Obama: We Should Remember 9/11 By Agreeing To Take In At Least 10,000 Syrian Refugees

Not actually what he said but the timing draws one to that thought.

The proposed resettling of at least 10,000 Syrian refugees would be allocated out of a U.S. quota of 75,000 refugee admissions slated for next fiscal year, beginning October 1, a senior administration official said.
That quota applies to refugees from all over the world and is set at the beginning of the fiscal year, but Obama can raise that quota if there's a crisis.
Already, a Senate aide said that Kerry had told senators that "they'd seek an additional increase beyond that," referring to the 75,000 quota.
"He gave a range of numbers," the aide said. Kerry mentioned a potential new total as high as 100,000, as well as other possible maximum numbers, according to the aide.

Swell.

What could go with bringing refugees into the US from nations torn apart by Islamic terrorism? Oh, right.

Let's be honest about a few things....

-The situation in Syria is terrible. It's a staggering humanitarian crisis.

-Many if not most of the people fleeing are probably ordinary people who mean no harm to us.

-History has shown that large pools of Islamic refugees in the US and the west will become recruiting grounds for terrorist groups.

-Some of those refugees or their American born children will become terrorists.

-If we refuse to let them in, we won't have to face these particular problems.

Proponents of resettlement will say things like, "Oh we can screen them very well it'll be fine. Why do you hate brown people?" Don't buy their happy talk.

We don't know what percentage of people we bring here will become radicalized but a certain percentage will.

The question is, what level of increased threat and how many actual terrorist attacks are you willing to take because of your feels? For me the answer is zero. The only way to ensure that there is no threat is to not admit this group in these large numbers. We are going to wind up plopping a large number of them down in some area, like we did with Somalis in the 90s. Most won't become terrorists but some will be unable or unwilling to adjust to the west and find themselves targets for recruitment. This is just an undeniable reality.

So what's your priority? Humanitarian relief knowing you will pay for it in terrorism to one degree or another down the road or security?

For me it's security and the only way to ensure it from this cohort of refugees is abstinence.

I'm closer to Rand Paul than I am Marco Rubio on the surveillance state. I'll be damned if you tell me I have to keep accepting a bigger security state while willing you're importing more threats.

In a way this is the Holy Grail of government...we need more security and bigger government, we should also import more threats, now that we've imported more threats we need bigger government, and so on and so on and so on. It's the self-licking ice cream cone.

But as Peggy Noonan points out, it doesn't matter what the littles want or don't want. The elites want open borders and by God they will have them.

Rules on immigration and refugees are made by safe people. These are the people who help run countries, who have nice homes in nice neighborhoods and are protected by their status. Those who live with the effects of immigration and asylum law are those who are less safe, who see a less beautiful face in it because they are daily confronted with a less beautiful reality—normal human roughness, human tensions. Decision-makers fear things like harsh words from the writers of editorials; normal human beings fear things like street crime. Decision-makers have the luxury of seeing life in the abstract. Normal people feel the implications of their decisions in the particular.
The decision-makers feel disdain for the anxieties of normal people, and ascribe them to small-minded bigotries, often religious and racial, and ignorant antagonisms. But normal people prize order because they can’t buy their way out of disorder.
People in gated communities of the mind, who glide by in Ubers, have bought their way out and are safe. Not to mention those in government-maintained mansions who glide by in SUVs followed by security details. Rulers can afford to see national-security threats as an abstraction—yes, yes, we must better integrate our new populations. But the unprotected, the vulnerable, have a right and a reason to worry.

It's a WSJ piece so here's the link to the Google search return (via Jeff B.)

I enjoy a good "I told you so" as much as anyone but I will not enjoy the inevitable proof of how terrible this decision is because it will be demonstrated in blood.

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:31 AM

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1 Hey, wait. The Ewok slumbers on.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 11, 2015 11:33 AM (9mTYi)

2 All those poor, suffering dead Syrians.

For some reason, that makes me want to eat sweets and dance in the streets.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 11, 2015 11:33 AM (AC0lD)

3 Where did I learn that?

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 11, 2015 11:33 AM (AC0lD)

4 King Putt wanting to import 10,000 more fellow travelers of Jihad is akin to EPA wrecking Colorado's aquifer to "save it."

Luap Darn can't see the forest for the trees.

Posted by: @sven10077-callsign Charon at September 11, 2015 11:34 AM (g8Hfr)

5 Dim bulb he is.

Posted by: dogfish at September 11, 2015 11:34 AM (jWtyG)

6 Islam delenda est.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 11, 2015 11:34 AM (YEelc)

7 He says 9/11 is about whatever the f$#@ he's pushing at the moment.

It's already been hijacked by Obama to be a "National Day Of Service" - so, basically just another day we're supposed to paint inner-city schools and serve food to the homeless.

http://www.serve.gov/?q=site-page/september-11th-national-day-service-and-remembrance

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2015 11:34 AM (NOIQH)

8 Canada's Harper has been very good in rejecting all the calls for admitting refugees and we're in the middle of an election campaign.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 11, 2015 11:36 AM (AC0lD)

9 >>For me it's security and the only way to ensure it from this cohort of refugees is abstinence

Silly Ace!
We all know how abstinence is impossible - just go with your impulses and we'll provide you what we think is the best solution to the mess we've engineered! (Hint: moar progressivism)

Posted by: Progressives at September 11, 2015 11:36 AM (NOIQH)

10 Today is a day of rage and bitterness.

Posted by: @votermom at September 11, 2015 11:37 AM (cbfNE)

11 7 Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2015 11:34 AM (NOIQH)

They push that "national day of service" horsefuckery to try to draw false equivalence between LWNJs getting their SJW moonbat on and military service.

Posted by: @sven10077-callsign Charon at September 11, 2015 11:37 AM (g8Hfr)

12 8
Canada's Harper has been very good in rejecting all the calls for
admitting refugees and we're in the middle of an election campaign.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 11, 2015 11:36 AM (AC0lD)

It's always the middle of an election campaign!

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 11, 2015 11:37 AM (HalrA)

13 Heh. Drew said "swell."

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 11, 2015 11:37 AM (VAsIq)

14 And, as we've been so rudely reminded, our opinion does not matter. You are a subject, not a citizen.

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 11, 2015 11:37 AM (QFjNO)

15 Poor Drew...everyone thinks he's Ace unless they read the byline.

Posted by: @sven10077-callsign Charon at September 11, 2015 11:37 AM (g8Hfr)

16 Ship them to Dearbornistan and build a wall around the place.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2015 11:38 AM (8WSy/)

17 I'm pretty sure there were Syrians dancing in the streets on 9/11, so yeah, the answer of how many actual terrorist attacks am I willing to potentially take for feelz is zero for me too.

Posted by: dogfish at September 11, 2015 11:38 AM (jWtyG)

18 I would be happy to take in Christians or Jews, but no f'n Muslims.

The ones we already have should be deported. Where? I don't care.

Posted by: rickl at September 11, 2015 11:38 AM (zoehZ)

19 Wish I could remember where I read it, but the refugees are already being recruited for jihad in German mosques.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 11, 2015 11:38 AM (C278+)

20 Wait, so DrewM is Ace? I'm confused..

(looks around warily)
Or maybe everyone else is.

Posted by: Grey Fox at September 11, 2015 11:38 AM (bZ7mE)

21 It's already been hijacked by Obama to be a "National Day Of Service" - so, basically just another day we're supposed to paint inner-city schools and serve food to the homeless.

Give Shit Away, Forget About the Dead. Think Only of Your Unworthy Soul.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 11, 2015 11:38 AM (xpmPK)

22 As I mentioned yesterday, the answer is for the US, along with any ally that wants to join in, to seize control of a sizeable land area on the coast of Syria to make a "safe zone" for refugees.

Use temporary tents and things for the immediate needs, but start building a permanent town/towns. Expand the area as needed and declare that it will be a US protectorate for at least the next 100 years.

This approach will allow us to use colonialism to solve the Middle East problem while being praised as saviors to the refugees.

Also, it keeps them in or near their own country.

Posted by: jwest at September 11, 2015 11:39 AM (Zs4uk)

23 This is ultimately the failure of compassionate conservatism.

Yeah, I know, people get tired of the "Bush's fault" nonsense, but I'm sorry, it is.

Unless you can guarantee to control the outcome of a conflict, and unless you are going to be in power for the entirety of its aftermath, eventually someone will come along and lay at YOUR doorstep, the detritus of your efforts.

It doesn't matter how "compassionate" or even how competent you were when it started. Eventually someone with less of both was going to start calling the shots.

And now, here we are.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 11, 2015 11:39 AM (TOk1P)

24 16 Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2015 11:38 AM (8WSy/)

The evil bastard in me says "why not Columbus or Mn-St Paul to keep the Somalis company?"

and we are finally moved in to our scenic apartment here in picturesque Butte....

Posted by: @sven10077-callsign Charon at September 11, 2015 11:39 AM (g8Hfr)

25 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 11:39 AM (kff5f)

26 Give Shit Away, Forget About the Dead. Think Only of Your Unworthy Soul.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk

Hmmm....probably a no on the first one, but I've got two and three down!

Posted by: Leftists at September 11, 2015 11:39 AM (VAsIq)

27 I admit that I am in thrall to my German friends who are falling over themselves welcoming the refugees. One just posted a story about a friend who spoke Arabic and volunteered at a shelter in Munich last night. The stories she told were about educated people, families in tow, carrying their diplomas in hope of a new life.

On the other hand there's us.

We tried to recruit, what, 10,000 moderate Syrian fighters. And we got 500. And they're gone.

I don't think we're competent to handle this.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 11, 2015 11:39 AM (1xUj/)

28 >.They push that "national day of service" horsefuckery to try to draw false equivalence between LWNJs getting their SJW moonbat on and military service.

It's to dilute its meaning - Obama also makes Thanksgiving a "National Day of Service" every year.

No.

9/11 is about remembrance and *anger* - heightened awareness of who the enemy is and the resolve to fight them.

Thanksgiving is about being thankful for this exceptional country.

I'll do my community good works on other days, thanks.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2015 11:40 AM (NOIQH)

29 Mohammedanism is an evil, Satanic, apocalyptic death cult.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 11:40 AM (kff5f)

30 I agree with this post. I think we need to be careful and the fact that 70% of refugees are adult single males there is cause for concern. The fact that people in Hungary were shouting, "Allahu Akbhar" and F. you to Humgarians and throwing feces, yes some of them will become radicalized.

I have not put out my sign for today. I actually have 2 whiteboard signs I can use

I'm thinking of something combining 9/11 and Syrian refugees. Any suggestions?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2015 11:40 AM (OSs/l)

31 What an utter douchebag of a POTUS.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 11, 2015 11:40 AM (wtvvX)

32 Posted by: jwest at September 11, 2015 11:39 AM (Zs4uk)

Best plan I've heard yet. Let's be proactive about these things and nip them in the bud. It's preferable to take care of them there than to take care of them here.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 11, 2015 11:40 AM (HalrA)

33 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 11:40 AM (kff5f)

34 We need the good Muslims to come and spy on the bad Muslims. That's how it works. Don't try to argue with progress.

Posted by: bjk at September 11, 2015 11:40 AM (InlTW)

35 This is ultimately the failure of compassionate conservatism.

----

Or perhaps the fault of evil....

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 11, 2015 11:40 AM (VAsIq)

36 I read earlier that members of Congress are calling for 100,000 to be taken in.

That's 100,000 more welfare recipients who will then be able to bring over their extended families to suck more welfare and never, ever leave.

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at September 11, 2015 11:41 AM (3Bz18)

37 So, if gun control will save one child's life, we have a moral obligation to enact it. But, if importing Syrians will ensure future homegrown terrorist attacks, it's okay because we have a sad?

Got it.

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 11, 2015 11:41 AM (QFjNO)

38 Go to London and see the results of these policies.

The most common baby name now in the UK? Mohammad.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 11:41 AM (0FSuD)

39 So you have clear files of fire from your apartment Sven?

Hey we could always house these refugees at Gitmo. And then turn the place over to the Cubans.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2015 11:41 AM (8WSy/)

40 We tried to recruit, what, 10,000 moderate Syrian fighters. And we got 500. And they're gone.

We got fifty, at a cost of a million dollars per soldier.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 11, 2015 11:42 AM (xpmPK)

41 We are going to wind up plopping a large number of them down in some area, like we did with Somalis in the 90s. Most won't become terrorists but some will be unable or unwilling to adjust to the west and find themselves targets for recruitment

That's just vAsTreIchwIngnUt crazy talk.

http://tinyurl.com/nm9v3px

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at September 11, 2015 11:42 AM (yMVjf)

42 Obama is a musloid loving, America hating, race baiting douchebag. And those are his good points.

ABCO...always be community organizing.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 11, 2015 11:42 AM (ej1L0)

43 Proponents of resettlement will say things like, "Oh we can screen them very well it'll be fine.
____________________________________

Yeah, except the FBI has already gone on record admitting that THERE IS NO WAY TO SCREEN THESE "REFUGEES."

So let's have no more of this crap. We're inviting in huge numbers of Muslims, a certain percentage of whom WE KNOW will be, or become, terrorists who will try to murder as many of us as possible.

This is beyond insane.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 11, 2015 11:42 AM (a31sM)

44 Let's be honest about a few things...."

Ok.

"Syria" isn't a real "refugee crisis" and a significant number (estimates seem to run around half) of said "refugees" have never set foot in Syria.

Other than that, sure...

Posted by: anon a mouse at September 11, 2015 11:42 AM (C9pBZ)

45 34 Posted by: bjk at September 11, 2015 11:40 AM (InlTW)

That would require a western civ that was not suicidal....

"Good Muslims" get to use the "bad Muslims" as deniable assets and a vector to invade the west as 10,000,000 guys named Juan does the US...

Posted by: @sven10077-callsign Charon at September 11, 2015 11:42 AM (g8Hfr)

46
We are going to wind up plopping a large number of them down in some area, like we did with Somalis in the 90s.

Even more insane is hiring mohammedans/Somalis in large numbers to work in airports. Which is exactly what has happened over the past 10-15 years.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 11, 2015 11:42 AM (1QsMy)

47 Medieval towns used to keep beggars around just to have somebody to give alms to. That's what immigrants are. They're the people we keep around so we can give them stuff. It's the Santa Claus complex.

Posted by: bjk at September 11, 2015 11:42 AM (InlTW)

48 The only good muzzie is a muzzie who isn't here.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 11, 2015 11:43 AM (n6Nt0)

49 I suggest building a huge refugee camp right next to the White House, so Obama can give them extra special attention. Its the only caring thing to do.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 11:43 AM (LXJ1e)

50 Just brand all of those refugees as homophobic, conservative, religious zealots and the problem will solve itself.

Posted by: Roy at September 11, 2015 11:43 AM (VndSC)

51 in the US of A

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 11, 2015 11:43 AM (n6Nt0)

52 "I'll be damned if you tell me I have to keep accepting a bigger security state while willing you're importing more threats."

That's it for me in a nutshell. Same thing with the border. How hard is it say "we're going to lock down the border." And also deal with over-stayed Visas.

Posted by: duke at September 11, 2015 11:43 AM (mDxGf)

53 Poor Drew...everyone thinks he's Ace unless they read the byline.
Posted by: @sven10077-callsign Charon at September 11, 2015 11:37 AM (g8Hfr)

I'm never sure if that's a compliment to me or an insult to Ace.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 11, 2015 11:43 AM (YoEgz)

54 The evil bastard in me says "why not Columbus or Mn-St Paul to keep the Somalis company?"

Posted by: @sven10077-callsign Charon at September 11, 2015 11:39 AM (g8Hfr)

I lived in Columbus for 7 years. Near the end of my stay, there were groups of teens around my apartment complex a couple of times.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali in "Infidel" gave a description of Somalis that brought to mind the term "pack behaviour" - she might have even used the term. I saw that in action, in a very minor way, but it still reminds you that civilization is a gift.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 11, 2015 11:44 AM (AC0lD)

55 39 Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2015 11:41 AM (8WSy/)

We're fine the smoke has cleared but I guess the fires are still active out towards Deer Lodge but nothing like they were...

I have a nice view of two mountains out the master bedroom window.

Posted by: @sven10077-callsign Charon at September 11, 2015 11:44 AM (g8Hfr)

56 47
Medieval towns used to keep beggars around just to have somebody to give
alms to. That's what immigrants are. They're the people we keep around
so we can give them stuff. It's the Santa Claus complex.

Posted by: bjk at September 11, 2015 11:42 AM (InlTW)

It gives the elites their feelings of moral superiority, despite their immorality in every other aspect of life, so they're all like "WANT!"

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 11, 2015 11:44 AM (HalrA)

57 I suggest building a huge refugee camp right next to the ~~White House~~ Hawaiian mansion Penny Pritzker is building for Jugears, so Obama can give them extra special attention.

Fixed.

Posted by: Chicago machine at September 11, 2015 11:44 AM (ZtFr+)

58 53 Posted by: DrewM. at September 11, 2015 11:43 AM (YoEgz)

Whichever makes you feel better Drew...

have enjoyed your byline even when I am in a commenting holding pattern these last few months.

Posted by: @sven10077-callsign Charon at September 11, 2015 11:45 AM (g8Hfr)

59 Go to London and see the results of these policies.

The most common baby name now in the UK? Mohammad.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 11:41 AM (0FSuD)

They're "Asian". And don't dare mention all of the rape rapes that they commit.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2015 11:45 AM (493sH)

60 but it still reminds you that civilization is a gift.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 11, 2015 11:44 AM (AC0lD)

Civilization is a privilege.And one that can be revoked if you don't take good care of it.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 11, 2015 11:45 AM (HalrA)

61 Today is, and has been for awhile now, a day of bitter clinging and looking at sundry people with suspicion as I move about my day.

Posted by: Bigby's Snappy Fingers at September 11, 2015 11:45 AM (3ZtZW)

62 29 Mohammedanism is an evil, Satanic, apocalyptic death cult.

--

Truth.

Posted by: @votermom at September 11, 2015 11:45 AM (cbfNE)

63 It's preferable to take care of them there than to take care of them here.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 11, 2015 11:40 AM (HalrA)

Also, the schools in the safe zone would be taught in English. All semblances of oppression (burkas/veils, etc.) would be outlawed and the safe zone would look like a western city.

In a few generations, you've got the Islamic craziness weeded out.

Posted by: jwest at September 11, 2015 11:45 AM (Zs4uk)

64 Letting in more Muslim immigrants shows just how much of the security state is a sham. Nobody is acting like terrorism is a real threat, because they don't think it is.

Posted by: bjk at September 11, 2015 11:45 AM (InlTW)

65 Well that "line in the sand" worked real well didn't it obama....

Posted by: donna at September 11, 2015 11:45 AM (hUdMz)

66 This should be "Shut Down a mosque Day."

Or "Deport a muz Day."

Or "Prosecute a MuzBro member Day."

Actually, it should be all of them every day.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 11, 2015 11:45 AM (LUgeY)

67 Did Barry yell out a hearty Allah Akbar, today?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2015 11:45 AM (493sH)

68 Many if not most of the people fleeing are probably ordinary people who mean no harm to us.

Of course. People who justify such decisions with this argument overlook the obvious fact:* many if not most people generally are ordinary people who mean no harm to us.

But what "many if not most" do is not relevant. It's what the fringe element, the 1%, do that's relevant. So we need to turn the argument around, and look at the likely actions of the statistical outliers. The most extreme Mormons or Buddhists? Not a problem. The most extreme Muslims? Huge problem.

* Much like liberals who bleat about how many black teenagers are incarcerated. "He's just a teenager!" Who the hell do they think commits most of the crimes, Asian septuagenarians?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2015 11:46 AM (oKE6c)

69 In a way this is the Holy Grail of government...we need more security and bigger government, we should also import more threats, now that we've imported more threats we need bigger government, and so on and so on and so on."

Where have I heard this before? Oh, here:

Gibbon, Edwards; The Decline and Fall of The Roman Empire

Posted by: anon a mouse at September 11, 2015 11:46 AM (C9pBZ)

70 54 Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 11, 2015 11:44 AM (AC0lD)

People seem determined to find out just how steep a price a hundred generations of Christians paid to have this civilization we're gonna throw away.

Posted by: @sven10077-callsign Charon at September 11, 2015 11:46 AM (g8Hfr)

71 I propose that we take in all the Syrian war refugees that want to come here. Women and children under 16 only and the disabled.

The men are given a AK-47 and all the ammo the can handle. Choose a side and fight till one side wins.

As soon as one side wins, the refugees get shipped right back.

Posted by: Jan at September 11, 2015 11:46 AM (4vXIq)

72 Or perhaps the fault of evil....

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 11, 2015 11:40 AM (VAsIq)

Plenty of blame for both.

Evil gonna evil. You can fault it. You can condemn it. You can't (really) change it.

OTOH, "Compassionate Conservatism" has an unspoken tenet that it "won't judge you." Not judging evil is, itself, evil.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 11:46 AM (kff5f)

73 64
Letting in more Muslim immigrants shows just how much of the security
state is a sham. Nobody is acting like terrorism is a real threat,
because they don't think it is.

Posted by: bjk at September 11, 2015 11:45 AM (InlTW)

It's never been about stopping, or even hindering *them*.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 11, 2015 11:46 AM (HalrA)

74 Completely irrelevant:

Video: Syrian 'Migrants' Abuse Police Officers, Throw Donated Food Water Onto Train Tracks

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 11, 2015 11:46 AM (JmGFJ)

75 Or perhaps the fault of evil....

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 11, 2015 11:40 AM (VAsIq)

Sure... and?

If evil exists in this world, and it does, what are WE prepared to do about it? I can't control what they do, but we have a voice in what we do. Sitting around and blaming them for being evil doesn't change a damn thing.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 11, 2015 11:46 AM (TOk1P)

76 I call bullshit. No way that was written by Peggy Noonan.

Posted by: Irony at September 11, 2015 11:46 AM (93CuU)

77 I'll be damned if you tell me I have to keep accepting a bigger security state while willing you're importing more threats.

To me, this is the key sentence. The elites are all, "Oh, we can manage this." The citizenry looks at how wonderfully the elites are cfuking it up, even with their massive surveillance systems and huge budgets, and just shake their heads.

They can't even do the job their given, much less all the other crap they have their fingers into.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 11, 2015 11:46 AM (laMCB)

78 /off Brady Sock

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at September 11, 2015 11:46 AM (4vXIq)

79 66 This should be "Shut Down a mosque Day."
Or "Deport a muz Day."
Or "Prosecute a MuzBro member Day."
Actually, it should be all of them every day.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 11, 2015 11:45 AM (LUgeY)

I'm calling it now: Backwards Boy 2016.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2015 11:46 AM (oKE6c)

80 I'm never sure if that's a compliment to me or an insult to Ace.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 11, 2015 11:43 AM (YoEgz)

Yes.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 11:47 AM (kff5f)

81 "brand all of those refugees as homophobic, conservative, religious zealots and the problem will solve itself."

not how it works. you can't punch down if you're on the bottom, can't punch up if you're on top. it's science.

Posted by: bjk at September 11, 2015 11:47 AM (InlTW)

82 Ack, I hate making there, their, they're mistakes :-(

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 11, 2015 11:47 AM (laMCB)

83
I suggest building a huge refugee camp right next to the White House Hawaiian mansion Penny Pritzker is building for Jugears, so Obama can give them extra special attention.

Fixed.

Posted by: Chicago machine at September 11, 2015 11:44 AM (ZtFr+)

Yeah, and the clash between the horribly racist mohammedans and the horribly racist Hawaiians will be fun to watch.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 11, 2015 11:47 AM (1QsMy)

84 I remember once reading a story vaguely about a King who made deals with demons to help him fight a war. The demons brutalized his people and terrorized his soldiers in the shared army camp but he didn't give a shit because they were giving him what he wanted and he was safe at night with his guards.

Probably the most accurate description of everyone in Washington DC and Brussels.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 11, 2015 11:47 AM (xpmPK)

85 I thought ISIS was building an Islamic Paradise?

Why aren't all these Mohammedans moving to their territory?

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 11:48 AM (0FSuD)

86 OTOH, "Compassionate Conservatism" has an unspoken tenet that it "won't judge you." Not judging evil is, itself, evil.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 11:46 AM (kff5f)

More than anything else, moral relativism, and the idea that there is no such thing as an objective truth in a political context is what has gotten us into the mess we're in. Every other evil, and everything that the Left pushes, flows from that original lie.

"There is no truth" is self-refuting.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 11, 2015 11:48 AM (HalrA)

87 Just what this country needs. More Goat Fucking Mohammedans.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 11, 2015 11:48 AM (2Ojst)

88 Did Barry yell out a hearty Allah Akbar, today?

Posted by: TheQuietMan

No, but he did the six-shooter and smile at the mirror again.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 11, 2015 11:49 AM (JmGFJ)

89 Also, because I think it's important to note (since illegal immigration has been brought up): The 9/11 Terrorists were Illegal Aliens (overstayed visas).

Also, I think I'm going to go have a pulled-pork sandwich for lunch.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 11:49 AM (kff5f)

90 From most the pictures I've seen the majority of the "refugees" have been men....

Posted by: donna at September 11, 2015 11:49 AM (hUdMz)

91 Posted by: Carly Eff's Hellfire Tipped Dildo

Wow.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 11, 2015 11:49 AM (/Ho8c)

92 I vote we send them to Mexico. Mexico is likely to float away given the number of Mexicans that have left Mexico. America could easily tip over any minute. Let's have a balance!

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at September 11, 2015 11:49 AM (oDCMR)

93 They can't even do the job their given, much less all the other crap they have their fingers into.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 11, 2015 11:46 AM (laMCB)

They've bitten off a lot more than they can chew and think they're a lot more competent than they are. They've cultivated chaos and think they can ride it like a wave into power, but they never stopped to think that chaos is a lot bigger, older, and sneakier than they are.
It'll end in tears. And they'll blame us for their fuck-ups. It's what they do.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 11, 2015 11:50 AM (HalrA)

94 Commemorate 9/11 with a BLT and a beer.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2015 11:50 AM (NOIQH)

95 Where are the cats? I was told there were edible cats here!

Posted by: ALF at September 11, 2015 11:50 AM (nc+gz)

96 One more thing we need to remember. Mohammedans are exempt from Obama Care, so you will have the joy of also paying for their healthcare through Medicaid.

Have a nice day.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 11:50 AM (0FSuD)

97 The elites want open borders and by God they will have them.

That will inevitably be followed by an economic collapse. You can't have open borders and a welfare state. The newly balkanized American will then crack along ethnic divisions. Our elites have become inbred morons and this time we need a French style revolution.

Posted by: DFCtomm at September 11, 2015 11:50 AM (13/PI)

98 Sure... and?

If evil exists in this world, and it does, what are WE prepared to do about it? I can't control what they do, but we have a voice in what we do. Sitting around and blaming them for being evil doesn't change a damn thing.

Posted by: BurtTC

Well, Bush (he whose fault this is) was prepared to expend political capital and a lot of American lives to do something about it. I'm sorry that others squandered the opportunity to confront and defeat evil, and I'm sorry so many here lay at Bush's feet the atrocities committed in the name of Allah.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 11, 2015 11:50 AM (VAsIq)

99 "We're inviting in huge numbers of Muslims, a certain percentage of whom WE KNOW will be, or become, terrorists..."

Or Presidents.

Posted by: navybrat at September 11, 2015 11:50 AM (ETxiG)

100 Wonder if Scott Walker will stop fucking around and now answer this "hypothetical" question.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt TrumpProd (tm) at September 11, 2015 11:50 AM (d6PIl)

101 DrewM is the self-licking ice cream cone of champions.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 11, 2015 11:51 AM (JmGFJ)

102 >>From most the pictures I've seen the majority of the "refugees" have been men....

In Europe, it's 70% adult men.
Those aren't refugees, those are soldiers.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2015 11:51 AM (NOIQH)

103 I read earlier that members of Congress are calling for 100,000 to be taken in.

That's 100,000 more welfare recipients who will then be able to bring over their extended families to suck more welfare and never, ever leave.
______________________

Yes, Breitbart had an article up recently on the stats for the middle-eastern "refugees" the U.S. has already taken in over the past decade.

We've taken in 20% of the entire globe's "refugees," despite the fact that the U.S. is only about 5% of the world's population. (Keep that in mind when some lefty tells you we're not doing "our fair share").

Over 90% of the ME refugees already in the U.S. are on food stamps. Over 70% of them get all their medical care courtesy of U.S. taxpayers (i.e., on Medicaid). Almost 70% of them receive additional welfare to pay their every day living expenses, and on and on and on.

These "refugees" never leave either. And once they get their green cards (which the Obama administration has been handing out over and above, by large numbers, the numerical yearly limits imposed by congress, they are legally entitled to stay for life, and they're also entitled to bring in their extended family members.

It's insane.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 11, 2015 11:51 AM (a31sM)

104 I don't think we're competent to handle this.

I don't know that Germany is competent to handle it. in the long run. Good for your friend but in the long wrong it will the death of their country.

The National Review article posted last night summed it up pretty well. By accepting all the refugees-Merkel has placed her priorities with people rich enough to get here. What about the Christians and others who are trapped there?. What about the others who are too poor to pay human traffickers to get to Europe.? What ones who will be used possibly in brutal unsafe ways by traffickers to get here? People from another culture who don't speak the language and don't accept its culture will not assimilate easily and will be more open to radical elements who obviously have come over with peaceful Syrians too.

Merkel will bully others EU partners to accept more refugees-when they don't want them? That ought to work out well/sarc.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2015 11:51 AM (OSs/l)

105
I call bullshit. No way that was written by Peggy Noonan.

Posted by: Irony at September 11, 2015 11:46 AM (93CuU)

I didn't read it, but I'm assuming that the article made too much sense.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 11, 2015 11:51 AM (1QsMy)

106 Commemorate 9/11 with a BLT and a beer.

Does it have to be beer? I mean, I'm a teetotaler, but even if I weren't, beer smells like piss. Is there a non-alcoholic beverage which is offensive to Mohammedans?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 11:51 AM (kff5f)

107 95
Where are the cats? I was told there were edible cats here!

Posted by: ALF

Next thread down, Chief.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 11, 2015 11:51 AM (/Ho8c)

108 87
Just what this country needs. More Goat Fucking Mohammedans.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 11, 2015 11:48 AM (2Ojst)

I am good with it.

Posted by: The Chicken at September 11, 2015 11:51 AM (0FSuD)

109 102 >>From most the pictures I've seen the majority of the "refugees" have been men....

In Europe, it's 70% adult men.
Those aren't refugees, those are soldiers.

My thoughts exactly...

Posted by: donna at September 11, 2015 11:51 AM (hUdMz)

110 OTOH, "Compassionate Conservatism" has an unspoken tenet that it "won't judge you." Not judging evil is, itself, evil.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 11:46 AM (kff5f)

Liberals annoy the hell out of me with their "don't be judgmental" crap. (Actually, they annoy the hell out of me generally, but this is just a case in point.)

Don't be judgmental? Rendering judgment is what adults do all the time, and quite rightly too. (Although given the quality of liberals' judgment, perhaps it is better if they keep it to themselves.)

Adults are constantly deciding that A is good, B is bad, C is mixed, and that rendering of judgment is fundamental to the functioning of society, just as grading (academic judgment) is fundamental to the functioning of academia.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2015 11:51 AM (oKE6c)

111
Where are the cats? I was told there were edible cats here!

Posted by: ALF at September 11, 2015 11:50 AM (nc+gz)

I can't wait to hear more about the inedible cats.

Posted by: DFCtomm at September 11, 2015 11:51 AM (13/PI)

112 Does it have to be beer? I mean, I'm a teetotaler, but even if I weren't, beer smells like piss. Is there a non-alcoholic beverage which is offensive to Mohammedans?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 11:51 AM (kff5f)

Pork soda?

Posted by: Insomniac at September 11, 2015 11:52 AM (2Ojst)

113 So the Muslims leaving Syria, are they Shia or Sunni.

Are the Shia leaving now because ISIS is on the verge of completely taking over Syria (thus the necessity of Russian troops)?

Or are the Sunni leaving and the refugee problem is really an ISIS plot to infiltrate the West with thousands of militants?

The Syrian civil war has been going on for a couple of years now, but the refugee problem really just started, why?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 11:52 AM (LXJ1e)

114 The male 'refugees' are invading Europe to bring rape to even more infidel women...

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2015 11:52 AM (8WSy/)

115 Fortunately, the one group that's really doing well in the job market are minority males.

Young men with nothing but free time never get into shenanigans.

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 11, 2015 11:52 AM (QFjNO)

116 Refugees should have sponsors. Citizens who will stsnd surety for their behavior. If the refugees you sponsored break stuff, sponsor pays the bill. If they break a law, sponsor pays the fine. If they take welfare, sponsor reimburses.
Since the rich lefties are so gung ho on taking in refugees, I am sure they will be lining up to each sponsor 10, 20, a hundred refugees each.

Posted by: @votermom at September 11, 2015 11:52 AM (cbfNE)

117 ALF, previous thread. Cat in a painting.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2015 11:53 AM (8WSy/)

118 Has Obama signed a Status of Forces Agreement with ISIS before letting them in? I'm asking for a friend.

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at September 11, 2015 11:53 AM (oDCMR)

119 I find it cosmically comical that the same leftist who are trying in every way possible, and largely have succeeded, in stamping out all vesitges of Christianity, are importing people who are aggressively incompatible with their agenda.

They think they are playing some sort of 3dimemsional SunTzu, but they would be wrong - Disasterously so!

They also get bonus points for appealing to Christian compassion in order to shame the very people they have worked tirelessly to marginalize and otherize into bending their knees.

We're at a minute to midnight and the seconds are ticking away.

Posted by: Kreplach at September 11, 2015 11:54 AM (Pb37Y)

120 This whole focus on refugees is in some ways appropriate because there are actual people suffering. However, what I think needs emphasis from the mouth of every Republican candidate BEFORE he/she talks about what to do with the refugees, is a strong statement that the very reason there any Syrian refugees is because of the Obama policy of arming Islamic militants to try to over-throw Bashar al-Assad.

So far, I've heard one or two of them begin each interaction with the press in this way, Walker especially, but it needs to be coming from each of them. Democrats never hesitate to blame any situation on Republicans and we need to be similarly aggressive, especially since it actually is as a result of a policy choice made by the president.

Again, it is a case of not buying the premises of a question from the media when answering.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 11:54 AM (ljZD2)

121 What was that we were supposed to #NeverForget again?

Posted by: CJ at September 11, 2015 11:54 AM (9KqcB)

122 17
I'm pretty sure there were Syrians dancing in the streets on 9/11, so
yeah, the answer of how many actual terrorist attacks am I willing to potentially take for feelz is zero for me too.
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Yes they were dancing. They can all stay at home and lick the sandals of their new ISIS masters in place of their old Baathist masters for all I care.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 11:54 AM (ry4ab)

123 99 "We're inviting in huge numbers of Muslims, a certain percentage of whom WE KNOW will be, or become, terrorists..."

Or Presidents.

Posted by: navybrat at September 11, 2015 11:50 AM (ETxiG)

Or Communists. Or some combination of the above.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2015 11:54 AM (oKE6c)

124 I'm thinking of something combining 9/11 and Syrian refugees. Any suggestions?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2015 11:40 AM (OSs/l)

How about, "Remember 9/11 - We Couldn't Stop the Hijackings, but We CAN Stop the Invasion."

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 11, 2015 11:54 AM (laMCB)

125 114 The male 'refugees' are invading Europe to bring rape to even more infidel women...
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2015 11:52 AM (8WSy/)

Its not "rape" rape.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 11:55 AM (LXJ1e)

126 Surprisingly over the last couple weeks my wife has be showing greater interest in what is in our "go" bag and where it is. I think she bought a clue and didn't tell me.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 11, 2015 11:55 AM (C278+)

127 Well, Bush (he whose fault this is) was prepared to expend political capital and a lot of American lives to do something about it. I'm sorry that others squandered the opportunity to confront and defeat evil, and I'm sorry so many here lay at Bush's feet the atrocities committed in the name of Allah.

I don't lay the atrocities at Bush's feet, and I acknowledge his willingness to "do something about it." The problem is that his philosophy was flawed - it was too "tolerant" in general, and did not acknowledge that Mohammedanism is an evil, Satanic, apocalyptic death cult.

If you started from a flawed premise, you will have flawed conclusions. When you make plans based on flawed conclusions, those plans are flawed.

Coulter had it right 14 years ago: the answer is to invade, kill their leaders, and convert the rest to [not Mohammedanism] (she said "Christianity," and I personally agree, but I'll settle for "not Mohammedanism").

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 11:55 AM (kff5f)

128 All semblances of oppression (burkas/veils, etc.) would be outlawed and the safe zone would look like a western city.

In a few generations, you've got the Islamic craziness weeded out."

Nah. Post WWII Levant looked fairly "western". So much for that.

Posted by: anon a mouse at September 11, 2015 11:55 AM (C9pBZ)

129 I'm going to start investing in goat futures.

Posted by: Soona at September 11, 2015 11:55 AM (Fmupd)

130 >>> Or perhaps the fault of evil....

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN' 'BOUT! !

Posted by: Rev. Jeremiah Wright at September 11, 2015 11:56 AM (3ZtZW)

131 129 I'm going to start investing in goat futures.
Posted by: Soona at September 11, 2015 11:55 AM (Fmupd)

Pimpin' ain't easy...

Posted by: Insomniac at September 11, 2015 11:56 AM (2Ojst)

132 Refugees should have sponsors. Citizens who will stsnd surety for their behavior. If the refugees you sponsored break stuff, sponsor pays the bill. If they break a law, sponsor pays the fine. If they take welfare, sponsor reimburses.

Since the rich lefties are so gung ho on taking in refugees, I am sure they will be lining up to each sponsor 10, 20, a hundred refugees each.
Posted by: @votermom at September 11, 2015 11:52 AM (cbfNE)

Great idea.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2015 11:56 AM (oKE6c)

133 Rules on immigration and refugees are made by safe people. These are the people who help run countries, who have nice homes in nice neighborhoods and are protected by their status.

And heavily armed security details.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 11, 2015 11:56 AM (LUgeY)

134 We are too busy looking for the REAL terrorists : Home-grown, white Christian conservatives.

Posted by: Department of Homeland Security - Buy 99 visas , get 99 FREE! at September 11, 2015 11:56 AM (gAgEE)

135 We have zero obligation to take in these refugees. Zero. This is a stealth effort (using compassion as an emotionally exortive pretext, for which the Left is vilely famous) to undermine our nation with unassimilable hostile elements and flood red states with refugees.

Posted by: rrpjr at September 11, 2015 11:56 AM (s/yC1)

136 Similarly, I think the Obama administration and the media want to keep the candidates and the citizenry focused on the refugees, and tales of heartbreak abut them, because it keeps people from asking why this happened in the first place.

We can't let them act as if this situation arose out of the ether, spontaneously.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 11:56 AM (ljZD2)

137 >>Its not "rape" rape.

Rape jihad.

Just ask Sweden. Or the young gals in Rotterham.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2015 11:56 AM (NOIQH)

138 Again, it is a case of not buying the premises of a question from the media when answering.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 11:54 AM (ljZD2)

--

This.
It is rule 1 through 5 in "Media Relations for Republican Dummies," also known as "Media Relations for Republicans."

Posted by: CJ at September 11, 2015 11:57 AM (9KqcB)

139 Take in Yazidis and Christians. Chance of terrorism? Zero.

Posted by: Lauren at September 11, 2015 11:57 AM (dMT1T)

140 Notice there are no refugees from the US, Canada, Israel, Germany, etc. Perhaps the rest of humanity should learn from us.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at September 11, 2015 11:57 AM (QZJvS)

141 The Syrian civil war has been going on for a couple of years now, but the refugee problem really just started, why?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 11:52 AM (LXJ1e)

Contrary to Obama feel good intelligence, it appears Assad is getting ready to go down, that is why Russia just rushed fresh equipment and troops to help him

Rat's deserting a sinking ship.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 11:58 AM (0FSuD)

142 Fortunately, the one group that's really doing well in the job market are minority males.

Young men with nothing but free time never get into shenanigans.

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 11, 2015 11:52 AM (QFjNO)
Ten thousand Syrian refugees admitted. And in unrelated news, black unemployment increased by 10,000. Unexpectedly, of course.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2015 11:58 AM (oKE6c)

143 139 Take in Yazidis and Christians. Chance of terrorism? Zero. Posted by: Lauren at September 11, 2015 11:57 AM (dMT1T)

And you can bet your ass they'd appreciate being here.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 11, 2015 11:58 AM (HalrA)

144
I hate to be the hawkish warmonger, but.
The time and money would be better spent eliminating the threat from ISIS so all those fine people could stay in the countries they love and honor.

Posted by: GBruno at September 11, 2015 11:58 AM (u49WF)

145 from the article-Kerry mentioned a potential new total as high as 100,000, as well as other possible maximum numbers

Gee wonder what 'other possible maximum numbers' Kerry gave?

500,000?
A million?

insert Iron Maiden 2 minutes to midnight here!

Posted by: ginaswo at September 11, 2015 11:59 AM (qxNrP)

146 Oh, also, apparently we're not treating them like "refugees." We're treating them like citizens.

Yes, you heard that write. Per the news this morning, these "refugees" are to be given social security numbers, photo ID, assistance in finding jobs, and so forth.

"Refugees" I'm okay with (provisionally). Importing a new electorate? Not so much.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 11:59 AM (kff5f)

147 I knew, when nothing in the ME had been melted or turned into rubble by the end of 2001, that Bush 43 was going to follow the Pappy Bush 41-Colin Powell-Department of State model to achieve a diplomatically controlled non-winning effort, at the cost of American lives and treasure. What I really didn't foresee, and still cannot believe, is that our capitulation would be so abject, craven, and absolute!

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 11, 2015 12:00 PM (ftVQq)

148 139 Take in Yazidis and Christians. Chance of terrorism? Zero.
Posted by: Lauren at September 11, 2015 11:57 AM (dMT1T)

I'm a Christian. Never mind my name, I converted.

Yesterday.

Posted by: Mohammed, Call Me Moe at September 11, 2015 12:00 PM (laMCB)

149 Just ask Sweden. Or the young gals in Rotterham."

Hmm. I see neither on the daily show or "trending" on twit.

Therefore, not a problem.

/

Posted by: anon a mouse at September 11, 2015 12:00 PM (C9pBZ)

150 God Bless America

Posted by: ginaswo at September 11, 2015 12:00 PM (qxNrP)

151

I enjoy a good "I told you so" as much as anyone but I will not enjoy
the inevitable proof of how terrible this decision is because it will be
demonstrated in blood.

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:31 AM

As with crime committed by illegals you won't hear a peep from the media when these refugees commit crimes. You'll never get to say that "I told you so".

Posted by: DFCtomm at September 11, 2015 12:00 PM (13/PI)

152 Walid Shoebat has an interesting take on the flood of Muslims into Europe- it is a fulfillment of prophecy in Revelation.
The Antichrist Is Sending A Flood Of Muslim Migrants Into Europe To Destroy Christianity
http://tinyurl.com/q7e5mu9
When we feel enraged or hopeless it is good to remember that God is in control.

Posted by: Cloaking Device Back On at September 11, 2015 12:00 PM (Q8y6V)

153 First question to refugees seeking asylum:

"If we let you in, are you willing to take up arms for the United States?"

Just for shits and/or giggles.

Posted by: CJ at September 11, 2015 12:01 PM (9KqcB)

154 144

I hate to be the hawkish warmonger, but.

The time and money would be better spent eliminating the threat from
ISIS so all those fine people could stay in the countries they love and
honor.

Assad is the one who is systematically expelling them. He wants fewer Sunnis in his rump state of West Syria and there aren't a lot of Shias and Alawites among the refugees.

Posted by: Naes at September 11, 2015 12:01 PM (Ypc8j)

155 129 I'm going to start investing in goat futures.
Posted by: Soona at September 11, 2015 11:55 A

Aim high!!! Sheep futures.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 11, 2015 12:01 PM (n6Nt0)

156 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at September 11, 2015 12:01 PM (GwIKd)

157 Refugees from Muslim on Muslim wars fleeing to Christian nations.
#ReligionOfPeace

Posted by: @votermom at September 11, 2015 12:02 PM (cbfNE)

158 Surprisingly over the last couple weeks my wife has be showing greater interest in what is in our "go" bag and where it is. I think she bought a clue and didn't tell me.

My parents have been showing some interest in "bug-out" bags since the Chattanooga shooting, and, since I am moved to my own place and am apparently taking the TEOTWAWKI food stash with me they were asking how much food they should store if they were to start building their own supply. Baby steps...

Posted by: Grey Fox at September 11, 2015 12:02 PM (bZ7mE)

159 The best outcome for Obama is if voices on the right start yammering about how evil Islam is, and all that typical noise. Then they will have some small bit of credence to justify their strategy of making the discussion between "bigots" and "poor, defenseless refugees."

The only way to get this discussion onto some grounds that we can fight on and potentially win, is to keep it on root causes and bad policy choices, while simultaneously expressing large amounts of sympathy for the refugees, themselves.

We need to stop taking the bait Obama offers us. Lucy, football, rinse and repeat.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 12:02 PM (ljZD2)

160 Obama: We Should Remember 9/11 By Agreeing To Take In At Least 10,000 Syrian Refugees
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Most of whom were probably celebrating on 9-11-2001

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 11, 2015 12:02 PM (MbrzC)

161 Take in Yazidis and Christians. Chance of terrorism? Zero.

Posted by: Lauren

Or at least the translators and miscellaneous Iraqis that put their lives on the line to help us.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 11, 2015 12:02 PM (JmGFJ)

162 Today is a day of rage and bitterness.

Posted by: @votermom at September 11, 2015 11:37 AM (cbfNE)

Welcome to my world.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 11, 2015 12:02 PM (zF6Iw)

163 "Refugees" I'm okay with (provisionally). Importing a new electorate? Not so much.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 11:59 AM (kff5f)
Come now Allen, we need to be fair to our immigrant friends as they ~~assimilate~~ assassinate their way into American society!

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 11, 2015 12:03 PM (ftVQq)

164 Oh great.... raising money to help 'rescue' the refugees in Calais. The refugees who have been disrupting rail traffic between England and France for more than two months. The refugees who had tried to climb the fence at the Calais entrance to the Chunnel that have resulted in nine deaths.

http://www.gofundme.com/9zwfscys

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2015 12:03 PM (8WSy/)

165 The Syrian civil war has been going on for a couple of years now, but the refugee problem really just started, why?"

4 years, and most of these "refugees" are simply saying "syria" since it's in the news.

Posted by: anon a mouse at September 11, 2015 12:03 PM (C9pBZ)

166 I say we should send some money to help them over there. We don't need to bring tens of thousands more potential terrorists here, thank you.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 11, 2015 12:03 PM (so+oy)

167 At this point my solution to the problem is this: Let Assad have the place. Quietly let the Russians do the Weekend at Bernie's number with him. 10X the anti-ISIS air war, I'm sure the JAGs would be up in arms if I suggested lots of napalm and Youtube videos of burning militants.

Make it clear that just about everyone that doesn't have a legitimate, personal reason to claim asylum (Christians, etc.) is going back.

Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at September 11, 2015 12:03 PM (o+SC1)

168 98

Well, Bush (he whose fault this is) was prepared to expend political
capital and a lot of American lives to do something about it. I'm sorry
that others squandered the opportunity to confront and defeat evil, and
I'm sorry so many here lay at Bush's feet the atrocities committed in
the name of Allah.
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Hear, hear. Dubya did his job as Commander-in-Chief and tried to fight the good fight against the people responsible for 9/11, and those who gave them refuge and assistance. The "dissent is patriotic" Democrats and their LSM enablers hindered him at every turn and did more to limit victory over Islamofascism than the Islamofascists themselves. Then Obummer got elected, and he has spent 2 terms undoing everything we've done in the Mideast since Bush the Elder.

It's not Bush's fault. It never was his fault. We know whose fault it was, and Hillary "dissent is patriotic" Clinton wants to be our next president.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 12:04 PM (ry4ab)

169 Here's what I've noticed about lefties: they insist that we all must be very afraid of global warming, free markets, responsible armed people, GMOs, tiny amounts of emissions, large families, non-PC thoughtcrime, etc. -- all things that have no discernible impact on the quality of our lives.

Then they demand that we abandon any defense we have against things that are truly dangerous, like terrorists, or unlawful invaders, or lack of intellectual or sexual integrity, or corrupt government officials taking over our freedoms "for our own good."

We are expected to give up our security, freedom, and prosperity so they can bask in their own sense of moral superiority.

Posted by: Emmie at September 11, 2015 12:04 PM (qSQG+)

170 Btw who do you guys think is the highway shooter in AZ?
Random crazy or terrorist?

Posted by: @votermom at September 11, 2015 12:04 PM (cbfNE)

171 I hope for a day to come where Muslims the world over will just smile and nod and work hard in their prosperous nations, just like the Japanese did after we nuked them.

Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at September 11, 2015 12:04 PM (3ZtZW)

172
As has been observed before, these refugees tend to have money. On the dinghy that capsized, people paid 10k US dollars. Everybody has smart phones and they have decent clothes. So, how bad can it be?

Yes, ISIS is as bad as it gets but I dont think these people were going to get overrun by ISIS. Shit, they cant even stop being muzzie on the boats over as evidenced of them murdering Christians. They are now rioting in Hamburg and Frankfurt b/c of some bogus muzzie reason.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 11, 2015 12:04 PM (iQIUe)

173 We are expected to give up our security, freedom, and prosperity so they can bask in their own sense of moral superiority.

There's a word for that...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 11, 2015 12:05 PM (LUgeY)

174 As has been observed before, these refugees tend to have money. On the dinghy that capsized, people paid 10k US dollars. Everybody has smart phones and they have decent clothes."

That's raycisst. Or something.

Posted by: anon a mouse at September 11, 2015 12:06 PM (C9pBZ)

175 These refugees are not likely to ever be self supporting. If we are going to have to feed, house and educate these people, we should do it somewhere cheaper than inside the US.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 11, 2015 12:06 PM (evdj2)

176 Wellll, ok.

*Drags big toe through the sand*

We will take the 10k Syrians but only if the Saudis build 100 new Mosques.

Posted by: Drider at September 11, 2015 12:06 PM (DNFK1)

177
There's a word for that...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 11, 2015 12:05 PM (LUgeY

BULLSHIT?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 11, 2015 12:06 PM (n6Nt0)

178 good plan jwest .... even if the zone is in a nearby country. Bolton mentioned there is an international standard for refugees, that keeps them as close as possible.

The "refugees" prefer invading Europe because they see a land ripe for invasion. It's the promised land of fruit and honey, theirs for the taking, by hook and by crook. The Saudis offer to fund 200 mosques ... in Germany, not on their turf. Europe's elite seem so ready to throw away their cultural identity.

Posted by: Illiniwek at September 11, 2015 12:06 PM (6zZ5y)

179 Btw who do you guys think is the highway shooter in AZ?
Random crazy or terrorist?

Posted by: @votermom

My theory is the person is the same "guy" that was doing the same thing in Colorado. Just moved south.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 11, 2015 12:06 PM (C278+)

180 There's a word for that..."

Revolution?

Posted by: anon a mouse at September 11, 2015 12:07 PM (C9pBZ)

181 I have no problem taking in refugees, if:

1) no males between 12-40.
2) non-Muslim
3) refugee status is for three years only, and by then they need to have found some other place to live. Government transfer payments only for the initial year.

Posted by: MTF at September 11, 2015 12:07 PM (TxJGV)

182 I hope for a day to come where Muslims the world over will just smile and nod and work hard in their prosperous nations, just like the Japanese did after we nuked them.

Never happen. Mohammedanism is an evil, Satanic, apocalyptic death cult. It *is.* That is the foundation upon which the whole piece of feces is built. Any unwillingness to acknowledge that fact and deal with it appropriately (read: stamp it out wherever found) is naive at best.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 12:07 PM (kff5f)

183
Importing or otherwise letting in illegally immigrants that don't believe what we call the Bill of Rights is something to be maintained and respected can not have a positive effect for any nation.

So sure of course the Leftists want these people who abuse and denigrate women and others as part of their culture. They want us to slowly accept that we have less rights overall.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 11, 2015 12:07 PM (ODxAs)

184 >>As has been observed before, these refugees tend to have money. On the dinghy that capsized, people paid 10k US dollars. Everybody has smart phones and they have decent clothes. So, how bad can it be?

A lot of those people are not fleeing Syria - they may have left Syria a few years ago and settled in Turkey. Then they found out Germany has much better benefits. Like the father of the drowned toddler - we was living and working in Turkey, but wanted to go to Germany to get his teeth fixed for free. His greed killed that child, not ISIS.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2015 12:07 PM (NOIQH)

185 "102 >>From most the pictures I've seen the majority of the "refugees" have been men....

In Europe, it's 70% adult men.
Those aren't refugees, those are soldiers."

What we are watching is an invading army storming Europe. There's no need for weapons when the indigenous population will prostrate themselves before you.

Posted by: Decaf at September 11, 2015 12:07 PM (jILzT)

186 So what happens to all the women and children left in Syria (or wherever these so-called refugees are from)? These young men don't have families and are just being let loose on naïve EU and US populations?

Put the military age men back on a plane and hand them a rifle and camping supplies to work to make their own homes habitable.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 11, 2015 12:08 PM (MIKMs)

187
BULLSHIT?

Ok, make that two words.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 11, 2015 12:08 PM (LUgeY)

188
Never forget the fact that it was obama and his pals who started the civil war in Syria.

All this is obama's fault.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 11, 2015 12:08 PM (YcUKN)

189 We are so very very boned.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 11, 2015 12:08 PM (evdj2)

190 166 I say we should send some money to help them over there. We don't need to bring tens of thousands more potential terrorists here, thank you.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 11, 2015 12:03 PM (so+oy)

I have a better idea: let's keep our money, and just ignore the whole thing. We have no strategic interest in Syria - leave 'em to it.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2015 12:09 PM (oKE6c)

191 Btw who do you guys think is the highway shooter in AZ? Random crazy or terrorist?

Posted by: @votermom at September 11, 2015 12:04 PM (cbfNE)
---

Just like the D.C. snipers, they'll be "angry white guys in a white van."

Posted by: CJ at September 11, 2015 12:09 PM (9KqcB)

192 Oh ... We need to stop taking the bait. And just quit playing.

Obama can do this, like everything else, because the GOPe approves. Quit helping. Stop fighting their wars for them. Stop policing their neighborhoods for them. Stop guarding their schools for them.

Let them recruit a few divisions and man a few precincts from their new overseas friends.

Posted by: Irony at September 11, 2015 12:09 PM (93CuU)

193 I wonder what that will do to the percentage of Muslims in America. Currently under 1%.

But that will increase exponentially in just about ten years.

What do you think that will do for the SSM legal carve out we made for the glorious 3%?

Posted by: Ty Angur at September 11, 2015 12:09 PM (1vvap)

194 187
BULLSHIT?

Ok, make that two words.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 11, 2015 12:08 PM (LUgeY

2 words? FUCKING BULLSHIT

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 11, 2015 12:09 PM (n6Nt0)

195 Yeah let's bring in the Yazidis! I can't wait for them to stone one of
their rebellious daughters to death with a cinder block in public and
video tape it in my cul de sac! See Du'a Khalil Aswad for further reference.

Posted by: Naes at September 11, 2015 12:09 PM (Ypc8j)

196 But as Peggy Noonan points out, it doesn't matter what the littles want or don't want

Even when she's right, I don't care to hear what Peggy Noonan has to say.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 11, 2015 12:10 PM (evdj2)

197 When we feel enraged or hopeless it is good to remember that God is in control.

Thanks.

I can feel angry but I don't feel hopeless but I have not put my trust in "princes" or mortals in whom there is no hope. (From the Psalms)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2015 12:10 PM (OSs/l)

198 I think we should remember 9/11 by bombing the everloving Persian shit outta Tehran.

Posted by: maddogg at September 11, 2015 12:10 PM (xWW96)

199 >>Just like the D.C. snipers, they'll be "angry white guys in a white van."

Don't forget "former military" with PSTD.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2015 12:10 PM (NOIQH)

200 193 I wonder what that will do to the percentage of Muslims in America. Currently under 1%.

But that will increase exponentially in just about ten years.

What do you think that will do for the SSM legal carve out we made for the glorious 3%?
Posted by: Ty Angur at September 11, 2015 12:09 PM (1vvap)

I would say get a good rain suit, protect your popcorn and watch shit-hit-fan. Kind of like a Gallagher show only with more bloodshed.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 11, 2015 12:10 PM (n6Nt0)

201 136
Similarly, I think the Obama administration and the media want to keep
the candidates and the citizenry focused on the refugees, and tales of
heartbreak abut them, because it keeps people from asking why this
happened in the first place.

We can't let them act as if this situation arose out of the ether, spontaneously.
-----------
Definitely!! Don't buy into the LSM shell game, and don't let anyone else-including GOPe-go along with it. The refugees are flooding Euripe and USA because of Obummer's (and Shrillary's) utter failure of their "Arab Spring" policy.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 12:11 PM (ry4ab)

202 191
Btw who do you guys think is the highway shooter in AZ? Random crazy or terrorist?

Posted by: @votermom at September 11, 2015 12:04 PM (cbfNE)

Obviously right wing fanatics!

Posted by: MSM Reporter at September 11, 2015 12:11 PM (0FSuD)

203 as long as they are "refugees" who died in transit, no problem...

other than that, send them to Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:11 PM (7vjeC)

204 There's a word for that...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 11, 2015 12:05 PM (LUgeY)

Don't be coy, BackwardsBoy. What is the word? (It's on the tip of my tongue, but I can't recall it.)

Posted by: Emmie at September 11, 2015 12:11 PM (qSQG+)

205 What we are watching is an invading army storming Europe"

Storming? Nah, they're invited.

Previous thread had some comment about the ladies on The View being forced to wear burkas.

They won't have to be forced - they'll want to wear them.

Posted by: anon a mouse at September 11, 2015 12:12 PM (C9pBZ)

206 We should give them free flying lessons, too.

Posted by: Mickey Fickey at September 11, 2015 12:12 PM (Fa2Ei)

207 I admit that I am in thrall to my German friends who are falling over themselves welcoming the refugees. One just posted a story about a friend who spoke Arabic and volunteered at a shelter in Munich last night.

They ought to serve them schweinebraten to really welcome them to Germany

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2015 12:12 PM (493sH)

208 'Obama Supporter Peggy Noonan'

Posted by: AOSHQ Style Guide at September 11, 2015 12:12 PM (gAgEE)

209 They won't have to be forced - they'll want to wear them.

Posted by: anon a mouse at September 11, 2015 12:12 PM (C9pBZ)

It will be "liberating."

*spit*

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 12:13 PM (kff5f)

210 The only way to get this discussion onto some grounds that we can fight on and potentially win, is to keep it on root causes and bad policy choices, while simultaneously expressing large amounts of sympathy for the refugees, themselves.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 12:02 PM (ljZD2)

--

I don't think we ever have much success trying to give history lessons on the political battlefield. Sucks, but that seems to be the outcome of such efforts.

Frankly, how do these numbers compare to the overall number of immigrants we accept every year from U.S.-hating Muslim countries? I'd rather spend political capital on that than on targeting 10,000 to 75,000 "refugees." I don't think the math makes sense here.

Posted by: CJ at September 11, 2015 12:13 PM (9KqcB)

211 My main question would be based on the religion of the refugees.

Are they Christians who face persecution and death? Or are they Muslims escaping on hell hole to only create another one here?

Posted by: Cheri at September 11, 2015 12:13 PM (oiNtH)

212 I wonder what that will do to the percentage of Muslims in America. Currently under 1%.

But that will increase exponentially in just about ten years.

What do you think that will do for the SSM legal carve out we made for the glorious 3%?

Posted by: Ty Angur at September 11, 2015 12:09 PM (1vvap)

*******************
As always, I eagerly await the gay pride parade outside the mosque on Friday. Or for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence to hold a "Hunky Mohammed" contest.

In the broader sense, when the revolution finally wins and the war of the fellow travelers begins, my money is on the suicide bombers over the interior decorators.

Posted by: Zombie Ron Ziegler at September 11, 2015 12:13 PM (5f5bM)

213 It's not Bush's fault. It never was his fault. We
know whose fault it was, and Hillary "dissent is patriotic" Clinton
wants to be our next president.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 12:04 PM (ry4ab)

In one way, I agree with you, but an intelligent opposition party would have known that the progressives would move heaven and earth to screw up and tarnish any military solution, especially one run by a Republican and taken steps to get in destroy and depart before we got enmeshed in a land war.

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 11, 2015 12:14 PM (ftVQq)

214 Btw who do you guys think is the highway shooter in AZ? Random crazy or terrorist?

Posted by: @votermom at September 11, 2015 12:04 PM (cbfNE)

Obviously right wing fanatics!

-
And how about that ISIS supporter who wanted to blow up the 9/11 memorial stair climb named Goldberg? Explains why all the Jews called in sick on 9/11.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 12:14 PM (XUKZU)

215 and, BTW, the whole "we'll screen them" is so much bullshit.

the first time anyone tries to do that, the usual suspects will scream that you're profiling, and that's racist.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:14 PM (7vjeC)

216 10k women and children? Sure. Sorry fighting-age adult males.

Posted by: HoboJerk, Completely Unreasonable at September 11, 2015 12:14 PM (bjHLG)

217 178 good plan jwest .... even if the zone is in a nearby country.

I like it because it can be put into place quickly.

Posted by: jwest at September 11, 2015 12:14 PM (Zs4uk)

218 Here's one of the Enya "Only Time" 9/110 tributes, a 5'30" one. Maybe there's a better one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCuuEJK5crM

Posted by: m at September 11, 2015 12:14 PM (ELEPX)

219 the ladies on The View being forced to wear burkas.

They won't have to be forced - they'll want to wear them.

"This One Old Weird Trick Makes Unsightly Belly Fat Disappear"

Posted by: Mortimer at September 11, 2015 12:15 PM (gAgEE)

220 Islam is the problem.
It really is that simple.

Islam is incompatible with judeo -Christian culture

Posted by: Yo! at September 11, 2015 12:15 PM (GwIKd)

221 On Facebook there are a number of people who identify as conservative living in Arizona. I bet they all have guns too! Just sayin.

Posted by: Brian Ross at September 11, 2015 12:15 PM (HstNY)

222 The Republic is gone. The U.S. (and the rest of the western world) is slowly becoming the vaccum that Baraka created in the ME. It's obvious from the news that our "leaders" are welcoming the new caliphate. They're under the delusion that they'll be able to control it.

Fucking traitors. All of them.

Posted by: Soona at September 11, 2015 12:15 PM (Fmupd)

223 *9/11 not 9/110
sheesh

Posted by: m at September 11, 2015 12:15 PM (ELEPX)

224 "Explains why all the Jews called in sick on 9/11."

they didn't...

next moonbat comment please

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:15 PM (7vjeC)

225 We should give them free flying lessons, too.

-
We should get a cut rate because they won't need to learn landing.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 12:15 PM (XUKZU)

226 I think we should remember 9/11 by bombing the everloving Persian shit outta Tehran.

Posted by: maddogg

The time to help Iran was in 2011 when a minority rose up against their tyrannical regime and Barry the Fucknut let them twist in the wind.

This whole shit-nest could have been on its way to being over had we help them.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 11, 2015 12:15 PM (JmGFJ)

227 This is now freaking me out. Been noting puffiness and soreness under one eye... well just looked in mirror at lower eyelid... eeekkk looks like I have a zit inside the eyelid...

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2015 12:16 PM (8WSy/)

228 I agree with this post. I think we need to be careful and the fact that 70% of refugees are adult single males there is cause for concern. The fact that people in Hungary were shouting, "Allahu Akbhar" and F. you to Humgarians and throwing feces, yes some of them will become radicalized.

I have not put out my sign for today. I actually have 2 whiteboard signs I can use

I'm thinking of something combining 9/11 and Syrian refugees. Any suggestions?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2015 11:40 AM (OSs/l)

Become radicalized? Become? Fen, they are radical already. They are invaders posing as refugees. Shoot, shovel, and shut up. (directed at the Hungarians, not you)

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2015 12:16 PM (VjGvG)

229 The only way to get this discussion onto some grounds that we can fight
on and potentially win, is to keep it on root causes and bad policy
choices, while simultaneously expressing large amounts of sympathy for
the refugees, themselves.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 12:02 PM (ljZD2)

Like Trump did yesterday.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 11, 2015 12:16 PM (gAgEE)

230

Czech pres says: 1. nobody invited you. 2. respect our rules. 3. If you dont like it here, get out.
============
Now, is that so hard to say??

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 11, 2015 12:16 PM (iQIUe)

231 "Islam is incompatible with judeo -Christian culture"

hell, it's incompatible with civilization, period

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:17 PM (7vjeC)

232 Who has tent cities, zillions of petrodollars, a cultural and religious imperative to hospitality and is right next door.

Survey says - Saudis.

Posted by: DaveA at September 11, 2015 12:17 PM (DL2i+)

233
American crowd cheering after application for a mosque is rejected by city council in Sterling Heights.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 11, 2015 12:17 PM (iQIUe)

234 184
>>As has been observed before, these refugees tend to have money.
On the dinghy that capsized, people paid 10k US dollars. Everybody has
smart phones and they have decent clothes. So, how bad can it be?

A lot of those people are not fleeing Syria - they may have left
Syria a few years ago and settled in Turkey. Then they found out Germany
has much better benefits. Like the father of the drowned toddler - we
was living and working in Turkey, but wanted to go to Germany to get his
teeth fixed for free. His greed killed that child, not ISIS.
--------------
The term you want is vulkerwanderung Lizzy. First come the soldiers and guest workers. Then after a while follows the rest of the tribe with the women, children, and all their worldly goods. The Alans, Goths, and Heruls are here in the West pleading sanctuary from the Huns. At the same time though they are not citizens, do not want to be citizens, and they can enforce their rule over a helpless citizenry and a corrupt government if they get enough weapons.
Except of course that the Goths at least didn't mind turning into ersatz Romans after a while. I do not think the Syrians will want to do that...

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 12:17 PM (ry4ab)

235 And now for your daily reminder that there are some, cough, women who belong in a burqa:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229526/

Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at September 11, 2015 12:17 PM (o+SC1)

236 Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2015 12:16 PM (8WSy/)

My brother occasionally gets those; yes they're gross. Normally he gets a washrag and soaks it in *very* hot (near scalding) water, and covers his eye with it for about 30 minutes to an hour.

He says that normally takes care of his.

Of course, yours could be something else entirely, so it might be wise to go see a doctor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 12:17 PM (kff5f)

237 230

Czech pres says: 1. nobody invited you. 2. respect our rules. 3. If you dont like it here, get out.
============
Now, is that so hard to say??
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 11, 2015 12:16 PM (iQIUe)

I like it. A more street version would be "This is MY house! If you don't like it, get the FUCK out!"

Posted by: Insomniac at September 11, 2015 12:18 PM (2Ojst)

238 "Explains why all the Jews called in sick on 9/11."

they didn't...

next moonbat comment please

-
Joke. Itr may be in bad taste but that's my style.

Goldberg story:

http://tinyurl.com/nqgp37d

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 12:18 PM (XUKZU)

239 looks like I have a zit inside the eyelid...

If you don't have pink eye it's just a sty, like a pimple sort of. Warm compresses will speed the healing.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 11, 2015 12:18 PM (evdj2)

240 Sure, it seems like good punctuation to his deal with McConnell and Iran to kill all the Jews.

Posted by: Methos at September 11, 2015 12:18 PM (ZbV+0)

241 Time to research Syrian Muslim pornography and see if I can find some upside to all of this craziness.

Maybe the Syrians have invented a new sex act. There must be some sick, twisted reason the Germans are climbing all over themselves to let these people in.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 11, 2015 12:18 PM (AC0lD)

242 I'm just flipping angry.

At the kabuki Congress for letting the Iraq deal pass.

At the SCOAMF for this latest stupid move. I don't think he's a Muslim, but I'm damn sure he's a sympathizer now. He's a base, worthless traitor and I won't say what I wish would happen to him.

And I'm angry at God -- at least today -- because my Dad has been diagnosed with both lung and brain cancer.

I've just about had it with everyone. I want to get on the air and scream at people "Don't you understand what the hell is going on? Don't you care at all?"

But I'd just get fired, and the majority of people will keep on looking at their phones for Kardashian updates.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at September 11, 2015 12:19 PM (4X5NS)

243 "I don't think we ever have much success trying to give history lessons
on the political battlefield. Sucks, but that seems to be the outcome of
such efforts.

Frankly, how do these numbers compare to the overall number of
immigrants we accept every year from U.S.-hating Muslim countries? I'd
rather spend political capital on that than on targeting 10,000 to
75,000 "refugees." I don't think the math makes sense here."

Yes and no. I think that keeping the focus on how this happened is useful. One could say something like this in response to a typical question about "Are you in favor of letting them in?" : "Well, the president deciding to admit these refugees is the latest bad decision in a string of bad decisions that created the refugee crisis in the first place."

The Obama people want the right using words like "invasion" and focused on "Muslims = bad" rather than on the policy failure. They want to be able to paint the opposition as racist and ignorant. Why so many of those on our side allow them to do that by immediately using those terms is mind-boggling.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 12:20 PM (ljZD2)

244 Eye zit is a Stye IIRC

Posted by: Bigby's Snake handling Hands at September 11, 2015 12:20 PM (JlwK3)

245 And I'm angry at God -- at least today -- because my Dad has been diagnosed with both lung and brain cancer.

Oh, crap, CW. Prayers up.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 12:20 PM (kff5f)

246 Anna what they said about warm compresses.

Variation is a warm drained teabag (the tannin also helps with swelling).

Posted by: @votermom at September 11, 2015 12:20 PM (cbfNE)

247 >>In the broader sense, when the revolution finally wins and the war of the fellow travelers begins, my money is on the suicide bombers over the interior decorators.

Yep. Just look at the Black Lives Matters crew who have aligned w/CAIR and the Palestinians. They're calling for attacks on police on **9/11**.
Let that sink in.

They want to kill the people, the first responders, who would protect them from 9/11-style attackers.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2015 12:21 PM (NOIQH)

248 I like it. A more street version would be "This is MY house! If you don't like it, get the FUCK out!"

I've long equated our nation's borders with the front door to our homes. There's no way that those who are pushing open borders would ever just leave their own front doors open.

But they expect the rest of us to that very thing.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 11, 2015 12:21 PM (LUgeY)

249 Btw who do you guys think is the highway shooter in AZ? Random crazy or terrorist?

-
My guess: A white teenage loser of the Dylan Klebold/Eric Harris variety.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 12:22 PM (XUKZU)

250 I'll tell you one thing, if Obama pulled what Merkel is doing with nearly a million Syrians, I honestly believe you would see armed Americans descending on DC.

Posted by: Kal at September 11, 2015 12:22 PM (taY05)

251 A thought. With their so-called draconian immigration laws, places like Mehico and Russia will start looking like the shining beacons of freedom to many. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Soona at September 11, 2015 12:22 PM (Fmupd)

252 Prayers up, Cap'n.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 11, 2015 12:22 PM (LUgeY)

253 Sorry to hear captain

Posted by: Bigby's Snake handling Hands at September 11, 2015 12:22 PM (JlwK3)

254 @CW

That's how I lost my Dad. A truly horrible time; I wish you and yours all the best doctors, care, and a miracle for good measure.

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 11, 2015 12:23 PM (QFjNO)

255 "Like Trump did yesterday."

And Scott Walker did a WEEK AGO, when Trump was still waffling about it. Walker clearly said that answering a hypothetical about admission levels of refugees was premature when we hadn't addressed the root cause of there being refugees in the first place.

But, everybody is in "why Walker is dead" mode, herd-think mentality and took the media's bait to focus on the "hypothetical" sentence out of his two paragraphs response.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 12:23 PM (ljZD2)

256 The only way to get this discussion onto some grounds that we can fight
on and potentially win, is to keep it on root causes and bad policy
choices, while simultaneously expressing large amounts of sympathy for
the refugees, themselves.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 12:02 PM (ljZD2)

We could adopt the leftists' formula: "We support the refugees, but not the Administration's policies."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2015 12:23 PM (oKE6c)

257 248

That is where libertarians and I part ways. I can agree on many of their stands on policy...but you can't have both a welfare state and open borders. That's where we are now, and one day the bottom will drop out.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at September 11, 2015 12:23 PM (4X5NS)

258 Posted by: Captain Whitebread at September 11, 2015 12:19 PM (4X5NS)

Damn. Sorry, man.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 11, 2015 12:23 PM (2Ojst)

259 ((Captain Whitebread))
Prayers for your dad.

Posted by: @votermom at September 11, 2015 12:23 PM (cbfNE)

260 At the minimum every Islamic refugee should have to denounce in writing the Islamic / Koranic edict of conversion by the sword and agreement to respect freedom of religion.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 11, 2015 12:24 PM (YccS3)

261 Did I hear someone call for a warm, drained teabag ?

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 11, 2015 12:24 PM (93CuU)

262 213
It's not Bush's fault. It never was his fault. We

know whose fault it was, and Hillary "dissent is patriotic" Clinton

wants to be our next president.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 12:04 PM (ry4ab)

In
one way, I agree with you, but an intelligent opposition party would
have known that the progressives would move heaven and earth to screw up
and tarnish any military solution, especially one run by a Republican
and taken steps to get in destroy and depart before we got enmeshed in a
land war.
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Yeah, Dubya expected all the USA to support him from the reasonable position that the USA had been attacked on its home ground for the first time since 1941. Well it didn't happen. But that speaks more of the Democrats' shameless political opportunism (and post-2000 butthurt) than Bush's failure as a leader. And it was the sad proof that the blame-America-first Left long nurtured by the KGB had gotten too much influence.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 12:24 PM (ry4ab)

263 I'll tell you one thing, if Obama pulled what Merkel is doing with nearly a million Syrians, I honestly believe you would see armed Americans descending on DC.
Posted by: Kal at September 11, 2015 12:22 PM (taY05)

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No. You wouldn't. All you'd hear is more whimpering.

Posted by: Soona at September 11, 2015 12:24 PM (Fmupd)

264 I don't care what particular creed to whatever deity they happen to
follow. I've met plenty of shitty Christian Arabs over the years. My aunt married one who threatened her with an honor killing and beat her regularly. They're more Muslim
than Christian in culture and attitude. They don't belong here either.

Posted by: Naes at September 11, 2015 12:25 PM (Ypc8j)

265 mayo clinic sez:

mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sty/basics/symptoms/con-20022698

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:25 PM (7vjeC)

266 The only saving grace is that which can't continue, won't.

I mean, really, if you're in the LIB Coupe DeVille, this gooses the gas pedal a little bit.

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 11, 2015 12:25 PM (QFjNO)

267 Libertarianism will pursue the most dumb objectives in the quest for smaller government and it's usually self-defeating.

They're the types that will make a big stink because the public library doesn't allow people to download porn.

Posted by: Kal at September 11, 2015 12:26 PM (taY05)

268 Posted by: Captain Whitebread at September 11, 2015 12:19 PM (4X5NS)

So sorry about your dad. I will pray for him.
But don't get fired. That will not make things easier for you.

Find some place safe to yell and cry.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2015 12:26 PM (OSs/l)

269 Prayers for your father, Captain. Please don't go full Howard Beale on the air. You can do a lot of good in small doses over time.

Posted by: Furious George at September 11, 2015 12:26 PM (UlJ3l)

270 >>We could adopt the leftists' formula: "We support the refugees, but not the Administration's policies."

How about: "I question the timing! Why so many refugees, why now?"

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2015 12:27 PM (NOIQH)

271 I mean, really, if you're in the LIB Coupe DeVille, this gooses the gas pedal a little bit.
Posted by: Chupacabras
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As a passenger, I'm uncomfortable.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 11, 2015 12:27 PM (9mTYi)

272 Captain Whitebread

My thoughts and prayers for all of you as well.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 11, 2015 12:27 PM (AC0lD)

273 "At the minimum every Islamic refugee should have to denounce in writing
the Islamic / Koranic edict of conversion by the sword and agreement to
respect freedom of religion."

that would be an exercise in taqiyya for them...

at least the ones that could write.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:27 PM (7vjeC)

274 Captain Whitebread, I know there's little I can do to offer real comfort, but please know I'm praying for you and your family and sending you internet hugs.

I've been through the cancer thing in my family.

Posted by: Emmie at September 11, 2015 12:27 PM (qSQG+)

275 Of fcuk me now....

GoFundMe just reported me to the Feds.... Why? Because I was working on a funding request to the sequel for Golden Isis. You see ISIS is now a naughty word.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2015 12:27 PM (8WSy/)

276 Yesterday, I saw an estimate that fully 70% of the "refugees" are military aged young men. Hardly any women or children.

This is setting up to be... what's the word...

memorable.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at September 11, 2015 12:27 PM (BZAd3)

277 Google the Jeff Sessions chart on Refugee/Welfare use 2008-2013:

91% on food stamps

73% on Medicaid

68% Cash Assistance

32% on SSI, designed to "help aged, blind, and disabled people, who have little or no income."

Posted by: CJ at September 11, 2015 12:27 PM (9KqcB)

278 So we bring in 100,000 refugees to replace the aborted pregnancies we have every year.

Ya, if I were female I wouldn't want the inconvenience either, let someone else suffer the effects.

Posted by: Randull Hultguunson at September 11, 2015 12:27 PM (XkqXf)

279 @Mike Hammer

You aren't a passenger, you're in the trunk.

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 11, 2015 12:27 PM (QFjNO)

280 Libertarianism will pursue the most dumb objectives in the quest for smaller government and it's usually self-defeating.

They're the types that will make a big stink because the public library doesn't allow people to download porn.

Posted by: Kal at September 11, 2015 12:26 PM (taY05)
You left out smoking weed.
Libertarianism is the intellectual equivalent of jerking off. It's dorm room philosophizing at its most egregious.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2015 12:28 PM (oKE6c)

281 Apparently Hungary has soldiers defending its border from refugees now. Using tear gas, I think.

Posted by: @votermom at September 11, 2015 12:29 PM (cbfNE)

282 ">>We could adopt the leftists' formula: "We support the refugees, but not the Administration's policies."

How about: "I question the timing! Why so many refugees, why now?""

Either of these are very good responses, too.

Anything to not accept the media/DNC formulation of "good people support refugees now vs. haters who hate."

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 12:29 PM (ljZD2)

283 So sorry to hear, Captain Whitebread. Prayers sent.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 11, 2015 12:29 PM (/Ho8c)

284 Yeah, Dubya expected all the USA to support him from the reasonable position that

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It's a bad thing to kill Americans showing he has no understanding of the Democrat Party.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 12:30 PM (XUKZU)

285 #275: do we have to make reservations, or is it 1st cum, 1st served?

/me ducks

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:30 PM (7vjeC)

286 Anything to not accept the media/DNC formulation of "good people support refugees now vs. haters who hate."

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 12:29 PM (ljZD2)

I support the refugees. I started a hashtag campaign: #YayRefugees.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2015 12:30 PM (oKE6c)

287 GoFundMe just reported me to the Feds.... Why? Because I was working on a funding request to the sequel for Golden Isis. You see ISIS is now a naughty word.

Posted by: Anna Puma

omg

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 11, 2015 12:30 PM (/Ho8c)

288 Sorry to hear that, CW. That's tough. Prayers for you and your dad.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at September 11, 2015 12:30 PM (viKLU)

289 275
Of fcuk me now....

GoFundMe just reported me to the Feds.... Why? Because I was working on a funding request to the sequel for Golden Isis. You see ISIS is now a naughty word.
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The benefits of a public school education!

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 12:30 PM (ry4ab)

290 Thanks for the prayers, folks.

Dad is taking this much more calmly than I am right now. Could be shock, I don't know, but it's really the way it's always been.

We talked yesterday, and I told him I had a dinner date...and he said with the twinkle in his voice I've always loved... "A dinner date? With a GIRL??"

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at September 11, 2015 12:31 PM (4X5NS)

291 Yesterday, I saw an estimate that fully 70% of the "refugees" are military aged young men. Hardly any women or children.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at September 11, 2015 12:27 PM (BZAd3)

Yes.

The image of what people think when they hear "refugee" has little connection to reality. (But look at how carefully the media images are edited to play to the outdated notion, not reality.)

Just like "the poor" bare almost no resemblance to "the poor" that exist in the minds of most U.S. voters.

Posted by: CJ at September 11, 2015 12:31 PM (9KqcB)

292 The only saving grace is that which can't continue, won't.

I've heard that saying for years, too, yet it keeps on continuing.

I've never seen the likes of what's happening these days. The whole world is going bugfuck crazy right before my eyes and I cannot make any sense of it.

This will get out of hand...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 11, 2015 12:31 PM (LUgeY)

293 McConnell/Boehner 2016!
Wouldn't You Rather Be Betrayed by A Republican?

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 12:31 PM (XUKZU)

294 Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2015 12:27 PM (8WSy/)

Wow; Sorry. That's bizarre.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2015 12:31 PM (OSs/l)

295 GoFundMe just reported me to the Feds.... Why? Because I was working on a funding request to the sequel for Golden Isis. You see ISIS is now a naughty word.

--

#facepalm

Good luck.

Posted by: @votermom at September 11, 2015 12:31 PM (cbfNE)

296 "Apparently Hungary has soldiers defending its border from refugees now. Using tear gas, I think."

claymores would be more effective... ;-)

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:32 PM (7vjeC)

297 You should have started the Gofundme for a book titled The Golden Felcher.

Wouldn't have had any problem with that title...

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 11, 2015 12:32 PM (QFjNO)

298 Didn't Walker finally answer that, and come out against importing refugees here? At first he mentioned the hypothetical part and wouldn't answer. Indeed it is good to mention how we got "here". But then the solution is to keep refugees THERE, or close by, per international "law". Walker needs to be bold and decisive ... he seems hesitant.

I recommend he be more bold on "no citizenship for illegals", ending anchor baby silliness. He's from Madison ... preach a little James Madison to us Brother Scott. I'd like to sing in his choir, but he has to be strong.

Posted by: Illiniwek at September 11, 2015 12:32 PM (6zZ5y)

299 GoFundMe just reported me to the Feds.... Why? Because I was working on a
funding request to the sequel for Golden Isis. You see ISIS is now a
naughty word.

Spare a thought for Isis Pharmaceuticals (NASDAQ: ISIS).

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2015 12:32 PM (oKE6c)

300 >>> Some of those refugees or their American born children will become terrorists.

The most important question you have to ask yourself is, will they look good staring at you pensively, dreamily even, on the cover of our magazine?

Priorities, people!

Posted by: Rolling Stone at September 11, 2015 12:33 PM (hvf9s)

301 I've never seen the likes of what's happening these days. The whole world is going bugfuck crazy right before my eyes and I cannot make any sense of it.

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Two of my long-term questions have been answered. 1) I never understood how the Germans could just sit back and let Hitler take over. 2) I never understood how the world could just sit back and let WWII happen. Now both questions are being answered in real time right before my eyes.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 12:34 PM (XUKZU)

302 Look on the bright side ... That eye-zit ain't no big thing, now is it ?

Posted by: Irony at September 11, 2015 12:34 PM (93CuU)

303 I've never seen the likes of what's happening these days. The whole world is going bugfuck crazy right before my eyes and I cannot make any sense of it.

Tell me about it. And most people don't want to talk about it, because they'll be riduculed, shouted down or berated by the libs and leftists (BIRM).

It even happens in this Oklahoma town.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at September 11, 2015 12:34 PM (4X5NS)

304 @Backwards boy

Also, as they also say: it comes on slowly, then all at once.

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 11, 2015 12:34 PM (QFjNO)

305 284
Yeah, Dubya expected all the USA to support him from the reasonable position that

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It's a bad thing to kill Americans showing he has no understanding of the Democrat Party.
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Yeah, just blame Dubya for the sins of the disloyal opposition. Did you want him to become Pinochet II for the sake of thumping some Muzzies overseas?

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 12:34 PM (ry4ab)

306 Also, the schools in the safe zone would be taught in English. All semblances of oppression (burkas/veils, etc.) would be outlawed and the safe zone would look like a western city.

In a few generations, you've got the Islamic craziness weeded out.

Posted by: jwest at September 11, 2015 11:45 AM (Zs4uk)

Now, expand that concept to the entire muslim world, and you've got something. Divvy up the entire "dar al islam" into pieces of a suitable size for militarily capable Western nations to digest. (and I would count China, Japan, and south Korea as "western" for this purpose) Each colonial power gets to own its colony(s) outright, and all the resources, and run the place as a paternalistic despotism. Outlaw the overt practice of islam, and bulldoze all the mosques. Outlaw printing and distribution of korans, and of preaching from said book. Encourage missionaries from Christianity, Mormon, and Buddhism to work in the population. Heck, even give the Scientologists a crack at them.

Those muzz who do whole-heartedly convert get a crack at government jobs within the colonial administration. Eventually, if enough of the locals convert, and islamic beliefs/practice become very scarce, moves could be made to grant independence to these colonies. (basically do what the British Empire tried to do, but was unable to finish)

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2015 12:34 PM (VjGvG)

307 Some of those refugees or their American born children will become terrorists.

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Death is a small price to pay for diversity.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 12:34 PM (XUKZU)

308 292 The only saving grace is that which can't continue, won't.

I don't know about that anymore. Things just seem to continue.

Posted by: rrpjr at September 11, 2015 12:34 PM (s/yC1)

309 Daniel Craig gave $47,300 to Bernie Sanders via questionable super PAC the senator does not sponsor

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When did he become a citizen? I know his wife is an american. Can non americans make donations to political pacs?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 11, 2015 12:35 PM (iQIUe)

310 Alliteration aside...

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 11, 2015 12:35 PM (QFjNO)

311 But, everybody is in "why Walker is dead" mode, herd-think mentality

By herd-think, I assume you mean we can read the Iowa poll that has him in tenth place?

Besides why would I settle on Walker when I could have someone who upsets you as much as Trump does?

Posted by: Methos at September 11, 2015 12:35 PM (ZbV+0)

312 It's not Bush's fault. It never was his fault.
Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 12:04 PM (ry4ab)

I thought he cfuked up the occupation. Not nearly enough troops to keep order, and instead of utilizing the ba'athists to runt he country they released tens of thousands of unemployed on the streets. Cfuking brilliant.

That said, I give him and Petraeus a great deal of credit for the surge and for winning in the end.

But then he made his biggest mistake, which was to enshrine Islam officially in the Iraqi consititution, instead of insisting on religious freedom, which incidentally would have gone a long way to keeping the Shi'as from abusing the minority Sunnis.

Either that, or partitioning, but Turkey was really against an independent Kurdestahn.

That said, it was mostly stable when W left office. All to be thrown away by the feckless JEF.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 11, 2015 12:35 PM (laMCB)

313 >>> Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2015 12:27 PM (8WSy/)

Are you on the no fly list now too? Utter facepalm.

Posted by: LizLem at September 11, 2015 12:36 PM (hvf9s)

314 Also, the schools in the safe zone would be taught in English. All
semblances of oppression (burkas/veils, etc.) would be outlawed and the
safe zone would look like a western city.

In a few generations, you've got the Islamic craziness weeded out.

Posted by: jwest at September 11, 2015 11:45 AM (Zs4uk)

Yeah, that's sorta how the Spanish got the inhabitants of Mexico to stop cutting each others' hearts out.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 11, 2015 12:36 PM (/Ho8c)

315 Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:27 PM (7vjeC)

That's why I said in writing. It makes a difference.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 11, 2015 12:37 PM (YccS3)

316 303 "I've never seen the likes of what's happening these days. The whole world is going bugfuck crazy right before my eyes and I cannot make any sense of it."

Right. The only possible response is to call it out, to ask, "are we going insane"? "Why are we allowing these insane things to happen?" This is the correct political response, not to soft-soap it all and try to be clever about it. Just say it.

Posted by: rrpjr at September 11, 2015 12:38 PM (s/yC1)

317 Posted by: Captain Whitebread at September 11, 2015 12:31 PM (4X5NS)

Sounds like a good man. There fact that your father has that temperament will probably be a help to him and all of you.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2015 12:38 PM (OSs/l)

318 GoFundMe just reported me to the Feds.... Why? Because I was working on a funding request to the sequel for Golden Isis. You see ISIS is now a naughty word.

Okay, I get this sucks for you and will be beyond "horribly inconvenient..."

But it's kind of funny.

I'm sorry.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 12:38 PM (kff5f)

319 296
"Apparently Hungary has soldiers defending its border from refugees now. Using tear gas, I think."

claymores would be more effective... ;-)
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Tear gas is effective when the goblin-horde has no firearms. They can decide to keep eating tear gas, or go to Germany and get three hots and a cot.

Of course, some of them are bound to push things to the limit. I suspect we will hear no more of immigrants storming the Hungarian barricades after the soldiers are permitted to shoot.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 12:38 PM (ry4ab)

320 309 Daniel Craig gave $47,300 to Bernie Sanders via questionable super PAC the senator does not sponsor

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When did he become a citizen? I know his wife is an american. Can non americans make donations to political pacs?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 11, 2015 12:35 PM (iQIUe)

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You're forgetting. There are no laws for the elites and the favored party members. Laws are for people like us.

Posted by: Soona at September 11, 2015 12:39 PM (Fmupd)

321 Silly season:

A mysterious advocacy group is targeting Republican frontrunner Donald J. Trump in a new online attack ad, the Washington Free Beacon has learned exclusively.

The ad, produced by the outside spending group Golf Cart Veterans for Truth, takes aim at Trump over his alleged cheating habits on the golf course, as detailed in a recent Washington Post report.

Asked about the numerous accusations of cheating from former golfing partners during a press conference last week, Trump dismissed them as "absolutely false," telling reporters: "I win at golf, that I can tell you."

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 12:39 PM (XUKZU)

322 Daniel Craig gave $47,300 to Bernie Sanders via questionable super PAC the senator does not sponsor

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When did he become a citizen? I know his wife is an american. Can non americans make donations to political pacs?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!

Bernie promised to make him a gen-u-wine double naught spy.

Posted by: Jethro Bodine at September 11, 2015 12:40 PM (W5DcG)

323 It's a bad thing to kill Americans showing he has no understanding of the Democrat Party.

Democrats aren't Americans, they're 'citizens of the world', so what would they care?

Posted by: Methos at September 11, 2015 12:41 PM (ZbV+0)

324 Hallelujah, hallelujah.

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 11, 2015 12:42 PM (QFjNO)

325 There are no laws for the elites and the favored party members.

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It's called the Hillary! Exception.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 12:42 PM (XUKZU)

326 Bring in another 10K mohamadans? That would be like raising rattlesnakes in the back yard of your grandchildren's daycare. Not one mohamadan more should be allowed into this country and a big damn majority of those already here should be deported. Do not let America (and civilization) go down the drain, people! It is a fact that mohadanism does not improve a freaking thing. They only destroy what is good and decent, as do all of satan's works.

Posted by: Eromero at September 11, 2015 12:42 PM (go5uR)

327 >>>I thought he fucked up the occupation. Not nearly enough troops to keep order, and instead of utilizing the ba'athists to runt he country they released tens of thousands of unemployed on the streets. Fucking brilliant.

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was one of them, as were most of the core of ISIS's original military capability.

I fixed the spelling errors in the quote because I find intentionally misspelled swear words offensive.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 11, 2015 12:42 PM (TULs6)

328 319: tear gas doesn't w*rk on everyone... claymores do. ;-)

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:42 PM (7vjeC)

329 Bring in another 10K mohamadans? That would be like raising rattlesnakes in the back yard of your grandchildren's daycare.

Poetry. Sheer poetry.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2015 12:43 PM (oKE6c)

330 Bernie promised to make him a gen-u-wine double naught spy.

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I've been reading the latest Hard Luck Hank novel, Suck My Cosmos. He had to buy a license to harm. And they tax gravity. Pretty funny.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 12:43 PM (XUKZU)

331 I'm out. Gotta run errands.

Posted by: Soona at September 11, 2015 12:44 PM (Fmupd)

332 #328: especially if you wire a WP grenade or two to the front of each one.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:44 PM (7vjeC)

333
Maybe the Syrians have invented a new sex act. There must be some sick, twisted reason the Germans are climbing all over themselves to let these people in.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 11, 2015 12:18 PM (AC0lD)

_______________________

I hear that sheep have replaced the goats....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 11, 2015 12:44 PM (HSmrB)

334 Send them to Fresno, CA. They will realize the US isn't that different than the 3rd world and they might want to go back.

Posted by: pointsnfigures at September 11, 2015 12:44 PM (LnE5F)

335 I fixed the spelling errors in the quote because I find intentionally misspelled swear words offensive.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 11, 2015 12:42 PM (TULs6)

Oh, yeah? Well ~~fuck~~ cfuk you!

Need a safe space?

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 11, 2015 12:45 PM (laMCB)

336 "By herd-think, I assume you mean we can read the Iowa poll that has him in tenth place?"

No, I mean that everybody and their brother has written a think-piece on "Where Walker Went Wrong" in the last 10 days. It's unoriginal and mindless. Especially considering that we have had exactly one debate of eight, there are 17 declared candidates, nobody will cast a ballot for five more months, and Walker is one of five candidates with more than 30 million in the bank already to do ads/GOTV. It's not even the middle of September of the year before, for Christ's sake.

That Q poll has three folks outside the margin of error. Three. Out of 17.

"Besides why would I settle on Walker when I could have someone who upsets you as much as Trump does?"

I'm glad my choices are so high on your decision-making priority list. I'd encourage you to make your own evaluations independent of others, however.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 12:45 PM (ljZD2)

337 There must be some sick, twisted reason the Germans are climbing all over themselves to let these people in.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 11, 2015 12:18 PM (AC0lD)

Just the old guilt, self-loathing and self-righteous delusion.

Posted by: rrpjr at September 11, 2015 12:45 PM (s/yC1)

338 Poor Anna, undone by knee-jerk PC. Well I guess it's all Incan, Khmer, and Norse treasure for your adventurers to chase in future installments. Being on a no-fly list is annoying, but I've been informed by traveling relatives that a few extra days on the road with a rental is worth it.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 12:46 PM (ry4ab)

339 OT, but good news: Twitchy is reporting that the brilliant mayor of Baltimore is NOT going to run for re-election...

i wonder why?

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:47 PM (7vjeC)

340 I've actually heard that Germany has had a net emigration of native born Germans over the past couple of years mostly for economic opportunity. Can anyone confirm/deny?

Posted by: Naes at September 11, 2015 12:47 PM (Ypc8j)

341 Just because a group of people "means no harm" doesn't mean that can't do harm.

Just by their numbers and the differences in language and religion will cause changes to occur wherever they are.

And that doesn't take into consideration the militancy of their religion and the potential for many of them to be ex-fighters for Islam from either side.

If the Country allows this then we might as well all go live in Idaho because we're no longer going to have many choices other than where we live as to how we live.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 11, 2015 12:48 PM (x3GpS)

342 I haven't read the comments but offer this if it hasn't been linked yet:

go right now over to Ann Barnhardt and take a goooood loooong look at the fate of Elin Krantz, a swedish beauty and diversity advocate.

That is what you can expect if you let these muslims in unvetted. or even vetted.

They do not assimilate.

This is a fight for our daughters. A time for real men. And Dana Loesch.

Posted by: derak at September 11, 2015 12:48 PM (ga96V)

343 For anyone who might care: Finnish M39 Rifles at Classic $349.99

http://bit.ly/1Q6UdAR

Posted by: Alfred Krupp at September 11, 2015 12:48 PM (rwI+c)

344 The best outcome for Obama is if voices on the right start yammering about how evil Islam is, and all that typical noise. Then they will have some small bit of credence to justify their strategy of making the discussion between "bigots" and "poor, defenseless refugees."

The only way to get this discussion onto some grounds that we can fight on and potentially win, is to keep it on root causes and bad policy choices, while simultaneously expressing large amounts of sympathy for the refugees, themselves.

We need to stop taking the bait Obama offers us. Lucy, football, rinse and repeat.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 12:02 PM (ljZD2)

And the mask slips off....

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2015 12:48 PM (VjGvG)

345 prayers up Captain W

Posted by: ginaswo at September 11, 2015 12:48 PM (qxNrP)

346 Well just sent as non-confrontational an email as I could write to GoFundMe. We shall see. I guess.

In case of legal issues.. please buy my book?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014BTSEYO

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2015 12:49 PM (8WSy/)

347 #341: #Failifornia, for instance...

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:49 PM (7vjeC)

348 Hey, why only 10,000? Why not 100,000 like Kerry said. Why not 500,000 or 1 million?

I mean, that's why America is here, right? To bail out all the failed countries that hate us?

You think any of those Syrian immigrants will be living on the streets of Nantucket or Martha's Vineyard, Mr. Kerry?

Bring 'em all in. As John Brown would have said, the sooner we get this civil war out of the way, the sooner we can get back to being a country.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 11, 2015 12:49 PM (KCQo0)

349 I'd encourage you to make your own evaluations independent of others, however

Toi aussi. ( C'est juste )

Posted by: himself at September 11, 2015 12:49 PM (8CdUx)

350 Maybe it's time for the citizens to help show the elites just how dangerous their attitudes can be?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 11, 2015 12:49 PM (x3GpS)

351 If the Country allows this then we might as well all go live in Idaho because we're no longer going to have many choices other than where we live as to how we live.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That

Alaska, Big River Valley in the Revelation mtns for me.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 11, 2015 12:49 PM (C278+)

352 >>Oh, yeah? Well fuck cfuk you!

You're racist. I'm reporting you to Tumblr.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 11, 2015 12:49 PM (TULs6)

353 This whole thing STINKS!

Posted by: Phyllis Balzac at September 11, 2015 12:50 PM (lU0bX)

354 OK, I did it backwards. I read the post and skimmed the comments. Sacrilege I know.

But, as we ponder the number of "refugees" various and sundry nations are expected to allow in, what do we make of the UN's numbers that less that 30% are women and children and less than half are actually from Syria?

I see a serious issue in that but I'm cranky.

Posted by: Ragamuffin at September 11, 2015 12:50 PM (/J2kU)

355 328
319: tear gas doesn't w*rk on everyone... claymores do. ;-)
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I feel as if I should go before your security detail in Regency garb with a megaphone and read the Riot Act to the militant refugee men. Then I can go to the side and let them face fire and bayonets.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 12:50 PM (ry4ab)

356 Yesterday, I saw an estimate that fully 70% of the "refugees" are military aged young men. Hardly any women or children.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at September 11, 2015 12:27 PM (BZAd3)

Therein lies the tale; Pew Center research, which does everything in their power to push the "American Muslims are peaceful and just like us" get half that right. Economically they match up tick for tick. The divergence is the willingness to see killin' infidels as a good thing. 7% of US Muslims think it is ok. That is a staggering number. I live in a modest sized town. The church hosts 5,000 parishioners. If that were a mosque the number of folks thinking it is ok to kill me is about 350. Where it gets real interesting is when you drill down in the numbers. In the prime jihadi demo of 18-29 year old males 26% think it is just jake to kill your ass. one in four selfie taking males. We fucking need this?

Posted by: mac at September 11, 2015 12:50 PM (0J18b)

357 OT, but good news: Twitchy is reporting that the brilliant mayor of Baltimore is NOT going to run for re-election...

i wonder why?

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Maybe she just needs some safe space for rioting.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 12:50 PM (XUKZU)

358 "...Eventually, if enough of the locals convert, and islamic beliefs/practice become very scarce, moves could be made to grant independence to these colonies. (basically do what the British Empire tried to do, but was unable to finish)"

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2015 12:34 PM (VjGvG

Nothing would please me more than a balls-out colonialism program, but in this instance, at this point in history, I like the idea of going in under the guise of "refugee humanitarianism".

Posted by: jwest at September 11, 2015 12:51 PM (Zs4uk)

359 Soo.... Obama sets Syria on fire, destroys Libya, HELPS Iran, and is now pushing to accept refugees from the very countries he's obliterated.

this is beyond comprehension

But then again we do have president who's stupidity and naivete ar elike gasoline to a fire.

THanks again media.. have anymore more empty suit candidates we can jerk off to?

Posted by: TripleTwenty at September 11, 2015 12:51 PM (MV2jA)

360 339 OT, but good news: Twitchy is reporting that the brilliant mayor of Baltimore is NOT going to run for re-election...

i wonder why?

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:47 PM (7vjeC)

She's throwing her funky panties into the ring for the Presidential nomination.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2015 12:51 PM (oKE6c)

361 >>>The only way to get this discussion onto some grounds that we can fight on and potentially win

Let us know when you find the hill.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 11, 2015 12:52 PM (TULs6)

362 "And the mask slips off...."

I have made no secret that I think that knee-jerk, assholish, racial and religious stereotyping is EXACTLY what the media/DNC complex want us to engage in.

On any number of critical issues.

The fact that some people have an inability to help themselves from confirming the image the Left sells of us, is simply mind-boggling.

Can we finally fight on grounds that actually help us win, for once?

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 12:52 PM (ljZD2)

363 #355: or canister co-ax...

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:52 PM (7vjeC)

364 350
Maybe it's time for the citizens to help show the elites just how dangerous their attitudes can be?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 11, 2015 12:49 PM (x3GpS)

I think we are getting there.

The debt crisis hasn't even killed the welfare state yet. Politicians are paying a very high price to keep their citizens peaceful.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 11, 2015 12:52 PM (AC0lD)

365 exdem13 -two cannon with chain shot.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2015 12:53 PM (8WSy/)

366 @321

Another great story by Andrew Stiles, complete with video of ad.

http://tinyurl.com/nfx42y4

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 12:53 PM (0FSuD)

367 Everybody support Anna, don;t let her writing dream get squashed by illiterate and arbitrary means!

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 12:53 PM (ry4ab)

368 >>If the Country allows this then we might as well all go live in Idaho because we're no longer going to have many choices other than where we live as to how we live.

Nope. HUD no longer allows that. They just implemented a huge new program of assessing the diversity of communities with the plan of taking action to correct communities that are not sufficiently divers.

Hard to imagine this *won't* be used to dump immigrant/refugee populations into communities that are, in their estimation, too white.

These immigrants/refugees are going to be settled in DC and Hollywood, after all.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2015 12:53 PM (NOIQH)

369 About the guy who's two kids (and wife that no one ever mentions) drowned that was front-page news and saw leftists blaming Canada and PM Harper for not allowing them to come to Canada... he's been accused of being one of the people smugglers piloting the boat:

"A woman who was on the boat carrying drowned Syrian toddler Aylan Kurdi has accused his father of being a people smuggler.

Channel Ten reported Zainab Abbas, who lost two children in the tragedy, claims Abdullah Kurdi was at the helm of the boat when it sunk off the Turkish coast.

"He was a smuggler, yes. He was the one that was driving the boat," the woman told Ten over Skype from Iraq through a translator."

The Sydney Morning Herald, Sept 11, 2015

Posted by: andycanuck at September 11, 2015 12:54 PM (LYqIl)

370 >>> but in this instance, at this point in history, I like the idea of going in under the guise of "refugee humanitarianism".

Duplicitous refugee humanitarianism is a big part of the problem. That's never ever gone well for us.

If we can't admit we're killing them all because they suck we probably shouldn't be in the business of killing them.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 11, 2015 12:54 PM (TULs6)

371 And just why do we have a quota for refugees anyway?

Posted by: Darth Randall at September 11, 2015 12:54 PM (6n332)

372 Prayers up, CW.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 11, 2015 12:54 PM (zyIlW)

373 363
#355: or canister co-ax...
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Ah, the celebrated Bonaparte Method for riot control. It is very effective!

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 12:55 PM (ry4ab)

374 "Can we finally fight on grounds that actually help us win, for once?"

that's the next ridge behind our current front lines, right?

for sure we'll make a stand there...right General Preibus?

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:55 PM (7vjeC)

375
The best outcome for Obama is if voices on the right start yammering
about how evil Islam is, and all that typical noise. Then they will have
some small bit of credence to justify their strategy of making the
discussion between "bigots" and "poor, defenseless refugees."

The
only way to get this discussion onto some grounds that we can fight on
and potentially win, is to keep it on root causes and bad policy
choices, while simultaneously expressing large amounts of sympathy for
the refugees, themselves.

We need to stop taking the bait Obama offers us. Lucy, football, rinse and repeat.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 12:02 PM (ljZD2)
Thank you for the GOPe "Voice O' Reason" post. We have been following that advice since 9/11/2001 - this is where it has gotten us. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Who and when has anyone on the GOP side of things ever done what you are suggesting we not do?

Posted by: An Observation at September 11, 2015 12:55 PM (5BeNw)

376 >>OT, but good news: Twitchy is reporting that the brilliant mayor of Baltimore is NOT going to run for re-election...

It's all fun and games handing out favors to friends and family until the SHTF and the people actually expect you to fix things.

Accountability? That's for the guy who replaces me!!

See: Ray Nagin, Kathleen Blanco, every mayor of Detroit for the past 40+ years, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2015 12:56 PM (NOIQH)

377

Democrats aren't Americans, they're 'citizens of the world', so what would they care?
Posted by: Methos at September 11, 2015 12:41 PM (ZbV+0)

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citizens of the world need to be exiled.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 12:56 PM (LXJ1e)

378 Who decides when the Iran deal comes up for vote? WTF is going on? It gets done on 9-11? Are we under threat of major terrorism? Who in their right mind would insult the memory of Americans who perished on this day?

Can anyone explain this? It feels like our govt has a sword or two dangling over their heads? Metaphorically speaking, we are getting our ass kicked. The "refugees" are storming the gates of Vienna and the USA surrenders to Iran on 9-11 abd no one says squat? Unbelievable.

Posted by: sadeyesteve at September 11, 2015 12:56 PM (hlo3O)

379 -The situation in Syria is terrible. It's a staggering humanitarian crisis.

The situation in Syria has always been terrible and, to be frank, I couldn't give a shit about Syrians or their problems. They have done nothing but cause problems for everyone else. They can suck it.

I'd be up for shipping Barky, his junta, and 10,000 democrats to Syria, though ... as refusees.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 11, 2015 12:56 PM (zc3Db)

380 "Who and when has anyone on the GOP side of things ever done what you are suggesting we not do?"

Have you read any of the comments on this thread? Go ahead, read them. I'll wait.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 12:57 PM (ljZD2)

381 We'll take as many as the Saudis do, how's that?

Might be as high as 2-3.

Posted by: mojo at September 11, 2015 12:57 PM (OmBeX)

382 371
And just why do we have a quota for refugees anyway?
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Quotas are what the government is good at, man. Quotas, at least in the pre-Obummer era, were also useful if sometimes arbitrary ways of limiting legal immigration to people who really could use a new start in Land of the Free, or who have actual job skills we could find useful in the Republic.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 12:58 PM (ry4ab)

383 373: where are the Quad-50s when you need them?

or M-163 SPAA's

(variant of the M-113 w/20mm Vulcan)

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:58 PM (7vjeC)

384 trumpetdaddy, you live in DC, right?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2015 12:58 PM (NOIQH)

385 We'll take as many as the Saudis do, how's that?

Might be as high as 2-3.

Posted by: mojo at September 11, 2015 12:57 PM (OmBeX)

No good. That's still 2-3 too many. We should be looking at getting rid of some of the Syrians that are here.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 11, 2015 12:58 PM (zc3Db)

386 "159 The best outcome for Obama is if voices on the right start yammering about how evil Islam is, and all that typical noise. Then they will have some small bit of credence to justify their strategy of making the discussion between "bigots" and "poor, defenseless refugees."

The only way to get this discussion onto some grounds that we can fight on and potentially win, is to keep it on root causes and bad policy choices, while simultaneously expressing large amounts of sympathy for the refugees, themselves.

We need to stop taking the bait Obama offers us. Lucy, football, rinse and repeat.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 12:02 PM (ljZD2)"

Absolutely wrong. First, outside of the mass, it is rare to see a focus on the evils of Islam (nonsense about fictitious "Islamism" doesn't count). Second, anything abstract and partisan sounding will be ignored by most. Third, the underlying problem IS Islam.

Posted by: skzion at September 11, 2015 12:58 PM (74TNp)

387 Can we finally fight on grounds that actually help us win, for once?

Posted by: trumpetdaddy

Win what? The House? The Senate? The Presidency?
Like the 108th Congress? Like that wasted effort?

This obsession with winning and accommodating the Left is pathological.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 11, 2015 12:59 PM (JmGFJ)

388 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 12:52 PM (ljZD2)

You are definitely a Moby whether you realize it or not. I will not let you or the Left redefine what is racist to fit your agenda.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 11, 2015 01:00 PM (YccS3)

389
"trumpetdaddy, you live in DC, right?"

Nope. Cincinnati.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:00 PM (ljZD2)

390 The situation in Syria is terrible. It's a staggering humanitarian crisis.

The situation in Syria has always been terrible and, to be frank, I couldn't give a shit about Syrians or their problems.

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Lebanon used to be a beautiful country and Beirut was the Paris of the Middle East. And then Islam, with support from Syria, immigrated into Lebanon. Now Lebanon and Beirut are synonymous with violent third world shit holes.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 01:00 PM (XUKZU)

391 Hmm can't post... keeps erroring.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 11, 2015 01:00 PM (TULs6)

392 My first instinct about these "Golf Cart Veterans for Truth" was to peg this on the GOP, but I thought, why speculate. OK now they're quoting "GOP strategists"... figures.

I like how the GOP strategists agree with democrats about Swift Boat Vets, and think it's a good idea to satirically mock them.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 11, 2015 01:01 PM (TULs6)

393 Can we finally fight on grounds that actually help us win, for once?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 12:52 PM (ljZD2)

Totally backwards and perversely losing logic. This neutering fear of "confirming the Left's views of us" is exactly what the Left wants. The Left will hold the worst view of us in any case. The answer is to get in their faces as they get in ours. Push back twice as hard. Make them fear us. That's what THEY fear.

Posted by: rrpjr at September 11, 2015 01:01 PM (s/yC1)

394 I'm not worried. I heard Boner is thinking of maybe someday suing Obama over this. So by 2091 when all the appeals have been heard, the Syrians will be sent back home.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 11, 2015 01:02 PM (0LHZx)

395 Posted by: rrpjr at September 11, 2015 01:01 PM (s/yC1)

Well said.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2015 01:02 PM (oKE6c)

396 Hmm can't post... keeps erroring.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 11, 2015 01:00 PM (TULs6)

If you are trying to paste something then there might be illegal characters in it. That happens a lot if you try to paste from the original post. Usually it's the dashes that cause the problem. You have to delete them and put regular dashes in. Also happens with quotes and other symbols on occasion.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 11, 2015 01:02 PM (zc3Db)

397 My first instinct about these "Golf Cart Veterans for Truth" was to peg this on the GOP, but I thought, why speculate. OK now they're quoting "GOP strategists"... figures.

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Looks like they're upholding that support GOP pledge Trump signed a couple of weeks ago in good faith.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 01:03 PM (XUKZU)

398 America is the place people go to in order to flee tyranny. -Reagan, 1964

Oh no, scary, penniless refugees fleeing tyranny might hurt us! -Drew M, 2015

Posted by: Carl at September 11, 2015 01:03 PM (xYsI6)

399 383
373: where are the Quad-50s when you need them?

or M-163 SPAA's

(variant of the M-113 w/20mm Vulcan)
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Weren't they all sold to municipal police departments?

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 01:03 PM (ry4ab)

400 The voice of reason wins no voters.

The cries of emotion do.

Posted by: @votermom at September 11, 2015 01:04 PM (cbfNE)

401 Thanks for the prayers, folks.

Dad is taking this much more calmly than I am right now. Could be shock, I don't know, but it's really the way it's always been.

We talked yesterday, and I told him I had a dinner date...and he said with the twinkle in his voice I've always loved... "A dinner date? With a GIRL??"

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at September 11, 2015 12:31 PM (4X5NS)

My condolences, too, Captain.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2015 01:04 PM (uGKgR)

402 "Win what? The House? The Senate? The Presidency?
Like the 108th Congress? Like that wasted effort?

This obsession with winning and accommodating the Left is pathological."

No. This refugee issue is a political problem created by a choice taken on policy. the way to fix it is to change the policy, i.e., through political means.

So, "obsessing" over who wins the elections that enable a change (or not) of policy seems apropos, no?

I don't want to accommodate the Left. I want to defeat them. That means refusing to accept the grounds they wish to fight on, and endeavouring to keep those ostensibly on my side from doing the same.

They want us obsessed with Islam and using that kind of decision-making thought process. It keeps us from winning and changing what they are doing.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:04 PM (ljZD2)

403 A good president would be pressuring nearby nations like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc to accept the refugees and not take them into the USA. Its certainly going to be less culture shock and easier on the families to go to a more familiar culture and climate.

But if we're going to take any in, I like what someone said here last night: accept women and children, but send the guys back with a rifle to fight IS.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 11, 2015 01:04 PM (39g3+)

404 And who is going to screen them? The same government that granted the visa to Mohammet Atta...after he attacked us on 9/11?

Posted by: PJ at September 11, 2015 01:04 PM (cHuNI)

405 If the Country allows this then we might as well all go live in Idaho because we're no longer going to have many choices other than where we live as to how we live.

________

Californians have been invading Idaho for the last 10 years or so. It's not quite turning into WA or OR, but it's not too far behind.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 11, 2015 01:04 PM (0LHZx)

406 shooting in DC's union station...

any reports of spontaneous diversity?

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:04 PM (ariQ4)

407 I wonder if Ace has seen what the VC has written about the Iran deal.

http://wapo.st/1O5PYIa

I found it pretty cool- it details how Corker-Cardin DID account for things like this happening, and it's not even close.

Corker apparently was smarter than he's been given credit for... unfortunately it looks like Congress isn't going to actually ENFORCE the law.

According to EV, 100% clear that the "side deals" are actually under the MAIN agreement under the terms of Corker-Cardin- and ironically enough, King V. Burwell, where Roberts saved Obamacare, actually makes it even clearer- in part by saying that a case would take the name of the law into account.

Posted by: Zack at September 11, 2015 01:05 PM (Qerbt)

408 Lebanon used to be a beautiful country and Beirut was the Paris of the Middle East. And then Islam, with support from Syria, immigrated into Lebanon. Now Lebanon and Beirut are synonymous with violent third world shit holes.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 01:00 PM (XUKZU)

Yep. And the PLO helped to screw Lebanon up, too, when they got kicked out of Jordan. But, as you wrote, it was mostly islam. Lebanon used to be 60%+ Christian. Now it's 60%+ muslim.

Interesting note - the strongest supporters, anywhere, of Arik Sharon were the Christian Phalange.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 11, 2015 01:05 PM (zc3Db)

409 398
America is the place people go to in order to flee tyranny. -Reagan, 1964

Oh no, scary, penniless refugees fleeing tyranny might hurt us! -Drew M, 2015
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It was a different America and a different world 50 years ago. these days Ronaldus Maximus would be advocating for the wall, and getting it built.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 01:06 PM (ry4ab)

410 398 America is the place people go to in order to flee tyranny. -Reagan, 1964
Oh no, scary, penniless refugees fleeing tyranny might hurt us! -Drew M, 2015
Posted by: Carl at September 11, 2015 01:03 PM (xYsI6)

Look, these rattlesnake eggs will look great on our coffee table! - Carl, 2015

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2015 01:07 PM (oKE6c)

411 Posted by: Carl at September 11, 2015 01:03 PM (xYsI6)

Fail. You and the governments first mistake is not knowing the definition of refugees.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 11, 2015 01:07 PM (YccS3)

412 Negotiation 101 according to TrumpDaddy:

Left: We want 100K Syrians

Right: We want 0 Syrians

Hey, let's give them 75K and call it a win.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 11, 2015 01:07 PM (0LHZx)

413 389

"trumpetdaddy, you live in DC, right?"

Nope. Cincinnati.
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Ladies and gentlemen, as a fellow Ohioan let me introduce trumpetdaddy, a Kasich supporter.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 01:07 PM (ry4ab)

414 Thank you exdem13 for the shout out.

GoFundMe has contacted me. They say they are working on it and that sometimes wrong things get flagged. Yay.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 11, 2015 01:07 PM (8WSy/)

415 360
339 OT, but good news: Twitchy is reporting that the brilliant mayor of Baltimore is NOT going to run for re-election...

i wonder why?

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:47 PM (7vjeC)

Wonder why brave Trump doesn't make some comment about her ugly mug?

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 01:07 PM (0FSuD)

416 Can we finally fight on grounds that actually help us win, for once?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 12:52 PM (ljZD2)

How about Lerner and the IRS persecution of conservative groups? Can we fight there? Can we? Please? What about that? Is that fighting on grounds to help us to win? You know whole using the IRS for political purposes, the illegality of all?

Please call your friends Boehner and McConnell.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 01:08 PM (LXJ1e)

417 No. This refugee issue is a political problem created by a choice taken on policy. the way to fix it is to change the policy, i.e., through political means.

A policy enabled, if not actually approved, by a feckless Republican Party who are wholly vested in *your* proposed approach.

You know- the ones who are approving a deal which will give nukes to Iran on the anniversary of the largest terror attack on US Soil in history?

The ones who promise us they'll fight TFG tooth and nail - next time?

No, refusing to admit what the problem is will not allow you to solve it. The problem *is* Mohammedanism. It is. Whether you like it or not, whether you capitulate to the Left by calling it bigoted or not, whether you *admit it* or not. It is the problem.

Only with the actual problem focused in our minds can we move forward to solving it. Anything else is just action for its own sake.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 11, 2015 01:08 PM (kff5f)

418 In 1964 fleeing tyranny mean a Pole or East German fleeing communism. Comparing that to a Muslim fanatic is ridiculous.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 11, 2015 01:08 PM (0LHZx)

419 >>The fact that some people have an inability to help themselves from confirming the image the Left sells of us, is simply mind-boggling.

Not just the left, the GOP sells it to. The GOP thought it was a good idea to go around telling black people the tea party was racist so they could win an election, and you are on record agreeing with them about the soundness of this tactic.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 11, 2015 01:08 PM (TULs6)

420 America is the place people go to in order to flee tyranny. -Reagan, 1964

Oh no, scary, penniless refugees fleeing tyranny might hurt us! -Drew M, 2015

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The poem on the Statue of Liberty says:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"

These refugees aren't yearning to breathe free and they sure as hell don't want us to breathe free.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 01:09 PM (XUKZU)

421 America is the place people go to in order to flee tyranny. -Reagan, 1964

Oh no, scary, penniless refugees fleeing tyranny might hurt us! -Drew M, 2015
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It was a different America and a different world 50 years ago. these days Ronaldus Maximus would be advocating for the wall, and getting it built.

***

funny when every word is a lie.

they not fleeing, they're cultivating and colonizing.

Sad when both US vichy parties desperate to outbid each other for any share of 5bn potential new voters.

penniless? yes, young men of working age are typically poor, even in US, but are prime earning demo because they're young, able bodies. I guess, assuming they don't do the arab immigrant thing of going on welfare and raping 8 year olds, they get jobs that legacy americans could get.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:09 PM (ariQ4)

422 I would be more willing to take in Syrian immigrants if

A) they weren't largely young men instead of families
B) they behaved like refugees and not squatters
C) they didn't deliberately avoid poorer and more culturally familiar countries to go to rich, foreign ones.
D) we haven't seen a continuous, repeated, consistent pattern of Islamic colonization by "immigrants" and "refugees"

The problem isn't a fear or hatred toward refugees, but how they behave.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 11, 2015 01:10 PM (39g3+)

423 414
Thank you exdem13 for the shout out.

GoFundMe has contacted me. They say they are working on it and that sometimes wrong things get flagged. Yay.
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Yay!

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 01:10 PM (ry4ab)

424 Have you read any of the comments on this thread? Go ahead, read them. I'll wait.

How do you think I found your particular post?

This is a comment thread - I would like to point out that had the suggestions of the commentators in this thread been taken in the first place:

1. The borders would have been sealed long ago.
2. The middle east and Afghanistan would be peacefully coexisting for 10,000 years as radioactive glass.
3. Obama never would have become president.
4. The world would be a lot better place than it is.

Posted by: An Observation at September 11, 2015 01:11 PM (5BeNw)

425 Negotiation 101 according to TrumpDaddy:

Left: We want 100K Syrians

Right: We want 0 Syrians

***
it gets better:

Left but they POC, u must let them all in!

Right: all

Left: ALL

US People: fuck that shit, build a wall, we're full, kick their asses to saudi arabia...

Right, ok, ALL

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:11 PM (ariQ4)

426 The GOPe and their peeps always think giving the left less than what they ask for is some kind of win. Like for example they want to raise spending by 10%. We want to cut spending by 5%. In the end the left gets "only" a 5% increase and the GOPe and their enablers call that a win.

That's why the left wins every fight in the long run. Their version of compromise is getting most of what they want. The right's version of compromise is giving up most of what they want.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 11, 2015 01:11 PM (0LHZx)

427 "It was a different America and a different world 50 years ago. these
days Ronaldus Maximus would be advocating for the wall, and getting it
built."

No it wasn't. America has always had its fringe of people vehemently arguing that any newcomers would wreck the culture and ruin the country. Especially if those newcomers were not Anglo Protestants. We've been having this same, lame argument since before the Revolution. Why do you think Roger Williams, and Lord Baltimore, and William Penn had to set up their Catholic colonies elsewhere than Massachusetts Bay? This isn't new.

The world has always sucked. By every objective measure is sucks less today than at any time in human history.

Reagan believed in the inherent ability of every human being and the greatness of America to enable them to achieve their highest potential no matter the modesty of their origins. Most people calling themselves conservatives used to, as well.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:11 PM (ljZD2)

428 All these refugees are fleeing to German because it has the most free shit.

NY Slime had a story about a woman, who's husband was a doctor working in Yemen, yeah right, that was going Germany because her two year old needed a heart operation. She didn't trust Syrian doctors.

So now Germany is the free health care state for the world?

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 01:11 PM (0FSuD)

429 "Look at that face".

Nope.

Still not seeing ugly.

Interesting how weak minds can be manipulated into OUTRAGE, though.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 11, 2015 01:12 PM (gAgEE)

430 Penn of course wasn't Catholic, but you take my point overall.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:12 PM (ljZD2)

431 I would be more willing to take in Syrian immigrants if:

and only if: other middle eastern countries were full.

they're not.

Saudi can use their mecca campground of 3M AC'd tents.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:12 PM (ariQ4)

432 My thoughts, on topic, are:

If you wanna know why the plan to train the moderate Syrian opposition failed, it's because these refugees ARE the moderate Syrian opposition. They got destroyed by ISIS and Assad, and anyone else got mopped up and pressganged into service.

My plan? Do a 1-for-10 swap. For every 1 person that agrees to train with Western forces, and fight Assad, ISIS, Boko Haram, and Islamic Extremism, and promote democracy, liberty, and freedom for all members of their country, you let 10 refugees in (on the standard you-go-back-to-your-country-when-it's-rebuilt visa.)

They estimate there are ~11 million refugees from conflict right now? That would create an instant ~1 million man "moderate opposition" force- who have cause to be loyal to the West, given that their families are there.

You get ISIS, Assad, Boko Haram, etc. out of the world for as cheap a price as possible, it's the people of the middle east themselves that do it (so no Osama-style complaints about the Great Satan or imperialism) and refugees get homes and shelters. Best of all possible worlds.

Posted by: Zack at September 11, 2015 01:12 PM (Qerbt)

433 415
360

339 OT, but good news: Twitchy is reporting that the brilliant mayor of Baltimore is NOT going to run for re-election...

i wonder why?

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 12:47 PM (7vjeC)

Wonder why brave Trump doesn't make some comment about her ugly mug?
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Dunno, are you wanting Mayor Thang to be be a candidate for the Republican nomination?

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 01:13 PM (ry4ab)

434 418 In 1964 fleeing tyranny mean a Pole or East German fleeing communism. Comparing that to a Muslim fanatic is ridiculous.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 11, 2015 01:08 PM (0LHZx)

^This. Actual refugees from communist countries came here to live the American ideal, not turn it into the repressive shithole they came from while using the government's largesse to do so.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 11, 2015 01:13 PM (2Ojst)

435 Trumpet:

Do you believe that Syrians coming here want liberty and freedom? If the Somalis in MN are indication the answer is a big fucking NO!

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 11, 2015 01:13 PM (0LHZx)

436 Can we finally fight on grounds that actually help us win, for once?

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 12:52 PM (ljZD2)

You mean just like McCain and Romney won?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 11, 2015 01:13 PM (66fwS)

437 America has always had its fringe of people vehemently arguing that any newcomers would wreck the culture and ruin the country.

-
So those of us who mind being blown up in the WTC of the Boston Marathon are the fringe?

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 01:14 PM (XUKZU)

438 The question for me is, is this the suicide of the west - or is it murder?

Posted by: despair at September 11, 2015 01:14 PM (ihXsr)

439 438 The question for me is, is this the suicide of the west - or is it murder?
Posted by: despair at September 11, 2015 01:14 PM (ihXsr)

Yes.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 11, 2015 01:14 PM (2Ojst)

440 "Ladies and gentlemen, as a fellow Ohioan let me introduce trumpetdaddy, a Kasich supporter."

Yeah, when he was running against Strickland and that doofus the Dems ran last year.

I have been an open Walker partisan for a long time.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:14 PM (ljZD2)

441 America has always had its fringe of people vehemently arguing that any newcomers would wreck the culture and ruin the country.

Yeah, boy were those guys way off base. Open borders is definitely the way to go.

Posted by: The American Indians at September 11, 2015 01:14 PM (oKE6c)

442 So, "obsessing" over who wins the elections that enable a change (or not) of policy seems apropos, no?

Posted by: trumpetdaddy

Without any philosophy, without any change, a win by this GOP is accommodation.

And, yes, obsession with meaningless 'win's' is pathological.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 11, 2015 01:15 PM (JmGFJ)

443 US has always had lazy minds who think we can absorb millions and millions and not change culture or policies.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:15 PM (ariQ4)

444 Some people won't learn until they are adversely effected by the policies they promote. Even then some will continue to be in denial.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 11, 2015 01:15 PM (YccS3)

445 it's because these refugees ARE the moderate Syrian opposition

I suspect that many of them are not moderate or opposition at all, but are colonists and include many IS.

That would create an instant ~1 million man "moderate opposition" force- who have cause to be loyal to the West, given that their families are there.

If there's a million refugees, that means they outnumber the armies aligned against them by 100-1000:1. No army on earth can corral or drive out that many people.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 11, 2015 01:15 PM (39g3+)

446 open border nutjobs just gonna nutjob. As if the idea of USA is a suicide cult. We can't control who comes in bc ummm nation of immigrants. Let's just rely on nihilistic idea that USA is just an open air jobs and welfare resource center, not the people who founded it.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:16 PM (ariQ4)

447 >>>If you are trying to paste something then there might be illegal characters in it.

There you go falling into the racist trap the democrats always set for us. There are no illegal characters, only undocumented ones.

Using characters the website cannot display properly is an act of love.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 11, 2015 01:17 PM (TULs6)

448 Look President Obama is all for fighting the war on terror. He's so much for it, he just sent billions to a country which he admits will spend at least some of it on terrorism. He's fighting his heart out, but it sure looks like he's on the other side.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 11, 2015 01:17 PM (39g3+)

449 439 438 The question for me is, is this the suicide of the west - or is it murder?
Posted by: despair at September 11, 2015 01:14 PM (ihXsr)

Yes.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 11, 2015 01:14 PM (2Ojst)

With a great big dollop of treason on top.

Posted by: rickl at September 11, 2015 01:17 PM (zoehZ)

450 Dunno, are you wanting Mayor Thang to be be a candidate for the Republican nomination?

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 01:13 PM (ry4ab)

Trump doesn't need her to be a nominee, he insults all sorts of women.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 01:17 PM (0FSuD)

451 Look President Obama is all for fighting the war on terror. He's so much for it, he just sent billions to a country which he admits will spend at least some of it on terrorism. He's fighting his heart out, but it sure looks like he's on the other side.

***

HE will be super into it once he manages to fuck with the stats enough to say that GOP voters are terrorists.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:18 PM (ariQ4)

452 Anybody with a brain: The constitution is not a suicide pact.

Open border diversity nuts: The hell it ain't!

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 01:18 PM (XUKZU)

453 Democrats: we want anyone in the world to be able to move here

Republicans: whoa, whoa, whoa. That's crazy. How about only 30% of the world's population

Dems: Call it 50% and we have a deal

Reps: Done!

Rep press conference....we negotiated a bipartisan solution, hooray

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 11, 2015 01:18 PM (0LHZx)

454 San Francisco is a sanctuary city, no? And they just love them some diversity don't they?

Posted by: Darth Randall at September 11, 2015 01:18 PM (6n332)

455 438 The question for me is, is this the suicide of the west - or is it murder?
Posted by: despair at September 11, 2015 01:14 PM (ihXsr)

****

you got to wonder about how much middle east oil money is being used for this purpose. We saw how UK pols were paid to oppose gulf war and let in their conquering immigrants.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:19 PM (ariQ4)

456 There you go falling into the racist trap the
democrats always set for us. There are no illegal characters, only
undocumented ones.

Using characters the website cannot display properly is an act of love.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney

And turn off the Internet, we have a winner.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 11, 2015 01:19 PM (gAgEE)

457 Reagan believed in the inherent ability of every human being and the greatness of America to enable them to achieve their highest potential no matter the modesty of their origins. Most people calling themselves conservatives used to, as well.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:11 PM (ljZD2)

Yes, of course, Reagan wanted all the people to come in, even if a significant portion of them go on welfare or hate our country or may be head choppers.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 01:19 PM (LXJ1e)

458 >>>441 America has always had its fringe of people vehemently arguing that any newcomers would wreck the culture and ruin the country.

Seems like they were right.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 11, 2015 01:19 PM (TULs6)

459 as if USA is still 13 colonies with about 10 million citizens and not fucking full with 300+ million. We're kind of an established country, we're good. Go home, you're not needed. Plus, you skeeve us out. Seriously, you and yours would make terrible americans.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:20 PM (ariQ4)

460 The Democrats are our opponents. The Republican leadership is our enemy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes at September 11, 2015 01:20 PM (rwI+c)

461 Frankly ... I could give a damn less what Reagan spouted about the greatness of every human, or what the poem on a damned statue says about huddled masses ...

If I wanted a religion perfectly suited to inspire a widespread, low-level, long-term uprising with no regard for it's targets - I could not pick any better than Islam. I will not trust it's followers. Ever.

I can't raise a personal force field against their acts ... but they better come with more than a knife.

Posted by: Irony at September 11, 2015 01:20 PM (axOXH)

462 "Trump doesn't need her to be a nominee, he insults all sorts of women."

Pretty much. The main difference between him and every other divorced, bitter, insecure, overweight, old, balding white guy with ignorant, reactionary, fascist political views is that he has enough money inherited from his daddy the slumlord to buy a higher quality mail-order bride. But the instinct to hate on all the "uppity bitches" who turned him down is just as strong.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:20 PM (ljZD2)

463 >>>Reagan believed in the inherent ability of every human being and the greatness of America to enable them to achieve their highest potential no matter the modesty of their origins.

Universalist pseudo-religious pap. No wonder he failed to make any dent in the budget.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 11, 2015 01:21 PM (TULs6)

464 and even then, the 13 colonies already had a national character and other signs of a healthy civilization. They weren't looking to destroy it for hopes of getting welfare taking, zero info voters.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:21 PM (ariQ4)

465 427 No it wasn't. America has always had its fringe
of people vehemently arguing that any newcomers would wreck the culture
and ruin the country. Especially if those newcomers were not Anglo
Protestants. We've been having this same, lame argument since before the
Revolution. Why do you think Roger Williams, and Lord Baltimore, and
William Penn had to set up their Catholic colonies elsewhere than
Massachusetts Bay? This isn't new.

Reagan
believed in the inherent ability of every human being and the greatness
of America to enable them to achieve their highest potential no matter
the modesty of their origins. Most people calling themselves
conservatives used to, as well.
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Oh, so because we want American immigrants to meet minimal standards of usefulness and cultural assimilation we are the next Know-Nothings, eh? Careful there trumpetdaddy, your SJW slip is showing.

And don't point to Reagan, he expected immigrants (especially in 1964) to desire becoming American citizens and not being non-assimilated and non-contributing strangers dwelling among us and resenting us for what we had, even as they did nothing to earn it. That is the position the EU has brought upon itself, and curse me if I want it repeated here.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 01:21 PM (ry4ab)

466 460 The Democrats are our opponents. The Republican leadership is our enemy.
Posted by: Grump928(C) notes at September 11, 2015 01:20 PM (rwI+c)

I consider them both enemies. The federal government has declared war on the white middle class.

Posted by: rickl at September 11, 2015 01:21 PM (zoehZ)

467
No it wasn't. America has always had its fringe of people vehemently
arguing that any newcomers would wreck the culture and ruin the
country. Especially if those newcomers were not Anglo Protestants.

I smell something unpleasant.

Adjoran, is that you?

Posted by: Mortimer at September 11, 2015 01:21 PM (gAgEE)

468 Posted by: Darth Randall at September 11, 2015 01:18 PM (6n332)

Yes that would be great except see what Obama did when we had the influx of unaccompanied minor illegal immigrants.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 11, 2015 01:21 PM (YccS3)

469 "...That would create an instant ~1 million man "moderate opposition" force- who have cause to be loyal to the West, given that their families are there."

It's been proven beyond any doubt that arming and training Middle Easterners is a waste of time.

They will either turn against you or cut and run.

Make the Middle East a gun-free zone except for the U.S. forces that keep the peace.

Posted by: jwest at September 11, 2015 01:22 PM (Zs4uk)

470 Let's avoid moral opprobrium of masses by giving the Left everything they desire!

Yessireee! That's winning formula.
#ohwhydoesn'tfatherlovemeaboohoohoo

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 11, 2015 01:22 PM (JmGFJ)

471 >>>>The fact that some people have an inability to help themselves from confirming the image the Left sells of us, is simply mind-boggling.

I'm trying to disprove a negative image that been pinned on my by enemies of America ("When did you stop hating x, y, and z?").

Time to not just question the premise, but to say stuff your premise. What has working within the system, within the Left's paradigm gotten us?

Oh, right. Trump.
Trumpetdaddy hates that guy, right?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2015 01:22 PM (NOIQH)

472 It doesn't matter if they "mean us no harm". By their presence, they do harm:

* They bring their language, which we do not want.
* They bring their culture, which we do not want.
* They decrease the level of trust, which we do not want.
* They bring increased levels of crime, which we do not want.
* They increase the real need for security, which we do not want.
* They are largely incapable of working in our societies, and so become dependents of the state, which we do not want.
* They will be a net drain on the economy, which we do not want.
* It is guaranteed that some significant percentage of them or their children will become terrorists and attack either us or our allies, which we do not want.

No. Do not want. Not any of them.

Posted by: despair at September 11, 2015 01:22 PM (ihXsr)

473 >> old, balding white guy with ignorant, reactionary, fascist political views

Damn those white guys.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 11, 2015 01:22 PM (TULs6)

474 "Seems like they were right."

Yeah, America really sucks. You're planning on moving when, exactly?

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:22 PM (ljZD2)

475 Adjoran, is that you?

We are post 300 comments ...

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes at September 11, 2015 01:23 PM (rwI+c)

476 Ugh:
I'm trying to disprove a negative --->
I'm *sick of* trying to disprove a negative

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2015 01:23 PM (NOIQH)

477 Rules on immigration and refugees are made by safe people. These are the
people who help run countries, who have nice homes in nice
neighborhoods and are protected by their status.

I was thinking this morning how different American policy would be if that 9-11 flight had hit the Capitol Dome instead of the Pentagon.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 11, 2015 01:24 PM (oVJmc)

478 Oh no, scary, penniless refugees fleeing tyranny might hurt us! -Drew M, 2015

They're not actually all penniless. Some of them paid about $1 , 500 to get here. The fellow whose family drowned was safe in Turkey but wanted dental surgery in Germany. A lot of the penniless ones including persecuted Christians can't get the hell out. The "poor" refugees are shouting "F You" "Allahu Akbhar and literally throwing shit around. Yeahl I'm think 18-30 year old men shouting "Allahu Akbhar" are great people to let in.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2015 01:24 PM (OSs/l)

479 Using characters the website cannot display properly is an act of love.

-
Leading to a vacation in the Love Barrel.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 01:24 PM (XUKZU)

480 How come the clear majority of these refugees are men? Oh, yeah, that's right, good old religion of peace only values men because men can take new wives and start new families as they colonize for the caliphate. BTW, if you are a young healthy man, why aren't you staying behind and fighting to the death for your "country" instead of fleeing in the night and shoving women and children aside as you fight for a place on a train or boat to the West?

As for the rhetoric about why Dubai or Saudi Arabia or the Emirates or --insert name of Islamic Country here--is not taking in these refugees. Because they know that's a disaster waiting to happen. They saw this first hand with the Palestinians.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at September 11, 2015 01:24 PM (kXoT0)

481 "Trump doesn't need her to be a nominee, he insults all sorts of women."
funny the ppl going full democrat arguing that trump argues like a democrat. Oh war on women, he's so mean, he made a sads. Women!

His two big comments are blown out of proportion. I find open border nutjob candidates' words more offensive. If you vote for bills authored by lazrarra then fuck you.

As for all the other shit about balding, middle aged, daddy's money, sounds a lot like a SJW extoling virtues of illegal immigration bc diversity. When you have a penthouse pet publicly declare that you rocked her world, then you can make fun of the trump's pecker.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:24 PM (ariQ4)

482 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:20 PM (ljZD2)

So you're stereotyping white men. How lefty of you.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 11, 2015 01:24 PM (YccS3)

483 You're planning on moving when, exactly?

Posted by: trumpetdaddy

May 2016

Posted by: wrg500 at September 11, 2015 01:24 PM (C278+)

484 Reagan believed in the inherent ability of every human being and the
greatness of America to enable them to achieve their highest potential
no matter the modesty of their origins. Most people calling themselves
conservatives used to, as well.

10,000 people fleeing from Communist Tyranny are refugees. 10,000 Communists trying to get into the country to destroy it would not be "refugees".

The Muslims trying to get into Europe and the US are not refugees - they hate the countries they are trying to get into. They see them as stupid people who will let them freeload - while they plot to set up an Islamic state and Sharia law.

Why is this Troll allowed to post here?

Posted by: An Observation at September 11, 2015 01:24 PM (5BeNw)

485 Walker?

Trumpdaddy,

What the hell did Walker do to protect his people persecuted by DA in Milwaukee?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 01:25 PM (LXJ1e)

486 Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:20 PM (ariQ4)

Well said.

We are full. Unless there is a specific, clearly and accurately documented need for specialists (engineers, chemists....) we don't anyone.

The last time I checked we have no pressing need for more welfare recipients who mutilate their daughters, get off on honor killings, and glory in death .

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 11, 2015 01:25 PM (XGdLE)

487 this guy calls trump a fascist.

Because we remember fasicists for closing border and kicking people out.

what a retard.
argues like a dickless SJW

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:25 PM (ariQ4)

488 So I went over to National Review to get my new word for the day : meretricious.

Ok, wait, is this an open thread yet?

And there was this interesting piece by Kevin Williamson, who has apparently lost his mind since Trump is in the news all the time, or is it Goldberg. They all sound alike, I can't tell them apart. Anway. he writes about a militant atheist by the name of Lawrence Krauss at Arizona State, which is one problem right there. U of Az hires better people. Anyway, Mr. Williamson is diligently pointing out the flawed premise in Mr. Krauss's writings, as though Mr. Krauss is unaware of his faulty logic.

To which I reply, the flawed premise is deliberately chosen to frame and then produce the conclusion Mr. Krauss desires, i.e. that all Christians are outlaws, breaking law while claiming their religion is above the law.

It is really sad to see the great minds over at NatReview succumbing to old age, the poor fellows.

Posted by: Karl Bogendegia at September 11, 2015 01:25 PM (A3NCk)

489 for trumpet daddy I am trying to post lunatic fringe but pixy is being pixy

try taking spaces out

https:// www.youtube.com/ watch?v=OPyNTqCI3To

Posted by: ginaswo at September 11, 2015 01:26 PM (qxNrP)

490 It's been proven beyond any doubt that arming and training Middle Easterners is a waste of time.

This is true.

The solution to the problem of Islam is to confront Islam itself: the doctrine is evil.

We understood this with communism to some extent. It was okay to describe why communism was wrong. It was okay to encourage non-communists to run the country.

We should be arguing against the religion, but oddly we think dropping bombs on weddings to kill random jihadi commander number fifty is the better approach.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 11, 2015 01:26 PM (xpmPK)

491 @462

LOL. Well said, don't let P 11 read that, his head will explode.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 01:27 PM (0FSuD)

492 grampa, why'd you fight WWII...

"because hitler closed Germany's borders and wouldn't let anymore mexicans in"

Gramps, you are a hero, that sounds like the most evil country ever.

"even worse, Hitler used daddy's money and had funny hair"

Gramps, I hope to hate all white men who are older than 45 when I grow up.

"me too, son, me too"

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:27 PM (ariQ4)

493 "Reagan believed in the inherent ability of every human being and the
greatness of America to enable them to achieve their highest potential
no matter the modesty of their origins."

I live in what used to be Reagan Country. It's never going to be that again.

"Reagan Country" will never again vote to put a Republican in the White House; it will never again send anyone other than two Democrats to the Senate. Its House delegation is overwhelmingly Democratic. Democrats rule the state internally at all levels from the governor's mansion on down, including having a tax-rasing supermajority in the legislature.

What happened to "Reagan Country"? Mass immigration happened. And the immigrants' imagined "highest potential" turned out to be as... loyal liberal Democratic voters. MAN, was their potential for that high.

The biggest irony is that the permanent destruction of Reagan Country was actively aided and abetted by Reagan himself, who signed on to unfactual romantic nonsense just like the sort quoted above.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 11, 2015 01:27 PM (noWW6)

494 Some people won't learn until they are adversely effected by the policies they promote. Even then some will continue to be in denial.

-
See Californians.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 01:27 PM (XUKZU)

495 This country needs its own "Rivers of Blood" speech. Somebody with more eloquence and seriousness than Trump will have to do it, but if there's one good thing that joker's campaign might have done for the country, it's pave the way for somebody to feel comfortable enough to give the American people the warning that Britain and Europe failed to heed. It took thirty years to prove Powell right, but in America we have the example of Europe to show us that he was right, and still have time to avoid that continent's fate.

Posted by: Cjw at September 11, 2015 01:28 PM (UDoTZ)

496
I'm for new entry requirements: convert to becoming a Southern Baptist, complete with baptism and a pig-pickin roast to celebrate.

Posted by: Levin at September 11, 2015 01:28 PM (uGiHE)

497
I get regular letters from a married couple who graduated from seminary back in the day and became (stealth) missionaries to the muslims over there in muslim-world. The last letter I got from them was a couple of weeks ago. They are back here in the US, in an un-named city, still doing stealthy God-work. I guess they moved back home because this is now the designated muslim center of the world.

See? No more travel! Saves on church expenses.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at September 11, 2015 01:28 PM (dFi94)

498 We are full. Unless there is a specific, clearly and accurately documented need for specialists (engineers, chemists....) we don't anyone.

***

Thanks, you know what's unique about America? We have 1000's of colleges spitting out BSME,BSEE and other engineers looking for jobs.

we don't need ANY fucking engineer.

end the H1B scam.

also, our engineers are icky white men who may soon be middle aged...sorry troll.

oh right, they also graduate with six figures of debt. so it's a fucking crime to import H1B's.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:29 PM (ariQ4)

499 #472 is correct, those cute little Tsarnaev brothers had received massive amounts of aid and charity and did not want or intend to assimilate. To this day, their "sainted" mother still hurls invective at the country that took in her worthless family as refugees.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at September 11, 2015 01:29 PM (kXoT0)

500 There seems to be a stupid dichotomy being presented here between "let everyone in without exception" and "no immigrants at all"

I know its easiest to dismiss your enemy if you portray them as idiots and extremists, but almost nobody is that way. Address what people are saying and believe, not what you impose upon them because you're intellectually lazy.

Immigration is good; it brings fresh ideas, cultural influences, food, clothing, art, etc. I love immigrants to a nation who are constructive, positive influences that brings useful skills, abilities, and an attitude of wanting to become a part of a nation and grow with it.

What nobody, anywhere, under any circumstances, no matter what, should desire, is unlimited immigration of anyone whatsoever. A nation has limited resources, space, and opportunities which have to be cultivated, not flooded. Bring in immigrants, but a controlled number, rate, and type. Make sure they are someone who will become part of America and contribute positively to it.

That plaque on the Statue of Liberty isn't the constitution, its not even policy. Its just a poem. Even if there ever was a time when it was wise to let just anyone in because they wanted to be free, we've passed that point a hundred years ago. Its not evil or 'nativist' or anti-immigrant to want your country to prosper and be healthy without losing its identity or wrecking its self.

Unlimited immigration actually is bad for the immigrants themselves because it damages the very thing they are seeking: freedom, opportunity, and economic well being.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 11, 2015 01:29 PM (39g3+)

501 Nip Sip and trumpetdaddy sittin in a tree...

Posted by: Mortimer at September 11, 2015 01:29 PM (gAgEE)

502 I like all these low T manlets that toss around "bald" as an insult (not to mention "white" and "man").

I bet they can't grow facial hair but they're super proud of that crap on the top of their head, like women and children have.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 11, 2015 01:29 PM (TULs6)

503 only somewhat OT: shots fired in a DC subway station

https://twitter.com/frederickvIII/status/642381504186818560

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2015 01:30 PM (7vjeC)

504 So let's gather up these "refugees" and drop them off at Iran

Posted by: Iblis at September 11, 2015 01:30 PM (tAYH3)

505 There is a reason Obama isn't fighting ISIS in earnest.

There is a reason he didn't follow up with his Red Line ultimatum.

He WANTS mass migrations of Syrians into Europe and America.

He wants to fundamentally transform this nation and those Christian nations of Europe.

He isn't incompetent. He's shrewd.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 11, 2015 01:30 PM (KCQo0)

506 Reagan 1964? - That was before the Great Society, Medicaid, welfare, public housing, etc.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 01:30 PM (LXJ1e)

507 Seems like they were right."

Yeah, America really sucks. You're planning on moving when, exactly?

***

oh right, obama. world in chaos because of his bizzare foreign policy. Plus, you know, the 94 million out of work.

Plus, open borders invasion from South America...like the DACA train.

yeah, troll, you might be upset at USA if you're killed by a mestizo welfare recipient who's DUIing

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:30 PM (ariQ4)

508 What the hell did Walker do to protect his people persecuted by DA in Milwaukee?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 01:25 PM (LXJ1e)

He couldn't do shit, but a federal judge shut down the "John Doe" investigation and the Democrat DA, STILL refused to stop and turn over the stuff they had.

He had to be threatened with contempt of court to stop.

Most outrageous witch hunt ever.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 01:31 PM (0FSuD)

509 Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 11, 2015 01:29 PM (TULs6

I think Trumpetdaddy is a woman in spite of the nic.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 11, 2015 01:31 PM (YccS3)

510
I'm wondering if enough fellow conservatives are going to figure out that Obama's single most devastating blow against conservatism is flooding our country with non-Americans. He's doing this primarily through illegal immigration.
But make no mistake, Obama will take advantage of a crisis like Syria to do it "legitimately". You think he's going to stop at a mere 10,0000 Syrians?

- That's just for openers.

Hey, now that that the leader of the free world has set such a benevolently compassionate example: do you think that Europe is now going to feel some political pressure to let even more refugees into their countries? Oh, you betcha!

And when the Europeans let even more in, do you think that will provide Obama with an opportunity to bring in a second wave? - Yep.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan at September 11, 2015 01:31 PM (l2dSQ)

511 "Careful there trumpetdaddy, your SJW slip is showing."

No, I just have no tolerance for people who think this country is going to hell because it isn't some Anglo protestant paradise.

My great-grandfather left Croatia at age 12 to come to a country where he didn't speak the language, to live with relatives he'd never met, to be a longshoreman on the docks of New York, for the rest of his life. My other Croatian and Swedish ancestors did similar hard-ass work and took the same kind of crazy chance on America.

I have no patience for people saying our greatest days are behind us. And I really have no patience for the kind of rhetoric that was used against "people like me" for the last 200 years. You know, those of us "swarthy foreigners who are going to invade and turn this country into a hellhole slave-colony of the Papacy."

It's the same old Know-nothing poison dressed up in social media clothing today.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:32 PM (ljZD2)

512 "Grampa, tell us about the horrors of facsism you saw in the big war?"

-well, there was a wall and it was huugugeee.

"those mother fuckers"

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:32 PM (ariQ4)

513 The Arab Janjaweed slaughtered half a million blacks in Darfur, not one single liberal called for mass immigration of those being raped and persecuted fast forward to white Syria and lo and behold liberals want a hundred thousand white Muslims imported into our lands. No thanks.

Posted by: Rose at September 11, 2015 01:32 PM (epC6E)

514 "It doesn't matter if they 'mean us no harm'. By their presence, they do harm"

There is an incredibly hard truth which is seldom voiced.

An immigrant can come to America with EVERY HONEST INTENTION of assimilating, learning English, honoring our culture and institutions, working hard, and obeying our laws.

And it's still entirely possible for that immigrant to faithfully do EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE GOOD THINGS, and still end up being, net-net, a drain to the American economy and American society.

Hard. Truth.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 11, 2015 01:32 PM (noWW6)

515 He isn't incompetent. He's shrewd.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 11, 2015 01:30 PM (KCQo0)

Remember, we're the enemy to this guy. Its the Edward Longshanks strategy. Breed them out.

Posted by: Iblis at September 11, 2015 01:32 PM (tAYH3)

516 Careful there trumpetdaddy, your SJW slip is showing."

***

there are things that zero-testosterone SJW trolls say that give themselves away.

he hits all of them.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:32 PM (ariQ4)

517 499 #472 is correct, those cute little Tsarnaev brothers had received massive amounts of aid and charity and did not want or intend to assimilate. To this day, their "sainted" mother still hurls invective at the country that took in her worthless family as refugees.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at September 11, 2015 01:29 PM (kXoT0)

----------------

Those are trumpetdaddy's favorite kind of people, better than the slackjawed knownothing flyover trash.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 01:33 PM (LXJ1e)

518 No, I just have no tolerance for people who think this country is going to hell because it isn't some Anglo protestant paradise.

You're getting straw everywhere.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 11, 2015 01:33 PM (39g3+)

519 See Drudge: 60 dead, 150 injured when a crane collapses in Mecca.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 01:34 PM (XUKZU)

520 Those are trumpetdaddy's favorite kind of people, better than the slackjawed knownothing flyover trash.

**

right?

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:34 PM (ariQ4)

521 506
Reagan 1964? - That was before the Great Society, Medicaid, welfare, public housing, etc.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 01:30 PM (LXJ1e)

Well, not exactly. Public housing existed, but not HUD. Reagan 64, always a good show to watch and remember we've been fighting these people for over 50 years.

http://tinyurl.com/l9u62sa

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 01:34 PM (0FSuD)

522
If conservatives don't figure out that stopping the Illegal Immigration Crisis is THE top priority in the 2016 election cycle: conservatism is fucked sideways.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan at September 11, 2015 01:34 PM (l2dSQ)

523 494 Some people won't learn until they are adversely effected by the policies they promote. Even then some will continue to be in denial.

-
See Californians.
==

Even then they don't fight. "Stockholm Syndrome" takes hold and they join the invaders. Others flee. Fight? Who is fighting? Where?

Posted by: despair at September 11, 2015 01:34 PM (ihXsr)

524 Sheesh, another Hector.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 11, 2015 01:34 PM (oVJmc)

525 #498 or any more Computer Programmers, no matter what Google or Apple or whomever might whine. I do not know how many IT professionals have been displaced so some useless clueless coder from India can come here. They may speak a form of English, but, they have to be spoon fed information from clearly written specifications to be even mildly productive. There are exceptions to this to be sure, but, not millions of exceptions.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at September 11, 2015 01:34 PM (kXoT0)

526 "My great-grandfather left Croatia at age 12 to come to a country where
he didn't speak the language, to live with relatives he'd never met, to
be a longshoreman on the docks of New York, for the rest of his life."

There was a time when America needed guys with strong backs, no language skills required, to work at jobs such as being longshoremen. We no longer live in that era. Those jobs have been automated to the point where only the deliberate intercession of unions keeps the ports from being almost 100% robotic.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 11, 2015 01:34 PM (noWW6)

527 499
#472 is correct, those cute little Tsarnaev brothers had received
massive amounts of aid and charity and did not want or intend to
assimilate. To this day, their "sainted" mother still hurls invective
at the country that took in her worthless family as refugees.
-------------
Yeah, the Tsarnevs should be the poster boys of "why we don't want them here".

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 01:35 PM (ry4ab)

528 No, I just have no tolerance for people who think this country is going to hell because it isn't some Anglo protestant paradise.

***

coming from ppl who thought USA was hell bc it was a German/Anglo/Black/Slav paradise before Teddy K's trojan horse immigration bill.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:35 PM (ariQ4)

529 ure... and?

If evil exists in this world, and it does, what are WE prepared to
do about it? I can't control what they do, but we have a voice in what
we do. Sitting around and blaming them for being evil doesn't change a
damn thing.

Posted by: BurtTC

Well, Bush (he whose fault this is) was prepared to expend political
capital and a lot of American lives to do something about it. I'm sorry
that others squandered the opportunity to confront and defeat evil, and
I'm sorry so many here lay at Bush's feet the atrocities committed in
the name of Allah.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 11, 2015 11:50 AM (VAsIq)

You either missed the point, or you're trying to avoid it.

14 years ago, Americans were doing one of two things: either we were dealing with the immediate danger of the event, or we were thinking of how we respond.

Bush and his people made a choice. That choice, to oversimplify, compassionate conservatism. Which, if they were willing to think it through, and I would hope they were, was going to have consequences. One of those consequences was that at some point, when they were no longer in power, somebody else would be. So what was their compassionate conservatism going to leave in its wake?

Obviously not a peaceful and pacified Middle East. Many people could have, and did, predict that this would be the case, that what came after would be made worse by an unwillingness to go for unconditional surrender.

Which is what happened.

You can get angry for people point this out, and you can angry for people who say "I tried to tell you this FOURTEEN YEARS AGO!"

But we did. And still, here we are. Now what are you prepared to do? If all you have to say is "but it's not Bush's fault," that doesn't do anybody any damn good.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 11, 2015 01:35 PM (TOk1P)

530 #498 or any more Computer Programmers, no matter what Google or Apple or whomever might whine. I do not know how many IT professionals have been displaced so some useless clueless coder from India can come here. They may speak a form of English, but, they have to be spoon fed information from clearly written specifications to be even mildly productive. There are exceptions to this to be sure, but, not millions of exceptions.
***
hey, man, same programmer. I know this one Indian engineering female H1B and shes like totally awesome. so there, your argument is invalid.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:36 PM (ariQ4)

531 503
only somewhat OT: shots fired in a DC subway station

https://twitter.com/frederickvIII/status/642381504186818560
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This Velez fellow, his camera earns him lots of dough.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 01:36 PM (ry4ab)

532 My great-grandfather left Croatia at age 12

-
Croatia must be a hell of a place.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 01:37 PM (XUKZU)

533 and remember, just because there are about a billion female chinese and indian women who can compete for your programming job, doesn't mean they aren't a minority. They're not white, so they're super victims.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:37 PM (ariQ4)

534 I cried on Colbertfallonleno 'cause I was drunk. It humanized me.

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 11, 2015 01:37 PM (nc+gz)

535 "or any more Computer Programmers, no matter what Google or Apple or
whomever might whine. I do not know how many IT professionals have been
displaced so some useless clueless coder from India can come here."

At Breitbart:

An IT professional at Disney, one of America's largest and wealthiest firms, which could easily afford to continue to pay citizen workers, has his job H-1B'ed out of existence, among thousands of other citizens' jobs.

http://tinyurl.com/omf2hej

Posted by: torquewrench at September 11, 2015 01:37 PM (noWW6)

536 Was Willow really banned, because We need Her.... Willow!

Posted by: donna at September 11, 2015 01:38 PM (hUdMz)

537 Someone fire up the Ewok spotlight and see if we can find ace.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 01:39 PM (0FSuD)

538 "or any more Computer Programmers, no matter what Google or Apple or
whomever might whine. I do not know how many IT professionals have been
displaced so some useless clueless coder from India can come here."

***
remember, as you pay six figures for your son to get an engineering degree...these assholes are saying there are skills that US engineers just don't have.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:39 PM (ariQ4)

539 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:32 PM (ljZD2)

Sounds like you want reparations. Tell us how those mean old Protestants hurt you.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 11, 2015 01:39 PM (YccS3)

540 He couldn't do shit, but a federal judge shut down the "John Doe" investigation and the Democrat DA, STILL refused to stop and turn over the stuff they had.

He had to be threatened with contempt of court to stop.

Most outrageous witch hunt ever.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 01:31 PM (0FSuD)

BS, the Repubs owned the Legislature, at anytime the law could have been changed to fix the problem.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 01:39 PM (LXJ1e)

541
Bush and his people made a choice. That choice, to oversimplify, compassionate conservatism.

Which of course implied that conservatism itself is inherently not compassionate. I hated that term.

'Compassionate conservatism' just like 'fundamental change' was not a platform. It was a warning.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 11, 2015 01:39 PM (gAgEE)

542 All men of military age shd be sent back to fight ISIS.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 11, 2015 01:39 PM (iQIUe)

543 Drudge. Lightning strikes mosque in Mecca. 60 dead.

Posted by: gracepc at September 11, 2015 01:40 PM (DMQhB)

544 hey, man, same programmer. I know this one Indian engineering female H1B and shes like totally awesome. so there, your argument is invalid.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:36 PM (ariQ4)

Yes, we had one of those and my male Indian boss was another, but, guess what, they spent hours being unproductive helping the clueless Indian programmers get even a minor amount of work done. Guess what nationality my boss hired for every opening?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at September 11, 2015 01:40 PM (kXoT0)

545 that troll, still amuses me:

"tell me about mussolini, grandpa"

-well, he was middle aged, balding, and had a mistress.

"that asshole, we should've nuked them too"

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:40 PM (ariQ4)

546 Ace is probably naked and tied up somewhere.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 11, 2015 01:40 PM (iQIUe)

547 Oh, boy. Check out Drudge!

Posted by: rickl at September 11, 2015 01:40 PM (zoehZ)

548 Imagine a crane collapse in an all Islam city crushing the "holiest" mosque in Islam on 9/11 by an act of God. And you're trying to tell me Jehovah doesn't have a sense of humor?

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 01:41 PM (XUKZU)

549 Ace is probably naked and tied up somewhere.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!

Well it is Friday.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 11, 2015 01:41 PM (C278+)

550 Yes, we had one of those and my male Indian boss was another, but, guess what, they spent hours being unproductive helping the clueless Indian programmers get even a minor amount of work done. Guess what nationality my boss hired for every opening?
***
I guess I didn't make myself clear, I meant "better programmer" bc obviously the skills of a native born US programmer could never have matched geeta and dleep.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:41 PM (ariQ4)

551 May I be allowed to put my two cents out here in the discussion?

This country is not sinking because of immigration policy. It is not sinking because the Democrats control the White House and the Media. It is not sinking because the Republicans are a gaggle of snotweasels.

It is sinking because America was an idea that only works when its people are industrious, observant, truthful people committed to their families, to their country and to God.

The family is shattered and under attack. We kill our own children. We don't trust our government, and with good reason. They do not deserve our trust. And we have turned our backs on the Judeo-Christian values that are the underpinnings of any society that wants to last.

Back to the basics. God. Family. Country.

okay thats my piece

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at September 11, 2015 01:41 PM (dFi94)

552 526 "My great-grandfather left Croatia at age 12 to come to a country where
he didn't speak the language, to live with relatives he'd never met, to
be a longshoreman on the docks of New York, for the rest of his life."

My great-grandfather left and came to the US, too, from Italy. I would imagine 99% of the people you are calling Know-Nothings would say they have a relative who came here in the 20th century. It's irrelevant to what we need now and the challenges we face.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 11, 2015 01:41 PM (xpmPK)

553 Drudge. Lightning strikes mosque in Mecca. 60 dead.

-
The link doesn't support the lightning theory but it is still the feel good story of the day.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 01:42 PM (XUKZU)

554 503: Anything that happens in D.C. is no skin off my ass anymore. It's a pit of vipers.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 11, 2015 01:43 PM (ucDmr)

555 Imagine a crane collapse in an all Islam city crushing the "holiest" mosque in Islam on 9/11 by an act of God. And you're trying to tell me Jehovah doesn't have a sense of humor?
Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 01:41 PM (XUKZU)

It would be absolutely DELICIOUS were an investigation to find that the crane failed due to pig fat lubricants. BTW, it would be wrong to spread that rumor on the interwebz, so totes, do not do that.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at September 11, 2015 01:43 PM (kXoT0)

556 "There was a time when America needed guys with strong backs, no language
skills required, to work at jobs such as being longshoremen. We no
longer live in that era. Those jobs have been automated to the point
where only the deliberate intercession of unions keeps the ports from
being almost 100% robotic."

Yeah, but roofing house isn't automated. Nor is plumbing, or any other of a thousand different trade jobs. Yet, they go begging. Why? Because we've told everybody that those jobs are beneath them, that it's better to go into debt to get a college degree in computer programming so you can sit in an air-conditioned office and wait to be outsourced.

And then bitch about said outsourcing on the internet as if it never occurred to you that the very industry you are in exists to create efficiency that eliminates jobs and eventually that same dynamic would get around to you, too.

You want to know why immigrants do manual labor jobs? Because when those employers go to high school job fairs and offer their company's opportunities, kids turn their noses up at them. The work still needs to be done. Mike Rowe has only been on a very large fucking crusade about this very issue for years, now.

But it's the Mexicans' fault that they are willing to actually work, right?

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:43 PM (ljZD2)

557 "My great-grandfather left Croatia at age 12 to come to a country where
he didn't speak the language, to live with relatives he'd never met, to
be a longshoreman on the docks of New York, for the rest of his life."

My great-grandfather left and came to the US, too, from Italy. I would imagine 99% of the people you are calling Know-Nothings would say they have a relative who came here in the 20th century. It's irrelevant to what we need now and the challenges we face."

***

you know what? I am sure my great-grandfather would've said this.

"If I wanted to move to Mexico, then I fucking would've moved there. Now I can't stop spinning in my grave"

see also...a lot of euros did move to Mexico. And now they're getting the mestizo population to move here.

rather nice of them eh?

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:43 PM (ariQ4)

558 Yes, we had one of those and my male Indian boss was another, but, guess what, they spent hours being unproductive helping the clueless Indian programmers get even a minor amount of work done. Guess what nationality my boss hired for every opening?
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at September 11, 2015 01:40 PM (kXoT0)

Pakistani?

Posted by: Insomniac at September 11, 2015 01:44 PM (2Ojst)

559
The Syrian Refugee Crisis is NOT the responsibility of Europe to fix. And it is NOT the responsibility of America to fix.

Not a single Syrian refugee should be let into this country.

This is the Middle East's problem to address. PERIOD.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan at September 11, 2015 01:44 PM (l2dSQ)

560 My grandfather came to the USA in the 1920s without a word of English, but he was a skilled carpenter and could sew. Everyone in the United States came from immigrants if you go back far enough. That's irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

I think lightning striking the Hajj, hitting that big rock and spreading through the crowd and cracking it in half would be sweet justice, but God doesn't work that way.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 11, 2015 01:44 PM (39g3+)

561 Here's a question...

There are a number of people who would agree that carving out a refugee "safe zone" and building it for the long run in the Middle East would be preferable than bringing them here or adding to arab populations in Germany and England.

How is that we'll never hear the question asked "why don't we do this" in the press or to public officials?

Why are common sense solutions never part of the national discussion?

We spend billions on solar and wind power, along with ways of cutting usage when we know that throughout history, the greatest strides forward have been made when energy has become more available and cheaper. Why isn't this a big debate?

I, for one, sure wish the paid thinkers on the right could take up the fight for something that would benefit the people they claim to be working for.

Posted by: jwest at September 11, 2015 01:44 PM (Zs4uk)

562 Drew, first time commenter, long time reader.

I gotta disagree with your approach. for me, everything is a question of risk vs reward.
Based on what you say, all else being the same, it is better to help and welcome the refugees than not to help them. I would agree with that proposition.
The question then is: at what cost?
If I understand, you believe that even the possibility of one terror incident is too much of a cost to welcome 10,000 otherwise worthy and peaceful refugees. I agree with that it's a distinct possibility given their origin and their numbers.
Where I disagree is the idea that even the possibility in and of itself is disqualifying.
This is basically the same logic used by gun control nuts: one dead child is too many, ergo we must ban all guns to avoid that possibility.
It's also the logic used by Obama with the Iran deal: there's nothing else we can do, this is he only possible approach to the problem and if you disagree you're in favor of war - by the same token, there's only two alternatives in your scenario: rejecting all refugees or welcome terror.
This all-or-nothing approach is a freedom killer.
Now don't get me wrong: there are plenty of reasons to be concerned about these refugees being welcomed here, among which are the significant risk of terror, as well as societal and potential welfare costs. It's a discussion to have, and it's good to do so. And you may be right that bringing in these 10000 migrants is an unacceptable risk or cost.
I just don't think that we should reject them all out of hand just because there's a remote possibility one may be a terrorist, especially if we can implement some screening procedures that mitigate that risk.
Now I don't know if I believe that Obama will implement proper screening procedures either, so I don't think the risk mitigation will be sufficient. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't at least try to find a solution to help those people who deserve it at minimal cost to us. If the risk-adjusted cost to admit any one refugee is too high, so be it. But it is incumbent on us to analyze that risk.

Posted by: CMG the US Frenchy at September 11, 2015 01:44 PM (FBA90)

563 In regards to the Mecca mosque lightning strike: "Prince Khalid al-Faisal has ordered the launch of an investigation into the causes of the accident."

Not to sound glib, and the loss of life is tragic, but devout muslims would not question the will of Allah by conducting investigations.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 11, 2015 01:45 PM (KCQo0)

564 It would be absolutely DELICIOUS were an investigation to find that the crane failed due to pig fat lubricants. BTW, it would be wrong to spread that rumor on the interwebz, so totes, do not do that.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at September 11, 2015 01:43 PM (kXoT0)

Oh. Yeah. Totes wrong.

*wink wink*

Posted by: Insomniac at September 11, 2015 01:45 PM (2Ojst)

565
But it's the Mexicans' fault that they are willing to actually work, right

***

The "Same Citizen" brigade casually switches to "better citizen" if you're not careful.

remember, like Jeb says, USA ain't shit without some mestizos earning less than min wage bc the native stock is just too fucking lazy.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:45 PM (ariQ4)

566 There are some bloody photos of dead muslims in mecca. Did they get crushed?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 11, 2015 01:46 PM (iQIUe)

567 "Croatia must be a hell of a place."

It is now, now that they have got the fucking commies and Serbs the fuck out of the way. In 1905, not so much.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:46 PM (ljZD2)

568 My grandfather came to the US in the early 20th century. He didn't have a nickle. Today, he has a nickle.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 01:46 PM (XUKZU)

569 See Drudge: 60 dead, 150 injured when a crane collapses in Mecca.
_________________

When you juxtapose those images with the photos of the big rainbow over Ground Zero, you can't help but think Somebody is trying to tell us something.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 11, 2015 01:46 PM (a31sM)

570 Well, not exactly. Public housing existed, but not HUD. Reagan 64, always a good show to watch and remember we've been fighting these people for over 50 years.

http://tinyurl.com/l9u62sa

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 01:34 PM (0FSuD)

I included the public housing because I think most of the large nationally funded project began in the late sixties.

Anyway basic point is that we are not living in 1964. We have different conditions now in the world and US that require different policies to protect and promote the general welfare of our society.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 01:47 PM (LXJ1e)

571 I just have no tolerance for people who think this country is going to hell because it isn't some Anglo protestant paradise.

My
great-grandfather left Croatia at age 12 to come to a country where he
didn't speak the language, to live with relatives he'd never met, to be a
longshoreman on the docks of New York, for the rest of his life. My
other Croatian and Swedish ancestors did similar hard-ass work and took
the same kind of crazy chance on America.

I have no patience for
people saying our greatest days are behind us. And I really have no
patience for the kind of rhetoric that was used against "people like me"
for the last 200 years. You know, those of us "swarthy foreigners who
are going to invade and turn this country into a hellhole slave-colony
of the Papacy."

It's the same old Know-nothing poison dressed up in social media clothing today.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:32 PM (ljZD2)
And the Russian Troll gives itself away. Does the poor widdle Troll have daddy issues?

Posted by: An Observation at September 11, 2015 01:47 PM (5BeNw)

572 There are a number of people who would agree that carving out a refugee "safe zone" and building it for the long run in the Middle East would be preferable than bringing them here or adding to arab populations in Germany and England.
***
Saudi has that yuuuge temp tent city near mecca to put them in.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:47 PM (ariQ4)

573 511
"Careful there trumpetdaddy, your SJW slip is showing."

No, I
just have no tolerance for people who think this country is going to
hell because it isn't some Anglo protestant paradise.

----------------
Oh, I seem to have hit the target. Heh heh, the troll resorts to "RAY-CIST!" when the argument gets tough. Get lost, you Turk-kissing SJW in Kasch's clothing. Your arguments are divisive, defeatist, defamatory, and therefore Democrat.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 11, 2015 01:47 PM (ry4ab)

574 Im waiting for Biden to announce that his dead kid came to him and ordered him to run. You know he is setting it up...

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 11, 2015 01:47 PM (iQIUe)

575 567 "Croatia must be a hell of a place."

It is now, now that they have got the fucking commies and Serbs the fuck out of the way. In 1905, not so much.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:46 PM (ljZD2)

Springfield Armory has a manufacturing plant there, if I'm not mistaken.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 11, 2015 01:47 PM (2Ojst)

576 >>I'm sorry that others squandered the opportunity to confront and defeat evil, and I'm sorry so many here lay at Bush's feet the atrocities committed in the name of Allah.

That's pretty much the whole neocon hawk take on Iraq. Sorry not sorry. Not their fault. Learned nothing.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 11, 2015 01:48 PM (TULs6)

577 BS, the Repubs owned the Legislature, at anytime the law could have been changed to fix the problem.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 01:39 PM (LXJ1e

Simply wrong. They are working to repeal the law.

http://tinyurl.com/q2par6h

Court ruling... http://tinyurl.com/odtmd39

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 01:48 PM (0FSuD)

578 Pakistani?
Posted by: Insomniac at September 11, 2015 01:44 PM (2Ojst)

Gosh, so close, no cigar.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at September 11, 2015 01:48 PM (kXoT0)

579 You want to know why immigrants do manual labor jobs? Because when those employers go to high school job fairs and offer their company's opportunities, kids turn their noses up at them.

Immigrants do manual labor jobs because business owners pay shit wages, which 'dumbass programmers' like me subsidize by providing their workforce with healthcare, education, and food stamps.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 11, 2015 01:48 PM (xpmPK)

580 Meanwhile down on the southern 'border', 250,000 per year walk on in.....

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at September 11, 2015 01:48 PM (DfCQN)

581 537 Someone fire up the Ewok spotlight and see if we can find ace.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 01:39 PM (0FSuD)

He's probably off conversing, communicating and hob-nobbing with the other wizards of the internet, discussing things that only paid thinkers can comprehend.

Posted by: jwest at September 11, 2015 01:48 PM (Zs4uk)

582 568 My grandfather came to the US in the early 20th century. He didn't have a nickle. Today, he has a nickle.
Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 01:46 PM (XUKZU)

Which he failed to report on his 1040. Fire up the audit machine, Smitty!

Posted by: IRS at September 11, 2015 01:48 PM (2Ojst)

583 remember, like Jeb says, USA ain't shit without some mestizos earning less than min wage bc the native stock is just too fucking lazy.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:45 PM (ariQ4)

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Yes, the underlying logic behind "jobs American just won't do".

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 01:49 PM (LXJ1e)

584 I went to Croatia in June. Lovely people, great food. Inexpensive.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 01:49 PM (0FSuD)

585 "You want to know why immigrants do manual labor jobs? Because when those
employers go to high school job fairs and offer their company's
opportunities, kids turn their noses up at them. The work still needs to
be done."

A neighbor re-roofed a few years ago. The roofer and his crew, all citizens, were on their second to last job before the roofer folded his tent and shut down his business forever, leaving his guys without work.

Early retirement for him. Unwanted early retirement. He wanted to keep going for another 15 or 20 years.

But the wildcat illegals drove him out of business. No permits, no licensing costs, no workers' comp, no taxes, cash wages under the table.

Let me tell you that this guy and his crew in no conceivable way could be described as having "turned their noses up" at a job they liked, were good at, and wished to continue in.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 11, 2015 01:49 PM (noWW6)

586 "Prince Khalid al-Faisal has ordered the launch of an investigation into the causes of the accident."

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Sheikh Rattlenroll's investigation will blame the Jews.

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 01:49 PM (XUKZU)

587 "This country is not sinking because of immigration policy. It is not sinking because the Democrats control the White House and the Media. It is not sinking because the Republicans are a gaggle of snotweasels."

It's true that these are symptoms, not the cause. Something in the minds of Americans was changed. That change became clear during the 1960's, but I believe even that eruption was a symptom of something that had begun long before. Some trace it back to the Frankfurt School in the early 20th century. Whatever the original source, Progressives have been undermining the very fabric of our culture for a long, long time, and we are now seeing the results of their success. They wanted to destroy us, and we are dying.

Posted by: despair at September 11, 2015 01:49 PM (ihXsr)

588 Oh, I seem to have hit the target. Heh heh, the troll resorts to "RAY-CIST!" when the argument gets tough. Get lost, you Turk-kissing SJW in Kasch's clothing. Your arguments are divisive, defeatist, defamatory, and therefore Democrat.
****
yeah, SJW tards go from "Same X" to "Better X" when pushed in a corner.

Like, well mexicans work harder than you lazy americans, so we have to let them in, sorry you are too racist to like better workers.

or, sure don't you know all straight parents are hillbillies while gay parents are fashionable young men who are surely monogamous and dote on their kids and would never do a lot of drugs, you homophobe.

and on and on.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:49 PM (ariQ4)

589 AP reporting the people killed at the mosque were killed by a crane collapse.

????

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 11, 2015 01:49 PM (KCQo0)

590 578 Pakistani?
Posted by: Insomniac at September 11, 2015 01:44 PM (2Ojst)

Gosh, so close, no cigar.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at September 11, 2015 01:48 PM (kXoT0)

Darn it! *slaps knee*

Posted by: Insomniac at September 11, 2015 01:49 PM (2Ojst)

591 He's probably off conversing, communicating and
hob-nobbing with the other wizards of the internet, discussing things
that only paid thinkers can comprehend.

Posted by: jwest at September 11, 2015 01:48 PM (Zs4uk

That or he's editing a 4,000 word movie review?

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 01:50 PM (0FSuD)

592
He's probably off conversing, communicating and hob-nobbing with the other wizards of the internet, discussing things that only paid thinkers can comprehend.

Posted by: jwest

Or his with that whore twitter again.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 11, 2015 01:50 PM (C278+)

593 Let me tell you that this guy and his crew in no conceivable way could be described as having "turned their noses up" at a job they liked, were good at, and wished to continue in.
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yeah, "same X" turns into "better X"

I had some landscaping done. They fucked it up but the illegals were the only game in town bc the old irish family couldn't compete. Remember living wages?

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:50 PM (ariQ4)

594 "Immigrants do manual labor jobs because business owners pay shit wages,
which 'dumbass programmers' like me subsidize by providing their
workforce with healthcare, education, and food stamps."

Hey! You over there! Pipe down. We got a nice setup going here. Anyone messes with it, we mess with them. Capisce?

Posted by: Tom Donohue and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce at September 11, 2015 01:50 PM (noWW6)

595 What if all the refugees were put on something similar to the local sex offender registry, so you could look them up on your Sheriff's web page and get alerts like "24yo Syrian male lives within 5 blocks of you!"

/spitballing ideas

Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at September 11, 2015 01:50 PM (3ZtZW)

596 Early retirement for him. Unwanted early retirement. He wanted to keep going for another 15 or 20 years.

But the wildcat illegals drove him out of business. No permits, no licensing costs, no workers' comp, no taxes, cash wages under the table.

Yeah, I'm all for non-union work and lower regulations to reduce costs for construction but these guys are just breaking the law and ripping off workers because they can. Construction is second only to farming in use of illegals and its gutting a major middle class blue collar industry.

And meanwhile, the immigrant workers are being basically robbed because they're illegal and can't complain. So nobody wins, in the end.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 11, 2015 01:51 PM (39g3+)

597
People are always dying in mecca bc there are too many people cramming to get in. Whether it is a bridge that collapses or a stampede or a crane, its always too many damn people who want to rub the holy clit

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 11, 2015 01:51 PM (iQIUe)

598 My Grandma would sometimes say shit I could not understand. Not foreign ... just Kentuckian.

Posted by: Irony at September 11, 2015 01:52 PM (axOXH)

599
Strumpetdaddy doesn't seem to understand a basic law of supply and demand.

If the supply of cheap labor dries up (by ending the Illegal Immigration Crisis), the price of labor will go up. So, yes, those manual labor jobs will get done.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan at September 11, 2015 01:52 PM (l2dSQ)

600 Like, well mexicans work harder than you lazy americans, so we have to let them in, sorry you are too racist to like better workers.

or, sure don't you know all straight parents are hillbillies while gay parents are fashionable young men who are surely monogamous and dote on their kids and would never do a lot of drugs, you homophobe.

and on and on.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:49 PM (ariQ4)

'Immigrants are superior to you' talk should really be treated like 'whites are superior to x' talk.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 11, 2015 01:52 PM (xpmPK)

601 too many damn people who want to rub the holy clit

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!

Well, duh. When you put it that way it makes perfect sense.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 11, 2015 01:53 PM (/Ho8c)

602 There are a number of people who would agree that carving out a refugee "safe zone" and building it for the long run in the Middle East would be preferable than bringing them here or adding to arab populations in Germany and England.
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Saudi has that yuuuge temp tent city near mecca to put them in.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:47 PM (ariQ4)

Gaza Part Deux? So another Arafat or twenty can arise and foment more terrorism. Nope, there is no good simple solution. Not to be harsh and in no way am I advocating for this, but, remember in all the old Testament stories of conquest, they did not do refugees, they slew them to the last man, woman, and child--unless they needed slaves and then they kept the strongest and most useful--usually castrating the men so they would not have families. Brutal, but, effective.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at September 11, 2015 01:53 PM (kXoT0)

603 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:32 PM (ljZD2)
And the Russian Troll gives itself away. Does the poor widdle Troll have daddy issues?

Posted by: An Observation at September 11, 2015 01:47 PM (5BeNw)

He tells different stories when he comes here. This one is new. I would say it's interesting, but really, it's not.

He's Hollowpoint. Gope shill.

Everything else, you have no way of knowing which part of the act he's playing at any given moment.

Trolls gotta troll.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 11, 2015 01:53 PM (TOk1P)

604 >>But it's the Mexicans' fault that they are willing to actually work, right

http://tinyurl.com/nhyqzfd

Workin hard. Doin all the work. Lazy americans are too lazy to sit on the dole and vote democrat.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 11, 2015 01:53 PM (TULs6)

605 Nude Open Drew

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 11, 2015 01:53 PM (evdj2)

606 Yeah, I'm all for non-union work and lower regulations to reduce costs for construction but these guys are just breaking the law and ripping off workers because they can. Construction is second only to farming in use of illegals and its gutting a major middle class blue collar industry.
***
well, remember, the SJW "better X" is now used to get "minority" female indian or chinese* engineers to take your jobs.

There's no protection now for yucky legacy americans and "better X" SJWs are more than happy to say its your fault.

*=there's only a billion of them.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:53 PM (ariQ4)

607 "I went to Croatia in June. Lovely people, great food. Inexpensive."

Yeah, same cuisine as Italy for half the price.

And most people speak English and/or German because of the tourist trade. Just don't drink any rakija, no matter how much they offer it to you. The homemade shit will burn your throat like lava better than any eastern Kentucky moonshine ever will.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:53 PM (ljZD2)

608 605 Nude Open Drew
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 11, 2015 01:53 PM (evdj2)

Dude. Gross.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 11, 2015 01:54 PM (2Ojst)

609 See Drudge: 60 dead, 150 injured when a crane collapses in Mecca.
_________________

When you juxtapose those images with the photos of the big rainbow over Ground Zero, you can't help but think Somebody is trying to tell us something.

-
Shouldn't we be out in the streets giving away candy and cheering the way they were on 9/11/01?

Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 11, 2015 01:54 PM (XUKZU)

610 But it's the Mexicans' fault that they are willing to actually work, right?

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:43 PM (ljZD2)

LOL, Hollowhead.

I would really see a neurologist if I were you.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 11, 2015 01:54 PM (zc3Db)

611 Simply wrong. They are working to repeal the law.

http://tinyurl.com/q2par6h

Court ruling... http://tinyurl.com/odtmd39
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 11, 2015 01:48 PM (0FSuD)

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Working on it? Slow crawling it maybe? Now that the Wisconsin SC ruled on the John Doe cases, did they pass the reform?

If there was any concern from Walker and Repub leaders about the persecution, something would have been done immediately. But it wasn't.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 01:54 PM (LXJ1e)

612 Watched part of an interview with the founder and CEO of Uber by Colbert. Why? Stephen Crowder posted it noting that the Uber guy basically takes Colbert out to the woodshed on economics and business.

But I couldn't keep watching. Colbert isn't funny. he's not even trying to be funny most of the time. Without that smarmy schtick he did on The Daily Show and his own program he just comes across as a leftist jerk. Seriously, he is just is ignorant and stupid.

And he looks old, its weird. He just looks like he's 50 with lots of makeup on.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 11, 2015 01:54 PM (39g3+)

613 okay thats my piece

Thanks; Good piece.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2015 01:54 PM (OSs/l)

614 aza Part Deux? So another Arafat or twenty can arise and foment more terrorism. Nope, there is no good simple solution. Not to be harsh and in no way am I advocating for this, but, remember in all the old Testament stories of conquest, they did not do refugees, they slew them to the last man, woman, and child--unless they needed slaves and then they kept the strongest and most useful--usually castrating the men so they would not have families. Brutal, but, effective.

***

I don't think the life of the middle eastern male is really going to end up as anything other than suicide vest fodder either way.

not that the middle eastern woman's fate is any better.

all the more to wall those fuckers off.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:54 PM (ariQ4)

615 But it's the Mexicans' fault that they are willing to actually work, right?
***
what an evil asshole

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:55 PM (ariQ4)

616 No it wasn't. America has always had its fringe of people vehemently arguing that any newcomers would wreck the culture and ruin the country. Especially if those newcomers were not Anglo Protestants. We've been having this same, lame argument since before the Revolution. Why do you think Roger Williams, and Lord Baltimore, and William Penn had to set up their Catholic colonies elsewhere than Massachusetts Bay? This isn't new.

=====

So you're saying its Cultural

Why are you disrespecting my Culture, hater?

Posted by: Bigby's Shadow Puppets at September 11, 2015 01:55 PM (3ZtZW)

617 "If the supply of cheap labor dries up (by ending the Illegal Immigration
Crisis), the price of labor will go up. So, yes, those manual labor
jobs will get done."

Well, not quite. In the vast majority of cases, the cost of labor, i.e., wages, will rise to a market-clearing level.

Some small percentage of jobs will find no applicants at a wage low enough for a particular employer to be willing to pay.

An Austrian economist would describe those succinctly as "jobs that should not be being done in the first place".

Posted by: torquewrench at September 11, 2015 01:56 PM (noWW6)

618 Let me tell you that this guy and his crew in no conceivable way could be described as having "turned their noses up" at a job they liked, were good at, and wished to continue in.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 11, 2015 01:49 PM (noWW6)

Yep, it's been a few years, but, we had a fourth generation bricklaying business go under because they wouldn't hire illegals.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at September 11, 2015 01:56 PM (kXoT0)

619 But it is incumbent on us to analyze that risk.
Posted by: CMG the US Frenchy at September 11, 2015 01:44 PM (FBA90)

No, it isn't. Why should it be? Ours is the most generous immigration system in the history of the planet. We are not obligated to give homes to anyone, ever. I'm not saying we shouldn't do what we reasonably can for the Syrians or whomever wherever, but where does this 'incumbency' come from? This obligation?

Besides, I would guess (conservatively) at least one in a hundred of those 'refugees' is an ISIS operative intent on cutting Western throats and blowing up Western schoolchildren.Our greater obligation is to the safety of our own people.

Posted by: troyriser at September 11, 2015 01:56 PM (UWlp+)

620
When you juxtapose those images with the photos of the big rainbow over Ground Zero, you can't help but think Somebody is trying to tell us something.

Yes: trust God and His promises.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 11, 2015 01:56 PM (39g3+)

621 "If the supply of cheap labor dries up (by ending the Illegal Immigration
Crisis), the price of labor will go up. So, yes, those manual labor
jobs will get done."

So, Bernie Sanders gets your donations, yes? Smoot and Hawley called. They want their economic policies back.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:56 PM (ljZD2)

622 I saw a TV report of a Syrian family who emigrated to London a few years ago. They get $500 per week and an apartment. The kids love their new life, but the father, who seems educated and middle class, is not happy with that which was given to him for free there. NOT HAPPY!

Even if he were happy, he wouldn't say it. You have to be sullen and Islamic to get any respect.

This will not end well.

Posted by: PJ at September 11, 2015 01:57 PM (cHuNI)

623 And meanwhile, the immigrant workers are being basically robbed because they're illegal and can't complain. So nobody wins, in the end.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 11, 2015 01:51 PM (39g3+)

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Oh, somebody wins alright, somebody wins.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 01:57 PM (LXJ1e)

624 So, Bernie Sanders gets your donations, yes? Smoot and Hawley called. They want their economic policies back.

**

just thrashing around now

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 01:57 PM (ariQ4)

625 "unless they needed slaves and then they kept the strongest and most
useful--usually castrating the men so they would not have families"

Castration has been a feature of Islamic slavery from the get-go. A number of the American men captured by the Barbary pirates were forcibly de-nutted.

IIRC, the Ottoman Turks didn't castrate their slave Janissaries, because, gee whiz, if you want strong aggressive soldiers to fight your cause, they had better have balls in the anatomical sense.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 11, 2015 01:58 PM (noWW6)

626 No, it isn't. Why should it be? Ours is the most generous immigration system in the history of the planet. We are not obligated to give homes to anyone, ever. I'm not saying we shouldn't do what we reasonably can for the Syrians or whomever wherever, but where does this 'incumbency' come from? This obligation?

Besides, I would guess (conservatively) at least one in a hundred of those 'refugees' is an ISIS operative intent on cutting Western throats and blowing up Western schoolchildren.Our greater obligation is to the safety of our own people.
Posted by: troyriser at September 11, 2015 01:56 PM (UWlp+)

We grow more food than can be consumed. Heck, we turn corn into ethanol. We have the food to send them. We just don't need more Boston Marathhon bombers or 9/11 pilots, we just don't, but, we are gonna git 'em, ain't we, so some Liberals can feel all warm and toasty about D-I-V-E-R-S-I-T-Y!!!!

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at September 11, 2015 02:01 PM (kXoT0)

627 "I saw a TV report of a Syrian family who emigrated to London a few years
ago. They get $500 per week and an apartment. The kids love their new
life, but the father, who seems educated and middle class, is not happy
with that which was given to him for free there."

They're not skilled enough yet at gaming the system.

I can cite you chapter and verse on "refugee" families in the UK pulling down much more than that in benefits and living in frankly luxurious housing.

Oh, and parenthetically, the little drowned kid? Turns out his father wasn't a helpless victim of people smugglers after all. His role apparently was more akin to the charter captain of the sunken boat. He got his own kid killed in a moneymaking venture.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 11, 2015 02:01 PM (noWW6)

628 Torque's post hit it. Read it again.

If we shut these damn borders down, and your roofing project gets more expensive ... it can still be a net win for us. Now go the next step. Start removing the incentives to not work.

Posted by: Irony at September 11, 2015 02:02 PM (axOXH)

629
torquewrench @ comment # 617 - true and fair point you make.
But my point was meant as a generalization.

Strumpetdaddy @ comment # 621 - you are just spouting nonsense now.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan at September 11, 2015 02:02 PM (l2dSQ)

630 Yes, torquewrench, the Syrian's sad bleating was probably a plea for more free stuff.

Posted by: PJ at September 11, 2015 02:04 PM (cHuNI)

631 pay MORE for blue collar work products?

what are you, a fascists?

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 02:05 PM (ariQ4)

632 Oh! Nood. Didn't notice.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 11, 2015 02:07 PM (noWW6)

633 574 Im waiting for Biden to announce that his dead kid came to him and ordered him to run. You know he is setting it up...
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 11, 2015 01:47 PM (iQIUe)
________________________-

Yes, Biden will soon be coming out with a new book to coincide with the start of his campaign: Dreams From My Dead Son

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 11, 2015 02:08 PM (a31sM)

634 Immigrants do manual labor jobs because business owners pay shit wages, which 'dumbass programmers' like me subsidize by providing their workforce with healthcare, education, and food stamps.

I might also add that those us native-born that DO work manual labor jobs wouldn't mind there being a bit more competition for our services. It's a good thing that I am single, 'cause there is no way I could support a family on what I make doing semi-skilled labor. I can hardly support myself.

I've met a fair number of Mexicans over the years, and generally got along well. One of my coworkers now is of dubious legality (came over legally, went back and snuck his wife over the border when she had cancer and couldn't get in legally), and I like him a lot - he is a good guy by anyone's standards. That doesn't mean illegal immigrants aren't a problem in the aggregate.

Posted by: Grey Fox at September 11, 2015 02:11 PM (bZ7mE)

635 "If we shut these damn borders down, and your roofing project gets more
expensive ... it can still be a net win for us. Now go the next step.
Start removing the incentives to not work."

Because no Democrat would ever love to run on how Republicans are making prices go up at the same time they are tearing out the social "safety net."

No, they would hate that.

Absolutely hate it.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 02:13 PM (ljZD2)

636 Regarding the crane collapse, I give you Luke 13:1-5

Jesus' perspective was that we all need to repent rather than looking at the sins of others. I agree Islam is evil and destructive, but unless we repent, we deserve it like Israel did being conquered by Syria under Habakkuk.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 11, 2015 02:13 PM (39g3+)

637 "I've met a fair number of Mexicans over the years, and generally got
along well. One of my coworkers now is of dubious legality (came over
legally, went back and snuck his wife over the border when she had
cancer and couldn't get in legally), and I like him a lot - he is a good
guy by anyone's standards. That doesn't mean illegal immigrants aren't a
problem in the aggregate."

This is exactly right.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 02:14 PM (ljZD2)

638 Because no Democrat would ever love to run on how Republicans are making prices go up at the same time they are tearing out the social "safety net."

***

and yet here we are artificially spiking the costs of agricultural goods to make farmers earn same profit margins as in 1910.

tearing out the safety net. What a retard.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 02:14 PM (ariQ4)

639 troll can't help but swim from "same X" to "better X"

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 02:15 PM (ariQ4)

640 Because no Democrat would ever love to run on how Republicans are making prices go up at the same time they are tearing out the social "safety net."

I get no benefit from that so-called safety net all the while my wages are being depressed from having to compete with those that are benefitting.

Posted by: Grey Fox at September 11, 2015 02:15 PM (bZ7mE)

641 I get no benefit from that so-called safety net all the while my wages are being depressed from having to compete with those that are benefitting.
***
retard thinks all DNC projects are from free money, there are no social, economic costs to punishing accomplishments.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 02:17 PM (ariQ4)

642 like PJ Oruorke pointed out.

Stupid euros look at grand government buildings that were built with tax payer $ that could've created a general motors factory.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 02:18 PM (ariQ4)

643 hey man, think of all the money apple is saving using H1B girls from india...you get a cheaper iphone.

but, sure, your kid never leaves the house because he graduated from college with 6 figure debt and no job prospects.

hidden costs aren't hidden, you just arne't loooking

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 02:21 PM (ariQ4)

644 I don't think that security is even the main reason for not bringing them over. The main issue is the probable inability and desire of people from non-Western, third world countries to fit into a country of western culture. Isn't this the type of problem that the U.N. was made for? Opening refugee facilities in the affected country (Syria in this case) and providing protection to the inhabitants of that facility until order is restored in the country.

Posted by: PhilDayton at September 11, 2015 02:25 PM (eFytx)

645
trumpetdaddy @ comment # 635:

You utterly miss the point of stopping the Illegal Immigration Crisis.
If we successfully shut the border and thereby get a grip on the crisis, Democrats will have LOST on that vital issue.

What do you think there campaign slogan would be? "We need cheaper, illegal labor so let's throw BACK OPEN the southern border!" - ?
That would obviously be a LOSER politically.

The Illegal Immigration Crisis is a severe STRUCTURAL problem. If we get a handle on it: it is a yuuuuuge win for the future of conservatives and a yuuuuuge defeat for the left.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan at September 11, 2015 02:26 PM (l2dSQ)

646 We have Armenian friends. Last time we visited with them, after a few drinks, our friend started singing a song. And his friend translated that it was about the Armenian holocaust, where the Turks slaughtered them. Even though Rubic has been in this country some time now, he still remembers. He's done fairly well and so have their children. His daughters went back to Armenia to find husbands and I can't say if they consider themselves American or not.

Yes, I am in favor of legal immigrants, with skills that we need coming to this country. I am not in favor of importing Muslims, no matter how badly off they are, when Muslim countries refuse to take them in. I have no desire to see a holocaust on this soil.

Posted by: notsothoreau at September 11, 2015 02:27 PM (5HBd1)

647 If you feel for persecuted populations in Muslim lands just let in the Christians and Jews.

Posted by: Mr. FeverHead at September 11, 2015 02:45 PM (j1Wvr)

648 If you feel for persecuted populations in Muslim lands just let in the Christians and Jews.
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their armies that is. We'll do a better job of running things.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 11, 2015 02:56 PM (ariQ4)

649 Any excuse to bring in more Muslims, more Muslims, and more Muslims, Obama will do it.

Posted by: Hikaru at September 11, 2015 03:08 PM (FrHC0)

650 No humane reason we can't build camps in Turkey and fly in bottled water and food. In fact it's more humane to keep them next to their homeland than sever them forever from the old country by settling them across the planet.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at September 11, 2015 03:13 PM (EioIi)

651 The Illegal Immigration Crisis is a severe STRUCTURAL problem. If we get a handle on it: it is a yuuuuuge win for the future of conservatives and a yuuuuuge defeat for the left.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan at September 11, 2015 02:26 PM (l2dSQ)

trumpetdaddy really doesn't want a win.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 11, 2015 03:14 PM (LXJ1e)

652 619
I agree with you but my point was more that given the choice between welcoming some of them or not, we need to think about it before we make a decision. There are very good reasons not to want these refugees here. All I'm saying is "One of them may be a terrorist" is not enough reason to refuse them all - which doesn't mean we should accept them either, again there are very good reasons not to.

Let me use the gun example again: out of a random population in, say, south side Chicago, there's a strong possibility that you may have several gangbangers which are highly likely to commit a violent crime if given access to a weapon. Setting aside the fact that he can get this weapon illegally anyway, is the potential presence of this criminal in the general population a good reason to refuse his gun rights to, say, a head of household with a professional job? Of course not, because you know the head of household is likely to be law abiding and to use his gun responsibly - especially in self defense against the gangbanger.
On the other hand, if you have a population of mostly present or former friends and family members of gangbangers, you may need a higher level of scrutiny to identify which is which.

So, it's our decision to make, but let's make it based on real reasons - otherwise we're no better than progressives.

Posted by: CMG the US Frenchy at September 11, 2015 03:46 PM (FBA90)

653
Pinging out to Make America @ comment # 651:

That's what I strongly suspect.

I can't figure out where Trumpet - "I don't actually give a shit about illegal immigration" - Daddy is actually coming from.

I believe him when he says he doesn't "actually give a shit" about Illegal Immigration.
But is he really so stupid as to not realize how devastating the issue is to conservatives?
Or is that his whole point?

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan at September 11, 2015 04:05 PM (l2dSQ)

654 Let's remember that the Syrians celebrated 9/11...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsq5ZRir-0k

Posted by: OrsonSnow at September 11, 2015 09:49 PM (sraFK)

655 One question is: Why are elites so inclined to "open borders"?

Here is an example of one major reason. The author is an American Jewish libertarian whose father had to sneak across borders to escape the Nazis. And therefore he is opposed to any border enforcement, anywhere, anytime.

For a fair number of people, including for obvious reasons a disproportionate number of the "elite", it always comes down to that ancestral memory.

Which, in cases like this, is relevant.

It seems to me we have three choices.

1) Admit refugees, including many dangerous criminals (political and otherwise).

2) Exclude refugees, including many completely innocent people who will die.

3) Fix the region in question so people there don't become refugees.

Choices 1 and 3 will have costs to us in money and blood. Choice 2 is cheaper - but our conscience will not allow us to make and hold to it. Maybe yours. But not a majority of Americans.

So that leaves 1) and 3), and the costs in 1) are delayed. Guess which one will be taken?

Unless a strong body of opinion makes the case for 3).

If that doesn't happen, that leaves 1) and 2), and Americans will not take 2). Even if there is a majority nominally in favor of 2), hardly anyone will want to do the genuinely dirty work of enforcing it, and many people will collaborate in evading it. It's a non-starter; it will lapse into 1).

Posted by: Rich Rostrom at September 12, 2015 02:03 AM (YkV15)

656 Unless a strong body of opinion makes the case for 3).

If that doesn't happen, that leaves 1) and 2), and Americans will not take 2). Even if there is a majority nominally in favor of 2), hardly anyone will want to do the genuinely dirty work of enforcing it, and many people will collaborate in evading it. It's a non-starter; it will lapse into 1).

Posted by: Rich Rostrom at September 12, 2015 02:03 AM (YkV15)

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We are not the Dumpster for the World. Choice #2 is perfectly valid and holds up the best under legal scrutiny.

Their desire to come here in no way comingles with our right to just say no.

A Leftist posted a hand wringing thIng on FB about how mean we are if we don't take them all. I mentioned that we should absolutely mirror Mexico's Illegal Alien policies. She clapped like a seal, until I showed her a link to them.

Crickets since then.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 12, 2015 02:27 AM (UEow7)

657 But it's the Mexicans' fault that they are willing to actually work, right?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 11, 2015 01:43 PM (ljZD2)

Are you finally letting the mask slip after spending a full month here trolling how Walker and Bush are really super-tough on illegals?

Workplace negligence or change of employers?

Posted by: Aristotle at September 12, 2015 04:57 PM (DGnwJ)

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