Weekend Links [Y-not]

Top thread is getting a bit gamey, so here's a bunch of links from the sidebar that you might have missed, plus this:

Carly Fiorina's HP Record in One Chart. More at Legal Insurrection.

From the sidebar:

Ballotpedia Topics and participation in the CNN Republican debate . Interesting graphical representations of who participated in which segments and for how long.

Jon Gabriel at Ricochet: The Mean Streets of Mackinac Island Chuckle-worthy account of the contretemps between Rand's guy, John Yob, and Rubio's guy, Rich Beeson. Background here.

The Lid: OMG I'm Going To Jail! Climate Gurus Want Obama To Throw Skeptics In The Pokey "In a letter to President Obama, Attorney General Lynch, and OSTP Director Holdren, UN IPCC Lead Author Kevin Trenberth and 19 other climate: scientists asked President Obama to have the thought police put climate skeptics in the pokey."

Finally, Phoenix freeway shooter suspect arrested. " 21-year-old Leslie Allen Merritt, Jr. was arrested Friday evening. DPS says he is "forensically linked" to the first four shootings." (Video) Father says he's innocent.

Open thread.

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1 NIU has kept it interesting for 3 quarters, but that may be about it.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 05:54 PM (vsbNu)

2 >>1 NIU has kept it interesting for 3 quarters, but that may be about it.

Yeah, they're kind of a sneaky team, capable of surprises.

Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2015 05:55 PM (0Iy+I)

3
When the thought police arrive, the revolution begins.

Posted by: GBruno at September 19, 2015 05:55 PM (u49WF)

4 What Carly did was replace expensive labor with cheap labor.

Posted by: not going to fly at September 19, 2015 05:56 PM (PGh+Q)

5 I find the top link of the sidebar interesting. The "outsider" that has received lots of past support from John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 19, 2015 05:56 PM (zt+N6)

6
The chart just shows us what a piece of shit Barbara Boxer was/is.

Senator Mam.

Posted by: GBruno at September 19, 2015 05:58 PM (u49WF)

7 Ola, new thread.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 05:58 PM (9ORmX)

8
Carly Farina was terrible at HP. This was no secret at the time. She was terrible.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 05:58 PM (TqzNj)

9 Carly hurt the HP brand. But a the HP competitors were doing it too. Tell the American people and all the new immigrants that their standard of living is going to be closer to the average Chinese than the average Wall Street employee.

Posted by: not going to fly at September 19, 2015 05:59 PM (PGh+Q)

10 Yeah, they're kind of a sneaky team, capable of surprises.
Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2015 05:55 PM (0Iy+I)

--The MAC is like that. Look what Toledo did last week. When Michael Turner played for them, NIU beat a pretty good Maryland team back in 2003.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 05:59 PM (vsbNu)

11 What the graph tells me is that after she was punted, HP enjoyed better growth than the three other companies charted.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2015 06:00 PM (7MWCL)

12
Does the stock price tell the whole story? No.

What about debt?

What about revenue?

What about market share?

What about quality??

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:00 PM (TqzNj)

13 Well, if Carly is an establishment shill Romney 2.0, she's a metric shit-ton better at expressing conservative principles, training her sites on the Democrats and Hillary, and man-handling the MSM than he was or any of the candidates y'all think the GOPe loves so much.

She's also not benefiting from that sweet GOPe money, but yeah, totally in it just to knee-cap Trump (who announced over a month after she did).

Keep this up and you'll turn me into a Fiorina supporter.

Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2015 06:00 PM (0Iy+I)

14
American Ninja Warrior is on tonight. It's a very good show.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:01 PM (TqzNj)

15 It's funny, usually when someone is a lousy employee they are booted after 5 months, not 5+ years.

Probably Karl Rove was behind that, too.

Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2015 06:01 PM (0Iy+I)

16 Auburn is getting thumped.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 06:02 PM (vsbNu)

17
What about outsourcing??

HP's junkie products are all made in China. Yes, I know, everything is made in China today. But do you think this will go over well in the campaign?

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:03 PM (TqzNj)

18 "Her nerves are shot after all those years working the marble slabs and copper kettles of Main Street. Spent too long in the fudge game."

I can testify! There is nothing more stomach churning, after a night of heavy drinking, than the smell of vanilla, and horse dung, on a humid morning as you turn the gooey gunk the tourists call 'fudge' or massaging the gooey gunk into little fudge balls with your hands. It feels just like it looks. Fudge Packers!

Posted by: Karl Bogendegia at September 19, 2015 06:03 PM (OUtMw)

19
>>>>4 Carly did was replace expensive labor with cheap labor.
Posted by: not going to fly at September 19, 2015 05:56 PM (PGh+Q)

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And kept the company alive. How many jobs would have lost if she hadn't? Have to look at all the companies that went under I suppose.

Posted by: GBruno at September 19, 2015 06:05 PM (u49WF)

20 man arrested claims he pawned the gun used in the shootings 2 months ago and didn't have the money to get it back out ......very strange.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 19, 2015 06:05 PM (0O7c5)

21 >>But do you think this will go over well in the campaign?

I say this a someone who likes Carly, even if she isn't one of my top picks: the Dems can go to town with this, just like they did with "binders full of womenz!!" and the dog on the car.

Basically: She failed at running HP, why would we want her to run America? BOOM

Posted by: Lizzy at September 19, 2015 06:05 PM (NOIQH)

22 They forgot to include the chart for lucent after she left there fro HP...

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 19, 2015 06:06 PM (sJuWI)

23 man arrested claims he pawned the gun used in the shootings 2 months ago and didn't have the money to get it back out ......very strange.....
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That should be easy to verify.

I sure hope they got the right person.

Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2015 06:06 PM (0Iy+I)

24 people who run a business are beholden to their share holders.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 19, 2015 06:06 PM (0O7c5)

25 Soothsayer - still around?

Posted by: Chi at September 19, 2015 06:08 PM (aYrkW)

26 13 Well, if Carly is an establishment shill Romney 2.0, she's a metric shit-ton better at expressing conservative principles, training her sites on the Democrats and Hillary, and man-handling the MSM than he was or any of the candidates y'all think the GOPe loves so much.

She's also not benefiting from that sweet GOPe money, but yeah, totally in it just to knee-cap Trump (who announced over a month after she did).

Keep this up and you'll turn me into a Fiorina supporter.

Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2015 06:00 PM (0Iy+I)

Yeah, uh too bad I was calling here a tool of the establishment to go after Hillary, before Trump announced. Tool as in useful item, not tool as in Jeb Bush is a tool.

As I said in the morning politics thread:

Why would she need more money? If she was just there to go out and attack Hillary that doesn't require much infrastructure to actually mount a campaign. You just need her going out there and getting on shows and calling out Hillary. Which was precisely what she was doing before Trump entered the race.

Why not give her just enough money, or a promise to cover expenses later as long as once she drops out she immediately endorses the establishment choice and could see her getting a nice position, possibly even the vice presidency.

Posted by: buzzion at September 19, 2015 06:08 PM (zt+N6)

27 That should be easy to verify.

I sure hope they got the right person.

Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2015 06:06 PM (0Iy+I)
......i hope they have the right guy too.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 19, 2015 06:08 PM (0O7c5)

28 So she laid off a bunch of American workers and saved the company. I suppose she can run on laying off a bunch of American voters and saving the country.

I'm pretty damn Dark Enlightenment myself, and if she were running for chairman of the board in some tyranno-capitalist state like Singapore I could see that being a selling point. Good luck making that case to the voters though.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 19, 2015 06:09 PM (bIk5t)

29 Keep this up and you'll turn me into a Fiorina supporter.
Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2015 06:00 PM (0Iy+I)

Your self importance must feel very exciting to you, don't let yourself be held back by the world's apathy.

Posted by: Aristotle at September 19, 2015 06:10 PM (FuB0M)

30 "Carly Fiorina Didn't Destroy HP" is hardly a powerful endorsement.

To the claim that her strategy was sound in that it eventually paid off, can we really afford to wait 6-8 years for her super-terrificness to take effect, and then only after she is gone (to analogize the positive spin presented in the article).

Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at September 19, 2015 06:10 PM (TFWFz)

31 That defensive back for NIU is gonna impress some NFL scouts after today.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 06:10 PM (vsbNu)

32
Incidentally,

Compaq bought Digital in 1998.
Hewlett Packard merged with Compaq in 2002.

Farina was CEO 1999-2005

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:11 PM (TqzNj)

33 Nevermind, Sooth - found it. "Get Low" is what I was looking for.

Posted by: Chi at September 19, 2015 06:11 PM (aYrkW)

34 carly is not the top candidate for me...but she's totally one i can joyfully vote for....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 19, 2015 06:11 PM (0O7c5)

35 Why would she need more money? If she was just there to go out and attack Hillary that doesn't require much infrastructure to actually mount a campaign. You just need her going out there and getting on shows and calling out Hillary. Which was precisely what she was doing before Trump entered the race.
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I'm glad you agree that her campaign has focused on attacking Hillary.

It's a good thing she's been doing that, since the others haven't been very effective at that so far.

Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2015 06:12 PM (0Iy+I)

36 Looking at the chart, I see IBM/HP moving in similar directions. IBM had their big iron, HP had their printer business, the desktop market was only part of their product line.

Dell would appear to follow the general desktop market, but HP didn't, even after Fiorina merged Gateway into HP.

Sun went the way of Dell, Sun selling a product that fell in between IBM's big iron, and the desktop market.

It would be useful to see charts of the desktop business, hardware and software, and contrast that with IBM's big iron.

This chart doesn't tell us anything about Fiorina.

Posted by: Karl Bogendegia at September 19, 2015 06:12 PM (OUtMw)

37 @24 That's why business success does not always equal political competence. We used to say that management's job was to "keep the company in business," but that changed too. Management's job is to "maximize shareholders' value," even it that means selling the company off. You have to do things, as a CEO, that look horrible to employees, sometimes to customers, often to old fans of your "brand."

As a result, every business leader has some accomplishments that aren't popular, and every one has pissed someone off. In the politics we have now, you must be all things to all people, like every other messiah in history. "King of Smiles."

Our ideas about leadership, both in a country and in a company, have changed, and we don't like to think about that. Before Hitler, we blamed Napoleon.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 19, 2015 06:13 PM (xq1UY)

38
Anyone remember Wang?
Stock symbol was WANG.

They went bankrupt in 1992. And then kinda re-emerged but only in remnants.

Anyone remember Data General?

How about Prime Computer?

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:14 PM (TqzNj)

39 Hey T'Hobo,

If you don't mind, how would you define "Dark Enlightenment?"

I was trying to define it in my own mind some days ago. I'd be curious to see how someone who identifies with it would describe it, particularly in this context.

Posted by: Grey Fox at September 19, 2015 06:14 PM (bZ7mE)

40 It's a good thing she's been doing that, since the others haven't been very effective at that so far.

Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2015 06:12 PM (0Iy+I)

Well as I said, I think its the whole reason she is in. Because the establishment is so scared to death of #WarOnWomen crap that they felt they needed a woman to do those attacks.

Posted by: buzzion at September 19, 2015 06:15 PM (zt+N6)

41
I'd say you'll enjoy Get Low, Chi.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:15 PM (TqzNj)

42 Farina was CEO 1999-2005
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:11 PM (TqzNj)

--Dennis Farina?

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 06:16 PM (vsbNu)

43 " There is no job that is America's God-given right anymore," Fiorina said in 2004, when she and other tech executives defended their decisions to move company jobs overseas."

Add to that the McCain love she got and....
Yeaahhhh. Bitch is not getting my vote.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 19, 2015 06:17 PM (hVdx9)

44 The only way I can spell 'Fiorina' is to think of 'Fiona' from Burn Notice.

"Can we shoot them?"

Posted by: Karl Bogendegia at September 19, 2015 06:17 PM (OUtMw)

45 "...kept the company alive..."
I will agree with you. So what? She is running for President and the MSM will take her out as soon as they get through using her as a stalking horse. They will say she sold out the employees to benefit the stockholders. Logic, reason, and histiry are not the strong suit of the voters that will pick the next president. Is she Adlai Stevenson clone? Wendell Willkie? Maybe she should consult an astrologer like Ronald Reagan. (The rumor of astrology consultation helped RR. Trump would know that. Not sure about the rest.)

Posted by: not going to fly at September 19, 2015 06:17 PM (PGh+Q)

46
IBM stinks now, too. It used to be known as "Big Blue" on Wall Street.

And if the former IBM CEO was running for president, I'd say No Thanks.

IBM now sells Chinese crap -- under the awful name Lenovo.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:18 PM (TqzNj)

47 NIU's RB is also doing very well, against a tough run defense.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 06:18 PM (vsbNu)

48 8
Carly Farina was terrible at HP. This was no secret at the time. She was terrible.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 05:58 PM (TqzNj)

I don't know how to even argue this anymore. It's turning in to a "political issue" where each side has their talking points.

Again, my view is from my personal experience and is "anecdotal" and I suppose I could be proven wrong.

But at the very least, her tenure at HP was... controversial and she had a mixed bag of good / bad decisions.

From a shareholder perspective, laying off a lot of people was a good decision. Replacing some of them with H1B visa holders was also a good decision. Unfortunately, from a political view those will not be popular decisions.

From someone who worked for an HP reseller after Carly had left (or right around that time is when i started), she was considered the worst CEO ever from the HP employees I interacted with and others in the HP reseller industry.

Essentially HP had the great idea to have one division of HP (HP Direct) compete with another division (the people who worked in channel sales with resellers) which snowballed in to a lot of issues. The long and short of it is that if I was working on a 1000 desktop deal and I told the HP channel rep, and he inputted in to "the pipeline" on the HP side, his counterpart in HP Direct would see the deal in the system, and call the customer and try to undercut me on price or at least plant doubts in their mind about buying from a reseller.

That led to a scenario where I wouldn't tell the HP channel rep I was working on a deal, and if I did tell him, he wouldn't put it in the pipeline (because he only got paid if I sold it, not if the HP Direct rep did) which meant HP had no fucking idea what was in the pipeline and could not forecast how many of what units to manufacture. Which lead to 5-6 week lead times on popular units, and a huge glut of unpopular units sitting in warehouses that they had to sell at huge discounts (since after 1-2 years, the machines are basically obsolete in the tech world).

That was just one of many STUPID decisions made during her tenure. Whether or not it was her or an underling who made those decisions, I don't know. But it shows a lack of "vision" and leadership -- you can either do direct sales or channel sales, but not both. For the reasons I just laid out.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 06:18 PM (AkOaV)

49 Wait...So while Fiorina was CEO of HP and despite acquire Compaq, the only company of the three whose stock HP outperformed was...Sun? And after she was departed, HP's stock started an upward growth that allowed it to outperform the other three companies within a year?

I do not think the chart is as supportive of Fiorina's record while running HP as people think it is.

Posted by: TKYC at September 19, 2015 06:19 PM (tG7TW)

50 Anyone remember Data General?

Bought by EMC I think.

How about Prime Computer?

Can't say I've run across their stuff.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 19, 2015 06:20 PM (YJmuy)

51 It's gonna be heb and hellary. Because 52%. What? Did you think there were enough right-thinking honest people in this country to change things? If elections had any real effect they would be illegal. From this point on, this whole process is a wake for America. We are at the plows into swords/pruning hooks into spears stage and we don't even see it's what we need to do.

Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2015 06:20 PM (go5uR)

52 Moron #2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=J_MSg8CyvEM

Posted by: DaveA at September 19, 2015 06:20 PM (DL2i+)

53 Maybe I read charts dumb, but that seems to indicate the company didn't do well under her tenure.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2015 06:20 PM (6J38E)

54 Penalties are keeping NIU from making this game closer.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 06:21 PM (vsbNu)

55 "Well, if Carly is an establishment shill Romney 2.0, she's a metric shit-ton better at expressing conservative principles..."

Her being a better liar doesn't do it for me either.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 19, 2015 06:21 PM (hVdx9)

56 Carly isn't my main choice yet either, but like Trump, she's doing things the other candidates won't do, including it seems my main man Cruz: calling out the Hildebeast and taking it to the media.

Which is why, like with Trump, she may not be a real conservative in the end, but we already know that about the GOP in general. So I'll keep listening for now.

Posted by: Blano at September 19, 2015 06:22 PM (heN73)

57
One of my favorite Soothsayerisms is: If it weren't for Reagan's '80's, tech boom in the Clinton '90's would never have happened.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:22 PM (TqzNj)

58 Yeah, but soothsayer, we can't afford to wait 6-8 years to see the results of a Reagan presidency.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 19, 2015 06:25 PM (XTfUM)

59 Nevermind, Sooth - found it. "Get Low" is what I was looking for.

Posted by: Chi at September 19, 2015 06:11 PM (aYrkW)

Ahem....you got nothing better to do in Texas on a Saturday night????????

Posted by: Blano at September 19, 2015 06:25 PM (heN73)

60
"So, no, Carly Fiorina was not the greatest CEO in corporate history. But she certainly wasn't the worst, either," wrote Fox.

One must defer to the considered judgement of the HP Board of Directors who were fall closer to the issue that any outside observer.

They kicked her to the curb, therefor - sucked she did.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 19, 2015 06:25 PM (kdS6q)

61 IBM now sells Chinese crap -- under the awful name Lenovo.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:18 PM (TqzNj)

No, while HP was trying to be more like IBM, IBM made the decision to spin off their desktop + notebook division. So they sold it completely to Lenovo, who re-branded everything to them. So IBM no longer has anything to do with desktop / notebooks.

They now focus on software and consulting.

Maybe 2 years ago or so they also sold off their server division to Lenovo. They have been divesting from hardware all together. Which I think will probably end up being seen as a really dumb decision, but I get their idea at least.

While IBM was in the process of doing that though, HP bought up another "IBM clone" company -- Compaq. Which had nothing to offer HP except consumer grade hardware (which HP already had) and a pretty decent distribution network (which HP already had) and retail stores (which HP promptly shut down when they fired Carly).

So they really didn't get much out of the Compaq acquisition other than the name. Which they also dropped pretty quickly.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 06:27 PM (AkOaV)

62 Must be pretty quiet in the Horseshoe this evening lol.

Posted by: Blano at September 19, 2015 06:27 PM (heN73)

63 Don't kid yourselves, kiddies - the second that horse-faced lady gets nomination, DNC, 50 different PACs, CNN, MSNBC, every local news channel, every Internet website even slightly tilted to the left, begin to run endless and bottomless interviews with former HP employees, laid off and disgruntled, grunts and managers, families of laid off workers who committed suicides and so on.

There are hundreds of thousands of potentials.

Posted by: Aristotle at September 19, 2015 06:27 PM (FuB0M)

64 It's refreshing to see students at the game just enjoying the action on the field, and not fiddling with their smartphones.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 06:28 PM (vsbNu)

65 So they really didn't get much out of the Compaq acquisition other than the name. Which they also dropped pretty quickly.

Which considering what a shitty product Compaq is you can't blame them.

Posted by: buzzion at September 19, 2015 06:28 PM (zt+N6)

66 Meh. I'm still bitter about the whole Alphacide -> Compaq -> HP -> Bangalore thing and, although she's not solely reponsible (Palmer *spit!*, Curly *spit!*, and Carly *spit!*), the others aren't asking for my vote.

Posted by: Anachronda at September 19, 2015 06:28 PM (o78gS)

67 "...pruning hooks into spears stage and we don't even see it's what we need to do...."

We have record gun and ammunition sales. The long term storage food is on sale because the biblical people can't store no more.

Some (whatever) says it starts next week. 23rd.

Posted by: not going to fly at September 19, 2015 06:29 PM (PGh+Q)

68 "From a shareholder perspective, laying off a lot of people was a good
decision. Replacing some of them with H1B visa holders was also a good
decision. Unfortunately, from a political view those will not be popular
decisions."

They certainly were not popular.

Babs Boxer running against Fiascorina: DOWNSIZING LAYOFFS OUTSOURCING OFFSHORING DOWNSIZING LAYOFFS OUTSOURCING OFFSHORING.

Fiascorina responds: But but but... I can explain! It's complicated!

Election Day final totals: Boxer by ten lengths.

The playbook the Democrats ran in 2012 against the Mittbot 3000 was just a dusted-off version of the one that Boxer ran against Fiascorina.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 19, 2015 06:29 PM (noWW6)

69 If we're to define Carly by failed propositions shall we not define The Donald by the same?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 06:29 PM (9ORmX)

70
Also, that LI article -- a couple of sentences wrapped around two massive block quotes, was written by "Kemberlee Kaye", which I'm pretty sure was the name of the stripper at that bachelor party last week.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 19, 2015 06:29 PM (kdS6q)

71
They now focus on software and consulting.

...and marketing themselves in expensive tv ads.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:30 PM (TqzNj)

72 I say this:

Obama is not only going to give away the planet he's going to give away the universe. http://preview.tinyurl.com/nwk3k25

415days, 16hours, 27 minutes

Posted by: Ralph at September 19, 2015 06:30 PM (Bk0n1)

73 @42 --Dennis Farina?

Mimi. Joan Baez's kid sister.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 19, 2015 06:30 PM (xq1UY)

74 Posted by: Chi at September 19, 2015 06:11 PM (aYrkW)

Ahem....you got nothing better to do in Texas on a Saturday night????????
Posted by: Blano
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It's still Saturday morning. Just woke up a couple hours ago...
Bloody Mary's are still on my menu

Posted by: Chi at September 19, 2015 06:31 PM (aYrkW)

75 Maybe 2 years ago or so they also sold off their server division to
Lenovo. They have been divesting from hardware all together. Which I
think will probably end up being seen as a really dumb decision, but I
get their idea at least.

Point of clarification, IBM sold off their x86 server business.

IBM is still selling POWERPC based AIX/Linux boxes and their mainframe line, as well as their XIV storage systems.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 19, 2015 06:31 PM (YJmuy)

76 Fiorina is a fraud. Supported by RINOs. H1B abuse defender. Went squish in CA in an attempt to win. Now she's a fire breathing Conservative? Riiiiight.
RD nailed it. We don't want her to be the nominee.
Use her to attack the Dems tho, yes.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 19, 2015 06:31 PM (hVdx9)

77
Well there is no more Compaq. But Compaq made a nice pc, at one time. Then came the merger...

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:31 PM (TqzNj)

78 M now sells Chinese crap -- under the awful name Lenovo.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:18 PM (TqzNj)

*****

Lenovo bought the PC business from IBM quite some time ago and is a totally separate company. IBM is not in the PC business any more.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at September 19, 2015 06:32 PM (1eYr7)

79 "While IBM was in the process of doing that though, HP bought up another 'IBM clone' company -- Compaq. Which had nothing to offer HP"

The one thing it did let HP do was to briefly boast the title of "world's largest computer company" by unit sales volume. They used blurb lines of that sort in their marcomm materials.

What it really came down to was shoving a ton of ultra low margin products out into the channel. Well, yeah, a lot of stuff got sold. But it sure didn't make as much money as had been hoped for.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 19, 2015 06:32 PM (noWW6)

80
IBM's laptops, the Thinkpads, were top of the line.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:33 PM (TqzNj)

81 69 If we're to define Carly by failed propositions shall we not define The Donald by the same?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 06:29 PM (9ORmX)

Well, fine. But from a purely political perspective, Trump has a wildly successful track record with hundreds of successful ventures and 4 or 5 that failed. That's pretty defensible.

Romney -- same story. Wildly successful, a few things that went sideways, but hey -- it happens. That's life, you take risks sometimes you fail.

Carly has no real record of the success side though as far as I know. HP ... at the very least had a "eh" outcome. Lucent -- I don't really have a lot of knowledge on how that went, but uh -- also seems very controversial.

So what can she point to and say "see, I can do great things!!"?

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 06:33 PM (AkOaV)

82 Looking at the chart (again) at Feb 01, I don't remember why Sun had such a peak, or sharp decline after, but all four companies are in a jumble. I conclude that there was a struggle to find a marketing niche, and conclude that the tech industry in general was going through a 'shake out'. I remember the dire forecasts for HP. (I have a Compaq branded HP desktop from that time frame that I am using now.)

I don't remember the exact dates of the tech bubble collapse. But Sep 02 the chart lines begin to differentiate. (and I had confused dell/sun lines. Though I think my previous comments are still valid.)

If someone wants to make the case that HP got better after Fiorina left, you should be able to point to decisions made at that time.

Mynewhandle's experience explains quite a lot. Thanks for that.

I do know the old industry brand names really had trouble coming to grips with the desktop explosion.

Posted by: Karl Bogendegia at September 19, 2015 06:33 PM (OUtMw)

83 "t's still Saturday morning. Just woke up a couple hours ago...
Bloody Mary's are still on my menu"

That's it.. Build your strength and stay hydrated.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 06:33 PM (9ORmX)

84
I dont want to go to jail with you morons. You'll all be dropping the soap any chance you get.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 19, 2015 06:33 PM (iQIUe)

85 IBM's laptops, the Thinkpads, were top of the line.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:33 PM (TqzNj)

They were. and Lenovo didn't destroy that brand, they just didn't... innovate as well as HP.

Funny thing is though, Lenovo is now the #1 desktop/notebook seller in the world. They surpassed HP a few years ago. Why? Because many HP resellers jumped ship (for reasons I explained above) to Lenovo during the whole channel / direct fiasco.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 06:34 PM (AkOaV)

86
Am I the only one seeing an ad for asiandate.com?

Why am I seeing this? I made no mention to my computer that I desired a date with an asian.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:34 PM (TqzNj)

87 Looks like Ohio State will dodge this bullet.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 06:35 PM (vsbNu)

88 Posted by: Karl Bogendegia at September 19, 2015 06:33 PM (OUtMw)

Sun had a niche server market.

Didn't work out for them.

But they weren't really competing directly with IBM, HP, and Dell. At least on the consumer side.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 06:35 PM (AkOaV)

89 So I see the Pope was nice and cozy with Castro today..... Stands in solidarity with Cuba......... Being a Christian Woman, I can't say what I would really like to say about this Pope......

Posted by: donna at September 19, 2015 06:35 PM (hUdMz)

90 Trump is known to be an (...) by everyone that watched his shows for ten years. All that is old new on him. All the people he fired deserved it (you say it on TV how could it not be true?). It's as old as the wife of Monica Lewinsky ex-boyfriend. Who is running for President by the way.

Posted by: not going to fly at September 19, 2015 06:35 PM (PGh+Q)

91 Whether one calls Carly success or failure it matters not; She is a RINO.

Posted by: Ralph at September 19, 2015 06:35 PM (Bk0n1)

92
Funny thing is though, Lenovo is now the #1 desktop/notebook seller in the world.

What a shame. A Chinese company. Which means it's a Chinese govt company, right?

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:36 PM (TqzNj)

93 Or maybe not. Possible fumble by OSU.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 06:36 PM (vsbNu)

94 Am I the only one seeing an ad for asiandate.com?

Why am I seeing this? I made no mention to my computer that I desired a date with an asian.

Perhaps there is an asian seeking a sayer of sooth?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 19, 2015 06:36 PM (YJmuy)

95 Lucent was a spin off from the telephone company, run by telephone company people trying to cash in on the internet craze.

Everybody went crazy laying pipe to meet the demand for capacity. Internet gear went through two or three rapid development cycles and old and slow telephone people couldn't keep up.

Level Three came in somewhere around there, and Global Crossing was hot, and then not.

Posted by: Karl Bogendegia at September 19, 2015 06:36 PM (OUtMw)

96 Backfire: Carly Fiorina's High-Stakes Battle for the Soul of Hewlett-Packard

https://books.google.com/books?id=zNyCrIjN5VgC&lpg=PP1&dq=lucent&pg=PA115#v=onepage&q=lucent

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 19, 2015 06:37 PM (sJuWI)

97 "So what can she point to and say "see, I can do great things!!"? "

Hillary, Rubio, Graham, Kasich, Santorum.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 06:37 PM (9ORmX)

98 Point of clarification, IBM sold off their x86 server business.

IBM is still selling POWERPC based AIX/Linux boxes and their mainframe line, as well as their XIV storage systems.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 19, 2015 06:31 PM (YJmuy)

Oh, could be.

They sold the server lines *I* was selling to Lenovo, which sucked because IBM spiffed better.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 06:37 PM (AkOaV)

99
Kemberlee Kaye

Her international knowledge and experience led her to a career in immigration. She works in immigration law and has extensive experience with student visas and the employment-based green-card process.

Oh, all right then -- Carly it is....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 19, 2015 06:38 PM (kdS6q)

100 NIU ball!

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 06:38 PM (vsbNu)

101 Oh, Perry...

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 06:38 PM (9ORmX)

102

the alleged shooter says the gun has been in a pawn shop for the last two months

that should be easy enough to prove or disprove

pawn shop employees?

Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 06:38 PM (zOTsN)

103 What a shame. A Chinese company. Which means it's a Chinese govt company, right?
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:36 PM (TqzNj)

I don't know how their corporate structure works.

Lenovo is an easier company to deal with (in the US at least) than HP.

So is Acer, for that matter. Although their product sucks balls. They just sell their consumer shit in to the channel, and it's very ... unreliable in quality.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 06:39 PM (AkOaV)

104 I don't care where it's made as long as it works well and has no bugs.
And, of course, cheap.

Posted by: Ralph at September 19, 2015 06:39 PM (Bk0n1)

105 If we're to define Carly by failed propositions shall we not define The Donald by the same?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 06:29 PM (9ORmX)

Well, you could, but they aren't at the same level in the business food chain. Carly was a hired CEO, an employee. High level employee, but employee nonetheless. Trump is an entrepreneur, and I believe the sole proprietor of at least some of his enterprises. He hires and fires people of Carly's ilk. And it's not at all unusual for risk takers like Trump to have some failed ventures. Kind of hard to even be a risk taker if failure is not an option. They call it "venture capital" for a reason. So I don't think it's particularly damning for Trump to have 4 bankrupt ventures on his resume. And even those ventures provided employment income for their employees as long as they lasted.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2015 06:39 PM (7MWCL)

106 So I see there's been another Hillary document dump...

Posted by: donna at September 19, 2015 06:39 PM (hUdMz)

107
Am I the only one seeing an ad for asiandate.com? Why am I seeing this?
Posted by: Soothsayer

You Number One GI Joe Cowboy?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 19, 2015 06:40 PM (kdS6q)

108
Is Acer and Asus both low-tier junk?
Or is Asus slighlty better?

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:40 PM (TqzNj)

109 Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 06:38 PM (zOTsN)

ThunderB, I DID read last night that the way they traced it back to him was that the gun showed up in a pawn shop and someone decided to check the ballistics against the bullets from the shootings on I-10. Which sounded strange to me at the time.

So maybe he's telling the truth, I don't know.

That would be verrrryyy fucked up though if he was totally innocent.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 06:40 PM (AkOaV)

110 "You can still run the ball" says the announcer at the game. Yeah, unless you're Ohio State who seems to think having Elliot running between the tackles just won't work so don't try. Must be GOPe play callers.

Posted by: buzzion at September 19, 2015 06:40 PM (zt+N6)

111 > Election Day final totals: Boxer by ten lengths.

This is not true. If you look at the California (Feinstein/Boxer) Senate results since at least 2000, the Democrat portion of the vote rises considerably every race, and the Republican total drops. Only one year bucked that trend: Fiorina's. Whichever side of the graph you look at, she raised the Republican vote total by a lot.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 19, 2015 06:40 PM (XTfUM)

112 Oh, could be.

They sold the server lines *I* was selling to Lenovo, which sucked because IBM spiffed better.

Be glad you weren't a SUN reseller as well.

After buying SUN Larry Ellison apparently looked at how HP was trying to undercut their VARs and thought, "Great idea!"

Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 19, 2015 06:40 PM (YJmuy)

113 Why am I seeing this? I made no mention to my computer that I desired a date with an asian.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:34 PM (TqzNj)

me wuv you rong time!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2015 06:41 PM (7MWCL)

114 I must be drunk. Everyone of my posts has one or more typos. Sorry. I'll quit for the night.

Posted by: not going to fly at September 19, 2015 06:41 PM (PGh+Q)

115 Am I the only one seeing an ad for asiandate.com?

Why am I seeing this? I made no mention to my computer that I desired a date with an asian.

#loveyoulongtime

Posted by: Insomniac at September 19, 2015 06:41 PM (FGIR8)

116 "that should be easy enough to prove or disprove "

Should be easy. Ballistics test says yeah or nay.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 06:41 PM (9ORmX)

117 NIU may regret punting there.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 06:41 PM (vsbNu)

118
NIU punted??

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:41 PM (TqzNj)

119 108
Is Acer and Asus both low-tier junk?
Or is Asus slighlty better?

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:40 PM (TqzNj)

Asus is not Low-tier. At least not component-wise.

Posted by: buzzion at September 19, 2015 06:41 PM (zt+N6)

120
NIU had a CHANCE to upset.
And they punted..

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:42 PM (TqzNj)

121 "I dont want to go to jail with you morons. You'll all be dropping the soap any chance you get.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! "

It's like you don't even know us...

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 19, 2015 06:42 PM (hVdx9)

122 Is Acer and Asus both low-tier junk?
Or is Asus slighlty better?
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:40 PM (TqzNj)

I don't know. They're both consumer grade hardware who try to play with "the big boys" with, uh, mixed results.

I will say that on a personal level, I've had great luck with Asus components (my motherboard on the computer I'm using now is an Asus, for example) and routers and such

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 06:42 PM (AkOaV)

123
Well, darn!!!

Something on this page caused a bunch of reloads on the old TouchPad and won't allow 'pulling' the margins out to allow these failng eyes to read.

Darn!!!

Posted by: Spun and Murky at September 19, 2015 06:42 PM (4DCSq)

124 "Am I the only one seeing an ad for asiandate.com? "

Got one for underwear right now. Lots of colors and choices, though.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 06:42 PM (9ORmX)

125
Where did Asus come from, anyway? I never heard of it until a few years ago.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:43 PM (TqzNj)

126 The Pope will be in the U.S. through the next week. People who are really stressed about this probably either need to turn off all sources of media, have several martinis nightly and/or find some others way to deal with their stress because the media reportage on it will be biased and incomplete, and dwelling too much on it may cause your BP to go up. We all want you to be healthy. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2015 06:43 PM (1+XCd)

127 Am I the only one seeing an ad for asiandate.com?

adblocker FTW

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 06:43 PM (R4FFC)

128 3 and out for Ohio State.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 06:44 PM (vsbNu)

129 Some booing in the Horseshoe.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 06:44 PM (vsbNu)

130 126 The Pope will be in the U.S. through the next week. People who are really stressed about this probably either need to turn off all sources of media, have several martinis nightly and/or find some others way to deal with their stress because the media reportage on it will be biased and incomplete, and dwelling too much on it may cause your BP to go up. We all want you to be healthy. :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2015 06:43 PM

THank You.

I'll take Your advice... Funny How the Libs finally found "Religion" with this pope...

Posted by: donna at September 19, 2015 06:44 PM (hUdMz)

131 " And it's not at all unusual for risk takers like Trump to have some failed ventures. "

Well, if "failed" ventures are a reason for cracking on Carly why aren't they on Trump? And, if "failed" is subjective we need to start sorting things out.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 06:44 PM (9ORmX)

132 Asus has been around for a while I think

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 06:45 PM (R4FFC)

133 125
Where did Asus come from, anyway? I never heard of it until a few years ago.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:43 PM (TqzNj)

It was founded in Taiwan in 1989.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 19, 2015 06:45 PM (FGIR8)

134 Where did Asus come from, anyway? I never heard of it until a few years ago.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:43 PM (TqzNj)

Taiwan, IIRC.

But they've been making components for a LONG time. They're seen as mid to high tier in that market.

They've only recently ventured in to tablets / laptops (I don't know if they make a desktop, wouldn't surprise me. The only one we sold was the Asus Chromebox, which worked fine.).

According to my buddy at Asus, they have big plans to move in to the business-grade stuff. We shall see.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 06:45 PM (AkOaV)

135 Well, if "failed" ventures are a reason for cracking on Carly why aren't they on Trump? And, if "failed" is subjective we need to start sorting things out.

Agreed. I'd say Carly is as "conservative" as Trump...

Posted by: donna at September 19, 2015 06:46 PM (hUdMz)

136 "Am I the only one seeing an ad for asiandate.com?

adblocker FTW

Posted by: chemjeff-husker"

Let's not be so hasty...

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 19, 2015 06:46 PM (hVdx9)

137
125
Where did Asus come from, anyway? I never heard of it until a few years ago.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:43 PM (TqzNj)

I have quite a few pieces of Asus branded hardware in my computers. Some going back to 2007. Apparently they are a Taiwan company.

Posted by: buzzion at September 19, 2015 06:46 PM (zt+N6)

138 no ballistics have been linked to that gun

not doubt it was that gun

but he says the gun has been in the pawn shop fpr two months and he has not had access to that gun during the time of the shootings

he did post news reports about the shootings on his Facebook page

and he did seem deeply paraniod about Jade Helm

Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 06:46 PM (zOTsN)

139 Dump the transformation; It's time for a reformation.

Posted by: Ralph at September 19, 2015 06:46 PM (Bk0n1)

140 "Where did Asus come from, anyway? I never heard of it until a few years ago."

Was once told that there are exactly three factories in the world that build laptops. Two in China and one in Taiwan. All come from one of the three regardless of brand.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 06:47 PM (9ORmX)

141 Joe Montana Hare is not.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 06:47 PM (vsbNu)

142 Georgia Tech being abused by Notre Dame

Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 06:48 PM (zOTsN)

143 And to put things into perspective a bit, there's a very good post (# 280 at the end in the PP body parts/covering up rapes thread)by a RC who's a lurker here, about what the the Popes visit is for.-for those that didn't know. It explains why Obama is packing the Pope dinner with "non traditional" folks.

Consider asking Saint John Paul II to intercede for your church and the Pope if you have not already done so.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2015 06:49 PM (1+XCd)

144
Reminds me of how I/we are told that all gasoline is the same; all comes from the same places.

It's probably true.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:49 PM (TqzNj)

145
Fiorina --. Whichever side of the graph you look at, she raised the Republican vote total by a lot.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair

Nope, flat average -- and that's being charitable. The GOP poured scads of resources into her losing race, because "Year of the Republican Woman":

Democratic Senator Alan Cranston retired in 1992, creating an open contest, which Boxer won defeating Bruce Herschensohn by 4.9%. In 1998, she won a second term, beating sitting California State Treasurer Matt Fong by 10.1% of the vote. In the 2004 election, Boxer defeated GOP candidate Bill Jones by a margin of 20 percentage points. In 2010, Boxer defeated GOP candidate Carly Fiorina by a margin of 10 percentage points.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Boxer#Elections

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 19, 2015 06:49 PM (kdS6q)

146 Georgia Tech being abused by Notre Dame

So they really are Ramblin Wrecks...

Posted by: donna at September 19, 2015 06:49 PM (hUdMz)

147 Ohio State finally dodges that bullet.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 06:50 PM (vsbNu)

148 135 Well, if "failed" ventures are a reason for cracking on Carly why aren't they on Trump? And, if "failed" is subjective we need to start sorting things out.

Agreed. I'd say Carly is as "conservative" as Trump...

Posted by: donna at September 19, 2015 06:46 PM (hUdMz)

I'd say Trump has the better message on immigration. Whether you believe them or not or whether they would actually accomplish anything.

"I want to build a wall and remove those that are here illegally" sounds a lot better than, "Its the democrats that don't want to solve the immigration issue"

Posted by: buzzion at September 19, 2015 06:50 PM (zt+N6)

149
Or mostly true, as Politifact would say.

Like Mobil will sell their gas from their refineries to the little chains. And Sunoco will do the same.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:50 PM (TqzNj)

150
oh, btw, gas is down to $1.94 today here in MA

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:50 PM (TqzNj)

151 the alleged shooter says the gun has been in a pawn shop for the last two months

that should be easy enough to prove or disprove

pawn shop employees?

Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 06:38 PM

I keep thinking the guy looks a lot like Richard Jewell. I think the 24 or even a 72 hour rule applies. Phoenix Politicians NEED an arrest.

The bullets are reported to be a ballistic match to his gun. On the other hand, I have heard people claim a "ballistic match" because it was the same calibre in other cases.

I hope they got the right guy. I fear they do not, and the Powers That Be are willing to ruin him to get the case off the headlines.

Posted by: rd at September 19, 2015 06:51 PM (DWyvT)

152 don't care where it's made as long as it works well and has no bugs.
And, of course, cheap.

-
And the pron has a good frame rate.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 19, 2015 06:51 PM (Nwg0u)

153 I'd say Trump has the better message on immigration. Whether you believe them or not or whether they would actually accomplish anything.

I hope He keeps it up when the pope comes... We all know it's gonna be a constant barrage of "Those Poor immigrants." and those evil capitalists...

Posted by: donna at September 19, 2015 06:51 PM (hUdMz)

154
Pope JP II was vehemently anti-communist.

This pope is pro communist. CNN says Frances helped to broker obama's US-Cuba negotiations.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:52 PM (TqzNj)

155 well if Texas produced the most jobs inthe US get ready because the economy here is screeching to a halt. Lay off right and left. Contraction abounds. Not just oil and oil field services either. Anybody in the iron, steel or salvage metal business is hanging by a thread. Its China. Bankruptcys are starting up

Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 06:52 PM (zOTsN)

156 "I'd say Trump has the better message on immigration. "

Agree. He has the road here.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 06:53 PM (9ORmX)

157 Was once told that there are exactly three factories in the world that build laptops. Two in China and one in Taiwan. All come from one of the three regardless of brand.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 06:47 PM (9ORmX)

Of course just because they are built in the same factory doesn't mean they're all the same. Different quality components can be going into each laptop. Its not like RAM with a failure rate of 10% goes into a RAM slot differently than RAM with a failure rate of 1%.

Posted by: buzzion at September 19, 2015 06:53 PM (zt+N6)

158 Well, if "failed" ventures are a reason for cracking on Carly why aren't they on Trump? And, if "failed" is subjective we need to start sorting things out.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 06:44 PM (9ORmX)

Simple, really. Carly wasn't hired to fail. She was hired to run a going concern, and make it more profitable.

When a venture capitalist like Trump starts a new venture, the investors going into it know it is a gamble, but they are hoping that the rate of return, should it be successful, will offset the risk. And the kind of people who put big dollars into gambles of that nature are not going to be doing it with money they cannot afford to lose; they have other irons in the fire. When those Trump ventures failed, investors could monetize the losses by using them to offset capital gains realized on other investments they might have. Heck, I have been able to do the same thing myself in my (very) small-time investments in the oil patch. A couple have been spectacularly good for me, and others have gone down the toilet. But by selling off the dead dogs, I get a capital loss that can offset capital gains on the winners, saving me tax dollars.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2015 06:54 PM (7MWCL)

159 Still not qualified to be President.

Never held any elective office before and thereby earning the trust of the American people in some other history-making/brainiac way outside previous elective office.

Inother words shes not in any what whatsoever in the class of previous WH n00bs Ike, Grant or Hoover.

I will only vote for her if she is the nominee.

Posted by: MikeD at September 19, 2015 06:54 PM (uKJIC)

160 2000: Feinstein beat Tom Campbell, 56-37
2004: Boxer beat Bill Jones, 58-38
2006: Feinstein beat Richard Mountjoy, 59-35
2010: Boxer beat Carly Fiorina, 52-42
2012: Feinstein beat Elizabeth Emken, 63-38.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 19, 2015 06:54 PM (XTfUM)

161 "well if Texas produced the most jobs in the US get ready because the economy here is screeching to a halt. "

So it's ten dollar crude and another savings and loan crisis.

Great.

I keep thinking the next GOP president is going to take the fall for Obama's economics.

Posted by: Karl Bogendegia at September 19, 2015 06:55 PM (OUtMw)

162
I keep thinking the next GOP president is going to take the fall for Obama's economics.

Count on it!

The MSM

Posted by: donna at September 19, 2015 06:55 PM (hUdMz)

163 While the results of her tenure in terms of pure alpha-numerics is somewhat interesting, her abuse of HB1 is more of a problem. She and her executive office may have not broken the letter of the law as it is acknowledged in our grubby legal system, hiring HB1's to replace fired engineers violates the spirit.

Which ultimately means we won't hear a single discussion of it because no 'serious' candidate is willing to even broach the subject.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 19, 2015 06:55 PM (JmGFJ)

164
The late Buzzion is right.

Apple computers are built by Chinese adults, whereas Acer computers are built in the basement of the factory by Chinese children.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:56 PM (TqzNj)

165 how would they know to look at that gun in that pawn shop in order to test the ballistics

must have had a tip

Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 06:56 PM (zOTsN)

166 I'm not endorsing drinking. but on the other hand turning off media is always a good option.

You've heard about Cafeteria Catholics? Well the media is Cafeteria Non catholics. They pick and chose what they like and twist the rest. The Pope is here for a thing on the family. Despite whatever questionable things he says (and I understand why people are bothered) Francis is very much in support of traditional families and against abortion. So naturally Obama's dinner has to poke him in the eye about that, and the media won't report things he says which they disagree with. If people want some helpful reporting they might go to the Vatican news service during his visit (Zenit?) or perhaps some RC folks here have some reliable Catholic websites they go to. I'm not RC but I sometimes visit the National Catholic Register (NOT the National Catholic reporter) or EWTN and they probably have people covering the visit.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2015 06:56 PM (1+XCd)

167 Next President will need to fire some asses, and will need to be hated by the heads of all these agencies. I have some inclination to support her.

Posted by: Dave S. at September 19, 2015 06:56 PM (mhkbv)

168
2000: Feinstein beat Tom Campbell, 56-37
2004: Boxer beat Bill Jones, 58-38
2006: Feinstein beat Richard Mountjoy, 59-35
2010: Boxer beat Carly Fiorina, 52-42
2012: Feinstein beat Elizabeth Emken, 63-38.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair

Fiorina ran against Boxer, not Feinstein. Apples to Apples.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 19, 2015 06:56 PM (kdS6q)

169 Cheap gas is nice, I love it too, but, it's kicking the oilfield in the ass.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 06:57 PM (9ORmX)

170 Anyone remember Wang?

I love wang!

Posted by: Reggie at September 19, 2015 06:58 PM (oVJmc)

171 Oh, and another Thing missing from the chart above:

HOW DID APPLE DO IN THE SAME TIME PERIOD?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 19, 2015 06:58 PM (JmGFJ)

172 Reminds me of how I/we are told that all gasoline is the same; all comes from the same places.

It's probably true.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 06:49 PM (TqzNj)

Yeah, I don't know how true it is for laptops.

I know it's true for at least some components. A flood in Thailand IIRC basically shut down the RAM / Solid state market for a few months back in... '07 maybe? Turns out all of the factories who made SSDs were in the same office complex. Oy!

But I think Samsung makes their devices in S Korea, and that there are at least a handful of factories in China that make devices, and I think a scattering of others throughout Asia.

But I don't know a whole lot about the manufacturing side.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 06:58 PM (AkOaV)

173 What kind of asshole would write a letter to the President beseeching him to decree retribution for impure thoughts on the nature of the climate?

These fucksticks should be discredited and laughed out of their professions.

Posted by: Fritz at September 19, 2015 06:58 PM (3tjn4)

174 Carly wasn't hired to fail. Trump's ventures were known to be risky by everyone but the (goldman sachs) muppets.

Posted by: Carly isn't going to be President unless everyone else drops out at September 19, 2015 06:58 PM (PGh+Q)

175 "When a venture capitalist like Trump starts a new venture, the investors going into it know it is a gamble, but they are hoping that the rate of return, should it be successful"

All investments are gambles. I own stock. It's a shit-game where it goes. Invest in Trump or HP? Who the Hell knows?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 06:59 PM (9ORmX)

176 I keep thinking the next GOP president is going to take the fall for Obama's economics.

Count on it!

The MSM

-
There is a certain freedom to that. If they're going to hate you anyway, why not give them something to hate you about? I doubt any of the others see it that way, but Trump might.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 19, 2015 07:01 PM (Nwg0u)

177 _Wanted Rick Perry because he knows how to run a country.
Don't want Carly because she's a RINO.

Want Cruz because he was understudy to the all seeing eye.3

Posted by: Ralph at September 19, 2015 07:01 PM (Bk0n1)

178 if you are CEO of an oil field services companyy right now you can get fired for a millon things completely beyond your control

you have no control over the proce per barrel or what China does, but your stock can go down and mass layoffs need to happen and the whole world will point and say how you destroyed the company

times like these companies fail, or get bought or get bigger

Fiorina was in a similar position IMHO

Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 07:03 PM (zOTsN)

179 I do know that virtually all technology manufacturing shuts down for Chinese New Years though.

Every year we'd get a reminder that that was coming up and that custom unit lead times would be effected.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 07:03 PM (AkOaV)

180 "...should be discredited and laughed out of their professions..."
Their profession is government shill.
The get paid well for selling their souls.
See "That Hideous Strength".
https://books.google.com/books?id=IbVTcgOyCRoC

Posted by: Government Science at September 19, 2015 07:03 PM (PGh+Q)

181
Farina, yesterday on Hannity, said HP's budget is larger than each of the 50 states. That shocked me. I find it hard to believe.

Larger than California's??

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 07:03 PM (TqzNj)

182 And just so everyone understands I'm not cheerleading Carly over Trump. I'm just looking at consistency. We should be consistent and honest with ourselves. That's all.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 07:04 PM (9ORmX)

183 What kind of asshole would write a letter to the President beseeching him to decree retribution for impure thoughts on the nature of the climate?

-
The kind of assholes who would destroy somebody's business because of a theoretical wedding pizza. In other words, a typical Donk.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 19, 2015 07:04 PM (Nwg0u)

184 still dont trust her on amnesty tho

Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 07:04 PM (zOTsN)

185
I do know that virtually all technology manufacturing shuts down for Chinese New Years though. Every year we'd get a reminder that that was coming up and that custom unit lead times would be effected.
Posted by: mynewhandle

Those "Taiwan is closed for business because of chicken flu" mails are also fun.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 19, 2015 07:05 PM (kdS6q)

186 If we do get a R President, he/she needs to skip the Inaugural parties and get in front of a podium and delineate in detail the exact mess they were left with. Even discussing it could take days and days

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2015 07:06 PM (1+XCd)

187 >>>I keep thinking the next GOP president is going to take the fall for Obama's economics.

Count on it!

The MSM
<<<

Obama has said he is passing the mid-east debacle on. Hell, that's not half of it. This economy is a burning house of cards and this admin is throwing gas on it. They will keep throwing gas on it till the election.

Turning out the lights.

Posted by: Ralph at September 19, 2015 07:06 PM (Bk0n1)

188 "When a venture capitalist like Trump starts a new venture, the investors going into it know it is a gamble, but they are hoping that the rate of return, should it be successful"

All investments are gambles. I own stock. It's a shit-game where it goes. Invest in Trump or HP? Who the Hell knows?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 06:59 PM

You listen to your broker and get broker while he profits from every trade, whether you win or lose.

You can spend a lot of time doing your own research. Some people use Larry Cramer (sp?, the idiot on NBC) and do the opposite.

Just do not take my advice. I bought real estate in November 2006. I passed on Gold in 2000. I thought Amazon, E-bay, and Apple were oversold.

Posted by: rd at September 19, 2015 07:07 PM (DWyvT)

189 Anyone remember Wang?

I love wang!
Posted by: Reggie

Wang's my middle name. Also my last name.

- Carlos Danger

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 19, 2015 07:07 PM (Nwg0u)

190 Wang's my middle name. Also my last name.

- Carlos Danger

I thought his middle name was Herpes?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 19, 2015 07:09 PM (YJmuy)

191 "...Fiorina was in a similar position..."
I want a President that is lucky for everyone. Fiorina and Obama are lucky for themselves. Everyone around them seems to take a hit while they do fine for themselves. Fiorina talked a good story but didn't deliver. Obama talked a good story but didn't deliver. Does she play golf and like to go on exotic vacations?

Posted by: Lucky Charms at September 19, 2015 07:09 PM (PGh+Q)

192 Farina, yesterday on Hannity, said HP's budget is larger than each of the 50 states. That shocked me. I find it hard to believe.

Larger than California's??
Posted by: Soothsayer

Either you misheard her, or she's blowing smoke.

HPQ
Operating cash flow: 6.58 Billion

CA State spending 2015 estimate: 196 Billion

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 19, 2015 07:09 PM (JmGFJ)

193
And just so everyone understands I'm not cheerleading Carly over Trump. I'm just looking at consistency. We should be consistent and honest with ourselves. That's all.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill

Part of that is Fiorina was at a handful of public companies, so it's pretty easy to trace her history and crunch the numbers. Interpretations may differ, but the raw data is there.

A lot of TrumpenWerk is in real estate partnerships with different disclosure rules and murky backgrounds. Harder for just plan folks to sus out.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 19, 2015 07:09 PM (kdS6q)

194 Anyone following the invasion if Europe by a crap load of moslems?

This won't end well.

Actions like this will collapse the welfare state because who will want to pay for all the foreigners to not work while they trash your city/country/culture/

Posted by: Jake at September 19, 2015 07:10 PM (ZtX/x)

195 "You listen to your broker "

Well, don't have a broker and I bought real estate in 2006 too.

Shit.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 07:11 PM (9ORmX)

196 I keep thinking the next GOP president is going to take the fall for Obama's economics.

There is no unemployment. There is no inflation, in fact there is deflation i.e. prices are falling. Good times!

Posted by: Kudlow Kapers at September 19, 2015 07:12 PM (W5DcG)

197 "CA State spending 2015 estimate: 196 Billion "

The U.S. Defense budget is $500B or so.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 07:14 PM (9ORmX)

198
Here's what I heard Farina say yesterday on Hannity:

"HP's budget is larger than any one of the 50 states in the United States of America. So I led an enterprise that is larger than any state. And in an enterprise that big, this is global as well, you can't possibly ensure that nothing ever ever goes wrong. The issue is, when you find out something's wrong, what do you do about it? In this case, the case of Iran, three years after I left, HP discovered that a company that we were doing business with, elsewhere in the Middle East, was doing business with another company, that was doing business in Iran, and as soon as they found that out, they cut off business ties with this original company in the Middle East. The SEC did a thorough investigation and concluded that no one in management, myself included, knew anything about it."

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 07:14 PM (TqzNj)

199 Finally, Phoenix freeway shooter suspect arrested. " 21-year-old Leslie Allen Merritt, Jr. was arrested Friday evening."
------------------

'Leslie'?
Well, there's yer problem right there.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 19, 2015 07:15 PM (9mTYi)

200
HPQ
Operating cash flow: 6.58 Billion

Yeah, but maybe she was referring to everything, as in total revenue?

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 07:16 PM (TqzNj)

201 What Carly did was replace expensive labor with cheap labor.

****

What I've never heard a critic ask is how many jobs were saved with that action.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 19, 2015 07:16 PM (PMlgt)

202 "...Anyone following the invasion if Europe by a crap load of moslems?...
Maybe they can implement the advice they gave to Israel all these years. Or they could build a fence and guard their boarders like Israel did.

Posted by: Chikens-home-roost at September 19, 2015 07:16 PM (PGh+Q)

203 rd at September 19, 2015 07:07 PM (DWyvT)

I feel your pain.

I was self managing my 401(k), and got out of tech to buy a house. Paid too much for a building built by amateurs using shoddy construction techniques, and failed to budget for repairs.

Now I'm living in a wreck falling to ruin, can't get insurance, and the bank is going to foreclose because I'm in violation of the terms of the mortgage. The house can't be sold in the condition it's in now, and I'm on social security and poor health.

So the bank is going to steal my home from me, and charge me for doing so.

"Is that what's bothering you bunky?" by the old philosopher, is on youtube.

Posted by: Karl Bogendegia at September 19, 2015 07:16 PM (OUtMw)

204 or rather...

HPQ

Revenue: 106 billion

Still not even close to a viable statement.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 19, 2015 07:16 PM (JmGFJ)

205 If we do get a R President, he/she needs to skip the Inaugural parties and get in front of a podium and delineate in detail the exact mess they were left with. Even discussing it could take days and days

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2015 07:06 PM

The Inauguration Balls and Parties are the pay-off for the campaign workers and donors. They get to party and network for the next election cycle, their less involved wives or husbands get to dress-up and dance and meet the pretty people. Candidated cannot give them up. It is political Nerd-Prom.

I could see the next President starting with a Problem of the Week speech. Hopefully followed by mass resignations, perp walks, and new legislation to abolish or fix the agency. Repeat for the next 6-8 months.

Where? IRS, VA, EPA, DHS, DOJ, OSHA, Education, Energy, Commerce, State, DOD, Treasury, Federal Reserve, and any I missed.

Posted by: rd at September 19, 2015 07:17 PM (DWyvT)

206 'Leslie'?
Well, there's yer problem right there.

*****

Don't I know it

http://bit.ly/1OmrJpl

Posted by: Sue at September 19, 2015 07:17 PM (PMlgt)

207 Oracle. Remember me?

Posted by: Larry Ellison at September 19, 2015 07:18 PM (KyTfP)

208 Anyone remember Wang?
--------------------

DEC?

Anyone?

Data General?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 19, 2015 07:18 PM (9mTYi)

209 'Leslie'?
Well, there's yer problem right there.

*****

Don't I know it

http://bit.ly/1OmrJpl
Posted by: Sue
-----------------

The other day, I mentioned that I have encountered a guy named 'Vivian'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 19, 2015 07:19 PM (9mTYi)

210 John Kasich gets desperate, begins bribing people with AoSHQ diet:
http://bit.ly/1KnLB7K

Posted by: Rusty Nail at September 19, 2015 07:19 PM (S2VsH)

211 Harris (heh, 24 Bit wide.) Met up with one at Shell.

Posted by: Larry Ellison at September 19, 2015 07:19 PM (KyTfP)

212
DEC?

Anyone?

Data General?

You and I are a lot alike. We both don't read anything here.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 07:20 PM (TqzNj)

213 The other day, I mentioned that I have encountered a guy named 'Vivian'.

***

He wins.

Posted by: Sue at September 19, 2015 07:20 PM (PMlgt)

214 I forget. What's the Trump's apologists reasoning for Trump's Kelo grab?

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 19, 2015 07:20 PM (6qmBU)

215 Plus she looks fetching in daisy duke checkered top, and her low cut jeans in Iowa.

Posted by: redenzo at September 19, 2015 07:20 PM (WCnJW)

216 Karl, sorry to hear. What part of the world?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 07:21 PM (9ORmX)

217 You and I are a lot alike. We both don't read anything here.
Posted by: Soothsayer
------------

Hmm. I get the feeling that they may have been mentioned upstream.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 19, 2015 07:21 PM (9mTYi)

218 >>>Anyone remember Wang?
--------------------
DEC?
Anyone?
Data General?<<<

I have tried to forget.

Posted by: Fritz at September 19, 2015 07:22 PM (3tjn4)

219
...and that's when the fight started

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 07:22 PM (TqzNj)

220 Perkin-Elmer
Yeah, no, I'm serious.
Used them in my first job.
(almost five digit salary!)

Posted by: Larry Ellison at September 19, 2015 07:22 PM (KyTfP)

221
RCA?

Long gone.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 19, 2015 07:23 PM (9mTYi)

222 "The other day, I mentioned that I have encountered a guy named 'Vivian'. "

Wut?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 07:23 PM (9ORmX)

223 Does anyone remember laughter?

Posted by: Bob Eggplant at September 19, 2015 07:23 PM (W5DcG)

224 38

Anyone remember Data General?

I was once involved with a couple of Eclipses; a C/300 and an S/250. Decent machines; wish I could have spent more time with them.

Also once set eyes on a little 3rd-party machine build around a microNOVA. Didn't get to use it, though.

Posted by: Anachronda at September 19, 2015 07:23 PM (o78gS)

225
I think the brand name RCA still lives on.

Wait.

Didn't the Colts play in the RCA dome not too long ago?

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 07:24 PM (TqzNj)

226
Remember ZENITH? Stock symbol ZE.

Remember Magnavox? Bought by Philips.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 07:25 PM (TqzNj)

227 And just so everyone understands I'm not cheerleading Carly over Trump. I'm just looking at consistency. We should be consistent and honest with ourselves. That's all.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 07:04 PM (9ORmX)

Likewise, I'm not really cheerleading for Trump. It's simply that you cannot directly compare apples and oranges.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2015 07:25 PM (7MWCL)

228 "The other day, I mentioned that I have encountered a guy named 'Vivian'."

This guy?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/od5vuek

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 19, 2015 07:25 PM (hVdx9)

229 Also once set eyes on a little 3rd-party machine build around a microNOVA. Didn't get to use it, though.

Posted by: Anachronda
-------------
Here, console yourself.

*hands Anachronda a Franklin*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 19, 2015 07:25 PM (9mTYi)

230 Does anyone remember laughter?

-
Is now verboten. Often simultaneous with bad mindthoughts.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 19, 2015 07:25 PM (Nwg0u)

231

Remember Buzzion?

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 07:26 PM (TqzNj)

232 Candidated cannot give them up. It is political Nerd-Prom.

Well, they can enjoy the parties and the President could always make a general announcement thanking everyone. As much as people don't like FDR I thing he scaled things down because of the Depression.

Ands yes, a speech a week on different topics would be good.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2015 07:26 PM (1+XCd)

233 I think the brand name RCA still lives on.
Posted by: Soothsayer

GE bought it in 85 and terminated the brand.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 19, 2015 07:26 PM (JmGFJ)

234 Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 07:21 PM

I gotta go in and try to renegotiate the terms. I can make payments, and they don't want the house (I hope). If they will let me drop insurance coverage, I can pay the balance off in five years, assuming the roof doesn't cave in from heavy snow in that time.

I'm in the let it burn camp. Just don't want to end up living in a broken down pick up out in the desert south of Phoenix (again.).

Posted by: Karl Bogendegia at September 19, 2015 07:26 PM (OUtMw)

235 "What I've never heard a critic ask is how many jobs were saved with that action."
Depends on your time frame. Most of manufacturing has to move to the Americas if US is going to buy things. Asia is either going to war or get massively unstable or both. Is the secret plan to import and train laborers from south of the US border? If so then the welfare state will take a hit.
I will tell you that most people I know hate the company they work for and will change jobs if the economy goes to expanding again. Just because it took an SOB to save the company doesn't make them less of an SOB. Things could have been done differently if the people in charge hadn't been LBJ like in nature, If Carly was just doing her job then her job shouldn't be one that requires a Leader. Carly isn't a leader she is a manager. Like most of these people including Romney. W was a feckless leader in my opinion but could have been a good one except for his family obligations. NWO and whatnot.

Posted by: Chikens-home-roost at September 19, 2015 07:26 PM (PGh+Q)

236 "Does anyone remember laughter?"

Fuck you!
(ok, I really didn't mean that)

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 19, 2015 07:26 PM (hVdx9)

237
Well someone's making RCA junk...

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 07:27 PM (TqzNj)

238 223 Does anyone remember laughter?

That's what you do maniacally and high-pitched to cope with insanity due to the madness of the world, right?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2015 07:27 PM (6J38E)

239 RCA?

Long gone.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 19, 2015 07:23 PM (9mTYi)

I had a COSMOS.
Then a Fairchild F8.
No, I don't drive an Aztek, though I kinda like The Beatles...

Posted by: Larry Ellison at September 19, 2015 07:27 PM (KyTfP)

240 222
"The other day, I mentioned that I have encountered a guy named 'Vivian'. "

Wut?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQUOwXbbG_4

Posted by: Anachronda at September 19, 2015 07:27 PM (o78gS)

241 I'm in the let it burn camp. Just don't want to end up living in a broken down pick up out in the desert south of Phoenix (again.).

Posted by: Karl Bogendegia "
****

You'd have to live North of Phoenix now.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 19, 2015 07:28 PM (hVdx9)

242 "Remember Buzzion?"

Yeah. Wife was on the sauce. Kids were Hell. Poor bastard is better of gone.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 07:28 PM (9ORmX)

243 Anybody remember the Winchester drive?

Posted by: Fritz at September 19, 2015 07:28 PM (3tjn4)

244 Bought a TV 3 years ago with the initials RCA on the front.

Posted by: Ralph at September 19, 2015 07:29 PM (Bk0n1)

245 182 And just so everyone understands I'm not cheerleading Carly over Trump. I'm just looking at consistency. We should be consistent and honest with ourselves. That's all.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 07:04 PM (9ORmX)

Well, I think we are being consistent.

Trump is an entrepreneur who starts and buys businesses for a living. He has a very high success rate. He has had 4 companies go through bankruptcy out of 100 or so (IIRC, these numbers may be off). So about a 4% failure rate.

Carly is a professional CEO. She is brought in to run companies. In HPs case, it was to take a company that was not doing well and to make it do better. That's a very different role then the "money guy" (which Trump is.)

In other words, she answers to the board of directors, Trump IS the board of directors.

Now, I only really know about Carlys experience at HP. But she, as a CEO hired by the board to turn the company around, did not perform well in that task. Or at the very least, was not a stand out.

So she has, let's say, a 50% success rate (for arguments sake.)

Again, she and Trump do VERY different things in very different industries, so it's not an apples to apples comparison.

But I don't see any inconsistently in saying, "Trump, as the "money guy" has done very well in 90%+ of his endeavors, while Carly has a very mediocre track record in her endeavors."

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 07:29 PM (AkOaV)

246 Carly is a well spoken professional, a quick study, obviously extremely intelligent ....but I would not ever vote for her based her progressive stands of issues AND at last debate, she declared that she would Putin the SILENTLY Treatment if he got of line.....what??????

Posted by: Obama critique at September 19, 2015 07:29 PM (+YeYI)

247 229
*hands Anachronda a Franklin*

Funny you should mention that. Back in '83, the gummint folks here would get around the approval requirements for computing equipment by buying bare boards from Taiwan and the parts with which to stuff them. Apple clones such as the Franklin were quite popular.

My boss at the time had a nice Apple clone with a CP/M card and 8" floppies.

He had also wire-wrapped himself an Apple ][ from the schematics in the back of the manual.

Posted by: Anachronda at September 19, 2015 07:30 PM (o78gS)

248 This guy?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/od5vuek
Posted by: Tilikum Killer
--------------

Uh, no.

Actually, it gets worse. His full name was Vivian Francis Bulkely-Johnson. Almost sound like something Wodehouse would make up.

Old money though, so no problem.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 19, 2015 07:30 PM (9mTYi)

249 Yes, I recall laughter. I've posted this before. It's "Atheist Worship songs" People in Protestant/evangelical churches will know what the original songs were:

http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=WP777LNX

And my disclaimer once again. Some fine people are Atheists. People here too. This video still made me laugh though

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2015 07:30 PM (1+XCd)

250 Just like Ben Carson as a neurosurgeon. I'm sure he has had patients who died, and surgeries that were not successful in fixing whatever he set out to fix.

But that doesn't take away from his success in his industry. On the whole, he has a VERY impressive track record and is universally respected among his peers in his industry.

Does that make sense?

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 07:31 PM (AkOaV)

251 The thing with HP is the company was already stuck in the the same terminating market that the other PC/tech firms were in at the end of the 90's.

She's not a fault that they were becoming a tech 'commodity' company with a business wing still attached, it's that she thought the commodity side of business would become more successful than any tech part of the firm.

Obviously wrong now and still wrong when she forced them to buy Compaq. It was a complete mistaken in vision and understanding of what HP was as a firm.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 19, 2015 07:31 PM (JmGFJ)

252 My boss at the time had a nice Apple clone with a CP/M card and 8" floppies.
---------------

Was there a Hayes modem board in there?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 19, 2015 07:32 PM (9mTYi)

253 HUSKERS TIE THE GAME!

GOOO
BIG
RED

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 07:32 PM (R4FFC)

254 I forget. What's the Trump's apologists reasoning for Trump's Kelo grab?

Trump had nothing to do with Kelo.

Does Trump use Eminent Domain to acquire property?
Yes he does. So do all his competitors!

Should he not use Eminent Domain while his competitors use it?
No, Unless you want his projects to fail and someone else to do the same thing while using Eminent Domain.

Why don't you ask Trump if he thinks Eminent Domain and Kelo need to be reformed and applied to everyone everywhere?

And Trump is about #5 on my list of preferred candidates, but this argument is Pure BS!

Posted by: rd at September 19, 2015 07:32 PM (DWyvT)

255 Tied at 33 with 33 seconds to go

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 07:32 PM (R4FFC)

256
Farina is very articulate, I'll say that.

In order of most articulate to least articulate:

Fiorina
Rubio
Jindal
Huckabee
Kasich
Paul
Trump
Graham
Carson
Christie
Bush

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 07:32 PM (TqzNj)

257 "The other day, I mentioned that I have encountered a guy named 'Vivian'. "

Wut?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 07:23 PM (9ORmX)

Used to be not that uncommon in England, upon a time. I believe the Brits had a general by that name. Comes from Latin, I expect, perhaps via French? Vivian is the masculine form, Vivienne the feminine. Used to be "Marion" was a male name, too. John Wayne's original given name, IIRC.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2015 07:32 PM (7MWCL)

258 252
Was there a Hayes modem board in there?

No modem, no. Did have a serial port, though.

Posted by: Anachronda at September 19, 2015 07:33 PM (o78gS)

259 John Marion Wayne

Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 07:33 PM (zOTsN)

260 the "money guy"

I'm the money.

Posted by: Vesper Lynd at September 19, 2015 07:33 PM (9gpTh)

261 Pardon the errors on last post...hit post accidentally

....she declared that if Putin got out of line.....she would give him the SILENT TREATMENT.......

Posted by: Obama critique at September 19, 2015 07:34 PM (+YeYI)

262 Correct me if I am wrong (gun thread past 200), but
I thought the nickname came about because it had 30MB
on an upper section and 30MB on a lower section, and some waggy engineer said "Winchester 30 30". Plus more, Or am I Hallucinating (again)?

Posted by: Larry Ellison at September 19, 2015 07:34 PM (KyTfP)

263
Marion is a man's name..

Swamp Fox!, Swamp Fox!

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 07:34 PM (TqzNj)

264

John Wayne was born Myron Lieberschitz, no?

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 07:35 PM (TqzNj)

265 Leslie is a mans name too

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 19, 2015 07:36 PM (0O7c5)

266 so is ashley

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 19, 2015 07:36 PM (0O7c5)

267 John Wayne was born Myron Lieberschitz, no?

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 07:35 PM (TqzNj)
no

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 19, 2015 07:36 PM (0O7c5)

268 marion morrison

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 19, 2015 07:37 PM (0O7c5)

269 Yo.

Posted by: Marion Berry at September 19, 2015 07:37 PM (KyTfP)

270 holy cow this is actually a good game
go to ABC right now

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 07:37 PM (R4FFC)

271 By the time the media get done with Carly's HP story, she's going to come off like Ebenezer Scrooge poisoning Oliver Twist's soup.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 19, 2015 07:38 PM (4ErVI)

272 My favrit flav.

Posted by: Marion Berry at September 19, 2015 07:38 PM (KyTfP)

273 any truth that jeb! will run 3rd rail...i mean party if he doesn't get the nod?

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 19, 2015 07:39 PM (0O7c5)

274 Posted by: rd at September 19, 2015 07:32 PM (DWyvT)

Right. All of us respond to incentives and disincentives and would be fools to take take advantage of such.

For example, I believe in a flat tax. But do I take deductions when tax time comes around? Yes. Does that make me a hypocrite? I don't know. But I'm not going to take a principled stand and say, "no, no, Mr. Accountant, I want to pay the full amount, no deductions."

So in the real estate development market, there is a lot of cronyism and government involvement. Do I wish there wasn't? of course. Am I going to blame Trump for taking advantage of the law? No. I think he would be a fool to take a principled stand that would cost him millions and just ensure his competitors get the contract and not him.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 07:39 PM (AkOaV)

275 I have known both 'Marion' and 'Ashley' males.

Here is Ashley Womble, if you ever need a watch serviced, and you don't want to send it to Ahmed, Ashley Womble is your guy.
http://tinyurl.com/p8cmjmt

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 19, 2015 07:40 PM (9mTYi)

276 I'm thinking in Arizona they have the gun but they may not have the shooter

Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 07:40 PM (zOTsN)

277 276
I'm thinking in Arizona they have the gun but they may not have the shooter

Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 07:40 PM (zOTsN)

that's what i'm thinking

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 19, 2015 07:40 PM (0O7c5)

278 oh crap
first play of OT - turnover

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 07:41 PM (R4FFC)

279 I was in the 'Our Gang' comedies. Buckwheat too.

Posted by: Farina at September 19, 2015 07:41 PM (gwG9s)

280 And my disclaimer once again. Some fine people are Atheists. People here too. This video still made me laugh though

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2015 07:30 PM (1+XCd)

For you, Fenelon, Zen Gospel Singing. It's fun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRrrlmBmzXs

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2015 07:41 PM (7MWCL)

281 273 any truth that jeb! will run 3rd rail...i mean party if he doesn't get the nod?

There isn't any solid proof. Only Dana Perino saying she knows one contender is considering it (maybe Jeb.)

I see the logic: the Chamber of Commerce (and Jeb) don't want a wall built, or even the remote chance of one. Draw 1% in a close race (which would be a killing for Jeb) and it could give the Democrats the election.

And, most importantly, no wall.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2015 07:41 PM (6J38E)

282 Should he not use Eminent Domain while his competitors use it?

That's the argument I've heard in favor of the Ex-Im bank.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 19, 2015 07:42 PM (W5DcG)

283 "Does anyone remember laughter?"
I'm laughing at all these public figures and their followers that have to pretend they don't ... and if they did it wouldn't smell. I also laugh at the people who think Obama can wave his ... and make permanent changes. Obama has destroyed a lot of things. Like "don't ask don't tell". When he is gone they will start drumming homosexuals out of the military. He has also destroyed the law-fare industry by destroy big business. A big business is either a zombi or a vampire now-a-days. Things will get really funny when the Chinese get through trying to blackmail US Government workers. The joke is we wouldn't know the difference before or after blackmail.

Posted by: Chikens-home-roost at September 19, 2015 07:42 PM (PGh+Q)

284 Some one who worked at the pawn shop could do it, reutning the gun each night

call the police to give the tip and collect the reward

and Leslies facebook page, being all pro gun and military and anti government busy bodies, well they feel pretty sure they got their guy

Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 07:43 PM (zOTsN)

285 lol, fiorina is tied with christie for 2nd to last place and only beats last place lindsey at conservative review. as well spoken as she is, she's a fuckin joke with regards to conservative values. she gets tagged as "bad" with budget, spending & debt, at education, at energy & environment, at free market, at health care, at immigration, at moral issues, and lastly taxes, economy and trade. she does no better than "mixed" with the other 5 metrics.

Posted by: uglykidmoe at September 19, 2015 07:43 PM (7W0xe)

286 any truth that jeb! will run 3rd rail...i mean party if he doesn't get the nod?
Posted by: phoenixgirl

I doubt whats-her-face was talking about Jeb.

My guess is that she heard that some other billion-dollar asshole is going to run 3rd party if Trump stays in first place. Like Mark Cuban or Bloomers.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 19, 2015 07:44 PM (JmGFJ)

287 Apologies if anyone's posted this before.

Click if you want to be depressed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3241098/

Posted by: JEM (or whatevs) at September 19, 2015 07:44 PM (o+SC1)

288 Does she still worship ManBearPig?

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 19, 2015 07:45 PM (1aiVZ)

289 My guess is that she heard that some other billion-dollar asshole is going to run 3rd party if Trump stays in first place. Like Mark Cuban or Bloomers.

We should welcome that.

The more the parties get screwed over, the better.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2015 07:45 PM (6J38E)

290 I read the one sentence and had to stop

that poor baby

Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 07:46 PM (zOTsN)

291 My guess is that she heard that some other billion-dollar asshole is going to run 3rd party if Trump stays in first place. Like Mark Cuban or Bloomers.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 19, 2015 07:44 PM (JmGFJ)

Crony-capitalist Gerbil Worming True Believer Tom Steyer.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2015 07:46 PM (7MWCL)

292 ""Marion" was a male name, too. John Wayne's original given name, IIRC."

PG got it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 07:46 PM (9ORmX)

293 Throw ManBearPig down the well.

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 19, 2015 07:47 PM (1aiVZ)

294 well crap.
was very close.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 07:47 PM (R4FFC)

295 Evening, kiddos.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at September 19, 2015 07:47 PM (q20+R)

296 Huh. I killed it. It's dead, Jim.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at September 19, 2015 07:49 PM (q20+R)

297 Karl still here?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 07:49 PM (9ORmX)

298 277 276
I'm thinking in Arizona they have the gun but they may not have the shooter

Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 07:40 PM (zOTsN)

that's what i'm thinking

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 19, 2015 07:40 PM

Just like the FBI had the Atlanta Olympic Park Bomb and Richard Jewell?

Posted by: rd at September 19, 2015 07:50 PM (DWyvT)

299 Damn, DG, we were doing fine....until.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 07:50 PM (9ORmX)

300 That's the argument I've heard in favor of the Ex-Im bank.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 19, 2015 07:42 PM (W5DcG)

Well, and again -- do I blame Boeing and Caterpillar for using the Ex-Im bank? Not really, it exists, they use it. Their shareholders don't want the CEOs saying "well I won't avail myself of this money because of my principled view." That's the incentive system that Congress has set up. I think it's shitty, but that's the way it is, and I get why the CEOs of major companies take advantage of it. Because they'd be fools not to.

But OTOH, I DO want Congress to change the law and change the incentives.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 07:50 PM (AkOaV)

301 Well, Hello.

Posted by: Bruce Shampoe at September 19, 2015 07:50 PM (KyTfP)

302 Huskers will be lucky to go 6-6 this season. very sad.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 07:50 PM (R4FFC)

303 Somebody linked a Lenka video here recently, and I'm really starting to like her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHpvlr_kG6U

Posted by: rickl at September 19, 2015 07:51 PM (sdi6R)

304 The more the parties get screwed over, the better.
Posted by: Bevel
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It isn't the parties that get screwed.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 19, 2015 07:51 PM (9mTYi)

305
Ja,

Posted by: Karl Bogendegia at September 19, 2015 07:51 PM (OUtMw)

306 Damn, DG, we were doing fine....until.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 07:50 PM (9ORmX)

Yeah, sorry about that.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at September 19, 2015 07:52 PM (q20+R)

307 Egypt is flooded tunnels into the Sinai today

Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 07:52 PM (zOTsN)

308 "if I was working on a 1000 desktop deal and I told the HP channel rep, and he inputted in to "the pipeline" on the HP side, his counterpart in HP Direct would see the deal in the system, and call the customer and try to undercut me on price"

So a woman CEO applied the "Competition will be a good thing" platitude without thinking through all possible consequences of applying it in a new way?

Women leaders who can't think through extended consequences of their decisions, where have I heard that before?

Cough, Merkel, cough.

Perhaps it's related to femsteering.

Posted by: bruce at September 19, 2015 07:53 PM (X86uj)

309 Not having a chance to read the above comments - my understanding is that Carly sold off the HP divisions that built the tools that make new technology and kept/reinvested in the divisions that make commodities - basically sold off the high tech to float cheap shiite made in china, so yes, it looks like she kept HP less in the red than the competitors who only make cheap shiite in china.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 19, 2015 07:53 PM (NaeCR)

310 I just bought TIME magazine. I couldn't NOT buy it.

Do yourself a favor and read the cover. Read it all the way to the end.

Posted by: FireHorse at September 19, 2015 07:53 PM (PoIW6)

311 "Ja,"

Well, Karl, I hope you can things sorted out with the bank. Don't want you living in a pickup in the desert, although, there could be worse things.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 07:54 PM (9ORmX)

312 73 any truth that jeb! will run 3rd rail...i mean party if he doesn't get the nod?

****

Basee on his statement about wanting to have an impact on the election, my guess is Bloomberg.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at September 19, 2015 07:55 PM (2z4UX)

313 Posted by: bruce at September 19, 2015 07:53 PM (X86uj)

I don't think it had anything to do with her being a woman. I think it's just that being a CEO is an incredibly difficult job, especially at a huge company, and that every decision you make has the potential to have HUGE unforeseen outcomes.

I'm not saying I would have done a better job.

All I'm saying is that her record at HP is not... great... in my opinion. And that's kind of what she's running on.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 07:55 PM (AkOaV)

314 sounds like things are getting pretty hairy in Israel

wonder why

Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 07:55 PM (zOTsN)

315

four rockets have been fired

riots in east Jerusalem

several molotov cocktails thrown at security forces

Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 07:57 PM (zOTsN)

316 310
I just bought TIME magazine. I couldn't NOT buy it.

Do yourself a favor and read the cover. Read it all the way to the end.

Posted by: FireHorse at September 19, 2015 07:53 PM (PoIW6)
link?

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 07:57 PM (R4FFC)

317 all from Gaza

Posted by: ThunderB at September 19, 2015 07:57 PM (zOTsN)

318 Marion Morrison, Jim Morrison, and Toni Morrison.

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 19, 2015 07:58 PM (Nwg0u)

319 No problem supporting Fiorina.

I really don't think the HP layoff stuff is nearly as damaging as people make out.

Romney didn't lose the election because he closed a paper mill.

Posted by: Kal at September 19, 2015 07:58 PM (A3kYV)

320 I'm not sure how that chart works in Fiorina's favor. HP looks to lose half its value while she's there and recovers once they're rid of her.

I wonder what the one for Lucent looks like.

Posted by: Methos at September 19, 2015 07:58 PM (ZbV+0)

321 Yahoo and JJ's What Are Ya Gonna DO?

Posted by: Bruce Shampoe at September 19, 2015 07:59 PM (KyTfP)

322 Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 07:54 PM

Ja, well, Ace of Spades HQ is my place to vent. I come here for therapy. Need a shrink as much as I need insurance.

I come here to escape reality, and to pretend my opinion means something.

Over at madgeniuses there was a post about hanging out with like minded people, and I was going to ask where that might be. But I'm not sure I want to hang out with people who think like me.

It'sa pickle, no doubt about it.

Posted by: Karl Bogendegia at September 19, 2015 07:59 PM (OUtMw)

323 Anybody ever have Wingstop's Hawaiian sauce? And/or which is better, wingstop or buffalo wild wings? Gonna get some for the Eagles/Cowgirls game tomorrow.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at September 19, 2015 07:59 PM (q20+R)

324 310 I just bought TIME magazine. I couldn't NOT buy it.

Do yourself a favor and read the cover. Read it all the way to the end.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 19, 2015 07:53 PM (PoIW6)
---
is it the !BERNIE! cover? It's behind a firewall. Not paying for that read-n-wipe.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Scourge of the Atlantic Seaboard at September 19, 2015 07:59 PM (jR7Wy)

325 319 No problem supporting Fiorina.

I really don't think the HP layoff stuff is nearly as damaging as people make out.

Romney didn't lose the election because he closed a paper mill.
Posted by: Kal at September 19, 2015 07:58 PM (A3kYV)

It's not about the layoffs. Read my comment upthread @48. And read what others in the industry have said.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 08:00 PM (AkOaV)

326 It'sa pickle, no doubt about it.
Posted by: Karl Bogendegia at September 19, 2015 07:59 PM (OUtMw)

Well good luck, bud, I hope it all works out for you. Glad we can help you by listening to you vent.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 08:01 PM (AkOaV)

327 "if I was working on a 1000 desktop deal and I told the HP channel rep, and he inputted in to "the pipeline" on the HP side, his counterpart in HP Direct would see the deal in the system, and call the customer and try to undercut me on price"

So a woman CEO applied the "Competition will be a good thing" platitude without thinking through all possible consequences of applying it in a new way?

Women leaders who can't think through extended consequences of their decisions, where have I heard that before?

Cough, Merkel, cough.

Perhaps it's related to femsteering.

Posted by: bruce at September 19, 2015 07:53 PM

Sort of like Sarah Palin passing a "tough new Ethics law," and then getting it good and hard from unhinged Democrat fanatics using the same Ethics Law against her. It drove her out of office.

Posted by: rd at September 19, 2015 08:02 PM (DWyvT)

328 yeah I'm not going to spend money on a magazine written by my enemies.
so unless the cover is free, then no

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:03 PM (R4FFC)

329 325

Nobody gives a shit what the tech industry thinks about her.

What do you think actual real estate developers think about the ass clown Donald Trump? Answer: that he's a joke.

Posted by: Kal at September 19, 2015 08:03 PM (A3kYV)

330
Thanks to you both.

Posted by: Karl Bogendegia at September 19, 2015 08:03 PM (OUtMw)

331 all from Gaza

Totally spontaneous and not a distraction from Iran, I'm sure

Posted by: Methos is not actually sure at September 19, 2015 08:04 PM (ZbV+0)

332 Fiorina could certainly win, if the Puritans in here actually wanted her to.

Posted by: whatmeworry? at September 19, 2015 08:04 PM (dZGNV)

333 Fiorina could certainly win, if the Puritans in here actually wanted her to.

Yeah, the best sign of a winning, 'true conservative' candidate is when his/her supporters start complaining about the purity crowd.

Posted by: Methos at September 19, 2015 08:07 PM (ZbV+0)

334 All I'm saying is that her record at HP is not... great... in my opinion. And that's kind of what she's running on.

Posted by: mynewhandle at 07:55 PM
________

Was she the CEO who bugged her Board of Directors?

Posted by: FireHorse at September 19, 2015 08:07 PM (+gX+h)

335 302
Huskers will be lucky to go 6-6 this season. very sad.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 07:50 PM (R4FFC)

Agreed. It's looking pretty grim, but I went into this season figuring it was going to be bad with the head coach and staff changes.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 19, 2015 08:08 PM (4ErVI)

336 Nobody gives a shit what the tech industry thinks about her.

Apparently voters did when it came up in 2010.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2015 08:08 PM (6J38E)

337 I think Fiorina is better than Trump, and certainly orders of magnitude better than Obummer, but still not my top choices, I prefer Cruz or Walker or Jindal over her.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:08 PM (R4FFC)

338 oh, I define "Dark Enlightenment" as the view that the best government is the government that governs its territory best. That is, to take democracy and freedom out of the equation. And to oppose equality as evil.

In practice there might be some role for a consultative body, but it wouldn't be the sole or even primary decision-maker. And it certainly wouldn't represent all the people or even most of the people under the system's rule. There'd also be some role for freedom but not where it stood a chance of upsetting the established order.

So, Singapore, basically. Or perhaps the old Dutch and Venetian republics (which were, I think, run for the shareholders, not the people).

But that's going off topic.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 19, 2015 08:08 PM (bIk5t)

339 In my worldview, the great satan of American history is Martin Luther King, Jr.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 19, 2015 08:09 PM (bIk5t)

340 What do you think actual real estate developers think about the ass clown Donald Trump? Answer: that he's a joke.

And he is laughing all the way to the bank!

Posted by: rd at September 19, 2015 08:09 PM (DWyvT)

341 If Fiorina wins the nomination, she's not going to win California anyway. So yeah it doesn't really matter what tech ppl think of Carly at this point. She's not competing for their votes.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:09 PM (R4FFC)

342 Nobody gives a shit what the tech industry thinks about her.

What do you think actual real estate developers think about the ass clown Donald Trump? Answer: that he's a joke.
Posted by: Kal at September 19, 2015 08:03 PM (A3kYV)

Ha, okay.

Well, the ads write themselves. And only the most dishonest among us will be able to defend her poor decisions as CEO. And she has no great successes or record to point to.

As for Trump -- people that work with him and in the industry think he's a son of a bitch. But a very successful son of a bitch with a really good track record for turning around projects and making money when no one else thought they could.

And I'm sure there will be ads to be made there -- but its a lot easier to say, "hey, he did what he had to do in business. He stuck with his gut and has had an unbelievably successful career."

For Carly the answer is, "yeah she sucked at HP, and has nothing else to really point to as to why she's qualified to run for any kind of political office... BUT she'd be a great president. Trust me."

I mean, I guess. Good luck with that though.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 08:10 PM (AkOaV)

343 Replacing some of them with H1B visa holders was also a good decision.

Not if it breaks the law. Not if you can find more than a handful of Americans who think bending the accommodation to the point of breaking it entirely .

Sure, she's not the only CEO, corporate, politician taking liberties with immigration law, but it's not a good idea to turn labor into widgets and expect no one will say boo.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 19, 2015 08:10 PM (JmGFJ)

344 Yeah, the best sign of a winning, 'true conservative' candidate is when his/her supporters start complaining about the purity crowd.
Posted by: Methos at September 19, 2015 08:07 PM (ZbV+0)

It oscillates between us being the reason the GOP loses to us being unimportant and irrelevant.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2015 08:11 PM (6J38E)

345
Every single one of the candidates will spin to the center-left as they have the nomination. That's why I'm not voting. Fuck em all.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2015 08:11 PM (Db4mp)

346 Thanks to you both.
Posted by: Karl Bogendegia at September 19, 2015 08:03 PM (OUtMw)

Touch�!

Posted by: Bruce Shampoe at September 19, 2015 08:11 PM (KyTfP)

347 All I'm saying is that her record at HP is not... great... in my opinion. And that's kind of what she's running on.

Posted by: mynewhandle at 07:55 PM

And what about Trump with 4 bankruptcies under his belt?

People will see these people in action and can tell if they're competent.

Trump won't even do the homework, he just tells people he'll hire the best and that soon, he'll know more than everyone else about it whenever he's asked a question he's clueless about.

Posted by: Kal at September 19, 2015 08:11 PM (A3kYV)

348 In my worldview, the great satan of American history is Martin Luther King, Jr.

-
I can think of a few better candidates. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharptoon, Obama, LBJ, Bill Clintoon, Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 19, 2015 08:12 PM (Nwg0u)

349 Yeah, the best sign of a winning, 'true conservative' candidate is when his/her supporters start complaining about the purity crowd.

-
I'm not voting for anybody to the left of Alan Grayson.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 19, 2015 08:14 PM (Nwg0u)

350 No, the red issue of TIME with all the questions on it. It's so TIMEy! I use to be a fan of the Weekly World News, and TIME has been trying to fill that void for years. This week, they outridiculoused themselves.

(And reading the covers is always free.)

Posted by: FireHorse at September 19, 2015 08:14 PM (iTuvR)

351
Ms Fiorina was never a community organizer, and that alone makes her unelectable.

Posted by: Josh Earnest, BHO Buttboy at September 19, 2015 08:15 PM (OiFtZ)

352 well then provide a link

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:16 PM (R4FFC)

353 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 19, 2015 08:08 PM (bIk5t)
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So where do you see yourself in this crowned republic, BTH?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Scourge of the Atlantic Seaboard at September 19, 2015 08:16 PM (jR7Wy)

354
I' m gonna write a piece titled The Mote In Donald Trump's Eye.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2015 08:17 PM (Db4mp)

355
Here.

https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/ber
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fix ---

Posted by: Bruce Shampoe at September 19, 2015 08:18 PM (KyTfP)

356 Trump won't even do the homework, he just tells people he'll hire the best and that soon, he'll know more than everyone else about it whenever he's asked a question he's clueless about.

Posted by: Kal at September 19, 2015 08:11 PM

Trump is hitting most of the right notes as a Conservative. But you are correct, his weakness is his use of bluff and bluster. It got him to this point, but he needs to really buckle down with the briefing books.

He can do it. The Question Is, will he do it?

Unless and until he does, he is not in my top 3.

Posted by: rd at September 19, 2015 08:18 PM (DWyvT)

357 Sort of like Sarah Palin passing a "tough new Ethics law," and then getting it good and hard from unhinged Democrat fanatics using the same Ethics Law against her. It drove her out of office.
Posted by: rd at September 19, 2015 08:02 PM (DWyvT)

Never tempt the Goddess Irony.

Posted by: Positive Waves at September 19, 2015 08:19 PM (MQEz6)

358 Alberta Oil Peon- (IF you're still here):

I really enjoyed "Zen Gospel Singing", That was fun. Thanks so much.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2015 08:19 PM (1+XCd)

359 a rather unremarkable cover about a rather unremarkable socialist

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:19 PM (R4FFC)

360 And what about Trump with 4 bankruptcies under his belt?

People will see these people in action and can tell if they're competent.

Trump won't even do the homework, he just tells people he'll hire the best and that soon, he'll know more than everyone else about it whenever he's asked a question he's clueless about.
Posted by: Kal at September 19, 2015 08:11 PM (A3kYV)

4 bankruptcies out of a 100 (or whatever) companies seems like a good record to me.

And, look, if Carly had been a successful CEO at 10 major companies, and dropped the ball a little at HP, it wouldn't be a big deal.

But we have one data point for her competence -- HP. And it's not a good data point.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 08:20 PM (AkOaV)

361
Or, IF YOU DARE.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ne7rk86

Posted by: Bruce Shampoe at September 19, 2015 08:20 PM (KyTfP)

362 Fiorina does some things well. She's a solid speaker and actually was able to muster passion on an issue in the debate, which is more than I can say for most of these guys.

But it's all just the latest iteration of How Do We Stop Trump.

The insincerity of it gets annoying. The breezy, hopeful statements about Carly quickly turn to the all too typical shrieks of outrage and hatred when someone questions her tenure at HP or dares to suggest she's full of shit about immigration. Maybe you'll convince people if you just scream 'em over to your side.

And this idea that she could take down Clinton is just silly talk largely coming from male pundits who haven't a clue as to how actual women think.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 19, 2015 08:20 PM (4ErVI)

363 Trump is hitting most of the right notes as a Conservative.

Actually he hasn't.

he has said almost nothing that indicates he really knows what conservative principles are.

all he says is that he's going to hire smart guys and that it will be yuuge and luxurious and fabulous. that isn't leading, that is a copout.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:21 PM (R4FFC)

364 Well, the ads write themselves. And only the most dishonest among us will be able to defend her poor decisions as CEO. And she has no great successes or record to point to.

No, not really.

Large dinosaur firms come and go, the idea that somebody better than Fiorina would have made HP an entirely new company in it's downward spiral is a little delusional. What about Kodak? What magic CEO would have saved that company?

I'll take the ads against HP rather than Trump explaining why he said he wants to fuck his daughter.

Posted by: Kal at September 19, 2015 08:21 PM (A3kYV)

365 350 No, the red issue of TIME with all the questions on it. It's so TIMEy! I use to be a fan of the Weekly World News, and TIME has been trying to fill that void for years. This week, they outridiculoused themselves.

(And reading the covers is always free.)
Posted by: FireHorse at September 19, 2015 08:14 PM (iTuvR)
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Topless in public? Do ghosts exist?

Are mole people tunneling under the White House? Who is Bat Boy endorsing as the republican nominee?

You're right, it's a less respectable version of the Weekly World News. I remember when TIME had serious content. Heck, I remember when Readers Digest had substance!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Scourge of the Atlantic Seaboard at September 19, 2015 08:22 PM (jR7Wy)

366 Trump is hitting most of the right notes as a Conservative. But you are correct, his weakness is his use of bluff and bluster. It got him to this point, but he needs to really buckle down with the briefing books.

It's less important than him not backing down when the PC police demand he do so.

You can find a thousand jokers who read books, but only one guy is standing up to the Liberal Hate Machine.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2015 08:22 PM (6J38E)

367 "I come here to escape reality, and to pretend my opinion means something. "

We should start a club.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 08:23 PM (9ORmX)

368 What candidate has some set of deeds that says he or she is qualified for the Presidency?

Only the President gets to do President things.

Posted by: Positive Waves at September 19, 2015 08:24 PM (MQEz6)

369 Posted by: Kal at September 19, 2015 08:21 PM (A3kYV)

Well maybe that might be the case if Mark Hurd and Meg Whitman hadn't done much better. It's not like HP has gone out of business in the meantime.

But whatever.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 08:24 PM (AkOaV)

370 Large dinosaur firms come and go, the idea that somebody better than Fiorina would have made HP an entirely new company in it's downward spiral is a little delusional. What about Kodak? What magic CEO would have saved that company?

So...what's left to commend Fiorina? Her failed Senate run where she claimed she should win the primary because she's a woman and not a white guy?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2015 08:25 PM (6J38E)

371 I'm binge-watching "Gotham". It has snappy dialog and a nice gritty feel, but damn there are some gruesome demises.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Scourge of the Atlantic Seaboard at September 19, 2015 08:26 PM (jR7Wy)

372 You can find a thousand jokers who read books, but only one guy is standing up to the Liberal Hate Machine.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2015 08:22 PM (6J38E)
So what? He's not a conservative. Lots of people try to stand up to the Liberal Hate Machine. Why should I support someone who is not a conservative doing that?

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:26 PM (R4FFC)

373 That chart is awful. It shows the stock was down 50% from when she started, then rebounded when she was fired, but the headline somehow makes it sound like that wasn't that bad? wtf

Check out the golden parachute.

This isn't really an issue anyway. The problem is, she is quite liberal, kinda like trump only with less success. She will bring us amnesty.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander at September 19, 2015 08:26 PM (COpZ4)

374 I'll take the ads against HP rather than Trump explaining why he said he wants to fuck his daughter.
Posted by: Kal at September 19, 2015 08:21 PM (A3kYV)

?? Tsk, Tsk.

Posted by: Bruce Shampoe at September 19, 2015 08:26 PM (KyTfP)

375 So...what's left to commend Fiorina? Her failed Senate run where she claimed she should win the primary because she's a woman and not a white guy?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2015 08:25 PM (6J38E)

I mean I guess that's my point.

I don't know why I'm supposed to support her. Her HP record is not great, apparently she was bad at Lucent too, she's very establishmenty, her only other foray in to politics was her losing a Senate bid by 10 points after knee capping the TEA Party candidate in the primaries...

...so, what?

She's a good debater? She's a woman?

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 08:27 PM (AkOaV)

376 We should start a club.

Can I join? What are the fees?

Posted by: Ronster at September 19, 2015 08:27 PM (0qASP)

377 In my worldview, the great satan of American history is Martin Luther King, Jr.

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I can think of a few better candidates. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharptoon, Obama, LBJ, Bill Clintoon, Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 19, 2015 08:12 PM

I think it is that Great Republican on Mt Rushmore, Teddy Roosevelt.

We got the income tax, women's suffrage, direct elections of US Senators and the election of the racist Jim Crow Woodrow Wilson.

If Teddy does not run third party in 1912, there is no way Wilson gets elected.

Posted by: rd at September 19, 2015 08:27 PM (DWyvT)

378
Farina conquered cancer. That, today, is a political achievement, I guess.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2015 08:27 PM (Db4mp)

379 Speaking of which, I tried watching Bastard Executioner. I could only get through about a half hour of it. Lots of characters I can't tell apart, lots of death, I fail to see the point. Anyone else have the same problem?

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:28 PM (R4FFC)

380 And what about Trump with 4 bankruptcies under his belt?

What about it is, as I've read elsewhere, that's out of 900-1000 assorted projects over the years all of the rest of which are successes.

Which gives him a success rate of 99.5-ish% success rate.

As opposed to Ferraro's 0%.

Posted by: Methos at September 19, 2015 08:28 PM (ZbV+0)

381 The chart shows the companies experiencing roughly the same trends.

This suggests Fiorina was not an important factor.

Posted by: Positive Waves at September 19, 2015 08:28 PM (MQEz6)

382 How is Carly "quite liberal"?

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:29 PM (R4FFC)

383 Lots of people try to stand up to the Liberal Hate Machine.

Not at all. It's very rare. Most people apologize and get fired anyway.

He's literally all there is. All of the other people running would apologize if they said something deemed ungood by the leftist press.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2015 08:29 PM (6J38E)

384 Chemjeff, I've been told you have to push through the first half hour and it gets better.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Scourge of the Atlantic Seaboard at September 19, 2015 08:29 PM (jR7Wy)

385 378

Farina conquered cancer. That, today, is a political achievement, I guess.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2015 08:27 PM (Db4mp)

Then it came back and he died. He was great on that cop show, though.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 19, 2015 08:30 PM (4ErVI)

386
He's literally all there is. All of the other
people running would apologize if they said something deemed ungood by
the leftist press.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2015 08:29 PM (6J38E)
Why should I support someone who is standing up to the Liberal Hate Machine who is not a conservative?

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:30 PM (R4FFC)

387
Bastard Executioner is awful.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2015 08:30 PM (Db4mp)

388
Bastard Executioner.
Bastard Executioner.
Bastard Executioner.

I'd rather not check out this... art.

Thanks for the warning!

Posted by: Bruce Shampoe at September 19, 2015 08:31 PM (KyTfP)

389 This suggests Fiorina was not an important factor.

Posted by: Positive Waves at September 19, 2015 08:28 PM (MQEz6)

Hey now. You are supposed to look at the graph and accept what you told it means.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 19, 2015 08:31 PM (NaeCR)

390 384
Chemjeff, I've been told you have to push through the first half hour and it gets better.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Scourge of the Atlantic Seaboard at September 19, 2015 08:29 PM (jR7Wy)
Okay maybe I will try re-watching it. But ugh.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:31 PM (R4FFC)

391 So...what's left to commend Fiorina? Her failed Senate run where she claimed she should win the primary because she's a woman and not a white guy?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk

Tell me what Ted Cruz has accomplished? He's a Senator that votes on things and manages a tiny office staff.

That doesn't disqualify him, I think he knows what he;s doing, but I would argue Fiorina has far more executive experience at actually running things than Ted Cruz, even if HP's stock price is not where it was during the .com boom.

Posted by: Kal at September 19, 2015 08:31 PM (A3kYV)

392 It seems like pretty much the only thing we all agree on is Jeb being a toady corksucker.

So, that's something.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 19, 2015 08:31 PM (4ErVI)

393 Yeah I cannot support Jeb either.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:32 PM (R4FFC)

394 If Leslie didn't do it and if the weapon was in pawn, that narrows down the list of suspects.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 19, 2015 08:32 PM (Nwg0u)

395 I could go with Cruz/Fiorina or Walker/Fiorina.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:32 PM (R4FFC)

396 Tell me what Ted Cruz has accomplished? He's a Senator that votes on things and manages a tiny office staff.

Why do you think I give a shit about Ted Cruz?

That doesn't disqualify him, I think he knows what he;s doing, but I would argue Fiorina has far more executive experience at actually running things than Ted Cruz, even if HP's stock price is not where it was during the .com boom.

So HP should be discounted for results, but touted as experience when comparing to other candidates?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2015 08:33 PM (6J38E)

397 Actually I would like Jindal/Fiorina. I think that would be an awesome pair.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:33 PM (R4FFC)

398 381 The chart shows the companies experiencing roughly the same trends.

This suggests Fiorina was not an important factor.
Posted by: Positive Waves at September 19, 2015 08:28 PM (MQEz6)

Yeah, HP followed the same trend line as Dell and Sun Microsystems. Not really something to hang your hat on. But she's always bragging about how she "turned HP around".

Incidentally, Dell has "gone private" again... they said going public was a horrible experience. :Shrug:

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 08:33 PM (AkOaV)

399 What about it is, as I've read elsewhere, that's out of 900-1000 assorted projects over the years all of the rest of which are successes.

Which gives him a success rate of 99.5-ish% success rate.

As opposed to Ferraro's 0%.
Posted by: Methos

Trump is an actor playing the role of a businessman.

Many of these projects are somebody licensing his name, that's all. Like Brittany Spears perfume.

I could believe Trump was this super awesome executive if he didn't dodge every real question with some juvenile insult.

Posted by: Kal at September 19, 2015 08:34 PM (A3kYV)

400 "Can I join? What are the fees?"

Oh, no fees. BYOB though.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 08:34 PM (9ORmX)

401 It'll never be Cruz because he looks goofy and his voice is weird.

It is what it is.

Oh and his wife was a somebody at Goldman Sachs. That's a death kiss right there with most people.

I do like him, though. If someone wins and can do a thing, they should put him on SCOTUS.

Walker is pretty much finished I think. It seems to me he made the mistake of listening to the shitstains he hired to run his campaign and that's not good enough this go around.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 19, 2015 08:35 PM (4ErVI)

402 Look, Trump is not a conservative.

He is shouty and unapologetic and boastful and shouty. Which can be amusing and entertaining. But it's not a platform.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:35 PM (R4FFC)

403 Alright, whatever Kal. I don't really care about Trump or Fiorina, you vote for who you want.

I'm most likely sitting this cycle out anyways.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 08:35 PM (AkOaV)

404 So HP should be discounted for results, but touted as experience when comparing to other candidates?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk

A company during decline when other dinosaurs were experiencing the same thing, yes.

Posted by: Kal at September 19, 2015 08:36 PM (A3kYV)

405 Yeah I do like Jindal.

I guarantee you shit will get done if he's in office. We won't get everything, of course, but we'll get a lot more than if we elect one of the other clowns.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 19, 2015 08:37 PM (4ErVI)

406 I could go for Trump as Press Secretary. That would be beneath him, but it would be entertaining.

I could go for Trump as Commerce Secretary, with a mandate to create some "awesome deals" for the US and then shut down the department at the end of the 4th year.

But never president.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:37 PM (R4FFC)

407 Speaking of which, I tried watching Bastard Executioner.

I liked it, though it had more spiritual weirdness than I was expecting (which is to say any). Like any good pilot, it left a bunch of characters lying their way into precarious positions, at the mercy of other who know otherwise but are playing along to their own ends.

I'm just not sure where it goes since there weren't a lot of dangling plot threads (that the protagonist knows about) at the end of it.

Posted by: Methos at September 19, 2015 08:37 PM (ZbV+0)

408 Sitting here watching "Dr. Who." Never watched before in my life.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 08:37 PM (9ORmX)

409
Brittany Spears perfume.
Paris Hilton Watch.
Kim Kardashian Botox Pumps...

And so it goes...
And where it's goin' nobody knows...

Posted by: Bruce Shampoe at September 19, 2015 08:38 PM (KyTfP)

410 Which Candidate that now appears to be a conservative will stay a conservative after being elected? I would like to say Cruz but even he is suspect in my eyes.

Trump is no Conservative. He never has been nor will he ever be. He is a Populist and right now that is good enough for a lot of people.

What promises do you believe the others would keep if they were elected?

You will be lucky to get a "I tried" out of most of them.

Trump supporters believe that if he is elected, the wall will be built and illegals will start getting an invitation to go home.

That is enough to start with. If the rebuke party breaks up and takes a good portion of the donktards with them.

Just a nice little bonus.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at September 19, 2015 08:38 PM (dOD0J)

411 Soothsayer. Not only did you omit Cruz, but he's arguably equal to Fiorina for the #1 slot.

Solicitor General for the State of Texas, and rather successful in the role.

Further, I've had the pleasure of hearing him speak at a rally in Allen, TX, in January of 2014, well before he'd declared as a candidate. He's very articulate, eloquent, candid and entertaining. He connects.

In fact, given a long form speech, he'll end up giving a far better impression than Ms. Fiorina. She's very good at the canned stump speech, and she's very, very good at rebounding the media's volleys. As is Cruz.

But, he can go off script without missing a beat, and engage with the audience very fluidly, naturally and openly. The media does it's level best not to show this, I think.

And he's been a very consistent, highly effective conservative warrior, all the way back to his college days. He's one of the few that's gone to D.C., and done exactly what he'd promised to do.

I'm glad he seems to be working some chess moves with Trump, from all appearances. If Trump flames out, Cruz is well positioned to inherit the bulk of the Trump supporters.

Still, it's all quite early in the game. For now, I'll just be happy to see some of the sub-zero types fall away from the race in short order.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 19, 2015 08:39 PM (McRlu)

412 Gotta run, but the graph paints a great picture to put it into some context.

Looking forward to seeing the polls over the coming weeks.

Posted by: Kal at September 19, 2015 08:39 PM (A3kYV)

413 I think that because it is Saturday night, we should lay off the politics for one evening and have some fun.

Who is with me???!!!!!

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at September 19, 2015 08:39 PM (q20+R)

414
Talking about politics is my fun.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2015 08:41 PM (Db4mp)

415 Many of these projects are somebody licensing his name, that's all. Like Brittany Spears perfume.

Unless that's like 900-1000 of them, his record still looks pretty good compared to her trail of failure.

And it might be worth asking yourself why anyone would think it's a good idea to franchise his name.

Posted by: Methos at September 19, 2015 08:41 PM (ZbV+0)

416 413
I think that because it is Saturday night, we should lay off the politics for one evening and have some fun.

Who is with me???!!!!!

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at September 19, 2015 08:39 PM (q20+R)

Hmm. Will there be boobs and beer in this hypothetical non-political situation?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 19, 2015 08:41 PM (4ErVI)

417 Microsoft donates a bunch of goodies to "clock boy".

WZ

WTF

Posted by: Ronster at September 19, 2015 08:41 PM (0qASP)

418 Okay, that made no sense. Switching channels.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 08:41 PM (9ORmX)

419 Chamber of Commerce likes:
1. Jebbie
2. Rubio
3. Carly

The suffixes have it.

Posted by: Ralph at September 19, 2015 08:42 PM (Bk0n1)

420 American Ninja Warrior is on tonight. It's a very good show.

I watched last week after not seeing it for a few years and was perplexed as to why all the variety had disappeared. Every challenge centers around grip strength and arm endurance, leaving other muscle groups untested.

Posted by: derit at September 19, 2015 08:42 PM (jT+gh)

421 Hmm. Will there be boobs and beer in this hypothetical non-political situation?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 19, 2015 08:41 PM (4ErVI)

Fuck yeah! Boobs, beer and a big grill full of meat.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at September 19, 2015 08:42 PM (q20+R)

422 Guys, I think Carly is a very competent debater. But seriously, I'd rather have Christie or pretty much anyone on that stage (except for Kasich, I'd pick Carly over Kasich (how is that guy not running as a D?).

There's a reason she hasn't had a job since she was fired 10 years ago. The corporate record is a disaster. A flat-out disaster.

I would not invest too much in her candidacy. IMHO>

Posted by: prescient11 at September 19, 2015 08:43 PM (S85kT)

423 "Who is with me???!!!!!"

Okay. What you got in mind. Poker? Pool?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 08:43 PM (9ORmX)

424 American Ninja Warrior is on tonight. It's a very good sho

Watched it on a plane ride from Dallas to Charlotte. Kept my attention well enough, but not something I'd watch at home. The rock climbers seem to do very well.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at September 19, 2015 08:44 PM (q20+R)

425 @402 - his response to the League of Conservation Fools warmist was perfect.

Trump's got the smackdown thing going. Now the question is, when he's sitting down to make policy and argue law with the Congress, is he going to (a) dance with what brung him (b) trim his sails and try to be everyone's friend?

I'm sure much of what he's said publicly prior to his candidacy was the kind of prattle businessmen need to say to kiss up to their local politicians, but how much of what he's said since is any more honest?

Posted by: JEM (or whatevs) at September 19, 2015 08:44 PM (o+SC1)

426 He is shouty and unapologetic and boastful and shouty. Which can be amusing and entertaining. But it's not a platform.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:35 PM (R4FFC)

He wants an unapologetic, winning America, which is one of the most important foundations anyone could have and you would be hard pressed to find one other candidate who thinks anything even remotely close to that.

There is no substitute for the correct attitude. Correct positions tend to follow from it just as terribly incorrect positions are almost guaranteed to follow from an incorrect attitude.

Why is it that no one else running is even close to reasonable when it comes to illegals and American sovereignty - which are the most important issues we face today? Because they all have the wrong attitude, to start with, and that cannot be fixed.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 19, 2015 08:45 PM (zc3Db)

427 Okay. What you got in mind. Poker? Pool?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 08:43 PM (9ORmX)

I'm a horrible pool player, but game. I prefer poker.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at September 19, 2015 08:46 PM (q20+R)

428 It'll never be Cruz because he looks goofy and his voice is weird.

It is what it is.

Oh and his wife was a somebody at Goldman Sachs. That's a death kiss right there with most people.

I do like him, though. If someone wins and can do a thing, they should put him on SCOTUS.

Walker is pretty much finished I think. It seems to me he made the mistake of listening to the shitstains he hired to run his campaign and that's not good enough this go around.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 19, 2015 08:35 PM

Walker - Personnell is policy. Also, after the fascist use of John Doe laws attacking Conservatives, why aren't he and the Republican Majority WI Legislature repealing those laws? I'll still take him over most of the field and any Democrat though.

Cruz is my top choice. Goofy looking? How about Obama's ears or Carter's Teeth? Or our Secretariat of State?

Jindal, my second choice has the same "disability."

Posted by: rd at September 19, 2015 08:46 PM (DWyvT)

429 I find it funny to see Kal supporting Carly. Since just a few weeks ago they were all excited about kicking the stupid pro-life people out of the party.

Go here: http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=358614

Read comment 190.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 19, 2015 08:46 PM (WUbwi)

430
Okay. What you got in mind. Poker? Pool?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 08:43 PM (9ORmX)

Skinny dipping, by the light of the harvest moon.

Posted by: Bruce Shampoe at September 19, 2015 08:46 PM (KyTfP)

431 Why should I support someone who is standing up to the Liberal Hate Machine who is not a conservative?
Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:30 PM (R4FFC)

A liberal who fights the left is better than a Republican who always surrenders to them.

It's not a great position, but it's all there is.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2015 08:47 PM (6J38E)

432 "I'm a horrible pool player, but game. I prefer poker."

Oh no. I'm a horrible poker player but I love pool.

We're in a fine fix now.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 08:48 PM (9ORmX)

433 @308 - the left-hand-competing-with-the-right-hand is not unusual to HP, it was the Oracle Way for a decade. It was like Tech Tindr - you could get lunch a dozen or fifteen days for a month out of different parts of Oracle, and you'd eventually hit an effective minimum on the deal.

I haven't dealt with them in recent years, but I recall at one point Larry axed a whole bunch of sales and it got a lot harder.

Posted by: JEM (or whatevs) at September 19, 2015 08:48 PM (o+SC1)

434 Kal @ 364- large dinosaur farms disappeared?
Why? Ever fed one of the really large ones? Grass or flesh eater makes no difference. And cleaning up after those bastards is a chore let me tell you. Although I bet the yerpeans would love to have some hungry flesh eaters just lounging around their borders about now. KnowhatImean?

Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2015 08:49 PM (go5uR)

435 Oh no. I'm a horrible poker player but I love pool.

We're in a fine fix now.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 08:48 PM (9ORmX)

Perhaps we could create a whole new game that mixes pool and poker together.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at September 19, 2015 08:49 PM (q20+R)

436 What promises do you believe the others would keep if they were elected?

Any promise that requires legislative action is useless because McConnell and Pelosi won't support it. Which is why I always talk about being pleasantly surprised if I get half of what Trump's promising.

I think a decent chunk of the southern invasion could be dealt with if existing law was exercised to the fullest extent possible. Which requires no cooperation. But then, maybe he'll walk over the congress the same way obama has.

The others by and large aren't promising *me* much of anything.

Posted by: Methos at September 19, 2015 08:49 PM (ZbV+0)

437 i am looking at the chart and it is entirely consistent with the view that her tenure was in fact bad for HP.

Posted by: hot phd at September 19, 2015 08:50 PM (UlBzo)

438 420 American Ninja Warrior is on tonight. It's a very good show.

I watched last week after not seeing it for a few years and was perplexed as to why all the variety had disappeared. Every challenge centers around grip strength and arm endurance, leaving other muscle groups untested.
Posted by: derit at September 19, 2015 08:42 PM (jT+gh)

The finale was Monday. This is a repeat. I think part of why is because it is supposed to be a very difficult course. Nearly impossible to beat. However agility speed and balance are very important on stage one. Which is what does take out the majority of people.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 19, 2015 08:50 PM (WUbwi)

439 429 I find it funny to see Kal supporting Carly. Since just a few weeks ago they were all excited about kicking the stupid pro-life people out of the party.

Go here: http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=358614

Read comment 190.
Posted by: Buzzion at September 19, 2015 08:46 PM (WUbwi)

Oh great. Is this yet another Hector sock?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2015 08:51 PM (6J38E)

440 "Perhaps we could create a whole new game that mixes pool and poker together."

Pooker....?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 08:51 PM (9ORmX)

441 Large dinosaur firms come and go, the idea that somebody better than Fiorina would have made HP an entirely new company in it's downward spiral is a little delusional.

HP wasn't a dinosaur, and companies have and do change to avoid disastrous choices and projects. To think otherwise is a little ignorant.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 19, 2015 08:51 PM (JmGFJ)

442 "Romney didn't lose the election because he closed a paper mill."

One of the regional must-win demographics for the GOP are upper Midwest working-class whites.

In 2012, Obama For America zeroed in on those people even before Mitt secured the nomination, and nailed the coonskin to the wall with the steady drumbeat of LAYOFFS DOWNSIZING OUTSOURCING OFFSHORING. Carefully microtargeted to hit working whites.

Those folks have been economically pounded by those measures, and by the time the election rolled round, they had concluded that Mitt was, in the words of a repeatedly run OFA attack spot, "Not one of us," and they stayed home or voted Democratic.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 19, 2015 08:52 PM (noWW6)

443 "but on the other hand turning off media is always a good option"

Always the best option !

Need all the braincells I got, can't afford to lose more.

Drinking, now, that's a case of "what does not kill us makes us stronger".

*Confusion to our enemies ! L'chaim !*
*quaffs deeply*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 19, 2015 08:52 PM (S0bOl)

444
A liberal who fights the left is better than a Republican who always surrenders to them.

It's not a great position, but it's all there is.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2015 08:47 PM (6J38E)
I'm sorry but that's not good enough. In 2000 the R's beat the D's, but with a candidate who spent more than the D's and who justified it in the name of "compassionate conservatism". I won't stand for that. If we beat the D's, it should be with someone who will actually be a conservative, not just someone who out-shouts them but who will act like a liberal when the time comes.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:53 PM (R4FFC)

445 Perhaps we could create a whole new game that mixes pool and poker together.

Does it involve stripping?

Or strippers?

Posted by: Methos at September 19, 2015 08:53 PM (ZbV+0)

446 Pucker Pooker

Posted by: Leif Terminate at September 19, 2015 08:53 PM (KyTfP)

447 So did I miss anything?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at September 19, 2015 08:53 PM (fgSDS)

448
Does it involve stripping?

Or strippers?

Posted by: Methos at September 19, 2015 08:53 PM (ZbV+0)

And harvest moons.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 19, 2015 08:54 PM (4ErVI)

449 @437 - the point is that 2001-2003 was bad for EVERYONE.

HP survived. DEC, Compaq, SGI, Tektronix, Sun, and a whole lot of their direct competitors either died or were absorbed.

Posted by: JEM (or whatevs) at September 19, 2015 08:54 PM (o+SC1)

450 Look, Trump is not a conservative.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++

No he is not, but the two platform planks he has committed in writing are to the right of every so-called conservative running.

Secure borders and national reciprocity for concealed carry.

Two issues at the top of my list of desires.

If any other candidate would adopt both of these they would be more attractive than the clown king. But they won't.

As a sidebar... Carly was very passionate on the abortion issue, which no matter how appealing to conservatives, is not at all on my radar. Don't know what else she brings to the table other than a level of self-confidence that matches the clown king.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 19, 2015 08:54 PM (NaeCR)

451 Man, Sun ate it bad, what happened?

by the time the election rolled round, they had concluded that Mitt was, in the words of a repeatedly run OFA attack spot, "Not one of us," and they stayed home or voted Democratic.

People keep saying stuff like that but turnout was huge and independents went big for Romney so I think they were smart enough to say "well he's not one of us but at least he doesn't hate us like Obama"

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 19, 2015 08:54 PM (39g3+)

452 When I get thrown in the Pokey, I'll get free health care.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at September 19, 2015 08:57 PM (WlQGZ)

453 BURRRRP!
(excuse me)

Posted by: Larry Ellison at September 19, 2015 08:57 PM (KyTfP)

454 I was there. Won't vote for her. Sorry

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at September 19, 2015 08:59 PM (yxw0r)

455 I could never quite understand the "fiscal conservatives" who wanted to kick the pro-lifers out of the party.

Isn't it true that what they are really saying is, "I am willing to trade babies' lives in favor of lower taxes for me"? And how is that better than the liberal pro-death position?

At least the pro-death liberals are okay with higher taxes as well as dead babies.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 08:59 PM (R4FFC)

456 "But then, maybe he'll walk over the congress the same way obama has."

That's exactly what I believe will happen. I expect Trump would dare the stooges to start impeachment proceedings. I also have no doubt that a Trump DOJ would have no problems arresting the stooges on live TV and bringing corruption charges against any and all.

The China Shop is full of nothing but cheap imitations anyway. Time to let the Bull run Free.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at September 19, 2015 08:59 PM (dOD0J)

457 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 19, 2015 09:00 PM (KCxzN)

458 by the time the election rolled round, they had concluded that Mitt was, in the words of a repeatedly run OFA attack spot, "Not one of us," and they stayed home or voted Democratic.

People keep saying stuff like that but turnout was huge and independents went big for Romney so I think they were smart enough to say "well he's not one of us but at least he doesn't hate us like Obama"

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 19, 2015 08:54 PM

One upside to Trump is that he is popular with some of the Democrat demographics, particularly blacks / African Americans. If anyone Republican can peel 25-35% of the black vote from the Democrats, they will win in a Reaganesque Landslide.

Posted by: rd at September 19, 2015 09:02 PM (DWyvT)

459 evenin' AJ

Posted by: Larry Ellison at September 19, 2015 09:03 PM (KyTfP)

460 226
Remember ZENITH? Stock symbol ZE.
Remember Magnavox? Bought by Philips.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 07:25 PM (TqzNj)

Zenith: I met this girl in the Sioux City, Iowa plant, where I'd been hired as an AM/FM Stereo Balance Repairman. She was on the line that replaced components.
Asked her out for my birthday May 12th, in 1972.
Married her October 24th, same year.
We've got 3 kids and will have been married 43 years.
Zenith left the country in 1975, IIRC

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 19, 2015 09:03 PM (M+9nV)

461 Jim @ 411- Cruz
Exactly. Been campaigning and voting for Cruz a long time. See no reason to stop now.

Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2015 09:03 PM (go5uR)

462 jwb7605, congratulations! I am glad your marriage has outlasted the company.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 09:05 PM (R4FFC)

463 g'early evenin', 'rons
Posted by: AltonJackson

G'early man!

Posted by: Ahnold at September 19, 2015 09:06 PM (W5DcG)

464 462 jwb7605, congratulations! I am glad your marriage has outlasted the company.
Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 09:05 PM (R4FFC)

Thanks!
Would have been a Husker come from behind for the record books except for one mistake.
They will be a very good top-10 team in about 3 years, once the recruiting settles down.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 19, 2015 09:06 PM (M+9nV)

465 The blogosphere loved Chuck Devore in 2010, but he was always in the low double digits, and sometimes in the single digits. It looked like it was going to go to Tom Campbell, who I recall was basically a Democrat. He was winning until the summer, and then Fiorina closed hard and lapped them both.

Looking it up, she took 56% of the vote, with Campbell getting 22%, and Devore 19%. A few months before the primary, Campbell was still in the lead. The conservative darling, Devore, was 3rd throughout the whole year.

Posted by: Dave S. at September 19, 2015 09:07 PM (mhkbv)

466 One upside to Trump is that he is popular with some
of the Democrat demographics, particularly blacks / African Americans.
If anyone Republican can peel 25-35% of the black vote from the
Democrats, they will win in a Reaganesque Landslide.
Posted by: rd

That is exactly right. People keep thinking if we got the One True Brilliant Conservative, then the Republicans would win.
Frankly, there are not enough of American Conservatives or people on the Right to win the national election. We are not a Center-Right nation anymore.
We're going to have to settle for some kind of populist centrist. This is not 1980, and there is no well spoken Ronald Reagan that's going to run and capture conservative Democrats (Reagan Democrats).
Trump's populism does appear to appeal to a lot of non-Republicans.

Or we settle for Biden or Hillary Clinton, and another four years of waste.

Half a glass is better than an empty glass.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at September 19, 2015 09:07 PM (+1T7c)

467 If it's Jeb, I vote 3rd party.
If it's Trump, I vote 3rd party.
If it is Kasich, I probably vote 3rd party.
If it's anyone else, I will consider voting R. Cruz, Jindal, Walker, Fiorina - definitely. Miss Lindsey - probably not. Others - maybe.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 09:07 PM (R4FFC)

468 Vivian is the masculine form, Vivienne the feminine. Used to be "Marion" was a male name, too. John Wayne's original given name, IIRC.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2015 07:32 PM (7MWCL)

Don't forget Florence, Meredith and Carol for men's names, too...

Posted by: Zombie Rainer Maria Rilke at September 19, 2015 09:08 PM (oQQwD)

469 467 If it's Jeb, I vote 3rd party.
If it's Trump, I vote 3rd party.
If it is Kasich, I probably vote 3rd party.
If it's anyone else, I will consider voting R. Cruz, Jindal, Walker, Fiorina - definitely. Miss Lindsey - probably not. Others - maybe.
Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 09:07 PM (R4FFC)

I'll vote for Trump, but I trust him less than Carly.
Other than that, I'm with you.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 19, 2015 09:09 PM (M+9nV)

470 440 "Perhaps we could create a whole new game that mixes pool and poker together."

Pooker....?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 08:51 PM (9ORmX)

Be careful when you say, "hit me"

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at September 19, 2015 09:09 PM (fgSDS)

471 Thanks!

Would have been a Husker come from behind for the record books except for one mistake.

They will be a very good top-10 team in about 3 years, once the recruiting settles down.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 19, 2015 09:06 PM (M+9nV)
Well in fairness, the Huskers made a ton of mistakes :/
but the LAST mistake really cost them, yes.
I am not so sure about how long Mike Riley will be there. I don't know if he will last 3 years. But maybe, we will see.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 09:10 PM (R4FFC)

472
That's a nice story, jwb.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2015 09:10 PM (Db4mp)

473
Sorry, just lazy here, but does anyone have an analysis or more on just which 'american' names have been sold to cheap-ass marketeers (no offence to expensive-ass marketeers)?

the list is endless... REALLY.

Posted by: Larry Ellison at September 19, 2015 09:10 PM (KyTfP)

474 Be careful when you say, "hit me"
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen

That sounds like brackjack.

Posted by: The Craw at September 19, 2015 09:11 PM (W5DcG)

475 "It looked like it was going to go to Tom Campbell, who I recall was
basically a Democrat. He was winning until the summer, and then Fiorina
closed hard and lapped them both."

Demon sheep!

(Pardon the cryptic reference.)

Posted by: torquewrench at September 19, 2015 09:11 PM (noWW6)

476 Zenith left the country in 1975, IIRC
Posted by: jwb7605
--------------

I have two prized Zeniths, both family items. One is this, FM only:
http://tinyurl.com/nznkuk3 which, of course, has a sticker on the back as required to indicate 'The Armstrong System'

The other is like this, AM & Shortwave: http://tinyurl.com/pftpbma

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 19, 2015 09:12 PM (9mTYi)

477 Fiorina was supported by Lindsey Graham and John McCain. Donald Trump supported Nancy Pelosi and invited Hillary to his wedding. Both have a spotty business history. Both will, without a doubt, become centrists and screw the voters who put them in the White House. That's what Republican politicians do.

I'm not looking for a savior. I'm looking for someone to win and move the ball in my direction. Earn my vote. Defund Planned Parenthood, deport the criminals, whatever. As long as the next president stomps some progressivism, we can hold off the breakup a little longer.

Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression at September 19, 2015 09:13 PM (DkXQB)

478 Stanford - USC is a better game than I thought it would be.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 09:15 PM (vsbNu)

479 I keep saying inside every lefty is someone wanting the gulags to re opening up. And they keep trying to prove me right

Posted by: skip at September 19, 2015 09:15 PM (7L6zt)

480
What is a zenith?

A comet?
A lightning bolt?
An asteroid?

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2015 09:15 PM (Db4mp)

481 Your FM radio is old if the dial reads from 42 to 50.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 19, 2015 09:15 PM (W5DcG)

482 Or we settle for Biden or Hillary Clinton, and another four years of waste.

Half a glass is better than an empty glass.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative
-------------------

You analysis is correct. There is, however, considerable resistance to accepting it.

A lot of people seem intent on losing the war, rather than fighting the battles.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 19, 2015 09:15 PM (9mTYi)

483
Wanna hear somwthing weird?

I love the smell of transistor radios. No lie.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2015 09:17 PM (Db4mp)

484 Thanks for the encouragement Mr. Hammer

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at September 19, 2015 09:18 PM (fgSDS)

485 Demon Sheep!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo_Ejfc5hW8

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 09:18 PM (R4FFC)

486 460
Zenith: Zenith left the country in 1975, IIRC

So where did they build the Z-89 and the Z-19?

Posted by: Anachronda at September 19, 2015 09:18 PM (o78gS)

487 This is an outrage--something so wrong, it cannot be tolerated. AT&T's Lily has her hair up in the latest commercial. This calls for a hunger strike. Until the tresses are free, no one feed me!

Posted by: derit at September 19, 2015 09:19 PM (jT+gh)

488 Until the tresses are free, no one feed me!

okay, I'll have your chocolate ration then

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 09:19 PM (R4FFC)

489 I'm not looking for a savior. I'm looking for
someone to win and move the ball in my direction. Earn my vote. Defund
Planned Parenthood, deport the criminals, whatever. As long as the next
president stomps some progressivism, we can hold off the breakup a
little longer.

Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression

That's realism, and frankly not popular with much of anyone. But it may be the most we can hope for at this point. It's depressing. How did it come to this?

Late the other night, I was surfing around on the bazillion or so cable channels I have, and it was just overwhelming how liberal-leftist all the popular broadcast crap is. Excepting a few TV preachers (who are all kinda weird, anyways), it all supports the Liberal-Left popular worldview.

People are getting this stuff injected into their heads subliminally. When the Media demonizes whoever the Republicans nominate, a certain portion of the populace will believe that person is the Devil.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at September 19, 2015 09:19 PM (+1T7c)

490 What is a zenith?

A comet?
A lightning bolt?
An asteroid?
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2015 09:15 PM (Db4mp)

--Zenith is the opposite of nadir.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 09:19 PM (vsbNu)

491 "Be careful when you say, "hit me""

Well, since I know DG she won't poke me in the pooker.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 09:21 PM (9ORmX)

492 evening everyone. I'm waking up getting ready for work

He wants an unapologetic, winning America, which is one of the most important foundations anyone could have and you would be hard pressed to find one other candidate who thinks anything even remotely close to that.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 19, 2015 08:45 PM (zc3Db)

I think a good point.

I'm guessing this is in part general attitude from Donald.

Has any other candidate actually said these things or is it to be assumed based on general attitude ?

and, did Donald actually say these things ?

Posted by: dDan at September 19, 2015 09:21 PM (hwYmz)

493 I have an old Zenith console with the cats eye tuner. Also has the speed tuner thingy. Hold the knob and a little motor zooms the dial from one end of the spectrum to the other.

Posted by: Ronster at September 19, 2015 09:21 PM (0qASP)

494 486 460
Zenith: Zenith left the country in 1975, IIRC
So where did they build the Z-89 and the Z-19?
Posted by: Anachronda at September 19, 2015 09:18 PM (o78gS)

No clue.
Since that was basically a Heathkit, my guess would be Japan.
Just a guess, though.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 19, 2015 09:21 PM (M+9nV)

495 My calendar is showing Wednesday 23 September 2015 (next week) as being Yom Kippur. Y'all got it the same way? Is it too late for me to worry?

Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2015 09:21 PM (go5uR)

496 So where did they build the Z-89 and the Z-19?

Posted by: Anachronda
-----------------

Zenith bought Heath. The computers were designed (and built, as far as I know) by Heath, in Benton Harbor

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 19, 2015 09:22 PM (9mTYi)

497 Incidentally, some guy wrote about that kid's "invented" clock and figured out how it was made; basically he pulled the guts out of an existing alarm clock and stuck them in a pencil box. He didn't even build it.

http://tinyurl.com/o3jkz2j

Literally, just the same clock without the case.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 19, 2015 09:23 PM (39g3+)

498 I have an old Zenith console with the cats eye tuner. Also has the speed tuner thingy. Hold the knob and a little motor zooms the dial from one end of the spectrum to the other.
Posted by: Ronster
------------------

Very cool.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 19, 2015 09:23 PM (9mTYi)

499 Well I will attempt to watch Bastard Executioner again.

After finishing Wolverine which I started this morning.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at September 19, 2015 09:23 PM (R4FFC)

500 495 My calendar is showing Wednesday 23 September 2015 (next week) as being Yom Kippur. Y'all got it the same way? Is it too late for me to worry?
Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2015 09:21 PM (go5uR)

I think so. It usually takes 2 or more years to become Jewish.
There might even be math involved.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 19, 2015 09:24 PM (M+9nV)

501 A lot of people seem intent on losing the war, rather than fighting the battles.

Posted by: Mike Hammer

Mike, you and I are probably a older than many of the posters here. I don't mean that to sound condescending, but some small victories might move the so-called Overton window further to the right, and prepare the ground for a more conservative government and electorate in another decade. It's happened before. After the socialism of the LBJ Great Society of the 60's, we got Ronald Reagan 12 years later. It took a frankly moderate Republican like Nixon to get us there.

The pendulum will swing. I just hope there is a country left to fix.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at September 19, 2015 09:24 PM (+1T7c)

502

Ricochet article from the sidebar. Man knows his island . Taking the Sheplar Ferry to Mackinac for fudge and horse droppings. This is the Republican Party I know and love.

Not going there this weekend. Doing the Door County thing instead.

Hoping not to meet any of the candidates in Egg Harbor

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 19, 2015 09:24 PM (r2HxQ)

503 Literally, just the same clock without the case.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor-
---------------------

He is a genius.
I wouldn't be able to do that.

Posted by: Barky at September 19, 2015 09:24 PM (9mTYi)

504 Has any other candidate actually said these things or is it to be assumed based on general attitude ?

I haven't heard any of them saying anything even remotely close and, to me, the assumption for them goes a long way in the opposite direction. Most of them are more likely to apologize reflexively for things they should be proudly pushing.

and, did Donald actually say these things ?

Posted by: dDan at September 19, 2015 09:21 PM (hwYmz)

Many, many times. It's pretty clear that he believes them ... since that is a large part of his personality (and, interestingly, a part that many claim to dislike, probably for the reason mentioned above about the other candidates).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 19, 2015 09:25 PM (zc3Db)

505 Those old cats eye tuners are the bomb !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 19, 2015 09:26 PM (S0bOl)

506 I really enjoyed "Zen Gospel Singing", That was fun. Thanks so much.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2015 08:19 PM (1+XCd)

You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2015 09:28 PM (7MWCL)

507 497
Literally, just the same clock without the case.

So it's OK to hate him because he's only a modder, after all? #ModderGate

Posted by: Anachronda at September 19, 2015 09:28 PM (o78gS)

508 I define "Dark Enlightenment" as the view that the best government is the government that governs its territory best.

Enlightened Despotism

Posted by: SpaceLord Dave - still 97th GCII at September 19, 2015 09:28 PM (DL2i+)

509
The pendulum will swing. I just hope there is a country left to fix.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at September 19, 2015 09:24 PM (+1T7c)

Dude. Righteous. SRSLY.
or
Tell the truth, brother!
or
WAKE THE FVCK UP!
or
(whimper, whimper, glub, glub)

dillweeds.

Posted by: Larry Ellison at September 19, 2015 09:30 PM (KyTfP)

510 Soothie, I never noticed transistor radios had an odor. I have one of the first, around 1957, I believe. Can't remember the make. Admiral maybe.

Posted by: Ronster at September 19, 2015 09:30 PM (0qASP)

511 Incidentally, some guy wrote about that kid's "invented" clock and figured out how it was made; basically he pulled the guts out of an existing alarm clock and stuck them in a pencil box. He didn't even build it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 19, 2015 09:23 PM (39g3+)

Which, appropriately, is very muslim-like. Mo did nothing but steal and plagiarize parts of Judaism and Christianity, perverting them to align more closely with the savage nature of desert arab culture. Then, in order to explain the difference between mo's new bullshit and the original texts mo called Jews and Christians liars and said that they should be killed for lying about the texts that he stole from them and twisted.

Not unlike this kid's clock - steal someone else's idea. Claim it for your own. Pervert it into something strange and primitive. And then go apeshit on anyone who points any of this out, all the while crying like a baby..

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 19, 2015 09:31 PM (zc3Db)

512 Hello modder. Hello fodder.

Posted by: Alan Sherman at September 19, 2015 09:32 PM (W5DcG)

513 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 19, 2015 09:25 PM (zc3Db)

appreciate the response.

Posted by: dDan at September 19, 2015 09:33 PM (hwYmz)

514
Yeah my dad had a Bulova TranSIStor radio and I think the odor was from the wax they dripped in to make things immobile.

Posted by: Larry Ellison at September 19, 2015 09:33 PM (KyTfP)

515
Ron, you never noticed the electronic-y smell from a transistor radio?

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 09:33 PM (Db4mp)

516 512
Hello modder. Hello fodder.

How are you going to rhyme that with Camp Guantanamo?

Posted by: Anachronda at September 19, 2015 09:33 PM (o78gS)

517 Anyone still here? If so, I hate to ask, but I need to ask. Please, if you can, pray for me. I've had such a shit week. I feel like I'm cursed or God is playing some cruel game with me. I hate asking for prayers because I'm not very good at it myself. But, I really need them. Please pray for me.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 19, 2015 09:34 PM (2x3L+)

518 JWB @ 500- 2 years to become a Jew?
We are all Jews at heart, ain't we? But I'm not moving off the Presbyterian reservation. Nothing against Jews, I love em. Well, not the Axelrod kind, but our kind, like here. And Netanyahu and Golda. Like that. What I meant, is the end of the world coinciding with Yom Kippur this year?

Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2015 09:34 PM (go5uR)

519 chemjeff, not sure how I feel about the Bastard Executioner.

Part of me thought it was interesting. The other part is sick of Kurt Sutter and his need to put himself and his wife in his shows. The premiere was ok, but I'm not sure it will hold my interest for an entire season.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at September 19, 2015 09:34 PM (q20+R)

520 Trump is a direct response to boner, mcturtlehead, and captain juan/mittbot 3000?

Nah, couldn't be.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at September 19, 2015 09:34 PM (dOD0J)

521
Not yet a Trump fan, but his position on the 2nd Amendment made me sit right up and decide to really LOOK and LISTEN.

Plus the fact he is always edifying his country doesn't hurt.

He and Cruz, in no particular order.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 19, 2015 09:35 PM (jeCnD)

522 TD Cardinal!

Stanford takes the lead.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 09:35 PM (vsbNu)

523
okay, L.

You're not cursed. Trials and tribulations...

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 09:35 PM (Db4mp)

524 Posted by: L, Elle at September 19, 2015 09:34 PM (2x3L+)

You have my prayers. Prayer can get us through so much. Do not be afraid to ask for it.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at September 19, 2015 09:36 PM (q20+R)

525 Which, appropriately, is very muslim-like. Mo did nothing but steal and plagiarize parts of Judaism and Christianity, perverting them to align more closely with the savage nature of desert arab culture.

That's a good assessment. Muhammed was raised with heavy Christian and Jewish influences and basically he borrowed what he could remember, mixed it up with Arabic culture and religion, and made a blend.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 19, 2015 09:36 PM (39g3+)

526 I have another old console radio. Airline is the brand, sold at Montgomery Wards. Made to work off 6 volts (Wincharger power) or 115 AC.

Posted by: Ronster at September 19, 2015 09:36 PM (0qASP)

527 Ronster, Karl...club?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 09:36 PM (9ORmX)

528 God be with you Elle, and remember to grasp to His promises and the doing and dying of Jesus Christ. He will see you through.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 19, 2015 09:37 PM (39g3+)

529 Rd-One of the things that the "Great Satan" did was give women the vote? You don't think there are millions of American women who voted for every single Republican candidate for the past 30 years. On a forum where at least 25% (I don't know-more?) are women posters don't you think it might be better to suggest other things that the Great Satan is more likely to be responsible for? LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2015 09:37 PM (1+XCd)

530 EMERGENCY Prayers up to L, Elle
Calm her soul.
Help us Lord.

Posted by: Larry Ellison at September 19, 2015 09:37 PM (KyTfP)

531 Thanks sooth. My trials and tribulations are not the run of the mill trials and tribulations. I have had to get a lawyer involved to help me this week. And now I picked up scabies somehow from somewhere. Probably some stupid illegal or dirty Muslim. I'm so miserable. I'm all itchy and I can't barely tolerate it.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 19, 2015 09:38 PM (2x3L+)

532 And prayers for you, L, Llle. Tough to see GOD'S WILL in some things, but it's there. Romans 8:26-30. Geneva Bible.

Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2015 09:38 PM (go5uR)

533 Here's something I love the smell of. My father has an old American Flyer train set. The semi-burning electronic smell of that train combined with the fake locomotive smoke smell brings back such joy. I'm sad that he no longer sets it up.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at September 19, 2015 09:38 PM (q20+R)

534 Good evening, fellow 'Rons and 'Ettes!

Just a reminder that we're planning a reprise of last year's SW Ohio MoMe:

Saturday evening, October 17, 7-10 (ish), Beavercreek (I've also locked down a better venue).

Interested parties please let me know: swohmome @ mail.com (no spaces).

Thanks!

Posted by: speedster1 at September 19, 2015 09:39 PM (1brdf)

535 I will be glad to pray for you, L Elle. People are sometimes shy about asking for prayer. They shouldn't be. That's a very important thing that all people of religious faith can do for each other.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2015 09:40 PM (1+XCd)

536 531 Thanks sooth. My trials and tribulations are not the run of the mill trials and tribulations. I have had to get a lawyer involved to help me this week. And now I picked up scabies somehow from somewhere. Probably some stupid illegal or dirty Muslim. I'm so miserable. I'm all itchy and I can't barely tolerate it.
Posted by: L, Elle at September 19, 2015 09:38 PM (2x3L+)

--Damn, sorry to hear. I've heard scabies is Not Fun. May need to induce a Benadryl stupor until it can be fixed.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 09:41 PM (vsbNu)

537 Ozone: Good, Bad, or Lawyered UP?

Posted by: Larry Ellison at September 19, 2015 09:41 PM (KyTfP)

538 Ron, you never noticed the electronic-y smell from a transistor radio?
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September

Well, to be honest, it could have been there, but that was a long time ago.l Memory fails me.

Posted by: Ronster at September 19, 2015 09:41 PM (0qASP)

539 {{{{{L, Elle}}}}}

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 19, 2015 09:42 PM (KCxzN)

540 Posted by: L, Elle at September 19, 2015 09:38 PM (2x3L+)

That really sucks. I hope everything works out in your favor as quickly as possible.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 19, 2015 09:42 PM (zc3Db)

541 The other is like this, AM & Shortwave: http://tinyurl.com/pftpbma

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 19, 2015 09:12 PM (9mTYi)

I have a 7H822 (IIRC), which is an AM-FM successor to the first link, and an 8G005 TransOceanic. That's the last one with the Loktal tubes in it. Both play, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2015 09:43 PM (7MWCL)

542 Not yet a Trump fan, but his position on the 2nd Amendment made me sit right up and decide to really LOOK and LISTEN.

Plus the fact he is always edifying his country doesn't hurt.

He and Cruz, in no particular order.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 19, 2015 09:35 PM (jeCnD)

Also in regard to other comments above, Trump is here BECAUSE we've been settling. McCain. Romney. Turtle. Boner. We settle for people who eventually flat out say they're gonna screw us.

I'm tired of settling. I settled with my ex. I settled with my career. And now I may have to settle if a candidate is moderate or center-left? Fuck that shit.

If the nation has gone center left or moderate, that means it's messed up. You don't settle for messed up. You fix it, or take as many scum down with you as you can.

Posted by: Blano at September 19, 2015 09:43 PM (heN73)

543 We were just talking to L'elle.

What happened?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 09:43 PM (9ORmX)

544 Posted by: L, Elle at September 19, 2015 09:38 PM (2x3L+)

Will do.

Posted by: Blano at September 19, 2015 09:44 PM (heN73)

545 Ronster, Karl...club?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill

I'm in.

Posted by: Ronster at September 19, 2015 09:44 PM (0qASP)

546 L'elle, you okay?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 09:45 PM (9ORmX)

547 Thanks you guys. I actually feel slightly better already. I'm engaged in some kind of spiritual warfare or something. I think it's because of the work I'm involved in (pro life). Some force is wreaking havoc in my life. I'm dealing with bizarro world stuff, and it's very hard. Thank you so much.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 19, 2015 09:47 PM (2x3L+)

548 L, elle, I pray your relief from the worry, aggrevation, and distress will be swift, and relief from the causes be soon, I pray. And, dear Lord, make her lawyer worthy.

Posted by: mindful webworker was passing by at September 19, 2015 09:47 PM (ACs58)

549 L'elle, Ronster, I'm a gonna have to drive up some day and visit.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 09:48 PM (9ORmX)

550 @533 You're playing with fire and not just blowing smoke there, Dange.
There's a long-running spat between devotees of Big Trains (Flyer, Marx, and those darn junky Lionels) about whose smoke smells best. It's kind of a Thing.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 19, 2015 09:49 PM (xq1UY)

551 I have an old Zenith console with the cats eye tuner. Also has the speed tuner thingy. Hold the knob and a little motor zooms the dial from one end of the spectrum to the other.
Posted by: Ronster
------------------

Very cool.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 19, 2015 09:23 PM (9mTYi)

Indeed. There was some pretty amazing tech in some of those old high-dollar consoles. And some of them cost as much as a car, back in the day. And there were also cheap-ass consoles, basically a table radio in a large box.

I think the smell of old transistor radios comes from the phenolic printed circuit board.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2015 09:49 PM (7MWCL)

552 L'Elle, you scared me.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 09:49 PM (9ORmX)

553
L,Elle

"Come to me, all you who are weary and heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your soul, for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.

The words of Jesus in Matthew 11:28 -30

Hope I quoted that right.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 19, 2015 09:50 PM (r2HxQ)

554 L'elle, don't let the devil get you down. That's what my mom has always said. The devil will try to make you stop your good deeds any way he can. Fight him with all you are.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at September 19, 2015 09:50 PM (q20+R)

555 L. Elle, hand in there & chin up

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at September 19, 2015 09:50 PM (fgSDS)

556 Posted by: L, Elle at September 19, 2015 09:34 PM (2x3L+)
..........................
518 JWB @ 500- 2 years to become a Jew?
We are all Jews at heart, ain't we? But I'm not moving off the Presbyterian reservation. Nothing against Jews, I love em. Well, not the Axelrod kind, but our kind, like here. And Netanyahu and Golda. Like that. What I meant, is the end of the world coinciding with Yom Kippur this year?
Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2015 09:34 PM (go5uR)

L, Elle: Done. Hope it has a positive effect.

Eromero: My Jewish friends tell me that there is a lot of study involved. There are a lot of books that are not covered in the Bible.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 19, 2015 09:50 PM (M+9nV)

557 Saved by the [ /i][ /u][ /s][ /b]jwb7605, I hope.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 19, 2015 09:52 PM (M+9nV)

558 You're playing with fire and not just blowing smoke there, Dange.
There's
a long-running spat between devotees of Big Trains (Flyer, Marx, and
those darn junky Lionels) about whose smoke smells best. It's kind of a
Thing.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 19, 2015 09:49 PM (xq1UY)

Hey, I ain't got no dog in this fight. I didn't even know train smell was a thing. I just know my papa broke out the AF set every Christmas for many, many years (he was a child when he got the set) when I was growing up. The smell has seared itself in my memory.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at September 19, 2015 09:52 PM (q20+R)

559 I'm a gonna have to drive up some day and visit.

That would be great.

Posted by: Ronster at September 19, 2015 09:52 PM (0qASP)

560 L'Elle, you listening?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 09:53 PM (9ORmX)

561 Meghan McCain is huge Fiorina fan. Any questions?

Posted by: Wigglesworth at September 19, 2015 09:53 PM (z8IzG)

562 547 Thanks you guys. I actually feel slightly better already. I'm engaged in some kind of spiritual warfare or something. I think it's because of the work I'm involved in (pro life). Some force is wreaking havoc in my life. I'm dealing with bizarro world stuff, and it's very hard. Thank you so much.
Posted by: L, Elle at September 19, 2015 09:47 PM (2x3L+)

----------------------

You're deep into enemy territory. Expect flaming arrows. I will pray that the arrows will be extinguished and fall harmless at your feet.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 19, 2015 09:54 PM (r2HxQ)

563 OF COURSE Fiorina destroyed HP. Stock price is not an accurate prediction of destruction; for example many companies on the brink of extinction had sound stock prices right up to the collapse.

WHY Fiorina was horrible: typical shrikish career woman with no knowledge at all of engineering gutting research for a short term payoff and changing the culture of the company to short-term stock gooses vs. the engineering culture that made HP a consecutive leader in calculators, printers, computers, besides just services.

Question: post Fiorina how will HP be competitive in Cloud Services vs. Amazon, Google, etc.? IBM by contrast has kept much of its engineering culture.

Fiorina btw is loathed with a passion by those who had the misfortune to work with her; she's the reverse Steve Jobs. All the horrible people skills and obnoxious with 100% less talent and product intuition.

Fiorina is however the perfect encapsulation of the Beltway Republicans: working class White people are inferior and must be eradicated or drowned in a pool of the third world because if they were anything they'd have gone to Stanford or Harvard.

She's horrible. HILLARY is more of a woman and human being.

Posted by: Whiskey at September 19, 2015 09:54 PM (PO8w6)

564 Prayers when in spiritual warfare:

http://tinyurl.com/ocpcpu9

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2015 09:54 PM (1+XCd)

565
my Lionel HO trains had a smell, too

nice memories

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 09:56 PM (Db4mp)

566 Well, I'm going to go to town (Dawson Creek) and get a meal and buy some groceries. Maybe I will visit the ONT.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2015 09:56 PM (7MWCL)

567
Remote control race car tracks...

You telling me no one ever sniffed the cars after they went around the track??

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 09:57 PM (Db4mp)

568 Meghan McCain ugh

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at September 19, 2015 09:57 PM (fgSDS)

569 Oh, for the luvva...

Microsoft Donates A Huge Bunch Of Computer Goodies To 'Clock Kid' Ahmed
http://bit.ly/1JiaSfx

I hope it's all 1980s vintage, like "his" clock.
http://bit.ly/1WaYPtR

Posted by: mindful webworker - sooper genius, too at September 19, 2015 09:57 PM (ACs58)

570 563 so, to summarize, Fiorina = bad?

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2015 09:57 PM (e3bId)

571
I'ma gonna stop talking now..

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 19, 2015 09:57 PM (Db4mp)

572 "She's horrible. HILLARY is more of a woman and human being."

I don't think I would go that far.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at September 19, 2015 09:58 PM (dOD0J)

573 You telling me no one ever sniffed the cars after they went around the track??
Posted by: Soothsayer

Getting a little personal there.

Posted by: Ronster at September 19, 2015 09:58 PM (0qASP)

574 L'elle, you better respond.

Ronster, one day I'll say "fuck it" and haul ass us 287. And then you'll be stuck with me.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 09:58 PM (9ORmX)

575

There's a 50th year high school class reunion in the hotel where I am staying. The cover band just started. Music from 1965. What's not to love. I think I might go crash it.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 19, 2015 09:59 PM (r2HxQ)

576 She's horrible. HILLARY is more of a woman and human being.

Posted by: Whiskey at September 19, 2015 09:54 PM (PO8w6)

Thank you for your concern....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 19, 2015 09:59 PM (Zu3d9)

577 I am Ricardo. I'm distracted by my itching skin. I'd love that. Hopefully the scabies will be gone so I don't infect you. All the CO meet ups are too far away from me so I haven't gone to one. I can't believe I have m effing scabies. This is third world level shit.

It feels like I'm getting biblical level plagues sent to me. I'm so weak. I'm a compromised person and it feels like evil forces know it and that's why this stuff is happening to me. I am such a failed messenger and worker. Someone else should be doing this work. Someone good and strong. I have seriously considered quitting just make all the bad stuff stop

Posted by: L, Elle at September 19, 2015 10:00 PM (2x3L+)

578 Well, I'm going to go to town (Dawson Creek) and ...
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

*types*
*deletes*
*laughs*
*still laughs*

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 19, 2015 10:00 PM (JmGFJ)

579 If you like offense, Stanford-USC is for you.

If you prefer defense, tune in to Ole Miss-Alabama.

Posted by: logprof at September 19, 2015 10:01 PM (vsbNu)

580 Ronster, one day I'll say "fuck it" and haul ass us 287. And then you'll be stuck with me.

Fine with me. Six months maximum.

Posted by: Ronster at September 19, 2015 10:01 PM (0qASP)

581 Microsoft Donates A Huge Bunch Of Computer Goodies To 'Clock Kid' Ahmed
http://bit.ly/1JiaSfx

Posted by: mindful webworker - sooper genius, too at September 19, 2015 09:57 PM (ACs5

You know who would love and appreciate all those new toys?

This guy.

Son of a bitch. If all I knew I had to do was take apart a clock, make it look like a bomb, and bring it to school, I would have done that years ago.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 10:02 PM (AkOaV)

582 Dear L Elle-

Consider going to this site and putting in a prayer request. Scroll down on site to middle for "prayer request" It is the Brooklyn Tabernacle Church- a non denominational church in NY. It was built up from about 20 people to thousands and the pastor who started it said that he attributes it all to the grace of God and continuing prayer. The people who volunteer for this prayer ministry take it very seriously. They also have huge prayer meetings once a week :

https://www.brooklyntabernacle.org

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2015 10:02 PM (1+XCd)

583 The earliest home radio sets didn't smell much, since they were battery only. When they started to catch on, they picked up some pretty hefty warm transformers, to run on house current, and there was a lot of tarry resin involved. For one brief shining moment in the 40's, radio chassis were designed to run on 115 AC, and them babies would really smell up the place once they were broke in.

Yes, transistors had a smell, but radio fans were used to smells. They probably smelled less.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 19, 2015 10:02 PM (xq1UY)

584 578 Well, I'm going to go to town (Dawson Creek) and ...
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

*types*
*deletes*
*laughs*
*still laughs*

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 19, 2015 10:00 PM (JmGFJ)

Yeah, I went to the Wikipedia page and considered going "Be sure to say 'hi' to Pacey and Joey," But didn't think many would get it.

Posted by: buzzion at September 19, 2015 10:02 PM (zt+N6)

585 " I am such a failed messenger and worker. "

Shut up. Your good.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 10:03 PM (9ORmX)

586 The only upside is that my work is seeing results. That worthless piece of shit McConnell is finally going to take up the 20 weeks bill in the Senate. And they might maybe try to do something to defund PP.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 19, 2015 10:04 PM (2x3L+)

587 L, you may have noticed a bit of my tagline on weekdays...well, for those in your position, the full quote from Eph 6:10-17 is in order:

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

Even the non-believers out there wold do well to understand what this means. We're not up against just people. It's ways of thinking, something fundamental, in human nature or whatever. You have to be strong in what you believe--whatever that may be--and not be shaken.

It's not an easy road. If it was, we'd never have got this far down the wrong one.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at September 19, 2015 10:05 PM (m9V0o)

588 nood

ONT

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 19, 2015 10:05 PM (KCxzN)

589 Thanks Fenelon. That is just what I need. I'll go do that. Thank you.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 19, 2015 10:06 PM (2x3L+)

590 L, ain't nobody gonna make the Congress work better.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 10:06 PM (9ORmX)

591 L, Elle, I'm not good at this stuff either, but went off to the dark end of the house, calmed my mind, and said a prayer for you.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 19, 2015 10:06 PM (S0bOl)

592 I am such a failed messenger and worker

No you aren't. God put it in your heart to do it. Most of the most important workers in Scripture were people who were not strong and a lot of them considering they had handicaps-Moses said he couldn't speak. The prophets were often saying they were other too young or too old or that God make a mistake. Paul was complicit in the murder of Christians before he became on and said he had a thorn on his flesh. The disciples all ran away (well, the women stayed at the cross) yet they were empowered with the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and gave their lives to the ministry. Since God empowered you God will equip you and bring you through these challenges. Give it all to God and rely upon God's strength when you don't have any of your own. Ask for prayers from pastors and church people you may know too. Ask for prayer from fell workers in the pro life movement.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2015 10:09 PM (1+XCd)

593 Son of a bitch. If all I knew I had to do was take apart a clock, make it look like a bomb, and bring it to school, I would have done that years ago.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 19, 2015 10:02 PM (AkOaV)

DUDE! it's a MEME! Ride it to mega millions: Guaranteed!

Posted by: Larry Ellison at September 19, 2015 10:09 PM (KyTfP)

594 crap.

Posted by: Larry Ellison at September 19, 2015 10:10 PM (KyTfP)

595 You guys are the bestest. That's why I hang out at this place.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 19, 2015 10:10 PM (2x3L+)

596 Posted by: L, Elle at September 19, 2015 10:10 PM (2x3L+)

There are lots of good people around here.....including you.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 19, 2015 10:11 PM (Zu3d9)

597 "You guys are the bestest. That's why I hang out at this place.

We suck.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 19, 2015 10:12 PM (9ORmX)

598 It's why all of us hang out here, one way or another.

Off to the nood then.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 19, 2015 10:13 PM (S0bOl)

599 No, I suck. I have scabies. I feel like a leper. I have some medieval disease. You guys don't suck. You're the good ones without horrible diseases.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 19, 2015 10:15 PM (2x3L+)

600 599 No, I suck. I have scabies. I feel like a leper. I have some medieval disease. You guys don't suck. You're the good ones without horrible diseases.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 19, 2015 10:15 PM (2x3L+)

You're not a leper. Its not a medieval disease. From Wikipedia there are about 300 million cases around the world each year. And "The mites are distributed around the world and equally infect all ages, races, and socioeconomic classes in different climates"

Posted by: buzzion at September 19, 2015 10:22 PM (zt+N6)

601 FenelonSpoke: Prayers when in spiritual warfare:
http://tinyurl.com/ocpcpu9

I appreciate that you can pull this stuff up, FS. Sometimes I even read them, short attn spn notwithstng.

♥

L, Elle: I am such a failed messenger and worker. Someone else should be doing this work. Someone good and strong.

One day at a time. One hour at a time. One moment at a time. Count your blessings, as you find them, and be grateful. Focus on those bright spots and good times. From this draw your strength.

If you have been called upon, you will persevere.

Mark 9.21 And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child. And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us. Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

Posted by: mindful webworker at September 19, 2015 10:23 PM (ACs58)

602 I have a Zenith Trans Oceanic, with tubes and a giant battery. Works fine. Good friend gave it to me and my late husband for Christmas one year.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 19, 2015 10:36 PM (Lqy/e)

603 L,elle,

In Isaiah, it says "When you go through the fire I will be with you. When you go through the waters, I will be with you". It does not say "if" but when. And it does not say you will stay there, but that you will go through them. God loves you and is with you always, and will get you through this. We will be praying with you.

I always feel better if I call a prayer line. A good prayer line is 1-816-969-2000.

Posted by: Chillin the most at September 19, 2015 10:48 PM (BI43k)

604 Regarding Carly, I used to like her 2nd best after Cruz, but no longer. She comes across as an unpleasant know-it-all sourpuss. I've never heard her use humor effectively. She's also way too liberal for my taste. She criticized Cruz during the shutdown which shows she's not ready to lead. She'd be just like McConnell and Boehner, or possibly worse.

Posted by: Mr. Hardick at September 19, 2015 11:02 PM (OxTmY)

605 fiorina's political philosophy is pretty much in line with lindsey's, and other than him she is absolutely the most liberal republican candidate running. she's the epidome of a beltway republican if there ever was one.

Posted by: uglykidmoe at September 19, 2015 11:59 PM (7W0xe)

606 Ok, so her record as a business executive is not perfect. How would you describe Obama's business record? Bill Clinton's business record? Hillary's business record? Oh ... non-existent? What about George Bush's record? Eh ... not so very good, either, right?

But Mitt Romney, who had a stellar business record, was the guy who got elected ... NOT!!!

Let it go, folks. Business experience has this much relevance to presidential elections: 0. Zero, zip, nada. It is not important. It is less than important. Carly could be a brilliant politician even if her business record was a total disaster (and it wasn't) ... So let's not judge her based on her business record.

Posted by: debiesam at September 20, 2015 12:19 AM (/vQ6I)

607 >>>she's the epidome of a beltway republican if there ever was one.

So the beltway republican is interested in cutting funding for Planned Parenthood? Would get rid of the Iran deal on day 1?

I think you're smoking something.

Posted by: debiesam at September 20, 2015 12:22 AM (/vQ6I)

608 Sooth, it's ....interesting...that the "creative destruction" "of capitalism is to be applauded, but the CEO's at the helm during a period where many computer companies were undergoing upheaval due to titanic technological and demographic change are ...not just IRRESPONSIBLE, but INCOMPETENT because the creative destruction we applaud bit them on the ass.

Do I have that right?

Posted by: Noam Sayen at September 20, 2015 01:08 AM (FkgZk)

609 600 599 No, I suck. I have scabies. I feel like a leper. I have some medieval disease. You guys don't suck. You're the good ones without horrible diseases.

***********

I went to the Clinic at my university once, and told the doc I thought I had scabies.

He told me, "Nahhh..you've just got crabs".

I was SOOOO relieved!

Posted by: Noam Sayen at September 20, 2015 01:10 AM (FkgZk)

610 I didn't see the chart that compared money supply during that time. It is my understanding they were printing up $60 billion in cash and giving it to institutional investors each month. They could buy more bonds, purchase stocks or commodities - they obviously shunned HP. Comparatively speaking, she threw HP in the garbage disposal.

Posted by: doug at September 20, 2015 01:31 AM (j+2nz)

611 Obama has said he is passing the mid-east debacle on. Hell, that's not half of it. This economy is a burning house of cards and this admin is throwing gas on it. They will keep throwing gas on it till the election.

------
They will be throwing gas on it until 11:59 am on January 20, 2017. Obama's last days in office will be breathtakingly horrid.

Posted by: The Waco Kid at September 20, 2015 03:44 AM (EARfr)

612 Defense of Fiorina is inapt. She is despised by former employees not just for the mass layoffs, but also for destroying the HP culture. And shareholders have suffered mightily.

The comparison to Dell and Sun was cherry-picked. Dell got China'd and Sun had basically one product that was legacy technology. Here's a broader comparison:

http://tinyurl.com/failorina

Posted by: WC Varones at September 20, 2015 08:12 AM (gycxw)

613 ... and the time frame is cherry-picked too. It ends in 2010, while HP is down even more since then.

Posted by: WC Varones at September 20, 2015 08:16 AM (gycxw)

614 607 >>>she's the epidome of a beltway republican if there ever was one.

So the beltway republican is interested in cutting funding for Planned Parenthood? Would get rid of the Iran deal on day 1?

I think you're smoking something.

whatever, here ya go professor...

lol, fiorina is tied with christie for 2nd to last place and only beats last place lindsey at conservative review. as well spoken as she is, she's a fuckin joke with regards to conservative values. she gets tagged as "bad" with budget, spending & debt, at education, at energy & environment, at free market, at health care, at immigration, at moral issues, and lastly taxes, economy and trade. she does no better than "mixed" with the other 5 metrics.

Posted by: uglykidmoe at September 20, 2015 11:19 AM (7W0xe)

615 Guess I am the dunce but I look at that chart and HP went from +50 reinvestment to -50 under her tutelage then nearly recovered to its previous reinvestment levels post Carly.

Posted by: JohnMc at September 21, 2015 12:00 AM (RHBWt)

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