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Overnight Open Thread (11-2-2015)
Unfortunately, Putin, like other modern autocrats, had, and still has, an advantage the Soviet leadership could never have dreamed of: deep economic and political engagement with the free world. Decades of trade have created tremendous wealth that dictatorships like Russia and China have used to build sophisticated authoritarian infrastructures inside the country and to apply pressure in foreign policy. The naive idea was that the free world would use economic and social ties to gradually liberalize authoritarian states. in practice, the authoritarian states have abused this access and economic interdependency to spread their corruption and fuel repression at home.
-- Gary Kasparov in Winter Is Coming: Why Vladimir Putin and the Enemies of the Free World Must be Stopped
Citizens of all the tiny countries that lie between the Middle East and Germany were witnessing a migration far too big for Germany to handle. They knew Germany would eventually realize this, too. Once Germany lost its nerve, the huge human chain of testosterone and poverty would be stuck where it was. And if your country was smaller than Germany -- Austria, for instance, is a tenth Germany's size -- you could wind up in a situation where the majority of fighting-age men in your country were foreigners with a grievance.
-- Christopher Caldwell in What Merkel Wrought
We can now add Halloween parties to the list of things we can't do because we live in a diverse society...Far from being a bonus, diversity looms as a pagan god that demands the constant sacrifice of everything we hold dear. In exchange for a few benefits-exotic restaurants, I guess? - it compels society give up its traditions, its sacred rights, and even its basic decency. The terms of the Faustian bargain are never spoken aloud of course because no one would ever accept it if they were. Diversity's salesmen will tell us that there is much to gain and nothing to lose though experience should tell us that they're lying. It first demands that we give up the small stuff, things that seem insignificant when considered in isolation, such as silly high school musicals. What's the big deal if we ditch West Side Story for the sake of racial harmony? But it doesn't stop there because diversity's hunger is never sated. A precedent has been set and will inevitably be followed from there on out.
-- Benny Huang
He was a shrewd and insightful man, but also very stylish and cool. I didn't know him well, except for a few tipples after hours on various sailings of the National Review cruise. But, after the 2010 midterms, he and Howard Dean and I took part in a big event in Calgary discussing the US election results for a Canadian audience. A very crumpled Dean and I arrived first and were chit-chatting on the sidewalk about this and that when a car pulled up and Fred Thompson got out wearing the best cut suit I've ever seen on a political panelist - an immaculately tailored chalk-white pinstripe; he looked sharp, like he was about to whack Sean Connery in The Untouchables. It was all the more amazing given that his speakers' agency had flown him some hellish multi-stop route from Nashville to Tennessee - via Presque-Isle and Yellowknife, or some such. What followed was a fun discussion. You can view the first part of the evening here, and then click through to the rest.
-- Mark Steyn on Fred Thompson
First off, let's dispense with the childish notion that Alderaan was, as rebel spy and intergalactic insurrectionist Princess Leia has argued, a purely civilian target. There is literally no reason to believe her claim that "Alderaan is peaceful, we have no weapons." She had previously lied about not only the diplomatic nature of the mission she was on when she was captured but also about the location of the stolen Death Star plans. It's also worth noting that she would go on to lie about the location of a military target for the Death Star to target moments before Alderaan was destroyed.We have further reason to disbelieve Princess Liar when we consider that her adopted father, Bail Organa, was one of the original members of the rebellion, conferring with Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda in an effort to undermine the democratically elected Chancellor Palpatine shortly after his ascension. Alderaan was less likely a peaceful planet than a financial and intellectual hub of the rebellion, whose leaders, as we've seen, are totally untrustworthy negotiating partners - a hive of scum and villainy no less wretched than Mos Eisley, but on a planetary scale.
-- Sonny Bunch explaining how the destruction of Alderaan is defensible under Just War theory
German Village of 102 to Get 750 Refugees
SUMTE, Germany - This bucolic, one-street settlement of handsome redbrick farmhouses may for the moment have many more cows than people, but next week it will become one of the fastest growing places in Europe. Not that anyone in Sumte is very excited about it.In early October, the district government informed Sumte's mayor, Christian Fabel, by email that his village of 102 people just over the border in what was once Communist East Germany would take in 1,000 asylum seekers.
His wife, the mayor said, assured him it must be a hoax. "It certainly can't be true" that such a small, isolated place would be asked to accommodate nearly 10 times as many migrants as it had residents, she told him. "She thought it was a joke," he said.
The only person happy about the situation is the lone neo-Nazi on the city council who's convinced that it will finally bring the villagers around to his point of view.
And Rick Moran points out that Merkel's careless generosity will likely end German tolerance:
It's amazing that Merkel never imagined that when you throw open the doors to your country, people beyond counting will want to come in. Nothing has been prepared for the crush of humanity that took Merkel up on her generosity. There is no shelter, no allowance for schooling for children, no plan to employ those who can work. Her ultimate goal - to change the demographic decline of her country so that more workers can support the rapidly growing number of retirees - could not justify the chaos and massive dislocations her refugee policy has wrought.Meanwhile, the good people of Sumte - no doubt tolerant and broadminded - are about to be buried in an onslaught of Muslims who will be a supermajority in the tiny town. What are the chances of German law, German traditions, and German life being maintained in the face of people who want to change all that to suit their own preferences?
Before too long, I suspect the residents of Sumte won't be so tolerant and broadminded.
Oh And It Turns Out that the Refugees Aren't Really Refugees
A largely Muslim charity recently reviewed the work its people had been doing to relieve the misery and squalor on the Sangatte refugee camp in Calais. A worker with the Human Relief Foundation visited the notorious 'Jungle' encampment and concluded, with some alarm, that 97 per cent were economic migrants rather than refugees. Further, they were almost exclusively fit young men who were not fleeing danger at all and were not in the least desperate.
An executive added: 'I thought they had a valid reason [to be there]. They do not have a valid reason.' The charity immediately curtailed its relief efforts. But present these facts to those who simply scream 'Let them in!' and 'We must do more!' and it makes not the slightest difference to their point of view; it washes over them without leaving so much as a trace.
And Mark Steyn Explains Why All The Refugees Are '17'
Fences Are Going Up All Over Europe
Austria, a strong critic of fences built to cope with Europe's migrant influx, on Wednesday announced it is joining other nations that have either already erected border barriers or are planning to do so. Austrian Interior Minister Johanna Mikl-Leitner insisted the move was aimed solely at bringing order to the unrelenting influx of people entering the country, telling parliament there were no plans "to build a fence around Austria."Still the project is a major shift for the country, which has preached the sanctity of unimpeded internal EU borders since the migrant crisis intensified earlier this year, and Mikl-Leitner herself used the world "fence" in earlier comments announcing construction plans at the border.
...Slovenia, the main entry point into Austria, also said it was ready to build a fence, while Hungary has been championing the success of its razor-wire border fences with Serbia and Croatia and plans another one with Romania. Greece already erected a barbed wire fence three years ago on a section of its border with Turkey not separated by a river. Bulgaria also has fenced off parts of its boundary to Turkey, while some Baltic states plan to erect fences on border segments with Russia.
But all of these existing or planned fences are either on outer EU borders or between two EU countries where one is not yet part of the Schengen Agreement meant to ensure the free movement of persons. The Austria-Slovenia border is part of the agreement, however, and any barriers erected on it would be closely watched for possible violations.
Camp of the Saints watch: And here is a photo of the human river of migrants snaking its way through Slovenia towards Austria.
The Map That Shows How Large Europe's Refugee Crisis Really Is
Follow the link to see the animated version.
The Anonymous Twitter Account: There Are 4 GOP Senators Who Are Members of the KKK
But even Anonymous is disavowing this accusation. And Alex Griswold of Mediaite points out how flimsy the evidence for these accusations are: if a senator's email address appeared in any database hacked from a KKK site, it could only mean that they must in fact be members somehow.
This is exactly the sort of situation to pull out Occam's Razor. Which of these two possibilities really seems more likely:
- Four separate individuals managed to conceal their membership in a white supremacist organization for decades from watchdog groups and the government alike, surviving dozens of primary and general elections alike without even a whiff of their extremely radical views ever being raised by anyone. Every one of these individuals lead extremely productive lives, attend elite universities, and two even become a U.S. Attorney and an ambassador to a major U.S. ally. But in an extremely sloppy move, they all sign up for KKK websites using emails that can easily be traced back to them.
- Some kid on the Internet lied.
Given a time machine would you go back and kill baby Hitler? Well that's been what all the internet people have musing on in the last week.
If you time-traveled, killed baby Hitler, then returned, you'd be reviled for using the best invention ever to kill an unknown Austrian baby
- brad plumer (@bradplumer) October 23, 2015
Why don't they ever ask if you'd *kidnap* Baby Hitler? You've got a time machine. You could drop him off with a caveman family or something.
- Jesse Walker (@notjessewalker) October 23, 2015
Definitive proof that you cannot kill Baby Hitler without creating time travel-destroying paradox. https://t.co/Smxavqo4mC
- Ben Domenech (@bdomenech) October 23, 2015
But as Instapundit points out there's a huge gender gap when it comes to Baby Hitler with men far more willing to go back in time and kill baby Hitler:
"Women were more likely to fall into the deontology camp and agonize for a long time over a decision, while men were somewhat more likely to lean toward utilitarianism and make a quick decision, the researchers found. That leads to a gender difference in making a moral decision, they say, with a stronger emotional aversion to harmful action being seen among women."
You know, I felt better about the 19th Amendment before I knew that women, given a choice, would let Hitler live.
'NPR Voice' Has Taken Over the Airwaves
Ugh. I hate NPR voice. It's the main reason I can't listen to even non-political NPR programs. And while its roots according to the article may have come from lack of professional training, today it's just as affected and artificial as what it was a reaction to. Whenever I hear it, this is what I see in my head:
Why You're Going to Be Seeing a Lot of Horror Movies Out of Hollywood
Short answer: They're very profitable.
There were 28 horror movies out of the 202 we analyzed from the past 15 years that made back more than 10 times their budget. There were only six romantic comedies out of 180 and only four action movies that pulled off the same return on investment.Why is this?
Namely, horror movies are relatively cheap to make - the genre doesn't demand that a big-name star get hacked to pieces and will accept any replacement-level ingenue as a lead - and they have the opportunity to explode in popularity. The ur-example of this is "The Blair Witch Project" (1999), which pretty much kicked off the contemporary era of make-it-cheap-and-hope-for-the-best horror movies. It was followed a decade later by the first "Paranormal Activity" (2009), which to this day is one of the single most successful films ever based on return on investment.
10 Famous People Who Vanished Without a Trace
The Yahoo AoSHQ group - it's got electrolytes and shit.
And my twitter thang.
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Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 02, 2015 11:24 PM (3XSkD)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 02, 2015 11:24 PM (QvClr)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 02, 2015 11:24 PM (3XSkD)
Posted by: mindful webworker - no, really? at November 02, 2015 11:25 PM (dLr9j)
Posted by: mindful webworker - not at November 02, 2015 11:25 PM (dLr9j)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 02, 2015 11:27 PM (NaeCR)
Posted by: Sixkiller at November 02, 2015 11:27 PM (bfpzm)
In talking about Russia, we're talking about Washington, too.
Posted by: t-bird at November 02, 2015 11:27 PM (OLNwX)
Posted by: cthulhu at November 02, 2015 11:27 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Sixkiller at November 02, 2015 11:27 PM (bfpzm)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 02, 2015 11:29 PM (NaeCR)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 02, 2015 11:29 PM (eMymG)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 02, 2015 11:29 PM (QvClr)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 02, 2015 11:30 PM (eMymG)
Posted by: Lauren at November 02, 2015 11:31 PM (GZ6Pf)
Not sure if that's a joke or not, but it sure as hell would make me start taking Nazism more seriously, if I lived there.
Posted by: rickl at November 02, 2015 11:31 PM (sdi6R)
Our greatest enemy is the US government.
Posted by: Blano at November 02, 2015 11:31 PM (C3E0x)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 02, 2015 11:31 PM (eMymG)
I look forward to my prime earning years being smothered by carbon taxes and windmill subsidies.
Some semblance of economic freedom had a nice sixty years or so, I hear.
Posted by: who could want more than 0.1% GDP growth anyway, you greedy greedies at November 02, 2015 11:32 PM (8bZvl)
A principal, at a San Francisco middle school, suspended the results of the student body election because the winner's "weren't diverse enough." There was no claim of cheating or of the election itself being questionable. Yet the democratic results were considered illegitimate because the majority of the winners were White, though Whites are only about 20% of the student body.
More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=10249
Posted by: The Political Hat at November 02, 2015 11:33 PM (vBeA5)
Posted by: Sheriff Bart at November 02, 2015 11:33 PM (RU5ki)
I'm okay with "amnesty" for people who've been here long term, in good faith, without criminal activity, in productive jobs.
But only after.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2015 11:17 PM (39g3+)
No fucking way. All you do is give millions more the chance to come here and break the law for a while before they get amnestied.
Let me repeat: YOU CANNOT BE HERE ILLEGALLY AND NOT ENGAGE IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY!!!!! EVERY DAY YOU ARE HERE YOU ARE A CRIMINAL!!!!
Yet you want to eventually reward that criminal behavior. Fuck that shit.
Posted by: Blano at November 02, 2015 11:26 PM (C3E0x)
Posted by: Blano at November 02, 2015 11:34 PM (C3E0x)
I would, however, consider giving weapons plans to the right people in order to make WWII end a lot sooner.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at November 02, 2015 11:35 PM (fC9RO)
Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at November 02, 2015 11:35 PM (RU5ki)
Good thing I don't have to worry about affording lamps anymore... BECAUSE I'M FUCKING DEAD BECAUSE THAT FUCKING BITCH WOULDN'T LISTEN TO MY EMAILS!!!
Posted by: zombie Amb. Stevens at November 02, 2015 11:35 PM (REdlt)
Good evening, Horde. Hope your week started off better than mine!
And, the Anonymous KKK leak? Ha! They named my city's mayor as a klansman in that - funny stuff.
Posted by: NAMBLA at November 02, 2015 11:36 PM (/QyKy)
...
The only person happy about the situation is the lone neo-Nazi on the city council who's convinced that it will finally bring the villagers around to his point of view.
Or rather, the only person the NYTimes deemed narrative-friendly to interview was the 'lone neo-Nazi.'
The NYTimes found their black hat and used him as the foil for the coming destruction of Europe.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2015 11:36 PM (xrX4n)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 02, 2015 11:36 PM (eMymG)
Thanks idiot Merkl. I thought she was supposed to be the smart one over there.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 02, 2015 11:37 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at November 02, 2015 11:38 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: Planned Parenthood at November 02, 2015 11:38 PM (RU5ki)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 02, 2015 11:38 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: Sheriff Bart"
Ugh.
Same place and last night and night before and night before that.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 02, 2015 11:38 PM (eMymG)
this access and economic interdependency to spread their corruption and
fuel repression at home.
In talking about Russia, we're talking about Washington, too.
Posted by: t-bird
And really, isn't this also the story of Barack Obama?
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at November 02, 2015 11:39 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: Chi at November 02, 2015 11:39 PM (/QyKy)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 02, 2015 11:39 PM (2zd9l)
Posted by: Maetenloch at November 02, 2015 11:40 PM (pAlYe)
Why won't the left just give us the whole list of words and activities to be banned?
This incrementalism is killing me.
Posted by: RKae at November 02, 2015 11:41 PM (gxhW0)
without the barrier, any attempts to self deport will fail because they will just return.
Plus by giving in on the amnesty but demanding the wall maybe gets us the wall. Then we'll work from there.
That said, if anyone can manage to corral and deport the millions already here, I'll sign up to volunteer to help.
No. Problemo.
I'm just trying to be realistic here. And BTW, I won't accept promises of building a wall. The wall must actually be built before any amnesty and the Border patrol put back doing what they're supposed to do which is keep out trespassers.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 02, 2015 11:42 PM (Xo1Rt)
This is so insane.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 02, 2015 11:42 PM (2x3L+)
The brilliant Merkel, it must be pointed out, freaked out over the possibility of tsunamis hitting landlocked German nuclear reactors, so, no, the voluntarily-hard-left fuckhead was obviously never very bright.
Posted by: Energiewende ... you change your energy state when you die at November 02, 2015 11:43 PM (8bZvl)
Posted by: All Teh Meh at November 02, 2015 11:43 PM (5LHtI)
I want my...
I want my
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Posted by: The Overnigth Hat at November 02, 2015 11:21 PM (vBeA5)
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Reading between the lines, you want to be a woman. This is a cry for help.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 02, 2015 11:43 PM (uw9Al)
See, that's just it. A good, hard lead pipe to the knee of Hitler in the streets of Vienna in the '20's might also have avoided this whole thing.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 02, 2015 11:43 PM (eMymG)
Posted by: Blano at November 02, 2015 11:43 PM (C3E0x)
Posted by: Maetenloch
Why not just deliever him to an orphanage?
Why is 'kill' the only and promoted option?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2015 11:44 PM (xrX4n)
I'm not sure that D.B. Cooper was in fact, killed in the fall.
If memory serves, it was more around late spring.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 02, 2015 11:45 PM (McRlu)
Posted by: Blano at November 02, 2015 11:45 PM (C3E0x)
Time Traveler's Conundrum
We had the best of intentions.
http://bit.ly/rewrite-time
Thanks for another great ONT, Maet.
Good night, Gracies!
Posted by: mindful webworker - for some reason at November 02, 2015 11:45 PM (dLr9j)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 02, 2015 11:46 PM (09Lhy)
Posted by: Maetenloch
Somewhere in all this is a rant about the American way, fraternities and not taking this all sitting down.
But really, it isn't going to happen. There would be too many historical paradoxes to overcome if you COULD go back in time and off the little Austrian rug rat. And there still would have been the Nazi movement rising in the 1920's, and somebody just as evil and psychopathic that came to power.
What was his buddy's name in the Brownshirts? Ernest Rohm?
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at November 02, 2015 11:47 PM (+1T7c)
Why is 'kill' the only and promoted option?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2015 11:44 PM (xrX4n)
Well it depends on how robust Hitler's path in the timeline is. Killing him is one way to be absolutely sure that it will not be realized.
Posted by: Maetenloch at November 02, 2015 11:48 PM (pAlYe)
Why is 'kill' the only and promoted option?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2015 11:44 PM (xrX4n)
Or..we send him somewhere where he can do harm, and no harm can come to him.
There *are* worse alternatives.
Posted by: G-Man at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (wZ2hu)
I'd let the little f#cker live unless you could run through multiple time-line scenarios to show it wouldn't end up worse.
I vaguely recall a Star Trek: Voyager where dad Red from That 70s Show was a senior bureaucrat of a time-mastering race who were constantly changing history on a galactic scale because they wanted to achieve some specific goal but it never worked out because it always changed something else and for them getting (say) 97.948% of the goal achieved wasn't good enough.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (HbSdt)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (RU5ki)
If he tries to parlay his successful artistry into a political career, then he gets run over in a mysterious stainless-steel-gullwing-door-car accident.
Posted by: it's all very clear at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (8bZvl)
My NaNoWriMo project is picking up an old book I was writing called The Department of Time Tourism.
Time travel and bureaucracy. Yay.
Posted by: Lauren at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (bYGAR)
Assuming a fixed timeline where it was inevitable that baby Hitler would become the
Adolf Hitler that we know from from WWII, then yes I would kill baby
Hitler. I wouldn't enjoy it but it would be a necessary and morally
justifiable act.
Posted by: Maetenloch at November 02, 2015 11:40 PM (pAlYe)
Why is this kind of thing never about Stalin or Mao?
Posted by: cm9000 at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (2TUVm)
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at November 02, 2015 11:47 PM (+1T7c)
It would be fabulous!
Posted by: Ernst Röhm at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (vBeA5)
What a hot mess of a game.
Gruden will momentarily be rolling out a plethora of football cliches.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at November 02, 2015 11:50 PM (+1T7c)
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Ohm My Goodness.
I hope Muldoon isnt around - otherwise, we're going to be subjected to electricity puns for the next hour...
Posted by: Chi at November 02, 2015 11:50 PM (/QyKy)
So he landed safe and free.....and never spent any of his caper?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 02, 2015 11:50 PM (eMymG)
Posted by: cm9000 at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (2TUVm)
Hey start your own damn hashtag campaign instead of complaining about the one we have to play with.
Posted by: Maetenloch at November 02, 2015 11:50 PM (pAlYe)
This is so insane.
Posted by: L, Elle
Insane, yes. But Germany is committing suicide as a matter of faith. The only fanatical narrative they are capable of is pathological pacifism. They are psychologically incapable of defending their sovereignty.
It will be a long, slow slide, but Germany and many other EU states are done.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2015 11:50 PM (xrX4n)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (RU5ki)
*smiles*
Posted by: Kinderheim 551 at November 02, 2015 11:51 PM (vBeA5)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 02, 2015 11:51 PM (YJmuy)
Aaah. The Harding Gambit.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 02, 2015 11:51 PM (HbSdt)
A crushing realization. They had dedicated themselves to a futile cause. They had wasted their lives on flawed ideology. Marx, Engels and Lenin had been wrong. Dialectical materialism was a dead end. The Western capitalist assholes would win after all.
So they created Angela Merkel as a long-term slow-motion political _Vergeltungswaffen_ to eventually destroy the reunified German state, by submerging it into the Third World.
"The Westerners think they have achieved victory over us? We will turn it to ashes in their mouths."
Posted by: torquewrench at November 02, 2015 11:51 PM (noWW6)
No Brownshirts there, but rumor has it they've several fabulous shades of fuscia.
And after all, wasn't Hitler a Fuscist?
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 02, 2015 11:51 PM (McRlu)
Because they're making it up as they go along.
Posted by: Lauren at November 02, 2015 11:51 PM (bYGAR)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 02, 2015 11:52 PM (UiGnh)
Posted by: Maetenloch at November 02, 2015 11:48 PM (pAlYe)
Destiny struggles to reassert the pattern that is meant to be.
Posted by: From the Dean Koontz "Lightning" at November 02, 2015 11:52 PM (wZ2hu)
-- Gary Kasparov in Winter Is Coming: Why Vladimir Putin and the Enemies of the Free World Must be Stopped
They haven't abused anything. They used the access and free cash as anyone with a brain would have expected. Enriching totalitarian societies has never been known to weaken the rulers.
The idea was that opening up the flow of information would have led the people to revolt but look at what this nation has done to itself with "fee and open" information. We can't even impeach a treasonous and retarded third world criminal because of the "free and open information" that would cast all the decent and civilized people as "raaacists!!!". SO, instead, we have allowed this nation to be killed and a Sukarno-clone, 84 IQ dictator to do any damn thing he wants - and destroy us is exactly what he wants (and has been clear from the start).
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2015 11:52 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 02, 2015 11:52 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2015 11:53 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: profligatewaste at November 02, 2015 11:53 PM (+gatN)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 02, 2015 11:53 PM (2x3L+)
"The Big Time", by Fritz Lieber
Yeah, it never works out the way you think it will. A couple of alien races were always trying to manipulate human history for their advantage, and had teams of humans from both sides of WWII, that they kept sending back to fix things the way they liked.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at November 02, 2015 11:53 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: buzzion at November 02, 2015 11:54 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 02, 2015 11:54 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: Maetenloch
yes, but we always acknowledge that our given position in time is not omnipotent, yes.
If you somehow found yourself transported back to 18twicketythree, and found the Hilter/Schicklgruber household, you would have no divine insight into how fixed or fluid the future would be at that point.
You wouldn't know because you can't know now or then.
So why not just deliver him out of a chaotic household upbringing and to an orphanage?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2015 11:54 PM (xrX4n)
Posted by: north and judd at November 02, 2015 11:55 PM (f3K9g)
Posted by: Dr. Janosz Poha at November 02, 2015 11:55 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: the real ch3 at November 02, 2015 11:55 PM (3Scwj)
http://www.tor.com/2011/08/31/wikihistory/
Spoiler. It doesn't work out.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 02, 2015 11:55 PM (HbSdt)
Posted by: surely something better than Titanic would've won an Oscar at November 02, 2015 11:55 PM (8bZvl)
Time travel and bureaucracy. Yay.
Posted by: Lauren at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (bYGAR)<<<
Well, that'll make waiting forever online for your time travel license acceptable, because you can just time travel back to when you started.
Brilliant.
Posted by: Department of Temporal Vehicles at November 02, 2015 11:55 PM (REdlt)
Life just got super interesting for them.
Maybe even terminal.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 02, 2015 11:56 PM (Xo1Rt)
Without a pause. But that wouldn't change anything. It was Germany and German society that committed the Holocaust, not Hitler on his own. It was going to happen, no matter what.
What would have stopped it, though, would have been France and Britain enforcing the surrender obligations from WWI. But that was too much of a hassle ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2015 11:56 PM (zc3Db)
It's 2050 and you're late on your taxes. Pay up.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 02, 2015 11:57 PM (eMymG)
My target of choice? Not one of the big marquee names.
Gavrilo Princip.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 02, 2015 11:57 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: L, Elle
Or... just beat him. For the folks, of course.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at November 02, 2015 11:58 PM (+1T7c)
Even though he was.
And isn't it interesting that the very first thing responsible nations began to do was . . . build a wall (or barbed wire fence).
note the charity finding out that the "refugees" were actually economic opportunists. And they're all young males. A sure recipe for trouble.
Plus even better is that they've "lost" thousands. They've slipped away and they don't know where they went.
I wonder what they're up to?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 02, 2015 11:59 PM (Xo1Rt)
If you somehow found yourself transported back to 18twicketythree, and found the Hilter/Schicklgruber household, you would have no divine insight into how fixed or fluid the future would be at that point.
You wouldn't know because you can't know now or then.
So why not just deliver him out of a chaotic household upbringing and to an orphanage?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2015 11:54 PM (xrX4n)
It's all fucking hypothetical so don't tell me what I know or don't know. *I* get to choose the parameters of my mental exercise. You have no power there.
And what if I did know with metaphysical certainty what the outcome of A. Hitler's life would be if left unchanged? What then? Could you really be sure that an orphanage would be enough to alter the course?
Posted by: Maetenloch at November 02, 2015 11:59 PM (pAlYe)
Un-fucking believable.
Posted by: Magic Johnson at November 02, 2015 11:59 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at November 03, 2015 12:00 AM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 03, 2015 12:00 AM (RU5ki)
I really don't know that the means other than an alternative take upon historical events. If I could knocked Hitler the fuck out on the streets of Vienna with anyting I could find handy in 1923........yeah, I would have.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 03, 2015 12:00 AM (eMymG)
My target of choice? Not one of the big marquee names.
Gavrilo Princip.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 02, 2015 11:57 PM (noWW6)
Why not go back to Hegel? His dialectical idiocy spawned both communism and fascism.
Posted by: The Unilectical Hat at November 03, 2015 12:00 AM (vBeA5)
https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/661232245177507845
https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/661232449821741056
https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/661232619946909696
https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/661232892052418560
https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/661233039972966400
https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/661233249243541504
Posted by: kbdabear at November 03, 2015 12:00 AM (GrXXa)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (ZZgPW)
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (OlaOu)
Her prolonged mourning for her dead husband upset and unnerved England to the point that they screwed up their Empire.
Thus inviting the arms race with Germany in the lead.
The murder of the Austrian Prince was just an incidental. Other causes would've been found or used.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (Xo1Rt)
Right on! Then we wouldn't have to put up with Hector. Princip was Hector's great-great-great Servian grandfather wasn't he?
Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (HbSdt)
So if you kill Hitler, the result would be more horror than actually happened.
Then there was a novel I think, about preventing the assassination of JFK. The future turned out far worse.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (dvuhZ)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2015 11:50 PM
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Maybe it's all some version of white guilt like we have here over slavery except it's Nazi guilt for them. They seem hell bent on proving to the world they aren't Nazis anymore and the supposed Syrians are their vehicle for redeeming themselves by laying down? Like the Japanese after their surrender?
I have no idea. None of this makes any sense.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Octiparan at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (g5IwS)
Posted by: The Killin' Hat at November 03, 2015 12:02 AM (vBeA5)
Posted by: Magic Johnson
You should be thanking me. You get to keep your job. For now.
You're welcome.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Soetoro Obama Smith at November 03, 2015 12:02 AM (+1T7c)
I'd let the little f#cker live unless you could run through multiple time-line scenarios to show it wouldn't end up worse.
I vaguely recall a Star Trek: Voyager where dad Red from That 70s Show was a senior bureaucrat of a time-mastering race who were constantly changing history on a galactic scale because they wanted to achieve some specific goal but it never worked out because it always changed something else and for them getting (say) 97.948% of the goal achieved wasn't good enough.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (HbSdt)
The thing was that he wanted his wife back. That was his obsession. He created the, I guess you would call it a "Chrono-Eraser" to benefit his people but when he did that it destroyed the planet his wife was on, so he kept trying to fix that no matter how beneficial he made things for his species.
Posted by: buzzion at November 03, 2015 12:02 AM (zt+N6)
My target of choice? Not one of the big marquee names.
Gavrilo Princip.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 02, 2015 11:57 PM (noWW6)
Europe was on the path to WWI for at least a decade in the run up to Sarajevo. Princip was just the dumb sap that threw the switch. Even without him the war would have broken out eventually
Posted by: the real ch3 at November 03, 2015 12:02 AM (3Scwj)
Posted by: Maetenloch
How?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 12:02 AM (xrX4n)
More coming. Italy. That's the matzo ball. Then it really get's shitty.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 03, 2015 12:02 AM (eMymG)
Posted by: the real ch3 at November 03, 2015 12:02 AM (3Scwj)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:03 AM (Xo1Rt)
Surprised everyone is obsessed with Baby Hitler. The question that IMHO is *really* relevant to our group is...
if you had the opportunity, would you kill Baby Hillary?
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:03 AM (ntObR)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonya_Harding#January_1994_incident
Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:04 AM (HbSdt)
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 12:04 AM (EzgxV)
Might be a better ploy to get some more weapons into Warsaw (and other locals much earlier) to effect a more effective insurrection... maybe other ways to redirect resources from the fronts.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 03, 2015 12:05 AM (NaeCR)
That stuff about Ovaltine is a bit weird, I'll admit, but otherwise he's been a useful ambassador to the Other Place.
Posted by: let's not be hasty now at November 03, 2015 12:05 AM (8bZvl)
Posted by: Maetenloch
How?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 12:02 AM (xrX4n)
And how do *you* know that we can't?
You sure do seem awfully sure about this whole time travel business - you got a machine and holding out on us? Cause you seem like the type who would bogart the time mobile....
Posted by: Maetenloch at November 03, 2015 12:05 AM (pAlYe)
I have no idea. None of this makes any sense.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (2x3L+)
At least the Japanese have the wherewithall to build robots instead of importing millions of Chinese men who hate Japan with a passion...
Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at November 03, 2015 12:05 AM (vBeA5)
That was just a bad movie, Hat.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 03, 2015 12:05 AM (eMymG)
Posted by: A. Hitler at November 03, 2015 12:06 AM (RU5ki)
What if time travel is only possible to jump to the future? And every time a new traveller arrives they're promptly locked up for failure to pay taxes since they "left" the past?
Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 03, 2015 12:06 AM (YJmuy)
5. Sushi would be cooked, not raw
4. FDR would have lived another 30 years and become an Olympic Gold Medalist in the 40-Yard Dash
3. Chai tea would be called Thai tea, and Thai food would be called Chai food
2. Lena Dunham would be pretty
1. The program "Twin Peaks" would have made sense.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:07 AM (ntObR)
us with his traveler's tales -- despite saying that he would, when he
first came back. I've been so looking forward to "Travels into Several
Remote Nations of the World. In Four Parts." I pine for descriptions of
the fair Laputa, or the Country of the Houyhnhnms. I even understand
Barcelona might be involved. But I remember that we were promised Maetenloch's Travels.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 12:04 AM (EzgxV)
You were expecting The Canterbury Tales?
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 03, 2015 12:07 AM (JO9+V)
So if you kill Hitler, the result would be more horror than actually happened.
Then there was a novel I think, about preventing the assassination of JFK. The future turned out far worse.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (dvuhZ)
In the old RTS game "Command and Conquer: Red Alert", Albert Einstein went back in time and "dealt with" Hitler after he was released from prison. However, during the '40s and half of the '50s, the Soviet Union built up its military (after the Stalinist purges, obviously) and started a campaign for a "Continental Soviet Union - from coast to coast!").
Posted by: Thrawn at November 03, 2015 12:07 AM (wZ2hu)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2015 11:50 PM
That might apply to their socialist politicians but I think the German in the street will be ready and willing to do so regardless of what they say.
Let the problem get a bit larger and a few deaths come about attributable to roving bands of young Muslims and then we'll see a change that even Merkel won't be able to stop.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:07 AM (Xo1Rt)
Makes sense.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at November 03, 2015 12:07 AM (0LHZx)
Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:07 AM (HbSdt)
Posted by: OP at November 03, 2015 12:08 AM (TzeLs)
if not why not?
oh and howdy,
Jake
Posted by: Jake at November 03, 2015 12:08 AM (QelBn)
That's why you kill baby Hitler. Duh!
Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:09 AM (HbSdt)
That takes effort and free time. Both of which I've been short on since I got back.
Posted by: Maetenloch at November 03, 2015 12:09 AM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Octiparan at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (g5IwS)
Forget Stalin, it was Lenin who was the problem (if one can pinpoint such a problem). And who shipped Lenin back to Russia to get the whole communism thing going?
As to Mao ... he really wasn't much of a change for China, in terms of how the population was dealt with by the ruler. Same is true for Russia and their dictators. These societies have always loved having ruthless dictators treating them like shit. They've been that way since each nation was first established.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 03, 2015 12:10 AM (zc3Db)
Maybe. I don't understand the appeal. But, apparently, at that time, few other could get it. Free people so easily swindled into a death pact.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 03, 2015 12:10 AM (eMymG)
And how do *you* know that we can't?
Posted by: Maetenloch
I don't. I'm not proposing anything to a metaphysical certainty. The authors of the rubric are.
Again, how could you possibly know that the baby in front of you would become the singular monster?
You can't unless you are to claim some kind of divinity.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 12:10 AM (xrX4n)
Posted by: OP at November 03, 2015 12:11 AM (TzeLs)
Posted by: compliance pic fanatic at November 03, 2015 12:11 AM (8bZvl)
That blitzkreig would've maybe gotten stopped in their tracks.
Even Hitler was surprised it worked so well and that the Allies did nothing about it.
And that was the major cause of WWII; hesitancy, apathy and procrastination on the part of the allies.
That and the unknown aiding and abetting of Stalin. It's right and just that the Russians lost so many in that war. As they had a dominant say in the war's beginning.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:11 AM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:07 AM (HbSdt)
I believe the episode was the "Year of Hell" 2-Parter.
Posted by: buzzion at November 03, 2015 12:11 AM (zt+N6)
Aaah. The Harding Gambit.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 02, 2015 11:51 PM (HbSdt)
.....und dis Bitch on ice skates whacks me in the knee und says, "I am redeemed!" before disappearing in ein burst of multicolored snow....
Posted by: middle-aged Hitler with a cane at November 03, 2015 12:11 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:12 AM (ntObR)
That's why you kill baby Hitler. Duh!
Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:09 AM (HbSdt)
Just make sure you are thurough...
Posted by: Herod at November 03, 2015 12:12 AM (vBeA5)
Posted by: cm9000 at November 03, 2015 12:12 AM (2TUVm)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 03, 2015 12:12 AM (eMymG)
You can't unless you are to claim some kind of divinity.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 12:10 AM (xrX4n)
******
This is presupposed at the beginning of this whole entirely fictional exercise.
What is it about this fact that bothers you so much?
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 03, 2015 12:13 AM (3XSkD)
Of course, I read today that (paraphrasing) Joshka Fischer, that this resistance to the immigrants is merely "right wing" hate groups.
From that I gather that the Marxists plan to profit from this immigrant chaos in some way. (taps chin) .....How would they do that?
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:13 AM (+1T7c)
It actually kinda/sorta of answers the "Baby Hitler" question.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:13 AM (ntObR)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:14 AM (ntObR)
Posted by: buzzion at November 03, 2015 12:14 AM (zt+N6)
So. obviously if you go 'back' to the 'past' you are really creating an alternate timeline. You can't change the 'past' because it has already happened. You can only change the future.
See?
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 12:14 AM (OlaOu)
Say what you will, Islam has been a very effective political-Religious motivator for conquest.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:14 AM (Xo1Rt)
Maet just returned from a trip to the very regions that we're discussing in this here "kill the baby with the strange mustache" exercise.
....and he won't say a word about his time "over there", either.
Coincidence?
Or does Maet have some 'splainin' to do?
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 03, 2015 12:15 AM (McRlu)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 12:10 AM (xrX4n)
Sigh. Must I explain the whole concept of a thought experiment to you or are you always this literal-minded?
Posted by: Maetenloch at November 03, 2015 12:16 AM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Andrew Luck and the Colts at November 03, 2015 12:17 AM (REdlt)
I saw some Discovery show about time travel a long time ago and one physicist said you'd only be able to use the time machine in era's when the time machine exists and not be able to go into the past before the machine had been invented. So that's kinda like that too. (I don't know the tax-paying implications of that.)
Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:17 AM (HbSdt)
forward. So you can't go 'back' to the past. If you could go 'back' to
the past it wouldn't be the past, it would still be your future, 'cuz
you've never been to the past before.
So. obviously if you go 'back' to the 'past' you are really creating
an alternate timeline. You can't change the 'past' because it has
already happened. You can only change the future.
See?
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 12:14 AM (OlaOu)
It can be done. All it takes is this one weird trick . . .
Posted by: Doc Brown and Marty McFly at November 03, 2015 12:17 AM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 03, 2015 12:17 AM (YJmuy)
Now look at all the dirt and trash they tracked through the house.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:17 AM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: weft cut-loop
Well, you could always use the King Herod gambit.
Kill every child within a certain age.
And there were certainly thoughts later among assassin conspiracists in Germany that Hitler was protected by Satan, such was his luck in missing getting killed several times.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:17 AM (+1T7c)
Posted by: buzzion at November 03, 2015 12:14 AM (zt+N6)
Read an interesting alternate history where Lord Halifax replaced Chamberlin instead of Churchill.
Resulted in Japan starving to deat, Berlin being hit with anthrax weapons, Normandy rejoinging the UK, lots and lots of nukes, and the Anglo-American alliance monopolizing space with the threat of destroying anyone who disagreed with a mass driver of DOOM
Posted by: The Alternate Hat at November 03, 2015 12:18 AM (vBeA5)
In the language of General Relativity, time travel is possible when the spacetime admits what is known as "closed time-like curves", (CTLCs) these are world lines that close back in on themselves. IOW, you follow a path through spacetime that brings you back in contact at the same event as your past self.
That is a problem. Einstein didn't believe it was possible, but Godel (who was a genius, but batshit crazy) actually showed Einstein a solution to the EFE (Einstein Field Equations, governing equation of GR), now dubbed the Godel Metric, that allowed such CTLCs.
The problem with such a spacetime is it becomes acasual, meaning it can no longer be evolved, once the region with CTLCs forms. Anything could happen.
This doesn't involve causality violations, even. The spacetime woudl fail mathematically at that. You can have a temporal loops, sort of the kissing cousin of the grandfather paradox.
Rather than going back in time and killing your grandfather, you go back in time and save your grandfather. Or hell, as one episode of Futurama had it, you go back in time and fuck and impregnate your own grandmother, truly becomming your own grandpa. Think about that one a while.
At any rate, in an acausal spacetime, any number of such loops are possible, meaning stuff that can't be determined from initial conditions can exist. That is the meaning of acausal.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 03, 2015 12:18 AM (dvuhZ)
He's just being, how you say, a pedantic punctilious dick.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:18 AM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: buzzion at November 03, 2015 12:18 AM (zt+N6)
What if time travel is only possible to jump to the future? And every time a new traveller arrives they're promptly locked up for failure to pay taxes since they "left" the past?
Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 03, 2015 12:06 AM (YJmuy)
Sounds vaguely like Heinlein's "The Door Into Summer".
Posted by: middle-aged Hitler with a cane at November 03, 2015 12:19 AM (EzgxV)
least a few more years, now that I *finally* figured out how to make
good buffalo wings at home.
Posted by: qdpsteve
You...are...so .....selfish.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:19 AM (+1T7c)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 03, 2015 12:20 AM (gmP76)
There's going to be an upcoming blu-ray release of "Triumph of the Will," completely remastered, on 12/8/2015.
Anyone here ever seen it? Supposedly one of the greatest films ever made, if you can look past its... horrific subtext.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:20 AM (ntObR)
us with his traveler's tales -- despite saying that he would, when he
first came back. I've been so looking forward to "Travels into Several
Remote Nations of the World. In Four Parts." I pine for descriptions of
the fair Laputa, or the Country of the Houyhnhnms. I even understand
Barcelona might be involved. But I remember that we were promised Maetenloch's Travels.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 12:04 AM (EzgxV)
You were expecting The Canterbury Tales?
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 03, 2015 12:07 AM (JO9+V)
No, that's more like Bocaccio's Decameron. I had a different literary reference in mind.
Posted by: middle-aged Hitler with a cane at November 03, 2015 12:20 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:20 AM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:20 AM (ntObR)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:20 AM (FTf+m)
Posted by: Maetenloch
No, don't bother. I've already broken out the "veni vidi vici" noise makers.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 12:21 AM (xrX4n)
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Pant crease status: Peerless
Posted by: David Brock at November 03, 2015 12:21 AM (RU5ki)
Fuck this guy in particular.
Posted by: the time-travelling chicken at November 03, 2015 12:21 AM (8bZvl)
My target of choice? Not one of the big marquee names.
Gavrilo Princip.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 02, 2015 11:57 PM (noWW6)
In late 1999, I was listening to a local talk radio show, and the topic was "Who was the most influential person of the 20th Century?" Callers were invited to nominate their choices, and of course all the usual suspects were suggested and hashed over. It was a good topic and a very entertaining show.
At almost the very end of the show, a caller named Princip. I smacked myself on the forehead and said, "OF COURSE!"
Posted by: rickl at November 03, 2015 12:22 AM (sdi6R)
It is just that. There is no proof. There are some calculations that shows infinite energy densities would develop due to quantum field theory at a Cauchy Horizon (the boundary into CTLC regions), but as GR and QFT have not been unified (and likely won't be for a long time), you don't known if they are accurate.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 03, 2015 12:22 AM (dvuhZ)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:22 AM (Xo1Rt)
It actually kinda/sorta of answers the "Baby Hitler" question.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:13 AM (ntObR)
I've read the book. It's literally retarded. As in written by someone with the mentality of a 9 year old and the literary skills of a 12 year old. I can't believe some idiot bothered to make a million dollars publishing that tripe.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 12:23 AM (k9qR4)
Posted by: Looper and Inception at November 03, 2015 12:23 AM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 03, 2015 12:23 AM (ZZgPW)
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 03, 2015 12:23 AM (syGA0)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:20 AM (ntObR)
Yes.
Posted by: George Lucas at November 03, 2015 12:23 AM (vBeA5)
Posted by: Maetenloch at November 03, 2015 12:16 AM (pAlYe)
But thought experiments have to be consistent within themselves. You have to be able to make logical deductions from within the thought experiment.
Anyway, I'd happily kill Hitler as a baby, and his parents, but the idea that that would have changed German society is farfetched. Hitler doesn't carry all blame for WWII and the horrors of it. German society had a good part to play in that and had certain predispositions to ever allow something like that to happen. WWII was not about one person. It was about a society.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 03, 2015 12:24 AM (zc3Db)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:24 AM (ntObR)
We're traveling through time RIGHT NOW!!111!!!!
Just a bit slower than expected.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:24 AM (Xo1Rt)
That takes effort and free time. Both of which I've been short on since I got back.
Posted by: Maetenloch at November 03, 2015 12:09 AM (pAlYe)
***Boggling at the quality of the ONTs supposedly produced without effort or free time.***
Just so long as you don't forget. I'm thinking
Posted by: middle-aged Hitler with a cane at November 03, 2015 12:24 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:24 AM (HbSdt)
Posted by: qdpsteve
I think the whole 'greatest' is qualified heavily by the 'PROPAGANDA' lead weight of a tag first and foremost.
But as conservatives we shouldn't flinch from pointing out that propaganda films are a feature of large and awful Government.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 12:25 AM (xrX4n)
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Is that the one with Gregory Peck? If so, it sucked.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:25 AM (FTf+m)
Ah never mind. You're right, I've been hoodwinked. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:25 AM (ntObR)
Resulted in Japan starving to deat, Berlin being hit with anthrax weapons, Normandy rejoinging the UK, lots and lots of nukes, and the Anglo-American alliance monopolizing space with the threat of destroying anyone who disagreed with a mass driver of DOOM
Posted by: The Alternate Hat at November 03, 2015 12:18 AM (vBeA5)
The Big One?
Posted by: Colorado Alex at November 03, 2015 12:25 AM (fC9RO)
Critics are always careful to call "Trimph of the Will" the greatest PROPAGANDA film of all time.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:26 AM (ntObR)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:22 AM (Xo1Rt)
You'll wish they did...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FoaomccQJY
Posted by: Science, the cheap whore at November 03, 2015 12:26 AM (vBeA5)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That
Primarily among stupid people. Saudi Arabia....what a prize. Without the oil, it's a lot of hot, dirty nothing.
A bunch of retarded cousin humpers and wife-beaters.
Indonesia: hot, dirty, poor and jungle. And overpopulated and crowded.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:26 AM (+1T7c)
You're gonna make me explain my joke?
yes. It was weak. yes. It was lame.
What did you expect?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:26 AM (Xo1Rt)
They even claim that they'll give you wings.
Moral of the story? Don't engage in secks with Ginger Male Bovines.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 03, 2015 12:27 AM (McRlu)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:20 AM (FTf+m)
and growing up with 20 other brothers and sisters with 2-6 other moms wont ever fuck a kid up in the head
Islam=poinson since 650bc
Posted by: Jake at November 03, 2015 12:27 AM (QelBn)
I like to tell the one of the merchant who ended up in jail trying to sell "real" hot dogs to eat.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:27 AM (ntObR)
yeah. It shows that God has a vicious sense of humor.
or He's just fcuking with us for giggles and shits.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:28 AM (Xo1Rt)
He's the most evil man ever. Somehow he keeps make us lose.
Posted by: Jim Irsay, Chuck Pagano, and Andrew Luck at November 03, 2015 12:28 AM (REdlt)
Same guy who wrote Rosemary's Baby.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:24 AM (ntObR)
Well, yes. I did say I'd read it.
The premise was bad, the execution was lame, and the ending made me want to punch a b-author's lights out. What a stupid waste of time. I'd rather read "The Berenstain Bears Sodomise Each Other For 300 Pages".
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 12:28 AM (k9qR4)
fathering 20 children with multiple wives in England. I have no idea if
that's accurate
Sounds unlikely.
Posted by: cm9000 at November 03, 2015 12:28 AM (2TUVm)
through outbreeding the natives. I read a statistic that says that one
Muslim man on average is fathering 20 children with multiple wives in
England. I have no idea if that's accurate, but if it's owe by half,
they are all done.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:20 AM (FTf+m)
20 seems a stretch, but when you pay people to lounge about and have kids, and pay to support those kids, that is what you are going to get. And the muslims do not see this as welfare, they see it as the infidels paying jizya (tribute).
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 03, 2015 12:28 AM (NaeCR)
I can get my Focus up to 88 mph, but then the cops pull me over.
Posted by: hello ossifer, I don't think this 2.0 litre Duratec produces 1.21 GW at November 03, 2015 12:28 AM (8bZvl)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 03, 2015 12:06 AM (YJmuy)
How about a story where there exists a secret society of time travelers, whose machine can send people into the future. They use it to send the best and brightest forward to escape the decaying society around them, only for those people to discover that no matter how far forward they go, things only get worse, because the best and brightest keep trying to escape through time travel...
Posted by: Colorado Alex at November 03, 2015 12:28 AM (fC9RO)
Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:29 AM (HbSdt)
Well, ok, and do I want to live to see it?
I am kinda curious how this turns out.
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 12:29 AM (OlaOu)
they're drunk and high and they're thinking of shit to do to mankind.
they decide to let the gentiles create a massive interdependent culture that is run on oil and then they give all the oil to ignorant peasant arabs who are enthralled by a death cult invented by a bedoin pirate and pedophile.
Laughter and hilarity ensues.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:30 AM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 12:30 AM (EzgxV)
Well, ok, and do I want to live to see it?
I am kinda curious how this turns out.
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski
It does.
And it doesn't.
You of all people should know thises*.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 12:30 AM (xrX4n)
Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:31 AM (HbSdt)
Posted by: Kung Fury at November 03, 2015 12:31 AM (5zyvn)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:32 AM (FTf+m)
You mean the Blu-ray that came in the brown paper wrapper?
Posted by: Harry Reid at November 03, 2015 12:32 AM (vBeA5)
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 12:34 AM (k9qR4)
Posted by: L, Elle
Yeah, Greg Peck as Dr. Mengele, breeding lots of little Hitlers.
Clones. Whatever.
Why not kill Kaiser Wilhelm when he was a kid? Or Otto von Bismarck?
And while we're at it, Wagner, Nietsche, Marx and Engels.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:34 AM (+1T7c)
Posted by: Jonathan Quayle Higgins at November 03, 2015 12:34 AM (8bZvl)
Posted by: Kung Fury at November 03, 2015 12:31 AM (5zyvn)
You wish!
Posted by: Kung Führer at November 03, 2015 12:34 AM (vBeA5)
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 12:28 AM (k9qR4)
Now available in all elementary schools!
Posted by: San Fransisco Board of Education at November 03, 2015 12:35 AM (vBeA5)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:35 AM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:36 AM (Xo1Rt)
OTOH the original itself was so well done... plus so controversial. Lots of people didn't like that Hitler was portrayed as an actual human being, evil though he was, rather than as a monster.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:36 AM (ntObR)
My parents went to Indonesia and all I got was this lousy t-shirt
Posted by: BA-Rock Obama
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 03, 2015 12:37 AM (s0Kry)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:37 AM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: nature or nurture at November 03, 2015 12:37 AM (8bZvl)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 03, 2015 12:37 AM (NaeCR)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:38 AM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: The Disco NAZIs at November 03, 2015 12:38 AM (vBeA5)
Thing is, it's always wrong to punish an innocent person even for what you know they will do.
But because there were so many people complicit in Hitler's rise, that makes it less permissible to kill baby Hitler.
Because Bin Laden's deed was owned more or less 100% by him, not distributed as with Hitler, I'd have fewer qualms about killing baby Bin Laden, since he was a root cause, and Hitler was more like a symptom.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 03, 2015 12:38 AM (uw9Al)
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 12:38 AM (OlaOu)
None of these are satisfying.
When you get into the subject, you find that time-travel is Very Problematic as the SJWs would say, and you realize why everyone hopes it is impossible.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 03, 2015 12:39 AM (dvuhZ)
Jack Neery. I hope the Devil's got a big surprise in store for him.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:39 AM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:35 AM (Xo1Rt)
More importantly, America would not have been the first with nukes, which we only got because all of the Jewish physicists that were driven out of Europe. The world would be a very, very, very different place.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 03, 2015 12:40 AM (zc3Db)
Posted by: BA-Rock Obama
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
My company actually does business in Indonesia, and nobody likes to go there. It's a real hot mess.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:40 AM (+1T7c)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:40 AM (FTf+m)
Most of that was set into motion because of the war debts and reparations following WWI. We ended up with something like 95% of the money paid by Germany and quite a bit more from the Frants and Belgiums and Angles.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 12:40 AM (k9qR4)
Posted by: George Bailey
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 03, 2015 12:40 AM (qhUQl)
Posted by: cthulhu at November 02, 2015 11:27 PM
And howdy ya'll from MO.
Tomorrow ends our vacation. I'd say I have the sads, but actually going home and working is less stressful than all this driving.
Might as well do it while we can, but ran out of some of our meds for arthritis. Not a good idea.
Love the Southern hospitality. Tho sometimes I don't undertand them, or they understand me. Go figure.
Be well all,
T
Posted by: Farmer at November 03, 2015 12:41 AM (U3Me2)
This is quite probably very true. And frightening.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 12:42 AM (k9qR4)
Posted by: L, Elle
Are you drinking, sniffing glue or taking some kind of psychotropic drug?
Perhaps you should start.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:42 AM (+1T7c)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:42 AM (ntObR)
So somewhere I am boning Bar Refaeli five times daily, while Leo DiCaprio is worrying about his job because of looming carbon taxes.
Me like.
Posted by: now what kind of vehicle do I need to get there? at November 03, 2015 12:42 AM (8bZvl)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:42 AM (ntObR)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:40 AM (FTf+m)
*****
*Fist bump*
On the sidelines drinking beer and munching popcorn here.
Strange indeed.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 03, 2015 12:42 AM (3XSkD)
Posted by: Landau Roof at November 03, 2015 12:43 AM (GdFQh)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 03, 2015 12:43 AM (qhUQl)
Also, the Ottoman Empire would never have had the Iman declare Jihad on the Allied Powers.
Plus, Germany would have kept that cocksucker Lenin in prison instead of releasing him so that he could go back to Russia to cause the revolution there.
So, no Hitler, no Nazism, no Lenin, no Russian communism, and probably no Chinese communism, so no Korean communism, and no Viet Nam communism, and no Cambodian communism.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 03, 2015 12:43 AM (Z7G74)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:44 AM (ntObR)
Has to be something that was effected by the individuals themselves. Some quality that they themselves only had. Or few had.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:44 AM (Xo1Rt)
Perhaps you should start.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November
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Oh that's what I'm doing wrong???
Idk, I didn't expect an ONT about killing baby Hitler. Lol. Too bad Hitler loving Ekdahl isn't here.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:45 AM (FTf+m)
first with nukes, which we only got because all of the Jewish physicists
that were driven out of Europe. The world would be a very, very, very
different place.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
Maybe not. There was a whole cadre of really brilliant young American physicists, who actually did most of the real work in the Manhatten Project.
History was written making Enrico Fermi, Leo Szilard and those guys look like towering geniuses (and Hans Fuchs, who was a Red spy), but really a lot of smart, young guys did all the work.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:45 AM (+1T7c)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 03, 2015 12:46 AM (UiGnh)
Where are the real heroes who will walk the walk and go back in time after real monsters like Yoko Ono, the Kardashians, or Phil Donohue?
Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 03, 2015 12:46 AM (GdFQh)
Get Gavrilo Princip before he shoots Archduke Ferdinand?
Hmm, interesting.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 03, 2015 12:46 AM (syGA0)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:46 AM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
....or maybe it was the other way around?
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:48 AM (+1T7c)
what if you go back in time but you don't remember much of the future?
You know what you have to do but you don't know why.
Good ideas for some short stories.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:48 AM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: L, Elle
Are you drinking, sniffing glue or taking some kind of psychotropic drug?
Perhaps you should start.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:42 AM (+1T7c)
It might help if there were examples given of "normal" ONTs.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 12:48 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:48 AM (FTf+m)
It's easy. Quantas flight between DFW and Sydney. Crosses the International Date Line.
And if you want to really cross the streams, do it on the Saturday Night that Dallas juggles the Daylight Saving Time, Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, for your departure or arrival.
You might just get to greet yourself, coming or going.
Mate.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 03, 2015 12:49 AM (McRlu)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:50 AM (Xo1Rt)
That was suggested further up thread, but it was in code. So credit belongs to them what thought it furst.
I was just innocently brazenly shouting out the translation and wrecking the space time continuum the co conspirators had set up to send secret messages forward in time.
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 12:50 AM (OlaOu)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:44 AM (ntObR)
Indonesia.....one Love's Wood-Pit Barbecue from total insanity.......wait, they closed it?!?!?!?
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 12:50 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 03, 2015 12:51 AM (syGA0)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:51 AM (FTf+m)
Rasputin prophesized that if the nobles killed him, the Czar and nobles were doomed, but if he was killed by peasents, the Imperial family would have been safe.
Interesting thought experiment to see how that happens.
A little mood music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWInIUwqhKQ
Posted by: A certain Czarevich at November 03, 2015 12:52 AM (vBeA5)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:52 AM (Xo1Rt)
Don't forget that the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 created a golden opportunity to forge a powerful, positive relationship.
But the people of America decided to elect some dumbass hillbilly who pretty much ignored foreign affairs for 8 years.
Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at November 03, 2015 12:52 AM (2t8QE)
On normal ONTs, we read short HP Lovecraft tales and make origami Elder Ones.
Sometimes we kill things we've resurrected.
In any event, there's a lot less of this creepy insane time-travel shit.
Posted by: Herbert West at November 03, 2015 12:52 AM (8bZvl)
Posted by: Ahmad Mohammed at November 03, 2015 12:52 AM (uw9Al)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That
Primarily among stupid people. Saudi Arabia....what a prize. Without the oil, it's a lot of hot, dirty nothing.
A bunch of retarded cousin humpers and wife-beaters.
Indonesia: hot, dirty, poor and jungle. And overpopulated and crowded.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:26 AM
Good luck to Europe taking hundreds of thousands of these invaders in. It's BS they are refugees from war, more like economic refugees as per the ONT post.
Posted by: Farmer at November 03, 2015 12:53 AM (U3Me2)
Jakarta's rapidly aging shemale prostitute population was especially hard hit, asking "NOW where will I get the American tourists to take me to dinner?!?"
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:53 AM (ntObR)
I'm gonna time travel on my pillow. It'll propel me into tomorrow morning.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 03, 2015 12:53 AM (McRlu)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:54 AM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: finest Murray Walkerism ever at November 03, 2015 12:54 AM (8bZvl)
Didn't work out like we thought it would.
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 12:55 AM (OlaOu)
the largest word in the English language.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:52 AM
----------
"Or" and " Then" are a close second and third. "But" is a weak word, way down the list.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:56 AM (FTf+m)
On normal ONTs, we read short HP Lovecraft tales and make origami Elder Ones.
Sometimes we kill things we've resurrected.
In any event, there's a lot less of this creepy insane time-travel shit.
Posted by: Herbert West at November 03, 2015 12:52 AM (8bZvl)
I feel micro-aggressively folded in spatial dimensions.....and under-utilized in temporal dimensions.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 12:56 AM (EzgxV)
>>>How about "who do you kill" but "who do you save"?
Posted by: A certain Czarevich at November 03, 2015 12:52 AM (vBeA5)<<<
Uh oh, I see what's coming. A "fuck, marry, kill" time travel edition.
And this business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
Posted by: zombie Adm. Josh Painter at November 03, 2015 12:56 AM (REdlt)
it is if you are STRONG enough to live out your life with fun
Posted by: Jake at November 03, 2015 12:57 AM (QelBn)
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 12:57 AM (OlaOu)
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 12:58 AM (OlaOu)
Yeah, weird stuff. Lol
Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:48 AM (FTf+m)
******
*Waves back, while sippin'*
I'm more of a here and now kinda guy. These kinda things bore me.
Not that there is anything wrong with indulging in it.....
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 03, 2015 01:00 AM (3XSkD)
(I had a chemistry prof do that to an auditorium of freshmen with a blackboard covered in equations.)
Wut?
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 01:01 AM (OlaOu)
But this moron is going to bed
Be well horde
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 03, 2015 12:46 AM
Be well MisHum. We still have to struggle w/ a 5 hr drive tomorrow. And w/out our main arthritis meds, errg
Hope to see you tomorrow on the ONT.
Posted by: Farmer at November 03, 2015 01:01 AM (U3Me2)
Posted by: Maetenloch at November 02, 2015 11:40 PM (pAlYe)
If you had a time machine, and the necessary knowledge to take it whenever[/], why kill Baby Hitler? Just wait until WWI, when he was a corporal, and go to the front lines with a good sniper rifle, and pick him off. Legitimate act of war, no moral quandary.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2015 01:01 AM (0yhH4)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:50 AM (Xo1Rt)
Yes, and if she's a red-head double your points.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 01:05 AM (k9qR4)
Posted by: Jake at November 03, 2015 01:09 AM (QelBn)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 03, 2015 12:43
BINGO
T
Posted by: Farmer at November 03, 2015 01:09 AM (U3Me2)
Posted by: eman at November 03, 2015 01:10 AM (MQEz6)
(I had a chemistry prof do that to an auditorium of freshmen with a blackboard covered in equations.)
Wut?
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 01:01 AM (OlaOu)
There is a famous anecdote where a mathematics instructor filled several whiteboards full of equations and declared, "therefore, it is obvious that...." while inscribing a final equation. Halfway through, he stopped, stepped back, his brow wrinkled, he frowned, then sprinted for the door.
Witnesses describe his hurried rush across campus, his dash into a university building, his frenzied climb to the third floor, his run into his office and frantic riffling through books, the way he read a single page over-and-over until a smile broke upon his face, and his triumphant jog back to the classroom.....where he finished the equation he had been writing and said, to no-one in particular, "I was right, it is obvious."
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 01:11 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Little USA at November 03, 2015 01:11 AM (vBeA5)
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:45 AM (+1T7c)
Fermi, Einstein, Von Neumann, Szilard, ... WERE towering geniuses the likes of which the world has rarely seen. Young American physicists did not create modern physics - a few geniuses did - and they were pretty much all in Europe and many of them Jews (a huge number of whom were driven out by Hitler and European anti-semitism - which was nothing new, of course).. In Germany, theoretical physics was called Judenphysik (sp?).
No, without the rush of European scientists to America due to WWII (and the prelude) we would not have become the science superpower we did or had nukes first. Not by a long shot. And the space race would have been a lot different, too - though that does't owe to a German Jewish scientist but the opposite sort of German.
WWII had the world-saving effect of taking Europe down to a level that it couldn't hurt anyone, anymore. If that hadn't happened WWII would have truly wrought destruction the world over and worse by orders of magnitude - including here. And I contend that a world in which AMerica is not the first, sole nuclear power is a world that gets violently dominated by whomever it was, again, including here.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 03, 2015 01:11 AM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper
Um, you may want to re-examine the timeline there.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 01:12 AM (xrX4n)
insignificant when considered in isolation, such as silly high school
musicals. What's the big deal if we ditch West Side Story for the sake
of racial harmony? But it doesn't stop there because diversity's hunger
is never sated. A precedent has been set and will inevitably be followed
from there on out."
Sigh.
Posted by: SavetheEarth at November 03, 2015 01:12 AM (UW6pq)
Enough time travel, though, and we'll know when the stars will be right.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 03, 2015 01:13 AM (YJmuy)
Find some way to stop the ridiculous French revolution and all of its mad Jacobin excesses.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 01:15 AM (k9qR4)
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 01:15 AM (OlaOu)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:50 AM (Xo1Rt)
Yes, and if she's a red-head double your points.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 01:05 AM (k9qR4)
For genealogy buffs, there was the guy who found out his great-grampa almost got killed when he get got caught with his dick in a pickle-slicer.
The assistant-manager of the deli thought he had something exclusive with her, but wasn't a very good shot.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 01:16 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 01:15 AM (k9qR4)
One of Rousseau's whores giving him a terminal STD?
Posted by: Louis XVII at November 03, 2015 01:18 AM (vBeA5)
Enough time travel, though, and we'll know when the stars will be right.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 03, 2015 01:13 AM (YJmuy)
Now, there's a thought.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 01:18 AM (EzgxV)
"If you could go back in time and kill Hitler, you would, wouldn't you? Three words: Michael Jackson Junior. You know what you have to do."
Posted by: The Inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at November 03, 2015 01:18 AM (PZwQX)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 03, 2015 01:19 AM (YJmuy)
I heard a shorter version of that "joke". It's a classic. But, as an old math professor of mine used to say, "Once you know the solution it's always obvious.", which is true.
I'll tell you a real story about this particular professor. A famous mathematician named Paul Erdos was giving a lecture at our university (thought by many to be the greatest mathematician of the 20th century). He used to give out problems for money (though no one ever cashed an Erdos check but framed it). He gave a $500 problem at this lecture, which was a very, very tough one. This professor solved the problem.
Two weeks later Erdos was speaking at NYU and a contingent from our school went up there, including this professor. Erdos gave his lecture and in the middle announced that he had given a $500 problem a couple of weeks earlier that was solved by Don Newman and then Erdos gave the solution. After the lecture, Newman asked Erdos how he knew the solution and Erdos said that he had told him. Newman siad that he hadn't told anyone, only that he had solved it. Erdos said, "Oh, i guess that I figured if you had solved it then that was the way you would have had to do it."
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 03, 2015 01:20 AM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2015 01:21 AM (9mTYi)
Posted by: keena at November 03, 2015 01:22 AM (RiTnx)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:42 AM (ntObR)
At most, you would simply delay them a decade or so. Physics is physics, it lies waiting to be discovered.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2015 01:26 AM (0yhH4)
Vienna was already hipster and urban an with a larger mooslem population on the outskirts of town. One train station at night felt a little iffy, as son insisted on walking to a beer garden or something where the food looked rawish to me, but it was his b'day so eat what you want!
I did not like the tiny bit of Germany I saw (Munich airport). Felt rushed but also sinister...could not explain it then or now, but I wanted to get out. Keep in mind we did not have train fulls of Akmeds to travel with, thank God. There were some Chinese obnoxious tourists at the beautiful Hallstatt town in the Alps.
And if the Mo's continue to start destroying Christian and Jewish and Coptic Christian monuments I might just enlist an fight.
Meanwhile Europe is just going to roll over and act all open minded until the election when they become the minority and Sharia law is spelled out to them and their councils are mooslem.
I'd selfishly hoped I would not see this invasion or it would wait another 30 yrs until I reach total old-age dementia. Crap on you, Merkle. Hope you are happy with your totally insane gate opening. Oh, YOU don't have to worry but your constituents sure as hell do.
Brussels will fall, too. Have read that rifles and hunting guns are in short supply in Austria for huting. Hope they find a herd of people and corral them back to where they came.
Sad times, this invasion without a shot. xoxo
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at November 03, 2015 01:28 AM (eXl9F)
I've been reading sefton's thing too often. I feel comfortable killing any asshole whose name begins with 'M'.
Posted by: Ahmad Mohammed at November 03, 2015 01:28 AM (uw9Al)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at November 03, 2015 01:29 AM (eXl9F)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2015 01:26 AM (0yhH4)
More than a decade. her experiment to isolate radium took years, by itself.
But there are a choice few who can be taken out to totally impede a society's advancement, especially in math and science. The proof of this is in the many societies that existed on earth for so many thousands of years without ever being able to come up with the even the idea of writing. And many continued to be illiterate even after having come into contact with literate societies, just to cite one simple example.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 03, 2015 01:33 AM (zc3Db)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 01:12 AM (xrX4n)
Wasn't putting all of those in chronological order but more along the lines of things that wouldn't have happened if Ferdinand's tires had been slashed.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 03, 2015 01:34 AM (Z7G74)
I just got back from a quick weekend trip back to the old hometown to see my Dad. What we were told was Stage 1 lung cancer turns out to be far more advanced. He's been transferred to hospice care and is now back home.
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 01:36 AM (rJUlF)
But there are a choice few who can be taken out to totally impede a society's advancement, especially in math and science. The proof of this is in the many societies that existed on earth for so many thousands of years without ever being able to come up with the even the idea of writing. And many continued to be illiterate even after having come into contact with literate societies, just to cite one simple example.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 03, 2015 01:33 AM (zc3Db)
But isolating Radium did not lead directly to nuclear weapons. It was mainly a feat of experimental chemistry that she did. Other workers were already trying to make sense of the property of radioactivity.
Radioactivity was a "hot" topic back in the day, and the Curies were not the only people studying it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2015 01:37 AM (0yhH4)
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 01:38 AM (rJUlF)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2015 01:38 AM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 01:36 AM (rJUlF)
Sorry to hear that, CW. A tough thing to have to deal with.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2015 01:39 AM (0yhH4)
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 01:40 AM (rJUlF)
I just got back from a quick weekend trip back to the old hometown to see my Dad. What we were told was Stage 1 lung cancer turns out to be far more advanced. He's been transferred to hospice care and is now back home.
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 01:36 AM (rJUlF)
Sorry to hear, Cap'n. May God outshine himself with the mercy by which his Will be done......
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 01:40 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2015 01:40 AM (9mTYi)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 03, 2015 01:42 AM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 03, 2015 01:44 AM (Z7G74)
But I seem to remember some discussion of the topic, maybe it was Larry Niven, wherein it was proposed that time travel was possible, but that there was a physical law, named "Conservation of Events" which negated any attempts to alter history by going back in time to tamper in any way. Kill Hitler, and Goering becomes Fuhrer in his stead. And WWII happens right on schedule, and likewise the Holocaust.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2015 01:45 AM (0yhH4)
Posted by: SMFH at November 03, 2015 01:48 AM (ahx2/)
I just got back from a quick weekend trip back to the old hometown to see my Dad. What we were told was Stage 1 lung cancer turns out to be far more advanced. He's been transferred to hospice care and is now back home.
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 01:36 AM (rJUlF)
Sorry to hear, Cap'n. May God outshine himself with the mercy by which his Will be done......
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 01:40 AM (EzgxV)
Went out with my regular shootin' buddy to punch holes in paper. Last night, big front rolled through -- dumped about 2" of rain and dropped overnight temps by 20 degrees. We ended-up both utterly disgusted by our shooting, in a "what do you mean, there are only seven holes?" way.
Which I put out there as partial explanation as to why I'm doing so badly at expressing myself.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 01:49 AM (EzgxV)
An example: Yesterday, Dad wanted to smoke a cigarette (the doctors say there's no reason now to deny him). He's on oxygen, so my nephew wanted to be sure that it was turned off before Dad lit up, because, as my nephew put it, "I don't want to blow up Grandpa."
Dad, with a twinkle in his eye, looked at my nephew, smiled, and simply said, "Boom."
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 01:50 AM (rJUlF)
'Sup cooth.
Posted by: SMFH at November 03, 2015 01:48 AM (ahx2/)
Howdy, howdy. How are things in The Land of the Banned?
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 01:51 AM (EzgxV)
It can be shown that such a force would have to be beyond the laws of physics, something global and Godlike. If it were local, then information would have to travel instantly following spacelike paths through spacetime. Even in CTLC spacetimes, everything must follow time-like paths, even though they can close on themselves.
The only way out of paradoxes in superdeterminism, we have no free will and everything is preordained. That, and the many worlds thing, but there, you're not really going back in time, only jumping universes.
The grandfather paradox is a really big showstopper.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 03, 2015 01:53 AM (dvuhZ)
Plus, she has the cutest kitten, and I needed desperately a cute fix
Posted by: SMFH at November 03, 2015 01:56 AM (ahx2/)
Posted by: SMFH at November 03, 2015 01:57 AM (ahx2/)
It can be shown that such a force would have to be beyond the laws of physics, something global and Godlike. If it were local, then information would have to travel instantly following spacelike paths through spacetime. Even in CTLC spacetimes, everything must follow time-like paths, even though they can close on themselves.
The only way out of paradoxes in superdeterminism, we have no free will and everything is preordained. That, and the many worlds thing, but there, you're not really going back in time, only jumping universes.
The grandfather paradox is a really big showstopper.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 03, 2015 01:53 AM (dvuhZ)
I know that it really wouldn't work. I think it was offered up in a discussion of how one could write a seemingly plausible time-travel story.
Just like you have similar seemingly-plausible explanations offered to make magic "work" in fiction.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2015 01:58 AM (0yhH4)
Posted by: SMFH at November 03, 2015 01:58 AM (ahx2/)
You could imagine him as a Nazi superman, singing das Panzerlied.
Or as a slick Communist turncoat in "From Russia With Love".
Fewer than ten years later, he was Quint, recollecting how he and his Indianapolis shipmates delivered the war-ending Bomb to Tinian.
That was an actor.
That guy could make you watch a movie.
Posted by: I hear beep boop Hawking was fucking FASCINATING at November 03, 2015 02:01 AM (8bZvl)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2015 01:37 AM (0yhH4)
A little mood music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaScyfSHc-Y
Posted by: The Decaying Hat at November 03, 2015 02:04 AM (vBeA5)
Find some way to stop the ridiculous French revolution and all of its mad Jacobin excesses.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 01:15 AM (k9qR4)
Why???
Posted by: Napoleon at November 03, 2015 02:06 AM (qh617)
Posted by: Big V at November 03, 2015 02:07 AM (9rgyU)
Posted by: carbon ... dioxide ... will ... kiill... us ... alll ... in ... twenty ... gafribrillions ... years at November 03, 2015 02:07 AM (8bZvl)
An example: Yesterday, Dad wanted to smoke a cigarette (the doctors say there's no reason now to deny him). He's on oxygen, so my nephew wanted to be sure that it was turned off before Dad lit up, because, as my nephew put it, "I don't want to blow up Grandpa."
Dad, with a twinkle in his eye, looked at my nephew, smiled, and simply said, "Boom."
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 01:50 AM (rJUlF)
There's a story you could tell your dad. Seems that there were three elderly men sitting on a park bench. First one goes, "thinkin' about it -- I want to go, peacefully, in my sleep. No muss, no fuss, fall asleep one day and never wake up."
Second guy goes, "that is not for me! I pray it happens suddenly, like an explosion -- too sudden to feel anything, too fast to hurt....just, 'why am I talking to Saint Peter?'."
And the third guy says, "when I go, I'm looking to be shot in the act by a jealous husband. If I'm lucky, I won't know if I'm going or....."
There's still time for your dad to make another guy jealous....
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 02:08 AM (EzgxV)
As always, Heinlein was there first. All You Zombies, 1959
Posted by: Fox2! at November 03, 2015 02:11 AM (brIR5)
Too many reasons to change the past, and then on time machine will be invented.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 03, 2015 02:13 AM (u82oZ)
Cooth, I'll be sure to tell him that one when Mom isn't around. I'm certain she'd still be reaching for the bar of soap and heading for my mouth, even at my age.
I'm going to see if the melatonin will work. Goodnight, all.
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 02:14 AM (rJUlF)
Shutdown trains made life... interesting.
No better friend than someone with a car.
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at November 03, 2015 02:15 AM (uPxUo)
Posted by: SMFH at November 03, 2015 02:15 AM (ahx2/)
An example is Niven's collection The Flight of the Horse with Svetz having bad days every trip back into another world.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 03, 2015 02:17 AM (u82oZ)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 03, 2015 02:18 AM (u82oZ)
That's not always true. Take out Newton, and Leibniz still invents calculus. With neater notation than Newton's fluxions.
Einstein would have been replaced by Bohr, Heisenberg, or one of many others.
Posted by: Fox2! at November 03, 2015 02:19 AM (brIR5)
Kasparyan's assertion about the west and the post-Soviet republics (assuming that's mostly who he has in mind) is not really very accurate. It may apply in some cases, but few. It also (again, I'm assuming) depends on some sort of certainty that events in these countries would proceed as they did, and this was all foreseeable in 1991. Wrong.
There wasn't much giddy optimism about the prospects for Turkmenistan, or Uzbekistan, or Belarus quickly becoming like Switzerland. Or Tajikistan or Kazakhstan. Or really any of them. Though some (like those just mentioned) were notably worse than most of the rest.
None of this has any bearing on his prescriptions for current challenges, neccessarily. Just a pet-peeve of mine - glib, superficially persuasive generalizations that are far from the historical truth.
I also think that the internal rot in the west, incl. the US, is now serious and widespread enough that Putin does not concern me too much. Sympathies with the smaller countries harmed by Russian strength/US weakness, but beyond that, meh.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 03, 2015 02:20 AM (QDnY+)
As always, Heinlein was there first. All You Zombies, 1959
Posted by: Fox2! at November 03, 2015 02:11 AM (brIR5)
Whenever someone writes a time-travel story that references one of your birthdays, it gets to you.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 02:21 AM (EzgxV)
Einstein would have been replaced by Bohr, Heisenberg, or one of many others.
Posted by: Fox2! at November 03, 2015 02:19 AM (brIR5)
No matter how exotic human civilization becomes, no matter the developments of life and society nor the complexity of the machine/human interface, there always come interludes of lonely power when the course of humankind, the very future of human kind, depends upon the relatively simple actions of single individuals.
Posted by: The Tleilaxu Godbuk at November 03, 2015 02:22 AM (vBeA5)
Einstein would have been replaced by Bohr, Heisenberg, or one of many others.
Posted by: Fox2!
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Exactly. Most of our history is streamlined hype, clever PR, and "bite-sized historical nuggets."
The Beatles did not f*cking invent rock and roll. They didn't even invent psychedelic rock.
There were plenty of people racing the Wright Brothers to get off the ground.
We always mistake the representatives of a wave for the creators of the wave.
Posted by: RKae at November 03, 2015 02:23 AM (gxhW0)
To steal a line from another website hosted by our beloved Pixy Misa, "Have you met my gom jabbar?"
Posted by: Alia of the Knife at November 03, 2015 02:25 AM (brIR5)
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 03, 2015 02:27 AM (dvuhZ)
Posted by: Alia of the Knife at November 03, 2015 02:25 AM (brIR5)
The assumption that a whole system can be made to work better through an assault on its conscious elements betrays a dangerous ignorance. This has often been the ignorant approach of those who call themselves scientists and technologists.
Posted by: The Butlarian Jihad by Harq al-Adaodbuk at November 03, 2015 02:27 AM (vBeA5)
Posted by: Alia of the Knife at November 03, 2015 02:30 AM (brIR5)
Posted by: Alia of the Knife at November 03, 2015 02:30 AM (brIR5)
Survival of self, of species, and of environment, these are what drives humans. You can observe how the order of importance changes in a lifetime. What are the things of immediate concern at a given age? Weather? The state of the digestion? Does she (or he) really care? All of those various hungers that flesh can sense and hope to satisfy. What else could possible matter?
Posted by: Leto II, to Hwi Noree at November 03, 2015 02:34 AM (vBeA5)
Posted by: carbon ... dioxide
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Only, it didn't, exactly. It was so beat up in the process of landing and loading up with sailors that it was abandoned, and sunk.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2015 02:42 AM (9mTYi)
Cooth, I'll be sure to tell him that one when Mom isn't around. I'm certain she'd still be reaching for the bar of soap and heading for my mouth, even at my age.
I'm going to see if the melatonin will work. Goodnight, all.
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 02:14 AM (rJUlF)
When my uncle was in his final months from leukemia, his nurses loved that he continually tried to charm them, despite (a) being married, and (b) being a broken-down mess with terminal leukemia. Mind you, they all probably went home to their husbands, boyfriends, or cats and laughed about it.....but the fact my uncle was a horndog to his dying breath was held as somehow endearing.
And memory of memory of memory means I have got to say something. When I went down to visit my uncle in the hospital right before he died, I spent some time watching how that floor of the hospital operated. The staff there were saints and angels, and my uncle could not have been in a better place in this world during that horrible time. They always treated him as if he were their most favorite patient, no matter what happened (and no matter how many other patients were in their care).
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 02:43 AM (EzgxV)
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Great Heavens! There's a Presbyterian among us.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2015 02:43 AM (9mTYi)
Posted by: RKae at November 03, 2015 02:23 AM (gxhW0)
"You didn't build that!" writ large?
Posted by: Adriane the History Critic ... at November 03, 2015 02:44 AM (jnAIZ)
Posted by: Alia of the Knife at November 03, 2015 02:30 AM (brIR5)
Kanly may only be be declared within the Great Houses.
Posted by: Landsraad at November 03, 2015 02:48 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: RKae at November 03, 2015 02:23 AM (gxhW0)
Pull my finger...
Posted by: Nikola Tesla at November 03, 2015 02:49 AM (vBeA5)
Posted by: out by the teeming silicon fabs of the Serengheti at November 03, 2015 02:54 AM (8bZvl)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2015 02:54 AM (9mTYi)
Boyz II Men
Dru Hill
112
Keith Sweat
TLC
Babyface
En Vogue
Damn I miss that kind of music
Posted by: the real ch3 at November 03, 2015 02:55 AM (3Scwj)
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Progress/Liberals believe that evolution ceased, 50,000 or so years ago. Mysteriously.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2015 02:56 AM (9mTYi)
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 03:02 AM (EzgxV)
-- Christopher Caldwell in What Merkel Wrought"
When did they get this knowledge and by what means?
We, as in the world, need the knowledge they have witnessed to avoid being in the unwise position of needing to see the threat at literally your doorstep, before, if ever, you arm yourself and get ready to be promoted as a hero's hero Eurostyle deathfest.
Posted by: twoslaps at November 03, 2015 03:09 AM (jMwVx)
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 03:02 AM (EzgxV)
If you ever get the chance, read "The Man Who Never Grew Young" by Fritz Lieber
Posted by: The 60% Hat at November 03, 2015 03:10 AM (vBeA5)
Derp derp if if someone else elected woulda said something different derp derp.
Posted by: twoslaps at November 03, 2015 03:14 AM (jMwVx)
Posted by: navybrat at November 03, 2015 03:16 AM (ETxiG)
In 1967, then Gov. Ronald Reagan and Sen. Robert F. Kennedy appeared on a trans-Atlantic broadcast with students/Communist plants called "Town Meeting of the World".
More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=10240
Posted by: The Political Hat at November 03, 2015 03:31 AM (vBeA5)
Holy Crap!
I'm so glad I was in Germany and Europe 20 years ago when the Germans were only complaining (in whispery voices) about how much the Turks were terrible "litterbugs".
How much longer, do you suppose, will it be before Notre Dame is a mosque and the Louvre and the Musee d'Orsay are burnt to the ground? Middle age castles?...
Posted by: Spun and Murky at November 03, 2015 03:41 AM (4DCSq)
That's why one needs to vote, it's our only option right now. I don't get the let others do it or its all for nothing. Until something else happens as I said right now it's our only option.
Good morning horde
Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2015 03:46 AM (gE2Li)
Moreover, no French Revolution means no Napoleon coming in as military dictator in the aftermath, justifying his despotism with "I bring order and peace". And then no drafting a million-strong army and bathing Europe in blood as he tries to conquer it repeatedly.
Which in turn means that the federal-republicanism of the Holy Roman Empire (neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire) which in our timeline fled to America here also survives in Europe, rather than being reorganized into the German Confederation.
Posted by: Blackbutt the Pirate at November 03, 2015 03:47 AM (/kCHc)
That's why one needs to vote, it's our only option right now. I don't get the let others do it or its all for nothing. Until something else happens as I said right now it's our only option.
Good morning horde
Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2015 03:46 AM (gE2Li)
Prepare for voting and worse.
Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 03:49 AM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2015 03:53 AM (gE2Li)
In the meantime, though, I had to declare my annual income to be $81,000 a year (which is more than twice as much as my actual income) in order to AVOID qualifying for any Obamacare subsidies, since I do not want to go anywhere near those blasted "exchanges." Sure, I'll pay more -- but I'm willing to pay quite a bit to prevent the federal government from having its dirty fingers in my healthcare.
Someone out there please tell me I'm not the only one who has done this.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at November 03, 2015 03:56 AM (HbLZM)
Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2015 05:04 AM (gE2Li)
Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2015 05:06 AM (gE2Li)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 05:24 AM (xrX4n)
Posted by: the real ch3 at November 03, 2015 05:24 AM (4cE2w)
Posted by: goon at November 03, 2015 05:46 AM (gy5kE)
Trump book drops today. Cue the usual proceedings. The Slimes will keep it out of the #1 slot and pan or ignore it in the reviews. Progtards will flock to Amazon to leave their drivel(reviews are not turned on yet.) The MFM will lie about the sales figures. The usual script will be followed.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 03, 2015 06:02 AM (HMt16)
Posted by: Gmac - IP banned at home - #twoweeks at November 03, 2015 06:07 AM (4pjhs)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 03, 2015 06:08 AM (VPLuQ)
Now really show your stuff by having previous obligations when invited to the white house.
Do NOT want to see a Royals jersey with that lying, racist, elitest, corrupt, freedom hating, dictator wannabe's name on it.
Posted by: teej at November 03, 2015 06:16 AM (1Zi6N)
Posted by: righter at November 03, 2015 07:03 AM (nHbAq)
China and Russia learned from observation.
Posted by: RobM1981 at November 03, 2015 07:55 AM (zurJC)
bin Laden gets too much of the credit for 9/11.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 03, 2015 11:04 AM (r1fLd)
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