"Everything We Provide Is Fresh:" New Planned Parenthood Video Talks Up Harvesting Children for Money

They describe their business as a chop shop for babies.

And they seem to be talking about profiting in the trade of money for organs, which would put them afoul of the law.

The video highlights conversations with Dr. Carolyn Westhoff, Senior Medical Advisor for PPFA; Dr. Vanessa Cullins, Vice President for External Medical Affairs for PPFA; and Deborah VanDerhei, National Director for the Consortium of Abortion Providers (CAPS) at PPFA.
"We've just been working with people who want particular tissues, like, you know, they want cardiac, or they want eyes, or they want neural," says Dr. Westhoff to a prospective fetal organ buyer. "Certainly, everything we provide--oh, gonads! Oh my God, gonads. Everything we provide is fresh."
Westhoff continues, "Obviously, we would have the potential for a huge P.R. issue in doing this," before offering to introduce the buyers to "national office abortion people" from Planned Parenthood.
Deborah VanDerhei is the National Director for CAPS, an influential committee within Planned Parenthood that drives abortion policy across the organization. VanDerhei refers to payments for fetal tissue as "donation for remuneration," which carries the connotation of financial reward or benefit without regard for actual expenses. VanDerhei explains, "I have been talking to the executive director of the National Abortion Federation, we're trying to figure this out as an industry, about how we're going to manage remuneration, because the headlines would be a disaster."
"Is this really worth getting--I don't even know what in general, what a specimen generally brings in?" VanDerhei later asks a prospective buyer. When she is told $100 per specimen, she remarks, "But we have independent colleagues who generate a fair amount of income doing this." VanDerhei suggests that Planned Parenthood goes to great lengths to avoid leaving a paper trail about their fetal tissue activity: "It's an issue that you might imagine we’re not really that comfortable talking about on email."

The only oversold aspect, which I've seen in many of these vids, is that the officials in question are not on the selling-organs-for-money side of things, but are instead guessing about what that side of the "industry" looks like. Further, they usually are not the ones bringing up money at all; that's CMP, pushing on that issue.

Still, if anyone had the idea that it was "clumps of cells" being extracted from women's bodies, this ought to disabuse such people of that.

Republicans have responded with a, get this, compromise on Planned Parenthood funding.

As the House and Senate return on Tuesday to begin confronting a spending impasse, Representative Charlie Dent, a moderate Republican from Pennsylvania, says he has come up with a way to avert a possible government shutdown over Planned Parenthood funding: a bill that would take away money only from clinics involved in selling tissue from aborted fetuses.
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Mr. Dent plans to offer a bill similar to the one written by the Republican senators Susan Collins of Maine, Mark S. Kirk of Illinois and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska that would only defund those specific clinics -- about seven in three states, Mr. Dent said -- while leaving the funding in place for the scores of other Planned Parenthood clinics in the country. That bill never got a vote in the Senate, which instead took up and rejected a measure to take all federal funding from Planned Parenthood, and a similar measure is expected on the House floor this week.
Mr. Dent's bill -- which has some Republican support but no Democrats yet -- would also require a 90-day investigation by the attorney general and tweaks to language in the current law that would make it even more difficult for health care workers to change the way they perform abortions to help extract tissues for sale.

This seems designed deliberately to miss the point, and to actually help Planned Parenthood, by removing a PR nightmare from their plate. Pro-life people are interested in defunding Planned Parenthood to stop abortions, not merely in stopping the trade in organs post-abortion. The exposure of the trade in organs is being used as leverage to generally agitate against the procedure of abortion, and at the least, cut out forced taxpayer funding for it.

Dent's bill seems to miss all that, and just help Planned Parenthood by forcing it to give up on its PR nightmare practice, while still keeping the taxpayer-paid abortion regime in place.

This is a Democrat sort of bill, a bill that removes Planned Parenthood from the headlines so that the quiet taxpayer funding can continue.

Or at least it's what an old-style Democrat bill would look like -- now Democrats just dig in their heels and say "NO. No to every single thing you say."

And our guys keep trying to compromise with them. Because they have to prove they can govern or something.

Posted by: Ace at 01:53 PM

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1 ooo first? Off to read the content...

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at September 15, 2015 01:55 PM (WDySP)

2 Oneth again?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 01:55 PM (LUgeY)

3 RIP, America

Posted by: rebel flounder at September 15, 2015 01:55 PM (1DH1V)

4 Shazbot! I'll fetch the others.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 01:55 PM (LUgeY)

5 >>Still, if anyone had the idea that it was "clumps of cells" being extracted from women's bodies, this ought to disabuse such people of that.

THIS x1000!!!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 01:55 PM (NOIQH)

6 Republicans have responded with a, get this, compromise on Planned Parenthood funding.

If the GOP can't oppose taxpayer funded abortions, now, after this, they are totally useless.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 01:56 PM (CiLUq)

7 "Certainly, everything we provide--oh, gonads! Oh my God, gonads. Everything we provide is fresh."

I've got your gonads, bitch.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 01:56 PM (cN1tG)

8 "And gonads!!"

F'ing ghouls.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 01:56 PM (NOIQH)

9 Listen, Planned Parenthood. We'll give you everything you want and more. We just need some phoney-baloney cover to fool the rubes, those stupid, simpleton cretins who vote for us when they're not bowing and scraping before their Sky Daddy.

Posted by: The GOP Establishment at September 15, 2015 01:56 PM (7Kbxu)

10 Fresh Flesh.

Sub-Humans.

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 15, 2015 01:56 PM (zLv2s)

11 These people should be in jail but the RNCe and Boner and company are not going to do anything.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 01:57 PM (t2KH5)

12 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 01:57 PM (kff5f)

13 At some point, a nation can only murder so many of their own unborn.

And don't think God doesn't notice.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 15, 2015 01:57 PM (VPLuQ)

14 Motherf*cking priests of motherf*cking Moloch.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 01:57 PM (kff5f)

15 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 01:57 PM (kff5f)

16 says he has come up with a way to avert a possible government shutdown over Planned Parenthood funding: a bill that would take away money only from clinics involved in selling tissue from aborted fetuses.

That would be all of them.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 01:57 PM (cN1tG)

17 "Everything we provide is fresh."

Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 01:58 PM (2Ojst)

18 Boy for sale! Only 13 guineas! Boy for sale!

Posted by: mister fuzzydick at September 15, 2015 01:58 PM (LYqIl)

19 Here's what the front-runner said last month:

Donald Trump Defends Planned Parenthood, Calls Abortions 'Small Part of What They Do' http://dailysign.al/1JU8ssH

Posted by: Y-not at September 15, 2015 01:58 PM (0Iy+I)

20 So spare me the righteous indignation about how you're all totes finished with the GOP because of how weak the GOPers on the Hill are.

Posted by: Y-not at September 15, 2015 01:59 PM (0Iy+I)

21 If the GOP were a plumber, we'd be shitting in a latrine while he whined about how we were raising our voices at him.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 01:59 PM (CiLUq)

22 Compromise has become something to aspire to, instead of what it really is....the invalidation of your strongly held beliefs for personal or political expedience.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 15, 2015 01:59 PM (Zu3d9)

23 yeah Planned Parenthood is worried about "headlines" and how much that would hurt them, but they needn't be.

Even if all the members of the press aren't consciously aware of how powerful the redistribution of wealth from taxpayers, through Planned Parenthood grants and funding, to Democrat politicians is, they simply think PP is a net good and helps women, so will do nothing to harm them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 15, 2015 01:59 PM (39g3+)

24 It'll be difficult to dance through this particular political minefield.

I have confidence in Yertle and his band of GOP superpoopers though.

Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2015 01:59 PM (TxJGV)

25 I am no longer a Republican. In fact I am ashamed of what they have become.

Posted by: LGoPs at September 15, 2015 01:59 PM (FzE3e)

26 I'm in the "arrest them all and shut it down" camp. No country that calls itself civilized should allow this butchery.

And outlaw that POS Roe v Wade decision with a bill that makes abortion illegal again.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 01:59 PM (LUgeY)

27 Is this produce locally grown?

Posted by: Hipster Douchebag Fetal Tissue Researcher at September 15, 2015 01:59 PM (CQ3K4)

28 They should be disbarred from Federal contracting.

Posted by: Jean at September 15, 2015 01:59 PM (ztOda)

29 19 Here's what the front-runner said last month:

Donald Trump Defends Planned Parenthood, Calls Abortions 'Small Part of What They Do' http://dailysign.al/1JU8ssH
Posted by: Y-not at September 15, 2015 01:58 PM (0Iy+I)

So he said what the GOP is going to act upon.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 02:00 PM (CiLUq)

30 Seriously, these people are openly discussing selling human organs.

Last I checked that was a bad thing, right?

Where's the outrage?
We are so far gone as a culture...

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 02:00 PM (NOIQH)

31 If we gave them more money then they wouldn't have to sell these items.

Posted by: dicksuckingmsm at September 15, 2015 02:00 PM (1lH1A)

32 19
Here's what the front-runner said last month:

Donald Trump Defends Planned Parenthood, Calls Abortions 'Small Part of What They Do' http://dailysign.al/1JU8ssH

Posted by: Y-not at September 15, 2015 01:58 PM (0Iy+I)

And we already know that abortions are about the ONLY thing they do. Does Trump? I am not that impressed with Trump.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 02:00 PM (t2KH5)

33 I predict a great big distraction is coming our way. A really big squirrel.

Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2015 02:00 PM (TxJGV)

34 Let me see if I got this right:

Feral Government gives x100 million dollars to PP each year and PP then gives x100 million dollars to the Democrat Machine.

How is this possible? Or tolerated?

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at September 15, 2015 02:00 PM (DfCQN)

35 Sure glad Cortez put an end to that whole human sacrifice thing here in this hemisphere.

Say, is this part of that whole Aztlan re-conquista?

Aspiring Aztecs need to know!

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 15, 2015 02:01 PM (zLv2s)

36 22 Compromise has become something to aspire to, instead of what it really is....the invalidation of your strongly held beliefs for personal or political expedience.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 15, 2015 01:59 PM (Zu3d9)

"When good compromises with evil, only evil benefits."
~Ayn Rand

Posted by: rickl at September 15, 2015 02:01 PM (zoehZ)

37 well said. Reminds me of when lib acquaintances would complain about the PP protesters using graphic images of dead babies. My response was always "this is what you support, own it."

Posted by: Benji Carver at September 15, 2015 02:01 PM (OD2ni)

38 *types bad advice*
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*deletes bad advice*

Posted by: Adriane the Bad Advice Critic ... at September 15, 2015 02:01 PM (qOsoH)

39 20
So spare me the righteous indignation about how you're all totes
finished with the GOP because of how weak the GOPers on the Hill are.

Posted by: Y-not at September 15, 2015 01:59 PM (0Iy+I)

Non sequitur much? Please explain, because I think I would be inclined to agree.

Posted by: rebel flounder at September 15, 2015 02:01 PM (1DH1V)

40 >>Even if all the members of the press aren't consciously aware of how powerful the redistribution of wealth from taxpayers, through Planned Parenthood grants and funding, to Democrat politicians is...

And the other orgs, such as EMILY's List. They do all they can to support pro-abortion politicians, which keeps the PP money train flowing.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 02:02 PM (NOIQH)

41 Where's the outrage?
We are so far gone as a culture...

If the MFM covered it honestly, it would be.

Infanticide lovers, all of them.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 02:02 PM (LUgeY)

42 Ugh, I can't take these ghouls. Can we prosecute these fuckers who are doing this illegally yet?

BTW, Trump said he'd shut down/defund PP right on the View, he walked right into the lion's den and said fuck it.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 15, 2015 02:02 PM (q5APL)

43 So Lisa McTootski is angling for one of the Maine Twins' traitor-chairs eh? That sounds about right.

Also

Q: who has eyes , neural and gonads?
A: People

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 02:02 PM (0dcbp)

44 It's a sad fact but nobody seems to care and it's gotten over saturated. I don't feel that way, but with each new video there does NOT seem to be an greater outrage?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 15, 2015 02:02 PM (gf8BH)

45 Who's got the gonads?

* two thumbs pointing at self *

I've got the gonads! Now watch me govern effectively, bitchez.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at September 15, 2015 02:02 PM (UlJ3l)

46 Trump also said he'd shut down the government to defund planned parenthood.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter. NOBODY wants to shut it down.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 02:03 PM (CiLUq)

47 And don't think God doesn't notice.

God is very patient but by his actions Obama continues to scratch his face daily using his middle finger towards God. That's why I ask for forgiveness of my own sins and the those of the country daily and implore God's mercy.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 15, 2015 02:03 PM (dKQ1C)

48 No, "Republicans" have not offered a compromise. One Republican in the House, and a few in the Senate, have.

The implication Ace clearly wants to make is that the entire caucus in both houses of Congress wants to compromise. Which is incorrect.

If you have an issue with Rep. Dent and his proposal, fine. Fair enough.

But it is inaccurate and dishonest to try to make it seem as if his proposal is the official "Republican" stance on PP and baby body parts trafficking. Because it isn't.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:03 PM (ljZD2)

49 On that issue Trump uses the phrase --women's health.
He pivoted once-- he might pivot back.

Posted by: Fatman at September 15, 2015 02:03 PM (mcm0N)

50 This seems designed deliberately to miss the point, and to actually help Planned Parenthood, by removing a PR nightmare from their plate.

I suspect that *is* the point (of that legislation)- tor remove a PR nightmare from PP's plate.

Because that's all it would do. Money is fungible, remember? So you've "cut off funding" for these specific clinics, but not for all clinics. And I seriously doubt you've reduced PP's funding very much (I wouldn't be surprised to see it increase, in point of fact).

No, the Federal Government should not be sending a single red cent to Planned Parenthood. And that was true *before* all this came out.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 02:03 PM (kff5f)

51 Westhoff continues, "Obviously, we would have the potential for a huge P.R. issue in doing this"

*waah waaaaaaah...*

(sad trombone)

Posted by: Semiliterate Thug at September 15, 2015 02:03 PM (CQ3K4)

52 Murkowski, Collins, Kirk. Always the same dirtball motherfuckers.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt TrumpProd (tm) at September 15, 2015 02:04 PM (2E/Tt)

53 More Failure Theater. There will be no cuts, except maybe this watered down symbolic version, and the budget bill will in fact exceed the previously agreed to caps. You know it, and I know it.

I also fully expect the Ex-Im Bank to get funding once again; GE just played their trump card and declared they are moving 500 jobs overseas because of the expiration of ExIm.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 15, 2015 02:04 PM (gyKtp)

54 There is no compromise on abortion. The supreme court made sure of that 40 years ago. In that time, both sides have dug their heals in. And there is certainly no compromise on funding.

I have looked past the GOP on a lot of things. But a party that is not committed to - not ending abortion - but ending the federal funding of it - is a party I cannot be a part of.

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 02:04 PM (gmeXX)

55 BTW, Trump said he'd shut down/defund PP right on the View, he walked right into the lion's den and said fuck it.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 15, 2015 02:02 PM (q5APL)
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Donald Trump Defends Planned Parenthood, Calls Abortions 'Small Part of What They Do' http://dailysign.al/1JU8ssH
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Care to reconcile these statements prescient11?

Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2015 02:04 PM (TxJGV)

56 And of course, the REPUBLICANS come in with a 'compromise' that will do nothing but will give them the APPEARANCE of having done something.

Just like all the Obama care votes... Just like the Iran Treaty... just like the insider trading for Congress... just like the Benghazi and IRS hearings...

THEY ACCOMPLISH NOTHING.

Posted by: BB Wolf at September 15, 2015 02:05 PM (qh617)

57 48 But it is inaccurate and dishonest to try to make it
seem as if his proposal is the official "Republican" stance on PP and
baby body parts trafficking. Because it isn't.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:03 PM (ljZD2)

Boner's position is leave them alone and let them continue. He is not even offering a compromise and he is the SOH.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 02:05 PM (t2KH5)

58 If PP were doing this to puppies, there would be media coverage nonstop.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 15, 2015 02:05 PM (BHl9S)

59 But it is inaccurate and dishonest to try to make it seem as if his proposal is the official "Republican" stance on PP and baby body parts trafficking. Because it isn't.

The official stance is Mitch McConnell's, when he says it's not important enough to shut the government down over.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 02:05 PM (CiLUq)

60 For Sale: One baby. Never used.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 15, 2015 02:06 PM (hLRSq)

61 Work Americans are willing to do!

Posted by: Jebb at September 15, 2015 02:06 PM (DfCQN)

62 I'm going to assume that this social moderate is also not very fiscally conservative.

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 02:06 PM (gmeXX)

63 "Everything we provide is fresh."

I suddenly realized what a terrible mistake I've been making. All this time I've been comparing Planned Parenthood to Pick-A-Parts, where if you need a new driver's-side door and a taillight assembly for your Buick, you show up with a set of wrenches and buy the part you need at a discount, taking it from a wrecked car. It suddenly dawned on me that I've been using a bad metaphor.

It's not Pick-A-Parts. It's Souplantation, and Planned Parenthood is the buffet line. Everything they provide is fresh.

Posted by: Qoheleth at September 15, 2015 02:06 PM (iIzG7)

64 Anybody got any gold bond powder?

Posted by: Smelly old sock at September 15, 2015 02:06 PM (FX837)

65 53 I also fully expect the Ex-Im Bank to get funding
once again; GE just played their trump card and declared they are moving
500 jobs overseas because of the expiration of ExIm.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 15, 2015 02:04 PM (gyKtp)

They are lying. Moving jobs overseas has nothing to do with ExImp.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 02:07 PM (t2KH5)

66 someone will sue PP to the ground for not disclosing to the women the spare parts sales.

Posted by: X at September 15, 2015 02:07 PM (57fhp)

67
But it is inaccurate and dishonest to try to make it seem as if his proposal is the official "Republican" stance on PP and baby body parts trafficking. Because it isn't.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:03 PM (ljZD2)

You're right. At least this is *a* stance. Because the "Republican" stance on PP and baby body parts trafficking seems to be sticking their fingers in their ears, closing their eyes, screaming "La-la-la!" at the top of their lungs, and hoping it will go away.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 02:07 PM (kff5f)

68 "Everything We Provide Is Fresh:"

Sounds like an ad for a supermarket.

Grotesque.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 15, 2015 02:07 PM (dKQ1C)

69 If PP were doing this to puppies, there would be media coverage nonstop.

Cats, but point taken.

#WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 02:07 PM (LUgeY)

70 60
For Sale: One baby. Never used.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 15, 2015 02:06 PM (hLRSq)

Never held; only dropped once. *tears*

Posted by: rebel flounder at September 15, 2015 02:07 PM (1DH1V)

71 >>If PP were doing this to puppies, there would be media coverage nonstop.

It did seem almost too perfect that the most graphic PP videos came out at the same time the Cecil the lion story did.

It was like a humanity litmus test on which outraged one more. A lot of people failed that one, eh?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 02:08 PM (NOIQH)

72 And to think they hung me for doing the same thing but I did not have access to the sweet government reichmarks that PP does.

Oh well.....

Posted by: Zombie Obersturmbannfuhrer Rudolf Hoess at September 15, 2015 02:08 PM (D0NZx)

73 Fast food companies can be held accountable for their franchises but Planned Parenthood isn't? That's how the squishes are going to play this?

Posted by: ryukyu at September 15, 2015 02:08 PM (j29PP)

74 Well, at least PP isn't sexist. All their employees seem to be women.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 15, 2015 02:08 PM (E5UB0)

75 Any candidate who flip-flops on an important issue like abortion cannot be trusted.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at September 15, 2015 02:09 PM (Ui7Rt)

76 These guys are running from making the Dems stand-up for harvesting babies? Its a slam dunk! Of course Obama will veto it. And everytime he does you trot out a picture of a dismembered baby and say this is what Obama is in favor of. Make them own it!

Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 02:09 PM (9221z)

77 This is a Democrat sort of bill

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Makes sense. Dent and the GOP leadership are sort of Democrats.

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 02:09 PM (gmeXX)

78 No, this can't be right. I've been assured that Planned Parenthood only provides mammograms to poor women.

Posted by: Cave Johnson at September 15, 2015 02:09 PM (2jQGY)

79 I don't understand the utter depravity and evil that is abortion. That's why all the euphemisms

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 15, 2015 02:09 PM (BHl9S)

80 Was it Hemmingway that wrote the shortest story about baby shoes?

Posted by: Jean at September 15, 2015 02:10 PM (ztOda)

81 I do not know how these people live with themselves. What depravity.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 15, 2015 02:10 PM (AbFmZ)

82 Presient11

At the end of his speech in Alabama he says his wife talked to him and wanted him to correct the misunderstanding--he will not cut funding for "women's health".

Posted by: Fatman at September 15, 2015 02:10 PM (mcm0N)

83 For Sale: One baby. Never used.

Or hugged. Or read a bedtime story to. Or taught to drive...

God, if You're Listening, please help us.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 02:10 PM (LUgeY)

84 Care to reconcile these statements prescient11?

Trump is pro choice, like Mitch McConnell or John Boehner.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 02:10 PM (CiLUq)

85 Ugh, I can't take these ghouls. Can we prosecute these fuckers who are doing this illegally yet?

We'll get right on that.

Posted by: The Obama Department of Just Us at September 15, 2015 02:10 PM (/oDR4)

86 >>Was it Hemmingway that wrote the shortest story about baby shoes?

Yes, six words:

For sale: baby shoes . Never worn.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 02:11 PM (NOIQH)

87 Was it Hemmingway that wrote the shortest story about baby shoes?

Posted by: Jean at September 15, 2015 02:10 PM (ztOda)

That was my inspiration.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 15, 2015 02:11 PM (hLRSq)

88 There is another harvest coming.

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 15, 2015 02:12 PM (zLv2s)

89 For sale: baby brains. Harvested fresh.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 02:12 PM (CiLUq)

90 It was like a humanity litmus test on which outraged one more. A lot of people failed that one, eh?

==========

Squirrel wasn't big enough to do the job.

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Traveler's Cheques at September 15, 2015 02:12 PM (3ZtZW)

91 65 They are lying. Moving jobs overseas has nothing to do with ExImp.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 02:07 PM (t2KH5)

Probably. But that is what is being reported in the WSJ today.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 15, 2015 02:13 PM (gyKtp)

92 There is another harvest coming.

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 15, 2015 02:12 PM (zLv2s)

Red Harvest.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 15, 2015 02:13 PM (hLRSq)

93 Anybody who thinks there isn't significant opposition to federal abortion funding in the houses' Republican caucuses hasn't been paying attention to the votes. One would have to be willfully ignorant to not notice how those have gone.

Will they shut down the government over this? No. Leadership has repeatedly and publicly stated that they will not shut down the government again for any reason. So, you'd best get over any hope that that will happen. Any talk about it happening is grandstanding for fundraising purposes.

Pro-life people have exactly one way to make any significant progress in eliminating abortion in this country. That is to elect a Republican president next year who is consistently pro-life. Period. That's your option.

Of the 16 people running, at least 14 of them are. Trump isn't one of them.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:13 PM (ljZD2)

94 This is all a distraction. We have to show them we can govern...by caving

Posted by: Mush McConnell, UniParty Maj Leader at September 15, 2015 02:13 PM (hKyl0)

95 65 They are lying. Moving jobs overseas has nothing to do with ExImp.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 02:07 PM (t2KH5)

Probably. But that is what is being reported in the WSJ today.

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Let them move.

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 02:13 PM (gmeXX)

96 >>For sale: baby brains. Harvested fresh.

Ugh. But it would make an excellent anti-PP bumpersticker:

"For sale: baby [brain/heart/eyes/gonads]. Harvested fresh."

Anyone know SABO?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 02:14 PM (NOIQH)

97 We should harvest these people. Every part except their defective brains.

Then we should go to Washington and start kicking some of the Republican cowards in their fat lazy hypocritical asses.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 15, 2015 02:14 PM (rsZG4)

98 91 Probably. But that is what is being reported in the WSJ today.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 15, 2015 02:13 PM (gyKtp)

Oh I am sure the WSJ is accurate, GE said it, but they were lying trying to get their graft and corruption money back.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 02:14 PM (t2KH5)

99 "Everything we provide is fresh."

That would sound fine at Whole Foods, or Gelsons, or some other trendy market where I can't afford to shop. From a taxpayer-funded baby death mill, not so much.

Posted by: Qoheleth at September 15, 2015 02:15 PM (iIzG7)

100 Will they shut down the government over this? No. Leadership has repeatedly and publicly stated that they will not shut down the government again for any reason.

And that's why they should be fired.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 02:15 PM (CiLUq)

101 you show up with a set of wrenches and buy the part you need at a discount, taking it from a wrecked car. It suddenly dawned on me that I've been using a bad metaphor.

It's not Pick-A-Parts. It's

Auto Zone. Walk in, tell them what you need, they go to the back, pull the part you need, and walla!

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 02:15 PM (cN1tG)

102 How about this for a compromise? Pass a bill to continue PP funding, but forbid any use of fetal tissue. If PP is to be believed, it shouldn't affect them at all, and if they're lying, they're going to get hit hard in the pocketbook.

Sure, there will be some wailing about loss of research, but if that's the only counter argument, it's pretty weak.

Posted by: Grimaldi at September 15, 2015 02:15 PM (qc4jR)

103 Pro-life people have exactly one way to make any significant progress in eliminating abortion in this country. That is to elect a Republican president next year who is consistently pro-life. Period. That's your option.

Of the 16 people running, at least 14 of them are. Trump isn't one of them.

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I have to be honest, I have no clue what he would do. I certainly do not think Trump is pro-life, but could he do something to help that cause? Maybe. I really have no clue what Trump would do as President.

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 02:16 PM (gmeXX)

104 >>> God, if You're Listening, please help us.

"The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' And I'll look down and whisper "No".

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Traveler's Cheques at September 15, 2015 02:16 PM (3ZtZW)

105 "GE just played their trump card and declared they are moving 500 jobs overseas because of the expiration of ExIm."

The corporate heirs of "Neutron Jack" Welch, who never saw an act of downsizing or outsourcing which didn't make their squinty little eyes beam with approval, now pretend to be wiping tears of sadness from those same eyes.

Oh! Don't make us take this terrible step! Which we would hate to have to do! Please save us from having to use such harsh measures! We luuuuurrrrve our workers at GE!

Anyone who would like a corrective to that is welcome to travel to Schenectady, New York. At one point, GE employed quite literally about three-quarters of the workers in town. I think there are something like eleven of them left at this point. Starting in the 1970s, the layoff axe came down over, and over, and over again.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 02:17 PM (noWW6)

106 "But it is inaccurate and dishonest to try to make it seem as if his
proposal is the official "Republican" stance on PP and baby body parts
trafficking. Because it isn't."
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That's right! We're also against the Iran deal, by the way!

Posted by: The GOP Establishment at September 15, 2015 02:17 PM (7Kbxu)

107 How about this for a compromise? Pass a bill to continue PP funding, but forbid any use of fetal tissue.

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Sounds like capitulation - not a compromise. Besides, there is no compromise. Any "compromise" is really just a sell-out. You cannot compromise on this. If only our side took this as serious as the other side.

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 02:17 PM (gmeXX)

108 Money is fungible. And anyone who knows anything about medical spending knows that Planned parenthood is charging $X for the abortion (I think it's like $500) to the person, but then more than likely they go ahead and do a pelvic exam and a few other things at the same time, which then then bill to Medicaid (for those eligible, and for PP's customers that'd be pretty much all of them.)

The actual cost for what PP is doing extra is basically 0, but they get to take in that extra Medicaid money to raise profits from the abortion (which is the "initial encounter.")

Hospitals do this too, especially in the ER and if you have good insurance. If you show up for lets say a fall, they'll find a way to justify sticking a test or two in there that's a "high value" test. (i.e. makes the hospital a fair margin.)

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 15, 2015 02:18 PM (tM4uk)

109 "I really have no clue what Trump would do as President."

Neither does anybody else. Including Trump.

But hell, let's all take a flyer on someone who can't make money with casinos in Atlantic City.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:18 PM (ljZD2)

110 "The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists

and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout

But you repeat yourself.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 02:19 PM (cN1tG)

111 "I really have no clue what Trump would do as President."

Neither does anybody else. Including Trump.

But hell, let's all take a flyer on someone who can't make money with casinos in Atlantic City.

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Its one of the few reasons why I could vote for him. Might as well take a flyer - could it be worse than Jeb or Obama. Sure. But hard to envision. I would anticipate a Congress that fights back. That in and of itself is a reason to vote for him.

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 02:20 PM (gmeXX)

112 >>>>Bigby's Fistful of Traveler's Cheques at September 15, 2015 02:16 PM (3ZtZW)

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Like the new version of your nic. Like very much. It's a keeper. Liked the comment too

Posted by: L, Elle at September 15, 2015 02:21 PM (2x3L+)

113 Ok let's at least get the quotes right.

Daily Signal

"There's
two Planned Parenthoods, in a way," he said. "You have it as an
abortion clinic. Now that's actually a fairly small part of what they
do, but it's a brutal part. And I'm totally against it and I wouldn't do
that. They also, however, service women."

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in the nation, performing almost a third of all abortions in the U.S.

Hannity asked Trump why taxpayers should fund the group given its role in providing abortions.

"Maybe
unless they stop with the abortions, we don't do the funding for the
stuff that we want," he said. "I'm totally against the abortion aspect
of Planned Parenthood, but I've had many women, I've had many
Republican, conservative women come up and say Planned Parenthood serves
a good function, other than that one aspect."

He told CNN
earlier in the day he would examine the Planned Parenthood's practices
to determine the "good aspects" that help women.

"I'm sure they
do some things properly and good and that are good for women, and I
would look at that, and I would look at other aspects also," he said.
"But we have to take care of women."

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 02:21 PM (0dcbp)

114 But hell, let's all take a flyer on someone who can't make money with casinos in Atlantic City.

As opposed to sticking with THE government that can't run a LEGAL whorehouse in Nevada?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 02:21 PM (cN1tG)

115 Sounds like capitulation - not a compromise. Besides, there is no compromise. Any "compromise" is really just a sell-out. You cannot compromise on this. If only our side took this as serious as the other side.

How can any thinking human support the wholesale butchering of innocent babies? Then selling the parts?

And how can anyone on the Pro-Life side do anything except stop it? It doesn't need to be slowed down, it needs to be stopped immediately and those responsible for it prosecuted.

Abortion is murder. Plain and simple.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 02:21 PM (LUgeY)

116 But hell, let's all take a flyer on someone who can't make money with casinos in Atlantic City.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:18 PM (ljZD2)

He's better than Mitch or Boehner.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 02:21 PM (CiLUq)

117 Human sacrifice for the lightbringer! While this certainly isn't unprecedented, civilization hasn't really come that far from the noble savages on the altar of the Sun God.

Posted by: Fritz at September 15, 2015 02:21 PM (UzPAd)

118 "That is to elect a Republican president next year who is consistently pro-life. Period. That's your option. Of the 16 people running, at least 14 of them are. Trump isn't one of them."

I'm not a Trumpista, nor am I committed to any other GOP figure right now (still holding out for Medically Induced Coma / Raccoon With Machine Gun).

But, pray tell, how in the world would we _be able to tell_ if any of these establishment figures were in fact "consistently pro-life" in their philosophies and policies?

The GOP establishment have become reviled amongst their own base specificially because they are *not* consistent about anything. Anything at all. They're a gang of pathological liars who have gotten caught at it, time and time again.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 02:21 PM (noWW6)

119 Compromise has become something to aspire to, instead of what it really is....the invalidation of your strongly held beliefs for personal or political expedience.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 15, 2015 01:59 PM (Zu3d9)

I think tactical compromise is still something that can be done, just not by the idiots in congress.
You get someone to give you a little here, a little there and suddenly they've given you everything and the shirt of their back.
It's how the dems got this far.

There are several problems including: a LIV populace, a willing media (which, if we send a budget to the president with everything he wants but PP funding and he vetoes it would say "Republicans shut down government over PP funding!") and a dickless political class.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 15, 2015 02:21 PM (tM4uk)

120 If this wasn't so over the edge politically it would be funny. I heard a caller on a morning talk show today say that what people don't think about is that Trump will never compromise across the isle while a Hillary or a Bernie will. The idea that Republicans have to surrender on every single issue runs so deep I seriously began to wonder if I had awakened into an alternate reality. Critical thinking and even common sense seems to be completely gone amongst most of the population. Is this some sort of natural evolution of a Central State? Does the mighty Soviet Planning Committee come into power and everyone just turns into vegetables? What the fuck is happening?

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at September 15, 2015 02:22 PM (NHtMs)

121 93 Will they shut down the government over this? No.
Leadership has repeatedly and publicly stated that they will not shut
down the government again for any reason. So, you'd best get over any
hope that that will happen. Any talk about it happening is grandstanding
for fundraising purposes.

Pro-life people have exactly one way
to make any significant progress in eliminating abortion in this
country. That is to elect a Republican president next year who is
consistently pro-life. Period. That's your option.

Of the 16 people running, at least 14 of them are. Trump isn't one of them.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:13 PM (ljZD2)

Two things, they have never shutdown the government yet. That was BS Democrat PR forwarded by the press. The last so called S/D only hit a few parks. Second we had a Republican President who was firmly opposed to abortion, GWB. He had two years of a Republican congress. It did not go away then.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 02:22 PM (t2KH5)

122 Trump is the equivalent of Obama. He is not prepared for the job, but will say anything he has to to gain support. And those supporters hear what they want to hear in his words, and ignore everything else he may say that contradicts what they want to hear. There is no telling what he would do if elected -- but I guarantee it wouldn't be pretty. And it won't be the "change" his supporters "hope" for.

Posted by: Common Sense at September 15, 2015 02:22 PM (TEi09)

123 102 How about this for a compromise? Pass a bill to continue PP funding, but forbid any use of fetal tissue.
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It's already against the law. That's one reason those being filmed are so nervous.

Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2015 02:22 PM (TxJGV)

124 Pro-life people have exactly one way to make any significant progress in eliminating abortion in this country. That is to elect a Republican president next year who is consistently pro-life. Period. That's your option.

Of the 16 people running, at least 14 of them are. Trump isn't one of them.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:13 PM (ljZD2)

Yes, Yes, Trump will shut down the government to make sure PP has funding if Repubs send him a bill without PP funding.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 02:23 PM (LXJ1e)

125 If there were some funding and a creative team behind it, it would be easy to do ads on this with a tag line:

DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD NOW! CALL YOUR CONGRESS PERSON NOW.

Guess nobody wants to do that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 15, 2015 02:23 PM (dKQ1C)

126 "But hell, let's all take a flyer on someone who can't make money with casinos in Atlantic City."

Oh, that's an easy thing to do, then, is it?

A simple business model? Only a cretin could fail at it?

Before we go any further on this, where's your profitable casino located?

Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 02:23 PM (noWW6)

127 Trump holds the same position as those who created the compromise PP bill. At least he did in his interview in August. Of course his positions are subject to change.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 15, 2015 02:23 PM (e3JIL)

128 Second we had a Republican President who was firmly opposed to abortion, GWB. He had two years of a Republican congress. It did not go away then.

Because filleeebuster! We needed comity!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 02:23 PM (CiLUq)

129 Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 02:11 PM (NOIQH

I've read that may be apocrypha.
I used to think it was sad, then I look at the piles of baby shoes I was gifted that my kid won't wear. (She also kicks off any socks we put on her.)

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 15, 2015 02:23 PM (tM4uk)

130 "He's better than Mitch or Boehner."

If that's what you sincerely think, then encourage him to run for the Senate from Kentucky or the House from OH CD8.

Your approach to solving a Congressional leadership problem is to fuck the entire country. Please rethink that approach.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:23 PM (ljZD2)

131 Two things, they have never shutdown the government yet. That was BS Democrat PR forwarded by the press. The last so called S/D only hit a few parks.
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THIS.

Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2015 02:24 PM (TxJGV)

132 OT - Seattle's Richard Sherman slams BLM leader "King Noble"

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/dylan-gwinn/2015/09/14/ richard-sherman-blasts-black-lives-matter-activist

remove spaces

Posted by: rebel flounder at September 15, 2015 02:24 PM (1DH1V)

133 Pro-life people have exactly one way to make any significant progress in eliminating abortion in this country. That is to elect a Republican president next year who is consistently pro-life. Period. That's your option.

Because ONLY having majorities in both houses of Congress couldn't *possibly* be enough to enact any part of the Conservative agenda. No, we must have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, 300 seats in the House, the Presidency, and he'd better appoint 7 brand new conservative Justices to the supreme court, just to be sure.

Nope. Done here. The Republicans have lied to me since *at least* 2002. Done with it. Burn it the f*ck down.

Yes, I know the Republican "leadership" has said they won't shut down the government for anything. That you don't see that as part of the problem speaks volumes.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 02:24 PM (kff5f)

134 Will they shut down the government over this? No.

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Why do the fiscons not support the shutting down of government? Is there anything more fiscally conservative?

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 02:24 PM (gmeXX)

135 sheesh, Pixy .

Can you at least have your format agree with a generic text editor without adding random <br>s to the text?

I'm straining my comments through 3 different "fixers" right now.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 02:24 PM (0dcbp)

136 I think politically Trump is taking the best stance: sure, stop the stuff people are upset about but women, good for women, good for women, women, keep that.

It appeals to both sides of the issue at once, almost as if Mr Triangulation Bill Clinton is behind the scenes helping him with strategy and what to say. You know, the guy that called him and told him he should run, according to Trump.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 15, 2015 02:24 PM (39g3+)

137 Actually I think Trump is much better prepared than Obama was. Trump has had executive experience

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 15, 2015 02:25 PM (dKQ1C)

138 I agree with Vic. Electing a "pro-life" Relublican gets us jack. We are dealing with fake pro-life Republicans. They either don't care about the issue or are secretly pro-cutting up babies. That line of argument does not sell.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 15, 2015 02:25 PM (2x3L+)

139 How can any thinking human support the wholesale butchering of innocent babies? Then selling the parts?

And how can anyone on the Pro-Life side do anything except stop it? It doesn't need to be slowed down, it needs to be stopped immediately and those responsible for it prosecuted.

Abortion is murder. Plain and simple.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 02:21 PM (LUgeY)

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About 49% are "Ready for Hillary" to keep it going. And will laugh at you for even mentioning it.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 02:25 PM (LXJ1e)

140 >>> Like the new version of your nic.

Hah - it's a Rik Mayall movie.

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Traveler's Cheques at September 15, 2015 02:26 PM (3ZtZW)

141 Your approach to solving a Congressional leadership problem is to fuck the entire country. Please rethink that approach.

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I like to think of Trump as my approach to solving a separate, independent branch problem that has ceded all of its power over to the executive. Perhaps, if there was a true loose cannon in the WH, Congress would reassert itself.

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 02:26 PM (gmeXX)

142 109 Trump said that the reason his Atlantic City casino failed was that he opened an all-you-can-eat buffet in the same state Chris Christie was governor

Posted by: MAx at September 15, 2015 02:26 PM (LAliD)

143 Sure, I want to stop abortion, but as the left has shown, it's tough to make big steps suddenly. You just gradually turn the ratchet one way, with small, incremental steps towards the ultimate goal. States are trying to do it, with more restrictions on facilities, timelines, etc. Why not do the same here, instead of going for the whole enchilada at once, and scaring of the votes to accomplish anything?

Posted by: Grimaldi at September 15, 2015 02:26 PM (qc4jR)

144 133: Nope. Done here. The Republicans have lied to me since *at least* 2002. Done with it. Burn it the f*ck down.

DITTO

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at September 15, 2015 02:26 PM (DlmoZ)

145 Douchebag Jeremy Corbyn refused to see the national anthem at the Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Celebration. What an asshole!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 15, 2015 02:26 PM (iQIUe)

146 Your approach to solving a Congressional leadership problem is to fuck the entire country. Please rethink that approach.

You have it reversed. You want the harvesting of children's organs to continue unabated because challenging it could harm the party.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 02:26 PM (CiLUq)

147 143: .....but as the left has shown, it's tough to make big steps suddenly

One word to reply on why that is a false statement:
OBAMACARE

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at September 15, 2015 02:27 PM (DlmoZ)

148
It's already against the law. That's one reason those being filmed are so nervous.
Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2015 02:22 PM (TxJGV)

Yep. They even cite the statute in the video. Punishable by criminal fines and/or up to ten years' imprisonment.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 02:28 PM (2Ojst)

149 Second we had a Republican President who was firmly opposed to abortion, GWB. He had two years of a Republican congress. It did not go away then.

It did partially go away. At least the funding. I'm sure you've heard of the Mexico City Policy?

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 15, 2015 02:28 PM (e3JIL)

150 Yes. 8 years of Republican control and we have NOTHING to show for it as far as ending abortion.

It's almost as if the same (R)s that prevented conservative legislation and function back then are still preventing conservative legislation and function now.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 02:28 PM (0dcbp)

151 "But, pray tell, how in the world would we _be able to tell_ if any of
these establishment figures were in fact "consistently pro-life" in
their philosophies and policies?"

Excellent question.

I would start with legislators who are running by looking at any bills or amendments they have sponsored to advance the pro-life cause, and at their voting record on pro-life bills and issues.

For governors, I'd look to see how they dealt with pro-life issues in their states, i.e., did the de-fund PP to the extent they are able to within current law?

It isn't really that hard to figure out.

As Walker likes to remind people, his administration in Wisconsin de-funded PP years ago, before any of these videos came out. Past performance is usually a good indicator of future results when discussing politicians.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:28 PM (ljZD2)

152 >>I used to think it was sad, then I look at the piles of baby shoes I was gifted that my kid won't wear. (She also kicks off any socks we put on her.)

Heh. If there's one thing a kid will teach you is that they will be, and do what they want regardless of your plans. Personality is right there from the beginning

On a more personal note, we weren't sure my son would make it first the first week and all the stuff in the nursery felt like dead-weight while the whole time he was in the hospital.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 02:29 PM (NOIQH)

153 About 49% are "Ready for Hillary" to keep it going. And will laugh at you for even mentioning it.

Sadly, that validates my first sentence.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 02:29 PM (LUgeY)

154 143
Incrementilism, is how the left accomplishes all its goals. See SSM.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 15, 2015 02:30 PM (BHl9S)

155 As Walker likes to remind people

Walker speaks?

huh.

Who knew?

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 02:30 PM (0dcbp)

156 143
Sure, I want to stop abortion, but as the left has shown, it's tough to
make big steps suddenly. You just gradually turn the ratchet one way,
with small, incremental steps towards the ultimate goal. States are
trying to do it, with more restrictions on facilities, timelines, etc.
Why not do the same here, instead of going for the whole enchilada at
once, and scaring of the votes to accomplish anything?

Posted by: Grimaldi at September 15, 2015 02:26 PM (qc4jR)

So far the "ratchet" has always turned to the left and has never shifted back one iota. Its the "overton window" syndrome.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 02:30 PM (t2KH5)

157 "Perhaps, if there was a true loose cannon in the WH, Congress would reassert itself."

May I introduce you to the President of the United States, Barack Obama?

As Wayne Campbell once famously said, perhaps monkeys might fly out of your butt.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:31 PM (ljZD2)

158 154 143
Incrementilism, is how the left accomplishes all its goals. See SSM.

Legal in all 50 states just ten years after it was defeated in almost all of them!

Posted by: Anthony Kennedy at September 15, 2015 02:31 PM (CiLUq)

159 They make money from charging women (usually poor) for abortions. They get paid through taxpayer funding. They get corporate sponsorship. They get money through tax-exempt charity contributions.

And they get paid handsomely for the baby parts they harvest, even though that's supposed to be illegal.

I should think they could do without at least one of those revenue streams. But the quisling GOPe isn't interested in driving public policy with a winning socially conservative issue.

Posted by: elaine at September 15, 2015 02:31 PM (Y0Piu)

160 On a more personal note, we weren't sure my son would make it first the first week and all the stuff in the nursery felt like dead-weight while the whole time he was in the hospital.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 02:29 PM (NOIQH)

Sorry to hear that.
We refused to buy a crib for quite a while mostly out of fear if we did buy one bad things would happen.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 15, 2015 02:31 PM (tM4uk)

161 147
But a majority of the country still does not accept obamacare.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 15, 2015 02:32 PM (BHl9S)

162 Funny. When Russia moves on the West the blog is overrun by commenters insulting everyone as war mongers. The smallest criticism of Putin draws three or four mystery NICs that complain about all the PaleoNeocons that are (somehow apparently just thinking about pushback) agitating for a full on war with Russia.
THe GOPE wants to give cover to Democrat policies and a few people point it out and bingo, a half dozen commenters trashing Trump and the whole premise that the Republicans can do anything. Funny, very very funny.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at September 15, 2015 02:32 PM (NHtMs)

163 "Perhaps, if there was a true loose cannon in the WH, Congress would reassert itself."

May I introduce you to the President of the United States, Barack Obama?

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Let me clarify - a loose cannon who does not enjoy the support of his party?

Would the GOP just go along with Trump? Perhaps.

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 02:32 PM (gmeXX)

164 Seriously, the DOPe and their shills are so much like the loser ex who keeps coming around. "No, baby, this time it'll be different! I've turned my life around! I swear!"

So you take 'em back once or twice. By time 3 or 4, "No deal. I'm glad you turned your life around. Just do it somewhere else."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 02:32 PM (kff5f)

165 >>>> Sure, I want to stop abortion, but as the left has shown, it's tough to make big steps suddenly. You just gradually turn the ratchet one way, with small, incremental steps towards the ultimate goal. States are trying to do it, with more restrictions on facilities, timelines, etc. Why not do the same here, instead of going for the whole enchilada at once, and scaring of the votes to accomplish anything?
Posted by: Grimaldi at September 15, 2015 02:26 PM (qc4jR)

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I agree with you in general, but these are extraordinary times. Like Obama in his first election as first real black president. People that have been dug in the movement, given money, given time have run out of patience with that line of thought. We need to see results not excuse making and delaying bullshit tactics. Enough.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 15, 2015 02:33 PM (2x3L+)

166 149
Second we had a Republican President who was firmly opposed to abortion,
GWB. He had two years of a Republican congress. It did not go away
then.

It did partially go away. At least the funding. I'm sure you've heard of the Mexico City Policy?

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 15, 2015 02:28 PM (e3JIL)

They passed the "Hyde Amendment" which prohibited funding abortions but they did not cut funding to PP and abortion is about all PP does. All money is fungible. IOW that amendment was smoke and mirrors.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 02:33 PM (t2KH5)

167 Would someone please explain why we voted these Republicans into Congress?

Posted by: logprof at September 15, 2015 02:33 PM (vsbNu)

168 "Douchebag Jeremy Corbyn refused to see the national anthem at the Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Celebration. "

O/T-Didn't know who that was so I had to look him up.

Secondly, God Bless those Few on this Battle of Britain Day.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 15, 2015 02:33 PM (AbFmZ)

169 It's hard to respond to this anymore.

These people are gladly, and sometimes gleefully, conducting this under the table maiming and profiteering.

Like an underground mafia.

And no one wants to touch this.

Are the congressmen and women even looking at these videos? I guess not, because if so, there should be people in jail already.

but, save the trees, cry, chain yourselves to them and save the trees - oh and the gd califnornia smelt

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 15, 2015 02:33 PM (qCMvj)

170 America is great because it is good.
When America ceases to be good, it will cease to be great.

Posted by: Alexis deTocqueville at September 15, 2015 02:33 PM (cN9Sk)

171 Would someone please explain why we voted these Republicans into Congress?

Stockholm Syndrome.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 02:34 PM (kff5f)

172 160 On a more personal note, we weren't sure my son would make it first the first week and all the stuff in the nursery felt like dead-weight while the whole time he was in the hospital.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 02:29 PM (NOIQH)

Sorry to hear that.
We refused to buy a crib for quite a while mostly out of fear if we did buy one bad things would happen.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 15, 2015 02:31 PM (tM4uk)

When my son was born, I watched one nurse look at another and say somberly, "he's not breathing." He went to the NICU.

We thought he was going to die.

He's three now, thank God.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 02:34 PM (CiLUq)

173 "8 years of Republican control and we have NOTHING to show for it as far as ending abortion."

Well, in fairness, those Republicans were very very busy.

Giving us two failed overseas wars, a giant spike in domestic spending, Medicare Part D, Sarbanes-Oxley, ethanol mandates, light bulb bans, the DHS, the TSA, Harriet flipping Miers proposed for the Supreme Court, John flipping Roberts installed as the head of the Supreme Court...

They just forgot about abortion. Plumb slipped their minds.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 02:34 PM (noWW6)

174 " Would someone please explain why we voted these Republicans into Congress?"

At the time I thought I was doing the right thing, fighting the Dems and the left, trying to keep some vestiges of the country we once had.

Now, just a sucker.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 15, 2015 02:35 PM (AbFmZ)

175 Would someone please explain why we voted these Republicans into Congress?
Posted by: logprof at September 15, 2015 02:33 PM (vsbNu)

I was listening to Tammy Wynette's

D.I.V.O.R.C.E today... just sayin'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9J7XE-ctMU

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 15, 2015 02:35 PM (qCMvj)

176
Before we go any further on this, where's your profitable casino located?

Posted by: torquewrench

He has it next to the govt run whorehouse.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 02:35 PM (sgrzZ)

177 They just forgot about abortion. Plumb slipped their minds.

Funny, it was always mentioned in fundraising appeals...

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 02:35 PM (CiLUq)

178 47 And don't think God doesn't notice.

God is very patient but by his actions Obama continues to scratch his face daily using his middle finger towards God. That's why I ask for forgiveness of my own sins and the those of the country daily and implore God's mercy.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 15, 2015 02:03 PM (dKQ1C)

Yep

Posted by: Northernlurker at September 15, 2015 02:36 PM (4rzL1)

179 171
Would someone please explain why we voted these Republicans into Congress?

Stockholm Syndrome.

They only hit us because they love us.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 02:36 PM (0dcbp)

180 Giving us two failed overseas wars

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I'm not going to defend the other things on your list, but disagree with this statement.

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 02:36 PM (gmeXX)

181 >>> So far the "ratchet" has always turned to the left and has never shifted back one iota. Its the "overton window" syndrome.

True.
And I used to think the saving grace would be the technology advancements.

You know. How the incubators are so good, so fast, that they'll become artificial wombs in short order. So that a pregnant woman with an 18wk fetus could just pop it in there and walk away rather than kill. The whole question would then be so stark and everything. And moot.

But, now that I know so much more about it all, I realize they're killing 30wk breathing and crying *babies* so it doesn't really matter, does it? The question is already moot and stark and all that.

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Traveler's Cheques at September 15, 2015 02:36 PM (3ZtZW)

182 "8 years of Republican control and we have NOTHING to show for it as far as ending abortion."

Oh, and let us not forget that masterful piece of policy innovation which really summed up the last time Republicans controlled the House, Senate and White House all at the same time. Proving that yes indeedy, they could _get things done_.

The envelope please...

::: drumroll :::

... and the winner is...

"Freedom fries."

Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 02:36 PM (noWW6)

183
They passed the "Hyde Amendment" which prohibited funding abortions but they did not cut funding to PP and abortion is about all PP does. All money is fungible. IOW that amendment was smoke and mirrors.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 02:33 PM (t2KH5)

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If I recall the original Hyde amendment prevented funding to any group that performed abortions. And also prevented abortions from being performed at government hospitals.

Somehow that changed.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 02:36 PM (LXJ1e)

184 173
Heckuva job

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 15, 2015 02:37 PM (BHl9S)

185 Actual reductions in abortions are occurring in the states, as a result of state governors and legislators, all Republican, making changes in the law. Clinics are shutting down all across the country.

There are at least 3 governors in the race who have done all of these things already, not just talked about them. But, who do people want to support? The guy who has been openly pro-abortion his entire life.

And one of the most conservative governors regarding abortion and practical results on these issues had to quite last week because of low polling and dried up fund-raising.

It's amazing. People say they want something done, there are people who have a track record of doing what the people say they want, and the people turn away from them to look at the squirrel. Fucking amazing.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:38 PM (ljZD2)

186
Before we go any further on this, where's your profitable casino located?

"Abraham Lincoln, sixteenth President of the United States of America had to declare bankruptcy in 1833 due to failed business."

Couldn't even make a general store work in the 1860's.

Loser.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 02:39 PM (0dcbp)

187 because it is good.
When America ceases to be good, it will cease to be great.
Posted by: Alexis deTocqueville at September 15, 2015 02:33 PM (cN9Sk)

Depravity seems to be kicking the snot out of goodness these days. But fortunately it's not over yet.

Posted by: Northernlurker at September 15, 2015 02:39 PM (4rzL1)

188 Mr. Dent plans to offer a bill similar to the one written by the Republican senators Susan Collins of Maine, Mark S. Kirk of Illinois and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska that would only defund those specific clinics -- about seven in three states, Mr. Dent said -- while leaving the funding in place for the scores of other Planned Parenthood clinics in the country.

LOL. reminds me of Barky imposing sanctions on seven Russian individuals in response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Well ... these three Vichy GOP lowlifes are just following their leader.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 15, 2015 02:39 PM (zc3Db)

189 "Certainly, everything we provide--oh, gonads! Oh my God, gonads. Everything we provide is fresh.

Okay, this just jumped out at me... not the quote itself, I saw that: the break. Like the fact they "provide...gonads" is teh awesome! She gets all excited when post-abortion gonads jump into her brain as being provided "fresh."

I think I'm going to go puke now.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 02:40 PM (kff5f)

190 Harvesting organs for money would put them "afoul of the law"? What is this law of which you speak?

Have you not read my Obamacare opinions? They clearly articulate the proposition that there is no law, other than what the Ruling Class wants. Which may change from time to time and under otherwise identical circumstances.

There is no law other than what I say it is! And I reserve the right to change my mind!

Now return to your dank hovels and take your impertinent demands with you, serfs.

Posted by: Sir John Roberts of the Order of the Black Robe at September 15, 2015 02:40 PM (SGtBn)

191 but, save the trees, cry, chain yourselves to them and save the trees - oh and the gd califnornia smelt

Hypocrites. All of them.

I remember the end of a Vince Flynn (IIRC) book where the protagonist confronts a lefty congresscritter in a closed door security meeting. Blasts said critter for saying something about preserving lives while supporting abortion. Liked that, I did.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 02:40 PM (LUgeY)

192 185 Actual reductions in abortions are occurring in the states, as a result of state governors and legislators, all Republican, making changes in the law. Clinics are shutting down all across the country.

There are at least 3 governors in the race who have done all of these things already, not just talked about them. But, who do people want to support? The guy who has been openly pro-abortion his entire life.

And one of the most conservative governors regarding abortion and practical results on these issues had to quite last week because of low polling and dried up fund-raising.

It's amazing. People say they want something done, there are people who have a track record of doing what the people say they want, and the people turn away from them to look at the squirrel. Fucking amazing.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:38 PM (ljZD2)

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If these guys were so great and all, they would be at the top. Simple as that.

I know this, if Trump got an appropriation bill without PP funding, he'd sign it, no questions asked.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 02:40 PM (LXJ1e)

193 "Douchebag Jeremy Corbyn refused to see the national anthem at the Battle of Britain 75th Anniversary Celebration. "

I know someone who has voted Labor at least once. This kind of thing will not endear Jeremy Corbin to them. This person chose to become an English citizen. He's too extreme even for this liberal person I know.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 15, 2015 02:41 PM (dKQ1C)

194 If I recall the original Hyde amendment prevented funding to any group that performed abortions. And also prevented abortions from being performed at government hospitals.

Somehow that changed.

Posted by: Make America Great Again

I don't understand. If the Hyde amendment was already in place why did our brave President Obama sign that executive order banning OCare funding of abortion? Never mind, I'm sure the Republican majority has looked into it and simply can't do anything about it without a majority of DC Metro workers voting Republican.
Next time!

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at September 15, 2015 02:41 PM (NHtMs)

195 Fresh, not frozen.

Posted by: Margaret's Meat Market at September 15, 2015 02:41 PM (W5DcG)

196 I apologize for multiple posts but I'm holding out for a euchatastrophe, which I define as catastrophe for evil. Or catastrophic good.

Posted by: Northernlurker at September 15, 2015 02:42 PM (4rzL1)

197 The GOPe has devolved to the point that it's core principles are nothing but talking point bullets on PowerPoint slides. Ask them to defend them and the projector is turned off, the screen is rolled up and they scurry for any door that has an exit sign over it.

STAND AND FIGHT.
Yes, we know that Obama will veto the legislation. We get that. Make him do it. Put him on the defensive. Draft the legislation to defund PPFA NOW. Pass it in the House. Screw Harry Reid and pass it in the Senate on a simple majority vote. Send it to the WH along with a DVD of these videos (unedited only). When it is on his desk, pretend you are McCain and race for the nearest cameras and hold a presser.

State:
1) This is what PPFA is doing.
2) It is Illegal and here are the statutes they are violating
3) Therefore we are defunding them
4) Oh, BTW, they are NOT the only game in town. There are so many other providers of women's healthcare available besides them. Contact your physician and he will gladly refer you.
5) And at any time the phrase "War on women" comes up - change it to we are trying to stop the "War on Children". Then simply say FYNQ

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at September 15, 2015 02:42 PM (DlmoZ)

198 And nothing will happen.
Fuck the ghouls at PP and the assholes at GOPe.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 15, 2015 02:42 PM (R8hU8)

199 Actual reductions in abortions are occurring in the states, as a result of state governors and legislators, all Republican, making changes in the law. Clinics are shutting down all across the country.

You have links for all this, I'm sure, or is this going to be like when I pointed out the GOP went weak-kneed on RFRA in Indiana and you said I was a homophobe?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 02:42 PM (CiLUq)

200 In that video, the PPFA staff make comments about the demand for Gonads.
Gee, did they get all of those from the GOPe?

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at September 15, 2015 02:43 PM (DlmoZ)

201 1830's-1860's rather.

He had several failed businesses pre-Presidential run.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 02:43 PM (0dcbp)

202 Posted by: Mortimer

Below is a list of some of the famous people who have filed for bankruptcy or had severe financial problems before the modern bankruptcy code was adopted. Please note that most of these folks had their great success and fame after their bankruptcies.

Donald Trump, financier
Michael Jackson, singer
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, composer
Kim Bassinger, actress
Mike Tyson, boxer
Mark Twain, humorist
Burt Reynolds, actor
Thomas Jefferson, patriot and president
Gary Coleman, child actor
MC Hammer, rap singer
Willie Nelson, country singer
Lorraine Bracco, "The Soprano's" actress
Charles Goodyear, inventor of vulcanized rubber
PT Barnum, circus promoter
L. Frank Baum, author of "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz"
Mathew Brady, Civil War photographer
Oscar Wilde, playwright
Jerry Lee Lewis, rock singer
Rembrandt, painter
Henry Heinz, ketchup magnate
Milton Hershey, chocolate magnate
Henry Ford, auto magnate
Johnny Unitas, football player
Wayne Newton, entertainer
Mickey Rooney, actor
Debbie Reynolds, actress
John Connally, former Texas governor
Walt Disney, creator of Mickey Mouse
Mick Fleetwood, rock singer
Merle Haggard, country singer
Ulysses S. Grant, president and Civil War general
Dorothy Hamill, figure skater
Larry King, talk show host
Bowie Kuhn, former baseball commissioner
Stan Lee, comic book creator of "Spider Man"

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 02:43 PM (sgrzZ)

203 "Abraham Lincoln, sixteenth President of the United States of America had to declare bankruptcy in 1833 due to failed business."

Once is not 4 times.

There are something like 16 casinos run by American Indian tribes in Wisconsin. I would love for Scott Walker to turn to Trump tomorrow night and offer to set up a meeting between him and the tribes so he could learn how to run a casino without going bankrupt. They could even offer to let Trump, how do you say it?, be their "apprentice" to learn the business successfully.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:44 PM (ljZD2)

204 BREAKING: White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest: We will not accept North Korea as a nuclear state.

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Whew! that's load off my mind.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 15, 2015 02:44 PM (XUKZU)

205 Trump speech Alabama:

Women's health issues--we're going to fix it.

My wife came up to me the other day and she said "It's really sad because people don't understand how you cherish women."

I will protect women. It's so important to me. So important.

And I heard some of the other candidates - Jeb and some of the others the other day saying we're not going to fund various women's health issues. Can you believe this?

I said, "That's the end of his election."

Women, I don't think, like that too much. Do we agree?

And he said, we're not going to fund women's health issues.

A few hours later, he came back and said he said he misspoke. Oh, okay. He misspoke.

But women's health issues--so important.

Posted by: Fatman at September 15, 2015 02:44 PM (mcm0N)

206 Club for Growth is doing a $1mm anti-Trump ad buy in Iowa.

http://lat.ms/1FdiIvP

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 15, 2015 02:44 PM (JtwS4)

207 It was just about 2 years ago I could endorse and support Republicans and recommend voting for the party sometimes. Just a couple years. There's just been one knife in the back too many.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 15, 2015 02:44 PM (39g3+)

208 I'm making a career of evil.

Posted by: Blue Baby Cult at September 15, 2015 02:45 PM (W5DcG)

209 State:
1) This is what PPFA is doing.
2) It is Illegal and here are the statutes they are violating
3) Therefore we are defunding them
4) Oh, BTW, they are NOT the only game in town. There are so many other providers of women's healthcare available besides them. Contact your physician and he will gladly refer you.
5) And at any time the phrase "War on women" comes up - change it to we are trying to stop the "War on Children". Then simply say FYNQ

This. So much of this.

Yes. *OF COURSE* TFG would veto the legislation, but it would cost him. He would have to expend *some* energy and political capital to have the veto upheld. He would lose support.

If we'd done this kind of thing with the most egregious offenses since the beginning, he'd be a complete lame duck by now. There would be no "Iran deal" because he wouldn't have the political clout to provide necessary cover for the Democrats.

Of course, that would require an opposition party...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 02:45 PM (kff5f)

210 I don't understand. If the Hyde amendment was already in place why did our brave President Obama sign that executive order banning OCare funding of abortion? Never mind, I'm sure the Republican majority has looked into it and simply can't do anything about it without a majority of DC Metro workers voting Republican.
Next time!
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at September 15, 2015 02:41 PM (NHtMs)

If I remember correctly the Hyde amendment has to be reauthorized every year (not sure why).

Obamacare's order dealt with providing an abortion free health care plan.

I'd have to go back to verify everything, because my memory if murky here.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 02:45 PM (LXJ1e)

211 "You have links for all this, I'm sure, or is this going to be like when I
pointed out the GOP went weak-kneed on RFRA in Indiana and you said I
was a homophobe?"

Yeah, I never said that. To you or anyone else.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:45 PM (ljZD2)

212 The GOP needs to play by Democrats rules and those rules are simple: "Fuck those other guys."

When the Democrats say NO to something that is the cue that you need to ram legislation down their throats that hurts the institutions and beliefs that they love. You make it hurt them. Badly. And it has to hurt bad enough that it forces them to rethink their position a little bit and makes them come back and say "Ok, we can negotiate on this a teensy bit."

And that's when the GOP needs to just tell the opposition that their opinions and views on a topic are not even going to be considered, oh and fuck you, and you pass ANOTHER bill without any of their input. You quite literally ram it down their throats and politely point out that you are just simply doing what they have done over and over and over.

You continue the process of attacking the institutions and things that MATTER to the Democrats so that it continues to hurt. It makes them whine and howl about how unfair it is. "Oh you really want money to go to this left wing pet project? Denied bitches."

You take away their ability to add pork to a bill. You take away their ability to influence anything being considered. You tell them "fuck you" straight to their faces and invoked the so-called "nuclear option" on everything. Because if you don't make it painful for them they will not change.

And sadly you have to punish those gerrymandered Democrat districts all across the country. Who cares about those people anyways since they are solidly, unflinchingly blue blue blue. It's not like those PEOPLE are going to vote GOP so you put the squeeze on their districts. Refuse to allow pork from those districts to be packed into bills. Refuse to let those districts ideas to ever leave committees. Pass legislation with those popular feel good names like "The Sunshine and Unicorn Candy Day Act" which destroys those bluest of blue districts institutions and cuts off funding.

Banish those districts and their representatives to a wasteland of scorched earth, dust and rock and refuse to entertain anything coming out of them.

Why? Because we are in the "Fuck You" era of politics. Negotiation and compromise are for suckers -- that's why Democrats demand it of the GOP -- and thats why the GOP just needs to go all in on the Democrats. Deep. And Dry.

Posted by: Nevyan at September 15, 2015 02:46 PM (zxWyw)

213 >>For sale: baby brains. Harvested fresh.

For sale: baby brains. Unwanted. Fresh.

Because what greater crime is there than being unwanted?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 15, 2015 02:46 PM (0NdlF)

214 a meeting between him and the tribes so he could learn how to run a casino without going bankrupt.

Step 1- pay no taxes.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 02:46 PM (kff5f)

215 a - These baby ghouls are running amok, protected by a blind media, and both sides of the political establishment
b -
The political establishment is blinded by the assimilation wave of
lawbreaking, illegal bodies that are demanding their swig at the
Government teetc - we can expect (at least) 10K and upwards of 100K of the Syrian 'migrants', which we are to take glad-fully.d - All the while, our financial\citizen-based future is swirling down the bowl...We. Are. Fuqued.

Posted by: Fred Zeppelin at September 15, 2015 02:46 PM (zL/eJ)

216 "Once is not 4 times"

"Thomas Jefferson filed for bankruptcy several times, including after
leaving office, possibly because he threw around a lot of cash on food
and wine."

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 02:46 PM (0dcbp)

217 5) And at any time the phrase "War on women" comes up - change it to we are trying to stop the "War on Children". Then simply say FYNQ

Ding ding motherfucking ding!

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 02:46 PM (cN1tG)

218 Yes. *OF COURSE* TFG would veto the legislation, but it would cost him. He would have to expend *some* energy and political capital to have the veto upheld. He would lose support.

If we'd done this kind of thing with the most egregious offenses since the beginning, he'd be a complete lame duck by now. There would be no "Iran deal" because he wouldn't have the political clout to provide necessary cover for the Democrats.

Of course, that would require an opposition party...
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 02:45

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Apparently, it is the GOPe strategy to give him everything he wants to that he does have to suffer any political capital.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 02:47 PM (LXJ1e)

219 It's amazing. People say they want something done, there are people who have a track record of doing what the people say they want, and the people turn away from them to look at the squirrel. Fucking amazing.

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Frankly, I'd prefer it if govt did a whole lot less of everything and didn't ask anybody's opinion about that. Personally, I hate all politicians so don't take that personally unless you want to.

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Traveler's Cheques at September 15, 2015 02:47 PM (3ZtZW)

220 Damn these bastards to hell, and they can take the GOPers with 'em, the useless sacks of shit.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 15, 2015 02:47 PM (wtvvX)

221 Posted by: trumpetdaddy

Every casino in Atlantic City has gone bankrupt. I think there is only one left there now.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 02:47 PM (sgrzZ)

222 "And nothing will happen"

What will happen is the GOPe will find some way to cave while at the same time give them cover. Maybe not this bill, but another, sometime. It's what they do.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 15, 2015 02:47 PM (AbFmZ)

223 Wow , wrg500.

U.S. Grant. ?

Couldn't make the payments on the tomb for ...whathisname, I guess?

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 02:48 PM (0dcbp)

224 a meeting between him and the tribes so he could learn how to run a casino without going bankrupt.

Step 1- pay no taxes.

No need for any other steps.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 02:49 PM (cN1tG)

225 "Thomas Jefferson filed for bankruptcy several times, including after

leaving office, possibly because he threw around a lot of cash on food

and wine."

Yeah, that's a recommendation for Trump. Elect me, I'm as profligate as Jefferson.

Does he impregnate his slaves, too?

Also, I don't remember hearing that Trump was literate enough to have read the Declaration of Independence, let alone capable of having written anything like it. No, "The Art of the Deal" doesn't count.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:49 PM (ljZD2)

226 Posted by: Mortimer
Yep Grant. General store. Only thing he was good at was fighting and drinking.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 02:50 PM (sgrzZ)

227 Might as well take a flyer

If they won't offer a good choice might as well make an entertaining one.

Posted by: DaveA at September 15, 2015 02:50 PM (DL2i+)

228 Charlie Dent holds the seat once held by Sen. Pat Toomey, who was pro-choice before switching to run against Arlen Specter.

The district is Allentown-Bethlehem, PA, former steelworkers and Mack Truck folks Kind of moderate. Used to be a swing seat but Dent has nailed it down. I know the guy. Nice man but he's a weather vane.

Posted by: CJ at September 15, 2015 02:50 PM (9KqcB)

229 can we edit the video so they PP offend islam somehow.
then the jihadist will take care of the problem.

Posted by: rexeffect at September 15, 2015 02:50 PM (wH5Tk)

230 What will happen is the GOPe will find some way to cave while at the same time give them cover. Maybe not this bill, but another, sometime. It's what they do.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 15, 2015 02:47 PM (AbFmZ)

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Their cover is to pressure the pro-life groups into not assigning PP funding as pro-abortion. You know, so they won't take a ding on their sterling pro-life records.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 02:51 PM (LXJ1e)

231 And at any time the phrase "War on women" comes up - change it to we are trying to stop the "War on Children". Then simply say FYNQ

Their dictionary says it's not a child until it's breathing air.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 15, 2015 02:51 PM (W5DcG)

232 "Step 1- pay no taxes."

Trump has tried that, too. Didn't work so well for him.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:51 PM (ljZD2)

233 Afoul of the law? Well, ha ha.

Posted by: Hillarrhoids at September 15, 2015 02:52 PM (wAQA5)

234 231: Their dictionary says it's not a child until it's breathing air.

You are right. But I dare say, based on some of the content of these videos, some of these aborted babies had breathed.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at September 15, 2015 02:52 PM (DlmoZ)

235 >>> The GOP needs to play by Democrats rules and

use projection? Kinda wondering how that would work. "Democrats are lying and hate their own base!"

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Traveler's Cheques at September 15, 2015 02:52 PM (3ZtZW)

236 Also, I don't remember hearing that Trump was literate enough to have read the Declaration of Independence

You wouldn't listen if you had. You have the bug. Bad.

You are the one tossing around bankruptcy as the ultimate test of a potential President. I am simply pointing out that you are operating under a false premise.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 02:52 PM (0dcbp)

237 1) This is what PPFA is doing.
2) It is Illegal and here are the statutes they are violating
3) Therefore we are defunding them
4) Oh, BTW, they are NOT the only game in town. There are so many other providers of women's healthcare available besides them. Contact your physician and he will gladly refer you.
5) And at any time the phrase "War on women" comes up - change it to we are trying to stop the "War on Children". Then simply say FYNQ

Great. But aside from the veto, the Democrats would throw a fit and lock down Washington, blame the GOP, the press would say "GOP so desperate to kill women they shut down government" and so on.

At least, that's how the Republicans fear it will play out. Never mind that no government shut downs actually cost the Republican Party one single problem in later elections, they're terrified of it - so much so they vowed to never have it happen.

So all the Dems have to do is mention the word shutdown and the GOP rolls over and pees themselves like a whipped dog.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 15, 2015 02:53 PM (39g3+)

238 Don't know what made this imagery pop into my head, and this is slightly O/T but everybody recalls the movie Braveheart?
Remember King Longshanks? That is Obama.
Remember his "soft" son Prince Edward? That is the GOPe.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at September 15, 2015 02:53 PM (DlmoZ)

239 Pro-life people have exactly one way
to make any significant progress in eliminating abortion in this
country. That is to elect a Republican president next year who is
consistently pro-life. Period. That's your option.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:13 PM (ljZD2)
==========================

I don't think you understand the depth of distrust, or perhaps contempt, of the GOP. I cannot speak for everyone here, obviously, but even you can see no one else makes arguments like these here on this particular board, for the very good reason that those here do not believe a single word the candidates say.

Trump may be confused as to his position on abortions, and may indeed have few or no policy positions I particularly like, but he is exposing the terrible insincerity of the other candidates. On a whole host of issues too, and not just immigration.

One thing I do know: Voting Republican is not only not the only option", it may not even be an option.

If there was any one single victory the GOP could point to, anything at all, they might be able to say "give us another chance, please!", but there isn't. Nothing. Voting for a Republican is exactly the same as voting for Hillary. No difference. And please don't torture us with SCOTUS appointments, unless you can explain Anthony Kennedy, John Roberts and David Souter along with your comment.

Maybe I will feel differently once a candidate emerges from the swamp but, right now, there isn't much I like about the GOP.

Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2015 02:54 PM (TxJGV)

240 But there is a point in your maniacal screed, TD .

I have a question that I would like to ask but I am afraid that it will get willow'd as soon as I post it. I may just hold off and see what ace puts up next.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 02:54 PM (0dcbp)

241 Posted by: Mortimer

I'm of the position, Trump had a couple company out of hundreds go bankrupt? Big deal, law of averages.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 02:54 PM (sgrzZ)

242 GOPe - baby choppin' is not a hill to die on.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 02:54 PM (LXJ1e)

243 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:51 PM (ljZD2)

Well, it helps when it's legal for you.

Nice attempt at deflection by the way.

I wonder why you're so rabidly anti-Trump. I mean, if he's as awful as you say, and so stupid, and completely unacceptable to anyone with an IQ north of 60, wouldn't you think he'd flame out all on his own? Wouldn't all the durm und strang be completely wasted effort?

Heck, I think Ben Carson is going to be an afterthought -when I think about him at all- and it doesn't offend my sensibilities at all that he's #2 over all the Party Darlings.

Did Trump personally kick your puppy or something?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 02:54 PM (kff5f)

244 And no one wants to touch this.

Are the congressmen and women even looking at these videos? I guess not, because if so, there should be people in jail already.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 15, 2015 02:33 PM (qCMvj)

Funny story. They held an open viewing of all the videos to date in the congressional office building. It was an empty showing.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/pee3ffr

It's really not surprising to me. Liberal support for abortion goes beyond politics and ideology. It goes beyond logic and reason. In many cases, it goes beyond emotion. It is a religious devotion, a sacrament of humanism, the worship of personal autonomy.

How do you think they can call the videos "deceptively edited" without ever having watched a second of them? That's not a conclusion reached by reasoning, it's a proclamation of faith. "Faith is the evidence of things unseen," as it's said.

Posted by: Hal at September 15, 2015 02:54 PM (hmPdt)

245 Yeah, I never said that. To you or anyone else.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:45 PM (ljZD2)

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86&post=358012#c23959967

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 02:55 PM (CiLUq)

246 Every casino in Atlantic City has gone bankrupt. I think there is only one left there now.

Crook County, IL started allowing one-armed bandits a few years ago. All the bars have them and little gaming shops in strip malls are everywhere. Those things have got to be taking a chunk away from the big boys in Vegas and elsewhere. Though the big boys probably own them.

Posted by: dartist at September 15, 2015 02:55 PM (j/ekO)

247
"Everything we provide is fresh."
........................

Everyone attending the PP company picnic and BBQ is glad to hear that.

Posted by: wth at September 15, 2015 02:55 PM (wAQA5)

248 Yep Grant. General store. Only thing he was good at was fighting and drinking.

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And beard growing.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 15, 2015 02:55 PM (XUKZU)

249 Honest Question:

Does Donald Trump understand concepts like 'separation of powers' and 'Constitutional republic'?

Does he understand 'natural law' and 'inalienable rights'? 'Consent of the governed'?

Does he know that these things matter to those that are currently thronging his arenas?

Does he even civics?

Because he never frames anything in those terms and spends his time in his bully pulpit calling people 'disasters'. (They are. But still.)

He needs to hire somebody to put some Jefferson and Adams in his rants.He's smart. If he repeats it enough he may start to get it. And believe it.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 02:56 PM (0dcbp)

250 Republicans can go to hell if they don't stop this from happening.

Posted by: dogfish at September 15, 2015 02:57 PM (2/WhT)

251 "You are the one tossing around bankruptcy as the ultimate test of a
potential President. I am simply pointing out that you are operating
under a false premise."

It's not the ultimate test, to be sure. But, it's a good one. 4 times is kind of excessive, don't you think?

Sort of like having had three mail-order brides. One, I'll grant a fella, but three? A little bit excessive.

Being an adult is hard, especially for the 229 million of us who didn't have Daddy give us 150 million dollars worth of apartments as a college graduation gift. But most of us manage to stay married and not stiff our creditors, at least not more than once or twice for both things.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:57 PM (ljZD2)

252 VanDerhei refers to payments for fetal tissue as "donation for remuneration," which carries the connotation of financial reward or benefit without regard for actual expenses.

You gotta love the Orwellian terms the left comes up with. Its not a sale, its a "donation for renumeration!" We didn't sell anything, we donated it and they donated right back!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 15, 2015 02:57 PM (39g3+)

253 Great. But aside from the veto, the Democrats would throw a fit and lock down Washington, blame the GOP, the press would say "GOP so desperate to kill women they shut down government" and so on.

And that would be the time for someone in the GOP to stand up and say, "It's not women being killed. They survive. It's defenseless children who are being killed then dissected and sold for parts." And don't back down.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 02:57 PM (LUgeY)

254 237: Great. But aside from the veto, the Democrats would throw a fit and
lock down Washington, blame the GOP, the press would say "GOP so
desperate to kill women they shut down government" and so on.

At least, that's how the Republicans fear it will play out. Never
mind that no government shut downs actually cost the Republican Party
one single problem in later elections, they're terrified of it - so much
so they vowed to never have it happen.

So all the Dems have to do is mention the word shutdown and the GOP rolls over and pees themselves like a whipped dog.

That is the heart of the problem of the GOPe. But this bill must not be tied to any other piece of legislation. Must be a standalone piece of legislation. Keep it as clean a bill as possible. And if they had any gonads, stand and fight it out. Is it going to get ugly? Oh yeah, and fast. Let it. Pass these videos out on USB sticks/DVDs every time you stand in a camera. Play those videos in the background whenever you have a presser. The MSM won't be your friend but you still need them.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at September 15, 2015 02:58 PM (DlmoZ)

255 What has happened to the supposed finding that PP performs no mammograms? I read a few weeks ago that a federally-produced list of approved providers did not include PP at all.

If true, THAT is a devastating finding that must be made public - it shows PP's claimed raison d'être other than abortions is be an outright lie.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at September 15, 2015 02:58 PM (UeZGr)

256 I'm of the position, Trump had a couple company out of hundreds go bankrupt? Big deal, law of averages.

Posted by: wrg500

yep .

Capitalism is based on risk which implies potential failure.

The only people I know who reap the benefits of the Capitalist system without ever suffering loss are the career politicians.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 02:59 PM (0dcbp)

257
"Everything we provide is fresh."
.......................

Forget scientific experiments, call the pygmy cannibals!

Posted by: wth at September 15, 2015 02:59 PM (wAQA5)

258 Posted by: dartist

What killed AC is the casinos opening in PA, MD and De. Travelling from Va to AC I would pass 3 Casinos, 2 in the first hour. Why drive to AC?

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 02:59 PM (sgrzZ)

259 "Did Trump personally kick your puppy or something?"

AllenG, you're saying that it's not possible to oppose Trump based on dispassionate reasoning?

If trumpetdaddy's zeal strikes you as odd, bear in mind that he's battling 8 or 9 commenters who are outright hero-worshippers of Trump, who seem immune to any reason. It's almost as though you can't reason a man out of a position that he didn't reason himself into, or something.

Posted by: Pastafarian at September 15, 2015 02:59 PM (LqrRo)

260 Grant is a hero of mine even though he was far from perfect. He was a guy who took licking after licking but kept on coming, in the war and in his personal life. As he was dying of throat cancer, he wrote his memoirs for the purpose of supporting his family. A trooper to the end.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 15, 2015 02:59 PM (XUKZU)

261 "Everything we provide is fresh."

For some reason, I thought of Anita Bryant and those old orange juice ads...

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Traveler's Cheques at September 15, 2015 02:59 PM (3ZtZW)

262 Honesty, I don't give a damn if this country burns if the government is unwilling to stop this barbarism.

Posted by: dogfish at September 15, 2015 02:59 PM (2/WhT)

263 >>>But it is inaccurate and dishonest to try to make it seem as if his proposal is the official "Republican" stance on PP and baby body parts trafficking. Because it isn't.

Right, the actual GOP position is to take a meaningless vote which they know they'll lose and move on.

and yes I know this.

Posted by: ace at September 15, 2015 03:00 PM (dciA+)

264 Does Donald Trump understand concepts like 'separation of powers' and 'Constitutional republic'?

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I'm not really sure I care if he does or doesn't? I want those who feel that their powers are being trampled to understand - not the one who is doing the trampling.

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 03:00 PM (gmeXX)

265 Being an adult is hard, especially for the 229 million of us who
didn't have Daddy give us 150 million dollars worth of apartments as a
college graduation gift.

Capitalism without risk? Class warfare? "Soak the rich"?

I have heard this type of rhetoric. Somewhere...

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 03:00 PM (0dcbp)

266 I'm not really sure I care if he does or doesn't? I
want those who feel that their powers are being trampled to understand -
not the one who is doing the trampling.

Posted by: SH

I feel exactly the same.

But I just want to know, you know?

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 03:01 PM (0dcbp)

267 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:57 PM (ljZD2)

So what you're saying is that Trump used a written function of the law (bankruptcy protection) multiple times to turn "150 Million" into, literally, billions of dollars of net worth and a brand known globally.

And you're calling this a problem.

Sure, if I were hiring a saint I might have a problem with it, but I'm not. I'm trying to hire a guy to lead the country. And what you're telling me is that Trump is just the kind of rat-bastard we need (provided we can make sure he continues to see America's Interests as his own).

Okay, I'm sold.

Hey! Trumpetdaddy has been trying to *support* Trump this whole time. Dude, why didn't you just say so?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 03:01 PM (kff5f)

268 What killed AC is the casinos opening in PA, MD and De. Travelling from
Va to AC I would pass 3 Casinos, 2 in the first hour. Why drive to AC?

Yep, same for Vegas I bet. Especially for the old-timers with all the money.

Posted by: dartist at September 15, 2015 03:02 PM (j/ekO)

269 It's not the ultimate test, to be sure. But, it's a good one. 4 times is kind of excessive, don't you think?

Nope. He's still less than 1/2 of 1 percent failure out of HUNDREDS of companies he owns.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 03:02 PM (sgrzZ)

270 @245. Awww, somebody is butt-hurt. The comment you linked is specifically me commenting on what a waste of time and energy it was to go hard after the pro-SSM people when most people could give a shit about it, and how especially stupid it is for conservatives to defend a racist Democrat flag put up by racist Democrats to get racist Democrats to vote for them back in the 1950s and 60s.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 03:02 PM (ljZD2)

271 But most of us manage to stay married and not stiff our creditors, at least not more than once or twice for both things.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 02:57 PM (ljZD2)

I heard that Trump also forced all of those investors and creditors to do business with his company.
Even after the third BR.
The guy must be a very good salesman.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 15, 2015 03:03 PM (R8hU8)

272 and after all the blustering....the GOP will write a sternly written letter to PP......and go have some drinks....

Posted by: MrKnowItAll at September 15, 2015 03:04 PM (uJK1E)

273 " Though the big boys probably own them."

I'd be very surprised if they weren't involved somehow. On the "DL", you see.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 15, 2015 03:04 PM (AbFmZ)

274 >>> bear in mind that he's battling 8 or 9 commenters who are outright hero-worshippers of Trump, who seem immune to any reason.

1] don't think that's accurate. They/we don't worship the man.

2] not immune to reason, but the replies are not speaking to us, either. We're giving the honest reasons for our support, and saying you have little or nothing to offer us. That's called a clue.

3] vitriol in response just drags everything down. Why bother with it? Makes you feel better?

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Traveler's Cheques at September 15, 2015 03:04 PM (3ZtZW)

275 battling 8 or 9 commenters who are outright hero-worshippers of Trump, who seem immune to any reason

Names or you're lying.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 03:05 PM (0dcbp)

276 "The guy must be a very good salesman."

He's an outstanding salesmen. So was P.T. Barnum.

Given the fact that suckers are born every minute, he will probably continue to be an outstanding salesman.

Doesn't mean I have to swallow his "sizzle, not steak," bullshit, though.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 03:05 PM (ljZD2)

277 If trumpetdaddy's zeal strikes you as odd, bear in mind that he's battling 8 or 9 commenters who are outright hero-worshippers of Trump, who seem immune to any reason. It's almost as though you can't reason a man out of a position that he didn't reason himself into, or something.

I know of 2, not "8 or 9." Though there are a growing number on Team Burn it Down (it's nice to be ahead of the times, once the times catch up).

And he has never tried "reason."

And that's okay, we're the Horde, "reason" often happens to other people. But he jumps straight to eleventy every time, and quite often uses arguments that are beyond merely "spurious" to do so.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 03:05 PM (kff5f)

278 Posted by: dartist

And MD is even making it easier for me by building a new one 5 minutes from me just across the river.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 03:05 PM (sgrzZ)

279 Does Donald Trump understand concepts like 'separation of powers' and 'Constitutional republic'?

Why should he be the only one in DC that does?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 15, 2015 03:06 PM (9krrF)

280 "If you're an universal locavore like me, you'll appreciate our commitment to freshness and quality, and, really, why wouldn't you? After all, its for the children."

--fade out: while wearing bloody scrubs in a surgical theater, actor smiles, then pats fetus on head.

Posted by: Moloch, the Grue Grocer at September 15, 2015 03:06 PM (BnOvL)

281 Obviously "headlines" are not a problem because there are no headlines. Drive-by media silent. Mitch McConnell and John Boner do nothing to defund the process. All is well for Planned Abortionhood.

Posted by: BBReggie at September 15, 2015 03:07 PM (K1RXR)

282 Bigby, I didn't realize my comment was vitriolic. If I had time I'd comb back through the hundreds of comments that, to me, appeared to be written about a superhero, instead of a loudmouth showman with bad hair.

Posted by: Pastafarian at September 15, 2015 03:07 PM (LqrRo)

283 Not looking or reading or watching.

So this is where our country is.

Burn it down.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 15, 2015 03:07 PM (9jeGC)

284 Jesus Christ.

Let me clear this up. Very early on, Trump said on Dana Loesch's show that he would support defunding/shutting govt down to stop Planned Parenthood.

Then he said, IN AN OFFICIAL, WRITTEN statement, that if PP's work was only 3% abortions, then he would say they get federal money once they stopping doing abortions period. This was the "women's health issue" comments.

Now, as in very recently, he says he's looked into it more and it looks like PP's business is like 65% abortions, not the 3% or so they claim, so if that's the case he's against funding them.

But please, can we continue with all the lies about his position on this. It's getting beyond ridiculous.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 15, 2015 03:07 PM (q5APL)

285 268
We have an Indian casino near us but we still go to Vegas. No drinking at the tables. No bar.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 15, 2015 03:07 PM (BHl9S)

286 Just by the by:

Guess who else has had business ventures flame out and who has left investors in those ventures stuck with losses?

Rupert Murdoch of Fox. Who now has his various toadies telling us about OMG TRUMP HAD BANKRUPTCIES.

Hmmmm. Seems to me there have been some bankruptcies in the Bush family history, too. But with Roop backing Jeb, you won't hear anything about any of those on Fox any time soon.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 03:07 PM (noWW6)

287 He's an outstanding salesmen. So was P.T. Barnum.

And he went bankrupt also...

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 03:07 PM (sgrzZ)

288 Why should he be the only one in DC that does?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 15, 2015 03:06 PM (9krrF)

Indeed. Though it would be nice.

Of course, as long as a) the rest of the populace seems to be good with a Strong Man presidency and b) the Strong Man happens to be on my side, I'm willing to let it go for now.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 03:08 PM (kff5f)

289 Remember that commenter that told everybody that they were brownshirts and wanted Mexicans killed on boxcars for talking bad about Trump?

Oh wait...

I think you need to do a little research on who is going nucking futs here.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 03:08 PM (0dcbp)

290 Uh oh,the "far right" political parties are rising in Europe.Which means,"still socialist but have the temerity to want to secure their borders".

Posted by: steevy at September 15, 2015 03:09 PM (sPO3u)

291 The comment you linked is specifically me commenting on what a waste of time and energy it was to go hard after the pro-SSM people when most people could give a shit about it, and how especially stupid it is for conservatives to defend a racist Democrat flag put up by racist Democrats to get racist Democrats to vote for them back in the 1950s and 60s.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 03:02 PM (ljZD2)

Actually it was you throwing a tantrum because your dumb claim that the state Republicans were so conservative was completely deflated.

And when challenged, you declared the issues unimportant, and that the GOP shouldn't waste time on voters who care about those issues.

And confronted with his behavior, you again tantrum and accuse me of being 'butthurt.'

So in essence, you are a dishonest arguer.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 03:09 PM (CiLUq)

292 "...can we continue with all the lies about his position on this."

I think you meant to say "positions," plural. As in multiple and varied. Depending on the moon being in the seventh house of Jupiter, or whatever other damn fool thing blows through his head of wonderful, luxurious, terrific, orange hair.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 03:09 PM (ljZD2)

293 But he jumps straight to eleventy every time, and quite often uses arguments that are beyond merely "spurious" to do so.

I had a back-and-forth on twitter earlier regarding l'affair Trump (yeah, I know). What it seems to me is that they're not so much responding to Trump as the rejection of the GOP--some folks just aren't ready (yet) to accept the true nature of what the GOP is.

As I said, President Trump would be a trainwreck--but it may be a necessary corrective at this stage. And if it either forces the GOP to confront its sins--or gets it out of the way so a suitable replacement may form--so much the better.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 15, 2015 03:09 PM (9krrF)

294 Can we talk about polling?

The more candidates you have, the smaller the sample size for particular subsets and the larger the margin of error.

Add to all of that Trump is the first celebrity candidate for President from prime time television.

The polling for that kind of candidate is dort of a one off and therefore you cannot get any kind of trend line for that.

It's a phenomena, a one off and therefore near impossible to predict or make meaningful conclusions about.

After the pollster lists 17 candidates...the name recognition for Trump could be a disproportionately huge factor.

Posted by: Fatman at September 15, 2015 03:10 PM (mcm0N)

295 "But please, can we continue with all the lies about his position on this."

Breathless hyperbole is what we do best. Along with losing our shit over an off-hand comment, declaring a politician dead to us, self-flagellation, hairshirt wearing, and ash bedaubings.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 15, 2015 03:10 PM (hLRSq)

296 and b) the Strong Man happens to be on my side, I'm willing to let it go for now.

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With Trump, I'm not sure the Strong Man will be on my side. Of course, with Jeb I'm guessing he would not either.

Would it be that with Trump as President - being someone who may be distrusted to such an extent by his own party - he would be less Strong Man than Obama because Congress would take back some of its power?

I do not know the answer to that, but one can hope.

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 03:10 PM (gmeXX)

297 And for all you pro-life purity testers, riddle me this Batman, where were all these fuckers when the GOP ran every fucking branch of government AND STILL FUNDED PLANNED PARENTHOOD.

Where were you????!!! All you GWB voters, were you protesting him? Decrying him??

No, of course not. Spare me the fucking purity test. Even though Trump's ACTUAL, OFFICIAL position has been dead on balls with a solid pro-life position on these monsters.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 15, 2015 03:11 PM (q5APL)

298 After the pollster lists 17 candidates...the name recognition for Trump could be a disproportionately huge factor.

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Agree completely.

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 03:11 PM (gmeXX)

299 Bigby, I didn't realize my comment was vitriolic. If I had time I'd comb back through the hundreds of comments that, to me, appeared to be written about a superhero, instead of a loudmouth showman with bad hair.

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Not you, sorry. Topic was TD.

But you know, AllenG has the right of it. The support is for Team Burn It Down for the most part and using Trump as a cat's paw for that. The ones arguing against Trump are also arguing to save the Party, so we're all in agreement with what he represents, I think.

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Traveler's Cheques at September 15, 2015 03:12 PM (3ZtZW)

300 seems to me is that they're not so much responding to Trump as the
rejection of the GOP--some folks just aren't ready (yet) to accept the
true nature of what the GOP is.

This is really insightful, thanks.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 03:12 PM (0dcbp)

301 "...or whatever other damn fool thing blows through his head of wonderful, luxurious, terrific, orange hair."

The Donald's scalp-weasel does not like your profanity.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 15, 2015 03:13 PM (hLRSq)

302 I'm glad I'm living rent-free in your head, "Bevel."

How long did it take for you to track down that comment? I appreciate the creative spin, BTW. You'd do well to send a resume over to David Brock. He's always looking for people who have no current employment prospects and lots of time on their hands to dig up comments that can be spun dishonestly.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 03:13 PM (ljZD2)

303 Pro-life people have exactly one way to make any significant progress in eliminating abortion in this
country. That is to elect a Republican president next year who is consistently pro-life.

Yeah that's worked amazingly well for the last 50 years.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 15, 2015 03:13 PM (39g3+)

304 So hold on a second here....the trump whine that Trump won't defund PP - hypothetically since Trump can'd do shit right now - but continue to support GOPe candidates which at this very second COULD defund PP if they wanted to.

You guys are fucking hilarious.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 15, 2015 03:13 PM (0LHZx)

305 Now I'd be interested to hear if Trump would be willing to shutdown the government to protect babies from PP.
"Mr. Trump would you fight to keep the unborn from being chopped and sold like so many Mcnuggets by PP?"

Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 03:13 PM (9221z)

306 As I said, President Trump would be a trainwreck--but it may be a necessary corrective at this stage. And if it either forces the GOP to confront its sins--or gets it out of the way so a suitable replacement may form--so much the better.

Here's hoping that Trump makes that happen. Not the trainwreck part, but the GOPe part.

So far, they have yet to awaken from their slumber to agree with Teh Donald. And they're losing their asses in the polls because of it.

People are sick of not having any representation at all in DC. DT is saying what a lot of have been saying for years.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 03:14 PM (LUgeY)

307 If I were advising Trump, I'd own the bankruptcies and the eminent domain issues on a populism platform. Just tell the people that he took advantage of the laws that Congress passed that were designed to help the rich at the expense of the less off.

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 03:14 PM (gmeXX)

308 Pretty funny Mikey!!

Look, for all those suffering from TDS, the guy basically has taken Huckabee's position on it and had PP state that Trump is reasonable.

Fucking genius stuff. And he's been pretty damn consistent throughout. PP should get no taxpayer funds while they're doing abortions. Period.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 15, 2015 03:15 PM (q5APL)

309 With Trump, I'm not sure the Strong Man will be on my side. Of course, with Jeb I'm guessing he would not either.

Short of immediately selling out to the ruling establishment, Trump can't help but be on my side. He may not be trying to burn it down, but the ruling class will burn it down with themselves inside before they work with him.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 03:15 PM (kff5f)

310 May GOD preserve me from taking HIS HOLY NAME in vain when considering the just fate of these evil bloody devil-whorshiping sonsofbitches at planned butcherhood.

Posted by: Eromero at September 15, 2015 03:15 PM (go5uR)

311 It all looks like chaos to me. And this is just from reading the comments.

Remember. Leftists/marxists want chaos. They NEED chaos.

Posted by: Soona at September 15, 2015 03:15 PM (Fmupd)

312 298 After the pollster lists 17 candidates...the name recognition for Trump could be a disproportionately huge factor.

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Agree completely.
Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 03:11 PM (gmeXX)

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Ahh yes, the old "polls are skewed" argument. Every single poll is wrong about Trump. Yeah that makes sense.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 15, 2015 03:15 PM (0LHZx)

313 He may not be trying to burn it down, but the ruling class will burn it down with themselves inside before they work with him.

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That's the positive I see, though I see it in terms of Congress reasserting itself.

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 03:16 PM (gmeXX)

314 310
Amen.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at September 15, 2015 03:16 PM (DlmoZ)

315 ace should review post 302 in regards to his kinder gentler posting protocols

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 03:16 PM (sgrzZ)

316 One of the least subtle and most blatant bias platforms on the internet is the "trending" feeds on places like Facebook and Twitter. Its so obvious what they pick to promote even if nobody anywhere is talking about it. And they will pick the world's lamest, dumb crap to push.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 15, 2015 03:16 PM (39g3+)

317 As I said, President Trump would be a trainwreck--but it may be a necessary corrective at this stage.

Sometimes you need a bad case of explosive diarrhea to get the bad stuff out.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 03:17 PM (cN1tG)

318 "If I were advising Trump, I'd own the bankruptcies and the eminent domain
issues on a populism platform. Just tell the people that he took
advantage of the laws that Congress passed that were designed to help
the rich at the expense of the less off."

Hell, he's already said that he has bought and sold politicians and the Trumpkins just squealed in ecstasy, "He's a corrupt plutocrat, but he's OUR corrupt plutocrat!"

And I'm the one who gets accused of having "Stockholm Syndrome" for actually wanting a candidate with an actual track record in elected office. These Trump people are positively co-dependent.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 03:18 PM (ljZD2)

319 The support is for Team Burn It Down for the most part and using Trump as a cat's paw for that. The ones arguing against Trump are also arguing to save the Party, so we're all in agreement with what he represents, I think.

Yep. This.

There are some on Team Burn it Down who are not supporting Trump (as in: don't want to vote for him; none of us actually "support" him very much- I'm pretty certain he'll make a terrible president), but most of us realize that a necessary first step to fixing the nation (if it can be fixed) is to have an actual opposition party - and that ain't the DOPe.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 03:18 PM (kff5f)

320 That's the positive I see, though I see it in terms of Congress reasserting itself.

Which would unravel the moment a more sympatico President came along.

Remember: People are the problem.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 15, 2015 03:18 PM (9krrF)

321 298 After the pollster lists 17 candidates...the name recognition for Trump could be a disproportionately huge factor.

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Agree completely.
Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 03:11 PM (gmeXX)

___________

Ahh yes, the old "polls are skewed" argument. Every single poll is wrong about Trump. Yeah that makes sense.

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Actually it does make sense. Candidates who are more well known probably poll better than lesser known candidates.

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 03:18 PM (gmeXX)

322 Iblis:

He just literally fucking said this. Like two or three days ago. ON THE VIEW!!!

Is everyone fucking taking crazy pills???!!!

Posted by: prescient11 at September 15, 2015 03:18 PM (q5APL)

323 317
Can I put in a plug (sorry for that anal ogy) for my brand?

Posted by: Depends at September 15, 2015 03:19 PM (DlmoZ)

324 Just tell the people that he took advantage of the laws that Congress passed that were designed to help the rich at the expense of the less off.

That's been his standard response to any hypocrisy he's called on. Donate to Democrats? "Hey, that's the price of doing business and its something I would change!"

Ahh yes, the old "polls are skewed" argument.

No, not skewed. Just not as completely representational right now. Its why Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton were polling so well earlier - they were the names people recognized and knew. This early in the campaign, only political junkies are paying close attention.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 15, 2015 03:19 PM (39g3+)

325 302 I'm glad I'm living rent-free in your head, "Bevel."

I have a good memory for encountering mentally retarded arguments. You have always stood out.

I just want to make sure people know who they are debating with.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 03:19 PM (CiLUq)

326
Hell, he's already said that he has bought and sold politicians and the Trumpkins just squealed in ecstasy, "He's a corrupt plutocrat, but he's OUR corrupt plutocrat!"

So he plays by the rules as written. Fine.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 03:19 PM (sgrzZ)

327 "Our guys." Who's this "our guys," kimosabe?

Posted by: Smallish Bees at September 15, 2015 03:19 PM (YPgXi)

328 AllenG and Mortimer: Well, they haven't all shown up in this thread*. I could list prescient11, and Make America Great Again, and wrg500, and I could comb back through old threads til I come up with 8 or 9...but then you might ask for links to specific comments.

Just not worth the trouble. So you're right, there are only two commenters here who appear to be pro-Trump to the point that they're immune to reason.

*(I'm surprised that any pro-Trump commenters appeared here; this particular topic does not make Donald look too fabulous. Unless by "fabulous" you mean "of or from a fable -- beyond belief.")

Posted by: Pastafarian at September 15, 2015 03:19 PM (LqrRo)

329 Is everyone fucking taking crazy pills???!!!

We just don't watch The View...

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 15, 2015 03:20 PM (39g3+)

330 Monsieur Mew Mew

Who won the Republican primary last time?

Who was the "winner" in the polling at this same relative interval last round?

Was it Herman Cain?

Posted by: Fatman at September 15, 2015 03:20 PM (mcm0N)

331 Sometimes you need a bad case of explosive diarrhea to get the bad stuff out.

"I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part."

Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 03:20 PM (0dcbp)

332 Posted by: prescient11 at September 15, 2015 03:15 PM (q5APL)

My nick includes "Outrage Outlet" for a good reason.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 15, 2015 03:20 PM (hLRSq)

333 And I'm the one who gets accused of having "Stockholm Syndrome" for actually wanting a candidate with an actual track record in elected office. These Trump people are positively co-dependent.

And homophobes.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 03:20 PM (CiLUq)

334 We'll be getting a president that failed republics usually elect.

Posted by: Soona at September 15, 2015 03:20 PM (Fmupd)

335 People are sick of not having any representation at all in DC.

Last time there was taxation without representation......

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 03:20 PM (cN1tG)

336 319:
Ditto.
And what a show it will be.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at September 15, 2015 03:20 PM (DlmoZ)

337 Actually it does make sense. Candidates who are more well known probably poll better than lesser known candidates.
Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 03:18 PM (gmeXX)

___________

Except that you'd have to be living under a rock - politically speaking - not to know who Ted Cruz or Jeb Bush or Scott Walker or Mike Huckabee is. Remember these polls aren't random adults, they are likely Republican primary voters. It's ludicrous to suggest that all these candidates are stuck in low digits because nobody who will be voting in a primary knows their name.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 15, 2015 03:21 PM (0LHZx)

338 He may not be trying to burn it down, but the ruling class will burn it down with themselves inside before they work with him.

Ok.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 03:21 PM (cN1tG)

339 Sometimes you need a bad case of explosive diarrhea to get the bad stuff out.

"I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part."

"This town needs an enema!"

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 15, 2015 03:21 PM (9krrF)

340 Pro-life people have exactly one way to make any significant progress in eliminating abortion in this country. That is to elect a Republican president next year who is consistently pro-life.

I think the only ways to make any progress on this are either

1. End run around the courts, i.e., constitutional amendment. Because legislative stuff is pretty much DOA if it just gets thrown out. States have tried. or

2. Hearts and Minds. People seem happy to willfully ignore the true nature of much abortion, but 4d ultrasounds and stuff like this planned parenthood scandal make it hard to ignore. IF people will listen. IF people will talk about it, instead of just turning away. People should know.

Posted by: Lea at September 15, 2015 03:22 PM (lIU4e)

341 If Trump is "winning" 25% of the black Republican primary vote how many blacks were repondents in the polling?

Would you bet your house based on that sample size?

Posted by: Fatman at September 15, 2015 03:22 PM (mcm0N)

342 "Sometimes you need a bad case of explosive diarrhea to get the bad stuff out. "

This town needs an enema!

T. Joker

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 15, 2015 03:22 PM (LA7Cm)

343
"What killed AC is the casinos opening in PA, MD and De. Travelling from
Va to AC I would pass 3 Casinos, 2 in the first hour. Why drive to AC?

Yep, same for Vegas I bet. Especially for the old-timers with all the money."

Yup. And Maryland Liveis pretty cool to boot. Table games and everything. No reasonfor anyone from the DC area to go to AC anymore.

Posted by: Benji Carver at September 15, 2015 03:22 PM (OD2ni)

344 Except that you'd have to be living under a rock - politically speaking - not to know who Ted Cruz or Jeb Bush or Scott Walker or Mike Huckabee is.

Have you -met- our electorate...?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 15, 2015 03:22 PM (9krrF)

345 Just not worth the trouble. So you're right, there are only two commenters here who appear to be pro-Trump to the point that they're immune to reason.

Yeah, that's the disturbing thing to me. its one thing to say "hey, the GOP deserves this, maybe it will wake them up!" or "how much worse could we do?" but to say "he's the best man ever who is always right even when he totally and specifically betrays conservative principles I once espoused" is another thing entirely.

Back the guy reluctantly because of the crap we have as alternatives, or because he seems entertaining and with what's coming we could use it? Sure. I can even buy the argument we need someone who actually knows how to run an executive department and administer things from experience.

But to be a huge sycophantic mindless cheerleader? For a politician? That's just sad.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 15, 2015 03:22 PM (39g3+)

346 PLANNED PARENTHOOD HAS ELECTROLYTES! FRESH ELECTROLYTES!

Posted by: Bill Clinton, screaming from the Outer Darkness at September 15, 2015 03:23 PM (vd4oB)

347 Posted by: Pastafarian

I'm not pro or anti Trump, I just don't have the butt hurt you and some others seem to have. I have several I like and they change almost daily at this point.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 03:23 PM (sgrzZ)

348 It's ludicrous to suggest that all these candidates are stuck in low digits because nobody who will be voting in a primary knows their name.

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I think the original argument was that it his name recognition COULD be a disproportionate factor in his polling. I concurred in that, and frankly see no reason not to.

It does not mean it is the sole reason, or even an accurate reason. But it certainly COULD be a factor. One that I buy into. Some of those other candidates are in low digits because they are bad candidates. One may shake out once the number is reduced.

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 03:23 PM (gmeXX)

349 330 Monsieur Mew Mew

Who won the Republican primary last time?

Who was the "winner" in the polling at this same relative interval last round?

Was it Herman Cain?
Posted by: Fatman at September 15, 2015 03:20 PM (mcm0N)

________

No. But did Herman Cain lead because of his name recognition? No.

Polls may or may not mean much right now. My point is that you can't say Trump is leading only because people know who is is from TV. There is anger at the GOPe and Trump's numbers are a reflection of that.

All the excuses I see - he's only leading because he was on TV, he's only leading because nobody is paying attention, etc - are nothing more than saying "don't worry, all is well with the party, carry on". And the people who are saying that are either obtuse or in denial.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 15, 2015 03:23 PM (0LHZx)

350 Remember. Leftists/marxists want chaos. They NEED chaos.

Posted by: Soona at September 15, 2015 03:15 PM (Fmupd)

And they each one imagine that they will end up on top like Stalin when the dog-pile gets sorted out, intentionally forgetting that there is only one Stalin but any number of guys kneeling next to the ditch they just dug.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 15, 2015 03:23 PM (hLRSq)

351 297 No, of course not. Spare me the fucking purity test. Even though Trump's ACTUAL, OFFICIAL position has been dead on balls with a solid pro-life position on these monsters.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 15, 2015 03:11 PM (q5APL)
===========================

Are you making up what you wish were true and then conflating it with what he actually said? It sure seems that way.

Y-not gave you a link where he is quoted at length. You say he believes just the opposite of his own statement. It sounds like you're wrong.

Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2015 03:24 PM (TxJGV)

352 I know several rock solid union loving democrats that swear they are voting for The Donald. It's not just us sick of the establishment.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at September 15, 2015 03:24 PM (jsWA8)

353 Ah jumping jeebus on a jersey gerbil, it's back again. Calling in a TBH3K strike...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 15, 2015 03:24 PM (9krrF)

354 Posted by: Benji Carver

National Harbor will be no more than 5 minutes from me.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 03:24 PM (sgrzZ)

355 Noxious murderers that woud make Hitler blush.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 15, 2015 03:24 PM (659DL)

356 at September 15, 2015 03:23 PM (5nQYp)

Aaaaaand the racist moby is back.

Cleanup, please?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 03:24 PM (kff5f)

357 Except that you'd have to be living under a rock - politically speaking

But I like it under here.

Posted by: Scott "Mr. Excitement" Walker at September 15, 2015 03:24 PM (0dcbp)

358 343
The casino near me, I don't like it in there. A bunch of meth-head losers. We do go to the concerts there though. Saw def leppard a few months ago. It really smells like cigarettes too

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 15, 2015 03:25 PM (BHl9S)

359 Last time there was taxation without representation......

Yep, got that too these days.

Some things never change, like sickos who can't control themselves, but want to control everyone else.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 03:25 PM (LUgeY)

360 249 Honest Question:

Does Donald Trump understand concepts like 'separation of powers' and 'Constitutional republic'?

Does he understand 'natural law' and 'inalienable rights'? 'Consent of the governed'?

Does he know that these things matter to those that are currently thronging his arenas?

Does he even civics?

Because he never frames anything in those terms and spends his time in his bully pulpit calling people 'disasters'. (They are. But still.)

He needs to hire somebody to put some Jefferson and Adams in his rants.He's smart. If he repeats it enough he may start to get it. And believe it.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 15, 2015 02:56 PM (0dcbp)

He's got people for that, top people, the best.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 03:25 PM (LXJ1e)

361 "And homophobes."

Hey, man, perhaps you ought to ask yourself why it inevitably comes out in any thread you decide to get after me, that somehow the word "homophobe" comes up in one of your comments. Dude, I'd love to see where in this thread, prior to you using that word, anybody else used it. Oh, that's right, they didn't.

Do you think I'm gay? Why would you care I was or wasn't? How is it relevant to talking about either PP or Trump? Seriously, you always come back around to "homophobe" in every single thread where you address me.

It's kind of creepy, to be frank about it.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 03:25 PM (ljZD2)

362 rickb223: "Sometimes you need a bad case of explosive diarrhea to get the bad stuff out."

Yeah, well, if you have a tummy ache, I would not recommend swallowing a bottle of veterinary laxative. That's what Trump is: A 16 ounce bottle of full-strength controlled-substance-grade horse laxative.

Worse than that, actually: He's a bottle with no label, or with a dozen labels on top of one another. We have to elect the candidate to see what's in it.

Posted by: Pastafarian at September 15, 2015 03:25 PM (LqrRo)

363 Just running in here throwing poo at everyone.

But I love ya!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 15, 2015 03:25 PM (9jeGC)

364 Except that you'd have to be living under a rock - politically speaking - not to know who Ted Cruz or Jeb Bush or Scott Walker or Mike Huckabee is. Remember these polls aren't random adults, they are likely Republican primary voters. It's ludicrous to suggest that all these candidates are stuck in low digits because nobody who will be voting in a primary knows their name.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew

It's not ludicrous.
You greatly over-estimate the interest of the average voter and the average primary voter in politics.

I doubt more than 40% of registered could put more than 3 names of the candidates to faces. The only consistent one would be trump.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 15, 2015 03:25 PM (JmGFJ)

365 284---But please, can we continue with all the lies about his position on this. It's getting beyond ridiculous.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 15, 2015 03:07 PM (q5APL)
---------------
But please,....
Trump has taken many varied positions on abortion and PP. Those who point this out are not liars. Those who are skeptical about his true views are not ridiculous.

Posted by: Alexis deTocqueville at September 15, 2015 03:25 PM (cN9Sk)

366 "I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part."

This is where I am politically. Its all a cosmic joke, a catastrophe you can't help but just shake your head and laugh at.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 15, 2015 03:26 PM (39g3+)

367 Le NOOD

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 15, 2015 03:26 PM (VPLuQ)

368 Not all of the polls have screened for likely Republican voters, that is patently false.

Hell IIRC New Hampshire is an open primary and therefore in that case it would be perfectly legitimate to poll independents and democrats.

Posted by: Fatman at September 15, 2015 03:26 PM (mcm0N)

369 These monsters could be serving the kids for dinner and the MFM would still ignore it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 15, 2015 03:26 PM (493sH)

370 >>>Still, if anyone had the idea that it was "clumps of cells" being extracted from women's bodies, this ought to disabuse such people of that.

Nobody actually thinks that. They just say it to shut down argument. But no one is actually that dumb. They have always known what they are doing.

We have this thing in America, where we give people the benefit of the doubt, to the point of lunacy. There comes a place when one really ought to acknowledge that they have been getting played for a fool all along, and stop pandering to people who lie to you.

Posted by: Sambo at September 15, 2015 03:26 PM (w1HEl)

371 Why don't we have our own propaganda artists doing to Nazi Pelosi and her henchmen what the left did to McCain, with the fangs and the blood? When do we remind people who the real ghouls are?

Posted by: Strictly from apathy at September 15, 2015 03:27 PM (VQea+)

372
Great... just great.

Horrible.... HORRIBLE day at work ..... and I come here for a bit of release to find the thread *infested* with concern, racist, and MOBY trolls.

I picked a bad week to give up sniffing glue.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 15, 2015 03:27 PM (8XRCm)

373 All the excuses I see - he's only leading because he was on TV, he's only leading because nobody is paying attention, etc - are nothing more than saying "don't worry, all is well with the party, carry on". And the people who are saying that are either obtuse or in denial.

------

I won't speak for others, but I was not saying that. Of course the people are angry, but would the polling be the same if it was some no name who came and said what Trump said? Hard to believe that. Part of his strength is that he is well known. It gives him an advantage and certainly gave him a head start. Up to him to use it (and so far he seems to be doing so).

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 03:27 PM (gmeXX)

374 Jake Tapper's wife works for these ghouls. They'll be no hard hitting investigation from him. He doesn't mind cash off the dead babies.

Posted by: Madamex at September 15, 2015 03:27 PM (d3XGB)

375 OK Ace, do your Banhammer thingy. It's fun to watch.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 03:27 PM (LUgeY)

376 Posted by: Pastafarian at September 15, 2015 03:25 PM (LqrRo)

Maybe not at first, but we've tried all the "safe" remedies, and they haven't worked, either.

It's the unlabeled bottle, or die from the stoppage. I might die by drinking whatever is in the bottle. I *will* die if I don't do something about the stoppage.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 03:27 PM (kff5f)

377 Damn. Persistent troll.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 15, 2015 03:28 PM (LA7Cm)

378 364
rickb223: "Sometimes you need a bad case of explosive diarrhea to get the bad stuff out."

Yeah, well, if you have a tummy ache, I would not recommend
swallowing a bottle of veterinary laxative. That's what Trump is: A 16
ounce bottle of full-strength controlled-substance-grade horse
laxative.

Worse than that, actually: He's a bottle with no label, or with a
dozen labels on top of one another. We have to elect the candidate to
see what's in it.

Well, no matter what we are going to get sh*t on.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at September 15, 2015 03:28 PM (DlmoZ)

379 I wonder what would happen if Obama threatened to veto the CR if it didn't include a neoclassical temple with a giant golden statue of Obama. I'm guessing McConnell would compromise on the burnt offerings.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at September 15, 2015 03:29 PM (EioIi)

380 Do you think I'm gay? Why would you care I was or wasn't? How is it relevant to talking about either PP or Trump? Seriously, you always come back around to "homophobe" in every single thread where you address me.

It's kind of creepy, to be frank about it.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 03:25 PM (ljZD2)

I was astounded of being accused of being one for supporting RFRA.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 03:29 PM (CiLUq)

381 God, if You're Listening, please help us.

As soon as Putin rolls on Israel with his Muslim buddies. It can't be long now...

Posted by: Ian S. at September 15, 2015 03:30 PM (S+N7W)

382 OK Ace, do your Banhammer thingy. It's fun to watch.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 03:27 PM (LUgeY)

I've never seen anyone get banned. Don't they just suddenly stop posting comments? Is it any more interesting than that? Or does Ace ban people with gravitas?

Posted by: Sambo at September 15, 2015 03:30 PM (w1HEl)

383 Like Ace, I'm marginally "pro-choice" (first trimester only, tho), but still want ALL public funding of Planned Parenthood ELIMINATED.

I fully understand that just because I myself would be willing to allow states the keep first-trimester abortions legal, doesn't not mean that think my views should be forced on everyone else.

That's the different between "libertarian pro-choice" and "progressive pro-abortion": people like me (and Ace, I presume) want to maximize individual freedom, whereas progressives want to force their views down everyone's throat.

The closer we move the cut-off dare toward conception, the more people are OK with abortion legality.

And the less we compel public financing of it, the more people are OK with abortion as well.

The "solution" to the seemingly uncompromisable abortion issue is:

- Reverse Roe v. Wade and once again let states decide on a one-by-one basis if they want to make abortion legal;
- Remove all federal funding for Planned Parenthood and similar abortion providers;
- Simultaneously, don't impose a Federal ban on abortions either. Let it devolve to the states, per the Constitution.
- Move the needle back from its current level of "abortion OK to viability (i.e. 5.5 6 months)" back to "abortion OK up to three months" (when the zygote begins to become and embryo and assume human-like form).

Yes, this compromise has components to make everyone unhappy -- but I propose it would be the LEAST level of unhappiness for both sides overall.

Posted by: zombie at September 15, 2015 03:30 PM (jBuUi)

384 Trump has never been inconsistent re PP during this controversy.

What MTH and Y-Not point to are two interviews he gave to CNN and Hannity talking about the non-abortion work that PP does, which is very true.

When people said that those interviews had been inconsistent, Trump's campaign released an OFFICIAL, WRITTEN statement to Breitbart stating that if PP still does abortions, not one dime.

He reiterated that position on the View just recently.

The only people who think he has been inconsistent are either ignorant or FUCKING LYIJNG.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 15, 2015 03:30 PM (q5APL)

385 Its worse than simply taxation without representation although we're getting that.

We are seeing grand social upheaval without representation. We're seeing the very fabric of culture and society being rewritten without representation.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 15, 2015 03:30 PM (39g3+)

386 Posted by: CSMBigBird at September 15, 2015 03:24 PM (jsWA

The unions are getting whacked with the Cadillac tax, they know it's coming.

Posted by: Madamex at September 15, 2015 03:31 PM (d3XGB)

387 "I was astounded of being accused of being one for supporting RFRA."

That's a lot of "astounded" to still be nurturing a grudge over something I didn't say what, two to three months ago?

Hence my use of the word "creepy."

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 03:32 PM (ljZD2)

388 trumpetdaddy may be proof that the RNC has it's own troll factory ala Putin. Which at least would be a step up from ORCA.

Posted by: DaveA at September 15, 2015 03:32 PM (DL2i+)

389
Feets don't fail me now!

Posted by: Kermit Gosnell at September 15, 2015 03:32 PM (9mTYi)

390 I know several rock solid union loving democrats that swear they are
voting for The Donald. It's not just us sick of the establishment.

Me too. I wonder if he's being vague as to specifics of certain issues on purpose. He seems to appeal to a wide range and maybe that's why. No one can nail him down on anything but what they think are insults from him.

Posted by: dartist at September 15, 2015 03:32 PM (j/ekO)

391 wrg500: Sorry if I misinterpreted you.

No, I'm not butthurt. I'm honestly trying to keep emotion out of the discussion. But of course we're all human -- we'll come to conclusions partly because of emotion and intuition, and then we'll use reasoning and argument to dress up our positions and make their origins seem more logical than they really are.

I'm as guilty of that as anyone, I suppose -- but I'm doing my best to prevent my natural revulsion to Trump from coloring my opinion. His statements about women, his bluster, his vigorous embrace of everything low and stupid -- but most of all, that fucking comb-over. I don't think I could take looking at that thing for 4 years.

Now, the Let-It-Burn argument: There is one that is founded in pure emotion -- despair.

Posted by: Pastafarian at September 15, 2015 03:32 PM (LqrRo)

392 "We are seeing grand social upheaval without representation. We're seeing the very fabric of culture and society being rewritten without representation."

His Majesty hath made his will known in the matter.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at September 15, 2015 03:33 PM (EioIi)

393 Trump has never been inconsistent re PP during this controversy.

nice qualifier.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 15, 2015 03:33 PM (39g3+)

394 Posted by: zombie at September 15, 2015 03:30 PM (jBuUi)

There's no market for zygote parts. These hags aren't giving up their new cash cow.

Posted by: Madamex at September 15, 2015 03:34 PM (d3XGB)

395 What many in the GOPe (and den elites) don't comprehend and therefore hate is that Trump is the "big tent" candidate they've always wanted.

His appeal is across the political spectrum. Beck and people that believe as he does should be ecstatic. They're getting exactly what they've been crying for.

Posted by: Soona at September 15, 2015 03:34 PM (Fmupd)

396 The "solution" to the seemingly uncompromisable abortion issue is:

Sure, I'd back that, even though killing unborn babies is murder. Its a huge step in the right direction, which is why the pro-abortion left would die in the streets before allowing a single step toward it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 15, 2015 03:35 PM (39g3+)

397 "Now, the Let-It-Burn argument: There is one that is founded in pure emotion -- despair."

Many would say that despair is one of the unforgivable sins.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 03:35 PM (ljZD2)

398 393 "I was astounded of being accused of being one for supporting RFRA."

That's a lot of "astounded" to still be nurturing a grudge over something I didn't say what, two to three months ago?

Hence my use of the word "creepy."
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 03:32 PM (ljZD2)

I wouldn't be scared, if that's your worry. I see your name and I remember, "oh yeah, that guy called me a homophobe."

And so I snark.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 03:38 PM (CiLUq)

399 5nQYp is banned but it may take a bit to take.

Posted by: ace at September 15, 2015 03:38 PM (dciA+)

400 Well C Taylor, indeed!

In 1999 he was prochoice but hated the concept of abortion.

I can roll with that. I'm more concerned with nuclear global warming and floods of illegals, frankly.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 15, 2015 03:38 PM (q5APL)

401 Now, the Let-It-Burn argument: There is one that is founded in pure emotion -- despair.

I'm more along the lines of wrath m'self.

And yes, I'll have to answer for that in due course.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 15, 2015 03:38 PM (9krrF)

402 TBH3K needed.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 15, 2015 03:39 PM (9jeGC)

403 Quick.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 15, 2015 03:40 PM (9jeGC)

404 beautiful Anglo Saxon stock

The mud people
Posted by: Taking America back

This HAS to be a moby. Trying to sneak boneheaded racism in under the radar to sully AoS.

Posted by: zombie at September 15, 2015 03:40 PM (jBuUi)

405 5nQYp is banned? But where will I come up with my crazy schemes and badly thought-out arguments?

Posted by: Obama at September 15, 2015 03:40 PM (tPytv)

406 The only people who think he has been inconsistent are either ignorant or FUCKING LYIJNG.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 15, 2015 03:30 PM (q5APL)
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If this refers to me, I can assure you I'm neither ignorant nor lying. Trump said one thing in print and you saw him say something else on the View. I've never seen the View by the way, so I didn't see it.

So calm the hell down buddy, and simply have a discussion. Panicked sounding yelling isn't required or appropriate. Nobody is perfect and if Trump has inconsistent positions, OK, but he is in print with at least one of them. Is he with yours?

Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2015 03:40 PM (TxJGV)

407 I know "Taking America bacK" will soon be banned and his comments deleted, but you might want to consider leaving a couple of them up, just for pure comic relief.

He's been banned already, maybe 3 times today, each time coming back with a new nic. That's real persistence. I wonder how many times he'd have to do that, before a blog owner could seek actual legal recourse against the guy -- have him tracked down and sue him, or have some sort of restraining order issued?

Posted by: Pastafarian at September 15, 2015 03:40 PM (LqrRo)

408 This HAS to be a moby. Trying to sneak boneheaded racism in under the radar to sully AoS.

Posted by: zombie at September 15, 2015 03:40 PM (jBuUi)
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Yup

Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2015 03:41 PM (TxJGV)

409 Posted by: Pastafarian at September 15, 2015 03:40 PM (LqrRo)

It's Hector. He's been doing it every day for years.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 03:41 PM (CiLUq)

410 Hector? Sounds like an illegal.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 15, 2015 03:43 PM (tPytv)

411 This HAS to be a moby. Trying to sneak boneheaded racism in under the radar to sully AoS.

I read it as a riff on how the Bush/Boehner/T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII types seem to think: they're the delightful WASPs, and all of us "mud people" in flyover country suck.

But yeah, there's a less charitable interpretation, to be sure.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 15, 2015 03:43 PM (S+N7W)

412 343
"What killed AC is the casinos opening in PA, MD and De. Travelling from
Va to AC I would pass 3 Casinos, 2 in the first hour. Why drive to AC?

Yep, same for Vegas I bet. Especially for the old-timers with all the money."

Yup. And Maryland Liveis pretty cool to boot. Table games and everything. No reasonfor anyone from the DC area to go to AC anymore.
Posted by: Benji Carver at September 15, 2015 03:22 PM (OD2ni)

_______

AC is a shithole.

Las Vegas has reinvented itself to not be just about gambling. It's got shows, nightclubs, top restaurants, etc. Last time I went to LV for a weekend, I didn't bet $1 and still had a kick ass time.

AC on the other hand has crime, more crime, gang crime and did I mention crime?

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 15, 2015 03:44 PM (0LHZx)

413 - Reverse Roe v. Wade and once again let states decide on a one-by-one basis if they want to make abortion legal;

Posted by: zombie at September 15, 2015 03:30 PM (jBuUi)

How do you reverse a scotus decision exactly?

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 15, 2015 03:45 PM (0LHZx)

414 How do you reverse a scotus decision exactly?

Constitutional amendment. or hangings.

Posted by: Obama at September 15, 2015 03:46 PM (tPytv)

415 It takes the same step, a constitutional amendment, to open abortion to the states as it would to outlaw abortion completely.

Once we find a party that can actually control the outcome of policy debates, we should consider term limits for the Supreme Court. It can't get much worse and we'd stop the Senate from trying to build a legacy with each new pick.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at September 15, 2015 03:49 PM (EioIi)

416 prescient11,

Stop calling people "FUCKING LIARS" for things which are, you know, not at all lies, and are simply inconvenient political facts for you.

Posted by: ace at September 15, 2015 03:50 PM (dciA+)

417 - Move the needle back from its current level of "abortion OK to viability (i.e. 5.5 6 months)" back to "abortion OK up to three months" (when the zygote begins to become and embryo and assume human-like form).

Posted by: zombie at September 15, 2015 03:30 PM (jBuUi)

You might have to better define "assume human-like form." Much of the external development (such as distinct head and limbs, even genital development) has taken place by week 8.

Posted by: Hal at September 15, 2015 03:51 PM (hmPdt)

418 395 What many in the GOPe (and den elites) don't comprehend and therefore hate is that Trump is the "big tent" candidate they've always wanted.

His appeal is across the political spectrum. Beck and people that believe as he does should be ecstatic. They're getting exactly what they've been crying for.
Posted by: Soona at September 15, 2015 03:34 PM (Fmupd)

Question: how is Trump any more inconsistent on conservative issues than Romney was?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 03:54 PM (LXJ1e)

419 Donald Trump, to my knowledge, has never filed for personal bankruptcy.

Four business which he owned certainly did, and I can't recall under which chapter. Most likely Eleven for re organization, but even if he liquidated them under other chapters for liquidation, those are only four of a hundred or more businesses he owns, or has owned.

Not a bad record, actually. Consider the percentages of start-up restaurants that don't even make one full year in business, or their (lack of) survival rates to three or five years.

His businesses employ thousands of people, and their paychecks don't bounce.

Unlike lotto winners in Illinois, getting just I.O.U.s from the state.

If Texas ever legalized gambling, I'd love to see a Trump casino here on the island. It'd give Tillman Fertita some much needed competition.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 15, 2015 03:55 PM (McRlu)

420 How do you reverse a scotus decision exactly?
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew

Hmmmm, lemme see -- oh that's right:

1. Elect a non-progressive president. (With Hillary's weakness, entirely possible.)
2. Elect a non-progressive Senate majority. (Already done.)
3. SCOTUS justices retire during president's term. (A few are very old.)
4. President nominates Constitutionalist non-commies to the court.
5. Senate OK the nomination.
6. Pro-life lawyers fast-track a case challenging constitutionality of Roe v Wade to SCOTUS
7. SCOTUS issues new ruling de-federalizing abortion law.

Similar scenarios have happened countless times (previous SCOTUS rulings superseded by new ones).

Completely do-able.

Posted by: zombie at September 15, 2015 03:56 PM (jBuUi)

421 If Texas ever legalized gambling, I'd love to see a Trump casino here on the island. It'd give Tillman Fertita some much needed competition.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted

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Legal gambling here in OK. Tribes have built a couple of really nice casino/resorts on their land. Lot's of visiting Texans.

Posted by: Soona at September 15, 2015 04:02 PM (Fmupd)

422 You might have to better define "assume human-like form." Much of the external development (such as distinct head and limbs, even genital development) has taken place by week 8.
Posted by: Hal

The difference between "week 8" and "first trimester" (usually considered up to week 11.5) is getting down to minutia.

Basically, my sense is that, excluding the pro-abortion absolutists at one end (abortion up to 9 months) and the anti-abortion absolutists at the other end (no pregnancy termination ever from ejaculation onwards), the vast majority of the "undecided middle" are uncomfortable with aborting anything that kinda looks like a baby. If you limit abortions to the phase prior to a baby-like appearance, a majority of the undecideds would be OK with it.

The exact date of that -- 8 week, 11 weeks, whatever -- can be ironed out at that time.

The problem arises because a lot of woman might miss one period (three weeks after sex) and shrug it off as stress or something non-pregnancy related, and it takes missing TWO periods (i.e. 7 weeks after sex) before she really realizes she is pregnant. Then she's got to "consider her options" for a few days at least, and suddenly we're already right at the 8-week cutoff in your scenario. Pushing it back a few weeks to accommodate real-world factors would b=make the hole thing seems more "reasonable" to the middle-of-the-roaders.

Posted by: zombie at September 15, 2015 04:05 PM (jBuUi)

423 >>>413
- Reverse Roe v. Wade and once again let states decide on a one-by-one basis if they want to make abortion legal;

Posted by: zombie at September 15, 2015 03:30 PM (jBuUi)

How do you reverse a scotus decision exactly?

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 15, 2015 03:45 PM (0LHZx)
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Gee... how did people ever get around those SCOTUS decisions like Dredd Scott and Plessy v. Ferguson?

Posted by: Nevyan at September 15, 2015 04:05 PM (zxWyw)

424 hole thing = whole thing

Talk about a Freudian slip!

Posted by: zombie at September 15, 2015 04:07 PM (jBuUi)

425 Now, the Let-It-Burn argument: There is one that is founded in pure emotion -- despair.

Nope. Because whatever we put together after the burning times will be better than this child-murdering, anti-Rule of Law mockery of a republic.

It's Hope, and a little bit of Justice.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 15, 2015 04:07 PM (0NdlF)

426 So why can't Republicans get on message and point to this (and other videos) and simply say "we are not funding Planned Parenthood with taxpayer dollars, but are happy to fund other organizations that provide pap smears, pregnancy tests and the like. If President Obama wants to shut down the government because we refuse to fund such a disreputable organization, that is 100% his choice".

Posted by: Rachel Jeantel at September 15, 2015 04:10 PM (y5bPZ)

427 MTF:

If there has been some written statement that I am missing on this, please let me know where one could construe Trump's position as inconsistent and I'll concede you are correct.

All of the couch fainting about Trump's purported inconsistency literally came from two interviews, which I think occurred on the same day, which he then clarified in a written, official campaign statement to Breitbart.

Those facts are not inconvenient. They are just facts. If someone said that they did not like Trump's interview answers and thought they were wishy washy on the subject, fine, ok.

But to say that Trump has ever advocated for funding PP whilst still performing abortions, as a campaign position, is simply not true.

Again, if I am missing something I'll look at it, but I haven't seen anything on this that is inconsistent. It all goes to those two interviews right after the debate, as best I can recollect.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 15, 2015 04:14 PM (q5APL)

428
nightmare fuel - warning
Why will the politicians not stop this?
Is this some weird reality where Cthulu is real and demands the government sacrifice infants or else?
What benefit is there in giving PP any slack at all? We HAVEAFFORDABLEHEALTHCARE FOR ALLNOW. OBAMACARE
RIGHT.
RIGHT.
RIGHT.
You have NO justification, not even a bullshit one for continuing this evil. END. IT. NOW.
NOT ONE PENNY OF TAXPAYER MONEY.

Posted by: simplemind at September 15, 2015 04:21 PM (5vV+V)

429 426 So why can't Republicans get on message and point to this (and other videos) and simply say "we are not funding Planned Parenthood with taxpayer dollars, but are happy to fund other organizations that provide pap smears, pregnancy tests and the like. If President Obama wants to shut down the government because we refuse to fund such a disreputable organization, that is 100% his choice".

Posted by: Rachel Jeantel at September 15, 2015 04:10 PM (y5bPZ)

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Because a good chunk of Republican office holders are OK with funding PP. They just don't want the rubes to know.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 04:28 PM (LXJ1e)

430 426 They are defeatists. They insist on planning on losing the buzzwar for the weekly polls. They demand that is more important that spending a few hundred billion dollars.

If Pepsi execs ever started out a powerpoint saying "Let's just admit Coke tastes better" they would be fired on the spot. But that's the GOPe strategery.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at September 15, 2015 04:35 PM (EioIi)

431 "All of the couch fainting about Trump's purported inconsistency literally came from two interviews, which I think occurred on the same day, which he then clarified in a written, official campaign statement to Breitbart. "

You know, Nixon clarified that smoking gun in a diary entry later? He just wanted the FBI to remain apolitical. Now don't you feel silly.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at September 15, 2015 04:36 PM (EioIi)

432 426
They are cowards. They have no desire for a fight. As soon as the opposition utters the words "War on..." they curl up in a fetal position with one thumb in their mouth, the other in there .... (you get the picture).

They have allowed themselves to be portrayed as bullies and evil anytime they tried to make a stand on budget battles. They are unable to get the message across.

So instead, they label those in the electorate who want, nay DEMAND, that this be stopped - resort to labelling us as far-right lunatics while reaching into the pockets of big fat-cat lobbyists and businesses.

And mark my words, when it comes time for re-election all we will hear is how it is better to elect them (as bad as they are) because we can't give control of the House or Senate. Better Red than Dead type of argument.

We, the electorate, MUST stop empowering and enabling these cretins. If that means voting for a democrat, 3rd party, not voting for that particular race, what ever - do it. If we re-elect them - we are going to get the same result over and over (see the definition of insanity). Force them out. Keep them out.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at September 15, 2015 04:47 PM (DlmoZ)

433 The single issue pro-lifers are viewed by the Republican Party the same way the Democratic Party perceives blacks: dimwitted cretins who will do anything they ask if patted on the head nicely. And you know what? The problem is these perceptions are in part reality. The average fundie or black in the inner city has so little political sophistication they can be made to believe anything.

Posted by: Let's piss and shit on the pro-lifers //s:// Reince Priebus at September 15, 2015 04:48 PM (6gR7l)

434 #429:

"Because a good chunk of Republican office holders are OK with funding PP. They just don't want the rubes to know."

Hell, they probably own shares in PP suppliers. The Jesus-on-the-Side-of-the-Refrigeration crowd will believe anything, fucking anything, the GOPe claims.

Posted by: Let's piss and shit on the pro-lifers //s:// Reince Priebus at September 15, 2015 04:52 PM (6gR7l)

435 The time for the little pat on the head is over. Its time to kick THEM in the a**.

I would argue the vast majority of the electorate is single-issue. Be it Pro-Life, Pro 2A, getting more free sh*t form the government, Pro Abortion, you name it.

And I'd say this population couldn't care less what the politicians think of them. Certainly the politicians don't give a crap about them.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at September 15, 2015 04:52 PM (DlmoZ)

436 If the GOPe and their ilk - and take note each and every one of you Republican party contenders for office - you want to score points for the conservative base? See my post #197 above. Execute that. Don't do any of that non-binding resolution crap that you have been passing off as opposition to Obamacare. That is a total waste of time and paper.

Write the legislation. Sign it. Pass it. Put it on TFG's desk with the DVD of all the unedited videos. When it arrives on his desk, time a presser in front of the WH with a screen behind you showing some of the most shocking/glaring content of those videos.

Remember - it is NOT a War on Woman. We demand to stop the War ON CHILDREN!

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at September 15, 2015 04:57 PM (DlmoZ)

437 I don't want to get all Holier than Thou, thumping my Bible but,

There will come a time when there is a reckoning. There will be a time when each of us will stand before our God and account for our life and our (in)actions.

Do we want to stand there, looking at our feet when the Almighty himself asks about what did you do for the least of me (in this case the unborn)?

Or would you say, "I stood up. I spoke up. I acted up."

One of these, I believe, will lead to Him saying "Well done good and faithful servant." The other, not so much.

You choose.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at September 15, 2015 05:04 PM (DlmoZ)

438 Posted by: prescient11 at September 15, 2015 04:14 PM (q5APL)
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Yes, it was the interview Y-not linked that i was hoping you would compare to whatever position his campaign says is his position. If he doesnt agree with shutting down PP does he agree with Zombies position? I'm just trying to understand.

Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2015 05:11 PM (9HR8n)

439 They should pray to God that someone like me never takes power.

Posted by: setnaffa at September 15, 2015 05:22 PM (BtRXi)

440 Conservatives who don't really care about abortion need to think about this issue and get involved anyway.

The GOPe is screwing us just as badly on every issue you care about as well. Sooner or later, they're going to sell us all out, from national security to gun rights.

Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression at September 15, 2015 05:24 PM (Z+7WE)

441 Multiple choice portion of the test. Choose the best answer.

1. "Everything We Provide Is Fresh." This is the motto of _____
A. Fresh Foods
B. The Roadside Farm Market
C. Trader Joe's
D. Planned Parenthood
E. All of the above

Posted by: LochLomondFarms at September 15, 2015 05:49 PM (qIBzj)

442 The problem arises because a lot of woman might miss one period (three weeks after sex) and shrug it off as stress or something non-pregnancy related, and it takes missing TWO periods (i.e. 7 weeks after sex) before she really realizes she is pregnant. Then she's got to "consider her options" for a few days at least, and suddenly we're already right at the 8-week cutoff in your scenario. Pushing it back a few weeks to accommodate real-world factors would b=make the hole thing seems more "reasonable" to the middle-of-the-roaders.
Posted by: zombie at September 15, 2015 04:05 PM (jBuUi)

I realize your argument is entirely practical. Fair enough. Political reality being what it is, we're unlikely to get a total ban any time soon, but at least partial bans would be a good start. I just see, "Well it looks like a baby" as an entirely arbitrary criterion.

Posted by: Hal at September 15, 2015 06:04 PM (nzmxZ)

443 63 I suddenly realized what a terrible mistake I've
been making. All this time I've been comparing Planned Parenthood to
Pick-A-Parts, where if you need a new driver's-side door and a taillight
assembly for your Buick, you show up with a set of wrenches and buy the
part you need at a discount, taking it from a wrecked car. It suddenly
dawned on me that I've been using a bad metaphor.

It's not Pick-A-Parts. It's Souplantation, and Planned Parenthood is the buffet line. Everything they provide is fresh.

Posted by: Qoheleth at September 15, 2015 02:06 PM (iIzG7)

Close, but I'd say it's more like they wait for someone to drive by in a Buick, carjack them, and then sell the parts.

Posted by: not the droid you seek at September 15, 2015 10:32 PM (LbiPn)

444 Ace, you've probably had this explained a billion times, as re: what Niall F said on that video -- but you know how I worry...
He mentioned acting "on the hoof" -- e.g., flying by the seat of one's pants (a perfect visual for the clusterfuck that was the admin's reax to Egypt).

Posted by: wankette at September 16, 2015 04:09 AM (Ad3rB)

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