Trump's Officially a Temper-Tantrum Throwing Idiot Who Just Can't Put on His Big Boy Pants

Here's my argument.

What is Trump's plan? Or, rather: What would be Trump's plan, if he were capable of planning?

Well, he'd take his starting base of support -- a not-inconsiderable base, given that he's at 35% in New Hampshire -- and use that to win the nomination, over the protestations of the Establishment.

Then, having beaten the Establishment, he would leave them with little other choice but to accept that he has won, and begin supporting him, and saying nice things about him for once.

The Establishment wouldn't like that, but they would probably have to go along with it.

Part of the reason Trump still lags in head-to-heads with Hillary or Biden or Sanders, despite pulling some support, I'm guessing, from blue-collar voters who typically vote Democrat, is that many white-collar Republicans will not support him, at least not yet.

So, Trump's plan should be to win the nomination over their heads, just bull right over them, but then, later, co-opt most of those recalcitrant I'll-never-vote-for-a-low-class-guy-like-Trump Comfortable Class Respectable Republicans and get their support too.

That should be the plan -- that's how he could, conceivably, win.

Which makes it all the more strange that he just can't seem to stop attacking a major, major Establishment avatar, Megyn Kelly, who has a huge microphone and, PS, is one of the most respected anchors on the right, oh, and also, by the way, pissing off the most important Republican institution, which isn't the RNC, of course, but rather FoxNews.

What could he possibly be thinking?

Answer: He's not thinking, he's emoting, Megyn Kelly made him feel bad with her pointed questions and Insolent Journalism and now he's going to obsess about that hurt forever and ever, as he did with Rosie O'Donnell.

It's one thing to burn your bridges behind you. It's quite another thing to burn the bridges which are absolutely required for your passage before you've crossed them at all.

This is, as they say, worse than a crime; this is a mistake. And a very troubling one, coming, as it does, from a place of pure uncontrollable emotionality and id.

It does not presage well for a Trump presidency -- he'll have plenty of people talking smack about him as president, and, as president, do I trust that he will limit his zest for payback to Twitter?

Or do I start to fear he'll be a Lois Lerner type?

This worries me. He does not seem capable of just shaking it off and moving on. He seems to be frozen forever at his point of psychological pain.

Furthermore, pissing of Fox, pissing off his actual ally Roger Ailes, might be the one thing this guy could do to actually blow himself up and take him out of contention permanently.

The only other person I've seen do these late-night angry, drunk-seeming nigh-random Twitter rants is Alec Baldwin.

And I wouldn't trust his psychology with the presidency.

As Peggy Hubbard might say:

Stop being a stupid little bitch and start talking like a god-damned grownup, you imbecile.

Posted by: Ace at 01:45 PM

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1 Frist!

Posted by: joey biden at August 25, 2015 01:47 PM (pgzyN)

2 Farst?

Posted by: joey biden at August 25, 2015 01:47 PM (pgzyN)

3 And his big boy pants are yuuuuuuge and luxurious!

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at August 25, 2015 01:48 PM (RD7QR)

4 And so it begins.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 25, 2015 01:48 PM (eDW1j)

5 third or fourth!

Posted by: mallfly at August 25, 2015 01:48 PM (qSIlh)

6 tenth?

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 01:50 PM (Vf5rR)

7 Yup. Trump should just have declared Victory and moved on. He is being stupid now.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 01:50 PM (gf8BH)

8 Rich guys like Trump and me are usually jerks.

Posted by: Mr. Doo Doo at August 25, 2015 01:50 PM (OD2ni)

9 Bridges?

Where Trump is going he doesn't need bridges.

He floats above the bridges.

He strides the earth a colossus and we mere mortals peep beneath his feet.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 25, 2015 01:50 PM (eDW1j)

10 by the way you can't say I'm anti-Trump as I spent all last week arguing on Trump's behalf and pointing out that he was likely to win, and that we should start accommodating ourselves to that.

Privately -- though I didn't say this on the blog -- i went further and I said "I'm warming up to Trump."

But this kind of junior higher nonsense makes me wonder what the hell this idiot would do if his opposite number in China refuses one of his "deals."

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 01:51 PM (dciA+)

11 >>> Answer: He's not thinking, he's emoting

I think that this is exactly right.

People always assume that big players, on this big of a stage, always have a Master Plan behind everything they do.

Well here is the fact: they are people, just like us. And do dumb things, and petty things, and display normal human weakness, etc.

Posted by: dan-O at August 25, 2015 01:51 PM (ByqK7)

12 Or maybe he's putting himself up to get smacked down a bit in order to demonstrate some humility.

I swear his campaign is borrowing from the WWE playbook.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 25, 2015 01:51 PM (kqGWM)

13 The conspiracy theory is that this is all a stunt to lead up to the inevitable interview by Kelly of Trump for ratings gold.

*hands out lovely hats all around*

Then, having beaten the Establishment, he would leave them with little other choice but to accept that he has won, and begin supporting him, and saying nice things about him for once.

The Establishment wouldn't like that, but they would probably have to go along with it.

I have precisely zero confidence this would happen.

As always, I am not a Trump supporter. I am, however, immensely enjoying the spectacle of watching the shoe being slammed really really really hard on the other foot.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 25, 2015 01:51 PM (mf5HN)

14 "Here's my argument."

Did I miss it?

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 01:51 PM (Vf5rR)

15 Ailes is his ally? Since when

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 01:51 PM (zOTsN)

16 rats.
I do not know what to make of Trump at this point. It's nice that he's not afraid to make enemies, but I wonder if he understands that you don't want to make enemies... oh forget it, if he's the nominee, he'll piss all over Hillary or Sanders or whomever the Dems hack up. Did Romney lose because he wasn't as good as Obama or was it because he was too nice a guy?

Posted by: mallfly at August 25, 2015 01:51 PM (qSIlh)

17 I didn't know Megan Kelly was an actual Establishment person.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 25, 2015 01:51 PM (LXJ1e)

18 Or he is appealing to the Megyn-hating Fox-hating Dems who , due to his immigration stance, could actually see themselves pulling the lever for him.

One of those.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 25, 2015 01:52 PM (gbIds)

19 I understand it a little. However I don't see why you want to give all the other contenders a pass with their swipes too. But then again it seems to more about just bring up straw men with you guys. Yeah we get it, you don't like Trump, but really the double standards are getting old. For such an unserious candidate, Trump has put out more than most of the field and yet you don't hear any harping about them and their lack of vision. Like it or not, Trump is the only one who can shatter the establishment and break the one party rule of govt. I realize that's scary to someone such as yourself. But he's the only viable person who can do it.

Posted by: doc at August 25, 2015 01:52 PM (qcI0v)

20 So much for Trump, eh?

Let's all get together behind a REAL candidate, one we can trust to Lead the Country. After all, a guy who disses Megyn Kelly is simply Not to Be Trusted!

Lemme see, now. Who shall we pick? Rubio? Huckabee? Kasich? Shall we do as Dubya admonished me to do (in an email) today and Stand With Jeb!

How 'bout Walker and Cruz, with their -- shall we say -- flexible beliefs?

Who does Poppin' Fresh endorse? That's the ticket! Well, unless T-Paw or Rockin' Rick Santorum can't be persuaded to run after their sterling performances in '12.

But definitely not a guy who has flown of the handle at a Fox News Star, a sweet, vulnerable, strong woman!

Guess that leaves Hillary, doesn't it? Nope, Ace has already counted her out.

Bernie's the One!

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 25, 2015 01:52 PM (SNBrO)

21
So, Ace imagines Trump without his pants on???

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 25, 2015 01:52 PM (iQIUe)

22 And then the fight started.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 01:52 PM (OGm46)

23 I just figured out why Trump is so popular with the hoi polloi:

He has a lot of money, but he talks like a lower-class slob.

Talks and acts, that is.

It is his troglodyte verbiage and personality that endears him to the troglodytes of America -- i.e. about 60% of the nation.

Megyn Kelly looks and acts wealthy. That's her problem.

Posted by: zombie at August 25, 2015 01:52 PM (jBuUi)

24 Part of what I fear with Trump is that he never really got into this race for any reason other than a Publicity Stunt, and now he has stumbled upon what may end up being the GOP nomination.

And if it is handed to him, will he take it? Fuck yeah!

But sometimes I think the guy hasn't put more than 2 minutes thought into any actual issue.

Posted by: dan-O at August 25, 2015 01:53 PM (ByqK7)

25 "Yup. Trump should just have declared Victory and moved on. He is being stupid now."

Agreed.He took some funny shots at Chuck Todd a couple of weeks ago and moved on. Should be the same with Kelly, but it shows just how much she got under his skin.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 25, 2015 01:53 PM (OD2ni)

26 I like ATCs thinking

this is build up for a huuugggggeeeee interview

and it will be fabulousness

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 01:53 PM (zOTsN)

27 Megyn Kelly fucked up and hasn't apologized.

Trump can't let her have the win, because she doesn't deserve it. Fox and Kelly thought they would show the world who controls who the candidate will be, and Trump is showing them that's not the case.

Posted by: jwest at August 25, 2015 01:53 PM (Zs4uk)

28 so le me say that I think Trump really wants to win this, and I wouldn't be again him.

Trump or Hillary! if it comes to that -- your choice, and not that hard, I think.

Posted by: mallfly at August 25, 2015 01:53 PM (qSIlh)

29 Yep, it's time to grow up a bit and act somewhat Presidential.

Posted by: Bosk at August 25, 2015 01:53 PM (n2K+4)

30 *stupid me, let me put this comment on the right thread.*

*whew*

Good thing Megyn's going to be on Trump's case more now and not mine.

Posted by: Mike F*ckabee at August 25, 2015 01:53 PM (5aFbR)

31 Dear ace,

Thanks, very chivalrous.

Now put on some pants and get out of my garbage.

MegynK

Posted by: some random meathead at August 25, 2015 01:54 PM (gbIds)

32
I'm just wondering when the Trump bashers are going to focus on WHAT he's saying that resonates so, and not on the one saying these things.

Could be instructive, if any of you truly care about returning this country to the image of a shining city on a hill.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 25, 2015 01:54 PM (jeCnD)

33 Thank You Ace for saying what I was afraid to say...

Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 01:54 PM (hUdMz)

34 >>>
Let's all get together behind a REAL candidate, one we can trust to Lead the Country. After all, a guy who disses Megyn Kelly is simply Not to Be Trusted!

hey fuck-face,

I didn't say anything like that, you stupid demagogic shitheel.

So go fuck you with your assholery, you cunt.

Fuck off and die

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 01:54 PM (dciA+)

35 I have to agree with Ace on this one. Pointless of Trump to keep kicking dirt on Kelly. Even if Ace is sitting behind the computer wearing a Caitlyn costume.

Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2015 01:54 PM (xWW96)

36 Oh, this should be good.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 25, 2015 01:54 PM (2ap0X)

37 You guys should do a podcast with Peggy Hubbard.

Posted by: Penfold at August 25, 2015 01:54 PM (Fbt5B)

38 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 25, 2015 01:54 PM (kff5f)

39 So, is this the 373rd declaration that "Trump is FINISHED -- he's really crossed the line this time!", or is it the 374th?

Posted by: zombie at August 25, 2015 01:54 PM (jBuUi)

40 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 25, 2015 01:54 PM (kff5f)

41 "And I wouldn't trust his psychology with the presidency.

As Peggy Hubbard might say:

Stop being a stupid little bitch and start talking like a god-damned grownup, you imbecile."

For me he's well past the point of no return even if he follows your advice and stops with this nonsense.

Not only are his personal and public positions and actions (past and present) abysmal, his temperament would render him a dangerous commander-in-chief. And his mocking of POWs disqualify him for that role, in my book.

I don't see how what he's doing is hurting the GOPe. It's hurting conservative voters who wanted to have a legitimate, accomplished conservative candidate to go up against the GOPe's pick(s).

Posted by: Y-not at August 25, 2015 01:54 PM (RWGcK)

42 >>>> What could he possibly be thinking?

If he's thinking scorched earth, destroy the Right as currently configured, I'm for it.

In that sense I'll finally get some representation. Too bad it had to go all this way but you can't say they weren't given plenty of chances.

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at August 25, 2015 01:55 PM (3ZtZW)

43 We talked about this this morning, but I kind of don't give a shit about Megyn (?) Kelly. She's a big girl. She can give it right back to him.

This is so Trump bein' Trump it hurts. What else would anybody expect here?

Posted by: Lea at August 25, 2015 01:55 PM (lIU4e)

44 I'ma jus a 500 Internal Server Error.

Nobody loves me ..................

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 01:55 PM (yMVjf)

45 Everyone - E V E R Y O N E - was waiting for this to happen.

I was hoping it wouldn't. Seems like too much of a coincedence; gift from the gods; collision of stars; (you see where I'm going with this.

If this was him, he was probably drunk. That would be the only possible excuse that people might - very long shot - buy.

This would be the biggest fork up in memory if he wasn't drunk, OR his account was legitimately hacked.

Otherwise, the Don is gone.

Posted by: My Account Was Hacked!!! at August 25, 2015 01:55 PM (BZAd3)

46
*tiptoes off to lunch*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 25, 2015 01:55 PM (9mTYi)

47 You sort of left out the part where most people are pissed off at Kelly, not Trump, for the debate. The top 5 Google questions about Trump:1: How Old? 2: How Tall? 3: Net worth? Do these sound like questions a Man would ask, or Women who want to know who the hell this guy is. Trump knows exactly what he is doing. You don't.

Posted by: GamecockJerry at August 25, 2015 01:55 PM (9KECb)

48 >>Trump is showing them that's not the case.

I'll take pyrrhic victory for $100 Alex.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 01:55 PM (OGm46)

49 A Good leader leads by example.

Posted by: Bosk at August 25, 2015 01:55 PM (n2K+4)

50 He's just doubling down on stupid.... Move on man already...

Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 01:55 PM (hUdMz)

51 If Trump really wants to get in a pissing death match with someone in the media, there are much better targets.

Posted by: tsj017 at August 25, 2015 01:55 PM (4YUWF)

52 >>>Dear ace,

Thanks, very chivalrous.

Now put on some pants and get out of my garbage.

MegynK

...

dear gay analingus provider,

I did not white knight for Megyn.

I swear, some of you Trump supporters are the stupidest, most ignorant, least-capable-of-actual-understanding twats in the world.

I questioned the wisdom of this -- I do not care about the "hurt" to Megyn Kelly who, by the way, is not hurt at all by this; she's laughing all the way to the bank, you hero-worshipping child.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 01:55 PM (dciA+)

53 "Megyn Kelly, who has a huge microphone and, PS, is one of the most respected anchors on the right"

Respected by who again exactly?

Megyn Kelly == Blowhard O'Really, with nicer gams.

That's pretty much the Kelly schtick.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 25, 2015 01:56 PM (noWW6)

54 He's appealing to the people who think FOXNews is shilling for the GOPe, whether they are or not. Although they do seem pretty high on amnesty.
So Trump takes another slap at Kelly, to 1. Take her down a peg and show he's not intimidated. 2. Signal his base that he's still with them against the establishment.
I think its an unnecessary fight. I'd be firing everything at the libs. But that's me, and I'm a moron, not a billionaire.

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 01:56 PM (9221z)

55 Ultimately, I think Trump is driven by ego more than anything else. More than desire for money, more than principle more than anything. So any attack on his ego or any slight he just goes nuts "avenging" until it looks ridiculous.

A bigger man would have shrugged and laughed at Rosie O'Donnell instead of going on a weeks-long rant fest like a middle school girl.

So yeah, tactically this isn't great, although its early. And it makes this run look more like a big self aggrandizement fest, which it probably is more than a serious drive for office. But at some point he really should dial it back and start working on the actual job instead of finding new and effective ways to get people to clap for him.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 25, 2015 01:56 PM (39g3+)

56 He is sucking all of the oxygen away from Cruz, and that pisses me off no end.

Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2015 01:56 PM (xWW96)

57 And then the fight started.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 01:52 PM (OGm46)

*thousand yard stare*

It was . . . .

You had to be there.

Nilla wafers ground under foot.

Jell-o salad dripping down the walls.

Cars left un-shammyed after being washed.

And what was done with the bags of lawn clippings?

*shudders in horror*

There are things of which one should never speak.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 25, 2015 01:56 PM (mf5HN)

58 maybe this is where he hands off to Cruz

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 01:56 PM (zOTsN)

59 I will say I don't think trump is actually mad here like Ace does. I think he's just...doing his schtick.

Posted by: Lea at August 25, 2015 01:56 PM (lIU4e)

60 Nobody loves me ..................
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC
----------------

Hey, I have to eat too.

Posted by: The Cosmic Bit Bucket at August 25, 2015 01:56 PM (9mTYi)

61 I have precisely zero confidence this would happen.

As always, I am not a Trump supporter. I am, however, immensely enjoying the spectacle of watching the shoe being slammed really really really hard on the other foot.

Exactly this.

Well, I am a Trump supporter in the "Burn it down" sense. Otherwise- exactly what AtC said.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 25, 2015 01:56 PM (kff5f)

62 37
You guys should do a podcast with Peggy Hubbard.

Posted by: Penfold at August 25, 2015 01:54 PM (Fbt5B)

Seconded!

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 01:57 PM (Vf5rR)

63 I've written this before, but Trump is the id. No filter.

Vote Trump 2016:

Why should only Canada get to have a Rob Ford?

Posted by: logprof at August 25, 2015 01:57 PM (vsbNu)

64 So go fuck you with your assholery, you cunt.
Fuck off and die
Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 01:54 PM

Great thoughtful riposte, Ace.

Really laid the ol' facts out there!

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 25, 2015 01:57 PM (SNBrO)

65 "I swear his campaign is borrowing from the WWE playbook."

OT, but speaking of WWE, what is Stu Liebowitz doing in these WWE broadcasts? Two in a row. Smacking people with chairs and getting tossed around himself.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 25, 2015 01:57 PM (LA7Cm)

66 This worries me too, Ace. He needs to stop ragging on Megyn Kelly. I'm just gonna keep watching him.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 25, 2015 01:57 PM (2x3L+)

67 Honestly, I don't see Kelly as "respected" any more. She went low and lying to try to "get" Trump because he's not establishment.

Fuck her. If you strike at a king, you must kill him. She struck, missed, and now she gets what she gets. SHE is the one that needs to put on big boy pants. I'm not impressed by the allegedly anti-establishment blogosphere white knighting for her.

Posted by: Phelps at August 25, 2015 01:57 PM (EAxV6)

68 I wish Mitt would have done something similar to Candy Crowley of CNN

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 01:57 PM (zOTsN)

69 This could be fun to watch:

Pro Trump Focus Group make Frank Lutz's legs wobble.

http://tinyurl.com/ouw8ckj

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 01:57 PM (yMVjf)

70 maybe this is where he hands off to Cruz
Posted by: ThunderB
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Too early in the game. We're only on the first down.

Posted by: The Cosmic Bit Bucket at August 25, 2015 01:57 PM (9mTYi)

71 ace, 2 million or so people watch Megyn Kelly on any given day.

We're a country of 320 million.

I don't think Megyn Kelly is anywhere near an important of an "avatar" as you think.

Just going by raw numbers...

And Fox? Again, only a tiny, tiny, per centage of the population watches Fox.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 01:58 PM (AkOaV)

72 Mr. Trump, could you please bash me or my girlfriend Chris Hayes. Pretty please!!! No one pays attention to us.

Posted by: Rachel Maddow at August 25, 2015 01:58 PM (OD2ni)

73 Here's my deal... the dude called someone's wife a bimbo. Call my wife a bimbo, and I'll bust you in your fat effin' face without hesitation. So he calls Megyn Kelly a bimbo... what he hell his this guy thinking?

Posted by: scottythrust at August 25, 2015 01:58 PM (E3dap)

74 *whispers*

TDS is real.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 25, 2015 01:58 PM (gbIds)

75 >>>I will say I don't think trump is actually mad here like Ace does. I think he's just...doing his schtick.

it's a stupid schtick. He is now baiting the most important Republican political institution into taking a hard position against him.

This is the guy who's going to negotiate the Mexican payment for the wall?

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 01:58 PM (dciA+)

76 Fcuk the GOPe.

As long as Trump is giving them what they deserve, I'm rooting for him.

The GOPe made Trump. They made him by treating us like dirt, over and over again. Even after we turned out in droves in 2 straight midterms. Even after we gave them both Houses of Congress.

Hey Boner, tell us what's so "haaaaard" now, you orange weeping buttfuck.

Hey Turtle, take your appeasement and shove it up your wrinkled rectum.

And to the Donor Class, so sorry you're seeing your influence and cocktail party invites in jeopardy. NOT.

Let them fcuking choke on it.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 25, 2015 01:58 PM (7ObY1)

77 Well, I am a Trump supporter in the "Burn it down" sense. Otherwise- exactly what AtC said.

Yeah, I don't really care whether Trump wins or not. What the heck he'd be fun to watch. I just wish people wouldn't get stars in their eyes about politicians. Never go full fanboy. Never.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 25, 2015 01:58 PM (39g3+)

78 How before Ace tells us if we don't vote for !jeb, we are destroying "his country"

?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at August 25, 2015 01:58 PM (y1PKa)

79 Megyn Crowley

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at August 25, 2015 01:58 PM (rwI+c)

80 Trump is being Trump. He's acting and talking no different than 20, 10, 5 years ago. What you see is what you get.

Posted by: wrg500 at August 25, 2015 01:58 PM (sgrzZ)

81 I am, however, immensely enjoying the spectacle

Rarely do so many pixels get slaughtered.

Posted by: DaveA at August 25, 2015 01:58 PM (DL2i+)

82 Why should only Canada get to have a Rob Ford?
Posted by: logprof at August 25, 2015 01:57 PM (vsbNu)

Yeah, why do they get to reincarnate Chris Farley?

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 01:58 PM (9221z)

83 >>>*whispers*

TDS is real.

...

hero-worshipping semi-faggotry is real too, Yo.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 01:58 PM (dciA+)

84 Suggestion: He is intentionally picking a fight with FOXN because it will appeal to LIVs (who hear FOXN is evil all the time) and conservatives who are pissed off that FOXN is too closely tied to the GOPe, especially on immigration.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2015 01:59 PM (78TbK)

85 And fcuk Megyn Crowley in particular.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 25, 2015 01:59 PM (7ObY1)

86 Nope..... Trump playing Chess....

Ace playing checkers.

You do know there is a YUGE group of viewers out there who hate Faux News? not just true believer progressives, but some in the middle?

By ALSO taking on Fox News, he is taking on ALL the MSM.... which sadly Fox news is more and more a part of.

If he went after every other media outlet EXCEPT Fox news... he would be branded by said media, as a lap dog of Fox News...

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 25, 2015 01:59 PM (qh617)

87 Jell-o salad dripping down the walls.

http://is.gd/kHZCk1

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 01:59 PM (/kI1Q)

88

With all due respect, how did the Rossie O'Donnel row hurt Trump.

It didn't. It helped him. He used it to raise his profile and keep it high in the media.

If Trump were as raving and thin-skinned as some would like to portray him: Why does he seem to carefully choose his timing?

In other words, why not rail against Kelly non-stop?

There is reason to believe Trump's decision to re-start this fight was a decision - not a reaction.
To be sure: What would he have been reacting to?

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 25, 2015 01:59 PM (l2dSQ)

89 40
Burn it down.

Scatter the stones.

Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 25, 2015 01:54 PM (kff5f)

Comb it down.
Scatter the strands.
Spray the dome until its glued.

Posted by: Trump's Merkin Helmet at August 25, 2015 01:59 PM (Vf5rR)

90 I think he's doing like he did with immigration; saying what no one else has the guts to say.

And that is that FOX News isn't Republican or Conservative.

Those are labels pinned on it by the LIBERAL MEDIA!!!

Fox News has just been more fair, more balanced and told the truth and told what was happening with less regard for any liberal, progressive, Democrat agenda like the other news orgs. Both Print and TV.

And that IS THE TRUTH. FOX IS NOT RIGHT WING. They just seem that way in comparison to the rest of the media. (who therefore hates them).

As to Megyn Kelly being some sort of Conservative Icon?

I don't think so. At best she's establishment and most likely just a good media manipulator.

She came after Trump using the same tactics any Liberal Media talking head would. Lots of innuendo without context, framing of the question to limit the answers and when she got pushed back about it she doubled down.

I don't hold it against her for doing so. That's her job. She was told to go after Trump and she did so.

But to act as if she's some sort of William F. Buckley in a Dress? I don't think so.

Just another Infotainment Industry Pretty Girl.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 25, 2015 02:00 PM (x3GpS)

91 see, if you stupid cunts know nothing but how to insult, see, I can insult too.

I presented my thoughts on an issue. You could now, like many other people are doing, present your thoughts.

Instead, you resort to the only thing you know how to do, which is insulting and calling any trump critic a RINO.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:00 PM (dciA+)

92 I've written this before, but Trump is the id. No filter.

The GOPe is too close to the problem. Monsters, John. Monsters from the Id!

Posted by: Dr. Ostrow at August 25, 2015 02:00 PM (yMVjf)

93 Ace. You should invite him to your podcast.

Posted by: Sponge at August 25, 2015 02:00 PM (F4u7C)

94 I kind of like would-be politicians calling out members of the press for what they really are for a change; agenda driven shills for whatever corporate master they happen to serve. Maybe it's just me.

Posted by: Foul Harold at August 25, 2015 02:00 PM (FGvan)

95 >>>The Establishment wouldn't like that, but they would probably have to go along with it.

Why exactly would they have to go along with it? The assumption that they would rather win with a party they don't control than lose with a party they do control doesn't seem to be supported by recent history. For that matter, this party has done everything it can to kneecap actual conservatives since 1964. Why should I believe that they would go along with it now?

I don't intend this to be a defense or Trump or an endorsement of him, more that I don't believe that too many in the donor class are willing to hold their noses in the way that I've been doing for many years.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at August 25, 2015 02:00 PM (JxMoP)

96 Also, it's not over with Kelly. She took off in the middle of the fight hoping it would all blow over. Guess what? It hasn't. Just because you have moved on doesn't mean she can call a time out and run out her clock. I think Trump is right to call her out on it because she needs it. Sorry the beta's can't understand it, but it's just the way it has to be. And we used to understand this before the whole male population turned into a NYC metrosexual.

Posted by: doc at August 25, 2015 02:00 PM (qcI0v)

97 And I do have to call BS on Kelly being "Conservative". She is a Ted Baxter with better hair. She proved it during the debate. No conservative ideas or philosophy was discussed. And the candidates conservatives wanted to hear from were silenced.

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 02:00 PM (9221z)

98 I will say I don't think trump is actually mad here like Ace does. I think he's just...doing his schtick.

Hounds and pounds. Gets free publicity.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2015 02:00 PM (k+zgr)

99 mcscribbler, random meathead,

you both demagogically distort what I said, insult me, and now you're playing the Woe Is Us card?

You little squealing gayboys. Get the fuck out of here before I really get mad.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:01 PM (dciA+)

100 Fet world problems:

Be jealous of your girlfriends girlfriend or
contemplate doubles.

Let the warrior have a shot at the master or
blow up the building.

Posted by: DaveA at August 25, 2015 02:01 PM (DL2i+)

101
You do know there is a YUGE group of viewers out there who hate Faux
News? not just true believer progressives, but some in the middle?

yeah I think some hero-worshipping semi-faggot might have mentioned that upthread...

Posted by: some random meathead at August 25, 2015 02:01 PM (gbIds)

102 56 He is sucking all of the oxygen away from Cruz, and that pisses me off no end.
Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2015 01:56 PM (xWW96)

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Why? Why is Trump sucking all the oxygen away from Cruz? Given that Trump is where he is at, what should Cruz do different?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 25, 2015 02:01 PM (LXJ1e)

103 >> ace, 2 million or so people watch Megyn Kelly on any given day.

>>We're a country of 320 million.

What percentage of that 320 million vote in the early Republican primaries which is what actually matters right now? I'd say the number is a lot closer to 2 million than 320. And the percentage of those early Republican voters who watch Fox is even higher.

If he were running for favorite boss on The Apprentice I would agree with you. He's running for the most powerful and solemn job in the land. Presidents don't often get in cat fights with popular reporters and win.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 02:01 PM (OGm46)

104
This is the guy who's going to negotiate the Mexican payment for the wall?

Yeah this is why I don't buy him as this great negotiator. He'd be great... up until someone made a crack about his hair or something and then he'd spend the rest of the time attacking that person and derailing the entire process.

However, I'm confident he KNOWS great negotiators and could put them to good use.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 25, 2015 02:01 PM (39g3+)

105 Maybe it's just me.
Posted by: Foul Harold at August 25, 2015 02:00 PM (FGvan)

Nope.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 02:02 PM (yMVjf)

106 48 >>Trump is showing them that's not the case.

I'll take pyrrhic victory for $100 Alex.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 01:55 PM (OGm46)

So SOP for the GOP then.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 25, 2015 02:02 PM (z/Ubi)

107 If he just drops it now he will be alright. No harm. Let's not make it out like he has his own server and is leaking secrets like what's her name

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:02 PM (gf8BH)

108 hero-worshipping semi-faggotry is real too, Yo.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 01:58 PM (dciA+)

Wow.... Trump supporters are Faggots now???

Really?

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 25, 2015 02:02 PM (qh617)

109 >>>I don't think so. At best she's establishment and most likely just a good media manipulator.

gee good point

i guess that's why i called her one of the most important Establishment avatars

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:02 PM (dciA+)

110 I don't need bridges I am the Batman. And jumping rivers is what he Batmobile was designed for. (at least the one in Batman Begins)

Posted by: YOOOOGE Batman at August 25, 2015 02:02 PM (XtAzU)

111 I swear, some of you Trump supporters are the stupidest, most ignorant, least-capable-of-actual-understanding twats in the world.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 01:55 PM (dciA+)

Would you say the Trump supporters are as stupid as the Palin supporters? On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being Palin supporters and 10 being smart Perry supporters, where do the Trump people rate?

Posted by: jwest at August 25, 2015 02:02 PM (Zs4uk)

112 Trump, Hillary, Biden, Cruz, etc. You all argue about these people as if it makes one bit of difference who wins. It doesn't.

Over eighteen trillion in debt. Hundreds of trillions in unfunded mandates. Massive funemployment. Unchecked illegal immigration. Insane SJW's ruling by emotion. But, perhaps worst of all, a vast, unaccountable bureaucracy that will never shrink, issuing soul-crushing regulations, rules and mandates.

Vote or don't vote. Won't make a difference.

Concentrate on your family and friends.

Man, I need to go for a walk or something. I depressed myself.

Posted by: jjod at August 25, 2015 02:02 PM (3UYA8)

113
To be clear, Trump is the RINO-est RINO in the history of RINOs.

His conservative fans either like him because they are LIVs or because they like that he is giving the middle finger to the establishment.

Posted by: dan-O at August 25, 2015 02:02 PM (ByqK7)

114 It works for obama.

Posted by: Buffalbob at August 25, 2015 02:02 PM (DUY2z)

115 be interesting if it make the press more or less pliant to him, whatever Ailes says

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 02:02 PM (zOTsN)

116 Fiery rhetoric can't melt bridges!!!!!

Posted by: Rosie O'Dumbbell at August 25, 2015 02:02 PM (JCWve)

117 you can't say I'm anti-Trump

But will the pants remark earn AoSHQ a direct tweet?

Posted by: DaveA at August 25, 2015 02:02 PM (DL2i+)

118 Megyn Kelly is not a superstar.

She's just another MSM pull-string doll.

Posted by: Positive Waves at August 25, 2015 02:03 PM (MQEz6)

119 >>>Wow.... Trump supporters are Faggots now???

Really?

...

here we go with the SJW butthurt -- toss out insults, they cry foul when they're returned in kind.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:03 PM (dciA+)

120 You know. I'm beginning to think that Ace doesn't like this Trump fellow....

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at August 25, 2015 02:03 PM (UPYPp)

121 I just had an idea...Megyn Kelly should announce her candidacy for President!

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 02:03 PM (2Ojst)

122 If you aren't totally supportive of calling Megyn Kelly a bimbo you are a RINO!

Or something.

Posted by: blaster at August 25, 2015 02:03 PM (uh2Uo)

123 Easy there Big Dog.....

I attack the media and Megyn Kelly because everyone hates their guts and it's easy.

Plan? Who needs a plan when you got money and the dim witted voters will vote for me "because".

These are the same idiots who bought/buy the Chevy Volt, Budweiser and that idiotic brass ring they wore around their wrist like it did any good.

Stay tuned I am just getting warmed up.

Vote Trump!2016...because everyone hates the media and knows they are full of shit.

Posted by: Donald Trump at August 25, 2015 02:03 PM (D0NZx)

124 I do think Ace is overstating Megyn Kelly's significance in the scheme of things, though.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 25, 2015 02:03 PM (39g3+)

125 Answer: He's not thinking, he's emoting, Megyn Kelly made him feel bad with her pointed questions and Insolent Journalism and now he's going to obsess about that hurt forever and ever, as he did with Rosie O'Donnell.

It's one thing to burn your bridges behind you. It's quite another thing to burn the bridges which are absolutely required for your passage before you've crossed them at all
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Fuck that. She targeted him in a partisan way. So fuck her.

These "impartial" journalist shits need to be called out on their shitty dishonest behavior. Trump doesn't need Fox support to win. Perhaps they will deep six Kelly, which would be great. Fuck you, partisan bitch. I don't give a shit that you have "icy arian fury". Fuck off.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 02:03 PM (E5UB0)

126 Instead, you resort to the only thing you know how to do, which is insulting and calling any trump critic a RINO.

What You said...

Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 02:03 PM (hUdMz)

127 84 Suggestion: He is intentionally picking a fight with FOXN because it will appeal to LIVs (who hear FOXN is evil all the time) and conservatives who are pissed off that FOXN is too closely tied to the GOPe, especially on immigration.
Posted by: 18-1

I tend to agree.

Trumps is crazy like a fox.

He's about in 13th place on my list of favorite Republican candidates, but I don't think he's as stupid as many accuse him of being.

Trump plays big -- very big. He Kobayashi Marus the fuck out of everything. For him, rules exist only to be shredded.

Posted by: zombie at August 25, 2015 02:03 PM (jBuUi)

128 I am forced to ask, however: would the proprietor and other right-leaning media/blogger types be as critical of Trump if his target were, say, Candy Crowley or Chuck Todd?

Because I think fewer and fewer people in flyover America are view Fox as "their ally."

Less antagonistic than CNN or MSNBC? Absolutely. An "ally?" Not so much.

This is not to defend Trump's tactic here (though I am far from convinced this will work out all that badly for him), as it is seldom wise to pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel.

However, if he is viewing Fox as "just part of the Media" then perhaps this more reasonable. (Note: "more reasonable" is not necessarily "reasonable.")

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 25, 2015 02:03 PM (kff5f)

129 121
I just had an idea...Megyn Kelly should announce her candidacy for President!

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 02:03 PM (2Ojst)

brilliant......

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 25, 2015 02:04 PM (0O7c5)

130 trumps and idiot? lol.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 25, 2015 02:04 PM (0O7c5)

131 35 I have to agree with Ace on this one. Pointless of Trump to keep kicking dirt on Kelly. Even if Ace is sitting behind the computer wearing a Caitlyn costume.
Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2015 01:54 PM (xWW96)

Why?

I don't get this -- Megyn Kelly tried her damndest to tank Trump in the debate. It was a carnival show. Fox made a mockery out of the whole debate process (well, it's been a mockery for a while, but cmon Fox...).

Trump should ruin her if he can. Because, fuck her.

Folks, this is why the D's agenda keeps moving forward -- they take no prisoners. The R's sit around all weak kneed and scared of "offending the wrong people". We constantly say that's what we want to see in politicians -- the zeal and unapologetic way D's are always advancing their agenda instead of retreating and "compromising" like the R's.

Yet people are outraged that Trump won't make up with Megyn. I don't get it.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (AkOaV)

132 Why? Why is Trump sucking all the oxygen away from Cruz? Given that Trump is where he is at, what should Cruz do different?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 25, 2015 02:01 PM (LXJ1e)

Very simple. Trump gets 90% of the coverage, the rest of the candidates get the final begrudging 10%.

Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (xWW96)

133 People are forgetting whose blog it is.

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (RD7QR)

134 If he went after every other media outlet EXCEPT Fox news... he would be branded by said media, as a lap dog of Fox News...
Posted by: BB Wolf at August 25, 2015 01:59 PM (qh617)

------------------------

That is a good point. If you are going to win over Democrats, do you do it by being the Yes man to Fox News.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (LXJ1e)

135
If Trump manages to get Fox News to snipe back at him (in high profile fashion), this will help not hurt Trump.

Trump is likely looking to maintain his momentum.

Megyn Kelly is an excellent anchor. She's not a conservative thru-and-thru. But she is right of center. She does good, hard, excellent work.

But she also made a choice to ask a question implying that Trump dislikes women. - As opposed to the reality which is that Trump dislikes nasty women like Rosie O'Donnel.

Megyn Kelly is a big girl, she'll survive this tiff that Trump has tactically decided to restart - but which she originally started.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (l2dSQ)

136 it's a stupid schtick.

OF course it is. It's Donald Trump!

Did none of you watch the apprentice?

Posted by: Lea at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (lIU4e)

137
However, if he is viewing Fox as "just part of the Media" then perhaps this more reasonable. (Note: "more reasonable" is not necessarily "reasonable.")

Well He sure as Hell spends a lot of time on the "enemy" Fox channel...

Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (hUdMz)

138 *Opens door, peeks in, thinks about dropping a comment on topic*

*Backs slowly away and slams door*

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (2z4UX)

139 135th!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (6xtq3)

140 Arians believed Christ was a created being, not God.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (E5UB0)

141 be interesting if it make the press more or less pliant to him

His first salvo did, but I'm not sure about continuing like this.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (39g3+)

142 "You little squealing gayboys. Get the fuck out of here before I really get mad."

You won't like him when he's really mad.

Posted by: Bruce Banner at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (OD2ni)

143 Damnit!

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (6xtq3)

144 Should be noted that Trump did not call Megyn Kelly a bimbo. He retweeted a tweet from one of his true believers who was calling Megyn Kelly a bimbo.

Because Donald Trump is the kind of guy who doesn't come at you directly. Instead, he uses sycophants and flunkies to call you names and tear you down.

I know, let's make that sleazy rat bastard the GOP nominee.

Posted by: troyriser at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (Bvf82)

145
And this is why I will not seek re-election....

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (iQIUe)

146 >>> am forced to ask, however: would the proprietor and other right-leaning media/blogger types be as critical of Trump if his target were, say, Candy Crowley or Chuck Todd?

Because I think fewer and fewer people in flyover America are view Fox as "their ally."

Less antagonistic than CNN or MSNBC? Absolutely. An "ally?" Not so much.

...

does anyone read the post? I specifically say this is a stupid move because Fox is -- despite my own dislike of it -- the most important institution in the GOP. It is in fact GOP TV.

Is anyone going to argue with shit I actually said or is it all going to be pretending I said things that, say, Noah Rothman said two weeks ago?

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (dciA+)

147 But this kind of junior higher nonsense makes me wonder what the hell this idiot would do if his opposite number in China refuses one of his "deals."

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 01:51 PM (dciA+)

Apologies if this has been noted before, but - Teh Donald must have lost business negotiations in his career. How did he handle those? Did he go on a public rampage or did he accept it as one of the losses that come around? Because I think how he handled those losses is a key to how he would handle "his opposite number in China."

Now, I agree with Ace that this continued pummeling of Megyn Kelly is not a good thing, but bear with me - is, perhaps, Trump using her pour encourager les autres? IOW, by pounding at her, is he signaling to the rest of the MFM, "you hit me with a bullshit question like this bimbo did, and I'll mail your ass back to you in a Pringles can!"

I don't know.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (zF6Iw)

148 So Ace, please tell us how you really feel about being called a RINO? I kid, I kid.

Posted by: Penfold at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (Fbt5B)

149 As I understood it, Trump didn't write the tweet. He just retweeted a comment made by someone else. Is this true or not?

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (P25Hh)

150 Talked with an absolutely classic LIV type this last weekend, the sort of person for whom "keeping up with the news" involves looking through the captioned cat pictures on her Facebook feed.

She said, "Oh my god, can you IMAGINE that horrible Donald Trump wants to be President?"

I said, "What do you find horrible about Trump?"

She said, "He's SUCH a misogynist. He treats women like DIRT. Just completely DISRESPECTFUL."

I said, "To which specific instances of this are you referring? Names, dates?"

Cue the shrugging and stammering and darting eyes. "Well, you know, EVERYONE is TALKING about it, so it MUST be true."

Indeed. The allegation itself suffices. Facts be damned. The classic mantra of the social justice warrior. Carrying on the classic rule of the old hard left: sentence first, trial later.

This is, needless to say, total bullshit.

And it's total bullshit that Megyn Kelly actively endorsed and promulgated. With her claiming that Trump spoke in undignified terms about a woman (who was on a reality TV show, fer Chrissake, one of the most undignified undertakings on the planet), while Kelly couldn't even be bothered with the basic Journo 101 work of contacting the individual in question to get her side of the story. Said individual having in reality nothing but words of praise for Don Trump and his personal deportment on set.

Trump is correct to be pissed. This was an outright attempt at dishonest character assassination, using the classic tools of the left, coming from an ostensibly right-wing media outlet. (But of course there's not much that's genuinely right-wing about Megyn Kelly's boss, the Jeb! backer, amnesty pusher, and crony capitalist Rupert Murdoch.)

Posted by: torquewrench at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (noWW6)

151 Would Megyn Kelly have accepted the pudding?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (rwI+c)

152 139 135th!
Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (6xtq3)

It's within the margin of error. If it's good enough for pollsters...

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 02:06 PM (2Ojst)

153 >>>There is reason to believe Trump's decision to re-start this fight was a decision - not a reaction.
To be sure: What would he have been reacting to?
Posted by: _Dave_ at August 25, 2015 01:59 PM (l2dSQ)

This is a plausible explanation. He started this shit back up purposely. I don't think this helps him this time around. He sounds like an asshole. It's one thing for him to retweet someone else calling Megyn Kelly a bimbo, but this time he's calling her a bimbo himself. He's being a dick.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 25, 2015 02:06 PM (2x3L+)

154 " is one of the most respected anchors on the right, oh, and also, by the way, pissing off the most important Republican institution, which isn't the RNC, of course, but rather FoxNews."

That argument went out the window when Megyn adopted the Liberal's 'war on wimminz' meme. When Megyn admits to being a liberal tool during that interview, I suspect she and Trump will be seen sharing a cruller and coffee.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 25, 2015 02:06 PM (TYZLQ)

155 119 >>>Wow.... Trump supporters are Faggots now???

Really?

...

here we go with the SJW butthurt -- toss out insults, they cry foul when they're returned in kind.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:03 PM (dciA+)

Wow.... really? Now I'm a faggoty SJW butthurt?

Think I'll take a break from here today....

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 25, 2015 02:06 PM (qh617)

156 You there are two types of passions. Passionate love and passionate hate.

Sometimes the two co-exist.

I would hazard a guess that while Trump passionately hates MK, he really passionately loves her.

Because he can't passionately love her, his frustrations manifest themselves as resentful attacks.

He needs to talk to a therapist to work this shit out.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 25, 2015 02:06 PM (4AVeu)

157 We've lived the last 7 years with a narcissist juvenile idiot demigod as President. I don't want the same thing even if it's on the "Republican" side. Yes I want a fighter and someone that pushes back HARD. Yes I like Trump's aggressivness. But there's a difference between juvenile and adult behavior. He's sliding over to the juvenile side of the spectrum.

Posted by: Bosk at August 25, 2015 02:06 PM (n2K+4)

158 They are both in the entertainment business, enjoy the show, that's all there is.

Posted by: SarahW at August 25, 2015 02:06 PM (3fTXW)

159 133 People are forgetting whose blog it is.
Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (RD7QR)

Breitbart only came for the comments.

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 02:06 PM (9221z)

160 133
People are forgetting whose blog it is.

I think that someone not throwing a tantrum made that very clear.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 25, 2015 02:06 PM (gbIds)

161 This worries me. He does not seem capable of just shaking it off and moving on. He seems to be frozen forever at his point of psychological pain-ace

We have had 8 years of revenge, getting even and one upmanship. Its time for f*cking grown up. Yes, Donald, pull up your big boy pants.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 25, 2015 02:06 PM (J3phO)

162 ...Well, that escalated quickly.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 25, 2015 02:06 PM (Ck8hC)

163 I still don't get how supposed conservatives can tell me on twitter that they don't care whether trump is a conservative or not, they're supporting him because, quote HE GET'S THINGS DONE unquote. Yeah he's gotten a lot business things done, still doesn't mean he's capable of being a good president. And if you don't care about his lack of conservatism, you might want to think real hard about why you still think you're a conservative, 'cause buddy, a conservative you ain't.

My 2cents and back to the lurk-o-sphere.

Posted by: Mr. Mxyzptlk at August 25, 2015 02:07 PM (kHJ3a)

164 133 People are forgetting whose blog it is.
Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM

not buzzion's. He is dead.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 25, 2015 02:07 PM (J3phO)

165

petty, small, nuts I buy all that

could still be calculated. "Watch what I do to a journalist who comes after me" osrt of thing

maybe the others will tread lightly.

see soft ball interviews with Fidel, et al

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 02:07 PM (zOTsN)

166 It is in fact GOP TV.

True, and so very very sad.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 25, 2015 02:07 PM (rwI+c)

167 Based on the premise that Megyn Kelly is important makes this post complete horse shit.

Ace:

"Stop being a stupid little bitch and start talking like a god-damned grownup, you imbecile."

Take your own advice.

Posted by: gh at August 25, 2015 02:07 PM (YlqSL)

168 @144 I know, let's make that sleazy rat bastard the GOP nominee.

John McCain isn't running this time around. Sorry.

Posted by: Foul Harold at August 25, 2015 02:07 PM (FGvan)

169
To be clear: Trump has never said anything that suggests he dislikes women in general.
He has only said things that indicates he dislikes PARTICULAR persons who happen to be women. Nasty persons like Rosie O'Donnel.

Megyn Kelly decided to attack him on this. Her problem. Not his.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 25, 2015 02:07 PM (l2dSQ)

170 The only solution is to get all american men to get their penises and testicles removed.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 02:07 PM (E5UB0)

171 >>>I don't get this -- Megyn Kelly tried her damndest to tank Trump in the debate....

so palin-supporter-esque

it's all just vengeance, vengeance, vengeance against your oppressors

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:07 PM (dciA+)

172 158 They are both in the entertainment business, enjoy the show, that's all there is.
Posted by: SarahW at August 25, 2015 02:06 PM (3fTXW)

Trump did say his showing up on the Kelly file would be great for ratings. Could be all staged.

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 02:07 PM (9221z)

173 @65: "OT, but speaking of WWE, what is Stu Liebowitz doing in these WWE broadcasts?"

There's a weird nexus of people who know one another and really dig the WWE: Jon Stewart, Jimmy Kimmel, Bill Simmons, Michelle Beadle, most of Grantland, etc.

I think it's a hoot. Shows that some of them really don't take themselves all too seriously.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 25, 2015 02:07 PM (kqGWM)

174 We have had 8 years of revenge, getting even and one upmanship. Its time for f*cking grown up. Yes, Donald, pull up your big boy pants

Agreed...

Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 02:07 PM (hUdMz)

175 Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (AkOaV)

Because it's fucking petty and small.

Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2015 02:07 PM (xWW96)

176 Have I mentioned that I'd like to see Megyn naked?

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:08 PM (6xtq3)

177 " by the way, pissing off the most important Republican institution, which isn't the RNC, of course, but rather FoxNews."

Heh.

Posted by: Shepp at August 25, 2015 02:08 PM (TYZLQ)

178 He could still go after Kelly, but do it in a way that reminds people she's part of the media, distracting the people by opening a debate with a question related to the war on women meme. My guess is the responses that sound like a 15 year old from DU wrote them are the reason that Roger Stone quit... Stone thought this was a serious campaign that could win - and Trump figured it was for exposure.

The candidate that understands the media is the enemy and is prepared to not only neutralize them, but embarrass them on a national stage is going to win. Trump had a chance to embarrass Kelly and destroy the entire War on Women BS, but instead went on about blood or something. Even now - he had a chance to dismiss Kelly after her vacation and his rise in numbers, but he went back into the gutter.

Posted by: Reality Man at August 25, 2015 02:08 PM (9AQdP)

179 I get what you are saying, but the question is: do we really give a damn that someone is being mean to a reporter? I think there are a lot of folks that are fed up with their partisanship.

Posted by: notsothoreau at August 25, 2015 02:08 PM (5HBd1)

180 You know. I'm beginning to think that Ace doesn't like this Trump fellow....

I'm starting to get that impression myself.

I just want to leave this here.
http://is.gd/MWduYQ

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 02:08 PM (/kI1Q)

181 When Trump's numbers start going down is when he needs to stop what he's doing.

Posted by: gh at August 25, 2015 02:08 PM (YlqSL)

182 >>He's running for the most powerful and solemn job in the land. Presidents don't often get in cat fights with popular reporters and win.

***Note defending Trump***

They used to not get into catfights and slander their own citizens until Obama. He started this crap, this demagogueing subsets of Americans - jet-owners, cops, Wall Street, "tea baggers", people clinging to their guns 'n bibles, etc.

This is where 6+ years of Obama, Democrats (especially Reid and Pelosi) and the Left feeling comfortable enough to let the mask slip.

I HATE it - but how do we return to a more civilized time?

Posted by: Lizzy at August 25, 2015 02:08 PM (NOIQH)

183 >>I don't get this -- Megyn Kelly tried her damndest to tank Trump in the debate. It was a carnival show. Fox made a mockery out of the whole debate process (well, it's been a mockery for a while, but cmon Fox...).

How? By asking him about his own words? Why are things Trump said off limits and some sort of attack?

I think some of you make far too much of Kelly attacking Trump. Tough questions, you bet but a brutal attack making the debate into a joke? Nah.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 02:08 PM (OGm46)

184 *peers around*

I'm guessing this here is the circular firing squad thread?

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 25, 2015 02:08 PM (/Ho8c)

185 Because he can't passionately love her, his frustrations manifest themselves as resentful attacks.

He needs to talk to a therapist to work this shit out.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 25, 2015 02:06 PM (4AVeu

Or a divorce attorney over drinks.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 25, 2015 02:08 PM (J3phO)

186
This business will get out of control! It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it!

Posted by: Admiral Penfold Painter at August 25, 2015 02:08 PM (Fbt5B)

187
I just want to leave this here.
http://is.gd/MWduYQ

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 02:08 PM (/kI1Q)

A designer deuce?

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 02:09 PM (2Ojst)

188 10 by the way you can't say I'm anti-Trump as I spent all last week arguing on Trump's behalf and pointing out that he was likely to win, and that we should start accommodating ourselves to that.

Privately -- though I didn't say this on the blog -- i went further and I said "I'm warming up to Trump."

But this kind of junior higher nonsense makes me wonder what the hell this idiot would do if his opposite number in China refuses one of his "deals."

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 01:51 PM (dciA+)

Yeah I don't get this rehashing the Megyn stuff either. Better to move forward and do that stuff to retards like Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton.

Also, I think it would be wise to begin firing salvos against Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren because I think there's going to be some big news on that front very, very soon.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 25, 2015 02:09 PM (oFCZn)

189 >>>To be clear: Trump has never said anything that suggests he dislikes women in general.
He has only said things that indicates he dislikes PARTICULAR persons who happen to be women. Nasty persons like Rosie O'Donnel.

Megyn Kelly decided to attack him on this. Her problem. Not his.

...

you may be about to discover it's also his problem, Super-Fan.

>>>Based on the premise that Megyn Kelly is important makes this post complete horse shit.

yes, let's deny reality. Number one rated anchor on Fox, with big across-the-aisle respectability.

let's pretend that no one likes the people we don't like.

let's all be rightwing Pauline Kaels -- I don't see how Megyn Kelly is the number one rated draw on cable news; no one *I* know watches her.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:09 PM (dciA+)

190 If he were running for favorite boss on The Apprentice I would agree with you. He's running for the most powerful and solemn job in the land. Presidents don't often get in cat fights with popular reporters and win.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 02:01 PM (OGm46)

in R primaries? Millions and millions. Many, many more than 2 million, that's for sure.

And how many of those 2 million Megyn voters are also primary voters? I'm sure some, but not all. And how many are fanatical about Megyn and how many just have Fox on in the background?

And what do you think the General Election is? It's American Idol. That's what our country has turned in to. Very few people vote on the issues.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:09 PM (AkOaV)

191 He's in campaign mode. He's fighting and won't quit. He's a take no prisoners type of fighter.

When Obama trashed him at that correspondence dinner, he took it. He's not forgotten it but it was in his interest at the time to suck it up and not hit back. Revenge is a dish best served cold. SO he can temper himself when he needs to. Campaign season is NOT the time to temper himself.

Plus as president, they'll mostly be kissing his ass and treating him with more dignity and respect as a general rule.

I've read Kelly was up to her old tricks last night and deserves the beatings she is getting. He'll probably get another bump up in the polls. That's how angry the base is with ANY of the establishment and FOX is very part and parcel to of the Cheap Labor Express/Elite/Uniparty.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 25, 2015 02:09 PM (OIgIO)

192 So pissing off Fox News is supposed to be a BAD thing?

Why?

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2015 02:09 PM (TOk1P)

193 "Stop being a stupid little bitch and start talking like a god-damned grownup, you imbecile."

Trump or Megyn?

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 25, 2015 02:09 PM (TYZLQ)

194 I would hazard a guess that while Trump passionately hates MK, he really passionately loves her.

Because he can't passionately love her, his frustrations manifest themselves as resentful attacks.

OTOH, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, Sigmund.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 25, 2015 02:09 PM (8ZskC)

195 You know this is a Megyn Kelly thread, and there's no pics? Where's the fan service? Geez

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 02:10 PM (9221z)

196 His conservative fans either like him because they are LIVs

Incorrect.

or because they like that he is giving the middle finger to the establishment.
Posted by: dan-O at August 25, 2015 02:02 PM (ByqK7)

Correct.

Trumps is crazy like a fox.

He's about in 13th place on my list of favorite Republican candidates, but I don't think he's as stupid as many accuse him of being.

Trump plays big -- very big. He Kobayashi Marus the fuck out of everything. For him, rules exist only to be shredded.
Posted by: zombie at August 25, 2015 02:03 PM (jBuUi)

*ding! ding! ding!*

FUXNews plays Conservatives as much, if not more, than the GOPe does.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 02:10 PM (yMVjf)

197
I have more pressing problems - they are getting rid of Joy-Joy. She is being sent back to the herd she came from. That is fancy talk for being turned into a kebob.

I always thought she was cute. Sure, she'll break your kneecaps but do it cutely...

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 25, 2015 02:10 PM (iQIUe)

198 let's all be rightwing Pauline Kaels -- I don't see how Megyn Kelly is the number one rated draw on cable news; no one *I* know watches her.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:09 PM (dciA+)

Megyn passed OReilly in the ratings?

Good for her if true.

Still, only .00625 of the population watches her on any given night.

...So...

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:10 PM (AkOaV)

199
Elle @ comment # 151:

Good points you make.
I'm not making an argument that this is a WISE choice by Trump. (I'd have advised against it.)
I'm just saying that there is good reason to believe this isn't an emotional and un-reasoned act by Trump.

Right or wrong, Trump sees an advantage to be exploited here.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 25, 2015 02:10 PM (l2dSQ)

200 RINO!!!!!

Posted by: True Con Inquisition at August 25, 2015 02:10 PM (xudgf)

201 I would pay a LOT of attention to her if she was, you know, naked.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:10 PM (6xtq3)

202 You know. I'm beginning to think that Ace doesn't like this Trump fellow.

I think its more he's not fond of being called a RINO and a white knight when he criticizes something Trump does. Remember, Ace is having, by his own words, a bad week. So that can make you react more strongly than you might otherwise.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 25, 2015 02:10 PM (39g3+)

203 Trump or Megyn?

Ace.

Posted by: gh at August 25, 2015 02:10 PM (YlqSL)

204

Not today.

Enjoy the day, good people.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 25, 2015 02:11 PM (jeCnD)

205 As Peggy Hubbard might say:

Stop being a stupid little bitch and start talking like a god-damned grownup, you imbecile.

and Peggy Hubbard would be right too

Posted by: MTF at August 25, 2015 02:11 PM (LISuA)

206 I took avatar to mean someone/thing respected more than I believe she deserves but I see what you meant now.

I just think you're crediting Trump with less sense than he has. I think he thinks about what he's saying and doing more than most folks give him credit for.

Plus I can't argue against success. Whatever he's doing, however he's doing it, it's working.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 25, 2015 02:11 PM (x3GpS)

207 Obviously unfit, unlike myself.

Posted by: Yeb at August 25, 2015 02:11 PM (Mob2r)

208 Ace likes Megyn! Ace likes Megyn!
Ace and Megyn sitting in a tree....

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 02:12 PM (9221z)

209
I confess, I have - to my great surprise - become a Trump Super Fan.

:-)

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 25, 2015 02:12 PM (l2dSQ)

210 >>>You know. I'm beginning to think that Ace doesn't like this Trump fellow....

you're such a fucking idiot. I spent the whole last week being one of the few bloggers who was coming out as pro-trump.

Some of you -- not all of you, just some -- are simply incapable of any kind of nuanced thought .Everything with this type is Hero and Villain. Either you LOVE EVERYTHING SOMEONE DOES or you HATE THAT PERSON.

Did none of the Trump crowd notice that all last week I was making arguments in trump's favor?

Could it not be the case that, unlike you, who craft your arguments according to the conclusion that is stuck in your pointed heads like an idee fixee, I actually gather information and evaluate things case-by-case and call things as I see them?

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:12 PM (dciA+)

211 it was a retweet of someone else calling her a bimbo

not classy and stupid to retweet

critisizing her? dont think its a big deal

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 02:12 PM (zOTsN)

212 I like Megyn Kelly. For every Trump she made uncomfortable, she has ravaged a hundred Al Sharptons. Simple truth.

Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2015 02:12 PM (xWW96)

213 JackStraw:

"Presidents don't often get in cat fights with popular reporters and win."

Unpopular reporters, however, are fair game:

Bush - "That's Adam Clymer, major-league asshole for the New York Times."

Cheney, in a serene and deep voice: "Oh yeah, he is, big-time."

That's one of my favorite the-mike-was-on? moments, though Congressman Martin Hoke of Ohio still takes the cake.

Posted by: JPS at August 25, 2015 02:12 PM (Efsx0)

214 "I'm guessing this here is the circular firing squad thread?"

That is the entire GOP, basically.

Posted by: gh at August 25, 2015 02:12 PM (YlqSL)

215 It is in fact GOP TV.

True, and so very very sad.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 25, 2015 02:07 PM (rwI+c)

------------------------------------------

Agree.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2015 02:12 PM (P25Hh)

216 I'm guessing this here is the circular firing squad thread?
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 25, 2015 02:08 PM (/Ho8c)

*adjusts PASGT and scrunches down in the Fighting Position, laughing*

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 02:13 PM (yMVjf)

217 >>in R primaries? Millions and millions. Many, many more than 2 million, that's for sure.

It's usually over by Florida so yea, the number is a hell of a lot closer to 2 million than 320. Not even half that number vote in the general for both sides.

But if you think having Trump go after Kelly over and over and with increasingly harsh language then have at it. I don't think it's a winning strategy.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 02:13 PM (OGm46)

218 73 Here's my deal... the dude called someone's wife a bimbo. Call my wife a bimbo, and I'll bust you in your fat effin' face without hesitation. So he calls Megyn Kelly a bimbo... what he hell his this guy thinking?

He's thinking that Kelly's husband is a manboob who wouldn't crack an egg in a food fight.

And Trump's right.

Posted by: Phelps at August 25, 2015 02:13 PM (EAxV6)

219 Now, I agree with Ace that this continued pummeling of Megyn Kelly is not a good thing, but bear with me - is, perhaps, Trump using her pour encourager les autres? IOW, by pounding at her, is he signaling to the rest of the MFM, "you hit me with a bullshit question like this bimbo did, and I'll mail your ass back to you in a Pringles can!"

I don't know.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (zF6Iw)

__________________

That's exactly what he is doing.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 25, 2015 02:13 PM (LXJ1e)

220 I just want to leave this here.
http://is.gd/MWduYQ

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 02:08 PM

Jello and beans? Somethings were never meant to be combined.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 25, 2015 02:13 PM (J3phO)

221 Wait, so Megyn Kelly's NOT a bimbo?

*hastily deletes Trump/Megyn fanfic novel*

Posted by: chemjeff at August 25, 2015 02:13 PM (2ap0X)

222 Don't bring me into this fight. I'm dead.

Posted by: Pauline Kael at August 25, 2015 02:13 PM (8ZskC)

223
Lets face it. Trump is a breath of less shitty air in a political environment that the shit's so thick, you haven't smelled fresh air in 25 years.

Is he an awesome candidate? No. He's pulling the curtain back on libs and their policies and flipping the bird to the establishment right and Americans are loving it.
He may not win, but he's opened the door for American's to wake up and get involved in this mess and make REAL changes.

I'm on board with that.

Posted by: Sponge at August 25, 2015 02:13 PM (F4u7C)

224 "That argument went out the window when Megyn adopted the Liberal's 'war on wimminz' meme."

Also goes to show how deeply the unreason has permeated American public discourse when not a single person on that debate stage took thirty seconds to challenge the premise of Megyn Kelly's comments, that there is a "war on women" in America.

American women now graduate from universities at markedly higher rates than men. American women enjoy lower unemployment rates than do men. American women have a workplace death rate that's a tiny fraction of the male rate. American women outlive their male counterparts by many years.

War on women? What the numbers show is a war on men.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 25, 2015 02:13 PM (noWW6)

225
*teasing* :
K - I - S - S - I - N - G

(Hey, is there room for me?!)

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 25, 2015 02:13 PM (l2dSQ)

226 Couldn't agree more, Ace. It shows a flaw, a major flaw. He should have taken the high road and planted a "seed" of discontent but then held Kelly closer. What he is doing now is dumb.

Posted by: Walknot at August 25, 2015 02:13 PM (FnHBZ)

227 How? By asking him about his own words? Why are things Trump said off limits and some sort of attack?

I think some of you make far too much of Kelly attacking Trump. Tough questions, you bet but a brutal attack making the debate into a joke? Nah.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 02:08 PM (OGm46)

...the entire debate was designed to tank Trump. Go re-read the questions from the moderators if you don't believe me.

And look, I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm a Rand supporter if anything. But I like the "fuck it" nature of Trump.

I'm just saying 75% of the questions / topics at the debate were specifically designed to hurt Trump. And Fox failed big time, because everyone saw what they were doing and it only increased Trump's popularity.

Tough questions? Please.

Tough questions are about policy, not "do you promise to never run third party?" "why did you call women fat slobs? Are you advancing a war on women?" "other candidates, do you have anything negative you'd like to add about Trump?"

It was silly.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:13 PM (AkOaV)

228 Ace you cuckservative traitor, Trump is putting that Bimbo in her place. He has exposed the Bolshevik agenda of Fox News. True conservatives are rallying to Trump because they know he speaks for the majority population.

Your anti Trump screed will be remembered and like Fox, you will be destroted. Trump remembers his enemies. He has many eyes and ears.

Posted by: Fox is done! at August 25, 2015 02:14 PM (gxyha)

229 They used to not get into catfights and slander their own citizens
until Obama. He started this crap, this demagogueing subsets of
Americans - jet-owners, cops, Wall Street, "tea baggers", people
clinging to their guns 'n bibles, etc.

This week we're "crazies."

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 02:14 PM (/kI1Q)

230 140 Arians believed Christ was a created being, not God.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (E5UB0)

Not me. I don't believe in God.

Posted by: Arian Foster at August 25, 2015 02:14 PM (vsbNu)

231 Trump was much more fun when it didn't look like the SOB could actually win.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 25, 2015 02:14 PM (9krrF)

232 Trump looks like a pompous ass when He goes off on these silly vendettas.... He needs to shut up, and move on to the issues.......We don't need another sniveling, petulant, President...

Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 02:14 PM (hUdMz)

233 is he signaling to the rest of the MFM, "you hit me with a bullshit question like this bimbo did, and I'll mail your ass back to you in a Pringles can!"

I don't know.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (zF6Iw)

He's made his point. He needs to let it go.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 25, 2015 02:14 PM (J3phO)

234 So, this may come as a surprise to some of you here, but I think Ace is changing his mind about Trump.

Posted by: Penfold at August 25, 2015 02:14 PM (Fbt5B)

235 221 Wait, so Megyn Kelly's NOT a bimbo?

*hastily deletes Trump/Megyn fanfic novel*
Posted by: chemjeff at August 25, 2015 02:13 PM (2ap0X)

No, no, she's Ace's bimbo.
Not that I blame him.

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 02:14 PM (9221z)

236 >>>I think its more he's not fond of being called a RINO and a white knight when he criticizes something Trump does. Remember, Ace is having, by his own words, a bad week. So that can make you react more strongly than you might otherwise.

it's more about the idiots who cannot actually discuss things in any kind of reasonable way -- they don't read what I write, they just get a "sight picture" and decide "It's anti-Trump" then hallucinate whatever anti-Trump straw-man argument they like, claim I made that argument (white knighting for Megyn!!!), and attack me for it.

I'll defend my own arguments to anyone who wishes the criticize them, but I will not defend made-up arguments by some axe-grinding super-partisan morons who are incapable of reading clearly written words.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:14 PM (dciA+)

237 So, thank God Buzzion is dead or he would be going ballistic.

Hope P11 doesn't find out that Trump is an asshat, it will crush him.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 02:15 PM (0FSuD)

238 IOW, by pounding at her, is he signaling to the rest of the MFM, "you hit me with a bullshit question like this bimbo did, and I'll mail your ass back to you in a Pringles can!"

I can totally buy that. I will be interested to see what happens during/after the next debate.

And I love the WWE descriptor someone used upthread because yes. Exactly.

Posted by: Lea at August 25, 2015 02:15 PM (lIU4e)

239 Trump gets mad? Pfah, Hitler used to get mad. I never get mad; other people just get dead Understand, comrade?

Posted by: Josef "Ice Cold" Stalin at August 25, 2015 02:15 PM (hLRSq)

240 I think it's odd that this has become personal. I guess I haven't been as mesmerized by Megyn Kelly's tight little nostrils, as others have. This broad is on tv because she's pretty, and is capable of doing the tough grrrl role. It's no more and no less an act than the people on soap operas, or hookers who tell you you're the biggest they ever had.

Oh well. The Republican LiVs seem to like it, so maybe The Donald is treading on dangerously thin ice here. Or maybe it's part of the plan.

We'll see.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2015 02:15 PM (TOk1P)

241 perhaps, Trump using her pour encourager les autres? IOW, by pounding at her, is he signaling to the rest of the MFM, "you hit me with a bullshit question like this bimbo did, and I'll mail your ass back to you in a Pringles can!"

I think that's what he did in the original round of attacks. He made sure people understood that if they pulled that crap, they'd pay a heavy price.

But this time? I don't think its that. I think he's just in a little girl snit for being treated mean.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 25, 2015 02:15 PM (39g3+)

242 She doesn't even have to be slutty-naked. She could be artsy-naked.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:15 PM (6xtq3)

243 Ya know Ace, many of us are NOT Trump supporters ( I'm for Cruz) but we like, love that he is saying things that are not PC and NEED to be said. His tangents with Megyn Kelly non withstanding.

You want the perfect Candidate? Sell your soul to the Devil. Me I am saving my Soul for the Next Yankee World Series

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:16 PM (gf8BH)

244 But if you think having Trump go after Kelly over and over and with increasingly harsh language then have at it. I don't think it's a winning strategy.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 02:13 PM (OGm46)

Well, you've also been wrong about everything else Trump has done, so I think your track record on trump is pretty clear.

And I don't give a shit what his strategy is, if he even has one.

But I'm also not going to defend Megyn Kelly who I think 100% has it coming to her for what she pulled at the debate.

Just like I think Candy Crawley should get non stop shit and be introduced as "disgraced political activist Candy Crawley".

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:16 PM (AkOaV)

245 Is Fox is done! the same as the other Trump mobies or fobies?

Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon! at August 25, 2015 02:16 PM (vsbNu)

246 "I actually gather information and evaluate things case-by-case and call things as I see them?"

Ah Science!!

Problem is that many voters base their decision on feelings. This is the one place Hillary actually is brilliant ... I found a really good quote a few weeks ago ... but I forgot to save it where I can find it again.

Posted by: gh at August 25, 2015 02:16 PM (YlqSL)

247 242 She doesn't even have to be slutty-naked. She could be artsy-naked.
Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:15 PM (6xtq3)

Yeah, tasteful bewbs.

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 02:16 PM (9221z)

248 Here's my argument.

What is Trump's plan? Or, rather: What would be Trump's plan, if he were capable of planning?
-----------------------------------------------------------
You're demonstrating the principle I've laid out before: you don't address what Trump actually says. You attack the man, and your attacks are more applicable to his opposition.

>>>This worries me. He does not seem capable of just shaking it off and moving on. He seems to be frozen forever at his point of psychological pain.

This is a brilliant example. What the fuck does this have to do with policy or anything? Obama and Hillary are famously thin skinned.

I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ANYMORE. What is your problem? The things I've said, do they make sense to you? Should I use words with smaller syllables so you can understand them?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 02:16 PM (E5UB0)

249 66 This worries me too, Ace. He needs to stop ragging on Megyn Kelly. I'm just gonna keep watching him.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 25, 2015 01:57 PM (2x3L+)

Heh. ISWYDT

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 25, 2015 02:16 PM (TYZLQ)

250
Some of you -- not all of you, just some -- are simply incapable of any kind of nuanced thought .Everything with this type is Hero and Villain. Either you LOVE EVERYTHING SOMEONE DOES or you HATE THAT PERSON.

This is the liberal attack at it's core. You don't want to raise the minimum wage? YOU HATE POOR PEOPLE!! You have a binder with only women candidates for executive role positions? WAR ON WOMEN!!!!! You want to regulate abortion clinics so they have to be CLEAN?!?!?! YOU'RE TAKING AWAY BIRTH CONTROL!!!! WAR ON WOMEN!!!!!

Just stop it......

Posted by: Sponge at August 25, 2015 02:16 PM (F4u7C)

251 >>>"That argument went out the window when Megyn adopted the Liberal's 'war on wimminz' meme."

Also goes to show how deeply the unreason has permeated American public discourse when not a single person on that debate stage took thirty seconds to challenge the premise of Megyn Kelly's comments, that there is a "war on women" in America.

...

so stupid.

Trump didn't make that argument, dummy. He called her a bimbo because she said mean things about him.

But feel free to continue hallucinating the world as you'd like it to be.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:17 PM (dciA+)

252
Posted by: Fox is done! at August 25, 2015 02:14 PM (gxyha)

Take a nice runny shit somewhere else, asshole.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 02:17 PM (yMVjf)

253 Just nine days until we get to see threads with pointy elbows again. Damn, can't wait but I must.

Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon! at August 25, 2015 02:17 PM (vsbNu)

254 Frankly, I think Ace could be a Trump supporter. There is nothing wrong with voicing your disagreement or thoughts on a politicians particular actions.

Ace has the thought that Trump is indeed a loose a cannon as he appears to be.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 25, 2015 02:17 PM (LXJ1e)

255
My geiger counter needle is off the scale... this place is one or two ill-advised remarks shy of going thermonuclear.

BBL...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 25, 2015 02:17 PM (BK3ZS)

256 I don't like Trump. But I think Mark Steyn has it right yesterday subbing for Rush. The GOP hasn't delivered on any of its promises to the base, and the base is frustrated.

The GOP could learn from Trump's brashness. I think he went over the line with Megyn. But his constant attack mode on the Left fires people up.

Posted by: Mike at August 25, 2015 02:17 PM (ylrkv)

257 Who let dork falcon run the blog today?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at August 25, 2015 02:17 PM (y1PKa)

258
Indeed I noticed, Ace.

I wouldn't call you a "ra-ra-shishboombah! let's all vote for Trump!" cheerleader.
But no question you were speaking of him in some clearly favorable terms.

I appreciated it.

I also think that Trump - and we his Fan Boy supporters - need to be able to take the hits and deal with them.

I think it's fair criticism to take Teh Trump to task for going back at Kelly - without further provocation.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 25, 2015 02:17 PM (l2dSQ)

259 Every time I read a Trump headline, my first reaction is "No way?". I have to re-read the article then go find other sources to confirm what I just read.

Then I *sigh* and go oh well we'll just re-set the GPS and keep on trucking.

Posted by: Trump Taj Mahal at August 25, 2015 02:17 PM (6nGV8)

260 *hastily deletes Trump/Megyn fanfic novel*

It was...OK.

Posted by: Bob from NSA at August 25, 2015 02:17 PM (/kI1Q)

261 he doesnt even have to apologize, just stop whining about it

Posted by: ron at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (xytVe)

262 *pops popcorn*
*melts butter*

Anybody want some?

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (2Ojst)

263 And I'm out. Remember: it's ace's blog, not yours.

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (RD7QR)

264
You want the perfect Candidate? Sell your soul to the Devil. Me I am saving my Soul for the Next Yankee World Series
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:16 PM (

Wonder what NCJ traded for a Cubs WS?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (J3phO)

265 I completely agree.
Look at Eisenhower, or Reagan.
Tough guys don't bleed all over themselves and start getting out of breath because they think someone has "insulted" them.

More than a Lerner scenario I worry about:
a) Trump going all the way to 2 weeks before the election before finally saying/doing something so juvenile and classless as to actually alienate a majority of Americans, thereby handing the helm to Biteme and Liz "Speaks With Feces" Warren, or
b) Trump gets elected, the Chinese piss him off and he decides to lob cruise missiles at Chinese carrier group (hilarity ensues).

Posted by: NYC Peasant at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (k8tEg)

266 Your anti Trump screed will be remembered and like Fox, you will be destroted. Trump remembers his enemies. He has many eyes and ears. Posted by: Fox is done! at August 25, 2015 02:14 PM (gxyha)You sound like a better spelling Mary Cloggenstein or whatever her name was.......

Posted by: Sponge at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (F4u7C)

267 I'm trying very hard to understand Ace.

He seems to know that Megyn Kelly and Fox are an extension of the GOP, and that leads him to question why Trump would be at war with them.

From my perspective, Trump is fighting the right enemy right now. Fox is operating like the GOP, which wants nothing more then to tank Trump's candidacy.

All the loyal GOP actors, the Steve Schmidt pundits, the east coast writers and FOX have banded together to get this pretender out of the way so the serious politicians can get on with it.

Trump, recognizing the coalition formed against him, is taking his shots to make the public aware that everyone isn't on the same team. The fight right now is for the primary.

A year from now (which is a lifetime in political terms), Trump will make up with the players on the right and battle for the election win.

How hard is that to understand?

Posted by: jwest at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (Zs4uk)

268
Those of you who dont want to see Trump win in the primaries, why do you care if he attacks Kelly and it is a losing proposition? Dont you want him to lose?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (iQIUe)

269 he doesnt even have to apologize, just stop whining about it
Posted by: ron at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (xytVe)

Exactly

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (gf8BH)

270 Kelly is way better than Hannity or O'reilly.

Trump is proving that the question she asked him was relevant. No ? Am I missing something

Posted by: The Jackhole at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (3mTyP)

271 Folks, this is why the D's agenda keeps moving forward -- they take no prisoners. The R's sit around all weak kneed and scared of "offending the wrong people". We constantly say that's what we want to see in politicians -- the zeal and unapologetic way D's are always advancing their agenda instead of retreating and "compromising" like the R's.

Yet people are outraged that Trump won't make up with Megyn. I don't get it.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (AkOaV)

Exactly! +1

Posted by: Donald Trump at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (D0NZx)

272
Wonder what NCJ traded for a Cubs WS?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (J3phO)

He promised to stop shooting dogs for Lent.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (2Ojst)

273 >> At the end of the session, the vast majority said they liked Trump more than when they walked in.

"You guys understand how significant this is?" Luntz asked the press breathlessly when he came back into the room behind the glass. "This is real. I'm having trouble processing it. Like, my legs are shaking."

"I want to put the Republican leadership behind this mirror and let them see. They need to wake up. They don't realize how the grassroots have abandoned them," Luntz continued. "Donald Trump is punishment to a Republican elite that wasn't listening to their grassroots."

http://time.com/4009413/donald-trump-focus-group-frank-luntz/

For a supposed LIBr, I still haven't figured out Ace's reluctance to embrace the Trump clown show.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (Vf5rR)

274 if its not calculated than this is him jumping off the cliff

but it could be calculated, a warning shot to all journalists

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (zOTsN)

275 Ace has the thought that Trump is indeed a loose a cannon as he appears to be.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 25, 2015 02:17 PM (LXJ1e)

Yeah, but I think its a feature not a bug.
When it flips his support will dry up

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 02:19 PM (9221z)

276 I could vote for Trump, but He looks like a whiney little bitch in this Megan dust up.... Move on Man...

Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 02:19 PM (hUdMz)

277 The important thing is the nakedness.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:19 PM (6xtq3)

278 What is Trump's plan? Or, rather: What would be Trump's plan, if he were capable of planning?

=======

Trump isn't interested in -being- president.

Trump is interested in making a Deal. And picking on Fox is part of making that Deal.

Posted by: mrp at August 25, 2015 02:19 PM (JBggj)

279 Fan Service

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr1iujcd3-A

Posted by: gh at August 25, 2015 02:19 PM (YlqSL)

280 I guess I haven't been as mesmerized by Megyn Kelly's tight little nostrils, as others have.

Yeah me either. But then, I don't watch Fox News because it sucks for news information as much as any other 24 hour station. They just are dull, sensationalistic, and dialed down to 3rd grade intellect. I don't care if Fox News isn't as hostile toward me and the USA as the other news channels. That doesn't make it any good.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 25, 2015 02:19 PM (39g3+)

281 Well He sure as Hell spends a lot of time on the "enemy" Fox channel...

Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (hUdMz)

Sure.

Note that what I said was that Fox was *less* antagonistic that CNN or MSNBC. He's got to be somewhere, and Fox is a better platform for someone in the Republican Primary than those other two platforms.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 25, 2015 02:19 PM (kff5f)

282 Nope. He's brilliant (or just naturally suited to his time). He's flipping the game on the media, playing offense. He knocked out a few harmlessly jabbing tweets which probably took him 10 minutes and he's got them in a tizzy, calling him "bittter," "obsessed," "petty." What he's really doing is changing the entire dynamic of who gets to say what and who has to deal with it. This larger paradigm shift is deeply appealing to the silent majority, which generally despises the media. Megyn Kelly wanted to play with the big boys and ingratiate herself with her Manhattan liberal neighbors and colleagues, and expected Trump to take it and like it like every other GOP wimp.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 25, 2015 02:19 PM (s/yC1)

283 I have a feeling in a year we'll be looking back and laughing at this whole Trump thing.

Posted by: brak at August 25, 2015 02:19 PM (Tj+s6)

284 http://blog.dilbert.com/post/127479255236/trump-vs-bush-persuasion-wars

Hopefully Trump's hair will be able to make the right call when we need it to.

Posted by: Nutsy the Buzzard at August 25, 2015 02:19 PM (pS7Ne)

285 277 The important thing is the nakedness.
Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:19 PM (6xtq3)

In fact, it's the only thing!

Posted by: Helen Thomas at August 25, 2015 02:19 PM (2Ojst)

286 >>Well, you've also been wrong about everything else Trump has done, so I think your track record on trump is pretty clear.

Stupid. I've been saying consistently that Trump was doing the GOP a favor by stretching the boundaries and opening space for other candidates to talk about what had been taboo topics but I didn't want him as the candidate because I have no idea what he really believes and frankly neither does anyone else since he changes like the wind. Reading is fundamental.

Why don't you make up something else I said while saying once again that you never vote. Has a lot of meaning to me.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 02:19 PM (OGm46)

287 270 Kelly is way better than Hannity or O'reilly.

Trump is proving that the question she asked him was relevant. No ? Am I missing something
Posted by: The Jackhole at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (3mTyP)

Dude, all it takes is some peroxide and a pulse to beat those guys.

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 02:19 PM (9221z)

288 219 Now, I agree with Ace that this continued pummeling of Megyn Kelly is not a good thing, but bear with me - is, perhaps, Trump using her pour encourager les autres? IOW, by pounding at her, is he signaling to the rest of the MFM, "you hit me with a bullshit question like this bimbo did, and I'll mail your ass back to you in a Pringles can!"

---

If that's what he's doing, it's dumb as all hell. Kelly isn't hurt by his calling her a bimbo on Twitter. She's called a bimbo by someone on twitter approximately every .13 seconds because that's twitter for you, she can't possibly care, and there's no way she didn't know already what a tool he is when he's insulted. Rachel Maddow would fucking love to be called worse by Trump. Calling names on Twitter does not harm journalists/anchors/pundits---ignoring them does

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at August 25, 2015 02:20 PM (GvNnD)

289 Didn't he tweet out something like "the bimbo is back in town?" Or was that a retweet?

It seems like he's doing this on purpose to keep himself in the headlines. I doubt that MK is upset about this since she's smart and it keeps her in the headlines too. This will go away until he says something else

Posted by: L, Elle at August 25, 2015 02:20 PM (2x3L+)

290 I think he went over the line with Megyn. But his constant attack mode on the Left fires people up.
Posted by: Mike at August 25, 2015 02:17 PM (ylrkv) [I/]That's what is drawing people to Trump. He HAS no line. And there's NOTHING wrong with that. We NEED that in this day and age.

Posted by: Sponge at August 25, 2015 02:20 PM (F4u7C)

291
and I don't care that he called her a "bimbo;" I care that this is so fucking *trivial.*

This is the sort of "blogwar" bullshit that I used to do... my first three years of blogging, before I grew up.

It's a JUVENILE thing. that's the problem. Not that he hurt poor megyn (who is unharmed in this, and in fact has her stature raised).

The problem is that this is 14 year old rich kid spoiled brat id at work.

A president should have control of his id. Not that he shouldn't have an id -- we all do -- but he should be in control of it. It shouldn't control *him.*

this is all juvenile nonsense to what end? How does offending Roger Ailes possibly help him?

I'm so tired of the stupid arguments that anyone "We" like is "playing 11-dimensional chess" and the rest of us just can't see the BRILLIANCE of these apparently strange, self-sabotaging maneuvers.

Nope, "11th-dimensional chess" claimers: 99% of apparent mistakes are simply mistakes.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:20 PM (dciA+)

292 144: "Instead, he uses sycophants and flunkies to call you names and tear you down."

In what way is this behavior any different than that of the GOPe?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at August 25, 2015 02:20 PM (UPYPp)

293 Darn it.......

Posted by: Sponge at August 25, 2015 02:20 PM (F4u7C)

294 Just like I think Candy Crawley should get non stop shit and be introduced as "disgraced political activist Candy Crawley".
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:16 PM (AkOaV)

--------------------------

What if what Trump is doing now prevents a Candy Crawley type "moment" in the general election debates?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 25, 2015 02:20 PM (LXJ1e)

295 >>This week we're "crazies."

Oh, really?
How did we disappoint Obama this time?

Seriously, I would imagine Trump appeals to many simply because they are sick and tired of being scolded and antagonized by Obama and the Left. They may see Trump as "punching back twice as hard," particularly with the #waronwomen crap that was used against Romney.

Not a fan of Trumps twitter slapfights, but I can see how they might appeal to others.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 25, 2015 02:20 PM (NOIQH)

296 Stupid and totally unnecessary. Why do I think that Trump would have no qualms about calling anyone who disagreed with him on a policy issue "crazies" just like the putz in the WH we have now.

He's for a flat tax but wants the rich to pay their "fair share". Um, that's not how it works.

Blasts Nabisco and Ford for building big plants in Mexico. Why is that Mr. Trump? Could the corporate tax rate have anything to do with it?

Canada's healthcare system is working great.

Beware anyone from NYC calling themselves a Republican.

Posted by: Cheri at August 25, 2015 02:21 PM (oiNtH)

297 FOODFIGHT!!!!

Posted by: John Blutarski at August 25, 2015 02:21 PM (8ZskC)

298 It'll be interesting to see if this hurts him in the polls. I'm sure many are predicting that it will. And we all know how those predictions have turned out.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2015 02:21 PM (P25Hh)

299 293 Darn it.......
Posted by: Sponge at August 25, 2015 02:20 PM

Barrel?

Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 02:21 PM (hUdMz)

300 That's how angry the base is with ANY of the establishment and FOX is very part and parcel to of the Cheap Labor Express/Elite/Uniparty.
Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at August 25, 2015 02:09 PM (OIgIO)

The base? You mean the conservative base? The object of your affections for whom you will fight to the death may be a number of things, but he is not a conservative. Based on Trump's public statements, I'd put him in the same circle on a Venn Diagram asmoderate, right-of-center types such as Chris Christie and John Kasich.

But you and your creepily cult-like pals don't care about his political views so much, do you? You like his combative style, the way he puts it to The Man.

News, groupie: Trump, a crony capitalist who represents the worst of our system, is The Man.

Posted by: troyriser at August 25, 2015 02:21 PM (Bvf82)

301 Sorry Ace, but Megyn Kelly is no special snowflake. If she's going to come out of the gate at the first Republican debate and start off with the well-worn the-right-hates-women trope, then she deserves everything she gets from Trump. It's about time someone starts hitting back at these people - Foxnews or not.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at August 25, 2015 02:21 PM (uRumV)

302 and ace, with all due respect, who gives a shit what your "blogger peers" think and who they defend?

I mean, I certainly am not waiting with bated breath for the next incredibly insightful Jazz Shaw article, or the next page turner packed full of brilliant insight from Erick Erickson. They're assholes with a slightly larger megaphone then, say, any random asshole on the internet. Why do their opinions matter any more then the homeless guy warning everyone about the reptilian peoples' take over of our government?

...also, it really is not good form to start throwing around micro-aggressions like "faggot" at your commenters because you disagree with them and think they're nowhere near as smart or well thought out as you.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:21 PM (AkOaV)

303 Posted by: jwest at August 25, 2015 01:53 PM (Zs4uk)
=============================

See, now, I disagree: Trump is running for president and if he cannot take an aggressive question in stride he's going to get roasted every single time he steps on a podium. She quoted him, by the way, and if that is "fucking up" in your planet then everyday life must be tough stuff.

Look, I don't know Megyn Kelly and I hardly ever watch her show. I think she did a good job in her questioning and Trump should have answered it just as he did and moved on. He nailed the answer by the way.

He's the one fucking up and every time he tweets out an insult he's killing some small part of his chances, and eventually they'll be dead. And it'll all be self-inflicted. It's just stupid that Trump supporters aren't the one's out in front telling him to cut it out too. If you want him to win (or even last into the spring!) make it stop.

Posted by: MTF at August 25, 2015 02:21 PM (LISuA)

304 That's one of my favorite the-mike-was-on? moments, though Congressman Martin Hoke of Ohio still takes the cake.

Posted by: JPS at August 25, 2015 02:12 PM (Efsx0)

Didn't know what you were talking about and searched and came across this. Looks interesting. (and free)

http://tinyurl.com/pp6nvs7

'Is that mic off - more things politicians wish they didn't say.'

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 25, 2015 02:21 PM (fWAjv)

305 i'm disappointed but it's not the end of the world

(to me)

Posted by: north and judd at August 25, 2015 02:21 PM (0z/89)

306

Taylor @ @ 241:

With respect:
Again, if Trump were in snit, what caused it?
Why suddenly now?

Why wouldn't he have just stayed nasty and expressed every few days or so?

Seriously doubt this was not planned by Trump.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 25, 2015 02:21 PM (l2dSQ)

307 Ace has a thing for Kelly. That's why he says what he says. He will sell out his country for some idiot POS who would never give him the time of day. Fuck you, cretin.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 02:22 PM (E5UB0)

308 This is being posted in the high 200s, so it's doubtless already been written: You're over thinking this, Ace.

Kelly is a stand in for all media. Trump's previous attacks on the media worked, therefore, this attack (in Trump's belief) will work.

The sooner the Trump bubble bursts, the better for all of us. His newest actions will hasten that.

Posted by: Alex at August 25, 2015 02:22 PM (lDNRa)

309 This week we're "crazies."

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 02:14 PM (/kI1Q)

Guess were no longer 'Muricans any more.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 25, 2015 02:22 PM (J3phO)

310 this is all juvenile nonsense to what end? How does offending Roger Ailes possibly help him?

If Trump shows up on the Kelly file in the next week you'll have your answer.

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 02:22 PM (9221z)

311 Fox is NOT a news organization.

182
>>He's running for the most powerful and solemn job in the land.
Presidents don't often get in cat fights with popular reporters and win.

***Note defending Trump***

They used to not get into catfights and slander their own citizens
until Obama. He started this crap, this demagogueing subsets of
Americans - jet-owners, cops, Wall Street, "tea baggers", people
clinging to their guns 'n bibles, etc.

This is where 6+ years of Obama, Democrats (especially Reid and
Pelosi) and the Left feeling comfortable enough to let the mask slip.

I HATE it - but how do we return to a more civilized time?

Posted by: Lizzy at August 25, 2015 02:08 PM (NOIQH)

Posted by: Barack Obama at August 25, 2015 02:22 PM (fVOPU)

312 What we need is a good man like ~~Ron Paul~~ Donald Trump to be in charge.
He will build a Mexican wall out of silver dimes.

Posted by: RoN pAuL err TrUmP!!!!1!!!!!1!1111111!!!!!! at August 25, 2015 02:22 PM (2ap0X)

313 Just when I starting thinking maybe I could vote for Trump, he pulls a stunt this.

And I can't believe that the Trump supporters are still putting the blame for Trump's meltdowns on everybody else.

One last thing - this is why I think Trump has a problem with women. Yes, he's said mean and nasty things about men, but this latest twitter rant about Kelly shows that she's gotten under his skin. As long as Trump does stupid stuff like this, women will not support him.

Posted by: biancaneve at August 25, 2015 02:22 PM (kBiy2)

314
On a lighter note, Prunella Scales, aka, Mrs. Basil Fawlty, is quite ill. Knew she had alzheimer's but now she cant rember being married to her husband of 53 years, actor, Timothy West.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 25, 2015 02:22 PM (iQIUe)

315 Beware anyone from NYC calling themselves a Republican.
Posted by: Cheri at August 25, 2015 02:21 PM (oiNtH)

ahem ::looks at URL, checks to make sure I'm at the hq:: coughcoughcoughcough

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:22 PM (AkOaV)

316 Calm down.

I made a joke. You have mentioned your infatuation with Megyn before. I thought it was amusing, apparently you didn't . Sorry about that.

I am not a Trump superfan boy semi-faggot or whatever else. I posited a theory that ran at odds with your theory.

Hope your week gets better.

I'll self ban for a while.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 25, 2015 02:22 PM (gbIds)

317
LMFAO! @ comment# 297

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 25, 2015 02:23 PM (l2dSQ)

318 That would make the question be "Does Trump NEED the Republican middle-class whiners to win?"

Oops, my bias is showing. Oh well.

If Trump can generate enough of a blue collar showing, if he can pull in those voters that the gope has spent the last 15 years stabbing in the back and shitting all over, AND if he can steal enough usually democratic blue-collar votes to replace the Miss Prisses that give us McStain and Weepy Boner, then can he win?

It's a reversal of the usual country club tactic of ignoring those votes to chase the mythical "moderate" vote...ya know, the one that has failed every time the gope has pulled it since Bush.

Too bad I don't trust Trump to do the things he's saying, but:
(a) at least he IS saying them
(b) I don't trust anyone else either

there are only two damn things that voters should concern themselves over, national security and the economy. Illegal immigration counts for both. Trump (on paper) is addressing that.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at August 25, 2015 02:23 PM (A9KzJ)

319 Instead, you resort to the only thing you know how to do, which is insulting and calling any trump critic a RINO.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:00 PM (dciA+)

Ace, I mentioned this last week. Some of the morons have simply got puppy love and questioning their hero is forbidden.

The ugly replies, without returning any facts, just name calling, is getting really old.

There is no discussing things with "true believers"

I have posted the quote before.

"A man changed against his will, is of the same opinion still" Lincoln.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 02:23 PM (0FSuD)

320 I really think Donald a Trump could literally shit on the floor the next time he's on TV and some people here would defend it.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at August 25, 2015 02:23 PM (GvNnD)

321 declaring war on the media wont cost any candidate any votes

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 02:23 PM (zOTsN)

322 Aaaaand I'm out before this gets out of hand. Work to do anyway.

Be kind, Horde, we're all we've got.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 25, 2015 02:23 PM (9krrF)

323 I like Trump but having trouble understanding what he's doing with this whole Megyn Kelly thing. Personally, I don't care for her but its like he's punching below his weight class. Additionally, I thought this whole thing got resolved.

Its strange. And Ace has a point- what would disqualify Trump from the nomination? When it becomes apparent to people that he makes extremely poor decisions.

Posted by: Mrs. Clinton's Snizz at August 25, 2015 02:23 PM (vDEpI)

324 >>>For a supposed LIBr, I still haven't figured out Ace's reluctance to embrace the Trump clown show.

i was embracing it... do you not listen to the podcast? Do you not read the blog?

Most people who read me picked up on the idea that I was warming up to Trump. But I guess some people need a big headline that says TRUMP IS THE GREATEST AND WILL CONQUER THE WOLRD WITH HIS CLASSINESS.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:23 PM (dciA+)

325 A president should have control of his id. Not that he shouldn't have an id -- we all do -- but he should be in control of it. It shouldn't control *him.*

Relevant Presidential Fact: I always know where my id is. It's usually in my wallet with my credit cards.

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 25, 2015 02:23 PM (8ZskC)

326
Megyn and Trump are both guilty of acting like children.
Ace is right. The dems are going to end up running crazy uncle Joe and the GOP still cannot get out of there own way.

The problem has always been that the guy who really wants it bad, is by definition, the wrong guy for the job.

Excuse me Carly . . . person. With all due respect.

Posted by: GBruno at August 25, 2015 02:23 PM (u49WF)

327 Do you know how many people have cancelled cable and FOX news over the years? I did, six years ago. I've talked to countless people who have also.

Their numbers could be huge but they always stay in the several million range because the churn through viewers.

Geraldo? Kelly? O'Rielly? Krauthammer? Juan Williams? Are all left or center left. Sh!t I don't want watch or pay for.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 25, 2015 02:23 PM (OIgIO)

328 If you play this blog backwards it says "Buzzion's really Dead".

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 25, 2015 02:24 PM (x3GpS)

329 If you change the letters around in Lois Lerner's second e-mail server name (Toby Miles), it spells:

To Be Slimy.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 25, 2015 02:24 PM (4AVeu)

330 Ya know Ace, many of us are NOT Trump supporters (
I'm for Cruz) but we like, love that he is saying things that are not PC
and NEED to be said.

....

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:16 PM (gf8BH)

Uh, not *that* many things. He actually criticized Jeb at the Friday rally for suggesting that we spend too much on Woman's Health. It was odd, as the crowd didn't join him with cheers when Trump suggested his campaign was dead because of that "gaff". I think most in the crowd thought, yeah, why they heck does the Fed have a special category for spending like "woman's health"? Trump is far, far from a small-government guy.Ping me when Trump comes out against a favorite govt. program of the PC crowd.

Posted by: Serious Cat at August 25, 2015 02:24 PM (UypUQ)

331 >>> Heh. ISWYDT
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 25, 2015 02:16 PM (TYZLQ)

Thanks for noticing!

Posted by: L, Elle at August 25, 2015 02:24 PM (2x3L+)

332 FOODFIGHT!!!!

http://is.gd/joszty

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 02:24 PM (/kI1Q)

333 Barrel?Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 02:21 PM (hUdMz) Close. Glad they fixed that, otherwise, yes......would've been.

Posted by: Sponge at August 25, 2015 02:24 PM (F4u7C)

334 I haven't heard all the comments by Trump, but, Ace, I think you are wrong, in this sense. Fox News is not and never will be an ally for Donald Trump or anyone who might be "conservative". In fact, I think Fox is an enemy. They are in the tank for Jeb and are part of the campaign to destroy anyone else -- all those candidates, the "multitude", are part of a plan to ambush anyone "conservative" or "populist" who begins to get ahead in the polls. They have been planning that Jeb can be nominated with as little as 20% of the electorate. The primaries are already gamed.

Trump is using "Meghan" as The Symbol of our failed Fourth Estate; she should have served as our essential neutral and investigative journalist absolutely necessary for a representative democracy. (This is why you are so successful; you serve this purpose.) Instead she played a bought-and-paid for gotcha idiot. I wish all debates would be taken away from every one of the elitist, CofC-owned or Democratic-Communist party-owned so-called media. We have know for many cycles that nothing that educates the electorate will ever come from them. Enough! Get angry! Do not be afraid! Do not take any PC talk from anyone anywhere!

Posted by: pyromancer76 at August 25, 2015 02:25 PM (sPfLU)

335 Trump Poppins Practically Perfect In every Way...

Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 02:25 PM (hUdMz)

336 @315
I will call myself a conservative.
But first you must blow me.

Posted by: NYC Peasant at August 25, 2015 02:25 PM (k8tEg)

337 Yeah, there you go. Sorry.

Posted by: grandmalcaesar at August 25, 2015 02:25 PM (Cirob)

338 On the plus side, this is the last election FNC will matter in. Murdoch's kids will have turned the place into "MSNBC Too" by 2020.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 25, 2015 02:25 PM (S+N7W)

339
There is no discussing things with "true believers"

heh

Posted by: Officer Paddy O'Irony at August 25, 2015 02:25 PM (gbIds)

340
yes, let's deny reality. Number one rated anchor on Fox, with big across-the-aisle respectability.

let's pretend that no one likes the people we don't like.

let's all be rightwing Pauline Kaels -- I don't see how Megyn Kelly is the number one rated draw on cable news; no one *I* know watches her.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:09 PM (dciA+)

Until she says stupid shit deliberately to tank one man. She should own it, and apologize.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 25, 2015 02:25 PM (TYZLQ)

341 Posted by: MTF at August 25, 2015 02:21 PM (LISuA)

Why? To a large segment of the population, Trumps ONLY APPEAL is that he's willing to tell all of these self important teleprompter readers and self anointed "king makers" to go fuck themselves.

If he stops doing that, then everyone will move on.

The only reason I can stand him at all is because he's telling all of the right people to go suck a dick.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:25 PM (AkOaV)

342 Despite Trump's fairly obvious psychological impairment to bring President, it is important to note that Ace has yet to write him off, as he has more credible candidates like Walker or Rubio. I find that fascinating.

Posted by: CausticConservative at August 25, 2015 02:25 PM (5q6rm)

343 Don't like Trump then continue with the party that can't do anything.

Posted by: alan stern at August 25, 2015 02:25 PM (cXdIB)

344 Why didn't Ace's message about Megan Kelly fail to mention that she spent the first several minutes of her show totally trashing Trump and asking leading questions of her guests to get them to do the same?

Ace makes it sound like it was unprovoked. The opposite is true.

Posted by: Village Idiot at August 25, 2015 02:25 PM (bf86X)

345 >>>That would make the question be "Does Trump NEED the Republican middle-class whiners to win?"

Oops, my bias is showing. Oh well.

...

yes, for god's sakes, of course he does. He's sure not going to get many minorities; Hispanics rate him MINUS FIFTY ONE, positive minus negative.

He needs pretty much almost all the white people who aren't card-carrying socialists or government workers.

So yes, that means that he's going to need those Comfortable Class White Suburban voters you don't seem to like.

The fact that you don't like 'em doesn't mean you don't need 'em.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:25 PM (dciA+)

346 Piss Trump off at your peril. When Trump gets the Presidency, Cuckservatives and Cosmopolitan outlets will be shut down. Trump does not tolerate dissent and will deal with his critics according.

Expect an IRS audit under President Trump, Ace.

Posted by: Fox is done! at August 25, 2015 02:26 PM (gxyha)

347 If she's going to come out of the gate at the first Republican debate and start off with the well-worn the-right-hates-women trope

What a load. She asked Trump specifically of being misogynist, and quoted him in evidence. The right played no part of the discussion, particularly since Trump is now and always has been a centrist Democrat. So, the "war on women" here is totally relevant: Trump is a misogynist Democrat and she's right to ask him about it.

Posted by: MTF at August 25, 2015 02:26 PM (LISuA)

348 What if what Trump is doing now prevents a Candy Crawley type "moment" in the general election debates?

I think if he attacked her, there wouldn't be a problem.

The trouble is that Trump violated a cease fire agreement with Fox, for very little gain. I'd rather he had let them do it, first.

But, these are the wages of a politically incorrect candidate. He says whatever the heck he wants, whenever he wants.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 25, 2015 02:26 PM (ph/F7)

349 Wonder what NCJ traded for a Cubs WS?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (J3phO)

Flux capacitor.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 02:26 PM (yMVjf)

350 @210; Ace: "Some of you -- not all of you, just some -- are simply incapable of any kind of nuanced thought."

Oh shit! When did AOSHQ become an English Lit 201 class? And why am I naked?

(Seriously, though. Fuck yeah. Right on, Ace.)

Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 25, 2015 02:26 PM (kqGWM)

351 329 If you change the letters around in Lois Lerner's second e-mail server name (Toby Miles), it spells:

To Be Slimy.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 25, 2015 02:24 PM (4AVeu)

Liby's Tome

Posted by: Serious Cat at August 25, 2015 02:26 PM (UypUQ)

352 I dont trust Trump. I dont trust any of them. But I dont think attacking the media costs votes anymore. They are held in less regard than Congress in polling

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 02:27 PM (zOTsN)

353 Leave. Megyn. Kelly. Alone. Right. NOW!!!

Posted by: Chris Crocker at August 25, 2015 02:27 PM (2Ojst)

354 >>>Why didn't Ace's message about Megan Kelly fail to mention that she spent the first several minutes of her show totally trashing Trump and asking leading questions of her guests to get them to do the same?

Ace makes it sound like it was unprovoked. The opposite is true.

...

1, because I didn't know that, and 2, Insolent Journalism.

Megyn Kelly is not hero-worshipping Trump and ergo will have questions about him.

Are you saying she's not allowed to have questions?

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:27 PM (dciA+)

355 Limey Bots

Posted by: Serious Cat at August 25, 2015 02:27 PM (UypUQ)

356 Time for some real work and let this thing flame out.

If Trump wants my support, he better start acting presidential. Just because he is saying some good things doesn't make him the MAN.

Megyn Kelly. She wasn't fair and balanced at the debate. We will see who is the "mature" in the group shortly.

See you morons later.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 25, 2015 02:27 PM (J3phO)

357 Holy shit! Who get into the amphetamine cabinet?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 25, 2015 02:27 PM (4AVeu)

358 What if what Trump is doing now prevents a Candy Crawley type "moment" in the general election debates?

He actually polls better with nonwhites than Jeb.

I suspect he will poll much better with Asians than Jeb in the next poll.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 25, 2015 02:27 PM (ph/F7)

359 Being out of power and being screwed by the commie in power, makes people turn on their friends. And that is what the DEMs and the MSM wants. Let's not give them what they want.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:27 PM (gf8BH)

360 When the rubber meets the road and you get down to the real nitty-gritty, Trump is a straight-up asshole.

Posted by: Hank at August 25, 2015 02:27 PM (0Aqa7)

361 Given past events, this only will push Trump past fifty percent. A good guess is Trump has found where Kelly appeared in Beaver Hunt some time in the early Nineties and wants to bait her before the photographs are released. She probably didn't tend the garden well.

The burning question is what Pajama Boys like Erick Erickson will do in response: permanently disinvited Trump from future gatherings?

Posted by: Smells like a salmon in the morning at August 25, 2015 02:27 PM (pq97T)

362 TRUMP IS THE GREATEST AND WILL CONQUER THE WORLD WITH HIS CLASS~~INESS~~.

FIFY

Posted by: chemjeff at August 25, 2015 02:27 PM (2ap0X)

363 The important thing is the nakedness.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:19 PM (6xtq3)

I Got that covered. wanna see some of my home made stuff?

Posted by: Iceweasel at August 25, 2015 02:27 PM (y1PKa)

364 When the rubber meets the road and you get down to the real nitty-gritty, Trump is a straight-up asshole.
Posted by: Hank at August 25, 2015 02:27 PM (0Aqa7)

Yeah and?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:28 PM (gf8BH)

365 Weasel:

>> naked

Cut. Jib. Newsletter.

(With apologies to CBD, JJ, et al)

Posted by: speedster1 at August 25, 2015 02:28 PM (1brdf)

366 182: "I HATE it - but how do we return to a more civilized time?"

War. Either civil or external. Only through great hardship will people learn to value what actually has value.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at August 25, 2015 02:28 PM (UPYPp)

367 144: "Instead, he uses sycophants and flunkies to call you names and tear you down." In what way is this behavior any different than that of the GOPe?
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at August 25, 2015 02:20 PM (UPYPp)

---------------------------------

This is true. How many cheap shots have the GOPe made about Rush. Same thing.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2015 02:28 PM (P25Hh)

368 Expect an IRS audit under President Trump, Ace.Posted by: Fox is done! at August 25, 2015 02:26 PM (gxyha) Define "cuckservative."

Posted by: Sponge at August 25, 2015 02:28 PM (F4u7C)

369 One thing about Trump threads: they shoot past 300 comments *very* fast.

Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon! at August 25, 2015 02:28 PM (vsbNu)

370 > IOW, by pounding at her,
> is he signaling to the rest
> of the MFM, "you hit me
> with a bullshit question like
> this bimbo did, and I'll mail
> your ass back to you
> in a Pringles can!"

> I don't know.
> Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 25, 2015 02:05 PM (zF6Iw)

This is EXACTLY what Trump is doing. It's so obvious. And it is almost torturous watching some pundits pretend to try to figure out what he's doing. The message is clear, and it's being received by the rest of the press.

We'll see if it works. (I say this as a rather anti-Trump voter.)

Posted by: Doug at August 25, 2015 02:28 PM (yNjgJ)

371 "Hey Candy I see you didn't skip the comissary brunch"
Ha ha *snort* ha ha ha

Posted by: Trump Il Magnifico at August 25, 2015 02:28 PM (k8tEg)

372 mynewhandle:

>>>...also, it really is not good form to start throwing around
micro-aggressions like "faggot" at your commenters because you disagree
with them and think they're nowhere near as smart or well thought out as
you.

1.) You are nowhere near as smart or well thought-out as Ace. Sorry, no offense: it's true. Embrace your sub-mediocrity.

2.) You just used the term "micro-aggression" unironically, and don't even try to claim after the fact that you were kidding around. Context makes it clear that you were not. Delete your life right now.

Posted by: Jeff B. at August 25, 2015 02:28 PM (ewYO6)

373 Doubt this is in any way about the past or Megyn Kelly. Note how he is setting the table for the CNN debate.

Posted by: m0x at August 25, 2015 02:28 PM (07+D0)

374 Ping me when Trump comes out against a favorite govt. program of the PC crowd.
Posted by: Serious Cat at August 25, 2015 02:24 PM (UypUQ)

That is the fucking point.

We have no shortage of candidates for all sorts of offices who promise to shrink government. not a single one has. Ever.

As in, every "small government" candidate you've voted for -- yes, including Reagan -- has INCREASED the size of government, not decreased it.

So I don't care if Jeb promises to get rid of the Department of Education. Because I know he WONT DO IT. So why do all of these "positions" matter and why do we take them seriously?

They NEVER EVER EVER follow through. EVER. and they only say what they say because Frank Luntz and his fucking retards in the focus groups tell them what to say.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:28 PM (AkOaV)

375 Wait, Megyn went after Trump first?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 25, 2015 02:28 PM (ph/F7)

376 If that's what he's doing, it's dumb as all hell. Kelly isn't hurt by his calling her a bimbo on Twitter. She's called a bimbo by someone on twitter approximately every .13 seconds because that's twitter for you, she can't possibly care, and there's no way she didn't know already what a tool he is when he's insulted. Rachel Maddow would fucking love to be called worse by Trump. Calling names on Twitter does not harm journalists/anchors/pundits---ignoring them does
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at August 25, 2015 02:20 PM (GvNnD)

---------------------

Every election cycle, everyone here, and I mean EVERYONE HERE complains about the poor quality and bias of the debate moderators. One candidate the last go around, Newt, went off on it and everyone cheered him. Then Newt backed off for some unknown reason and the eventual result was the Candy Crawley moment in the second debate, which probably sealed the deal with respect to Romney's chances.

Now we have one candidate this election cycle willing go off on the media and keep the pressure up and everyone is peeing their pants over it.

Now Trump may be vulgar and common for retweeting the word "bimbo" but he is also very clear that what she did in the debate was some of the same crappy debate moderation that has gone on before, and it needs to stop.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 25, 2015 02:29 PM (LXJ1e)

377 >>>
What a load. She asked Trump specifically of being misogynist, and quoted him in evidence. The right played no part of the discussion, particularly since Trump is now and always has been a centrist Democrat. So, the "war on women" here is totally relevant: Trump is a misogynist Democrat and she's right to ask him about it.

i think the question was unfairly stacked (most of the comments WERE about Rosie, and her claim that it goes "well beyond" Rosie was bullshitty -- it went SLIGHTLY beyond Rosie), but that's not the point.

The point is I'm sitting here watching a silly Celebrity Twitter fight like between Taylor Swift and Katy Perry, except one of the particiants here (indeed, the only participant here, as MK doesn't comment on the feud) claims he should be President of the US.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:29 PM (dciA+)

378 One thing about Trump threads: they shoot past 300 comments *very* fast.
Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon! at August 25, 2015 02:28 PM (vsbNu)

Well also when Ace takes an active part in the Thread

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:29 PM (gf8BH)

379 Michael Vick may be a Steeler soon, and . . . Rex Grossman is visiting Atlanta!!!

Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon! at August 25, 2015 02:29 PM (vsbNu)

380 One thing about Trump threads: they shoot past 300 comments *very* fast.

Yup, there's definitely a lot of "snipping " going on...

Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 02:29 PM (hUdMz)

381 To me, Trump's one and only attraction is his aggressive attack on Illegal Immigration. I've been waiting for someone to do this since 1987. As long as he sticks to this, and no one else steps up (I'm looking at you Walker), he's got my vote, if only to show that some of us think this is THE most important problem facing our fading country. I can overlook his many flaws for this.

Posted by: Mark in Portland at August 25, 2015 02:29 PM (DpRZj)

382 "When the rubber meets the road"

Actually, when the rubber meets the road, your pecker will get run over.

Or road rash.

One of the two.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 25, 2015 02:30 PM (4AVeu)

383 If someone had told me last year that with the most important election in the history of our country, we would be debating the worthiness of a four times bankrupt developer/con man from NYC that supports democrats, I would have called you an idiot and a liar.

Someone wake me up.

When does Trump start his beer hall tour? Will his official campaign uniform be brown shirts?

Asking for a friend

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 02:30 PM (0FSuD)

384 She doesn't even have to be slutty-naked. She could be artsy-naked.
Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:15 PM (6xtq3)

Yeah, tasteful bewbs.
Posted by: Iblis

Bare is tasteful.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2015 02:30 PM (k+zgr)

385 1.) You are nowhere near as smart or well thought-out as Ace. Sorry, no offense: it's true. Embrace your sub-mediocrity.

2.) You just used the term "micro-aggression" unironically, and don't even try to claim after the fact that you were kidding around. Context makes it clear that you were not. Delete your life right now.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 25, 2015 02:28 PM (ewYO6)

JeffB,

a) I wasn't comparing myself to ace, and have no idea how we'd stack up intellectually -- I guess we could compare LSAT scores??

b) Of course I was being ironic, buddy.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:30 PM (AkOaV)

386 he doesnt even have to apologize, just stop whining about it
Posted by: ron at August 25, 2015 02:18 PM (xytVe)

The Generalissimo does not whine. He stares and others whine on way to Happy Fun Rest Camp.

Trump should learn the Power of the Stare.

Posted by: Josef "Cats Blink First" Stalin at August 25, 2015 02:30 PM (hLRSq)

387 and JeffB, I don't have to defend myself -- I'm not the one on here calling people idiots.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:30 PM (AkOaV)

388 Something like this happened when Greta Van Sustern was interviewing Trump a few years ago. She asked a mildly combative question, and he went crazy, attacking her personally for the rest of the interview. He looked like a thin-skinned fool. I think he has a real problem with strong women.

Posted by: Sauropod at August 25, 2015 02:30 PM (G/vW6)

389 Sponge at August 25, 2015 02:28 PM (F4u7C)

It's Hector. Don't bother.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 02:30 PM (OGm46)

390 Michael Vick may be a Steeler soon, and . . . Rex Grossman is visiting Atlanta!!!

Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon! at August 25, 2015 02:29 PM (vsbNu)

I guess the world had run out of talent.

Posted by: Sponge at August 25, 2015 02:30 PM (F4u7C)

391 384 She doesn't even have to be slutty-naked. She could be artsy-naked.
Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:15 PM (6xtq3)

Yeah, tasteful bewbs.
Posted by: Iblis

Bare is tasteful.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2015 02:30 PM (k+zgr)

Don't tell us, tell Ace.

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 02:31 PM (9221z)

392 I WAS GOING TO SNEAK ON OUT OF HERE, BUT THIS

it's all just vengeance, vengeance, vengeance against your oppressors
Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:07 PM (dciA+)

i haven't decided to support Trump yet, But vengeance on the republican party assisting Obama take the country apart fiscally and socially?

yeah vengeance

hope it works time will tell.

Posted by: willow at August 25, 2015 02:31 PM (nqBYe)

393
It's Hector. Don't bother.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 02:30 PM (OGm46)

'nuff said.

Posted by: Sponge at August 25, 2015 02:31 PM (F4u7C)

394 I just think there's this assigned importance to Fox News that is as driven by the leftists as it is by anything on the "right."

Is there audience predominantly Republicans? Sure, probably. I guess it is.

How many? How many millions?

And how many millions have bought into the notion that Faux Nooz is teh enemy? Plenty millions, that's how many. And not all of them rabid radical lefties.

It's possible, since Trump is NOT a conservative, that he thinks he's tapping into the great untapped sorta rightish leaning folks who are anti-immigration (as opposed to Fox), and hate being labeled a Faux Nooz dunderhead. When they NEVER WATCH THE STUPID CHANNEL!!

Maybe he's got a plan... have you considered that, Ace?

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2015 02:32 PM (TOk1P)

395 Your can knock Trump all you want and with good cause, but Jeb's pretty amazing fall in the polls is due in not small part to Trump going after him.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:32 PM (gf8BH)

396 I was reading some comments and just, no. no, no. no, no, no, until I can;t type coherently anymore.

Trump is all ego. OK: 99% ego and 1% brains. And sure, 1% is more than most. But he will disappoint inevitably.

Put Trump, O'Reilly and Geraldo in a room and we could power the globe off their egos. So he's able to power 33% of the globe and there's value in that. But look at the self-aggrandizing company he keeps!

Posted by: grandmalcaesar at August 25, 2015 02:32 PM (Cirob)

397 Well, one thing's for certain, it keeps him in the news...

Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 02:32 PM (hUdMz)

398 I'm starting to fear that Trump would wind up being President Jesse Ventura.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 25, 2015 02:32 PM (wtvvX)

399 how many LIVs love to see a politician attack the media. Vast Right Wing Conspiracy anyone?

LIVs love it and hate the media

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 02:32 PM (zOTsN)

400 Hope your week gets better.

I'll self ban for a while.

Posted by: some random meathead

FWIW SRM, I read it as a joke and thought it was funny.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 25, 2015 02:32 PM (/Ho8c)

401 I'm ignoring a lot of the campaign stuff because I'm pretty much in LIB mode. Kind of freeing, really.

Oh, I still come here and bitch about stuff. And I like the art and food threads.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at August 25, 2015 02:32 PM (7RXcs)

402 Trump has the same positions on immigration, health care, and an assault weapon ban as Bernie Sanders. Think about that while you're beating your cock to Trump sticking it to the GOP establishment.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 25, 2015 02:32 PM (rbfJl)

403 @388: "He looked like a thin-skinned fool. I think he has a real problem with strong women."

NEWSFLASH: Trump has a real problem with ANYONE who challenges him in the slightest uppity way. It's not just women except most folks barely notice when he retaliates against men.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 25, 2015 02:33 PM (kqGWM)

404 Trump is leading us to take our nation back. The cuckservatives and cultural Marxists are scared. Trump lock up traitors and silence all who challenge him.

This is our time!

Posted by: Fox is done! at August 25, 2015 02:33 PM (gxyha)

405 i guess i should say something about kelly, I think she does her job for the most part, I do also think she and the gop sand bagged that 1st debate.
But i also think Trump shouldtake that energy and put it into actually attacking the leadership that has really shit on the country and law

Posted by: willow at August 25, 2015 02:33 PM (nqBYe)

406 I'm voting for him he winds up being the guy. At least the election season will be fun to watch this time. The last 2 election cycles with McCain and Romney were just awful and depressing cause we sucked so much. I voted for those two guys unhappily. I can vote for Donald.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 25, 2015 02:33 PM (2x3L+)

407 Eh, maybe he's prepping the battlespace for the next Fox debate (whenever that is)? Dunno, noodling out loud here. IF he's the by-far-leader that he is now, and refuses to do the debate if she's moderating? He wins, pretty big if Fox succumbs. Fox takes the hit if the #1 guy doesn't show for their little debate.

How long have we been saying that our candidates should boycott stacked debates, where the moderators are obviously out to get our candidate? Normally we mean Candy Crowley et al, but in this instance, nobody can deny Megyn had the knives out for Trump, so same thing.

That being said...he was probably just being a little bitch, not playing 9-dimensional-chess, lol.

Posted by: Oedipus at August 25, 2015 02:33 PM (CXLVd)

408 395 Your can knock Trump all you want and with good cause, but Jeb's pretty amazing fall in the polls is due in not small part to Trump going after him.

Jeb has said he doesn't want to spend money on women's health and that Asians are the 'real' anchor baby problem.

He's a trainwreck even without Trump.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 25, 2015 02:33 PM (ph/F7)

409 IOW, by pounding at her, is he signaling to the rest of the MFM, "you hit me with a bullshit question like this bimbo did, and I'll mail your ass back to you in a Pringles can!"

I have to agree. This is Trump raising the Jolly Rodger and firing a warning shot across the bow of the other moderators of up coming debates. I'd lay money that in the next debate they don't come anywhere near as hard at him as Fox did.

Posted by: wrg500 at August 25, 2015 02:33 PM (sgrzZ)

410 Ace can help us see Megyn naked?

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:33 PM (6xtq3)

411 they are all ego.

he would be jesse ventura

it doesnt matter so why get so mad

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 02:33 PM (zOTsN)

412 Put Trump, O'Reilly and Geraldo in a room and we
could power the globe off their egos. So he's able to power 33% of the
globe and there's value in that. But look at the self-aggrandizing
company he keeps!

Posted by: grandmalcaesar at August 25, 2015 02:32 PM (Cirob)

THREAD WINNER!!

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (0FSuD)

413 I will say this: if a Democrat wins the presidency in 2016 - as I expect - I believe Fox News will abandon its pro-America somewhat right-leaning slant and go full CNN.

I'm gonna walk away from this thread because people are getting too wound up and saying things they'll regret later against people they would never upset or attack normally. But first I want to agree with a couple of previous thoughts.

First: Ace's point about extreme cheerleading. That's not a sign of intellectual maturity or discernment, its mindless side-taking.

Second, as Nip Sip notes, puppy love for a politician is just idiotic. Never go full fan boy. Never. These are people who do not deserve the loyalty or the support at that level. At best a politician is someone you should regretfully hold your nose to vote for. They're all lying scum at this level of power.

people need to realize that its for all the cards. We do this ever 4 years and the nation is neither saved nor obliterated by the election. Some things matter a lot more: like friends and online 'friends.'

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (39g3+)

414 It's one thing to stick it to the media (which I love) and quite another to keep poking unbaited.

I didn't like Kelly's smug performance at the debates and do believe that they were lobbing gotcha questions but that is our political landscape. Call them out on it hard but don't make unforced fouls.

He is in rude blowhard territory for me.

Posted by: Cheri at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (oiNtH)

415 Its the first time on this blog that I nodded to every sentence that Ive read. Though I have to say that for some of us this was apparent weeks ago!

Posted by: Begonia at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (5HFUz)

416
So not a trump fan but . . .
If he wants to have a feud with a reporter that's okay by me.
Reagan had one with Sam Donaldson
Bush I had one with Dan Rather
Sure she's a "gurl" and pseudo republican and therefore special. But in the end these feud's end up okay for the reporters involved. It might not be the worst thing in the world either. Most LIV have no idea who Megan Kelly is anyway. Also, while many conservatives watch foxa lot of thoseare disaffected because they see it as establishment republican i.e. almost as much of a problem as the democrats. In truth, I used to watch of fox news, but nowI don't watch it at all. Foxhas bigger problems than Donald Trump kvetching aboutMegan Kelly.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (5vV+V)

417 I guess the world had run out of talent.
Posted by: Sponge at August 25, 2015 02:30 PM (F4u7C)

--As a 'Nole fan, I am always amused when one of the mediocrities that are the Gaytor NFL quarterbacks resurfaces.

Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon! at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (vsbNu)

418 Rex Grossman is visiting Atlanta!!!

"Fuck it, I'm throwing it down the middle!"

Posted by: Ian S. at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (S+N7W)

419 eh, I don't care how many "journalists" he pisses on, so long as he keeps talking about ending illegal immigration.

Posted by: bystander at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (hKyl0)

420 Trump is jumping the shark here. It was a fair question and he is proving it at this moment.

Will he be calling Angela Merkel a fat slob as president.

Like anything, Some is good, too much is bad.

Its a mistake, someone will figure out how to counter his schtick soon

Posted by: The Jackhole at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (3mTyP)

421 I admit to being a very luke cool Trump supporter (Cruz is at the top of my list right now). But my support for Trump has nothing to do with Trump - whether he'd be a good president, whether or not he'd fuck something up, whether he'd be an abject failure, his hair...

My support for Trump extends only to him winning being a stick in the eye to both parties (a pox on all of them) and my belief that so what if he fucks shit up - as if professional politicians haven't gotten us to the edge of the cliff anyway. The odds we go over - in my opinion given all of the optimism I can muster - are so close to certainty that I'm of the opinion that it is better to rip the bandage off than to let the pain linger on and on.

Posted by: My Account Was Hacked!!! at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (BZAd3)

422 Trump also tweeted that now at 9 o'clock he changes the channel.

Seems like this guy watches (and reacts to) a lot of TV for a mover and a shaker.

Someone like Ben Carson bothers you because he doesn't seem to have much of a hand on the popular pulse. With Trump it's the opposite.

You get the feeling he's keeping up with all the nonsense that a president really shouldn't be. Whatever anecdote he happened to see or read lately, he's all angry about.

Certainly that appeals to like minds. But it's not a governing philosophy.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (z4tjN)

423 "Yeah me either. But then, I don't watch Fox News because it sucks for news information as much as any other 24 hour station. They just are dull, sensationalistic, and dialed down to 3rd grade intellect. I don't care if Fox News isn't as hostile toward me and the USA as the other news channels. That doesn't make it any good."

You are not a great American, buddy.

Posted by: Sean Hannity at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (OD2ni)

424 Trump is saying "Fox doesn't own me".

Who does that help? Trump.

Posted by: lonetown at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (M6Esb)

425 Who the fuck CARES about Megyn fuckin Kelly? She's a big girl, she can handle herself. It's really sickening to see you limp dicks "defend a lady's sacred honor". If Megyn was a man you wouldn't be saying squat, but because she's got a vagina everyone can't wait to squee about how horrible and mean that bad old Trump is. Absolutely fucking PATHETIC!!

Posted by: Ken at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (e+Rd6)

426 "yes, let's deny reality. Number one rated anchor on Fox, with big across-the-aisle respectability. let's pretend that no one likes the people we don't like."

She gets 2.7 million. That's peanuts in a country of
330 million. You are giving her way too much credit. She's a "product" Fox uses to sell soap. She's a biased participant like most newspeople/journolisters. I know she's got an angle and it's not my angle so I don't care her little feelings were offended.

FOX is Rupert Murdoch who brings us propoganda shows like GLEE - high school homosexual hour.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (OIgIO)

427 408 395 Your can knock Trump all you want and with good cause, but Jeb's pretty amazing fall in the polls is due in not small part to Trump going after him.

Jeb has said he doesn't want to spend money on women's health and that Asians are the 'real' anchor baby problem.

He's a trainwreck even without Trump.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 25, 2015 02:33 PM (ph/F7)

As soon as that "illegal immigration is an act of love" bullshit fell out of his gob, he burned himself with a lot of people.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (2Ojst)

428 We'll get what we deserve. We always do.

Posted by: Tommy V at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (NBoRH)

429 Jeb has said he doesn't want to spend money on women's health and that Asians are the 'real' anchor baby problem.

He's a trainwreck even without Trump.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 25, 2015 02:33 PM (ph/F7)

yeah but the pressure from Trump and the Right is showing us that under pressure, much like hillary, he will fold like a cheap chair

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:35 PM (gf8BH)

430 And, ace, I did read what you said. That was part of my point.

You criticize Trump (which is far different from defending Kelly) because he's picking a fight with an Establishment avatar.

But so what? Why does he care about that, unless he believes that he needs the Establishment? And based on current polling and the way his numbers have continued to rise, I think you'd have a hard time making the case that he needs the Establishment- especially just for getting the nomination.

So let's look at the options here.

1) He can drop the fight with Megyn Kelly and he neither gains nor loses anything. Anyone who dislikes him will continue to dislike him, those who like him will continue to like him, and the undecided remain undecided.

2) He can apologize to Megyn Kelly (no, this is not going to happen, but it is an option) in which case he only loses: those who don't like him will continue not to like him, and some of those who support him because he fights the Establishment will be less fond of him- seeing his apology as capitulation.

3) He can keep up the fight with Megyn Kelly, which is a gamble. He might lose more than he wins, but he might win more than he loses.

Now, a political thinker would go for choice 1 in a heartbeat. That's a safe choice. Someone who was in a position that he needed to reconcile with the Establishment might consider option 2 as well as option 1.

But I don't think Trump sees himself as needing to reconcile with the Establishment, and he's not a "safe choice" kind of guy- so he continues with #3.

And, so far, such strategy is helping him and not hurting him.

The reason I brought up CNN and MSNBC is not to point out any hypocrisy; it is to point out that you are probably viewing this from a completely different perspective than Trump. By your words, Trump should be concerned about what FoxNews thinks about him because they are "GOP TV."

To Trump, it seems, that's exactly why he *shouldn't* care about them. He's running against the DOPe as much as he is the Democrats. He's running a very populist campaign. Right now, that includes saying "F*ck you!" to all Establishment types- politicians, media personalities, the whole gang.

To get back to your opening statement- he needs to take his base and build on it. But he can't do that, yet. He first has to solidify that base. Right now he has a few people who actively like him for President. Much (most?) of his support is from people like me who can't actually ever envision him being President, but like the fact that -through Trump- we can give the DOPe the finger. Before he can move forward, he has to convince that group- the "pass the popcorn" or "burn it down" contingent -that he takes his candidacy seriously, and that he's going to play for keeps. Because if he doesn't, then he's going to lose those two groups about a month out from the first primary, and he likely knows that. He may lose them anyway, but he certainly can't keep them if they believe he's outlived his usefulness (giving the finger to the collective Establishment).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 25, 2015 02:35 PM (kff5f)

431
@ # 354

I think Kelly is doing an important service by asking ANY candidate a tough (and even unfair) question. The rest of the media is damn sure well going to do it.

We need our candidates Battle Tested. - And that includes Trump.

But it's also fair to point if NO ONE ELSE gets a shitty question like that in the debates.
Kelly/Fox was being selective in their 'tough love'.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 25, 2015 02:35 PM (l2dSQ)

432 410
Ace can help us see Megyn naked?

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:33 PM (6xtq3)

The tip jar would overflow!

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 02:35 PM (0FSuD)

433 >>>...also, it really is not good form to start throwing around
micro-aggressions like "faggot" at your commenters because you disagree
with them and think they're nowhere near as smart or well thought out as
you.

I am tired, as many of tired, of having Trump Legions insult us when we dare to find Trump less than perfect.

If TRUMP wants to insult me because I insulted him -- fine, he has that right.

But his legions have no right to turn a perfectly IMpersonal discussion about a the presidential election into their little opportunity to start throwing around insults on Trump's behalf, preteding they are One With the Trump.

I did not attack anyone who did not attack me.

And no, an attack on Trump is NOT an attack on Trump supporter, and he has no right to treat it as if it were (and thus inviting of an insult towards the person who insulted Trump), unless you're a fucking child who should not be part of any political discussion.

We should be free to debate the major political figures without some crass, emotional idiots turning every such attempt at discussion into a playground for insults.

Frankly, there are some people who are not capable of more than that, which is why they attempt to bring every discussion down to their low level.

But I don't have to put up with this, and neither should anyone else.

as I said, if you want to crtiticize what I WROTE, fine. that's the point of discussion.

But this go-to "argument' by some assholes of just saying "You're an establishment cuck-sucker who HATES the working man" or whatever class-based retard bullshit argument they're using today?

No. Just no.

everyone has the right to insult back anyone who insulted him, personally. But no, you do not have the right to insult someone who has found fault not with you but with a candidate you're currently hero-worshipping.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:35 PM (dciA+)

434 maybe this is where he steals votes from Hillary

hee hee

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 02:35 PM (zOTsN)

435 >>Your can knock Trump all you want and with good cause, but Jeb's pretty amazing fall in the polls is due in not small part to Trump going after him.

Which is great. But we aren't voting for months. If Trump is going to have power past the summer he needs to pick his fights more appropriately.

I don't even know why this is controversial. People here are saying that Kelly was out of bounds for asking Trump about his comments on twitter calling Rosie (at least) a bimbo and other names when just last night Trump decided to call Kelly a bimbo on twitter.

Does nobody see the stupidity (not to mention irony) of this?

Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 02:35 PM (OGm46)

436 The tip jar would overflow!
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 02:35 PM (0FSuD)

That's not the only thing...

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 02:35 PM (2Ojst)

437 381
Trump is going to send the beaners packing.

Posted by: Fox is done! at August 25, 2015 02:35 PM (gxyha)

438 BTW, when is the mobile- and tablet-friendly responsive mobile version of ASOHQ going to be rolled out?

Posted by: Sphynx at August 25, 2015 02:35 PM (OZmbA)

439 The art of the deal: people talking about Trump (for good or bad), and CNN boxed in on line of questions. It's a smart (if crass) play. Side question: when he drops out before the SEC primaries, having won delegates from Iowa to Florida, who does the kingmaker appoint?

Posted by: m0x at August 25, 2015 02:36 PM (07+D0)

440 "To be clear: Trump has never said anything that suggests he dislikes women in general.".....Have you seenhis wife? I've got a feeling he really, really, really loves women.

Posted by: Bosk at August 25, 2015 02:36 PM (n2K+4)

441 Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:29 PM (dciA+)

I'm sure you've heard The Donald on Stern. He's running his campaign like he does his Stern interviews. He's also had feuds with more people than just Rosie which he has ranted about on Stern. It's who he is and I don't think he's going to change.

I would also like to point out that you are consistent as you also correctly admonished Palin for responding to every little insult thrown her way.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 02:36 PM (zoyKY)

442 The point is I'm sitting here watching a silly Celebrity Twitter fight like between Taylor Swift and Katy Perry, except one of the particiants here (indeed, the only participant here, as MK doesn't comment on the feud) claims he should be President of the US.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:29 PM (dciA+)

Both revel in the attention being paid to them, remember that. Kelly is a television personality; Trump is a personality. With no attention they die like Tinkerbell.

Posted by: Josef "Not A Wallflower" Stalin at August 25, 2015 02:36 PM (hLRSq)

443 What could he possibly be thinking?

Answer: He's not thinking, he's emoting

Like I said before, Ace, he doesn't want the job. He just wants all the ego-stroking publicity.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 25, 2015 02:36 PM (nL0sw)

444 Fox News,,, Republican?
Well, GOPe republican, maybe.

Posted by: teej who wants a lab puppy at August 25, 2015 02:36 PM (Z7oqE)

445 I will say this: if a Democrat wins the presidency in 2016 - as I expect - I believe Fox News will abandon its pro-America somewhat right-leaning slant and go full CNN.

They're going that way regardless. Murdoch's given control of News Corp. over to his kids, who are all full-tilt SJWs and blame Roger Ailes for all of their failings the way Obama blames Bush.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 25, 2015 02:36 PM (S+N7W)

446 I'm telling you this is part of the deal Trump made with Ailes.

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 02:36 PM (9221z)

447 >>>But it's also fair to point if NO ONE ELSE gets a shitty question like that in the debates.
Kelly/Fox was being selective in their 'tough love'.

I agree... but explain to me how this insipid Taylor-Swift-vs.-Megyn-Kelly twitter fight (had all on Trump's side, as megyn rises above it, one would almost say "with presidential gravitas") advances any of Trump's interests.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:36 PM (dciA+)

448 As soon as that "illegal immigration is an act of love" bullshit fell out of his gob, he burned himself with a lot of people.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (2Ojst)

Sure but Trump is bring that to the forefront and holding his feet to the fire over it. Ya don't think the MSM or the other RINO Candidates was going to do that, did you? Personally I like what Trump is doing since ultimately, he is clearing the field for Cruz

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:36 PM (gf8BH)

449 RWC #304: Nice find! I'll need to spend some more time looking through those. Some of them seem to be gaffes according to the Michael Kinsley definition of accidentally telling the truth, but still: Quite a compilation.

Now off-topic, because this thread is getting addictive: My wife's Facebook feed is monolithically liberal. I was amused last night to see her friend's post asking about how to find a good divorce lawyer, since her husband says he'd vote for Trump if he got the R nomination. One of the responses:

"Why? He didn't lawyer up when you voted for Obama, TWICE."

Posted by: JPS at August 25, 2015 02:36 PM (Efsx0)

450
Hey, if Trump implodes over ANOTHER row with Kelly, maybe Ted Cruz will go into ascension.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 25, 2015 02:37 PM (l2dSQ)

451 Posted by: Bosk at August 25, 2015 02:36 PM (n2K+4)

Yes he's loved all three of his wives.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 02:37 PM (zoyKY)

452
Megan Kelly?

I'd hit it...

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 25, 2015 02:37 PM (HSmrB)

453 >>>
Like I said before, Ace, he doesn't want the job. He just wants all the ego-stroking publicity.

i think that's crazy. There is no man with an ego who doesn't like the idea of being president.

Trump likes toys and he likes property. Air Force One is the ultimate toy, and the White House is the ultimate prestige address.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:37 PM (dciA+)

454 People are forgetting whose blog it is.

Posted by: joncelli
---
Nope. Just pointing out the obvious. Ace is not calling out unethical partisan journalism.

He is attacking Trump for calling out unethical partisan journalism.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 02:37 PM (E5UB0)

455 Strange days have found us.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 25, 2015 02:38 PM (7+Vuv)

456 354 >>>Why didn't Ace's message about Megan Kelly fail to mention that she spent the first several minutes of her show totally trashing Trump and asking leading questions of her guests to get them to do the same?

Ace makes it sound like it was unprovoked. The opposite is true.

...

1, because I didn't know that, and 2, Insolent Journalism.

Megyn Kelly is not hero-worshipping Trump and ergo will have questions about him.

Are you saying she's not allowed to have questions?

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:27 PM (dciA+)

Wait, that true? Then it's complete BS to bring up Trump's response as some sort of problem.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 25, 2015 02:38 PM (LXJ1e)

457 There is an excellent article about this at The Conservative Treehouse blog- link in my nic. I think there are lots of things going on that we don't know about. Mark Steyn was saying how many conservative columnists are trying to diss him.

Posted by: Chilling the most at August 25, 2015 02:38 PM (qoEvC)

458 He is attacking Trump for calling out unethical partisan journalism.

Well, if that's the case trump is in for a really bumpy ride from the "media" If He can't take Megan, wait till CNN get's a hold of him...

Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 02:39 PM (hUdMz)

459 One of the responses:

"Why? He didn't lawyer up when you voted for Obama, TWICE."

Nice.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 02:39 PM (/kI1Q)

460 1, because I didn't know that, and 2, Insolent Journalism.

Megyn Kelly is not hero-worshipping Trump and ergo will have questions about him.

Are you saying she's not allowed to have questions?

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:27 PM (dciA+)

Depends on what the questions where, in what context they were asked as to whether they were professional or not.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 25, 2015 02:39 PM (LXJ1e)

461 Ace, you still want us to point out the International Man of Cocksuckery?

Posted by: Fox is done! at August 25, 2015 02:33 PM (gxyha)

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 25, 2015 02:39 PM (evdj2)

462 I am completely baffled by how trolling Megyn is a good strategery to be prez, but I have a larger concern about Trump that overshadows that.

During the yuuuge rally in Alabama, Trump made a joke about taking the money of big donors, then turning around and screwing them by not doing anything he promised. The audience ate it up.

Why? If he is willing to stab in the back business associates and friends, why on earth would he not stab in the back a faceless populace he does not even know, once he's locked in their votes?

This is the syndrome of the women who steals a man from his first wife, then neeeever thinks he will stray from her. It's concerning and needs to be addressed: how devoted is he really to the average Trump supporter? Do they really think he will not stray? What proof has he given he won't?

Posted by: LizLem at August 25, 2015 02:39 PM (hvf9s)

463 When is the CNN debate going to be?

Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon! at August 25, 2015 02:40 PM (vsbNu)

464 i dunno but why all this cucksucker wording lately . i saw it here and sooper mexican (to my dismay)

so these cucker speakers come from where?
are they even a part of conservativeness or something other?

anyway where i saw it presented was twiiter pasted posts on both sites i mentioned..
who Are They?

Posted by: willow at August 25, 2015 02:40 PM (nqBYe)

465 >>>Stop being a stupid little bitch and start talking like a god-damned grownup, you imbecile.

Translation: let someone unjustly attack you and if you make any sort of response you are a "stupid little bitch" and an "imbecile"

Certainly, there's a stupid little bitch and an imbecile involved here, but it's not Trump.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 02:40 PM (E5UB0)

466 Ace. I appreciate that you are still here (or were a minute or two ago) mixing it up.

Right now Trump is in a purely marketing phase of his campaign where the most important thing to do is to get noticed (seems to be working).

He has already started to put out some fairly reasonable explanations of *how* he would do some of the crazy things he suggests (e.g. have Mexico pay for the wall --- it *is* feasible).

The next phase of the campaign is the "job interview" which begins some time before the primaries. I don't really know when that would be. October/November would be reasonable. By that time all the craziness should be over.

There was a post at hot-gas a few days ago on Trump's 2011 campaign. I had forgotten it entirely. Trump has said that he gave it up then because he had too many other obligations (one of which was The Apprentice). It is quite clear that he has thought seriously about this for quite a long time.

For now, I just plan to enjoy the ride ... if he blows it, there is always Cruz.

Posted by: gh at August 25, 2015 02:40 PM (YlqSL)

467 I agree... but explain to me how this insipid Taylor-Swift-vs.-Megyn-Kelly twitter fight (had all on Trump's side, as megyn rises above it, one would almost say "with presidential gravitas") advances any of Trump's interests.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:36 PM (dciA+)

1) It doesn't of course
2) what are his interests?
3) From my point of view from the Right he is exciting "Our" base and hopefully making that a asset for someone like Cruz in the long run
4) He's a jerk, so? We did not already know that?
5) And most important, Hey Ace ya got any good restaurant suggestions in NYC?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:40 PM (gf8BH)

468 440
"To be clear: Trump has never said anything that suggests he dislikes
women in general.".....Have you seenhis wife? I've got a feeling he
really, really, really loves women.

Posted by: Bosk at August 25, 2015 02:36 PM (n2K+4)

You make joke right. Read #36 "You've got to treat women like shit"

http://tinyurl.com/o2kgrow

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 02:41 PM (0FSuD)

469
@#447

I'm not sure I can convincingly do that, ace.
Like I said, I'd have advised against it.
But I do think he's doing it for a reason. Maybe he's convinced the anger of those who love Kelly will blow over (after all he just said he likes her show better without it) and so thinks the free media is clear net plus.

I would have urged that the risk isn't worth it.
But what the hell do I know? I'm just some dude with a weak internet connection.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 25, 2015 02:41 PM (l2dSQ)

470 yes, for god's sakes, of course he does. He's sure not going to get many minorities; Hispanics rate him MINUS FIFTY ONE, positive minus negative.

He needs pretty much almost all the white people who aren't card-carrying socialists or government workers.

So yes, that means that he's going to need those Comfortable Class White Suburban voters you don't seem to like.

The fact that you don't like 'em doesn't mean you don't need 'em.

Posted by: ace

I still think that Trump could flip NY State to the GOP in the general election, and with all those NY electoral votes plus the standard "gimme" states that always go GOP, he actually could win the electoral college quite easily without even having to bother with the usual Pennsylvanias ad Ohios of this world.

There has been no polling yet as to Trumps' popularity in NY State, but considering his 100% name-recognition there, I'd bet he's within range of flipping NY red. And if he does, the Dems have no chance in 2016, because NY and CA are the bedrock of their electoral road.

Posted by: zombie at August 25, 2015 02:41 PM (jBuUi)

471 Too bad I don't trust Trump to do the things he's saying, but:
(a) at least he IS saying them
(b) I don't trust anyone else either

there
are only two damn things that voters should concern themselves over,
national security and the economy. Illegal immigration counts for both.
Trump (on paper) is addressing that.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at August 25, 2015 02:23 PM (A9KzJ)

This fool gets it.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 02:41 PM (Vf5rR)

472 447 >>>But it's also fair to point if NO ONE ELSE gets a shitty question like that in the debates.
Kelly/Fox was being selective in their 'tough love'.

What shitty question do you think could be asked of the other candidates? I guarantee you that if another candidate had called people as many names as Trump has they would be asked to explain themselves. As it is, Kelly didn't even scratch the surface on the dumb shit Trump has said.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 02:41 PM (zoyKY)

473 Can we get Trump on the podcast? I'm pretty sure Ace will get him to swear a lot.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 25, 2015 02:41 PM (2x3L+)

474 When someone says "Strong Woman". What they're trying to say is that the person in question is well integrated and stands up for themselves in the face of unprovoked assault.

What the reality is is that the person in question is a whiny, bitchy, self righteous a'hole who thinks that managers (or strong women) should act like idiots and throw their weight around despite knowing nothing about the subject at hand.

But because they have a vagina suddenly any criticism is misogyny and those doing so have problems with "strong women".

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 25, 2015 02:41 PM (x3GpS)

475 Nah he's hitting Megyn because she's back from her vacation.

Somebody probably tweeted about it and Trump took it from there.

It doesn't take much to egg him on.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 25, 2015 02:41 PM (oFCZn)

476 >>>And, so far, such strategy is helping him and not hurting him.

but it's not. Trump cannot win the presidency with 35% of a 35% party.

There is Good Trump and there is Bad Trump. You are claiming that all Good Trump is also Bad Trump and vice versa; nonsense.

One can avoid self-destructive things while doing self-advancing things.

Trump is gaining ground, but he is also hard-capping his maximum level of support. if he caps that below 50% -- well, do the math.

He cannot afford to lose reliable Republian voters, for crying out loud.

Why is this so hard for you to understand? Even when Republicans win the presidency (which hasn't happened in quite a while, and only barely happned in 2000 and 2004), they do so with a slim advantage.

Crunch the numbers for me and tell me how trump wins with 25% of normally-reliable Republicans sitting the election out.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:42 PM (dciA+)

477

Yes, this was a j@ck@ss move.

I suspect there is more to this than we know, but why doesn't Trump address that instead of calling her a bimbo.

He was avoiding her show already, which makes me wonder why. He has no problem and a lot of respect for Greta, a show he is on all of the time, and I would assume also Laura Ingraham, both strong Fox women.

Something is up there, but don't act like a dumbass, explain why, or shut up about it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 02:42 PM (qCMvj)

478 Could it just be the twitterati equivalent of stray voltage?

Posted by: DaveA at August 25, 2015 02:42 PM (DL2i+)

479 425 - Donald, is that you?

Posted by: Cheri at August 25, 2015 02:42 PM (oiNtH)

480 Its better to burnout than to fade away

Posted by: The Jackhole at August 25, 2015 02:42 PM (3mTyP)

481 I am one of the Comfortable Class White Suburbans, which is perhaps why I don't like them. It's hard to look at willful ignorance on a daily basis and respect the normal motivations that generate that ignorance, even if I understand why they exist.

Moving on..

Can Trump's focus on illegal immigration depress the black turnout that the democong need to win?

Can he pull the democrat union voters?

Are there ENOUGH Comfortable Class White Suburbans that don't fall into the Miss Priss category? How many of the Suburbans are there that won't rock the boat publicly, but will vote privately against do-gooderism? (How many Soccer Dads would like to pop their yappy wives one in the mouth, but will take it out in the voting booth instead?<snicker> )

Posted by: Grad School Fool at August 25, 2015 02:42 PM (A9KzJ)

482 I saw a comedy skit one time (maybe on SNL) about a candidate who had won the election but who continued to taunt his opponent. Trump is the closest I've ever seen in real life.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 25, 2015 02:42 PM (7+Vuv)

483 Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:35 PM (dciA+)

You would be terrible at sales. "Don't call your customers a faggot" is like day one shit.

But anyways, fine. Its election season -- lots of new nics and trolly types in here. Why punch down? Just ignore them like the rest of us do.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:42 PM (AkOaV)

484 210: "you're such a fucking idiot.....blah...spit..vomit...etc."

You seem to be confusing different commenters. Commenter "A" says something that upsets you, and then you get real nasty with anyone else downstream who isn't wholeheartedly agreeing with you.

Granted, there are some here who are less than temperate in their opinions. But I'm curious what I did/said that would be deserving of such a, dare I say it, Trump like response?

It's your house and you're gonna do you. I'm ok with that. But the road you are going down right now appears to be paved with footballs that are small and greenish in hue.

If it will make you feel better, I'll gladly front for a liter of ValuRite for you. If that won't do the trick, maybe a rabies shot would work better.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at August 25, 2015 02:42 PM (UPYPp)

485 I agree... but explain to me how this insipid Taylor-Swift-vs.-Megyn-Kelly twitter fight (had all on Trump's side, as megyn rises above it, one would almost say "with presidential gravitas") advances any of Trump's interests.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:36 PM (dciA+)

It doesn't because you're correct in your rant and those that are misinterpreting your post are exactly what you've said they are.

Posted by: Sponge at August 25, 2015 02:42 PM (F4u7C)

486 Must be one helluva movie to garner this much debate.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 25, 2015 02:43 PM (fWAjv)

487 Posted by: Fox is done! at August 25, 2015 02:35 PM (gxyha)

FUN FACT: Historically, Serbians have been known by their neighbors as the Beaners of the Balkans.

Posted by: Soledad O'Brien's Earpiece at August 25, 2015 02:43 PM (8ZskC)

488 347 If she's going to come out of the gate at the first Republican debate and start off with the well-worn the-right-hates-women trope

What a load. She asked Trump specifically of being misogynist, and quoted him in evidence.

Posted by: MTF at August 25, 2015 02:26 PM (LISuA)
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He may be a DemocRAT, but he sounds more like a conservative than any of the other republican candidates.

The reason Ms. Kelly asked the question is because of her personal dislike for man (justified or not). But, it cannot be left up to journalists to pick and choose who's going to run in an election. She was trying to take him out and she failed. She deserves a little derision for her efforts.

Any, by the way, she sucks as a journalist and TV personality.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at August 25, 2015 02:43 PM (uRumV)

489 Can we get Trump on the podcast? I'm pretty sure Ace will get him to swear a lot.
Posted by: L, Elle
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Heh, maybe Trump could fire ace and replace him with a real conservative.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 02:43 PM (E5UB0)

490 Trump should have said to Megyn, "srsly Megyn are we going to debate inanities or are we going to debate ideas to save the country?

i know he was sandbagged but just because it is GOP TV does not mean they aren't the enemy politically

Posted by: willow at August 25, 2015 02:43 PM (nqBYe)

491 Honestly, Fox News and Megyn Kelly are crap. They are at least on the right side of the crappy crappy crappy media that we have in American, but they are still crap. Bottom line: Fox News is crap. Megyn Kelly is crap. Sean Hannity is crap. Bill O'Reilly is crap. Greta is crap, Shep is crap, Fox Friends is crap. Crap.

For that matter Trump is crap too, but at least he's honestly calling out Fox as crap. No other slimeball R politician has the balls to do that.

Posted by: BJ at August 25, 2015 02:43 PM (CbxSY)

492 Posted by: zombie at August 25, 2015 02:41 PM (jBuUi)

--If Trump wins NY, I'd bet PA and OH are already in the bag but then maybe he'd appeal more to white-collar than blue-collar voters.

Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon! at August 25, 2015 02:43 PM (vsbNu)

493 Why? If he is willing to stab in the back business associates and friends, why on earth would he not stab in the back a faceless populace he does not even know, once he's locked in their votes?

Because as Ace wisely said 2 or 3 podcasts ago, GOP voters post-2014 just assume everything politicians say prior to the election is a lie. So why not go with the guy who's at least admitting how the game is really played by Boehner et. al?

Posted by: Ian S. at August 25, 2015 02:43 PM (S+N7W)

494 Now Trump may be vulgar and common for retweeting the word "bimbo" but he is also very clear that what she did in the debate was some of the same crappy debate moderation that has gone on before, and it needs to stop.

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Except it won't do anything to prevent a Candy Crowley moment. The people who currently moderate debates thrive on attention, negative or positive. Kelly's getting plenty, here. A leftist journalist would shank their grandmother to be targeted by Trump this way.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at August 25, 2015 02:44 PM (GvNnD)

495 trump is running as an old fashioned tent revival populist ala Huey Long

it ist about ideology. Its about his sense of that the people want

I will be very suprised if he wins

and if he wins I will be even more suprised if he delivered 1/4 of what he is promising

he is a liar and an egomaniac They all are

but if he delivers on that 1/4 he is still miles ahead of the rest of them

no one will lose a vote attacking the media in this election. The public reviles the media. Its a populist move to attack the media

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 02:44 PM (zOTsN)

496 Amazing how many conservatives discover their inner arch country club republican and whenever someone on "our side" gets down and dirty. Trump fired off a few tweets at Megyn Kelly. BFD! And as for "class," give me a break. That ship sailed a long time ago in this country. The media hates Trump and the vulgar Americans he represents, so fu*k them. Trump is having some fun with some tweets, who gives a shite.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 25, 2015 02:44 PM (s/yC1)

497 >>>But I do think he's doing it for a reason. Maybe he's convinced the anger of those who love Kelly will blow over (after all he just said he likes her show better without it) and so thinks the free media is clear net plus.

did you go to the link? It's not MK, who remains silent about all of this.

It's ALL THE FOX ANCHORS, and Roger Ailes, who is warning Trump that this could cause a serious blowback from Fox.

Now, spin that for me and tell me how that advances trump's interests, and is a well-thought-out plan.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:44 PM (dciA+)

498 489 Can we get Trump on the podcast? I'm pretty sure Ace will get him to swear a lot.
Posted by: L, Elle
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Heh, maybe Trump could fire ace and replace him with a real conservative

Pretty snarky... You do know that Trump isn't exactly a "Conservative" don't You?

Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 02:44 PM (hUdMz)

499 Why is this so hard for you to understand? Even when Republicans win the presidency (which hasn't happened in quite a while, and only barely happned in 2000 and 2004), they do so with a slim advantage.

Crunch the numbers for me and tell me how trump wins with 25% of normally-reliable Republicans sitting the election out.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:42 PM (dciA+)

Some just refuse to accept the fact that "big media" still controls a majority of the voters in this country. 50 to 54% of Americans are lazy and don't pay attention to any of this shit and only vote how their parents and grandparents did or believe what NBC nightly news tells them.

Posted by: Sponge at August 25, 2015 02:44 PM (F4u7C)

500 hey fuck-face,

I didn't say anything like that, you stupid demagogic shitheel.

So go fuck you with your assholery, you cunt.

Fuck off and die

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 01:54 PM (dciA+)

Absolute thread winner.
Blog winner, too.

lol
oh, God love ya' Ace

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 02:44 PM (qCMvj)

501 Ace why do you care what Trump says or does? You gave up on the GOP. Embrace the middle finger as many of us have.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 25, 2015 02:45 PM (LXJ1e)

502 >>> I have more pressing problems - they are getting rid of Joy-Joy. She is being sent back to the herd she came from. That is fancy talk for being turned into a kebob.

Noooooo! What is the point of cute webcams if they only break my heart! ;_____;

Posted by: LizLem at August 25, 2015 02:45 PM (hvf9s)

503 >>>Amazing how many conservatives discover their inner arch country club republican and whenever someone on "our side" gets down and dirty. Trump fired off a few tweets at Megyn Kelly. BFD! And as for "class," give me a break. That ship sailed a long time ago in this country. The media hates Trump and the vulgar Americans he represents, so fu*k them. Trump is having some fun with some tweets, who gives a shite.

see what i mean? It's the only mode of discussion some of these hooting apes can have.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:45 PM (dciA+)

504 >>i guess i should say something about kelly, I think she does her job for the most part, I do also think she and the gop sand bagged that 1st debate.
But i also think Trump shouldtake that energy and put it into actually attacking the leadership that has really shit on the country and law

Well said, willow!!

Posted by: Lizzy at August 25, 2015 02:45 PM (NOIQH)

505 Jello wrestling match - Kate Upton or Megyn Kelly?

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:45 PM (6xtq3)

506 everything has to be brought down to their low level, always, and we're supposed to all join them at that low level, just so they can participate.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:45 PM (dciA+)

507 Over 500? Really?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 25, 2015 02:45 PM (4AVeu)

508 I find faggoty less offensive than the suggestion that Trump supporters are closeted Nazis. Leave that shit to the Left, please.

Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon! at August 25, 2015 02:45 PM (vsbNu)

509
474 When someone says "Strong Woman". What they're trying to say is that the person in question is well integrated and stands up for themselves in the face of unprovoked assault.

What the reality is is that the person in question is a whiny, bitchy, self righteous a'hole who thinks that managers (or strong women) should act like idiots and throw their weight around despite knowing nothing about the subject at hand.

But because they have a vagina suddenly any criticism is misogyny and those doing so have problems with "strong women".
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 25, 2015 02:41 PM (x3GpS)

Preach it!

When members of her family spoke of my idiotic DiL as being a "strong woman" and how would my son handle that, I wondered when being a whiny, self-absorbed, shallow and ill-informed bitch was redefined to be a "strong woman".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 25, 2015 02:45 PM (BK3ZS)

510 Trump is jumping the shark here. It was a fair question and he is proving it at this moment. Will he be calling Angela Merkel a fat slob as president. Like anything, Some is good, too much is bad. Its a mistake, someone will figure out how to counter his schtick soon
Posted by: The Jackhole at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (3mTyP)

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As I said upthread, it'll be interesting to see how all of this washes out in the polls. Predictions be damned. We're in brand new territory now.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2015 02:46 PM (P25Hh)

511 I don't care about any of this bitch nonsense. White-knighting for some go-gurl feminist is no more acceptable when she's on Fox than it is when she shits up CNN or MSNBC.

Trump is generating Tera-joules of butthurt and that is more than worth my vote.

"Can't win" I Don't Care!
"Uses the term Anchor Babies" I Don't Care!
"Makes the cucks cry" I Don't Care!
"Pisses of Roger Ailes" I Don't Care!
"Talks shit to Princess Megan" I Don't Care!

Posted by: baldur5 at August 25, 2015 02:46 PM (RhKGL)

512 505 Jello wrestling match - Kate Upton or Megyn Kelly?
Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:45 PM (6xtq3)

Why "or"?

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 02:46 PM (2Ojst)

513 This circular firing squad is gonna run out of bullets soon

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:46 PM (gf8BH)

514 The problem here is obvious. It's Jeb Bush. There is not one inquisitive question to be asked of him. There is no downside.
He's golden.

Posted by: Drider at August 25, 2015 02:46 PM (DNFK1)

515 we need some cuteness........

http://tinyurl.com/nfxa2la zeus the 8 wk old gs puppeh

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 25, 2015 02:46 PM (0O7c5)

516 When does Trump start his beer hall tour? Will his official campaign uniform be brown shirts?

Awesome! Way to Godwin yourself. What are you, 10?

Posted by: GMan at August 25, 2015 02:46 PM (sxq57)

517 maybe he is "growing the party"

seriously, by hitting Fox news he is hitting on LIV dems, picking from Hillary's pocket

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 02:47 PM (zOTsN)

518 Its the first time on this blog that I nodded to every sentence that Ive read. Though I have to say that for some of us this was apparent weeks ago!

Posted by: Begonia at August 25, 2015 02:34 PM (5HFUz)

Heroin will do that to ya....

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 25, 2015 02:47 PM (aRgrb)

519 Man, as someone said above, we always get what we deserve.

I am not defending Kelly, I don't care. Trump is fucking up.

Posted by: The Jackhole at August 25, 2015 02:47 PM (3mTyP)

520 Note to Ms. Kelley (anointed well respected journalist who decided she wantes to sling some poo....You called down the thunder! Run, you cur! Tell 'em I'm coming and Hell's coming with me! You hear? Hell's. Coming. With. Me!! 11!!!!

Posted by: Russkilitlover at August 25, 2015 02:47 PM (coyNv)

521 Why don't you take the position that Megyn Kelly should apologize for being partisan? You never argue for your position, you just assert bullshit.

People are starting to be conscious of when self serving cretins merely assert bullshit without offering supporting arguments.

Where the fuck are your arguments?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 02:47 PM (E5UB0)

522 473
Can we get Trump on the podcast? I'm pretty sure Ace will get him to swear a lot.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 25, 2015 02:41 PM (2x3L+)

After this headline? It looks like Trump spurned Ace's advances already.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 02:47 PM (Vf5rR)

523 "Trump likes toys and he likes property. Air Force One is the ultimate toy, and the White House is the ultimate prestige address."

And this is why you'll never understand what's going on here. You don't get Trump. You'll continue to be mystified why he keeps going up in the polls.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 25, 2015 02:47 PM (OIgIO)

524 Jello wrestling match - Kate Upton or Megyn Kelly?
Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:45 PM (6xtq3)

Nancy Reagan could take them both with one arm tied behind her back

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:47 PM (gf8BH)

525 So...

Anyone have a good Baja recipe for carne asada marinade?

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at August 25, 2015 02:47 PM (z5Hds)

526 >>>Honestly, Fox News and Megyn Kelly are crap. They are at least on the right side of the crappy crappy crappy media that we have in American, but they are still crap. Bottom line: Fox News is crap. Megyn Kelly is crap. Sean Hannity is crap. Bill O'Reilly is crap. Greta is crap, Shep is crap, Fox Friends is crap. Crap.

fox news is generally crap but Megyn Kelly is a genuine talent, very smart, fun to watch.

She's also Establishment and liberal-leaning all all issues "affecting women."

Has she done much with Planned Parenthood? I ask, not knowing the answer. I don't watch her all the time, just sometimes.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:48 PM (dciA+)

527 513 This circular firing squad is gonna run out of bullets soon
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:46 PM (gf8BH)

Firing squad implies precision. This is more like circular naval bombardment.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 02:48 PM (2Ojst)

528
Maybe he thinks attacking "right wing" Fox, then in the general he can get people who hate Fox to vote for him.

I don't really believe that, I just think he is an egotistical a-hole. Reminds me of how obama acts actually.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 25, 2015 02:48 PM (ODxAs)

529 For that matter Trump is crap too, but at least he's honestly calling out Fox as crap. No other slimeball R politician has the balls to do that.

Posted by: BJ at August 25, 2015 02:43 PM (CbxSY)

Fine. But to Ace's point, how does that help Trump or anyone else running for president? Like it or not, Fox is the GOP mouthpiece as is EVERY OTHER NEWS CHANNEL for the libs. Pissing it off does what for the "conservative" cause?

Posted by: Sponge at August 25, 2015 02:48 PM (F4u7C)

530 >>>But it's also fair to point if NO ONE ELSE gets a shitty question like that in the debates. Kelly/Fox was being selective in their 'tough love'.
I'm old enough to remember when Michael Dukakis was asked what he would do/how he would feelif his wife Kitty was raped. That, I think, was the worst and most inappropriate question ever asked in a national political debate, and it was done to a Democrat.

Posted by: troyriser at August 25, 2015 02:48 PM (Bvf82)

531 >>>And this is why you'll never understand what's going on here. You don't get Trump. You'll continue to be mystified why he keeps going up in the polls.

rolling eyes

yes he's doing it to Make American Great Again

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:48 PM (dciA+)

532 485 I agree... but explain to me how this insipid Taylor-Swift-vs.-Megyn-Kelly twitter fight (had all on Trump's side, as megyn rises above it, one would almost say "with presidential gravitas") advances any of Trump's interests.

Well I bet it makes some reporters think about what kind of questions they ask him in the future if he goes Captain Ahab on all of them, especially if he ends up president.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at August 25, 2015 02:48 PM (TULs6)

533 It's the only mode of discussion some of these hooting apes can have.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:45 PM (dciA+)

No, it's just one mode, driven by deep frustration.

But "hoot, hoot!" if it makes you happy.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 25, 2015 02:48 PM (s/yC1)

534 512 who wins? And to make it socially and culturally acceptable, let's make it a charity jello wrestling match.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:49 PM (6xtq3)

535 You would be terrible at sales. "Don't call your customers a faggot" is like day one shit.

But anyways, fine. Its election season -- lots of new nics and trolly types in here. Why punch down? Just ignore them like the rest of us do.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:42 PM (AkOaV)

I notice you are still here, comrade.

Posted by: Josef "Sees All" Stalin at August 25, 2015 02:49 PM (hLRSq)

536 This circular firing squad is gonna run out of bullets soon

Advantage: Long Bow.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 25, 2015 02:49 PM (evdj2)

537 242 She doesn't even have to be slutty-naked. She could be artsy-naked.
Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:15 PM (6xtq3)

Posted this yesterday, here you go... pregnant Amanda Palmer posing as nude painted statue in front of the NY Public Library for a children's book donation thing. As you do.

Yes, the same Amanda Palmer that wrote the love letter poem for Joker, brother of Speedbump. Sadly was rejected by Teen Beat magazine.

http://neil-gaiman.tumblr.com/post/127261288956/perceval23-amanda-palmer-as-a-statue-for-a

Posted by: LizLem at August 25, 2015 02:49 PM (hvf9s)

538 btw....i've got the matches.......

elle king, america's sweetheart http://tinyurl.com/o7hefco

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 25, 2015 02:49 PM (0O7c5)

539 We are going to find out that in February 1970, a young Donald Trump met a young girl in Syracuse and they made mad, passionate love.

In November 1970, the woman had a child named Megyn Kendall, who eventually changed her name to . . . Megyn Kelly.

(cue violins)

"Daddy!"

"Pumpkin!"

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 25, 2015 02:49 PM (4AVeu)

540 ty lizzy , kinda hard to articulate any idea when the comments are so fast,.

Posted by: willow at August 25, 2015 02:49 PM (nqBYe)

541

I think it's reasonable to worry that Trump could be fatally capping his vote share.

But I doubt that he is.
Will it really make sense to sit out the election in November 2016 because in August 2015 Trump said he thought Megyn Kelly's show was better when she was on vacation?

I think this stuff gets forgotten.

And I think the national issues that WILL rise to the level of national consciousness will 'trump' any such trivial business as twitter spats with Fox News.

It's going to be yuuuuge election.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 02:49 PM (l2dSQ)

542 Gentlemen, can't we all agree that only journalists have the right to launch unfair and inappropriate attacks against their opponents?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 25, 2015 02:50 PM (7+Vuv)

543 "you just assert bullshit."

Ace does that a lot. He starts with what he thinks is an unbiased premise and then sticks with the biased premise through thick or thin.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 25, 2015 02:50 PM (OIgIO)

544 >>>Why don't you take the position that Megyn Kelly should apologize for being partisan? You never argue for your position, you just assert bullshit.

People are starting to be conscious of when self serving cretins merely assert bullshit without offering supporting arguments.

Where the fuck are your arguments?

...

i'll get right on your silly agenda-item of "demanding Megyn Kelly apologize for being a partisan"

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:50 PM (dciA+)

545 Crunch the numbers for me and tell me how trump wins with 25% of normally-reliable Republicans sitting the election out.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:42 PM (dciA+)

Helicopter rides for EVERYONE!

Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 25, 2015 02:50 PM (0FSuD)

546 rolling eyes

yes he's doing it to Make American Great Again

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:48 PM (dciA+)

Why all the cynicism? It says so right on his hat.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 25, 2015 02:50 PM (8ZskC)

547 I haven't seen Ace this passionate in a while.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:50 PM (gf8BH)

548 513 This circular firing squad is gonna run out of bullets soon
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:46 PM (gf8BH)

God, I hope so.

This is getting exhausting. It's like the comments here are turning in to twitter.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:50 PM (AkOaV)

549 >>yes he's doing it to Make American Great Again

He's got hats and everything.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 02:50 PM (OGm46)

550 but it's not. Trump cannot win the presidency with 35% of a 35% party.

There is Good Trump and there is Bad Trump. You are claiming that all Good Trump is also Bad Trump and vice versa; nonsense.

One can avoid self-destructive things while doing self-advancing things.

Trump is gaining ground, but he is also hard-capping his maximum level of support. if he caps that below 50% -- well, do the math.

He cannot afford to lose reliable Republian voters, for crying out loud.

Why is this so hard for you to understand? Even when Republicans win the presidency (which hasn't happened in quite a while, and only barely happned in 2000 and 2004), they do so with a slim advantage.

Crunch the numbers for me and tell me how trump wins with 25% of normally-reliable Republicans sitting the election out.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:42 PM (dciA+)

Sheesh, last week it was 25% of 25%, see where the numbers are going.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 25, 2015 02:50 PM (LXJ1e)

551 So far Trump is a one trick pony.... immigration.... something dear to My heart...... That being said I need more than broad generalizations... He needs to stop the whiney hurt feelings crap and move on... Nuff said on the subject for Me...

Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 02:50 PM (hUdMz)

552 >> I agree... but explain to me how this insipid Taylor-Swift-vs.-Megyn-Kelly twitter fight (had all on Trump's side, as megyn rises above it, one would almost say "with presidential gravitas") advances any of Trump's interests.
Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:36 PM (dciA+)

He can win buy getting the base + the Kardashian-watching LiVs who love him who aren't regular voters or are unregistered voters.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 25, 2015 02:51 PM (2x3L+)

553 "Megyn Kelly fucked up and hasn't apologized."

Bingo.

Trump is continuing to rip her a new one for this reason and a warning to any other fool in the media who is going to give him flack.

And its working.

Posted by: gdonovan at August 25, 2015 02:51 PM (2Ee1I)

554 Absolutely, I agree, a guy who builds massive hotels and who restored the Wollman Rink in 3 months can't plan at all. But a blogger...

Posted by: Cheops at August 25, 2015 02:51 PM (3//tw)

555 1) This is just like wrestling
2) it's all fake.
3) some of it's rehearsed
4) some of it's improv
5) none of it is real
6) none of it really matters
7) it is done for publicity and the attention of the fans

anyone who doesn't agree with 1-7 isn't thinking.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 25, 2015 02:51 PM (x3GpS)

556 All this passion should be aimed at hillary and the dems and Fredo and things like Black Lives matter

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:51 PM (gf8BH)

557 >>>Ace does that a lot. He starts with what he thinks is an unbiased premise and then sticks with the biased premise through thick or thin.

bias. noun. definition: having a propensity to express criticism of someone the Conservatively Correct crowd super-duper likes.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:51 PM (dciA+)

558 whew, faggots, hooting apes and cunts.
so we are mad, or is this just to slow argument?

Posted by: willow at August 25, 2015 02:51 PM (nqBYe)

559 Will a cob please throw up an open thread? It's ugly in here.

Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon! at August 25, 2015 02:51 PM (vsbNu)

560 Firing squad implies precision. This is more like circular naval bombardment.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 02:48 PM (2Ojst)

Running around tossing claymores at each other

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 25, 2015 02:51 PM (fWAjv)

561 This circular firing squad is gonna run out of bullets soon

Posted by: Nevergiveup

Upham! Upham! Upham, ammo g***mmit!

Posted by: Mellish at August 25, 2015 02:51 PM (/Ho8c)

562 482 I saw a comedy skit one time (maybe on SNL) about a candidate who had won the election but who continued to taunt his opponent. Trump is the closest I've ever seen in real life.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 25, 2015 02:42 PM (7+Vuv)

Obama has been doing that since he won.

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 02:51 PM (9221z)

563 Trump is not policy. Trump is punishment. The Titanic has been breached by the iceberg because of the venality and stupidity of the powers that be. We're done for. Trump will at least excoriate and execute the crew and the owner before the cold water covers us all.

Posted by: Semi-literate Thug at August 25, 2015 02:52 PM (aZsWm)

564 If Trump wins NY, I'd bet PA and OH are already in the bag but then maybe he'd appeal more to white-collar than blue-collar voters.
Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon!

I'm thinking that he specifically has a chance to flip NY (and not most centrist states) because he's a native New Yorker, he has 100% name recognition there, he acts like a New Yorker, and people tend to vote for "the native son," whatever his party. I could see him winning NY but losing other "swing" states.

Posted by: zombie at August 25, 2015 02:52 PM (jBuUi)

565
Fuck-face up thread must have pissed someone off to the extent it was called a cunt! Sally Kohn, is that you?

Posted by: Doctor Fish at August 25, 2015 02:52 PM (OiFtZ)

566 I notice you are still here, comrade.
Posted by: Josef "Sees All" Stalin at August 25, 2015 02:49 PM (hLRSq)

Yep, nailed it. I just popped in to this website for the first time today to troll people.

I have a few more sites on the list to troll before I can cash my sweet, sweet, Soros check.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:52 PM (AkOaV)

567 505 Jello wrestling match - Kate Upton or Megyn Kelly?
Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:45 PM (6xtq3)

HA! Trick Question! Its both! Not either or!

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 02:52 PM (9221z)

568 notice the continuing pattern -- some people are discussing the actual topic at hand, whereas others rush to their low comfort zone of just throwing invective at people who said something they disagree with.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:52 PM (dciA+)

569 so we are mad, or is this just to slow argument?

Posted by: willow

Yeah, we are mad, apparently.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our Republic and unwarranted fratricide at August 25, 2015 02:52 PM (/Ho8c)

570 yeah the comment at 242 make sense, he does have to reach more than 35 percent if he is serious, so he needs to swing at those deserving more wisely.

use time wisely

Posted by: willow at August 25, 2015 02:53 PM (nqBYe)

571 I really dont think that voters are going to care if he is mean to the media

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 02:53 PM (zOTsN)

572 Well I bet it makes some reporters think about what kind of questions they ask him in the future if he goes Captain Ahab on all of them, especially if he ends up president.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at August 25, 2015 02:48 PM (TULs6)

-------------------

That's exactly what I'm saying, you do it now or you do it later.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 25, 2015 02:53 PM (LXJ1e)

573 As someone who was a strong Palinista from '08-13, I'm sitting here wondering, "Dear God, is this what I sounded like"?

Posted by: stevea28 at August 25, 2015 02:54 PM (LoVhJ)

574 Jello wrestling match - Kate Upton or Megyn Kelly?

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:45 PM (6xtq3)

Da.

Posted by: Josef "Mustache Daddy" Stalin at August 25, 2015 02:54 PM (hLRSq)

575 This circular firing squad is gonna run out of bullets soon

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:46 PM (gf8BH)

That's when we break out the long bows and cross bows

Posted by: Country Singer at August 25, 2015 02:54 PM (nL0sw)

576 notice the continuing pattern -- some people are discussing the actual topic at hand, whereas others rush to their low comfort zone of just throwing invective at people who said something they disagree with.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:52 PM (dciA+)

Wait I didn't see moo moo here? let me get on my chem suit and boxing gloves

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:54 PM (gf8BH)

577 I'll just say this. I was at a party one time and I woke up with one of these candidates touching my inner thigh.

I won't say who it is but it wasn't Trump.

/sarc

Posted by: Drider at August 25, 2015 02:54 PM (DNFK1)

578
Oh, and also while I'm not entirely convinced:
There just might be something to the arguments that others in here are making that other interviewers will think twice before trying to play 'gotcha-politics!' with their questions to him.

Maybe Trump wants anyone who interviews him to realize that they could find themselves the object of unwanted Twitter (and other) media attention.

It's probably not so fun when the shoe's on the other foot.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 02:54 PM (l2dSQ)

579 fuck face and sugar tits......i love it!!! makes me laugh when i hear it.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 25, 2015 02:54 PM (0O7c5)

580
I'm just a little bit sorry because my PMS is active.

Posted by: The Donald at August 25, 2015 02:54 PM (OiFtZ)

581 I could see him winning NY but losing other "swing" states.
Posted by: zombie at August 25, 2015 02:52 PM (jBuUi)

--I'd be happy with that outcome. Maybe how he does in NH will be a decent proxy for NY. . . .

Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon! at August 25, 2015 02:54 PM (vsbNu)

582 >>>whew, faggots, hooting apes and cunts.
so we are mad, or is this just to slow argument?

i'm just tired of people who think a "political argument" consists of a personal attack against someone who said something you don't like, imputing secret forbidden motives to him, making up a strawman argument he never wrote, etc.

so yes I'm mad.

I'm trumpian mad. So the Trump Super Fans should praise my ability to "fight."

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:55 PM (dciA+)

583 >>- some people are discussing the actual topic at hand, whereas others rush to their low comfort zone of just throwing invective at people who said something they disagree with.

It's like the good old days!

AHOY!

Posted by: Palinisto at August 25, 2015 02:55 PM (ZqSB6)

584 >>Will a cob please throw up an open thread? It's ugly in here.

It's the 5 stages of grief over Buzzion's untimely death. We are currently in anger. We will be moving on to the dividing up his shit stage in a couple threads.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 02:55 PM (OGm46)

585 This is more like circular naval bombardment.

With seltzer bottles and cream pies.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 02:55 PM (/kI1Q)

586 hey this is great stuff. If I wan't wasting my time here, I'd be on the phone with BUMED and CNRFC fighting. So I love this

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:55 PM (gf8BH)

587 Can I just say this -- I don't care about Trump one way or another, and I don't care to care.

But I do like that someone (anyone!) is calling out all of the same assholes I'd like to call out if I had fuck you money and a huge megaphone.

I'm just along for the ride and am enjoying the show and the massive amounts of butt hurt among the crowd of people that need to have some butt hurt.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 02:56 PM (AkOaV)

588 //But because they have a vagina suddenly any criticism is misogyny and those doing so have problems with "strong women."//

From what I've seen, while Trump obviously dislikes all criticism, he is especially sensitive to criticism from strong women. Yes, I'd regard both Greta and Megyn as strong personalities.

Posted by: Sauropod at August 25, 2015 02:56 PM (G/vW6)

589 I'm trumpian mad. So the Trump Super Fans should praise my ability to "fight."

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:55 PM (dciA+)

You gotta have the hair, man

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 02:56 PM (9221z)

590 hmm, see i do think it is useful for Trump to lay it out there, but in politics as He should know well, you also should use those resources wisely.
Let Megyn go and move onto those really screwing with the laws , coercing others to shut up .
PC is a shanda but pick fights worth having and useful to americans in general

Posted by: willow at August 25, 2015 02:56 PM (nqBYe)

591 It's the 5 stages of grief over Buzzion's untimely death. We are currently in anger. We will be moving on to the dividing up his shit stage in a couple threads.

Buzzion's dead???? I bet it was that horrible anti-semite CBD!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 25, 2015 02:56 PM (ph/F7)

592 I'm not defending Trump but Kelly was a snarling cretin last night too. I watched 2-3 minutes and kept scrolling the cable lineup I haven't learned yet. Both are wrong.

Posted by: Lester at August 25, 2015 02:56 PM (2UPXV)

593 Trump is becoming a one trick pony. Triumph the insult dog. It's fun for a while, but it gets old at some point

Posted by: The Jackhole at August 25, 2015 02:57 PM (xsQZk)

594 Buzzion is dead?

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our Republic and unwarranted fratricide at August 25, 2015 02:57 PM (/Ho8c)

595 fox news is generally crap but Megyn Kelly is a genuine talent, very smart, fun to watch.

She's also Establishment and liberal-leaning all all issues "affecting women."

Has she done much with Planned Parenthood? I ask, not knowing the answer. I don't watch her all the time, just sometimes.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:48 PM (dciA+)

You have a positive view of Ms. Kelly. Have you considered the possibility that Trumps polling shows the people he is trying to court, don't?

Or more specifically, he's trying to beat Fox here. And she's the most visible way for him to do so. Doing it in his most artful way, of course.

I don't care know how this shakes out, I really don't. It would not bother me at all though, if in the end, Fox is dead, the Republican Party is dead, and whatever passes for whatever comes after them is alive and growing.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2015 02:57 PM (TOk1P)

596 >>>Oh, and also while I'm not entirely convinced:
There just might be something to the arguments that others in here are making that other interviewers will think twice before trying to play 'gotcha-politics!' with their questions to him.

i doubt it. You miss the whole punching up punching down thing.

To punch up, and be in a fight with a possible president, elevates a reporter.

For a frontrunning presidential candidate to keep punching down at reporters lowers him.

But for the reporter, it's all elevation.

so why would they shy away? They get elevated by being in a dispute with Trump.

far from scaring reporters off, it incentivizes reporters to go after him, with the one caveat that they can't look *too* eager to go after him.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:57 PM (dciA+)

597 Ace, pretty sure Trump has copyrighted "Trumpian", so he is gonna sue you for yyuuuggeee amounts of money for using his word.

Posted by: Penfold at August 25, 2015 02:57 PM (Fbt5B)

598 536 This circular firing squad is gonna run out of bullets soon

Advantage: Long Bow.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 25, 2015 02:49 PM (evdj2)

Long knives.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 02:57 PM (dXn35)

599 "I haven't seen Ace this passionate in a while"

He's getting personally attacked for asking a question about a questionable guy.

I'll hold my nose and ...support?...Trump unless someone better comes along, but some people do like a messiah figure. Look at all the democong that get pissed when you question their God-King.

I don't know if Trump CAN get elected, but I know the RINO lottery doesn't work either.

What ya gonna do? <shrug>

Posted by: Grad School Fool at August 25, 2015 02:57 PM (A9KzJ)

600 This is the last straw. I'm voting for Trump.

Posted by: Embrace nihilism at August 25, 2015 02:57 PM (pq97T)

601 I really dont think that voters are going to care if he is mean to the media
Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 02:53 PM (zOTsN)

-----------------------------------------

I don't think so either.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2015 02:58 PM (P25Hh)

602 Buzz Lightyear is dead!?

Posted by: Woody at August 25, 2015 02:58 PM (ZqSB6)

603 Got it, you don't like Trump. And you're getting angrier by the day as he bulldozes over everyone. You don't know it, but you're desperate to vote for Jeb! You're getting scared more every day and politicos use fear to get what they want. We have plenty of time, relax, and let Trump do his thing.

Everything you've written could be said about Jeb's campaign strategy too: stay in the race until people that hate you are forced to hold their nose and vote for you. I won't vote for JEB! Not ever.

Maybe Trump is thinking his feud with Kelly is good press, for both of them. Maybe she agrees and is in on it. He's done the feud thing before, many times. It keeps him in the papers.

We have five months until any real decisions have to be made. Trump is making a positive contribution to the process by forcing the candidates to take a stand. Without Trump we'd all be headed towards the inevitable election of JEB! and weak Republicans operating within the Left's framework.

Relax, we have time.

Posted by: Phil at August 25, 2015 02:58 PM (DjpfO)

604
@ comment #563:

That used to be my sole reason for "default" supporting Trump - as punishment to the GOP Estab. (I still think it's a pretty good reason.)

But now I want Trump because he's a convincing champion on fighting the Illegal Immigration crisis.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 02:58 PM (l2dSQ)

605 zombie, I'd bet Trump has 99+% name recognition in NJ as well, given his presence in Atlantic City and the NY 'burbs.

Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon! at August 25, 2015 02:58 PM (vsbNu)

606 553
"Megyn Kelly fucked up and hasn't apologized."

Yeah, what he said and me saying "You have to treat women like shit".

I was joking, really, wink wink. I love women, naked and on top.

Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 25, 2015 02:58 PM (0FSuD)

607 didn't we get a pic of Roger Ailes , Jeb Bush, andValerie Jarret at lunch recently?

Posted by: willow at August 25, 2015 02:58 PM (nqBYe)

608
I'm trumpian mad. So the Trump Super Fans should praise my ability to "fight."

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:55 PM (dciA+)

Embrace the middle finger. Come over to the Trump-side of the Force.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 25, 2015 02:58 PM (LXJ1e)

609

so they are changing the rules in some of the states

before you can run in the primary, you have to sign a paper pledging to support the eventual republican candidate

of course this is to keep Trump out

but it also binds them to support him, yes?

I really dont think they will do that. I think they will burn the party down first

just sort of interesting

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 02:58 PM (zOTsN)

610

I like how Trump never ceases to say Jeb! is slow

It's like a running joke now, but also has become a meme.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 02:58 PM (qCMvj)

611 Trump is becoming a one trick pony. Triumph the insult dog. It's fun for a while, but it gets old at some point

Posted by: The Jackhole at August 25, 2015 02:57 PM (xsQZk)

I suspect he will come out with some position papers on Iran, Foreign Policy, and the such soon. I would not be so quick to dismiss him as a trick pony, no matter what other arguments, many legit, that you have with him. Money can guy shit like that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:59 PM (gf8BH)

612 >>Long knives.

Well, sure. Once the sun goes down.

Posted by: Garrett at August 25, 2015 02:59 PM (ZqSB6)

613 Buzzion is dead?

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our Republic and unwarranted fratricide at August 25, 2015 02:57 PM (/Ho8c)

He was in the car with Abe Vigoda.

Hah! I bet you never expected that.

Have you considered a new apartment?

Posted by: jeff Goldbloom at August 25, 2015 02:59 PM (TOk1P)

614 For a frontrunning presidential candidate to keep punching down at reporters lowers him.

I'm not sure that's true. Newt was never more popular than when he yelled at reporters. People hate the media. They like to see people yell at them.

When he talked about the moon colony it all went to hell.

Which is a shame. We need a moon colony.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 25, 2015 02:59 PM (ph/F7)

615 >>>You have a positive view of Ms. Kelly. Have you considered the possibility that Trumps polling shows the people he is trying to court, don't?

"the people he is trying to court," as I said in my post, includes the 40% or more of Republicans who currently say they wouldn't vote for him under any circumstances.

Do only you matter, or do they matter as well? This is not a trick question, though it is illuminating.

Some people just seem to ahve a "fuck anyone who doesn't agree with me fully" attitude. That's fine as a personal matter (I kinda have that), but not as a political one, because I assure you, come the time of voting, it definitely matters if the only 80% of the reliable Republican coalition is voting for you.

You want that at 92, 94%. Or better.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:59 PM (dciA+)

616 I'll gladly vote Trump if he's the nominee and I could care less about Fox News or Megyn Kelly, but it's incredibly childish and immature that he gets into these dumb feuds and won't let go.

What voter is he really trying to win over that still thinks he needs to turn up the heat on Megyn Kelly?

At some point you have to recognize what a thin-skinned bitch he can be.

Posted by: Coolio at August 25, 2015 03:00 PM (IXSrO)

617 I.see Trump much as I see Newt and Churchill. They have a million ideas, some brilliant and some idiotic. And the ratio of brilliant to idiotic is about one to one.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 25, 2015 03:00 PM (7+Vuv)

618
Yeah, and?

Posted by: Soothie at August 25, 2015 03:00 PM (yhX3X)

619

O'Reilly shows his disdain for Trump every time he interviews him too. Always mocking him. O'Reilly the "thinks" he knows it all filibustering _______. fill in the blank

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 03:00 PM (qCMvj)

620 Well, everyone knows I am good for traffic.

And I give FREE helicopter rides.

Vote for me and I'll include a free brown shirt with "Kick them out" on it

Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 25, 2015 03:00 PM (0FSuD)

621 Ace,

I disagree.

I think this is Trump's version of battle space preparation.

He, as I'm sure all the other candidates would, would like the type of questions Megyn Kelly asked Jeb!.

ie. Tell us Jeb! why you're so wonderful and what is your awesome plan for (fill in the blank)?

Trump would at this point, I'm sure, like to talk about his policies or campaign themes-

but if he's constantly under attack ala Megan at every debate then why not -

disregard the questions because the questioner has shown bad faith or a personal animus or whatever-

then note that and talk about whatever he wants to talk about.

Not sure, but I think that's what I'd do if I was sure that I wouldn't receive a fair hearing-

I'd disparage the questioner, besmirch their reputation ahead of time then ignore their questions on that basis and launch into whatever I wanted.

To me anyway- this doesn't look like a tantrum but rather battle space prep against hostile media personalities.

By the way, while I don't care if Trump is the nominee or not, I'd much rather see Cruz in the lead, with Carly as VP.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 25, 2015 03:00 PM (0cMkb)

622 Trump's plan is so obvious.

Make the news every day about him.

Completely starve his opponents of any media coverage, except as reactions to him, which still makes the news about him.

It's working.

Posted by: blueboy at August 25, 2015 03:00 PM (/NoPG)

623 Yes, Buzzion died suddenly in the last thread. It's true. Buzzion is dead.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 25, 2015 03:01 PM (2x3L+)

624 But now I want Trump because he's a convincing champion on fighting the Illegal Immigration crisis.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 02:58 PM (l2dSQ)

As someone who has not attacked anyone's candidate very directly, can I just say that the chances of trump ACTUALLY following through on any of his campaign promises is about the same as the chances that Obama was going to shut down Gitmo on day 1 in office?

Not that the other candidates are different (hint: they all lie), but let's not be silly here.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 03:01 PM (AkOaV)

625 I suspect he will come out with some position papers on Iran, Foreign Policy, and the such soon. I would not be so quick to dismiss him as a trick pony, no matter what other arguments, many legit, that you have with him. Money can guy shit like that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 02:59 PM (gf8BH)

--The fact that he consulted with Sessions on immigration shows he is serious, at least on that issue. I'm curious to see whose counsel he seeks on the other issues.

Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon! at August 25, 2015 03:01 PM (vsbNu)

626 Jeb is like a moderately smarter Forrest Gump.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 25, 2015 03:01 PM (oFCZn)

627 Maybe Trump wants anyone who interviews him to realize that they could find themselves the object of unwanted Twitter (and other) media attention.

---

Why, why do people keep saying this?

1) Aside from credible threats of violence and dick pics, there is literally no such thing as "unwanted media attention" for journalists, especially with Twitter. This is because...

2) This attention has not hurt Megyn Kelly's career and would be an absolute boon to a left-leaning journalist.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at August 25, 2015 03:01 PM (GvNnD)

628 Yeah, what he said and me saying "You have to treat women like shit".

Well, why is it that the guys who treat women like shit are drowning in poontang, and the nice guys go home with a large bar tab and Rosey Palm? Broad strokes, to be sure, but the attraction to bad boys is a real thing.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 03:01 PM (dXn35)

629 VDH made an obvious but interesting statement on the Ricochet podcast.

Trump has flip-flopped on core positions (even on immigration) and any one of them would have caused his supporters to instantly reject any other candidate.

Trump's supporters are just teenaged girls, giddy over the bad boy who makes daddy angry.

And they'll stay with him, even after he slaps them around.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 25, 2015 03:01 PM (Xd2w5)

630 Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:42 PM (dciA+)

Others already have: picking up Blue-collar Democrat voters, and creating new voters. Zombie even believes that Trump could flip NY (I don't buy that myself, but hey, stranger things have happened).

But that's not even my point. My point is that we're still... what? Six months from the first primary? We're 15 months out from the General Election. This is the part of the campaign where candidates secure their base. After that is done then they start trying to rebuild bridges and mend fences.

I believe that's what Trump is doing (or trying to do, at least): securing his base. Proving to those on the edges of his base that they should become the core of his base, and try to influence those around them to join. Whether or not it will work? I don't know. *So far* it has seemed to work.

Of course, I also take a little issue with your opinion that Trump needs the Establishment and should act like it (that last part is inferred, not explicit). You and I both know that "acting like" you need the Establishment is going to involve kissing up to them. That would absolutely destroy his support.

There is a great divide between the Establishment and the Base. For the last 8 years (or more) Conservative Republicans have been told, when a DOPe politician gets the nomination, to shut up and get in line. When that DOPe politician loses anyway, we're blamed for "sitting out."

Now, someone who gives a hearty "F*CK YOU!!!" to the Establishment is looking like he might actually win the nomination. A great deal of the Base is looking forward to either of two options- the DOPe proving that they meant it with "get in line" and voting for someone they hate but who has the right letter after his name, or the DOPe deciding they'd rather lose with someone they can control than win with someone they can't, and burning the whole thing down.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 25, 2015 03:01 PM (kff5f)

631 >>"I haven't seen Ace this passionate in a while"

It's the Testasterone treatments.

Posted by: Garrett at August 25, 2015 03:02 PM (ZqSB6)

632 614 For a frontrunning presidential candidate to keep punching down at reporters lowers him.

The key Here is "reporters" not "Reporter."....

He's pretty much singling out one particular Reporter... He just needs to fucking move on!

Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 03:02 PM (hUdMz)

633 525
So...

Anyone have a good Baja recipe for carne asada marinade?

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at August 25, 2015 02:47 PM (z5Hds)

I like a little tequila, lime, salt, pepper, onion, maybe a little garlic, and cilantro. I don't know if that's baja, but it always turns out yummy.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 03:02 PM (Vf5rR)

634
Jello wrestling match - Kate Upton or Megyn Kelly?

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:45 PM (6xtq3)

________________

Yes.....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 25, 2015 03:02 PM (HSmrB)

635 >>>
Got it, you don't like Trump. And you're getting angrier by the day as he bulldozes over everyone. You don't know it, but you're desperate to vote for Jeb! You're getting scared more every day and politicos use fear to get what they want. We have plenty of time, relax, and let Trump do his thing.

Everything you've written could be said about Jeb's campaign strategy too: stay in the race until people that hate you are forced to hold their nose and vote for you. I won't vote for JEB! Not ever.

...

as I said, a lot of trump's fervent supporters are very low thinkers who have only the two or three "arguments" (actually, just sustained personal invective) they've seen other people make, and just parrot them in every situation.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 03:02 PM (dciA+)

636 Megan Kelly's debate performance was a shockingly unprofessional hatchet job.

Then when she comes back from vacation, she spends the first several minutes of her show attacking Trump and goading her two guests into doing the same.

Ace, why didn't you mention that key context that explains why Trump retaliated? You make it sound as if his words had no provocation.

Tell the truth, Ace!

Posted by: Village Idiot at August 25, 2015 03:02 PM (bf86X)

637
It's true that in general I miss the whole "punching up punching down" thing.
And when it's brought to my attention I only see the advantage to punching up.
I don't generally see the disadvantage to punching down.
But maybe some good examples would be persuasive.

And like I said, I'm not entirely convinced the chastening of would be interviewers would work - nor that it's Trump's reasoning here.
Like you say, in punching up the interviewer's star rises.

Still... it could be really REALLY uncomfortable to become the object of ridicule in social media.
It might have a chastening effect on at least some would be interviewers.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 03:02 PM (l2dSQ)

638
Some people just seem to ahve a "fuck anyone who doesn't agree with me fully" attitude. That's fine as a personal matter (I kinda have that), but not as a political one, because I assure you, come the time of voting, it definitely matters if the only 80% of the reliable Republican coalition is voting for you.

You want that at 92, 94%. Or better.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:59 PM (dciA+)

Ace much of what you are saying is true, but I think you are putting the cart ahead of the horse. There has not even been ONE primary of caucus yet. Let's see how this plays out before we panic. There is a long long way to go. Maybe it's my age, but there really is not tall that much new under the sun.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 03:02 PM (gf8BH)

639 623 Yes, Buzzion died suddenly in the last thread. It's true. Buzzion is dead.

Posted by: L, Elle at August 25, 2015 03:01 PM (2x3L+)

He will be missed.

The FBI is expressing interest in his hard drive as we speak.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 25, 2015 03:02 PM (oFCZn)

640 Or Trump understands he could never win the general, even against Bernie Sanders, and even if it came down to him and Kucininich on an abolish agriculture, money, and give all our nuclear weapons to ISIS platform, some independent would be picked by all the good and great on Wall Street, in the media, and every other national institution and we would have some sort of version of Tom Friedman's dream leader as our next president.

So he is just jerking off and Megyn Kelly is his new svelter Rosie O'Donnell

Posted by: RoyL at August 25, 2015 03:02 PM (eN1xg)

641 573 As someone who was a strong Palinista from '08-13, I'm sitting here wondering, "Dear God, is this what I sounded like"?

As a recovered Palinista, I'm sitting here thinking, would TRUMP let lightweight, glorified entertainment reporters like Katie Couric and Charlie F'ing Gibson own him like they did Palin?

You betcha he wouldn't.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 25, 2015 03:02 PM (7ObY1)

642
HOOT!

HOOT!

Posted by: an ape at August 25, 2015 03:02 PM (vsbNu)

643 This circular firing squad is gonna run out of bullets soon

Boolits are like Doritos. We'll make more.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2015 03:03 PM (k+zgr)

644 642
HOOT!

HOOT!
Posted by: an ape at August 25, 2015 03:02 PM (vsbNu)

Look, figs!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 25, 2015 03:03 PM (ph/F7)

645 I think that Trump is an idea. A strange idea, but an idea that many are embracing, from a distance, if that were possible.

I was at the Trump Live Show last Friday. I guess that I'm not really that familiar with his persona because I was pretty much all wtf? about five minutes into his .. address(?) . And the people around me were snickering. But, they were there, and cheered when The Donald would come up for air. There's indeed Trumpian Anger loosed on the world.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 25, 2015 03:03 PM (evdj2)

646 "622
Trump's plan is so obvious.

Make the news every day about him."

I don't think it is so much "planning" as instinct. But otherwise, you are absolutely right.

Posted by: gh at August 25, 2015 03:03 PM (YlqSL)

647 Perhaps we won't really know anything until some votes are cast.

Posted by: Werner Heisenberg at August 25, 2015 03:03 PM (cgxNI)

648 605 zombie, I'd bet Trump has 99+% name recognition in NJ as well, given his presence in Atlantic City and the NY 'burbs.
Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon! at August 25, 2015 02:58 PM (vsbNu)

...And in CT, where he owns some real estate as well, and where the important part of the state is in the NY media market.

And, well, really everywhere.

Don't think those states will go red though if trump were to be nominated.

Really, I can't imagine any sequence of events that would turn NJ/NY/CT red, but hey -- crazier things have happened.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 03:04 PM (AkOaV)

649 Yay, the update on my book description finally posted. I messed it up the first couple of times. . . .

Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon! at August 25, 2015 03:04 PM (vsbNu)

650 644 642
HOOT!

HOOT!
Posted by: an ape at August 25, 2015 03:02 PM (vsbNu)

Look, figs!
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 25, 2015 03:03 PM (ph/F7)

*sniff sniff*

Ugh, musty pelts.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 03:04 PM (dXn35)

651 "He's getting personally attacked for asking a question about a questionable guy."

It's not a question. Here's his headline:

"Trump's Officially a Temper-Tantrum Throwing Idiot Who Just Can't Put on His Big Boy Pants"

Then he goes on to give his personal opinion as an argument. Fine but it's his opinion and the headline is descriptive of his biased opinion. Again fine but it is a biased dig.

However, many see a game being played here by Kelly. Apparently she had came back on after a week off and went straight back to the fight with Trump by using surrogate GOPe guests.

People can have a different opinion of Trump's response. We see him as defending himself against her continued attacks against him.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 25, 2015 03:04 PM (OIgIO)

652 Buzzion is dead?

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our Republic and unwarranted fratricide at August 25, 2015 02:57 PM (/Ho8c)

He stopped applauding too early.

Posted by: Josef "Big Hands" Stalin at August 25, 2015 03:04 PM (hLRSq)

653 You know my good friend Ross Perot said to do anything, anything to fvck those Booshes. He's lending me his charts for the next debate.

He's going to finance my redo of the White House with time shares on the top floor.

I am going to make this country GREAT again, course you all do know you will have to start mowing your own lawn and washing you own plates at a restaurant, right?

Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 25, 2015 03:04 PM (0FSuD)

654 I was pretty much all wtf?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 25, 2015 03:03 PM (evdj2)

Saying things like "I will make our military so powerful we won't even have to use it." Was definitely a WTF moment for me... and instant channel changer.

Posted by: Nasty Nate at August 25, 2015 03:05 PM (UZQM8)

655 That's fine as a personal matter (I kinda have that), but not as a political one, because I assure you, come the time of voting, it definitely matters if the only 80% of the reliable Republican coalition is voting for you.

You want that at 92, 94%. Or better.

Then the gope shouldn't have shit all over the base in December of 2014 before they were even seated.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2015 03:05 PM (k+zgr)

656 i doubt it. You miss the whole punching up punching down thing.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:57 PM (dciA+)

That's just a made up piece of crap logic that has never proven to be true. It sounds good. But essentially it means you turn yourself into a punching bag for those beneath you.

But even if it was true, at this point it is a proven fact that debate moderators view themselves as your equal and will not hesitate to any means necessary to scuttle you (i.e. George Stephanopolous, Candy Crawley and others).

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 25, 2015 03:05 PM (LXJ1e)

657 as I said, a lot of trump's fervent supporters are very low thinkers who have only the two or three "arguments" (actually, just sustained personal invective) they've seen other people make, and just parrot them in every situation.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 03:02 PM (dciA+)

Many of them don't even have that.

What they've got is a meth habit, an all caps key, and a lithium deficiency.

See: Breitbart

I say many but it's actually far from everyone. Lots of sane, educated people support Trump for various reasons.

Conor Friedersdorf had an article in the Atlantic last week full of responses from various people when he solicited reasons why people were supporting Trump. It was an interesting read.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 25, 2015 03:05 PM (oFCZn)

658 Somebody pointed out up thread that the CNN "debate" is soon to arrive and I suppose all this controversy might be a sort of battlefield preparation.

And others have repeatedly pointed out that 1) Trump is pissing off all the right people, and 2) he has stuck it to the Jebster in a major way.

I agree with all that. Trump exposed Scott Walker as a fearful and surprisingly mealy mouthed guy on immigration, a sad but necessary lesson to me not to trust a politician, and I agree that anyone driving Jeb from the race is doing a major favor for the Republican brand. A brand I hope to see revived after the last eight years of McConnell/Boehner bullshit.

So Trump is doing some very good things for this race.

Posted by: MTF at August 25, 2015 03:05 PM (LISuA)

659 Question for the group - would jello be the correct wrestling medium, or would another substance be preferable? Mud? Oil?

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 03:06 PM (6xtq3)

660 And this is why you'll never understand what's going on here. You don't get Trump. You'll continue to be mystified why he keeps going up in the polls.
Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at August 25, 2015 02:47 PM (OIgIO)

Iget Trump, man.You better believe I get Trump. You don't talk to the Donald, man. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "Do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm... no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man! I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas...

Posted by: Fellow Trump Supporter at August 25, 2015 03:06 PM (Bvf82)

661 Trump's plan is so obvious. Make the news every day about him. Completely starve his opponents of any media coverage, except as reactions to him, which still makes the news about him. It's working.
Posted by: blueboy at August 25, 2015 03:00 PM (/NoPG)

-----------------------------------

This is true. He's the frontrunner in, if anything, what people are talking about. Lowers his campaign expenses quite a bit.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2015 03:06 PM (P25Hh)

662 he's a business man....a very busy alpha male business man.....he works fast he works by processing information that his loyal team of brilliant people present to him.....he makes decisions all day long.....it's what he does.......he doesn't suffer fools he doesn't have time for it....he calls it like he sees it......deal with it.....i'm a cruz girl....i like carson and carly too.....but if trump is the nominee....i'll vote for him....

trump likes cruz and carson.....and they appear to like him.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 25, 2015 03:06 PM (0O7c5)

663 Look, figs!
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 25, 2015 03:03 PM (ph/F7)

CRUNCH!

Posted by: another ape at August 25, 2015 03:06 PM (vsbNu)

664 "I'm curious to see whose counsel he seeks on the other issues.

Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon! at August 25, 2015 03:01 PM (vsbNu)"
He brought up Volcker a few weeks ago when asked about the budget. Specifically, he said he would look for someone like Volker and give them free reign.

Posted by: gh at August 25, 2015 03:06 PM (YlqSL)

665 As a recovered Palinista, I'm sitting here thinking, would TRUMP let lightweight, glorified entertainment reporters like Katie Couric and Charlie F'ing Gibson own him like they did Palin?

That's why I'm all aboard Team Carly. She's done things to the likes of Katie Couric and F. Chuck Todd that I'm not sure are legal under the Geneva Conventions, and I like it. A lot.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 25, 2015 03:06 PM (S+N7W)

666 "the people he is trying to court," as I said in my
post, includes the 40% or more of Republicans who currently say they
wouldn't vote for him under any circumstances.

Do only you matter, or do they matter as well? This is not a trick question, though it is illuminating.

Some people just seem to ahve a "fuck anyone who doesn't agree with
me fully" attitude. That's fine as a personal matter (I kinda have
that), but not as a political one, because I assure you, come the time
of voting, it definitely matters if the only 80% of the reliable
Republican coalition is voting for you.

You want that at 92, 94%. Or better.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:59 PM (dciA+)

Who says he wants or needs that 40%? I think a lot of people misunderstand the Democrat voters, at their peril. They are not as monolithic as they are portrayed. A huge swath of them HATE Obama, and the direction he has taken. They likely hate Hillery too.

So... as has been pointed out, Trump is not REALLY a Republican. If he has a plan to court the 60% of the R's who will vote for him, and some percentage of the Dems who won't vote for Hillery or Moochelle, or God only knows what other abomination they put up, then we've got our new coalition!

One, just so you know, I want no part of, personally. I can only speak for me here, but if Trump is on a ballot next November, I'm about 99% certain I won't be voting for him.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2015 03:06 PM (TOk1P)

667 Candy Crowley
Did you eat a whole horse?
Candy Crowley
Leftist bias of course

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 03:06 PM (dXn35)

668 Heh.

At this point, I figure the country is doomed, anyway.

If someone like Trump has a realistic shot at the nomination, the shallow, un-serious, childish nature of the country as a whole has infected the conservative movement to such a degree that the nation will continue sliding into the abyss no matter how this turns out.

I have a teensy-tiny bit of hope we might nominate a serious candidate like Ted Cruz - but that hope is so small I pretty much ignore it...and it fizzles a little more every time a new poll comes out showing the clown-joke Trump leading the GOP field.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 25, 2015 03:06 PM (9YRwm)

669 2) This attention has not hurt Megyn Kelly's career and would be an absolute boon to a left-leaning journalist.
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at August 25, 2015 03:01 PM (GvNnD)

I think it puts a chink in her armor, or whatever.

There was a time I thought she was a great addition to Fox. THE show to watch. But as I watched her, I didn't like her 50% of the time. Now, after what she did. Could care less if I ever see her again. It sticks with me. I'm sure it sticks with others too.

Just like Candy Crowley is just a disgusting low life to me now. She'll never live down what she did for me.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 03:06 PM (qCMvj)

670 Helicopter rides for EVERYONE!

Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 25, 2015 02:50 PM (0FSuD)

You got my vote. Hoot!

Posted by: Hootin Apes What Hoot at August 25, 2015 03:06 PM (Vf5rR)

671 659 Question for the group - would jello be the correct wrestling medium, or would another substance be preferable? Mud? Oil?
Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 03:06 PM (6xtq3)

Depends on the jello flavor

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 03:07 PM (9221z)

672 This is true. He's the frontrunner in, if anything, what people are talking about. Lowers his campaign expenses quite a bit.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2015 03:06 PM (P25Hh)

yep....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 25, 2015 03:07 PM (0O7c5)

673 Is it a fair question for a reporter to asked Trump about his 'malicious' comment about Romney about deportation in comparison to what he's saying today?

Is it a fair question to ask him to explain why he thinks the economy does better under democrats than it does Republicans?

Is it a fair question on how he could consider himself more of a Democrat than Republican and still run as a Republican?

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 03:07 PM (zoyKY)

674 #665 That's why I'm all aboard Team Carly. She's done things to the likes of Katie Couric and F. Chuck Todd that I'm not sure are legal under the Geneva Conventions, and I like it. A lot.

Excellent point.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 25, 2015 03:07 PM (7ObY1)

675
Sadly we are all still gonna get Hillary! vs. Jeb!. I will believe that until I formally see the establishment of both parties choose someone else.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 25, 2015 03:07 PM (ODxAs)

676 659 Question for the group - would jello be the correct wrestling medium, or would another substance be preferable? Mud? Oil?
Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 03:06 PM (6xtq3)

Astroglide

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 03:07 PM (dXn35)

677

...need some caffeine

bbfnp

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 03:08 PM (qCMvj)

678 There is another reason to be "nice" or "civil" or at least "fair" to Trump. Because if you piss him off and make him feel like the process was not fair to him, he can and might run as an Independent and that is NOT good for anyone except the Dems.

So my advice just let the process play out. if Trump is as bad as some people think he is, he will fall of his own momentum.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 03:08 PM (gf8BH)

679 the DOPe proving that they meant it with "get in line" and voting for someone they hate but who has the right letter after his name, or the DOPe deciding they'd rather lose with someone they can control than win with someone they can't, and burning the whole thing down.

Dear Lord, we're the Sad Puppies of politics and Donald Trump is the slate...lol.

The GoPe is the the HUGO committee.

Posted by: GMan at August 25, 2015 03:08 PM (sxq57)

680 674 #665 That's why I'm all aboard Team Carly. She's done things to the likes of Katie Couric and F. Chuck Todd that I'm not sure are legal under the Geneva Conventions, and I like it. A lot.

Excellent point.

Agreed...

Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 03:08 PM (hUdMz)

681 Megyn Kelly is not the be-all and end-all of conservatism, and Fox News is not the most important conservative institution. MK is a talking head, a TV pundit, not an unassailable icon of our principles. There's a lot of things to criticize about Trump, but his fearlessness in attacking establishment functionaries is perhaps the least of them.

Posted by: gp at August 25, 2015 03:08 PM (mk9aG)

682 Saying things like "I will make our military so powerful we won't even have to use it." Was definitely a WTF moment for me... and instant channel changer.

Posted by: Nasty Nate at August 25, 2015 03:05 PM (UZQM

well, that HAS been the stated position of the GOP since, well, at least the '80s.

Remember Reagans "peace through strength" thing that arguable won the cold war?

nah, forget it -- youre on a roll.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 03:08 PM (AkOaV)

683 Why should only Canada get to have a Rob Ford?
Actually, people have been making that comparison here too including a bleeding-heart leftie at the lib-left Toronto Red Star who made an impassioned plea that Trump not be elected.

BTW, Ford got the immigrant and even black immigrant vote here in Toronto when polite society ran an elite, gay former-cabinet-minister against him. (BTW, the gay had lost $2-billion Cdn in the provincial Liberal government trying to computerize the healthcare system and was a "former" coke-head -- not that lower-class crack, you understand, but the white stuff -- whose gay husband suicided a few weeks after he went missing for 48 hours in an area of the city known for its crack-houses. MSM did not cover after he was found although ended up sorry for his death.)

Posted by: andycanuck at August 25, 2015 03:08 PM (pgzyN)

684 I didt see her show

so she spent the first several minutes going after him and getting the guests to do so too?

i dunno. I just dont see this as a big thing. People hate the media. And how I wish Mitt went after Crowley, or Bush pushed back on the attacks of the media

Churchillian sparing would be better, but Trump is no churchill

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2015 03:08 PM (zOTsN)

685 Folks. Trump has performed a valuable service up to now by driving the GOPe nuts. Could not have happened to a better bunch. But Ace is right...this was not wise. His ego got the best of him..shut up and move on.

Posted by: Texas Mikey at August 25, 2015 03:08 PM (eGCBX)

686 Not married to the idea, but I was thinking lime.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 03:08 PM (6xtq3)

687 The GoPe is the the HUGO committee.
Posted by: GMan at August 25, 2015 03:08 PM (sxq57)

The GOPe is TOR.

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 03:08 PM (9221z)

688 so yes I'm mad.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:55 PM (dciA+)

I'm sorry, I'm sure all of us will feel the burn throughout this elections season.

i think i am going to invest in valium personally

Posted by: willow at August 25, 2015 03:08 PM (nqBYe)

689 630:

"
Now, someone who gives a hearty "F*CK YOU!!!" to the Establishment is looking like he might actually win the nomination. A great deal of the Base is looking forward to either of two options- the DOPe proving that they meant it with "get in line" and voting for someone they hate but who has the right letter after his name, or the DOPe deciding they'd rather lose with someone they can control than win with someone they can't, and burning the whole thing down."

It's a pretty safe bet the GOPe want to throw its money to Hillary if Jeb! doesn't get nominated, and even that fallback is disappearing. If someone who doesn't support open borders and/or is a conservative gets nominated, they'll have to consider how much socialism they can tolerate. It's another safe bet that's a lot.

Posted by: Embrace nihilism at August 25, 2015 03:08 PM (pq97T)

690 Here's a question I am trying to answer.

OK, Hitler used rail cars to move are those pesky jews, but I've got twice as many wet backs to move.

Do you think I can get them all on rail cars?

Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 25, 2015 03:09 PM (0FSuD)

691 Insomniac, #628:

"why is it that the guys who treat women like shit are drowning in poontang, and the nice guys go home with a large bar tab and Rosey Palm? Broad strokes, to be sure, but the attraction to bad boys is a real thing."

Adam Carolla addressed this on LoveLine, some 15+ years ago. Some kid was complaining that he's a nice guy, so he gets stuck in the friend zone, and girls all like jerks, and since he can't be one he's getting none. Carolla replied, roughly:

No. Women don't like jerks. They like confidence. Unfortunately, at your age, it's mostly the jerks who have confidence.

Posted by: JPS at August 25, 2015 03:09 PM (Efsx0)

692 For what it's worth:

One America News Network Poll
Trump 40.1%
Carson 13%
Bush 10%
Cruz 7%
Fiorina 5.2%

http://tinyurl.com/qxrm2t7

Posted by: Foul Harold at August 25, 2015 03:09 PM (FGvan)

693 Depends on the jello flavor

And the proportion of miniature marshmallows.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 03:09 PM (/kI1Q)

694 Saying things like "I will make our military so powerful we won't even have to use it."

I fail to see the problem with that statement.

It's just a restatement of Ronaldus Maximus's "Peace through Strength."

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 25, 2015 03:09 PM (7ObY1)

695 I say many but it's actually far from everyone. Lots of sane, educated people support Trump for various reasons.

The NYT had an article that admitted he is leading among the ......*ahem* ...."college educated."

I can just imagine teh sadz that gives some of the bizarrely insane (D)Marxists.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 03:10 PM (yMVjf)

696 Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 25, 2015 03:09 PM (0FSuD)

your an asshole and not even funny

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 03:10 PM (gf8BH)

697
139
135th!Posted by: Weasel143Damnit!Posted by: Weasel.............................I know exactly how you feel.

Posted by: Agent 86 at August 25, 2015 03:10 PM (wAQA5)

698 OK, off to pick up WeaselDog from the vet. Try not to kill each other.

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 03:10 PM (6xtq3)

699 @690

Dude.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 25, 2015 03:10 PM (LA7Cm)

700 Trump has probably fucked up possibly picking Fiorina as his VP which could be a good pick

Posted by: The Jackhole at August 25, 2015 03:10 PM (xsQZk)

701 He stopped applauding too early.
Threadwinnah!!!

Posted by: andycanuck at August 25, 2015 03:10 PM (pgzyN)

702
@ comment # 624:

Fair point about not relying on lying liar politicians to follow through when they assume office.

But as I've said before, politicians have a strong tendency to significantly on the MAIN PROMISE SET OUT IN WRITING - and reiterated many times in public speech.

Why would Trump want to be a one-term hated loser in 2020?
He knows that if he jettisoned his position against Illegal Immigration that's what would happen to him in his bid for re-election.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 03:11 PM (l2dSQ)

703 There was a time I thought she was a great addition to Fox. THE show to watch. But as I watched her, I didn't like her 50% of the time. Now, after what she did. Could care less if I ever see her again. It sticks with me. I'm sure it sticks with others too.

---

Thing is, your opinion of Kelly changed when she asked the question. FWIW, mine did, too. Trump's harping butt hurt on Twitter and elsewhere didn't do the damage.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at August 25, 2015 03:11 PM (ikOLM)

704
see what i mean? It's the only mode of discussion some of these hooting apes can have.

Is this place turning in the national review or what?
I mean weidentify asmoron's right? Simmer down now.On occasionyoumay find yourselfdebating with Bluto from Animal house, and when that happens it ends in a food fight.
Still funny.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 03:11 PM (5vV+V)

705 We currently have a petty,malignant narcissist who thinks negotiating is calling the other party names, currently in office. So, along comes Trump, another egotistical thin skinned asshole with great applause lines and no idea how to get to where he thinks we should be going. Like Obama,all he cares about is winning with no idea of what he is going to do when he gets there. Like Obama, he knows how to do everything better than everyone else, so needs no advice. He sent out a nasty tweet today about Lindsey Graham about how low his poll numbers are and how he is beating him in his home state. What the hell is that about? It is petty beyond belief.

Posted by: sharon at August 25, 2015 03:11 PM (p7gB8)

706 699 @690

Dude.

Yep. For a bunch of sissies whining that Trump has no class, the Trump Derangement Sufferers have, well, no class.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 25, 2015 03:11 PM (7ObY1)

707 Fiorina is not to be trusted. HP.

Posted by: gh at August 25, 2015 03:11 PM (YlqSL)

708 i see everyone is really passionate about their ideas.

so i'm not going to muck up the comments with my less thought out patter anymore today.

love ya all, keep chins up.

Posted by: willow at August 25, 2015 03:12 PM (nqBYe)

709 For a frontrunning presidential candidate to keep punching down at reporters lowers him.

But for the reporter, it's all elevation.

so why would they shy away? They get elevated by being in a dispute with Trump.

far from scaring reporters off, it incentivizes reporters to go after him, with the one caveat that they can't look *too* eager to go after him.

Posted by: ace

Ace, are you mad at Trump for espousing policies you disagree with -- or are you mad a Trump for being terrible at campaign strategy?

If you're not a hardcore Trump supporter, then why should you be upset that he's flaming out?

When Hillary self-destructs (as she does constantly), I don't say, "Goddamn that Hillary -- I hate her because she's so bad at campaigning!" No, instead I say, "Yay! Hillary is shooting herself in the foot again!"

Similarly, why isn't the topic of this post, "Good News, Everyone -- Trump's Stupid Shenanigans Ensure He Will Lose the Nomination!"

Is your anger derived from your fear that Trump will win the GOP nomination and then self-destruct and lose catastrophically to some Dem socialist, plunging the nation further into unfixable totalitarianism?

Or is your beef just with Trump supporters, not the man himself?

Posted by: zombie at August 25, 2015 03:12 PM (jBuUi)

710 Do you think I can get them all on rail cars?
Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 25, 2015 03:09 PM (0FSuD)

You're too late; this thread got Godwinned several hundred comments earlier.

Posted by: logprof, now on Kindle! at August 25, 2015 03:12 PM (vsbNu)

711 Ya know I missed the whole debate on Fox. It was not on live in Okinawa. Kinda glad I missed it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 03:12 PM (gf8BH)

712 Still unacknowledged is the fact that Trump has changed the battlespace.

Guess those 'wackobirds' don't look so wacko now?

If Trump gives every single one of the establishment idiots and sycophants heartburn -- good. And I am talking about both sides of the aisle.

Cruz is reasonable and 'presidential' compared to Hill, Sandy and the Bush. Thank you Trump for exposing the nonsense.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 25, 2015 03:12 PM (MIKMs)

713 Posted by: GMan at August 25, 2015 03:08 PM (sxq57)

Pretty well exactly.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 25, 2015 03:12 PM (kff5f)

714 Was drunk. I apologize. I'm just so angry.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 03:12 PM (E5UB0)

715 Question for the group - would jello be the correct wrestling medium, or would another substance be preferable? Mud? Oil?

Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 03:06 PM (6xtq3)

I'm old school. Gym floor, mats down... the kind that keep leaving gaps to the cold floor. Fat guy with a polyester shirt, and a whistle. Elbow pads, knee pads, those C-shaped headgear contraptions.

Without the buttsecks lovin' ex-House Speaker, of course.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2015 03:12 PM (TOk1P)

716 I am going to make this country GREAT again, course you all do know you will have to start mowing your own lawn and washing you own plates at a restaurant, right?
Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 25, 2015 03:04 PM (0FSuD

This leftist talking point has got to be one of the most racist things said openly in America today.

But, yeah, keep it up. Spanish speaking people love to hear what the gringo's really think about them and how they really view their contribution to society.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 03:12 PM (AkOaV)

717 It's just a restatement of Ronaldus Maximus's "Peace through Strength.">>>

Trump needs to get the "Peace through superior firepower" Tshirt.

Posted by: YOOOOGE Batman at August 25, 2015 03:12 PM (XtAzU)

718 694 Saying things like "I will make our military so powerful we won't even have to use it."

I fail to see the problem with that statement.

It's just a restatement of Ronaldus Maximus's "Peace through Strength."

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 25, 2015 03:09 PM (7ObY1)

Agreed ... and me, either. Some, however, consider stating it that way a bit too ........ mmmmmm ... bluntly, I guess.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 03:13 PM (yMVjf)

719 683 Why should only Canada get to have a Rob Ford?
=======================

There are plenty of cities where Rob Ford could get elected mayor right now. Washington DC is, for one example, very forgiving of drug issues.

Posted by: MTF at August 25, 2015 03:13 PM (LISuA)

720 You're too late; this thread got Godwinned several hundred comments earlier.
Posted by: logprof, now on Kindle! at August 25, 2015 03:12 PM (vsbNu)

Don't repost the troll and disgusting comments.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 03:13 PM (gf8BH)

721 your an asshole and not even funny

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 03:10 PM (gf8BH)

Sorry, didn't mean to go over the line, just trying to make the point Trump is an idiot.

Apologize.

Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 25, 2015 03:13 PM (0FSuD)

722 705 We currently have a petty,malignant narcissist who thinks negotiating is calling the other party names, currently in office. So, along comes Trump, another egotistical thin skinned asshole with great applause lines and no idea how to get to where he thinks we should be going. Like Obama,all he cares about is winning with no idea of what he is going to do when he gets there. Like Obama, he knows how to do everything better than everyone else, so needs no advice. He sent out a nasty tweet today about Lindsey Graham about how low his poll numbers are and how he is beating him in his home state. What the hell is that about? It is petty beyond belief

Oh, boy are you gonna get it...

For what it's worth, I agree with you..

Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 03:13 PM (hUdMz)

723 That's why I'm all aboard Team Carly. She's done things to the likes of Katie Couric and F. Chuck Todd that I'm not sure are legal under the Geneva Conventions, and I like it. A lot. Excellent point. Agreed...
Posted by: donna at August 25, 2015 03:08 PM (hUdMz)

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I would vote for Carly. I would also vote for Cruz. AND, I would vote for Trump.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2015 03:13 PM (P25Hh)

724 Jeepers, 720 posts! WTF?

Posted by: Jared Fogle at August 25, 2015 03:13 PM (oDCMR)

725 Some people just seem to ahve a "fuck anyone who doesn't agree with me fully" attitude. That's fine as a personal matter (I kinda have that), but not as a political one, because I assure you, come the time of voting, it definitely matters if the only 80% of the reliable Republican coalition is voting for you.

You want that at 92, 94%. Or better.

Posted by: ace

It is funny the hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle on this.

Trump can stay 100% true to his illegal immigration platform and still get middle of the road Republicans to vote for him. The Chamber of Commerce Republican is not nearly as wedded to the idea of worker visas as the Border Hawks are to securing the border.

If anything, Trump could draw heavily from Country Club Republicans with his pro-choice and pro gay marriage views.

If he looks like a petty man though that just wants to use this opportunity to nurse old grudges, he's going to hit a ceiling with voters.

Posted by: Coolio at August 25, 2015 03:14 PM (IXSrO)

726 >>> it's all just vengeance, vengeance, vengeance against your oppressors

#GOPlivesmatter

and anyway, what do we have left? I'm serious.

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at August 25, 2015 03:14 PM (3ZtZW)

727 Hmm. When did Fox News become so important to Republicans?

Maybe if your name rhymes with Deb Tush.

Posted by: RoyalOil at August 25, 2015 03:14 PM (ZvKdv)

728 Furthermore, pissing of Fox, pissing off his actual ally Roger Ailes,
might be the one thing this guy could do to actually blow himself up and
take him out of contention permanently.

Oh my, it must be time for another Trump is imploding post.

Everything you've said is wrong. Kelly is not Highly respected, Fox is not an ally of conservatives, and the point is not to win the establishment over.

1. Kelly is not a conservative. Like O'Reilley, she's just another bloviator who happens to some down on the commie side of things less often than others in her time slot.
2.Fox is half-assedly filling a niche that the rest of the media commies left open. The people filling it, with the exception of Hannity, who's kind of an idiot, are center-leftists at best wearing wenter-right masks. Thery're in it for the paycheck and nothing more.
3.We don't want the establishment. The whole point of Trump is to say to the establishment, the donor class crooks at the CoC, and the amoral unpatriotic comfortable class wherever they may be
"You are no longer welcome in this party. Get the fuck out."

Posted by: Methos at August 25, 2015 03:15 PM (ZbV+0)

729 Trump has this over-sized persona that he uses, but seems to expect serious people to recognize that role as separate. Last night on O'Reilly he said he'd give the premiere of China a Big Mac, not an expensive state dinner. O'Reilly acted flabbergasted, like "really Donald, you'd do that?" Donald just said "well I'd give him a double Bib Mac".

And that role playing thing worked for Obama, but Obama is not as capable and more evil (I think). But they all work at imagery that is less than honest.

Megyn had good reason to go after Trump's big persona problem, and Trump is largely known as a womanizer, (and Megyn got the on your knees thing correct in context, Trump responded to the woman's innocent usage). So post debate Trump did his thing and attacked Megyn, so maybe that was just to protect his ego. But to do it again now seems thin skinned, not strong. He has many he is friendly with at FOX, so I don't think he wants to really attack them as a whole.

Megyn did talk briefly about Trump's "deport them all" thing, but she left out that he said get the MS-13 types immediately, then finally said the rest would be done humanely. I think that was not quite fair and balanced. But Trump does seem to quick to just try to bash anyone that he claims went after him.

Giuliani seems to like him, and another solid finance guy was on the other day and seems to think Trump knows (for instance) we can't just unplug from China. So he seemed to recognize the bravado side, but didn't seem concerned about it. Perhaps it's just the art of the deal.

But I agree this new Megyn attack seemed emotional, and we still need Trump to plow the road, and maybe Cruz or Walker follow up. Or maybe he is planning some big make up show with Megyn and this is just building for ratings. idk

Posted by: Illiniwek at August 25, 2015 03:15 PM (6zZ5y)

730 What could he possibly be thinking?

Answer: He's not thinking, he's emoting, Megyn Kelly made him feel bad with her pointed questions and Insolent Journalism and now he's going to obsess about that hurt forever and ever, as he did with Rosie O'Donnell.

That isn't a negative.

Obama won by getting the vote of those who cared about "feelz" and about imagining that Obama cared about him.

Elections, especially for President, are not one on issues or positions, but over "feelz".

Posted by: The Unfeeling Hat at August 25, 2015 03:15 PM (0TXlm)

731 OK, Hitler used rail cars to move are those pesky jews, but I've got twice as many wet backs to move.

Do you think I can get them all on rail cars?
Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 25, 2015 03:09 PM (0FSuD)

Nice.

Compare people who support enforcing immigration law and deporting illegals who are illegally here to the Nazis and their death camps. That's how you make friends and influence people.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 03:15 PM (AkOaV)

732 That portion of me that still retains the slightest bit of hope thinks that Cruz is the one.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 25, 2015 03:16 PM (evdj2)

733 Two Plutocrat parties who agree on ignoring the voters wishes and we are still worried that letting a Bull Loose in their China Shop is a bad trade? Come on. Don't be stupid - be vengeful.

Posted by: Jared Fogle at August 25, 2015 03:16 PM (oDCMR)

734 635...ace, I love you but.....calling people who are enjoying Trump poking bears "low thinkers" is not cool. Since 2008, many here have bemoaned again and agai the administration and the Vichy republicans. Someone comes along and expresses what has been, granted, more eloquently expressed here, and we're suddenly "low thinkers"?

Bad form.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at August 25, 2015 03:16 PM (coyNv)

735 As ugly as this fight is, you'd think South Carolina had put up the CBF again.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our Republic and unwarranted fratricide at August 25, 2015 03:16 PM (/Ho8c)

736
Nood Toby...

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 25, 2015 03:16 PM (HSmrB)

737 Agreed ... and me, either. Some, however, consider stating it that way a bit too ........ mmmmmm ... bluntly, I guess.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 03:13 PM (yMVjf)

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At this point, I'm craving "blunt". I'm tired of the old say-anything-just-to-get-along schtick.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2015 03:16 PM (P25Hh)

738 And like I said, I'm not entirely convinced the chastening of would be interviewers would work - nor that it's Trump's reasoning here.
Like you say, in punching up the interviewer's star rises.

Still... it could be really REALLY uncomfortable to become the object of ridicule in social media.
It might have a chastening effect on at least some would be interviewers.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 03:02 PM (l2dSQ)

Here's the thing, does anyone "punch up" to Obama? Why shouldn't Trump demand and receive the same treatment from reporters that Obama gets?

Why is our expectation that reporters will "punch up" to the Republican candidate but be lap dogs to the Democrat candidate?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 25, 2015 03:16 PM (LXJ1e)

739 I'm trumpian mad. So the Trump Super Fans should praise my ability to "fight."

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:55 PM (dciA+)

Consolation threadwinner.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 03:16 PM (Vf5rR)

740 I thought Trump said a few things on Twitter. Did he say more? Because it's easy to forget that the vast majority of people out there don't follow Twitter, or know what's even going on with it. To the extent that a rival news organization reports it, it's going to be shaded as "see, even Trump knows that Fox News is stupid."

I keep hearing about how the latest Trump statement is going to spell his doom (are people still made about him "attacking" McCain?), but he keeps rising in the polls. It's clear the normal political rules don't apply to him.

Disclaimer: I don't like Megyn Kelly, especially after that debate performance. I think she's more interested in making all of this about Megyn Kelly and not about the Presidential race. YMMV of course, but that's my opinion and probably why I'm not all that upset over Trump showing disdain for Kelly.

Posted by: VA GOPe Sucks at August 25, 2015 03:17 PM (brtPU)

741 731 OK, Hitler used rail cars to move are those pesky jews, but I've got twice as many wet backs to move.

Do you think I can get them all on rail cars?
Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 25, 2015 03:09 PM (0FSuD)

Nice.

Compare people who support enforcing immigration law and deporting illegals who are illegally here to the Nazis and their death camps. That's how you make friends and influence people.
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Use Trebuchets and launch them over the border. Make a fucking statement!

Posted by: Jared Fogle at August 25, 2015 03:17 PM (oDCMR)

742 675
Sadly we are all still gonna get Hillary! vs. Jeb!. I will believe that until I formally see the establishment of both parties choose someone else.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 25, 2015 03:07 PM (ODxAs)

Nope.

Hillary will never make it.

Biden's going all in with a possibility of Liz Warren as his running mate.

And Yeb? He can't get his blood pressure above 15%.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 25, 2015 03:17 PM (oFCZn)

743 Trump can't allow Kelly to undermine him. Her and her masters will never support him. He is marginalizing Fox. He is planning on winning with the center which is about 40% of voters. Probably won't work but that can be said about any of the candidate strategies D or R. The political center is LIV writ large. If this strategy works it will be considered brilliant and Trump will be the oldest person elected president so far.

Posted by: somebody's out of touch at August 25, 2015 03:17 PM (I0sxh)

744 So the CNN debate will be on Sept. 16?

Damn, I was hoping it'd be before football season.

Posted by: logprof, now on Kindle! at August 25, 2015 03:17 PM (vsbNu)

745 Megyn Kelly is not hero-worshipping Trump and ergo will have questions about him.

Are you saying she's not allowed to have questions?

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 02:27 PM (dciA+)

She is allowed to ask questions but how about asking questions to draw out his positions on the issues rather than starting off with character assassination?

Posted by: Titanium at August 25, 2015 03:18 PM (oDFTq)

746 But tomorrow, ThunderB, ace shall be sober!

Posted by: zombie winston churchill at August 25, 2015 03:18 PM (pgzyN)

747
Pinging out to Burt @ comment #666:

I suspect that something like what you describe here is true.

I think that should Trump win the nomination: he will turn his attention to the general election that will be very different to the way he's trying to lock down the nomination.

I didn't think so before. (-In 200

But I have come to believe that Trump is a lot smarter than he seems at first glance. And a lot smarter than detractors (and hopefully opponents) give him credit for.
I don't think he throws tantrums. I think he's fairly disciplined.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 03:20 PM (l2dSQ)

748 2008 is what it should have read.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 03:20 PM (l2dSQ)

749 >>> Someone comes along and expresses what has been, granted, more eloquently expressed here, and we're suddenly "low thinkers"?

No, just typical. Sad, really.

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at August 25, 2015 03:21 PM (3ZtZW)

750 ... and furthermore, as has been painfully shown over three last 6 years, only the 20% or so of the thinking population (counting morons) can even keep the OutrageTM of the day straight (again, for right or wrong). For most, these things tend to blur together.

Trump doesn't like Megyn Kelly? Not news (ironically, probably not true either), and the specific insult lobbed (fair or not) doesn't register. Will people withhold a vote because they really like Fox news and Trump was a jerk to Megyn Kelly? Yeah, absolutely. Trumps calculation (and it's probably a good one) is that the free minutes he wins - and the tactical advantage it gives him over CNN - are more valuable in the numbers game.

Posted by: m0x at August 25, 2015 03:22 PM (07+D0)

751 Hubris. Plain and simple.

Posted by: Auntie Doodles at August 25, 2015 03:23 PM (teYv/)

752 Do you think I can get them all on rail cars?

Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 25, 2015 03:09 PM (0FSuD)

Meh. Grind them up, and put 'em in a pipeline.

Posted by: Warren Buffet at August 25, 2015 03:23 PM (aRgrb)

753 I would have handled the Megyn Kelly incident in a much more adult, mature manner.

Posted by: Mike Flynn at August 25, 2015 03:23 PM (07YWD)

754 Air Force One is the ultimate toy,

Yeah but W is the only one they barely let fly it. No way President DaveCamacho could pull off a loop.

Posted by: DaveA at August 25, 2015 03:24 PM (DL2i+)

755 Trumpians...

You need to worry about this because the president has nuclear weapons.

Yes, we're all angry about the GOPe.

But we also have to consider that the president has nuclear weapons.

Donald does very well when he's toned down, too.

So don't claim its some attack on Trump.

Posted by: Harun at August 25, 2015 03:24 PM (UBBWX)

756 Ace you should get rid of the Holocaust reference and all the reposts of it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 03:24 PM (gf8BH)

757 I really doubt Roger Ailes is angry at what Trump has done.It's ratings gold for his network.

Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2015 03:24 PM (sPO3u)

758 Trump is going to give the Mexican invaders Zyklon B showers. The white majority is now awake.

White Power!

Posted by: Fox is done! at August 25, 2015 03:24 PM (gxyha)

759
It's interesting. While I do appreciate Trump's pugnaciousness and have said so: I don't think I've suggested that's the main reason to support him.

At first, it was to tell the GOP: fuck you.

And now with Trump's unambiguous Policy Paper to fight Illegal Immigration (which no other candidate has provided), it's: Trump is COMMITTED to fighting Illegal Immigration.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 03:25 PM (l2dSQ)

760 I think that should Trump win the nomination: he will turn his attention to the general election that will be very different to the way he's trying to lock down the nomination.

Believe me, he will throw anything overboard if he thinks it will help him. That's my fear.

My guess is you'll see a a very socially liberal, big spending Democrat platform emerge if he's the nominee with the exception on illegal immigration. I would still vote for that over whatever the Democrats field, but it's definitely a one issue vote.

If he had a long history of being a conservative, I could overlook his style, but the guy was slamming Romney on illegal immigration in 2012 saying he was too rough on them.

Posted by: Coolio at August 25, 2015 03:25 PM (IXSrO)

761 Ace please delete those posts and the asshole at 758

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 03:25 PM (gf8BH)

762 756
The beaner holocaust is coming. There is nothing you Cosmopolitan cuckservatives or your Cultural Marxist allies can do about it.

White Power!

Posted by: Fox is done! at August 25, 2015 03:27 PM (gxyha)

763 Ace, have you given any thought that Trump's public and ongoing argument with Megyn is designed to appeal to black women? Who are black women more likely to support? Trump acts black and that annoys GOPe. He is garish, rich and a show off. He could easily sweep black women and goodly number of black men by simply pointing out that immigrants are taking your citizenship and country. The many permutations of of arguing for Immigration Sanity are a quiver of unnoticed opportunities. Blacks love voting for race, so give them an opportunity to do so. I doubt calling Trump a NAZI has much cache with Black America. They probably see it as a virtue.

Posted by: Jared Fogle at August 25, 2015 03:27 PM (oDCMR)

764 He just sounds like a bully to me. It is one thing to disagree or to call out someone for a setup question, but calling people names, ridiculing other candidates, dismissing other points of view without explaining why you are right and the other party is wrong is just juvenile. I would expect the POTUS to be respectful of others and solicit other points of view, to test his approaches to problems and actually have a plan to accomplish his goals. Apparently I am living in a dream world where a candidate actually has to make sense and not just sound bites.

Posted by: sharon at August 25, 2015 03:27 PM (p7gB8)

765 The nerve of this low thinker at the Time article link above:

The group said Trump has their best interests in mind, while other
Republicans are looking out for themselves. "We've got to show the
Republicans that we've had it with them, that we will not be there every
single time. They treat us like crap and they lie to us and promise us
things and then they expect us to vote again," said a Republican woman. "That's why we want Trump."

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 03:28 PM (Vf5rR)

766 Oddly enough, I hardly ever watch Megyn Kelly's program, but caught it last night since my DVR was empty of good material. She is starting to change since her program started last year.

There was an intro to an interview with Dr. Carson. Near the end of the intro, Megyn's delivery was strangely similar to Nancy Grace on CNN. I don't know how else to describe it. Her voice rose to an odd pitch, her words were over the top. She began to sound like the sensationalist 'journalists' I despise on other networks.

It was weird. Not sure what to think.

Honestly, Trump was right to be upset by Megyn's question during the debate. I felt like it was a strange question to lead with...it seemed as if it was Megyn's personal bone to pick with Trump. She'd decided he was a woman-hater, so she painted him that way from quotes about ONE woman most of us dislike. Rosie O'Donnell.

If Trump is such a misogynist, wouldn't we have reams of former female employees stepping up to the stage? Where are they? Not only would the RNC love to get their hands on this kind of info, the press would be printing it. But they aren't.

As much as I like Megyn Kelly and what she has done for conservative news watchers, I don't like what she is turning into...a conservative harpy. Something odd is going on...not sure what, but watch her show for yourself. Listen.

Posted by: KG at August 25, 2015 03:29 PM (EDOOV)

767 Megyn picked a fight with the wrong guy.

Trump is now using her as an example to others.

Let's see what happens.

Posted by: Positive Waves at August 25, 2015 03:30 PM (MQEz6)

768 Kelly got a little big for her britches and got slapped down for it by Trump, which is exactly how any media figure who thinks that they are the story should be treated.

Zero sympathy for her.

Now Trump, who may be a little too much butthurt by this, is supposedly at fault for saying not-nice things about Kelly.

No, that is not misogynistic, it's simply tit-for-tat, except Trump doesn't couch his insults in journalistic double-talk.

I think the lesson here is that Trump don't pussy-foot around anybody at all, and I kinda like that, thin skin and all.

Posted by: West at August 25, 2015 03:30 PM (1Rgee)

769
Hey some of you low thinkers out there, don't take it personally. I appreciate your passion.
Trump is side show Bob. He's a clown, but he's a diabolically brilliant clown. He might win. But it won't matter either way.
Typical of Side Show Bob to invest all his energy in something beside the point. But heMUST destroy Bart Simpson, I mean, Megan Kelly.
Get it. Its funny because its not quite true.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 03:30 PM (XkdIH)

770 calling people names, ridiculing other candidates, dismissing other points of view without explaining why you are right and the other party is wrong is just juvenile.
Posted by: sharon at August 25, 2015 03:27 PM (p7gB

Honestly, Trump reminds me of Obama in that respect.

Personality-wise, he isn't that different.
And that worries me.

It worries me even more that other people can't see it (or refuse to see it).

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 25, 2015 03:30 PM (9YRwm)

771
>>>>757 I really doubt Roger Ailes is angry at what Trump has done.It's ratings gold for his network.
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2015 03:24 PM (sPO3u)

But it's mostly people just rubbernecking at a "car crash".

If anything, it will chase away "serious" long term viewers.

Where do conservatives go for news now? The 30 second ad refresh at Drudge?

That's why we're here.

Posted by: GBruno at August 25, 2015 03:30 PM (u49WF)

772 Crunch the numbers for me and tell me how trump wins with 25% of normally-reliable Republicans sitting the election out.

That math haunts the other side of the = also. Hence the early rush to unperson him out.

Posted by: DaveA at August 25, 2015 03:32 PM (DL2i+)

773
It's a bit of stretch to say that Trump is "bullying" Megyn Kelly by saying he likes her show better when she's on vacation.

Also, others in here have claimed (is it true? - I don't know) that Megyn Kelly has continued to talk about Trump negatively on-air AFTER their debate dust up.

Again, I'm not saying Teh Don made a good choice when he suggested that Kelly take another eleven days of vacation ( oooooooo! ).
- But to accuse him of bullying is a bit of a stretch.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 03:33 PM (l2dSQ)

774 "I don't care know how this shakes out, I really don't. It would not bother me at all though, if in the end, Fox is dead, the Republican Party is dead, and whatever passes for whatever comes after them is alive and growing.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2015 02:57 PM"

Pretty much where I'm at, too.
My plan: chillax & keep my popcorn dry.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 25, 2015 03:33 PM (go6ud)

775 Posted by: Jared Fogle at August 25, 2015 03:27 PM (oDCMR)

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If you're trolling, A+.

If you're serious, you need help and/or a ticket back to stormfront

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at August 25, 2015 03:34 PM (ikOLM)

776 Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 03:35 PM (5vV+V)

777 773
It's a bit of stretch to say that Trump is "bullying" Megyn Kelly by saying he likes her show better when she's on vacation.

Also, others in here have claimed (is it true? - I don't know) that Megyn Kelly has continued to talk about Trump negatively on-air AFTER their debate dust up.

Again, I'm not saying Teh Don made a good choice when he suggested that Kelly take another eleven days of vacation ( oooooooo! ).
- But to accuse him of bullying is a bit of a stretch.
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#RichHotGirlsMatter!

Posted by: Jared Fogle at August 25, 2015 03:35 PM (oDCMR)

778 Has anyone pointed out that 2 of the 3 tweets are retweets and not comments made by Trump?

I'll reserve my outrage.

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at August 25, 2015 03:36 PM (Nj2wY)

779 Well said Ace.

Why does a guy worth $10 billion particulary give a damn what anyone says. Dismiss the snark and keep talking. You would think years in business, he would know how to conduct himself to achieve his aims.

Still hope he implodes a Cruz steps up, but thats a pipe dream.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at August 25, 2015 03:37 PM (u+9j9)

780 775 Posted by: Jared Fogle at August 25, 2015 03:27 PM (oDCMR)

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If you're trolling, A+.

If you're serious, you need help and/or a ticket back to stormfront
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Jenny, I have no idea what you are referencing.

Posted by: Jared Fogle at August 25, 2015 03:37 PM (oDCMR)

781
There are many obvious arguments against the unfounded and fringe notion that Trump's personality resembles Obama.

Here is but one of them.
They come from utterly different backgrounds.
- An argument to the contrary cannot be taken seriously. And won't be.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 03:37 PM (l2dSQ)

782 40% trump, 24% or less to Bush or Walker or sitting it out, 36% to Hillary or Biden or whoever.

Posted by: the numbers at August 25, 2015 03:37 PM (1uTkE)

783 Conservatives are desperate for a fighter who will save the country from its ruinous path. The only one who came out guns blazing was Trump. His temperament is not what we normally view as "presidential", but his poll numbers suggest it isn't negatively affecting him yet. People are happy to have someone fight on their behalf after suffering the lies of the Obama administration, the Democrats, and useless GOPe.

Now that Trump has everyone's attention, I'd like to see him be more clever and strategic in his attacks.

Posted by: MoKim at August 25, 2015 03:38 PM (yEe2x)

784 "I swear, some of you Trump supporters are the stupidest, most ignorant, least-capable-of-actual-understanding twats in the world."

This is funny. This is your bias. You afford Megyn Kelly all the respect in the world and so start with the premise that she's the BESTEST, UNBIASED newsperson EVAR. When we don't agree with your premise we are just stupid.

We've ALL talked about Trump's faults and weaknesses. We're not clueless about them. We are, however, pointing out to you that your premise about Megyn is just your opinion. Some of us don't have that high of an opinion of her. Some of us have noticed some her faults in the past and more recently at the debates. Some of us don't think she's all powerful or some special persona we need to repeatedly praise.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 25, 2015 03:39 PM (OIgIO)

785 STFU Fox is done!

Posted by: logprof, now on Amazon at August 25, 2015 03:40 PM (vsbNu)

786 Trump should listen to me.

I have better ideas.

Posted by: Positive Waves at August 25, 2015 03:40 PM (MQEz6)

787 "...a guy worth $10..." Oldest man to become President. You figure John Glenn traded integrity to become the oldest man in space. And John Glenn didn't even have a comb-over.

Posted by: the numbers at August 25, 2015 03:40 PM (I0sxh)

788
Ace: Okay that's enough out of you Blutarsky, put down the plate of Jello. Its over.
Moron: Over? Over? It isn't over until we decide it is. FOOD FIGHT!!!!

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 03:41 PM (5vV+V)

789 Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 03:37 PM (l2dSQ)

Stamping your feet, closing your eyes, putting your fingers in your ears, and chanting "I CAN'T HEAR YOUUUUUU" over and over again doesn't change reality.

Obama and Trump are both narcissistic bullies. and neither of them are anywhere near as smart as they think they are.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 25, 2015 03:42 PM (9YRwm)

790 I wasn't a big fan of Megyn's questions - way too "gotcha." But so what. Deal with them like a fighter; don't go all Johnny Fontane and start crying about how unfair it all is.

Retweeting a "bimbo" comment is childish. Coming from a supposedly serious candidate for President is crazy.

Look, I actually like Trump at some level as an entertainer. And he scores direct hits (Jeb Bush = low energy). But every time I think, "hey, I kinda like this guy;" I'm jolted back to reality that he has no business being anywhere near the presidency.

Hey Trump fans, can you guaranty me that if he doesn't get the nomination, he won't turn around and throw his support behind Hillary (or other D)?

Posted by: duke at August 25, 2015 03:43 PM (mDxGf)

791 As Megyn Kelly's ex husband about her faults. I'm sure he would tell you about them in confidence. When she poots it stinks just like everyone else including Trump.

Posted by: the numbers at August 25, 2015 03:43 PM (I0sxh)

792
Oh, we can totally disregard "Duh"-Raven's feeble mind-thoughts.

On August 17th he posted multiple comments claiming that only one person runs the entire government.
When it was pointed out to "Duh"-Raven that actually there are three branches of government and that in only one of those branches is one person exclusively in charge: he began sputtering that people didn't know what they were talking about.
It was hilarious.
He got so embarrassed that he pretended like he never said it.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 03:43 PM (l2dSQ)

793 "you hit me with a bullshit question like this bimbo did, and I'll mail your ass back to you in a Pringles can!"

Great line Mary Poppins...hope you won't mind too much...I'm gonna to steal it!

Posted by: Sixkiller at August 25, 2015 03:43 PM (hRytD)

794
But then when he was referred to his own comment #609 (wherein he first made the dumbass statement that only one person runs the government) - he became very very quiet.

Anyway, "Duh"-Raven's ignorance on parade is good for giggle here and there.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 03:44 PM (l2dSQ)

795 Trump can't deal with a woman who doesn't bat her eyes at him. His ego is too big.

Megan must like me and I won't stop picking on her until she does!

Go away Trump, this is the beginning of the end.

Posted by: Rachel at August 25, 2015 03:44 PM (GlSjd)

796 Look, I actually like Trump at some level as an entertainer. And he scores direct hits (Jeb Bush = low energy).
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Yep. That one will stick.

Posted by: Jared Fogle at August 25, 2015 03:44 PM (oDCMR)

797

Ironically, in the same comments-thread, "Duh"-Raven lamely tried to construct an argument that Donald Trump's DECADES of executive experience building BILLIONS of dollars of value through multiple corporate structures would be irrelevant to any of the work a President is supposed to do.

"Duh"-Raven even claimed that the ability to hire, fire and manage people made little difference in the office of President!

When it was pointed out that hiring, firing, and managing cabinet level positions like Secretary of State and Secretary of Defense was kind of important: again, he got very very quiet. (What else could he do?)

And one wonders if "Duh"-Raven has ever heard of Ronald Reagan firing THOUSANDS of air traffic controllers.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 03:45 PM (l2dSQ)

798
Diabolically brilliant, but incapable of escaping their own orbit, due to thegravity generated by their massively swollen heads.
So in that respect they are similar, Trump and Scoamf.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 03:46 PM (5vV+V)

799 I just wish all the candidates who truly do not have a snowball's chance in hell of becoming the nominee, let alone President, would just drop out and commit to someone sane. If you combine the the candidates pulling 7 or 8 percent of the vote, you get more votes than Trump is currently polling. Why Santorum,Graham,Pataki even bothered to announce is beyond me. Maybe this will shake out after the next debate but if it turns into the Trump show again, it is doubtful.

Posted by: sharon at August 25, 2015 03:46 PM (p7gB8)

800 Trump needs Kelly marginalized. That's politics. Nasty business but Megan took the field and can't complain when she gets her metaphorical ass kicked.

Posted by: the numbers at August 25, 2015 03:47 PM (1uTkE)

801 >>>But I agree this new Megyn attack seemed emotional,

this is my problem: It bothers me that he cannot seem to keep his shit together.

I do not want a very emotional president. Some emotion, sure.

But not a president who can't keep his shit under control.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 03:47 PM (dciA+)

802 Nope, "11th-dimensional chess" claimers: 99% of apparent mistakes are simply mistakes.

"99.99% of the time you would be right. But sometimes, Fate reaches out it's hand......"

Posted by: i Love megyn at August 25, 2015 03:47 PM (gL1BH)

803 >>>Trump needs Kelly marginalized. That's politics. Nasty business but Megan took the field and can't complain when she gets her metaphorical ass kicked.

more hero worshipping. Megyn Kelly has not been damaged by Trump calling her a "bimbo." She rises, he falls.

You just don't get it. If you think calling someone a "bimbo" is some great triumph, you're just not a very realistic analyst.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 03:48 PM (dciA+)

804 Anyone who wants to convince me that Trump is "lashing out" is going to have to convince me that he's had his business success IN SPITE of being unable to control his emotions and delay gratification.

The reality is, NO ONE can manage to get one of the deals he has, much less his string of deals, without that ability being ingrained and instinctive.

If you expect me to set aside that hard and fast fact and think that somehow trump is "different" than the thousands of other business elites on this front, you're going to have to work at it.

Posted by: Phelps at August 25, 2015 03:48 PM (EAxV6)

805
According to "Duh"-Raven's deep mind-thoughts: brilliant success stories like Ross Perot, Dr. Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina, and Trump are less qualified to assume the office of President than Barrack Obama was in 2008!

In "Duhhh"Raven's book, even Joe Biden is more qualified to be President than Trump.
And as you just heard "Duhhhh"Raven declare: Trump and Obama are very much alike. Yes, folks, "Duhhh"Raven has shown what a true genius he really is.
We should all pay lots of attention to his deep mind-thoughts on such matters.

Then again, maybe "Duhhh"Raven is completely without a clue.
He clearly doesn't understand that stopping the Illegal Immigration crisis is the make-or-break issue for conservatism that will be decided in 2016.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 03:49 PM (l2dSQ)

806 I disagree with the notion that Fox is GOPTV... In fact if Trump tells us anything - it's that if something is considered GOPe - it's getting tuned out. Candidates, TV hosts, whatever.

Kelly didn't help Fox's cause with her democrat style of questioning. That's on her, and it will only damage fox as they ramp up the Jeb Bush campaign.

Trump's problem is his attacks sound like a 13 year old wrote them.

Posted by: Reality Man at August 25, 2015 03:51 PM (BNEdd)

807
I do not want a very emotional president. Some emotion, sure.

But not a president who can't keep his shit under control.

Bitter reality - none of the guys running who can keep their shit under control are even close to electable. Its the suck. Trump the spectacle is at least something to watch.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 03:51 PM (5vV+V)

808 801 >>>But I agree this new Megyn attack seemed emotional,

this is my problem: It bothers me that he cannot seem to keep his shit together.

I do not want a very emotional president. Some emotion, sure.

But not a president who can't keep his shit under control.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 03:47 PM (dciA+)

How is he not in control of his shit?

Posted by: Positive Waves at August 25, 2015 03:51 PM (MQEz6)

809 800 Trump needs Kelly marginalized. That's politics. Nasty business but Megan took the field and can't complain when she gets her metaphorical ass kicked.
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This is when I turned off the 'debates'. It was a preplanned Candy Crowley moment brought to you by FOX. Given how meek Romney became when ambushed by Candy, I fully support candidates publically spanking uppity plants. All's fair when the press attempts to become the story. A teachable moment.

Posted by: Jared Fogle at August 25, 2015 03:52 PM (oDCMR)

810
Okay, in fairness to Raven: he is a Ted Cruz supporter.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 03:52 PM (l2dSQ)

811 >>>This is funny. This is your bias. You afford Megyn Kelly all the respect in the world and so start with the premise that she's the BESTEST, UNBIASED newsperson EVAR. When we don't agree with your premise we are just stupid.

We've ALL talked about Trump's faults and weaknesses. We're not clueless about them. We are, however, pointing out to you that your premise about Megyn is just your opinion. Some of us don't have that high of an opinion of her. Some of us have noticed some her faults in the past and more recently at the debates. Some of us don't think she's all powerful or some special persona we need to repeatedly praise.

...

you just can't seem to get off the Personalities here.

I've said this eight times, pretty clearly, but who knows, hope springs eternal that perhaps you will understand the simple English words I am saying to you:

THIS ISN'T ABOUT MEGYN KELLY.

THIS IS ABOUT TRUMP NOT BEING ABLE TO KEEP HIS SHIT TOGETHER AND ATTACKING A VERY POWERFUL GOP INSTITUTION WHOSE SUPPORT (OR AT LEAST INDIFFERENCE) IS VITAL FOR HIM.

THIS IS ABOUT ME BEGINNING TO WONDER ABOUT HIS MARBLES.

Trump is picking late night fights on twitter like the mentally-unbalanced people whose accounts I block.

I don't care about Megyn Kelly's reputation (she continues gaining in all this).

I care what it says about Trump's brittle, emotional psychology that will cut his own throat to bleed on someone who's hurt him.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 03:53 PM (dciA+)

812 It's still to early to tell what well happen. Right now, we're enjoying The Donald Show, but it's also like one of those reality shows where you're holding your breath wondering if the most interesting contestant is going to make it to end or go off the rails. Then thinking, oh, gosh, what if he DOES win, well be better at the job than any of the other more conventional guys? Let's just let it unfold. I love Meagyn, I agree with her a good percentage of the time, but I don't feel protective of her so if he alienates FOX, it's no skin off my nose. And while a lot of people prefer FOX over the other news it's because is just plain more interesting. Fox supporting immigration sure isn't changing anyone's minds, so maybe FOX needs Donald Mora than Donald needs Fox. I hope that's true because I don't want any media outlet choosing my candidates cough, cough, Carly F. So let's just keep watching it unfold. I already posted how Kudlow and three others from "conservative" sites had the long knives out on Saturday. No balance of opinions just negativity toward Trump AND his supporters! Name calling. Nativist. Sniff. Fringe. Sniff. Tea Party. Marginal.... I was really surprised at such vehemence. So I think the meeting the republican leadership had last week to shut him down is making itself known. Let's see how effective they are.
I do agree with ace, though. Donald ought to let it drop, it's just unbecoming. But it doesn't make ME personally like him less.

Posted by: Auntie Doodles at August 25, 2015 03:53 PM (teYv/)

813

So he's not COMPLETELY clueless.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 03:53 PM (l2dSQ)

814 Ace:

"more hero worshipping. Megyn Kelly has not been damaged by Trump calling her a "bimbo." She rises, he falls."

Where is there objective evidence, as in "any," Kelly has risen and Trump has fallen? I don't know whether carrying water for the GOPe impacted her ratings one way or another, but Trump has continued to rise post-debate.

Posted by: Debbie Washerlady-Shorts at August 25, 2015 03:53 PM (6gR7l)

815 now, now that i've enunciated in ALL CAPS with the plainest possible explanation of my position, again --

now tell me for the tenth time i"m just White Knighting Megyn Kelly and she needs to be brought to heel because she talked some smack about Mr. Trump and now Mr. Trump's gonna show her what's what and that's super-smart because Mr. Trump went to Wharton.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 03:54 PM (dciA+)

816 I do think Trump is shooting for the LIV, not the establishment republican. He is running as an independent in the republican primary. Basically trying to suck people in who wouldn't vote in primary normally. He's got to make a lot of noise to do that. Needs a lot of free publicity. Expect Trump the Spectacle to continue unabated. Whether that is by design or by nature or by happy accident some mixture of the two, I have no idea.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 03:54 PM (5vV+V)

817 just because YOU cannot see past the Television Personalities on your Who's Hot and Who's Not list does not mean the rest of us cannot.

Some of us are thinking beyond such childish questions as "Who do I like/Who do I not like."

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 03:56 PM (dciA+)

818 Ace, you don't stand a chance with Megyn. Be happy with your young hobos.

Posted by: Jared Fogle at August 25, 2015 03:56 PM (oDCMR)

819 No doubt Fox will shill for Jeb Bush in this primary - conservatives will notice - how does that line shine on ace's point that Fox is essentially GOPTV? I don't know - but I suggest by the end of this campaign for the republican nomination - far less conservatives will trust Fox News Trump or no Trump.

Posted by: Reality Man at August 25, 2015 03:57 PM (BNEdd)

820 Immigration is the number one issue, but there are lots more problems that need to be solved. Obamacare, the IRS, the EPA, Iran going nuclear, genocide in the middle east, ISIS exporting terrorism, and on and on. You can't just tell other countries to fuck off and die. What happens in Europe and China affects us every day. Does anyone really think that Trump has a strategy for turning things around or is this just feeding his monumental ego?

Posted by: sharon at August 25, 2015 03:58 PM (p7gB8)

821
@ comment # 815:

Hey now! Trump did go to Wharton! (The greatest business school in the world, by the way.) And he got great greats! He was a fabulous student there.

And I'll White Knight for Megyn Kelly - if she'll go out on a date with me.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 03:58 PM (l2dSQ)

822 So, lemme see.

Megyn Kelly asks him how he's going to respond when folks use his past statements to make him look like an unserious person with kind of a problem with women.

So he responds by throwing a tantrum, calling her names, and demanding an apology.

Yeah, that totally showed her.

Trump is a fundamentally unserious candidate and not a very nice person.

If you're supporting him because 'he tells it like it is!', and especially if you're so thick-headed as to imagine that Kelly should apologize for doing her job (and rather well, by the way), then I have to conclude that either you're the kind of dimwit that gives conservatism a bad name, or you're on Trump's payroll as astroturf and wasting our time.

Posted by: DriveBy at August 25, 2015 04:00 PM (C9Vc8)

823 I get a Kim Jong Il vibe out of Trump sometimes.

Posted by: kathysaysso at August 25, 2015 04:02 PM (fMQoG)

824 THIS IS ABOUT ME BEGINNING TO WONDER ABOUT HIS MARBLES.

Trump is picking late night fights on twitter like the mentally-unbalanced people whose accounts I block.
...

I care what it says about Trump's brittle, emotional psychology that will cut his own throat to bleed on someone who's hurt him.

Posted by: ace

Then (continuing the question I asked in #709) oughtn't you be GLAD that Trump is self-destructing? "Crazy guy reveals that he's crazy; start to hemorrhage support" is a headline that should gladden your heart.

Is your fear that he will win the presidency, despite his ill-considered campaigning? Are you don't wan a nutball in the White House?

Is your fear that he will win the GOP nomination and those lose the general, handing victory to the Dems?

Is your fear that he is poisoning the public's perception of all Republicans?

Are you just disappointed that someone you were warming up to has disappointed us afresh?

I'm still a little puzzled what's to be so upset here about.

Posted by: zombie at August 25, 2015 04:02 PM (jBuUi)

825 "I do not want a very emotional president. Some emotion, sure. But not a president who can't keep his shit under control."

Ace, it's only August in campaign season. The ENTIRE establishment, the ENTIRE Cheap Labor Express has come at him to kill him. Not wound him. To destroy him. He's fighting fire with fire and winning.

That's the spirit he's going to use to straighten this place out after seven years of Obama. I want him throwing a bitch fits over Lerner, Gruber, etc.

I do foresee him toning it down when he's actually president. He runs a multi-billion dollar business. He can turn it on and off as he pleases.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 25, 2015 04:02 PM (OIgIO)

826 #820 - eh I think Trump has experiences in dealing with people who oppose him, I'm sure he deals with it every day in the business world. I think the area our foreign policy has been most deficient is to deal with our foreign policy from a position of strength. Trump would bring that in spades. Far better to be feared than loved in that regard.

Posted by: Reality Man at August 25, 2015 04:02 PM (BNEdd)

827 I have to conclude that either you're the kind of dimwit that gives conservatism a bad name

This message brought to you repeatedly by the GOP.

Posted by: Roger1146 at August 25, 2015 04:02 PM (FxZkd)

828
Ace, thanks for the great thread.
It's been fun, informative, and above all else: FAIR.

Got a meeting to go to. Adios.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan (or _Dave_) at August 25, 2015 04:02 PM (l2dSQ)

829 820 Immigration is the number one issue, but there are lots more problems that need to be solved. Obamacare, the IRS, the EPA, Iran going nuclear, genocide in the middle east, ISIS exporting terrorism, and on and on. You can't just tell other countries to fuck off and die. What happens in Europe and China affects us every day. Does anyone really think that Trump has a strategy for turning things around or is this just feeding his monumental ego?
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All fair points. But to be honest I have no idea how any of the other candidates stand on any of these issues. Probably because nobody cares. If they did care they would be talking about them.

Trump's value is forcing the Plutocracy to address its 40 year run of ignoring the voters on immigration. My guess is Trump will follow the consensus view on foreign policy (whatever that is today given 8 years of Obama surrender) and a robust economic view on America's economy.

Most President's are lucky to enact one big change in 8 years. Trump's will be Immigration Sanity and he will be remembered kindly for it.

Posted by: Jared Fogle at August 25, 2015 04:03 PM (oDCMR)

830
Kelly wasnt doing her job. She made her self the story and I fking hate that shit. It has nothing to do with trump or asking "tough questions" it's just the same old msm bullshit and Im sick of it. So, fk her.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 25, 2015 04:04 PM (iQIUe)

831 I'm still a little puzzled what's to be so upset here about.

Posted by: zombie at August 25, 2015 04:02 PM (jBuUi)

After 800 comments, I am right there with you.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 04:04 PM (Vf5rR)

832 "As someone who has not attacked anyone's candidate very directly, can I just say that the chances of trump ACTUALLY following through on any of his campaign promises is about the same as the chances that Obama was going to shut down Gitmo on day 1 in office? "

I generally agree with you.

However, so long as his only policy position of the whole campaign is "Build a wall" a not a single thing else, I'm inclined to think he might actually build a wall.

If he starts developing other fake policy positions to hang his hat on then the wall becomes less likely.

But if he actually got elected on nothing substantial apart from "build a wall" he'd have a pretty good reason to try to really build it. And an undeniable mandate to build it.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at August 25, 2015 04:04 PM (TULs6)

833 Trump is losing his marbles?

How so?

Posted by: Positive Waves at August 25, 2015 04:06 PM (MQEz6)

834 I just don't see him sitting behind a desk every day and doing the nitty gritty that it is going to take to actually accomplish the changes we are all hoping for. This is what I never understood about Obama. He just never does anything. He doesn;t have briefings,doesn't hold cabinet meetings,doesn't make any decisions. A celebrity president. That is exactly what I see with Trump. Hopefully, he would make better cabinet choices than the idiots Obama picked, but would he really give up the good life to actually do the job?

Posted by: sharon at August 25, 2015 04:06 PM (p7gB8)

835 Yeah, but you have to admit it's pretty funny seeing Trump troll Lindsey Graham on twitter.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at August 25, 2015 04:07 PM (JxMoP)

836
At least people aren't saying Trump istoo old for the Job, he doesn'thave the energy, does he really want the job?
Its mostly, sheesh, he's a loose cannon. Not much debate about his lack of government experience etc. etc. the debate is on trump's style, not substance. Frankly, with the LIV, he wins that debate pretty easily as the most stylish candidate on either side.
I don't know if its intentional or a character flaw, but he does tend to lead the narrative around by the nose.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 04:07 PM (5vV+V)

837 I would consider a Republican LIV to be one who doesn't understand that if you're wrong on immigration, the rest of the policy stuff really doesn't matter too much in the long run.

The two most serious threats to the American ethos are illegal immigration and political correctness. Trump is the most unabashed of the candidates in opposing them. That's primarily why I support him, and a why a lot of other people do as well.

I really don't give a fat fuck about this Megyn Kelly stuff.

Posted by: Reggie 1971 at August 25, 2015 04:08 PM (Mg/2W)

838 Ace, there are a number of questionable assumptions underlying your opinion here.

1) Trump is attacking Kelly/Fox

No. He's defending himself against them. He's not making the mistake guys like McCain did with media - they're not going to stop attacking you if you play nice. They are his enemy, they tried to strangle his candidacy in the cradle. It's absolutely in his his interest to attack those who persist in attacking him and work at discrediting them.

2) If Trump "moved on" the major conservative institution in question would somehow make nice, pull its punches or at least forget about him.

See above. They're in the tank for Anyone But Trump first and the donor class second (aka Jeb or whoever picks up that banner if he implodes). Ala Trotsky, Fox is interested in war with Trump regardless of whether Trump is interested in war with Fox. He has no choice but to engage.

3) People will refuse to vote for someone who disrespects Kelly/Fox

They're called "people who'd never vote for Trump anyway." If they're so enamored of the Republican establishment that antagonizing Ailes or Kelly is a fatal faux pas, they're going to vote for Anyone But Trump anyway.

---

Triangulation, nuance and careful messaging have their place but they're a secondary priority. First you need a resonating message with emotive appeal which can draw enough potential voters to win - then you can worry about broadening that appeal - but WITHOUT eroding your base.

Look at BHO's 2008 primary and 2012 general campaigns - highly divisive, negative and polarizing. He wasn't worried about winning every vote, just enough of them.

Fighting - even fighting sacred cows like Kelly and Fox - is the gold standard of base legitimacy where they're disgusted with the serial sellouts and Failure Theater.

War with Kelly/Fox is not only inevitable for Trump, it's a net plus. Solidifies his "outsider" status and keeps his fighting cred in play.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at August 25, 2015 04:10 PM (p2C4q)

839 I just want the Trump supporters to agree that name calling and snark are fair game now and that they won't whine about it when they are on the receiving end.

Is that a deal ?

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 04:10 PM (zoyKY)

840 One thing Trump would not do is trade Iran nuclear weapons just to get the Ayatollah to play his hotel in Vegas.

So there may be something to this "Art of the Deal" foreign policy business.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at August 25, 2015 04:10 PM (TULs6)

841 I don't know if its intentional or a character flaw, but he does tend to lead the narrative around by the nose.
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Wow, you noticed he is actually leading. You would think this would be an admirable trait in a president.

Posted by: Jared Fogle at August 25, 2015 04:10 PM (oDCMR)

842 Posted by: Reggie 1971 at August 25, 2015 04:08 PM (Mg/2W)

How do you explain Trump's position in 2012?

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 04:11 PM (zoyKY)

843 839 I just want the Trump supporters to agree that name calling and snark are fair game now and that they won't whine about it when they are on the receiving end.

Is that a deal ?
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When was it ever outlawed? We are not wilting Megyn Kelly's here - we are morons with thick skins and large genitals.

Posted by: Jared Fogle at August 25, 2015 04:12 PM (oDCMR)

844 839
I just want the Trump supporters to agree that name calling and snark
are fair game now and that they won't whine about it when they are on
the receiving end.

Is that a deal ?

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 04:10 PM (zoyKY)

Deal, whiny cunt.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 04:13 PM (Vf5rR)

845 we are morons with thick skins and large genitals.

That's no clitoris!

Posted by: derit at August 25, 2015 04:15 PM (jT+gh)

846
yep I noticed. Leading is good if you leader is taking you to a good place, not good if he's leading like Barack Obama.
I think some people really don't know what trump would do and are concerned about that, more so than his tweets.
I think you'd have to admit you really don't know what trump would do either. Its not like he has a voting record. I am not a trump fan, but I do see the potential. I just don't know whether its bad or good in the end.
Typical politics, nuthin to get upset over. We're screwed anyway.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 04:15 PM (5vV+V)

847 @822

That's exactly what we need, nice, serious, unthreatening candidates. Presenting that image to the general public worked just grandly in 1992, 1996, 2008, and 2012, didn't it? The whole "compassionate conservative" angle also came within a hair's width of losing out in 2000 as well.

When are you guys going to understand that your insistence on decorum just doesn't fly with the average American anymore? You knock Trump supporters as "low information" but it seems to me that it is you who are far behind the times in terms of understanding the true state of the nation these days. You're not even bringing a proverbial knife to a gun fight, you're walking into the O.K. Corral unarmed and hoping the tone of your voice and sharp creases on your designer pants will impress people into seeing things your way.

The left fights to win while we self-cannibalize over a few Twitter responses which nobody will remember a week from now. You want to talk to me about wasting time?

Posted by: Foul Harold at August 25, 2015 04:15 PM (FGvan)

848 Posted by: zombie at August 25, 2015 04:02 PM (jBuUi)

Good questions.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 04:16 PM (OSs/l)

849 "Fuck that. She targeted him in a partisan way. So fuck her.

These "impartial" journalist shits need to be called out on their shitty dishonest behavior. Trump doesn't need Fox support to win. Perhaps they will deep six Kelly, which would be great. Fuck you, partisan bitch. I don't give a shit that you have "icy arian fury". Fuck off.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 02:03 PM (E5UB0)"

- - - - - - - - - -

It's obvious that a decent chuck of the Palinistas have found a new idol to bow down and worship. Every tough question is a direct attack. Any criticism is a plot to overthrow.

At least Trump can form semicoherent sentences, so he's got that going for him.

Also, Caitlyn, please go fuck yourself.

Literally.

Posted by: Community Organizer at August 25, 2015 04:16 PM (9VLhN)

850 283 I have a feeling in a year we'll be looking back and laughing at this whole Trump thing.
Posted by: brak at August 25, 2015 02:19 PM (Tj+s6)

Yeah. And all this talk about how Trump is playing three-dimensional chess, while everyone else is playing checkers - I heard that about Palin, I heard that about Ryan in 2012, I hear that every time there's a GOP candidate that talks back to the the MSM. And disappointment invariably follows and will come in this case as well, because Trump is mainly about Trump and promoting Trump, not about making the hopes and dreams of conservatives come true. He's not being a brilliant strategist, he's doing what Trump has done since the '80's. He's entertaining and I am glad that he has focused attention on illegal immigration - but he's also focused it on stupidity and pettiness.

And yeah, the GOP field as a whole sucks. All of them have flaws. That doesn't make Trump a great choice.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at August 25, 2015 04:17 PM (u0lmX)

851 Trump is such a great politician that I already won't to vote for him. Mitt was such a crappy politician that I never reached that stage.

Posted by: charris at August 25, 2015 04:17 PM (2hI19)

852 I think some people really don't know what trump would do and are concerned about that, more so than his tweets.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 04:15 PM (5vV+V)

Exactly. And we're never going to get to it with stupid gotcha bullshit and war on women crap. Thanks for a wasted opportunity, Fox.

I am willing to give him some rope for a while; see where he goes.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 04:18 PM (Vf5rR)

853 839
You betcha!

842
About what?

Posted by: Reggie 1971 at August 25, 2015 04:18 PM (Mg/2W)

854
Yeah, the most attractive thing about Trump and least attractive thing about Trump is the same thing -that he is an unknown.
The rest of the field are known and known asweak sauce.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 04:19 PM (5vV+V)

855 ..also, it really is not good form to start throwing around micro-aggressions like "faggot" at your commenters because you disagree with them and think they're nowhere near as smart or well thought out as you.

ROFL!!! I NEVER thought I'd ever see a Moron us the term "micro aggression" as an actual accusation! HILARIOUS!

Posted by: Auntie Doodles at August 25, 2015 04:20 PM (teYv/)

856 850 comments and it's just not the Moron Way to read them all

I said it before, Trump has a long uphill battle with women voters

this Twitter spat doesn't help with that, but it helps with males and females who fist-pump when they see a fight

Still a long way to go

Posted by: Feh at August 25, 2015 04:21 PM (DPN9m)

857 Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 04:13 P

You sound like a tough guy.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 04:22 PM (zoyKY)

858 Why should serious people care if Trump insults. A soft core scrunt?

Ergo, Ace is not a serious person.

Posted by: Bildung at August 25, 2015 04:24 PM (za0BN)

859 "Megyn Kelly, who has a huge microphone and, PS, is one of the most respected anchors on the right"

Was one of the most respected anchors. Any woman who talks about her sex life on Howard Stern and poses for GQ can't claim victim status or respect or class.

@838:

Interesting analysis. So you're saying Trump is crazy like a fox? (pretty much like Dick Nixon's 'mad' play on Vietnam?).

Posted by: shadescale at August 25, 2015 04:24 PM (xMxDs)

860 You get em Polynikes!

Posted by: Jeb Bush at August 25, 2015 04:25 PM (qB3Ky)

861 A number of things I like about him, and I get sick of the meme about him being a simple buffoon.

But yeah, Ace, I'm also getting sick of him never having a statesmanlike, you know, a bit of gravitas, moment or response.

Posted by: RM at August 25, 2015 04:25 PM (Sj3r3)

862 Do you get women? I don't think so.

Women hate other women, especially blonde and charismatic ones, especially the bitchy ones. Kelly is not an ordinary woman, she's a bitchy blonde who makes other women feel threatened.

Women love men who bicker with such women. I can assure you the female vote won't be one of Trump's problems.

Posted by: Juicer at August 25, 2015 04:25 PM (Q3cFN)

863 242 She doesn't even have to be slutty-naked. She could be artsy-naked.
Posted by: Weasel at August 25, 2015 02:15 PM (6xtq3)

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Posted by: Community Organizer at August 25, 2015 04:25 PM (9VLhN)

864 857
Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 04:13 P

You sound like a tough guy.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 04:22 PM (zoyKY)

Just getting the name-calling started off right.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 04:26 PM (Vf5rR)

865 "THIS IS ABOUT TRUMP NOT BEING ABLE TO KEEP HIS SHIT TOGETHER AND ATTACKING A VERY POWERFUL GOP INSTITUTION WHOSE SUPPORT (OR AT LEAST INDIFFERENCE) IS VITAL FOR HIM."

With Trump at a minimum of 32% in the polls, just saw one where he is at 40%, Fox NEEDS Trump. Not the other way around. Fox is small potatoes when every media outlet in the country wants to talk to him.

"THIS IS ABOUT ME BEGINNING TO WONDER ABOUT HIS MARBLES."

Trump is single handedly going up against the Uniparty, the political-media-industrial-Complex, The Cheap Labor Express, and the campaigns of 16 other candidates. He's in the middle of the battlefield and he's going to keep firing his machine gun until they are all dead. That's the sane thing to do when everyone is aligned against you. It's not paranoia it's fact. Trump is living the time tested and proven winner. You hit me, I destroy you.

"I care what it says about Trump's brittle, emotional psychology that will cut his own throat to bleed on someone who's hurt him."

Really, he's 70 years old, has about 500 job titles alone. He builds building, skyscrapers, hotels, golf courses. He sells products like water and ties. He had a television show. He has three aircraft. He employs thousands of people and works with thousands more including top executives and lawyers to run not only his businesses but his life. He is more than capable of toning things down and he's more than sane, and competent.

He's described these things before. He's said he uses controlled violence to get things done. He runs a yuge ship and he has to be tough to keep things running properly. For all his faults nobody has ever called him crazy or irrational.

His personal butler says he only sleeps just 3-4 hours a night as a rule. He's just a high energy person who doesn't need much sleep.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 25, 2015 04:26 PM (OIgIO)

866 Posted by: Juicer at August 25, 2015 04:25 PM (Q3cFN)

I'm curious- Are you a woman? Is this how you supposedly know them so well?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 04:28 PM (OSs/l)

867
Look before we get too far away from the beach on this rowboat. I think we can ALL agree, evena loose cannon Trump would be abetter Presidentthan that addle pated drunk Hillary.
I think he'd be better than Biden also.
I simply won't vote for Jeb.I'll stay home.
I honestly don't know yet if I would vote for Trump. I might vote for Walker, or Jindal, or maybe on a bad day Kaisich, but they'd never win the general so who cares. Who else is there? Carson, Fiorina, Fat-boy McJersey? Naw.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 04:28 PM (5vV+V)

868 I think some people really don't know what trump would do and are concerned about that, more so than his tweets.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 04:15 PM (5vV+V)

Exactly. And we're never going to get to it with stupid gotcha bullshit and war on women crap. Thanks for a wasted opportunity, Fox.

I am willing to give him some rope for a while; see where he goes.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 04:18 PM (Vf5rR)

^^^^Thank you.

Yes, that was a totally wasted opportunity by FOX.

If you really really want to take out Trump,

then do it with policy questions.

And ask the other potential candidates the exact same questions.

Now you run the risk, that some wet milksop like Jeb! will knock himself out with some lame-ass, low energy answer,

but them's the risks.

And , of course Trump may rise to the occasion and solidify his support.

As for myself, I'm betting that my faves - Cruz, Carly will rise to the occasion and shine under those circumstances.

But, if Trump does as well, I'm fine with that.

The fact that Megs went all 13 year old girl gossipy on her questions-

meant the GOPe have no faith in Jeb!, Rubio, Kasich, and the also rans to win their argument based on policy-

Think about that for a minute.

And think hard.

So, if Trump's clearing battle space to get to answer policy by sideswiping nannie-boo-boo level questioners-

I'm all for it.

I'd like to know what he stands for and what his true priorities are.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 25, 2015 04:30 PM (0cMkb)

869 why you keep calling him idiot? do idiots go this far? and additionally, megyn kelly was very unprofessional, the whole debate was intended to screw trump, and it backfire. regarding fox, yes conservative but aligned with the wsj and the elites more than the people, and that includes you ace.

Posted by: kilroy at August 25, 2015 04:31 PM (PrSrU)

870 "uses controlled violence to get things done."

And not physical violence. It's a metaphor.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 25, 2015 04:33 PM (OIgIO)

871 Cruz isn't 2016. His time will come if we still have a Country.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 04:33 PM (5vV+V)

872 Do you guys even acknowledge that Trump was asked more questions than just that opening salvo? Do you even recall his answers?

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 04:34 PM (zoyKY)

873 ace, didn't you declare a few weeks ago that you are now a radical?

You don't sound like one.

You sound conventional.

Posted by: Positive Waves at August 25, 2015 04:34 PM (MQEz6)

874 I might feel better about Trump is he can stay on top for a few more months win some bigstate widecontests. then he won't need to runtrump the spectacle for attention. If he still does it, then its intrinsic and not a game plan. Still if Cruz is his running mate, I'd prolly vote for them on 2016.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 04:36 PM (5vV+V)

875 "you hit me with a bullshit question like this bimbo did, and I'll mail your ass back to you in a Pringles can!"

Haha. Awesome. This is probably the funniest thing I've read in the past month.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 25, 2015 04:36 PM (OIgIO)

876
872 Do you guys even acknowledge that Trump was asked more questions than just that opening salvo? Do you even recall his answers?
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 04:34 PM (zoyKY)

Cruz is not attacking Trump. In fact they seem to have some sort of deal.

Why do you attack Trump?

Are you smarter than Cruz?

Posted by: Positive Waves at August 25, 2015 04:37 PM (MQEz6)

877 The fact that Megs went all 13 year old girl gossipy on her questions-

meant the GOPe have no faith in Jeb!, Rubio, Kasich, and the also rans to win their argument based on policy-

Think about that for a minute.

And think hard.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 25, 2015 04:30 PM (0cMkb)

First there was rumor that GOPe wanted to cut Trump out of the first debate.

Then the attempted Nancy Kerrigan on Trump at the debates, which backfired, after the stupid purity ring question.

Instead of taking the various offers of advice from various corners that the best way to take out Trump is to undercut his support by stealing his message, stealing his thunder, stealing his megaphone . . . .

Now the various states level GOP are looking to enforce loyalty oaths, further pushing Trump and Trump supporters to a third party.

They must really be getting road hard by their handlers if that is their response to their continued failure to address the rise of Trump.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 04:40 PM (Vf5rR)

878 872
Do you guys even acknowledge that Trump was asked more questions than just that opening salvo? Do you even recall his answers?

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 04:34 PM (zoyKY)

They were mostly, "something, something, like you wouldn't believe."

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 04:42 PM (Vf5rR)

879 Tsk tsk.

Trump's still picking on Rosie, or was that news chick with the Jay Leno chin?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 25, 2015 04:45 PM (NaeCR)

880 My last word on this...

It was obvious to most of us that Kelly and Fox tried to tank Trump in the debate. It was obvious to the blind.

Apparently, Ace didn't see it that way. He saw Kelly and the others ask the typical media "gotcha" questions that every candidate should expect.

Trump expected more from Fox. He was mistaken.

Trump, fueled by 50 years of being Trump, did exactly what he has done for those 50 years - he fired back. I don't understand how anyone could expect him to do anything differently.

This is extremely embarrassing to Ace. All the bluster and bravado that makes Trump Trump is not how Ace sees a conservative leader.

He also couldn't picture a snowbilly in any high office either.

For me, I'm perfectly willing to accept the banjo pickers in our party, even if I don't identify with their lifestyle.

Posted by: jwest at August 25, 2015 04:46 PM (Zs4uk)

881 "Do you guys even acknowledge that Trump was asked more questions than just that opening salvo? Do you even recall his answers? "

Questions are irrelevant to the presidency. We need someone who will hit Megyn Kelly so hard she spells her name right!

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at August 25, 2015 04:47 PM (TULs6)

882 Anyone have a good Baja recipe for carne asada marinade?

I don't know about Baja, but I was told to sprinkle the meat with orange bitters Adobo brand seasoning and then layer it in a pan with beer overnight. You cannot imagine how good it was. My family was impressed and so were my Mexican friends! :-)

Posted by: Auntie Doodles at August 25, 2015 04:59 PM (teYv/)

883 What could he possibly be thinking?

I haven't read all the comments to see if this has already been stated, but at this late time, it probably will be overlooked anyway.

Trump has said this whole time that he just wants to be treated fairly. He's not asking for niceness, for overly generousness...he wants fairness.

Since Megyn didn't treat anyone on that stage fairly, and couldn't because media doesn't work that way, Trump feels like he's justified in his actions. He's calling out the top mainstream media darling. If others take notice, Trump could change that like he did to turn the focus on immigration.

Posted by: adsila at August 25, 2015 05:02 PM (AR612)

884
I don't know about Baja, but I was told to sprinkle the meat with orange bitters Adobo brand seasoning and then layer it in a pan with beer overnight. You cannot imagine how good it was. My family was impressed and so were my Mexican friends! :-)

Posted by: Auntie Doodles at August 25, 2015 04:59 PM (teYv/)

Really? Orange bitters?

Weird, but hey, I'll have to give it a try.

Any particular beer?

Posted by: naturalfake at August 25, 2015 05:09 PM (0cMkb)

885 Also,

Is that Goyo Adobo?

Posted by: naturalfake at August 25, 2015 05:12 PM (0cMkb)

886 Oh, by the way, ace, I took your advice and cut tv. It took me awhile, because I'd been thinking about it just before you'd written your post about it. My house is pretty quiet now. But I like listening to audio books when I'm working in the house. Not as distracting as tv. I cancelled cable and haven't bought antennas yet. I'm just going to see how it goes, what I really do want or need.

Posted by: Auntie Doodles at August 25, 2015 05:13 PM (teYv/)

887 Wrong.
That having been said: he is crass and unpresidential.
He has also completely changed the game.
Thank God.
Some perspective is necessary she's a "commentator" for crying out loud.
Not "get-r-done-atator".
At the end of the day they just bloviate.
M.K. wanted to "take Trump down", in order to improve her stature and further her career.
She failed.
She shoulda played it straight.
He looked her directly in the eye answered her questions and dismissed her.
Correctly.
She comments on politics.
He is running for President.
The two responsibilities need to be kept in perspective.

Posted by: bopiddy at August 25, 2015 05:25 PM (9HJf4)

888 Trump is, willingly or not, doing work for the Democrats. When he doesn't get the nomination (because let's face it, he has no business running for ANY type of office), that will dampen any enthusiasm the grass roots might have for the election. The election will then turn out like the Romney debacle, only worse.

Posted by: Cygnus at August 25, 2015 05:32 PM (fdavN)

889 Fox should have used Harris Faulkner.

Posted by: bopiddy at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM (9HJf4)

890 I'm remembering how Perot looked so awesome for a few months, and then he went all mental and tanked his chances just before the election with batshit craziness. Some say he did it on purpose because he never really wanted the job; some say he always was crazy, he just hid well with a lot of yes men. Didn't matter - his nuttiness gave us the Clinton show.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2015 05:54 PM (Kpl3J)

891 >Stop being a stupid little bitch and start talking like a god-damned grownup, you imbecile.

How about you stop being so fragile and realize that Megyn Kelly's honor isn't worth caterwauling over.

Posted by: Crude at August 25, 2015 05:59 PM (/IrCS)

892 If Glenn Beck and Charles Johnson packed fudge one magical evening...their love child would closely resemble ACE...

Posted by: Myskidmark at August 25, 2015 06:24 PM (aHX05)

893 I am supporting Trump against establishment candidates, but ISO don't feel confident supporting some so incredibly puerile.

Posted by: Doubting Thomasina at August 25, 2015 06:33 PM (tSTeR)

894 Ailes natural ally of Trump? What has he been smoking, Ailes boss Murdoch a Bloomberg-Clinton ally, Fox News top 10 contributor to Clinton, Ailes a GHW Bush staff member. A perfect establishment member only been conning conservatives for over 10 years just like GOP has for 50 years.

Posted by: HW at August 25, 2015 06:36 PM (cZUr3)

895 "So you're saying Trump is crazy like a fox?"

Pretty much, although I don't think he's deliberately goading the Establishment into attacking him. They started it and he's just responding as circumstances dictate. They declared war on him. It's not his nature to back down from personal slights but even more importantly it's not in his interests. His support is the F-the Establishment base. Continuing to take the fight to Kelly/Fox solidifies his cred and it's his only viable option. The Establishment will hound him to extinction even if he tries to play ball with them.

Think of it as a right-wing version of Axelrod's "voltage" strategy with Obama.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at August 25, 2015 06:40 PM (dELev)

896 " that will dampen any enthusiasm the grass roots might have for the election."

If the GOP hadn't done such a good job of "enervating" their base to date, Trump wouldn't be an issue. He's a symptom, not a cause.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at August 25, 2015 06:42 PM (dELev)

897 I agree with Bitter Clinger @ 90. I see Ace's point, but I think there is plenty of time for Trump to get support from Fox et al. The most dangerous thing for him now is to be seen as one of pack of Republican candidates.

Posted by: skzion at August 25, 2015 07:03 PM (eTniG)

898 Debbie Schlussel's comments on Megyn.

http://tinyurl.com/p74vct5

Posted by: skzion at August 25, 2015 07:18 PM (eTniG)

899 Trump isn't interested in winning, Trump is a fucking flame throwing troll hell bent on destroying the Republican Party.

Posted by: B Moe at August 25, 2015 07:28 PM (PElXC)

900 Megan Kelly isn't interested in Trump winning any more than he is. I suppose that's fair.

Posted by: goon at August 25, 2015 07:34 PM (gy5kE)

901 Trump isn't interested in winning, Trump is a fucking flame throwing troll hell bent on destroying the Republican Party.

Go on ...

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 25, 2015 07:46 PM (rwI+c)

902 Oh, Ace, you're so wrong on this. Trump is not "emoting", he has a VERY good reason for still going after Kelly. You really do need to read The Conservative Treehouse. Sundance today explains the "why".

Also, anyone who thought Trump's fight with Kelly was over is silly and does not pay attention to Trump's history. The man has been in a feud with Rosie for a DECADE. It works for him, obviously. He knows what he's doing. As John Nolte explains on Breitbart:

"Call it intimidation. Call it negotiation. Whatever you want to call it, we have never before seen a Republican candidate stand up in this way to the media."

After the way Kelly treated Trump at the debate, she should be apologizing to him. Trump's being TOO NICE to Fox, imo.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 25, 2015 09:16 PM (xetep)

903 We already know that you don't like Trump, but must you white-knight for Kelly, though?

Posted by: Q-Do at August 25, 2015 09:23 PM (Z58Xa)

904 *tip toes quietly out of AoS.*

Lurk and keep silent..

Posted by: Russkilitlover at August 25, 2015 09:32 PM (BSlgy)

905 Re: Trump and Kelly: Ace, you don't get it still. Trump is NOT establishment. Yes, the GOPe would make nice with Kelly and say the right political things to smooth things over. But a non-establishment guy would stick to his morals and stick to his guns despite political correctness. Who wants him to become establishment, other than the GOPe itself? No one.

Posted by: doug at August 25, 2015 09:51 PM (IYEs/)

906 I don't give a shit about Megyn Kelly. I do give one about Donald Trump's puerile behavior.

The comments sections at sites like Breitbart are getting downright scary. It's deja vu 2008 all over again, this time with Donald Trump starring as the savior and the right wing in the supporting role as the cult.

Posted by: SukieTawdry at August 25, 2015 11:09 PM (cZZiD)

907 Holy fck, Ace...wtf is happening to your clarity?

He went at Kelly as proxy for Murdoch stroking Bloomberg's wang.

The rightie pundits are too invested in the sanctity of Fox.

Posted by: bud at August 25, 2015 11:42 PM (heQHi)

908 Ace: Have you considered the possibility that this Wharton School graduate who has made billions of dollars, written best-selling books, had top-rated television shows, and is leading in all polls maybe knows what he's doing?

Posted by: Justfactualthings at August 26, 2015 12:29 AM (oCxXI)

909 Poor Ace is under the delusion that Ailes is an "ally" of Trump. Nope. Ailes is an ally of MURDOCH who loathes Trump. Sheesh. Fox is Establishment. Trump is not. This isn't rocket science.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 26, 2015 12:50 AM (xetep)

910 Admittedly I have turned to watch Kelly twice since that debate and both times she has gone after Trump ridiculously, I have no problem with Trump continuing going after her, because she hasn't stopped going after him.

Posted by: doug at August 26, 2015 01:06 AM (IYEs/)

911 Oh, you probably want examples. Okay, last couple of days she set up one of her croines....something like so and so is the DC bureau chief reporter who has been there forever and is an expert on everything political....so and so what do you think about Trump's plan?.....(so and so: unworkable how can the idiot think Mexico will pay for the wall)..Kelly: well there you have it trump is an idiot.

Posted by: doug at August 26, 2015 01:12 AM (IYEs/)

912 "is one of the most respected anchors on the right"

WAS regarded as such, no longer. You're missing it:

Megyn Kelley screwed up by trying to make the debates about her. Its a disease FOX has acquired - all their anchors want to be Celebrity Journalists like the blowhard Bill O'Reilly.

After the debate, I wanted analysis of where each candidate stood. Instead, I got a 24/7 spat between two celebrity blowhards.

Megyn was very good before this debacle, but now she wants to be "famous", at our expense.

Less Judge Judy, more Antonin Scalia please.

Megyn made the cardinal sin of journalism - she allowed herself to become part of the story.

She is no longer as respected as you think.

Posted by: Fen at August 26, 2015 06:49 AM (LzTHP)

913 If he wasn't far past middle-age, you would think Trump's obsession reflected a mid-life crisis. "Oh dear, I'm losing my hair, and women (or if female, "men") don't worship my irresistible sexiness as during my youth."

Megan Kelly has that untouchable goddess image. Trump sees himself as the irresistible Alpha man which should have conquered the Queen with his Trumpiness. He's like an aging movie star told he can't play the leading male romantic roles anymore.

This guy can't cope with anything that breaks through his self-glorified image bubble. Obama is another classic example. An extremely dangerous personality type for the role of president.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at August 26, 2015 06:53 AM (DnlRe)

914 Some of us WANT our own Lois Lerner in office. Eff this country, if I have a Pres who will take vengeance on our enemies in both parties, I'm good with that.

Before the burning, payback.

Posted by: Trump at August 26, 2015 07:24 AM (MO8qR)

915 How does Trump conduct his business? Does he do so with petty revenge in mind toward his critics and competitors? If so, you may have a point with this article. If not--if he runs his businesses with the bottom line in mind, what's best for his company--your worries are probably not warranted.

This is a show. Trump is running for president. Proving his tenaciousness is part of the show. He understands the show much better than the pundits seem to.

Posted by: larrd at August 26, 2015 10:35 AM (5FvzV)

916 "Then, having beaten the Establishment, he would leave them with little other choice but to accept that he has won, and begin supporting him, and saying nice things about him for once."

This is naive. As events have shown.

In the 1998 elections, Peter Fitzgerald ran for Senator of Illinois in the Republican primary. He was not the nominee selected by the Illinois GOP, but he was independently wealthy and had a message that appealed more to the electorate. He won the primary. He won the general election and became Senator.

While sitting as Senator, he appointed Patrick Fitzgerald (no relation) as the U.S. District Attorney for Northern Illinois. Atty. Fitzgerald proceeded to indict over 60 politicians and lobbyists for fraud, corruption, bribery, etc. His conviction rate was over 95%. The people he put in jail included 1 former governor and one sitting governor (GOP and Dem, respectively). Sen. Fitzgerald did more to advance the interests of the citizens of Illinois than any Senator in years.

So, did the GOP establishment accept that he had won and was serving the public interest and support him? Oh, hell no. In the next election they funded a primary opponent to run against him. Having spent a lot of his own money to serve the citizens for 6 years, he declined to get involved in this mess and declined to run for re-election. The GOP establishment's hand-picked successor's campaign proceeded to implode over sexually scandalous revelations from his divorce. The search for a successor, with little time left in the campaign, fell apart because the Illinois GOP party head, a public official, had to resign because he was being investigated over using the public employees in his office to do political work for him. Other well-known GOP politicians wouldn't touch either the chairmanship or the campaign.

So the eventual candidate - who was not even a resident of Illinois when he was selected - was handily beaten by his Democratic opponent, a State Senator with much less political experience than most. In an election when nationwide the GOP was desperate to hang on to every Senate seat they could. Thank you, Illinois GOP establishment, for ensuring the advance of the political career of then-State Senator Barack Obama.

Posted by: RonF at August 26, 2015 11:06 AM (l8nW6)

917 >>> 8 Rich guys like Trump and me are usually jerks.
Posted by: Mr. Doo Doo at August 25, 2015 01:50 PM (OD2ni)

I just want to say, before this shit-ball of a thread gets flushed into ignominious oblivion, that this comment was really fucking funny.

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