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Is Trump's Mouth Going to Finally Destroy Him?
Part of the reason Trump is gaining support is that Trump is gaining support. That is, as he looks more like a winner, people who are open to him but somewhat reluctant (like me) are willing to jump on the bandwagon.
But this works in the opposite direction, too: If he starts looking like a loser, he begins loosing weakly-committed people like me, who were only getting aboard because he seemed to be a winner. Trump's mouth makes him seem like a loser. For those of you perplexed as to why this matters so much, I'll explain it: There is a notion of Middle Class Respectability. This notion is important to most members of my (your?) class. It can be put aside by highly-committed partisans who are intensely in favor of Trump (and who therefore don't sweat negative information about him), but not by most people. I have said before, in a line that I quite like, that Donald Trump is gloriously unburdened by respectability. Respectability is both a blessing and a curse. Respectability, obviously, grants you some respect; you behave properly, according to the code of the class, and therefore are considered a member in good standing of that class. But it is also very limiting. Many people will point out that GOP/RINO "pussies" will buckle and apologize at the first dirty look from a member of the liberal establishment. That is the downside of respectability -- people are afraid to lose it, and will quickly apologize when The Mob threatens to withdraw respectability from them. And in America 2015, public respectability is granted by -- controlled by -- the college-educated upper-middle-class Media Class which controls most everything related to morals and manners. The fact that Trump is gloriously unburdened by respectability makes him willing/able to say things that no Respectability-Craving politician ever could, like that yes, we need a border wall, and yes, we are permitted to, and should, be outraged by foreign criminals murdering Americans who are permitted to be here by Democratic mayors and presidents. But the downside of his contempt for respectability is that he will obliviously trample things that are very important to the people whose support he will ultimately need, if he wants to do more than blow hot air. Whether or not Trump thinks that upper middle class suburban Republicans are silly or not, whether or not he thinks they're "losers" or not for owning only two cars, he will need that one third of the party that is currently dead-set against him. And while Trump seems to either have a problem with women (how long did he spend attacking Megyn Kelly, versus how long did he spend attacking Chris Wallace?) or is simply unburdened by the Middle Class Respectability code of gallantry towards women, It is making a very large and influential block of people absolutely disgusted by him, repelled by him not a political level (which could always later be finessed or papered over) but on a personal level (which can never be repaired). And. He. Won't. Stop. I would venture to say he can't stop -- I would venture to say that in Trump's world of yes-men and eternal entitlement, calling a woman ugly is just sort of something he casually does, and, like a high school super-jock who's always been protected from the consequences of his actions, he just has never had reason to internalize that dismissing a woman as Sexually Not Up to My High Standards as an opening gambit in conversation is socially disfavored. So once again I am in the "Trump is a lose" boat. Which is too bad, because the guy undeniably has raw political talent, and yes, his lack of any need of respectability makes him free to take controversial positions -- which, it turns out, are not that controversial at all, after someone finally publicly declares that they should be our policy. (Middle Class Respectability has made the political class jump at shadows and fearful of common-sense measures like sealing the border.) I guess this is a package deal -- if you wan't the Trump who is unburdened by respectability enough to say he's building that wall, you're also going to get the Trump who doesn't understand why he can't go around pointing out the women who are not sufficiently attractive for him to want to f***. And most people who are ideologically committed to him will blow this off. And I get that -- ideology is very important. But for many of us weaker Trump partisans, ideology is just one piece of the puzzle; another piece is electability. And while Trump had been doing a good job showing he might be electable after all, he once again, unthinkingly, blew himself up again in the exact way his critics predicted he would. He is 69 years old. He has lived in a bubble of validation and Yes-Men all his life. He is no longer capable of learning. I had hoped against hope that his mind was not yet so calcified that learning was beyond him, but it turns out it is. He doesn't learn, and frankly, I think it's because he's narcissistic enough to think he needs no more learning. He went to Wharton, you know. So I'm back off the Trump train. If he shows any capability of learning, or of simply comprehending that he cannot win while he continues rubbing his luxurious, classy dick all over precious status-conferring codes of behavior deeply believed by one third of the conservative coalition -- if he actually demonstrates a rudimentary understanding of his own self-interest -- maybe I'll reconsider him. But for now, he stinks of a loser to me. I think every election is not primarily about ideology per se, but which candidate embodies what voters conceive of as the avatar of a just society, and of what they'd like society to look like, if they could wish it into existence. Barack Obama largely won because he was such an aspirational figure. Many people -- not me, not you; we weren't taken in -- looked at him and said, "What a man, educated, urbane, caring... that's what I'd like society to look like." That is still the calculus of most people on both sides of the aisle. Trump is getting to that place where people cannot possibly look to him to see what they'd like to be; he keeps reminding people that people are, at heart, ugly. A good candidate is one that gives people a positive vision what they'd like to be. Trump seems determined to remind us what we really are, which is mean, crude, narcissistic, and frivolous. And we do not wish to be reminded of that. He will not win the presidency that way. He may win the nomination in a broken field, but not the presidency.Donald Trump's ballot. pic.twitter.com/gecVIytEC6
— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) September 10, 2015Comments
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Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 10, 2015 12:00 PM (iQIUe)
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"There is a notion of Middle Class Respectability. This notion is important to most members of my (your?) class."
Which, in a nutshell, is why we lose. We're in a knife fight in an alley, and we're using Marquis of Queensbury rules.
Which, in a nutshell, is why we lose. We're in a knife fight in an alley, and we're using Marquis of Queensbury rules.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 10, 2015 12:01 PM (oKE6c)
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*buys stock in fainting couches*
Posted by: @votermom at September 10, 2015 12:02 PM (cbfNE)
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Could you please point out exactly where Trump called Fiorina "ugly"?
Because I missed that.
Thank you.
Because I missed that.
Thank you.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 12:02 PM (nqa3o)
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He said that thing about having to take in the Syrials you guys.
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 10, 2015 12:02 PM (zJ9UW)
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TRUMPDAY! Trummpety Trump!
Does he have any scheduled events today?
Does he have any scheduled events today?
Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at September 10, 2015 12:02 PM (WDySP)
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All the world join in. On the Trump train. Off the Trump train. Trump train.
Posted by: OJ at September 10, 2015 12:02 PM (W5DcG)
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I'm sure putting a thin-skinned man in a position to weaponize the IRS and DOJ could never backfire.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 10, 2015 12:03 PM (1RNgT)
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Speaking of Fuckface. Bobby Jindal.
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 10, 2015 12:04 PM (zJ9UW)
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8 already weaponized
Posted by: @votermom at September 10, 2015 12:04 PM (cbfNE)
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Eventually one of the leftists opinion makers will do to Trump what the leftists did to McCarthy, "Have you no shame?"
Despite the fact that Trump is right on some issues, he will be shamed into obscurity just like McCarthy, even though McCarthy was right. The left is very good at manipulating people through their emotions, and one day it will happen.
Have no fear, Trump won't be elected president. Meanwhile, all y'all are being played. Not by Trump, but by the opinion makers.
Despite the fact that Trump is right on some issues, he will be shamed into obscurity just like McCarthy, even though McCarthy was right. The left is very good at manipulating people through their emotions, and one day it will happen.
Have no fear, Trump won't be elected president. Meanwhile, all y'all are being played. Not by Trump, but by the opinion makers.
Posted by: Randull Hultguunson at September 10, 2015 12:04 PM (BzTuX)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2015 12:05 PM (2Ojst)
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I'm more lower-middle class (attitudinally, not income wise). Trump will burn out--Ted is the only answer.
Great Twitter riff btw ace. Bats!!!!
Great Twitter riff btw ace. Bats!!!!
Posted by: Alamo at September 10, 2015 12:05 PM (2XJxO)
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What I am -ideologically committed- to is burning the GOPe to the ground.
If I see something/someone doing that fairly well, it gets my support.
If I see something/someone doing that fairly well, it gets my support.
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at September 10, 2015 12:05 PM (SCcgT)
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Cheezy Poofs.
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 10, 2015 12:05 PM (zJ9UW)
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For a minute I thought this post was about Reagan in 1979.
Posted by: Roy at September 10, 2015 12:05 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 10, 2015 12:05 PM (1RNgT)
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Yeah, the Carly comment was bad in that it seemed gratuitous and mean-spirited.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2015 12:05 PM (NOIQH)
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Wait until he puts his foot in mouth about something the GOP voter cares about. Until then he has full immunity.
Carly-no big deal
John McCain-no big deal
Mom, apple pie-Big Deal
Carly-no big deal
John McCain-no big deal
Mom, apple pie-Big Deal
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 10, 2015 12:05 PM (n6Nt0)
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I'm reposting this from the bottom of the last thread.
518 Trump has taken a section from our playbook:
Overwhelm the news cycle with chaff. LIV's (and news commentators) don't discriminate between signal and noise.
Get folks talking about senseless stuff to keep your name in the newscycle, since most people (i.e. LIV's) do not pay attention to content, just presence.
Be known for a few singular issues that resonate at the "feelz" with most Americans: illegal immigration, jobs, feeling like America is not a "winner" anymore.
Say whatever you want (lie), ignore the complaints, flame your opposition: there will be a new newscycle tomorrow and you can say something outrageous to distract from the previous outrage.
It's a great strategy to get elected, and to get your way!
"Thanks, Obama!!!"
Posted by: Obama strategist at September 10, 2015 12:00 PM (46ftr)
518 Trump has taken a section from our playbook:
Overwhelm the news cycle with chaff. LIV's (and news commentators) don't discriminate between signal and noise.
Get folks talking about senseless stuff to keep your name in the newscycle, since most people (i.e. LIV's) do not pay attention to content, just presence.
Be known for a few singular issues that resonate at the "feelz" with most Americans: illegal immigration, jobs, feeling like America is not a "winner" anymore.
Say whatever you want (lie), ignore the complaints, flame your opposition: there will be a new newscycle tomorrow and you can say something outrageous to distract from the previous outrage.
It's a great strategy to get elected, and to get your way!
"Thanks, Obama!!!"
Posted by: Obama strategist at September 10, 2015 12:00 PM (46ftr)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 10, 2015 12:05 PM (nCKKS)
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All Trump has to do to redeem himself is call Christie "fat"; call Cruz a "dork" and Hillary " cankles" and all will be forgotten.
Posted by: Jim at September 10, 2015 12:05 PM (UklBk)
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Can Trump come on the podcast? Do we still have podcasts?
Posted by: MTF, channeling King Henry II at September 10, 2015 12:06 PM (TxJGV)
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Which, in a nutshell, is why we lose. We're in a knife fight in an alley, and we're using Marquis of Queensbury rules.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 10, 2015 12:01 PM (oKE6c)
Sort of have to agree. The country's swirling down the drain and we're still playing the passive-aggressive small ball game of zomg he/she said something something!!11!Who the hell cares?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 10, 2015 12:01 PM (oKE6c)
Sort of have to agree. The country's swirling down the drain and we're still playing the passive-aggressive small ball game of zomg he/she said something something!!11!Who the hell cares?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 10, 2015 12:06 PM (4ErVI)
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Bobby Jindal. Crossbow or Longbow?
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 10, 2015 12:06 PM (zJ9UW)
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@2
is the knife fight with Carly Fiorina?
is the knife fight with Carly Fiorina?
Posted by: Y-not at September 10, 2015 12:06 PM (gyi7u)
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I love Trump Thursday's
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 10, 2015 12:06 PM (Ii765)
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Trump speaks like a vulgar commoner with a commoners sense of the world.
That's one of the more endearing qualities he has.
There are others.
That's one of the more endearing qualities he has.
There are others.
Posted by: Kreplach at September 10, 2015 12:06 PM (0tvq+)
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Ace, are you feeling this way coz u like Carly?
Versus "women" in general.
Coz u were outraged when Trump attacked Megyn too. Whom we all mostly like.
Versus "women" in general.
Coz u were outraged when Trump attacked Megyn too. Whom we all mostly like.
Posted by: @votermom at September 10, 2015 12:07 PM (cbfNE)
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Posted by: @votermom at September 10, 2015 12:04 PM (cbfNE)
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I think that was exactly his/her point.
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I think that was exactly his/her point.
Posted by: MTF, channeling King Henry II at September 10, 2015 12:07 PM (TxJGV)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 10, 2015 12:07 PM (oVJmc)
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I'm not following as much of the campaign stuff as closely as I used to. I'm just waiting for the....let's just say I'm pretty pessimistic about where things are headed.
I don't where all this is headed, but my hunch is he doesn't get the GOP nomination. I doubt it matters much, really.
The Ovomit camp and their puppet-masters knee-capping Hillarity!-> tells me they have a plan and they're not about to let anything they've done get undone by something silly and stupid like the unwashed voting in elections.
Too many powerful people, here and abroad , will make sure we stay on the road to Oceania.
I don't where all this is headed, but my hunch is he doesn't get the GOP nomination. I doubt it matters much, really.
The Ovomit camp and their puppet-masters knee-capping Hillarity!-> tells me they have a plan and they're not about to let anything they've done get undone by something silly and stupid like the unwashed voting in elections.
Too many powerful people, here and abroad , will make sure we stay on the road to Oceania.
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at September 10, 2015 12:07 PM (7RXcs)
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The smart money was always on him saying something that crossed the line and tanked his polling. I'm just not sure this is the worst he will do...this month.
Posted by: redsweater at September 10, 2015 12:07 PM (v8Svi)
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Ozone baby.
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (zJ9UW)
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People said his ceiling was 15% because of his mouth, people said his ceiling was 20% because of his mouth, people said his ceiling was 25% because of his mouth. Well he is at 32% now, people don't care about his mouth.
Posted by: wrg500 at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (C278+)
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>>>What I am -ideologically committed- to is burning the GOPe to the ground.
If I see something/someone doing that fairly well, it gets my support.
...
I hear you on that, but if he blows up, as he will, he does not destroy the Establishment; rather, he affirms it, he strengthens it.
If I see something/someone doing that fairly well, it gets my support.
...
I hear you on that, but if he blows up, as he will, he does not destroy the Establishment; rather, he affirms it, he strengthens it.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (dciA+)
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I was actually uncomfortable after watching that rally in MS- He sounded like a Bass-o-matic salesman - "If you like your blender, You're gonna love the bass-o-matic!" when he said "you're gonna love a Trump presidency!" I just want someone to stop the bleeding. With a little dignity and hutzpah - not will mustard in the side of their mouth like some carnival barker.
Posted by: Janetoo at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (iZ4xs)
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20 Yeah, the Carly comment was bad in that it seemed gratuitous and mean-spirited.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2015 12:05 PM (NOIQH)
Her comments about Trump weren't? She can dish it, but she can't take it. You don't swing at the Donald and complain when he counterpunches. That's his favorite thing in the world.
20 Yeah, the Carly comment was bad in that it seemed gratuitous and mean-spirited.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2015 12:05 PM (NOIQH)
Her comments about Trump weren't? She can dish it, but she can't take it. You don't swing at the Donald and complain when he counterpunches. That's his favorite thing in the world.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (nCKKS)
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So the Republican field consists of:
(a) A guy who says things I agree with on key issues like amnesty and border control, but who also looses occasional oh-dear socially-unacceptable pearl-clutching fainting-couch smelling-salts insults.
(b) A bunch of other people who I don't agree with on key issues like amnesty and border control.
So I guess it's back to supporting my dream team ticket of Medically Induced Coma and Raccoon With Machine Gun.
I guess I could also settle for a SMOD / Robotic Velociraptor Bellhop combo.
(a) A guy who says things I agree with on key issues like amnesty and border control, but who also looses occasional oh-dear socially-unacceptable pearl-clutching fainting-couch smelling-salts insults.
(b) A bunch of other people who I don't agree with on key issues like amnesty and border control.
So I guess it's back to supporting my dream team ticket of Medically Induced Coma and Raccoon With Machine Gun.
I guess I could also settle for a SMOD / Robotic Velociraptor Bellhop combo.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (noWW6)
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trump on the podcast would be GOLDEN!!!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (0O7c5)
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Whose face are we fucking? I always suspected that most of the commenters here, women and men, wanted to have sex with Ace, but please -- buy him dinner first.
Whose face are we fucking? I always suspected that most of the commenters here, women and men, wanted to have sex with Ace, but please -- buy him dinner first.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (iQIUe)
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He attacked Carson, too.
If he dropped the personal insults, pick up a few advisers on policy issues, and he would win.
But, like Ace says, he just cannot seem to learn. Partly because his poll numbers continue to rise. If they start ticking down, I wonder if he just gets out, or changes, or fights the same until the final knockout.
He attacked Carson, too.
If he dropped the personal insults, pick up a few advisers on policy issues, and he would win.
But, like Ace says, he just cannot seem to learn. Partly because his poll numbers continue to rise. If they start ticking down, I wonder if he just gets out, or changes, or fights the same until the final knockout.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (qCMvj)
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None of the prognostication about Trump has yet come true.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 10, 2015 12:09 PM (oVJmc)
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40 trump on the podcast would be GOLDENYUUUUUGE!!!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (0O7c5)
FTFY
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (0O7c5)
FTFY
Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2015 12:09 PM (2Ojst)
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What I am -ideologically committed- to is burning the GOPe to the ground.
If I see something/someone doing that fairly well, it gets my support.
Ding ding ding!
If I see something/someone doing that fairly well, it gets my support.
Ding ding ding!
Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2015 12:09 PM (qjfjx)
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Obama flipped the bird to both McCain and Hillary. His cult followers openly booed George W. Bush at the inauguration.
Look where that got Obama.
Sorry Ace, respectability is as outdated in modern politics as whistle stop campaigning by train.
Look where that got Obama.
Sorry Ace, respectability is as outdated in modern politics as whistle stop campaigning by train.
Posted by: Raspail at September 10, 2015 12:09 PM (UklBk)
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20 Yeah, the Carly comment was bad in that it seemed gratuitous and mean-spirited.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2015 12:05 PM (NOIQH)
it was, i found megyn repeatedly asking carly about it disturbing though....
Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2015 12:05 PM (NOIQH)
it was, i found megyn repeatedly asking carly about it disturbing though....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 10, 2015 12:09 PM (0O7c5)
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>> All Trump has to do to redeem himself is call Christie "fat"; call Cruz a "dork" and Hillary " cankles" and all will be forgotten.
That's the thing, though, isn't it?
The MSM loves to make fun of Christie's girth along w/all of the comedians masquerading ad journalists, SNL, etc.
But you can't call Carly unattractive.
But you can call Palin Caribou Barbie, slutty, stooped. And you can call Michele Bachman crazy.
So...spare me the "outrage", media.
That's the thing, though, isn't it?
The MSM loves to make fun of Christie's girth along w/all of the comedians masquerading ad journalists, SNL, etc.
But you can't call Carly unattractive.
But you can call Palin Caribou Barbie, slutty, stooped. And you can call Michele Bachman crazy.
So...spare me the "outrage", media.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2015 12:09 PM (NOIQH)
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>>>Ace, are you feeling this way coz u like Carly?
Versus "women" in general.
Coz u were outraged when Trump attacked Megyn too. Whom we all mostly like.
...
it's not even about ME being outraged. it's about Trump simply not comprehending that this is a No-Go Zone for a substantial bloc of the conservative coalition.
Versus "women" in general.
Coz u were outraged when Trump attacked Megyn too. Whom we all mostly like.
...
it's not even about ME being outraged. it's about Trump simply not comprehending that this is a No-Go Zone for a substantial bloc of the conservative coalition.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:09 PM (dciA+)
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PREACH IT BROTHER. P11 most butt hurt.
I think this is what a lot of us, upper middle class RINO Republicans that supported Barry Goldwater, have been pointing out for weeks.
He is a clown. The typical New Yorker, full of shit, I am so cool, that most Southerns know immediately is a dirt bag.
There is a reason for all the fund raising dancing. It weeds out those that can not attract people willing to put their money where their mouth is.
Trump doesn't do that, so he hasn't been weeded out.
He needs to go. The summers over, time to get serious. This was all an ad for his developments, he knows that.
You just don't. Talking to you P11.
I think this is what a lot of us, upper middle class RINO Republicans that supported Barry Goldwater, have been pointing out for weeks.
He is a clown. The typical New Yorker, full of shit, I am so cool, that most Southerns know immediately is a dirt bag.
There is a reason for all the fund raising dancing. It weeds out those that can not attract people willing to put their money where their mouth is.
Trump doesn't do that, so he hasn't been weeded out.
He needs to go. The summers over, time to get serious. This was all an ad for his developments, he knows that.
You just don't. Talking to you P11.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 12:10 PM (0FSuD)
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Public morals and decency matters. Its when those things break down in a society that you invite an overpowering state to keep people in control. Seriously, say the kind of thing Trump says about a woman in front of her husband or boyfriend and see how fast authorities are called in to keep the peace.
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 10, 2015 12:10 PM (UypUQ)
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ace,
how many comments have people on our side made about Hillary and Michelle's looks over the years? Or called Hillary an invalid?
Or attacked other female D's?
I guess my point is that it's not gentlemanly, for sure. But Politics is not really a gentlemans game. And if women are to be involved in politics, they need just a thick of a skin as the men.
That being said, Trump shouldn't be attacking people based on their looks.
with THAT being said, the number one attack from EVERYONE about Trump is his looks (namely, his hair), so I can see how he feels "hey, they attack my hair, I attack their faces. That's fair."
And it is somewhat sexist to say "but carlys just a girl, you can't be mean to girls." Because if that's the case, well, maybe girls shouldn't be involved in big boy things like politics or media or... anything, really.
AND I think Carly can handle it. She's a tough cookie with thick skin. We don't need to white knight for her any more than we need to white knight for Megyn.
how many comments have people on our side made about Hillary and Michelle's looks over the years? Or called Hillary an invalid?
Or attacked other female D's?
I guess my point is that it's not gentlemanly, for sure. But Politics is not really a gentlemans game. And if women are to be involved in politics, they need just a thick of a skin as the men.
That being said, Trump shouldn't be attacking people based on their looks.
with THAT being said, the number one attack from EVERYONE about Trump is his looks (namely, his hair), so I can see how he feels "hey, they attack my hair, I attack their faces. That's fair."
And it is somewhat sexist to say "but carlys just a girl, you can't be mean to girls." Because if that's the case, well, maybe girls shouldn't be involved in big boy things like politics or media or... anything, really.
AND I think Carly can handle it. She's a tough cookie with thick skin. We don't need to white knight for her any more than we need to white knight for Megyn.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 10, 2015 12:10 PM (AkOaV)
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What I am -ideologically committed- to is burning the GOPe to the ground.
What in Trumps entire history leads you to believe he shares your commitment? Other than his support for democrats, of course.
What in Trumps entire history leads you to believe he shares your commitment? Other than his support for democrats, of course.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 10, 2015 12:10 PM (1RNgT)
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I already wrote off the USA anyway.
I wasnt planning on voting anymore, anyway.
And then Donald Trump came along...carrying pitchforks and torches.
And I said...I'M IN.
I already wrote off the USA anyway.
I wasnt planning on voting anymore, anyway.
And then Donald Trump came along...carrying pitchforks and torches.
And I said...I'M IN.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2015 12:10 PM (JPBdn)
Posted by: Sarah Palin at September 10, 2015 12:10 PM (QRpul)
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Her comments about Trump weren't? She can dish it, but she can't take it. You don't swing at the Donald and complain when he counterpunches. That's his favorite thing in the world.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (nCKKS)
oh, was this a defense attack like he did to (disgusting) Megyn?
I've been out of the loop... guess I need to do some browsing.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (nCKKS)
oh, was this a defense attack like he did to (disgusting) Megyn?
I've been out of the loop... guess I need to do some browsing.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:11 PM (qCMvj)
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37 I thought the rally was in Alabama.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 10, 2015 12:11 PM (nCKKS)
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The problem right now for the GOP is that the GOP isn't ballsy enough to cast an infiltrator out of the republican primary. This is going to get nasty and at the same time, funny as hell.
Posted by: Fritz at September 10, 2015 12:11 PM (UzPAd)
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highly-committed partisans who are intensely in favor of Trump
Posted by: Ace at 12:01 PM
That is a very wide net you are casting. This (ace.mu.nu) is pretty much my go-to place for political commentary, so you should have a good idea of what the source of my information looks like, but I have yet to see anyone who fits that description for any reason other than they want to bring down the Establishment. In fact, if you replaced the word "Trump" with "bringing down the establishment" your sentence would be more accurate. Trump is a tool, and people would drop him in favor of a better tool as easily as thy would drop one wrench and pick up another. The catch is, the other tool is actually gonna have to be better.
Posted by: Ace at 12:01 PM
That is a very wide net you are casting. This (ace.mu.nu) is pretty much my go-to place for political commentary, so you should have a good idea of what the source of my information looks like, but I have yet to see anyone who fits that description for any reason other than they want to bring down the Establishment. In fact, if you replaced the word "Trump" with "bringing down the establishment" your sentence would be more accurate. Trump is a tool, and people would drop him in favor of a better tool as easily as thy would drop one wrench and pick up another. The catch is, the other tool is actually gonna have to be better.
Posted by: Sambo at September 10, 2015 12:11 PM (9UV3C)
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Whether or not Trump thinks that upper middle class suburban Republicans are silly or not, whether or not he thinks they're "losers" or not for owning only two cars, he will need that one third of the party that is currently dead-set against him.
I would say that's also a problem the other way. They've spent the past 5 years shitting on conservatives because "who else are you stupid bible thumpers going to vote for?" Now I think you ace understand the problem with that ace. But those in D.C. do not. And a lot of those writing article do not either.
I would say that's also a problem the other way. They've spent the past 5 years shitting on conservatives because "who else are you stupid bible thumpers going to vote for?" Now I think you ace understand the problem with that ace. But those in D.C. do not. And a lot of those writing article do not either.
Posted by: buzzion at September 10, 2015 12:11 PM (zt+N6)
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Very salient points, Ace.
I'm going to admit, when I seized on Trump as Destroyer of GOPedumb, there wasn't a hint that he could actually go all the way.
What's happened since sorta took me by surprise.
The problem is, I have a serious dearth of superior options.
I'm going to admit, when I seized on Trump as Destroyer of GOPedumb, there wasn't a hint that he could actually go all the way.
What's happened since sorta took me by surprise.
The problem is, I have a serious dearth of superior options.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 10, 2015 12:11 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: Meremortal at September 10, 2015 12:11 PM (1Y+hH)
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>>it's not even about ME being outraged. it's about Trump simply not comprehending that this is a No-Go Zone for a substantial bloc of the conservative coalition.
Yep.
Yep.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2015 12:11 PM (NOIQH)
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"Gomer" has been banned.
Yeah I don't dig the white supremacist codeword "cuck."
I have a feeling Gomer has little to contribute but that one-word insult.
Yeah I don't dig the white supremacist codeword "cuck."
I have a feeling Gomer has little to contribute but that one-word insult.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:11 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2015 12:11 PM (qjfjx)
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Someone with "Tech Ability" than I, also being at work. The Clip of John Goodman from "the Gambler", where he explains the value of being up 2.5 million. And what your attitude towards others is. That's Trump! Also it has been a strong part of America's attitude towards the rest of the world, as he states.
Posted by: MOSAD at September 10, 2015 12:11 PM (LTquJ)
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Do you want Trump or Sanders/Biden/Clinton/O'Malley?
Take your pick a$$holes. I'm sick of this crap.
Take your pick a$$holes. I'm sick of this crap.
Posted by: Fred at September 10, 2015 12:11 PM (cy2Kg)
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#20
So...stray voltage?
So...stray voltage?
Posted by: OldDominionMom at September 10, 2015 12:12 PM (GzDYP)
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2015 12:12 PM (JPBdn)
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The best analogy i've heard about Trump is that he is your HOT partner, you want to be seen with the HOTTIE in public, but you know down deep the HOTTIE will embarrass you and hurt you.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 10, 2015 12:12 PM (n6Nt0)
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51 Public morals and decency matters. Its when those things break down in a society that you invite an overpowering state to keep people in control. Seriously, say the kind of thing Trump says about a woman in front of her husband or boyfriend and see how fast authorities are called in to keep the peace.
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 10, 2015 12:10 PM (UypUQ)
So calling me a "terrorist" and a "hostage taker" because I supported a government shut down is decent?
How about "hobbit" or "wacko bird"?
Or how about saying I'm making common cause with Iranian "hard liners"?
These things only seem to go one way.
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 10, 2015 12:10 PM (UypUQ)
So calling me a "terrorist" and a "hostage taker" because I supported a government shut down is decent?
How about "hobbit" or "wacko bird"?
Or how about saying I'm making common cause with Iranian "hard liners"?
These things only seem to go one way.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 10, 2015 12:12 PM (AkOaV)
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I know it seems to matter a whole lot to people who don't want to see anyone do what Trump is doing to all the candidates.
Therefore all criticism has a taint of non objectivity and perhaps a smidgen of envy and feeling it's just not fair.
Trump's already actually said a few things about the invasion in Europe and how the US has to take some of them to start putting me off more about him.
But let's recall that there is no upcoming vote not for months yet. Lots of time to shake out all the Clingons and Wannabes and get down to brass tacks.
When that time comes we can start being serious and start to get really disturbed if people aren't paying attention.
Therefore all criticism has a taint of non objectivity and perhaps a smidgen of envy and feeling it's just not fair.
Trump's already actually said a few things about the invasion in Europe and how the US has to take some of them to start putting me off more about him.
But let's recall that there is no upcoming vote not for months yet. Lots of time to shake out all the Clingons and Wannabes and get down to brass tacks.
When that time comes we can start being serious and start to get really disturbed if people aren't paying attention.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 10, 2015 12:12 PM (x3GpS)
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Ace why do you hate America?
I keed, I keed.
You make a good point. But I think the upper middle class Republicans who get their panties in a knot because Donald Trump doesn't have "respectability" woudln't vote for him no matter what. These are Obama / Sanders voters who have to be patted on the head and told they are sweet, special snowflakes by politicians.
I keed, I keed.
You make a good point. But I think the upper middle class Republicans who get their panties in a knot because Donald Trump doesn't have "respectability" woudln't vote for him no matter what. These are Obama / Sanders voters who have to be patted on the head and told they are sweet, special snowflakes by politicians.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 10, 2015 12:12 PM (0LHZx)
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What in Trumps entire history leads you to believe he shares your commitment?
It doesn't matter if he is or not. He's been a wonderful catalyst just by being himself, and the GOPe has been more than happy to combust as a result.
It doesn't matter if he is or not. He's been a wonderful catalyst just by being himself, and the GOPe has been more than happy to combust as a result.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 10, 2015 12:13 PM (9krrF)
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Her comments about Trump weren't? She can dish it, but she can't take it.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (nCKKS)
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What comments upset you so much? Asking seriously, because I have no idea.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (nCKKS)
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What comments upset you so much? Asking seriously, because I have no idea.
Posted by: MTF, channeling King Henry II at September 10, 2015 12:13 PM (TxJGV)
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56 Pretty much. The establishment keeps running the same plays, and it doesn't faze Trump.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 10, 2015 12:13 PM (nCKKS)
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Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 10, 2015 12:13 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 10, 2015 12:13 PM (kff5f)
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>>>This whole PC thing is more insidious than we realized.
"a *decent respect to the opinions of mankind* requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation..."
-- the writers of the Declaration of Independence, a bunch of PC faggits
"a *decent respect to the opinions of mankind* requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation..."
-- the writers of the Declaration of Independence, a bunch of PC faggits
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:13 PM (dciA+)
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Respectability, obviously, grants you some respect; you behave properly, according to the code of the class, and therefore are considered a member in good standing of that class.
The Ruling Class's behavior is never acknowledging reality and calling those who do "whacko birds." Then saying one thing to get elected and doing the exact opposite once safely in orifice (See Dondi).
At least with crassness, I get some reality. I'll take crass over deceit any day.
The Ruling Class's behavior is never acknowledging reality and calling those who do "whacko birds." Then saying one thing to get elected and doing the exact opposite once safely in orifice (See Dondi).
At least with crassness, I get some reality. I'll take crass over deceit any day.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 10, 2015 12:13 PM (LUgeY)
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It's better to burn out than to fade away. Hey hey my my.
Posted by: The Jackhole at September 10, 2015 12:13 PM (13Al/)
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how many comments have people on our side made about Hillary and Michelle's looks over the years? Or called Hillary an invalid?
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How many of us are running as the Republican candidate for the United States of America? How many of us said those things to the media who would repeat it to their faces? Anonymous name calling on the internet is one thing (and fun!); essentially calling a woman ugly to her face is a completely different, disgusting animal.
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How many of us are running as the Republican candidate for the United States of America? How many of us said those things to the media who would repeat it to their faces? Anonymous name calling on the internet is one thing (and fun!); essentially calling a woman ugly to her face is a completely different, disgusting animal.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 10, 2015 12:14 PM (VAsIq)
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Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:09 PM (dciA+)
I think Trump is calculating that the rage wave will overpower any feelings of that sort. In this cycle, he's playing the "F all things" cat and Fiorina just happens to be one of those things getting batted away.
I think Trump is calculating that the rage wave will overpower any feelings of that sort. In this cycle, he's playing the "F all things" cat and Fiorina just happens to be one of those things getting batted away.
Posted by: @votermom at September 10, 2015 12:14 PM (cbfNE)
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Living in SoCal I have no say in any outcome at the national election. I wouldn't even be paying much attention this cycle normally. But this election is the most entertaining of my lifetime if nothing else.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 10, 2015 12:14 PM (Ii765)
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As a lifetime republican,....I say.....as long as Trump blows the entire republican party into one million unrecognizable pieces.....I'm on the train....because I'm done....fucking done with the republicans we put into washington
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at September 10, 2015 12:14 PM (uJK1E)
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Former Hillary '08 campaigner here. Leaned lesson about true feminism - a lot of us blue dog Democrat women/Independents did that year and we all jumped - Went to Palin, not McCain. We went Tea party in 09. We are still here. Love Cruz, Don't mind Trump or his honesty toward men or women. Protest yesterday with Palin and Cruz show he can get his hands dirty with us lower middle class, yet we know how he lives in his gold Trump tower. Just my 2 cents.
Posted by: Jenny at September 10, 2015 12:14 PM (hFSx1)
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Her comments about Trump weren't? She can dish it, but she can't take it.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (nCKKS)
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What comments upset you so much? Asking seriously, because I have no idea.
Posted by: MTF, channeling King Henry II at September 10, 2015 12:13 PM (TxJGV)
same
Did Carly personally attack Trump? I didn't hear it.
Jindal sure did, lol.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (nCKKS)
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What comments upset you so much? Asking seriously, because I have no idea.
Posted by: MTF, channeling King Henry II at September 10, 2015 12:13 PM (TxJGV)
same
Did Carly personally attack Trump? I didn't hear it.
Jindal sure did, lol.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:14 PM (qCMvj)
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Beep. Beep.
Posted by: Hillary at September 10, 2015 12:15 PM (zJ9UW)
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>>>You make a good point. But I think the upper middle class Republicans who get their panties in a knot because Donald Trump doesn't have "respectability" woudln't vote for him no matter what.
well if one-third of the republican coalition is lost, that's a problem, isn't it?
It *could* be that Trump will pull over democrats and non-voters to make up the gap -- but I'm very skeptical of that.
And besides, even our coalition, intact, LOSES presidential elections.
We need our coalition PLUS new voters. Losing one third of it makes it more or less impossible to win an election.
well if one-third of the republican coalition is lost, that's a problem, isn't it?
It *could* be that Trump will pull over democrats and non-voters to make up the gap -- but I'm very skeptical of that.
And besides, even our coalition, intact, LOSES presidential elections.
We need our coalition PLUS new voters. Losing one third of it makes it more or less impossible to win an election.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:15 PM (dciA+)
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This is one reason I've never been comfortable talking trash about Michelle Obama. It's not "our sort don't" but more, "Son, I hear you talk that way about any woman again I'll take a switch to you."
Also, Carly responded in nearly perfect fashion, which was to barely note Trump's comments. Anybody claiming she's playing victim is FoS.
Also, Carly responded in nearly perfect fashion, which was to barely note Trump's comments. Anybody claiming she's playing victim is FoS.
Posted by: spongeworthy at September 10, 2015 12:15 PM (aahfe)
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2015 12:15 PM (JPBdn)
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>>> There is a notion of Middle Class Respectability.
Or as it is put in My Fair Lady, middle class morality. which currently says that attacking a lady just over her looks is punching down. Add to that the lady is behind him in the polls, and it is really punching down. What is there to be gained?
Trump cannot even master the basics of the Obama candidacy 101: just look and sound presidential and you are halfway there.
Trump needs to work on his long game; he cannot pull this crap if Hillary! is the dem nominee. He will get war on wimmenized. Maybe better to get it out of his system now, in the primary, but he is a ticking time bomb of gaucheness, it will keep happening.
Or as it is put in My Fair Lady, middle class morality. which currently says that attacking a lady just over her looks is punching down. Add to that the lady is behind him in the polls, and it is really punching down. What is there to be gained?
Trump cannot even master the basics of the Obama candidacy 101: just look and sound presidential and you are halfway there.
Trump needs to work on his long game; he cannot pull this crap if Hillary! is the dem nominee. He will get war on wimmenized. Maybe better to get it out of his system now, in the primary, but he is a ticking time bomb of gaucheness, it will keep happening.
Posted by: LizLem at September 10, 2015 12:15 PM (hvf9s)
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....... The catch is, the other tool is actually gonna have to be better.
Posted by: Sambo at September 10, 2015 12:11 PM (9UV3C
You are spot on. Look at the top 3 GOP candidates at the moment. All are non-politicians.
Sounds like Jindahl will go the way of Rick Perry.
Posted by: Sambo at September 10, 2015 12:11 PM (9UV3C
You are spot on. Look at the top 3 GOP candidates at the moment. All are non-politicians.
Sounds like Jindahl will go the way of Rick Perry.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 10, 2015 12:15 PM (n6Nt0)
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I think the "Middle Class Respectability" angle worksif there's someone else that the middle class is willing to believe, or suspend disbelief, is respectable.
I'm probably wrong, but I feel like we're past the point where the public is generally willing to grant politicians that supposed respectability.
I'm probably wrong, but I feel like we're past the point where the public is generally willing to grant politicians that supposed respectability.
Posted by: f2000 at September 10, 2015 12:16 PM (5xwgn)
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BTW, He appears to have a "women" problem only because most everyone else gives them special status and don't go after them as quick and as nasty as they would a man.
Trump stands out because he's treating the women equally.
And all the white knights don't like that.
Trump stands out because he's treating the women equally.
And all the white knights don't like that.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 10, 2015 12:16 PM (x3GpS)
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But the downside of his contempt for respectability is that he will obliviously trample things that are very important to the people whose support he will ultimately need, if he wants to do more than blow hot air.
Posted by: Ace at 12:01 PM
I suspect this matters to society a lot less than you or I think. A mistake we often make is that since something makes sense to us in the way we make decisions, we assume that everyone else arrives at conclusions the same way, or values the same things. That is not true. You should ask yourself, "How can someone so crass, with so little regard for the common sensibilities of others, have become so successful?" I think it's because there are rules to human interaction that you (and I) are not aware of.
Posted by: Ace at 12:01 PM
I suspect this matters to society a lot less than you or I think. A mistake we often make is that since something makes sense to us in the way we make decisions, we assume that everyone else arrives at conclusions the same way, or values the same things. That is not true. You should ask yourself, "How can someone so crass, with so little regard for the common sensibilities of others, have become so successful?" I think it's because there are rules to human interaction that you (and I) are not aware of.
Posted by: Sambo at September 10, 2015 12:16 PM (9UV3C)
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Carly: "Trump is not a conservative."
Trump: "Carly is stoopid and ugly! Nyah!"
Trump supporters: "That stupid, ugly bitch started it!"
Trump: "Carly is stoopid and ugly! Nyah!"
Trump supporters: "That stupid, ugly bitch started it!"
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 10, 2015 12:16 PM (VAsIq)
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I already wrote off the USA anyway.
I wasnt planning on voting anymore, anyway.
And then Donald Trump came along...carrying pitchforks and torches.
And I said...I'M IN.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2015 12:10 PM (JPBdn)
I agree with all of this. Except I'm saving my pitchforks and torches for a convention of the states. Not really a Trump guy, and am noways convinced he's serious about all of this.
I already wrote off the USA anyway.
I wasnt planning on voting anymore, anyway.
And then Donald Trump came along...carrying pitchforks and torches.
And I said...I'M IN.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2015 12:10 PM (JPBdn)
I agree with all of this. Except I'm saving my pitchforks and torches for a convention of the states. Not really a Trump guy, and am noways convinced he's serious about all of this.
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at September 10, 2015 12:16 PM (7RXcs)
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I have said several times that the bull in a China shop act may seem cool but the bull is indiscriminate, and will likely end up breaking China you like.
The people who are supportive of Trump because he is blowing up GOPe are going to be less supportive of beating up on Fiorina and Carson.
Because they are NOT GOPe.
The people who are supportive of Trump because he is blowing up GOPe are going to be less supportive of beating up on Fiorina and Carson.
Because they are NOT GOPe.
Posted by: blaster at September 10, 2015 12:16 PM (2Ocf1)
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** Ahem **
Posted by: Kim Davis Ugliest County Clerk in America at September 10, 2015 12:16 PM (UklBk)
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Trump is a tool, and people would drop him in favor of a better tool as easily as thy would drop one wrench and pick up another. The catch is, the other tool is actually gonna have to be better.
Trump is a 9/16's wrench. Not a stripped out 1/2" that might do.
Trump is a 9/16's wrench. Not a stripped out 1/2" that might do.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2015 12:16 PM (qjfjx)
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Yeah I don't dig the white supremacist codeword "cuck."
What? never heard that code word. Where does it come from?
What? never heard that code word. Where does it come from?
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 12:17 PM (0FSuD)
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people don't care about his mouth.
Posted by: wrg500 at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (C278+)
Well, I fur shure think its purdy
Posted by: wrg500 at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (C278+)
Well, I fur shure think its purdy
Posted by: Banjo Player at September 10, 2015 12:17 PM (JOG+K)
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Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:13 PM (dciA+)
I'm just noting this seems to be a one-way street, ace.
I'm just noting this seems to be a one-way street, ace.
Posted by: Meremortal at September 10, 2015 12:17 PM (1Y+hH)
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This whole PC thing is more insidious than we realized.
Posted by: Meremortal at September 10, 2015 12:11 PM (1Y+hH)
Will you defend the misogyny found in gansta-rap lyrics? Or are people speaking up against that being too PC?
Posted by: Meremortal at September 10, 2015 12:11 PM (1Y+hH)
Will you defend the misogyny found in gansta-rap lyrics? Or are people speaking up against that being too PC?
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 10, 2015 12:17 PM (UypUQ)
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Nip Sip,
Are you here to Godwin us some more about your theories on how Trump is Hitler reincarnated and has plans to gas Mexicans in boxcars?
Because those are really entertaining.
I especially enjoy the part , here at the new and improved HQ, when you get to call people Nazis, trumptards and Brownshirts while they have to carefully and WITHOUT ANY HINT OF INSULT explain 999 times that Trump is simply retribution for the GOP's colossal failures.
Keep it up. It's enlightening.
Are you here to Godwin us some more about your theories on how Trump is Hitler reincarnated and has plans to gas Mexicans in boxcars?
Because those are really entertaining.
I especially enjoy the part , here at the new and improved HQ, when you get to call people Nazis, trumptards and Brownshirts while they have to carefully and WITHOUT ANY HINT OF INSULT explain 999 times that Trump is simply retribution for the GOP's colossal failures.
Keep it up. It's enlightening.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 12:17 PM (ab6JC)
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"I can't spare this man. He fights."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 10, 2015 12:17 PM (oKE6c)
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Ever wonder why every election cycle the GOPe candidates never talk about eliminating our current tax system, ending our foreign military adventures and securing our National borders?
Ever wonder why Trump running his mouth makes him "seem" like a loser but you know the rest of the bunch "are" losers?
Ever wonder why Hillary never won an Oscar for her role as Nurse Ratched in the Cuckoo Nest movie?
Ever wonder why Trump running his mouth makes him "seem" like a loser but you know the rest of the bunch "are" losers?
Ever wonder why Hillary never won an Oscar for her role as Nurse Ratched in the Cuckoo Nest movie?
Posted by: Zombie Andy Rooney at September 10, 2015 12:17 PM (D0NZx)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 10, 2015 12:17 PM (HSmrB)
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It doesn't matter if he is or not. He's been a wonderful catalyst just by being himself, and the GOPe has been more than happy to combust as a result.
How exactly has the GOPe been set ablaze by his campaign? Based on his actual history, Trump would fit neatly into a system of backroom deals and carefully crafted subsidies and tax incentives. That's kind of his thing - why would he tear it apart?
How exactly has the GOPe been set ablaze by his campaign? Based on his actual history, Trump would fit neatly into a system of backroom deals and carefully crafted subsidies and tax incentives. That's kind of his thing - why would he tear it apart?
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 10, 2015 12:18 PM (1RNgT)
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"unburdened by the Middle Class Respectability code of gallantry towards women" Much like Ace, who when he criticizes a woman in the news, 99% of the time goes for the ugly/old/skank/etc jokes (and we love you for it, Ace! It's funny!) Ashley Judd is puffy. Hillary is old and crippled. Marcotte is a whore bint or whatever. Not saying they don't deserve to be ridiculed, just saying you have a stricter standard for other conservatives than yourself, and you are especially vicious when poking fun at women. You target their feminine attributes particularly. It's anti-gallantry (and we love you for it, Ace! It's hilarious!) I would pay $100 to watch Trump take on those two loudmouthed BLM women who sent Bernie Sanders running with his tail between his legs.
Posted by: gp at September 10, 2015 12:18 PM (mk9aG)
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Ace, you hit the nail on the head.
I deeply dislike (and distrust) Trump, yet admit that I enjoy his middle-finger to the establishment, which is essentially facilitated by his attitude of "F--k respectability, I don't need these clown idiots."
Like most of you here, I know several people (solid movement conservatives) that like Trump, yet a lot of friends of mine detest him. They're mainly from two groups, very partisan conservatives and non-partisan latinos, and they are absolutely appalled by the guy, and would never vote for him in a 1000 years. This is a real problem.
Trump's persuasion skills and appeal are astounding, but we'll see over the next couple months if they're actually super-human. My bet: no.
I deeply dislike (and distrust) Trump, yet admit that I enjoy his middle-finger to the establishment, which is essentially facilitated by his attitude of "F--k respectability, I don't need these clown idiots."
Like most of you here, I know several people (solid movement conservatives) that like Trump, yet a lot of friends of mine detest him. They're mainly from two groups, very partisan conservatives and non-partisan latinos, and they are absolutely appalled by the guy, and would never vote for him in a 1000 years. This is a real problem.
Trump's persuasion skills and appeal are astounding, but we'll see over the next couple months if they're actually super-human. My bet: no.
Posted by: Doug at September 10, 2015 12:18 PM (yNjgJ)
Posted by: Lamar Alexander at September 10, 2015 12:18 PM (oVJmc)
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BTW, He appears to have a "women" problem only because most everyone else gives them special status and don't go after them as quick and as nasty as they would a man.
Trump stands out because he's treating the women equally.
And all the white knights don't like that.
White knighting died when they DEMANDED equality.
Be careful what you wish for.
Trump stands out because he's treating the women equally.
And all the white knights don't like that.
White knighting died when they DEMANDED equality.
Be careful what you wish for.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2015 12:18 PM (qjfjx)
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well if one-third of the republican coalition is lost, that's a problem, isn't it?
Point of order, how does Trump alienating a third of the coalition differ substantially from the GOPe alienating a third of the coalition, other than different segments getting alienated?
Point of order, how does Trump alienating a third of the coalition differ substantially from the GOPe alienating a third of the coalition, other than different segments getting alienated?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 10, 2015 12:18 PM (9krrF)
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To be honest Ace, I don't believe you were ever ON the Trump train. You toyed with boarding a couple times but it was obvious you didn't like the accommodations the trip itself or the destination.
And that's OKAY. (and you don't need me to tell you that.)
And that's OKAY. (and you don't need me to tell you that.)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 10, 2015 12:18 PM (x3GpS)
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I'm more interested in the Vice Presidential candidate.
Cuz Trump is going to do ** something ** which will cause him to quit office. He might get bored, frustrated ... his (alleged) untreated case of third stage syphillis might catch up with him ... impeached ... who knows?
Trump / Walker: 2016
Get a good conservative Speaker of the House in and, when Trump flames out - if he takes Walker with him, we've got ourselves an actual conservative president.
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Cuz Trump is going to do ** something ** which will cause him to quit office. He might get bored, frustrated ... his (alleged) untreated case of third stage syphillis might catch up with him ... impeached ... who knows?
Trump / Walker: 2016
Get a good conservative Speaker of the House in and, when Trump flames out - if he takes Walker with him, we've got ourselves an actual conservative president.
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52 What in Trumps entire history leads you to believe he shares your commitment? Other than his support for democrats, of course.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 10, 2015 12:10 PM (1RNgT)
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This.
There are people who hate the Donor Class around here? Trump is the Donor Class, self described. He literally (thank you Vice Preezy Biden) embodies the donor class, and has shown no inclination to tear apart the GOP until this election. I'm all in favor of mass destruction of GOP politicians and their handmaidens, but I hope people bear in mind Trump is a means to an end and not the solution itself.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 10, 2015 12:10 PM (1RNgT)
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This.
There are people who hate the Donor Class around here? Trump is the Donor Class, self described. He literally (thank you Vice Preezy Biden) embodies the donor class, and has shown no inclination to tear apart the GOP until this election. I'm all in favor of mass destruction of GOP politicians and their handmaidens, but I hope people bear in mind Trump is a means to an end and not the solution itself.
Posted by: MTF, channeling King Henry II at September 10, 2015 12:19 PM (TxJGV)
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> "And most people who are ideologically committed to him will blow this off."
Fair enough point. But what I'm going to do is just sit back and see where this goes. Up to now, the conventional wisdom on Republicans is if they are caught saying a bad thing, they implode. The go poof and vanish in a cloud of dust. The conventional wisdom remains that Romney was sunk by the 47% comment. But what happens if that doesn't happen in this case?
It was a crude putdown. It shows some bad judgment. But will enough people look at it and decide that it's over the line? And if so, why? Is an offhand, stupid comment in private conversation enough to eliminate someone from contention for good? And if it is, how do we apply that rule going forward?
It's immature to wish for the perfect candidate. Every mature person knows that we all have to make compromises. Everyone has a line, a line they won't cross.
Fair enough point. But what I'm going to do is just sit back and see where this goes. Up to now, the conventional wisdom on Republicans is if they are caught saying a bad thing, they implode. The go poof and vanish in a cloud of dust. The conventional wisdom remains that Romney was sunk by the 47% comment. But what happens if that doesn't happen in this case?
It was a crude putdown. It shows some bad judgment. But will enough people look at it and decide that it's over the line? And if so, why? Is an offhand, stupid comment in private conversation enough to eliminate someone from contention for good? And if it is, how do we apply that rule going forward?
It's immature to wish for the perfect candidate. Every mature person knows that we all have to make compromises. Everyone has a line, a line they won't cross.
Posted by: Brewdog at September 10, 2015 12:19 PM (ZgUuK)
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I saw Luxurious Classy Dick open for Revolting Cocks at the Silverdome in '96
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at September 10, 2015 12:19 PM (BrQrN)
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Ace has a point about respectability... but its a very generational thing.
I have not talked to anyone in my Mom's age group (86) who likes Trump at all. They dismiss him immediately... he is brash, and not fit for polite company, and so they will not support him.
I'm 56... and I have watched respectability become Political Correctness.... it is the exact same social force... where if you don't act correctly, say the correct things, then you will be outcast from polite society.
And truthfully... many of us don't really care about which artificial standard is being forced upon us.... we see it as an artificial standard.... and no longer care....
Where the younger generation, who were brought up in an era of political correctness will fall, I don't know...
I have not talked to anyone in my Mom's age group (86) who likes Trump at all. They dismiss him immediately... he is brash, and not fit for polite company, and so they will not support him.
I'm 56... and I have watched respectability become Political Correctness.... it is the exact same social force... where if you don't act correctly, say the correct things, then you will be outcast from polite society.
And truthfully... many of us don't really care about which artificial standard is being forced upon us.... we see it as an artificial standard.... and no longer care....
Where the younger generation, who were brought up in an era of political correctness will fall, I don't know...
Posted by: BB Wolf at September 10, 2015 12:19 PM (qh617)
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a No-Go Zone for a substantial bloc of the conservative coalition.
When the GOPe and their scribblers rose up as one and started calling Trump and anyone thinking of voting for him racist White nationalist nativist crypto-nazis, that took the Permissive Action Links off political discourse for this go round.
a No-Go Zone for a substantial bloc of the conservative coalition.
When the GOPe and their scribblers rose up as one and started calling Trump and anyone thinking of voting for him racist White nationalist nativist crypto-nazis, that took the Permissive Action Links off political discourse for this go round.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (kdS6q)
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This is pure class crap that only applies to the Country Club or DNC which are both dependent on illegal immigration for their business models. Ace wake up - Trump has opened Pandora's Box of Immigration Anarchy that both parties worked hard to ignore for the past 40 years. Both parties fear this issue because it upsets their programmed scripts and programmed slice of the electorate and donor base. This is why Trump and only Trump can restore Immigration Sanity. We have had 40 years of the largest immigration in our history. A time out is way overdue.
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (oDCMR)
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And away we go.
Posted by: joncelli, feeling fresh in Spanish at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (RD7QR)
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A question. What is the most agreegous thing the government does?
Hard choice. Taking your hard earned land has to be one of them.
Eminent domain for a road or power line, I have no problem. For a Casino?
Big problem. Not for Trump
Hard choice. Taking your hard earned land has to be one of them.
Eminent domain for a road or power line, I have no problem. For a Casino?
Big problem. Not for Trump
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (0FSuD)
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well if one-third of the republican coalition is lost, that's a problem, isn't it?
It *could* be that Trump will pull over democrats and non-voters to make up the gap -- but I'm very skeptical of that.
And besides, even our coalition, intact, LOSES presidential elections.
We need our coalition PLUS new voters. Losing one third of it makes it more or less impossible to win an election.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:15 PM (dciA+)
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Yeah but my point is those people aren't part of "our" coalition. They are the "I'm a life long Republican but I am concerned about the radical nature of the GOP" types. Maybe they once voted for a Republican 15 years ago but for all intents and purposes they are Democrats.
If McCain and Romney were too radical for them, then they will never vote GOP. And it's time the super duper smart consultants/advisors realize this fact.
It *could* be that Trump will pull over democrats and non-voters to make up the gap -- but I'm very skeptical of that.
And besides, even our coalition, intact, LOSES presidential elections.
We need our coalition PLUS new voters. Losing one third of it makes it more or less impossible to win an election.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:15 PM (dciA+)
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Yeah but my point is those people aren't part of "our" coalition. They are the "I'm a life long Republican but I am concerned about the radical nature of the GOP" types. Maybe they once voted for a Republican 15 years ago but for all intents and purposes they are Democrats.
If McCain and Romney were too radical for them, then they will never vote GOP. And it's time the super duper smart consultants/advisors realize this fact.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (0LHZx)
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I hear you on that, but if he blows up, as he will,
he does not destroy the Establishment; rather, he affirms it, he
strengthens it.
Posted by: ace
Good point . The GOP still has the power to prevent this. Maybe. If they wanted to. Which they don't. Because stupid party.
he does not destroy the Establishment; rather, he affirms it, he
strengthens it.
Posted by: ace
Good point . The GOP still has the power to prevent this. Maybe. If they wanted to. Which they don't. Because stupid party.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (ab6JC)
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Vulgarity in the defense of liberty is no vice; respectability in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
Posted by: Cicero at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (FohCt)
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>>>Trump stands out because he's treating the women equally.
And all the white knights don't like that.
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good luck with the 51% of voters that are female, and most of whom are not hot enough or young enough for Trump to want to f***.
You know the sort of threads that got the hottest here, in the past? That were so full of anger and hatred I decided to never post one again?
Threads about the sexual desirability of women, generally.
A lot of dudes would take the opportunity to basically say most women were ugly, and a lot of women got pretty upset to be so casually dismissed as having any romantic value.
If you think that looks and attacks on looks don't matter to women, I guess I'd have to ask you why there are so many beauty magazines, why "feminists" write about littlle more than the male gaze and Negative Body Image, and so on and so forth.
The fact that it doesn't matter to you doesn't mean it doesn't matter to others.
And all the white knights don't like that.
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good luck with the 51% of voters that are female, and most of whom are not hot enough or young enough for Trump to want to f***.
You know the sort of threads that got the hottest here, in the past? That were so full of anger and hatred I decided to never post one again?
Threads about the sexual desirability of women, generally.
A lot of dudes would take the opportunity to basically say most women were ugly, and a lot of women got pretty upset to be so casually dismissed as having any romantic value.
If you think that looks and attacks on looks don't matter to women, I guess I'd have to ask you why there are so many beauty magazines, why "feminists" write about littlle more than the male gaze and Negative Body Image, and so on and so forth.
The fact that it doesn't matter to you doesn't mean it doesn't matter to others.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (dciA+)
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Off the Trump train or not, before long we all will be on Hillary!'s Fun Camp boxcars.
Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (ucB75)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (qCMvj)
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Are you here to Godwin us some more about your theories on how Trump is Hitler reincarnated and has plans to gas Mexicans in boxcars?
Because those are really entertaining.
I especially enjoy the part , here at the new and improved HQ, when you get to call people Nazis, trumptards and Brownshirts while they have to carefully and WITHOUT ANY HINT OF INSULT explain 999 times that Trump is simply retribution for the GOP's colossal failures.
Posted by: Mortimer
Supporting Hitler does not make one a Nazi!
Because those are really entertaining.
I especially enjoy the part , here at the new and improved HQ, when you get to call people Nazis, trumptards and Brownshirts while they have to carefully and WITHOUT ANY HINT OF INSULT explain 999 times that Trump is simply retribution for the GOP's colossal failures.
Posted by: Mortimer
Supporting Hitler does not make one a Nazi!
Posted by: FDR (in 1938) at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (VAsIq)
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And I'm pretty sure Biden can out "mean old cunt" Trump.
That shit wouldn't fly against Biden (who, let's face it, is going to be their nominee), so I wouldn't bank on it being his saving grace with the right-leaning LIV's.
That shit wouldn't fly against Biden (who, let's face it, is going to be their nominee), so I wouldn't bank on it being his saving grace with the right-leaning LIV's.
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (kZVsz)
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Ace, you're smarter than this.
People aren't supporting Trump because of things he has said. People are supporting him because of what they think he is.
People don't hate the rich because the rich are evil...
They hate the rich because they are jealous.
And you're only jealous of the people who you truly believe are better than you.
Thus people are going to support Trump because deep down they know he's better than them. No amount of "oh he said something shocking just like the shocking things I believer but supposedly know better than to say." That just makes them envy him even more for being able to say it aloud.
Trump has already won this election.
People aren't supporting Trump because of things he has said. People are supporting him because of what they think he is.
People don't hate the rich because the rich are evil...
They hate the rich because they are jealous.
And you're only jealous of the people who you truly believe are better than you.
Thus people are going to support Trump because deep down they know he's better than them. No amount of "oh he said something shocking just like the shocking things I believer but supposedly know better than to say." That just makes them envy him even more for being able to say it aloud.
Trump has already won this election.
Posted by: Rory, Bringer of Doubt at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (IL9gH)
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Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 10, 2015 12:14 PM (VAsIq)
I just think this is one of those issues -- like ace was talking about the other day -- where everyone gets all outrageousely outraged over nothing for political value.
People who would never in a million years vote for Trump are saying, "golly gee! This is the last straw! No one could support trump after he made fun of a girl like that! Just a poor defenseless woman. How horrific."
It's dishonest.
That being said, I avoid making fun of Hillary and Michelle and Pelosi's (and others) looks because I'm a chauvinistic pig who was taught by my father to never make fun of a womans looks, or ask her age or weight, or hit a girl or whatever.
BUT in a world of equality between the sexes, I don't see how Carly or anyone else can comment on Trumps looks (his hair) without a problem, but if he turns around and does the same then it's sexist. It can't go both ways.
I just think this is one of those issues -- like ace was talking about the other day -- where everyone gets all outrageousely outraged over nothing for political value.
People who would never in a million years vote for Trump are saying, "golly gee! This is the last straw! No one could support trump after he made fun of a girl like that! Just a poor defenseless woman. How horrific."
It's dishonest.
That being said, I avoid making fun of Hillary and Michelle and Pelosi's (and others) looks because I'm a chauvinistic pig who was taught by my father to never make fun of a womans looks, or ask her age or weight, or hit a girl or whatever.
BUT in a world of equality between the sexes, I don't see how Carly or anyone else can comment on Trumps looks (his hair) without a problem, but if he turns around and does the same then it's sexist. It can't go both ways.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (AkOaV)
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"the bull is indiscriminate, and will likely end up breaking China you like"
Didn't mythbusters test this? I think they found the bull was shockingly adept at not breaking china at all.
Didn't mythbusters test this? I think they found the bull was shockingly adept at not breaking china at all.
Posted by: f2000 at September 10, 2015 12:21 PM (5xwgn)
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Fair points all, ace.
So who would you pick?
Seriously, at this point there are a dearth of options. I don't think this will derail Trump as you think it will. Trump being Trump is part of the price of burning down the DOPe.
Do I *like* that Trump is likely a misogynist? No.
Does it make me support him any less for President? No.
Here's why - and you can call it ideological commitment if you want, though I'd dump Trump for someone who looked capable of what he seems capable in a minute - Donald Trump is the candidate most likely to absolutely destroy the current power structure of the Republican Party, and I believe that is a vital first step to saving our Republic (if, indeed, our Republic can be saved- a matter on which I have my doubts).
We have at least a couple of people saying, in the previous thread, that Trump will not be the nominee *even if he wins the primaries.* Think about that- the DOPe would (under this theory, and while I don't actively believe it, it wouldn't shock me to discover it to be true) rather destroy itself by completely ignoring the majority of its primary voters than accept Donald Trump.
The fact that they won't do the same to anyone else tells me that the DOPe believes they can come to an accommodation with anyone else- and that is simply not acceptable. Any accommodation with Yertle/Boehner/Preibus means selling me out, yet again. Any compromise between the candidate and that wing of the party tells me, yet again, that I'm just expected to "vote, and then shut up."
Well, f*ck that.
I don't support Trump qua Trump. I support Trump because f*ck John Boehner, Mitch McConnel, and Rince Priebus to God-damn f*cking hell.
So who would you pick?
Seriously, at this point there are a dearth of options. I don't think this will derail Trump as you think it will. Trump being Trump is part of the price of burning down the DOPe.
Do I *like* that Trump is likely a misogynist? No.
Does it make me support him any less for President? No.
Here's why - and you can call it ideological commitment if you want, though I'd dump Trump for someone who looked capable of what he seems capable in a minute - Donald Trump is the candidate most likely to absolutely destroy the current power structure of the Republican Party, and I believe that is a vital first step to saving our Republic (if, indeed, our Republic can be saved- a matter on which I have my doubts).
We have at least a couple of people saying, in the previous thread, that Trump will not be the nominee *even if he wins the primaries.* Think about that- the DOPe would (under this theory, and while I don't actively believe it, it wouldn't shock me to discover it to be true) rather destroy itself by completely ignoring the majority of its primary voters than accept Donald Trump.
The fact that they won't do the same to anyone else tells me that the DOPe believes they can come to an accommodation with anyone else- and that is simply not acceptable. Any accommodation with Yertle/Boehner/Preibus means selling me out, yet again. Any compromise between the candidate and that wing of the party tells me, yet again, that I'm just expected to "vote, and then shut up."
Well, f*ck that.
I don't support Trump qua Trump. I support Trump because f*ck John Boehner, Mitch McConnel, and Rince Priebus to God-damn f*cking hell.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 10, 2015 12:21 PM (kff5f)
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112 Trump is a 9/16's wrench. Not a stripped out 1/2" that might do.
How about a 14mm?
Posted by: Lamar Alexander at September 10, 2015 12:18 P
No math, especially the God Damn Metric Bull Shit
112 Trump is a 9/16's wrench. Not a stripped out 1/2" that might do.
How about a 14mm?
Posted by: Lamar Alexander at September 10, 2015 12:18 P
No math, especially the God Damn Metric Bull Shit
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 10, 2015 12:21 PM (n6Nt0)
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I don't necessarily disagree that Trump is a loudmouth, rather tactless, and so will alienate people to whom "MIddle Class Respectability" is important.
Mitt Romney was very respectable. That didn't work out very well for him, us, or the country.
Mitt Romney was very respectable. That didn't work out very well for him, us, or the country.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 10, 2015 12:21 PM (/Ho8c)
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These unforced errors bother me. If he had taken Fiorina on about her tenure at HP and her positions on policy that is fair game. She is a big girl and can handle herself. But to attack her looks is sophomoric and opens him up to ridicule that he didn't have to incite.
Is he going to call Merkel a fat slob? Stupid.
I want to like Trump because he is sticking it hard to the establishment GOP but this kind of shit makes me mad.
Is he going to call Merkel a fat slob? Stupid.
I want to like Trump because he is sticking it hard to the establishment GOP but this kind of shit makes me mad.
Posted by: Cheri at September 10, 2015 12:21 PM (oiNtH)
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74 Her comments about Trump weren't? She can dish it, but she can't take it.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (nCKKS)
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What comments upset you so much? Asking seriously, because I have no idea.
Posted by: MTF, channeling King Henry II at September 10, 2015 12:13 PM (TxJGV)
None of them. I just watched the old Comedy Central roast of Donald last night. Everyone talks about what a narcissist he supposedly is, but unlike Obama, he can laugh at himself.
I thought it was incredible when he pulled an audience member from a rally to tug on his hair and prove it wasn't a toupee. It reminded me of little Natalie Wood tugging Kris Kringle's beard in Macy's in Miracle On 34th Street.
Trump is that kind of shit disturber that Americans have cheered for well before reality TV. He is not a professional politician, so the usual rules don't apply to him. People are so tired of politicians that there is legitimate support for an outsider, and Trump's support is different from someone like Carson or Fiorina, because he plays the media while the rest are playing catchup, prcisely what Fiorina, Carson and Jindal are doing this week, desperately hoping to score points.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 10, 2015 12:08 PM (nCKKS)
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What comments upset you so much? Asking seriously, because I have no idea.
Posted by: MTF, channeling King Henry II at September 10, 2015 12:13 PM (TxJGV)
None of them. I just watched the old Comedy Central roast of Donald last night. Everyone talks about what a narcissist he supposedly is, but unlike Obama, he can laugh at himself.
I thought it was incredible when he pulled an audience member from a rally to tug on his hair and prove it wasn't a toupee. It reminded me of little Natalie Wood tugging Kris Kringle's beard in Macy's in Miracle On 34th Street.
Trump is that kind of shit disturber that Americans have cheered for well before reality TV. He is not a professional politician, so the usual rules don't apply to him. People are so tired of politicians that there is legitimate support for an outsider, and Trump's support is different from someone like Carson or Fiorina, because he plays the media while the rest are playing catchup, prcisely what Fiorina, Carson and Jindal are doing this week, desperately hoping to score points.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 10, 2015 12:21 PM (nCKKS)
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There are some here who won't vote for any Republican but Trump. There's a name for such people. Those people are called Democrats.
You can't get behind Ted M*otherf*cking Cruz, because he's too "establishment"? OK. Get lost. Go vote for Bernie Sanders. If you seriously want to usher in The Burning Times, that's your man -- he'll bring on armageddon months before President Trump would have.
You can't get behind Ted M*otherf*cking Cruz, because he's too "establishment"? OK. Get lost. Go vote for Bernie Sanders. If you seriously want to usher in The Burning Times, that's your man -- he'll bring on armageddon months before President Trump would have.
Posted by: Pastafarian at September 10, 2015 12:21 PM (LqrRo)
Posted by: Meremortal at September 10, 2015 12:22 PM (1Y+hH)
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If trump were treating the women equally he would insult Lindsay Graham.
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 10, 2015 12:22 PM (zJ9UW)
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And this early in the process, I look at the primaries like a trip to Disneyland: I'll wait in line for a ride I hear good things about, and ride it twice if it was really good. But there's no way I'm going to ride the same damned thing from opening to closing.
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 10, 2015 12:22 PM (kZVsz)
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the "Short-Fingered Vaulgarian" Spy magazine called Trump in 1989
Vanity Fair dug that up as if i was relevant.
Spy magazine and Vanity Fair. Two irrelevant publications
the "Short-Fingered Vaulgarian" Spy magazine called Trump in 1989
Vanity Fair dug that up as if i was relevant.
Spy magazine and Vanity Fair. Two irrelevant publications
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2015 12:22 PM (JPBdn)
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Trump cannot even master the basics of the Obama candidacy 101: just look and sound presidential and you are halfway there.
Posted by: LizLem at September 10, 2015 12:15 PM (hvf9s)
Obama looked and sounded Presidential? How does one flip the bird in a Presidential fashion, pray tell? Is that something you learn on talk shows making fun of the Special Olympics?
Posted by: LizLem at September 10, 2015 12:15 PM (hvf9s)
Obama looked and sounded Presidential? How does one flip the bird in a Presidential fashion, pray tell? Is that something you learn on talk shows making fun of the Special Olympics?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 10, 2015 12:22 PM (oKE6c)
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"It can be put aside by highly-committed partisans who are intensely in favor of Trump..."
Who are these people?
None are here at AoSHQ. All the Trump supporters have said he wasn't their first choice and if it was up to them, they would pick someone different for the front runner.
Only in the warped fucking minds of the elite east coast writers guild is there a mob of hard core Trump voters, roaming the streets of Boston looking for immigrants to beat up.
These writers are so stuck on the idea that they hold some superior type of intelligence and that the sub-level thinkers don't see the things they do.
Apparently, they can't imagine a group of conservatives who are so fed up with no results, crony capitalism and political correctness that someone like Trump appeals to them to lead the way into a better form of politics.
It doesn't matter to them that, if we continue to play by the MSM rules, we will never win because the game is rigged. Those are the rules they've learned and adopted, so anyone operating outside of those parameters is the enemy.
Who are these people?
None are here at AoSHQ. All the Trump supporters have said he wasn't their first choice and if it was up to them, they would pick someone different for the front runner.
Only in the warped fucking minds of the elite east coast writers guild is there a mob of hard core Trump voters, roaming the streets of Boston looking for immigrants to beat up.
These writers are so stuck on the idea that they hold some superior type of intelligence and that the sub-level thinkers don't see the things they do.
Apparently, they can't imagine a group of conservatives who are so fed up with no results, crony capitalism and political correctness that someone like Trump appeals to them to lead the way into a better form of politics.
It doesn't matter to them that, if we continue to play by the MSM rules, we will never win because the game is rigged. Those are the rules they've learned and adopted, so anyone operating outside of those parameters is the enemy.
Posted by: jwest at September 10, 2015 12:22 PM (Zs4uk)
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>>And I'm pretty sure Biden can out "mean old cunt" Trump
Yeah, Biden is a serial groper and regularly inflicts his nekkid body on his female SS agents.
But as always, only the GOP is held responsible for offending women.
Yeah, Biden is a serial groper and regularly inflicts his nekkid body on his female SS agents.
But as always, only the GOP is held responsible for offending women.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2015 12:23 PM (NOIQH)
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So we loose 1/3 of the republicans if it's Trump, or we loose 2/3 of the republicans if it's Bush. Math....what can't it do?????
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at September 10, 2015 12:23 PM (uJK1E)
Posted by: chemjeff - anti-Trump/anti-Jeb/pro-conservative at September 10, 2015 12:23 PM (lVU49)
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Yo!
Posted by: Yo! at September 10, 2015 12:23 PM (GwIKd)
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Point of order, how does Trump alienating a third of the coalition differ substantially from the GOPe alienating a third of the coalition, other than different segments getting alienated?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 10, 2015 12:18 PM (9krrF)
It doesn't. But if the establishment does it it's okay. If we do it, we are bringing the party down. Another commenter here or on the last thread said something about how if the establishment refuses to nominate a grassroots candidate, even though they win the primaries, then they are every bit as much on the let it burn train as the rest of us. And I firmly believe they are.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 10, 2015 12:18 PM (9krrF)
It doesn't. But if the establishment does it it's okay. If we do it, we are bringing the party down. Another commenter here or on the last thread said something about how if the establishment refuses to nominate a grassroots candidate, even though they win the primaries, then they are every bit as much on the let it burn train as the rest of us. And I firmly believe they are.
Posted by: Sambo at September 10, 2015 12:23 PM (9UV3C)
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Any bannings?
Posted by: logprof at September 10, 2015 12:23 PM (vsbNu)
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>>>And truthfully... many of us don't really care about which artificial standard is being forced upon us.... we see it as an artificial standard.... and no longer care....
i totally get that, and I would give Trump props for not just expanding the limits of what HE can say, but what we ALL can say.
But... look... while I don't like political correctness, I'm just not into 69 year old playboy billionaires Rating every women he comes across according to her sexual desirability.
The attacks on Carly for her HP failings were perfectly fair -- if anyone bitches about THAT being sexist, then they're just playing the PC card.
But this incurable habit of informing us all of who he considers good pussy and who is not so good pussy... jesus christ, no candidate that makes voters feel dirty is going to win.
i totally get that, and I would give Trump props for not just expanding the limits of what HE can say, but what we ALL can say.
But... look... while I don't like political correctness, I'm just not into 69 year old playboy billionaires Rating every women he comes across according to her sexual desirability.
The attacks on Carly for her HP failings were perfectly fair -- if anyone bitches about THAT being sexist, then they're just playing the PC card.
But this incurable habit of informing us all of who he considers good pussy and who is not so good pussy... jesus christ, no candidate that makes voters feel dirty is going to win.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:23 PM (dciA+)
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He also called Ben Carson an "okay" doctor. He just doesn't think before he speaks. He's a hothead. I don't dislike him, but I don't really like him either.
Posted by: jewells45 at September 10, 2015 12:23 PM (l/N7H)
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Yes, eventually his mouth will get him in yuuuuuuuge trouble.
Until then, it sure is fun watching people's heads explode.
Until then, it sure is fun watching people's heads explode.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt TrumpProd (tm) at September 10, 2015 12:23 PM (Aivl/)
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I saw Fiorina comment on it and Meh, she didn't seem fazed. She should havbe said " does oompa loompa mean anything to you Donald? Just kidding I thought she handled it well.
Posted by: The Jackhole at September 10, 2015 12:23 PM (13Al/)
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Ace, what about the idea (maybe via 3rd party) that Trump can replace the respectable 3rd of Rs with Reagan/populist Ds? With 50% voter participation rate bringing a small number of non voters on board could be enough to swing him. Assuming he has an actual plan.
Posted by: pashmr at September 10, 2015 12:24 PM (3aNC4)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 10, 2015 12:24 PM (HSmrB)
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"Look at that face!"
Four words, and I'm looking hard, but I don't see 'ugly' in there.
Do you go to movies? Are you a movie fan? What is it an actor has to do to bring a character or characterization to life? They have to act, and what does that mean? They have to 'put on a face' that represents an emotion; anger, fear, concern, worry; the list is endless.
"Look at that face." What face does Fiorina present when she is speaking? Look at Ann Coulter. Look at that face. What do you see when you hear her speak?
This looks like another word play by those who seek to shape public opinion by saying that the words Trump said mean something that Trump did not say.
You should see my face. Trust me, you wouldn't like what you see. I can guarantee that.
Four words, and I'm looking hard, but I don't see 'ugly' in there.
Do you go to movies? Are you a movie fan? What is it an actor has to do to bring a character or characterization to life? They have to act, and what does that mean? They have to 'put on a face' that represents an emotion; anger, fear, concern, worry; the list is endless.
"Look at that face." What face does Fiorina present when she is speaking? Look at Ann Coulter. Look at that face. What do you see when you hear her speak?
This looks like another word play by those who seek to shape public opinion by saying that the words Trump said mean something that Trump did not say.
You should see my face. Trust me, you wouldn't like what you see. I can guarantee that.
Posted by: Randull Hultguunson at September 10, 2015 12:24 PM (BzTuX)
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Per zerohedge yesterday, the ratio of job creation in the US between native born Americans and foreigners over the last several years is something like 1 to 5. Over 600,000 native born Americans lost their jobs In AUGUST!!
Trump is the only one even pretending like this is an issue while the voters know it is a mortal threat to their way of life.
What Trump said about Fiorina's looks doesn't matter one spittle fleck to them.
Trump is the only one even pretending like this is an issue while the voters know it is a mortal threat to their way of life.
What Trump said about Fiorina's looks doesn't matter one spittle fleck to them.
Posted by: Raspail at September 10, 2015 12:24 PM (UklBk)
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If Trump had said that Christie was fat, do we get the same reaction?
If Trump had said that Lindsey Graham is a clueless old fart who should get treated for his low-T before he starts to look like Angela Lansbury, in those words, what would the reaction be?
If Trump had said that Lindsey Graham is a clueless old fart who should get treated for his low-T before he starts to look like Angela Lansbury, in those words, what would the reaction be?
Posted by: Brewdog at September 10, 2015 12:24 PM (ZgUuK)
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This Trump fellow just can't seem to leave women alone.
Posted by: Joe Biden at September 10, 2015 12:24 PM (l3vZN)
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re: Side-bar "Everyone wants to be Syrian."
In a nutshell, the perfect locust personification of the pathology of Victimhood.
In a nutshell, the perfect locust personification of the pathology of Victimhood.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 10, 2015 12:24 PM (9tnUZ)
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This is pure class crap that only applies to the Country Club or DNC which are both dependent on illegal immigration for their business models.
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Woo-hoo! I'm "Country Club"! And the choices I make regarding illegal immigration: hire a Mexican to mow my lawn, or put some gas in my car so it can limp to work this week?
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Woo-hoo! I'm "Country Club"! And the choices I make regarding illegal immigration: hire a Mexican to mow my lawn, or put some gas in my car so it can limp to work this week?
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 10, 2015 12:24 PM (VAsIq)
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"You can't get behind Ted M*otherf*cking Cruz, because he's too "establishment"?"
I'm a Cruz guy. But isn't is strange that not only is he the only R not bashing Trump, in fact he gives him praise and appears with him?
I'm a Cruz guy. But isn't is strange that not only is he the only R not bashing Trump, in fact he gives him praise and appears with him?
Posted by: Meremortal at September 10, 2015 12:24 PM (1Y+hH)
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All the words expended on Trump. Amazing.
Posted by: rrpjr at September 10, 2015 12:24 PM (s/yC1)
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What did Trump say about Carson? That's like kicking a puppy, he's been the most nondescript of all of them.
>>> Nip Sip,Are you here to Godwin us some more about your theories on how Trump is Hitler reincarnated and has plans to gas Mexicans in boxcars?
Ooooh, someone's been reading my FB feed!!
I guess they figure since two of his kids converted to Judaism so he can't be a total jooo hater. But surely he wants to round up the Meehicans!
>>> Nip Sip,Are you here to Godwin us some more about your theories on how Trump is Hitler reincarnated and has plans to gas Mexicans in boxcars?
Ooooh, someone's been reading my FB feed!!
I guess they figure since two of his kids converted to Judaism so he can't be a total jooo hater. But surely he wants to round up the Meehicans!Posted by: LizLem at September 10, 2015 12:25 PM (hvf9s)
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>>>Fair points all, ace.
So who would you pick?
...
i'm back to not caring. Trump briefly gave me hope that there was a Magic Button that could fix things, but that was stupid; hope is a toy for foolish children.
So who would you pick?
...
i'm back to not caring. Trump briefly gave me hope that there was a Magic Button that could fix things, but that was stupid; hope is a toy for foolish children.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:25 PM (dciA+)
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Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (dciA+)
and that's a fine, honest position to take.
But that would also get you called a sexist pig if you said it to a millennial woman or really any semi-feminist woman who thinks men and women should be treated exactly the same and that the only difference between men and women is "the plumbing".
Also, the people who engage in these kinds of attacks are almost always women attacking other women.
I don't know. Maybe this will hurt trump among women, but I think he has such a track record of insulting everyone all the time that this is just another "trump being trump" and in a way shows that he's a no bullshit guy who will attack men, women, whites, blacks, gays, straights, whatever all the same. Or maybe not. I don't know.
I would be ready to throw Trump overboard completely if I felt that anyone had learned a lesson or two from him and was ready to be a more ... adult version of him.
I think Cruz may be on the right track, but we'll see.
And RE your post -- it's the inverse for me. The more popular Trump gets, the less I would be willing to support him at all. a "protest candidate" is one thing, but when ti looks like that "protest candidate" could actually win, well...
and that's a fine, honest position to take.
But that would also get you called a sexist pig if you said it to a millennial woman or really any semi-feminist woman who thinks men and women should be treated exactly the same and that the only difference between men and women is "the plumbing".
Also, the people who engage in these kinds of attacks are almost always women attacking other women.
I don't know. Maybe this will hurt trump among women, but I think he has such a track record of insulting everyone all the time that this is just another "trump being trump" and in a way shows that he's a no bullshit guy who will attack men, women, whites, blacks, gays, straights, whatever all the same. Or maybe not. I don't know.
I would be ready to throw Trump overboard completely if I felt that anyone had learned a lesson or two from him and was ready to be a more ... adult version of him.
I think Cruz may be on the right track, but we'll see.
And RE your post -- it's the inverse for me. The more popular Trump gets, the less I would be willing to support him at all. a "protest candidate" is one thing, but when ti looks like that "protest candidate" could actually win, well...
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 10, 2015 12:25 PM (AkOaV)
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I don't support Trump qua Trump. I support Trump because f*ck John Boehner, Mitch McConnel, and Rince Priebus to God-damn f*cking hell.
Whew, that was close to a PFR. Missed it by thatmuch.
And I agree. Also, fvck the left in general.
Whew, that was close to a PFR. Missed it by thatmuch.
And I agree. Also, fvck the left in general.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 10, 2015 12:25 PM (LUgeY)
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>>Is he going to call Merkel a fat slob? Stupid.
Better yet, Merkel's bra size is larger than her IQ. I mean they are yuuuge
Better yet, Merkel's bra size is larger than her IQ. I mean they are yuuuge
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 10, 2015 12:26 PM (n6Nt0)
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Be a billionaire and sleep with this, she is the wife of hedge fund owner, or chew off your arm before she wakes up?
One arm is enough.
http://tinyurl.com/odst3a6
One arm is enough.
http://tinyurl.com/odst3a6
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 12:26 PM (0FSuD)
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"Look at that face!"
Four words, and I'm looking hard, but I don't see 'ugly' in there.
Forget it. He's rolling.
"Look at that face!"
Four words, and I'm looking hard, but I don't see 'ugly' in there.
Forget it. He's rolling.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 12:26 PM (ab6JC)
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Not our sort, dear.
We do not discuss or acknowledge those rough characters who do not bow to our gated community superiority. Brown people are superior because they work for us where those icky bible-reading and gun-carrying cultural Neanderthals might demand representation (how gauche of them). Labor is its own reward and should be performed by properly respectful workers. We must show our condescension by quiet and irrefutable kindness to all who can be bought off as long as they are quiet and respectful.
I DESPISE the GOPe. Just as bad as the social wankers who agitate for another brand of totalitarianism. Down with the bourgeoisie -- of both parties.
We do not discuss or acknowledge those rough characters who do not bow to our gated community superiority. Brown people are superior because they work for us where those icky bible-reading and gun-carrying cultural Neanderthals might demand representation (how gauche of them). Labor is its own reward and should be performed by properly respectful workers. We must show our condescension by quiet and irrefutable kindness to all who can be bought off as long as they are quiet and respectful.
I DESPISE the GOPe. Just as bad as the social wankers who agitate for another brand of totalitarianism. Down with the bourgeoisie -- of both parties.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 10, 2015 12:26 PM (MIKMs)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 10, 2015 12:26 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 10, 2015 12:26 PM (0MJOU)
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It's a thin line between looking like you're countering, and looking like you are thin skinned. Given that these are the candidates that don't have the washington stench on them, it is a harder lift for Trump. He also opened an opportunity for these 2 candidates to exploit. Fiorina in particular has seemed very prepared, so I expect she will take advantage of the opportunity in a way that will help her.
Side note, people that hate Trump get so pissed at people like Ace or Nolte for listening and thinking it over. The irony of all that is that one relatively mild criticism from either of them will do Trump more damage than 1000 shrieking tweets from some of the people that posture as so stridently opposed to Trump. Certainly the influence is still minimal, but there is some level of influence there. Something that calling millions of former voters racist assholes just does not allow for.
Side note, people that hate Trump get so pissed at people like Ace or Nolte for listening and thinking it over. The irony of all that is that one relatively mild criticism from either of them will do Trump more damage than 1000 shrieking tweets from some of the people that posture as so stridently opposed to Trump. Certainly the influence is still minimal, but there is some level of influence there. Something that calling millions of former voters racist assholes just does not allow for.
Posted by: Dave S. at September 10, 2015 12:27 PM (+0uqn)
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If Trump had said that Christie was fat, do we get the same reaction?
If Trump had said that Lindsey Graham is a clueless old fart who should get treated for his low-T before he starts to look like Angela Lansbury, in those words, what would the reaction be?
Posted by: Brewdog
Similar complaints about how he is a classless schlub who doesn't debate on issues (possibly because he doesn't have an actual stance), but rather attacks people personally.
If Trump had said that Lindsey Graham is a clueless old fart who should get treated for his low-T before he starts to look like Angela Lansbury, in those words, what would the reaction be?
Posted by: Brewdog
Similar complaints about how he is a classless schlub who doesn't debate on issues (possibly because he doesn't have an actual stance), but rather attacks people personally.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 10, 2015 12:27 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: rdbrewer at September 10, 2015 12:27 PM (Iyg03)
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Trump will bring back the good pussy.
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 10, 2015 12:27 PM (zJ9UW)
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Posted by: Brewdog at September 10, 2015 12:24 PM (ZgUuK)
To be fair to Christie, that lap band surgery seems to be working well.
He's only "fairly fat" now.
Good for him though.
To be fair to Christie, that lap band surgery seems to be working well.
He's only "fairly fat" now.
Good for him though.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 10, 2015 12:27 PM (AkOaV)
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In 2008 and 2012 we were told the way to win was to be a nice guy, don't say anything controversial, don't insult your opponent, play to the middle.
How'd that work out?
2016 is the George Costanza election. Do the exact opposite of everything you've done.
George: Hi, I'm George, I'm unemployed and I live at home.
Hot Blonde: Well hello, would you like to join me.
We need new George.
How'd that work out?
2016 is the George Costanza election. Do the exact opposite of everything you've done.
George: Hi, I'm George, I'm unemployed and I live at home.
Hot Blonde: Well hello, would you like to join me.
We need new George.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 10, 2015 12:27 PM (0LHZx)
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I'd like to see a poll limited to likely Republican primary voters. Lots of Trump support may be coming from people that won't matter.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 10, 2015 12:27 PM (evdj2)
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Repeating a comment I made on an earlier thread - I don't think Trump brought up Carly's face to be mean. He brought attention to it because it's her weakness.
Voters are very looks oriented. Sympatico faces win over severe faces. Carly is handicapped by her narrow features and near-set eyes.
Note that Trump didn't even call ger ugly, he just mentioned her face and let the listeners make the mental affirmation - "yeah, she looks mean / unattractive / etc."
If Cruz attacked Trump then Trump would probably call attention to his chin.
Voters are very looks oriented. Sympatico faces win over severe faces. Carly is handicapped by her narrow features and near-set eyes.
Note that Trump didn't even call ger ugly, he just mentioned her face and let the listeners make the mental affirmation - "yeah, she looks mean / unattractive / etc."
If Cruz attacked Trump then Trump would probably call attention to his chin.
Posted by: @votermom at September 10, 2015 12:27 PM (cbfNE)
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Meremortal @ 166: No, that's not strange at all. Cruz is a smart guy, a cunning politician.
Posted by: Pastafarian at September 10, 2015 12:27 PM (LqrRo)
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If Trump had said that Lindsey Graham is a clueless old fart who should get treated for his low-T before he starts to look like Angela Lansbury, in those words, what would the reaction be?
A raised glass and "Hear, hear."
A raised glass and "Hear, hear."
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 10, 2015 12:27 PM (LUgeY)
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112 Trump is a 9/16's wrench. Not a stripped out 1/2" that might do.
How about a 14mm?
Posted by: Lamar Alexander at September 10, 2015 12:18 P
No math, especially the God Damn Metric Bull Shit
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There are two types of countries; those on the metric system and those who go to the moon.
112 Trump is a 9/16's wrench. Not a stripped out 1/2" that might do.
How about a 14mm?
Posted by: Lamar Alexander at September 10, 2015 12:18 P
No math, especially the God Damn Metric Bull Shit
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There are two types of countries; those on the metric system and those who go to the moon.
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at September 10, 2015 12:27 PM (oDCMR)
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There is a good chance Trump is Zardoz.
Posted by: The Jackhole at September 10, 2015 12:28 PM (13Al/)
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>>>He also called Ben Carson an "okay" doctor. He just doesn't think before he speaks. He's a hothead. I don't dislike him, but I don't really like him either.
that was dumb, but it's not the same. That's just a dumb insult because it's so hard to find something to object about in Ben Carson.
With Carly Fiorina, he has a bunch of things to complain about -- HP, likely establishment leanings -- but he has to go to his Comfort Zone of pointing out that any woman who is not 21-30 years old with 12% or less bodyfat but D cup tits just isn't really worth taking seriously.
that was dumb, but it's not the same. That's just a dumb insult because it's so hard to find something to object about in Ben Carson.
With Carly Fiorina, he has a bunch of things to complain about -- HP, likely establishment leanings -- but he has to go to his Comfort Zone of pointing out that any woman who is not 21-30 years old with 12% or less bodyfat but D cup tits just isn't really worth taking seriously.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:28 PM (dciA+)
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If trump were treating the women equally he would insult Lindsay Graham.
Posted by: Boss Moss
Oh, what man could ever critique those big doe-like blue eyes and inviting pouting lips....
If trump were treating the women equally he would insult Lindsay Graham.
Posted by: Boss Moss
Oh, what man could ever critique those big doe-like blue eyes and inviting pouting lips....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 10, 2015 12:28 PM (kdS6q)
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But isn't is strange that not only is he the only R not bashing Trump, in fact he gives him praise and appears with him?
Posted by: Meremortal at September 10, 2015 12:24 PM (1Y+hH)
Strange, in some sense comparative I suppose. But it's called being smart. And politicians are't very smart anymore, I guess, or at least not about their own profession. Which I've always found strange. Cruz is simply smart, the smartest among the group, and if Trump does implode, he will inherit the support.
Posted by: Meremortal at September 10, 2015 12:24 PM (1Y+hH)
Strange, in some sense comparative I suppose. But it's called being smart. And politicians are't very smart anymore, I guess, or at least not about their own profession. Which I've always found strange. Cruz is simply smart, the smartest among the group, and if Trump does implode, he will inherit the support.
Posted by: rrpjr at September 10, 2015 12:28 PM (s/yC1)
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If Trump had said that Lindsey Graham is a clueless old fart who should get treated for his low-T before he starts to look like Angela Lansbury, in those words, what would the reaction be?
Posted by: Brewdog at September 10, 2015 12:24
Coffee thru nose I'm guessing
If Trump had said that Lindsey Graham is a clueless old fart who should get treated for his low-T before he starts to look like Angela Lansbury, in those words, what would the reaction be?
Posted by: Brewdog at September 10, 2015 12:24
Coffee thru nose I'm guessing
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 10, 2015 12:28 PM (n6Nt0)
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Gentlemanly Senator Dole, war hero and compassionate conservative Senator McCain, and scholarly and pragmatic Governor Mitt Romney advanced the conservative cause....well, they didn't advance the cause, they fucked up the three elections allowing liberal's to kick their asses because they played nice and praised their opponents stating they would come together and govern with mutual understanding, compassion, and enlightenment.
After taking it up the ass from Clinton and Obama, the republican party still wants to bend over and willingly accept the high hard one. Assholes!
Gentlemanly Senator Dole, war hero and compassionate conservative Senator McCain, and scholarly and pragmatic Governor Mitt Romney advanced the conservative cause....well, they didn't advance the cause, they fucked up the three elections allowing liberal's to kick their asses because they played nice and praised their opponents stating they would come together and govern with mutual understanding, compassion, and enlightenment.
After taking it up the ass from Clinton and Obama, the republican party still wants to bend over and willingly accept the high hard one. Assholes!
Posted by: Doctor Fish at September 10, 2015 12:28 PM (OiFtZ)
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There is nothing gentlemanly or respectable about presidential politics. Nothing. Presidential politics is about wading hip deep in the blood, mud, and shit and throwing haymakers to get the nomination. At the end of the day, all anyone remembers is who won the fight. Not that someone through a sucker punch, or kicked someone in the balls, or gouged his opponent's eyes. Who won? That's what counts. Is Trump ideal? OMG no...far, far from it. But he's exponentially better than any candidate the Dems will throw against him. Trump certainly isn't my first choice for President, but my first choice doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting the nomination. If Trump gets the nomination I'll vote for him.
Posted by: Daywalker at September 10, 2015 12:28 PM (bfpzm)
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>>I'm a Cruz guy. But isn't is strange that not only is he the only R not bashing Trump, in fact he gives him praise and appears with him?
Not at all strange, it's clever.
All of the other GOP candidates who strike at Trump usually look stupid and petty. I imagine Cruz is in it for the Trump supporters who will need someone when Trump (likely) implodes.
Not at all strange, it's clever.
All of the other GOP candidates who strike at Trump usually look stupid and petty. I imagine Cruz is in it for the Trump supporters who will need someone when Trump (likely) implodes.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2015 12:28 PM (NOIQH)
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Remember in 2008 when Obama was making fun of McCain's age and making fun of the fact he didn't even know how to use email? And remember how that cost him a lot of votes?
Good times, good times.
Good times, good times.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 10, 2015 12:29 PM (0LHZx)
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Trump is a 9/16's wrench. Not a stripped out 1/2" that might do.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2015 12:16 PM (qjfjx)
Well, that's kind of my point. It's all relative. If a better fitting wrench comes along, Trump becomes the stripped out 1/2 inch that get's dropped.
Right now I am just happily munching my popcorn watching Trump and enjoying the exploding heads. I think Cruz would be a good president. And I think Cruz and Trump are working together at some level.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2015 12:16 PM (qjfjx)
Well, that's kind of my point. It's all relative. If a better fitting wrench comes along, Trump becomes the stripped out 1/2 inch that get's dropped.
Right now I am just happily munching my popcorn watching Trump and enjoying the exploding heads. I think Cruz would be a good president. And I think Cruz and Trump are working together at some level.
Posted by: Sambo at September 10, 2015 12:29 PM (9UV3C)
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@16 Roy. Right! So last night i was sort of thinking this reminded me of '79-'80 Reagan. E.g. his "evil empire" quote. Which I am embarrassed to say made me absolutely cringe at that time. It sounded so "dumb" (I said I was embarrassed!)
But trashing Carly Fiorina for her looks is not quite the same as calling the evil Soviets evil. is it?
But trashing Carly Fiorina for her looks is not quite the same as calling the evil Soviets evil. is it?
Posted by: grandmalcaesar at September 10, 2015 12:29 PM (Cirob)
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@168
Yeah, I am the only person that thinks Trump might be a fascist . Damn, sorry about that. 11 million deported. I guess rail cars are out, so buses?
http://tinyurl.com/puwbj66
Yeah, I am the only person that thinks Trump might be a fascist . Damn, sorry about that. 11 million deported. I guess rail cars are out, so buses?
http://tinyurl.com/puwbj66
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 12:29 PM (0FSuD)
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>>>Repeating a comment I made on an earlier thread - I don't think Trump brought up Carly's face to be mean. He brought attention to it because it's her weakness.
Voters are very looks oriented. Sympatico faces win over severe faces. Carly is handicapped by her narrow features and near-set eyes.
...
i'll accept the possibility he meant she was a bit pinch-faced and looks like schoolarm or something; but, um, so what? Yes that's somewhat better than the full on "ugly" charge, but it's not greatly better.
Why does everything with him have to be at the lowest, crudest, ugliest level?
Voters are very looks oriented. Sympatico faces win over severe faces. Carly is handicapped by her narrow features and near-set eyes.
...
i'll accept the possibility he meant she was a bit pinch-faced and looks like schoolarm or something; but, um, so what? Yes that's somewhat better than the full on "ugly" charge, but it's not greatly better.
Why does everything with him have to be at the lowest, crudest, ugliest level?
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:29 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 10, 2015 12:29 PM (HSmrB)
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The whole Middle Class Respectability thing is great in day to day interactions-
social lubricant and all, you know.
But-
MCR is being weaponized and Alinskyfied by the same
folks who used it against the Tea Party.
And in the same way-
That's why we keep hearing about "racist" Trump and his "racist" or "nativist" or "ignorant" supporters.
That's why, Super Funny Comedian Guy Stephan Colbert opened Last Night with pictures of Trump juxtaposed with the KKK.
I guess Middle Class Respectability is just one more thing we Conservatives need to get to get over if we want to win.
My guy is Cruz but,
if Trump folds to the demands of the usual Alinskyization of MCR-
then we will have lost the whole race anyway
because of the sequelae.
And Hillary! will be it no matter what.
Yeah, I'd like Trump to keep it luxurious and classy esp. to someone I like like Carly-
but he's in Tasmanian Devil mode right now and I want the wreckage to continue until some of the people like Jeb! are knocked out of the race.
social lubricant and all, you know.
But-
MCR is being weaponized and Alinskyfied by the same
folks who used it against the Tea Party.
And in the same way-
That's why we keep hearing about "racist" Trump and his "racist" or "nativist" or "ignorant" supporters.
That's why, Super Funny Comedian Guy Stephan Colbert opened Last Night with pictures of Trump juxtaposed with the KKK.
I guess Middle Class Respectability is just one more thing we Conservatives need to get to get over if we want to win.
My guy is Cruz but,
if Trump folds to the demands of the usual Alinskyization of MCR-
then we will have lost the whole race anyway
because of the sequelae.
And Hillary! will be it no matter what.
Yeah, I'd like Trump to keep it luxurious and classy esp. to someone I like like Carly-
but he's in Tasmanian Devil mode right now and I want the wreckage to continue until some of the people like Jeb! are knocked out of the race.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (0cMkb)
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I understand quite well that others don't agree.
they talk about equality but then want special status.
And frankly, I wish people would stop trying to predict or claim that THIS IS IT HE'S TOAST HE'S DONE HE'LL NEVER RECOVER.
Cause so far that ain't happened. And perhaps the polls reflect people saying they like Trump just to prove the pundits wrong. (middle finger? once again)
Maybe if we all just stepped back and let him blather on, he'd finally trip over a nice fat rock and take a nose dive and then we could see if anyone can fill the Presidency that also will take care of some very basic things that Mr. Trump has brought up.
Cruz 2016 (cause who the Eff is left?)
they talk about equality but then want special status.
And frankly, I wish people would stop trying to predict or claim that THIS IS IT HE'S TOAST HE'S DONE HE'LL NEVER RECOVER.
Cause so far that ain't happened. And perhaps the polls reflect people saying they like Trump just to prove the pundits wrong. (middle finger? once again)
Maybe if we all just stepped back and let him blather on, he'd finally trip over a nice fat rock and take a nose dive and then we could see if anyone can fill the Presidency that also will take care of some very basic things that Mr. Trump has brought up.
Cruz 2016 (cause who the Eff is left?)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (x3GpS)
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I am a conservative. I served my country. I love my country; I owe it a lot. I have defended conservatives at every turn, even on issues that I'm neutral about. I vote for conservatives. I give money to conservatives.
You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common. You are everything the left has claimed you are.
You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common. You are everything the left has claimed you are.
Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (nFICN)
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Trump caught the GOP Establishment napping. But now the GOP Establishment has recovered a bit from the initial drubbing and analyzed Trump.
Mark my words: this will now be Trump versus the GOP Establishment and everyone - from Jeb to Jindal to Christie to Walker to even Carson and Fiorina - will be in on it.
Trump makes the Establishment very afraid. So Trump must go.
If Trump wants this, he had better be quicker on his feet because the attacks are going to come from all side and on a daily basis.
Mark my words: this will now be Trump versus the GOP Establishment and everyone - from Jeb to Jindal to Christie to Walker to even Carson and Fiorina - will be in on it.
Trump makes the Establishment very afraid. So Trump must go.
If Trump wants this, he had better be quicker on his feet because the attacks are going to come from all side and on a daily basis.
Posted by: MacGruber at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (sWgE+)
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Trump is a 9/16's wrench. Not a stripped out 1/2" that might do.
Just get under the hood and fix it!
Just get under the hood and fix it!
Posted by: Ross Perot at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (W5DcG)
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While we're on the subject of Trump, Scott Adams (of Dilbert) is running a possibly interesting series about Trump on his blog which looks at Trump from the assumption that Trump is saying everything he says for very specific reasons. Worth a look.
http://blog.dilbert.com/tagged/Trump
http://blog.dilbert.com/tagged/Trump
Posted by: f2000 at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (5xwgn)
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If you think that looks and attacks on looks don't matter to women, I guess I'd have to ask you why there are so many beauty magazines, why "feminists" write about littlle more than the male gaze and Negative Body Image, and so on and so forth.
The fact that it doesn't matter to you doesn't mean it doesn't matter to others.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (dciA+)
A lot of people couldn't care less what he said to and about Rosie O'Donnell, because she attached him in such a nasty way. I don't condone tit for tat, but Rosie has a history of being a potty mouth. So, I didn't care what he said then, strangely - it's like she's not human, just a vile creature (I kinda think of Michelle Obama that way, too - she hates so many of us - I have no time for her ugliness which runs deep).
In general, though, I definitely flinch when I hear a misogynist, or mean spirited attack on a woman's looks. I just write them off as neanderthals, tho. They are usually god awful fat ugly pigs themselves, lol. I don't have time for those types of people in our short span of life. For some reason it has been easy for me to just toss an ugly (ugly as in mean) person aside.
The fact that it doesn't matter to you doesn't mean it doesn't matter to others.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (dciA+)
A lot of people couldn't care less what he said to and about Rosie O'Donnell, because she attached him in such a nasty way. I don't condone tit for tat, but Rosie has a history of being a potty mouth. So, I didn't care what he said then, strangely - it's like she's not human, just a vile creature (I kinda think of Michelle Obama that way, too - she hates so many of us - I have no time for her ugliness which runs deep).
In general, though, I definitely flinch when I hear a misogynist, or mean spirited attack on a woman's looks. I just write them off as neanderthals, tho. They are usually god awful fat ugly pigs themselves, lol. I don't have time for those types of people in our short span of life. For some reason it has been easy for me to just toss an ugly (ugly as in mean) person aside.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:31 PM (qCMvj)
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Vote for me, and I'll walk the tightrope that keeps everyone in the GOP happy (and attract Dems, too!).
Posted by: Pander Bear Party at September 10, 2015 12:31 PM (VAsIq)
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I cheer Trump destroying the GOPe, but I don't cheer his antics and it kind of chagrins me that otherwise logical reasonable people here I have read for years defending his callousness. Its reminds me of dems defending Hillarybot at all costs.
You don't have to defend him for everything to support him.
I cheer Trump destroying the GOPe, but I don't cheer his antics and it kind of chagrins me that otherwise logical reasonable people here I have read for years defending his callousness. Its reminds me of dems defending Hillarybot at all costs.
You don't have to defend him for everything to support him.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 10, 2015 12:31 PM (ODxAs)
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Carson is just an "okay" doctor. He's had as many malpractice cases as Trump has had bankruptcies, and everyone makes a lot of hay about those, but that seems to be the average for a pediatric neurosurgeon, making Carson literally okay.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 10, 2015 12:31 PM (nCKKS)
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Are we sure it's 1/3 of the GOP?
How does that compare with the number that will not absolutely under any circumstance vote for Jeb?
I guess it'd be too much to point out that this "oh noez, he's insulted the womenz!!" comes largely from . . . "the college-educated upper-middle-class Media Class."
I'm not saying it not a valid criticism, I'm just saying I'm a bit hesitant to accept their vapors as my vapors.
How does that compare with the number that will not absolutely under any circumstance vote for Jeb?
I guess it'd be too much to point out that this "oh noez, he's insulted the womenz!!" comes largely from . . . "the college-educated upper-middle-class Media Class."
I'm not saying it not a valid criticism, I'm just saying I'm a bit hesitant to accept their vapors as my vapors.
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 10, 2015 12:31 PM (ZvKdv)
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FWIW, I thought Trump was talking about Fiorina's demeanor.
Posted by: Donald Trump at September 10, 2015 12:31 PM (oVJmc)
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good luck with the 51% of voters that are female, and most of whom are not hot enough or young enough for Trump to want to f***.
Ace, of that 51% half wouldn't vote republican in a 1 man race. I'm seeing a lot of antidotal evidence of normally Democratic voters in my DC office moving to Trump (blacks and young females). This isn't going to be a "normal" election cycle,
Ace, of that 51% half wouldn't vote republican in a 1 man race. I'm seeing a lot of antidotal evidence of normally Democratic voters in my DC office moving to Trump (blacks and young females). This isn't going to be a "normal" election cycle,
Posted by: wrg500 at September 10, 2015 12:31 PM (C278+)
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But... look... while I don't like political correctness, I'm just not into 69 year old playboy billionaires Rating every women he comes across according to her sexual desirability.
Well come on, that's pretty much the point of being a billionaire. I would think.
But a billionaire running for President...that is a different story.
Yeah, hey, that stuff works on The Apprentice but I am thinking not so much in a political campaign.
Trumps personal attacks on Bush are roundly cheered because pretty much collectively we don't like the idea of a Bush candidacy.
But like I said, rolling them out on Fiorina and Carson are not as endearing.
I have been wrong at every point I thought Trump would flame out before, but I think this may be the tipping point. But, like I said, I've been wrong about it every single time so far.
Well come on, that's pretty much the point of being a billionaire. I would think.
But a billionaire running for President...that is a different story.
Yeah, hey, that stuff works on The Apprentice but I am thinking not so much in a political campaign.
Trumps personal attacks on Bush are roundly cheered because pretty much collectively we don't like the idea of a Bush candidacy.
But like I said, rolling them out on Fiorina and Carson are not as endearing.
I have been wrong at every point I thought Trump would flame out before, but I think this may be the tipping point. But, like I said, I've been wrong about it every single time so far.
Posted by: blaster at September 10, 2015 12:31 PM (2Ocf1)
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O/T I know but this is just too fucking good.
http://www.infowars.com/ saudi-arabia-has-100000 -empty-air-conditioned-tents-that-can-house-3 -million-people-yet-has-taken-zero-refugees/
Remove the spaces.
And for those skeptical of InfoWars there are links to mainstream news sites in the article.
http://www.infowars.com/ saudi-arabia-has-100000 -empty-air-conditioned-tents-that-can-house-3 -million-people-yet-has-taken-zero-refugees/
Remove the spaces.
And for those skeptical of InfoWars there are links to mainstream news sites in the article.
Posted by: Jordan at September 10, 2015 12:32 PM (r9mDd)
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Somebody's raping the POWs.
Posted by: Yuuge Wonder at September 10, 2015 12:32 PM (W5DcG)
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For those arguing with ace on what Trump is likely to do, ask yourself this:
Would you bet against ace's prediction about what Trump *will actually do* - rather than tell us what you hope Trump will do?
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Would you bet against ace's prediction about what Trump *will actually do* - rather than tell us what you hope Trump will do?
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You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common. You are everything the left has claimed you are.
So glad you don't feel this way about Obama.
Your concern is duly noted.
So glad you don't feel this way about Obama.
Your concern is duly noted.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 10, 2015 12:32 PM (LUgeY)
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>>> There is nothing gentlemanly or respectable about presidential politics. Nothing. Presidential politics is about wading hip deep in the blood, mud, and shit and throwing haymakers to get the nomination. At the end of the day, all anyone remembers is who won the fight.
okay... and Trump lost this fight. He fragged himself.
Oh wait you'll claim what, that he really moved the needle in his direction?
okay... and Trump lost this fight. He fragged himself.
Oh wait you'll claim what, that he really moved the needle in his direction?
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:33 PM (dciA+)
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Anybody speaking of being on or off the "Trump train" is just giving in to VP Joey Choo-Choo's subliminal message -- "Trains! Trains! Trains!"
I look forward to seeing all y'all workin' the phone banks for our VP once his hat is in the ring.
Anybody speaking of being on or off the "Trump train" is just giving in to VP Joey Choo-Choo's subliminal message -- "Trains! Trains! Trains!"
I look forward to seeing all y'all workin' the phone banks for our VP once his hat is in the ring.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 10, 2015 12:33 PM (BK3ZS)
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"There is a notion of Middle Class Respectability. This notion is important to most members of my (your?) class."
Which, in a nutshell, is why we lose. We're in a knife fight in an alley, and we're using Marquis of Queensbury rules.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 10, 2015 12:01 PM (oKE6c)
This.
The "notion of Middle Class Respectability" is a control factor for the masses. Once you are awakened to the fact that both parties are attempting to control - rather than represent - whether by hook or by crook, it is hard to become pacified by a facade of representative government, the notion of a fair and equal justice system, a system of rule of law that applies equally, or a notion of Middle Class Respectability.
I take "Fuck you. War." at face value.
We tried respectability with the Tea Party. Whether it is by Trump or another mechanism, the GOPe needs to be destroyed. Right now, it is Trump.
"There is a notion of Middle Class Respectability. This notion is important to most members of my (your?) class."
Which, in a nutshell, is why we lose. We're in a knife fight in an alley, and we're using Marquis of Queensbury rules.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 10, 2015 12:01 PM (oKE6c)
This.
The "notion of Middle Class Respectability" is a control factor for the masses. Once you are awakened to the fact that both parties are attempting to control - rather than represent - whether by hook or by crook, it is hard to become pacified by a facade of representative government, the notion of a fair and equal justice system, a system of rule of law that applies equally, or a notion of Middle Class Respectability.
I take "Fuck you. War." at face value.
We tried respectability with the Tea Party. Whether it is by Trump or another mechanism, the GOPe needs to be destroyed. Right now, it is Trump.
Posted by: rebel flounder at September 10, 2015 12:33 PM (1DH1V)
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Trump has a YUGE lead among GOP Woman, 26pct overall.
He also has 25pct support from blacks nation wide.
Carly Fiorina is polling where you would expect with these groups at less than 1pct
And Carly is going to feel the full wrath of a fully operational Death Trump during the next debate when he rips her up one side and down the other with regards to her disasterous stint at HP and her use of H1Bs.
So anti-Trumps fret, this too shall pass.
He also has 25pct support from blacks nation wide.
Carly Fiorina is polling where you would expect with these groups at less than 1pct
And Carly is going to feel the full wrath of a fully operational Death Trump during the next debate when he rips her up one side and down the other with regards to her disasterous stint at HP and her use of H1Bs.
So anti-Trumps fret, this too shall pass.
Posted by: Kreplach at September 10, 2015 12:33 PM (0tvq+)
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You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of
you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this
illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common. You are
everything the left has claimed you are.
Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (nFICN)
The head of Teenager's for Goldwater, agrees completely.
you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this
illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common. You are
everything the left has claimed you are.
Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (nFICN)
The head of Teenager's for Goldwater, agrees completely.
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If Trump had said that Christie was fat, do we get the same reaction?
If Trump had said that Lindsey Graham is a clueless old fart who should get treated for his low-T before he starts to look like Angela Lansbury, in those words, what would the reaction be?
Posted by: Brewdog
Probably not but that is a reality between how men talk to each other and how men talk about women. It isn't equal and it never has been and never will be.
If Trump had said that Lindsey Graham is a clueless old fart who should get treated for his low-T before he starts to look like Angela Lansbury, in those words, what would the reaction be?
Posted by: Brewdog
Probably not but that is a reality between how men talk to each other and how men talk about women. It isn't equal and it never has been and never will be.
Posted by: Cheri at September 10, 2015 12:33 PM (oiNtH)
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Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:29 PM (dciA+)
Why is there air? What good is gravity?
How much is ten?
You're asking as if you wish he wasn't. But he is and you either take him as he is or not. And that's actually a good thing. Better than Walker acting like a wind vane, or Huckabee pointing Due Evangelical regardless.
I'm an asshole. Why? I don't know and I've tried to change but I guess it's just my nature.
Need a ride across that stream?
Why is there air? What good is gravity?
How much is ten?
You're asking as if you wish he wasn't. But he is and you either take him as he is or not. And that's actually a good thing. Better than Walker acting like a wind vane, or Huckabee pointing Due Evangelical regardless.
I'm an asshole. Why? I don't know and I've tried to change but I guess it's just my nature.
Need a ride across that stream?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 10, 2015 12:33 PM (x3GpS)
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> Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 10, 2015 12:27 PM (VAsIq)
> Similar complaints about how he is a classless schlub who doesn't debate on issues (possibly because he doesn't have an actual stance), but rather attacks people personally.
Crude, but not misogyny. Boorish, but not a thought crime. Which is where I think this comment by Trump belongs.
It remains my hope that the rise of Trump represents the high-water mark of PC culture.
> Similar complaints about how he is a classless schlub who doesn't debate on issues (possibly because he doesn't have an actual stance), but rather attacks people personally.
Crude, but not misogyny. Boorish, but not a thought crime. Which is where I think this comment by Trump belongs.
It remains my hope that the rise of Trump represents the high-water mark of PC culture.
Posted by: Brewdog at September 10, 2015 12:33 PM (ZgUuK)
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If trump were treating the women equally he would insult Lindsay Graham.
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 10, 2015 12:22 PM (zJ9UW)
lol
poor Lindsey
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 10, 2015 12:22 PM (zJ9UW)
lol
poor Lindsey
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:33 PM (qCMvj)
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Why does everything with him have to be at the lowest, crudest, ugliest level?
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:29 PM (dciA+)
Because it works.
See Romney, Mitt 2012
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:29 PM (dciA+)
Because it works.
See Romney, Mitt 2012
Posted by: @votermom at September 10, 2015 12:33 PM (cbfNE)
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205 I am a conservative. I served my country. I love my country; I owe it a lot. I have defended conservatives at every turn, even on issues that I'm neutral about. I vote for conservatives. I give money to conservatives.
You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common. You are everything the left has claimed you are.
Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (nFICN)
Concern status: noted.
You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common. You are everything the left has claimed you are.
Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (nFICN)
Concern status: noted.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 10, 2015 12:33 PM (AkOaV)
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Trump isn't hurting the GOPe, he's hurting a few individual candidates, if Trump somehow wins, he'll win as an R and his signing the loyalty pledge shows he'll toe that party line when the time comes, and other than his tough talk on immigration, which most R's have engaged in at one time or another, what has he said differently from current GOPe orthodoxy? So the entire rationale of supporting Trump to hurt the GOPe makes no sense.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 10, 2015 12:33 PM (VviqM)
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>>>I have been wrong at every point I thought Trump would flame out before, but I think this may be the tipping point. But, like I said, I've been wrong about it every single time so far.
me too!
me too!
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:34 PM (dciA+)
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Posted by: Randull Hultguunson at September 10, 2015 12:24 PM (BzTuX)
If Trump didn't realize that such a comment would get turned into "Fiorina is Ugly" by most people's (and not just the MFM's - most people would react the same way to that comment) mental filters, then he's as dumb as the DOPe is saying.
There is no excuse for it- so don't excuse it. He said it. Let him own it. I owe him no allegiance. I support him because he's the one most likely to accomplish my goal- Burn, Scatter, Salt. If he is no longer the one most likely to accomplish that goal, then I will switch my support to someone else.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:25 PM (dciA+)
Fair. Though, from far enough along the relativistic line, despair and hope can look a whole lot alike.
If Trump didn't realize that such a comment would get turned into "Fiorina is Ugly" by most people's (and not just the MFM's - most people would react the same way to that comment) mental filters, then he's as dumb as the DOPe is saying.
There is no excuse for it- so don't excuse it. He said it. Let him own it. I owe him no allegiance. I support him because he's the one most likely to accomplish my goal- Burn, Scatter, Salt. If he is no longer the one most likely to accomplish that goal, then I will switch my support to someone else.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:25 PM (dciA+)
Fair. Though, from far enough along the relativistic line, despair and hope can look a whole lot alike.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 10, 2015 12:34 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 10, 2015 12:34 PM (zJ9UW)
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 12:34 PM (ab6JC)
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I am a conservative. I served my country. I love my country; I owe it a lot. I have defended conservatives at every turn, even on issues that I'm neutral about. I vote for conservatives. I give money to conservatives.
You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common. You are everything the left has claimed you are.
Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (nFICN)
Thank you for your concern.
You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common. You are everything the left has claimed you are.
Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (nFICN)
Thank you for your concern.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 10, 2015 12:34 PM (0cMkb)
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We need our coalition PLUS new voters. Losing one third of it makes it more or less impossible to win an election.
Posted by: ace
I think Trump does draw new voters. There are plenty on the left that won't vote Sanders. (Biden probably.) But there is also the large swath of "independents" that voted Obama, now wildly disenfranchised, that would vote Trump and would not otherwise vote for another GOPe candidate. Everybody is tired of the lying pol.
Posted by: ace
I think Trump does draw new voters. There are plenty on the left that won't vote Sanders. (Biden probably.) But there is also the large swath of "independents" that voted Obama, now wildly disenfranchised, that would vote Trump and would not otherwise vote for another GOPe candidate. Everybody is tired of the lying pol.
Posted by: dogfish at September 10, 2015 12:34 PM (jWtyG)
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209 If you think that looks and attacks on looks don't matter to women, I guess I'd have to ask you why there are so many beauty magazines, why "feminists" write about littlle more than the male gaze and Negative Body Image, and so on and so forth.
The fact that it doesn't matter to you doesn't mean it doesn't matter to others.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (dciA+)
Funny when you run pics of cheerleaders every weekend but no hot women athletes actually competing themselves.
The fact that it doesn't matter to you doesn't mean it doesn't matter to others.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:20 PM (dciA+)
Funny when you run pics of cheerleaders every weekend but no hot women athletes actually competing themselves.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 10, 2015 12:34 PM (nCKKS)
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Oh wait you'll claim what, that he really moved the needle in his direction?
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:33 PM (dciA+)
Ace, the fight isn't even close to being over. Trump has plenty of time to implode...and the way to bet is that he will.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:33 PM (dciA+)
Ace, the fight isn't even close to being over. Trump has plenty of time to implode...and the way to bet is that he will.
Posted by: Daywalker at September 10, 2015 12:34 PM (bfpzm)
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Doesn't the Corker Bill epitomize this Bizzarro Universe we live in now.
Doesn't the Corker Bill epitomize this Bizzarro Universe we live in now.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2015 12:34 PM (JPBdn)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 10, 2015 12:34 PM (x3GpS)
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So glad you don't feel this way about Obama.
Your concern is duly noted.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 10, 2015 12:32 PM (LUgeY)
Remind me when Obama called himself a conservative. Your comment is stupid. Read that again STUPID.
Your concern is duly noted.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 10, 2015 12:32 PM (LUgeY)
Remind me when Obama called himself a conservative. Your comment is stupid. Read that again STUPID.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 12:34 PM (0FSuD)
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There is no alternative to Trump. No other Republican candidate is capable of generating the heat he does. Most of them are boring RINO's. For me its Trump or nothing and nothing is fine. I won't bother waking up to vote for another guy who I know has already lost when I am casting my ballot.
Posted by: Chris Vaughn at September 10, 2015 12:34 PM (Bcqod)
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175: " Not our sort, dear."
There certainly is a strong strain of class-based resentment behind the support for Trump, of all people. (You'd think someone like Walker or Cruz would appeal more to those with that resentment, than would a billionaire son of a multi-millionaire.)
I think we saw that base of resentment over the weekend, when Trump supporters were all about sticking it to the 1% with increased taxes on millionaire hedge fund managers. Because, fairness.
But I'm a suburban RINO with two cars, because I don't support taking one man's income to give it to another. If you ask me, a flat tax is confiscatory: Why should a man who makes 5 times what I make, pay 5 times as much in tax? (Which he would, if we paid the same percentage). Does he use 5 times the government services as I do?
Because he can afford to? That's the communist manifesto, isn't it? And I'm the RINO?
There certainly is a strong strain of class-based resentment behind the support for Trump, of all people. (You'd think someone like Walker or Cruz would appeal more to those with that resentment, than would a billionaire son of a multi-millionaire.)
I think we saw that base of resentment over the weekend, when Trump supporters were all about sticking it to the 1% with increased taxes on millionaire hedge fund managers. Because, fairness.
But I'm a suburban RINO with two cars, because I don't support taking one man's income to give it to another. If you ask me, a flat tax is confiscatory: Why should a man who makes 5 times what I make, pay 5 times as much in tax? (Which he would, if we paid the same percentage). Does he use 5 times the government services as I do?
Because he can afford to? That's the communist manifesto, isn't it? And I'm the RINO?
Posted by: Pastafarian at September 10, 2015 12:34 PM (LqrRo)
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I'd prefer Cruz, personally. And I like the way Carly fights.
However, I'm calling it: Trump's going to take it all the way. He just doesn't care and people are going to flock to that. If the conservatives don't flock to him, well, they didn't flock to Romney either. Every TV-watching monkey who's tired of PC crap is going to pull the lever for him, R or D.
The Right Trump outrage machine is actually going to fuel his support, mark my words.
However, I'm calling it: Trump's going to take it all the way. He just doesn't care and people are going to flock to that. If the conservatives don't flock to him, well, they didn't flock to Romney either. Every TV-watching monkey who's tired of PC crap is going to pull the lever for him, R or D.
The Right Trump outrage machine is actually going to fuel his support, mark my words.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 10, 2015 12:35 PM (mD3Pa)
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Trump is getting to that place where people cannot possibly look to him to see what they'd like to be; he keeps reminding people that people are, at heart, ugly.
A good candidate is one that gives people a positive vision what they'd like to be.
Trump seems determined to remind us what we really are, which is mean, crude, narcissistic, and frivolous.
And we do not wish to be reminded of that.
There was a line in Oliver Stone's Nixon where Nixon, late at night, talks to a portrait of JFK. "When they see you, they see who they want to be," he says. "When they see me, they see who they are."
However - and bear in mind, I am speaking only for myself - the more Trump assaults what are considered common decencies, the more I like him. Because I think that, for too long, our politics have become constrained by decency. I remember, back during the last election, Ace, when you countered my lament that Romney was too polite to Obama during a debate with, "What do you want him to do, call Obama a lying cocksucker?"
And my answer then, as well as now, is yes. We have, IMO, long since passed the point where respectful disagreement gets you anywhere. If Hairy Reed slimes Mitt about mythical unpaid taxes and Mitt merely responds with a figurative, "tut, tut, that's not true," what do you think sticks in people's minds? As Osama knew, people respect the strong horse. If the MFM are biased Democrat hacks, if !Jeb is an open-borders squish, if Boehner and McConnell are spineless Obama-fellating turncoats, then we should say so, common decency be damned.
Will that lose the election? Perhaps. On the other hand, what good will winning with decency do if the "decent" candidate is a worthless RINO like !Jeb or Rubio?
My two cents, anyway, dashed off quickly. Dismiss as you will.
A good candidate is one that gives people a positive vision what they'd like to be.
Trump seems determined to remind us what we really are, which is mean, crude, narcissistic, and frivolous.
And we do not wish to be reminded of that.
There was a line in Oliver Stone's Nixon where Nixon, late at night, talks to a portrait of JFK. "When they see you, they see who they want to be," he says. "When they see me, they see who they are."
However - and bear in mind, I am speaking only for myself - the more Trump assaults what are considered common decencies, the more I like him. Because I think that, for too long, our politics have become constrained by decency. I remember, back during the last election, Ace, when you countered my lament that Romney was too polite to Obama during a debate with, "What do you want him to do, call Obama a lying cocksucker?"
And my answer then, as well as now, is yes. We have, IMO, long since passed the point where respectful disagreement gets you anywhere. If Hairy Reed slimes Mitt about mythical unpaid taxes and Mitt merely responds with a figurative, "tut, tut, that's not true," what do you think sticks in people's minds? As Osama knew, people respect the strong horse. If the MFM are biased Democrat hacks, if !Jeb is an open-borders squish, if Boehner and McConnell are spineless Obama-fellating turncoats, then we should say so, common decency be damned.
Will that lose the election? Perhaps. On the other hand, what good will winning with decency do if the "decent" candidate is a worthless RINO like !Jeb or Rubio?
My two cents, anyway, dashed off quickly. Dismiss as you will.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 10, 2015 12:35 PM (zF6Iw)
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Why does everything with him have to be at the lowest, crudest, ugliest level?
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:29 PM (dciA+
Its his style and you can't teach an old dog new tricks or behavior without a shock collar. It would be fun to zap the old boy wouldn't it?
Why does everything with him have to be at the lowest, crudest, ugliest level?
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:29 PM (dciA+
Its his style and you can't teach an old dog new tricks or behavior without a shock collar. It would be fun to zap the old boy wouldn't it?
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Meh. Ace's article seems not to acknowledge the elephant. Trump isn't winning based on the Respectable Middle Class vote, his popularity seems more based on opposing and offending it from the get go.
Not everyone likes the RMC block and their mores. In fact, to the extent they are "highly influential" it's because they've been basically controlling our political discourse entirely. And many people hate that. They like Trump because he's offensive to it and, therefor, won't be co-opted into it.
Not everyone likes the RMC block and their mores. In fact, to the extent they are "highly influential" it's because they've been basically controlling our political discourse entirely. And many people hate that. They like Trump because he's offensive to it and, therefor, won't be co-opted into it.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 10, 2015 12:35 PM (TULs6)
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He will survive this one of course, but their will be one or two he doesn't, till then I'm enjoying the show.
It is sad that in the last few months he hasn't seemed to learn anything. Now mostly that's fine, cause people like Trump cause he's Trump but he'd be a better a candidate if he could just mute himself when he's thinking thoughts like that, and if every so often he skipped the "i'm so great" lines.
What bothers me here isn't what he said, it's that before he said it he even said out loud to the reporter in the room that he probably shouldn't say what he then said out loud (pointing at Carly on tv calling her ugly). It's like he purposely wanted it to get reported\picked up.
When your talking about some politically incorrect policy statement that's fine... i get it as part of media strategy. When it comes to personal attacks on fellow candidates based on looks....eek not so good, just press the internal mute button. Do it once.. ok whatever...twice...eh Trump being Trump... keep it up though and eventually you're just going to start turning off voters in droves.
Like Ace said it like he can't, doesn't want to, or doesn't care enough to learn a few new tricks. If you want to be potus, you must learn a few new tricks to get there, and few more still to survive as president.
It is sad that in the last few months he hasn't seemed to learn anything. Now mostly that's fine, cause people like Trump cause he's Trump but he'd be a better a candidate if he could just mute himself when he's thinking thoughts like that, and if every so often he skipped the "i'm so great" lines.
What bothers me here isn't what he said, it's that before he said it he even said out loud to the reporter in the room that he probably shouldn't say what he then said out loud (pointing at Carly on tv calling her ugly). It's like he purposely wanted it to get reported\picked up.
When your talking about some politically incorrect policy statement that's fine... i get it as part of media strategy. When it comes to personal attacks on fellow candidates based on looks....eek not so good, just press the internal mute button. Do it once.. ok whatever...twice...eh Trump being Trump... keep it up though and eventually you're just going to start turning off voters in droves.
Like Ace said it like he can't, doesn't want to, or doesn't care enough to learn a few new tricks. If you want to be potus, you must learn a few new tricks to get there, and few more still to survive as president.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 10, 2015 12:35 PM (MbrzC)
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I'm a Cruz guy. But isn't is strange that not only is he the only R not bashing Trump, in fact he gives him praise and appears with him?
Cruz is the only one in the field to buy a clue. He's using Trump to determine what may be some winning positions (and probably some losing ones) and adjusting accordingly.
Adapt or perish. Cruz may be the only "serious" candidate left. I remain on the fence due to some other issues that leave me questioning how tainted he is, but I can respect how he's approaching the whole thing.
Cruz is the only one in the field to buy a clue. He's using Trump to determine what may be some winning positions (and probably some losing ones) and adjusting accordingly.
Adapt or perish. Cruz may be the only "serious" candidate left. I remain on the fence due to some other issues that leave me questioning how tainted he is, but I can respect how he's approaching the whole thing.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 10, 2015 12:35 PM (9krrF)
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Yeah, I am the only person that thinks Trump might be a fascist .
Yes. You are.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 12:34 PM (ab6JC)
Then you didn't read the link.
Yeah, I am the only person that thinks Trump might be a fascist .
Yes. You are.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 12:34 PM (ab6JC)
Then you didn't read the link.
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How does that compare with the number that will not absolutely under any circumstance vote for Jeb?
I think it's a mistake to make Jeb (or Hillary) a baseline of comparison, except...
...if Trump stays popular. Then Jeb, whose inevitability is gone, will become the inevitable foil.
Jeb has proven to be a disaster, nobody likes him, he steps on every rake and yet he is buoyed by the fact that he has the highest name recognition of any nonTrump.
Supporting Trump is supporting Jeb.
I think it's a mistake to make Jeb (or Hillary) a baseline of comparison, except...
...if Trump stays popular. Then Jeb, whose inevitability is gone, will become the inevitable foil.
Jeb has proven to be a disaster, nobody likes him, he steps on every rake and yet he is buoyed by the fact that he has the highest name recognition of any nonTrump.
Supporting Trump is supporting Jeb.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 10, 2015 12:36 PM (JIElb)
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You are everything the left has claimed you are.
Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (nFICN)
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*hic*
Hells yeah man!!! *hic* Boo Trump... BOOO!!!!
*hic*
You are everything the left has claimed you are.
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*hic*
Hells yeah man!!! *hic* Boo Trump... BOOO!!!!
*hic*
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Posted by: Cheri at September 10, 2015 12:33 PM (oiNtH)
And how women talk to each other.
Let's not forget that m'kay?
And how women talk to each other.
Let's not forget that m'kay?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 10, 2015 12:36 PM (x3GpS)
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Trump ,seemingly, has become accustomed to obeisance from those around him. The consequence is that he can be abrasively offensive when that accustomed obeisance is not paid. His knee-jerk reaction is an ad hominem attack.
While many of us find such attacks appealing and satisfying, they are not the in the nature of a truly thoughtful person.
Now, if they were couched in Old English phraseology, that would be different.
While many of us find such attacks appealing and satisfying, they are not the in the nature of a truly thoughtful person.
Now, if they were couched in Old English phraseology, that would be different.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 10, 2015 12:36 PM (9mTYi)
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Hey you guys -- did you hear that real estate mogul Donald Trump is running for president?
Posted by: zombie at September 10, 2015 12:36 PM (jBuUi)
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As long as Boehner and McConnell keep driving the base to him, Trump can say whatever he wants.
Posted by: phreshone at September 10, 2015 12:36 PM (12kBq)
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237 I am a conservative. I served my country. I love my country; I owe it a lot. I have defended conservatives at every turn, even on issues that I'm neutral about. I vote for conservatives. I give money to conservatives.
You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common. You are everything the left has claimed you are.
Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (nFICN)
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If you're single, I have the perfect woman for you. She's from Vermont and works at the Women's Clinic, also a life long Republican who, like you, voted Democrats 99% of the time.
Want her number?
You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common. You are everything the left has claimed you are.
Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (nFICN)
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If you're single, I have the perfect woman for you. She's from Vermont and works at the Women's Clinic, also a life long Republican who, like you, voted Democrats 99% of the time.
Want her number?
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<<208
While we're on the subject of Trump, Scott Adams (of Dilbert) is running
a possibly interesting series about Trump on his blog which looks at
Trump from the assumption that Trump is saying everything he says for
very specific reasons. Worth a look.
http://blog.dilbert.com/tagged/Trump
Posted by: f2000 at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (5xwgn)>>
Yup. Adams pretty much nails it.
While we're on the subject of Trump, Scott Adams (of Dilbert) is running
a possibly interesting series about Trump on his blog which looks at
Trump from the assumption that Trump is saying everything he says for
very specific reasons. Worth a look.
http://blog.dilbert.com/tagged/Trump
Posted by: f2000 at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (5xwgn)>>
Yup. Adams pretty much nails it.
Posted by: MacGruber at September 10, 2015 12:36 PM (sWgE+)
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>>> Obama looked and sounded Presidential? How does one flip the bird in a Presidential fashion, pray tell? Is that something you learn on talk shows making fun of the Special Olympics? Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 10, 2015 12:22 PM (oKE6c)
He rode his stupid "there are no red and blue states, there are red white and blue states" line all the way to the white house. Dems/MSM thought he was the second coming of JFK and treated him accordingly, and it fooled 52% of the country.
"making america great again" might be Trump's "hopeand change." We'll see. No word yet on whether the crease of his hairline is sharp enough for David Brooks...
He rode his stupid "there are no red and blue states, there are red white and blue states" line all the way to the white house. Dems/MSM thought he was the second coming of JFK and treated him accordingly, and it fooled 52% of the country.
"making america great again" might be Trump's "hopeand change." We'll see. No word yet on whether the crease of his hairline is sharp enough for David Brooks...
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Posted by: Jordan at September 10, 2015 12:32 PM (r9mDd)
Now where exactly are those tents in relation to the FEMA death camps and hundreds of thousands of plastic coffins set up for American "patriots"?
(sorry, couldn't help myself. Just a visceral reaction to an infowars link. I'm sure KSA could take those "refugees" in if they wanted)
Now where exactly are those tents in relation to the FEMA death camps and hundreds of thousands of plastic coffins set up for American "patriots"?
(sorry, couldn't help myself. Just a visceral reaction to an infowars link. I'm sure KSA could take those "refugees" in if they wanted)
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 10, 2015 12:36 PM (AkOaV)
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Illegal Immigration has been my number one issue since 1987. Trump is the first, and one and only 'legitimate' candidate that is addressing that issue the way I want it addressed. I will ride the Trump Train as far as it goes until he gets shot down for some irrellevent comments and I need to pick some limp dick as the lesser of possible evils, as I have been doing for 30 years.
Posted by: Mark in Portland at September 10, 2015 12:36 PM (x154c)
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Cruz is serious. Serious about flooding America with more foreign workers. Not an option for me.
Posted by: Chris Vaughn at September 10, 2015 12:36 PM (Bcqod)
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"So glad you don't feel this way about Obama.
Your concern is duly noted."
And THIS is what it is like to argue with Trump Cult members. Did I say anything about Obama? Did I say I support him? Actually, I feel pretty much the same about Obama as I do Trump. They are both toxic.
But, I know. Facts don't matter to you. Just like Obamabots.
Your concern is duly noted."
And THIS is what it is like to argue with Trump Cult members. Did I say anything about Obama? Did I say I support him? Actually, I feel pretty much the same about Obama as I do Trump. They are both toxic.
But, I know. Facts don't matter to you. Just like Obamabots.
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You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common.
Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So
Darn. He was signed up to bring his delicious Mexi-roni Casserole to the pot luck.
You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common.
Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So
Darn. He was signed up to bring his delicious Mexi-roni Casserole to the pot luck.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 10, 2015 12:37 PM (kdS6q)
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There is nothing gentlemanly or respectable about presidential politics. Nothing. Presidential politics is about wading hip deep in the blood, mud, and shit and throwing haymakers to get the nomination.
Posted by: Daywalker
Good candidates get others to do that, so they at least have the *appearance* of being gentlemen. The only "haymaker" Obama threw was his "You're likable enough" comment to Hillary(!), but his surrogates were metaphorically clubbing everything that rose against him. People still think Obama is a nice guy.
Posted by: Daywalker
Good candidates get others to do that, so they at least have the *appearance* of being gentlemen. The only "haymaker" Obama threw was his "You're likable enough" comment to Hillary(!), but his surrogates were metaphorically clubbing everything that rose against him. People still think Obama is a nice guy.
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Exactly what I was thinking Lizzy. I once ruled Cruz out, but I think he is gaining steam and to seemingly support Trump is a very good move.
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"i'm back to not caring. Trump briefly gave me hope that there was a Magic Button that could fix things, but that was stupid; hope is a toy for foolish children. ".....Ace
You care, Ace. If you didn't you wouldn't put up with all the shit of running a blog. Thank you by the way, if it weren't for you I'd have to work...or something. It so refreshing to see the left get a finger to the eye....at least enjoy the popcorn.
You care, Ace. If you didn't you wouldn't put up with all the shit of running a blog. Thank you by the way, if it weren't for you I'd have to work...or something. It so refreshing to see the left get a finger to the eye....at least enjoy the popcorn.
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at September 10, 2015 12:37 PM (uJK1E)
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see the gif i added... pro trump or anti, that's funny stuff.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:37 PM (dciA+)
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Whether or not Trump thinks that upper middle class suburban Republicans
are silly or not, whether or not he thinks they're "losers" or not for
owning only two cars, he will need that one third of the party that is
currently dead-set against him.
Does he?
Seriously.
If Trump gets a significant portion of the folks who don't usually vote because the game is rigged, and if the polls suggest him pulling blacks who support universal deportation pan out, can he afford to let disgrunted comfortable folks stay home.
Or would they come out for Sanders (I kind of doubt that)?
are silly or not, whether or not he thinks they're "losers" or not for
owning only two cars, he will need that one third of the party that is
currently dead-set against him.
Does he?
Seriously.
If Trump gets a significant portion of the folks who don't usually vote because the game is rigged, and if the polls suggest him pulling blacks who support universal deportation pan out, can he afford to let disgrunted comfortable folks stay home.
Or would they come out for Sanders (I kind of doubt that)?
Posted by: Methos at September 10, 2015 12:38 PM (ZbV+0)
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Trump will liberate the Sudetenland.
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 10, 2015 12:38 PM (zJ9UW)
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And in America 2015, public respectability is granted by -- controlled by -- the college-educated upper-middle-class Media Class which controls most everything related to morals and manners.
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This country doesn't have morals and manners anymore. The elites and upper classes have destroyed them. Sure there are the SJW mobs talking about micro-aggressions and the lack of black in the recent Taylor swift video. However, most people find those things to be absurd.
Trump will just go on and this won't matter.
I do think he is crass and rude. The problem is the "respectable" people have helped create a crass and rude society and then are shocked when a person like Trump can gather significant support.
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This country doesn't have morals and manners anymore. The elites and upper classes have destroyed them. Sure there are the SJW mobs talking about micro-aggressions and the lack of black in the recent Taylor swift video. However, most people find those things to be absurd.
Trump will just go on and this won't matter.
I do think he is crass and rude. The problem is the "respectable" people have helped create a crass and rude society and then are shocked when a person like Trump can gather significant support.
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I'll take crass these days; just look at where respectability has gotten us.
As Lincoln said of Grant: " I can't spare this man, he fights".
As Lincoln said of Grant: " I can't spare this man, he fights".
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Trump is at the tipping point.
Posted by: Guam at September 10, 2015 12:38 PM (W5DcG)
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Thanks pastafarian for commenting and...
Cruz is simply smart, the smartest among the group, and if Trump does implode, he will inherit the support.
Posted by: rrpjr at September 10, 2015 12:28 PM (s/yC1)
So Cruz will inherit all the "horrible awful dunderheads who aren't conservative." I find that claim fascinating.
I said some time back that Trump was the super version of Howard Dean for this cycle. Lots of noise and bellowing (remember the "scream"?) and a quick disappearance when the primary voting begins.
The question is, who rises? Does the Empire strike back, or can Cruz carry the conservative banner and get somewhere?
Cruz is simply smart, the smartest among the group, and if Trump does implode, he will inherit the support.
Posted by: rrpjr at September 10, 2015 12:28 PM (s/yC1)
So Cruz will inherit all the "horrible awful dunderheads who aren't conservative." I find that claim fascinating.
I said some time back that Trump was the super version of Howard Dean for this cycle. Lots of noise and bellowing (remember the "scream"?) and a quick disappearance when the primary voting begins.
The question is, who rises? Does the Empire strike back, or can Cruz carry the conservative banner and get somewhere?
Posted by: Meremortal at September 10, 2015 12:38 PM (1Y+hH)
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Trump happens to be a very not so good looking man himself, now that he mentions it.
Posted by: Dave S. at September 10, 2015 12:39 PM (+0uqn)
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>>And how women talk to each other.
Let's not forget that m'kay?
Yeah, big picture: After all the Left has said about Palin since 2008?
F#$@ you and your being "offended."
You gave that up when you laughed with Maher and Louis CK calling Palin a c***.
Let's not forget that m'kay?
Yeah, big picture: After all the Left has said about Palin since 2008?
F#$@ you and your being "offended."
You gave that up when you laughed with Maher and Louis CK calling Palin a c***.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2015 12:39 PM (NOIQH)
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>>>And THIS is what it is like to argue with Trump Cult members. Did I say anything about Obama? Did I say I support him? Actually, I feel pretty much the same about Obama as I do Trump. They are both toxic.
But, I know. Facts don't matter to you. Just like Obamabots.
...
please reveiw the banning policy in the top right sidebar on the main page (not this comment page) and comport yourself accordingly.
You have been warned.
But, I know. Facts don't matter to you. Just like Obamabots.
...
please reveiw the banning policy in the top right sidebar on the main page (not this comment page) and comport yourself accordingly.
You have been warned.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:39 PM (dciA+)
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Remind me when Obama called himself a conservative. Your comment is stupid. Read that again STUPID.
Can't spot a Concern Troll, can you?
Can't spot a Concern Troll, can you?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 10, 2015 12:39 PM (LUgeY)
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Hillary's face isn't ugly, but it is the face of a ball-buster. I haven't seen Carly on video so I can't say if this applies here.
Posted by: Frank Underwood (D-SC) at September 10, 2015 12:39 PM (DfclT)
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HOWEVER - I will note that Trump did not say that Fiorina was ugly.
That is people putting words in his mouth.
But what was reported, he says, yeah, I probably said that, but I meant her persona, not how she looks.
Which seems a bit of a stretch.
That is people putting words in his mouth.
But what was reported, he says, yeah, I probably said that, but I meant her persona, not how she looks.
Which seems a bit of a stretch.
Posted by: blaster at September 10, 2015 12:39 PM (2Ocf1)
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Iranian Troops are joining Russian troops in Syria and Iran developes it's Nuclear Bomb in North Korea and all we talk about is Trump?
People come on
People come on
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 10, 2015 12:39 PM (gf8BH)
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Yeah, I am the only person that thinks Trump might be a fascist . Damn, sorry about that. 11 million deported. I guess rail cars are out, so buses?
So... 11 million people kicked out of a country they entered illegally and are committing crimes = 6 million Jews slaughtered simply for being Jews.
Got it.
So... 11 million people kicked out of a country they entered illegally and are committing crimes = 6 million Jews slaughtered simply for being Jews.
Got it.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 10, 2015 12:39 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Positive Waves at September 10, 2015 12:40 PM (MQEz6)
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Then you didn't read the link.
Posted by: Nip Sip
No . Amazingly I don't click on links from lunatics who call others Nazi's for wanting a strong immigration policy.
Posted by: Nip Sip
No . Amazingly I don't click on links from lunatics who call others Nazi's for wanting a strong immigration policy.
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There are 30 million illegals in this country costing us hundreds of billions of dollars every year, causing once nice middle class neighborhoods to turn to shit overnight, causing thousands of DUIs and deaths and destroying education systems all over the land.
But let's ignore that. Why? Because he said someone is ugly.
IF that's where we are as a nation, we're beyond help.
But let's ignore that. Why? Because he said someone is ugly.
IF that's where we are as a nation, we're beyond help.
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I was practically in the Trump camp, but his mouth, and arrogance, is something else.
Jindal is doing a pretty good job making a case vs Trump today, but he needs to lay the blame for Trump's success where it really belongs- the DOPe.
I think Trump's support is going to hold unless Jebbie! drops out. I'm not sure anyone can defeat the DOPe short of having the megaphone and what somebody else here correctly identified as "fuck you money"....
Jindal is doing a pretty good job making a case vs Trump today, but he needs to lay the blame for Trump's success where it really belongs- the DOPe.
I think Trump's support is going to hold unless Jebbie! drops out. I'm not sure anyone can defeat the DOPe short of having the megaphone and what somebody else here correctly identified as "fuck you money"....
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> Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (nFICN)
> You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common. You are everything the left has claimed you are.
This is not an endorsement of Trump, but I feel the exact same way about Jeb Bush. Except the crude and boorish part. Jeb is a very nice, polite man. But if you nominate him, I'm done.
> You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common. You are everything the left has claimed you are.
This is not an endorsement of Trump, but I feel the exact same way about Jeb Bush. Except the crude and boorish part. Jeb is a very nice, polite man. But if you nominate him, I'm done.
Posted by: Brewdog at September 10, 2015 12:40 PM (ZgUuK)
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ace overlooks the obvious:
The Democrats got the experience of voting for a completely incompetent person for President - it gave them a thrill when they pulled that lever.
Republicans are looking for the same kind of thrill.
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The Democrats got the experience of voting for a completely incompetent person for President - it gave them a thrill when they pulled that lever.
Republicans are looking for the same kind of thrill.
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Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 10, 2015 12:40 PM (0MJOU)
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Remember all polls are cock.
The "Bandwagon" is a statistically constructed mirage brought to you by adjuncts of your friends in the press.
The "Bandwagon" is a statistically constructed mirage brought to you by adjuncts of your friends in the press.
Posted by: Fatman at September 10, 2015 12:40 PM (mcm0N)
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I think most people knew Trump would/will eventually cross a line and pop the bubble. It's one thing to hit Jeb! but quite another to treat Carson and Carly like crap. Now he's hitting other supporters of outside candidates. Kind of his own people.
If he fades but reframed the debate over immigration to our advantage, then he was useful. If he drags the whole Border Control movement down with him, he dicked us.
Or, maybe he's lowered expectations about his style so much he can say any damn thing he wants because he's Super Alpha Man.
If he fades but reframed the debate over immigration to our advantage, then he was useful. If he drags the whole Border Control movement down with him, he dicked us.
Or, maybe he's lowered expectations about his style so much he can say any damn thing he wants because he's Super Alpha Man.
Posted by: CJ at September 10, 2015 12:40 PM (9KqcB)
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238 We need our coalition PLUS new voters. Losing one third of it makes it more or less impossible to win an election.
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What is this "we"? I thought you were off Team Republican, Ace.
Trump supporters know there is a double standard among the establishment. Even Erickson gets this. McDaniel won the primary; the NRSC HIRED DEMOCRAT STRATEGISTS to mobilize Democrats to vote for Cochran as a third party candidate.
They did this with Murkowski, and everyone was upset. Sometimes it means nobody wins, and then get this, they blame the base for not supporting their shit sandwich.
So, maybe Trump loses. But he tends to win. So, fuck them. That is all.
Posted by: ace
What is this "we"? I thought you were off Team Republican, Ace.
Trump supporters know there is a double standard among the establishment. Even Erickson gets this. McDaniel won the primary; the NRSC HIRED DEMOCRAT STRATEGISTS to mobilize Democrats to vote for Cochran as a third party candidate.
They did this with Murkowski, and everyone was upset. Sometimes it means nobody wins, and then get this, they blame the base for not supporting their shit sandwich.
So, maybe Trump loses. But he tends to win. So, fuck them. That is all.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 10, 2015 12:40 PM (nCKKS)
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Could we get Jeb to sign a conservative loyalty pledge? I'm asking for a friend.
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HOWEVER - I will note that Trump did not say that Fiorina was ugly.
That is people putting words in his mouth.
Shhh. You'll ruin the meme.
That is people putting words in his mouth.
Shhh. You'll ruin the meme.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 12:41 PM (ab6JC)
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For practicing Christians, Trump's attacks on Ben Carson's faith recently are many times more damning (in every sense of the word) than his disparaging of Carly. Non-Christians won't get this, and won't think it's a big deal, and that's fine. They will buy Trump's schtick that "he criticized me, he's just as bad as me".
But all Carson said was what every evangelical Christian has been thinking since Trump's "i don't need no forgiveness!" talk. Of course it's fine for him to say that, and it makes him look tuff and all that, but that's a great big red banner saying "I AM PLAYING ALL YOU STUPID XIANS FOR CHUMPS HAHHA!!!"
Wheras Carson speaks like a true Christian, acts like a Christian, carries himself like a Christian should. When Trump attacks him, he is openly and personally attacking every evangelical voter he is going to need to win this thing.
FYI, every evangelical I know is either putting Ben Carson stickers on their cars, or asking about where they can get some.
But all Carson said was what every evangelical Christian has been thinking since Trump's "i don't need no forgiveness!" talk. Of course it's fine for him to say that, and it makes him look tuff and all that, but that's a great big red banner saying "I AM PLAYING ALL YOU STUPID XIANS FOR CHUMPS HAHHA!!!"
Wheras Carson speaks like a true Christian, acts like a Christian, carries himself like a Christian should. When Trump attacks him, he is openly and personally attacking every evangelical voter he is going to need to win this thing.
FYI, every evangelical I know is either putting Ben Carson stickers on their cars, or asking about where they can get some.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2015 12:41 PM (Kpl3J)
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I'm beginning to think that Trump could take this course, insulting routine all the way to the White House.
I hope he does. I might never stop laughing at the horror expressed by the same fucking dopes that put a nasty, childish, petty little shitstain like Obama into office.
Because when it comes down to it, Obama is just a passive aggressive version of Trump.
I hope he does. I might never stop laughing at the horror expressed by the same fucking dopes that put a nasty, childish, petty little shitstain like Obama into office.
Because when it comes down to it, Obama is just a passive aggressive version of Trump.
Posted by: Warden at September 10, 2015 12:41 PM (XwbzU)
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"I'd like to see a poll limited to likely Republican primary voters.
Lots of Trump support may be coming from people that won't matter."
His support does in fact decrease.
Trump fans seem to think the vast soldiers of the Kardashian Army will magically learn how to register to vote, and then show up in February in the snow in Iowa to hang out at the VFW hall for five hours to caucus for him.
Yeah. Not so much.
"I'd like to see a poll limited to likely Republican primary voters.
Lots of Trump support may be coming from people that won't matter."
His support does in fact decrease.
Trump fans seem to think the vast soldiers of the Kardashian Army will magically learn how to register to vote, and then show up in February in the snow in Iowa to hang out at the VFW hall for five hours to caucus for him.
Yeah. Not so much.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 10, 2015 12:41 PM (ljZD2)
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>>Want her number?
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September
Mary swings a different way she only likes flannel carpet.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September
Mary swings a different way she only likes flannel carpet.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 10, 2015 12:41 PM (n6Nt0)
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Meh. Ace's article seems not to acknowledge the elephant. Trump isn't winning based on the Respectable Middle Class vote, his popularity seems more based on opposing and offending it from the get go.
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Perhaps because ace's point has nothing to do with that particular elephant. He's certainly acknowledged it in the past--it just has nothing to do with his point in this post.
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Perhaps because ace's point has nothing to do with that particular elephant. He's certainly acknowledged it in the past--it just has nothing to do with his point in this post.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 10, 2015 12:42 PM (VAsIq)
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When you get right down to it, Trump, especially after the Dig on Carly, appears as Contrived as HRC.
Wow. He came off as so, so petty.
When you get right down to it, Trump, especially after the Dig on Carly, appears as Contrived as HRC.
Wow. He came off as so, so petty.
Posted by: GBruno at September 10, 2015 12:42 PM (u49WF)
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>>>hat is this "we"? I thought you were off Team Republican, Ace.
i lapse. Though I'm not a Republican, I sure would like to not have Hillary or Sanders be president.
i lapse. Though I'm not a Republican, I sure would like to not have Hillary or Sanders be president.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:42 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Lindsay Graham 2016 at September 10, 2015 12:42 PM (nCKKS)
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Ace you do realize that there is a large contingent of republican voters that have watched republicans win election only to get stabbed in the back and now with McConnell running the senate would have been better off voting fucking democrat so now simply don't give a fuck about the Republican Party?
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You know, I think Trump lives by the stray voltage thing, too, but not on purpose.
So you have this eff you money, you can say what you want, so you say what you want.
If you keep saying whatever then you've moved on to the next thing while people focus on the stray voltage.
It isn't strategy, it just is what it is.
So you have this eff you money, you can say what you want, so you say what you want.
If you keep saying whatever then you've moved on to the next thing while people focus on the stray voltage.
It isn't strategy, it just is what it is.
Posted by: blaster at September 10, 2015 12:43 PM (2Ocf1)
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We're in a knife fight in an alley, and we're using Marquis of Queensbury rules.
Marquess of Queensbury. Because I'm a dick.
I hope that Trump's incessant breaches of Respectability bring him down, because I find him truly loathsome on a personal level, but I think what will bring him down is something else.
He's Brawndo, he's got electrolytes. He says empty things all the time and he's getting kudos for having the Brashness and Daring to say the things to those people.
When it wears off, as it must, we will be left with Trump and what he believes in, which is Trump.
"We're going to win so much you'll get bored with all the winning". Jindal's campaign manager got it right today that Charlie Sheen is Trump's spirit animal, or vice versa.
He is a hollow sack of ego and hubris without substance, unless wealth confers moral status.
People, even current Trump supporters, will not forever be able to hide from themselves the fact that he doesn't agree with them or their values.
Marquess of Queensbury. Because I'm a dick.
I hope that Trump's incessant breaches of Respectability bring him down, because I find him truly loathsome on a personal level, but I think what will bring him down is something else.
He's Brawndo, he's got electrolytes. He says empty things all the time and he's getting kudos for having the Brashness and Daring to say the things to those people.
When it wears off, as it must, we will be left with Trump and what he believes in, which is Trump.
"We're going to win so much you'll get bored with all the winning". Jindal's campaign manager got it right today that Charlie Sheen is Trump's spirit animal, or vice versa.
He is a hollow sack of ego and hubris without substance, unless wealth confers moral status.
People, even current Trump supporters, will not forever be able to hide from themselves the fact that he doesn't agree with them or their values.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 10, 2015 12:43 PM (JtwS4)
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Trump appears to be something of a phenomenon to a lot of people in the commentariat class. I'm guessing that a lot of these people don't have a lot business experience or haven't been involved with or are not familiar with or very interested in the world of high level business and executives. My father was a CEO in New York and my earliest memories are spending time with CEOs and their families and that world. I took it all for granted. I assumed that most men -- or the men I saw as ones to admire -- were tough, decisive, no-BS problem-solving characters who would occasionally put on flamboyant acts. So Trump, while certainly at the extreme end, is still right in the wheelhouse of the world and characters I knew. So I really don't find him or his statements that remarkable. I also realize that what he says doesn't necessarily have to do with how he will assess data or make decisions. My father could say some wild stuff but when it came to business, he was all business. It's not just the PC world that has cast its shadow over our through process and interpretive capacities which makes as look askance at Trump, but also a certain loss of connection to the business world.
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Ever wonder why Hillary never won an Oscar for her role as Nurse Ratched in the Cuckoo Nest movie?
Posted by: Zombie Andy Rooney at September 10, 2015 12:17 PM
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All these years and I've never realized I was pronouncing that movie title wrong. OR that it was a stealth white-power film.
Posted by: Zombie Andy Rooney at September 10, 2015 12:17 PM
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All these years and I've never realized I was pronouncing that movie title wrong. OR that it was a stealth white-power film.
Posted by: irright at September 10, 2015 12:43 PM (zxnPQ)
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" or can Cruz carry the conservative banner and get somewhere?"
and that is why the major media outlets will not repeat what he says. They ignore him unless they can twist something he said into something else, like they do with Trump.
and that is why the major media outlets will not repeat what he says. They ignore him unless they can twist something he said into something else, like they do with Trump.
Posted by: Randull Hultguunson at September 10, 2015 12:43 PM (BzTuX)
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271 see the gif i added... pro trump or anti, that's funny stuff.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:37 PM (dciA+)
The one about "suaves delgados y absorbentes?"
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:37 PM (dciA+)
The one about "suaves delgados y absorbentes?"
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at September 10, 2015 12:43 PM (vgIRn)
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>>>Meh. Ace's article seems not to acknowledge the elephant. Trump isn't winning based on the Respectable Middle Class vote, his popularity seems more based on opposing and offending it from the get go.
my point is that you don't need them to win a primary, as you can win with 51% of primary voters; but you damn well will need them in the general.
And trump is doing everything possible to say "NEVER VOTE FOR ME IF YOU WANT TO CLING TO YOUR ILLUSIONS OF SELF-RESPECT"
Illusions are important to people.
my point is that you don't need them to win a primary, as you can win with 51% of primary voters; but you damn well will need them in the general.
And trump is doing everything possible to say "NEVER VOTE FOR ME IF YOU WANT TO CLING TO YOUR ILLUSIONS OF SELF-RESPECT"
Illusions are important to people.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:43 PM (dciA+)
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'm a Cruz guy. But isn't is strange that not only is he the only R not bashing Trump, in fact he gives him praise and appears with him?
Cruz is the only one in the field to buy a clue. He's using Trump to determine what may be some winning positions (and probably some losing ones) and adjusting accordingly.
Adapt or perish. Cruz may be the only "serious" candidate left. I remain on the fence due to some other issues that leave me questioning how tainted he is, but I can respect how he's approaching the whole thing.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 10, 2015 12:35 PM (9krrF)
I'm still happy happy that Cruz is getting some serious cash.
Talk about a personality issue, I know Cruz is not perceived as the warmest or friendliness, but he's got the smarts, and the tenacity to use them. He's a fighter.
Cruz is the only one in the field to buy a clue. He's using Trump to determine what may be some winning positions (and probably some losing ones) and adjusting accordingly.
Adapt or perish. Cruz may be the only "serious" candidate left. I remain on the fence due to some other issues that leave me questioning how tainted he is, but I can respect how he's approaching the whole thing.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 10, 2015 12:35 PM (9krrF)
I'm still happy happy that Cruz is getting some serious cash.
Talk about a personality issue, I know Cruz is not perceived as the warmest or friendliness, but he's got the smarts, and the tenacity to use them. He's a fighter.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:43 PM (qCMvj)
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i am not so sure Trump is incapable of learning.What he learns is important.He is in a constant feedback loop between him and the public. Trump is performance art. He is the ultimate marketer and the product is himself. The fucking guy put his name on steak knives fercrissake. He may always think "i wouldn't F this broad with your dick " each an every time he comes upon a woman, but if stating that begins to hurt his brand he can pivot in a second.
Posted by: Mac at September 10, 2015 12:43 PM (0J18b)
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290 > Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (nFICN)
> You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common. You are everything the left has claimed you are.
This is not an endorsement of Trump, but I feel the exact same way about Jeb Bush. Except the crude and boorish part. Jeb is a very nice, polite man. But if you nominate him, I'm done.
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Me too. Same with the Bush Bronies - Christie, Rubio, Kasich and Graham. I got better things to do with my life than find time to vote for more of the same. Hillary or Biden will certainly deliver on status quo.
> You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common. You are everything the left has claimed you are.
This is not an endorsement of Trump, but I feel the exact same way about Jeb Bush. Except the crude and boorish part. Jeb is a very nice, polite man. But if you nominate him, I'm done.
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Me too. Same with the Bush Bronies - Christie, Rubio, Kasich and Graham. I got better things to do with my life than find time to vote for more of the same. Hillary or Biden will certainly deliver on status quo.
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304 >>>hat is this "we"? I thought you were off Team Republican, Ace.
i lapse. Though I'm not a Republican, I sure would like to not have Hillary or Sanders be president.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:42 PM (dciA+)
That's the story every year. Nobody was genuinely excited about a Mitt Romney presidency.
i lapse. Though I'm not a Republican, I sure would like to not have Hillary or Sanders be president.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:42 PM (dciA+)
That's the story every year. Nobody was genuinely excited about a Mitt Romney presidency.
Posted by: Lindsay Graham 2016 at September 10, 2015 12:44 PM (nCKKS)
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Why does everything with him have to be at the lowest, crudest, ugliest level?
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:29 PM (dciA+
I would say it could be a case of "dance with the chick that brought ya." He's gotten to this point by doing it, so why stop now? It is entirely possible that its all he's capable of and can't change tactics. But if it doesn't look like he winds up taking a hit that does real damage, why not keep it up?
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:29 PM (dciA+
I would say it could be a case of "dance with the chick that brought ya." He's gotten to this point by doing it, so why stop now? It is entirely possible that its all he's capable of and can't change tactics. But if it doesn't look like he winds up taking a hit that does real damage, why not keep it up?
Posted by: buzzion at September 10, 2015 12:44 PM (zt+N6)
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I know you have to write about something, but remember Rick Perry was still leading the field at this point in 2012.
Just name recognition. Polls don't really matter much till a few weeks before people start voting.
Just name recognition. Polls don't really matter much till a few weeks before people start voting.
Posted by: TallDave at September 10, 2015 12:44 PM (/s1LA)
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Trump said it was "jocular", and that might be right in the college kid locker room way. I'm reminded of the movie "Michael" with Travolta, when he has to go in the field and butt heads with the bull. When Trump is in the arena, he seems he has to just brutishly butt heads. But indeed he can't seem to control going "over the line" and being a little ugly toward women.
That is a little PC I guess, as feminists can handle it (and Carly and Megyn handled it fine) but he still can't just be brutal to women like he would men. And has he even called other men ugly, or too bald? (but good hair does seem to matter). The raw emotion is good, but he hurts himself with votes when he attacks her face .. he held back slightly by not quite saying she was ugly ... just said could people vote for that.
Trump points out how he gets blasted for his hair, which is true. But this is an indication he can't control himself when women challenge, more so than men.
But since it was one comment in extended time with the RS guy, it is a little different ... it's not like he tweeted it or said it in videoed interview. I don't quite toss him completely on this, but still do prefer someone more "serious" (per the Jindal rant) take the reins on full control of immigration. Trump is actually squishy on that anyway ... but the point is who can WIN against the establishment? The establishment has that one comment dominating the news all morning ... which just wants me to hope Trump corrects this character flaw. Who rises if/when Trump falls?
That is a little PC I guess, as feminists can handle it (and Carly and Megyn handled it fine) but he still can't just be brutal to women like he would men. And has he even called other men ugly, or too bald? (but good hair does seem to matter). The raw emotion is good, but he hurts himself with votes when he attacks her face .. he held back slightly by not quite saying she was ugly ... just said could people vote for that.
Trump points out how he gets blasted for his hair, which is true. But this is an indication he can't control himself when women challenge, more so than men.
But since it was one comment in extended time with the RS guy, it is a little different ... it's not like he tweeted it or said it in videoed interview. I don't quite toss him completely on this, but still do prefer someone more "serious" (per the Jindal rant) take the reins on full control of immigration. Trump is actually squishy on that anyway ... but the point is who can WIN against the establishment? The establishment has that one comment dominating the news all morning ... which just wants me to hope Trump corrects this character flaw. Who rises if/when Trump falls?
Posted by: Illiniwek at September 10, 2015 12:44 PM (6zZ5y)
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"I'll take crass these days; just look at where respectability has gotten us."
What, you don't want more gentleman losers like John McCain and Mitt Romney?
"My friendsh, you have nothing to fear from Barack Obama in the White House."
"Candy, can I just say that I agree with the President on this?"
What, you don't want more gentleman losers like John McCain and Mitt Romney?
"My friendsh, you have nothing to fear from Barack Obama in the White House."
"Candy, can I just say that I agree with the President on this?"
Posted by: torquewrench at September 10, 2015 12:44 PM (noWW6)
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"McDaniel won the primary"
No, he didn't. That's why there was a run-off. Nobody won the primary. McDaniel merely got the largest plurality. If he had, in fact, won the primary there wouldn't have been a run-off.
When basic facts elude you...
No, he didn't. That's why there was a run-off. Nobody won the primary. McDaniel merely got the largest plurality. If he had, in fact, won the primary there wouldn't have been a run-off.
When basic facts elude you...
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 10, 2015 12:44 PM (ljZD2)
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Funny when you run pics of cheerleaders every weekend but no hot women athletes actually competing themselves.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 10, 2015 12:34 PM (nCKKS)
Hell, yeah. Where's the HOT MALE CHEERLEADERS!
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 10, 2015 12:34 PM (nCKKS)
Hell, yeah. Where's the HOT MALE CHEERLEADERS!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:45 PM (qCMvj)
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I guess my point is that it's not gentlemanly, for sure. But Politics is
not really a gentlemans game. And if women are to be involved in
politics, they need just a thick of a skin as the men.
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Exactly.
How much of this "Trump is a boor" is driven by "make any criticism of Hillary (a woman, mind you) off limits because she is a woman?"
Oh, and who called Palin a pig to the cheers of the crowd and the media?
Fuck them and their pretend outrages.
One last thing: It was justified to ask hard questions of Trump "cause the media sure will."
Are we going to abandon that truism--that we must test, by all fires, our candidates--merely because this one is a woman?
Which is to say, the mouthpieces of the left in the media will insinuate and suggest far, far worse than Trump has or will say should Carly become the candidate.
not really a gentlemans game. And if women are to be involved in
politics, they need just a thick of a skin as the men.
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Exactly.
How much of this "Trump is a boor" is driven by "make any criticism of Hillary (a woman, mind you) off limits because she is a woman?"
Oh, and who called Palin a pig to the cheers of the crowd and the media?
Fuck them and their pretend outrages.
One last thing: It was justified to ask hard questions of Trump "cause the media sure will."
Are we going to abandon that truism--that we must test, by all fires, our candidates--merely because this one is a woman?
Which is to say, the mouthpieces of the left in the media will insinuate and suggest far, far worse than Trump has or will say should Carly become the candidate.
Posted by: RoyalOil at September 10, 2015 12:45 PM (ZvKdv)
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i lapse. Though I'm not a Republican, I sure would like to not have Hillary or Sanders be president.
We'll still have stalwarts like John Boehner to carry our standard against them.
We'll still have stalwarts like John Boehner to carry our standard against them.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 10, 2015 12:45 PM (bxoVs)
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I like the way Trump has shaken things up and put on crystal clear display what Anericans are yearning for. It's just so hard to trust him at all or predict how he would actually govern once given the reigns of power.
I could def live with a Cruz for Pres / Trump for VP ticket. Cruz could govern like a good conservative while Trump the junkyard dog prowls the grounds for any funny business... If trump doesn't turn toxic beforehand. If he does, Cruz with whoever the hell he wants as VP.
Cruz's approach to Trump has been the savviest by a long shot.
I could def live with a Cruz for Pres / Trump for VP ticket. Cruz could govern like a good conservative while Trump the junkyard dog prowls the grounds for any funny business... If trump doesn't turn toxic beforehand. If he does, Cruz with whoever the hell he wants as VP.
Cruz's approach to Trump has been the savviest by a long shot.
Posted by: ElKomandante at September 10, 2015 12:45 PM (APQ2q)
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I disagree with Ace on one thing (and agree with others here), the more Trump has been an SOB, the more I think he can win it all. Getting close to 20% of the black population will destroy any chance a Dem has of getting elected. Its a reality TV world, we just live in it.
Nevertheless, I disbelieve on the one issue he has, immigration, he will live up to his rhetoric.
I disagree with Ace on one thing (and agree with others here), the more Trump has been an SOB, the more I think he can win it all. Getting close to 20% of the black population will destroy any chance a Dem has of getting elected. Its a reality TV world, we just live in it.
Nevertheless, I disbelieve on the one issue he has, immigration, he will live up to his rhetoric.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 10, 2015 12:45 PM (ODxAs)
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He's crass and simple just like the voters.
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 10, 2015 12:45 PM (zJ9UW)
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Brutal
After almost 8 years of being pushed around by the ugliest bunch of scumbags in history, we finally get someone pushing back.
No one - I mean NO ONE was pushing back, until Donald Trump.
If you want nice guys who talk nice, stick with Boehner and McConnell, Cantor and Rand... They're nice... Real nice - while they stick it to you.
Me?... I want someone - anyone who'll get down in the mud with these sons of bitches, and call them what they are - F**king losers.
It's not supposed to be pretty... I don't want pretty.. I'm sick of that shit... I want blood.
After almost 8 years of being pushed around by the ugliest bunch of scumbags in history, we finally get someone pushing back.
No one - I mean NO ONE was pushing back, until Donald Trump.
If you want nice guys who talk nice, stick with Boehner and McConnell, Cantor and Rand... They're nice... Real nice - while they stick it to you.
Me?... I want someone - anyone who'll get down in the mud with these sons of bitches, and call them what they are - F**king losers.
It's not supposed to be pretty... I don't want pretty.. I'm sick of that shit... I want blood.
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(Insert story about Adams calling Jefferson a hermaphrodite here)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 10, 2015 12:45 PM (bxoVs)
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>>>Ace you do realize that there is a large contingent of republican voters that have watched republicans win election only to get stabbed in the back and now with McConnell running the senate would have been better off voting fucking democrat so now simply don't give a fuck about the Republican Party?
no really?
where are these former republican voters? I know nothing at all about that type of former republican voter, nothing at all.
no really?
where are these former republican voters? I know nothing at all about that type of former republican voter, nothing at all.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:46 PM (dciA+)
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135 "the bull is indiscriminate, and will likely end up breaking China you like"
Didn't mythbusters test this? I think they found the bull was shockingly adept at not breaking china at all.
Posted by: f2000 at September 10, 2015 12:21 PM (5xwgn)
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Indeed. I recall that episode as well.
Didn't mythbusters test this? I think they found the bull was shockingly adept at not breaking china at all.
Posted by: f2000 at September 10, 2015 12:21 PM (5xwgn)
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Indeed. I recall that episode as well.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 10, 2015 12:46 PM (MbrzC)
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I look at the surrender monkeys of the GOPe and then I look at Trump and I have to say --
I prefer Theater to Failure Theater.
I prefer Theater to Failure Theater.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 10, 2015 12:46 PM (gyKtp)
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Donald Trump's ballot. pic.twitter.com/gecVIytEC6
-- Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) September 10, 2015
heh.
-- Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) September 10, 2015
heh.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:46 PM (qCMvj)
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And trump is doing everything possible to say "NEVER VOTE FOR ME IF YOU WANT TO CLING TO YOUR ILLUSIONS OF SELF-RESPECT"
Illusions are important to people.
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Ace are calling us bitter clingers? This is who Trump is attracting. Them and blacks. Do you want a bigger party or a nice party of polite people?
Illusions are important to people.
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Ace are calling us bitter clingers? This is who Trump is attracting. Them and blacks. Do you want a bigger party or a nice party of polite people?
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2015 12:46 PM (oDCMR)
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Will that lose the election? Perhaps. On the other
hand, what good will winning with decency do if the "decent" candidate
is a worthless RINO like !Jeb or Rubio?
My two cents, anyway, dashed off quickly. Dismiss as you will.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 10, 2015 12:35 PM (zF6Iw)
You mean losing with decency? See, 2008, 2012.
hand, what good will winning with decency do if the "decent" candidate
is a worthless RINO like !Jeb or Rubio?
My two cents, anyway, dashed off quickly. Dismiss as you will.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 10, 2015 12:35 PM (zF6Iw)
You mean losing with decency? See, 2008, 2012.
Posted by: rebel flounder at September 10, 2015 12:46 PM (1DH1V)
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>>>No one - I mean NO ONE was pushing back, until Donald Trump.
trump, the candidate with balls enough to push back against Carly Fiorino's ugly face
trump, the candidate with balls enough to push back against Carly Fiorino's ugly face
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:46 PM (dciA+)
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Is there a bannin' a'brewin'? There should be.
Posted by: logprof at September 10, 2015 12:47 PM (vsbNu)
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Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:23 PM (dciA+)
Question.... and I mean this seriously.
If a Woman said Trump had an unsightly feature... weight, Face... HAIR... would she be Rating every Man she comes across according to his sexual desirability.
Or would she be commenting on his feature?
When Women talk about the looks of others, is it all about Sexual desirability???
Follow me here... I will admit I have a problem with the Ex Wife... she can say something fairly innocent, but because of our history I will sometimes blow it out of proportion... because I am LOOKING for fault...
I am less and less a Trump supporter, because of his Policy statements (like taking in Syrian refugees.... dumb IMO)...
But to me this comment is getting blown out of proportion...
Question.... and I mean this seriously.
If a Woman said Trump had an unsightly feature... weight, Face... HAIR... would she be Rating every Man she comes across according to his sexual desirability.
Or would she be commenting on his feature?
When Women talk about the looks of others, is it all about Sexual desirability???
Follow me here... I will admit I have a problem with the Ex Wife... she can say something fairly innocent, but because of our history I will sometimes blow it out of proportion... because I am LOOKING for fault...
I am less and less a Trump supporter, because of his Policy statements (like taking in Syrian refugees.... dumb IMO)...
But to me this comment is getting blown out of proportion...
Posted by: BB Wolf at September 10, 2015 12:47 PM (qh617)
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I had dinner with my dad over the weekend. He is a trump supporter. His rational..."all the others lied about closing the borders maybe he will actually do it"
So let's just take a moment to remember the ones that lied about it and let the Republican Party to the state where a jackass like trump might win.
John McCain
Rubio
Bush
Romney
Boener
McConnell
So let's just take a moment to remember the ones that lied about it and let the Republican Party to the state where a jackass like trump might win.
John McCain
Rubio
Bush
Romney
Boener
McConnell
Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarian at September 10, 2015 12:47 PM (gJMOF)
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I'm tired of talking about this *hic* Trump fellow,,, boooo!!,, *hic*... Let's talk about by ole' buddy Jeb!.. Did yall know that he gave me a major award?1/!? *hic* yess siree he did... I put it in the picture window soooo the whole neighborhood could see it.. *hic*...
I'm tired of talking about this *hic* Trump fellow,,, boooo!!,, *hic*... Let's talk about by ole' buddy Jeb!.. Did yall know that he gave me a major award?1/!? *hic* yess siree he did... I put it in the picture window soooo the whole neighborhood could see it.. *hic*...
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 10, 2015 12:47 PM (HSmrB)
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i'm sorry, who is the enemy who is being "pushed back" with this casual denigration of Fiorina's sexual desirability?
Is this about getting even with the progs, or with women, generally?
Is this about getting even with the progs, or with women, generally?
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:47 PM (dciA+)
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Hell, yeah. Where's the HOT MALE CHEERLEADERS!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:45 PM (qCMvj)
No idea. All the noise behind that locked door is an old record album. "Grunts of the 60's." I have to go now.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:45 PM (qCMvj)
No idea. All the noise behind that locked door is an old record album. "Grunts of the 60's." I have to go now.
Posted by: Lindsey Graham at September 10, 2015 12:47 PM (vgIRn)
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Posted by: blaster at September 10, 2015 12:43 PM (2Ocf1)
Maybe I'm giving Trump too much credit, but I think he knows exactly what he's doing here.
And maybe it's because I'm in sales and have to go through these dumb sales trainings all the time, but he seems to be using a lot of sales methods on people -- where you say something that suggests an answer -- kind of get people to decide something (carly is ugly) "on their own" even though you never said that.
And the "classiest, best, greatest" verse "loser, low energy, horrible guy" stuff is classic salesmanship.
So, again, maybe I'm giving Trump too much credit here, but to me he seems to be treating this election as a sales presentation.
for those of you not in sales, think about the pick up artist type shit. He's "negging" a lot of people, but not outright saying things that can be used in soundbites or thrown back in his face.
"What? All I said was look at her face. You're the whacko who thought I called her ugly. Your word, not mine."
"Heh? All I said was "wherever". You're the sicko who took that to mean "vagina""
Maybe I'm giving Trump too much credit, but I think he knows exactly what he's doing here.
And maybe it's because I'm in sales and have to go through these dumb sales trainings all the time, but he seems to be using a lot of sales methods on people -- where you say something that suggests an answer -- kind of get people to decide something (carly is ugly) "on their own" even though you never said that.
And the "classiest, best, greatest" verse "loser, low energy, horrible guy" stuff is classic salesmanship.
So, again, maybe I'm giving Trump too much credit here, but to me he seems to be treating this election as a sales presentation.
for those of you not in sales, think about the pick up artist type shit. He's "negging" a lot of people, but not outright saying things that can be used in soundbites or thrown back in his face.
"What? All I said was look at her face. You're the whacko who thought I called her ugly. Your word, not mine."
"Heh? All I said was "wherever". You're the sicko who took that to mean "vagina""
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 10, 2015 12:47 PM (AkOaV)
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makes him free to take controversial positions -- which, it turns out, are not that controversial at all, after someone finally publicly declares that they should be our policy.
Absolutely. What our position should be has been determined by Coolidge's educated derelicts for too long.
Absolutely. What our position should be has been determined by Coolidge's educated derelicts for too long.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at September 10, 2015 12:47 PM (yMVjf)
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Thus the wisdom of the Cruz strategy: riding the Trump Tiger until it falls into the pit trap, and then jumping off and bragging about how he rode while others ran away.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at September 10, 2015 12:47 PM (Q73VP)
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2015 12:47 PM (JPBdn)
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I think Fiorina looks pretty damn good for her age. She's 61 and could easily pass for ten years younger. She even had chemo for that cancer and that stuff can easily cause premature aging.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 10, 2015 12:48 PM (4ErVI)
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> 323 "McDaniel won the primary"
Well, he would have won if they had only counted Republican votes.
Well, he would have won if they had only counted Republican votes.
Posted by: Brewdog at September 10, 2015 12:48 PM (ZgUuK)
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Trump might have been better advised to note that when Fiorina previously ran for the Senate in California, she wasn't even able to get REPUBLICANS to vote for her in any appreciable numbers.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 10, 2015 12:48 PM (noWW6)
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One of the spectacular failures of the Bush administration was never answering the attacks on his policy and especially his character.
The left routinely and gratuitously assaulted him in the meanest most crude ways imaginable - AND HE DID AND SAID NOTHING!
That worked out spectacularly as you already know.
W also routinely would say silly shit like, He'd looked into Putins heart and saw that he was good or some such bullshit.
I want a President who will start treating these fuckers exactly as what they are - FESTERING BOILS ON THE BACKSIDE OF HUMANITY.
Trump/Cruz 2016 - Because you've left us no other choice!
The left routinely and gratuitously assaulted him in the meanest most crude ways imaginable - AND HE DID AND SAID NOTHING!
That worked out spectacularly as you already know.
W also routinely would say silly shit like, He'd looked into Putins heart and saw that he was good or some such bullshit.
I want a President who will start treating these fuckers exactly as what they are - FESTERING BOILS ON THE BACKSIDE OF HUMANITY.
Trump/Cruz 2016 - Because you've left us no other choice!
Posted by: Kreplach at September 10, 2015 12:49 PM (0tvq+)
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"Look at that face!" said the guy in the dopey red cap.
Trump didn't call Carly ugly?
I certainly didn't get the impression he was complimenting her grace and style.
"Look at that face!" said the guy in the dopey red cap.
Trump didn't call Carly ugly?
I certainly didn't get the impression he was complimenting her grace and style.
Posted by: GBruno at September 10, 2015 12:49 PM (u49WF)
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"Didn't mythbusters test this? I think they found the bull was shockingly adept at not breaking china at all."
This is true. Or should I say confirmed?
"Didn't mythbusters test this? I think they found the bull was shockingly adept at not breaking china at all."
This is true. Or should I say confirmed?
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 10, 2015 12:49 PM (+aCe4)
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The only thing I really like about Trump is that he has the balls to say our illegal immigration problem is out of control and hasn't been scared off by people calling him a racists for saying it.
Oh, and he's not for "free trade".
That's about it.
I don't understand the cult of personality with the guy from conservatives, especially since the rest of his political ideology sounds a lot like Bernie Sanders.
Oh, and he's not for "free trade".
That's about it.
I don't understand the cult of personality with the guy from conservatives, especially since the rest of his political ideology sounds a lot like Bernie Sanders.
Posted by: Coolio at September 10, 2015 12:49 PM (/Py5b)
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Hell, yeah. Where's the HOT MALE CHEERLEADERS!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:45 PM (qCMvj)
I think Perry's campaign is dead.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:45 PM (qCMvj)
I think Perry's campaign is dead.
Posted by: blaster at September 10, 2015 12:49 PM (2Ocf1)
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Wait -- so there's a middle class now?
Posted by: zombie at September 10, 2015 12:49 PM (jBuUi)
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Interesting mostly because you seem to find the GOP as still having respectability, Ace.
Posted by: Bigby's Snake handling Hands at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (YkUew)
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>>>etting close to 20% of the black population will destroy any chance a Dem has of getting elected. Its a reality TV world, we just live in it.
yeah i don't really buy that. i can't prove you're wrong, and i know a poll claimed something liek this (but with these subgroups, like blacks, who make up a small subset of the population, the Margins of Error zoom into huge double-digit numbers), but I just can't see more than 10-12% blacks moving off the Democrat planation, same as it always is.
yeah i don't really buy that. i can't prove you're wrong, and i know a poll claimed something liek this (but with these subgroups, like blacks, who make up a small subset of the population, the Margins of Error zoom into huge double-digit numbers), but I just can't see more than 10-12% blacks moving off the Democrat planation, same as it always is.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (dciA+)
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Optimal sequence :
Trump humiliates and destroys the GOPe and their pack of cynical bullshit artists.
Trump falls into a volcano.
*conservatarian candidate bravely steps into the breach, wins office, saves the nation.
I win the powerball lottery.
Trump humiliates and destroys the GOPe and their pack of cynical bullshit artists.
Trump falls into a volcano.
*conservatarian candidate bravely steps into the breach, wins office, saves the nation.
I win the powerball lottery.
Posted by: Jaws at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (Jktp1)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (qCMvj)
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I threw my hands up and surrendered back in November 2012 when Obama was reelected. Here we are four years later (ok, three and counting) and some folks are saying that if the GOP nominates somebody they don't like then it's over and they won't play the game anymore.
Ya. ok. What alternate reality have you been living in these last three years? You really think your guy, whomever it might be, will make any difference when 51% of the voters want what Obama is giving them?
Ya. ok. What alternate reality have you been living in these last three years? You really think your guy, whomever it might be, will make any difference when 51% of the voters want what Obama is giving them?
Posted by: Randull Hultguunson at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (BzTuX)
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That's the story every year. Nobody was genuinely excited about a Mitt Romney presidency.
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I actually was. And I know a lot of people who were, too.
In fact, every week or so, someone I know will bring up Romney and how they wished he were POTUS.
But, you know, Pauline Kael-like bubbles and such.
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I actually was. And I know a lot of people who were, too.
In fact, every week or so, someone I know will bring up Romney and how they wished he were POTUS.
But, you know, Pauline Kael-like bubbles and such.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (VAsIq)
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Scott Adams nails it down.
Link needs to be repeated: http://tinyurl.com/nc59g4c
(blog.dilbert.com)
He's speaking directly into our heads and repeating what we're already thinking have thought or will think.
We've just been to "polite", PC to actually SAY anything.
I'd bet half the journalists covering Trump agree with most of what he's said too.
Link needs to be repeated: http://tinyurl.com/nc59g4c
(blog.dilbert.com)
He's speaking directly into our heads and repeating what we're already thinking have thought or will think.
We've just been to "polite", PC to actually SAY anything.
I'd bet half the journalists covering Trump agree with most of what he's said too.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (x3GpS)
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Let's not forget that m'kay?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
Women are absolutely brutal to each other but that is not the subject here.
My point was about a male candidate making disparaging remarks on a woman candidates looks is in my opinion stupid and crass.
If Fiorina makes a statement along the lines of "A howler monkey has better looks, breath, and sex appeal than a Donald Trump" than I would feel the same way - stupid and crass.
I can see from reading some comments here that some of the horde don't care and want Trump to keep being Trump. Fair enough - just be careful of what you wish for.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
Women are absolutely brutal to each other but that is not the subject here.
My point was about a male candidate making disparaging remarks on a woman candidates looks is in my opinion stupid and crass.
If Fiorina makes a statement along the lines of "A howler monkey has better looks, breath, and sex appeal than a Donald Trump" than I would feel the same way - stupid and crass.
I can see from reading some comments here that some of the horde don't care and want Trump to keep being Trump. Fair enough - just be careful of what you wish for.
Posted by: Cheri at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (oiNtH)
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But to me this comment is getting blown out of proportion...
Unpossible!
Trump said "ugly face"!
Somewhere...
Unpossible!
Trump said "ugly face"!
Somewhere...
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (ab6JC)
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>>>Interesting mostly because you seem to find the GOP as still having respectability, Ace.
um, no, I'm saying individual voters crave respectability.
um, no, I'm saying individual voters crave respectability.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (dciA+)
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The middle class are the people who don't work and get EBT.
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (zJ9UW)
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What Trump's mouth says about his worthless hack GOPe opponents will not destroy him--it won't even weaken him.
Continuing to wax 'humanitarian' about Muslim orcs will.
Continuing to wax 'humanitarian' about Muslim orcs will.
Posted by: Bildung at September 10, 2015 12:51 PM (za0BN)
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By the way as for this 1/3rd number I sort of question that at the moment. CNN poll released today as the very upset if got nomination\will not vote for number for him among R's at... Trump 18% you know who's marginally got a worse number? Jeb @ 21%.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 10, 2015 12:51 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Jan at September 10, 2015 12:51 PM (4vXIq)
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i lapse. Though I'm not a Republican, I sure would like to not have Hillary or Sanders be president.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:42 PM (dciA+)
And this is why the GOP feels perfectly fine doing failure theater and moving farther and farther, and more openly, left.
Because it knows people will vote GOP when the time comes.
Not saying you have to back Trump. But the idea that you are going to pull the lever for Jeb, for instance, if he is the candidate tells me you are not serious about changing the GOP.
I've been saying it at this site and others for over 6 years now. The GOP will never change if we keep voting for it no matter what. As long as we tell ourselves we have to vote for the lesser evil, the GOP will always move further left.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:42 PM (dciA+)
And this is why the GOP feels perfectly fine doing failure theater and moving farther and farther, and more openly, left.
Because it knows people will vote GOP when the time comes.
Not saying you have to back Trump. But the idea that you are going to pull the lever for Jeb, for instance, if he is the candidate tells me you are not serious about changing the GOP.
I've been saying it at this site and others for over 6 years now. The GOP will never change if we keep voting for it no matter what. As long as we tell ourselves we have to vote for the lesser evil, the GOP will always move further left.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 10, 2015 12:51 PM (3ZtZW)
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At all the polling stations in Nov 2016, large signs will be posted above each ballot booth:
NO UGLIES ALLOWED
NO UGLIES ALLOWED
Posted by: zombie at September 10, 2015 12:51 PM (jBuUi)
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"I'd like to see a poll limited to likely Republican primary voters.
Lots of Trump support may be coming from people that won't matter."
I'd love to see a poll of Republican primary voters. Leave "likely" out of it. Likely = those who may or may not jump off the train.
Lots of Trump support may be coming from people that won't matter."
I'd love to see a poll of Republican primary voters. Leave "likely" out of it. Likely = those who may or may not jump off the train.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2015 12:52 PM (qjfjx)
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374 Middle Class Respectability
I vaguely remember you.
Posted by: Victorian Era at September 10, 2015 12:51 PM (YYJjz)
Don't even. I've read your pr0n..
I vaguely remember you.
Posted by: Victorian Era at September 10, 2015 12:51 PM (YYJjz)
Don't even. I've read your pr0n..
Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2015 12:52 PM (2Ojst)
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Interesting mostly because you seem to find the GOP as still having respectability, Ace.
Posted by: Bigby's Snake handling Hands
I'm guessing he finds *individuals* respectable, not organizations.
Then again, ace can speak for himself.
Posted by: Bigby's Snake handling Hands
I'm guessing he finds *individuals* respectable, not organizations.
Then again, ace can speak for himself.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 10, 2015 12:52 PM (VAsIq)
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"McDaniel won the primary"
Well, he would have won if they had only counted Republican votes.
Posted by: Brewdog
And Gore would have won the presidency if they had only counted the popular votes.
Well, he would have won if they had only counted Republican votes.
Posted by: Brewdog
And Gore would have won the presidency if they had only counted the popular votes.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 10, 2015 12:52 PM (W5DcG)
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*conservatarian candidate bravely steps into the breach, wins office, saves the nation.
I don't think that would work. Nobody who needs Trump's help to destroy the GOP would be tough enough to handle our spending issues or the world at large.
I don't think that would work. Nobody who needs Trump's help to destroy the GOP would be tough enough to handle our spending issues or the world at large.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 10, 2015 12:52 PM (bxoVs)
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It is possible and not in-congruent to not like Trump and hate the GOPe.
OTOH there are only 2 candidates that I know of that I believe say what they actually believe (Rand and Sanders) but which will never be elected prez.
The boning will continue.
It is possible and not in-congruent to not like Trump and hate the GOPe.
OTOH there are only 2 candidates that I know of that I believe say what they actually believe (Rand and Sanders) but which will never be elected prez.
The boning will continue.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 10, 2015 12:52 PM (ODxAs)
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348 Thus the wisdom of the Cruz strategy: riding the Trump Tiger until it
falls into the pit trap, and then jumping off and bragging about how he
rode while others ran away.
That's my take too, Ray, and his chances of it paying off are Yuuuuge.
falls into the pit trap, and then jumping off and bragging about how he
rode while others ran away.
That's my take too, Ray, and his chances of it paying off are Yuuuuge.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 10, 2015 12:53 PM (gyKtp)
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>>>So, again, maybe I'm giving Trump too much credit here, but to me he seems to be treating this election as a sales presentation.
and when the salesman comes in and says "Your wife is ugly, you know that, right?" he's generally thought to have fared poorly at the pitch.
and when the salesman comes in and says "Your wife is ugly, you know that, right?" he's generally thought to have fared poorly at the pitch.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:53 PM (dciA+)
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Trump said that he can see ugly Russian chicks from his house.
Posted by: zombie at September 10, 2015 12:53 PM (jBuUi)
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>>>Perhaps because ace's point has nothing to do with that particular elephant. He's certainly acknowledged it in the past--it just has nothing to do with his point in this post.
I don't know if it has anything to do with the post.
It has everything to do with the topic the post is discussing.
There are not merely ideologues who will overlook his anti-respectability, there are the non-respectable who will overlook his ideology. Just as the "style" critique hurts him with the Respectable Middle, there is an inverse. People who like his irreverent style.
Ace seems upset that he's not pandering to the "high influential" (INDEED!) RMC cohort. But again, more than being highly influential, it is they who control it. It's their system. PC is their class thing. Construction workers (who might be middle class but aren't respectable) certainly don't have the same mores.
How can Ace be upset an anti-RMC candidate is anti-RMC? I don't know.
To the extent no one can win without influential RMC support, it is because this is their system. Not going for the RMC support is what makes him the outsider, the rebel. All the people cheering because he takes a torch to the political class? It is those RMC mores they are cheering him torching. If he was going for the same middle class respectable vote he'd be just like all the rest of the candidates.
I don't know if it has anything to do with the post.
It has everything to do with the topic the post is discussing.
There are not merely ideologues who will overlook his anti-respectability, there are the non-respectable who will overlook his ideology. Just as the "style" critique hurts him with the Respectable Middle, there is an inverse. People who like his irreverent style.
Ace seems upset that he's not pandering to the "high influential" (INDEED!) RMC cohort. But again, more than being highly influential, it is they who control it. It's their system. PC is their class thing. Construction workers (who might be middle class but aren't respectable) certainly don't have the same mores.
How can Ace be upset an anti-RMC candidate is anti-RMC? I don't know.
To the extent no one can win without influential RMC support, it is because this is their system. Not going for the RMC support is what makes him the outsider, the rebel. All the people cheering because he takes a torch to the political class? It is those RMC mores they are cheering him torching. If he was going for the same middle class respectable vote he'd be just like all the rest of the candidates.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 10, 2015 12:53 PM (TULs6)
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I also enjoy Trump's brave assessment that a world-class, ground-breaking in his field neurosurgeon might be an "okay doctor."
Brave, that Trump. Calls 'em like he sees them, that guy.
Brave, that Trump. Calls 'em like he sees them, that guy.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 10, 2015 12:53 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:53 PM (qCMvj)
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@118 It was a crude putdown. It shows some bad judgment. But will enough people look at it and decide that it's over the line? And if so, why? Is an offhand, stupid comment in private conversation enough to eliminate someone from contention for good? And if it is, how do we apply that rule going forward?
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I think you're only getting half of Ace's point. His point was that not only is the put down a rather stupid one, but that Trump's probably going to keep making those kinds of put downs because he doesn't learn. So while one such put down might get past the voters, he's probably going to keep doing it until they notice.
And on a related note, Trump can't seem to come up with substantive put downs for Fiorina. The previous one that I'd heard was a comment from him saying that when he listened to her speeches for more than a couple of minutes, it gave him a headache. It seems he's unable to attack her on policy specifics, so he keeps trying to make cheap shots that just demean her without saying anything substantive.
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I think you're only getting half of Ace's point. His point was that not only is the put down a rather stupid one, but that Trump's probably going to keep making those kinds of put downs because he doesn't learn. So while one such put down might get past the voters, he's probably going to keep doing it until they notice.
And on a related note, Trump can't seem to come up with substantive put downs for Fiorina. The previous one that I'd heard was a comment from him saying that when he listened to her speeches for more than a couple of minutes, it gave him a headache. It seems he's unable to attack her on policy specifics, so he keeps trying to make cheap shots that just demean her without saying anything substantive.
Posted by: junior at September 10, 2015 12:53 PM (3uPSc)
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Trump made a bad move ... but not a fatal mistake.
My guess ? Go read up on some of the 1800s elections, for a preview of how nasty both primaries and the general will get. This election will turn many of you off to politics for good.
My guess ? Go read up on some of the 1800s elections, for a preview of how nasty both primaries and the general will get. This election will turn many of you off to politics for good.
Posted by: Irony at September 10, 2015 12:53 PM (E5dnG)
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Hot male cheerleaders:
http://carlygoogles.blogspot.com/2011/12/how-many-us-presidents-were-also.html
http://carlygoogles.blogspot.com/2011/12/how-many-us-presidents-were-also.html
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 10, 2015 12:54 PM (JtwS4)
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The band of the banned will expand!
Posted by: Hillary! at September 10, 2015 12:54 PM (SB4N+)
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Good news everyone, the proof copy of Golden Isis arrived today. Got a few things to tweak, but soon you will be able to purchase a real book. 
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 10, 2015 12:54 PM (9tnUZ)
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So, again, maybe I'm giving Trump too much credit here, but to me he seems to be treating this election as a sales presentation.
and when the salesman comes in and says "Your wife is ugly, you know that, right?" he's generally thought to have fared poorly at the pitch.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:53 PM (dciA+)
depends who's he's talking to
boys will be boys, after all
and when the salesman comes in and says "Your wife is ugly, you know that, right?" he's generally thought to have fared poorly at the pitch.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:53 PM (dciA+)
depends who's he's talking to
boys will be boys, after all
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:54 PM (qCMvj)
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Is Carly Purina a witch?
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 10, 2015 12:54 PM (zJ9UW)
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>>>I'm guessing he finds *individuals* respectable, not organizations.
it's not even that I find them respectable. I'm saying they find themselves respectable, and will not take actions that reduce their self-assessed respectability.
I didn't think this was all that abstruse.
it's not even that I find them respectable. I'm saying they find themselves respectable, and will not take actions that reduce their self-assessed respectability.
I didn't think this was all that abstruse.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:54 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Fatman at September 10, 2015 12:54 PM (mcm0N)
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where are these former republican voters? I know nothing at all about that type of former republican voter, nothing at all.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:46 PM (dciA+)
Heh. I left the R party in 2007 in despair over the lack of fiscal responsibility. Then I proceed to vote for McCain and Romney. Now I enjoy Trump's diversions, hope for Cruz and will probably get Jeb.
Ugh.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:46 PM (dciA+)
Heh. I left the R party in 2007 in despair over the lack of fiscal responsibility. Then I proceed to vote for McCain and Romney. Now I enjoy Trump's diversions, hope for Cruz and will probably get Jeb.
Ugh.
Posted by: Meremortal at September 10, 2015 12:55 PM (1Y+hH)
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and when the salesman comes in and says "Your wife is ugly, you know that, right?" he's generally thought to have fared poorly at the pitch.
He said, "the salesman after me is ugly."
Not sure how that affects the sale's pitch.
He said, "the salesman after me is ugly."
Not sure how that affects the sale's pitch.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 10, 2015 12:55 PM (bxoVs)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2015 12:55 PM (qjfjx)
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Most of Trump support seems to come from people who rather have someone call democrats assholes and risk losing than vote for a supposedly "more electable" republican like they have been for years.
Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarian at September 10, 2015 12:55 PM (gJMOF)
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Worked on a casino acquisition where Trump was on the other side. I always wondered if his antics were an act for the cameras, or if he was that way all the time. Well, it did not take long to realize that was no act, but that he was as overbearing, crude and arrogant behind closed doors too. Made his New York MA attorneys seem nice by comparison, and they were not about to contradict their client or tell him he was crossing any line. That said, he is very smart and quick to analyze a situation.
I imagine if the press was successful in characterizing George W. Bush as 'divisive' after a couple of years (despite his reaching out to Teddy Kennedy and Bush's record in Texas with Bullock and other Dems) that they would have a field day going after how Trump was destroying U.S credibility and relationships, etc.
I like more than half of what Trump says and the fact that he doesn't give a damn what Democrats and the media think. Cruz is similar, but does so in a less confrontational way. Miss Lindsey, Jeb! and that Democrat Kasich are quite the opposite and epitomize what is wrong with the 'mainstream' GOP.
I imagine if the press was successful in characterizing George W. Bush as 'divisive' after a couple of years (despite his reaching out to Teddy Kennedy and Bush's record in Texas with Bullock and other Dems) that they would have a field day going after how Trump was destroying U.S credibility and relationships, etc.
I like more than half of what Trump says and the fact that he doesn't give a damn what Democrats and the media think. Cruz is similar, but does so in a less confrontational way. Miss Lindsey, Jeb! and that Democrat Kasich are quite the opposite and epitomize what is wrong with the 'mainstream' GOP.
Posted by: Rachel Jeantel at September 10, 2015 12:55 PM (y5bPZ)
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Hot male cheerleaders:
http://carlygoogles.blogspot.com/2011/12/how-many-us-presidents-were-also.html
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 10, 2015 12:54 PM (JtwS4)
oh my
http://carlygoogles.blogspot.com/2011/12/how-many-us-presidents-were-also.html
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 10, 2015 12:54 PM (JtwS4)
oh my
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:55 PM (qCMvj)
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etting close to 20% of the black population will destroy any chance a Dem has of getting elected. Its a reality TV world, we just live in it.
yeah i don't really buy that. i can't prove you're wrong, and i know a poll claimed something liek this (but with these subgroups, like blacks, who make up a small subset of the population, the Margins of Error zoom into huge double-digit numbers), but I just can't see more than 10-12% blacks moving off the Democrat planation, same as it always is.
Posted by: ace
I think that is a good point, and whenever I see any poll regarding minorities, it's very easy to make wild assumptions about public policy when the reality is like 10 individuals of color answered a phone call a certain way.
I just don't think blacks will vote Republicans, we keep hearing how religious they are, how opposed to gay marriage, abortion, illegal immigration, etc yet they just keep voting Democrat at around a 90% clip.
Is Trump wanting a wall going to do it? I doubt it.
yeah i don't really buy that. i can't prove you're wrong, and i know a poll claimed something liek this (but with these subgroups, like blacks, who make up a small subset of the population, the Margins of Error zoom into huge double-digit numbers), but I just can't see more than 10-12% blacks moving off the Democrat planation, same as it always is.
Posted by: ace
I think that is a good point, and whenever I see any poll regarding minorities, it's very easy to make wild assumptions about public policy when the reality is like 10 individuals of color answered a phone call a certain way.
I just don't think blacks will vote Republicans, we keep hearing how religious they are, how opposed to gay marriage, abortion, illegal immigration, etc yet they just keep voting Democrat at around a 90% clip.
Is Trump wanting a wall going to do it? I doubt it.
Posted by: Coolio at September 10, 2015 12:55 PM (/Py5b)
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>>> It seems he's unable to attack her on policy specifics, so he keeps trying to make cheap shots that just demean her without saying anything substantive.
he did go after her on her HP experience, which is fair game, though he wasn't particulary informed about it. He knew the bullet points.
he did go after her on her HP experience, which is fair game, though he wasn't particulary informed about it. He knew the bullet points.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:55 PM (dciA+)
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I remember how shocked I was when I saw Latinos booing the USA team vs. Mexico in men's soccer. In Los Angeles.
Yeah, we are long past the faux civility.
Yeah, we are long past the faux civility.
Posted by: navybrat at September 10, 2015 12:55 PM (ETxiG)
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>>>trump, the candidate with balls enough to push back against Carly Fiorino's ugly face
Thank you.
Thank you.
Posted by: franksalterego at September 10, 2015 12:55 PM (Fh+WR)
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Ace, you're just flat out dead wrong. Trump is a media celebrity. He's been on female-driven talk shows since the 1980s, he knows by now instinctively what plays in the press. And what people really feel apart from what they clap like seals for the uber-liberal and strange, weird, unrepresentative people in the media: Ellen, Oprah, Colbert, Letterman, etc.
Newsflash, this is not the 1980s even anymore. Attacking Megyn Kelly works. She's a piece of work like Rosie O'Donnell, just prettier. And his line was great. Sure, "Cuckservatives" like El Jebe! will object but they won't vote for Trump anyway.
Trump is popular because he's seizing the immigration issue, THE big issue in America. Nothing else matters if we invite half the Third World, we WILL BE THE THIRD WORLD. Trump as a "National Liberal," in the mode of say JFK or Ike, is as good as it gets. No other candidate will say or do the things he proposes to stop the Immavasion of millions of Third World people who form cheap labor for corporations and social costs for the average person, sky-high taxes to support that cheap labor and cultural transformation into a melange of Mexico and Central America.
Trump ALONE understands by riding that issue he can be President. The rest, Jindal, El Jebe, iCarly, Magic Negro 2.0, all buy into Open Borders abolition of America into a Third World Judge Dredd type nightmare. El Jebe seems to be running for President of Mexico.
Look at Trump's numbers, he's pulling 25% of Blacks. Why? Immigration! Sky third world immigration devalues Black labor's market value. That's enough to dent Democrats Black votes AND TURNOUT and flip places like Michigan, Illinois, New York, Pennsylvania which go Democratic based on sky-high Black concentration in cities and sky high Black turnout/voting for Dems. Just depressing Black turnout for Dems alone can flip these states and many like them: Maryland, Virginia, Ohio.
Yes Trump is a Liberal. He's also a Nationalist. That latter overrides any and everything else about him that conservatives might find objectionable. People are either serious about saving what is left of America or they want to live with MS-13. Trump is your only choice to avoid the latter.
[Most women actually despise the weird, twisted, flawed mediatainment bimbos like Kelly who act like Media Mean Girls flaunting how much prettier, more successful, and more romantically winners they are versus the typical overweight to fat female voter. Most men have ill concealed contempt for an aging formerly hot chick with overt contempt for Beta Males and a snotty attitude combined with a formerly hot chick's mind: mediocre at best and elitism/sneering.
Trumps mouth has been navigating this media circus for thirty years. Either he got stupid or the Professional Consultant Class is a bunch of losers who have not won entirely winnable elections in 2008 and 2012. Take your pick.]
Newsflash, this is not the 1980s even anymore. Attacking Megyn Kelly works. She's a piece of work like Rosie O'Donnell, just prettier. And his line was great. Sure, "Cuckservatives" like El Jebe! will object but they won't vote for Trump anyway.
Trump is popular because he's seizing the immigration issue, THE big issue in America. Nothing else matters if we invite half the Third World, we WILL BE THE THIRD WORLD. Trump as a "National Liberal," in the mode of say JFK or Ike, is as good as it gets. No other candidate will say or do the things he proposes to stop the Immavasion of millions of Third World people who form cheap labor for corporations and social costs for the average person, sky-high taxes to support that cheap labor and cultural transformation into a melange of Mexico and Central America.
Trump ALONE understands by riding that issue he can be President. The rest, Jindal, El Jebe, iCarly, Magic Negro 2.0, all buy into Open Borders abolition of America into a Third World Judge Dredd type nightmare. El Jebe seems to be running for President of Mexico.
Look at Trump's numbers, he's pulling 25% of Blacks. Why? Immigration! Sky third world immigration devalues Black labor's market value. That's enough to dent Democrats Black votes AND TURNOUT and flip places like Michigan, Illinois, New York, Pennsylvania which go Democratic based on sky-high Black concentration in cities and sky high Black turnout/voting for Dems. Just depressing Black turnout for Dems alone can flip these states and many like them: Maryland, Virginia, Ohio.
Yes Trump is a Liberal. He's also a Nationalist. That latter overrides any and everything else about him that conservatives might find objectionable. People are either serious about saving what is left of America or they want to live with MS-13. Trump is your only choice to avoid the latter.
[Most women actually despise the weird, twisted, flawed mediatainment bimbos like Kelly who act like Media Mean Girls flaunting how much prettier, more successful, and more romantically winners they are versus the typical overweight to fat female voter. Most men have ill concealed contempt for an aging formerly hot chick with overt contempt for Beta Males and a snotty attitude combined with a formerly hot chick's mind: mediocre at best and elitism/sneering.
Trumps mouth has been navigating this media circus for thirty years. Either he got stupid or the Professional Consultant Class is a bunch of losers who have not won entirely winnable elections in 2008 and 2012. Take your pick.]
Posted by: Whiskey at September 10, 2015 12:55 PM (PO8w6)
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Yes, Carly should sue her plastic surgeon.
But dissing the appearance of a fellow candidate on your side is awful, if done in public. But if he did it among friends, which the Hotair article seems to indicate on a quick perusal, it's not so bad. People make fun of Hillary all the time.
Note: I wouldn't vote for Trump in a primary. This has always been my ppsition. General election, yes.
But dissing the appearance of a fellow candidate on your side is awful, if done in public. But if he did it among friends, which the Hotair article seems to indicate on a quick perusal, it's not so bad. People make fun of Hillary all the time.
Note: I wouldn't vote for Trump in a primary. This has always been my ppsition. General election, yes.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 10, 2015 12:56 PM (SQkRc)
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I think Perry's campaign is dead.
It got back in the truck.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2015 12:55 PM (qjfjx)
I think it got tied to the top of the truck.
It got back in the truck.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2015 12:55 PM (qjfjx)
I think it got tied to the top of the truck.
Posted by: Deer. Headlights. at September 10, 2015 12:56 PM (qCMvj)
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Could you please point out exactly where Trump called Fiorina "ugly"?
Because I missed that.
Thank you.
Posted by: Mortimer
Could you please point out exactly where Trump called Fiorina "ugly"?
Because I missed that.
Thank you.
Posted by: Mortimer
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 12:56 PM (ab6JC)
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Carly and I once had a relationship. She may not look that great in the morning but in the dark all cats are grey. Speaking of felines: Carly was a wildcat! Made Sally and Lonnie seem like mannequins.
Posted by: Burt Reynolds at September 10, 2015 12:56 PM (nc+gz)
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I'm more bothered by Trump agreeing to an interview with Rolling Stone -- that shows very poor judgment.
I'm more bothered by Trump agreeing to an interview with Rolling Stone -- that shows very poor judgment.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2015 12:56 PM (JPBdn)
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If only Chris Farley were still alive, he could be the one to play Trump in SNL skits, and all the malapropisms he mouths (penned by their toxic progressive "comedy writers") could have been cited for the rest of tike as actual Trump quotes!
Where are you when we need you, Chris?
Where are you when we need you, Chris?
Posted by: zombie at September 10, 2015 12:56 PM (jBuUi)
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Exactly what I meant, torquewrench.
Events have shown that the wildest predictions of whackobird hobbits about exactly how much we had to fear from this administration were, if anything, understated.
I want someone who does not agree with the president on anything.
So far there is only one guy in the race saying what I want to hear.
Smart candidates would learn from that. Ha ha ha, I crack myself up sometimes.
Events have shown that the wildest predictions of whackobird hobbits about exactly how much we had to fear from this administration were, if anything, understated.
I want someone who does not agree with the president on anything.
So far there is only one guy in the race saying what I want to hear.
Smart candidates would learn from that. Ha ha ha, I crack myself up sometimes.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 10, 2015 12:56 PM (go6ud)
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>>>So, again, maybe I'm giving Trump too much credit here, but to me he seems to be treating this election as a sales presentation.
>>>and when the salesman comes in and says "Your wife is ugly, you know that, right?" he's generally thought to have fared poorly at the pitch.
Heh. I was on a sales call this morning with a home owner. I bonded with the home owner (not intentionally, I just did) by attacking the local municipality as being basically a bunch of morons who didn't really know their stuff like I do. He agreed which put us on the same side.
You certainly don't get a sale by calling the customers wife ugly. But you can definitely get a sale by calling the customer's nemesis's wife butt ass ugly.
>>>and when the salesman comes in and says "Your wife is ugly, you know that, right?" he's generally thought to have fared poorly at the pitch.
Heh. I was on a sales call this morning with a home owner. I bonded with the home owner (not intentionally, I just did) by attacking the local municipality as being basically a bunch of morons who didn't really know their stuff like I do. He agreed which put us on the same side.
You certainly don't get a sale by calling the customers wife ugly. But you can definitely get a sale by calling the customer's nemesis's wife butt ass ugly.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 10, 2015 12:56 PM (TULs6)
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>>>>
I just don't think blacks will vote Republicans, we keep hearing how religious they are, how opposed to gay marriage, abortion, illegal immigration, etc yet they just keep voting Democrat at around a 90% clip.
Is Trump wanting a wall going to do it? I doubt it.
...
yeah and hispanics and Muslims are religious so they're 'natural conservatives" and we know how that story goes right?
I just don't think blacks will vote Republicans, we keep hearing how religious they are, how opposed to gay marriage, abortion, illegal immigration, etc yet they just keep voting Democrat at around a 90% clip.
Is Trump wanting a wall going to do it? I doubt it.
...
yeah and hispanics and Muslims are religious so they're 'natural conservatives" and we know how that story goes right?
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:56 PM (dciA+)
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If Trump was a Moron, and I mean one of Us, He would be banned for personal attacks... He needs some serious work in that department...
Posted by: donna at September 10, 2015 12:56 PM (hUdMz)
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i lapse. Though I'm not a Republican, I sure would like to not have Hillary or Sanders be president.
Posted by: ace
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Ah. That.
I have stated here repeatedly that the issue is who is going to be President, not[/] , sadly, who we might like/i] as President.
As the system exists, and that is a reality, it will be candidate A. or candidate B.
If I must choose between two seemingly equal ratty used cars, I still will make the choice that I think best. To get huffy because that is my circumstance and say, "I'm better off walking" is denial of reality.
The election will not be about my character, it will be about who is going to be President. Nose hold, I will.
Posted by: ace
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Ah. That.
I have stated here repeatedly that the issue is who is going to be President, not[/] , sadly, who we might like/i] as President.
As the system exists, and that is a reality, it will be candidate A. or candidate B.
If I must choose between two seemingly equal ratty used cars, I still will make the choice that I think best. To get huffy because that is my circumstance and say, "I'm better off walking" is denial of reality.
The election will not be about my character, it will be about who is going to be President. Nose hold, I will.
Posted by: Republicans, channeling Leon Russell at September 10, 2015 12:56 PM (9mTYi)
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Nevertheless, I disbelieve on the one issue he has, immigration, he will live up to his rhetoric.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 10, 2015 12:45 PM (ODxAs)
Being Trump, there is a real chance he will do the opposite of every thing he says, if it serves his purpose.
But on immigration, I think he's doing the classic Reframe the Debate: Start with A Wall and Full Deportation and negotiate down to fences, drones and partial deport for the win.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 10, 2015 12:45 PM (ODxAs)
Being Trump, there is a real chance he will do the opposite of every thing he says, if it serves his purpose.
But on immigration, I think he's doing the classic Reframe the Debate: Start with A Wall and Full Deportation and negotiate down to fences, drones and partial deport for the win.
Posted by: CJ at September 10, 2015 12:56 PM (9KqcB)
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The smart money was always on him saying something that crossed the line and tanked his polling. I'm just not sure this is the worst he will do...this month.
Posted by: redsweater at September 10, 2015 12:07 PM (v8Svi)
I dunno. There was part of that same Rolling Stoneinterview where Trump said he'd bang his beautiful daughter if she wasn't his daughter. Weird, pervy-creepyshit like thatwould normally torpedo a campaign but I'm sure any minute now Trump supporters will just shrug and say, 'Trump being Trump'.
Okay, if that's the argument; that is, if Trump is just being Who He Is, all authentic and shit, then what if Who He Isis a weird, perverted rat bastard who likes to fantasize about banging his own daugther? Are you down withthat? You think a man like that should be President?
I'm guessing your answer is yes because you've jumped in to defend every damned hateful, wrong and stupid thing he's said and done so far.
Posted by: redsweater at September 10, 2015 12:07 PM (v8Svi)
I dunno. There was part of that same Rolling Stoneinterview where Trump said he'd bang his beautiful daughter if she wasn't his daughter. Weird, pervy-creepyshit like thatwould normally torpedo a campaign but I'm sure any minute now Trump supporters will just shrug and say, 'Trump being Trump'.
Okay, if that's the argument; that is, if Trump is just being Who He Is, all authentic and shit, then what if Who He Isis a weird, perverted rat bastard who likes to fantasize about banging his own daugther? Are you down withthat? You think a man like that should be President?
I'm guessing your answer is yes because you've jumped in to defend every damned hateful, wrong and stupid thing he's said and done so far.
Posted by: troyriser at September 10, 2015 12:56 PM (UWlp+)
Posted by: Republicans, channeling Leon Russell at September 10, 2015 12:56 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 10, 2015 12:56 PM (S32rP)
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So trump calls Hillary a fat ugly twatburger.......seriously what are we really worried about losing California by 3 more percentage points? They called McCain a murderer, accuses Bush of killing 3000 Americans, and accused Romney of felonies from the floor of the senate.
Wake me when he says something on that level.
Wake me when he says something on that level.
Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarian at September 10, 2015 12:56 PM (gJMOF)
Posted by: Bigby's Snake handling Hands at September 10, 2015 12:57 PM (YkUew)
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348 Thus the wisdom of the Cruz strategy: riding the Trump Tiger until it falls into the pit trap, and then jumping off and bragging about how he rode while others ran away.
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You forget two things though - (1) Trump has an yuugge ego and (2) Trump has a yuuugggee bank account. Methinks Cruz is smart - he can get to be VP or Pres depending on how Trump rises or falls. Neat thinking. You know he can't count on GOPe or Manhattan Media for a fair shake. Smart.
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You forget two things though - (1) Trump has an yuugge ego and (2) Trump has a yuuugggee bank account. Methinks Cruz is smart - he can get to be VP or Pres depending on how Trump rises or falls. Neat thinking. You know he can't count on GOPe or Manhattan Media for a fair shake. Smart.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2015 12:57 PM (oDCMR)
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"And besides, even our coalition, intact, LOSES presidential elections.
We need our coalition PLUS new voters. Losing one third of it makes it more or less impossible to win an election. "
I'm resigned to losing yet again once the RNC have swindled their way through the field. What's left now is just to point and laugh.
We need our coalition PLUS new voters. Losing one third of it makes it more or less impossible to win an election. "
I'm resigned to losing yet again once the RNC have swindled their way through the field. What's left now is just to point and laugh.
Posted by: Decaf at September 10, 2015 12:57 PM (jILzT)
Posted by: Republicans, channeling Leon Russell at September 10, 2015 12:57 PM (9mTYi)
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Marcia Marcia! Marcia!!
Why is it always Marcia!!
I'm pretty too!!!
Posted by: Jan at September 10, 2015 12:51 PM (4vXIq)
___________________
I know, right? *hic*....
Marcia Marcia! Marcia!!
Why is it always Marcia!!
I'm pretty too!!!
Posted by: Jan at September 10, 2015 12:51 PM (4vXIq)
___________________
I know, right? *hic*....
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 10, 2015 12:57 PM (HSmrB)
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It is Rolling Stone. Rape rape.
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 10, 2015 12:57 PM (zJ9UW)
Posted by: Republicans, channeling Leon Russell at September 10, 2015 12:58 PM (9mTYi)
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This post has made me flesh out and inchoate thought stuck in the back of my head. But Trump and his campaign has solved it for me.
I've wondered why the GOP is selling out its conservative roots. And now I know: they've grown accustomed to the business - and its big - of federal governance. Conservatives want less of it, but they want more. Because it makes them rich.
Democrats, of course, love the business of governance. At all levels. They wallow in it.
This scenario makes it awkward at times for GOP politicians to say one thing and then do another. But what were conservatives to do?
For years, the GOP Establishment has been the Lucy to the conservative base's Charlie Brown - making promises but always pulling the football.
Now, Trump is offering himself up as an alternative holder.
And I like that.
I've wondered why the GOP is selling out its conservative roots. And now I know: they've grown accustomed to the business - and its big - of federal governance. Conservatives want less of it, but they want more. Because it makes them rich.
Democrats, of course, love the business of governance. At all levels. They wallow in it.
This scenario makes it awkward at times for GOP politicians to say one thing and then do another. But what were conservatives to do?
For years, the GOP Establishment has been the Lucy to the conservative base's Charlie Brown - making promises but always pulling the football.
Now, Trump is offering himself up as an alternative holder.
And I like that.
Posted by: MacGruber at September 10, 2015 12:58 PM (sWgE+)
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The premise of the thread seems to be that Trump cannot carry on a stream of consciousness of candor in the public sphere and still win, that ultimately the sheer totality of the output of his less attractive self will destroy his candidacy. I'm not sure this is true. And I think PC has gotten a subconscious grip on us to the point that we think it is true -- or cannot believe that brutal honesty can work. If Trump is really being Trump, and he continues to spew out his honesty good and bad, but still with respect to solutions no one else will talk about, I think a plurality of voters is ready to to carry the day for him.
Posted by: rrpjr at September 10, 2015 12:58 PM (s/yC1)
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If Cruz attacked Trump then Trump would probably call attention to his chin.
Has he? Does he regularly attack men for their looks? For their bleeding-out-the-eyes anger?
If he's an equal-opportunity offender, as my seventies lunch-bucket stickers went, that's one thing (it's still a liability, I think, but I could be wrong). If he's focusing on women for these kinds of attacks, then he's going to anger the left (because he's attacking a privileged group) and the right (because he's a cad).
His list of allies grows thin.
Has he? Does he regularly attack men for their looks? For their bleeding-out-the-eyes anger?
If he's an equal-opportunity offender, as my seventies lunch-bucket stickers went, that's one thing (it's still a liability, I think, but I could be wrong). If he's focusing on women for these kinds of attacks, then he's going to anger the left (because he's attacking a privileged group) and the right (because he's a cad).
His list of allies grows thin.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 10, 2015 12:58 PM (2lndx)
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The surprising thing of all this is how many people are admitting they think Fiorina is ugly.
I mean, she doesn't strike me as a terrible looking woman.
I mean, she doesn't strike me as a terrible looking woman.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 10, 2015 12:58 PM (bxoVs)
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"Scott Adams nails it down."
Yep. Confirms everything I was thinking. Obama has that same skill; the 'kill shot' verbal put down that blindsides you and you have no immediate reply until much later when it is too late.
Yep. Confirms everything I was thinking. Obama has that same skill; the 'kill shot' verbal put down that blindsides you and you have no immediate reply until much later when it is too late.
Posted by: Randull Hultguunson at September 10, 2015 12:58 PM (BzTuX)
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Y'know, having been here for a few cycles, I gotta say that this place loses it's fucking mind every election season. Never do people go so ludicrously over-the-top as when they're screeching about the End of the World being vested in Candidate X.
Posted by: Donald Trump at September 10, 2015 12:58 PM (oVJmc)
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Why does everything with him have to be at the lowest, crudest, ugliest level?
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:29 PM (dciA+)
Trump's the president of Alpha Beta fraternity in Revenge of the Nerds.
His schtick works on TV because "OMG! He's a billionaire but he acts like a Teamster!"
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:29 PM (dciA+)
Trump's the president of Alpha Beta fraternity in Revenge of the Nerds.
His schtick works on TV because "OMG! He's a billionaire but he acts like a Teamster!"
Posted by: AmishDude at September 10, 2015 12:58 PM (JIElb)
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>>>
You certainly don't get a sale by calling the customers wife ugly. But you can definitely get a sale by calling the customer's nemesis's wife butt ass ugly.
what if half the people you're trying to sell to are woman, 90% of whom are too overweight, old, or have too much Bad CarlyFace to be thought of as hot, and the salesman keeps running down all these Not Hot women?
do any of them think, "Hey... I'm also not Hot. Is this guy claiming I don't rate in any aspect of my life because I'm not 25 years old with 13% bodyfat all in my tits and ass?"
You certainly don't get a sale by calling the customers wife ugly. But you can definitely get a sale by calling the customer's nemesis's wife butt ass ugly.
what if half the people you're trying to sell to are woman, 90% of whom are too overweight, old, or have too much Bad CarlyFace to be thought of as hot, and the salesman keeps running down all these Not Hot women?
do any of them think, "Hey... I'm also not Hot. Is this guy claiming I don't rate in any aspect of my life because I'm not 25 years old with 13% bodyfat all in my tits and ass?"
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:58 PM (dciA+)
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Wheras Carson speaks like a true Christian, acts like a Christian, carries himself like a Christian should. When Trump attacks him, he is openly and personally attacking every evangelical voter he is going to need to win this thing.
FYI, every evangelical I know is either putting Ben Carson stickers on their cars, or asking about where they can get some.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2015 12:41 PM (Kpl3J)
There is a secular wing of the GOP coalition... especially in the Western States... and a lot of independents and Libertarian types... who 'have a problem' with a heart on the sleeve Christian Candidate...
Its a double edge sword...
FYI, every evangelical I know is either putting Ben Carson stickers on their cars, or asking about where they can get some.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2015 12:41 PM (Kpl3J)
There is a secular wing of the GOP coalition... especially in the Western States... and a lot of independents and Libertarian types... who 'have a problem' with a heart on the sleeve Christian Candidate...
Its a double edge sword...
Posted by: BB Wolf at September 10, 2015 12:59 PM (qh617)
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361 ... but I just can't see more than 10-12% blacks moving off the Democrat planation, same as it always is.
Posted by: ace
Strictly anecdotal, but I was sitting near to a group of black ladies having an obvious political discussion recently. I couldn't make out sentences, but I did catch two words repeatedly -- Obama and Trump.
Posted by: ace
Strictly anecdotal, but I was sitting near to a group of black ladies having an obvious political discussion recently. I couldn't make out sentences, but I did catch two words repeatedly -- Obama and Trump.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 10, 2015 12:59 PM (gyKtp)
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>>> The surprising thing of all this is how many people are admitting they think Fiorina is ugly.
I mean, she doesn't strike me as a terrible looking woman.
...
i don't think she's ugly at all. Certainly she's not of the category of woman who trump would divorce a wife for.
I mean, she doesn't strike me as a terrible looking woman.
...
i don't think she's ugly at all. Certainly she's not of the category of woman who trump would divorce a wife for.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:59 PM (dciA+)
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See Scott Adam's dilbert blog. Trump didn't call her ugly. He called out something about her face that a lot of people feel. "Angry wife face" or something similar, that you feel, but don't want to articulate.
So to answer the original question of the post: no, it won't kill him, not this time, and never if he continues to deliver these shots as effectively as he has been.
Scott's post: http://bit.ly/1L4pHbt
So to answer the original question of the post: no, it won't kill him, not this time, and never if he continues to deliver these shots as effectively as he has been.
Scott's post: http://bit.ly/1L4pHbt
Posted by: mtmolehill at September 10, 2015 12:59 PM (tVs4V)
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To bring this discussion to a whole new classy and luxurious level via Broadway-
Donald Trump is a bit like Alfred P Dolittle from the musical "My Fair Lady".
A grand male stallion running wild and free and outraging the Middle Class Moralists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Sj9o7DWJU
But, unfortunately Ace would see The Donald constrained by Middle Class Morality,
and here you can see and hear the results from poor Alfred's own mouth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozSNCqGP3yU
Still it's possible that even with a bit of Middle Class Respectability under his belt, The Donald will appear on his Inauguration Day like so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPfW0Wc5hxI
Still the same underneath, but with a new classy and fabulous veneer and ready to go be President.
Donald Trump is a bit like Alfred P Dolittle from the musical "My Fair Lady".
A grand male stallion running wild and free and outraging the Middle Class Moralists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Sj9o7DWJU
But, unfortunately Ace would see The Donald constrained by Middle Class Morality,
and here you can see and hear the results from poor Alfred's own mouth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozSNCqGP3yU
Still it's possible that even with a bit of Middle Class Respectability under his belt, The Donald will appear on his Inauguration Day like so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPfW0Wc5hxI
Still the same underneath, but with a new classy and fabulous veneer and ready to go be President.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 10, 2015 01:00 PM (0cMkb)
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Uh oh, could be a rainy, soggy game tonight in Foxborough.
Posted by: logprof at September 10, 2015 01:00 PM (vsbNu)
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his attack wasn't a public one....he didn't make it at a microphone....a magazine, not known for truthful reporting made the comment public.....at least he didn't deny saying it.....trump is who he is....more importantly HE KNOWS WHO HE IS...and that is what i think makes most of his detractors uncomfortable...because they don't know who they are..... KNOW THYSELF!!! not by your hands either....dirty thinkers!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 10, 2015 01:00 PM (0O7c5)
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Trump is a viewed as a nouveau riche buffoon by many. Back in the 1980s, when he had his first(maybe) bankruptcy, I figured it was because he was disturbed that criticism. Because he had acted in ways contrary to what he wrote about in "The Art of the Deal". Now though, I think he knows that no matter what he says, or how he acts, he will never be accepted by that group of people, so he not only feels free to act like a buffoon, he WANTS to act like one. Because he's got "fuck you" money. And when you have that kind of money, you're able to live the dream of not caring what people think about you. At all.
I say this as someone who cannot see myself actually voting for Trump. He seems to be a dangerous clown. However, I have enjoyed watching him suck all of the O2 out of Jeb's campaign. Watching the next Bush scion flop about like a fish on dry land has been quite pleasurable. So now either the preferred candidate gets clubbed like a baby seal and quits the race, OR the GOP smart set breaks all the rules and shoves in their candidate of choice regardless of the actual votes. Either way, the DC GOP loses. I will say that the second choice would be better because the Republican party, as it's currently constituted, would die overnight. But I'll take the first choice as a fun consolation prize.
I say this as someone who cannot see myself actually voting for Trump. He seems to be a dangerous clown. However, I have enjoyed watching him suck all of the O2 out of Jeb's campaign. Watching the next Bush scion flop about like a fish on dry land has been quite pleasurable. So now either the preferred candidate gets clubbed like a baby seal and quits the race, OR the GOP smart set breaks all the rules and shoves in their candidate of choice regardless of the actual votes. Either way, the DC GOP loses. I will say that the second choice would be better because the Republican party, as it's currently constituted, would die overnight. But I'll take the first choice as a fun consolation prize.
Posted by: physics geek at September 10, 2015 01:00 PM (MT22W)
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and when the salesman comes in and says "Your wife is ugly, you know that, right?" he's generally thought to have fared poorly at the pitch.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:53 PM (dciA+)
Well... depends on what he's selling to who. Attacking someones wife is kind of a personal attack.
Suggesting a competitors product (which, when it boils down to it, is what campaigns are -- people selling a product -- themselves) is not aesthetically pleasing or is substandard while not saying it and allowing the potential customer to make his own inferences is a pretty common sales method.
"Yeah, yeah, abc corp makes a decent product -- but I mean, have you really looked at it and thought about how it would look in your gorgeous, classy, company here?" is a pretty sales 101 trick.
If you come out and say "their product sucks and looks like shit" people roll their eyes and go on the defensive and feel that they're being "sold to" by a cheesy salesman.
But by allowing the potential customer to make that conclusion "on their own" in a "in the gut" way, ... well, it's hard to talk someone out of something talking about speeds and feeds when they have an emotional thought that "jeez, that product looks shitty" going on in their mind at the time.
Even if your product looks just as shitty.
Maybe I'm wrong on this, I just see a lot of parallels between Trumps approach to things to basically every "sales method" out there.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:53 PM (dciA+)
Well... depends on what he's selling to who. Attacking someones wife is kind of a personal attack.
Suggesting a competitors product (which, when it boils down to it, is what campaigns are -- people selling a product -- themselves) is not aesthetically pleasing or is substandard while not saying it and allowing the potential customer to make his own inferences is a pretty common sales method.
"Yeah, yeah, abc corp makes a decent product -- but I mean, have you really looked at it and thought about how it would look in your gorgeous, classy, company here?" is a pretty sales 101 trick.
If you come out and say "their product sucks and looks like shit" people roll their eyes and go on the defensive and feel that they're being "sold to" by a cheesy salesman.
But by allowing the potential customer to make that conclusion "on their own" in a "in the gut" way, ... well, it's hard to talk someone out of something talking about speeds and feeds when they have an emotional thought that "jeez, that product looks shitty" going on in their mind at the time.
Even if your product looks just as shitty.
Maybe I'm wrong on this, I just see a lot of parallels between Trumps approach to things to basically every "sales method" out there.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 10, 2015 01:00 PM (AkOaV)
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Trumps problem is he thinks He's on The Apprentice.... No Donald You can't fire everyone by name calling...
Posted by: donna at September 10, 2015 01:01 PM (hUdMz)
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Trump didn't call her ugly. He called out something about her face that a lot of people feel. "Angry wife face" or something similar
Fiorina has "Resting CEO Face."
Fiorina has "Resting CEO Face."
Posted by: zombie at September 10, 2015 01:01 PM (jBuUi)
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418 Nevertheless, I disbelieve on the one issue he has, immigration, he will live up to his rhetoric.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 10, 2015 12:45 PM (ODxAs)
Being Trump, there is a real chance he will do the opposite of every thing he says, if it serves his purpose.
But on immigration, I think he's doing the classic Reframe the Debate: Start with A Wall and Full Deportation and negotiate down to fences, drones and partial deport for the win.
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Totes Disagree - this is why:
Doing what he says is the ultimate finger to the establishment (this trait is strong in the Trump)
He is old and has already conquered business and media - he wants a real legacy
He wants to be a Hero - thus the Hercules and Augean Stables that is Immigration Anarchy and Law and Order - Because of this he will never cut half a loaf. See Putin for an example.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 10, 2015 12:45 PM (ODxAs)
Being Trump, there is a real chance he will do the opposite of every thing he says, if it serves his purpose.
But on immigration, I think he's doing the classic Reframe the Debate: Start with A Wall and Full Deportation and negotiate down to fences, drones and partial deport for the win.
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Totes Disagree - this is why:
Doing what he says is the ultimate finger to the establishment (this trait is strong in the Trump)
He is old and has already conquered business and media - he wants a real legacy
He wants to be a Hero - thus the Hercules and Augean Stables that is Immigration Anarchy and Law and Order - Because of this he will never cut half a loaf. See Putin for an example.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2015 01:01 PM (oDCMR)
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Not too long ago--like the last election cycle the polls were so wrong they should have been embarrassed.
Now they are telling you about even smaller subsets of voters within a subset of voters. How wrong they could be is probably incalculable.
Now they are telling you about even smaller subsets of voters within a subset of voters. How wrong they could be is probably incalculable.
Posted by: Fatman at September 10, 2015 01:01 PM (mcm0N)
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Right now I am just happily munching my popcorn watching Trump and enjoying the exploding heads. I think Cruz would be a good president. And I think Cruz and Trump are working together at some level.
Posted by: Sambo at September 10, 2015 12:29 PM (9UV3C)
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Agreed on both count. I think back in April they made a you don't attack me, I don't attack you, together lets try and make sure it's just not Jeb or the fat man that gets the nomination type deal.
Right now I am just happily munching my popcorn watching Trump and enjoying the exploding heads. I think Cruz would be a good president. And I think Cruz and Trump are working together at some level.
Posted by: Sambo at September 10, 2015 12:29 PM (9UV3C)
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Agreed on both count. I think back in April they made a you don't attack me, I don't attack you, together lets try and make sure it's just not Jeb or the fat man that gets the nomination type deal.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 10, 2015 01:01 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 10, 2015 01:01 PM (JtwS4)
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Wet balls will need extra air.
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 10, 2015 01:01 PM (zJ9UW)
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@399 - The problem is this: Trump calls EVERYONE assholes. Whether from insecurity or just because he feels that in a world of assholes he needs to be the biggest and the brownest.
Sure, Obama and his minions, the Congressional leadership of both parties, they've all earned pretty much anything you could say about them. They're assholes, most of them are venal and corrupt, some of them are criminal and should be locked up and Were I Elected President you'd have Harvey Keitel-grade IGs in most of the Cabinet-branch agencies and an AG specifically chosen as an in-house headchopper.
Trump doesn't seem to know how to win gracefully. He'll either win ugly or lose ugly depending on how fast his shtick wears out.
Sure, Obama and his minions, the Congressional leadership of both parties, they've all earned pretty much anything you could say about them. They're assholes, most of them are venal and corrupt, some of them are criminal and should be locked up and Were I Elected President you'd have Harvey Keitel-grade IGs in most of the Cabinet-branch agencies and an AG specifically chosen as an in-house headchopper.
Trump doesn't seem to know how to win gracefully. He'll either win ugly or lose ugly depending on how fast his shtick wears out.
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at September 10, 2015 01:01 PM (o+SC1)
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Trump's statement about not asking God for forgiveness tells ANY Christian that he's not really a Christian. I at least, am not voting for him because of his familiarity with Jesus though.
Huck, I'm sure, is a committed Christian, but he won't be getting my vote in the primary or the general.
Huck, I'm sure, is a committed Christian, but he won't be getting my vote in the primary or the general.
Posted by: Mark in Portland at September 10, 2015 01:01 PM (x154c)
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Meanwhile, Failure Theater continues.
Boner and McConnell are still pretending to try to stop obama's deal to arm Iran with nukes.
A pontless, toothless, and useless "resolution of disapproval" will be voted on maybe today, but, alas, they just wont have enough votes for it to pass.
Darn it!
Fiddlesticks!
Meanwhile, Failure Theater continues.
Boner and McConnell are still pretending to try to stop obama's deal to arm Iran with nukes.
A pontless, toothless, and useless "resolution of disapproval" will be voted on maybe today, but, alas, they just wont have enough votes for it to pass.
Darn it!
Fiddlesticks!
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2015 01:01 PM (JPBdn)
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do any of them think, "Hey... I'm also not Hot. Is this guy claiming I don't rate in any aspect of my life because I'm not 25 years old with 13% bodyfat all in my tits and ass?"
But many of those women go read catty tabloids like Perez Hilton that call 26 year old actresses with 14% bodyfat in their tits and asses 'old' and 'fat.'
But many of those women go read catty tabloids like Perez Hilton that call 26 year old actresses with 14% bodyfat in their tits and asses 'old' and 'fat.'
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 10, 2015 01:02 PM (bxoVs)
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Fiorina has "Resting CEO Face."
Posted by: zombie at September 10, 2015 01:01 PM (jBuUi)
i love you zombie..that was brilliant
Posted by: zombie at September 10, 2015 01:01 PM (jBuUi)
i love you zombie..that was brilliant
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 10, 2015 01:02 PM (0O7c5)
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Slogs to The Barrel....
Posted by: Republicans, channeling Leon Russell at September 10, 2015 12:57 PM (9mTYi)
Si! Si! El Barrello. Where we dispose of lineros de panties!
Slogs to The Barrel....
Posted by: Republicans, channeling Leon Russell at September 10, 2015 12:57 PM (9mTYi)
Si! Si! El Barrello. Where we dispose of lineros de panties!
Posted by: Lupe at September 10, 2015 01:02 PM (vgIRn)
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Ok. He did it in the presence of a Rolling Stone "journalist." Bad, IMO, but how many will care?
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 10, 2015 01:02 PM (SQkRc)
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>>>Look at Trump's numbers, he's pulling 25% of Blacks. Why? Immigration!
His (anti-RMC) mores and speech styles and humor is also closer to theirs. Most of the black demo is closer to Trump than it is to the Respectable Middle Class.
It has long been the contention of mine for instance that all this "racism" shit is basically SWPLs/SJWs. I know and interact with plenty of black people. None of them are 1/37th as likely to scream racist over random crap as privileged white chicks with journalism degrees.
His (anti-RMC) mores and speech styles and humor is also closer to theirs. Most of the black demo is closer to Trump than it is to the Respectable Middle Class.
It has long been the contention of mine for instance that all this "racism" shit is basically SWPLs/SJWs. I know and interact with plenty of black people. None of them are 1/37th as likely to scream racist over random crap as privileged white chicks with journalism degrees.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 10, 2015 01:02 PM (TULs6)
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You crave respectability
You'll accept societal norms
You get Rich Redneck sensibility (which is to say; NONE)
You'll accept societal norms
You get Rich Redneck sensibility (which is to say; NONE)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 10, 2015 01:02 PM (x3GpS)
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This isn't going anywhere.
The Donald provides so much content, we won't be talking about this tomorrow.
Face it the guy looks like the candidate now.
The Donald provides so much content, we won't be talking about this tomorrow.
Face it the guy looks like the candidate now.
Posted by: Trump Taj Mahal at September 10, 2015 01:02 PM (6nGV8)
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353 One of the spectacular failures of the Bush administration was never answering the attacks on his policy and especially his character.
That completely mystified me then and I will never understand it.
That completely mystified me then and I will never understand it.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at September 10, 2015 01:02 PM (yMVjf)
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um, no, I'm saying individual voters crave respectability.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (dciA+)
For a lot of the informed, that's true. The people in my social circles, myself included, live life that way. But a quick run through social media should tell you that there are large segments of society that don'd define or value respectability by the same standard you do.
As baffling as it is that Trump continues to garner support, it is even more baffling that the uninformed gave us Obama twice. Maybe they will give us Trump this time.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (dciA+)
For a lot of the informed, that's true. The people in my social circles, myself included, live life that way. But a quick run through social media should tell you that there are large segments of society that don'd define or value respectability by the same standard you do.
As baffling as it is that Trump continues to garner support, it is even more baffling that the uninformed gave us Obama twice. Maybe they will give us Trump this time.
Posted by: Sambo at September 10, 2015 01:02 PM (9UV3C)
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Fell off of that damned tightrope.
Posted by: Republicans, channeling Leon Russell
You must feel like a stranger in a strange land.
Posted by: Republicans, channeling Leon Russell
You must feel like a stranger in a strange land.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 10, 2015 01:02 PM (W5DcG)
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Drafting Trump seems dangerous. Look what happened to Walker.
As has been pointed out, the problem with this is not that he said this thing that is crude, but that he is going to continue to do so. He is going to say something about Beyonce or something and that will be it.
Anyone aping his positions (such as they are) would get hit by the same backlash.
As has been pointed out, the problem with this is not that he said this thing that is crude, but that he is going to continue to do so. He is going to say something about Beyonce or something and that will be it.
Anyone aping his positions (such as they are) would get hit by the same backlash.
Posted by: blaster at September 10, 2015 01:02 PM (2Ocf1)
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yeah and hispanics and Muslims are religious so they're 'natural conservatives" and we know how that story goes right?
Posted by: ace
Exactly.
Really poor people who want free stuff from the government know where to get it and will vote accordingly.
They also know the can privately be as religious as they want to and still get the goodies.
But I'll see dumb conservatives think the answer to get these voters is to turn up the Social Conservative rhetoric in order to attract these "really religious" people and instead, it just drives away suburban, white female voters.
Posted by: ace
Exactly.
Really poor people who want free stuff from the government know where to get it and will vote accordingly.
They also know the can privately be as religious as they want to and still get the goodies.
But I'll see dumb conservatives think the answer to get these voters is to turn up the Social Conservative rhetoric in order to attract these "really religious" people and instead, it just drives away suburban, white female voters.
Posted by: Coolio at September 10, 2015 01:03 PM (/Py5b)
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I'm not 25 years old with 13% bodyfat all in my tits and ass?
It was 12% upthread. Broad's letting herself go.
It was 12% upthread. Broad's letting herself go.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 10, 2015 01:03 PM (JtwS4)
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Ben Shapiro is a dork. And a progressive totalitarian.
Ben Shapiro is a dork. And a progressive totalitarian.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2015 01:03 PM (JPBdn)
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Carly isn't ugly.
Saying so isn't classy and is a violation of manners, but I find being repeatedly back stabbed a far worse one.
Saying so isn't classy and is a violation of manners, but I find being repeatedly back stabbed a far worse one.
Posted by: Bigby's Snake handling Hands at September 10, 2015 01:03 PM (YkUew)
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Wind bags will be wind bags.
It should matter more that people who support Trump don't see it for what it was.
The blind leading the blinder. Same thing happened with President Historical First . . . . twice.
Wind bags will be wind bags.
It should matter more that people who support Trump don't see it for what it was.
The blind leading the blinder. Same thing happened with President Historical First . . . . twice.
Posted by: GBruno at September 10, 2015 01:03 PM (u49WF)
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"I just can't see more than 10-12% blacks moving off the Democrat planation, same as it always is. "
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (dciA+)
Yeah, Ace is correct here.
Trump certainly wouldn't be the candidate to shake up the message to blacks about how they've been getting fucked by the democrats for decades.
Rick Perry or Jeb Bush will be able to win them over while being politically sensitive.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (dciA+)
Yeah, Ace is correct here.
Trump certainly wouldn't be the candidate to shake up the message to blacks about how they've been getting fucked by the democrats for decades.
Rick Perry or Jeb Bush will be able to win them over while being politically sensitive.
Posted by: jwest at September 10, 2015 01:04 PM (Zs4uk)
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Yeah, so no comments from Trump Supporters about Trump's 'I'd hit that' remark in the Rolling Stone interview regarding his own daughter? I'm curious to know if you true believer types out there are willing to support and defend everything he says and does, no matter how vile.
Posted by: troyriser at September 10, 2015 01:04 PM (UWlp+)
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Ah. That.
I have stated here repeatedly that the issue is who is going to be President, not[/] , sadly, who we might like/i] as President.
As the system exists, and that is a reality, it will be candidate A. or candidate B.
If I must choose between two seemingly equal ratty used cars, I
still will make the choice that I think best. To get huffy because that
is my circumstance and say, "I'm better off walking" is denial of
reality.
The election will not be about my character, it will be about who is going to be President. Nose hold, I will.
Ace,
Yes, and you will never change the GOP and never achieve a single conservative goal.
Life is not binary. there is strategy in denying the GOP votes in order to change the GOP's behavior. Pretending that is not true is childish. Every election cycle the chant resumes - "you have to vote for one of the two candidates, and if you don't vote "r", then "d" will win". So silly. Of course that is true on its face. But if you ALWAYS vote "r" no matter what they do - what reason do they have to change? None. Indeed, you have just told them that you like what they are doing and want them to do more of it.
So, if your long term goal is conservatism - voting "r" every single election is contraindicated.
Indeed, the only thing that will change the GOP's behavior is if it's customers - the voters - stop buying what they are selling. When you keep buying what they sell - they keep selling the same exact thing.
Here, what they sell is leftism in action, and lies in words.
Posted by: Republicans, channeling Leon Russell at September 10, 2015 12:56 PM (9mTYi)
I have stated here repeatedly that the issue is who is going to be President, not[/] , sadly, who we might like/i] as President.
As the system exists, and that is a reality, it will be candidate A. or candidate B.
If I must choose between two seemingly equal ratty used cars, I
still will make the choice that I think best. To get huffy because that
is my circumstance and say, "I'm better off walking" is denial of
reality.
The election will not be about my character, it will be about who is going to be President. Nose hold, I will.
Ace,
Yes, and you will never change the GOP and never achieve a single conservative goal.
Life is not binary. there is strategy in denying the GOP votes in order to change the GOP's behavior. Pretending that is not true is childish. Every election cycle the chant resumes - "you have to vote for one of the two candidates, and if you don't vote "r", then "d" will win". So silly. Of course that is true on its face. But if you ALWAYS vote "r" no matter what they do - what reason do they have to change? None. Indeed, you have just told them that you like what they are doing and want them to do more of it.
So, if your long term goal is conservatism - voting "r" every single election is contraindicated.
Indeed, the only thing that will change the GOP's behavior is if it's customers - the voters - stop buying what they are selling. When you keep buying what they sell - they keep selling the same exact thing.
Here, what they sell is leftism in action, and lies in words.
Posted by: Republicans, channeling Leon Russell at September 10, 2015 12:56 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 10, 2015 01:04 PM (3ZtZW)
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I'm a Cruz guy, but I like Trump running loose and blasting media sacred cows. Personally I wish he'd do more, but that would require an understanding of conservative philosophy Trump does not possess.
He's blowing up the media quarantine of conservative ideas. Not that he possess them, but because he blasts liberal positions, he creates a media space where conservative alternatives can be heard.
Of course he can drown them out himself with his antics, but its still more than the media/left want in the first place.
He's blowing up the media quarantine of conservative ideas. Not that he possess them, but because he blasts liberal positions, he creates a media space where conservative alternatives can be heard.
Of course he can drown them out himself with his antics, but its still more than the media/left want in the first place.
Posted by: Iblis at September 10, 2015 01:04 PM (9221z)
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Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 10, 2015 12:21 PM (kff5f)
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Yep. If you aren't pissing off both parties in DC, you aren't doing your job. Which is representing We the People.
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Yep. If you aren't pissing off both parties in DC, you aren't doing your job. Which is representing We the People.
Posted by: Saltydonnie at September 10, 2015 01:04 PM (i6shs)
478
I mean, she doesn't strike me as a terrible looking woman.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 10, 2015 12:58 PM (bxoVs)
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I've seen better lookin' heads in a piss trough....
I mean, she doesn't strike me as a terrible looking woman.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 10, 2015 12:58 PM (bxoVs)
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I've seen better lookin' heads in a piss trough....
Posted by: Carlos Danger at September 10, 2015 01:04 PM (HSmrB)
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I mean, she doesn't strike me as a terrible looking woman.
Fiorina is, at worst, an entirely average looking, nicely-kept 61-year-old woman. One might even find her attractive.
That might be why I thought Trump WAS referring to her demeanor.
I mean, she doesn't strike me as a terrible looking woman.
Fiorina is, at worst, an entirely average looking, nicely-kept 61-year-old woman. One might even find her attractive.
That might be why I thought Trump WAS referring to her demeanor.
Posted by: Donald Trump at September 10, 2015 01:04 PM (oVJmc)
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"yeah and hispanics and Muslims are religious so they're 'natural conservatives" and we know how that story goes right?"
I never bought that shit. What I do know is that the goal isn't turning the various parts of the Democrat coalition into Republicans. The goal is getting just enough that you don't have to win historically-impossible levels of the white vote just to stay even. And/or not being so "horrible" to them that they get all jacked up to come out and vote against you.
We have at least 10 candidates that have managed that jiujitsu in state-wide campaigns in big states, multiple times, in this field. It amazes me that people instead want to go with a guy who is absolutely going to drive up that minority turnout, and who has never been elected to a damn thing in his life.
It's insanity.
I never bought that shit. What I do know is that the goal isn't turning the various parts of the Democrat coalition into Republicans. The goal is getting just enough that you don't have to win historically-impossible levels of the white vote just to stay even. And/or not being so "horrible" to them that they get all jacked up to come out and vote against you.
We have at least 10 candidates that have managed that jiujitsu in state-wide campaigns in big states, multiple times, in this field. It amazes me that people instead want to go with a guy who is absolutely going to drive up that minority turnout, and who has never been elected to a damn thing in his life.
It's insanity.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 10, 2015 01:04 PM (ljZD2)
481
news flash....TRUMP AIN'T THE PROBLEM
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 10, 2015 01:05 PM (0O7c5)
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Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:59 PM (dciA+)
Take a quick read of Scott Adama post, it's a quick read
http://bit.ly/1L4pHbt
His point being that she's not ugly but we've seen that face before. Scrunched up and frowning from our wives, gfs, mom whoever and it's not an attractive look.
Take a quick read of Scott Adama post, it's a quick read
http://bit.ly/1L4pHbt
His point being that she's not ugly but we've seen that face before. Scrunched up and frowning from our wives, gfs, mom whoever and it's not an attractive look.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 10, 2015 01:05 PM (x3GpS)
483
Did Ace have to put a picture of Carly's face up there.....
Posted by: Draki at September 10, 2015 01:05 PM (0eidE)
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> Posted by: junior at September 10, 2015 12:53 PM (3uPSc)
> I think you're only getting half of Ace's point. His point was that not only is the put down a rather stupid one, but that Trump's probably going to keep making those kinds of put downs because he doesn't learn. So while one such put down might get past the voters, he's probably going to keep doing it until they notice.
He is absolutely going to keep doing it. Such eruptions will be so common during the Trump Administration that they will be unremarkable.
I mean that kind of seriously. I'm OK with unfiltered. Crude, boorish. I can't help it. It's such a refreshing difference from rehearsed talking points that it's just jarring. If our only choice is between focus-group-tested blather and unapologetic crudeness, I'm ready for some crudeness. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground any longer.
> And on a related note, Trump can't seem to come up with substantive put downs for Fiorina. The previous one that I'd heard was a comment from him saying that when he listened to her speeches for more than a couple of minutes, it gave him a headache. It seems he's unable to attack her on policy specifics, so he keeps trying to make cheap shots that just demean her without saying anything substantive.
Trump doesn't engage in full-blown policy debates with any of the other candidates. He talks right over them. He puts them down and then talks about what he wants to talk about. The reason this appeals to me is that I want to see him do it to the Democrats.
Mitt Romney made that 47% comment, and then tied himself in knots trying to explain and clarify. It was a pointless exercise. It got him nowhere. That kind of thinking and that kind of media relations gets us nowhere.
> I think you're only getting half of Ace's point. His point was that not only is the put down a rather stupid one, but that Trump's probably going to keep making those kinds of put downs because he doesn't learn. So while one such put down might get past the voters, he's probably going to keep doing it until they notice.
He is absolutely going to keep doing it. Such eruptions will be so common during the Trump Administration that they will be unremarkable.
I mean that kind of seriously. I'm OK with unfiltered. Crude, boorish. I can't help it. It's such a refreshing difference from rehearsed talking points that it's just jarring. If our only choice is between focus-group-tested blather and unapologetic crudeness, I'm ready for some crudeness. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground any longer.
> And on a related note, Trump can't seem to come up with substantive put downs for Fiorina. The previous one that I'd heard was a comment from him saying that when he listened to her speeches for more than a couple of minutes, it gave him a headache. It seems he's unable to attack her on policy specifics, so he keeps trying to make cheap shots that just demean her without saying anything substantive.
Trump doesn't engage in full-blown policy debates with any of the other candidates. He talks right over them. He puts them down and then talks about what he wants to talk about. The reason this appeals to me is that I want to see him do it to the Democrats.
Mitt Romney made that 47% comment, and then tied himself in knots trying to explain and clarify. It was a pointless exercise. It got him nowhere. That kind of thinking and that kind of media relations gets us nowhere.
Posted by: Brewdog at September 10, 2015 01:05 PM (ZgUuK)
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So trump calls Hillary a fat ugly twatburger.......seriously what are we really worried about losing California by 3 more percentage points?
If he only insulted Clinton, that would probably work--just like it worked when he told Kelly that he only really insulted Rosie O'Donnell. Because he was insulting a person, and it can be reasonably inferred that the person deserved it.
If it turns out he's just insulting all women, including popular ones in Florida, Ohio, Iowa, and so forth, that argument no longer holds.
People are perfectly happy when you insult someone else's well-loved celebrity. Not so much when you insult their own. The trick, if you're going to go that road, is to maximize the voters who are happy with your insults and minimize the voters who are not. Trump seems to be going the Wowbagger route instead.
If he only insulted Clinton, that would probably work--just like it worked when he told Kelly that he only really insulted Rosie O'Donnell. Because he was insulting a person, and it can be reasonably inferred that the person deserved it.
If it turns out he's just insulting all women, including popular ones in Florida, Ohio, Iowa, and so forth, that argument no longer holds.
People are perfectly happy when you insult someone else's well-loved celebrity. Not so much when you insult their own. The trick, if you're going to go that road, is to maximize the voters who are happy with your insults and minimize the voters who are not. Trump seems to be going the Wowbagger route instead.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 10, 2015 01:05 PM (2lndx)
Posted by: SarahW at September 10, 2015 01:06 PM (3fTXW)
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I guess I'm a dog ... because I certainly would not turn down Carly Fiorina.
I denounce myself ... I guess.
I denounce myself ... I guess.
Posted by: Irony at September 10, 2015 01:06 PM (E5dnG)
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483
Did Ace have to put a picture of Carly's face up there.....
Posted by: Draki at September 10, 2015 01:05 PM (0eidE)
omg....now...i'm sorry...but that's funny
Did Ace have to put a picture of Carly's face up there.....
Posted by: Draki at September 10, 2015 01:05 PM (0eidE)
omg....now...i'm sorry...but that's funny
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 10, 2015 01:06 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 10, 2015 01:06 PM (7ZP43)
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It has long been the contention of mine for instance that all this "racism" shit is basically SWPLs/SJWs. I know and interact with plenty of black people. None of them are 1/37th as likely to scream racist over random crap as privileged white chicks with journalism degrees.
The amazing thing I saw in GamerGate was how all the SJWs policing for racism and sexism were white and upper-class, had gone to college, and were now journalists.
There were a few minority guys, but even they were more in common with the upper class white journos than anybody else.
The amazing thing I saw in GamerGate was how all the SJWs policing for racism and sexism were white and upper-class, had gone to college, and were now journalists.
There were a few minority guys, but even they were more in common with the upper class white journos than anybody else.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 10, 2015 01:06 PM (bxoVs)
491
Now, Trump is offering himself up as an alternative holder
Not exactly. His claim to owning pols and Hil coming to his wedding is crony capitalism writ large. Until he eschews that his IS just like the rest.
Not exactly. His claim to owning pols and Hil coming to his wedding is crony capitalism writ large. Until he eschews that his IS just like the rest.
Posted by: Mac at September 10, 2015 01:06 PM (0J18b)
492
486
He's SMOD with a wig.
I find myself not caring.
Posted by: SarahW at September 10, 2015 01:06 PM (3fTXW)
smod with a wig? then i'm summoning!!!!
He's SMOD with a wig.
I find myself not caring.
Posted by: SarahW at September 10, 2015 01:06 PM (3fTXW)
smod with a wig? then i'm summoning!!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 10, 2015 01:06 PM (0O7c5)
493
Did I hear correctly that Beohner and McConnell going to "shut down" the government? I thought they said shutdowns were off the table for good.
Posted by: Meremortal at September 10, 2015 01:06 PM (1Y+hH)
494
I am a not-particularly-attractive female. However, there is nothing wrong with my eyesight. And I have noticed that Carly Fiorina is amazingly plain for a female candidate for president. Trump has noticed it, too, and said it. So what?
Posted by: Avogadra at September 10, 2015 01:06 PM (tQGyU)
495
474
Yeah, so no comments from Trump Supporters about Trump's 'I'd hit that' remark
That happened the same way that Trump said "Fiorina's face is ugly."
(It didn't.)
Yeah, so no comments from Trump Supporters about Trump's 'I'd hit that' remark
That happened the same way that Trump said "Fiorina's face is ugly."
(It didn't.)
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:06 PM (ab6JC)
496
474 Yeah, so no comments from Trump Supporters about Trump's 'I'd hit that' remark in the Rolling Stone interview regarding his own daughter? I'm curious to know if you true believer types out there are willing to support and defend everything he says and does, no matter how vile.
Posted by: troyriser at September 10, 2015 01:04 PM (UWlp+)
I think it is a mischaracterization to describe folks as Trump "true believers." Trump supporters, I think, would happily drop him in favor of another candidate who had a reasonable shot at disrupting the establishment, or who began to speak about them in as schmaltzy a way.
Posted by: troyriser at September 10, 2015 01:04 PM (UWlp+)
I think it is a mischaracterization to describe folks as Trump "true believers." Trump supporters, I think, would happily drop him in favor of another candidate who had a reasonable shot at disrupting the establishment, or who began to speak about them in as schmaltzy a way.
Posted by: Sambo at September 10, 2015 01:07 PM (9UV3C)
497
And since the structure of government seems to have fallen by the wayside, a thin skinned reactionary like Trump would probably be the "wrong" person to be driving the ship.
And since the structure of government seems to have fallen by the wayside, a thin skinned reactionary like Trump would probably be the "wrong" person to be driving the ship.
Posted by: GBruno at September 10, 2015 01:07 PM (u49WF)
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@364 That's the story every year. Nobody was genuinely excited about a Mitt Romney presidency.
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I actually was. And I know a lot of people who were, too.
In fact, every week or so, someone I know will bring up Romney and how they wished he were POTUS.
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I've got a good friend who keeps asking me when I'll use my sooper-secret insider Mormon connections to convince Romney to jump back into the ring.
A few weeks ago, this same good friend was sounding pretty excited about Trump. Make of that what you will.
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I actually was. And I know a lot of people who were, too.
In fact, every week or so, someone I know will bring up Romney and how they wished he were POTUS.
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I've got a good friend who keeps asking me when I'll use my sooper-secret insider Mormon connections to convince Romney to jump back into the ring.
A few weeks ago, this same good friend was sounding pretty excited about Trump. Make of that what you will.
Posted by: junior at September 10, 2015 01:07 PM (3uPSc)
499
Feed. Me.
Posted by: The Barrel at September 10, 2015 01:07 PM (MT22W)
500
*tosses rubber ducky into the Barrel for Mike Hammer*
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Yeah, thanks.
But look, this thing is vile. I mean vile. If you could see your way clear to tossing in some Janitor in a Drum, that would be great. Even better, if you could give the Stanley Steemer folks a call, I might get out of here without contracting something.
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Yeah, thanks.
But look, this thing is vile. I mean vile. If you could see your way clear to tossing in some Janitor in a Drum, that would be great. Even better, if you could give the Stanley Steemer folks a call, I might get out of here without contracting something.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 10, 2015 01:07 PM (9mTYi)
501
I just want you all to know that I agree with everything ace says, even before he says it.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 10, 2015 01:08 PM (7ZP43)
502
@471 - Carly Fiorina ain't Kate Upton.
But the last time I looked 'pretty face and antigravity tits' was a whole long way below judgment and intellectual flexibility (oh, and the ability to speak without a Teleprompter) on the Presidential chart of requirements.
Just because you don't particularly want to fuck a certain (married) woman doesn't mean you think she is unsuited for high office.
But the last time I looked 'pretty face and antigravity tits' was a whole long way below judgment and intellectual flexibility (oh, and the ability to speak without a Teleprompter) on the Presidential chart of requirements.
Just because you don't particularly want to fuck a certain (married) woman doesn't mean you think she is unsuited for high office.
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at September 10, 2015 01:08 PM (o+SC1)
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Carly is an attractive woman who has perhaps had too much work done on her face. I honestly don't mind Trump making fun of anyone's looks among friends since practically everyone does it. But, please not in front of a journolist from RS fake rape terrorist loving magazine.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 10, 2015 01:08 PM (SQkRc)
504
I'm beginning to think that Trump could take this course, insulting routine all the way to the White House.
I hope he does. I might never stop laughing at the horror expressed by the same fucking dopes that put a nasty, childish, petty little shitstain like Obama into office.
Posted by: Warden at September 10, 2015 12:41 PM (XwbzU)
You and me both.
I hope he does. I might never stop laughing at the horror expressed by the same fucking dopes that put a nasty, childish, petty little shitstain like Obama into office.
Posted by: Warden at September 10, 2015 12:41 PM (XwbzU)
You and me both.
Posted by: physics geek at September 10, 2015 01:08 PM (MT22W)
505
I think people are interchanging Ace's "Trump can't win this way" with "Trump shouldn't say those things." They're not the same, though someone could believe both.
I'm pretty much a one-issue guy at this point: Immigration. (Because limited government dreams are over once the electorate is dominated by left-leaning Hispanics.)
I don't care about Trump, I care about whether his actions strengthen or weaken my cause. When they strengthen it, I'm with him, even though he's clearly a dick of a person. Whenthey weaken it, I'm against him. This isn't about anything else but winning the issues. And for that we need to persuade more people to join us.
I'm pretty much a one-issue guy at this point: Immigration. (Because limited government dreams are over once the electorate is dominated by left-leaning Hispanics.)
I don't care about Trump, I care about whether his actions strengthen or weaken my cause. When they strengthen it, I'm with him, even though he's clearly a dick of a person. Whenthey weaken it, I'm against him. This isn't about anything else but winning the issues. And for that we need to persuade more people to join us.
Posted by: CJ at September 10, 2015 01:08 PM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 10, 2015 01:08 PM (x3GpS)
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>>> Trump didn't call her ugly. He called out something about her face that a lot of people feel. "Angry wife face" or something similar
Fiorina has "Resting CEO Face."
Posted by: zombie at September 10, 2015 01:01 PM (jBuUi)
Heh.
If Carly has "resting angry wife" or "resting CEO" face, what the crap does Hillary have? "Resting bunny boiler" face?
Fiorina has "Resting CEO Face."
Posted by: zombie at September 10, 2015 01:01 PM (jBuUi)
Heh.
If Carly has "resting angry wife" or "resting CEO" face, what the crap does Hillary have? "Resting bunny boiler" face?
Posted by: LizLem at September 10, 2015 01:08 PM (hvf9s)
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Speaking for myself, I have always found it so ridiculous when a not so attractive man puts down a woman for her looks.
The pasty, fat slob on the beach drinking beer with his buddies and who comments on the women walking by and laughing about the 'fat chicks' 'no tits' 'only with a paper bag over her head' doesn't garner a lot of appeal with women.
This isn't about being PC - it is about intelligence and these remarks are far from the. Do I think this will hurt Trump - No. As much as I despise Hillary, I don't want him to go full board on her either in the looks department - dumb.
The pasty, fat slob on the beach drinking beer with his buddies and who comments on the women walking by and laughing about the 'fat chicks' 'no tits' 'only with a paper bag over her head' doesn't garner a lot of appeal with women.
This isn't about being PC - it is about intelligence and these remarks are far from the. Do I think this will hurt Trump - No. As much as I despise Hillary, I don't want him to go full board on her either in the looks department - dumb.
Posted by: Cheri at September 10, 2015 01:09 PM (oiNtH)
509
Hey, I said stuff! I'm smart not dumb! Not like they say! I want respect! I'm getting passed over!
Posted by: Bobby Jindal at September 10, 2015 01:09 PM (nc+gz)
510
Yeah, so no comments from Trump Supporters about Trump's 'I'd hit that' remark in the Rolling Stone interview regarding his own daughter? I'm curious to know if you true believer types out there are willing to support and defend everything he says and does, no matter how vile.
Posted by: troyriser at September 10, 2015 01:04 PM (UWlp+)
It's the Gretzky complex.
Posted by: troyriser at September 10, 2015 01:04 PM (UWlp+)
It's the Gretzky complex.
Posted by: Draki at September 10, 2015 01:09 PM (0eidE)
511
It didn't.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:06 PM (ab6JC)
It did happen. I read the interview quote in full. Own that shit.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:06 PM (ab6JC)
It did happen. I read the interview quote in full. Own that shit.
Posted by: troyriser at September 10, 2015 01:09 PM (UWlp+)
512
The amazing thing I saw in GamerGate was how all the SJWs policing for
racism and sexism were white and upper-class, had gone to college, and
were now journalists.
The Symbianese Liberation Army was a radical Marxist org centered on black liberation with one black guy and a lot of rich white kids in it.
racism and sexism were white and upper-class, had gone to college, and
were now journalists.
The Symbianese Liberation Army was a radical Marxist org centered on black liberation with one black guy and a lot of rich white kids in it.
Posted by: Donald Trump at September 10, 2015 01:09 PM (oVJmc)
513
I dunno, Ace. Someone wisely observed that part of Bill Clinton's appeal and teflon coating was that he made us comfortable with our weaknesses and flaws as opposed to appealing to our better side. Trump taking a page out of Clinton playbook?
Posted by: RM at September 10, 2015 01:09 PM (Sj3r3)
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I think it is a mischaracterization to describe folks as Trump "true believers."
That , and making up insults in their OUTRAGED heads is all they have.
Oh and Nazi accusations. Can't forget those.
I think it is a mischaracterization to describe folks as Trump "true believers."
That , and making up insults in their OUTRAGED heads is all they have.
Oh and Nazi accusations. Can't forget those.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:09 PM (ab6JC)
515
If Carly has "resting angry wife" or "resting CEO" face, what the crap does Hillary have? "Resting bunny boiler" face?
Posted by: LizLem at September 10, 2015 01:08 PM (hvf9s)
resting GODDAMNITBILL face
Posted by: LizLem at September 10, 2015 01:08 PM (hvf9s)
resting GODDAMNITBILL face
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 10, 2015 01:09 PM (0O7c5)
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>>>No one - I mean NO ONE was pushing back, until Donald Trump.
trump, the candidate with balls enough to push back against Carly Fiorino's ugly face
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:46 PM (dciA+)
This Ace fellow has a way with words.
>>>No one - I mean NO ONE was pushing back, until Donald Trump.
trump, the candidate with balls enough to push back against Carly Fiorino's ugly face
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:46 PM (dciA+)
This Ace fellow has a way with words.
Posted by: rebel flounder at September 10, 2015 01:10 PM (1DH1V)
517
Did you see the way Carly wore her jeans in Iowa?
I am nearly in her age demographic and I would use all of my game to try to get a hand down those pants.
http://bit.ly/1Lmmv6V
I am nearly in her age demographic and I would use all of my game to try to get a hand down those pants.
http://bit.ly/1Lmmv6V
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 10, 2015 01:10 PM (JtwS4)
518
@498 - Mitt Romney is, by all visible evidence (I don't know him personally) a very good man, a widely experienced man, and could have been a great President. Might not have been - Herbert Hoover was also a good and widely experienced man. But could have been.
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at September 10, 2015 01:10 PM (o+SC1)
519
Trump is a mega heckler. I like that. A lot.
Trump is a mega heckler. I like that. A lot.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2015 01:10 PM (JPBdn)
520
Megyn Kelly will make Trump pay for that crack.
Posted by: maddogg at September 10, 2015 01:10 PM (xWW96)
521
If Carly has "resting angry wife" or "resting CEO" face, what the crap does Hillary have? "Resting bunny boiler" face?
Posted by: LizLem at September 10, 2015 01:08 PM (hvf9s)
I think it's all the work she has done on it. I enjoy hearing her speak, but that face... FWIW Carly's face ain't Hillary's.
Posted by: LizLem at September 10, 2015 01:08 PM (hvf9s)
I think it's all the work she has done on it. I enjoy hearing her speak, but that face... FWIW Carly's face ain't Hillary's.
Posted by: Draki at September 10, 2015 01:10 PM (0eidE)
522
"I don't think blacks will vote Republicans, we keep hearing how religious they are, how opposed to gay marriage, abortion, illegal immigration, etc yet they just keep voting Democrat."
Nothing in this election season is as it was. I'm just fatalistic now. I think drink might be the answer.
Nothing in this election season is as it was. I'm just fatalistic now. I think drink might be the answer.
Posted by: Decaf at September 10, 2015 01:10 PM (jILzT)
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Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (nFICN)
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Thanks for the seminar call.
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Thanks for the seminar call.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 10, 2015 01:10 PM (MbrzC)
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If trump were treating the women equally he would insult Lindsay Graham.
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 10, 2015 12:22 PM (zJ9UW)
Thread winner!
If trump were treating the women equally he would insult Lindsay Graham.
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 10, 2015 12:22 PM (zJ9UW)
Thread winner!
Posted by: kathysaysso at September 10, 2015 01:10 PM (fMQoG)
525
Those edgy magazines can trip you up, I should know!
Posted by: Jimmah at September 10, 2015 01:10 PM (1Y+hH)
526
No janitor in a drum but here's a couple of wet backs invaders migrants undocumented Democrats you can put to work.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 10, 2015 01:10 PM (x3GpS)
527
If Carly has "resting angry wife" or "resting CEO" face, what the crap does Hillary have? "Resting bunny boiler" face?
"Confused wandering out of the nursing home rec room into the main hallway" face.
"Confused wandering out of the nursing home rec room into the main hallway" face.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 10, 2015 01:10 PM (bxoVs)
528
Draki - hey, I remember you from the Federalist
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 10, 2015 01:10 PM (7ZP43)
529
And I have noticed that Carly Fiorina is amazingly plain for a female candidate for president. Trump has noticed it, too, and said it. So what?
Posted by: Avogadra at September 10, 2015 01:06 PM (tQGyU)
Um, how many female world leaders are attractive. I didn't know that was a prerequisite. Zombie Margaret Thatcher and Angela Merkel will be contacting you shortly.
Posted by: Avogadra at September 10, 2015 01:06 PM (tQGyU)
Um, how many female world leaders are attractive. I didn't know that was a prerequisite. Zombie Margaret Thatcher and Angela Merkel will be contacting you shortly.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 10, 2015 01:11 PM (SQkRc)
530
Why can't Trump just man up and own he said instead of denying it?
Now he's saying he was misunderstood about the "face" comment, like he was saying with the whole Megyn Kelly "bleeding" thing.
My favorite answer from Trump was basically when he said yes he called a woman a fat pig , but it was about Rosie O'Donnell.
Trump's best card is the whole "I'm the only one brave enough to tell the truth"
Now he's saying he was misunderstood about the "face" comment, like he was saying with the whole Megyn Kelly "bleeding" thing.
My favorite answer from Trump was basically when he said yes he called a woman a fat pig , but it was about Rosie O'Donnell.
Trump's best card is the whole "I'm the only one brave enough to tell the truth"
Posted by: Coolio at September 10, 2015 01:11 PM (/Py5b)
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I mentioned yesterday that I saw writers on twitter talking about their private social journalism groups. So, we are back to that shit again.
I mentioned yesterday that I saw writers on twitter talking about their private social journalism groups. So, we are back to that shit again.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 10, 2015 01:11 PM (iQIUe)
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"I just can't see more than 10-12% blacks moving off the Democrat planation, same as it always is. "
Posted by: ace
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Ben Carson made a campaign stop in San Francisco two day ago, and a local reporter interviewed people who had gone to see him. Interestingly -- very interestingly -- there had been a lot of black people in the audience (church-going middle-class types, not angry BLM types), and the reporter interviewed two of them. Both said the same thing (paraphrasing):
"I'd heard about this guy Carson and was interested to hear what he had to say. And, gee, I really agreed with a lot of it! He is one insightful guy. I mean -- of course I won't vote for him (unspoken: "Because I have Stockholm Syndrome from being held captive by the Democratic party for so long"), but I admire Carson a lot now."
I agree that the Dems have the black vote chained in the basement, with no escape.
Posted by: ace
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Ben Carson made a campaign stop in San Francisco two day ago, and a local reporter interviewed people who had gone to see him. Interestingly -- very interestingly -- there had been a lot of black people in the audience (church-going middle-class types, not angry BLM types), and the reporter interviewed two of them. Both said the same thing (paraphrasing):
"I'd heard about this guy Carson and was interested to hear what he had to say. And, gee, I really agreed with a lot of it! He is one insightful guy. I mean -- of course I won't vote for him (unspoken: "Because I have Stockholm Syndrome from being held captive by the Democratic party for so long"), but I admire Carson a lot now."
I agree that the Dems have the black vote chained in the basement, with no escape.
Posted by: zombie at September 10, 2015 01:11 PM (jBuUi)
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Trump can be my Heckler-in-Chief any day.
Trump can be my Heckler-in-Chief any day.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2015 01:11 PM (JPBdn)
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Was "Trump is a lose" supposed to mean ""Trump is a loser," Ace, or "Trump is a louse"?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 10, 2015 01:11 PM (OSs/l)
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Carly is an attractive woman who has perhaps had too much work done on her face. I honestly don't mind Trump making fun of anyone's looks among friends since practically everyone does it. But, please not in front of a journolist from RS fake rape terrorist loving magazine.
Posted by: chique d'afrique
Thank you. We rake Clinton over the coals here but we are not running for President on a national stage.
Posted by: chique d'afrique
Thank you. We rake Clinton over the coals here but we are not running for President on a national stage.
Posted by: Cheri at September 10, 2015 01:11 PM (oiNtH)
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It did happen. I read the interview quote in full. Own that shit.
Posted by: troyriser
Post the quote.
It did happen. I read the interview quote in full. Own that shit.
Posted by: troyriser
Post the quote.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:11 PM (ab6JC)
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AoSHQ became a hard-core GOPe site so gradually I didn't notice it happening.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Autumnal Enormities have Arrived at the Outrage Outlet! at September 10, 2015 01:11 PM (hLRSq)
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Would it help if Trump said things like "Well, you are likable enough" or described Dr. Carson as a "light skinned African American with no negro dialect ....".
Posted by: gracepmc at September 10, 2015 01:11 PM (DMQhB)
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You don't have to defend him for everything to support him.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 10, 2015 12:31 PM (ODxAs)
I read 210 comments until I read one I could get behind 100%....
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 10, 2015 12:31 PM (ODxAs)
I read 210 comments until I read one I could get behind 100%....
Posted by: Dirty Randy at September 10, 2015 01:11 PM (jjaLl)
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I have no idea, and you know, honestly Megyn, I'm not going to spend a single cycle wondering what Donald Trump means.
Phrasing!
Phrasing!
Posted by: andycanuck at September 10, 2015 01:12 PM (LYqIl)
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ace, your place your call, but I want to echo a few others and urge you to give wider berth to many comments/commenters. Solution to bad speech is more speech, but yes I get it, policing a blog comments section to keep it from complete disintegration is infeasible.
GEH used a pejorative term but illustratively most of the reactions were to (correctly) challenge the premises behind the insult, not to fire back in kind. Best way to let things play out.
trumpetdaddy towards the end rolled out the Nazi/white nationalism myth/smear. Again, pathetic - though not surprising from someone with its apparent grasp of politics and policy - but again the best response is not to reward his Hector-ish behavior with banning.We could use a much more substantive and impressive version of Beltway apologism, but for the moment the likes of trumpetdaddy is what we have, and it's better to have the back and forth.
Anyway, if feasible it might be good to let some of the wrasslin' proceed, esp. between regulars. Just a thought.
ace, your place your call, but I want to echo a few others and urge you to give wider berth to many comments/commenters. Solution to bad speech is more speech, but yes I get it, policing a blog comments section to keep it from complete disintegration is infeasible.
GEH used a pejorative term but illustratively most of the reactions were to (correctly) challenge the premises behind the insult, not to fire back in kind. Best way to let things play out.
trumpetdaddy towards the end rolled out the Nazi/white nationalism myth/smear. Again, pathetic - though not surprising from someone with its apparent grasp of politics and policy - but again the best response is not to reward his Hector-ish behavior with banning.We could use a much more substantive and impressive version of Beltway apologism, but for the moment the likes of trumpetdaddy is what we have, and it's better to have the back and forth.
Anyway, if feasible it might be good to let some of the wrasslin' proceed, esp. between regulars. Just a thought.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 10, 2015 01:12 PM (QDnY+)
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Draki - hey, I remember you from the Federalist
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 10, 2015 01:10 PM (7ZP43)
Howdy o/
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 10, 2015 01:10 PM (7ZP43)
Howdy
o/Posted by: Draki at September 10, 2015 01:12 PM (0eidE)
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Whiskey wrote: "Yes Trump is a Liberal. He's also a Nationalist."
aw go on. Next you'll be having us thinking he's a National Socialist.
aw go on. Next you'll be having us thinking he's a National Socialist.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2015 01:12 PM (Kpl3J)
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do any of them think, "Hey... I'm also not Hot. Is this guy claiming I don't rate in any aspect of my life because I'm not 25 years old with 13% bodyfat all in my tits and ass?"
It's been my experience that when one woman criticizes another, other women identify with the criticizer.
It's been my experience that when one woman criticizes another, other women identify with the criticizer.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 10, 2015 01:12 PM (JIElb)
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I'm impressed that he spent 10 days with a Rolling Stone reporter and this was the worst thing that could be seized on. I think he is getting more disciplined, the Carly comment is almost a month old.
I'm more dissapointed in Carson going after Trumps Faith with that preprogrammed line he had ready. Gingrich said Carson has a large staff of political insiders, many of whom he knows. Trump responded he does not know Carson well enough for him to be judging his Faith and that is true.
Nobody is voting Trump for his Religious beliefs. He might say incorrect things but he is the only Candidate not beholden to special interest money. The only other Candidate I trust is Cruz but I'm not sure he's electable at this point due to the dem and GOPe hatred of him. They might hate Trump but he has the ability to go over them in a way that Cruz doesn't.
I'm more dissapointed in Carson going after Trumps Faith with that preprogrammed line he had ready. Gingrich said Carson has a large staff of political insiders, many of whom he knows. Trump responded he does not know Carson well enough for him to be judging his Faith and that is true.
Nobody is voting Trump for his Religious beliefs. He might say incorrect things but he is the only Candidate not beholden to special interest money. The only other Candidate I trust is Cruz but I'm not sure he's electable at this point due to the dem and GOPe hatred of him. They might hate Trump but he has the ability to go over them in a way that Cruz doesn't.
Posted by: JustSaying at September 10, 2015 01:12 PM (2qO9A)
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It reminds me of all the commie nonsense where they would have their "discussion groups" Actually, it was where they were told what they could/could not write about and what opinions they could/could not hold. I have no doubt that this is the same type of shite.
It reminds me of all the commie nonsense where they would have their "discussion groups" Actually, it was where they were told what they could/could not write about and what opinions they could/could not hold. I have no doubt that this is the same type of shite.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 10, 2015 01:12 PM (iQIUe)
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I don't know about this Carly person of which you all speak,, but I have a tremendous crush on Marie Osmond....
I don't know about this Carly person of which you all speak,, but I have a tremendous crush on Marie Osmond....
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 10, 2015 01:13 PM (HSmrB)
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You think one of you writers could infiltrate or hack into these groups and expose them.
You think one of you writers could infiltrate or hack into these groups and expose them.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 10, 2015 01:13 PM (iQIUe)
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If Carly has "resting angry wife" or "resting CEO" face, what the crap does Hillary have? "Resting bunny boiler" face?
Posted by: LizLem at September 10, 2015 01:08 PM (hvf9s)
Hillary seems to have the typical ageing lez lib face.
Although I don't know why they hired a mortician to be her make-up artist.
Posted by: LizLem at September 10, 2015 01:08 PM (hvf9s)
Hillary seems to have the typical ageing lez lib face.
Although I don't know why they hired a mortician to be her make-up artist.
Posted by: @votermom at September 10, 2015 01:14 PM (cbfNE)
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aw go on. Next you'll be having us thinking he's a National Socialist.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2015 01:12 PM (Kpl3J)
OMG he's got blonde hair!!!! Though he doesn't enjoy Megyn Aryan fury.... Now Megyn's face is yugely better than Carly's.
aw go on. Next you'll be having us thinking he's a National Socialist.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2015 01:12 PM (Kpl3J)
OMG he's got blonde hair!!!! Though he doesn't enjoy Megyn Aryan fury.... Now Megyn's face is yugely better than Carly's.
Posted by: Draki at September 10, 2015 01:14 PM (0eidE)
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Not everyone can be a Benazir Bhutto or Cicciolina. How effective as leaders were they anyway?
Give me a Golda Meir or Margaret Thatcher any day of the week.
Give me a Golda Meir or Margaret Thatcher any day of the week.
Posted by: zombie at September 10, 2015 01:14 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:14 PM (ab6JC)
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Posted by: Roy at September 10, 2015 12:05 PM (VndSC)
Reagan made fun of Carter's looks or the looks of other candidates? Really? I missed that.
Comparing Trump to Reagan is like comparing Sid Cesar to Julius Caesar.
Reagan made fun of Carter's looks or the looks of other candidates? Really? I missed that.
Comparing Trump to Reagan is like comparing Sid Cesar to Julius Caesar.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 10, 2015 01:14 PM (u0lmX)
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"Trump seems determined to remind us what we really are, which is mean, crude, narcissistic, and frivolous."
I don't know, it seems to work for The One.
"Trump seems determined to remind us what we really are, which is mean, crude, narcissistic, and frivolous."
I don't know, it seems to work for The One.
Posted by: rayj at September 10, 2015 01:14 PM (pI/IV)
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283 HOWEVER - I will note that Trump did not say that Fiorina was ugly.
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Technically true.
But if he really didn't mean that inference... then he should have been more explicit or careful cause I think the average read of the comment (unlike the blood thing) was look at that ugly face, who wants to see that face on tv as your president all the time.
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Technically true.
But if he really didn't mean that inference... then he should have been more explicit or careful cause I think the average read of the comment (unlike the blood thing) was look at that ugly face, who wants to see that face on tv as your president all the time.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 10, 2015 01:14 PM (MbrzC)
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How would you politely describe Hillary's face? Expansive and thoughtful? Fight or Flight? Good and Plenty? Help me here Ace - I want to be polite.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2015 01:14 PM (oDCMR)
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Take a quick read of Scott Adams post, it's a quick readhttp://bit.ly/1L4pHbt
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Someone finally joining me with the Scott Adams thing
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Someone finally joining me with the Scott Adams thing
Posted by: CJ at September 10, 2015 01:14 PM (9KqcB)
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I have been thinking about this a different route. Americans are not Europeans. We behave differently and that's why they liked to sneeringly refer to GW as a "cowboy". We tend to brag and are politically incorrect and that's been true going back to DeTouqueville. People do not come to this country because they want to blend in and be part of the crowd. They come here to be successful and stand out.
So yes, your upper middle class got their perfect candidate last time. And he is every bit as boring as Jeb Bush. I think people are tired of that. I think people would like to see a successful American behaving like a true American. That is a certain amount of Trump's appeal.
As for the comment on Fiorina's looks, I remember an article done by Oliver Stone some time ago, where he talked about attractive women. And he said that there was just something that grabbed you about a beautiful woman. It wasn't something you could analyze. I wish he had directed it to the pants suit brigade in the Dems, but there it is--uncensored and politically incorrect.
It's much easier to just focus on things Trump says, than to talk about real issues.
So yes, your upper middle class got their perfect candidate last time. And he is every bit as boring as Jeb Bush. I think people are tired of that. I think people would like to see a successful American behaving like a true American. That is a certain amount of Trump's appeal.
As for the comment on Fiorina's looks, I remember an article done by Oliver Stone some time ago, where he talked about attractive women. And he said that there was just something that grabbed you about a beautiful woman. It wasn't something you could analyze. I wish he had directed it to the pants suit brigade in the Dems, but there it is--uncensored and politically incorrect.
It's much easier to just focus on things Trump says, than to talk about real issues.
Posted by: notsothoreau at September 10, 2015 01:14 PM (5HBd1)
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I'm kind of a Cruz guy too...but seeing him get squished by Huckster in Kentucky and then showing up at the Anti-Iran deal rally makes me think twice.
"We need to stop this deal" - the one I helped get to the point of no return.
Huh?
I'm kind of a Cruz guy too...but seeing him get squished by Huckster in Kentucky and then showing up at the Anti-Iran deal rally makes me think twice.
"We need to stop this deal" - the one I helped get to the point of no return.
Huh?
Posted by: GBruno at September 10, 2015 01:15 PM (u49WF)
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Still not getting this ... am I the only one that would see Carly as an upgrade ?
Posted by: Irony at September 10, 2015 01:15 PM (E5dnG)
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Personally, when I make fun of Hillary!'s face, it's not because she's unattractive, it's because her expressions are as convincing as a Nintendo R.O.B.'s.
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 10, 2015 01:15 PM (kZVsz)
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 10, 2015 01:16 PM (7ZP43)
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What's worse than picking on a woman's looks is doing it on two of the most clearly intelligent successful wimmens around: Megan and Carly . It's one thing to call out a fat, loathsome slob for what she is (Rosie) but when you start going after the ones who the actually smart, conservative women would identify with, you've got a problem, and not just a political one.
Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at September 10, 2015 01:16 PM (k8tEg)
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As Insty sez chivalry was a SYSTEM conferring responsibilites on both genders. Feminists/modern society has eviscerated the woman's responsibilities while still expecting men to make the same sacrifices.
Hence the Captain Save-a-Ho/ Beta White Knight Orbiter phenomenon.
Trump doesn't take shit from people with out a response. Carly shot first.
This instinctive need to defend a woman no matter what she does doesn't do anyone any good. Except those who recognize the new reality and act accordingly.
If she didn't want Trump's response she shouldn't have talked shit to the press about him. She's not the only one who needs this lesson reinforced.
As Insty sez chivalry was a SYSTEM conferring responsibilites on both genders. Feminists/modern society has eviscerated the woman's responsibilities while still expecting men to make the same sacrifices.
Hence the Captain Save-a-Ho/ Beta White Knight Orbiter phenomenon.
Trump doesn't take shit from people with out a response. Carly shot first.
This instinctive need to defend a woman no matter what she does doesn't do anyone any good. Except those who recognize the new reality and act accordingly.
If she didn't want Trump's response she shouldn't have talked shit to the press about him. She's not the only one who needs this lesson reinforced.
Posted by: MAx at September 10, 2015 01:16 PM (LAliD)
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I think he is getting more disciplined, the Carly comment is almost a month old.
Especially in a session with his staff [phrasing!?] riffing on his opponents in the (other) debate(s). He probably mocked all or most of them similarly like he did to Walker in the report too.
Especially in a session with his staff [phrasing!?] riffing on his opponents in the (other) debate(s). He probably mocked all or most of them similarly like he did to Walker in the report too.
Posted by: andycanuck at September 10, 2015 01:16 PM (LYqIl)
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550 comments on something Trump didn't actually say.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:14 PM (ab6JC)
Well he should say something, every time I see Carly, I think about how much she spent to have it worked on. Well if he was a guy's guy he would.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:14 PM (ab6JC)
Well he should say something, every time I see Carly, I think about how much she spent to have it worked on. Well if he was a guy's guy he would.
Posted by: Draki at September 10, 2015 01:16 PM (0eidE)
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Mitt Romney made that 47% comment, and then tied himself in knots trying to explain and clarify. It was a pointless exercise. It got him nowhere. That kind of thinking and that kind of media relations gets us nowhere.
Posted by: Brewdog at September 10, 2015 01:05 PM (ZgUuK)
And him not sticking to a TRUE statement... something that is verifiably TRUE...
Showed many of us he had no fight in him....
I really believe that cost him the election... because people will not fight for someone who will not fight, for them...
Posted by: Brewdog at September 10, 2015 01:05 PM (ZgUuK)
And him not sticking to a TRUE statement... something that is verifiably TRUE...
Showed many of us he had no fight in him....
I really believe that cost him the election... because people will not fight for someone who will not fight, for them...
Posted by: BB Wolf at September 10, 2015 01:16 PM (qh617)
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I think Trump is awesome for the GOP, but I'd never vote for him.
His primary utility, IMO, is to just throw bombs at everyone before he blows himself up. The Establishment, the media, everyone.
Once he demonstrates that yes, you can actually be a good bit of the way towards a complete prick and still carry the public opinion as long as what you're saying is perceived to be true, that will (hopefully) embolden the candidates I actually MIGHT vote for to be a bit more strident in the defense of themselves, their beliefs, and more aggressive in attacking the Liberal Regime that exists between politics and the media.
Or not. I'm mostly a 'burn it all down''er, but I still look around now and then for something to give me a flicker of hope.
His primary utility, IMO, is to just throw bombs at everyone before he blows himself up. The Establishment, the media, everyone.
Once he demonstrates that yes, you can actually be a good bit of the way towards a complete prick and still carry the public opinion as long as what you're saying is perceived to be true, that will (hopefully) embolden the candidates I actually MIGHT vote for to be a bit more strident in the defense of themselves, their beliefs, and more aggressive in attacking the Liberal Regime that exists between politics and the media.
Or not. I'm mostly a 'burn it all down''er, but I still look around now and then for something to give me a flicker of hope.
Posted by: The Ban Nail at September 10, 2015 01:16 PM (qhNaZ)
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Would it help if Trump said things like "Well, you are likable enough" or described Dr. Carson as a "light skinned African American with no negro dialect ....".
Posted by: gracepmc at September 10, 2015 01:11 PM (DMQhB)
Oooh *carefully writes those down for later*
Posted by: gracepmc at September 10, 2015 01:11 PM (DMQhB)
Oooh *carefully writes those down for later*
Posted by: Joey "clean and articulate" Biden at September 10, 2015 01:17 PM (hvf9s)
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I am a not-particularly-attractive female. However, there is nothing wrong with my eyesight. And I have noticed that Carly Fiorina is amazingly plain for a female candidate for president. Trump has noticed it, too, and said it. So what?
Posted by: Avogadra
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Internecine ugliness is debilitating stuff. It uses up energy that is better expended elsewhere. If Trump had made such a comment about Hillary, we probably would not be having this discussion here.
Trump did a stupid thing, it seems. He is accustomed to having his bluster buffered by affluence. I would say that he had better learn to control that, except that I think it reflects his innate character and instincts.
Posted by: Avogadra
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Internecine ugliness is debilitating stuff. It uses up energy that is better expended elsewhere. If Trump had made such a comment about Hillary, we probably would not be having this discussion here.
Trump did a stupid thing, it seems. He is accustomed to having his bluster buffered by affluence. I would say that he had better learn to control that, except that I think it reflects his innate character and instincts.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 10, 2015 01:17 PM (9mTYi)
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Ace,
I think he's done now. He's labeled every candidate exactly how he wants, there may be something more with Carson, but I don't know.
And he'll let the outrage machine do his work for him.
John McCain once famously joked that the reason Chelsea Clinton was so ugly is because Janet Reno was her father.
And that guy has the temperament to be our candidate?? Attacking a teenage girl in the most horrible fashion and her family, the First Family.
Trump got the exact reaction he wanted. Now he's moving on.
I think he's done now. He's labeled every candidate exactly how he wants, there may be something more with Carson, but I don't know.
And he'll let the outrage machine do his work for him.
John McCain once famously joked that the reason Chelsea Clinton was so ugly is because Janet Reno was her father.
And that guy has the temperament to be our candidate?? Attacking a teenage girl in the most horrible fashion and her family, the First Family.
Trump got the exact reaction he wanted. Now he's moving on.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 10, 2015 01:17 PM (W7w/T)
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Carly looks great for her age - seriously she could pass for 45. But she could also play Cruella DeVille with just a black and white wig.
Hillary looks like Baba Yaga.
Hillary looks like Baba Yaga.
Posted by: @votermom at September 10, 2015 01:17 PM (cbfNE)
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"Sorry Ace, respectability is as outdated in modern politics as whistle stop campaigning by train."
Good god almighty.
Look at the idiot in the WH and tell me about being respectable.
Trump is an A-1 class act in comparison. I have yet to see anyone be given the finger by Trump yet nor have I seen Trump rest his shoes on a desk.
Good god almighty.
Look at the idiot in the WH and tell me about being respectable.
Trump is an A-1 class act in comparison. I have yet to see anyone be given the finger by Trump yet nor have I seen Trump rest his shoes on a desk.
Posted by: gdonovan at September 10, 2015 01:17 PM (2Ee1I)
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Megyn Kelly sells crack?
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 10, 2015 01:16 PM (7ZP43)
You stop your slanderous digits! Megyn is a saint.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 10, 2015 01:16 PM (7ZP43)
You stop your slanderous digits! Megyn is a saint.
Posted by: Draki at September 10, 2015 01:17 PM (0eidE)
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Ben Carson made a campaign stop in San Francisco two day ago, and a local reporter interviewed people who had gone to see him. Interestingly -- very interestingly -- there had been a lot of black people in the audience (church-going middle-class types, not angry BLM types), and the reporter interviewed two of them. Both said the same thing (paraphrasing):
"I'd heard about this guy Carson and was interested to hear what he had to say. And, gee, I really agreed with a lot of it! He is one insightful guy. I mean -- of course I won't vote for him (unspoken: "Because I have Stockholm Syndrome from being held captive by the Democratic party for so long"), but I admire Carson a lot now."
I agree that the Dems have the black vote chained in the basement, with no escape.
Posted by: zombie
I do think you would see a slightly better number for Republicans if you ran a black Republican against a white Democrat, but I'm not sure it would be a game changer.
If say Ben Carson were the nominee against Joe Biden, my guess is instead of a Republican getting 8% of the vote it might be 15%, but most of those votes are likely in states that don't matter (like the South) and a poor nominee that may seem out of his element could alienate a larger swath of the electorate.
"I'd heard about this guy Carson and was interested to hear what he had to say. And, gee, I really agreed with a lot of it! He is one insightful guy. I mean -- of course I won't vote for him (unspoken: "Because I have Stockholm Syndrome from being held captive by the Democratic party for so long"), but I admire Carson a lot now."
I agree that the Dems have the black vote chained in the basement, with no escape.
Posted by: zombie
I do think you would see a slightly better number for Republicans if you ran a black Republican against a white Democrat, but I'm not sure it would be a game changer.
If say Ben Carson were the nominee against Joe Biden, my guess is instead of a Republican getting 8% of the vote it might be 15%, but most of those votes are likely in states that don't matter (like the South) and a poor nominee that may seem out of his element could alienate a larger swath of the electorate.
Posted by: Coolio at September 10, 2015 01:17 PM (/Py5b)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 10, 2015 01:17 PM (rwI+c)
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Posted by: CJ at September 10, 2015 01:14 PM (9KqcB)
hat tip to cj for the scot adams blog post
blog.dilbert.com
short and sweet and right on the money.
Trump is living rent free in everyone's heads.
hat tip to cj for the scot adams blog post
blog.dilbert.com
short and sweet and right on the money.
Trump is living rent free in everyone's heads.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 10, 2015 01:17 PM (x3GpS)
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One thing for certain: President Trump won't be banging any fat, ugly interns. Only the thin, classy ones with $10,000 tits. That rates as a yuuge improvement.
One thing for certain: President Trump won't be banging any fat, ugly interns. Only the thin, classy ones with $10,000 tits. That rates as a yuuge improvement.
Posted by: Gold Plated Gap Dress at September 10, 2015 01:17 PM (nFhjK)
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So it's fair game to make fun of Trump's appearance but not Fiorina's.
Must be some of that equality I hear so much about
So it's fair game to make fun of Trump's appearance but not Fiorina's.
Must be some of that equality I hear so much about
Posted by: MAx at September 10, 2015 01:17 PM (LAliD)
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@ 520 Megyn Kelly will make Trump pay for that crack.
Megyn Kelly sells crack?
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 10, 2015 01:16 PM (7ZP43)
crack=cleavage
@ 520 Megyn Kelly will make Trump pay for that crack.
Megyn Kelly sells crack?
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 10, 2015 01:16 PM (7ZP43)
crack=cleavage
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 10, 2015 01:17 PM (0O7c5)
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Trump's supporters are helping me understand how Obama got elected.
Posted by: Beef Supreme at September 10, 2015 01:17 PM (lU0bX)
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271 see the gif i added... pro trump or anti, that's funny stuff.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:37 PM (dciA+)
GIF would be better if it was accurate. Carson: nice guy. Carly: that face. Jeb: low energy. Perry: who?
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:37 PM (dciA+)
GIF would be better if it was accurate. Carson: nice guy. Carly: that face. Jeb: low energy. Perry: who?
Posted by: mtmolehill at September 10, 2015 01:18 PM (tVs4V)
583
Good post, Ace. I agree with it. I think his personal boorishness will get him in trouble. and I doubt he's listen to anyone critiquing him on it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 10, 2015 01:18 PM (OSs/l)
584
it's because her expressions are as convincing as a Nintendo R.O.B.'s.
That hurt.
That hurt.
Posted by: nintendo r.o.b. at September 10, 2015 01:18 PM (LYqIl)
585
Trump will tell you what you want to hear. Whether Trump believes it or not is another question entirely...
Posted by: The Political Hat at September 10, 2015 01:18 PM (P11N5)
586
553 Posted by: Roy at September 10, 2015 12:05 PM (VndSC)
Reagan made fun of Carter's looks or the looks of other candidates? Really? I missed that.
Comparing Trump to Reagan is like comparing Sid Cesar to Julius Caesar.
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Well its been nearly forty years since Reagan. That is a whole lotta new unassimilated Americans since then. If you want a polite America, it requires a whole lot of norming (which means repression - cultural and political). Unfortunately we have no norm for becoming American other than blame whitey. See the problem?
Reagan made fun of Carter's looks or the looks of other candidates? Really? I missed that.
Comparing Trump to Reagan is like comparing Sid Cesar to Julius Caesar.
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Well its been nearly forty years since Reagan. That is a whole lotta new unassimilated Americans since then. If you want a polite America, it requires a whole lot of norming (which means repression - cultural and political). Unfortunately we have no norm for becoming American other than blame whitey. See the problem?
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2015 01:18 PM (oDCMR)
587
okay... and Trump lost this fight. He fragged himself.
Oh wait you'll claim what, that he really moved the needle in his direction?
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:33 PM (dciA+)
What makes you say he "lost this fight". Is it because he lost you?
Oh wait you'll claim what, that he really moved the needle in his direction?
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:33 PM (dciA+)
What makes you say he "lost this fight". Is it because he lost you?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 01:18 PM (LXJ1e)
588
559
I'm kind of a Cruz guy too...but seeing him get squished by Huckster in Kentucky and then showing up at the Anti-Iran deal rally makes me think twice.
"We need to stop this deal" - the one I helped get to the point of no return.
Huh?
Posted by: GBruno at September 10, 2015 01:15 PM (u49WF)
Cruz and Rubio have a lot of similarities. I think they both tried to get establishment support for a presidential bid, thinking they had good grass roots support. Cruz stayed a little farther out than Rubio, but he still did try to play nice with them.
Now that playing nice is not really tolerated, he's scrambling away. Rubio decided to stick with the establishment.
I'm kind of a Cruz guy too...but seeing him get squished by Huckster in Kentucky and then showing up at the Anti-Iran deal rally makes me think twice.
"We need to stop this deal" - the one I helped get to the point of no return.
Huh?
Posted by: GBruno at September 10, 2015 01:15 PM (u49WF)
Cruz and Rubio have a lot of similarities. I think they both tried to get establishment support for a presidential bid, thinking they had good grass roots support. Cruz stayed a little farther out than Rubio, but he still did try to play nice with them.
Now that playing nice is not really tolerated, he's scrambling away. Rubio decided to stick with the establishment.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 10, 2015 01:18 PM (bxoVs)
589
Rush is doing today's Jindal speech. I would agree with Jindal with everything he said right up until the point where he attacked Trump. Had he said what he said about Obama I would have cheered.
Trump isn't doing, isn't going to do, the damage to the country that Obama is doing, and Jindal chooses to attack Trump and not Obama.
Trump isn't doing, isn't going to do, the damage to the country that Obama is doing, and Jindal chooses to attack Trump and not Obama.
Posted by: Randull Hultguunson at September 10, 2015 01:19 PM (BzTuX)
590
Oh wow.
What was the actual number of black voters who would vote for Trump in the poll? The actual sample size.
Jezzuz I know the Meatball can back me up on this --the MOE on that is so through the roof that the roof is on fire.
Any poll that stated that conclusion without stating the MOE at the same time is so irresponsible that they should be considered illegitimate. If they were a real business they would be sued for malpractice but since they are basically an arm of the media they ramble on unchecked and everyone believes them because--SCIENCE!
What was the actual number of black voters who would vote for Trump in the poll? The actual sample size.
Jezzuz I know the Meatball can back me up on this --the MOE on that is so through the roof that the roof is on fire.
Any poll that stated that conclusion without stating the MOE at the same time is so irresponsible that they should be considered illegitimate. If they were a real business they would be sued for malpractice but since they are basically an arm of the media they ramble on unchecked and everyone believes them because--SCIENCE!
Posted by: Fatman at September 10, 2015 01:19 PM (mcm0N)
591
585 Trump will tell you what you want to hear. Whether Trump believes it or not is another question entirely...
Posted by: The Political Hat at September 10, 2015 01:18 PM (P11N5)
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So what if he believes it or not, so long as he does it.
Posted by: The Political Hat at September 10, 2015 01:18 PM (P11N5)
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So what if he believes it or not, so long as he does it.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 01:20 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 10, 2015 01:20 PM (JmGFJ)
593
@586 We think we pine for Reagan. We actually pine for the country that elected him.
Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at September 10, 2015 01:20 PM (k8tEg)
594
Now Megyn's face is yugely better than Carly's.
Posted by: Draki at September 10, 2015 01:14 PM (0eidE)
Megywyn is a good looking woman ... but her face is cock-eyed.
As to Carly ... it has looked to me like she ought to be thinking about suing some plastic surgeon. But Megywyn's face is more asymmetric, and I think it's "natural". I always figured that was the reason that Megywyn ended up being a lawyer/news bimbo rather than a model.
Posted by: Draki at September 10, 2015 01:14 PM (0eidE)
Megywyn is a good looking woman ... but her face is cock-eyed.
As to Carly ... it has looked to me like she ought to be thinking about suing some plastic surgeon. But Megywyn's face is more asymmetric, and I think it's "natural". I always figured that was the reason that Megywyn ended up being a lawyer/news bimbo rather than a model.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 10, 2015 01:20 PM (zc3Db)
595
And can anyone tell me why they painted Hillary's lips louder than her orange pantsuit for the last go around of "I'm sorry"?
And can anyone tell me why they painted Hillary's lips louder than her orange pantsuit for the last go around of "I'm sorry"?
Posted by: GBruno at September 10, 2015 01:20 PM (u49WF)
596
Comparing Trump to Reagan is like comparing Sid Cesar to Julius Caesar.
Posted by: Donna
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Checkers. to Chess
Posted by: Donna
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Checkers. to Chess
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 10, 2015 01:20 PM (9mTYi)
597
Does anyone here really care about Trump's insults? I mean really.
Does anyone really know what time it is? I don't
Does anyone really care?
Does anyone here really care about Trump's insults? I mean really.
Does anyone really know what time it is? I don't
Does anyone really care?
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2015 01:20 PM (JPBdn)
598
I've said before why I will never vote for Carly: she stiffed her campaign employees when she ran in CA. It took them a year to get paid. I understand the campaign coffers run dry but she is reported to be worth over $125 million bucks. That she couldnt dip into her own bank acct and pay these people is BS.
I've said before why I will never vote for Carly: she stiffed her campaign employees when she ran in CA. It took them a year to get paid. I understand the campaign coffers run dry but she is reported to be worth over $125 million bucks. That she couldnt dip into her own bank acct and pay these people is BS.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 10, 2015 01:20 PM (iQIUe)
599
Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at September 10, 2015 01:16 PM (k8tEg)
Neither Megyn nor Carly are what I would call conservative.
And I don't believe he was referring to their physically features.
I think he was referring to the mood you can see written on their faces. Megyns was out for blood and Carly's out for revenge.
Neither Megyn nor Carly are what I would call conservative.
And I don't believe he was referring to their physically features.
I think he was referring to the mood you can see written on their faces. Megyns was out for blood and Carly's out for revenge.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 10, 2015 01:20 PM (x3GpS)
600
581 Trump's supporters are helping me understand how Obama got elected. Posted by: Beef Supreme
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Odd, what I see is GOPe supporters repeating the Dole, McCain, and Romney campaign cuz they don't want to get dirty.
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Odd, what I see is GOPe supporters repeating the Dole, McCain, and Romney campaign cuz they don't want to get dirty.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2015 01:20 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Landofskybluewater at September 10, 2015 01:21 PM (G+M/v)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 10, 2015 01:21 PM (rwI+c)
603
(Insert story about Adams calling Jefferson a hermaphrodite here)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 10, 2015 12:45 PM (bxoVs)
Ha. He also called Hamilton "the bastard brat of a Scotch pedlar."
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 10, 2015 12:45 PM (bxoVs)
Ha. He also called Hamilton "the bastard brat of a Scotch pedlar."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 10, 2015 01:21 PM (zF6Iw)
604
blog.dilbert.com
short and sweet and right on the money.
Trump is living rent free in everyone's heads.
Adams has it right.
Trump draws attention to his opponents tactically.
Still waiting on the pull quote for "ugly", BTW.
short and sweet and right on the money.
Trump is living rent free in everyone's heads.
Adams has it right.
Trump draws attention to his opponents tactically.
Still waiting on the pull quote for "ugly", BTW.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:21 PM (ab6JC)
605
Rush is doing today's Jindal speech. I would agree with Jindal with everything he said right up until the point where he attacked Trump. Had he said what he said about Obama I would have cheered.
Trump isn't doing, isn't going to do, the damage to the country that Obama is doing, and Jindal chooses to attack Trump and not Obama.
Posted by: Randull Hultguunson at September 10, 2015 01:19 PM (BzTuX)
Jindal isn't running against Obama
Trump isn't doing, isn't going to do, the damage to the country that Obama is doing, and Jindal chooses to attack Trump and not Obama.
Posted by: Randull Hultguunson at September 10, 2015 01:19 PM (BzTuX)
Jindal isn't running against Obama
Posted by: The Political Hat at September 10, 2015 01:21 PM (P11N5)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 10, 2015 01:21 PM (VAsIq)
607
And can anyone tell me why they painted Hillary's lips louder than her orange pantsuit for the last go around of "I'm sorry"?
Posted by: GBruno
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Lipstick, pig.
Might as well have a go at it.
Posted by: GBruno
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Lipstick, pig.
Might as well have a go at it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 10, 2015 01:21 PM (9mTYi)
608
Drudge is keeping a picture of a caveman type dweller on top of his page. And below a picture of an artist rendering of a human relative.
Drudge is keeping a picture of a caveman type dweller on top of his page. And below a picture of an artist rendering of a human relative.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 10, 2015 01:22 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 10, 2015 01:23 PM (7ZP43)
610
Reading Ace is one thing. To get the essence of the man one must hear his voice on podcasts. This will illuminate his writings.
Think Joe Btfsplk.
Think Joe Btfsplk.
Posted by: S at September 10, 2015 01:23 PM (Wy4SJ)
611
"Trump is making all of us think past the close. The sale in this case is the idea that Fiorina's face will be a problem with voters. We accepted that part of his suggestion and went directly to the idea of whether mentioning it is okay or not."
-- Some truth to that from Scott Adams
-- Some truth to that from Scott Adams
Posted by: CJ at September 10, 2015 01:23 PM (9KqcB)
612
When the anchor throws to Carly Fiorina for her reaction to Trump's momentum, Trump's expression sours in schoolboy disgust as the camera bores in on Fiorina. "Look at that face!" he cries. "Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?!" The laughter grows halting and faint behind him. "I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"
Posted by: Dear Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:23 PM (VAsIq)
613
Jindal isn't running against Obama
Posted by: The Political Hat
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Let's hope that the primary season only results in friendly fire flesh wounds. The troops are going to be needed when the real battle is joined.
Posted by: The Political Hat
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Let's hope that the primary season only results in friendly fire flesh wounds. The troops are going to be needed when the real battle is joined.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 10, 2015 01:23 PM (9mTYi)
614
This is what will happen: the current crop of potential losers in the GOP field will get all up in arms and start attacking Trump out of anger over his personality. It will be attack Trump for this, attack him for that.....the media and the establishment blogosphere will continue to bash him on personality as if the MOST important problem our country is facing is the prospect of having someone outwardly rude (rather than inwardly) running the executive.
Then Trump will come along in the debates and ask these fellows and gals, why they can get so worked up over him, yet calmly, without emotion ponder the evils of ISIS, Planned Parenthood, the economy, immigration, etc.
The voters will look at all them losers and say it has to be Trump or some white knight that hasn't showed up yet.
Then Trump will come along in the debates and ask these fellows and gals, why they can get so worked up over him, yet calmly, without emotion ponder the evils of ISIS, Planned Parenthood, the economy, immigration, etc.
The voters will look at all them losers and say it has to be Trump or some white knight that hasn't showed up yet.
Posted by: doug at September 10, 2015 01:23 PM (+6OYi)
615
We think we pine for Reagan. We actually pine for the country that elected him.
Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant
I even pine for the America that elected FDR and Truman.
Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant
I even pine for the America that elected FDR and Truman.
Posted by: Coolio at September 10, 2015 01:24 PM (/Py5b)
616
Carly looked pretty good in the flannel and jeans at the Iowa State Fair...for a women who's been through the crap she has. Way better than Cankles. Treadmill my ass.
Carly looked pretty good in the flannel and jeans at the Iowa State Fair...for a women who's been through the crap she has. Way better than Cankles. Treadmill my ass.
Posted by: GBruno at September 10, 2015 01:24 PM (u49WF)
617
He's right, look at that face. What a pooch!! Here's the thing for everyone concerned about trumps latest gaffe, WE.DON'T.FUCKING.CARE.WHAT.YOU.THINK! If you are seriously that upset because a man inferred that a woman who is clearly unattractive, is in fact unattractive, them there's really no hope for you. You've accepted the mental shackles the Left has prepared for you. You may as well get used to Socialism because you'll never get back your liberty by fighting the way the Left wants you to. I beg you all, Grow some fucking BALLS!! We need you.
Posted by: Ken at September 10, 2015 01:24 PM (WLeoI)
618
@599 Not the point I was making.
You need to ask women who you would admit to the Card Carrying Conservative club whether they (a) like and/or (b) admire Megyn or Carley. My guess is that 90% would say yes to both. And however thin you or i may cut the word "face" its going to be seen as a yuuge fat insult to wimmen in general, including and especially conservative wimmen.
You need to ask women who you would admit to the Card Carrying Conservative club whether they (a) like and/or (b) admire Megyn or Carley. My guess is that 90% would say yes to both. And however thin you or i may cut the word "face" its going to be seen as a yuuge fat insult to wimmen in general, including and especially conservative wimmen.
Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at September 10, 2015 01:24 PM (k8tEg)
619
Megyn Kelly sells crack?
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 10, 2015 01:16 PM (7ZP43)
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Yeah, I heard that too... Crack head bimbo...
Megyn Kelly sells crack?
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 10, 2015 01:16 PM (7ZP43)
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Yeah, I heard that too... Crack head bimbo...
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 10, 2015 01:24 PM (HSmrB)
620
Spy Magazine called Trump the "Short Fingered Vulgarian" for a reason.
Posted by: Evi. L. Bloggerlady at September 10, 2015 01:24 PM (4kTo2)
621
We should start calling hillary Chillary bwcase shes so cold.
We should start calling hillary Chillary bwcase shes so cold.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2015 01:24 PM (JPBdn)
622
Moar Trump, yay!
One county away from here, there's a 17 year old kid who wants to dress up like a girl, and is now refusing to use unisex bathrooms at school.
Essentially the whole county appears to be dealing with this 24/7.
What does this have to do with Trump?
If you spend all your time talking about people who beclown themselves, then really, who IS the clown here? Them or you?
One county away from here, there's a 17 year old kid who wants to dress up like a girl, and is now refusing to use unisex bathrooms at school.
Essentially the whole county appears to be dealing with this 24/7.
What does this have to do with Trump?
If you spend all your time talking about people who beclown themselves, then really, who IS the clown here? Them or you?
Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2015 01:24 PM (TOk1P)
623
Does this pantsuit make my camel-toe look ginormous?
Posted by: Hillary! at September 10, 2015 01:25 PM (SB4N+)
624
585 Trump will tell you what you want to hear. Whether Trump believes it or not is another question entirely...
Posted by: The Political Hat at September 10, 2015 01:18 PM (P11N5)
This.
Posted by: The Political Hat at September 10, 2015 01:18 PM (P11N5)
This.
Posted by: Iblis at September 10, 2015 01:25 PM (9221z)
625
Limbaugh just read the *rest* of Jindal's strong Trump comments, which (my imperfect summary) amounted to: yep, the country's in deep trouble, the political class has failed, it's good that there is a Trump to open that discussion, but he's not serious and we need to get serious about some of the real crises he has highlighted.
I'd guess (guess) that 95% of Trump "supporters" here share almost all of this analysis. Trump as instrument (blunt, as one commenter keeps rightly putting it).
Limbaugh just read the *rest* of Jindal's strong Trump comments, which (my imperfect summary) amounted to: yep, the country's in deep trouble, the political class has failed, it's good that there is a Trump to open that discussion, but he's not serious and we need to get serious about some of the real crises he has highlighted.
I'd guess (guess) that 95% of Trump "supporters" here share almost all of this analysis. Trump as instrument (blunt, as one commenter keeps rightly putting it).
Posted by: rhomboid at September 10, 2015 01:25 PM (QDnY+)
626
Carly isn't unattractive. Not hot, not any more, but pleasant to look at. So I found Trump's remark uncalled for.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 10, 2015 01:26 PM (rO3Rg)
627
I will notice that this is the only time Jindal has gotten any press since he announced.
And I suspect it will be the last, until he withdraws.
And I suspect it will be the last, until he withdraws.
Posted by: Donald Trump at September 10, 2015 01:26 PM (oVJmc)
628
Here's a beautiful woman.
http://michellemalkin.com/
Carson's wife.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (qCMvj)
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Thank you, artisanal, because I was reminded of old Harry Truman when he was denigrated about his wife's looks. She looks the way a woman of her age should look -- like my mother and grandmother. Strong and accomplished.
http://michellemalkin.com/
Carson's wife.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (qCMvj)
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Thank you, artisanal, because I was reminded of old Harry Truman when he was denigrated about his wife's looks. She looks the way a woman of her age should look -- like my mother and grandmother. Strong and accomplished.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 10, 2015 01:26 PM (MIKMs)
629
@612
Not seeing the word "ugly".
Only a hypersensitive teenager would take that quote as referring to "ugly".
Yeah, Trump is 'thin-skinned'. Wow.
P.S. It's in your head.
Not seeing the word "ugly".
Only a hypersensitive teenager would take that quote as referring to "ugly".
Yeah, Trump is 'thin-skinned'. Wow.
P.S. It's in your head.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:26 PM (ab6JC)
630
550 comments on something Trump didn't actually say.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:14 PM (ab6JC)
Hot Air excerpted a good-sized chunk of the Stones interview, here: http://tinyurl.com/nhxsh3p
Must be quite the burden, being an apologist for a terrible human being.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:14 PM (ab6JC)
Hot Air excerpted a good-sized chunk of the Stones interview, here: http://tinyurl.com/nhxsh3p
Must be quite the burden, being an apologist for a terrible human being.
Posted by: troyriser at September 10, 2015 01:27 PM (UWlp+)
631
WE.DON'T.FUCKING.CARE.WHAT.YOU.THINK!
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You have an odd recruiting methodology.
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You have an odd recruiting methodology.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 10, 2015 01:27 PM (9mTYi)
632
So I found Trump's remark uncalled for.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 10, 2015 01:26 PM (rO3Rg)
What did he say, exactly?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 10, 2015 01:26 PM (rO3Rg)
What did he say, exactly?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 10, 2015 01:27 PM (zc3Db)
633
WE have created a generation of women who feel fully entitled to talk shit about men and then act aghast if any of it gets returned to them.
You can put 'em on a pedestal if you want but you're crippling your sons AND your daughters doing it
keywords: entitlement, pedestalization
WE have created a generation of women who feel fully entitled to talk shit about men and then act aghast if any of it gets returned to them.
You can put 'em on a pedestal if you want but you're crippling your sons AND your daughters doing it
keywords: entitlement, pedestalization
Posted by: MAx at September 10, 2015 01:27 PM (LAliD)
634
395 #371
Everytime a poll talks about a "subset" of a sample the margin of error screams upwards.
Posted by: Fatman at September 10, 2015 12:54 PM (mcm0N)
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It was +\- 6% on that subset (it's noted right next to it in the pdf) - the point was give or take he's no worse of than Jebby poo.
Everytime a poll talks about a "subset" of a sample the margin of error screams upwards.
Posted by: Fatman at September 10, 2015 12:54 PM (mcm0N)
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It was +\- 6% on that subset (it's noted right next to it in the pdf) - the point was give or take he's no worse of than Jebby poo.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 10, 2015 01:27 PM (MbrzC)
635
"He is going to say something about Beyonce or something and that will be it."
I had no idea she's a sacred cow. You learn something every day.
I had no idea she's a sacred cow. You learn something every day.
Posted by: Decaf at September 10, 2015 01:27 PM (jILzT)
636
A few people heard of Spy magazine. Even fewer people have read Spy mag.
A few people heard of Spy magazine. Even fewer people have read Spy mag.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2015 01:27 PM (JPBdn)
637
585 Trump will tell you what you want to hear. Whether Trump believes it or not is another question entirely...
Posted by: The Political Hat at September 10, 2015 01:18 PM (P11N5)
This.
Posted by: Iblis at September 10, 2015 01:25 PM (9221z)
Actually, I thought the problem was the opposite: Trump keeps telling people what they DON'T want to hear, whether he believes it or not.
I think if Trump was to START telling people what they wanted to hear, he wouldn't be leading in the polls.
Posted by: The Political Hat at September 10, 2015 01:18 PM (P11N5)
This.
Posted by: Iblis at September 10, 2015 01:25 PM (9221z)
Actually, I thought the problem was the opposite: Trump keeps telling people what they DON'T want to hear, whether he believes it or not.
I think if Trump was to START telling people what they wanted to hear, he wouldn't be leading in the polls.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2015 01:28 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Arson Wells at September 10, 2015 01:28 PM (UnJ7w)
639
Some folks say I'm an unstable unserious narcissistic ego maniac.
Hell, I don't even know what that means.
But I guess it has something to do with the way
that I fill out my skin tight blue jeans.
Hell, I don't even know what that means.
But I guess it has something to do with the way
that I fill out my skin tight blue jeans.
Posted by: The Donald at September 10, 2015 01:28 PM (QHgTq)
640
Still waiting on the pull quote for "ugly", BTW.
This, apparently:
Onscreen, they've cut away to a spot with Scott Walker, the creaky-robot governor of Wisconsin. Praised by the anchor for his "slow but steady" style, Walker is about to respond when Trump chimes in, "Yeah, he's slow, all right! That's what we got already: slowwww." His staffers at the conference table howl and hoot; their man, though, is just getting warm. When the anchor throws to Carly Fiorina for her reaction to Trump's momentum, Trump's expression sours in schoolboy disgust as the camera bores in on Fiorina. "Look at that face!" he cries. "Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?!" The laughter grows halting and faint behind him. "I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"
This, apparently:
Onscreen, they've cut away to a spot with Scott Walker, the creaky-robot governor of Wisconsin. Praised by the anchor for his "slow but steady" style, Walker is about to respond when Trump chimes in, "Yeah, he's slow, all right! That's what we got already: slowwww." His staffers at the conference table howl and hoot; their man, though, is just getting warm. When the anchor throws to Carly Fiorina for her reaction to Trump's momentum, Trump's expression sours in schoolboy disgust as the camera bores in on Fiorina. "Look at that face!" he cries. "Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?!" The laughter grows halting and faint behind him. "I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"
Posted by: andycanuck at September 10, 2015 01:29 PM (LYqIl)
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:29 PM (ab6JC)
642
615 We think we pine for Reagan. We actually pine for the country that elected him.
Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant
I even pine for the America that elected FDR and Truman.
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Yep - massive immigration has real costs both quantitatively and most importantly, qualitatively. We've had a 40 year deluge. Its time to call the party off and teach our new Americans not to steal manhole covers off the streets cuz reasons.
Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant
I even pine for the America that elected FDR and Truman.
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Yep - massive immigration has real costs both quantitatively and most importantly, qualitatively. We've had a 40 year deluge. Its time to call the party off and teach our new Americans not to steal manhole covers off the streets cuz reasons.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2015 01:29 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: ¡Jeb! at September 10, 2015 01:29 PM (4vXIq)
644
Must be quite the burden, being an apologist for a terrible human being.
Posted by: troyriser at September 10, 2015 01:27 PM (UWlp+)
To ask, "Look at that face. Who would vote for that?" is the worst thing in the world?
Sheesh. You must faint a lot.
Posted by: troyriser at September 10, 2015 01:27 PM (UWlp+)
To ask, "Look at that face. Who would vote for that?" is the worst thing in the world?
Sheesh. You must faint a lot.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 10, 2015 01:30 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 10, 2015 01:30 PM (LA7Cm)
646
Trump's remark about Carly deserves another 1000 comments, that's how important it was.
Posted by: Jimmah at September 10, 2015 01:30 PM (1Y+hH)
647
Hi Ace,
I'm not sure I see how this hurts Trump. Yes, it was mean and coarse but so is the public in general. If you want to further locate the uneasiness to the suburban set, then I'd say you might be a bit off base. There is no more shallow and catty group than the middle to upper middle class Republican women.
In short, I think people agree with Trump on Carly so he'll get a pass. Will he go to far? Prolly, but my guess is that he is capable of learning.
MJ
I'm not sure I see how this hurts Trump. Yes, it was mean and coarse but so is the public in general. If you want to further locate the uneasiness to the suburban set, then I'd say you might be a bit off base. There is no more shallow and catty group than the middle to upper middle class Republican women.
In short, I think people agree with Trump on Carly so he'll get a pass. Will he go to far? Prolly, but my guess is that he is capable of learning.
MJ
Posted by: MJ at September 10, 2015 01:30 PM (2gYQK)
Posted by: Fatman at September 10, 2015 01:30 PM (mcm0N)
649
I'm laughing at the BLMs & SJWs whining that Palin called them dogs. She said no such thing. She did say obama has not called his dogs off. To be honest, I value a dog's life over those chumps any day.
I'm laughing at the BLMs & SJWs whining that Palin called them dogs. She said no such thing. She did say obama has not called his dogs off. To be honest, I value a dog's life over those chumps any day.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 10, 2015 01:30 PM (iQIUe)
650
One final note: I love it that Trump pisses off George Will so much.
George Will, who complained bout men wearing shorts to a baseball game.
It's petty but it amuses me to think of George Will getting all red in the face and balling his tiny fists and screaming like "Khaaaaaan!" except it's "Truuuuuuuump!"
George Will, who complained bout men wearing shorts to a baseball game.
It's petty but it amuses me to think of George Will getting all red in the face and balling his tiny fists and screaming like "Khaaaaaan!" except it's "Truuuuuuuump!"
Posted by: Brewdog at September 10, 2015 01:31 PM (ZgUuK)
651
Trump will tell you what you want to hear. Whether Trump believes it or not is another question entirely...
Posted by: The Political Hat
I think he believes it when he says it. And when he says the opposite, he believes that in the moment, too.
Posted by: The Political Hat
I think he believes it when he says it. And when he says the opposite, he believes that in the moment, too.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 10, 2015 01:31 PM (VAsIq)
652
We think we pine for Reagan. We actually pine for the country that elected him.
You want George Washington with a Maxim gun. You'll settle for a brash businessman with a helicopter. But you'll get just another crony government politician.
See link in nic for painting of Washington with a Maxim gun.
You want George Washington with a Maxim gun. You'll settle for a brash businessman with a helicopter. But you'll get just another crony government politician.
See link in nic for painting of Washington with a Maxim gun.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 10, 2015 01:31 PM (2lndx)
653
I just read that entire thing.
Folks, in 2010 Carly knocked Boxer for her hairdo.
Are we literally this sensitive that a meanie joke sets us off? Told in private. He also joked on Scott Walker. Where's the outrage there???
Where's the outrage of stupid Jindal holding an actual, formal press conference saying that Trump sucks? Going after his faith? WTF? Should every candidate but Cruz schedule one of those. It's beyond ridiculous and offensive.
No, this won't affect it one bit imho. He has done what he wanted to in the field.
Now, it's time for business. "You mess with the bull, you get the horns, sweetheart." Trump's female Iowa cochair. Delicious.
Folks, in 2010 Carly knocked Boxer for her hairdo.
Are we literally this sensitive that a meanie joke sets us off? Told in private. He also joked on Scott Walker. Where's the outrage there???
Where's the outrage of stupid Jindal holding an actual, formal press conference saying that Trump sucks? Going after his faith? WTF? Should every candidate but Cruz schedule one of those. It's beyond ridiculous and offensive.
No, this won't affect it one bit imho. He has done what he wanted to in the field.
Now, it's time for business. "You mess with the bull, you get the horns, sweetheart." Trump's female Iowa cochair. Delicious.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 10, 2015 01:31 PM (W7w/T)
654
For all the yuks we have about the SJWs and their "fainting couch", it seems that a lot of people here get the swoon going over everything Trump says. It's September. We got five months until the first freaking primary. Take a breath and get perspective. Stop being a bunch of nancies.
Posted by: Asshole Banana Splits Guy at September 10, 2015 01:32 PM (9bHK/)
655
"Must be quite the burden, being an apologist for a terrible human being.
Posted by: troyriser at September 10, 2015 01:27 PM (UWlp+)"
and that is a perfect example of what we're talking about here.
Thank you for that. It was a perfect 'kill shot'.
Posted by: troyriser at September 10, 2015 01:27 PM (UWlp+)"
and that is a perfect example of what we're talking about here.
Thank you for that. It was a perfect 'kill shot'.
Posted by: Randull Hultguunson at September 10, 2015 01:32 PM (BzTuX)
656
But I guess it has something to do with the way
that I fill out my skin tight blue jeans.
Posted by: The Donald
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You'll be hearing from my lawyers.
that I fill out my skin tight blue jeans.
Posted by: The Donald
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You'll be hearing from my lawyers.
Posted by: Mac Davis at September 10, 2015 01:32 PM (9mTYi)
657
I would love to be given a reason to gasp in horror and drop any thoughts of Trump.
The PC word-mincing and mind-reading among the TDS-afflicted is beyond pathetic.
You guys should work for HuffPo . Fainting spells are a job requirement.
The PC word-mincing and mind-reading among the TDS-afflicted is beyond pathetic.
You guys should work for HuffPo . Fainting spells are a job requirement.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:32 PM (ab6JC)
658
Shit. Everyone in the world makes jokes about Trump's hair all day long and all The Donald does is laugh with them about it, but he makes one crack about a face (that seems a bit of a plastic surgery mishap) and we have people dropping to the ground in convulsions.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 10, 2015 01:32 PM (zc3Db)
659
When the anchor throws to Carly Fiorina for her reaction to Trump's
momentum, Trump's expression sours in schoolboy disgust as the camera
bores in on Fiorina. "Look at that face!"
Well, then, wouldn't it be relevant to see her face at that moment? Was she scowling? Grim? Disheveled?
It seems a direct reference to the video he's watching at that second, so what's the context?
momentum, Trump's expression sours in schoolboy disgust as the camera
bores in on Fiorina. "Look at that face!"
Well, then, wouldn't it be relevant to see her face at that moment? Was she scowling? Grim? Disheveled?
It seems a direct reference to the video he's watching at that second, so what's the context?
Posted by: Donald Trump at September 10, 2015 01:33 PM (oVJmc)
660
Still waiting on the pull quote for "ugly", BTW.
This, apparently:
Onscreen, they've cut away to a spot with Scott Walker, the
creaky-robot governor of Wisconsin. Praised by the anchor for his "slow
but steady" style, Walker is about to respond when Trump chimes in,
"Yeah, he's slow, all right! That's what we got already: slowwww." His
staffers at the conference table howl and hoot; their man, though, is
just getting warm. When the anchor throws to Carly Fiorina for her
reaction to Trump's momentum, Trump's expression sours in schoolboy
disgust as the camera bores in on Fiorina. "Look at that face!" he
cries. "Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of
our next president?!" The laughter grows halting and faint behind him.
"I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but
really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"
Posted by: andycanuck at September 10, 2015 01:29 PM (LYqIl)
Paraphrased punch line of a Flip Wilson joke:
As an apology to you, Mr. Fiorina, your dinner is on us. Compliments of the railroad. And maybe we can find a banana for your monkey.
This, apparently:
Onscreen, they've cut away to a spot with Scott Walker, the
creaky-robot governor of Wisconsin. Praised by the anchor for his "slow
but steady" style, Walker is about to respond when Trump chimes in,
"Yeah, he's slow, all right! That's what we got already: slowwww." His
staffers at the conference table howl and hoot; their man, though, is
just getting warm. When the anchor throws to Carly Fiorina for her
reaction to Trump's momentum, Trump's expression sours in schoolboy
disgust as the camera bores in on Fiorina. "Look at that face!" he
cries. "Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of
our next president?!" The laughter grows halting and faint behind him.
"I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but
really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"
Posted by: andycanuck at September 10, 2015 01:29 PM (LYqIl)
Paraphrased punch line of a Flip Wilson joke:
As an apology to you, Mr. Fiorina, your dinner is on us. Compliments of the railroad. And maybe we can find a banana for your monkey.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2015 01:33 PM (TOk1P)
661
Whoops, sock.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 10, 2015 01:33 PM (oVJmc)
662
I am not surprised Trump is attacking both Carson and Fiorina because they are the other ones rising in the polls against him. I am not surprised that Trump is using ad hominem attacks, because that's the best he has. He doesn't take time to do his homework and think deeply on a subject because that is what his advisors are for.
When Trump and Fiorina both took the same set of questions from Hugh Hewitt it highlighted something that had been percolating in the back of my mind: Trump thinks that he is too good for it. Too good to do research, to good to examine his own convictions for their source.
I heard some Trump supporters say that Fiorina obviously stalled and had someone feed her answers. Perhaps that is so - but Trump seemed offended to even be asked and didn't even try to do that.
I went back and listened to all of Hewitt's interviews with both of them. It was enlightening to listen to them back to back. Trump doesn't address the questions he just goes on these long, rambling, stream of consciousness monologues which are peppered with statements with how smart and perfect Donald Trump is. Fiorina engages and answers the questions even as she steers everything back to her talking points. She is going to tear him apart in a serious debate if he doesn't buckle down and find a substantive attack to her.
When Trump and Fiorina both took the same set of questions from Hugh Hewitt it highlighted something that had been percolating in the back of my mind: Trump thinks that he is too good for it. Too good to do research, to good to examine his own convictions for their source.
I heard some Trump supporters say that Fiorina obviously stalled and had someone feed her answers. Perhaps that is so - but Trump seemed offended to even be asked and didn't even try to do that.
I went back and listened to all of Hewitt's interviews with both of them. It was enlightening to listen to them back to back. Trump doesn't address the questions he just goes on these long, rambling, stream of consciousness monologues which are peppered with statements with how smart and perfect Donald Trump is. Fiorina engages and answers the questions even as she steers everything back to her talking points. She is going to tear him apart in a serious debate if he doesn't buckle down and find a substantive attack to her.
Posted by: tms at September 10, 2015 01:33 PM (gQHeD)
663
For all the yuks we have about the SJWs and their "fainting couch", it
seems that a lot of people here get the swoon going over everything
Trump says.
+1000
seems that a lot of people here get the swoon going over everything
Trump says.
+1000
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:33 PM (ab6JC)
Posted by: pam at September 10, 2015 01:34 PM (cF0hS)
665
Middle Class Morality. Alfred P. Doolittle.
Posted by: George Tirebiter at September 10, 2015 01:34 PM (/zyrl)
666
Ya know..... Im a bit perplexed.
I dont normally particularly care for people with Trumps personality.
But.... I find myself pulling for him. Im not sure if he's growing on me..... or everybody else is so...... political...... that his ornery rascality has tugged at my sense of "fuck you assholes".
In any event..... I am pleased he befuddles, and angers, all the right people. Perhaps it's time this country returned to having men of enterprise who speak their mind run things for a while.
Ya know..... Im a bit perplexed.
I dont normally particularly care for people with Trumps personality.
But.... I find myself pulling for him. Im not sure if he's growing on me..... or everybody else is so...... political...... that his ornery rascality has tugged at my sense of "fuck you assholes".
In any event..... I am pleased he befuddles, and angers, all the right people. Perhaps it's time this country returned to having men of enterprise who speak their mind run things for a while.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2015 01:34 PM (8XRCm)
667
And yes, Trump did make an 'I'd hit that' remark about his own daughter. That's not 'Trump being Trump'. Unless it is. If it is, I sincerely hope Trump says even more outrageous and depraved things like, for example, his love of bestiality or some such thing.
Watching his supporters going through impossible contortions to defend the man will be hilarious, at least at first, and then maybea little pathetic when realization and awareness seep in.
Watching his supporters going through impossible contortions to defend the man will be hilarious, at least at first, and then maybea little pathetic when realization and awareness seep in.
Posted by: troyriser at September 10, 2015 01:34 PM (UWlp+)
668
That's a mini-gun.
That's a mini-gun.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at September 10, 2015 01:35 PM (9mTYi)
669
To add some perspective, the "front runner' for the Democrats is a long-standing criminal who's current legal status is "busted, disgusted and can't be trusted" for leaking top secret state security matters, action that any one us would see the inside of a cell for. That doesn't even mentioned her 35 plus years of prior criminality.
And we are clucking our tongues over the equivalent of playground taunts? Slow news day?
If Trump called her a criminal on stage in a debate, I'd name my first born after him. And I don't like Trump. I'm not going to carry around a pocket copy of Robert's Rules of Order" ready to send the man back to Vegas.
The fact that Hillary is still in the race, and not in holding with mascara running down her eyes and sweat on her brow after a 14 hour interrogation under hot lights is all the evidence you need that this nation is shot to hell.
Trump's slogan should be "Trump for President in 2016 - What could I do? F*ck it up?"
I don't give 2/10ths of a shit if he called her "ugly", or she called him "comb-over", etc. I care more about an Iran "deal" that risks destabilizing the already unstable Mid East that Republicans sold the nation out on. I care more about comments like "fundamentally transforming" or "under my program, energy prices will necessary skyrocket" or "its a tax not a penalty". You know, shit that actually "matters".
And we are clucking our tongues over the equivalent of playground taunts? Slow news day?
If Trump called her a criminal on stage in a debate, I'd name my first born after him. And I don't like Trump. I'm not going to carry around a pocket copy of Robert's Rules of Order" ready to send the man back to Vegas.
The fact that Hillary is still in the race, and not in holding with mascara running down her eyes and sweat on her brow after a 14 hour interrogation under hot lights is all the evidence you need that this nation is shot to hell.
Trump's slogan should be "Trump for President in 2016 - What could I do? F*ck it up?"
I don't give 2/10ths of a shit if he called her "ugly", or she called him "comb-over", etc. I care more about an Iran "deal" that risks destabilizing the already unstable Mid East that Republicans sold the nation out on. I care more about comments like "fundamentally transforming" or "under my program, energy prices will necessary skyrocket" or "its a tax not a penalty". You know, shit that actually "matters".
Posted by: Saltydonnie at September 10, 2015 01:35 PM (i6shs)
670
You tease, Stephen Price Blair. The pic isn't "enlarge-able" with a click---basically just a thumbnail. 
Posted by: andycanuck at September 10, 2015 01:35 PM (LYqIl)
671
Came in to also chime in about Scott Adams' blog. Glad so many have beat me to it. Scott is nailing it.
Posted by: other joe_mama at September 10, 2015 01:35 PM (13W9U)
672
And yes, Trump did make an 'I'd hit that' remark about his own daughter.
3rd request. Please post the quote and source.
Thank you.
3rd request. Please post the quote and source.
Thank you.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:35 PM (ab6JC)
673
"You have an odd recruiting methodology."
Fcuk you! Vote for me!
Posted by: Ricardo Kil
Battered wife syndrome?
Fcuk you! Vote for me!
Posted by: Ricardo Kil
Battered wife syndrome?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 10, 2015 01:36 PM (W5DcG)
674
>>>>>617 You've accepted the mental shackles the Left has prepared for you. You may as well get used to Socialism because you'll never get back your liberty by fighting the way the Left wants you to. I beg you all, Grow some fucking BALLS!! We need you.
Posted by: Ken at September 10, 2015 01:24 PM
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The fvcking shackles have been on since Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Bush and Barky. Where the hell have you been?
You think magic Trump will undo all that? Reagan couldn't even begin to try. He couldn't even get a Supreme Court Justice to keep a promise.
At this point, I'd be happy to just minimize the damage of Obama.
They all lied. They all lie.
Posted by: Ken at September 10, 2015 01:24 PM
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The fvcking shackles have been on since Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Bush and Barky. Where the hell have you been?
You think magic Trump will undo all that? Reagan couldn't even begin to try. He couldn't even get a Supreme Court Justice to keep a promise.
At this point, I'd be happy to just minimize the damage of Obama.
They all lied. They all lie.
Posted by: GBruno at September 10, 2015 01:36 PM (u49WF)
675
Troyriser: that was a howard stern bit from years and years ago. Or is it only ok now for Megyn Kelly to be ridiculous and naughty on the stern show. She's the serious, somber journalist?
Posted by: prescient11 at September 10, 2015 01:37 PM (W7w/T)
676
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:29 PM (ab6JC)
troyriser may have read the magazine article.
It's not online yet to grab a quote from and a link.
But I don't know if it's true or not.
Seems like the media would be all over that more than the Face comment.
troyriser may have read the magazine article.
It's not online yet to grab a quote from and a link.
But I don't know if it's true or not.
Seems like the media would be all over that more than the Face comment.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 10, 2015 01:37 PM (x3GpS)
677
news flash....TRUMP AIN'T THE PROBLEM
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I'm too old, fat, and out of shape to pick up a gun and go revolutionary. Even if I weren't, I don't know who to shoot that would solve the problem. On the other hand, I won at the ballot box in 2010 and 2014 and that didn't even affect the problem. So the bullet or ballot options are no options because neither works. Nor does education. 80% oppose A-Bombs to I-Ran but we're having it anyway. The Supreme Court routinely violates the letter and the spirit of the constitution.
But the problem is Trump acts like a three year old throwing a temper tantrum.
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I'm too old, fat, and out of shape to pick up a gun and go revolutionary. Even if I weren't, I don't know who to shoot that would solve the problem. On the other hand, I won at the ballot box in 2010 and 2014 and that didn't even affect the problem. So the bullet or ballot options are no options because neither works. Nor does education. 80% oppose A-Bombs to I-Ran but we're having it anyway. The Supreme Court routinely violates the letter and the spirit of the constitution.
But the problem is Trump acts like a three year old throwing a temper tantrum.
Posted by: The Great _______ Snark at September 10, 2015 01:37 PM (MC23X)
678
I heard some Trump supporters say that Fiorina obviously stalled and had someone feed her answers.
One of the things that I like about Fiorina is that she pauses before every answer. She at least pretends to think about how to best respond.
Another thing is that she has mastered the ability to keep talking when the interviewer tries to interrupt her and stop her answer. She doesn't raise her voice, or get flustered, just keeps on talking. Sometimes I think she must have an off switch for the in-ear headphones.
The former will probably hurt her if her numbers continue to rise; the latter should help.
One of the things that I like about Fiorina is that she pauses before every answer. She at least pretends to think about how to best respond.
Another thing is that she has mastered the ability to keep talking when the interviewer tries to interrupt her and stop her answer. She doesn't raise her voice, or get flustered, just keeps on talking. Sometimes I think she must have an off switch for the in-ear headphones.
The former will probably hurt her if her numbers continue to rise; the latter should help.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 10, 2015 01:37 PM (2lndx)
679
In the end I think Trump has to get some details to his promise of "hope and change". He clearly is not getting the full blown tongue licking like Obama's "hope and change" got.
But TRump fro one has money, or maybe he has tapped into the anti-matter ... dark energy. Obama got the PC energy, Trump has the anti-PC ... anti-establishment, anti-all media power.
But he can't be PC under the surface, like with his big open door at the border and touch back amnesty. But if he can show he really will fight for the forgotten man, and control his perceived misogynist flaps, he might be "the won". But he has to convince sensible people, so needs more policy ... some emotional outbursts are allowed, better than low energy.
Most other candidate's enthusiasm has seem forced, but Hillary already is trying to latch on to "can't wait to debate Trump on women's issues", cuz ... she is Woman.
But TRump fro one has money, or maybe he has tapped into the anti-matter ... dark energy. Obama got the PC energy, Trump has the anti-PC ... anti-establishment, anti-all media power.
But he can't be PC under the surface, like with his big open door at the border and touch back amnesty. But if he can show he really will fight for the forgotten man, and control his perceived misogynist flaps, he might be "the won". But he has to convince sensible people, so needs more policy ... some emotional outbursts are allowed, better than low energy.
Most other candidate's enthusiasm has seem forced, but Hillary already is trying to latch on to "can't wait to debate Trump on women's issues", cuz ... she is Woman.
Posted by: Illiniwek at September 10, 2015 01:38 PM (6zZ5y)
680
You tease, Stephen Price Blair. The pic isn't "enlarge-able" with a click---basically just a thumbnail.
Posted by: andycanuck
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Sure it is. Aw, heck, here :
http://tinyurl.com/ngzzc8z
Posted by: andycanuck
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Sure it is. Aw, heck, here :
http://tinyurl.com/ngzzc8z
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at September 10, 2015 01:38 PM (9mTYi)
681
Look, We'll be the first admit that Trump can be a bit, shall we say....Douchey.
But some time its takes a big douche to clean up a big mess!
But some time its takes a big douche to clean up a big mess!
Posted by: Lord And Lady Douchbag at September 10, 2015 01:38 PM (NpXoL)
682
You tease, Stephen Price Blair. The pic isn't "enlarge-able" with a click---basically just a thumbnail.
Right-click it. Or control-click on the Mac. But I'll fix that.
Right-click it. Or control-click on the Mac. But I'll fix that.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 10, 2015 01:38 PM (2lndx)
683
> Posted by: Saltydonnie at September 10, 2015 01:35 PM (i6shs)
> Trump's slogan should be "Trump for President in 2016 - What could I do? F*ck it up?"
Biggest LOL of the day
Totally stealing that. Look for t-shirts on sale soon.
> Trump's slogan should be "Trump for President in 2016 - What could I do? F*ck it up?"
Biggest LOL of the day
Totally stealing that. Look for t-shirts on sale soon.
Posted by: Brewdog at September 10, 2015 01:39 PM (ZgUuK)
684
He's The Mouse That Roared. He never really wanted the job, just the publicity. Now he's afraid he just might win.
Posted by: WTP at September 10, 2015 01:39 PM (bn4pr)
685
In Donald Trump's last appearance on the View he said the following about his daughter Ivanka, "I've said that if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her."
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"Perhaps, you know, not a sure thing. She's got a little cellulite above the hemline, real unsightly."
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"Perhaps, you know, not a sure thing. She's got a little cellulite above the hemline, real unsightly."
Posted by: Trump Trump Trump at September 10, 2015 01:39 PM (VAsIq)
686
>>One county away from here, there's a 17 year old kid who wants to dress up like a girl, and is now refusing to use unisex bathrooms at school. Essentially the whole county appears to be dealing with this 24/7.
This is where are Respectable Middle Class are taking us.
This is where are Respectable Middle Class are taking us.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 10, 2015 01:39 PM (TULs6)
687
I think Ace is completely blowing this out of proportion to what Donald said AND women's response to it. Yes, there will be hyperventilating from SJW types. However, they hyperventilate about putting a smile on a woman's face with Photoshop.
I think this post is a gut instinct on Ace's part and that gut instinct is wrong. Look at the list of people Trump has "offended."
1) Christians - crackers and juice
2) POWs - prefer people that didn't get caught
3) Hispanics - Mexican rapists
4) Blacks - BLM protestors
5) Women - Megan Kelly bleeding
After each time, Trump has risen in the polls.
I think this post is a gut instinct on Ace's part and that gut instinct is wrong. Look at the list of people Trump has "offended."
1) Christians - crackers and juice
2) POWs - prefer people that didn't get caught
3) Hispanics - Mexican rapists
4) Blacks - BLM protestors
5) Women - Megan Kelly bleeding
After each time, Trump has risen in the polls.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 01:39 PM (LXJ1e)
688
Again, for all the outragists.
John McCain joked that the female Attorney General was really a man, that Mr. Reno fucked the First Lady, and that the teenage daughter of our PRESIDENT was so fucking ugly as a result.
And he was the nominee a mere 8 years later.
And Trump joking in private that something bothers him about Fiorina's face is outrageous and oh no no no, is laughable.
John McCain joked that the female Attorney General was really a man, that Mr. Reno fucked the First Lady, and that the teenage daughter of our PRESIDENT was so fucking ugly as a result.
And he was the nominee a mere 8 years later.
And Trump joking in private that something bothers him about Fiorina's face is outrageous and oh no no no, is laughable.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 10, 2015 01:39 PM (W7w/T)
689
"Watching his supporters going through impossible contortions to defend
the man will be hilarious, at least at first, and then maybe a little
pathetic when realization and awareness seep in."
That's assuming it ever will.
There has been precious little evidence of much self-awareness from many of the Trump supporters thus far.
the man will be hilarious, at least at first, and then maybe a little
pathetic when realization and awareness seep in."
That's assuming it ever will.
There has been precious little evidence of much self-awareness from many of the Trump supporters thus far.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 10, 2015 01:39 PM (ljZD2)
690
Seems like the media would be all over that more than the Face comment.
If it's true, I want to know.
I don't like false accusations because they give a false picture with false information . Not necessarily because the target didn't deserve what they get.
WASF anyway. Whatever.
If it's true, I want to know.
I don't like false accusations because they give a false picture with false information . Not necessarily because the target didn't deserve what they get.
WASF anyway. Whatever.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:40 PM (ab6JC)
691
No . Amazingly I don't click on links from lunatics who call others Nazi's for wanting a strong immigration policy.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 12:40 PM (ab6JC)
Please don't confuse me with the facts.
Link to Newsweek, which amazingly agrees Trump is a fascist. If you are not willing to learn, then what am I to say?
Stupid is stupid.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 12:40 PM (ab6JC)
Please don't confuse me with the facts.
Link to Newsweek, which amazingly agrees Trump is a fascist. If you are not willing to learn, then what am I to say?
Stupid is stupid.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 01:40 PM (0FSuD)
692
You know it is possible to have a problem with Trump's remark and still be upset about the lawlessness of the Obama regime and the Iran deal. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 10, 2015 01:40 PM (OSs/l)
693
One county away from here, there's a 17 year old kid who wants to dress up like a girl, and is now refusing to use unisex bathrooms at school. Essentially the whole county appears to be dealing with this 24/7.
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shush...... them stupid "social issues" will get us nowhere.....
/S
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shush...... them stupid "social issues" will get us nowhere.....
/S
Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2015 01:40 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 10, 2015 01:41 PM (2lndx)
695
So it's fair game to make fun of Trump's appearance but not Fiorina's.
Must be some of that equality I hear so much about
Posted by: MAx
Which female candidate has done so? If you are talking about the HQ horde, none of us are on the national stage as a candidate and interviewing with the press.
Must be some of that equality I hear so much about
Posted by: MAx
Which female candidate has done so? If you are talking about the HQ horde, none of us are on the national stage as a candidate and interviewing with the press.
Posted by: Cheri at September 10, 2015 01:41 PM (oiNtH)
696
Trump never had a chance anyway
As the number of fools running go down the eventual winner will show
But he is a useful tool in way of showing how to deal with the media and to also go at positions that the common Joe think are important but show no fear of doing so
As the number of fools running go down the eventual winner will show
But he is a useful tool in way of showing how to deal with the media and to also go at positions that the common Joe think are important but show no fear of doing so
Posted by: Ncj at September 10, 2015 01:41 PM (XRi0q)
697
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 10, 2015 01:39 PM (ljZD2)
Oh look everybody, Hollowpoint's here! Hiya Hollowpoint!
Oh look everybody, Hollowpoint's here! Hiya Hollowpoint!
Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2015 01:41 PM (TOk1P)
698
Thank you, Mike Hammer. At least someone amongst this band of women-mocking ruffians is a gentleman.
Posted by: andycanuck at September 10, 2015 01:41 PM (LYqIl)
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:42 PM (ab6JC)
700
545 I'm impressed that he spent 10 days with a Rolling Stone reporter and this was the worst thing that could be seized on. I think he is getting more disciplined, the Carly comment is almost a month old.
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thx.
Darn, those are fact that probably would have been helpful if Ace had provided them in the OP. hmm.
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thx.
Darn, those are fact that probably would have been helpful if Ace had provided them in the OP. hmm.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 10, 2015 01:42 PM (MbrzC)
701
He's The Mouse That Roared. He never really wanted the job, just the publicity. Now he's afraid he just might win.
Posted by: WTP
Now what do I do?
Posted by: WTP
Now what do I do?
Posted by: Doggie who caught the car at September 10, 2015 01:42 PM (W5DcG)
702
Posted by: troyriser at September 10, 2015 01:34 PM (UWlp+)
Where/when was the remark made?
Serious question as I searched and could find no reference to it.
Please at least cite the pub or site where you read it.
An online link would be super.
If he said this then you're correct but I'd like to see/know the source first.
Where/when was the remark made?
Serious question as I searched and could find no reference to it.
Please at least cite the pub or site where you read it.
An online link would be super.
If he said this then you're correct but I'd like to see/know the source first.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 10, 2015 01:42 PM (x3GpS)
703
#682 And thanks too, Stephen.
Posted by: andycanuck at September 10, 2015 01:43 PM (LYqIl)
704
So, I'm supposed to believe a word of what's printed in the "Rolling Stone?"
Psst, Ace,
Carly isn't good looking. Trump is right.
I sent an email to Jonah Goldberg. I wrote:
"You mock Donald Trump for his line about building a wall on the
Mexican border and making the Mexicans pay for it. But you fail to
understand that 59% of Americans want the illegal aliens to be deported.
You claim that Trump is not a Conservative. I claim that most Republicans holding office are not Conservative."
Yeah, Trump is an asshole. But he is my asshole.
Psst, Ace,
Carly isn't good looking. Trump is right.
I sent an email to Jonah Goldberg. I wrote:
"You mock Donald Trump for his line about building a wall on the
Mexican border and making the Mexicans pay for it. But you fail to
understand that 59% of Americans want the illegal aliens to be deported.
You claim that Trump is not a Conservative. I claim that most Republicans holding office are not Conservative."
Yeah, Trump is an asshole. But he is my asshole.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at September 10, 2015 01:43 PM (1ijHg)
705
677 news flash....TRUMP AIN'T THE PROBLEM
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I'm too old, fat, and out of shape to pick up a gun and go revolutionary. Even if I weren't, I don't know who to shoot that would solve the problem. On the other hand, I won at the ballot box in 2010 and 2014 and that didn't even affect the problem. So the bullet or ballot options are no options because neither works. Nor does education. 80% oppose A-Bombs to I-Ran but we're having it anyway. The Supreme Court routinely violates the letter and the spirit of the constitution.
But the problem is Trump acts like a three year old throwing a temper tantrum.
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Yep on steroids. I keep asking Goldberg and Williamson the same question - who is the conservative candidate. They are unable to tell me. They do tell me Trump is a clown though. We gave them the Supreme Court, House and Senate and all they give us is what Obama wants. Conservative and Polite they all are - so I'm told.
Politely raping your base is just not very conservative. So GOPe, enjoy your well deserved culture of rape compliments of Trump's barbed cock.
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I'm too old, fat, and out of shape to pick up a gun and go revolutionary. Even if I weren't, I don't know who to shoot that would solve the problem. On the other hand, I won at the ballot box in 2010 and 2014 and that didn't even affect the problem. So the bullet or ballot options are no options because neither works. Nor does education. 80% oppose A-Bombs to I-Ran but we're having it anyway. The Supreme Court routinely violates the letter and the spirit of the constitution.
But the problem is Trump acts like a three year old throwing a temper tantrum.
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Yep on steroids. I keep asking Goldberg and Williamson the same question - who is the conservative candidate. They are unable to tell me. They do tell me Trump is a clown though. We gave them the Supreme Court, House and Senate and all they give us is what Obama wants. Conservative and Polite they all are - so I'm told.
Politely raping your base is just not very conservative. So GOPe, enjoy your well deserved culture of rape compliments of Trump's barbed cock.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2015 01:43 PM (oDCMR)
706
Sheesh. You must faint a lot.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 10, 2015 01:30 PM (zc3Db)
Says the man who spends his time online hurling anonymousinsults at people.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 10, 2015 01:30 PM (zc3Db)
Says the man who spends his time online hurling anonymousinsults at people.
Posted by: troyriser at September 10, 2015 01:43 PM (UWlp+)
707
John McCain joked that the female Attorney General was really a man, that Mr. Reno fucked the First Lady, and that the teenage daughter of our PRESIDENT was so fucking ugly as a result.
Posted by: prescient11
And boy oh boy were we gung-ho about John McCain here at the HQ! I remember how nearly all of us pulled together and sang songs in solidarity to get him the nomination, and how we were all super happy when he got it.
Posted by: prescient11
And boy oh boy were we gung-ho about John McCain here at the HQ! I remember how nearly all of us pulled together and sang songs in solidarity to get him the nomination, and how we were all super happy when he got it.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 10, 2015 01:44 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Positive Waves at September 10, 2015 01:44 PM (MQEz6)
709
704
So, I'm supposed to believe a word of what's printed in the "Rolling Stone?"
Yes.
Also NEWSWEEK.
So, I'm supposed to believe a word of what's printed in the "Rolling Stone?"
Yes.
Also NEWSWEEK.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:44 PM (ab6JC)
710
Now, I gotta' tell ya'.. When it comes to faces...
That Bill character's got to get some bravery chops.
I'd sooner sleep next to an Anaconda that hadn't eaten for 6 months, than get in bed with that Hillary thing.
That Bill character's got to get some bravery chops.
I'd sooner sleep next to an Anaconda that hadn't eaten for 6 months, than get in bed with that Hillary thing.
Posted by: franksalterego at September 10, 2015 01:45 PM (Fh+WR)
711
So, I'm supposed to believe a word of what's printed in the "Rolling Stone?"
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WHO WAS DERRINGER???
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WHO WAS DERRINGER???
Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2015 01:45 PM (8XRCm)
712
Let's talk about Ted Cruz for a minute. I like Cruz and think he is brilliant. Sabo handed him the perfect image to run on--Cruz the outsider, the tatted up rebel. We loved that video and played it for every Lefty commenter on Facebook.
Does Cruz embrace the outsider status? I think he was embarrassed about it. It's like he couldn't run back to being establishment fast enough. McCain attacks him, GOPe hates him, yet Cruz still acts like he is one of them.
Like it or not, we have an idea of what looks "presidential". That's why Fred Thompson gained traction. It matters. Hillary looks presidential and is helped by that stupid Madame Secretary show. Jindal, no matter how bright, does not look presidential. It's just part of the way that people decide who to vote for.
Does Cruz embrace the outsider status? I think he was embarrassed about it. It's like he couldn't run back to being establishment fast enough. McCain attacks him, GOPe hates him, yet Cruz still acts like he is one of them.
Like it or not, we have an idea of what looks "presidential". That's why Fred Thompson gained traction. It matters. Hillary looks presidential and is helped by that stupid Madame Secretary show. Jindal, no matter how bright, does not look presidential. It's just part of the way that people decide who to vote for.
Posted by: notsothoreau at September 10, 2015 01:45 PM (5HBd1)
713
So, I'm supposed to believe a word of what's printed in the "Rolling Stone?"
He bought five copies for his mother.
He bought five copies for his mother.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 10, 2015 01:45 PM (W5DcG)
714
I'm sure there are people who are ideologically committed to Trump. I just don't care anymore. I'll vote for him because he expresses my contempt for the uniparty.
Posted by: Strictly from apathy at September 10, 2015 01:45 PM (VQea+)
715
Yeah, Trump is an asshole. But he is my asshole.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo
I'm no one's asshole! I'm my own glorious, yuuuuge asshole! But it's great, real great, that you think I'm yours.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo
I'm no one's asshole! I'm my own glorious, yuuuuge asshole! But it's great, real great, that you think I'm yours.
Posted by: Trump Trump Trump at September 10, 2015 01:46 PM (VAsIq)
716
699
Link to Newsweek, which amazingly agrees Trump is a fascist.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:42 PM (ab6JC)
Google up Trump an Fascist, you'll find a lot of people that believe deporting 11 million people smack of fascism.
Sound like you could be a good brown shirt.
Link to Newsweek, which amazingly agrees Trump is a fascist.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:42 PM (ab6JC)
Google up Trump an Fascist, you'll find a lot of people that believe deporting 11 million people smack of fascism.
Sound like you could be a good brown shirt.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 01:46 PM (0FSuD)
717
Don't laugh, Mortimer. Newsweek is a national treasure of reportage, just like Rolling Stone!
Posted by: andycanuck at September 10, 2015 01:46 PM (LYqIl)
718
1) Christians - crackers and juice
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 01:39 PM (LXJ1e)
How is this an insult to Christians? I haven't heard him insult Christians yet. I have heard him be honestly ignorant about his faith, unlike Obama.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 01:39 PM (LXJ1e)
How is this an insult to Christians? I haven't heard him insult Christians yet. I have heard him be honestly ignorant about his faith, unlike Obama.
Posted by: Draki at September 10, 2015 01:46 PM (0eidE)
719
Put on pajamas, drink hot chocolate, and talk about Donald Trump.
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Don't wear pajamas.
Drinking Irish coffee.
and talking about the twisted media coverage attacking Trump, while wishing someone would attack Obama and his mob with equal intensity.
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Don't wear pajamas.
Drinking Irish coffee.
and talking about the twisted media coverage attacking Trump, while wishing someone would attack Obama and his mob with equal intensity.
Posted by: Randull Hultguunson at September 10, 2015 01:46 PM (BzTuX)
720
"Trump isn't doing, isn't going to do, the damage to the country that Obama is doing, and Jindal chooses to attack Trump and not Obama.
Posted by: Randull Hultguunson at September 10, 2015 01:19 PM (BzTuX) "
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Jindal doesn't have a prayer, decent governor who need to exit the race after October 1, like about 4-5 others.
Posted by: Randull Hultguunson at September 10, 2015 01:19 PM (BzTuX) "
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Jindal doesn't have a prayer, decent governor who need to exit the race after October 1, like about 4-5 others.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 10, 2015 01:46 PM (MbrzC)
721
Ahem...she is a bit of a butter face.
I think it depends on the camera angle, sometimes I say
to myself..."I'd hit it!"
Just sayin.
And no, I'm no George Clooney either.
I think it depends on the camera angle, sometimes I say
to myself..."I'd hit it!"
Just sayin.
And no, I'm no George Clooney either.
Posted by: dananjcon at September 10, 2015 01:46 PM (NpXoL)
722
So, we all agree that Trump doesnt have a "purdy mouth"?
So, we all agree that Trump doesnt have a "purdy mouth"?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 10, 2015 01:47 PM (iQIUe)
723
We got five months until the first freaking primary. Take a breath and get perspective. Stop being a bunch of nancies.
Posted by: Asshole Banana Splits Guy at September 10, 2015 01:32 PM (9bHK/)
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Is it OK if we talk about whether this hurts his/GOP/conservatives' chances to win? Please let us know ASAP.
Posted by: Asshole Banana Splits Guy at September 10, 2015 01:32 PM (9bHK/)
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Is it OK if we talk about whether this hurts his/GOP/conservatives' chances to win? Please let us know ASAP.
Posted by: CJ at September 10, 2015 01:47 PM (9KqcB)
724
Man, I do not like, cannot win election.
Why?
Duh, because I don't like him.
I would be skeptical of this impeccable logic; except it worked perfectly for Obama.
Wait a minute......
You can apologize to reasonable logical adults when you are wrong, without bad outcomes.
You cannot apologize to SJW pissbabies. Period. The fact that this still has to be explained is sad.
Why?
Duh, because I don't like him.
I would be skeptical of this impeccable logic; except it worked perfectly for Obama.
Wait a minute......
You can apologize to reasonable logical adults when you are wrong, without bad outcomes.
You cannot apologize to SJW pissbabies. Period. The fact that this still has to be explained is sad.
Posted by: baldur5 at September 10, 2015 01:47 PM (laBjj)
725
Two camps:
1. Trump
2. Not Trump, aka 'establishment politicians'
Group #2 is worthy of contempt and to be despised, ridiculed and brushed off.
Fiorina is an 'establishment politician' and proved her street cred when she worked for McCain.
1. Trump
2. Not Trump, aka 'establishment politicians'
Group #2 is worthy of contempt and to be despised, ridiculed and brushed off.
Fiorina is an 'establishment politician' and proved her street cred when she worked for McCain.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at September 10, 2015 01:47 PM (DfCQN)
726
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2015 01:43 PM (oDCMR)
You don't think Jindal, Walker, Cruz or Firiona is more conservative than Trump who wants to tax the rich, in favor of single payer health care and said the economy does better under a Democrat administration?
You don't think Jindal, Walker, Cruz or Firiona is more conservative than Trump who wants to tax the rich, in favor of single payer health care and said the economy does better under a Democrat administration?
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 10, 2015 01:47 PM (YccS3)
727
I'm sure there are people who are ideologically
committed to Trump. I just don't care anymore. I'll vote for him because
he expresses my contempt for the uniparty.
Posted by: Strictly from apathy at September 10, 2015 01:45 PM (VQea+)
He's like a metal detector for Gopes. You can wave him around, and then when he lands on a Gope the alarm bells go off. That's how you know you found a Gope.
Elusive critters otherwise, those Gopes. They will lie, and hide in plain sight. This Donald character though, gets them all flustered and bothered. He sure is useful.
committed to Trump. I just don't care anymore. I'll vote for him because
he expresses my contempt for the uniparty.
Posted by: Strictly from apathy at September 10, 2015 01:45 PM (VQea+)
He's like a metal detector for Gopes. You can wave him around, and then when he lands on a Gope the alarm bells go off. That's how you know you found a Gope.
Elusive critters otherwise, those Gopes. They will lie, and hide in plain sight. This Donald character though, gets them all flustered and bothered. He sure is useful.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2015 01:48 PM (TOk1P)
728
For the first time, I looked at all the candidates faces and decided which could be Presidential enough for voters to pull the lever in the general election over someone like Biden:
Bush, Perry, Trump, and Paul...maybe that Kasich guy. Those are the ones that LOOK a bit rugged and distinguished like they could be a President during the Indian Wars.
It's basically the same thing now, only it's the Muslim wars.
So for that small percentage where it comes down to "that one could be president and protect our country" I'm guessing on the GOP side it will be those.
Bush, Perry, Trump, and Paul...maybe that Kasich guy. Those are the ones that LOOK a bit rugged and distinguished like they could be a President during the Indian Wars.
It's basically the same thing now, only it's the Muslim wars.
So for that small percentage where it comes down to "that one could be president and protect our country" I'm guessing on the GOP side it will be those.
Posted by: doug at September 10, 2015 01:49 PM (+6OYi)
729
Okay, if that's the argument; that is, if Trump is just being Who He Is, all authentic and shit, then what if Who He Isis a weird, perverted rat bastard who likes to fantasize about banging his own daugther? Are you down withthat? You think a man like that should be President?
If we started banning Morons because of being weird, perverted rat bastards, there'd be nobody left to comment.
If we started banning Morons because of being weird, perverted rat bastards, there'd be nobody left to comment.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 10, 2015 01:49 PM (zF6Iw)
730
Google up Trump an Fascist
What happens when you Google "Bush" and "Cheney" and "Fascist"?
wow.
Sound like you could be a good brown shirt.
Posted by: Nip Sip
And there you have it folks. The anti-Trump people in a nice tidy package.
Google up Trump an Fascist
What happens when you Google "Bush" and "Cheney" and "Fascist"?
wow.
Sound like you could be a good brown shirt.
Posted by: Nip Sip
And there you have it folks. The anti-Trump people in a nice tidy package.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:49 PM (ab6JC)
731
Google up Trump an Fascist, you'll find a lot of people that believe deporting 11 million people smack of fascism.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 01:46 PM (0FSuD)
The 11 million number the left admitted to was a joke 15 years ago when they first agreed to it.
There is nothing fascist about national sovereignty. The 30 million illegals have no business being here and have no right nor argument to not be kicked out. They also should never be allowed to return as the punishment for their spitting on our nation.
People who think that illegal aliens have any sorts of rights to stay here are not fascists ... they're traitors who love to give aid and comfort to an invasion, which is what a flood of tens of millions is.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 01:46 PM (0FSuD)
The 11 million number the left admitted to was a joke 15 years ago when they first agreed to it.
There is nothing fascist about national sovereignty. The 30 million illegals have no business being here and have no right nor argument to not be kicked out. They also should never be allowed to return as the punishment for their spitting on our nation.
People who think that illegal aliens have any sorts of rights to stay here are not fascists ... they're traitors who love to give aid and comfort to an invasion, which is what a flood of tens of millions is.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 10, 2015 01:49 PM (zc3Db)
732
nood!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 10, 2015 01:50 PM (iQIUe)
733
As a reluctant Trump supporter, I tend to agree with Ace on this. What's going to potentially shoot him in the foot is "Trump Fatigue". Its not one thing he says, it will, imho, be a culmination of things he says. He's going after the more popular/respected persons in the race (Fiorina and Carson) and its probably a mistake. I recognize they both took a shot at him first and he thinks part of his appeal is his unrelenting refusal to not respond to any perceived attacks but at some point, all of the friendly fire may catch up with him. He really should get back to the issues, especially immigration, which is what got him out in front of the pack, not his bluster.
The big problem, really, is that nobody is able to steal his thunder because nobody has his money and are going to say/do what the big money donors tell them to do. Until someone steps up, its going to be all Trump.
The big problem, really, is that nobody is able to steal his thunder because nobody has his money and are going to say/do what the big money donors tell them to do. Until someone steps up, its going to be all Trump.
Posted by: Baboo the Occelot at September 10, 2015 01:50 PM (vDEpI)
734
And I thought we weren't allowed to insult each other over this issue, big nose?
Posted by: andycanuck at September 10, 2015 01:50 PM (LYqIl)
735
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:42 PM (ab6JC)
The point is that I am not the only person in the free world that thinks Trump is a Fascist, so stop with the I am calling him a Nazi.
He only wants to deport twice as many people as Hitler killed. So please explain how he will do this.
You can do it, take some time. Rail cars will be involved.
The point is that I am not the only person in the free world that thinks Trump is a Fascist, so stop with the I am calling him a Nazi.
He only wants to deport twice as many people as Hitler killed. So please explain how he will do this.
You can do it, take some time. Rail cars will be involved.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 01:51 PM (0FSuD)
736
Two camps:
1. Trump
2. Not Trump, aka 'establishment politicians'
Group #2 is worthy of contempt and to be despised, ridiculed and brushed off.
Fiorina is an 'establishment politician' and proved her street cred when she worked for McCain.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at September 10, 2015 01:47 PM (DfCQN)
Naw, that's too simplistic. I'm in none of those two groups. Also there are two types of people in the world.
1. Those who love Journey
2. Liars
1. Trump
2. Not Trump, aka 'establishment politicians'
Group #2 is worthy of contempt and to be despised, ridiculed and brushed off.
Fiorina is an 'establishment politician' and proved her street cred when she worked for McCain.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at September 10, 2015 01:47 PM (DfCQN)
Naw, that's too simplistic. I'm in none of those two groups. Also there are two types of people in the world.
1. Those who love Journey
2. Liars
Posted by: Draki at September 10, 2015 01:51 PM (0eidE)
737
731 Google up Trump an Fascist, you'll find a lot of people that believe deporting 11 million people smack of fascism.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 01:46 PM (0FSuD)
Trump himself said it was malicious only a few years ago.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 01:46 PM (0FSuD)
Trump himself said it was malicious only a few years ago.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 10, 2015 01:51 PM (YccS3)
738
Turd Ferguson:
I wasn't here for McCain. But I'm sure all those attacking Trump as out of control mouthie were full throated in support of that nutjob. I voted for him too.
Again, put aside his truly awful attack on a young girl, Carly literally went after her political opponent for her hair.
The outrage machine is in full tilt. Trump knows this and basically has had $500MM in attack ads run for him without spending a dime. IT'S HILARIOUS.
I wasn't here for McCain. But I'm sure all those attacking Trump as out of control mouthie were full throated in support of that nutjob. I voted for him too.
Again, put aside his truly awful attack on a young girl, Carly literally went after her political opponent for her hair.
The outrage machine is in full tilt. Trump knows this and basically has had $500MM in attack ads run for him without spending a dime. IT'S HILARIOUS.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 10, 2015 01:52 PM (W7w/T)
739
>>>646 Trump's remark about Carly deserves another 1000 comments, that's how important it was.
Like the post no one read said...
>>> Trump seems determined to remind us what we really are, which is mean, crude, narcissistic, and frivolous.
That's part of his appeal to me. The system doesn't deserve it's thin veneer of fake respectability. Drag it kicking and screaming into the sunlight and maybe it gets disinfected. If people are forced to be reminded maybe they will change.
I'm of that mind on a lot of unrelated issues. I am Jacksonian in war policy because I think if you try to sanitize war, you're just lying. You're making war more comfortable and acceptable even though it's still just as evil. It should be nakedly and obviously evil, so people will be less comfortable cheering for it.
If our political class gets it's thin veneer of respectability, it's like anesthesia. It makes everyone comfortable with how horrible the system is.
Like the post no one read said...
>>> Trump seems determined to remind us what we really are, which is mean, crude, narcissistic, and frivolous.
That's part of his appeal to me. The system doesn't deserve it's thin veneer of fake respectability. Drag it kicking and screaming into the sunlight and maybe it gets disinfected. If people are forced to be reminded maybe they will change.
I'm of that mind on a lot of unrelated issues. I am Jacksonian in war policy because I think if you try to sanitize war, you're just lying. You're making war more comfortable and acceptable even though it's still just as evil. It should be nakedly and obviously evil, so people will be less comfortable cheering for it.
If our political class gets it's thin veneer of respectability, it's like anesthesia. It makes everyone comfortable with how horrible the system is.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 10, 2015 01:52 PM (TULs6)
740
I hate to repeat myself but I will. If you are old enough do you remember Cassius Clay? No one bragged like he did. He was a sore winner who said he was the greatest and people were horribly turned off by him. At that time sport champions simply didn't act like vulgar assholes but he sure did and he became a "brand". Times change. People are becoming a mob living in a virtual media universe and they act and talk like a mob. As everyone who has spent ten seconds here at AoSHQ has noticed, 50+ years of liberal institutional dumbing down of the population is working and those 30+ million illegal aliens? most of them are poor, farm people that have trouble reading and writing in their native tongue.
We are closer than ever to Idiocracy.
Ow! My Balls!
We are closer than ever to Idiocracy.
Ow! My Balls!
Posted by: Daybrother at September 10, 2015 01:52 PM (zoRzR)
741
So Brown Shirts =/= Nazis?
Maybe use "Black Shirts" instead for your half-assed analogy. Paolo the Wife the Hunter will be pleased at that historical usage.
Maybe use "Black Shirts" instead for your half-assed analogy. Paolo the Wife the Hunter will be pleased at that historical usage.
Posted by: andycanuck at September 10, 2015 01:53 PM (LYqIl)
742
PREDICTION:
Aside from Carson, Trump is done with his supposed "gaffes". He's accomplished what he set out to do.
Aside from Carson, Trump is done with his supposed "gaffes". He's accomplished what he set out to do.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 10, 2015 01:53 PM (W7w/T)
743
Does Ted Cruz have a crooked nose? I've been meaning to ask.
Posted by: CJ at September 10, 2015 01:53 PM (9KqcB)
744
When your as beaten down and miserable a voting block as conservatives are
a vote for a Haggis pudding and Tripe soup sounds appetizing.
a vote for a Haggis pudding and Tripe soup sounds appetizing.
Posted by: dananjcon at September 10, 2015 01:53 PM (NpXoL)
745
Ken @ 617
Oh well my bad! Thanks for setting me straight and educating me. I was lost but now am found.
FYI - I don't give a shit about what you think either asshole. Making stupid comments about a person's looks while running for President isn't addressing issues - it is crass and sophomoric.
Let me guess, you are one of the pasty, fat guys on the beach making crude comments about each woman who walks by that they are not hot enough for you?
Oh well my bad! Thanks for setting me straight and educating me. I was lost but now am found.
FYI - I don't give a shit about what you think either asshole. Making stupid comments about a person's looks while running for President isn't addressing issues - it is crass and sophomoric.
Let me guess, you are one of the pasty, fat guys on the beach making crude comments about each woman who walks by that they are not hot enough for you?
Posted by: Cheri at September 10, 2015 01:54 PM (oiNtH)
746
stop with the I am calling him a Nazi.
He only wants to deport twice as many people as Hitler killed. So please explain how he will do this.
You can do it, take some time. Rail cars will be involved.
Are you familiar with the concept of "irony"?
He only wants to deport twice as many people as Hitler killed. So please explain how he will do this.
You can do it, take some time. Rail cars will be involved.
Are you familiar with the concept of "irony"?
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:54 PM (ab6JC)
747
I thought it'd been well established Trump's support is a proxy "Fuck You" to the machine.
"Fuck you, Machine," is still my position. I don't care if he dyes his comb-over purple, tattoos "Murderer" on his forehead, and walks around with his dick hanging out.
"Fuck you, Machine," is still my position. I don't care if he dyes his comb-over purple, tattoos "Murderer" on his forehead, and walks around with his dick hanging out.
Posted by: John Conner at September 10, 2015 01:54 PM (bUmSq)
748
This won't impact him negatively at all.
You know what will?
When Trump starts walking back his promises to curtail immigration he will implode. The other day when he suggested the U.S. take Syrian refugees he felt immediate blow back and claimed he was opposed to it. That's the only thing that will sink him, and to a lesser extent backing off renegotiating trade agreements.
Trump can call Carly a "skank" and Carson a "house servant" and it will just draw a yawn. Let him moderate his rhetoric on illegal immigration and trade and he drops like a stone. People don't see it or want to see it, but those are the issues and nothing else matters. Does Trump himself grasp it? I don't know, but if he drops the ball on these issues he disappears.
You know what will?
When Trump starts walking back his promises to curtail immigration he will implode. The other day when he suggested the U.S. take Syrian refugees he felt immediate blow back and claimed he was opposed to it. That's the only thing that will sink him, and to a lesser extent backing off renegotiating trade agreements.
Trump can call Carly a "skank" and Carson a "house servant" and it will just draw a yawn. Let him moderate his rhetoric on illegal immigration and trade and he drops like a stone. People don't see it or want to see it, but those are the issues and nothing else matters. Does Trump himself grasp it? I don't know, but if he drops the ball on these issues he disappears.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at September 10, 2015 01:55 PM (pq97T)
749
726 Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2015 01:43 PM (oDCMR)
You don't think Jindal, Walker, Cruz or Firiona is more conservative than Trump who wants to tax the rich, in favor of single payer health care and said the economy does better under a Democrat administration?
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Maybe. I do know, at this point, that none of them know how to successfully campaign much less on what they should be campaigning for. I don't feel any fire from any of them.
For me its simple - show me a candidate that puts it all on the line for restoring Law and Order and killing Immigration Anarchy and they have my support. I know GOPe and DEMe want the immigration issue to disappear. The idea of controlling immigration scares both of them for similar reasons - Party Voter Realignment.
You don't think Jindal, Walker, Cruz or Firiona is more conservative than Trump who wants to tax the rich, in favor of single payer health care and said the economy does better under a Democrat administration?
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Maybe. I do know, at this point, that none of them know how to successfully campaign much less on what they should be campaigning for. I don't feel any fire from any of them.
For me its simple - show me a candidate that puts it all on the line for restoring Law and Order and killing Immigration Anarchy and they have my support. I know GOPe and DEMe want the immigration issue to disappear. The idea of controlling immigration scares both of them for similar reasons - Party Voter Realignment.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2015 01:55 PM (oDCMR)
750
So Brown Shirts =/= Nazis?
Maybe use "Black Shirts" instead for your half-assed analogy. Paolo the Wife the Hunter will be pleased at that historical usage.
Posted by: andycanuck at September 10, 2015 01:53 PM (LYqIl)
Who's the moron saying brown shirts =/= Nazis?
Maybe use "Black Shirts" instead for your half-assed analogy. Paolo the Wife the Hunter will be pleased at that historical usage.
Posted by: andycanuck at September 10, 2015 01:53 PM (LYqIl)
Who's the moron saying brown shirts =/= Nazis?
Posted by: Draki at September 10, 2015 01:56 PM (0eidE)
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:56 PM (ab6JC)
752
I was less offended by the comments about Fiorina than I was about what he said about his daughter Ivanka (something along the lines of "too bad she's my daughter, 'cuz I'd sure hit that" or something). That was just gross.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 10, 2015 01:57 PM (a31sM)
753
>>The outrage machine is in full tilt. Trump knows this and basically has had $500MM in attack ads run for him without spending a dime. IT'S HILARIOUS.
That part is hilarious. He's a multi-gajillionaire, you can tell because he's only spent $7.83 so far. You don't get rich being loose-fisted with your money.
Which tells you another reason why the political-media-consulting industries must hate the existential fuck out of him. I doubt Donald will pay them millions of dollars to lose campaigns for him or fall for all their crap about how "you can't win" unless you pay someone's brother in law 50 million just to get the consultants on board, or subsidize some crap outfit like MSNBC with ad revenue.
He's gonna endanger their livelihood.
That part is hilarious. He's a multi-gajillionaire, you can tell because he's only spent $7.83 so far. You don't get rich being loose-fisted with your money.
Which tells you another reason why the political-media-consulting industries must hate the existential fuck out of him. I doubt Donald will pay them millions of dollars to lose campaigns for him or fall for all their crap about how "you can't win" unless you pay someone's brother in law 50 million just to get the consultants on board, or subsidize some crap outfit like MSNBC with ad revenue.
He's gonna endanger their livelihood.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 10, 2015 01:57 PM (TULs6)
754
Google up Trump an Fascist, you'll find a lot of people that believe deporting 11 million people smack of fascism.
Sound like you could be a good brown shirt.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 01:46 PM (0FSuD)
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You know what's even more fascist? IMPORTING 11 million people to replace the one's you got.
Sound like you could be a good brown shirt.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 01:46 PM (0FSuD)
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You know what's even more fascist? IMPORTING 11 million people to replace the one's you got.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 01:57 PM (LXJ1e)
755
So, I'm supposed to believe a word of what's printed in the "Rolling Stone?"
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WHO WAS DERRINGER???
Posted by: fixerupper
Fake but accurate rape.
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WHO WAS DERRINGER???
Posted by: fixerupper
Fake but accurate rape.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2015 01:58 PM (Yllyl)
756
Who's the moron saying brown shirts =/= Nazis?
Posted by: Draki
Nip Sip
He has apparently been given free reign at AOSHQ to throw the Nazi card on every commenter that doesn't agree that deporting aliens = Holocaust.
While everyone else has to avoid insults at all costs.
Posted by: Draki
Nip Sip
He has apparently been given free reign at AOSHQ to throw the Nazi card on every commenter that doesn't agree that deporting aliens = Holocaust.
While everyone else has to avoid insults at all costs.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:59 PM (ab6JC)
757
Yes. Also NEWSWEEK.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:44 PM (ab6JC)
Trump corroborated the quotes: http://tinyurl.com/q6h82f7
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:44 PM (ab6JC)
Trump corroborated the quotes: http://tinyurl.com/q6h82f7
Posted by: troyriser at September 10, 2015 01:59 PM (UWlp+)
758
718 1) Christians - crackers and juice
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 01:39 PM (LXJ1e)
How is this an insult to Christians? I haven't heard him insult Christians yet. I have heard him be honestly ignorant about his faith, unlike Obama.
Posted by: Draki at September 10, 2015 01:46 PM (0eidE)
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It isn't really, that's why I put "offended" in quotes. This Trump comment about Carly's face is about as offensive to women as the other "offensive" remarks for other groups.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 01:39 PM (LXJ1e)
How is this an insult to Christians? I haven't heard him insult Christians yet. I have heard him be honestly ignorant about his faith, unlike Obama.
Posted by: Draki at September 10, 2015 01:46 PM (0eidE)
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It isn't really, that's why I put "offended" in quotes. This Trump comment about Carly's face is about as offensive to women as the other "offensive" remarks for other groups.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 10, 2015 01:59 PM (LXJ1e)
759
Respectability?
The dying Middle Class wants a future where their children can earn a 'respectable' living
To date, The Donald is the Only candidate willing to do what is necessary to end H-B visa abuse and the destruction of our suburban neighborhoods where we sought a peaceful place to live out our American dreams
DC and its lobbyists will not leave us alone to live our lives
Donald promises to address the insane unlimited immigration policies that EVERY other candidate supports
Show me any other option that allows the Middle Class to survive and even dare I say thrive
The dying Middle Class wants a future where their children can earn a 'respectable' living
To date, The Donald is the Only candidate willing to do what is necessary to end H-B visa abuse and the destruction of our suburban neighborhoods where we sought a peaceful place to live out our American dreams
DC and its lobbyists will not leave us alone to live our lives
Donald promises to address the insane unlimited immigration policies that EVERY other candidate supports
Show me any other option that allows the Middle Class to survive and even dare I say thrive
Posted by: ginaswo at September 10, 2015 01:59 PM (qxNrP)
760
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2015 01:55 PM (oDCMR)
Does it matter to you that Trump said strict deportation policy was malicious just a short 3 years ago?
Does it matter to you that Trump said strict deportation policy was malicious just a short 3 years ago?
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 10, 2015 02:00 PM (YccS3)
761
Nip Sip, Draki:
#716 Google up Trump an Fascist, you'll find a lot of people that believe deporting 11 million people smack of fascism.
Sound like you could be a good brown shirt.
#735 The point is that I am not the only person in the free world that thinks Trump is a Fascist, so stop with the I am calling him a Nazi.
He only wants to deport twice as many people as Hitler killed. So please explain how he will do this.
You can do it, take some time. Rail cars will be involved.
#716 Google up Trump an Fascist, you'll find a lot of people that believe deporting 11 million people smack of fascism.
Sound like you could be a good brown shirt.
#735 The point is that I am not the only person in the free world that thinks Trump is a Fascist, so stop with the I am calling him a Nazi.
He only wants to deport twice as many people as Hitler killed. So please explain how he will do this.
You can do it, take some time. Rail cars will be involved.
Posted by: andycanuck at September 10, 2015 02:00 PM (LYqIl)
762
Google up Trump an Fascist, you'll find a lot of people that believe deporting 11 million people smack of fascism.
Sorry, but deporting 11 million people that don't belong here in the first place is not fascism.
Sounds pretty muck like law and order conservatism.
Sorry, but deporting 11 million people that don't belong here in the first place is not fascism.
Sounds pretty muck like law and order conservatism.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2015 02:00 PM (Yllyl)
763
Nip Sip
He has apparently been given free reign at AOSHQ to throw the Nazi card on every commenter that doesn't agree that deporting aliens = Holocaust.
While everyone else has to avoid insults at all costs.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:59 PM (ab6JC)
Eh, I'm seeing the quote up above showing Nip Sip saying he's acting like a brown shirt or something. Was about to load my crossbow.
Nip Sip
He has apparently been given free reign at AOSHQ to throw the Nazi card on every commenter that doesn't agree that deporting aliens = Holocaust.
While everyone else has to avoid insults at all costs.
Posted by: Mortimer at September 10, 2015 01:59 PM (ab6JC)
Eh, I'm seeing the quote up above showing Nip Sip saying he's acting like a brown shirt or something. Was about to load my crossbow.
Posted by: Draki at September 10, 2015 02:00 PM (0eidE)
764
Jindahl wanted to make it illegal to use cash at garage sales - that's not conservative, that is Marxist.
Fiorina and McCain are the same.
Walker: He's been in charge how long? And that state is right near the top in tax burden for it's citizens - and it's not even a coastal state.
Cruz: Doesn't matter he's not a "Natural Born Citizen"
No, none of those are conservative enough (except Cruz but he doesn't count) to counter the benefit of having Trump blow up the establishment.
Fiorina and McCain are the same.
Walker: He's been in charge how long? And that state is right near the top in tax burden for it's citizens - and it's not even a coastal state.
Cruz: Doesn't matter he's not a "Natural Born Citizen"
No, none of those are conservative enough (except Cruz but he doesn't count) to counter the benefit of having Trump blow up the establishment.
Posted by: doug at September 10, 2015 02:01 PM (+6OYi)
765
This thread is funny/ironic, because, based on the new (and improved) banning rules, Trump(tm) wouldn't last a day here
Posted by: ed gibbon at September 10, 2015 02:01 PM (LQhMs)
766
By the way, if Carson was an "okay" Dr. then what would that make Howard Dean
Posted by: ed gibbon at September 10, 2015 02:03 PM (ALcbf)
767
It's funny because it's true, Ed.
Posted by: andycanuck at September 10, 2015 02:03 PM (LYqIl)
768
So the candidate who is drawing the most Hispanic and black voters is labeled a fascist.
Got it.
Got it.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 10, 2015 02:03 PM (W7w/T)
769
>>>You don't think Jindal, Walker, Cruz or Firiona is more conservative than Trump who wants to tax the rich, in favor of single payer health care and said the economy does better under a Democrat administration?
They are ALL more conservative in 2 ways - ideological, and effective.
They are all ideologically more conservative than him so they believe many of the things you or I believe (although I don't call myself conservative).
They are conservative in their effect too, way more than him. Which means their opinions don't matter because they will get NONE of what they want. They will play by the rules and the rules are rigged, so even when they win they will get nothing and try to put a happy face on it.
They are ALL more conservative in 2 ways - ideological, and effective.
They are all ideologically more conservative than him so they believe many of the things you or I believe (although I don't call myself conservative).
They are conservative in their effect too, way more than him. Which means their opinions don't matter because they will get NONE of what they want. They will play by the rules and the rules are rigged, so even when they win they will get nothing and try to put a happy face on it.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 10, 2015 02:05 PM (TULs6)
770
If 2016 is going to be a "positive outlook" election it will be in the sense of 2008 - actually fueled by anger at incumbents with a veneer of "we can do better, we're in charge, not them, hope change etc..."
I want to see the playbook torched the mold shattered from past candidacies. Maybe Trump points the way to resurgent populism on both the right and left - an appeal to the middle class not the rich or poor and core Anglo cultural values not multi-culti. So far Cruz seems like the only guy who might be listening, and his own party will stifle that.
Third party still needed if the best the GOP can come up with besides Cruz is any the "Trump ballot" folks above. Supporters of any of those candidates are snarking past the graveyard and patting themselves on the back for their "smart" choice - who won't have a hope in hell of winning or more importantly long-term, of inspiring stay-home voters, never-voters, or anyone else to believe in the rotten politics as usual that each one of those candidates above stand for (OK Carson's an outsider but his policies are tepid moderate-compassionate Republican through and through).
I want to see the playbook torched the mold shattered from past candidacies. Maybe Trump points the way to resurgent populism on both the right and left - an appeal to the middle class not the rich or poor and core Anglo cultural values not multi-culti. So far Cruz seems like the only guy who might be listening, and his own party will stifle that.
Third party still needed if the best the GOP can come up with besides Cruz is any the "Trump ballot" folks above. Supporters of any of those candidates are snarking past the graveyard and patting themselves on the back for their "smart" choice - who won't have a hope in hell of winning or more importantly long-term, of inspiring stay-home voters, never-voters, or anyone else to believe in the rotten politics as usual that each one of those candidates above stand for (OK Carson's an outsider but his policies are tepid moderate-compassionate Republican through and through).
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at September 10, 2015 02:05 PM (jYAz0)
771
We have to come up with animal correlative for Trump. What about one of those animals that is immune to the bite of venomous snakes?
It could be that Trump is simply impervious to the usual line of "outrage" attack and the media's stock-in-trade character assassination machine. That is, his grossness, vulgarity, candor, and logorrhea are accepted as parts of the package (unlike anal politicians always trying to "control their message" who make one slip-up and are goners) and no one really cares that much (and cares a little less each day).
It could be that Trump is simply impervious to the usual line of "outrage" attack and the media's stock-in-trade character assassination machine. That is, his grossness, vulgarity, candor, and logorrhea are accepted as parts of the package (unlike anal politicians always trying to "control their message" who make one slip-up and are goners) and no one really cares that much (and cares a little less each day).
Posted by: rrpjr at September 10, 2015 02:05 PM (s/yC1)
772
>>768 So the candidate who is drawing the most Hispanic and black voters is labeled a fascist.
If you ever expected anything else you don't know how our system works.
If you ever expected anything else you don't know how our system works.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 10, 2015 02:05 PM (TULs6)
773
How would you politely describe Hillary's face?
Every man's mother-in-law.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 10, 2015 01:17 PM (rwI+c)
Every man's ex-wife's lawyer.
Every man's mother-in-law.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 10, 2015 01:17 PM (rwI+c)
Every man's ex-wife's lawyer.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 10, 2015 02:05 PM (zF6Iw)
774
I figure Trump will get another 2% gain out of this.
He's setting up the media. He can say whatever he wants about Carly -- Carly doesn't care, and more importantly, the media won't report it because it makes Carly look good and reminds everyone that Hillary isn't the only "It's Time for a Woman" candidate.
So, it happens, no one but internet gadflies even notices, and it goes into the history bin.
THEN, when Trump has the primary sewn up, and he says something about Hillary, he can say, "What is your problem NOW? I said things like that about Carly, and you didn't care. Now that it's about a Democrat you are falling all over yourselves? You're loser goons who are gooning around to try to fix the election."
Bonus points if Carly ends up as his VP choice, which is likely because he would rather work with another executive than a politician. Then CARLY gets to be the one out making these attacks. "Where were you people when Trump said this about me -- which I, in fact, did not take personally as you can see by my sharing the ticket with him."
He's setting up the media. He can say whatever he wants about Carly -- Carly doesn't care, and more importantly, the media won't report it because it makes Carly look good and reminds everyone that Hillary isn't the only "It's Time for a Woman" candidate.
So, it happens, no one but internet gadflies even notices, and it goes into the history bin.
THEN, when Trump has the primary sewn up, and he says something about Hillary, he can say, "What is your problem NOW? I said things like that about Carly, and you didn't care. Now that it's about a Democrat you are falling all over yourselves? You're loser goons who are gooning around to try to fix the election."
Bonus points if Carly ends up as his VP choice, which is likely because he would rather work with another executive than a politician. Then CARLY gets to be the one out making these attacks. "Where were you people when Trump said this about me -- which I, in fact, did not take personally as you can see by my sharing the ticket with him."
Posted by: Phelps at September 10, 2015 02:07 PM (EAxV6)
775
"He only wants to deport twice as many people as Hitler killed. So please explain how he will do this.
You can do it, take some time. Rail cars will be involved.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 01:51 PM (0FSuD)"
Rail cars are 1940s technology. It is not hard. You take the folks to be deported to the airport. With modern computer technology you can find out the airplanes flying to foreign countries that have empty seats. You escort the foreigners onto the airplanes and handcuff them to their seats. Give the key to the pilot so that he can unlock the foreigners when they are in a foreign country.
If there are not enough empty seats on airplanes going to foreign countries, charter airplanes to fly to Djbouti. When the airplane lands, march the foreigners at gunpoint to the border with Somalia.
See. It's easier and cheaper than you thought and no train cars involved.
You can do it, take some time. Rail cars will be involved.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 01:51 PM (0FSuD)"
Rail cars are 1940s technology. It is not hard. You take the folks to be deported to the airport. With modern computer technology you can find out the airplanes flying to foreign countries that have empty seats. You escort the foreigners onto the airplanes and handcuff them to their seats. Give the key to the pilot so that he can unlock the foreigners when they are in a foreign country.
If there are not enough empty seats on airplanes going to foreign countries, charter airplanes to fly to Djbouti. When the airplane lands, march the foreigners at gunpoint to the border with Somalia.
See. It's easier and cheaper than you thought and no train cars involved.
Posted by: The Donald at September 10, 2015 02:07 PM (QHgTq)
776
Got it.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 10, 2015 02:03 PM (W7w/T)
For all of the blood, misery, and death associated with it, fascism was/is a reasonably coherent ideology, so I don't think an empty egomaniac who makes shit up as he goes along could rightfully be called a fascist since he sure as hell isn't coherent.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 10, 2015 02:03 PM (W7w/T)
For all of the blood, misery, and death associated with it, fascism was/is a reasonably coherent ideology, so I don't think an empty egomaniac who makes shit up as he goes along could rightfully be called a fascist since he sure as hell isn't coherent.
Posted by: troyriser at September 10, 2015 02:08 PM (UWlp+)
777
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to find out in three years that Trump actually ran it by Carly and she OKed it. The worst that happens for her is that it blows up on Trump, and she gets a ton of free publicity and sympathy. If it works like I said, then she gets Loyalty Points towards being his running mate or a cabinet post.
Posted by: Phelps at September 10, 2015 02:09 PM (EAxV6)
778
760 Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2015 01:55 PM (oDCMR)
Does it matter to you that Trump said strict deportation policy was malicious just a short 3 years ago?
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Nope. I see three things in my favor (1) he isn't beholden to anyone but the voters for winning the WH, (2) will not be overly concerned with Party issues and prerogatives, and (3) knows his success is dependent on pleasing no one but those that voted for him. Please note - he is old, knows he is thought of as crass and selfish, and most likely would like to be remembered fondly by his people as a standup guy. He is the best chance since Reagan for Americans to control their country's demographic and cultural existence.
Contrast Bill and Hillary running on strict immigration reform back in the 90s. They said they were going to close down illegal immigration. But they didn't cuz of Party needs. See my point?
Does it matter to you that Trump said strict deportation policy was malicious just a short 3 years ago?
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Nope. I see three things in my favor (1) he isn't beholden to anyone but the voters for winning the WH, (2) will not be overly concerned with Party issues and prerogatives, and (3) knows his success is dependent on pleasing no one but those that voted for him. Please note - he is old, knows he is thought of as crass and selfish, and most likely would like to be remembered fondly by his people as a standup guy. He is the best chance since Reagan for Americans to control their country's demographic and cultural existence.
Contrast Bill and Hillary running on strict immigration reform back in the 90s. They said they were going to close down illegal immigration. But they didn't cuz of Party needs. See my point?
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2015 02:09 PM (oDCMR)
779
Honey Trump?
Posted by: andycanuck at September 10, 2015 02:11 PM (LYqIl)
780
>>>No one - I mean NO ONE was pushing back, until Donald Trump.
trump, the candidate with balls enough to push back against Carly Fiorino's ugly face
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:46 PM (dciA+)
Ace, look at you, a respected top tier blogger. Responding with "balls enough to push back against Carly Fiorino's [sic] ugly face." Much more crude than Trump's actual words.
We're electing a President. He should be one of us, no? A fellow citizen to serve a limited term, at a salary considerably less than Carly's. He has you outclassed, and I'd vote for you anyway.
trump, the candidate with balls enough to push back against Carly Fiorino's ugly face
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:46 PM (dciA+)
Ace, look at you, a respected top tier blogger. Responding with "balls enough to push back against Carly Fiorino's [sic] ugly face." Much more crude than Trump's actual words.
We're electing a President. He should be one of us, no? A fellow citizen to serve a limited term, at a salary considerably less than Carly's. He has you outclassed, and I'd vote for you anyway.
Posted by: Kevin C. at September 10, 2015 02:13 PM (OT5Lm)
781
Trump gets right to the point of why America yearns for a third party, even though Americans can't articulate it.
Nationalism.
We are, at our core, an extremely Nationalistic country. Even with control of the media and education, the New World Order folks in both parties can't stamp the inherent Nationalistic tendencies out of us. They never will. They know it.
Trump has tapped that. By design or not, I do not know.
Nationalism.
We are, at our core, an extremely Nationalistic country. Even with control of the media and education, the New World Order folks in both parties can't stamp the inherent Nationalistic tendencies out of us. They never will. They know it.
Trump has tapped that. By design or not, I do not know.
Posted by: Irony at September 10, 2015 02:15 PM (93CuU)
782
205 I am a conservative. I served my country. I love my country; I owe it a lot. I have defended conservatives at every turn, even on issues that I'm neutral about. I vote for conservatives. I give money to conservatives.
You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common. You are everything the left has claimed you are.
Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (nFICN)
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Frankly, fuck you.
Lot of fucking good all your support and donations to the proper GOP candidates has done for us.
You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common. You are everything the left has claimed you are.
Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (nFICN)
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Frankly, fuck you.
Lot of fucking good all your support and donations to the proper GOP candidates has done for us.
Posted by: deadrody at September 10, 2015 02:17 PM (kj7T1)
783
"He only wants to deport twice as many people as Hitler killed. So please explain how he will do this.
You can do it, take some time. Rail cars will be involved.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 01:51 PM (0FSuD)"
The Civil Reserve Airfleet. It's how we get our troops into theater now. Civilian airlines contract to charter flights to the military at set rates. It lets the airlines use idle planes and actually funds some airlines because it is a set profit level.
There's over 500 aircraft in the PAX service from 20+ carriers. They were moving 83K troops a month during Iraqi Freedom, and that wasn't even a full mobilization. At the rate they were working then, they could move a million a year.
So in one term, you "only" deport 4 million.
I'll take that.
You can do it, take some time. Rail cars will be involved.
Posted by: Nip Sip at September 10, 2015 01:51 PM (0FSuD)"
The Civil Reserve Airfleet. It's how we get our troops into theater now. Civilian airlines contract to charter flights to the military at set rates. It lets the airlines use idle planes and actually funds some airlines because it is a set profit level.
There's over 500 aircraft in the PAX service from 20+ carriers. They were moving 83K troops a month during Iraqi Freedom, and that wasn't even a full mobilization. At the rate they were working then, they could move a million a year.
So in one term, you "only" deport 4 million.
I'll take that.
Posted by: Phelps at September 10, 2015 02:18 PM (EAxV6)
784
Do not panic.
Trump is no Genghis Kahn.
Despite your concern, he has no plans to raze your city and pile up the skulls of the dead.
Although he may use Kelo to seize your property for a public/private project.
Scale matters.
Trump is no Genghis Kahn.
Despite your concern, he has no plans to raze your city and pile up the skulls of the dead.
Although he may use Kelo to seize your property for a public/private project.
Scale matters.
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at September 10, 2015 02:18 PM (uPxUo)
785
781 Trump gets right to the point of why America yearns for a third party, even though Americans can't articulate it.
Nationalism.
We are, at our core, an extremely Nationalistic country. Even with control of the media and education, the New World Order folks in both parties can't stamp the inherent Nationalistic tendencies out of us. They never will. They know it.
Trump has tapped that. By design or not, I do not know.
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Trump knows what he is doing. The funny thing is the respectable people don't understand this. Yes, we love our nation and wish to give it to our children in better shape than we found it. Sadly, after Obama and Identity Politics we can't say we will be able to do that. The Same Grey Paste of Jeb and GOPe ain't gonna get it done. Half-a-loaf won't do anymore.
Nationalism.
We are, at our core, an extremely Nationalistic country. Even with control of the media and education, the New World Order folks in both parties can't stamp the inherent Nationalistic tendencies out of us. They never will. They know it.
Trump has tapped that. By design or not, I do not know.
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Trump knows what he is doing. The funny thing is the respectable people don't understand this. Yes, we love our nation and wish to give it to our children in better shape than we found it. Sadly, after Obama and Identity Politics we can't say we will be able to do that. The Same Grey Paste of Jeb and GOPe ain't gonna get it done. Half-a-loaf won't do anymore.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2015 02:19 PM (oDCMR)
786
Does it matter to you that Trump said strict deportation policy was malicious just a short 3 years ago?
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 10, 2015 02:00 PM (YccS3)
Wasn't Ron Reagan a Democrat?
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 10, 2015 02:00 PM (YccS3)
Wasn't Ron Reagan a Democrat?
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at September 10, 2015 02:21 PM (DfCQN)
787
783 "He only wants to deport twice as many people as Hitler killed. So please explain how he will do this.
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From the looks of things in Europe is would seem 11 million people are able to move themselves given the right encouragement. Cut off all entitlements to illegals and punish their employers like we do businesses that run afoul of EPA regs (reminiscent of Genghis Khan) and viola - Law and Order.
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From the looks of things in Europe is would seem 11 million people are able to move themselves given the right encouragement. Cut off all entitlements to illegals and punish their employers like we do businesses that run afoul of EPA regs (reminiscent of Genghis Khan) and viola - Law and Order.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2015 02:22 PM (oDCMR)
788
And who, besides Donald Trump, would have the balls to extort a television network to give their profits to charity?
No one - NOT ONE of these other loser/cowards can get their lips unstuck from the media's ass... The springback would put their little pea-brains in orbit.
No one - NOT ONE of these other loser/cowards can get their lips unstuck from the media's ass... The springback would put their little pea-brains in orbit.
Posted by: franksalterego at September 10, 2015 02:23 PM (Fh+WR)
789
Grampa Jimbo,
You plagarized me! I said "He may be a son-of-a-bitch, but he's our son-of-a-bitch," and you did not give credit.
You will not have Richard Nixon to kick around anymore.
You plagarized me! I said "He may be a son-of-a-bitch, but he's our son-of-a-bitch," and you did not give credit.
You will not have Richard Nixon to kick around anymore.
Posted by: Zombie Tricky Dick at September 10, 2015 02:31 PM (1ijHg)
Posted by: Jim at September 10, 2015 02:36 PM (UklBk)
791
"it's not even about ME being outraged. it's about Trump simply not
comprehending that this is a No-Go Zone for a substantial bloc of the
conservative coalition."
That may have been the old rules... then we saw what the GOPe was (McDaniels), and now I think for the conservative coalition - all bets are off.
comprehending that this is a No-Go Zone for a substantial bloc of the
conservative coalition."
That may have been the old rules... then we saw what the GOPe was (McDaniels), and now I think for the conservative coalition - all bets are off.
Posted by: Reality Man at September 10, 2015 02:37 PM (9AQdP)
792
Trump could call Carly a skank.
It wouldn't matter.
Trump could call Carson Jeb's house boy.
It wouldn't matter.
Trump could call God a fantasy.
It wouldn't matter.
If Trump starts backpedaling on his immigration stance, his goose is cooked. The other day he slipped up and said the United States should accept Syrian "refugees." The angry masses turned on him and he did a 180. A more serious faux pas on that issue will start to finish him. That's what the Trump support is about whether people want to face that reality or not. If any other candidate could convincingly call for an absolute moratorium on immigration he or she would win, win it all. But the public can smell the fraud now and is willing to burn the face off anyone who lies to it.
It wouldn't matter.
Trump could call Carson Jeb's house boy.
It wouldn't matter.
Trump could call God a fantasy.
It wouldn't matter.
If Trump starts backpedaling on his immigration stance, his goose is cooked. The other day he slipped up and said the United States should accept Syrian "refugees." The angry masses turned on him and he did a 180. A more serious faux pas on that issue will start to finish him. That's what the Trump support is about whether people want to face that reality or not. If any other candidate could convincingly call for an absolute moratorium on immigration he or she would win, win it all. But the public can smell the fraud now and is willing to burn the face off anyone who lies to it.
Posted by: A cat pissing in the toilet at September 10, 2015 02:40 PM (6gR7l)
793
298 For practicing Christians, Trump's attacks on Ben Carson's faith recently are many times more damning (in every sense of the word) than his disparaging of Carly. Non-Christians won't get this, and won't think it's a big deal, and that's fine. They will buy Trump's schtick that "he criticized me, he's just as bad as me".
But all Carson said was what every evangelical Christian has been thinking since Trump's "i don't need no forgiveness!" talk. Of course it's fine for him to say that, and it makes him look tuff and all that, but that's a great big red banner saying "I AM PLAYING ALL YOU STUPID XIANS FOR CHUMPS HAHHA!!!"
Wheras Carson speaks like a true Christian, acts like a Christian, carries himself like a Christian should. When Trump attacks him, he is openly and personally attacking every evangelical voter he is going to need to win this thing.
FYI, every evangelical I know is either putting Ben Carson stickers on their cars, or asking about where they can get some.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2015 12:41 PM (Kpl3J)
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Sometimes I wonder if I live in the same country as other commenters here.
Someone please explain why the religion or even authenticity of claimed religion of a candidate is even relevant. Let alone of two complete non-politicians. Really ? Well, Ben Carson acts like a good christian. Therefore... ?
But all Carson said was what every evangelical Christian has been thinking since Trump's "i don't need no forgiveness!" talk. Of course it's fine for him to say that, and it makes him look tuff and all that, but that's a great big red banner saying "I AM PLAYING ALL YOU STUPID XIANS FOR CHUMPS HAHHA!!!"
Wheras Carson speaks like a true Christian, acts like a Christian, carries himself like a Christian should. When Trump attacks him, he is openly and personally attacking every evangelical voter he is going to need to win this thing.
FYI, every evangelical I know is either putting Ben Carson stickers on their cars, or asking about where they can get some.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2015 12:41 PM (Kpl3J)
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Sometimes I wonder if I live in the same country as other commenters here.
Someone please explain why the religion or even authenticity of claimed religion of a candidate is even relevant. Let alone of two complete non-politicians. Really ? Well, Ben Carson acts like a good christian. Therefore... ?
Posted by: deadrody at September 10, 2015 02:44 PM (kj7T1)
794
"220 You nominate Trump, and I am done with you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in common. You are everything the left has claimed you are.
So glad you don't feel this way about Obama.
Your concern is duly noted.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 10, 2015 12:32 PM (LUgeY)"
Really? When did Obama run as a conservative on the GOP ticket? I seem to have missed that.
So glad you don't feel this way about Obama.
Your concern is duly noted.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 10, 2015 12:32 PM (LUgeY)"
Really? When did Obama run as a conservative on the GOP ticket? I seem to have missed that.
Posted by: Tyrconnell at September 10, 2015 02:46 PM (37ZZQ)
795
I think what is being missed, Trump didn't give this soundbite in an interview. He was watching TV with his team and said it off the cuff.
Posted by: mossomo at September 10, 2015 02:48 PM (3Vph4)
796
Sorry if this was mentioned earlier, but I didn't see it in my quick run-through of the comments (not enough time to read all the scintillation today).
I gave up hope for Trump when I read this PowerLine piece:
http://tinyurl.com/nqav7oo
This cluelessness is really hard to rationalize. I tried hard, believe me.
Well, Cruz was my #1 choice, so maybe he'll be able to sweep up the pieces and carry on after The Don smashes to earth.
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Posted by: LivingProof at September 10, 2015 02:49 PM (KraNg)
797
ARGH--I don't know why that keeps happening! I paste plaintext into Outlook, then retype it and delete the original.
I give up. No more posts from me.
I give up. No more posts from me.
Posted by: LivingProof at September 10, 2015 02:50 PM (KraNg)
798
Trump pissing off all the *right* people. Look at all the love in the room! I LOVE this place.
TRUMP 2016 - There will be Hell Toupee
TRUMP 2016 - There will be Hell Toupee
Posted by: willlloww at September 10, 2015 02:51 PM (qQk+U)
799
>>>Sometimes I wonder if I live in the same country as other commenters here.
Perhaps it would be better to say you live in the same Empire. They ought to be different countries but DC rules the whole continent.
Perhaps it would be better to say you live in the same Empire. They ought to be different countries but DC rules the whole continent.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 10, 2015 02:52 PM (TULs6)
800
339 >>>No one - I mean NO ONE was pushing back, until Donald Trump.
trump, the candidate with balls enough to push back against Carly Fiorino's ugly face
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:46 PM (dciA+)
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Now we're starting to make some progress!!
trump, the candidate with balls enough to push back against Carly Fiorino's ugly face
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:46 PM (dciA+)
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Now we're starting to make some progress!!
Posted by: deadrody at September 10, 2015 02:54 PM (kj7T1)
801
368 >>>Interesting mostly because you seem to find the GOP as still having respectability, Ace.
um, no, I'm saying individual voters crave respectability.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (dciA+)
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Here's the thing - I really don't think they do. Maybe they DID at one time, but now ? I think there are a lot of average voters out there that are just FED.UP. With all of Washington and politics in general.
I mean, the US is sure as HELL no respectable in the world today in any real sense and rapidly becoming less so by the minute with the SCOAMF in charge.
The one truism I think people miss about Trump is that what a lot of people want to change is "politics as usual". Trump is literally the embodiment of that sentiment. There is nothing about Trump that is "politics as usual".
And that is his appeal. This little episode certainly doesn't detract from that and might even add to it.
um, no, I'm saying individual voters crave respectability.
Posted by: ace at September 10, 2015 12:50 PM (dciA+)
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Here's the thing - I really don't think they do. Maybe they DID at one time, but now ? I think there are a lot of average voters out there that are just FED.UP. With all of Washington and politics in general.
I mean, the US is sure as HELL no respectable in the world today in any real sense and rapidly becoming less so by the minute with the SCOAMF in charge.
The one truism I think people miss about Trump is that what a lot of people want to change is "politics as usual". Trump is literally the embodiment of that sentiment. There is nothing about Trump that is "politics as usual".
And that is his appeal. This little episode certainly doesn't detract from that and might even add to it.
Posted by: deadrody at September 10, 2015 03:02 PM (kj7T1)
802
His mouth is not going to destroy him, but his enemies mouths will. But not for a while, not until he has gutted all of the "smart" peoples favorites. Thank God for a loose cannon! Save us, please, from our "betters" candidates!
Posted by: goon at September 10, 2015 03:12 PM (gy5kE)
803
Trump simply put is a bully, I enjoyed watching him toss the media around like a sack of potatoes but his treatment of other candidates is crass, vulgar and what is clearly verbal abuse and bullying. I won't take that kind of behavior from anyone least of all a progressive narcissist.
Posted by: Rose at September 10, 2015 03:20 PM (epC6E)
804
For the Trump supporters calling Fiorina 'establishment' let me ask you this:
Have you ever supported a GOP candidate (held your nose and voted, gave donations to, encouraged others to vote for) in the hopes that they would effect change?
When said establishment candidate (I saw this rendered as the 'clerisy class' recently) didn't do what they implicit or explicitly promised the grassroots, have you ever shot off your mouth saying they have failed?
Have you gotten off your keister and done something about it?
I would bet that the majority of you would answer 'yes' to all those questions. Do you then consider yourself truly committed to conservatism and liberty? But by the yardstick measuring Fiorina as establishment so are you. Maybe she is as giant as sell out as McConnell, but I don't think that her fundraising for McCain in 2008 is as big an indicator of that as Trump supporters would have you believe.
The giant screaming Id of Trumpism may appeal at a visceral level, but this binary of Trump or Establishment as the only choice is false.
Have you ever supported a GOP candidate (held your nose and voted, gave donations to, encouraged others to vote for) in the hopes that they would effect change?
When said establishment candidate (I saw this rendered as the 'clerisy class' recently) didn't do what they implicit or explicitly promised the grassroots, have you ever shot off your mouth saying they have failed?
Have you gotten off your keister and done something about it?
I would bet that the majority of you would answer 'yes' to all those questions. Do you then consider yourself truly committed to conservatism and liberty? But by the yardstick measuring Fiorina as establishment so are you. Maybe she is as giant as sell out as McConnell, but I don't think that her fundraising for McCain in 2008 is as big an indicator of that as Trump supporters would have you believe.
The giant screaming Id of Trumpism may appeal at a visceral level, but this binary of Trump or Establishment as the only choice is false.
Posted by: tms at September 10, 2015 03:24 PM (gQHeD)
805
It is simple, until a Republican candidate can flank to the right and attack Trump on not reducing immigration enough AND get after the crony / donor class of the GOPe better than Trump than his tone, antics, his big mouth is meaningless.
Posted by: William Eaton at September 10, 2015 03:27 PM (q52Ma)
806
745 - aw, what's the matter sweetheart, did I hurt your widdle feewings?
Posted by: Ken at September 10, 2015 03:36 PM (WLeoI)
807
805 It is simple, until a Republican candidate can flank to the right and attack Trump on not reducing immigration enough AND get after the crony / donor class of the GOPe better than Trump than his tone, antics, his big mouth is meaningless.
Posted by: William Eaton at September 10, 2015 03:27 PM (q52Ma
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That's it. People either can accept it or not, but it doesn't get dull watching otherwise smart run down rabbitholes like 'tards.
Posted by: William Eaton at September 10, 2015 03:27 PM (q52Ma
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That's it. People either can accept it or not, but it doesn't get dull watching otherwise smart run down rabbitholes like 'tards.
Posted by: Donald Trump poisoned my cat at September 10, 2015 03:38 PM (6gR7l)
808
I hate to say this, because I hate to look rude, but one thing about Trump - he says stuff I was thinking, but didn't think was polite to say.
To be honest with you, I like Carly Fiorina's message and that she took the fight to Hillary. I was the one in these comments early on saying hey, why aren't we (the royal we) looking at Fiorina, because she is making sense, and she's ruthless going after Hillary, and ...
But you know what? I think she looks like a weasel. The real animal, not the use of the term to describe a human who waffles on stuff. I thought this might hurt her, that she has this weasel look, but then chastised myself for thinking such a shallow thing.
But then Donald actually said it... that her face is a hindrance, not a help.
Listen, if I was thinking it, so was everybody else. He just actually had the misfortune of having someone write it down.
I hate to say this, because I hate to look rude, but one thing about Trump - he says stuff I was thinking, but didn't think was polite to say.
To be honest with you, I like Carly Fiorina's message and that she took the fight to Hillary. I was the one in these comments early on saying hey, why aren't we (the royal we) looking at Fiorina, because she is making sense, and she's ruthless going after Hillary, and ...
But you know what? I think she looks like a weasel. The real animal, not the use of the term to describe a human who waffles on stuff. I thought this might hurt her, that she has this weasel look, but then chastised myself for thinking such a shallow thing.
But then Donald actually said it... that her face is a hindrance, not a help.
Listen, if I was thinking it, so was everybody else. He just actually had the misfortune of having someone write it down.
Posted by: the other coyote at September 10, 2015 03:43 PM (yK44T)
809
Something I've noticed, is all the people defending Trump that point out Cruz is their guy, but they love what Trump is doing. I fit the description, and I bet 90% of the people here enjoying the Donald Show are too. So let me tell you what trump is doing that we love.
Trump is attacking political correctness.
Oh sure, he's scaring the bought and paid for DC establishment and lobbist-industrial complex ( I just made that up, it fits) silly, which is fun, and he's pissing off the GOP because they can't control him (else he wouldn't be calling for a border fence), and he's just plain entertaining, but the reason for all that is because of what he's doing, namely, skewering PC every chance he gets. Revealing just how deeply PC has wound it's way around all our throats, and making me laugh at the exploding heads.
Take this Carly example. Trump said "look at her face". Not "her face looks like a foot", or "she's fugly", or anything else. But for the PC enslaved right, terrified of the "war on women" meme, this is a bridge too far, revealing their own hypocrisy by forgetting if he said the same thing about Lindsey Graham it would get a laugh.
I suggest to those with their knickers in a twist over anything Trump says they should examine their own PC tendencies. THAT is the only thing that will return us to sanity as a nation.
Trump is attacking political correctness.
Oh sure, he's scaring the bought and paid for DC establishment and lobbist-industrial complex ( I just made that up, it fits) silly, which is fun, and he's pissing off the GOP because they can't control him (else he wouldn't be calling for a border fence), and he's just plain entertaining, but the reason for all that is because of what he's doing, namely, skewering PC every chance he gets. Revealing just how deeply PC has wound it's way around all our throats, and making me laugh at the exploding heads.
Take this Carly example. Trump said "look at her face". Not "her face looks like a foot", or "she's fugly", or anything else. But for the PC enslaved right, terrified of the "war on women" meme, this is a bridge too far, revealing their own hypocrisy by forgetting if he said the same thing about Lindsey Graham it would get a laugh.
I suggest to those with their knickers in a twist over anything Trump says they should examine their own PC tendencies. THAT is the only thing that will return us to sanity as a nation.
Posted by: lee at September 10, 2015 03:49 PM (yD9uA)
810
"He will not win the presidency that way. He may win the nomination in a broken field, but not the presidency."
Wait a second. You mean that Hillary is respectable? Bernie is respectable? The faux Indian is respectable? That's laughable.
You are living in the pre-Obama world. It's like you wake up everyday and ignore what's happened for the last seven years.
Nobody would have believed that it was possible for candidates to be pandering to illegals over citizens before 2008. There is just absolutely no response from or control over the oligarchy anymore.
It's Trump vs. the oligarchy.
Go Trump!
Wait a second. You mean that Hillary is respectable? Bernie is respectable? The faux Indian is respectable? That's laughable.
You are living in the pre-Obama world. It's like you wake up everyday and ignore what's happened for the last seven years.
Nobody would have believed that it was possible for candidates to be pandering to illegals over citizens before 2008. There is just absolutely no response from or control over the oligarchy anymore.
It's Trump vs. the oligarchy.
Go Trump!
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at September 10, 2015 04:00 PM (4UFKP)
811
"There is a notion of Middle Class Respectability. This notion is important to most members of my (your?) class."Which, in a nutshell, is why we lose. We're in a knife fight in an alley, and we're using Marquis of Queensbury rules.
Totally get it, Ace, but the feminized English majors and TV actors that make up the herd-minded Establishment media would never allow Andrew Jackson, Lincoln, Grant, or Reagan on the ballot either. By the way, not equating Trump with those former Presidents nor equating you with the establishment media. Can't I have it both ways?
Totally get it, Ace, but the feminized English majors and TV actors that make up the herd-minded Establishment media would never allow Andrew Jackson, Lincoln, Grant, or Reagan on the ballot either. By the way, not equating Trump with those former Presidents nor equating you with the establishment media. Can't I have it both ways?
Posted by: Mike at September 10, 2015 04:12 PM (o38N1)
812
"He only wants to deport twice as many people as Hitler killed. So please explain how he will do this."
Simple, one at a time same as other criminals. Once identified (the list of food stamp recipients would net most of them), they are escorted to the south side of that big shiny new wall, and point out where the end of the legal immigrant line is.
Think of it like the national debt. Ain't never going to pay it off, especially not all at once. Wouldn't it be nice to see the numbers going down for once though?
Simple, one at a time same as other criminals. Once identified (the list of food stamp recipients would net most of them), they are escorted to the south side of that big shiny new wall, and point out where the end of the legal immigrant line is.
Think of it like the national debt. Ain't never going to pay it off, especially not all at once. Wouldn't it be nice to see the numbers going down for once though?
Posted by: lee at September 10, 2015 04:12 PM (yD9uA)
813
I am a conservative. I served my country. I love my
country; I owe it a lot. I have defended conservatives at every turn,
even on issues that I'm neutral about. I vote for conservatives. I give
money to conservatives.
You nominate Trump, and I am done with
you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this
boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in
common. You are everything the left has claimed you are.
Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (nFICN)
**YAWN**
country; I owe it a lot. I have defended conservatives at every turn,
even on issues that I'm neutral about. I vote for conservatives. I give
money to conservatives.
You nominate Trump, and I am done with
you. All of you. Forever. If you are this stupid, this crude, this
boorish, this illogical, this hypocritical -- then we have nothing in
common. You are everything the left has claimed you are.
Posted by: Blankety Blank So and So at September 10, 2015 12:30 PM (nFICN)
**YAWN**
Posted by: guywhodoesn'tcare at September 10, 2015 04:12 PM (TPimP)
814
On the deportation thing.
What about all the adults with US Citizen kids under 18?
I know what I would do ... say you're leaving, with or without your kids. I assume most would take their kids with them. If they don't, well, we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
That is the argument (and legal reasoning) I keep hearing about why we can't deport illegal. Maybe I'm a heartless bitch?
On the deportation thing.
What about all the adults with US Citizen kids under 18?
I know what I would do ... say you're leaving, with or without your kids. I assume most would take their kids with them. If they don't, well, we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
That is the argument (and legal reasoning) I keep hearing about why we can't deport illegal. Maybe I'm a heartless bitch?
Posted by: the other coyote at September 10, 2015 04:17 PM (yK44T)
815
And frankly, I wish people would stop trying to predict or claim that THIS IS IT HE'S TOAST HE'S DONE HE'LL NEVER RECOVER.
False predictions cannot hurt Trump; only the credibility of the ones who make it.
We'll find out pretty soon if he's going to burn out ... or not.
False predictions cannot hurt Trump; only the credibility of the ones who make it.
We'll find out pretty soon if he's going to burn out ... or not.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 10, 2015 04:18 PM (0NdlF)
816
Trump 2016! Because fuck the GOPe, that's why.
Posted by: GOPe Slayer at September 10, 2015 04:20 PM (zFXwQ)
817
"He only wants to deport twice as many people as Hitler killed. So please explain how he will do this."
May I suggest that we use the same method that they used to get here in the first place?
We didn't exactly run concentration camps and send out brownshirts to collect millions of illegals from Mexico.
May I suggest that we use the same method that they used to get here in the first place?
We didn't exactly run concentration camps and send out brownshirts to collect millions of illegals from Mexico.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 10, 2015 04:20 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: tt at September 10, 2015 04:25 PM (aHUpC)
819
We are VERY respectable. We say nice things to you and then screw you over the second you are out of sight.
We respect Obama.
We respect Hillary.
We respect Holder.
We respect Justice John Roberts.
We respect Justice Kennedy.
We respect commies on the Supreme Court.
We respect Black lives matter.
We respect undocumented immigrants.
We respect the Cheap Labor Express.
We respect our donors and benefactors.
We respect John Boehner.
We respect Eric Cantor.
We respect Planned Parenthood.
We respect the Mexican and Chinese governments.
We respect CAIR, Muslims and Islam.
We respect treason.
We respect homosexual marriage.
We respect jailing and fining Christians.
We respect....
The only thing we don't respect is our voters. It's almost like they think we work for them or something.
We respect Obama.
We respect Hillary.
We respect Holder.
We respect Justice John Roberts.
We respect Justice Kennedy.
We respect commies on the Supreme Court.
We respect Black lives matter.
We respect undocumented immigrants.
We respect the Cheap Labor Express.
We respect our donors and benefactors.
We respect John Boehner.
We respect Eric Cantor.
We respect Planned Parenthood.
We respect the Mexican and Chinese governments.
We respect CAIR, Muslims and Islam.
We respect treason.
We respect homosexual marriage.
We respect jailing and fining Christians.
We respect....
The only thing we don't respect is our voters. It's almost like they think we work for them or something.
Posted by: The GOPe at September 10, 2015 04:26 PM (4UFKP)
820
if you guys and gals think for one minute that trump actually give's a shit about you - you are past delusional....He is a narccisstic ass who is only about one thing , and one thing only...That is hearing himself talk and seeing his face on the screens...He is a clown....Nothing more - nothing less...I don't understand how people can not see that - What does the guy stand for? Going to build a fence? Do you really believe that? Against PP and the abortion mills? Really...Nothing but blabber...Maybe some of the trumpers should do a little history check and see what this guy stood for over the past 25-30 years.......Remember boys and girls, you need to judge people not by thier words, but by there past actions and deeds....
Posted by: scottw at September 10, 2015 04:57 PM (M13vx)
821
Though I remain a staunch Trump supporter, I'm not going to pretend like this bad comment might have an upside. Unlike his row with Megyn Kelly, there is no plausible upside to Trump's gaffe about Fiorina.
But there are a few things to keep in mind.
Trump's comment about Fiorina falls into a different category than his counterpunch clash with Kelly. Megyn picked that fight - not Trump. And even though Trump decided to belatedly (and ill-advisedly) hit back yet a second time through Twitter: remember that it was Megyn Kelly who first chose to double-down on her utterly off-base character-assassination when she continued to strike at Trump in her post-debate live coverage - when Trump was no longer around to defend himself.
Moreover, Trump's belated "insult"-tweet that Kelly's show was better while she was on vacation was mild to say the very most. The idea that Trump said some god-awful, horrible, way-out-of-bounds thing by suggesting that Megyn Kelly take another week of vacation should now be seen for what it was: a hypersensitive overreaction.
All that said, yes, this a bad comment that cannot be justified.
I hope that it is not the case, but it is conceivable that with this dumb comment, Trump has actually punctured one of his own tires. Upcoming polling data will clarify whether he has. But if he has, will the damage prove so bad that he can't recover?
We'll see.
But there are a few things to keep in mind.
Trump's comment about Fiorina falls into a different category than his counterpunch clash with Kelly. Megyn picked that fight - not Trump. And even though Trump decided to belatedly (and ill-advisedly) hit back yet a second time through Twitter: remember that it was Megyn Kelly who first chose to double-down on her utterly off-base character-assassination when she continued to strike at Trump in her post-debate live coverage - when Trump was no longer around to defend himself.
Moreover, Trump's belated "insult"-tweet that Kelly's show was better while she was on vacation was mild to say the very most. The idea that Trump said some god-awful, horrible, way-out-of-bounds thing by suggesting that Megyn Kelly take another week of vacation should now be seen for what it was: a hypersensitive overreaction.
All that said, yes, this a bad comment that cannot be justified.
I hope that it is not the case, but it is conceivable that with this dumb comment, Trump has actually punctured one of his own tires. Upcoming polling data will clarify whether he has. But if he has, will the damage prove so bad that he can't recover?
We'll see.
Posted by: Trump Super-Fan at September 10, 2015 04:59 PM (l2dSQ)
822
And remember: President Trump will be a dagger to the heart of Illegal Immigration.
Posted by: Trump Super-Fan at September 10, 2015 05:10 PM (l2dSQ)
823
811 I'm a woman and an English major, and I could care less.
Would someone better be better? Of course, but right now none seem in sight -- and the ones that could be can't seem to find their mouths to go after those that afflict the people.
I could care less if someone says something nasty to somebody, when those in power could wind up making my children destitute or dead due to their arrogance and avarice. If I remember correctly Fiorina is one of the people who made a big to do about the Religion of Peaceful Tranquility at a time when the ashes of WTC were not even cool yet...and I am supposed to worry about someone calling her ugly? Is she not a big girl?
In the end, while I do believe in a civil society and civic responsibility, I have to wonder which is more an affront to my principles: the person who claims to be upstanding (all the while doing very questionable if not immoral things), who parades their righteousness while privately making deals with the devil, or a vulgarian who is well known to be one?
Fix that problem, and perhaps there is a chance -- until then, I too am enjoying my popcorn.
Would someone better be better? Of course, but right now none seem in sight -- and the ones that could be can't seem to find their mouths to go after those that afflict the people.
I could care less if someone says something nasty to somebody, when those in power could wind up making my children destitute or dead due to their arrogance and avarice. If I remember correctly Fiorina is one of the people who made a big to do about the Religion of Peaceful Tranquility at a time when the ashes of WTC were not even cool yet...and I am supposed to worry about someone calling her ugly? Is she not a big girl?
In the end, while I do believe in a civil society and civic responsibility, I have to wonder which is more an affront to my principles: the person who claims to be upstanding (all the while doing very questionable if not immoral things), who parades their righteousness while privately making deals with the devil, or a vulgarian who is well known to be one?
Fix that problem, and perhaps there is a chance -- until then, I too am enjoying my popcorn.
Posted by: unknown j. at September 10, 2015 05:13 PM (XLVQK)
824
There is also a good argument to be made that Trump is indeed very good at learning from his forays into and mistakes regarding politics.
For example, Trump's approach to winning the nomination this time around is clearly far superior to his prior efforts. So he must have learned _something_ in order to go from having weak support and being taken seriously to finding a way to attract MASSIVE (yuuuuge) support which has put him in uncontested first place in the polls and causing him to be taken very seriously.
It would be silly to think he just got lucky.
There is also a good argument to be made that Trump is indeed very good at learning from his forays into and mistakes regarding politics.
For example, Trump's approach to winning the nomination this time around is clearly far superior to his prior efforts. So he must have learned _something_ in order to go from having weak support and being taken seriously to finding a way to attract MASSIVE (yuuuuge) support which has put him in uncontested first place in the polls and causing him to be taken very seriously.
It would be silly to think he just got lucky.
Posted by: Trump Super-Fan at September 10, 2015 05:18 PM (l2dSQ)
825
"From the looks of things in Europe is would seem 11 million people are able to move themselves given the right encouragement. Cut off all entitlements to illegals and punish their employers like we do businesses that run afoul of EPA regs (reminiscent of Genghis Khan) and viola - Law and Order. "
You do realize that if an employer used e-verify to find out one of his employees is illegal, it would be against the law to fire that employee until the feds gave him the go ahead? That illegal has the right to keep his job throughout the whole appeal process.
Employers can't even ask a perspective employee what race they are. They can't even ask if they have child support payments that the employer will be responsible for. There are so many things they aren't allowed to ask that would financially hurt them if they hire the applicant...yet, throw the book at them if they accidently hire the wrong person.
Yep, accidently. A farmer accidently messes up, the EPA is down their throat. A liberal city government intentionally dumps millions of gallons of raw sewage into the harbor - it's a slap on the wrist.
Leave the businesses alone and do your job of not letting them across the border.
You do realize that if an employer used e-verify to find out one of his employees is illegal, it would be against the law to fire that employee until the feds gave him the go ahead? That illegal has the right to keep his job throughout the whole appeal process.
Employers can't even ask a perspective employee what race they are. They can't even ask if they have child support payments that the employer will be responsible for. There are so many things they aren't allowed to ask that would financially hurt them if they hire the applicant...yet, throw the book at them if they accidently hire the wrong person.
Yep, accidently. A farmer accidently messes up, the EPA is down their throat. A liberal city government intentionally dumps millions of gallons of raw sewage into the harbor - it's a slap on the wrist.
Leave the businesses alone and do your job of not letting them across the border.
Posted by: doug at September 10, 2015 05:18 PM (pnbK5)
826
820 No, I know he doesn't give a rat's behind about me; I suppose I could say to him "that makes two of us". I could care less about him either -- so we see eye to eye.
By the way...for those who still like Fiorina's message: has anyone asked her about all her previous board member work with Khalid al-Mansour? (I think his real name is Dan Warden, or something like that, but Khalid is his nom de plume/guerre now). If Trump were really legit (and smart), which yes I do doubt, then a brief zinger about him would do much more than calling the woman ugly in face (hint: it's not her visage's lack of beauty that I may find appalling).
By the way...for those who still like Fiorina's message: has anyone asked her about all her previous board member work with Khalid al-Mansour? (I think his real name is Dan Warden, or something like that, but Khalid is his nom de plume/guerre now). If Trump were really legit (and smart), which yes I do doubt, then a brief zinger about him would do much more than calling the woman ugly in face (hint: it's not her visage's lack of beauty that I may find appalling).
Posted by: unknown j. at September 10, 2015 05:31 PM (XLVQK)
827
I can only repeat, with respect to you, sir, that Trump's front -- the come-on he uses to lull into foolishness the international sharpsters he out-negotiates exactly because they under-estimate him -- his front is a ploy. You are too smart not to see how he is playing everybody but his supporters, who Get It.
Nobody else will send the illegals' invasion home and make it get in line. Trump alone refuses to accept the Left's tactic, that there are "crimes too big to punish," just as he understands that PC makes any forward momentum based on logic and thought and mutual respect impossible.
Europe is likely lost. "The Camp of The Saints." We are The West now. And we are shipping water.
Nobody else will send the illegals' invasion home and make it get in line. Trump alone refuses to accept the Left's tactic, that there are "crimes too big to punish," just as he understands that PC makes any forward momentum based on logic and thought and mutual respect impossible.
Europe is likely lost. "The Camp of The Saints." We are The West now. And we are shipping water.
Posted by: herb borkland at September 10, 2015 05:32 PM (AZ4sn)
828
Remember boys and girls, you need to judge people not by thier words, but by there past actions and deeds....
And that is why the GOP must burn.
And that is why the GOP must burn.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 10, 2015 06:14 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 10, 2015 06:27 PM (qCMvj)
830
828
Remember boys and girls, you need to judge people not by thier words, but by there past actions and deeds....
And that is why the GOP must burn.
Yep......
Remember boys and girls, you need to judge people not by thier words, but by there past actions and deeds....
And that is why the GOP must burn.
Yep......
Posted by: scottw at September 10, 2015 06:32 PM (M13vx)
831
"Remember boys and girls, you need to judge people not by thier words, but by there past actions and deeds...."
We do and are that's why we aren't voting for them again.
Go Trump!
We do and are that's why we aren't voting for them again.
Go Trump!
Posted by: Jon Stuart Leibowitz & 88% of Jewish voters at September 10, 2015 06:39 PM (4UFKP)
832
Oops. Sock off.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at September 10, 2015 06:45 PM (4UFKP)
833
Oh geez. Who cares, honestly!
All except about Jeb speaking Spanish. Jeb, we live in the US. Please speak English. Thank you, you feckless moron.
All except about Jeb speaking Spanish. Jeb, we live in the US. Please speak English. Thank you, you feckless moron.
Posted by: Mistress Overdone at September 10, 2015 10:01 PM (2S9xy)
834
Some of us figured out that Trump was an asshole before he said that Fiorina had "bad face".
I'm disappointed in you, Ace.
I'm disappointed in you, Ace.
Posted by: FreedomFan at September 10, 2015 10:25 PM (8jggg)
835
Ru Roh! Make America Great party about to surface. We weren't nice to the great Donald and he's going to punish us.
Posted by: NUECES at September 10, 2015 11:34 PM (avlDR)
836
"...Barack Obama largely won because he was such an aspirational figure.
Many people -- not me, not you; we weren't taken in -- looked at him and
said, "What a man, educated, urbane, caring... that's what I'd like
society to look like."..."
Bulls**t -
Obama won, first time around, mostly because he was Recognizably Black whilst being (Relatively) Inoffensively, Acceptably Black - and also because he was a faster/smoother-talking liar than Das HillaryBeest, a Democrap and a creature of the Windy City Socialists/Communists, Ink. He "won", second time around, because a) the (mostly) same reasons, plus just the right combination of ineffectual political "Me-Tooism" by his Rethuglican-Elitist lack-of-opposition and deftly-applied touches of Democrap electoral thievery.
If he gets the nomination - and wins in November 2016 - (couple of still-large "ifs" there, right? Looo-o-ong time to go, yet...) Trump will be POTUS because enough people will be willing to acknowledge and accept, and look past, the significant fact that The Donald is what he is, ain't gonna sugar-candy-coat it, take it or leave it, WYSIWYG...and vote for him 'cause he's the severe dose of salts the U.S. Body Politic sorely needs just now -
If he starts to "make nice" - beware! Somehow, some way, the Fix Is In...
I don't much like him - but, he's a direct demonstration of "it ain't brag - or wrong, either - if he can really do it"...and he can - if anybody can.
Many people -- not me, not you; we weren't taken in -- looked at him and
said, "What a man, educated, urbane, caring... that's what I'd like
society to look like."..."
Bulls**t -
Obama won, first time around, mostly because he was Recognizably Black whilst being (Relatively) Inoffensively, Acceptably Black - and also because he was a faster/smoother-talking liar than Das HillaryBeest, a Democrap and a creature of the Windy City Socialists/Communists, Ink. He "won", second time around, because a) the (mostly) same reasons, plus just the right combination of ineffectual political "Me-Tooism" by his Rethuglican-Elitist lack-of-opposition and deftly-applied touches of Democrap electoral thievery.
If he gets the nomination - and wins in November 2016 - (couple of still-large "ifs" there, right? Looo-o-ong time to go, yet...) Trump will be POTUS because enough people will be willing to acknowledge and accept, and look past, the significant fact that The Donald is what he is, ain't gonna sugar-candy-coat it, take it or leave it, WYSIWYG...and vote for him 'cause he's the severe dose of salts the U.S. Body Politic sorely needs just now -
If he starts to "make nice" - beware! Somehow, some way, the Fix Is In...
I don't much like him - but, he's a direct demonstration of "it ain't brag - or wrong, either - if he can really do it"...and he can - if anybody can.
Posted by: Corrections 'R Us... at September 11, 2015 04:02 AM (w6hh5)
Posted by: Martin at September 11, 2015 09:21 AM (pUbRw)
838
The word is spelled "losing", not "loosing". Please check your second paragraph
Posted by: Chris at September 11, 2015 10:44 AM (mLB+A)
839
State of the world's too shaky for anyone to care about politicians' feelings. Trump'll get through.
Posted by: cmp at September 11, 2015 11:00 AM (Z619l)
840
Seriously. Are you the kind of people who proclaim they want to marry a woman on the first date. Donald Trump is that slutty girl you want to have fun with, but don't ever. ever. want to be seen at the altar with. Or in the Oval Office. We're having way too much fun screwing with teh GOpeople who say I would never do that in your mouth, but always do anyway. Live with it.
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