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Jake Brewer, Husband to Mary Katherine Ham, RIP
Very sad news from the weekend: Mary Katherine Ham's husband, and father of her child Georgia and her second child still on the way, died when while riding in a charity event to raise money for cancer victims. Guy Benson has started a GoFundMe account to raise money for Georgia's and the unborn child's college education.
A truly terrible accident. But they are within $30,000 of their Go Fund Me goal, so at least the kids will be taken care of.Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: zombie at September 21, 2015 01:35 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 21, 2015 01:35 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 21, 2015 01:36 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 21, 2015 01:38 PM (WiU5D)
I don't know how she retains any composure at all, this is just horrific.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 21, 2015 01:39 PM (JtwS4)
That being said... maybe not the wisest thread to post, though, ace, after last nights ONT. And I think you'll see why shortly.
::backs slowly out of the thread in anticipation of the flame wars.::
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 01:39 PM (AkOaV)
MKH seemed very happy with both her career and as a wife and mother, just beaming on TV.
God bless.
Posted by: Blacksheep at September 21, 2015 01:40 PM (8/DeP)
Posted by: Minnfidel at September 21, 2015 01:41 PM (lTSU5)
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 21, 2015 01:41 PM (Xa4vS)
No, no. Dad's here. I'm sure no one will be awful in any of the ways.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 21, 2015 01:41 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: The Political Hat at September 21, 2015 01:41 PM (vBeA5)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 01:41 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Countrysquire, feeling reasonably fresh down there at September 21, 2015 01:41 PM (eEBON)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 21, 2015 01:42 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: The Political Hat
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Whatever the number, I hope it's permanent.
Posted by: Countrysquire, feeling reasonably fresh down there at September 21, 2015 01:43 PM (eEBON)
Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 01:43 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: The Political Hat at September 21, 2015 01:41 PM (vBeA5)
I'm going to be optimistic and say no one will be banned because everyone will be kind and not huge assholes.
But I also lost a lot of money on Greek stocks, so I wouldn't trust my judgement on these things.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 01:43 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Joe Mama at September 21, 2015 01:43 PM (zLv2s)
Posted by: fixerupper at September 21, 2015 01:43 PM (8XRCm)
keep an eye out for the leftist who inevitably makes some nasty comment and then deletes it, but not before someone grabs the screen shot. Zombie will probably remember one of them.
Posted by: mallfly at September 21, 2015 01:43 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 21, 2015 01:43 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 21, 2015 01:44 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Lauren at September 21, 2015 01:44 PM (ZJI/r)
Posted by: kathysaysso at September 21, 2015 01:44 PM (fMQoG)
Posted by: Irony at September 21, 2015 01:44 PM (tFWWx)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 01:44 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 21, 2015 01:45 PM (Xa4vS)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 01:44 PM (zOTsN)
Was it about her personally or just GFM stuff?
I truly can not imagine anything harder than losing your husband at 7 months pregnant.
Posted by: Lauren at September 21, 2015 01:44 PM (ZJI/r)
God, that would be awful.
Posted by: Lea at September 21, 2015 01:46 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 01:46 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 01:46 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 21, 2015 01:46 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Lizzy at September 21, 2015 01:46 PM (NOIQH)
The account was set up FOR her, not BY her.
Her friends and colleagues want to help her in this nightmarish time. There is nothing wrong with that.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 21, 2015 01:47 PM (4zDs/)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 01:47 PM (zOTsN)
there were fundraisers for Deputy Goforths kids. And for Brietbarts family. Give or dont give. No one is compelling you
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 01:46 PM (zOTsN)
Fair enough, ThunderB.
Posted by: kathysaysso at September 21, 2015 01:47 PM (fMQoG)
Posted by: lurkingestlurker at September 21, 2015 01:48 PM (NahjC)
Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 01:48 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 01:48 PM (D+Qfo)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 21, 2015 01:48 PM (0XyIg)
Posted by: gwelf at September 21, 2015 01:48 PM (nyxv/)
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at September 21, 2015 01:49 PM (Nj2wY)
Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 01:49 PM (mcm0N)
May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 01:49 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 01:50 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: phoenixgirl
Amen.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 21, 2015 01:50 PM (ksPsw)
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This should read, "at least the kids education funding should be taken care of."
It goes without saying that young children growing up without their father is an unimaginable trial.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at September 21, 2015 01:50 PM (UhRGU)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 21, 2015 01:50 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Your Mom at September 21, 2015 01:50 PM (0dcbp)
This sux.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at September 21, 2015 01:51 PM (X+nFp)
Posted by: Mike in the Hinterlands at September 21, 2015 01:52 PM (lsZMj)
Posted by: lurkingestlurker at September 21, 2015 01:52 PM (NahjC)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 21, 2015 01:52 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Go Fund thee at September 21, 2015 01:52 PM (4WQyf)
IOW a true adult .
Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 01:53 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: Burn This Shit Down at September 21, 2015 01:53 PM (B1CdP)
Posted by: kathysaysso at September 21, 2015 01:44 PM (fMQoG)
Then don't donate.
There, the problem is solved.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Stock up on Trumpian Terrors from the Outrage Outlet! at September 21, 2015 01:53 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Soona at September 21, 2015 01:53 PM (Fmupd)
"If you can't post anything nice..."
Posted by: Your Mom at September 21, 2015 01:50 PM (0dcbp)
THANK YOU!!!
....there is a thing called "empathy" it's not learned...it comes from with in....there are some people who just don't have it....and to make matters worse.....they don't know when to keep an insensitive thought in their head......and not broadcast it.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 21, 2015 01:54 PM (0O7c5)
This sux.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at September 21, 2015 01:51 PM (X+nFp)
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How tragic, and for one so young.
None of us are promised tomorrow. Keep short accounts, with your family, with those in your daily life, and with God.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 01:54 PM (dFi94)
Soon enough her grief will come crashing through the wall. My heart just goes out to her and her kids.
Sending prayers and love your way, Mary.
Posted by: PJ at September 21, 2015 01:54 PM (cHuNI)
Then don't donate.
There, your problem is solved.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Stock up on Trumpian Terrors from the Outrage Outlet! at September 21, 2015 01:55 PM (hLRSq)
Wow. That's a tough one to work through. Thoughts as well.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 21, 2015 01:55 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Kevin C at September 21, 2015 01:55 PM (0v+hu)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 21, 2015 01:55 PM (0XyIg)
I cannot understand how this would be controversial. Cuz he worked for Obama?
Posted by: chi-town Jerry at September 21, 2015 01:55 PM (rsibf)
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at September 21, 2015 01:56 PM (Nj2wY)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Stock up on Trumpian Terrors from the Outrage Outlet! at September 21, 2015 01:56 PM (hLRSq)
When she announced about the second kid, didn't somebody make a joke that, if it were a girl, she should name her Virginia?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 21, 2015 01:56 PM (zF6Iw)
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HA! Pixy refuses to allow me the use of the powerful ellipses!
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 21, 2015 01:57 PM (Xa4vS)
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Didnt see that coming.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 21, 2015 01:57 PM (iQIUe)
Finally, Mary Katharine has asked that people consider donating to a cause very close to their hearts: The Travis Manion Foundation, which supports families of fallen US servicemen
fallen servicemen
a leftist cause
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 01:57 PM (zOTsN)
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56 - College is a leftist cause. That doesn't mean we shouldn't donate. Now if you're suggesting that this is outright fraud and the money won't be going to MKH and the kids, I'd like to know more about that. Specifically, I'd like to see any proof you might have.
Posted by: MikeJ at September 21, 2015 01:58 PM (Us4M2)
Vicnaya pamjat.
Posted by: LibertarianJim at September 21, 2015 01:58 PM (WDCYi)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 21, 2015 01:55 PM (0XyIg)
Because all of these commenters on the internets knew all about who set it up and their deep, sinister motives.
Or they are a bunch of juvenile sociopaths who can't help but take an awful event and make it worse for their own sick thrills.
Take your pick.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Stock up on Trumpian Terrors from the Outrage Outlet! at September 21, 2015 01:58 PM (hLRSq)
It says right there on the go fun me webpage that it was set up by Guy Benson, who was a co-author with MKH on her latest book, and IIRC her boss at TownHall, and personal friend.
Like, right on the page. Top right corner.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 01:59 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 21, 2015 01:59 PM (Xa4vS)
1) Don't assume you know anything about her, her family, or her finances.
2) Show some compassion. You can do that my simply not commenting.
3) You have the right not to contribute - no questions asked.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at September 21, 2015 02:00 PM (UhRGU)
No, coming online and bitching about people raising money for a woman who is 7 months pregnant and just lost her husband is tacky.
NONE OF US KNOWS what her financial situation is. I doubt she made 6 figures. She is not a regular by any means. She probably still has student loans, and I am pretty sure they live in an expensive area, so her mortgage on even a tiny condo is probably insane.
I am also pretty damn sure that someone who knows her well would not have set this up if he didn't think it was needed to an extent.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 21, 2015 02:00 PM (4zDs/)
Now you're trying to start something. That is totally separate from the GoFundMe discussion. A direct donation.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 21, 2015 02:00 PM (0XyIg)
read the go fund me and then make up your own mind
the fund was started by a conservative man, for a conservative women to help her in her time of obvious need
the money will be given to the conservative woman for distribution as she sees fit
one of the causes stated in the go fund me is a charity for fallen servicemen
like a memorial gift
is that pure enough?
conservative enough?
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 02:00 PM (zOTsN)
Thoughts and prayers for MKH and her daughter.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 21, 2015 02:00 PM (S+N7W)
I'm just going to leave this here for the people who are questioning if he had life insurance ect. ect. ect.
When you reap your harvest in your field and have forgotten a sheaf in the field, you shall not go back to get it; it shall be for... the widow, in order that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands (Deut. 24:19).
Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world (James 1:27).
Posted by: Lauren at September 21, 2015 02:01 PM (ZJI/r)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 02:01 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at September 21, 2015 01:56 PM (Nj2wY)
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Ace said: "Brewer's family has started a GoFundMe account to raise money for Georgia's and the unborn child's college education."
I see no mention of Benson. I would also point out the page says education or causes. Maybe if people would stop misrepresenting things people would not question it?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 21, 2015 02:01 PM (iQIUe)
Sad.
Mary Katherine Ham conveys such a generous, warm, and engaging spirit. My heart breaks for her.
Posted by: Trump Super Fan at September 21, 2015 02:01 PM (l2dSQ)
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Ahhh ok, I didn't know who Guy Benson was.
Posted by: Burn This Shit Down at September 21, 2015 02:01 PM (B1CdP)
Senior Technology Adviser in the office of Technology (or some such thing.)
No, I don't know what that means in day-to-day work.
Again... germane, maybe. But nows not really the time to get in to it, right?
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 02:02 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 02:02 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Lauren at September 21, 2015 02:01 PM (ZJI/r)
Amen amen amen.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 21, 2015 02:03 PM (4zDs/)
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 21, 2015 01:59 PM (Xa4vS)
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That was another option suggested on the gofundpage. MKH is on the board of directors.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 21, 2015 02:03 PM (iQIUe)
He was in IT. The Democrats' IT that actually worked, not Orca.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 21, 2015 02:03 PM (S+N7W)
You can also skip the part where you loudly proclaim why you're not giving. Everyone gets it and already knows.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 21, 2015 02:04 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 21, 2015 02:01 PM (iQIUe)
Did you go to the page. Created September 20 by Guy Benson.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 02:04 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Sven10077-not your typical raccoon at September 21, 2015 02:04 PM (g8Hfr)
He worked in the WH Technology Policy office. It isn't an ideological position, at least not that I could see.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at September 21, 2015 02:04 PM (eytER)
You can also skip the part where you loudly proclaim why you're not giving. Everyone gets it and already knows.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 21, 2015 02:04 PM (4ErVI)
FIFY
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 02:04 PM (fWAjv)
I like her. She seems nice and smart and a good mom. She seems to be displaying amazing courage and graciousness while under horrible aching loss. She has a little one at home who is now without a daddy, and one on the way who will never know him. If someone wants to be generous and donate out of their pockets to this family who is under an avalanche of hurt, I am not going to look for Waldo among their motivations. Blessing others in a time of need shouldn't require an explanation or a justification.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 02:04 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: eleven at September 21, 2015 02:05 PM (rjtGa)
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 21, 2015 01:57 PM (Xa4vS)
Type in the following without spaces:
& # 8 2 3 0 ;
Posted by: The … Hat at September 21, 2015 02:05 PM (vBeA5)
Then again ... I'm not a frigging scold. The Left does not have a monopoly on such.
Posted by: Irony at September 21, 2015 02:05 PM (tFWWx)
People have a right to not give if they feel the money would go to causes they don't like.
I get that.
But to sit and bitch because a PRIVATE citizen and friend of a pregnant widow choose to set up a fund to help her out is fucking unbelievable.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 21, 2015 02:05 PM (4zDs/)
actually I'd be surprised if she were making "six figures." She's not a host on fox news, she's a guest under contract; do you think all those people showing up a couple of times a week for five minute hits are rolling in cash?
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 02:06 PM (dciA+)
As you probably remember, the first group was arrested by al Nusra Front.
Weasel Zippers
Well at least Fredo and his peeps are consistant and Incompetent!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 02:06 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 02:04 PM (fWAjv)
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Did you read what I wrote which is a direct quote from Ace? People keep making conflicting statements.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 21, 2015 02:06 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Ever at September 21, 2015 02:07 PM (QZdJj)
Posted by: Sven10077-not your typical raccoon at September 21, 2015 02:07 PM (g8Hfr)
doesn't an ellipsis... basically consist of a couple of periods..?
Posted by: mallfly at September 21, 2015 02:07 PM (qSIlh)
"keep an eye out for the leftist who inevitably makes some nasty comment and then deletes it,"
You're right, of course - but if I'm ever tempted to think we on the right are better on average, when it comes to mobilizing tragedy in the service of cheap political advantage, a quick scan of the comments to a recent Instapundit post remind me human nature is what it is, regardless of politics.
Posted by: JPS at September 21, 2015 02:08 PM (NC7da)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 02:08 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: eleven at September 21, 2015 02:08 PM (rjtGa)
Posted by: mallfly at September 21, 2015 02:07 PM (qSIlh)
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Three exactly. And Pixy does not allow it. Well, for me anyhow.
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 21, 2015 02:08 PM (Xa4vS)
honestly some people are so ugly in their partisanship and their consequent conspiricizing; it's deeply unpleasant to witness them vomiting up their hatreds.
I wish they'd just go hang themselves.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 02:09 PM (dciA+)
How did he die, exactly?
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 21, 2015 02:09 PM (Y/e+m)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 02:04 PM (fWAjv)
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Did you read what I wrote which is a direct quote from Ace? People keep making conflicting statements.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 21, 2015 02:06 PM (iQIUe)
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Ace changed it. Again, I copied and pasted his original comment.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 21, 2015 02:09 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 21, 2015 02:09 PM (evdj2)
I think that's a legit, albeit semi-OT line of conversation.
I've often wondered similar things though I've always thought of Carville as more a barker type than true believer.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at September 21, 2015 02:09 PM (Nj2wY)
Don't ask rhetorical questions which can be answered by two mouse clicks and reading English.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 21, 2015 02:10 PM (JtwS4)
To perhaps resent someone because they make more money.
To envy that immediately after their young husband dies while they are pregnant...
Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 02:10 PM (mcm0N)
Another newsflash: Ann Coulter dates Liberals regularly.
Some people can keep politics separate from other areas of their lives. I am not one of them, but I do not begrudge those who do.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 21, 2015 02:10 PM (4zDs/)
Don't ask rhetorical questions which can be answered by two mouse clicks and reading English.
...
fantastic advice. People would much rather pose a darkly paranoid conspiracy theory than fucking click a link and read something.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 02:11 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Ian S. at September 21, 2015 02:11 PM (S+N7W)
Or was that eclipse?
Either way.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 02:11 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 21, 2015 02:06 PM (iQIUe)
Ace must have updated it then.
Guy Benson has started a GoFundMe account to raise money for Georgia's and the unborn child's college education.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 02:11 PM (fWAjv)
A truly tragic story.
I will keep MKH and her babies on my prayers
Posted by: Dancing Queen at September 21, 2015 02:11 PM (wKcYr)
Posted by: donna at September 21, 2015 02:11 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at September 21, 2015 02:11 PM (Nj2wY)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 21, 2015 02:11 PM (4zDs/)
honestly some people are so ugly in their partisanship and their
consequent conspiricizing; it's deeply unpleasant to witness them
vomiting up their hatreds.
I wish they'd just go hang themselves.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 02:09 PM (dciA+)
Well it's the insistence of proclaiming, over and over again, why they're not giving. We get it. We've already seen all the reasons. I confess I thought the gofundme page was weird when I saw it up yesterday. I thought seeing it so soon after the tragedy was a bit bizarre until I saw it wasn't MKH that put it up. Then it made perfect sense.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 21, 2015 02:12 PM (4ErVI)
and you base this on what, genius?
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 02:12 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Soona at September 21, 2015 02:12 PM (Fmupd)
Is it possible that the actual empathy response in some people has been so warped that it now demands that a 'conspiracy theory' be invented/promoted to explain the unexplainable?
The article that ace pointed out at The Atlantic, 'The Coddling of the American Mind', notes " subjective feelings are not always trustworthy guides; unrestrained,
they can cause people to lash out at others who have done nothing wrong."
What compels people to post such stuff? Do you think that MKH will not read this thread? Heck she's an 'ette !
Posted by: Mortimer at September 21, 2015 02:12 PM (0dcbp)
he was on a bike ride raising money for a cancer foundation, he lost control of his bike, swerved into on coming traffic.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 21, 2015 02:12 PM (0O7c5)
the links were provided
if you are so concerned,
go
read
them
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 02:08 PM (zOTsN)
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You go read them, shitstirrer. Dont give conflicting info and then whine when people question it. No, jerks like you just attack bc it you think it makes you look good. Why didnt you tell ace to go read the original page?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 21, 2015 02:12 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 21, 2015 02:13 PM (Xa4vS)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 02:13 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Stock up on Trumpian Terrors from the Outrage Outlet! at September 21, 2015 02:13 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 21, 2015 02:12 PM (iQIUe)
Because if we don't read aces links, we can't expect him to either!
(I'm joking, but calm down, alright. No big deal. No need to start a flame war over this.)
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 02:14 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: donna at September 21, 2015 02:14 PM (hUdMz)
conflicting info and then whine when people question it. No, jerks like
you just attack bc it you think it makes you look good. Why didnt you
tell ace to go read the original page?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 21, 2015 02:12 PM (iQIUe)
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please stop
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 02:14 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 02:14 PM (AkOaV)
He was an activist for progressive causes...
Obama strike you as hiring a lot of ideological opponents ANYWHERE?
That said he was father to her kids, and a human.
In old America...
Screw it my points were made.
Posted by: Sven10077-not your typical raccoon at September 21, 2015 02:14 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: prescient11 at September 21, 2015 02:15 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 02:15 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Sven10077-not your typical raccoon at September 21, 2015 02:15 PM (g8Hfr)
I also feel terrible for the driver of the car. I don't know if I could ever drive again after something like that. So hard to live with.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 02:16 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at September 21, 2015 02:11 PM (Nj2wY)
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Stop being a dishonest ahole. I know who started it.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 21, 2015 02:16 PM (iQIUe)
In this situation, he died fundraising for a cancer charity and yet some feel the need to loudly proclaim they won't help his family because...he was a democrat.
Seriously guys. Get a grip. Even if, heaven forbid, your 5 dollars went to the Bernie Sanders PAC, is safe guarding against such potentiality really worth writing something that may increase the pain of someone who hasn't even buried her husband yet?
We are all grown ups who can make up our own minds over giving to a cause. There's really no need to prove ideological purity by proudly saying you didn't because, liberal.
Posted by: Lauren at September 21, 2015 02:16 PM (S5zql)
How did he die, exactly?
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 21, 2015 02:09 PM (Y/e+m)
Went out of the bike area and got hit by a car. Apparently the city made it clear they weren't going to block traffic for the race so there was some risk that someone could get hit by a car.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 21, 2015 02:16 PM (4ErVI)
The article that ace pointed out at The Atlantic, 'The Coddling of the American Mind', notes " subjective feelings are not always trustworthy guides; unrestrained,
they can cause people to lash out at others who have done nothing wrong."
What compels people to post such stuff? Do you think that MKH will not read this thread? Heck she's an 'ette !
...
probably
add in some resentment (she's doing so well, even though her husband just died), some tall poppy syndrome, and a dash of the idiot's burning need to not ever appear to be an idiot, so he goes around proclaiming that he doesn't believe anything, because people who believe things are the ones who can be swindled.
a lot of conspiracy theorizing is due to that last one, dumb, uninformed people who realize they are potential marks, so, to show they're not marks, run around denying everything they encounter and declaring their disbelief in all things.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 02:16 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 02:16 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 21, 2015 02:17 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at September 21, 2015 02:17 PM (k9qR4)
Biking in DC on open roads is a dangerous endeavor, I'm sad he learned the hard way.
Posted by: Sven10077-not your typical raccoon at September 21, 2015 02:17 PM (g8Hfr)
Yes I heard someone else wish death or death of a family member for punishment for questioning a GoFundMe set up so soon after Mr. Brewers passing. Sad.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 21, 2015 02:17 PM (0XyIg)
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at September 21, 2015 02:17 PM (eytER)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 02:15 PM (zOTsN)
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My concerns are the mis-info and the attacks on people who question what is going on. And who the fk do you think you are fooling with your bs of omitting names so people cant see your stupid comment an respond? You dont fool people with that cheap trick.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 21, 2015 02:18 PM (iQIUe)
Just out of curiosity have you ever met Mr. Brewer?
...
I don't think so. I think I might have been at an event with MKH when he was present and pointed out to me, back when they were dating or maybe engaged. If I did meet him, it was a very quick and forgettable 'Hi how are you."
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 02:18 PM (dciA+)
A fund has been created for every widow I have known, albeit usually on a
smaller scale since they have lacked the name recognition of MKH.
I'm just going to leave this here for the people who are questioning if he had life insurance ect. ect. ect.
When you reap your harvest in your field and have forgotten a sheaf
in the field, you shall not go back to get it; it shall be for... the
widow, in order that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of
your hands (Deut. 24:19).
Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is
this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself
unstained by the world (James 1:27).
Posted by: Lauren at September 21, 2015 02:01 PM (ZJI/r)
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Well said
Posted by: gwelf at September 21, 2015 02:19 PM (TJ8HB)
Posted by: eleven at September 21, 2015 02:19 PM (rjtGa)
people who question what is going on. And who the fk do you think you
are fooling with your bs of omitting names so people cant see your
stupid comment an respond? You dont fool people with that cheap trick.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 21, 2015 02:18 PM (iQIUe)
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Again. please stop.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 02:19 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 21, 2015 02:19 PM (R8hU8)
you know there's poorer and richer areas right?
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 02:19 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: donna at September 21, 2015 02:20 PM (hUdMz)
Naturally a tragic sudden death leads to an outpouring of sympathy for the survivors. I feel this sympathy. I admire those who act on their sympathy.
But the guy who actually died? He's the one who lost the most, right? So, in a way I should grieve most for him.
Posted by: Kevin C at September 21, 2015 02:20 PM (0v+hu)
Indeed, how tragic. Losing an income is hard even for a short period of time, I can't imagine losing one permanently, especially with a kid on the way.
Selfish (myopic maybe?) thought it may me, when I head about this, I thought "there are times I'm glad my wife kept hassling me about figuring out our life insurance situation." (Which we just wrapped up this week.)
I can't imagine how I'd manage to keep myself together if I lost my wife. It's worth $18/month to know at least I'll have several years to recover while I figure it out. (And really, even 500k of life insurance only buys you a few years of expenses after the mortgage and an education fund, which is a lot, but it you still have to do a lot of figuring out in the wake of it all before your living expenses catch up to you.)
(And before anyone jumps on me, I know jack shit about MKH's situation, so don't take this as anything more than a personal reflection spooked up by the news)
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at September 21, 2015 02:20 PM (U8W/7)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 21, 2015 02:20 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 02:20 PM (dciA+)
My prayers for them.
Posted by: @votermom at September 21, 2015 02:20 PM (cbfNE)
I put your name on the top of my comment
I am tricking nobody. Telling someone to click the links is hardly an attack.
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 02:20 PM (zOTsN)
Order a cheeseburger, start getting weird attitude, I finally say, everything okay?
"I just don't believe animals should be killed to feed people. I'm vegan."
To which I say well I guess I can see where you're coming from. You're against the death penalty?
"Enlightened cultures don't need to resort to such barbarity."
Umm . . . hey don't you have a Planned Parenthood sticker on the back of your car?
Yeah, I don't think I ever called her later.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at September 21, 2015 02:20 PM (Nj2wY)
Not everyone has the chance to have a life that long or that good. I do pray that she is eventually able to remember that and to keep more of the good stuff in her heart and memory than the painful stuff.
While it was far too brief, I imagine that his life with her and his family was very, very full of love and great hope.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 21, 2015 02:21 PM (0dcbp)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 21, 2015 02:19 PM (R8hU
Yes. And it was a nice, non-political one.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 02:21 PM (AkOaV)
"Please contribute to help provide for their childrens' education as they grow up. These funds may also be used to advance ideas about which Jake was passionate."
Posted by: andycanuck at September 21, 2015 02:21 PM (+W1gD)
Was trying to say to Sven that I didn't know he was a WH staffer, even though I'd listen to her on WMAL. But lots of people work in the WH without being ideologues. I wouldn't condemn, say, the head electrician for working there either.
It sucks for MKH that this horrible thing happened. I don't think the level of tragedy is either elevated or mitigated based on who was signing Mr. Brewer's paycheck.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at September 21, 2015 02:21 PM (eytER)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 21, 2015 02:16 PM (iQIUe)
Could you try being the one to end it?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Stock up on Trumpian Terrors from the Outrage Outlet! at September 21, 2015 02:21 PM (hLRSq)
Her deceased husband's advocacies were known to thpse of us who pay attention when they married, and were commented upon here in some ONTs....
I'm insured to ~275000 my wife 425000... being a parent carries some estate planning duties.
Posted by: Sven10077-not your typical raccoon at September 21, 2015 02:21 PM (g8Hfr)
No kidding. Doesn't sound like he/she did anything wrong.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 21, 2015 02:21 PM (LA7Cm)
Some people can make assholish comments about anything, They are sad unhappy people in my view.
Posted by: The Jackhole at September 21, 2015 02:21 PM (3mTyP)
Yes. Obama issued a very gracious statement. Which is pretty much the only time I've ever said anything nice about Obama.
Posted by: Lauren at September 21, 2015 02:21 PM (S5zql)
Money is not everything.
Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 02:22 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: @votermom at September 21, 2015 02:23 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: donna at September 21, 2015 02:20 PM (hUdMz)
Good
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 21, 2015 02:23 PM (R8hU8)
Posted by: donna at September 21, 2015 02:23 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 21, 2015 02:23 PM (KkVB6)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 02:23 PM (zOTsN)
Ms 10077 and I strove to be covered for at least 5 years wage before Lad 10077...we upped it to 10 if we both pass.
It's a familial duty period.
Posted by: Sven10077-not your typical raccoon at September 21, 2015 02:23 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 21, 2015 02:23 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 21, 2015 02:21 PM (LA7Cm)
No, sometimes tragic accidents happen and its no ones fault.
But I'm sure the driver feels horribly guilty over it. Because any normal person would.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 02:24 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 02:25 PM (gf8BH)
That was the crux of the discussion on the ONT. 99% of the people who questioned the GoFundMe were respectful and sympathetic to MKH.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 21, 2015 02:26 PM (0XyIg)
I'm not flaming you.
Just learn to accept our values and mores are dying out and shrug.
My dead mother would beat my ass over a Go Fund Me in the wake of the loss of a spouse if I joined her in eternity.
Posted by: Sven10077-not your typical raccoon at September 21, 2015 02:26 PM (g8Hfr)
A few years ago, one of my family members was accidentally struck and killed in her own driveway by another family member. At the funeral, I don't recall anyone asking about her political views.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 02:26 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 02:25 PM (gf8BH)
Still here
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 21, 2015 02:26 PM (R8hU8)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt TrumpProd (tm) at September 21, 2015 02:26 PM (W2Fol)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 02:25 PM (gf8BH)
Other than some people using their Cloak of Internet +5 to reveal their true selves? No, nothing unusual.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Stock up on Trumpian Terrors from the Outrage Outlet! at September 21, 2015 02:26 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 21, 2015 01:55 PM (0XyIg)
Because all of these commenters on the internets knew all about who set it up and their deep, sinister motives.
Or they are a bunch of juvenile sociopaths who can't help but take an awful event and make it worse for their own sick thrills.
Take your pick.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Stock up on Trumpian Terrors from the Outrage Outlet! at September 21, 2015 01:58 PM (hLRSq)
It says right on the GoFundMe page linked in the OP:
"Those of us who love Jake want to help ensure that Mary Katharine and the family have everything they need -- now and (especially) in the future. Please contribute to help provide for their childrens' education as they grow up. These funds may also be used to advance ideas about which Jake was passionate. Finally, Mary Katharine has asked that people consider donating to a cause very close to their hearts: The Travis Manion Foundation, which supports families of fallen US servicemen"
That stopped me when I went to donate, considering that Jake was a leftist whose job prior to working at the White House was in support of the global warming scam and who also had ties to various Amnesty groups. I would be happy to donate if I know that the funds are for the kids and the kids alone, but I don't and the above quoted caveat makes me very leery of donating at all. I would like a little clarification before I donate, that's all.
Posted by: Weirddave at September 21, 2015 02:26 PM (WvS3w)
See, here we have a way to talk about it without being an asshole. There isn't any ugliness in this!
How are you, and the lil family, by the way?? And the roses?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 21, 2015 02:27 PM (4zDs/)
Posted by: pookysgirl can almost rum run at September 21, 2015 02:27 PM (K27gs)
Posted by: donna at September 21, 2015 02:20 PM (hUdMz)
I know it would be a miracle but I could have done again without him mentioning himself once again.
'I've often said that today's younger generation is smarter, more determined, and more capable of making a difference than I was as a young man. Jake was proof of that.'
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 02:27 PM (fWAjv)
Of course one difference is you KNOW your relative, but I digress.
Give 'til it hurts.
Posted by: Sven10077-not your typical raccoon at September 21, 2015 02:27 PM (g8Hfr)
Somebody archive this thread under "worst of the worst."
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 21, 2015 02:28 PM (bLnSU)
Ditto. And you said it very nicely.
Why is it so hard for some assholes to be decent?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 21, 2015 02:28 PM (4zDs/)
MKH's career, house, and tragedy are not the cause, cure, or symptom of any of our national problems. And yes, we did give full-throated support to the same kind of college financing efforts for Breitbart's kids. I don't remember any of this kind of warbling then.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 21, 2015 02:28 PM (659DL)
Posted by: Lea at September 21, 2015 02:28 PM (J52AC)
Posted by: Me at September 21, 2015 02:28 PM (iOZ/o)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at September 21, 2015 02:29 PM (c4yY7)
Let's not make it a literal term.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 21, 2015 02:29 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Lizzy at September 21, 2015 02:29 PM (NOIQH)
I am sorry for Mary Katherine's loss.
In a seperate issue regarding gofundme, I do not like this firm at all. Months ago I made I clear that I would not ever deal with them again. In fact, I inquired several times here if we could start our own online fundraising site.
Gofundme skims like 5% off the top. They are making out likee bandits.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 21, 2015 02:29 PM (Y/e+m)
Posted by: andycanuck at September 21, 2015 02:30 PM (+W1gD)
Not sure it's appropriate to discuss that here, but the family is doing well.
The Roses not so much. The KO rose needs shaping this winter (it's huge)
The tea rose got eaten again by the herd of deer, it may not make it the damage was pretty extensive.
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at September 21, 2015 02:30 PM (U8W/7)
Posted by: kathysaysso at September 21, 2015 01:44 PM (fMQoG)
I don't have a problem with people asking for money. It's when they DEMAND money. Or DEMAND the gubment forcefully take it from me and give it to them that gets me pissed.
Posted by: drill_thrawl at September 21, 2015 02:30 PM (JOG+K)
Posted by: Me at September 21, 2015 02:28 PM (iOZ/o)
It's to fund PP and Hillary!'s election campaign.
Happy.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 02:31 PM (fWAjv)
No kidding. Doesn't sound like he/she did anything wrong.
Wrong place, wrong time. Sad all around.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 21, 2015 02:31 PM (ksPsw)
Amen reading fine print is kind of a curse.
If MKH declaims need personally I am good for 100....
So far as I know she has classily said "donate to veterans and others in more need."
Part of why I am a fan of hers to the degree I am is her good humor and personal morals.
Posted by: Sven10077-not your typical raccoon at September 21, 2015 02:31 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: @votermom at September 21, 2015 02:31 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Soona at September 21, 2015 02:31 PM (Fmupd)
Either you believe the funds will go to Mary Katherine to administer or you don't
and either you trust her or you don't
but unless you are giving, you shouldnt be so worried about other peoples money
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 02:32 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2015 02:32 PM (1+XCd)
See ? Was that so hard?
Posted by: Your Mom at September 21, 2015 02:32 PM (0dcbp)
Pretty sure Guy is gay. RIP to MKH's husband.
Posted by: Benji Carver at September 21, 2015 02:32 PM (OD2ni)
Mote. Beam, Tattoo. You are as deaf to irony as any I have seen on these pages.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 21, 2015 02:33 PM (659DL)
It's when they DEMAND money. Or DEMAND the gubment forcefully take it
from me and give it to them that gets me pissed.
Posted by: drill_thrawl at September 21, 2015 02:30 PM (JOG+K)
Agreed. Give if you want or don't.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 21, 2015 02:33 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 02:33 PM (gf8BH)
Our deepest sympathies, from my family to hers.
Posted by: MTF at September 21, 2015 02:33 PM (TxJGV)
amazingly on-point advice, what a sad thing that alleged conservatives need to be reminded about this.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 02:33 PM (dciA+)
determined, and more capable of making a difference than I was as a
young man. Jake was proof of that.'
--
Teh One forgets that his (my) generation wasn't entirely made up of choom smoking layabouts. This younger generation is not smarter, more determined or more capable than any generation before.
That said, my sincere condolences go out to MKH. What a tragedy for a young mother and her children to have to endure and deal with for the rest of our lives.
Peace be with them all.
Posted by: Lady in Black.....sigh at September 21, 2015 02:34 PM (pVkEV)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 02:34 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2015 02:34 PM (1+XCd)
My thoughts and prayers to her and her family. A husband, a father, and a son has lost his life far too early.
Posted by: Old Blue at September 21, 2015 02:34 PM (9iR5/)
Posted by: eleven at September 21, 2015 02:34 PM (rjtGa)
Posted by: Burn This Shit Down at September 21, 2015 01:53 PM (B1CdP)
And if you don't donate, you'll be sent to the FEMA camps with Alex Jones.
Posted by: drill_thrawl at September 21, 2015 02:35 PM (JOG+K)
Having just finished up all the "if you go first" stuff for my wife, here's my thoughts:
If, after I get everything back in line (which could take a while) there's more than I need, I'd probably honor my wife by giving the extra to things she cared about, not things I cared about (and we do care about different things.)
So in her case, yeah some money might end up at NPR or whatever her current love is at the moment. (Probably the epilepsy foundation that helps her mom)
In this case they do have an "in lieu of" right there, if you're OK with that, it's an alternative and you'd know exactly where the money is going.
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at September 21, 2015 02:35 PM (U8W/7)
Posted by: Carol at September 21, 2015 02:35 PM (+CzPO)
Posted by: TVoC at September 21, 2015 02:34 PM (XzRw1)
Welcome to DU!
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 02:36 PM (fWAjv)
Feel bad. Would like to help the kids and mom. But give to his causes, not so much. Just because I dont want to donate to his passionate causes, doesn't mean I don't care about widows and orphans. Sheesh.
Posted by: Me at September 21, 2015 02:36 PM (iOZ/o)
Posted by: eleven at September 21, 2015 02:34 PM (rjtGa)
I second that. Especially if it involves volcano scenes.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 02:36 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: eleven at September 21, 2015 02:37 PM (rjtGa)
It's RWNJfunding.com
Posted by: Andy Reid at September 21, 2015 02:37 PM (0Iy+I)
In regards to the little children who are now fatherless:
"And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones
because he is my disciple, truly I tell you, he will never lose his
reward."
Matthew 10:42
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Notice the Scriptures say "give a cup of cold water TO them"
NOT "throw a cup of cold water ON them"
my two cents
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 02:37 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 21, 2015 02:37 PM (Xa4vS)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 21, 2015 02:39 PM (0XyIg)
and how he beamed when he heard her
it was beautiful
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 02:39 PM (zOTsN)
Feel bad. Would like to help the kids and mom. But give to his causes, not so much. Just because I dont want to donate to his passionate causes, doesn't mean I don't care about widows and orphans. Sheesh.
Posted by: Me at September 21, 2015 02:36 PM (iOZ/o)
Apologies. It's just been asked and asked. How is anyone except MKH supposed to know where it is going to end up?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 02:39 PM (fWAjv)
I love you grammie, that was awesome!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 21, 2015 02:39 PM (4zDs/)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 21, 2015 02:39 PM (ODxAs)
i understand what you are saying.... however...mathematically.... i would not have been able to marry until i was 36 and would not have been able to afford a child until i was 45........so not planning worked out well for me
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 21, 2015 02:39 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 02:39 PM (zOTsN)
Yeah, there is a youtube video that compiles a bunch of them. Truly heartwarming.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 02:40 PM (fWAjv)
No kidding. Doesn't sound like he/she did anything wrong.
Wrong place, wrong time. Sad all around."
A buddy of mine was involved in a fatal accident years ago where a motorcycle crossed the yellow line and crashed head first in to my buddy's car, kiiling the motorcycle driver. My buddy was not at fault, but he has never gotten over it.
Posted by: Benji Carver at September 21, 2015 02:40 PM (OD2ni)
NOT "throw a cup of cold water ON them"
my two cents
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 02:37 PM (dFi94)
i love you......GO CUBS!!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 21, 2015 02:40 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Y-not at September 21, 2015 02:40 PM (0Iy+I)
and how he beamed when he heard her
it was beautiful
It gets real dusty on Facebook when you see those.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 21, 2015 02:41 PM (ksPsw)
I hope God comforts them in their grief and they go on to live happy lives despite their loss.
Posted by: DRayRaven at September 21, 2015 02:41 PM (9YRwm)
That happened 2 weeks after Mike got his driver's license. Nobody thought it was his fault, but he refused to drive for 2 more years. finally his dad basically forced him to get behind the wheel of a car again, because they lived in an area where you couldn't rely on public transportation to get around and his family was tired of hauling him around. His dad said, "look, this is something you have to do to function as an adult in America, unless you live someplace like NYC."
Posted by: Donna &&&V. (Brandishing ampersands) at September 21, 2015 02:41 PM (P8951)
There is a conservative version of GoFundMe I linked in the sidebar over
the weekend. You might find it under the myriad Carly Is Awful links.
It's RWNJfunding.com
Posted by: Andy Reid at September 21, 2015 02:37 PM (0Iy+I)
i found it yesterday!!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 21, 2015 02:41 PM (0O7c5)
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So nice to see you, Tammy! I've been hit-and-miss around here for a bit and have missed seeing your sweet self.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 02:41 PM (dFi94)
I had a friend go through a similar experience. Motorcycle was driving like an asshole, weaving in and out of traffic, no helmet on, but still my friend blames himself at least somewhat.
I think taking a life is one of those things you don't easily get over, even if was a total accident and not your fault at all.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 02:41 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: eleven at September 21, 2015 02:37 PM (rjtGa)
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yep
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 21, 2015 02:37 PM (Xa4vS)
Been here before. 'Thin veneer of civility'
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 02:42 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: TVoC at September 21, 2015 02:34 PM (XzRw1)
I thought Thin Veneer of Civility had already had a righteous banning.
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at October 20, 2014 04:09 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 21, 2015 02:43 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: jewells45 at September 21, 2015 02:43 PM (l/N7H)
And it's really hard when you know that sooooo many of the families of "regular" people who are killed don't get anywhere near the help they need, and then you see a celebrity get hundreds of thousands of dollars. I understand why folks get pissy.
But I don't begrudge anyone trying to help anyone else. And I don't begrudge anyone getting help, either.
Life is not fair, that's for damn sure.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 21, 2015 02:43 PM (4zDs/)
I lost a cousin to a drug addled run on the highway at midnight. Possibly shoved out of a car by drug addled friends?)
There was nothing the driver (who was just a random bloke driving) could have done short of being psychic. He was mortified, showed up to the funeral in tears and apologies. I felt awful for him because he'll never recover from something he wasn't at fault for. (He was the person who called the cops even.)
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at September 21, 2015 02:43 PM (U8W/7)
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 21, 2015 02:43 PM (/Ho8c)
people have kids and don't get life insurance is beyond me. It's not
even that expensive to get some pretty significant insurance."
If you've got anyone depending on you, not just kids, it's the sensible thing to think through.
I have a friend who supports an elderly dependent parent in ill health. If my friend were to be hit by a bus tomorrow, said parent would be in a terrible corner without my friend's paycheck income to draw upon as additional support. Said friend has made no contingency arrangements of any sort. None.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 21, 2015 02:44 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Donna &&&V. (Brandishing ampersands) at September 21, 2015 02:44 PM (P8951)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 02:44 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: maddogg at September 21, 2015 02:44 PM (xWW96)
This sux.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at September 21, 2015 01:51 PM (X+nFp)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This, for sure. A mere acquaintance of my daughter's committed suicide last March when my daughter was 14. She really has not been the same since. Very, very trying times.
Very sad for MKH and her family. I absolutely feel for her.
Posted by: deadrody at September 21, 2015 02:44 PM (vJOFB)
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I know! It's a terrible thing.... I don't know if I could ever drive my car again. Your family member must have really had to reach deep down and bring all his courage to the top. I hope he is doing well, sincerely.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 02:44 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 02:06 PM (dciA+)"
but, but, but, she's on TEE VEE!!!
Thoughts and prayers to MKH and her children; puzzled over much of the negative commentary here
Posted by: the Butcher at September 21, 2015 02:45 PM (fUjxW)
Posted by: jewells45 at September 21, 2015 02:45 PM (l/N7H)
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 21, 2015 02:43 PM (/Ho8c)
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LoL
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 02:46 PM (dFi94)
Thanks for that laugh, it was much needed!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 21, 2015 02:46 PM (4zDs/)
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic
I don't know, that guys politics always seemed a little sketchy to me.
Posted by: Aviator at September 21, 2015 02:46 PM (c7vUv)
Posted by: Soona at September 21, 2015 02:31 PM (Fmupd)
Can't speak for anyone else, but my experiences with grief show that there is a pause--from a few days to a week or so--from the time I hear about the death of a loved one to that moment whenthehammer falls and then feel everything.
My former brother-in-law (my ex-wife's brother) was like a real brother to me, divorced from his sister or not. My now-adult children adored their Uncle Tom. I had known him since he was a teenager. When Tom died suddenly and unexpectedly and horribly from a drug overdose (he had been clean for years), I was (at first) alternately angry and then guilty from feeling angry and then--several days after his funeral--I felt his loss fully The world was a better place with him in it.
I think that lull of emotions is a natural thing that allows us to remain functional so that we can be strongfor others and get the necessary things done.
Posted by: troyriser at September 21, 2015 02:46 PM (CMthJ)
Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 02:46 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: rebel flounder at September 21, 2015 02:47 PM (1DH1V)
Not that I would know about being pregnant, but I've heard it gets touchy the further along things get.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 21, 2015 02:47 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Old Blue at September 21, 2015 02:47 PM (9iR5/)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 21, 2015 02:43 PM (nCKKS)
I'm sure you feel really bad.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Stock up on Trumpian Terrors from the Outrage Outlet! at September 21, 2015 02:47 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 21, 2015 02:47 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 21, 2015 02:40 PM (0O7c5)
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THIS IS THE YEAR !!!!
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 02:47 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 02:48 PM (mcm0N)
*blink blink blink*
Posted by: Lauren at September 21, 2015 02:48 PM (yJUoa)
Posted by: jewells45 at September 21, 2015 02:45 PM (l/N7H)
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271 Geez Louise.. what the hell is wrong with some people here?
Posted by: jewells45 at September 21, 2015 02:43 PM (l/N7H)
Is that like self flagellation??
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 02:49 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Donna &&&V. (Brandishing ampersands) at September 21, 2015 02:49 PM (P8951)
In all likelihood she is focused on applying motion to tasks and giving the last good service she can to the man she loved other than raising his kids.
A spousal version of battlemind, there'll be plenty of time for her to hurt after she sees to her tasks.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at September 21, 2015 02:49 PM (g8Hfr)
I think taking a life is one of those things you don't easily get over, even if was a total accident and not your fault at all.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 02:41 PM (AkOaV)
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This still makes me laugh every time I hear it. Like the time an aquaintence of mine was killed in a semi-truck/motorcycle accident. The first question people ask is, "Was he wearing a helmet"?
Please.
Posted by: Soona at September 21, 2015 02:50 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 02:49 PM (fWAjv)
comments have been... shifting in here.
ace has been exercising his ban hammer.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 02:50 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Moderate Salami
Half drunk bottle of valu-rite, 1 pop tart, half a pack of menthols and a slim jim.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 21, 2015 02:50 PM (ksPsw)
Posted by: Carol at September 21, 2015 02:51 PM (+CzPO)
The political is the personal now.
MKH married someone who disagrees with us, so I guess we have to wish horrible tragedies on them or something and revel in their misfortune.
Please stop the planet, I'd like to get off if this is the ride.
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at September 21, 2015 02:51 PM (U8W/7)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 21, 2015 02:51 PM (0O7c5)
Please.
Posted by: Soona at September 21, 2015 02:50 PM (Fmupd)
The accident occurred at slow speeds in rush hour traffic, he died from smacking his head on the asphalt. had he been wearing a helmet -- could have been a different outcome.
Bike was totally rideable after the accident.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 02:51 PM (AkOaV)
ace has been exercising his ban hammer.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 02:50 PM (AkOaV)
I know
Just found it funny.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 02:51 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2015 02:51 PM (1+XCd)
Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 02:51 PM (mcm0N)
And her unborn baby will never know his/her father. Heck, the little one will probably not remember him. And now she has to raise two kids alone while grieving for her husband, their father.
I can't even imagine. Think of the very bitter-sweet day when the little one arrived, but Daddy can't be there.
May the God of all comfort strengthen and comfort her and all those Jake left behind.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 21, 2015 02:51 PM (QlyN5)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt TrumpProd (tm) at September 21, 2015 02:52 PM (W2Fol)
Posted by: maddogg
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Yep, they tend to have no scruples about politicizing tragedy.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 21, 2015 02:52 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 21, 2015 02:52 PM (0XyIg)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 21, 2015 02:52 PM (4AVeu)
Probably wargaming maximizing any benefits she is due if his posts are an indication.
Leaving behind an unborn kid is a hard row to hoe.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at September 21, 2015 02:52 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 02:52 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 21, 2015 02:50 PM (ksPsw)
takes bottle of valu-rite and replaces it with water
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 21, 2015 02:53 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Dianna at September 21, 2015 02:53 PM (DV/Ik)
Tb3k is a mirthful demigod of banning...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at September 21, 2015 02:53 PM (g8Hfr)
But the pop tart has to be chewed into the shape of a gun.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2015 02:53 PM (1+XCd)
Please.
Had that happen to a kid in high school. Yeah. He was. No, it didn't matter.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 21, 2015 02:53 PM (ksPsw)
honestly some people are so ugly in their partisanship and their consequent conspiricizing; it's deeply unpleasant to witness them vomiting up their hatreds.
I wish they'd just go hang themselves.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 02:09 PM (dciA+)
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Really ? This is the example we're setting ?
Being rude = YOU SHOULD DIE BY YOUR OWN HAND ?!
Nice
Posted by: deadrody at September 21, 2015 02:53 PM (vJOFB)
he will stand upon the earth. And after my skin has been thus destroyed,
yet in my flesh I shall see God. - Job 19:25
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 21, 2015 02:52 PM (4AVeu)
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........ runs off to youtube to find that aria .....
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 02:55 PM (dFi94)
One of the "joys" of our modern economy ma'am.
I do hope Ms Ham is financially secure.
Life is in the end the one thing we all gamble on.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at September 21, 2015 02:55 PM (g8Hfr)
honestly some people are so ugly in their partisanship and their consequent conspiricizing; it's deeply unpleasant to witness them vomiting up their hatreds.
I wish they'd just go hang themselves.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 02:09 PM (dciA+)
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Really ? This is the example we're setting ?
Being rude = YOU SHOULD DIE BY YOUR OWN HAND ?!
Nice
My thoughts exactly. Ugliest post on the thread.
Posted by: TX ette at September 21, 2015 02:56 PM (sUJHF)
293 TVoC must be a moby.
He's on the TB3K so, yeah.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 21, 2015 02:47 PM (evdj2)
And he's been on it for quite a while. So don't quote his shit when he spews it. It will be gone by your next refresh.
Posted by: Buzzion at September 21, 2015 02:56 PM (z/Ubi)
Very sad tragedy. Prayers to the widow and kids and their families...and to the driver of the car.
When I was driving OTR semi truck my greatest fear was to end up in a crash with a mini van or car...or to have some little kid ride their bike out in front of me in a city.
I can't imagine being involved in a persons death just by driving down the road to work or the store. Gotta be haunting to anyone.
Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at September 21, 2015 02:56 PM (T/M3V)
Bike was totally rideable after the accident.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 02:51 PM (AkOaV)
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But the question is asked every time there's a motorcycle accident no matter what the speed is. It's ridiculous.
Posted by: Soona at September 21, 2015 02:56 PM (Fmupd)
A good post could be MADE (ACE LOOKY HERE) on the tendency of our "Sumo Wrestler Cushion Outfit" safety mentality making people puritanical scolds on death circumstance.....
"Bob was sucked through a DC-8 engine"
"was he wearing his ramp vest?"
//Safetyidiocy
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at September 21, 2015 02:57 PM (g8Hfr)
He doesn't need it. Buzzion planned ahead so he would be able to continue working and supporting his loved ones even after death struck him down in his prime.
We can all take a lesson from his foresight.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 21, 2015 02:58 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Soona at September 21, 2015 02:56 PM (Fmupd)
Yeah, that is true.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 02:58 PM (AkOaV)
Gingy's riding teacher died a few weeks back, wearing a helmet, at maybe 35-40 MPH. Bike was completely rideable afterwards, he just landed wrong. It happens.
Posted by: Weirddave at September 21, 2015 02:58 PM (WvS3w)
I did the same exact thing when I got married (knowing we were going to try and have kids).
the advice I always give to people getting married is for both people to get life insurance.
how people have kids and don't get life insurance is beyond me. It's not even that expensive to get some pretty significant insurance.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 21, 2015 02:30 PM (3ZtZW)
I am also going to get my son (he's 2) life Insurance, it's a way for me to leave extra money for his future Kids and wife. Because I don't think I will get to see them. We control the insurance until we sign it over to him, it's to make sure he doesn't cash it out. One of the KOC members thier son had cancer, but since they took a policy out on him he can still get another 100 grand policy up to 7 times or 700,000, no questions asked.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at September 21, 2015 02:58 PM (c4yY7)
Grammie, you are so sweet, thank you, I miss this place, too. Usually.
tsrblke, I have a love/hate relationship with deer. They mowed down half my flowers this year, too.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 21, 2015 02:59 PM (4zDs/)
We can all take a lesson from his foresight.
Absolutely. Buzzion arranged for his reanimated corpse to continue posting in the HQ posthumously.
There has never been a more prepared Moron.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 21, 2015 03:00 PM (JtwS4)
Yup...every parent should start a ten pay life for their newborn within a month or so of their birth...
Lad10077 now has a 2500 dollar cookie jar or a paid 10,000 death benefit forver.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at September 21, 2015 03:00 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Soona at September 21, 2015 03:02 PM (Fmupd)
and he *may* live in the White House...
and why not evidently he can keep the nuclear football on a blackberry right Hillary?
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at September 21, 2015 03:06 PM (g8Hfr)
Sober, going 30, helmet on. Driver hit a pot hole. Doesn't matter how careful you are - sometimes random chance wins.
Posted by: Irony at September 21, 2015 03:07 PM (tFWWx)
Tattoo,
Take the rest of the day off before I fucking ban you, asshole.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 03:08 PM (dciA+)
I think some of the Internet Nasties only feel empowered to spread their filth in the darkness. What if a bright light gets shone on their hatred? Maybe that will be a more fitting chastisement.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 03:14 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 21, 2015 03:15 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 03:21 PM (dciA+)
Offer accepted, no take-backs.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 03:22 PM (dciA+)
I saw this ugliness when Robin Williams and Lauren Bacall died last year, it almost drove AtC into leaving the Horde
Mary Katherine Ham loved her husband deeply, it surpassed the differences in political viewpoints they had.
If this kind of attitude of "he was ONE OF THEM and therefore is destroying America" is what we've come to, then count me out.
Oh, and RIP to Jake Brewer and deepest condolences to MKH for such a tragic loss and their child who will never know his or her father
Posted by: kbdabear at September 21, 2015 03:23 PM (GrXXa)
the seething hatred and resentment demonstrated by a few here are truly vile.
You have cunts essentially saying "Good riddance to bad rubbish" over a father dying at age 34 because *he disagreed with them politically.*
Meanwhile, it is entirely put to one side that he leaves behind a wife who is a happy warrior for the right (if politics even enter into this).
Some of you, the ones spouting the ugliness here, need to get off the internet and stop thinking about politics -- it has warped you and made you rotten inside.
Take time off and get to know the human being that you once were.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 03:25 PM (dciA+)
Offer accepted, no take-backs.
*golf clap*
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 21, 2015 03:25 PM (JtwS4)
If your first thought after hearing of such a tragedy - mother of one with another in the way suddenly losing her husband isn't along the lines of pity, sympathy, empathy, compassion, whatever, you may want to check yourself.
None of us know the family's financial situation. No one is forcing you to donate.
I am not planning to make a donation, but so what? I do know that the donations will help the family left behind alleviate financial worries in such a harrowing time.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 21, 2015 03:25 PM (HtsKA)
Posted by: Me at September 21, 2015 03:26 PM (iOZ/o)
Posted by: Buzzion at September 21, 2015 03:26 PM (z/Ubi)
I think a little perspective on those who want to be the "polite police" would be helpful.
I don't think having questions about a donation account is really akin to wishing death on someone.
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mary katharine ham is a friend, Cunt.
What's your next claim?
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 03:29 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 03:30 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 03:31 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 03:32 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 03:33 PM (dciA+)
I posted last evening that my values line up with your feelings on the issue Ace, but here's the thing the Democrats party of the Wellstone Memorial and cheering on Tony Snow's cancer death are NEVER punished by society for their hate...
they are winning and God help me I do sometimes long to pay evil unto evil.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at September 21, 2015 03:33 PM (g8Hfr)
You know how Hillary keeps saying she had State Dept. permission to use her own server?
You could say you have AoSHQ permission to alter your policy.
The board has generally been better since the recent banning policy. A little judicious pruning might make you happier with your own blog.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 21, 2015 03:34 PM (JtwS4)
MKH is not my friend but has been a friendly cyber contact/tweep, and I do wish her heart succor in the coming years as she carries on.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at September 21, 2015 03:34 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 03:35 PM (dciA+)
So if a small percentage goes to causes you don't agree with, it's what, a few thousand bucks?
Meanwhile, it will help out a pregnant widow with a young child who is not making 6 or 7 figures and no longer has her husband's salary to pay the bills.
We're supposed to be above ugly shit like this, not their fucking mirror images.
Damn, this is why I'm drifting away from all politics and spending more time on sports and boob pics
Posted by: kbdabear at September 21, 2015 03:35 PM (GrXXa)
I have a liberal bike riding brother whom I am now worrying about because of this (the biKe riding in DC, and he happens to be the same age as Jake). So, if, God forbid, something like this happened to him, I would get similar reactions to those some (not most, thankfully) have posted here.
Do these people have any liberal relatives or friends that deserve no sympathy whatsoever regardless of the circumstances?
Sad.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 21, 2015 03:35 PM (HtsKA)
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at September 21, 2015 03:35 PM (g8Hfr)
no they're just stupid little robotic hate machines now. There is nothing human left in them.
This isn't about Jake Brewer, it's about MKH and her kids.
Seven months pregnant, a widow seven months pregnant, and they have to shit all over everything because they're full of nothing but unthinking animal rage.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 03:38 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: steelydave at September 21, 2015 03:38 PM (QfYNs)
MKH comes here and reads this blog, I'm certain of it. She's a sweet lady and smart as hell. Do you want a friend like that coming and reading anything mean about her dead loved one? Seriously people, have a heart and show the slightest shred of humanity.
I'm glad 99% of the people here get it. Probably more. I'm sad some don't.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 21, 2015 03:38 PM (39g3+)
As an analogy it's kind of like discovering your inspirational Christian pastor has been married to a snarky atheist the whole time. The type who laughs about people praying to "magic sky jeebus". This atheiest was helping to raise the pastor's daughter, how real a Christian are they?
This all goes back to the DC/GOPe trust issues with the base. Sad about the guy's death, wish it hadn't happened but many people are learning some highly relevant info about MKH for the first time and it's jarring. Not all of them are handling it with grace. I hope she finds comfort and peace in the coming days.
Posted by: Irish Mike at September 21, 2015 03:39 PM (ep6+F)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 21, 2015 03:40 PM (39g3+)
Exactly. A lot of Internet Tough Guys.
Think about those words: Internet. Tough Guys.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 03:41 PM (dciA+)
I have slowly allowed my friendships with the left to wither on the vine and have little issue merely being cordial with family that swing left.
I'm not proud of it but it is the state of American activism.
Posted by: Sven10077-not your typical raccoon at September 21, 2015 03:42 PM (g8Hfr)
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As far as this thread goes, I was hoping you could amend your usual policy and go ahead and just ban. #133 has been grating on me ever since it was first posted so, without your scruples, I would have hammered that thing long ago.
Posted by: MTF at September 21, 2015 03:42 PM (TxJGV)
well I personally knew he was some kind of liberal, but didn't know he'd worked in the Obama administration.
For the people who can't imagine marrying someone of differing politics: You're emotionally retarded. It happens. Get over it.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 03:43 PM (dciA+)
And it just occurred to me that he is my brother's age, lives in the same geographical region, shares the same love of bike riding. Would people be so ungracious if my family lost him.
And this is much more tragic. My brother is single with no kids. This man left behind a young pregnant wife and a child. Ugh. So, so sad. I can't imagine her anguish right now.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 21, 2015 03:43 PM (HtsKA)
It's about who leads the families of those of us whose service members go to war to a degree Ace...
The new Sec Army to be thinks the force should be more worried about the Glee Gang's hang-ups than mission readiness....
I'm glad this may be our last assignment.
None of this eases heer heartfelt pain or sorrow.
Posted by: Sven10077-not your typical raccoon at September 21, 2015 03:46 PM (g8Hfr)
And it just occurred to me that he is my brother's age, lives in the same geographical region, shares the same love of bike riding. Would people be so ungracious if my family lost him.
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that's how it hit me. That, and to make sure I always wear a helmet when bike riding. I might wear elbow pads too.
I just don't understand people whose minds are so tiny that when confronted with something big and huge like death and loss and tragedy, the only thing their little brains can turn to is their little tiny woobie of making partisan political points and doing rapid-fire oppo research on dead men.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 03:46 PM (dciA+)
Christians are only supposed to marry those who belong to Christ. I was unaware that there was anything in the Conservative rule book that proscribes marrying someone who isn't conservative.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 21, 2015 03:47 PM (HtsKA)
My wife is more liberal than I am, although the scale is shifted because I'm pretty conservative. Put it this way...she sincerely supports Trump. She liked McCain. She is a gay marriage proponent.
But like Matalin once said of Carville, you can't always choose who you fall in love with, and I happened to fall in love with someone to the left of me politically. We drive each other nuts about politics, and we get into heated debates, but the love is there.
We are also fortunate to make a relatively comfortable living, both through hard work and making opportunities happen for us.
And that's why it would really break my heart if I came on here and said that I lost my wife to an accident and talked about her, some folks would heap vitriol that my wife was passionate about a cause they detested, and gee we're doing pretty well anyway so I don't have it so bad. I mean, I value you morons (yes, even jwest and moo moo), and would really be heartbroken if people I thought had my back instead started throwing rocks at me like that.
Just thinking out loud.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at September 21, 2015 03:47 PM (eytER)
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Well said.
Posted by: MTF at September 21, 2015 03:48 PM (TxJGV)
356 How about a gofundme campaign to provide for Ace upgrading to a better comment system? I'd definitely donate $50 toward that.
Not being able to directly reply to a comment is ANNOYING!!! and detracts greatly from the blog, amIright?
Posted by: Mortem Omnibus Progressivus at September 21, 2015 03:39 PM (eKIg1)
Nope. And hell today Rush was complaining about how he no longer goes to some site because with all the ads and crap there it's impossible to find the content. So maybe that's why he's been mentioning the HQ more. Because this site can't handle all those auto play and full page flash advertisements so he can actually find the content.
Posted by: Buzzion at September 21, 2015 03:48 PM (z/Ubi)
It's a DC beltway story, if she really believed what she was preaching for a living it's hard to see her marrying a highly political WH staffer. It makes her politics look more financial than monetary and people are somewhat upset by it. Doesn't mean she and her husband deserve any vitriol or hate directed at them.
Posted by: Irish Mike at September 21, 2015 03:49 PM (ep6+F)
He died doing a fundraiser for cancer and was supportive of the Travis Manion Foundation which raises money for the families of fallen servicemen.
Yeh, real shit that is ruining America there, ain't it
My siblings go pretty far to the left of me, but I know they're good people and I love them very much
I really fucking hate politics anymore, all of it
Posted by: kbdabear at September 21, 2015 03:51 PM (GrXXa)
Not at all what I'm saying. Marry whom your heart desires and God bless your marriage.
But when you rake in a six figure income selling conservative ideology and then it turns out you're married to someone who is powerfully opposed to those values (not just someone who is agnostic towards them), expect some people who've bought your book to look at you quizzically.
Posted by: Irish Mike at September 21, 2015 03:52 PM (ep6+F)
For non-activists you'd be right in that dissimilar political beliefs can be present in a successful marriage, but for hard-core believers, and MKH portrayed herself as one for many years and we know her husband was one, it is far, far less likely that a politically opposed marriage could be viable.
It looks like she played us for fools....and now is collecting cash from a gofundme campaign. That's just as bad as Joe Biden using the death of his son to make political hay. It's disgusting in both cases.
...
banned
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 03:52 PM (dciA+)
"If this kind of attitude of 'he was ONE OF THEM and therefore is destroying America' is what we've come to, then count me out."
Well said, and thank you.
Posted by: JPS at September 21, 2015 03:53 PM (NC7da)
Posted by: Mortem Omnibus Progressivus at September 21, 2015 03:50 PM (eKIg1)
Your ignorance of the situation betrays your own internal ugliness.
Posted by: Maetenloch at September 21, 2015 03:53 PM (pAlYe)
Part of Gollum and Mary M's "getting away with it" is they were both on air political operatives Brewer wasn't....
That said yeah "so what?"
Posted by: Sven10077-not your typical raccoon at September 21, 2015 03:54 PM (g8Hfr)
Rush has been married, what, 4 times now? Have all his wives been conservative? It wouldn't surprise if there was a liberal among them.
MKH and her husband were able to make their marriage work. The fact that, for example, I could never see myself marrying a committed liberal is immaterial to the Brewer marriage.
Ann Coulter dated Bill Maher, I think. Laura Ingraham dated Olbermann.
This is not a,first.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 21, 2015 03:56 PM (HtsKA)
So because President Obama is an opportunistic asshole, it's OK to make political cheap shots at a liberal who died at age 34?
Tell you what, friend: I don't look to President Obama to set my standard of what's OK and what's not.
Posted by: JPS at September 21, 2015 03:56 PM (NC7da)
Posted by: JPS at September 21, 2015 03:57 PM (NC7da)
same geographical region, shares the same love of bike riding. Would
people be so ungracious if my family lost him?
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 21, 2015 03:43 PM (HtsKA
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I wonder too. Have "we" become "them"? I don't want to do that.
I
am struggling with my inner selfish self to get past the labels and see
people as people, people for whom Christ died, people whom God loves,
people I am called to serve. I'm finding out more and more that politics is poison for me. It's toxic. It
twists my mind into a me / them mentality. Not good. Not good for my soul.
So i mostly come here now to read along and say hi to people and taunt Bears fans. Plus the cooking thread though i don't cook.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 03:57 PM (dFi94)
Well that formatting looks like something the cat dragged in and the dog wouldn't eat. Sorry about that.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 03:58 PM (dFi94)
nah we'll just ban you
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 03:59 PM (dciA+)
The catch? This isn't a civilized age full of decent people. It's 2015 in America. Those on the right have been bombarded for decades now with hate from the left, it's turned people hard and cold. It's politicized our society. The anger directed at Obama logically could extend to any of his foot soldiers. These are the horrible wages of the political climate we've all participated in creating.
I condemn the hate directed at MKH and her late husband who certainly didn't deserve the hand he was dealt but this is just the smallest taste of the horror to come in this country.
Posted by: Irish Mike at September 21, 2015 04:00 PM (ep6+F)
you're wording everything okay so I won't ban you but you're an idiot.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 04:02 PM (dciA+)
We've all been there no literally the barrel....
So I am using the phone b/c I am updating one box while reinstalling win7 on another to get both up to win10....
So not just dumb but mind numbingly bored I'll take your turn in there
Posted by: Sven10077-not your typical raccoon at September 21, 2015 04:02 PM (g8Hfr)
Hey Sven are you still at Ft. Jackson? Son just recently moved down that way. Or did I read that you had wandered off the reservation, so to speak?
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 04:04 PM (dFi94)
You should not read this site nor any other. You should attempt to center yourselves psychologically and spiritually and figure out how to put back the the human thing inside of you before it withered and was replaced with anger and hatred.
You need time off. You have taken a political position and turned it into the *entirety of your personality and humanity.*
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 04:04 PM (dciA+)
If I were Ace and I'd just read your comment after everything he just explained, I'd be sorely tempted to convert this blog into a popular entertainment and sports blog or shut it down altogether, because the darkness of some souls just isn't worth it
Posted by: kbdabear at September 21, 2015 04:04 PM (GrXXa)
Just because you strongly disagree with someone's beliefs and choices doesn't give us a right to hate them. It is unbecoming of followers of Christ who were loved while we were sinners.
Lest we forget, God loves Hillary and Obama and would welcome them with open arms if they turned to Him.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 21, 2015 04:05 PM (HtsKA)
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 04:04 PM (dciA+)
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This is what was creeping up on me.
I had to take a months-long break.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 04:06 PM (dFi94)
No loyalty oaths. She is free to love whom she chooses. But like I said, imagine you discover your pastor is married and raising a child with a snarky "oh look at the sheeple praising magic sky jeebus" atheist. That's gonna cause a crisis of faith in the congregation and that's not anybody's fault, it's human nature.
Is that fair? Shouldn't the pastor love and marry who ever their heart desires? Of course, but their are consequences in terms of how people perceive them. MKH and Brewer had almost no public online connection for a reason. For better or for worse they both knew it was bad for their careers. Would that we lived in a world where that wasn't necessary.
Posted by: Irish Mike at September 21, 2015 04:06 PM (ep6+F)
Posted by: Buzzion at September 21, 2015 04:06 PM (z/Ubi)
beliefs and choices doesn't give us a right to hate them. It is
unbecoming of followers of Christ who were loved while we were sinners.
Lest we forget, God loves Hillary and Obama and would welcome them with open arms if they turned to Him.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 21, 2015 04:05 PM (HtsKA)
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Absolutely. Absolutely. I found myself turning into a stumbling block. That had to stop. I had to stop.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 04:07 PM (dFi94)
i kind of want to keep it open. I'm morbidly curious, and also, I'd like a list of people to ban.
Honestly, anyone who leaps to spit hatred here is going to be a problem or, in most cases, HAS BEEN A CONTINUING PROBLEM on the site in the past and I just never did anything about it.
So I'd like the Corps of Internet Assholes to continue taking roll call.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 04:08 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 04:08 PM (zOTsN)
Nope we left SC on 25 August we are now in scenic Montana....
Scenery's better at a minimum and we are contemplating our post Army life.
Posted by: Sven10077-not your typical raccoon at September 21, 2015 04:09 PM (g8Hfr)
No, no. This thread is like a bug zapper for people who really, really want to get banned and Ace is obliging them.
"MKH is a personal friend and you are being assholes".
So you know the ones that keep being assholes are the ones who can't help themselves.
*hands Buzzion a beer*
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 21, 2015 04:10 PM (JtwS4)
Sorry then, I'm not hedging my language. I mean what I say about caring that real human beings are suffering through a real tragedy that transcends politics.
I'm only saying this nasty, coarse tone in our political dialogue on the right is a trend that is only going to accelerate. Everyone in this country has successfully been "otherized" into red team and blue team.
Posted by: Irish Mike at September 21, 2015 04:11 PM (ep6+F)
Posted by: Buzzion at September 21, 2015 04:11 PM (z/Ubi)
As I said, a believer is expected to marry another believer.
There is no such requirement in politics. If people can't deal with it, that's on them.
And it's not like it was a secret that MKH's hubby was liberal. Which is immaterial in this circumstance.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 21, 2015 04:11 PM (HtsKA)
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 04:11 PM (dciA+)
Nope we left SC on 25 August we are now in scenic Montana....
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You're post-Army now? Good for you! (or bad for you, don't know you're situation). Either way I wish you and your little family the most wonderful of things. Bundle up though. Winter's coming.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 04:12 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Maetenloch at September 21, 2015 04:12 PM (pAlYe)
... you can't change people. Stop letting them change you.
Shut down comments on topics near and dear to you. Or limit comments to people you trust. Or something.
Because when you start dropping "cunt" and "fucking sad assholes", it's pretty obvious the status quo ain't working for you either.
Posted by: Irony at September 21, 2015 04:12 PM (tFWWx)
Part of why I strive to not post as much or know as much...
We're doomed to lose anyway may as well be ignorant and numb.
God tells me to pay evil with good....
My head says pay evil to evil too much I'm trying to find my heart again.
Posted by: Sven10077-not your typical raccoon at September 21, 2015 04:12 PM (g8Hfr)
When Proggies point to this and say "THIS IS WHO THEY ARE", all the good people I point to and say "THIS IS NOT US" can't quite wipe that away.
I always remind myself when I see vile comments by proggies, leftists, and libs that I know many who are good people and that's not how all of them are.
Posted by: kbdabear at September 21, 2015 04:14 PM (GrXXa)
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Yes He does. Tangentially, it benefits the other guy. But the real beneficiary is YOU. You get let out of the cage of hurt and resentment and bitterness. Who needs to be carrying that crap around?? pffffft
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 04:16 PM (dFi94)
If I were Ace and I'd just read your comment after everything he just explained, I'd be sorely tempted to convert this blog into a popular entertainment and sports blog or shut it down altogether, because the darkness of some souls just isn't worth it
I suppose you're right. I withdraw my comment. Mea Culpa! Mea Culpa! I'll even do penance.
Posted by: Mortem Omnibus Progressivus at September 21, 2015 04:18 PM (eKIg1)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 21, 2015 04:19 PM (HtsKA)
Good thing I didn't bet against that
Posted by: kbdabear at September 21, 2015 04:19 PM (GrXXa)
Posted by: Mortem Omnibus Progressivus at September 21, 2015 04:20 PM (eKIg1)
Posted by: mesablue at September 21, 2015 04:27 PM (Thzm9)
They are, and should be. I was only drawing an analogy to help folks better understand some of of the anger floating around the web about this. It's human nature to look askance at a leader or authority figure who it appears doesn't practice what they preach.
Marrying across political lines is fine but most people who do so aren't in the business of selling ideology. It looks different when you make your living saying one thing and living another. Some people reacted harshly and cruelly when they learned the news, made them feel they'd been conned. Given the current state of base to DC relations that's easy to understand but doesn't excuse the venom.
Posted by: Irish Mike at September 21, 2015 04:38 PM (ep6+F)
i'm sorry when did MKH vow to never fall in love with someone of a different politics?
Some of you are projecting your fucked-up shit on to other people and then claiming "betrayal."
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 04:48 PM (dciA+)
Sending MKH and her babies strength for what lies ahead. It will never be the same for her. Ever.
Posted by: Trish at September 21, 2015 04:48 PM (Kfb7Y)
I didn't check the comments over here last night, but i see some of the same about that was present over at Hot Gas yesterday evening. As shoddy as political discourse is, and as low of an opinion I have in humanity, some how it sank deeper. We've really become unhinged as a society. Everyone is always talking about how the anonymity brings out the worst in people, but still I get surprised at how far people will push it. It's like reading the darkest and worst youtube comments.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at September 21, 2015 04:49 PM (n/ogz)
Ms 10077 is finally done with her TRADOC hitch and will be working at a small shop...
a lot fewer 16 hour days...
we are either 3, 5, or 7 years from her retiring and we will be very happy gauchos.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at September 21, 2015 04:50 PM (g8Hfr)
It's only going to get worse....
the democrats are actively trying to undermine the ability of ~41% of the electorate to ever win the Presidency again as Free market types with Amigo Grande they will flood us with as many as it takes to destroy our way of life.
People will not respond to this disenfranchisement happily.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at September 21, 2015 04:53 PM (g8Hfr)
none of this changes that one of ours is now a widow far too young.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at September 21, 2015 04:53 PM (g8Hfr)
The crisis is we have actively had our Christian nation undermined by our government and the government's largesse interferes with the Good News penetrating some non-believers' hearts...
I am soul sick, and I do not see anything other than a new dark age coming.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at September 21, 2015 04:57 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at September 21, 2015 04:58 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Xavier at September 21, 2015 05:07 PM (nUj0Z)
Posted by: Xavier at September 21, 2015 05:14 PM (nUj0Z)
Some comments here go too far, definitely - over the line But it is hard to forget that this man, though loved and charished by MKH, was also using his time and talents to advance causes and initiatives which I believe will vastly harm my own child's future.
Of course I didnt wish him dead. And I'm not immune to the suffering of his widow. But we didnt just 'disagree about politics.' He and his 'work group' want to change our way of life! Fundamentally. It's kinda personal. It's kinda important.
It's a conflicting kinda thing.
Posted by: Me at September 21, 2015 05:20 PM (iOZ/o)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at September 21, 2015 05:29 PM (zOTsN)
I put your name on the top of my comment
I am tricking nobody. Telling someone to click the links is hardly an attack.
Posted by: ThunderB at September 21, 2015 02:20 PM (zOTsN)
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Is there anything you wont lie about? No, you didnt put my name on your comment earlier. You pull that crap all the time and you fool no one. And yes you are pathological.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 21, 2015 05:34 PM (iQIUe)
i know her a bit, just a bit, and she's just pretty as sweet as she seems on TV.
she lives by her mantra, she always tries to put positive energy and cheer out into the world.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 05:41 PM (dciA+)
... you can't change people. Stop letting them change you.
Shut down comments on topics near and dear to you. Or limit comments to people you trust. Or something.
Because when you start dropping "cunt" and "fucking sad assholes", it's pretty obvious the status quo ain't working for you either.
- - - -
Or you could, like, start your own blog.
Posted by: Community Organizer at September 21, 2015 06:07 PM (Bjvsz)
Amen
I am so very sad for Mary Katherine and their children.
And yes I read Obama's message. It was very nice. Probably the only nice thing I ever said about him. It was a truly nice message.
Posted by: AnnaS at September 21, 2015 07:07 PM (P+I7L)
Posted by: Levin at September 21, 2015 08:15 PM (SpGXB)
Horrible.
Posted by: adc at September 22, 2015 11:38 AM (elIOv)
Unimaginable grief. Just unimaginable.
Posted by: adc at September 22, 2015 11:41 AM (elIOv)
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