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Walker Attacks GOP Establishment For Not Repealing Obamacare; Offers His Plan for Repealing and Replacing It

Did these guys really need Trump to let them know the voters are pissed off at the establishment?

I've been baffled by this since Bush's attempted amnesty. Any half-assed political intelligence operation can go through blogs and comments to see where the the most animated voters stand on issues.

But time and again, they don't bother with such simple intelligence-gathering.

Net result? We all know far more about the actual GOP primary electorate than the politicians trying to court it, or the vaunted consultants telling them how to do that.

So, apparently: Now the word is out. The voters are pissed off at the sell-outs of the Establishment.

So now we start getting that sort of rhetoric.

"People all across this country are fed up with Washington, I feel your pain, I'm fed up with Washington, too," Walker said. "I think about this, we were told by Republican leaders during the campaign cycle last year that we just needed a Republican Senate to be elected to repeal Obamacare. Well here we sit, you know both chambers of the United States Congress have been controlled since January by Republicans and yet there's not a bill on the president's desk to repeal Obamacare."

Walker, who has argued throughout the campaign that he is best positioned to win conservative reforms in Washington, recounted taking on legislative Republicans in Wisconsin when he won his first term as governor.

"I said to them the voters had told us they wanted is to be big and be bold," Walker said. "As you can imagine, at the time, there were some Republican lawmakers who were kind of uneasy with the idea of taking on the status quo. I said it's put up or shut up time."

One of Walker's Republican opponents immediately blasted the plan, however, calling it "Obamacare-lite".

....

One of the central elements of the Walker proposal replaces the Obama weath-based subsidies for health plans with flat tax credits, ranging between $900 and $3,000 per person, based on their age.

The Walker proposal, the first major policy rollout from his campaign, calls for "capped allotments" to states for some parts of Medicaid while allowing acute care payments to continue uncapped.

Charles Krauthammer explains (on the 6:000 Fox news show) that this is essentially a grant of catastrophic care insurance, for big, unexpected and high health costs, but leaves it to everyone to either pay for more routine costs out of pocket or with their own health plan.

Eh, kinda the version of "free health care" that I find the least objectionable, and the least disastrous.

As you probably know, Walker and Jindal have also followed Trump in calling for an end to automatic born-here citizenship.

Again, I have to ask: What the hell are you paying consultants for if they have absolutely no idea what the mood of the country is? And they don't. This apparently all comes as a huge shock to the political class.

Perhaps you've been a bit too successful in insulating yourself from your constituents, huh?

Posted by: Ace at 07:10 PM




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1 In other words, exactly what 'health insurance' should be.

Subsidize the catastrophic if necessary, you'll have private insurance in the middle, you pay for your birth-control pills and chiropractic yourself.

Posted by: JEM at August 18, 2015 07:13 PM (o+SC1)

2 Here's the least objectionable conservative health care plan: Medicat, it's universal insurance for all and covers any costs above x amount per year. It covers a limited set of chronic conditions (like dialysis) and is financed by taxing all health care spending above y amount.

Posted by: bjk at August 18, 2015 07:13 PM (x2rNW)

3 Net result? We all know far more about the actual GOP primary electorate than the politicians trying to court it, or the vaunted consultants telling them how to do that.

yea, I can't figure this out

the only one I have seen so far that talks like me is cruz and fiorina

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 18, 2015 07:14 PM (qCMvj)

4 "People all across this country are fed up with Washington, I feel your pain, I'm fed up with Washington, too,"

Great. Then I propose we up the ante: if we're fed up with Washington, let's get rid of it. It's the 21st century. Why do we need a capital? Mandate that each representative can only cast a vote for legislation while physically within his district, and each Senator can only cast a vote while physically within his state.

Posted by: JSchuler at August 18, 2015 07:14 PM (6i4P9)

5 I think we are a little more than just pissed by the way.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 18, 2015 07:15 PM (mysAS)

6 >>>ere's the least objectionable conservative health care plan: Medicat, it's universal insurance for all and covers any costs above x amount per year. It covers a limited set of chronic conditions (like dialysis) and is financed by taxing all health care spending above y amount.

well that's just a version of catastrophic coverage.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:15 PM (dciA+)

7 Man, I wish Perry would've awoken a year ago and came out on stuff like this... (and immigration)

Now I'll be stuck either staying home, or voting for Sanders - just as a poke in the eye.

Posted by: Chi at August 18, 2015 07:15 PM (lboSL)

8 But it avoids all the mess of credits and income qualifications and so on.

Posted by: bjk at August 18, 2015 07:16 PM (x2rNW)

9

They are gathering data and reacting in a mirrored bubble. Among themselves. It is truly frightening.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 18, 2015 07:16 PM (qCMvj)

10 He forgot to say that a GOP lead Senate and House have done more for Obama since Jan than Reid and Pelosi did in the 2 years prior.

Posted by: CDR M at August 18, 2015 07:16 PM (TWXpK)

11
Oh boy, look at the time! Its already past 7:000... I have to step away from my desk and get home already.

Posted by: Serious Cat at August 18, 2015 07:17 PM (UypUQ)

12
Walker lost me at "...and replace."

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at August 18, 2015 07:17 PM (DxVXo)

13

nightie night

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 18, 2015 07:17 PM (qCMvj)

14 "But time and again, they don't bother with such simple intelligence-gathering."

Leaders lead, followers follow.

But you nailed it. It's not only that they lack simple intelligence gathering. They seem to lack the basic political antennae to pick up on this from the culture. This is their business, for God's sake. Just amazing, and depressing.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 18, 2015 07:17 PM (s/yC1)

15 I loathe Trump, but I have to admit, he's making the rest of the field jump to his tune like trained seals.

Marco, OTOH, decided that it would be wise to attack any effort to eliminate birthright inheritance. I think he's figured out that his only chance is to displace Jeb. Not a good chance, it's just his only shot.

Posted by: pep at August 18, 2015 07:17 PM (LAe3v)

16 I like what I'm hearing more and more from Walker, he seems to be a good mix of pragmatic conservatism.

Posted by: Coolio at August 18, 2015 07:17 PM (B6LL7)

17 Did these guys really need Trump to let them know the voters are pissed off at the establishment?


I'm guessing they had thousands of consultants screaming at then that populism makes you AkinHitlerODonnell and makes you electoral poison and you will Doom the Party.

The GOP created 'candidate school' to crank out bland androids that would speak in Approved Phrases.

Trump upended the calculus.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 18, 2015 07:17 PM (j2FM9)

18
Here's the part where a couple of the Republican party rump swabs posing as political thinkers tell me the Republicans have to offer a replacement because blah blah blah...

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at August 18, 2015 07:18 PM (DxVXo)

19 Like him or hate him, Trump is having a positive impact on the election. "F*ck The GOPe" is starting to look like A Thing.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 18, 2015 07:18 PM (8ZskC)

20 The Establishment lives in a fucking bubble. It's a Washington-NY-LA(and some other cultural biggies) axis. The rest of the country doesn't exist. The media is in the same bubble. The media are perceived to define what is acceptable by the establishment, and the establishment gives the media feedback on that. And off the spin in their own little warp bubble of spacetime distortion that has nothing to do with the reality of the rest of the country.

The Trumpster is piercing that bubble. By sheer force of his own bombast. Trump may single-handedly shift the ol' Overton window (as seen from inside the bubble).

The world inside this bubble is just not computable to people who live in the real world. When you ask questions like "why can't they see this obvious fact?", it is borne of living in the real world, not their bubble. Inside the bubble, it's not obvious.

Hell, half the shit that has plaqued this country comes from thinking inside that bubble. The real world would have NEVER passed that shit on its own accord.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 07:18 PM (dvuhZ)

21 I just read the Walker plan this morning. It doesn't look like universal insurance. You aren't required to buy insurance, as far as I can see from it. If you don't get tax breaks for buying it through your job, then you get a tax credit for buying on the private market.

Link in nic.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 18, 2015 07:18 PM (2lndx)

22 This is all just show. I'm not buying that he really feels this way. Just theater to say what they think folks want to hear.

Posted by: CDR M at August 18, 2015 07:19 PM (TWXpK)

23 the only one I have seen so far that talks like me is cruz and fiorina

Posted by: artisanal 'ette


Carly looks much better in jeans and a tight shirt than Cruz.
Cruz has a much better low-rider and tats, though.

Posted by: pep at August 18, 2015 07:19 PM (LAe3v)

24
"When three idiots are arguing on Twitter and you agree with one of the idiots, that makes you the fourth idiot."

-- Shih Tzu

Posted by: Shih Tzu at August 18, 2015 07:19 PM (DxVXo)

25 This is the Trump Effect that many of us have spoken of.

The man was absolutely correct when he told Fox that his presence is what caused the record setting viewership at the non-debate.

His rhetoric is forcing others to address the issues which voters relate to.

As someone here has said several times... Trump is the first stage of the Saturn Five.

Absolutely vital to the success of the mission, but never achieves orbit himself.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2015 07:19 PM (VPLuQ)

26 No candidate is going to pull all government funding out of healthcare, and the same people screaming about Republicans having any sort of replacement policy for ObamaCare are probably the same group that thinks Trump is A-Ok supporting socialized medicine like they have in the UK and bringing that here.

Posted by: Coolio at August 18, 2015 07:19 PM (B6LL7)

27

Again, I have to ask: What the hell are you paying consultants for if
they have absolutely no idea what the mood of the country is? And they
don't. This apparently all comes as a huge shock to the political class.

Perhaps you've been a bit too successful in insulating yourself from your constituents, huh?





My concern about this is that they're saying this crap now because they are forced to. Not because they believe it, but because they think they have to appease us. I'd like to trust them, I really would. But I can't.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 18, 2015 07:20 PM (q20+R)

28 Ace, you are rarely this naive. Consultants get hired for many reasons. But they keep their jobs by telling clients what they want to hear.

Posted by: USA at August 18, 2015 07:20 PM (tfM+W)

29 >>>I loathe Trump, but I have to admit, he's making the rest of the field jump to his tune like trained seals.

i can't deny it anymore either. They simply have not bothered to learn what the public's mood is.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:20 PM (dciA+)

30 The GOP created 'candidate school' to crank out bland androids that would speak in Approved Phrases.

It's like they all come from the uncanny valley. Disturbingly lifelike, but off.

Posted by: pep at August 18, 2015 07:21 PM (LAe3v)

31 19 Like him or hate him, Trump is having a positive impact on the election. "F*ck The GOPe" is starting to look like A Thing.


Trump is Batman. Not the politician we need, but the one we deserve.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 18, 2015 07:21 PM (0NdlF)

32 >>>My concern about this is that they're saying this crap now because they are forced to. Not because they believe it, but because they think they have to appease us. I'd like to trust them, I really would. But I can't.

but they don't even know how to LIE right -- it's only now that everyone is talking about how much they hate the establishment in DC.

Apparently, before, they didn't know this would sell.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:21 PM (dciA+)

33 The GOP created 'candidate school' to crank out bland androids Stepford Wives that would speak in Approved Phrases.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2015 07:22 PM (VPLuQ)

34 (on the 6:000 Fox news show)

Is this that fancy European metric time?

Posted by: pennyweight per hogshead at August 18, 2015 07:22 PM (ydFKh)

35 Trump is the first stage of the Saturn Five.



Absolutely vital to the success of the mission, but never achieves orbit himself.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice


Yeah, stolen.

Posted by: pep at August 18, 2015 07:22 PM (LAe3v)

36 Dangit, I messed up the quote. Ah well.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 18, 2015 07:22 PM (0NdlF)

37 >>> This is all just show. I'm not buying that he really feels this way. Just theater to say what they think folks want to hear.

granting that, why did he not know this was a useful line of rhetoric six months ago?

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:22 PM (dciA+)

38 Or you could, you know get the federal government out of this and put it back where it belongs with the states.

Oh the federal government has to have a role because of the commerce clause.

Write a law allowing sale across state lines of insurance policies just like auto insurance and anything else that is necessary to facilitate this.

There is no reason for the Feds to be involved.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 18, 2015 07:22 PM (mysAS)

39 "Again, I have to ask: What the hell are you paying consultants for if they have absolutely no idea what the mood of the country is? And they don't. This apparently all comes as a huge shock to the political class."

Consultants are hangers on who don't want the uncertainty of running but still want the sweet donor money floating around.

If you need consultants or advisors to run you have no business being a politician. You only get advisors once you win and need more focussed expertise.

Posted by: Decaf at August 18, 2015 07:23 PM (CsxNC)

40 Huh. Someone noticed the tent's on fire when they finally got around to smelling the smoke?

Too late, shitbirds.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 07:23 PM (oFCZn)

41 IF I in anyway believed ANY of the 'front runners' on this, it might change my mind.

But I iz smartz, it only took 5 previous burns touching the stove coils when they are red to learn maybe THIS time I'd get burned again.

I'm so far past done with the GOP, minarchism FTW as few of those F*$&ERS as is achievable is now my 'goal'.

Posted by: Evil_Bun_Bun at August 18, 2015 07:23 PM (8qoUN)

42 I was willowed

328
BlackLivesMatter is just the new OccupyWallStreet-- an agitation scheme
to motivate liberal base and form the Narrative for Election Season.


Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 07:16 PM (oVJmc)

YES BINGO!

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 07:24 PM (0FSuD)

43 "Did these guys really need Trump to let them know the voters are pissed off at the establishment?"

Yes.

Because they don't friggin' care.

Congress has a 15% approval rating. 15.%

Trump is the tar, feathers, rails, pitchforks and torches, lampposts and watchacallits.....that NOBODY has the balls to organize a march on DC or any state offices with.

OK. Trump is an asshole. But he's our asshole.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 18, 2015 07:24 PM (7eQGn)

44 ANother great thing the GOPe consultants have come up with is never attacking their fascist-democrat opponents. Hell they recommend not even defending themselves.

"My republican terrorist wants to kill you and your children and he hates women, blacks and hispanics."

"Well I would disagree with my esteemed democratic opponent. Although I can see how some people would think that."

That's how you lose to an imbecille with a terrible track record like Obama. Now they did pull out all the stops in nasty insults to beat a conservative in MI. I know what side they are on and they can suck a turd out of my asshole.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at August 18, 2015 07:24 PM (f+6Pd)

45 []If you need consultants or advisors to run you have no business being a politician.

Carly apparently writes her own speeches. That's pretty impressive.

Posted by: pep at August 18, 2015 07:24 PM (LAe3v)

46 They simply have not bothered to learn what the public's mood is.


We should harness this wacko-bird deflection technology. Perhaps as a replacement for BMD.

Posted by: DaveA at August 18, 2015 07:24 PM (DL2i+)

47 Did these guys really need Trump to let them know the voters are pissed off at the establishment?


Here's the thing.


Did need Trump = no clue, let's fool the voters.


Didn't need Trump = liar, let's fool the voters.

Posted by: dDan at August 18, 2015 07:24 PM (hwYmz)

48 here was my advice to Mike Flynn, who lost because of money, not message:


1. Don't be afraid to play the populism card, hard.

2. Run against the Establishment like your life depended on it.

His answer?

Oh dude I totally know.

We knew.

Why don't these idiots understand?

This is all open information. I won't take their money because I don't like this business -- but there are 100 bloggers who they could pay to do monthly "Heat Sheets" on what their commenters are thinking (as a mass, not individuals).

From such "heat sheets" they would get a sense of where active conservative people are thinking.

Instead... they.... I don't know what the fuck they do. They sit around in the same DC bars, talking to the same DC scrubs, telling each other all the same DC conventional wisdom.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:25 PM (dciA+)

49 granting that, why did he not know this was a useful line of rhetoric six months ago?

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:22 PM (dciA+)


Exactly, Ace.

It's taken this long? THIS LONG?

Does anyone think this is in any way believable on any level?

They really shit the bed this time around.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 07:25 PM (oFCZn)

50
They simply have not bothered to learn what the public's mood is.

Which brings us right to the people they hire for these big national campaigns, right?

I mean, they stink. Or they're double-agents for the DNC.

Posted by: Shih Tzu at August 18, 2015 07:25 PM (DxVXo)

51 Trump has definitely made the GOP candidates take a 2nd look at the strategy of winning by "not losing".

That was Romney's biggest problem, he thought the country was so fed up with Obama all he had to do was not offend anyone and he would be President.

Posted by: Coolio at August 18, 2015 07:25 PM (B6LL7)

52 You know why I'm not a wealthy Republican consultant? Because I look at this Trump phenomenon and think, "Wow, people are really into that guy. Other politicians should study his messaging and his technique to see if they can catch that lightning in a bottle."

Apparently, only a moron thinks this way. The way wealthy Republican consultants like Rick Wilson think is, "Wow, people are really into that guy. We should call them retards so they'll vote for our guys instead."

Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2015 07:25 PM (c/Ipt)

53 HELLO? HELLO?

Posted by: pissed off taxpayer at August 18, 2015 07:25 PM (wAQA5)

54 How does this whole Consultant thing work anyhow?



Does some guy just wake up one day wanting to be President, walk to the podium and say "I have a vision for this country. And as soon as my consultants tell me what my vision is, and how I am going to achieve it, I'll let you know"?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2015 07:25 PM (VPLuQ)

55 Because they don't friggin' care

If that's so, why are they changing their approach?

Posted by: pep at August 18, 2015 07:25 PM (LAe3v)

56 I'm with dangergirl. I do not trust 'em. If they really believed it, they would've started campaigning with it. The winds changed and they're doing what politicians do and say what you want to hear but they have no intention of following through. Like Ace says, they're awful liars.

Posted by: CDR M at August 18, 2015 07:25 PM (TWXpK)

57 Did these guys really need Trump to let them know the voters are pissed off at the establishment?

Dude, he moved the Uber-ton Bimbo!

Posted by: theorectical LIV hobbit, wacko-bird at August 18, 2015 07:26 PM (ZCFje)

58 Mark Steyn made another good point about the bubble. Our establishment guys think they need to be moderate because that's where the consultants tell they should be. How do they decide the country is "moderate".

Well, these consultants look at various issue polls and assign the results only some simple left-right axis. The public is to the left on this issue, to the right on this.

In truth, a simple 1D axis won't do for this, you need a few more. Second, the public does not hold a rational opinion on anything (actually, see Arrow's Impossibility Theorem, it is *mathematically impossible* for a collective, given more than two choices, to be guaranteed to be reasonable, even if every single voter in that collective is rational).

On some issues, the "the public" is hard left. On some it is hard right. When you average these together, you get "moderate". But the public isn't truly moderate squish on everything, a lot of things. They are bi-polar extremists many times.

Anyway, this is how they decide to be moderate squishes. It's a flawed analysis using flawed methodology of "public opinion".

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 07:26 PM (dvuhZ)

59 Catastrophic coverage is the sort of thing Noot's people were talking about 20 years ago.

Once upon a time it was being floated as the alternative to universal. I guess it is again. I seem to recall it being vaguely considered "conservative."

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 07:27 PM (Dj0WE)

60 Does this mean that Trump's advisor reads blogs?

Posted by: Decaf at August 18, 2015 07:28 PM (CsxNC)

61
Are the R's out of touch?

Holy cats, yes!!

Lindsey Graham said this yesterday in Iraq:

"If I'm President of the United States, we're going back to Iraq and we are going to pound these guys in the ground."

Never mind the homosexual innuendo, for a moment, you juvenile chimps. He wants to re-invade Iraq!! That's what this idiot is running on -- Bush's lousy policies.

Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 07:28 PM (DxVXo)

62
Does this mean that Trump's advisor reads blogs?

If they did, that'd be smart!

Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 07:29 PM (DxVXo)

63 Any half-assed political intelligence operation can go through blogs and comments to see where the the most animated voters stand on issues.

Who cares what they think? What do George Will and Charles Krauthammer think?

Posted by: GOPe at August 18, 2015 07:29 PM (W5DcG)

64 >>> Does this mean that Trump's advisor reads blogs?


no, he says he does no prep and believe me, on that, I believe him.

However, he is a yeller, and he just says things that occur to him, and then he seizes upon what works.

at least his completely random made-up agenda is succeptible to some kind of trial-and-error pathway to success.

whereas if you have set pathway to failure and can't change it -- well, you fail.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:29 PM (dciA+)

65 Walker does not inspire fear.



Like the thunder of my treads.



And the death howling from my guns.

Posted by: Mobile Armor Tank Dukakis at August 18, 2015 07:29 PM (Iey3T)

66 Ace: maybe you could market this blog as a live in depth political barometer to what the real Woman/Man on the street thinks/feels.

Better than any of those fake phoney fraud Luntz panels.

I swear that some of the candidates or a minion or two reads this blog already.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 07:29 PM (x3GpS)

67 I don't need their words


I need their results

Posted by: ThunderB at August 18, 2015 07:29 PM (zOTsN)

68 "Feel your pain." ????

Clinton quote.

FAIL

Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 07:29 PM (Lx5HV)

69 Apparently, before, they didn't know this would sell.





Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:21 PM (dciA+)



Well, I'm not sure.

I think they do know the mood of the populace. I think they'd rather pander to their big donors than the gen pop. I think Trump has forced them into commenting on things they were happy to leave be. He's pushed them into a corner and they are realizing that they may not be able to get away with just pandering to the big dogs this time. The sheep won't follow along and vote just because they say so.

Of course, I may be totally wrong, and I accept that. I'll just have another drink.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 18, 2015 07:30 PM (q20+R)

70 I dislike this whole "repeal and replace" rhetoric. What, replace a Democrat "plan" with a Republican "plan"?

How about less government planning and more free market? One thing we need is price transparency. Hospitals and clinics should advertise their prices for tests and procedures, and then people could shop around for the best price. Like they do in every other area of life.

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 07:30 PM (sdi6R)

71 You know why I'm not a wealthy Republican consultant? Because I look at this Trump phenomenon and think, "Wow, people are really into that guy. Other politicians should study his messaging and his technique to see if they can catch that lightning in a bottle."

Apparently, only a moron thinks this way. The way wealthy Republican consultants like Rick Wilson think is, "Wow, people are really into that guy. We should call them retards so they'll vote for our guys instead."
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2015 07:25 PM (c/Ipt)


If they didn't have utter contempt for us, they wouldn't think about us at all. So I guess we should be grateful.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 07:30 PM (Dj0WE)

72 48.

A lot of this is about money.

The Koch Brothers are very open borders and they drop hundreds of millions in election cycles. Most of the big funders in the GOP are open borders and free trade whereas the rank and file are adamantly against both.

The grassroots doesn't give diddly to candidates so if you go up against this machine, you'll have no money.

I think the candidates though are seeing this money is not actually winning them elections.

Posted by: Coolio at August 18, 2015 07:30 PM (B6LL7)

73 What I see good about this?



Trump is forcing the field to get their acts together, NOW, or be left out.



Make dust or eat it.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 07:30 PM (0FSuD)

74 Any of these tools that start suddenly mimicking Trump risk exposing themselves as pathetic opportunists.

Trump has cornered them now. The likely strategies or responses to him? The Walker strategy, i.e., assertive and shameless regurgitation of Trump, or doubling down on their own stances to prove how tough and uncompromising they are. Of course, some will try to fudge the difference.

Cruz can play it down the middle because he has gone on record as supporting Trump and already has positions consistent with Trump's general drift.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 18, 2015 07:30 PM (s/yC1)

75 Did these guys really need Trump to let them know the voters are pissed off at the establishment?
~~~~
Why of cour... Oh, I see what you did there. Its rhetorical.

Ok. Back to my nap.

Posted by: Socalcon at August 18, 2015 07:30 PM (lHASK)

76 Anyway, this is how they decide to be moderate squishes. It's a flawed analysis using flawed methodology of "public opinion".

Posted by: publius


Quite true, but to the illustration; no leader needs a consultant, a statistician, a handler. A leader sees the goal, the strategy, and convinced the group to follow.

The GOP beats itself with professional idiots' advice.

Posted by: theorectical LIV hobbit, wacko-bird at August 18, 2015 07:31 PM (ZCFje)

77 Bubble? Around the beltway? Nah.

Hey, did you get the invite to cigar night at Eden?

Heh.

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 18, 2015 07:31 PM (aeRWb)

78 Walker's plan to "repeal and replace" sounds fairly good, and points will no doubt be lifted by other candidates.

My question is exactly how you do anything with the Federal Government involved in health care (among other things) and simultaneously simplify the tax code.

Look for that dichotomy in the future.

Posted by: jwb7605 at August 18, 2015 07:31 PM (M+9nV)

79 >>Did these guys really need Trump to let them know the voters are pissed off at the establishment?


I totally agree.
This is why I've enjoyed Trump - I see him as a change agent, not the eventual candidate. Frankly, I was wondering when the rest of 'em were going to step up - glad it's finally happening.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 07:31 PM (NOIQH)

80 Sorry though.

Heard this before


Real action. Real results. No theater

Posted by: ThunderB at August 18, 2015 07:31 PM (zOTsN)

81 >>>Ace: maybe you could market this blog as a live in depth political barometer to what the real Woman/Man on the street thinks/feels.

i'm saying they should use bloggers for this purpose, but i'm also saying i'm not interested in doing anything of the sort. I have always been strictly, completely independent (as far as who I'm working for, etc.) and I intend to stay that way and finish that way.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:31 PM (dciA+)

82 @60 Trump may be screwing up his 'ununderstood' lead promising to run a more normal political campaign, his ONLY advantage in my mind is he's about as anti-establishment and 'normal' as anyone in the damn field.

I probably will NOT vote for him, but that's about ALL his appeal in my eyes, I suspect that many feel this way.

I tried to tell the GOP this like a year ago then again when Trump polls started shocking them... but at this point, I just don't give a shit anymore about the GOP, they have talked the talk but not walked the walk for decades now. Screw em.

BTW funny classic un-PC sluggy freelance toon in my URL link

Posted by: evil_bun_bun at August 18, 2015 07:31 PM (8qoUN)

83 The consultant and political class never leave their little fucking DC bubbles. I talked to a high school friend 2 years ago who was the chief of staff for majority whip McCarthy. When I asked him about all of the illegals he said "40% of the illegals are visa overstays". I thought that was bullshit but I said "Ok kick them out with the central and South Americans sneaking over pur southern border." They don't get it. Just enforce the damn laws that are already on the books!

Posted by: Timon at August 18, 2015 07:32 PM (ttJbF)

84 If any candidate is reading this-

Ask Jeb! why his brother never built the fence after money was appropriated in the Fence Act of 2005.

The candidate who shames the tools in the GOPe the hardest will get my vote.

Illuminating the failure theater around this Iran deal would be a great start.

Posted by: Valiant at August 18, 2015 07:32 PM (2bqlb)

85 Walker has been fighting the fight in Wisconsin, he just doesn't have Trump's "in your face" personality.

I think he's learning he has to shed the "nice guy" persona and exhibit a little of that fire that's guided him as Gov.

Posted by: WisRich at August 18, 2015 07:32 PM (xWQFH)

86 Can't know more than the consultants, we don't have a whiteboard!

Posted by: Socalcon at August 18, 2015 07:32 PM (lHASK)

87 politicians are the people that see an angry mob and maneuver their way in front of it to lead it. most are not known for their original idea, thought or deed.

they were exceptionally slow about it, but that is all we're seeing this time around.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at August 18, 2015 07:32 PM (1eYr7)

88 Lindsey Graham said this yesterday in Iraq:

"If I'm President of the United States, we're going back to Iraq and we are going to pound these guys in the ground."


Isn't he polling below Gilmore?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2015 07:32 PM (W5DcG)

89 always controls the frame

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 18, 2015 07:32 PM (dANw2)

90 >>>I think they do know the mood of the populace. I think they'd rather pander to their big donors than the gen pop.

well that's in there too, but i also sense they don't even know how to talk to voters (until they see someone else doing it successfully).

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:32 PM (dciA+)

91 Cruz did not need to be led here.

And Walker has long been my preferred candidate.

But to be fair, Walker has said that he would repeal Obamacare from the very beginning of his campaign. I don't know that he has been that critical of McConnell and them explicitly prior to this, but his message, of winning in Wisconsin and beating Democrats was always implicitly anti Establishment.

And, also to be fair, Trump has been sucking up the oxygen, so it is actually hard to know what the other candidates were saying. So if they are talking loudly now, it is not necessarily because they did not know that it was the mood of the electorate, but it is their response to being left in the dust (and silence) by Trump.

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 07:33 PM (2Ocf1)

92 because walking aroun like you shit your pants does not inspire voters

also, all GOP should be running against Boehner and McConnell as much as they're running against Hillary

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 18, 2015 07:33 PM (dANw2)

93
oops, I meant to type he said it in Iowa, not in Iraq

Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 07:33 PM (DxVXo)

94 If candidates are interested in other ideas....

No federal benefits for non-citizens. None.

http://bit.ly/1INkIKF

Also, limited time benefits for anyone who has not paid taxes recently.

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 07:33 PM (B+HTd)

95 Yeah, that's another big component of the Bubble: money. The moneyed elite have their own agenda, and are nowhere close to the public. And they fund these douches. Hell, you might say that money is what sustains the warp Bubble these guys live in.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 07:33 PM (dvuhZ)

96 Lindsey Graham said this yesterday in Iraq:

"If I'm President of the United States, we're going back to Iraq and we are going to pound these guys in the ground."

Never mind the homosexual innuendo, for a moment, you juvenile chimps. He wants to re-invade Iraq!! That's what this idiot is running on -- Bush's lousy policies.

Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 07:28 PM (DxVXo)


No freakin' way, did he really say that?


We're going back to Iraq, we're going to oil ourselves up! Take our shirts off, and really get busy on those guys.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 07:34 PM (Dj0WE)

97 >>I mean, they stink. Or they're double-agents for the DNC.


Yes.

Also, they will leverage their experience to pursue a career in the entertainment industry, such as Nicole Wallace, fiction writer and The View host (former?), and Steve Schmidt, prominent consultant for HBO's Palin-bashing "Game Change" movie.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 07:34 PM (NOIQH)

98 Instead... they.... I don't know what the fuck they do. They sit around in the same DC bars, talking to the same DC scrubs, telling each other all the same DC conventional wisdom

Political circle jerk.

Posted by: wooga at August 18, 2015 07:34 PM (YJyyQ)

99 Huh. Well, at least Walker is smart enough to realize that you don't beat Trump by calling his supporters stupid.

But jumping on the no-birthright bandwagon looks opportunistic.

Heavens, never heard of a politician being that way.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 18, 2015 07:35 PM (laMCB)

100 Koch brothers are open borders,drug legalization and pro gay marriage.Yet they are known as ultra right wing money men.

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 07:35 PM (sPO3u)

101
No freakin' way, did he really say that?

Here it is, ol' chum:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyEfhKvAQSc

Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 07:35 PM (DxVXo)

102 66 Ace: maybe you could market this blog as a live in depth political barometer to what the real Woman/Man on the street thinks/feels.
------------------------------
Anyone that has read fifty comments here would know right away that the horde is not your every day "man on the street" - unless that man was a deranged hobo with a paper bag full of spray paint & bath salts.

Posted by: Chi at August 18, 2015 07:35 PM (lboSL)

103 Koch brothers are open borders,drug legalization and pro gay marriage.Yet they are known as ultra right wing money men.

***

1. libss are dumb
2. libs are punishing them for going off reservation.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 18, 2015 07:35 PM (dANw2)

104 I reach you, baby.

Posted by: Brother Sevrin at August 18, 2015 07:36 PM (wAQA5)

105 74 Any of these tools that start suddenly mimicking Trump risk exposing themselves as pathetic opportunists.

Posted by: rrpjr

One of my favorite lines is from Milton Friedman when he said something along the lines of "it's not important for us to elect the right people, but to create an environment where the wrong people will want to do the right thing"

Trump is an opportunist that's doing the same thing, he saw a niche that no one was taking advantage of. Hell, Trump was bashing Romney after the election for being too hard on illegals.

Trump was just a schrewd man that knew the pulse of Republicans better than lifelong politicians did

Posted by: Coolio at August 18, 2015 07:36 PM (B6LL7)

106 Ace I love that you are and will stay independent but please do not finish. Love your blog

Posted by: ThunderB at August 18, 2015 07:36 PM (zOTsN)

107
Lindsey 2016
He's Gonna Give Those Guys A Pounding

Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 07:36 PM (DxVXo)

108 Chi,

Heh.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 07:36 PM (zyIlW)

109 did not read the comments so number 66 was not an echo of ace.

Why not take their money? It's all green.

just don't let them push you around. They get what they get.

Maybe do some metrics. take a couple polls. compile the data and cha ching!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 07:36 PM (x3GpS)

110 I dislike this whole "repeal and replace" rhetoric. What, replace a Democrat "plan" with a Republican "plan"?

Yes. Health insurance was already far too big government. That's why we "needed" Obamacare: because government intervention in the health care industry was already causing prices to rise drastically.

That's also why they wanted to phase Obamacare in slowly: because they knew that doubling down on the same government policies that causes rising prices to begin with, would cause them to skyrocket.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 18, 2015 07:36 PM (2lndx)

111 Hey, here's a thought : save the money by foregoing the worthless consultants, and instead invest in Election Day GOTV softwa...... Oh. MIttens tried that?

Posted by: Socalcon at August 18, 2015 07:36 PM (lHASK)

112 Does this mean that Trump's advisor reads blogs?
Posted by: Decaf at August 18, 2015 07:28 PM (CsxNC)

I think Trump decides what he likes and then hires smart people to work out the details. I trust someone who is bombastic but willing to hire and listen to talent over someone who is "Better than my speechwriter." Trump is a salesman. No one will tell him how to do that. But I think he usually knows when he needs someone to handle the details.

Posted by: WOPR at August 18, 2015 07:36 PM (nRvEn)

113 >>> Again, I have to ask: What the hell are you paying consultants for if they have absolutely no idea what the mood of the country is? And they
don't. This apparently all comes as a huge shock to the political class.

It has been said here before, but Ace, many of the cobs, heck even half of the commenters here would be better paid consultants than the current cocktail consultants infecting politics. Most of the bloggers in the conservative sphere would be better consultants.

Yet no money goes their way.

Meanwhile, NBC just invested $200 million into vox. VOX. I don't get it.

Posted by: LizLem at August 18, 2015 07:36 PM (hvf9s)

114 You are not going to get the 14th amendment repealed. I suggest an amendment that says all persons, born in the country of citizens of the country are themselves citizens.



If your parents are not citizens, you do not get to claim citizenship.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 07:37 PM (0FSuD)

115 professional idiots' advice.

Ya get what ya pay fer.

Posted by: Amateur Idiot at August 18, 2015 07:37 PM (DL2i+)

116 I totally agree.
This is why I've enjoyed Trump - I see him as a change agent, not the eventual candidate. Frankly, I was wondering when the rest of 'em were going to step up - glad it's finally happening.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 07:31 PM (NOIQH)


Notice who is not getting on board. The candidates who don't, those are the Gopes. The so-called conservative pundits of the various webzines who are spewing their angry spittle at the Trump phenomenon... those are the guys suckling on Gope.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 07:37 PM (Dj0WE)

117 I reach you, baby.
Posted by: Brother Sevrin


I am not Herbert.

Posted by: Spork at August 18, 2015 07:37 PM (W5DcG)

118 this blog as a live in depth political barometer to what the real Woman/Man on the street thinks/feels

This blog is more of a dark alley, not the street. And you don't want to know what is going on behind the dumpster.

Posted by: wooga at August 18, 2015 07:37 PM (YJyyQ)

119 I would be mollified if I only had to pay a small fine for not getting "Approved" insurance, if the Feds would let the catastrophic insurance market exist.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 07:37 PM (rwI+c)

120 trump is controlling the narrative of the campaign.....looks like someone knows how to run for office

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 18, 2015 07:38 PM (0O7c5)

121 >>>It has been said here before, but Ace, many of the cobs, heck even half of the commenters here would be better paid consultants than the current cocktail consultants infecting politics. Most of the bloggers in the conservative sphere would be better consultants.

assuming they ask the bloggers the right questions, which is not what YOU the blogger thinks (who gives a shit) but what is the mood of your commenters?

One idiot's opinion, who cares.

but a thousand idiot's opinions? Now you're talking serious intelligence.


Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:38 PM (dciA+)

122 But I would still prefer that the government mind their own fucking business and let me mind mine.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 07:38 PM (rwI+c)

123 So "ace", how much does Trump pay you to suck his dick?

Posted by: Rick Wilson at August 18, 2015 07:38 PM (2iV3X)

124 Trump, or a smart politician who will tap into the vein of disgust with the Republican party.

Their choice. The thing is though, I really like Walker, yet I believe Trump would actually follow through on his promises.

These guys have a lot of making up to do:

--get with the issues that we care about
--convince me you will be our Obama, i.e. ramming through every conservative program possible, through Congress or executive fiat.
--make a blood oath that you will be true to your word.

At least this is a start from Walker. Just, where in the hell has he been?

Posted by: Grumpyguy at August 18, 2015 07:39 PM (6OScs)

125 Koch brothers are open borders,drug legalization and pro gay marriage.Yet they are known as ultra right wing money men.

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 07:35 PM (sPO3u)



Why don't they fund Planned Infanticidehood while they're at it?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 18, 2015 07:39 PM (DiZBp)

126 Trump was just a schrewd man that knew the pulse of Republicans better than lifelong politicians did
Posted by: Coolio at August 18, 2015 07:36 PM (B6LL7)


Really? I always get the impression when he's speaking that he just spouts off whatever damn fool thing is in his head at the moment.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 18, 2015 07:39 PM (laMCB)

127 Soooooo, Trump's most profound point of the 'Adult Table' debate has a ring of truth to it: Our Politicians are STUPID!

Posted by: Socalcon at August 18, 2015 07:39 PM (lHASK)

128 I want one of the non-Trumps to come out and say if elected President he will personally ask Boehner and McConnell to step down, and that his election should be seen as a public vote of no confidence in both.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2015 07:39 PM (5LOno)

129 what i'm suggesting is not the bullshit where they flatter bloggers every four years by inviting them to lunch and pretending they're important (we're not and we know it), but instead begin paying them to do some kind of monthly analysis (with some rigorous statistical tools, provided by the person doing the hiring) of the weight of public opinion.


Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:39 PM (dciA+)

130 J'ai appris.

Posted by: Scott Walker at August 18, 2015 07:40 PM (2lndx)

131 shit you don't even need the blogger for that.

these comments are all open source, for god's sake.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:40 PM (dciA+)

132 >>Koch brothers are open borders,drug legalization and pro gay marriage.Yet they are known as ultra right wing money men.


The Left just needs a boogey man to scare up votes and donations. Haliburton, Rush Limbaugh, etc. - they just need a target enemy, doesn't have to make sense.

IIRC, the Kochs only spent about 7% of what Lefty Tom Steyer spent on the most recent election, and Steyer, an "environmentalist", lobbies for things that benefit financially (green tech, etc.). But yeah, the Kochs are pulling all the strings ahhhiiieeeaahhhhh!!!!

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 07:40 PM (NOIQH)

133
One idiot's opinion, who cares.

but a thousand idiot's opinions? Now you're talking serious intelligence.


Indeed. Which brings us to what that old fool George Will said -- there's a man like Trump in every barroom in America, screaming at the TV.

That's what they ALL think of us. But they don't realize We Are Legion.

Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 07:40 PM (DxVXo)

134 @116 I think the difference isn't who isn't GOPe but a public face of 'Hey I'm not establishment" I believe NONE of them at this point, show me actions (cruz maybe, fiorina is an outsider so maybe, walker MAYBE (or not), etc).

GOP endorsement now means nothing to me, they have lost 100% credibility, hell the DNC is almost better because I KNOW they lie and cheat and steal and say anything, the GOP was SUPPOSED to be better, they no longer are (and haven't been for decades). Pox upon them all.

Posted by: evil_bun_bun at August 18, 2015 07:40 PM (8qoUN)

135 and once again, i repeat, i have no interest in such a position and would not take such a position for any reasonable amount of money.

i want out of politics, not further in.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:40 PM (dciA+)

136 Charles Krauthammer explains (on the 6:000 Fox news show) that this is essentially a grant of catastrophic care insurance, for big, unexpected and high health costs, but leaves it to everyone to either pay for more routine costs out of pocket or with their own health plan


So, like car insurance supplemented by a personal car maintenance program (which you can actually buy). Which would be the best possible way of bringing everyone into the ranks of insured, while lowering costs.

Which is why it will never happen.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 18, 2015 07:41 PM (72D6h)

137 these comments are all open source, for god's sake.

Imagine if you word-clouded this site.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 07:41 PM (rwI+c)

138 >>> NBC just invested $200 million into vox. VOX. I don't get it.

We have pictures ;--)

Posted by: Ezra Klein at August 18, 2015 07:41 PM (2iV3X)

139 is going on behind the dumpster.

The Barrel does not have a behind.

Posted by: DaveA at August 18, 2015 07:41 PM (DL2i+)

140 121
but a thousand idiot's opinions? Now you're talking serious intelligence.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:38 PM (dciA+)



You know, that could replace the Mencken quote at the top of the main page.

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 07:41 PM (sdi6R)

141 here was my advice to Mike Flynn, who lost because of money, not message:


1. Don't be afraid to play the populism card, hard.

Posted by: ace


THIS.

The GOP* only needed one populist. The could have curbed Trump's run in 2011, But no.

(*excluding Flynn for the sake of discussion )

They know better than us. They are professionals. They live and die by polls ... except when they don't and they aren't. (Gabe on the podcast shat on which poll again? )

The most luxurious thing about this situation for conservatives is the fact that the dick-sip Establishment knows they are being ignored. Hence the death-rattle.

Posted by: theorectical LIV hobbit, wacko-bird at August 18, 2015 07:41 PM (ZCFje)

142 @114

Of course the supreme court could over turn the 1989 decision that affirmed birth citizenship to children of non citizens, since they were not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the state.



All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the
jurisdiction thereof
, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 07:41 PM (0FSuD)

143 i'm saying they should use bloggers for this purpose, but i'm also saying i'm not interested in doing anything of the sort. I have always been strictly, completely independent (as far as who I'm working for, etc.) and I intend to stay that way and finish that way. Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:31 PM (dciA+)

Good for you Ace.

Posted by: LizLem at August 18, 2015 07:41 PM (hvf9s)

144 So some of the porch dogs are following Trump's lead and are venturing down the steps.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 18, 2015 07:41 PM (JO9+V)

145 Mark Steyn made another good point about the bubble. Our establishment guys think they need to be moderate because that's where the consultants tell they should be. How do they decide the country is "moderate".

Well, these consultants look at various issue polls and assign the results only some simple left-right axis. The public is to the left on this issue, to the right on this.

In truth, a simple 1D axis won't do for this, you need a few more. Second, the public does not hold a rational opinion on anything (actually, see Arrow's Impossibility Theorem, it is *mathematically impossible* for a collective, given more than two choices, to be guaranteed to be reasonable, even if every single voter in that collective is rational).

On some issues, the "the public" is hard left. On some it is hard right. When you average these together, you get "moderate". But the public isn't truly moderate squish on everything, a lot of things. They are bi-polar extremists many times.

Anyway, this is how they decide to be moderate squishes. It's a flawed analysis using flawed methodology of "public opinion".


Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 07:26 PM (dvuhZ)



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This!!!!

What is the Moderate Position on
Abortion?
Guns?
Immigration?

A moderate position on these three probably is held by 5-10% of the people. 40% hate you for being too "right" and 40% for being too "left"

Can you win with 10% support?
That is what JeB!!! has, 20% of Republicans is 10% of the nation.

Posted by: rd at August 18, 2015 07:41 PM (a/sAS)

146 Our Politicians are STUPID!
***
In 2006 the biggest political issue was amnesty.

In 2008 Republican voters supported John McCain - the most notable Republican amnesty proponent

In 2010 the biggest political issue was Obamacare.

In 2012 Republican voters supported Mitt Romney - the architect of V1 of Obamacare.

The GOPe isn't stupid, they are just banking that the Republican electorate will continue to be.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2015 07:42 PM (5LOno)

147 114 You are not going to get the 14th amendment repealed. I suggest an amendment that says all persons, born in the country of citizens of the country are themselves citizens.



If your parents are not citizens, you do not get to claim citizenship.


Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 07:37 PM (0FSuD)


You don't need an amendment. The kids are profiting from illegal acts.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 18, 2015 07:42 PM (7eQGn)

148 @133 - there's one screaming, another dozen who don't want to be publicly seen to be agreeing, another half-dozen who can be made to think about it, and everyone else.

Posted by: JEM at August 18, 2015 07:42 PM (o+SC1)

149 22 This is all just show. I'm not buying that he really feels this way. Just theater to say what they think folks want to hear.
Posted by: CDR M at August 18, 2015 07:19 PM (TWXpK)

I'm inclined to give Walker the benefit of the doubt. He's taken on big bold issues here.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 07:42 PM (fgSDS)

150 Indeed. Which brings us to what that old fool George Will said -- there's a man like Trump in every barroom in America, screaming at the TV.

When has George ever been in a bar?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2015 07:42 PM (W5DcG)

151 122 But I would still prefer that the government mind their own fucking business and let me mind mine.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 07:38 PM
~~~~~
{looking forward to reading Grump928s business plan for that fucking business}

Posted by: Socalcon at August 18, 2015 07:42 PM (lHASK)

152
Scott "Zeppo" Walker.

He's the GOPe "Hill to Die On" fallback plan if !Jeb! and Kasich can't close the deal.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 07:42 PM (kdS6q)

153 >>>123 So "ace", how much does Trump pay you to suck his dick?
Posted by: Rick Wilson at August 18, 2015 07:38 PM (2iV3X)

rick's a friend of mine and I'll appreciate it if you don't sockpuppet him. We have a rule against sockpuppeting people who could show up here.

I also think you should stop the general practice of being an asshole towards anyone who dares to hold a position contrary to your own.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:42 PM (dciA+)

154 i want out of politics, not further in.



Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:40 PM (dciA+)


There's a spot for you (and every other moron and moronette) in Sharkman's Zombie Apocalypse/Civil Meltdown/SMOD Redoubt, Distillery, Whorehouse and Armory (land purchase pending), out in Washington state.

Well, if The Empress lets you in, that is.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 18, 2015 07:42 PM (72D6h)

155 76: On conclusion from Arrow is "only a dictator can be rational".

That fact about collectives is why ships need a captain and wars need to be run by one commander in chief.

Statists take it to get a hard-on for totalitarian dictatorship, but the correct conclusion is keep the collective decision making to a minimum, ie small govt, as small as possible. Let individuals be individuals and go their own way as much as possible.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 07:42 PM (dvuhZ)

156 Here it is, ol' chum:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyEfhKvAQSc
Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 07:35 PM (DxVXo)


Good lord. I'm paraphrasing here: "Is it gonna be hard? You betcha." "Obama didn't let us finish."

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 07:42 PM (Dj0WE)

157 but that last part's just advice.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:42 PM (dciA+)

158 Indeed. Which brings us to what that old fool George Will said -- there's a man like Trump in every barroom in America, screaming at the TV.

That's what they ALL think of us. But they don't realize We Are Legion.

Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 07:40 PM (DxVXo)


More importantly, they have forgotten that we are SUPPOSED to be the Boss...

And somehow, through slight of hand, have convinced most voters they have no power...

Its like here in California, where they use the Legislature and the Courts to consistently over ride the will of the electorate... yet somehow keep getting voted IN... because people are TOLD they have no alternative...

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 18, 2015 07:43 PM (qh617)

159 Scott Walker has just declared war on women. That's it. I'm throwing my hat into the ring!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at August 18, 2015 07:43 PM (DGrkU)

160 >>> Imagine if you word-clouded this site.

60 proof, minimum

Posted by: fluffy at August 18, 2015 07:43 PM (2iV3X)

161 I really wish you could have seen the Charlie Rose interview with various pundits talking about the debates. Ed Rollins was part of the group. It took over 20 minutes before they even mentioned that Ted Cruz was there. That was from the reporter from the Wall Street Journal, answering a question about which candidate had a lock on the evangelical vote!
None of them seemed to have any idea how angry the base is about the last election . It's like the George Will article saying they should purge any Trump supporters. Does the Republican party really have that many voters, that they can afford to just throw them away?

Posted by: notsothoreau at August 18, 2015 07:43 PM (5HBd1)

162
The problem is the consultants come from the firm of Established Establishment for the Betterment of Established Establishment Republicans.*


*A subdivision of Democrat Lites for Amnesty.




Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 18, 2015 07:44 PM (ODxAs)

163 I don't know if President Trump would improve America, but candidate Trump has sure has hell improved the election field. The problem is they'll just go back to business as usual once Trump is gone.

Posted by: DFCtomm at August 18, 2015 07:44 PM (E1I4r)

164 Those on the right who have dumped on not only Trump supporters ,but anyone who dares to try and defend Trump supporters are going to regret it.

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 07:44 PM (sPO3u)

165 Hey guys! I can Trump too!
Here I am Trumping!
Trumpy Trumpy Trumpy!
We will We will Trump you!
We will We will Trump you!

Sing it!

Posted by: Scott 'Trump' Walker at August 18, 2015 07:44 PM (Lx5HV)

166 The Left just needs a boogey man to scare up votes and donations. Haliburton, Rush Limbaugh, etc. - they just need a target enemy, doesn't have to make sense.

IIRC, the Kochs only spent about 7% of what Lefty Tom Steyer spent on the most recent election, and Steyer, an "environmentalist", lobbies for things that benefit financially (green tech, etc.). But yeah, the Kochs are pulling all the strings ahhhiiieeeaahhhhh!!!!
Posted by: Lizzy



The Kochs spend hundreds of millions in the political arena, you can't deny that. And early money is where the effect becomes greatly magnified. They get to pick the primary winners

The Kochs are a boogieman on the Left, but that doesn't mean that we should reflexively back them

Any progress towards free market policies are completely stripped away if you have an Amnesty

Posted by: Coolio at August 18, 2015 07:44 PM (B6LL7)

167 I don't think hires political consultants.

He hires market researchers and good pollsters and maybe a couple of federal policy wonks.

Add in some people to glean the blogs for a sense of what topics are hot. Note the things the majority of people are really concerned about and note also the things that are creating the problems for the economy.

Do some panel testing to see what strikes a sample groups fancy and the wording/delivery and whamo.

That's what political consultants USED to do for their candidates. Now they do something else and they are heavily influenced by DC and big money from the PAC's and not the electorate.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 07:44 PM (x3GpS)

168 I thought, Trump's the placeholder until the newest 'The Rents Too Damn High' Candidate comes along.

Posted by: Socalcon at August 18, 2015 07:45 PM (lHASK)

169
"In every town large enough to have two traffic lights there is a bar at the back of which sits the local Donald Trump, nursing his fifth beer and innumerable delusions. "

-- George Will

This is kinda shit that pushes me further away from the GOP.

Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 07:45 PM (DxVXo)

170 So some of the porch dogs are following Trump's lead and are venturing down the steps.

Which is exactly what the GOPe was afraid of.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 07:45 PM (oVJmc)

171 You don't need an amendment. The kids are profiting from illegal acts.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 18, 2015 07:42 PM (7eQGn)

How so being born? Their profit from the illegal acts of their parents have no bearing on their citizenship.

It should, it doesn't.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 07:45 PM (0FSuD)

172 >>> Those on the right who have dumped on not only Trump supporters ,but anyone who dares to try and defend Trump supporters are going to regret it.

great more angry threats

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:45 PM (dciA+)

173 Posted by: Rick Wilson at August 18, 2015 07:38 PM (2iV3X)

Fluffy opens mouth, inserts Banhammer.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 18, 2015 07:45 PM (72D6h)

174

i want out of politics, not further in.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:40 PM (dciA+)

So, more music threads?.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 07:46 PM (fgSDS)

175 172 Not angry(no skin in the game personally) and not a threat.Just an observation.

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 07:46 PM (sPO3u)

176 @145 - a moderate position on abortion is 'before it looks like a baby', which is somewhere around first trimester.

A moderate position on immigration is 'enforce the current laws and don't expand anything until it's under control'.

A moderate position on guns is 'enforce the current laws'.

Note that the above 'moderate' positions don't always agree with what I'd consider personally ideal, but I believe they represent what can be 'sold' to the public at large.

Politics is the art of the possible.

Posted by: JEM at August 18, 2015 07:46 PM (o+SC1)

177 I swear that some of the candidates or a minion or two reads this blog already.


Nope. Reading blogs is toady-level work.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 18, 2015 07:46 PM (8ZskC)

178 okay steevy, fine, but some are taking this Glorious Righteous Anger thing a few steps too far for my liking.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:47 PM (dciA+)

179 They have opened up a nasty rift and it was unnecessary.

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 07:47 PM (sPO3u)

180 No candidate is going to pull all government funding
out of healthcare, and the same people screaming about Republicans
having any sort of replacement policy for ObamaCare are probably the
same group that thinks Trump is A-Ok supporting socialized medicine like
they have in the UK and bringing that here.





Posted by: Coolio at August 18, 2015 07:19 PM (B6LL7)


Why is it we never see you and trumpetdaddy in the same room?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2015 07:47 PM (yQtWA)

181 great more angry threats

I think it's more of an angry prediction.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 07:47 PM (rwI+c)

182
Well, if looking at what works for some other candidate and saying "yeah dude, you should do that too", then I want a high priced political consultant job. Easy peasy.



Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 18, 2015 07:47 PM (ODxAs)

183
Yeah, how do you read that as a threat??

Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 07:47 PM (DxVXo)

184 I am really tired, from all sides, of the invective


I will insult you, call you names, denigrate your ideas and intelligence. Now agree with me.

It's not persuasive no matter who does it. Even if I agree with you. I hate the Paulbots for it, the one issue pro pot libertarians for it, the trumpbots calling people c***servatives, the Bush Derangement screamers.

It's a temper tantrum.

Posted by: ThunderB at August 18, 2015 07:47 PM (zOTsN)

185 >>> I also think you should stop the general practice of being an asshole towards anyone who dares to hold a position contrary to your own.

I'll respect your rule.

As far as being an asshole, I was riffing on what your friend said about Ann Coulter on Twitter.

Ace, your friend is an asshole.

Posted by: fluffy at August 18, 2015 07:48 PM (2iV3X)

186 Politics is the art of the possible.

Winning is making your politics possible.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 07:48 PM (rwI+c)

187 In 2006 the biggest political issue was amnesty.

In 2008 Republican voters supported John McCain


Like we're systematically being deprived of alternate choices.

Also still waiting for JM's most important implied campaign promise - dying in office.

Posted by: DaveA at August 18, 2015 07:48 PM (DL2i+)

188 "In every town large enough to have two traffic lights there is a bar at the back of which sits the local Donald Trump, nursing his fifth beer and innumerable delusions. "

-- George Will

This is kinda shit that pushes me further away from the GOP.
Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 07:45 PM (DxVXo)

Me, too. I have never thought highly of Donald Trump, but I have grown to admire his political acumen. He is controlling the narrative, leading in the polls, and calling out the GOPe. With his own money. Very impressive by any rational standard.

Posted by: USA at August 18, 2015 07:48 PM (tfM+W)

189
What anger??
You guys read way too much into the little black letters you see on the screen.

Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 07:48 PM (DxVXo)

190 It is like the Palin wars but even worse.

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 07:49 PM (sPO3u)

191 Hey Anne how much does Trump pay you for.anal?

Posted by: 'Dick' Wilson at August 18, 2015 07:49 PM (Lx5HV)

192 169
"In every town large enough to have two traffic lights there is a bar at the back of which sits the local Donald Trump, nursing his fifth beer and innumerable delusions. "

-- George Will

This is kinda shit that pushes me further away from the GOP.

Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 07:45 PM (DxVXo)


The American Revolution was birthed in such bars by men drinking stronger libations than beer.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 18, 2015 07:49 PM (7eQGn)

193 172
>>> Those on the right who have dumped on not only Trump
supporters ,but anyone who dares to try and defend Trump supporters are
going to regret it.



great more angry threats

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:45 PM (dciA+)

Stop picking on Trump or I am going to hold my breath till I die.

Posted by: P 11 at August 18, 2015 07:49 PM (0FSuD)

194 It's a temper tantrum.

Posted by: ThunderB


Indeed.

Posted by: Prince-Elector of the Holy Roman Empire, Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg at August 18, 2015 07:50 PM (ZCFje)

195 George Will can kiss my ass

He's probably never been to a town with 2 stop lights.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 07:50 PM (fgSDS)

196 On occasion we are all assholes. But it shouldn't be a habit

Posted by: ThunderB at August 18, 2015 07:50 PM (zOTsN)

197
Yeah, and fluffy was only screwing around and it was overt the top it was obvious.

Chill out, broseph.

Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 07:50 PM (DxVXo)

198 Note that the above 'moderate' positions don't always agree with what I'd consider personally ideal, but I believe they represent what can be 'sold' to the public at large.

Politics is the art of the possible.



Politics is the art of the possible, where moderate is the art of surrendering to the irrational.

You'll note that it is not the moderate who is running the country, or stays the course in the face of opposition, or wins the war.

Moderate is John McCain. Moderate is Mitt Romney. Real great performance there, "moderation".

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 18, 2015 07:50 PM (0NdlF)

199 142 @114

Of course the supreme court could over turn the 1989 decision that affirmed birth citizenship to children of non citizens, since they were not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the state.



All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the
jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside


Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 07:41 PM (0FSuD)


Easier method... get Congress to pass, and President to sign, a Bill saying it is the sense of the Congress and the Administration that 'under the Jurisdiction thereof' does not include illegals... and that is THEIR interpretation of the Constitution.

There is nothing in the Constitution which says the Judiciary gets to over ride the other TWO branches of Government on interpreting the Constitution....

ie, set up a DIRECT confrontation with the Supremes on just what limits their self imposed authority (Marbury?) has.... and is there ANY check and balance upon it...

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 18, 2015 07:50 PM (qh617)

200 >>> Imagine if you word-clouded this site.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 07:41 PM (rwI+c)

"Okay we searched his entire blog...looks like we need to go after the Valu-Rite and Lace Wigs contingents!"

Posted by: Minions attempting to crowd data the Horde at August 18, 2015 07:51 PM (hvf9s)

201 157 but that last part's just advice.
Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:42 PM (dciA+)


If this is the same Rick Wilson and you know him and like him, Rick Wilson might be needing some advice from a friend himself.

I really never heard of him, but what he tweeted to Ann Coulter does "establishment" type reputations nothing but harm. The guy immediately went into my "ignore this twit" category.
This is the Breitbart article:
http://tinyurl.com/on7keoy

Posted by: jwb7605 at August 18, 2015 07:51 PM (M+9nV)

202 >>>Hey Anne how much does Trump pay you for.anal?
Posted by: 'Dick' Wilson a

...

after she jumped on him for being upset that someone had made a rape threat against his daughter....?

I'll allow it.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:51 PM (dciA+)

203 C'mon you little yip-yap pussies! Get off the porch and run the yard with me!! Let's make stuff happen!!!

Posted by: Trump Dog at August 18, 2015 07:51 PM (JO9+V)

204 Trump kicking some Hill rump.

http://tinyurl.com/pcprbhs

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 18, 2015 07:51 PM (LImiJ)

205 Ann Coulter doesn't give a fuck.She's a Honey Badger.

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 07:52 PM (sPO3u)

206 One of my favorite lines is from Milton Friedman when he said something along the lines of "it's not important for us to elect the right people, but to create an environment where the wrong people will want to do the right thing"

Posted by: Coolio at August 18, 2015 07:36 PM (B6LL7)

Yes, it's a wise and realistic remark. I appreciate the reminder. I think however it may not be wholly fair to peg Trump as an opportunist, or purely as one. It does take a certain quality of leadership to risk pointing out what others fear to point out.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 18, 2015 07:52 PM (s/yC1)

207 Oh and for the record, the Dems aren't happy either. Same rush to coronate Hillary. I even read someone say that Hillary proved what a talented politician she was back in 2008!

I can't find the link but there's an article on The Atlantic about Trump supporters that was interesting. Several of the folks they talked to admitted to voting for Obama.

Posted by: notsothoreau at August 18, 2015 07:52 PM (5HBd1)

208 "In every town large enough to have two traffic lights there is a bar at the back of which sits the local Donald Trump, nursing his fifth beer and innumerable delusions. "

-- George Will

And they deserve representation too.

Posted by: navybrat at August 18, 2015 07:52 PM (JgC5a)

209 Posted by: Prince-Elector of the Holy Roman Empire, Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg


Nice.

I self-identify as a Marcher Lord.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 18, 2015 07:52 PM (8ZskC)

210 >>>I really never heard of him, but what he tweeted to Ann Coulter does "establishment" type reputations nothing but harm. The guy immediately went into my "ignore this twit" category.
This is the Breitbart article:

...

yeahhhhh that's because some unhinged trump supporter sent a rape threat to him re: his daughter, along with pics from her FaceBook page, and said he'd read about him on breitbart, and then Ann Coulter called him a "girly man" for making such a fuss.

So while I'm not super-anti-coulter, i"m gonna say the Outraged White Knighting on her behalf is unwarranted.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:53 PM (dciA+)

211 Awful. This is like repealing and replacing Obama's executive orders on amnesty with another amnesty and he wonders why his poll numbers stink.

Posted by: Jergens_Lotion at August 18, 2015 07:53 PM (z8IzG)

212 The politicians have lost their fear of the citizens. It's needful that they get it back.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 07:53 PM (rwI+c)

213 A lot of people miss that some of the nastiest " pro Trump" people on Twitter and blogs are undoubtedly Moby's.

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 07:53 PM (sPO3u)

214 In every town large enough to have two traffic lights there is a bar at the back

In every bar that has a back there's a snot stain on the floor from the last bow-tied pencil-neck that mistakenly walked in.

Posted by: DaveA at August 18, 2015 07:53 PM (DL2i+)

215
"In every town large enough to have two traffic lights there is a
bar at the back of which sits the local Donald Trump, nursing his fifth
beer and innumerable delusions. "



-- George Will


In every college faculty lounge, there sits a George Will, a man who never ran anything but know how everyone else needs to do it.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 07:54 PM (oVJmc)

216 Good news, now 57% finished with the edit.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 18, 2015 07:54 PM (Cu/Pk)

217 >>> "In every town large enough to have two traffic lights there is a bar at the back of which sits the local Donald Trump, nursing his fifth beer and innumerable delusions. " -- George Will

That reveals waaaay more about George Will than it ever will about The Don.

Posted by: LizLem at August 18, 2015 07:54 PM (hvf9s)

218 @199

A good point and this, the last line of the 14th amendment supports your idea.




Section 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 07:54 PM (0FSuD)

219 After Dave Brat beat Eric Can'tor, they shoulda known. Dave Brat won because of his anti-amnesty position. He won because he was a Chamber of Commerce bought Establishment lap-dog These consultants shouldn't have needed Trump to tell them this. Brat already did.

Ace said yesterday that Trump's plan will let us "know" instead of "guess" how people feel about amnesty/immigration, but we already did know, thanks to Brat.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 18, 2015 07:54 PM (xetep)

220 Coulter throws bombs and she can take the return fire.

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 07:54 PM (sPO3u)

221 "163 I don't know if President Trump would improve America, but candidate Trump has sure has hell improved the election field. The problem is they'll just go back to business as usual once Trump is gone.
Posted by: DFCtomm at August 18, 2015 07:44 PM "

And this is the problem. 16 of the candidates were running a white bread campaign. as if nothing is wrong with the country after 8 years of Obama's Marxism.

The damn country is on fire and only Trump showed up with a fire hose.

Walker was my first choice, but then he failed to address the issues, nonetheless address them with passion.

The winner will adopt our issues and convince us that he will actually implement them.

Posted by: Grumpyguy at August 18, 2015 07:55 PM (6OScs)

222
Every R candidate should have a flat tax policy right f'ng now and this line ready for when someone complains about losing their mortgage deduction: "Do you want to pay more taxes with a mortgage deduction or less taxes with a flat tax?"

Posted by: Guy Mohawk giving political consulting advice for free. at August 18, 2015 07:55 PM (ODxAs)

223 Pithy, aren't I?

I'm a goddamn fountain of pith.

Posted by: George Will at August 18, 2015 07:55 PM (8ZskC)

224 Will said a few Sundays ago, "This coarse and vulgar man", then wrote that he was "unprecedentedly and incorrigibly vulgar". I said vulgar things at the TV in response.

Now, the men who built this country, who conquered it, were, well, they make Trump look like George Will. And second in modern times, well, I believe LBJ was perhaps the most vulgar man to hold the WH. Ike himself was known for a pretty bad potty mouth, too. But LBJ took the cake.

He could out cuss Trump in his sleep.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 07:55 PM (dvuhZ)

225
When has George ever been in a bar?
..........................
I saw him on Bow Tie night talking to Pee Wee Herman.

Posted by: Brother Sevrin at August 18, 2015 07:55 PM (wAQA5)

226 Easier method... get Congress to pass, and President to sign, a Bill saying it is the sense of the Congress and the Administration that 'under the Jurisdiction thereof' does not include illegals... and that is THEIR interpretation of the Constitution.

There is nothing in the Constitution which says the Judiciary gets to over ride the other TWO branches of Government on interpreting the Constitution....

ie, set up a DIRECT confrontation with the Supremes on just what limits their self imposed authority (Marbury?) has.... and is there ANY check and balance upon it...
Posted by: BB Wolf

I tend to think the better method is to simply ignore the Supreme Court

If you go after illegal aliens hard enough with the existing laws on the book, we'll have the problem under control

If someone wants to claim birthright citizenship, make them show all of their tax records and then charge them. Word will get out

Just getting the IRS and some sort of E-Verify to go after employers will push them back home overnight. Take away the magnet

Posted by: Coolio at August 18, 2015 07:55 PM (B6LL7)

227 "Perhaps you've been a bit too successful in insulating yourself from your constituents, huh?"

Au contraire, mon frere! You peasants still exist and *AND* persist in claiming that you have opinions about things. You miserable insects aren't sophisticated enough to form, let alone have, opinions. I'm afraid we're going to have get a bit more stern, now. Good news, though - all of you have a future in bio-fuels!

Posted by: The GOP Elite at August 18, 2015 07:56 PM (amQXf)

228 188
Me, too. I have never thought highly of Donald Trump, but I have grown to admire his political acumen. He is controlling the narrative, leading in the polls, and calling out the GOPe. With his own money. Very impressive by any rational standard.

Posted by: USA at August 18, 2015 07:48 PM (tfM+W)



And giving kids helicopter rides at the fair was a stroke of genius. That's taking the old "kissing babies" cliche and kicking it up a notch.

Echoing many other commenters here, I don't consider myself a Trump supporter, but I like what I've seen so far. Walker has been my favorite based on his track record in Wisconsin. I like Paul's libertarian tendencies. He's the only one I think would seriously attempt to reduce the size of government. Cruz and Fiorina say all the right things, but I don't quite trust them to follow through. I could vote for any of them, though.

But if Jeb is the nominee and Trump runs as an independent, I will vote for Trump without hesitation.

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 07:56 PM (sdi6R)

229 Hmmm. Which would be easier?

Getting rid of all the Trump supporters?

Or giving George Will that Commissioner of Major League Baseball that he's been whining about wanting for years and getting his fuddy duddy ass off the TV?

Easy call I say.


Yeeeeeerrrrrrrr OUT!

Hit the showers George. You stink.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 07:56 PM (x3GpS)

230
That was just in case candidates take Ace's recommendation.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk giving political consulting advice for free. at August 18, 2015 07:56 PM (ODxAs)

231 To be fair, if someone threatened either of my daughters with rape, I'd lose my shit too.


Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 07:56 PM (zyIlW)

232 If Trump can put even a slight dent in mealy mouth politician pussy talk,he has done us a huge service.You can't be afraid to speak the truth because it might offend someone.

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 07:56 PM (sPO3u)

233 Rape threats/jokes about your kids should be off limits. Always. No exceptions.

Posted by: USA at August 18, 2015 07:56 PM (tfM+W)

234 I AM TRUMPING AS FAST AS I CAN

TRUMP
TRUMP
TRUMP

Posted by: Scott 'Trump' Walker at August 18, 2015 07:56 PM (Lx5HV)

235 "In every town large enough to have two traffic lights there is a bar at the back of which sits the local Donald Trump, nursing his fifth beer and innumerable delusions. "

-- George Will

Wow... who knew the Multi Billionaires hang out in small town local bars...

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 18, 2015 07:57 PM (qh617)

236 >>>As far as being an asshole, I was riffing on what your friend said about Ann Coulter on Twitter.

Ace, your friend is an asshole.

...

well, when someone makes a rape threat against someone's daughter, you probably shouldn't call him a "girly man" for making such a fuss.

you should probably give that man a little space for his legitimate anger.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:57 PM (dciA+)

237 217 >>> "In every town large enough to have two traffic lights there is a bar at the back of which sits the local Donald Trump, nursing his fifth beer and innumerable delusions. " -- George Will

That reveals waaaay more about George Will than it ever will about The Don.


And the bastard's wearing jeans too, George. Denim on his legs, instead of a good pair of slacks.

Makes your blue blood boil, doesn't it?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 18, 2015 07:57 PM (j2FM9)

238 225

When has George ever been in a bar?


That wasn't ghey.



FIFY

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 07:57 PM (0FSuD)

239 If someone threatened my daughter with rape you would be hearing about it in the papers


And I would think less of any parent who didn't lose their shit over that

Posted by: ThunderB at August 18, 2015 07:57 PM (zOTsN)

240 If this is the same Rick Wilson and you know him and like him, Rick Wilson might be needing some advice from a friend himself.

I really never heard of him, but what he tweeted to Ann Coulter does "establishment" type reputations nothing but harm. The guy immediately went into my "ignore this twit" category.
This is the Breitbart article:
http://tinyurl.com/on7keoy
Posted by: jwb7605 at August 18, 2015 07:51 PM (M+9nV)


For all the convoluted theories out there regarding Trump supposedly doing Hillery's bidding, trying to ruin the chances of ANY Republican candidate, I think a much stronger case can be made that Rick Wilson is working on Hillery's behalf to sabotage the election for his alleged BFF, Jeb!

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 07:58 PM (Dj0WE)

241 Threaten my daughters with rape, I'll show you how "girly" I can get.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 07:58 PM (zyIlW)

242 169
"In every town large enough to have two traffic lights there is a bar at the back of which sits the local Donald Trump, nursing his fifth beer and innumerable delusions. "

-- George Will

This is kinda shit that pushes me further away from the GOP.

Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 07:45 PM (DxVXo)


Even worse is that the local Donald Trumps are wearing jeans.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 07:58 PM (oFCZn)

243 well, when someone makes a rape threat against someone's daughter, you probably shouldn't call him a "girly man" for making such a fuss.

you should probably give that man a little space for his legitimate anger.



Was it a real someone? Or a vapor someone on the internet? Because the latter are numerous and unavoidable. If you choose the web as the battleground you have to expect this and worse.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 07:59 PM (rwI+c)

244 In every college faculty lounge, there sits a George
Will, a man who never ran anything but know how everyone else needs to
do it.




Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 07:54 PM (oVJmc)


*snort and wiping monitor*
Perfect!

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 18, 2015 07:59 PM (JO9+V)

245 My Trumps My Trumps My lovely lady lumps

Posted by: Scott 'Trump' Walker at August 18, 2015 07:59 PM (Lx5HV)

246 Hot damn, so to speak, looks like Vic and I might still get laid someday.




http://tinyurl.com/ovc84ke

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:00 PM (0FSuD)

247 245,

LOL!

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 08:00 PM (zyIlW)

248 1. We have to show compassion.

2. We have to show we can manage the overbearing ubiquitous government the democrats created better than they can.

3. We have to protect our phoney-baloney jobs!

Posted by: GOP Consultant Class at August 18, 2015 08:00 PM (KH8nb)

249
I need to see this rape threat for myself. I no longer take other people's interpretations at face value.

Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 08:00 PM (DxVXo)

250 >>>Was it a real someone? Or a vapor someone on the internet? Because the latter are numerous and unavoidable. If you choose the web as the battleground you have to expect this and worse.


amazing watching people instantly take completely 180-opposite opinions on a thing just because it concerns an "enemy"

so sad, so pathetic, so common.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:00 PM (dciA+)

251 216 Good news, now 57% finished with the edit.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 18, 2015

Impactful.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 08:00 PM (fgSDS)

252 "In every town large enough to have two traffic lights there is a bar at the back of which sits the local Donald Trump, nursing his fifth beer and innumerable delusions. " -- George Will

At two o'clock in the morning in a bar in Pittsburgh in a place you're never going to be again, a guy puts his arm around your shoulders and tells you the truth."--Warren Lewis

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 18, 2015 08:00 PM (2lndx)

253 248 Harumph!

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 08:00 PM (sPO3u)

254 Don't be baffled. The GOPe knew folks were pissed, they just thought they had reached the point they could say FU to the base.

Posted by: dogfish at August 18, 2015 08:00 PM (zFLZx)

255 What I see from all parties, on all sides, of any political stripe, is people losing their shit over losing the narrative, losing control


That is fair game. But enough invective. Again. Not persuasive.

Posted by: ThunderB at August 18, 2015 08:01 PM (zOTsN)

256 What can they possibly do with all of one third of the Government? The third that spends all money an makes all laws.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:01 PM (kvWer)

257 Trump should release a line of jeans called Wills.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 08:01 PM (oFCZn)

258 Ace, be accurate. He used a threat against his child to score political points. That's despicable, you need a better class of friend.

Posted by: Truth hurts at August 18, 2015 08:01 PM (8zvUY)

259 >>> you should probably give that man a little space for his legitimate anger.

Good point.

I suppose his Twitter interface has 'delete' and 'send' like everyone else's.

Posted by: fluffy at August 18, 2015 08:01 PM (2iV3X)

260 For all the convoluted theories out there regarding Trump supposedly doing Hillery's bidding, trying to ruin the chances of ANY Republican candidate, I think a much stronger case can be made that Rick Wilson is working on Hillery's behalf to sabotage the election for his alleged BFF, Jeb!

Posted by: BurtTC



I find it plausible but fanciful to believe that Trump's a Clintoon plant.

But I find it inescapable that consultants like Wilson aren't cunts of the lowest order. He would suck Hillary's dick if she wins.

Posted by: Prince-Elector of the Holy Roman Empire, Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg at August 18, 2015 08:02 PM (ZCFje)

261 249
I need to see this rape threat for myself. I no longer take other people's interpretations at face value.

Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 08:00 PM (DxVXo)


And if that did occur, it wasn't Coulter who made the threat.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 08:02 PM (oFCZn)

262
I'm not taking anyone's word for it that it was a rape threat. Sorry. Want to see it for my self.

Posted by: Soothie at August 18, 2015 08:02 PM (DxVXo)

263 btw,

i think it's pathetic how many people just want to yell about ann coulter, rick wilson, and the various other soap-opera personalities they can interest themselves in as a dramatic thing.

so keep yelling about your Soap Opera stars, and who the bad guys are, and who the good guys are.

God Forbid we should have discussion that isn't centered on personalities and heroes and villains.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:02 PM (dciA+)

264 Oh and if you haven't already read it, I'd recommend reading the Wikipedia entry for Fred Trump. It's impressive (and Grandpa ran a salon/boarding house during the Gold Rush). I have not paid any attention to Trump prior to this run, but reading about his dad made me reconsider the Trump as a buffoon meme.

This non-politician works with Jeff Sessions to craft his policy on immigration. Will be interesting to see where those other policy papers come from.

Posted by: notsothoreau at August 18, 2015 08:02 PM (5HBd1)

265 well, when someone makes a rape threat against someone's daughter, you probably shouldn't call him a "girly man" for making such a fuss.

you should probably give that man a little space for his legitimate anger.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:57 PM (dciA+)

Oh please, why do some people always defend this guy?

He called someone he disagrees with a prostitute.

Fine, whatever. He was pissed. Not classy, but we all say things we regret sometimes.

Still, it's not really a defensible thing to say, is it?

I mean if my buddy called some girl who rejected him at the bar a slut, and she slapped him, I'd say "well, yeah, dude, what did you expect? That's a pretty disrespectful thing to say."

And that's in a social setting. For a professional political consultant, twitter is what most of us would call a "professional setting"

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 18, 2015 08:02 PM (AkOaV)

266 Bush's amnesty plan is why I left the Republican party.

Posted by: Bosk at August 18, 2015 08:02 PM (n2K+4)

267 If you go after illegal aliens hard enough with the existing laws on the book, we'll have the problem under control

If someone wants to claim birthright citizenship, make them show all of their tax records and then charge them. Word will get out

Just getting the IRS and some sort of E-Verify to go after employers will push them back home overnight. Take away the magnet

Posted by: Coolio at August 18, 2015 07:55 PM (B6LL7)

My plan for halting illegal immigration is not even FEDERAL... but could be done by the States.

Every illegal here is using fake ID, or out of State Documents.

Simply go after them for Identity fraud...

Give them court dates once detected, for 6 months later... but tell them they will NOT be pursued over international boundaries...

If they are here legally? They show up with their Documentation.... if not? I'd wager the majority would self deport, rather than face YEARS in prison...

Note, this could ALL be done under STATE Law.... no Federal involvement at all... and it really has nothing to do with immigration... thus the Feds can't over ride the State's authority to do this.

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 18, 2015 08:02 PM (qh617)

268 It's not ok to make those sorts of threats to Palins daughter.

Or Rick Wilsons.

I don't care what the politics of the person issuing the threat

Posted by: ThunderB at August 18, 2015 08:03 PM (zOTsN)

269 I'm agitating for Walker whatever tis proposed plan is or isn't. Doesn't really matter to me.

What matters is that we put up a candidate capable of crushing either Hillary or whatever socialist hobgoblin that wins the nomination in her stead.

Walker is that person. Why? Because he lacks the baggage and downsides accompanying just about every other candidate.

I call him the Goldilocks Conservative -- not too Bush, not too Cruz -- just right.

Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2015 08:03 PM (jBuUi)

270 Julie Burkowski is bleeding from the eyes or somewhere. DIAGDF fuckhole.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:03 PM (kvWer)

271 Projection, it ain't just a word in the dictionary.

Posted by: teej at August 18, 2015 08:03 PM (IG9gl)

272 >>>And if that did occur, it wasn't Coulter who made the threat.


nah but she's the one baiting him over it.

so again, calm down with the White Knighting on behalf of sweet, gentle Ann.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:03 PM (dciA+)

273
Said before, someone will watch and listen to what's resonating so, and form a strategy to take advantage.

Looks like 2 people, Cruz and Walker are starting.

Got no problem voting for either or both as a duo.

Something else this whole brouhaha may do is make the wrong people do the right thing, to paraphrase.

Which also could result in the ouster of Boehner and McConnell.

Extra awesome icing on the cake.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 18, 2015 08:03 PM (jeCnD)

274 Did that come across as cold? It wasn't meant to be. Here was my point, perhaps better explained, though probably not:

If Average Joe makes a threat, it makes you mad. If someone says 'Hey, it's that pussy Average Joe, don't be mad he's just wind'. Do you taking your mad at Average Joe out on the one who points out that Average Joe is the pussy here, rather than the pussy Average Joe?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 08:03 PM (rwI+c)

275 >>"Okay we searched his entire blog...looks like we need to go after the Valu-Rite and Lace Wigs contingents!"

"And......elbows? Huh."

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 08:03 PM (NOIQH)

276 Again, I have to ask: What the hell are you paying consultants for if
they have absolutely no idea what the mood of the country is?


If the candidate is paying consultants to tell him what the hell's going on in the country, he/she shouldn't be a damn candidate in the first place, Ace.

Seeing that things aren't right/could stand improvement is supposed to be a part (after, I suppose, Ego and Power) of why someone runs for the Top Job.

I'm guessing -- like everyone else who talks about Trump -- that he was more or less able to suss some of this stuff out for himself and, like Perot, decided he could do a better job.

Despite some pretty reasonable people here supporting Cruz and Walker, neither seems to me to be ready. I don't think Cruz ever will be, but Walker seems to have a bit of the spark that used to motivate Perry. He might be worth looking at for '20 or '24.

A lot of people have been saying "oooooh, what a deep bench we have!" Hate to break it to you, sports fans, but the Republican "bench" has a bunch of minor-league phenoms who might make it to the Bigs later.

The Democrat bench should all be in jail, or a nursing home.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 08:03 PM (0atQl)

277 There is no "vapor someone on the internet". It was a real person who posted it.

Remember the incident where Curt Schilling went after the twerp who said vile things about his daughter online?

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 08:04 PM (sdi6R)

278 sorry, but yeah, it is crude and low to personalize every single dispute so that you have a good hate object for the day.

and the personalization thing is getting ugly as hell.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:04 PM (dciA+)

279 But if Jeb is the nominee and Trump runs as an independent, I will vote for Trump without hesitation.
Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 07:56 PM (sdi6R)

I'm at that point myself and Trump is not my guy

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 08:04 PM (fgSDS)

280 Coulter's link was to a Bretibart article wherein Wilson blames Breitbart for 'inspriring' a tweet from some other twitter user.


Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 08:04 PM (oVJmc)

281 Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 08:01 PM (oFCZn)

Or Won'ts



Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 08:04 PM (x3GpS)

282 256 What can they possibly do with all of one third of the Government? The third that spends all money an makes all laws.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:01 PM (kvWer)


Stand around in front of cameras looking scared?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 08:04 PM (oFCZn)

283 Why did they need Trump? Because Trump is an alternative to the establishment, and thus a threat.
The Republicans had no alternatives, only the Democrats. So they ran the "vote for us or else with the Democrats win" style of salesmanship. Trump is a quasi third party that shatters that false choice.

Posted by: Saltydonnie at August 18, 2015 08:05 PM (zBwYh)

284 amazing watching people instantly take completely 180-opposite opinions on a thing just because it concerns an "enemy"

so sad, so pathetic, so common.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:00 PM (dciA+)


Remember when Goldstein's son was threatened by the crazy lady professor? What did he do? Did he go on twitter and talk about somebody prostituting herself to a political candidate?


No. He called the cops. And he followed through with attempts to keep his family safe.


If this guy is worried about his daughter, what's he doing on twitter? I'll take it seriously when he does.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 08:05 PM (Dj0WE)

285 God Forbid we should have discussion that isn't centered on personalities and heroes and villains.

Meh, we do both.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 08:05 PM (rwI+c)

286 So they finally noticed the book of matches in my pocket

Posted by: Boy scout at August 18, 2015 08:05 PM (VnxtC)

287 Yep, a national plan for catastrophic care and HSA for everything else is a much better way to go. That's the way they do it in Singapore. We should have been looking for examples in the East instead of the West. But, then, the government wouldn't have the power to say "your money or your life," every politician's wet dream.


Posted by: Phil at August 18, 2015 08:05 PM (DjpfO)

288
Every R candidate should release a statement in favor of zero based budgeting and a policy of no budget will exceed 95% of the previous budget until such time as we have surpluses to pay down the debt.

man this is easy, I should really charge for this stuff.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk giving political consulting advice for free. at August 18, 2015 08:05 PM (ODxAs)

289 Never heard of this Wilson person. Dancing with the stars or Survivor?

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:05 PM (kvWer)

290 all right, done for the night

you people have fun yelling about your Internet Personalities.

i'm going to read a book.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:06 PM (dciA+)

291 George Will is not describing Trump - Trump is out at a fancy NYC restaurant w/his hot wife wining and dining some VIPs or attending some event that wants some of his money (charity, political fundraiser).

The guy Will is describing is Cliff Claven, (union)postal worker who lives with his mother and spends his spare time being a know-it-all at the local bar. Sounds like a Democrat to me.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 08:06 PM (NOIQH)

292 So the threat against Palins kid? That OK too?


Oh. It's was a joke by a comedian? But still awful right? But a internet threat is OK?


Baloney

Posted by: ThunderB at August 18, 2015 08:06 PM (zOTsN)

293 nah but she's the one baiting him over it.

so again, calm down with the White Knighting on behalf of sweet, gentle Ann.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:03 PM (dciA+)


Hah sorry no I don't white knight.

Nice try.

I was merely pointing out that she didn't threaten his kid.

Frankly, he shouldn't have apologized. He said what he said. Was tasteless and classless, but Coulter's said worse.

Who cares? It's Twitter.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 08:06 PM (oFCZn)

294 So while I'm not super-anti-coulter, i"m gonna say the Outraged White Knighting on her behalf is unwarranted. Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:53 PM (dciA+)

Thanks for the context, didn't know about the creepy FB rape threats. Oh brave new Twitter, that has such people in it, sigh.

I get that the conservative instinct for societal civility might make someone rush to Coulter's defense. (Assuming in good faith that the person, like me, did not know the dumb thing she said and only saw the slander.) I hate condescending white knighting when the left does it, that goes for the right too. Ann has more balls than most guys in the GOP anyway, does not need the assist.

Posted by: LizLem at August 18, 2015 08:07 PM (hvf9s)

295 Coulter's link was to a Bretibart article wherein Wilson blames Breitbart for 'inspriring' a tweet from some other twitter user.


Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 08:04 PM (oVJmc)


Reminds me of when they blamed Palin for Gabby Gifford being shot.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 08:07 PM (Dj0WE)

296

I don't know Rick Wilson so why should I believe him? Where's the email with the rape threat? Let's see it.

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 08:07 PM (DxVXo)

297 Never heard of this Wilson person. Dancing with the stars or Survivor?


Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:05 PM


IIRC, he was Dennis the Menace's neighbor.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 08:07 PM (0atQl)

298 Why are you guys chasing away ace w/the Wilson crap?

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 08:07 PM (NOIQH)

299 ace, I know you love twitter, but I see no good ever coming of replying so quickly to tweets. Too much emotion on the moment.




It's like what I use to tell my sons, nothing good ever happens after midnight, get your asses home.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:07 PM (0FSuD)

300
To be fair, if someone threatened either of my daughters with rape, I'd lose my shit too.
Posted by: SMFH




Allegedly threatened. Just his word it happened.

And if it happened, that's a Federal, and probably a state, felony. So unless he turned the emails over to the authorities, don't place much cred in his claims of victimization.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 08:07 PM (kdS6q)

301 niters ace.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 08:07 PM (zyIlW)

302 nah but she's the one baiting him over it.

so again, calm down with the White Knighting on behalf of sweet, gentle Ann.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:03 PM (dciA+)

Ann's a big girl. She can handle it. She lives for this kinda shit

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 08:08 PM (fgSDS)

303 Dont you wish your girlfriend was Trump like me?
Dontcha?

Posted by: Scott 'Trump' Walker at August 18, 2015 08:08 PM (Lx5HV)

304 Coulter is out of line.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 18, 2015 08:09 PM (iQIUe)

305 If Nelson Mandela had a son he'd be a retarded racist rapist bastard also.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:09 PM (kvWer)

306
I'm supposed to be internetty outraged over some email that I can't even read for myself??

Show me the goddam email. Let's see this rape threat.

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 08:09 PM (DxVXo)

307 Ann's a big girl. She can handle it. She lives for this kinda shit

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 08:08 PM (fgSDS)

She manufactures this kind of shit for publicity. She's a publicity hound.

OK, I do her.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:09 PM (0FSuD)

308 Why shd Coulter be upset over Wilson's remark? Is she a girly man? Some say yes!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 18, 2015 08:09 PM (iQIUe)

309 Ann Coulter would be a good guest for the podcast.Wait,didn't she do it once?

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 08:09 PM (sPO3u)

310 So the threat against Palins kid? That OK too?

Oh. It's was a joke by a comedian? But still awful right? But a internet threat is OK?

Baloney
Posted by: ThunderB at August 18, 2015 08:06 PM (zOTsN)


No one said it was ok. It's possible to be disgusted by the threat, and not terribly worried about it at the same time.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 08:09 PM (Dj0WE)

311 Remember that guy that consulted Churchill?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2015 08:09 PM (ZCFje)

312
Allegedly threatened. Just his word it happened.

And if it
happened, that's a Federal, and probably a state, felony. So unless he
turned the emails over to the authorities, don't place much cred in his
claims of victimization.


And the problem is that Wilson blamed Breitbart for the threat from some random person.

It's like blaming Ace for something one of us might do.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 08:10 PM (oVJmc)

313 Take note Bohner, McConnell, JEB!, and others:

Trump is the GOP's Angel of Death, sent for their deception of and disbelief in the American People.

Posted by: Minuteman at August 18, 2015 08:10 PM (KH8nb)

314 Twitter is cable access for comedians and mental cases. I don't think the good of it is worth the bad.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 08:10 PM (rwI+c)

315 Posted by: Saltydonnie at August 18, 2015 08:05 PM (zBwYh)


I just think something big is coming and it's not solely a we're so pissed off at the GOP thing.

Witness Sanders on the left basically doing what Trump's doing.

People have finally started to see the game is rigged. I think. I could be wrong.

I just thing it was too obvious pushing another Clinton and another Bush. Even the LIV noticed it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 08:10 PM (oFCZn)

316 Note that the above 'moderate' positions don't always agree with what I'd consider personally ideal, but I believe they represent what can be 'sold' to the public at large.

Politics is the art of the possible.



Moderation produced Presidents John Anderson in 1980, John McCain, and Mitt Romney.

Whacko birds like Reagan barely won 40-48 states. It was that close!

Posted by: rd at August 18, 2015 08:10 PM (a/sAS)

317 I am so sick, so very very sick, of leftist nattering and frame-overreach that I now have brutal and unapologetic views on just about everything.

My "health plan"?

Work and earn money. Spend it on doctors if you get sick. The end.

Save it for your old age too, if you know what's good for you.

No middlemen. No HMOs. No government micromanaging. No Obamacare. No Medicare. Eliminating that alone cuts costs by about 70%, making self-paid health care easily affordable.

The rest of everyone else can just reap the rewards of a life ill-spent, frankly.

Charities and nonprofits want to set up free clinics and free hospitals for the poor? Beautiful. Be my guest. More power to ya.

But donations to such free clinics is up to each person's conscience and is entirely voluntary.

Not compulsory, as in the current system.

Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2015 08:10 PM (jBuUi)

318

Perhaps you've been a bit too successful in insulating yourself from your constituents, huh?

Posted by: Ace at 07:10 PM




Constituents, like tourists, smell funny and simply don't have the "old money" cachet of a good lobbyist!

Posted by: Hairy Reed, D-NV at August 18, 2015 08:10 PM (ftVQq)

319 after she jumped on him for being upset that someone had made a rape threat against his daughter....?

I'll allow it.
Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:51 PM (dciA+)

She jumped on Rick Wilson for going into full on "blame Breitbart and John Nolte" mode for it.

Which Adam Baldwin noted was an SJW/anti-Gamergate thing: pass off internet trolling as emblematic and fully the responsibility of a party you don't like. Even if there is little to no connection of the bad act to said party.

(Well, "jumped on" being Coulter using the word "hilarious" when retweeting Nolte's write-up of it. The "hilarious" was the meltdown and blamecasting, not the being upset over the act.)

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at August 18, 2015 08:11 PM (tmNLh)

320 Remember that guy that Patton paid millions for advice?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2015 08:11 PM (ZCFje)

321 Nite ace, enjoy your book

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 08:11 PM (fgSDS)

322 I think Ann Coulter is a man like Michelle Obama and the Williams sisters.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:11 PM (kvWer)

323
Sounds like Rick Wilson got an email saying "how would you like it if your daughter was raped by an illegal?"

Which only an internet asshole would interpret as a threat.

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 08:11 PM (DxVXo)

324
New Social Security Policy: We will maintain it for those (picks random age) 45 and over. Those from 35 to 44 can choose to stay in or leave. Under 35 can pay nothing and invest in their own retirement.

I am like the best consultant ever. Not even trying. And yet R candidates can't even give us anything except the crap we have heard for the last 25 years in which they won't follow thru.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk giving political consulting advice for free. at August 18, 2015 08:11 PM (ODxAs)

325 Trump Fever, Trump Fever
We know how to do it!

Posted by: Scott 'Trump' Walker at August 18, 2015 08:12 PM (Lx5HV)

326 zombie/brainss 2016

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 08:12 PM (sdi6R)

327 322
I think Ann Coulter is a man like Michelle Obama and the Williams sisters.


Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:11 PM (kvWer)

That would explain her adam's apple?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:12 PM (0FSuD)

328 OT
Shootings in Chicago- bullet placement
Numbers are those shot
Yellow means they died
White means they lived

http://preview.tinyurl.com/nuqj627

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 18, 2015 08:13 PM (hVdx9)

329 I want the insurance I had, medium level deductible, low premiums (we are in good health) and coverage for everything over 10K.

I want it back. Sons of bitches. Their bullshit obamacare has screwed me over big time.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 08:13 PM (Xa4vS)

330 Temujin once said: "I'd make love to my consultant but I am not homo. So, you my followers, should."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2015 08:13 PM (ZCFje)

331 here was my advice to Mike Flynn, who lost because of money, not message

Didn't Flynn lose in a landslide? Just sayin'...

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at August 18, 2015 08:13 PM (1RNgT)

332 It's like blaming Ace for something one of us might do.


Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 08:10 PM (oVJmc)

Yes, but blaming Ace seems to work!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 08:13 PM (ftVQq)

333 Her Adam's Apple is so prominent because she is skinny.Women have them,they are just smaller than a mans.

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 08:13 PM (sPO3u)

334 Soothie. A comedian made a joke about Palins daughter being raped. The whole world knew it wasn't serious. Outrage. But this is OK?

Posted by: ThunderB at August 18, 2015 08:14 PM (zOTsN)

335 331 He did,he was way outspent though.

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 08:14 PM (sPO3u)

336 http://www.howitworksdaily.com/do-women-have-an-adams-apple/

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 08:14 PM (zyIlW)

337 New Social Security Policy: We will maintain it for those (picks random age) 45 and over. Those from 35 to 44 can choose to stay in or leave. Under 35 can pay nothing and invest in their own retirement.

Isn't SS only about 20 years from being a century old program introduced during a great depression? Is this model really the best to stay with?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 08:14 PM (rwI+c)

338 Sounds like Rick Wilson got an email saying "how would you like it if your daughter was raped by an illegal?"

Which only an internet asshole would interpret as a threat.
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 08:11 PM (DxVXo)


If that's what was said, no, that's not a threat. That's suggesting a possible consequence for welcoming illegal aliens. Many families have had worse results from the illegals who Jeb! and co. are welcoming into this country.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 08:14 PM (Dj0WE)

339
Rick Wilson, sacred honor compels you to show everyone the email.

Posted by: Will Folks at August 18, 2015 08:15 PM (DxVXo)

340 I have always had a temptation to become a complete cynic, but family and faith have kept me on the straight and narrow path of hope. I must now confess, I have gone to the Dark Side.

Posted by: bergerbilder at August 18, 2015 08:15 PM (+jijM)

341 Coulter lost me when she started chubby chasing Christie in 2012 then managed to convert that into Mormon love for Romney.

Which I couldn't square with her supposed conservativism. I began to realize her conservatism was the thickness of one of her book covers and used for the same purpose.

And
she called people some pretty vile stuff during all this. I lost all
respect for her and became pretty certain that she's either losing it or
her books aren't selling as well as they might or her biological clock
is about to go off.

I dunno but if she wants to get down in the mud she's welcome to it but I don't pay her much mind anymore.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 08:15 PM (x3GpS)

342
Her Adam's Apple is so prominent because she is skinny.Women have them,they are just smaller than a mans.
Posted by: steevy




You vacation a lot in Thailand, don't you?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 08:15 PM (kdS6q)

343 Remember Chris McDaniel. McConnell and the NSRC brought in Democrats to defeat him in a Republican primary and smeared him as a racist. We bring in TRUMP.

Posted by: Minuteman at August 18, 2015 08:15 PM (KH8nb)

344 @333

I never knew that.



Knowledge be good. Dean Faber

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:15 PM (0FSuD)

345 Bush's amnesty plan is why I left the Republican party.

-
That was the kick to my balls that got me thinking I might not be a Republican. A few more and I knew for sure.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 18, 2015 08:16 PM (LImiJ)

346 >>> But donations to such free clinics is up to each person's conscience and is entirely voluntary.
>>> Not compulsory, as in the current system.

Set up by myself busybodies, for our own good.

Posted by: fluffy at August 18, 2015 08:16 PM (2iV3X)

347 Not once did I bestride a consultant into battle.

Interns, on the other hand, OH YEAH!

Posted by: Aléxandros at August 18, 2015 08:16 PM (ZCFje)

348 342 Nope,but I hear it's fabulous.

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 08:16 PM (sPO3u)

349 Soothie. A comedian made a joke about Palins daughter being raped. The whole world knew it wasn't serious. Outrage. But this is OK?
Posted by: ThunderB at August 18, 2015 08:14 PM (zOTsN)


Show me on this thread where anyone said it was ok to threaten to rape someone's daughter?

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 08:16 PM (Dj0WE)

350 >>>If that's what was said, no, that's not a threat. That's suggesting a possible consequence for welcoming illegal aliens. Many families have had worse results from the illegals who Jeb! and co. are welcoming into this country.

it's neat, soothsayer makes something up out of his ass, and then that quickly is accepted as an Established Fact.

Really enjoying the continuing pretend-politics-actual-soap-opera drama over the Internet Personalities.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:16 PM (dciA+)

351 Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 08:05 PM (Dj0WE)

He did.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 08:17 PM (x3GpS)

352
But this is OK?

What's THIS??
Show me the email and I'll tell you if I think it's okay. I'm not taking Rick Wilson's word for it that he received a rape threat.

Posted by: Will Folks at August 18, 2015 08:17 PM (DxVXo)

353 320 Remember that guy that Patton paid millions for advice?



Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2015 08:11 PM (ZCFje)


It was not millions, it was only a few ReichMarks...

Posted by: Erwin Rommel, author of Infantry Attacks at August 18, 2015 08:18 PM (qh617)

354 338 Sounds like Rick Wilson got an email saying "how would you like it if your daughter was raped by an illegal?"

Which only an internet asshole would interpret as a threat.
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 08:11 PM (DxVXo)


If that's what was said, no, that's not a threat. That's suggesting a possible consequence for welcoming illegal aliens. Many families have had worse results from the illegals who Jeb! and co. are welcoming into this country.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 08:14 PM (Dj0WE)


And that's the thing. We don't even know that much, since Rick Wilson won't show the email.

It could be as real as one of Harry Reid's friends for all the world knows.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at August 18, 2015 08:18 PM (tmNLh)

355 Rick Wilson Nascar or Breitbart?

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:18 PM (kvWer)

356
Dammit.

That was me.

Show me the email. I'm not saying anything is okay.
I want to read the email for myself.

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 08:18 PM (DxVXo)

357 Rick Wilson?

Is he the guy that played the volleyball in "Cast Away"?

Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2015 08:18 PM (jBuUi)

358 355,

Breitbart.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 08:18 PM (zyIlW)

359 If that's what was said, no, that's not a threat.
That's suggesting a possible consequence for welcoming illegal aliens.
Many families have had worse results from the illegals who Jeb! and
co. are welcoming into this country.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 08:14 PM


Was it bad enough to justify his response?

I gather this "Rick Wilson" person is a friend or Twitterz-buddy of Ace's. I guess you cut your friends some slack, but I think the guy should have had enough class to step back, take a deep breath, and realize his response would making him look like a pathetic horse's butt to millions of people.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 08:18 PM (0atQl)

360 it's neat, soothsayer makes something up out of his ass, and then that quickly is accepted as an Established Fact.

Really enjoying the continuing pretend-politics-actual-soap-opera drama over the Internet Personalities.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:16 PM (dciA+)


Hence the word "if."

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 08:18 PM (Dj0WE)

361 345 Bush's amnesty plan is why I left the Republican party.

-
That was the kick to my balls that got me thinking I might not be a Republican. A few more and I knew for sure.
Posted by: The Great White Snark

Gang of 2005, all 3 branches of government held by GOP and they bend over and take it up the ass and swallow

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 08:19 PM (fgSDS)

362 @232: "You can't be afraid to speak the truth because it might offend someone."

Uh, that's pretty much our entire reason for existing.

Posted by: The GOP Establishment at August 18, 2015 08:19 PM (amQXf)

363 This may be one of those crack-up moments, one of those seminal moments in history where one of the Big Two parties breaks up and something else takes it place (after time and lots of fighting). Last time that happened was right before the Civil War with the demise of the Whigs.

There are parallels between the Repubs and the Whigs of old. But while history rhymes, it never really repeats, so things will be a little different.

With the coming economic collapse (of the West, maybe the whole damned world) in a debt destruction conflagration, wars, even civil, may be likely in the cards.

We are going through the one of those big moments in history. In 50 years, they'll be a narrative about how it all played out and those of us in the middle have no clue about that narrative. But we'll see it when it's over.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 08:19 PM (dvuhZ)

364 >>> Rape threats/jokes about your kids should be off limits. Always. No exceptions.
Posted by: USA at August 18, 2015 07:56 PM (tfM+W)

The hell you say!

Posted by: Liberals that issued death threats at Scott Walker's Family at August 18, 2015 08:19 PM (hvf9s)

365 355
Rick Wilson Nascar or Breitbart?


Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:18 PM (kvWer)

GQ

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:19 PM (0FSuD)

366 here was my advice to Mike Flynn, who lost because of money, not message

Didn't Flynn lose in a landslide? Just sayin'...

What I mean is, maybe it was the money, but maybe the message doesn't have as much resonance in the wider world as it does with us here. I have a hard time believing that the only reason milquetoast republicans keep winning the nomination is because of shitty consultants.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at August 18, 2015 08:19 PM (1RNgT)

367 Gang of 7 in 2005

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 08:19 PM (fgSDS)

368
And that's the thing. We don't even know that much, since Rick Wilson won't show the email.

Exactly. But Ace accepted it and he wants us ALL to accept it as truth and fact. But has Ace read the email??

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 08:20 PM (DxVXo)

369 Is this model really the best to stay with?

Hell no. This is politcal consulting to get votes, you can't say I am killing social security, but you could say I am saving social security for grandparents and not making their grandchildren live under a system that even the grandparents don't like that much.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk giving political consulting advice for free. at August 18, 2015 08:20 PM (ODxAs)

370 Fucking autocucumber.

Posted by: fluffy at August 18, 2015 08:20 PM (2iV3X)

371 I said before, I say again:

When the R establishment demonizes just-plain-folks organizing into things like the Tea Party, what they get is Trump.

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 08:20 PM (JvPqF)

372 Threaten my daughters with rape, I'll show you how "girly" I can get.
Posted by: SMFH

You threaten to rape my daughter I will likely skip the informing law enforcement part and get right to the taking care of it part.

But

I won't blame some dickbags threat on John Nolte and Breitbart.

Posted by: traye at August 18, 2015 08:20 PM (N8WBd)

373 I sense a disturbance in the horde.

We should maybe back off this subject as too much is not known publicly. I'm sure Ace knows stuff he can't repeat publicly and yet he defends his friend.

I can see the Ewok hairs bristling a bit.

Time for some soothing music or some Baco's.

I just eat them straight out of the jar. I don't even bother putting them on the salad.

They got some chemicals in them though that can give you a buzz.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 08:20 PM (x3GpS)

374 My consultants knew when to shut the fuck up.

After I filled their fuckin' gobs with man-goo, is when.

Posted by: Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Augustus at August 18, 2015 08:20 PM (ZCFje)

375 363 Interesting times.

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 08:20 PM (sPO3u)

376 Thor is on.

Feeling pissed like Loki.

I crave sustenance!!!

Posted by: RWC - TEAM ANTI-TWANLOC at August 18, 2015 08:21 PM (XAFOu)

377 I must confess that I'm oddly indifferent about *all* these internet personalities.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 08:21 PM (rwI+c)

378 Thor has a show?

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:21 PM (kvWer)

379 traye,

Well said.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 08:21 PM (zyIlW)

380 >>>I gather this "Rick Wilson" person is a friend or Twitterz-buddy of Ace's. I guess you cut your friends some slack, but I think the guy should have had enough class to step back, take a deep breath, and realize his response would making him look like a pathetic horse's butt to millions of people.

yeah the onus is on the guy whose daughter got a rape threat to gain some perspective and take a breath, not the ones baiting him.

well we really like talking about Internet Personalities I guess.

who are your favorite Radio Personalities?!!!?!!

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:22 PM (dciA+)

381 Whoa. Not scrolling up. Who the F is threatening rape???

Posted by: RWC - TEAM ANTI-TWANLOC at August 18, 2015 08:22 PM (XAFOu)

382 A comedian made a joke about Palins daughter being raped. The whole world knew it wasn't serious. Outrage. But this is OK?

Of course not. The anger was directed at the comedian. It was directed at people who said the comedian was okay saying that.

Wilson did not direct his anger at the person who made the threat. Nor did anyone he directed it at say it was okay to make such a threat. He was using the threat to say the equivalent of that Ace was politically horrible because someone claiming to be a moron made the threat.

What Wilson did is exactly what we complain about the left doing all the time: directing faux outrage at a political opponent instead of the person who deserves the outrage. We mock the left for doing that, and rightly so.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 18, 2015 08:22 PM (2lndx)

383 Anybody who thinks Trump is a Hillary shill, check his anti-Hillary ad on WZ.

P.S. Why hasn't anybody else been making these hard hitting ads for, oh, I don't know, the last twenty years.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 18, 2015 08:22 PM (LImiJ)

384 they bend over and take it up the ass and swallow

*throws flag*

Posted by: The Metaphor Referee at August 18, 2015 08:22 PM (sdi6R)

385 They are going to try to say the right words, and then do the opposite. GOP? Dead to me.

Posted by: Jack at August 18, 2015 08:23 PM (53CCM)

386 >>>
What I mean is, maybe it was the money, but maybe the message doesn't have as much resonance in the wider world as it does with us here. I

he was outspent 10-1 and won in the county he spent the most time in. He had no ads on tv or radio. He came within 5 in the county he spent the 2nd-most time in.



Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:23 PM (dciA+)

387 Who the F is threatening rape???

Apparently Nolte, or Ann Coulter. I'm a little confused at this point.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 08:23 PM (rwI+c)

388 I don't use Twatter.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:24 PM (kvWer)

389
Wow, that got out of hand fast..

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 08:24 PM (DxVXo)

390 who are your favorite Radio Personalities?!!!?!!

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:22 PM (dciA+)

Not that asshole on Sirius channel 6 that talks all day. I am paying for music not a damn DJ.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:24 PM (0FSuD)

391 No one explained to me how to consult nutsack blood, kill my enemies, and consolidated my empire. I guess I missed out.

Posted by: Moctezuma I at August 18, 2015 08:24 PM (ZCFje)

392 He came within 5 in the county he spent the 2nd-most time in.

I think that is why the GOPe rushing the election was so important.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 08:24 PM (rwI+c)

393 368
And that's the thing. We don't even know that much, since Rick Wilson won't show the email.

Exactly. But Ace accepted it and he wants us ALL to accept it as truth and fact. But has Ace read the email??
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 08:20 PM (DxVXo)


Well, and there is no issue nor need to doubt the sincerity of the claim, until Rick Wilson decides to use it to smear people he doesn't like.

I feel like the alleged threat is being treated as the crux of the matter. The crux is the threat used as a smear.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at August 18, 2015 08:25 PM (tmNLh)

394 Ace you have to give Trump credit for this...

HE READ THE BLOG COMMENTS!

No need to spend money on consultants and lots of money on groups of idiots found on the street by Luntz.

Revolutionary..and it was Donald Trump that did it first.

...Real estate mogul and reality TV star, not politician.

Posted by: William Eaton at August 18, 2015 08:25 PM (q52Ma)

395 Mais qui va garder les enfants?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 18, 2015 08:25 PM (2lndx)

396 Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 18, 2015 07:54 PM (xetep)


To me, the icing on the cake was that Cantor, rather than hieing himself back to Richmond close to those pesky constituents to ponder on what he done wrong and how he had failed his local citizens, quickly danced across the boulevard to K-Street to make even more serious money than he did in Congress without having to leave his cozy DC life.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 08:25 PM (ftVQq)

397 Anybody who thinks Trump is a Hillary shill, check his anti-Hillary ad on WZ.

P.S. Why hasn't anybody else been making these hard hitting ads for, oh, I don't know, the last twenty years.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 18, 2015 08:22 PM (LImiJ)


Although I personally loathe the man, we could do worse than Trump, I think.

In fact, we already have.

Twice, just recently.

If Trump is what it takes to get a few regular R pols to stop sucking their own dicks for a few moments and start paying attention to what's actually going on in the country, then as far as I can see it's all good.

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 08:25 PM (JvPqF)

398 >>>We should maybe back off this subject as too much is not known publicly. I'm sure Ace knows stuff he can't repeat publicly and yet he defends his friend.

I can see the Ewok hairs bristling a bit.


...

no no, not at all, i'm enjoy people pretending to talk about 'politics" when they're really just indulging a need for Drama Involving Internet Personalties and some of their own made-up outrage.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:25 PM (dciA+)

399 Don't worry about Social Security. It is doomed to collapse. It's assets consist of a few trillion...in non-marketable special Treasuries. IOUs, IOW. It's about to go cash flow negative (ie the real taxes less the expenditures -- this is real money, not counting the faux "interest", which is paid in more of the same IOUs). The disability part already has, or will in a year or so, and thus will begin the draw-down of the IOUS (which Treasury will have to make up with more real borrowing, real marketable Ts it must sell). He'll I think the whole thing has already dipped cash negative a quarter or two in the past, but they assure us it's just a fluke of the current temporary economic hiccup.

The whole damn thing is going to crash, it is mathematically certain to do so.

Don't worry, if you're under 40, maybe even a little older, you ain't getting shit. Math is going to reform it, no matter what the politicians try to do.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 08:25 PM (dvuhZ)

400 254 Don't be baffled. The GOPe knew folks were pissed, they just thought they had reached the point they could say FU to the base.
Posted by: dogfish at August 18, 2015 08:00 PM (zFLZx)


This +1000

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 18, 2015 08:25 PM (laMCB)

401
For the record, no I don't condone Scott Walker threatening to rape Rick Wilson's daughter. But I still want to see Ann Coulter's email to Nick Nolte.

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 08:25 PM (DxVXo)

402 I don't use Twatter.

You my friend are half way to the Presidency. BTW, I do consulting work.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk giving political consulting advice for free. at August 18, 2015 08:25 PM (ODxAs)

403 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 08:19 PM (dvuhZ)

Latest polls show that 41% of the electorate self identify as unaffiliated or independent.

That is a larger percentage than either of the two main legally advantaged Political Parties who hold ALL the power.

Thus, we have a LARGE percentage who do not feel they are represented, in this supposedly representative Democracy.

You are correct... something is going to give... but I think its going to be the Two party system... other countries all over the world seem to work it out with more than TWO entrenched political parties.

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 18, 2015 08:26 PM (qh617)

404 OT: I found out a coworker believes in chemtrails. I, being the helpful jerk that I am, told him to get a spray bottle of vinegar.

Of course, this was after he told me Jade Helm was forcing people in Clint, TX to get microchips or be imprisoned. Oh, and that an asteroid was hitting Earth next month.

I have no pity. I laughed in his face.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 18, 2015 08:26 PM (q20+R)

405 WHY are all men on TV ads, except the Black ones, always portrayed as idiots?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:26 PM (0FSuD)

406 Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:23 PM (dciA+)

And don't forget to mention, La Hoods almost a household name there in the district

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 08:26 PM (fgSDS)

407 lol @ that anti-Hillary Trump ad.

And, once again, it just keep autoplaying.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 08:26 PM (oFCZn)

408 For the record, no I don't condone Scott Walker threatening to rape Rick Wilson's daughter. But I still want to see Ann Coulter's email to Nick Nolte.
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 08:25 PM (DxVXo)


Scott Walker was caught raping Ann Wilson's daughter?

Has he no Heart?

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 08:26 PM (JvPqF)

409
387 Who the F is threatening rape???

Apparently Nolte, or Ann Coulter. I'm a little confused at this point.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 08:23 PM (rwI+c)

Thanks. Thought it was part of the horde. Couldn't care less about those two.

Just saw the Norm MacDonald colonel. Just stop. Please.

Posted by: RWC - TEAM ANTI-TWANLOC at August 18, 2015 08:27 PM (XAFOu)

410 The white knight who says "ni."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2015 08:27 PM (W5DcG)

411 Been ignoring the news and listening to nostalgic radio programs from the 40s and 50s the last few days. It's been... refreshing.

Posted by: Weasel at August 18, 2015 08:27 PM (e3bId)

412 Hy guys just getting here. Ann Coulter raped Nick Nolte? That's horrible!

Posted by: freaked at August 18, 2015 08:27 PM (BO/km)

413 My personal confidants were few in number but they did not advise spraying my constituents with the contents of my bowels.

Not even once.

Posted by: A. Lincoln at August 18, 2015 08:27 PM (ZCFje)

414 ace, I'm sorry I started this shit.

Good night.

Posted by: fluffy at August 18, 2015 08:27 PM (2iV3X)

415
Nancy Wilson is dead?

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 08:27 PM (DxVXo)

416 If there was a rape threat, was it reported to the authorities? Was it determined to be credible, was anyone identified, and were charges pressed?

Posted by: Saltydonnie at August 18, 2015 08:27 PM (zBwYh)

417 who are your favorite Radio Personalities?!!!?!!

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:22 PM


Since it's totally irrelevant to the conversation, I haven't had a "favorite radio personality" since Lohman and Barkley went off the air in L.A. And that was decades ago.

I don't remember them ever talking about politics, but they made me laugh, something neither Ann Coulter nor Rick Wilson can do.

And sorry, Ace, but if Wilson got a Real Threat -- in the legal sense -- he should have called the authorities. Going ballistic with twitter messages accomplishes nothing.

Unless Twitter has some as-yet undiscovered magic power.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 08:27 PM (0atQl)

418

I have no pity. I laughed in his face.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 18, 2015 08:26 PM (q20+R)

Fist bump little Sis

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 08:27 PM (fgSDS)

419 Don't worry about Social Security. It is doomed to collapse.

My political consultant brain says you should not run for office.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk giving political consulting advice for free. at August 18, 2015 08:27 PM (ODxAs)

420 There is to be no white knighting on this blog unless it is a Megyn Kelly.

Posted by: Saltydonnie at August 18, 2015 08:28 PM (zBwYh)

421 I like Heart. Somehow I was the last one who didn't realize REO Speedwagon was ghay.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:28 PM (kvWer)

422
OT: I found out a coworker believes in chemtrails. Of course, this was after he told me Jade Helm was forcing people in Clint, TX to get microchips or be imprisoned. Oh, and that an asteroid was hitting Earth next month.
Posted by: DangerGirl





Liessssss. All liessssss.

Posted by: The Space Lizards

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 08:28 PM (kdS6q)

423 Go ahead and Trump. TRUMP!
Might as well Trump TRUMP
Go ahead and Trump

*air guitar solo*

Posted by: Scott 'Trump' Walker at August 18, 2015 08:28 PM (Lx5HV)

424 RIP Nick Nolte

Posted by: RWC - TEAM ANTI-TWANLOC at August 18, 2015 08:28 PM (XAFOu)

425 WHY are all men on TV ads, except the Black ones, always portrayed as idiots?
Posted by: Nip Sip


It's mandated by the broadcasters code.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2015 08:28 PM (W5DcG)

426 There is some bizarre shit going on which I dont fully understand which I think involves some female editor for breitbart siding with some weirdos who are anti mixed marriages, adopting children out of race etc., But it looks like Searcy and Meatball may have to start ripping people's faces off. I say, go for it...

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 18, 2015 08:28 PM (iQIUe)

427 He will be missed.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 08:29 PM (rwI+c)

428 who are your favorite Radio Personalities?!!!?!!

Dr. Demento.

I am old.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 18, 2015 08:29 PM (2lndx)

429 >>>
And sorry, Ace, but if Wilson got a Real Threat -- in the legal sense -- he should have called the authorities.

he did, but do feel free to invent premises convenient to your list of Heroes and your list of Villains.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:29 PM (dciA+)

430 The whole damn thing is going to crash, it is mathematically certain to do so.

Don't worry, if you're under 40, maybe even a little older, you ain't getting shit. Math is going to reform it, no matter what the politicians try to do.


Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 08:25 PM (dvuhZ)

Ponzi schemes, which Social Security is, always collapse when they stop growing.

Note, the ONLY real population growth we now have, is immigration.... which is why I believe Washington pushes immigration, both legal and illegal, so much.

Problem is that most immigrants are not high wage earners, and will thus take more OUT of the system than they put in....

but no one ever accused politicians of being overly smart.

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 18, 2015 08:29 PM (qh617)

431 Has he no Heart?
Posted by: filbert at August

These dreams

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 08:30 PM (fgSDS)

432 Ann obviously didn't threaten Wilson's daughter. Why did Wilson make such a nasty comment to her on twitter?

Whether ace likes him or not, it was a poor choice.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 08:30 PM (Xa4vS)

433 Posted by: The Space Lizards Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 08:28 PM

Where o where is Art Bell when we REALLY need him?

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 08:30 PM (0atQl)

434 Problem is that most immigrants are not high wage earners, and will thus take more OUT of the system than they put in....

The current politicians just want to buy 20 or 30 more years, then they're dead and it's not their problem.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 08:31 PM (rwI+c)

435
so much Internet Personality based drama -- so much more interesting than anything else in life, like our family, or books, or hobbies!

Or going out for a walk....

let's just focus on that Internet Personality drama... just another little chase of the dragon, all that OUTRAGE we can direct and people who don't share our opinions about everything....

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:31 PM (dciA+)

436 he did, but do feel free to invent premises convenient to your list of Heroes and your list of Villains.





Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:29 PM (dciA+)

Fast reader are we? How was the book, he he

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:31 PM (0FSuD)

437 Has he no Heart?
Posted by: filbert at August

These dreams
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 08:30 PM (fgSDS)


Tempted to work it back to a Sarah Palin/Saracuda joke, but . . . nah, too much effort involved, not nearly enough payoff.

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 08:31 PM (JvPqF)

438 Why make the threat public?

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 08:31 PM (Xa4vS)

439 What is up with all the Breitbart attacks? I mean besides the pop up ads

Posted by: ThunderB at August 18, 2015 08:31 PM (zOTsN)

440 (sign language) (sign language) (sign language) vaffanculo (sign language) (sign language) consultants (sign language) (sign language) (sign language) (sign language) !

Posted by: Giuseppe Garibaldi at August 18, 2015 08:32 PM (ZCFje)

441 I hear if you threaten to rape Bernie Sanders' daughters, he just says 'thank you.'

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 08:32 PM (oVJmc)

442 Ace> Again, I have to ask: What the hell are you paying consultants for if they have absolutely no idea what the mood of the country is? And they don't. This apparently all comes as a huge shock to the political class.

Nah. Just greasing the wheel.

One thing about Trump, and I know you're no fan. He hires people that know what they're doing. He knows nada about running golf courses. He knows nada about running hotels. But he puts the right people in the right places. And those people will fire your ass.

What we are currently lacking in leadership.

Posted by: Golfman at August 18, 2015 08:32 PM (48QDY)

443 >>To me, the icing on the cake was that Cantor, rather than hieing himself back to Richmond... quickly danced across the boulevard to K-Street to make even more serious money than he did in Congress without having to leave his cozy DC life.

Not defending Cantor, but don't most of them do that? Once they taste the power of DC they just can't quit it. They've made the connections so it's time to call in favors, get that lobbying job, etc. Pathetic.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 08:32 PM (NOIQH)

444 Ace, it would be interesting if you could somehow easily represent to the clueless consultant class the fact that the people posting and reading your blog aren't a bunch of dunderheads, or as McCain and others would say, crazies. You have a lot of smart people on this blog with interesting backgrounds and a survey of our professions would be very enlightening for the DC dunderheads.

Posted by: Obamaisacommunist at August 18, 2015 08:32 PM (qoX4t)

445 he did, but do feel free to invent premises convenient to your list of Heroes and your list of Villains.
Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:29 PM


Good night, ace.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 08:32 PM (0atQl)

446 323
Sounds like Rick Wilson got an email saying "how would you like it if your daughter was raped by an illegal?"

Which only an internet asshole would interpret as a threat.
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 08:11 PM (DxVXo)

Right. Like it's a dicked up thing to say, but I mean... come on.

It's the fucking internet. If that's your chosen medium to communicate, you'd better be used to that.

Let's hope this guy never puts on a headset and plays Halo on XBox. He'd have a total meltdown after hearing the taunts and horrible shit gamers say at each other.

Anyways... whatever. I don't know the guy personally like ace does, maybe he's a great guy.

Just saying, I don't see why people are defending him for calling someone a prostitute in explicit terms. I mean, it is what it is. Like I said, it's the internet. But, uh, it's not like we should be defending and encouraging that kind of behavior.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 18, 2015 08:32 PM (AkOaV)

447 let's just focus on that Internet Personality drama... just another little chase of the dragon, all that OUTRAGE we can direct and people who don't share our opinions about everything....


You're starting to sound OUTRAGED that no one else is sharing your OUTRAGE at the OUTRAGE!

I think outrage should concern all of us.

*snaps sunglasses open*

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 08:32 PM (rwI+c)

448 I don't go to Breitbarf anymore. They can shove the autoplay up their blood drinking vampire asses.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:32 PM (kvWer)

449 Ace, Wilson has been going on and on for days with this twitter stuff, why are you mad at commenters here for commenting on it? Wilson has been tenacious and won't let go.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 08:33 PM (Xa4vS)

450 439 What is up with all the Breitbart attacks? I mean besides the pop up ads

Posted by: ThunderB at August 18, 2015 08:31 PM (zOTsN)


Because they're now known at the Trump News Network.

They've pretty much gone all in on Trump.

I think they're just taking advantage of the clicks.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 08:33 PM (oFCZn)

451 Sentir quoi?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 18, 2015 08:33 PM (2lndx)

452 It's Kabuki all the way down.

It's not the news and it's not entertainment.

It's INFOTAINMENT.

No news and no entertainment. Just lots of outraged outrageyness.

with extra excuses to get all high and mighty and white knighty.

Please. Everyone.
Old adage:
Believe NONE of what you hear and only HALF of what you see.

And what's the internet and TV. why it's audio and pixels

NONE of which can you verify are relating true information/facts/truth.

And much of what you peruse is controlled by people who do so only so as to separate you from your money or your God given Rights or your vote.

And who would likely spit on your grave if they knew you existed.

So don't trust them to be telling you the truth/facts/useful information. They may be and they may not be.

what is it the Gellman Amnesia effect? Where we don't believe the media about one thing then turn around and believe some other thing without question.

And get emotional and ready to fight over it to boot.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 08:34 PM (x3GpS)

453 Ace
Enjoy a drink & your book. This personality shit war will pass

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 08:34 PM (fgSDS)

454 Ewok Rage post in 5, 4, 3, 2 . . .

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 08:35 PM (JvPqF)

455 >>>Enjoy a drink & your book. This personality shit war will pass

but will it? Has it ever?

i'm so fucking sick of it.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:35 PM (dciA+)

456 So I've watched The Professional and now Thor.

The Jews aren't in control! Natalie Portman is!!!

Posted by: RWC - TEAM ANTI-TWANLOC at August 18, 2015 08:35 PM (XAFOu)

457 I don't go to Breitbart anymore. They can shove the autoplay up their blood drinking vampire asses.

I still go to Breitbart on occasion, and occasionally will link to it just because the name throws the left in a tizzy, but it is sad just how unfriendly, technologically, the site has become.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 18, 2015 08:35 PM (2lndx)

458 I like Heart. Somehow I was the last one who didn't realize REO Speedwagon was ghay.
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:28 PM (kvWer)

Continuing music thread from last night? That was a fun thread.

Posted by: LizLem at August 18, 2015 08:35 PM (hvf9s)

459 448
I don't go to Breitbarf anymore. They can shove the autoplay up their blood drinking vampire asses.


Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:32 PM (kvWer)

This and The Hill also does it.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:35 PM (0FSuD)

460
My reaction to someone talking shit about my kid and others joking about it would be to pound their fking faces in.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 18, 2015 08:35 PM (iQIUe)

461 coulter was wrong in her taunting tweet...but wilson's response was not that of a father upset about someone threating to rape his girl...his response was odd....going sexual in his response? weird.....not right in the head

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 18, 2015 08:36 PM (0O7c5)

462 And sorry, just throwing BS to get away from the arguing.

Posted by: RWC - TEAM ANTI-TWANLOC at August 18, 2015 08:36 PM (XAFOu)

463 Whatever. Let it burn. I will let the Sweet Comet of Death take me away Heaven's Gate style: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap150818.html

Posted by: wte9 at August 18, 2015 08:36 PM (xYr9U)

464 458 I think I missed it.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:36 PM (kvWer)

465 >>>I still go to Breitbart on occasion, and occasionally will link to it just because the name throws the left in a tizzy, but it is sad just how unfriendly, technologically, the site has become.

this was a thing said on *this* blog

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:36 PM (dciA+)

466 434 Problem is that most immigrants are not high wage earners, and will thus take more OUT of the system than they put in....

The current politicians just want to buy 20 or 30 more years, then they're dead and it's not their problem.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 08:31 PM (rwI+c)

Good point.... its like the cooked economic numbers...

No recession even though we have not really grown in a number of years...

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 18, 2015 08:36 PM (qh617)

467 Ace, Wilson has been going on and on for days with this twitter stuff, why are you mad at commenters here for commenting on it? Wilson has been tenacious and won't let go.
Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 08:33 PM (Xa4vS)


I know almost nothing about this Wilson guy. Maybe his daughter was threatened. If so, I'd be mad if I were him.


I also wouldn't be talking about it on twitter, or suggesting public figures are being sodomized for pay by Donald Trump because they said something on twitter about me blaming a website for the threat.


But that's just me.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 08:36 PM (Dj0WE)

468 I like big Trumps and I cannot lie!
You other Pubbies can't deny!

*bump grind and gyyyyrate*

Trump on it
Trump on it
Kemosabe
Trump on it

Whooooo !

Posted by: Scott 'Trump' Walker at August 18, 2015 08:37 PM (Lx5HV)

469 Can anyone remember any great general from history who made most of his decisions purely on the advice of his "consultants"?

Remember these are guys who have never actually won political office on their own...or at least of anything major. For example - What major political office has Rick Wilson won in his life.

I love military history, am an armchair military strategist, but I would be ashamed of a U.S. general who needed me to tell him how to invade a certain country, or what his next move should be. If needs my help that much I should be the general in charge.

Our professional politicians have become empty suits who are like actors being fed lines from "writers" so they can look "authentic". We the people need real politicians again...not the actors pretending to be politicians who make up most of the political class these days.

Posted by: William Eaton at August 18, 2015 08:37 PM (q52Ma)

470 Whatever. Let it burn. I will let the Sweet Comet of Death take me away Heaven's Gate style: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap150818.html
Posted by: wte9


Be sure to wear the correct shoes.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2015 08:37 PM (W5DcG)

471 My consultants were invaluable to me.

And by 'consultants,' I mean their wives.

Posted by: King David at August 18, 2015 08:37 PM (ZCFje)

472 Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 08:32 PM (NOIQH)

Yes! Far too many of them (ex-politicians) continue to avail themselves of the government teat when they should be in jail or at home. Neat thing about Cantor, is that he effectively said, I'm not even going to finish the term I was elected to, I'm off to the glitter and bucks of K-Street as fast as my little feet can carry me, you ungrateful wretches!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 08:37 PM (ftVQq)

473 King David was fair.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:38 PM (kvWer)

474 See this about SS:

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/assets.html

Note the curve flattening at the top, and the little dips, where total assets decreased (even with interest). That's the cash flow negative quarters. Click on the links if you want to get in the weeds.

Again, note the "trust fund" is noting but IOUs from the Treasury. They're not even real Ts, because they are non-marketable. SS couldn't sell them in the open market. Only Treasury can redeem them. They've already spent the money, using it to lower the amount of real money they had to borrow from the real bond market over the decades.

With the demographic collapse of the Ponzi, it goes to shit. That turning down of the curve is the peak of the Ponzi.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 08:38 PM (dvuhZ)

475 471 My consultants were invaluable to me.

And by 'consultants,' I mean their wives.
Posted by: King David at August 18, 2015 08:37 PM (ZCFje)

You backstabbing, wife-stealing bastard. I'm GLAD your bastard son died, you hear me!?

Posted by: Uriah the Hittite at August 18, 2015 08:38 PM (mx5oN)

476 the book i'm reading by the way is Afred Bester's "The Demolished Man" which so far is pretty fast-paced and jazzy... it's about a guy who wants to murder a business rival in a future world full of psychics.

Interesting, the protagonist isn't a cop as in Minority Report. The protagonist is the would-be killer. and he doesn't even have a good reason for the murder, just pure greed.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:38 PM (dciA+)

477 Alice Cooper's Radio Show is very good.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:39 PM (kvWer)

478 475!!!!

Posted by: Jake at August 18, 2015 08:39 PM (Bzyfx)

479 I guess I just really don't see why I have to have an opinion on this.

I'm not outraged some consultant said someone on the internet used a hypothetical involving his daughters alleged rape. Again, it's the internet.

I'm also not outraged that said consultant took to twitter (his professional means of communication) to call a commenter a prostitute in explicit terms involving anal sex with donald trump.

That being said, can we stop pretending these consultants and "political professionals" are trained professionals who should be trusted as opposed to us amateurs who might hurt the parties "image" with our mean spirited comments by advancing a, say, "war on women" narrative?

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 18, 2015 08:39 PM (AkOaV)

480 Be sure to wear the correct shoes.


I think that's when you really miss your testicles.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 08:39 PM (rwI+c)

481 >>>I still go to Breitbart on occasion, and occasionally will link to it just because the name throws the left in a tizzy, but it is sad just how unfriendly, technologically, the site has become.

this was a thing said on *this* blog
Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:36 PM (dciA+)

LOL

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 18, 2015 08:39 PM (uz/Pv)

482 My consultants were awesome ...

looking on a spit, roasting over the fire of the last defiant.

Posted by: Ying Zheng at August 18, 2015 08:40 PM (ZCFje)

483 My consultants were invaluable to me.

And by 'consultants,' I mean their wives.

Posted by: King David at August 18, 2015 08:37 PM (ZCFje)


Consortants?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2015 08:40 PM (MYSVz)

484 the book i'm reading by the way is Afred Bester's "The Demolished Man" which so far is pretty fast-paced and jazzy... it's about a guy who wants to murder a business rival in a future world full of psychics.

Interesting, the protagonist isn't a cop as in Minority Report. The protagonist is the would-be killer. and he doesn't even have a good reason for the murder, just pure greed.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:38 PM (dciA+)


Been decades since I read it, but I recall it as being a particularly good book.

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 08:40 PM (JvPqF)

485 They should at least half assedly fix Social Security. Keep it together until I croak.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:40 PM (kvWer)

486 Pure greed is a damn good reason. Not for me, but for others.

Posted by: RWC - TEAM ANTI-TWANLOC at August 18, 2015 08:40 PM (XAFOu)

487 Al Bester will read your mind.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2015 08:41 PM (W5DcG)

488 oh it had this sickly cynical line:

"A murder is a contest between the individual and society, with the target the prize."

(Getting at the real struggle is to not be caught, hence, the battle is against society and its detections .)

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:41 PM (dciA+)

489 Posted by: William Eaton at August 18, 2015 08:37 PM (q52Ma)

Marshall Ney... Bravest of the Brave... stupidest of the stupid...

He kept his Marshall's baton because Napoleon could always count on him to attack... which when he was indisposed at Waterloo, then cost him the battle when Ney sent in a non coordinated attack...

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 18, 2015 08:41 PM (qh617)

490
How come we arent talking about the Penthouse spreadfold saying Trump was FABULOUS in bed? A real EWOK and YUGE!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 18, 2015 08:42 PM (iQIUe)

491 The show Scott 'Trump' Walker has put on has been funny thus far, so there's that.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 08:42 PM (zyIlW)

492 Rowling! Rowling! Rowling on a riv-verr!

Posted by: Proud Harry at August 18, 2015 08:42 PM (DGrkU)

493 Honorable Consultants make my octopus pr0n come alive.

Posted by: Tokugawa at August 18, 2015 08:42 PM (ZCFje)

494 Wow. I step out for an hour and this place goes to hell.
Well farther into hell.

So much drama.
My drama for the evening? My dog is mad at me because I came home smelling like the new puppy from around the corner. Even two bacon flavored treats won't make him come sit with me...

Posted by: Chi at August 18, 2015 08:42 PM (lboSL)

495 this was a thing said on *this* blog

The AOSHQ design is just unfriendly to the browser, not to the reader. That is, it probably drives the browser crazy trying to make sense of the HTML code, but it doesn't pop up windows like crazy and autoplay ads all down the sidebar.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 18, 2015 08:42 PM (2lndx)

496 465 >>>I still go to Breitbart on occasion, and occasionally will link to it just because the name throws the left in a tizzy, but it is sad just how unfriendly, technologically, the site has become.

this was a thing said on *this* blog
Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:36 PM (dciA+)

Oh, well that's part of the charm of aoshq.

It's kind a throw back to the shitty days of the internet.

Like going to the tiny neighborhood bar with a disgusting bathroom and foamy kegs. It's got "character."

Breitbart just has overwhelming cheesy free porno site-level amounts of ads, which makes it unviewable on any device without adblocker.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 18, 2015 08:42 PM (AkOaV)

497 421 I like Heart. Somehow I was the last one who didn't realize REO Speedwagon was ghay.
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:28 PM (kvWer)


They were ghey ghey or was it just their music that was ghey?

I can't name a single REO Speedwagon song. Just never got into them.

That was a great thread last night. 1600+ comments.

Posted by: The Metaphor Referee at August 18, 2015 08:43 PM (sdi6R)

498 They should at least half assedly fix Social Security. Keep it together until I croak.
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:40 PM (kvWer)


I've been saying SS wouldn't be there when I retired since I was 25. I'm just north of 55 now and see no reason to change my opinion.

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 08:43 PM (JvPqF)

499 (Getting at the real struggle is to not be caught, hence, the battle is against society and its detections .)

I don't get it. It is pretty sick if the object is to not get caught, and not some actual gain. Don't want to get caught out in murder? Don't commit the murder.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 08:43 PM (rwI+c)

500 Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:35 PM (dciA+)

You ever lived in a small town?

Trust me it's hell sometimes. They have nothing to do but mind each other's business. Without all the information or knowledge of the facts your neighbors will have no compunction about telling you what you're doing wrong, when and why and what you should do to correct this fallacy in your thought processes.

And I'm quite sure this kinda shit has gone on for thousands of years. So don't let it make you sick. It just is part of being human and living in proximity for whatever reason and interacting for whatever reason.

It will never get better but sometimes it gets less worse.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 08:43 PM (x3GpS)

501 That being said, can we stop pretending these consultants and "political professionals" are trained professionals who should be trusted

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 18, 2015 08:39 PM (AkOaV)


Exactly. Whenever I see "political consultant" or "political strategist" I think, "moronic douchebag with no identifiable skills".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2015 08:43 PM (MYSVz)

502 My drama for the evening? My dog is mad at me because I came home smelling like the new puppy from around the corner. Even two bacon flavored treats won't make him come sit with me...
Posted by: Chi


I read that as "pussy," not "puppy."

My mind is still reeling from the logical consequences.

Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2015 08:44 PM (jBuUi)

503 This is why we can't have nice things. The consultant class and basically everyone else in D.C. are clueless. Do not doubt that even if Hilda is behind bars, GOP operatives still could fuck up and get her elected.

Posted by: She looks great in blaze orange at August 18, 2015 08:44 PM (pq97T)

504 Al Bester will read your mind.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2015 08:41 PM (W5DcG)


GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!

Posted by: Commander Jeffrey Sinclair at August 18, 2015 08:44 PM (JvPqF)

505 tsk tsk Chi...

Serves you right, cheating on Tucker like that.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 08:44 PM (zyIlW)

506 >>"A murder is a contest between the individual and society, with the target the prize."

Heh. Now there's a way to make murder sound all rebellious 'n stuff. Sounds like an interesting book...*opens amazon.com*

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 08:44 PM (NOIQH)

507 Ace, what are you currently reading? And more importantly, what are you drinking?

(St. Augustine's "Confessions" and Deep Eddy's Ruby Red Vodka, if you care)

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 18, 2015 08:44 PM (jR7Wy)

508 OK any of you morons sign up for Ashley Madison, you've been busted.



They were hacked and ALL their data was released today.



http://tinyurl.com/ozo5xmk

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:45 PM (0FSuD)

509 I had lots of consultants.

Had.

Posted by: Ivan IV Vasilyevich at August 18, 2015 08:45 PM (ZCFje)

510 Quel est cet argument?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 18, 2015 08:45 PM (2lndx)

511 George will 's problem is not that he's never been in that bar, it's that he's afraid to go in and talk to the people that go there. Trump isn't. And I am not a trump fan.
George will is part of the problem.

Posted by: simplemind at August 18, 2015 08:45 PM (BTnAK)

512 GOPe: hey we don't like your playbook

Trump: pfft, have you seen my fabulous poling results?

the rest of the candidates: I need to get in on Trump's playbook

Posted by: Jake at August 18, 2015 08:45 PM (Bzyfx)

513 Exactly. Whenever I see "political consultant" or "political strategist" I think, "moronic douchebag with no identifiable skills".
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2015 08:43 PM (MYSVz)

yet every narrative-driven news story ever quotes the same handful of them pushing the same story line as if they're some kind of professional experts to be trusted, and neutral voices of reason.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 18, 2015 08:45 PM (AkOaV)

514 506 Constantly looking over your shoulder wondering if they are onto you just isn't worth it.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:45 PM (kvWer)

515 I thought dogs were supposed to like it if you cam home smelling like other dogs.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2015 08:45 PM (W5DcG)

516 People can sincerely disagree and not be in it for clicks or be a Hillary agent, yes? And not threaten to rape a daughter, or infer someone is a prostitute

Posted by: ThunderB at August 18, 2015 08:45 PM (zOTsN)

517 OK any of you morons sign up for Ashley Madison, you've been busted.

They were hacked and ALL their data was released today.

http://tinyurl.com/ozo5xmk
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:45 PM (0FSuD)


Weren't they hit a couple of weeks ago? Or is this a new one?

Posted by: Commander Jeffrey Sinclair at August 18, 2015 08:46 PM (JvPqF)

518 Is Penthouse still around? I figured the internet, "electronic delivery" of pron had killed all the girlie mags. But I have found memories back in the late 70s, early 80s. Playboy was too tame and Hustler was too sick, but Penthouse was just right.

I managed to get a hold of a copy soon after puberty. I hid that sucker good, way out in an old shed out in the woods. If the folks found it, I was dead.

Hell, with all this available on the internet, I don't know what I would've done back then. If possible, I would have jacked myself to death. Hell, I wonder what the 13 yr old boys do with all that stimulation now. Maybe that's why they're all so fucked up.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 08:46 PM (dvuhZ)

519 O'R should rename his show. O'Reily/Trump we give you the shit!



Trump on again now

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:46 PM (0FSuD)

520 I keep rereading the same books. I got tired of hearing "this book is great" started reading it and thought, "Is that person a moron?"

Poor writing, weak plot, predictable.

I guess the classics are classic for a reason.

And anything Oprah suggests is just horrible.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 08:46 PM (Xa4vS)

521 I read that as "pussy," not "puppy."

My mind is still reeling from the logical consequences.
Posted by: zombie
------------------------------
Well, if I admitted to coming home smelling like the former, it wouldn't be my dog that was mad, I promise!

Posted by: Chi at August 18, 2015 08:46 PM (lboSL)

522 455 >>>Enjoy a drink & your book. This personality shit war will pass

but will it? Has it ever?

i'm so fucking sick of it.

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:35 PM (dciA+)

I'm surprised as an attorney it gets to you this way. The shit wars come and go. Wilson/Coulter will be done shortly. Calm will be present for awhile then something else will come along.

It's your world (blogs & Twitter) do what you have to do, for you

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 08:46 PM (fgSDS)

523 My drama for the evening? My dog is mad at me because I came home smelling like the new puppy from around the corner. Even two bacon flavored treats won't make him come sit with me...
Posted by: Chi at August 18, 2015 08:42 PM (lboSL)

My drama for the weekend is finding a home for my Aunts black lab pup only to get the new owners heart set on getting him and my Aunt canceling. Twice this happened. Done with it.

Posted by: RWC - TEAM ANTI-TWANLOC at August 18, 2015 08:47 PM (XAFOu)

524 >>They were hacked and ALL their data was released today.


Just another reminder that there is no privacy, and every system is likely to be hacked - Target, IRS, OPM, Apple iCloud, Ashley Madison, whatever.

*sigh*

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 08:48 PM (NOIQH)

525 Posted: BB Wolf at August 18, 2015 08:41 PM (qh617)

That is what happens to a French Army when you have a real French general leading it...not the guy from Corsica who had a headache...or something like that.







Posted by: William Eaton at August 18, 2015 08:48 PM (q52Ma)

526 So much drama.
My drama for the evening? My dog is mad at me because I came home smelling like the new puppy from around the corner. Even two bacon flavored treats won't make him come sit with me...
Posted by: Chi at August 18, 2015 08:42 PM (lboSL)


My cat licks himself raw, so I have to hold him down and put soothing, healing salve on his leg. He spends the rest of the night acting like I'm worse than Hitler.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 08:48 PM (Dj0WE)

527 522,

Damn skippy.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 08:48 PM (zyIlW)

528 I listened to my consultants good and hard.

Posted by: Jayavarman VIII at August 18, 2015 08:48 PM (ZCFje)

529 And I'm glad I'm out of it. Didn't like being in that position.

Posted by: RWC - TEAM ANTI-TWANLOC at August 18, 2015 08:48 PM (XAFOu)

530 Weren't they hit a couple of weeks ago? Or is this a new one?

Posted by: Commander Jeffrey Sinclair at August 18, 2015 08:46 PM (JvPqF)

That's right. They told AM to shut down, AM said get fvcked so they released all the data.

Sounds like some radical Baptist or Feminist.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:48 PM (0FSuD)

531 269---I call him the Goldilocks Conservative -- not too Bush, not too Cruz -- just right.
Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2015 08:03 PM (jBuUi)
------------
Heh.
Agree.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 18, 2015 08:48 PM (cN9Sk)

532 >>> the book i'm reading by the way is Afred Bester's "The Demolished Man" which so far is pretty fast-paced and jazzy... it's about a guy who wants to murder a business rival in a future world full of psychics.

Nice. I am going Ye Olde Schoole and reading Tom Jones for the first time. Love it! Can see how it and Crusoe are the great grandaddy of all Western novels. Is bawdier than I thought, heh. I want to weave "misbegotten wench" into a sentence!

Posted by: LizLem at August 18, 2015 08:49 PM (hvf9s)

533 Huh, I might have to read that book ace is reading, doesn't sound predictable.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 08:49 PM (Xa4vS)

534 That's right. They told AM to shut down, AM said get fvcked so they released all the data.

Sounds like some radical Baptist or Feminist.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:48 PM (0FSuD)


It's the Lutherans. It's always the Lutherans.

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 08:49 PM (JvPqF)

535 ...

Posted by: Sitting Bull at August 18, 2015 08:49 PM (ZCFje)

536 AM is what?

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:49 PM (kvWer)

537 It's the Lutherans. It's always the Lutherans.

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 08:49 PM (JvPqF)

That or the Amish.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:50 PM (0FSuD)

538 So now GOP candidates are getting all Trumpy? I don't believe a word of it.

Fuck the GOP.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 18, 2015 08:50 PM (u5gzz)

539 >>And anything Oprah suggests is just horrible.

A lot of good recommendations on the AoSHQ book thread every Sunday. Oregon Muse does a fabulous job, as well as all the suggestions in the comments.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 08:50 PM (NOIQH)

540 AM=Ashley Madison



http://tinyurl.com/ol2mbmb

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:50 PM (0FSuD)

541 And anything Oprah suggests is just horrible.
Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 08:46 PM (Xa4vS)
---
If anybody earnestly presses a book into my hands and says "You simply must read this!", I know it's A) for my betterment, and how do you improve on perfection?, and B) it will lack spine, vigor, juice, and sexplosions.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 18, 2015 08:51 PM (jR7Wy)

542 My drama for the evening? My dog is mad at me because I came home smelling like the new puppy from around the corner. Even two bacon flavored treats won't make him come sit with me...
Posted by: Chi at August 18, 2015 08

Tell Tucker that Dreamer came home without nuts today

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 08:51 PM (fgSDS)

543 So now GOP candidates are getting all Trumpy? I don't believe a word of it.

Fuck the GOP.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 18, 2015 08:50 PM (u5gzz)


Whenever I see "Trumpy" I flash back to the MST3K episode "Pod People." One of the funniest ones they ever did, IMHO.

"Trumpy, you can do stupid things!"

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 08:51 PM (JvPqF)

544 The shit wars come and go.

Is that you, Lahey?

Posted by: Julian at August 18, 2015 08:52 PM (8ix4D)

545 So now GOP candidates are getting all Trumpy? I don't believe a word of it.

In his defense, Walker has been saying this well before Trump; it's just that now he has released a more detailed outline of what he intends.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 18, 2015 08:52 PM (2lndx)

546 #17: Hmm... "bland androids"... Blandroids.

That's got kind of a nice ring to it.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 18, 2015 08:52 PM (wKc1L)

547 Lizzy, I agree, I really enjoy the book thread and have got a few great recommendations.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 08:52 PM (Xa4vS)

548 I don't believe TheRickWilson on this "rape" claim. What's he ever done to make me believe him? He calls me (grassroots) all kinds of names, but I'm supposed to believe him about a "rape" claim? He hates Trump supporters so much it wouldn't surprise me if he's making the whole thing up to make us look bad.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 18, 2015 08:52 PM (xetep)

549 515 I thought dogs were supposed to like it if you cam home smelling like other dogs.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.
------------------------------
Oh - he was happy as a pig in shit for a few minutes, then the light bulb went on.
He looked at me like a stabbed his mother, then jumped down and walked away.

No worries - already have plans to walk him over there to meet "Jackson" tomorrow evening. Might be the first time he's ever seen a dog smaller than him! Should be fun.

Posted by: Chi at August 18, 2015 08:52 PM (lboSL)

550 My consultants suggested Brown Sugar as our battle cry. Did I listen to them?

FREEBIRD~!!!!

Posted by: william wallace at August 18, 2015 08:52 PM (ZCFje)

551 Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:45 PM (0FSuD)

Oooooh, 15,000 people used .mil or .gov emails as part of their profiles on the Ashley Madison accounts? Oh honeys. You be so screwed.

Posted by: LizLem at August 18, 2015 08:52 PM (hvf9s)

552 Just another reminder that there is no privacy, and every system is likely to be hacked - Target, IRS, OPM, Apple iCloud, Ashley Madison, whatever.

*sigh*
Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 08:48 PM (NOIQH)
---
It's safer to just trawl the docks.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 18, 2015 08:52 PM (jR7Wy)

553 SS is being killed by all the government workers gaming the system and getting SSDI (that's disability) and collecting that before they're eligible for a pension or regular SS.

It's government workers because they know the system and take advantage. There's doctors out there and that's all that they do is certify disability.

Cut disability to only those with a real disability and not a headache and watch the viability of SS go back up.

Meanwhile, put all income exposed to FICA but differing rates or something and means test retirement. (if your income from whatever source is above a certain amount, No SS for YOU!)

No double dippers.

Raise the retirement age a couple years to comport with the increased longevity.

Allow opting out if below a certain age. Trouble with this is mismanagement. Perhaps a periodic review would be necessary to make sure people weren't screwing up or getting screwed.

The programs themselves aren't the problem, it's all the tweaks and added coverage that the Dems have loaded on over the years WITH THE GOPe's HELP.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 08:52 PM (x3GpS)

554 It's the Lutherans. It's always the Lutherans.
Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015

Was there jello salad on the server?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 08:52 PM (fgSDS)

555 542,

Don't worry, he won't miss them.

Posted by: The GOPe at August 18, 2015 08:53 PM (zyIlW)

556 One of the central elements of the Walker proposal replaces the Obama weath-based subsidies for health plans with flat tax credits, ranging between $900 and $3,000 per person, based on their age.

These assholes just don't get it - the feral government has NO BUSINESS mucking around in the individual health insurance/care market, AT ALL. NONE ZIP. ZILCH.

The feral government's only responsibility is to make regular interstate commerce of health insurance. That's it. Anything beyond that is un-Constitutional and just, plain stupid.

Walker is a turd.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2015 08:53 PM (MYSVz)

557 Plus those pictures of incredible libraries are worth the click alone.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 08:53 PM (Xa4vS)

558 Read Diana West's article. She nails it.

Trump: Giving Voice to the American "Subconscious"

Mark Steyn and Diana West are tops.


Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 18, 2015 08:54 PM (yox0K)

559 Take a guess as to why we aren't on any retrospective?

Posted by: Milli Vanilli at August 18, 2015 08:54 PM (ZCFje)

560 >>Trump's on again>>

Oh shit. Gotta cut out ,you've been a beautiful audience! G'night everybody!

*runs backstage, turns on OReilly , pulls out legal pad*

Posted by: Scott 'Trump' Walker at August 18, 2015 08:54 PM (Lx5HV)

561 Whenever I see someone labeling themselves a consultant, I ask them how long they've been unemployed.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 08:54 PM (oFCZn)

562 Trump's polls numbers is the physical manifestation of the middle finger to the GOP. And it happens to be a vary successful middle finger.

The more they beat up the Trump the more sympathy vote he gets.

You get someone like Trump when you continuously crap on your voter base.

Hey GOP and RNC go and fund Obama care again and while your add it exempt yourself from it..

Clowns to left, Clowns to right of me.. Here i am stuck in the middle.


Mitch McConnell same as the old boss.

Posted by: Frodus at August 18, 2015 08:55 PM (7OAjN)

563 Oh, and that an asteroid was hitting Earth next month.

I have no pity. I laughed in his face.
Posted by: DangerGirl


So you're sayin' there a chance for SMOD next month?

Posted by: dogfish, thinking of boarding the crazy train at August 18, 2015 08:55 PM (CcOmu)

564 Huh, I might have to read that book ace is reading, doesn't sound predictable.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 08:49 PM (Xa4vS)

Just ordered it, in direct contravention of a standing order to NOT buy more books, at least until a few of the existing piles have been cleared away!!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 08:55 PM (ftVQq)

565 Did Walker call on Boehner and McConnell to resign? No? Oh...

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at August 18, 2015 08:55 PM (08+Yv)

566 Whenever I see "Trumpy" I flash back to the MST3K episode "Pod People." One of the funniest ones they ever did, IMHO.

"Trumpy, you can do stupid things!"
Posted by: filbert


It stinks!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2015 08:55 PM (W5DcG)

567 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 08:52 PM (x3GpS)

And the Feds pay for your attorney to seek SSDI.

Winning!

Posted by: Golfman at August 18, 2015 08:55 PM (48QDY)

568
trumps playbook is right here everyday. free, as Ace says.

But if they don't like free they can hire me for a boatload of money and a helicopter ride.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk giving political consulting advice for free. at August 18, 2015 08:55 PM (ODxAs)

569 LizLem,

Wow.

How fucking dumb do you have to be to use .gov or a .mil addy to creep around?

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 08:55 PM (zyIlW)

570 AM is tame. I remember Laurie Dhue interviewed some D.C whores about their high ranking clientele years ago. (it was serious journalism, honest...)

One was a tranny. And she explained what they liked was, well, the clients mostly wanted to be "bottoms". And some of those bottoms were high Pentagon brass.

So just imagine some buzz-cutted general who likes to take it up the ass from a tranny.

That's what goes on in Washington. And Will says Trump is vulgar.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 08:56 PM (dvuhZ)

571

Just gonna throw this out there:

TRT

Testosterone Replacement Therapy. T-levels drop dramatically after the age of 40. If you find yourself getting emotional about trivial matters...

Coconut oil is said to raise T. Olive oil, too.

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 08:57 PM (DxVXo)

572 Oooooh, 15,000 people used .mil or .gov emails as part of their profiles on the Ashley Madison accounts? Oh honeys. You be so screwed.
Posted by: LizLem at August 18, 2015 08:52 PM (hvf9s)


Nah. Not the Democrats, anyway.

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 08:57 PM (JvPqF)

573 Having too many books is like having too much ammo.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 08:57 PM (rwI+c)

574 Just wait until you all see the new "Trump Wing" of the White House?



Posted by: William Eaton at August 18, 2015 08:57 PM (q52Ma)

575 You think he will add a craps table?

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:58 PM (kvWer)

576 Coconut oil is said to raise T. Olive oil, too.

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 08:57 PM (DxVXo)


Moreso if you're putting it on a hot chick.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2015 08:58 PM (MYSVz)

577
Trumpy episode of MST3K?!?!

Love that one. There's a part when they repeat "...McCloud!" and it cracks me up.

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 08:58 PM (DxVXo)

578 Was there jello salad on the server?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 08:52 PM (fgSDS)


And lo, there were lemon bars, and rumors of lemon bars, and coffee and punch were being served in the basement Fellowship Hall . . .

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 08:59 PM (JvPqF)

579 >>> Wow.

How fucking dumb do you have to be to use .gov or a .mil addy to creep around?
Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 08:55 PM (zyIlW)

So, so dumb. And they have specific descriptions of what each person requested or asked for in an affair tied to those addresses.

Not saying they deserve to be caught...but they kinda do. So, so dumb.

Posted by: LizLem at August 18, 2015 08:59 PM (hvf9s)

580 If you swig olive oil it can cause liver stones to pass.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 08:59 PM (kvWer)

581 I can't do it.
I can not convert you.
That, like the answer to the question, "Is it ok to dismember living babies before they are born, and sell their hearts before they're dead, as long as 1 party gets the quid prop quo?", is more than you are willing to pay for, if you don't know who I am, given your sufficient means.
You're either an American, or you aren't.
We either have a country-- and a credo-- or we don't.
My bona fides are certain. Pay me an appropriate fee, and I will make it simple for you, fool.
The rest of you, no warriors fallen, blood shed or service rendered, in OUR GLORIOUS CAUSE... you are welcome to prove it. Prove you are not a Commie, boy-loving, cock-sucking, druggie?
Welcome!

Posted by: Son of the American Revolution... also, molon labe at August 18, 2015 08:59 PM (7k1Wh)

582 I filed my spear on the skulls of consultants.

Didn't really work, but ya'know.

Posted by: Shaka ... Zulu at August 18, 2015 09:00 PM (ZCFje)

583 >>OK any of you morons sign up for Ashley Madison, you've been busted.
They were hacked and ALL their data was released today.
"One analysis of email addresses found in the data dump also shows that some 15,000 are .mil. or .gov addresses."
_________________________

Shit.
*hic*

Posted by: John Boehner at August 18, 2015 09:00 PM (c7vUv)

584 Next time you leave the house, I'm changing the locks and calling a lawyer.

Posted by: Chi's dog at August 18, 2015 09:00 PM (DGrkU)

585 the book i'm reading by the way is Afred Bester's "The Demolished Man"
---
Oops, just answered my own question.

"The Stars My Destination" by Bester would make a great movie, if great science fiction movies were being made:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stars_My_Destination

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 18, 2015 09:00 PM (jR7Wy)

586 584,

Heheh.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 09:01 PM (zyIlW)

587 Why wouldn't you use an alias or a nick on AM? The stupid is strong with these ones.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 09:02 PM (kvWer)

588 Anybody on AM deserves to be shamed. Lamest shit ever. Have people no pride? Damn idiots. Not even moron worthy.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 18, 2015 09:02 PM (ucDmr)

589 BBC 'reports' that skyscrapers in NYC create more 'income inequality'.


seriously...



Posted by: logprof's sockpuppet at August 18, 2015 09:02 PM (8CdUx)

590 We actually had nothing but consultants.

Posted by: Hot Pockets creative team at August 18, 2015 09:02 PM (ZCFje)

591 The Costume Consultants on Thor will surely bake a gay wedding cake.

NTTAWWT.

Posted by: RWC - TEAM ANTI-TWANLOC at August 18, 2015 09:03 PM (XAFOu)

592 Mitch McConnell same as the old boss.


Posted by: Frodus at August 18, 2015 08:55 PM (7OAjN)


I am almost persuaded to believe that after the 2014 election, the lizard people shape-shifted Pelosi and Boehner, and Reid and McConnell because darn if I can see any substantive difference in the "quality" or substance of any piece of legislation that has occurred since Nov 2015.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 09:03 PM (ftVQq)

593 "Trumpy, you can do stupid things!"
Posted by: filbert

It stinks!


I like potatoes

Posted by: Trumpy at August 18, 2015 09:03 PM (BO/km)

594 Used my $10 25% off Aldi coupon.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 09:03 PM (kvWer)

595 494
So much drama.
My drama for the evening? My dog is mad at me because I came home smelling like the new puppy from around the corner. Even two bacon flavored treats won't make him come sit with me...
Posted by: Chi at August 18, 2015 08:42 PM (lboSL)


My current drama is that one cat keeps peeing on the bed. He's eight years old and just started doing it a couple of months ago. I took him to the vet and he's in perfect health.

I started covering the bed with a plastic shower curtain when it's not in use. That has helped somewhat, but the night before last he did it while I was sleeping. I rolled over during the night, and eww!

Last night I slept with the door closed, which I hate to do because my other cat likes to sleep in the bed rather than pee in it. But I'll be damned if I'm going to use a shower curtain for a bedspread.

So there's some sort of territorial thing going on, and I don't know what to do about it.

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 09:03 PM (sdi6R)

596 Thank You Donald Trump.
A bag of popcorn indeed, especially since he seems to be moving the field towards confrontation of the Establishment political class.
Remember this about Walker, he is a man of his word. You can check for yourself at his previous jobs, if he says he will or won't do something and has any control of the situation, that is what will happen.

But back to the point. If not for The Donald, all the candidates will still be playing it polite, quiet, and safe.
Mr. Bluster changed all that, and it's a good thing.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 18, 2015 09:03 PM (XmOA9)

597 So.

It's now turned into a contest to see who will be Trump's VP?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 09:03 PM (x3GpS)

598 Apropos of nothing, Windows10 seems to be patching every couple of days.

It's not the most comfortable feeling.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 18, 2015 09:03 PM (rwI+c)

599 Hro,

ace let you use his time machine?

Lucky.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 09:04 PM (zyIlW)

600 Why wouldn't you use an alias or a nick on AM? The stupid is strong with these ones.


Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 09:02 PM (kvWer)


Credit card charges,


at least that's what a friend told me.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 09:04 PM (ftVQq)

601 Natalie Portman is in Thor?

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 09:04 PM (kvWer)

602 Yertle and Boner Johnny have been bottoms for Barry for a long time now...

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 09:04 PM (oFCZn)

603 >>Not saying they deserve to be caught...but they kinda do. So, so dumb.

While it's hard to have sympathy for Ashley Madison subscribers, the bottom line is that people have had what was promised to be secured business transaction exposed by criminals who were blackmailing a business. They may have been breaking their vows, but they were not committing any crime (that I know of). This is like the hacked and leaked celebrity photos.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 09:05 PM (NOIQH)

604 Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 09:03 PM (ftVQq)

They either mind melded or they took some very very heavy acid.

And it was bummer, man.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 09:05 PM (x3GpS)

605 I think I'll stick with Windows 7. How do you tell that icon to fruck off?

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 09:05 PM (kvWer)

606 I like potatoes
Posted by: Trumpy at August 18, 2015 09:03 PM (BO/km)


(eyes a kitten)

Oh! New potato!

Posted by: Trumpy at August 18, 2015 09:05 PM (JvPqF)

607 Natalie Portman is in Thor?
Posted by: Boss Moss


Slow pitch softball right there.

Posted by: dogfish at August 18, 2015 09:06 PM (CcOmu)

608 BBC 'reports' that skyscrapers in NYC create more 'income inequality'.


seriously...

Posted by: logprof's sockpuppet at August 18, 2015 09:02 PM (8CdUx)


One of the funniest things I learned when I lived in New York was that in a lot of the old co-ops, the penthouses were servants quarters. That's why a lot of those buildings have elevators that only go to one or two floors below the top and you have to walk up the rest. Now, those are the most expensive spaces in those buildings. I can only imagine how lefties would have been crying their eyes out for the poor servants who were forced to live at the tops of the buildings ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2015 09:06 PM (MYSVz)

609 Crystal Pepsi

Posted by: high mark of consultants everywhere at August 18, 2015 09:06 PM (ZCFje)

610 601 Natalie Portman is in Thor?
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 09:04 PM (kvWer)

Yeah. (Not knowing if your kidding or not). But yeah, she's in it.

Posted by: RWC - TEAM ANTI-TWANLOC at August 18, 2015 09:06 PM (XAFOu)

611 "Apropos of nothing, Windows10 seems to be patching every couple of days."

Yeah, I noticed that too.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 18, 2015 09:07 PM (u5gzz)

612 570
So just imagine some buzz-cutted general who likes to take it up the ass from a tranny.

That's what goes on in Washington. And Will says Trump is vulgar.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 08:56 PM (dvuhZ)


The analogy with the late decadent Roman Empire is probably more accurate than we'd like to believe.

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 09:07 PM (sdi6R)

613 for more T, lose weight and pump iron in bursts

the direct effect fades a bit as you age, but there are plenty of other benefits

the fire's always there, but more like old whiskey

could be worse

Posted by: Feh at August 18, 2015 09:08 PM (Uk9e2)

614 Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 09:04 PM (zyIlW)

Oops, yeah shoulda been

"Nov 2014"

But I bet it will be true in Nov 2015 as well!

Crawls away...

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 09:08 PM (ftVQq)

615 >>>Coconut oil is said to raise T. Olive oil, too.

I pity the fool who sprinkled olive oil and coconut oil on me!

Hey! Why am I levitatin'?

Posted by: Mr. T at August 18, 2015 09:08 PM (DGrkU)

616 Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 09:05 PM (kvWer)

Google: remove windows 10 icon.

Yes it's become such a thing that there's whole blogs written about the stupidity of MS doing this and how to remove it PERMANENTLY from your screen.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 09:08 PM (x3GpS)

617 Be careful about the T-replacement. There are concerns about strokes and heart attacks and all. If the level is below 300(whatever units are standard), then replacement is "medically warranted" and the insurance will usually cover it. About 300 and many won't, even though it might do some good. I think 900 (units?) is the high end.

Anyway, mine registered at 225 the last physical and the doc talked me into take some T shots (in the ass, of course). It was that low likely due to some medication I have to take (long story).

Now, about 2 -3 days after the shot, well, I got horny as hell. Hadn't been that damned horny in years. It wasn't like I as 19, where I was dry humping the furniture every 5 minutes, but it was something to see.

Unfortunately there are some other side effects. When your T level shoots up, the feedback system notices and ramps down the signals to make more T, as well as some other hormones that are needed for some other functions. It's complicated.

I don't want to go TMI, but let me say nearly "dry heaves", if you can figure that out. Everything worked before, even at that low of a level, but with the T shots, the function is getting screwed up a little.

This all varies with the individual, mind you. But hormone replacement is a can of worms.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 09:08 PM (dvuhZ)

618 The analogy with the late decadent Roman Empire is probably more accurate than we'd like to believe.
Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 09:07 PM (sdi6R)


Too much money, combined with not enough common sense and moral character. Utterly predictable results.

Posted by: Trumpy at August 18, 2015 09:08 PM (JvPqF)

619 >>So there's some sort of territorial thing going on, and I don't know what to do about it.
Posted by: rickl


You could try pissing on the cat's bed.

Posted by: Aviator at August 18, 2015 09:10 PM (c7vUv)

620 600 Why wouldn't you use an alias or a nick on AM? The stupid is strong with these ones.


Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 09:02 PM (kvWer)

Credit card charges,


at least that's what a friend told me.
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 09:04 PM (ftVQq)

That's what prepaid debit cards are for.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 18, 2015 09:10 PM (mx5oN)

621 Posted by: Boss Moss at August 18, 2015 09:05 PM (kvWer)

There's a windows update that puts this on your desktop or whatever. Remove the update and it stops coming back.

Kinda like malware IMO.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 09:10 PM (x3GpS)

622

This all varies with the individual, mind you. But hormone replacement is a can of worms.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 09:08 PM (dvuhZ)

No shit
Posted by: trannies everywhere

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 09:10 PM (fgSDS)

623 Fist bump little Sis





Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 08:27 PM (fgSDS)



*fist bump*

(late to the party because watching old China Beach eppys)

And if I'm your little Sis, you must be 50+ years old...old man.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 18, 2015 09:10 PM (q20+R)

624 I think I'll stick with Windows 7. How do you tell that icon to fruck off?
Posted by: Boss Moss


http://tinyurl.com/o9k9hno

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2015 09:11 PM (W5DcG)

625 >>>Clowns to left, Clowns to right of me.. Here i am stuck in the middle.

Mitch McConnell same as the old boss.
Posted by: Frodus at August 18, 2015 08:55 PM (7OAjN)

Won't get fooled again???

Posted by: The Who's Johnny? at August 18, 2015 09:11 PM (hvf9s)

626 A woody in the morning is a joy to behold or be held.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 09:11 PM (x3GpS)

627 Obligatory ZZ Top Woke Up With Wood:

http://tinyurl.com/lsuvvp4

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 09:12 PM (x3GpS)

628 476 the book i'm reading by the way is Afred Bester's "The Demolished Man"

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 08:38 PM (dciA+)

"Tenser said the tensor!"

The ending blew my mind, back when I read it. I think I was 10. Great book.

Posted by: @votermom at August 18, 2015 09:12 PM (cbfNE)

629 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 09:05 PM (x3GpS)

Dayum, they took the brown acid anyway!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 09:12 PM (ftVQq)

630 One analysis of email addresses found in the data dump also shows that some 15,000 are .mil. or .gov addresses.

don't look for @clintonemail addresses, don't look for @clintonemail addresses ...

Posted by: some dumpy harridan somewhere at August 18, 2015 09:13 PM (8ix4D)

631 What's all this then about Rick Nelson? My older sisters thought he was dreamy.

Posted by: Northernlurker at August 18, 2015 09:13 PM (4rzL1)

632 Our Preznit, beside his devil-worship, is also an accomplished cock-sucker. Take my word for it. I trained him well.
As far as homo sex, his preferred ode, he is a boylover, bacha bazi in re, Paki- L'il Syed, et al, or brown-skinned,- preferred.
That's not to say he won't sell his Wookie-ette daughter to a Chink Commie premiere.
In fact, it almost has to be.

Posted by: Party #47544 at August 18, 2015 09:13 PM (7k1Wh)

633 And if I'm your little Sis, you must be 50+ years old...old man.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 18

That be me

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 09:13 PM (fgSDS)

634 zz top never gets old

Posted by: Feh at August 18, 2015 09:13 PM (Uk9e2)

635 The analogy with the late decadent Roman Empire is probably more accurate than we'd like to believe.
Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 09:07 PM (sdi6R)

Too much money, combined with not enough common sense and moral character. Utterly predictable results.
Posted by: Trumpy at August 18, 2015 09:08 PM (JvPqF)


Which side of the US is going to go Byzantine?

Are we going to go with Mexicans for Germanic barbarians?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 18, 2015 09:14 PM (0NdlF)

636 there are places that will let you use any name you wish for charges to your card. It's like a proxy email.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 09:14 PM (x3GpS)

637 That's what prepaid debit cards are for.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 18, 2015 09:10 PM (mx5oN)

For those that think with the right head!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 09:15 PM (ftVQq)

638 http://www.thefrisky.com/2015-08-16/bear-sticks-head-through-cat-door-is-derpy-as-hell/

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 09:16 PM (zyIlW)

639 rickl,
I have a funny story about Tucker that is closely related to your cat - but I'm in the middle of Cinderella Man (never saw it) and it just got good.

Basically, after I had him house trained, he would still shit in one spot in the house. Ex's step-dad's bed. We never figured out why (other than that he was a grade-A dickhead).

Posted by: Chi at August 18, 2015 09:16 PM (z8+9E)

640 don't look for @clintonemail addresses, don't look for @clintonemail addresses ...
Posted by: some dumpy harridan somewhere at August 18, 2015 09:13 PM (8ix4D)


Hillary in the AM hacker dump? Wouldn't that just be precious if it were to ensue?

Of course, Huma would be furious. Bill would probably just laugh (since he'd probably be the one who signed Hill up in the first place.)

I have the idea that they're nice people, the Clintons.

Heh.

Posted by: Trumpy at August 18, 2015 09:16 PM (JvPqF)

641 That be me

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 09:13 PM (fgSDS)



Aw, old man. I'm not afraid or ashamed to be your little (asshole) sis.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 18, 2015 09:16 PM (q20+R)

642 Which side of the US is going to go Byzantine?

Are we going to go with Mexicans for Germanic barbarians?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 18, 2015 09:14 PM (0NdlF)


Texas would be a good bet to outlast the USA by a thousand years, if it comes down to it. They'd take at least half of the other states with them, too.

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 09:18 PM (JvPqF)

643 I'd look to Chinese history, there's no Constantine in the wings, and Gelasius would get his ass audited

Posted by: Feh at August 18, 2015 09:18 PM (Uk9e2)

644 (taps desk, contemplates changing my nick permanently to "Trumpy" . . . )

(Reluctantly decides against.)

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 09:19 PM (JvPqF)

645 Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 09:18 PM (JvPqF)

I'd watch the thousand year reference.

No entity yet has made good on that one.

Almost as if some force somewhere was interfering because of PRIDE.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 09:19 PM (x3GpS)

646
Some of the released names so far:

Carlos.Danger@huma1.com

Bill.Clinton @ prezzywood.com

Al.Sharpton @ freakhead.com

Remington.Steele @ ironshot.com


That last one seems fake though.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk giving political consulting advice for free. at August 18, 2015 09:19 PM (ODxAs)

647 how about "hazelnut"

Posted by: Feh at August 18, 2015 09:20 PM (Uk9e2)

648 I'm very late to commenting on the comments stuff Ace was talking about before the thread devolving into whatever the horde is talking about (burning the midnight oil at work will do that). But I had to say, one thing this blog has that other blogs don't, is intelligent commentators. There's a reason Andrew Breitbart only read the comments. Because you go Breitbart, Hot Air, or any of these other conservative blogs, and the commentators are barely functioning mental midgets. Of course consultants are not going to read comments at blogs to get a sense of where the base is, you look at the comments at some of these places and you want to shoot yourself after 5 minutes. This is an unique place that you won't find anywhere else.

Posted by: Brenden at August 18, 2015 09:20 PM (wa+SP)

649 638 http://www.thefrisky.com/2015-08-16/bear-sticks-head-through-cat-door-is-derpy-as-hell/
Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 09:16 PM (zyIlW)


Well hi there.

Hope that door is reinforced.

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 09:20 PM (sdi6R)

650 I'd watch the thousand year reference.

No entity yet has made good on that one.

Almost as if some force somewhere was interfering because of PRIDE.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 09:19 PM (x3GpS)


Good point. Hubris be bad.

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 09:20 PM (JvPqF)

651 >>don't look for @clintonemail addresses, don't look for @clintonemail addresses ...

Bill prefers to jet off to Friend Epstein's Pedo Island. No fuss, no muss, and *no paper trail*.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 09:20 PM (NOIQH)

652 http://www.thefrisky.com/2015-08-16/bear-sticks-head-through-cat-door-is-derpy-as-hell/
Posted by: SMFH at it all


Lookin' for a pick a nick basket.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2015 09:22 PM (W5DcG)

653 Trump. Ya just gotta respect a man that wears his personal honey badger on his head.

Posted by: tart cherry at August 18, 2015 09:22 PM (KlwRj)

654 Soothie. A comedian made a joke about Palins daughter being raped. The whole world knew it wasn't serious. Outrage. But this is OK?
Posted by: ThunderB at August 18, 2015 08:14 PM (zOTsN)

No it isn't okay. But if one guy sends an email about raping my daughter, the response isn't going to be to complain about it on twitter and blame a website. You report it to the cops and say nothing publicly. Why let the loser know he got in your head? Wilson's on the Internet, does he not know that the loonies are loose?

Posted by: WOPR at August 18, 2015 09:22 PM (nRvEn)

655 Bill prefers to jet off to Friend Epstein's Pedo Island. No fuss, no muss, and *no paper trail*.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 09:20 PM (NOIQH)


I request a callback to the chemtrails comment somewhere upthread.

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 09:22 PM (JvPqF)

656 Have a wonderful night, Horde.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 18, 2015 09:22 PM (q20+R)

657 @648 yup

Posted by: Genetic Freedom at August 18, 2015 09:22 PM (7k1Wh)

658 Still wiping.

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at August 18, 2015 09:23 PM (Dwehj)

659 Cats have been known to hold their own vs. bears, though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0wSXxa3TlY

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 09:24 PM (sdi6R)

660
656 Have a wonderful night, Horde.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod

Kick ass tomorrow DG

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 09:24 PM (fgSDS)

661 >>This is an unique place that you won't find anywhere else.

Yes, this is a special blog - because of the *excellent posts* and the comments.

Some other sites that have decent (if not nearly as numerous or feisty) comments are Neoneocon, Bookwormroon, Michelle's Mirror, Instapundit, and PJ Media's Belmont Club page.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 09:25 PM (NOIQH)

662 Cats have been known to hold their own vs. bears, though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0wSXxa3TlY
Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 09:24 PM (sdi6R)


Alligators, too. Well, smallish alligators, anyway.

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 09:25 PM (JvPqF)

663 This one guy on "Bloodline" looks a little like ex-Halen bassist Michael Anthony.

Posted by: Telefunken at August 18, 2015 09:26 PM (8ix4D)

664 That video of kitty chasing the bear is hilarious.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 09:26 PM (zyIlW)

665 Out, damned spot! out, I say! One; two: why, then, 'tis time to do 't. Hell is murky!

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at August 18, 2015 09:26 PM (Dwehj)

666 Posted by: WOPR at August 18, 2015 09:22 PM (nRvEn)

A. he did report it. he didn't feel he had to update the world about it.

B. we don't know all that went on there and all of the parties haven't brought any approbation upon themselves by their tweets and emails.

C. It's the internet and the media. Which means who knows what really happened and what was said that isn't being repeated.

Me. I'd leave it lie and let whatever damage that's been done be done and over for whoever deserves it. It's not for us to argue about here because nothing said will change what's been said.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 09:27 PM (x3GpS)

667 Looks like Jared Fogle is going to be choosing between a six inch or twelve inch meatball from now on.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 09:28 PM (oFCZn)

668 You remember some of that seemingly crazy conspiracy talk that crops up so often. It goes that the power elite, the "They" that run the world, hook their politician puppets by catering to the sexual proclivities. And they encourage it, getting them to go as sick they can.

They then gather the evidence and file for insurance. If the puppet goes rogue, they ruin him. And it involved really sick shit, pedo shit. You remember some of the scandals in Hollywood, where some child actor (mostly boys) talks about how the big moguls passed him around like a joint at some of the parties. There was another "elite pedo-ring" thing that broke in the UK recently, I believe.

At any rate, as corrupt as Washington is I've come to realize, I can easily believe this kind of crap now.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 09:28 PM (dvuhZ)

669 667
Looks like Jared Fogle is going to be choosing between a six inch or twelve inch meatball from now on.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 09:28 PM (oFCZn)
$5 dollar foot long

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 18, 2015 09:28 PM (0O7c5)

670 Did you wipe that server Ms. Clinton?

Yes, but I only used one square.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 09:28 PM (x3GpS)

671 9mm v. .45

Thor versus Storm

Posted by: RWC - TEAM ANTI-TWANLOC at August 18, 2015 09:29 PM (XAFOu)

672 >So now we start getting that sort of rhetoric.

That it comes too late betrays a certain... lack of authenticity.

Fool us for 30 years, shame on you; fool us once more, shame on us.

Posted by: Agent J at August 18, 2015 09:29 PM (ueOgE)

673 A comedian made a joke about Palins daughter being raped. The whole world knew it wasn't serious. Outrage. But this is OK?

Posted by: ThunderB at August 18, 2015 08:14 PM (zOTsN)


I haven't followed this thing at all, but what little I've read makes it appear that this is no different than the question Bernard Shaw asked of Dukakis at the debate.

The thing about Letterman and Palin's daughter was that it was so totally gratuitous and uncalled for, having nothing to do with anything.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2015 09:29 PM (MYSVz)

674 669
667

Looks like Jared Fogle is going to be choosing between a six inch or twelve inch meatball from now on.



Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 09:28 PM (oFCZn)
$5 dollar foot long


Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 18, 2015 09:28 PM (0O7c5)

Foot long spicy italian with double meat.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 09:29 PM (oVJmc)

675 Yeah. Jared. I was trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. I shoulda known better.

I'm ashamed I defended him. (that was before this latest announcement of his plea deal)

Never go out on a limb for people you don't know. And sometimes not people you do know either.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 09:31 PM (x3GpS)

676 That foot long is Yuuuge!

Posted by: Jared at August 18, 2015 09:31 PM (Dwehj)

677

670 Did you wipe that server Ms. Clinton?

Yes, but I only used one square.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That

Who knew Sheryl Crow was into IT?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 09:31 PM (fgSDS)

678 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 18, 2015 09:31 PM (KCxzN)

679 Cat vs. alligator:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiyWXQyAJ44

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 09:32 PM (sdi6R)

680
I haven't followed this thing at all, but what little I've read makes it appear that this is no different than the question Bernard Shaw asked of Dukakis at the debate.

You might've got that impression from me *guessing* what was in the email for argument's sake.

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 09:32 PM (DxVXo)

681 The thing about Letterman and Palin's daughter was
that it was so totally gratuitous and uncalled for, having nothing to do
with anything.


Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair


Sure it was. He was counting coup on Palin for his peers.

Go ahead Dave, make fun of the Palin's again.

Atta boy!

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...not Spartacus at August 18, 2015 09:32 PM (+1T7c)

682 Look up a male pornstar called "Danny D." Now, if some porn starlet comes out and says she banged Trump and he was bigger than Danny D., I'll vote for him.

At first blush, you'll wonder if it's real, and he's a Brit at that. But that guy takes the cake, at least of those function and with enough control for the job.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 09:33 PM (dvuhZ)

683 What bothers me is they're not even trying to hide their disdain of the electorate.

They're practically coming out and saying "Eat cake bitches".

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 09:33 PM (x3GpS)

684 That's a good book, ace, I think you'll enjoy it.

G'night, all !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 18, 2015 09:34 PM (go6ud)

685 Still wiping.
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at August 18, 2015 09:23 PM (Dwehj)


Use both sides!

Posted by: Sheryl Crow at August 18, 2015 09:34 PM (+jijM)

686 I crashed myself just to get away from that crazy bitch.

Posted by: Brad the car at August 18, 2015 09:34 PM (BO/km)

687 Look up a male pornstar called "Danny D."

Yes! That's a capital idea!

Posted by: Assorted Deadly Malware at August 18, 2015 09:34 PM (Dwehj)

688 The Many Signs That Idiocracy Is Almost Upon Us.

http://tinyurl.com/prb579t

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 09:35 PM (zyIlW)

689 Damn Natalie Portman has some big ear canals.


*stupid shit I notice

Posted by: RWC - TEAM ANTI-TWANLOC at August 18, 2015 09:36 PM (XAFOu)

690 Jared?
I guess you mean he's going to prison?

Looks like he'll be getting the 12" Black Forrest Ham from now on...

Posted by: Chi at August 18, 2015 09:37 PM (z8+9E)

691 Walker and Cruz. Cruz and Walker. Toss some Jindal in there and some Carson or Fiorina as VP and the GOP is pretty well covered in the diversity sweepstakes.

Posted by: cm9000 at August 18, 2015 09:37 PM (8zCR+)

692 You might've got that impression from me *guessing* what was in the email for argument's sake.

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 09:32 PM (DxVXo)


Oh. Well ... I trust your conjecture. I've seen so many more unthreatening things that have been promoted to "the greatest threats ever in history" on the net, but then when you read them you are baffled by where the threat might even be. Either an "I wish" is reinterpreted as "I am going to" or somethign else like that.

In any event, now I know even less about the specifics of this twitter spat than before. I think I'll be happy to keep it this way.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2015 09:38 PM (MYSVz)

693 Well I think a lot of them know. But it's the same problem as always. Consultants saying "oh you can't say that! You'll turn people off!" And then there are the donors that are a part of the establishment waving their checkbook and telling them they better be careful who they attack.

Posted by: Uhura at August 18, 2015 09:38 PM (z/Ubi)

694 Looks like he'll be getting the 12" Black Forrest Ham from now on...

...with lots of that special Chipotle sauce.

Posted by: Assorted Deadly Malware at August 18, 2015 09:38 PM (Dwehj)

695 Walker and Cruz. Cruz and Walker. Toss some Jindal in there and some Carson or Fiorina as VP and the GOP is pretty well covered in the diversity sweepstakes.
Posted by: cm9000 at August 18, 2015 09:37 PM (8zCR+)


With a few notable exceptions, the Republican field would over ally make a pretty solid Cabinet for President Cruz (or President Walker).

Needs more John Bolton, though.

Posted by: filbert at August 18, 2015 09:39 PM (JvPqF)

696 Anyone know where I can invest in Trump Halloween masks?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 18, 2015 09:40 PM (9mTYi)

697 Looks like Jared Fogle is going to be choosing between a six inch or twelve inch meatball from now on.
>>>

There is an Italian BMT joke here but I'll let you sort it out.

Posted by: Willy J at August 18, 2015 09:40 PM (9ET6q)

698 http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86&post=358547#c24072073

You're right. "Repeal and replace" says that people were not happy with their insurance. But we know they were, overwhelmingly.

Posted by: skzion at August 18, 2015 09:40 PM (sLBC1)

699 ...with lots of that special Chipotle sauce.
Posted by: Assorted Deadly Malware at August 18, 2015 09:38 PM (Dwehj)

Hold the pickle, hold the mayo special orders don't upset us

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 18, 2015 09:40 PM (fgSDS)

700 671

Thor versus Storm
Posted by: RWC - TEAM ANTI-TWANLOC at August 18, 2015 09:29 PM (XAFOu)

Storm. Because boobs.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 18, 2015 09:42 PM (mx5oN)

701 "60 Does this mean that Trump's advisor reads blogs?"

I'm sure. Or maybe it's Coulter who reads them, adopts her latest position, and Trump reads her.

Posted by: skzion at August 18, 2015 09:43 PM (sLBC1)

702 The ubamacare is here to stay. Until America runs out of money. And before Americas is flat broke, first to go will be VA benefits, Retired Military pay, Social Security, and welfare (in all its evil permutations).

Posted by: Eromero at August 18, 2015 09:43 PM (go5uR)

703 Posted by: Insomniac at August 18, 2015 09:42 PM (mx5oN

Well, can't argue with that.

Posted by: RWC - TEAM ANTI-TWANLOC at August 18, 2015 09:44 PM (XAFOu)

704 Damn Natalie Portman has some big ear canals.
*stupid shit I notice

Posted by: RWC


Some one left a dental appliance in Keira Knightly's pie-hole.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2015 09:44 PM (ZCFje)

705 Hold the pickle, hold the mayo special orders don't upset us
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
------------------------------
BK found that "lettuce" rhymed with "upset us" better.
Don't quit your day job to start writing jingles.

Posted by: Chi at August 18, 2015 09:46 PM (z8+9E)

706 702 The ubamacare is here to stay. Until America runs out of money. And before Americas is flat broke, first to go will be VA benefits, Retired Military pay, Social Security, and welfare (in all its evil permutations).
Posted by: Eromero at August 18, 2015 09:43 PM (go5uR)


That's why I think an economic collapse might have a silver lining. Socialized medicine hasn't become entrenched here like it has in many other countries. When the economy implodes there won't be any money for that nonsense.

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 09:47 PM (sdi6R)

707 Stripper Thor vs Storm

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at August 18, 2015 09:47 PM (Kucy5)

708 Here's my intel.


Trump has always toyed with running. He knows coulter.


We know from interviews that coulter met with him and gave him advance copy of her book. She probably told him this is THE issue.

He read it was shocked and thus his stand now.

He still will ave dinner w coulter once in a while.

Posted by: Prescient11 at August 18, 2015 09:48 PM (VMZsK)

709
it is 79 degrees and 74% humidity

steamy and gross

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 09:49 PM (DxVXo)

710 617 This all varies with the individual, mind you. But hormone replacement is a can of worms.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 09:08 PM (dvuhZ)


I'll most likely be going on T replacement very soon depending upon the results of my recent PSA lab work. Though, I'll be starting with a gel rather than an injectable.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 18, 2015 09:50 PM (EHU9F)

711 You credential bichez must discount 'what I say' (and, will, of course, ignore the Miles Davis recording by the same name).
Deduction is where you can evaluate the truth of the premises and the validity of the logic.
Induction is where there's a mode in the logic. Truth helps, nonetheless.
Aesthetics is where there's no argument, per se, but a decision is needed.





I have just given you the keys to the Kingdom.
Can you understand?

Posted by: High-quality Philosophy B.A., Law School Dropout at August 18, 2015 09:50 PM (7k1Wh)

712 If you really want entertainment, check out the Dems trying to say that Hillary's email issue is just the "evil Republicans". I do not know what kind of drugs you have to be taking to think it's perfectly acceptable for the Secretary of State to have a private email server, that's stored in the bathroom of the company that manages it.

Posted by: notsothoreau at August 18, 2015 09:51 PM (5HBd1)

713 I'm waiting the commercials against Trump's immigration plan:

*outre music from Incredible Hulk tv show plays*

*slow motion camera pan over tired and scared looking brown faces*

*crying baby with loaded diaper sitting in the mud*

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 09:51 PM (oFCZn)

714 The Ashley Madison hackers have dumped their data.

Rotten people hardest hit.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 09:51 PM (oVJmc)

715 Natalie Portman and Keira Knightly are dead-ringers, its why they were cast together in Star Wars.

Posted by: cm9000 at August 18, 2015 09:52 PM (8zCR+)

716 564 get kindle. She doesn't know how many or even what I buy now.

Posted by: simplemind at August 18, 2015 09:53 PM (BTnAK)

717 it is 79 degrees and 74% humidity
------

69 deg, 60%.
Damn near perfect.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 18, 2015 09:53 PM (9mTYi)

718 Looks like Jared Fogle is going to be choosing between a six inch or twelve inch meatball from now on.



No more subs. Just hoagies.

Posted by: bergerbilder at August 18, 2015 09:54 PM (+jijM)

719 What bothers me is they're not even trying to hide their disdain of the electorate.

They're practically coming out and saying "Eat cake bitches".


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 18, 2015 09:33 PM (x3GpS)

Yes in the days of old, the elites despised the peasants, but their breeding and sense of class, noblesse oblige if you will, constrained them to be somewhat discreet about it!
Our modern rulers, in contrast, delight in flaunting their disdain of the common man and don't mind the peasants knowing.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 09:55 PM (ftVQq)

720 https://youtu.be/GaSafi3tHBQ
"The Shepherd is the Lamb.
Do you understand?"
Have a great night, Horde!
Num 6, 24-6

Posted by: Transhumance Guy, on the prairie-forest ecotone at August 18, 2015 09:56 PM (7k1Wh)

721
60% is high

you like it clammy

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 09:56 PM (DxVXo)

722 I was impressed with bester's novel about teleportation. Holds up well and solid philosophical sf.

Posted by: simplemind at August 18, 2015 09:56 PM (BTnAK)

723 Swearing, voyeurism and LOTS of adulterous sex: Is The Scandalous Lady W - the married woman who had 27 lovers - the BBC's most racy costume drama yet?

http://goo.gl/Gn3OXO
==================

Watched this last nite. Heavy on the Rumpy Pumpy. Try to make her into some feminist icon when she was just a rich slut.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 18, 2015 09:56 PM (iQIUe)

724 Walker attacks GOP Establishment?

Trump changes his name to Wile E.Coyote

Sorry i just had to go there. I'm new here..

Posted by: Frodus at August 18, 2015 09:58 PM (7OAjN)

725 I'll most likely be going on T replacement very soon
depending upon the results of my recent PSA lab work. Though, I'll be
starting with a gel rather than an injectable.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 18, 2015 09:50 PM (EHU9F)

Any worries about long term side effects or drug interactions?

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 09:58 PM (ftVQq)

726 Obamacare: I am required to buy health insurance and if I don't my taxes will be higher.

Walkercare: I am NOT required to buy health insurance and if I don't my taxes will be higher.

DO NOT sell me Walkercare by saying I am not required to buy health insurance, my anti-GOPe mind will resort to murder if you do.

Posted by: doug at August 18, 2015 09:59 PM (IYEs/)

727 I'm convinced that when the collapse comes, they'll just start wanton printing of money (doesn't matter if the Fed goes along or not, they'll force 'em if they don't) to keep the checks flowing. It'll be Weimar.

Some argue with that, saying they won't be that stupid, but I'm sure they will. They'll do anything to keep the checks going. Welfare will be the ultimate priority. Cut that off and the cities will be free-fire zones in days once they don't get their checks. Medicare and SS checks will be next priority.

They'll do it, even though anyone with any economic sense whatsoever knows it will go hyperinflation. But they'll do it just to kick the can down the road another day (and maybe try to perfect their own bugout plans to avoid the mobs with pitchforks).

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 09:59 PM (dvuhZ)

728 The stars are my destination. Bester.

Posted by: simplemind at August 18, 2015 09:59 PM (BTnAK)

729 >>you like it clammy

I KNOW clammy.

Posted by: Huma at August 18, 2015 09:59 PM (c7vUv)

730 "Nice to meet you, Dagwood."

Posted by: Jared at August 18, 2015 10:00 PM (+jijM)

731 199 Easier method... get Congress to pass, and President
to sign, a Bill saying it is the sense of the Congress and the
Administration that 'under the Jurisdiction thereof' does not include
illegals... and that is THEIR interpretation of the Constitution.



There is nothing in the Constitution which says the Judiciary gets
to over ride the other TWO branches of Government on interpreting the
Constitution....



ie, set up a DIRECT confrontation with the Supremes on just what
limits their self imposed authority (Marbury?) has.... and is there ANY
check and balance upon it...

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 18, 2015 07:50 PM (qh617)

Or let SCOTUS have its way - illegal aliens are subject to the jurisdiction (in the ultimate sense) are when caught are drafted into the US Foreign Legion, trained up for two weeks and dropped into Syria with an old WWII 1911a and one magazine to pound some ISIS ass (see, got Lissy on board with that plan).

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 18, 2015 10:00 PM (NaeCR)

732 What the hell are you paying consultants for

Consultants offer confirmation. They're not going to say, "try this completely new thing. Nobody else is doing it!!"

Posted by: t-bird at August 18, 2015 10:00 PM (FcR7P)

733 Trump changes his name to Wile E.Coyote>>>

Time to buy ACME stock.

Posted by: Willy J at August 18, 2015 10:01 PM (9ET6q)

734 Yeah. Jared. I was trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. I shoulda known better.

I'm ashamed I defended him.


There was nothing wrong with defending him while the facts were unknown. Now that they are known...

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2015 10:02 PM (W5DcG)

735 Rick Wilson was a pretty decent drummer with the Beach Boys, but was a better songwriter.

That tragic day at the marina though...

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 10:03 PM (oFCZn)

736 @725

I've got concerns, sure, but I'm at the point where the brain fog, extreme lethargy, etc. are becoming too much to bear. The only other meds I take are for my thyroid (as the doctor did confirm that my immune system is beating the shit out of it) and blood pressure. So, eh, we'll see.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 18, 2015 10:04 PM (EHU9F)

737 Coconut oil is said to raise T. Olive oil, too.
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 18, 2015 08:57 PM (DxVXo)

The body requires dietary cholesterol to produce testosterone.
Eat your eggs. And crab .

Also do manly stuff.

Posted by: @votermom at August 18, 2015 10:04 PM (cbfNE)

738 It'll go French revolution. Hyperinflation. Mob riots. Public. Executions until the mob exhausts itself and the military takes over. Then the American Napoleon will seize power by being competent and seeing no one else willing to dare it. History repeats itself because on a macro scale human nature doesn't change. Same shit different century. Tedious to be a vampire - I assume, of course.

Posted by: simplemind at August 18, 2015 10:07 PM (BTnAK)

739 I love all the douche bags cracking on Walker for being more aggressive and in-your-face, anti-establishment. I thought what you people wanted was for more mainstream politicians to be on your side. To take up the issues you say you care about.

I will offer the suggestion to you that a man who has lost exactly 2 elections in 25 years knows how to pivot rhetorically when necessary. Rhetorically. Because it seems that what people are clamoring for isn't actual substance, but a certain kind of rhetoric.

So, Walker, a man with a long history of winning substance, but a similar history of capitalizing on opportunity when presented, is doing just that. Always remember that the % of people in the general public for whom illegal immigration is their top issue is extremely small, but in the online activist community is very vocal. So, Walker notes that he said what Trump is now saying 3 months before Trump was even a candidate, capitalizes on Trump's attention to the issue, and moves on to what he really wants to talk about, repealing Obamacare.

Incidentally, there are four current US Senators seeking the Republican nomination, and when Walker says as he has today and yesterday, "Where is the bill?" it isn't just an indictment of Sen. McConnell, it is an indictment of those four Senators, as well.

Ted Cruz talks a big talk when he is fundraising but he could have introduced a repeal Obamacare bill at any time, himself. Where is it?


Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 18, 2015 10:09 PM (ljZD2)

740 Bitter @ 675

I missed that comment, sorry.
I was right there with you defending him - or at least defending against unreasoned attacks . I was waiting for any news of evidence came up.
I guess it would be wise to continue to do so?

Posted by: Chi at August 18, 2015 10:09 PM (z8+9E)

741 731 199 Easier method... get Congress to pass, and President
to sign, a Bill saying it is the sense of the Congress and the
Administration that 'under the Jurisdiction thereof' does not include
illegals... and that is THEIR interpretation of the Constitution.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 18, 2015 10:00 PM (NaeCR)



Tonight, Mark Levin read the comments by one of the authors of the 14th amendment back in the 1860s, and he made it crystal clear that it was *not* intended to confer citizenship on the children of foreigners.

No "interpretation" is necessary.

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 10:09 PM (sdi6R)

742
I have told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth regarding my private server that was obliterated because it was private. As the chief, I made the decision to wipe the server clean because the hostile republican cabal only seek to embarrass me and not get to the truth.

I am not a crook! Screw that horizontal bastard Richard Nixon for lying to the people and the courts of America. I will not tolerate the lies!

Posted by: Sir Edmund Milhaus Clinton at August 18, 2015 10:09 PM (OiFtZ)

743 Being active and pushing your limits is the best exercise.

Posted by: cm9000 at August 18, 2015 10:10 PM (8zCR+)

744 Fuck it. I'm done trolling. I'm all in for Trump now.

Posted by: My consultant says shit stinks at August 18, 2015 10:12 PM (pq97T)

745 Making babies is the best exercise, Raising them, the hardest.

Posted by: simplemind at August 18, 2015 10:13 PM (BTnAK)

746 This Outlaw Chronicles documentary on History is pretty interesting.

Posted by: logprof at August 18, 2015 10:13 PM (vsbNu)

747 So, eh, we'll see.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 18, 2015 10:04 PM (EHU9F)

Hope this works for you!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 10:14 PM (ftVQq)

748 How trivial is what Nixon did, when you look at the Obama's or the Clinton's.

Posted by: cm9000 at August 18, 2015 10:14 PM (8zCR+)

749 Zink and sunlight also raise T levels. Plus, Zink helps with energy and the immune system so I it's one of the few things I take daily.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at August 18, 2015 10:15 PM (i7JE3)

750 Thinc zink!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 10:16 PM (oVJmc)

751 granting that, why did he not know this was a useful line of rhetoric six months ago?

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2015 07:22 PM (dciA+)

Along the same vein, why didn't he know to at least speak up about the John Doe investigations?

Posted by: East Bay KG at August 18, 2015 10:16 PM (YUrE9)

752

Tonight, Mark Levin read the comments by one of the authors of the 14th amendment back in the 1860s, and he made it crystal clear that it was *not* intended to confer citizenship on the children of foreigners.

No "interpretation" is necessary.

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 10:09 PM (sdi6R)


We don't need a new interpretation, but we do need the federal government to enforce the correct interpretation, which is not what they're using now.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 18, 2015 10:16 PM (0NdlF)

753 I knew Ace would see this eventually.


Screw TRump, I want to focus on his game. He's playing chess folks and Ace and Comrade Arthur themselves fell for it today on twitter.


Trump issues Sessions' approved gold standard plan on immigration.


Today he tweets out that he is all for talented people and great college students coming to America and becoming Americans.


Some on our side say see, I told you he was going to flip flop, change his position in less than 49 hours, etc., etc., etc.


More importantly, those on the other side, like Geraldo immediately tweet him in support of his efforts and that Trump is a real great guy.


BOOOOOM, then comes the hammer. Trump tweets later that all immigrants must still comply with his policy and quotas, etc., etc. that he already set forth.


So, his position is unchanged from Sessions, but now Geraldo is on record praising him.



Trump literally got Planned Parenthood to issue a statement thanking him for being reasonable, even though his official statement IS NO DIFFERENT THAN HUCKABEE.


It's all about the delivery, motha fuckaaaas.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 18, 2015 10:16 PM (VMZsK)

754 Mark Steyn was just on fire on Hannity. He'd said don't hand me this crap about changing the Constitution to get rid of birthright citizenship. He mentioned the case of Deena Gilbey, a Brit citizen who was here with her husband Paul on a work permit. Paul worked in the WTC and was killed on 9/11. He went back in to try to help his buddies, Americans.

After that, INS decided to kick her out. She had two children, American citizens who were born here. They had no problem trying to deport her, and the hell with her kids. If she wanted them, she'd have to take 'em back to England with her.

It was only special dispensation that eventually stopped that and Deena Gilbey was allowed to stay.

They'll do that, but get all weepy about doing the same with illegal border sneakers.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 10:17 PM (dvuhZ)

755 Gee maybe not holding townhalls anymore because you might have to deal with the constituents wasn't such a good idea after all.

Posted by: buzzion at August 18, 2015 10:19 PM (zt+N6)

756 Posted by: trumpetdaddy

Pro tip - the support of a known McConnell dicklicker and all-around GOPe shill like you really does not help Walker's cause.

Back to the trough, piggy.

Posted by: fuck off at August 18, 2015 10:19 PM (8ix4D)

757 Posted by: prescient11 at August 18, 2015 10:16 PM (VMZsK)



Dude I get that you're passionate. But Trump's wife has got to be getting pissed that you are hogging his dick.

Posted by: buzzion at August 18, 2015 10:21 PM (zt+N6)

758 Tonight, Mark Levin read the comments by one of the
authors of the 14th amendment back in the 1860s, and he made it crystal
clear that it was *not* intended to confer citizenship on the children
of foreigners.



No "interpretation" is necessary.

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 10:09 PM (sdi6R)

That was BB Wolf (way above) not me... anyway, the 14th reads quite clear without commentary from the 1860s. Unless 'under the jurisdiction' was intended to mean nothing at all.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 18, 2015 10:21 PM (NaeCR)

759 747

Hope this works for you!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 10:14 PM (ftVQq)


Thanks! The doc warned that it may take a couple of weeks to notice an effect so it may be a while until news of a serial furniture violator being arrested at a Rooms-To-Go hits the web.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 18, 2015 10:21 PM (EHU9F)

760 LOL buzzion

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 18, 2015 10:23 PM (zyIlW)

761 None of my candidates ever win.
So I'm all in for Jeb!

Acts of love, chicas!

Posted by: @votermom at August 18, 2015 10:23 PM (cbfNE)

762 Unless 'under the jurisdiction' was intended to mean nothing at all.

Why exclude Indians not taxed? Not part of the country; they were a separate nation that was not tied down to a specific area.

If we take the current interpretation seriously, an invading foreign army that has pregnant soldiers giving birth will have US citizen hostages we have a duty to defend ... absurd.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 18, 2015 10:26 PM (0NdlF)

763 Buzzion, no I'm just trying to wake some up on our side. It's like we're going through this willfully blind.


Walker CANNOT win the general. Kelly, whatever she is, is a good cross exam questioner, she did what she was sent out there to do, take Walker down. And she did a great job.


It's sad that his campaign doesn't even know it yet.


For all the pearl clutching about Trump's bona fides, his past so called democrat support will be weaponized in his favor come election time.


No other non-E candidate can be elected. I see this now in Cruz's numbers. Trust me, he does too. Walker was just taken out. Carson is literally just copying what Trump does. His game is not that deep, nice, brilliant guy, but that's it.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 18, 2015 10:27 PM (VMZsK)

764 "Pro tip - the support of a known McConnell dicklicker and all-around GOPe shill like you really does not help Walker's cause.

Back to the trough, piggy."

Nice language. You kiss your mother with that mouth?

Hey, smart guy, why don't you go back to watching Dora the Explorer if you can't do any better than that?

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 18, 2015 10:27 PM (ljZD2)

765 All the different forms of T delivery (patches, gels, shots) have slightly different behavior. I'm taking the shots, but because of the side effects, I'm probably going to stop.

This "should" only happen with anabolic abuse, massive does of Ts, but did you know too much T can make you sprout man boobs? I don't mean flab, I mean real female breast tissue. That seems contradictory, doesn't it? Well, it's real complicated, these hormones. The breakdown of T goes through several pathways. One of those pathways turns it into estrogen.

In most therapeutic level does (ie restore T levels to normal), this shouldn't be a problem. It's just the massive doses. But, if your system is very sensitive, it can be a problem.

I noticed my nipples getting sore, which can be a tell-tale sign that is happening. Doc immediately reduced the dose and frequency. Watch for shit like that.

And it can make you overly emotional too (again, you'd think it would be the girly hormones that would do that, but again, this crap is complicated). Me, I had people saying I was acting more like my old self, laughing and cutting up and shooting the shit like I used to in my younger days before this stupid arthritis took hold.

So, it does shit like that. Which can be good. But it can be bad.

Watch for signs of prostate swelling and painful ejaculation. All that can be signs some of the complicated shit is kicking in.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 18, 2015 10:29 PM (dvuhZ)

766 Constant criticism is off-putting. Having only negative things to say gets tiresome over time. Or so I've been told.

Posted by: cm9000 at August 18, 2015 10:29 PM (8zCR+)

767 "Walker was just taken out."

Really? Interesting that everybody is talking about a guy who was "just taken out."

Last time I checked, the guy running his Iowa operation was the same guy that got Joni Ernst elected to the Senate from there. It's gonna be a long 6 months until the first votes are actually cast. Buckle up, chief.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 18, 2015 10:30 PM (ljZD2)

768 Trumpet daddy ?
Trump is cool now,havent you heard?

I am in love with someone else

You can spit my dick.out now

Posted by: Scott 'Trump' Walker at August 18, 2015 10:31 PM (Lx5HV)

769 Last point:


Trump literally has set the black and legal Hispanic vote against the illegals.


He is such a buffoon.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 18, 2015 10:31 PM (VMZsK)

770 This is all just show. I'm not buying that he really feels this way. Just theater to say what they think folks want to hear.
Posted by: CDR M at August 18, 2015 07:19 PM (TWXpK)

The world has had strange things happen.

Paraguay, after surviving 30-odd years under President Stroessner, (a bloody dictator supported by a coterie of psychotic henchmen, and who had an outlook on governance and society similar to that of Gen. Francisco Franco) was faced with the President installing one of his sons as his successor.
The Paraguayan military, who found all the options to be vile, held a very quick coup - possibly because the were concerned about Stroessner turning on them for not being enthusiastic enough, and found themselves in control of the country and returned the society back to an elected republic.

Although the generals always stated they acted from the best intentions for the Republic, I have always wondered if they just didn't trust each other enough to form a junta. I wondered that in trying to enlist the public with calls for Democracy, Rule of Law, Fraternite Egalite et Liberte, and return to the Republic, they may have suddenly realized they might wind up being greasy spots if they reneged on the ideas, and that would void their pensions.

Stranger things have happened.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2015 10:31 PM (3pRHP)

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2015 10:31 PM (3pRHP)

772 {}

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2015 10:31 PM (3pRHP)

773
Barrel

Posted by: buzzion at August 18, 2015 10:32 PM (zt+N6)

774 Mark Steyn was just on fire on Hannity.


What? Why isn't someone putting him out?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 10:33 PM (oFCZn)

775 Nope. No barrel. I am a hyperactive squirrel, soaring in the breeze.

And I bite.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2015 10:34 PM (3pRHP)

776 769 Last point:


Trump literally has set the black and legal Hispanic vote against the illegals.


He is such a buffoon.
Posted by: prescient11 at August 18, 2015 10:31 PM (VMZsK)


Uh huh.

I am *really* enjoying this.

We've all been making jokes about "eleven dimensional chess".

Trump is actually playing it.

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 10:35 PM (sdi6R)

777 Anyone that has read fifty comments here would know right away that the horde is not your every day "man on the street" - unless that man was a deranged hobo with a paper bag full of spray paint & bath salts.
Posted by: Chi at August 18, 2015 07:35 PM

LOL Chi, that's a great description.

Posted by: Farmer at August 18, 2015 10:36 PM (o/90i)

778 "So there's some sort of territorial thing going on, and I don't know what to do about it.

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 09:03 PM (sdi6R)"

I know what to do about it. The two of you go to the vet and only you come back.

Problem solved.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at August 18, 2015 10:36 PM (QHgTq)

779 An embarreling at this hour?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at August 18, 2015 10:36 PM (m9V0o)

780 Tension, apprehension, and dissension have begun

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2015 10:38 PM (3pRHP)

781 Rickl:


Yep. BTW, you almost think Hillary is intentionally fucking this up. She's unlikeable but not stupid.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 18, 2015 10:40 PM (VMZsK)

782 778
I know what to do about it. The two of you go to the vet and only you come back.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at August 18, 2015 10:36 PM (QHgTq)




That's not going to happen.

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 10:41 PM (sdi6R)

783 "That's not going to happen.

Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 10:41 PM (sdi6R)"

Then learn to enjoy sleeping in cat pee. What cannot be cured must be endured.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at August 18, 2015 10:48 PM (QHgTq)

784 The problem with the cat peeing on the bed is that once that smell has set in, the kitty will keep doing it and it's extremely difficult if not impossible to get that smell out. You can try cleaners and such and then try turning the mattress over and see if that helps. Obviously wash everything on the bed down to mattress level.

Give it a shot. If that doesn't work buy a new mattress and cross your fingers...or just make sure that cat never gets into your bedroom again.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2015 10:52 PM (oFCZn)

785 Will that mattress trick work on trumpetdaddy?
Because you know, I mean
Damn.

Posted by: Scott 'Trump' Walker at August 18, 2015 10:55 PM (Lx5HV)

786 Here's something interesting for cats: Ice balls

http://goo.gl/A33TXO

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 18, 2015 10:56 PM (iQIUe)

787 Too little. Too late. I am mad as hell and I ain't supportin' nobody who is Johnny-come-lately. Screw you.

Actually, I am very glad that Trump has given the "conservative" boys cover. Trump has his own money and is not beholden to the CofC-GOPe-corruptocrats. The others -- no one could hardly breathe but that PC would be called on them. I think there is breathing room now, maybe even lots of it, and I am so, so happy. Thanks for the thread, Ace. Wish I had time to read all Moron comments. Great blog. Great investigative journalism. Great witty nastiness, too.

Posted by: pyromancer76 at August 18, 2015 11:13 PM (sPfLU)

788 Lather, reince, repeat.

Posted by: Reince Priapus at August 18, 2015 11:27 PM (DGrkU)

789 Lather, reince, repeat.

Posted by: Reince Priapus at August 18, 2015 11:27 PM (DGrkU)

790 My response to George Will... NSFW for language, by the way...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBt-nirXQDE

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 18, 2015 11:32 PM (wKc1L)

791 #784: Also, buy a latex liner for your mattress. They sell them everywhere; I found one at Target.

My cats have never peed on the bed, but I like having that extra bit of security. If they ever do, it won't soak into the mattress.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 18, 2015 11:36 PM (wKc1L)

792 Testosterone deforms the face, requiring expensive plastic surgery to correct.

Bottom line: try to get your testicles removed before puberty, and then go on estrogen.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 19, 2015 12:10 AM (DGrkU)

793 >>>Give it a shot. If that doesn't work buy a new mattress and cross your fingers...or just make sure that cat never gets into your bedroom again.

Or get it fixed. They spray less.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 19, 2015 12:32 AM (DGrkU)

794 I'm sitting in a room. It's a dreary room that has the underlying sensation of being something totally different, like maybe a massive hologram designed to fool me into not doubting that the room is real.

Before me sits a black man and in each hand is a pill, a red and a blue.
The man tells me that for me to know the truth that I have to take the red pill and once I take that pill there is no turning back.
He says if I take the blue pill, I will return to my old life where the R establishment has total control, will not bend to anyone's wishes except their money masters and continue to advance the entire progressive narrative.

I took the red pill, Trump all of the sudden stood before me.
Thats when the real story started.

Posted by: Drider at August 19, 2015 01:26 AM (6Xbsz)

795 Trump just released his position on Nutrition.

Q: Is swimming good for your figure?

A: If swimming good for figure, explain whale.

Q: Is getting in-shape important for my lifestyle?

A: Hey! 'Round' is shape!

Q: How can I calculate my body/fat ratio?

A: If you have body and you have fat, ratio is one to one. If you have two bodies, ratio is two to one, etc.

Q: Aren't fried foods bad for you?

A: YOU NOT LISTEN!!! Foods fried in vegetable oil. How getting more vegetables bad for you?

Yeah I think Trump is playing chess for sure now..

Well you cant deport the kids born here but you can sure deport the parents, which will have to take the kids with them.

Make it nearly imposable for company's to hire illegals, or free ice tee shirts for everyone. or national turn in a illegals day..

The only 2 places socialism works is in heaven and that's because everything is free, the other place is hell and that's because they all ready got it!!




Posted by: Frodus at August 19, 2015 01:31 AM (7OAjN)

796 "Make it nearly imposable for company's to hire illegals, or free ice tee shirts for everyone. or national turn in a illegals day.."

At this point I think we need baby steps. We actually have Illegals on the city council in at least one city.

I take that back, we need leaps and bounds to turn it all back to the way it is suppose to be.

Posted by: Drider at August 19, 2015 01:38 AM (6Xbsz)

797 Candidates usually withhold detailed plans until they get the nomination, even outlines are usually very general in the primaries.

Getting into details, unless you've been working on them for a very long time, is dangerous. Doing it fast invites mistakes that can be seized upon by opponents or Democrats later, even if corrected.

Even those with simplified policy outlines run a risk. Cain's "9-9-9" last time became a point of mockery. So most talk in general terms.

Trump is being a demagogue, playing to the angry with what they wish to hear. It's not news they like red meat tossed to them.

Posted by: Adjoran at August 19, 2015 02:03 AM (QIQ6j)

798 I agree with everything that you just typed Adjoran.

But then again, love and amnesty just doesn't float my boat hen it comes the the illegal immigration policy.

Posted by: Drider at August 19, 2015 04:07 AM (6Xbsz)

799 "Posted by: rickl at August 18, 2015 10:41 PM (sdi6R)"

Go to petco and get enzymes that attack cat urine. Thoroughly soak the bed and bedding, turn your mattress over and machine wash bedding. Don't let your cat in the room until he gets over it.

Posted by: Ann in the UK at August 19, 2015 05:50 AM (VkNgx)

800 I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore.

with gratitude to Paddy Chayefsky

Posted by: Howard Beale at August 19, 2015 08:47 AM (gB7h6)

801 To Adjoran:

This campaign better not be like those of the past. Unless you want another loser nominee. People should be getting specific, especially about the hot button issues. There are too many Repub candidates for them all to espouse generic solutions to very specific issues.

If you are satisfied with bland, vague statements then I think you might be in the minority for this campaign. Because "we're mad as hell and we don't want to take this anymore"

Posted by: Howard Beale at August 19, 2015 08:53 AM (gB7h6)

802 " This apparently all comes as a huge shock to the political class."


It's yuuuuuge! Yuuuuuge, I tell ya!

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