Muslim Kid Gets Arrested, Handcuffed, Fingerprinted For Bringing a DIY Clock to School

School administrators and cops thought it looked like a bomb, even though, apparently, none of them thought it actually was a bomb.

It does sort of look "like a bomb," in a vague way -- there are wires and a circuit board and a timer display. And it's in a case. (But be careful about scale on that -- look at the extension cord plug beside the case. This is not a suitcase; this is a smaller case. The kid claims it's a pencil box.)

This is the device Irving Police called suspicious #wfaa pic.twitter.com/arnur3x9LY
— D Fernandez (@DemondFernandez) September 16, 2015

I understand the reason for suspicion and for having to go through the process of asking the kid about it and all -- imagine what would happen to these civil servants if they did nothing, and then it turned out, oh yeah, it was a bomb -- but apparently the kid kept saying it was a clock, and has a plausible explanation as for why he had the home-built clock (he's an "inventor," and this is his hobby), and, again, no one actually ever thought this was a bomb, or represented it as a bomb -- so why go down the dumb trail of arresting the kid?

Had there not been any arrest, and had the left outraged about the suspicion and asking question about the device, I'd take the side of officials: they are instructed by We the People to have a zero tolerance policy with "weapons." I think that's stupid as shit, but that's the stupid rule we (collectively) have given them.

The problem comes when they keep going down the same road. I get the reason for suspicion; I even get the RACIST suspicion about the kid because his name is Ahmad Mohamad. While people are shrieking about that, I think I've read some news stories with people with similar names actually building bombs. Pretty sure about that.

I get suspicion, I get vigilance, I get asking questions.

But what I don't get is that when every signal you get after your first one is an ALL CLEAR signal, why you would keep on the same braindead path set by that initial suspicion and arrest him, fingerprint him, search him, handcuff him.

They may charge him with having a "hoax bomb" -- yet they themselves admit that the kid never represented it as a bomb, and always maintained it was a homebuilt clock. And, in fact, none of the administrators and cops investigating thought it was a bomb.

So how can this be a hoax bomb when no one thought it was a bomb, and the person to be charged never represented it as a bomb?

This feels like the same shit animating the Social Justice Warriors, to me.

Burns defines emotional reasoning as assuming "that your negative emotions necessarily reflect the way things really are: 'I feel it, therefore it must be true.'" Leahy, Holland, and McGinn define it as letting "your feelings guide your interpretation of reality." But, of course, subjective feelings are not always trustworthy guides; unrestrained, they can cause people to lash out at others who have done nothing wrong. Therapy often involves talking yourself down from the idea that each of your emotional responses represents something true or important.

They have a feeling; someone "made" them upset. (Made in quotes, because they actually made themselves upset.)

They believe, wrongly, that that emotion must stand for something real. The SJW get hurt or offended and believe that emotion means something, and must extract contrition, instead of just thinking "Oh I got upset over nothing. No biggie. Let's move on."

Similarly, it seems like these people got a little worried about something that looked like a bomb -- but which they were pretty sure wasn't a bomb -- and are certain too that that emotion must mean something, that someone was at fault for making them temporarily, mildly, barely concerned about something they were pretty sure wasn't a bomb.

What is the big problem with just saying "Oh, I had a reasonable suspicion that turned out to be false, this kid has plausible answers for everything, and, let's face it, this doesn't even look that much like a bomb; where's the actual explosvies?, for one thing. Oh, and the simplest bombs just use an actual analog clock as a timer; what's all this motherboard business? "

But it seems instead of admitting that that emotion was wrong, we have to follow that emotion all the way through as if it was real; someone made us feel a certain way, and here now are the consequences for that.

Some will say the kid was "dumb" for bringing a device which people could dumbly mistake for a bomb. First of all, I don't know how "dumb" it is for an electronics geek to bring his electronics project to school. But even conceding it's "dumb:" Okay: And...? Does that justify everyone else attempting to match and exceed his dumb move by being much, much dumber ourselves?

Video of the kid explaining his "invention" here.

By the way: Obama has invited this kid to the White House.

He has yet to so much as call Kathy Steinle's family.

He doesn't even pretend to care about American citizens apart from their usefulness to him in pushing his own partisan themes.

Two Questions: People on the "arrest him" side of things have brought up a couple of good questions. I don't think these prove the case, but they're good questions.

ThunderB wants to know, obviously, why the timer beeped off in English class. I can think of innocent reasons for this (because he set the timer the day before when he built the thing, and didn't change it, etc.), but yeah, it's a good question as to why this thing beeped and thus drew attention to itself. Had the thing not beeped, none of this would have unfolded.

Someone else points out the kid said he only closed the pencil-case with a cable and not a lock because he did not want it to look like "a threat." Well okay, thanks for that then kid, but this does indicate the kid knew that this thing could well be viewed as "a threat;" so why bring it to school, and why whine about getting hassled over it?

Posted by: Ace at 03:02 PM

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1 Well, if he had a used a pop-tart we would have known he was intent on harm, eh?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 16, 2015 03:04 PM (NOIQH)

2 Something tells me there is more to this story than we're being told. It too neatly fits a narrative that is helpful to the MSM and the administration. Just sayin

Posted by: Yip at September 16, 2015 03:04 PM (e7T6D)

3 And then there was the kid expelled for bringing a Lego figure holding a teeny-tiny Lego gun. Now *that* was a more serious case of terrorism, amiright?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 16, 2015 03:05 PM (NOIQH)

4 You can bet he (or anyone else) wouldn't make it through airport security carrying that without some questions being asked.

Posted by: duh at September 16, 2015 03:05 PM (fG412)

5 This reminds me of all those scenes on TV where the enter a domicile,
see a circuit board with a few components on it and solemnly declare ..
"bomb making material".

What a bunch of techno-idiots ...

They
should give the kid a diploma and advance him to the next school,
because he is already smarter than the teachers (and administrators) at
his current school.

Posted by: undocumented at September 16, 2015 03:05 PM (e8kgV)

6 So the message we get from this is that kids with Arab names who know how to solder are ipso facto a threat?

Posted by: JEM (or whatevs) at September 16, 2015 03:06 PM (o+SC1)

7 72 hours.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 16, 2015 03:07 PM (JmGFJ)

8 And then there was the gradeschool caught lobbing imaginary grenades during recess.

And yet....None of them warranted SJW outcry.
Hmmmm, wonder what the difference is?

Oh, yeah: zero tolerance for anything remotely gun-like. That's okey-dokey, just don't pick on the foreign kid.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 16, 2015 03:07 PM (NOIQH)

9 At a press conference this morning, Chief Larry Boyd said the device
-- confiscated by an English teacher despite the teens insistence that
it was a clock -- was certainly suspicious in nature.

... we need smarter English teachers.

The
Irving police chief said charges wont be filed against Ahmed Mohamed,
the MacArthur High School freshman arrested Monday after he brought what
school officials and police described as a hoax bomb on campus.

... so are the English teacher or school administrators being charged with starting a "bomb hoax" ?
It certainly wasn't the student who claimed it was a bomb.

Posted by: Francis Gary Powers at September 16, 2015 03:07 PM (e8kgV)

10 It's like hoax-racism: There or not there, depending on the mood and motives of the media, academia, etc

Posted by: himself, who can't spell and knows nothing at September 16, 2015 03:07 PM (8CdUx)

11 yeah, I'm not giving the ALL CLEAR just yet either. it's not like dry runs aren't in the playbook.

Posted by: X at September 16, 2015 03:07 PM (57fhp)

12
The outrage on this one is rating almost as high as the OMG MURDER of Cecil the Lion.

But Planned Parenthood selling human body parts from specimens they themselves kill? Crickets.

Posted by: dan-O at September 16, 2015 03:07 PM (ByqK7)

13 On the plus side, next year's project investigating the properties of sugar, which will be contained in stoppered glass vials, will go more smoothly now.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 16, 2015 03:07 PM (AC0lD)

14 Great! Now there will be at least 2 Muslims in the WH...

Posted by: dfbaskwill at September 16, 2015 03:08 PM (zllbf)

15 Clock Kid will be used in the drive to bring in Muslim "refugees."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 16, 2015 03:08 PM (W5DcG)

16 >>So the message we get from this is that kids with Arab names who know how to solder are ipso facto a threat?

Nope, the message is our public school administrators have zero tolerance + zero knowledge of that which they hate (weapons), and that some victims of public school stupidity are more sympathetic than others.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 16, 2015 03:09 PM (NOIQH)

17 and 14 year old kids routinely get handcuffed at school for all sorts of stoopid shit now... so... this really screams agenda-driven story.... ie, not manufactured story per se, but routine story blown out of proportion and immediately used for propaganda. I call bullshit. If they arrest and suspend a kid who has a fishing knife in the back of his pickup truck... happens all the time.

Posted by: Yip at September 16, 2015 03:09 PM (e7T6D)

18 Heh, I got suspended for wearing jeans. All the girls thought I was terrorist too.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 16, 2015 03:09 PM (oDCMR)

19 As I've noted, Obama will be hoisting a Muslim flag over the WH and saying Allahu Achbar when he leaves on AF 1.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 16, 2015 03:09 PM (dKQ1C)

20 Can we do the 24 hour rule pn this story...

Posted by: Fatman at September 16, 2015 03:09 PM (mcm0N)

21 Made from parts he found laying around his dad's garage I bet.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 16, 2015 03:09 PM (08Znv)

22 STEM program?

Posted by: BunkerinTheBurbs at September 16, 2015 03:10 PM (bA+CL)

23 So, does the kid have an H1-B or O-1 visa ?

Posted by: undocumented at September 16, 2015 03:10 PM (e8kgV)

24 [PRINCIPAL sweating, CLOSE UP of shaking hand, Swiss Army Knife sidecutters]

VICE PRINCIPAL: "No! The *blue* wire! Blue!"

[CLOSE UP of sidecutters snipping a GREEN wire]

VICE PRINCIPAL: "Noooooooo!1!!!11!"

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Traveler's Cheques at September 16, 2015 03:10 PM (3ZtZW)

25 FUN FACT: muslims invented the zero and clocks.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 16, 2015 03:11 PM (8ZskC)

26 There's the possibility that this was a probing operation. Just to see what the reaction would be.

Posted by: LGoPs at September 16, 2015 03:11 PM (FzE3e)

27 >> Clock Kid will be used in the drive to bring in Muslim "refugees."

And to depict all Americans as "Islamophobic."

Never mind that this happened near where there was recently a terrorist attack - the Garland Mohammed drawing event that resulted in two ISIS shooters.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 16, 2015 03:11 PM (NOIQH)

28 I think the DOJ should arrest, hand-cuff perp-walk and fingerprint everyone involved from the school and police department.

They can charge them with stupidity and violation of the kid's civil rights, but mostly stupidity.

Posted by: rd at September 16, 2015 03:11 PM (DWyvT)

29 It's actually just a printed circuit board.

All motherboards are printed circuits, but not all printed circuits are motherboards.

-Your electrical engineering pedant

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at September 16, 2015 03:11 PM (SCcgT)

30 so the media can provide a name and description when it suits their purpose. if it had been a bomb those facts would be missing.

Posted by: X at September 16, 2015 03:12 PM (57fhp)

31 Would he be better off if he had only chewed a Pop Tart into the shape of a clock?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 16, 2015 03:12 PM (8ZskC)

32 This kid KNEW what he was doing and got what he wanted.

Give me a break. Prosecute him.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 16, 2015 03:12 PM (jJRIy)

33 At least the media has finally found a peg on which to hang the zero tolerance hat.

But this has nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with schools going crazy over things that obviously are not weapons but look like them. A keychain in the shape of a gun; a t-shirt with a photo of a gun; a pop-tart eaten away in the shape of a gun!

Going batshit insane over a homemade digital clock is logical compared to those.

But it won't be solved, because the media will refuse to make the connection.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 16, 2015 03:12 PM (2lndx)

34 I'm glad some teacher is paying attention.

"O.K. young Mohammed, bring that think that looks remarkably like a bomb right in here so we can all look at it."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 16, 2015 03:12 PM (dKQ1C)

35 OK. It looks like a bomb. Kid was trying to be an ahole, clearly.

Plus, kids have been severely punished for eating breakfast pastries into threatening-looking objects.

So, yeah, the optics look bad because rayciss, but this doesn't upset me at all. This is simply the consequence of having stupid, insipid "zero tolerance" policies. Policies which, incidentally, would have probably landed me in perpetual alternative school had they been in force in my time in public skrewel.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 16, 2015 03:12 PM (/Ho8c)

36 Real bombs have a digital countdown clock with big red letters.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 16, 2015 03:13 PM (8ZskC)

37 Clock Kid to be honored at White House .. by Joe Biden

Posted by: Obama For-ks America at September 16, 2015 03:13 PM (e8kgV)

38 >>>This kid KNEW what he was doing and got what he wanted.

Give me a break. Prosecute him.

...

you sound a lot like a guy who never had an electronics kit and therefore doesn't understand why someone would wish to play with electronics.

Posted by: ace at September 16, 2015 03:13 PM (dciA+)

39 In the video, the kids says, "I closed it with a cable. Cuz I didn't want to to lock it, to make it seem like a threat, so I just used a simple cable, so it won''t look that much suspicious."

In other words, HE WAS FULLY COGNIZANT THAT HIS INVENTION LOOKED SUSPICIOUS.

And why would anyone think to lock a clock anyway? I mean, think about it.

Interesting, huh?

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2015/09/terrible-mean-ignorant-infidels-arrest.html

Posted by: Pastorius at September 16, 2015 03:13 PM (gMAUH)

40 Who is Demon Fernandez?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 16, 2015 03:13 PM (W5DcG)

41
People are using this story as a foil to parrot the claim that TEXAS IS RACIST!!!1

But here is the fact: Texas has one of the largest middle eastern populations in the US. And unlike the high latino populations that you see in the blue states, middle easterns are mostly middle class.

This means that everyday Texans share neighborhoods, schools, community events, etc. with middle easterners on an everyday basis. And aside from this bizzare incident, community cohesion is doing quite well in Texas.

Can the same be said of inter-racial mixing in blue states? Hell no. The latinos and blacks mostly live in poor neighborhoods with crappy schools, while the middle and upper class whites live in all white neighborhoods with nice schools and plenty of Whole Foods markets.

Posted by: dan-O at September 16, 2015 03:13 PM (ByqK7)

42 Why do Americans hate brown people with clocks?

Posted by: Prez'nit Shit Midas at September 16, 2015 03:14 PM (8ZskC)

43 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 16, 2015 03:14 PM (kff5f)

44 Father is probably some part of CAIR.

Think Muslim woman and the coke on a plane story/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 16, 2015 03:14 PM (dKQ1C)

45 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 16, 2015 03:14 PM (kff5f)

46 Yeah , very sad.

Posted by: 90 year Swedish Great Grandmas with TSA's hands in their panties at September 16, 2015 03:14 PM (0dcbp)

47 Typo alert:

"I understand the reason for suspicion and for having to go through the process of asking the kid about it and all -- imagine what would happen to these civil servants if they did nothing, and then it turned out, oh yeah, it was a bomb -- but apparently the kid kept saying it was a [CLOCK]"

Posted by: BornLib at September 16, 2015 03:14 PM (zpNwC)

48 If Obama had another imaginary son...

Seriously. He's bringing him to the White House?

*__0

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 16, 2015 03:14 PM (FsuaD)

49 Real bombs have a digital countdown clock with big red letters.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 16, 2015 03:13 PM (8ZskC)

ROFL

Posted by: Y. A. Tittle at September 16, 2015 03:14 PM (e8kgV)

50 You can't just let this kid go, Ace.

If you do, it'll be the boy who cried wolf all over again.

Clock, clock, clock, clock, clock, BOOM

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Traveler's Cheques at September 16, 2015 03:14 PM (3ZtZW)

51 That setup looks a little iffy on the electrical safety side. Kids lucky he didn't electrocute someone.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 16, 2015 03:14 PM (tf9Ne)

52 I hate these incidents where the principal calls the cops pn a kid who has not committed a crime.

Posted by: @votermom at September 16, 2015 03:15 PM (0MJTY)

53 >>>And why would anyone think to lock a clock anyway? I mean, think about it.

because if it opens the electronics come spilling out and probably break.

Posted by: ace at September 16, 2015 03:15 PM (dciA+)

54 Also, the kid's father is an Imam who defended the Koran in one of Terry Jones' publicity stunts.

The father/Imam also ran for President of Sudan.

and the kid is being defended right quick by CAIR.

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2015/09/terrible-mean-ignorant-infidels-arrest.html

Posted by: Pastorius at September 16, 2015 03:15 PM (gMAUH)

55 Ace, third paragraph.
"but apparently the kid kept saying it was a bomb, and has a plausible explanation as for why he had the home-built clock "

I think you maybe meant to say
"but apparently the kid kept saying it was a clock, and has a plausible explanation as for why he had the home-built clock "

Posted by: Eric at September 16, 2015 03:15 PM (t8ISX)

56 Why did the folks in Irving take this to eleventy?

Because idiots in Irving are idiots.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 16, 2015 03:16 PM (kff5f)

57 If Obama had a son.. Michelle would be pissed

Posted by: Monica "knee pads" Lewinsky at September 16, 2015 03:16 PM (e8kgV)

58 100 quatloos for his browser history.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 16, 2015 03:16 PM (JmGFJ)

59 And I don't think he needed to be handcuffed.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 16, 2015 03:16 PM (dKQ1C)

60

Why did he set the alarm to go off in the middle of his English class

Cause he did

Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at September 16, 2015 03:16 PM (S9+NF)

61 It's so hard to make thing "fool proof" .. because fools are so ingenious

Posted by: Albert Einstein at September 16, 2015 03:17 PM (e8kgV)

62 Oh...by the way....clock's already been invented there, Mohammed.

lol

Posted by: eleven at September 16, 2015 03:17 PM (rjtGa)

63 If i's really a clock, where's the cuckoo goat?

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 16, 2015 03:17 PM (8ZskC)

64 >>So the message we get from this is that kids with Arab names who know how to solder are ipso facto a threat?

Achmed Sr: Where did you learn to solder and make timing devices?

Achmed Jr: I learned it by watching you, Dad! I LEARNED IT FROM YOU!

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Traveler's Cheques at September 16, 2015 03:17 PM (3ZtZW)

65 You just watch, this is another Flying Imams.

Posted by: Pastorius at September 16, 2015 03:17 PM (gMAUH)

66 >>>
Why did he set the alarm to go off in the middle of his English class

Cause he did

....

i don't know why it beeped off. I get your suggestion, but surely you can imagine a dozen innocent explanations, too.

Posted by: ace at September 16, 2015 03:17 PM (dciA+)

67 "I believe the future is clocks that fit in briefcases that look like bombs" -- President Obama

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 16, 2015 03:17 PM (TJCSB)

68 Kid making a home-made clock? Great. No problem. But this device was clearly made with the intent to appear like a bomb on a TV show. It's just too obvious that this is taunting, trying to create an incident.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 16, 2015 03:17 PM (/Ho8c)

69 Real bombs have a digital countdown clock with big red letters.

Did you not see Goldfinger?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 16, 2015 03:17 PM (W5DcG)

70 Coz English teacher was probably boooring?

Posted by: @votermom at September 16, 2015 03:18 PM (0MJTY)

71 They should give the kid a diploma and advance him to the next school, because he is already smarter than the teachers (and administrators) at his current school.

Posted by: Old Sparky at September 16, 2015 03:18 PM (e8kgV)

72 PRO TIP: You can buy a ready-made clock at Wal-Mart for about $5.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 16, 2015 03:18 PM (8ZskC)

73 This was pretty close to September 11th and they still have time to correct this. Add to all of that high schools in America are kind of notorious for young men losing their sh---stuff.

Posted by: Fatman at September 16, 2015 03:18 PM (mcm0N)

74 i fixed the unfortunate "bomb" typo. Thanks.

Posted by: ace at September 16, 2015 03:18 PM (dciA+)

75 #62 Eleven.

LOL

Posted by: Pastorius at September 16, 2015 03:18 PM (gMAUH)

76 >>The father/Imam also ran for President of Sudan. and the kid is being defended right quick by CAIR.

Wow, it's so great when the perfect narrative comes together, and all the political players who will benefit are right there ready for the spotlight, huh?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 16, 2015 03:18 PM (NOIQH)

77 By the way

This us not far from Garland

Remember Garland

Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at September 16, 2015 03:18 PM (S9+NF)

78 At lease he didn't bring peanuts...

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 16, 2015 03:19 PM (AC0lD)

79 So the message we get from this is that kids with Arab names who know how to solder are ipso facto a threat?
Posted by: JEM (or whatevs) at September 16, 2015 03:06 PM (o+SC1)

----------------------------------------

Yes. In this day and age, I would consider a 15 yo. muzzie who knows how to manipulate circuit boards a threat.

Posted by: Soona at September 16, 2015 03:19 PM (Fmupd)

80 Think this was meant to be provacative? Or just a fluke?

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 16, 2015 03:19 PM (1JqUE)

81 As far as bomb parts, damned near every kid in school is carrying a potential bomb detonator like the ones used for IEDS in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It is call a CELL PHONE.

Posted by: rd at September 16, 2015 03:19 PM (DWyvT)

82 I'm guessing that the more we know about the father, the sketchier this whole thing will seem.

Posted by: Furious George at September 16, 2015 03:19 PM (UlJ3l)

83 >>>PRO TIP: You can buy a ready-made clock at Wal-Mart for about $5.

yeah why would someone learn a skill at making something when they could just buy it

you're totally right. learning is dumb

Posted by: ace at September 16, 2015 03:19 PM (dciA+)

84 This is proof positive that NASA's muslim outreach program is working.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 16, 2015 03:19 PM (FsuaD)

85 The kid has to work on the power supply.

I mean, it's not practical to have a bomb that requires an AC outlet.

Posted by: Old Sparky at September 16, 2015 03:20 PM (e8kgV)

86 Had there not been any arrest, and had the left outraged about the suspicion and asking question about the device, I'd take the side of officials: they are instructed by We the People to have a zero tolerance policy with "weapons." I think that's stupid as shit, but that's the stupid rule we (collectively) have given them.

Not to fuss too much, Ace, but Whee the People never once told those idiot skool administrators to expel any student for chewing a Pop Tart temporarily into the shape of a gun. Nor did we tell them to suspend a student with a ridiculously small toy gun that's obviously a toy.

They came up with that insanity after being elected. I rather doubt if they'd said they were going to do something like that, they'd ever be allowed anywhere near a skool.

Why we're tolerating this bizarre behavior by these people in charge of our children's education is beyond my understanding.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 16, 2015 03:20 PM (LUgeY)

87 Next week maybe the kid can make something that looks like a bomb, but actually only keeps time. Cause he's an inventor.

Posted by: LGoPs at September 16, 2015 03:20 PM (FzE3e)

88 This is teh stoopid. This kid either did this for the desired result... just for the shock value and attention or to show off he could make bomb timers. Probably seeking attention, but there is no " he's just a simple kid playing with electronics' BS. If a kid can't have a freaking fishing knife in their pickup truck in the parking lot, or a bullet , forgotten in a jacket..... then no freakin muzzie-immigrant kid can home-build bomb-timers and take them to school and set the alarm off and get all shocked-face and pictures taken when arrested. Good god... this is stupid.

Posted by: Yip at September 16, 2015 03:20 PM (e7T6D)

89 >>>Think this was meant to be provacative? Or just a fluke?

i get the suspicion that it was MEANT to be provocative, but there's no evidence for it-- the kid kept saying it's a clock, and no one, including the teachers and cops, actually ever thought it was a bomb.

So how provocative was it?

Posted by: ace at September 16, 2015 03:20 PM (dciA+)

90 I am pretty sure if Ahmed had brought that case on ab our of the White House he would have ended up lying face down on the pavement with three or four Secret Service agents on top of him.

Posted by: blaster at September 16, 2015 03:21 PM (2Ocf1)

91 Was it ticking?

Actually, you don't worry about weird electronics that are ticking because modern bombs don't tick.

It's the vibrating that means you have to call the police. Nine times out of ten it's an electric razor, but every once in a while ... it's a dildo.

Of course it's company policy never to, imply ownership
in the event of a dildo. You have to use the indefinite article -- "a dildo,"
never "your dildo."

Posted by: Phinn at September 16, 2015 03:21 PM (DLUnW)

92 I absolutely agree that the adults in this situation are overreacting. I don't believe there is any such charge as "Creating a Hoax bomb."

This would violate the Zero-Tolerance policies of almost all schools, however.

Posted by: Pastorius at September 16, 2015 03:21 PM (gMAUH)

93 I am pretty sure if Ahmed had brought that case on ab our of the White House he would have ended up lying face down on the pavement with three or four Secret Service agents on top of him.
Posted by: blaster

This x1000

Posted by: Coolio at September 16, 2015 03:21 PM (HuDmg)

94 "But what I don't get is that when every signal you get after your first
one is an ALL CLEAR signal, why you would keep on the same braindead
path set by that initial suspicion and arrest him, fingerprint him,
search him, handcuff him."

Jeez, ace, how many times again have you interacted with contemporary government officialdom? They have A Strict Formal Process, and once the wheels begin to turn, that Process will be carried out to completion, come hell or high water. They can't conceptualize of doing things any other way.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 16, 2015 03:21 PM (noWW6)

95 By extension of the logic on display, every chemistry class also doubles for explosives training...

Posted by: Brock O'bama at September 16, 2015 03:21 PM (eDWZG)

96 >>>PRO TIP: You can buy a ready-made clock at Wal-Mart for about $5.

yeah why would someone learn a skill at making something when they could just buy it

you're totally right. learning is dumb

I know. I'm the guy who built a microwave oven out of an old marine radar and a hamster cage.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 16, 2015 03:21 PM (8ZskC)

97 >>>Not to fuss too much, Ace, but Whee the People never once told those idiot skool administrators to expel any student for chewing a Pop Tart temporarily into the shape of a gun. Nor did we tell them to suspend a student with a ridiculously small toy gun that's obviously a toy.

well the morons we voted for told them to do that, and we have not corrected them.

(Though it should be said they also do not listen to us voters much.)

Posted by: ace at September 16, 2015 03:22 PM (dciA+)

98 The adults got hoodwinked, BAMBOOZLED!

Posted by: Pastorius at September 16, 2015 03:22 PM (gMAUH)

99 >>>yeah why would someone learn a skill at making something when they could just buy it
you're totally right. learning is dumb

And by the way, this isn't even that strange or rare of a hobby for kids. The explosion of Raspberry Pi has made this type of playing very common.

Shows how out of touch the schools are to see his little project as a mystery.

Posted by: dan-O at September 16, 2015 03:22 PM (ByqK7)

100 "I believe the future is clocks that fit in briefcases that look like bombs" -- President Obama

"The future must not belong to those who slander Timex."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 16, 2015 03:22 PM (LUgeY)

101 That thing looks nothing at all like a bomb. The problem is that when you combine stupid zero tolerance for ANYTHING with teachers who, thanks to our education training and teachers unions, are dumber than a post, you get stupid shit like this.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 16, 2015 03:22 PM (t2KH5)

102 The kid has to work on the power supply.
I mean, it's not practical to have a bomb that requires an AC outlet.
Posted by: Old Sparky

It was convenient that his desk was located close enough to the AC outlet.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 16, 2015 03:23 PM (W5DcG)

103 Next you'll be saying the whole back of the bus thing was staged. (tip: it was)

Posted by: why, why not at September 16, 2015 03:23 PM (j2xmV)

104 Good analysis Ace.

Posted by: An Observation at September 16, 2015 03:23 PM (jnsPM)

105 Hmmm ... that's not any kind of a pencil box that I'm familiar with. And that is pretty heavy wire attached to a heavy duty battery cable end or something. And that square thing in the middle could be a very dangerous part from the back of an old TV that can easily electrocute the second grade class if misused. And that yuuuge pink thing bolted to the roof of the box could hide some serious explosives, or could be explosive itself.

And every kid in school has a clock already that can be a detonator, or could be set off with a phone call ... that's right that cell phone thingy that they all can't get enough of has lots of potential if you add a little bit of explosives to it.

So it's all overblown, out of proportion, and dumb, until it's not.

I'm just telling you, mr preznit would not allow me to bring a box that size in his presence.

Posted by: Mephitis at September 16, 2015 03:23 PM (GLwVs)

106 By the way: Obama has invited this kid to the White House.

Oh FFS. I'm pretty much on Team Kid, and pretty much against everyone who's against him because his name is Ahmed.

But when Obama uses him as a stage prop the Horde is going to get its hate on.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 16, 2015 03:24 PM (JtwS4)

107 (So was the monkey trial. And the movie was total fiction.)

Posted by: why, why not at September 16, 2015 03:24 PM (j2xmV)

108 #55
'Okay I might have to amend my response based on that error.

Speaking of reporter error- Reuters reported that Hungary was rolling tanks to the border of Syria.

They meant --Serbia.

Posted by: Fatman at September 16, 2015 03:24 PM (mcm0N)

109 Well, it will give Obama a chance to make some more comments about bigotry and intolerance and high fives for "young students who show great creativity...our future inventors...Islam was a great source of invention...blah, blah, blah"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 16, 2015 03:24 PM (dKQ1C)

110
Kid making a home-made clock? Great. No problem. But this device was
clearly made with the intent to appear like a bomb on a TV show. It's
just too obvious that this is taunting, trying to create an incident.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 16, 2015 03:17 PM (/Ho8c)

============================

I think so too. And btw, if anyone brought a suspicious looking package with wires and stuff that looked splodey into my little granddaughter's school, I am the first one in line saying "you better check that out."

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 16, 2015 03:24 PM (dFi94)

111 There's the possibility that this was a probing operation. Just to see what the reaction would be.

As we all know from the constitution, if a police officer can imagine something he has probable cause for arrest. It's basically just another form of evidence.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 16, 2015 03:24 PM (1RNgT)

112 @101 first glance I would call it a suspicious package.

But apparently nobody thought so. So yeah I don't get the arrest.

Posted by: blaster at September 16, 2015 03:25 PM (2Ocf1)

113 >> then no freakin muzzie-immigrant kid can home-build bomb-timers and take them to school and set the alarm off and get all shocked-face and pictures taken when arrested. Good god... this is stupid.

That's what's so galling.

Public schools have been pulling this over-the-top zero-tolerance garbage for years, prompted by the very progressive school administrators who want to stomp down any notions of weapons, patriotism, etc.

But now -- NOW!! -- that the victim is not a white boy, sh%t got real ---and of course it's *our* fault for being racists, not the long-time zero-tolerance garbage that caused this.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 16, 2015 03:25 PM (NOIQH)

114 Good analysis Ace.

Posted by: An Observation

I've heard of brown-nosing, but, dude, ease up.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 16, 2015 03:25 PM (JmGFJ)

115 I think the device in the picture does look suspicious.

Posted by: Seems Legit at September 16, 2015 03:25 PM (Xa4vS)

116 >>> I mean, it's not practical to have a bomb that requires an AC outlet.

The future belongs to young men who make pencil-case bombs that are solar powered!

Posted by: Phinn at September 16, 2015 03:25 PM (DLUnW)

117
AC outlet? Yeah,, I'd hit it...

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 16, 2015 03:25 PM (HSmrB)

118 Not for nothing, but if I saw that thing sitting unattended in an airport I'd report it as a suspicious device. So I guess it looks bombish to me.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at September 16, 2015 03:25 PM (eytER)

119 This would violate the Zero-Tolerance policies of almost all schools, however.

Posted by: Pastorius

Exactly.

And provided the information about the kid's dad is correct, this looks like intentional provocation to undermine opposition to importing thousands of potential and some actual ISIS terrorists.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 16, 2015 03:26 PM (/Ho8c)

120 >>> That thing looks nothing at all like a bomb.

A lot of bombs don't. Read an IED manual one time and the range of possible bombs is immense.

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Traveler's Cheques at September 16, 2015 03:26 PM (3ZtZW)

121 But when Obama uses him as a stage prop the Horde is going to get its hate on.

I'm not "getting my hate on". I'm a team-"be safe not sorry" and I think he shouldn't have been handcuffed but yes, Obama IS using him as a prop.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 16, 2015 03:26 PM (dKQ1C)

122
Yip is correct. Don't follow it closely, but the unbelievable, insane behavior of school personnel regarding students over things like gun-shaped pop tarts etc. has been going on for a while now, and THAT is the issue, if there is an issue.

And if any public figure is asked about this non-event, THAT is what they should talk about (even more so, as the 72-hour rule/actual facts thing is also pertinent).

Of course the absurd degradation of the WH and presidency represented by an invitation - obviously soley for its race-baiting and grievance-mongering potential in this pathetic country - is now simply routine.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 16, 2015 03:26 PM (QDnY+)

123 There's the possibility that this was a probing operation

ya think?

Posted by: 90 year Swedish Great Grandmas with TSA's hands in their panties at September 16, 2015 03:26 PM (0dcbp)

124 PRO TIP: You can buy a ready-made clock at Wal-Mart for about $5.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 16, 2015 03:18 PM (8ZskC)

Tell a gun nut that he can "buy a ready-made gun at Cabelas for" an amount of money.

Tell a computer nerd that he can "buy a ready-made computer at Best Buy for" an amount of money.

That's a completely spurious argument.

The kid is 15. Fif. Teen.

I get it, bad people are doing bad things. Irving is not that far (in DFW terms) from Garland, where a couple of maniacs tried to kill a bunch of people over Mohammed cartoons. Due process applies. Reasonable suspicion should apply.

If no one thought this was actually a threat of any kind, then - at most - the clock should have been confiscated and returned at the end of the day. He should not have been arrested, and he most certainly should not have been interrogated without his parent present.

Suspicion is okay. Heck, it's even smart. "Hrm... around the world, 15 yr old Mohammedan kids are blowing themselves and other up, could this be a domestic case?" That makes sense.

But once you've investigated and found, "Nope! It's a home made clock because: nerd," then you're kind of under an obligation to let the kid get back to class.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 16, 2015 03:26 PM (kff5f)

125 In Iraq that could've been a bomb too. Blow off a dude's hand, booby trapped MRE trash or posters... you don't need much space.

Posted by: Draki at September 16, 2015 03:26 PM (sCOy8)

126 you sound a lot like a guy who never had an
electronics kit and therefore doesn't understand why someone would wish
to play with electronics.

Posted by: ace at September 16, 2015 03:13 PM (dciA+)

Ha ha. Before you were born I was building Health Kits and CB radios.
http://tinyurl.com/o4x6249
I still have pnp transistors. I'll bet you have no idea what those are?

The guy KNEW what he was doing. It was a set up.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 16, 2015 03:26 PM (jJRIy)

127 By the way: Obama has invited this kid to the White House.

The Secret Service is practicing wrestling Suitcase Clocks to the ground

Posted by: Ho Li Fuk at September 16, 2015 03:26 PM (e8kgV)

128 The kids father seems to a bit of a publicity whore and maybe a bit of a nut.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 16, 2015 03:26 PM (TJCSB)

129 On TV bombs usually say ACME on the side.

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 16, 2015 03:27 PM (8ZskC)

130 >>Kid making a home-made clock? Great. No problem. But this device was
clearly made with the intent to appear like a bomb on a TV show. It's
just too obvious that this is taunting, trying to create an incident.

After Columbine? Yeah, there's a concern about teens with bombs. Sucks, but that's the world we live in.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 16, 2015 03:27 PM (NOIQH)

131 Why we're tolerating this bizarre behavior by these people in charge of our children's education is beyond my understanding.

Monopolies have that effect on people. School administrators are occasionally known for using children as proxies in conflicts with parents.

When faced with randomly vicious behavior from a monopoly that you are required to pay for, a whole lot of people will just try not to draw attention to themselves and their children.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 16, 2015 03:27 PM (2lndx)

132 Has Barry even sent an intern to a cop's funeral?

Posted by: Iblis at September 16, 2015 03:27 PM (9221z)

133 Good analysis Ace.

Posted by: An Observation

Ace (PBUH) is the kindest, gentlest, fairest, even-handed, benevolent and merciful blogfather to ever stride the earth. Bless him and his furriness.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 16, 2015 03:27 PM (/Ho8c)

134

I know. I'm the guy who built a microwave oven out of an old marine radar and a hamster cage.-- Cicero

****

YOU OWE ME A NEW HOME!!!

Posted by: Cicero's Angry Hamster at September 16, 2015 03:27 PM (m3iiU)

135 The more I find out about this incident, the more something smells fishy.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 16, 2015 03:28 PM (LUgeY)

136 I honestly think this countries problems are nothing that being invaded and conquered by China can't fix.

Short of that we're completely fucked.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 03:28 PM (TULs6)

137 It did provoke national attention ... so it was pretty provocative. Do kids just volunteer to bring in projects like this very often?

But I'd look at the parents for the motivators, and I'd guess the FBI is doing just that. But not much point in arresting him, except maybe they'd like his fingerprints and his "clock" parts on file, in case a working model shows up somewhere else one day, with the case built from C4.

Posted by: Illiniwek at September 16, 2015 03:28 PM (6zZ5y)

138 Make a cookie that resembles a gun, you get suspended, make a clock that looks like a bomb and you get invited to the White House.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 16, 2015 03:28 PM (TJCSB)

139 All you Asian kids out there .. beware .. the Sudanese are getting close

Posted by: Bang Ding Ow at September 16, 2015 03:29 PM (e8kgV)

140 All you fops who insist on not joining Twitter:

@VodkaPundit 's header picture is a sight to behold.

twitter.com/VodkaPundit

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 16, 2015 03:29 PM (JmGFJ)

141 If it was a balanced appropriate reaction we would never have heard of it. Since the reaction was way off the scale (this time it was an "over"; at other times it will be an "under") it was noticed and reported on.*

And yeah, Obama is a grandstanding, divisive douche-trough who values human beings only to the extent they can do something for him. Can't mention that often enough.

*My grasp of the obvious is magnificent and luxurious - like Donald Trump's windswept scalp-weasel.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 16, 2015 03:29 PM (hLRSq)

142 (So was the monkey trial. And the movie was total fiction.)

I was framed!

Posted by: Mojo Jojo at September 16, 2015 03:29 PM (W5DcG)

143 112 @101 first glance I would call it a suspicious package.

But apparently nobody thought so. So yeah I don't get the arrest.

Posted by: blaster at September 16, 2015 03:25 PM (2Ocf1)

There was a lawsuit awhile back, because a guy wanted to get a Job as a Policeman, and even though his test scores were much higher than others that were hired, he was passed over.

The Police dept. said they do NOT hire the smartest, because with smart people they were having retention problems... the Court bought that argument... and thus essentially decided that it is OK to have a dumb Police Dept.

I would say this particular Police Dept. has followed that very plan...

Posted by: BB Wolf at September 16, 2015 03:30 PM (qh617)

144 Let's flash back to the 1970s, which those of you who were around then will recall being the era when airports suddenly sprouted security checkpoints in response to what was then colloquially called "skyjacking".

I saw an eight year old kid get pulled aside and given the third degree by the security staff because of having a Heathkit device, and D batteries, in his carry-on bag.

Correctly so. Kid could have been a mule for an adult passenger with ill intent.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 16, 2015 03:30 PM (noWW6)

145 Before your grandfather throw out his old TV ..
tear out the guts .. take it to school ... claim is a clock

Posted by: Bernie Madoff at September 16, 2015 03:30 PM (e8kgV)

146 138 Make a cookie that resembles a gun, you get suspended, make a clock that looks like a bomb and you get invited to the White House.
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 16, 2015 03:28 PM (TJCSB)

Isn't that part of the Muslim Brotherhood initiation?
Used to be the Boy Scouts got to go to the White House. Now its Junior Jihadis.

Posted by: Iblis at September 16, 2015 03:30 PM (9221z)

147
you sound a lot like a guy who never had an electronics kit and therefore doesn't understand why someone would wish to play with electronics.

Posted by: ace at September 16, 2015 03:13 PM (dciA+)

He presented it to a tech teacher (as a clock) who told him he shouldn't let any other teachers see it. This ensured he has a witness that is was a clock. Then, has the alarm (which he himself built) go off in the class of probably the least tech-experienced teacher on his schedule, English.

And he stated that the teachers there aren't aware of what he is capable of. Guess they are NOW, huh? Yeah!

This kid wanted attention, and got it; this smells like a kid fucking with everyone.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 16, 2015 03:31 PM (sJuWI)

148 There is nothing more grating that a 60Hz alarm on a home-made clock

Posted by: Super Mario at September 16, 2015 03:31 PM (e8kgV)

149 >>> That thing looks nothing at all like a bomb.

>>>>>>>A lot of bombs don't. Read an IED manual one time and the range of possible bombs is immense.

wait, we're now finding the thing that doesn't look like a bomb to be suspicious precisely because it DOESN'T look like a bomb?

Posted by: ace at September 16, 2015 03:31 PM (dciA+)

150 >>>>But what I don't get is that when every signal you get after your first
one is an ALL CLEAR signal, why you would keep on the same braindead
path set by that initial suspicion and arrest him, fingerprint him,
search him, handcuff him.
.
.
.Simple, Zero Tolerance. Once the clock made someone think it looked like a bomb, they went on Zero Tolerance automatic pilot with a per-determined outcome. Just like with the kid and the pop tart gun, same concept.

Liberals simply can't operate any other way. Their brains can't physically process stuff like this any other way. If it looks like a "bomb" then by golly it is a bomb.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 16, 2015 03:32 PM (iONHu)

151 I don't trust islam. I don't trust anyone that makes light of the threat of islam. They want to destroy us. All one has to do is observe the prez. If he's not islamic, then he is for islam.

If this device were in the knapsack of a black Baptist child, I'd say the school went too far. Otherwise, I think they acted as they should.

Posted by: Soona at September 16, 2015 03:32 PM (Fmupd)

152 You know I think Obama wants us to get infuriated about this and waste energy.

Posted by: Draki at September 16, 2015 03:32 PM (sCOy8)

153 There is nothing more grating that a 60Hz alarm on a home-made clock

You haven't heard one of my apologies.

Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Milhaus Clinton at September 16, 2015 03:32 PM (8ZskC)

154 Note, after showing this to his Tech Teacher, who TOLD him not to show it to other teachers...

The Kid proceeded to carry it around all day, until it beeped in English Class.

Tech Teacher should have held onto it until after school..... OR the Kid should have put the damn thing in his locker...

Posted by: BB Wolf at September 16, 2015 03:32 PM (qh617)

155
2 Something tells me there is more to this story than we're being told. It too neatly fits a narrative that is helpful to the MSM and the administration. Just sayin

Could not agree more. Worthy of further investigation...

Posted by: JBrother at September 16, 2015 03:32 PM (tiZ4y)

156 Officer Fife might need some time off after that harrowing ordeal.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 16, 2015 03:33 PM (1RNgT)

157 Muslim father who debated Terry Jones and believes in post 9/11 Islamophobia : sure, bring that to school.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 16, 2015 03:33 PM (TJCSB)

158 FALSE FLAG OP

Posted by: Zerohedge at September 16, 2015 03:33 PM (0dcbp)

159 I do have a problem with his being interrogated without a guardian or legal counsel present. And I'm not sure that arresting him is the correct answer to the incident.

But then again, I'm not a specialist in the laws in TX nor in the school system's policies for responses to "zero tolerance" violations. Many other schools have totally preposterous and over-the-top policies, and many other innocuous items and actions have resulted in disproportionate punishments.

I just can't get too upset about this. Beyond saying, "yeah the optics suck, and hopefully they got all their bases covered legally," I don't see a problem. That is, besides the stoopid zero tolerance crap.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 16, 2015 03:33 PM (/Ho8c)

160 Can't help but wonder if the kid's name was Ian and he was a red-headed, freckle-faced boy who was arrested for bringing a dreaded butter knife to school, if a visit to the WH would be on Barry's agenda.

/s

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 16, 2015 03:33 PM (FsuaD)

161 My guess,he wanted to create an incident so he could charge "islamophobia".Now he is going to the WH.Mission accomplished.

Posted by: steevy at September 16, 2015 03:33 PM (sPO3u)

162 You know I think Obama wants us to get infuriated about this and waste energy.

Stray Voltage.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at September 16, 2015 03:34 PM (eytER)

163 This would violate the Zero-Tolerance policies of almost all schools, however.

Posted by: Pastorius at September 16, 2015 03:21 PM (gMAUH)

Errr... no. It wouldn't.

Kids take projects to school all the time. Many of them are built from various electronic components. And the moment *everyone involved* said, "Nope, that's just a clock," the matter should have been dropped.

Let's say this is "probing" or "supposed to be provocative." So what? If it was "a probing attack" as I've seen mentioned up-thread, then it was caught, and would be in real life, too. If it was supposed to be provocative, it was a stupid way to provoke people to say, "Oh, that's my home made clock. I brought it up here to show my shop teacher (or whoever)."

So, once more: the initial suspicion was completely reasonable. Investigating to find out what Achmed Jr. brought in his book-bag is reasonable. Questioning Achmed Jr about "what is that you brought, and why does it look like a bomb component?" Reasonable.

Calling the cops and having him taken to the police station and interrogated after investigating and asking AJ what he brought and determining, "Oh, because it's a clock and AJ is a nerd?" No longer reasonable.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 16, 2015 03:34 PM (kff5f)

164 I would be in prison for the stuff I was working on in Comp Sci Hardware systems class.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at September 16, 2015 03:34 PM (1ijHg)

165 ace, since you are still around, what are the plans for tonight's debate?

Live blog or just throw tomatoes at TV when Trump talks?

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 16, 2015 03:34 PM (jJRIy)

166 I once built an ashtray out of an empty beer bottle

Posted by: GT 5.0 at September 16, 2015 03:34 PM (MzrcS)

167 What does it matter whether it looks like a bomb?

Richard Reid wore a bomb that looked like a shoe.

For years, airlines restricted the amount of OTC household medical goods because people figured out how to make explosives from them easily.

The principal was concerned, probably because he was an education major and not an engineering major. Besides, it's his ass if any child gets hurt or killed in his school, not the MSM which would be scolding him for not being vigilant if it did happen.

Bottom line: kid was inconvenienced a bit but nothing seriously wrong or damaging happened to him.

In other news: plenty of children were murdered in places like Syria and Libya while this kid was being questioned about his clock.

Posted by: MacGruber at September 16, 2015 03:34 PM (kQBSd)

168 >>>So it's all overblown, out of proportion, and dumb, until it's not.

I'm just telling you, mr preznit would not allow me to bring a box that size in his presence.

..

right, which is why I am perfectly fine with the suspicion, and taking the clock, and asking questions, and etc.

Where I find fault is with the arrest -- an arrest made after discovering no incriminating information, based purely on the initial suspicion.

Posted by: ace at September 16, 2015 03:35 PM (dciA+)

169 161
My guess,he wanted to create an incident so he could charge "islamophobia".Now he is going to the WH.Mission accomplished.

Posted by: steevy at September 16, 2015 03:33 PM (sPO3u)

BINGO

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 16, 2015 03:35 PM (jJRIy)

170
Ace, the kid's father seems to be skewing opinions.
I am not sure what to think myself other than the arrest was silly.

Posted by: Cicero's Angry Hamster at September 16, 2015 03:35 PM (m3iiU)

171 Remember the attention-seeking parents of "balloon boy"? I wonder if this is the same sort of thing?

Do something asinine, look for an over-reaction, get all huffy about racial and religious profiling, threaten to sue, get a huge payout to go away.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 16, 2015 03:35 PM (hLRSq)

172 Why would anybody think that thing was a bomb?? it doesn't look anything like the pressure cookers in Boston or the little Toshiba jambox on PanAm flight 103.

Posted by: bob in houston at September 16, 2015 03:35 PM (XRxxn)

173 >>wait, we're now finding the thing that doesn't look like a bomb to be suspicious precisely because it DOESN'T look like a bomb?

To many people anything with wires looks like a bomb. Remember the Boston Lite-Brite?

Honestly we're lucky the idiots didn't evacuate the school and detonate it in place just in case it was a bomb.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 03:35 PM (TULs6)

174 120 A lot of bombs don't. Read an IED manual one time and the range of possible bombs is immense.

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Traveler's Cheques at September 16, 2015 03:26 PM (3ZtZW)

It looks nothing like a bomb because it has no explosive material in it at all and nothing that remotely look like explosive material. If he had packed it with grey clay or silly putty with two wires running into the clay I would say yeah, it was a hoax bomb. He brought it to school to show his science/physics teacher because he was known for building little devices like this.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 16, 2015 03:35 PM (t2KH5)

175 $500 to $1000 worth of hardware including the case. Professionally done except for board and transformer mounting.

To make a clock?

Smells. Set-up by people who don't know what something done by an amateur should look like.

Posted by: too good at September 16, 2015 03:35 PM (1uTkE)

176 >>>ace, since you are still around, what are the plans for tonight's debate?

Live blog or just throw tomatoes at TV when Trump talks?

...

i'll have a thread up and comment in it, then, when it's over, we're recording the podcast.

Posted by: ace at September 16, 2015 03:35 PM (dciA+)

177 I remember my highschool in TX had zero tolerance for even having a pocket knife on a passenger seat in a locked car... It's the govt being stupid as usual. Obama is inviting this kid just to anger conservatives and spite us.

Posted by: Draki at September 16, 2015 03:35 PM (sCOy8)

178

Kid set the alarm

it goes off in third period in English class

that prolly late morning

why that time

kid showed it to engineeering techer first period who said cool, now put it away and allegedly "dont show the other teachers"

which I would have taken to mean "put that shit in your locker and dont drag it to class"

seems to me this is an attention whoring stunt by someone

daddy like attention

CAIR sure was on the scene right away

President got RIGHT ON that shit with the invite

dove tails perfectly with racists dont want Syrian refugees

Posted by: ThunderB at September 16, 2015 03:36 PM (zOTsN)

179 we don't do liveblogs anymore; I hate them.

Posted by: ace at September 16, 2015 03:36 PM (dciA+)

180 Eh, how many kids are into building stuff straight out of Radio Shack's Engineer's Mini Notebook Volume I?

As usual - police and social media overreact.

Posted by: 13times at September 16, 2015 03:36 PM (WHVu+)

181 Where I find fault is with the arrest -- an arrest
made after discovering no incriminating information, based purely on the
initial suspicion.

Posted by: ace at September 16, 2015 03:35 PM (dciA+)

I think the video you posted clearly explains the arrest. It was a hoax bomb and he was arrested. Did you watch your video?

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 16, 2015 03:36 PM (jJRIy)

182 I don't trust islam. I don't trust anyone that makes light of the threat of islam. They want to destroy us. All one has to do is observe the prez. If he's not islamic, then he is for islam.

If this device were in the knapsack of a black Baptist child, I'd say the school went too far. Otherwise, I think they acted as they should.
Posted by: Soona

That's pretty much where I'm at

I'm not going to pretend that's in any way that's acceptable in today's society, but it's how I feel

Posted by: Coolio at September 16, 2015 03:36 PM (HuDmg)

183 @149 - Yes that is bad logic.

However - I used to be on the bomb squad. First glance I would call it suspicious.

If I found it all by itself I would say evacuate and investigate.

And I guarantee you if this kid had it going into the White House it would be red alert.

But that isn't really the point. The point is, as you so brilliantly analyzed, that nobody thought it was a bomb and yet the kid got arrested.

Dumb.

Posted by: blaster at September 16, 2015 03:36 PM (2Ocf1)

184 a liveblog is really no different than a comment system EXCEPT I get yelled at for not posting people's comments.

So I'd rather just use the regular comments, where I don't get yelled at for not putting up people's comments.

Posted by: ace at September 16, 2015 03:37 PM (dciA+)

185 The Kid proceeded to carry it around all day, until it beeped in English Class.

Tech Teacher should have held onto it until after school..... OR the Kid should have put the damn thing in his locker...
Posted by: BB Wolf at September 16, 2015 03:32 PM (qh617)

Until, the clock with the alarm that he built and setup up, went off - not in Math or Science - but English class.

HE CREATED AND SET THE ALARM.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 16, 2015 03:37 PM (sJuWI)

186 179
we don't do liveblogs anymore; I hate them.

Posted by: ace at September 16, 2015 03:36 PM (dciA+)

So does everyone else, well done. Lot of trouble, low results.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 16, 2015 03:37 PM (jJRIy)

187 >>>172 Why would anybody think that thing was a bomb?? it doesn't look anything like the pressure cookers in Boston or the little Toshiba jambox on PanAm flight 103.

Because they have been educated by TV not reality. They think a bomb looks like an LCD clock display with wires coming out of it.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 03:37 PM (TULs6)

188 My guess,he wanted to create an incident so he could charge "islamophobia".Now he is going to the WH.Mission accomplished.

The kid literally got arrested for being Islamic with a clock. Maybe islamophobia isn't such a stretch here.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 16, 2015 03:37 PM (1RNgT)

189 FUN FACT: muslims invented the zero and clocks.

And pressure cookers that go "BOOM" and throw ball bearings everywhere.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2015 03:37 PM (cN1tG)

190 community cohesion is doing quite well in Texas.

Saw a couple put a rug down on a sidewalk and commence prayers, outside an IHOP on Forest Lane in North Dallas.

Posted by: DaveA at September 16, 2015 03:38 PM (DL2i+)

191 I am announcing my intention to consider the possibility of perhaps throwing my hat into the very crowed field of running for the nomination of the GOPe for president. And I do have my own stick!

Posted by: Happy Gilmore at September 16, 2015 03:38 PM (5hKvv)

192 160 Can't help but wonder if the kid's name was Ian and he was a red-headed, freckle-faced boy who was arrested for bringing a dreaded butter knife to school, if a visit to the WH would be on Barry's agenda.

/s

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 16, 2015 03:33 PM (FsuaD)

Yeah.... if the Kid had been named Jefferson Davis Smith, and had a Confederate Flag on his case...

He'd still be in Jail...

Posted by: BB Wolf at September 16, 2015 03:38 PM (qh617)

193 Holy cripes we can question the English teachers bomb or not bomb skills later thankfully .

He erred on the side of caution and that he didn't know-- pretty smart.

Who here would want to rest their kid's safety on a civilian commenter's bomb ID capabilities?

Posted by: Fatman at September 16, 2015 03:38 PM (mcm0N)

194 Maybe islamophobia isn't such a stretch here

And I'm okay with that.

Posted by: Chattanooga at September 16, 2015 03:38 PM (0dcbp)

195 I've heard of brown-nosing, but, dude, ease up.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 16, 2015 03:25 PM (JmGFJ)
If I want shit from you - I'll squeeze it out of you.

Posted by: An Observation at September 16, 2015 03:39 PM (jnsPM)

196 >>Where I find fault is with the arrest -- an arrest made after discovering no incriminating information, based purely on the initial suspicion.

Sadly, schools call in police now for unruly kids - 1st graders getting handcuffed, that sort of thing. It's a symptom of the public schools being incapable of handling discipline correctly.

This is a two-parter: zero-tolerance nonsense + race-baiting in response to it.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 16, 2015 03:39 PM (NOIQH)

197 "...Where I find fault is with the arrest..."

When the President want someone arrested they are arrested. When Hilary wanted someone arrested they were arrested. That's why people are calling it USSA and Amerika.

Posted by: back of the bus at September 16, 2015 03:39 PM (1uTkE)

198 >>> wait, we're now finding the thing that doesn't look like a bomb to be suspicious precisely because it DOESN'T look like a bomb?

Who said that? I said a lot of things that are bombs - really, triggers - do not look like bombs. Which, lets be serious now, very few of you could point out anyway.

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Traveler's Cheques at September 16, 2015 03:39 PM (3ZtZW)

199 Something tells me there is more to this story than we're being told. It too neatly fits a narrative that is helpful to the MSM and the administration. Just sayin
Posted by: Yip at September 16, 2015 03:04 PM

Didn't read all the comments, but Howie at Jawa says kid has been in the news before. He debated that idgit preacher who was going to burn the koran.

Test run? Nah...
CAIR Bait?? Yup!

Posted by: JarvisW at September 16, 2015 03:39 PM (3+E+K)

200 I saw an eight year old kid get pulled aside and given the third degree by the security staff because of having a Heathkit device, and D batteries, in his carry-on bag.

Correctly so. Kid could have been a mule for an adult passenger with ill intent.

No. NOT correctly so. Happening to have an electronics kit and D batters is not "probable cause" any more than me happening to want to fly from Dallas to Mexico City should be. Less, in fact - because who the hell wants to go to Mexico City?

Something something trade freedom for security something something.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 16, 2015 03:39 PM (kff5f)

201 So I'd rather just use the regular comments, where I don't get yelled at for not putting up people's comments.

What would you prefer to be yelled at for?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 16, 2015 03:39 PM (JtwS4)

202 This is the world we've created for ourselves.

I don't know which is worse - the schools or the airlines. The schools pull remarkably stupid shit, but I think the airlines take the cake and actually look for reasons to divert flights and inconvenience hundreds of people for innocent remarks or any defiance of Nazi flight attendants.

Posted by: jwest at September 16, 2015 03:39 PM (Zs4uk)

203 Oh hey - steevy was thinking the same thing.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 16, 2015 03:40 PM (hLRSq)

204 Saw a couple put a rug down on a sidewalk and commence prayers, outside an IHOP on Forest Lane in North Dallas.

Posted by: DaveA

Did they come in afterward and have some delicious sausages?

I keed, I keed.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 16, 2015 03:40 PM (/Ho8c)

205 My guess,he wanted to create an incident so he could charge "islamophobia".Now he is going to the WH.Mission accomplished.

Actually, the dry run was a sucess. Now his cell KNOWS how they will react the next time.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2015 03:40 PM (cN1tG)

206 Kid making a home-made clock? Great. No problem. But this device was
clearly made with the intent to appear like a bomb on a TV show. It's
just too obvious that this is taunting, trying to create an incident.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 16, 2015 03:17 PM (/Ho8c)

Soory, I disagree. I have made a few electronic projects back in the day. Way back in the day.

You use whatever is handy for a container when building your cheap projects, especially if you have a limited allowance. You spend your money ofn the electronics, not the box. Today I'd probably use a plastic zip-loc or tupperware container. Back in the 1970's, we'd use metal boxes or something similar. I used a lunch box one time, and if I had a pencil box like the one shown, i would have used that. We used a metal desk drawer for a modem we built. It never worked right, even at the blazing fast speed of 110 baud.

What I am trying to say, is this looks like something I would have built back then, and I am not an Islamic Terrorist Bomber. Leave the kid alone, which is what the idiots at the school should have done!

Posted by: rd at September 16, 2015 03:40 PM (DWyvT)

207 so his dad is some kind of imam nut. but of course.

Posted by: X at September 16, 2015 03:40 PM (57fhp)

208 Only the Left think Islamophobia is our nation's biggest challenge.

I'd like to see what would happen if a white Christian brought that into a Planned Parenthood.

Something tells me they wouldn't be staying at the White House when it all got cleared up.

Posted by: Coolio at September 16, 2015 03:40 PM (HuDmg)

209 Off, furry sock.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 16, 2015 03:40 PM (m3iiU)

210 How many bombs have you seen IRL?

I'm going to admit--shocking I know especially on the internet--that i have seen exactly zero.

Posted by: Fatman at September 16, 2015 03:40 PM (mcm0N)

211 So how provocative was it?

The original and at least one trip to the WH's worth of news cycle so min. 2.

Posted by: DaveA at September 16, 2015 03:40 PM (DL2i+)

212 I've heard of brown-nosing, but, dude, ease up.

heh.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 16, 2015 03:40 PM (0dcbp)

213 Hey dad, check out my briefcase clock that looks like a bomb. Dad : take that baby to school.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 16, 2015 03:41 PM (TJCSB)

214 OK ace, just cause I am messing with you. PNP transistor or NPN transistor?

Discuss. No googling!

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 16, 2015 03:41 PM (jJRIy)

215 Is it RAAAAACist if I wonder what the Kids Citizenship status is?

Posted by: BB Wolf at September 16, 2015 03:41 PM (qh617)

216 "But what I don't get is that when every signal you get after your first
one is an ALL CLEAR signal, why you would keep on the same braindead
path set by that initial suspicion and arrest him, fingerprint him,
search him, handcuff him."

Case study in insane government overreach. Ordinary guy in Wyoming with a huge, luxurious farmstead that is all of eight square acres builds a tiny stock pond to water the family horse.

The EPA in all of its majesty, from 1500 miles away, detects this activity, and airdrops a crack team of federal environmental investigators into Resume Speed, WY. They conclude at once that this fellow is guilty of doubleplusungreen gaiahurt and propose to fine him $75,000 _per day_.

Despite stock ponds being a specifically allowed and described carve-out in the relevant federal statutes!

This is how government now operates at all levels.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 16, 2015 03:42 PM (noWW6)

217 Don't brown nose an Ewok.

Trust me.

Posted by: eleven at September 16, 2015 03:42 PM (rjtGa)

218 My initial thought was it was meant to be a fake bomb until he was confronted then it was ' no, no it's just a clock' .

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 16, 2015 03:42 PM (Q3fP7)

219 wait, we're now finding the thing that doesn't look like a bomb to be suspicious precisely because it DOESN'T look like a bomb?

Posted by: ace at September 16, 2015 03:31 PM (dciA+)

In Iraq, I wouldn't have been bothered by a blade of grass or a tree, but a box with wires coming out if on the road or in a room I just cleared... yeah it could be a bomb easily.

Posted by: Draki at September 16, 2015 03:42 PM (sCOy8)

220 Did you know if you mixed equal parts of gasoline and frozen orange juice concentrate you can make napalm?

One can make all kinds of explosives using simple household items.

If one were so inclined.

Posted by: Phinn at September 16, 2015 03:42 PM (DLUnW)

221 Yeah.... if the Kid had been named Jefferson Davis Smith, and had a Confederate Flag on his case...

He'd still be in Jail...

Posted by: BB Wolf

Exactly. Let's say he brought in a homemade sewing project with a St. Andrew's Cross flag, no stars, but used a red field and blue cross.

"Oh, it's not a Confederate Flag. It's a St. Andrew's Cross!"

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 16, 2015 03:43 PM (/Ho8c)

222 So I'd rather just use the regular comments, where I don't get yelled at for not putting up people's comments.

In fact, Horde, I think we should Horde-source ideas for things to yell at Ace about.

I'll start the bidding low: fashion sense.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 16, 2015 03:43 PM (JtwS4)

223 Maybe islamophobia isn't such a stretch here.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 16, 2015 03:37 PM (1RNgT)

Some call it islamophobia; others call it playing the odds.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 16, 2015 03:43 PM (hLRSq)

224

this clock was designed to get attention and it did

even if it wasnt a bomb and authorities knew it wasnt a bomb

they had to make sure t was not a test or dry run of some sort

ISIS is having spectacualr success recruiting nerdy 15 year olds

one just got arrested in the east coast for a plot to kill the pope

they shouldnt have arrested him

but they should investigate the ever loving hell out of it

Posted by: ThunderB at September 16, 2015 03:43 PM (zOTsN)

225 "OK ace, just cause I am messing with you. PNP transistor or NPN transistor?"

Big MOSFET for the win.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 16, 2015 03:43 PM (noWW6)

226 No. NOT correctly so. Happening to have an electronics kit and D batters is not "probable cause" any more than me happening to want to fly from Dallas to Mexico City should be.

It'll still get you a DHS Colonoscapy.
Unless you are muslim. Then you get a free pass.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2015 03:43 PM (cN1tG)

227 >>>175 $500 to $1000 worth of hardware including the case. Professionally done except for board and transformer mounting.

Huh??? What the hell costs $500 for an electronic clock?

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 03:43 PM (TULs6)

228 Bottom line: kid was inconvenienced a bit but nothing seriously wrong or damaging happened to him.

Except that now his finger-prints are on file with every law enforcement agency in the United States and probably discoverable by every law enforcement/intelligence agency in the world.

I'm sorry, but I'm past the point of giving the government the benefit of the doubt.

I mean, why does it not seem to matter that *no one thought this was a bomb?*

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 16, 2015 03:44 PM (kff5f)

229 I don't care so much for the arrest or don't arrest side outside of the whole militarized police state, arrest everyone thing the US is descending into.

It's that the kid's a muslim and we're supposed to care about that.

First, just because he's a POC, we're supposed to assume he's a muz? Second, was he wearing his ID badge saying, "hey my name is Muzzie McMuzzie the Muzzie" No? Then, he's just a brown* kid with a bunch of wires.

The open borders nutjob and liberal psychopath union relies on us being super sensitive to the point of suicidal tendencies for the muz and other replacement Americans. So much so that any basic law enforcement or survival instinct is mocked as "evil rednex white 'muricans too stupid to welcome their replacement POC overlords with open arms and no suspicion whatsoever"

So, of course, Obama's going to make him his latest weirdo, tone death, out of touch narrative that the GOP in congress will fall in line with.

* right? the whole POC thing is this, brown in a eevvvil white world.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 16, 2015 03:44 PM (ariQ4)

230 Ohhhh. . . he was arrested because of his big scary CLOCK!!

I didn't hear you right the first time.

In that case, Ahmed, don't bother coming to the White House.

Posted by: Barack Obama at September 16, 2015 03:44 PM (KCQo0)

231 Bandersnatch

Razors -- oh wait...

Posted by: Fatman at September 16, 2015 03:44 PM (mcm0N)

232 I like PNP cause it's more positive.

Posted by: eleven at September 16, 2015 03:44 PM (rjtGa)

233 I use NPNs way more than PNPs, mostly because I'm switching ground.

Posted by: fb at September 16, 2015 03:45 PM (JVEmw)

234 Dry run?

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 16, 2015 03:45 PM (zLv2s)

235 And now the kid is gonna write about his horrible oppression in his college app. Hello ivy league.

Posted by: @votermom at September 16, 2015 03:45 PM (4XFNL)

236 Didn't read all the comments, but Howie at Jawa says kid has been in the news before. He debated that idgit preacher who was going to burn the koran.

Test run? Nah...
CAIR Bait?? Yup!

Posted by: JarvisW

Grumble grumble no link ...

"But Mohammad may have been trolling for CAIR points its not his first go around.

(quote from dallasnews article ) Mohamed is familiar with anti-Islamic politics. He once made national headlines for debating a Florida pastor who burned a Quran. (quote from dallasnews article )"

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 16, 2015 03:45 PM (JmGFJ)

237 Well if he wasn't a full-blown jihadi then, he will be one now.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 16, 2015 03:45 PM (0dcbp)

238 164 I would be in prison for the stuff I was working on in Comp Sci Hardware systems class.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at September 16, 2015 03:34 PM (1ijHg)

---------------------

Were you the muslim son of an active member of CAIR? I didn't think so.

Posted by: Soona at September 16, 2015 03:45 PM (Fmupd)

239 Hey BB Wolf, remember yesterday about the POWs and your Gen George S Patton Sock?

Posted by: Draki at September 16, 2015 03:45 PM (sCOy8)

240 This is called 'dual use technology'. Electronic parts when assembled into a time keeping device, can also be used as a timer for detonating improvised explosive devices.

It follows, then, that anyone attempting to purchase electronic parts must have a background check, and file a statement with the FBI on what these dangers parts will be used for.

The same holds true for other component parts such as metal pipe, pressure cookers, fertilizer, diesel fuel, batteries, and any other potential bomb making part. Federal licensing requirements must be implemented quickly and background checks for anyone who possesses this dangerous knowledge.

We don't want this technology falling into the wrong hands. It's only common sense, for the children, and to keep us safe. Obviously we can't have high schools teaching teenagers this dangerous technology.

Posted by: Karl Bogendegia at September 16, 2015 03:45 PM (82pwv)

241 This is the world we've created for ourselves.

No, this is what's been forced upon us by people who hate us.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 16, 2015 03:45 PM (LUgeY)

242 220
Did you know if you mixed equal parts of gasoline and frozen orange juice concentrate you can make napalm?

Actually, you need Ivory Snow Flakes to make sure it's real napalm and sticks to the victim. The Orange juice story is BS.

Don't axe how I know this shit.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 16, 2015 03:45 PM (jJRIy)

243 220 Did you know if you mixed equal parts of gasoline and frozen orange juice concentrate you can make napalm?

Sound pretty refreshing too!

Posted by: jwest at September 16, 2015 03:45 PM (Zs4uk)

244 @votermom

*fistbump*

Posted by: Mortimer at September 16, 2015 03:45 PM (0dcbp)

245 I'd like to see what would happen if a white Christian brought that into a Planned Parenthood.

Something tells me they wouldn't be staying at the White House when it all got cleared up.

THIS should be the litmus test.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2015 03:46 PM (cN1tG)

246 225 "OK ace, just cause I am messing with you. PNP transistor or NPN transistor?"

Big MOSFET for the win.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 16, 2015 03:43 PM (noWW6)

Power Klystron

Posted by: BB Wolf at September 16, 2015 03:46 PM (qh617)

247 we don't do liveblogs anymore; I hate them.

Posted by: ace at September 16, 2015 03:36 PM (dciA+)
Um, those are pretty strong words there, Ace...."I hate them". Kind of skirting right up to the edge of the banning policy, I'd say, with regards to this so-called liveblog person/thingy.Ah, I'm just messin' with ya!!
*ducks for cover*

Posted by: LGoPs at September 16, 2015 03:46 PM (FzE3e)

248 He was invited to a corroboree at the White House?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 16, 2015 03:47 PM (KCQo0)

249 Actually, you need Ivory Snow Flakes to make sure it's real napalm and sticks to the victim. The Orange juice story is BS.

Don't axe how I know this shit.

Dissolve styrofoam in gas. It gels.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2015 03:47 PM (cN1tG)

250 Fox Business News just reported that the White House is in lockdown because of a suspicious package. Clock?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 16, 2015 03:47 PM (W5DcG)

251 They used to make roadside bombs from cell phones, why is it so crazy that somebody would think this could look like a bomb at first glance?

I mean if someone was detained in school for having a weapon that turned out to be a spray painted toy revolver, I wouldn't be saying what idiots they were for thinking it was an actual firearm.

I still think this is political agitprop

Posted by: Coolio at September 16, 2015 03:47 PM (HuDmg)

252 Power Klystron

Damn...why didn't I say that.

Posted by: eleven at September 16, 2015 03:47 PM (rjtGa)

253 $500 to $1000 worth of hardware including the case. Professionally done except for board and transformer mounting.

To make a clock?

Welcome to 2015. Hobbyists can get small-batch professionally-done PCBs contract-manufactured in China for reasonable rates. And many do.

You could do that clock as-shown for under $100 total probably.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 16, 2015 03:47 PM (S+N7W)

254 On the one hand: this may bejust another in a long line of hysteric zero-tolerance public school freak-outs.

But on the other hand: it is also a practically perfect set-up for a CAIR-manufactured Islamophobia outrage campaign.

Posted by: Stu-22 at September 16, 2015 03:47 PM (vd4oB)

255 We used to put our stuff like that in empty cigar boxes we would get from the gas station down the street. I had a radio in a cigar box. Toughest part in those days was getting something to hold the batteries. And it is almost impossible to solder wires on a battery.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 16, 2015 03:47 PM (t2KH5)

256 also what's offensive is since 9-11 USA has created bizzarro color blind police state in an effort to:

1. account for the fucking muslims blowing shit up.
2. the muslims engaging in lawfare to prevent LE from looking at them directly.
3. the government gleefully taking this to let LE run roughshod over everyone.

Basically, we've lost a lost of our "legacy American" rights to avoid hassling the newly arrived replacement americans who, hey, just don't want to assimilate.

So, I don't care. Focus on the Muz and leave the rest of alone.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 16, 2015 03:47 PM (ariQ4)

257
239 Hey BB Wolf, remember yesterday about the POWs and your Gen George S Patton Sock?

Posted by: Draki at September 16, 2015 03:45 PM (sCOy

Yeah..... left right after that though... why?

Posted by: BB Wolf at September 16, 2015 03:48 PM (qh617)

258 So I'd rather just use the regular comments, where I don't get yelled at for not putting up people's comments.

Posted by: ace
------------------
Oh, I'm sure you'll still get yelled at. You know that as well as anyone.
Just not for the same reason.

Posted by: Chi at September 16, 2015 03:48 PM (dcmpT)

259 $500 to $1000 worth of hardware including the case. Professionally done except for board and transformer mounting.

The case he said he got at Best Buy for about $5.

The circuitry is just circuit boards and capacitors and solder and a couple of LED lights, which the kid pulled out of a stack of such stuff because his hobby is electronics tinkering.

Hell, I wish either of my kids had been half that bright at 14.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 16, 2015 03:48 PM (JtwS4)

260 Bomb? It's not a bomb it's just a plain ole Pressure cooker.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 16, 2015 03:48 PM (Q3fP7)

261 And they though wanting to learn to fly a 767 but not wanting to learn how to take off and land was not strange at the time.

Posted by: subhuman taxpayer at September 16, 2015 03:48 PM (Ph45J)

262 225
Posted by: torquewrench at September 16, 2015 03:43 PM (noWW6)

Have you started sucking donkey balls yet? Donkey ball sucking is SO good for you. I saw Dr. Oz on _Good Morning America_ and *he* says we should all be sucking donkey balls at breakfast and bedtime every day. Donkey balls lower your cholesterol! And they taste wonderful!

Tell your friends, too.

Posted by: Torquewrench's Mother-In-Law at September 16, 2015 03:48 PM (1DH1V)

263 >>Who here would want to rest their kid's safety on a civilian commenter's bomb ID capabilities?

Just a heads up I reported you to the FBI because your name looks like a bomb.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 03:48 PM (TULs6)

264 Well, if they throw kids out for chewing a twinkie into the shape of a gun you might as well throw them out for a pencil box too.

Posted by: maddogg at September 16, 2015 03:48 PM (xWW96)

265 Well if he wasn't a full-blown jihadi then, he will be one now.
***
Is this the hydra, kill one and five more pops up view of terrorism that ignores that muslim terror is based on their fucking religion?

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 16, 2015 03:49 PM (ariQ4)

266 Mr Pibb plus Red Vines equals crazy delicious.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 16, 2015 03:49 PM (TJCSB)

267 Yeah, crap on white kids but if a muslim kid gets caught doing something it's invitations to facebook by Zuckerman and to the WH by Barry.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 16, 2015 03:49 PM (iQIUe)

268 I mean, why does it not seem to matter that *no one thought this was a bomb?*
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 16, 2015 03:44 PM (kff5f)

This kid likes pushing the limits - with pseudo-explosive non-threats; I'm glad his fingerprints are on file. If he lies drama he needs to take up photography, acting, or learn how to not to get busted for pranks.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 16, 2015 03:49 PM (sJuWI)

269 So I'd rather just use the regular comments, where I don't get yelled at for not putting up people's comments.

Posted by: ace

You do realize that at least half of those 'yelling' at you were gassing you, yes?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 16, 2015 03:49 PM (JmGFJ)

270

I think he thought they would clear the school and he would cry Islamaphobia

I think the arrest was an added bonus they didnt expect

Posted by: ThunderB at September 16, 2015 03:49 PM (zOTsN)

271
So, I don't care. Focus on the Muz and leave the rest of alone.

If this had happened at a school in Japan?

They'd deport him just to make sure.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 16, 2015 03:49 PM (0dcbp)

272 The JEF should invite Bergdahl's parents back for a visit when he has Clock Boy and his family to the WH.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 16, 2015 03:49 PM (FsuaD)

273 BIG difference between a gun shaped pop tart and an electrical device not easily distinguished from a lot of things. A clock? I wouldn't have known.

Posted by: Seems Legit at September 16, 2015 03:50 PM (Xa4vS)

274 251
They used to make roadside bombs from cell phones, why is it so crazy
that somebody would think this could look like a bomb at first glance?

I mean if someone was detained in school for having a weapon that
turned out to be a spray painted toy revolver, I wouldn't be saying what
idiots they were for thinking it was an actual firearm.

I still think this is political agitprop

Posted by: Coolio at September 16, 2015 03:47 PM (HuDmg)

They made those roadside bombs from explosive shells and the cell phones were used as the detonator.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 16, 2015 03:50 PM (t2KH5)

275 It was $500-$1000 worth of hardware... in 1973.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 03:50 PM (TULs6)

276 Who here would want to rest their kid's safety on a civilian commenter's bomb ID capabilities?

Posted by: Fatman at September 16, 2015 03:38 PM (mcm0N)
======================

Not me. Not with my grandbabies. I'm not Islamaphobic. A phobia is an unreasonable fear based on nothing concrete. I've seen concrete. Concrete nearly killed my son.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 16, 2015 03:50 PM (dFi94)

277 Fox Business News just reported that the White House is in lockdown because of a suspicious package. Clock?

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2015 03:50 PM (cN1tG)

278 Oh come now.....

Posted by: eleven at September 16, 2015 03:50 PM (rjtGa)

279 It'll still get you a DHS Colonoscapy.
Unless you are muslim. Then you get a free pass.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2015 03:43 PM (cN1tG)

Yes, it will. And that's not "rightly" either.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 16, 2015 03:50 PM (kff5f)

280 #263

LOL!

Ya,i really gotta come up with something else.

Posted by: Fatman at September 16, 2015 03:50 PM (mcm0N)

281 250 Fox Business News just reported that the White House is in lockdown because of a suspicious package.
_______________________

Yeah. It was a box with workboots in it. No one in the administration could identify the package.

Very suspicious.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 16, 2015 03:51 PM (KCQo0)

282 I'll buy your outrage when the school provides the list of the tens of kids in the last few years that have been arrested for bringing hazardous stuff to school. Arrested is NOT convicted and it is NOT suspended. This was a STUNT. Special snowflake parents almost always overreact... and just who took those pictures? His parents? Back in the day, before outrage, the way some police would put the fear into young'uns was to cuff 'em and scare 'em. You need to think before you make bomb-timers and bring them to school for the shocked face.

Posted by: Yip at September 16, 2015 03:51 PM (e7T6D)

283 >>I think he thought they would clear the school and he would cry Islamaphobia
I think the arrest was an added bonus they didnt expect

Yes, it all feels like an outrage theater set-up.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 16, 2015 03:51 PM (NOIQH)

284

I would be pissed if my kids school didnt investigate it

I guess "See Something, Say Something" is all bullshit

Posted by: ThunderB at September 16, 2015 03:51 PM (zOTsN)

285 This thing could have been a countdown timer (10, 9, 8, 7 etc.), and it still wouldn't have been a bomb.

You need some type of explosive or incendiary wired in to call something a bomb. That was obviously absent, as was any wireless capability.

FAIL.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 16, 2015 03:52 PM (M+9nV)

286 1. Be muslim.
2. Build wacky electronics project that freaks out the ignoramuses and squares.
3. ???
4. Profit!

Posted by: rebel flounder at September 16, 2015 03:52 PM (1DH1V)

287 Put me down for it was fine for them to check out the clock but not to arrest the kids. Look, I'm no dummy, but I was and have always been a book nerd (I've buried myself in books since I began reading) and never tinkered. My husband? He tinkered as a kid (and as an adult, too) and he could possibly look at that and tell it was harmless. Me? I see small briefcase looking thing with wiring and electronics and I'm thinking it should probably be checked out just to be safe, regardless of the kid insisting it's a clock. It doesn't hurt to double check, but if you take it at face value and it turns out it's not a clock and things go boom....well, you know.

But again, once it was established it was indeed a clock I see no reason to handcuff the kid unless you've got some very, very solid evidence that this was intends to incite fear or something similar.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 16, 2015 03:52 PM (KkVB6)

288 Fox Business News just reported that the White House is in lockdown because of a suspicious package. Clock?

Muz kid showed up early?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 16, 2015 03:52 PM (LUgeY)

289 They used to make roadside bombs from cell phones, why is it so crazy that somebody would think this could look like a bomb at first glance?

Do 80 in a 50 with it on the seat next to you. See if Mr. Po Po agrees that at first glance it doesn't look like a bomb.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2015 03:52 PM (cN1tG)

290 Okay, engineer hat, bomb squad hat, on.

This picture shows a battery connector but no battery, and a plug in the wall to transformer power supply.

How was this beeping in class (possibility that battery has been removed but I don't think so) ? it was beeping because the kid plugged it in. So there is definitely more to the story. Maybe he is showing it to a friend, look what I built, its a clock, he plugs it in, it beeps (just plugged in default alarm is 12 am and so is the time and the hard switch for alarm is flipped) .

So if he is plugging something into the wall and disrupting class, the teacher is annoyed.

It wasn't just that the kid had this thing and some teacher looked and flipped out. That isn't even how the kid put it.

Still missing is the link from the teacher said it looks like a bomb and the cops putting him in handcuffs.

Posted by: blaster at September 16, 2015 03:53 PM (2Ocf1)

291 I have zero tolerance for islam, so I don't mind them busting the kid. He's already guilty of Satan worship.

Posted by: Chris M at September 16, 2015 03:53 PM (k3w9p)

292 "Donkey balls lower your cholesterol! And they taste wonderful!

Tell your friends, too. "

Posted by: Torquewrench's Mother-In-Law at September 16, 2015 03:48 PM (1DH1V)

I'm glad the truth about Donkey Balls is finally coming out. It's important the recent breakthroughs in Donkey Ball science are available to the public.

Posted by: jwest at September 16, 2015 03:53 PM (Zs4uk)

293 Dissolve styrofoam in gas. It gels.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2015 03:47 PM (cN1tG)

Yes, this! Not sure why Ivory Flakes were big at one time. They dissolved very quickly.

Sad, Ivory Flakes longer made.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 16, 2015 03:53 PM (jJRIy)

294 at September 16, 2015 03:48 PM (1DH1V)

Errr... so where do we report posts under the new banning policy?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 16, 2015 03:53 PM (kff5f)

295 why is everyone so worked up?

Posted by: Rip Van Winkle at September 16, 2015 03:53 PM (57fhp)

296

I think the kid and his Dad got exactly what they wanted

junior will continue his "activism", and get a full ride to Harvard based on this story

Posted by: ThunderB at September 16, 2015 03:54 PM (zOTsN)

297 True detective stories: I just advised a guy who had previously been unfaithful to his wife. Last night he made a joke to his pregnant wife about his infidelity. What did she do:

A) Laugh heartily, or

B) Go violently batshit crazy?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 16, 2015 03:54 PM (XUKZU)

298 I even get the RACIST suspicion about the kid because his name is Ahmad Mohamad.

Posted by: Ace at 03:02 PM

Uhhh...Dude. Enough of that tripe. It is not racist to recognize that there are certain cultural indicators which can lead to injury or death for failing to notice them. That is survival instinct.

Posted by: Sambo at September 16, 2015 03:54 PM (9UV3C)

299 I thought the point of these scares in schools, whether it be a clock or gun-shaped sandwich, was to condition the kids through fear and anxiety to bow at the altar of institutional control. Overreact to everything to train them do be nondescript, non-threatening good little citizens.

If so, mission accomplished yet again! For the MSM getting to cry racist at Texans is just a bonus.

Posted by: LizLem at September 16, 2015 03:54 PM (hvf9s)

300 This thing could have been a countdown timer (10, 9, 8, 7 etc.), and it still wouldn't have been a bomb.

You need some type of explosive or incendiary wired in to call something a bomb. That was obviously absent, as was any wireless capability.

FAIL.

Use it as a prop to test official response.

WINNING.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2015 03:54 PM (cN1tG)

301 yeah why would someone learn a skill at making something when they could just buy it

It looks pretty damned complicated for a stupid little clock. I did some of that electronic stuff for a science fair project, I know.

He purchased a ready-made LED display and a lot of ready-to-go components.

If it were powered by a potato...

Posted by: AmishDude at September 16, 2015 03:54 PM (Xd2w5)

302 Thank heavens he did not bring a home-brew crystal radio receiver.

I've talked myself blue in the face over this. The teachers et al reacted stupidly because they are ignorant.

It's just a single board computer, not nearly so technological or 'threatening' as an ordinary smart phone. The observers were simply ignorant about what they were looking at. Kid pays the price.

Kids are organically stupid, adults, particularly those in positions of responsibility should not be.

Most of us believe that in the case of Prof. Gates it was Gates and Obama who reacted 'stupidly', in this case it was ALL of the adults who went whacko.

I'm betting that are students in that school who play with Arduino's, Raspberry Pi's, Propellers, etc. who are rolling their eyes and saying, WTF? And they are right.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 16, 2015 03:54 PM (9mTYi)

303 Back in the day, before outrage,>>>

Kids feared their parents punishment more than they feared the police. The first reaction my Father had when school called him about me was not "what did those big meanies do to you Johnny?" It was WTF were you thinking?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 16, 2015 03:54 PM (tf9Ne)

304 Yeah. It was a box with workboots in it. No one in the administration could identify the package.

Very suspicious.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot

Workboots or anything with work attached to it would be unrecognizable to the WH.

Posted by: Cheri at September 16, 2015 03:55 PM (ZFPMM)

305 After Ft. Hood, Boston Marathon, Naval Yard, and Chattanooga my Muslim give-a-shit-meter is shot.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 16, 2015 03:55 PM (0dcbp)

306 The timing for a suspicious box at the white house could not have been better....

Posted by: Draki at September 16, 2015 03:55 PM (sCOy8)

307 And the media find this week's distraction. Thank you for your service, Kim Davis, you are relieved.

Posted by: V the K at September 16, 2015 03:55 PM (O7MnT)

308 They made those roadside bombs from explosive shells and the cell phones were used as the detonator.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party

Right, I understand the cell phone part is the detonator and not the explosive part, but what's behind the case lining in this example, etc. A guy tried to take out an airline with a bomb in the sole of his shoe.

Look, a kid will get shot by police when he points a pellet gun at them. Looking at something like that later, most gun owners could easily determine that it's not a real firearm, but at first glance, I understand the concern.

If we're not going to let a kid bring a peanut to school, can we at least say it was probably dumb to bring something that looked like a Hollywood bomb?

Posted by: Coolio at September 16, 2015 03:56 PM (HuDmg)

309 294
at September 16, 2015 03:48 PM (1DH1V)

Errr... so where do we report posts under the new banning policy?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 16, 2015 03:53 PM (kff5f)

Easy, sparky. That was a repost of what TW wrote in the last thread, joking about his MiL hounding him over everything medical she sees on TV or the internet.

Posted by: rebel flounder at September 16, 2015 03:56 PM (1DH1V)

310 8 I even get the RACIST suspicion about the kid because his name is Ahmad Mohamad.

***

was he wearing a nametag or something?

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 16, 2015 03:56 PM (ariQ4)

311 Small case with wires and a timer.

Has nothing to do with kid's schoolwork, yet kid brings it to school.

A timer goes off, and it starts beeping in the middle of a class, startling the teacher.

Kid is a Muslim named Muhammad.

In the aftermath, kid said he packed the case so it wouldn't look like a "threat".

-------------------

Putting all this together, this all went down exactly as the kid (and likely his family) wanted it to. The "clock" was made to look as vaguely suspicious as possible without going overboard. I wouldn't be surprised if some close family member was involved in CAIR. And now he is rewarded with a trip to the White House.

Posted by: breslin at September 16, 2015 03:56 PM (gJAok)

312 Here we go,ad with Morgan Freeman reasing what "Pope Francis said"Guess what statements about what subject they are interested in what he says on?

Posted by: steevy at September 16, 2015 03:56 PM (sPO3u)

313 "all clear"?

I've seen IED's that look more or less like that. There isn't really much missing.

I've also seen Mislims on a flight testing security and trying to flush out the AM.

No, I think most of these incidents are deliberate.

Whether to truly test security or simple cause a Muslim "controversy" they are real. Not some mindless pursuit of the unreasonable.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 16, 2015 03:57 PM (rsZG4)

314 well the morons we voted for told them to do that, and we have not corrected them.

Absolutely wrong.

Zero tolerance policies, just like *everything else* wrong with this country, is created by lawyers.

Specifically, tort lawyers.

These elected officials aren't making any decisions based on popular will. They're reacting to potential lawsuits.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 16, 2015 03:57 PM (Xd2w5)

315 Posted by: breslin

I agree.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 16, 2015 03:57 PM (/Ho8c)

316 So was this kid trying to provoke a response? What?

Posted by: chemjeff at September 16, 2015 03:57 PM (lVU49)

317

If he thought it was a threat, and it looked like a threat, and it went off in class...

dunno

maybe this was some sort of setup
bait
played right into the JEF's agenda too

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 16, 2015 03:57 PM (qCMvj)

318 I would be pissed if my kids school didnt investigate it

Who is saying it shouldn't be investigated? I have literally not seen that view espoused regarding this story.

I'm pretty sure everyone is on the same page: "Hey, why does a kid named Achmed have something that looks like it could be a bomb - or part of one? Maybe we should take a closer look and ask him some questions."

However, having looked more closely and asked some questions and determined it was a clock, why would you proceed with calling the cops and having him handcuffed and taken to jail?

Let's say he plugged it in despite a teacher saying not to- then the correct answer is detention, not jail.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 16, 2015 03:58 PM (kff5f)

319 Funny h

Posted by: V the K at September 16, 2015 03:58 PM (O7MnT)

320 Funny h

Posted by: V the K at September 16, 2015 03:58 PM (O7MnT)

321 I'm not happy with Obama bringing 280,000 muzzies from the ME a year but if we have a problem with that we should be looking at impeaching Obama for violating the law. Not handcuffing some 15 year old muzzie kid who likes to build electronic stuff.

But rather than impeach Obama we raise hell and zero tolerance idiots who would not know a bomb from their syphalated asshole have them handcuffed.

The other thing I find odd about this was if they thought it was a bomb why did they pick it up and carry it to the principle's office.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 16, 2015 03:58 PM (t2KH5)

322 Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 16, 2015 03:54 PM (XUKZU)

The answer is "B" and debris is still raining from the heavens.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 16, 2015 03:58 PM (hLRSq)

323 Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 16, 2015 03:52 PM (LUgeY)

LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 16, 2015 03:58 PM (dKQ1C)

324 facts are thus

he builds it

he brings it to school

first period is his tech teacher

tech teacher, according to kid, says cool, now dont show any other teachers

I bet the tacher said put that away in your locker

third period, gott be late morning, right before lunch, English

in the middle of class the "alarm" goes off

teacher is pissed

teacher sends kid, who disrupted her class, to principal

administrator freaks out and calls cops

who then arrest him and question him

question

who took the picture and who published it

was his dad present for questioning, why or why not

why did the alarm go off

why di he carry it from class to class

it was meant to get him attention, it did

Posted by: ThunderB at September 16, 2015 03:58 PM (zOTsN)

325 I wish the vice principal would have just taken it... looked at it, and then busted it into pieces and wiped them into the trash can. Then make this little geek write an essay. 500 words or so.. Also, tell him he is now on "the list" and this incident will be noted in his permanent file. then add.. " good luck with college kid", and wink.. heh heh

Posted by: Yip at September 16, 2015 03:59 PM (e7T6D)

326 Whether to truly test security or simple cause a
Muslim "controversy" they are real. Not some mindless pursuit of the
unreasonable.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 16, 2015 03:57 PM (rsZG4)

Yes, this. The guy KNEW what he was doing and the cops had a right to arrest him for a Hoax Bomb.

Sorry Charlie, Fvck you.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 16, 2015 03:59 PM (jJRIy)

327 Funny How Obama heard about this and reacted within hours... when he can go weeks and months without being aware of his own administration's scandals.

Posted by: V the K at September 16, 2015 03:59 PM (O7MnT)

328 "Posted by: Torquewrench's Mother-In-Law"

Aaaaaaaaaggggggggghhhhhhh!!!

::: throws self over cliff :::

Posted by: torquewrench at September 16, 2015 03:59 PM (noWW6)

329 This thing could have been a countdown timer (10, 9, 8, 7 etc.), and it still wouldn't have been a bomb.
--------------------------

Exactly.
Or..., it could be any smart phone, any laptop.

It could have been a damned wind-up kitchen timer.

If they want to ding the kid for disturbing class, then the penalty should have been the same as a smart phone alarm going off.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 16, 2015 03:59 PM (9mTYi)

330
I've seen IED's that look more or less like that. There isn't really much missing.

I've also seen Mislims on a flight testing security and trying to flush out the AM.

No, I think most of these incidents are deliberate.

Whether to truly test security or simple cause a Muslim
"controversy" they are real. Not some mindless pursuit of the
unreasonable.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 16, 2015 03:57 PM (rsZG4)
Yeah this was probably deliberate to get attention for muslims.

Posted by: Draki at September 16, 2015 03:59 PM (sCOy8)

331

No matter the outcome, this will still look awkward in that it kinda looked like a bomb, or at least a manmade timer (for a bomb), and its concealment, surprise beeping, and so forth will further the "muslim threat at home" image. Not going to help them.

very dumb, whatever this kid was up to, including his parents (if it was NOT connected to any science experiment; I'm watching soccer (aka futbol!), so I haven't read the details).

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 16, 2015 04:00 PM (qCMvj)

332 Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 16, 2015 03:54 PM (XUKZU)

The answer is "B" and debris is still raining from the heavens.

-
Gentlemen, we have a winner!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 16, 2015 04:00 PM (XUKZU)

333 @302 that is not a singleboard computer.

That is the innards of a clock.

Not so much an invention as a gadget - he took a clock apart, he put the parts in the case.

Posted by: blaster at September 16, 2015 04:00 PM (2Ocf1)

334 Posted by: rebel flounder at September 16, 2015 03:56 PM (1DH1V)

Oh.

I blame working-at-work.

Sorry. Carry on.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 16, 2015 04:00 PM (kff5f)

335 The kid wasn't trying to provoke a response, he was just trying to make a clock that fit into a briefcase that looked like a bomb. Stop hatin'.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 16, 2015 04:00 PM (TJCSB)

336
So was this kid trying to provoke a response? What?

Posted by: chemjeff at September 16, 2015 03:57 PM (lVU49)
=====================

Apparently dad is an Imam and involved with CAIR.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 16, 2015 04:00 PM (dFi94)

337 Can barely wait for the JEF lecturing us about intolerance, while standing in the Rose Garden next to little Achmed/Mohammed/Whatever and his dad.

Remember the poor woman in Oklahoma who was beheaded by the jihadi? Did her family get an invite to the WH?

*shakes rage meter*

It's dead, Jim.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 16, 2015 04:00 PM (FsuaD)

338 308 Posted by: Coolio at September 16, 2015 03:56 PM (HuDmg)

The shoe bomb had the sole packed with plastic explosive. IOW obvious explosive material.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 16, 2015 04:01 PM (t2KH5)

339 >>>I'm betting that are students in that school who play with Arduino's, Raspberry Pi's, Propellers, etc. who are rolling their eyes and saying, WTF? And they are right.

Exactly.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 04:01 PM (TULs6)

340 Blaster pointed out what would have happened if the kid had brought his new clock to the White House. You know, before becoming famous and having the President invite him to.

I'm sort of curious whether he gets any extra leeway now. I'm not hoping for anything and I'm not predicting he'd use it for ill. I'm just curious whether the Secret Service would have a moment's dilemma:

- We are really going to have egg on our face if we flip out on the same kid for the same kind of thing that made him famous.

- But we must be absolutely sure there's no threat to the President!

My guess is the second one wins, and then Facebook and Twitter seize up over the injustice of his being Ethnically Profiled by the White House. You know - perfect example of how injustices persist even when you elect a very smart, very cool, very liberal black president.

Posted by: JPS at September 16, 2015 04:01 PM (LZwBP)

341 Remember the poor woman in Oklahoma who was beheaded by the jihadi? Did her family get an invite to the WH?

*shakes rage meter*

It's dead, Jim.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 16, 2015 04:00 PM (FsuaD)
============================

Hiya Jane. How are you?

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 16, 2015 04:02 PM (dFi94)

342 ....
But rather than impeach Obama we raise hell and zero tolerance idiots who would not know a bomb from their syphalated asshole have them handcuffed.
The other thing I find odd about this was if they thought it was a bomb why did they pick it up and carry it to the principle's office.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 16, 2015 03:58 PM (t2KH5)

Now that right there is a threadwinning observation.
On two levels.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 16, 2015 04:02 PM (M+9nV)

343 Hey "Draki"- CAIR manufacturers this type of shit every day.

You got a point? Make it.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 16, 2015 04:02 PM (rsZG4)

344 Apparently dad is an Imam and involved with CAIR.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 16, 2015 04:00 PM (dFi94)
Even more likely a deliberate attempt to get attention. Probably the CAIR guys who contacted the President to let him know about it.

Posted by: Draki at September 16, 2015 04:02 PM (sCOy8)

345 336

So was this kid trying to provoke a response? What?

Posted by: chemjeff at September 16, 2015 03:57 PM (lVU49)
=====================

Apparently dad is an Imam and involved with CAIR.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 16, 2015 04:00 PM (dFi94)

If true, it doesn't play well for the innocent muslim getting caught up in hysteria meme.

Posted by: rebel flounder at September 16, 2015 04:03 PM (1DH1V)

346 If his parents were Tea Party...

Posted by: teh Wind at September 16, 2015 04:03 PM (B3WUC)

347 >>> I mean, why does it not seem to matter that *no one thought this was a bomb?*

Back in the 70s when they were doing all those Officer Friendly programs, they'd show how to do fingerprints by having a kid press his hand on a pad of paper while the cop's back was turned. Then they'd dust it and the cop would yell dramatically "YOU!" while pointing at the kid.

Everybody was all like WOW those cops know everybody's prints! And the teacher would end the day saying how you shouldn't be a cut-up becoz the cops know everything, yatta yatta

Of course, the teacher and cop always picked out the miscreant kids to be the patsy way beforehand, but we didn't know that. But you know, the idea was to make an impression.

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Traveler's Cheques at September 16, 2015 04:03 PM (3ZtZW)

348 @340 - I guaran-damn-tee you that on an official visit, that kid would not be able to carry that in to see the President without it FIRST going to Secret Service tech services.

Posted by: blaster at September 16, 2015 04:03 PM (2Ocf1)

349 *waves at Grammie*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 16, 2015 04:03 PM (FsuaD)

350 >>I've seen IED's that look more or less like that. There isn't really much missing.

The explosives. That's the part that's missing. The thing with the latch that goes up on the shoulder and goes boom.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 04:03 PM (TULs6)

351 You need some type of explosive or incendiary wired in to call something a bomb. That was obviously absent, as was any wireless capability.

"Obviously"? I really don't know how small bits of C4 are these days.

I'm not contradicting the "overreaction" narrative here, but I don't think there's anything obvious about the lack of incendiary devices. How would you know?

BTW, what really convinced me that this was epic trolling was the article in The (UK) Independent:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ahmed- mohamed-dallas-teenager-arrested-for- homemade-clock-says-i-have-lost- my-innocence-10503842.html

"Lost my innocence"?

"Because of my brown skin"?

Trolling level: Expert.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 16, 2015 04:03 PM (Xd2w5)

352 great issue for libs to run with: making it easier for muzlims to bomb schools.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 16, 2015 04:03 PM (ariQ4)

353 Funny How Obama heard about this and reacted within hours... when he can go weeks and months without being aware of his own administration's scandals.

Posted by: V the K at September 16, 2015 03:59 PM (O7MnT)

Marines killed in Chatanooga and how many days before flags are at half-staff?

Yeah, the little prick is just trolling you. That's really all he's got left.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 16, 2015 04:03 PM (hLRSq)

354 >>Remember the poor woman in Oklahoma who was beheaded by the jihadi? Did her family get an invite to the WH?

Chris Kyle's widow? Nope.
The three guys who recently stopped the train attack in France? No

Obama only celebrates those who further his agenda, like victims or "brave" people who come out of the closet. Not heroes.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 16, 2015 04:04 PM (NOIQH)

355 Hey "Draki"- CAIR manufacturers this type of shit every day.

You got a point? Make it.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 16, 2015 04:02 PM (rsZG4)

Huh? Just showing my agreement with some folks. Need a beer? Oktoberfest is coming.

Posted by: Draki at September 16, 2015 04:04 PM (sCOy8)

356 the Jawa's are saying the "kid" has a history of CAIR type activity...

http://minx.cc:1081/?post=219957

my guess is he was trolling to create a scene that could be used to claim "islamophobia"... mission accomplished.

the only reason that "clock" wasn't a bomb is because there wasn't an explosive payload a detonator.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 16, 2015 04:04 PM (Vha1U)

357 Yes, this. The guy KNEW what he was doing and the cops had a right to arrest him for a Hoax Bomb.
----------------

Because he obviously had telegraphed the message that he wanted to bomb someone, right? Because he intimated that it might BE a bomb, right?

Or, is that a construct going on in the mind of the observer?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 16, 2015 04:04 PM (9mTYi)

358 The shoe bomb had the sole packed with plastic explosive. IOW obvious explosive material.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party

And how would someone at first glance know explosive material was not contained behind the case lining?

Posted by: Coolio at September 16, 2015 04:04 PM (HuDmg)

359 The guy KNEW what he was doing and the cops had a right to arrest him for a Hoax Bomb.

Yep. A 15 year old KNEW that he was going to be f*cking arrested for bringing a nerdy tech project to school.

Note: Teenagers are dumb. They are usually not aware of finer points of the law regarding things like bomb threats and such - and those are the ones actually calling in bomb threats.

The people here guilty of "knowing better" are the adults at the school, the cop(s) who arrested him, and (potentially) his parents. HE is just a dumb kid who apparently ignored something a teacher said.

'Cause that has never happened in the history of ever with a sophomore in High School.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 16, 2015 04:05 PM (kff5f)

360 LOCAL NEWS STORY!!!

Posted by: smileynh at September 16, 2015 04:05 PM (5vRRq)

361 For his Senior Year project, the kid will take an old Mr. Coffee and make a flux capacitor out of it.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 16, 2015 04:06 PM (JO9+V)

362 So, beer summit for the kid and cops?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 16, 2015 04:06 PM (9mTYi)

363 Over/under on this kid actually perpetrating a terrorist attack within 10 years?

Will he blame the racism he faced in America as a child?

Posted by: Sambo at September 16, 2015 04:06 PM (9UV3C)

364 #356 there was an ampersand between "payload" and "a detonator"...

thanks Pixy!

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 16, 2015 04:06 PM (Vha1U)

365 The shoe bomb had the sole packed with plastic explosive. IOW obvious explosive material.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party

Or even that this was simply "part 2" of the bomb with the explosive material being connected later?

Posted by: Coolio at September 16, 2015 04:06 PM (HuDmg)

366 You get kids arrested by the cops for pointing their finger like a play gun, so arresting a kid for a device that at first glace could kinda look like a suspecious device is par for the course.

That being said, actually arresting the kid was wrong. Having the police investigate the matter and making sure the kid is around to answer questions is understandable, but outright arresting him is not.

Posted by: The Political Hat at September 16, 2015 04:06 PM (vBeA5)

367 Hey BB Wolf, remember yesterday about the POWs and your Gen George S Patton Sock?

Posted by: Draki at September 16, 2015 03:45 PM (sCOy

Yeah..... left right after that though... why?

Posted by: BB Wolf at September 16, 2015 03:48 PM (qh617)
You chose the wrong General. Patton's son in law was captured and Patton ordered a failed rescue attempt to bust him out.

Posted by: Draki at September 16, 2015 04:07 PM (sCOy8)

368

I dont think the kid or his Dad (who is rhe real driving force here probably) knew he was going to get arrested

I think the kid thought they would clear the school, call the bomb squad, and he would give everyone a teachable moment about Islamaphobia

I think the arrest was just the cherry on top

Posted by: ThunderB at September 16, 2015 04:07 PM (zOTsN)

369 Post-9/11 there have been so many incidents where muslims have acted provocatively without creating an actual threat. Stuff like hanging out a water reservoirs at night, making repeated trips to airline johns, airline passengers in islamic dress shouting allahu akbar in the middle of a flight, etc.

I don't know whether these have a common agenda or what it is, but this kid's actions seem of a piece with it. I'm not ready to give him a pass.

And yeah, if he wasn't a muslim kid I wouldn't give it a second thought. So, racist.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 16, 2015 04:07 PM (8ZskC)

370 test

Posted by: LGoPs at September 16, 2015 04:07 PM (FzE3e)

371 Crap.

NOW, I'm going to be investigated by the FBI for building an Arduino powered weatherstation connected to the internet which has a real-time clock.

Fortunately, they completely missed the actual timer I built for the Cub Scouts to time Pinewood Derby races.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 16, 2015 04:08 PM (M+9nV)

372 BTW, what really convinced me that this was epic trolling was the article in The (UK) Independent:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ahmed- mohamed-dallas-teenager-arrested-for- homemade-clock-says-i-have-lost- my-innocence-10503842.html

"Lost my innocence"?

Goat date night.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2015 04:08 PM (cN1tG)

373 If you see something, say something.

(Unless it's a Muslim with a suspicious ticking box).

Posted by: B. Hussein OBOMBa at September 16, 2015 04:08 PM (ZWRoJ)

374 The explosives. That's the part that's missing. The thing with the latch that goes up on the shoulder and goes boom.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 04:03 PM (TULs6)
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And an English teacher should instinctively know this.
I am not willing to wager the life of my first grade 6 year old granddaughter's life on that kind of instinct which you appear to believe should be universally recognized. I would not send her into a school building with that kind of device on the hopes that an English teacher could make the proper distinction.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 16, 2015 04:08 PM (dFi94)

375 If Obama had a kid with a bomb...

Posted by: Mortimer at September 16, 2015 04:09 PM (0dcbp)

376 358 And how would someone at first glance know explosive material was not contained behind the case lining?

Posted by: Coolio at September 16, 2015 04:04 PM (HuDmg)

If I remember correctly because he pulled out a push-button device wired to his shoes and tried to activate it and it failed to detonate. Passengers wrestled him to the floor and confiscated his shoes and looked in them.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 16, 2015 04:09 PM (t2KH5)

377 That being said, actually arresting the kid was wrong. Having the police investigate the matter and making sure the kid is around to answer questions is understandable, but outright arresting him is not.
Posted by: The Political Hat

If we're getting the full story, then I would agree, but I tend to think any reasonable law enforcement would not have gone to those lengths unless they got the idea that he was purposely trying to garner a certain reaction.

Posted by: Coolio at September 16, 2015 04:09 PM (HuDmg)

378 Obama only celebrates those who further his agenda, like victims or "brave" people who come out of the closet. Not heroes.
Posted by: Lizzy
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Hey! How come he didn't invite that Missouri HS tranny to use the whitehouse ladies' room?!?!?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 16, 2015 04:09 PM (E5UB0)

379 I don't know whether these have a common agenda or what it is, but this
kid's actions seem of a piece with it. I'm not ready to give him a
pass.

And yeah, if he wasn't a muslim kid I wouldn't give it a second thought. So, racist.

Agree 100%.

Posted by: LGoPs at September 16, 2015 04:09 PM (FzE3e)

380

this is not some random kid

this is a kid whose dad pushed him to "debate" preacher Terry Jones

this is another stunt that the police made even better by arresting him

Posted by: ThunderB at September 16, 2015 04:09 PM (zOTsN)

381 I don't want to live in an America where this many people wet their pants about a clock.

"why whine about getting hassled over it?"

Why whine about the TSA? You've never whined about the TSA have you? Oh...

Posted by: Steve at September 16, 2015 04:09 PM (rngc1)

382 By the way: Obama has invited this kid to the White House.

________

Just in time for Haji which starts next week.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 16, 2015 04:10 PM (0LHZx)

383 >>I'm not contradicting the "overreaction" narrative here, but I don't think there's anything obvious about the lack of incendiary devices.

Dude, there were no incendiary devices. It was obvious because it doesn't exist.

Is there anything obvious about a lack of walruses in my tree? I don't see any walruses. But does that mean it's obvious they are not there?

FYI, unless the kid is packing plutonium it's going to take more than a teaspoon to blow the school up. Something the size of an M80 is going to make a boom as big as an M80.

You know those car bombs where they pack an entire van full of ANFO? Yeah, they pack the entire van.

Electronic circuits do not explode. Where the hell is the bomb part of the bomb?

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 04:10 PM (TULs6)

384 Yep. A 15 year old KNEW that he was going to be f*cking arrested for bringing a nerdy tech project to school.

Note: Teenagers are dumb. They are usually not aware of finer points of the law regarding things like bomb threats and such - and those are the ones actually calling in bomb threats.

No. 1 Son is a film student. For an assigment to make a music video (to "Atlantic City" fwiw) he and his classmates had a shooting scene.

They used an Airsoft pistol to look realistic.

An administrator saw this, didn't have her cell phone with her, and ran back to get it to call the cops.

Someone else called the campus police, who confiscated the airsoft gun.

His advisor told me that if his assistant had succeeded in calling the actual police first the entire campus would have been on lockdown and SWAT would have been called in.

I'm a grown-ass adult and I didn't think of that. I gave him the gun to be used as the prop.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 16, 2015 04:10 PM (JtwS4)

385 If we are that fearful of a bomb threat that we stop kids from being inquisitive about electronics, then we might as well give up now. The root problem is a lack of bravery among our general populous. Everyone dies, why have we grown so fearful of it?

Posted by: GarryOwen at September 16, 2015 04:10 PM (PrwA9)

386 365 The shoe bomb had the sole packed with plastic explosive. IOW obvious explosive material.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party
Or even that this was simply "part 2" of the bomb with the explosive material being connected later?
Posted by: Coolio at September 16, 2015 04:06 PM (HuDmg)

The way this went down, I'd have expected to see it on WZ under "feel good work accident of the day".

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 16, 2015 04:10 PM (M+9nV)

387 It is time for me to confess. The truth is, I once designed a fairly sophisticated clock for a well-known corporation. People paid us handsomely for them. Even NOAA bought one.

I'm lucky that I got away without jail time, and that I ever managed to find another job.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 16, 2015 04:10 PM (9mTYi)

388 Ok, so I just watched TV clip on this from today. Kid was NOT charged. No suspension. The school district is on FULL ON PC Panic and kneeling and genuflecting to the muslim community which is inflamed.

Did not know this, but there is a Texas law... you can be arrested for possessing a fake bomb or device made to look like a bomb. THAT is what the kid was arrested under. Law. The cops arrested the kid and released him to his parents and the DA did not charge and the school is desperately trying to placate the DFW muzzies and CAIR and the SCOAMF. figures.

Posted by: Yip at September 16, 2015 04:11 PM (e7T6D)

389 Fuck the kid and Fuck the liberals wienies who Fucked up our Schools. And that is about all the Fuck I have to say

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2015 04:11 PM (DUoqb)

390 Dude, there were no incendiary devices. It was obvious because it doesn't exist.

Is there anything obvious about a lack of walruses in my tree? I don't see any walruses. But does that mean it's obvious they are not there?

FYI, unless the kid is packing plutonium it's going to take more than a teaspoon to blow the school up. Something the size of an M80 is going to make a boom as big as an M80.

You know those car bombs where they pack an entire van full of ANFO? Yeah, they pack the entire van.

Electronic circuits do not explode. Where the hell is the bomb part of the bomb?
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 04:10 PM (TULs6)

How can you tell that walruses are great at hiding in trees?

Posted by: Sambo at September 16, 2015 04:11 PM (9UV3C)

391 "but I tend to think any reasonable law enforcement"

Muslim kid+Texas+bomby thing= no guarantee of reasonableness IMO. Just saying this may be where it fell apart.

Posted by: Steve at September 16, 2015 04:11 PM (rngc1)

392 Enough of calling him a "kid". This is the same bullshit we heard when the "kids" from El Salvador was coming over the border...you know "kids" with gang tattoos on 80% of their body.

Oh you know who else was a "kid" or merely a "teen"? The Gentle Giant of Ferguson.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 16, 2015 04:11 PM (0LHZx)

393 Or even that this was simply "part 2" of the bomb with the explosive material being connected later?

I.e., brought by his cousin in a separate backpack.
(As a possible scenario)

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2015 04:11 PM (cN1tG)

394 he whined because of his father

Posted by: ron at September 16, 2015 04:12 PM (xytVe)

395 It's not that complicated.

Our educrats are idiots.

Posted by: West at September 16, 2015 04:12 PM (1Rgee)

396 The root problem is a lack of bravery among our general populous. Everyone dies, why have we grown so fearful of it?

You first.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 16, 2015 04:12 PM (0dcbp)

397 Zero-tolerance is like getting shot with an arrow. You can remove it one of two ways: whence it went it, or push it all the way through. The latter is preferable.

So, let's go all in on zero tolerance. Teachers and administrators and school-board members have rules, too, right? Zero tolerance! Do teachers still have standards of personal conduct? Was one seen drinking an alcoholic beverage in public? Zero tolerance! Did the coach say a swearsie during the big game?

You get the idea.

Posted by: FireHorse at September 16, 2015 04:12 PM (g5BAD)

398 Electronic circuits do not explode. Where the hell is the bomb part of the bomb?

Maybe in a false bottom?

Posted by: LGoPs at September 16, 2015 04:12 PM (FzE3e)

399 And how would someone at first glance know explosive material was not contained behind the case lining?

Posted by: Coolio at September 16, 2015 04:04 PM (HuDmg)

And who is talking about "at first glance" here?

Seriously, there's a scale between "ignore it, he's just a kid" and "throw him in jail." All along that scale there are an undefined (but large) number of options which would have been infinitely more appropriate than this response.

Off the top of my head: the principle could have confiscated the clock, the principle could have called the cops to examine the device and THEN confiscate the clock, the teacher could have confiscated the clock, the teacher could have told Achmed Jr. "go put it in your locker."

And that's without thinking very hard.

This all hinges on two things being true:
1) The initial suspicion is entirely reasonable.
2) No one examining the device ever believed it was a threatening device.

Obviously, if they had thought it a threatening device, you add more options before arresting the kid - calling the bomb-squad to investigate, for example, rather than "just normal" cops.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 16, 2015 04:12 PM (kff5f)

400 Irving just had the big PR moment where the mayor went on some long speech about how there would never be sharia law there

we need to let it all play out, and the over reaction of the school is stupid, but it was completely predictable

and knowing more and more about the dad, I hate to think its true but it is likely this kid was a pawn in an effort to show the pure islamophobia etc etc

Posted by: chelsea danger at September 16, 2015 04:13 PM (pBUj2)

401 About that Anvil aluminum road case.

There are better housings for a clock. Smaller, lighter, far less expensive.

Something about this isn't right.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 16, 2015 04:13 PM (LUgeY)

402 Did not know this, but there is a Texas law... you
can be arrested for possessing a fake bomb or device made to look like a
bomb. THAT is what the kid was arrested under. Law. The cops arrested
the kid and released him to his parents and the DA did not charge and
the school is desperately trying to placate the DFW muzzies and CAIR and
the SCOAMF. figures.

Posted by: Yip at September 16, 2015 04:11 PM (e7T6D)
The best part is that the school is probably liberal so they're doing some friendly fire upon one another.

Posted by: Draki at September 16, 2015 04:13 PM (sCOy8)

403 ThunderB - So debating a nutjob preacher is now a bad thing? You are assigning motivation to something that isn't there. This is a high school tech geek.

Posted by: GarryOwen at September 16, 2015 04:13 PM (PrwA9)

404 I remember after 911 when they were telling people to report things. 4 muslim med students were driving to FL for some BS and stopped at a diner and thought it wd be cute to pretend they were terrorists to spook the teenage waitress. Well, she called the FBI and the 4 aholes were arrested.

My loonie left friend who is a smart guy but has a bizarre hatred of authority hit the roof. She's a racist, he yelled. Yes, they pretended to be terrorists and she believed them -- racism.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 16, 2015 04:13 PM (iQIUe)

405
Or, is that a construct going on in the mind of the observer?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 16, 2015 04:04 PM (9mTYi)

Once you think it "may" be a bomb - even improbably, you take the route to disprove that it is a bomb for the simple reason that in the future you need to answer the question: "So you never considered it may be a bomb?"

It's basically bureaucratic CYA, and yes, I think the kid did this just to spring that trap on himself.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 16, 2015 04:13 PM (sJuWI)

406 great issue for libs to run with: making it easier for muzlims to bomb schools.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 16, 2015 04:03 PM (ariQ4)

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Exactly. Word to the wise. Never ever trust these people. They want to kill you and your children.

Posted by: Soona at September 16, 2015 04:13 PM (Fmupd)

407 343
Hey "Draki"- CAIR manufacturers this type of shit every day.

You got a point? Make it.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 16, 2015 04:02 PM (rsZG4)

I think the point is obvious. Do not question Mohammedans bring to school hoax bombs, it upsets them.

So tolerance of this goes out and then one day the "hoax bomb" is a real bomb and people die.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 16, 2015 04:14 PM (jJRIy)

408 Allen G,
When I said this would violate zero-tolerance policies, I meant that, IF THE KID MEANT IT TO LOOK LIKE A HOAX BOMB, THAT WOULD VIOLATE ZERO-TOLERANCE POLICIES.

On the other hand, I don't think there is any law that says, building a hoax bomb is against the law. Therefore, assertion I have seen in several articles on this story - that the authorities may charge the kid with building a hoax bomb - is ridiculous.

I think it is also ridiculous that the administrators of this school allowed themselves to be taken in by this ruse.

On the other hand, there may be more to the story than the administrators are willing to say in public.

At this point, we are mainly getting the CAIR side of the story.

The Admin. side of the story is going to be the typical legalese Press Release claptrap.

Posted by: Pastorius at September 16, 2015 04:14 PM (gMAUH)

409 Enough of calling him a "kid". This is the same bullshit we heard when the "kids" from El Salvador was coming over the border...you know "kids" with gang tattoos on 80% of their body.

Oh you know who else was a "kid" or merely a "teen"? The Gentle Giant of Ferguson.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at S

Jesus Fucking Fuck

https://twitter.com/anildash/status/644020453724585984/photo/1

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 16, 2015 04:14 PM (JtwS4)

410 Looking just at the picture, it's not obvious that it's "not a bomb".

That red section looks like it could be covering an explosive charge.

The box itself is nothing like a "pencil case".

The police video says they acted on a "hoax bomb". A "clock" designed to look suspiciously like a bomb would be a "hoax bomb", no matter how much the student protests it's just a clock.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 16, 2015 04:14 PM (0NdlF)

411 And unless it was damaged later, there's no way he could close the lid with that dent on the LH side of the bottom part.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 16, 2015 04:14 PM (LUgeY)

412 Kid making a home-made clock? Great. No problem. But this device was clearly made with the intent to appear like a bomb on a TV show. It's just too obvious that this is taunting, trying to create an incident.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 16, 2015 03:17 PM (/Ho8c)

Agreed. And Pastorius brings some good info, too. This is a staged event, bet on it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 16, 2015 04:15 PM (7MWCL)

413 My loonie left friend who is a smart guy but has a bizarre hatred of authority hit the roof. She's a racist, he yelled. Yes, they pretended to be terrorists and she believed them -- racism.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 16, 2015 04:13 PM (iQIUe)

I hate authority too, but when you poke the bear - the bear notices. This kid poked the bear.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 16, 2015 04:15 PM (sJuWI)

414 Apparently dad is an Imam and involved with CAIR.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 16, 2015 04:00 PM (dFi94)
Oh gee, there's a shocker

Posted by: chemjeff at September 16, 2015 04:15 PM (lVU49)

415 Yes that is a suspicious package and I am glad to see you.

Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at September 16, 2015 04:15 PM (k8tEg)

416 I second this, from the last thread:

516 Ugh... so Obama is apparently inviting a kid who got suspended from school to the white house for some stupid clock thing. I guess it's better if he distracts himself with dumb crap.
Posted by: Freddie Fiorina at September 16, 2015 02:53 PM (sCOy

Posted by: m at September 16, 2015 04:15 PM (ELEPX)

417 >>>And an English teacher should instinctively know this.

No, an english teacher shouldn't. Nor should an english teacher assume any electronics he doesn't understand (which is all of it) is a bomb until the authorities tell him otherwise.

Is he going to go home, open up his computer and call the FBI because he can't tell it's not a bomb?

How do I know there are not wild bears in your house? I am not an animal control expert. Shall I just call the cops and ask them to check because I imagined their might be wild bears in your house?

I understand people don't know what a bomb looks like. If they don't know what a bomb looks like, why do they assume what they're looking at is a bomb?

Is this english teacher going to call in a bomb scare everytime she sees something she doesn't understand just in case?

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 04:15 PM (TULs6)

418 I'll go back to my book and wait for the next thread.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 16, 2015 04:15 PM (t2KH5)

419 Everyone dies, why have we grown so fearful of it?

Posted by: GarryOwen at September 16, 2015 04:10 PM (PrwA9)

===================

I could fly away to heaven tonight and be perfectly okay with that. Heck, I'd be gleeful. I'm an old lady. But not the wee ones. They need protecting. I am fierce when it comes to that. Because that's what grammies do. I don't drive them to school so that they can be blowed up by Imam kids trying to prove a point for CAIR.

Sorry if that makes me whatever. I can live with whatever label that makes me.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 16, 2015 04:15 PM (dFi94)

420 Obama is a racist, anti-white mother fucker and he can't go quickly enough.

Has he invited the French train heroes to the fucking White House yet?

My hatred towards this gay muzzie clusterfuck of a racist cannot get any larger.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 16, 2015 04:16 PM (q5APL)

421 I also seem to have read over at Weasel Z that the parents were "activists"
Hmm

Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at September 16, 2015 04:16 PM (k8tEg)

422 Is he going to go home, open up his computer and call the FBI because he can't tell it's not a bomb?

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 04:15 PM (TULs6)

You didn't actually mean to type that, did you?

*Facepalm*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 16, 2015 04:16 PM (8ZskC)

423 irving mayor on shariah
http://tinyurl.com/ofllza4

Posted by: chelsea danger at September 16, 2015 04:16 PM (pBUj2)

424 Tom Brady is a Trump supporter

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2015 04:17 PM (DUoqb)

425 So tolerance of this goes out and then one day the "hoax bomb" is a real bomb and people die.

Thing is that they don't need to do this. Just continue create news of poor Muslims "oppressed" in America, while they murder people the world over.

This is suppressive psy-ops to avoid us being effective allies to non-Muslim countries overseas, rather than to actually threaten us.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 16, 2015 04:17 PM (0NdlF)

426 Obviously there was an overreaction, no where on the "clock" did it say bomb.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 16, 2015 04:17 PM (TJCSB)

427 Is this english teacher going to call in a bomb scare everytime she sees something she doesn't understand just in case?

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 04:15 PM (TULs6)

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I could live with that.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 16, 2015 04:17 PM (dFi94)

428 Honestly the kid is not in jail. So you can't borrow that as what would have happened to you.

Posted by: Fatman at September 16, 2015 04:17 PM (mcm0N)

429 thunderB got it in one.

Prepare for mass import of Syrian refugees, you racists.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 16, 2015 04:17 PM (0dcbp)

430
Allen

1. this is not just some random kid, he and daddy are activists

2. ISIS does recruit kids his age

3. A 15 year old NJ boy was just arrested for a plot to kill the pope

4. Irving is not that far from Garland, where ISIS did attack

5. kid set the alarm

6. kid did not follow teachers instructions to put it away

7. dry runs do occur

Posted by: ThunderB at September 16, 2015 04:17 PM (zOTsN)

431 Monsieur Mew Mew - Take a look at the pics, it is a geek kid. If you are frightened of him, watch out for old ladies and chihuahuas.

Mortimer - I have volunteered for combat arms 4 times. So yes, me first.

Posted by: GarryOwen at September 16, 2015 04:17 PM (PrwA9)

432
https://twitter.com/anildash/status/644020453724585984/photo/1

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 16, 2015 04:14 PM (JtwS4)

I was right! NASA's muslim outreach program is working!! *facepalm*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 16, 2015 04:18 PM (FsuaD)

433 Everyone dies, why have we grown so fearful of it?

Posted by: GarryOwen at September 16, 2015 04:10 PM (PrwA9)

I'm not real keen on being rushed to the cemetery on some other dude's schedule.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 16, 2015 04:18 PM (hLRSq)

434 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at September 16, 2015 04:18 PM (GwIKd)

435 >>> Electronic circuits do not explode. Where the hell is the bomb part of the bomb?

Doesn't fkn matter. If a kid can get expelled for pop tart guns or kissing another kid on the playground, then fk this particular special snowflake too. He's not gonna be the more-equal animal on *this* farm, no siree.

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Traveler's Cheques at September 16, 2015 04:18 PM (3ZtZW)

436 Apparently dad is an Imam and involved with CAIR.
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That certainly would tip the scale a bit towards 'deliberate provocative'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 16, 2015 04:19 PM (9mTYi)

437 The day that Americans have to be suspicious that any random Muslim-looking person is likely to be a sudden jihadist, is the day when Americans show just how much we "Go Big or Go Home".

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 16, 2015 04:19 PM (0NdlF)

438

8. ISIS has used kids as bomb mules

Posted by: ThunderB at September 16, 2015 04:19 PM (zOTsN)

439 I was right! NASA's muslim outreach program is working!! *facepalm*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at

LOL

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 16, 2015 04:19 PM (JtwS4)

440 I 'm on Team ThunderB

Posted by: Yo! at September 16, 2015 04:20 PM (GwIKd)

441 Newd.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 16, 2015 04:20 PM (LUgeY)

442

younger Tsarnaev was a geeky kid too

Posted by: ThunderB at September 16, 2015 04:20 PM (zOTsN)

443 I'm not real keen on being rushed to the cemetery on some other dude's schedule.

That made me laugh, but it was a good point.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 16, 2015 04:20 PM (dKQ1C)

444 So, the school may have made a mistake. So what? Oh, it involves a muzzie darling poor dear! He's lucky a crane didnt topple over and crush him - then he wd have something to whine about!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 16, 2015 04:20 PM (iQIUe)

445 I assume this vicious teen is automatically disqualified from entering the local HS Science fair.

Especially given the provocative "NASA" T-Shirt.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 16, 2015 04:20 PM (M+9nV)

446 8. ISIS has used kids as bomb mules

Posted by: ThunderB at September 16, 2015 04:19 PM (zOTsN)

9. ISIS has used mules as bomb mules

Posted by: Draki at September 16, 2015 04:20 PM (sCOy8)

447 Daily News columnist Mike Lupica out as Zuckerman swings ax

Good. Couldn't happen to a prickier liberal prick

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2015 04:21 PM (DUoqb)

448 For all the "this is not a pencil case" types, go to walmart and look at the school supplies section, you will see the exact same case. I recognized it from my raids at the start of the school year.

Posted by: GarryOwen at September 16, 2015 04:21 PM (PrwA9)

449 I'm sure no expert but it looks suspicious to me. And, gulp, the kid is a Muslim. And radicals have been known to use kids to hide bombs to be set off and kill the kid. And I did not see how old he was, but seemingly old enough to realize it might look suspicious.

So I get treating it seriously, but sounds like they went way overboard, way past the point of common sense, which seems to be missing a lot these days.

And I am so, so sick of Obama mining everything for political advantage for his pet causes. While lecturing and posturing about how "We (read YOU) must do better", he incessantly (and knowingly) ratchets up the tension between the two sides of a divided America. Awful. Beyond shame.

Posted by: RM at September 16, 2015 04:21 PM (Sj3r3)

450 And who is talking about "at first glance" here?

Seriously, there's a scale between "ignore it, he's just a kid" and "throw him in jail." All along that scale there are an undefined (but large) number of options which would have been infinitely more appropriate than this response.

Off the top of my head: the principle could have confiscated the clock, the principle could have called the cops to examine the device and THEN confiscate the clock, the teacher could have confiscated the clock, the teacher could have told Achmed Jr. "go put it in your locker."

And that's without thinking very hard.

This all hinges on two things being true:
1) The initial suspicion is entirely reasonable.
2) No one examining the device ever believed it was a threatening device.

Obviously, if they had thought it a threatening device, you add more options before arresting the kid - calling the bomb-squad to investigate, for example, rather than "just normal" cops.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther)

You're coming at this as if teachers and administrators are bomb experts that have handled them up close. this easily could have been a detonator to another backpack that had an explosive in it.

They reported something suspicious to law enforcement regarding possible terrorism (as we've been told to do "see something, say something") and LE took it from there. I've heard contradictions that the kid was actually arrested and charges filed, but my guess is if something involving bombs and terrorism are questionably involved, there's probably formal procedures that go beyond just cutting someone loose without dotting all the i's.

Look, if you want to buy into this White House narrative that it's over the top racism to blame, go ahead, but this reeks of agitprop to me.

Posted by: Coolio at September 16, 2015 04:21 PM (HuDmg)

451 >>> Electronic circuits do not explode. Where the hell is the bomb part of the bomb?

Since when do schoolteachers get ordnance training?

Why do you expect them to be able to correctly identify what is *not* a bomb?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 16, 2015 04:21 PM (0NdlF)

452 ISIS has used mules as bomb mules
Posted by: Draki at September 16, 2015 04:20 PM (sCOy

ISIS has used mules for other things also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2015 04:22 PM (DUoqb)

453 On the other hand, I don't think there is any law that says, building a hoax bomb is against the law.

Section 46.08 Texas Penal Code.
46.08
(a) (1) & (2)

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2015 04:22 PM (cN1tG)

454 I'm not real keen on being rushed to the cemetery on some other dude's schedule.
Posted by: Mikey
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I have issued explicit instructions that my remains be driven slowly. My last gesture of contempt for the general public.

If any of you get held up, just think of the 52% that are incovenienced Obama voters.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 16, 2015 04:22 PM (9mTYi)

455 And an English teacher should instinctively know this.
I am not willing to wager the life of my first grade 6 year old granddaughter's life on that kind of instinct which you appear to believe should be universally recognized.

Literally. No one. Is. Saying. This.

No. One.

Everyone agrees the initial suspicion and investigation were completely merited. Everyone agrees that we'd rather the teacher err on the side of caution with regards to the device. No one is disputing this.

The problem is *not* the suspicion and investigation. The problem is that the investigation concluded "not a threat" and the kid was handcuffed and arrested anyway.

For the record: my cousin's kid did a project (in Minecraft - I did not realize this was a thing) for 9/11 wherein he recreated the Mohammedan terrorists flying the planes into the WTC.

In his airplanes, he added creepers (some zombie-like thing? I'm not familiar) to represent the terrorists. His teacher flipped out at him (he's 13, I think) "playing games." After she knew about and approved the project.

Is that reasonable? I mean, he was using minecraft, which is a game, and he might have just been seeing how far he could push game playing, right?

No, it's not reasonable because it had already been determined that was not what he was doing.

Similarly here: this kid - whatever his father's sins may be - took a clock to school. He showed it to one teacher who said, "Cool. Now put that thing away." It "went off" (I'll even grant the suspicions that it did not "just" go off, but rather was set off either on accident by him plugging it in when he shouldn't, or because he had set the alarm) in another class. When that occurred, the teacher rightly was concerned about the device and initiated the steps to investigate.

So far, we're good.

But then everyone involved said, "Yep, that's a clock. Nope, it's not a bomb." And the cops put him in handcuffs anyway.

If you can't see the insanity there, I'm not sure I have anything to say that can convince you.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 16, 2015 04:22 PM (kff5f)

456

I'm not real keen on being rushed to the cemetery on some other dude's schedule.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 16, 2015 04:18 PM (hLRSq)

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You have no idea what the military does, do you?

Posted by: Soona at September 16, 2015 04:22 PM (Fmupd)

457 >>398 Electronic circuits do not explode. Where the hell is the bomb part of the bomb? Maybe in a false bottom?

What do you mean "maybe in a false bottom"? What false bottom? Did the thing have a false bottom? Was it shallower inside than it was on the outside?

I just don't understand where people can pull imaginary false bottoms out of their imaginations and act like this justifies anything.

If the thing has a false bottom you look in the bottom.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 04:23 PM (TULs6)

458 Not Mitt Romney, #417:

"Is [the English teacher] going to go home, open up his computer and call the FBI because he can't tell it's not a bomb?"

No. He should go home, open up the computer, then turn it on, the way airport security used to insist we all do.

Posted by: JPS at September 16, 2015 04:23 PM (LZwBP)

459 Posted by: GarryOwen at September 16, 2015 04:17 PM (PrwA9)

Dzokhar Tsarnaev didn't look like much of a tough guy.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 16, 2015 04:23 PM (hLRSq)

460 I wouldn't expect an English teacher to know what a bomb was supposed to look like. I think it's good to be cautious. Schools are not protected environments. If I got to my son's school after school has begun hours I have to show my ID and be buzzed in. However, some kid could just walk in with a backpack during the morning rush and nobody would know if he had a bomb or a clock.

Should he have been arrested and handcuffed-no, but there's more than meets the eye here.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 16, 2015 04:24 PM (dKQ1C)

461 I was hoping for a 72 hours wait before things are declared true, not a pause in new threads.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 16, 2015 04:24 PM (JmGFJ)

462 I was blowing shit up when I was in 7th grade.
If the thing could ring an alarm, it could spark a cap with a capacitor and a transistor.
Easy.

Posted by: Roland THTG at September 16, 2015 04:24 PM (QM5S2)

463 Well okay, thanks for that then kid, but this does indicate the kid knew that this thing could well be viewed as "a threat;" so why bring it to school, and why whine about getting hassled over it?

Simple. He's fourteen.

Posted by: Ravenloff at September 16, 2015 04:24 PM (AdBfq)

464 ISIS has used mules for other things also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2015 04:22 PM (DUoqb)

When the chai boy isn't around, what's a man to do....

Posted by: Draki at September 16, 2015 04:24 PM (sCOy8)

465 We're told "see something, say something".

We see something, say something and afterwards we're called racists.

Makes sense.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 16, 2015 04:24 PM (0LHZx)

466 448 For all the "this is not a pencil case" types, go to walmart and look at the school supplies section, you will see the exact same case. I recognized it from my raids at the start of the school year.

Ah. Thanks.

Pic:

http://phumbling.blogspot.com/2011/08/damn-po-box-elf.html

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 16, 2015 04:25 PM (0NdlF)

467

allne they arrested him for a hoax bomb

which is illegal

and I understand the public policy reason why hoax bombs are illegal

I think he meant it to be a hoax bomb, thats why he set the alarm in English

he wanted the attention

he got it

Posted by: ThunderB at September 16, 2015 04:25 PM (zOTsN)

468 Mikey NTH - Looked tougher than this kid by far.

Posted by: GarryOwen at September 16, 2015 04:26 PM (PrwA9)

469 431 Monsieur Mew Mew - Take a look at the pics, it is a geek kid. If you are frightened of him, watch out for old ladies and chihuahuas.

Mortimer - I have volunteered for combat arms 4 times. So yes, me first.
Posted by: GarryOwen at September 16, 2015 04:17 PM (PrwA9)

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I didn't say I'm afraid of him. I said it's stupid to assume that because someone is a "kid" he's incapable of hurting people. You don't need to be 6'5" to be able to make a bomb.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 16, 2015 04:26 PM (0LHZx)

470 Lizzy's first comment stole my thunder!!!

No invite for a LITTLE KID with a POP TART who is suspended.

But for what looks like some sketchy shit, holy fuck, outrage time. White House invite time!!

Posted by: prescient11 at September 16, 2015 04:27 PM (q5APL)

471 Hello? First?!?

Obama is a SCFOMHB?

Posted by: Pastorius at September 16, 2015 04:27 PM (gMAUH)

472 Oh, I guess I'm back.

Posted by: Pastorius at September 16, 2015 04:27 PM (gMAUH)

473 I was blowing shit up when I was in 7th grade.
If the thing could ring an alarm, it could spark a cap with a capacitor and a transistor.
Easy.
Posted by: Roland
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By the time we were 11 or so, homebrew explosives were the order of the day. Toy soldiers suffered mightily.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 16, 2015 04:27 PM (9mTYi)

474 Mikey NTH - Looked tougher than this kid by far.

Posted by: GarryOwen at September 16, 2015 04:26 PM (PrwA9)

Don't need to be very tough to kill and maim. Explosives are a great leveler.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 16, 2015 04:28 PM (hLRSq)

475 HERE we see that the police said the kid would not give them a straight answer:

http://tinyurl.com/npk6gj4

Posted by: Pastorius at September 16, 2015 04:28 PM (gMAUH)

476 But for what looks like some sketchy shit, holy fuck, outrage time. White House invite time!!

Poor oppressed little Muslim. Look how MEAN those backwards racist Americans are to your Religion of "Peace".

How dare they associate it with random violence.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 16, 2015 04:28 PM (0NdlF)

477 Has he invited the French train heroes to the fucking White House yet?

My hatred towards this gay muzzie clusterfuck of a racist cannot get any larger.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 16, 2015 04:16 PM (q5APL)

Something we can agree on! Yeah!

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 16, 2015 04:28 PM (jJRIy)

478 Ahmed's like, *Crap. Quiz today on The Red Badge of Courage in English class today. I'm so far behind on that assignment. I hate Civil War stuff. Crap! It's the War of Northern Aggression. You're in Texas, Ahmed. If you said that out loud - whoa. Maybe someone will see my science project and call in a bomb threat. Better set the timer, just in case no one notices it. Look at me. Look at my name. No one's calling a bomb threat. They're so busy walking on eggshells around me. Like I had anything to do with 9/11 when I was two weeks old. Ooh, there's Becky. I'd sure like to tap that ass - whatever that means.*

"Hey, Becky."

*Real smooth, Ahmed. Stupid, stupid! She's a junior, and way out of my league. Definitely gonna build a tap for my next science project, though.*

Posted by: FireHorse at September 16, 2015 04:28 PM (/Tq4d)

479 What's the religion of the electronics shop teacher?

Probably a nothingburger, but I'd like to know.

Posted by: Soona at September 16, 2015 04:29 PM (Fmupd)

480 Still missing the link between the teacher saying that it looks like a bomb and the kd going in handcuffs.

Something else happened.

Something no one is telling.

Posted by: blaster at September 16, 2015 04:29 PM (2Ocf1)

481 The U.S. should accept at least 65,000 Syrian refugees by the end of 2016, acceding to Democratic presidential candidate Martin O Malley. The former Maryland governor says President Obamas move to accept 10,000 Syrian refugees next year is no more than a token increase.

Each one of these demo-commies is crazier then the next one

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2015 04:29 PM (DUoqb)

482 >>>166 I once built an ashtray out of an empty beer bottle
Posted by: GT 5.0 at September 16, 2015 03:34 PM (MzrcS)

Nice.

Posted by: m at September 16, 2015 04:30 PM (ELEPX)

483 What do you mean "maybe in a false bottom"? What false bottom? Did the thing have a false bottom? Was it shallower inside than it was on the outside?

I just don't understand where people can pull imaginary false bottoms out of their imaginations and act like this justifies anything.

If the thing has a false bottom you look in the bottom.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney

But then how do you know this part is not the detonator and the explosive material is somewhere else?

I had a good friend who was a Marine in Afghanistan and he said the way they would do the roadside bombs is a person would each have a component and then build the bomb on site. that way they had plausible deniability carrying around the materials. "You can't arrest me for having a garage door opener?" etc

Posted by: Coolio at September 16, 2015 04:31 PM (HuDmg)

484 My hatred towards this gay muzzie clusterfuck of a racist cannot get any larger.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 16, 2015 04:16 PM (q5APL)

Something we can agree on! Yeah!

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 16, 2015 04:28 PM (jJRIy)

And they say Obama's not a uniter...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 16, 2015 04:31 PM (9krrF)

485 "According to Irving police, Ahmed's case contained a digital clock that the student had taken apart and rearranged. "

"Police said the student had the briefcase in his English class, where he plugged it into an electrical outlet and it started to make noise."

"Officers said Ahmed was being "passive aggressive" in his answers to their questions, and didn't have a "reasonable answer" as to what he was doing with the case. Investigators said the student told them that it was just a clock that he was messing around with."

""We attempted to question the juvenile about what it was and he would simply only say it was a clock. He didn't offer any explanation as to what it was for, why he created this device, why he brought it to school," said James McLellan, Irving Police."

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 16, 2015 04:31 PM (0NdlF)

486
Taken to its logical conclusion, one result of this little escapade is that English teachers across the nation will think twice before calling attention to anything that looks like a bomb, when in the hands of a muslim student.

Think about it.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 16, 2015 04:31 PM (dFi94)

487 Still missing the link between the teacher saying that it looks like a bomb and the kd going in handcuffs.

Something else happened.

Section 46.08 of the Texas Penal Code happened.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2015 04:31 PM (cN1tG)

488 I once built an ashtray out of an empty beer bottle
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Okay, "ashtray' is a trigger word.
Expect Dept. of Child Services, and no-knock warrant.

Posted by: Bob, at NSA at September 16, 2015 04:31 PM (9mTYi)

489 Side bet: The America Hater In Chief calls this one off after the focus groups come back and say that most people still think that this kid was out of line and probably agitating.

Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at September 16, 2015 04:32 PM (k8tEg)

490 ccording to Irving police, Ahmed's case contained a digital clock that the student had taken apart and rearranged. Police said the student had the briefcase in his English class, where he plugged it into an electrical outlet and it started to make noise.

And there we go. I said that this is what happened.

Not being told: why did he plug it in while in English class? I am sure he was just showing a friend. But I am pretty sure that he should have been doing something else in class. Like listening to the teacher, or reading something.

Posted by: blaster at September 16, 2015 04:33 PM (2Ocf1)

491 If the thing has a false bottom you look in the bottom.
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This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at September 16, 2015 04:33 PM (9mTYi)

492 BURN THIS FUCKER DOWN!!!!

I see only two fighters worth a fuck frankly and you know who they are.

ENOUGH OF THIS SHIT!!!!

Posted by: prescient11 at September 16, 2015 04:34 PM (q5APL)

493 "According to Irving police, Ahmed's case contained a digital clock that the student had taken apart and rearranged. "

"Police said the student had the briefcase in his English class, where he plugged it into an electrical outlet and it started to make noise."

"Officers said Ahmed was being "passive aggressive" in his answers to their questions, and didn't have a "reasonable answer" as to what he was doing with the case. Investigators said the student told them that it was just a clock that he was messing around with."

""We attempted to question the juvenile about what it was and he would simply only say it was a clock. He didn't offer any explanation as to what it was for, why he created this device, why he brought it to school," said James McLellan, Irving Police."
Posted by: ConservativeMonster

Bingo

He wanted to this theater, and here we have all sorts of conservatives even joining in that these cops were a bunch of racists

Posted by: Coolio at September 16, 2015 04:34 PM (HuDmg)

494 >>>But then how do you know this part is not the detonator and the explosive material is somewhere else?

How do I know you're not training attack bears in your attic? Which side is the burden on? Do we play it safe and assume your attic is full of bears?

Is there any evidence for any of that, any burden of evidence? Or do we just see wires and assume "bomb"?

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 04:34 PM (TULs6)

495 Also at the link - a picture of what looks like maybe a Raspberry Pi board that was also there - it was not JUST the clock in the case.

Posted by: blaster at September 16, 2015 04:36 PM (2Ocf1)

496 The burden of proof is apparently on proving everything is not a bomb.

Prove to me this pencil is not a bomb.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 04:37 PM (TULs6)

497 How do I know you're not training attack bears in your attic? Which side is the burden on? Do we play it safe and assume your attic is full of bears?

Is there any evidence for any of that, any burden of evidence? Or do we just see wires and assume "bomb"?
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney

Right, because a kid plugging in a suitcase in the middle of class and then giving evasive answers about why he was doing it to police is just so totally normal and doesn't merit any further investigation.

This kid wanted people to think he had a bomb, the problem is police don't have the luxury of dismissing pranksters and political activists because people could die

Posted by: Coolio at September 16, 2015 04:39 PM (HuDmg)

498 Since the digital circuitry is probably DC, that big red thing up top in the picture is probably the AC transformer.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 16, 2015 04:39 PM (0NdlF)

499 How do I know you're not training attack bears in your attic? Which side is the burden on? Do we play it safe and assume your attic is full of bears?

Is there any evidence for any of that, any burden of evidence? Or do we just see wires and assume "bomb"?
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 04:34 PM (TULs6)

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First question one should ask: Is he a muslim? Then go from there.

Posted by: Soona at September 16, 2015 04:40 PM (Fmupd)

500 Is there any evidence for any of that, any burden of evidence? Or do we just see wires and assume "bomb"?

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney

I don't know. Do we see a grade school kid eating a Pop Tart or a mass murderer on the verge of rampaging?

Apparently, in today's world, we see the latter, because there is at least anecdotal evidence that similar offenses are harshly dealt with. The only reason this is a Huge Hairy Deal on the national scene is the kid is brown and has a Middle Eastern name. That coupled with other data suggests this is a setup to create a media firestorm.

Sure, he's a dorky-looking, harmless kid. Six-year olds with Pop-tarts are pretty harmless-looking, too.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 16, 2015 04:40 PM (/Ho8c)

501 Since the digital circuitry is probably DC, that big red thing up top in the picture is probably the AC transformer.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster
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Uh, no. You can see the transformer lying loose in the case.

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at September 16, 2015 04:42 PM (9mTYi)

502 The big red thing is the display.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 16, 2015 04:42 PM (/Ho8c)

503 I don't know where you think I'm pro pop-tart suspension. It seems to me of a piece - ninnies freaking out over nothing. Teachers are not trained in firearms so how do they know the poptart is not a real gun? What it if was a gun disguised by terrorists to look like a pop tart? What if the pop tart was poisoned with anthrax and he planned to put it in the HVAC system?

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 04:43 PM (TULs6)

504 486
Taken to its logical conclusion, one result of this little escapade is that English teachers across the nation will think twice before calling attention to anything that looks like a bomb, when in the hands of a muslim student.

Think about it.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 16, 2015 04:31 PM (dFi94)

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Yep. Just like cops are now scared shitless to pursue black criminals.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 16, 2015 04:43 PM (0LHZx)

505 You need some type of explosive or incendiary wired in to call something a bomb. That was obviously absent, as was any wireless capability.

FAIL.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 16, 2015 03:52 PM (M+9nV)

Going from the photo, there could easily have been a quarter-pound of Semtex pressed into a sheet behind the display board. Or the very lining of the case could have been thin sheets of plastic explosive. That's why the term "plastic" explosive; it's stuff that can be molded to any desired shape, like modeling clay.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 16, 2015 04:44 PM (7MWCL)

506 Since over 500 comments and all, not too much off topic, I pray. But, what kind of moron pays $275 yankee dollars for a like-new Mosin-Nagant M44?

Posted by: Eromero at September 16, 2015 04:45 PM (go5uR)

507 Maybe someone mentioned this earlier in the thread and I missed it. But on Twitter people are saying this looks like this may have been a set up. The kid's dad is a big Muslim activist who likes agitate in the media against supposed cases of "Islamaphobia" It's on Twittter--So FWIW.

Posted by: Bob at September 16, 2015 04:45 PM (05RBH)

508 Remember how bad a Lite-Brite viral ad fucked up Boston?

If I was a terrorist I don't even think I'd bother with bombs I'd just go around putting Lite-Brites with batteries in trash cans and watching the Great Satan burn itself down in hysterical panic.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 04:45 PM (TULs6)

509 **BECAUSE** this is a nerdy 14 year old "kid" it makes even less sense that he was complete oblivious to the fact that reasonable people would look at that and think holy fuck a bomb.

He's 14 years, not 4 years old. He totally knew what he was doing. It's not a coincidence that this happened a few days after 9/11.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 16, 2015 04:47 PM (0LHZx)

510 OK here are the major problems with this story:

1) Most important, he was arrested because he was not forthcoming. We cannot see the interview because the boy's parents have not agreed to release it.

2) Next most important: he did NOT build a clock. He disassembled a store-bought clock and mounted it in a briefcase. Why would anyone do that? Well, it's a nice way to make a bomb, or a hoax bomb with big LED numbers. Or maybe he was trying to corner the burgeoning market in briefcase clocks? Ha.

3) Too convenient: dad is a high-profile Islamic apologist (debated the Koran burner). Sisters are openly high-fiving over the media frenzy. CAIR is all over this. These are not people trying to quietly live their lives.

This sounds way too much like either a semi-deliberate publicity stunt, or at worst a justified detention based on the suspicion of a hoax bomb. Remember, kids get in more trouble than this for fake guns or even just pointing and saying BANG!

Posted by: TallDave at September 16, 2015 04:52 PM (74ZYB)

511 >>reasonable people would look at that and think holy fuck a bomb.

Reasonable people don't seem as reasonable as they seem to think they are.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 04:54 PM (TULs6)

512 If I was a terrorist I don't even think I'd bother with bombs I'd just go around putting Lite-Brites with batteries in trash cans and watching the Great Satan burn itself down in hysterical panic.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 16, 2015 04:45 PM (TULs6)

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So we should just laugh these things off. I'm sure that's what they're hoping for as they drop real bombs into random trash cans.

I'm all for action on the side of caution (which is not hysterical). The threat is real. Get a clue.

Posted by: Soona at September 16, 2015 04:54 PM (Fmupd)

513 Also, for all the people saying "NO EXPLOSIVE!!" -- the same is true of an unloaded gun.

Now bring THAT to school and see if you're ever allowed anywhere near the school.

Posted by: TallDave at September 16, 2015 04:54 PM (74ZYB)

514 Did the kid's clock-thing do a "24" noise?

Beep ...

BEEP ...

Beep ...

BEEP ...

Posted by: FireHorse at September 16, 2015 04:56 PM (+3oN1)

515 Because he obviously had telegraphed the message that he wanted to bomb someone, right? Because he intimated that it might BE a bomb, right?

Or, is that a construct going on in the mind of the observer?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 16, 2015 04:04 PM (9mTYi)

The question arises: is it or is it not a hoax, if the bait presented simply leads the fish to jump to an obvious, albeit "wrong" conclusion?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 16, 2015 04:57 PM (7MWCL)

516 Response to Ace's followup question:

"ThunderB wants to know, obviously, why the timer beeped off in English class. I can think of innocent reasons for this (because he set the timer the day before when he built the thing, and didn't change it, etc.), but yeah, it's a good question as to why this thing beeped and thus drew attention to itself. Had the thing not beeped, none of this would have unfolded."

Worse, the device was wall-powered. For a basic clock circuit design, being unpowered will clear the alarm time memory. Just like your alarm clock will lose the time if you don't have a working 9V in it when the AC power is out.

So either he plugs in the device to the wall in English class and programs it to ring ... or his device is battery powered and doesn't need the wall outlet. And if battery powered ... why plug in to the wall at all?

No, this is premeditated disruption.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 16, 2015 04:57 PM (0NdlF)

517 1: Dad's in CAIR

2: Kid "invented" clock by taking one apart.

3: Kid was evasive to cops. Gets Arrested

4: PROFIT!! (PBUH)

heh

Posted by: JarvisW at September 16, 2015 04:59 PM (3+E+K)

518 The problem is that the investigation concluded "not a threat" and the kid was handcuffed and arrested anyway.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 16, 2015 04:22 PM (kff5f)
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A lot of people seem confused about what he was arrested for. he was not arrested for suspicion of having a bomb, he was arrested for suspicion of having a HOAX bomb.

Because he wasn't forthcoming. With the police.

BTW the "hoax bomb arrest" thing is actually pretty common -- you can find dozens of these stories in most major cities.

Posted by: TallDave at September 16, 2015 05:00 PM (74ZYB)

519 Uh, no. You can see the transformer lying loose in the case.

Whoops, never mind.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 16, 2015 05:01 PM (0NdlF)

520 The diversity game can only lost. There are never points for tolerance, but you lose points for intolerance. When whites play Diversity, they only lose. Trump knows this. That's why he doesn't play that game.

Posted by: bjk at September 16, 2015 05:01 PM (InlTW)

521 Posted by: JarvisW at September 16, 2015 04:59 PM (3+E+K)

Comedy gold.

Posted by: TallDave at September 16, 2015 05:02 PM (74ZYB)

522 WTF??? I could tell at a glance that this device is harmless. Looks like he took the guts out of an ordinary alarm clock and mounted them in a small case. Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of electronics could tell that this is not a bomb. Also, where is the explosive charge?

Posted by: Scont at September 16, 2015 05:03 PM (AGtIR)

523 So we should just laugh these things off. I'm sure that's what they're hoping for as they drop real bombs into random trash cans.

I don't think that's the current plan. They're not at the point where they want to wage jihad in the US ... yet.

But there'll be plenty of provocations ... "We're only innocently acting suspicious! How dare you be vigilant against Muslims!"

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 16, 2015 05:04 PM (0NdlF)

524 charged with "hoax bomb" not actual bomb

to disrupt class

and claim islmaphobia

Posted by: ThunderB at September 16, 2015 05:04 PM (zOTsN)

525 Posted by: Scont at September 16, 2015 05:03 PM (AGtIR)

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Ever heard of a rehearsal run or better yet, prepping the battlefield?

Posted by: Soona at September 16, 2015 05:06 PM (Fmupd)

526 I could tell at a glance that this device is harmless. Looks like he took the guts out of an ordinary alarm clock and mounted them in a small case. Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of electronics could tell that this is not a bomb.

At a glance? And how do you know that? How can you tell that whatever's behind the specially marked red section is harmless?

Since when does "rudimentary knowledge of electronics" make anyone a IED expert?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 16, 2015 05:06 PM (0NdlF)

527 And now Ahmed's like, *Arrested, with cuffs and fingerprints. How cool is that? Becky'll notice me now. She likes the bad boys, like that X4-wannabe Jorge. What a loser. You know what? The hell with Becky. I'm going to the White House. I wonder if Marlee Matlin still works there. She must. Dad's always watching that show, taking notes, making diagrams, barely notices when Marlee comes on. Better ditch the NASA shirt; too Walter O'Brien. I'll get some L.A. Raiders gear like those rappers in that movie. Yeah, Marlee'll dig that.*

Posted by: FireHorse at September 16, 2015 05:07 PM (+3oN1)

528 WTF??? I could tell at a glance that this device is harmless. Also, where is the explosive charge?

======================

As pointed out above, so is an unloaded gun harmless. Where is the bullet? Allowed in school? Not even allowed in your car parked OUTSIDE of school.

And when this boy goes to the White House at the invitation of the President, will the Secret Service allow his Imam activist father to carry in a similar-looking device?

Will the TSA allow a similar-looking device on the flight to Washington DC?

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 16, 2015 05:09 PM (dFi94)

529 If someone other than a person who's squishy and easily malleable to the cause of islam is elected president, these "innocent" little events will become suddenly deadly. This is my fear.

Posted by: Soona at September 16, 2015 05:12 PM (Fmupd)

530 The Monday after September 11?

Coincidence?

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at September 16, 2015 05:12 PM (tunTN)

531 On the other hand, I don't think there is any law that says, building a hoax bomb is against the law.

Section 46.08 Texas Penal Code.
46.08
(a) (1) & (2)

Intent is a required element of that crime. I haven't heard any evidence of the kid's intent to make people believe it was a bomb. http://goo.gl/jJ6ByW

His real crime was being smarter than the teachers, administrators, and cops, who all got their explosives identification education by watching reruns of 24, and their education in digital electronics from nowhere.

Posted by: Samuel Johnson at September 16, 2015 05:19 PM (XGARB)

532 RE; 526, I know because I used to work repairing consumer electronics for 25 years. That "specially marked red section" is the digital led display. From what I can see in the picture, the kid did not build or engineer anything. He simply took the guts out of an existing alarm clock and mounted them in a case. The small square in the foreground is the AC power transformer. The long black circuit board has the control buttons and the green circuit board has the clock I.C. and LED driver as well as the driver for the buzzer (the small circular object with the green and brown wires to the lower right of the control button pc board). It even still has the 9V battery connector for backup voltage.

Posted by: Scont at September 16, 2015 05:19 PM (AGtIR)

533 The Monday after September 11? Coincidence?

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at 5:12
________

So, September 14 then? The anniversary of President McKinley's death. How did McKinley die, anyway?

And this kid's from Irving - might as well say Dallas. What ever happened in Dallas?

Hmmm......

Posted by: FireHorse at September 16, 2015 05:19 PM (+3oN1)

534 Because CAIR is involved...

Posted by: TT at September 16, 2015 05:21 PM (aHUpC)

535 Austen, the i ching of human nature, IDd the faults of reliance on"great sensibility" even that possessed by a chief protagonist who is a good and clever person - the younger sister Marrianne is described as
"neither reasonable nor candid. She expected from other people the
same opinions and feelings as her own, and she judged of their motives
by the immediate effect of their actions on herself."

Posted by: SarahW at September 16, 2015 05:27 PM (3fTXW)

536 So, September 14 then? The anniversary of President McKinley's death. How did McKinley die, anyway?

And this kid's from Irving - might as well say Dallas. What ever happened in Dallas?

So, that's a "yes" vote to "coincidence".

Muslim student. First school day after September 11. I'm sure the teacher was thinking "McKinley!"

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at September 16, 2015 05:27 PM (tunTN)

537 And there is a huge difference between a gun (even if unloaded) and an alarm clock sans OEM case. One is designed to cause destructive harm. The other must be modified to do so. This one was clearly not modified other than being removed from its original case. If this boy was Catholic, instead of Muslim, would there be this much fuss? I have absolutely no love for Muslims or the death and destruction many of them cause. I just think this whole thing is an overreaction.

Posted by: Scont at September 16, 2015 05:28 PM (AGtIR)

538 Please don't discriminate. Don't discriminate about what you eat (poison/food, what's the diff). Don't discriminate about about how you drive a car (forward/backward/sideways/into your house/into other cars, whatever). If you are completely non-discriminatory you can solve a big problem for those of us who can discriminate (i.e., you will not be around long).

Posted by: Ceteris Paribus at September 16, 2015 05:30 PM (lQqJB)

539 Question for Obama:

Would I be able to bring that device into the White House on a tour?

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at September 16, 2015 05:31 PM (1BQGO)

540 537 And there is a huge difference between a gun (even if unloaded) and an alarm clock sans OEM case.
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A toy gun is not a threat.

If he was Catholic he'd have been charged.

Posted by: TallDave at September 16, 2015 05:31 PM (74ZYB)

541 Also, there's this much fuss because

MEDIA: OMG WE FINALLY FOUND THE 9/11 BACKLASH!!!

Posted by: TallDave at September 16, 2015 05:34 PM (74ZYB)

542 Yes, a toy gun is not a threat and in a sane world should not be treated as such. I am just sick and tired of the pants-shitting hysteria on the the part of teachers and administrators (and even the police) every time some kid has a toy or tool that could even remotely be misconstrued as a weapon. If these people aren't capable of discerning the difference between an actual weapon and a child's toy, then they should not be in any position of authority whatsoever.

Posted by: Scont at September 16, 2015 05:41 PM (AGtIR)

543
Am I the only one who wonders why 14 year old "Ahmed" "Mohammad",
Muslim, thought it would be a good idea to take a "Home Made Clock" that
"Looks Like A Bomb" to school with him? Call me crazy but first of all
what was he doing bringing outside objects into school with him? Is that
normal? It wasn't normal when I went to school, because it wasn't
allowed. The only reason the teacher found out about it is because it
beeped during her lesson and disrupted class. Then shes like "Whats
that beeping?" and then shes all "Oh SHIT the Muslim kid has a bomb!"
Is this really a far fetched and extreme scenario? It seems like the kid
was looking to create a scene or cause controversy. Maybe his parents
even put him up to it. Think about it: shes teaching class, something
beeps, suddenly little "Ahmed" pulls out a small metal suitcase with a
clock on it. No big deal?
He:
- brought outside objects into school
- knowingly brought a disruptive device to class
- knew that it looked like a bomb
- knew that he was a Muslim named "Ahmed Mohammad"

Yet little Ahmed is a national hero now shining a light on the racists
down in Texas. Because the 9th grade teacher was supposed to be an
expert on Improvised Explosive Devices and Home Made Clocks.
Do YOU know the difference between a home made clock and a home made bomb?

Posted by: MAtt at September 16, 2015 05:41 PM (pNEcQ)

544 RE; 526, I know because I used to work repairing consumer electronics for 25 years. That "specially marked red section" is the digital led display.

There were two parts to the question.

How does your electronics experience make you an explosives expert, able to tell at a glance that something is harmless?

Thanks for pointing out that it's an LED display. Didn't see the lighter colored parts. I was questioning the report that it was just re-arranged alarm clock parts. Now I see that it is. Makes sense, that PCB in the middle looks too sophisticated for a DIY.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 16, 2015 05:44 PM (0NdlF)

545 As I said with the Boston Lite Bright scare, if the only thing separating us from being charged as terrorists is how stupid any given cop might be, we are all well and truly fucked.

Posted by: Phelps at September 16, 2015 05:44 PM (0U/BL)

546
I think that's stupid as shit, but that's the stupid rule we (collectively) have given them.

Who is this "we", kemosabe?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at September 16, 2015 05:46 PM (1hM1d)

547 Ace,
I see you added this to your post:

"Someone else points out the kid said he only closed the pencil-case with a cable and not a lock because he did not want it to look like "a threat." Well okay, thanks for that then kid, but this does indicate the kid knew that this thing could well be viewed as "a threat;" so why bring it to school, and why whine about getting hassled over it?"

I RESPOND - Thanks for that. That's my point.

Further, however, given the fact that this kid's father is an activist Imam (seeks out media attention), I would go so far as to say I believe this incident was set-up for purposes of "Islamophobia".

By the way, the kid's father is a "Sufi, New Age, New-Testament" style Imam. Those words are from news articles about the father which have appeared in the past in the Dallas Morning News and other papers and periodicals. To the best of my knowledge, the Imam himself came up with those descriptions. He portrays himself as being anti-Jihad. But in the aftermath of what happened with his kid, suddenly he is aligned with CAIR.

Posted by: Pastorius at September 16, 2015 05:47 PM (gMAUH)

548 Nobody had to arrest the kid or suspend him.

He showed the teacher the beeping thing after class, she said it looked like a bomb, he said it was a clock.

A clock in a case is no cause to ARREST.

If you are so electronics illiterate you can't see it's a clock set in a pencil case (which who doesn't want a holographic tiger pencil case) and need authorities to give the all clear, you still don't have to arrest the kid. Say to the kid, hey kid, we understand your enthusiasm but clocks and wires out of ordinary cases can cause unreasonable reactions. Please confine hobby electronics to classroom excercises or clubs.

When he says "its a bomb", arrest him. When he leaves it lying around, unattended in a crazy place like behind a ceiling panel, arrest him. You don't arrest him for what he MIGHT have meant to do, especially since it was an argumentative English (that looks like a bomb - no its a clock) teacher who filled in that blank for herself.

He made a silly clock case, and a warning would have sufficed.

Posted by: SarahW at September 16, 2015 05:48 PM (3fTXW)

549 It can be a set-up and the school/police can still be wrong.

Posted by: SarahW at September 16, 2015 05:48 PM (3fTXW)

550
Do YOU know the difference between a home made clock and a home made bomb?

Yes, because one has a primary explosive charge, and one does not. Is the kid also a chemistry wiz? can he make his own mercury fulminate?

He could consult the Anarchist's Cookbook, but most of those formulas are more dangerous to the cook than the target.

I suspect what he did was to bait the school district into arresting him, so he can make himself a victim, and to get a nice sum of money when they sue. And sure enough, they fell into his clever trap.

No, no, Br'er Fox, don't throw me in the briar patch!

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at September 16, 2015 05:56 PM (1hM1d)

551 Re:544, Being an expert in electronics, I can recognize each and every part in that device (as well as see that there has been no post manufacture soldering on the boards due to there being no inconsistencies in the color or sheen of the solder connections). So yes, I can tell at a glance that it is nothing more than an alarm clock sans case and is therefore harmless. I do not need to be an IED expert to see that.

Posted by: Scont at September 16, 2015 05:57 PM (AGtIR)

552
He's 14 years, not 4 years old. He totally knew what he was doing.

If that's the case, wow. Better throw him in solitary and then lose the key, because he's a brainy super villain. He's a monocle and a white cat shy of being in charge of SPECTRE.

He's 14. There are lots of things we do when we're 14 that seemed like a good idea at the time.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at September 16, 2015 06:00 PM (1hM1d)

553 Just because a few people here have electronics experience does not mean that 99% of the population does as well. Its a small metal (suit)case with a clock and wires and "who knows what else" in it.

This was all done intentionally and its ridiculous the amount of people here defending this kid for being a "creative" "electronics geek".

Posted by: MAtt at September 16, 2015 06:10 PM (pNEcQ)

554 His dad is a member of CAIR.

Previously, he "debated" the idgit preacher that was going to burn the koran.

Yes, he KNEW what he was doing because...

He was evasive to the police when they asked him about it, and got arrested for doing THAT!

HE and dad got exactly what they wanted!

Posted by: JarvisW at September 16, 2015 06:11 PM (3+E+K)

555 Four guys with long beards named Mohammed walk into a bar, all wearing white, reeking of cologne and wearing bulky vests and shout "Allahu Akbar!"
Bartender is obviously Islamophobic.

Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at September 16, 2015 06:13 PM (k8tEg)

556 So did those three guys that disarmed the muslim terrorist on that train get invited to the White House?

Posted by: vivi at September 16, 2015 06:13 PM (PuvvV)

557 That is an AWFUL picture; without scale.

Look at the wall plug on the side.
That IS a pencil case.

Specifically, THIS pencil case.
http://www.amazon.com/Vaultz-Locking-Pencil-Inches-VZ01479/dp/B001BXZ28K
Vaultz Locking Pencil Box, 8.25 x 5.5 x 2.5 Inches, Black (VZ01479)

Not sure that's what you thought from that picture, without scale.

Posted by: gekkobear at September 16, 2015 06:32 PM (NGNkw)

558 So yes, I can tell at a glance that it is nothing more than an alarm clock sans case and is therefore harmless. I do not need to be an IED expert to see that.

From one glance at a grainy photo? How can you tell what's not behind the LED circuit?

I think you are operating outside your expertise, but too arrogant in your "expert knowledge" to accept what you don't know.

But if I take you at your word ... please take your IED identification ability to the military - they can surely use your masterful skills to prevent soldiers from being harmed.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 16, 2015 06:35 PM (0NdlF)

559 Actually, the two exit questions are NOT good questions, and they are, no doubt unintentionally, misleadingly framed.

Grant arguendo that the matter was worthy of inquiry. That inquiry ought to have stopped when the engineering teacher was consulted (as he ought to have been). He, after all, had first seen the clock; had enthused over it; and then had apparently remembered he worked with credentialed, subliterate public-union educrats, and warned the child to put it away because, to mouthbreathers featherbedded by teachers' unions, it looks like a threat, as do Pop Tarts and chicken nuggets.

That much being explained to any sane school principal (so, obviously not Cummings) ought to have ended the matter. Instead, unionized mediocrities, both educrats and police, created a situation in which a minor was arrested on charges that cannot possibly survive judicial scrutiny, and allowed his picture to be taken - in handcuffs - and disseminated. The entire IPD ought to be sacked and have their certifications revoked; Cummings ought to be cleaning out his desk right now. This is NOT a case of a kid's "whining" over "hassling." I devoutly hope everyone involved is sued into homelessness. (Official immunity doesn't help with Section 1983 actions.)

Posted by: Markham Shaw Pyle at September 16, 2015 06:42 PM (WlkUc)

560 It would be really funny if he made an alarm clock out of a cell phone.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 16, 2015 07:10 PM (NaeCR)

561 So because of 9/11 we got the TSA and "see something, say something." But the TSA is not allowed to profile middle easterners and we're not allowed to say something about what looks sorta like a bomb.

Got it.

I will say, however; it was no half-eaten PopTart.

Posted by: bkeyser at September 16, 2015 07:13 PM (dG7DS)

562 255 We used to put our stuff like that in empty cigar boxes we would get from the gas station down the street. I had a radio in a cigar box. Toughest part in those days was getting something to hold the batteries. And it is almost impossible to solder wires on a battery.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 16, 2015 03:47 PM (t2KH5)

Yeah, right first crystal radios, then radios with B+ (zap!)
and filament batteries!

Posted by: Sons of Vic (in spirit) at September 16, 2015 07:29 PM (PzU/t)

563 "re551 Re:544, Being an expert in electronics, I can recognize each and every part in that device (as well as see that there has been no post manufacture soldering on the boards due to there being no inconsistencies in the color or sheen of the solder connections). So yes, I can tell at a glance that it is nothing more than an alarm clock sans case and is therefore harmless. I do not need to be an IED expert to see that."

So the kid did nothing but take the case off a clock?
That isn't a science project. That is baiting a lawfare trap.
Kid/family wanted him arrested. So did Obama.

Posted by: it's a trap at September 16, 2015 07:59 PM (PGh+Q)

564 No one has mentioned the bomb scare on Friday, Sept 11, at a neighboring Plano high school. It scared a lot of people badly.

Then on Monday, the very next school day, Ahmed brings a weird looking device to school and doesn't turn off the power after the first teacher to see it treats it as insignificant. I was 14; I remember being a punk (and I'm even a girl!). I think Ahmed was looking for a reaction.

Posted by: C T at September 16, 2015 08:00 PM (LfPNJ)

565 Oh, and his dad is a politician who could use the fame in his repeated bids to be president of Sudan. I just keep thinking of balloon boy and his parents.

Posted by: C T at September 16, 2015 08:09 PM (LfPNJ)

566 What if the kid sitting beside him had a swiss army knife clock, a grenade clock or a claymore clock. Look them up. The whole class could be going to the whitehouse.

Posted by: Donner at September 17, 2015 01:07 AM (ziyAo)

567 >>553 Just because a few people here have electronics experience does not mean that 99% of the population does as well. Its a small metal (suit)case with a clock and wires and "who knows what else" in it. This was all done intentionally and its ridiculous the amount of people here defending this kid for being a "creative" "electronics geek".

This thread is dead but no one expects anyone to be an electronics EXPERT. The problem is if this looks like a bomb, ALL electronics look like bombs then. Apparently we're not allowed to have bare circuit boards because people watch too much TV.

I don't see how anyone can avoid that. If this looks like a bomb all bare electronics look like bombs. This is people being frightened by circuit boards. We cannot, in the 21st century, panic at the sight of electronic circuit boards. It is NOT reasonable to say that all electronic devices look like bombs.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 17, 2015 10:37 AM (TULs6)

568 Your facts are in error:

- for a long time, the kid refused to say anything to either school officials or the cops. That was one of the factors raising suspicions.
- the clock went off because he plugged it in - if he had just put it away, it would have done nothing (which would not have achieved his goal of getting the attention of the school, cops, and media).
- he WASN'T an inventor - or even a kit-user. He took a WORKING clock, and re-purposed the innards into the pencil case. NOT a genius - just the level of skills that a maker of a IED would have.

Posted by: LindaF at September 17, 2015 12:20 PM (xcV4R)

569 That thing does not look like a clock to me. Unless Samsonite has started making timepieces.

Posted by: LGoPs at September 17, 2015 01:10 PM (FzE3e)

570 As a man who works in a conduct office at a large University, we would have been all over the student. The reason is as obvious as you imagine- students do not walk around with briefcases full of homemade electronics. Anyone who does goes immediately on the radar and gets a visit from the police in a heartbeat. We'd be negligent if we ignored it. We would prefer to trust the lives of our students to the police's bomb-analysis skills than our own.
We have a word for student who walk around with briefcases full of homemade electronics: "Suspect"

Posted by: Bobby K at September 17, 2015 01:39 PM (NUeGK)

571 Where I work we call people who walk around with briefcases full of homemade electronics "Engineers". If we had more bandwidth I'd share pictures of some of my DIY electronics projects that look a lot more like a bomb than this one.

What University do you work for? I want to recommend to any budding engineer I run into to avoid it as a hostile environment.

Posted by: Socratease at September 17, 2015 02:16 PM (XGARB)

572 he WASN'T an inventor - or even a kit-user. He took a WORKING clock, and re-purposed the innards into the pencil case. NOT a genius - just the level of skills that a maker of a IED would have.

Well, except for the totally missing explosives part, yeah. But every engineer I ever met started out taking apart stuff to see what parts were in it. If the school wanted to make an issue of it they should have suspended him for fooling around with 110VAC stuff that wasn't safe. And then put him in a special studies program with a science teacher adviser.

Posted by: Socratease at September 17, 2015 02:27 PM (XGARB)

573 The alarm went off when it did because it was set that way.
He (and probably his parents) knew it was suspicious, knew that the English teacher would not (she is an English teacher!) know what exactly the device was. The family probably felt the prejudice, and played everyone (and well!), fooling people all the way to the top.

Posted by: Li at September 17, 2015 02:55 PM (/iJIW)

574 Why are there so many people here getting mad at a 14 year-old kid

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