Saturday Quick Hits [Y-not]

Here's a thread to keep you busy until the next one comes along.

Via Twitter:

Under this guy's logic, we should run this guy:

Pataki.jpeg

Oh, wait...

Perhaps New Yorkers are lost to the GOP.

Unsurprisingly, people are demanding Cruz apologize.

Well, about that apology:

OK, here's your apology:

I'm kind of meh about Cruz's initial New York values thing, but his reply, which was given off the cuff in response to a question yesterday is awesome.

He had a great week, imho. There was this:

And there was this...

Gallup released a poll showing people don't actually hate Ted Cruz (contrary to Conventional Wisdom):

gallup-poll-cruz-favorable.png

He also raised $20 million in the last quarter. I was not able to find fundraising totals for many of the others, including Rubio. The latter is relevant because after touting his habit of flying coach several months ago, Rubio is now relying on private jets to cover ground. That's a consequence of his national campaign strategy approach as opposed to the more traditional statewide bus tour campaigning.

Mr. Unelectable is looking more electable every day.


Open thread.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 10:08 AM




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1 2nd

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2016 10:08 AM (hk3Fb)

2 LOL, you were first, Skip!

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 16, 2016 10:10 AM (t5zYU)

3 Reading around Cruz's comment might not be so bad, as I said I agree with it.

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2016 10:10 AM (hk3Fb)

4 Ah, but 2nd number 1 for the day.

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2016 10:11 AM (hk3Fb)

5 Good morning.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 10:12 AM (mFWK9)

6 He is the Kwisatz Haderach!

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 16, 2016 10:12 AM (rwI+c)

7 Keyser Soze '16!

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 10:13 AM (mFWK9)

8 Morning all. Hope your weekend is off to a good start.

Posted by: Beth M at January 16, 2016 10:15 AM (kiy9d)

9 Cuomo should be in prison. Who gives a fuck what he says?

Posted by: Moreland Commission sez at January 16, 2016 10:16 AM (TxJGV)

10 Soze/Soros '16! WOW!

Posted by: Norman at January 16, 2016 10:16 AM (CYS6Q)

11 The George Pataki Moment has arrived!

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 16, 2016 10:17 AM (t5zYU)

12 I for one would enjoy watching Cruz drive Libs and the Republican establishment baby Libs crazy for 4 or 8 years. Trump is whatever sells. Rubio is like that kid who wants to be the perfect class president who everyone likes, who nobody really likes.

Posted by: MostlyRight at January 16, 2016 10:17 AM (IouVP)

13 Dammit. I keep meaning to buy a duck call to take to city council meetings.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 16, 2016 10:17 AM (n22zQ)

14 They are in *gasp!* blackface ! They must be arrested.

Posted by: LIV, clutching pearls at January 16, 2016 10:19 AM (n22zQ)

15 Art Laffer thinks the GOP candidate will win 40 or more states, because we will likely have a conservative candidate and because the Progressives have done such incredible damage to the country. I would love to see Cruz get elected but I'd also love to see him on the Supreme Court.

Second look at cloning?

Posted by: MTF at January 16, 2016 10:19 AM (TxJGV)

16 Pastor Saeed Abedini has been released from prison in Iran!

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 16, 2016 10:20 AM (dFi94)

17 Cruz's apology was *perfect*. That is why I have hope he wouldn't grovel internationally. He and Trump are the only two in whom I have any confidence about that.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 16, 2016 10:20 AM (GDulk)

18 I'd rather see Andrew C McCarthy on the Supreme Court

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2016 10:22 AM (hk3Fb)

19 15 Art Laffer thinks the GOP candidate will win 40 or more states, because we will likely have a conservative candidate and because the Progressives have done such incredible damage to the country. I would love to see Cruz get elected but I'd also love to see him on the Supreme Court.

Second look at cloning?
Posted by: MTF at January 16, 2016 10:19 AM (TxJGV)


Yes, I'm sure the Republicans on the Judiciary Committee will do the same for Cruz as they did for Robert Bork.

Meh, they'll pull a Ted Kennedy on him even before he testifies.

Cruz/al-Sisi '16

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 16, 2016 10:22 AM (zLP1L)

20 Bobby: Yo, hey, Tony, dis Cruz guy said sumptin' about New Yawk values and shit. You know maybe I don't like this guy so much.

Tony: Fuck him.

Posted by: eman at January 16, 2016 10:23 AM (MQEz6)

21 Henceforth I declare: Any "conservative" here at the AoSHQ who continues to say "ooh, that Cruz fellow insulted me with his New York values comment" is a silly person, who is not conservative. And is silly.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2016 10:23 AM (TOk1P)

22 12 I for one would enjoy watching Cruz drive Libs and the Republican establishment baby Libs crazy for 4 or 8 years.

Posted by: MostlyRight at January 16, 2016 10:17 AM (IouVP)


Whatever Republican gets elected needs to understand the extent of the housecleaning he will have to do, like fire all of the US Attorneys appointed by Obama, shovel out all the manure in the DOJ, the IRS, FBI, etc.

It will be a massive cleaning of the Augean stables type job and it will take a lot of courage because the SJWs will be shrieking like the alien queen when Ripley took a flamethrower to her eggs.

If he doesn't do this, then our country will continue its downward slide with hardly a decline in speed.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 10:23 AM (mFWK9)

23 I love that "apology." The man has a way with words.

Posted by: Donna &&&&V. (Brandishing ampersands) at January 16, 2016 10:23 AM (P8951)

24 Great news about Pastr Saeed. His witness to Christ has been powerful. Pray that he gets home to his wife and family safely.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 16, 2016 10:23 AM (M+RRn)

25 That was a great response by Ted Cruz.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 16, 2016 10:24 AM (M+RRn)

26
And believe it or not, fellow rape-shifters, I have work to do on Saturday. And since it's an actual paying gig, the first draft of which is due tomorrow, I have to buckle down and reduce my procrastination by a significant margin.

Later!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 16, 2016 10:24 AM (zLP1L)

27 I'm sure Ted lost the coveted Geraldo Rivera vote. Might as well pack it in.

Posted by: Lady in Black....unblessed by the Powerball Fairy at January 16, 2016 10:24 AM (pVkEV)

28 Lemme see: Ted Cruzer, one-term Senator; dual citizen -- USA and Canada -- until 2014; Mr Moar H1bs!; missed vote on Choom Boy's nukes-for-Iran policy; supported TPP (and then whined that Bitch McConnell had flim-flammed and bamboozled him....

Yeah, a better choice than Shrillery, Crazy Uncle Bernie or Heb!. But not by much.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 16, 2016 10:25 AM (ZPz7d)

29 >>Pastor Saeed Abedini has been released from prison in Iran!

Excellent news!!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 10:25 AM (NOIQH)

30 22 If he doesn't do this, then our country will continue its downward slide with hardly a decline in speed.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 10:23 AM (mFWK9)


Pen and phone. Pen and phone. Pen and phone . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 16, 2016 10:25 AM (zLP1L)

31 16 Pastor Saeed Abedini has been released from prison in Iran!

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 16, 2016 10:20 AM (dFi94)


Thank God!

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 10:25 AM (mFWK9)

32 You could run Son of Sam and put a D after his name and he'd win NY.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 16, 2016 10:26 AM (89T5c)

33 Lemme see: Ted Cruzer, one-term Senator; dual citizen -- USA and Canada -- until 2014; Mr Moar H1bs!; missed vote on Choom Boy's nukes-for-Iran policy; supported TPP (and then whined that Bitch McConnell had flim-flammed and bamboozled him....
---

Cruz is the only candidate running who voted against John Kerry.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 16, 2016 10:26 AM (t5zYU)

34 A clean snatch? Like with a cloth?

Posted by: hilllary at January 16, 2016 10:26 AM (DLIIY)

35 It will be a massive cleaning of the Augean stables
type job and it will take a lot of courage because the SJWs will be
shrieking like the alien queen when Ripley took a flamethrower to her
eggs.

If he doesn't do this, then our country will continue its downward slide with hardly a decline in speed.


Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 10:23 AM (mFWK9)


Heh, perfect analogy. Alas, I think the chance of not missing an egg or a million is pretty darned low.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2016 10:27 AM (TOk1P)

36 Grammie Winger has brought us some good news. That's a nice change.

Posted by: Donna &&&&V. (Brandishing ampersands) at January 16, 2016 10:27 AM (P8951)

37 (For Secy of State.)

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 16, 2016 10:28 AM (t5zYU)

38 Cruz is the only candidate running who voted against John Kerry.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 16, 2016 10:26 AM


True.

IMO, doesn't balance the scales, though.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 16, 2016 10:28 AM (ZPz7d)

39 I see the three little girls in the red, white and blue outfits who opened a Trump rally are making the lefty rounds on FB. "Shades of North Korea." "Fascist." "Nazi propaganda."


Not one of said lefties has seen the "Barack Hussein Obama Mmm, mmm, mmm" video, which was mandatory at a government school. When shown said video, you can almost literally hear their little lefty brains working overtime to differentiate the two.


SMH.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at January 16, 2016 10:29 AM (yxw0r)

40 Y-not - what's with the rats on your twitter page? Ick!
Nice chart of presidential voting stats for NY, though!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 10:29 AM (NOIQH)

41 Lemme see: Ted Cruzer, one-term Senator; dual
citizen -- USA and Canada -- until 2014; Mr Moar H1bs!; missed vote on
Choom Boy's nukes-for-Iran policy; supported TPP (and then whined that
Bitch McConnell had flim-flammed and bamboozled him....

Yeah, a better choice than Shrillery, Crazy Uncle Bernie or Heb!. But not by much.


Posted by: MrScribbler at January 16, 2016 10:25 AM (ZPz7d)


Well, whether you cast your vote for Ted reluctantly or enthusiastically, it still counts the same. Seems to me you've already made up your mind: You really don't have any better options.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2016 10:29 AM (TOk1P)

42 Wonder what Chocolate Jesus had to do to get the hostages freed?

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 16, 2016 10:29 AM (89T5c)

43 A Republican candidate who won't take New York in the general? Oh no!!

Posted by: goatexchange at January 16, 2016 10:30 AM (2TJT7)

44 He is the Kwisatz Haderach!

Are you saying that he is "in the shoe"?

or that he is "the one" as opposed to "the other one"

Posted by: Kindltot at January 16, 2016 10:30 AM (q2o38)

45 Trump is the TEA Party Gom Jabbar!

Posted by: duke leto atreides at January 16, 2016 10:30 AM (DLIIY)

46 Part of the problem with 'New York Values' is the idea that they consider themselves 'aggressively accomplished.' Really? All 8 million?


Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 16, 2016 10:31 AM (oVJmc)

47
Cruz, a freshman senator, explained his vote in a statement.

"I was compelled to vote no on Senator Kerry's nomination because of his longstanding less-than-vigorous defense of U.S. national security issues and, in particular, his long record of supporting treaties and international tribunals that have undermined U.S. sovereignty," Cruz said. "Now that he has been confirmed, I look forward to working with him in the years to come, hopefully, to protect our interests and preserve U.S. sovereignty."

---

Until Senator Kerry launched his campaign for president in 2004, Trump regularly bankrolled the Massachusetts senator's campaigns to the tune of $5,500.

---

Little suspense hung over the proceedings after Kerry cruised through a confirmation hearing last week before the Foreign Relations Committee. The accolades and ceremony began Tuesday morning when the committee -- in just 10 minutes with almost no discussion -- approved Kerry's nomination, setting up the late afternoon vote by the full Senate. Even harsh administration critics such as Republicans Marco Rubio of Florida and Rand Paul of Kentucky joined the unanimous voice vote in committee.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 16, 2016 10:31 AM (t5zYU)

48 I'm so excited I can't sit still. I have to find something to do that incorporates a flurry of twirling around.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 16, 2016 10:31 AM (dFi94)

49 >>Wonder what Chocolate Jesus had to do to get the hostages freed?

My first thought, too.
Release prisoners here in America, for a start. It was a prisoner swap.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 10:31 AM (NOIQH)

50 So europe is okay with its mothers, sisters, and daughters being raped? Either raping and beating up women is no big deal to them or they are seriously gone over to the dark side of islam.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 16, 2016 10:31 AM (iQIUe)

51 Pastor Saeed Abedini has been released from prison in Iran!

Excellent news!!
Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 10:25 AM (NOIQH)

He's not out of Iran yet

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 10:32 AM (gf8BH)

52 Hmm, all I need to do is get my 'Familiarity' to 138% and I'll be killing it in Favorability!

Posted by: El Jeb! at January 16, 2016 10:32 AM (+c55T)

53 Greetings gentlefappers.

Teh Cruz Missile's apology was a thing of beauty.

Scientists have long thought the speed of light was the fastest thing in the universe. As we see with Ted's apology, it's now second to the speed that the MFM forgets Prog/Dim statements, specifically Cuomo's one that conservatives weren't welcome in NY.

#freshhell

#WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 16, 2016 10:32 AM (LUgeY)

54
The world does not revolve around New York fucking City (and more specifically, the island of Manhattan). And the sooner this truth is hammered through New Yorker's paper-thin skins into their thick, provincial skulls, the better off we'll ALL be.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2016 10:32 AM (o98Jz)

55 Y-not - what's with the rats on your twitter page?
----

Oh, that's my tribute to New York.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 16, 2016 10:32 AM (t5zYU)

56 Her-Cruz-les? TFG will leave more than 12 Olympian tasks. And there's more heads on that Hydra that need lopping off/burning.

Posted by: goatexchange at January 16, 2016 10:33 AM (2TJT7)

57 The "familiarity" column is interesting. Trump is way out ahead because he had a reality TV show. But 6% have never heard of him? 11% have never heard of Jeb Bush? 23% have never heard of Ted Cruz? Who are these people?

Posted by: rickl at January 16, 2016 10:34 AM (sdi6R)

58 >>And there's more heads on that Hydra that need lopping off/burning.

The EPA head, the DoEd. head, the IRS head, .....


Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 10:35 AM (NOIQH)

59 Hmm, all I need to do is get my 'Familiarity' to 138% and I'll be killing it in Favorability!

Posted by: El Jeb! at January 16, 2016 10:32 AM (+c55T)


Oh, sorry Heb! This would be true if we were adding numbers, but we're not. It's a multiplication equation, so a bigger number, multiplied by a negative, eqauls a larger negative number.

Maybe it's different in Spanish, I don't know.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2016 10:36 AM (TOk1P)

60 In regards to the prisoner release :The administration has apparently lifted 150,000 million (billion? - I don't know) in sanctions against Iran. They also released the Washington Post guy, and two others. I don't know who they are.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 16, 2016 10:36 AM (dFi94)

61 The "familiarity" column is interesting. Trump is way out ahead because
he had a reality TV show. But 6% have never heard of him? 11% have
never heard of Jeb Bush? 23% have never heard of Ted Cruz? Who are these people?


Obama voters.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 16, 2016 10:36 AM (oVJmc)

62 47
Cruz, a freshman senator, explained his vote in a statement.

"I was compelled to vote no on Senator Kerry's nomination because of his longstanding less-than-vigorous defense of U.S. national security issues and, in particular, his long record of supporting treaties and international tribunals that have undermined U.S. sovereignty," Cruz said. "Now that he has been confirmed, I look forward to working with him in the years to come, hopefully, to protect our interests and preserve U.S. sovereignty."

---

Until Senator Kerry launched his campaign for president in 2004, Trump regularly bankrolled the Massachusetts senator's campaigns to the tune of $5,500.

---

Little suspense hung over the proceedings after Kerry cruised through a confirmation hearing last week before the Foreign Relations Committee. The accolades and ceremony began Tuesday morning when the committee -- in just 10 minutes with almost no discussion -- approved Kerry's nomination, setting up the late afternoon vote by the full Senate. Even harsh administration critics such as Republicans Marco Rubio of Florida and Rand Paul of Kentucky joined the unanimous voice vote in committee.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 16, 2016 10:31 AM (t5zYU)

The Imperial Court.

Right there, right in front of us.

Maybe folks are finally opening their eyes and believing what they see.

Posted by: eman at January 16, 2016 10:36 AM (MQEz6)

63 The "familiarity" column is interesting. Trump is
way out ahead because he had a reality TV show. But 6% have never heard
of him? 11% have never heard of Jeb Bush? 23% have never heard of Ted
Cruz? Who are these people?

Posted by: rickl at January 16, 2016 10:34 AM (sdi6R)


Us

Posted by: New York Values at January 16, 2016 10:37 AM (TOk1P)

64 I have just as much respect for NY values as they have for mine.

Posted by: Annoying Guy at January 16, 2016 10:38 AM (fbovC)

65 I am a rock-ribbed conservative, and I have voted for Reagan in 4 elections, and understood the need for being pro-life.

However, with Bill DeBlasio and Andrew Cuomo's criticism, the scales have fallen from my eyes. Cruz' poor treatment of New York City and its political values makes me understand that such a flighty, unprincipled person should never be allowed to be president, and his discrimination shows that he is only faithful to his people, his followers, and his cronies, not to the country as a whole.

With this I must admit my full support to Hillary Clinton, New York Senator, and the most conservative and principled politician to come out of New York since FDR.

Posted by: Social Justice Conservative at January 16, 2016 10:38 AM (q2o38)

66 Shucks! There goes the Cruz landslide in NY I was counting on.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at January 16, 2016 10:38 AM (hSkCr)

67 The "familiarity" column is interesting. Trump is way out ahead because he had a reality TV show. But 6% have never heard of him? 11% have never heard of Jeb Bush? 23% have never heard of Ted Cruz? Who are these people?

6%? 11%? 23%?

I laugh at your puny numbers.

I have 100% unfamiliarity with the public. Top that!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 16, 2016 10:38 AM (LUgeY)

68 Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 10:25 AM (mFWK9)

Not cleaning the administration was a huge mistake on GW's part and set the stage for what we have now. Bureaucrats need to know they are just as replaceable as they consider everyone else.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 16, 2016 10:39 AM (GDulk)

69 El Ted rightly cut through the vague, ill-defined term 'values' (which admittedly, he introduced, as it was shorthand during the sound-bite debate) and put the discussion where it belongs: policies and actions, over a long time, by many politicians. He needs to keep hammering that.

Posted by: goatexchange at January 16, 2016 10:40 AM (2TJT7)

70 CRUZ IS INELIGIBLE, MOAR TRUMP!!1!!!

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 16, 2016 10:41 AM (UnJ7w)

71 ... and he also ended on a positive note, which is savvy.

Posted by: goatexchange at January 16, 2016 10:41 AM (2TJT7)

72 Not cleaning the administration was a huge mistake
on GW's part and set the stage for what we have now. Bureaucrats need to
know they are just as replaceable as they consider everyone else.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 16, 2016 10:39 AM


Dubya was not the first to let the entrenched bureaucrats stay put. Nixon did likewise.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 16, 2016 10:42 AM (ZPz7d)

73
68 Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 10:25 AM (mFWK9)

Not cleaning the administration was a huge mistake on GW's part and set the stage for what we have now. Bureaucrats need to know they are just as replaceable as they consider everyone else.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 16, 2016 10:39 AM (GDulk)

Cleaning will not be enough.

Radical surgery is needed.

Dept. of Education: gone.

Health and Human Services: gone.

Energy: gone.

Homeland Security: gone.

The list goes on.

Posted by: eman at January 16, 2016 10:42 AM (MQEz6)

74 I know NR gets bashed here frequently and I don't read it like I used to, but I want to give its editor Jay Nordlinger kudos for figuratively introducing me and others to Ted Cruz back in 2009. He continues to endorse Cruz for President which is one reason he isn't writing about the primaries at NR. I guess Nordlinger could be considered an establishment Republican based on his 'pragmatic' philosophy so his endorsement of Cruz as an anti-establishment candidate says a lot about the impression of competence displayed by Cruz on a personal basis.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 16, 2016 10:43 AM (MNgU2)

75 Why is no one connecting the two easy dots? Pastor Saeed, the WaPo journalist and other two captives were used as a bargaining chip by Iran. It's no coincidence they were released the weekend the Itan sanctions officially get lifted. It's a pure kidnapping/hostage payoff...we will give them to you when our money is in hand and we have safely escaped.

The bastards even used our navy men as propaganda last week just before it all went down. They knew Obama would bend over one last time and allow them a victory lap.

We got 4 Americans released in exchange for billions of dollars, international humiliation, a more powerful Iran free from sanctions, and a more dangerous Iran with money to spend, new nationalist (radical Islamist) pride, and a cracked open door to nuclear weaponry.

Posted by: MostlyRight at January 16, 2016 10:44 AM (IouVP)

76 Well, I just realized that none of my comments on the morning thread, or the one on here, got posted. All on a banned AT&T IP. There are many. I've been keeping a list. Ought to forward it to Pixy or someone I guess.

Switching IP's. Trying again.

Morning, Glories!??

Posted by: mindful webworker - wort the fork at January 16, 2016 10:44 AM (PG1FL)

77 If this sort of response by Ted continues leftists will swear he's the dumbest block in the wall.
And they can all schlonged themselves.

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2016 10:45 AM (hk3Fb)

78 Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 10:32 AM (gf8BH)

Wasn't he already "released" and then re-arrested before he could leave once? I know that happened with the African Christian woman in her home country.

I'm very glad for him and the Marine, but wonder what was traded. Then again, short of a working nuclear reactor, is there anything worse the SCOAMT could do thanhe already has?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 16, 2016 10:46 AM (GDulk)

79 I believe Trump fired the first round in this little dust up by saying something about not knowing of many evangelicals who came out of Cuba.

Posted by: Annoying Guy at January 16, 2016 10:46 AM (fbovC)

80 *waves at mindful webworker*



Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 10:46 AM (NOIQH)

81 Say, where are all the Constitutional scholars at today? I love going to Breitbart and reading all the Trump-Fuckers go full Constitutional expert on how Ted Cruz is not a natural born citizen. Nothing says genius like throwing case law against the wall to see what sticks.
The Trump dual-citizenship bit warms my heart too.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 16, 2016 10:47 AM (UnJ7w)

82 I was at ground zero before Bush on 9/11.

Posted by: Bill in Chappaqua at January 16, 2016 10:48 AM (hrMUT)

83 76- you have to make sure everything is right, playing with emojis last night found you can do it the old way typing symbols but tried to use my library of them kept getting kicked back.

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2016 10:49 AM (hk3Fb)

84 Posted by: MostlyRight at January 16, 2016 10:44 AM (IouVP)

I think we're capable of connecting the dots. We can still celebrate that Americans were released including Pastor Saeed (who's been through hell) while still thinking that Obama is a craven supporter of Islam /Iran and Iran, a devilish regime. The two things are not mutually exclusive.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 16, 2016 10:49 AM (M+RRn)

85 Posted by: MrScribbler at January 16, 2016 10:42 AM (ZPz7d)

And we know how they thanked him.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 16, 2016 10:49 AM (GDulk)

86 The Trump dual-citizenship bit warms my heart too.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 16, 2016 10:47 AM


Cruzer was a dual citizen before he was against it.

Gave it up in 2014 when he ran for the Senate.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 16, 2016 10:50 AM (ZPz7d)

87 Too much content. I haven't had coffee yet.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 16, 2016 10:50 AM (Zu3d9)

88 Well, fortunately, nothing I commented that got lost was worth repeating. Except maybe this one...

Inspired by the NY Daily News image of the Statue of Liberty giving the finger...

Greasy-haired guy in a wife-beater, grabbing crotch: "I got yer New Yawk values right here!"

Okay, maybe that wasn't worth repeating...

Posted by: mindful webworker - valuable commenting a specialty at January 16, 2016 10:51 AM (PG1FL)

89 Posted by: mindful webworker - wort the fork at January 16, 2016 10:44 AM (PG1FL)

Morning MWW

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 16, 2016 10:51 AM (GDulk)

90 Salon.com
WEDNESDAY, SEP 16, Headline
Forget Donald Trump: John Kasich is the man who should really be keeping Jeb Bush up at night

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 16, 2016 10:52 AM (VdICR)

91 Forget Donald Trump: John Kasich is the man who should really be keeping Jeb Bush up at night

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 16, 2016 10:52 AM


Kasich will deliver!

Oh, wait. That was his Daddy.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 16, 2016 10:54 AM (ZPz7d)

92
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 16, 2016 10:39 AM (GDulk)

That is why John Bolton for Secretary of State is the only sane choice.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 16, 2016 10:54 AM (Zu3d9)

93
84 Posted by: MostlyRight at January 16, 2016 10:44 AM (IouVP)

I think we're capable of connecting the dots. We can still celebrate that Americans were released including Pastor Saeed (who's been through hell) while still thinking that Obama is a craven supporter of Islam /Iran and Iran, a devilish regime. The two things are not mutually exclusive.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 16, 2016 10:49 AM (M+RRn)

They were released, but at what cost?

Posted by: eman at January 16, 2016 10:54 AM (MQEz6)

94 Morning horde.


What about the 21,427 diplomats killed under Bush!!!!

DON'T YOU CARE!!?!

Posted by: RWC at January 16, 2016 10:55 AM (hlMPp)

95 28 Lemme see: Ted Cruzer, one-term Senator; dual citizen -- USA and Canada -- until 2014; Mr Moar H1bs!; missed vote on Choom Boy's nukes-for-Iran policy; supported TPP (and then whined that Bitch McConnell had flim-flammed and bamboozled him....

Yeah, a better choice than Shrillery, Crazy Uncle Bernie or Heb!. But not by much.


Posted by: MrScribbler

Not by much? Are you serious?

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at January 16, 2016 10:55 AM (QdAXQ)

96 They were released, but at what cost?

The cost was already there when the agreement was approved.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 16, 2016 10:55 AM (M+RRn)

97 PriorThread:
Obama helped create the first market melt-down as one of the lawyers
suing banks to force them to make home loans to unqualified minority
borrowers (and then later as one of the senators demanding that Fannie
and Freddie loosen lending standards and guarantee more shitty mortgage
loans with taxpayer money). Obama never got credit for his work the
first time around;


Just the fear of this turds smell pushed a precarious situation over the edge.

Posted by: DaveA at January 16, 2016 10:56 AM (DL2i+)

98 I guess eman sort-of beat me to the same "New Yawk values" theme in #20.

But only because my earlier comments didn't post!

Posted by: mindful webworker - missed it by thatmuch! at January 16, 2016 10:57 AM (PG1FL)

99 I am not celebrating the release of those people held by Iran.

Posted by: eman at January 16, 2016 10:57 AM (MQEz6)

100 NY values: elect a gangsta government that will rub you out if you encroach on their territory, by, say, selling loosies.

Posted by: Di Blasio at January 16, 2016 10:57 AM (GKF1b)

101 I'm very glad for him and the Marine, but wonder
what was traded. Then again, short of a working nuclear reactor, is
there anything worse the SCOAMT could do thanhe already has?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 16, 2016 10:46 AM



Maybe we traded a photo op with ten US sailors with their hands on their heads.

Posted by: huerfano at January 16, 2016 10:57 AM (NSb9d)

102 I'm not a constitutional lawyer but then neither is the president for that matter but would think the base of the law comes from England. And I would bet it reads that lots of people born under the crown are still citizens even if not physically born on the island but are considered natural born.

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2016 10:58 AM (hk3Fb)

103 Posted by: MrScribbler at January 16, 2016 10:50 AM

No shit, thats the irony.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 16, 2016 10:58 AM (UnJ7w)

104 Cruz doesn't oppose the NY values of coming together as one in times of emergency.
He opposes the NY values of electing total knick-knacks to office.

Posted by: Hank at January 16, 2016 10:58 AM (3rpaY)

105 Pastor Saeed Abedini has been released from prison in Iran!

It is excellent news.

But I have to snark - It only cost us $100 Billion.

Reagan would have had him released with a threat.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 16, 2016 10:58 AM (ODxAs)

106
96 They were released, but at what cost?

The cost was already there when the agreement was approved.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 16, 2016 10:55 AM (M+RRn)

Okay, then there is little cause for celebration.

Posted by: eman at January 16, 2016 10:58 AM (MQEz6)

107 So Iran is announcing the details of the deal:

In a statement, Prosecutor Abbas Jaafari said that "based on an
approval of the Supreme National Security Council and the general
interests of the Islamic Republic, four Iranian prisoners with dual
nationality were freed today within the framework of a prisoner swap
deal," the semiofficial Fars News Agency reported.
The state-run
Islamic Republic News Agency, quoting Jaafari, said the agreement also
includes a provision under which the United States will no longer pursue
the extradition of 14 Iranians alleged to have been involved in
trafficking arms to Iran.

Wonder what else they agreed to, beyond this and the billions being released as part of the Obama/Kerry Iran deal.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 10:59 AM (NOIQH)

108 That is why John Bolton for Secretary of State is the only sane choice.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 16, 2016 10:54 AM


Do you think the current Senate would approve him?

With Bitch McConnell at the helm, I'm thinking he'd be Borked again.


Posted by: MrScribbler at January 16, 2016 10:59 AM (ZPz7d)

109 Posted by: eman at January 16, 2016 10:57 AM (MQEz6)

Nobody said you had to.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 16, 2016 10:59 AM (M+RRn)

110 For the record ANY American who goes to Iran and assorted other places are out of their fuckin minds and going forward get what they deserve.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 10:59 AM (gf8BH)

111 But only because my earlier comments didn't post!

Eventually you'll learn which kibble to bribe Pixy's hamsters with.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 16, 2016 11:00 AM (LUgeY)

112 Fenelonspoke...of course I'm glad Pastor Saeed and the others are free. But don't let a Cause Celebre distract you from recognizing one of the worst deals in history. Recognize that Cause Celebre may be the whole point...making the Christian Right not see the forest through the trees. The WaPo journalist serves the same for the Left.

This makes the Bergdahl/Guantanamo swap look like we were all Powerball winners.

Oh I forgot...not just 4 Americans. Obama gets to claim an "accomplishment", add to his "legacy".

Posted by: MostlyRight at January 16, 2016 11:01 AM (IouVP)

113 No shit, thats the irony.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 16, 2016 10:58 AM


So we can elect another President Historic First!

Well, unless you count ol' Chet Arthur....

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 16, 2016 11:01 AM (ZPz7d)

114 This makes the Bergdahl/Guantanamo swap look like we were all Powerball winners.


NO---THAT was much much much worse

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 11:02 AM (gf8BH)

115 With this I must admit my full support to Hillary Clinton, New York Senator, and the most conservative and principled politician to come out of New York since FDR.
Posted by: Social Justice Conservative at January 16, 2016 10:38 AM (q2o3


Ha!

Your concern trolling via sock puppet is:

[ ] not noted
[x] noted

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 11:02 AM (mFWK9)

116 For the record ANY American who goes to Iran and
assorted other places are out of their fuckin minds and going forward
get what they deserve.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 10:59 AM


You are SO right.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 16, 2016 11:03 AM (ZPz7d)

117 Wonder what else they agreed to, beyond this and the billions being released as part of the Obama/Kerry Iran deal.

He gave Iran title to the Louisiana Purchase.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 16, 2016 11:03 AM (ODxAs)

118 Posted by: MostlyRight at January 16, 2016 11:01 AM (IouVP)

I am not taken in by anything Obama does. I am still glad that Pastor Saeed-hopefully-will be able to return to his family.

Obama would claim an accomplishment if he managed to use the potty and flush the toilet all by himself.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 16, 2016 11:03 AM (M+RRn)

119
109 Posted by: eman at January 16, 2016 10:57 AM (MQEz6)

Nobody said you had to.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 16, 2016 10:59 AM (M+RRn)

Irrelevant.

Posted by: eman at January 16, 2016 11:04 AM (MQEz6)

120 rickl: ...But 6% have never heard of him? 11% have never heard of Jeb Bush? 23% have never heard of Ted Cruz? Who are these people?

Mark Dice interviews them every week. Recent sample:
https://youtu.be/WwjqghPBK3Y

See also, "Congratulations North Korea."
https://youtu.be/33D3NOl0-ag

Posted by: mindful webworker - missed it by thatmuch! at January 16, 2016 11:04 AM (PG1FL)

121 117 or maybe Alaska

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2016 11:04 AM (hk3Fb)

122 Nothing says political savant like throwing baseless claims and covert attacks at a wall to see what sticks and what tarnishes it.

I say, I always knew you were a wonderful human being. Knowing you are here makes me tingle all over. Your in-depth understanding of political realities and the laws that allows them to flourish makes me gasp and stand in awe.

Do you sign body parts?

post your address and I'll mail you some.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 16, 2016 11:05 AM (q2o38)

123 Joel Androphy, a lawyer for three of the Iranians to be freed by U.S.
authorities, said the Iranian Embassy told him a total of seven Iranians
were to be released in the United States. He said he was told that his
three clients, who have been charged with sanctions violations but have
not yet gone to trial, have been issued a pardon by President Obama
. The
administration had no immediate comment.


Can you pardon a person who has not yet been convicted?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 11:05 AM (NOIQH)

124 Okay, all of my guesses about who that guy is in that pic have been wrong.

I know it's not David Bowie.

Posted by: Emmie at January 16, 2016 11:05 AM (ezXrF)

125 Posted by: eman at January 16, 2016 11:04 AM (MQEz6)

Irrelevant

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 16, 2016 11:05 AM (M+RRn)

126 I'm out. Arguing with posters is just not a continuing interest I have for today.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 16, 2016 11:06 AM (M+RRn)

127 Can you pardon a person who has not yet been convicted?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 11:05 AM (NOIQH)

Yup. Ford pardoned Nixon for just that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 11:06 AM (gf8BH)

128 Hear is my wildest wish, President Cruz nominates Sarah Palin as secretary of state

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2016 11:06 AM (hk3Fb)

129 >>all of my guesses about who that guy is in that pic have been wrong.


It's GEORGE PATAKI! Feel the excitement of his candidacy!

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 16, 2016 11:06 AM (t5zYU)

130 Can you pardon a person who has not yet been convicted? Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 11:05 AM

See: Ford, Gerald.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 16, 2016 11:06 AM (ZPz7d)

131 It's the Duck Dynasty guy.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 11:07 AM (NOIQH)

132 Ivana, we have the most luxurious wormsign the likes of which even God has never seen.

Posted by: Donald Atreides at January 16, 2016 11:07 AM (VdICR)

133 >>Yup. Ford pardoned Nixon for just that

D'oh! Missed the obvious!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 11:08 AM (NOIQH)

134 I'm still trying to figure out what "aggressively successful" means.

Posted by: no good deed at January 16, 2016 11:08 AM (GgxVX)

135 >>Hear is my wildest wish, President Cruz nominates Sarah Palin as secretary of state

LOL.

I would suggest he make her some sort of "czar" just so that he doesn't have to get Congressional approval.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 11:10 AM (NOIQH)

136
134 I'm still trying to figure out what "aggressively successful" means.
Posted by: no good deed at January 16, 2016 11:08 AM (GgxVX)

Armed robbery?

Posted by: eman at January 16, 2016 11:10 AM (MQEz6)

137 76 Well, I just realized that none of my comments on the morning thread, or the one on here, got posted. All on a banned AT&T IP.

Posted by: mindful webworker - wort the fork at January 16, 2016 10:44 AM (PG1FL)


AT&T is the worst ISP in the universe. In my technical support days, whenever we had problems with our software that turned out to be related to connectivity, the ISP, more often than not, was AT&T.

Had one customer who couldn't get back on the internet after a reboot without first having to fiddle with her AT&T "connection manager". Told her that if it were me, I wouldn't put up with that crap and I'd demand AT&T fix it, but she had gotten used to it.

You get what you settle for.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 11:10 AM (mFWK9)

138 Uh oh, I think I offended a Trump supporter.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 16, 2016 11:10 AM (UnJ7w)

139 Yo
Taking the new irons out for a spin today
Hopefully everyone will be at the Sony

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:11 AM (2Kjwm)

140 >>I'm still trying to figure out what "aggressively successful" means.

Maybe it refers to the super-rich wall street types - think: Gordon Gecko, "wolf of Wall Street"?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 11:12 AM (NOIQH)

141 Oh, pls recall I called Cruz as the next president early on
But as usual no one believed the resident dem
Ye of little faith

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:12 AM (2Kjwm)

142 Obama would claim an accomplishment if he managed to use the potty and flush the toilet all by himself.

Would? I'm fairly certain his smug self-satisfaction with that is what powers his strut.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 16, 2016 11:12 AM (LUgeY)

143 120
Mark Dice interviews them every week. Recent sample:
https://youtu.be/WwjqghPBK3Y

Posted by: mindful webworker - missed it by thatmuch! at January 16, 2016 11:04 AM (PG1FL)


I'm not sure whether I should shoot myself or volunteer for the first Mars colony.

Posted by: rickl at January 16, 2016 11:12 AM (sdi6R)

144 What about the 21,427 diplomats killed under Bush!!!!



DON'T YOU CARE!!?!
Posted by: RWC at January 16, 2016 10:55 AM (hlMPp)


I find that number hard to believe. DeSoto only made the Diplomat from 1946 to 1951, and I can't see there were that many on the road in the 80's

Posted by: Kindltot at January 16, 2016 11:13 AM (q2o38)

145 * smiles and waves back at Lizzy *

Skip: you have to make sure everything is right, playing with emojis last night found you can do it the old way typing symbols but tried to use my library of them kept getting kicked back.

No, there are a bunch of banned AT&T IPs. I run into them now and then.

Don't know what you're trying to do with "emojis" on Pixy. The only allowable images here are listed at http://smilies.mee.nu

This and more handy tips in my unofficial, unauthrorized Ace of Spades Blog Commenters Survival Guide
http://bit.ly/aoshq-csg

Posted by: mindful webworker - missed it by thatmuch! at January 16, 2016 11:14 AM (PG1FL)

146 Cleaning will not be enough.
Radical surgery is needed.
Dept. of Education: gone.
Health and Human Services: gone.
Energy: gone.
Homeland Security: gone.
The list goes on.
Posted by: eman


We're at the stage where the blood bloated parasites clamped onto the host are starting to weigh more than the host (us). We are becoming anemic, weaker and weaker.

We need to pull out a machete and begin slicing off the parasites.

Posted by: angela urkel at January 16, 2016 11:14 AM (GKF1b)

147 Could you imagine what the first STOTU given by trump would be like? AWESOME, THAT'S WHAT.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 16, 2016 11:15 AM (UnJ7w)

148 So if I post a comment in an AoSHQ thread using Internet Explorer, the ampersands show up.

If I post a comment in an AoSHQ thread using Pale Moon, the ampersands get stripped out.

I wonder why that is?

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 11:15 AM (mFWK9)

149 Sock off.

The fact that Huckabee does better than Fiorina in all three categories makes me want to prepare for the idiocracy.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 16, 2016 11:15 AM (VdICR)

150 You get what you settle for.

"Working the land. Hoping for a fertile Spring."
"Now go churn some butter, and make your own clothes."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 16, 2016 11:16 AM (xq1UY)

151 Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:12 AM (2Kjwm)

I'd rather it was Trump because I like Cruz better. Really, anyone who *hates* Trump should vote for him because this Presidency is going to be *awful* as reality reasserts itself.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 16, 2016 11:16 AM (GDulk)

152 147. That would be like imagining winning the lottery
Not going to happen

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:17 AM (2Kjwm)

153 I hate reality. It insists upon itself.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 16, 2016 11:17 AM (VdICR)

154 Yo
Taking the new irons out for a spin today
Hopefully everyone will be at the Sony
Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:11 AM (2Kjwm)

What irons did you get?

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 16, 2016 11:18 AM (MNgU2)

155 As Part Of Prisoner Swap For Rezaian, U.S Will Pressure Interpol To Cease Prosecution Of Those Who Bombed Jewish Center In Argentina

This deal is getting worse all the time

Weasel ZIppers

Well it was ONLY JOOOS after all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 11:18 AM (gf8BH)

156 The only impression Pataki made as governor was that he looked like Kevin Sorbo at the time. When he announced he was running my first thought was, "Did he switch parties? I thought he was a Democrat".

Posted by: angela urkel at January 16, 2016 11:18 AM (GKF1b)

157 This and more handy tips in my unofficial, unauthrorized Ace of Spades Blog Commenters Survival Guide

http://bit.ly/aoshq-csg
Posted by: mindful webworker - missed it by thatmuch! at January 16, 2016 11:14 AM (PG1FL)


This is actually pretty cool. Good info.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 11:18 AM (mFWK9)

158 Not going to happen
Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:17 AM (2Kjwm)

That and being a professor of Constitutional law.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 16, 2016 11:19 AM (UnJ7w)

159 151. I don't hate trump
I just want a proven conservative to win
Cruz I believe is the only one running

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:19 AM (2Kjwm)

160 Cruz should demand that Cuomo and DeBlasio apologize for saying Americans who don't agree with them are unwelcome in New York. Take it up a notch.

That poll about Cruz, I believe, is only among Republicans. It would be interesting to see how democrats view him.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 16, 2016 11:20 AM (s/yC1)

161
[Cruz] had a great week, imho.


Let's see - his Canadinousity became above the fold news. His Goldman loan story broke requiring more playing of defense. And his New York comment pissed off the Gotham media elite -- conservative JV team included.

Another week like that and he'll finish 3rd in Iowa.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 11:20 AM (kdS6q)

162 Well Iran is rick rolling us again on the prisoner deal...my G-D we have become the suckers of the world

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 11:21 AM (gf8BH)

163 John Bonham drag racing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ClIALCuZnQ

Posted by: DaveA at January 16, 2016 11:21 AM (DL2i+)

164 We're at the stage where the blood bloated parasites clamped onto the host are starting to weigh more than the host (us). We are becoming anemic, weaker and weaker.

We need to pull out a machete and begin slicing off the parasites.


And when the Prog/Com/Dims start their inevitable screaming, just point to the $18T with a T dollars of debt and say, "If you were only making $40,000 per year, would you go $20 million dollars into debt?"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 16, 2016 11:21 AM (LUgeY)

165 @105 It only cost us $100 Billion.
Reagan would have had him released with a threat.


Reagan would not have had to make the threat.
Reagan was the threat.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 16, 2016 11:22 AM (xq1UY)

166 154. The new Mizuno JPX EZ
Not the forged ones though, I wanted the more forgiving of the two plus I already get plenty of distance
I get 150 average off my 7

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:22 AM (2Kjwm)

167 USA Today 10/31/2013

Billionaire real estate mogul Donald Trump would probably be one of the last people to say nice things about Bill de Blasio, given the New York City mayoral hopeful's desire to raise taxes on the wealthy.

But The Donald did just that Thursday, calling the Democrat a "smart guy" who "is not going to want to destroy New York" during an appearance on an Albany radio program.

"I think pretty strongly that he'll end being a good mayor, maybe a very good mayor, and I don't think he's going to want to kill the golden goose," Trump is quoted as saying by the New York Daily News.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 16, 2016 11:22 AM (gyKtp)

168 >>U.S Will Pressure Interpol To Cease Prosecution Of Those Who Bombed Jewish Center In Argentina

Geez. Next we'll hear Obama will make a special Rose Garden speech in which he apologizes to Iran, on behalf of America, for everything the US has done in the past, most especially supporting the Shah and the Iran hostage situation (he'll find a way to make that our fault).

Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 11:22 AM (NOIQH)

169
This and more handy tips in my unofficial, unauthrorized Ace of Spades Blog Commenters Survival Guide
http://bit.ly/aoshq-csg

Posted by: mindful webworker - missed it by thatmuch! at January 16, 2016 11:14 AM (PG1FL)









That's a good guide to the HQ. I especially like the virtually unreadable red text on reddish-brown background for the comments. Perfectly in keeping with the AoS aesthetic.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2016 11:23 AM (o98Jz)

170 160. We like Cruz
Next question

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:23 AM (2Kjwm)

171 I don't hate trump
I just want a proven conservative to win
Cruz I believe is the only one running
Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:19 AM (2Kjwm)


I love how Trump is blowing up the GOPe. He did a service to us all in his expert take down of Shemp Bush but a conservative he is not. I much prefer Cruz or even Rand. I can't wait for the primaries to start.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 16, 2016 11:24 AM (UnJ7w)

172 Howdy back, Polliwog.

* waves to receding virtual figure of FenelonSpoke *

OregonMuse: No AT&T connectivity problems here. I can read the board, and everything else, just fine.

It's just comments that get blocked, so I'm pretty sure it's Pixy's ban list.

I presume someone spams or trolls on an AT&T IP, it gets banned, and when I get that IP in the pool, my comments get banned, too.

I just go into "airplane" mode and back out, get a new IP, and good to comment.

Posted by: mindful webworker - connective tissue sample at January 16, 2016 11:25 AM (PG1FL)

173 >>Let's see - his Canadinousity became above the fold news.

And he crushed that issue vs Trump in the debate. So now I'm sure all of the Concerned Conservatives (*cough cough* Rubio backers) who were Concerned that Cruz wasn't punching back at Trump will stop whining about that. He embarrassed Rinse Pious to the point that he finally had to say it was a non-issue. Only folks keeping that alive are the GOPers who hate Cruz and some (but not all) Democrats.

>>His Goldman loan story broke requiring more playing of defense.

It was debunked in a couple of hours, but your concern is noted.

>>And his New York comment pissed off the Gotham media elite -- conservative JV team included.

They are normally so supportive of Republicans, excuse me CONSERVATIVES, so this surprises me.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 16, 2016 11:25 AM (t5zYU)

174 In other news, Sesame Street is now going to be on HBO? Great, does this mean that we can NOW close PBS?

Posted by: FCF at January 16, 2016 11:26 AM (kejii)

175 148 So if I post a comment in an AoSHQ thread using Internet Explorer, the ampersands show up.

If I post a comment in an AoSHQ thread using Pale Moon, the ampersands get stripped out.

I wonder why that is?
---------------------------------------------------

I have a theory about that....Let me describe alternative universes to you.

Posted by: Richard Feynman at January 16, 2016 11:26 AM (TxJGV)

176 If killing Jews is wrong, I don't want to be right.

- Barack Obama

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 16, 2016 11:26 AM (Nwg0u)

177 171. I agree
Trump did three things which were needed
1: showed some fucking balls
2: showed the GOPe that we're sick of them
3: made politics fun

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:26 AM (2Kjwm)

178 I get 150 average off my 7

Wow. How do you hit the cart path every time?

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at January 16, 2016 11:27 AM (+c55T)

179 174 In other news, Sesame Street is now going to be on HBO? Great, does this mean that we can NOW close PBS?
Posted by: FCF at January 16, 2016 11:26 AM (kejii)


Don't be ridiculous. The optics would be bad.

Posted by: The GOPe at January 16, 2016 11:27 AM (sdi6R)

180 Can you pardon a person who has not yet been convicted?


Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 11:05 AM (NOIQH)

Yes

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 16, 2016 11:28 AM (t2KH5)

181 I presume someone spams or trolls on an AT&T IP, it gets banned, and when I get that IP in the pool, my comments get banned, too.
--------------------

My AT&T IP has been banned for *thinks*... over a year and a half.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, still banned at January 16, 2016 11:28 AM (n22zQ)

182 Like the secrets to life, there are many things we do not know about ampersands.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 16, 2016 11:29 AM (Nwg0u)

183 178. I don't hit the cart path
The trees are nice enough to block the ball
Damn my driver hates me

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:29 AM (2Kjwm)

184 Can you pardon a person who has not yet been convicted?

How about for things they may or may not do in the future? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Hilary! at January 16, 2016 11:29 AM (+c55T)

185 hi all
cruz or bust

Posted by: chemjeff @ phone go chiefs at January 16, 2016 11:30 AM (Vm4Do)

186 I got a body part you can sign.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 16, 2016 11:31 AM (UnJ7w)

187 Can you pardon a person who has not yet been convicted?

God, I hope so.

Posted by: Zombie Richard Nixon at January 16, 2016 11:31 AM (QWY55)

188 Dream Ticket for me Cruz/West 2016

Posted by: Paladin at January 16, 2016 11:31 AM (QGbEp)

189 185. I read that as Cruz's bust
Need more coffee

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:31 AM (2Kjwm)

190
182 Like the secrets to life, there are many things we do not know about ampersands.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 16, 2016 11:29 AM (Nwg0u)

Exactly.

Have they mastered the power of invisibility or teleportation, or both?

Posted by: eman at January 16, 2016 11:31 AM (MQEz6)

191 Question here: Hasn't Trump made noises about allowing many/most illegals to return to the US through legal channels after he kicks them all out and builds a wall?
Has Trump specifically said what he intends to do regarding legal immigration post-wall, or has he left that vague?

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2016 11:32 AM (bZ7mE)

192 Can you pardon a person who has not yet been convicted?


Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 11:05 AM (NOIQH)

Yes


-
Sorta like indulgences sold by the Pope prior to the Reformation and that worked out well.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 16, 2016 11:32 AM (Nwg0u)

193 137 ATT is the worst ISP in the universe. In my
technical support days, whenever we had problems with our software that
turned out to be related to connectivity, the ISP, more often than not,
was ATT.



Had one customer who couldn't get back on the internet after a
reboot without first having to fiddle with her ATT "connection
manager". Told her that if it were me, I wouldn't put up with that crap
and I'd demand ATT fix it, but she had gotten used to it.



You get what you settle for.



Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 11:10 AM (mFWK9)

Their cell phone service is crap too.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 16, 2016 11:32 AM (t2KH5)

194 Like the secrets to life, there are many things we do not know about ampersands.
Posted by: The Great White Snark
-----------------

The Mobius strip of punctuation marks.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, still banned at January 16, 2016 11:32 AM (n22zQ)

195 Sesame Street will now feature full frontal nudity and gay sex.
HBO

Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2016 11:32 AM (8HTq1)

196 188. Same here
Been calling for that since the beginning
That and Palin's boobs/me 2016 too

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:32 AM (2Kjwm)

197 Ampersands did not come up during the last GOP debate; I guess no one wanted to go there.

Posted by: eman at January 16, 2016 11:33 AM (MQEz6)

198 the ISP, more often than not,
was ATT.
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I blame the Yahoo association.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, still banned at January 16, 2016 11:33 AM (n22zQ)

199  So if I post a comment in an AoSHQ thread using Internet Explorer, the ampersands show up.If I post a comment in an AoSHQ thread using Pale Moon, the ampersands get stripped out.I wonder why that is?Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 11:15 AM

If JavaScript is enabled Pixy strips out the ampersand. It's just that simple.

Posted by: The Annoying Guy Who Always Bitches About JavaScript at January 16, 2016 11:33 AM (fbovC)

200 Great. The damned illegal diamonds have crossed the border again.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, still banned at January 16, 2016 11:34 AM (n22zQ)

201
>>Let's see - his Canadinousity became above the fold news.
And he crushed that issue

>>His Goldman loan story broke requiring more playing of defense.
It was debunked in a couple of hours, but your concern is noted.

>>And his New York comment pissed off the Gotham media elite -- conservative JV team included.
They are normally so supportive of Republicans, excuse me CONSERVATIVES, so this surprises me.
Posted by: Y-not



1. The Canada issue is there peeling off votes in Iowa and isn't going away.

2. His additional Citibank loan broke yesterday that he's having to explain, and if you're explaining, you're not campaigning.

3. Uhhhh -- I forget the third one.

4. Read the Kept Conservative rags and twitter to see just how much that new Yawk crack cost Cruz among the Anybody But Trump team. And it gained him nothing.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 11:34 AM (kdS6q)

202 IllTemperedCur: That's a good guide to the HQ. I especially like the virtually unreadable red text on reddish-brown background for the comments. Perfectly in keeping with the AoS aesthetic.

I was told by another Moron of that problem - when running without javascript, some of the styling gets borked.

I've never noticed it, on any computer or cell I've used, but I admit my cascading style sheets are pretty complicated, so it may stump some systems.

Shouldn't need javascript to see styling properly, though. What browser are you using?

Posted by: mindful webworker - with style at January 16, 2016 11:35 AM (PG1FL)

203 Freddie Gray Jury Was ONE VOTE Away From Acquitting Baltimore Cop Of Manslaughter

Dailycaller.com

Mixed on the other counts..totally fucked up case



Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 11:35 AM (gf8BH)

204 Ampersands are only for the so called elite north easterners
The unpeople get black diamonds

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:35 AM (2Kjwm)

205 Ampersands are not the hill to die on.

Posted by: Beard and Turtle at January 16, 2016 11:35 AM (+c55T)

206 Dream Ticket for me Cruz/West 2016
Posted by: Paladin at January 16, 2016 11:31 AM (QGbEp)

Wait, are you SURE West is a natural born citizen? The dems are gonna bring this up in the national election. Nope, sorry, just means we have to nominate Trump.

Posted by: Trump Superfan wearing his best "Who Farted?" t-shirt. at January 16, 2016 11:36 AM (UnJ7w)

207 174
In other news, Sesame Street is now going to be on HBO? Great, does this mean that we can NOW close PBS?

Posted by: FCF at January 16, 2016 11:26 AM (kejii)


May be an indication that PBS is about to close its doors. Tweed coats with elbow patches hardest hit.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at January 16, 2016 11:37 AM (yxw0r)

208 I would love for the GOP primary to turn into a two way Trump vs not-trump Cruz.
Either way the GOPe are gnashing their fangs.

Posted by: @votermom at January 16, 2016 11:38 AM (cbfNE)

209 1. The Canada issue is there peeling off votes in Iowa and isn't going away.

2. His additional Citibank loan broke yesterday that he's having to explain, and if you're explaining, you're not campaigning.

3. Uhhhh -- I forget the third one.

4.
Read the Kept Conservative rags and twitter to see just how much that
new Yawk crack cost Cruz among the Anybody But Trump team. And it gained
him nothing.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 11:34 AM (kdS6q)


You speak for Iowa, do you?

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2016 11:38 AM (TOk1P)

210 203. A case based on politics should never occur
The popo should have all caught the blue flu for a couple weeks

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:38 AM (2Kjwm)

211
I was told by another Moron of that problem - when running without javascript, some of the styling gets borked.

I've never noticed it, on any computer or cell I've used, but I admit my cascading style sheets are pretty complicated, so it may stump some systems.

Shouldn't need javascript to see styling properly, though. What browser are you using?

Posted by: mindful webworker - with style at January 16, 2016 11:35 AM (PG1FL)







Duh. Had NoScript running. Nevermind.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2016 11:39 AM (o98Jz)

212 Wait, are you SURE West is a natural born citizen?

The Forefathers couldn't have foreseen C-Sections, so there's a big ol' gray area when it comes to Republican candidates.

Posted by: t-bird at January 16, 2016 11:39 AM (J3phO)

213 195 Sesame Street will now feature full frontal nudity and gay sex.
HBO
Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2016 11:32 AM (8HTq1)


And Deadwood levels of cussing.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 11:39 AM (mFWK9)

214
BTW - the GOPe backstabbed you again:


House Republicans have abandoned their ambitions to sue the Obama administration over the nuclear deal with Iran. Litigation is "an option that is very possible," former House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said in September."We will use every tool at our disposal to stop, slow and delay this agreement from being fully implemented," he pledged.

The prospect of litigation was raised during a final moment of tension between Boehner and House conservatives. But now, a spokeswoman with Ryan did not respond to repeated inquiries about the prospects of a lawsuit. Multiple lawmakers and aides, including the office of Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), said that they were unaware of any active effort to a draft a suit.

The Hill


Won't even pretend fight anymore.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 11:39 AM (kdS6q)

215 Ampersands are only for the so called elite north easterners
The unpeople get black blood diamonds

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 16, 2016 11:39 AM (Nwg0u)

216 1. The Canada issue is there peeling off votes in Iowa and isn't going away.

Not according to Reuter's poll reporting that 25% of republicans don't think Cruz is qualified based on birth.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 16, 2016 11:40 AM (s/yC1)

217 My corollary to the "If you're harping on the New York values thing you are silly," is this: If you are going to rip Cruz, I'm going to assume you are one of Rubio's bois.

You might say you love the Trumper, but you're not telling the truth.

You love the brown Obama boi, Rubio.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2016 11:40 AM (TOk1P)

218 Testing <-- ampersands

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 11:40 AM (mFWK9)

219 I think Cruz would make a great Prez and Trump wiuld be a good one.

The rest are refried shit.

Posted by: eman at January 16, 2016 11:40 AM (MQEz6)

220 damn

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 11:40 AM (mFWK9)

221 Tweed coats with elbow patches hardest hit.
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and bow ties.

Posted by: Bill Nye at January 16, 2016 11:40 AM (n22zQ)

222 Not according to Reuter's poll reporting that 25% of republicans don't think Cruz is qualified based on birth.
Posted by: rrpjr at January 16, 2016 11:40 AM (s/yC1)

Sorry -- cut and pasted wrong quote. I agree -- it isn't going away.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 16, 2016 11:41 AM (s/yC1)

223 194
Like the secrets to life, there are many things we do not know about ampersands.

Posted by: The Great White Snark

-----------------



The Mobius strip of punctuation marks.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, still banned


It is my understanding that several were recently captured by Japanese fishermen. They did not survive.

Posted by: pep at January 16, 2016 11:41 AM (LAe3v)

224 213. Big bird: hey Oscar, can you count to 2?
Oscar the grouch: sure, get your yellow mouth one two my dick

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:41 AM (2Kjwm)

225 Looking at the poll what jumps out are Jeb!'s unfavorable numbers: 45% - highest of all the candidates and 10 points higher than Trump's, who's second. Jeb! isn't toast, he's week old crumbs, good Lord.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at January 16, 2016 11:41 AM (N9gZs)

226 Testing &&&&&& <-- ampersands

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 11:42 AM (mFWK9)

227
&

Science!

Posted by: m at January 16, 2016 11:42 AM (n22zQ)

228 Chrome keeps the & in.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 11:42 AM (mFWK9)

229 Won't even pretend fight anymore. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 11:39 AM

Just as bad, no one will call them on it.

Once impeachment was Off The Table, Choom Boy was home free.

Thank you, True Conservatives, for being nice guys and handing the Mocha Messiah the tools he needed to destroy the nation.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 16, 2016 11:42 AM (ZPz7d)

230 Well Iran is rick rolling us again on the prisoner deal...my G-D we have become the suckers of the world
Posted by: Nevergiveup


Frustrating thing is, we're not suckers at the stage of having made this or that bad deal. We're suckers at the stage of electing an anti-American president, twice. And are there many suckers at that step? Corporate lobbyists and fsa-ers get what they want and don't care about released terrorists or a dominant Iran. Radical liberals and Muslims want to see the US weakened as much as Obama and Jarrett. Conservatives aren't suckers so much as victims. That leaves the LIVs I guess. Hopefully they'll all be on board by November.

Posted by: angela urkel at January 16, 2016 11:42 AM (GKF1b)

231 Sesame Street will now feature full frontal nudity and gay sex.
HBO
Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2016 11:32 AM (8HTq1)

And Deadwood levels of cussing.

Listen, motherfvcker, I want some cookies and I want them now. Clocksucker.

- The Cookie Monster

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 16, 2016 11:43 AM (Nwg0u)

232 If one is just desperate for ampersands, substitute (without spaces) & # 3 8

Posted by: m at January 16, 2016 11:43 AM (n22zQ)

233 Funny to hear about the problems with AT&T. I have none of those, in phone service, text, internet, hotspot, or anything else. Might be a regional thing. Our Wal-Mart is clean and employees are friendly, too. And both the DMV folks and the Postal Service folks are neighborly and efficient.

Not that I like AT&T, per se. I'm just entrenched with them (family plan) and not motivated to switch. I remember when we thought we had killed them off the first time!

Posted by: mindful webworker - but it works at January 16, 2016 11:43 AM (PG1FL)

234 Big Bird cuts off Ned Stark's head.

Posted by: eman at January 16, 2016 11:44 AM (MQEz6)

235 195 Sesame Street will now feature full frontal nudity and gay sex.
HBO
Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2016 11:32 AM (8HTq1)


Unfortunately, this is all too believable.

Posted by: The GOPe at January 16, 2016 11:44 AM (sdi6R)

236 229 You so much as mention the" I word" the GOPe collectively shit their pants.

Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2016 11:44 AM (8HTq1)

237 So I guess that means for Iowa I am rooting for Cruz to ensure he stays in.
That said I think his NY values crack was an error - it was a Balkanazing statement like Obarky likes to make. And it teed up a great opening for Trump.

Posted by: @votermom at January 16, 2016 11:44 AM (cbfNE)

238 Off, sock.

Posted by: rickl at January 16, 2016 11:44 AM (sdi6R)

239 The browser keeps the & in
Or it gets the hose again

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 11:45 AM (mFWK9)

240 Funny how all the Dem politicos and their lackeys love New Yawk but unless you are wealthy Manhattan is out of reach for you and parts of the Bronx and Brooklyn look like Dresden after the fire bombing of 1944. Overtaxed, overregulated Democratic stronghold where they loot other people's taxes which they use to buy votes. To hell with Cuomo and De Blasio and their ilk and those who vote for them.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 16, 2016 11:45 AM (ej1L0)

241 Posted by: mindful webworker - but it works at January 16, 2016 11:43 AM (PG1FL)

You must live in Texas

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 16, 2016 11:45 AM (UnJ7w)

242 The first episode will feature the gay marriage of Bert and Ernie.
HBO

Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2016 11:46 AM (8HTq1)

243 So...is Sesame Street going to be exclusively on HBO, or is this an extension of the PBS-aired show?

I just don't understand how bringing a free, easily accessible show to a paid cable station is a plus *for viewers*. This seems to be all about profit, profits that the makers of Sesame street have managed to pocket (all that SS character swag, video sales, etc.) all while being bankrolled by us, the taxpayers. If they are making $$$ from HBO how can they continue PBS/CPB funding*?


*Other PBS shows have been gaming the system forever, such as Bill Moyers creating a production co., which PBS funds, while Moyers' co. retains the resale rights to his programs so he can make a nice profit on video sales, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 11:46 AM (NOIQH)

244 test

Posted by: Vic at January 16, 2016 11:46 AM (t2KH5)

245 &&& $$$ & $ @ # ! >>

galaxy metroweb test

Posted by: angela urkel & at January 16, 2016 11:47 AM (GKF1b)

246 JavaScript off &&&&

Posted by: The Annoying Guy Who Always Bitches About JavaScript at January 16, 2016 11:47 AM (fbovC)

247 You so much as mention the" I word" the GOPe collectively shit their pants.

Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2016 11:44 AM


It has been that way since 2009.

Those of us who dared mention it in the beginning (when Choom Boy was only warming up) got face-fulls of dung from some Giants Of Political Blogging. Haven't seen any sign that continued treason has changed their minds.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 16, 2016 11:47 AM (ZPz7d)

248
Sorry -- cut and pasted wrong quote. I agree -- it isn't going away.
Posted by: rrpjr



Don't agree with me. I was going to argue with you!

*shakes fist*

The stat that polled out last week that hit me on the issue was half the Republican votes in Iowa wern't even aware Cruz was born in Canada, PPP poll of 1/12.

The issue won't get him votes there, it can only cost him votes as the tassle-fondlers become aware of it.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 11:48 AM (kdS6q)

249 JavaScript on &&&&

Posted by: The Annoying Guy Who Always Bitches About JavaScript at January 16, 2016 11:48 AM (fbovC)

250 Does anyone know the song, "Baker Street," by Gerry Rafferty?

The intro is going through my head. Will someone please come here and hit me with a bat. Maybe that will help.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 16, 2016 11:48 AM (Zu3d9)

251 That poll about Cruz, I believe, is only among Republicans. It would be interesting to see how democrats view him.
Posted by: rrpjr at January 16, 2016 11:20 AM (s/yC1)


Here are the polls among all adults (yeah, I know, Huffington Post, but no other site had this broad of a collection of favorability polls).

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster#favorability-ratings

The Gist:

Cruz's numbers are lower, Fav 38 / Unfav 41, but actually better than most other Republican candidates. Rubio's are Fav 37 / Unfav 39. Trump's are...different.

On the bright side, Hillary's are Fav 43 / Unfav 52.

Posted by: AD at January 16, 2016 11:49 AM (QWY55)

252 148 So if I post a comment in an AoSHQ thread using Internet Explorer, the ampersands show up.

If I post a comment in an AoSHQ thread using Pale Moon, the ampersands get stripped out.

I wonder why that is?
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 11:15 AM (mFWK9)


I'm pretty sure that if you disable the FireFox compatibility mode within Palemoon (i.e., not send a "FireFox" useragent to the web server), then the Pixy JavaScript comment box will be replaced by a plain text box. You should then be able to use ampersands with impunity.

&&&&&&&&

I'm using Safari, BTW.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at January 16, 2016 11:50 AM (jV8Mq)

253 I was surprised yesterday that there was such discussion of Burkino Faso, and yet none at all about the pronunciation of the capital city, Ouagadougou.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 16, 2016 11:50 AM (n22zQ)

254 250. Hitting a dildo with a bat
That's so wrong on so many levels

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:50 AM (2Kjwm)

255 Palin for Interior.

SOS - Bolton
Defense - Allan West
HHS - Carson (who better for surgical precision?)


That is some of the current fantasy team. Any others? Assuming a Cruz/Trump administration.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 16, 2016 11:50 AM (MIKMs)

256 Will someone please come here and hit me with a bat. Maybe that will help.


I would be delighted, this afternoon.

Posted by: The Annoying Guy Who Always Bitches About JavaScript at January 16, 2016 11:50 AM (fbovC)

257 Article on Sesame St was at nypost.com
Seems that it is moving lock stock and barrel, but I too wondered how they could sell rights to something we all paid for.

Posted by: FCF at January 16, 2016 11:50 AM (kejii)

258 Doesn't matter what I use to post with, ampersands do not show up.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 16, 2016 11:50 AM (t2KH5)

259 Test &

Posted by: AD at January 16, 2016 11:50 AM (QWY55)

260 Me, "So that nightmarish screaming? It's all coming from that bag of dry ice that's shoved up that pipe there?!!"

Guy with gloves, "Yep"

Me, "So why is the dry ice shoved up the pipe anyway?"

Guy, "Oh, that's just how it was before I carried it all off the ancient indian burial mound."

Posted by: bananaDream at January 16, 2016 11:51 AM (Ag8Mw)

261 WHAGADOODOO?

Posted by: Al Sharpton at January 16, 2016 11:51 AM (n22zQ)

262 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 16, 2016 11:45 AM (ej1L0)

Giuliani and, to a lesser extent Bloomberg cleaned up NYC. Those scenes from the 1970s and 1980s simply don't exist any more.

However, De Blasio is hellbent on returning NY to its former glory as the toilet of the country.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 16, 2016 11:51 AM (Zu3d9)

263 &

Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2016 11:51 AM (8HTq1)

264 That is some of the current fantasy team. Any others? Assuming a Cruz/Trump administration.
------------

Gowdy - AG

Posted by: Al Sharpton at January 16, 2016 11:52 AM (n22zQ)

265 251. Everyone I've talked to about the criminal said they're voting for her just to bring back the rapist
They say it's like having two presidents

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:52 AM (2Kjwm)

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 16, 2016 11:52 AM (Zu3d9)

267 It's probably been mentioned already, but I think the way Trump attacked Cruz on NYC values is his first sizable mistake.

Not liking this. Not liking this at all.

Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2016 11:52 AM (Fmupd)

268 Sesame Street will now feature full frontal nudity and gay sex. HBO
Posted by: steevy


It's a fact, the big bird puppeteer was a homosexual, and the voice of elmo was a pederast.

Posted by: angela urkel & at January 16, 2016 11:52 AM (GKF1b)

269 YABBADABBADOO

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 16, 2016 11:52 AM (Nwg0u)

270 Doesn't matter what I use to post with, ampersands do not show up.
Posted by: Vic
------

You tried '& # 3 8', without spaces?

Posted by: Al Sharpton at January 16, 2016 11:53 AM (n22zQ)

271 IllTemperedCur: Duh. Had NoScript running. Nevermind.

Yeah, NoScript. That's what the other fellow noted was the problem. Funny that it interferes with styling.

Posted by: mindful webworker - stylishly at January 16, 2016 11:54 AM (PG1FL)

272 AAAGADOU DOU DOU

Posted by: Patrick Zabe at January 16, 2016 11:54 AM (dbDB8)

273 The NY values thing is a calculated ploy; whether it works or not is yet to be seen. But part of Cruz's strategy is to win the South on Super Tuesday, and to do that he needs to take Trump down a notch or three.

Southerners, in general, don't much like NYC values. Or Yankees, politically speaking.

But Trump looks nigh unstoppable at this point.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 16, 2016 11:54 AM (gyKtp)

274 174 In other news, Sesame Street is now going to be on HBO?

Posted by: FCF at January 16, 2016 11:26 AM (kejii)


They'll be introducing a new character named Sugartits.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 11:54 AM (mFWK9)

275 >>HHS - Carson (who better for surgical precision?)

And he haaaaaaaates Obamacare. The real guts of Obamacare are in HHS, where so many of the rule/regulations are up the the discretion of Sec. of HHS. He could completely gut it.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 11:54 AM (NOIQH)

276 Everyone I've talked to about the criminal said they're voting for her just to bring back the rapist
They say it's like having two presidents

-
Or two really bad precedents.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 16, 2016 11:54 AM (Nwg0u)

277 OOGA DOOGOO

Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2016 11:54 AM (8HTq1)

278 Giuliani and, to a lesser extent Bloomberg cleaned up NYC. Those scenes from the 1970s and 1980s simply don't exist any more.

However, De Blasio is hellbent on returning NY to its former glory as the toilet of the country.


It's certainly nowhere near where it was in the 70s, but there's clearly been a lapse over the last year or two and even a little bit, though less pronounced, under the Bloomberg years.

Posted by: AD at January 16, 2016 11:54 AM (QWY55)

279 255. If Cruz wins the nomination he'll tag Martinez from New Mexico as VP

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:55 AM (2Kjwm)

280 270 You tried ' # 3 8', without spaces?

Posted by: Al Sharpton at January 16, 2016 11:53 AM (n22zQ)

No if it doesn't work from the keyboard I don't want it.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 16, 2016 11:55 AM (t2KH5)

281 Ampersand testing makes for a nice soothing interlude, like 'Any Colour You Like' on 'Dark Side of the Moon'.

Posted by: angela urkel at January 16, 2016 11:55 AM (GKF1b)

282 &

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 16, 2016 11:56 AM (Nwg0u)

283 Yes,the magical happy time of the mid 90's will be back once Bubba is jizzing in the Oval office again.

Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2016 11:56 AM (8HTq1)

284 It's a miracle!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 16, 2016 11:56 AM (Nwg0u)

285 >>Seems that it is moving lock stock and barrel.

Um, what about the "Digital Divide"???
Does this mean Obama plans on something like guaranteed, government funded cable and/or internet access for all?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 11:57 AM (NOIQH)

286 Once impeachment was Off The Table, Choom Boy was home free.

Thank you, True Conservatives, for being nice guys and handing the Mocha Messiah the tools he needed to destroy the nation.



Also thanks for not reminding TFP and the rest of the country that the preezy can't do whatever he wants: there are Constitutional limits on his power.

#WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 16, 2016 11:57 AM (LUgeY)

287
The guy who responded in disbelief to Bruce Jenner's statement that he was going to date men -- you'e right. It's a stunt to boost ratings on his show that shd have been canceled. How lame.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 16, 2016 11:57 AM (iQIUe)

288 I love how the NYT describes Cruz' secured Goldman and Citi loans as "scandals", complete with editorial raised eyebrows and tsk-tskng, because he failed to file an FEC form for them. He violated an important process and that should mean political death!

Hillary's raking in of hundreds of millions of bribes from government contractors and foreign governments while SecState show "questionable judgment". Bills past rapes are "old news" and his present-day pedophilia trips with Jeffrey Epstein are "beneath mentioning". Hillary's lies concerning Benghazi are "wingnuttery". Her obvious lies and evasions to escape responsibility for releasing untold government secrets to every halfway-competent intelligence service on the planet are "being investigated" and editorial comment should be reserved until those investigations are complete. No scandals here, just the usual complications surrounding the complex life of a major public figure.

Posted by: MTF at January 16, 2016 11:58 AM (TxJGV)

289 So Iran released the American hostages.... Has obama made a rose garden bragging statement yet?

Posted by: donna at January 16, 2016 11:58 AM (/dSsq)

290 285. Of course
Having access to porn and cats is a human right

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:58 AM (2Kjwm)

291 ampersand inequality has long been an issue & we have Top.Men working on it day & night, & hope to have this issue resolved & put behind us in #twoweeks

Posted by: AltonJackson at January 16, 2016 11:58 AM (KCxzN)

292
That is some of the current fantasy team. Any others? Assuming a Cruz/Trump administration.
Posted by: mustbequantum




Ivanka - Secretary of Hugz.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 11:58 AM (kdS6q)

293 Everyone I've talked to about the criminal said they're voting for her just to bring back the rapist
They say it's like having two presidents


You know what would have been awesome?

If over the last 20 years or so, Republicans had actually attacked them over those allegations instead of leaving Bill to be used as a Dem asset.

I'm not a Trump guy, at all, but I have to give credit to him for at least being willing to go there.

That's what a candidate who's actually interested in winning looks like. With Trump, I think it's as much for his ego as anything ideological. But that's what it f'kin' looks like.

Posted by: AD at January 16, 2016 11:59 AM (QWY55)

294 If Cruz wins the nomination he'll tag Martinez from New Mexico as VP
Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 11:55 AM (2Kjwm)

Ah ha! Martinez? Definitely not natural born and ineligible to become president if Cruz croaks, which I've heard his health is not terrific. Nice try!

Posted by: Trump Superfan wearing his best "Who Farted?" t-shirt. at January 16, 2016 11:59 AM (UnJ7w)

295 The guy who responded in disbelief to Bruce Jenner's statement that he was going to date men -- you'e right. It's a stunt to boost ratings on his show that shd have been canceled. How lame.

So Bruce isn't a lesbian?

Posted by: donna at January 16, 2016 11:59 AM (/dSsq)

296 Ahooga! Ahooga!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 16, 2016 11:59 AM (Nwg0u)

297 294. Really?
To the Google!!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 12:00 PM (2Kjwm)

298 >>So Bruce isn't a lesbian?

Since he still has his man bits, and he's dating men...no, he's the opposite.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 12:01 PM (NOIQH)

299 The sidebar is wrong.

That sound doesn't come from the dry ice. It comes from whatever you press the dry ice against.

I know because I tested it on the wife.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at January 16, 2016 12:02 PM (QjoP6)

300 Really?
Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 12:00 PM (2Kjwm)

Yes, really.

Posted by: Trump Superfan wearing his best at January 16, 2016 12:02 PM (UnJ7w)

301 That is some of the current fantasy team. Any others? Assuming a Cruz/Trump administration.

*ahem*

http://backwardsboy.blogspot.com/2014/07/if-i-were-ted-cruz.html

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 16, 2016 12:02 PM (LUgeY)

302 They'll be introducing a new character named Sugartits.


Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 11:54 AM (mFWK9)

There's a rural community down here called Sugartit....srsly.

Posted by: BignJames at January 16, 2016 12:02 PM (HtUkt)

303 another thing

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 16, 2016 12:03 PM (0O7c5)

304 Arson Wells: You must live in Texas

Even better, NE Oklahoma. Where we keep Texas around as a buffer to Mexico. Big, big buffer.

*

Ouagadougou, Burkino Faso: I was made aware of these a couple of years ago when my daughter and a friend of hers, as part of their continuing adult self-education, did an extensive geography study.

Shame that it's a target now. Such a musical name.

♬ Ouagadougou, Burkino Faso
Never really been, so I don't really know... ♬

Posted by: mindful webworker - lyrically at January 16, 2016 12:03 PM (PG1FL)

305 297. She was born in El Paso, he dad was a Korean War marine, no word on mom
But still she was born here so she's good

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 12:03 PM (2Kjwm)

306 I think Rubio or Kasich will top every list for Veep, since Florida is an absolute must-win state and Ohio is the classic swing state (and Kasich is a popular governor).

But here's an off-the-wall comment I heard at dinner last night: Bush as a possible Veep. This was from a Cruz supporter I know, and he was suggesting Bush on the ticket would make it hard for the whiny Donor Class to support Hillary.

I myself don't really care who is the Veep, so long as they can do better than Paul Ryan in a debate.

Posted by: MTF at January 16, 2016 12:03 PM (TxJGV)

307 i wish ny values stayed in ny

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 16, 2016 12:05 PM (0O7c5)

308 If the nation were just Republican voters, our country wouldn't be in the shape its in. So this poll is pretty worthless

I'd love to see this poll when you include Independents and Democrats, I bet Ted Cruz is at the bottom, he's incredibly unlikable and has zero charisma

51% of voters are not Republicans, someone needs to pull in a new coalition to actually win, and its not going to be Ted Cruz

Posted by: Klipsch at January 16, 2016 12:05 PM (A3kYV)

309 306. That's why I think Martinez will get the nod
Ever try to argue with a pissed off Mexican chick?
It's not for the weak of heart

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 12:05 PM (2Kjwm)

310 Jesus, that cock sucker, and it appears he is, sounds like a spokesman for Iran

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 12:06 PM (gf8BH)

311 309 306. That's why I think Martinez will get the nod
Ever try to argue with a pissed off Mexican chick?
It's not for the weak of heart

Especially when She's drunk at a Christmas PARTY...

Posted by: donna at January 16, 2016 12:07 PM (/dSsq)

312 She was born in El Paso.
Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 16, 2016 12:03 PM (2Kjwm)

I have it on good authority she was born in El Paso before Texas became a state. She is also a vampire(Texas was annexed in 1945) and Even Donald will tell you that vampires are ineligible to become president.

Posted by: Trump Superfan wearing his best "Who Farted?" t-shirt at January 16, 2016 12:07 PM (UnJ7w)

313 The majority of NYC residents are minorities.

So the majority of NY values are those of the minority.

Something seems wrong with this equation.

Posted by: The Annoying Guy Who Always Bitches About JavaScript at January 16, 2016 12:08 PM (fbovC)

314 Jesus, that cock sucker, and it appears he is, sounds like a spokesman for Iran
Posted by: Nevergiveup


That sentence can be taken several different ways.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 16, 2016 12:10 PM (FkBIv)

315 51% of voters are not Republicans

Actually 77% aren't Republicans. 68% aren't Democrats.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 16, 2016 12:10 PM (rwI+c)

316 All the New Yorkers getting offended by "New York values"--IMO, Cruz should have limited it to New York *City* values--are like atheists who get mad when Christians says they aren't going to heaven. Why get mad at someone who agrees with you?

When Chick-fil-A wanted to open a franchise in Chicago, Rahm Emanuel said Chick-fil-A's values weren't reflective of Chicago values. What did he mean?

It was Donald Trump himself who first associated NYC values with being accepting of gay marriage and abortion. So if New Yorkers don't like it, they should blame New Yorker Donald Trump rather than the outsider Cruz who takes the life-long New Yorker's word for it.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at January 16, 2016 12:10 PM (QjoP6)

317
Ever try to argue with a pissed off Mexican chick?
Posted by: Navycopjoe



An old favorite - "Here, hold my baby!":

Pablo Francisco - Angry Mexican woman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Eaf91LAJ4

NSFW - Language

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 12:10 PM (kdS6q)

318 Hmmmm...

Obama pardons some Iranians, so they can be released and traded for Americans Iranians have been illegally holding...

Anddd awayyyyy we go!

There is no rule of law... only politics...

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 12:10 PM (f7rv6)

319 That sentence can be taken several different ways.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 16, 2016 12:10 PM (FkBIv)


No only one way, the factual way, and the way I meant it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 12:11 PM (gf8BH)

320 Arson Wells: You must live in Texas

Even better, NE Oklahoma. Where we keep Texas around as a buffer to Mexico. Big, big buffer.
Posted by: mindful webworker - lyrically at January 16, 2016 12:0

Living in said buffer I gladly take one for the team and eat delicious tex-mex cuisine.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 16, 2016 12:11 PM (UnJ7w)

321 I hated that cock sucking Shep

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 12:12 PM (gf8BH)

322 Living in said buffer I gladly take one for the team and eat delicious tex-mex cuisine.

Oklahoma trumps your with their tasty Prairie Crab Salad.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 16, 2016 12:12 PM (rwI+c)

323 What is that fuck babbling about?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 12:12 PM (gf8BH)

324 Question.... (and one I have about Southern Californias LA as well)...

Just what does New York Produce, besides Banks?

What is actually MADE there... besides money?

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 12:12 PM (f7rv6)

325 321
I hated that cock sucking Shep

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 12:12 PM (gf8BH)
me too....why is he on now?

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 16, 2016 12:13 PM (0O7c5)

326 Oklahoma trumps your with their tasty Prairie Crab Salad.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 16, 2016 12:12 PM (rwI+c)

Thanks for the recommendation.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 16, 2016 12:13 PM (UnJ7w)

327 IBM is still in NY, I believe.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 16, 2016 12:13 PM (rwI+c)

328  I hated that cock sucking Shep
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 12:12 PM

He died or you got over your hate?

Posted by: The Annoying Guy Who Always Bitches About JavaScript at January 16, 2016 12:13 PM (fbovC)

329 Just what does New York Produce, besides Banks?



What is actually MADE there... besides money?

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 12:12 PM (f7rv6)

Henry rifles.

Posted by: BignJames at January 16, 2016 12:14 PM (HtUkt)

330 I hope Cruz gets the nom. Why? Because at conventions, campaign events, and the Inauguration, his followers can chant: Crooooooooooooooooooze! It'll confound the MSM, "Why are all those people booing their candidate?" Back in the day, when Lou Brock played for the Cardinal's, Busch stadium would reverberate with "Louuuuuuuuuuu."
It worked.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 16, 2016 12:14 PM (5buP8)

331 Posted by: MTF at January 16, 2016 12:03 PM (TxJGV)

Dear G-d, I hope not. Why reprise Reagan's presidency on that point?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 16, 2016 12:15 PM (GDulk)

332 I have it on good authority she was born in El Paso before Texas became a state. She is also a vampire(Texas was annexed in 1945) and Even Donald will tell you that vampires are ineligible to become president.

Posted by: Trump Superfan wearing his best "Who Farted?" t-shirt at January 16, 2016 12:07 PM (UnJ7w)


Not so.... as long they were Naturally born BEFORE the change? Eligible...

Because, as we all know.... we already have plenty of blood sucking parasites in office in DC...

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 12:15 PM (f7rv6)

333
The U.S. Navy has been in discussions with shipbuilder Huntington Ingalls about the possibility of building a missile defense variant of the San Antonio-class amphibious transport dock (LPD-17). The massive 25,000-ton troop carrier has the size and weight margins for the mission, according to industry officials. The new vessel could eventually be equipped with new radars, railguns and lasers.

http://tinyurl.com/jbjxkyf



And a Wave Motion Gun....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 12:16 PM (kdS6q)

334 "Just what does New York Produce, besides Banks?"

Media. That's why Cruz actually put his foot in it.

Because media people are completely lacking in self-awareness.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at January 16, 2016 12:16 PM (QjoP6)

335 Pablo Francisco - Angry Mexican woman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Eaf91LAJ4
NSFW - Language
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 12:10 PM (kdS6q)


Francisco's description of two Mexican women fighting is hilarious.

He's doing the comedy that Anglo comedians just won't (can't) do.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 12:17 PM (mFWK9)

336 If there's breaking news CNN is always better. Shep's either jerking off or having a melt down, depending on the news that's breaking.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at January 16, 2016 12:19 PM (LYCUN)

337
Henry rifles.


Posted by: BignJames at January 16, 2016 12:14 PM (HtUkt)


So..... besides an antique firearm.... that's not useful in a military sense...

Anything else?

Cities used to build shit... .... Detroit/Cars... LA/ Trains and Planes... it was the reason they got big in the first place...

Now.... they just seem to HOUSE large populations of leeches who don't make things...

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 12:19 PM (f7rv6)

338 330 I hope Cruz gets the nom. Why? Because at conventions, campaign events, and the Inauguration, his followers can chant: Crooooooooooooooooooze! It'll confound the MSM, "Why are all those people booing their candidate?"

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 16, 2016 12:14 PM (5buP


No, what will happen is that the MSM will report with a straight face that the Republican candidate for president is getting booed everywhere goes.

Just wait and see.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 12:20 PM (mFWK9)

339 Apparently it is now A OK to bomb any Jewish Centers around the World. Fredo and State says so. Go right ahead

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 12:20 PM (gf8BH)

340 Because, as we all know.... we already have plenty of blood sucking parasites in office in DC...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 12:15 PM (f7rv6)

Why has she not yet renounced her Transylvanian dual citizenship? Nice try though, TRUMP 2016!

Posted by: Trump Superfan wearing his best "Who Farted?" t-shirt at January 16, 2016 12:20 PM (UnJ7w)

341 336 If there's breaking news CNN is always better. Shep's either jerking off or having a melt down, depending on the news that's breaking.

So has obama come out and bragged yet?

Posted by: donna at January 16, 2016 12:20 PM (/dSsq)

342 Media. That's why Cruz actually put his foot in it.

Because media people are completely lacking in self-awareness.


Which is why the furor over his comment shouldn't be judged by what is being said in the press.

I doubt there are many folks outside of NYC that have a really high opinion of NYC.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2016 12:20 PM (bZ7mE)

343 Apparently it is now A OK to bomb any Jewish Centers around the World. Fredo and State says so. Go right ahead
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 12:20 PM (gf8BH)


It's getting unhealthy for me to keep watching the news.

It looks like the Mossad has some work to do.

Posted by: AD at January 16, 2016 12:21 PM (QWY55)

344 "Just what does New York Produce, besides Banks?"

Anorexic models who appear in their second biggest export: adverts for overpriced shit, that they sell to over-compensated bankers.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 16, 2016 12:21 PM (5buP8)

345 329 Kimber is in Yonkers.

Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2016 12:22 PM (8HTq1)

346 It looks like the Mossad has some work to do.

I had always hoped that they would be the ones to give all the dirt on obama....

Posted by: donna at January 16, 2016 12:22 PM (/dSsq)

347
I doubt there are many folks outside of NYC that have a really high opinion of NYC.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2016 12:20 PM (bZ7mE)


EXCELLENT point!

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 12:22 PM (f7rv6)

348 >>>129
It's GEORGE PATAKI! Feel the excitement of his candidacy!
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 16, 2016 11:06 AM (t5zYU)
---
Thank you, Y-not. Every now and then, my lack of a television contributes to a little ignorance.

Posted by: Emmie at January 16, 2016 12:23 PM (ezXrF)

349 It appears that Fox has not brought in their A Team for this.

Posted by: tu3031 at January 16, 2016 12:24 PM (EDYaR)

350 How Fredo Rolls:

The Side Deal

The Executive Action

The Never voted on Treaties

Reconciliation to pass huge bills


Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 12:24 PM (gf8BH)

351 349
It appears that Fox has not brought in their A Team for this.


Posted by: tu3031 at January 16, 2016 12:24 PM (EDYaR)
it's saturday

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 16, 2016 12:24 PM (0O7c5)

352 i wish ny values stayed in ny
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 16, 2016 12:05 PM (0O7c5)

This x100...and their crappy politicians who seem to think the rest of the country is the upper east side and can't wait for the next "ban this" or 'tax that" to come out of their cake holes.
Koch, Dinkins, Giuliani, Bloomberg, De Blasio can all go fuck a duck and leave the rest of us alone.
Bunch of looters voted in by moochers.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 16, 2016 12:24 PM (ej1L0)

353 I want to puke

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 12:24 PM (gf8BH)

354
And if you're wondering why we have a Navy that can be bested by a Persian bass boat:

Carrier USS John C. Stennis (CVN-74) departed Naval Base Kitsap-Bremerton, Wash. for a seven-month Western Pacific deployment. The Stennis Carrier Strike Group (CSG) will be the center of the Great Green Fleet "a year-long initiative highlighting the Navy's efforts to transform its energy use to increase operational capability," read a statement from the service.

The concept will have the ship's escorts deploy with biofuels made from beef fat and petroleum.

http://tinyurl.com/zp8m73z


A truly pathetic reference to TR's Great White Fleet, one of the milestones in America becoming a great power.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 12:25 PM (kdS6q)

355 Sound check.

Posted by: tbodie at January 16, 2016 12:25 PM (7OF+y)

356 So is Cruz the last best hope if we're not on full-SMOD?

What are the legit criticisms of Cruz? I see a lot of ad hominem attacks but objectively I'm not seeing much downside at the moment. The RCP polls are actually giving me some belief that there could be an America after this year.

But maybe SMOD. Trump is basically SMOD-incarnate. Hillary and Bernie are something far less, just a miserable purgatory, no flash, no bang, no reset, just keep pushing that boulder uphill. Boooooring.

Posted by: 0302 at January 16, 2016 12:25 PM (hDDgx)

357 Will we get a football thread later?

Posted by: logprof, 2-time AoSHQ fantasy league champ at January 16, 2016 12:26 PM (vsbNu)

358 'Not a Swap"

" A one time deal"

What kind of fuck up dumb language is that?

My G-D, America's ass is raw today

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 12:26 PM (gf8BH)

359 So once again obama threw the Jews under the bus...

Posted by: donna at January 16, 2016 12:26 PM (/dSsq)

360 Cruz was born in Canada to a naturalized Canadian citizen and an American mother lived there till he was four then moved to Texas and held dual citizenship till last year.

I love Cruz but if Cruz is a natural born citizen then the term no
longer has any practical meaning other than at least one parent is an
American citizen and the circumstances of your place of birth and
upbringing have no bearing.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 16, 2016 12:26 PM (WVvzl)

361 Let me be clear. This prisoner swap is not a prisoner swap. We don't do that. That's not who we are,

Posted by: Emperor Clusterfuck I at January 16, 2016 12:26 PM (EDYaR)

362 What is actually MADE there... besides money?

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 12:12 PM (f7rv6)


Constitution hating asshole politicians.

Oh. and apples. Fracking apples is big business here in NY State.

Posted by: RickZ at January 16, 2016 12:26 PM (Ix+HS)

363 Yea, i exist. Now back to my regularly scheduled lurking.

Posted by: tbodie at January 16, 2016 12:26 PM (7OF+y)

364 Cruz should have simply said "Trump is a typical NYC liberal" it would have made the same point without being so clumsy

Instead saying he has "New York values" just looks so condescending, like Cruz is the better Christian.

You'll notice Cruz hasn't used the attack again, and he was seal clapping obediently at the debate when Trump hit it out of the park

Posted by: Klipsch at January 16, 2016 12:27 PM (A3kYV)

365 358 'Not a Swap"

" A one time deal"

WTF does that mean? Did He or did He not "exchange" Iranian prisoners for Us prisoners?

Posted by: donna at January 16, 2016 12:27 PM (/dSsq)

366 That "apology" is filled with rich, meaty, chewy facts on failed policies.

I've long been a Cruz fan, but he keeps getting better.

Posted by: stace at January 16, 2016 12:27 PM (CoX6k)

367 The only reason NYC is not a festering, corrupt, crime-ridden shithole like other east coast cities like Baltimore, Philadelphia, or Detroit is because of the efforts of REPUBLICAN mayor Rudy Guiliani.

The fact that the GOP is not mentioning this every chance it gets is in turns mystifying and infuriating.

The GOP never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 12:28 PM (mFWK9)

368 It's not a swap swap.

Posted by: Whoopi Cushion at January 16, 2016 12:28 PM (FkBIv)

369 Fredo will visit Iran before this is all done?

And Cuba.

My G-D what's next visit Raqa?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 12:28 PM (gf8BH)

370 I swear Shep is comming in his pants

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 12:29 PM (gf8BH)

371 369 Fredo will visit Iran before this is all done?

And Cuba.

My G-D what's next visit Raqa

Well He doesn't have much time left for sight seeing...

Posted by: donna at January 16, 2016 12:29 PM (/dSsq)

372 I doubt there are many folks outside of NYC that have a really high opinion of NYC.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2016 12:20 PM (bZ7mE)


There are NYers (many on this board) who do not have a high opinion of NYC, including those who live here, like myself.

Posted by: RickZ at January 16, 2016 12:29 PM (Ix+HS)

373 but if Cruz Obama is a natural born citizen then the term no
longer has any practical meaning other than at least one parent is an
American citizen and the circumstances of your place of birth and
upbringing have no bearing.

Fixed.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 16, 2016 12:29 PM (5buP8)

374 Iran is playing us for suckers

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 12:29 PM (gf8BH)

375 BB, I like your cabinet picks. Rand Paul as Treasury Sec. would keep things interesting! And Mark Levin at DoJ - inspired!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 12:30 PM (NOIQH)

376 German trannies stoned by... guess who?

https://t.co/vt3pBzArRG


Bet you anything these two idiots voted for Merkel.

Looks like 'Caitlyn' is pretty wise not to vote Democrat.

Posted by: angela urkel at January 16, 2016 12:30 PM (GKF1b)

377 Iran is playing us for suckers

Like that's hard?

Posted by: donna at January 16, 2016 12:30 PM (/dSsq)

378 "Thank you, True Conservatives, for being nice guys and handing the Mocha Messiah the tools he needed to destroy the nation."

They're traitors. Treason is the unspoken policy of the Republican party.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at January 16, 2016 12:30 PM (u5gzz)

379 Oh. and apples. Fracking apples is big business here in NY State.

Posted by: RickZ at January 16, 2016 12:26 PM (Ix+HS)


Sorry... was not clear...

New York CITY... not State...

Hell.... New York... couldn't even be original enough to come up with different names for City and State...

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 12:31 PM (f7rv6)

380 Posted by: logprof, 2-time AoSHQ fantasy league champ at January 16, 2016 12:26 PM (vsbNu)

Yes. it will be either a slapdash, crappy, contentless piece of shit from me, or a great post filled with hot chicks and intriguing content from NDH.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 16, 2016 12:31 PM (Zu3d9)

381 I still think the comment upthread about NYC is the best.

(Paraphrasing): I'll respect NYC values when they start respecting my values.

Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2016 12:31 PM (Fmupd)

382 @373

That's true as well.

Questions about Obama's citizenship were raised, in fact, it was Donald Trump who got him to release that forged birth certificate.


Posted by: Kreplach at January 16, 2016 12:32 PM (WVvzl)

383 Not according to Reuter's poll reporting that 25% of republicans don't think Cruz is qualified based on birth.
Posted by: rrpjr at January 16, 2016 11:40 AM (s/yC1)


I do love push polls. They brighten the season up, the political version of curtain swags. And they give the pundits so much to talk about too.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 16, 2016 12:32 PM (q2o38)

384 374 Iran is playing us for suckers

No. This is Val-Jar following through on her promise, or paying off an illegal campaign contribution. It's her golden parachute. They're flying billions of dollars in gold to Iran as I type. It makes me sick.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 16, 2016 12:33 PM (5buP8)

385 but if Cruz is a natural born citizen then the term no
longer has any practical meaning other than at least one parent is an
American citizen and the circumstances of your place of birth and
upbringing have no bearing.
Posted by: Kreplach

______________________

+1

Under the "new" definition, someone could never step foot in the US their entire life and become President

I'm sure that's what the Founder's intended

Posted by: Klipsch at January 16, 2016 12:33 PM (A3kYV)

386 Yes. it will be either a slapdash, crappy, contentless piece of shit from me, or a great post filled with hot chicks and intriguing content from NDH.........

Save us NDH, you're are only hope.

Posted by: tbodie at January 16, 2016 12:33 PM (7OF+y)

387
I think I'm going Ouagadougou
That's really, really where I'm going to
If I ever get out of here
That's what I'm gonna do
Ouga-ouga-ouga Ouagadougo
I think that's really where I'm going to go
If I ever get out of here
I'm going to Ouagadougo

Posted by: Bob Seger at January 16, 2016 12:34 PM (n22zQ)

388 375 BB, I like your cabinet picks. Rand Paul as Treasury Sec. would keep things interesting! And Mark Levin at DoJ - inspired!
Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 12:30 PM (NOIQH)



------------------


I want Mark Levin in the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2016 12:35 PM (Fmupd)

389 Sorry... was not clear...

New York CITY... not State...

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 12:31 PM (f7rv6)


So 'creating Constitution hating asshole politicians' is still a good answer?

Posted by: RickZ at January 16, 2016 12:36 PM (Ix+HS)

390 Oldest son deploys on Wednesday with the Stennis group. They are all laughing at the green fleet nonsense.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 16, 2016 12:36 PM (kTF2Z)

391 You're are.....

*Hangs head in shame*

Posted by: tbodie at January 16, 2016 12:36 PM (7OF+y)

392 I want Mark Levin in the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Soona


Imagine the confirmation hearing!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 16, 2016 12:36 PM (FkBIv)

393 BB, I like your cabinet picks. Rand Paul as Treasury Sec. would keep things interesting! And Mark Levin at DoJ - inspired!

I can't take credit for that, but I can sure agree with it.

There are many good, common sense reasons for paring Fedzilla down to size that the GOPe absolutely refuse to even mention. Why they don't is a mystery to me. Number One is the massive amount of debt that the Prog/Coms in DC have placed upon our backs and the Number Two is the Constitutional that places limits on what the federal government can do.

They could very easily point out the direct relationship between the size of the federal gubmint and the worsening economy, but even that simple factoid seems to be beyond them.

#WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 16, 2016 12:37 PM (LUgeY)

394 I want Mark Levin in the Supreme Court.

Press Secretary would work too:
"Shuddup you dope! Next question..."

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 16, 2016 12:37 PM (5buP8)

395
The intro is going through my head. Will someone please come here and hit me with a bat. Maybe that will help.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 16, 2016 11:48 AM (Zu3d9)


Go listen to Dave Ramsey past episodes. That should knock it out. By repetition.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 16, 2016 12:37 PM (q2o38)

396 It looks like the Mossad has some work to do.

President Cruz can encourage Interpol to ignore Kerry's phone malfunction.

Posted by: DaveA at January 16, 2016 12:37 PM (DL2i+)

397 Oldest son deploys on Wednesday with the Stennis group. They are all laughing at the green fleet nonsense.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 16, 2016 12:36 PM (kTF2Z)

Well at least their "heads" work unlike the Ford's

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 12:38 PM (gf8BH)

398 The Canada issue is there peeling off votes in Iowa and isn't going away.



Not according to Reuter's poll reporting that 25% of republicans don't think Cruz is qualified based on birth.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 16, 2016 11:40 AM (s/yC1)

I doubt that - Cruz is probably as qualified to be Prime Minister of Canada as Obama is to be President of the US - was qualified until he renounced citizenship on the campaign trail.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 16, 2016 12:38 PM (T78UI)

399 What are the legit criticisms of Cruz? I see a lot of ad hominem attacks but objectively I'm not seeing much downside at the moment. The RCP polls are actually giving me some belief that there could be an America after this year.


1) He voted for the Corker amendment. Whether or not this is a big deal depends on whether you consider the Corker amendment as a bit of "fail theater" (as it was initially taken) or as a good-faith attempt to stop something that couldn't have been stopped via a treaty vote. Note that one can disagree on the merits of the bill itself without assuming that it was a deliberate attempt to deceive.

2) He is favor, or at least was, of increasing the numbers of H1B visas while closing the border and deporting illegals. Whether that is a problem depends on whether you are interested in stopping ALL immigration or are just worried about illegals.

3) He voted for a bill that allowed the TPP to come up for a vote and then missed the vote for the TPP (which would have passed either way, IIRC.) He claims he was mislead by McConnell in some way regarding this, don't know the details.

4) Some people don't like his speaking manner.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2016 12:38 PM (bZ7mE)

400 Ted Cruz is my least favorite! For President. I could see him actually on the Supreme Court. That'd be great. But listening to him speak is torture.

But whatever. If it's Cruz, it's Cruz.

Hillary Clinton must be retired.

Posted by: petunia at January 16, 2016 12:39 PM (VoCyE)

401 "There are many good, common sense reasons for paring Fedzilla down to size that the GOPe absolutely refuse to even mention. Why they don't is a mystery to me."

It's not complicated. They're traitors. They love the coming totalitarian state every bit as much as the progs do.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at January 16, 2016 12:39 PM (u5gzz)

402 And damn, do I ever need moar coffee.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 16, 2016 12:40 PM (LUgeY)

403 Thank you, BackwardsBoy, for your prescient picks.

I would add:

Treasury - Rand Paul (like Lizzy, I think it would be an inspired choice)
Commerce - for dismantling, Rick Perry (who has done an amazing job of consolidating Texas as an economic engine)
Education - for dismantling
Energy - for dismantling

Homeland Security should be dismantled but I don't have anyone for that right now.

Patterico has a series about modern economic theory going on right now, so maybe ask him?

Too bad Sowell is so old, he would be good at Treasury as well.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 16, 2016 12:40 PM (MIKMs)

404 want Mark Levin in the Supreme Court.

Press Secretary would work too:
"Shuddup you dope! Next question..."
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 16, 2016 12:37 PM (5buP


-------------


"John Roberts is a mincing Nancy-boy. There! I said it"!

Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2016 12:41 PM (Fmupd)

405 Obama is supposed to come out and pat himself on the back over all this crap this afternoon.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 16, 2016 12:41 PM (FkBIv)

406 I realize folks who comment here and on twitter are going into overdrive about this but has it moved the scales for Cruz? Any new polls out in Iowa, NH, SC indicating folks are paying attention to this? Not being snarky, I am just wondering. For me personally, living in CA, I don't really care coz I think CA voters have actually worst values than New Yorkers. And though I realize the libs do it all the time, I am not a fan of anyone playing divisive politics.

Posted by: IC at January 16, 2016 12:41 PM (+3RH+)

407 Can you believe that slimy lawyer Cruz quoting our own words and deeds back to us?!1!? Is there no depth to which he will not stoop?

Posted by: The Dems at January 16, 2016 12:41 PM (GKF1b)

408 BB Wolf: Hell.... New York... couldn't even be original enough to come up with different names for City and State...

Oklahoma (City) and Kansas (City) (although mostly it's in Missouri) blush, Jersey City would if it were New, and Virginia City (Nevada) and Michigan City (Indiana) just act confused.

Texarkana has divided feelings.

Posted by: mindful webworker - geo graphically at January 16, 2016 12:42 PM (PG1FL)

409 373 but if Cruz Obama is a natural born citizen then the term no
longer has any practical meaning other than at least one parent is an
American citizen and the circumstances of your place of birth and
upbringing have no bearing.

Fixed.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 16, 2016 12:29 PM (5buP

I note... that under the laws written by the guys who Created the Constitution.

Cruz would not even be a US Citizen... as he was born in Canada, and his Father was not a US Citizen.

It was not until CONGRESS changed the Law in 1952 to include Mothers that he would even have been a US Citizen at all.

Thus, he is a Citizen by Act of Congress.... NOT Natural Law.

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 12:43 PM (f7rv6)

410 400 Ted Cruz is my least favorite! For President.

Posted by: petunia at January 16, 2016 12:39 PM (VoCyE)


your least favorite? Out of whom? Kay-sick? Yeb!? Crispy Creme?


Tepid Gas much?

Posted by: Marybeth in Florida at January 16, 2016 12:43 PM (7egrg)

411 The Canada issue is there peeling off votes in Iowa and isn't going away.



Not according to Reuter's poll reporting that 25% of republicans don't think Cruz is qualified based on birth.

Posted by: rrpjr

______________

Very few people truly think a Court will make him ineligible, but i do think it really hurts Cruz because Americans don't like the idea of a foreign born President

We've never had a President born on foreign soil

And it took Cruz until 2014 to no longer be a Canadian citizen, after he was a US Senator? WTF? Are you a "citizen of the world"?

Posted by: Klipsch at January 16, 2016 12:44 PM (A3kYV)

412 401 "There are many good, common sense reasons for paring Fedzilla down to size that the GOPe absolutely refuse to even mention. Why they don't is a mystery to me."

Mystery solved:
"Nancy Pelosi requests your presence at a cocktail reception honoring Cecile Richards and her ground breaking work for womens health. 5:30 O'clock at Georgetown Arms. Regrets only."

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 16, 2016 12:44 PM (5buP8)

413 Too bad Sowell is so old, he would be good at Treasury as well.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 16, 2016 12:40 PM (MIKMs)

They could just give him the keys to the Lincoln Bedroom and tell him he can pop in/out whenever he wants to give his opinion on anything.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 16, 2016 12:45 PM (T78UI)

414 So no Obama Rose garden victory lap ala Bergdahl?

Posted by: donna at January 16, 2016 12:45 PM (/dSsq)

415 Taking shots at NYC for its mindless leftist population and its aggressive socialist mayor is reasonable. But try to know something about the city before you pontificate.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 16, 2016 12:45 PM (Zu3d9)

416 I mean seriously, how can someone who held dual citizenship be considered a natural born American citizen?

The mind boggles.

The whole fucking point of the natural born citizenship clause is to prevent someone with divided loyalties from becoming President.

Dual citizenship is ipso facto divided loyalties.

I mean seriously.


Posted by: Kreplach at January 16, 2016 12:45 PM (WVvzl)

417 Texarkana has divided feelings.
Posted by: mindful webworker - geo graphically


How does Indiana, Pennsylvania feel?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 16, 2016 12:45 PM (FkBIv)

418 Koch, Dinkins, Giuliani, Bloomberg, De Blasio can all go fuck a duck and leave the rest of us alone.
Bunch of looters voted in by moochers.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 16, 2016 12:24 PM (ej1L0)


Putting Rudy in there with that group is certainly not right. While I didn't support Rudy's run for President he is a great guy. Rudy was one of the only politicians in the country to tell Arafat and the pali scum to just fuck off. He told that Sheik from goatfuck to take his check and stuff it, after 9/11. He told the UN to not let the door hit them on the way out when they threatened to leave NY. All of these were very important public positions that you would be hard-pressed to find other politicians - anywhere - who made and it's a real shame that we couldn't get more to adopt these attitudes.

Rudy is a quality guy. He has some views that keep me from supporting him for the White House but he has many positions that others would do well to follow and he is a mensch.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 16, 2016 12:46 PM (zc3Db)

419 Oh - just heard on CNN that the hostage swap(?) with Iran was initiated as a side deal in the nuclear talks... sure.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 16, 2016 12:46 PM (T78UI)

420 I would add:

Treasury - Rand Paul (like Lizzy, I think it would be an inspired choice)
Commerce - for dismantling, Rick Perry (who has done an amazing job of consolidating Texas as an economic engine)
Education - for dismantling
Energy - for dismantling

Homeland Security should be dismantled but I don't have anyone for that right now.

Patterico has a series about modern economic theory going on right now, so maybe ask him?

Too bad Sowell is so old, he would be good at Treasury as well.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 16, 2016 12:40 PM (MIKMs)


If she hasn't been tagged yet...

Sarah Palin: Dept. of the Interior... with the Mandate to give as Federal land back to the States as possible...

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 12:46 PM (f7rv6)

421
Any new polls out in Iowa, NH, SC indicating folks are paying attention to this? Not being snarky, I am just wondering.
Posted by: IC


Dubious internet Instapolls aside, I'm looking at you Drudge, it usually takes at least a week to poll, crunch and publish.

This week's events are in this weekend's polling and will show up towards the end of next week.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 12:47 PM (kdS6q)

422 Dual citizenship is ipso facto divided loyalties.


Was TFP a citizen of Indonesia when he lived there in his youth?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 16, 2016 12:47 PM (LUgeY)

423 Can you believe that slimy lawyer Cruz quoting our own words and deeds back to us?!1!? Is there no depth to which he will not stoop?

Posted by: The Dems at January 16, 2016 12:41 PM (GKF1b)


That part of Trump's campaign/personality appears to have rubbed off on Cruz. Moving the Overton Window one quote at a time.

Posted by: RickZ at January 16, 2016 12:47 PM (Ix+HS)

424 So no Obama Rose garden victory lap ala Bergdahl?

So he'll do that later... I can't help think this has something to do with Our Sailors "capture" last week....Tin foil hat I know...

Posted by: donna at January 16, 2016 12:47 PM (/dSsq)

425 If y'all haven't already done so, Greg Abbot's "Texas Plan" calling for an Article V convention is a damn good read, no matter where you stand on Article V conventions.

Posted by: Damiano at January 16, 2016 12:48 PM (XItbt)

426 The whole fucking point of the natural born citizenship clause is to prevent someone with divided loyalties from becoming President.

Dual citizenship is ipso facto divided loyalties.

I mean seriously.




Posted by: Kreplach at January 16, 2016 12:45 PM (WVvzl)

We live in the age of legal sophistry.... where intent is meaningless.

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 12:48 PM (f7rv6)

427
We've never had a President born on foreign soil
Posted by: Klipsch



:Ninja:

Posted by: Chester A Arthur



Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 12:48 PM (kdS6q)

428 Thus, he is a Citizen by Act of Congress.... NOT Natural Law.

Kind of hard to appeal to Natural Law, since it isn't written down...Given that the modern Nation-State is not itself a natural institution, I can't see that it even has any bearing on the issue.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2016 12:48 PM (bZ7mE)

429 422 Dual citizenship is ipso facto divided loyalties.


Was TFP a citizen of Indonesia when he lived there in his youth?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 16, 2016 12:47 PM (LUgeY)


Yes.... he was legally adopted there... and thus a citizen...

Thus, the Wisdom of the Founders is proven...

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 12:49 PM (f7rv6)

430 And it took Cruz until 2014 to no longer be a
Canadian citizen, after he was a US Senator? WTF? Are you a "citizen
of the world"?

Posted by: Klipsch at January 16, 2016 12:44 PM (A3kYV)

Most, maybe 'many', Americans implicitly accept socialism and transnationalism and assume it is and always has been the way.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 16, 2016 12:49 PM (T78UI)

431 had to turn FOX off after shep came for the third time mentioning Fredo's name. Now watching Animal House...Feeling much much better

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 12:50 PM (gf8BH)

432 >>I want Mark Levin in the Supreme Court.

Oh, me, too! But he could clean out the DoJ whilst waiting for a SCOTUS opening....

How about this for WH Spokesman: Ben Shapiro?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 12:50 PM (NOIQH)

433 Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2016 12:50 PM (gf8BH)

Good movie!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 16, 2016 12:51 PM (Zu3d9)

434 432 >>I want Mark Levin in the Supreme Court.

Oh, me, too! But he could clean out the DoJ whilst waiting for a SCOTUS opening....

How about this for WH Spokesman: Ben Shapiro?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 12:50 PM (NOIQH)

If Hillary! is elected can You imagine Her cabinet? I mean other that Her liquor

Posted by: donna at January 16, 2016 12:51 PM (/dSsq)

435 Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2016 12:48 PM (bZ7mE)

then originalist intent.

Under the rules of the Founders, he would not have been a citizen.... let alone President.

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 12:51 PM (f7rv6)

436 Yes.... he was legally adopted there... and thus a citizen...

Thus, the Wisdom of the Founders is proven...


That's what I thought.

Next question: when did TFP renounce his Indonesian citizenship?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 16, 2016 12:52 PM (LUgeY)

437 @422

The SCOAMF is not a natural born citizen and in my opinion not an American by birth, temperment, acclimation.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 16, 2016 12:52 PM (WVvzl)

438 Straight-up ampersand test in Chrome: &&&&&&&&

In case of an actual ampersand emergency, report to your nearest ampersand center.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at January 16, 2016 12:52 PM (dPpmC)

439 4) Some people don't like his speaking manner.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 16, 2016 12:38 PM (bZ7mE)


You forgot

5) he's no true Scotsman.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 16, 2016 12:52 PM (q2o38)

440 :Ninja:

Posted by: Chester A Arthur

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 12:48 PM (kdS6q)


Chester Arthur was NOT foreign born. His father was not an American at the time of Arthur's birth so Arthur figured - correctly - that he wasn't a natural born citizen and, therefore, hid all of his documentation and was very secretive about his circumstances. This led people to surmise that he had been born in Canada - to assume that THAT was what Arthur was hiding - but it wasn't true. Arthur was born in the US. It was his father's lack of citizenship at the time of Arthur's birth that he was hiding.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 16, 2016 12:53 PM (zc3Db)

441 We've never had a President born on foreign soil
Posted by: Klipsch



:Ninja:

Posted by: Chester A Arthur

????????

Chester Arthur was born in Vermont

Posted by: Klipsch at January 16, 2016 12:53 PM (A3kYV)

442 on the apprentice.....trump would become deliberately dense at times....he would fire the wrong person....by not paying attention to the facts presented to him...that's what it appears like he's doing right now with his attacks on cruz.....the birther issue, the faux failure to disclose a loan issue and the ny values issue.....

this is the side of trump that i can't stand...he's doesn't have my vote in the primary anyway.....but this behavior makes it difficult for me to vote for him if he's the candidate.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 16, 2016 12:53 PM (0O7c5)

443 If Hillary! is elected can You imagine Her cabinet? I mean other that Her liquor

Posted by: donna at January 16, 2016 12:51 PM (/dSsq)


Huma never touched her!

Posted by: Carlos Danger at January 16, 2016 12:53 PM (Ix+HS)

444 If y'all haven't already done so, Greg Abbot's "Texas Plan" calling for an Article V convention is a damn good read, no matter where you stand on Article V conventions.
Posted by: Damiano at January 16, 2016 12:48 PM (XItbt)

Article V. you say? Come on, the only part of the Constitution that is important right now is the umpteenth fucking interpretation of what Natural Born Citizen means.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 16, 2016 12:54 PM (UnJ7w)

445 >>Too bad Sowell is so old, he would be good at Treasury as well.

Sowell is a national treasure.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 16, 2016 12:54 PM (NOIQH)

446 I mean seriously, how can someone who held dual citizenship be considered a natural born American citizen?

The mind boggles.

The whole fucking point of the natural born citizenship clause is to prevent someone with divided loyalties from becoming President.

Dual citizenship is ipso facto divided loyalties.

I mean seriously.


Posted by: Kreplach


Not enough has been made about the dual citizen problem for Cruz

To me its a textbook case of what the Constitution was trying to prevent in our Presidents

Posted by: Klipsch at January 16, 2016 12:54 PM (A3kYV)

447
Texarkana has divided feelings.
Posted by: mindful webworker - geo graphically

How does Indiana, Pennsylvania feel?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 16, 2016 12:45 PM (FkBIv)

Word......

Paris, Texas

Posted by: tbodie at January 16, 2016 12:55 PM (7OF+y)

448 Dual citizenship is ipso facto divided loyalties.

Good thing Cruz isn't a dual citizen, then.

Posted by: keep on derpin' at January 16, 2016 12:55 PM (dbDB8)

449
Paris, Texas

Posted by: tbodie at January 16, 2016 12:55 PM (7OF+y)
pittsburgh, california

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 16, 2016 12:56 PM (0O7c5)

450
What are the legit criticisms of Cruz?
Posted by: 0302


As of the moment:

1. Another Harvard Law Ivy educated pol who has essentially never held a non-political job.

2. Soft on immigration

2a. Literally handing out teddy bears at the border to Los Illegals

3. Uhhh -- I forget

4. Utter pants work ethic for the job he has. Rubio level of doing something else benefiting himself, when he should be working for you

5. The Canadian issue is a thing

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 12:56 PM (kdS6q)

451 410 400 Ted Cruz is my least favorite! For President.

Posted by: petunia at January 16, 2016 12:39 PM (VoCyE)


your least favorite? Out of whom? Kay-sick? Yeb!? Crispy Creme?


Tepid Gas much?

Posted by: Marybeth in Florida at January 16, 2016 12:43 PM (7egrg)


Petunia rubs one out every night fantasizing that Romney will get in again.

Posted by: buzzion at January 16, 2016 12:57 PM (zt+N6)

452 Article V. you say? Come on, the only part of the
Constitution that is important right now is the umpteenth fucking
interpretation of what Natural Born Citizen means.
Posted by: Arson Wells at January 16, 2016 12:54 PM (UnJ7w)


See, this is why, no matter how pissed I get, I never leave permanently.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 16, 2016 12:57 PM (q2o38)

453 438: Do not fear an ampersand emergency. I have us all covered.

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

Posted by: Donna &&&&V. (Brandishing ampersands) at January 16, 2016 12:57 PM (P8951)

454 On citizenship, I tend to the Jewish view that your faith and loyalty comes from the mother. You may love and honor your father, but your mother is your only guaranteed parent.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 16, 2016 12:57 PM (MIKMs)

455 Word......

Paris, Texas


Rome, Georgia.

Lebanon, Tennessee.

Intercourse, Alabama. Oh, wait...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 16, 2016 12:57 PM (LUgeY)

456 Paris, Texas

Posted by: tbodie at January 16, 2016 12:55 PM (7OF+y)
pittsburgh, california

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 16, 2016 12:56 PM (0O7c5)


Then you have dual citizenship cities like Vienna, Virginia.

Posted by: Carlos Danger at January 16, 2016 12:57 PM (Ix+HS)

457 petunia smells like catpiss

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 16, 2016 12:57 PM (0O7c5)

458 430 And it took Cruz until 2014 to no longer be a
Canadian citizen, after he was a US Senator? WTF? Are you a "citizen
of the world"?

Posted by: Klipsch at January 16, 2016 12:44 PM (A3kYV)

Most, maybe 'many', Americans implicitly accept socialism and transnationalism and assume it is and always has been the way.


Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 16, 2016 12:49 PM (T78UI)


It was not until 1965 that the US recognized dual citizenship at all.... and then it was done by the Supreme Court, not the Congress .....

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 12:58 PM (f7rv6)

459 Good lord, that "Dry Ice Makes Terrifying Sound" link in the sidebar really is terrifying.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at January 16, 2016 12:58 PM (dPpmC)

460 However, the stupid here has reached toxic levels today.

Ciao

Posted by: Kindltot at January 16, 2016 12:59 PM (q2o38)

461
:Ninja:
Posted by: Chester A Arthur

Chester Arthur was born in Vermont
Posted by: Klipsch




:Ninja:
Posted by: Chester A Arthur

Google a bit. Keyword: Canada

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 12:59 PM (kdS6q)

462 Yes.... he was legally adopted there... and thus a citizen...

That's is not known. We assume that Barky became an Indonesian citizen (since it seems to have been required that he be one to attend one of the schools he did) but no actual evidence of any of this has ever been seen - other than the school registry and the idea that one had to have Indonesian citizenship to be at that school. Also, we have no paperwork, whatsoever, regarding his adoption in his papers, here ... mostly because we've never seen any of his actual papers from here.

Thus, the Wisdom of the Founders is proven...

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 12:49 PM (f7rv6)


Barky wasn't a natural born citizen as his father wasn't American - his real father, the polygamous drunk - so the Founders wisdom was certainly proven in that.

But you are totally correct in that someone raised in a foreign land with no American sensibilities is exactly the sort of person the Founders were looking to bar from the Presidency. They put the Natural Born Citizen clause in exactly for people like Barky, and we have all seen the evidence of how brilliant they were.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 16, 2016 12:59 PM (zc3Db)

463 Ted Cruz drives a dually?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 16, 2016 12:59 PM (ptqRm)

464 "455 Word...... Paris, Texas Rome, Georgia. Lebanon, Tennessee. Intercourse, Alabama. Oh, wait..."

I have it on good authority that Arab, AL is not a hotbed of jihadi sentiment.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at January 16, 2016 01:00 PM (u5gzz)

465 I'm not thrilled at any of these candidates.... That being said I will vote for The Republican nominee unless it is Jeb! I draw the line there...

Posted by: donna at January 16, 2016 01:00 PM (/dSsq)

466 Posted by: Kindltot at January 16, 2016 12:59 PM (q2o3

Wish you were here!

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 16, 2016 01:00 PM (UnJ7w)

467 Y-not, and those damn NOODs!!!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 16, 2016 01:01 PM (ptqRm)

468 petunia = Begonia maybe?

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 01:02 PM (mFWK9)

469 On Cruz's Canadian deal:

It took countless lawsuits and several years after being elected for the last person *cough* that got elected to the Presidency to produce a birth certificate.

Since we're already ignoring every other part of the Constitution and, in recent years, have been doing cartwheels around the "natural born citizen" requirements for several people, honestly, I don't give a damn anymore.

Normally, I stand on principle but I feel like I am the only one anymore. So screw it. Even if Cruz was the child of Martians and born in Zimbabwe, he acts more American than anyone in elected office for the past several decades.

Posted by: Damiano at January 16, 2016 01:03 PM (XItbt)

470
436 Yes.... he was legally adopted there... and thus a citizen...

Thus, the Wisdom of the Founders is proven...

That's what I thought.

Next question: when did TFP renounce his Indonesian citizenship?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 16, 2016 12:52 PM (LUgeY)


The stronger case is that his Father was a Brit Commonwealth Citizen at the time of his birth (at least the Father on the birth cert)...

Ergo... he is by British Law a Citizen of Britain... which as far as I know he has never relinquished that citizenship either...

But he sealed all those records when he became Precedent...

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 01:03 PM (f7rv6)

471 Texarkana has divided feelings.
Posted by: mindful webworker - geo graphically

How does Indiana, Pennsylvania feel?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 16, 2016 12:45 PM


Just like Michigan City, Indiana, I 'spose

Posted by: AltonJackson at January 16, 2016 01:03 PM (KCxzN)

472 How come Kenneth Bianchi is still alive? He shd have died a long time ago. I dont find much about him on the internet but I am sure he has a bevy of bimbos writing him and sending him money.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 16, 2016 01:03 PM (iQIUe)

473 468 petunia = Begonia maybe?


Posted by: OregonMuse at January 16, 2016 01:02 PM (mFWK9)



Petunia was around for the 2012 election. I figure Begonia is a bit of a cheap sock attempting to imitate their moderate GOPe-ness.

Posted by: buzzion at January 16, 2016 01:04 PM (zt+N6)

474 I do not welcome these Americans back from Iran. They're no countrymen of mine. My countrymen don't visit out most intractable enemy like tourists and allow themselves to be turned into political pawns. I would have left them to rot. Iran WILL detain another few Americans within the next year. Guaran-fucking-teed. Then what will we give them?

Posted by: Naes at January 16, 2016 01:05 PM (Ypc8j)

475 457: yes, I smell catpiss too. The same passive-aggressive bs. No wonder she luvs her some Yeb!

BTW, on the latest podcast, ace and the cobs have a field day mocking Jeb's gamma male responses. Most entertaining part of the podcast, it was.

Posted by: Donna &&&&V. (Brandishing ampersands) at January 16, 2016 01:05 PM (P8951)

476 5. The Canadian issue is a thing


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 12:56 PM (kdS6q)

6. Up big finance/banking ass to his ankles

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 16, 2016 01:05 PM (T78UI)

477 Ah, primary season at the HQ where it's "my guy is the only one who can (fill in the blank) and if you disagree then you're a giant poopy head who hates the US. Probably hate puppies and apple pie too!"

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 16, 2016 01:06 PM (kTF2Z)

478 470
436 Yes.... he was legally adopted there... and thus a citizen...

Thus, the Wisdom of the Founders is proven...

That's what I thought.

Next question: when did TFP renounce his Indonesian citizenship?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 16, 2016 12:52 PM (LUgeY)


The stronger case is that his Father was a Brit Commonwealth Citizen at the time of his birth (at least the Father on the birth cert)...

Ergo... he is by British Law a Citizen of Britain... which as far as I know he has never relinquished that citizenship either...

But he sealed all those records when he became Precedent...

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 01:03 PM (f7rv6)



Question/speculation.

The head of the UN cannot be from a member of the security council correct? So what if Obama still has his Indonesian citizenship? They're not a member of the security council.

Posted by: buzzion at January 16, 2016 01:07 PM (zt+N6)

479 Probably hate puppies and apple pie too!"

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 16, 2016 01:06 PM (kTF2Z)


Just cauliflower and broccoli.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 16, 2016 01:07 PM (zc3Db)

480 Palemoon Ampersand Test: &&&&&&

Posted by: olddog in mo at January 16, 2016 01:08 PM (c/3OG)

481 Will a puppy eat cauliflower?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 16, 2016 01:09 PM (FkBIv)

482 477 Ah, primary season at the HQ where it's "my guy is the only one who can (fill in the blank) and if you disagree then you're a giant poopy head who hates the US. Probably hate puppies and apple pie too!"

What You so humorously said...

Posted by: donna at January 16, 2016 01:09 PM (/dSsq)

483 It was not until 1965 that the US recognized dual
citizenship at all.... and then it was done by the Supreme Court, not
the Congress .....

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 12:58 PM (f7rv6)

I thought the 19th Amendment got that ball rolling (needing to record and preserve women's status as US Citizens to maintain their voting rights if they married a foreign national).

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 16, 2016 01:09 PM (T78UI)

484 Just cauliflower and broccoli

-----------

RINO!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 16, 2016 01:09 PM (kTF2Z)

485 I'm not thrilled at any of these candidates.... That being said I will vote for The Republican nominee unless it is Jeb! I draw the line there...

Posted by: donna at January 16, 2016 01:00 PM (/dSsq)

Whether you agree with Cruz 100% or not, if that "apology" doesn't show you he has the drive to take the scum on, and beat them, well then there's not much else we can do for you.

Posted by: Blano at January 16, 2016 01:10 PM (C3E0x)

486 Ergo... he is by British Law a Citizen of Britain... which as far as I know he has never relinquished that citizenship either...

That would ahve changed to Kenyan citizenship when they got their independence.

But he sealed all those records when he became Precedent...

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 01:03 PM (f7rv6)


And we've never seen hide nor hair of any official documentation on him. Even his mother's passport records that were requested (in a FOIA, I think) were "destroyed in a fire" per the State department. Yep.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 16, 2016 01:10 PM (zc3Db)

487 Michelle Bachmann had dual Swiss/U.S. citizenship while she was in Congress. Why is that a problem to anyone?

Or, is it just a good knockdown tool to pummel Trump's only serious rival, perhaps?

Most of the birther volk are concern trolls for the Trump cult's zany champion.

Posted by: mnw at January 16, 2016 01:11 PM (rZD6k)

488 Normally, I stand on principle but I feel like I am the only one anymore. So screw it. Even if Cruz was the child of Martians and born in Zimbabwe, he acts more American than anyone in elected office for the past several decades.

Posted by: Damiano at January 16, 2016 01:03 PM (XItbt)

^^^^THIS

Fuck the liberal scum. We might have to play the game their way once in a while. I'm at the point where If it playing the scum's game destroys them, I'm good with it.

Posted by: Blano at January 16, 2016 01:12 PM (C3E0x)

489 Will a puppy eat cauliflower?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 16, 2016 01:09 PM (FkBIv)


A puppy will eat its own shit ... but it won't touch cauliflower.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 16, 2016 01:12 PM (zc3Db)

490
Since we're already ignoring every other part of the Constitution and, in recent years, have been doing cartwheels around the "natural born citizen" requirements for several people, honestly, I don't give a damn anymore.
Posted by: Damiano



There are two issues matryoshka doll'd up in that topic for Cruz.

First is the factual issue of his eligibility and Constitutional Originalism -- which is a pretty big conservative thing..

The second is how the issue makes Cruz vulnerable to political attacks, as well as legal challenges to his being on state ballots and a possible federal level challenge to his electoral votes.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 01:13 PM (kdS6q)

491 Romney's dad was born in Mexico to American parents and ran for president, but didn't get far enough to be challenged I guess. Or no one cared.

Mark Steyn (born in Canada to a non Canadian parent) doesn't think it is as straight forward as Ted makes it. Steyn likes Cruz, but has been very favorable toward Trump.

steynonline.com

Cruz would likely be found eligible, but he still loses some voters as they are finding out just now, that he was born in Canada and had dual citizenship till a year ago. So even if courts don't care, the people might care about the original intent.

One version I read made Obama illegal because his Father was not a citizen, and it was the father that determined eligibility, or even citizenship I think. Hopefully the "subject to the powers" of the 14th amendment relate to history showing if parents were foreign, being birthed on American soil does not make the babies anchor babies.

Only a statute did that (hopefully), so a statute alone could undo it, without changing the amendment. Cruz said he thought the amendment would have to be changed ... but I wonder if that relates to his position on his eligibility for president.

Posted by: Illiniwek at January 16, 2016 01:14 PM (5Gpe2)

492 The stronger case is that his Father was a Brit
Commonwealth Citizen at the time of his birth (at least the Father on
the birth cert)...



Ergo... he is by British Law a Citizen of Britain... which as far as I know he has never relinquished that citizenship either...



But he sealed all those records when he became Precedent...

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 01:03 PM (f7rv6)

His British (and subsequent Kenya) birthright timed out as he never exercised it by moving to Kenya in time.
US has similar deadlines for foreign-born citizens (whether anyone believes them to be NBC or naturalized). If momma doesn't document the birth abroad the clock will run out.
Not to be supportive of TFG...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 16, 2016 01:16 PM (T78UI)

493 Sure challenge his eligibility in court. No one will have standing. If in the unlikely event such a case is heard, he'll win easily.

Posted by: Naes at January 16, 2016 01:16 PM (Ypc8j)

494 If y'all haven't already done so, Greg Abbot's "Texas Plan" calling for an Article V convention is a damn good read, no matter where you stand on Article V conventions.
Posted by: Damiano at January 16, 2016 12:48 PM (XItbt)

Article V. you say? Come on, the only part of the Constitution that is important right now is the umpteenth fucking interpretation of what Natural Born Citizen means.

Posted by: Arson Wells at January 16, 2016 12:54 PM (UnJ7w)

I'm gonna say it 'til I'm blue in the face: Article V is a nice idea, but unworkable.

Look at how long it takes to get to that point? Events are happening in warp drive now.

And even if there is a Convention, rest assured the scum will divert, subvert, challenge, reject, sue the thing into either oblivion or irrelevance.

Any process will take decades. We have only X number of years to fight the liberal scum until their power grab is complete.

By all means Article V lovers and advocates of peaceful solutions, keep working on it. Those of us who accept reality will just arm ourselves to the teeth. It won't be long before we find out who's right.

Posted by: Blano at January 16, 2016 01:17 PM (C3E0x)

495 BB Wolf -- Yeah, Palin as Interior was mentioned way upthread. Aaaand in backwards boy's fantasy cabinet as well?

I have had to change computers twice this am. AT&T is giving me fits today, so sorry if I am late or missing responses to anyone.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 16, 2016 01:17 PM (MIKMs)

496 In before everybody gets all tribal and butthurt?

Dammit! Then I just go with Patriots and Cardinals. BOOM!

Posted by: Fritz at January 16, 2016 01:18 PM (BngQR)

497 495 BB Wolf -- Yeah, Palin as Interior was mentioned way upthread. Aaaand in backwards boy's fantasy cabinet as well?

Will she quit her position after two years in order to make more money?

Posted by: Naes at January 16, 2016 01:19 PM (Ypc8j)

498
Michelle Bachmann had dual Swiss/U.S. citizenship while she was in Congress. Why is that [not one assume] a problem to anyone?
Posted by: mnw



Because being in congress doesn't have a "natural born" test. The office of president does.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 01:19 PM (kdS6q)

499 @496 Dammit! Then I just go with Patriots and Cardinals. BOOM!


Posted by: Fritz at January 16, 2016 01:18 PM (BngQR)
Yes, and go Cards. I just want Larry Fitzgerald to wind at least one SB in his career.

Posted by: IC at January 16, 2016 01:20 PM (+3RH+)

500 Will she quit her position after two years in order to make more money?

I guess that depends on how many frivolous lawsuits are filed against her.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 16, 2016 01:21 PM (LUgeY)

501 487 Michelle Bachmann had dual Swiss/U.S. citizenship while she was in Congress. Why is that a problem to anyone?

Or, is it just a good knockdown tool to pummel Trump's only serious rival, perhaps?

Most of the birther volk are concern trolls for the Trump cult's zany champion.

Posted by: mnw at January 16, 2016 01:11 PM (rZD6k)


Sigh..... thinly veiled insult aside...

the only office that has the 'Natural Born' requirement is President....

It even gives a number of years you must be a citizen to be in Congress.... 7 and 9 years respectively...

Your ignorance is showing...

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 01:22 PM (f7rv6)

502 498
Yeah,it means you were born a full citizen. You weren't naturalized.

Posted by: Naes at January 16, 2016 01:23 PM (Ypc8j)

503 497 495 BB Wolf -- Yeah, Palin as Interior was mentioned way upthread. Aaaand in backwards boy's fantasy cabinet as well?

Will she quit her position after two years in order to make more money?

Posted by: Naes at January 16, 2016 01:19 PM (Ypc8j)


If she has given all the land back to the States IN those two years???

Who cares?

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 16, 2016 01:24 PM (f7rv6)

504
Kreplach (and others) - no, this is not that complicated and "dual citizenship" does not work the way you seem to state.

Every country has its own rules for citizenship. They don't vary that much, but there are some differences.

Most countries don't "allow" dual citizenship - which is usually an empty prohibition, since it's the *other* countries that get to determine that for themselves in each case, and there are no enforcement mechanisms. Other than requiring someone to revoke existing citizenship status in another country to gain the new one, there isn't really a way of policing this. And nobody really bothers to.

Thus, the US does not "allow" (meaning recognize in any formal way) dual citizenship - like most countries - but this doesn't have any effect on the huge number of people who effectively have dual citizenship because of connections to other countries who granted citizenship status to them.

There isn't any active/unresolved legal question about the citizenship of millions of people (by now) like Cruz, born overseas of at least oneUS parent (like the children of military and diplomatic personnel born outside the US). It wasn't really any real question with McCain, and it hasn't become one since that time.





Posted by: rhomboid at January 16, 2016 01:24 PM (QDnY+)

505 Because being in congress doesn't have a "natural born" test. The office of president does.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 01:19 PM (kdS6q)

That, and there is nothing in the Constitution that directly states that any elected position cannot be filled by someone with foreign citizenship (or two or three).

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 16, 2016 01:25 PM (T78UI)

506 Sure challenge his eligibility in court. No one will have standing.

Which is complete and utter bullshit. Every American should have standing to demand proof that someone is eligible for the Presidency. And it shouldn't even ever come to that because Secretaries of State are charged with making sure that their ballots only include people who are actually eligible for the positions before they are ever allowed on. But SecStates of the states are such pathetic idiots that a handful of states had a guy running for the Presidency on their ballots who wasn't even an American - not just not a natural born citizen but NOT A CITIZEN at all! And that happened over two Presidential elections (and was the basis for the NJ challenge to the ballots in 200.

If in the unlikely event such a case is heard, he'll win easily.

Posted by: Naes at January 16, 2016 01:16 PM (Ypc8j)


You are probably correct, here, which is the other silly part. There's little question that the courts (and the SCOTASS) would undoubtedly find that pretty much anyone on Earth is close enough to a "natural born citizen" to be able to run for the Presidency. Looking at how they decided in BarkyCare it's clear that this court wouldn't let anything get in the way of Barky's run. But still, they wouldn't allow any of the cases to go through even as there was zero risk of Barky being declared ineligible by this kangaroo court. They seemed to prefer keeping the chaos instead of just coming up with another of their retarded decisions - though fear of making their retarded "logic" part of the record has never kept the SCOTASS from doing such.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 16, 2016 01:25 PM (zc3Db)

507 OT a bit:

1) The Atlanta Fed revealed yesterday it's estimate of 4th quarter GDP fell to 0.6%.

Zero point six percent. Basically nothing.

2) JP Morgan Chase has now cut it's 4th quarter GDP estimate from 1.0% to 0.1%. Flat.

Nothing would be better than for the economy to collapse on O'PieceofShit's watch.

Posted by: Blano at January 16, 2016 01:26 PM (C3E0x)

508 A President Cruz will refuse to throw out ceremonial first pitches at baseball games, being more comfortable sending out the ceremonial opening rock for curling matches.

Posted by: can Cruz the Canadian candidate!!!eleventy!!! at January 16, 2016 01:30 PM (H9MG5)

509 Unless you were born in one of the six bellwether counties, you are obviously disqualified.

Posted by: Naes at January 16, 2016 01:32 PM (Ypc8j)

510
Sure challenge his eligibility in court. No one will have standing.
Posted by: Naes


If the court says they have standing, they will. And one does not bet on courts being objective and constitutional were republicans and nominal conservatives are concerned.

And while the challenges of Obama did fail on standing pretty consistently, anyone who was on the ballot agin' Cruz, as well as the Democratic party and their elected officials, would be a more serious threat of being given the high sign to sue.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 01:35 PM (kdS6q)

511 DT : So nice shot at New York Teddy! You're set up for my '9/11' defense was perfect, just like we practiced.

TC : No problem , sir. You did a nice job of popping the Progtard's bubble on the whole 'Canadian' thing. They can't argue that point without being seen quoting or agreeing with you...masterful!

DT : Thanks , Ted. Just stick with the plan =you win me the base and let me worry about New York voters.
In a few years , I will turn the keys over to you. You are going to be an outstanding VP!

TC : Brilliant , Don. What is on the agenda for next week?

DT : I will take a shot at your 'questionable loan'. I will make it sound like a big deal initially, and then I will drop it like a hot potato. Let the Proggies try to do something with it after I beat them to the punch.

TC : Good stuff...Mr. President!


/Trump-Cruz weekly conference call

Posted by: Mortimer at January 16, 2016 01:35 PM (7H74V)

512 Nothing would be better than for the economy to collapse on O'PieceofShit's watch.
Posted by: Blano


The Republicans are talking down the economy!
Sequester cuts still taking their toll!

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 16, 2016 01:38 PM (FkBIv)

513 The whole fucking point of the natural born citizenship clause is to
prevent someone with divided loyalties from becoming President.


Just because the Democrats have destroyed another principal underpinning the nation is no reason to nominate Rubio, Heb!, etc.

Posted by: DaveA at January 16, 2016 01:40 PM (DL2i+)

514 This is a yuuuuuge fail on the part of Pastor Ted. Why would he lump all the people of New York and associate them with the dominant liberal bent of NYC? Like Trump said, there are conservatives in NY. Although I have moved from NYC, I am one of them and for Pastor Ted to include me in that group is insulting. This is not the way to win an general election!!! What state and their values is next for Cruz to attack? Those here and on talk radio that think this is a great response are the reasons we lose elections. The "Stupid" party followed by some "Stupid" people here and in conservative media. Again, this is a LOSING strategy.

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 01:40 PM (3Sx0X)

515 Why would he lump all the people of New York and associate them with the dominant liberal bent of NYC?

Yeah. It is.
A mystery.


Daniel's concern status :

[ ] not noted

[x] noted

Posted by: Mortimer at January 16, 2016 01:44 PM (7H74V)

516 Begonia

is Average Joe - Volunteer Pole-Smoker and all around nuisance.

Posted by: DaveA at January 16, 2016 01:47 PM (DL2i+)

517
#508 - good one!

LDC, and POP, much of what you say is not just correct, but important - for example the collapse of the rule of law such that "standing" is used to simply avert dealing with central const. issues (in practice), and the bias and lawlessness enabling authoritarian and anti-American policies.

I just don't think Cruz's "case" is one that has much meat on the bones. Huge numbers (by now, millions?) of people in his situation have now lived their lives in the US (incl. lots of things requiring citizenship) having never been "naturalized".

I could be wrong, but I think it is black/white on citizenship flavors: either natural born, or naturalized. There is no other category. So if you're not one, you're the other. Nobody in Cruz's position, to my knowledge, has ever had to go through "naturalization"for their citizenship. Not sure what the hook would be to "challenge" his status, given the history and reality here.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 16, 2016 01:47 PM (QDnY+)

518 *happily trots out the door to pick up the new Springfield XD-S.

**which if past is prologue it will be at the bottom of the lake shortly


See y'all on the ONT

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 16, 2016 01:57 PM (hlMPp)

519 fuck this. I was born in New Jersey to a Texas mom and a New Jersey dad.

We moved to Texas when I was four.

Guess which state I consider my home, the state I would die for?

It's not an exact analogy, but to say that someone has dual loyalties because they happened to have been popped out elsewhere is crazy.

Posted by: stace at January 16, 2016 01:58 PM (CoX6k)

520 Mexico, Missouri

Posted by: free tibet, with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at January 16, 2016 02:00 PM (lAXNl)

521 The guy who responded in disbelief to Bruce Jenner's statement that he was going to date men -- you'e right. It's a stunt to boost ratings on his show that shd have been canceled. How lame.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 16, 2016 11:57 AM (iQIUe)


That was me. No hard feelings. I'm a bit relieved, I admit. If he started doung men, I would have lost all repect for him. All zero of the respect I had.

Posted by: Asmodeus Merkel at January 16, 2016 02:06 PM (GKF1b)

522 test $$

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 16, 2016 02:10 PM (wYnyS)

523 No ampersand joy!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 16, 2016 02:10 PM (wYnyS)

524 ugh "doing" "respect"

Posted by: Asmodeus Merkel at January 16, 2016 02:11 PM (GKF1b)

525 Mexico, Missouri
Posted by: free tibet, with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at January 16, 2016 02:00 PM (lAXNl)



Hey amigo, it does not matter.

Pretty soon, senor, it will all be Mexico.

Then there will be world war between The Syreuropean Union and the United States of Mehico. And no gringos left to blame.

Posted by: Jeb Bush at January 16, 2016 02:15 PM (GKF1b)

526
That was me. No hard feelings. I'm a bit relieved, I admit. If he started doung men, I would have lost all repect for him. All zero of the respect I had.
Posted by: Asmodeus Merkel at January 16, 2016 02:06 PM (GKF1b)

================
They cant find any men to date him so they will pay some actors to pretend to date him.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 16, 2016 02:17 PM (iQIUe)

527 This is a yuuuuuge fail on the part of Pastor Ted. Why would he lump all the people of New York and associate them with the dominant liberal bent of NYC? Like Trump said, there are conservatives in NY. Although I have moved from NYC, I am one of them and for Pastor Ted to include me in that group is insulting. This is not the way to win an general election!!! What state and their values is next for Cruz to attack? Those here and on talk radio that think this is a great response are the reasons we lose elections. The "Stupid" party followed by some "Stupid" people here and in conservative media. Again, this is a LOSING strategy.

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 01:40 PM (3Sx0X)

Mr. Begonia has made an appearance.

Posted by: Blano at January 16, 2016 02:21 PM (C3E0x)

528 I could be wrong, but I think it is black/white on citizenship flavors: either natural born, or naturalized. There is no other category. So if you're not one, you're the other. Nobody in Cruz's position, to my knowledge, has ever had to go through "naturalization"for their citizenship. Not sure what the hook would be to "challenge" his status, given the history and reality here.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 16, 2016 01:47 PM (QDnY+)


I think the best answer can be found in Leo Donofrio's New Jersey case - which the court's rejected. Donofrio outlined the argument for "natural born citizen" and argued taht the New Jersey SecState didn't perform the appropriate duties before allowing people on the ballot. He had an airtight argument in that Roger Calero appeared on the New Jersey ballot for the Presidency, while Calero didn't even have American citizenship - Calero was Nicaraguan and nothing but a green-card holder. If the New Jersey SecState had even done the minimal amount of checking Calero would never have appeared on the ballot. This was all beyond question. In the same suit Donofrio claimed that Barky, too, was ineligible and outlined his case for that, hinging on the dual citizenship nullifying natural born citizen status.

The courts rejected Donofrio's case, stating that he had no standing AND that he could show no injury (both laughable) and, further, that Calero on the ballot was a non-issue since "he didn't have a chance to win" [paraphrased from memory].

Anyway, Donofrio's case was the best of the bunch from that time and it's worth a look - not just Donofrio's arguments but the courts' laughable rejections of them. Cruz would fall within Donofrio's arguments (which I happen to agree with).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 16, 2016 02:24 PM (zc3Db)

529 Yes, Mortimer play the internet game and mock me as some concern troll. Here's the deal, I am from NYC, supported Lew Lehrman v. Mario Cuomo back in the day. Probably more conservative than most here but here's the deal.

Donald Trump is beating the Democrat media and the GOPe at the moment. If nominated, he'll crush Hillary because he's pro America as opposed to anti-American values Hillary Clinton. Yes, Trump is not a "pure" or "Constitutional" conservative but he is conservative on the most important issues facing America, illegal immigration, national security, economy and jobs. This Mark Levin pipe dream of electing a rock ribbed conservative that Cruz supporters hold onto is just that, a pipe dream. It will never happen. Start turning this country back from the the progressive destruction by electing Trump first and then go from there by replacing the progs in the GOPe party. It's just that simple. If Trump does not win, the country will be lost. I don't mind ringing the alarm but, let's be realistic. That's all.

Ex-military here, so.......As you were.

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 02:27 PM (3Sx0X)

530 &

ampers&

Posted by: eleven at January 16, 2016 02:29 PM (qUNWi)

531 One more thing. How many of you are looking forward to seeing the Republican presidential nominee get destroyed by the Democrat press and debate moderators like the past two nominees? Don't you remember screaming at your TV set saying, for cripes sake, fight! man!!!

Trump will fight... for America. That is certain. Again.... as you were.

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 02:31 PM (3Sx0X)

532 If anyone has any evidence that Cruz is loyal to any country other than this one, they should bring it forth.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 16, 2016 02:36 PM (rwI+c)

533 Do we have a poll that does a full spectrum (commie to birchie) whom do you like/hate? More predictive.
I'm still voting for Mr Wazzustan since he best represents my positions.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at January 16, 2016 02:41 PM (FtrY1)

534 "One more thing. How many of you are looking forward to seeing the
Republican presidential nominee get destroyed by the Democrat press and
debate moderators like the past two nominees? Don't you remember
screaming at your TV set saying, for cripes sake, fight! man!!!"



To quote Mortimer:



Daniel's concern status :

[ ] not noted

[x] noted

Posted by: redbanzai at January 16, 2016 02:42 PM (NPofj)

535 Canada begins with a "C" and so does Cruz...

... wake up people, it's obvious he's a collaborator and disqualified from being POTUS!!!

Posted by: can Cruz the Canadian candidate!!!eleventy!!! at January 16, 2016 02:45 PM (H9MG5)

536 I got my renewal notice for my 03FFL and notice that they now appear to require a fingerprint card and photo from the police for new applicants. It doesn't seem to apply to renewals, lucky for me, but I find this requirement onerous. Maybe it's only for other than C&R but the instructions do not say so.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 16, 2016 02:47 PM (rwI+c)

537 They cant find any men to date him so they will pay some actors to pretend to date him.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!


I wonder if they approached any professional gigalos. "no thanks, even I've got standards. *bleah*".

Posted by: Asmodeus Merkel at January 16, 2016 02:54 PM (GKF1b)

538 If anyone has any evidence that Cruz is loyal to any country other than this one, they should bring it forth.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of
equal or greater value at January 16, 2016 02:36 PM (rwI+c)


Until proven otherwise, I'm going to assume the Cruz naysayers are on Team Marco.


Or should that be La Yunta Marco...

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2016 02:57 PM (TOk1P)

539 What "leadership" of Giuliani after 9/11?
Trying to cancel the election, and extend his reign past the term limits voted by the people?
Yeah, horrible of NYers rejecting such a "conservative" value.

And surely you don't mean Giuliani's other "conservative" values, like secret deals to hide administration records, massive FOIA lawsuits, government endorsed blasphemy laws, lawsuits against gun dealers, and of course trying to install your mistress in the Mayoral residence with your wife and kids. Oh, and we really shouldn't forget suggesting your buddy for Director of Homeland Security - before he was convicted that is.
Not that people in NYC really rejected those when the sold out to Bloomberg for 12 years.
And not that Bloomberg didn't claim he had "conservative values" for those 12 years.
But let's not pretend that Giuliani's values aren't the exact same as Bloomberg's, and that they were far from "rejected" by NYers at any particular time, but rather selectively endorsed depending on who is endorsing the person imposing them.

Posted by: Sam at January 16, 2016 03:02 PM (x15d2)

540 OK, let's go with the 40 something speechifying televangelist styled freshman senator who's won praise for his debate skills for the win! Yes, that's the ticket! LOL.

Have any of you heard the current radio ads by Ted Cruz? You'll really love those. Hehe.

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 03:02 PM (3Sx0X)

541 Ah, so President Cruz replaces the White House bowling alley with a curling sheet and meets with Trudeau for 8 ends (AKA surrender talks).
Forget Mexico taking over. Get ready to start belting out "Oh,Canada" in your Kokanee induced alcoholic haze at the beginning of the Grey Cup.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at January 16, 2016 03:05 PM (FtrY1)

542 Until proven otherwise, I'm going to assume the Cruz naysayers are on Team Marco.


I think their concerns are sincere. I just think the courts and the law are against them. Then they fall back on the intent of the founders and I think their argument is again sound to the extent they take it. The founders intended to try and prevent the CiC from having divided loyalties, or worse, primary loyalty to a foreign power. Even granting the NaturalBirthers arguments, the term Natural Born Citizen was still just the means, not the intent.

By law, Ted was American at his birth. If no one can show any evidence of dual or foreign loyalties, I think the founders can rest fine.

Obviously, others will disagree.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 16, 2016 03:05 PM (rwI+c)

543 This is a yuuuuuge fail on the part of Pastor Ted. Why would he lump all
the people of New York and associate them with the dominant liberal
bent of NYC? Like Trump said, there are conservatives in NY. Although I
have moved from NYC, I am one of them and for Pastor Ted to include me
in that group is insulting.

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 01:40 PM (3Sx0X)

=========================================



Really? He's a pastor? I did not know that. Well, huh. That's kind of cool.

Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 16, 2016 03:11 PM (dFi94)

544 Have any of you heard the current radio ads by Ted Cruz? You'll really love those. Hehe.
Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 03:02 PM (3Sx0X)

I prefer the guy who's been a constitutional conservative since childhood to the guy who likes Kelo and the Canadian health care system.

I like the guy who helped win Heller and argued states rights before SCOTUS, which he was doing while Trump was donating to Democrats and praising assault weapons bans.

Posted by: stace at January 16, 2016 03:11 PM (CoX6k)

545 Fun times ahead with Pastor Ted.

http://tinyurl.com/jg5z74g

Yes, it's Slate. Cruz will be Palinized just the same.

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 03:12 PM (3Sx0X)

546 Amateur Webzine Slate

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at January 16, 2016 03:13 PM (rwI+c)

547 Yes, Stace I agree. Cruz is SCOTUS material, not POTUS material.

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 03:14 PM (3Sx0X)

548 I think their concerns are sincere. I just think
the courts and the law are against them. Then they fall back on the
intent of the founders and I think their argument is again sound to the
extent they take it. The founders intended to try and prevent the CiC
from having divided loyalties, or worse, primary loyalty to a foreign
power. Even granting the NaturalBirthers arguments, the term Natural
Born Citizen was still just the means, not the intent.



By law, Ted was American at his birth. If no one can show any
evidence of dual or foreign loyalties, I think the founders can rest
fine.



Obviously, others will disagree.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of
equal or greater value at January 16, 2016 03:05 PM (rwI+c)


I agree. One can express those concerns, and then realize the law sees it differently, and then we're done.
I compare it to the "state's rights" folks who argue the South was right during the Civil War. Ok, you have your perspective. The law has settled it otherwise, you went to war, and the other guys won, regardless of whether they had the better argument ON THAT POINT or not.


You can note your disagreement... and then get on with the business of being a resident of a Southern state, who is also now a member of the American Union.


And so if you are from Virginia, and decide to tell everyone "I' m not an American, I'm a Virginian!"


Sure, whatever dude, you're from Virginia. And the law says, Virginia is part of America, so....

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2016 03:17 PM (TOk1P)

549 What "leadership" of Giuliani after 9/11?

Trying to cancel the election, and extend his reign past the term limits voted by the people?

Yeah, horrible of NYers rejecting such a "conservative" value.

Posted by: Sam at January 16, 2016 03:02 PM (x15d2)



Giuliani did not try to "cancel the election"... nor did he have the law changed to allow himself a third term as Bloomberg did.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 16, 2016 03:17 PM (NPofj)

550 Yes, Stylebook. The Democrat media amateurs have been very successful these past few elections. Wouldn't you agree?

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 03:17 PM (3Sx0X)

551 Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 01:40 PM (3Sx0X)


=========================================



Really? He's a pastor? I did not know that. Well, huh. That's kind of cool.


Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 16, 2016 03:11 PM (dFi94)


I'm getting the sense Danny boi here is a troll. I don't know why. Might be the trollish behavior.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2016 03:19 PM (TOk1P)

552 Ah, so President Cruz replaces the White House
bowling alley with a curling sheet and meets with Trudeau for 8 ends
(AKA surrender talks).

Forget Mexico taking over. Get ready to start belting out
"Oh,Canada" in your Kokanee induced alcoholic haze at the beginning of
the Grey Cup.



Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at January 16, 2016 03:05 PM (FtrY1)


54 40 or fight!!!

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2016 03:21 PM (TOk1P)

553 If we annex Canada and Mexico with Ted as President, we could have our own Union of the Crowns and become Great America, Somoa and Mexico.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 16, 2016 03:24 PM (rwI+c)

554 I like the guy who helped win Heller and argued
states rights before SCOTUS, which he was doing while Trump was donating
to Democrats and praising assault weapons bans.





Posted by: stace at January 16, 2016 03:11 PM (CoX6k)

I thought Kelo was a states rights case?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 16, 2016 03:25 PM (T78UI)

555 Ok there was that one time Cruz told Rubio "Take off, eh, ya hoser" so maybe he does have divided loyalties.

Posted by: stace at January 16, 2016 03:27 PM (CoX6k)

556 If we annex Canada and Mexico with Ted as President,
we could have our own Union of the Crowns and become Great America,
Somoa and Mexico.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of
equal or greater value at January 16, 2016 03:24 PM (rwI+c)


Sure, and since the Crown will not be an elected office, we could let King Donald I reign, without having to actually know anything about government and its works.

Alongside him, his Queen: Brucella Jenner.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2016 03:28 PM (TOk1P)

557 I thought Kelo was a states rights case?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 16, 2016 03:25 PM (T78UI)

No, 5th amendment, which the decision violated.

Posted by: stace at January 16, 2016 03:28 PM (CoX6k)

558 I think their concerns are sincere. I just think
the courts and the law are against them. Then they fall back on the
intent of the founders and I think their argument is again sound to the
extent they take it. The founders intended to try and prevent the CiC
from having divided loyalties, or worse, primary loyalty to a foreign
power. Even granting the NaturalBirthers arguments, the term Natural
Born Citizen was still just the means, not the intent.



By law, Ted was American at his birth. If no one can show any
evidence of dual or foreign loyalties, I think the founders can rest
fine.



Obviously, others will disagree.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of
equal or greater value at January 16, 2016 03:05 PM (rwI+c)


I think some people have sincere, if misguided, concerns. I think most people, however, are looking to score cheap political points for their chosen non-Cruz candidate.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 16, 2016 03:30 PM (NPofj)

559 I would fight for 54 40 if it didn't end up mostly belonging to the Feds (like everything from the Rockies on to Hawaii).


Hey, can I get Texas dual citizenship? Will it shorten my refugee status when the country breaks up?

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at January 16, 2016 03:30 PM (FtrY1)

560 Far from it Grammie. It's three strikes and we're out as a country with this election.

Strike one : McCain
Strike two : Romney
Strike three : ?

We need a winner this time. That's all.

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 03:33 PM (3Sx0X)

561 Ok there was that one time Cruz told Rubio "Take off, eh, ya hoser" so maybe he does have divided loyalties.





Posted by: stace at January 16, 2016 03:27 PM (CoX6k)


Cruz was openly thrilled when Canada won the Gold in hockey in 2014 Olympics, claimed it's because he's such a yuuuuge fan of the Pittsburgh Penguins and Sidney Crosby.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2016 03:34 PM (TOk1P)

562 I thought Kelo was a states rights case?

Sadly no. No one even raised the argument that this didn't fall under the incorporation doctrine and/or the Due Process clause of the 14th.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 16, 2016 03:36 PM (rwI+c)

563 No, 5th amendment, which the decision violated.

Posted by: stace at January 16, 2016 03:28 PM (CoX6k)


"nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

So they were not compensated? Sure they were.

Or you don't like that state's rather broad interpretation of 'public use'? I don't either, but it isn't my state to lobby or ask SCOTUS to dictate.


Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 16, 2016 03:36 PM (T78UI)

564 McCain, Romney, Cruz:

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

Posted by: stace at January 16, 2016 03:37 PM (CoX6k)

565 I think some people have sincere, if misguided,
concerns. I think most people, however, are looking to score cheap
political points for their chosen non-Cruz candidate.


Posted by: redbanzai at January 16, 2016 03:30 PM (NPofj)


And I do not believe Trumpers are this openly hostile to Cruz' candidacy. If we're talking rivalry, that's fine. The men on the stage seemed to be capable of doing their own battles.

No, those who come here and actively demonstrate contempt for Cruz, these are your Team Gope folks. Many of them won't say it, but they are.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2016 03:38 PM (TOk1P)

566 We need a winner this time.

That's the argument the GOPe makes. They just want to win (though we think their method is flawed). I don't want to just win, I want someone, who understanding it, wants to restore the Republic. I don't think Trump has that in him. He's doing a good job putting boot to the establishment and if he is the nominee, I will probably vote for him, probably. But as long as Cruz is in the race, I'm not going to settle.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 16, 2016 03:41 PM (rwI+c)

567 "nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

So they were not compensated? Sure they were.

Or you don't like that state's rather broad interpretation of 'public use'? I don't either, but it isn't my state to lobby or ask SCOTUS to dictate.


Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 16, 2016 03:36 PM (T78UI)

It wasn't taken for public use. It was taken for private use. The conservative justices were horrified. It only passed because of the lib judges and the Kennedy swing vote.

Don't you remember this? It was universally reviled by ALL conservatives.

Posted by: stace at January 16, 2016 03:42 PM (CoX6k)

568 McCain, Romney, Cruz:

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

Cruz was a lawyer? Is that the answer?

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 03:42 PM (3Sx0X)

569 To whomever asked upthread how to pronounce Ouagadougou... it sounds like Wag-ah-doo-goo.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 16, 2016 03:43 PM (NPofj)

570 Bill O'Really says he'll move to Ireland if Bernie wins. So chalk up one for Bernie.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at January 16, 2016 03:46 PM (u5gzz)

571 Bill O'Really says he'll move to Ireland if Bernie wins. So chalk up one for Bernie.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at January 16, 2016 03:46 PM (u5gzz)


Heh, I can now say, unlike essentially all the Gope candidates, that I cannot rule out a vote for Bernie.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2016 03:49 PM (TOk1P)

572 No, those who come here and actively demonstrate
contempt for Cruz, these are your Team Gope folks. Many of them won't
say it, but they are.


Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2016 03:38 PM (TOk1P)

I don't know... the biggest asses over at Breitbart are (or at least say they are) for Trump. As I have said before, there seems to be a contingent of his supporters who, like Luap Nor people, are obnoxious and immune to reason. This is not necessarily Trump's fault other than he is stirring the pot.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 16, 2016 03:51 PM (NPofj)

573 That's the argument the GOPe makes. They just want to win (though we think their method is flawed). I don't want to just win, I want someone, who understanding it, wants to restore the Republic. I don't think Trump has that in him. He's doing a good job putting boot to the establishment and if he is the nominee, I will probably vote for him, probably. But as long as Cruz is in the race, I'm not going to settle.

Grump, we have to win on illegal immigration first. I don't want to see the day I'm consoling my kids/grandkids when they come to me with the fact that they lost out on a good job to a foreign born illegal or H1 visa type. The GOPe could care less, they and their families are set for life.

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 03:51 PM (3Sx0X)

574 It wasn't taken for public use. It was taken for
private use. The conservative justices were horrified. It only passed
because of the lib judges and the Kennedy swing vote.



Don't you remember this? It was universally reviled by ALL conservatives.

Posted by: stace at January 16, 2016 03:42 PM (CoX6k)

You don't like that state's rather broad interpretation of 'public use'.
Neither do I.
Apparently the people of Connecticut are just fine with it. Or maybe they changed their eminent domain law after this case, I don't know. But Connecticut isn't the only state that has claimed 'public use' can be increasing the tax base, or more jobs, whatever.

If I was dictator I would use eminent domain only for public roads and golf courses (so long as space for one public golf course is allocated for each private course so obtained). And nuclear waste dumps in Idaho and Utah. And illegal alien detention center / Tyson chicken processing plants in Texas. And private yacht clubs in Kansas.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 16, 2016 03:52 PM (T78UI)

575 Grump, we have to win on illegal immigration first.

No argument from me on that. I'm in favor of a complete immigration hiatus. We don't need immigrants, certainly not for the next 25 years while we digest the ones we already have. We need more than the fence.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 16, 2016 03:53 PM (rwI+c)

576 No, those who come here and actively demonstrate
contempt for Cruz, these are your Team Gope folks. Many of them won't
say it, but they are.


Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2016 03:38 PM

This doesn't make sense. Trump supporters are not GOpe.

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 03:55 PM (3Sx0X)

577 This doesn't make sense. Trump supporters are not GOpe.

Read it again.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 16, 2016 03:56 PM (rwI+c)

578 Apparently the people of Connecticut are just fine with it
==

Yes, liberals are fine with it. Conservatives are not. States like TX immediately passed laws forbidding what Kelo allowed.

No one can defend Kelo and call himself a conservative. I would certainly never vote for someone who does, not in the primary anyway.

It's one of those foundational issues that I can't ignore.

Posted by: stace at January 16, 2016 03:57 PM (CoX6k)

579 This doesn't make sense. Trump supporters are not GOpe.

Read it again.

OK, I must be missing something. I am a Trump supporter who doesn't like former Texas solicitor and freshman Senator Ted Cruz as the Republican presidential nominee. Does that make me GOPe? Again, what am I missing?

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 04:01 PM (3Sx0X)

580 Joe Sorban, jew hating ass though he turned out to be, made an interesting distinction between Single-Issue Voters and Primary Issue Voters. A Single Issue Pro-Life voter would never vote for a Pro-Abortion candidate, even if that means another Pro-Abortion candidate will win anyway. The Single Issue voter takes the issue as a reflection on themselves. A Primary Issue Pro-Lifer might vote for the better of the two Pro-Abortion candidates.

I think, as in my example, I'm Single Issue on Abortion, though forgiving, and Primary Issue on other Constitutional and Policy matters.

I'll take half a loaf, as long as it's not buttered with rendered children, as it were.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 16, 2016 04:03 PM (rwI+c)

581 Yes, it's Slate. Cruz will be Palinized just the same.

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 03:12 PM (3Sx0X)

The press has tried that for years without success... No one is getting Palinized this year.
But you keep trying as we are noting your concerns.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 16, 2016 04:04 PM (NPofj)

582 I find it interesting that many rock ribbed pure conservatives get stuck on being pure on the issues when there are none of these types representing us. After two landslide mid term elections that conservatives won to boot. The present members of congress that were elected just talk the talk while progressive policies get enacted. Sure they give you the phony fight in the halls of congress but eventually become doormats. Again, like I said, we need some wins!

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 04:14 PM (3Sx0X)

583 Yes, liberals are fine with it. Conservatives are not. States like TX immediately passed laws forbidding what Kelo allowed.



No one can defend Kelo and call himself a conservative. I would
certainly never vote for someone who does, not in the primary anyway.



It's one of those foundational issues that I can't ignore.

Posted by: stace at January 16, 2016 03:57 PM (CoX6k)

Heh,
Wiki say prior to Kelo only seven states specifically prohibited the use of eminent domain for 'economic development' (except to eliminate blight, one hell of a loophole).
Post-Kelo 44 states tightened up. Folks must have been kind of pissed to find out that their 'leaders' could seize their property for private use in exchange for some campaign kickbacks.Honestly, Pre-Kelo, I would have expected more than seven states would have prohibited use of emanate domain in this way.


Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 16, 2016 04:18 PM (T78UI)

584 Yes, it's Slate. Cruz will be Palinized just the same.

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 03:12 PM (3Sx0X)

The press has tried that for years without success... No one is getting Palinized this year.
But you keep trying as we are noting your concerns.

What? You must have been away during 2012. Remember how Romney was responsible for giving some one cancer?

We are not even at the general yet. It's coming, like clockwork. You surely know that Red. Yes?

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 04:19 PM (3Sx0X)

585
A consensus view: A contest that ultimately reduces to Trump vs Cruz fighting over who is more conservative is infinitely preferable to Dubya and McCain, or McCain and Romney, sissy fighting over "cares" the most.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 04:24 PM (kdS6q)

586 Romney was a wimp who thought conservatism was icky... he also did not lose cause the press sucked.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 16, 2016 04:26 PM (NPofj)

587 Honestly, Pre-Kelo, I would have expected more than seven states would have prohibited use of emanate domain in this way.


Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 16, 2016 04:18 PM (T78UI)

Yeah, I guess when Ginsburg, Breyer, Stevens et al killed the 5A protection it set everyone's hair on fire. It did mine.

Posted by: stace at January 16, 2016 04:27 PM (CoX6k)

588 A consensus view: A contest that ultimately reduces
to Trump vs Cruz fighting over who is more conservative is infinitely
preferable to Dubya and McCain, or McCain and Romney, sissy fighting
over "cares" the most.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 04:24 PM (kdS6q)

Very, very, veeeeerrry true.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 16, 2016 04:29 PM (NPofj)

589 A consensus view: A contest that ultimately reduces to Trump vs Cruz fighting over who is more conservative is infinitely preferable to Dubya and McCain, or McCain and Romney, sissy fighting over "cares" the most.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2016 04:24 PM (kdS6q)

I'll drink to that! Later, when I mix my first margarita.

Posted by: stace at January 16, 2016 04:31 PM (CoX6k)

590 Romney was a wimp who thought conservatism was icky... he also did not lose cause the press sucked.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 16, 2016 04:26 PM

Concern troll mocking plus this.

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 04:33 PM (3Sx0X)

591 Concern troll mocking plus this.

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 04:33 PM (3Sx0X)

More specifically, Romney lost because offered nothing other than he wasn't Obama... except on THE issue of that election, he was Obama and had no moral authority. Remember Romneycare? Because conservatives certainly did.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 16, 2016 04:38 PM (NPofj)

592 Because *HE offered

Posted by: redbanzai at January 16, 2016 05:06 PM (NPofj)

593 Testing going into airplane mode and backing out

Posted by: Alana at January 16, 2016 05:43 PM (+Dfwx)

594 HIT DAMN, It worked! I haven't been able to post to AOS on my iPad for months!

Thanks, whoever said that!

Posted by: Alana at January 16, 2016 05:45 PM (+Dfwx)

595 I meant, of course, "hot damn." Got too excited, I guess!

Posted by: Alana at January 16, 2016 05:46 PM (+Dfwx)

596 MINDFUL WEBWORKER! It was you! Thanks!

Posted by: Alana at January 16, 2016 05:51 PM (+Dfwx)

597 Willow... don't you want to post here? We need another open thread.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 16, 2016 06:36 PM (NPofj)

598 The Cruz campaign is pretty much over. Apparently, Cruz has stated that he had received millions in grass roots contributions. Reality is the campaign has received a paltry 487K in contributions but 11 million from hedge fund mogul plus the 1 mil loan from Goldman Sachs. Not very good for Pastor Ted.

Downfall.

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 07:25 PM (3Sx0X)

599 Daniel, as southern woman I just want to say, bless your heart.

Posted by: Gapoz at January 16, 2016 07:31 PM (ULwRD)

600 There's more my dear. It's coming out in the wash. BTW, Mark Levin says hi. LOL.

Posted by: Daniel at January 16, 2016 07:42 PM (3Sx0X)

601 Giuliani did not try to "cancel the election"... nor did he have the law changed to allow himself a third term as Bloomberg did.


Posted by: redbanzai at January 16, 2016 03:17 PM (NPofj)

Well, yeah, he did.

First the primary was suspended with no set date for resuming it.
Then Giuliani sought an exemption but Sheldon Silver refused to even consider it.
Then the Conservative Party beclowned itself by offering him their party line though he "declined".
Then there were "private" attempts to petition to delay the election for a year.
Finally Giuliani just "volunteered" to stay an extra three months during the transition period.

But what's a little failed coup to the reputation of a man who set up such a great sanctuary city program?

Posted by: Sam at January 16, 2016 11:58 PM (x15d2)

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