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Open Thread
John Francis Murphy, "Sunset Landscape" (n.d.)
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 24, 2015 10:06 AM (t2KH5)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 10:06 AM (LUgeY)
Posted by: blaster at September 24, 2015 10:07 AM (2Ocf1)
That looks like Mississippi Burning to me.
"The Apocalypse : The Time of Fire"
I feel a book coming on.
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at September 24, 2015 10:07 AM (BiZyI)
Posted by: OCD 'Ron at September 24, 2015 10:08 AM (B1ik8)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:08 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: anon a mouse at September 24, 2015 10:08 AM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 10:08 AM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:09 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 10:09 AM (0O7c5)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 10:09 AM (+Q7pl)
Posted by: Zombie Robbo The Llama Butcher at September 24, 2015 10:09 AM (fDuTX)
Posted by: NotCoach at September 24, 2015 10:10 AM (rsudF)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:10 AM (zOTsN)
259 I hit my $6,000 out of pocket insurance limit in February when I had two back surgeries. The second one was to fix the infection from the first one. Now 8 months later I'm having more surgery because they didn't notice some problems that absolutely dwarfed the issues they "fixed" in February. I'll be lucky if I'm not in a wheelchair before New Years. Fuck.
Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at September 24, 2015 10:06 AM (ROUi
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Prayers for your health, dbs
Posted by: @votermom at September 24, 2015 10:11 AM (cbfNE)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:11 AM (zOTsN)
Yeah, me neither.
Wonder what's going through Biden's head?
"Muffins! I want muffins!! I wonder if they'll serve muffins after this? Blueberry muffins, chocolate chip muffins, banana muffins...."
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 10:11 AM (NOIQH)
Posted by: jwest at September 24, 2015 10:11 AM (Zs4uk)
Biden looks like he's wondering what the Pope's hair smells like.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:12 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: steevy at September 24, 2015 10:12 AM (sPO3u)
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at September 24, 2015 10:12 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: OCD 'Ron at September 24, 2015 10:12 AM (B1ik8)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 24, 2015 10:12 AM (xq1UY)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 10:12 AM (LUgeY)
What, 3 minutes and no "Francis" jokes?
I'm so disappointed.
Posted by: anon a mouse at September 24, 2015 10:08 AM (C9pBZ)
Lighten up.
Posted by: Methos at September 24, 2015 10:12 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 10:12 AM (1+XCd)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:12 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Who Knows at September 24, 2015 10:13 AM (W+Itt)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2015 10:13 AM (OGm46)
Posted by: Adriane the Critic ... at September 24, 2015 10:13 AM (qOsoH)
Boehner sure does inspire confidence with his constant weeping. Has he hit menopause?
Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2015 10:13 AM (OGm46)
turns out he cries on command.....he's a faker.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 10:13 AM (0O7c5)
I need subtitles
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:11 AM (zOTsN)
No kidding.
This morning I had a toasted slice of the most amazing Pumpkin Pecan bread from Sam's Club.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:14 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2015 10:13 AM (OGm46)
You've never heard of a crying drunk?
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at September 24, 2015 10:15 AM (BZAd3)
And NO I am not and will not watch a commie one sided pope address a bunch of gutless lunatics otherwise known as the US Congress.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2015 10:15 AM (gf8BH)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:15 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:15 AM (FsuaD)
What, then, has kept Europe quiet?
The answers are three artifacts of World War II that are rarely mentioned, but should be. None have anything to do with the EU.
One reason is American-led NATO. The treaty organization channeled national militaries into a central armed force led by an American policeman that never quite left its beat after the end of World War II.
Compare and contrast with Iraq.
Now that we have an anti-colonial, anti-american president, what happens in the world? What comes next? What happens when American power is neutered? What happens when the policeman stops policing?
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at September 24, 2015 10:16 AM (BiZyI)
I toasted a chocolate chip pancake from the frozen aisle of Safeway ... does that count?
Posted by: Adriane the Ethnic Cuisine Critic ... at September 24, 2015 10:16 AM (qOsoH)
Where's Garret Morris when we need him?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 10:16 AM (LUgeY)
Posted by: OCD 'Ron at September 24, 2015 10:17 AM (B1ik8)
which I think is a very good sign
NC really has the best coverage on his visit:
http://www.ncregister.com
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 10:17 AM (1+XCd)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2015 10:17 AM (gf8BH)
I'm waiting for a movie. He is so difficult to understand they do not always know when they should be clapping.
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:17 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: franksalterego at September 24, 2015 10:17 AM (Fh+WR)
I'm still waiting to hear from you. Husband was "concerned" last night when he came home and saw it in the garage.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:17 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 10:17 AM (NOIQH)
Posted by: steevy at September 24, 2015 10:18 AM (sPO3u)
They said, first you'll see a bright flash. Then the heat wave comes....
Posted by: IP at September 24, 2015 10:18 AM (aQQbl)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 24, 2015 10:18 AM (9krrF)
Pope in Italian is Papa. The Kraut Pope was named Ratzinger.
Italians called him Il Paparazzo.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 24, 2015 10:18 AM (JtwS4)
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Posted by: @votermom at September 24, 2015 10:18 AM (cbfNE)
in the world? What comes next? What happens when American power is
neutered? What happens when the policeman stops policing?
Hint: See Baltimore, Ferguson, et al.
Posted by: Methos at September 24, 2015 10:19 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 10:19 AM (JO9+V)
AAAARRRRRGGGGHH!!!!!!!
*WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM*
*pant pant pant*
*exhales slowly*
Not feeling much better. Too early to start drinking, too. Damn.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 10:20 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:20 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: @votermom at September 24, 2015 10:20 AM (cbfNE)
Ah - much better. Faith restored, horde.
Posted by: anon a mouse at September 24, 2015 10:20 AM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: OCD 'Ron at September 24, 2015 10:17 AM (B1ik
I caught that part. Also caught his "land of the free, home of the brave" at the beginning and the first part of his reference to Moses. But aside from that I'm only catching a few words out of each sentence. He's not comfortable speaking English (he knows very little of it) and it shows. I guess I'll have to read the transcript.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 24, 2015 10:20 AM (KkVB6)
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 10:19 AM (JO9+V)
And Elevensies in about 40 minutes.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 10:20 AM (2Ojst)
White flecks and streaks are damage on the surface like scraping across a ball. There is nothing in the image or suggested around it for a hundred miles that could make that type of reflection throughout. And the red is just a couple berries he found and smeared on top of wet paint because he realized, man, I gotta do something here.
Posted by: bour3 at September 24, 2015 10:20 AM (5x3+2)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:21 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 10:21 AM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Who Knows at September 24, 2015 10:22 AM (W+Itt)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:22 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 24, 2015 10:22 AM (KkVB6)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 24, 2015 10:22 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:23 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 24, 2015 10:23 AM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:23 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:23 AM (FsuaD)
Club for growth, nro, heritage, all connected and led by same guy.
This saddens me, as I'm a huge DeMint fan. Is there anyone who represents us anymore and not the fucking globalists??? From where i sit we have sessions and trump. Maybe cruz.
Fuck nro, half of them look like pederasts. If that's conservative, i want no part of it.
I'm fine with nationalist.
Posted by: Prescient11 at September 24, 2015 10:24 AM (S85kT)
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 24, 2015 10:24 AM (KkVB6)
Posted by: NotCoach at September 24, 2015 10:10 AM (rsudF)
Painting needed a sealer coat.
Posted by: BignJames at September 24, 2015 10:24 AM (j7iSn)
Posted by: Baldy at September 24, 2015 10:24 AM (sEXjW)
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 24, 2015 10:22 AM (KkVB6)
I thought Segways took you over the edges of cliffs.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 10:24 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 10:25 AM (LUgeY)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:26 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 24, 2015 10:22 AM (KkVB6)
I thought Segways took you over the edges of cliffs.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 10:24 AM (2Ojst)
Lol. Autocorrect hates me. And I hate it, so it's a mutual loathing.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 24, 2015 10:26 AM (KkVB6)
I mean, really.
Posted by: franksalterego at September 24, 2015 10:17 AM (Fh+WR)
I just told my wife last night that I was thinking of taking an English as a second language course.
It seems I'm having problems communicating with younger waitresses/waiters and clerks. I try to use the English I've learned over the past 60 years, but apparently there is something new out there.
Maybe I should talk slower and louder...
Posted by: jwest at September 24, 2015 10:26 AM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 24, 2015 10:26 AM (9krrF)
NRO still wrong:
But the fever-swamp version of his presidency
; that he is a foreigner, a closet Islamist, a man singularly bent upon
the destruction of the United States of America is wrong.
Another assertion without proof contradicted by every days evidence.
Posted by: DaveA at September 24, 2015 10:26 AM (DL2i+)
Some people heard about this in the ONT several days ago, but for those who didn't I am asking for prayer. I am serving a really dysfunctional church, but beyond being dysfunctional there's something supernatural going on. I've dealt with angry, dysfunctional people before but I've never dealt with a power that's trying to thwart the Gospel going forth in quite this way. Those that reject supernatural explanations of things can laugh and post a dismissive reply and that's their prerogative of course, but I'm serious. It's not that I believe the devil and demons are under every rock-or that, for instance, if I get a flat the devil is trying to thwart me. I believe in individual and human evil but I also believe in powers and principalities (because St Paul speaks of them) beyond the human. I am trying to enlist all the prayer warrior support I can and I am most grateful.
And if Michael the hobbit is around can you do a remote deliverance service? :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 10:26 AM (1+XCd)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 24, 2015 10:28 AM (E5UB0)
They are calling at the "do unto others" line as it's the only one they can recognize. He is really hard to understand
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:28 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 24, 2015 10:28 AM (E5UB0)
We might be able to help. You're going to need silver, holy water, and a metric buttload of salt.
Posted by: Sam and Dean Winchester at September 24, 2015 10:28 AM (2Ojst)
I'll add you to my prayer list. And yes, I do believe in the things you're speaking of.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:28 AM (FsuaD)
Merton was rather liberal, but he had a profound depth of Christian spirituality. I say this as someone who has real almost all of his books.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 10:28 AM (1+XCd)
So, is Cruz polling low because he is not well liked, or because the Establishment is loaded against his type, and asks loaded questions and is generally against folks like him?
Posted by: Sambo at September 24, 2015 10:28 AM (9UV3C)
You've got my prayers, and I highly recommend asking for help and protection from St. Michael the archangel.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 24, 2015 10:29 AM (KkVB6)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 24, 2015 10:22 AM (JtwS4)
Agreed. Even though they may have gone into parabolic shape from gravity's effects, it just ain't the same without her.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 10:29 AM (JO9+V)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:30 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at September 24, 2015 10:30 AM (7RXcs)
Nancy Pelosi just went up in smoke.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:30 AM (FsuaD)
Where's Garret Morris when we need him?
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Would a belly belly good baseball player do in a pinch?
Posted by: Chico Escuela at September 24, 2015 10:30 AM (a7Dd7)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:30 AM (zOTsN)
You'll not get that from me. Without going into details I'm not really comfortable with discussing, I've seen it. Any idea what in particular might have attracted attention? These things are seldom as random as they appear.
Also, and I mean it literally when I use this phrase, for the love of God, find someone expert, wise, and qualified for dealing with such if you're certain that's part of the mix. That ain't stuff to be trifled with.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 24, 2015 10:31 AM (9krrF)
I'm still waiting to hear from you. Husband was "concerned" last night when he came home and saw it in the garage.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:17 AM (FsuaD)
That's for disposing of the bodies, no?
Posted by: Sambo at September 24, 2015 10:31 AM (9UV3C)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 10:31 AM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 24, 2015 10:32 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: OCD 'Ron at September 24, 2015 10:32 AM (B1ik8)
Posted by: Popeanofortissimo at September 24, 2015 10:32 AM (iIVyq)
And then he went on for another three sentences about the death penalty.
And then on to Dorothy Day, who loved unions and Fidel Castro
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:33 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:33 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Bill "Bent Crank" Clinton at September 24, 2015 10:33 AM (ppaKI)
Posted by: Baldy at September 24, 2015 10:34 AM (sEXjW)
Much has been said about Francis and his "charisma" as compared to that old stick in the mud (according to the media) Benedict. What charisma? I'm Catholic and I don't see much charisma. JPII had charisma. This one - no.
Not that that should be a requirement for the job, but again it's a case of the media pulling something out of their butt because they like the message.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 10:34 AM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 24, 2015 10:22 AM (JtwS4)
True, dat.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 24, 2015 10:34 AM (7MWCL)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:34 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: S. Flook at September 24, 2015 10:34 AM (dOD0J)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:33 AM (zOTsN)
Loved her in all those Rock Hudson rom-com movies.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 10:34 AM (JO9+V)
Prayers for strength, FS.
Something is definitely going on and it seems to be everywhere. And it ain't good. Hell is rising and drawing in the weak in surprising and unexpected places, such as with this pope. (see my comment in the previous thread about the things he could be promoting, but isn't).
I'm seeing bad things I never thought possible before. The whole world seems to be going crazy all at once.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 10:34 AM (LUgeY)
"But, but, but, but...abortion is a sacrament!!"
- Nancy Pelosi
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 10:35 AM (NOIQH)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:35 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 24, 2015 10:35 AM (evdj2)
And of course they would NEVER lie about a total pud being a charismatic, awesome speaker...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 24, 2015 10:35 AM (9krrF)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:35 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Who Knows at September 24, 2015 10:35 AM (W+Itt)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 24, 2015 10:35 AM (evdj2)
And he should give his speech in ROME where he belongs
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2015 10:36 AM (gf8BH)
Posted by: vivi at September 24, 2015 10:36 AM (PuvvV)
Seriously, this. PP is just one example.
Evil is rearing its ugly head, tearing away at the margins of our cultural fabric.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 10:36 AM (NOIQH)
Meh. For better or worse he's a world leader.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 24, 2015 10:36 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Draki at September 24, 2015 10:36 AM (0eidE)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 24, 2015 10:35 AM (evdj2)
or Esperanto
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at September 24, 2015 10:37 AM (7RXcs)
Posted by: Who Knows at September 24, 2015 10:35 AM (W+Itt)
Good. where is my share? Oh and popie, where is the Jewish Gold you have hidden beneath the Vatican ha?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2015 10:37 AM (gf8BH)
Posted by: steevy at September 24, 2015 10:37 AM (sPO3u)
And there he goes again on climate change.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:37 AM (FsuaD)
as compared to that old stick in the mud (according to the media)
Benedict. What charisma? I'm Catholic and I don't see much charisma.
JPII had charisma. This one - no.
Not that that should be a requirement for the job, but again it's a
case of the media pulling something out of their butt because they like
the message.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 10:34 AM (u0lmX)
Mooch's grace, charm, beauty, and fashion sense. Laura Bush? Just an old dishrag.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 10:37 AM (JO9+V)
I'm seeing bad things I never thought possible before. The whole world seems to be going crazy all at once.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 10:34 AM (LUgeY)
You ever get the feeling God went on vacation like Forrest Gump's dad? Or went to the corner store to get cigarettes when you were 6 years old and never came back?
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 10:37 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:37 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 24, 2015 10:37 AM (E5UB0)
I'd rather hear Fr. Guido Sarducci.
Posted by: BignJames at September 24, 2015 10:37 AM (j7iSn)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 24, 2015 10:36 AM (evdj2)
Meh, hopefully he'll bring up abortion and show the catholic dems for the frauds they are.
Posted by: Draki at September 24, 2015 10:38 AM (0eidE)
Prayer, Fenelon. Stay strong.
Yes, I've seen people who don't much like the message of Christianity try to destroy parishes from within. They don't want to just leave and go join the Unitarians or Buddhists or the Angry Atheists, they want to subvert.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 10:38 AM (u0lmX)
The Lord is there to be your Shepard, even if you walk through the Valley of Death ...
Posted by: Adriane ... at September 24, 2015 10:38 AM (qOsoH)
Posted by: blaster at September 24, 2015 10:07 AM (2Ocf1)
Not really. Smart people are going to watch CNN, MSNBC, etc. because they are really the "fair and balanced" network.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 24, 2015 10:38 AM (DofIg)
Posted by: The Jebmeister at September 24, 2015 10:38 AM (22uju)
James Garfield could have written it out in Greek as he gave it.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 24, 2015 10:38 AM (xq1UY)
What attracted them? We are dealing with issues that should have been dealt with decades ago and I am the current lay people I work with most closely are more charismatic/conservative the previous pastors. The previous pastors let stuff go didnt try to change much stuff.
I haven't heard back from my supervisor. I like him but I don't know if he thinks this is wacky or not although he knows there are some nasty.dysfuntional people up there. I told him I would go to the RC if my superiors can't or won't help.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 10:38 AM (1+XCd)
Posted by: Who Knows at September 24, 2015 10:38 AM (W+Itt)
Posted by: BignJames at September 24, 2015 10:37 AM (j7iSn)
Now that man had presence.
Posted by: Draki at September 24, 2015 10:38 AM (0eidE)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 24, 2015 10:35 AM (evdj2)
or Esperanto
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah
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What would Jeb do? If he were transported to first century Palestine, he'd deliver the sermon on the mount in Spanish.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 24, 2015 10:38 AM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 10:37 AM (2Ojst)
God didn't abandon us. This country left him.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 10:39 AM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 24, 2015 10:39 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: BignJames at September 24, 2015 10:37 AM (j7iSn)
Now that man had presence.
Posted by: Draki at September 24, 2015 10:38 AM (0eidE)
Five minute university was classic.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 10:39 AM (2Ojst)
Does anyone know the policy of Vatican City about illegal immigrants? Is
it a sanctuary city? How many illegals are in Vatican City? Anyone?
Anyone?
Posted by: vivi at September 24, 2015 10:36 AM (PuvvV)
The Vatican recently said they will accept one refugee family within their walls.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:39 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2015 10:40 AM (OGm46)
Politics is show business for uglo americans. It's all a theater production. It's all fake. No one believes anything anyone is saying, not even themselves.
John McCain : "Fight, Fight, Fight", sotto voce hahahaha. Sounds of applause and cheering.
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at September 24, 2015 10:40 AM (BiZyI)
At least 805 others were injured in the crush at Mina, a few kilometers east of Mecca, caused by two large groups of pilgrims arriving together at a crossroads on their way to performing the "stoning the devil" ritual at Jamarat, Saudi civil defense said.
Thursday's disaster was the worst to befall the pilgrimage since July 1990, when 1,426 pilgrims were crushed to death in a tunnel near Mecca. Both stampedes occurred on Eid al-Adha (Feast of the Sacrifice), Islam's most important feast and the day of the stoning ritual.
Great religion ys got there?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2015 10:41 AM (gf8BH)
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands)
Agree.
And now, reaping what we've sown.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 24, 2015 10:41 AM (/Ho8c)
Thursday's disaster was the worst to befall the pilgrimage since July 1990, when 1,426 pilgrims were crushed to death in a tunnel near Mecca. Both stampedes occurred on Eid al-Adha (Feast of the Sacrifice), Islam's most important feast and the day of the stoning ritual.
Soccer hooligans are better behaved.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 10:41 AM (2Ojst)
Matthew 5: 23,24
myutmost.org/classic/today
Oswald Chambers
My Utmost for His Highest
Daily Meditation September 24
Posted by: Sambo at September 24, 2015 10:41 AM (9UV3C)
As the scripture predicted, brother. We Christians must submit ourselves to Christ regularly and put on the full armor of God intentionally every day, and I trust that faithful Jewish believers are praying as well.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 10:42 AM (1+XCd)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 10:42 AM (+Q7pl)
At least 717 pilgrims were killed on Thursday in a stampede outside the
Muslim holy city of Mecca, Saudi authorities said, the worst disaster to
strike the annual haj pilgrimage in 25 years.
Uh-oh. Clock Boy and his family are scheduled to go there. Perhaps they saw his "clock" and ran, thinking it was a bomb.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:42 AM (FsuaD)
It's true. The RCC takes such things very seriously. Of course they also like to have documented instances of phenomena before dispatching anyone to investigate or take action; sometimes the answer is sadly quite mundane in nature--we humans are capable of an amazing amount of chaos on our own, frankly!
Prayers being escalated, of course. Even if what you're facing is just mortal humans, such vexation is never a good thing.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 24, 2015 10:42 AM (9krrF)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2015 10:41 AM (gf8BH)
Nice little day-brightener, that one. Darwin smiles.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 24, 2015 10:42 AM (7MWCL)
Sorry, I just can't type Caitlyn! without the exclamation point.
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at September 24, 2015 10:43 AM (7RXcs)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 10:42 AM (+Q7pl)
Well it is Allitalia after all
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2015 10:43 AM (gf8BH)
I have sent you an e-mail on the subject you mentioned :^). I hope the CLE is going well or is over.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 10:43 AM (1+XCd)
Posted by: Garrett at September 24, 2015 10:43 AM (MRjwY)
Posted by: steevy at September 24, 2015 10:43 AM (sPO3u)
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 24, 2015 10:44 AM (BvMja)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:44 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 10:44 AM (NOIQH)
Mossad pigeons! Mossad pigeons! RUN!!
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 10:44 AM (+Q7pl)
I wake up with that feeling pretty much every day.
How much suffering is enough? Why is there no one to counter this hell on Earth? No one to truly stand up for Good and call out the ones who need to be chastised, like Castro, Putin, TFG and the many other power-mad oppressors?
WTF God?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 10:44 AM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 24, 2015 10:45 AM (xq1UY)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2015 10:45 AM (OGm46)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 10:45 AM (1+XCd)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 10:46 AM (2x3L+)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:46 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: steevy at September 24, 2015 10:43 AM (sPO3u)
I expect the Pope buys "carbon credits" from some crooked company in Euroland, which then turns around and donates an equal sum to the Church. Pope gets his eco-conscience salved, Church is out no money, and company gets a tax write-off.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 24, 2015 10:46 AM (7MWCL)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:46 AM (FsuaD)
Some Jewish doctors refer to it as the yarmulkal valve.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 24, 2015 10:46 AM (NeFrd)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 10:47 AM (1+XCd)
Some people heard about this in the ONT several days ago, but for those who didn't I am asking for prayer. I am serving a really dysfunctional church, but beyond being dysfunctional there's something supernatural going on. I've dealt with angry, dysfunctional people before but I've never dealt with a power that's trying to thwart the Gospel going forth in quite this way. Those that reject supernatural explanations of things can laugh and post a dismissive reply and that's their prerogative of course, but I'm serious. It's not that I believe the devil and demons are under every rock-or that, for instance, if I get a flat the devil is trying to thwart me. I believe in individual and human evil but I also believe in powers and principalities (because St Paul speaks of them) beyond the human. I am trying to enlist all the prayer warrior support I can and I am most grateful.
And if Michael the hobbit is around can you do a remote deliverance service? :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 10:26 AM (1+XCd)
Fenelon, I know exactly of what you speak. I am in prayer for you right now, pray for me also, and the spread of the Gospel.
And remember, a spiritual battle must be fought with spiritual weapons. Put on the full armor of God. Also, remember, that the God who you serve has all dominion over this trouble and he already know the outcome. Whatever you are facing, your only job is to 1) do justly, 2) love mercy, and 3) walk humbly with your God. You cannot carry the weight of the final outcome or hold yourself responsible for more than those three things.
Posted by: Sambo at September 24, 2015 10:47 AM (9UV3C)
Stoning. Ritual.
And people got hurt during that?
What's the holiday with self-flagellation?
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 10:47 AM (NOIQH)
I don't mean to be dismissive but aren't people crushed every year during pilgrimages to Mecca?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 10:47 AM (1+XCd)
I believe so. Have no idea why.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:47 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 24, 2015 10:47 AM (E5UB0)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 10:48 AM (2x3L+)
The thing is, God punishes us a lot of the time by allowing us to punish ourselves by getting what we want. All this dysfunction and craziness is a result of all the crap that a lot of people have been pushing for decades. Society got what it wanted and now it's living the consequences. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind and all.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 24, 2015 10:48 AM (KkVB6)
WTF God?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 10:44 AM (LUgeY)
Like I said, people have free will. If they choose to turn away from God and act like shits, He's not going to stop them.
Let's not blame God for f-ups that are entirely caused by humans. It's not God who is selling baby parts for money - those are people who have chosen to go with the other side.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 10:48 AM (u0lmX)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 24, 2015 10:49 AM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at September 24, 2015 10:49 AM (PFy0L)
Posted by: ThunderB
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I agree. It's beautiful.
Posted by: NSA at September 24, 2015 10:49 AM (E5UB0)
Not to mention the MERS outbreaks every year.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 10:50 AM (NOIQH)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:50 AM (zOTsN)
I don't mean to be dismissive but aren't people crushed every year during pilgrimages to Mecca?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 10:47 AM (1+XCd)
The authorities blamed it on the "undisciplined pilgrims" who refused to follow the rules. Big surprise
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 10:50 AM (2x3L+)
And if Michael the hobbit is around can you do a remote deliverance service? :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 10:26 AM (1+XCd)
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There is definitely supernatural evil out there.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 24, 2015 10:50 AM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 10:47 AM (1+XCd)
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Certainly seems to be a pretty regular occurrence. To be strictly fair, I believe there have been such events at Christian and Hindu pilgrimages, too, but nowhere near as commonly.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 24, 2015 10:50 AM (7MWCL)
psychokinetic energy in the New York area. Based on this morning's
sample, it would be a Twinkie... thirty-five feet long, weighing
approximately six hundred pounds.
Be safe out there, FS.
Posted by: Dr. Egon Spengler at September 24, 2015 10:50 AM (JO9+V)
If I may suggest some nice Satie, whom I just discovered...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR2DbU5Uq-4
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 10:50 AM (LUgeY)
Um, that's kinda supposed to be US.
Which, I suspect, is the problem--we haven't.
Don't want to walk away from our jobs. We have families to look after. Lives to lead...
Almost like it's not worth it to make sacrifices for what's good and right.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 24, 2015 10:50 AM (9krrF)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 24, 2015 10:51 AM (NeFrd)
Thanks, brother. I appreciate the messages and the prayer so very much.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 10:51 AM (1+XCd)
Piaggio has a tenuous link to Ferrari, which until recently had a tenuous link to Fiat. And they make the Avanti, an actual efficient airplane. Asking too much, I guess.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 24, 2015 10:51 AM (xq1UY)
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No, Lizzh, they throw stones at a pillar of something to stone the devil. I'd prefer if they self-flagellate.
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 10:52 AM (2x3L+)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 10:44 AM (LUgeY)
Like I said, people have free will. If they choose to turn away from God and act like shits, He's not going to stop them.
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If anyone is interested in the Calvinism vs. Arminianism debate, I'd recommend James White's aomin.org.
Haven't been there in many years, but he's had a series of debates with prominent Arminians (free-will people) that will serve to introduce you to the relevant passages and concepts.
Posted by: NSA at September 24, 2015 10:52 AM (E5UB0)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2015 10:45 AM (OGm46)
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That's grade A snark right there. Bravo!
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 24, 2015 10:52 AM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 10:52 AM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 10:47 AM (NOIQH)
Ashura...it's a Shia thang.
Posted by: BignJames at September 24, 2015 10:52 AM (j7iSn)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 10:53 AM (zOTsN)
Yes, I've seen people who don't much like the message of Christianity try to destroy parishes from within. They don't want to just leave and go join the Unitarians or Buddhists or the Angry Atheists, they want to subvert.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 10:38 AM (u0lmX)
The church I went to as a kid...the pastor decided he was Unitarian and didn't tell anyone. Slowly morphed the place from Baptist to Unitarian until they got called out on it and had to disassociate from the Baptist church. And now they've lost their building and I guess the church went bellyup.
Posted by: Lea at September 24, 2015 10:53 AM (lIU4e)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 24, 2015 10:49 AM (Zu3d9)
Avoid "oil-free" compressors, unless you absolutely must have oil-free air. They are exceedingly noisy, and wear out rapidly, and have to be regarded as a disposable appliance.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 24, 2015 10:53 AM (7MWCL)
Posted by: Eromero at September 24, 2015 10:53 AM (go5uR)
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 10:52 AM (NOIQH)
Not exactly stunned but that. I have a feeling that genuine religious belief is quite rare in DC.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 24, 2015 10:54 AM (KkVB6)
Aren't Fiat and Ferrari part of the Chrysler group or did that break apart?
Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2015 10:54 AM (OGm46)
I don't mean to be dismissive but aren't people crushed every year during pilgrimages to Mecca?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
I believe it is very routine, sadly.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 24, 2015 10:54 AM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 10:52 AM (NOIQH)
Well, of course. If Christ Himself was speaking before Congress, someone in the audience would be texting. And Obama would want a selfie with Jesus.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 10:54 AM (u0lmX)
I'd prefer if they self-flagellate.
Posted by: L, Elle
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I believe Iraqi Shiites have a ritual in which the crowd (including children) cut their heads with knives. Not making that up. It has to do with the Sunni-Shia succession dispute. They are protesting that their guy didn't get to succeed Mohammed and receive the caliphate. It's culturally induced sociopathy.
Posted by: NSA at September 24, 2015 10:55 AM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 24, 2015 10:55 AM (BK3ZS)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 10:55 AM (2x3L+)
But don't bother to try to get on air if you don't agree with their stances. Seriously.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:55 AM (FsuaD)
Thanks very much, ThunderB and to everyone else too. Yes, the psalms are a wonderful spiritual resource.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 10:55 AM (1+XCd)
A Baptist friend of mine once told me that the only time the name of Jesus Christ is heard in a Unitarian church is when the janitor falls down the stairs.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 10:56 AM (u0lmX)
But don't bother to try to get on air if you don't agree with their stances. Seriously.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:55 AM (FsuaD)
Inclusive of only what we agree with.
Posted by: Sambo at September 24, 2015 10:56 AM (9UV3C)
The sniper drowned in the swamp.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 24, 2015 10:57 AM (1QsMy)
Thanks; i don't think the have the same power as God and i don't cede them power but they're more than nuisance and they're in battle too. Yes, I know the Saint Michael prayer and i like it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 10:57 AM (1+XCd)
I'd prefer if they self-flagellate.
Posted by: L, Elle
They should be throwing those stones at their own imans instead of a pillar.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 10:57 AM (u0lmX)
Yeah, I saw the crowd throwing stones at a wall that represents the devil or something (do they have the concept of the devil?). It's just that even their rituals are violent. We wave palms, they throw stones, self-flagellate (Shias do this, as someone mentioned upthread).
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 10:57 AM (NOIQH)
I heard on BBC this morning that there's some pressure for an international Islamic organization to take over the Haj because the Saudis have not been managing it well.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 24, 2015 10:58 AM (JtwS4)
before Congress, someone in the audience would be texting. And Obama
would want a selfie with Jesus.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 10:54 AM (u0lmX)
+1
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 10:58 AM (JO9+V)
All clear now?
It's hard to talk to somebody about ruining their brand when their brand is FIAT.
A generation ago, they were all busied up getting out of cars because, no future in it. Know what they were getting into? Nuclear reactors. Fiat nuclear reactors.
Now you just think about that.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 24, 2015 10:58 AM (xq1UY)
I have sent you an e-mail on the subject you mentioned :^). I hope the CLE is going well or is over.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 10:43 AM (1+XCd)
CLE was just for the day, so that's a relief. There were a few interesting things I picked up, but most of it I was aware of, which is really the place you want to be. I did see the email, and read it over. I'm still digesting it and will probably read it again before saying anything about it.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 10:58 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: GMan at September 24, 2015 10:58 AM (sxq57)
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 24, 2015 10:54 AM (KkVB6)
They interviewed one girl - "What did seeing the Pope mean to you"
"Oh, I came to see Ed Sheeran"
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 24, 2015 10:59 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at September 24, 2015 10:59 AM (RD7QR)
A Baptist friend of mine once told me that the only time the name of Jesus Christ is heard in a Unitarian church is when the janitor falls down the stairs.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 10:56 AM (u0lmX)
Zing! I lol'd.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 24, 2015 11:00 AM (KkVB6)
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 11:00 AM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 10:44 AM (FsuaD)
That was an awesome episode. You PC, bro?
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:00 AM (2Ojst)
All clear now?
It's hard to talk to somebody about ruining their brand when their brand is FIAT.
A
generation ago, they were all busied up getting out of cars because, no
future in it. Know what they were getting into? Nuclear reactors. Fiat
nuclear reactors.
Now you just think about that.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 24, 2015 10:58 AM (xq1UY)
Fiat nukuler reactors with Lucas electrical panels?
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 11:01 AM (JO9+V)
LOL. Some of them don't mention God much either. It's mostly about "the Spirit" as if it's a completely human generated thing-that if we just act more loving under our own power we will be. Nothing bad about acting loving but humans have never brought about a utopia and won't.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 11:01 AM (1+XCd)
Posted by: Doom Rider at September 24, 2015 11:01 AM (ck8TA)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 11:01 AM (zOTsN)
- Nancy Pelosi
Hardly. If she thinks about it at all, I'm sure she considers Francis' mild disapproval of abortion as one of those silly things he has to say to keep the nun-humping, inbred conservatives in the Curia happy and to keep the money rolling in. I'm sure she thinks Francis doesn't really believe it.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 24, 2015 11:01 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 24, 2015 10:48 AM (KkVB6)
I didn't want any of this shit.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:02 AM (2Ojst)
Agreed. They all seem to be postmodernistas, for whom there is no right or wrong, no rules and certainly no sense of restraint.
And no empathy.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 11:02 AM (LUgeY)
Um, that's kinda supposed to be US.
Which, I suspect, is the problem--we haven't.
Don't want to walk away from our jobs. We have families to look after. Lives to lead...
Almost like it's not worth it to make sacrifices for what's good and right.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
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Meh. Don't downplay the moral duty you have to friends, family and community.
That too is a good work.
And if the citizens of perverse societies are complicit in that perversion and actually like it, there are limits to what you can do. There are limits from what you are obligated to do.
Jesus told the disciples, if they reject your message, shake the dust from your sandals and go elsewhere.
False burdens of guilt designed to enslave, demoralize and destroy are the left's invention.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 24, 2015 11:02 AM (E5UB0)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 24, 2015 11:02 AM (fWAjv)
No hurry. Take your time. I just didn't want you to think you had slipped my mind or from my prayers. :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 11:02 AM (1+XCd)
Or schools need to observe the Muslim holidays also.
I realize the Baltimore schools are probably in fine shape and can use the extra days off.
Posted by: Colin at September 24, 2015 11:02 AM (T0qev)
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 10:56 AM (u0lmX)
Ha. I went to a Unitarian funeral/memorial service a year or two ago. Damndest thing. Nothing religious at all in the service.
Posted by: Lea at September 24, 2015 11:03 AM (lIU4e)
Posted by: SarahW at September 24, 2015 11:03 AM (3fTXW)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 24, 2015 10:58 AM (JtwS4)
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I dont think it will make any difference who runs it. There are just too many people.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 24, 2015 11:03 AM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 24, 2015 11:03 AM (t06LC)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:02 AM (2Ojst)
Nor did I.
We're outnumbered.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 11:03 AM (u0lmX)
National Divorce is the only real option. We won't force them, and if we make it clear they can't force us, it will already be here.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 24, 2015 11:04 AM (OpK2H)
That too is a good work.
At what point are the everyday actions not enough?
At what point does your duty to friends, family, and community require a great deal more?
I think we missed that point. Now we're fighting a rear guard.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 24, 2015 11:04 AM (9krrF)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 24, 2015 11:04 AM (Iyg03)
I know you are not Catholic, but this is a good prayer lusting
http://www.ewtn.com/Devotionals/prayers/index.asp
Prayer to St Michael the Archangel (short form) is way at the bottom listed as Prayer for Help Against Spiritual Enemies
Posted by: @votermom at September 24, 2015 11:04 AM (cbfNE)
And yes, Walter P. weeps.
Hernando deSoto and his Imperial beard weep.
"Jack Plymouth" and "Joe Fargo" weep.
And Malcolm Mopar is inconsolable.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 24, 2015 11:05 AM (xq1UY)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 11:05 AM (zOTsN)
Now, obviously God had quite a bit to say about how we interact with others, but it's always, always, always because it's a reflection of our relationship with God himself. I tried to point that out and it didn't go over too well. Although my friend herself is very reasonable and we managed to dialogue quite a bit about faith, and specifically Christian teachings.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 24, 2015 11:05 AM (KkVB6)
Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at September 24, 2015 10:59 AM (RD7QR)
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But then you've got the freakin' HellCat with what? 900 HP.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 24, 2015 11:05 AM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: Cycomiko66 at September 24, 2015 11:05 AM (O45yk)
Posted by: Lea at September 24, 2015 11:03 AM (lIU4e)
went to an atheists funeral it was depressing....and odd.....told my kids.....that may have been the saddest thing i ever witnessed.....zero hope....zero....anything......
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 11:05 AM (0O7c5)
Ya'll like yesterday's picture more or today's?
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 24, 2015 11:04 AM (Iyg03)
I liked yesterday's. Today's seems to match the mood of the blog.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 11:06 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 24, 2015 10:58 AM (JtwS4)
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I dont think it will make any difference who runs it. There are just too many people.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 24, 2015 11:03 AM (iQIUe)
The Iranians have been pushing this since the revolution (and since the Saudis killed a bunch of them in '79.)
Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at September 24, 2015 11:06 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 10:56 AM (u0lmX)
I saw a cartoon years ago where Jesus, in His carpentry shop, hit His thumb with a hammer and yelled, "ELVIS H. PRESLEY!"
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 24, 2015 11:06 AM (zF6Iw)
Theologically I have to disagree. The Bible is replete with verses about the default state of man being fallen from God's grace, the wickedness of his heart, and that none is righteous. We don't start in a position of getting to choose to turn away from God, we're already away from God.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:07 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 11:05 AM (zOTsN)
Yes they are! Oh you said Psalms. Nevermind
Posted by: Pedarest Harry at September 24, 2015 11:07 AM (ck8TA)
Give it to Disney. You'd get Fastpass to lick the holy rock, themed halal burger joints, and instead of throwing rocks at some dopey pillars, you'll have a thrilling high-speed chase through mohammed's Medina, blasting the Joos and infidels with an onboard laser cannon.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 24, 2015 11:08 AM (E99n6)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 11:05 AM (0O7c5)
Because, why bother? What does any of it matter?
Posted by: Sambo at September 24, 2015 11:08 AM (9UV3C)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 11:08 AM (2x3L+)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 11:02 AM (1+XCd)
The thought never crossed my mind.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:08 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 24, 2015 11:06 AM (zF6Iw)
Blasphemer! Stone him!! [pre-emptively throws rock]
Posted by: Brian's Mom at September 24, 2015 11:09 AM (JO9+V)
Im still very annoyed by what Tom Brokaw said. What a liar.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 24, 2015 11:09 AM (BvMja)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:02 AM (2Ojst)
Nor did I.
We're outnumbered.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 11:03 AM (u0lmX)
^^^
This.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 24, 2015 11:09 AM (KkVB6)
Posted by: Sambo at September 24, 2015 11:08 AM (9UV3C)
yep....to make matters worse....it was a 13 yr old girl.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 11:09 AM (0O7c5)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 11:05 AM (0O7c5)
Because, why bother? What does any of it matter?
Posted by: Sambo at September 24, 2015 11:08 AM (9UV3C)
Freakiest funeral I've ever been too was my boss's husband's Quaker funeral, which consisted of people sitting around through long stretches of silence and then sometimes listening to congregants talk about the deceased. Nice lunch, though.
Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at September 24, 2015 11:10 AM (RD7QR)
Ran into the mom a few years ago and she asked about D'oh Boy. I told her he was in Afghanistan. She looked "concerned" and sighed and said, "Well, I hope he'll be okay." Then she walked away.
No, "I'll pray for him" or anything like that.
This same family sends out a three page "Christmas" brag letter every year. Doesn't actual mention Christ, but goes on and on about the new cars, trips, how their two super Special Snowflake adult kids are doing, etc., etc.
Ugh.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 11:10 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 24, 2015 11:06 AM (zF6Iw)
you know where Jesus's middle initial came from, i know of all people ....you do.........
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 11:11 AM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Alfred E Neuman at September 24, 2015 11:11 AM (cgxNI)
Posted by: Sambo at September 24, 2015 11:08 AM (9UV3C)
yep....to make matters worse....it was a 13 yr old girl.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 11:09 AM (0O7c5)
That is so, so sad.
Posted by: Lea at September 24, 2015 11:11 AM (lIU4e)
Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at September 24, 2015 11:11 AM (RD7QR)
Don't just take a poll where people say they want happy fun art. It's more interesting when you confront us with something unfamiliar to us and we get to dissect it.
And, you know, find snipers.
Something classy with totally SFW vintage boobies would also be nice.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 24, 2015 11:12 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: kraken at September 24, 2015 11:12 AM (sdxPm)
Posted by: jwest at September 24, 2015 11:12 AM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: D. T. Rump at September 24, 2015 11:13 AM (nFICN)
Posted by: Lea at September 24, 2015 11:11 AM (lIU4e)
it really was/is.....shook me to the core
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 11:13 AM (0O7c5)
I'm done. Hitting "off" button.
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Never trust a man who wears a dress.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 24, 2015 11:13 AM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 11:05 AM (0O7c5)
Because, why bother? What does any of it matter?
Yeah, I had an atheist friend try to talk up an atheist funeral. Sounded kinda hopeless and bleak to me. I can't imagine if it was for a young kid, like a toddler. You can't handle that kind of death without belief in an afterlife. It's impossible.
Most atheists don't even want anything nowadays. Just to be buried in the ground or have their ashes scattered someplace.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 24, 2015 11:13 AM (OpK2H)
probably not outnumbered yet
The Left has an execllent PR machine, we have none.
The Left is motivated, we are not.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 24, 2015 11:13 AM (BvMja)
"Yard Sale Fri/Sat- ALL proceeds benefit Syrian refugees"
WTF? Lol idiots are giving away all their crap I guess. Our relatively affluent county has a dozen food banks, and needs them all. These idiots are worried about some contrived crisis on the other side of the globe?
Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at September 24, 2015 11:13 AM (WDySP)
Well, faith is supposed to be horizontal and vertical. When you lose or leave out the vertical you're left with only the horizontal.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 24, 2015 11:13 AM (KkVB6)
Don't just take a poll where people say they want happy fun art.
It's more interesting when you confront us with something unfamiliar to
us and we get to dissect it.
And, you know, find snipers.
Something classy with totally SFW vintage boobies would also be nice.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 24, 2015 11:12 AM (JtwS4)
Agree. Cromulent. Dissect. Snipers. Boobies. Something Reubeny.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 11:14 AM (JO9+V)
Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at September 24, 2015 11:10 AM (RD7QR)
My grandfather grew up in the Quaker church, but wasn't active in it as an adult. His funeral was Quaker, though, and yeah, that accurately described what it was like.
Posted by: Mainah at September 24, 2015 11:14 AM (659DL)
Scroll down or search on Exorcism until you get to
Part XIII. EXORCISM
and read Chapter I: General Rules on Exorcism
http://www.ewtn.com/library/PRAYER/ROMAN2.TXT
Posted by: @votermom at September 24, 2015 11:14 AM (cbfNE)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 11:09 AM (0O7c5)
How sad.
Posted by: Sambo at September 24, 2015 11:14 AM (9UV3C)
Quakers don't believe in praying aloud, or something. Why she left the church she grew up in and joined them, I have no idea. Except it's in NYC.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 11:14 AM (FsuaD)
All clear now?
Don't think that's the case. Pretty sure that the Chrysler holding company still owns a majority share in both Ferrari and Fiat.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2015 11:14 AM (OGm46)
What do atheists do at a funeral? Is it just a eulogy and the burial?
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 11:14 AM (2x3L+)
Posted by: kraken at September 24, 2015 11:15 AM (sdxPm)
Posted by: Rue Tory at September 24, 2015 11:15 AM (nFICN)
The problem I have with that is why even get out of bed on Sundays for that? Once it's all about what we can do for our fellow man and God's not in the picture, well, just do charity work, volunteer at a hospital or something.
I guess Unitarians are people who want certain "churchy" things - community, pancake breakfasts, ice cream socials and stuff like that without all the God talk. Which is fine - but it seems like it would feel rather hollow after awhile. No more "spiritual" than joining a book club or a bowling league.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 11:16 AM (u0lmX)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 11:16 AM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 24, 2015 11:16 AM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 11:14 AM (JO9+V)
Goya's The Naked Maja.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 24, 2015 11:17 AM (zF6Iw)
L, what the hell do atheists tell their children when a family member dies -- that theyre gonna be worm food??
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 24, 2015 11:17 AM (BvMja)
Posted by: jwest at September 24, 2015 11:12 AM (Zs4uk)
When it comes to Congress and the proclivities of the weirdos in DC, I have a feeling that what those critters would have done to them might be a bit frightening.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 24, 2015 11:17 AM (KkVB6)
We have enough "darkness" in the subject matter we discuss around here so it's nice to have brightness and light in the paintings.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 11:17 AM (u0lmX)
Turtle looks stupid deceitful and Brayner does not have the mental capacity of a 11 year old..
Posted by: Forward Observer at September 24, 2015 11:17 AM (S1WrL)
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Imagine there's no heaven.
It's easy if you try.
- John "Secular Saint" Lennon
Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 24, 2015 11:18 AM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at September 24, 2015 11:18 AM (dQJCS)
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 11:19 AM (NOIQH)
Posted by: jwest at September 24, 2015 11:19 AM (Zs4uk)
The Pope did? Is that a language problem or a blithering idiot problem?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 24, 2015 11:19 AM (Wckf4)
I got the impression from what they said that a social club atmosphere was why they went.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 24, 2015 11:19 AM (KkVB6)
Just to be buried in the ground or have their ashes scattered someplace.
Compromise.
Leave the body at the dump.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 11:19 AM (+Q7pl)
https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/646794265868156929
Posted by: kbdabear at September 24, 2015 11:20 AM (GrXXa)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 11:20 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: kraken at September 24, 2015 11:20 AM (sdxPm)
Fiat is trying to escape Italy. And we did something to deserve them.
Hey, the UN could run the Hajj. It's a world cultural heritage, and popcorn is halal.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 24, 2015 11:20 AM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Rue Tory at September 24, 2015 11:15 AM (nFICN)
Curious, was the drag queen one of the grooms, the officiate, a guest, entertainment, or the caterer?
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at September 24, 2015 11:20 AM (dQJCS)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 11:21 AM (2x3L+)
He who has the gold makes the rules.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 11:21 AM (+Q7pl)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 24, 2015 11:21 AM (YjAHM)
Hmm. My Home Depot doesn't look anything like Santiago de Compostela.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 24, 2015 11:21 AM (E99n6)
Yes.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 11:22 AM (+Q7pl)
Mr Szijjarto told the Hungarian Times: "The name of the fence is 'Temporary Security Border Fence' but I think there is no question that in this case temporary means years.
"It's a self delusion to call this situation a migration crisis; it is a massive migration of nations, with inexhaustible reserves.
"I don't think that the analysis results, stating that 30-35 million people out there could possibly become migrants, would be an exaggeration.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at September 24, 2015 11:22 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 11:22 AM (FsuaD)
So if an atheist has a child with termnal Leukemia and ask what happens when people die....?
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 24, 2015 11:22 AM (BvMja)
Probably all three.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 24, 2015 11:23 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: rdbrewer
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They are all good, and, thanks.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 24, 2015 11:23 AM (9mTYi)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 11:23 AM (2x3L+)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 11:23 AM (1+XCd)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2015 11:23 AM (gf8BH)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 24, 2015 11:23 AM (9krrF)
Did they have the traditional forced Christian pizza catering?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 24, 2015 11:24 AM (E99n6)
Posted by: kraken at September 24, 2015 11:24 AM (sdxPm)
Posted by: donna at September 24, 2015 11:24 AM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 24, 2015 11:24 AM (YjAHM)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 11:24 AM (2x3L+)
"Take a good, long look. It's the last time you'll ever see them".
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 11:25 AM (+Q7pl)
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 24, 2015 11:22 AM (BvMja)
I would hate to have to answer that question. I do believe many people who claim to be atheists are merely angry at their own religious upbringing, so someone in that situation is likely to have a combination of getting even angrier at God, and questioning their own beliefs.
The two go hand in hand.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 24, 2015 11:25 AM (TOk1P)
"Take a good, long look. It's the last time you'll ever see them".
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 11:25 AM (+Q7pl)
Harsh, but consistent.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:25 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 11:14 AM (2x3L+)
this one was at a funeral home....no religious symbols anywhere.....it was an open casket viewing beforehand.....parents stood in front as friends and family passed by to pay their respects......the parents didn't dress as if they were at their childs funeral.....they looked like it was just another run around day....my son was friends with her....i brought him and some of his friends....we paid our respects to the family in a generic fashion....some people from her family spoke while a video of her played in the background.....her friends were all distraught but no mention of "she's in a better place now" came out of anyone's mouths......we never even were told how she died......the kids never were told....there was never any closure for any of the kids.....it was so odd....i looked at the boys and said....how about we leave? they all agreed and we said a prayer in the car for her as we drove home. i can't explain the stone cold emptiness......
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 11:26 AM (0O7c5)
Not without buckles on their shoes and a funny hat.
Posted by: Garrett at September 24, 2015 11:26 AM (MRjwY)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 11:27 AM (1+XCd)
The two go hand in hand.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 24, 2015 11:25 AM (TOk1P)
Interesting theory. I'll put myself out there in response.
Atheist? No.
Angry at my religious upbringing? Somewhat, but only because I feel duped with regard to a lot of things I was taught about life and the nature of God.
Angry at God? You bet your ass.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:27 AM (2Ojst)
The world's most famous Fiat is called "Mephistofeles."
I find a significance in this.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 24, 2015 11:27 AM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 24, 2015 11:27 AM (BvMja)
Don't pilgrims usually, y'know, go home?
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You're thinking of Muslim pilgrims, going to Mecca.
The pope was comparing illegal aliens to American pilgrims. You know, the ones who left behind their safer homes in England to come to a wilderness on this continent. The ones who suffered through harsh winters, sometime starved because they had insufficient food, medicine, and other supplies, the ones who had to fight off hostile native tribes. The pilgrims who worked and sacrificed to build a nation where there was none.
Because today's illegal aliens are EXACTLY like that, right? They're not coming here for food stamps and Medicaid and subsidized housing and Obamaphones and EBT cards. They're not coming here and then marching in our streets demanding more rights, and telling us we'd better watch out, because they'll be the majority soon and then we'll have to dance to their tune. No, just like the American pilgrims, they're enduring all kinds of hardships to build a new nation here in the U.S., where no nation exists.
The pope is full of shit, and he should be ashamed of himself for saying things that are not only factually wrong beyond dispute, but also offensive and insulting to the memory of the dead American pilgrims, and to the millions of their descendants who are alive in America today.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 24, 2015 11:27 AM (a31sM)
Posted by: donna at September 24, 2015 11:28 AM (hUdMz)
I prefer your simple, unadorned art threads much more than CAC's usually were.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 24, 2015 11:28 AM (Wckf4)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 11:28 AM (LUgeY)
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at September 24, 2015 11:29 AM (PFy0L)
Anti-depressants?
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 11:29 AM (NOIQH)
Placid, nice colors and water.
I don't know. There's something eerie about this... I like it...
Posted by: donna at September 24, 2015 11:30 AM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:27 AM (2Ojst)
Excellent. Thus beginneth the relationship. Did in my case, at least.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at September 24, 2015 11:30 AM (vgIRn)
believe many people who claim to be atheists are merely angry at their
own religious upbringing, so someone in that situation is likely to have
a combination of getting even angrier at God, and questioning their own
beliefs.
The two go hand in hand.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 24, 2015 11:25 AM (TOk1P)
Interesting theory. I'll put myself out there in response.
Atheist? No.
Angry at my religious upbringing? Somewhat, but only because I feel
duped with regard to a lot of things I was taught about life and the
nature of God.
Angry at God? You bet your ass.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:27 AM (2Ojst)
I would tell anyone who asks essentially the same thing when it comes to religion/spirituality: Do you have it all figured out? Good for you (I really have nothing to say, otherwise). If you don't, keep looking for the truth, and try to be as honest and open-minded with yourself as you can.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 24, 2015 11:30 AM (TOk1P)
Anything else would be a lie.
Don't believe in God? Fine. But don't make up a place you go to after death just to sugar coat it.
You die, you go into a hole in the ground. Fini.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 11:30 AM (+Q7pl)
Back in the late 80s there was an animated documentary series about AtC's childhood that ran on Saturday Mornings.
It was called 'The Littles'.
Posted by: Garrett at September 24, 2015 11:30 AM (MRjwY)
So if an atheist has a child with termnal Leukemia and ask what happens when people die....?
The leftist (I'll stress leftist) atheist solution is to terminate the child immediately and tell yourself it's better off.
One day, that'll be the norm in leftopia. That kid is broken, I get another.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 24, 2015 11:31 AM (OpK2H)
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 24, 2015 11:27 AM (a31sM)
The pilgrims were protestant. The pope still has a grudge.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 24, 2015 11:31 AM (t06LC)
Posted by donna at September 24, 2015 11:28 AM (hUdMz)
He's a drunk. A blubbering weeping drunk. And 2nd in the line of succession to POTUS.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 11:31 AM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 24, 2015 11:31 AM (YjAHM)
And up comes my urge to slap someone silly for using that idiotic perversion of good advice.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 11:32 AM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 24, 2015 11:32 AM (t06LC)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 11:32 AM (FsuaD)
Wait until he breaks out the "crying clown" paintings.
Posted by: jwest at September 24, 2015 11:32 AM (Zs4uk)
He will simply be reinforced in his desire to help the downtrodden now, with your money.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 24, 2015 11:33 AM (evdj2)
And they didn't say how she died? What a strange thing. Maybe the parents were just in shock?
How awful for the kids who knew her.
Posted by: Lea at September 24, 2015 11:33 AM (lIU4e)
Posted by: VA GOP sucks at September 24, 2015 11:29 AM (PFy0L)
I wonder what the Pope's laptime would be in a moderately priced sedan?
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 11:33 AM (JO9+V)
And up comes my urge to slap someone silly for using that idiotic perversion of good advice.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 11:32 AM (LUgeY)
Perversion of the Golden Rule, sure. From a practical perspective, though, can you say that it is in any way inaccurate?
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:33 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 24, 2015 11:34 AM (evdj2)
He's a drunk. A blubbering weeping drunk. And 2nd in the line of succession to POTUS.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 11:31 AM (JO9+V)
Yeah - and first in line is the paste-eating clown.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 11:34 AM (u0lmX)
things that are not only factually wrong beyond dispute, but also
offensive and insulting to the memory of the dead American pilgrims, and
to the millions of their descendants who are alive in America today.
"With whom the kings of the
earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have
been made drunk with the wine of her fornication."
Posted by: Mortimer at September 24, 2015 11:35 AM (0dcbp)
Made my skin crawl when I saw it (on MSLSD). He smirks at the end (as only he can smirk) and says he's an atheist, "not afraid to burn in Hell."
His father spins in his grave.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 11:35 AM (FsuaD)
Anti-depressants?
________________
Midol.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 24, 2015 11:35 AM (a31sM)
of himself for saying things that are not only factually wrong beyond
dispute, but also offensive and insulting to the memory of the dead
American pilgrims, and to the millions of their descendants who are
alive in America today.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 24, 2015 11:27 AM (a31sM)
The Fresh Pope is just one of many fundamentally unserious thinkers, operating today in a position of authority. Where once adult leadership existed, none is to be found.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 24, 2015 11:35 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 24, 2015 11:32 AM (t06LC)
Being wrong. If you're right you just die and that's the end of your existence. If you're wrong, then you're in outer darkness for all eternity. Of the two, I'd take the end of existence.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:35 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: donna at September 24, 2015 11:28 AM (hUdMz)
I don't think the Pope even began speaking before the waterworks started.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 24, 2015 11:35 AM (fWAjv)
(((Hugs)))
Posted by: @votermom at September 24, 2015 11:35 AM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 24, 2015 11:31 AM (YjAHM)
Nurse Chapel at least?
Posted by: Spock going Pon Farr at September 24, 2015 11:35 AM (JO9+V)
Being wrong. Hell is eternal.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 11:36 AM (+Q7pl)
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Maybe he just realized it will be HOURS until five o'clock.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 24, 2015 11:36 AM (Nwg0u)
It's going to get very light use, and I take care of my tools. Will it still be an issue? If I can get two hours of continuous usage out of it I will be ahead of the game.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 24, 2015 11:36 AM (Zu3d9)
For me, it's the realization that there was nothing Earthly of me before I was born, so there should be nothing Earthly of me after I die.
If people remember me, that's what lasts. God willing, I'll be in a better place and won't need my body anymore.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 11:36 AM (LUgeY)
Posted by: jwest at September 24, 2015 11:32 AM (Zs4uk)
rdbrewer has paintings of Boehner?
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 11:36 AM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at September 24, 2015 11:36 AM (uJK1E)
--
Pascal's wager.
Posted by: @votermom at September 24, 2015 11:37 AM (cbfNE)
You could wind up with the virtuous unbaptized. If Dante wasn't just an Italian satirist they have it pretty decent.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 24, 2015 11:37 AM (OpK2H)
Poster child for daddy issues, that guy!
So many smug Lefties doing all they can to get back at dad. Pathetic.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 11:37 AM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 11:38 AM (u0lmX)
Is Trump really our William Wallace? Honestly? That would make Ted Cruz Robert the Bruce. Which is very disappointing. But you can even crunch popcorn during a depressing movie.
Posted by: Sambo at September 24, 2015 11:38 AM (9UV3C)
Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at September 24, 2015 11:38 AM (uJK1E)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 24, 2015 11:38 AM (evdj2)
I would tell anyone who asks essentially the same thing when it comes to religion/spirituality: Do you have it all figured out? Good for you (I really have nothing to say, otherwise). If you don't, keep looking for the truth, and try to be as honest and open-minded with yourself as you can.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 24, 2015 11:30 AM (TOk1P)
At first that seemed condescending, but I don't think you meant it that way after reading the whole thing in context. I lay no claim to having it all figured out. Hell, I can barely pull myself together to get out of bed in the morning. As far as honest and open-minded with myself...I'm not being sarcastic when I say I really don't know what that means. If you got inside my head for five minutes as to how I perceive myself and the world around me, though, you'd probably run away screaming.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:39 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 11:39 AM (2x3L+)
The US does MORE for all immigrants than other Country in the World ( except for Israel size wise) and so take that crying bullshit and shove it where the sun don't shine and go ask Fidel to take in some.. G-D I hate commies
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2015 11:39 AM (gf8BH)
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 24, 2015 11:32 AM (t06LC)
Being wrong. If you're right you just die and that's the end of
your existence. If you're wrong, then you're in outer darkness for all
eternity. Of the two, I'd take the end of existence.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:35 AM (2Ojst)
Disagree. Being right means this existence really was meaningless. Being wrong though... I believe God is much more forgiving of ignorance than a lot of believers believe.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 24, 2015 11:39 AM (TOk1P)
http://tinyurl.com/ptj95oq
Three courageous women have told how they formed an armed all-female fighting unit and killed up to 10 ISIS jihadis a day to stop the Yazidi genocide on embattled Mount Sinjar.
The women took the extraordinary decision to leave behind their lives in Turkey and travel to Kurdistan, northern Iraq, to end the bloodshed of Yazidis being slaughtered there.
'When we heard ISIS were coming to Sinjar and killing women, we came to stop the humanitarian crisis,' Roza, 22, the youngest of the group, told MailOnline.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 24, 2015 11:39 AM (fWAjv)
Heh. I want better than that.
Michelangelo may have been history's greatest artist but he didn't consider women to be worthy of art.
He painted men and slapped boobies on them at random. Look critically, none of his boobies even make sense.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 24, 2015 11:39 AM (JtwS4)
People are in for the evening...
Posted by: John Stewart at September 24, 2015 11:40 AM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at September 24, 2015 11:38 AM (uJK1E)
Ugh, manna again? And don't pull that smartass thing you did with the quail like last time!
Posted by: The Hebrews in the Wilderness at September 24, 2015 11:40 AM (2Ojst)
Continuing off of BurtTC's remarks, I'm already tired of shallow thinkers getting into positions of extreme power/influence.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 24, 2015 11:40 AM (Wckf4)
No, sadly, I can't say that I do. But the people I heard that from were all pretty much assholes, because they believed that version instead of the meaning of the real one.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 11:40 AM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 11:40 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at September 24, 2015 11:41 AM (wKcQA)
Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at September 24, 2015 11:41 AM (IfSin)
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at September 24, 2015 11:42 AM (PFy0L)
thing when it comes to religion/spirituality: Do you have it all figured
out? Good for you (I really have nothing to say, otherwise). If you
don't, keep looking for the truth, and try to be as honest and
open-minded with yourself as you can.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 24, 2015 11:30 AM (TOk1P)
At first that seemed condescending, but I don't think you meant it
that way after reading the whole thing in context. I lay no claim to
having it all figured out. Hell, I can barely pull myself together to
get out of bed in the morning. As far as honest and open-minded with
myself...I'm not being sarcastic when I say I really don't know what
that means. If you got inside my head for five minutes as to how I
perceive myself and the world around me, though, you'd probably run away
screaming.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:39 AM (2Ojst)
Good, I certainly don't mean to sound condescending. What I mean, if anything, it's that I don't know jack about how this universe works, and I sure as heck don't know how it looks inside anyone else's head.
So at best, if I'm offering suggestions, is for ALL OF US to keep seeking the truth. I think a lot of non-believers do that better than many believers, actually.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 24, 2015 11:42 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 24, 2015 11:38 AM (evdj2)
That's true. History repeats, right? Didn't the Bruce only reign for a short time? I suspect that if a conservative (or even a republican squish) gets elected, this will be the last gasp of the dying republic. After that, we go full leftist.
If I were God, casting these characters, Cruz would be Wallace, Rubio would be the Bruce.
Posted by: Sambo at September 24, 2015 11:42 AM (9UV3C)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 24, 2015 11:43 AM (evdj2)
And thus was the high-fashion model born.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:43 AM (2Ojst)
I would hope not.
I expect some harsh penalties for flouting His Will.
Otherwise, why bother?
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 11:43 AM (+Q7pl)
Every few weeks we hear the stories about women fighting ISIS. I can't help but think it's some way to lull people into a false sense of security.
These women, brave as they are, ain't stopping ISIS. Only a few of the militaries on earth can fight ISIS.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 24, 2015 11:43 AM (OpK2H)
Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at September 24, 2015 11:41 AM (IfSin)
McConnell, who Cruz claims manipulated him...? Might be a good fit.
Posted by: Sambo at September 24, 2015 11:43 AM (9UV3C)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 11:44 AM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:45 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Garrett at September 24, 2015 11:45 AM (MRjwY)
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Ignorance? Probably. The problem is that the vocal atheists I am acquainted with aren't ignorant of God. They hate him. The non-vocal ones? No idea. They could be truly ignorant, and if so I pray God has mercy on them.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 24, 2015 11:45 AM (KkVB6)
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at September 24, 2015 11:42 AM (PFy0L)
He should review the ending of the story of Noah.
Spoiler alert, God said no more deluge in the future.
Posted by: @votermom at September 24, 2015 11:45 AM (cbfNE)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 11:44 AM (2x3L+)
That's true in the movie, but I think you have to give yourself a little artistic license in rewriting the script but maintaining the overall story.
Posted by: Sambo at September 24, 2015 11:46 AM (9UV3C)
Spoiler alert, God said no more deluge in the future.
Posted by: @votermom at September 24, 2015 11:45 AM (cbfNE)
Didn't say anything about SMOD, though.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:46 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: BurtTC at September 24, 2015 11:39 AM (TOk1P)
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I agree with you. Jesus told us that God is love, and love holds no grudges and forgives all.
But I don't think this earthly existence is entirely meaningless. I think we're supposed to learn something from it.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 24, 2015 11:46 AM (a31sM)
Posted by: DJIA Death Watch at September 24, 2015 11:47 AM (evdj2)
+1
It's just unfortunate that the ones that are are usually the most vocal and obnoxious.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 24, 2015 11:47 AM (Wckf4)
Didn't say anything about SMOD, though.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:46 AM (2Ojst)
SMOD is inevitable.
Posted by: @votermom at September 24, 2015 11:47 AM (cbfNE)
That's why I stay out of his way on that subject. That's the path I came down years ago, from agnostic to wherever it is that I am today, a somewhat bitchy believer.
There's some Biblical reference to a woman who's having a difficult birth in relation to spiritual growth. That's about how I feel.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 11:47 AM (LUgeY)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 24, 2015 11:48 AM (lVU49)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 11:48 AM (2x3L+)
He painted men and slapped boobies on them at random. Look critically, none of his boobies even make sense.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 24, 2015 11:39 AM (JtwS4)
Michelangelo: Are the disciples to jewish? I made Judas the most Jewish.
Pope: No, it's just that there are twenty-eight of them.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 11:48 AM (JO9+V)
Posted by: gracepmc at September 24, 2015 11:48 AM (DMQhB)
It's hilarious to me that Ruling Class types still don't understand that their little passive-aggressive T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII swipes make Trump look better to everyone else.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 24, 2015 11:48 AM (S+N7W)
Poster child for daddy issues, that guy!
So many smug Lefties doing all they can to get back at dad. Pathetic.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 11:37 AM (NOIQH)
Oh, sure. He only says that because he doesn't believe in Hell. Daddy issues plus believing there are no consequences for one's actions.
Actually that's one thing that makes life bearable and understandable to me is thinking that there are consequences - the idea that Hitler and Anne Frank are both just worm food and there is no final justice is awful to me.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 11:48 AM (u0lmX)
And I am constantly amazed and impressed with the breadth and depth of knowledge.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 11:49 AM (+Q7pl)
Posted by: Yellowstone Caldera at September 24, 2015 11:49 AM (NOIQH)
We're planning a reprise of last year's SW Ohio MoMe:
Saturday evening, October 17, 7-10 (ish), Beavercreek (I've also locked down a better venue).
Interested parties please let me know: swohmome @ mail.com (no spaces).
Thanks!
Posted by: speedster1 at September 24, 2015 11:49 AM (1brdf)
Otherwise, why bother?
I think the question is how they flout. It's one thing to be angry at God or not believe but still be moral, it's another to be a scumbag who hurts people.
I think people who live decent lives will get introduced to God when they die, and understand.
But I suspect God won't be happy with people who yawn at child harvesting.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 24, 2015 11:49 AM (OpK2H)
i am going going to be creamated, no burial, maybe a short adios service. Am I an atheist? Or just evil.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 24, 2015 11:49 AM (ucDmr)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 24, 2015 11:35 AM (fWAjv)
He was tearing up before anything happened. Maybe Biden cut a really nasty one. I was in a meeting and missed Pope Che. From what I've read I'm glad I did.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 24, 2015 11:50 AM (493sH)
The US does MORE for all immigrants than other Country in the World ( except for Israel size wise) and so take that crying bullshit and shove it where the sun don't shine and go ask Fidel to take in some.. G-D I hate commies
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Yes, Boehner should save some of those tears for the American kids (and grandkids and great-grandkids) upon whose heads he is heaping trillions and trillions of dollars of debt that they'll never be able to repay.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 24, 2015 11:50 AM (a31sM)
Next you'll claim there are libertarians who aren't pot-addled assholes who hate the military.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 24, 2015 11:50 AM (S+N7W)
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and are obsessed with sex
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 11:52 AM (2x3L+)
Try not to be vocal, obnoxious etc while doing that, even better.
You'd be surprised how hard that is. As evidenced, up-thread.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 24, 2015 11:52 AM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Garrett at September 24, 2015 11:45 AM (MRjwY)
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Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Stephen Hawking?
Because science and God are mutually exclusive?
Apparently.
And where does it say Noah and God gave the rainbow to the unicorn crowd?
Posted by: GBruno at September 24, 2015 11:52 AM (u49WF)
We really are at a sad state of affairs.
Posted by: notsothoreau at September 24, 2015 11:52 AM (5HBd1)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 24, 2015 11:39 AM (JtwS4)
Add to that that back in the day, females models were taboo, and it was nigh on impossible to procure one for art.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 24, 2015 11:53 AM (RwwCT)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 24, 2015 11:53 AM (KCQo0)
Posted by: Ian S. at September 24, 2015 11:50 AM (S+N7W)
Now that's just crazy talk!
Full disclosure - I consider myself a libertarian-leaning conservative, though I've never smoked weed and I generally support our military but not the assholes in charge of it right now.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:53 AM (2Ojst)
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2015/09/23/the-ugly-abortion-culture-mindset-
plannedparenthood-and-the-many-lies-the-left-tells-credulous-vagina-voters/
Posted by: Yellowstone Caldera at September 24, 2015 11:53 AM (NOIQH)
I think people who live decent lives will get introduced to God when they die, and understand.
As Donna said above, I hate to think Hitler and Anne Frank were treated the same.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 11:53 AM (+Q7pl)
Spoiler alert, God said no more deluge in the future.
After the flood, came the rainbow sign.
No more water, the fire next time...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 24, 2015 11:53 AM (9krrF)
Posted by: Dead Garrett at September 24, 2015 11:53 AM (MRjwY)
I've called this place mental Wheaties for years. I'm really happy to see that also holds true for spiritual Wheaties, too, despite our jokes about boobehs, crossbows and all the other irreverent stuff.
You just know God lurks in the comments and shakes His Head...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 11:53 AM (LUgeY)
The act of smiling and nodding in response to someone's odd behavior or comment. Spelled smodding when used in gerund form.
Guess I didn't know it all...*sigh*
Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at September 24, 2015 11:53 AM (uJK1E)
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 11:54 AM (JO9+V)
Slight tangent, but I find it amusing that most self-identified "anarchists" are more like Neo-Bolsheviks without any self-awareness.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:54 AM (2Ojst)
The freakiest thing for me here was one day when I was telling a (charming!) story about a possibly rapid possum that turned out to be.
Not one, but two commenters assured me that possums can't carry rabies because rabies needs a host body temperature of X and possums body temperature is X-5.
I mean, damn, that's some arcane knowledge.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 24, 2015 11:55 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 24, 2015 11:56 AM (ucDmr)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 11:56 AM (+Q7pl)
The atheists who drown out the debate are mostly Leftists and relativists.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 24, 2015 11:56 AM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:56 AM (2Ojst)
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Chavez, that's interesting. I think about death all the time. I have m u funeral all planned out. I just need to write it down so the people I leave behind don't screw it up
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 11:56 AM (2x3L+)
I think a lot of Moron Nation leans libertarian in some fashion, it's just that reading any comments section on Reason disabuses you quickly of the concept.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 24, 2015 11:57 AM (S+N7W)
Which is false, about 1 in 800 do, a rate about 1/8 of wild dogs.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 24, 2015 11:57 AM (9krrF)
Mix me in with the Chum and let's go fishing!
Posted by: Dead Garrett at September 24, 2015 11:53 AM (MRjwY)
I want to be served at my wake. As chili.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:57 AM (2Ojst)
If you could choose the people in the compound with you during the burning times, you couldn't go wrong by picking almost any regular commenter here!
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 24, 2015 11:57 AM (ftVQq)
LOL. I was one of them.
I rehabbed wildlife. One of the useless bit of trivia I remember. That and birds can't smell.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 11:57 AM (+Q7pl)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 24, 2015 11:58 AM (ucDmr)
Lucky bastard.
I have to watch you all fap.
Posted by: Holy Ghost at September 24, 2015 11:58 AM (MRjwY)
I want tasers passed out. Last person standing gets my shit.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 11:58 AM (+Q7pl)
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I say this not to be combative, but rather to address the question philosophically.
I think it is impossible to be an atheist without being a moral relativist. In point of fact, any deeply held 'morality' by an atheist must necessarily and ultimately spring from their own judgement, no matter how many external influences there might be.
Therein lies my difficulty. As Maugham said, 'a personal morality is no morality at all', simply because it is malleable and can be altered at will.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 24, 2015 11:59 AM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 24, 2015 11:59 AM (xq1UY)
Nobody has paid attention to poor little Ronnie in a long time. So he's jumped on the "Ahole Atheist" wagon because he has no talent besides finding new ways to say "f you" to the memory of his father. He wasn't even a good ballet dancer.
What a miserable little POS.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 11:59 AM (u0lmX)
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My kid says that when I eventually meet my demise, she will have me turned into a precious gem.
Apparently my job is to keep breathing until she can afford this.
Posted by: @votermom at September 24, 2015 11:59 AM (cbfNE)
He painted men and slapped boobies on them at random.
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Ugh. Men with boobies slapped on them look so gross. That sh*t is messed up.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 24, 2015 11:59 AM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Ian S. at September 24, 2015 11:57 AM (S+N7W)
Yeah, I don't see myself fitting in the WEED AND GHEY BUTTSECKS!!11!!!!111!! crowd.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:59 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 11:59 AM (2x3L+)
Much like how punk music's DIY rallying cry somehow means "Demand free stuff that Isn't Yours!" now.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 24, 2015 12:00 PM (S+N7W)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 11:58 AM (+Q7pl)
So who gets your earthly possessions? Or is that all you're leaving behind?
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 12:00 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 11:46 AM (2Ojst)
SMOD 2016. Now more than ever!
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 24, 2015 12:00 PM (493sH)
drive down my hill and they won't move until the last second. Like
playing chicken with them
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 11:59 AM (2x3L+)
No, but they love playing chicken.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 12:01 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 24, 2015 12:01 PM (+aCe4)
I woke up one morning in April, 2002 and the words, "A great evil is walking the Earth" came out of my mouth involuntarily. Nothing like that had ever happened to me before or has since and I believe it to be the truth.
Posted by: Daybrother at September 24, 2015 12:01 PM (SjCLa)
Lucky bastard.
I have to watch you all fap.
Posted by: Holy Ghost at September 24, 2015 11:58 AM (MRjwY)
I died to atone for all their fapping.
Posted by: Jesus at September 24, 2015 12:01 PM (OpK2H)
Yikes! I better clean up My fucking language...
Posted by: donna at September 24, 2015 12:02 PM (hUdMz)
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I want my ashes packed in a 155 star shell.
Fired over the ocean.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 24, 2015 12:02 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Holy Ghost
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If you're truly omnipotent, prove it. Make it disappear. Then you won't have to watch.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 24, 2015 12:02 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 12:02 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: kraken at September 24, 2015 12:02 PM (sdxPm)
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That's not what we call them in my neighborhood.
To each his own.
Posted by: GBruno at September 24, 2015 12:02 PM (u49WF)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 24, 2015 12:02 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 12:03 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 24, 2015 12:03 PM (zc3Db)
Can there be no morality derived from the development of civilization that is independent of a higher being?
I am not suggesting that there is, but it certainly is possible.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 24, 2015 12:03 PM (Zu3d9)
Unpersuasive.
The same can easily be said of any religious belief system. Especially all of the various denominations of Christianity.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 24, 2015 12:04 PM (Wckf4)
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It is odd about Jr. and his sister. You'd think at least one of them would have inherited some of the old man's better traits. Maybe the environmental factors (growing up in L.A. around all those lefty Hollywood types) are stronger than we realize.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 24, 2015 12:04 PM (a31sM)
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It's how we evolved.
If we sit real still, nothing will notice us.
Posted by: Rabbit at September 24, 2015 12:04 PM (9mTYi)
So, another day ending in "y."
We are the people our parents warned us about.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 12:04 PM (LUgeY)
Therein lies my difficulty. As Maugham said, 'a personal morality is no morality at all', simply because it is malleable and can be altered at will.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 24, 2015 11:59 AM (9mTYi)
Yeah. I know and like some atheists, but I don't think they appreciate how much their own morals are based on Judeo-Christianity.
"All cultures know that murder is wrong!" they say. Really? They thought that in ancient Rome when they performed infanticide? In 1970's Cambodia? Nope, it's not a given.
Hell, look at our own culture. We are less Christian now than we ever have been - are we more moral?
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 12:04 PM (u0lmX)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 12:04 PM (2x3L+)
http://goo.gl/kjEM6s
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 24, 2015 12:04 PM (iQIUe)
Last one standing. But you have to play to be eligible.
Zap away.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 12:04 PM (+Q7pl)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 24, 2015 12:05 PM (m3iiU)
The adopted son is the true son.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 12:05 PM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 24, 2015 11:08 AM (E99n6)
TW!
Although Jack Straw's comment about an Argentinian lecturing us on politics was pretty awesome, too.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 24, 2015 12:05 PM (laMCB)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 12:06 PM (0O7c5)
The Categorical Imperative.
Posted by: iKant at September 24, 2015 12:06 PM (MRjwY)
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 11:38 AM (u0lmX)
Because it presumed to place limits on the Almighty, IIRC.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at September 24, 2015 12:06 PM (vgIRn)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 24, 2015 12:06 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: kraken at September 24, 2015 12:07 PM (sdxPm)
Opinions?
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at September 24, 2015 12:07 PM (1ijHg)
At least someone mentioned the sniper.
Posted by: mindful webworker - I found Jesus at September 24, 2015 12:07 PM (3oX+R)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 24, 2015 12:08 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at September 24, 2015 12:06 PM (vgIRn)
i thought it was because europe had run of of land to bury bodies.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 12:08 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: $18,154,455,799,081.33 at September 24, 2015 12:08 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Burn
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It wasn't intended to be persuasive, it was intended to be an observation.
But, to your point, I am not aware of any Christian denomination that regards The Ten Commandments, or The Golden Rule as 'guidelines'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 24, 2015 12:08 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 24, 2015 12:08 PM (fWAjv)
Yup. It's a shame Maureen died so young.
Posted by: donna at September 24, 2015 12:08 PM (hUdMz)
I agree completely.
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 24, 2015 12:08 PM (Iyg03)
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Not for long. Democracy is defined as 2 wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.
Posted by: GBruno at September 24, 2015 12:08 PM (u49WF)
I am not suggesting that there is, but it certainly is possible.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 24, 2015 12:03 PM (Zu3d9)
No. It isn't possible. People can make up rules but without an outside/higher authority they remain nothing but made up rules that serve no purpose and have no meaning. Anyone else can make up his own rules which are equally valid ... or equally ridiculous, depending on however one wants to characterize them. They are meaningless, either way.
Meaning cannot be found from within a system. Meaning is something that can only be assigned to a system from outside of it.
Lastly, if life is finite and the universe is finite then there is no meaning in anything and cannot be.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 24, 2015 12:09 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 12:09 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 12:02 PM (0O7c5)
Is that a popequote?
Posted by: Lea at September 24, 2015 12:09 PM (lIU4e)
According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, cremation is forbidden IF you are doing it as an act of defiance.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at September 24, 2015 12:09 PM (1ijHg)
I woulda given my Left Nut if Joe Wilson stood up and yelled YOU LIE! to that shitbum pope today.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 24, 2015 12:09 PM (BvMja)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at September 24, 2015 12:09 PM (1ijHg)
Posted by: Garrett at September 24, 2015 12:09 PM (MRjwY)
build a big raft, stock it with scotch, and float down the Ohio River to
oblivion. Preferably on fire.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 24, 2015 12:08 PM (ucDmr)
A viking funeral. I want to have one for me and put the fun back in funeral services.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 12:09 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 24, 2015 12:10 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: donna at September 24, 2015 12:10 PM (hUdMz)
I think it is impossible to be an atheist without being a moral relativist. In point of fact, any deeply held 'morality' by an atheist must necessarily and ultimately spring from their own judgement, no matter how many external influences there might be.
Therein lies my difficulty. As Maugham said, 'a personal morality is no morality at all', simply because it is malleable and can be altered at will.
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I agree. I support conservative morality from a mixture of taste (aesthetics) and self interest. What seems irrational about leftist secularist atheist "morality" is not only that it lacks objective basis, which most like Sam Harris deny, but mainly that it contradicts their stated goals. It is ultimately bad for the causes they support. It is bad for everybody.
I think they need a substitute for God, something they can have faith in and take comfort from, and that is government. In that sense they are not really atheists.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 24, 2015 12:10 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 24, 2015 11:38 AM (u0lmX)
Because it presumed to place limits on the Almighty, IIRC.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at September 24, 2015 12:06 PM (vgIRn)
Yeah, I can resurrect you, but do you have any idea what a pain in the balls it is to put ashes back together into a body? A jeweler's glass, tweezers and model glue make for a really long day. Not complaining, just sayin'.
Posted by: God at September 24, 2015 12:10 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 12:04 PM (2x3L+)
Yeah ... I guess he would have had to. I'm just so sick of this guy. Boner needs to be removed from the Weepership, thrown out Congress, deported out of the nation and blasted into deep space.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 24, 2015 12:10 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 12:04 PM (LUgeY)
We're pedophiles and ax murderers? Fuck. Rough crowd.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 24, 2015 12:11 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 24, 2015 12:11 PM (evdj2)
Poor guy. Laid awake all night, wondering if there really was a Dog.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 24, 2015 12:11 PM (7x4lH)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 24, 2015 12:08 PM (9mTYi) "***
There are certainly various interpretations on the morality of many different actions between various denominations.
And you think the Ten Commandments are immune from interpretation or "personal judgment"? Then why do so many believers support the death penalty?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 24, 2015 12:12 PM (Wckf4)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 24, 2015 12:12 PM (ucDmr)
Basically, he wouldn't trust one for anything.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at September 24, 2015 12:12 PM (1ijHg)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 24, 2015 12:13 PM (493sH)
Posted by: kraken at September 24, 2015 12:13 PM (sdxPm)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 12:14 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at September 24, 2015 12:14 PM (1ijHg)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 24, 2015 12:08 PM (fWAjv)
Is Ahmed Edison there yet? Maybe he can invent crowd control for them
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 24, 2015 12:14 PM (493sH)
Poor guy, went and sold his soul to Santa.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 24, 2015 12:15 PM (7x4lH)
Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at September 24, 2015 12:15 PM (IfSin)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 24, 2015 12:15 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: donna at September 24, 2015 12:15 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 24, 2015 12:16 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 24, 2015 12:12 PM (Wckf4)
Because "thou shalt not kill" was actually "thou shalt not commit murder" and there are plenty of other references in the Bible to capital punishment. For example, Genesis 9:6 - "Whoever sheds man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed, for in the image of God He made man."
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 12:16 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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hehehe. I could mention the Episcopalians, UCC, UU, ELCA, PCUSA, but they are all atheists beneath the skin.
Liberal Christians are the craziest people of all.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 24, 2015 12:16 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: kraken at September 24, 2015 12:13 PM (sdxPm)
Very true. Without Protestantism I don't think you get the Enlightenment, no Enlightenment, no republic or US. Its hard to remember how truly novel the Glorious Revolution was at the time.
In short without a german priest wanting to get laid or an English king who really liked to bang, we're left in some quasi medieval shithole.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 24, 2015 12:16 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 24, 2015 12:12 PM (Wckf4)
Well ... the Torah, where we find the Ten Commandments, has the death penalty in it. Clearly, the death penalty does not go against any of the Ten Commandments.
That was a trick question, right??
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 24, 2015 12:16 PM (zc3Db)
I would say it's slightly more difficult to adjust a moral system which is based on an outside force than one that is based on your own reason.
It's not impossible, and it's certainly happened throughout history for people to find religious justifications for their actions, but I think they at least need to seek the justification. I don't believe someone without a religion really does need to self-rationalize their actions in that way.
As an extreme example, Stalin believe that Ivan the Terrible was the perfect ruler, except that his religion made him repentant and, in Stalin's eyes, weak.
Ivan did bad things, but he regretted them and recognized that ultimately he couldn't justify them. Stalin did bad things, and died planning to do more bad things.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 24, 2015 12:17 PM (OpK2H)
Posted by: GBruno at September 24, 2015 12:17 PM (u49WF)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 24, 2015 12:17 PM (evdj2)
Telling police he became a 'monster', Mr Lopez said he began to insert objects into Ms Nemeth, who was unconscious, and ripped out some of her intestinal tissue.
After failing to revive his girlfriend by splashing water on her face, he called the emergency services.
Works in the movies!
http://tinyurl.com/p8pppys
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 24, 2015 12:17 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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hehehe. I could mention the Episcopalians, UCC, UU, ELCA, PCUSA, but they are all atheists beneath the skin.
Liberal Christians are the craziest people of all.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 24, 2015 12:16 PM (E5UB0)
What do you get when you cross a Jehovah's Witness with a UU?
Someone who knocks on everybody's door on Saturday morning for no reason whatsoever.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 12:17 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 12:18 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 12:16 PM (2Ojst)
Yeah, if God mean "kill" he certainly didn't follow his own rules very well in the Old testament.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 24, 2015 12:18 PM (t06LC)
"The King shall have the right to High Justice"
Look it up.
Posted by: S. Flook at September 24, 2015 12:18 PM (dOD0J)
In short without a german priest wanting to get laid or an English king who really liked to bang, we're left in some quasi medieval shithole.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 24, 2015 12:16 PM (t06LC)
The Renaissance was very protestant.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 24, 2015 12:19 PM (493sH)
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell and a pocket full of Silver Dimes at September 24, 2015 12:19 PM (dOD0J)
The most interesting part of his speech.
Posted by: Who Knows at September 24, 2015 12:19 PM (W+Itt)
Posted by: kraken at September 24, 2015 12:19 PM (sdxPm)
Posted by: Grump
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On those occasions when I have visited a family mausoleum, I have been struck by a sense of 'presence', which I do not feel when visiting a cemetery.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 24, 2015 12:19 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 24, 2015 12:20 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 24, 2015 12:16 PM (t06LC)
--
God works in mysterioys ways.
Posted by: @votermom at September 24, 2015 12:20 PM (cbfNE)
Spock had some issues ... just sayin'
Posted by: Adriane the Parenting Critic ... at September 24, 2015 12:21 PM (qOsoH)
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 24, 2015 12:16 PM (t06LC)
Some of us still are.
Posted by: Residents of Detroit at September 24, 2015 12:21 PM (2Ojst)
The foreign head of a tax exempt organization as no business lecturing Americans about how to treat the poor.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 24, 2015 12:21 PM (BvMja)
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 24, 2015 12:22 PM (XiVKO)
Posted by: donna at September 24, 2015 12:22 PM (hUdMz)
It'd be a shame to waste 200 lbs of fertilizer grade B.S., I think.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 24, 2015 12:22 PM (7x4lH)
Just went to a ceremony for a centenarian aunt who was cremated but buried next to her parents and one sibling all of whom had been buried conventionally! It seems more common then one might think!
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 24, 2015 12:22 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 24, 2015 12:23 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: donna at September 24, 2015 12:22 PM (hUdMz)
My hope was all the lefty talk was a rope a dope and then he'd blast Barry and rest of the infanticide crowd, but that hope faded quickly
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 24, 2015 12:24 PM (493sH)
Posted by: donna at September 24, 2015 12:22 PM (hUdMz)
With this Pope it would have been more likely he would have excommunicated all those members of congress who didn't believe in global warming, open borders, and capitalism.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 24, 2015 12:24 PM (t06LC)
His next invention will not involve any elements of time-keeping. As he told Wilmore, he's looking into building a 'side hoverboard' - that is, unlike the current models which move from back to front, Ahmed is interested in creating one that is able to move from side to side. He might not have too much trouble - Ahmed told Wilmore that building the clock that got him arrested was 'really simple' because he's already 'built more stuff that's very complicated.'
I call my invention a 'stick.'
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 24, 2015 12:24 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 12:25 PM (FsuaD)
For those interested. An article saying that there is a coming labor shortage world wide and that skilled labor may become a hottest commodity out there. Oh and that due to a greying of the world, there is going to be a good slump in the economy that will make the Great Depression look like a minor hiccup. Mainly due to not enough labor paying for the social nets. So as more of the boomers hit they either will get zilch or get just a 1/16 teaspoon of the cherry filing to have.
Give it a read and have fun trying to stop that demographics bomb.
Posted by: Charles at September 24, 2015 12:25 PM (2bSS4)
Sadly you're right...
Posted by: donna at September 24, 2015 12:25 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 24, 2015 12:26 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Grump
That little ol' pecan grove where you and Clara used to picnic?
Posted by: Just Some Guy at September 24, 2015 12:26 PM (vgIRn)
Let me know when he invents a cup. I'm thirsty.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 24, 2015 12:26 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Pope John Francis Murphy at September 24, 2015 12:26 PM (Dwehj)
That was a trick question, right??"***
Of course not. Perhaps you could explain why so many Christians are also anti death penalty based upon the Ten Commandments. Or is their interpretation wrong and yours is correct?
And if so, how does that make belief in Christianity any less morally relativistic based upon personal judgment than any other worldview? (Which was my point)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 24, 2015 12:26 PM (Wckf4)
I call my invention a 'stick.'
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 24, 2015 12:24 PM (fWAjv)
He's made something more complicated than a bunch of parts and wires? What a genius
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 24, 2015 12:26 PM (493sH)
*gives stink-eye to Nancy Pelosi*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 12:26 PM (FsuaD)
A little? She makes the Terminator look like Nathan Lane in the Birdcage.
Posted by: Idiocracy was a documentary at September 24, 2015 12:27 PM (FdTDf)
I like to look at the bright side - hell wd be interesting. Seriously, wouldnt you love to kick Hitler in the balls?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 24, 2015 12:27 PM (iQIUe)
I would guess you meant communism.
Posted by: typo? at September 24, 2015 12:27 PM (I0sxh)
OK, that's funny. That's like "inventing" a bicycle that can turn instead of just going forward, right?
Exit question: Is it made out of a Persian rug?
Posted by: Yellowstone Caldera at September 24, 2015 12:27 PM (NOIQH)
Sigh.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 12:25 PM (FsuaD)
I assume he means Joseph, Mary and Jesus. I've heard that trope before, and it's just as retarded coming from him as the first time I've heard it. They had a home. They traveled from it to Bethlehem for the census, and the inn was fully booked. They weren't homeless.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 12:28 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 24, 2015 12:28 PM (XiVKO)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 12:28 PM (FsuaD)
Look it up.
Posted by: S. Flook at September 24, 2015 12:18 PM (dOD0J) "***
And yet a rather large number of believers are also anti-death penalty based upon the Ten Commandments.
You shouldn't have to look that up.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 24, 2015 12:29 PM (Wckf4)
Posted by: Barack Almighty at September 24, 2015 12:29 PM (3U4+k)
Posted by: Pope John Francis Murphy at September 24, 2015 12:29 PM (Dwehj)
I always wanted to have a family crypt with the stone shelves and
ossuary where they eventually sweep everyone's bones together to make
room for the next body. Something about 'resting with your fathers'. If I
can't have that, I am indifferent as long I end up back in Texas.
Posted by: Grump
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On those occasions when I have visited a family mausoleum, I have
been struck by a sense of 'presence', which I do not feel when visiting a
cemetery.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 24, 2015 12:19 PM (9mTYi)
I have visited a friend's hometown cemetary in south LA. No in-ground graves because of the water table so near the Mississippi. Many family mausoleums with names engraved and plaques added over the decades as additional family members were interred inside. Some were well maintained and in good order, others were crumbling away to dust as no one was left to care for the masonry. There was definitely a "presence" on the grounds.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 12:30 PM (JO9+V)
I assume he means Joseph, Mary and Jesus. I've
heard that trope before, and it's just as retarded coming from him as
the first time I've heard it. They had a home. They traveled from it
to Bethlehem for the census, and the inn was fully booked. They weren't
homeless.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 12:28 PM (2Ojst)
Pope must have missed the part about the census. I mean...seriously?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 12:30 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: reality at September 24, 2015 12:30 PM (I0sxh)
Posted by: Pope John Francis Murphy at September 24, 2015 12:30 PM (Dwehj)
Stand sideways, genius. Ooh! Another invention!
Posted by: t-bird at September 24, 2015 12:30 PM (3U4+k)
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at September 24, 2015 10:30 AM (7RXcs)
Just got here and clearly waaay behind. But, anyone else read that as, "it's always BREAKFAST right before the teally bad shit starts"?
Posted by: tbodie at September 24, 2015 12:31 PM (MZVOx)
Posted by: Pope John Francis Murphy at September 24, 2015 12:30 PM (Dwehj)
Peter would have whipped Paul's ass.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 12:31 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 12:28 PM (2Ojst)
Yeah, they had to leave their home because of a bureaucratic decree from a rapacious government demanding registration for tax purposes!
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 24, 2015 12:31 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 24, 2015 12:31 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 24, 2015 12:32 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 12:32 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Chupacabras
_______
Back when my boys were in junior high and high school, they would mow the lawn at the church and do half-hearted maintenance in the garden next to Parish Hall. The priest told me that he would be grateful if the boys managed to spray/spill/slosh around sufficient amounts of 2,4-D to kill the gingko tree.
Posted by: Furious George at September 24, 2015 12:32 PM (UlJ3l)
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 24, 2015 12:31 PM (ftVQq)
See, that's a much better and far more accurate interpretation.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 12:32 PM (2Ojst)
When Ahmed Edison goes to Mecca he's going to invent a bloodthirsty religion that slaughters everything in sight
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 24, 2015 12:32 PM (493sH)
I knew exactly what song that Hendrix link would bring up. I own it, of course.
Even so, I clicked it gladly... and loved it.
That man surely could play.
Posted by: RobM1981 at September 24, 2015 12:33 PM (zurJC)
No bigger fan of Big Government than this Pope. A better dressed and older Cartman.
Posted by: not a catholic at September 24, 2015 12:33 PM (I0sxh)
he told Wilmore, he's looking into building a 'side hoverboard' - that
is, unlike the current models which move from back to front, Ahmed is
interested in creating one that is able to move from side to side.
Uh, why not just rotate the hoverboard 90 degrees?
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 12:33 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: not a catholic at September 24, 2015 12:33 PM (I0sxh)
I don't think he's asked Mr. Garrison to suck his balls, though.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 12:34 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Yellowstone Caldera at September 24, 2015 12:34 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 24, 2015 12:34 PM (XiVKO)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 12:34 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: @votermom at September 24, 2015 12:34 PM (cbfNE)
You want presence, visit the tomb of Saint Francis at Assisi!
Sadly this pope is no Saint Francis!
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 24, 2015 12:34 PM (ftVQq)
'I don't know.'
He invented a tangle of wires! GENIUS!!
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 24, 2015 12:34 PM (fWAjv)
Do you know what the word "interpretation" means? I didn't make any interpretation of anything. I relayed a FACT to you. It is the Torah that gave us the Ten Commandments and in that same Torah there are laws which carry the death penalty. There is no "interpretation" in this.
And if so, how does that make belief in Christianity any less morally relativistic based upon personal judgment than any other worldview? (Which was my point)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 24, 2015 12:26 PM (Wckf4)
I can't answer for Christians. I'm a Jew. And the morals that come from the Torah are not realtive because they carry the authority of G-d. That's the whole point. You can disagree or have another worldview but that doesn't change any truth of the universe. Might my belief in Judaism be untrue? Sure. But if it is true (which I tend to believe) then your or my or anyone's "worldview" doesn't matter.
Look, if you want to think that there is nothing but the physical, finite universe, then that's just dandy. But then you cannot hold any sort of morality (that isn't totally made up and silly) and you can't claim that there is any meaning to anything. In the finite, limited universe, youa nd I and everyone and every thing are nothing but clumps of particles that have no reason to exist and no reason to do anything. And none of it matters because the whole universe eventually dies of heat death and every structure that existed ceases to. In the end, there is nothing - true nothing - and there is no meaning in nothing.
So, you can feel free to do anything that makes you happy because none of it matters. That is what the finite universe logically leads to. There is no escape from that simple cold fact, meaningless as it is ... because in that finite universe everything is meaningless. Just particles bouncing around.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 24, 2015 12:35 PM (zc3Db)
"
The Reason?
Because early sjw types corrupted "Thou shall do no murder" into "thou shall not kill"
Murdering and killing are two vastly different acts.
If King David had had just chopped off Adonija's head off for no reason that would be murder. If he had chopped off Adonija's head for unlawfull and against God's will for usurping the Throne, that would be an act of exercising High Justice.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell and a pocket full of Silver Dimes at September 24, 2015 12:35 PM (dOD0J)
relativist.
It's impossible to be a "moral relativist." The whole concept is a contradiction.
In point of fact, any deeply held 'morality' by an atheist
must necessarily and ultimately spring from their own judgement, no
matter how many external influences there might be.
The
same is true for theists. One possible god tells you not to be a dick,
another tells you to blow up a bus full of children. How do you decide
which god to believe in? If you're willing to trust your own judgment
it's a no-brainer. If you're not then allahu akbar.
Posted by: schizoid at September 24, 2015 12:35 PM (inJa1)
heard that trope before, and it's just as retarded coming from him as
the first time I've heard it. They had a home. They traveled from it
to Bethlehem for the census, and the inn was fully booked. They weren't
homeless.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 12:28 PM (2Ojst)
I believe he's referring to the Holy Family going to Egypt to escape Herod's mania.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 24, 2015 12:35 PM (OpK2H)
Posted by: conspiracy at September 24, 2015 12:36 PM (I0sxh)
Next he's going to invent things that allow people to travel from one floor to another using their feet. He calls it - stairs!
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 24, 2015 12:36 PM (493sH)
NGU, like your phrase "bunch of gutless lunatics" as a handy description for the Congress.
Glad the pope's mumbling seems to be muddling the whole thing.
If a pope speaks to Congress, I want to hear just a few things. Mostly, praise for the role of the US in the modern world, doing more to protect the truly vulnerable, help the truly needy, stop evil, and promote the ultimate human right - freedom - than all other nations (and churches) combined.
Actually, that would be enough. You are now dismissed.
If, as a "moral leader", a pope wanted to comment on, say, obvious pressing priority moral issues - like abortion, slavery, persecution of Christians, imprisonment/impoverishment of people by dictatorships like N. Korea, Venezuela, and Cuba - knock yourself out.
Taking arrogant and illiterate swipes at the rule of law in the country that made that vital concept a global norma does not fit on my list. For that and all the other crap - especially unscientific pagan climate hucksterism - he can STFU.
So - what did he say? (lol)
Posted by: rhomboid at September 24, 2015 12:36 PM (QDnY+)
Even so, I clicked it gladly... and loved it.
That man surely could play.
Fun fact: The lyrics as most people know them now are actually in reverse order. Hendrix rearranged them to how we know them now--to such great effect that even Dylan admitted it was better and plays it that way when he includes it in a performance.
Also, it's great for flushing out those SOBs who stuck you with a crappy humanoid shell.
You'll have to take my word for that last.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 24, 2015 12:36 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 12:36 PM (2x3L+)
????
Since when is his desk famous?
What things has Ahmed built?
This reads like fiction.
Posted by: Yellowstone Caldera at September 24, 2015 12:36 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: @votermom at September 24, 2015 12:36 PM (cbfNE)
Can you imagine how much toilet paper 17 wives must go through?
Posted by: Garrett at September 24, 2015 12:37 PM (MRjwY)
Ex communication is not a rite of ceremony. It happens automatically if
you commit certain sins. For example, having an abortion causes
automatic excommunication
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 12:34 PM (2x3L+)
What if you're an enthusiastic supporter of abortion, and allowing babies who survive it, to die?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 12:37 PM (FsuaD)
*gives stink-eye to Nancy Pelosi*
"
Technically she is automatically excommunicated but it's up to her to self enforce so...
Of course by continuing to receive communion in her state she's drinking damnation upon herself, so there's that.
Posted by: Lauren at September 24, 2015 12:37 PM (/lvv6)
Stand sideways, genius. Ooh! Another invention!
Posted by: t-bird at September 24, 2015 12:30 PM (3U4+k)
ROFLMAO!
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 24, 2015 12:37 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 24, 2015 12:35 PM (OpK2H)
Willing to bet Joseph worked as a carpenter while in Egypt and didn't ask to be on the dole!
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 24, 2015 12:38 PM (ftVQq)
Enlightenment, no Enlightenment, no republic or US. Its hard to remember
how truly novel the Glorious Revolution was at the time.
***
Christianity obviously gave Europe an advantage over most of the rest of world...compare the difference in enormous growth in Germany for example between 400 AD and 1000 AD and contrast that with say Iran.
But it was specifically protestant Christianity and its related culture that made Europeans the dominant force in the world.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 24, 2015 12:38 PM (X7E8f)
You mean when they fled an infanticidal regime? Then eventually went home when the coast was clear?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 24, 2015 12:39 PM (9krrF)
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So, are they saying that, if they were living now, abortion might have at least crossed their minds?
Posted by: Chillin the most at September 24, 2015 12:39 PM (BI43k)
Posted by: @votermom at September 24, 2015 12:36 PM (cbfNE)
Has he gotten around to inventing the wheel yet?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 24, 2015 12:39 PM (493sH)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 12:39 PM (2x3L+)
He and Obama have so much in common. Both have been told how Special they are their whole lives.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 12:39 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 24, 2015 12:35 PM (OpK2H)
Ah so? When you think about it, Herod was Peter Singer with troops.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 12:40 PM (2Ojst)
Islam is a socio-political structure built on 100% compliance using made up dogma as a club. Debate will not be tolerated. They will kill you.
What's not to like?
Posted by: The Left at September 24, 2015 12:40 PM (7rAXc)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 24, 2015 12:40 PM (9mTYi)
I know this will come as a shock, but similar things are happening to Jackson Pollock's stuff, because he knew exactly jack and squat about materials. They're falling apart like a 1980s high school spirit poster in some guy's garage.
Which might be a good thing.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at September 24, 2015 12:40 PM (vgIRn)
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at September 24, 2015 12:40 PM (dQJCS)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 24, 2015 12:39 PM (9krrF)
Didn't realize before that Herod is the patron saint of Planned Parenthood!
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 24, 2015 12:41 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 12:41 PM (JO9+V)
Thought Robert Spencer had done research to determine whether or not a Mohammed actually existed.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 12:42 PM (NOIQH)
I think they were there for a few years. Technically they couldn't go home. But eventually they did.
I think the Pope's point is a silly one, but the pedantic in me has to agree with the basic fact.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 24, 2015 12:42 PM (OpK2H)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 12:42 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 12:39 PM (FsuaD)
Ahmed - 2036. I'm special
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 24, 2015 12:42 PM (493sH)
Posted by: stink eye at September 24, 2015 12:42 PM (I0sxh)
Posted by: L, Elle
_________
Doesn't that kick in after Advent?
Posted by: Furious George at September 24, 2015 12:42 PM (UlJ3l)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 24, 2015 12:42 PM (FsuaD)
***
IIRC recent carbon dating indicates that the first Koran might pre-date Muhammed which would be...interesting.
Considering the war between Mecca and Medina that Muhammed led, it is possible that the people he massacred in Mecca were actually the first people following the Koran...
Speaking of which, is it common knowledge that Islam recognizes that Muhammed committed genocide?
Posted by: 18-1 at September 24, 2015 12:42 PM (X7E8f)
"
Nah a fork spoon combo. He shall call it the foon.
Posted by: Lauren at September 24, 2015 12:43 PM (/lvv6)
So, are they saying that, if they were living now, abortion might have at least crossed their minds?
Posted by: Chillin the most at September 24, 2015 12:39 PM (BI43k)
I can only imagine the "counseling" Mary would get. "Honey, you're only fourteen! You're just not ready for a baby! Come on, I'll take you down to the clinic in the morning, and Joseph won't ever have to know! And don't worry, we won't tell CPS about the, um, age difference between you two."
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 12:43 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 24, 2015 12:43 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: stink eye at September 24, 2015 12:42 PM (I0sxh)
She got her circumcision reversed?
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 12:43 PM (2Ojst)
What if you're an enthusiastic supporter of abortion, and allowing babies who survive it, to die?
----
Yup, anyone who directly help pay for it, who participated in the procedure, encouraged it ---- all excommunicated.
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 12:44 PM (2x3L+)
------------------
They edited out the good stuff from earlier like books.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 24, 2015 12:44 PM (9mTYi)
If I can't have that, I am indifferent as long I end up back in Texas.
Posted by: Grump
Didn't Davy Crockett say Gentlemen, you may go to hell, and I will go to Texas (or something like that) ?
As for me, cremation, ashes dumped in the Blanco River just east of San Marcos. There's a spot where it runs crystal clear (actually looks blue) where it runs over a limestone bed. Prettiest place I've ever seen.
#544 we buried my aunt's ashes at the double tombstone she bought when her husband died. She donated herself to medical science and rather unexpectedly they returned her in a plastic (supposed to be biodegradable though) bag a year later. It's a small town cemetery so we didn't ask for permission, just dug a hole and put the bag in.
The cemetery in Minnesota where we buried my father in law was a little better organized and required us to buy a vault for the handsome wooden box his ashes were in. We also had to use them to dig up the plot and place the vault and cover it back up. Even in death, someone will have their hand out.
Posted by: the other coyote at September 24, 2015 12:44 PM (yK44T)
Posted by: Yellowstone Caldera at September 24, 2015 12:36 PM (NOIQH)
A DailyBeast tongue bath.
After the taping is finished Ahmed tours the studio: He hits a couple of billiard shots at the pool table, pushes buttons in the in-house theater, and sits in the mock ticket booth out front, signing tickets.
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'Dude, I'm still trending.'
http://tinyurl.com/os8qn8k
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 24, 2015 12:45 PM (fWAjv)
Other than the fact that they were legitimate refugees and not economic migrants or colonists, yes.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 24, 2015 12:45 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: Lauren at September 24, 2015 12:43 PM (/lvv6)
I'm running out of keyboards and monitors!
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 24, 2015 12:45 PM (ftVQq)
Very true. Without Protestantism I don't think you get the
Enlightenment, no Enlightenment, no republic or US. Its hard to remember
how truly novel the Glorious Revolution was at the time.
In short without a german priest wanting to get laid or an English
king who really liked to bang, we're left in some quasi medieval
shithole.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 24, 2015 12:16 PM (t06LC)
And in my son's Lutheran confirmation class last Sunday, they learned that Gutenberg's invention of movable type was one of the key factors of the Reformation, because without it, instead of a Bible translated into German (by Luther, of course) that people can read for themselves, you have a few handwritten Bibles in Latin that only the Church can read to you. (For the Horde - no jello molds afterwards, and they haven't got to the terrorism part of the lesson plan yet.)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 24, 2015 12:45 PM (5f5bM)
Did the Peronista *really* mess up the story of Jesus' birth (homeless) to score some typically empty "moral" points?
Wow. So it's not just the US degrading itself and becoming a contemptible shadow of its former self. The Vatican has decided to follow us down the slope to farcical status.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 24, 2015 12:45 PM (QDnY+)
Stink eye
Pelosi is a lapsed Catholic. And when I use the word Catholic it is not a slur.
Stop using the word Jew as though it is a slur
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 12:46 PM (zOTsN)
up dogma as a club. Debate will not be tolerated. They will kill you.
***
It is impressive how Islam took a scattered group of independent tribes that spent their time killing each other and instead united them to loot, rape, and pillage the people outside of their tribes.
Presuming the Koran does come from Muhammed, I think it is fair to call him the greatest warlord of all time. Genghis killed more of course, but when his line petered out that was it. Islam has been going for almost 1400 years now...
Posted by: 18-1 at September 24, 2015 12:46 PM (X7E8f)
Your condescending, paternalistic nonsense is getting tedious. You opened with it and you're continuing with it. If you think you're talking to an idiot who will shrink away from your combative nonsense, you should probably start thinking.
Now, to address your comment. I'm simply relaying a fact to you. It is a FACT that many Christians interpret Thou Shalt Not Kill differently. You think *I'm* making this up?
The point - which you seem to be missing - is the fact that these different 'takes', 'interpretations', or whatever word gives you comfort, exist as evidence that yes, even well-established religious dogma is subject to individual judgment.
The rest of your comment alternates between strawmen, irrelevance, and more condescendion.
Now, I'm more than willing to continue without such nonsense, but if you want to keep up with that, I'll respectfully bow out.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 24, 2015 12:47 PM (Wckf4)
Especially in death. I have a horrible story about my mom being an absolute monster to my poor grandfather when my grandmother died, but I shall refrain because it will just get me angry. Suffice it to say she greatly added to his pain to pocket some money for herself.
Posted by: Lauren at September 24, 2015 12:47 PM (/lvv6)
Posted by: conspiracy at September 24, 2015 12:47 PM (Bbcs8)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 12:48 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 24, 2015 12:48 PM (ucDmr)
interested in creating one that
moves front to back.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 24, 2015 12:48 PM (+Q7pl)
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Tell me about it.
Posted by: 'Falling Water' house by Frank Lloyd Wright, falling down at September 24, 2015 12:48 PM (9mTYi)
You're all just trying to get my day off to a nice start aren't you?
Until I realize we're kind of losing a war to people that haven't mastered safely moving around in large groups.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 24, 2015 12:49 PM (AC0lD)
I'm sick of his shit.
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 12:49 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: notsothoreau at September 24, 2015 12:49 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 24, 2015 12:45 PM (5f5bM)
I hate Medieval jello molds.
Posted by: Indiana Jones at September 24, 2015 12:49 PM (7rAXc)
"The first fake inkblots were crude, constructed at 9 feet in diameter, and fooled no one. But with the invention of the concept of smaller sizes by a Swiss physicist (who discovered that any object of a particular size could be reduced in size simply by 'making it smaller'), the fake inkblot came into its own. Then it left its own and went into someone else's"
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 24, 2015 12:49 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: 18-1 at September 24, 2015 12:42 PM (X7E8f)
Is it common knowledge Mohammed was a pederast? Seriously dude. He had a wife that was 8.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 24, 2015 12:50 PM (t06LC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Crashcup
http://tinyurl.com/opylhuj
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 24, 2015 12:50 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at September 24, 2015 12:50 PM (7rAXc)
***"Do you know what the word "interpretation" means? I didn't make any
interpretation of anything. I relayed a FACT to you. It is the Torah
that gave us the Ten Commandments and in that same Torah there are laws
which carry the death penalty. There is no "interpretation" in this."***
Just to interject, apparently there are two justices who believe the death penalty is unconstitutional, despite the fact that it is in the Constitution twice.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 24, 2015 12:51 PM (5f5bM)
Posted by: 'Falling Water' house by Frank Lloyd Wright, falling down at September 24, 2015 12:48 PM (9mTYi)
Ha! His engineer told him the cantilevers weren't stout enough, and even added some without his knowledge, but it's still not enough.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 24, 2015 12:52 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 24, 2015 12:50 PM (t06LC)
Actually 6.
But Mo was a gentleman. He didn't bang her until 'she hit puberty' at age 9 - probably wearing the word 'Juicy' across the bottom of the bag she was draped in.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 24, 2015 12:52 PM (AC0lD)
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 24, 2015 12:50 PM (t06LC)
But, was it a wife?
Was it?!?!?!
Posted by: Thad from Boystown, Chicago IL at September 24, 2015 12:53 PM (7rAXc)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 24, 2015 12:53 PM (so+oy)
By telling Joseph she risked being repudiated, and possibly stoned to death.
She could have tried to pass the baby off as Joseph's. She could have attempted an abortion (there are ways even back then).
Posted by: @votermom at September 24, 2015 12:53 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 24, 2015 12:51 PM (5f5bM)
The second amendment just called and said, "so? I've got four saying I don't exist but somehow homos marrying is."
He sounded kind of bitter.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 24, 2015 12:53 PM (t06LC)
After attorneys for the family of Ahmed Mohamed said Wednesday that they were considering legal options to retrieve the teen's homemade clock, police in Irving, Texas, responded it was available to be picked up during business hours - and had been since last week.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 24, 2015 12:54 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: 18-1 at September 24, 2015 12:42 PM (X7E8f)
I don't think it's a good idea to get into the body count thing in the whole Islam vs. Judaism/Christianity thing. The Old Testament has a whole lotta killin' either at God's direction or through his direct action, right down to the women and infants.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 12:54 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2015 12:54 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: stink eye at September 24, 2015 12:42 PM (I0sxh)
she is a lapsed Catholic
stop using the word Jew like its a slur
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 12:55 PM (zOTsN)
I don't care if you shrink or not. You asked a question for which you are already wed to an answer. Good for you.
But I, and others, already answered your question as correctly and simply as it could be answered. If you REALLY cared about what you are asking then you know you should be asking those whose ideologies you are describing. .... But you knew that, already ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 24, 2015 12:55 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 12:55 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 24, 2015 12:55 PM (ftVQq)
How do people who havent even been official combatants in this war until this month hold everyone else to any kind of agreement?
Reading between the lines, Barack has the U.S. bending over for Russia. The significance of our retreat in the area cannot be exaggerated.
Weasel Zippers
In retreat all over the World and also the laughing stock of Moscow and Peking and Tehran
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2015 12:56 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 24, 2015 12:56 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Carol (but not our Carol) at September 24, 2015 12:56 PM (9mTYi)
#677 Lauren
Oh, honey, I will see you a mother and raise you a sister.I never thought I would hear myself paraphrase a Monty Python movie while referring to my father ... "But he's not dead yet!"
My father was an asshole, but he was my asshole.
Posted by: the other coyote at September 24, 2015 12:57 PM (yK44T)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 12:55 PM (0O7c5)
Snitches. I hate snitches.
Posted by: Herod at September 24, 2015 12:57 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 24, 2015 12:57 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2015 12:57 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: Count
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Just look at the pretty picture, Count.
Posted by: Carol (but not our Carol) at September 24, 2015 12:56 PM (9mTYi)
One! One picture, ah ha ha
*BLAM*
*thud*
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 12:57 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 24, 2015 12:52 PM (rwI+c)
I told Van Dame the same thing so, they added those triangle support thingies.
Posted by: Roger O. Thornhill at September 24, 2015 12:57 PM (7rAXc)
He sounded kind of bitter.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 24, 2015 12:53 PM (t06LC)
Not just homos. I fully expect that a Muslim man who has married multiple women legally overseas will petition in court, probably in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, to have the second and subsequent marriages recognized, and he and his wives will win their case based on the same principle as Obergefell.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 24, 2015 12:57 PM (5f5bM)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 24, 2015 12:58 PM (2x3L+)
He sounded kind of bitter.
You know what, don't even talk to me.
Posted by: Tenth Amendment at September 24, 2015 12:58 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at September 24, 2015 12:59 PM (ucB75)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 24, 2015 12:35 PM (OpK2H)
___________________
They were not homeless in Egypt either. They had a large group of supporters who provided for them. If I temporarily leave my home in AZ and go and live in another state with some relatives who have a home there, does that make me "homeless"? Of course not.
The pope is taking liberties with the facts. That's what leftists do. They can't support their positions with facts, so they just make shit up.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 24, 2015 12:59 PM (a31sM)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at September 24, 2015 12:59 PM (1ijHg)
Speaking of which, is it common knowledge that Islam recognizes that Muhammed committed genocide?
Posted by: 18-1 at September 24, 2015 12:42 PM (X7E8f)
I don't think it's a good idea to get into the body count thing in
the whole Islam vs. Judaism/Christianity thing. The Old Testament has a
whole lotta killin' either at God's direction or through his direct
action, right down to the women and infants.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 12:54 PM (2Ojst)
Hey, wait a minute!
Posted by: Chairman Mao at September 24, 2015 12:59 PM (5f5bM)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 01:00 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Lauren at September 24, 2015 01:00 PM (/lvv6)
Posted by: Herod
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Yes. They were warned to avoid you on the way back home.
Posted by: Carol (but not our Carol) at September 24, 2015 01:00 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at September 24, 2015 01:00 PM (1ijHg)
Posted by: Tenth Amendment at September 24, 2015 12:58 PM
We should start a club or something...
Posted by: Seventeenth Amendment at September 24, 2015 01:00 PM (ZQfW9)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 24, 2015 12:57 PM (E5UB0)
Bets on he shows up with pieces of one in a bag and they fall all over themselves at his genius? Speaking of that has Google hired him yet to invent the search engine?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 24, 2015 01:01 PM (493sH)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 01:02 PM (LUgeY)
Caesar, we've had this discussion before, but we are long past the point where the courts have usurped a legislative role, and furthermore proven that they must have their authority reduced due to their capricious and unconstitutional behavior (really a collapse of judicial ethics). Congress can do this.
Of course the chance of national "leadership" even considering this obviously needed step is nil.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 24, 2015 01:02 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Tenth Amendment at September 24, 2015 12:58 PM
We should start a club or something...
Posted by: Seventeenth Amendment at September 24, 2015 01:00 PM (ZQfW9)
I'm sorry. Really, I am.
Posted by: Nineteenth Amendment at September 24, 2015 01:02 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Tenth Amendment
Oh? Like Bork called you a meaningless ink blot.
Posted by: Ninth Amendment at September 24, 2015 01:03 PM (JtwS4)
My father was an asshole, but he was my asshole."
Sorry your sister was so awful. Some people really become the worst around death.
Posted by: Lauren at September 24, 2015 01:03 PM (/lvv6)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 24, 2015 01:03 PM (kfcYC)
Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at September 24, 2015 12:59 PM (ucB75)
They don't even do the flappy thing with the prostitute cards like the guys in Vegas?
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at September 24, 2015 01:03 PM (vgIRn)
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 24, 2015 01:03 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 01:03 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: the other coyote at September 24, 2015 01:04 PM (yK44T)
Posted by: Commerce Clause at September 24, 2015 01:05 PM (KCQo0)
http://tinyurl.com/q4x39n8
Israel and Russia to coordinate on Syria.
This is WAAAAY not a minor thing.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at September 24, 2015 01:05 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Garrett at September 24, 2015 01:05 PM (MRjwY)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 24, 2015 01:05 PM (JtwS4)
and will claim the police altered it some how to ruin his beautiful creation
framed, set up, bamboozled
see it was this awesome clock until the police wrecked it
cause
islamaphobia
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 01:07 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 24, 2015 01:07 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 24, 2015 01:09 PM (2cS/G)
If by "wed to an answer" you men, aware of the factual basis for it, then you're correct. Unless of course you'd like to make an argument that there aren't large cohorts of Christians who interpret that commandment (with respect to the death penalty, or hell, even war) differently. I'm not disputing the fact that you laid out there, I'm simply telling you that there are many that do. They're making a relativistic choice. Which was the point.
Put another way, you're a religious Jew. Do you think Christians are wrong? Do you think Muslims are wrong? If so, you're making an individual choice between competing moral systems. Which, again, was the original point.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 24, 2015 01:09 PM (Wckf4)
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Laterally, as the courts begin to rule by fiat, their authority becomes less meaningful. We reach a point where their authority no longer lies in the law, but in their ruling. That authority will increasingly rely upon enforcement, and less upon compliance.
Witness the florist, the pizza shop, ghey marriage licenses, etc.
Something, something, totalitarian.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 24, 2015 01:09 PM (9mTYi)
The pope is taking liberties with the facts. That's what leftists do. They can't support their positions with facts, so they just make shit up.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 24, 2015 12:59 PM (a31sM)
They did not need 'provided for'. The Magi ensured they had ample gold and valuables to live on for years to come.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at September 24, 2015 01:09 PM (Q7RIU)
__________________
BTW, pope, it's tens of millions (and counting) who've come here illegally, not "thousands." We get "thousands" of illegal aliens crossing our borders every damn day. And this can't continue. And you want to know why? Because we DO want our children to have a better life. And they won't be able to have a better life (or even as good a life) if we continue to allow our nation's borders to be overrun and our nations laws to be ignored.
Why does this pope care more about people south of America's border than he cares about Americans?
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 24, 2015 01:09 PM (a31sM)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 24, 2015 01:09 PM (oVJmc)
Huh? Both the Tony Hawk hoverboard with the giant power cable trailing it and the Lexus one can move 360 degrees.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 24, 2015 01:10 PM (S+N7W)
Now it's a pretty little park that overlooks the bay but the berms that where built by the original American patriots are still there. Pretty cool spot with a whole lot of history.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2015 01:10 PM (OGm46)
Posted by: Lauren
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Families sometimes torn apart by estate division.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 24, 2015 01:11 PM (9mTYi)
I knew exactly what song that Hendrix link would bring up. I own it, of course.
Even so, I clicked it gladly... and loved it.
That man surely could play.
Posted by: RobM1981 at September 24, 2015 12:33 PM (zurJC)
I asked last night, how is that a "forgotten 60's mystery click"? It's one of the most famous recordings of the entire decade. Who forgot it, exactly?
Posted by: rickl at September 24, 2015 01:11 PM (zoehZ)
This is WAAAAY not a minor thing.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at September 24, 2015 01:05 PM (BZAd3)
As long as they don't mess up any of Prezzy's red lines things will be okay
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 24, 2015 01:12 PM (493sH)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 24, 2015 01:12 PM (Wckf4)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at September 24, 2015 01:12 PM (Q7RIU)
Shhhhhh! This is the kid who just claimed he invented a clock from the 1980's.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 01:12 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Ian S.
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We're going to want a look at their software.
Posted by: EPA at September 24, 2015 01:13 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 24, 2015 01:13 PM (AC0lD)
Same here. When I saw "Bob Dylan," I knew I didn't need to click it, 'cause I already knew which song it was.
I can name that song in zero notes.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 01:13 PM (LUgeY)
Shhhhhh! This is the kid who just claimed he invented a clock from the 1980's.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 24, 2015 01:12 PM (NOIQH)
SILENCE!!!! I KEEL YOU!!!!
Posted by: Achmed the "inventor" at September 24, 2015 01:13 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Ian S.
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You're going to have to install airbags.
Posted by: DoT at September 24, 2015 01:14 PM (9mTYi)
But I don't think this earthly existence is entirely meaningless. I think we're supposed to learn something from it.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 24, 2015 11:46 AM (a31sM)
God is also Holy. And Just. And no part of his character can be sacrificed to appease any other part. So his love is meted out in that he sent his Son to bear sin's penalty of death, so that for those who believe they might spend eternity with Him, because he desires that none should perish. His justice is meted out in that the penalty for sin (Death) was accomplished by the only one who could bear the sin of the world on his shoulders (God in the flesh, Jesus). His holiness is meted out in that no sin shall enter his presence in Heaven.
So you cannot with consistency dismiss the idea that God has a standard and accept the idea that he loves everyone. He does love everyone, He also has a standard, and he has made a way for all to come to him.
Posted by: Sambo at September 24, 2015 01:14 PM (9UV3C)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy
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You're taking a cheap shot at me again, aren't you?
Posted by: John Cage at September 24, 2015 01:15 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Ian S.
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You're going to have to install airbags.
and seat belts with should restraints for the hoverboard
Posted by: ThunderB at September 24, 2015 01:15 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 01:15 PM (1+XCd)
Posted by: Kate Upton at September 24, 2015 01:15 PM (PEFlK)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 24, 2015 01:16 PM (0O7c5)
He has misled them with the notion that they can create providence, rather than God. Who needs God when you have government?
Most of all, he has replaced spiritual richness with material richness. Inspiration comes from riding in Fiats and lunches at Burger King -- not the word of God.
I really like this guy.
Posted by: The Devil at September 24, 2015 01:17 PM (KCQo0)
Posted by: DoT
Amateur.
Posted by: Kate Upton at September 24, 2015 01:15 PM (PEFlK)
Funbags will be difficult to install on a hoverboard.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 24, 2015 01:17 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Sambo at September 24, 2015 01:17 PM (9UV3C)
Come for the art, stay for the Frankincense.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 24, 2015 01:18 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 24, 2015 12:57 PM (5f5bM)
A man in Utah has already tried to get a marriage license to legally marry his second wife, to whom he is already "spiritually" married, because CULTURAL. It's all coming:
* Polygamy
* Blended polygamy, 2 men married to each other and 3 women married to the 2 men and each other
* Marriage between very close relatives
* Marriage to minor children, including consummation of the marriage. In the Middle Ages, the marriage of children for political and inheritance purposes was done, but, the marriages were not consummated until both parties were at least 13.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at September 24, 2015 01:18 PM (kXoT0)
Excellent and appreciated, Sambo.
Posted by: LadyS at September 24, 2015 01:18 PM (xYNhJ)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 24, 2015 01:18 PM (LUgeY)
and will claim the police altered it some how to ruin his beautiful creation
THE CLOCK WAS DOCTORED?
Posted by: Al Sharpton at September 24, 2015 01:19 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 24, 2015 01:19 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Kate
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Ironically, I actually am. Even the government has so stated. It's OFFICIAL
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 24, 2015 01:19 PM (9mTYi)
'I don't know.'
He invented a tangle of wires! GENIUS!!
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 24, 2015 12:34 PM (fWAjv)
Did he invent the Koran too?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 24, 2015 01:19 PM (493sH)
742 The Pope sounds like Jose Jimenez.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 24, 2015 01:09 PM (oVJmc)
Popo Gigio here. "Jesus... kiss me goodnight."
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 24, 2015 01:20 PM (RO8oH)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2015 01:20 PM (1+XCd)
Posted by: Semper In Stercus
I would have assumed they would have cooperated, quietly. That they are talking about it means the Alawite/Druze/Maronites are sundered from the Muslims; even their erstwhile allies in the Shia/Hezbo world and the 'moderate' Sunni Turks. If the Hezbo and the Maronites are on the outs, then it bodes poorly for Lebanon.
Posted by: Jean at September 24, 2015 01:21 PM (ztOda)
Stampede total up to at least 717 dead.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 24, 2015 12:08 PM (fWAjv)
______________________
Sounds like a Who concert I went to...
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 24, 2015 01:22 PM (HSmrB)
I like this Pope. He is convincing the people that they, and not God,
can determine the future of the earth. Climate change? Brilliant!
He has misled them with the notion that they can create providence, rather than God. Who needs God when you have government?
Most of all, he has replaced spiritual richness with material
richness. Inspiration comes from riding in Fiats and lunches at Burger
King -- not the word of God.
I really like this guy.
Posted by: The Devil at September 24, 2015 01:17 PM (KCQo0)
Of course you like this guy. You're an establishment tool.
Posted by: The guy who broke into Eden and partook of all of the fruits at September 24, 2015 01:23 PM (inJa1)
And I just think it best if I remain dormant.
Posted by: Commerce Clause at September 24, 2015 01:05 PM (KCQo0)
And then there are the DCC's dead-letter cousins, the Privileges and Immunities Clause and the Privileges or Immunities Clause.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 24, 2015 01:25 PM (5f5bM)
Additionally, can those of us longing for some sun, sand, salsa, and a really good taco, go to Mexico and access their "opportunities"? No we cannot. We can't work and we had best be able to support ourselves because there is no public benefit to be had. If you want to take advantage of Mexico's cheap labor and less burdensome regulations and build a factory, then you need an actual Mexican to be the property owner and you can do a 99 year lease.
A One Way Street for immigration for only the Mexican poor to America, yeah, that's like really fair.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at September 24, 2015 01:25 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 24, 2015 01:09 PM (Wckf4)
I'm a Jew. Not so religious ... but respectful. Of course I think that other religions are incorrect (and islam, which is not a religion, is beyond incorrect). That doesn't matter. My belief doesn't change whatever the truth of the universe is and it is my belief that yields me a true morality - not some made up system that carries no meaning and that cannot be logically argued to be anything more than my temporary amusement.
Look, I also believe that there are Laws of Physics in the universe - that we haven't exactly found but that we have very, very good approximations of. That belief (and it is nothing more than my belief) yields very concrete methods for building things and predicting events (if enough of the initial circumstances are known to a good enough degree). Now, you can argue with me that there are people who don't believe in the idea that there are immutable Laws of Physics or who believe in very different Laws of Physics - and either of them might be correct. There is no proof or reason to believe that there are any "Laws of Physics" that can be expressed in mathematics or any other human language. BUT ... these other people's beliefs in alternate laws (or no laws) don't have any effect on whether there actually are laws and whether mine are correct. That is MY BELIEF and it is a belief that is about something larger than the universe, itself, so it is not relativistic (no pun intended) but very absolute. And it is not that I will it into absolute being but whether it is an underlying truth of the universe or not.
For those who seek any truths about the universe, there is a big difference between various theories of it and we all make our individual choices as to which we BELIEVE is the truth. I don't force anyone else to use my accepted Laws of Physics. I don't care if they do or not, but I have faith that my Laws are the correct mathematical approximations (at this stage). Those laws are not open to my interpretation and are not arbitrary made-up rules. They have certain meaning - as they must come from outside of the physical universe they control. To you this looks like physical relativism. To me this looks like truth and that is the only way a real morality can be constructed. The person espousing it must BELIEVE it to be part of a fundamental truth of existence. As to what others believe ... that is their issue.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 24, 2015 01:25 PM (zc3Db)
of the marriage. In the Middle Ages, the marriage of children for
political and inheritance purposes was done, but, the marriages were not
consummated until both parties were at least 13.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at September 24, 2015 01:18 PM (kXoT0)
Sherry, we had a resolution in the county Republican meeting this week to get government completely out of the marriage business, except for enforcement of contract. It would have passed, but for someone pointing out that polygamy would be legal, so it was indefinitely tabled. It didn't occur to me until later that under that resolution a pedo could marry his 8-year old son and consummate the marriage, and the State of Texas would have nothing to say about it.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 24, 2015 01:29 PM (5f5bM)
If this isn't exhibit "A" that all immigration should be stopped. Hell, we probably should revoke permanent resident status and send them home too.
And his dad lives in Texas but runs for President of another country? Talk about divided loyalties.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 24, 2015 01:32 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 24, 2015 01:29 PM (5f5bM)
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They couldn't say anything about the marriage, but statutory rape is still available as well as incest.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 24, 2015 01:34 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: WaldoTJ at September 24, 2015 02:15 PM (M1MpJ)
'Thousands of persons are led to travel north in search of a better life
for themselves and for their loved ones in search of greater
opportunities... Is this not what we want for our own children?"
wait. what? all i need to do to find Happiness is to head for Canada?
Posted by: WaldoTJ at September 24, 2015 02:18 PM (M1MpJ)
They weren't poor.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at September 24, 2015 12:59 PM (1ijHg)
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There's speculation that Joseph wasn't poor either. He was a carpenter, a person with a professional skill that was always in demand. Mary had King David in her heritage and people paid tribute to lineages.
Posted by: Soona at September 24, 2015 03:59 PM (Fmupd)
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