Monday Morning News Dump

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1 Woo! Dump!

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at January 04, 2016 10:43 AM (kXzR8)

2 Well, my Monday is now complete. I Guess I can pack it up and head home...

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at January 04, 2016 10:44 AM (kXzR8)

3 Trifecta?

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at January 04, 2016 10:44 AM (kXzR8)

4 STOMP!

Posted by: Soona at January 04, 2016 10:46 AM (Fmupd)

5 KSA vs. Iran!!!

This Sunday, Sunday, Sunday!

Posted by: eman at January 04, 2016 10:47 AM (MQEz6)

6 First dump of the year.

Posted by: HH at January 04, 2016 10:47 AM (DrCtv)

7 If the stock market takes a major dump between now and November, I could see 2016 being like 2008 for Democrats.

Stocks are so widely over valued right now, if you don't have stop losses in place, now's a good time.

Posted by: Tobasco at January 04, 2016 10:47 AM (+APs0)

8 Invest in small bars of soap that you can trade for hot food or shelter for one night.

Posted by: eman at January 04, 2016 10:49 AM (MQEz6)

9 I think it's ridiculous that the Feds can declare an oops do over and send those two ranchers back to prison. It may be more complex and nuanced than that but it still feels like a double jeopardy situation.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 04, 2016 10:50 AM (L8slQ)

10 If there's a way for Saudi Arabia and Iran to wage total war without pulling in Russia and the USA, I say let's start making popcorn. Now that we have plenty of oil in the USA, let them pound each other to dust.

Posted by: gp at January 04, 2016 10:50 AM (+Jpqc)

11 " If the stock market takes a major dump between now and November, I could see 2016 being like 2008 for Democrats." 2008 was far more than a stock market crash. It was a credit collapse, the edge of an abyss scarier than anything in a lifetime. Do not hope for a repeat of 2008.

Posted by: gp at January 04, 2016 10:52 AM (+Jpqc)

12 Why are people staying out of the labor force?

.........Hmmm

............why indeed.....

.....Maybe because they don't have to?

Posted by: BurtTC at January 04, 2016 10:53 AM (Dj0WE)

13 Iran, backed by Putin and Obama, versus Saudi Arabia, backed by the Sunni middle east and Pakistani nukes. This will be an interesting war.

Posted by: MTF at January 04, 2016 10:54 AM (TxJGV)

14 re: Iran and Saudi Arabia. Plus places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

They look to DC and say aloud, "With a friend like that, who needs an enema?"

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 04, 2016 10:55 AM (/fW7M)

15 I'm already expecting oil prices to start climbing again. It really doesn't take much for the futures market to react. Europe will be affected much more than we will though.

Posted by: Soona at January 04, 2016 10:56 AM (Fmupd)

16 Liberals are new autocrats? Is Obama Optimus Prime?

Posted by: blaster at January 04, 2016 10:56 AM (2Ocf1)

17 If the stock market takes a major dump between now and November, I could see 2016 being like 2008 for Democrats.

Meaning Hillary will sweep in to bring us hope and change?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 04, 2016 10:56 AM (FkBIv)

18 SJW's At Oberlin Don't Know Anything About Ethnic Food

Shorter - SJW's don't know shit from shit but they'll tell you it's a microagression and they need a safe space.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 04, 2016 10:57 AM (fWAjv)

19 Many See IRS Penalties (It's a Tax!) As More Affordable Than Insurance

Roberts should be impeached for that tax BS. But one thing I don't understand in that calculus is that if you don't make enough money for the penalty to be really onerous then you also qualify for a "subsidy".

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 04, 2016 10:57 AM (t2KH5)

20 A KSA/Persia war will certainly drive up oil prices, once again.

Pity, that buck-fifty-something gas was sure nice while it lasted.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at January 04, 2016 10:58 AM (McRlu)

21 Liberals are new autocrats? Is Obama Optimus Prime?
Posted by: blaster

Aristobots

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 04, 2016 10:58 AM (FkBIv)

22 Nah, Demoncrats are Deciptabots.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 04, 2016 10:59 AM (/fW7M)

23 If there's a way for Saudi Arabia and Iran to wage total war without
pulling in Russia and the USA, I say let's start making popcorn. Now
that we have plenty of oil in the USA, let them pound each other to
dust.

Can't we bomb both sides?

Posted by: An Observation at January 04, 2016 10:59 AM (Ir9EO)

24 Joel Kotkin's piece on liberals as the new autocrats is mostly decent though rehashes much we're all familiar with. But he follows the same polemical line of labeling the growing blowback or resistance to this autocracy as necessarily "right-wing quasi-fascism." Why do they always do this? There can't be a freedom-based resistance to liberal autocracy? It MUST be "fascist" and "right-wing"? Very tiring.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 04, 2016 10:59 AM (s/yC1)

25 Iran Deal Backers Embarrassed By Obama Admin's Sanctions Blunder

They are idiots for backing it in the first place. Sanctions by the US alone are worthless and no other country will go along. Probably not even the Brits since Obama has continuously pissed them off.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 04, 2016 10:59 AM (t2KH5)

26 Geez. Congress to be voting on Fredocare this morning.

Theater for the LIV's.

Posted by: Soona at January 04, 2016 11:00 AM (Fmupd)

27 The Obamacare IRS penalty has bee way more affordable than insurance for us.

Unfortunately with Mr DG in a high-risk job and not as young as he used to be, we've put him on my work insurance. It's a $350 a month hit to the paycheck, with a $3500 deductible increase but gotta do what we gotta do.

Thanks Obama!

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at January 04, 2016 11:00 AM (fBape)

28 Dear Soviet Justice Wankers at Oberlin, this is your economic future for being more than $100k in debt with a useless degree.

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Enduring-Eye-RGS-14.jpg

You will soon know a true ethnic food - beans, beans, beans; the food of the poor.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 04, 2016 11:00 AM (/fW7M)

29 *Jackie Mason voice*
You know what will lower unemployment? Three months of paid maternity leave! Forcing employers to pay for zero productivity will leave them plenty of cash to hire new people! Also, this unicorn in my pants needs to be freed!

Posted by: Uncle Bernie at January 04, 2016 11:01 AM (vgIRn)

30 study published Wednesday by the National Education Association has
determined that a four-year college education is still a better
investment of one's time and money than spending the same duration
chained to a radiator in a dank, unlit basement.

The Onion offers that up as a parody but colleges are already a parody.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 04, 2016 11:01 AM (t2KH5)

31 26 Geez. Congress to be voting on Fredocare this morning.

Theater for the LIV's.

Posted by: Soona at January 04, 2016 11:00 AM (Fmupd)

Call Congress!!!

LIGHT UP THE PHONE LINES!!!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 04, 2016 11:02 AM (fWAjv)

32
General Tsao's chicken...mmm....mmm...mmm!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 04, 2016 11:02 AM (iQIUe)

33 Iran, backed by Putin and Obama, versus Saudi Arabia, backed by the Sunni middle east and Pakistani nukes and a lot of quiet guys with Israeli accents. This will be an interesting war.

Just reminding folks, Tel Aviv knows its interests. And they aren't going to stay out...though they won't admit to it. (And the Saudis will of course know...though they won't admit to it, either.)

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at January 04, 2016 11:02 AM (9krrF)

34 The 'why didn't you use authentic French baguettes in my authentic Vietnamese sandwich' has to my favorite complaint about appropriation.

Posted by: Lea at January 04, 2016 11:02 AM (lIU4e)

35 How Liberals Are the New Autocrats

New???? What's new about liberals being autocrat despots?

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 04, 2016 11:03 AM (t2KH5)

36 You will soon know a true ethnic food - beans, beans, beans; the food of the poor.

And of course that perennial supplementary meat, long pig.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at January 04, 2016 11:03 AM (9krrF)

37 2008 was far more than a stock market crash. It was a credit collapse, the edge of an abyss scarier than anything in a lifetime. Do not hope for a repeat of 2008.
Posted by: gp

I'm tired of the can kicking and the Fed creating this illusion of wealth and prosperity in the stock market

Posted by: Tobasco at January 04, 2016 11:04 AM (+APs0)

38 Call Congress!!!

LIGHT UP THE PHONE LINES!!!
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 04, 2016 11:02 AM (fWAjv)

This is Jugdesh... I mean Rick, to which Gopey Gope may I direct your call?

Posted by: BurtTC at January 04, 2016 11:05 AM (Dj0WE)

39 I knew the space travel artist would be about Bonestell. His works are incredible, they really look like photos from the future.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 04, 2016 11:05 AM (B8JRQ)

40 The Artist Who Helped Invent Space Travel

I know I have seen some of those as cover art on SF books.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 04, 2016 11:05 AM (t2KH5)

41 Brother Cavil, well that is a given as they discuss which of them are the true traitors to the cause first. Which is when we find out which ones have the guns and which merely have baseball bats.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 04, 2016 11:05 AM (/fW7M)

42 Yeah, my "conservative" rep was boasting about the Obamacare repeal bill. I was like, "oh, you mean the Obamacare that you just voted to fully fund a few weeks ago? That Obamacare? "

All bullshit.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at January 04, 2016 11:05 AM (fBape)

43 Since the space link is IO9, not clicking. But Bonesteel?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 04, 2016 11:06 AM (/fW7M)

44 Which is when we find out which ones have the guns and which merely have baseball bats.

Yeah, seriously, I wouldn't want to be a white liberal when TSHTF. Talk about the worst of all possible worlds.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at January 04, 2016 11:07 AM (9krrF)

45 Man With Bionic Penis To Finally Lose His Virginity At 43

I don't think that really counts for the guy ... but I congratulate the penis.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 04, 2016 11:07 AM (zc3Db)

46 Here's what the bureaufound, broadly: Thirty-five percent of the U.S.
population wasn'tin the labor force in 2014, up from 31.3 percent a
decade earlier. (You're considered out of the workforce if you don't
have a job and aren't looking for one.

They are not looking for one until Obama is out of office and all his BS regulations done with pen and phone are eliminated. After two years are more of looking for a job and not finding one anyone would tend to give up.

This is just one way the corrupt Obamanites commit fraud and fudge the numbers.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 04, 2016 11:08 AM (t2KH5)

47 10 If there's a way for Saudi Arabia and Iran to wage total war without pulling in Russia and the USA, I say let's start making popcorn. Now that we have plenty of oil in the USA, let them pound each other to dust.

Posted by: gp at January 04, 2016 10:50 AM (+Jpqc)

Kind of Interesting really.... just looking a treaties signed...

And while Russia has a joint defense agreement with Iran, we do NOT with Saudi Arabia, even though we have been arming and training them for years.

But the House of Saud is part of the Arab league, which looks like its pretty much defunct as it has Egypt, Lebanon, and Syria in it...

And the Saudis have been making diplomatic overtures to Russia...

Soooo... its a mess...

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 04, 2016 11:08 AM (f7rv6)

48 SJW's ~~At Oberlin~~ Anywhere Don't Know Anything ~~About Ethnic Food~~

FIFY

Posted by: chique testing testing at January 04, 2016 11:09 AM (ZKlDy)

49 I think that eating itself is a cultural misappropriation for anyone majoring in Third World Studies.
Starving, while suffering from malaria would be more authentic.

Posted by: Keep playing with your device at January 04, 2016 11:09 AM (k8tEg)

50 Since the space link is IO9, not clicking. But Bonesteel?

Bonestell, yep. From March '13 so It's Old™.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at January 04, 2016 11:09 AM (9krrF)

51 They are not looking for one until Obama is out of office and all his BS regulations done with pen and phone are eliminated.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 04, 2016 11:08 AM (t2KH5)

Exactly.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 04, 2016 11:09 AM (zc3Db)

52 27 The Obamacare IRS penalty has bee way more affordable than insurance for us.

Unfortunately with Mr DG in a high-risk job and not as young as he used to be, we've put him on my work insurance. It's a $350 a month hit to the paycheck, with a $3500 deductible increase but gotta do what we gotta do.

Thanks Obama!
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at January 04, 2016 11:00 AM (fBape)

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Before Fredocare my work insurance cost $150 a month with a $500 deductible. Everything has increased almost 150% since the bulk of it has been put into force. Next year the company has warned that it may pull all health insurance out of the benefits package.

Posted by: Soona at January 04, 2016 11:09 AM (Fmupd)

53 16,979.79-445.24 (-2.56%)

Happy New Year

Posted by: DJIA Death Watch at January 04, 2016 11:11 AM (evdj2)

54 *** Runs around waving hands in air ***

AAaahhh!, Lake Effect, Lake Effect

Like having a county wide snowball thrown at you.

*** resume normal headline panic + despondency ***

Posted by: DaveA at January 04, 2016 11:11 AM (DL2i+)

55 People are staying out of the workforce because they're working under the table.

Posted by: Lauren at January 04, 2016 11:13 AM (bYGAR)

56 Before Fredocare my work insurance cost $150 a month with a $500 deductible. Everything has increased almost 150% since the bulk of it has been put into force. Next year the company has warned that it may pull all health insurance out of the benefits package.

Posted by: Soona at January 04, 2016 11:09 AM (Fmupd)

Before BarkyCare my individual insurance plan was $100/month with a $3000 deductible. After BarkyCare, $350/month with a $6000 deductible (and co-pays twice what they were).

But the Vichy GOP is scared to death to get rid of BarkyCare because the poor leeches who get subsidies and Medicaid dirtbags will be hurt ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 04, 2016 11:13 AM (zc3Db)

57 Well this is also old, but Stanley Kubrick 2001: A Space Odyssey.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hlkzuvs

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 04, 2016 11:13 AM (/fW7M)

58 They are not looking for one until Obama is out of office and all his BS regulations done with pen and phone are eliminated.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 04, 2016 11:08 AM (t2KH5)

Exactly.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 04, 2016 11:09 AM (zc3Db)

No, not exactly. The vast majority of people NOT looking for work are not your hard-working Americans who have given up. They are deadbeats who don't want to work, don't need to work, and you are paying for them to sit on their asses, not working.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 04, 2016 11:14 AM (Dj0WE)

59 51 They are not looking for one until Obama is out of office and all his BS regulations done with pen and phone are eliminated.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 04, 2016 11:08 AM (t2KH5)

Exactly.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 04, 2016 11:09 AM (zc3Db)

I've had 3 major IT projects, all having to do with secure email, and privacy, killed in the last year due to changes in laws...

The current Laws, and Microsoft O'/S now makes actually following HIPAA laws almost impossible... as anyone who actually knows what is going on cannot certify information or systems are secure.

I am now once more.... between projects... ie... unemployed.

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 04, 2016 11:16 AM (f7rv6)

60 I own my own business, and what ObamaCare has skyrocketed my premiums. There's no way I can just "pay the fine" my understanding is the fine is 2% of gross pay and it keeps going up.

I may look into one of these healthcare ministries if we don't get some sort of reform. I'm not going to make a mortgage payment for a $5,000 deductible health insurance policy.

At some point, even those that "play by the rules" will simply work the system.

Posted by: Tobasco at January 04, 2016 11:16 AM (+APs0)

61 Posted by: BurtTC at January 04, 2016 11:14 AM (Dj0WE)

That's true, but Vic (I assume) and I were talking about the normal people who have opted out, of which the number is not insignificant.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 04, 2016 11:16 AM (zc3Db)

62 People are staying out of the workforce because they're working under the table.
Posted by: Lauren at January 04, 2016 11:13 AM (bYGAR)

Yep, that too. Collecting SSI, and working for cash (and consequently NOT paying into Social Security).

Also if they don't know you're working, it has the benefit of not being collectible for back child support.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 04, 2016 11:17 AM (Dj0WE)

63 Lauren, you will be pleased to know I put in that Monty Python reference.

Actually my Muse, as I lay trying to sleep, sorted out how the bar scene should go. So I leaped, well not really or I might have hurt myself in the dark, to my feet and powered up netbook. Opened up Scrivener and starting throwing more words onto the screen. By the time I was finished, had written another 1,001 words and crossed the 28k words written mark.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 04, 2016 11:17 AM (/fW7M)

64 The big hit though is disability. Everyone and their dog claim to be disabled these days. So here's what you do.

Claim disability. Work under the table.

Profit.

Posted by: Lauren at January 04, 2016 11:18 AM (bYGAR)

65 " By the time I was finished, had written another 1,001 words and crossed the 28k words written mark."

Yay! And horray for Monty Python. Haha.

Posted by: Lauren at January 04, 2016 11:19 AM (bYGAR)

66 People are staying out of the workforce because they're working under the table.
Posted by: Lauren

Like Monica Lewinsky

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 04, 2016 11:20 AM (FkBIv)

67 Anna Puma, congratulations!

Posted by: TRUMP! at January 04, 2016 11:20 AM (lVU49)

68 Hillary so bad and so desperate that she has to trot out her free ride ticket........Bubba.

Posted by: Soona at January 04, 2016 11:21 AM (Fmupd)

69 People are staying out of the workforce because they're working under the table.
Posted by: Lauren

Like Monica Lewinsky
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 04, 2016 11:20 AM (FkBIv)

Heyo!

...Yeah, some of them, I guess.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 04, 2016 11:22 AM (Dj0WE)

70 SA has been keeping oil prices low in an attempt to force the frackers out of business and keep oil money flowing to the middle East. Iran has been yowling and demanding cuts in Saudi production in order to push prices higher. Show of hands.... Who thinks this little push/shove thing is deliberate and tied to oil prices?
My hand is up and waving.

Posted by: madamemayhem at January 04, 2016 11:22 AM (WPm3x)

71 Since the space link is IO9, not clicking. But Bonesteel?
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 04, 2016 11:06 AM (/fW7M)

Yes, and for once they avoided the feeeeelings part. Though referring to Willy Ley as an "ex-pat" made me want want to scream.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 04, 2016 11:24 AM (q2o38)

72
I love the smell of dump in the morning, smells like.......well, dump.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 04, 2016 11:24 AM (j4wsR)

73 Who thinks this little push/shove thing is deliberate and tied to oil prices?

Da.

Posted by: Vlad in Moscow at January 04, 2016 11:24 AM (9krrF)

74 I'm waiting as well for that proverbial, "sorry employees but it's more economically feasable to pay a penalty than provide insurance for you."

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at January 04, 2016 11:24 AM (fBape)

75 SJW's at Oberlin Don't Know Anything.

There, fixed that headline.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - SMOD The Destroyer Of SCOAMFs now at the Outrage Outlet! at January 04, 2016 11:24 AM (hLRSq)

76 People are staying out of the workforce because they're working under the table.

====

Obviously, the solution is to mandate $15/hour minimum wage for under the table work!

Posted by: Bigby's Dike-Plugging Finger at January 04, 2016 11:24 AM (3ZtZW)

77
64 The big hit though is disability. Everyone and their dog claim to be disabled these days. So here's what you do.

Claim disability. Work under the table.

Profit.

Posted by: Lauren at January 04, 2016 11:18 AM (bYGAR)

Current Lady Friend is a Long Haul Truck Driver (and smoking hot)... who has a shoulder injury.

She just wants it fixed, but they put her on disability and she has not been driving for 3 months now as the PAPERWORK goes through the system... the Doctors involved, and case workers, WANT her to go on permanent disability...

She just wants her shoulder fixed so she can go back to driving...

The System gets PAID by how many disabled people they support.... the Doctors get paid for ongoing apointments... the Case workers get paid not for who gets OFF disability, but for who is on....

System seems to WANT her on disability, instead of working at a productive job.

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 04, 2016 11:25 AM (f7rv6)

78 Obviously, the solution is to mandate $15/hour minimum wage for under the table work!

Brilliant!

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 04, 2016 11:25 AM (evdj2)

79
66 People are staying out of the workforce because they're working under the table.
Posted by: Lauren

Like Monica Lewinsky

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 04, 2016 11:20 AM (FkBIv)

Yeah, there's ALWAYS a way for young female SJWs to make a living.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 04, 2016 11:25 AM (j4wsR)

80 "I'm tired of the can kicking and the Fed creating this illusion of wealth and prosperity in the stock market." Me too. But I'm hoping we can somehow/someday return to financial prudence without a repeat of the terrifying money-market and commercial-paper freeze-up of 2008. Wishing in vain probably.

Now as for a plain old stock market correction or crash, yeah, it's overdue and I'm up for it. My powder is dry and I'm ready to buy.

Posted by: gp at January 04, 2016 11:26 AM (+Jpqc)

81 74 I'm waiting as well for that proverbial, "sorry employees but it's more economically feasable to pay a penalty than provide insurance for you."
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at January 04, 2016 11:24 AM (fBape)

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As I said upthread, it's probably going to happen in my company next year.

Posted by: Soona at January 04, 2016 11:26 AM (Fmupd)

82 "System seems to WANT her on disability, instead of working at a productive job."

Well, yeah. Always good to get people dependent on the government, right?

Posted by: Lauren at January 04, 2016 11:27 AM (GZ6Pf)

83 The big hit though is disability. Everyone and their dog claim to be disabled these days. So here's what you do.

Claim disability. Work under the table.

Profit.
Posted by: Lauren
__________

I would be willing to bet almost everyone here knows at least one person playing the disability game.

This really needs to be reformed, if I were depending on SS for my retirement, I would want a clamp down on this gaming of the system.

Posted by: Tobasco at January 04, 2016 11:27 AM (+APs0)

84 Obviously, the solution is to mandate $15/hour minimum wage for under the table work!

Brilliant!
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 04, 2016 11:25 AM (evdj2)

Yes! Bring 'em out of the shadows so we can tax 'em! It'll totally work.

Posted by: Ruby Oh! at January 04, 2016 11:28 AM (Dj0WE)

85 The vast majority of people NOT looking for work are not your hard-working Americans who have given up. They are deadbeats who don't want to work, don't need to work, and you are paying for them to sit on their asses, not working.
Posted by: BurtTC

That's the result of "we need to be more like Europe."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 04, 2016 11:28 AM (FkBIv)

86 68 Hillary so bad and so desperate that she has to trot out her free ride ticket........Bubba.
_________________________

That's because her only real accomplishment in her miserable life was getting him elected president -- twice.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 04, 2016 11:28 AM (YqcVw)

87 System seems to WANT her on disability, instead of working at a productive job.
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 04, 2016 11:25 AM (f7rv6)

My brother had an accident and can't do his old job. But he could get a different less physical job. But that doesn't seem to matter for disability? It's a weird, crazy system.

I also know people who retired early on 'disability' and then went and worked at kohls or something.

Posted by: Lea at January 04, 2016 11:28 AM (lIU4e)

88 Now as for a plain old stock market correction or crash, yeah, it's overdue and I'm up for it. My powder is dry and I'm ready to buy.

Posted by: gp at January 04, 2016 11:26 AM (+Jpqc)

If you take out the combination of Government deficit spending, and the amount of Quantitative easing, out of the GDP....

We have been in a depression for years.

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 04, 2016 11:29 AM (f7rv6)

89 Tax penalty or jump into an unknown, unaccountable bureaucracy? Still do not know in Illinois how far down you are liable for whatever 'subsidies' you accept for unaffordable coverage. How long does the State have to prosecute you for 'repayment' of various subsidies if the regulations change at some whim? Medicaid is a horrendous boondoggle.

Scary thoughts.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 04, 2016 11:29 AM (MIKMs)

90 Willie Ley an 'ex-pat' revisionism at its finest...

Someone should revise the writer to worm food. In a metaphorical sense.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 04, 2016 11:30 AM (/fW7M)

91 As I said upthread, it's probably going to happen in my company next year.
Posted by: Soona at January 04, 2016 11:26 AM (Fmupd)
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Sorry to hear that. Is next year when the "employer mandate" goes into effect?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at January 04, 2016 11:31 AM (fBape)

92 Allen Colmes calling OR protesters domestic terrorists.

Posted by: Soona at January 04, 2016 11:33 AM (Fmupd)

93 87 I also know people who retired early on 'disability' and then went and worked at kohls or something.

Posted by: Lea at January 04, 2016 11:28 AM (lIU4e)

And by the law that established SSDI that is illegal fraud. SSDI is supposed to be paid ONLY if a person is unable to do ANY work.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 04, 2016 11:34 AM (t2KH5)

94
Hillary so bad and so desperate that she has to trot out her free ride ticket........Bubba.

Posted by: Soona at January 04, 2016 11:21 AM (Fmupd)
_____________________________

Shut your whore mouth.....

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 04, 2016 11:34 AM (HSmrB)

95 No, not exactly. The vast majority of people NOT looking for work are not your hard-working Americans who have given up. They are deadbeats who don't want to work, don't need to work, and you are paying for them to sit on their asses, not working.

Some of us have had our livelihood destroyed by fiat. Recall that tens of thousands of small businesses were forced to close and millions of Americans put out of work by NAFTA, GATT and China being made our permanent Most Favored Trade Nation.

It was a global transfer of wealth away from US and towards our enemies, engineered and accomplished by the Democrats/Socialist/Progressive Cabal in DC. We cannot recover unless and until we install a government that promotes the interests of the country and its citizens first.

Welcome to the New Normal.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 04, 2016 11:35 AM (LUgeY)

96 I have a friend that works at a prison, and one of his collegaues that works there is on military disability yet is able to be a corrections officer.

Tell me how that works.

And I agree that many people are happy gaming the system, they are not doing this out of survival.

Posted by: Tobasco at January 04, 2016 11:36 AM (+APs0)

97
Trying not to smack a bitch on twitter. SJW snowflake argues that burning down the CVS in B'more did not create poverty. No, but it did burn out the few remaining businesses and employers in that neighborhood. It did make it diffiult for the ill and elderly to have their Rxs filled, buy necessary goods, food, etc.

I love how these 20 somethings think they know what poverty is and what the poor need. spit.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 04, 2016 11:36 AM (iQIUe)

98
Sorry to hear that. Is next year when the "employer mandate" goes into effect?
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at January 04, 2016 11:31 AM (

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It was supposed to happen this year but the DC Uniparty put it off another year to help Fredo.

Posted by: Soona at January 04, 2016 11:37 AM (Fmupd)

99 Allen Colmes calling OR protesters domestic terrorists.
Posted by: Soona

Montel Williams calling for them to be shot.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 04, 2016 11:37 AM (FkBIv)

100 And by the law that established SSDI that is illegal fraud. SSDI is supposed to be paid ONLY if a person is unable to do ANY work.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 04, 2016 11:34 AM (t2KH5)

Not always, no. There is a provision that allows the individual to work for a period of time, provisional work, before they lose benefits, and will often only lose them up to the amount they are getting from work.

But really, most people mistake SSI from SSDI. SSI does NOT require the person to be unable to work.

Posted by: Ruby Oh! at January 04, 2016 11:37 AM (Dj0WE)

101 87 System seems to WANT her on disability, instead of working at a productive job.
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 04, 2016 11:25 AM (f7rv6)

My brother had an accident and can't do his old job. But he could get a different less physical job. But that doesn't seem to matter for disability? It's a weird, crazy system.

I also know people who retired early on 'disability' and then went and worked at kohls or something.
Posted by: Lea at January 04, 2016 11:28 AM (lIU4e)

I can understand this, at least from a certain perspective. I want to work. I want to be productive and feel useful. However after a while you get sick and tired of being tax cattle and an alimony ATM for your ex.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 04, 2016 11:38 AM (kpqmD)

102 The problem with SSDI besides the fact that it is socialism at its worse, is that the government has no group that polices it and prosecutes fraud. I have seen (and linked) estimates that as much as 50% of SSDI payouts are fraud or abuse. (Abuse being SSDI paid to children when children are not supposed to be eligible for SSDI)

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 04, 2016 11:38 AM (t2KH5)

103 It was supposed to happen this year but the DC Uniparty put it off another year to help Fredo.
Posted by: Soona at January 04, 2016 11:37 AM (Fmupd)
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Thank goodness for those stalwart Republicans always looking out for us little guys.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at January 04, 2016 11:39 AM (fBape)

104 I've also heard that you're aren't technically allowed by law to collect food stamps if you have something like $5,000 in assets, yet obviously 99% of these people have that.

Any truth to that?

Posted by: Tobasco at January 04, 2016 11:39 AM (+APs0)

105 I'm waiting as well for that proverbial, "sorry employees but it's more economically feasable to pay a penalty than provide insurance for you."
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at January 04, 2016 11:24 AM (fBape)

It's coming. And so is a major increase in the personal penalty for not having coverage.

Posted by: Mainah at January 04, 2016 11:39 AM (659DL)

106 Some days I wish I was amoral enough to game the system.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at January 04, 2016 11:39 AM (fBape)

107

Rubio/Phlegm 2016 - The Winning Choice

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 04, 2016 11:40 AM (kdS6q)

108 99 Allen Colmes calling OR protesters domestic terrorists.
Posted by: Soona

Montel Williams calling for them to be shot.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 04, 2016 11:37 AM (FkBIv)

Now if those Oregonians would have been black it would be different. Wouldn't it?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 04, 2016 11:40 AM (voOPb)

109 I have a friend that works at a prison, and one of his collegaues that works there is on military disability yet is able to be a corrections officer.

Tell me how that works.

And I agree that many people are happy gaming the system, they are not doing this out of survival.
Posted by: Tobasco at January 04, 2016 11:36 AM (+APs0)

Military service connection disability is very much abused, just like Social Security. However, there are many service men and women who are eligible for a service connection disability, who earned it, and are working in some area that is not affected by their disability. Very few people with a service connection disability are rated at 100% disable, and even those who are can sometimes still be employable.

Think of someone who has lost a limb or an eye. Or two. That person might still be able to be gainfully employed, and maybe needs to be for their sense of self-worth. They also deserve to have Uncle Sam paying them for their sacrifice.

Posted by: Ruby Oh! at January 04, 2016 11:41 AM (Dj0WE)

110 SSDI eleigability

You may be eligible for disability if you:

Cannot work due to a disabilityHave been (or are expected to be) disabled for at least 12 monthsAre under the age of 65

Have worked at least 5 of the last 10 years (SSDI) or have limited income (SSI)Have a doctor that can provide medical evidence to support your disability claim

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 04, 2016 11:41 AM (t2KH5)

111 Now if those Oregonians would have been black it would be different. Wouldn't it?

Or Dimocrats. Or SJW's. Or Occupoopers.

Or...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 04, 2016 11:42 AM (LUgeY)

112 I can understand this, at least from a certain perspective. I want to work. I want to be productive and feel useful. However after a while you get sick and tired of being tax cattle and an alimony ATM for your ex.

Word. I'm sick of being a sucker. At my age I don't think I get another start over if/when this gig goes poof. I may just make a case for disability and get it over with. (My disability: "I have been designated the evil whipping boy by TPTB, thus annihilating my ability to make a decent living. Fuck you, pay me.")

Posted by: Vlad in Moscow at January 04, 2016 11:42 AM (9krrF)

113 106 Some days I wish I was amoral enough to game the system.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at January 04, 2016 11:39 AM (fBape)

Join the club. It's not in me to do this, but goddamn if I don't feel like a chump and a sucker for all the years of hard work to pay for other people's shit at gunpoint.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 04, 2016 11:42 AM (kpqmD)

114 A little SciFi 'cheer' to start the New Year. A quick little story I just posted.

https://www.libertyislandmag.com/creator/atelier/content.html?ln=finalcontact

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 04, 2016 11:42 AM (/fW7M)

115 Lefties, like Alan Colmes: (a) know its insane bullshit to say to call Oregon protestors "domestic terrorists", but do anyway in an effort to make muslim terror appear less prominent, (b) don't believe this is domestic terror but want to somehow aid Progressive politicians who say it is, or (c) reflexively defend the state in any confrontation with individuals, because individuals are bad and are willing to call individuals any name that sounds "bad" in current news context.

I choose (d) All of the above.

Posted by: MTF at January 04, 2016 11:43 AM (TxJGV)

116 KSA vs. Iran!!!

This Sunday, Sunday, Sunday!

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Can they play three-handed and get Turkey in there too?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 04, 2016 11:43 AM (2TeCj)

117 When are we going to stop paying Rubio for not doing his job?

Bastard flaunts his no-show job every day he is on the campaign trail.

Give the money back, Rubio!

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 04, 2016 11:43 AM (YqcVw)

118 I'm waiting as well for that proverbial, "sorry employees but it's more economically feasable to pay a penalty than provide insurance for you."

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Depends on if employees will still want raises or are willing to take paycuts. Employee provided insurance has always been a tax-incentivised form of compensation. Nothing more.

Posted by: SH at January 04, 2016 11:44 AM (gmeXX)

119 14 re: Iran and Saudi Arabia. Plus places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

They look to DC and say aloud, "With a friend like that, who needs an enema?"
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 04, 2016 10:55 AM (/fW7M

Anna, and the boy king will back Iran.

So has John F-ing Kerry borrowed Hillary's broomstick to fly over for a peaceful reset meeting. Or is he going first class with James Taylor?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 04, 2016 11:44 AM (voOPb)

120
President Obama will be "subverting" Congress by taking executive action on gun control, Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said Monday. The Speaker warned of a "dangerous level of executive overreach" by the president.

"About which, I shall do nothing", Ryan added, then slithered away into a dark crevice.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 04, 2016 11:44 AM (kdS6q)

121 Now if those Oregonians would have been black it would be different. Wouldn't it?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 04, 2016 11:40 AM (voOPb)

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Strange how that works, huh?

Posted by: Soona at January 04, 2016 11:44 AM (Fmupd)

122 gp, an historical nit to pick, yet material and relevant. Non-financial commercial paper issuance was normal all the way into the 2008 "crisis". Real economic activity was not imperiled (at least immediately, and by a commercial paper freeze). This was pointed out at the time by a few financial bloggers, one from the industry, who knew which numbers meant what.

Just one more reason Bush's response to 2008 was almost entirely mistaken, not to mention disastrous. Of all the horrendous personnel choices he made (Powell, Tenet, Gen. Casey, the retarded intern who stepped in as the last press secretary), Paulson was the most disastrous, as it turned out.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 04, 2016 11:45 AM (QDnY+)

123 NOOD CLINTON RAPE POST

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 04, 2016 11:45 AM (wtvvX)

124 Da svedanya, rooski sock.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at January 04, 2016 11:45 AM (9krrF)

125 For domestic terrorists they aren't terrorizing me at all.

They should work on that.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - SMOD The Destroyer Of SCOAMFs now at the Outrage Outlet! at January 04, 2016 11:45 AM (hLRSq)

126 Well crap, Ruby Oh!, you've done it again.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 04, 2016 11:47 AM (Dj0WE)

127 My brother had an accident and can't do his old job. But he could get a different less physical job. But that doesn't seem to matter for disability? It's a weird, crazy system.

I also know people who retired early on 'disability' and then went and worked at kohls or something.

Posted by: Lea at January 04, 2016 11:28 AM (lIU4e)

Actually some weird math involved... she is now working a different job at her company for much less pay... but somehow Cal Disability Insurance pays 55% of the difference in salary... for a year...

Looking at it now... it looks like her company is hosing her for some reason... as they are trying to get state disability to pay for her medical treatment, instead of the insurance she pays for... and THOSE Doctors don't seem to want to do anything to fix the problem...

Hmmm....

Posted by: BB Wolf at January 04, 2016 11:47 AM (f7rv6)

128 104
I've also heard that you're aren't technically allowed by law to collect
food stamps if you have something like $5,000 in assets, yet obviously
99% of these people have that.

Any truth to that?

Posted by: Tobasco at January 04, 2016 11:39 AM (+APs0)

IIANM food stamp (EBT) eligibility varies by State. The federal guidelines for SNAP are as follows:

Resources

Households may have $2250 in countable resources, such as a bank
account, or $3250 in countable resources if at least one person is age
60 or older, or is disabled. However, certain resources are NOT
counted, such as a home and lot, the resources of people who receive
Supplemental Security Income (SSI), the resources of people who receive
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), and most retirement (pension) plans.
The procedures for handling vehicles are determined at the state level.
States have the option of substituting the vehicle rules used in their
TANF assistance programs for SNAP vehicle rules when it results in a
lower attribution of household assets. A number of States exclude the
entire value of the household's primary vehicle as an asset. In States
that count the value of vehicles, the fair market value of each licensed
vehicle that is not excluded is evaluated. Currently 33 States exclude
the value of all vehicles entirely. 15 States totally exclude the value
of at least one vehicle per household. The 2 remaining states exempt an
amount higher than the SNAP's standard auto exemption (currently set at
$4650) from the fair market value to determine the countable resource
value of a vehicle. For more information concerning State specific
vehicle policy, check with the State agency that administers the SNAP
program.

SO as you can see it is almost as easy as falling down to get food stamps if you are a deadbeat.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 04, 2016 11:47 AM (t2KH5)

129 Behold the unrecognizable political landscape that surrounds us.

In an election year, an incumbent prez is going to rile up the gun owners of the country (now having grown to a record level). Purely electively.

I think this is *one* (the last?) reliable "third rail" in most politics in the US (leaving aside a few states that are presidentially Dem anyway). So this is either an incredibly rash and political stupid move, or a reflection of how far gone things are.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 04, 2016 11:48 AM (QDnY+)

130 113 106 Some days I wish I was amoral enough to game the system.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at January 04, 2016 11:39 AM (fBape)

Join the club. It's not in me to do this, but goddamn if I don't feel like a chump and a sucker for all the years of hard work to pay for other people's shit at gunpoint.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 04, 2016 11:42 AM (kpqmD)

Amen, but i guess I have too many things i enjoy to do with a limited budget.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 04, 2016 11:48 AM (voOPb)

131 Actually my Muse, as I lay trying to sleep, sorted out how the bar scene should go. ... By the time I was finished, had written another 1,001 words and crossed the 28k words written mark.

I was prepping some entries for some very minor characters in my series to add to the wiki. In the course of doing so, I started adding more and more little details. Now, if you read through all the entries, they tell a couple of little stories; a war story and a murder mystery. King of an Easter Egg

Posted by: V the K at January 04, 2016 11:51 AM (O7MnT)

132 So this is either an incredibly rash and political stupid move, or a reflection of how far gone things are.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 04, 2016 11:48 AM (QDnY+)

It is the spoiled boy syndrome. What I want is what I will get. As no one will oppose me.

You can tell he was an only child who gamed the white man's world and the minority man's world. Before SMOD comes I hope Karma meets him.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 04, 2016 11:51 AM (voOPb)

133 "If you take out the combination of Government deficit spending, and the amount of Quantitative easing, out of the GDP.... We have been in a depression for years."

I don't disagree, but when I talk about the stock market, I'm not referring to the true state of the economy, just the buying and selling opportunities of timing the cycles. I bought the bottom between Dec 31 2008 and Mar 9 2009, and sold (a bit too early) in July 2014. I'd love to get another buying opportunity, but I am not wishing to see the world at the brink of the abyss like 2008 again.

I think you could buy XLE today if you can hold it for five years, despite the sector's crappy debt condition. I'll buy FXI below 31, despite the fact that China is an opaque rotten house-of-cards, because I know it will come back before I expect to croak.

Posted by: gp at January 04, 2016 11:53 AM (+Jpqc)

134 Military service connection disability is very much abused, just like Social Security. However, there are many service men and women who are eligible for a service connection disability, who earned it, and are working in some area that is not affected by their disability. Very few people with a service connection disability are rated at 100% disable, and even those who are can sometimes still be employable.

Think of someone who has lost a limb or an eye. Or two. That person might still be able to be gainfully employed, and maybe needs to be for their sense of self-worth. They also deserve to have Uncle Sam paying them for their sacrifice.
Posted by: Ruby Oh!
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And you could be 100% right, but if you can work a demanding full time job like that, some federal agency should be able to strip you of saying you're disabled with just the most basic of audits.

And this guy is not missing a limb or anything like that, it's something bullshit like PTSD.

Posted by: Tobasco at January 04, 2016 11:54 AM (+APs0)

135 I think this is *one* (the last?) reliable "third rail" in most politics in the US (leaving aside a few states that are presidentially Dem anyway). So this is either an incredibly rash and political stupid move, or a reflection of how far gone things are.
Posted by: rhomboid

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Democrats have a big blind spot when it comes to the politics of guns. Their leadership is almost exlusivley big urban cities, they live in a bubble and don't understand.

Posted by: Tobasco at January 04, 2016 11:56 AM (+APs0)

136 I saw Bionic Penis open for The Clash, Memorial Auditorium, Buffalo, 1982

How Liberals Are The New Autocrats

My eyes glaze over anymore at any article that starts with "Why...", "How..." or "10 Reasons Why or How..."

It's become an epidemic.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat! at January 04, 2016 11:57 AM (HMt16)

137 Alan Colmes is calling them domestic terrorists.
Montel wants them shot.

But, "student activists" take over college admin buildings, or "occupy" public parks, and that is Okey Dokey because social justice or something something.

Let's face it. They wan't them "handled" because they are white men with firearms.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 04, 2016 11:59 AM (kKHcp)

138 Hey: Laurie Anderson (remember her?) is holding a concert for dogs.

Wonder if they'll play Carl Arff's "Car-chaser Barkana"?

Perhaps a little Barkmaminov? Tchaikarfsky?

I'll stop now.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat! at January 04, 2016 12:02 PM (HMt16)

139 I would be willing to bet almost everyone here knows at least one person playing the disability game.

This really needs to be reformed, if I were depending on SS for my
retirement, I would want a clamp down on this gaming of the system.
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Yep. I know several who are perfectly able to work who are on SSDI.

Many people like sucking off the sweet, sweet milk of gubbermint teat. And Democrats have made it easy for them. It's an easy way to guarantee Democrat votes. Even easier than calling up the dead to vote...

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at January 04, 2016 12:05 PM (9JJgN)

140 Anna Puma: "A little SciFi 'cheer' to start the New Year. A quick little story I just posted."

Well! That was... abupt!

Posted by: mindful webworker - short and... uh... short at January 04, 2016 12:10 PM (FDy65)

141 The obamacare penalties are not even a tax really. You don't have to pay them. All you have to do is makes sure at the end of each tax year, you owe income tax. You pay that income tax when you file your return but do not pay the o'care penalty.

There is no enforcement mechanism. The IRS cannot even send you dunning letters to demand payment.

You only have to be smart enough to make sure to withhold less or reduce your estimated payment to make sure you owe every year. So long as you are ok with not giving the government interest free loans (when you get a income tax refund, you have in effect given an interest free loan to uncle sam), you can even avoid paying the penalty.

Not hard really

Posted by: Jeffrey at January 04, 2016 12:35 PM (mXv3y)

142 And this guy is not missing a limb or anything like that, it's something bullshit like PTSD.

Neurons are in a sense like tiny wires carrying an electric signal. Like any tiny wire there is a limit to the amount of signal that they can carry without overloading and burning out. PTSD is when the signal overload of combat has caused enough physical damage to the nervous system that the damage becomes apparent. No - real PTSD isn't bullshit - it is genuine physical damage to the central nervous system.

Having your heart ripped out of your chest by somebody you love can cause you to vomit up large amounts of blood. Ask me how I know that.

Posted by: An Observation at January 04, 2016 12:47 PM (x3Hgm)

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