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Overnight Open Thread (11-2-2015)

Quote of the Day I

Unfortunately, Putin, like other modern autocrats, had, and still has, an advantage the Soviet leadership could never have dreamed of: deep economic and political engagement with the free world.  Decades of trade have created tremendous wealth that dictatorships like Russia and China have used to build sophisticated authoritarian infrastructures inside the country and to apply pressure in foreign policy.  The naive idea was that the free world would use economic and social ties to gradually liberalize authoritarian states.  in practice, the authoritarian states have abused this access and economic interdependency to spread their corruption and fuel repression at home.

-- Gary Kasparov in Winter Is Coming: Why Vladimir Putin and the Enemies of the Free World Must be Stopped

Quote of the Day II

Citizens of all the tiny countries that lie between the Middle East and Germany were witnessing a migration far too big for Germany to handle. They knew Germany would eventually realize this, too. Once Germany lost its nerve, the huge human chain of testosterone and poverty would be stuck where it was. And if your country was smaller than Germany -- Austria, for instance, is a tenth Germany's size -- you could wind up in a situation where the majority of fighting-age men in your country were foreigners with a grievance.

-- Christopher Caldwell in What Merkel Wrought

Quote of the Day III

We can now add Halloween parties to the list of things we can't do because we live in a diverse society

...Far from being a bonus, diversity looms as a pagan god that demands the constant sacrifice of everything we hold dear. In exchange for a few benefits-exotic restaurants, I guess? - it compels society give up its traditions, its sacred rights, and even its basic decency. The terms of the Faustian bargain are never spoken aloud of course because no one would ever accept it if they were. Diversity's salesmen will tell us that there is much to gain and nothing to lose though experience should tell us that they're lying. It first demands that we give up the small stuff, things that seem insignificant when considered in isolation, such as silly high school musicals. What's the big deal if we ditch West Side Story for the sake of racial harmony? But it doesn't stop there because diversity's hunger is never sated. A precedent has been set and will inevitably be followed from there on out.

-- Benny Huang

Quote of the Day IV

He was a shrewd and insightful man, but also very stylish and cool. I didn't know him well, except for a few tipples after hours on various sailings of the National Review cruise. But, after the 2010 midterms, he and Howard Dean and I took part in a big event in Calgary discussing the US election results for a Canadian audience. A very crumpled Dean and I arrived first and were chit-chatting on the sidewalk about this and that when a car pulled up and Fred Thompson got out wearing the best cut suit I've ever seen on a political panelist - an immaculately tailored chalk-white pinstripe; he looked sharp, like he was about to whack Sean Connery in The Untouchables. It was all the more amazing given that his speakers' agency had flown him some hellish multi-stop route from Nashville to Tennessee - via Presque-Isle and Yellowknife, or some such. What followed was a fun discussion. You can view the first part of the evening here, and then click through to the rest.

-- Mark Steyn on Fred Thompson

Quote of the Day V

First off, let's dispense with the childish notion that Alderaan was, as rebel spy and intergalactic insurrectionist Princess Leia has argued, a purely civilian target. There is literally no reason to believe her claim that "Alderaan is peaceful, we have no weapons." She had previously lied about not only the diplomatic nature of the mission she was on when she was captured but also about the location of the stolen Death Star plans. It's also worth noting that she would go on to lie about the location of a military target for the Death Star to target moments before Alderaan was destroyed.

We have further reason to disbelieve Princess Liar when we consider that her adopted father, Bail Organa, was one of the original members of the rebellion, conferring with Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda in an effort to undermine the democratically elected Chancellor Palpatine shortly after his ascension. Alderaan was less likely a peaceful planet than a financial and intellectual hub of the rebellion, whose leaders, as we've seen, are totally untrustworthy negotiating partners - a hive of scum and villainy no less wretched than Mos Eisley, but on a planetary scale.

-- Sonny Bunch explaining how the destruction of Alderaan is defensible under Just War theory

German Village of 102 to Get 750 Refugees

SUMTE, Germany - This bucolic, one-street settlement of handsome redbrick farmhouses may for the moment have many more cows than people, but next week it will become one of the fastest growing places in Europe. Not that anyone in Sumte is very excited about it.

In early October, the district government informed Sumte's mayor, Christian Fabel, by email that his village of 102 people just over the border in what was once Communist East Germany would take in 1,000 asylum seekers.

His wife, the mayor said, assured him it must be a hoax. "It certainly can't be true" that such a small, isolated place would be asked to accommodate nearly 10 times as many migrants as it had residents, she told him. "She thought it was a joke," he said.

The only person happy about the situation is the lone neo-Nazi on the city council who's convinced that it will finally bring the villagers around to his point of view.

And Rick Moran points out that Merkel's careless generosity will likely end German tolerance:

It's amazing that Merkel never imagined that when you throw open the doors to your country, people beyond counting will want to come in. Nothing has been prepared for the crush of humanity that took Merkel up on her generosity. There is no shelter, no allowance for schooling for children, no plan to employ those who can work. Her ultimate goal - to change the demographic decline of her country so that more workers can support the rapidly growing number of retirees - could not justify the chaos and massive dislocations her refugee policy has wrought.

Meanwhile, the good people of Sumte - no doubt tolerant and broadminded - are about to be buried in an onslaught of Muslims who will be a supermajority in the tiny town. What are the chances of German law, German traditions, and German life being maintained in the face of people who want to change all that to suit their own preferences?

Before too long, I suspect the residents of Sumte won't be so tolerant and broadminded.

Oh And It Turns Out that the Refugees Aren't Really Refugees

A largely Muslim charity recently reviewed the work its people had been doing to relieve the misery and squalor on the Sangatte refugee camp in Calais. A worker with the Human Relief Foundation visited the notorious 'Jungle' encampment and concluded, with some alarm, that 97 per cent were economic migrants rather than refugees. Further, they were almost exclusively fit young men who were not fleeing danger at all and were not in the least desperate.

An executive added: 'I thought they had a valid reason [to be there]. They do not have a valid reason.' The charity immediately curtailed its relief efforts. But present these facts to those who simply scream 'Let them in!' and 'We must do more!' and it makes not the slightest difference to their point of view; it washes over them without leaving so much as a trace.

And Mark Steyn Explains Why All The Refugees Are '17'

Fences Are Going Up All Over Europe

Austria, a strong critic of fences built to cope with Europe's migrant influx, on Wednesday announced it is joining other nations that have either already erected border barriers or are planning to do so. Austrian Interior Minister Johanna Mikl-Leitner insisted the move was aimed solely at bringing order to the unrelenting influx of people entering the country, telling parliament there were no plans "to build a fence around Austria."

Still the project is a major shift for the country, which has preached the sanctity of unimpeded internal EU borders since the migrant crisis intensified earlier this year, and Mikl-Leitner herself used the world "fence" in earlier comments announcing construction plans at the border.

...Slovenia, the main entry point into Austria, also said it was ready to build a fence, while Hungary has been championing the success of its razor-wire border fences with Serbia and Croatia and plans another one with Romania. Greece already erected a barbed wire fence three years ago on a section of its border with Turkey not separated by a river. Bulgaria also has fenced off parts of its boundary to Turkey, while some Baltic states plan to erect fences on border segments with Russia.

But all of these existing or planned fences are either on outer EU borders or between two EU countries where one is not yet part of the Schengen Agreement meant to ensure the free movement of persons. The Austria-Slovenia border is part of the agreement, however, and any barriers erected on it would be closely watched for possible violations.

Camp of the Saints watch: And here is a photo of the human river of migrants snaking its way through Slovenia towards Austria.

Slovenia Migrants

The Map That Shows How Large Europe's Refugee Crisis Really Is

Follow the link to see the animated version.

europemapcrisi

The Anonymous Twitter Account: There Are 4 GOP Senators Who Are Members of the KKK

But even Anonymous is disavowing this accusation. And Alex Griswold of Mediaite points out how flimsy the evidence for these accusations are: if a senator's email address appeared in any database hacked from a KKK site, it could only mean that they must in fact be members somehow.

This is exactly the sort of situation to pull out Occam's Razor. Which of these two possibilities really seems more likely:
  1. Four separate individuals managed to conceal their membership in a white supremacist organization for decades from watchdog groups and the government alike, surviving dozens of primary and general elections alike without even a whiff of their extremely radical views ever being raised by anyone. Every one of these individuals lead extremely productive lives, attend elite universities, and two even become a U.S. Attorney and an ambassador to a major U.S. ally. But in an extremely sloppy move, they all sign up for KKK websites using emails that can easily be traced back to them.
  2. Some kid on the Internet lied.

#BabyHitler and the Internet

Given a time machine would you go back and kill baby Hitler? Well that's been what all the internet people have musing on in the last week.

If you time-traveled, killed baby Hitler, then returned, you'd be reviled for using the best invention ever to kill an unknown Austrian baby

- brad plumer (@bradplumer) October 23, 2015
Why don't they ever ask if you'd *kidnap* Baby Hitler? You've got a time machine. You could drop him off with a caveman family or something.

- Jesse Walker (@notjessewalker) October 23, 2015
Definitive proof that you cannot kill Baby Hitler without creating time travel-destroying paradox. https://t.co/Smxavqo4mC

- Ben Domenech (@bdomenech) October 23, 2015

baby-hitler-dominates-the-internet-could-you-kill-baby-hitler-610x442

But as Instapundit points out there's a huge gender gap when it comes to Baby Hitler with men far more willing to go back in time and kill baby Hitler:

"Women were more likely to fall into the deontology camp and agonize for a long time over a decision, while men were somewhat more likely to lean toward utilitarianism and make a quick decision, the researchers found. That leads to a gender difference in making a moral decision, they say, with a stronger emotional aversion to harmful action being seen among women."

You know, I felt better about the 19th Amendment before I knew that women, given a choice, would let Hitler live.

'NPR Voice' Has Taken Over the Airwaves

Ugh. I hate NPR voice. It's the main reason I can't listen to even non-political NPR programs. And while its roots according to the article may have come from lack of professional training, today it's just as affected and artificial as what it was a reaction to. Whenever I hear it, this is what I see in my head:

idiocracy_supreme_court_md

Why You're Going to Be Seeing a Lot of Horror Movies Out of Hollywood

Short answer: They're very profitable.

There were 28 horror movies out of the 202 we analyzed from the past 15 years that made back more than 10 times their budget. There were only six romantic comedies out of 180 and only four action movies that pulled off the same return on investment.

Why is this?

Namely, horror movies are relatively cheap to make - the genre doesn't demand that a big-name star get hacked to pieces and will accept any replacement-level ingenue as a lead - and they have the opportunity to explode in popularity. The ur-example of this is "The Blair Witch Project" (1999), which pretty much kicked off the contemporary era of make-it-cheap-and-hope-for-the-best horror movies. It was followed a decade later by the first "Paranormal Activity" (2009), which to this day is one of the single most successful films ever based on return on investment.

hickey-datalab-horror

10 Famous People Who Vanished Without a Trace

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oscar-zeta-acosta1 DB-Cooper1

The Yahoo AoSHQ group - it's got electrolytes and shit.

And my twitter thang.

Tonight's post brought to you by Hilary staying focused on the important stuff:

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Notice: Posted by imprimatur of AceCorp LLC. Stay frosty and give to the ewok.

Posted by: Maetenloch at 11:23 PM




Comments

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1 Foist?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 02, 2015 11:24 PM (3XSkD)

2 Woot woot ONT yay

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 02, 2015 11:24 PM (QvClr)

3 Yeesss!

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 02, 2015 11:24 PM (3XSkD)

4 Can't be.

Posted by: mindful webworker - no, really? at November 02, 2015 11:25 PM (dLr9j)

5 Well, close.

Posted by: mindful webworker - not at November 02, 2015 11:25 PM (dLr9j)

6 They are not refugees. It is a fricken invasion - ollie ollie oxen free, we can just walk in.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 02, 2015 11:27 PM (NaeCR)

7 Howdy ONT!

Posted by: Sixkiller at November 02, 2015 11:27 PM (bfpzm)

8 in practice, the authoritarian states have abused this access and economic interdependency to spread their corruption and fuel repression at home.

In talking about Russia, we're talking about Washington, too.

Posted by: t-bird at November 02, 2015 11:27 PM (OLNwX)

9 Howdy, y'all!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at November 02, 2015 11:27 PM (EzgxV)

10 Top 10!

Posted by: Sixkiller at November 02, 2015 11:27 PM (bfpzm)

11 Too much content....

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 02, 2015 11:29 PM (NaeCR)

12 Howdy.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 02, 2015 11:29 PM (eMymG)

13 The one guy disappeared after telling folks to get off his lawn. Be careful morons

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 02, 2015 11:29 PM (QvClr)

14 I think "D.B. Cooper" probably died in the fall.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 02, 2015 11:30 PM (eMymG)

15 Obama is such a dbag

Posted by: Lauren at November 02, 2015 11:31 PM (GZ6Pf)

16 The only person happy about the situation is the lone neo-Nazi on the city council who's convinced that it will finally bring the villagers around to his point of view.

Not sure if that's a joke or not, but it sure as hell would make me start taking Nazism more seriously, if I lived there.

Posted by: rickl at November 02, 2015 11:31 PM (sdi6R)

17 I don't give a damn about Russia right now. I actually hope Putin slaps the Half Black Cracker around a bit in his last year as President.

Our greatest enemy is the US government.

Posted by: Blano at November 02, 2015 11:31 PM (C3E0x)

18 Europe is killing itself....yada, yada, yada.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 02, 2015 11:31 PM (eMymG)

19 Sadly, Mr. Kasparov, the enemies of the free world are also gathering in Paris for two weeks starting the end of November.

I look forward to my prime earning years being smothered by carbon taxes and windmill subsidies.

Some semblance of economic freedom had a nice sixty years or so, I hear.

Posted by: who could want more than 0.1% GDP growth anyway, you greedy greedies at November 02, 2015 11:32 PM (8bZvl)

20 Progressive Democracy Isn't

A principal, at a San Francisco middle school, suspended the results of the student body election because the winner's "weren't diverse enough." There was no claim of cheating or of the election itself being questionable. Yet the democratic results were considered illegitimate because the majority of the winners were White, though Whites are only about 20% of the student body.

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=10249

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 02, 2015 11:33 PM (vBeA5)

21 Hey, where all da white wimmen at?

Posted by: Sheriff Bart at November 02, 2015 11:33 PM (RU5ki)

22 Since I got willowed, from the prior thread:

I'm okay with "amnesty" for people who've been here long term, in good faith, without criminal activity, in productive jobs.

But only after.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 02, 2015 11:17 PM (39g3+)

No fucking way. All you do is give millions more the chance to come here and break the law for a while before they get amnestied.

Let me repeat: YOU CANNOT BE HERE ILLEGALLY AND NOT ENGAGE IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY!!!!! EVERY DAY YOU ARE HERE YOU ARE A CRIMINAL!!!!

Yet you want to eventually reward that criminal behavior. Fuck that shit.

Posted by: Blano at November 02, 2015 11:26 PM (C3E0x)

Posted by: Blano at November 02, 2015 11:34 PM (C3E0x)

23 Baby Hitler has still committed no crime, so no, I wouldn't kill him.

I would, however, consider giving weapons plans to the right people in order to make WWII end a lot sooner.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at November 02, 2015 11:35 PM (fC9RO)

24 You make me sound so shallow. I was also interested in area rugs.

Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at November 02, 2015 11:35 PM (RU5ki)

25 Aww. Out of her price range. Must have been when she was still poor.

Good thing I don't have to worry about affording lamps anymore... BECAUSE I'M FUCKING DEAD BECAUSE THAT FUCKING BITCH WOULDN'T LISTEN TO MY EMAILS!!!

Posted by: zombie Amb. Stevens at November 02, 2015 11:35 PM (REdlt)

26 Great pile of content to peruse - thanks, Meat.

Good evening, Horde. Hope your week started off better than mine!

And, the Anonymous KKK leak? Ha! They named my city's mayor as a klansman in that - funny stuff.

Posted by: NAMBLA at November 02, 2015 11:36 PM (/QyKy)

27 German Village of 102 to Get 750 Refugees

...
The only person happy about the situation is the lone neo-Nazi on the city council who's convinced that it will finally bring the villagers around to his point of view.


Or rather, the only person the NYTimes deemed narrative-friendly to interview was the 'lone neo-Nazi.'

The NYTimes found their black hat and used him as the foil for the coming destruction of Europe.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2015 11:36 PM (xrX4n)

28 Would not kill a "baby Hitler."


I don't think of killing first-hand.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 02, 2015 11:36 PM (eMymG)

29 Good Lord. The invasion map.
Thanks idiot Merkl. I thought she was supposed to be the smart one over there.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 02, 2015 11:37 PM (2x3L+)

30 Nobody puts Baby Hitler in a corner.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at November 02, 2015 11:38 PM (+1T7c)

31 If you kill baby Hitler, we'll pay top dollar for his parts.

Posted by: Planned Parenthood at November 02, 2015 11:38 PM (RU5ki)

32 there are no white women. Only beige and pink ones.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 02, 2015 11:38 PM (Xo1Rt)

33 "Hey, where all da white wimmen at?
Posted by: Sheriff Bart"


Ugh.

Same place and last night and night before and night before that.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 02, 2015 11:38 PM (eMymG)

34 in practice, the authoritarian states have abused
this access and economic interdependency to spread their corruption and
fuel repression at home.



In talking about Russia, we're talking about Washington, too.

Posted by: t-bird
And really, isn't this also the story of Barack Obama?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at November 02, 2015 11:39 PM (+1T7c)

35 Shit.
OFF, unfunny child-rape sock.
Sorry, that was me.

Posted by: Chi at November 02, 2015 11:39 PM (/QyKy)

36 If you're a dem and in the kkk. No big deal look at Robert Byrd

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 02, 2015 11:39 PM (2zd9l)

37 Assuming a fixed timeline where it was inevitable that baby Hitler would become the Adolf Hitler that we know from from WWII, then yes I would kill baby Hitler. I wouldn't enjoy it but it would be a necessary and morally justifiable act.

Posted by: Maetenloch at November 02, 2015 11:40 PM (pAlYe)

38 RE: Halloween parties being insensitive...

Why won't the left just give us the whole list of words and activities to be banned?

This incrementalism is killing me.

Posted by: RKae at November 02, 2015 11:41 PM (gxhW0)

39 My comment in the previous thread of being okay with amnesty, did have one big caveat and that's that they have to build the barrier before any amnesty.

without the barrier, any attempts to self deport will fail because they will just return.

Plus by giving in on the amnesty but demanding the wall maybe gets us the wall. Then we'll work from there.

That said, if anyone can manage to corral and deport the millions already here, I'll sign up to volunteer to help.

No. Problemo.

I'm just trying to be realistic here. And BTW, I won't accept promises of building a wall. The wall must actually be built before any amnesty and the Border patrol put back doing what they're supposed to do which is keep out trespassers.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 02, 2015 11:42 PM (Xo1Rt)

40 Germany will go full Hitler again but this time it will be the Muslims not the Jews that wind up in the camps. Or maybe the Muslims will put the Germans in the camps?

This is so insane.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 02, 2015 11:42 PM (2x3L+)

41 Thanks idiot Merkl. I thought she was supposed to be the smart one over there.

The brilliant Merkel, it must be pointed out, freaked out over the possibility of tsunamis hitting landlocked German nuclear reactors, so, no, the voluntarily-hard-left fuckhead was obviously never very bright.

Posted by: Energiewende ... you change your energy state when you die at November 02, 2015 11:43 PM (8bZvl)

42 If you turned off the Colts/Panthers game thinking it was over, turn that shit back on.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at November 02, 2015 11:43 PM (5LHtI)

43 I want my... 

I want my... 

I want my

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Posted by: The Overnigth Hat at November 02, 2015 11:21 PM (vBeA5)

---

Reading between the lines, you want to be a woman. This is a cry for help.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 02, 2015 11:43 PM (uw9Al)

44 "Assuming a fixed timeline where it was inevitable that baby Hitler would become the Adolf Hitler that we know from from WWII, then yes I would kill baby Hitler."




See, that's just it. A good, hard lead pipe to the knee of Hitler in the streets of Vienna in the '20's might also have avoided this whole thing.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 02, 2015 11:43 PM (eMymG)

45 Interesting that the map shows a bunch of refugees coming out of Russia.

Posted by: Blano at November 02, 2015 11:43 PM (C3E0x)

46 Assuming a fixed timeline where it was inevitable that baby Hitler would become the Adolf Hitler that we know from from WWII, then yes I would kill baby Hitler. I wouldn't enjoy it but it would be a necessary and morally justifiable act.

Posted by: Maetenloch


Why not just deliever him to an orphanage?

Why is 'kill' the only and promoted option?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2015 11:44 PM (xrX4n)

47 @ 14.

I'm not sure that D.B. Cooper was in fact, killed in the fall.

If memory serves, it was more around late spring.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 02, 2015 11:45 PM (McRlu)

48 I'm trying to restart my 5k training so have to get up early. 'Night all. Take care.

Posted by: Blano at November 02, 2015 11:45 PM (C3E0x)

49 I don't always post this comic link when the subject comes up... but since it's a Current Thing...

Time Traveler's Conundrum
We had the best of intentions.
http://bit.ly/rewrite-time

Thanks for another great ONT, Maet.

Good night, Gracies!

Posted by: mindful webworker - for some reason at November 02, 2015 11:45 PM (dLr9j)

50 @38 they can only give you a brief outline. They make most of this shit as they go a long

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 02, 2015 11:46 PM (09Lhy)

51 I wouldn't enjoy it but it would be a necessary and morally justifiable act.


Posted by: Maetenloch

Somewhere in all this is a rant about the American way, fraternities and not taking this all sitting down.

But really, it isn't going to happen. There would be too many historical paradoxes to overcome if you COULD go back in time and off the little Austrian rug rat. And there still would have been the Nazi movement rising in the 1920's, and somebody just as evil and psychopathic that came to power.

What was his buddy's name in the Brownshirts? Ernest Rohm?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at November 02, 2015 11:47 PM (+1T7c)

52 Why not just deliever him to an orphanage?
Why is 'kill' the only and promoted option?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2015 11:44 PM (xrX4n)


Well it depends on how robust Hitler's path in the timeline is. Killing him is one way to be absolutely sure that it will not be realized.

Posted by: Maetenloch at November 02, 2015 11:48 PM (pAlYe)

53 Why not just deliever him to an orphanage?

Why is 'kill' the only and promoted option?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2015 11:44 PM (xrX4n)

Or..we send him somewhere where he can do harm, and no harm can come to him.

There *are* worse alternatives.

Posted by: G-Man at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (wZ2hu)

54 So kill Hitler; have the Communists take over Germany and with its manufacturing base and Soviet manpower, they take over Europe etc.

I'd let the little f#cker live unless you could run through multiple time-line scenarios to show it wouldn't end up worse.

I vaguely recall a Star Trek: Voyager where dad Red from That 70s Show was a senior bureaucrat of a time-mastering race who were constantly changing history on a galactic scale because they wanted to achieve some specific goal but it never worked out because it always changed something else and for them getting (say) 97.948% of the goal achieved wasn't good enough.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (HbSdt)

55 No orphanage could hold Der Fuhrer.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (RU5ki)

56 If you had Ace's time machine, which doesn't exist, you could make millions on the stock market, and then just buy Hitler's shitty paintings so he becomes a semi-successful artist while he's in Vienna so you don't have to kill him as a baby.

If he tries to parlay his successful artistry into a political career, then he gets run over in a mysterious stainless-steel-gullwing-door-car accident.

Posted by: it's all very clear at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (8bZvl)

57 Speaking of killing Hitler...

My NaNoWriMo project is picking up an old book I was writing called The Department of Time Tourism.

Time travel and bureaucracy. Yay.

Posted by: Lauren at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (bYGAR)

58
Assuming a fixed timeline where it was inevitable that baby Hitler would become the
Adolf Hitler that we know from from WWII, then yes I would kill baby
Hitler. I wouldn't enjoy it but it would be a necessary and morally
justifiable act.


Posted by: Maetenloch at November 02, 2015 11:40 PM (pAlYe)


Why is this kind of thing never about Stalin or Mao?

Posted by: cm9000 at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (2TUVm)

59 What was his buddy's name in the Brownshirts? Ernest Rohm?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at November 02, 2015 11:47 PM (+1T7c)


It would be fabulous!

Posted by: Ernst Röhm at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (vBeA5)

60 Tie game in Carolina, as time in regulation runs out.

What a hot mess of a game.

Gruden will momentarily be rolling out a plethora of football cliches.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at November 02, 2015 11:50 PM (+1T7c)

61 49 I don't always post this comic link when the subject comes up... but since it's a Current Thing...
----------------------
Ohm My Goodness.
I hope Muldoon isnt around - otherwise, we're going to be subjected to electricity puns for the next hour...

Posted by: Chi at November 02, 2015 11:50 PM (/QyKy)

62 "If memory serves, it was more around late spring."



So he landed safe and free.....and never spent any of his caper?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 02, 2015 11:50 PM (eMymG)

63 Why is this kind of thing never about Stalin or Mao?
Posted by: cm9000 at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (2TUVm)


Hey start your own damn hashtag campaign instead of complaining about the one we have to play with.

Posted by: Maetenloch at November 02, 2015 11:50 PM (pAlYe)

64 Germany will go full Hitler again but this time it will be the Muslims not the Jews that wind up in the camps. Or maybe the Muslims will put the Germans in the camps?

This is so insane.

Posted by: L, Elle


Insane, yes. But Germany is committing suicide as a matter of faith. The only fanatical narrative they are capable of is pathological pacifism. They are psychologically incapable of defending their sovereignty.

It will be a long, slow slide, but Germany and many other EU states are done.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2015 11:50 PM (xrX4n)

65 No orphanage could hold Der Fuhrer.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (RU5ki)


*smiles*

Posted by: Kinderheim 551 at November 02, 2015 11:51 PM (vBeA5)

66 Why is this kind of thing never about Stalin or Mao?

They had better press agents, literally.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 02, 2015 11:51 PM (YJmuy)

67 A good, hard lead pipe to the knee of Hitler in the streets of Vienna in the '20's might also have avoided this whole thing.
Aaah. The Harding Gambit.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 02, 2015 11:51 PM (HbSdt)

68 There was a pivotal historical moment when the senior leadership of the GDR abruptly foresaw that the tottering Soviet Union was gasping its last, and that the Warsaw Pact would inevitably disintegrate, and that the GDR's populace would demand reunification with the hated West Germany, and that there was no way to stop any of this.

A crushing realization. They had dedicated themselves to a futile cause. They had wasted their lives on flawed ideology. Marx, Engels and Lenin had been wrong. Dialectical materialism was a dead end. The Western capitalist assholes would win after all.

So they created Angela Merkel as a long-term slow-motion political _Vergeltungswaffen_ to eventually destroy the reunified German state, by submerging it into the Third World.

"The Westerners think they have achieved victory over us? We will turn it to ashes in their mouths."

Posted by: torquewrench at November 02, 2015 11:51 PM (noWW6)

69 No, don't kill the baby Hitler. Just export him to Peruvia.

No Brownshirts there, but rumor has it they've several fabulous shades of fuscia.

And after all, wasn't Hitler a Fuscist?



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 02, 2015 11:51 PM (McRlu)

70 "Why won't the left just give us the whole list of words and activities to be banned? "

Because they're making it up as they go along.

Posted by: Lauren at November 02, 2015 11:51 PM (bYGAR)

71 Time travel & bureaucracy, I can't see anything bad happening there

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 02, 2015 11:52 PM (UiGnh)

72 Well it depends on how robust Hitler's path in the timeline is. Killing him is one way to be absolutely sure that it will not be realized.
Posted by: Maetenloch at November 02, 2015 11:48 PM (pAlYe)

Destiny struggles to reassert the pattern that is meant to be.

Posted by: From the Dean Koontz "Lightning" at November 02, 2015 11:52 PM (wZ2hu)

73 The naive idea was that the free world would use economic and social ties to gradually liberalize authoritarian states. in practice, the authoritarian states have abused this access and economic interdependency to spread their corruption and fuel repression at home.

-- Gary Kasparov in Winter Is Coming: Why Vladimir Putin and the Enemies of the Free World Must be Stopped


They haven't abused anything. They used the access and free cash as anyone with a brain would have expected. Enriching totalitarian societies has never been known to weaken the rulers.

The idea was that opening up the flow of information would have led the people to revolt but look at what this nation has done to itself with "fee and open" information. We can't even impeach a treasonous and retarded third world criminal because of the "free and open information" that would cast all the decent and civilized people as "raaacists!!!". SO, instead, we have allowed this nation to be killed and a Sukarno-clone, 84 IQ dictator to do any damn thing he wants - and destroy us is exactly what he wants (and has been clear from the start).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2015 11:52 PM (zc3Db)

74 Yeah, Ernst was a bit light in the loafers. IYKWIM

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 02, 2015 11:52 PM (Xo1Rt)

75 German Village of 102 to Get 750 Refugees

Can't say I really give a shit. Germany can blow me.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2015 11:53 PM (zc3Db)

76 I see Pajama Boy when I hear Ira Glass.

Posted by: profligatewaste at November 02, 2015 11:53 PM (+gatN)

77 Has O'Reilly ready written Killing Hitler? Someone here should beat him to it.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 02, 2015 11:53 PM (2x3L+)

78 There was a book or short story written about all this,

"The Big Time", by Fritz Lieber


Yeah, it never works out the way you think it will. A couple of alien races were always trying to manipulate human history for their advantage, and had teams of humans from both sides of WWII, that they kept sending back to fix things the way they liked.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at November 02, 2015 11:53 PM (+1T7c)

79 I hope those dipshit protesters at the game tonight have the book thrown at them.

Posted by: buzzion at November 02, 2015 11:54 PM (zt+N6)

80 the wheel of time weaves the lives of the world into a weft and warp of interconnected patterns all of them directed at a certain goal determined by the overmind.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 02, 2015 11:54 PM (Xo1Rt)

81 Well it depends on how robust Hitler's path in the timeline is. Killing him is one way to be absolutely sure that it will not be realized.

Posted by: Maetenloch


yes, but we always acknowledge that our given position in time is not omnipotent, yes.

If you somehow found yourself transported back to 18twicketythree, and found the Hilter/Schicklgruber household, you would have no divine insight into how fixed or fluid the future would be at that point.

You wouldn't know because you can't know now or then.

So why not just deliver him out of a chaotic household upbringing and to an orphanage?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2015 11:54 PM (xrX4n)

82 first greece, now this.

Posted by: north and judd at November 02, 2015 11:55 PM (f3K9g)

83 A Hitler baby?? Lord Vigo, the Scourge of Carpathia, is looking for a baby.

Posted by: Dr. Janosz Poha at November 02, 2015 11:55 PM (JO9+V)

84 note in that story about the german village and the refugees how quickly the story goes from the absurdity of what's happening to right wing overreach (which incidentally is the main thrust of the story)

Posted by: the real ch3 at November 02, 2015 11:55 PM (3Scwj)

85 And this was linked in one of the Hitler tweets, above, that also discusses non-murder ways of circumventing Hitler. (Including buying his paintings.)

http://www.tor.com/2011/08/31/wikihistory/

Spoiler. It doesn't work out.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 02, 2015 11:55 PM (HbSdt)

86 So if time machines have ever been invented in the future, this shit is the best we can possibly do by now?

Posted by: surely something better than Titanic would've won an Oscar at November 02, 2015 11:55 PM (8bZvl)

87 >>>My NaNoWriMo project is picking up an old book I was writing called The Department of Time Tourism.



Time travel and bureaucracy. Yay.

Posted by: Lauren at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (bYGAR)<<<
Well, that'll make waiting forever online for your time travel license acceptable, because you can just time travel back to when you started.

Brilliant.

Posted by: Department of Temporal Vehicles at November 02, 2015 11:55 PM (REdlt)

88 Well, I agree the Germans are just asking for trouble. Still I feel for those villagers.

Life just got super interesting for them.

Maybe even terminal.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 02, 2015 11:56 PM (Xo1Rt)

89 Given a time machine would you go back and kill baby Hitler?

Without a pause. But that wouldn't change anything. It was Germany and German society that committed the Holocaust, not Hitler on his own. It was going to happen, no matter what.

What would have stopped it, though, would have been France and Britain enforcing the surrender obligations from WWI. But that was too much of a hassle ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 02, 2015 11:56 PM (zc3Db)

90 "Time travel & bureaucracy, I can't see anything bad happening there"



It's 2050 and you're late on your taxes. Pay up.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 02, 2015 11:57 PM (eMymG)

91 If you had a bona fide time machine, and you were going back to eliminate someone in 20th century history with the intention of saving lives, doing away with Stalin or Mao would make more sense than Hitler from a purely quantitative point of view.

My target of choice? Not one of the big marquee names.

Gavrilo Princip.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 02, 2015 11:57 PM (noWW6)

92 Has O'Reilly ready written Killing Hitler? Someone here should beat him to it.


Posted by: L, Elle

Or... just beat him. For the folks, of course.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at November 02, 2015 11:58 PM (+1T7c)

93 Yeah. That Neo Nazi can't be allowed to be correct.

Even though he was.

And isn't it interesting that the very first thing responsible nations began to do was . . . build a wall (or barbed wire fence).

note the charity finding out that the "refugees" were actually economic opportunists. And they're all young males. A sure recipe for trouble.

Plus even better is that they've "lost" thousands. They've slipped away and they don't know where they went.

I wonder what they're up to?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 02, 2015 11:59 PM (Xo1Rt)

94 yes, but we always acknowledge that our given position in time is not omnipotent, yes.
If you somehow found yourself transported back to 18twicketythree, and found the Hilter/Schicklgruber household, you would have no divine insight into how fixed or fluid the future would be at that point.
You wouldn't know because you can't know now or then.
So why not just deliver him out of a chaotic household upbringing and to an orphanage?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2015 11:54 PM (xrX4n)


It's all fucking hypothetical so don't tell me what I know or don't know. *I* get to choose the parameters of my mental exercise. You have no power there.

And what if I did know with metaphysical certainty what the outcome of A. Hitler's life would be if left unchanged? What then? Could you really be sure that an orphanage would be enough to alter the course?

Posted by: Maetenloch at November 02, 2015 11:59 PM (pAlYe)

95 Obama's DHS has a plan to give everyone physically in the US a work visa. Literally every single person. This is his way around the amnesty injunction.

Un-fucking believable.

Posted by: Magic Johnson at November 02, 2015 11:59 PM (0LHZx)

96 Off Magic sock

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at November 03, 2015 12:00 AM (0LHZx)

97 I made the mistake of buying O'Reilly's book Killing Hitler. What a juvenile piece of crap it was.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 03, 2015 12:00 AM (RU5ki)

98 "The Harding Gambit."



I really don't know that the means other than an alternative take upon historical events. If I could knocked Hitler the fuck out on the streets of Vienna with anyting I could find handy in 1923........yeah, I would have.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 03, 2015 12:00 AM (eMymG)

99 If you had a bona fide time machine, and you were going back to eliminate someone in 20th century history with the intention of saving lives, doing away with Stalin or Mao would make more sense than Hitler from a purely quantitative point of view.

My target of choice? Not one of the big marquee names.

Gavrilo Princip.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 02, 2015 11:57 PM (noWW6)


Why not go back to Hegel? His dialectical idiocy spawned both communism and fascism.

Posted by: The Unilectical Hat at November 03, 2015 12:00 AM (vBeA5)

100 Because #Science ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/661232245177507845

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/661232449821741056

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/661232619946909696

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/661232892052418560


https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/661233039972966400

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/661233249243541504

Posted by: kbdabear at November 03, 2015 12:00 AM (GrXXa)

101 With that machine I would make sure jeff goldblum stayed deceased. And I would save buzzion from certain death

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (ZZgPW)

102 Jimmy Hoffa


Time Traveller, went home. Back to the future.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (OlaOu)

103 Queen Victoria.

Her prolonged mourning for her dead husband upset and unnerved England to the point that they screwed up their Empire.

Thus inviting the arms race with Germany in the lead.

The murder of the Austrian Prince was just an incidental. Other causes would've been found or used.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (Xo1Rt)

104 Gavrilo Princip.
Right on! Then we wouldn't have to put up with Hector. Princip was Hector's great-great-great Servian grandfather wasn't he?

Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (HbSdt)

105 I remember something, don't remember if it was an actual novel or just some musings, but it was that our history is the optimum from the circumstances. No matter what you do by trying to change the past, it makes the future worse.

So if you kill Hitler, the result would be more horror than actually happened.

Then there was a novel I think, about preventing the assassination of JFK. The future turned out far worse.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (dvuhZ)

106 >>>>> Insane, yes. But Germany is committing suicide as a matter of faith. The only fanatical narrative they are capable of is pathological pacifism. They are psychologically incapable of defending their sovereignty.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2015 11:50 PM
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Maybe it's all some version of white guilt like we have here over slavery except it's Nazi guilt for them. They seem hell bent on proving to the world they aren't Nazis anymore and the supposed Syrians are their vehicle for redeeming themselves by laying down? Like the Japanese after their surrender?

I have no idea. None of this makes any sense.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (2x3L+)

107 How come no one wants to go back and whack baby Stalin or Mao?

Posted by: Octiparan at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (g5IwS)

108 Remember Hitler was the guy who kille Hitler... but then he was also the guy who killed the guy who killed Hitler... but then...

Posted by: The Killin' Hat at November 03, 2015 12:02 AM (vBeA5)

109 Un-fucking believable.


Posted by: Magic Johnson


You should be thanking me. You get to keep your job. For now.


You're welcome.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Soetoro Obama Smith at November 03, 2015 12:02 AM (+1T7c)

110 54 So kill Hitler; have the Communists take over Germany and with its manufacturing base and Soviet manpower, they take over Europe etc.

I'd let the little f#cker live unless you could run through multiple time-line scenarios to show it wouldn't end up worse.

I vaguely recall a Star Trek: Voyager where dad Red from That 70s Show was a senior bureaucrat of a time-mastering race who were constantly changing history on a galactic scale because they wanted to achieve some specific goal but it never worked out because it always changed something else and for them getting (say) 97.948% of the goal achieved wasn't good enough.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 02, 2015 11:49 PM (HbSdt)



The thing was that he wanted his wife back. That was his obsession. He created the, I guess you would call it a "Chrono-Eraser" to benefit his people but when he did that it destroyed the planet his wife was on, so he kept trying to fix that no matter how beneficial he made things for his species.

Posted by: buzzion at November 03, 2015 12:02 AM (zt+N6)

111 91 If you had a bona fide time machine, and you were going back to eliminate someone in 20th century history with the intention of saving lives, doing away with Stalin or Mao would make more sense than Hitler from a purely quantitative point of view.

My target of choice? Not one of the big marquee names.

Gavrilo Princip.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 02, 2015 11:57 PM (noWW6)

Europe was on the path to WWI for at least a decade in the run up to Sarajevo. Princip was just the dumb sap that threw the switch. Even without him the war would have broken out eventually

Posted by: the real ch3 at November 03, 2015 12:02 AM (3Scwj)

112 And what if I did know with metaphysical certainty what the outcome of A. Hitler's life would be if left unchanged?
Posted by: Maetenloch


How?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 12:02 AM (xrX4n)

113 "first greece, now this."


More coming. Italy. That's the matzo ball. Then it really get's shitty.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 03, 2015 12:02 AM (eMymG)

114 HOW DID GINN DROP THAT

Posted by: the real ch3 at November 03, 2015 12:02 AM (3Scwj)

115 Even the death of Hitler wouldn't have been a sure thing to stop the Nazis. Martyrs have started plenty of wars.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:03 AM (Xo1Rt)

116 Hey everybody.

Surprised everyone is obsessed with Baby Hitler. The question that IMHO is *really* relevant to our group is...

if you had the opportunity, would you kill Baby Hillary?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:03 AM (ntObR)

117 I really don't know [what] that the means
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonya_Harding#January_1994_incident

Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:04 AM (HbSdt)

118 Another ONT, another day that Maet failed to regale us with his traveler's tales -- despite saying that he would, when he first came back. I've been so looking forward to "Travels into Several Remote Nations of the World. In Four Parts." I pine for descriptions of the fair Laputa, or the Country of the Houyhnhnms. I even understand Barcelona might be involved. But I remember that we were promised Maetenloch's Travels.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 12:04 AM (EzgxV)

119 Killing baby Hitler might be the worst that could be done, you could end up with the same timeline but with a new German leader who was not an inept micro-manager.

Might be a better ploy to get some more weapons into Warsaw (and other locals much earlier) to effect a more effective insurrection... maybe other ways to redirect resources from the fronts.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 03, 2015 12:05 AM (NaeCR)

120 I dunno. Buzzion has provided us with many interesting insights from the Beyond.

That stuff about Ovaltine is a bit weird, I'll admit, but otherwise he's been a useful ambassador to the Other Place.

Posted by: let's not be hasty now at November 03, 2015 12:05 AM (8bZvl)

121 112 And what if I did know with metaphysical certainty what the outcome of A. Hitler's life would be if left unchanged?
Posted by: Maetenloch
How?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 12:02 AM (xrX4n)


And how do *you* know that we can't?

You sure do seem awfully sure about this whole time travel business - you got a machine and holding out on us? Cause you seem like the type who would bogart the time mobile....

Posted by: Maetenloch at November 03, 2015 12:05 AM (pAlYe)

122 Maybe it's all some version of white guilt like we have here over slavery except it's Nazi guilt for them. They seem hell bent on proving to the world they aren't Nazis anymore and the supposed Syrians are their vehicle for redeeming themselves by laying down? Like the Japanese after their surrender?

I have no idea. None of this makes any sense.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (2x3L+)


At least the Japanese have the wherewithall to build robots instead of importing millions of Chinese men who hate Japan with a passion...

Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at November 03, 2015 12:05 AM (vBeA5)

123 "Remember Hitler was the guy who kille Hitler... but then he was also the guy who killed the guy who killed Hitler... but then..."



That was just a bad movie, Hat.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 03, 2015 12:05 AM (eMymG)

124 Steiner will come.

Posted by: A. Hitler at November 03, 2015 12:06 AM (RU5ki)

125 Had a thought. Poor thing nearly died from loneliness.

What if time travel is only possible to jump to the future? And every time a new traveller arrives they're promptly locked up for failure to pay taxes since they "left" the past?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 03, 2015 12:06 AM (YJmuy)

126 **Top 5 Craziest Things That Would Have Happened If Baby Hitler Had Been Killed**

5. Sushi would be cooked, not raw

4. FDR would have lived another 30 years and become an Olympic Gold Medalist in the 40-Yard Dash

3. Chai tea would be called Thai tea, and Thai food would be called Chai food

2. Lena Dunham would be pretty

1. The program "Twin Peaks" would have made sense.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:07 AM (ntObR)

127 Another ONT, another day that Maet failed to regale
us with his traveler's tales -- despite saying that he would, when he
first came back. I've been so looking forward to "Travels into Several
Remote Nations of the World. In Four Parts." I pine for descriptions of
the fair Laputa, or the Country of the Houyhnhnms. I even understand
Barcelona might be involved. But I remember that we were promised Maetenloch's Travels.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 12:04 AM (EzgxV)


You were expecting The Canterbury Tales?

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 03, 2015 12:07 AM (JO9+V)

128 105 I remember something, don't remember if it was an actual novel or just some musings, but it was that our history is the optimum from the circumstances. No matter what you do by trying to change the past, it makes the future worse.

So if you kill Hitler, the result would be more horror than actually happened.

Then there was a novel I think, about preventing the assassination of JFK. The future turned out far worse.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (dvuhZ)

In the old RTS game "Command and Conquer: Red Alert", Albert Einstein went back in time and "dealt with" Hitler after he was released from prison. However, during the '40s and half of the '50s, the Soviet Union built up its military (after the Stalinist purges, obviously) and started a campaign for a "Continental Soviet Union - from coast to coast!").

Posted by: Thrawn at November 03, 2015 12:07 AM (wZ2hu)

129 They are psychologically incapable of defending their sovereignty.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 02, 2015 11:50 PM

That might apply to their socialist politicians but I think the German in the street will be ready and willing to do so regardless of what they say.

Let the problem get a bit larger and a few deaths come about attributable to roving bands of young Muslims and then we'll see a change that even Merkel won't be able to stop.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:07 AM (Xo1Rt)

130 Germans are proving they don't hate Jews by importing millions of Muslims who hate Jews.

Makes sense.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at November 03, 2015 12:07 AM (0LHZx)

131 #110 Thanks, Spirit of Buzzion. I don't know if I even watched the whole episode and you just saved me looking up Red's IMDB bio to find the episode name and look it up. That's a real time saver for me.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:07 AM (HbSdt)

132 Europe in general is done (mathematically). Moslems are already having about 5 kids per 2 parents, while the natives are having about 1.5 per 2 parents.

Posted by: OP at November 03, 2015 12:08 AM (TzeLs)

133 so is the USA willing to take in all the white and black Europeans who flee the islamo invasion?

if not why not?

oh and howdy,


Jake

Posted by: Jake at November 03, 2015 12:08 AM (QelBn)

134 Martyrs have started plenty of wars.
That's why you kill baby Hitler. Duh!

Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:09 AM (HbSdt)

135 Another ONT, another day that Maet failed to regale us with his traveler's tales -- despite saying that he would, when he first came back.

That takes effort and free time. Both of which I've been short on since I got back.

Posted by: Maetenloch at November 03, 2015 12:09 AM (pAlYe)

136 How come no one wants to go back and whack baby Stalin or Mao?

Posted by: Octiparan at November 03, 2015 12:01 AM (g5IwS)


Forget Stalin, it was Lenin who was the problem (if one can pinpoint such a problem). And who shipped Lenin back to Russia to get the whole communism thing going?


As to Mao ... he really wasn't much of a change for China, in terms of how the population was dealt with by the ruler. Same is true for Russia and their dictators. These societies have always loved having ruthless dictators treating them like shit. They've been that way since each nation was first established.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 03, 2015 12:10 AM (zc3Db)

137 "Killing baby Hitler might be the worst that could be done, you could end up with the same timeline but with a new German leader who was not an inept micro-manager. "




Maybe. I don't understand the appeal. But, apparently, at that time, few other could get it. Free people so easily swindled into a death pact.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 03, 2015 12:10 AM (eMymG)

138
And how do *you* know that we can't?

Posted by: Maetenloch


I don't. I'm not proposing anything to a metaphysical certainty. The authors of the rubric are.

Again, how could you possibly know that the baby in front of you would become the singular monster?

You can't unless you are to claim some kind of divinity.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 12:10 AM (xrX4n)

139 In furtherance to my statement at 132 - thats why here in the US when they talk about the "horrible, shocking" teen pregnancy. I'm thinking, breed like rabbits. Throw out about 5 of those things.

Posted by: OP at November 03, 2015 12:11 AM (TzeLs)

140 Anyway, if any of you assholes accidentally kill baby kbdabear instead of Hitler things will go right Manhattan ...

Posted by: compliance pic fanatic at November 03, 2015 12:11 AM (8bZvl)

141 How about England giving Poland some mechanized infantry instead of freaking horses and mules?

That blitzkreig would've maybe gotten stopped in their tracks.

Even Hitler was surprised it worked so well and that the Allies did nothing about it.

And that was the major cause of WWII; hesitancy, apathy and procrastination on the part of the allies.

That and the unknown aiding and abetting of Stalin. It's right and just that the Russians lost so many in that war. As they had a dominant say in the war's beginning.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:11 AM (Xo1Rt)

142 131 #110 Thanks, Spirit of Buzzion. I don't know if I even watched the whole episode and you just saved me looking up Red's IMDB bio to find the episode name and look it up. That's a real time saver for me.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:07 AM (HbSdt)



I believe the episode was the "Year of Hell" 2-Parter.

Posted by: buzzion at November 03, 2015 12:11 AM (zt+N6)

143 67 A good, hard lead pipe to the knee of Hitler in the streets of Vienna in the '20's might also have avoided this whole thing.
Aaah. The Harding Gambit.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 02, 2015 11:51 PM (HbSdt)



.....und dis Bitch on ice skates whacks me in the knee und says, "I am redeemed!" before disappearing in ein burst of multicolored snow....

Posted by: middle-aged Hitler with a cane at November 03, 2015 12:11 AM (EzgxV)

144 Well, I for one hope SMOD can put off coming for at least a few more years, now that I *finally* figured out how to make good buffalo wings at home.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:12 AM (ntObR)

145 Martyrs have started plenty of wars.
That's why you kill baby Hitler. Duh!

Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:09 AM (HbSdt)


Just make sure you are thurough...

Posted by: Herod at November 03, 2015 12:12 AM (vBeA5)

146 Killing McKinley ended O'Reilly's best seller run.

Posted by: cm9000 at November 03, 2015 12:12 AM (2TUVm)

147 All rigtht. Gotta, hasta.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 03, 2015 12:12 AM (eMymG)

148 Again, how could you possibly know that the baby in front of you would become the singular monster?

You can't unless you are to claim some kind of divinity.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 12:10 AM (xrX4n)

******

This is presupposed at the beginning of this whole entirely fictional exercise.

What is it about this fact that bothers you so much?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 03, 2015 12:13 AM (3XSkD)

149 I think in years to come, Angela Merkel will come to be a reviled figure in the pantheon of German politicians.

Of course, I read today that (paraphrasing) Joshka Fischer, that this resistance to the immigrants is merely "right wing" hate groups.

From that I gather that the Marxists plan to profit from this immigrant chaos in some way. (taps chin) .....How would they do that?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:13 AM (+1T7c)

150 Anyone here ever seen "The Boys From Brazil"?

It actually kinda/sorta of answers the "Baby Hitler" question.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:13 AM (ntObR)

151 Surprised how many people don't know...

"Merkel" is German for "Carter."

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:14 AM (ntObR)

152 How about killing Neville Chamberlain instead?

Posted by: buzzion at November 03, 2015 12:14 AM (zt+N6)

153 and another thing. Time only goes in one direction; forward. So you can't go 'back' to the past. If you could go 'back' to the past it wouldn't be the past, it would still be your future, 'cuz you've never been to the past before.

So. obviously if you go 'back' to the 'past' you are really creating an alternate timeline. You can't change the 'past' because it has already happened. You can only change the future.

See?

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 12:14 AM (OlaOu)

154 Muslims are having so many babies because the Muslim women are effectively breeding slaves.

Say what you will, Islam has been a very effective political-Religious motivator for conquest.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:14 AM (Xo1Rt)

155 Okay, waitadamnminutehere.

Maet just returned from a trip to the very regions that we're discussing in this here "kill the baby with the strange mustache" exercise.

....and he won't say a word about his time "over there", either.

Coincidence?

Or does Maet have some 'splainin' to do?



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 03, 2015 12:15 AM (McRlu)

156 You can't unless you are to claim some kind of divinity.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 12:10 AM (xrX4n)


Sigh. Must I explain the whole concept of a thought experiment to you or are you always this literal-minded?

Posted by: Maetenloch at November 03, 2015 12:16 AM (pAlYe)

157 Waaaaahhhhh... Bill Belichick deflated that ball which led to the interception which led to Carolina's game winning drive!!!

Posted by: Andrew Luck and the Colts at November 03, 2015 12:17 AM (REdlt)

158 What if time travel is only possible to jump to the future? and for #153
I saw some Discovery show about time travel a long time ago and one physicist said you'd only be able to use the time machine in era's when the time machine exists and not be able to go into the past before the machine had been invented. So that's kinda like that too. (I don't know the tax-paying implications of that.)

Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:17 AM (HbSdt)

159 and another thing. Time only goes in one direction;
forward. So you can't go 'back' to the past. If you could go 'back' to
the past it wouldn't be the past, it would still be your future, 'cuz
you've never been to the past before.



So. obviously if you go 'back' to the 'past' you are really creating
an alternate timeline. You can't change the 'past' because it has
already happened. You can only change the future.



See?

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 12:14 AM (OlaOu)

It can be done. All it takes is this one weird trick . . .

Posted by: Doc Brown and Marty McFly at November 03, 2015 12:17 AM (JO9+V)

160 You want to save millions from misery and war?

Kill baby Mo.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 03, 2015 12:17 AM (YJmuy)

161 Maet. did you leave the door open for the "refugees"?

Now look at all the dirt and trash they tracked through the house.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:17 AM (Xo1Rt)

162 You can't unless you are to claim some kind of divinity.


Posted by: weft cut-loop


Well, you could always use the King Herod gambit.

Kill every child within a certain age.

And there were certainly thoughts later among assassin conspiracists in Germany that Hitler was protected by Satan, such was his luck in missing getting killed several times.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:17 AM (+1T7c)

163 How about killing Neville Chamberlain instead?

Posted by: buzzion at November 03, 2015 12:14 AM (zt+N6)


Read an interesting alternate history where Lord Halifax replaced Chamberlin instead of Churchill.

Resulted in Japan starving to deat, Berlin being hit with anthrax weapons, Normandy rejoinging the UK, lots and lots of nukes, and the Anglo-American alliance monopolizing space with the threat of destroying anyone who disagreed with a mass driver of DOOM

Posted by: The Alternate Hat at November 03, 2015 12:18 AM (vBeA5)

164 Time travel is an open question in physics. Most believe in their gut it is impossible, because causal violations lead to well, a truly unpredictable chaos.

In the language of General Relativity, time travel is possible when the spacetime admits what is known as "closed time-like curves", (CTLCs) these are world lines that close back in on themselves. IOW, you follow a path through spacetime that brings you back in contact at the same event as your past self.

That is a problem. Einstein didn't believe it was possible, but Godel (who was a genius, but batshit crazy) actually showed Einstein a solution to the EFE (Einstein Field Equations, governing equation of GR), now dubbed the Godel Metric, that allowed such CTLCs.

The problem with such a spacetime is it becomes acasual, meaning it can no longer be evolved, once the region with CTLCs forms. Anything could happen.

This doesn't involve causality violations, even. The spacetime woudl fail mathematically at that. You can have a temporal loops, sort of the kissing cousin of the grandfather paradox.

Rather than going back in time and killing your grandfather, you go back in time and save your grandfather. Or hell, as one episode of Futurama had it, you go back in time and fuck and impregnate your own grandmother, truly becomming your own grandpa. Think about that one a while.

At any rate, in an acausal spacetime, any number of such loops are possible, meaning stuff that can't be determined from initial conditions can exist. That is the meaning of acausal.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 03, 2015 12:18 AM (dvuhZ)

165 Posted by: Maetenloch at November 03, 2015 12:16 AM (pAlYe)

He's just being, how you say, a pedantic punctilious dick.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:18 AM (Xo1Rt)

166 People talk about the NFC East being bad. Good God how about the AFC South. Colts are still tied for first with only 3 wins.

Posted by: buzzion at November 03, 2015 12:18 AM (zt+N6)

167 125 Had a thought. Poor thing nearly died from loneliness.

What if time travel is only possible to jump to the future? And every time a new traveller arrives they're promptly locked up for failure to pay taxes since they "left" the past?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 03, 2015 12:06 AM (YJmuy)




Sounds vaguely like Heinlein's "The Door Into Summer".

Posted by: middle-aged Hitler with a cane at November 03, 2015 12:19 AM (EzgxV)

168 Well, I for one hope SMOD can put off coming for at
least a few more years, now that I *finally* figured out how to make
good buffalo wings at home.

Posted by: qdpsteve


You...are...so .....selfish.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:19 AM (+1T7c)

169 Keep it up you rubes and Maet will inflict Yoko time traveling karaoke


Cut it out

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 03, 2015 12:20 AM (gmP76)

170 Speaking of Hitler... and this is NOT a joke...

There's going to be an upcoming blu-ray release of "Triumph of the Will," completely remastered, on 12/8/2015.

Anyone here ever seen it? Supposedly one of the greatest films ever made, if you can look past its... horrific subtext.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:20 AM (ntObR)

171 127 Another ONT, another day that Maet failed to regale
us with his traveler's tales -- despite saying that he would, when he
first came back. I've been so looking forward to "Travels into Several
Remote Nations of the World. In Four Parts." I pine for descriptions of
the fair Laputa, or the Country of the Houyhnhnms. I even understand
Barcelona might be involved. But I remember that we were promised Maetenloch's Travels.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 12:04 AM (EzgxV)


You were expecting The Canterbury Tales?

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 03, 2015 12:07 AM (JO9+V)



No, that's more like Bocaccio's Decameron. I had a different literary reference in mind.

Posted by: middle-aged Hitler with a cane at November 03, 2015 12:20 AM (EzgxV)

172 Meanwhile back on the oasis . . .

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:20 AM (Xo1Rt)

173 Bossy, sorry but I can't hear ya over these delicious sauces... ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:20 AM (ntObR)

174 Muslims do understand the concept of conquest through outbreeding the natives. I read a statistic that says that one Muslim man on average is fathering 20 children with multiple wives in England. I have no idea if that's accurate, but if it's owe by half, they are all done.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:20 AM (FTf+m)

175 Sigh. Must I explain the whole concept of a thought experiment to you or are you always this literal-minded?

Posted by: Maetenloch


No, don't bother. I've already broken out the "veni vidi vici" noise makers.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 12:21 AM (xrX4n)

176 Anyone here ever seen it? Supposedly one of the greatest films ever made, if you can look past its... horrific subtext.

--------

Pant crease status: Peerless

Posted by: David Brock at November 03, 2015 12:21 AM (RU5ki)

177 Well, I for one hope SMOD can put off coming for at least a few more years, now that I *finally* figured out how to make good buffalo wings at home.

Fuck this guy in particular.

Posted by: the time-travelling chicken at November 03, 2015 12:21 AM (8bZvl)

178 91
My target of choice? Not one of the big marquee names.

Gavrilo Princip.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 02, 2015 11:57 PM (noWW6)



In late 1999, I was listening to a local talk radio show, and the topic was "Who was the most influential person of the 20th Century?" Callers were invited to nominate their choices, and of course all the usual suspects were suggested and hashed over. It was a good topic and a very entertaining show.

At almost the very end of the show, a caller named Princip. I smacked myself on the forehead and said, "OF COURSE!"

Posted by: rickl at November 03, 2015 12:22 AM (sdi6R)

179 So the belief (hope) is that something else in the laws of physics prevents the conditions from forming that would lead to CTLCs. GR doesn't forbid them, but something else will. This is known as the Chronology Protection Conjecture.

It is just that. There is no proof. There are some calculations that shows infinite energy densities would develop due to quantum field theory at a Cauchy Horizon (the boundary into CTLC regions), but as GR and QFT have not been unified (and likely won't be for a long time), you don't known if they are accurate.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 03, 2015 12:22 AM (dvuhZ)

180 Buffaloes don't HAVE wings.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:22 AM (Xo1Rt)

181 Anyone here ever seen "The Boys From Brazil"?

It actually kinda/sorta of answers the "Baby Hitler" question.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:13 AM (ntObR)


I've read the book. It's literally retarded. As in written by someone with the mentality of a 9 year old and the literary skills of a 12 year old. I can't believe some idiot bothered to make a million dollars publishing that tripe.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 12:23 AM (k9qR4)

182 *inhales* man, this is some primo shit!

Posted by: Looper and Inception at November 03, 2015 12:23 AM (JO9+V)

183 @167 125

Clinton tax code retroactive

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 03, 2015 12:23 AM (ZZgPW)

184 Manic Street Preachers? Damn, haven't thought of them since I was in the UK (about 25 years ago). Wondered what happened too them. I seem to recall they did a cover of Suicide is Painless.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 03, 2015 12:23 AM (syGA0)

185 Anyone here ever seen it? Supposedly one of the greatest films ever made, if you can look past its... horrific subtext.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:20 AM (ntObR)


Yes.

Posted by: George Lucas at November 03, 2015 12:23 AM (vBeA5)

186 Sigh. Must I explain the whole concept of a thought experiment to you or are you always this literal-minded?

Posted by: Maetenloch at November 03, 2015 12:16 AM (pAlYe)


But thought experiments have to be consistent within themselves. You have to be able to make logical deductions from within the thought experiment.

Anyway, I'd happily kill Hitler as a baby, and his parents, but the idea that that would have changed German society is farfetched. Hitler doesn't carry all blame for WWII and the horrors of it. German society had a good part to play in that and had certain predispositions to ever allow something like that to happen. WWII was not about one person. It was about a society.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 03, 2015 12:24 AM (zc3Db)

187 Snoodling, The Boys from Brazil was written by Ira Levin.

Same guy who wrote Rosemary's Baby.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:24 AM (ntObR)

188 whatevers happened can't be undone. What may happen can be changed.

We're traveling through time RIGHT NOW!!111!!!!

Just a bit slower than expected.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:24 AM (Xo1Rt)

189 135 Another ONT, another day that Maet failed to regale us with his traveler's tales -- despite saying that he would, when he first came back.

That takes effort and free time. Both of which I've been short on since I got back.

Posted by: Maetenloch at November 03, 2015 12:09 AM (pAlYe)




***Boggling at the quality of the ONTs supposedly produced without effort or free time.***



Just so long as you don't forget. I'm thinking Maetenloch's Travels will be epic!!!!

Posted by: middle-aged Hitler with a cane at November 03, 2015 12:24 AM (EzgxV)

190 I picked up a case of the crabs from acausal sex once. I hope it wasn't with my past granny... unlike Sean Connery and Alex Trebek's gran.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:24 AM (HbSdt)

191 Anyone here ever seen it? Supposedly one of the greatest films ever made, if you can look past its... horrific subtext.

Posted by: qdpsteve


I think the whole 'greatest' is qualified heavily by the 'PROPAGANDA' lead weight of a tag first and foremost.

But as conservatives we shouldn't flinch from pointing out that propaganda films are a feature of large and awful Government.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 12:25 AM (xrX4n)

192 >>>> Anyone here ever seen "The Boys From Brazil"?
-------
Is that the one with Gregory Peck? If so, it sucked.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:25 AM (FTf+m)

193 Bitter Clinger, uh, the name comes from the fact they're chicken wings made in a style originated in Buffalo, NY.

Ah never mind. You're right, I've been hoodwinked. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:25 AM (ntObR)

194 Read an interesting alternate history where Lord Halifax replaced Chamberlin instead of Churchill.

Resulted in Japan starving to deat, Berlin being hit with anthrax weapons, Normandy rejoinging the UK, lots and lots of nukes, and the Anglo-American alliance monopolizing space with the threat of destroying anyone who disagreed with a mass driver of DOOM
Posted by: The Alternate Hat at November 03, 2015 12:18 AM (vBeA5)


The Big One?

Posted by: Colorado Alex at November 03, 2015 12:25 AM (fC9RO)

195 weft-cut, true.

Critics are always careful to call "Trimph of the Will" the greatest PROPAGANDA film of all time.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:26 AM (ntObR)

196 Buffaloes don't HAVE wings.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:22 AM (Xo1Rt)


You'll wish they did...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FoaomccQJY

Posted by: Science, the cheap whore at November 03, 2015 12:26 AM (vBeA5)

197 Say what you will, Islam has been a very effective political-Religious motivator for conquest.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That


Primarily among stupid people. Saudi Arabia....what a prize. Without the oil, it's a lot of hot, dirty nothing.

A bunch of retarded cousin humpers and wife-beaters.

Indonesia: hot, dirty, poor and jungle. And overpopulated and crowded.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:26 AM (+1T7c)

198 Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:25 AM (ntObR)

You're gonna make me explain my joke?

yes. It was weak. yes. It was lame.

What did you expect?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:26 AM (Xo1Rt)

199 Red Bulls have Wings.

They even claim that they'll give you wings.

Moral of the story? Don't engage in secks with Ginger Male Bovines.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 03, 2015 12:27 AM (McRlu)

200 174
Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:20 AM (FTf+m)


and growing up with 20 other brothers and sisters with 2-6 other moms wont ever fuck a kid up in the head

Islam=poinson since 650bc

Posted by: Jake at November 03, 2015 12:27 AM (QelBn)

201 Bitter, I got your joke. :-)

I like to tell the one of the merchant who ended up in jail trying to sell "real" hot dogs to eat.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:27 AM (ntObR)

202 Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:26 AM (+1T7c)

yeah. It shows that God has a vicious sense of humor.

or He's just fcuking with us for giggles and shits.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:28 AM (Xo1Rt)

203 Someone should go back in time and eliminate Bill Belichick.

He's the most evil man ever. Somehow he keeps make us lose.

Posted by: Jim Irsay, Chuck Pagano, and Andrew Luck at November 03, 2015 12:28 AM (REdlt)

204 Snoodling, The Boys from Brazil was written by Ira Levin.

Same guy who wrote Rosemary's Baby.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:24 AM (ntObR)


Well, yes. I did say I'd read it.

The premise was bad, the execution was lame, and the ending made me want to punch a b-author's lights out. What a stupid waste of time. I'd rather read "The Berenstain Bears Sodomise Each Other For 300 Pages".

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 12:28 AM (k9qR4)

205 I read a statistic that says that one Muslim man on average is
fathering 20 children with multiple wives in England. I have no idea if
that's accurate



Sounds unlikely.

Posted by: cm9000 at November 03, 2015 12:28 AM (2TUVm)

206 Muslims do understand the concept of conquest
through outbreeding the natives. I read a statistic that says that one
Muslim man on average is fathering 20 children with multiple wives in
England. I have no idea if that's accurate, but if it's owe by half,
they are all done.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:20 AM (FTf+m)

20 seems a stretch, but when you pay people to lounge about and have kids, and pay to support those kids, that is what you are going to get. And the muslims do not see this as welfare, they see it as the infidels paying jizya (tribute).

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 03, 2015 12:28 AM (NaeCR)

207 Just a bit slower than expected.

I can get my Focus up to 88 mph, but then the cops pull me over.

Posted by: hello ossifer, I don't think this 2.0 litre Duratec produces 1.21 GW at November 03, 2015 12:28 AM (8bZvl)

208 What if time travel is only possible to jump to the future? And every time a new traveller arrives they're promptly locked up for failure to pay taxes since they "left" the past?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 03, 2015 12:06 AM (YJmuy)


How about a story where there exists a secret society of time travelers, whose machine can send people into the future. They use it to send the best and brightest forward to escape the decaying society around them, only for those people to discover that no matter how far forward they go, things only get worse, because the best and brightest keep trying to escape through time travel...

Posted by: Colorado Alex at November 03, 2015 12:28 AM (fC9RO)

209 Yaah, QFT!!!

QFT does stand for Quality F*** Time, doesn't it?

Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:29 AM (HbSdt)

210 All I want to know is, does the world blow up before January 2017 or after?

Well, ok, and do I want to live to see it?

I am kinda curious how this turns out.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 12:29 AM (OlaOu)

211 I imagine yahwey and allah hanging out in the Garden of Eden. (A bbq joint on the west side)

they're drunk and high and they're thinking of shit to do to mankind.

they decide to let the gentiles create a massive interdependent culture that is run on oil and then they give all the oil to ignorant peasant arabs who are enthralled by a death cult invented by a bedoin pirate and pedophile.

Laughter and hilarity ensues.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:30 AM (Xo1Rt)

212 Great. Sock fail and tag fail in one comment. I'm gettin' MOAR BEER!!!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 12:30 AM (EzgxV)

213 All I want to know is, does the world blow up before January 2017 or after?

Well, ok, and do I want to live to see it?

I am kinda curious how this turns out.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski


It does.

And it doesn't.

You of all people should know thises*.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 12:30 AM (xrX4n)

214 Obviously, I'm going to have to release my Doberman Pinschers on some morons tonight.

Action!

Posted by: andycanuck at November 03, 2015 12:31 AM (HbSdt)

215 I'm the guy who killed Hitler.

Posted by: Kung Fury at November 03, 2015 12:31 AM (5zyvn)

216 The worst black and white flick is What happened to Baby Jane? By worst, I mean it was probably on the level of a Hitchock psychological thriller though I haven't seen any Hitchcock films. The dead rat on the silver platter did me in. So bad.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:32 AM (FTf+m)

217 Anyone here ever seen "The Boys From Brazil"?

You mean the Blu-ray that came in the brown paper wrapper?

Posted by: Harry Reid at November 03, 2015 12:32 AM (vBeA5)

218 When someone goes back in time to accomplish some future-changing task, they lose the ability to remember what they were supposed to change because they become part of the future that doens't have that thing.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 12:34 AM (k9qR4)

219 Is that the one with Gregory Peck? If so, it sucked.
Posted by: L, Elle

Yeah, Greg Peck as Dr. Mengele, breeding lots of little Hitlers.

Clones. Whatever.

Why not kill Kaiser Wilhelm when he was a kid? Or Otto von Bismarck?

And while we're at it, Wagner, Nietsche, Marx and Engels.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:34 AM (+1T7c)

220 Anyone who doesn't name their Dobermans "Zeus" and "Apollo" should be summarily stripped of intergalactic citizenship.

Posted by: Jonathan Quayle Higgins at November 03, 2015 12:34 AM (8bZvl)

221 I'm the guy who killed Hitler.

Posted by: Kung Fury at November 03, 2015 12:31 AM (5zyvn)


You wish!

Posted by: Kung Führer at November 03, 2015 12:34 AM (vBeA5)

222 I'd rather read "The Berenstain Bears Sodomise Each Other For 300 Pages".

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 12:28 AM (k9qR4)


Now available in all elementary schools!

Posted by: San Fransisco Board of Education at November 03, 2015 12:35 AM (vBeA5)

223 America wouldn't have become the industrial powerhouse of the world for 50 years if not for Hitler.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:35 AM (Xo1Rt)

224 The Jews might not have returned to Israel.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:36 AM (Xo1Rt)

225 Am a little surprised an American version of "Downfall" never came out.

OTOH the original itself was so well done... plus so controversial. Lots of people didn't like that Hitler was portrayed as an actual human being, evil though he was, rather than as a monster.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:36 AM (ntObR)

226 @ bossy conservative

My parents went to Indonesia and all I got was this lousy t-shirt
Posted by: BA-Rock Obama

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 03, 2015 12:37 AM (s0Kry)

227 Russia might've started the war and won.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:37 AM (Xo1Rt)

228 If you inseminated Margaret Trudeau, instead of Fidel Castro, would Justin be a Reform/Alliance/CPC Party juggernaut?

Posted by: nature or nurture at November 03, 2015 12:37 AM (8bZvl)

229 If I could travel back in time and do whatever the hell I wanted to do... first would be to go back to late 2001 and get Russia, China, and the US together to 'trans-nationalize' ME oil, i.e.: seize it all for their own selfish interest; then I'd go back to 1974 and get that rat bastard Jimmy who stole my bike and push his ass into the creek.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 03, 2015 12:37 AM (NaeCR)

230 And it was literally Louse y.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:38 AM (Xo1Rt)

231 Little known fact: Hitler was a total NAZI at the Disco:

https://www.youtube.com/v/-ghm0Pn_b6I

Posted by: The Disco NAZIs at November 03, 2015 12:38 AM (vBeA5)

232 Not sure about Hitler. Bin Laden, yes. Hitler, don't know, since they might have elected someone else, but Bin Laden bought himself a terrorist cell.

Thing is, it's always wrong to punish an innocent person even for what you know they will do.

But because there were so many people complicit in Hitler's rise, that makes it less permissible to kill baby Hitler.

Because Bin Laden's deed was owned more or less 100% by him, not distributed as with Hitler, I'd have fewer qualms about killing baby Bin Laden, since he was a root cause, and Hitler was more like a symptom.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 03, 2015 12:38 AM (uw9Al)

233 If you really want to stop Hitler, you have to go back further and prevent WWI 'cuz it was reparations for WWI that put Germany on the path to WWII.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 12:38 AM (OlaOu)

234 One way out of the paradox and acausality problem is to do away with free-will. Everything is predetermined. Another is multiple time dimensions, sort of a Many Worlds type of thing. Everything that can possibly happen exists in a type of mega-spacetime. When you go back in the past and change things, you simply jump track into one of the other universes where whatever you did happens.

None of these are satisfying.

When you get into the subject, you find that time-travel is Very Problematic as the SJWs would say, and you realize why everyone hopes it is impossible.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 03, 2015 12:39 AM (dvuhZ)

235 Ooo yeah. I'd kick some bully ass if I went back to about 3rd or 4th grade.

Jack Neery. I hope the Devil's got a big surprise in store for him.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:39 AM (Xo1Rt)

236 America wouldn't have become the industrial powerhouse of the world for 50 years if not for Hitler.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:35 AM (Xo1Rt)


More importantly, America would not have been the first with nukes, which we only got because all of the Jewish physicists that were driven out of Europe. The world would be a very, very, very different place.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 03, 2015 12:40 AM (zc3Db)

237 My parents went to Indonesia and all I got was this lousy t-shirt

Posted by: BA-Rock Obama



Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian


My company actually does business in Indonesia, and nobody likes to go there. It's a real hot mess.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:40 AM (+1T7c)

238 This is a weird ONT. Not complaining, just saying.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:40 AM (FTf+m)

239 America wouldn't have become the industrial powerhouse of the world for 50 years if not for Hitler.

Most of that was set into motion because of the war debts and reparations following WWI. We ended up with something like 95% of the money paid by Germany and quite a bit more from the Frants and Belgiums and Angles.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 12:40 AM (k9qR4)

240 Time travel my ass. I saw what happened when I wasn't born
Posted by: George Bailey

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 03, 2015 12:40 AM (qhUQl)

241 Howdy, y'all!!!
Posted by: cthulhu at November 02, 2015 11:27 PM

And howdy ya'll from MO.

Tomorrow ends our vacation. I'd say I have the sads, but actually going home and working is less stressful than all this driving.

Might as well do it while we can, but ran out of some of our meds for arthritis. Not a good idea.

Love the Southern hospitality. Tho sometimes I don't undertand them, or they understand me. Go figure.

Be well all,
T

Posted by: Farmer at November 03, 2015 12:41 AM (U3Me2)

242 America would not have been the first with nukes, which we only got because all of the Jewish physicists that were driven out of Europe

This is quite probably very true. And frightening.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 12:42 AM (k9qR4)

243 This is a weird ONT. Not complaining, just saying.


Posted by: L, Elle


Are you drinking, sniffing glue or taking some kind of psychotropic drug?

Perhaps you should start.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:42 AM (+1T7c)

244 Bitter Clinger, oh yeah.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:42 AM (ntObR)

245 Everything that can possibly happen exists in a type of mega-spacetime.

So somewhere I am boning Bar Refaeli five times daily, while Leo DiCaprio is worrying about his job because of looming carbon taxes.

Me like.

Posted by: now what kind of vehicle do I need to get there? at November 03, 2015 12:42 AM (8bZvl)

246 To eliminate nuclear weapons, you'd have to wipe out the Curie family.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:42 AM (ntObR)

247 This is a weird ONT. Not complaining, just saying.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:40 AM (FTf+m)

*****

*Fist bump*

On the sidelines drinking beer and munching popcorn here.

Strange indeed.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 03, 2015 12:42 AM (3XSkD)

248 Spectrum is Green.

Posted by: Landau Roof at November 03, 2015 12:43 AM (GdFQh)

249 @237 I bet b.c.

Hot, stifling humidity, 3rd world Moslem world. Lovely, just fucking lovely

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 03, 2015 12:43 AM (qhUQl)

250 If I could go back in time I would go back to Sajervo on June 28, 1914 and slash Franz Ferdinand's tires. That way he never drives through the streets of Sarajevo that day. Because of that, WWI doesn't happen as it did. The German Empire wouldn't have fallen and the Treaty of Versailles that gave birth to Hitler would not have been necessary.

Also, the Ottoman Empire would never have had the Iman declare Jihad on the Allied Powers.

Plus, Germany would have kept that cocksucker Lenin in prison instead of releasing him so that he could go back to Russia to cause the revolution there.

So, no Hitler, no Nazism, no Lenin, no Russian communism, and probably no Chinese communism, so no Korean communism, and no Viet Nam communism, and no Cambodian communism.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 03, 2015 12:43 AM (Z7G74)

251 Bossy, yup. Jakarta's gone way downhill since they closed the very last Love's there a few years back. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:44 AM (ntObR)

252 Discoveries of elemental effects could've been done by other scientists/experimenters.

Has to be something that was effected by the individuals themselves. Some quality that they themselves only had. Or few had.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:44 AM (Xo1Rt)

253 >>> Are you drinking, sniffing glue or taking some kind of psychotropic drug?
Perhaps you should start.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November
--------
Oh that's what I'm doing wrong???
Idk, I didn't expect an ONT about killing baby Hitler. Lol. Too bad Hitler loving Ekdahl isn't here.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:45 AM (FTf+m)

254 More importantly, America would not have been the
first with nukes, which we only got because all of the Jewish physicists
that were driven out of Europe. The world would be a very, very, very
different place.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair


Maybe not. There was a whole cadre of really brilliant young American physicists, who actually did most of the real work in the Manhatten Project.

History was written making Enrico Fermi, Leo Szilard and those guys look like towering geniuses (and Hans Fuchs, who was a Red spy), but really a lot of smart, young guys did all the work.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:45 AM (+1T7c)

255 I think it was a good ONT.
But this moron is going to bed
Be well horde

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 03, 2015 12:46 AM (UiGnh)

256 Everyone acts so brave and talks about going back in time to kill Hitler.

Where are the real heroes who will walk the walk and go back in time after real monsters like Yoko Ono, the Kardashians, or Phil Donohue?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 03, 2015 12:46 AM (GdFQh)

257 233 If you really want to stop Hitler, you have to go back further and prevent WWI 'cuz it was reparations for WWI that put Germany on the path to WWII.


Get Gavrilo Princip before he shoots Archduke Ferdinand?

Hmm, interesting.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 03, 2015 12:46 AM (syGA0)

258 Hitler ruined the Chaplin Moustache look.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:46 AM (Xo1Rt)

259 Hitler ruined the Chaplin Moustache look.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger


....or maybe it was the other way around?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:48 AM (+1T7c)

260 Dr. Varno has a good point.

what if you go back in time but you don't remember much of the future?

You know what you have to do but you don't know why.

Good ideas for some short stories.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:48 AM (Xo1Rt)

261 243 This is a weird ONT. Not complaining, just saying.


Posted by: L, Elle


Are you drinking, sniffing glue or taking some kind of psychotropic drug?

Perhaps you should start.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:42 AM (+1T7c)




It might help if there were examples given of "normal" ONTs.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 12:48 AM (EzgxV)

262 * waves Hi to ManWithParty *

Yeah, weird stuff. Lol

Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:48 AM (FTf+m)

263 Actually, I've experienced Time Travel, for real.

It's easy. Quantas flight between DFW and Sydney. Crosses the International Date Line.

And if you want to really cross the streams, do it on the Saturday Night that Dallas juggles the Daylight Saving Time, Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, for your departure or arrival.

You might just get to greet yourself, coming or going.

Mate.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 03, 2015 12:49 AM (McRlu)

264 Cross the dateline AND the equator at the same time.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:50 AM (Xo1Rt)

265 Puddleglum at November 03, 2015 12:46 AM

That was suggested further up thread, but it was in code. So credit belongs to them what thought it furst.

I was just innocently brazenly shouting out the translation and wrecking the space time continuum the co conspirators had set up to send secret messages forward in time.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 12:50 AM (OlaOu)

266 251 Bossy, yup. Jakarta's gone way downhill since they closed the very last Love's there a few years back. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:44 AM (ntObR)




Indonesia.....one Love's Wood-Pit Barbecue from total insanity.......wait, they closed it?!?!?!?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 12:50 AM (EzgxV)

267 250: Crap, you actually thought it out. I was thinking something along the same lines. WW1 was quite the rippling calamitous far reaching destruction.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 03, 2015 12:51 AM (syGA0)

268 Sweet Dreamies, MisHum. See ya tomorrow hopefully

Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:51 AM (FTf+m)

269 How about "who do you kill" but "who do you save"?

Rasputin prophesized that if the nobles killed him, the Czar and nobles were doomed, but if he was killed by peasents, the Imperial family would have been safe.

Interesting thought experiment to see how that happens.

A little mood music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWInIUwqhKQ

Posted by: A certain Czarevich at November 03, 2015 12:52 AM (vBeA5)

270 If

the largest word in the English language.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:52 AM (Xo1Rt)

271 The Kasparov book looks interesting.

Don't forget that the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 created a golden opportunity to forge a powerful, positive relationship.

But the people of America decided to elect some dumbass hillbilly who pretty much ignored foreign affairs for 8 years.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at November 03, 2015 12:52 AM (2t8QE)

272 It might help if there were examples given of "normal" ONTs.

On normal ONTs, we read short HP Lovecraft tales and make origami Elder Ones.

Sometimes we kill things we've resurrected.

In any event, there's a lot less of this creepy insane time-travel shit.

Posted by: Herbert West at November 03, 2015 12:52 AM (8bZvl)

273 I would travel back in time and kill Johann Guttenberg, so that I could invent the printing press.

Posted by: Ahmad Mohammed at November 03, 2015 12:52 AM (uw9Al)

274 Say what you will, Islam has been a very effective political-Religious motivator for conquest.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That

Primarily among stupid people. Saudi Arabia....what a prize. Without the oil, it's a lot of hot, dirty nothing.
A bunch of retarded cousin humpers and wife-beaters.
Indonesia: hot, dirty, poor and jungle. And overpopulated and crowded.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:26 AM

Good luck to Europe taking hundreds of thousands of these invaders in. It's BS they are refugees from war, more like economic refugees as per the ONT post.

Posted by: Farmer at November 03, 2015 12:53 AM (U3Me2)

275 cthulhu, that's what I read.

Jakarta's rapidly aging shemale prostitute population was especially hard hit, asking "NOW where will I get the American tourists to take me to dinner?!?"

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:53 AM (ntObR)

276 Hasta la nite nite, Horde.

I'm gonna time travel on my pillow. It'll propel me into tomorrow morning.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 03, 2015 12:53 AM (McRlu)

277 I guess we won't hear much sneering from Europe about the Hispanic Invaders and our struggles over them, huh?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:54 AM (Xo1Rt)

278 If is F1 spelled backwards.

Posted by: finest Murray Walkerism ever at November 03, 2015 12:54 AM (8bZvl)

279 Kasparov's book (directly or indirectly) makes the point that Nixon's trip to China was a mistake. It seemed like a good idea at the time.

Didn't work out like we thought it would.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 12:55 AM (OlaOu)

280 >>>> If
the largest word in the English language.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:52 AM
----------
"Or" and " Then" are a close second and third. "But" is a weak word, way down the list.

Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:56 AM (FTf+m)

281 272 It might help if there were examples given of "normal" ONTs.

On normal ONTs, we read short HP Lovecraft tales and make origami Elder Ones.

Sometimes we kill things we've resurrected.

In any event, there's a lot less of this creepy insane time-travel shit.

Posted by: Herbert West at November 03, 2015 12:52 AM (8bZvl)




I feel micro-aggressively folded in spatial dimensions.....and under-utilized in temporal dimensions.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 12:56 AM (EzgxV)

282
>>>How about "who do you kill" but "who do you save"?

Posted by: A certain Czarevich at November 03, 2015 12:52 AM (vBeA5)<<<





Uh oh, I see what's coming. A "fuck, marry, kill" time travel edition.



And this business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Posted by: zombie Adm. Josh Painter at November 03, 2015 12:56 AM (REdlt)

283 who cares if you have $3million in your retirement account.

it is if you are STRONG enough to live out your life with fun

Posted by: Jake at November 03, 2015 12:57 AM (QelBn)

284 "Assume"

thus it can be shown that

Petito Principii

and therefore, thus and so forth

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 12:57 AM (OlaOu)

285 the remainder of the proof is left as an exercise for the student

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 12:58 AM (OlaOu)

286 * waves Hi to ManWithParty *

Yeah, weird stuff. Lol
Posted by: L, Elle at November 03, 2015 12:48 AM (FTf+m)

******

*Waves back, while sippin'*

I'm more of a here and now kinda guy. These kinda things bore me.

Not that there is anything wrong with indulging in it.....

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 03, 2015 01:00 AM (3XSkD)

287 Clearly it is obvious that ..


(I had a chemistry prof do that to an auditorium of freshmen with a blackboard covered in equations.)

Wut?

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 01:01 AM (OlaOu)

288 I think it was a good ONT.
But this moron is going to bed
Be well horde

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at November 03, 2015 12:46 AM

Be well MisHum. We still have to struggle w/ a 5 hr drive tomorrow. And w/out our main arthritis meds, errg

Hope to see you tomorrow on the ONT.

Posted by: Farmer at November 03, 2015 01:01 AM (U3Me2)

289 Assuming a fixed timeline where it was inevitable that baby Hitler would become the Adolf Hitler that we know from from WWII, then yes I would kill baby Hitler. I wouldn't enjoy it but it would be a necessary and morally justifiable act.

Posted by: Maetenloch at November 02, 2015 11:40 PM (pAlYe)


If you had a time machine, and the necessary knowledge to take it whenever[/], why kill Baby Hitler? Just wait until WWI, when he was a corporal, and go to the front lines with a good sniper rifle, and pick him off. Legitimate act of war, no moral quandary.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2015 01:01 AM (0yhH4)

290 Cross the dateline AND the equator at the same time.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:50 AM (Xo1Rt)


Yes, and if she's a red-head double your points.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 01:05 AM (k9qR4)

291 what about going back and killing hittlers parents, is that ok?

Posted by: Jake at November 03, 2015 01:09 AM (QelBn)

292 no Hitler, no Nazism, no Lenin, no Russian communism, and probably no Chinese communism, so no Korean communism, and no Viet Nam communism, and no Cambodian communism.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 03, 2015 12:43

BINGO

T


Posted by: Farmer at November 03, 2015 01:09 AM (U3Me2)

293 Drown Marx and save the world.

Posted by: eman at November 03, 2015 01:10 AM (MQEz6)

294 287 Clearly it is obvious that ..


(I had a chemistry prof do that to an auditorium of freshmen with a blackboard covered in equations.)

Wut?

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 01:01 AM (OlaOu)




There is a famous anecdote where a mathematics instructor filled several whiteboards full of equations and declared, "therefore, it is obvious that...." while inscribing a final equation. Halfway through, he stopped, stepped back, his brow wrinkled, he frowned, then sprinted for the door.




Witnesses describe his hurried rush across campus, his dash into a university building, his frenzied climb to the third floor, his run into his office and frantic riffling through books, the way he read a single page over-and-over until a smile broke upon his face, and his triumphant jog back to the classroom.....where he finished the equation he had been writing and said, to no-one in particular, "I was right, it is obvious."

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 01:11 AM (EzgxV)

295 Little Hitler:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-axJTzj0VU

Posted by: Little USA at November 03, 2015 01:11 AM (vBeA5)

296 History was written making Enrico Fermi, Leo Szilard and those guys look like towering geniuses (and Hans Fuchs, who was a Red spy), but really a lot of smart, young guys did all the work.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at November 03, 2015 12:45 AM (+1T7c)


Fermi, Einstein, Von Neumann, Szilard, ... WERE towering geniuses the likes of which the world has rarely seen. Young American physicists did not create modern physics - a few geniuses did - and they were pretty much all in Europe and many of them Jews (a huge number of whom were driven out by Hitler and European anti-semitism - which was nothing new, of course).. In Germany, theoretical physics was called Judenphysik (sp?).

No, without the rush of European scientists to America due to WWII (and the prelude) we would not have become the science superpower we did or had nukes first. Not by a long shot. And the space race would have been a lot different, too - though that does't owe to a German Jewish scientist but the opposite sort of German.

WWII had the world-saving effect of taking Europe down to a level that it couldn't hurt anyone, anymore. If that hadn't happened WWII would have truly wrought destruction the world over and worse by orders of magnitude - including here. And I contend that a world in which AMerica is not the first, sole nuclear power is a world that gets violently dominated by whomever it was, again, including here.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 03, 2015 01:11 AM (zc3Db)

297 no Hitler, no Nazism, no Lenin, no Russian communism, and probably no Chinese communism, ...
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper


Um, you may want to re-examine the timeline there.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 01:12 AM (xrX4n)

298 "It first demands that we give up the small stuff, things that seem
insignificant when considered in isolation, such as silly high school
musicals. What's the big deal if we ditch West Side Story for the sake
of racial harmony? But it doesn't stop there because diversity's hunger
is never sated. A precedent has been set and will inevitably be followed
from there on out."

Sigh.

Posted by: SavetheEarth at November 03, 2015 01:12 AM (UW6pq)

299 In any event, there's a lot less of this creepy insane time-travel shit.

Enough time travel, though, and we'll know when the stars will be right.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 03, 2015 01:13 AM (YJmuy)

300 Drown Marx and save the world.
Find some way to stop the ridiculous French revolution and all of its mad Jacobin excesses.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 01:15 AM (k9qR4)

301 cthulhu at November 03, 2015 01:11 AM

I laughed.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 03, 2015 01:15 AM (OlaOu)

302 290 Cross the dateline AND the equator at the same time.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 03, 2015 12:50 AM (Xo1Rt)

Yes, and if she's a red-head double your points.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 01:05 AM (k9qR4)




For genealogy buffs, there was the guy who found out his great-grampa almost got killed when he get got caught with his dick in a pickle-slicer.




The assistant-manager of the deli thought he had something exclusive with her, but wasn't a very good shot.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 01:16 AM (EzgxV)

303 Find some way to stop the ridiculous French revolution and all of its mad Jacobin excesses.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 01:15 AM (k9qR4)


One of Rousseau's whores giving him a terminal STD?

Posted by: Louis XVII at November 03, 2015 01:18 AM (vBeA5)

304 299 In any event, there's a lot less of this creepy insane time-travel shit.

Enough time travel, though, and we'll know when the stars will be right.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 03, 2015 01:13 AM (YJmuy)




Now, there's a thought.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 01:18 AM (EzgxV)

305 There's a really funny "Parking Lot is Full" comic; the caption is something like:

"If you could go back in time and kill Hitler, you would, wouldn't you? Three words: Michael Jackson Junior. You know what you have to do."

Posted by: The Inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at November 03, 2015 01:18 AM (PZwQX)

306 G'night everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 03, 2015 01:19 AM (YJmuy)

307 Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 01:11 AM (EzgxV)

I heard a shorter version of that "joke". It's a classic. But, as an old math professor of mine used to say, "Once you know the solution it's always obvious.", which is true.

I'll tell you a real story about this particular professor. A famous mathematician named Paul Erdos was giving a lecture at our university (thought by many to be the greatest mathematician of the 20th century). He used to give out problems for money (though no one ever cashed an Erdos check but framed it). He gave a $500 problem at this lecture, which was a very, very tough one. This professor solved the problem.

Two weeks later Erdos was speaking at NYU and a contingent from our school went up there, including this professor. Erdos gave his lecture and in the middle announced that he had given a $500 problem a couple of weeks earlier that was solved by Don Newman and then Erdos gave the solution. After the lecture, Newman asked Erdos how he knew the solution and Erdos said that he had told him. Newman siad that he hadn't told anyone, only that he had solved it. Erdos said, "Oh, i guess that I figured if you had solved it then that was the way you would have had to do it."

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 03, 2015 01:20 AM (zc3Db)

308 'NPR Voice' Has Taken Over the Airwaves'
------------------

So, Ira Glass. Punchable face?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2015 01:21 AM (9mTYi)

309 Having recently finished a tortuous redecoration project in my kitchen, I do sympathize w Hillary! as wall lamp selection is key.

Posted by: keena at November 03, 2015 01:22 AM (RiTnx)

310 To eliminate nuclear weapons, you'd have to wipe out the Curie family.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 03, 2015 12:42 AM (ntObR)


At most, you would simply delay them a decade or so. Physics is physics, it lies waiting to be discovered.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2015 01:26 AM (0yhH4)

311 I am thankful for our trip to France and Austria two summers ago. As I have said before, Salzburg was the most hospitable city of Europe. Wonderful and peaceful and beautiful place. And I am thankful I saw it before the invasion and change forever.

Vienna was already hipster and urban an with a larger mooslem population on the outskirts of town. One train station at night felt a little iffy, as son insisted on walking to a beer garden or something where the food looked rawish to me, but it was his b'day so eat what you want!

I did not like the tiny bit of Germany I saw (Munich airport). Felt rushed but also sinister...could not explain it then or now, but I wanted to get out. Keep in mind we did not have train fulls of Akmeds to travel with, thank God. There were some Chinese obnoxious tourists at the beautiful Hallstatt town in the Alps.

And if the Mo's continue to start destroying Christian and Jewish and Coptic Christian monuments I might just enlist an fight.

Meanwhile Europe is just going to roll over and act all open minded until the election when they become the minority and Sharia law is spelled out to them and their councils are mooslem.

I'd selfishly hoped I would not see this invasion or it would wait another 30 yrs until I reach total old-age dementia. Crap on you, Merkle. Hope you are happy with your totally insane gate opening. Oh, YOU don't have to worry but your constituents sure as hell do.

Brussels will fall, too. Have read that rifles and hunting guns are in short supply in Austria for huting. Hope they find a herd of people and corral them back to where they came.
Sad times, this invasion without a shot. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at November 03, 2015 01:28 AM (eXl9F)

312 Mohammed, definitely. Mao, Marx, yes.

I've been reading sefton's thing too often. I feel comfortable killing any asshole whose name begins with 'M'.

Posted by: Ahmad Mohammed at November 03, 2015 01:28 AM (uw9Al)

313 Oh, and Maet? Thank you for such amazing links and thoughts to read. Really, thank you. I probably sleep better not reading them this time of night, however. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at November 03, 2015 01:29 AM (eXl9F)

314 At most, you would simply delay them a decade or so. Physics is physics, it lies waiting to be discovered.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2015 01:26 AM (0yhH4)


More than a decade. her experiment to isolate radium took years, by itself.

But there are a choice few who can be taken out to totally impede a society's advancement, especially in math and science. The proof of this is in the many societies that existed on earth for so many thousands of years without ever being able to come up with the even the idea of writing. And many continued to be illiterate even after having come into contact with literate societies, just to cite one simple example.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 03, 2015 01:33 AM (zc3Db)

315 Um, you may want to re-examine the timeline there.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 01:12 AM (xrX4n)


Wasn't putting all of those in chronological order but more along the lines of things that wouldn't have happened if Ferdinand's tires had been slashed.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 03, 2015 01:34 AM (Z7G74)

316 Hello, everyone.

I just got back from a quick weekend trip back to the old hometown to see my Dad. What we were told was Stage 1 lung cancer turns out to be far more advanced. He's been transferred to hospice care and is now back home.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 01:36 AM (rJUlF)

317 More than a decade. her experiment to isolate radium took years, by itself.

But there are a choice few who can be taken out to totally impede a society's advancement, especially in math and science. The proof of this is in the many societies that existed on earth for so many thousands of years without ever being able to come up with the even the idea of writing. And many continued to be illiterate even after having come into contact with literate societies, just to cite one simple example.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 03, 2015 01:33 AM (zc3Db)


But isolating Radium did not lead directly to nuclear weapons. It was mainly a feat of experimental chemistry that she did. Other workers were already trying to make sense of the property of radioactivity.


Radioactivity was a "hot" topic back in the day, and the Curies were not the only people studying it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2015 01:37 AM (0yhH4)

318 So, I know what I would do with a time machine...I'd go back to just before Dad was going to smoke his first cigarette, slap it out of his hand and yell, "Are you out of your frickin' MIND?"

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 01:38 AM (rJUlF)

319 Rather difficult to put a finger on the Absolute Bringer of Evil.

*checks for a missing rib*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2015 01:38 AM (9mTYi)

320 I just got back from a quick weekend trip back to the old hometown to see my Dad. What we were told was Stage 1 lung cancer turns out to be far more advanced. He's been transferred to hospice care and is now back home.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 01:36 AM (rJUlF)


Sorry to hear that, CW. A tough thing to have to deal with.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2015 01:39 AM (0yhH4)

321 319

Yeah, that would pretty much bring everything to a halt...

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 01:40 AM (rJUlF)

322 316 Hello, everyone.

I just got back from a quick weekend trip back to the old hometown to see my Dad. What we were told was Stage 1 lung cancer turns out to be far more advanced. He's been transferred to hospice care and is now back home.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 01:36 AM (rJUlF)




Sorry to hear, Cap'n. May God outshine himself with the mercy by which his Will be done......

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 01:40 AM (EzgxV)

323 CW - Very, very sorry to hear that.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2015 01:40 AM (9mTYi)

324 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2015 01:37 AM (0yhH4)

True.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 03, 2015 01:42 AM (zc3Db)

325 Sorry to hear the Captain.

I'll say an extra prayer for your family.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at November 03, 2015 01:44 AM (Z7G74)

326 Well, personally, I don't believe that time travel, as popularly pictured, can possibly exist, for any number of good physical reasons.


But I seem to remember some discussion of the topic, maybe it was Larry Niven, wherein it was proposed that time travel was possible, but that there was a physical law, named "Conservation of Events" which negated any attempts to alter history by going back in time to tamper in any way. Kill Hitler, and Goering becomes Fuhrer in his stead. And WWII happens right on schedule, and likewise the Holocaust.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2015 01:45 AM (0yhH4)

327 Prayers up, Captain Whitebread.

'Sup cooth.

Posted by: SMFH at November 03, 2015 01:48 AM (ahx2/)

328 322 316 Hello, everyone.

I just got back from a quick weekend trip back to the old hometown to see my Dad. What we were told was Stage 1 lung cancer turns out to be far more advanced. He's been transferred to hospice care and is now back home.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 01:36 AM (rJUlF)




Sorry to hear, Cap'n. May God outshine himself with the mercy by which his Will be done......

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 01:40 AM (EzgxV)





Went out with my regular shootin' buddy to punch holes in paper. Last night, big front rolled through -- dumped about 2" of rain and dropped overnight temps by 20 degrees. We ended-up both utterly disgusted by our shooting, in a "what do you mean, there are only seven holes?" way.





Which I put out there as partial explanation as to why I'm doing so badly at expressing myself.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 01:49 AM (EzgxV)

329 Thanks, ya'll. I'm taking comfort in that my sisters and hospice nurses are doing everything they can to keep him comfortable, and that my Dad has both made his peace with God and retains his sense of humor.

An example: Yesterday, Dad wanted to smoke a cigarette (the doctors say there's no reason now to deny him). He's on oxygen, so my nephew wanted to be sure that it was turned off before Dad lit up, because, as my nephew put it, "I don't want to blow up Grandpa."

Dad, with a twinkle in his eye, looked at my nephew, smiled, and simply said, "Boom."

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 01:50 AM (rJUlF)

330 327 Prayers up, Captain Whitebread.

'Sup cooth.

Posted by: SMFH at November 03, 2015 01:48 AM (ahx2/)



Howdy, howdy. How are things in The Land of the Banned?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 01:51 AM (EzgxV)

331 326: Even that doesn't work. I forgot what you call it, but the idea is some force of the universe prevents you from doing anything that would alter the timeline and lead to paradoxes.

It can be shown that such a force would have to be beyond the laws of physics, something global and Godlike. If it were local, then information would have to travel instantly following spacelike paths through spacetime. Even in CTLC spacetimes, everything must follow time-like paths, even though they can close on themselves.

The only way out of paradoxes in superdeterminism, we have no free will and everything is preordained. That, and the many worlds thing, but there, you're not really going back in time, only jumping universes.

The grandfather paradox is a really big showstopper.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 03, 2015 01:53 AM (dvuhZ)

332 I'm at my daughters right now. She was supposed to come by Sunday, but she had to work. She was off yesterday and today, so...

Plus, she has the cutest kitten, and I needed desperately a cute fix

Posted by: SMFH at November 03, 2015 01:56 AM (ahx2/)

333 I'm sure the novelty will wear off when I have to punt it across the room for thinking my toes are chew toys.

Posted by: SMFH at November 03, 2015 01:57 AM (ahx2/)

334 Even that doesn't work. I forgot what you call it, but the idea is some force of the universe prevents you from doing anything that would alter the timeline and lead to paradoxes.

It can be shown that such a force would have to be beyond the laws of physics, something global and Godlike. If it were local, then information would have to travel instantly following spacelike paths through spacetime. Even in CTLC spacetimes, everything must follow time-like paths, even though they can close on themselves.

The only way out of paradoxes in superdeterminism, we have no free will and everything is preordained. That, and the many worlds thing, but there, you're not really going back in time, only jumping universes.

The grandfather paradox is a really big showstopper.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 03, 2015 01:53 AM (dvuhZ)


I know that it really wouldn't work. I think it was offered up in a discussion of how one could write a seemingly plausible time-travel story.


Just like you have similar seemingly-plausible explanations offered to make magic "work" in fiction.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2015 01:58 AM (0yhH4)

335 Seems my birthday falls on Thanksgiving this year.

Oh joy.

Posted by: SMFH at November 03, 2015 01:58 AM (ahx2/)

336 Robert Shaw had seriously good teeth in "The Battle of the Bulge".

You could imagine him as a Nazi superman, singing das Panzerlied.

Or as a slick Communist turncoat in "From Russia With Love".

Fewer than ten years later, he was Quint, recollecting how he and his Indianapolis shipmates delivered the war-ending Bomb to Tinian.

That was an actor.

That guy could make you watch a movie.

Posted by: I hear beep boop Hawking was fucking FASCINATING at November 03, 2015 02:01 AM (8bZvl)

337 Radioactivity was a "hot" topic back in the day, and the Curies were not the only people studying it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2015 01:37 AM (0yhH4)


A little mood music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaScyfSHc-Y

Posted by: The Decaying Hat at November 03, 2015 02:04 AM (vBeA5)

338 300 Drown Marx and save the world.
Find some way to stop the ridiculous French revolution and all of its mad Jacobin excesses.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at November 03, 2015 01:15 AM (k9qR4)

Why???

Posted by: Napoleon at November 03, 2015 02:06 AM (qh617)

339 If you kill Hitler as bad as he was, was not the only cause of the war. What happens if who ever replaces him wins the war?

Posted by: Big V at November 03, 2015 02:07 AM (9rgyU)

340 ... and three hours later a big fat PBY comes to pick us up ...

Posted by: carbon ... dioxide ... will ... kiill... us ... alll ... in ... twenty ... gafribrillions ... years at November 03, 2015 02:07 AM (8bZvl)

341 329 Thanks, ya'll. I'm taking comfort in that my sisters and hospice nurses are doing everything they can to keep him comfortable, and that my Dad has both made his peace with God and retains his sense of humor.

An example: Yesterday, Dad wanted to smoke a cigarette (the doctors say there's no reason now to deny him). He's on oxygen, so my nephew wanted to be sure that it was turned off before Dad lit up, because, as my nephew put it, "I don't want to blow up Grandpa."

Dad, with a twinkle in his eye, looked at my nephew, smiled, and simply said, "Boom."

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 01:50 AM (rJUlF)




There's a story you could tell your dad. Seems that there were three elderly men sitting on a park bench. First one goes, "thinkin' about it -- I want to go, peacefully, in my sleep. No muss, no fuss, fall asleep one day and never wake up."




Second guy goes, "that is not for me! I pray it happens suddenly, like an explosion -- too sudden to feel anything, too fast to hurt....just, 'why am I talking to Saint Peter?'."



And the third guy says, "when I go, I'm looking to be shot in the act by a jealous husband. If I'm lucky, I won't know if I'm going or....."



There's still time for your dad to make another guy jealous....

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 02:08 AM (EzgxV)

342 Or hell, as one episode of Futurama had it, you go back in time and f*** and impregnate your own grandmother, truly becomming your own grandpa.

As always, Heinlein was there first. All You Zombies, 1959

Posted by: Fox2! at November 03, 2015 02:11 AM (brIR5)

343 Nivins Paradox paraphrased is that in a universe that can invent a working time machine, that time machine will never be invented.

Too many reasons to change the past, and then on time machine will be invented.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 03, 2015 02:13 AM (u82oZ)

344 341

Cooth, I'll be sure to tell him that one when Mom isn't around. I'm certain she'd still be reaching for the bar of soap and heading for my mouth, even at my age.

I'm going to see if the melatonin will work. Goodnight, all.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 02:14 AM (rJUlF)

345 Sister just back from ten days in Austria and Czech Republic. Cz is okay but Austria is totally fracked. She wonders when the loudspeakers will replace the bells in Salzburg.

Shutdown trains made life... interesting.

No better friend than someone with a car.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at November 03, 2015 02:15 AM (uPxUo)

346 Goodnight CW.

Posted by: SMFH at November 03, 2015 02:15 AM (ahx2/)

347 342 All you Zombies was such a classic that it changed the direction of time travel into alternate universes.

An example is Niven's collection The Flight of the Horse with Svetz having bad days every trip back into another world.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 03, 2015 02:17 AM (u82oZ)

348 Good night all.

Work those Plan Bs. We may need them. And remember -- OPSEC, OPSEC, OPSEC.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 03, 2015 02:18 AM (u82oZ)

349 But there are a choice few who can be taken out to totally impede a society's advancement, especially in math and science.

That's not always true. Take out Newton, and Leibniz still invents calculus. With neater notation than Newton's fluxions.

Einstein would have been replaced by Bohr, Heisenberg, or one of many others.

Posted by: Fox2! at November 03, 2015 02:19 AM (brIR5)

350
Kasparyan's assertion about the west and the post-Soviet republics (assuming that's mostly who he has in mind) is not really very accurate. It may apply in some cases, but few. It also (again, I'm assuming) depends on some sort of certainty that events in these countries would proceed as they did, and this was all foreseeable in 1991. Wrong.

There wasn't much giddy optimism about the prospects for Turkmenistan, or Uzbekistan, or Belarus quickly becoming like Switzerland. Or Tajikistan or Kazakhstan. Or really any of them. Though some (like those just mentioned) were notably worse than most of the rest.

None of this has any bearing on his prescriptions for current challenges, neccessarily. Just a pet-peeve of mine - glib, superficially persuasive generalizations that are far from the historical truth.

I also think that the internal rot in the west, incl. the US, is now serious and widespread enough that Putin does not concern me too much. Sympathies with the smaller countries harmed by Russian strength/US weakness, but beyond that, meh.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 03, 2015 02:20 AM (QDnY+)

351 342 Or hell, as one episode of Futurama had it, you go back in time and f*** and impregnate your own grandmother, truly becomming your own grandpa.

As always, Heinlein was there first. All You Zombies, 1959

Posted by: Fox2! at November 03, 2015 02:11 AM (brIR5)




Whenever someone writes a time-travel story that references one of your birthdays, it gets to you.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 02:21 AM (EzgxV)

352 That's not always true. Take out Newton, and Leibniz still invents calculus. With neater notation than Newton's fluxions.

Einstein would have been replaced by Bohr, Heisenberg, or one of many others.
Posted by: Fox2! at November 03, 2015 02:19 AM (brIR5)


No matter how exotic human civilization becomes, no matter the developments of life and society nor the complexity of the machine/human interface, there always come interludes of lonely power when the course of humankind, the very future of human kind, depends upon the relatively simple actions of single individuals.

Posted by: The Tleilaxu Godbuk at November 03, 2015 02:22 AM (vBeA5)

353 That's not always true. Take out Newton, and Leibniz still invents calculus. With neater notation than Newton's fluxions.

Einstein would have been replaced by Bohr, Heisenberg, or one of many others.

Posted by: Fox2!

----

Exactly. Most of our history is streamlined hype, clever PR, and "bite-sized historical nuggets."

The Beatles did not f*cking invent rock and roll. They didn't even invent psychedelic rock.

There were plenty of people racing the Wright Brothers to get off the ground.

We always mistake the representatives of a wave for the creators of the wave.

Posted by: RKae at November 03, 2015 02:23 AM (gxhW0)

354 The Tleilaxu Godbuk

To steal a line from another website hosted by our beloved Pixy Misa, "Have you met my gom jabbar?"

Posted by: Alia of the Knife at November 03, 2015 02:25 AM (brIR5)

355 That's the argument I go with: If this universe admitted for time travel, then it couldn't exist. Therefore, this universe does not admit time travel.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 03, 2015 02:27 AM (dvuhZ)

356 To steal a line from another website hosted by our beloved Pixy Misa, "Have you met my gom jabbar?"

Posted by: Alia of the Knife at November 03, 2015 02:25 AM (brIR5)


The assumption that a whole system can be made to work better through an assault on its conscious elements betrays a dangerous ignorance. This has often been the ignorant approach of those who call themselves scientists and technologists.

Posted by: The Butlarian Jihad by Harq al-Adaodbuk at November 03, 2015 02:27 AM (vBeA5)

357 I declare kanly.

Posted by: Alia of the Knife at November 03, 2015 02:30 AM (brIR5)

358 I declare kanly.

Posted by: Alia of the Knife at November 03, 2015 02:30 AM (brIR5)


Survival of self, of species, and of environment, these are what drives humans. You can observe how the order of importance changes in a lifetime. What are the things of immediate concern at a given age? Weather? The state of the digestion? Does she (or he) really care? All of those various hungers that flesh can sense and hope to satisfy. What else could possible matter?

Posted by: Leto II, to Hwi Noree at November 03, 2015 02:34 AM (vBeA5)

359 ... and three hours later a big fat PBY comes to pick us up ...
Posted by: carbon ... dioxide
-----------------

Only, it didn't, exactly. It was so beat up in the process of landing and loading up with sailors that it was abandoned, and sunk.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2015 02:42 AM (9mTYi)

360 344 341

Cooth, I'll be sure to tell him that one when Mom isn't around. I'm certain she'd still be reaching for the bar of soap and heading for my mouth, even at my age.

I'm going to see if the melatonin will work. Goodnight, all.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 03, 2015 02:14 AM (rJUlF)




When my uncle was in his final months from leukemia, his nurses loved that he continually tried to charm them, despite (a) being married, and (b) being a broken-down mess with terminal leukemia. Mind you, they all probably went home to their husbands, boyfriends, or cats and laughed about it.....but the fact my uncle was a horndog to his dying breath was held as somehow endearing.




And memory of memory of memory means I have got to say something. When I went down to visit my uncle in the hospital right before he died, I spent some time watching how that floor of the hospital operated. The staff there were saints and angels, and my uncle could not have been in a better place in this world during that horrible time. They always treated him as if he were their most favorite patient, no matter what happened (and no matter how many other patients were in their care).

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 02:43 AM (EzgxV)

361 "The only way out of paradoxes in superdeterminism,..."
--------------------

Great Heavens! There's a Presbyterian among us.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2015 02:43 AM (9mTYi)

362 We always mistake the representatives of a wave for the creators of the wave.

Posted by: RKae at November 03, 2015 02:23 AM (gxhW0)


"You didn't build that!" writ large?

Posted by: Adriane the History Critic ... at November 03, 2015 02:44 AM (jnAIZ)

363 357 I declare kanly.

Posted by: Alia of the Knife at November 03, 2015 02:30 AM (brIR5)



Kanly may only be be declared within the Great Houses.

Posted by: Landsraad at November 03, 2015 02:48 AM (EzgxV)

364 We always mistake the representatives of a wave for the creators of the wave.

Posted by: RKae at November 03, 2015 02:23 AM (gxhW0)


Pull my finger...

Posted by: Nikola Tesla at November 03, 2015 02:49 AM (vBeA5)

365 It's ... interesting ... how quickly the prime mandate of the high priests of "evolution" became to save the "victims" of "evolution".

Posted by: out by the teeming silicon fabs of the Serengheti at November 03, 2015 02:54 AM (8bZvl)

366 Pull my finger...
Posted by: Nikola Tesla
-------------------

AKA, The Gaseous Hat

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2015 02:54 AM (9mTYi)

367 Somehow I ended up down the youtube rabbit hole on a 90s R&B binge.

Boyz II Men
Dru Hill
112
Keith Sweat
TLC
Babyface
En Vogue

Damn I miss that kind of music

Posted by: the real ch3 at November 03, 2015 02:55 AM (3Scwj)

368 It's ... interesting ... how quickly the prime mandate of the high priests of "evolution" became to save the "victims" of "evolution".
--------------------

Progress/Liberals believe that evolution ceased, 50,000 or so years ago. Mysteriously.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2015 02:56 AM (9mTYi)

369 When it comes to time machine stories, they're ably bookmarked by Wells' "The Time Machine", written in 1895, and mainly concerned with the end of humanity -- and David Gerrold's "The Man Who Folded Himself", 1973, which is mainly concerned with self-stimulation.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 03:02 AM (EzgxV)

370 "Citizens of all the tiny countries that lie between the Middle East and Germany were witnessing a migration far too big for Germany to handle. They knew Germany would eventually realize this, too. Once Germany lost its nerve, the huge human chain of testosterone and poverty would be stuck where it was. And if your country was smaller than Germany -- Austria, for instance, is a tenth Germany's size -- you could wind up in a situation where the majority of fighting-age men in your country were foreigners with a grievance.

-- Christopher Caldwell in What Merkel Wrought"

When did they get this knowledge and by what means?

We, as in the world, need the knowledge they have witnessed to avoid being in the unwise position of needing to see the threat at literally your doorstep, before, if ever, you arm yourself and get ready to be promoted as a hero's hero Eurostyle deathfest.

Posted by: twoslaps at November 03, 2015 03:09 AM (jMwVx)

371 When it comes to time machine stories, they're ably bookmarked by Wells' "The Time Machine", written in 1895, and mainly concerned with the end of humanity -- and David Gerrold's "The Man Who Folded Himself", 1973, which is mainly concerned with self-stimulation.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 03:02 AM (EzgxV)


If you ever get the chance, read "The Man Who Never Grew Young" by Fritz Lieber

Posted by: The 60% Hat at November 03, 2015 03:10 AM (vBeA5)

372 Giving credit, or ignominy as you like, to Merkal is kinda somewhat a little apt, but completely naive to cultural drivers, like Breitbart taught and you forgot.

Derp derp if if someone else elected woulda said something different derp derp.

Posted by: twoslaps at November 03, 2015 03:14 AM (jMwVx)

373 I had always suspected the Feds were crooks and felons, now Obama is making that a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: navybrat at November 03, 2015 03:16 AM (ETxiG)

374 The Great Reagan Kennedy Debate

In 1967, then Gov. Ronald Reagan and Sen. Robert F. Kennedy appeared on a trans-Atlantic broadcast with students/Communist plants called "Town Meeting of the World".

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=10240

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 03, 2015 03:31 AM (vBeA5)

375
Holy Crap!

I'm so glad I was in Germany and Europe 20 years ago when the Germans were only complaining (in whispery voices) about how much the Turks were terrible "litterbugs".

How much longer, do you suppose, will it be before Notre Dame is a mosque and the Louvre and the Musee d'Orsay are burnt to the ground? Middle age castles?...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at November 03, 2015 03:41 AM (4DCSq)

376 I read a article on Sumpte the other day, the neo Nazi may be right but in England a group started up no ware never Nazi like and they seem to have been knocked down.
That's why one needs to vote, it's our only option right now. I don't get the let others do it or its all for nothing. Until something else happens as I said right now it's our only option.
Good morning horde

Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2015 03:46 AM (gE2Li)

377 Go back in time and kill a bunch of the French philosophes, the agitators and community organizers of their day, thereby preventing the French Revolution, the prototype of modern progressive terror. "We are all about Science and Logic... so let's burn the churches, impale the priests, and draft everyone to our newly-built Temples of Reason."

Moreover, no French Revolution means no Napoleon coming in as military dictator in the aftermath, justifying his despotism with "I bring order and peace". And then no drafting a million-strong army and bathing Europe in blood as he tries to conquer it repeatedly.

Which in turn means that the federal-republicanism of the Holy Roman Empire (neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire) which in our timeline fled to America here also survives in Europe, rather than being reorganized into the German Confederation.

Posted by: Blackbutt the Pirate at November 03, 2015 03:47 AM (/kCHc)

378 376 I read a article on Sumpte the other day, the neo Nazi may be right but in England a group started up no ware never Nazi like and they seem to have been knocked down.
That's why one needs to vote, it's our only option right now. I don't get the let others do it or its all for nothing. Until something else happens as I said right now it's our only option.
Good morning horde

Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2015 03:46 AM (gE2Li)




Prepare for voting and worse.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 03, 2015 03:49 AM (EzgxV)

379 Posted this before , there was a discussion on the radio about a study from Mattel young boys want to fight evil people and kill them, young girls want to fight evil people and reason with them. He asked if anyone had seen a War is Not the Answer bumper sticker and was a male

Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2015 03:53 AM (gE2Li)

380 My old insurance company, which I loved, got driven out of business by the costs of Obamacare two years ago. So I signed up with a different company, a big one, one that supposedly would be big enough to absorb the costs of O-care and stay in business. No such luck; they're closing their doors on Dec. 31. So today I enrolled with a third company, one of the few insurers left, and I totally expect for THEM to be going out of business in a couple years.

In the meantime, though, I had to declare my annual income to be $81,000 a year (which is more than twice as much as my actual income) in order to AVOID qualifying for any Obamacare subsidies, since I do not want to go anywhere near those blasted "exchanges." Sure, I'll pay more -- but I'm willing to pay quite a bit to prevent the federal government from having its dirty fingers in my healthcare.

Someone out there please tell me I'm not the only one who has done this.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at November 03, 2015 03:56 AM (HbLZM)

381 Is this thing working? We're did everybody go?

Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2015 05:04 AM (gE2Li)

382 I'm guessing Coast to Coast was pretty riveting tonight

Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2015 05:06 AM (gE2Li)

383 We'reWhere did everybody go?

Posted by: Skip


To bed.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 03, 2015 05:24 AM (xrX4n)

384 sorry zoned out for a little while

Posted by: the real ch3 at November 03, 2015 05:24 AM (4cE2w)

385 I don't care much about Europe being overrun by young, healthy, angry Muslim males. On the other hand, I do mind that Hillary was looking at the same wall lamps that I have. Where is my crowbar ...

Posted by: goon at November 03, 2015 05:46 AM (gy5kE)

386 Mornin'.

Trump book drops today. Cue the usual proceedings. The Slimes will keep it out of the #1 slot and pan or ignore it in the reviews. Progtards will flock to Amazon to leave their drivel(reviews are not turned on yet.) The MFM will lie about the sales figures. The usual script will be followed.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 03, 2015 06:02 AM (HMt16)

387 EMT up.

Posted by: Gmac - IP banned at home - #twoweeks at November 03, 2015 06:07 AM (4pjhs)

388 G'mining, all.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 03, 2015 06:08 AM (VPLuQ)

389 Congrats to the world series champion Royals.
Now really show your stuff by having previous obligations when invited to the white house.
Do NOT want to see a Royals jersey with that lying, racist, elitest, corrupt, freedom hating, dictator wannabe's name on it.

Posted by: teej at November 03, 2015 06:16 AM (1Zi6N)

390 Europe has a population of 700 million

Posted by: righter at November 03, 2015 07:03 AM (nHbAq)

391 How does Kasparov's quote not apply to Obama and our own leadership, too? How many freedoms have we handed over in the name of "Security?" How much treasure have we poured into our leaders' pockets in the name of "fairness" or "progress?"

China and Russia learned from observation.

Posted by: RobM1981 at November 03, 2015 07:55 AM (zurJC)

392 If you believe Gavrilo Princip is the most influential person of the 20th Century, would you say that Mohammed Atta has been the most influential person of the 21st?

bin Laden gets too much of the credit for 9/11.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 03, 2015 11:04 AM (r1fLd)

393 I thought "NPR voice" was that calm, modulated voice that is used to remind you that NPR is brought to your area by sponsors like you and the local food co-op, a boutique for dogs and that doddering old couple who made their money in the 60s through selling insurance and real estate.

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