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Ex-Lobsterman who fought off intruder could face eviction for gunAfter a rash of break ins at his apartment complex, fearing for his safety, this man went out and bought a gun for protection (he won't say where, which is interesting, but as I understand it, that would only be a problem if he is legally prohibited from owning a gun). He was apparently right to be fearful, because the next day someone broke into his home and he shot them. Now he's fighting being evicted because of gun possession. I miss the days when the country made sense. Someone breaks into your house, you shoot them, the cops who respond look at you and say “Good job”.
Law-abiding Gun Owners Never Save Lives Gun Owners Stop Four Life-Threatening Incidents In Five Days During The Christmas Season POST-PARIS: Armed Citizens Move To Defend Store After Hearing Shots Murder rates drop as concealed carry permits soar
Situational Awareness This video was shot in Chicago (of course). It appears to show a cop gunning down a criminal who was in the process of complying with orders.....or does it? It is fortunate that there were multiple officers and a videographer on scene or this might have become another Tamir Rice situation.
Very Disturbing Video On the other hand, we get this courtesy of Bob Owens. I don't know what to call this except attempted murder, truly I don't.
Feaster is in pursuit of Thomas, but it’s unclear whether or not Thomas was aware that Feaster was behind him. The first we clearly see of Thomas’s SUV is when it has already flipped and is sliding to a stop at :54 into the film. Feaster’s police cruiser comes to a halt a short distance from the the SUV. Thomas’s wife Darien Ehorn has been ejected from the vehicle and is critically injured or already dead directly in front of the overturned vehicle (her image is blurred out in the video).Officer Feaster wasn't charged. GOTW Answer That is a Walther P-38. So what? They're as common a grass. That may be, but this particular one was at my local gun shop, which was handling the FFL transfer. No, what makes this particular gun interesting is its serial number:
At 1:05, you see the first clear signs of Mr. Thomas beginning to emerge from the SUV, which is laying on it’s side. He puts both hands up through the shattered side door window and presses down with both arms to lift himself up.
At 1:07 you see Officer Feaster enter the left side frame of the camera with his hand on his pistol. As Thomas presses down to propel himself up and out of the vehicle, Officer Feaster draws his pistol, extends it directly at Thomas and presses off a single shot at 1:08 as soon as his arm reaches full extension, as captured below.
Open Carry - Good Idea? Felon Attacks Open Carrier for His Weapon In Washington Walmart This is why I'm not a big fan of open carry. I suppose if everyone, or a majority of the population, were carrying openly then it might not be such an issue, but when only scattered people are carrying openly it puts a target on their back. I'd go even further and speculate that if there is another 9/11 scale attack, and if army or national guard troops are deployed to guard key installations or infrastructure, that those troops might be targeted for their weapons. If a terrorist wants an M-4, what easier way to get one than by ambushing a bored guard watching a power substation? Far-fetched? Maybe, but consider that that was the entire strategy behind the FP-45 Liberator pistol in WWII. Defensive Gun Use of the Week Woman Shoots, Kills Home Invasion Suspect in Trotwood
TROTWOOD -- A home invasion suspect is dead after police say a mother fought back. Trotwood police say three males kicked in the back door of a home on Atlas Drive. They forced a woman who was doing laundry into a back room with two children. two other children were asleep on a couch. The ages of the children range from 10 to 16 years old. While one of the suspects held the woman at gunpoint with a TEC-9 automatic submachine gun, Trotwood Police Capt. John Porter said the two other suspects tried to steal a safe in the home. Porter said the woman grabbed a gun in the home and shot the armed suspect and all three then fled the home. When police arrived, they say they found one suspect dead in a neighbor's side yard. Police say they found TEC-9 under him. The other two suspects fled the area in an unknown vehicle. Police say an autopsy found that the suspect died of a single gunshot to the left shoulder. That bullet pierced a major artery before exiting the right shoulder.Bolding mine. I'll eat my gun safe if this two bit thug actually did have an "automatic submachine gun". Not clear if that came from the reporter or the cops, but whoever it is has been watching too much Die Hard, ho ho ho. Today's thread brought to you by empowerment
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(Jump to bottom of comments)Which drove a Facebook lib into a paroxysm of rage:
"MORE VIGILANTE TEA PARTY GUN CULTURE INJUSTICE, what ever happened to the RIGHT of bring INNOCENT until being found GUILTY in a COURT of LAW which works if you let it, instead of taking the LAW into your own hands, and become Judge, Jury, and self anointed VIGILANTE EXECUTIONER."
Posted by: V the K at January 01, 2016 03:27 PM (G/+Ma)
Posted by: MAx at January 01, 2016 03:29 PM (LAliD)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 03:31 PM (rwI+c)
Ha! It's called being caught in the act genius
Posted by: Lea at January 01, 2016 03:33 PM (vmMMi)
I believe it.
I have a Hi-Standard .22 automatic revolver machine gun. It will fire each time I pull the trigger.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 01, 2016 03:33 PM (1xUj/)
Life in 2015 was beyond parody, and I expect 2016 to just be more so.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 01, 2016 03:36 PM (erRNA)
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Maybe said libidiot should stare down the barrel of a bad guy's TEC9 for a bit and then come back and make their case. Nothing can focus your mind like fear for your life.
Posted by: Old Blue at January 01, 2016 03:36 PM (9iR5/)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 03:36 PM (jJRIy)
Confusion of categories is the curse of our times. That, and the malignant narcissism of the ill educated.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 03:37 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 03:37 PM (OEWRk)
Very Disturbing Video
On the other hand, we get this courtesy of Bob Owens. I don't know what to call this except attempted murder, truly I don't.
Andrew Thomas succumbed to his wounds and died later on.
Posted by: Mohammed Mahmoud Muhammed at January 01, 2016 03:37 PM (kpqmD)
The noise on this is just shows the stupidity of the MSM and NY Slime
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 03:38 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 01, 2016 03:38 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 01, 2016 03:38 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: Willy J. at January 01, 2016 03:41 PM (wHX4r)
"Mooooom they're all in a concentrated area."
LOL. That's the idea.
Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise.
Posted by: Weirddave at January 01, 2016 03:41 PM (N8hFs)
What about the thug with the gun who was threatening to do that? Do you hate women because it seems you are fine with women being victims.
And dip-wad, that is 'being innocent' and not bring INNONCENT.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 03:41 PM (OEWRk)
Which drove a Facebook lib into a paroxysm of rage:
"MORE VIGILANTE TEA PARTY GUN CULTURE INJUSTICE, what ever happened to the RIGHT of bring INNOCENT until being found GUILTY in a COURT of LAW which works if you let it, instead of taking the LAW into your own hands, and become Judge, Jury, and self anointed VIGILANTE EXECUTIONER."
Posted by: V the K at January 01, 2016 03:27 PM (G/+Ma)
And people like that will cheer as we are herded into the camps. Serves us right. We had it coming.
Posted by: rickl at January 01, 2016 03:44 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 03:46 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 03:46 PM (hVdx9)
That second video is straight up execution by cop. Sickening. Not sure any extenuating circumstances would ever justify that video...unless the guy just raped the cop's kid...other than THAT, I got nothing.
Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at January 01, 2016 03:47 PM (Qj6zv)
Posted by: Nip Sip
****
His back was to me.
(that was a great line from El Diablo)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 03:47 PM (hVdx9)
#8! Holy cow. Bet that one cost a pretty penny.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 03:46 PM (hVdx9)
Let's hope he didn't pass back ground check and it will be back on the market.
Speaking of that. What is the hordes favorite 9mm small carry gun. I have a Ruger LCP 380 is it worth moving up?
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 03:48 PM (jJRIy)
#8! Holy cow. Bet that one cost a pretty penny.
According to the gun shop owner, they guy got it for about $3K less than he could easily sell it for. so not just cool, lucky too.
Posted by: Weirddave at January 01, 2016 03:50 PM (N8hFs)
Wonder if he was charged or found guilty?
Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 03:51 PM (WVvzl)
Speaking of that. What is the hordes favorite 9mm small carry gun. I have a Ruger LCP 380 is it worth moving up?
Posted by: Nip Sip
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I'd have to sell a kidney to afford it. No, not one of mine. Anyone want to go camping?
Favorite compact 9mm - Kahr CW9
Sure only 7 rounds, but very soft shooting and controllable.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 03:51 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Butch at January 01, 2016 03:53 PM (hXu8T)
Posted by: Butch at January 01, 2016 03:54 PM (hXu8T)
Posted by: Weirdd
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If I had that kind of luck, I'd be afraid to cross the street. I have Al Bundy luck.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 03:54 PM (hVdx9)
Wonder if he was charged or found guilty?
Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 03:51 PM (WVvzl)
No. The DA ruled it an accident and declined to file charges. However, that was before he died.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 01, 2016 03:54 PM (kpqmD)
A) There was video from INSIDE the home, too, and
2) WHY did she have video inside the home?
Some other questions arise from those, no?
Posted by: speedster1 at January 01, 2016 03:55 PM (vUcdz)
And how does one get to "everyone, or a majority," without first going through the "only scattered people" stage, hmmm?
Posted by: mindful webworker - early adopter at January 01, 2016 03:55 PM (mf0wg)
Do this before loading the gun, obviously.
And it won't work on DA only revolvers, equally obviously.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 03:56 PM (rwI+c)
A) There was video from INSIDE the home, too, and
2) WHY did she have video inside the home?
Some other questions arise from those, no?
Posted by: speedster1
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Lots of male traffic?
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 03:57 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Dave with a Brain at January 01, 2016 03:57 PM (0a1T6)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 03:57 PM (jJRIy)
My understanding is that the main advantage of OC is to avoid brandishing charges if one's concealed piece ...er... accidentally unconceals.
Posted by: speedster1 at January 01, 2016 03:57 PM (vUcdz)
Posted by: speedster1 at January 01, 2016 03:55 PM (vUcdz)
Wild guess: child monitoring, possibly including monitoring while away (babysitter).
Wild guess #2: someone like a babysitter or a cleaner spread word they had a safe with valuables in it.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 03:58 PM (bLnSU)
http://tinyurl.com/pvwqyjv
Posted by: V the K at January 01, 2016 03:59 PM (G/+Ma)
Posted by: speedster1 at January 01, 2016 03:59 PM (vUcdz)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 03:59 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: speedster1 at January 01, 2016 04:00 PM (vUcdz)
I see the DA is using the Russian definition for accident.
How can it be found that the intentional act of drawing your weapon coupled with the intentional act of putting your finger on the trigger and proceeding to intentionally pull the trigger - TWICE, Be said to be accidental?
Incredible!
Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:00 PM (WVvzl)
22k words. Destroyed the Golden Gate. Bay Bridge iffy. Alcatraz is a 'temporary confinement center' in story. Should I put in a mini-tsunami?
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:01 PM (OEWRk)
I don't know. Lot's of people now a days have video in homes all the time. Some systems run an endless loop 24/7.
She also had three kids in the house. Most hooks don't have kids hanging around. Why does she have a safe? Drug dealer?
That would be my guess, these guys didn't show up at her house randomly.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:01 PM (jJRIy)
I've reviewed the original source footage from the Paradise PD dashcam probably 20 times. I've also been briefed by investigators that reviewed the incident, including extensive interviews with Officer Feaster, Andrew Thomas, and the other two officers on scene. Note that the other two officers had bodycams as well, and I have reviewed those, as well.
The DA's office's initial charging decision occurred several weeks ago, when Thomas was still alive. As a result, the only possible charge would be assault. Assault requires an intentional act.
We are convinced that Officer Feaster did not intentionally fire his service weapon. This is based on his statements and the video. If you do a frame by frame analysis on the video, you will see that 1) Feaster did not have both feet on the ground; 2) there is a notable flinch after the discharge which is not consistent with an intentional shot; 3) the shot occurred about one second after Feaster drew his weapon; 4) Feaster only fired one round. Department training, which Feaster regularly attended throughout his 6 year career, taught to plant both feet in a firm stance, go on target BEFORE placing a finger on the trigger, and fire two rounds, evaluate, and fire two more if necessary. These factors are inconsistent with an intentional act.
When interviewed, Feaster indicated that he was initially unsure if he actually fired the weapon. While this may seem unbelievable from where you are sitting, interviews with dozens of experienced officers and surveys of published literature regarding officer shootings show that this is not an uncommon phenomena. Individuals in high stress situations tend to fixate on perceived threats and ignore or reason away facts that were not the focus of attention. In fact, it is very common for officers to not actually hear their weapons firing due to the sudden stress of a deadly encounter.
Our investigation concluded that Officer Feaster most likely negligently placed his finger on the trigger, rather than along the slide of his department-issued .45 Glock, and that the weapon unintentionally discharged when he pointed it at Thomas.
In light of that finding, we could not prove, beyond a reasonable doubt to 12 people drawn from the community that Officer Feaster committed an assault with a deadly weapon.
While we agree that Officer Feaster actions showed a lack of discipline, competence, and integrity (in that he waited almost 11 minutes to admit that he may have shot Thomas,) none of those things are crimes. I understand that this is unsatisfying, but it is the state of the law.
Now that Thomas has died, we are reviewing the facts anew. Negligent homicide, unlike assault, can be the result of an omission or failure to perform a duty. Expect a charging decision in the next week or two. Be aware, however, that are standard is not "was this a bad thing that happened." Clearly this was, but our standard is whether or not we can prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, to all 12 strangers drawn from the community, that every element of the charged offense is true. Despite how bad the video looks, this is not a clear cut and obvious case.
Posted by: Jeff Greeson at January 01, 2016 04:02 PM (NplB/)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 03:57 PM (jJRIy)
200 ft.lbs. vs. 380-450 ft.lbs.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:03 PM (bLnSU)
I would never open carry.
Now I understand why people push for it as a way to instill greater public acceptance for people bearing arms but it would be better if they used that energy to agitate for universal concealed carry.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:03 PM (WVvzl)
Posted by: Nip Sip
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Yes, but it hits harder. My Kahr is less snappy than a .380 Makarov I had.
Plus ammo is easier to find and at times cheaper than .380.
As much as I like .380, I feel better with 9mm.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:04 PM (hVdx9)
Anyone gone through this?
Posted by: .87c at January 01, 2016 04:04 PM (APdPY)
Posted by: Dan8224 at January 01, 2016 04:07 PM (eaQV7)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:01 PM (OEWRk)
As long as it makes sense (mind you Alcatraz would become a bad place to be).
Don't make it a "San Andreas Tsunami" that moves *toward* the epicenter and then stays for hours as if it was afraid to go back out to sea.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:07 PM (bLnSU)
Are you asking how to establish club membership or competency?
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:07 PM (rwI+c)
Happy New Year Merovign.
22k words. Destroyed the Golden Gate.
Bay Bridge iffy. Alcatraz is a 'temporary confinement center' in story.
Should I put in a mini-tsunami?
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:01 PM (OEWRk)
Which fault did you use? And, BTW, you probably wouldn't lose the Golden Gate bridge, itself, because it's built like a brick telephone booth......but the approaches to it are tissue paper by comparison. You could leave the main span hanging out there with no way to get on or off.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 01, 2016 04:08 PM (EzgxV)
I don't know who you are but the video clearly shows intent.
He draws his weapon, he raises and points his weapon at the suspect, he intentionally puts his finger on the trigger, he fires twice.
Clear intent.
Unjustified use of deadly force.
Should have been charged.
Should be in jail.
Period.
End of Story.
Have a nice day.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:08 PM (WVvzl)
.380 has trouble hitting the velocity needed to do that. 9mm even in compact firearms has much less of a problem in that area.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:08 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Just some guy at January 01, 2016 04:10 PM (yxw0r)
Posted by: Deanimator at January 01, 2016 04:10 PM (41YTI)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:10 PM (OEWRk)
What's the difference between Ruger 9mm ammo and regular 9mm ammo?
Posted by: tbodie at January 01, 2016 04:11 PM (S3Inb)
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at January 01, 2016 04:11 PM (z3Leh)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:12 PM (OEWRk)
Posted by: Jeff Greeson at January 01, 2016 04:02 PM (NplB/)
Well, I'll be darned. Seems like a well-reasoned statement.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 01, 2016 04:12 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:13 PM (WVvzl)
What's the difference between Ruger 9mm ammo and regular 9mm ammo?
Posted by: tbodie at January 01, 2016 04:11 PM (S3Inb)
Don't know what you mean exactly. Do you mean 9mm Luger? If so, that's just another name for 9mm parabellum or 9x19, which are all what we commonly think of as 9mm.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 01, 2016 04:14 PM (kpqmD)
That's pretty strong, isn't it?
Wasn't Northridge a 6.7 ?
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:14 PM (rwI+c)
When there is a run on ammo, 9mm gets priority over .380. Why?
Short answer: Demand/profit
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:14 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:15 PM (OEWRk)
9mm ranges from 90 to 147 gr, and about the widest selection of bullet design possible. Most common are 115 and 124 gr. Varies from 1000 to 1400 fps.
Bullet design and velocity should be matched, and sometimes it's hard to get that information. Hollow point designs need different velocities to expand reliably.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:16 PM (bLnSU)
# 46, can you tell me what justification the officer had for drawing his weapon in the first place? Is it common for officers in your jurisdiction to approach traffic accidents with drawn weapons? I've been in a rollover car crash, and my first action was to crawl out of the window as Mr. Thomas did. Is that considered a hostile act?
Posted by: Weirddave at January 01, 2016 04:16 PM (N8hFs)
Then you will have lots of fictional damage I'm guessing.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:16 PM (rwI+c)
I have a safe in my house (other than the one for guns). It is fire rated and I keep important documents in it.
I also have cameras because I'm to cheap to get a full security system and they are cheap way to see what is going on when I'm away from home.
Both these things aren't really suspicious IMO.
Posted by: Willy J. at January 01, 2016 04:16 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:10 PM (OEWRk)
IANAG*, but I don't think that would cause a tsunami.
(*I am not a geologist)
Posted by: rickl at January 01, 2016 04:17 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: rrpjr at January 01, 2016 04:17 PM (5bF49)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 01, 2016 04:17 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:18 PM (OEWRk)
Otherwise, in rare and controlled conditions, the wearing of a full BBQ rig for certain social outings is heartily endorsed.
But for just yutzing around town, with an open carried sidearm.... I'm disinclined to participate in that as a practice.
Still, the law is to our favor. Simple things like not having to grab a sport coat before you get out of the truck...you can get out, stand up, put the coat on....and your 20 seconds or so of Open Carry are no longer an offense.
I'm more fully in favor of Constitutional Carry though.
Open Carry is legal in more than 40 other states.
So, unless you can begin to post hundreds of stories of Open Carry Mayhem from those Open Carry states, all the concerns are only that.
And beating that drum once that question has been duly answered..... isn't that the theme song of the Concern Troll ?
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at January 01, 2016 04:18 PM (McRlu)
I am as pro cop as anyone and I don't feel it was reasoned at all.
Following the link and watching other videos and reading other accounts.
The officer not only used unjustified deadly force he tried to cover what he did by retrieving his bullet casings and not informing other officers what had happened.
He told other officers on the scene that the guy was refusing to get out of the car and didn't tell them that he shot him.
He refused to call for an ambulance and only admitted what he had done when it became apparent to everyone he shot him.
Then they tried to cover it still by trying to "find out" if maybe he had been shot at the bar he had left.
Nonsensical twaddle is what that was.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:18 PM (WVvzl)
Yes I know it's an approximation of an approximation, but if a bullet doesn't perform here it is more likely to fail in the real world.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/necdob4
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:20 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:03 PM (bLnSU)
What?
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:20 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:21 PM (WVvzl)
Ciao.
Cthulhu perhaps should let you read what I have written and see if you giggle to death at all my goofs.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:22 PM (OEWRk)
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at January 01, 2016 04:23 PM (yxw0r)
Ciao.
Cthulhu perhaps should let you read what I have written and see if you giggle to death at all my goofs.
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Anna, better them than me! Have fun.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:23 PM (hVdx9)
I get the news for the new year that the feds are gonna house 1000 illegal alien "children" about 1 mile from my house. Lib congressman assures us they will not leave the converted warehouse and have no contact with public.
Uh huh.
Bastards.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 04:24 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:24 PM (rwI+c)
7.6 on the north San Andreas up at Bodega Bay.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:10 PM (OEWRk)
It's strike-slip, so would probably be unlikely to generate significant tsunamis in SF -- the west (wet) side would lurch north compared to the east side. I could envision Point Reyes seeing some problems as it pushes forward into the Pacific....or areas north getting some....but that might not be part of the story you want to tell.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 01, 2016 04:24 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:24 PM (OEWRk)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:03 PM (bLnSU)
What?
Posted by: Nip Sip
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A bit of dyslexia there.
That was a reference to foot pounds of energy the bullet has.
9mm has more than .380 and he had it backwards.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:25 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: tbodie at January 01, 2016 04:11 PM (S3Inb)
Ruger doesn't make ammunition, AFAIK. Ruger *brands* some PolyCase ARX ammunition, which is basically a lightweight copper/polymer bullet with "propeller cuts" to enhance rotation after impact at somewhat higher than normal velocities (because the bullets are lighter).
I don't think there's enough information yet to determine whether that's better or worse.
I would guess "effective if unobstructed and the target is not exceptionally large", because these are similar to Glaser or other frangible bullets.
http://bit.ly/1YUaDFo
They're getting all the press right now but similar designs have been around since the 90s or 80s at least.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:27 PM (bLnSU)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 01, 2016 04:27 PM (kTF2Z)
78
@63
I am as pro cop as anyone and I don't feel it was reasoned at all.
Following the link and watching other videos and reading other accounts.
The
officer not only used unjustified deadly force he tried to cover what
he did by retrieving his bullet casings and not informing other officers
what had happened.
He told other officers on the scene that the guy was refusing to get out of the car and didn't tell them that he shot him.
He refused to call for an ambulance and only admitted what he had done when it became apparent to everyone he shot him.
Then they tried to cover it still by trying to "find out" if maybe he had been shot at the bar he had left.
Nonsensical twaddle is what that was.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:18 PM (WVvzl)
We'll know for sure if he's charged with negligent homicide.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 01, 2016 04:27 PM (EzgxV)
So the 9mm has over twice the pressure as a 380/aka a 9 mm short?
That doesn't sound right to me
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:29 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: Old Blue at January 01, 2016 04:29 PM (9iR5/)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:30 PM (OEWRk)
The Bob Owens link is broken so I can't get to the rest of the story.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2016 04:30 PM (8PbKi)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:30 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Eromero at January 01, 2016 04:31 PM (b+df9)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 01, 2016 04:31 PM (R+30W)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:32 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:32 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: rrpjr at January 01, 2016 04:17 PM (5bF49)
LA was placed under a court order to issue a certain number of permits about 10-12 years ago.
A year or two ago they were held in contempt for not having done it.
They still haven't.
Basically the law says you can get a permit and the politicians are in defiance of the law.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:32 PM (bLnSU)
We shall see indeed.
And this nonsense that he only fired once.
You can clearly see from the video he fired two shots.
Seriously, that's some 1984 level shit of 2+2=5 nonsense from the DA.
Now I understand why they want to claim he only fired once but that is a bunch of bullshit.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:32 PM (WVvzl)
Here is a link for .380
http://preview.tinyurl.com/29el67y
For 9mm
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3j5sk97
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:33 PM (hVdx9)
45 ball is big at 230 grains but moving slower, so about 350ft/lbs iirc.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:33 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:33 PM (OEWRk)
http://tinyurl.com/7wc9fvz
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:34 PM (jJRIy)
That doesn't sound right to me
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:29 PM (jJRIy)
You are correct. 9mm pressures are about 1.5 times the 380 - 30,000 to 20,000.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 01, 2016 04:35 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Old Blue at January 01, 2016 04:35 PM (9iR5/)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:35 PM (hVdx9)
Alfred Hitchcock already trashed the place with The Birds.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:24 PM (OEWRk)
That was shot in Bodega, not Bodega Bay, gosh darn it. I wanna win the lottery, buy a little place near the marina, and live out my days drinking Irish coffee, listening to the buoys, and watching the crab boats head out into the fog at o-dark-thirty every morning. Maybe make chainsaw sculptures of yellow-slickered fishermen, and seagulls on piles. And drinking lots of quality Sonoma wines.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at January 01, 2016 04:35 PM (yxw0r)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:35 PM (rwI+c)
http://tinyurl.com/j3as3v7
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:36 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 01, 2016 04:36 PM (R+30W)
Posted by: Weirddave at January 01, 2016 04:36 PM (N8hFs)
I mean you can here his own words on the body cam claiming the driver is refusing to get out of the car, BECAUSE YOU SHOT HIM DICK HEAD!!!
Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:36 PM (WVvzl)
Most .380 cartridges are right around 200 ft.lbs. of energy at the muzzle (less at a distance).
Most 9mm cartridges are between Three Hundred Eighty (380) and Four Hundred Fifty (450), thus the confusion. That 380 was not .380.
Most .45 Auto cartridges run between 350-550 ft. lbs. energy.
Extra confusion: there are exotic cartridges ranging from high pressure (+p+) to lightweight bullets at high velocity that are outside those ranges.
Even more confusion: bullet design is at least as important as energy.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:37 PM (bLnSU)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:37 PM (hVdx9)
Thanks, way too much information, ha ha. Looks like generally 45 is about 400-500 and 9 is around 300-400.
My LCP has a laser pointer and is a nice pocket gun. Might just save $500 and stay with the 380
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:38 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: Fritz at January 01, 2016 04:39 PM (BngQR)
So the cop shot a man trying to escape a horrific rollover crash then tells dispatch that the man refuses to exit the vehicle.
The Bob Owens link is broken so I can't get to the rest of the story.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2016 04:30 PM (8PbKi)
From the DA's statement above, he doubted that he could get a jury to convict -- and the guy was still alive and could likely sue the officer.... Once the guy died, he has a much, much easier case for negligent homicide.
We'll see how much of that was PR and how much was real if/when he charges the negligent homicide.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 01, 2016 04:39 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 04:39 PM (ODxAs)
*sigh* Fixed.
Posted by: Weirddave at January 01, 2016 04:39 PM (N8hFs)
I generally don't OC.
However, states with constitutional carry or OC laws are states I don't have to worry about getting arrested in because the butt of my pistol gets caught on my clothing and exposed.
Posted by: Kristophr at January 01, 2016 04:40 PM (jLXo8)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:40 PM (hVdx9)
http://tinyurl.com/7wc9fvz
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:34 PM (jJRIy)
Not a rail mounted laser, because no rail, but Crimson Trace makes one that goes over the trigger guard:
http://tinyurl.com/o3nlsfj
Posted by: Country Singer at January 01, 2016 04:41 PM (GUBah)
Grumpy, Niven and Pournelle already wrote that - Lucifer's Hammer.
This story is not about the earthquake, the quake sets in motion the events I am writing about.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:42 PM (OEWRk)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 01, 2016 04:14 PM (kpqmD)
Thanks Insomniac. I did mean Luger. My 1st brain fart of 2016.
Posted by: tbodie at January 01, 2016 04:42 PM (S3Inb)
Otherwise, in rare and controlled conditions, the wearing of a full BBQ rig for certain social outings is heartily endorsed.
But for just yutzing around town, with an open carried sidearm.... I'm disinclined to participate in that as a practice.
Still, the law is to our favor. Simple things like not having to grab a sport coat before you get out of the truck...you can get out, stand up, put the coat on....and your 20 seconds or so of Open Carry are no longer an offense.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This x1 trillion!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 01, 2016 04:42 PM (oBghv)
Posted by: Nip Sip
****
Sorry for the blizzard. I like to give too much as opposed to too little.
Or, you could buy the Kahr CW9 and the laser setup, and make the LCP your backup. 2 guns better than one...
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:42 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Kristophr at January 01, 2016 04:40 PM (jLXo
Most useful reason to OC for me is while hunting, hiking, or camping. In town/around lots of people I'll CC.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 01, 2016 04:43 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 01, 2016 04:43 PM (R+30W)
The percussion caps are the #10 size.
It has been well-kept. Dad bought it new in the 60s and I am the one who put the most number of rounds through it.
Wanting to take it to an indoor range (yes, adequately ventilated for black powder shooting) I was wondering what is available today for black powder. Aren't there types in use today that make cleanup a little easier?
Posted by: the littl shyning man at January 01, 2016 04:43 PM (U6f54)
Though I already called dibs on tonight's Mega jackpot of $80 million cash.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:44 PM (OEWRk)
Posted by: the littl shyning man"
------------------
APP (American Pioneer Powder) or Triple7.
Be aware that Triple 7 is pretty hot stuff. And make sure you get the muzzleloader type, not the cartridge type. A web search of either of these should tell you all you need to know.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 01, 2016 04:45 PM (/pB9Z)
*snort*
From a leftist, who gladly accuses anything on anyone with zero evidence.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at January 01, 2016 04:46 PM (WWdgA)
Holy shit for $178 that laser better guarantee a kill every shot.
$178 Thanks for the link. I am going to pass.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:48 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:42 PM (hVdx9)
ha ha ha. I actually have TWO LCP with lasers, a K Tec 380 and three Seacamp 380s.
I love the little Seacamps, they are small as shit, but heavy since they are all SS.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:50 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at January 01, 2016 04:51 PM (WWdgA)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:52 PM (rwI+c)
Crimson Trace makes good stuff.
Sure you can find cheaper, but then reliability generally goes down.
I like this one, but don't plan to buy it anytime soon.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/jeqm4np
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:52 PM (hVdx9)
This is one of the many thing that infuriates me...
From the DA statement....
"When interviewed, Feaster indicated that he was initially unsure if he actually fired the weapon."
"...In fact, it is very common for officers to not actually hear their
weapons firing due to the sudden stress of a deadly encounter."
REALLY???
In fact that's what offices say when they don't want to fess up to having fired their weapon.
It's fucking Dirty Harry bullshittery.
Well in all of the excitement I didn't realize I just fired two shot into an unarmed, defenseless non-threatening suspect.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:52 PM (WVvzl)
Posted by: Jeff Greeson at January 01, 2016 04:53 PM (NplB/)
Posted by: tbodie at January 01, 2016 04:42 PM (S3Inb)
Now I'm confused. 9mm Luger *is* regular 9mm.
9mm is kind of confusing, though, I mean, 9mmx23 and 9mm Largo are close to the same dimensions, but if you load 9x23 Winchester in a 9x23 Largo gun you might lose a finger.
There are something like twenty 9mm cartridges, *not* including 9x18, which is 9.25mm.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:53 PM (bLnSU)
If you want a cleaner black powder, I suggest using Swiss 3Fg in a pistol.
http://mainepowderhouse.com/
Posted by: Kristophr at January 01, 2016 04:55 PM (jLXo8)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 01, 2016 04:55 PM (GUBah)
I love the little Seacamps, they are small as shit, but heavy since they are all SS.
Posted by: Nip Sip
****
My dad loved his Kel-Tec in .32acp.
I like my P11.
I tend to avoid lasers as I've had bad luck with battery operated gun stuff.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:56 PM (hVdx9)
I think SF would probably have an unusually low tide followed by a high tide "out of order" with its usual time, but I'm no tsunami expert.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:56 PM (bLnSU)
I believe he fired twice. I believe a jury seeing that video would find he fired twice.
What was the chain of custody for the officers weapon?
He could have easily placed another round in his weapon to facilitate an accidental discharge claim.
Not buying it, not buying any of it.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:58 PM (WVvzl)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:59 PM (rwI+c)
I remember when finding Seacamps was like trying to find unicorns.
You have done quite well.
I still say consider a move to 9mm.
Full disclosure, I carry 9mm, but have moved to .45 acp.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:59 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: CountrySinger
Part of the propaganda push for Barack Obama's next push to do something the Constitution and Supreme Court forbids, regarding the 2nd Amendment.
Or, maybe it will just be a tax.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at January 01, 2016 05:00 PM (+1T7c)
Nip Sip, keep your .380 and just upgrade your ammo to a nice wad cutter and you'll be good to go. Remember the best ammo is the one you put on the target.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 01, 2016 05:01 PM (ej1L0)
Does it really matter how many shots he fired? The guy was no threat at the point. + there was only 1 hit as I understand it.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 05:01 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Root Doctor at January 01, 2016 05:03 PM (VV4qd)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 01, 2016 05:03 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at January 01, 2016 05:00 PM (+1T7c)
Actually, it's pretty good. The "only criminals will have guns" argument is really buttressed when they're showing Filipino dudes turning out untraceable 1911s for $115.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 01, 2016 05:03 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: Fritz at January 01, 2016 05:04 PM (BngQR)
They aren't showing any web addresses perchance?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:05 PM (rwI+c)
This is an example of "The Ferguson Effect"- because a fact does not fit the preconceived narrative, its rejected.
The weapon was immediately turned over to the OIC, and then immediately transferred to my office.
Posted by: Jeff Greeson at January 01, 2016 05:05 PM (NplB/)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 01, 2016 05:03 PM (GUBah)
(looks at gun counter with $1000 1911s, sobs audibly)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 05:05 PM (bLnSU)
Actually it does matter how many shots were fired.
Multiple shots can potentially demonstrate lethal intent.
Firing a single shot accidentally is potentially justifiable, firing multiple times is increasingly harder to justify.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 05:06 PM (WVvzl)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:06 PM (rwI+c)
The Seacamps? I lied, mine are the old 32's that only shoot silver tips. I've had them for 20 years? Who remembers.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 05:07 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:07 PM (rwI+c)
My opinion is 1 shot demonstrated lethal intent, especially considering the immediate lie on the police radio.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 05:07 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:08 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 05:05 PM (bLnSU)
Seriously, it's three dudes in a shack in the Philippine jungle. They work 12 hours a day every day hand making them. Said they turn out 5 a month and sell them to a smuggler for $115.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 01, 2016 05:08 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 01, 2016 05:03 PM (GUBah)
(looks at gun counter with $1000 1911s, sobs audibly)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith
****
Well if you want to go chase the $100 1911's, you can give me your expensive ones.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 05:08 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 05:08 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 01, 2016 05:08 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Weirddave at January 01, 2016 05:09 PM (N8hFs)
But why would he draw his weapon on someone trying to climb out of an overturned vehicle? Am I missing something?
Posted by: rickl at January 01, 2016 05:10 PM (sdi6R)
Merovign, when I win tonight and after hiring Tyrell Corp to tackle the medical as opposed to OCP Research Div. Want a 1911? Or perhaps something in the 40W plasma range?
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 05:10 PM (OEWRk)
This is not an example of the Ferguson effect.
The two cases could not be more different.
Again, we have the video, we have the bodycam audio, we know he tried to contemporaniously cover up his actions. Why should I not believe he would go to further lengths to cover up his actions
I understand that you are trying to justify your office declining to bring charges against this officer but your being too cute by half with the level of mendacity.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 05:11 PM (WVvzl)
Posted by: Root Doctor at January 01, 2016 05:11 PM (VV4qd)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 01, 2016 05:08 PM (GUBah)
And realistically, while almost all of them work, you wouldn't want one. Kind of improvised and holes in the wrong places, the ones I've seen.
That was many years ago, though, they could be 3D printing them from design files for all I know.
I have some blueprints around for Beretta, SIG and Colt guns, with CAM code. Would probably still cost less to buy one, for now.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 05:11 PM (bLnSU)
adequately ventilated for black powder shooting) I was wondering what is
available today for black powder. Aren't there types in use today that
make cleanup a little easier?
Posted by: the littl shyning man at January 01, 2016 04:43 PM (U6f54)
BP is easy to clean. Remove the grips, disassemble and then use dish-soap and finish with dousing with boiling water. Let it cool a bit and evaporate most of the water, lube up and re-assemble.
Sam Fadala, the black powder author, always suggested running the Colt Navy and Army through the dishwasher.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 01, 2016 05:11 PM (q2o38)
Posted by: Nip Sip
*****
Like unicorns. You could sell two and probably pay for the Kahr and the laser.
I've seen maybe a dozen in my whole life.
Better mousetrap and all...
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 05:11 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at January 01, 2016 05:12 PM (AYY6Y)
I used to be a law and order guy, but since cops' first and only prioirity is going home safe at the end of the shift, I no longer trust the 'roided up thugs.
Posted by: Butch at January 01, 2016 05:13 PM (hXu8T)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 05:15 PM (hVdx9)
So the 9mm has over twice the pressure as a 380/aka a 9 mm short?
That doesn't sound right to me
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:29 PM (jJRIy)
Kinetic energy = mass x velocity squared
Doubling velocity quadruples kinetic energy. You don't need to double the pressure to increase velocity enough to double kinetic energy.
Posted by: Ed Anger at January 01, 2016 05:15 PM (RcpcZ)
I've fired many handguns of many different calibers, and so have many on this blog for that matter, I see two distinct discharges.
Absent body cam audio to help verify the claim of a single shot, I see two discharges, a jury could easily be persuaded to see that.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 05:15 PM (WVvzl)
anew. Negligent homicide, unlike assault, can be the result of an
omission or failure to perform a duty. Expect a charging decision in the
next week or two. Be aware, however, that are standard is not "was this
a bad thing that happened." Clearly this was, but our standard is
whether or not we can prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, to all 12
strangers drawn from the community, that every element of the charged
offense is true. Despite how bad the video looks, this is not a clear
cut and obvious case.
Posted by: Jeff Greeson at January 01, 2016 04:02 PM (NplB/)
The jurisdiction must have a very nuanced definition of 'homicide'.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 01, 2016 05:16 PM (T78UI)
Posted by: When Obama's EO levee breaks at January 01, 2016 05:16 PM (FkBIv)
I read somewhere that her father Nat explained his heroin addiction this way. At the start of his career, Black musicians had to stay wherever they could, usually in a "colored" flop house or someone's home. Usually those sleeping quarters were in the worst parts of town and were always un-airconditioned, most did not even have a working fan. So when you needed to sleep during the day in order to perform that night, you shot up with heroin and the heat and noise did not matter. Sure, it was a loser's move to do horse, but, they never expected to win, so when they did get a big career and could stay in nice places, the monkey on their back was large and in charge.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 01, 2016 05:17 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Butch at January 01, 2016 05:19 PM (hXu8T)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:19 PM (rwI+c)
I guess if Kreplach and some of us disagree, then Mr Greeson has a point that it may not be as clear cut it seems to each of us.
I do want to thank him for stopping by with his insight.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 05:19 PM (ODxAs)
Now, I'm not defending the police - many are bad people and I have the scars to prove it. But this may have really been a case of accidental discharge. Still, he used bad judgement by not reporting the shot to the other officers.
Posted by: Xavier at January 01, 2016 05:20 PM (3X3Pk)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 01, 2016 05:21 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of
equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:19 PM (rwI+c)<<<
**arches eyebrow**
Indeed.
Posted by: the Stanford Coach at January 01, 2016 05:21 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:21 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 05:22 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 05:22 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Grump928(C)
Iowa looks like a bunch of inept schmucks out there.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at January 01, 2016 05:23 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:23 PM (rwI+c)
I find it fascinating that the DA (apparently) found it necessary to comment *here*. Does this thread have that big of a reach? Are they doing that Google-ping thingy that certain bicycle crazed bloggers do? It makes an average person go "hmmm".
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 01, 2016 05:23 PM (GDulk)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:24 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 01, 2016 05:24 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 01, 2016 05:23 PM (GDulk)
*Aliens.*
Posted by: Giorgio Tsoukalolopolis at January 01, 2016 05:25 PM (bLnSU)
Posted by: Bob at the NSA at January 01, 2016 05:25 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:26 PM (rwI+c)
Can't buy. Waaaaaaa!
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 05:27 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 05:27 PM (bLnSU)
I stand corrected Nip Sip. Per Gunbroker you sell One and buy the Kahr
and laser. Sell Two and you could buy the Kahr, the laser, a holster,
and practice ammo.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 05:15 PM (hVdx9)
Wow! One has never been shot and I have the boxes and everything.
Bad news, I bought two leather holsters, the one for the seacamp fits perfect, the one for the LCP doesn't and I can not remember who I bought them from and find the email.
OLD
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 05:28 PM (jJRIy)
Late fiance's son is a deputy sheriff and he just made SWAT, so it was interesting to see people's reactions to him in his SWAT garb versus his regular uniform there in the hospital. My fiance had just been admitted and his son had just gotten there, the first doctor to come into the room turned to his son and said, "Are you here for him?" gesturing at my fiance. The son said yes. The doctor froze and said "So do I need to stay clear of the bed and out of your line of fire." I piped up and said, "You can if you want, but, that's his son."
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 01, 2016 05:28 PM (kXoT0)
Which is to a large extent the point.
We all know in the heat of the moment with an officer in hot pursuit, weapon drawn that an accidental discharge can occur.
But the officer did not fess up to it contemporaneously and now the DA is putting on this dog and pony show about how sometimes officers don't even realize they fired their weapon.
Hogwash!!
He unholstered his weapon, he raised his weapon, he pointed his weapon, it's in front of his face when he, squeezes off, to my eyes, two shots.
In the immortal words of Matt Hooper, "This was no boating accident!"
Now as to what he should have been charged with I don't know but as we have seen all to often, DA's can be incredibly inventive with their charging instruments.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 05:28 PM (WVvzl)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 05:29 PM (bLnSU)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:29 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 05:30 PM (jJRIy)
Someone mentioned that I may want to try a revolver and I did and love it. I purchased a Smith Wesson 642 and have gone to the range 3 times and I feel safe and in control. I didn't get the laser site because I want to be proficient without it but maybe my next one.
Thanks again horde my friends.
Posted by: bossybarb at January 01, 2016 05:30 PM (dwT/R)
He cracks me up. You can never tell what will pop out of his mouth, or mumble out, as the case may be.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:31 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 05:31 PM (OEWRk)
The NIB one?
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of
equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:29 PM (rwI+c)
I have boxes for all three. I don't think any of them have had 50 rounds through them. I bought them sort as an investment.
Why fire the little things?
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 05:31 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 05:32 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 05:31 PM (OEWRk)
Sadly, more dangerous to my happiness than my bank account. I am running out of money, my rent's going up, I have to move - yeah, I'mma totes buy a gun now.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 05:33 PM (bLnSU)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 01, 2016 05:33 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:33 PM (rwI+c)
Iowa trying to buck up and not get blown out.
I just don't know if they can stop the stanford O.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 05:32 PM (ODxAs)
Turned it off, looks to me Stanford, at home, is going to beat the shit out of them.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 05:33 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 05:34 PM (ODxAs)
I just don't know if they can stop the stanford O.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 05:32 PM (ODxAs)<<<
Spoke a leeeeeeeetle too soon.
Posted by: Stanford D, in on the scoring too at January 01, 2016 05:34 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 01, 2016 05:34 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: HH at January 01, 2016 05:35 PM (DrCtv)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:35 PM (rwI+c)
OK. TCM, now Close Encounters, waste.
BUT 8:00 Magnificent Seven, all time great Western and plot.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 05:36 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 05:36 PM (OEWRk)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 01, 2016 05:37 PM (083Sj)
The guys who started Cisco taught there. Stanford has a lot of talent in Bay Area tech companies.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 01, 2016 05:37 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:37 PM (rwI+c)
I have a 27 and I can conceal that under a tight t-shirt, and it's the same size as the 26. I can also do that with a 30, which is about an eight of an inch larger in all dimensions.
So, I'd try the larges 9mm I could conceal comfortably, not the smallest one I could conceal. If that makes sense.
I like simple firearms, but I know the Glocks aren't for everyone.
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 01, 2016 05:37 PM (k1gv+)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 05:36 PM (OEWRk)
Yep. Stupid lottery people won't give me my money just because I didn't win.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 05:38 PM (bLnSU)
Posted by: Anna Puma
****
I need to sell a kidney.
Anyone want to go camping?
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 05:38 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: HH at January 01, 2016 05:38 PM (DrCtv)
I like this Snowman commercial. Asylum needs to make this film.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of
equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:35 PM (rwI+c)
I think it's a theft from Doctor Who.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at January 01, 2016 05:39 PM (yxw0r)
Posted by: Xavier at January 01, 2016 05:39 PM (3X3Pk)
Posted by: Johnson at January 01, 2016 05:41 PM (hforh)
I have a 27, in 40, but I don't care for Glock safety.
Mighty big gun to carry concealed to me. I use to carry it in car, but now I just carry the little LCP 380.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 05:41 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: HH at January 01, 2016 05:42 PM (DrCtv)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:42 PM (rwI+c)
But, if you can't stash the 26, most people seem to really enjoy the 43's, though they also tend towards a heavier trigger pull.
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 01, 2016 05:42 PM (k1gv+)
Wow. Heck, I'm still impressed you found 3 from back then.
Like I said, I remember when finding one was like finding an SSU.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 05:42 PM (hVdx9)
However, as far as the "makes you a target" meme that anti-OC advocates constantly parrot, in seven years of being active in the OC community, this is the first news story I've heard of someone actually being targeted for their gun. Seems to me there are a lot easier ways to get a gun than attacking someone who presumably is willing to shoot you.
Posted by: Heresolong at January 01, 2016 05:42 PM (ntIeo)
Posted by: IC at January 01, 2016 05:42 PM (+3RH+)
Posted by: m at January 01, 2016 05:42 PM (d4uu4)
Posted by: Root Doctor at January 01, 2016 05:43 PM (VV4qd)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 05:44 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: Root Doctor at January 01, 2016 05:44 PM (VV4qd)
But once I was used to it, doesn't concern me anymore than my DA/SA pistols do.
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 01, 2016 05:44 PM (k1gv+)
"Wow! One has never been shot and I have the boxes and everything."
Wow. Heck, I'm still impressed you found 3 from back then.
Like I said, I remember when finding one was like finding an SSU.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 05:42 PM (hVdx9)
I didn't find them, I waited six months for each of them.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 05:45 PM (jJRIy)
What would be the best concealed carry holster for my new AK-47 pistol?
j/k
It really is a ridiculous looking weapon, but could easily be mistaken for a pellet gun or paint ball gun...
Posted by: Spun and Murky at January 01, 2016 05:46 PM (4DCSq)
Right now I'm thinking of the scene in Men At Work where charlie sheen shoots the guy with with a pellet gun.
Asshole neighbor is out there with his leaf blower again (2nd or 3rd time today). It rained the last 3 days, all the leaves fell off the trees months ago - what the hell are you accomplishing, dickhead? Other than annoying everyone on the block?
/rant off
Posted by: Chi at January 01, 2016 05:47 PM (UICf+)
Posted by: Yip at January 01, 2016 05:49 PM (e7T6D)
Posted by: Root Doctor at January 01, 2016 05:53 PM (VV4qd)
In 2007, a pair of S. Korean Marines were ran over and attacked with a knife to steal their weapons. The thief took a grenade a rifle and several magazines. One of the Marines died. My google fu is weak right now, though.
Posted by: Lumpy at January 01, 2016 06:01 PM (y/bte)
Had an argument--not a debate-- the other day with an opinionated person about how I carry my 1911. He claims it's unsafe and one day I'll kill someone with an AD.
FTR, I carry in either a belt or shoulder rig, weapon cocked and locked with one in the spout.--just as was intended.
Anyone have an opinion about that here?
Posted by: irongraampa at January 01, 2016 06:02 PM (jeCnD)
FTR, I carry in either a belt or shoulder rig, weapon cocked and locked with one in the spout.--just as was intended.
Anyone have an opinion about that here?
Posted by: irongraampa
****
Let me guess, it will fail the drop test and go off?
If you are carrying a 1911 from WWII era perhaps.
For the modern ones it is quite unlikely.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 06:04 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Yip at January 01, 2016 06:06 PM (e7T6D)
The weapon was immediately turned over to the OIC, and then immediately transferred to my office.
Posted by: Jeff Greeson at January 01, 2016 05:05 PM (NplB/)
Is it me, or does it seem really unseemly for someone from the DA's office to be posting info about an ongoing investigation?
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 01, 2016 06:06 PM (o98Jz)
Posted by: Yip
****
Sounds like someone hasn't kept up with the times and wants to give crap to someone that has.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 06:08 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
****
Times are a changin'
The days when they could remain silent seem to be gone.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 06:09 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 06:11 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Root Doctor at January 01, 2016 06:12 PM (VV4qd)
Posted by: Yip at January 01, 2016 06:13 PM (e7T6D)
Posted by: Yip at January 01, 2016 06:15 PM (e7T6D)
I think a lot of times people argue two different issues with that. One is how it was originally intended to be carried, and how it's carried now.
Prior to the manual safety being added, of course it was carried without one in the spout. For the same reason you don't keep one under the hammer on an SAA.
Now, with the manual safety, there is zero reason to not keep it cocked and locked.
What condition was did this worry-wort believe it should be carried in? Hammer down without one in the chamber? With one in the chamber?
Really, 1911 carry arguments are usually pretty dumb. And come down to lawyering over semantics.
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 01, 2016 06:22 PM (k1gv+)
I don't want you guys out there on the INternet being wrong!
Also, the elected DA has asked us to engage with the public regarding this issue. We want to be completely open because of the sensitivity of the situation.
Posted by: Jeff Greeson at January 01, 2016 06:31 PM (NplB/)
which is why you always perform a function test on them prior to use.
oh yeah, and we picked up the first new gun of the year today: Enfield #4 Mk2 in almost new condition...
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 01, 2016 06:33 PM (QUnwu)
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at January 01, 2016 06:34 PM (g4VbG)
Posted by: Yip at January 01, 2016 06:37 PM (e7T6D)
He wants it hammer down nothing in the spout.
He indicated that they rack so quickly that you can be ready for action instantly. That the Israelis carry like that,so I should.
I told him that I wasn't a proponent of carrying a rock in a shoulder rig.
Posted by: irongrampa at January 01, 2016 06:37 PM (jeCnD)
Posted by: Yip at January 01, 2016 06:38 PM (e7T6D)
Posted by: Root Doctor at January 01, 2016 06:40 PM (VV4qd)
I really don't like arguing the whole Israeli thing for how other people want to carry. But when they insist I should carry that way, I get pissed.
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 01, 2016 06:42 PM (k1gv+)
Posted by: Root Doctor at January 01, 2016 06:44 PM (VV4qd)
Posted by: Yip at January 01, 2016 06:45 PM (e7T6D)
No. Grand juries are rare in California.
Posted by: Jeff Greeson at January 01, 2016 07:04 PM (NplB/)
Interesting. Like I said, when I was on the GJ, besides inspecting the county jail as required by law, and inspecting their books (as if I was qualified to do that), we had to deal with several odd deaths.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 07:09 PM (rwI+c)
Weirddave- this was an issue of much debate. There was a consensus, however, among the officers that reviewed the case that drawing his weapon was not required, but was nevertheless arguably appropriate in this case. Bear in mind that there was a rollover collision caused by someone fleeing police. Also know that there was a woman on the ground about 5 feet away from Officer Feaster that was dying (it was Thomas' ex-wife, and she was declared dead at the scene.) This fact hasn't been discussed enough in media accounts.
Posted by: Jeff Greeson at January 01, 2016 07:09 PM (NplB/)
http://bearingarms.com/lasd-sees-rise-negligent-discharges-gun-switch/
Posted by: Xavier at January 01, 2016 07:31 PM (3X3Pk)
Posted by: hurricane567 at January 02, 2016 01:30 AM (lL09r)
Posted by: Dons at January 02, 2016 12:00 PM (FTI54)
Show of hands for anyone who thinks that a DA's office would do all the same amount of studying of a video if some random dude off the street had walked up on a traffic accident pulled out a gun and shot somebody trying to get out of a car.
What exactly fear for his life situation was the officer in that he DREW HIS WEAPON in the first place? Was he afraid the guy crawling out of his car was a zombie and he had to make sure he didn't bite him?
Posted by: An Observation at January 02, 2016 03:28 PM (HQnui)
Here is what actually happened:
1. He drew the pistol intending to shoot the person.
2. He shot him.
3. He re-holstered the gun because he was done doing what he wanted to do with his gun.
This was not negligent homicide, this was 2nd degree murder; he was angry because the guy ran from him - so he deliberately shot him for that reason and no other.
Posted by: An Observation at January 02, 2016 03:58 PM (HQnui)
Posted by: An Observation at January 02, 2016 04:33 PM (HQnui)
To retain that weapon is paramount to yours and everyone's safety.
Yes, there are people who will take you down just to steal your weapon and NO they are not afraid of your gun.
Posted by: obsidian at January 03, 2016 10:29 AM (ARK2U)
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