New Years' Day Gun Thread - Weirddave

Gun of the Week

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Gunhinged

Ex-Lobsterman who fought off intruder could face eviction for gun

After a rash of break ins at his apartment complex, fearing for his safety, this man went out and bought a gun for protection (he won't say where, which is interesting, but as I understand it, that would only be a problem if he is legally prohibited from owning a gun). He was apparently right to be fearful, because the next day someone broke into his home and he shot them. Now he's fighting being evicted because of gun possession. I miss the days when the country made sense. Someone breaks into your house, you shoot them, the cops who respond look at you and say “Good job”.


Law-abiding Gun Owners Never Save Lives

Gun Owners Stop Four Life-Threatening Incidents In Five Days During The Christmas Season

POST-PARIS: Armed Citizens Move To Defend Store After Hearing Shots

Murder rates drop as concealed carry permits soar


Situational Awareness

This video was shot in Chicago (of course). It appears to show a cop gunning down a criminal who was in the process of complying with orders.....or does it? It is fortunate that there were multiple officers and a videographer on scene or this might have become another Tamir Rice situation.

H/T to The Law of Self Defense, the indispensable owners manual for carrying a gun.


Very Disturbing Video

On the other hand, we get this courtesy of Bob Owens. I don't know what to call this except attempted murder, truly I don't.

From the link:

Feaster is in pursuit of Thomas, but it’s unclear whether or not Thomas was aware that Feaster was behind him. The first we clearly see of Thomas’s SUV is when it has already flipped and is sliding to a stop at :54 into the film.

Feaster’s police cruiser comes to a halt a short distance from the the SUV. Thomas’s wife Darien Ehorn has been ejected from the vehicle and is critically injured or already dead directly in front of the overturned vehicle (her image is blurred out in the video).
At 1:05, you see the first clear signs of Mr. Thomas beginning to emerge from the SUV, which is laying on it’s side. He puts both hands up through the shattered side door window and presses down with both arms to lift himself up.
At 1:07 you see Officer Feaster enter the left side frame of the camera with his hand on his pistol. As Thomas presses down to propel himself up and out of the vehicle, Officer Feaster draws his pistol, extends it directly at Thomas and presses off a single shot at 1:08 as soon as his arm reaches full extension, as captured below.

Officer Feaster wasn't charged.

GOTW Answer

That is a Walther P-38. So what? They're as common a grass. That may be, but this particular one was at my local gun shop, which was handling the FFL transfer. No, what makes this particular gun interesting is its serial number:

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Yes that's right, it's an 8. That's a pretty early model, who knows, it might have been handled by all manner of, er, “interesting” people in Germany back in the late 1930s.

Silly

How Many Sheets Of Paper Does It Take To Stop A .50 BMG [VIDEO]

Pro tip: If Someone is shooting .50 BMG at you, don't hide behind the copier.

Boondoggle

Maryland: The Happy Death Of A Bad Idea

The idea was this: If we take a sample casing from every handgun sold in Maryland, we'll have a database that can be used when we recover a shell casing at the scene of a crime. Genius! So they spent $5 million and 15 years implementing the program, and guess how many crimes it solved?

500?

200?

50?

Nope. 0. No crimes. 26 times the ballistic fingerprint registry backed up existing evidence, but not once did it solve any.

Just in case you were wondering why taxes are so high here in Maryland.

Sniping, the Next Generation

Chris Kyle’s Widow Uses Next-Gen Rifle To Win ‘American Sniper Shootout’

Absolutely no disrespect to Taya Kyle - I'm not Jessie Ventura – but the equipment she used does cause one to wonder if we are on the cusp of having accurate long distance shooting move from being a hard won skill to simply being more button pushing. As I said, I am not denigrating Taya in any way, but the tech that she's demonstrating does raise some questions, does it not?


Open Carry - Good Idea?

Felon Attacks Open Carrier for His Weapon In Washington Walmart

This is why I'm not a big fan of open carry. I suppose if everyone, or a majority of the population, were carrying openly then it might not be such an issue, but when only scattered people are carrying openly it puts a target on their back. I'd go even further and speculate that if there is another 9/11 scale attack, and if army or national guard troops are deployed to guard key installations or infrastructure, that those troops might be targeted for their weapons. If a terrorist wants an M-4, what easier way to get one than by ambushing a bored guard watching a power substation? Far-fetched? Maybe, but consider that that was the entire strategy behind the FP-45 Liberator pistol in WWII.

Defensive Gun Use of the Week

Woman Shoots, Kills Home Invasion Suspect in Trotwood

TROTWOOD -- A home invasion suspect is dead after police say a mother fought back.

Trotwood police say three males kicked in the back door of a home on Atlas Drive. They forced a woman who was doing laundry into a back room with two children. two other children were asleep on a couch. The ages of the children range from 10 to 16 years old.

While one of the suspects held the woman at gunpoint with a TEC-9 automatic submachine gun, Trotwood Police Capt. John Porter said the two other suspects tried to steal a safe in the home.

Porter said the woman grabbed a gun in the home and shot the armed suspect and all three then fled the home.

When police arrived, they say they found one suspect dead in a neighbor's side yard. Police say they found TEC-9 under him.

The other two suspects fled the area in an unknown vehicle.

Police say an autopsy found that the suspect died of a single gunshot to the left shoulder. That bullet pierced a major artery before exiting the right shoulder.

Bolding mine. I'll eat my gun safe if this two bit thug actually did have an "automatic submachine gun". Not clear if that came from the reporter or the cops, but whoever it is has been watching too much Die Hard, ho ho ho.

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1 "Woman Shoots, Kills Home Invasion Suspect in Trotwood"

Which drove a Facebook lib into a paroxysm of rage:

"MORE VIGILANTE TEA PARTY GUN CULTURE INJUSTICE, what ever happened to the RIGHT of bring INNOCENT until being found GUILTY in a COURT of LAW which works if you let it, instead of taking the LAW into your own hands, and become Judge, Jury, and self anointed VIGILANTE EXECUTIONER."

Posted by: V the K at January 01, 2016 03:27 PM (G/+Ma)

2 FRIST!!!

Posted by: MAx at January 01, 2016 03:29 PM (LAliD)

3 P38

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 03:31 PM (rwI+c)

4 >>>VIGILANTE TEA PARTY GUN CULTURE INJUSTICE, what ever happened to the RIGHT of bring INNOCENT until being found GUILTY in a COURT of LAW

Ha! It's called being caught in the act genius

Posted by: Lea at January 01, 2016 03:33 PM (vmMMi)

5 Bolding mine. I'll eat my gun safe if this two bit thug actually did have an "automatic submachine gun".


I believe it.

I have a Hi-Standard .22 automatic revolver machine gun. It will fire each time I pull the trigger.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 01, 2016 03:33 PM (1xUj/)

6 Amazing how that presumption of innocence is supposed to work even when someone is pointing a gun at you.

Life in 2015 was beyond parody, and I expect 2016 to just be more so.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 01, 2016 03:36 PM (erRNA)

7 Which drove a Facebook lib into a paroxysm of rage:
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Maybe said libidiot should stare down the barrel of a bad guy's TEC9 for a bit and then come back and make their case. Nothing can focus your mind like fear for your life.

Posted by: Old Blue at January 01, 2016 03:36 PM (9iR5/)

8 The ole P-38. I have one, holster extra clip, swastika, and all.


Also have the new version.


Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 03:36 PM (jJRIy)

9 "MORE VIGILANTE TEA PARTY GUN CULTURE INJUSTICE, what ever happened to the RIGHT of bring INNOCENT until being found GUILTY in a COURT of LAW which works if you let it, instead of taking the LAW into your own hands, and become Judge, Jury, and self anointed VIGILANTE EXECUTIONER."


Confusion of categories is the curse of our times. That, and the malignant narcissism of the ill educated.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 03:37 PM (rwI+c)

10 That P38 looks in prime condition. Low serial number? Might have been kept in house for tests and never got out into the wild. Or it has been restored.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 03:37 PM (OEWRk)

11
Very Disturbing Video

On the other hand, we get this courtesy of Bob Owens. I don't know what to call this except attempted murder, truly I don't.


Andrew Thomas succumbed to his wounds and died later on.

Posted by: Mohammed Mahmoud Muhammed at January 01, 2016 03:37 PM (kpqmD)

12 The TX open carry is the stupid. Really you don't need a CC permit in most states to open carry.



The noise on this is just shows the stupidity of the MSM and NY Slime

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 03:38 PM (jJRIy)

13 Off, goatfucking sock.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 01, 2016 03:38 PM (kpqmD)

14 WeirdDave, I'll get that NDA back to you as soon as I get off my ass and figure out what box I put the printer/scanner in. I'm still in post-move unpacking mode.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 01, 2016 03:38 PM (GUBah)

15 In the home invasion story. It is nice to see that the one thug was polite enough to go outside to bleed out.

Posted by: Willy J. at January 01, 2016 03:41 PM (wHX4r)

16 Yesterday was a range day. Got the new scope for Little's .22 sighted in, so that was good. Gingy was plinking away and Little was observing the target through the scope:

"Mooooom they're all in a concentrated area."

LOL. That's the idea.

Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 01, 2016 03:41 PM (N8hFs)

17 Vigilante executioner?

What about the thug with the gun who was threatening to do that? Do you hate women because it seems you are fine with women being victims.

And dip-wad, that is 'being innocent' and not bring INNONCENT.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 03:41 PM (OEWRk)

18 1 "Woman Shoots, Kills Home Invasion Suspect in Trotwood"

Which drove a Facebook lib into a paroxysm of rage:

"MORE VIGILANTE TEA PARTY GUN CULTURE INJUSTICE, what ever happened to the RIGHT of bring INNOCENT until being found GUILTY in a COURT of LAW which works if you let it, instead of taking the LAW into your own hands, and become Judge, Jury, and self anointed VIGILANTE EXECUTIONER."
Posted by: V the K at January 01, 2016 03:27 PM (G/+Ma)


And people like that will cheer as we are herded into the camps. Serves us right. We had it coming.

Posted by: rickl at January 01, 2016 03:44 PM (sdi6R)

19 The video of the thug with hidden pistol has been around a long time. Thank God there is a video or the cops would be in deep shit because they shot him in the back.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 03:46 PM (jJRIy)

20 #8! Holy cow. Bet that one cost a pretty penny.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 03:46 PM (hVdx9)

21
That second video is straight up execution by cop. Sickening. Not sure any extenuating circumstances would ever justify that video...unless the guy just raped the cop's kid...other than THAT, I got nothing.

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at January 01, 2016 03:47 PM (Qj6zv)

22 The video of the thug with hidden pistol has been around a long time. Thank God there is a video or the cops would be in deep shit because they shot him in the back.


Posted by: Nip Sip
****

His back was to me.

(that was a great line from El Diablo)

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 03:47 PM (hVdx9)

23 20
#8! Holy cow. Bet that one cost a pretty penny.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 03:46 PM (hVdx9)

Let's hope he didn't pass back ground check and it will be back on the market.
Speaking of that. What is the hordes favorite 9mm small carry gun. I have a Ruger LCP 380 is it worth moving up?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 03:48 PM (jJRIy)

24
#8! Holy cow. Bet that one cost a pretty penny.


According to the gun shop owner, they guy got it for about $3K less than he could easily sell it for. so not just cool, lucky too.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 01, 2016 03:50 PM (N8hFs)

25 Well that seems for all intents and purposes, at least to my untrained eyes, an open and shut case of murder on the part of the cop.

Wonder if he was charged or found guilty?

Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 03:51 PM (WVvzl)

26 Let's hope he didn't pass back ground check and it will be back on the market.
Speaking of that. What is the hordes favorite 9mm small carry gun. I have a Ruger LCP 380 is it worth moving up?


Posted by: Nip Sip
****

I'd have to sell a kidney to afford it. No, not one of mine. Anyone want to go camping?

Favorite compact 9mm - Kahr CW9
Sure only 7 rounds, but very soft shooting and controllable.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 03:51 PM (hVdx9)

27 Keep lacy @ 25 - Po-po was not charged.

Posted by: Butch at January 01, 2016 03:53 PM (hXu8T)

28 Kreplach, not Keep lacy, effing autocucumber!

Posted by: Butch at January 01, 2016 03:54 PM (hXu8T)

29 According to the gun shop owner, they guy got it for about $3K less than he could easily sell it for. so not just cool, lucky too.


Posted by: Weirdd
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If I had that kind of luck, I'd be afraid to cross the street. I have Al Bundy luck.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 03:54 PM (hVdx9)

30 25 Well that seems for all intents and purposes, at least to my untrained eyes, an open and shut case of murder on the part of the cop.

Wonder if he was charged or found guilty?
Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 03:51 PM (WVvzl)

No. The DA ruled it an accident and declined to file charges. However, that was before he died.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 01, 2016 03:54 PM (kpqmD)

31 That home invasion story was on our local news a few weeks back (Trotwood is suburb of Dayton). What you don't see in the link above (but was on the news) is:

A) There was video from INSIDE the home, too, and

2) WHY did she have video inside the home?

Some other questions arise from those, no?

Posted by: speedster1 at January 01, 2016 03:55 PM (vUcdz)

32 ...This is why I'm not a big fan of open carry. I suppose if everyone, or a majority of the population, were carrying openly then it might not be such an issue, but when only scattered people are carrying openly it puts a target on their back.

And how does one get to "everyone, or a majority," without first going through the "only scattered people" stage, hmmm?

Posted by: mindful webworker - early adopter at January 01, 2016 03:55 PM (mf0wg)

33 Here's a trick that probably everyone already knows but here it is anyway: when you strip your carry piece to blow out the lint etc, you can easily test it after reassembly by pointing it straight up and putting a pencil down the barrel, eraser down, and snapping the hammer. If all is in good order, the pencil will be ejected like an arrow. You can evaluate the working and the strength of the primer punch by how high it jumps.

Do this before loading the gun, obviously.

And it won't work on DA only revolvers, equally obviously.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 03:56 PM (rwI+c)

34 That home invasion story was on our local news a few weeks back (Trotwood is suburb of Dayton). What you don't see in the link above (but was on the news) is:

A) There was video from INSIDE the home, too, and

2) WHY did she have video inside the home?

Some other questions arise from those, no?

Posted by: speedster1
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Lots of male traffic?

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 03:57 PM (hVdx9)

35 Don't know I would necessarily want this guy to have a gun. Jerry Garcia call your office.

Posted by: Dave with a Brain at January 01, 2016 03:57 PM (0a1T6)

36 @26

Is it worth moving up from a 380 to a 9mm? Pretty much same bullet isn't it?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 03:57 PM (jJRIy)

37 12 ns

My understanding is that the main advantage of OC is to avoid brandishing charges if one's concealed piece ...er... accidentally unconceals.

Posted by: speedster1 at January 01, 2016 03:57 PM (vUcdz)

38 2) WHY did she have video inside the home?

Posted by: speedster1 at January 01, 2016 03:55 PM (vUcdz)


Wild guess: child monitoring, possibly including monitoring while away (babysitter).

Wild guess #2: someone like a babysitter or a cleaner spread word they had a safe with valuables in it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 03:58 PM (bLnSU)

39 Washington Post publishes an editorial from a self-described "Evangelical" who says guns make baby Jesus cry.

http://tinyurl.com/pvwqyjv

Posted by: V the K at January 01, 2016 03:59 PM (G/+Ma)

40 34 tikkum

Heh.

Posted by: speedster1 at January 01, 2016 03:59 PM (vUcdz)

41 A friend's son was robbed of his gun that he was carrying openly. It was why he was targeted.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 03:59 PM (hVdx9)

42 38 Mero

Okay, that works, too.

Posted by: speedster1 at January 01, 2016 04:00 PM (vUcdz)

43 @30

I see the DA is using the Russian definition for accident.

How can it be found that the intentional act of drawing your weapon coupled with the intentional act of putting your finger on the trigger and proceeding to intentionally pull the trigger - TWICE, Be said to be accidental?

Incredible!

Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:00 PM (WVvzl)

44 Happy New Year Merovign.

22k words. Destroyed the Golden Gate. Bay Bridge iffy. Alcatraz is a 'temporary confinement center' in story. Should I put in a mini-tsunami?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:01 PM (OEWRk)

45 @31

I don't know. Lot's of people now a days have video in homes all the time. Some systems run an endless loop 24/7.



She also had three kids in the house. Most hooks don't have kids hanging around. Why does she have a safe? Drug dealer?



That would be my guess, these guys didn't show up at her house randomly.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:01 PM (jJRIy)

46 In the matter of the Feaster OIS:

I've reviewed the original source footage from the Paradise PD dashcam probably 20 times. I've also been briefed by investigators that reviewed the incident, including extensive interviews with Officer Feaster, Andrew Thomas, and the other two officers on scene. Note that the other two officers had bodycams as well, and I have reviewed those, as well.

The DA's office's initial charging decision occurred several weeks ago, when Thomas was still alive. As a result, the only possible charge would be assault. Assault requires an intentional act.

We are convinced that Officer Feaster did not intentionally fire his service weapon. This is based on his statements and the video. If you do a frame by frame analysis on the video, you will see that 1) Feaster did not have both feet on the ground; 2) there is a notable flinch after the discharge which is not consistent with an intentional shot; 3) the shot occurred about one second after Feaster drew his weapon; 4) Feaster only fired one round. Department training, which Feaster regularly attended throughout his 6 year career, taught to plant both feet in a firm stance, go on target BEFORE placing a finger on the trigger, and fire two rounds, evaluate, and fire two more if necessary. These factors are inconsistent with an intentional act.

When interviewed, Feaster indicated that he was initially unsure if he actually fired the weapon. While this may seem unbelievable from where you are sitting, interviews with dozens of experienced officers and surveys of published literature regarding officer shootings show that this is not an uncommon phenomena. Individuals in high stress situations tend to fixate on perceived threats and ignore or reason away facts that were not the focus of attention. In fact, it is very common for officers to not actually hear their weapons firing due to the sudden stress of a deadly encounter.

Our investigation concluded that Officer Feaster most likely negligently placed his finger on the trigger, rather than along the slide of his department-issued .45 Glock, and that the weapon unintentionally discharged when he pointed it at Thomas.

In light of that finding, we could not prove, beyond a reasonable doubt to 12 people drawn from the community that Officer Feaster committed an assault with a deadly weapon.

While we agree that Officer Feaster actions showed a lack of discipline, competence, and integrity (in that he waited almost 11 minutes to admit that he may have shot Thomas,) none of those things are crimes. I understand that this is unsatisfying, but it is the state of the law.

Now that Thomas has died, we are reviewing the facts anew. Negligent homicide, unlike assault, can be the result of an omission or failure to perform a duty. Expect a charging decision in the next week or two. Be aware, however, that are standard is not "was this a bad thing that happened." Clearly this was, but our standard is whether or not we can prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, to all 12 strangers drawn from the community, that every element of the charged offense is true. Despite how bad the video looks, this is not a clear cut and obvious case.

Posted by: Jeff Greeson at January 01, 2016 04:02 PM (NplB/)

47 Is it worth moving up from a 380 to a 9mm? Pretty much same bullet isn't it?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 03:57 PM (jJRIy)


200 ft.lbs. vs. 380-450 ft.lbs.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:03 PM (bLnSU)

48 Open carry is quite possibly the silliest and quite possibly the deadliest form of carrying.

I would never open carry.

Now I understand why people push for it as a way to instill greater public acceptance for people bearing arms but it would be better if they used that energy to agitate for universal concealed carry.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:03 PM (WVvzl)

49 Is it worth moving up from a 380 to a 9mm? Pretty much same bullet isn't it?


Posted by: Nip Sip
****

Yes, but it hits harder. My Kahr is less snappy than a .380 Makarov I had.
Plus ammo is easier to find and at times cheaper than .380.
As much as I like .380, I feel better with 9mm.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:04 PM (hVdx9)

50 So I was looking into buying a Garand from CMP, as the price is very attractive. I'm having issue with the eligibility requirements, as I'm not a shooter at present. I'm building an AR-15 and I'd like to get a a pistol, but there doesn't seem to be anywhere good to shoot around here.

Anyone gone through this?

Posted by: .87c at January 01, 2016 04:04 PM (APdPY)

51 Link in my nic for more info on the Feaster shooting. Body camera footage from other responding officers.

Posted by: Dan8224 at January 01, 2016 04:07 PM (eaQV7)

52 22k words. Destroyed the Golden Gate. Bay Bridge iffy. Alcatraz is a 'temporary confinement center' in story. Should I put in a mini-tsunami?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:01 PM (OEWRk)


As long as it makes sense (mind you Alcatraz would become a bad place to be).

Don't make it a "San Andreas Tsunami" that moves *toward* the epicenter and then stays for hours as if it was afraid to go back out to sea.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:07 PM (bLnSU)

53 there doesn't seem to be anywhere good to shoot around here.

Are you asking how to establish club membership or competency?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:07 PM (rwI+c)

54 44
Happy New Year Merovign.

22k words. Destroyed the Golden Gate.
Bay Bridge iffy. Alcatraz is a 'temporary confinement center' in story.
Should I put in a mini-tsunami?


Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:01 PM (OEWRk)


Which fault did you use? And, BTW, you probably wouldn't lose the Golden Gate bridge, itself, because it's built like a brick telephone booth......but the approaches to it are tissue paper by comparison. You could leave the main span hanging out there with no way to get on or off.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 01, 2016 04:08 PM (EzgxV)

55 @46

I don't know who you are but the video clearly shows intent.

He draws his weapon, he raises and points his weapon at the suspect, he intentionally puts his finger on the trigger, he fires twice.

Clear intent.

Unjustified use of deadly force.

Should have been charged.

Should be in jail.

Period.

End of Story.

Have a nice day.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:08 PM (WVvzl)

56 Also Nip, .380 and 9mm are dependent upon bullet expansion to do their thing.
.380 has trouble hitting the velocity needed to do that. 9mm even in compact firearms has much less of a problem in that area.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:08 PM (hVdx9)

57 After 25 posts, all threads become artisanal quiche threads.

Posted by: Just some guy at January 01, 2016 04:10 PM (yxw0r)

58 I had a P-38 back in the '80s. Got it from a gunshop in Elizabethtown, KY when I was in the Army. Not exactly what I'd choose for a CCW gun today, but it was fun to shoot until I traded it for something more immediately useful, probably my 4" SW Model 29-2. I wouldn't mind getting a P-1 (with the reinforcement pin) just for fun.

Posted by: Deanimator at January 01, 2016 04:10 PM (41YTI)

59 7.6 on the north San Andreas up at Bodega Bay.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:10 PM (OEWRk)

60 I've got a question for y'all.

What's the difference between Ruger 9mm ammo and regular 9mm ammo?

Posted by: tbodie at January 01, 2016 04:11 PM (S3Inb)

61 So JEF's squaking about EO gun grabbing... is that more BS for his fan boys as I do not see how any of that would legal. Thoughts?

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at January 01, 2016 04:11 PM (z3Leh)

62 Using Alcatraz to dump all the crooks and such. Think will skip the whole tsunami thing.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:12 PM (OEWRk)

63
Posted by: Jeff Greeson at January 01, 2016 04:02 PM (NplB/)


Well, I'll be darned. Seems like a well-reasoned statement.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 01, 2016 04:12 PM (EzgxV)

64 @61

No, he fully intends to issue EO's.

Who's going to stop him?

Beard and Turtle?

It is to laugh.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:13 PM (WVvzl)

65 60 I've got a question for y'all.

What's the difference between Ruger 9mm ammo and regular 9mm ammo?
Posted by: tbodie at January 01, 2016 04:11 PM (S3Inb)

Don't know what you mean exactly. Do you mean 9mm Luger? If so, that's just another name for 9mm parabellum or 9x19, which are all what we commonly think of as 9mm.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 01, 2016 04:14 PM (kpqmD)

66 7.6 on the north San Andreas up at Bodega Bay.

That's pretty strong, isn't it?

Wasn't Northridge a 6.7 ?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:14 PM (rwI+c)

67 Here is yet another advantage 9mm has over .380.
When there is a run on ammo, 9mm gets priority over .380. Why?
Short answer: Demand/profit

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:14 PM (hVdx9)

68 I am writing fiction, it is a 7.6. So there!

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:15 PM (OEWRk)

69 Also, .380 generally is 90 or 100 gr, and you don't have a ton of choices as to bullet design. Usually around 900-1000 fps

9mm ranges from 90 to 147 gr, and about the widest selection of bullet design possible. Most common are 115 and 124 gr. Varies from 1000 to 1400 fps.

Bullet design and velocity should be matched, and sometimes it's hard to get that information. Hollow point designs need different velocities to expand reliably.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:16 PM (bLnSU)

70 Kerplach, I believe he only fired once.

# 46, can you tell me what justification the officer had for drawing his weapon in the first place? Is it common for officers in your jurisdiction to approach traffic accidents with drawn weapons? I've been in a rollover car crash, and my first action was to crawl out of the window as Mr. Thomas did. Is that considered a hostile act?

Posted by: Weirddave at January 01, 2016 04:16 PM (N8hFs)

71 I am writing fiction, it is a 7.6. So there!

Then you will have lots of fictional damage I'm guessing.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:16 PM (rwI+c)

72 Why does she have a safe? >>>

I have a safe in my house (other than the one for guns). It is fire rated and I keep important documents in it.

I also have cameras because I'm to cheap to get a full security system and they are cheap way to see what is going on when I'm away from home.

Both these things aren't really suspicious IMO.

Posted by: Willy J. at January 01, 2016 04:16 PM (wHX4r)

73 59 7.6 on the north San Andreas up at Bodega Bay.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:10 PM (OEWRk)


IANAG*, but I don't think that would cause a tsunami.

(*I am not a geologist)

Posted by: rickl at January 01, 2016 04:17 PM (sdi6R)

74 Any of you chaps or chapettes secured a carry permit for California or LA county? I'm wondering how difficult it is. I'm thinking of pursuing it this year.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 01, 2016 04:17 PM (5bF49)

75 Wonder why this home was targeted.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 01, 2016 04:17 PM (iQIUe)

76 Yes plenty of damage. Still debating if the Port Richmond POL farm goes up.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:18 PM (OEWRk)

77 For me, Open Carry is only a benefit for when a cover garment inadvertently moves away, exposing the weapon.

Otherwise, in rare and controlled conditions, the wearing of a full BBQ rig for certain social outings is heartily endorsed.

But for just yutzing around town, with an open carried sidearm.... I'm disinclined to participate in that as a practice.

Still, the law is to our favor. Simple things like not having to grab a sport coat before you get out of the truck...you can get out, stand up, put the coat on....and your 20 seconds or so of Open Carry are no longer an offense.

I'm more fully in favor of Constitutional Carry though.

Open Carry is legal in more than 40 other states.

So, unless you can begin to post hundreds of stories of Open Carry Mayhem from those Open Carry states, all the concerns are only that.

And beating that drum once that question has been duly answered..... isn't that the theme song of the Concern Troll ?



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at January 01, 2016 04:18 PM (McRlu)

78 @63

I am as pro cop as anyone and I don't feel it was reasoned at all.

Following the link and watching other videos and reading other accounts.

The officer not only used unjustified deadly force he tried to cover what he did by retrieving his bullet casings and not informing other officers what had happened.

He told other officers on the scene that the guy was refusing to get out of the car and didn't tell them that he shot him.

He refused to call for an ambulance and only admitted what he had done when it became apparent to everyone he shot him.

Then they tried to cover it still by trying to "find out" if maybe he had been shot at the bar he had left.

Nonsensical twaddle is what that was.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:18 PM (WVvzl)

79 Here is some testing of various calibers in ballistic gel from compact firearms.
Yes I know it's an approximation of an approximation, but if a bullet doesn't perform here it is more likely to fail in the real world.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/necdob4

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:20 PM (hVdx9)

80 200 ft.lbs. vs. 380-450 ft.lbs.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:03 PM (bLnSU)

What?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:20 PM (jJRIy)

81 @70

You can clearly see two flashes/gas discharges from the weapon.

He fired twice.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:21 PM (WVvzl)

82 Tilikum reminds me, I need a sushi fix to get the new year rolling.

Ciao.

Cthulhu perhaps should let you read what I have written and see if you giggle to death at all my goofs.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:22 PM (OEWRk)

83 I adore Bodega Bay. Please don't destroy it.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at January 01, 2016 04:23 PM (yxw0r)

84 Tilikum reminds me, I need a sushi fix to get the new year rolling.

Ciao.

Cthulhu perhaps should let you read what I have written and see if you giggle to death at all my goofs.


Posted by: Anna Puma
****

Anna, better them than me! Have fun.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:23 PM (hVdx9)

85
I get the news for the new year that the feds are gonna house 1000 illegal alien "children" about 1 mile from my house. Lib congressman assures us they will not leave the converted warehouse and have no contact with public.

Uh huh.

Bastards.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 04:24 PM (ODxAs)

86 I adore Bodega Bay. Please don't destroy it.


Bodega Peak will be quite striking.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:24 PM (rwI+c)

87 59
7.6 on the north San Andreas up at Bodega Bay.


Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:10 PM (OEWRk)


It's strike-slip, so would probably be unlikely to generate significant tsunamis in SF -- the west (wet) side would lurch north compared to the east side. I could envision Point Reyes seeing some problems as it pushes forward into the Pacific....or areas north getting some....but that might not be part of the story you want to tell.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 01, 2016 04:24 PM (EzgxV)

88 Alfred Hitchcock already trashed the place with The Birds.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:24 PM (OEWRk)

89 200 ft.lbs. vs. 380-450 ft.lbs.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:03 PM (bLnSU)

What?


Posted by: Nip Sip
****

A bit of dyslexia there.
That was a reference to foot pounds of energy the bullet has.
9mm has more than .380 and he had it backwards.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:25 PM (hVdx9)

90 What's the difference between Ruger 9mm ammo and regular 9mm ammo?

Posted by: tbodie at January 01, 2016 04:11 PM (S3Inb)


Ruger doesn't make ammunition, AFAIK. Ruger *brands* some PolyCase ARX ammunition, which is basically a lightweight copper/polymer bullet with "propeller cuts" to enhance rotation after impact at somewhat higher than normal velocities (because the bullets are lighter).

I don't think there's enough information yet to determine whether that's better or worse.

I would guess "effective if unobstructed and the target is not exceptionally large", because these are similar to Glaser or other frangible bullets.

http://bit.ly/1YUaDFo

They're getting all the press right now but similar designs have been around since the 90s or 80s at least.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:27 PM (bLnSU)

91 I sure hope the rest of the games today are good. These first two were snooze fests.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 01, 2016 04:27 PM (kTF2Z)

92
78
@63

I am as pro cop as anyone and I don't feel it was reasoned at all.

Following the link and watching other videos and reading other accounts.

The
officer not only used unjustified deadly force he tried to cover what
he did by retrieving his bullet casings and not informing other officers
what had happened.

He told other officers on the scene that the guy was refusing to get out of the car and didn't tell them that he shot him.

He refused to call for an ambulance and only admitted what he had done when it became apparent to everyone he shot him.

Then they tried to cover it still by trying to "find out" if maybe he had been shot at the bar he had left.

Nonsensical twaddle is what that was.



Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:18 PM (WVvzl)


We'll know for sure if he's charged with negligent homicide.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 01, 2016 04:27 PM (EzgxV)

93 @89

So the 9mm has over twice the pressure as a 380/aka a 9 mm short?



That doesn't sound right to me

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:29 PM (jJRIy)

94 Anna, the Cascadia fault would produce your tsunami, but it would be too far north for it to take out SF. Portland and Seattle, on the other hand...

Posted by: Old Blue at January 01, 2016 04:29 PM (9iR5/)

95 Point Reyes Station and Hwy 1 would be pretty toasted. Along with Bodega and Bolinas probably.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:30 PM (OEWRk)

96 So the cop shot a man trying to escape a horrific rollover crash then tells dispatch that the man refuses to exit the vehicle.

The Bob Owens link is broken so I can't get to the rest of the story.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2016 04:30 PM (8PbKi)

97 That doesn't sound right to me

twice the impact force. mass X velocity

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:30 PM (rwI+c)

98 When I get done eating my blackeye peas, collards, okra, rice, cornbread, and porkchops, I think I will go to Super 1 and get a lottery ticket. And I will open carry. Because I can.

Posted by: Eromero at January 01, 2016 04:31 PM (b+df9)

99 The Bob Owens link is no good - it just points to the HQ.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 01, 2016 04:31 PM (R+30W)

100 918mm is right about in the middle at 300ft/lbs

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:32 PM (rwI+c)

101 @97

Oh, OK. Where would a 45 v 9 mm be?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:32 PM (jJRIy)

102 Any of you chaps or chapettes secured a carry permit for California or LA county? I'm wondering how difficult it is. I'm thinking of pursuing it this year.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 01, 2016 04:17 PM (5bF49)


LA was placed under a court order to issue a certain number of permits about 10-12 years ago.

A year or two ago they were held in contempt for not having done it.

They still haven't.

Basically the law says you can get a permit and the politicians are in defiance of the law.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:32 PM (bLnSU)

103 @92

We shall see indeed.

And this nonsense that he only fired once.


You can clearly see from the video he fired two shots.

Seriously, that's some 1984 level shit of 2+2=5 nonsense from the DA.

Now I understand why they want to claim he only fired once but that is a bunch of bullshit.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:32 PM (WVvzl)

104 Nip, that was for .380 ball ammo.

Here is a link for .380

http://preview.tinyurl.com/29el67y

For 9mm
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3j5sk97

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:33 PM (hVdx9)

105 Where would a 45 v 9 mm be?


45 ball is big at 230 grains but moving slower, so about 350ft/lbs iirc.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:33 PM (rwI+c)

106 Staying away from Seattle because that is where Blade Runner occurs. Same with Tokyo, there has already been enough disaster events written there.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:33 PM (OEWRk)

107 Also another dumb question an can you put a laser on this? Does look like it.



http://tinyurl.com/7wc9fvz

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:34 PM (jJRIy)

108 So the 9mm has over twice the pressure as a 380/aka a 9 mm short?

That doesn't sound right to me

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:29 PM (jJRIy)


You are correct. 9mm pressures are about 1.5 times the 380 - 30,000 to 20,000.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 01, 2016 04:35 PM (zc3Db)

109 Force = Mass X Acceleration.
Let's get it right.
*pedantry done*

Posted by: Old Blue at January 01, 2016 04:35 PM (9iR5/)

110 Nip Sip

9mm
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3j5sk97

45 acp
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2beabjp

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:35 PM (hVdx9)

111 88
Alfred Hitchcock already trashed the place with The Birds.


Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:24 PM (OEWRk)


That was shot in Bodega, not Bodega Bay, gosh darn it. I wanna win the lottery, buy a little place near the marina, and live out my days drinking Irish coffee, listening to the buoys, and watching the crab boats head out into the fog at o-dark-thirty every morning. Maybe make chainsaw sculptures of yellow-slickered fishermen, and seagulls on piles. And drinking lots of quality Sonoma wines.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at January 01, 2016 04:35 PM (yxw0r)

112 Maybe a story about a place not directly effected by the disaster, but threatened by the inhabitants of the area that was.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:35 PM (rwI+c)

113 Stolen from HA. Looks like Ben is going to be leaving soon, the rats are jumping ship.




http://tinyurl.com/j3as3v7

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:36 PM (jJRIy)

114 Also, the Chris Kyle's widow link actually goes to the DC piece about 4 self defense shootings in 5 days.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 01, 2016 04:36 PM (R+30W)

115 I fixed the Bob Owens link. I test all links before posting but I missed that one.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 01, 2016 04:36 PM (N8hFs)

116 And you couple that with his lying about the actions of the suspect and his not informing other officers to his own actions or rendering aid and you have all of the case you need to bring serious charges against this officer.

I mean you can here his own words on the body cam claiming the driver is refusing to get out of the car, BECAUSE YOU SHOT HIM DICK HEAD!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:36 PM (WVvzl)

117 Okay apparently I caused some confusion, but it wasn't dyslexia.

Most .380 cartridges are right around 200 ft.lbs. of energy at the muzzle (less at a distance).

Most 9mm cartridges are between Three Hundred Eighty (380) and Four Hundred Fifty (450), thus the confusion. That 380 was not .380.

Most .45 Auto cartridges run between 350-550 ft. lbs. energy.

Extra confusion: there are exotic cartridges ranging from high pressure (+p+) to lightweight bullets at high velocity that are outside those ranges.

Even more confusion: bullet design is at least as important as energy.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:37 PM (bLnSU)

118 No, the CW9 does not have a rail for a laser. There are other setups you can use tho.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:37 PM (hVdx9)

119 @110


Thanks, way too much information, ha ha. Looks like generally 45 is about 400-500 and 9 is around 300-400.




My LCP has a laser pointer and is a nice pocket gun. Might just save $500 and stay with the 380

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:38 PM (jJRIy)

120 The accidental cop shooting was bullshit. That was no inadvertent discharge. It's interesting that several minutes of that video were spent policing the area for a brass casing. Hmm.

Posted by: Fritz at January 01, 2016 04:39 PM (BngQR)

121 96
So the cop shot a man trying to escape a horrific rollover crash then tells dispatch that the man refuses to exit the vehicle.



The Bob Owens link is broken so I can't get to the rest of the story.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2016 04:30 PM (8PbKi)


From the DA's statement above, he doubted that he could get a jury to convict -- and the guy was still alive and could likely sue the officer.... Once the guy died, he has a much, much easier case for negligent homicide.

We'll see how much of that was PR and how much was real if/when he charges the negligent homicide.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 01, 2016 04:39 PM (EzgxV)

122
The second cop video clearly shows that only police officers can be trusted with guns.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 04:39 PM (ODxAs)

123 Also, the Chris Kyle's widow link actually goes to the DC piece about 4 self defense shootings in 5 days.

*sigh* Fixed.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 01, 2016 04:39 PM (N8hFs)

124 "I would never open carry."

I generally don't OC.

However, states with constitutional carry or OC laws are states I don't have to worry about getting arrested in because the butt of my pistol gets caught on my clothing and exposed.

Posted by: Kristophr at January 01, 2016 04:40 PM (jLXo8)

125 Here is a laser that works for the CW9
http://preview.tinyurl.com/o3nlsfj

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:40 PM (hVdx9)

126 Also another dumb question an can you put a laser on this? Does look like it.



http://tinyurl.com/7wc9fvz

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:34 PM (jJRIy)



Not a rail mounted laser, because no rail, but Crimson Trace makes one that goes over the trigger guard:

http://tinyurl.com/o3nlsfj

Posted by: Country Singer at January 01, 2016 04:41 PM (GUBah)

127 Why is there a place called Hurricane Gulch in Sausalito?

Grumpy, Niven and Pournelle already wrote that - Lucifer's Hammer.

This story is not about the earthquake, the quake sets in motion the events I am writing about.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:42 PM (OEWRk)

128 Don't know what you mean exactly. Do you mean 9mm Luger? If so, that's just another name for 9mm parabellum or 9x19, which are all what we commonly think of as 9mm.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 01, 2016 04:14 PM (kpqmD)


Thanks Insomniac. I did mean Luger. My 1st brain fart of 2016.

Posted by: tbodie at January 01, 2016 04:42 PM (S3Inb)

129 For me, Open Carry is only a benefit for when a cover garment inadvertently moves away, exposing the weapon.

Otherwise, in rare and controlled conditions, the wearing of a full BBQ rig for certain social outings is heartily endorsed.

But for just yutzing around town, with an open carried sidearm.... I'm disinclined to participate in that as a practice.

Still, the law is to our favor. Simple things like not having to grab a sport coat before you get out of the truck...you can get out, stand up, put the coat on....and your 20 seconds or so of Open Carry are no longer an offense.



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This x1 trillion!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 01, 2016 04:42 PM (oBghv)

130 My LCP has a laser pointer and is a nice pocket gun. Might just save $500 and stay with the 380


Posted by: Nip Sip
****

Sorry for the blizzard. I like to give too much as opposed to too little.

Or, you could buy the Kahr CW9 and the laser setup, and make the LCP your backup. 2 guns better than one...

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:42 PM (hVdx9)

131 However, states with constitutional carry or OC laws are states I don't have to worry about getting arrested in because the butt of my pistol gets caught on my clothing and exposed.

Posted by: Kristophr at January 01, 2016 04:40 PM (jLXo




Most useful reason to OC for me is while hunting, hiking, or camping. In town/around lots of people I'll CC.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 01, 2016 04:43 PM (GUBah)

132

Thanks Dave!

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 01, 2016 04:43 PM (R+30W)

133 I've a replica of the 1861 Colt Navy revolver. It fires either a spherical or conical bullet, and is .36 caliber.

The percussion caps are the #10 size.

It has been well-kept. Dad bought it new in the 60s and I am the one who put the most number of rounds through it.

Wanting to take it to an indoor range (yes, adequately ventilated for black powder shooting) I was wondering what is available today for black powder. Aren't there types in use today that make cleanup a little easier?

Posted by: the littl shyning man at January 01, 2016 04:43 PM (U6f54)

134 Bob, don't let my story thwart your dreams.

Though I already called dibs on tonight's Mega jackpot of $80 million cash.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 04:44 PM (OEWRk)

135 "I was wondering what is available today for black powder. Aren't there types in use today that make cleanup a little easier?

Posted by: the littl shyning man"

------------------

APP (American Pioneer Powder) or Triple7.

Be aware that Triple 7 is pretty hot stuff. And make sure you get the muzzleloader type, not the cartridge type. A web search of either of these should tell you all you need to know.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 01, 2016 04:45 PM (/pB9Z)

136 MORE VIGILANTE TEA PARTY GUN CULTURE INJUSTICE, what ever happened to the RIGHT of bring INNOCENT until being found GUILTY in a COURT of LAW

*snort*

From a leftist, who gladly accuses anything on anyone with zero evidence.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at January 01, 2016 04:46 PM (WWdgA)

137 @125

Holy shit for $178 that laser better guarantee a kill every shot.



$178 Thanks for the link. I am going to pass.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:48 PM (jJRIy)

138 Or, you could buy the Kahr CW9 and the laser setup, and make the LCP your backup. 2 guns better than one...

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:42 PM (hVdx9)

ha ha ha. I actually have TWO LCP with lasers, a K Tec 380 and three Seacamp 380s.

I love the little Seacamps, they are small as shit, but heavy since they are all SS.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:50 PM (jJRIy)

139 Hmmmm.... Hitchcockfest on BBC-A.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at January 01, 2016 04:51 PM (WWdgA)

140 Brent Mushmouth is doing the Rose Bowl. He cracks me up.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:52 PM (rwI+c)

141 Ha ha. For a quality laser that isn't a bad price.
Crimson Trace makes good stuff.
Sure you can find cheaper, but then reliability generally goes down.

I like this one, but don't plan to buy it anytime soon.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/jeqm4np

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:52 PM (hVdx9)

142 @121

This is one of the many thing that infuriates me...

From the DA statement....

"When interviewed, Feaster indicated that he was initially unsure if he actually fired the weapon."

"...In fact, it is very common for officers to not actually hear their
weapons firing due to the sudden stress of a deadly encounter."

REALLY???

In fact that's what offices say when they don't want to fess up to having fired their weapon.


It's fucking Dirty Harry bullshittery.

Well in all of the excitement I didn't realize I just fired two shot into an unarmed, defenseless non-threatening suspect.











Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:52 PM (WVvzl)

143 Kreplach- He only fired once. The firearm was immediately seized, and it only had space for one more round. Only one casing was recovered. The video shows the discharge with a distinctive "trident" blast from the ports on the firarm. The second flash, 2 frames later, was caused by the barrel-mounted flashlight illuminating the smoke from the discharge. Bear in mind that the camera was an older model, and that it was low-light conditions. Images captured in those conditions will show certain wavelengths more clearly than they would appear to the naked eye. I can tell you, unequivocally, that it was a single round.

Posted by: Jeff Greeson at January 01, 2016 04:53 PM (NplB/)

144 Thanks Insomniac. I did mean Luger. My 1st brain fart of 2016.

Posted by: tbodie at January 01, 2016 04:42 PM (S3Inb)


Now I'm confused. 9mm Luger *is* regular 9mm.

9mm is kind of confusing, though, I mean, 9mmx23 and 9mm Largo are close to the same dimensions, but if you load 9x23 Winchester in a 9x23 Largo gun you might lose a finger.

There are something like twenty 9mm cartridges, *not* including 9x18, which is 9.25mm.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:53 PM (bLnSU)

145 The various black powder substitutes are actually dirtier and more corrosive than plain old black powder.

If you want a cleaner black powder, I suggest using Swiss 3Fg in a pistol.

http://mainepowderhouse.com/


Posted by: Kristophr at January 01, 2016 04:55 PM (jLXo8)

146 Right on cue, NatGeo channel running an "Underworld, Inc" episode on guns.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 01, 2016 04:55 PM (GUBah)

147 ha ha ha. I actually have TWO LCP with lasers, a K Tec 380 and three Seacamp 380s.

I love the little Seacamps, they are small as shit, but heavy since they are all SS.


Posted by: Nip Sip
****
My dad loved his Kel-Tec in .32acp.
I like my P11.
I tend to avoid lasers as I've had bad luck with battery operated gun stuff.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:56 PM (hVdx9)

148 Anna, the tsunami would hit Hawaii.

I think SF would probably have an unusually low tide followed by a high tide "out of order" with its usual time, but I'm no tsunami expert.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 04:56 PM (bLnSU)

149 @142

I believe he fired twice. I believe a jury seeing that video would find he fired twice.

What was the chain of custody for the officers weapon?

He could have easily placed another round in his weapon to facilitate an accidental discharge claim.


Not buying it, not buying any of it.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 04:58 PM (WVvzl)

150 How long has Teal'c been the Stanford coach?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 04:59 PM (rwI+c)

151 "three Seacamp 380s"

I remember when finding Seacamps was like trying to find unicorns.
You have done quite well.
I still say consider a move to 9mm.

Full disclosure, I carry 9mm, but have moved to .45 acp.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 04:59 PM (hVdx9)

152 Right on cue, NatGeo channel running an "Underworld, Inc" episode on guns.

Posted by: CountrySinger


Part of the propaganda push for Barack Obama's next push to do something the Constitution and Supreme Court forbids, regarding the 2nd Amendment.

Or, maybe it will just be a tax.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at January 01, 2016 05:00 PM (+1T7c)

153 P-38.....Serial #8......nice! All metal where as the P-1 has the newfangled plastic but both are great pistols and very accurate in my opinion.

Nip Sip, keep your .380 and just upgrade your ammo to a nice wad cutter and you'll be good to go. Remember the best ammo is the one you put on the target.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 01, 2016 05:01 PM (ej1L0)

154
Does it really matter how many shots he fired? The guy was no threat at the point. + there was only 1 hit as I understand it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 05:01 PM (ODxAs)

155 Nip, my wife carries a 9mm, I have a 45, I picked up a Glock 43 just to feel, my wife had to drag me away from buying it. It was, in my opinion, a great choice for carry in 9 mm. Trade the 380, you'll be a happy boy.

Posted by: Root Doctor at January 01, 2016 05:03 PM (VV4qd)

156 Rose Bowl is definitely one of the coolest football stadiums.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 01, 2016 05:03 PM (/tuJf)

157 Part of the propaganda push...

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at January 01, 2016 05:00 PM (+1T7c)




Actually, it's pretty good. The "only criminals will have guns" argument is really buttressed when they're showing Filipino dudes turning out untraceable 1911s for $115.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 01, 2016 05:03 PM (GUBah)

158 Does Iowa have what it takes to win the Rose Bowl?

Brent says, "B-b-b-b-b-b-duh!!1!"

Posted by: Fritz at January 01, 2016 05:04 PM (BngQR)

159 The "only criminals will have guns" argument is really buttressed when they're showing Filipino dudes turning out untraceable 1911s for $115.


They aren't showing any web addresses perchance?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:05 PM (rwI+c)

160 "I believe he fired twice. I believe a jury seeing that video would find he fired twice. "

This is an example of "The Ferguson Effect"- because a fact does not fit the preconceived narrative, its rejected.

The weapon was immediately turned over to the OIC, and then immediately transferred to my office.

Posted by: Jeff Greeson at January 01, 2016 05:05 PM (NplB/)

161 they're showing Filipino dudes turning out untraceable 1911s for $115.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 01, 2016 05:03 PM (GUBah)


(looks at gun counter with $1000 1911s, sobs audibly)

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 05:05 PM (bLnSU)

162 @154

Actually it does matter how many shots were fired.

Multiple shots can potentially demonstrate lethal intent.

Firing a single shot accidentally is potentially justifiable, firing multiple times is increasingly harder to justify.




Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 05:06 PM (WVvzl)

163 Question answered: Teal'c's 4th year as coach.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:06 PM (rwI+c)

164 I have some pistol permits will look next week when everyone goes back to work.



The Seacamps? I lied, mine are the old 32's that only shoot silver tips. I've had them for 20 years? Who remembers.


Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 05:07 PM (jJRIy)

165 First play, Stanford TD.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:07 PM (rwI+c)

166
My opinion is 1 shot demonstrated lethal intent, especially considering the immediate lie on the police radio.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 05:07 PM (ODxAs)

167 7-0 Standford. 11 seconds in.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:08 PM (rwI+c)

168 Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:05 PM (rwI+c)

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 05:05 PM (bLnSU)



Seriously, it's three dudes in a shack in the Philippine jungle. They work 12 hours a day every day hand making them. Said they turn out 5 a month and sell them to a smuggler for $115.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 01, 2016 05:08 PM (GUBah)

169 they're showing Filipino dudes turning out untraceable 1911s for $115.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 01, 2016 05:03 PM (GUBah)

(looks at gun counter with $1000 1911s, sobs audibly)

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith
****

Well if you want to go chase the $100 1911's, you can give me your expensive ones.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 05:08 PM (hVdx9)

170
Well, there was some lethal intent right there in the Rose Bowl.

First play Stanford touchdown.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 05:08 PM (ODxAs)

171 Wow. Standford scores on the first play from scrimmage, 75 yard catch and run by McCaffery.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 01, 2016 05:08 PM (/tuJf)

172 Jeff Greeson, can you answer my questions at #70?

Posted by: Weirddave at January 01, 2016 05:09 PM (N8hFs)

173 Having watched the video several times, I agree that the officer only fired one shot.

But why would he draw his weapon on someone trying to climb out of an overturned vehicle? Am I missing something?

Posted by: rickl at January 01, 2016 05:10 PM (sdi6R)

174 As opposed to those Pakistanis who are still turning out British bolt action rifles stamped 1890 or so?

Merovign, when I win tonight and after hiring Tyrell Corp to tackle the medical as opposed to OCP Research Div. Want a 1911? Or perhaps something in the 40W plasma range?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 05:10 PM (OEWRk)

175 @160

This is not an example of the Ferguson effect.

The two cases could not be more different.

Again, we have the video, we have the bodycam audio, we know he tried to contemporaniously cover up his actions. Why should I not believe he would go to further lengths to cover up his actions

I understand that you are trying to justify your office declining to bring charges against this officer but your being too cute by half with the level of mendacity.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 05:11 PM (WVvzl)

176 Meroving, check Ruger's 1911 Commander, it's new to the market with a MSRP of $799.00, however Academy Sports had them on special in the $500's.

Posted by: Root Doctor at January 01, 2016 05:11 PM (VV4qd)

177 Seriously, it's three dudes in a shack in the Philippine jungle. They work 12 hours a day every day hand making them. Said they turn out 5 a month and sell them to a smuggler for $115.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 01, 2016 05:08 PM (GUBah)


And realistically, while almost all of them work, you wouldn't want one. Kind of improvised and holes in the wrong places, the ones I've seen.

That was many years ago, though, they could be 3D printing them from design files for all I know.

I have some blueprints around for Beretta, SIG and Colt guns, with CAM code. Would probably still cost less to buy one, for now.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 05:11 PM (bLnSU)

178 Wanting to take it to an indoor range (yes,
adequately ventilated for black powder shooting) I was wondering what is
available today for black powder. Aren't there types in use today that
make cleanup a little easier?
Posted by: the littl shyning man at January 01, 2016 04:43 PM (U6f54)


BP is easy to clean. Remove the grips, disassemble and then use dish-soap and finish with dousing with boiling water. Let it cool a bit and evaporate most of the water, lube up and re-assemble.

Sam Fadala, the black powder author, always suggested running the Colt Navy and Army through the dishwasher.



Posted by: Kindltot at January 01, 2016 05:11 PM (q2o38)

179 The Seacamps? I lied, mine are the old 32's that only shoot silver tips. I've had them for 20 years? Who remembers.

Posted by: Nip Sip
*****

Like unicorns. You could sell two and probably pay for the Kahr and the laser.
I've seen maybe a dozen in my whole life.
Better mousetrap and all...

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 05:11 PM (hVdx9)

180 I saw that "Chicago" video some years ago. The thug got what was coming to him because he had a second weapon (a handgun) and he was going for it, which the officer behind him saw. This is why he got shot and why the shooting was rules as justified.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at January 01, 2016 05:12 PM (AYY6Y)

181 Jeff @ 160 - No, it's an example of people not trusting the police or the DA's office because we've seen too many instances of police literally getting away with murder.

I used to be a law and order guy, but since cops' first and only prioirity is going home safe at the end of the shift, I no longer trust the 'roided up thugs.

Posted by: Butch at January 01, 2016 05:13 PM (hXu8T)

182 I stand corrected Nip Sip. Per Gunbroker you sell One and buy the Kahr and laser. Sell Two and you could buy the Kahr, the laser, a holster, and practice ammo.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 05:15 PM (hVdx9)

183
So the 9mm has over twice the pressure as a 380/aka a 9 mm short?



That doesn't sound right to me

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 04:29 PM (jJRIy)


Kinetic energy = mass x velocity squared

Doubling velocity quadruples kinetic energy. You don't need to double the pressure to increase velocity enough to double kinetic energy.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 01, 2016 05:15 PM (RcpcZ)

184 @173

I've fired many handguns of many different calibers, and so have many on this blog for that matter, I see two distinct discharges.

Absent body cam audio to help verify the claim of a single shot, I see two discharges, a jury could easily be persuaded to see that.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 05:15 PM (WVvzl)

185 Now that Thomas has died, we are reviewing the facts
anew. Negligent homicide, unlike assault, can be the result of an
omission or failure to perform a duty. Expect a charging decision in the
next week or two. Be aware, however, that are standard is not "was this
a bad thing that happened." Clearly this was, but our standard is
whether or not we can prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, to all 12
strangers drawn from the community, that every element of the charged
offense is true. Despite how bad the video looks, this is not a clear
cut and obvious case.

Posted by: Jeff Greeson at January 01, 2016 04:02 PM (NplB/)

The jurisdiction must have a very nuanced definition of 'homicide'.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 01, 2016 05:16 PM (T78UI)

186 Cryin' wont help ya. Prayin' won't do ya no good.

Posted by: When Obama's EO levee breaks at January 01, 2016 05:16 PM (FkBIv)

187 So I am presuming that we have covered Natalie Cole's death, may she rest in peace.

I read somewhere that her father Nat explained his heroin addiction this way. At the start of his career, Black musicians had to stay wherever they could, usually in a "colored" flop house or someone's home. Usually those sleeping quarters were in the worst parts of town and were always un-airconditioned, most did not even have a working fan. So when you needed to sleep during the day in order to perform that night, you shot up with heroin and the heat and noise did not matter. Sure, it was a loser's move to do horse, but, they never expected to win, so when they did get a big career and could stay in nice places, the monkey on their back was large and in charge.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 01, 2016 05:17 PM (kXoT0)

188 Burnt Toast @ 185 - When Only Ones do it, not homicide. When proles do it, homicide.

Posted by: Butch at January 01, 2016 05:19 PM (hXu8T)

189 This game will get out of hand quickly.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:19 PM (rwI+c)

190
I guess if Kreplach and some of us disagree, then Mr Greeson has a point that it may not be as clear cut it seems to each of us.

I do want to thank him for stopping by with his insight.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 05:19 PM (ODxAs)

191 Bob Owens has written extensively about accidental discharge via trigger testing. (I think that's what he calls it) Essentially it's unconsciously preloading a trigger to be right at the point of firing. The problem of accidental discharge is showing up on short pull triggers, especially when the shooter is used to long trigger pulls.

Now, I'm not defending the police - many are bad people and I have the scars to prove it. But this may have really been a case of accidental discharge. Still, he used bad judgement by not reporting the shot to the other officers.

Posted by: Xavier at January 01, 2016 05:20 PM (3X3Pk)

192 McCaffery is ridiculously good at football.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 01, 2016 05:21 PM (/tuJf)

193 >>>This game will get out of hand quickly.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of
equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:19 PM (rwI+c)<<<

**arches eyebrow**
Indeed.

Posted by: the Stanford Coach at January 01, 2016 05:21 PM (H9MG5)

194 Are the DA's in California not required to present unnatural or questionable deaths to a grand jury? They are here in Alabama.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:21 PM (rwI+c)

195 It could be Mr. Greeson has some info we do not and that he cannot release at this time, but it sure does not look good for the officer.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 05:22 PM (hVdx9)

196 McCaffery is ridiculously good at football.

Really shows how important genes are, doesn't it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 05:22 PM (ODxAs)

197 This game will get out of hand quickly.
Posted by: Grump928(C)


Iowa looks like a bunch of inept schmucks out there.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at January 01, 2016 05:23 PM (+1T7c)

198 When I was on the GJ last year, we had to deal with several interesting and mysterious deaths to determine whether foul play was involved.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:23 PM (rwI+c)

199 Posted by: cthulhu at January 01, 2016 04:39 PM (EzgxV)

I find it fascinating that the DA (apparently) found it necessary to comment *here*. Does this thread have that big of a reach? Are they doing that Google-ping thingy that certain bicycle crazed bloggers do? It makes an average person go "hmmm".

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 01, 2016 05:23 PM (GDulk)

200 Behold the power of this fully armed and operational Gub Thread.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:24 PM (rwI+c)

201 >>Really shows how important genes are, doesn't it.

Yep.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 01, 2016 05:24 PM (/tuJf)

202 Does this thread have that big of a reach? Are they doing that Google-ping thingy that certain bicycle crazed bloggers do? It makes an average person go "hmmm".

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 01, 2016 05:23 PM (GDulk)


*Aliens.*

Posted by: Giorgio Tsoukalolopolis at January 01, 2016 05:25 PM (bLnSU)

203
Does this thread have that big of a reach?

You're nationwide baby, nationwide.

Posted by: Bob at the NSA at January 01, 2016 05:25 PM (ODxAs)

204 You're nationwide baby, nationwide.


Dammit. **pulls on pants**

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:26 PM (rwI+c)

205 Arrrrg. LLAMA 82/87 on gunbroker!
Can't buy. Waaaaaaa!

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 05:27 PM (hVdx9)

206 It's not a competition M87, is it?

I want to know if I need to break down in tears.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 05:27 PM (bLnSU)

207 182
I stand corrected Nip Sip. Per Gunbroker you sell One and buy the Kahr
and laser. Sell Two and you could buy the Kahr, the laser, a holster,
and practice ammo.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 05:15 PM (hVdx9)

Wow! One has never been shot and I have the boxes and everything.

Bad news, I bought two leather holsters, the one for the seacamp fits perfect, the one for the LCP doesn't and I can not remember who I bought them from and find the email.

OLD

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 05:28 PM (jJRIy)

208 As for open carry versus concealed carry, I don't do either, but, I am thinking of getting my concealed carry. I do think open carry makes you a target, however, if you think it's best for you and your training and skill level, then do it.

Late fiance's son is a deputy sheriff and he just made SWAT, so it was interesting to see people's reactions to him in his SWAT garb versus his regular uniform there in the hospital. My fiance had just been admitted and his son had just gotten there, the first doctor to come into the room turned to his son and said, "Are you here for him?" gesturing at my fiance. The son said yes. The doctor froze and said "So do I need to stay clear of the bed and out of your line of fire." I piped up and said, "You can if you want, but, that's his son."

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 01, 2016 05:28 PM (kXoT0)

209 @191

Which is to a large extent the point.

We all know in the heat of the moment with an officer in hot pursuit, weapon drawn that an accidental discharge can occur.

But the officer did not fess up to it contemporaneously and now the DA is putting on this dog and pony show about how sometimes officers don't even realize they fired their weapon.

Hogwash!!

He unholstered his weapon, he raised his weapon, he pointed his weapon, it's in front of his face when he, squeezes off, to my eyes, two shots.

In the immortal words of Matt Hooper, "This was no boating accident!"

Now as to what he should have been charged with I don't know but as we have seen all to often, DA's can be incredibly inventive with their charging instruments.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 01, 2016 05:28 PM (WVvzl)

210 It *IS*! AAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!

(digs through change jar, weeping)

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 05:29 PM (bLnSU)

211 The NIB one?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:29 PM (rwI+c)

212 I can't listen to mushberger. He grates on me

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 05:30 PM (jJRIy)

213 Thanks to everyone who gave me advise on hand guns. I had struggled with trying to learn how to safely shoot a semi auto but had difficulty with pulling back the slide (hard for my mid 50's hand to do).

Someone mentioned that I may want to try a revolver and I did and love it. I purchased a Smith Wesson 642 and have gone to the range 3 times and I feel safe and in control. I didn't get the laser site because I want to be proficient without it but maybe my next one.

Thanks again horde my friends.

Posted by: bossybarb at January 01, 2016 05:30 PM (dwT/R)

214 I can't listen to mushberger. He grates on me


He cracks me up. You can never tell what will pop out of his mouth, or mumble out, as the case may be.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:31 PM (rwI+c)

215 Once again Tilikum and Merovign prove why the Internet is a dangerous thing to one's bank account.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 05:31 PM (OEWRk)

216 211
The NIB one?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of
equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:29 PM (rwI+c)

I have boxes for all three. I don't think any of them have had 50 rounds through them. I bought them sort as an investment.

Why fire the little things?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 05:31 PM (jJRIy)

217
Iowa trying to buck up and not get blown out.

I just don't know if they can stop the stanford O.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 05:32 PM (ODxAs)

218 Once again Tilikum and Merovign prove why the Internet is a dangerous thing to one's bank account.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 05:31 PM (OEWRk)


Sadly, more dangerous to my happiness than my bank account. I am running out of money, my rent's going up, I have to move - yeah, I'mma totes buy a gun now.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 05:33 PM (bLnSU)

219 That oughta do it.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 01, 2016 05:33 PM (/tuJf)

220 Pick6 Stanford.

21-0 (presuming the PA)


Out of hand.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:33 PM (rwI+c)

221 217

Iowa trying to buck up and not get blown out.

I just don't know if they can stop the stanford O.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 05:32 PM (ODxAs)

Turned it off, looks to me Stanford, at home, is going to beat the shit out of them.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 05:33 PM (jJRIy)

222
ooops. Blowout.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 05:34 PM (ODxAs)

223 >>>Iowa trying to buck up and not get blown out.

I just don't know if they can stop the stanford O.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2016 05:32 PM (ODxAs)<<<

Spoke a leeeeeeeetle too soon.

Posted by: Stanford D, in on the scoring too at January 01, 2016 05:34 PM (H9MG5)

224 Well, this one's over early.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 01, 2016 05:34 PM (kTF2Z)

225 Hate to be an Iowa fan who flew or drove to L.A. for the Rose Bowl.

Not looking good for them.

Posted by: HH at January 01, 2016 05:35 PM (DrCtv)

226 I like this Snowman commercial. Asylum needs to make this film.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:35 PM (rwI+c)

227 Do you all realize how rich Stanford is? They own a LOT of google. The guys that started it went there..


OK. TCM, now Close Encounters, waste.



BUT 8:00 Magnificent Seven, all time great Western and plot.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 05:36 PM (jJRIy)

228 I hate to hear that Merovign.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 05:36 PM (OEWRk)

229 Crap. Missed most of the Gun Thread again.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 01, 2016 05:37 PM (083Sj)

230 >>Do you all realize how rich Stanford is? They own a LOT of google. The guys that started it went there..

The guys who started Cisco taught there. Stanford has a lot of talent in Bay Area tech companies.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 01, 2016 05:37 PM (/tuJf)

231 Crap. Missed most of the Gun Thread again.

It's gone Football/Gub. We're good to 500.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:37 PM (rwI+c)

232 I'm a Glock guy, so if I were going to get a small 9, it'd be a 26, probably.

I have a 27 and I can conceal that under a tight t-shirt, and it's the same size as the 26. I can also do that with a 30, which is about an eight of an inch larger in all dimensions.

So, I'd try the larges 9mm I could conceal comfortably, not the smallest one I could conceal. If that makes sense.

I like simple firearms, but I know the Glocks aren't for everyone.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 01, 2016 05:37 PM (k1gv+)

233 I hate to hear that Merovign.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2016 05:36 PM (OEWRk)


Yep. Stupid lottery people won't give me my money just because I didn't win.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 01, 2016 05:38 PM (bLnSU)

234 Once again Tilikum and Merovign prove why the Internet is a dangerous thing to one's bank account.


Posted by: Anna Puma
****

I need to sell a kidney.
Anyone want to go camping?

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 05:38 PM (hVdx9)

235 >>>BUT 8:00 Magnificent Seven, all time great Western and plot.

Not to mention the music score.

Posted by: HH at January 01, 2016 05:38 PM (DrCtv)

236 226
I like this Snowman commercial. Asylum needs to make this film.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of
equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:35 PM (rwI+c)


I think it's a theft from Doctor Who.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at January 01, 2016 05:39 PM (yxw0r)

237 @232 I'm looking real hard at a 43 for EDC. Thoughts?

Posted by: Xavier at January 01, 2016 05:39 PM (3X3Pk)

238 Stiff wrist gun the P-38

Posted by: Johnson at January 01, 2016 05:41 PM (hforh)

239 @232

I have a 27, in 40, but I don't care for Glock safety.




Mighty big gun to carry concealed to me. I use to carry it in car, but now I just carry the little LCP 380.


Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 05:41 PM (jJRIy)

240 Guess who's awake...

Posted by: HH at January 01, 2016 05:42 PM (DrCtv)

241 Everyone I personally know with a Glock likes it. I just am not comfortable with a striker fired pistol. I like to see the hammer.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 05:42 PM (rwI+c)

242 I just don't think the 43's that much smaller, and you lose the ability to back up the pistol with a larger double stack mag from a Glock 17.

But, if you can't stash the 26, most people seem to really enjoy the 43's, though they also tend towards a heavier trigger pull.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 01, 2016 05:42 PM (k1gv+)

243 "Wow! One has never been shot and I have the boxes and everything."

Wow. Heck, I'm still impressed you found 3 from back then.
Like I said, I remember when finding one was like finding an SSU.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 05:42 PM (hVdx9)

244 I've been open carrying for about seven years now. I open carry when it is inconvenient to wear a jacket and concealed carry when the weather gets cold. As mentioned above one of the great advantages of OC (other than not having to wear a jacket in 90 degree weather) is that you don't have to worry about someone accidentally seeing your carry gun.

However, as far as the "makes you a target" meme that anti-OC advocates constantly parrot, in seven years of being active in the OC community, this is the first news story I've heard of someone actually being targeted for their gun. Seems to me there are a lot easier ways to get a gun than attacking someone who presumably is willing to shoot you.

Posted by: Heresolong at January 01, 2016 05:42 PM (ntIeo)

245 It's tough going for Iowa now; down three TDs and it's three and out? Jeez.

Posted by: IC at January 01, 2016 05:42 PM (+3RH+)

246 Ace, nood.

Posted by: m at January 01, 2016 05:42 PM (d4uu4)

247 Xavier, I'm not a Glock man, but the 43 felt as good as any carry I've owned.

Posted by: Root Doctor at January 01, 2016 05:43 PM (VV4qd)

248 I have a P-38 and a pretty new P-1, which is same gun basically.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 05:44 PM (jJRIy)

249 Actually better than any carry I've owned.

Posted by: Root Doctor at January 01, 2016 05:44 PM (VV4qd)

250 I would never carry a Glock or equivalent without a stiff-mouthed holster. Definitely need to be careful about holster maintenance and what can get into the guard.

But once I was used to it, doesn't concern me anymore than my DA/SA pistols do.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 01, 2016 05:44 PM (k1gv+)

251 243
"Wow! One has never been shot and I have the boxes and everything."



Wow. Heck, I'm still impressed you found 3 from back then.

Like I said, I remember when finding one was like finding an SSU.



Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 05:42 PM (hVdx9)

I didn't find them, I waited six months for each of them.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 01, 2016 05:45 PM (jJRIy)

252
What would be the best concealed carry holster for my new AK-47 pistol?

j/k

It really is a ridiculous looking weapon, but could easily be mistaken for a pellet gun or paint ball gun...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at January 01, 2016 05:46 PM (4DCSq)

253 Huh. Gun thread.
Right now I'm thinking of the scene in Men At Work where charlie sheen shoots the guy with with a pellet gun.

Asshole neighbor is out there with his leaf blower again (2nd or 3rd time today). It rained the last 3 days, all the leaves fell off the trees months ago - what the hell are you accomplishing, dickhead? Other than annoying everyone on the block?

/rant off

Posted by: Chi at January 01, 2016 05:47 PM (UICf+)

254 @244 Yeah, that article is from April of last year. I think attempted disarming of OC's is such a small percentage. Extremely small group that do OC, and reliably would report if it happened. Does it happen? Probably, but like you say, why would someone attempt to disarm someone who at least has a chance at fighting back AND who knows how else around you IS CC? So it's a scare argument. To each their own. The more OC is see, the better I feel. It makes the criminals focus on the OC"ers and I would submit, most of them go somewhere else to commit their crimes.

Posted by: Yip at January 01, 2016 05:49 PM (e7T6D)

255 Good luck with the AK pistol.

Posted by: Root Doctor at January 01, 2016 05:53 PM (VV4qd)

256 those troops might be targeted for their weapons

In 2007, a pair of S. Korean Marines were ran over and attacked with a knife to steal their weapons. The thief took a grenade a rifle and several magazines. One of the Marines died. My google fu is weak right now, though.

Posted by: Lumpy at January 01, 2016 06:01 PM (y/bte)

257
Had an argument--not a debate-- the other day with an opinionated person about how I carry my 1911. He claims it's unsafe and one day I'll kill someone with an AD.

FTR, I carry in either a belt or shoulder rig, weapon cocked and locked with one in the spout.--just as was intended.

Anyone have an opinion about that here?

Posted by: irongraampa at January 01, 2016 06:02 PM (jeCnD)

258 Had an argument--not a debate-- the other day with an opinionated person about how I carry my 1911. He claims it's unsafe and one day I'll kill someone with an AD.

FTR, I carry in either a belt or shoulder rig, weapon cocked and locked with one in the spout.--just as was intended.

Anyone have an opinion about that here?


Posted by: irongraampa
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Let me guess, it will fail the drop test and go off?
If you are carrying a 1911 from WWII era perhaps.
For the modern ones it is quite unlikely.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 06:04 PM (hVdx9)

259 The old 1911 fire condition argument. Heh .. Good times.

Posted by: Yip at January 01, 2016 06:06 PM (e7T6D)

260
The weapon was immediately turned over to the OIC, and then immediately transferred to my office.

Posted by: Jeff Greeson at January 01, 2016 05:05 PM (NplB/)









Is it me, or does it seem really unseemly for someone from the DA's office to be posting info about an ongoing investigation?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 01, 2016 06:06 PM (o98Jz)

261 The old 1911 fire condition argument. Heh .. Good times.


Posted by: Yip
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Sounds like someone hasn't kept up with the times and wants to give crap to someone that has.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 06:08 PM (hVdx9)

262 Is it me, or does it seem really unseemly for someone from the DA's office to be posting info about an ongoing investigation?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur
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Times are a changin'
The days when they could remain silent seem to be gone.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 06:09 PM (hVdx9)

263 That wasn't a shot at you Yip, just the person IG had a fight with.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at January 01, 2016 06:11 PM (hVdx9)

264 I think it's callled Condition A and I like it.

Posted by: Root Doctor at January 01, 2016 06:12 PM (VV4qd)

265 @260.... that came to my mind too as I read the thread.. kinda odd. Especially with his specificity and how very real legal consequences are in play... or should be.

Posted by: Yip at January 01, 2016 06:13 PM (e7T6D)

266 All good @263 heh heh. I'll admit my dander rose for a second... I got ready to get internet enraged... then I took another read... took another swig from my Belhaven Scottish Ale that's soothing me this afternoon... remembered where I was a reading... and assumed same as you clarified. Thanks all the same!

Posted by: Yip at January 01, 2016 06:15 PM (e7T6D)

267 Re 1911 carry conditions:

I think a lot of times people argue two different issues with that. One is how it was originally intended to be carried, and how it's carried now.

Prior to the manual safety being added, of course it was carried without one in the spout. For the same reason you don't keep one under the hammer on an SAA.

Now, with the manual safety, there is zero reason to not keep it cocked and locked.

What condition was did this worry-wort believe it should be carried in? Hammer down without one in the chamber? With one in the chamber?

Really, 1911 carry arguments are usually pretty dumb. And come down to lawyering over semantics.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 01, 2016 06:22 PM (k1gv+)

268 I'm a long time moron, and I want to make sure the folks in my tribe are getting the best information I don't want you guys out there on the INternet being wrong!

Also, the elected DA has asked us to engage with the public regarding this issue. We want to be completely open because of the sensitivity of the situation.

Posted by: Jeff Greeson at January 01, 2016 06:31 PM (NplB/)

269 you'd have to have both the grip safety and the slide safety to fail for a cropped 1911 to AD...

which is why you always perform a function test on them prior to use.

oh yeah, and we picked up the first new gun of the year today: Enfield #4 Mk2 in almost new condition...

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 01, 2016 06:33 PM (QUnwu)

270 My dad has a P38 that he bought for $50 back in 1970. It has the Nazi eagle stamped in the receiver and the eagle stamped in the holster.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at January 01, 2016 06:34 PM (g4VbG)

271 Thanks Jeff. It looks horrid, but you guys know that already.. Appreciate trying to get the word out... that makes sense. Surely there will be civil ramifications, ie a settlement or suit sometime, because if even inadvertent or accidental, that shoot about turned my stomach.

Posted by: Yip at January 01, 2016 06:37 PM (e7T6D)

272 @ 267


He wants it hammer down nothing in the spout.

He indicated that they rack so quickly that you can be ready for action instantly. That the Israelis carry like that,so I should.

I told him that I wasn't a proponent of carrying a rock in a shoulder rig.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 01, 2016 06:37 PM (jeCnD)

273 redc1c4 ! congrats on the Enfield! I'm jealous.

Posted by: Yip at January 01, 2016 06:38 PM (e7T6D)

274 #269 you got a good one.

Posted by: Root Doctor at January 01, 2016 06:40 PM (VV4qd)

275 Because it's completely unlikely you won't need to use your offhand to make some space between you and an attacker. /sarc.

I really don't like arguing the whole Israeli thing for how other people want to carry. But when they insist I should carry that way, I get pissed.

Posted by: Chupacabra at January 01, 2016 06:42 PM (k1gv+)

276 I will continue to carry Condition A.

Posted by: Root Doctor at January 01, 2016 06:44 PM (VV4qd)

277 Yeah, I don't like the arguing. If you carry condition 1, you know it and should act accordingly. If you're carrying condition 3... well, lets' hope you have all the things fall in line for you to draw and charge your pistol. I'd say, most folks who hate condition 1 in a 1911 aren't carrying them anyway.

Posted by: Yip at January 01, 2016 06:45 PM (e7T6D)

278 "Are the DA's in California not required to present unnatural or questionable deaths to a grand jury? They are here in Alabama."

No. Grand juries are rare in California.

Posted by: Jeff Greeson at January 01, 2016 07:04 PM (NplB/)

279 No. Grand juries are rare in California.


Interesting. Like I said, when I was on the GJ, besides inspecting the county jail as required by law, and inspecting their books (as if I was qualified to do that), we had to deal with several odd deaths.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 01, 2016 07:09 PM (rwI+c)

280 "# 46, can you tell me what justification the officer had for drawing his weapon in the first place? Is it common for officers in your jurisdiction to approach traffic accidents with drawn weapons? I've been in a rollover car crash, and my first action was to crawl out of the window as Mr. Thomas did. Is that considered a hostile act?"

Weirddave- this was an issue of much debate. There was a consensus, however, among the officers that reviewed the case that drawing his weapon was not required, but was nevertheless arguably appropriate in this case. Bear in mind that there was a rollover collision caused by someone fleeing police. Also know that there was a woman on the ground about 5 feet away from Officer Feaster that was dying (it was Thomas' ex-wife, and she was declared dead at the scene.) This fact hasn't been discussed enough in media accounts.

Posted by: Jeff Greeson at January 01, 2016 07:09 PM (NplB/)

281 Here's a short and informative article by Bob Owens. It's well worth reading, for both relation to the video and real life situations you may encounter.


http://bearingarms.com/lasd-sees-rise-negligent-discharges-gun-switch/

Posted by: Xavier at January 01, 2016 07:31 PM (3X3Pk)

282 Funny story about Walther P-38 and gun control. The Japanese toy company Takara released in the early 1980s a series of toy robots that turned into other things. These toys were part of their Microman/Microchange subset and 3 of them were robots that turned into fairly accurate replica pistols:a 357 Magnum revolver, a Browning Hi-Power, and a Walther P-38. The Japanese, not being a bunch of hand wringing goofballs, made no move to regulate these toys. Not even an orange cap on the barrel. In 1984 US toy company Hasbro, mostly known for GI Joe, bought some of Takara's Walther robots, boxed them in new packaging, and made up a new story to go with him. He was now Megatron, tyrannical leader of the evil Decepticons and a Transformer. No regulation or orange cap there, either. Hasbro partners in other parts of the world, like Australia, sold Megatron toys in roughly the same fashion. Over the years, though, it got harder and harder to sell any kind of toy gun in the US. Megatron bounced between transforming into tanks and planes for about 20 years before Hasbro tried a gun mode in 2006. It looked more like a Nerf Maverick than a Walther, though. In 2007 Hasbro and Takara decided to take a risk on a new Walther Megatron. It was a $200 collectors piece, STUNNING, show accurate robot mode and transformed into a slightly larger than usual Walther P-38 replica. Some Americans winced, but Has/Tak bent over backwards and included a removable orange barrel cap. Australia, however, was not impressed by any sorts of gymnastics. Law enforcement there seized the first few waves of toys and tossed them in the shredder for violating their gun control laws. Trying to explain it was just a toy and there was even an orange cap did no good. A few die hard collectors begged and pleaded, all their manners were polite, and they were allowed to keep their Megatrons under several conditions. They had to join a gun club, even if they owned no actual firearms. They had to register the toy. Then they had to buy a locked box for it, put it in a room with bars on the windows, and put another lock on that rooms door. On top of that would be surprise inspections from time to time to make sure you are complying. I'm sure there's some toy collector in Australia that keeps a Dragon Dildo in the case with Megatron just to piss off the inspectors, i know i would!

Posted by: hurricane567 at January 02, 2016 01:30 AM (lL09r)

283 I have a 1943 P-38 that was given to me by a WW2 vet on his deathbed. It was made by Spreewerke and has indications of blood splatter. It has a fine single action trigger pull that beats my tuned 1911.

Posted by: Dons at January 02, 2016 12:00 PM (FTI54)

284 I have a late comment here:

Show of hands for anyone who thinks that a DA's office would do all the same amount of studying of a video if some random dude off the street had walked up on a traffic accident pulled out a gun and shot somebody trying to get out of a car.

What exactly fear for his life situation was the officer in that he DREW HIS WEAPON in the first place? Was he afraid the guy crawling out of his car was a zombie and he had to make sure he didn't bite him?





Posted by: An Observation at January 02, 2016 03:28 PM (HQnui)

285 If the officer drew his pistol because he was afraid for his life, WHY DID HE PUT IT BACK IN THE HOLSTER after he didn't know he shot somebody?

Here is what actually happened:
1. He drew the pistol intending to shoot the person.
2. He shot him.
3. He re-holstered the gun because he was done doing what he wanted to do with his gun.

This was not negligent homicide, this was 2nd degree murder; he was angry because the guy ran from him - so he deliberately shot him for that reason and no other.


Posted by: An Observation at January 02, 2016 03:58 PM (HQnui)

286 Notice in the video that Feaster goes back to the spot where he shot - then looks to the right with his trying to find the ejected shell casing. DA explanation of the shooting is pure BS.


Posted by: An Observation at January 02, 2016 04:33 PM (HQnui)

287 Open carry folks should think about the military use of lanyards.
To retain that weapon is paramount to yours and everyone's safety.
Yes, there are people who will take you down just to steal your weapon and NO they are not afraid of your gun.

Posted by: obsidian at January 03, 2016 10:29 AM (ARK2U)

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