Rubio Vs. Cruz on Amnesty

andy McCarthy has a great piece explaining that no, Cruz has not previously supported amnesty -- and Rubio knows that, but is claiming otherwise to make Cruz seem "just as bad" as Rubio on the subject.

Rubio knows he cannot make himself look better on the subject; and, in fact, it seems like he does not even want to make himself look "better" to those who disagree with him. Rubio is pro-amnesty deep in his heart. He's not just bought and paid for by amnesty-seeking billionaires -- if he were, we could change his opinion by simply changing his patron.

No, he's a true believer, and doesn't want to renounce his enthusiasm for amnesty.

So, unable (and unwilling) to make his position look better to the Republican primary electorate, he tries to make Cruz look worse.

A really interesting take by McCarthy. Do read it.

Also, Ted Cruz released his immigration policy yesterday. He has been criticized for proposing expanding the H1B visa pool; now he calls for suspending the program for six months and halting it if unemployment remains high.


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1 Hello Ace!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 16, 2015 12:49 PM (qCMvj)

2 not first

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 16, 2015 12:50 PM (ZQfW9)

3

Always thought Cruz a long shot, still holding my breath.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 16, 2015 12:50 PM (qCMvj)

4 Two illegal immigrants talking about amnesty.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 12:51 PM (lQmaY)

5 Too many Ahmed "Mi nombre es Jose!" Mohammeds sneakin' across the border in too-obvious Tijuana sombreros.

Posted by: zombie at November 16, 2015 12:51 PM (jBuUi)

6 These are not the words I'm looking for.

[jedi master hand wave]

Posted by: Allendale Badlent at November 16, 2015 12:51 PM (Xuqr4)

7 >>He has been criticized for proposing expanding the H1B visa pool; now he calls for suspending the program for six months and halting it if unemployment remains high.

So you get laid off in 6 months instead of 6 weeks. Yippee.

Sorry, nobody is going to convince me that have a shortage of workers in any field right now.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 16, 2015 12:51 PM (/tuJf)

8 4 Two illegal immigrants talking about amnesty.
Posted by: Boss Moss/i]

I thought both their dads were LEGAL Cuban immigrants.

Posted by: zombie at November 16, 2015 12:52 PM (jBuUi)

9 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at November 16, 2015 12:52 PM (GwIKd)

10 unitalic

Posted by: zombie at November 16, 2015 12:52 PM (jBuUi)

11 RINO Rubio can't walk back his sellout in the gang of 8.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 16, 2015 12:52 PM (t2KH5)

12 They'll tell you who they fear.

Posted by: T at November 16, 2015 12:52 PM (bj0gZ)

13 Correct. Rubio is not a puppet of sinister back room cigar-smoking evil billionaires, he's a genuine supporter of amnesty and open borders because he believes its the right thing to do (like President Bush before him). He's wrong, but he's wrong honestly, as it were.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 12:54 PM (39g3+)

14
Rubio is the Cuban Paul Ryan.

GOP Estab to the core.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 16, 2015 12:54 PM (ODxAs)

15 Six months? How about 60 years?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 16, 2015 12:54 PM (4ErVI)

16 My plan is simple. Allow people into the country, club them over the head, take their jewelry.

Posted by: Ted Fucking Cruz at November 16, 2015 12:54 PM (TJCSB)

17 Suspend H1B for 6 months ? How about 6 years ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 16, 2015 12:55 PM (erRNA)

18 Too many Ahmed "Mi nombre es Jose!" Mohammeds sneakin' across the border in too-obvious Tijuana sombreros.

Posted by: zombie at November 16, 2015 12:51 PM (jBuUi)




Yes, but they're bringing clocks. The kind that explode

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 16, 2015 12:55 PM (493sH)

19
Also, Ted Cruz released his immigration policy yesterday. He has been criticized for proposing expanding the H1B visa pool; now he calls for suspending the program for six months and halting it if unemployment remains high.

At this point, I'm ready to start up internment camps.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 16, 2015 12:55 PM (X6fMO)

20 The first thing Cruz needs to do is start talking about the EMPLOYMENT numbers, not UNEMPLOYMENT numbers.

Because the Government number of 5% unemployment means we are at full employment... supposedly....

Yet we have many LESS people working, at poorer paying jobs, than 20 years ago...

Posted by: BB Wolf at November 16, 2015 12:56 PM (qh617)

21 Howdy all. F them all is still my take on politicians. That O dude in particular.

Posted by: Beth M at November 16, 2015 12:56 PM (kiy9d)

22 Dack, there's a lot good to say about your idea too !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 16, 2015 12:56 PM (erRNA)

23 Also, we should let Syrian refugees into the country, after I vet them, with my fists.

Posted by: Ted Fucking Cruz at November 16, 2015 12:56 PM (TJCSB)

24 Cruz plan works for me.
And down with Dondi!

Posted by: Dark Helmet at November 16, 2015 12:56 PM (yvwr7)

25 This Paris thing will continue to be an issue through the start of the Primary season and will most likely seal the doom of Jeb! and Rubio.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 16, 2015 12:57 PM (iONHu)

26 This is Rubio's big flaw, and its a fatal one. Republicans simply will not support someone who is so totally in for illegal immigration, no matter how you spin the wording. If he weren't this way on immigration, he'd be the front runner by a thousand miles.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 12:57 PM (39g3+)

27
We should just halt all immigration for a 4 year presidency and see how that goes.

Call me a radical.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 16, 2015 12:57 PM (ODxAs)

28 How about until the 13th Imam climbs out of the well?

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 12:57 PM (lQmaY)

29 Obama is a mental case

Posted by: Yo! at November 16, 2015 12:58 PM (GwIKd)

30 Posted by: Ted Fucking Cruz at November 16, 2015 12:56 PM (TJCSB)

Luv your posters. The ones with the tats and cig.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 16, 2015 12:58 PM (LUgeY)

31 They should box it out.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 12:59 PM (lQmaY)

32
That Rubio could ever be taken seriously (forget the amnesty insanity) was just the 10,000th superfluous confirmation that this is an unserious country.

A somewhat glib, otherwise unimpressive figure who stands out only because of the jaw-dropping mediocrity and degradation of the public square. He recites worn "inspirational" crap about his life story and platitudes about America that most 13-yr olds could do when American education and culture were, well, "American".

His gang of eight thing has no parallel I can think of as far as demonstrating just Olympian cluelessness, both political and substantive.

Cruz? Who knows. But Rubio is a ridiculous figure, even against the unrecognizably degraded back-drop of what American public life has become.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 16, 2015 12:59 PM (QDnY+)

33 YES on Amnesty: because, hey at least the Mexicans don't want to blow shit up. Right?

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at November 16, 2015 12:59 PM (0LHZx)

34 IL just joined AL, AR, TX, IN, MI, and LA in refusing to accept refugees

Posted by: ThunderB at November 16, 2015 12:59 PM (zOTsN)

35 13 Correct. Rubio is not a puppet of sinister back room cigar-smoking evil billionaires, he's a genuine supporter of amnesty and open borders because he believes its the right thing to do (like President Bush before him). He's wrong, but he's wrong honestly, as it were.

He's both an Amnesty Zealot and a sell out to the US Chamber of Conmen. The highlight of Dondi's campaign so far? His big Billionaire Get. He won't win the nom, but he did hit the billionaire sweepstakes.

Posted by: Dark Helmet at November 16, 2015 12:59 PM (yvwr7)

36 All of this is moot as Cruz will be serving as Trumps VP and will be the tip of the spear with implementing Jeff Sessions, er, Trumps immigration policies.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 16, 2015 12:59 PM (vrRRc)

37 16 My plan is simple. Allow people into the country, club them over the head, take their jewelry.
Posted by: Ted Fucking Cruz at November 16, 2015 12:54 PM (TJCSB)

Cut. Jib. Muthafuckin' newsletter.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at November 16, 2015 12:59 PM (RD7QR)

38 Belgian police raid suspected terrorist hideout. Suspect is believed to be Belgian. He may have lived in Belgium but if he's really Belgian then I'm Hercule Poirot.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 16, 2015 01:00 PM (493sH)

39
Cruz handed out teddy bears at the border. Tells one everything they might care to know about his real opinion of illegal immigration.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 16, 2015 01:00 PM (kdS6q)

40 Sorry OT but TMZ reports that Charlie Sheen will acknowledge his HIV status in an interview on Today Show, tomorrow.

Posted by: for those interested at November 16, 2015 01:01 PM (m/Gc2)

41
That DM photo of the concert goers - all young and happy, is pretty heart wrenching...

Posted by: Bruce With a Gangster Wang! at November 16, 2015 01:01 PM (iQIUe)

42 My response to Obama's recent remarks : http://tinyurl.com/pjh56b6

Posted by: Ted Fucking Cruz at November 16, 2015 01:01 PM (TJCSB)

43 "Allow people into the country, club them over the head, take their jewelry.


Posted by: Ted Fucking Cruz "



I like, I like.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 16, 2015 01:01 PM (LA7Cm)

44 IL just joined AL, AR, TX, IN, MI, and LA in refusing to accept refugees

Posted by: ThunderB at November 16, 2015 12:59 PM (zOTsN)




Ohh.. that will get Rahm and Toni "Dyke" Preckwinkle's panties in a bunch

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 16, 2015 01:01 PM (493sH)

45 42 My response to Obama's recent remarks : http://tinyurl.com/pjh56b6
Posted by: Ted Fucking Cruz at November 16, 2015 01:01 PM (TJCSB)

OMG, that is hilarious!

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 16, 2015 01:02 PM (2Ojst)

46 RINO Rubio can't walk back his sellout in the gang of 8.

Nor does he try.

He has never repudiated the substance of the Gang of Eight bill... which included unconditional waivers on all of its enforcement provisions, an easy path to citizenship, and unlimited refugee status for anyone in the world who claimed to be "stateless."

When challenged on the Gang of Eight Bill, Rube says two things:

1. It tried to do too much at once. (But all of the individual pieces were OK)

2. We can't do legalization until we regain the trust of the American people (Then, they can screw us over again.)

Also, the Rube has never ruled out any sort of "Provisional Amnesty" while he works out the kinks in his full-on Amnesty scheme.

Posted by: V the K at November 16, 2015 01:02 PM (O7MnT)

47 40 Sorry OT but TMZ reports that Charlie Sheen will acknowledge his HIV status in an interview on Today Show, tomorrow.
Posted by: for those interested at November 16, 2015 01:01 PM (m/Gc2)

Whoa, you mean unrestrained drug use and sex with skanky hos might have a downside? Get outta here.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at November 16, 2015 01:02 PM (RD7QR)

48 IL just joined AL, AR, TX, IN, MI, and LA in refusing to accept refugees
Posted by: ThunderB at November 16, 2015 12:59 PM (zOTsN)


Good, because I heard springdale was on the potential list where people could settle...

Posted by: Lea at November 16, 2015 01:02 PM (lIU4e)

49 40 Sorry OT but TMZ reports that Charlie Sheen will acknowledge his HIV status in an interview on Today Show, tomorrow.
Posted by: for those interested

#Hivving!

Posted by: x at November 16, 2015 01:02 PM (57fhp)

50 I am only interested in Sheen's HIV status if he slept with the JEF

Posted by: ThunderB at November 16, 2015 01:03 PM (zOTsN)

51 I think it was the crack.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:03 PM (lQmaY)

52 CNN Breaking

Pruported ISIS video threatens Washington DC

(Security increased)

Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 16, 2015 01:03 PM (mcm0N)

53
Also, we should let Syrian refugees into the country, after I vet them, with my fists.
Posted by: Ted Fucking Cruz at November 16, 2015 12:56 PM (TJCSB)
.......................

Vetting? I can help with the vetting.

Posted by: Ted Fucking Nugent at November 16, 2015 01:03 PM (wAQA5)

54
Charlie Sheen to sit down for revealing interview with Matt Lauer on Today as it is reported he is HIV positive

============
Or, he self identifies as a woman. Seriously, which one of you morons/moronettes slept with Charlie?

Posted by: Bruce With a Gangster Wang! at November 16, 2015 01:04 PM (iQIUe)

55 I find the argument that Cruz was only interested in calling their bluff
too clever by half, especially when you examine the arguments Cruz was
making at the time:

Cruz went on to say that failing to pass his amendment threatened to kill the immigration bill's chance in the House of Representatives. "I don't want immigration reform to fail, " Cruz said. "I want immigration reform to pass. And so I would urge people of good faith on both sides of the aisle, if the objective is to pass common sense immigration reform that secures the borders, that improves legal immigration, and that allows those who are illegally to come out of the shadows."

Does that sound like a man who is opposed to immigration reform? Watch the video at the link: http://tws.io/1ObVQxv.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 01:04 PM (YjDyJ)

56 Like I said last thread, you have to be some kind of world class historical idiot to not recognize Charlie Sheen as an STD risk.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:04 PM (39g3+)

57 51 I think it was the crack.
Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:03 PM (lQmaY)

Well, I'm thinking there were a lot of cracks involved.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at November 16, 2015 01:04 PM (RD7QR)

58 No ISIS don't do that. That would make us really scared.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:04 PM (lQmaY)

59 50 I am only interested in Sheen's HIV status if he slept with the JEF
Posted by: ThunderB at November 16, 2015 01:03 PM (zOTsN)

Oh. Shit.

Posted by: Kal Penn at November 16, 2015 01:04 PM (2Ojst)

60 The GOPe is bound and determined to finish what Ted Kennedy started.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 16, 2015 01:05 PM (KAi1n)

61 49 40 Sorry OT but TMZ reports that Charlie Sheen will acknowledge his HIV status in an interview on Today Show, tomorrow.
Posted by: for those interested

#Hivving!

Posted by: x at November 16, 2015 01:02 PM (57fhp)


Oh.... my.... and lots of California Lawyers just put down payments on new mansions...

Posted by: BB Wolf at November 16, 2015 01:05 PM (qh617)

62 How about completely shutting down the H1b program forever?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 16, 2015 01:05 PM (LXJ1e)

63 CNN Breaking

Pruported ISIS video threatens Washington DC

(Security increased)

Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 16, 2015 01:03 PM (mcm0N)



Wanna bet Prezzy "Open arms to migrants" will avoid the area for a while

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 16, 2015 01:05 PM (493sH)

64 Does that mean that Charlie Sheen's shower pal Alex Jones is also infected?

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:05 PM (lQmaY)

65 Also, to Rube, Jeb! and the rest of the GOP Establishment, opposition to Amnesty is simply racist and an issue of uneducated hicks who worry about the brown horde invading white America. Cruz gets that it is an economic issue, and a midddle-class is concerned about stagnating wages and lost jobs.

Posted by: V the K at November 16, 2015 01:06 PM (O7MnT)

66 Cruz has the right position for the republican primary, but Rubio has the right idea for something that is actually going to work.

Ideally, after a wall is built and you have control over the border, you want a system that allows you to deport the undesirables quickly and easily while allowing the option of keeping the ones you want to stay.

What nobody who throws the term "amnesty" around explains is that the real victory for the right will be a deal where no one who is here now illegally will ever get citizenship.

For those that stay, they receive permanent residency. No citizenship. Ever.

This is the only way this is going to work and the only way birthright citizenship is going to be ended.


Posted by: jwest at November 16, 2015 01:06 PM (Zs4uk)

67 Does that sound like a man who is opposed to immigration reform?

I'm not opposed to immigration reform, either. Nobody should be, the system sucks. Badly. Its just a matter of how and what you mean by that. "come out of the shadows" is the troubling phrase.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:06 PM (39g3+)

68
Those jokes about crazy sex nights on 2 and a half men don't seem so funny now do they Chuck?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 16, 2015 01:06 PM (ODxAs)

69 Wanna bet Prezzy "Open arms to migrants" will avoid the area for a while

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 16, 2015 01:05 PM (493sH)


He probably should considering the sorry state of the Secret Service.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 16, 2015 01:06 PM (4ErVI)

70 No Syrians ever

Posted by: Yo! at November 16, 2015 01:07 PM (GwIKd)

71 56 Like I said last thread, you have to be some kind of world class historical idiot to not recognize Charlie Sheen as an STD risk.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:04 PM (39g3+)

Hollywood is filled with world class historical idiots.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at November 16, 2015 01:07 PM (u0lmX)

72 "Purported "

Ugh that word--is the suck.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 16, 2015 01:07 PM (mcm0N)

73
Banging porn stars is an HIV risk?


Why didn't somebody tell me?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!1111!!!!

Posted by: Sharlie Cheen at November 16, 2015 01:07 PM (0cMkb)

74 Sorry OT but TMZ reports that Charlie Sheen will acknowledge his HIV status in an interview on Today Show, tomorrow.

Winning!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 16, 2015 01:08 PM (oVJmc)

75
We should shut down the HIV program for 6 months!

Posted by: C. Sheen at November 16, 2015 01:08 PM (ODxAs)

76 Smoking crack affects decision making. See B. Obama.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:08 PM (lQmaY)

77 ISIS plans to attack, VA, MD, MI, CA and IL.

Posted by: Beth M at November 16, 2015 01:08 PM (kiy9d)

78 >>"Purported "

>>Ugh that word--is the suck.

Beverage. Now that is a word with major suckage.

When I become emperor using the word beverage will be a killing offense.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 16, 2015 01:08 PM (/tuJf)

79 Matt Lauer?

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:09 PM (lQmaY)

80 What nobody who throws the term "amnesty" around explains is that the real victory for the right will be a deal where no one who is here now illegally will ever get citizenship.

For those that stay, they receive permanent residency. No citizenship. Ever.

This is the only way this is going to work and the only way birthright citizenship is going to be ended.


Posted by: jwest at November 16, 2015 01:06 PM (Zs4uk) I think the Fed Courts andthe SCOTUS would knock that down in no time

Posted by: ThunderB at November 16, 2015 01:09 PM (zOTsN)

81 4/24/15: Ted Cruz knocks Scott Walker's immigration position- http://washex.am/1NzPp4o

The above link shows that Cruz has also flip-flopped on legal immigration. Consistency demands that, if Rubio is going to be condemned for changing his position, then Cruz deserves the same.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 01:09 PM (YjDyJ)

82 IL just joined AL, AR, TX, IN, MI, and LA in refusing to accept refugees

Posted by: ThunderB at November 16, 2015 12:59 PM (zOTsN)




Twitter saying Mass (!) has jumped on the no refugee bandwagon.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 16, 2015 01:09 PM (8Y7+f)

83 The Moron Horde: irascible, to the point, unfiltered, quick to joke, smarter than they seem, largely successful but undeniably uncouth. Came from good stock that gave them opportunities to succeed, made the most of it, and cherish their example. Make their kids work hard. Have kept their backs straight through the thoughtcrime times.

Trump's out of the question, though.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at November 16, 2015 01:09 PM (xuouz)

84 62 How about completely shutting down the H1b program forever?



Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 16, 2015 01:05 PM (LXJ1e)


LOL.... read the damn Trans Pacific Trade Pact..

It allows for 'free migration of Labor' from all signatory countries... Australia, Brunei Darussalam, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, and Vietnam...

Guess we will still need H1B to let in the Indians and Pakistanis....

/facepalm

Posted by: BB Wolf at November 16, 2015 01:10 PM (qh617)

85 Beverage is a woody sort of word! BEVERAGE.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:10 PM (39g3+)

86 Vagina remains quiet on the subject.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:10 PM (lQmaY)

87
Hey, I just found this perfectly good syringe loaded with something out in the alley!

Anybody wanna shoot up?

Anybody?

Fine. More for me.

Posted by: Sharlie Cheen at November 16, 2015 01:10 PM (0cMkb)

88 >>Twitter saying Mass (!) has jumped on the no refugee bandwagon.

Sometimes electing a Republican governor matters.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 16, 2015 01:10 PM (/tuJf)

89 64 Does that mean that Charlie Sheen's shower pal Alex Jones is also infected?
Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:05 PM (lQmaY)

No, the Grays did that. Charlie just bought the meth.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at November 16, 2015 01:10 PM (RD7QR)

90 ISIS plans to attack, VA, MD, MI, CA and IL.


Posted by: Beth M at November 16, 2015 01:08 PM (kiy9d)




All noted for being strong Conservative, 2A-supporting strongholds, of course...

Posted by: Country Singer at November 16, 2015 01:10 PM (8Y7+f)

91 ISIS plans to attack, VA, MD, MI, CA and IL.


Posted by: Beth M at November 16, 2015 01:08 PM (kiy9d)




They should put the "refugees" in the south side of Chicago. Should be a hell of a firefight

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 16, 2015 01:11 PM (493sH)

92
But just off the cuff it seems Cruz' 6-month H1B suspension is exactly the sort of wrong signal. It basically conveys: oops, I effed up that part of things, here's my non-credible and politically/substantively non-responsive tweak to fix it!

So, provisionally, face-plant by Cruz.

Amnesty is a public policy IQ test. If one doesn't realize what a catastrophically open-ended disaster anything approaching amnesty would be, they simply aren't very smart - ina practical sense, regarding public policy. The question of "values", tolerance, etc. aren't even engaged, the practical aspects take over instantly.

Amnesty means a ramping up of the lawlessness of the last 30 years, and the unrecoverable final elimination of any credibility in dealing with this fundamental issue of sovereignty, rule of law, and common sense. Not recognizing this makes Rubio, and Ryan, who are already wrong even within their own artificial framework, effectively as stupid and reckless as Obama.




Posted by: rhomboid at November 16, 2015 01:11 PM (QDnY+)

93 "When challenged on the Gang of Eight Bill, Rube says two things:



1. It tried to do too much at once. (But all of the individual pieces were OK)



2. We can't do legalization until we regain the trust of the American people (Then, they can screw us over again.)



Also, the Rube has never ruled out any sort of "Provisional Amnesty"
while he works out the kinks in his full-on Amnesty scheme.

Posted by: V the K at November 16, 2015 01:02 PM (O7MnT)"

You want trust? Then build the fence on the southern border.

Until that thing is actually built from sea to shining sea, nothing any politician says on the subject of immigration can be trusted.


Build the fence. It is the beginning of trust.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at November 16, 2015 01:11 PM (QHgTq)

94 58 No ISIS don't do that. That would make us really scared.
Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:04 PM (lQmaY)




"Yeah, you ISIS fags are just big talk. You won't do anything to DC, and you know why? Because you're pussies! That's right! You heard me! I said, you're PUSSIES! You don't have the BALLS to do that, and you know why? That's right - because you're PUSSIES!"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 16, 2015 01:11 PM (oKE6c)

95 "Twitter saying Mass (!) has jumped on the no refugee bandwagon. "


When you've lost IL and MA....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 16, 2015 01:11 PM (LA7Cm)

96 Score one for the kid who left Two And A Half Men because it was a cesspool.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 16, 2015 01:11 PM (oVJmc)

97 ISIS plans to attack, VA, MD, MI, CA and IL.





Posted by: Beth M at November 16, 2015 01:08 PM (kiy9d)



Are they taking requests?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 16, 2015 01:12 PM (oKE6c)

98 Beverage.

Jack I second you on that.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 16, 2015 01:12 PM (mcm0N)

99 send 'em all back with Tom Petty singing on the loudspeaker you don't have to live like a refugee and don't come around here no more.

Posted by: x at November 16, 2015 01:12 PM (57fhp)

100 Rubio can go suck Cruz's dick. He is as, if not worse, than Jeb! on amnesty. Dondi was weeping along with Boner when the pope was speaking to Congress and mentioned immigrants. True believer for sure

Posted by: L, Elle at November 16, 2015 01:12 PM (2x3L+)

101 Isnt all of this repositioning a little too late?


There already is a candidate with an immigration position that is well in line with the vast majority of republican primary voters.

And that candidate is currently garnering over 40pct of the vote.

Why would or should anyone trust these candidates and there sudden come to Jesus repositioning?

Trump is looking like a genius every god damned day.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 16, 2015 01:12 PM (7GJvw)

102 Any word yet on Carson's presser?

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 16, 2015 01:12 PM (t2KH5)

103 FWIW: Aaron Rodgers is a fuckin idiot. Fuck him for eternity.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 16, 2015 01:13 PM (ucDmr)

104 MA may be liberal, but it's blue-collar liberal, not ivory tower-liberal (excepting certain pockets).

Posted by: SFGoth at November 16, 2015 01:13 PM (KAi1n)

105
Obama looks like he has AIDS in that abc interview.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 16, 2015 01:13 PM (ODxAs)

106 99 send 'em all back with Tom Petty singing on the loudspeaker you don't have to live like a refugee and don't come around here no more.
Posted by: x at November 16, 2015 01:12 PM (57fhp)

Insanely harsh idea. I like it.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at November 16, 2015 01:13 PM (RD7QR)

107 H1Bs are at least part of the legal process.

Amnesty is just official sanction on lawlessness.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 16, 2015 01:13 PM (oVJmc)

108 Marco's garbage is safe.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 16, 2015 01:13 PM (rwI+c)

109 Clubbing them over the head and taking their jewelry is a good start, but remember, there's organs to be harvested.

Posted by: Donald Fucking Trump at November 16, 2015 01:13 PM (TJCSB)

110 Time to go back to the highlands. They aren't likely to hit there.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:14 PM (lQmaY)

111 Posted by: jwest at November 16, 2015 01:06 PM (Zs4uk)

Nope... here illegally.... go home, go to the back of the line, and come in legally.

Enforce existing laws about hiring illegals. Enforce existing laws about identity theft and fraud. Stop ALL State Benefits to those here illegally.

THAT is the only way we will ever gain control of immigration.

Bleeding hearts are ruining the future of this Nation... and MY Son will be the one to pay for it.

Posted by: BB Wolf at November 16, 2015 01:14 PM (qh617)

112 Remember that big bombing in Turkey that killed lots of people? Was that ISIS? I can't remember.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 16, 2015 01:14 PM (4ErVI)

113 "Allow people into the country, club them over the head, take their jewelry.
Posted by: Ted Fucking Cruz "

I tole joo, I meant to declare the jewelry, realamente.

Posted by: Mrs. Yeb Boosh at November 16, 2015 01:14 PM (dQJCS)

114
My beverage of choice is-

a fresh glass of porn star urine, mixed with meth,

plus a side shot of spoink.


Deeeeelightful!

Posted by: Sharlie Cheen at November 16, 2015 01:14 PM (0cMkb)

115 Time to go back to the highlands.

You're going to Scotland? ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 16, 2015 01:15 PM (No/ki)

116 "halting [H-1B visas] if unemployment remains high"

Small print leads to big trouble. Where are the definitions on this?

"Unemployment high" by which official metric?

U-3? U-6? Labor force participation rate?

Then, "unemployment high" will be defined by what hard numbers on that metric? Where are the numerical levels at which H-1B gets frozen?

If citizens keep dropping out of participation in the labor force because they can't find work, then the "headline" U-3 unemployment number, which doesn't include them, is going to eventually fall to what looks like classical full employment, even though it's not by any imaginable means full employment.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 16, 2015 01:15 PM (noWW6)

117 So lots and lots of cocaine does not cure HIV? uh oh.

Posted by: Brian Austin Green at November 16, 2015 01:15 PM (wAQA5)

118 Seal the borders of Texas. All of them. Secede.

Posted by: Dave, past the use-by date at November 16, 2015 01:15 PM (hor70)

119 I was going to do a presser but then I got high.

Posted by: Ben Carson at November 16, 2015 01:15 PM (lQmaY)

120 "84
62 How about completely shutting down the H1b program forever?







Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 16, 2015 01:05 PM (LXJ1e)





LOL.... read the damn Trans Pacific Trade Pact..



It allows for 'free migration of Labor' from all signatory
countries... Australia, Brunei Darussalam, Canada, Chile, Japan,
Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, and Vietnam...



Guess we will still need H1B to let in the Indians and Pakistanis....



/facepalm

Posted by: BB Wolf at November 16, 2015 01:10 PM (qh617)"

I am not sure the Indians will want to take the pay cut when they will probably be able to earn higher salaries in Bangalore.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at November 16, 2015 01:15 PM (QHgTq)

121
Sort of nice, they are tweeting a photo and bio of each victim:

https://twitter.com/ParisVictims

Posted by: Bruce With a Gangster Wang! at November 16, 2015 01:16 PM (iQIUe)

122 One
interesting thing - I'm pretty sure these five states already have
higher numbers of people from the middle east living here.
We
have a lot of middle easterners in our little city just south of DC.
I'm sure there are in MD as well. There's an Islamic Center (not sure
if billed as an actual mosque) about three miles from us.

Posted by: Beth M at November 16, 2015 01:16 PM (kiy9d)

123 115 Worse. Appalachia.

Posted by: Ben Carson at November 16, 2015 01:16 PM (lQmaY)

124 they will probably be able to earn higher salaries in Bangalore.

Well, relative to the cost of living, maybe

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:17 PM (39g3+)

125 FWIW: Huckabee said, Ryan needs to oppose Barry's Syrian refugee program or step down. Can we choose both?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 16, 2015 01:17 PM (493sH)

126 Walt Disney had a hard time finding skilled artists that could do animation so he started a college for them that became CalArts. He didn't need foreign talent (other than Ub Iwerks)
If Google and facebook need programmers and IT people, they need to either start a college or dump some of their billions into existing IT and coding training programs before they get more H1bs.

Posted by: Max Entropy at November 16, 2015 01:17 PM (cgtTL)

127 He's not just bought and paid for by amnesty-seeking billionaires -- if he were, we could change his opinion by simply changing his patron.-ace

With all due respect I call partial bullshit. They are lining up now as the USS Jebster continues to sink. Who else are the amnesty sucking donors going to give their money too?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 16, 2015 01:17 PM (J3phO)

128
Hmmm -- looks like California has an HIV disclosure law. If you "know" -- in the sense of being tested -- that you've got the AIDS, having unprotected sex gets you 3 to 5.

So, Charlie at least trying to stay out of jail.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 16, 2015 01:17 PM (kdS6q)

129 From Bangcock to Bangalore.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:18 PM (lQmaY)

130 Preznit Prissy Pants is going to be in a real bad mood when he finds out that MI and IL are rejecting his plans for repopulation

Posted by: ThunderB at November 16, 2015 01:18 PM (zOTsN)

131
jwest, oh my. ThunderB is absolutely correct. The sort of zombie status-without-citizenship half-pregnant "status" you say is a solution and a victory for us knuckledraggers would have a half-life of some man-made laboratory isotope.

And, for once, SCOTUS would be correctly applying equal protection doctrine. 9-0 votes.

OK, so now it's time to resort to the illiterate and hallucinogenic crap about "deportations!!! eleventy!!!", barriers that can (magically, uniquely) not work on the US southern border, and how we must choose between internal enforcement (with paid-for personnel and structures) and border security.

Unserious country.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 16, 2015 01:18 PM (QDnY+)

132 112 Remember that big bombing in Turkey that killed lots of people? Was that ISIS? I can't remember.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 16, 2015 01:14 PM (4ErVI)

==========
Not sure but I dont think so. It was a anti gov demo.

Posted by: Bruce With a Gangster Wang! at November 16, 2015 01:18 PM (iQIUe)

133 Very insightful article. As a Cruz fan, I'm biased, so I'm looking for any excuse to explain away the attacks on his immigration moves. Having said that, I think this is as good a defense as can be. At least with respect to Cruz' general position on immigration.

As to his stance on H1B visas, I can see him shifting in his paper that just came out. My own thinking on this has shifted, so I'm forgiving. From an economic perspective, I want skilled immigration. But I think the definition of skilled needs to change. I mean, 50 years ago the US would probably take anyone and everyone with a Computer Science degree from wherever in the world. But today that doesn't make as much sense. But then again, what about entrepreneurs and enterprising individuals.

Actually I think this all comes back to welfare. We need to get rid of it. People who come here should expect nothing but the opportunity to make something of themselves, with the gov't out of the way. This would solve all of our problems. Crap.

Posted by: IdahoMatt at November 16, 2015 01:18 PM (SgYQy)

134 122 One
interesting thing - I'm pretty sure these five states already have
higher numbers of people from the middle east living here.
We
have a lot of middle easterners in our little city just south of DC.
I'm sure there are in MD as well. There's an Islamic Center (not sure
if billed as an actual mosque) about three miles from us.
Posted by: Beth M at November 16, 2015 01:16 PM (kiy9d)

All an ISIS cell would have to do to hide themselves would be to hang out in Arlington, VA.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at November 16, 2015 01:18 PM (RD7QR)

135 >>Why would or should anyone trust these candidates and there sudden come to Jesus repositioning?

If you are going to disqualify candidates for changing their position then Trump is completely disqualified.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 16, 2015 01:18 PM (/tuJf)

136 Two words: Immigration Hiatus. We've got plenty to digest for the next 25 years. *If* there is someone so valuable and so unique that must let them in, let it be by a special Act of Congress.


Country's full. Moos out front should have told ya.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 16, 2015 01:18 PM (rwI+c)

137 Harvard bomb threat. Alphabet agencies responding en masse. My bet is it'll turn out to be caused by some #BLM/Campus Outrage Machine special snowflake upset that Paris stole their thunder.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 16, 2015 01:18 PM (8Y7+f)

138 112 Remember that big bombing in Turkey that killed lots of people? Was that ISIS? I can't remember.

*********
Purportedly. Turkey also says that they stopped an attack by ISIS in Instanbul--that was suppose to coincide with the Paris attacks.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 16, 2015 01:18 PM (mcm0N)

139 My position has been clear : club them over the head, take their jewelry, harvest their organs, deface their Facebook page.

Posted by: Marco Fucking Rubio at November 16, 2015 01:18 PM (TJCSB)

140 Here's the question I want asked at the next Republican debate:
If there's a terrorist attack in the US committed by an illegal
or recently imported Muslim alien, should Obama be impeached?

Ask Trump that one first...

Posted by: Mister Ghost at November 16, 2015 01:19 PM (pgKgQ)

141 Hearing more crap about how their is rampant islamophobia in this country. I sure hope so....

Posted by: Bruce With a Gangster Wang! at November 16, 2015 01:19 PM (iQIUe)

142 "Enforce existing laws about hiring illegals. Enforce existing laws about identity theft and fraud. Stop ALL State Benefits to those here illegally."

I agree with all this, but it would be a lot easier if you have a system where an alien can get permanent resident status without any hope of citizenship.

That way you would know who is who.

Posted by: jwest at November 16, 2015 01:19 PM (Zs4uk)

143 117 So lots and lots of cocaine does not cure HIV? uh oh.
Posted by: Brian Austin Green at November 16, 2015 01:15 PM (wAQA5

Snorting, winning, at this point what difference does it make!!!!

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 16, 2015 01:19 PM (J3phO)

144 But Rubio is a ridiculous figure, even against the unrecognizably degraded back-drop of what American public life has become.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 16, 2015 12:59 PM (QDnY+)

Ridiculous figure? Not by a long shot. I remember Rubio from his underdog, come-from-behind Senate campaign. Rubio's serious business. He's also making a huge tactical mistake going after Cruz on immigration. For one thing, it won't stick, not on Cruz. For another, the clumsy, hamhanded way he's going about it makes him look like an amatuer. If you're going to stick in the blade, you need to look like a matador, not like a back-alley thug.

Posted by: troyriser at November 16, 2015 01:19 PM (+UeSQ)

145 I'll settle for letting immigration continue once we return to the HIGH point of the Reagan/Bush/Clinton years. The total NUMBER of Americans employed, not some silly percentage rate.

It took us years to drop from that precipice, it'll take us years to return.

Six months is a joke.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 16, 2015 01:19 PM (7v/r5)

146 i've seen people who are respected claiming what rubio claims as well......i no longer respect them....rubio won't get my vote....in the primary or the general....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at November 16, 2015 01:19 PM (0O7c5)

147 I did not have sex with that man, Mr. Sheen. Of course I did have sex with the same hookers and shared a few needles with him.

Posted by: Brian Austin Green at November 16, 2015 01:20 PM (wAQA5)

148 Looks like I can keep my support for Cruz at 'Tentative'.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 16, 2015 01:20 PM (Wckf4)

149 Winning.

Posted by: Charlie Sheen at November 16, 2015 01:20 PM (lQmaY)

150 Cruz has flip flopped on immigration. The main reason for this is that it his previous position blocks his path to the nomination.

He originally planned to present himself as the top choice of evangelicals and perform well enoughin Iowa so that he could become the most appealing candidate left as people get Trumped out and the primaries wear on. The problem for Cruz is that much of the mainstream GOP support has flowed to Rubio while evangelical support in Iowa has stuck with Carson.

The flip on immigration is designed to draw support off of Trump with the hope that he can skate on his new found belief that legal immigration is bad, while simultaneously hammering on Rubio for his own evolving position.

The problem for Cruz is that he is still running third among voters in his "lane" to the GOP nomination. Rubio is pretty much unchallenged in his lane. Money spent to try and weaken Rubio doesn't help Cruz against Trump or Carson. He's sort of trapped.

Posted by: CausticConservative at November 16, 2015 01:20 PM (5q6rm)

151 If Google and facebook need programmers and IT people, they need to either start a college

The problem is, when Disney did that, there was still a pretty strong work ethic and basic moral fiber running through American youth and workers.

Today? You can train them all you want but too many people don't want to work hard, want everything without trouble, time, or labor, and throw a tantrum if it doesn't happen.

But Mahesh from India will work until his heart blows out for the honor of having a steady paycheck.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:21 PM (39g3+)

152 Actually I think this all comes back to welfare. We need to get rid of it. People who come here should expect nothing but the opportunity to make something of themselves, with the gov't out of the way.

--

This is where I stand. I wouldn't care about (legal) immigration if we didn't have a welfare state. The fact that over 70% of tax dollars are used to pay people to sit at home infuriates me.

Posted by: Cornelius Stool at November 16, 2015 01:21 PM (HrBwt)

153 Sheen will take the opportunity to announce his candidacy for the Libertarian nomination.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 16, 2015 01:22 PM (oVJmc)

154 They can both go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at November 16, 2015 01:22 PM (JOG+K)

155 67 I'm not opposed to immigration reform, either. Nobody
should be, the system sucks. Badly. Its just a matter of how and what
you mean by that. "come out of the shadows" is the troubling phrase.


More from Cruz during that same hearing:

If this amendment is adopted to the current bill, the effect would be that those 11 million, under this current bill, would still be eligible for RPI status. They would still be eligible for legal status, and indeed, under the terms of the bill, they would be eligible for LPR [green card] status as well, so they are out of the shadows, which the proponents of this bill repeatedly point to as their principle objective: to provide legal status for those who are here illegally to be out of the shadows. This amendment would allow that to happen.

Why is he is offering reassurances if he opposes legalization, especially when coupled with his statement that he "want immigration reform"- including a provision to "[allow] those who are illegally to come in out of the shadows"- to pass?

*The quote at #55 should read "come in out of the shadows".

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 01:22 PM (YjDyJ)

156 96 Score one for the kid who left Two And A Half Men because it was a cesspool.


Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel


Charlie Sheen? He's constantly scoring. Hard to keep up.

Posted by: dirks strewn at November 16, 2015 01:22 PM (kfcYC)

157 TMZ reports that Charlie Sheen will acknowledge his HIV status in an interview on Today Show, tomorrow.

Sharing needles with tranny prostitutes. Not s.m.r.t.

Posted by: wooga at November 16, 2015 01:22 PM (XvW+P)

158 It was a peace rally primarily held by the political party HTP--which is the Kurdish party that went above the 10% threshold necessary in order to earn seats in Erdogan 's parliament.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 16, 2015 01:22 PM (mcm0N)

159 Cavuto reports 9 states refusing to take Syrian "refugees". AL AR TX LA IN MS MA IL MI. Huckabee challenges Ryan to oppose refugee program or to step down. Carson calls for defunding refugee programs. Starting to see the tide turning against BHOs insane Syrian "refugee" program against America.

Posted by: Alf767 at November 16, 2015 01:22 PM (iI8KF)

160 My position has been clear : club them over the head, take their jewelry, harvest their organs, deface their Facebook page.


The children. How much for the children? Sell me your daughters.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 16, 2015 01:22 PM (rwI+c)

161 it would be a lot easier if you have a system where an alien can get permanent resident status without any hope of citizenship.

I could live with that as a compromise, but you know the howls of "second class citizens" would arise regardless of how stupid it is.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:23 PM (39g3+)

162 Cruz or Trump. That is literally the best we can do on this issue

Posted by: ThunderB at November 16, 2015 01:23 PM (zOTsN)

163 IL just joined AL, AR, TX, IN, MI, and LA in refusing to accept refugees

Posted by: ThunderB at November 16, 2015 12:59 PM (zOTsN)



Twitter saying Mass (!) has jumped on the no refugee bandwagon.


Posted by: Country Singer at November 16, 2015 01:09 PM (8Y7+f)




Imam Barry: High horses, Crusades, Jim Crow!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 16, 2015 01:23 PM (493sH)

164
>> Twitter saying Mass (!) has jumped on the no refugee bandwagon.




Sometimes electing a Republican governor matters.


Baker's a weathervane. Watch him change as soon as his good pal Maahhhty Walsh or the Boston Globe call him a racist.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 16, 2015 01:23 PM (X6fMO)

165 This may be stupid, but at a minimum can't we start sending back everyone (no exceptions) with an expired visa that we can locate. Have them reapply or whatever they need to do.

There are things that can be done, while we are talking, talking, talking .....

Posted by: gracepmc at November 16, 2015 01:24 PM (OU4q6)

166 #155 should not contain strikethrough.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 01:24 PM (YjDyJ)

167 So now that we have Governors refusing to take in these middle eastern invaders, what happens when things go 'assplody in Sanctuary Cities?


Like D.C.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 16, 2015 01:24 PM (ptqRm)

168 Why have the interview in the AM as opposed to the PM?

Posted by: Bruce With a Gangster Wang! at November 16, 2015 01:24 PM (iQIUe)

169 "147 I did not have sex with that man, Mr. Sheen. Of course I did have sex with the same hookers and shared a few needles with him.
Posted by: Brian Austin Green at November 16, 2015 01:20 PM"


Dude, you were married to Megan Fox. Have some standards.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 16, 2015 01:24 PM (OD2ni)

170 Strip two Welfare Sows of their citizenship for each refugee we take in.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:24 PM (lQmaY)

171 Sorry, I just don't think anyone but Cruz will do for me. The rest of you will have to take up the slack.

Posted by: setnaffa at November 16, 2015 01:24 PM (BtRXi)

172
BTW - short list of some of the gals who are going to the clinic:

www.famousfix.com/topic/charlie-sheen/dating

These are just the ones with SAG cards. Leaves out some names, the casual hookers and pick-ups.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 16, 2015 01:24 PM (kdS6q)

173 Posted by: Miss80sBaby


So you're changing your position?

Posted by: Ted Fucking Cruz at November 16, 2015 01:25 PM (TJCSB)

174
Last week or so I read a story about the German hospital workers being overwhelmed by refugees with diseases like hiv, tb and many others that were at very low levels prior to the "refugees" coming. So good job, Merkel.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 16, 2015 01:25 PM (ODxAs)

175 And BLM and the Mizzou crybullies won't be noticing that some of the victims were black.

BLM except when they don't.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 16, 2015 01:25 PM (No/ki)

176 >>Baker's a weathervane. Watch him change as soon as his good pal Maahhhty Walsh or the Boston Globe call him a racist.

If it had been Good Time Deval, you'd be up to your arse in Syrians by now. Small steps.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 16, 2015 01:25 PM (/tuJf)

177 159 ...Huckabee challenges Ryan to oppose refugee program or to step down.

Contrary to Breitbart's "report", Ryan told both Bill Bennett and Charlie Sykes that he has already asked the committees of jurisdiction to review all aspects of the issue and develop a strategy as soon as possible. He also said it was possible that the aforementioned would be addressed via the appropriations process.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 01:26 PM (YjDyJ)

178 "People who come here should expect nothing but the opportunity to make
something of themselves, with the gov't out of the way. This would
solve all of our problems."

What if the people who come here are ones who just can't cope, compete or contribute in a 21st century globalized economy?

Note that we have many millions of born U.S. citizens who are that way already.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 16, 2015 01:26 PM (noWW6)

179 The Casting Couch kills.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:26 PM (lQmaY)

180 I'm sorry if someone posted this, but Steve King endorsed Ted Cruz today.
He didn't endorse any in 2012.

Posted by: Carol at November 16, 2015 01:26 PM (sj3Ax)

181 HDP.

Sheesh dyslexia is flaring.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 16, 2015 01:26 PM (mcm0N)

182
Dude, you were married to Megan Fox. Have some standards.
Posted by: Benji Carver




How do you not just stop once you get Denise Richards?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 16, 2015 01:26 PM (kdS6q)

183 Send Charlie Sheen's dick over to fight ISIS.

We'll clear that place out in a week.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 16, 2015 01:26 PM (oVJmc)

184 So when does DrewM jump in and say that there's no difference between the Republicans and the Democrats?

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 16, 2015 01:26 PM (5f5bM)

185 173 So you're changing your position?

Am I changing my position on what?

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 01:27 PM (YjDyJ)

186 Suspending the H1B program for 6 months is a dodge. It is a tactic to wait for the issue to cool off and then to return to business as usual.

However, compared to amnesty and general squishiness on illegal immigration, support for H1B is a misdemeanor. The capital crime is allowing our country to be overrun with illegal aliens. While I wish Cruz had a different position on H1B, I can tolerate his politics on the issue as long as he is true blue on getting rid of the illegals.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 16, 2015 01:27 PM (IN7k+)

187
BLM except when they don't.


They have to be politically conveeeeenient.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 16, 2015 01:27 PM (oVJmc)

188 And BLM and the Mizzou crybullies won't be noticing that some of the victims were black.

BLM except when they don't.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 16, 2015 01:25 PM (No/ki)



Barry: Are you saying I politicize killings to fit my agenda but ignore the daily shootings in Chicago?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 16, 2015 01:27 PM (493sH)

189
IL just joined AL, AR, TX, IN, MI, and LA in refusing to accept refugees

Posted by: ThunderB at November 16, 2015 12:59 PM (zOTsN)



Twitter saying Mass (!) has jumped on the no refugee bandwagon.
Posted by: Country Singer at November 16, 2015 01:09 PM (8Y7+f)
..................

I'm confident my wonderful state of CA will be next. Really I am.
Really.

Posted by: wth at November 16, 2015 01:28 PM (wAQA5)

190 Was MA still taking refugees after the marathon bombing?

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 16, 2015 01:28 PM (TJCSB)

191 That's exactly what Obama will do-take away Federal funding if they refuse to take in the thousands of refugees and the twisted Islamic terrorists that came along for the ride.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 16, 2015 01:28 PM (No/ki)

192


Islamassholes on twitter demanding all states take refugees. There is no RIGHT to immigrate to the US

Posted by: ThunderB at November 16, 2015 01:28 PM (zOTsN)

193 "I could live with that as a compromise, but you know the howls of "second class citizens" would arise regardless of how stupid it is."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:23 PM (39g3+)


That's why it's so great, because it's their choice.

If they want citizenship, when the bill passes they know they have to leave and go home. Start the process from their country just like the law says.

If they choose to take the permanent resident status, they are saying upfront that they don't want citizenship.

It was totally up to them.

People understand choices. They will think this is fair.

Posted by: jwest at November 16, 2015 01:28 PM (Zs4uk)

194 Charlie never went to West Hollywood for the sex, - just the crack cocaine.

Posted by: Fritz at November 16, 2015 01:28 PM (UzPAd)

195 My asshole Governor is all crickets?

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:29 PM (lQmaY)

196 >>>> TMZ reports that Charlie Sheen will acknowledge his HIV status in an interview on Today Show, tomorrow.
-------
Okay, thanks for posting that. I was wondering why everyone was talking about Sheen.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 16, 2015 01:29 PM (2x3L+)

197 "[Ryan] also said it was possible that the aforementioned would be addressed via the appropriations process."

After five years of adamantly refusing to address ANY of Obama's enormous extraconstitutional abuses "via the appropriations process", NOW the Republicans in the House are supposedly going to start to do so?

Pull the other one!

Posted by: torquewrench at November 16, 2015 01:29 PM (noWW6)

198 >> So, Charlie at least trying to stay out of jail.

I would figure that once they know what he's in for he'd be the safest guy in the cellblock.

Posted by: JEM at November 16, 2015 01:29 PM (o+SC1)

199 32
"That Rubio could ever be taken seriously (forget the amnesty insanity) was just the 10,000th superfluous confirmation that this is an unserious country.

A somewhat glib, otherwise unimpressive figure who stands out only because of the jaw-dropping mediocrity and degradation of the public square...."

Every time I see him he uses the same answers. I know word for word what he's going to say about everything.

"No one with four business bankruptcies can lecture me--someone who grew up living paycheck to paycheck--on finances. Yesterday is in the past. Tomorrow and all the days forward including election day are about the future. Man, all this yakkity yak is making me thirsty."

Posted by: dirks strewn at November 16, 2015 01:29 PM (kfcYC)

200 IL just joined AL, AR, TX, IN, MI, and LA in refusing to accept refugees

Posted by: ThunderB

When does the Executive Order come out from Il Duce that they must take refugees or else they will suffer consequences?

Yes, he is that petty and pathetic.

Posted by: Cheri at November 16, 2015 01:29 PM (oiNtH)

201 So when does DrewM jump in and say that there's no difference between the Republicans and the Democrats?


The Red Rat Commie Bastards of the Democratic party are our opponents, the Republican Leadership is our enemy, so there's that.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 16, 2015 01:29 PM (rwI+c)

202 Baker is like a democrat.

Posted by: Carol at November 16, 2015 01:29 PM (sj3Ax)

203 Contrary to Breitbart's "report", Ryan told both Bill Bennett and Charlie Sykes that he has already asked the committees of jurisdiction to review all aspects of the issue and develop a strategy as soon as possible. He also said it was possible that the aforementioned would be addressed via the appropriations process.


Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 01:26 PM (YjDyJ)




Instead of committees and appropriations, Pauly should have said, It's dead. It's f-ing dead. We'll work out the details later.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 16, 2015 01:30 PM (493sH)

204 #BitchLivesMatter.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:30 PM (lQmaY)

205
How do you not just stop once you get Denise Richards?


She keeps talking.

Seriously though, how much does a human being need? If there ever was an argument for the empty hollow in mankind's soul without God, its Hollywood. These people have literally every possible thing a human being thinks they want and still they want more because they feel so lonely and empty. And its never enough.

I remember an interview with some rocker where he pointed out that after a while beautiful teeny bopper nookie loses its charm and you need ever crazier and more perverted stuff to get that thrill. And eventually you end up doing things you would have shot someone for suggesting back when you started out.

Its that old Hedonist paradox: the very thing that gives you a thrill takes it away, its never as great again, so you seek ever greater experiences and highs. Charlie Sheen is Exhibit A of the depravity of fallen man and the desperate need for a savior. He's no worse than anyone else, he just had all the chances we never get.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:30 PM (39g3+)

206 The bottom line is that everyone running for the GOP nomination- including Trump - has been open to legalization in some form or another at some time during their political career.

"Trump's immigration plan: Deport the undocumented, 'legal status' for some"- http://cnn.it/1SOHy5S

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 01:30 PM (YjDyJ)

207 195
My asshole Governor is all crickets?


Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:29 PM (lQmaY)
mine too.....just sent him an email....he doesn't have a phone number on his website.....i'll have to do some digging

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at November 16, 2015 01:30 PM (0O7c5)

208 I want Jindal. I'll take Cruz. If Rubio is the nominee, I've got some important TV watching or hair shampooing to do on voting day.

Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression at November 16, 2015 01:31 PM (VRc/p)

209 Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 01:22 PM (YjDyJ)
______

Conservatives can forgive a man for becoming more conservative. What we cannot forgive is becoming more conservative on TV during election season and then govern as a liberal once savely in DC. Marco Rubio did the later. How Ted Cruz will behave after reversing his immigration positions is still an open question. Thats the difference here.

Posted by: Begonia at November 16, 2015 01:31 PM (u9C3K)

210 "151
If Google and facebook need programmers and IT people, they need to either start a college



The problem is, when Disney did that, there was still a pretty
strong work ethic and basic moral fiber running through American youth
and workers.



Today? You can train them all you want but too many people don't
want to work hard, want everything without trouble, time, or labor, and
throw a tantrum if it doesn't happen.



But Mahesh from India will work until his heart blows out for the honor of having a steady paycheck.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:21 PM (39g3+)"


Or they can open offices in the Midwest where there is still a surviving work ethic instead of only operating on the coasts where a work ethic is viewed as an oppressive remnant of the bad old days.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at November 16, 2015 01:31 PM (QHgTq)

211 When does the Executive Order come out from Il Duce that they must take refugees or else they will suffer consequences?

They'll get a call telling them that all matching highway, education, development and ongoing "Stimulus Package" funds will be cut off until they take in those refugees and every last governor will cave.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:31 PM (39g3+)

212 ...he has already asked the committees of jurisdiction to review all aspects of the issue and develop a strategy as soon as possible. He also said it was possible that the aforementioned would be addressed via the appropriations process.

Well isn't that just Special? Meanwhile, thousands of unvettable "Syrians", and Somalis and Yemenis and Palestinians and Iraqis are dispersing here every day.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at November 16, 2015 01:31 PM (dQJCS)

213 Posted by: Miss80sBaby

You're making statements, striking those statements, refuting those strike-throughs, I just don't feel I can trust you on these important issues.



Posted by: Ted Fucking Cruz at November 16, 2015 01:32 PM (TJCSB)

214 NumbersUSA now gives Cruz an overall A- on immigration, the same as Trump. Carson is a C.

Posted by: Jon at November 16, 2015 01:32 PM (HA+/6)

215 It is darkly funny that the story is a *mystery figure* in Hollywood has AIDS and everyone just shrugs and says "eh, Charlie Sheen.'

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 16, 2015 01:32 PM (oVJmc)

216 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:30 PM (39g3+)

Well said, Christopher.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 16, 2015 01:32 PM (No/ki)

217 >> However, compared to amnesty and general squishiness
>> on illegal immigration, support for H1B is a misdemeanor.

Given how thoroughly the H1b process is gamed, who it hurts, and who (big Democrat moneybags) is gaming it, I'm quite happy to see some focus on it.

There are certain industries - tech, media, big banking - where I'd be quite looking forward to playing Sheriff of Nottingham and turning the fuckers over and shaking until the coins fall out of the pockets.

Posted by: JEM at November 16, 2015 01:32 PM (o+SC1)

218 When does the Executive Order come out from Il Duce that they must take refugees or else they will suffer consequences?

No highway money unless refugee compassion.

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 16, 2015 01:32 PM (FkBIv)

219 I doubt Ohio will be jumping on the bandwagon, I am sure Jesus told John Katshit he had to take in all teh Refugees!

Posted by: V the K at November 16, 2015 01:32 PM (O7MnT)

220 "180 I'm sorry if someone posted this, but Steve King endorsed Ted Cruz today.
He didn't endorse any in 2012."


Maybe Rubio told him he liked Kubrick's version of The Shining better.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 16, 2015 01:33 PM (OD2ni)

221 203 Instead of committees and appropriations, Pauly should have said, It's dead. It's f-ing dead. We'll work out the details later.

It is the responsibility of the committees of jurisdiction to help determine how the Conference will address it. E.g., if they want to add a provision regarding Syrian refugees to an appropriations bill, that would be handled by the House Appropriations Committee.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 01:33 PM (YjDyJ)

222

the JEF will use the exact same tactics to force acceptance of refugees that he did for the wave of illegals last summer

Posted by: ThunderB at November 16, 2015 01:33 PM (zOTsN)

223 Charlie Estevez?

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:33 PM (lQmaY)

224 >> It is darkly funny that the story is a *mystery figure* in
>> Hollywood has AIDS and everyone just shrugs and says
>> "eh, Charlie Sheen.'

His erection precedes him.

Posted by: JEM at November 16, 2015 01:33 PM (o+SC1)

225 ha! the gov is in a meeting trying to formulate an announcement right now.....the young lady who answered the phone said she is keeping him aware of the public opinion as the calls are coming in......az morons get on the horn!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at November 16, 2015 01:34 PM (0O7c5)

226 The bottom line is that everyone running for the GOP nomination- including Trump - has been open to legalization in some form or another at some time during their political career.

Some still are.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 16, 2015 01:34 PM (rwI+c)

227 "208
I want Jindal. I'll take Cruz. If Rubio is the nominee, I've got some
important TV watching or hair shampooing to do on voting day.

Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression at November 16, 2015 01:31 PM (VRc/p)"

That coincides with my view on the matter. Actually if it is Bernie Sanders against some GOPe squish, I might just make it down to the polls to vote for Let It Burn candidate.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at November 16, 2015 01:34 PM (QHgTq)

228 The bottom line is that everyone running for the GOP nomination- including Trump - has been open to legalization in some form or another at some time during their political career.

Exactly. This is something people just don't seem to get. NONE OF THEM ARE GOOD on immigration, no matter what Trump is saying now. He's just at the "I haven't had the chance to stab you in the back yet" point.

Or they can open offices in the Midwest where there is still a surviving work ethic instead of only operating on the coasts where a work ethic is viewed as an oppressive remnant of the bad old days.

Its not terrific there any more, either. And my point here isn't "lets hire lots of people from India" its rather "our culture is rotten to the core and must change or no laws of any kind will help."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:34 PM (39g3+)

229 When does the Executive Order come out from Il Duce that they must take refugees or else they will suffer consequences?

Yes, he is that petty and pathetic.

Posted by: Cheri at November 16, 2015 01:29 PM (oiNtH)




At the summit today, Emperor Barry said something like, people are always popping off about not doing enough. If you have advisors with better plans tell me about it. But MY Joint Chiefs of Staff have a plan. Repeat he said, My Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 16, 2015 01:35 PM (493sH)

230 Mr. Balls drank my tea!

Posted by: guy who messes up memes at November 16, 2015 01:36 PM (yG8t/)

231 It is the responsibility of the committees of jurisdiction to help determine how the Conference will address it. E.g., if they want to add a provision regarding Syrian refugees to an appropriations bill, that would be handled by the House Appropriations Committee.

So, nothing will happen. Ryan has not staked his position on stopping the abuse. It's just something to work out until it's water under the bridge.

Our.Enemy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 16, 2015 01:36 PM (rwI+c)

232 A really interesting take by McCarthy. Do read it.

NRO, my blockies block all content there, so I don't go there anymore...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 16, 2015 01:36 PM (qCMvj)

233 At the summit today, Emperor Barry said something
like, people are always popping off about not doing enough. If you have
advisors with better plans tell me about it. But MY Joint Chiefs of Staff have a plan. Repeat he said, My Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 16, 2015 01:35 PM (493sH)
he was exceptionally wee weed up when he said it too

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at November 16, 2015 01:36 PM (0O7c5)

234 213 You're making statements, striking those statements, refuting those strike-throughs, I just don't feel I can trust you on these important issues.

Cute. I obviously hit strikethrough on accident and acknowledged such. The video in the link I posted shows that Cruz made those remarks during a hearing.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 01:36 PM (YjDyJ)

235 I will submit a bill to build the Searchlight Nevada Syrian refugees Boys camp. Because I want to do it to the children. Oops I mean for the children.

Posted by: Harry Reid at November 16, 2015 01:36 PM (XtAzU)

236
>>>> TMZ reports that Charlie Sheen will acknowledge his HIV status in an interview on Today Show, tomorrow.
...................

And I bet he will be as high as a tick on flea powder.

Posted by: wth at November 16, 2015 01:36 PM (wAQA5)

237 "NumbersUSA now gives Cruz an overall A- on immigration, the same as Trump. Carson is a C."

Pointing out again here that Carson feels so strongly about the issues of amnesty and immigration that they do not even appear as topics in his _One Nation_ book.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 16, 2015 01:37 PM (noWW6)

238 But MY Joint Chiefs of Staff have a plan. Repeat he said, My Joint Chiefs of Staff.

He's bogarting.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 16, 2015 01:37 PM (oVJmc)

239
four buildings at Harvard in lockdown

either a poopsticka, an offensive Halloween costume, or one of their grad students just went jihad

Posted by: ThunderB at November 16, 2015 01:37 PM (zOTsN)

240 Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 01:09 PM
~~~
Did you bother to read Andy McCarthy's article that Ace linked?

Posted by: IrishEi at November 16, 2015 01:37 PM (E6RIJ)

241 ROOVES ARE ANGLED SO THAT THE RAIN WILL RUN OFF.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at November 16, 2015 01:37 PM (yG8t/)

242 Governors are going to have a hard time stopping Obama when he quietly busses Syrians wherever he damn well wants. Governors don't control immigration - though maybe it's time they did.

Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression at November 16, 2015 01:37 PM (VRc/p)

243 "Charlie Estevez?"

No, Emilio Sheen.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 16, 2015 01:37 PM (LA7Cm)

244 Hmm..CA will be next in telling the Syrians to pound sand, right? right?

Posted by: IC at November 16, 2015 01:38 PM (a0IVu)

245 A really interesting take by McCarthy. Do read it.

NRO, my blockies block all content there, so I don't go there anymore...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette


That's McCarthyism!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 16, 2015 01:38 PM (FkBIv)

246 The PoopStikas are against the wall.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:38 PM (lQmaY)

247

David Burge @iowahawkblog

Forget Syrian refugees, Texas needs to block California refugees.


heh

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 16, 2015 01:38 PM (qCMvj)

248 246 The PoopStikas are against the wall.
Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:38 PM (lQmaY)

The shits are not calm.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 16, 2015 01:39 PM (2Ojst)

249 172
BTW - short list of some of the gals who are going to the clinic:

www.famousfix.com/topic/charlie-sheen/dating

These are just the ones with SAG cards. Leaves out some names, the casual hookers and pick-ups.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 16, 2015 01:24 PM (kdS6q)

Lots of porn names in there. Ol' Charlie preferred professionals, it would seem.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at November 16, 2015 01:39 PM (RD7QR)

250 Two illegal immigrants talking about amnesty.


Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 12:51 PM (lQmaY)

You do know that Cruz's mother was born American don't you?

Posted by: redbanzai at November 16, 2015 01:39 PM (OrI3J)

251 (Reuters) - Republican presidential hopeful Ben Carson said on Monday the U.S. Congress should cut funding for all programs that bring people fleeing violence in Syria to the United States, and he said refugees now being resettled should be closely monitored.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 16, 2015 01:39 PM (7v/r5)

252 I'm confident my wonderful state of CA will be next. Really I am.
Really.

Posted by: wth at November 16, 2015 01:28 PM (wAQA5)


I want to move to your planet. It sounds very nice.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 16, 2015 01:39 PM (oKE6c)

253 239
four buildings at Harvard in lockdown

either a poopsticka, an offensive Halloween costume, or one of their grad students just went jihad
Posted by: ThunderB at November 16, 2015 01:37 PM (zOTsN

I was born a poor black child is my guess

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 16, 2015 01:39 PM (J3phO)

254 No, Emilio Sheen.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 16, 2015 01:37 PM (LA7Cm)
no, gloria kardashestefan

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at November 16, 2015 01:39 PM (0O7c5)

255 246 The PoopStikas are against the wall.
Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:38 PM (lQmaY)

John has a dirty Sanchez.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at November 16, 2015 01:39 PM (RD7QR)

256 This probably belongs on the previous thread but here goes.

I'm getting concerned that if ISIS does keep up their attacks on the West, even if they are countered or attacks are made back on them, that the current leaders won't take a page from the Viet Cong Tet Offensive and declare that there's no hope of defeating them and we must capitulate (well they always say "have peace talks" but that's what they mean).

If a few more attacks are bad enough, we just may start to hear this sort of crap from our modern Walter Cronkites about how they're winning and unstoppable and we must find another way to deal with them.

Anyone believe that the feckless leadership we're now saddled with along with support from the supine media will stand up to ISIS?

We can't even get our own people to agree to THINK about stopping an unwise inflow of potential terrorists in the face of just one blatant attack brought on by a similar inflow.

And btw, did anyone really think we got new leadership when Ryan was elected Speaker?

Only ones showing some sense and some guts are a few State Governors and how long will they be able (or even can they) to pressure and the courts of the Federal Gov't?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 16, 2015 01:39 PM (Xo1Rt)

257 Now, I know Obama is muzzie sympathizer and that they're culture is only backasswards because we are too wealthy a country and hog up all the earths resources, but he must be smart enough to know that we will be hit again on our own soil and if it's an illegal from the Me or Syrian that he will be blamed. How does this help him in the long term? Scratching my head here.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 16, 2015 01:40 PM (2x3L+)

258 250 Two illegal immigrants talking about amnesty.


Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 12:51 PM (lQmaY)

You do know that Cruz's mother was born American don't you?
Posted by: redbanzai at November 16, 2015 01:39 PM (OrI3

Are we talking about Speed Bump and his brother Crash from Boston?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 16, 2015 01:40 PM (J3phO)

259 The PoopStikas are against the wall.
Posted by: Boss Moss


I'll see you on the dark side of the Moon.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 16, 2015 01:40 PM (FkBIv)

260 178 "People who come here should expect nothing but the opportunity to make
something of themselves, with the gov't out of the way. This would
solve all of our problems."

What if the people who come here are ones who just can't cope, compete or contribute in a 21st century globalized economy?

Note that we have many millions of born U.S. citizens who are that way already.

---

Yeah, that's why I ended with we need to get rid of welfare. It all comes back to that. It breeds laziness at home and lures the worlds poor. And then I said "Crap", because I know ending welfare is a pipe dream.

Posted by: IdahoMatt at November 16, 2015 01:40 PM (SgYQy)

261 Israeli security forces have used "excessive force" and "may have carried out summary executions against Palestinians," UN experts claimed Monday, blaming the terror war against Israelis and Jews on the victims.


But France is the victim?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 16, 2015 01:40 PM (gf8BH)

262 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 16, 2015 01:36 PM (qCMvj)

Check your e-mail.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite at November 16, 2015 01:41 PM (Zu3d9)

263 charlie is going to announce he has the h1b virus .......

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at November 16, 2015 01:41 PM (0O7c5)

264 "...What if the people who come here are ones who just can't cope, compete or contribute in a 21st century globalized economy?..."
Posted by: torquewrench at November 16, 2015 01:26 PM (noWW6)

Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at November 16, 2015 01:41 PM (JOG+K)

265 Rubio is a squish

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 16, 2015 01:41 PM (gf8BH)

266

Sally Kohn

Y'all realize ISIS wants to provoke a war, right? If we go to war, we're doing exactly what the terrorists want.


tell me more Sall-yeeeeeeeeee

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 16, 2015 01:41 PM (qCMvj)

267 I think I will transfer my Trump-Curiousness to Cruz.

Rubio is such a joke. But he makes pretty noises.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 16, 2015 01:42 PM (AWe5n)

268 either a poopsticka, an offensive Halloween costume, or one of their grad students just went jihad

Probably just kids frustrated that actual dead people get more press than their tantrum. You may have seen some of the comments on social media, like the Black Lives Matter saying that Paris had it coming for being oppressive colonial whiteys.

Charlie preferred professionals, it would seem.

Well yes, he did point out that you pay hookers to leave.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:42 PM (39g3+)

269 If you really want to get depressed, see the NY Post sidebar article about OFA training agitators.

The Long March Through the Institutions has entered its endgame.

Posted by: rickl at November 16, 2015 01:42 PM (zoehZ)

270 Wish I had Sheen's money...

Posted by: Bruce With a Gangster Wang! at November 16, 2015 01:42 PM (iQIUe)

271 Check your e-mail.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite at November 16, 2015 01:41 PM (Zu3d9)



you mean my super duper encrypted email?
okay!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 16, 2015 01:43 PM (qCMvj)

272 According to CNN French affiliate BFM, 6 of the Paris terrorists spent time in Syria. -- Jake Tapper

Posted by: Ted Fucking Cruz at November 16, 2015 01:43 PM (TJCSB)

273 Sally Kohn

Y'all realize ISIS wants to provoke a war, right? If we go to war, we're doing exactly what the terrorists want.

----------

So did Japan.

Posted by: SH at November 16, 2015 01:43 PM (gmeXX)

274 If we fight back against Japan it's just what they want.

Posted by: Sally Kohn December 8, 1941 at November 16, 2015 01:43 PM (FkBIv)

275 Rubio is Jeb with a tan.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 16, 2015 01:44 PM (oDCMR)

276 he must be smart enough to know that we will be hit again on our own soil and if it's an illegal from the Me or Syrian that he will be blamed.

Well clinically a narcissist is certain that they are so good and smart they can handle anything that comes their way, plus he's got absolute certainty that the press will without fail protect him. Especially during a presidential election.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:44 PM (39g3+)

277 "BTW - short list of some of the gals who are going to the clinic:
www.famousfix.com/topic/charlie-sheen/dating
These are just the ones with SAG cards. Leaves out some names, the casual hookers and pick-ups.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 16, 2015 01:24 PM (kdS6q)"


I see Elliott Spitzer's girl Ashley Dupre is on the list. Better get tested Elliott.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 16, 2015 01:44 PM (OD2ni)

278 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 16, 2015 01:36 PM (qCMvj)

Check your e-mail.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite at November 16, 2015 01:41 PM (Zu3d9)


that was nice of you, thanks

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 16, 2015 01:44 PM (qCMvj)

279 Lots of porn names in there. Ol' Charlie preferred professionals, it would seem.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at November 16, 2015 01:39 PM (RD7QR)


Some of them look like obvious trannies.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 16, 2015 01:44 PM (4ErVI)

280 191 That's exactly what Obama will do-take away Federal funding if they refuse to take in the thousands of refugees and the twisted Islamic terrorists that came along for the ride.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 16, 2015 01:28 PM (No/ki)


Good luck collecting our taxes.

Posted by: Indiana Citizens at November 16, 2015 01:44 PM (5v1iw)

281 Eff Carson. Wouldn't it be easier to move the refugees back to the ME rather than monitor them?

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 16, 2015 01:44 PM (yG8t/)

282 231 So, nothing will happen. Ryan has not staked his position on stopping the abuse. It's just something to work out until it's water under the bridge.

Our.Enemy.

Each House committee serves a certain purpose. Here is a list of the all them in the House: http://www.house.gov/committees/. Their individual areas of jurisdiction are at the individual links.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 01:45 PM (YjDyJ)

283 Sweden connects Paris massacre with Palestinian desperation
Swedish Joreign minister, who has previously clashed with Israel, caused outrage in Israel by drawing a link between the terror attacks in Paris and the feelings of Palestinians. The Israeli Foreign Ministry has invited the Swedish ambassador for a discussion in order to clarify the comments.

Another diplomatic spat between Sweden and Israel erupted this week after Swedish Foreign Minister Margot Wallstrom seemed to imply that there was a connection between Islamist terrorism and the desperate situation of the Palestinians.


yeah NO, how about fuck you, you nazi cunt

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 16, 2015 01:45 PM (gf8BH)

284 " 6 of the Paris terrorists spent time in Syria. -- Jake Tapper"


Well I'll be. Go figure.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 16, 2015 01:45 PM (LA7Cm)

285 If elected president I will deport Sally Kohn, with my fists. After taking her jewelry.

Posted by: Ted Fucking Cruz at November 16, 2015 01:45 PM (TJCSB)

286 Vic: 102 Any word yet on Carson's presser?

I keep scanning the comments, 'cause if anything significant happens, it tends to be reported here first.

Apparently Carson is not as significant as Charlie Sheen's diseased sex life.

Posted by: mindful webworker - just the facts, ma'am at November 16, 2015 01:45 PM (Yf6eY)

287 Monitor them? Because the Feds can't even deliver the Ckufing Mail?

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:45 PM (lQmaY)

288 I wish I knew how we would have fared if we would have passed Bush's immigration reform a decade ago. One positive guess I'll make is that the fence everyone wants would have been built as a concession to the opponents.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 16, 2015 01:46 PM (Z+ic4)

289 Governors don't control immigration - though maybe it's time they did.

Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression

Although we have Mayors that have taken on declaring their cities as 'Sanctuaries".

What will it take to wake our country up?

Will it be the pandemics that begin due to the influx of refugees and their children creating national panic and the need for huge Federal spending while people die?

Will it be when shit starts blowing up and the Fed can no longer call it 'Workplace Violence'?

Posted by: Cheri at November 16, 2015 01:46 PM (oiNtH)

290 Rubio vs. Cruz--

Can we put them in Thunderdome? My money's on Cruz.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at November 16, 2015 01:46 PM (VAsIq)

291 Sally Kohn

Y'all realize ISIS wants to provoke a war, right? If we go to war, we're doing exactly what the terrorists want.

----------

Is this serious? This is about the dumbest comment I have ever read.

Posted by: SH at November 16, 2015 01:46 PM (gmeXX)

292 Sally Kohn
Y'all realize ISIS wants to provoke a war, right? If we go to war, we're doing exactly what the terrorists want.
tell me more Sall-yeeeeeeeeee
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 16, 2015 01:41 PM (qCMvj)




I hate it when liberals trot out that kind of stupid argument, which suggests that a nice supine response is the way to go.

What ISIS really wants is to call the shots on this planet. Provoking a war is just what they think is a way to get them into position to do that. But I suspect that our armed forces might have other ideas.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 16, 2015 01:46 PM (oKE6c)

293 Sweden connects Paris massacre with Palestinian desperation

In a related story, vast herds of idiots still roam the earth.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 16, 2015 01:47 PM (659DL)

294 "Sally Kohn

Y'all realize ISIS wants to provoke a war, right? If we go to war, we're doing exactly what the terrorists want.
----------
So did Japan."

Sally just waits to see what conservatives say about something, and then says the opposite. She is a joke.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 16, 2015 01:47 PM (OD2ni)

295 So, nothing will happen. Ryan has not staked his position on stopping the abuse. It's just something to work out until it's water under the bridge.

Our.Enemy.

Each House committee serves a certain purpose. Here is a list of the all them in the House: http://www.house.gov/committees/. Their individual areas of jurisdiction are at the individual links.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 01:45 PM (YjDyJ)


yes but he is Speaker now

the leader

he should, ya know, LEAD

Posted by: ThunderB at November 16, 2015 01:47 PM (zOTsN)

296 Sally Kohn



Y'all realize ISIS wants to provoke a war, right? If we go to war, we're doing exactly what the terrorists want.




They also want to die for Islam. And that's exactly what I want too.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 16, 2015 01:47 PM (oKE6c)

297 290
Rubio vs. Cruz--



Can we put them in Thunderdome? My money's on Cruz.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at November 16, 2015 01:46 PM (VAsIq)
pay per view......

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at November 16, 2015 01:47 PM (0O7c5)

298 Y'all realize ISIS wants to provoke a war, right?

Holy shit, that is stupid (and ignorant of Islam, yo.)

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 16, 2015 01:48 PM (659DL)

299 >>four buildings at Harvard in lockdown
either a poopsticka, an offensive Halloween costume, or one of their grad students just went jihad


I'm thinking jerk-wad student(s) wanting the attention firmly back on their "movement"/ temper-tantrum instead of Paris.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 16, 2015 01:48 PM (NOIQH)

300 Rubio vs. Cruz--



Can we put them in Thunderdome? My money's on Cruz.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at November 16, 2015 01:46 PM (VAsIq)
pay per view......


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Didn't Henry VIII wrestle the king of france at one time?

Posted by: SH at November 16, 2015 01:48 PM (gmeXX)

301 -
40 Sorry OT but TMZ reports that Charlie Sheen will acknowledge his HIV status in an interview on Today Show, tomorrow.
Posted by: for those interested
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So THAT's what tiger-blood means.

Posted by: irright at November 16, 2015 01:48 PM (pMGkg)

302 >>Y'all realize ISIS wants to provoke a war, right? If we go to war, we're doing exactly what the terrorists want.

They also want to kill gays and lesbians in barbaric ways.

Something to ponder, Sally.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 16, 2015 01:49 PM (/tuJf)

303 The thing is, we have been hit, several times, on our soil. Over and over.

There's been 23 terrorist attacks on the US, in America, since President Obama took office. We've been hit about 4 times a year on average, and look at the response. Why would Obama worry now?

http://tinyurl.com/8w66bw6

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:49 PM (39g3+)

304 "Yeah, you ISIS fags are just big talk. You won't do anything to DC, and you know why? Because you're pussies! That's right! You heard me! I said, you're PUSSIES! You don't have the BALLS to do that, and you know why? That's right - because you're PUSSIES!"
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 16, 2015 01:11 PM (oKE6c


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Heh. You should start a hashtag and FB trend. But even then I bet ISIS wouldn't attack DC, because, well, they're pussies.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2015 01:49 PM (Fmupd)

305 >>Y'all realize ISIS wants to provoke a war, right? If we go to war, we're doing exactly what the terrorists want.


Shorter: Y'all know that bully will get your lunch money, so just hand it over.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 16, 2015 01:49 PM (NOIQH)

306 s this serious? This is about the dumbest comment I have ever read.
Posted by: SH at November 16, 2015 01:46 PM (gmeXX)

Gee not even close...The dems have racked up a rather impressive list

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 16, 2015 01:49 PM (gf8BH)

307 he was exceptionally wee weed up when he said it too


Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at November 16, 2015 01:36 PM (0O7c5)


Oh yeah, he was in full how dare any question my genius mode.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 16, 2015 01:49 PM (493sH)

308 Let Sally Cohen negotiate a truce.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:49 PM (lQmaY)

309 240 Did you bother to read Andy McCarthy's article that Ace linked?

Yes. Again, McCarthy's narrative is too clever by half, especially when you examine Cruz's own words regarding the subject. If Cruz did not want to be associated with those comments then why did he made them? Furthermore, why post them on YouTube? Either Cruz was lying then about or he is lying now. Ultimately, all I am asking is that Cruz be treated the same as Rubio when it comes to flip-flopping.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 01:49 PM (YjDyJ)

310 "Another diplomatic spat between Sweden and Israel erupted this week after
Swedish Foreign Minister Margot Wallstrom seemed to imply that there
was a connection between Islamist terrorism and the desperate situation
of the Palestinians."

How many women in Sweden have been raped by Jews?

How many of them by Muslims?

Posted by: torquewrench at November 16, 2015 01:50 PM (noWW6)

311 I love when Twitchy posts that picture of Sally Kohn doing the "Hands up, Don't Shoot" gesture with the super serial look on her face. Priceless idiot.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 16, 2015 01:50 PM (OD2ni)

312 263 charlie is going to announce he has the h1b virus .......


Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at November 16, 2015 01:41 PM (0O7c5)


Big safety tip... don't cross the streams... it would be.... bad...

Posted by: Dr. Venkman at November 16, 2015 01:50 PM (qh617)

313 Posted by: L, Elle at November 16, 2015 01:40 PM (2x3L+)

You're giving him the values that you have.

He doesn't CARE if he's blamed. Or the Democrats.

They're immune (almost) due to their possession of a gigantic propaganda machine let alone 50% of the citizens will agree with them. (that some how we deserve being killed)

It's like fighting Muslims in general; first you have to wrap your heads around the fact that most of them won't surrender. They will fight to the death. They embrace death. You can't demoralize them with the threat as they are ready and willing to die if they can take you with them.

It's a philosophy of existence that Western Civ has long had a problem dealing with during conflict.

We tend to slowly jack up the kill ratio, expecting that eventually the enemy will capitulate because they see they can't possibly win. That doesn't work with Muslims. They are not deterred.

To win, we must be ruthless and engage in total and complete annihilation of them and their support structure (women and children) if we don't we're just wasting our time.

Call me evil call me vicious but tell me I'm wrong in the face of their history.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 16, 2015 01:50 PM (Xo1Rt)

314 273 Sally Kohn

Y'all realize ISIS wants to provoke a war, right? If we go to war, we're doing exactly what the terrorists want.

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Ronda Rousey also talked smack . Didn't work out too well for her.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 16, 2015 01:50 PM (Z+ic4)

315 "I'm getting concerned that if ISIS does keep up their attacks on the
West, even if they are countered or attacks are made back on them, that
the current leaders won't take a page from the Viet Cong Tet Offensive
and declare that there's no hope of defeating them and we must
capitulate (well they always say "have peace talks" but that's what they
mean)."


You seem to be under the false impression that we lost the Vietnam War at the Paris peace tables. That is false. We won the war on the ground in Vietnam. We came to a draw at the peace talks. We lost the Vietnam War in Washington D.C.


After Nixon resigned, the next election in 1974 gave Democrats veto proof majorities in both houses of Congress. The very first thing that the Democrats did with those veto proof majorities was to cut off all aid to the Republic of South Vietnam. When the North Vietnamese invaded, the South Vietnamese fought like they had in 1972 when the annihilated a North Vietnamese with more armored vehicles than Heinz Guderian used to conquer France in 1940. Problem is that when the South Vietnamese ran out of ammunition, the US would not resupply them and that was the end of South Vietnam.


Kind of reminds you of Iraq, doesn't it?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at November 16, 2015 01:50 PM (QHgTq)

316 293 Sweden connects Paris massacre with Palestinian desperation
In a related story, vast herds of idiots still roam the earth.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 16, 2015 01:47 PM (659DL)

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"Sweden's anti-immigration party now in first place. Why?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCGedOGCrnQ

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 16, 2015 01:50 PM (oKE6c)

317 Illinois suspended their Syrian outreach program.

Racists!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 16, 2015 01:50 PM (fWAjv)

318 Y'all realize ISIS wants to provoke a war, right? If we go to war, we're doing exactly what the terrorists want.

Fareed Zakaria said essentially the same thing on his show yesterday.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 16, 2015 01:50 PM (FkBIv)

319 "I know ending welfare is a pipe dream"
Mass Welfare payments (FSA) will soon end (within next five years) because Obama and the Democrats and the GOPe have run out of other people's money.

Posted by: Pipe Dream at November 16, 2015 01:51 PM (1uTkE)

320 I get it, Cruz can 'evolve' on H1B but Rubio can't repudiate Gang of Eight.

Cruz gooood, Rubio baaaaaaad. You guys are really gonna enjoy Hilary as president.

Posted by: Rick at November 16, 2015 01:51 PM (4P0ds)

321 Oh, okay, I see a report on Carson's press conf at #251. Nothingburger, really.

Posted by: mindful webworker - just the facts, ma'am at November 16, 2015 01:51 PM (Yf6eY)

322 When all else fails, blame the Joo. Its the European way. Someone posted a bit in my Twitter feed this morning: in 1935, signs were up in Europe telling Jews to move to palestine. Now they're up telling Jews to move out of palestine. Pretty much they want Jews to not be anywhere.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:51 PM (39g3+)

323 Is this serious? This is about the dumbest comment I have ever read.

Posted by: SH

Except when you look to the entertainment industry. Madonna came out and said that "we need to love ISIS away".

There is no help for these people.

Posted by: Cheri at November 16, 2015 01:51 PM (oiNtH)

324 Rubio is a young man in a hurry. His decision tree prioritizes "how will this advance me" over "will this advance the common good."

The Gang of Eight bill is a case in point. He thought that by "leading the charge" on an "important bipartisan piece of legislation" he'd answer that he was only a wet behind the ears freshman Senator. Why even the Great Obama didn't accomplish that in the Senate.

Transparent, no?



on the make. He was (and still is) capable of doing things

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 16, 2015 01:51 PM (r1fLd)

325 Ultimately, all I am asking is that Cruz be treated the same as Rubio when it comes to flip-flopping.

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Not all flip-flops are created equal.

Posted by: SH at November 16, 2015 01:51 PM (gmeXX)

326 (AP) -- Once a happy-go-lucky student at one of Brussels' most prestigious high schools, Saint-Pierre d'Uccle, Abdelhamid Abaaoud morphed into Belgium's most notorious jihadi, a zealot so devoted to the cause of holy war that he recruited his 13-year-old brother to join him in Syria.





What forced this poor innocent lamb to do this? Must have been Islamaphobia!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 16, 2015 01:51 PM (493sH)

327
Yes, troyriser, a ridiculous figure. Substantively. As a candidate for high office. As in having the intellect or character for same.

Come from behind victory against the Orange One in FL? Good for him.

In a lesser sense, obviously, just another Obama phenomenon. Ethnicity, style, appearance over substance (recall Obama, in 2008, "ran" on major policy points indistinguishable from a Dem of the 1980s, or most of the GOP - not on the "fundamental transformation" single-date-point statement from late in the campaign).

Anyway, his Gang of Eight stunt has no parallel, in terms of both substance and politics, as a catastrophic and laughably inept move, that I am aware of, in modern political history.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 16, 2015 01:51 PM (QDnY+)

328 >>"Twitter saying Mass (!) has jumped on the no refugee bandwagon. "

IL and MA governors realized all red state governors would eventually join in and then they'd be left getting all the refugees pushed on them.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 16, 2015 01:52 PM (NOIQH)

329 Well Sally is right.


They do want a war because they think, with some justification, that we'll fight it like we have every war since WWII.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 16, 2015 01:52 PM (4ErVI)

330 It's not just McCarthy who is making the point that Rubio is lying about Cruz' record. This was already addressed by the estimable Daniel Horowitz over at Conservative Review plus Levin already called out Marco on his lying.

Of course, he also called out Trump for his outrageous innuendo against Carson. If Trump doesn't start getting his act together, I think that Erick Ericsson may end up being right and that Cruz will get the nomination.

The H1B visa tactics designed to kill the Gang of Eight Amnesty bill will not hurt Cruz in the least. Anyone who has followed how Cruz has engaged in the amnesty battle should know better than to accuse him of being pro-illegal. He's more of a hard-liner than even Trump on this issue (who has no problem letting the "good ones" in.)

Posted by: beeblebrox has 2 heads at November 16, 2015 01:52 PM (wPIZb)

331 After Nixon resigned, the next election in 1974 gave Democrats veto proof majorities in both houses of Congress.

The Senate was only 62-38.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 16, 2015 01:52 PM (659DL)

332 (AP) -- Once a happy-go-lucky student at one of Brussels' most
prestigious high schools, Saint-Pierre d'Uccle, Abdelhamid Abaaoud
morphed into Belgium's most notorious jihadi, a zealot so devoted to the
cause of holy war that he recruited his 13-year-old brother to join him
in Syria.




Chemjeff, any thoughts on this vis a vis our discussion of yesterday?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 16, 2015 01:53 PM (oKE6c)

333 I get it, Cruz can 'evolve' on H1B but Rubio can't repudiate Gang of Eight.

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Cruz never got in bed with Schumer. Big difference.

Posted by: SH at November 16, 2015 01:53 PM (gmeXX)

334 >>four buildings at Harvard in lockdown

A conservative was spotted; authorities have narrowed his whereabouts to four buildings.

Posted by: USA at November 16, 2015 01:53 PM (tfM+W)

335 >>Fareed Zakaria said essentially the same thing on his show yesterday.

So did Obama. It is THE liberal killer snark when defending why they believe our best strategy it to lay back and think of Allah.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 16, 2015 01:53 PM (/tuJf)

336 IL and MA governors realized all red state governors
would eventually join in and then they'd be left getting all the
refugees pushed on them.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 16, 2015 01:52 PM (NOIQH)


Nah. They're California-bound. Book it.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 16, 2015 01:54 PM (oKE6c)

337 >>four buildings at Harvard in lockdown
>>

Somebody went out drinking instead of staying in and studying.


<<Harvard's final exams for the fall term began last week and are scheduled to go through Friday.>>

http://preview.tinyurl.com/prsufo4

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 16, 2015 01:54 PM (XtAzU)

338 Once a happy-go-lucky student at one of Brussels' most prestigious high schools

Just once, I'd like for one of these to lead off with "He was always an evil fuck..."

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 16, 2015 01:54 PM (659DL)

339 A Gadsden Flag was spotted.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:54 PM (lQmaY)

340 >>Madonna came out and said that "we need to love ISIS away".


Where's all this love when talking about, say, Bush, or politicians who don't support the latest progressive celebrity cause like same-sex marriage?

Madonna ever say we have to love Bush even if she thinks his wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were wrong, wrong, wrong?

Exactly.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 16, 2015 01:55 PM (NOIQH)

341 ISIS is spoiling for a fight? There's a joke about a fly on a handle. Punch line. Don't fly off the handle if you are full of Islamic Rhetoric.

Posted by: WWI at November 16, 2015 01:55 PM (I0sxh)

342
I'd say to tie the level of immigration to the unemployment rate, if i thought i could trust them to not fiddle the numbers.
unemployment > 6%, no net immigration
unemployment 5-6% we let in russian mail order brides
unemployment 4-5% chinese mail order brides too
unemployment 3-4% all mail order brides who speak english
unemployment 2-3% any women < 24 with a BMI < 18
unemployment 1-2% college educated folk
unemployment 0-1% the Irish
unemployment = 0%, a muslim


Posted by: buzzsaw90 at November 16, 2015 01:55 PM (/eTPT)

343 People just do not want to hear about how bad things are, until it's too late and they are affected. They are ostriches with underground bread and circuses (football games). And the Giants lost because of a field goal.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 16, 2015 01:55 PM (yG8t/)

344 Ultimately, all I am asking is that Cruz be treated the same as Rubio when it comes to flip-flopping.
...
I get it, Cruz can 'evolve' on H1B but Rubio can't repudiate Gang of Eight.

I think Rubio would be given a greater benefit of the doubt if he wasn't saying one thing in English and another in Spanish so often on the topic. And if he was a bit more focused on being conservative instead of being the hispanic guy who's good on immigration.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:55 PM (39g3+)

345 Sweden connects Paris massacre with Palestinian desperation Swedish Joreign minister, who has previously clashed with Israel, caused outrage in Israel by drawing a link between the terror attacks in Paris and the feelings of Palestinians.




I thought it was climate change

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 16, 2015 01:55 PM (493sH)

346
Not all flip-flops are created equal.
Posted by: SH at November 16, 2015 01:51 PM (gmeXX)

Very true. My previous pair was too thin and hurt my feet as a result. The ones I have now are much better.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 16, 2015 01:55 PM (2Ojst)

347 Posted by: Rick at November 16, 2015 01:51 PM (4P0ds)

Has Cruz mischaracterized Rubio's actions? That's the point.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 16, 2015 01:56 PM (Z+ic4)

348 Rubio is a young man in a hurry. His decision tree prioritizes "how will this advance me" over "will this advance the common good."

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A fair point. There are many things I like about Rubio, but I do feel like he needs a lot of seasoning. He and Cruz are same age and vintage, but I get the impression that Cruz has a much more developed conservative ideology - one that he has studied and examined.

Posted by: SH at November 16, 2015 01:56 PM (gmeXX)

349 295 yes but he is Speaker now
the leader
he should, ya know, LEAD

When Boehner was Speaker, a number of conservatives complained- and for good reasons- that too much was being decided and drafted by leadership instead of by the committees with jurisdiction, the chairmen and members who are actually experts on certain issues. All that Ryan is doing here is allowing the committees to work as intended. Besides, any bill addressing the Syrian refugees has to be drafted and passed by a committee. As far as the Conference is concerned, the matter will be addressed when members return to D.C. In the meantime, Ryan has asked that they be briefed about the Paris attacks.

-> @ChadPergram 3m ago Hmelnd Sec Chair McCaul writes to Obama: I call on you to temporarily suspend the admission of all additional Syrian refugees into the US

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 01:56 PM (YjDyJ)

350 342 Screw that. We're not taking the Irish.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 01:56 PM (lQmaY)

351 Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at November 16, 2015 01:50 PM (QHgTq)

Yup...

It always amazes me to talk to people who were ALIVE at that time, but have bought into the 'we were defeated in Viet Nam' meme...

The US has not yet militarily lost a War.... its always politicians giving our hard fought victories away which look like defeat...

Posted by: Bb Wolf at November 16, 2015 01:56 PM (qh617)

352 338 Once a happy-go-lucky student at one of Brussels' most prestigious high schools
Just once, I'd like for one of these to lead off with "He was always an evil fuck..."
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 16, 2015 01:54 PM (659DL)




Neighbors interviewed: "Yeah, I never trust that slimy mofo, and always suspected that he was responsible for the dogs and cats missing in the neighborhood."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 16, 2015 01:56 PM (oKE6c)

353 Aw, look. Paris is holding candlighgt vigils. That'll scare the hell out of the muzzies.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2015 01:57 PM (Fmupd)

354 Rumor from Worcester that the Army Reserve Center that was looted of 16+ weapons was breached through the roof, causing a fire that alerted authorities to the break-in.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 16, 2015 01:57 PM (2cS/G)

355 Did Hickenlooper say no to Syrians? I'm hoping they won't want to come here on their own because of the cold weather

Posted by: L, Elle at November 16, 2015 01:57 PM (2x3L+)

356 "If we go to war, we're doing exactly what [ISIS wants].

Sally Kohn is right. ISIS wants to bring on an End of Days battle with "Rome." Because it's foretold in the Koran.

So why wait for the Second Coming when you can have the joy of being the sword of Allah -- praise be upon him -- right now.

That said, I don't know what to make of this from a military standpoint. It suggests the US should avoid a mano-a-mano ground game, but that we take out their oil fields and Raqqa, etc.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 16, 2015 01:57 PM (r1fLd)

357 Not all flip-flops are created equal.

Posted by: SH at November 16, 2015 01:51 PM (gmeXX)



Flip-flops is not a name. It is a destiny!

Posted by: TIDDIES, oh, yea... at November 16, 2015 01:58 PM (9eYoy)

358 It always amazes me to talk to people who were ALIVE at that time, but have bought into the 'we were defeated in Viet Nam' meme...

It amazes me that twenty JDAMs are a "massive" airstrike when battle damage assessment photos from Linebacker II still exist.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 16, 2015 01:58 PM (659DL)

359 Sally Kohn must have never heard the saying ' careful for what you wish for. You may get it'

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 16, 2015 01:59 PM (Z+ic4)

360
I thought it was climate change


The New York Money Men cause climate change, did you not know?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 01:59 PM (39g3+)

361 342
I'd say to tie the level of immigration to the unemployment rate, if i thought i could trust them to not fiddle the numbers.
unemployment > 6%, no net immigration
unemployment 5-6% we let in russian mail order brides
unemployment 4-5% chinese mail order brides too
unemployment 3-4% all mail order brides who speak english
unemployment 2-3% any women
unemployment 1-2% college educated folk
unemployment 0-1% the Irish
unemployment = 0%, a muslim




Posted by: buzzsaw90 at November 16, 2015 01:55 PM (/eTPT)

You need to use Employed numbers... not unemployed numbers....

Note... for the last 18 years since I retired from the military... I have been self employed.... and thus have NEVER counted as unemployed... even though I was not working at various times.

Posted by: Bb Wolf at November 16, 2015 01:59 PM (qh617)

362 The jihadi wants to die. Better to let him kill you than do what he wants. Is that correct madame walrus lesbian fool?

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 16, 2015 01:59 PM (yG8t/)

363 I am going to announce that I left the poop-stika at Mizzou.

Posted by: Charlie Sheen at November 16, 2015 01:59 PM (OD2ni)

364 >>Did Hickenlooper say no to Syrians? I'm hoping they won't want to come here on their own because of the cold weather

I wouldn't hold out too much hope on that front. Both Minnesota and Maine are chock full of Somalians and it is hotter than under balls in hell in Somolia.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 16, 2015 02:00 PM (/tuJf)

365 Lincolnf


More then a rumor

TV

http://tinyurl.com/p697pxh

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 16, 2015 02:00 PM (ptqRm)

366 Somebody elected a guy named Chickenfucker?

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 02:00 PM (lQmaY)

367
Madonna came out and said that "we need to love ISIS away".
.............

Send in Charlie Sheen.

Posted by: wth at November 16, 2015 02:01 PM (wAQA5)

368 It always amazes me to talk to people who were ALIVE at that time, but have bought into the 'we were defeated in Viet Nam' meme...

Zombie said the students in SF are being taught that Nixon STARTED the Viet Nam war!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 16, 2015 02:01 PM (FkBIv)

369 But I suspect that our armed forces might have other ideas.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 16, 2015 01:46 PM (oKE6c)

The troops yes! The leadership? I'ts Sally Kohn all the way down.

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at November 16, 2015 02:01 PM (JOG+K)

370 Common Sense Armory Control.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 02:02 PM (lQmaY)

371 366
Somebody elected a guy named Chickenfucker?


Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2015 02:00 PM (lQmaY)

Non-related....
And there's a Charlie Sheen thread above....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 16, 2015 02:02 PM (AC0lD)

372 Immigration's really interesting and all, but Charlie Sheen has AIDS.

Posted by: Sam In VA at November 16, 2015 02:02 PM (bNi5D)

373 I am going to announce that I left the poop-stika at Mizzou.
Posted by: Charlie Sheen


I left my poop-stika in San Francisco.

Posted by: Tony Bennett at November 16, 2015 02:04 PM (FkBIv)

374 Oh Sally dear, you do realize that radicalized Islamists want a world-wide caliphate don't you?

You do realize that they kill gay people and that you may be at risk? If you escape that, you do realize that you would be covered head to toe, not allowed to drive, and basically become chattel to whomever owned you, right?

Posted by: Cheri at November 16, 2015 02:04 PM (oiNtH)

375 Cruz is transgendered, so you might as well vote for me, trasphobe, cis scum.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 16, 2015 02:05 PM (yG8t/)

376 That said, I don't know what to make of this from a military standpoint. It suggests the US should avoid a mano-a-mano ground game, but that we take out their oil fields and Raqqa, etc.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 16, 2015 01:57 PM (r1fLd)


Start in Bagdad... send First Armored up the Euphrates... send 1st Cav up the Tigris... all the infrastructure of the region is built along those rivers.

Tell our 'allies' to protect our rear...

ISIS has not faced an organized Army.... ever... they have no conception of the amount of firepower a US Division can bring to the table.

Like Desert Storm, or the invasion of Iraq... take off the gloves and let the Heavies play...

Note, during Desert Storm we would have lost more Military to CAR ACCIDENTS if they had been back stateside, than we did to what at the time was classified as a large organized Modern Army...

Posted by: Bb Wolf at November 16, 2015 02:05 PM (qh617)

377 Yeah, I think the H1Bs should be suspending alot longer than 6 months, and tied to the unemployment rate.
I did like that he wanted to limit it to advanced degree holders only, from accredited institutions.
I'd like him to come out for repealing the 1965 immigration law, and starting over.

Posted by: Iblis at November 16, 2015 02:05 PM (9221z)

378 325 Not all flip-flops are created equal.

True, but McCarthy is asserting that Rubio cannot claim that Cruz's views on immigration were once quite similar because Cruz was supposedly playing eleventh-dimensional chess, a claim which is proven false by Cruz's own words. Again, the bottom line is that every Republican presidential candidate has at some time or another supported legalization. Last I heard, Cruz currently refused to say whether he supported it or not. With regards to Rubio, the debate over whether he is trustworthy or not depends on whether you believe he truly learned something from the Gang of Eight experience.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 02:06 PM (YjDyJ)

379 Let's start with the obvious. Rubio is a pathological liar. Lying is requisite behavior for politicians, but unlike Democrats, Republicans don't base their preference for a candidate on how much he or she lies. Hillary is the Democratic frontrunner because she lies so often, albeit poorly.

Rubio's initial lying was particularly pernicious given he did so to curry favor with the very people who tried to defeat him and put the equally execrable Charlie Crist into his seat. Rubio slapped those who elected him. He displayed atrocious judgment. He speaks eloquently but says nothing. Fortunately with his policy choices, he acts stupidly and accomplishes nothing. As an aside, the cucktingent which supports Rubio deserve him given how he would change positions overnight on abortion and other issues that matter to them.

In rapid, jaw-dropping fashion, Rubio went overnight from some limp-wristed Establishment type who wanted to let hundreds of thousands of jihadis into the United States and now is in opposition to this relocation. Wonder what happened?

McCarthy has Rubio's number.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at November 16, 2015 02:06 PM (pq97T)

380 You do realize that they kill gay people and that you may be at risk? If you escape that, you do realize that you would be covered head to toe, not allowed to drive, and basically become chattel to whomever owned you, right?
Posted by: Cheri
---
No. She's probably already been offered a Sheikdom and her own harem.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 16, 2015 02:07 PM (yG8t/)

381 Thanks, VIA, hadn't seen that confirmed. I suppose "inside job" is still a definite possibility, but it's not a sure thing.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 16, 2015 02:08 PM (2cS/G)

382 372
Immigration's really interesting and all, but Charlie Sheen has AIDS.





Posted by: Sam In VA at November 16, 2015 02:02 PM (bNi5D)
winning?



Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at November 16, 2015 02:09 PM (0O7c5)

383 You seem to be under the false impression that we lost the Vietnam War
at the Paris peace tables. That is false. We won the war on the ground
in Vietnam. We came to a draw at the peace talks. We lost the Vietnam
War in Washington D.C.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at November 16, 2015 01:50 PM (QHgTq)


What part of what I said made you think that?

I went on to say that it's the feckless leadership and the supine media that will cave.

Which is what happened after Tet.

Read again what I said.

that the current leaders won't take a page from the Viet Cong Tet
Offensive and declare that there's no hope of defeating them and we must
capitulate
(well they always say "have peace talks" but that's what
they mean).

They will call their capitulate Peace talks but what happens will be capitulation.

And Yes, I was alive then, and no I don't believe we lost Tet, we lost when that pos Cronkite convinced the Nation that we lost during Tet. And then Congress (led by the Democrats and some useful idiot Republicans) started backing down and suddenly what was just a mirage became a reality.

Aided and abetted by the feckless supine media.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 16, 2015 02:09 PM (Xo1Rt)

384 Sorry ace, you can't raise sympathy for Cruz by claiming Pubio is unfairly attacking him. That's like raising sympathy for Yeb by complaining the media is unfairly attacked him.

Cruz is what he is and stands or falls on that.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 16, 2015 02:10 PM (yG8t/)

385
"Y'all realize ISIS wants to provoke a war, right? If we go to war, we're doing exactly what the terrorists want."

Ah yes, the leftist fantasy that by going to war we will be creating more terrorists than we kill. Also that it will be portrayed as a global war on Muslims and cause ALL Muslims to go Jihad on us.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 16, 2015 02:12 PM (uhftQ)

386 Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at November 16, 2015 01:50 PM (QHgTq)

Nice summation. Thanks.

Posted by: LASue at November 16, 2015 02:13 PM (5Rb/A)

387
Now, I know Obama is muzzie sympathizer and that they're culture is only backasswards because we are too wealthy a country and hog up all the earths resources, but he must be smart enough to know that we will be hit again on our own soil and if it's an illegal from the Me or Syrian that he will be blamed. How does this help him in the long term? Scratching my head here.

You would be amazed how effective the phrases, "I inherited a mess" and "It's Bush's fault" still resonate in the US of A.

Twenty bucks in my pocket says when a US city (one the blue-state pricks care about) is hit, it will be blamed on Bush and the GOP.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 16, 2015 02:14 PM (X6fMO)

388 26 This is Rubio's big flaw, and its a fatal one. Republicans simply will not support someone who is so totally in for illegal immigration, no matter how you spin the wording. If he weren't this way on immigration, he'd be the front runner by a thousand miles.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 12:57 PM (39g3+)

Hey, can I have some of what your smoking?

Trump leads the pack because of the massive unrest of the electorate for what they perceive, and rightly so, to be the complete betrayal by the GOP of the base. Trump also appeals to moderates and some dems, something no other candidate can claim, certainly nor establishment candidate, to be sure.

Posted by: the really really big money that wants Jeb! to win, and rinsed penis...gope at November 16, 2015 02:16 PM (KpIPy)

389 Reading this thread I'm again reminded how unable Rubio's backers are to disguise their contempt for the voters whose trust he lost. Very hard to get past that.

Posted by: Y-not at November 16, 2015 02:18 PM (t5zYU)

390
Parisians burning Korans:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4f2_1447684070

Posted by: Bruce With a Gangster Wang! at November 16, 2015 02:20 PM (iQIUe)

391 #384: "Sorry ace, you can't raise sympathy for Cruz by claiming Pubio is unfairly attacking him. That's like raising sympathy for Yeb by complaining the media is unfairly attacked him."

No, that's not the analogy since the media is always unfairly attacking Republicans (although they don't really attack Bush that much so the analogy fails on multiple fronts).

Rubio's claim is worse because he is saying that he and Cruz have similar positions when that is demonstrably false. People can say that Cruz was or was not playing 11th dimensional chess on the H1B visa issue but that issue is a shiny object for people who think that it is the same thing as amnesty, which intelligent followers of politics know is completely dishonest.

You can have your position on the H1B visa issue and actually, whether Cruz was for it or against it is immaterial since AMNESTY is the issue in play here, not legal immigration (which is what the visa program is).

We are always complaining on our side that the media/liberals conflate legal immigration with illegal immigration as a way to accuse us of being anti-immigrant. And then here we see some posters conflating the H1B visa issue with the Gang of Eight amnesty plan.

These things are not the same by a far piece.

Posted by: beeblebrox has 2 heads at November 16, 2015 02:20 PM (wPIZb)

392 GOP steps up threats to halt Syrian refugees- http://politi.co/1PwlUqa
"Lawmakers say they may try to attach restrictions to a must-pass spending bill, raising the specter of a shutdown battle."

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 02:22 PM (YjDyJ)

393 #388 "Trump also appeals to moderates and some dems, something no other candidate can claim, certainly nor establishment candidate, to be sure.

Trump is a masterful marketer. He saw that there was a niche for the candidate who could take up the banner on the single most important issue to most conservatives right now - illegal immigration, and still appeal to moderates and some democrats by taking up anti-conservative policies like tariffs as his own as well.

And then there are those who just want an outsider, issues be damned. Cruz, while an outsider inside the enemy camp, maybe is still too much of a politician for some Trump supporters even though we'll probably find out that a President Trump is the consummate politician after all.

Cruz/Trump/Carson/Jindal 2016

Posted by: beeblebrox has 2 heads at November 16, 2015 02:26 PM (wPIZb)

394
"We live in sewage and rubble! We're slaves! I have a donkey instead of a car! My wife has no clitoris! WE WIN!"

===========

LOL

Posted by: Bruce With a Gangster Wang! at November 16, 2015 02:31 PM (iQIUe)

395 So, coal is a national resource.

Oil is a national resource.

Timber, dam-able rivers, good cropland... these are all national resources.

So are entry level jobs. Entry level jobs train up youngsters, and entry level jobs are the best some of our citizens can manage to do.

Our government is wasting the scarce national resource of entry-level jobs by allowing - even encouraging - them to be taken by non-citizens.

Our government should stop doing that.

Posted by: revolting peasant at November 16, 2015 02:32 PM (txAno)

396 392 GOP steps up threats to halt Syrian refugees- http://politi.co/1PwlUqa
"Lawmakers say they may try to attach restrictions to a must-pass spending bill, raising the specter of a shutdown battle."
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 02:22 PM (YjDyJ)


And we all know how much the GOPe wants to avoid a shutdown at all costs.

Sounds like another episode of Failure Theater.

Posted by: rickl at November 16, 2015 02:33 PM (zoehZ)

397 @81

"Rubio is going to be condemned for changing his position, then Cruz deserves the same.


Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 01:09 PM (YjDyJ)"
Rubio hasn't changed his position.

Except for that time when he was running for the senate where he said he opposed amnesty. He did change that position.

Only, he never held that position in the first place; his position has always been support and amnesty for illegals. He was lying to get elected.

Posted by: revolting peasant at November 16, 2015 02:37 PM (ohOgf)

398 With the press the way it is and the president totally inflexible and hateful toward his political opponents, there will always be a shut down unless they do exactly as he wants, and the GOP will always be blamed, resulting in them caving every time.

Never mind that past shut downs didn't cause any political harm in the slightest. They're terrified of it and have already sworn they will never, ever make it happen.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 16, 2015 02:40 PM (39g3+)

399 It looks like all the "refugees" (who are surprisingly lacking in women and children) will end up in California, Oregon and Washington.
Fitting.

Posted by: LASue at November 16, 2015 02:47 PM (5Rb/A)

400 Miss80sBaby, you keep trying but no one is buying what you're selling.

Would be nice if you'd explore the "why" beyond "everyone else is blind."

Hint: You're reading it one way, we've all read the same thing and yet, we don't have the same view as you. Why?

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 16, 2015 02:51 PM (fQ/0p)

401 Neither of these two diaper dandy Fab Frosh are even close to ready to handle the Presidency as it will exist in Jan 2017.

Posted by: One Who Waits at November 16, 2015 02:54 PM (uKJIC)

402 Trump will do Amnesty, too. Remember he's changed positions, too.

My plan would be:

wall/exit visa control/everify
amnesty - green card only, not citizenship, and paying back taxes - no tax credits possible.
No more H1B1 visas at all.
Reform immigration to be points based Canadian system

I would also copy the Canadian Super Visa idea. A great way to understand that immigrants do have family members but not grant them citizenship.

Posted by: Harun at November 16, 2015 02:55 PM (UBBWX)

403 Of course, Trump won't win against Hillary, so we'll never know what Trump would have done, but we will still have the Trumpkins shouting about him.

Posted by: Harun at November 16, 2015 02:58 PM (UBBWX)

404 Twenty bucks in my pocket says when a US city (one the blue-state pricks care about) is hit, it will be blamed on Bush and the GOP.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 16, 2015 02:14 PM (X6fMO)




Sucker bet.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 16, 2015 03:04 PM (oKE6c)

405 My favorite part was when Cruz explained what he'd do with the 12 million illegals already here. Oh, wait, he's repeatedly refused to explain what he'd do about that--to the point where his otherwise detailed immigration plan makes no mention of it whatsoever. Well, you can always trust a politician who won't tell you something until he no longer needs your vote, right? Right? Right? Bueller?

Posted by: tops116 at November 16, 2015 03:16 PM (Wn+fE)

406 Only, he never held that position in the first
place; his position has always been support and amnesty for illegals.
He was lying to get elected.


Posted by: revolting peasant at November 16, 2015 02:37 PM (ohOgf)
+++++++++++++++++

I expect politicians to fudge and hedge and soft peddle positions to avoid losing some votes.

This one checked to see which way the strong winds blew in an election outright fuckin lied.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 16, 2015 03:25 PM (T78UI)

407 400 Posted by: RoyalOil at November 16, 2015 02:51 PM (fQ/0p)

All I have done is provided evidence as to why I believe my junior senator (Cruz) believes/believed in legalizing illegal immigrants. Contrary to your statement, I am hardly the only one who feels that way. Moreover, I readily acknowledged that whether or not one believes Rubio is currently being sincere is a matter of opinion/trust linked to where one ranks immigration as an issue in the 2016 election.

As for my comments regarding House Republicans, one of the promises Ryan made to the House Freedom Caucus is that he would return power to the committees. I also made a number of references to process. The idea that say, the House Budget Committee oversees budgetary issues is a matter of fact, not opinion. Same generally goes for the procedure in passing bills. With regards to taking offense, the only people I have an issue with as far as this post is concerned are McCarthy and Cruz. If I was one of those people who only spoke with those whom I agreed, I would have left a long time ago.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 16, 2015 03:38 PM (YjDyJ)

408 Oh, Ace. Remember all those tongue-bathings you gave Rubio once upon a time? (And I am not sure that's not literal...you went through a really creepy phase right then.) And this is how it ends. Sad.

Do me a favor -- sometime next year, could you publish a full list of all the candidates you like for the 2016 elections? I just want to know who you'll be hating five years from now. Staying ahead of the curve, and all that

Posted by: Demosthenes at November 16, 2015 05:07 PM (9V0rz)

409 Cruz.

Posted by: dogfish at November 16, 2015 05:20 PM (0O2Lr)

410 We busted Allah on Friday over his tactics to paint Cruz as the same as Rubio. Poor Allah has really lost his edge.

Posted by: DanMan at November 16, 2015 05:56 PM (RusNE)

411 So someone tell me how Cruz is different from Rubio in his handling of the illegal immigrants who are already here?

His big, bad ol' immigration plan doesn't say a thing about those millions, yet I'm supposed to think he's the hardliner on immigration?

Yeah, go sell that crap to someone else, Ace.

Posted by: JoeC at November 16, 2015 09:54 PM (PFVrA)

412 I love how the Ace haters wait until a thread is dead and passed by to sneak in and throw a rock then run away. Cute.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 17, 2015 12:46 AM (39g3+)

413 @ 412: If you were talking about me, I haven't run away from anything. And I get to the threads when I get to the threads; I'm not on this site 24/7. If you guys haveindulged your short attention spans and moved wholly on to another thread in the meantime, well, I'm still gonna comment. Sorry not sorry.

Posted by: Demosthenes at November 17, 2015 11:30 AM (9V0rz)

414 And if you're talkin' 'bout me, Christopher, yeah, what Demosthenes said!

Posted by: JoeC at November 17, 2015 06:37 PM (PFVrA)

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