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The Demise Of Trump Means The Rise Of Jeb
Yes, yes. Everyone has been predicting the End of Trump since before he even announced. But it's over. The high-water mark has been reached and now the long slow retreat begins. His performance on Wednesday was beyond ridiculous. He knows nothing. His grasp of current affairs is beneath a Twitter troll's.
Now he's backing out today's Heritage Action forum. He'd have to stand on a stage (or sit at a desk, whatever the set up is) and answer actual policy questions. We saw on Wednesday he simply can't do that. He has two modes...insult and claim he will do great things by hiring great people. Those aren't actual demonstrations of knowledge. "But that doesn't mean Jeb," you'll cry plaintively. Yeah, it does. Carly and Carson will run up front for awhile but they too will fade. Carson isn't any better on policy than Trump and Carly, while terrific, A- doesn't have much money and B- will get hit on the whole HP layoff business as well as doing deals with Iran. There's literally a whole oppo book on her and it will all get tossed out there. So we will see a repeat of 2012...flavors of the month rising and falling. Meanwhile the establishment favorite, loaded down with cash will just bump along watching the grassroots challengers come and go. He'll deep into his war chest every now and then to help the more stubborn ones along their path to oblivion with a well placed negative ad or two thousand. Which brings me to your next objection: "Ah but you forget...RUBIO!" Yes, Rubio.
Rubio With His Pals Announcing Their Amnesty BillComments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2015 01:00 PM (NOIQH)
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Anyone who supported (even as an F.U.) Trump will not fall in line behind Jeb.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2015 01:01 PM (NOIQH)
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3rd?
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 18, 2015 01:01 PM (E5UB0)
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Corgis called
Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2015 01:02 PM (rIQuo)
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Well fire away because I'm not voting for another Bush.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 18, 2015 01:02 PM (4ErVI)
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Si.
Posted by: Jeb! at September 18, 2015 01:02 PM (NF2Bf)
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 18, 2015 01:02 PM (sJuWI)
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Nope Kasich
Posted by: bestie21 at September 18, 2015 01:02 PM (fIz+0)
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His performance on Wednesday was beyond ridiculous. He knows nothing. He's grasp of current affairs is beneath a Twitter troll's.
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TDS.
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TDS.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 18, 2015 01:02 PM (E5UB0)
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It better not be Jeb, because if it is, I am sitting this one out, and I won't be the only one.
Posted by: Beef at September 18, 2015 01:03 PM (/q4N3)
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Wow. Way to bring me down.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 18, 2015 01:03 PM (oKE6c)
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5 Well fire away because I'm not voting for another Bush.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 18, 2015 01:02 PM (4ErVI)
Neither is Drew, he's voting Libertarian. So this is just Horde-baiting.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 18, 2015 01:02 PM (4ErVI)
Neither is Drew, he's voting Libertarian. So this is just Horde-baiting.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 18, 2015 01:03 PM (sJuWI)
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So . . . Cruz is out?
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 18, 2015 01:03 PM (ZvKdv)
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Let act of love in your mouth.
Posted by: Jeb! at September 18, 2015 01:03 PM (NF2Bf)
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No no a thousand times no!!!
Posted by: Ohiovoter at September 18, 2015 01:03 PM (WyntQ)
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I hate the GOPe with the white hot hate of 1,000 suns. About the same level I reserve for Democrats, socialists and commies.
Posted by: the Butcher at September 18, 2015 01:03 PM (fUjxW)
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I'd rather jerk off with a steel glove than vote for the Jebacle.
Posted by: Furious George at September 18, 2015 01:03 PM (UlJ3l)
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I did some breathing excercises at lunch and centered myself.
Posted by: LibertarianJim at September 18, 2015 01:03 PM (XMDuf)
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Yeah. I've been thinking Jeb will win no matter what. The donor class has been doing this a lot longer than we have.
The question is: will Hillary or Biden be the Dem nominee.
The question is: will Hillary or Biden be the Dem nominee.
Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression at September 18, 2015 01:03 PM (Z+7WE)
Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2015 01:03 PM (NOIQH)
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Yay!
Posted by: flugelhornpater at September 18, 2015 01:04 PM (ZtFr+)
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Ah, Drew, you fixed it too quickly.
Posted by: LibertarianJim at September 18, 2015 01:04 PM (XMDuf)
Posted by: @votermom at September 18, 2015 01:04 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 18, 2015 01:04 PM (sJuWI)
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Well it's back to hoping for the real SMOD to get in the race.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 18, 2015 01:04 PM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 18, 2015 01:04 PM (E5UB0)
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It won't be Jeb. Rubio maybe, but not Jeb.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 18, 2015 01:05 PM (+aCe4)
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yuck, if true. I'd like to think it's too early to say.
Posted by: mallfly at September 18, 2015 01:05 PM (qSIlh)
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This is an easy prediction, because of course that will happen. Of course we will end up with the one guy who will for certain hand the next election to the democrats because even Republicans don't want another Bush as president. This is the way Republicans have been doing politics since Reagan left office.
Here's to hoping you're wrong. But you aren't wrong. But here's to hoping you are and by some miracle Ted Cruz becomes President.
Here's to hoping you're wrong. But you aren't wrong. But here's to hoping you are and by some miracle Ted Cruz becomes President.
Posted by: Sambo at September 18, 2015 01:05 PM (9UV3C)
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Carly did deals with Iran you say? OMG!! She should have just given them $150 billion and some nukes.
Posted by: Dancing Queen at September 18, 2015 01:05 PM (+/zXg)
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Witness the power of this fully operational Jeb! battle station!
*click*
*click*
*clikityclickityclickity*
Alright - who took the batteries from the remote?
*click*
*click*
*clikityclickityclickity*
Alright - who took the batteries from the remote?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Stock up on Trumpian Terrors from the Outrage Outlet! at September 18, 2015 01:05 PM (hLRSq)
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It's not going to be Jeb, because people like me, who always told anyone who threatened to walk away from the Republican party that they were fools, WILL WALK FROM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, if it's that RINO asshole Jeb.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:05 PM (DUoqb)
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!Jeb!
Yay.
Better hone up on my espanol so that I can understand his answers at press conferences.
Yay.
Better hone up on my espanol so that I can understand his answers at press conferences.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:05 PM (AkOaV)
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Anyway, how many times has Trump been declared dead now?
Honestly, I've lost count.
It's like betting the stock market will go up--100% of the time you'll run out of money before it happens.
Honestly, I've lost count.
It's like betting the stock market will go up--100% of the time you'll run out of money before it happens.
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 18, 2015 01:05 PM (ZvKdv)
Posted by: @votermom at September 18, 2015 01:05 PM (cbfNE)
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If it's Jeb, I'm writing in Trump whether he's running or not.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 18, 2015 01:05 PM (E5UB0)
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Yes, because if there's one thing Trump is known for, it's slinking off in a corner and admitting he's a loser. /sarc
He wants to win this. And we have a very long ways to go. And, the demise of Trump has been predicted on a regular basis since he entered the race. We'll see but I do not think you are right.
He wants to win this. And we have a very long ways to go. And, the demise of Trump has been predicted on a regular basis since he entered the race. We'll see but I do not think you are right.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (Lqy/e)
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Ace just told us yesterday Jeb is going third party wth?
Meanwhile Hot Air has a story up--Obama has invited trans gender activist, and a nun activist that's kind of okay with euthanasia and abortion.
The Vatican is protesting the guest list.
Meanwhile Hot Air has a story up--Obama has invited trans gender activist, and a nun activist that's kind of okay with euthanasia and abortion.
The Vatican is protesting the guest list.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (mcm0N)
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An aristocratic oligarchy, if you can keep it.
Posted by: Shit Benjamin Franklin Said, Vol XII at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (ZtFr+)
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13 So . . . Cruz is out?
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 18, 2015 01:03 PM (ZvKdv)
Actually he's #2 in money and has been making overtures to a number of different groups to build a broad coalition. I'd like him to speak a little less lawyerly and a little more down-home though. He's going to be the grassroots guy they're going to try to take out.
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 18, 2015 01:03 PM (ZvKdv)
Actually he's #2 in money and has been making overtures to a number of different groups to build a broad coalition. I'd like him to speak a little less lawyerly and a little more down-home though. He's going to be the grassroots guy they're going to try to take out.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (tAYH3)
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And Biden will have his Trans-Am up on blocks in front of the White House for the next four years.
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (5npD/)
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Trump is finished has been the mantra for weeks, but amazingly, he always fools the intelligentsia, and returns to earth leading the great unwashed proletariat because they are the stupid rubes who go for anything, and that anything is The Donald!
Trump is finished has been the mantra for weeks, but amazingly, he always fools the intelligentsia, and returns to earth leading the great unwashed proletariat because they are the stupid rubes who go for anything, and that anything is The Donald!
Posted by: Doctor Fish at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (OiFtZ)
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From Trump to Jeb
That's like watching Cutler in the fourth quarter for the win
That's like watching Cutler in the fourth quarter for the win
Posted by: Ncj at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (NhqyL)
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Now maybe you'll start to show some respect to the Trumpeteers. There is a reason behind their support.
P.S. Trump isn't going anywhere much to your chagrin.
P.S. Trump isn't going anywhere much to your chagrin.
Posted by: NJRob at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (ybdX+)
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Jeb has shown himself to be as bad a candidate as hillary. Rubio maybe, Walker maybe, but never Jeb.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (DUoqb)
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Anyone who supported (even as an F.U.) Trump will not fall in line behind Jeb.
Posted by: Lizzy
Yep. Most especially the "Eff U" supporters--Jeb is everything that crowd doesn't want.
Posted by: Lizzy
Yep. Most especially the "Eff U" supporters--Jeb is everything that crowd doesn't want.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (/Ho8c)
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32 It's not going to be Jeb, because people like me, who always told anyone who threatened to walk away from the Republican party that they were fools, WILL WALK FROM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, if it's that RINO asshole Jeb.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:05 PM (DUoqb)
Oh, I don't think Drew is saying Jeb! will win in the general, just that Jeb! will be the nominee.
Which is kind of how I've felt for a while now, but for different reasons then what Drew is laying out.
Essentially because the donors and the strategists are very good at steering primary results (see: Romney in 2012 for the best example)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:05 PM (DUoqb)
Oh, I don't think Drew is saying Jeb! will win in the general, just that Jeb! will be the nominee.
Which is kind of how I've felt for a while now, but for different reasons then what Drew is laying out.
Essentially because the donors and the strategists are very good at steering primary results (see: Romney in 2012 for the best example)
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (AkOaV)
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First of all I think Trump was always a heal to get Bush elected.
Second Bush is not going to get elected.
Third I was very disappointed in Carson he seemed tired.
So round and round and back to Kasich. He did look presidential.
Second Bush is not going to get elected.
Third I was very disappointed in Carson he seemed tired.
So round and round and back to Kasich. He did look presidential.
Posted by: bestie21 at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (fIz+0)
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Eh, maybe, I guess. But one thing I have learned is that someone's confidence in a proclamation is by no means indicative of its accuracy.
If anything, on a large enough unknown, there is probably a negative correlation because confidence tends to mean ideology or religion. Or what is sometimes called PSYCHOLOGICAL BAGGAGE.
Time will tell. As it always does.
If anything, on a large enough unknown, there is probably a negative correlation because confidence tends to mean ideology or religion. Or what is sometimes called PSYCHOLOGICAL BAGGAGE.
Time will tell. As it always does.
Posted by: Tommy V at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (SRQwr)
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Rubio is the VP anyway it comes down.
Posted by: bestie21 at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (fIz+0)
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I would vote for Bernie before Jeb.
May as well throw gasoline on the fire at this point.
May as well throw gasoline on the fire at this point.
Posted by: navybrat at September 18, 2015 01:07 PM (ETxiG)
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Like I said the other day: Judicial Watch rolled a natural 20 against Hillary!, Biden will be the nominee.
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 18, 2015 01:07 PM (5npD/)
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VM, I put a link in my nic for a scott adams blog on Trump's name calling.
Think I found it in WZ comments.
Think I found it in WZ comments.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 18, 2015 01:07 PM (sJuWI)
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And Trump is not gong anywhere yet. The people now counting him out...like Drew, were Trump haters from the get go.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:07 PM (DUoqb)
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45 Jeb has shown himself to be as bad a candidate as hillary. Rubio maybe, Walker maybe, but never Jeb.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (DUoqb)
Walker will be out soon unless he gets some "angel investor" type donors from somewhere.
Rubio... yeah, I could see that.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (DUoqb)
Walker will be out soon unless he gets some "angel investor" type donors from somewhere.
Rubio... yeah, I could see that.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:07 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at September 18, 2015 01:07 PM (IfSin)
Posted by: Roland THTG at September 18, 2015 01:07 PM (QM5S2)
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Yo!
Posted by: Yo! at September 18, 2015 01:07 PM (GwIKd)
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Some moron floated a theory a couple of months ago that Jeb is just a stalking horse and that Rubio is the GOPe's preferred candidate. I still find that intriguing.
His policies are pretty much indistinguishable from Bush's, and he should prove acceptable to the CoC. Plus Latino!
His policies are pretty much indistinguishable from Bush's, and he should prove acceptable to the CoC. Plus Latino!
Posted by: rickl at September 18, 2015 01:07 PM (zoehZ)
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 18, 2015 01:07 PM (HC/uy)
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>>>Actually he's #2 in money and has been making overtures to a number of different groups to build a broad coalition. I'd like him to speak a little less lawyerly and a little more down-home though. He's going to be the grassroots guy they're going to try to take out.
And if Trump implodes, he's positioned himself to inherit a lot of that support.
>>>Actually he's #2 in money and has been making overtures to a number of different groups to build a broad coalition. I'd like him to speak a little less lawyerly and a little more down-home though. He's going to be the grassroots guy they're going to try to take out.
And if Trump implodes, he's positioned himself to inherit a lot of that support.
Posted by: LibertarianJim at September 18, 2015 01:07 PM (XMDuf)
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I voted for Ross Perot twice in the 1990s, and can very easily abandon the Party once again. I will not vote for another "establishment" Republican. Period, end of story.
Posted by: mildcigar at September 18, 2015 01:07 PM (7b5cR)
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Anyway, how many times has Trump been declared dead now?
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The Trumpinator.
Just won't stay dead.
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The Trumpinator.
Just won't stay dead.
Posted by: @votermom at September 18, 2015 01:07 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Grammar Nazi at September 18, 2015 01:07 PM (8XRCm)
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So what ? He's still the only thing close to an opposition party that we've got.
Not happy about that, just sayin'
"I can't spare this man, he fights".
Not happy about that, just sayin'
"I can't spare this man, he fights".
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 18, 2015 01:08 PM (S0bOl)
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Cock.
Posted by: pashmr at September 18, 2015 01:08 PM (3aNC4)
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Oops forgot a part Obama has invited trans gender activist and the others to the Pope visit.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:08 PM (mcm0N)
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SMOD 2016
Posted by: amichel at September 18, 2015 01:08 PM (aO1W9)
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Apparently, no one ever explained to Drew that the job of President is mainly hiring great people to accomplish big things.
There is no series of written and oral tests that are given with the high score being appointed president. It doesn't matter if a candidate knows the names of obscure Arabs in far off lands.
How many miniscule details do you think Reagan bothered with? Jimmy Carter could disassemble a nuclear reactor from memory, but he couldn't find his ass with both hands as far as foreign policy.
Great presidents are leaders. Once that base is covered, the rest is easy.
There is no series of written and oral tests that are given with the high score being appointed president. It doesn't matter if a candidate knows the names of obscure Arabs in far off lands.
How many miniscule details do you think Reagan bothered with? Jimmy Carter could disassemble a nuclear reactor from memory, but he couldn't find his ass with both hands as far as foreign policy.
Great presidents are leaders. Once that base is covered, the rest is easy.
Posted by: jwest at September 18, 2015 01:08 PM (Zs4uk)
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He'll deep into his war chest every now and then .......
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Ummmmm..... "dip" into his war chest???
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Ummmmm..... "dip" into his war chest???
Posted by: Grammar Nazi at September 18, 2015 01:08 PM (8XRCm)
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And soon all the people that have spent months shitting all over Trump and threatening to not vote will begin the cry of "But the democrats are worse!"
Posted by: buzzion at September 18, 2015 01:08 PM (zt+N6)
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Usually we get trolled in the comments, not the post.
Posted by: Jean at September 18, 2015 01:09 PM (ztOda)
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"But that doesn't mean Jeb," you'll cry plaintively. Yeah, it does.
One would certainly think do.
Not this year, though.
This election is going to look like last night's Broncos-Chiefs contest.
I'm a YUUGE Bronco fan, and with 27 seconds left in the game, I myself yelled "no f**king way".
One would certainly think do.
Not this year, though.
This election is going to look like last night's Broncos-Chiefs contest.
I'm a YUUGE Bronco fan, and with 27 seconds left in the game, I myself yelled "no f**king way".
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 18, 2015 01:09 PM (M+9nV)
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Noooooooo!!!
Posted by: LastSamurai at September 18, 2015 01:09 PM (DeZld)
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Drew is only about the 1 millionth pundit to predict Trump's imminent demise. Way to go out on a limb there, big guy.
And the idea that people want a guy who can speak policy geek talk to Heritage types is GOPe-class wisdom.
And the idea that people want a guy who can speak policy geek talk to Heritage types is GOPe-class wisdom.
Posted by: bystander at September 18, 2015 01:09 PM (hKyl0)
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When rolling the dice for the presidential candidate, I'm sticking with a natural seven on the come-out roll, and that 7 is Donald Trump!
When rolling the dice for the presidential candidate, I'm sticking with a natural seven on the come-out roll, and that 7 is Donald Trump!
Posted by: Doctor Fish at September 18, 2015 01:09 PM (OiFtZ)
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Damnation. True, moslty. That's why its just so fucking depressing.
Posted by: life sucks, then you die at September 18, 2015 01:09 PM (dzR5m)
Posted by: Yo! at September 18, 2015 01:09 PM (GwIKd)
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Poll I saw today still shows Trump way up with Carson and Carley behind him and what's his name...oh yeah Jeb...no where in sight amigo
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:09 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: Tommy V at September 18, 2015 01:09 PM (SRQwr)
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Meanwhile Hot Air has a story up--Obama has invited trans gender activist, and a nun activist that's kind of okay with euthanasia and abortion.
The Vatican is protesting the guest list.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (mcm0N)
TBOTFG. Do you see Obama insulting any other guest, like say his Muslim Brotherhood buddies, like this?
While I admire this Pope's compassion, I think he's naive when it comes to the evil of leftists, especially compared to JPII. That being said, I can see the Pope being very gracious to these people and respect their dignity as human beings as a good Christian should do. Which the MSM will then take as the Pope approving of their lifestyle choices for all the usual propaganda purposes.
The Vatican is protesting the guest list.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (mcm0N)
TBOTFG. Do you see Obama insulting any other guest, like say his Muslim Brotherhood buddies, like this?
While I admire this Pope's compassion, I think he's naive when it comes to the evil of leftists, especially compared to JPII. That being said, I can see the Pope being very gracious to these people and respect their dignity as human beings as a good Christian should do. Which the MSM will then take as the Pope approving of their lifestyle choices for all the usual propaganda purposes.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:10 PM (tAYH3)
Posted by: LastSamurai at September 18, 2015 01:10 PM (DeZld)
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It's Rubio. Bush has literally no supporters, except maybe Trumpetdaddy (just kidding). He has no voters, only last name polling recognition. He's all but out of the race.
It's Rubio.
It's Rubio.
Posted by: MTF at September 18, 2015 01:10 PM (TxJGV)
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*looks around for the Trump*
GOP political analyst, Chip Felkel says Friday's forum will be a "different environment."
"The forum will not be all about scoring points," he says. "It should be a more substantive environment with less generalities than the debate."
*trundles away*
GOP political analyst, Chip Felkel says Friday's forum will be a "different environment."
"The forum will not be all about scoring points," he says. "It should be a more substantive environment with less generalities than the debate."
*trundles away*
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 18, 2015 01:10 PM (JtwS4)
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He and I had this conversation on Twitter a few days ago and some of this is from what he said and got me thinking about.
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.....ending a sentence in a preposition.
tsk tsk
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.....ending a sentence in a preposition.
tsk tsk
Posted by: Grammar Nazi at September 18, 2015 01:10 PM (8XRCm)
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This post should have had trigger warnings. The vision of Jeb on top of the 2016 gave me the vapors.
I don't really want Trump but I will vote for anyone who's not named Bush or Clinton. Anyone.
I don't really want Trump but I will vote for anyone who's not named Bush or Clinton. Anyone.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 18, 2015 01:10 PM (mD3Pa)
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Meanwhile Hot Air has a story up--Obama has invited
trans gender activist, and a nun activist that's kind of okay with
euthanasia and abortion.
The Vatican is protesting the guest list.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (mcm0N)
Post on this, too, at Cut.Jib.Newsletter. Link in nic.
trans gender activist, and a nun activist that's kind of okay with
euthanasia and abortion.
The Vatican is protesting the guest list.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (mcm0N)
Post on this, too, at Cut.Jib.Newsletter. Link in nic.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 18, 2015 01:10 PM (oKE6c)
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Jeb actually came across worse than I thought he would at the last debate. He really is a phoney tool.
How do you demonstrate how tough you are? Stand on your tippy toes in a group photo and Slap and old man's hand really hard when he offers it to you.
Jebwas just weird.
Say good bye to democracy. Cause as soon as the illegals get voting legal,the whole country goes blue. Then the money runs out the "blue voters" will be in favor of confiscation to keep the benefits coming.
Hope you folks didn't advise your children to go to expensive schools and indebt themselves to get a career going. Cause they going tohave more debt than they can handle in about 10 years. Don't worry bout your own401 K either. The government will manage it and give you what you "need" after they take a service and administration fee out every month (that certainly is not a tax!!! unless they need it to be!!!!)
Jeb actually came across worse than I thought he would at the last debate. He really is a phoney tool.
How do you demonstrate how tough you are? Stand on your tippy toes in a group photo and Slap and old man's hand really hard when he offers it to you.
Jebwas just weird.
Say good bye to democracy. Cause as soon as the illegals get voting legal,the whole country goes blue. Then the money runs out the "blue voters" will be in favor of confiscation to keep the benefits coming.
Hope you folks didn't advise your children to go to expensive schools and indebt themselves to get a career going. Cause they going tohave more debt than they can handle in about 10 years. Don't worry bout your own401 K either. The government will manage it and give you what you "need" after they take a service and administration fee out every month (that certainly is not a tax!!! unless they need it to be!!!!)
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 01:10 PM (5vV+V)
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His performance on Wednesday was beyond ridiculous. He knows nothing.
His grasp of current affairs is beneath a Twitter troll's.
So what?
How well informed does a wrecking ball need to be?
His grasp of current affairs is beneath a Twitter troll's.
So what?
How well informed does a wrecking ball need to be?
Posted by: Methos at September 18, 2015 01:10 PM (ZbV+0)
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having Drew predict Trumps downfall and the rise of RINO #1 is like listening to a Met's fan critique the NY Yankees
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:10 PM (DUoqb)
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He knows nothing. His grasp of current affairs is the same as obama's.
Fixed it for everyone. And i still can't tell whether trump is doing this for real, for vanity, or for Hilary.
Fixed it for everyone. And i still can't tell whether trump is doing this for real, for vanity, or for Hilary.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 18, 2015 01:10 PM (326rv)
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His policies are pretty much indistinguishable from Bush's, and he should prove acceptable to the CoC. Plus Latino!
Posted by: rickl at September 18, 2015 01:07 PM (zoehZ)
Could be.
I don't know that Jeb! is a stalking horse, but I do think Rubio is many in the establishments second choice if Jeb! flames out.
And yet... the Gang of 8 thing is really hard for me to understand in that context. Why would Rubio stick his neck out on that if he had some kind of deal with the GOPe? I always figured he did it to increase his national exposure and didn't really take a look at the polling on an amnesty plan before he got involved.
I don't know.
Posted by: rickl at September 18, 2015 01:07 PM (zoehZ)
Could be.
I don't know that Jeb! is a stalking horse, but I do think Rubio is many in the establishments second choice if Jeb! flames out.
And yet... the Gang of 8 thing is really hard for me to understand in that context. Why would Rubio stick his neck out on that if he had some kind of deal with the GOPe? I always figured he did it to increase his national exposure and didn't really take a look at the polling on an amnesty plan before he got involved.
I don't know.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:11 PM (AkOaV)
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Jeb Bush is proof that the establishment screaming "Electability for the general election" is a load of horse manure.
Posted by: buzzion at September 18, 2015 01:11 PM (zt+N6)
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I hope the Pope ex-communicates that nun, right in the WH.
Posted by: Jean at September 18, 2015 01:11 PM (ztOda)
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I'd like him to speak a little less lawyerly and a little more down-home though. He's going to be the grassroots guy they're going to try to take out.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (tAYH3)
I hate the lawyer's jig, but given the debate shit-shows we've been treated to do you really blame him? It makes no sense for him to get feisty in debates while he has #3 $ until the posers fade.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (tAYH3)
I hate the lawyer's jig, but given the debate shit-shows we've been treated to do you really blame him? It makes no sense for him to get feisty in debates while he has #3 $ until the posers fade.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 18, 2015 01:11 PM (sJuWI)
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.....ending a sentence in a preposition.
tsk tsk
--
At least he ended it this time. Last time was quite
tsk tsk
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At least he ended it this time. Last time was quite
Posted by: @votermom at September 18, 2015 01:11 PM (cbfNE)
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Drew is voting Libertarian?
So what are their policies? I doubt Drew is getting a fence with that. Maybe a garden though...with green leaf.
So what are their policies? I doubt Drew is getting a fence with that. Maybe a garden though...with green leaf.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:11 PM (mcm0N)
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Aqua Buddha will take care of Rubio before Jeb ever has to lay a finger on him.
Posted by: Fritz at September 18, 2015 01:11 PM (3tjn4)
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Damn, I agree with jwest! First time that's happened.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 18, 2015 01:11 PM (Lqy/e)
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LOL. Everyone who hates Trump keeps saying he is done. What you want and what is reality are two different things.
Posted by: Sho Nuff at September 18, 2015 01:11 PM (GyLbC)
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Well thanks Drew & Co. for clearing up my confusions about the future election. Now all I have to do is get with the conditioning in order to back another Bush. Not this time.
Posted by: kraken at September 18, 2015 01:11 PM (sdxPm)
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Trump is going to win
Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarian at September 18, 2015 01:11 PM (sPy7a)
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I've always known the GOP was going to nominate "an electable centrist with sunny Reaganesque optimism who can pull in moderates and independents."
Which is why I find myself so detached from this whole process.
Which is why I find myself so detached from this whole process.
Posted by: V the K at September 18, 2015 01:11 PM (O7MnT)
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Drew M,
Have you considered becoming a horror fiction writer? I think you are well suited to the task.
Have you considered becoming a horror fiction writer? I think you are well suited to the task.
Posted by: Max Power at September 18, 2015 01:11 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Mortimer at September 18, 2015 01:11 PM (0dcbp)
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Witness the power of this fully operational Jeb! battle station!
*click*
*click*
*clikityclickityclickity*
Alright - who took the batteries from the remote?
Clock boy.
*click*
*click*
*clikityclickityclickity*
Alright - who took the batteries from the remote?
Clock boy.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2015 01:12 PM (rIQuo)
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The blindingly obvious about Trump was always his lack of discipline to learn the detail. Now if you could combine Trump's visceral connection with Carly's grasp of the issues and her communication skills, then you would have a powerful candidate.
But, until people start voting, nothing is real. This is all just speculation. I don't think it automatic support for Jeb either. Sure lots of oppo research on Carly's days at HP. but she lost in CA, a state that would elect Kim Jong un if he ran as a democrat.
Nor do I count out Walker, because when emotion burns away, as it will with the Trumpkins then they will reassess their decisions.
But, until people start voting, nothing is real. This is all just speculation. I don't think it automatic support for Jeb either. Sure lots of oppo research on Carly's days at HP. but she lost in CA, a state that would elect Kim Jong un if he ran as a democrat.
Nor do I count out Walker, because when emotion burns away, as it will with the Trumpkins then they will reassess their decisions.
Posted by: standfast24 at September 18, 2015 01:12 PM (wx/BY)
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Standby, I'm calling President Romney to ask his opinion whether Donald should simply drop out of the race or apologize for not defending Obama?
Or both?
Standby, I'm calling President Romney to ask his opinion whether Donald should simply drop out of the race or apologize for not defending Obama?
Or both?
Posted by: Doctor Fish at September 18, 2015 01:12 PM (OiFtZ)
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Wise words from Mr. Drew! Once the crazy phase of the primary season is over and people had a little bit of time to reflect, they will come to the conclusion that the whole Bush "brand" thing is silly and that he is far more conservative than conservatives give him credit for.
Substantial, proven leadership is what this country needs right now!
Substantial, proven leadership is what this country needs right now!
Posted by: Begonia at September 18, 2015 01:12 PM (ttgbf)
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SMOD 2016
Posted by: amichel at September 18, 2015 01:08 PM (aO1W9)
Tell me when, I've got targets lined up
Posted by: amichel at September 18, 2015 01:08 PM (aO1W9)
Tell me when, I've got targets lined up
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 18, 2015 01:12 PM (493sH)
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I will not vote for Jeb.
I'd rather the end come soon and unadulterated than make a pretense at staunching the bleeding.
Let it burn.
I'd rather the end come soon and unadulterated than make a pretense at staunching the bleeding.
Let it burn.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at September 18, 2015 01:12 PM (6JL3d)
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What a racket: The same people who told us Trump didn't have a chance, then told us he was dead so, so many times, are now telling us he's . . . dead again.
I mean, I admire the ability to cash checks for writing bullshit.
But can we be honest? You're stirring chicken entrials and huffing volcanic fumes, not predicting the future.
Magic 8 Ball says . . . Donald Trump's campaign is dead.
There, I wrote Monday's headlines for you.
I mean, I admire the ability to cash checks for writing bullshit.
But can we be honest? You're stirring chicken entrials and huffing volcanic fumes, not predicting the future.
Magic 8 Ball says . . . Donald Trump's campaign is dead.
There, I wrote Monday's headlines for you.
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 18, 2015 01:12 PM (ZvKdv)
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Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (mcm0N)
Hah! I'm glad. It shoukd be a wake up call for Pope Frank
Hah! I'm glad. It shoukd be a wake up call for Pope Frank
Posted by: @votermom at September 18, 2015 01:12 PM (cbfNE)
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So what?
How well informed does a wrecking ball need to be?
Posted by: Methos at September 18, 2015 01:10 PM (ZbV+0)
Everytime I get the urge to hedge a little more on Trump, a Trump fan runs out of nowhere and screams "FYNQ!", reminding me what this election is about.
Thanks, guys.
How well informed does a wrecking ball need to be?
Posted by: Methos at September 18, 2015 01:10 PM (ZbV+0)
Everytime I get the urge to hedge a little more on Trump, a Trump fan runs out of nowhere and screams "FYNQ!", reminding me what this election is about.
Thanks, guys.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 18, 2015 01:12 PM (sJuWI)
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Listen, and understand! That Trumpinator is out there! It can't be
bargained with. It can't be reasoned with It doesn't feel pity, or
remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you vote for him.
bargained with. It can't be reasoned with It doesn't feel pity, or
remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you vote for him.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 18, 2015 01:13 PM (tf9Ne)
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Drew's post is the posting equivalent of coming to school with a fake clock that beeps during third period.
Posted by: MTF at September 18, 2015 01:13 PM (TxJGV)
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All are stalking horses for Jeb! Trump is there to suck all of the air out of the room, away from the other non-Jeb! candidates. When their campaigns expire Trump will then vacate the field to Jeb!
Then Jeb! will campaign in such a lack-luster way that Hillary! wins.
This will fulfill the protocols signed at Martha's Vineyard.
Then Jeb! will campaign in such a lack-luster way that Hillary! wins.
This will fulfill the protocols signed at Martha's Vineyard.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Stock up on Trumpian Terrors from the Outrage Outlet! at September 18, 2015 01:13 PM (hLRSq)
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not to rehash the debate re-caps again, but I think Trump did... okay. Not super impressive, but didn't hurt himself with his supporters.
Jeb on the other hand I think came off looking like a total asshole. And the GOPe has been selling Jeb! as the "grown up in the room" with an "even temperament" etc etc etc and instead he ended up looking like (to me at least) a really angry beta-male teenager.
Which I guess is why he doesn't do "anger" too often in public, because he looks like a total bitch when he gets angry. Some people can pull it off, some can't. Christie and Trump can both get angry and look commanding and righteous, Jeb! just looks like a bitch.
Jeb on the other hand I think came off looking like a total asshole. And the GOPe has been selling Jeb! as the "grown up in the room" with an "even temperament" etc etc etc and instead he ended up looking like (to me at least) a really angry beta-male teenager.
Which I guess is why he doesn't do "anger" too often in public, because he looks like a total bitch when he gets angry. Some people can pull it off, some can't. Christie and Trump can both get angry and look commanding and righteous, Jeb! just looks like a bitch.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:13 PM (AkOaV)
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Dude, I called this before the debate at a moron blog a group of us don't have.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 18, 2015 01:13 PM (tM4uk)
Posted by: William Eaton at September 18, 2015 01:13 PM (q52Ma)
Posted by: Doctor Fish at September 18, 2015 01:13 PM (OiFtZ)
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It will be a cold day in hell before I vote for Jeb.
Posted by: The Walking dude at September 18, 2015 01:14 PM (rTk1Y)
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"Carly, while terrific, A- doesn't have much money and B- will get hit on the whole HP layoff business as well as doing deals with Iran."
So just to sure I understand this line of reasoning... Canning a bunch of folks at HP and selling printers and other computer equiment to Iran is analogous to running arms clandestinely to ISIS and helping Iran develop and deploy (and defend) nuclear weapons. Thus, Carly is not suited to be a candidate but Scankles and the Affurmatif Axshun Preznit are fit to remain in office and not be impeached for treason.
Gotcha Drew, spot on analysis.
Party of Stupid. The GOP needs to wither and die; the sooner, the better
So just to sure I understand this line of reasoning... Canning a bunch of folks at HP and selling printers and other computer equiment to Iran is analogous to running arms clandestinely to ISIS and helping Iran develop and deploy (and defend) nuclear weapons. Thus, Carly is not suited to be a candidate but Scankles and the Affurmatif Axshun Preznit are fit to remain in office and not be impeached for treason.
Gotcha Drew, spot on analysis.
Party of Stupid. The GOP needs to wither and die; the sooner, the better
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 18, 2015 01:14 PM (i0ykY)
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And yet... the Gang of 8 thing is really hard for me to understand in that context. Why would Rubio stick his neck out on that if he had some kind of deal with the GOPe? I always figured he did it to increase his national exposure and didn't really take a look at the polling on an amnesty plan before he got involved.
I don't know.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:11 PM (AkOaV)
The Gang of Eight was Rubio's Hispandering effort. It seems that many people forget it was his second effort. During the 2012 election the idiot decided to start talking about the DREAM Act. That was supposed to be his Hispandering effort. But then Obama went and decided 'fuck it I'll do that by executive order.' So that stole Rubio's thunder and he needed a new way to show that he could connect to Hispanics.
I don't know.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:11 PM (AkOaV)
The Gang of Eight was Rubio's Hispandering effort. It seems that many people forget it was his second effort. During the 2012 election the idiot decided to start talking about the DREAM Act. That was supposed to be his Hispandering effort. But then Obama went and decided 'fuck it I'll do that by executive order.' So that stole Rubio's thunder and he needed a new way to show that he could connect to Hispanics.
Posted by: buzzion at September 18, 2015 01:14 PM (zt+N6)
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Jean
I just read a bit about her--that would be sweet.
Seems like Obama doesn't have much respect for Catholicism.
Pretty sure Obama would not serv bacon at a state dinner for a Mullah.
I just read a bit about her--that would be sweet.
Seems like Obama doesn't have much respect for Catholicism.
Pretty sure Obama would not serv bacon at a state dinner for a Mullah.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:14 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: Sho Nuff at September 18, 2015 01:14 PM (GyLbC)
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Besides, I think by now, in this year 2015, it has been well established that any moron can be President.
This whole argument that we need a member of Mensa is crap.
This whole argument that we need a member of Mensa is crap.
Posted by: navybrat at September 18, 2015 01:14 PM (ETxiG)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 18, 2015 01:14 PM (JtwS4)
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Rubio/Fiorina 2016
Posted by: GuyfromNH at September 18, 2015 01:14 PM (scUt2)
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>>>Actually he's #2 in money and has been making overtures to a
number of different groups to build a broad coalition. I'd like him to
speak a little less lawyerly and a little more down-home though. He's
going to be the grassroots guy they're going to try to take out.
And if Trump implodes, he's positioned himself to inherit a lot of that support.
===============
That's the snark of my comment.
There are others, who are equal to or better in the polls than Jeb.
And are not getting all the free press Jeb is.
number of different groups to build a broad coalition. I'd like him to
speak a little less lawyerly and a little more down-home though. He's
going to be the grassroots guy they're going to try to take out.
And if Trump implodes, he's positioned himself to inherit a lot of that support.
===============
That's the snark of my comment.
There are others, who are equal to or better in the polls than Jeb.
And are not getting all the free press Jeb is.
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 18, 2015 01:14 PM (ZvKdv)
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I'll vote for Jed Clampett.
Posted by: East Bay Jay at September 18, 2015 01:15 PM (PvCxa)
Posted by: since Soothsayer isn't here right now at September 18, 2015 01:15 PM (ZtFr+)
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So my Jeb! ads are first: his ad in Spanish running in a window, with TRUMP! underneath, nothing more need be said; and second: a short spot of him on his tiptoes next to Trump. Don't need to say much of anything.
Whoever is President, we need a R Senate, so Rubia has to keep his ass in FL.
Whoever is President, we need a R Senate, so Rubia has to keep his ass in FL.
Posted by: Jean at September 18, 2015 01:15 PM (ztOda)
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Oh well, it's was a nice civilization while it lasted.
Posted by: Weasel at September 18, 2015 01:15 PM (6xtq3)
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Yay! Can't wait to see President Clinton's cabinet posts. Oh, and her supreme court nominees. Yes indeed, my cries are plaintive.
Fuck me runnin' the next 9 years (at least) are going to be ruinous.
Fuck me runnin' the next 9 years (at least) are going to be ruinous.
Posted by: BuckIV at September 18, 2015 01:15 PM (CLfqv)
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When President Boyfriend goes to Europe, he's surrounded by interesting Italians. When the Pope comes to visit from Italy, he gets surrounded by people hostile to his worldview.
This is what you call being a bad host.
This is what you call being a bad host.
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 18, 2015 01:15 PM (5npD/)
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Go away, Horde-baitin'!
Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at September 18, 2015 01:15 PM (WDySP)
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Trump has more foreign policy experience than that piece of crap in the White House ever did.
Posted by: zeeman at September 18, 2015 01:15 PM (4uoSf)
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I would expect Ace to stomp and shred this article, considering how committed a Trump supporter he is.
Posted by: jwest at September 18, 2015 01:15 PM (Zs4uk)
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Hey everybody!
Did you know that neither Trump nor Ben Carson are government lawyers who have spent their entire lives overcomplicating and obscuring shit that should by all rights be fairly simple?
Shocking , I know, but true.
Did you know that neither Trump nor Ben Carson are government lawyers who have spent their entire lives overcomplicating and obscuring shit that should by all rights be fairly simple?
Shocking , I know, but true.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 18, 2015 01:15 PM (0dcbp)
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Can anyone even name the Libertarian candidate?
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:15 PM (mcm0N)
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Whoa guys, why all the DrewM hate?
Whether or not Trump! is out now or if he holds on longer, i think Drew's analysis is interested and probably more right then wrong.
Jeez, no need to attack the guy. It's not like Gabe posted an article telling us how we're all hate filled bigots or anything.
Whether or not Trump! is out now or if he holds on longer, i think Drew's analysis is interested and probably more right then wrong.
Jeez, no need to attack the guy. It's not like Gabe posted an article telling us how we're all hate filled bigots or anything.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:15 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: X at September 18, 2015 01:16 PM (57fhp)
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I'm sure it's been said (haven't read the comments), but -
El Jefe Maximo !Jeb can go to hell. He will never get my vote. If he's the nominee, I'll vote Scankles or Crazy Bernie or Choo-Choo.
Fuck the GOPe. Die, already, assholes.
El Jefe Maximo !Jeb can go to hell. He will never get my vote. If he's the nominee, I'll vote Scankles or Crazy Bernie or Choo-Choo.
Fuck the GOPe. Die, already, assholes.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 18, 2015 01:16 PM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Feh at September 18, 2015 01:16 PM (7cO/e)
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It's going to be Jeb. The GOP is gonna GOP.
Nope. I do believe you are wrong.
Jeb is now at about 9% in the polls. And the polls are of just Republicans primary voters, so in the general electorate, he's at probably 4.5%.
Basically, no one likes him. That 9% is almost EXCLUSIVELY incredibly stupid people who simply recognize his last name.
That is not a "base." That's the dregs of the nation's cretins.
The "donor class" pumping money to him are a tiny percentage of the actual voters - - maybe 1%. Their influence is not in their voting numbers, but in their $$$.
But the $$$ doesn't seem to have had ANY positive effect on Bush's numbers. So the donor class is ineffective.
The people now voting for Trump, who will then shift to Fiorina, and then Carson, and then various down-ticket candidates, will NEVER settle on Bush. They' going for these outsiders because they HATE Bush and everything he stands for.
One of the down-ticket candidates will eventually get the nod. I still think it will be among Cruz, Walker or Rubio. (Presuming Trump fades as you predict.)
Nope. I do believe you are wrong.
Jeb is now at about 9% in the polls. And the polls are of just Republicans primary voters, so in the general electorate, he's at probably 4.5%.
Basically, no one likes him. That 9% is almost EXCLUSIVELY incredibly stupid people who simply recognize his last name.
That is not a "base." That's the dregs of the nation's cretins.
The "donor class" pumping money to him are a tiny percentage of the actual voters - - maybe 1%. Their influence is not in their voting numbers, but in their $$$.
But the $$$ doesn't seem to have had ANY positive effect on Bush's numbers. So the donor class is ineffective.
The people now voting for Trump, who will then shift to Fiorina, and then Carson, and then various down-ticket candidates, will NEVER settle on Bush. They' going for these outsiders because they HATE Bush and everything he stands for.
One of the down-ticket candidates will eventually get the nod. I still think it will be among Cruz, Walker or Rubio. (Presuming Trump fades as you predict.)
Posted by: zombie at September 18, 2015 01:16 PM (jBuUi)
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Meanwhile Hot Air has a story up--Obama has invited trans gender activist, and a nun activist that's kind of okay with euthanasia and abortion.
The Vatican is protesting the guest list.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (mcm0N)
Pope Francis should just say he doesn't need to meet with Barry and be done with it. And knock off all of the lefty shit on his own.
The Vatican is protesting the guest list.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (mcm0N)
Pope Francis should just say he doesn't need to meet with Barry and be done with it. And knock off all of the lefty shit on his own.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 18, 2015 01:16 PM (493sH)
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I tried to back Rubio when many had deserted him, but finally had to cry "Uncle".
The ultimate problem for me was that, much like Corker, he really didn't grasp the problems with the Congressional process.
The Democrats had planned to use their majority, last session, to get the Senate on record with a vote for a "comprehensive immigration reform" bill, then use the process to "pour" their own version into it at conference.
Rubio seemed blind to the process. The deal he had signed onto, while not the best, wasn't the end of the world, but the process said it wouldn't get signed looking anything like that.
The ultimate problem for me was that, much like Corker, he really didn't grasp the problems with the Congressional process.
The Democrats had planned to use their majority, last session, to get the Senate on record with a vote for a "comprehensive immigration reform" bill, then use the process to "pour" their own version into it at conference.
Rubio seemed blind to the process. The deal he had signed onto, while not the best, wasn't the end of the world, but the process said it wouldn't get signed looking anything like that.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at September 18, 2015 01:16 PM (e8kgV)
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141 Can anyone even name the Libertarian candidate?
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:15 PM (mcm0N)
No. Gary Johnson or Bob Barr would be my guess based on previous years.
Also, I don't think the LP has a candidate yet, they have a primary season too IIRC
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:15 PM (mcm0N)
No. Gary Johnson or Bob Barr would be my guess based on previous years.
Also, I don't think the LP has a candidate yet, they have a primary season too IIRC
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:16 PM (AkOaV)
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Sadly, I can see this all happening...
Except it will be Jeb! / Rubio....
Rubio is the new Dick Nixon... trying to use VP to get to President.
GOPe will use him to cement the Hispanic Vote, while 'thinking' he is conservative enough to placate the base (which he is not IMO).
Except it will be Jeb! / Rubio....
Rubio is the new Dick Nixon... trying to use VP to get to President.
GOPe will use him to cement the Hispanic Vote, while 'thinking' he is conservative enough to placate the base (which he is not IMO).
Posted by: BB Wolf at September 18, 2015 01:16 PM (qh617)
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People pushing Jeb are just crazy. There is so much hate on both sides for the Bushes it's palpable. Then again, the people pushing for Jeb will make out like bandits on donations up until he isn't elected.
Posted by: ryukyu at September 18, 2015 01:16 PM (j29PP)
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17 I'd rather jerk off with a steel glove than vote for the Jebacle.
______________
I'd rather fuck a sea urchin.
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I'd rather fuck a sea urchin.
Posted by: BuckIV at September 18, 2015 01:16 PM (CLfqv)
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You are wrong. It will not be Jeb. The GOPe is working for that, but he is a loser.
LOSER. Everyone knows it. I fear that what some guys on Fox said a month ago is going to come back and bite us in the ass.
Romney and his magical underwear.
LOSER. Everyone knows it. I fear that what some guys on Fox said a month ago is going to come back and bite us in the ass.
Romney and his magical underwear.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 18, 2015 01:17 PM (jJRIy)
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I still don't agree with your assessment. But I think we agree that if it is Jeb, he will lose in the general. BIG.
Posted by: dogfish at September 18, 2015 01:17 PM (jWtyG)
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Do not forget they have a pic of Jeb standing on his tip toes to look taller in the debate pic
Posted by: Yo! at September 18, 2015 01:17 PM (GwIKd)
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Everytime I get the urge to hedge a little more on Trump, a Trump fan runs out of nowhere and screams "FYNQ!", reminding me what this election is about.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 18, 2015 01:12 PM (sJuWI)
===========================
Political hacks everywhere might wish there was more substance at which to take aim, but Methos makes an excellent point Ace also made in the podcast.
At this point, who gives a shit if there is little meat on the bones of Trumps campaign? Obama made it all the way to the presidency on "Hope and Fuck You", so why should Trump be held to a higher standard?
It's better indeed to be a wrecking ball right now. Level the battle field. Get rid of the GOPe asshats. That's all that matters.
"Substance" is a complete distraction from competitors looking for a way to undermine Trump.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 18, 2015 01:12 PM (sJuWI)
===========================
Political hacks everywhere might wish there was more substance at which to take aim, but Methos makes an excellent point Ace also made in the podcast.
At this point, who gives a shit if there is little meat on the bones of Trumps campaign? Obama made it all the way to the presidency on "Hope and Fuck You", so why should Trump be held to a higher standard?
It's better indeed to be a wrecking ball right now. Level the battle field. Get rid of the GOPe asshats. That's all that matters.
"Substance" is a complete distraction from competitors looking for a way to undermine Trump.
Posted by: MTF at September 18, 2015 01:17 PM (TxJGV)
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There is another.
Posted by: Yoda at September 18, 2015 01:18 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: V the K at September 18, 2015 01:18 PM (O7MnT)
159
Jeb is the only other candidate I hate. Paul being the other. I would not piss on either of them if they were on fire
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:18 PM (DUoqb)
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So just to sure I understand this line of reasoning... Canning a bunch of folks at HP and selling printers and other computer equiment to Iran is analogous to running arms clandestinely to ISIS and helping Iran develop and deploy (and defend) nuclear weapons. Thus, Carly is not suited to be a candidate but Scankles and the Affurmatif Axshun Preznit are fit to remain in office and not be impeached for treason.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 18, 2015 01:14 PM (i0ykY)
I, for one, am appalled that the CIA did not vet her more thoroughly when they hired her on for tech analysis.
This calls for a special counselor and a complete congressional investigation.
We need transparency and more warmth!
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 18, 2015 01:14 PM (i0ykY)
I, for one, am appalled that the CIA did not vet her more thoroughly when they hired her on for tech analysis.
This calls for a special counselor and a complete congressional investigation.
We need transparency and more warmth!
Posted by: Hillary! at September 18, 2015 01:18 PM (M+9nV)
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49.
I don't know. I get why people think that and I think if it was any other GOPe candidate other than Jeb then Rubio would be selected as VP but having the two biggest amnesty supporters on the same ticket and more importantly two people from the same state would be like committing electoral suicide the Ernest Hemingway way (with a shotgun to the face) instead of just slowly bleeding out (like nominating Jeb - who so many people both in the middle and the right ideologically will not vote for because of his last name - and rightfully so). I just don't know who the VP would be - Carly maybe? Can't see an actual conservative like Paul or Cruz being the nominee.
I don't know. I get why people think that and I think if it was any other GOPe candidate other than Jeb then Rubio would be selected as VP but having the two biggest amnesty supporters on the same ticket and more importantly two people from the same state would be like committing electoral suicide the Ernest Hemingway way (with a shotgun to the face) instead of just slowly bleeding out (like nominating Jeb - who so many people both in the middle and the right ideologically will not vote for because of his last name - and rightfully so). I just don't know who the VP would be - Carly maybe? Can't see an actual conservative like Paul or Cruz being the nominee.
Posted by: Daniel at September 18, 2015 01:18 PM (r9mDd)
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"Troll level: Master"
"Usually we get trolled in the comments, not the post."
Hahaha. Exactly what I was thinking.
"Usually we get trolled in the comments, not the post."
Hahaha. Exactly what I was thinking.
Posted by: mossomo at September 18, 2015 01:18 PM (3Vph4)
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One of the down-ticket candidates will eventually get the nod. I still think it will be among Cruz, Walker or Rubio. (Presuming Trump fades as you predict.)
Posted by: zombie at September 18, 2015 01:16 PM (jBuUi)
Zombie, I'd agree with you if 2012 hadn't played out exactly as you describe.
No one wanted Romney. And yet -- well, we got Romney. Basically through the process Drew describes.
Posted by: zombie at September 18, 2015 01:16 PM (jBuUi)
Zombie, I'd agree with you if 2012 hadn't played out exactly as you describe.
No one wanted Romney. And yet -- well, we got Romney. Basically through the process Drew describes.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:18 PM (AkOaV)
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2 Anyone who supported (even as an F.U.) Trump will not fall in line behind Jeb.
Posted by: Lizzy
Well, by comment #2, someone already scooped my comment #146, and did so more concisely.
I say "Brava!," and then droop my shoulders in shame and futility.
Posted by: Lizzy
Well, by comment #2, someone already scooped my comment #146, and did so more concisely.
I say "Brava!," and then droop my shoulders in shame and futility.
Posted by: zombie at September 18, 2015 01:18 PM (jBuUi)
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Kasich.
Honestly shocked to hear anyone thought Kasich looked good. I am from Ohio, voted for Kasich for governor.
I was embarrassed for Kasich. I thought he was by far and away the worst. His claim that we need to abide by the Iran deal and dogged insistence that we stand by it exposed him as far more dangerously naïve about foreign policy that even TRUMP!. Kasich had no clue that the 'deal" allow Iran to inspect itself and makes several facilities off limits entirely to inspections. They showed him on split screen when Cruz cut his nuts off on this issue and he didn't know it. He was embarrassed. BTW I like mother Theresa also,but putting her on the ten dollar bill is such ridiculous pandering it found it insulting.
Kasich is effectivelybranding himself, "I'm everything you liked about Romney except an not a rich guy and I'm not a Mormon". Good luck with that. . .
Kasich.
Honestly shocked to hear anyone thought Kasich looked good. I am from Ohio, voted for Kasich for governor.
I was embarrassed for Kasich. I thought he was by far and away the worst. His claim that we need to abide by the Iran deal and dogged insistence that we stand by it exposed him as far more dangerously naïve about foreign policy that even TRUMP!. Kasich had no clue that the 'deal" allow Iran to inspect itself and makes several facilities off limits entirely to inspections. They showed him on split screen when Cruz cut his nuts off on this issue and he didn't know it. He was embarrassed. BTW I like mother Theresa also,but putting her on the ten dollar bill is such ridiculous pandering it found it insulting.
Kasich is effectivelybranding himself, "I'm everything you liked about Romney except an not a rich guy and I'm not a Mormon". Good luck with that. . .
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 01:18 PM (5vV+V)
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Pope Francis should just say he doesn't need to meet with Barry and be done with it. And knock off all of the lefty shit on his own.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 18, 2015 01:16 PM (493sH)
Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's.... and Obama is looking more and more like a Caesar as time goes on.
Pope Francis should just say he doesn't need to meet with Barry and be done with it. And knock off all of the lefty shit on his own.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 18, 2015 01:16 PM (493sH)
Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's.... and Obama is looking more and more like a Caesar as time goes on.
Posted by: BB Wolf at September 18, 2015 01:18 PM (qh617)
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I hate the lawyer's jig, but given the debate shit-shows we've been treated to do you really blame him? It makes no sense for him to get feisty in debates while he has #3 $ until the posers fade.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 18, 2015 01:11 PM (sJuWI)
I don't blame him at all. Actually I think its good that he stays above the fray for as long as possible, while using his opportunity to proclaim conservative principles and challenge the liberal narrative. I think the posers are going to fade out soon.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 18, 2015 01:11 PM (sJuWI)
I don't blame him at all. Actually I think its good that he stays above the fray for as long as possible, while using his opportunity to proclaim conservative principles and challenge the liberal narrative. I think the posers are going to fade out soon.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:18 PM (tAYH3)
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Thanks Ace. Now I need 35 viagras.
Posted by: dk70 at September 18, 2015 01:18 PM (pGO5O)
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"That is not a "base." That's the dregs of the nation's cretins. "
In other words, the kinds of people who decide elections.
In other words, the kinds of people who decide elections.
Posted by: navybrat at September 18, 2015 01:19 PM (ETxiG)
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Is the Libertarian candidate going to gut the military--what is Drew's Libertarian candidate position on that?
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:19 PM (mcm0N)
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Apparently, no one ever explained to Drew that the job of President is mainly hiring great people to accomplish big things.
There is no series of written and oral tests that are given with the
high score being appointed president. It doesn't matter if a candidate
knows the names of obscure Arabs in far off lands.
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The story of Barack Obama.
Doesn't matter how damned stupid you are or sound: As long as the people like you, you'll get a pass.
People like Trump.
C'mon: Voters are not sitting 'round with a spreadsheet ticking off positions and beliefs as they methodically determine who they're voting for.
It's "do I like this person or not."
Nobody "liked" Romney or McCain--so it didn't matter one damned bit what they said or how they said it.
There is no series of written and oral tests that are given with the
high score being appointed president. It doesn't matter if a candidate
knows the names of obscure Arabs in far off lands.
========
The story of Barack Obama.
Doesn't matter how damned stupid you are or sound: As long as the people like you, you'll get a pass.
People like Trump.
C'mon: Voters are not sitting 'round with a spreadsheet ticking off positions and beliefs as they methodically determine who they're voting for.
It's "do I like this person or not."
Nobody "liked" Romney or McCain--so it didn't matter one damned bit what they said or how they said it.
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 18, 2015 01:19 PM (ZvKdv)
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>>Meanwhile Hot Air has a story up--Obama has invited trans gender activist, and a nun activist that's kind of okay with euthanasia and abortion.
The Vatican is protesting the guest list.
Wish the Pope would skip Obama's invitation.
Obama is trolling him.
The Vatican is protesting the guest list.
Wish the Pope would skip Obama's invitation.
Obama is trolling him.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2015 01:19 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Michael Sebastian at September 18, 2015 01:19 PM (n8tHU)
Posted by: major major major major at September 18, 2015 01:19 PM (XxX5P)
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It's best for Trump to minimize these debates and candidate forums.
No matter how well he might do, he'll be pilloried by the Agents of Rove and their running dogs (like Drew).
So just deny them the opportunity and stay straight to the people.
No matter how well he might do, he'll be pilloried by the Agents of Rove and their running dogs (like Drew).
So just deny them the opportunity and stay straight to the people.
Posted by: Bildung at September 18, 2015 01:19 PM (za0BN)
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The only thing peaking about trump is his unfavorables!
Posted by: Trumps hair piece at September 18, 2015 01:19 PM (DeZld)
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LOSER. Everyone knows it.
The only difference between your hyperbole and trumpetdaddy's is that he is a better speller.
LOSER. Everyone knows it.
The only difference between your hyperbole and trumpetdaddy's is that he is a better speller.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 18, 2015 01:19 PM (0dcbp)
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@94 IN LATIN.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 18, 2015 01:20 PM (xq1UY)
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Everyone puts down stupid people, but remember, they deserve representation too!
(and often get it...)
(and often get it...)
Posted by: navybrat at September 18, 2015 01:20 PM (ETxiG)
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LOSER. Everyone knows it.
The only difference between your hyperbole and trumpetdaddy's is that he is a better speller.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 18, 2015 01:19 PM (0dcbp)
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I'll be the judge of that....
The only difference between your hyperbole and trumpetdaddy's is that he is a better speller.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 18, 2015 01:19 PM (0dcbp)
----
I'll be the judge of that....
Posted by: Grammar Nazi at September 18, 2015 01:20 PM (8XRCm)
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Perhaps Donald is not going to the Heritage Forum because he wants to study up on policy-which wouldn't be a bad thing
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 18, 2015 01:20 PM (dKQ1C)
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Pope Francis should just say he doesn't need to meet with Barry and be done with it. And knock off all of the lefty shit on his own.
Posted by: TheQuietMan
Yep anything less is implicit agreement.
Posted by: TheQuietMan
Yep anything less is implicit agreement.
Posted by: dogfish at September 18, 2015 01:20 PM (jWtyG)
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Besides bitching about the GOP and suppressing Conservative votes, what do you intend to do to help matters, Drew?
Whine like a teenager?
When you and the rest of the liberturdian (bowel) movement do something useful in stopping the destruction of America by the scum of the earth dimocrap party -- Let us know.
Until then, just please shut the fuck up.
Whine like a teenager?
When you and the rest of the liberturdian (bowel) movement do something useful in stopping the destruction of America by the scum of the earth dimocrap party -- Let us know.
Until then, just please shut the fuck up.
Posted by: Uncle Rick at September 18, 2015 01:21 PM (ZbB1q)
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I hope the Pope uses the opportunity to call them all, and especially Obama, to repentance. Publicly.
Not holding breath, but hope springs eternal.
Not holding breath, but hope springs eternal.
Posted by: Feh at September 18, 2015 01:21 PM (7cO/e)
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Thanks mynewhandle-- holy cripes had no idea Bob Barr was still around.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:21 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: fixerupper at September 18, 2015 01:21 PM (8XRCm)
187
So what you're saying is, second look at Jon Huntsman?
Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2015 01:21 PM (TOk1P)
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Ouch...
I just got charged $358.60 for one tire.
Discount Tire - Dunlop SP Sport Max AT AS P235/50R/18
No lube. Just bent over and took it like a man.
I just got charged $358.60 for one tire.
Discount Tire - Dunlop SP Sport Max AT AS P235/50R/18
No lube. Just bent over and took it like a man.
Posted by: jwest at September 18, 2015 01:21 PM (Zs4uk)
189
JEB isn't inspiring.
"Its MY TURN!!!" isn't a rallying cry.
Rubio can be inspiring. That's why I'm so disappointed by his betrayal.
Cruz appeals to the intellect. He's my guy, but he hasn't quite developed that positive vision or at least articulated one like Rubio has.
"Its MY TURN!!!" isn't a rallying cry.
Rubio can be inspiring. That's why I'm so disappointed by his betrayal.
Cruz appeals to the intellect. He's my guy, but he hasn't quite developed that positive vision or at least articulated one like Rubio has.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:22 PM (tAYH3)
190
"and B- will get hit on the whole HP layoff business as well as doing deals with Iran"
Deals with Iran apparently isn't quite the bitter pill it used to be.
Deals with Iran apparently isn't quite the bitter pill it used to be.
Posted by: ravenloff at September 18, 2015 01:22 PM (AdBfq)
191
Then make your peace with President Shilarry, but aint no ways in hells will i vote Jeb.
Posted by: Alinsky at September 18, 2015 01:22 PM (2oZKy)
192
Is that Dickless Dirtbag Durbin in that photo? If so, that is one face in desperate need of a foot shove in it.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 18, 2015 01:23 PM (493sH)
193
I'd be more likely to root for the Boston Red Sox's and Patriots than vote for the cock rino Jeb
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:23 PM (DUoqb)
194
Could we maybe wait until a reputable poll shows Trump losing support before we declare his candidacy dead?
If the fact that columnists disapprove of his performance were enough to knock him off he'd have been gone long before now.
If the fact that columnists disapprove of his performance were enough to knock him off he'd have been gone long before now.
Posted by: Jake at September 18, 2015 01:23 PM (Ez4fO)
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Well, I think you're full of shit DrewM. Full of shit.
Posted by: maddogg at September 18, 2015 01:23 PM (xWW96)
196
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 01:18 PM
ALL people from Ohio should be banned from voting as long as Boehner is in congress. Just sayin.
ALL people from Ohio should be banned from voting as long as Boehner is in congress. Just sayin.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 18, 2015 01:23 PM (i0ykY)
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Ouch...
I just got charged $358.60 for one tire.
Discount Tire - Dunlop SP Sport Max AT AS P235/50R/18
No lube. Just bent over and took it like a man.
Shouldn't petroleum products prices be dropping now? Are the Chinese jacking up production costs?
I just got charged $358.60 for one tire.
Discount Tire - Dunlop SP Sport Max AT AS P235/50R/18
No lube. Just bent over and took it like a man.
Shouldn't petroleum products prices be dropping now? Are the Chinese jacking up production costs?
Posted by: Mortimer at September 18, 2015 01:23 PM (0dcbp)
198
He knows nothing. His grasp of current affairs is beneath a Twitter troll's.
Tell us how you really feel about Trump, Drew. Trump does not know everything about anything. That's why you hire people that do.
Tell us how you really feel about Trump, Drew. Trump does not know everything about anything. That's why you hire people that do.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at September 18, 2015 01:23 PM (DfCQN)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 18, 2015 01:23 PM (JtwS4)
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There is no series of written and oral tests that are given with the
high score being appointed president. It doesn't matter if a candidate
knows the names of obscure Arabs in far off lands.
So, who do you guys think would be the best person to advise me and help analyze the best way to deal with what's-his-name?
-- Donald Trump, forming his cabinet.
high score being appointed president. It doesn't matter if a candidate
knows the names of obscure Arabs in far off lands.
So, who do you guys think would be the best person to advise me and help analyze the best way to deal with what's-his-name?
-- Donald Trump, forming his cabinet.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 18, 2015 01:23 PM (M+9nV)
201
el Trump es un pinche quedo pendejo.
Posted by: Yeb at September 18, 2015 01:23 PM (QM5S2)
202
153 You are wrong. It will not be Jeb. The GOPe is working for that, but he is a loser.
LOSER. Everyone knows it. I fear that what some guys on Fox said a month ago is going to come back and bite us in the ass.
Romney and his magical underwear.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 18, 2015 01:17 PM (jJRIy)
Its a feature, not a bug...
11th dimensional chess dictates that the GOPe lose this Presidential election, but keep control of Congress...
That way, they can be just like now... not doing a damn thing because they don't have the Presidency or a Veto proof majority.
Status Quo, and thus the current Crony Capitalism that is making them all rich... continues...
(I wrote this to be semi sarcastic... but now I'm not so sure...).
LOSER. Everyone knows it. I fear that what some guys on Fox said a month ago is going to come back and bite us in the ass.
Romney and his magical underwear.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 18, 2015 01:17 PM (jJRIy)
Its a feature, not a bug...
11th dimensional chess dictates that the GOPe lose this Presidential election, but keep control of Congress...
That way, they can be just like now... not doing a damn thing because they don't have the Presidency or a Veto proof majority.
Status Quo, and thus the current Crony Capitalism that is making them all rich... continues...
(I wrote this to be semi sarcastic... but now I'm not so sure...).
Posted by: BB Wolf at September 18, 2015 01:24 PM (qh617)
203
When you and the rest of the liberturdian (bowel)
movement do something useful in stopping the destruction of America by
the scum of the earth dimocrap party -- Let us know.
Until then, just please shut the fuck up.
Posted by: Uncle Rick at September 18, 2015 01:21 PM (ZbB1q)
This, folks, is what your Republican Party considers outreach.
So no, Uncle Rick, we're not going to shut up. We're going to kill your Party. Deal with it.
movement do something useful in stopping the destruction of America by
the scum of the earth dimocrap party -- Let us know.
Until then, just please shut the fuck up.
Posted by: Uncle Rick at September 18, 2015 01:21 PM (ZbB1q)
This, folks, is what your Republican Party considers outreach.
So no, Uncle Rick, we're not going to shut up. We're going to kill your Party. Deal with it.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2015 01:24 PM (TOk1P)
204
Also this whole campaign season has at last proven to me something which I tried hard to not to accept - Libertarians are ivory tower idiots. There is a reason why their political ideology has never coalesced into a political party that can get anything except a few percentage points in the polls.
They don't understand human nature at all, but live in abstract fantasies...so instead when the world rejects them they attack everyone else and return back to their tower and drool over pictures of John Locke and Montesquieu.
They don't understand human nature at all, but live in abstract fantasies...so instead when the world rejects them they attack everyone else and return back to their tower and drool over pictures of John Locke and Montesquieu.
Posted by: William Eaton at September 18, 2015 01:24 PM (q52Ma)
205
As I'm mentioned, a few thoughts:
Based on fundraising, endorsements and current prediction markets, Drew's theory that it's Jeb holds some water. However, if the Establishment were a little smarter, it would be Rubio. Here's why.
The reason Trump fans always seem to think his critics are pro-Jeb is that Trump is largely the anti-Jeb. When you look at polls of Trump fans' 2nd choices, you get Carson, Fiorina, Cruz, and... Rubio. Two salient points about this.
First, although there are some racists who support Trump, and Trump is criticized for sexist comments, this list of 2nd choices suggests just how much Trump fans are driven by anti-Establishment sentiment. Jeb is THE Establishment candidate, as evidenced by the fact that Rubio is a 2nd choice for more Trump fans.
Second, Trump taps into more nationalist sentiment (which for some curdles into white ID politics or worse). Jeb's heresies on immigration and Common Core are seen as an assault on American culture by this bloc. And Trump baits Jeb into his worst impulses on immigration, such as his ad and debate answer on speaking Spanish. Compare Jeb's answer to Rubio's answer on speaking Spanish...or their angle of approach to immigration generally. Though they're substantively similar, they are far apart tonally. Jeb always comes across as the guy who is playing Democrat-lite, pandering ethnic politics. Rubio approaches these issues from his biography, always talking up how great America is. I'd argue this difference in perspective why more Trump fans would pick Rubio over Jeb, despite the former's Gang of 8 involvement.
In addition to these two points, Trump also highlights Jeb's deficiencies as a political performer. The "low energy" charge sticks because people see it, and Jeb's attempt to ramp it up at the 2nd debate was only partially successful. Trump constantly reminds people that Jeb is not as good on TV as he is...or as good as Rubio is.
Given these factors, the Establishment would be better off re-evaluating their support for Jeb and moving on to Rubio. But they probably won't...and Drew may be right on that basis.
Based on fundraising, endorsements and current prediction markets, Drew's theory that it's Jeb holds some water. However, if the Establishment were a little smarter, it would be Rubio. Here's why.
The reason Trump fans always seem to think his critics are pro-Jeb is that Trump is largely the anti-Jeb. When you look at polls of Trump fans' 2nd choices, you get Carson, Fiorina, Cruz, and... Rubio. Two salient points about this.
First, although there are some racists who support Trump, and Trump is criticized for sexist comments, this list of 2nd choices suggests just how much Trump fans are driven by anti-Establishment sentiment. Jeb is THE Establishment candidate, as evidenced by the fact that Rubio is a 2nd choice for more Trump fans.
Second, Trump taps into more nationalist sentiment (which for some curdles into white ID politics or worse). Jeb's heresies on immigration and Common Core are seen as an assault on American culture by this bloc. And Trump baits Jeb into his worst impulses on immigration, such as his ad and debate answer on speaking Spanish. Compare Jeb's answer to Rubio's answer on speaking Spanish...or their angle of approach to immigration generally. Though they're substantively similar, they are far apart tonally. Jeb always comes across as the guy who is playing Democrat-lite, pandering ethnic politics. Rubio approaches these issues from his biography, always talking up how great America is. I'd argue this difference in perspective why more Trump fans would pick Rubio over Jeb, despite the former's Gang of 8 involvement.
In addition to these two points, Trump also highlights Jeb's deficiencies as a political performer. The "low energy" charge sticks because people see it, and Jeb's attempt to ramp it up at the 2nd debate was only partially successful. Trump constantly reminds people that Jeb is not as good on TV as he is...or as good as Rubio is.
Given these factors, the Establishment would be better off re-evaluating their support for Jeb and moving on to Rubio. But they probably won't...and Drew may be right on that basis.
Posted by: Karl at September 18, 2015 01:24 PM (33Cwk)
206
The Vatican is protesting the guest list.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (mcm0N)
TBOTFG. Do you see Obama insulting any other guest, like say his Muslim Brotherhood buddies, like this?
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Hey, where's my invite? Eff you, Obama.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:06 PM (mcm0N)
TBOTFG. Do you see Obama insulting any other guest, like say his Muslim Brotherhood buddies, like this?
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Hey, where's my invite? Eff you, Obama.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 18, 2015 01:24 PM (E5UB0)
207
193 I'd be more likely to root for the Boston Red Sox's and Patriots than vote for the cock rino Jeb
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:23 PM (DUoqb)
Hey. Hey. Let's not talk crazy
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:23 PM (DUoqb)
Hey. Hey. Let's not talk crazy
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:24 PM (tAYH3)
208
109
Wise words from Mr. Drew! Once the crazy phase of the primary season is
over and people had a little bit of time to reflect, they will come to
the conclusion that the whole Bush "brand" thing is silly and that he is
far more conservative than conservatives give him credit for.
Substantial, proven leadership is what this country needs right now!
Posted by: Begonia at September 18, 2015 01:12 PM (ttgbf)
Someone call 911 and tell them there's a murder about to happen.
Wise words from Mr. Drew! Once the crazy phase of the primary season is
over and people had a little bit of time to reflect, they will come to
the conclusion that the whole Bush "brand" thing is silly and that he is
far more conservative than conservatives give him credit for.
Substantial, proven leadership is what this country needs right now!
Posted by: Begonia at September 18, 2015 01:12 PM (ttgbf)
Someone call 911 and tell them there's a murder about to happen.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 18, 2015 01:24 PM (4ErVI)
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So, who do you guys think would be the best person to advise me and help analyze the best way to deal with what's-his-name?
-- Donald Trump, forming his cabinet.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 18, 2015 01:23 PM (M+9nV)
Zombie Winston Churchill. He seemed to have a good read on the Muslims. Plus he was good with names.
-- Donald Trump, forming his cabinet.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 18, 2015 01:23 PM (M+9nV)
Zombie Winston Churchill. He seemed to have a good read on the Muslims. Plus he was good with names.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:25 PM (AkOaV)
210
How do you say --transgender in Latin?
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:25 PM (mcm0N)
211
Those Dunlop SP's will eat you out of house and home.
I think my set made it 20k miles before I had to replace all four, and that's after replacing two due to road damage.
You can find some real deals at Tirerack if you go away from OEM tires. Even if you choose to stick with summers.
I think my set made it 20k miles before I had to replace all four, and that's after replacing two due to road damage.
You can find some real deals at Tirerack if you go away from OEM tires. Even if you choose to stick with summers.
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 18, 2015 01:25 PM (5npD/)
212
Yeb is Hillary's only shot at winning.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 18, 2015 01:26 PM (E5UB0)
213
@188 It's extra because it's a "tyre."
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 18, 2015 01:26 PM (xq1UY)
214
Posted by: Begonia at September 18, 2015 01:12 PM (ttgbf)
Someone call 911 and tell them there's a murder about to happen.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 18, 2015 01:24 PM (4ErVI)
I thought the Begonia post was someone making a sock parody.
Someone call 911 and tell them there's a murder about to happen.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 18, 2015 01:24 PM (4ErVI)
I thought the Begonia post was someone making a sock parody.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:26 PM (AkOaV)
215
Zombie, I'd agree with you if 2012 hadn't played out exactly as you describe.
No one wanted Romney. And yet -- well, we got Romney. Basically through the process Drew describes.
Posted by: mynewhandle
2016 is a million years away from 2012.
Things have changed. Deeply. The zeitgeist has undergone a tectonic shift.
Rage at the establishment is now almost universal.
The past existence of Romney does not predict the future.
No one wanted Romney. And yet -- well, we got Romney. Basically through the process Drew describes.
Posted by: mynewhandle
2016 is a million years away from 2012.
Things have changed. Deeply. The zeitgeist has undergone a tectonic shift.
Rage at the establishment is now almost universal.
The past existence of Romney does not predict the future.
Posted by: zombie at September 18, 2015 01:26 PM (jBuUi)
216
I agree with Trump's debate performance, it was like suddenly coming out of a drunken stupor and saying to myself "Wow, this guy really is a trainwreck"
I get his schtick early on and even enjoyed it, but it's clear he's just not taking this seriously at all. Which means I can't take him seriously.
I really think Trump was his own entity and I don't see his demise putting Jeb in there.
Really, did anyone here think Trump was actually going to be the GOP nominee?
I get his schtick early on and even enjoyed it, but it's clear he's just not taking this seriously at all. Which means I can't take him seriously.
I really think Trump was his own entity and I don't see his demise putting Jeb in there.
Really, did anyone here think Trump was actually going to be the GOP nominee?
Posted by: Coolio at September 18, 2015 01:26 PM (19oJa)
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When you and the rest of the liberturdian (bowel) movement do something useful in stopping the destruction of America by the scum of the earth dimocrap party -- Let us know.
Why do act like it's just one party that's destroying America? It's a team effort.
Drew's taken the red pill. Don't blame him for not being plugged into the Matrix.
Why do act like it's just one party that's destroying America? It's a team effort.
Drew's taken the red pill. Don't blame him for not being plugged into the Matrix.
Posted by: V the K at September 18, 2015 01:26 PM (O7MnT)
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11th dimensional chess dictates that the GOPe lose this Presidential election, but keep control of Congress...
That way, they can be just like now... not doing a damn thing because they don't have the Presidency or a Veto proof majority.
The GOP/e LOVES second place. Same money as first place with none of the hassle of having to actually win.
That way, they can be just like now... not doing a damn thing because they don't have the Presidency or a Veto proof majority.
The GOP/e LOVES second place. Same money as first place with none of the hassle of having to actually win.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 18, 2015 01:26 PM (0dcbp)
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The unseemly rush to declare Trump's candidacy dead helps Conservatives how, exactly? Seems like an obvious move to get all the good little ducks, or soldiers, in line behind the Chosen Candidate. Not playing this game anymore.
Posted by: kraken at September 18, 2015 01:27 PM (sdxPm)
Posted by: Fritz at September 18, 2015 01:27 PM (3tjn4)
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Go jump off the top of Minas Tirith then, Jesus Christ. We need a low information president for our low information era. Don't tell me how shitty that is, it wasnt my idea. The McCain-Romney cold oatmeal beltway insider general election pattern must be broken NOW, we don't have another election cycle. The only people with name recognition in this thing are Trump and Bush. The noodles onstage at that debate are not electable, end of discussion, and Bush is poison. Airdrop another celebrity into the race or get dying.
Posted by: kari at September 18, 2015 01:27 PM (jSmft)
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What a depressing read. Maybe I should just look into that retirement home and pack myself in cotton until my time runs out.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at September 18, 2015 01:27 PM (l3vZN)
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I saw a sign up in Cuba inviting the Pope.
It referred to the Pope as "Pope Francisco"
Well, I have this thing about names .. you get only one (at a time).
The Holy See reports his name as "Pope Francis".
There is no Pope Francisco.
I bet in Nicaragua, they call our President "Presidente Baracko Obamcisco de Azzho"
It referred to the Pope as "Pope Francisco"
Well, I have this thing about names .. you get only one (at a time).
The Holy See reports his name as "Pope Francis".
There is no Pope Francisco.
I bet in Nicaragua, they call our President "Presidente Baracko Obamcisco de Azzho"
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at September 18, 2015 01:27 PM (e8kgV)
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"Whoever is President, we need a R Senate, so Rubia has to keep his ass in FL."
whatever on earth for? we have an R Senate now, and look what it's gotten us...
sweet fuck all.
whatever on earth for? we have an R Senate now, and look what it's gotten us...
sweet fuck all.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 18, 2015 01:27 PM (HC/uy)
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DrewM is full of shit. I don't know what Begonia is full of....LSD?
Posted by: maddogg at September 18, 2015 01:27 PM (xWW96)
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You can find some real deals at Tirerack if you go away from OEM tires. Even if you choose to stick with summers.
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 18, 2015 01:25 PM (5npD/)
asian tires. Kumhos and Yokohamas. Won't break the bank, and last a long time.
Not the best ride ever, but I got 80k miles on my civic on my first set of 'hos and i'm at 60k miles on the second set right now and they're still going strong.
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 18, 2015 01:25 PM (5npD/)
asian tires. Kumhos and Yokohamas. Won't break the bank, and last a long time.
Not the best ride ever, but I got 80k miles on my civic on my first set of 'hos and i'm at 60k miles on the second set right now and they're still going strong.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:28 PM (AkOaV)
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209 So, who do you guys think would be the best person to advise me and help analyze the best way to deal with what's-his-name?
-- Donald Trump, forming his cabinet.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 18, 2015 01:23 PM (M+9nV)
Zombie Winston Churchill. He seemed to have a good read on the Muslims. Plus he was good with names.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:25 PM (AkOaV)
Great.
Have him call me by this afternoon.
Otherwise, you're fired.
-- Donald Trump, forming his cabinet.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 18, 2015 01:23 PM (M+9nV)
Zombie Winston Churchill. He seemed to have a good read on the Muslims. Plus he was good with names.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:25 PM (AkOaV)
Great.
Have him call me by this afternoon.
Otherwise, you're fired.
Posted by: Donald Trump at September 18, 2015 01:28 PM (M+9nV)
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House OKs bill blocking Planned Parenthood funds, amid shutdown worries
BUT IT IS ALL BULLSHIT AS USUAL SINCE IT IS NOT TIED TO THE BUDGET BUT A STAND ALONE BILL
As usual is is designed to FAIL. What a bunch of limp dick cock suckers. And Drew expects us to vote for JEB? Fuck Off
And FUCK OFF to all the RINOs and gutless Republicans in Congress.
FUCK YOU
BUT IT IS ALL BULLSHIT AS USUAL SINCE IT IS NOT TIED TO THE BUDGET BUT A STAND ALONE BILL
As usual is is designed to FAIL. What a bunch of limp dick cock suckers. And Drew expects us to vote for JEB? Fuck Off
And FUCK OFF to all the RINOs and gutless Republicans in Congress.
FUCK YOU
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:28 PM (DUoqb)
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and about $130-$150 a tire IIRC
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:28 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 18, 2015 01:28 PM (zc3Db)
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Honestly, get your thumb out of your ass Drew.
The best GOP field in a long time and you're going to play prognosticator.
Trump may indeed fade. But the main reason for his popularity won't. People hate Washington. Bush more than the others IS Washington. It's why he has faded and remains loathed. He can keep todos whatever the fuck until election day. It's not going to happen.
No this won't be the Establishments election. They've had the last two and people are done with that. The early primary polls even reflect it. It will be anything but that.
The best GOP field in a long time and you're going to play prognosticator.
Trump may indeed fade. But the main reason for his popularity won't. People hate Washington. Bush more than the others IS Washington. It's why he has faded and remains loathed. He can keep todos whatever the fuck until election day. It's not going to happen.
No this won't be the Establishments election. They've had the last two and people are done with that. The early primary polls even reflect it. It will be anything but that.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 18, 2015 01:28 PM (rsZG4)
Posted by: JC at September 18, 2015 01:28 PM (0dcbp)
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Like a fiesta, in your mouth!
Posted by: Yeb at September 18, 2015 01:28 PM (QM5S2)
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>>>9 His performance on Wednesday was beyond ridiculous. He knows nothing. He's grasp of current affairs is beneath a Twitter troll's.
Still don't give a shit. Still better than the rest.
Still don't give a shit. Still better than the rest.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 18, 2015 01:28 PM (TULs6)
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Posted by: zombie at September 18, 2015 01:16 PM (jBuUi
Walker and Rubio fit my description of "someone more establishment."
Walker and Rubio fit my description of "someone more establishment."
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 18, 2015 01:28 PM (tM4uk)
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Quit bitching about how we don't have a navy, book a trip to France, and start schmoozing. What the fuck guys
Posted by: kari at September 18, 2015 01:29 PM (jSmft)
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It will not be jeb! Rubio is my guess... Young, Hispanic, and good looking...
Posted by: donna at September 18, 2015 01:29 PM (hUdMz)
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Watched the most unbearable Bret Baier hour the night after the debate. He had on those fossils Kondracke Barnes for the lightening round. Basically, it turned into Jeb Bush appreciation society. Glad to have OANN channel as an alternative.
Posted by: Wendy at September 18, 2015 01:29 PM (bpemY)
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Jews, Catholics and Chistians get no respect.
To get respect from the Obama Administration you gotta supply IEDs to the people killing US servicemen.
Do that and you get wined and dined in Vienna--long time.
To get respect from the Obama Administration you gotta supply IEDs to the people killing US servicemen.
Do that and you get wined and dined in Vienna--long time.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:29 PM (mcm0N)
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I bet in Nicaragua, they call our President "Presidente Baracko Obamcisco de Azzho"
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at September 18, 2015 01:27 PM (e8kgV)
Or El Comrade for short
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at September 18, 2015 01:27 PM (e8kgV)
Or El Comrade for short
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 18, 2015 01:29 PM (493sH)
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"So we will see a repeat of 2012...flavors of the month rising and
falling. Meanwhile the establishment favorite, loaded down with cash
will just bump along watching the grassroots challengers come and go."
And, continuing the 2012 analogy, after dispatching the grassroots challengers, the establishment favorite will proceed proudly ahead to the general election, and lose it.
falling. Meanwhile the establishment favorite, loaded down with cash
will just bump along watching the grassroots challengers come and go."
And, continuing the 2012 analogy, after dispatching the grassroots challengers, the establishment favorite will proceed proudly ahead to the general election, and lose it.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 18, 2015 01:29 PM (noWW6)
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If Trump doesn't do some studying on issues beyond immigration, he will falter. Bush will never get elected due to his name. That is just the way it is.
Agree that Fiorina has the Romney problem with firing people. The dems already won with that playbook. Rubio would be a better general election candidate than Bush.
Agree that Fiorina has the Romney problem with firing people. The dems already won with that playbook. Rubio would be a better general election candidate than Bush.
Posted by: rodlang at September 18, 2015 01:30 PM (CmDWk)
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We still have the Biden/Hillary! War to look forward to.
Posted by: Weasel at September 18, 2015 01:30 PM (6xtq3)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 18, 2015 01:30 PM (xq1UY)
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You mean we won't get to see Trump card hildebeast "hey piano legs!"
Posted by: Chris at September 18, 2015 01:30 PM (i14ci)
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Trump's style seems to be a cross of Rodney Dangerfield and Bruce Campbell, with moments of Sam Kinison.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at September 18, 2015 01:30 PM (e8kgV)
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If Jeb is the nominee - I will not vote. If they are intent on destroying the country that I love, they will do so without my permission.
Posted by: Cheri at September 18, 2015 01:30 PM (oiNtH)
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232 Go jump off the top of Minas Tirith then, Jesus Christ.
Hey, now.
Posted by: JC at September 18, 2015 01:28 PM (0dcbp)
Wow JC, you'd think getting strung up would be enough to satisfy people. You make Rodney Dangerfield look like Trump
Hey, now.
Posted by: JC at September 18, 2015 01:28 PM (0dcbp)
Wow JC, you'd think getting strung up would be enough to satisfy people. You make Rodney Dangerfield look like Trump
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:30 PM (tAYH3)
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The Gang of Eight was Rubio's Hispandering effort. It seems that many
people forget it was his second effort. During the 2012 election the
idiot decided to start talking about the DREAM Act. That was supposed
to be his Hispandering effort
==========
And don't forget that stupid shit he brought up ALL BY HIS FUCKING SELF right in the middle of the campaign when not one fucking person was talking about amnesty and succeeded in making amnesty the issue to Hispanics FOR Obama.
Yes, Romney was shit--but the lead pipe to the kneecapps from Christie and Rubio sure as hell didn't help.
people forget it was his second effort. During the 2012 election the
idiot decided to start talking about the DREAM Act. That was supposed
to be his Hispandering effort
==========
And don't forget that stupid shit he brought up ALL BY HIS FUCKING SELF right in the middle of the campaign when not one fucking person was talking about amnesty and succeeded in making amnesty the issue to Hispanics FOR Obama.
Yes, Romney was shit--but the lead pipe to the kneecapps from Christie and Rubio sure as hell didn't help.
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 18, 2015 01:30 PM (ZvKdv)
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Obama Regime Refuses To Say How Many Americans Have Been Killed By Iran And Its Proxies
Irans Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei gestures as he speaks to workers in Tehran
Gee, wonder why?
Weasel Zippers
Yeah I got an idea, lets vote for Jeb?
Irans Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei gestures as he speaks to workers in Tehran
Gee, wonder why?
Weasel Zippers
Yeah I got an idea, lets vote for Jeb?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:30 PM (DUoqb)
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I won't vote for Jeb, or Huck... I'd probably vote for just about any of the others..
Posted by: donna at September 18, 2015 01:31 PM (hUdMz)
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Also, go back and look at the RCP polls from the 2012 race. Romney was never down in the single digits like Bush is now. He held strong between 16-25 percent while the flavor of the month came and went, then ramped up to victory. Romney led for a long time early on, then dropped off but never fell below second place.
Posted by: Jake at September 18, 2015 01:31 PM (Ez4fO)
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The future does not belong to those who insult Mexicans!
Posted by: Yeb at September 18, 2015 01:31 PM (QM5S2)
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So just to sure I understand this line of reasoning... Canning a bunch of folks at HP and selling printers and other computer equiment to Iran is analogous to running arms clandestinely to ISIS and helping Iran develop and deploy (and defend) nuclear weapons. Thus, Carly is not suited to be a candidate but Scankles and the Affurmatif Axshun Preznit are fit to remain in office and not be impeached for treason.
Carly is a great candidate in the primary,but she'll get nuked in the general. She did some stuff at HP, that will strike the average independent voter as ghoulish. Worse by far than any Romney plant closing or putting his dog on the roof. Carly's got REAL not imaginary problems. The commercials of workers who lost the jobs, to foreign workers will ALL be REAL. The issue is that she actually was a cold hearted capitalist who fired people to replace them with cheaper workers from overseas, versus the lies they told about Romney. She's very polished and great on the issues, but its like SHE KILLED SOMEBODY. It doesn't matter how smooth she is today, the campaign commercials willbrutally remind all the independentsthat she KILLED American's jobs. Sheeze she won't even get all the republican's out to vote. Move on people nothing to see there . . .
So just to sure I understand this line of reasoning... Canning a bunch of folks at HP and selling printers and other computer equiment to Iran is analogous to running arms clandestinely to ISIS and helping Iran develop and deploy (and defend) nuclear weapons. Thus, Carly is not suited to be a candidate but Scankles and the Affurmatif Axshun Preznit are fit to remain in office and not be impeached for treason.
Carly is a great candidate in the primary,but she'll get nuked in the general. She did some stuff at HP, that will strike the average independent voter as ghoulish. Worse by far than any Romney plant closing or putting his dog on the roof. Carly's got REAL not imaginary problems. The commercials of workers who lost the jobs, to foreign workers will ALL be REAL. The issue is that she actually was a cold hearted capitalist who fired people to replace them with cheaper workers from overseas, versus the lies they told about Romney. She's very polished and great on the issues, but its like SHE KILLED SOMEBODY. It doesn't matter how smooth she is today, the campaign commercials willbrutally remind all the independentsthat she KILLED American's jobs. Sheeze she won't even get all the republican's out to vote. Move on people nothing to see there . . .
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 01:31 PM (5vV+V)
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Rage at the establishment is now almost universal.
The past existence of Romney does not predict the future.
Posted by: zombie at September 18, 2015 01:26 PM (jBuUi)
Could be a sound point. I'm just saying that this is the establishments strategy and that I think they will be somewhat / very successful.
Because we will soon see the candidates start to drop out until we're left with fewer and fewer choices, and that will eventually be whittled down to Jeb (and/or Kasich or Rubio or whomever the GOPe thinks will have the best chance)
The past existence of Romney does not predict the future.
Posted by: zombie at September 18, 2015 01:26 PM (jBuUi)
Could be a sound point. I'm just saying that this is the establishments strategy and that I think they will be somewhat / very successful.
Because we will soon see the candidates start to drop out until we're left with fewer and fewer choices, and that will eventually be whittled down to Jeb (and/or Kasich or Rubio or whomever the GOPe thinks will have the best chance)
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:31 PM (AkOaV)
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I won't vote for Jeb, or Huck... I'd probably vote for just about any of the others..
Posted by: donna at September 18, 2015 01:31 PM (hUdMz)
Actually paul is the most dangerous of them all
Posted by: donna at September 18, 2015 01:31 PM (hUdMz)
Actually paul is the most dangerous of them all
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:31 PM (DUoqb)
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246 Trump's style seems to be a cross of Rodney Dangerfield and Bruce Campbell, with moments of Sam Kinison.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at September 18, 2015 01:30 PM (e8kgV)
THIS is my YUUUUUGGGGEEE BOOOOMMM STICK! OH OH!!
Yeah, I can see that.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at September 18, 2015 01:30 PM (e8kgV)
THIS is my YUUUUUGGGGEEE BOOOOMMM STICK! OH OH!!
Yeah, I can see that.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:32 PM (tAYH3)
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It's uncanny how closely this election resembles 2008. There are any number of pretend Republican candidates, and everybody gets worked up about THEIR guy (or gal).
In the end, the creepy Establishment guy is going to win. Even if you don't know ANYBODY who supports him.
You don't get to decide this. They do.
You can get mad at Drew for telling you this, but it's not going to change the outcome.
In the end, the creepy Establishment guy is going to win. Even if you don't know ANYBODY who supports him.
You don't get to decide this. They do.
You can get mad at Drew for telling you this, but it's not going to change the outcome.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2015 01:32 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: donna at September 18, 2015 01:32 PM (hUdMz)
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As someone who's been consistently anti-Trump but thinks he's done some good--no, it doesn't mean Jeb.
If you honestly believes these primaries are simply about money and connections, it means Jeb, that's why people jumped onto him. If that were true, John Connolly would have won the Republican nomination. If that were true, Jon Huntsman would have gotten out of the single digits.
Jeb is simply a bad candidate, not HRC bad but bad, who's out of touch with the bulk of primary voters. If there weren't other options as in 2012, that might mean Jeb. This year, it doesn't mean Jeb.
If you honestly believes these primaries are simply about money and connections, it means Jeb, that's why people jumped onto him. If that were true, John Connolly would have won the Republican nomination. If that were true, Jon Huntsman would have gotten out of the single digits.
Jeb is simply a bad candidate, not HRC bad but bad, who's out of touch with the bulk of primary voters. If there weren't other options as in 2012, that might mean Jeb. This year, it doesn't mean Jeb.
Posted by: AD at September 18, 2015 01:32 PM (Y3yhK)
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If Jeb is the nominee, he will lose a landslide bigger than anyone else in contention.
I honestly believe if your #1 goal was to destroy the GOP, you'd nominate Jeb as I can't think of a more iconic Establishment figure that would go down in flames.
I honestly believe if your #1 goal was to destroy the GOP, you'd nominate Jeb as I can't think of a more iconic Establishment figure that would go down in flames.
Posted by: Coolio at September 18, 2015 01:32 PM (19oJa)
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Ah, the manic-depression of Election Season.
Sorry, if I don't like the candidate, I won't be voting.
Sorry, if I don't like the candidate, I won't be voting.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 18, 2015 01:32 PM (oVJmc)
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They seem to be trying to build a battleship using tiny screws
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at September 18, 2015 01:32 PM (e8kgV)
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Thomas Sowell on Fox Business said, a misinformed electorate should not vote. Well hell, that knocks out the Democrat voting base.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 18, 2015 01:32 PM (493sH)
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OT: Breaking world + Hell + hand basket (some assembly required) news. A few days ago two high school kids blindsided and tackled a referee at a high school football game. That's bad enough but now they are saying that their coach ordered them to do so because the referee had to pay a price for a prior bad call.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 18, 2015 01:33 PM (XUKZU)
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Pope Social Justice wouldn't miss meeting Obama
Posted by: brak at September 18, 2015 01:33 PM (xwPSp)
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The Holy See reports his name as "Pope Francis".
There is no Pope Francisco.
Papa Francesco
Papst Franziskus
Pape Francois
Or does the Holy See only speak English?
There is no Pope Francisco.
Papa Francesco
Papst Franziskus
Pape Francois
Or does the Holy See only speak English?
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 18, 2015 01:33 PM (JtwS4)
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Vominos, Yeb! Tua es un merde canaille cuckoracha madrefucka.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 18, 2015 01:33 PM (E5UB0)
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Yup.
If Jeb is the nominee.... this will my first Presidential Election ever that I will sit out.
And I go back a ways.
Yup.
If Jeb is the nominee.... this will my first Presidential Election ever that I will sit out.
And I go back a ways.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 18, 2015 01:33 PM (8XRCm)
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259 Actually paul is the most dangerous of them all
Don't like Paul either...
Posted by: donna at September 18, 2015 01:32 PM (hUdMz)
At this point is he's become a crank.
Don't like Paul either...
Posted by: donna at September 18, 2015 01:32 PM (hUdMz)
At this point is he's become a crank.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:34 PM (tAYH3)
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The issue is that she actually was a cold hearted capitalist who fired people to replace them with cheaper workers from overseas, versus the lies they told about Romney.
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 01:31 PM (5vV+V)
No the issue is that she wasn't a very good "cold hearted capitalist."
If she could say, "yes I laid of 10,000 people, but I turned HP around and when I left it was a leader in its field and a major innovator etc etc etc" it would be one thing. But to say "I laid off 10,000 people, made some really questionable management decisions about our sales model, buying out a competitor, and the strategic future of HP, then almost tanked HP, ended up being fired, and having everything I did while CEO reversed by the CEOs who followed me..." doesn't make her sound competent.
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 01:31 PM (5vV+V)
No the issue is that she wasn't a very good "cold hearted capitalist."
If she could say, "yes I laid of 10,000 people, but I turned HP around and when I left it was a leader in its field and a major innovator etc etc etc" it would be one thing. But to say "I laid off 10,000 people, made some really questionable management decisions about our sales model, buying out a competitor, and the strategic future of HP, then almost tanked HP, ended up being fired, and having everything I did while CEO reversed by the CEOs who followed me..." doesn't make her sound competent.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:34 PM (AkOaV)
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¡Yo soy el mejor candidato para presidente porque soy alto!
Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at September 18, 2015 01:34 PM (8ZskC)
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Honest question:
How close do we have to be to the primaries before we finally get to stop hearing about the "demise of Trump"?
Asking for a friend.
How close do we have to be to the primaries before we finally get to stop hearing about the "demise of Trump"?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 18, 2015 01:34 PM (W7w/T)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at September 18, 2015 01:34 PM (e8kgV)
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It's uncanny how closely this election resembles 2008. There are any number of pretend Republican candidates, and everybody gets worked up about THEIR guy (or gal).
In the end, the creepy Establishment guy is going to win. Even if you don't know ANYBODY who supports him.
You don't get to decide this. They do.
You can get mad at Drew for telling you this, but it's not going to change the outcome.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2015 01:32 PM (TOk1P)
Actually I think the anger is much more palpable now. After taking back both the House and Senate and still getting rick rolled, the "Base" us are furious and will not take it anymore. if they nominate a Jeb, they do so at their own risk.
In the end, the creepy Establishment guy is going to win. Even if you don't know ANYBODY who supports him.
You don't get to decide this. They do.
You can get mad at Drew for telling you this, but it's not going to change the outcome.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2015 01:32 PM (TOk1P)
Actually I think the anger is much more palpable now. After taking back both the House and Senate and still getting rick rolled, the "Base" us are furious and will not take it anymore. if they nominate a Jeb, they do so at their own risk.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:35 PM (DUoqb)
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I picked up a set of Hankook 225/40/18 max summer performance for $99 each on clearance last time.
They don't have the rim bumpers, but they seem to work okay for one of the biggest asshole drivers out there.
But the Dunlops were pretty good when I had them.
They don't have the rim bumpers, but they seem to work okay for one of the biggest asshole drivers out there.
But the Dunlops were pretty good when I had them.
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 18, 2015 01:35 PM (5npD/)
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"I won't vote for Jeb, or Huck... I'd probably vote for just about any of the others.."
I'm just trying to take a deep calming centering breath, step back, close my eyes, visualize a clear calming ocean, and remind myself that the blade slices the *long* way down the wrists, not straight across.
I'm just trying to take a deep calming centering breath, step back, close my eyes, visualize a clear calming ocean, and remind myself that the blade slices the *long* way down the wrists, not straight across.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 18, 2015 01:35 PM (noWW6)
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I can't think of anyone who would run as a Dem that would make me vote for Jeb Bush.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at September 18, 2015 01:36 PM (eytER)
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If Trump doesn't do some studying on issues beyond
immigration, he will falter. Bush will never get elected due to his
name. That is just the way it is.
Posted by: rodlang at September 18, 2015 01:30 PM (CmDWk)
People might assume Trump is trying to win the Republican Party nomination, and they might assume he's trying to win the White House.
It is entirely possible he's not trying to win either.
Perot got about 20% of the vote in 1992. I'm pretty darned sure Perot accomplished exactly what he set out to do.
immigration, he will falter. Bush will never get elected due to his
name. That is just the way it is.
Posted by: rodlang at September 18, 2015 01:30 PM (CmDWk)
People might assume Trump is trying to win the Republican Party nomination, and they might assume he's trying to win the White House.
It is entirely possible he's not trying to win either.
Perot got about 20% of the vote in 1992. I'm pretty darned sure Perot accomplished exactly what he set out to do.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2015 01:36 PM (TOk1P)
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As far as I'm concerned ain't fiddycent difference in heb and hellary.
Posted by: Eromero at September 18, 2015 01:36 PM (go5uR)
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The Demise Of Trump Means The Rise Of Jeb??????
Posted by: Al Sharpton at September 18, 2015 01:36 PM (0dcbp)
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Gilmore wildcard? Don't let that 0.0% fool you.
Posted by: Weasel at September 18, 2015 01:36 PM (6xtq3)
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Actually paul is the most dangerous of them all
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:31 PM (DUoqb)
Oh, come on now.
Paul is / was my first choice.
I get that you don't like Ron "Silver Dimes" Paul, but Rand is a different dude.
Unfortunately, sometime between the Aqua Buddha days and now, Rand seems to have lost all sense of humor and kind of comes off as a whiny bitch on stage, which doesn't help him at all.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:31 PM (DUoqb)
Oh, come on now.
Paul is / was my first choice.
I get that you don't like Ron "Silver Dimes" Paul, but Rand is a different dude.
Unfortunately, sometime between the Aqua Buddha days and now, Rand seems to have lost all sense of humor and kind of comes off as a whiny bitch on stage, which doesn't help him at all.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:36 PM (AkOaV)
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From what I've heard, the Pope's main theme to Congress is climate change. Not the Christian massacres occurring in the ME, not PP's sale on baby parts, not the horrendous "deal" with Iran, but climate change.
Posted by: Cheri at September 18, 2015 01:37 PM (oiNtH)
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If elected, I promise you that I will award no more medals or awards to the Clintons.
Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at September 18, 2015 01:37 PM (8ZskC)
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Perot got Bill elected...if that was his goal he achieved it.
Posted by: rodlang at September 18, 2015 01:37 PM (CmDWk)
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If Jeb is the nominee.... this will my first Presidential Election ever that I will sit out.
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I don't agree with that. You're absence would be interpreted as apathy. I would vote for the Lunatics Who Think We're Ruled By Lizard People Party or something to show I'm not apathetic, more disgusted.
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I don't agree with that. You're absence would be interpreted as apathy. I would vote for the Lunatics Who Think We're Ruled By Lizard People Party or something to show I'm not apathetic, more disgusted.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 18, 2015 01:37 PM (XUKZU)
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274 Carly is the perfect VP choice.
A woman that women in power fear
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at September 18, 2015 01:34 PM (e8kgV)
Cruz/Fiorina I could easily get enthusiastic about, regardless of opponents.
For pure entertainment, I'd like to see Fiorina/Cruz against Biden/Warren.
A woman that women in power fear
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at September 18, 2015 01:34 PM (e8kgV)
Cruz/Fiorina I could easily get enthusiastic about, regardless of opponents.
For pure entertainment, I'd like to see Fiorina/Cruz against Biden/Warren.
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259 Actually paul is the most dangerous of them all
Don't like Paul either...
Posted by: donna
I recently was on the UC Berkeley campus, and I saw in the "common room" of a major student dorm that someone had put up a picture of Rand Paul above a "Paul 2016" sticker.
No one had torn it down, No graffiti.
Paul had earlier made a campaign appearance on campus, and had gotten an overflow crowd and a lot of positive reception.
Amazing.
I do not favor Paul at all either, but he is one of the few, I believe, who can score a big chunk of the youth vote. If you can survive Cal and come out with people liking you, you can survive anywhere.
Don't like Paul either...
Posted by: donna
I recently was on the UC Berkeley campus, and I saw in the "common room" of a major student dorm that someone had put up a picture of Rand Paul above a "Paul 2016" sticker.
No one had torn it down, No graffiti.
Paul had earlier made a campaign appearance on campus, and had gotten an overflow crowd and a lot of positive reception.
Amazing.
I do not favor Paul at all either, but he is one of the few, I believe, who can score a big chunk of the youth vote. If you can survive Cal and come out with people liking you, you can survive anywhere.
Posted by: zombie at September 18, 2015 01:37 PM (jBuUi)
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Actually I think the anger is much more palpable
now. After taking back both the House and Senate and still getting rick
rolled, the "Base" us are furious and will not take it anymore. if they
nominate a Jeb, they do so at their own risk.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:35 PM (DUoqb)
I think it's entirely reasonable to ask whether the Republican Party even WANTS to win the White House. Or keep the majority in Congress, for that matter.
now. After taking back both the House and Senate and still getting rick
rolled, the "Base" us are furious and will not take it anymore. if they
nominate a Jeb, they do so at their own risk.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:35 PM (DUoqb)
I think it's entirely reasonable to ask whether the Republican Party even WANTS to win the White House. Or keep the majority in Congress, for that matter.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2015 01:38 PM (TOk1P)
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Nosotros no sin insignias que apestan!
Posted by: Yeb at September 18, 2015 01:38 PM (QM5S2)
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Rand Paul freaks me out. Supposedly he's a libertarian but somehow he still reminds me of Dana Carvey's--
Church Lady.
Church Lady.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:38 PM (mcm0N)
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I'm supporting Trump during this silly season. Not because he has anything to say that I agree with (he doesn't) and despite him being a Democrat by most standards, which I despise.
He gets my support just for the purpose of making sure the race stays roiled and uncertain for as long as possible.
The GOPe always has only one election strength, "inevitability" and the longer Trump succeeds the more obviously empty that pitch becomes.
So, Trump. He's my man. Until something better comes along.
He gets my support just for the purpose of making sure the race stays roiled and uncertain for as long as possible.
The GOPe always has only one election strength, "inevitability" and the longer Trump succeeds the more obviously empty that pitch becomes.
So, Trump. He's my man. Until something better comes along.
Posted by: MTF at September 18, 2015 01:38 PM (TxJGV)
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Thomas Sowell on Fox Business said, a misinformed electorate should not vote. Well hell, that knocks out the Democrat voting base.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 18, 2015 01:32 PM (493sH)
Uhh...yeah. No kidding. What would the election cycle look like if one had to pass some kind of objective civics/current events test before qualifying to vote? What are currently considered liberal republicans would be the far left extremists during an election. Cruz would be a moderates choice. There is no example of someone today who would be considered an extreme right winger. Current leftist would be so far off the chart as to be considered lunatics.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 18, 2015 01:32 PM (493sH)
Uhh...yeah. No kidding. What would the election cycle look like if one had to pass some kind of objective civics/current events test before qualifying to vote? What are currently considered liberal republicans would be the far left extremists during an election. Cruz would be a moderates choice. There is no example of someone today who would be considered an extreme right winger. Current leftist would be so far off the chart as to be considered lunatics.
Posted by: Sambo at September 18, 2015 01:39 PM (9UV3C)
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Posted by: brak at September 18, 2015 01:33 PM (xwPSp)
This is why I wish the Jesuits would stop using the phrase "social justice".
1. Justice doesn't need a pre-fix. "Economic Justice" is code for theft, and "social justice" is code for revenge. The left has appropriated this terminology for their own ends.
2. What Jesuits historically mean by "social justice" is basically charity and recognition of human dignity. Although some leftist Jesuits have taken on the leftist meaning which adds to the confusion. These guys kill me.
Posted by: brak at September 18, 2015 01:33 PM (xwPSp)
This is why I wish the Jesuits would stop using the phrase "social justice".
1. Justice doesn't need a pre-fix. "Economic Justice" is code for theft, and "social justice" is code for revenge. The left has appropriated this terminology for their own ends.
2. What Jesuits historically mean by "social justice" is basically charity and recognition of human dignity. Although some leftist Jesuits have taken on the leftist meaning which adds to the confusion. These guys kill me.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:39 PM (tAYH3)
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How close do we have to be to the primaries before we finally get to stop hearing about the "demise of Trump"?
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I'd say early November 2016.
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I'd say early November 2016.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 18, 2015 01:39 PM (XUKZU)
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As someone who's been consistently anti-Trump but thinks he's done some good--no, it doesn't mean Jeb.
If you honestly believes these primaries are simply about money and connections, it means Jeb, that's why people jumped onto him. If that were true, John Connolly would have won the Republican nomination. If that were true, Jon Huntsman would have gotten out of the single digits.
Jeb is simply a bad candidate, not HRC bad but bad, who's out of touch with the bulk of primary voters. If there weren't other options as in 2012, that might mean Jeb. This year, it doesn't mean Jeb.
Posted by: AD
Agreed.
Money is obviously a factor, but McCain won the nomination in 2008 with barely a penny to his name. Rick Perry came in with a massive war chest in 2012 and got his ass handed to him by Michele Bachmann.
If Jeb was a solid candidate that knew how to connect to the rank and file, then his money and connections would put him over the top. But he's a piss poor candidate at nearly everything. All he has is his family's Rolodex and that's not enough anymore.
Have you met a single Republican that is voting for Jeb Bush? That should tell you something. I don't think I've seen a single poster on any conservative blog back him. Not one.
If you honestly believes these primaries are simply about money and connections, it means Jeb, that's why people jumped onto him. If that were true, John Connolly would have won the Republican nomination. If that were true, Jon Huntsman would have gotten out of the single digits.
Jeb is simply a bad candidate, not HRC bad but bad, who's out of touch with the bulk of primary voters. If there weren't other options as in 2012, that might mean Jeb. This year, it doesn't mean Jeb.
Posted by: AD
Agreed.
Money is obviously a factor, but McCain won the nomination in 2008 with barely a penny to his name. Rick Perry came in with a massive war chest in 2012 and got his ass handed to him by Michele Bachmann.
If Jeb was a solid candidate that knew how to connect to the rank and file, then his money and connections would put him over the top. But he's a piss poor candidate at nearly everything. All he has is his family's Rolodex and that's not enough anymore.
Have you met a single Republican that is voting for Jeb Bush? That should tell you something. I don't think I've seen a single poster on any conservative blog back him. Not one.
Posted by: Coolio at September 18, 2015 01:39 PM (19oJa)
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284 From what I've heard, the Pope's main theme to Congress is climate change. Not the Christian massacres occurring in the ME, not PP's sale on baby parts, not the horrendous "deal" with Iran, but climate change.
I see the "Vatican" isn't too pleased with the
Religious" people chosen by obama for the meet and greet .
I see the "Vatican" isn't too pleased with the
Religious" people chosen by obama for the meet and greet .
Posted by: donna at September 18, 2015 01:39 PM (hUdMz)
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The Pope's visit to DC (actually his departure) is fucking up my travel plans for next Thursday. So I guess I'm anti-Pope, or a Popeophobe.
Posted by: Weasel at September 18, 2015 01:39 PM (6xtq3)
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"Carly is the perfect VP choice. A woman that women in power fear"
Babs Boxer wasn't too afraid of Carly.
I get it that people are desperately hungry for a Republican who speaks in grammatical sentences, who attacks consistently instead of cringingly apologizing, and has made at least a basic effort to be informed about policy. Because that combination of attributes is horribly rare in the field.
Except Carly is the fembot version of the Mittbot 3000. She isn't ever going to be able to be separated from her LAYOFFS DOWNSIZING OFFSHORING OUTSOURCING record in business.
Babs Boxer wasn't too afraid of Carly.
I get it that people are desperately hungry for a Republican who speaks in grammatical sentences, who attacks consistently instead of cringingly apologizing, and has made at least a basic effort to be informed about policy. Because that combination of attributes is horribly rare in the field.
Except Carly is the fembot version of the Mittbot 3000. She isn't ever going to be able to be separated from her LAYOFFS DOWNSIZING OFFSHORING OUTSOURCING record in business.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 18, 2015 01:39 PM (noWW6)
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Has anyone tried sending an email with policy suggestions to Donald's campaign site? Have you seen the damn thing? They probably wouldn't even spellcheck it before putting it up.
Posted by: kari at September 18, 2015 01:39 PM (jSmft)
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If Jeb is the nominee.... this will my first Presidential Election ever that I will sit out.
I sat out McCain/Obama. Only one since I started voting in 1980. Couldn't be for either of them.
I'd sit it out if it were Trump, too. I lived in NYC in the 80s, I've been aware of him forever, and I've hated him just as long.
I sat out McCain/Obama. Only one since I started voting in 1980. Couldn't be for either of them.
I'd sit it out if it were Trump, too. I lived in NYC in the 80s, I've been aware of him forever, and I've hated him just as long.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 18, 2015 01:39 PM (JtwS4)
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OT: The House of Representatives voted today for legislation that would temporarily de-fund Planned Parenthood while an investigation continues...
Why must I read that and be pissed? Temporarily? Really, an investigation is needed? Just feels like the sstarting act of another Failure Theatre.
Why must I read that and be pissed? Temporarily? Really, an investigation is needed? Just feels like the sstarting act of another Failure Theatre.
Posted by: dogfish at September 18, 2015 01:39 PM (jWtyG)
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If she could say, "yes I laid of 10,000 people, but I turned HP around and when I left it was a leader in its field and a major innovator etc etc etc"
If she promised to lay off 10,000 Federal bureaucrats, I could see the point.
If she promised to lay off 10,000 Federal bureaucrats, I could see the point.
Posted by: V the K at September 18, 2015 01:40 PM (O7MnT)
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The Holy See reports his name as "Pope Francis".
There is no Pope Francisco.
http://w2.vatican.va/content/vatican/es.html
There is no Pope Francisco.
http://w2.vatican.va/content/vatican/es.html
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at September 18, 2015 01:40 PM (0q2P7)
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I mean let's face it, is there anyone here who, shopping for a laptop, would go to HP as their first choice?
Posted by: V the K at September 18, 2015 01:41 PM (O7MnT)
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301 "Carly is the perfect VP choice. A woman that women in power fear"
She's pro-life, so technically she can't be a woman.
She's pro-life, so technically she can't be a woman.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:41 PM (tAYH3)
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And it's not just about the funding. What we've seen is criminal. I cannot imagine that live born bodies are not considered murdered.
Posted by: dogfish at September 18, 2015 01:41 PM (jWtyG)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 18, 2015 01:41 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:41 PM (mcm0N)
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How close do we have to be to the primaries before we finally get to stop hearing about the "demise of Trump"?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: prescient11
If one is determined to not learn something, one never will.
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: prescient11
If one is determined to not learn something, one never will.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 18, 2015 01:41 PM (JmGFJ)
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>>From what I've heard, the Pope's main theme to Congress is climate change. Not the Christian massacres occurring in the ME, not PP's sale on baby parts, not the horrendous "deal" with Iran, but climate change.
Fabulous.
I'm not Catholic, but it sure seems like this Pope is different from past ones...
Fabulous.
I'm not Catholic, but it sure seems like this Pope is different from past ones...
Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2015 01:42 PM (NOIQH)
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And Trump is not gong anywhere yet. The people now counting him out...like Drew, were Trump haters from the get go.Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:07 PM (DUoqb)
^^^^ This. He didn't drop out of the race, he pulled out of one cattle call "debate". Smart move. Let idiots like Fiorina expose the fact that they just had memorized taking points in the last debate and give time for some of the dross to get cleared out.
And Trump is not gong anywhere yet. The people now counting him out...like Drew, were Trump haters from the get go.Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:07 PM (DUoqb)
^^^^ This. He didn't drop out of the race, he pulled out of one cattle call "debate". Smart move. Let idiots like Fiorina expose the fact that they just had memorized taking points in the last debate and give time for some of the dross to get cleared out.
Posted by: DH at September 18, 2015 01:42 PM (gbdKR)
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El Yeb, Boner and The Turtle: Recipe for an American Renewal.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 18, 2015 01:42 PM (8ZskC)
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I wouldn't completely count Trump out yet, though I suspect Jeb will win in the end.
The elites have called the voters ignorant, boorish, nativists for decades - then screwed everything royally. Now the voters are looking for an ignorant, boorish, nativist option.
The elites have called the voters ignorant, boorish, nativists for decades - then screwed everything royally. Now the voters are looking for an ignorant, boorish, nativist option.
Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression at September 18, 2015 01:42 PM (ZufZo)
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Until then, just please shut the fuck up.
Posted by: Uncle Rick at September 18, 2015 01:21 PM (ZbB1q)
I will go out on a limb here and say that this type of comment is why Ace had to inject a new banning policy.
Can't disagree without someone telling you to STFU? It happened to me here last week by another poster when I had the audacity to ask a question about a candidate. I was told that no one cared for my opinion and to STFU.
Uncle Rick, maybe you should go over to your preferred candidate's website so that you can roll around in the echo chamber. You obviously can't handle adults who may disagree with you.
Posted by: Uncle Rick at September 18, 2015 01:21 PM (ZbB1q)
I will go out on a limb here and say that this type of comment is why Ace had to inject a new banning policy.
Can't disagree without someone telling you to STFU? It happened to me here last week by another poster when I had the audacity to ask a question about a candidate. I was told that no one cared for my opinion and to STFU.
Uncle Rick, maybe you should go over to your preferred candidate's website so that you can roll around in the echo chamber. You obviously can't handle adults who may disagree with you.
Posted by: Cheri at September 18, 2015 01:42 PM (oiNtH)
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Cynicism, I can deal with. Eeyorism? OK, less palatable, but understandable.
But full-on defeatism? Nope.
Some of you guys quit way too easy. It's been a rough 6 years, and the two decades before that haven't been too great for conservatism, but all of this "Let It Burn" and "Salt the Earth" stuff...Jesus, lighten the fuck up.
And toughen the fuck up, buttercups.
If Jeb were to win, I'd vote third-party. Even if the third party is the idiot Trump.
But if we're making predictions here: No, Jeb isn't going to win. And the argument that Trump's decline will lead to Jeb's ascendance? Absurd. Jeb will receive precisely 0.0% of former Trump supporters. If anything, a decline by Trump will bolster people like Cruz, Fiorina, Walker. Any of which I'd gladly support.
But full-on defeatism? Nope.
Some of you guys quit way too easy. It's been a rough 6 years, and the two decades before that haven't been too great for conservatism, but all of this "Let It Burn" and "Salt the Earth" stuff...Jesus, lighten the fuck up.
And toughen the fuck up, buttercups.
If Jeb were to win, I'd vote third-party. Even if the third party is the idiot Trump.
But if we're making predictions here: No, Jeb isn't going to win. And the argument that Trump's decline will lead to Jeb's ascendance? Absurd. Jeb will receive precisely 0.0% of former Trump supporters. If anything, a decline by Trump will bolster people like Cruz, Fiorina, Walker. Any of which I'd gladly support.
Posted by: Pastafarian at September 18, 2015 01:43 PM (LqrRo)
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Perot got about 20% of the vote in 1992. I'm pretty darned sure Perot accomplished exactly what he set out to do.
Posted by: BurtTC
I think he legitimately wanted to be President, I don't think he threw away that kind of money to put the Clintons in the White House.
In fact, I think he had real regret running as he endorsed W. Bush in 2000 and slammed the Clinton Administration.
Perot should have run as a Republican in 1992.
Posted by: BurtTC
I think he legitimately wanted to be President, I don't think he threw away that kind of money to put the Clintons in the White House.
In fact, I think he had real regret running as he endorsed W. Bush in 2000 and slammed the Clinton Administration.
Perot should have run as a Republican in 1992.
Posted by: Coolio at September 18, 2015 01:43 PM (19oJa)
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Can't see how a Trump flameout benefits Jeb!. Cruz or Fiorina ... but not Jeb!.
As said by many others, Trump is a protest vote. Those people ain't going to fall in line.
My guess ? First candidate currently polling above 5% that comes out hard in favor of border controls wins the nomination.
As said by many others, Trump is a protest vote. Those people ain't going to fall in line.
My guess ? First candidate currently polling above 5% that comes out hard in favor of border controls wins the nomination.
Posted by: Irony at September 18, 2015 01:43 PM (tFWWx)
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If she promised to lay off 10,000 Federal bureaucrats, I could see the point.
Posted by: V the K at September 18, 2015 01:40 PM (O7MnT)
Not me. A "layoff" includes getting the job back if the position re-opened.
My preference (though I'm not pro-Trump) is "you're fired".
Posted by: V the K at September 18, 2015 01:40 PM (O7MnT)
Not me. A "layoff" includes getting the job back if the position re-opened.
My preference (though I'm not pro-Trump) is "you're fired".
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 18, 2015 01:43 PM (M+9nV)
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I mean let's face it, is there anyone here who, shopping for a laptop, would go to HP as their first choice?
First choice? No.
But still higher on the list than the gun grabbing cocksuckers at Dell.
First choice? No.
But still higher on the list than the gun grabbing cocksuckers at Dell.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 18, 2015 01:43 PM (YJmuy)
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Because we will soon see the candidates start to drop out until we're left with fewer and fewer choices, and that will eventually be whittled down to Jeb (and/or Kasich or Rubio or whomever the GOPe thinks will have the best chance)
I pray that that is not their chosen choice of losing strategy.
I pray that that is not their chosen choice of losing strategy.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2015 01:43 PM (rIQuo)
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The Pope is giving me two days off next so there's that.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 18, 2015 01:43 PM (fWAjv)
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Church Lady should be his Secret Service codename.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:41 PM (mcm0N)
How secret are these code names? Wasn't there some recent thing about Hillary's SS code name? Does anyone know Obama's?
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:41 PM (mcm0N)
How secret are these code names? Wasn't there some recent thing about Hillary's SS code name? Does anyone know Obama's?
Posted by: Sambo at September 18, 2015 01:43 PM (9UV3C)
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If she could say, "yes I laid of 10,000 people, but I turned HP around and when I left it was a leader in its field and a major innovator etc etc etc" it would be one thing. But to say "I laid off 10,000 people, made some really questionable management decisions about our sales model, buying out a competitor, and the strategic future of HP, then almost tanked HP, ended up being fired, and having everything I did while CEO reversed by the CEOs who followed me..." doesn't make her sound competent.
The issue -to the LOW INFO VOTER - is not about competence. Its she stole peoples jobs to make more money for a corporation. Its not just your vote we have to win, its the majority of the independent vote as well. The idjit's who can't make up their mind and don't pay attention until the dirty commercials start running.
If she could say, "yes I laid of 10,000 people, but I turned HP around and when I left it was a leader in its field and a major innovator etc etc etc" it would be one thing. But to say "I laid off 10,000 people, made some really questionable management decisions about our sales model, buying out a competitor, and the strategic future of HP, then almost tanked HP, ended up being fired, and having everything I did while CEO reversed by the CEOs who followed me..." doesn't make her sound competent.
The issue -to the LOW INFO VOTER - is not about competence. Its she stole peoples jobs to make more money for a corporation. Its not just your vote we have to win, its the majority of the independent vote as well. The idjit's who can't make up their mind and don't pay attention until the dirty commercials start running.
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 01:43 PM (XkdIH)
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>>And it's not just about the funding. What we've seen is criminal. I cannot imagine that live born bodies are not considered murdered.
EXACTLY.
This is Gosnell at a national level.
They've one-upped Gosnell in that they've **monetized** the ghoulishness.
EXACTLY.
This is Gosnell at a national level.
They've one-upped Gosnell in that they've **monetized** the ghoulishness.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2015 01:43 PM (NOIQH)
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New poll out shows a Trump bump and Fiorina surge to 3rd place.
Posted by: Wigglesworth at September 18, 2015 01:43 PM (z8IzG)
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Actually, I think Trump avoiding the event is a good sign. It shows to me that he suddenly gets how important some basic knowledge of policy details and conservative principles are, and how he can't put off answering questions about them indefinitely. He can't imagine he can dodge every major event, so I'm hoping he's sitting down to at least rehearse a few answers on position questions.
I want Trump, for the simple reason that he would wreck the GOPe and his main priorities roughly match with mine, but damn...you have to put forth a little effort to show you cafe about the job. I'd never go into a job interview without doing as much research on the position, company and industry as possible. And if I'm hiring someone that's obviously not interested enough to do that basic research, they aren't getting the job.
I want Trump, for the simple reason that he would wreck the GOPe and his main priorities roughly match with mine, but damn...you have to put forth a little effort to show you cafe about the job. I'd never go into a job interview without doing as much research on the position, company and industry as possible. And if I'm hiring someone that's obviously not interested enough to do that basic research, they aren't getting the job.
Posted by: Grimaldi at September 18, 2015 01:44 PM (8DXSv)
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Fuck...looks like I'm going to need a lot more bourbon....One thing...every single person that said "this is the end of Trump" has been wrong. Every.Single.One
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at September 18, 2015 01:44 PM (uJK1E)
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"I sat out McCain/Obama. Only one since I started voting in 1980. Couldn't be for either of them."
Someone else said it better than I ever could: that they hadn't voted for McCain, but rather voted for a ticket of Sarah Palin / Sudden Myocardial Infarction.
Someone else said it better than I ever could: that they hadn't voted for McCain, but rather voted for a ticket of Sarah Palin / Sudden Myocardial Infarction.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 18, 2015 01:44 PM (noWW6)
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How secret are these code names? Wasn't there some recent thing about Hillary's SS code name? Does anyone know Obama's?
Obama's code name? Manchurian.
Obama's code name? Manchurian.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 18, 2015 01:44 PM (YJmuy)
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Hasn't this Pope been pushing making annulments easier and forgiving people who have abortions?
I mean, I think Barry's a victory lap taking asshole, but act like a bitch and you'll be treated like one.
I mean, I think Barry's a victory lap taking asshole, but act like a bitch and you'll be treated like one.
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 18, 2015 01:44 PM (5npD/)
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The anger at the R establishment hasn't lessened. There is over three months till the first primary-correct? Unless there's a surprise announcement, Trump isn't going out yet. I'm not even a Trump supporter, and I don't see Trump giving us this easily.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 18, 2015 01:45 PM (dKQ1C)
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Uncle Rick, maybe you should go over to your
preferred candidate's website so that you can roll around in the echo
chamber. You obviously can't handle adults who may disagree with you.
Posted by: Cheri at September 18, 2015 01:42 PM (oiNtH)
It is not out of the realm of possibility our good Uncle Rick here is part of Team Hillery. Go to conservative sites and try to discredit the Republican Establishment by pretending to be part of it.
preferred candidate's website so that you can roll around in the echo
chamber. You obviously can't handle adults who may disagree with you.
Posted by: Cheri at September 18, 2015 01:42 PM (oiNtH)
It is not out of the realm of possibility our good Uncle Rick here is part of Team Hillery. Go to conservative sites and try to discredit the Republican Establishment by pretending to be part of it.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2015 01:45 PM (TOk1P)
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Church Lady should be his Secret Service codename.
Posted by: Fatman
Too funny! Especially in the first debate whenever Trump blasted him he did put on his best Church Lady face.
Posted by: Fatman
Too funny! Especially in the first debate whenever Trump blasted him he did put on his best Church Lady face.
Posted by: Cheri at September 18, 2015 01:45 PM (oiNtH)
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OT: The House of Representatives voted today for legislation that would temporarily de-fund Planned Parenthood while an investigation continues...
Why must I read that and be pissed? Temporarily? Really, an investigation is needed? Just feels like the sstarting act of another Failure Theatre.
Posted by: dogfish at September 18, 2015 01:39 PM (jWtyG)
It's TOTAL BULLSHIT since it is NOT tied to the Budget. It's a part of the Failure Theater. Another example of the RINO playbook and another reason why I would never vote for Jeb
Why must I read that and be pissed? Temporarily? Really, an investigation is needed? Just feels like the sstarting act of another Failure Theatre.
Posted by: dogfish at September 18, 2015 01:39 PM (jWtyG)
It's TOTAL BULLSHIT since it is NOT tied to the Budget. It's a part of the Failure Theater. Another example of the RINO playbook and another reason why I would never vote for Jeb
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:45 PM (DUoqb)
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327 >>And it's not just about the funding. What we've seen is criminal. I cannot imagine that live born bodies are not considered murdered.
EXACTLY.
This is Gosnell at a national level.
They've one-upped Gosnell in that they've **monetized** the ghoulishness.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2015 01:43 PM (NOIQH)
Which is why when the press covered Carly's rant on PP, they quoted PP as saying the tapes "Were heavily edited" and dropped the subject. Like nothing in the MSM is ever edited. And the LIVs buy that argument!
EXACTLY.
This is Gosnell at a national level.
They've one-upped Gosnell in that they've **monetized** the ghoulishness.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2015 01:43 PM (NOIQH)
Which is why when the press covered Carly's rant on PP, they quoted PP as saying the tapes "Were heavily edited" and dropped the subject. Like nothing in the MSM is ever edited. And the LIVs buy that argument!
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:45 PM (tAYH3)
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307 I mean let's face it, is there anyone here who, shopping for a laptop, would go to HP as their first choice?
Posted by: V the K at September 18, 2015 01:41 PM (O7MnT)
Yes, all of my laptops and tablets are HP.
Their business-grade stuff is best in the industry (although Lenovo has been making some moves lately).
Their consumer grade stuff is, well, junk, but so is pretty much everything in that market.
Posted by: V the K at September 18, 2015 01:41 PM (O7MnT)
Yes, all of my laptops and tablets are HP.
Their business-grade stuff is best in the industry (although Lenovo has been making some moves lately).
Their consumer grade stuff is, well, junk, but so is pretty much everything in that market.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:45 PM (AkOaV)
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"Everyone has been predicting the End of Trump since before he even announced. But it's over. The high-water mark has been reached and now the long slow retreat begins."
The irony of this statement is too funny and it's obviously lost on the author.
For the #293,596,889 time, it's over, I tell ya.
The irony of this statement is too funny and it's obviously lost on the author.
For the #293,596,889 time, it's over, I tell ya.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at September 18, 2015 01:46 PM (Yu7Ct)
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Ace,
Cleanup in Aisle Headline and Post.
I think this one will come back to bite Drew.
The gift that keeps on giving...
Cleanup in Aisle Headline and Post.
I think this one will come back to bite Drew.
The gift that keeps on giving...
Posted by: Mister Ghost at September 18, 2015 01:46 PM (BLxzP)
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Jim Glimore's SS code name is "Who?"
Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 18, 2015 01:46 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: DRayRaven at September 18, 2015 01:46 PM (9YRwm)
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Someone else said it better than I ever could: that they hadn't voted for McCain, but rather voted for a ticket of Sarah Palin / Sudden Myocardial Infarction.
Heh. I might have voted that year if I'd heard it put that way.
Heh. I might have voted that year if I'd heard it put that way.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 18, 2015 01:46 PM (JtwS4)
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These guys kill me.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:39 PM (tAYH3)Cut. Jib. Newsletter.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:39 PM (tAYH3)Cut. Jib. Newsletter.
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 01:47 PM (5vV+V)
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So far Trump has been amusing and I like the illegal alien thing ,other than that there isn't much...
Posted by: donna at September 18, 2015 01:47 PM (hUdMz)
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How secret are these code names? Wasn't there some recent thing about Hillary's SS code name? Does anyone know Obama's?
The cocksucker is moving. Repeat. The cocksucker is moving.
The cocksucker is moving. Repeat. The cocksucker is moving.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2015 01:47 PM (rIQuo)
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Sure Jeb is more pro-amnesty than Rubio
Drew, since you are writing a post about "knowledge" and how stupid Trump is you ought to pay a little more attention to the facts, yourself.
Rubio, Jebbers and the rest of the treasonous scum are not advocating "amnesty". Amnesty involves merely not prosecuting someone for a crime,, but that is not all there is to it. It doesn't involve letting them keep the ill-gotten gains of their crime. If someone steals a car, then amnesty is allowing the person to return the car (or pay the equivalent) and not being held criminally liable for it. Amnesty is NOT letting the car thief keep the car and drive around free in it. Further, the sort of thing you are mistakenly calling "amnesty" is most certainly NOT forcing the owner of the car to put the car thief's name on the title to the house, too, and making him take the car thief in (as a new part owner of the house). That is not amnesty. That is the government aiding and abetting the crime and even sweetening the crime for the criminal against the interests of the property owner.
Rubio, Jebbers and the rest of the Vichy GOP are not pushing "amnesty" for illegals. That would be merely to deport them but not hold their invasive breaches of our territory against them. THAT would be amnesty. What Rubio, Jebbers and the Vichy GOP are promoting is fiving aid and comfort to the invading illegals. i.e. TREASON. Illegals are incading and stealing a right to be present in this nation. The Vichy GOP traitors are giving them that AND they are sweetening the pot for the invaders by pushing to give them citizenship, too, which is somethign that the invading illegals never came for. It's like a lottery hit for them. And the ones pushing to make that lottery payoff to the invaders are pure traitors.
So, get it straight. It's not amnesty they're offering. It's treason they're committing.
Next time you write about what an idiot Tumpr is you should take more care in throwing stones around your glass house.
Drew, since you are writing a post about "knowledge" and how stupid Trump is you ought to pay a little more attention to the facts, yourself.
Rubio, Jebbers and the rest of the treasonous scum are not advocating "amnesty". Amnesty involves merely not prosecuting someone for a crime,, but that is not all there is to it. It doesn't involve letting them keep the ill-gotten gains of their crime. If someone steals a car, then amnesty is allowing the person to return the car (or pay the equivalent) and not being held criminally liable for it. Amnesty is NOT letting the car thief keep the car and drive around free in it. Further, the sort of thing you are mistakenly calling "amnesty" is most certainly NOT forcing the owner of the car to put the car thief's name on the title to the house, too, and making him take the car thief in (as a new part owner of the house). That is not amnesty. That is the government aiding and abetting the crime and even sweetening the crime for the criminal against the interests of the property owner.
Rubio, Jebbers and the rest of the Vichy GOP are not pushing "amnesty" for illegals. That would be merely to deport them but not hold their invasive breaches of our territory against them. THAT would be amnesty. What Rubio, Jebbers and the Vichy GOP are promoting is fiving aid and comfort to the invading illegals. i.e. TREASON. Illegals are incading and stealing a right to be present in this nation. The Vichy GOP traitors are giving them that AND they are sweetening the pot for the invaders by pushing to give them citizenship, too, which is somethign that the invading illegals never came for. It's like a lottery hit for them. And the ones pushing to make that lottery payoff to the invaders are pure traitors.
So, get it straight. It's not amnesty they're offering. It's treason they're committing.
Next time you write about what an idiot Tumpr is you should take more care in throwing stones around your glass house.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 18, 2015 01:47 PM (zc3Db)
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Sambo
Not sure, I only seem to remember a story about someone having the codename "Evergreen "-- not sure who it was.
Not sure, I only seem to remember a story about someone having the codename "Evergreen "-- not sure who it was.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:47 PM (mcm0N)
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One thing...every single person that said "this is the end of Trump" has been wrong. Every.Single.One
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at September 18, 2015 01:44 PM (uJK1E)
So far.
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at September 18, 2015 01:44 PM (uJK1E)
So far.
Posted by: Sambo at September 18, 2015 01:47 PM (9UV3C)
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"Except Carly is the fembot version of the Mittbot 3000."
Mitt lost partly because he was too conciliatory to attack Obama after the first debate. I doubt Carly suffers from the same civility.
Mitt lost partly because he was too conciliatory to attack Obama after the first debate. I doubt Carly suffers from the same civility.
Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression at September 18, 2015 01:47 PM (ZufZo)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at September 18, 2015 01:47 PM (0q2P7)
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Rubio is just another Chamber of Slime mercenary posing as a politician. No thanks, Bush nor Rubio are worthy of voting for.
Posted by: Rose at September 18, 2015 01:48 PM (epC6E)
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And for the clusterfuck that's going to be my city next week, I award this Pope no stars.
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 18, 2015 01:48 PM (5npD/)
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Yes, all of my laptops and tablets are HP.
Their business-grade stuff is best in the industry (although Lenovo has been making some moves lately).
Their consumer grade stuff is, well, junk, but so is pretty much everything in that market.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:45 PM (AkOaV)
Business-grade is quality.
Made the big mistake of buying the HP consumer grade for my wife, though.
Worked flawlessly until the under rated power supply hiccuped and fried the power hungry AMD processor.
Yes, all of my laptops and tablets are HP.
Their business-grade stuff is best in the industry (although Lenovo has been making some moves lately).
Their consumer grade stuff is, well, junk, but so is pretty much everything in that market.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:45 PM (AkOaV)
Business-grade is quality.
Made the big mistake of buying the HP consumer grade for my wife, though.
Worked flawlessly until the under rated power supply hiccuped and fried the power hungry AMD processor.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 18, 2015 01:48 PM (M+9nV)
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How secret are these code names? Wasn't there some recent thing about Hillary's SS code name? Does anyone know Obama's?
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Well, Reagan's was Rawhide so I assume Obama's is Bareback.
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Well, Reagan's was Rawhide so I assume Obama's is Bareback.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 18, 2015 01:48 PM (XUKZU)
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The issue -to the LOW INFO VOTER - is not about competence. Its she stole peoples jobs to make more money for a corporation. Its not just your vote we have to win, its the majority of the independent vote as well. The idjit's who can't make up their mind and don't pay attention until the dirty commercials start running.
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 01:43 PM (XkdIH)
Fine, but it was easy to defend Romneys lay offs -- he did what he had to do to keep those businesses afloat, and had a very good record of buying failing businesses and turning them around. I don't think those lay offs really hurt him in the primaries or general, because most people understood that. "Well, its better to lay off 5,000 then have the company go out of business."
Carly's HP story doesn't have a good ending like Romneys stories did.
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 01:43 PM (XkdIH)
Fine, but it was easy to defend Romneys lay offs -- he did what he had to do to keep those businesses afloat, and had a very good record of buying failing businesses and turning them around. I don't think those lay offs really hurt him in the primaries or general, because most people understood that. "Well, its better to lay off 5,000 then have the company go out of business."
Carly's HP story doesn't have a good ending like Romneys stories did.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:48 PM (AkOaV)
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Ah, but Trump will endorse Cruz, and chaos reigns again!
Posted by: logprof at September 18, 2015 01:49 PM (vsbNu)
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Hillary: Keystone Pipeline One Of My Favorite Issues Refuses To Say What Her Position Is
Weasel Zippers
If the choice is between that bitch and jeb, then maybe it is time for a little revolution
Weasel Zippers
If the choice is between that bitch and jeb, then maybe it is time for a little revolution
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:49 PM (DUoqb)
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Not a Trump fan, but appreciative of his having altered the entire framework of what is being discussed. I sincerely hope that some reality about the fact that the federal government role as a paid assassin to protect our way of life (the reason the Founders insisted on having it) will continue to be addressed in some manner. For years now I have blasted the Republican party phone callers and just of late, they have finally stopped calling. Must be the fact that we no longer even answered when we saw the caller ID. Still getting the nonsense JEB! mailers which go directly into the trash. Because the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expect different results, there is NO WAY I will vote for the next RINO. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. I'm done with shame.
Posted by: Sharon W at September 18, 2015 01:49 PM (Xhsh5)
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Carly's HP story doesn't have a good ending like Romneys stories did.
And Hillary! has e-mails, and Benghazi.... Does that have a happy ending...?
And Hillary! has e-mails, and Benghazi.... Does that have a happy ending...?
Posted by: donna at September 18, 2015 01:49 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 01:49 PM (mcm0N)
363
I will not vote for Jeb. I'm done.
Posted by: PBJ5959 at September 18, 2015 01:50 PM (r1du+)
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ALL people from Ohio should be banned from voting as long as Boehner is in congress. Just sayin.
Its worse than you know. Boehner graduated from the same high school as I did. Gosh it hurt to type that.
He's not my congressman though. I moved. For awhile Kucinich was my congressman but they redistricted. I'm actually more pissed to be associated with Boehner at this point.
ALL people from Ohio should be banned from voting as long as Boehner is in congress. Just sayin.
Its worse than you know. Boehner graduated from the same high school as I did. Gosh it hurt to type that.
He's not my congressman though. I moved. For awhile Kucinich was my congressman but they redistricted. I'm actually more pissed to be associated with Boehner at this point.
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 01:50 PM (5vV+V)
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For the #293,596,890 time, it's over, I tell ya.
For the #293,596,891 time, it's over, I tell ya.
For the #293,596,892 time, it's over, I tell ya.
For the #293,596,893 time, it's over, I tell ya.
For the #293,596,894 time, it's over, I tell ya.
For the #293,596,895 time, it's over, I tell ya.
For the #293,596,896 time, it's over, I tell ya.
For the #293,596,897 time, it's over, I tell ya.
For the #293,596,898 time, it's over, I tell ya.
For the #293,596,899 time, it's over, I tell ya.
For the #293,596,891 time, it's over, I tell ya.
For the #293,596,892 time, it's over, I tell ya.
For the #293,596,893 time, it's over, I tell ya.
For the #293,596,894 time, it's over, I tell ya.
For the #293,596,895 time, it's over, I tell ya.
For the #293,596,896 time, it's over, I tell ya.
For the #293,596,897 time, it's over, I tell ya.
For the #293,596,898 time, it's over, I tell ya.
For the #293,596,899 time, it's over, I tell ya.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at September 18, 2015 01:50 PM (Yu7Ct)
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With all due respect, Drew, you have been predicticing it would be Jeb since Day One. It just looked smarter on Day One.
While Hillary! can survive being an inept retail candidate (just like Jeb) let's agree that the Republican field is a little deeper than the Donks. Plus, there are also establishment alternatives to Jeb (Rubio is younger, Christie is funnier and Lyndsey Graham is....well....ok , never mind).
It's a long process. And looking back at this time in past races, you would have had Presidents Hillary!, Dean and Gulliani.
While Hillary! can survive being an inept retail candidate (just like Jeb) let's agree that the Republican field is a little deeper than the Donks. Plus, there are also establishment alternatives to Jeb (Rubio is younger, Christie is funnier and Lyndsey Graham is....well....ok , never mind).
It's a long process. And looking back at this time in past races, you would have had Presidents Hillary!, Dean and Gulliani.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 18, 2015 01:50 PM (/HC6x)
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Well, well, well, if Yeb!s the nominee, I'll have one less task to do on election day. I won't vote.
Still hoping Cruz can somehow eek it out.
Still hoping Cruz can somehow eek it out.
Posted by: Marmo, eater of pie at September 18, 2015 01:51 PM (QW+AD)
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Cruz, he's our only hope.
Any amnesty flunky is a non starter for me. PERIOD. THAT MEANS RUBIO AS WELL AS JEB.
Any amnesty flunky is a non starter for me. PERIOD. THAT MEANS RUBIO AS WELL AS JEB.
Posted by: Smashmaster at September 18, 2015 01:51 PM (NGUbp)
369
I will not vote for Jeb. I'm done.
I won't either... Of course I live in Ca., so My vote doesn't count anyway.... It's the principle...
I won't either... Of course I live in Ca., so My vote doesn't count anyway.... It's the principle...
Posted by: donna at September 18, 2015 01:51 PM (hUdMz)
370
One thing...every single person that said "this is the end of Trump" has been wrong. Every.Single.One
Posted by: MrKnowItAll
Trump has run for President every single election cycle since like the early 90's.
It's never been taken this far, but is anyone really going to be surprised if he once again decides to drop out?
Posted by: MrKnowItAll
Trump has run for President every single election cycle since like the early 90's.
It's never been taken this far, but is anyone really going to be surprised if he once again decides to drop out?
Posted by: Coolio at September 18, 2015 01:51 PM (19oJa)
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Well, Reagan's was Rawhide so I assume Obama's is Bareback.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 18, 2015 01:48 PM (XUKZU)
Renegade
Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 18, 2015 01:48 PM (XUKZU)
Renegade
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 18, 2015 01:51 PM (fWAjv)
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"The Demise of Trump" - Over 1 billion served.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at September 18, 2015 01:51 PM (Yu7Ct)
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there is NO WAY I will vote for the next RINO. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. I'm done with shame.
Posted by: Sharon W at September 18, 2015 01:49 PM (Xhsh5)
And i think that is a very persuasive attitude out there and the big reason it will not be jeb, and if they try to ram that scum down our throats, it just might be the end of the Republican party and the Republic as we know it, since we will NEVER be able to come back from another 4 years of democratic communism
Posted by: Sharon W at September 18, 2015 01:49 PM (Xhsh5)
And i think that is a very persuasive attitude out there and the big reason it will not be jeb, and if they try to ram that scum down our throats, it just might be the end of the Republican party and the Republic as we know it, since we will NEVER be able to come back from another 4 years of democratic communism
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:51 PM (DUoqb)
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Usually we get trolled in the comments, not the post.
Have we met?
Have we met?
Posted by: Mabe Galor at September 18, 2015 01:51 PM (+W1gD)
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Made the big mistake of buying the HP consumer grade for my wife, though.
Worked flawlessly until the under rated power supply hiccuped and fried the power hungry AMD processor.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 18, 2015 01:48 PM (M+9nV)
Yeah, I don't buy any consumer grade electronics when I can avoid it.
Because what happens is that WalMart (or Best Buy or whoever) goes to HP and says, "Can you make us a device with an intel processor that we can sell for under $400?" and HP (and all the big manufacturers) scramble to find a way to make that happen.
Thus, the plastic fans and the underpowered power supplies and the cheap, lightweight, easy to break cases, and the crappy keyboards, etc.
They're designed to be commodity products -- pretty interchangeable, made for a few years of light use, then going in the trash and being replaced.
Which is fine for something like a $200 Chromebook. But for a laptop that I use for work and need to throw around in a bag, etc. I need something a little more reliable and with a little more longevity.
So if you are going to buy a laptop, find something business grade. There isn't a huge price difference (maybe $50 or so) and it is well worth paying the extra money.
Worked flawlessly until the under rated power supply hiccuped and fried the power hungry AMD processor.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 18, 2015 01:48 PM (M+9nV)
Yeah, I don't buy any consumer grade electronics when I can avoid it.
Because what happens is that WalMart (or Best Buy or whoever) goes to HP and says, "Can you make us a device with an intel processor that we can sell for under $400?" and HP (and all the big manufacturers) scramble to find a way to make that happen.
Thus, the plastic fans and the underpowered power supplies and the cheap, lightweight, easy to break cases, and the crappy keyboards, etc.
They're designed to be commodity products -- pretty interchangeable, made for a few years of light use, then going in the trash and being replaced.
Which is fine for something like a $200 Chromebook. But for a laptop that I use for work and need to throw around in a bag, etc. I need something a little more reliable and with a little more longevity.
So if you are going to buy a laptop, find something business grade. There isn't a huge price difference (maybe $50 or so) and it is well worth paying the extra money.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:51 PM (AkOaV)
376
Or Renegayde
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 18, 2015 01:52 PM (fWAjv)
377
Carly's HP story doesn't have a good ending like Romneys stories did.
And Hillary! has e-mails, and Benghazi.... Does that have a happy ending...?
Hillary will not be the dem nominee. Its gonna be Biden and Fauxcahontas.
Carly's HP story doesn't have a good ending like Romneys stories did.
And Hillary! has e-mails, and Benghazi.... Does that have a happy ending...?
Hillary will not be the dem nominee. Its gonna be Biden and Fauxcahontas.
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 01:52 PM (XkdIH)
378
Well, look at that. SS presidential code names are listed in wikipedia. I wonder what the point is, then.
http://tinyurl.com/ousy29o
And Obama's is Renegade. Apparently someone places value on irony.
http://tinyurl.com/ousy29o
And Obama's is Renegade. Apparently someone places value on irony.
Posted by: Sambo at September 18, 2015 01:52 PM (9UV3C)
379
355
Yes, all of my laptops and tablets are HP.
Their business-grade stuff is best in the industry (although Lenovo has been making some moves lately).
Their consumer grade stuff is, well, junk, but so is pretty much everything in that market.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:45 PM (AkOaV)
Business-grade is quality.
Made the big mistake of buying the HP consumer grade for my wife, though.
Worked flawlessly until the under rated power supply hiccuped and fried the power hungry AMD processor.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 18, 2015 01:48 PM (M+9nV)
Just don't buy Apple, unless you have to work on that platform. Totally overpriced. And they keep changing/eliminating ports!
Yes, all of my laptops and tablets are HP.
Their business-grade stuff is best in the industry (although Lenovo has been making some moves lately).
Their consumer grade stuff is, well, junk, but so is pretty much everything in that market.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:45 PM (AkOaV)
Business-grade is quality.
Made the big mistake of buying the HP consumer grade for my wife, though.
Worked flawlessly until the under rated power supply hiccuped and fried the power hungry AMD processor.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 18, 2015 01:48 PM (M+9nV)
Just don't buy Apple, unless you have to work on that platform. Totally overpriced. And they keep changing/eliminating ports!
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:52 PM (tAYH3)
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UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL I VOTE FOR JEB.
Posted by: TC at September 18, 2015 01:53 PM (vYB+W)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 18, 2015 01:53 PM (LXJ1e)
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>>Carly's HP story doesn't have a good ending like Romneys stories did.
After the 1st debate Carly buzz I saw Debbie W-S respond to it with a single line, something like "She couldn't run HP successfully so why would she be qualified America?"
It was the perfect Lefty smear, where one would have to spend paragraphs refuting not only the Carly characterization, but the fact that Obama had *less* experience at running things than Carly.
After the 1st debate Carly buzz I saw Debbie W-S respond to it with a single line, something like "She couldn't run HP successfully so why would she be qualified America?"
It was the perfect Lefty smear, where one would have to spend paragraphs refuting not only the Carly characterization, but the fact that Obama had *less* experience at running things than Carly.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2015 01:53 PM (NOIQH)
383
378 Obama's is Renegade? I would've guessed something along the lines of FuckHead.
Posted by: Weasel at September 18, 2015 01:53 PM (6xtq3)
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Just don't buy Apple, unless you have to work on that platform. Totally overpriced. And they keep changing/eliminating ports!
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:52 PM (tAYH3)
Apples are not over priced since they last for ever and actually work.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:52 PM (tAYH3)
Apples are not over priced since they last for ever and actually work.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:53 PM (DUoqb)
385
We were talking about good TV theme songs last night and I completely forgot Rawhide.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 18, 2015 01:53 PM (XUKZU)
386
Actually, Drew, Cruz has raised a shit ton of money.
It won't be Jeb.
Posted by: DRayRaven at September 18, 2015 01:46 PM (9YRwm)
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Well, I certainly hope that people are more reasonable than that. Senator Cruz has even less experience on the national stage than Senators Rubio and Paul. I wonder who is donating all that money if he really has raised "a shit ton". There isnt any funny business going on with the Cruz campaign, is there?
It won't be Jeb.
Posted by: DRayRaven at September 18, 2015 01:46 PM (9YRwm)
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Well, I certainly hope that people are more reasonable than that. Senator Cruz has even less experience on the national stage than Senators Rubio and Paul. I wonder who is donating all that money if he really has raised "a shit ton". There isnt any funny business going on with the Cruz campaign, is there?
Posted by: Begonia at September 18, 2015 01:53 PM (ttgbf)
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383 378 Obama's is Renegade? I would've guessed something along the lines of FuckHead.
I was thing pantywaist...
I was thing pantywaist...
Posted by: donna at September 18, 2015 01:54 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 18, 2015 01:54 PM (fWAjv)
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I'm not Catholic, but it sure seems like this Pope is different from past ones...
Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2015 01:42 PM (NOIQH)
What would make you think Pope Che is different from our previous one? /sarc
Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2015 01:42 PM (NOIQH)
What would make you think Pope Che is different from our previous one? /sarc
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 18, 2015 01:54 PM (493sH)
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Is that a fact or an opinion Drew? Seems like Trumps demise would only really mean Trumps demise.
Either that or you're now a full blown Trump supporter.
HRC's code name was evergreen and fadeaway. Which sounds like wishful thinking on someone's part. I would have gone with bowling pin or the weeble, and that would be kind.
Is that a fact or an opinion Drew? Seems like Trumps demise would only really mean Trumps demise.
Either that or you're now a full blown Trump supporter.
HRC's code name was evergreen and fadeaway. Which sounds like wishful thinking on someone's part. I would have gone with bowling pin or the weeble, and that would be kind.
Posted by: GBruno at September 18, 2015 01:54 PM (u49WF)
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So if you are going to buy a laptop, find something business grade. There isn't a huge price difference (maybe $50 or so) and it is well worth paying the extra money.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:51 PM (AkOaV)
Found her one with an Intel processor and 8 GB memory expandable to 16.
Came with Windoze 8.
It's always something! ...
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 18, 2015 01:51 PM (AkOaV)
Found her one with an Intel processor and 8 GB memory expandable to 16.
Came with Windoze 8.
It's always something! ...
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 18, 2015 01:54 PM (M+9nV)
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>>204 Also this whole campaign season has at last proven to me something which I tried hard to not to accept - Libertarians are ivory tower idiots. There is a reason why their political ideology has never coalesced into a political party that can get anything except a few percentage points in the polls. They don't understand human nature at all, but live in abstract fantasies...so instead when the world rejects them they attack everyone else and return back to their tower and drool over pictures of John Locke and Montesquieu.
Political ideologies are pseudo-religions. None of them will let reality get in the way of their faith-based path to the Utopian promised land.
As belief-systems go libertarianism is not horrendous. I'd say it's probably better than most any of the political alternatives. But politically it's a complete joke and total failure. That won't stop libertarians from believing what they believe any more than a failure to convert everyone will make Mormons give up on Mormonism. But any idea that libertarianism can work politically must ultimately be based on semi-religious faith in the eternal truth of their Values. They ain't got nothing else.
Political ideologies are pseudo-religions. None of them will let reality get in the way of their faith-based path to the Utopian promised land.
As belief-systems go libertarianism is not horrendous. I'd say it's probably better than most any of the political alternatives. But politically it's a complete joke and total failure. That won't stop libertarians from believing what they believe any more than a failure to convert everyone will make Mormons give up on Mormonism. But any idea that libertarianism can work politically must ultimately be based on semi-religious faith in the eternal truth of their Values. They ain't got nothing else.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 18, 2015 01:54 PM (TULs6)
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If anyone but Cruz or Trump are the nominee, I will not be voting.
I won't vote for congress/senate as those GOP people are less than useless - they are dishonest.
I won't vote for an "r" candidate for president who will give us amnesty.
So, I won't vote. I hope most conservatives do the same.
Anyone who says "but the dems will win" is an idiot. If someone like Jeb wins - the GOP will remain exactly the same and the dems win anyway.
voting GOP is the definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
I won't vote for congress/senate as those GOP people are less than useless - they are dishonest.
I won't vote for an "r" candidate for president who will give us amnesty.
So, I won't vote. I hope most conservatives do the same.
Anyone who says "but the dems will win" is an idiot. If someone like Jeb wins - the GOP will remain exactly the same and the dems win anyway.
voting GOP is the definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 18, 2015 01:54 PM (3ZtZW)
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Pastafarian you read my mind. Hence my "bitching about a navy comment" further up. The guys (Drew yew bastid) posting this defeatist tripe are ostensibly our connected intellectuals, the "good conservatives" with a pulpit.
Ace. Call Donald on the phone and tell him who you are and that you want to help him get his message straight. We will never have this opportunity to correct course again in our lifetimes.
Ace. Call Donald on the phone and tell him who you are and that you want to help him get his message straight. We will never have this opportunity to correct course again in our lifetimes.
Posted by: kari at September 18, 2015 01:54 PM (jSmft)
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U.S. Army Captain Who Led Bergdahls Platoon Describes Grueling Search For Him After He Walked Off Base
The sad part is the current pathetic excuse for a Commander-in-Chief known as Barack Obama knew all of this and yet he still swapped the five top Taliban commanders in Gitmo for Bergdahl.
Weasel Zippers
I hope they bury that SOB deeper than the Titanic
The sad part is the current pathetic excuse for a Commander-in-Chief known as Barack Obama knew all of this and yet he still swapped the five top Taliban commanders in Gitmo for Bergdahl.
Weasel Zippers
I hope they bury that SOB deeper than the Titanic
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:55 PM (DUoqb)
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388 Michelle Obama - Renaissance
Malia Obama - Radiance
Sasha Obama - Rosebud
Now I'm gonna barf...
Malia Obama - Radiance
Sasha Obama - Rosebud
Now I'm gonna barf...
Posted by: donna at September 18, 2015 01:55 PM (hUdMz)
397
Drew had a date with a Fat Lady who sings.
Unfortunately for him, that Fat Lady who sings was Megan McCain.
Unfortunately for him, that Fat Lady who sings was Megan McCain.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at September 18, 2015 01:55 PM (Yu7Ct)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 18, 2015 01:55 PM (XUKZU)
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Carly's HP story doesn't have a good ending like Romneys stories did.
Ding Ding Ding. Give that man and cigar, or lady a blue dress.
Carly's HP story doesn't have a good ending like Romneys stories did.
Ding Ding Ding. Give that man and cigar, or lady a blue dress.
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 01:55 PM (5vV+V)
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I'd buy the whole "Jeb waits out Carly and spends money" meme if Jeb and his team hadn't already demonstrated beyond the shadow of any doubt that they are (a) clueless (b) stupid (c) morons.
Team Jeb couldn't organize a keg party in the warehouse of a brewery even if the instructions were printed on 8 by 10 foot posters in Helvetica 256 point.
Handy wallet-sized card:
=============================================
Fiorina = Smart.
Dave Kochel = Dinosaur.
Danny Diaz = Qien es mas teirno? Yo soy mas tierno!
(Part of Mitt Romney's "can't lose" brain trust, incidentally.)
=============================================
(Clip out for future reference).
I'd buy the whole "Jeb waits out Carly and spends money" meme if Jeb and his team hadn't already demonstrated beyond the shadow of any doubt that they are (a) clueless (b) stupid (c) morons.
Team Jeb couldn't organize a keg party in the warehouse of a brewery even if the instructions were printed on 8 by 10 foot posters in Helvetica 256 point.
Handy wallet-sized card:
=============================================
Fiorina = Smart.
Dave Kochel = Dinosaur.
Danny Diaz = Qien es mas teirno? Yo soy mas tierno!
(Part of Mitt Romney's "can't lose" brain trust, incidentally.)
=============================================
(Clip out for future reference).
Posted by: Marcopohlo at September 18, 2015 01:55 PM (IQZxT)
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I'd rather have my Macbook Pro than any laptop I've owned in the past.
I sometimes boot up my Lenovo to play a game, and can't get over what a cheap piece of shit it feels like.
Yeah, Apple's expensive, and there's a certain amount of tools you have to deal with, but they're mostly good products.
I sometimes boot up my Lenovo to play a game, and can't get over what a cheap piece of shit it feels like.
Yeah, Apple's expensive, and there's a certain amount of tools you have to deal with, but they're mostly good products.
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 18, 2015 01:55 PM (5npD/)
402
It's over! With Indy's lose atvBuffalo andvtge Seahawks to se to the Rams New England will win the super bowl.
Posted by: What Drew would post if he covered sports at September 18, 2015 01:55 PM (/HC6x)
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>>Malia Obama - Radiance
Um, she's the one who constantly scowls like her mom, right?
That's like calling the fat guy "tiny" or the short guy "stretch" or the dumb guy "Einstein....
Um, she's the one who constantly scowls like her mom, right?
That's like calling the fat guy "tiny" or the short guy "stretch" or the dumb guy "Einstein....
Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2015 01:56 PM (NOIQH)
404
I'm not kidding, call his secretary and ask for a meeting. If you can keep your identity secret all this time you can find a direct phone number.
Posted by: kari at September 18, 2015 01:56 PM (jSmft)
405
Jeb Bush - Tripper
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 18, 2015 01:56 PM (fWAjv)
406
Operation Trump is already in full swing:
Dems, especially Blacks, who have had enough of both parties are registering Republican to get Trump the nomination. Illegal Immigration is the reason and all know it.
Americans are done with it.
No Bush.
Dems, especially Blacks, who have had enough of both parties are registering Republican to get Trump the nomination. Illegal Immigration is the reason and all know it.
Americans are done with it.
No Bush.
Posted by: TT at September 18, 2015 01:56 PM (3o++7)
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Well, Reagan's was Rawhide so I assume Obama's is Bareback.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 18, 2015 01:48 PM (XUKZU)
C*ckgobbler was taken?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 18, 2015 01:48 PM (XUKZU)
C*ckgobbler was taken?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 18, 2015 01:56 PM (493sH)
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I hate liberturdians.
The only thing they've ever accomplished in their entire pathetic excuse for a lifetime is to hand Bill the rapist Clinton the presidency on a silver platter and get in the way of us, REAL Americans, defeating the scum of the earth -- dimocraps.
Listen up, morons.......
You don't vote for a PERSON, you vote for a PARTY.
There are over 1,400 positions that have to be filled by a new President and ratified by the Senate. And Hundreds more that don't require Senate Confirmation.
Do you think Trump even knows 1,400 people that don't want to punch him the nose?
It is the PARTY that recommends people like Lois Lerner. It is the PARTY that recommends who runs the EPA. It is the PARTY that recommends Eric Holder.
And you people that fall for the tough talk from Cruz (who cost us at least 2 Senate Seats with his idiotic goobermint shutdown) and the bluster from Trump the Punk and LUNACY from Rand Paul........
You're being used. But, that's what happens to stupid people. They get used.
It's the Party that determines the direction of the Country. Are you all so silly that you think Barack (the lying cocksucker) obama is doing all this on his own? Are you that silly?
Back the Party or shut the fuck up. You want to take over the Party from the inside? Go for it. I might even join you.
But when someone says they'll vote other-than-Republican if _______ wins?
Fuck you. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
If tou wanna ban me for that, Ace? Have at it.
The object here, my short-peckered friends, is to DEFEAT the scum of the earth. NOT to find a President Jesus.
There is no such person.
The only thing they've ever accomplished in their entire pathetic excuse for a lifetime is to hand Bill the rapist Clinton the presidency on a silver platter and get in the way of us, REAL Americans, defeating the scum of the earth -- dimocraps.
Listen up, morons.......
You don't vote for a PERSON, you vote for a PARTY.
There are over 1,400 positions that have to be filled by a new President and ratified by the Senate. And Hundreds more that don't require Senate Confirmation.
Do you think Trump even knows 1,400 people that don't want to punch him the nose?
It is the PARTY that recommends people like Lois Lerner. It is the PARTY that recommends who runs the EPA. It is the PARTY that recommends Eric Holder.
And you people that fall for the tough talk from Cruz (who cost us at least 2 Senate Seats with his idiotic goobermint shutdown) and the bluster from Trump the Punk and LUNACY from Rand Paul........
You're being used. But, that's what happens to stupid people. They get used.
It's the Party that determines the direction of the Country. Are you all so silly that you think Barack (the lying cocksucker) obama is doing all this on his own? Are you that silly?
Back the Party or shut the fuck up. You want to take over the Party from the inside? Go for it. I might even join you.
But when someone says they'll vote other-than-Republican if _______ wins?
Fuck you. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
If tou wanna ban me for that, Ace? Have at it.
The object here, my short-peckered friends, is to DEFEAT the scum of the earth. NOT to find a President Jesus.
There is no such person.
Posted by: Uncle Rick at September 18, 2015 01:56 PM (ZbB1q)
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>>>I'm not Catholic, but it sure seems like this Pope is different from past ones...<<<
Yeah can we get Benedict to come back as the Antipope? 'Cause this Francis character is as divisive as they come.
Yeah can we get Benedict to come back as the Antipope? 'Cause this Francis character is as divisive as they come.
Posted by: Fritz at September 18, 2015 01:57 PM (3tjn4)
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Rocket strikes open area inside city of Sderot
Sirens in south come after day of violence in East Jerusalem and West Bank as well as protest in Gaza against Israel.
The religion of peace at it again. Hey maybe Malia will go live in Sderot for the fall semester or something?
Sirens in south come after day of violence in East Jerusalem and West Bank as well as protest in Gaza against Israel.
The religion of peace at it again. Hey maybe Malia will go live in Sderot for the fall semester or something?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:57 PM (DUoqb)
411
You make a good point, there's no denying it. There clearly will be a lot of GOP support for Mr. Tippy-Toes.
But... the anger is still real, and still there, and it's not as if Trump and Fiorina are going to go away.
They could, if they slip far enough, rally their supporters behind Cruz. Cruz has enough renegade to make him acceptable to the Trump-supporters, while being a US Senator which makes him palatable to the GOP.
He's nobody's first choice, but as a compromise...? It might be Cruz.
But... the anger is still real, and still there, and it's not as if Trump and Fiorina are going to go away.
They could, if they slip far enough, rally their supporters behind Cruz. Cruz has enough renegade to make him acceptable to the Trump-supporters, while being a US Senator which makes him palatable to the GOP.
He's nobody's first choice, but as a compromise...? It might be Cruz.
Posted by: RobM1981 at September 18, 2015 01:57 PM (zurJC)
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Apples are not over priced since they last for ever and actually work.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:53 PM (DUoqb)
Dude, I'm calling totes bullshit on that. Apples last as long as Apple decides to support them, which is about half of what Microsoft supports. You can get Windows 10 to run on 32bit architecture. Try doing that with Yosemite or El Capitan.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:53 PM (DUoqb)
Dude, I'm calling totes bullshit on that. Apples last as long as Apple decides to support them, which is about half of what Microsoft supports. You can get Windows 10 to run on 32bit architecture. Try doing that with Yosemite or El Capitan.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:57 PM (tAYH3)
413
384 Just don't buy Apple, unless you have to work on that platform. Totally overpriced. And they keep changing/eliminating ports!
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:52 PM (tAYH3)
Apples are not over priced since they last for ever and actually work.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:53 PM (DUoqb)
Yes. My Apple II and IIgs still work just fine!
I did have to give up on the Mac, though, since there were no compatible OS upgrades for it.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:52 PM (tAYH3)
Apples are not over priced since they last for ever and actually work.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:53 PM (DUoqb)
Yes. My Apple II and IIgs still work just fine!
I did have to give up on the Mac, though, since there were no compatible OS upgrades for it.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 18, 2015 01:57 PM (M+9nV)
414
Yes, it makes sense to vote libertarian, people who believe there should be no borders at all. That will cure the illegal problem.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 18, 2015 01:57 PM (OGm46)
415
Where can I get a Bernie Sanders bumper sticker?
Posted by: joeclark.phd at September 18, 2015 01:58 PM (7ubuu)
416
I might allow my wife to strap a chain on my ass to drag me to the polls to vote for Cruz, but I will not vote for anyone else currently running except for Trump.
And if Trump does drop in the polls, revoke his pledge and run third-party, I will be voting third-party.
And if Trump does drop in the polls, revoke his pledge and run third-party, I will be voting third-party.
Posted by: Stay out da bushes at September 18, 2015 01:58 PM (uRumV)
417
Dude, I'm calling totes bullshit on that. Apples last as long as Apple decides to support them, which is about half of what Microsoft supports. You can get Windows 10 to run on 32bit architecture. Try doing that with Yosemite or El Capitan.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:57 PM (tAYH3)
Yeah crap. Windows 8 didn't even work the day it cam out.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 01:57 PM (tAYH3)
Yeah crap. Windows 8 didn't even work the day it cam out.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:58 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: Uncle Rick at September 18, 2015 01:59 PM (ZbB1q)
419
You don't vote for a PERSON, you vote for a PARTY.
----
Not when that party consistently screws you
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Not when that party consistently screws you
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 18, 2015 01:59 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Mortimer at September 18, 2015 01:59 PM (0dcbp)
421
*reads the thread*
*goes back and reads ALL the threads*
It's official. If we got the Re-animated corpse of Ronald Reagan to run on a platform of pure Reaganism, half the Horde would be questioning the motives of the witch what re-animated him.
10% would deny that witches exist, and say that the witch story is the cover for the GOPe.
20% would say that Reagan was perfect for his time, but his zombified ideologies don't fit the times.
10% would insist they could never vote for anyone who got hoodwinked by Tip O'Neil on amnesty. Ever.
10% would say still Trump because LIB.
*settles in for Biden presidency*
*goes back and reads ALL the threads*
It's official. If we got the Re-animated corpse of Ronald Reagan to run on a platform of pure Reaganism, half the Horde would be questioning the motives of the witch what re-animated him.
10% would deny that witches exist, and say that the witch story is the cover for the GOPe.
20% would say that Reagan was perfect for his time, but his zombified ideologies don't fit the times.
10% would insist they could never vote for anyone who got hoodwinked by Tip O'Neil on amnesty. Ever.
10% would say still Trump because LIB.
*settles in for Biden presidency*
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 18, 2015 01:59 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 18, 2015 01:59 PM (493sH)
423
And Obama's is Renegade. Apparently someone places value on irony.
"The bear is loose. Repeat. The bowels are loose!"
"The bear is loose. Repeat. The bowels are loose!"
Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2015 01:59 PM (rIQuo)
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#298 "Have you met a single Republican that is voting for Jeb Bush? That
should tell you something. I don't think I've seen a single poster on
any conservative blog back him. Not one."
Raises hand. I have posted several pro Jeb comments here and at HotAir, more on NRO.
But measuring support or non-support by blog posting is silly. How many people post on conservative blogs? A few hundred total?
should tell you something. I don't think I've seen a single poster on
any conservative blog back him. Not one."
Raises hand. I have posted several pro Jeb comments here and at HotAir, more on NRO.
But measuring support or non-support by blog posting is silly. How many people post on conservative blogs? A few hundred total?
Posted by: Bob from Ohio at September 18, 2015 02:00 PM (t3cNy)
425
I did have to give up on the Mac, though, since there were no compatible OS upgrades for it.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 18, 2015 01:57 PM (M+9nV)
I have an old MAC than is running on old OS just so it will work with my CAC Card reader for the Navy and is works just fine. MUCH MUCH better than the new Windows Computer I had to buy for the Navy, which sucks
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 18, 2015 01:57 PM (M+9nV)
I have an old MAC than is running on old OS just so it will work with my CAC Card reader for the Navy and is works just fine. MUCH MUCH better than the new Windows Computer I had to buy for the Navy, which sucks
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 02:00 PM (DUoqb)
426
Who, exactly, is going to vote for Jeb? The Chamber of Commerce might buy the candidates, but I think the days of the sheeple voting for people they find ideologically distasteful has ended.
Posted by: Ever at September 18, 2015 02:00 PM (QZdJj)
427
It's REALLY over this time. I mean it!!!
Posted by: The Demise Of Trump Brigade at September 18, 2015 02:01 PM (Yu7Ct)
428
Rover is real?
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 02:01 PM (mcm0N)
429
You don't vote for a PERSON, you vote for a PARTY.
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Not when that party consistently screws you
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 18, 2015 01:59 PM (fWAjv)
And without any lubrication or even the old reach around
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Not when that party consistently screws you
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 18, 2015 01:59 PM (fWAjv)
And without any lubrication or even the old reach around
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 02:01 PM (DUoqb)
430
n00d
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 18, 2015 02:01 PM (HC/uy)
431
A few observations:
1. "How many miniscule details do you think Reagan bothered with?" Actually, looking back at the correspondence and notes in the nuclear arms negotiations throughout his Presidency, Reagan was very familiar with arcane details about throw-weights, MIRVs, silo reload capabilities, etc. It's almost like that SNL sketch with Phil Hartman where he played the amiable dunce when the public came in the Oval Office, then when they left he was zapping orders right and left.
2. Carly had to fire some people. I HOPE THE NEXT PRESIDENT GETS TO FIRE A LOT OF PEOPLE!! Romney would have been good at that too. It's a strength, not a weakness. In fact, whoever the next President is, he or she should convene a Romney Commission (or a Romney-Fiorina Commission) to cut the Leviathan down to size.
3. So Trump says he's going to hire the best people when he's elected. If he's serious about being the next President, why doesn't he hire them NOW?
1. "How many miniscule details do you think Reagan bothered with?" Actually, looking back at the correspondence and notes in the nuclear arms negotiations throughout his Presidency, Reagan was very familiar with arcane details about throw-weights, MIRVs, silo reload capabilities, etc. It's almost like that SNL sketch with Phil Hartman where he played the amiable dunce when the public came in the Oval Office, then when they left he was zapping orders right and left.
2. Carly had to fire some people. I HOPE THE NEXT PRESIDENT GETS TO FIRE A LOT OF PEOPLE!! Romney would have been good at that too. It's a strength, not a weakness. In fact, whoever the next President is, he or she should convene a Romney Commission (or a Romney-Fiorina Commission) to cut the Leviathan down to size.
3. So Trump says he's going to hire the best people when he's elected. If he's serious about being the next President, why doesn't he hire them NOW?
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 18, 2015 02:01 PM (5f5bM)
432
Also this whole campaign season has at last proven to me something which
I tried hard to not to accept - Libertarians are ivory tower idiots.
There is a reason why their political ideology has never coalesced into a
political party that can get anything except a few percentage points in
the polls. They don't understand human nature at all, but live in
abstract fantasies...so instead when the world rejects them they attack
everyone else and return back to their tower and drool over pictures of
John Locke and Montesquieu.
Libertarianism is essentially sold as social liberalism with fiscal conservatism.
There is no audience for that. You would think there is, because if you ever talk to a democrat, they always claim to be socially liberal but fiscally conservative (of course, the only spending they ever want to cut is military).
But they aren't. You can't have social liberalism with fiscal conservatism because social liberalism tends to cost a lot of money. Which is also why libertarianism doesn't work in practice.
You have to decide which is more important - abortion on demand or cutting spending. Libertarians, from what I have seen, always pick social issues as more important than reducing gov't/reducing spending when push comes to shove. Which is one reason conservatives don't trust libertarians. We think that the libertarian zeal will disappear once pot is legalized.
I tried hard to not to accept - Libertarians are ivory tower idiots.
There is a reason why their political ideology has never coalesced into a
political party that can get anything except a few percentage points in
the polls. They don't understand human nature at all, but live in
abstract fantasies...so instead when the world rejects them they attack
everyone else and return back to their tower and drool over pictures of
John Locke and Montesquieu.
Libertarianism is essentially sold as social liberalism with fiscal conservatism.
There is no audience for that. You would think there is, because if you ever talk to a democrat, they always claim to be socially liberal but fiscally conservative (of course, the only spending they ever want to cut is military).
But they aren't. You can't have social liberalism with fiscal conservatism because social liberalism tends to cost a lot of money. Which is also why libertarianism doesn't work in practice.
You have to decide which is more important - abortion on demand or cutting spending. Libertarians, from what I have seen, always pick social issues as more important than reducing gov't/reducing spending when push comes to shove. Which is one reason conservatives don't trust libertarians. We think that the libertarian zeal will disappear once pot is legalized.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 18, 2015 02:01 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2015 02:01 PM (rIQuo)
434
Apparently Historic First was allowed to pick his own codename.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 18, 2015 02:01 PM (fWAjv)
435
>>And Obama's is Renegade. Apparently someone places value on irony.
No kidding...
Noun:
1. a person who deserts a party or cause for another.
2. an apostate from a religious faith.
Adjective:
1. of or like a renegade; traitorous
No kidding...
Noun:
1. a person who deserts a party or cause for another.
2. an apostate from a religious faith.
Adjective:
1. of or like a renegade; traitorous
Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2015 02:02 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 18, 2015 02:03 PM (XUKZU)
437
I was out all morning, and just had lunch at a fast food Mexican place that has the tv on. News came on. TOP STORY: Trump and the Muslim comment at the q & a. Much freeing over him not condemning the man. Stupid media doesn't realize 29% think Obama is Muslim. I think people are pretty concerned over our governments non concern over training camps. I say trump gets a rise out of this.
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at September 18, 2015 02:03 PM (rB5fy)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 18, 2015 02:03 PM (LXJ1e)
439
Yes, it makes sense to vote libertarian, people who believe there should be no borders at all. That will cure the illegal problem.
Posted by: JackStraw
I never have understood why the first recourse for somebody mad at a Republican that's not a Border Hawk is to vote for a Party that wants absolutely zero border control and would let every person on Earth come to America if the wanted to.
Libertarians make no bones that they think America is simply an economic zone that should be completely open.
Posted by: JackStraw
I never have understood why the first recourse for somebody mad at a Republican that's not a Border Hawk is to vote for a Party that wants absolutely zero border control and would let every person on Earth come to America if the wanted to.
Libertarians make no bones that they think America is simply an economic zone that should be completely open.
Posted by: Coolio at September 18, 2015 02:03 PM (19oJa)
Posted by: gdonovan at September 18, 2015 02:03 PM (2Ee1I)
441
simplemind @ 364: "ALL people from Ohio should be banned from voting as long as Boehner is in congress. Just sayin."
Even those of us from other congressional districts? That's pretty harsh, dude.
But seriously: I agree with your sentiment. Ohio's Republican party is a nest of the most RINO-ish RINOs imaginable. I think the last actual conservative to hold national office from Ohio, that I'm aware of, was Delbert Latta, and I think that was during the Reagan administration.
Even those of us from other congressional districts? That's pretty harsh, dude.
But seriously: I agree with your sentiment. Ohio's Republican party is a nest of the most RINO-ish RINOs imaginable. I think the last actual conservative to hold national office from Ohio, that I'm aware of, was Delbert Latta, and I think that was during the Reagan administration.
Posted by: Pastafarian at September 18, 2015 02:03 PM (LqrRo)
442
"Raises hand. I have posted several pro Jeb comments here and at HotAir, more on NRO. But measuring support or non-support by blog posting is silly. How many people post on conservative blogs? A few hundred total?"
Um...we've see the turnout for JEB!'s rallies.
Um...we've see the turnout for JEB!'s rallies.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at September 18, 2015 02:04 PM (Yu7Ct)
443
I actually saw a Bernie Sanders bumper sticker yesterday. I mouthed at her that she was driving way too nice a car to be a socialist.
Of course it wasn't on the bumper, it was taped in the back window.
:::::snort::::::
I actually saw a Bernie Sanders bumper sticker yesterday. I mouthed at her that she was driving way too nice a car to be a socialist.
Of course it wasn't on the bumper, it was taped in the back window.
:::::snort::::::
Posted by: GBruno at September 18, 2015 02:04 PM (u49WF)
444
You don't vote for a PERSON, you vote for a PARTY.
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Not when that party consistently screws you
If you think that, then you just don't understand how our government works.
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Not when that party consistently screws you
If you think that, then you just don't understand how our government works.
Posted by: Uncle Rick at September 18, 2015 02:04 PM (ZbB1q)
445
Yeah crap. Windows 8 didn't even work the day it cam out.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:58 PM (DUoqb)
I know. But I can still get support for it. Apple won't support old OSes, and won't give an upgrade path for older hardware. Which is their strategy to force you to upgrade. MS only EOLed XP support last year, and that's 3 OSes back.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:58 PM (DUoqb)
I know. But I can still get support for it. Apple won't support old OSes, and won't give an upgrade path for older hardware. Which is their strategy to force you to upgrade. MS only EOLed XP support last year, and that's 3 OSes back.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 02:04 PM (tAYH3)
446
I'm not kidding, call his secretary and ask for a meeting. If you can keep your identity secret all this time you can find a direct phone number.
Posted by: kari at September 18, 2015 01:56 PM (jSmft)
Have you listened to the podcast? Judging from voice and speaking style only, Ace reminds me of this guy:
http://tinyurl.com/nkz4ytt
It really enlightened the way I read Ace's work here on the HQ.
Posted by: kari at September 18, 2015 01:56 PM (jSmft)
Have you listened to the podcast? Judging from voice and speaking style only, Ace reminds me of this guy:
http://tinyurl.com/nkz4ytt
It really enlightened the way I read Ace's work here on the HQ.
Posted by: Sambo at September 18, 2015 02:04 PM (9UV3C)
447
First post-debate poll (Morning Consult)is out, Trump lead increases. Oops.
First post-debate poll (Morning Consult)is out, Trump lead increases. Oops.
Posted by: Disgruntled at September 18, 2015 02:04 PM (9ZqGe)
448
404
I'm not kidding, call his secretary and ask for a meeting. If you can
keep your identity secret all this time you can find a direct phone
number.
"Sir , he says he's a hobo-skinning, Ewok-blogger from planet Endor and that ,I'm quoting, "He's Your Only Hope".
404
I'm not kidding, call his secretary and ask for a meeting. If you can
keep your identity secret all this time you can find a direct phone
number.
"Sir , he says he's a hobo-skinning, Ewok-blogger from planet Endor and that ,I'm quoting, "He's Your Only Hope".
Posted by: Trump Switchboard Operator #12345 at September 18, 2015 02:05 PM (0dcbp)
449
3. So Trump says he's going to hire the best people
when he's elected. If he's serious about being the next President, why
doesn't he hire them NOW?
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 18, 2015 02:01 PM (5f5bM)
The problem is, the people who are good at running campaigns aren't the same people who are good at policy, getting stuff through congress, and governance. Which I think is something modern presidents fail to understand.I think Clinton and Obama ran/run their administration like a campaign and have campaign people making the decisions, instead of experts at the issue.
I think W also did this, just not to the extent of Clinton or Obama (to the extent Rove was involved in policy decisions, for instance).Perhaps Donald is trying to say he won't do that - that he'll get people who are actually good at policy/governance instead of constant campaigning.Probably not - but, just a thought.
when he's elected. If he's serious about being the next President, why
doesn't he hire them NOW?
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 18, 2015 02:01 PM (5f5bM)
The problem is, the people who are good at running campaigns aren't the same people who are good at policy, getting stuff through congress, and governance. Which I think is something modern presidents fail to understand.I think Clinton and Obama ran/run their administration like a campaign and have campaign people making the decisions, instead of experts at the issue.
I think W also did this, just not to the extent of Clinton or Obama (to the extent Rove was involved in policy decisions, for instance).Perhaps Donald is trying to say he won't do that - that he'll get people who are actually good at policy/governance instead of constant campaigning.Probably not - but, just a thought.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 18, 2015 02:05 PM (3ZtZW)
450
395
U.S. Army Captain Who Led Bergdahls Platoon Describes Grueling Search For Him After He Walked Off Base
The sad part is the current pathetic excuse for a Commander-in-Chief
known as Barack Obama knew all of this and yet he still swapped the
five top Taliban commanders in Gitmo for Bergdahl.
Weasel Zippers
I hope they bury that SOB deeper than the Titanic
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:55 PM (DUoqb)
Agree with all the aboive, except that Obama "knew all of this." I think he's willfully ignorant and doesn't give a shit. He's doing what ValJar tells him to do.
U.S. Army Captain Who Led Bergdahls Platoon Describes Grueling Search For Him After He Walked Off Base
The sad part is the current pathetic excuse for a Commander-in-Chief
known as Barack Obama knew all of this and yet he still swapped the
five top Taliban commanders in Gitmo for Bergdahl.
Weasel Zippers
I hope they bury that SOB deeper than the Titanic
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 01:55 PM (DUoqb)
Agree with all the aboive, except that Obama "knew all of this." I think he's willfully ignorant and doesn't give a shit. He's doing what ValJar tells him to do.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 18, 2015 02:05 PM (5f5bM)
451
Bob from Ohio,
What do you find compelling about Jeb?
(scratches head)
Just don't see it myself, but I might have tunnel vision. Make your case.
Bob from Ohio,
What do you find compelling about Jeb?
(scratches head)
Just don't see it myself, but I might have tunnel vision. Make your case.
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 02:06 PM (5vV+V)
452
Yes, yes. Everyone has been predicting the End of Trump since before he even announced. But it's over. The high-water mark has been reached and now the long slow retreat begins.
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Said with your fingers crossed while hoping "Oh, please, please let it be so!!!"
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Said with your fingers crossed while hoping "Oh, please, please let it be so!!!"
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 18, 2015 02:06 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: SarahW at September 18, 2015 02:06 PM (3fTXW)
454
Trump isn't going anywhere, at least not yet. I will need to see a sustained drop in his poll numbers over the course of several weeks. Anyone else saying otherwise is talking out of their a$$ or watching too much Fox News.
Posted by: El_Flaco at September 18, 2015 02:06 PM (z8IzG)
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 02:07 PM (mcm0N)
456
449 If Trump's plan is to turn over foreign policy to "experts," then he needs to get them working NOW, while he's campaigning and being asked the questions he can't answer, rather than keeping it a mystery as to what he knows about foreign policy and who his alleged experts are going to be.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 18, 2015 02:07 PM (5f5bM)
457
Trump goes to a event and a bizarre first question is a statement about Obama and muzzies by a man who didn't seem right. I'd say he was a Rove plant. The Donks do this a lot, but the Donks have no reason to ruin Trump. But the GOPe do. Think Mississippi. I don't trust them.
And when their plant got the question in, Trump didn't answer, the GOPe handlers that mingle with the press, put out , hmmmm.. see how Trump supporters act? Look how Trump didn't refute the crazy allegation? And there goes the meme. Trump is finished. Trump is doomed. Didn't you hear? Time to get off the wagon.. hurry, you knew it would happen. Bullcrap. It's all media and GOPe wish-casting, controlling the meme. They've done it before and it has worked.
If not Trump..... we're going to get Jeb! There is no way for the others to win the nomination.. the GOPe has set the primaries up to favor Jeb!. Failure theatre.
And when their plant got the question in, Trump didn't answer, the GOPe handlers that mingle with the press, put out , hmmmm.. see how Trump supporters act? Look how Trump didn't refute the crazy allegation? And there goes the meme. Trump is finished. Trump is doomed. Didn't you hear? Time to get off the wagon.. hurry, you knew it would happen. Bullcrap. It's all media and GOPe wish-casting, controlling the meme. They've done it before and it has worked.
If not Trump..... we're going to get Jeb! There is no way for the others to win the nomination.. the GOPe has set the primaries up to favor Jeb!. Failure theatre.
Posted by: Toonces the Cast at September 18, 2015 02:08 PM (e7T6D)
458
Disagree for two reasons.
First, there is absolutely no objective evidence at least yet to support your contentions.
Jeb has fallen too far down to get back up. The only way the Establishment gets a candidate now is to go the Manchurian Candidate route with Fiorina or Carson.
My guess is Trump, if anything, bumps up a few points in the next round of polling. You may prove right, but that's been the trend. Eventually it will end, but the faux Muslim outrage probably has tossed Trump another lifeline.
First, there is absolutely no objective evidence at least yet to support your contentions.
Jeb has fallen too far down to get back up. The only way the Establishment gets a candidate now is to go the Manchurian Candidate route with Fiorina or Carson.
My guess is Trump, if anything, bumps up a few points in the next round of polling. You may prove right, but that's been the trend. Eventually it will end, but the faux Muslim outrage probably has tossed Trump another lifeline.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at September 18, 2015 02:09 PM (pq97T)
459
Libertarianism is essentially sold as social liberalism with fiscal conservatism.
There is no audience for that.
_____________________
I think there is an audience for that as I just don't think issues like abortion are a real driving force any longer, but the Libertarian Party basically became the "Pot Party" since its inception beliving that was the only issue that mattered instead of focusing on real ideas for smaller government.
There is no audience for that.
_____________________
I think there is an audience for that as I just don't think issues like abortion are a real driving force any longer, but the Libertarian Party basically became the "Pot Party" since its inception beliving that was the only issue that mattered instead of focusing on real ideas for smaller government.
Posted by: Coolio at September 18, 2015 02:09 PM (19oJa)
460
449 If Trump's plan is to turn over foreign policy to "experts," then he
needs to get them working NOW, while he's campaigning and being asked
the questions he can't answer, rather than keeping it a mystery as to
what he knows about foreign policy and who his alleged experts are going
to be.
I don't disagree. I just had a random thought about the fact that the modern presidency has been turned into a constant campaign instead of leading.
A problem for Trump is, since the entire GOP establishment (and most of the punditry) is out to stop him, what GOP/conservative expert is going to work with him? They'd end up blackballed by think-tanks, a republican administration, etc.
needs to get them working NOW, while he's campaigning and being asked
the questions he can't answer, rather than keeping it a mystery as to
what he knows about foreign policy and who his alleged experts are going
to be.
I don't disagree. I just had a random thought about the fact that the modern presidency has been turned into a constant campaign instead of leading.
A problem for Trump is, since the entire GOP establishment (and most of the punditry) is out to stop him, what GOP/conservative expert is going to work with him? They'd end up blackballed by think-tanks, a republican administration, etc.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 18, 2015 02:10 PM (3ZtZW)
461
Call him on the phone
Posted by: kari at September 18, 2015 02:10 PM (jSmft)
462
No, It'll be Kasich. Rubio will be VP, he still needs a little time in the oven to be perfect. But, with Kasich as the old Ohio pro and Rubio as his Florida apprentice, conservatives will have at least the next 20 years.
Posted by: Jarodea at September 18, 2015 02:11 PM (Ydfqa)
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 02:12 PM (XkdIH)
464
I can't say it any clearer, only louder - I was the good solider who voted for McCain and Romney. If it's Bush, I stay home. Proudly.
I do this because 1) at this point, the nation's solutions will not be solved politically and 2) before you "but...but...but...but Hillary!" me, the fact that she is still in the running after her past and recent criminality is all you need to know that the nation is shot beyond repair.
Poor dumb ass Gary Hart was forced to bow out due to a photo of him and a mistress while Hillary puts top secret US material on a private server for all to steal and the DNC opts NOT to hold debates so as to cushion her campaign.
I do this because 1) at this point, the nation's solutions will not be solved politically and 2) before you "but...but...but...but Hillary!" me, the fact that she is still in the running after her past and recent criminality is all you need to know that the nation is shot beyond repair.
Poor dumb ass Gary Hart was forced to bow out due to a photo of him and a mistress while Hillary puts top secret US material on a private server for all to steal and the DNC opts NOT to hold debates so as to cushion her campaign.
Posted by: Saltydonnie at September 18, 2015 02:12 PM (zBwYh)
465
Establishment candidates in both parties memorize reams of political, social, and foreign policy datum for regurgitation to the masses to prove their mettle. They repeat this approved and poll tested information for the express purpose of fooling the rubes and to make the voting public comfortable with their superior knowledge and intellect.
And then we elect the person to office and what happens? All of the soaring rhetoric and promises to fix, repair, rescind, or reauthorize become lost in the media, and the bastards do exactly what they intended to do in the first place. It's all a game, and the voting public are subjected to this nonsense every two years with the same end result.
It's all about party politics and they only need your vote on election day. The rest of the time, you can go fuck yourself because what you think or what you believe has no bearing on their performance. It's all about them, the ruling class and you can again go fuck yourself.
Establishment candidates in both parties memorize reams of political, social, and foreign policy datum for regurgitation to the masses to prove their mettle. They repeat this approved and poll tested information for the express purpose of fooling the rubes and to make the voting public comfortable with their superior knowledge and intellect.
And then we elect the person to office and what happens? All of the soaring rhetoric and promises to fix, repair, rescind, or reauthorize become lost in the media, and the bastards do exactly what they intended to do in the first place. It's all a game, and the voting public are subjected to this nonsense every two years with the same end result.
It's all about party politics and they only need your vote on election day. The rest of the time, you can go fuck yourself because what you think or what you believe has no bearing on their performance. It's all about them, the ruling class and you can again go fuck yourself.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at September 18, 2015 02:12 PM (OiFtZ)
466
No, It'll be Kasich. Rubio will be VP, he still
needs a little time in the oven to be perfect. But, with Kasich as the
old Ohio pro and Rubio as his Florida apprentice, conservatives will
have at least the next 20 years.
Posted by: Jarodea at September 18, 2015 02:11 PM (Ydfqa)
How does Kasich and/or Rubio winning do anything for conservatives?
needs a little time in the oven to be perfect. But, with Kasich as the
old Ohio pro and Rubio as his Florida apprentice, conservatives will
have at least the next 20 years.
Posted by: Jarodea at September 18, 2015 02:11 PM (Ydfqa)
How does Kasich and/or Rubio winning do anything for conservatives?
Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 18, 2015 02:12 PM (3ZtZW)
467
I have an old MAC than is running on old OS just so it will work with my CAC Card reader for the Navy and is works just fine. MUCH MUCH better than the new Windows Computer I had to buy for the Navy, which sucks
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 02:00 PM (DUoqb)
Here's one for you:
We had an older Olympus microscope with a Firewire Camera module. Camera only works with Windows. Only computer we can get with firewire is a macbook pro 13 (approved vendor limitations). So had to bootcamp the Apple to make it windows to get the camera to work.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 18, 2015 02:00 PM (DUoqb)
Here's one for you:
We had an older Olympus microscope with a Firewire Camera module. Camera only works with Windows. Only computer we can get with firewire is a macbook pro 13 (approved vendor limitations). So had to bootcamp the Apple to make it windows to get the camera to work.
Posted by: Iblis at September 18, 2015 02:13 PM (tAYH3)
468
459
Libertarianism is essentially sold as social liberalism with fiscal conservatism.
There is no audience for that.
_____________________
I think there is an audience for that as I just don't think issues
like abortion are a real driving force any longer, but the Libertarian
Party basically became the "Pot Party" since its inception beliving that
was the only issue that mattered instead of focusing on real ideas for
smaller government.
Posted by: Coolio at September 18, 2015 02:09 PM (19oJa)
Don't forget opposing the wars in the Middle East and opposing counterterrorism. In the Libertarian view, if we leave the radical Muslims alone, they'll leave us alone smoking our doobies.
Libertarianism is essentially sold as social liberalism with fiscal conservatism.
There is no audience for that.
_____________________
I think there is an audience for that as I just don't think issues
like abortion are a real driving force any longer, but the Libertarian
Party basically became the "Pot Party" since its inception beliving that
was the only issue that mattered instead of focusing on real ideas for
smaller government.
Posted by: Coolio at September 18, 2015 02:09 PM (19oJa)
Don't forget opposing the wars in the Middle East and opposing counterterrorism. In the Libertarian view, if we leave the radical Muslims alone, they'll leave us alone smoking our doobies.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 18, 2015 02:13 PM (5f5bM)
469
461 Call him on the phone
Posted by: kari at September 18, 2015 02:10 PM (jSmft)
Ace should not call Trump on the phone. He sounds like an over-weight comic book junkie. He is much better in written word where one can read his words in their own voice.
Posted by: kari at September 18, 2015 02:10 PM (jSmft)
Ace should not call Trump on the phone. He sounds like an over-weight comic book junkie. He is much better in written word where one can read his words in their own voice.
Posted by: Sambo at September 18, 2015 02:13 PM (9UV3C)
470
But, with Kasich as the old Ohio pro and Rubio as his Florida apprentice, conservatives will have at least the next 20 years.
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You mean, after Kasich and Rubio leave office?
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You mean, after Kasich and Rubio leave office?
Posted by: V the K at September 18, 2015 02:13 PM (O7MnT)
471
The rumors of Trump's campaign beginning to implode are GREATLY exaggerated.
Moreover, they're based on desperate wishful thinking.
The rumors of Trump's campaign beginning to implode are GREATLY exaggerated.
Moreover, they're based on desperate wishful thinking.
Posted by: Trump Super Fan at September 18, 2015 02:14 PM (l2dSQ)
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at September 18, 2015 02:14 PM (Yu7Ct)
473
What's the name of that woman associated with every disaster in the last 20 years? Jaimee Gorelik? Fiorina is the R(ish) version of her.
I *love* that she made sure news about PP butchery got out past the conservative ghetto and am glad to see her take the fight to Hillary! and the MSM, I would probably vote for her if she got the nomination, but her track record is of failure in both business and politics and these are clubs a general election opponent can use to beat her to death with. And *yes* the D's track record is even worse, but It's been made clear that that doesn't matter to their voters.
I *love* that she made sure news about PP butchery got out past the conservative ghetto and am glad to see her take the fight to Hillary! and the MSM, I would probably vote for her if she got the nomination, but her track record is of failure in both business and politics and these are clubs a general election opponent can use to beat her to death with. And *yes* the D's track record is even worse, but It's been made clear that that doesn't matter to their voters.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 18, 2015 02:14 PM (GDulk)
474
Honestly, if we still lived in a world where Kasich and Rubio could win Ohio and Florida I'd be a lot happier. But we don't. Haven't for quite a few years now. Since 2004 a lot of old republicans in Ohio and Florida have DIED. And dead republicans, unlike democrats, don't vote.
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 02:15 PM (XkdIH)
475
A problem for Trump is, since the entire GOP
establishment (and most of the punditry) is out to stop him, what
GOP/conservative expert is going to work with him? They'd end up
blackballed by think-tanks, a republican administration, etc.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 18, 2015 02:10 PM (3ZtZW)
Exactly. He would also have the same problem on January 20, 2017, although there would be some who would serve for the good of the country, as people always do. But if he has $10 billion as he claims, he should be willing to drop some serious corn on experts. I'm sure quite a few could be bought at the right price.
establishment (and most of the punditry) is out to stop him, what
GOP/conservative expert is going to work with him? They'd end up
blackballed by think-tanks, a republican administration, etc.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 18, 2015 02:10 PM (3ZtZW)
Exactly. He would also have the same problem on January 20, 2017, although there would be some who would serve for the good of the country, as people always do. But if he has $10 billion as he claims, he should be willing to drop some serious corn on experts. I'm sure quite a few could be bought at the right price.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 18, 2015 02:16 PM (5f5bM)
476
Basically I think Drew is okay with Hillary. He probably thinks that gets you back to the days of Bill Clinton and pre-9/11.
I wish in some ways it was that simple, but there can be no return to that. The enviroment does not remain static.
However Hillary is banking on this simple hope and it is why she is floating the idea that she seriously considered Bill for her Vice President. (Yes she recently said this.)
Drew doesn't swing out at Hillary or Obama that much, they really don't seem to bother him that much.
And the media are exactly the same way.
I wish in some ways it was that simple, but there can be no return to that. The enviroment does not remain static.
However Hillary is banking on this simple hope and it is why she is floating the idea that she seriously considered Bill for her Vice President. (Yes she recently said this.)
Drew doesn't swing out at Hillary or Obama that much, they really don't seem to bother him that much.
And the media are exactly the same way.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 02:16 PM (mcm0N)
477
Get in on the ground floor, it's gonna be yuuuuuuge
Posted by: kari at September 18, 2015 02:16 PM (jSmft)
478
Libertarianism is essentially sold as social liberalism with fiscal conservatism.
There is no audience for that.
There is an audience for "get your nose out of my life and hand out of my wallet" to a certain extent. The catch is the sort of life folks want to live. When the poster children for libertarianism start to be seen as libertines, that's when a lot of folks tune out.
There is no audience for that.
There is an audience for "get your nose out of my life and hand out of my wallet" to a certain extent. The catch is the sort of life folks want to live. When the poster children for libertarianism start to be seen as libertines, that's when a lot of folks tune out.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 18, 2015 02:16 PM (9krrF)
479
The object here, my short-peckered friends, is to DEFEAT the scum of the earth. NOT to find a President Jesus.
There is no such person.
Posted by: Uncle Rick
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The GOPe are the scum of the earth. If we don't fix immigration this cycle, we won't be able to fix anything ever again, since we will always be outvoted. We will have had our sovereignty stolen from us. How come the anti-Trump crowd can't get that through their heads?
There is no such person.
Posted by: Uncle Rick
--------------------------------------------------------------
The GOPe are the scum of the earth. If we don't fix immigration this cycle, we won't be able to fix anything ever again, since we will always be outvoted. We will have had our sovereignty stolen from us. How come the anti-Trump crowd can't get that through their heads?
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 18, 2015 02:16 PM (E5UB0)
480
Insert President [Dem nominee] here. 12 million conservatives sat out Romney or protest voted.
¡Jeb! is sure to beat that number.
¡Jeb! is sure to beat that number.
Posted by: Valiant at September 18, 2015 02:18 PM (2bqlb)
481
Trump does speak about foreign policy, but at this point there is no reason to get into details for several reasons:
1) It'll will be almost a year and half before he could actually implement any policy. That is a damn long time in world events. Almost certainly events will change that makes any detail statement laughable in the future.
2) In a similar vein Obama still has that same amount of time to further F things up, and he will.
3) Most people are ready to right off the ME, and I suspect Trump is too, why tie yourself down when the public is against you.
4) Elections are hardly ever won on foreign policy and domestically we are in turmoil. Keep the eye on the ball.
1) It'll will be almost a year and half before he could actually implement any policy. That is a damn long time in world events. Almost certainly events will change that makes any detail statement laughable in the future.
2) In a similar vein Obama still has that same amount of time to further F things up, and he will.
3) Most people are ready to right off the ME, and I suspect Trump is too, why tie yourself down when the public is against you.
4) Elections are hardly ever won on foreign policy and domestically we are in turmoil. Keep the eye on the ball.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 18, 2015 02:18 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 02:19 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: Sharon W at September 18, 2015 02:20 PM (Xhsh5)
484
Drew doesn't swing out at Hillary or Obama that much, they really don't seem to bother him that much.
And the media are exactly the same way.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 02:16 PM (mcm0N)
I raised the question rhetorically a few months ago that if the Progs wanted to organize a fifth column blog to destroy their conservative opposition's electoral enthusiasm from the inside, how would it be different? I never got a satisfactory answer, but lots of Horde Hate.
And the media are exactly the same way.
Posted by: Fatman at September 18, 2015 02:16 PM (mcm0N)
I raised the question rhetorically a few months ago that if the Progs wanted to organize a fifth column blog to destroy their conservative opposition's electoral enthusiasm from the inside, how would it be different? I never got a satisfactory answer, but lots of Horde Hate.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 18, 2015 02:20 PM (5f5bM)
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So who knows? Anything can happen. But with around 50% of the early buzz an unprecedented "anti-establishment" tantrum/outcry/demonstration (i.e., Trump/Carson/Fiorina - yeah Fiorina but for these purposes a lot of her support can be considered non-establishment, at this point), Yeb! will inherit the Big Mo?
Who knows, anything can happen. Yet I see no reason to think that. I see no basis on which to guess what the hell will happen, really. Carson is not a viable vessel to carry the rebellious sentiments on display - is he? Neither if Fiorina.
So where does the large %, perhaps a near majority, of GOP primary votersgo after a Trump collapse?
So who knows? Anything can happen. But with around 50% of the early buzz an unprecedented "anti-establishment" tantrum/outcry/demonstration (i.e., Trump/Carson/Fiorina - yeah Fiorina but for these purposes a lot of her support can be considered non-establishment, at this point), Yeb! will inherit the Big Mo?
Who knows, anything can happen. Yet I see no reason to think that. I see no basis on which to guess what the hell will happen, really. Carson is not a viable vessel to carry the rebellious sentiments on display - is he? Neither if Fiorina.
So where does the large %, perhaps a near majority, of GOP primary votersgo after a Trump collapse?
Posted by: rhomboid at September 18, 2015 02:20 PM (QDnY+)
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51 I would vote for Bernie before Jeb.
May as well throw gasoline on the fire at this point.
yes this, and maybe enroll as a dem to help him beat hillary, remember operation chaos?
May as well throw gasoline on the fire at this point.
yes this, and maybe enroll as a dem to help him beat hillary, remember operation chaos?
Posted by: scruff at September 18, 2015 02:21 PM (0FHXE)
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responding to comment #475.
Let's see here, I wonder if staunch conservative US Senator Jeff Sessions would consider working with Trump?
Hmmmmm.... Yeah, that's a real tough one.
Next.
Let's see here, I wonder if staunch conservative US Senator Jeff Sessions would consider working with Trump?
Hmmmmm.... Yeah, that's a real tough one.
Next.
Posted by: Trump Super Fan at September 18, 2015 02:21 PM (l2dSQ)
488
Dear Management,
I'd like to return this "The Demise Of Trump" post because it's defective. Who do I speak to about that?
I was promised that Trump was demising but according to the latest Morning Consult poll he's not.
Was this post manufactured in China or something? I sure hope there is no lead in it. Anyway, I'd like a refund immediately.
Yours Truly,
JEB! Bush
I'd like to return this "The Demise Of Trump" post because it's defective. Who do I speak to about that?
I was promised that Trump was demising but according to the latest Morning Consult poll he's not.
Was this post manufactured in China or something? I sure hope there is no lead in it. Anyway, I'd like a refund immediately.
Yours Truly,
JEB! Bush
Posted by: The Demise Of Trump Brigade at September 18, 2015 02:22 PM (Yu7Ct)
489
252 Also, go back and look at the RCP polls from the 2012 race. Romney was never down in the single digits like Bush is now. He held strong between 16-25 percent while the flavor of the month came and went, then ramped up to victory. Romney led for a long time early on, then dropped off but never fell below second place.
Posted by: Jake at September 18, 2015 01:31 PM (Ez4fO)
Also, Romney was the "second choice" for many of the GOP primary voters in 2012. Everytime a candidate dropped out, Romeny appeared to pick up about 2/3 of that candidates supporters.
My take this year is that Rubio is the "second choice" candidate this go around.
Posted by: Jake at September 18, 2015 01:31 PM (Ez4fO)
Also, Romney was the "second choice" for many of the GOP primary voters in 2012. Everytime a candidate dropped out, Romeny appeared to pick up about 2/3 of that candidates supporters.
My take this year is that Rubio is the "second choice" candidate this go around.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at September 18, 2015 02:22 PM (Z7G74)
490
"472 Latest Morning Consult Poll
Trump - 36%
Carson - 12 %
Fiorina - 10% "
I also have the gut feeling that some internal campaign polls have shown Trump, again inexplicably to them, bumping up a few points. This is likely because of the illegal immigration segment, which the others don't want to acknowledge.
I still think Trump will implode before the primary ends, but if he goes on to get the nomination he'll win it all.
Trump - 36%
Carson - 12 %
Fiorina - 10% "
I also have the gut feeling that some internal campaign polls have shown Trump, again inexplicably to them, bumping up a few points. This is likely because of the illegal immigration segment, which the others don't want to acknowledge.
I still think Trump will implode before the primary ends, but if he goes on to get the nomination he'll win it all.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at September 18, 2015 02:23 PM (pq97T)
Posted by: Trump Super Fan at September 18, 2015 02:23 PM (l2dSQ)
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I'm on record as saying we are screwed no matter what happens. However, I did not know Trump was going to run at that time and feature the immigration issue. Its a hail mary pass, but if the Country wakes up and realizes their money, their benefits and their jobs will be siphoned off to illegals - Trump could win. He's proven he'll stamp right over the media's attempts to call him a nativist and keep going even harder.
Cruz, sadly, doesn't have the style needed to do this to a hostile media, but Trump does. So I don't thinkTrump's a plant. If anything I wonder if Trump andCruz are loose allies.
I think the mediais trying hard to kill Trumpfor him to be a plant. If he was a plant they'd give him the McCain treatment. It worked for the MSMbefore to liftMcCainso they'd do the same thing again if that was the plan.
I'm on record as saying we are screwed no matter what happens. However, I did not know Trump was going to run at that time and feature the immigration issue. Its a hail mary pass, but if the Country wakes up and realizes their money, their benefits and their jobs will be siphoned off to illegals - Trump could win. He's proven he'll stamp right over the media's attempts to call him a nativist and keep going even harder.
Cruz, sadly, doesn't have the style needed to do this to a hostile media, but Trump does. So I don't thinkTrump's a plant. If anything I wonder if Trump andCruz are loose allies.
I think the mediais trying hard to kill Trumpfor him to be a plant. If he was a plant they'd give him the McCain treatment. It worked for the MSMbefore to liftMcCainso they'd do the same thing again if that was the plan.
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 02:25 PM (5vV+V)
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So where does the large %, perhaps a near majority, of GOP primary votersgo after a Trump collapse?
Posted by: rhomboid at September 18, 2015 02:20 PM (QDnY+)
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A Trump collapse is just wishful thinking among some at this time. Maybe they are in the denial stage.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 18, 2015 02:20 PM (QDnY+)
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A Trump collapse is just wishful thinking among some at this time. Maybe they are in the denial stage.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 18, 2015 02:26 PM (LXJ1e)
494
Caesar, are you kidding? I mean about the destroy "conservative" electoral morale thing? This blog (or all of them together) do a lot more reflection of trends and passions than creation or channeling thereof.
I could be misreading what you said. You are a serious commenter, and too sophisticated to thing a blog would be driving anything of consequence.
Just to reduce it to very simple and practical terms, in this electoral environment, the demise of the biggest protest candidate probably ever seen seems unlikely to lead to the ascent of one of the blandest, least talented establishment drones ever seen. And it Yeb! does ascend anyway - how pyrrhic will that "victory" be? I mean, in Nov. 2016?
Caesar, are you kidding? I mean about the destroy "conservative" electoral morale thing? This blog (or all of them together) do a lot more reflection of trends and passions than creation or channeling thereof.
I could be misreading what you said. You are a serious commenter, and too sophisticated to thing a blog would be driving anything of consequence.
Just to reduce it to very simple and practical terms, in this electoral environment, the demise of the biggest protest candidate probably ever seen seems unlikely to lead to the ascent of one of the blandest, least talented establishment drones ever seen. And it Yeb! does ascend anyway - how pyrrhic will that "victory" be? I mean, in Nov. 2016?
Posted by: rhomboid at September 18, 2015 02:27 PM (QDnY+)
495
Still thinking Cruz.
Posted by: conservageek at September 18, 2015 02:27 PM (+T6BP)
Posted by: Trump Super Fan at September 18, 2015 02:28 PM (l2dSQ)
497
It's going to be Jeb. The GOP is gonna GOP.
Then fcuk the GOP. I'll vote Hillary to hasten the burning times.
Hey, here's an idea: if it's Bush v. Clinton again, we should have another MoMee, one in which we serve Drano cocktails.
Then fcuk the GOP. I'll vote Hillary to hasten the burning times.
Hey, here's an idea: if it's Bush v. Clinton again, we should have another MoMee, one in which we serve Drano cocktails.
Posted by: The Barrel at September 18, 2015 02:28 PM (MT22W)
498
Exactly. He would also have the same problem on
January 20, 2017, although there would be some who would serve for the
good of the country, as people always do. But if he has $10 billion as
he claims, he should be willing to drop some serious corn on experts.
I'm sure quite a few could be bought at the right price.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 18, 2015 02:16 PM (5f5bM)
I think if he managed to win the WH, the GOP would change its tune and cozy up to Trump. So, at that point, I don't think getting experts would be a problem.
Yeah, I'm sure he can find someone that would take the money right now. He does need to start boning up on some details. But, I don't see him as a detail oriented guy, so not sure he'll do it.
As far as candidates laying out detailed, specific plans - I don't really care if they do or don't. I care more about the broad outlines than the fine details. The fine details can be worked out later. So, for instance, if I trust someone is truly conservative, I won't care if they can't name a single world leader.
Now, I don't believe Trump is conservative. I support his candidacy (to the extent I do - I'm actually a Cruz supporter) only because a) anti-amnesty/deporting illegals and b) screw the GOP.
But, he has to be able to say something. It doesn't have to be fine detail, but have a position ready to go. I don't think this one debate kills him, but if he doesn't start giving some positions soon, it's likely the start of the end.
January 20, 2017, although there would be some who would serve for the
good of the country, as people always do. But if he has $10 billion as
he claims, he should be willing to drop some serious corn on experts.
I'm sure quite a few could be bought at the right price.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 18, 2015 02:16 PM (5f5bM)
I think if he managed to win the WH, the GOP would change its tune and cozy up to Trump. So, at that point, I don't think getting experts would be a problem.
Yeah, I'm sure he can find someone that would take the money right now. He does need to start boning up on some details. But, I don't see him as a detail oriented guy, so not sure he'll do it.
As far as candidates laying out detailed, specific plans - I don't really care if they do or don't. I care more about the broad outlines than the fine details. The fine details can be worked out later. So, for instance, if I trust someone is truly conservative, I won't care if they can't name a single world leader.
Now, I don't believe Trump is conservative. I support his candidacy (to the extent I do - I'm actually a Cruz supporter) only because a) anti-amnesty/deporting illegals and b) screw the GOP.
But, he has to be able to say something. It doesn't have to be fine detail, but have a position ready to go. I don't think this one debate kills him, but if he doesn't start giving some positions soon, it's likely the start of the end.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 18, 2015 02:28 PM (3ZtZW)
499
I raised the question rhetorically a few months ago that if the Progs wanted to organize a fifth column blog to destroy their conservative opposition's electoral enthusiasm from the inside, how would it be different? I never got a satisfactory answer, but lots of Horde Hate.
Here is you satisfactory answer: Why in the world would the PROGS go to that effort when they can rely on the republican party to destroy their own conservative enthusiasm from the inside.
So yeah, enthusiasm is down, but it was down long before and unrelated to this blog's noticing that conservative enthusiasm was cratering. Symptom not cause.
I raised the question rhetorically a few months ago that if the Progs wanted to organize a fifth column blog to destroy their conservative opposition's electoral enthusiasm from the inside, how would it be different? I never got a satisfactory answer, but lots of Horde Hate.
Here is you satisfactory answer: Why in the world would the PROGS go to that effort when they can rely on the republican party to destroy their own conservative enthusiasm from the inside.
So yeah, enthusiasm is down, but it was down long before and unrelated to this blog's noticing that conservative enthusiasm was cratering. Symptom not cause.
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 02:29 PM (5vV+V)
500
You can bet your ass that Trump will run from The Heritage gig. He is based on emotion and pop culture not policy and factual thinking.
I want to believe him so much. But all he's got at this point is rhetoric.
Everyone s arguing about wether we should have show dog or a junkyard dog or a work dog. But the voters are saying we don't want your dogs anymore.
You can bet your ass that Trump will run from The Heritage gig. He is based on emotion and pop culture not policy and factual thinking.
I want to believe him so much. But all he's got at this point is rhetoric.
Everyone s arguing about wether we should have show dog or a junkyard dog or a work dog. But the voters are saying we don't want your dogs anymore.
Posted by: GBruno at September 18, 2015 02:32 PM (u49WF)
501
I'll believe it when I see it.
Posted by: Community Organizer at September 18, 2015 02:32 PM (9VLhN)
502
Youse guys is fancy-pants. Awla ya's.
Posted by: Pastorius at September 18, 2015 02:32 PM (gMAUH)
503
I'm cynical enough to believe the GOPe just doesn't care if they run Jeb! and he loses to Biden or Clinton. They don't care. They will not allow or stand for a reform candidate. They will not stand for a candidate that starts knocking over their political blocks. My thinking... Hillary wins, Karl Rove is still making money, working influence, with his pals. Trump wins..... not so much. Trump wins, the machine gets nervous because the status quo in DC and everything that flows from that influence sphere will be directly threatened.
Posted by: Toonces the Cast at September 18, 2015 02:33 PM (e7T6D)
504
Of course we want an unelectable candidate like bush. The senate republicans need an issue to run on. But don't quote me on that.
Posted by: Mitch McConnell, sent from my iPhone at September 18, 2015 02:33 PM (9pNWx)
505
It could have been Jeb IF his last name wasn't "Bush". The establishment may have the soft power to limit the voters' choices to their acceptable candidates, but they don't have the hard power to actually pick one that voters will decisively reject. They will need to pick a "not-Bush" that's acceptable to them and rally around.
Whatever else they think, they DO want and need to win to get jobs for their buddies and all that shit. I still think Carly would be acceptable to them, but if not her then Rubio is the fresh face with the best chance of winning. They can't really pick Bush because he can't win the general.
Whatever else they think, they DO want and need to win to get jobs for their buddies and all that shit. I still think Carly would be acceptable to them, but if not her then Rubio is the fresh face with the best chance of winning. They can't really pick Bush because he can't win the general.
Posted by: cjw at September 18, 2015 02:35 PM (UJ59J)
506
By the way, this was an increase of 3% for Trump as he was polling at 33% in the last Morning Consult Poll but it was an 8% increase in his lead over the other candidates.
So he got a bump up from the debates which weren't even debates but rather the "go after Trump" show.
Latest Morning Consult Poll
Trump - 36%
Carson - 12 %
Fiorina - 10% "
So he got a bump up from the debates which weren't even debates but rather the "go after Trump" show.
Latest Morning Consult Poll
Trump - 36%
Carson - 12 %
Fiorina - 10% "
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at September 18, 2015 02:35 PM (Yu7Ct)
507
If trump wins the general itis going to be on populism and pulls Livindependents. this makes it difficult for him in republican primary debates because we tend to be wonky nerds. As if knowing by heart all the names of the leaders of the middle eastern death squads is something that is necessary. Seriously, I'm 50 years old and 20 years ago had a near photographic memory. Now I have trouble with names etc. Still pretty good in a courtroom however, because - NOTES. Duh.
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 02:36 PM (XkdIH)
508
Ashley, excellent points. And sickening - the part about Rubio picking up the pieces, that is. 2012 was sooooo different - I mean not just the environment, but the players. You had Romney, an accomplished experienced well-known guy, vs. a bunch of second and third-tier types. He really had no "peer" competitors in terms of political stature (not talking about desirability, etc., just the objective situation WRT political "heft" at that time).
2012 was very clearly a sad, desperate drawn-out attempt by many GOP voters to *not* nominate Romney. But there was really no serious challenger to replace Romney. Newt? Santorum, FFS? (again, not at all a comment on these guys' inherent merits or flaw or abilities, just a question of political stature and heft).
Don't see how (I mean, precisely, "how") Drew sees Yeb! coming out of this pack if Trump fades. Like 8-yr old soccer players, last time many GOP voters flocked from non-Romney to non-Romney, as they sequentially fell. This field is nothing like 2012.
Ashley, excellent points. And sickening - the part about Rubio picking up the pieces, that is. 2012 was sooooo different - I mean not just the environment, but the players. You had Romney, an accomplished experienced well-known guy, vs. a bunch of second and third-tier types. He really had no "peer" competitors in terms of political stature (not talking about desirability, etc., just the objective situation WRT political "heft" at that time).
2012 was very clearly a sad, desperate drawn-out attempt by many GOP voters to *not* nominate Romney. But there was really no serious challenger to replace Romney. Newt? Santorum, FFS? (again, not at all a comment on these guys' inherent merits or flaw or abilities, just a question of political stature and heft).
Don't see how (I mean, precisely, "how") Drew sees Yeb! coming out of this pack if Trump fades. Like 8-yr old soccer players, last time many GOP voters flocked from non-Romney to non-Romney, as they sequentially fell. This field is nothing like 2012.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 18, 2015 02:36 PM (QDnY+)
509
I can guarantee you that BUSH is not the fall-back position of Trump supporters.
Posted by: redbanzai at September 18, 2015 02:39 PM (OrI3J)
510
Also, people now see that the result of republican party landslides is MORE OF THE SAME. Thus your not really changing anything for the worse by not voting JEB. JEb won't win, and even if he did he wouldn't make any changes.
So there really isn't any downside to saying screw you to the republican party. They won't do what you want if elected anyway.
Also, people now see that the result of republican party landslides is MORE OF THE SAME. Thus your not really changing anything for the worse by not voting JEB. JEb won't win, and even if he did he wouldn't make any changes.
So there really isn't any downside to saying screw you to the republican party. They won't do what you want if elected anyway.
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 02:39 PM (XkdIH)
511
Let's see here.
The grassroots, CONSERVATIVE anti-establishment uprising is going to suddenly abandon Trump because he won't sound like an ultra-detailed foreign policy wonk?
Really?
We're all suddenly going to get worried that President Trump won't know how to approach China and Russia?
I don't think so.
Let's see here.
The grassroots, CONSERVATIVE anti-establishment uprising is going to suddenly abandon Trump because he won't sound like an ultra-detailed foreign policy wonk?
Really?
We're all suddenly going to get worried that President Trump won't know how to approach China and Russia?
I don't think so.
Posted by: Trump Super Fan at September 18, 2015 02:40 PM (l2dSQ)
512
cjw, like your formulation re "soft" and "hard" power for the "establishment" in steering the nomination process. Perfect characterization.
cjw, like your formulation re "soft" and "hard" power for the "establishment" in steering the nomination process. Perfect characterization.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 18, 2015 02:41 PM (QDnY+)
513
At the end of the day, the republican party made its own bed. Shit that bed. And now wants to complain because we wont climb in thatbed with them. Really? Really? Really?
Posted by: simplemind at September 18, 2015 02:42 PM (XkdIH)
514
Don't see how (I mean, precisely, "how") Drew sees Yeb! coming out of this pack if Trump fades. Like 8-yr old soccer players, last time many GOP voters flocked from non-Romney to non-Romney, as they sequentially fell. This field is nothing like 2012.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 18, 2015 02:36 PM (QDnY+)
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I agree, it is just poor analysis on Drew's part. If anything the situations are reversed with conservatives coalescing around Trump and the Establishment divided.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 18, 2015 02:36 PM (QDnY+)
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I agree, it is just poor analysis on Drew's part. If anything the situations are reversed with conservatives coalescing around Trump and the Establishment divided.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 18, 2015 02:42 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: Trump Super Fan at September 18, 2015 02:42 PM (l2dSQ)
516
simplemind's got it right.
Posted by: Pastorius at September 18, 2015 02:43 PM (gMAUH)
517
I'm not interested in playing the coprophilia fetish game with the Republican Party.
Posted by: Pastorius at September 18, 2015 02:43 PM (gMAUH)
518
OK, so NOW can we have a stripper/pornstar candidate?
Posted by: Weasel at September 18, 2015 02:44 PM (e3bId)
519
203 When you and the rest of the liberturdian (bowel)
movement do something useful in stopping the destruction of America by
the scum of the earth dimocrap party -- Let us know.
Until then, just please shut the fuck up.
Posted by: Uncle Rick at September 18, 2015 01:21 PM (ZbB1q)
Lol.
You're cute when you get flustered.
movement do something useful in stopping the destruction of America by
the scum of the earth dimocrap party -- Let us know.
Until then, just please shut the fuck up.
Posted by: Uncle Rick at September 18, 2015 01:21 PM (ZbB1q)
Lol.
You're cute when you get flustered.
Posted by: Community Organizer at September 18, 2015 02:44 PM (9VLhN)
520
"Don't see how (I mean, precisely, "how") Drew sees Yeb! coming out of this pack if Trump fades. Like 8-yr old soccer players, last time many GOP voters flocked from non-Romney to non-Romney, as they sequentially fell. This field is nothing like 2012."
It is nonsensical. Maybe 2012 so dispirited people they are trapped in that mentality. The formula won't work this time due to the candidates and, even more so, the electorate.
I suspect, again, Trump will bump a few more points upwards due to the debate's immigration segment of the debate and the faux Muslim outrage. He likely will flame out eventually but it won't be in time to help Jeb, who will be out before Florida just to avoid the humiliation. If I'm wrong about the flaming out part, Trump will go on to win it all.
It is nonsensical. Maybe 2012 so dispirited people they are trapped in that mentality. The formula won't work this time due to the candidates and, even more so, the electorate.
I suspect, again, Trump will bump a few more points upwards due to the debate's immigration segment of the debate and the faux Muslim outrage. He likely will flame out eventually but it won't be in time to help Jeb, who will be out before Florida just to avoid the humiliation. If I'm wrong about the flaming out part, Trump will go on to win it all.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at September 18, 2015 02:46 PM (pq97T)
521
514:
"I agree, it is just poor analysis on Drew's part. If anything the situations are reversed with conservatives coalescing around Trump and the Establishment divided."
Yes. And the Establishment electorate is relatively small.
"I agree, it is just poor analysis on Drew's part. If anything the situations are reversed with conservatives coalescing around Trump and the Establishment divided."
Yes. And the Establishment electorate is relatively small.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at September 18, 2015 02:49 PM (pq97T)
522
Imo, a big big part of Trumpmania is showing itself as a "Not Bush" thing & so are smaller parts of other candidates.
As each rival hare drops away in turn while Jeb! tortoises on, some or much of the "Not Bush" energy is going to end up somewhere behind a single candidate at or near the top of the stretch run.
Who will this person be if not Rubio, Fiorina or Walker?
I am starting to think GOP's path back to the WH is via the person who beats The Jeb! for the nomination. Hillary is rotting like a fish in the sun, Biden wont be able to focus enough energy.
Maybe Jim Webb bursts through on foreign policy somehow in the near future, like if he's photographed atop a tank in Aleppo fighting ISIS wearing a NYFD 9-11 hat, nascar T-Shirt and a fighting eagle on one arm...which would get MY vote btw...
Yes. thats it. "Whoever can beat Jeb Corp International Holdings LLC for the nomination will be the next President."
As each rival hare drops away in turn while Jeb! tortoises on, some or much of the "Not Bush" energy is going to end up somewhere behind a single candidate at or near the top of the stretch run.
Who will this person be if not Rubio, Fiorina or Walker?
I am starting to think GOP's path back to the WH is via the person who beats The Jeb! for the nomination. Hillary is rotting like a fish in the sun, Biden wont be able to focus enough energy.
Maybe Jim Webb bursts through on foreign policy somehow in the near future, like if he's photographed atop a tank in Aleppo fighting ISIS wearing a NYFD 9-11 hat, nascar T-Shirt and a fighting eagle on one arm...which would get MY vote btw...
Yes. thats it. "Whoever can beat Jeb Corp International Holdings LLC for the nomination will be the next President."
Posted by: MikeD at September 18, 2015 02:50 PM (uKJIC)
523
Rubio, Graham, Paul and Cruz. I could still just maybe vote for Ted, but really none of them should be considered just for their part in caving to the Iran deal. Straight up, I do not call myself a a Republican since the Corker bill, that was the last straw.
F the GOPe. I'm a conservative. But I really don't see one around. I haven't been able to vote conservative since Reagan. And even that was a stretch.
And the GOPe doesn't care one damn bit. In fact if Biden or Clinton wins, it just gives them more years of cover.
They're as bad as the Syrian refugees running away from the fight. Spineless. It's one thing if you a frail old lady, but the GOPe are supposed to be there to fight.
Quitters. Spineless Quitters.
Rubio, Graham, Paul and Cruz. I could still just maybe vote for Ted, but really none of them should be considered just for their part in caving to the Iran deal. Straight up, I do not call myself a a Republican since the Corker bill, that was the last straw.
F the GOPe. I'm a conservative. But I really don't see one around. I haven't been able to vote conservative since Reagan. And even that was a stretch.
And the GOPe doesn't care one damn bit. In fact if Biden or Clinton wins, it just gives them more years of cover.
They're as bad as the Syrian refugees running away from the fight. Spineless. It's one thing if you a frail old lady, but the GOPe are supposed to be there to fight.
Quitters. Spineless Quitters.
Posted by: GBruno at September 18, 2015 02:50 PM (u49WF)
524
Monkeytoe echoes what many of us have been saying and more probably thinking: whatever else happens, it would be good for everyone is Trump would put at least a little effort into actually pushing some substance on big questions. Not just popular slogans - they're popular because they relate to real, critical issues. So f***ing start doing something with those issues, dammit!
All these candidates (all candidates, always) are nothing more to me than the primers I put in brass when I'm reloading ammunition. They serve a purpose, a critical one, they get used up, they're gone. Period. I don't hate/love/worship/demonize/need any of these people. They're just tools for a job.
If Trump 1) helps push Yeb! and Rubio out of the race, and 2) makes mass illegal immigration and attendant lawlessness an unavoidable issue for every candidate, he will have accomplished my maximum goals for him. He does that, and literally disappears from Earth the next day ..... OK.
Monkeytoe echoes what many of us have been saying and more probably thinking: whatever else happens, it would be good for everyone is Trump would put at least a little effort into actually pushing some substance on big questions. Not just popular slogans - they're popular because they relate to real, critical issues. So f***ing start doing something with those issues, dammit!
All these candidates (all candidates, always) are nothing more to me than the primers I put in brass when I'm reloading ammunition. They serve a purpose, a critical one, they get used up, they're gone. Period. I don't hate/love/worship/demonize/need any of these people. They're just tools for a job.
If Trump 1) helps push Yeb! and Rubio out of the race, and 2) makes mass illegal immigration and attendant lawlessness an unavoidable issue for every candidate, he will have accomplished my maximum goals for him. He does that, and literally disappears from Earth the next day ..... OK.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 18, 2015 02:50 PM (QDnY+)
525
Any of you that are going to sit out the next election and let Hillary win, you don't have a right to complain about anything ever again. Just saying. Jeb Bush governed as a conservative in Florida. There's no reason to believe he wouldn't be as President.
Posted by: rexbatt at September 18, 2015 02:50 PM (woA40)
526
Now I am depressed...not Jeb! NO!
Posted by: Red Dog Tired at September 18, 2015 02:53 PM (Kw1+q)
527
There are over 1,400 positions that have to be filled by a new President and ratified by the Senate. And Hundreds more that don't require Senate Confirmation.
Do you think Trump even knows 1,400 people that don't want to punch him the nose?
It is the PARTY that recommends people like Lois Lerner. It is the PARTY that recommends who runs the EPA. It is the PARTY that recommends Eric Holder.
- - - -
Those 1,400 people take directions from the captain of the ship. You think Holder and company are acting on orders of the Democrat party overlords?
Fuck me.
If people have concern over a party candidate, it's pretty reasonable to assume those concerns will be eventually be realized throughout the administration.
Do you think Trump even knows 1,400 people that don't want to punch him the nose?
It is the PARTY that recommends people like Lois Lerner. It is the PARTY that recommends who runs the EPA. It is the PARTY that recommends Eric Holder.
- - - -
Those 1,400 people take directions from the captain of the ship. You think Holder and company are acting on orders of the Democrat party overlords?
Fuck me.
If people have concern over a party candidate, it's pretty reasonable to assume those concerns will be eventually be realized throughout the administration.
Posted by: Community Organizer at September 18, 2015 02:53 PM (9VLhN)
528
Mike D @ comment # 522,
I don't think that Trump's campaign is anywhere close to exploding.
But shouldn't Cruz be on your list of potentials?
Mike D @ comment # 522,
I don't think that Trump's campaign is anywhere close to exploding.
But shouldn't Cruz be on your list of potentials?
Posted by: Trump Super Fan at September 18, 2015 02:53 PM (l2dSQ)
529
Any of you that are going to sit out the next
election and let Hillary win, you don't have a right to complain about
anything ever again. Just saying. Jeb Bush governed as a conservative in
Florida. There's no reason to believe he wouldn't be as President.
Posted by: rexbatt at September 18, 2015 02:50 PM (woA40)
Now that is funny.
After he gives amnesty, he'll what? reduce the size and scope of the federal gov't?
Please.
No jeb, no GOP.
election and let Hillary win, you don't have a right to complain about
anything ever again. Just saying. Jeb Bush governed as a conservative in
Florida. There's no reason to believe he wouldn't be as President.
Posted by: rexbatt at September 18, 2015 02:50 PM (woA40)
Now that is funny.
After he gives amnesty, he'll what? reduce the size and scope of the federal gov't?
Please.
No jeb, no GOP.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 18, 2015 02:54 PM (3ZtZW)
530
"525 Any of you that are going to sit out the next election and let Hillary win, you don't have a right to complain about anything ever again. Just saying. Jeb Bush governed as a conservative in Florida. There's no reason to believe he wouldn't be as President."
No worries. Jeb will be out before Florida.
No worries. Jeb will be out before Florida.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at September 18, 2015 02:55 PM (pq97T)
531
525 Any of you that are going to sit out the next election and let Hillary win, you don't have a right to complain about anything ever again. Just saying. Jeb Bush governed as a conservative in Florida. There's no reason to believe he wouldn't be as President.
Posted by: rexbatt at September 18, 2015 02:50 PM (woA40)
_______________________
And be more than willing to walk across the aisle to make deals with his Democrat friends... even when he wouldn't have to.
Posted by: rexbatt at September 18, 2015 02:50 PM (woA40)
_______________________
And be more than willing to walk across the aisle to make deals with his Democrat friends... even when he wouldn't have to.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 18, 2015 02:56 PM (LXJ1e)
532
>>486 51 I would vote for Bernie before Jeb.
May as well throw gasoline on the fire at this point.
We don't need no water let the motherfucker Bern!
May as well throw gasoline on the fire at this point.
We don't need no water let the motherfucker Bern!
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 18, 2015 03:00 PM (TULs6)
533
Either get immigration under control or conservatism is fucking dead, forever.
Get that through your thick skulls.
Get that through your thick skulls.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander at September 18, 2015 03:01 PM (COpZ4)
534
I expected this from the start, but I don't think Trump is going to fade in the manner you think he is. You're like that chick who wondered how Nixon won when nobody she knew voted for him. How many LIVs do you think even know about the heritage foundation? An appearance at that event could only harm him if it produced a sound bite that made him look stupid, but his absence has absolutely no effect.
You, and most of us aren't normal when it comes to obsessing over politics, so toss that bias away. Let Trump start to harp about TPP or another illegal murder tragedy happen, and Trump is right back where he was. That is actually Trumps biggest problem. He has to manage voter interest that is a problem only the front runner faces, so if he realizes this then he's carefully controlling policy releases.
You, and most of us aren't normal when it comes to obsessing over politics, so toss that bias away. Let Trump start to harp about TPP or another illegal murder tragedy happen, and Trump is right back where he was. That is actually Trumps biggest problem. He has to manage voter interest that is a problem only the front runner faces, so if he realizes this then he's carefully controlling policy releases.
Posted by: DFCtomm at September 18, 2015 03:06 PM (94jzl)
535
#515,
Exactly.
Exactly.
Posted by: Pastorius at September 18, 2015 03:06 PM (gMAUH)
536
I remember when I was a teenager and read through the Terry Goodkind fantasy novels, there's a scene very early on where a character conducts an amusing trick to illustrate how people often will firmly believe something is true solely because they are *afraid* that it's true. I know this idea has been expressed in more places than that, but I think it's particularly applicable to the fear of Jeb. I don't think Jeb is gonna happen, though perhaps it's not impossible, but people are way overestimating his chances because they are so afraid of it that it must be true.
But really what I'm saying is that a Jeb Bush nomination is like having a wizard trick you into thinking that your dick fell off.
But really what I'm saying is that a Jeb Bush nomination is like having a wizard trick you into thinking that your dick fell off.
Posted by: cjw at September 18, 2015 03:09 PM (UJ59J)
537
How many times has Trump been pronounced dead. What does anyone know about Foreign Policy ? Did George Bush know anything about foreign policy ? How did that work out.
Posted by: alanstern at September 18, 2015 03:21 PM (zUhtH)
538
Geez, give the "Trump is finished" meme a rest. Way past tiresome. I have yet to see any indication he is anywhere near finished.
Posted by: Tuna at September 18, 2015 03:22 PM (JSovD)
539
Great- more Eyeore crap- just what we need. Fiorina can't win because oppo. Sure. I'll sit this one out and let the haggard queen ascend before voting for Jebby. Many of us will.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at September 18, 2015 03:30 PM (sqpGi)
540
I do not favor Paul at all either, but he is one of
the few, I believe, who can score a big chunk of the youth vote. If you
can survive Cal and come out with people liking you, you can survive
anywhere.
Posted by: zombie
Paul's not my favorite, either. But again: how much worse would he be than what we have?
the few, I believe, who can score a big chunk of the youth vote. If you
can survive Cal and come out with people liking you, you can survive
anywhere.
Posted by: zombie
Paul's not my favorite, either. But again: how much worse would he be than what we have?
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 18, 2015 03:32 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Levin at September 18, 2015 03:40 PM (e1eKc)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at September 18, 2015 03:41 PM (1hM1d)
543
Well, come what may, I will not show up to vote for any amnesty lover. I'd sooner cut off my own d*ck. Bernie the commie will be horrible but at least he'd hasten the end. Bring on the civil unrest! Once the real rightwing haters get a strret army going, then maybe we'll see some positive change.
Posted by: Reactionary at September 18, 2015 03:45 PM (reacA)
544
@538 'Geez, give the "Trump is finished" meme a rest. Way past tiresome. I have yet to see any indication he is anywhere near finished.'
Indeed!
That being said, this suggests a possible explanation for Trump's mysterious disappearance today. In CONTRAST to the suggestion (elsewhere) that it has anything to do the Hillary plant calling Obama a Muslim, this might be plausible.
Something nobody likes to admit is that Trump is actually REALLY smart - probably just a smart as Carson and Fiorina. Actually, probably more so. While many mistake his often unyielding stances with being unwilling or unable to learn, he actually learns and reacts extremely quickly.
Anyway, it could be that he has picked up on a need to come up to speed on some things before making another public appearance. STILL, it could also be that there's some sort of negotiation he wants to do regarding Putin's visit.
OR he could actually simply be telling the truth. Keep in mind that he may be a billionaire, but the guys who control far vaster resources that his are REAL unhappy about Trump's success, and could be hassling him in business. They OWN the other candidates, on both sides - for a reason - and REALLY want to get something for their money.
Indeed!
That being said, this suggests a possible explanation for Trump's mysterious disappearance today. In CONTRAST to the suggestion (elsewhere) that it has anything to do the Hillary plant calling Obama a Muslim, this might be plausible.
Something nobody likes to admit is that Trump is actually REALLY smart - probably just a smart as Carson and Fiorina. Actually, probably more so. While many mistake his often unyielding stances with being unwilling or unable to learn, he actually learns and reacts extremely quickly.
Anyway, it could be that he has picked up on a need to come up to speed on some things before making another public appearance. STILL, it could also be that there's some sort of negotiation he wants to do regarding Putin's visit.
OR he could actually simply be telling the truth. Keep in mind that he may be a billionaire, but the guys who control far vaster resources that his are REAL unhappy about Trump's success, and could be hassling him in business. They OWN the other candidates, on both sides - for a reason - and REALLY want to get something for their money.
Posted by: Optimizer at September 18, 2015 03:46 PM (/q6+P)
545
Someone please take this post down immediately. It is embarrassing and makes Drew look stupid. Trump went up 3 points and Carson dropped. He is now further ahead then before. For Drew's sake please take it down.
Posted by: Drew's Mom at September 18, 2015 03:56 PM (HxfDZ)
546
Trump's balls beg to differ. They aint going no where.
And yea, we are just a few POLICY pOints for righting the ship of state and restoring the rule of aw, prosperity...yea just adjustment and some policy wonk stuff and we (USA) are good to go.
Some time education can make you stupid.
It is time for the ASCENDANCY OF BALLS.
And yea, we are just a few POLICY pOints for righting the ship of state and restoring the rule of aw, prosperity...yea just adjustment and some policy wonk stuff and we (USA) are good to go.
Some time education can make you stupid.
It is time for the ASCENDANCY OF BALLS.
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at September 18, 2015 03:59 PM (htXhe)
547
I think this is too negative. I intensely dislike Trump and would be aghast to have him as the nominee (although I'll vote for him if he wins it), but he has done something of a service by puncturing Jeb Bush's campaign. It's hard to come back from ridicule that makes a huge chunk of the electorate snicker at you. Romney survived because it was a weak 2012 field. McCain survived in 2008 because the more conservative candidates split the field. Neither of them had a nationwide celebrity entertainer with Trump's megaphone making fun of them in a way that was accepted by Republicans. Jeb Bush may not be able to get past the combo of his name, his rustiness as a candidate, and the ridicule. The field is still pretty deep.
Posted by: Jill at September 18, 2015 04:10 PM (rrkRA)
548
Jebito ain't winning (back) Virginia. Try winning the WH w/o 13 EV.
Posted by: ... at September 18, 2015 04:22 PM (fscqy)
549
I will never support another bush, if Hillary wins so be it!
Posted by: Harrybalzack at September 18, 2015 04:26 PM (MVP5t)
Posted by: Gunsmoke at September 18, 2015 04:30 PM (fIrXh)
551
Well, I certainly hope that people are more reasonable than that. Senator Cruz has even less experience on the national stage than Senators Rubio and Paul. I wonder who is donating all that money if he really has raised "a shit ton". There isnt any funny business going on with the Cruz campaign, is there?
Posted by: Begonia at September 18, 2015 01:53 PM (ttgbf)
No, there isn't.
and I'll say this: ANY of the other candidates would be preferable to Trump.
Posted by: Begonia at September 18, 2015 01:53 PM (ttgbf)
No, there isn't.
and I'll say this: ANY of the other candidates would be preferable to Trump.
Posted by: DRayRaven at September 18, 2015 04:55 PM (q4f8l)
552
Drew, I usually agree, but you're wrong here. Or at least, your comparison with 2012 is way off.
Romney was always the frontrunner, yes he dropped to #2 in the polls nationally occasionally, but he was never #7 in an early state, or polling at 8% nationally.
Compare Jeb and Romney.
Jeb: http://bit.ly/Jeb2016polls
Romney: http://bit.ly/Romney2012polls
Will it be Trump? I hope not. But it's hardly open-shut that it will be Jeb.
Romney was always the frontrunner, yes he dropped to #2 in the polls nationally occasionally, but he was never #7 in an early state, or polling at 8% nationally.
Compare Jeb and Romney.
Jeb: http://bit.ly/Jeb2016polls
Romney: http://bit.ly/Romney2012polls
Will it be Trump? I hope not. But it's hardly open-shut that it will be Jeb.
Posted by: Doug at September 18, 2015 05:12 PM (yNjgJ)
553
One word: Ketchup. For when you have to eat your words.
Posted by: herb borkland at September 18, 2015 05:41 PM (AZ4sn)
554
Yeah, now I get to vite for some scumbag treasonous anti-american pro-illegal alien piece of shiite, R or D, doesn't matter.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 18, 2015 05:44 PM (NaeCR)
555
Trump is not over, just another early obit like all of them before. He's leading by huge margins today in the Gravis poll that was conducted of people who watched the debate.
Trump released a white paper on 2nd Amend righs today that is red meat to the base. He's not going anywhere.
Trump released a white paper on 2nd Amend righs today that is red meat to the base. He's not going anywhere.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at September 18, 2015 06:17 PM (xetep)
556
If it's Jeb, then I'm out. I'm not voting for another Bush just on general principle. Screw that dynasty crap. I'm for letting it burn if that's the GOP plan.
Posted by: USNA1985 at September 18, 2015 07:18 PM (1Sbc+)
Posted by: SDN at September 18, 2015 07:57 PM (D3RdB)
558
This is some of the worst election analysis I have ever read.
Bush's numbers have trended down in key states and nationwide ever since he got in, ALL he's got is cash to play.
It's the better more conservative candidates that suffer while Trump sucks all the oxygen out of the room. There were several outstanding performances among conservative candidates in the debate this week, but none of them will garner much new support competing against the three ring circus sideshow that is a Trump candidacy.
Already one conservative candidate with real accomplishments and results has dropped out. The next one, Walker, is on fumes.
Trump is preventing any actual conservative candidate from becoming a viable challenger to Jeb, and the longer the Donald stays in, the fewer conservative choices will have the funding and campaign organization to compete with Bush somewhere down the line.
ALL OF THE GUYS POLLING BELOW 8% ON PRIMARY DAY ARE GOING TO BE DONE BEFORE SUPER TUESDAY.
Trump doesn't even understand conservative positions, much less embrace them, or put policy along side them. When his emperor-has-no-clothes moment comes, (and it will, because Donald is an egotistical dumb ass completely dependent upon his 24/7 media presence and talk radio fluffers to clean up his daily gaffes) if all I am left with is Bush because the candidacies of so many other practical choices were killed in the crib by you fuckwits that thought the reality-tv-host-for-President gambit was a good bet, only to have you dicks turn around and then say, "Fuck it, Jeb is a GOP establishment candidate" in the general election after leaving all of us that one awful choice?
<takes deep breath>
I'm gonna have stern words for you miscreants for sure. I already have no use for the Ingrahams, Limbaughs, and Levins who have turned everything they claimed was important on their head just to support this tool. The too cute by half approach to prevent Bush from winning is more likely to ensure it. Fuck you all who think like that.
Bush's numbers have trended down in key states and nationwide ever since he got in, ALL he's got is cash to play.
It's the better more conservative candidates that suffer while Trump sucks all the oxygen out of the room. There were several outstanding performances among conservative candidates in the debate this week, but none of them will garner much new support competing against the three ring circus sideshow that is a Trump candidacy.
Already one conservative candidate with real accomplishments and results has dropped out. The next one, Walker, is on fumes.
Trump is preventing any actual conservative candidate from becoming a viable challenger to Jeb, and the longer the Donald stays in, the fewer conservative choices will have the funding and campaign organization to compete with Bush somewhere down the line.
ALL OF THE GUYS POLLING BELOW 8% ON PRIMARY DAY ARE GOING TO BE DONE BEFORE SUPER TUESDAY.
Trump doesn't even understand conservative positions, much less embrace them, or put policy along side them. When his emperor-has-no-clothes moment comes, (and it will, because Donald is an egotistical dumb ass completely dependent upon his 24/7 media presence and talk radio fluffers to clean up his daily gaffes) if all I am left with is Bush because the candidacies of so many other practical choices were killed in the crib by you fuckwits that thought the reality-tv-host-for-President gambit was a good bet, only to have you dicks turn around and then say, "Fuck it, Jeb is a GOP establishment candidate" in the general election after leaving all of us that one awful choice?
<takes deep breath>
I'm gonna have stern words for you miscreants for sure. I already have no use for the Ingrahams, Limbaughs, and Levins who have turned everything they claimed was important on their head just to support this tool. The too cute by half approach to prevent Bush from winning is more likely to ensure it. Fuck you all who think like that.
Posted by: CausticConservative at September 18, 2015 08:13 PM (5q6rm)
559
Good grief, all you Trump haters, including Ace.
THE DEMISE OF TRUMP MEANS HILLARY WINS.
JEB HAS NO CHANCE. (And he doesn't want a real chance anyway, since he knows full well his role is to throw it to Hillary.)
Fucking figure it out, already.
THE DEMISE OF TRUMP MEANS HILLARY WINS.
JEB HAS NO CHANCE. (And he doesn't want a real chance anyway, since he knows full well his role is to throw it to Hillary.)
Fucking figure it out, already.
Posted by: Oy at September 18, 2015 08:22 PM (HM6W6)
560
Carson had a terrible night, and he knows it, and will adjust accordingly.
These are post debate polls today from Rasmussen.
http://tinyurl.com/pnd82ke
These are post debate polls today from Rasmussen.
http://tinyurl.com/pnd82ke
Posted by: Levin at September 18, 2015 09:53 PM (9TS9J)
561
Drew just keep fucking that chicken on Jeb. No way. He can have all the money and he can't get any actual voters excited to vote.
You completely discount Cruz who can answer policy questions better than any other.
I expect him to be the late riser and I frankly think Trump will end up throwing his support and possibly money behind Cruz.
You completely discount Cruz who can answer policy questions better than any other.
I expect him to be the late riser and I frankly think Trump will end up throwing his support and possibly money behind Cruz.
Posted by: brainpimp at September 18, 2015 09:54 PM (zosQc)
562
Shorter, correct, read between the lines explanation of the above article:
Trump is faltering. I love Trump. I want you to come back to Trump, so I am going to scare you with Jeb.
PATHETIC.
Trump is faltering. I love Trump. I want you to come back to Trump, so I am going to scare you with Jeb.
PATHETIC.
Posted by: Greymarch at September 18, 2015 10:02 PM (cojlL)
563
The GOPe's plan is to force Jeb on us as a nominee. Keep in mind that these are the same people who make the rules for the primary, and also choose whether or not to enforce them.
They can also throw tons of money at a whole soccer team's worth of losers so they'll jump in just to keep the grassroots divided and/or flitting from one candidate to the next.
Meanwhile, the big donors' support for Jeb remains steadfast. They don't even care if he wins or loses; either way, they get the policies they want. They don't care if they get what they want from Jeb or from Hillary.
The rise of Trump is a spanner in their works. He has YUGE crossover appeal, and he doesn't need GOPe money. Most importantly, though... he's just not one of them.
I think Trump realized this four years ago, when he was publicly questioning the murky miasma surrounding Obama's biography, and suddenly found himself shunned by all sorts of wealthy and influential people he'd previously considered friends.
I think he's now running to vindicate himself against them. These people betrayed him, and now he's aligned himself with other people who've been betrayed by them... the conservative grassroots.
This is why I support him. He was told by them that he was not one of them, and he responded by switching sides in that classic battle of us vs. them.
Welcome to Team Us, Mr. Trump.
They can also throw tons of money at a whole soccer team's worth of losers so they'll jump in just to keep the grassroots divided and/or flitting from one candidate to the next.
Meanwhile, the big donors' support for Jeb remains steadfast. They don't even care if he wins or loses; either way, they get the policies they want. They don't care if they get what they want from Jeb or from Hillary.
The rise of Trump is a spanner in their works. He has YUGE crossover appeal, and he doesn't need GOPe money. Most importantly, though... he's just not one of them.
I think Trump realized this four years ago, when he was publicly questioning the murky miasma surrounding Obama's biography, and suddenly found himself shunned by all sorts of wealthy and influential people he'd previously considered friends.
I think he's now running to vindicate himself against them. These people betrayed him, and now he's aligned himself with other people who've been betrayed by them... the conservative grassroots.
This is why I support him. He was told by them that he was not one of them, and he responded by switching sides in that classic battle of us vs. them.
Welcome to Team Us, Mr. Trump.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Cruz 2016! at September 18, 2015 11:28 PM (wKc1L)
564
Never voting for a Bush.
Posted by: BHO at September 19, 2015 01:23 AM (4QW48)
565
I will never vote for another Bush. Period. In addition, I will not vote for a candidate that supports amnesty for illegal aliens.
I fully expect that I will be staying home on election day, or perhaps just not bothering to vote for the president. I may vote for all of the other elections, i.e., senate, representatives, etc., but I won't cast a vote for a Bush or any pro-amnesty candidate.
I could careless what the establishment thinks, and I could care less about the argument of holding the 'ol nose and voting for the Republican candidate.
The thing is, why bother? We all did that last election and still the Republicans in congress capitulated to Obama on every single thing. Every single time.
I am done. Completely done. At this point I'd vote for Bernie before I'd vote for another RINO. I mean, what's the difference anyway?
I fully expect that I will be staying home on election day, or perhaps just not bothering to vote for the president. I may vote for all of the other elections, i.e., senate, representatives, etc., but I won't cast a vote for a Bush or any pro-amnesty candidate.
I could careless what the establishment thinks, and I could care less about the argument of holding the 'ol nose and voting for the Republican candidate.
The thing is, why bother? We all did that last election and still the Republicans in congress capitulated to Obama on every single thing. Every single time.
I am done. Completely done. At this point I'd vote for Bernie before I'd vote for another RINO. I mean, what's the difference anyway?
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Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat