Overnight Open Thread (9-7-2015) – Living Like a Refugee Edition

Quote of the Day I

And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison, and will go forth and deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, and will gather them together for the battle; the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up over the breadth of the earth and encompassed the camp of the saints, and the beloved city.

-- Revelation 20:7-9 from whence the novel, Camp of the Saints, takes its name

Quote of the Day II

Actually we can't do what we like with [Britain]. We inherited it from our parents and grandparents and we have a duty to hand it on to our children and grandchildren, preferably improved and certainly undamaged. It is one of the heaviest responsibilities we will ever have. We cannot just give it away to complete strangers on an impulse because it makes us feel good about ourselves.

Every one of the posturing notables simpering 'refugees welcome' should be asked if he or she will take a refugee family into his or her home for an indefinite period, and pay for their food, medical treatment and education.

If so, they mean it. If not, they are merely demanding that others pay and make room so that they can experience a self-righteous glow.

-- Peter Hitchens

Quote of the Day III

Berlin has said it expects to receive a record 800,000 asylum seekers this year, more than the entire EU combined in 2014, laying bare the scale of the biggest refugee crisis to face the continent since the second world war.

Moe Lane on the Word of the Day: V÷lkerwanderung

German word, obviously: V÷lkerwanderung more or less means 'folk migration.' Admittedly, Iron Age European history is a little outside of my patch, but I do seem to recall that the Roman Empire (and later, its successor states*) had to deal with lots of people moving to where there wasn't a war. Or at least to where the people moving could win a war.
refugeemigration.jpg

And while Germany and Sweden are welcoming up to 1-2 million refugees with official open-arms, other EU nations are not nearly so enamored with taking them in:

The Netherlands Crack Down on Asylum Seekers

While Germany opened up its doors to make it easier for those arriving at its borders and France criticised Hungary over its new 110-mile razor wire fence, the Dutch government was going in a different direction.

From November, any migrant who refused refugee status or humanitarian protection will be given less than a month before they are deported or told to fend for themselves.

As part of the measures, the government wants to shut down 30 regional "bed, bath and bread" centres where asylum seekers can find shelter, regardless of the status of their application.

Danish Police Stop Refugee March to Sweden

Denmark Starts Publishing Ads in Lebanese Newspapers Warning Asylum Seekers Away

Slovakia Declares That It Will Only Accept Christian Refugees

Hungary Builds 106 Mile Barbed Wire Fence, Threatens to Halt Rail Traffic to Stem Refugee Tide

Bookworm on the Mass Muslim Migration into Europe

Europe is also a reminder to be careful what you wish for, because you might get it. Europe wanted a Judenrein continent. Well, as matters now stand, their malevolent oral and financial attacks on Israel will have succeeded, once and for all, in driving the Jews out. But by empowering the Muslims, their tactics will also drive out the Europeans, whether by turning them into refugees, or through their slaughter, conversion, or enslavement.

But Bookworm, you sound so callous, so hard? What about the children?

What about them? They're pawns and pawns always get sacrificed.

As you know, when the world is upset, and most certainly when non-Judeo-Christian cultures are involved, the children always die. That's a dreadful reality.

And you've probably seen this picture of a Syrian child who drowned with his mother and sibling while trying to make it to Greece.

It's sad but remember that the proximate cause of his death was his parents' deliberate choice to take him on a sea journey in a flimsy boat. Their bad choices killed him - not Europe. And also pretty much everything you've heard about this story from the father is bullshit. They had a safe life in Turkey but decided that they really wanted to live better in Germany or Canada.

drowned toddler

CDR Salamander: The Waves Have Already Started

No, this is new. The migrants are coming in waves 100,000 strong, month by month to already crowded nations under economic stress and beset with welfare state largess.

These nations do not demand new arrivals assimilate, and in a large measure, the new arrivals don't want to. With modern communication and entertainment a satellite dish away, they don't have to break from the home language and culture they are bringing and keeping is the same culture of violence, sectarianism, corruption and dependence that caused the source country's dysfunction in the first place.

Their foreign and often hostile culture, if not checked to manageable numbers and smart policies, will overwhelm their target nations and inside half a century. Those nations as well will fail as their civil society fractures and loses its ability to function as designed for a nation and culture that no longer exists.

...The time for easy solutions is past. The last generation or two threw that opportunity away. Doing nothing is not an option because, eventually, this migration will shift to invasion in the mind of a plurality of each nation's citizens. When that happens, if good political leaders do not act, the people will turn to whatever leader promises actions. That rarely is the better outcome.

No nation is required to commit suicide, and leaders who desire to fundamentally transform their nations should not expect for their population to allow that change to be done against the will of the people - if indeed the people ever decide their national culture is worth defending anymore.

Why the Refugees Are Making a Beeline for Germany and Sweden

Under the rules that govern how Europe handles new arrivals, known as the Dublin Regulation, migrants can be sent back to the first E.U. nation they entered. Because its reception facilities are so bad, the rule does not apply to Greece. And some nations, including Sweden and Germany, have said they will waive the rules for Syrians.

There isn't a uniform benefits system, either, with nations such as Hungary offering little compared with Germany and Sweden. Acceptance rates also vary dramatically. Hungary, for instance, is granting asylum to only a fraction of 1 percent of applicants, according to UNHCR. Germany, meanwhile, has a nearly 40 percent acceptance rate - and almost 90 percent for Syrians.

Swedish Newspaper Outs Anti-Immigration Blogger

'Julia Caesar', an anonymous right-wing blogger who has blasted Swedish journalists for writing an "epoch of lies" about the benefits of immigration, is herself a former reporter for Sweden's biggest broadsheet, Dagens Nyheter, according to a Swedish tabloid.

...On Wednesday, Sweden's Expressen tabloid revealed that the blogger - who has also published three books - is herself a former journalist for Dagens Nyheter (DN), a Swedish newspaper. . . .

"It is clear that it is not an obvious decision to publish the name of somebody who wants to remain anonymous," wrote Expressen's Head of Culture and Deputy Managing Editor at Expressen, Karin Olsson as the newspaper exposed Barbro J÷berger as being behind the far-right blog.

"But given her great influence and role in alternative debates online, we have decided that her name should be made available so that we are able to have an open debate."

"It is reasonable that such an influential opinion maker should be made accountable," she said.

C'est reasonable pour encourager les autres.

Spengler on the The Price of Europe's Fecklessness

At this point the floodgates of European sympathy opened, and Germany declared that it would accept 800,000 fugitives, including many from the world's most brutal war zones. From a security standpoint it is foolhardy in the extreme: 250,000 people have died in Syria's civil war since 2011 because other people killed them, mostly with small arms or improvised explosives (such as the government's notorious "barrel bombs"). Such killing is a labor-intensive affair, and requires the participation of many thousands of killers. It is isn't only that ISIS (and other jihadists) are able to smuggle to Europe as many of their operatives as they care to, as ISIS itself purportedly boasts. The refugee population itself is flush with killers from both sides fleeing the war. The presence of small children does not obviate this; killers have families, too.

The Arab Gulf States accept very few Syrian refugees out of security concerns which are entirely legitimate. Thousands of Syrian migrants fought either with the Assad regime (allied to Iran, the nemesis of the Sunni Gulf States) or ISIS and al-Qaeda (which want to overthrow the Saudi monarchy).

The social pathologies that this brutal and brutalized population bring Europe will change Germany in a predictably nasty way. Even worse, the open door policy will attract an order of magnitude more such refugees, as the Interior Minister of the State of Bavaria, Joachim Herrmann, warned yesterday. To no avail: Germans have spent the past seventy years feeling badly about themselves and are determined to take this opportunity to feel good about themselves.

The refugees have given the Germans the sort of frisson of good feeling that one gets from adopting  a stray puppy. This one redemptive act, they seem to believe, compensates for the country's criminal behavior during the middle of the past century. It is one thing to take in one stray, however, and quite another to find a pack of hungry dogs baying at one's door. At that point one calls the dog-catcher.

Kevin D. Williamson on Labor Day: We Don't Need This Quasi-Canadian, Crypto-Communist Holiday

Supreme Court Takes Case Challenging Forced Paying of Public Sector Union Dues

Army Selects Rarely Used Charge For Bergdahl Court-martial

Military prosecutors have reached into a section of military law seldom used since World War II in the politically fraught case against Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the soldier held prisoner for years by the Taliban after leaving his post in Afghanistan. Observers wondered for months if Bergdahl would be charged with desertion after the deal brokered by the U.S. to bring him home. He was - but he was also charged with misbehavior before the enemy, a much rarer offense that carries a stiffer potential penalty in this case.

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Comments

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1 All the handwringing over the Muslim refugees, yet we do nothing for the Yazidi or Christians being enslaved and slaughtered.

Posted by: Lauren at September 07, 2015 11:15 PM (FVcCP)

2 My contract has a team in Europe. They work with not just US Army personnel but also our NATO allies. The European militaries are very interested in counter-IED training. Between the threat of the Russians, and the muslim immigrants, it's not surprising. I'm surprised that there haven't been more car bombs already.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at September 07, 2015 11:16 PM (fC9RO)

3 Here is the "News of the Week" compilation of the news.

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=9873

Posted by: The Political Hat at September 07, 2015 11:17 PM (0TXlm)

4 Hello, ONT

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 07, 2015 11:18 PM (hOm72)

5 Yay ont,wootbwootb

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at September 07, 2015 11:19 PM (vM+YG)

6 You doh-on't haa-ave to live like a refugee.

Posted by: Heinrich Petty at September 07, 2015 11:20 PM (Dwehj)

7 All right, we got Lauren and Hat and then a sausage fest.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 07, 2015 11:22 PM (hOm72)

8 Hola, amigoz en loz tuboz!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at September 07, 2015 11:22 PM (EzgxV)

9 Thanks for all of last night's content, Maet. Now to take a look at today's offerings.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 07, 2015 11:22 PM (gyKtp)

10 With a record 800,000 foreign invaders swelling and overwhelming all of its infrastructure om top of the pre-existing problems like Greece, it would only take the smallest adversarial nudge to send Germany spiraling into chaos.

Now will Putin curtail natural gas deliveries to Germany in February?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 07, 2015 11:22 PM (Sz+px)

11 I dunno, something tells me that all this mass migration of Muslims to northern Europe is not going to end well. There have already been protests in Germany because of the large number of Turkish immigrants there. It may actually come to the point that Europe may have to live by the sword or die by the sword.

Posted by: Old Blue at September 07, 2015 11:23 PM (9iR5/)

12
In early and out early!

G'night, all!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 07, 2015 11:24 PM (VLTL9)

13 Tom Petty Vid id sweet.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 07, 2015 11:24 PM (hOm72)

14 Our trains still run on time.

Posted by: Germany at September 07, 2015 11:24 PM (75uvI)

15 Have backpack, will migrate.

Invading with armies is so 20th Century.

Posted by: Positive Waves at September 07, 2015 11:25 PM (MQEz6)

16 "is"


Damn.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 07, 2015 11:25 PM (hOm72)

17 to Ace. Porta-potties will now be locked after 1am. You know why.-----

I came all the way from Mazomanie to have a good time and this what happens to me, famous last words uttered in a porta-potty

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at September 07, 2015 11:25 PM (vM+YG)

18 I am taking a shine to the cut of Slovakia's jib. Kinda hoping it's pro-Christianity isn't tinged with anti-Jewery.

Posted by: Emperor First-Rate Political Hack at September 07, 2015 11:25 PM (sJuWI)

19 I think it was Vic this morning who posted that the father of the little boy who drowned was a Turk, not Syrian. He went to Europe to get his teeth fixed.

Posted by: Bill R. at September 07, 2015 11:25 PM (jKUeC)

20 These nations do not demand new arrivals assimilate, and in a large measure, the new arrivals don't want to. With modern communication and entertainment a satellite dish away, they don't have to break from the home language and culture they are bringing and keeping is the same culture of violence, sectarianism, corruption and dependence that caused the source country's dysfunction in the first place.

Well, sure. Here in the U.S., we get the same sort of thing with Californicators showing up in droves in Oregon and, in the east, "Massholes" invading New Hampshire, fleeing from the high-tax, high-crime, high-unemployment hellholes they themselves created.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 07, 2015 11:26 PM (Cze+6)

21 It'd alright if you love me. It's alright if you don't.

Posted by: Heinrich Petty at September 07, 2015 11:26 PM (Dwehj)

22 I expect the Europeans to turn murderous before they are overwhelmed though it might be a close run thing, making it even worse.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 07, 2015 11:26 PM (rwI+c)

23 Sad pictures make bad law.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 07, 2015 11:26 PM (W5DcG)

24 Our trains still run on time.
Posted by: Germany at September 07, 2015 11:24 PM (75uvI)

***

I thought that was more of a Russian thing?

Evening ONT.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 07, 2015 11:26 PM (VynIP)

25 I get why peoples natural inclination is to try to close up borders, but the problems with borders are caused by the governments and politicians controlling them, they always rig the system for their benefit, the left to build a voter base and the right for cheap labor, and as long as pols and their governments are controlling the borders that's the way it will always be. The only solution is to actually let open the borders and let people go where they want, but that will never happen because of nationalism everywhere, so the pols win and they'll continue winning.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 07, 2015 11:26 PM (VviqM)

26 But by empowering the Muslims, their tactics will also drive out the Europeans, whether by turning them into refugees, or through their slaughter, conversion, or enslavement.

I think there's enough issues with the policy (i.e., the banlieues of France) to not have to resort to that.

Namely, the Iran deal. It's possible, just possible, that empowering Iran will make this refugee crisis look like a blip.

Posted by: AD at September 07, 2015 11:26 PM (s4wTA)

27 Sobering

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at September 07, 2015 11:28 PM (mvenn)

28 I thought that was more of a Russian thing?

Evening ONT.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 07, 2015 11:26 PM (VynIP)

Eyeties.

Posted by: Emperor First-Rate Political Hack at September 07, 2015 11:28 PM (sJuWI)

29 The only solution is to actually let open the borders and let people go where they want, but that will never happen because of nationalism everywhere

How is this better?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 07, 2015 11:28 PM (rwI+c)

30 I'm surprised that there haven't been more car bombs already.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at September 07, 2015 11:16 PM (fC9RO)

There aren't because the Europeans are constantly ceding internal territory to Muslims. This will just speed up the process. I figure the elites of Europe will either leave or convert once the Muslim population hits 25%.

It would be more interesting if it wasn't for the fact we are in the process of doing the same thing except with Hispanics. Although they are doing all they can to import more Muslims (Bush isn't blameless here either).

Bookworm is wrong on one point. Jews tend to promote multi-cultural societies in the mistaken belief it will keep them from being singled out. It's just not working out like they thought.

Posted by: WOPR at September 07, 2015 11:28 PM (nRvEn)

31 Wait until the Muslim immigrants demand an end to Oktoberfest out of respect for their faith...

Nicht gut ja?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 07, 2015 11:29 PM (Sz+px)

32 The only solution is to actually let open the borders and let people go where they want...

Dude. That's more or less what we have now.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 07, 2015 11:29 PM (Cze+6)

33 The only solution is to actually let open the
borders and let people go where they want, but that will never happen
because of nationalism everywhere, so the pols win and they'll continue
winning.
Posted by: All Teh Meh


That is a monumentally stupid statement. Did you have a lobotomy in the last week?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at September 07, 2015 11:29 PM (+1T7c)

34 27 Sobering
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at September 07, 2015 11:28 PM (mvenn)

Wanna (hic) bet?

Posted by: John Boehner, Leader of the Oompa Loompas at September 07, 2015 11:29 PM (sJuWI)

35 So how many Muzzie refugees has our commie pope taken into the Vatican?

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 07, 2015 11:30 PM (+lVUW)

36 Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 07, 2015 11:26 PM (VviqM)
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WTAF? You do realize of course, that a sovereign nation that cannot control its borders, and allows unlimited immigration with a generous welfare state will cease to be a sovereign nation in no time at all. It will degenerate into the same third world cesspool that those people left.

Posted by: Old Blue at September 07, 2015 11:30 PM (9iR5/)

37 governments are controlling the borders that's the way it will always be. The only solution is to actually let open the borders and let people go where they want, but that will never happen because of nationalism everywhere, so the pols win and they'll continue winning.-----


Wrong in so many instances

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at September 07, 2015 11:30 PM (vM+YG)

38 Does France have enough automobiles for the bigger car-b-que?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 07, 2015 11:30 PM (W5DcG)

39 Nerdygirl, how many refugees have Arab countries like Saudi Arabia taken in?

Zero.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 07, 2015 11:30 PM (Sz+px)

40 35 So how many Muzzie refugees has our commie pope taken into the Vatican?
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 07, 2015 11:30 PM (+lVUW)


According to one of the articles: 2

Posted by: Maetenloch at September 07, 2015 11:30 PM (wqVD1)

41 I'm sure there are lotsa bedrooms in the papal palace.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 07, 2015 11:30 PM (+lVUW)

42 I can't wait to read The Camp of the Saints.

Posted by: logprof at September 07, 2015 11:30 PM (vsbNu)

43 Positive Waves, what's your angle?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 07, 2015 11:31 PM (hOm72)

44 Speaking of the consquences of the invasion of Europe:

https://eurocivilwar2017.wordpress.com/

Sadly, it hasn't been updated since November of last year...

Posted by: The Invading Hat at September 07, 2015 11:31 PM (0TXlm)

45 Who needs car bombs when Paris is alight with actual burning cars?

Posted by: anon a mouse at September 07, 2015 11:31 PM (GA9gG)

46 Humans are made to love by proximity. You care most about those closest to you, genetically, physically and culturally, in expanding but fading circles. Any other imaginings are just we-are-the-world twattle.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 07, 2015 11:31 PM (rwI+c)

47 The only solution is to actually let open the borders and let people go where they want, but that will never happen because of nationalism everywhere, so the pols win and they'll continue winning.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 07, 2015 11:26 PM (VviqM)

Yeah, I mean who needs icky borders? Who needs a lock on their door? If you weren't rigging it against other people, there wouldn't be a problem and they could just move into a room in your house.

Posted by: WOPR at September 07, 2015 11:32 PM (nRvEn)

48 I think the Europeans are a bit unprepared to play a rousing game of Cowboys n' Muslims.

And harkening back to a previous thread, if I were in charge of governmental appointments, I'd make a shift in alignment in one key area.

The "Muslim Outreach" mission would be pulled from NASA, and re assigned to the Strategic Air Command.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 07, 2015 11:32 PM (McRlu)

49 Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 07, 2015 11:26 PM (VviqM)

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 07, 2015 11:32 PM (Cze+6)

50 Compromise cake is dorky. Seriously, comics are for kids.

Posted by: logprof at September 07, 2015 11:32 PM (vsbNu)

51 you don't have to live like a refugee

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 07, 2015 11:32 PM (0O7c5)

52 It's multicultural suicide.

Posted by: Heinrich Petty at September 07, 2015 11:32 PM (Dwehj)

53 Namely, the Iran deal. It's possible, just possible, that empowering Iran will make this refugee crisis look like a blip.


Posted by: AD

If a few nukes actually fly (and I think the first targets might be Sunni cities like Doha and Riyadh), then it will be a tidal wave of refugees.

The next wave will be when ISIS / Sunnis win in Syria, and then start to ethnically cleanse Syria of non-Sunni Muslims and other ethnics that were tolerated under Assad. What Muslims do best, kill each other.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at September 07, 2015 11:32 PM (+1T7c)

54 So, did the couple with that wedding cake go to comicon for their honeymoon?

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 07, 2015 11:33 PM (+lVUW)

55 The only solution is to actually let open the borders and let people go where they want, but that will never happen because of nationalism everywhere, so the pols win and they'll continue winning.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 07, 2015 11:26 PM (VviqM)

***

Another solution is to shut them down completely. Why not try something new? Our already wide open borders policy would seem to evidentially be a sub optimal solution.

What the hell, let's get a little crazy.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 07, 2015 11:33 PM (VynIP)

56 Am I the only one annoyed that with that cake, they combined Marvel and DC?

Posted by: TickledPink at September 07, 2015 11:33 PM (DbwiF)

57 "I'm sure there are lotsa bedrooms in the papal palace."


Not saying anything.


Pretty much agree. Just, ya know.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 07, 2015 11:33 PM (hOm72)

58 Oh, who cares about the various social-economic consequences of allowing all these "migrants" from the ME into Europe? Let's talk about more progressive things, like that one of the main characters in the SW novel SW: Aftermath is...*drumroll*...homosexual!

http://tinyurl.com/q58jhw6

Personally, I think this doesn't go far enough. The major civil rights issue of this year is the transgendered people - there needs to be a major human transgendered person who's going to hook up with an alien of the same biological sex as the human character. We cannot rest until SW gets with the times!

Posted by: Thrawn at September 07, 2015 11:33 PM (wZ2hu)

59 One thing I know; what governments won't do, angry people will.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 07, 2015 11:34 PM (rwI+c)

60 Zero.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 07, 2015 11:30 PM (Sz+px)

Because they aren't stupid. Should have forced the non-Christian Syrians to stay in the country and duke it out.

Posted by: WOPR at September 07, 2015 11:34 PM (nRvEn)

61 The hobos and stray cats always find a sucker.

Posted by: Positive Waves at September 07, 2015 11:34 PM (MQEz6)

62 Maet, this trailer might go well with your cake image. Japan, bringing another new definition to fan-service weirdness.

https://youtu.be/hkjQ7WetVJk

Taking the Chicks in chain-mail motif to a whole different level.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 07, 2015 11:34 PM (Sz+px)

63 So, did the couple with that wedding cake go to comicon for their honeymoon?

It was court-ordered.

Posted by: The Ghey Mafia at September 07, 2015 11:34 PM (Dwehj)

64 The father of the drowned biy was a Kurd.

Posted by: logprof at September 07, 2015 11:34 PM (vsbNu)

65 I have no problems with anyone who wanted out of Turkey but they risked their childrens lives by putting them in a dinghy which was not safe for any crossing.

Europe has been too accepting of islam and now they are stuck with this bs. In the Uk some dirt bag who joined ISIS and was killed by a drone, his family is up in arms and wants an investigation. Well, eff you!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 07, 2015 11:34 PM (iQIUe)

66 So much content, So little time.

Posted by: Wind Breaker at September 07, 2015 11:35 PM (/pOl7)

67 Was musing about a sane refugee policy, came up with something like this: everyone wanting asylum is placed in a refugee camp. Able-bodied men and women 15-50 are given 1 year of training and sent back with arms. Everyone else may only be granted asylum when their able-bodied win or die.

Posted by: cthulhu at September 07, 2015 11:37 PM (EzgxV)

68 Anybody want to take bets that the Euro-immigration issue will be taken up by the National Front and other assorted groups over the next few years?

Posted by: Thrawn at September 07, 2015 11:37 PM (wZ2hu)

69 Sobering
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at September 07, 2015 11:28 PM (mvenn)


not too much fortunately

Posted by: Hilarity! at September 07, 2015 11:37 PM (7RXcs)

70
You know what would help? If Angela Merkel gave a few interviews in Arabic. Make everybody feel all welcome like.

Posted by: !Jeb!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 07, 2015 11:37 PM (kdS6q)

71 56 Am I the only one annoyed that with that cake, they combined Marvel and DC?

Posted by: TickledPink at September 07, 2015 11:33 PM (DbwiF)


But its Batman.

Posted by: buzzion at September 07, 2015 11:37 PM (zt+N6)

72 " One thing I know; what governments won't do, angry people will."


Heh. We find ourselves. Talking.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 07, 2015 11:38 PM (hOm72)

73 The father of the drowned biy was a Kurd.
Posted by: logprof at September 07, 2015 11:34 PM (vsbNu)

He was trying to get to Germany to get his teeth worked on. He had lived in Turkey for at least three years. This isn't a refugee crisis. This is a "we can get great free stuff in Europe."

Posted by: WOPR at September 07, 2015 11:38 PM (nRvEn)

74 Taking in "refugees" does nothing to solve the root problem.

If it gets so bad that *something* must get done, then instead of importing their problem, we should export our solution:

Invade. Kill anyone who tries to stop us. Declare protectorate. Mandate the teaching and use of English. And since we'll be accused of that anyway, steal their oil.

Since we'll be called "imperial" and "colonizers" anyway, just might as well reap the benefits of the same.

Posted by: The Imperial Hat at September 07, 2015 11:39 PM (0TXlm)

75 This is a perfect time for the Central American trains to start running again now that our attention is focused on the European invaders.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 07, 2015 11:39 PM (W5DcG)

76 Alberta - Healy pics I mentioned last week.

I casually know the guy. Stopped by the hardware store, and there it was. The Prince of Darkness strikes when least expected. The guy that owns it is not a 'car guy', but likes the idea of occasionally driving about in a sports car. He has owned it for 15 years, but knows nothing about it, technically. Just drives it. The under hood condition is pretty bad. Neglect.

Note that it is the troublesome three carb model.

He had been in shopping, came and out the car would not start. There was a tinge of gasoline odor about, so I do not think the problem was fuel. He ran the battery down trying to crank it, thus the jumper cables. I tried to assist, but the guy is too ignorant to understand simple ignition electronics, and resisted (another pun!) my polite efforts. Last thing I heard him say was, "I'm calling a tow truck".
http://tinyurl.com/onuhf4x
http://tinyurl.com/osymtjm
http://tinyurl.com/nqm99uq
http://tinyurl.com/od79pmd

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 07, 2015 11:40 PM (9mTYi)

77 John Kerry should host a concert with Cat Stevens....errr....Yusuf Islam. Have Caitlyn! there, and maybe Taylor Swift! that's the ticket

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at September 07, 2015 11:40 PM (7RXcs)

78 Poor Bowe Bergdahl.... NOT.

The President will forget you. Why? To save you means he has to go on the record defending someone accused of desertion. That is very bad optics for this risk-adverse President. Just ask the four dead from Benghazi.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 07, 2015 11:40 PM (Sz+px)

79 I can't wait to read The Camp of the Saints.
Posted by: logprof at September 07, 2015 11:30 PM (vsbNu)

Why read it when you can experience it first hand.

Posted by: WOPR at September 07, 2015 11:40 PM (nRvEn)

80 And I get no answers.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 07, 2015 11:40 PM (hOm72)

81 "How is this better?"

Most illegals who come here send the majority of their earnings back to their families in their original country, that's how they work cheap and get hired over American workers. Let them come here with their families and compete with American workers honestly and let Americans go to other countries and do the same, but as you can see by other relies in this thread, that won't happen, pols don't want it, the corporatists who benefit from the cheap labor and line the pols pockets don't want it, and people who have the natural sense of nationalism don't want it, so this is how it will always be and you'll hear the same complaints 50 years from now about how we need to close the border.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (VviqM)

82 War looms.

Posted by: Positive Waves at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (MQEz6)

83 Posted by: OregonMuse at September 07, 2015 11:26 PM (Cze+6),

The best thing about Michigan winters is that people from Southern California don't have much desire to move here. Which is good because we already have too damn many democrats.

Our democrats are different from theirs, because many of ours are pro-gun rights. They're not too bright though. When Obama told them in the '08 election that he wouldn't try to take their guns, the dumbasses bought it.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (+lVUW)

84 Fuck that POS.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (zyIlW)

85 73 The father of the drowned biy was a Kurd.
Posted by: logprof at September 07, 2015 11:34 PM (vsbNu)

He was trying to get to Germany to get his teeth worked on. He had lived in Turkey for at least three years. This isn't a refugee crisis. This is a "we can get great free stuff in Europe."

Posted by: WOPR at September 07, 2015 11:38 PM (nRvEn)

--Yes, and Kurds are far more culturally compatible in Turkey, with hundreds of thousands of other Kurds, than in Europe.

Posted by: logprof at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (vsbNu)

86 "And they sailed now with power and armoury to Middle-earth, and they came no longer as bringers of gifts, nor even as rulers, but as fierce men of war. And they hunted the men of Middle-earth and took their goods and enslaved them.."

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (rwI+c)

87 btw, here's Mark Steyn's current take on the immigration wave hitting Europe.

Spoilers - he isn't saying anything new, only putting more fresh statistics on his train of logic.

http://tinyurl.com/onsague

Posted by: Thrawn at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (wZ2hu)

88
You know what Merkel ought to do? Head to the border with a truckload of welcome teddybears.

Posted by: Ted LCF Cruz

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (kdS6q)

89 If I never heard the term transgender again I'd consider it a great benefit.

No such thing as transgender--it's a fiction. People claiming to be such are simply males/females with emotional issues.

But biology is immutable.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (jeCnD)

90 Anybody want to take bets that the Euro-immigration
issue will be taken up by the National Front and other assorted groups
over the next few years?

Posted by: Thrawn

It's a generation too late. It's too late to get people politically aroused, because governments are bent on ORDER, and you can bet security services in the various countries are ready to smack down this sort of thing. The state-led media already villainizes such "racist nationalists".

I would also guess that in the next few years, there will be major emmigration of normal folks from Europe to Canada, the US,Argentina Brazil and Chile. Who knows, it might be a good thing for Argentina.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at September 07, 2015 11:42 PM (+1T7c)

91 SMFH, something I wrote awhile back. It's in The Princess Who Caused Fear.

http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2006/01/feeling-of-dread.html

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 07, 2015 11:43 PM (Sz+px)

92 SMFH, do you know where Marble Falls, TX, is? I heard that there was a horrible attack on a HS football official by players at the high school (John Jay) there.

Posted by: logprof at September 07, 2015 11:43 PM (vsbNu)

93 Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (VviqM) Smite posts from (VviqM)

The only appropriate response to this is a hearty fuck you and the horse you crossed the border on as you are no countryman of mine.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 07, 2015 11:43 PM (rwI+c)

94 The Conservative Treehouse is also running a few articles on the 'refugees'; images of ISIS fighters now clean shaven, descriptions of rioting, vandalism, being generally dicks etc.

And as a reminder of where the word vandal comes from:

The Vandals were an East Germanic tribe, or group of tribes, who were first heard of in southern Poland, but later moved around Europe establishing kingdoms in Spain and later North Africa in the 5th century.

Oh and South America is falling apart too -- Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela are all pretty sickly. Mexico isn't far behind. It's gonna get sporty, folks.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 07, 2015 11:43 PM (gyKtp)

95 Okay, big flamer.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 07, 2015 11:44 PM (hOm72)

96 I came all the way from Mazomanie to have a good time and this what happens to me, famous last words uttered in a porta-potty
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at September 07, 2015 11:25 PM (vM+YG)

The hell you doin' in Mazo? Hanging at the naked homo beach?

Holy hell, I lived there for a year. Glad to be outta there.

Posted by: tcn in AK at September 07, 2015 11:44 PM (+YMhA)

97 Posted by: The Imperial Hat at September 07, 2015 11:39 PM (0TXlm)

I'll one up it. We send our illegals to the Middle East to colonize it. We'll arm them once they are there. They can have the oil and if they capture Mecca or Medina they get extra points.

Posted by: WOPR at September 07, 2015 11:44 PM (nRvEn)

98 Thanks Anna

*goes to read*

Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 07, 2015 11:44 PM (zyIlW)

99 Most illegals who come here send the majority of their earnings back to their families in their original country, that's how they work cheap and get hired over American workers. Let them come here with their families and compete with American workers honestly and let Americans go to other countries and do the same, but as you can see by other relies in this thread, that won't happen, pols don't want it, the corporatists who benefit from the cheap labor and line the pols pockets don't want it, and people who have the natural sense of nationalism don't want it, so this is how it will always be and you'll hear the same complaints 50 years from now about how we need to close the border.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (VviqM)


The flaw in your utopian vision is that it turns out that peoples and cultures are not actually fungible.

Posted by: Maetenloch at September 07, 2015 11:44 PM (wqVD1)

100 The Peter Hitchens article is an excellent read.

Welcome to frequent terrorist attacks, Europe. You just invited the barbarians in with gifts and fanfare just like us.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 07, 2015 11:45 PM (2x3L+)

101 SMFH going off.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 07, 2015 11:45 PM (hOm72)

102 89 If I never heard the term transgender again I'd consider it a great benefit.

No such thing as transgender--it's a fiction. People claiming to be such are simply males/females with emotional issues.

But biology is immutable.
Posted by: irongrampa at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (jeCnD)

Listen up, you cis-het-white sh*tlord.

I feel like I'm a transgendered wolf-kin and how dare you tell me otherwise!

Now excuse me while I beg my uber-conservative parents for money to get my balls chopped off and get a stupid wolf tail and fangs.

Posted by: Tumblr SWJ at September 07, 2015 11:45 PM (wZ2hu)

103 Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (VviqM)

Lord.

One World crap.

Posted by: Positive Waves at September 07, 2015 11:45 PM (MQEz6)

104
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at September 07, 2015 11:32 PM (+1T7c)

Their CofC staid the excelled in goat relations as well

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at September 07, 2015 11:45 PM (vM+YG)

105 Well, it looks like the Muslims are about to take over Europe. Which means that fairly soon, the Europeans themselves will have to flee and become refugees from their own countries.

But where will they go? Where is left?

Why -- the good ol' USA, of course.

But should we take them ALL in? No. Let's not repeat the foolish mistake the Europeans just made. Let's be selective and only allow in those whom we want.

To that end, I suggest these be the priority categories for admitting European refugees in the coming years and decades:

-- Italian women between the ages of 18 and 32, and under 135 pounds;

-- German engineers;

-- British actors;

-- Portuguese soccer players;

-- long-legged Ukrainian picture brides;

-- Swiss bankers;

-- and absolutely no Frenchmen.

Any other suggestions for the Immigration Act of 2018?

Posted by: zombie at September 07, 2015 11:45 PM (jBuUi)

106 logprof,

I read that story this morning. Hope they get the book thrown at them.

Marble Falls is about 50 miles SW of Austin.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 07, 2015 11:46 PM (zyIlW)

107 my bad, NW.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 07, 2015 11:46 PM (zyIlW)

108 Lord.

One World crap.

Posted by: Positive Waves at September 07, 2015 11:45 PM (MQEz6)

Excellent, *rubs hands in anticipation.*

Posted by: Nicolae Carpathia at September 07, 2015 11:46 PM (wZ2hu)

109 I can't even imagine the mentality that doesn't want to advance their country, even unfairly.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 07, 2015 11:46 PM (rwI+c)

110 War looms.

Posted by: Positive Waves at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (MQEz6)


which one? Europe & Russia? Middle East? Civil War right here at home? all of the above?

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at September 07, 2015 11:47 PM (7RXcs)

111 Any other suggestions for the Immigration Act of 2018?
Posted by: zombie at September 07, 2015 11:45 PM (jBuUi)

Dibs on the Czech ladies.

Posted by: Maetenloch at September 07, 2015 11:47 PM (wqVD1)

112 At Weyland-Yutani, we believe the immigration problem can be solved out there. In space. Where no one can hear you scream.

Posted by: Weyland-Yutani Corp "Building Better Worlds" at September 07, 2015 11:47 PM (JO9+V)

113 Zombie, let in the Czechs. They have fabulous baked goods.

Posted by: Lauren at September 07, 2015 11:47 PM (FVcCP)

114 The pump don't work because we took the frickin handle.

Posted by: The Vandals at September 07, 2015 11:47 PM (75uvI)

115 Zombie, let in the Czechs. They have fabulous baked goods.

And they invented good beer.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 07, 2015 11:47 PM (rwI+c)

116 Belgian beer-brewing abbots...

Posted by: The Trippel Hat at September 07, 2015 11:47 PM (0TXlm)

117 I think Bookworm might want to do a little research into who some of the biggest advocates for mass immigration into Europe are.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at September 07, 2015 11:48 PM (nFdGS)

118 Don't encourage the idiot.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 07, 2015 11:48 PM (hOm72)

119 Labor Day ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/640948537258184704

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/640948920114278400

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/640949115212328960

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/640949332171100160

Posted by: kbdabear at September 07, 2015 11:48 PM (GrXXa)

120 "The flaw in your utopian vision is that it turns out that peoples and cultures are not actually fungible."

It's not utopian because you're right, but it's certainly better than continuing to allow politicians to benefit from a corrupt system while most workers are hurt.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 07, 2015 11:48 PM (VviqM)

121 Any other suggestions for the Immigration Act of 2018?


Posted by: zombie at September 07, 2015 11:45 PM (jBuUi)


Buxom Polish butter churners between the ages of 16 and 25.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 07, 2015 11:49 PM (JO9+V)

122 Czechs. Baked goods, hot women, and Daniel Vavra

Posted by: Lauren at September 07, 2015 11:49 PM (FVcCP)

123 It's not utopian because you're right, but it's certainly better than continuing to allow politicians to benefit from a corrupt system while most workers are hurt.

By fucking other workers? Or are they the unworthy ones?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 07, 2015 11:49 PM (rwI+c)

124 " The pump don't work because we took the frickin handle.
Posted by: The Vandals"


Bastards. Everytime.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 07, 2015 11:49 PM (hOm72)

125 More Labor Day ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/640949501604171776

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/640949665609879552

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/640949818207141888

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/640949954878423040

Posted by: kbdabear at September 07, 2015 11:49 PM (GrXXa)

126 Dibs on the Czech ladies.

***


Whoa there partner. Better Czech your privilege.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at September 07, 2015 11:49 PM (mvenn)

127 The Conservative Treehouse is also running a few articles on the 'refugees'; images of ISIS fighters now clean shaven, descriptions of rioting, vandalism, being generally dicks etc.

****

Yep. They are infiltrating Combat units.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 07, 2015 11:50 PM (VynIP)

128 Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (VviqM)

Once again, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard (aside from your first comment on this thread, of course. That one adds a whole new dimension to the word 'horseshit'). At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Again.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 07, 2015 11:50 PM (Cze+6)

129 Outworld colonies... how did that work out in Kratman's universe? Or the CoDominium? Not well. Or another universe where Earth, in an attempt to reduce its population, tried to dump excess population on unwilling colony worlds got their wish the hard way when war came to Earth and denuded it of most humans.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 07, 2015 11:50 PM (Sz+px)

130 Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (VviqM) Smite posts from (VviqM)

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Jebbie, is that you?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 07, 2015 11:50 PM (75uvI)

131 which one? Europe & Russia? Middle East? Civil War right here at home? all of the above?
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at September 07, 2015 11:47 PM (7RXcs)

You'll need to get them in order.

The disastrous turn-out of the 9-Dash-Line War, which pretty much forfeited most if not all American influence in the S. China Sea, will initiate the 2nd American Civil War.

Meanwhile, seeing America at her weakest point since the 1800s will cause Putin to speed up his plans in forming his "New Russia". Regardless of who wins the resulting Iran-Israel dust-up, Europe will continue to speed into the Islamic Caliphate void.

Posted by: Thrawn at September 07, 2015 11:50 PM (wZ2hu)

132 105 Any other suggestions for the Immigration Act of 2018?

Chefs. Lots and lots of chefs.

Posted by: Splunge at September 07, 2015 11:50 PM (iMxBJ)

133 Oh and South America is falling apart too -- Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela are all pretty sickly. Mexico isn't far behind. It's gonna get sporty, folks.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 07, 2015 11:43 PM (gyKtp)

Thank goodness all these international socialists are around to promote stabiity.

Posted by: John Boehner, Leader of the Oompa Loompas at September 07, 2015 11:51 PM (sJuWI)

134 You morons are gonna need beer servers?

Posted by: Dyrndl-clad German College girls applying for asylum at September 07, 2015 11:51 PM (DhpXG)

135 Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (VviqM) Smite posts from (VviqM)

The only appropriate response to this is a hearty fuck you and the horse you crossed the border on as you are no countryman of mine.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 07, 2015 11:43 PM (rwI+c)

I'm trying to determine which drug he is taking because it obviously has sent reality far away from him.

Their families are already here, collecting benefits via your tax money. I know it is shocking but people who break immigration law will break other laws. And it you let them in legally, they will still break the law.

Posted by: WOPR at September 07, 2015 11:51 PM (nRvEn)

136 The USA can let the Slovaks to the front of the line, although they may actually get to hold on to their country.

Posted by: logprof at September 07, 2015 11:51 PM (vsbNu)

137 I guess I'm one of the Supernationalist that are screwing things up. I care more about the lowliest American on EBT than I do for the entire nation of Mexico.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 07, 2015 11:51 PM (rwI+c)

138
" The pump don't work because we took the frickin handle.

Posted by: The Vandals"
>>>

The pump wouldn't work anyways because we stopped the water.

Posted by: EPA at September 07, 2015 11:52 PM (HhwmG)

139 You have all these germans pretending that the muzzies are joos and it is 1933. You have all these middle aged white chicks who think every black thug is MLK. It's ridiculous...

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 07, 2015 11:52 PM (iQIUe)

140 Workers of the proletariat unite and rise up against those who oppress you...

Am I hearing that in some poster's statements tonight?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 07, 2015 11:52 PM (Sz+px)

141 And I leave now with something funny I have read in a couple of locations this long Labor Day Weekend:

Fool me once, shame on you

Fool me twice, I'm a Democrat!

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at September 07, 2015 11:53 PM (+1T7c)

142 Great song choice accompaniment, M. I kept thinking while
I was reading the first half, "He should close with Tom Petty."

And you did

Posted by: L, Elle at September 07, 2015 11:53 PM (2x3L+)

143 all tu-mor, honey,

Most illegals that come here both send home money AND get benefits. A lot of them live better on the benefits than they could with just wages in their home countries.
A lot of them are skirting the law, so they also don't report under the table work, and such caring things such as work under multiple false SSN that allow the under reporting of wages to qualify for benies.

We cannot have open borders and a welfare state. These illegal workers come to the US and not only is their employment subsidized by legal workers and businesses TO A GREATER AMOUNT than what the illegal workers contribute, the legal workers are experiencing wage suppression in the face of illegal workers undercutting by accepting less wages.

In fact THOSE HORRIBLE CORPORATIONS are not only being subsidized by YOUR TAX MONEY to CHEAT ILLEGALS with lower wages, their use and preference for CHEAP THIRD WORLD LABOR makes legal workers PAY HIGHER TAXES to subsidize CHEAP LABOR to steal their jobs.

So, you should be happy and feel all fuzzy inside because you are making a difference.

Happy.

Happy.

Socialist happy.

Want some Cake?

Posted by: Kindltot at September 07, 2015 11:53 PM (3pRHP)

144 Link in sig to cute girl AND baked goods

Posted by: Lauren at September 07, 2015 11:53 PM (FVcCP)

145 "You morons are gonna need beer servers?"


Oh, thank you. That as right kindly.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 07, 2015 11:53 PM (hOm72)

146 Posted by: Dyrndl-clad German College girls applying for asylum at September 07, 2015 11:51 PM (DhpXG)

*You may enter*
*You may enter*

Not so fast, there, "Caitlyn."

Posted by: Splunge at September 07, 2015 11:53 PM (iMxBJ)

147 From whence came "The Man Cold", comes "The Wedding Cake":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gimiDBAK2wA

Posted by: TJ Camper at September 07, 2015 11:53 PM (v5oV6)

148 Time for the old folk. Too full of BBQ and beer to stay up.


Never forget, we're Americans, so the head is held HIGH.

Goodnite, good people. Stay safe.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 07, 2015 11:54 PM (jeCnD)

149 134 You morons are gonna need beer servers?

-------

Pro Tip: Don't wipe it with a rag.

Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at September 07, 2015 11:54 PM (75uvI)

150 I guess I'm one of the Supernationalist that are screwing things up. I care more about the lowliest American on EBT than I do for the entire nation of Mexico.
Posted by: Grump
----------------------------

That.
It must be.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 07, 2015 11:54 PM (9mTYi)

151

The hell you doin' in Mazo? Hanging at the naked homo beach?

Holy hell, I lived there for a year. Glad to be outta there.
Posted by: tcn in AK at September 07, 2015 11:44 PM

Funny campfire story from my best friends sister, I giggle every time I think of itb

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at September 07, 2015 11:55 PM (vM+YG)

152 And Swedish au pair girls.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 07, 2015 11:55 PM (JO9+V)

153 Link in sig to cute girl AND baked goods

Is that a selfie?

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 07, 2015 11:55 PM (Cze+6)

154 Good night Irongrampa.

Guess I should meander off to do some more writing. Please buy Golden Isis via the AoS Amazon store link. We need to keep the Ewok afloat in Val-u-Rite.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 07, 2015 11:55 PM (Sz+px)

155 Well, this ONT is depressing as hell.

Posted by: rickl at September 07, 2015 11:56 PM (sdi6R)

156 How about men that like chunky girls, because ya know....we need love too. And, not from Mexico.

We might import some of those folks.

Posted by: TickledPink at September 07, 2015 11:56 PM (DbwiF)

157 Never forget, we're Americans, so the head is held HIGH.

Goodnite, good people. Stay safe.
Posted by: irongrampa at September 07, 2015 11:54 PM (jeCnD)

***

Night and thanks, IG.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 07, 2015 11:56 PM (VynIP)

158 *ponders Portuguese bottle-cork makers*

I might allow a few in.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 07, 2015 11:57 PM (9mTYi)

159 "Is that a selfie"

Hahaha no. That's Miss Westfest. Another reason to come to Texas.

Posted by: Lauren at September 07, 2015 11:57 PM (FVcCP)

160 Screw the Chinese, we are the true Middle Kingdom, between Heaven above and the Earth below.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 07, 2015 11:58 PM (rwI+c)

161 There is a book over on the Baen website (it was free) by some guy who had Europe run by Muslims, the US was in control of all of North and South America after it had five cities nuked by terrorists, and the US was a quasi-dictatorship. The one thing he posited was that the US was not letting in any European refugees who were leftists. You marched in an anti-war rally, sorry and say hi to your new Muslim overlords.

Posted by: ` at September 07, 2015 11:58 PM (nRvEn)

162 "5 Well, this ONT is depressing as hell."

How so. I thought it peaecful and uplifting.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 07, 2015 11:58 PM (hOm72)

163

Happy.

Happy.

Socialist happy.

Want some Cake?
Posted by: Kindltot at September 07, 2015 11:53 PM (3pRHP)

Pie. Blueberry pie..

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at September 07, 2015 11:58 PM (vM+YG)

164 !

Posted by: Marcel Marceau at September 07, 2015 11:58 PM (75uvI)

165 Intoxicating

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at September 07, 2015 11:59 PM (mvenn)

166 *ponders Portuguese bottle-cork makers*

I might allow a few in.
Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 07, 2015 11:57 PM (9mTYi)

***

Some of those Cork Soakers may merit further consideration.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 07, 2015 11:59 PM (VynIP)

167 Want some Cake?

Posted by: Kindltot at September 07, 2015 11:53 PM (3pRHP)


The cake is a lie.
The cake is a lie.
The cake is a lie.
The cake is a lie.

Posted by: Doug Rattmann at September 07, 2015 11:59 PM (0TXlm)

168 Want some mindless WTF, go watch the video in my post #62. Series is called Bikini Warriors.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 08, 2015 12:00 AM (Sz+px)

169 Posted by: Kindltot at September 07, 2015 11:53 PM (3pRHP)

Exactly, which is why they should be allowed to come here and compete honestly, and Americans allowed to do the same in other countries, and yeah, get rid of the welfare state regardless, also, some cake would be great, thanks.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 08, 2015 12:00 AM (VviqM)

170 "screw the Chinese,"


I like Chinsese food. A little lo mein.......

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 08, 2015 12:00 AM (hOm72)

171 You don't have any children, do you?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2015 12:01 AM (rwI+c)

172 Merkel seemed smarter and more nationalistic than this.

Now the Pope, that commie b*stard is scarin' the bejeebus outa me, noamean?

Posted by: eureka! at September 08, 2015 12:01 AM (g1MTt)

173 I know the thread is taking a glance at the migration into Europe. But, if you think that knucklehead in the White House isn't burning candles thinking up a way to have that "invasion" centered here, you haven't been paying attention these last seven years.

This is an Obama dream. It sticks it to every conservative in the US, and fills the Democratic voting rolls...degrades the traditional USA...and creates an ongoing series of crisis which is the backbone of new lawmaking to the Democratic party.

We're going to get hammered by new Syrian refugees...and it's going to be done as covertly as possible.

Posted by: OrsonSnow at September 08, 2015 12:02 AM (oV8Ug)

174 Posted by: Marcel Marceau

***


I've always wondered the correct pronunciation of your name. Is the 'm' silent?

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at September 08, 2015 12:02 AM (mvenn)

175 161 There is a book over on the Baen website (it was free) by some guy who had Europe run by Muslims, the US was in control of all of North and South America after it had five cities nuked by terrorists, and the US was a quasi-dictatorship. The one thing he posited was that the US was not letting in any European refugees who were leftists. You marched in an anti-war rally, sorry and say hi to your new Muslim overlords.


Tom Krautman's Caliphate

Posted by: Fox2! at September 08, 2015 12:02 AM (brIR5)

176 There is a book over on the Baen website (it was free) by some guy who had Europe run by Muslims, the US was in control of all of North and South America after it had five cities nuked by terrorists, and the US was a quasi-dictatorship. The one thing he posited was that the US was not letting in any European refugees who were leftists. You marched in an anti-war rally, sorry and say hi to your new Muslim overlords.

Posted by: ` at September 07, 2015 11:58 PM (nRvEn)


Title or author?

Posted by: The Reading Hat at September 08, 2015 12:02 AM (0TXlm)

177 And young, pretty, female Cuban virgins. So that Havana cigars can be hand-rolled between their thighs.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 08, 2015 12:02 AM (JO9+V)

178 I detest politicians and journalists. That is all.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at September 08, 2015 12:02 AM (WlQGZ)

179
You know how they were chopping everyone's head off in merry old England? Occasionally you would hear of mishaps but I think it was rare that it wasnt a bloody awful painful mess. I base this on watching a couple of these cartel murders by axe. It takes a lot of whacks to separate your head. And having your head on a block did not make it easier. I saw that in a documentary where they said the best way was for the condemned to lay flat which rarely happened.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 08, 2015 12:02 AM (iQIUe)

180 If it were up to me, I would have a complete immigration hiatus for the next 30 years. Specific people that we want and need would be admitted by individual Act of Congress.

Country's full. Moose out from should have told ya.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2015 12:03 AM (rwI+c)

181 al-tu-mor, nothing gets by you does it. Your reflexes are far too fast.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 08, 2015 12:03 AM (3pRHP)

182 Exactly, which is why they should be allowed to come here and compete honestly, and Americans allowed to do the same in other countries, and yeah, get rid of the welfare state regardless, also, some cake would be great, thanks.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 08, 2015 12:00 AM (VviqM)

*****

The honest competition ain't ever gonna happen, Jeb and the COC, and the sad part is that you know it. The really sad part is that you just don't care.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 12:04 AM (VynIP)

183 All right, gotta go bed. Hasta.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 08, 2015 12:04 AM (hOm72)

184 Zombie, let in the Czechs. They have fabulous baked goods.

And they invented good beer.
Posted by: Grump928(C)


They are welcome to join the Czechs in Texas. Good folks. Fine handguns.

Posted by: Daybrother Now in Sterile Packaging at September 08, 2015 12:04 AM (GEK1I)

185 40 35 So how many Muzzie refugees has our commie pope taken into the Vatican?
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 07, 2015 11:30 PM (+lVUW)

According to one of the articles: 2
Posted by: Maetenloch at September 07, 2015 11:30 PM (wqVD1)


Good. That means he'll have plenty of room left, so he can take some of our illegal aliens back with him.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 08, 2015 12:04 AM (+lVUW)

186 144 Link in sig to cute girl AND baked goods

Lauren, very disappointing. I was expecting Cake Girl.

http://tinyurl.com/nq56qah

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 08, 2015 12:05 AM (gyKtp)

187 Night RK.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 08, 2015 12:05 AM (9mTYi)

188 Nite Riccardo

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at September 08, 2015 12:06 AM (sYdRN)

189 We're going to get hammered by new Syrian refugees...and it's going to be done as covertly as possible.
Posted by: OrsonSnow at September 08, 2015 12:02 AM (oV8Ug)

--"Refugees" are already handles on the down-low, with federally-subsidized "refugee" agencies swooping into small (surprisingly, mostly white) cities and towns to sweet-talk local officials, priming them on how awesome the feneral cheddah will be in exchange for taking in useless grown-ups and minor students who do not speak English.

It's a disgusting, anti-American racket, and all the big churches are in on it.

Posted by: logprof at September 08, 2015 12:07 AM (vsbNu)

190
The real solution of course is to make no benefits. That ends almost all migration right there. But the children you say? I say the children won't be coming without benefits either.

The place to change the policies is in their countries, they should stay there and fight for them.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 08, 2015 12:07 AM (ODxAs)

191 Howdy, beloved Horde!

Just checking in before hitting the pillow.

Posted by: Emmie (formerly Mindy) at September 08, 2015 12:07 AM (qSQG+)

192 "...and let Americans go to other countries and do the same.."
Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (VviqM)


Yes, I can't wait to move to Guadalajara and take that non-existent job waiting for me since Juan the gardener moved to El Norte.

Oh wait, I don't speak Spanish or desire to take a 80% cut in earnings. Guess I'll have to think of another plan.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 08, 2015 12:08 AM (laMCB)

193 Note, Germany has a 61,000 person army...

They are about to let in 800,000 'refugees' most of whom are fit, young to middle aged men (who are going to get jobs and then 'send for their families')...

If even 10% of them were Islamists, they would outnumber the entire German army.

I believe this goes under the category of, not smart.

Posted by: BB Wolf at September 08, 2015 12:08 AM (qh617)

194 The real solution of course is to make no benefits. That ends almost all migration right there.

I disagree. For huge chunks of the Earth's population, simply being able to sleep at night without worrying about starving or being murdered the next day is a huge benefit.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2015 12:09 AM (rwI+c)

195 Any other suggestions for the Immigration Act of 2018?

Redheads of the Irish, Scots or Scandavian XX persuasion

Posted by: Fox2! at September 08, 2015 12:10 AM (brIR5)

196 Bruce, that was the purpose of the guillotine.

Supposedly the Turkish way to behead a kneeling prisoner was to stab them in a kidney first so they would arch the neck back and both channel the blow and make sure the jawbone was out of the line of the stroke, but I suspect the normal stance for the victim is huddled down with the jaw tucked - that is a stance that will reflect some of the blow.

God I know some grim things.

Wanna talk "Colombian neck-ties next"?

Posted by: Kindltot at September 08, 2015 12:10 AM (3pRHP)

197 Amazing...growing up in northern Fl. in the mid seventies, I never realized there was a 'Tom Petty' and the "Heartbreakers", If I recall correctly it was 'Mike Campbell' and the "Heartbreakers" and some snivelling little garbage truck driving douchebag with a nasal passage annoying voice named 'Tom Petty'...

Posted by: Thurston Howell Trump at September 08, 2015 12:10 AM (ELFjX)

198 And No Irish!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2015 12:10 AM (rwI+c)

199 and yeah, get rid of the welfare state regardless,

Do that first and then get back to me.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 08, 2015 12:10 AM (W5DcG)

200 They are about to let in 800,000 'refugees' most of whom are fit, young to middle aged men (who are going to get jobs and then 'send for their families')...
Posted by: BB Wolf

Get jobs!? LOLing @ the infidel!

Posted by: Achmed al Goatfucker at September 08, 2015 12:10 AM (awspb)

201 I believe this goes under the category of, not smart.
Posted by: BB Wolf at September 08, 2015 12:08 AM (qh617)



But, the children.

Posted by: Der Spiegel at September 08, 2015 12:11 AM (laMCB)

202 ...priming them on how awesome the feneral cheddah will be in exchange for taking in useless grown-ups and minor students who do not speak English.

Or have any intention of learning English. Or assimilating. Or finding any sort of work with which to support themselves.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 08, 2015 12:11 AM (Cze+6)

203 According to one of the articles: 2
Posted by: Maetenloch at September 07, 2015 11:30 PM (wqVD1)


I believe the Holy See is taking in 2 families. The popester asked all dioceses (I may have spelled that wrong) to take in a family or two.

Posted by: Daybrother Now in Sterile Packaging at September 08, 2015 12:11 AM (GEK1I)

204 No, I don't think it's set up too close to the cliff edge, dumb-ass.

Posted by: famous last words uttered in a porta-potty at September 08, 2015 12:12 AM (7eC3Q)

205 They are welcome to join the Czechs in Texas. Good folks. Fine handguns.

Posted by: Daybrother Now in Sterile Packaging at September 08, 2015 12:04 AM (GEK1I)


All my Czeches live in Texas.

Posted by: George Strait, Pilsner Fan at September 08, 2015 12:12 AM (yxw0r)

206 They are about to let in 800,000 'refugees' most of whom are fit, young to middle aged men (who are going to get jobs and then 'send for their families')...

If even 10% of them were Islamists, they would outnumber the entire German army.

I believe this goes under the category of, not smart.
Posted by: BB Wolf at September 08, 2015 12:08 AM (qh617)

*****

I would go a little further and say that this proves that they are certifiably insane, but I have not seen what our Douche in Chief has up his sleeve for us in this regard yet.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 12:12 AM (VynIP)

207 Ah yes. Syrian women refugees. Wearing the hijabs that Americans won't wear.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at September 08, 2015 12:12 AM (mvenn)

208 Exactly, which is why they should be allowed to come here and compete honestly, and Americans allowed to do the same in other countries, and yeah, get rid of the welfare state regardless, also, some cake would be great, thanks.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 08, 2015 12:00 AM (VviqM)


Yes, let them come and take our jobs, for WAY less in pay...

Let them take over entire companies payrolls (there are IT shops where you will not get a job unless you speak a foreign language, in AMERICA)...

Let them come and get all the benefits that I, and my forefathers built... bankrupting the country... and not pay their F'n dues to this nation...

Question... do you really think they will be LOYAL to this country? Like I, my Father, my Grandfather, and my Son have been (I can go back more generations if you want.... all the way back to Valley Forge... but we fought for the French in the French Indian War... soooo...)...

Posted by: BB Wolf at September 08, 2015 12:13 AM (qh617)

209 Imagine there's no borders. It's easy if you try.

Posted by: Zombie John Lennon at September 08, 2015 12:13 AM (W5DcG)

210 WTF?

"Slave Tetris"

NSFW: http://preview.tinyurl.com/puzfezp

Posted by: The Shocked Hat at September 08, 2015 12:13 AM (0TXlm)

211 Europe has been too accepting of islam and now they are stuck with this bs. In the Uk some dirt bag who joined ISIS and was killed by a drone, his family is up in arms and wants an investigation. Well, eff you!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 07, 2015 11:34 PM (iQIUe)


Actually I agree. Investigate why the parents didn't raise their little scumbag to be something other than a terrorist.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 08, 2015 12:14 AM (+lVUW)

212 He had been in shopping, came and out the car would not start. There was a tinge of gasoline odor about, so I do not think the problem was fuel. He ran the battery down trying to crank it, thus the jumper cables. I tried to assist, but the guy is too ignorant to understand simple ignition electronics, and resisted (another pun!) my polite efforts. Last thing I heard him say was, "I'm calling a tow truck".
http://tinyurl.com/onuhf4x
http://tinyurl.com/osymtjm
http://tinyurl.com/nqm99uq
http://tinyurl.com/od79pmd

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 07, 2015 11:40 PM (9mTYi)


Pretty car, kind of crusty under the bonnet.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2015 12:14 AM (Lj21F)

213 Ah yes. Syrian women refugees. Wearing the hijabs that Americans won't will be forced to wear also.



fixed

Posted by: Kindltot at September 08, 2015 12:15 AM (3pRHP)

214 190

The place to change the policies is in their countries, they should stay there and fight for them.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 08, 2015 12:07 AM (ODxAs)


Easier to fuck up ours than to unfuck theirs.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at September 08, 2015 12:15 AM (fgSDS)

215 Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2015 12:09 AM <<<<

You will note that they are going to the 2 places in Europe that have the best benefits.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 08, 2015 12:15 AM (ODxAs)

216 Wanna talk "Colombian neck-ties next"?
Posted by: Kindltot
-----------------

Viking 'Blood Eagle'

or

Skinned alive, aka Flaying

And my personal favorite (rather humane, I think) being rent asunder

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 08, 2015 12:16 AM (9mTYi)

217 Formerly, Mindy, now Emmie,

What's with the change? I liked Mindy though I can adjust to
Emmie.

What gives? Just wondering

Posted by: L, Elle at September 08, 2015 12:16 AM (2x3L+)

218 The Chinese? Those polar bear fuckers? Never!

Oh, and fuck the Austrians and their kangaroos and wallabies too!

Posted by: joey biden at September 08, 2015 12:16 AM (7eC3Q)

219
You want General Washington
You will settle for General Pinochet
You will get General Disorder

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2015 12:16 AM (rwI+c)

220 "...and let Americans go to other countries and do the same.."

Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (VviqM)




Yes, I can't wait to move to Guadalajara and take that non-existent
job waiting for me since Juan the gardener moved to El Norte.



Oh wait, I don't speak Spanish or desire to take a 80% cut in earnings. Guess I'll have to think of another plan.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 08, 2015 12:08 AM (laMCB)
That was a logic hole of Meh's large enough to execute a 180 degree maneuver of the Exxon Valdez. He would have gotten away with it too, if not for meddlesome kids like you. Heh

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 08, 2015 12:17 AM (JO9+V)

221 Come on. Even if an IED goes off in the road, we're too far away for it to affect us taking a dump on this side of the camp!

Posted by: famous last words uttered in a porta-potty at September 08, 2015 12:18 AM (7eC3Q)

222 At least the little brown ones coming here haven't been fighting a vicious regime or trying to evade it's soldiers.

I suspect the invaders of Europe are a few degrees tougher, smarter and more dangerous than the ones who threaten the US.

That doesn't mean the ones here get a pass.

I think the border could be solved very cheaply with volunteer militia charged with maintaining an armed watch over every inch of the border. (changes in manning per area can be modified after enough experience).

Surely there'll be people lining up to have a chance to man such a force.

Oh did I mention that it's weapons free 50 yards either side of the border?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 08, 2015 12:18 AM (x3GpS)

223 Actually I agree. Investigate why the parents didn't raise their little scumbag to be something other than a terrorist.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 08, 2015 12:14 AM (+lVUW)

-----------

Hypothesis No. 1: Shitty Brit job training programs

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 08, 2015 12:18 AM (75uvI)

224 " Let them come here with their families and compete with American workers honestly and let Americans go to other countries and do the same, ..."


And how the Hell do you propose to make other countries, e.g. Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador, etc., reciprocate on the open borders? Short of invading them, that is.


That's where your fantasy breaks down.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2015 12:18 AM (Lj21F)

225 You will note that they are going to the 2 places in Europe that have the best benefits.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 08, 2015 12:15 AM (ODxAs)

****

Yep. And making a beeline past those that would also offer them relief from their "situation", but not nearly as generously.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 12:18 AM (VynIP)

226 And my personal favorite (rather humane, I think) being rent asunder


Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc


"how exactly is one drawn and quartered?"
"Cot an hots I guess, probably insist on a roof and a door. I suppose we could just do a digital shot instead of drawing him, in this day and age"

Posted by: Kindltot at September 08, 2015 12:19 AM (3pRHP)

227 Good nite morons
Hopefully I won't be ready to pass out tomorrow nite

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at September 08, 2015 12:19 AM (fgSDS)

228 Come on. Even if an IED goes off in the road, we're too far away for it to affect us taking a dump on this side of the camp!
---------------------

Right.

Posted by: Transonic fragments at September 08, 2015 12:20 AM (9mTYi)

229 Nighters MH.

Posted by: Transonic fragments at September 08, 2015 12:20 AM (9mTYi)

230 Viking 'Blood Eagle'

or

Skinned alive, aka Flaying

And my personal favorite (rather humane, I think) being rent asunder
Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc.

Go with the Enumclaw Enforcer: being anally violated by a horse and dying of internal hemorrhaging.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at September 08, 2015 12:20 AM (awspb)

231 There is an insurance company, Mutual of Enumclaw. I always loved the name.

Made me wonder what sort of wildlife programs they would produce. Now not so much.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 08, 2015 12:22 AM (3pRHP)

232 "That was a logic hole of Meh's large enough to execute a 180 degree maneuver of the Exxon Valdez. He would have gotten away with it too, if not for meddlesome kids like you. Heh"

Perhaps, or maybe conditions would improve in poor countries if Americans were allowed to export some of our capitalist innovation elsewhere by traveling freely. Some eager entrepreneurs could really benefit by getting in on the beginning on the cheap.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 08, 2015 12:22 AM (VviqM)

233 The President will forget you. Why? To save you means he has to go on the record defending someone accused of desertion. That is very bad optics for this risk-adverse President. Just ask the four dead from Benghazi.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 07, 2015 11:40 PM (Sz+px)


Yep, Obama already got his little, feel good photo op at the white house, so he has no further use for the deserter.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 08, 2015 12:23 AM (+lVUW)

234 Hey Meh, while you are at it, why not repeal the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics so that cold flows honestly to heat as well. It's only fair, eh Kumbaya?

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 08, 2015 12:23 AM (JO9+V)

235 All right, time to call it a night.

Stay well, y'all!

Posted by: logprof at September 08, 2015 12:24 AM (vsbNu)

236 Funny how every damn politician runs on some theme of "fighting for the little," the little guy gets screwed over, then the little guy votes for the politician who promises to fight for the little guy. I've decided the little guy is the dumbest creature on God'green earth.

Posted by: The Medium Sized Guy at September 08, 2015 12:26 AM (2ToL9)

237 Hey Meh, while you are at it, why not repeal the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics so that cold flows honestly to heat as well. It's only fair, eh Kumbaya?
Posted by: Count de Monet

Better yet, repeal the laws of motion, that way we can get unlimited, free energy. Why hasn't anyone in DC thought of that yet?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at September 08, 2015 12:26 AM (awspb)

238 And the Assyrians and the Achamenid Persians had two major capital punishments, one was impalement and the other was being cast into a pit of coals. I think impalement was accomplished with a brace of oxen to drag the condemned onto the impaling post, that was then erected fully.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 08, 2015 12:27 AM (3pRHP)

239 Perhaps, or maybe conditions would improve in poor countries if Americans were allowed to export some of our capitalist innovation elsewhere by traveling freely. Some eager entrepreneurs could really benefit by getting in on the beginning on the cheap.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 08, 2015 12:22 AM (VviqM)

****

Well sure, because this has not already been happening for many decades? Right?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 12:27 AM (VynIP)

240 >>>217 Formerly, Mindy, now Emmie,

What's with the change? I liked Mindy though I can adjust to
Emmie.

What gives? Just wondering
Posted by: L, Elle at September 08, 2015 12:16 AM (2x3L+)
---
Thanks, L, Elle. I am changing because there are people I would like to invite to the blog who might recognize "Mindy" and I would prefer to maintain my anonymity. Plus, according to the urban dictionary, "Emmie" is quite the complimentary nic.

Posted by: Emmie (formerly Mindy) at September 08, 2015 12:27 AM (qSQG+)

241 There is an insurance company, Mutual of Enumclaw. I always loved the name.

I know, right? And remember, Enumclaw backward is Walcmune.

I crack me up.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 08, 2015 12:29 AM (Cze+6)

242 89 If I never heard the term transgender again I'd consider it a great benefit.
No such thing as transgender--it's a fiction. People claiming to be such are simply males/females with emotional issues.
But biology is immutable.
Posted by: irongrampa at September 07, 2015 11:41 PM (jeCnD)


I so agree that I don't want to hear about it anymore. I don't care at all what these people do to their bodies. I'm just fed up with the media continually shoving it at us. None of my business, don't give a shit about it.

And my biggest problem with Bruce Jenner isn't that he did all that to himself, but that he's shown himself to be a shallow attention whore just like everyone else in that family of plastic surgeried buffoons.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 08, 2015 12:29 AM (+lVUW)

243 Oh, Tumor. You have just tried to do a subject shift.

Do you sense failure in your argument or is the Ritalin kicking in?

Head down Son, have faith in your original argument. Flapping like a rag in the wind impresses no-one.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 08, 2015 12:29 AM (3pRHP)

244 The solution is obvious. All we need is a perpetual motion machine.

Posted by: All Meh Teh at September 08, 2015 12:31 AM (Cze+6)

245 "Oh, Tumor. You have just tried to do a subject shift."

Where would that be?

Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 08, 2015 12:32 AM (VviqM)

246 Also, by finding the philosopher's stone that will turn base metals into gold, we would see substantial economic improvement.

Posted by: All Meh Teh at September 08, 2015 12:32 AM (Cze+6)

247 >>>> Posted by: Emmie (formerly Mindy) at September 08, 2015 12:27 AM (qSQG+)

Okay, totally get that, Emmie

Posted by: L, Elle at September 08, 2015 12:33 AM (3C84c)

248 Wait until you see my airplane that runs on pixie dust and unicorn farts.

Posted by: All Meh Teh at September 08, 2015 12:34 AM (Cze+6)

249 The actual moral of the Tale of the Sampo, that with the lid of many colors, is not "don't wish for Unicorns", and it really isn't "treat the help right". It is "the only thing that is limitless and free costs everything and is damned hard to get"

In the end, only the sea is full of salt. Have fun getting it out.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 08, 2015 12:34 AM (3pRHP)

250 And then, we can stop all war by having everyone get along with each other. Wouldn't that be totes awesome?

Posted by: All Meh Teh at September 08, 2015 12:35 AM (Cze+6)

251

Reyaad Khan, Junaid Hussain and Ruhul Amin: profiles of Isis Britons killed in Syria

http://goo.gl/1tlGeA

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 08, 2015 12:35 AM (iQIUe)

252 And then, we can stop all war by having everyone get along with each other. Wouldn't that be totes awesome?

Posted by: All Meh Teh at September 08, 2015 12:35 AM (Cze+6)


Sounds totes cool to us!

Posted by: Frank B. Kellogg & Aristide Briand at September 08, 2015 12:36 AM (0TXlm)

253 251,

Like I give a shit about brit goatfuckers.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 08, 2015 12:36 AM (zyIlW)

254 "And
when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his
prison, and will go forth and deceive the nations which are in the four
corners of the earth..."

"And it will be YUGE, I tell ya! YUGE!


Posted by: Richard McEnroe at September 08, 2015 12:36 AM (Kucy5)

255 Wait until you see my airplane that runs on pixie dust and unicorn farts.
Posted by: All Meh Teh
----------------

Last week, I bought some thread-sealer that is apparently made from unicorn earwax. That's the only explanation for the cost.

Posted by: Transonic fragments at September 08, 2015 12:37 AM (9mTYi)

256 250 And then, we can stop all war by having everyone get along with each other. Wouldn't that be totes awesome?
Posted by: All Meh Teh at September 08, 2015 12:35 AM (Cze+6)

Yep, we can stop all war by getting rid of all these arbitrary lines and borders that only prevent us from visiting our human brothers!

*takes long toke on bong.*

Posted by: Baked Neil Degrasse Tyson at September 08, 2015 12:37 AM (wZ2hu)

257 Also, by electing leaders who are honest, trustworthy and would never think of taking a bribe, or listening to special interest groups, we would help our country out real good.

Posted by: All Meh Teh at September 08, 2015 12:37 AM (Cze+6)

258 Mmm. Kellogg's.

Posted by: homer simpson at September 08, 2015 12:37 AM (7eC3Q)

259 In the end, only the sea is full of salt. Have fun getting it out.
Posted by: Kindltot

Better yet, with all of the people who are full of shit, if we can get it out we could have a very lucrative fertilizer business.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at September 08, 2015 12:38 AM (awspb)

260 I think both Emmie and Mindy are pretty names.

Posted by: rickl at September 08, 2015 12:39 AM (sdi6R)

261 I hear Venezuela could use some capitalistic running dog imperial TP manufacturing. What a ground floor opportunity for an aspiring, energetic entrepreneur! That's a gold mine, Jerry Meh. Gold!

Posted by: Kenny Bania at September 08, 2015 12:39 AM (JO9+V)

262 Better yet, with all of the people who are full of shit, if we can get it out we could have a very lucrative fertilizer business.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig
--------------

I'm working on a plan to harness nervous energy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 08, 2015 12:39 AM (9mTYi)

263 Drought may be alleviated in most arid desert areas by having it rain for a bit, then stop, then rain some more.

Posted by: All Meh Teh at September 08, 2015 12:40 AM (Cze+6)

264 oh, it is easy to get the shjt out of people.
1) laxatives
2) send them to Washington DC either as elected officials or as Jourolists
3) The Rachel Corrie way, which also adds valuable Phosphorous and Calcium

Posted by: Kindltot at September 08, 2015 12:41 AM (3pRHP)

265 Better yet, with all of the people who are full of shit, if we can get it out we could have a very lucrative fertilizer business.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at September 08, 2015 12:38 AM (awspb)


I like the cut of your jib, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter, sir.

Posted by: All Meh Teh at September 08, 2015 12:41 AM (Cze+6)

266 105 Any other suggestions for the Immigration Act of 2018?

Well, the cops in Florence are very nice looking.
Wouldn't mind being hand-cuffed and subdued by one of them.
Oops, I guess the womyn's studies grads aren't going to like that comment.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 08, 2015 12:42 AM (+lVUW)

267 We can give up our dependence on foreign oil by reversing entropy, so there will be abundant energy for all, at minimal cost.

Posted by: All Meh Teh at September 08, 2015 12:43 AM (Cze+6)

268 Just got here, can't read that long.

Dogs will get me up early and I can't go back to bed because I've an early work meeting.

Be well all and love those close to you.

T

Posted by: Farmer at September 08, 2015 12:43 AM (o/90i)

269 Also, by finding the philosopher's stone that will turn base metals into gold, we would see substantial economic improvement.>>>

if gold is as common as aluminum but way less useful in engineering. Where does the economic improvement come from?

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 12:44 AM (HhwmG)

270 3) The Rachel Corrie way, which also adds valuable Phosphorous and Calcium
Posted by: Kindltot

And fills in potholes at little cost to the taxpayers.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at September 08, 2015 12:44 AM (awspb)

271 I think both Emmie and Mindy are pretty names.
Posted by: rickl
--------------

The only problem for me, is that evokes this picture of Emmylou in my mind, and I drift away...
http://tinyurl.com/olwl3hr

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 08, 2015 12:44 AM (9mTYi)

272 Like I give a shit about brit goatfuckers.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 08, 2015 12:36 AM (zyIlW)

=========
Like I give a shit what you do or do not give a shit about? Get lost.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 08, 2015 12:45 AM (iQIUe)

273 if gold is as common as aluminum but way less useful in engineering. Where does the economic improvement come from?

Because gold is worth way more than aluminum, you silly person.

Posted by: All Meh Teh at September 08, 2015 12:46 AM (Cze+6)

274 The actual moral of the Tale of the Sampo,

I remember a Sampo from Mystery Science Theater 3000.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 08, 2015 12:46 AM (W5DcG)

275 Buffalo's PBS station is rerunning Burns' ACW series for the 25th anniversary that I watched part one of tonight.

Not as great as some proponents make it out but I do like humming/singing along with the background music other than "My Country 'Tis of Thee" that always has me humming/singing "God Save the Queen"!

Posted by: andycanuck at September 08, 2015 12:46 AM (7eC3Q)

276 Like I give a shit what you do or do not give a shit about? Get lost.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang
-----------------

Most undiplomatic, Bruce.
Acceptable, perhaps, in Olde English, but bad form otherwise old chap.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 08, 2015 12:48 AM (9mTYi)

277 Where does the economic improvement come from?
Faucet, spigot and toilet manufacturing.

Posted by: andycanuck at September 08, 2015 12:48 AM (7eC3Q)

278 Here is my TR6. Old picture. I have some newer ones still in the camera. Car is about 90% ready to drive now, with 4 new tires on it.


http://preview.tinyurl.com/nok6bm7

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2015 12:48 AM (Lj21F)

279 Because gold is worth way more than aluminum, you silly person.>>>

Well it would improve electronics I guess.

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 12:48 AM (HhwmG)

280 "...and let Americans go to other countries and do the same.."

I do not wish to. Requiring me to do so based on someone else's decision is tyranny - and is a crime against humanity (forced migration) and is slavery in all aspects less an auction.

You propose kidnapping, enslavement, forced migration, and tyranny because you like to save $20 on getting your gardening done. That is the pinnacle of self-interest turning a person into a monstrous tyrant.

By your incoherent hate-filled blatherings, you support the worst crimes against humanity and Liberty.

Please, get help from a mental health professional because you are a clear danger to innocents around you and should be kept away from humans of all ages.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at September 08, 2015 12:49 AM (z5Hds)

281 Faucet, spigot and toilet manufacturing.>>>

Is that you Donald T?

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 12:49 AM (HhwmG)

282 Most undiplomatic, Bruce.

Acceptable, perhaps, in Olde English, but bad form otherwise old chap.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 08, 2015 12:48 AM (9mTYi)
that was more midcentury ........which is kind of old but not that olde.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 08, 2015 12:50 AM (0O7c5)

283 Buffalo's PBS station is rerunning Burns' ACW series for the 25th anniversary that I watched part one of tonight.
Posted by: andycanuck

Watched it on Netflix a few weeks ago. Holds up pretty well. Another good documentary on Netflix that I just finished last night is 14: Diaries of The Great War. Worth a watch, I think.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at September 08, 2015 12:50 AM (awspb)

284 Alberta - Looks pretty good. As a matter of curiosity, was it imported to Canada, or the U.S., and were there any differences?

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 08, 2015 12:51 AM (9mTYi)

285 .which is kind of old but not that olde.......
Posted by: phoenixgirl
-------------------

Much like myself.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 08, 2015 12:52 AM (9mTYi)

286 was it imported to Canada, or the U.S., and were there any differences?>>>

The Spedo would have been different.

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 12:52 AM (HhwmG)

287 Much like myselfe.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
--

Edited

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 08, 2015 12:53 AM (9mTYi)

288 OH. "Sarcasm". I have heard about it.

And I missed it completely. My bad.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at September 08, 2015 12:53 AM (z5Hds)

289 The Spedo would have been different.
Posted by: Willy
-----

More coverage? I mean, it get cold up there.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 08, 2015 12:53 AM (9mTYi)

290 Posted by: Inspector Cussword at September 08, 2015 12:49 AM (z5Hds)

Where am i requiring you to do anything? Just the opposite, you're free to do what you want, stay here, go elsewhere, it's your decision, no one else's.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 08, 2015 12:54 AM (VviqM)

291 More coverage? I mean, it get cold up there.>>>

More padding to hide shrinkage.

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 12:54 AM (HhwmG)

292 See you all tomorrow. Late night tonight.

Posted by: andycanuck at September 08, 2015 12:54 AM (7eC3Q)

293 Alberta - Looks pretty good. As a matter of curiosity, was it imported to Canada, or the U.S., and were there any differences?

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 08, 2015 12:51 AM (9mTYi)


Apparently sold new in North Carolina, of all places. 49-State car, no catalytic converter. I will probably insure and license it as a collector car, to avoid the necessity of a $20 emission test every year. Which it might not pass, since the EGR system is not working.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2015 12:55 AM (Lj21F)

294 Goodnight Andy.

Alberta - EGR. Well, that might be good or bad. As long as tuning is compensated. Does that have SU's?

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 08, 2015 12:57 AM (9mTYi)

295 G'evening Horde.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2015 12:58 AM (1D4Ef)

296 With a record 800,000 foreign invaders
swelling and overwhelming all of its infrastructure ...

Meh.... that is only the equivalent of about thirty army divisions of poorly trained riflemen.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2015 12:59 AM (NaeCR)

297 No wait, further reading is that ATM is actually serious.

My first post stands. He/she says that Americans MUST compete by responding to invasion by invading South and Central American republics to "compete".

He/she is not making sense.

We have the right and duty to our nation and our culture to treat all who break our laws as the customs and laws of warfare require.

We have the right and duty to close our borders.
We have the right and duty to either ship who we catch back to their nations - or execute them as non-uniformed invaders - spies, in common terms. It is acceptable and customary to execute invaders without uniforms as spies.

Now - let's talk about the whether or not a bus ticket is more or less expensive than a rope.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at September 08, 2015 01:01 AM (z5Hds)

298 Alberta - EGR. Well, that might be good or bad. As long as tuning is compensated. Does that have SU's?

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 08, 2015 12:57 AM (9mTYi)


Worse. It has Strombergs. Car came with 2 carb kits in boxes, never opened. That was my first chore this last visit. Re-kitted the carbs. Helped a bit. At least they don't piddle gas out the bottom while it runs. Engine has sticky valves. Needs to be driven some, run some Marvel Mystery Oil through it. Floor is all repaired, seats back in, new tires mounted. One of the tires that it came with disintegrated during the summer. Tread mostly blew off it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2015 01:03 AM (Lj21F)

299 For a fun synopsis -- imagine if all the refugees were nubile women and children.....then compare your thoughts with a PRI interview I heard earlier today about a 32-year-old Syrian teacher trying to make it to Germany who had left his wife and two young daughters in Syria. PRI was trying to play it for sympathy, but all I could think of was: "why didn't this scum send his wife and daughters to safety and fight to cover their safe escape????"

Posted by: cthulhu at September 08, 2015 01:03 AM (EzgxV)

300 Now - let's talk about the whether or not a bus ticket is more or less expensive than a rope.
-----------------

Hillary suggested boxcars.
Odd thing for her to say.
It's as if she has totalitarian leanings.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 08, 2015 01:04 AM (9mTYi)

301 The only solution is to actually let open the borders and let people go
where they want, but that will never happen because of nationalism
everywhere, so the pols win and they'll continue winning.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 07, 2015 11:26 PM (VviqM)

Obviously a Trump fan.

/sarc

Remember
You will vote for Jeb! and like it.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2015 01:04 AM (NaeCR)

302 I'd prefer to pay for bus fare - but with all the Left's yelling about how terrible it is to demand that the law (Deportation ) be followed, I think it only fair that they understand the true, customary, and legal alternative to that bus ticket. A rope is approximately 1/10th the cost of the cheapest ticket and can be re-used.

Now. Let's discuss following the law, shall we?

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at September 08, 2015 01:07 AM (z5Hds)

303 "My first post stands. He/she says that Americans MUST compete by responding to invasion by invading South and Central American republics to "compete"."

No, i'm not, i'm saying allowing people to travel freely would allow honest competition, American workers are under pressure now under the current corrupted system.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 08, 2015 01:08 AM (VviqM)

304 By the time gets through with his wall along the Southern border , Trump USA will be the world wide leader in wall technology--just in time to stem the tide of the various Muslim border invasions.

Trump will find some way to brand his walls so he gets a royalty cut from every border wall built around the globe.

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at September 08, 2015 01:08 AM (htXhe)

305 Now. Let's discuss following the law, shall we?
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at September 08, 2015 01:07 AM (z5Hds)

****

That would be awesome. Agreed.

Who in politics is currently discussing doing this?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 01:09 AM (VynIP)

306 Alberta - Mikuni sidedrafts are a lot more fun to live with. Requires several shovelfuls of Loonies, however.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 08, 2015 01:10 AM (9mTYi)

307

Maet:

Has "Tom Sawyer" appeared yet? Perhaps you might prepare.

It seems that the Italian Court of Cassation has finally tossed out the Amanda Knox conviction:

http://news.yahoo.com/italy-top-court-knox-conviction-based-poor-case-125434208.html

... and they apply a severe beating to the Prosecution.

Posted by: Arbalest at September 08, 2015 01:10 AM (FlRtG)

308 No, i'm not, i'm saying allowing people to travel freely would allow honest competition, American workers are under pressure now under the current corrupted system.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 08, 2015 01:08 AM (VviqM)

And I'm sympathetic to this libertarian argument. Unfortunately I don't see how it works in the real world, where governments of all stripes interfere endlessly in the labor markets and distort them to such a degree that market forces aren't really at work at all.

Plus, like Maet said upthread -- it would be culturally... difficult. Different people and different cultures are very different.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 08, 2015 01:11 AM (AkOaV)

309 PRI was trying to play it for sympathy, but all I could think of was: "why didn't this scum send his wife and daughters to safety and fight to cover their safe escape????"
Posted by: cthulhu

Because mohammedanism instills cowardice, hedonism, and cruelty as virtues.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at September 08, 2015 01:11 AM (awspb)

310 Trump will find some way to brand his walls so he gets a royalty cut from every border wall built around the globe.
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at September 08, 2015 01:08 AM (htXhe)

****

Good old American innovation at its finest, baby. Bring it.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 01:11 AM (VynIP)

311 308 No, i'm not, i'm saying allowing people to travel freely would allow honest competition, American workers are under pressure now under the current corrupted system.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 08, 2015 01:08 AM (VviqM)

And I'm sympathetic to this libertarian argument. Unfortunately I don't see how it works in the real world, where governments of all stripes interfere endlessly in the labor markets and distort them to such a degree that market forces aren't really at work at all.

Plus, like Maet said upthread -- it would be culturally... difficult. Different people and different cultures are very different.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 08, 2015 01:11 AM (AkOaV)




Every time I see you, I think...."what was his old handle?"

Posted by: cthulhu at September 08, 2015 01:13 AM (EzgxV)

312 I'm watching the Buckeyes/Hokies game. About 12 minutes left. Buckeyes look pretty tough offensively with Jones Elliot and Miller. And they have even some of their best receivers suspended for the game.

Posted by: buzzion at September 08, 2015 01:14 AM (zt+N6)

313 Trump will find some way to brand his walls so he gets a royalty cut from every border wall built around the globe.
-----------------

"Trump Tower" might come to imply spotlights and machine guns.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 08, 2015 01:14 AM (9mTYi)

314 No, i'm not, i'm saying allowing people to
travel freely would allow honest competition, American workers are under
pressure now under the current corrupted system.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 08, 2015 01:08 AM (VviqM)

Free migration absolutely can not work in a world where comprehensive welfare systems exist. People will simply migrate to the countries with the most generous benefits, and the numbers that do so will sponge them to death in short order. We're experiencing that...

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 08, 2015 01:14 AM (J+mig)

315 I am out.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 08, 2015 01:15 AM (9mTYi)

316 309 PRI was trying to play it for sympathy, but all I could think of was: "why didn't this scum send his wife and daughters to safety and fight to cover their safe escape????"
Posted by: cthulhu

Because mohammedanism instills cowardice, hedonism, and cruelty as virtues.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at September 08, 2015 01:11 AM (awspb)




It was a rhetorical question.....and one which has a more general answer -- "Because mohammedanism authoritarianism instills cowardice, hedonism, and cruelty as virtues."

Posted by: cthulhu at September 08, 2015 01:16 AM (EzgxV)

317 "Free migration" is why armies have always existed.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2015 01:16 AM (NaeCR)

318 It was a rhetorical question.....and one which has a more general answer -- "Because mohammedanism authoritarianism instills cowardice, hedonism, and cruelty as virtues."

Posted by: cthulhu at September 08, 2015 01:16 AM (EzgxV)

Authoritarianism of any stripe requires a supine population without any means of righting itself. People get used to depending on outside protection, instead of providing it themselves.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 08, 2015 01:17 AM (J+mig)

319 People will simply migrate to the countries with the most generous
benefits, and the numbers that do so will sponge them to death in short
order. We're experiencing that...>>>

See the flow of welfare recipients to blue cities in the US with the best benefits. And crime rates.

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 01:17 AM (HhwmG)

320 "Free migration" is why armies have always existed.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2015 01:16 AM (NaeCR)

*****

Otherwise known as "invasion".

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 01:17 AM (VynIP)

321 317
"Free migration" is why armies have always existed.



Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2015 01:16 AM (NaeCR)

And borders. People forget that nations belong to their citizens, and that governments are instituted first and foremost to protect the rights of those citizens, including property. A government that elevates the interests of foreign nationals and international megacorporations above its own citizens is anathema to its very reason for existence and must be reformed or abolished.
Which is exactly why even though I understand the Libertarian position, and even sympathize with the emotional appeal, I reject it.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 08, 2015 01:20 AM (J+mig)

322 Every time I see you, I think...."what was his old handle?"
Posted by: cthulhu at September 08, 2015 01:13 AM (EzgxV)

I've had a bunch over the years, this current incarnation didn't start here at the 'hq.

I'll probably come up with something more original at some point.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 08, 2015 01:22 AM (AkOaV)

323 Which is exactly why even though I understand the Libertarian position,
and even sympathize with the emotional appeal, I reject it.>>>

The up arrows that I don't know how to do.

This

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 01:22 AM (HhwmG)

324 It was a rhetorical question.....and one which has a more general answer -- "Because authoritarianism instills cowardice, hedonism, and cruelty as virtues."
Posted by: cthulhu

Point taken, but mohammedanism also devalues females. A guy raised under a different authoritarian system (Nazi Germany, Soviet Union) probably would have taken care of his wife and daughters before saving his own ass, but as a mohammedan he most likely views his wife and daughters as nothing but holes to stick his dick into, not as real people.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at September 08, 2015 01:22 AM (awspb)

325 Who in politics is currently discussing doing this?

No one but me. Some seem to hint, but none come out and explicitly teach the way that sovereignty, the rules and customs of War, and relations between Nations (International Law dating from the post-French Revolutionary period in the 19th Century) interact and restrict the crypto-communistic partial war treaties of the 20th Century that most people think are the ONLY sources of international law (United Nations treaties & Geneva Convention(s))

Control over a nation's borders are intrinsic to their legitimacy. A question posed by a foreign nation through an invasion of their citizens into another is an act of war. An invasion does not require tanks or artillery. A man with an empty belly, aimed at a frontier by their country or leaders with the company of a handful of others is an attempt to overthrow the legitimacy of a nation's rule.

Mexico has declared war on the US.

By teaching their people that "reconquista" is a thing to be accomplished- in the lessons taught in their goverment schools - the Goverment of Mexico is guilty of violating the Treaty of Guadalupe Hildalgo of 1949 - and in so doing has ensured that legally, a state of War exists yet again between our two nations.

Mexico must be punished.

All her nationals must be returned.

She must be made to pay reparations - I prefer Baja California entire. It must be vacated and given to the US to dispose of. I recommend giving it to Israel.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at September 08, 2015 01:22 AM (z5Hds)

326 No, i'm not, i'm saying allowing people to
travel freely would allow honest competition, American workers are under
pressure now under the current corrupted system.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 08, 2015 01:08 AM (VviqM)



In case you missed it, you can find American (and some Canadian and Euro) entrepreneurs in many South and Central American countries. But the entrenched culture of corruption that is so common there makes it hard for them to run an honest business.


Free movement of people alone will solve nothing. And if CentroAmerica cleans up its culture of corruption, then their economies will blossom, and their underclass will no longer see a benefit in beating feet for the USA.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2015 01:23 AM (Lj21F)

327 In case you missed it, you can find American (and some Canadian and Euro) entrepreneurs in many South and Central American countries. But the entrenched culture of corruption that is so common there makes it hard for them to run an honest business.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2015 01:23 AM (Lj21F)

Plus, it's illegal for US companies to bribe foreign governments. Which is the only way to do business in many third world countries.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 08, 2015 01:24 AM (AkOaV)

328 Which is exactly why even though I understand the Libertarian position, and even sympathize with the emotional appeal, I reject it.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 08, 2015 01:20 AM (J+mig)

*******

Agreed. If said "immigrants" were like those of the past, coming here to assimilate and build lives as Americans, this would make sense.

As they are not, and they are bringing their own Nationalism and culture with them while expecting us to cater to same, close the border now.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 01:25 AM (VynIP)

329 also, speaking of oil -- saw a cnn article on Shell's drilling activities in the artic recently.

Shell was identified as a large US oil company.

Not sure how the Dutch and Brits feel about that.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 08, 2015 01:26 AM (AkOaV)

330 Mexico must be punished.

All her nationals must be returned.

She must be made to pay reparations - I prefer Baja California entire. It must be vacated and given to the US to dispose of. I recommend giving it to Israel.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at September 08, 2015 01:22 AM (z5Hds)

****

I agree. Now, gotta get the overlords talking about this. My current estimation of success with this strategy?

Somewhat less than zero.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 01:30 AM (VynIP)

331 329 also, speaking of oil -- saw a cnn article on Shell's drilling activities in the artic recently.

Shell was identified as a large US oil company.

Not sure how the Dutch and Brits feel about that.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 08, 2015 01:26 AM (AkOaV)


Layers and layers of fact checking.

Posted by: buzzion at September 08, 2015 01:30 AM (zt+N6)

332 Layers and layers of fact checking.
Posted by: buzzion

Layers and layers...just like how they built the West Bank/Gaza Bridge.

Posted by: Vox at September 08, 2015 01:34 AM (awspb)

333 Agreed. If said "immigrants" were like those of the past, coming here to
assimilate and build lives as Americans, this would make sense.
>>>

I kinda get being proud or interested in where your forefathers came from. But none of those first gen immigrants of the past would have put their country's flag on their house or vehicle. They knew what they were running from and where they were running to and why.

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 01:34 AM (HhwmG)

334 Coothie, you here? I have an electrical question.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2015 01:36 AM (/Ikm2)

335 hey bebe : )

Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 08, 2015 01:37 AM (zyIlW)

336 hi cooth : )

Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 08, 2015 01:37 AM (zyIlW)

337 With all thewse people being flooded into the country you can see why it's such a priority to take the guns away

Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 01:38 AM (LAliD)

338 With all thewse people being flooded into the country you can see why it's such a priority to take the guns away>>>

As they cross the border?

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 01:40 AM (HhwmG)

339 Little girl, little girl,
Lord, you know it's true

I've done more for you
Than your daddy has ever done

I give you my jelly roll
and he ain't give you none...

Posted by: mojo at September 08, 2015 01:41 AM (OmBeX)

340 Hey SMFH.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2015 01:41 AM (/Ikm2)

341 With all thewse people being flooded into the country you can see why it's such a priority to take the guns away
Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 01:38 AM (LAliD)

****

I am sure it is on the Dem wishlist, but do not see this being pushed as a priority at this time.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 01:42 AM (n4WTI)

342 SMFH. Hello and good night.

Shoot me an email if you will, as regards your's and Chi's forthcoming visits to my AO?

I'm just recently back from Orlando, arriving home after an 18.5 hr, straight-through drive. The only thing keeping me cogent is this here glass of bourbon by my side, and the fact that my pillow is but 3 ft. away, and beckons.

But still, logistics need be aligned and resolved.

I'm looking forward to y'all visiting.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 08, 2015 01:43 AM (McRlu)

343 Will do, Jim.

Glad you're home safe.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 08, 2015 01:44 AM (zyIlW)

344 So however you feel about Amazon, I found out they have some good support for the kindle.

My kindle had some sort of hardware failure, and a 15 minute phone call had them shipping a replacement under warranty at no charge.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2015 01:44 AM (1D4Ef)

345
341 Not for lack of desire...
Kerry DID sign the UN treaty on small arms...tho it wasn't in the papers

Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 01:44 AM (LAliD)

346 I have an electrical question.

Not cooth, but am an EE. (Flip a coin if you should run away screaming)

What sort of electrical question?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2015 01:45 AM (1D4Ef)

347 With all thewse people being flooded into the country you can see why it's such a priority to take the guns away
Posted by: Max

Hey! Nobody has done more than me to ensure they have access to the latest and best firearms available. Oh wait..You mean your guns. Yeah, we're coming for those.

Posted by: Eric Holder at September 08, 2015 01:46 AM (awspb)

348 The "Pizza Burrito":

http://tinyurl.com/pyvvlhj

Posted by: The Hungry Hat at September 08, 2015 01:47 AM (0TXlm)

349
Black means hot unless it's negative and sometimes ground.
Other than that, keep the smoke inside.

Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 01:48 AM (LAliD)

350
The "Pizza Burrito":>>>

Calzone?

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 01:49 AM (HhwmG)

351 334 Coothie, you here? I have an electrical question.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2015 01:36 AM (/Ikm2)



Around about. Whassup?




[....and hiya, SMFH!]

Posted by: cthulhu at September 08, 2015 01:49 AM (EzgxV)

352 341 Hey mwnp how did you become a service writer?

Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 01:50 AM (LAliD)

353 341 Not for lack of desire...
Kerry DID sign the UN treaty on small arms...tho it wasn't in the papers
Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 01:44 AM (LAliD)

****

With zero discernable current impact. The one thing even the most Leftist Pols are loathe to do is try a full on assault on gun ownership.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 01:50 AM (n4WTI)

354 It will take a major riot, days long. Hungary is looking likely as a flashpoint, but Germany is inviting trouble by taking in these swarms. They WILL bite.

Posted by: mojo at September 08, 2015 01:52 AM (OmBeX)

355 353 Yeah they're doing fine incrementally... as in CA. and l.a.

Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 01:52 AM (LAliD)

356 341 Hey mwnp how did you become a service writer?
Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 01:50 AM (LAliD)

*****

Haven't been one for a long time, but went from car porter, to Mechanic, to Service Writer, to Service Manager. Took about 5 years from '82 to '87.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 01:54 AM (n4WTI)

357 353 341 Not for lack of desire...
Kerry DID sign the UN treaty on small arms...tho it wasn't in the papers
Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 01:44 AM (LAliD)

****

With zero discernable current impact. The one thing even the most Leftist Pols are loathe to do is try a full on assault on gun ownership.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 01:50 AM (n4WTI)




Oh, they'd love to, no doubt......the problem is that they have ZERO remaining credibility on the issue. They've consistently lied over decades without telling one slight marginal tiny bit of truth. So when they go, "it's minor, it won't hurt a bit", the NRA and everyone else with two functioning neurons goes nuclear on them.

Posted by: cthulhu at September 08, 2015 01:55 AM (EzgxV)

358 Excellent ONT

Posted by: Sinalco at September 08, 2015 01:55 AM (wmGv+)

359 G'evening, cthulhu. Did you know there was a bacon festival over the weekend?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2015 01:55 AM (1D4Ef)

360 359 G'evening, cthulhu. Did you know there was a bacon festival over the weekend?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2015 01:55 AM (1D4Ef)



That's pretty general. Where?

Posted by: cthulhu at September 08, 2015 01:57 AM (EzgxV)

361 SJ Bacon Festival. Was at Plaza de Cesar Chavez, sayeth Google.

Heard about it from a friend, so now I have something to check out next year's Labor Day, assuming CA doesn't go SMOD on me ... yet.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2015 02:00 AM (1D4Ef)

362 9 One thing I know; what governments won't do, angry people will.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 07, 2015 11:34 PM (rwI+c)

--------

When?

Posted by: The Waco Kid at September 08, 2015 02:00 AM (EARfr)

363 346 What sort of electrical question?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2015 01:45 AM (1D4Ef)

3 nights ago, I noticed the tile floor in the master bathroom was warm. It sits directly over my tenants bathroom. Said tenant leaves the bathroom fan running for hours. It's been running for 13 hours as of now. I suspect he is also leaving the heat lamp running. He has been spoken to about the fan not being designed to do this several times. I'm scared shitless he's going to burn my house down. It is normal for me to feel heat coming up through the tile floor especially if the shit's been running for hours? Could it wiring issues? Should I call am electrician tomorrow morning & get him out ASAP?

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2015 02:01 AM (/Ikm2)

364 Europe made its bed and now it can lay in it.

Posted by: Sinalco at September 08, 2015 02:01 AM (wmGv+)

365 Night all.

Here is "House of the Rising Sun" as played by a Korean hottie on an electric violin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ1D1AJu9CA

Posted by: The Political Hat at September 08, 2015 02:03 AM (0TXlm)

366
The heat lamp is installed in the ceiling fan?
Who in their right mind would leave a heat lamp on in l.a. in this weather???
How old is the building/wiring???
Is the circuit properly fused or circuit breaker protected?

Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 02:05 AM (LAliD)

367 Oh, they'd love to, no doubt......the problem is that they have ZERO remaining credibility on the issue. They've consistently lied over decades without telling one slight marginal tiny bit of truth. So when they go, "it's minor, it won't hurt a bit", the NRA and everyone else with two functioning neurons goes nuclear on them.
Posted by: cthulhu at September 08, 2015 01:55 AM (EzgxV)

*****

True enough, and their bullshit between campaign stances and legislative actions has killed this issue.

I am no longer an NRA member, but I appreciate the fact that they never relent on the issue, and will openly take those down who wish to.

Main reason I no longer belong is that they were worse than AARP about fund rasing. I was already a Life Member. Leve me the hell alone. But, Noooooooo

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 02:05 AM (n4WTI)

368

BBD:

" ...get him out ASAP?."

Yes

Posted by: Arbalest at September 08, 2015 02:05 AM (FlRtG)

369 Bathroom fans don't use much power, and can stay running pretty well constantly. But if they are exhausting air to the outside that you paid to cool, or to heat, as the case may be, it will cost you there. I doubt the fan would transfer much heat to the floor above; if it is moving air, it will cool its own motor.


Put the heat lamp on a timer switch, 15 minutes max. And tell the tenant that if he defeats the timer, his ass is on the street.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2015 02:06 AM (Lj21F)

370 369 is correct

Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 02:08 AM (LAliD)

371 363 346 What sort of electrical question?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2015 01:45 AM (1D4Ef)

3 nights ago, I noticed the tile floor in the master bathroom was warm. It sits directly over my tenants bathroom. Said tenant leaves the bathroom fan running for hours. It's been running for 13 hours as of now. I suspect he is also leaving the heat lamp running. He has been spoken to about the fan not being designed to do this several times. I'm scared shitless he's going to burn my house down. It is normal for me to feel heat coming up through the tile floor especially if the shit's been running for hours? Could it wiring issues? Should I call am electrician tomorrow morning & get him out ASAP?

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2015 02:01 AM (/Ikm2)




This falls into the category of "manageable risk". It's likely to be tolerable, but the information you have doesn't rule out serious problems (and, yes, burning the house down is potential).



Unfortunately, you're going to have to dig to accurately asses where you are. Was that bath permitted/inspected construction? Is the fixture being used properly (if it's for two 60-watt bulbs and it's got two 100's, you're at risk). You should inspect and consider quite a bit before you call an electrician.

Posted by: cthulhu at September 08, 2015 02:10 AM (EzgxV)

372 Put the heat lamp on a timer switch, 15 minutes max. And tell the tenant that if he defeats the timer, his ass is on the street.>>>

This is basically the answer I was going to give. But went looking for this.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/qg82kmj

Have the electrician install one of these.

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 02:10 AM (HhwmG)

373 Should I call am electrician tomorrow morning & get him out ASAP?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2015 02:01 AM (/Ikm2)

****

Generally, warm is OK in terms of electrical use. Is their service on your dime? If not, may want to chill and wait a little bit to see what shakes out.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 02:10 AM (n4WTI)

374 367 Well the issue is marginally dead when you consider thatcolorado, ny, waand conn have recently instituted confiscation schemes and in ca. and l.a. they're running wild trying to build up momentum.

Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 02:10 AM (LAliD)

375 Not an electrician, but I'll second/third the fan not being likely to burn your house down.

Is it the entire tile floor feeling warm, or is there a particular hot spot?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2015 02:11 AM (1D4Ef)

376 367 Well the issue is marginally dead when you consider thatcolorado, ny, waand conn have recently instituted confiscation schemes and in ca. and l.a. they're running wild trying to build up momentum.
Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 02:10 AM (LAliD)

*****

Just how are those schemes working out for them in terms of real life compliance?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 02:14 AM (n4WTI)

377 369 Put the heat lamp on a timer switch, 15 minutes max. And tell the tenant that if he defeats the timer, his ass is on the street.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2015 02:06 AM (Lj21F)

Is that something the electrician could install, up in the ceiling where he can't get to it? I also don't want to have to replace the fan because he burnt it out from running it 24/7

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2015 02:14 AM (/Ikm2)

378 And we now see why she asked cthulhu. That is the best answer.

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 02:14 AM (HhwmG)

379
376 One could ask the same about laws against speeding and drug use...
I've seen estimates of 25-30% compliance. Those who didn't comply are felons now. Is that serious enough???
The problem is the fact that the laws passed and are there is just a trap waiting for otherwise innocent folks to fall into.

Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 02:18 AM (LAliD)

380 I have a fair bit of experience with exhaust fans, since I work in wellsite shacks that have exhaust fans of the typical chrome bathroom style in the lab section. I leave these fans running 24/7 to exhaust solvent fumes, and they never get hot. Even if the motor stalls, they don't overheat dangerously. They typically use a shaded-pole motor, like what used to be standard in phonographs back in the day. They use about 20 watts, and scarcely more if stalled. Pretty well burn-out proof.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2015 02:18 AM (lXn/z)

381 378 And we now see why she asked cthulhu. That is the best answer.

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 02:14 AM (HhwmG)




She asked me because we've met, and she figured I'd give her a thoughtful answer.

Posted by: cthulhu at September 08, 2015 02:19 AM (EzgxV)

382 378 Wow. Well I'm a California Certified General Electrician but I realize when I've been licked

Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 02:20 AM (LAliD)

383 376 One could ask the same about laws against speeding and drug use...
I've seen estimates of 25-30% compliance. Those who didn't comply are felons now. Is that serious enough???
The problem is the fact that the laws passed and are there is just a trap waiting for otherwise innocent folks to fall into.
Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 02:18 AM (LAliD)

****

Speeding is not a felony, unless you really push it. Not all drug s are either. We are pretty far afield from the original discussion, so Ima gonna just wrap this one here and tell you to be well.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 02:22 AM (n4WTI)

384 She asked me because we've met, and she figured I'd give her a thoughtful answer.>>>

And you did. I did not think of who installed it or if the wrong bulbs were later put in. Maybe mot thoughtful instead of best as more appropriate.

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 02:22 AM (HhwmG)

385 Well I'm a California Certified General Electrician but I realize when I've been licked

I know. right!?!

Posted by: Mr. Owl & His Tootsie Roll Pop... at September 08, 2015 02:22 AM (qOsoH)

386 375 Is it the entire tile floor feeling warm, or is there a particular hot spot?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2015 02:11 AM (1D4Ef)

Main spot is directly over the heat lamp. BUT the whole floor was warm an hour ago, now it's down to barely warm in that one spot. And involvement varies, from one spot up to the while floor.

Coothie, it's all permitted & inspected. All the baths have the same heatlamp fixture, that takes 120w bulbs. (Hard to read on the one in my bath & I don't see any more spares)

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2015 02:23 AM (/Ikm2)

387
383 I was referring to everyone who didn't comply with the confiscation laws being felons.
Which is very true.
And, if caught, means you lose your legal right to own firearms.
And vote.

Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 02:23 AM (LAliD)

388 382 378 Wow. Well I'm a California Certified General Electrician but I realize when I've been licked

Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 02:20 AM (LAliD)



Your dog is nearby?




Seriously, there is no aspect of domestic infrastructure that cannot be abused to the point of danger -- in order to accurately assess risk, you need to investigate and understand the sort of abuse taking place.

Posted by: cthulhu at September 08, 2015 02:23 AM (EzgxV)

389 Maybe mot thoughtful instead of best as more appropriate.>>>

Dam Keyboard is skipping letters.

Maybe most thoughtful instead of best was more appropriate.

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 02:24 AM (HhwmG)

390 Maybe there is a coal seam in the bathroom floor.

Posted by: Positive Waves at September 08, 2015 02:25 AM (MQEz6)

391 387

My answer does not change knowing this. Be well.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 02:26 AM (n4WTI)

392 386 375 Is it the entire tile floor feeling warm, or is there a particular hot spot?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2015 02:11 AM (1D4Ef)

Main spot is directly over the heat lamp. BUT the whole floor was warm an hour ago, now it's down to barely warm in that one spot. And involvement varies, from one spot up to the while floor.

Coothie, it's all permitted & inspected. All the baths have the same heatlamp fixture, that takes 120w bulbs. (Hard to read on the one in my bath & I don't see any more spares)

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2015 02:23 AM (/Ikm2)



If permitted and inspected, the fixture (if loaded with appropriate bulbs) should be safe as installed. You can put a timer on the heatlamp for convenience, but the inspectors should assure some level of safety.

Posted by: cthulhu at September 08, 2015 02:28 AM (EzgxV)

393
392
"If permitted and inspected, the fixture (if loaded with appropriate bulbs) should be safe as installed. You can put a timer on the heatlamp for convenience, but the inspectors should assure some level of safety."
Yip

Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 02:30 AM (LAliD)

394 388 Seriously, there is no aspect of domestic infrastructure that cannot be abused to the point of danger -- in order to accurately assess risk, you need to investigate and understand the sort of abuse taking place.
Posted by: cthulhu at September 08, 2015 02:23 AM (

Well, other than what I can observe from the outside, in not going to get too far. He's already lying about letting the fan run incessantly. All I can do is look outside to see if entire unit, including bath, are lit up like Christmas trees 24/7. Which it is appearing they are. It sounds like an electrician is going to be my best bet. If there are no wiring issues and the lamp is not malfunctioning, maybe he can install aop's killswitch & scare him about leaving shit running

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2015 02:30 AM (/Ikm2)

395 Main spot is directly over the heat lamp. BUT the whole floor was
warm an hour ago, now it's down to barely warm in that one spot. And
involvement varies, from one spot up to the while floor.


Sorry to ask the obvious, but sunlight is ruled out?

The heat lamp sounds like a more promising point of investigation.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2015 02:32 AM (1D4Ef)

396 Climate change?

Posted by: Positive Waves at September 08, 2015 02:33 AM (MQEz6)

397 394 388 Seriously, there is no aspect of domestic infrastructure that cannot be abused to the point of danger -- in order to accurately assess risk, you need to investigate and understand the sort of abuse taking place.
Posted by: cthulhu at September 08, 2015 02:23 AM (

Well, other than what I can observe from the outside, in not going to get too far. He's already lying about letting the fan run incessantly. All I can do is look outside to see if entire unit, including bath, are lit up like Christmas trees 24/7. Which it is appearing they are. It sounds like an electrician is going to be my best bet. If there are no wiring issues and the lamp is not malfunctioning, maybe he can install aop's killswitch & scare him about leaving shit running

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2015 02:30 AM (/Ikm2)




It is unlikely that running a fan would give rise to a safety issue -- but people frequently use oversized bulbs in fixtures, and that's dangerous as all hell.

Posted by: cthulhu at September 08, 2015 02:33 AM (EzgxV)

398

BBD:

Is your rental unit on a separate electrical utility meter (i.e., a separate bill from the power company)?

If not (and it's likely a very costly effort), then perhaps it should be.

Running lights and fans for fun should have financial consequences.

Posted by: Arbalest at September 08, 2015 02:33 AM (FlRtG)

399 Sorry to ask the obvious, but sunlight is ruled out?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2015 02:32 AM (1D4Ef)

Yep. First noticed it walking across the tile floor barefoot, at night.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2015 02:34 AM (/Ikm2)

400
398 The best part about not being on a seperate meter is that you can run the heatlamp and the a.c. full blast at the same time all day long.
Also cali is one of the worst in terms of tenant's "rights"

Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 02:37 AM (LAliD)

401 Why the left loves change. An essay by the always thoughtful and insightful Dennis Prager:

http://tinyurl.com/pdnr6xj

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 08, 2015 02:38 AM (OSs/l)

402 400 And then we get into third and fourth tier electrical pricing...

Posted by: MAx at September 08, 2015 02:38 AM (LAliD)

403 398 Is your rental unit on a separate electrical utility meter (i.e., a separate bill from the power company)?
If not (and it's likely a very costly effort), then perhaps it should be.
Running lights and fans for fun should have financial consequences.
Posted by: Arbalest at September 08, 2015 02:33 AM (FlRtG)

No, it's not on a separate meter. I'll ask the electrician, but I'm pretty sure that would be super costly & involve major requiring. I informed him when he moved in that any significant spikes in water & power would be passed in to him. I am curious what the next bill is going to look like. And back to separate meter, I hope this rental thing is going to not last more than a couple years & it can go back to being a guest bedroom.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2015 02:39 AM (/Ikm2)

404 Is that something the electrician could install, up in the ceiling where he can't get to it? I also don't want to have to replace the fan because he burnt it out from running it 24/7

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2015 02:14 AM (/Ikm2)


Look at WillyJ's link, reproduced below. You can buy this timer at any hardware store or Home Depot. As easy to install as a light switch, only 2 wires.


http://preview.tinyurl.com/qg82kmj

Have the electrician install one of these.

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 02:10 AM (HhwmG)


Some of those wellsite shacks, the builders put the exhaust fans on timers, which is entirely reasonable if the fan is in bathroom service, and not entirely unreasonable for a kitchen exhaust fan, either. But it is eminently unreasonable for a fan used to exhaust potentially-toxic vapors from a working space. So my first order of business, upon encountering such a setup, is to replace the timer with a regular switch, or failing that, put both wires on the same terminal of the timer. Because my safety is at stake. And I'm not paying for the heat, either.


Meant to post this ten minutes ago, but my ISP or maybe the damn Win7 is giving me grief. Keep losing Internet connection.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2015 02:40 AM (8p7pX)

405 Why the left loves change. An essay by the always thoughtful and insightful Dennis Prager:

http://tinyurl.com/pdnr6xj
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 08, 2015 02:38 AM (OSs/l)

***

He is not reliably Conservative. Now, off to read the article...m

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 02:41 AM (n4WTI)

406 403 398 Is your rental unit on a separate electrical utility meter (i.e., a separate bill from the power company)?
If not (and it's likely a very costly effort), then perhaps it should be.
Running lights and fans for fun should have financial consequences.
Posted by: Arbalest at September 08, 2015 02:33 AM (FlRtG)

No, it's not on a separate meter. I'll ask the electrician, but I'm pretty sure that would be super costly & involve major requiring. I informed him when he moved in that any significant spikes in water & power would be passed in to him. I am curious what the next bill is going to look like. And back to separate meter, I hope this rental thing is going to not last more than a couple years & it can go back to being a guest bedroom.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2015 02:39 AM (/Ikm2)



How are you fixed for crawl-space?

Posted by: Arsenic and Old Lace at September 08, 2015 02:41 AM (EzgxV)

407 How are you fixed for crawl-space?

Posted by: Arsenic and Old Lace at September 08, 2015 02:41 AM (EzgxV)


The face-sized spiders have claimed that.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2015 02:44 AM (8p7pX)

408 So the tenant leaving the heatlamp on all the time seems to be the most likely cause of your warm floor - per AOP, the bathroom fans use around 20W of electricity, whereas your heatlamp bulbs are 120W, multiplied by however many bulbs per heatlamp fixture.

Definitely check out cthulhu's points, but is probably more of a behavioral/economic fix on tenant's wasteful behavior than an electrical safety one. Is self-resolving problem if you can make him pay for his own excesses.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2015 02:45 AM (1D4Ef)

409 How are you fixed for crawl-space?

Posted by: Arsenic and Old Lace>>>

The Elderberry wine ladies had a full height basement.

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 02:46 AM (HhwmG)

410 408 Definitely check out cthulhu's points, but is probably more of a behavioral/economic fix on tenant's wasteful behavior than an electrical safety one. Is self-resolving problem if you can make him pay for his own excesses.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2015 02:45 AM (1D4Ef)

Ok, thanks all. I gotta try to sleep it being a school night!

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2015 02:51 AM (/Ikm2)

411 #56

Think of it as an amalgam cake.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2015 02:51 AM (IdCqF)

412 So people cannot be insightful or thoughtful unless they're "reliably conservative"?

I love these purity tests.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 08, 2015 02:54 AM (OSs/l)

413 "I love these purity tests."

Wait another year when the real purity tests start up.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at September 08, 2015 02:56 AM (4vXIq)

414 I understated the wattage on the fans. They pull 0.65 amps at 115 volts, which is 75 watts. But that might be their stall current rating, with normal running being less. But still small potatoes compared to heat lamp, and the fan motor is in the air stream, so it is unlikely to be the source of the perceived heat.


http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Bathroom-Replacement-Electric-C01575/dp/B000ZI93PU

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2015 02:56 AM (eNeRn)

415 I understated the wattage on the fans. They pull 0.65 amps at 115 volts,
which is 75 watts. But that might be their stall current rating, with
normal running being less. But still small potatoes compared to heat
lamp, and the fan motor is in the air stream, so it is unlikely to be
the source of the perceived heat.
>>>

Being they are encased in a metal box that should not contact the floor above and in the air stream. If the fan is giving off enough heat to feel in the floor above something other than constant on is wrong.

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 03:03 AM (HhwmG)

416 414 I understated the wattage on the fans. They pull 0.65 amps at 115 volts, which is 75 watts. But that might be their stall current rating, with normal running being less. But still small potatoes compared to heat lamp, and the fan motor is in the air stream, so it is unlikely to be the source of the perceived heat.


Um, heat lamp + fan though. So the fan motor may not be getting hot because of air flow, but the heat lamp is going to warm the air. Could it be enough that the air is warming up the ductwork for the fan that its bleeding through the floor?

Posted by: buzzion at September 08, 2015 03:07 AM (zt+N6)

417 #81

Or they could stay home and build a functional civilization with industries of its own to sustain a modern way of life. And if they can't, tough shit. We don't have much use for cultures that can't hack the modern civilization challenge.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2015 03:13 AM (IdCqF)

418 Um, heat lamp + fan though. So the fan motor may not be getting hot because of air flow, but the heat lamp is going to warm the air. Could it be enough that the air is warming up the ductwork for the fan that its bleeding through the floor?

Posted by: buzzion at September 08, 2015 03:07 AM (zt+N6)


Heat lamp transfers heat to its socket by conduction, and thence to the box. Box gets warm, heats subfloor above by radiation and convection. Fan draws air through itself, may act very slightly to cool heat lamp bulbs and box, too, but the airflow mostly avoids the hot areas where the sockets for the heat lamps are.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2015 03:13 AM (g7EOK)

419 Um, heat lamp + fan though. So the fan motor may not be getting hot
because of air flow, but the heat lamp is going to warm the air. Could
it be enough that the air is warming up the ductwork for the fan that
its bleeding through the floor?>>>

A 100 watt light bulb in a regular pot will give off as much upward moving heat as a normal heat lamp. Because most heat lamps are directional and infrared or radiant. If regular heat lamp bulbs caused fires DIY chicken coops across the country would be lighting the skies.

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 03:13 AM (HhwmG)

420 Well I'm not saying its going to be hot enough to cause a fire.

Posted by: buzzion at September 08, 2015 03:17 AM (zt+N6)

421 A 100 watt light bulb in a regular pot will give off as much upward moving heat as a normal heat lamp. Because most heat lamps are directional and infrared or radiant. If regular heat lamp bulbs caused fires DIY chicken coops across the country would be lighting the skies.

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 03:13 AM (HhwmG)


bebes indicated that the fixtures contained two 120-watt heat lamps; small reflector floods, I guess. I believe the fixtures intended for heat lamps are double-walled, with an air space between. I wonder if the heat lamps and fan are on the same or separate switches? Because sometimes circumstances arise when one would like to run the fan, but not the heat.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2015 03:18 AM (g7EOK)

422 #406

Also, check out the movie 'Shallow Grave.' Early Ewan McGregor and Christopher Eccleston. A troublesome tenant is just the beginning.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2015 03:19 AM (IdCqF)

423
Well I'm not saying its going to be hot enough to cause a fire.>>>

No you didn't but the original question was about safety. And I guess I just ran with it like a politician. Sorry.

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 03:19 AM (HhwmG)

424 He is not reliably Conservative. Now, off to read the article...m
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 08, 2015 02:41 AM (n4WTI)


What the fuckitty fuck?!?

If Dennis Prager is not considered a reliable conservative, then the term has no goddamn meaning. Unless the meaning is now agrees with MWNP 100%. In which none of us are reliable conservatives.

Posted by: Maetenloch at September 08, 2015 03:23 AM (wqVD1)

425 bebes indicated that the fixtures contained two 120-watt heat lamps;
small reflector floods, I guess. I believe the fixtures intended for
heat lamps are double-walled, with an air space between. I wonder if the
heat lamps and fan are on the same or separate switches? Because
sometimes circumstances arise when one would like to run the fan, but
not the heat.>>>

If I installed a regular light bulb between the floor joists below my bathroom I'm sure the tiles in that area would feel warm comparatively. She is not likely in danger if all the correct safe fixtures where installed correctly. But the dick she is renting to is likely just leaving things on because he is not paying for them.
Yet.

Posted by: Willy J. at September 08, 2015 03:25 AM (HhwmG)

426 hat the fuckitty fuck?!?

If Dennis Prager is not considered a reliable conservative, then the term has no goddamn meaning. Unless the meaning is now agrees with MWNP 100%. In which none of us are reliable conservatives.
Posted by: Maetenloch at September 08, 2015 03:23 AM (wqVD1)

****

Gotta apologize here, you are correct and I am wrong. I went off 1/4 cocked.I was thinking more Michael Medved. My mistake.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at September 08, 2015 03:45 AM (cygkw)

427 Gotta apologize here, you are correct and I am wrong. I went off 1/4 cocked.I was thinking more Michael Medved. My mistake.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at September 08, 2015 03:45 AM (cygkw)


Ah okay...never mind then...understood.

I'm recalling the flying monkeys now. Don't worry - I'm pretty sure they'll check their messages before they make the attack runs...

Posted by: Maetenloch at September 08, 2015 04:07 AM (wqVD1)

428 I've just got on and looked back a little , I've listened to Dennis Prager for a long time as well as almost every conservative radio host local and national. If Dennis isn't a conservative I can't tell you who is.
I will search back to find the link but there is a lot of crap on the internet about him.
Good morning horde

Posted by: skip at September 08, 2015 04:21 AM (JghBF)

429 China 9 Liberty 37 is on TCM with Jenny Agutter a spaghetti western,
An Medved does get wishy washes at times but a lot of conservatives do a problem I see.

Posted by: skip at September 08, 2015 04:32 AM (JghBF)

430 'Fingernail' moon rising. Venus to soon follow.

CACing, because he isn't...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at September 08, 2015 04:50 AM (4DCSq)

431 #232

Americans ARE allowed to travel freely.

You really haven't thought this stuff through, have you?

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2015 04:53 AM (IdCqF)

432 #363

Are you sure it's a heat lamp and not, say, a grow light? Unusual power draws have been the vital clue that got many suburban pot growers busted.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2015 05:33 AM (IdCqF)

433 Another excellent ONT, Maet. Thanks.

Regarding Germany ad Syria, I am reminded of Alois Brunner, the SS officer who fled Germany via to Rat Line to Syria. He was Adolf Eichmann's henchman and was responsible for sending 140,000 Jews to the gas chamber. In Syria he wasted granted asylum by the ruling Baath Party and paid for his expertise in torture and interrogation.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, disciple of Dionysus at September 08, 2015 05:40 AM (jR7Wy)

434 m recalling the flying monkeys now. Don't worry - I'm pretty sure they'll check their messages before they make the attack runs...
Posted by: Maetenloch at September 08, 2015 04:07 AM (wqVD***

Lol. Apparently all good. They are both on the same channel in my market. Accordingly, I never listen.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at September 08, 2015 05:42 AM (cygkw)

435 Spengler writes:

Germans have spent the past seventy years feeling badly about themselves and are determined to take this opportunity to feel good about themselves.

The refugees have given the Germans the sort of frisson of good feeling ...

exactly. The Germans assuage their guilt (which by the way is shallow and symbolic, what many think they are supposed to feel) by saving refugees who are certain to continue the jew hatred. The irony is stunning.

Posted by: charleston at September 08, 2015 05:49 AM (Hfp3A)

436 exactly. The Germans assuage their guilt (which by
the way is shallow and symbolic, what many think they are supposed to
feel) by saving refugees who are certain to continue the jew hatred. The
irony is stunning.

Posted by: charleston at September 08, 2015 05:49 AM (Hfp3A)

The cultivation of guilt is the main means by which the Neoliberals have built their power. In their warped worldview, if someone has power (or wealth, or status), they took it from someone else. Shaming people for crimes they are not responsible for, to manipulate their emotional responses is what they do.
This is wholly ironic, since in the Neoliberal worldview, there is no right or wrong, and everything is shades of gray. They feel no guilt, they only abuse it to advance their agenda.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 08, 2015 05:56 AM (J+mig)

437 Le NOOD

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 08, 2015 06:19 AM (VPLuQ)

438 "431 #232

Americans ARE allowed to travel freely."

If that's the case, why do republicans keep telling people Mexicos immigration laws are tougher than America's?

Posted by: All Teh Meh at September 08, 2015 06:39 AM (VviqM)

439 Wow, the #NRORevolt is picking up momentum. This ONT read like something from Amren.

Posted by: bjk at September 08, 2015 07:54 AM (nReQz)

440
Obama's global "A Muslim in Every Home" initiative.
Succeeding beyond his wildest dreams.

Posted by: Hikaru at September 08, 2015 08:04 AM (9TK8E)

441 Okay, something I do not understand about the article regarding the Supreme Court taking the union dues case. At the end of the article, the author says that the state legislatures will have pass laws implementing this change. Why do they have to do that? According to all the screaming left, the afternoon that the SC decided SSM, suddenly the Texas Constitutional statement that marriage was between a man and a woman was thrown out and Texas was immediately required to fall in love with all these marriages.

It seems to me that if SC decides that the government is not allowed to simply suck up the dues for the unions, that would be it and any laws that allow that within the US would be similarly immediately unconstitutional.

Posted by: Former NCO at September 08, 2015 08:19 AM (SAANH)

442 "Mexico must be punished."

Since we no longer are capable of winning Middle Eastern wars, yes, nuke our neighbors to the south and then return the illegals there to start a new country.

Posted by: Adios at September 08, 2015 09:49 AM (pq97T)

443 "431 #232

Americans ARE allowed to travel freely.

You really haven't thought this stuff through, have you?"

Walk into Mexico from an area not designated a checkpoint and see how long your happy ass stays out of jail.

Nuke Mexico!

Posted by: Adios at September 08, 2015 09:52 AM (pq97T)

444 In 1923, Revisionist Zionist leader Ze'ev Jabotinsky published "The Iron Wall (We and the Arabs), attacking what he regarded as the fatuous delusion of the mainstream Labor Zionists that the Arabs of Palestine could be induced to accept Jewish settlement peacefully. I quote:

Every reader has some idea of the early history of other countries which have been settled. I suggest that he recall all known instances. If he should attempt to seek but one instance of a country settled with the consent of those born there he will not succeed. The inhabitants (no matter whether they are civilized or savages) have always put up a stubborn fight.

The leaders of Europe seem intent on setting a precedent in this area.

Posted by: Rich Rostrom at September 08, 2015 04:39 PM (YkV15)

445 September 11, 1683
Gates of Vienna
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

There was a day when Europeans gave a darn about whether they and their children would be free or slaves of a tyrant.

I guess they're choosing serfdom again.

Posted by: setnaffa at September 09, 2015 03:23 PM (BtRXi)

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