catholic funeral it is about the dead,it involves a mass for the repose of the soul

Posted by: flawless male logic at January 21, 2016 03:50 PM (lKyWE)

563 I have no problem with you, but that [funerals are for living, not dead] is incredibly cynical. I guess you
haven't been to many funerals or haven't lost anyone you loved dearly?
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I have and agree with the "cynical" formulation.

I would like to think that once dead, you leave your earthly concerns behind.

Funerals are for the living. Yes, the "theme", if you like, is the dead person, and their family, and their accomplishments, etc, but its really an opportunity for those still left to share something in common (which is their connection to the dead person).

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:50 PM (ji45d)

564 >>>>It's a Mr. Grimm about some reaping.......

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It was the shrimp, wasn't it?
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.Salmon Mousse.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 21, 2016 03:51 PM (iONHu)

565 The best time I have ever had at funerals was at the funerals of African American Christians They really do celebrate their loved one going to God. Having to mostly deal with low key whiter than white funerals it was refreshing. Of course, the dear veteran from WWII who was part of the Normandy invasion-who was a very evangelical soul had that sort of funeral, as well and he wasn't AA.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2016 03:51 PM (w4NZ8)

566 You must buy a massively overpriced box, and only from them, and only fancy special ones.

Costco sells them now but I hear you have to buy five at a time.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 21, 2016 03:51 PM (8ZskC)

567
Remember when the Republican House vilified the CO Democrats, especially the idiot governor hickepooper, after obama and his epa poisoned the indian's river?

Neither do I.

(Go Trump.)

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 21, 2016 03:51 PM (g99AB)

568 >> 380 Dont hold your breath, morons. She will skate.

So if we do hold our breath, she won't.

But then we turn blue, a color only Mary and Begonia espouse.

Is this one of those, like, Zen things?

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at January 21, 2016 03:51 PM (ml1PM)

569 So are we going to have the rule of law or not in this country?

If Democrats don't have to obey the law, then this country's contract with us is off.

So - is it now everybody just do what you want?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Jade Sea at January 21, 2016 03:54 PM (O108X)

570 Godly people generally don't grieve (or wail) at funerals.
Posted by: Soona at January 21, 2016 03:45 PM (Fmupd)

I was in pieces at my mother's funeral. Cried all the way though it.

I went to a funeral of a 5 year old once. The parents (religious people) sobbed throughout the service. They believed their son was in heaven, but they still wept.

I think it's a cultural thing and a question of family style as well. Not everyone is stoic. It also depends on the age of the deceased and how they died. A 95 year old who went after suffering from ill health -that's a bit different than going to the funeral of a child who died of a rare disease or a 20 year who died in a car accident.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present moment) at January 21, 2016 03:55 PM (u0lmX)

571 558 Make everybody pose with them for photographs!

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That was actually a thing back in the day.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 21, 2016 03:49 PM (8XRCm)

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Many times it was the only photograph that was ever taken of the person. My grandmother had a small album of all her dead family and relatives as corpses. It was strange.

Posted by: Soona at January 21, 2016 03:57 PM (Fmupd)

572 Won't be indicted. Never happen.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 21, 2016 03:57 PM (s/yC1)

573 >>If there's a criminal referral -- and it's likely there will be --
expect the FBI to leak. There have already been leaks out of the FBI to
Fox.
I don't see how Hillary can survive that, because she's already weak as a candidate and getting weaker.

Its amazing to me that she's even still a candidate. . .though who the hell knows. She was supposed to be "inevitable" last time too.

>>Comey doesn't have to resign in protest. Obama/Jarrett/Lynch don't
have to lift a finger and won't want to. If Hillary threatens Obama, he
drops an anvil on her head ... and Bill's ... and Chelsea's ... and
Charlotte's. And Huma's and Cheryl's and Sid's.

Yeah, I'm starting to think that this is how the White House *wants* things to go. They don't prosecute, then they let the FBI do the dirty work by ruining what little remains of Clinton's reputation, and forcing her to drop out of the race. Clinton retires out of public life, and the Obama administration has no fingerprints on it.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 03:57 PM (ji45d)

574 I'm a little confused. Is the source of the most recent emails the weekly "document dump"? I believe those were selected by hillary and/or her team - makes one wonder what's on the wiped hard drives.

Posted by: FLYCOLONEL at January 21, 2016 03:58 PM (5hjXu)

575 >>I think it's a cultural thing and a question of family style as well.

Yes, I think that's a huge part of it. There is a cultural expectation of what is supposed to go on at funerals. Some cultures have "stiff upper lip" and no public signs of grieving, and some do the full wailing and gnashing of teeth and ripping of clothes thing, and there is plenty of room for everything in between.

But if you don't do the thing within the culturally appropriate spectrum that the family and mourners expect, that could be problematic.

Posted by: looking closely at January 21, 2016 04:02 PM (ji45d)

576

Costco sells them now but I hear you have to buy five at a time.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 21, 2016 03:51 PM (

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Give the rest as Chistmas presents

Posted by: Soona at January 21, 2016 04:03 PM (Fmupd)

577 270 I want to read some more horseshit comments on how tough it would be for Trump or Cruz to beat this criminal idiot in the election. Come on. Let's hear that shit.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 21, 2016 03:04 PM (xWW96)
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Okay.
She will win.
There is no scandal unless the MSM makes it a scandal.
And they won't do that.
Oh, they'll have a story or two and then it will be old news.

You think the FSA cares about this?
You think the Oppressed Minorities care?
You think the SJWs care?

Yes, the soccer moms and hip suburbanites might care a bit. But they'll hold their noses and vote for her.
They sure as hell aren't voting for Trump. That would be ....low class. It's not what the chic Smart Set does.

(I hope I'm wrong.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 21, 2016 04:08 PM (T/5A0)

578 Hell.... look at Katherine Herridge.... spied on by the NSA, driven out of her job.... now an independent who no major Paper or TV station will hire on a permanent basis...

Posted by: BB Wolf, registered independent at January 21, 2016 03:16 PM (f7rv6)
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Still catching up someone probably already said this but.. I think you mean Sharyl Attkisson, not that it takes away from your point.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 21, 2016 04:12 PM (MbrzC)

579 I'm a little confused. Is the source of the most recent emails the weekly "document dump"? I believe those were selected by hillary and/or her team - makes one wonder what's on the wiped hard drives.
Posted by: FLYCOLONEL at January 21, 2016 03:58 PM (5hjXu)

They're wiped, silly.

Hillary used TWO wet-naps!

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2016 04:14 PM (COMrr)

580 272 ...the Constitution is the underlying law of the country. all other laws derive from that.

FBI agents swear to defend the Constitution, as well as to obey lawful orders in that commission.

any order that interferes with defending the Constitution is illegal by nature, and not binding to an agent's oath

Posted by: Grad School Fool at January 21, 2016 03:04 PM (A9KzJ)

Where the hell did you learn this right wing bullshit?

Posted by: King Putt at January 21, 2016 04:22 PM (JOG+K)

581 Posted by: the littl shyning man at January 21, 2016 03:39 PM (cOZI3)
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He has been...they never cover that part of his rallies.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 21, 2016 04:26 PM (MbrzC)

582 IBWISI?

I'll Believe It When I See It.

And now that I type it out I realize it should be IBIWISI. :redface:

Posted by: McGehee at January 21, 2016 04:35 PM (ax/6m)

583 What happened to the story that the investigation had expanded to a public corruption probe? I realize that the email misdeeds are very serious, and are plenty newsworthy all alone, but I think the American people ought to know if a leading contender for president is under investigation for public corruption. Seems relevant to their evaluation of the person as a candidate, no?

Posted by: gts109 at January 21, 2016 04:36 PM (KIvt1)

584
She's toast.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at January 21, 2016 02:52 PM
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The 150 agents is the kicker. Hell of a lot of resources to commit knowing it is for nothing in the end. She won't be alone is my take. Huma, Cheryl Mills, David Kendall too. That's the e-mails. The Foundation case is going to be even bigger.

Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at January 21, 2016 04:37 PM (g1MTt)

585 not nood

Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at January 21, 2016 04:48 PM (uJK1E)

586 Let say Obama doesn't let Lynch prosecute (March), the FBI festers (April-May), the Hill starts yammering for a special prosecutor (September); Trump wins (November). Now, all of Team Hilary has to beg outgoing Obama for a pardon (January) or they are looking at spending the rest of their lives in jail.

Because AG Levin might not be the guy they want to plea bargain with.

It's actually in Team Clinton's best interest that the prosecutions happen under Lynch; she can plead them out to wrist slaps.

Posted by: Jean at January 21, 2016 04:57 PM (cXiMR)

587 Having been a State Department employee from 1999 through 2009 with a TS/SCI clearance, I can tell you for a fact that anyone of us who had done what this traitor did would be facing a very long time in the slammer.
And BTW, classified material is marked with the classification top and bottom of each page. The only way to take that off is to literally cut the imprint off the page and then re-copy the page which is a MAJOR violation to say the least.
With email, the classified emails come over a separate system which is only used for (that's right) CLASSFIED MATERIAL.
And at high clearance levels you get re-cleared often enough that you ain't going to be able to use the excuse, "I forgot, I don't know, I don't remember", etc.

Posted by: emdfl at January 21, 2016 05:00 PM (q/kmn)

588 "Hillary just might have schlonged herself."

In her defense, she was drunk.

Posted by: The Wolf Who Cried Boy at January 21, 2016 05:08 PM (l0bW1)

589 NGU,

At some point the Priest is gonna be feeding people cookies maybe, might be best to abstain , they aren't all that tasty.

Posted by: Bob in Houston at January 21, 2016 05:19 PM (XRxxn)

590 I think they will keep pushing Hillary until she locks up delegates and then she'll have to withdraw due to criminal charges and Biden (who gets to skate in unvetted and no negative ads) will become the nominee and voila........Obama's 3rd term. Judge Napolitano (I think it was him) said there weren't really any rules about replacing a candidate with delegates committed to them...they would have to make it up as they go..... Dems are really good at making up their own rules.

Posted by: dixigal at January 21, 2016 05:37 PM (BIgSK)

591 Me guessing she has probably been getting strapped-on shlonged for quite sometime.

Posted by: builderD at January 21, 2016 05:49 PM (sxLki)

592 life must be such a series of disappointments for those who think Hillary will be indicted

Posted by: bubba at January 21, 2016 05:59 PM (3GUVH)

593 And not a damn thing is going to happen.

Look, a squirrel!!

Posted by: Izapole at January 21, 2016 06:44 PM (VBVzn)

594 If no one sees her shit, you MUST acquit

-OJ's glove puppet

Posted by: Flying Tiger Comics at January 21, 2016 07:05 PM (jRSwc)

595 The gods always punish hubris.

Posted by: Devil-Slayer at January 21, 2016 09:39 PM (vekWV)

596 I'll believe that she's going to be indicted when she's indicted.

Posted by: Random Thought Generator at January 21, 2016 10:09 PM (gYfnZ)

597 Team Hillary's response is more of the same: Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, LOL.
selectively leak materials in order to resurface the same allegations and try to hurt Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.
I've always said that Hill spilt the beans many years ago when she screamed about the "vast right wing conspiracy" because dems project their selves and their corrupt ways onto their opponents, as a means to deflect scrutiny of what they do.

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