Morning Thread (8-18-2015)

Mornin', sports fans.

Posted by: Andy at 06:27 AM




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1 Is professional drinking considered a "sport?"

Posted by: Evil Otto at August 18, 2015 06:28 AM (6eVVe)

2 Wow! So new

Posted by: Sick of ExPat Patrioting at August 18, 2015 06:31 AM (UPsEn)

3 This thread still has the window sticker and what a bargain price...

Posted by: Thurston Howell Trump at August 18, 2015 06:35 AM (7O8xt)

4 Good mornng, horde. 'Cuse me, I'm all sorts of yawny this morning.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. (waving ampersands furiously) at August 18, 2015 06:35 AM (+XMAD)

5 What, No Trump? D@mn, it's not almost as disappointing as not reading how angry conservatives. Must be losing momentum. Where's the OUTRAGE!!! Turn it up to elevanty!!!

Posted by: Hadoop at August 18, 2015 06:36 AM (8RCKs)

6 Text from larger son describing Niagara Falls camping saga with mother: "...expensive trip to a big water fountain." He may be a proto-Hordeling.

Posted by: Agent J at August 18, 2015 06:37 AM (ueOgE)

7 or, as we say in Jeb Bush's America, !Hola!

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 06:38 AM (PxqU/)

8 Morning Glories! Burnin daylight!

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 18, 2015 06:39 AM (X+nFp)

9 I just want to thank Red Sox fans for being grist for our mill last night. There has been far too little grist this season for the Indians, but yesterdays game helped. So, gracias.

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 06:41 AM (PxqU/)

10 CNN: 10 most livable cities includes Tripoli, Libya, and including some other fun loving cities in Africa...don't all pack up and move at once, we hate to loose you.


Posted by: Colin at August 18, 2015 06:41 AM (vIeIs)

11 Did anyone mention that Donald Trump's immigration policy is RAY CISSS?

Posted by: Anti-socialist at August 18, 2015 06:43 AM (o9lmn)

12 AND 12TH!!

Posted by: Anti-socialist at August 18, 2015 06:43 AM (o9lmn)

13 If you gave a bazillion $$ to the Inevitable Jeb!! Campaign, what are you thinking right now? This guy is generating less buzz than T-Paw.

Posted by: Anti-socialist at August 18, 2015 06:45 AM (o9lmn)

14

DAY 1,015

448 to go (521 to Inauguration Day 2017)


Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, Mao-suits, McCain's, McConnell's, Mahdi megatons, machiavellian Mississippi mudslingers, McAuliffe's, Maduro's, MIRV's, Mexifornians, mewling mattress myth manufacturers, marriage maimers, menacing Mozillan 'mo's, Myrmidons, Mugwumps, Monrovian microbes, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, microaggressors, minions, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri, malfunctioning Moron microsites and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.



Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2015 06:45 AM (St6BJ)

15 I just want to thank Red Sox fans for being grist
for our mill last night. There has been far too little grist this
season for the Indians, but yesterdays game helped. So, gracias.

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 06:41 AM


My dream is that someone will one day make a hilarious movie about teh Red Sox a la "Major League."

One of the bad things about living near Boston is being inundated daily by "news" about the local sports franchises. The Pats being the worst offenders, of course. If Tom Brady breaks a fingernail, it's Breaking News.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 06:46 AM (0atQl)

16
Whaddya say, fellow rape-shifters?!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2015 06:46 AM (St6BJ)

17 >>CNN: 10 most livable cities includes Tripoli, Libya

You might want to read that one again. Only one on that list of least livable is Port Moresby. Scary place. Really scary.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2015 06:46 AM (OGm46)

18
"Pew pew pew!":

The more than 600 rounds that Stockton police fired during a rolling gun battle with bank robbers last year that left a hostage dead by officers bullets was excessive and unnecessary, an independent review found.

The Police Foundation released a detailed report Monday on how Stockton police responded to the July 16, 2014, armed robbery of a Bank of the West branch, where three gunmen took three women hostage and fired at officers from a speeding SUV.

The group found that 32 officers unloaded more than 600 rounds during the hour-long rolling gun battle. One of the hostages, Misty Holt-Singh, was killed when she was struck by 10 police bullets.

http://tinyurl.com/pgmgl76

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 06:46 AM (kdS6q)

19 15 If Tom Brady breaks a fingernail, it's Breaking News.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 06:46 AM (0atQl)


If that happens, I suspect a crate of moisturizer will be shipped to Giselle ASAP.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2015 06:47 AM (St6BJ)

20 So walker is going to go all Trump in DC. Late but moving link on drudge.

Posted by: Sick of ExPat Patrioting at August 18, 2015 06:47 AM (UPsEn)

21 opps. Only one on the that list of least livable I've been to .....

Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2015 06:47 AM (OGm46)

22 I just want to congratulate Allahpundit for going full on clickbaity with his outrage du jour yesterday, the Alpha Phi recruiting video from the University of Alabama. Those are spectacular girls! I happen to know one, a daughter of a friend of mine who recently graduated, and she's as smart a kid as I know, working now in a very highly paid banking job.

So the SJW's of this world can hyperventilate all they want- but good looking, smart, and fun will kick dull and ugly SJW asses every day of the week, and twice on Saturday nights.

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 06:49 AM (PxqU/)

23 18 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 06:46 AM (kdS6q)


I love how people, sitting in a nice, comfortable, safe office can determine what was excessive and unnecessary when not in the thick of the actual incident.

I admit it's case by case, but this is how shit like "hands up don't shoot" happens.

Walk around in a shitty neighborhood in a cops uniform and you'll have a whole new perspective.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2015 06:49 AM (St6BJ)

24 Oh, Scott, read this. Forget the surveys. Make a stand and find out if America agrees. It is called leadership.

Posted by: Sick of ExPat Patrioting at August 18, 2015 06:50 AM (UPsEn)

25 20 So walker is going to go all Trump in DC. Late but moving link on drudge.
Posted by: Sick of ExPat Patrioting at August 18, 2015 06:47 AM (UPsEn)


If all Trump does is bring attention to the real issues and forces the others and the MFM to take heed, then his candidacy is a success right there.

After that, we shall see. For now, TRUMP!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2015 06:51 AM (St6BJ)

26 If you gave a bazillion $$ to the Inevitable Jeb!!
Campaign, what are you thinking right now? This guy is generating less
buzz than T-Paw.

Posted by: Anti-socialist at August 18, 2015 06:45 AM


I'd be thinking: "Halp us, Rinse Prius! Your are only Hope!"

Big props to The Donald for turning Democrats and the GOPe pundits into quivering mounds of Pillsbury biscuit dough. I could watch the High and Mighty of the "conservative" blogosphere whine and whimper for a long time and not tire of it.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 06:51 AM (0atQl)

27 Lots of Black Lives (Don't matter to other blacks, unless shot by white cop) Matter!

Chicago: 2 dead 11 shot
Baltimore: 1 dead

Posted by: Colin at August 18, 2015 06:51 AM (vIeIs)

28 So Morgan Freeman's granddaughter was apparently stabbed to death by her druggie boyfriend who believed he was performing an "exorcism" and yelled about driving out the devil in he name of Jesus as he stabbed her.

Watch: the leftists(who can't play the race card, since the boyfriend is black) will say, "See, more proof than Christianity is a violent religion!" rather than saying, "See, drugs can make you crazy1"

Any calls for knife bans in Manhattan?

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. (waving ampersands furiously) at August 18, 2015 06:53 AM (+XMAD)

29 JJ, agree totally. Still a long way to voting.

Posted by: Sick of ExPat Patrioting at August 18, 2015 06:54 AM (UPsEn)

30 MTF-+++

Could not have said it better.

Posted by: LASue at August 18, 2015 06:55 AM (5Rb/A)

31 Train done, home in hk

Posted by: Sick of ExPat Patrioting at August 18, 2015 06:55 AM (UPsEn)

32
Hydrogen sulfide conducts electricity with zero resistance at a record high temperature of -70 C, reports a paper published today in Nature.

The first results of the work represents a historic step towards finding a room-temperature superconductor. Scientists are intensely interested in the result because it was achieved without using exotic materials such as the copper-containing compounds which until now have held the record for the highest superconducting temperature

http://tinyurl.com/nbwmzng

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 06:57 AM (kdS6q)

33 I see AOSe has gone in against the Donald.

The arrogance and condescension dripping blood red.

Pathetic.

At this pont the question has to be asked again.

If the Donald wins will GOPe promise not to run third party?

I hear Tim Pawlentys available.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 18, 2015 06:57 AM (mysAS)

34 Is professional drinking considered a "sport?"



Riding the barstool drunk, is.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2015 06:58 AM (5/lDN)

35 29 JJ, agree totally. Still a long way to voting.
Posted by: Sick of ExPat Patrioting at August 18, 2015 06:54 AM (UPsEn)



And the real nature of John Podhoretz comes out. He attacked Nolte over at Breitbart because some establishment type supposedly received a threat about his daughter on Twitter. Took the opportunity to denigrate Breitbart readers.

They really are melting down because all their plans to select Jeb for us peons are turning to shit.

Good.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2015 07:00 AM (St6BJ)

36 Chuck, "we either have a country, or we don't have a country".

Posted by: redenzo at August 18, 2015 07:00 AM (WCnJW)

37 1 Is professional drinking considered a "sport?"
Posted by: Evil Otto at August 18, 2015 06:28 AM (6eVVe)


I think it's more of a pastime, but a level of skill is definitely involved.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2015 07:01 AM (St6BJ)

38 I see AOSe has gone in against the Donald.

For a site whose writers and commenters daily say "fuck you" to the MFM, the Dems and the GOPe, it is odd to see the vitriol thrown at supporters of the perfect "fuck you" candidate.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 18, 2015 07:02 AM (zF6Iw)

39 If the Donald wins will GOPe promise not to run third party?



I hear Tim Pawlentys available.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 18, 2015 06:57 AM (mysAS)

I have a feeling that a lot of the "Republicans" we've got might suddenly decide that they've been Democrats all along and switch parties. But at least there'd be some honesty then, because they're just Democrats with an R by their name right now.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 18, 2015 07:02 AM (HalrA)

40 Does anyone really watch network news anymore. I have asked several friends and no one does. I guess you monitor them to see how biased they are, for lack of any other reason.

Posted by: Colin at August 18, 2015 07:03 AM (vIeIs)

41 32 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 06:57 AM (kdS6q)


There can be only one superconductor:

Arturo Toscanini. Leopold Stokowski is a degree or two colder.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2015 07:03 AM (St6BJ)

42 Arturo Toscanini. Leopold Stokowski is a degree or two colder.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2015 07:03 AM (St6BJ)

Bugs Bunny was pretty good, too.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 18, 2015 07:04 AM (X+nFp)

43 38 I see AOSe has gone in against the Donald.

For a site whose writers and commenters daily say "fuck you" to the MFM, the Dems and the GOPe, it is odd to see the vitriol thrown at supporters of the perfect "fuck you" candidate.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 18, 2015 07:02 AM (zF6Iw)


THIS.

It's too bad that a professional politician can't have the FYNQ attitude he has, but Trump's effect on THE PROCESS is what I am cheering on. That is all I really give a shit about right now.

Let's see how this plays out once the primary voting starts.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2015 07:06 AM (St6BJ)

44 42 Bugs Bunny was pretty good, too.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 18, 2015 07:04 AM (X+nFp)


Very perceptive, doc! The Stokowski reference was to the BB cartoon where Elmer the waiter is desperate to find a fried rabbit for Bogey. The band that gets up on the stand is "Leopold and his Chi-fa-fa Five." (puts nickel in jukebox and conducts it!)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2015 07:07 AM (St6BJ)

45 @38

I understand the desire to sit at the cool kids table, I really do.

And it is interesting how commenters have used this blog and platform to rise up in the ranks and become part of the GOPe.

So it has been interesting how AOS is morphing into AOSe

The pulling of the WeirdDave post was telling.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 18, 2015 07:07 AM (mysAS)

46 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2015 07:07 AM (St6BJ)

Wow! Talk about a lucky hit on snark. I should prolly go buy a lottery ticket today. Can I borrow a buck? Just till this evening when I win then I'll pay you back double.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 18, 2015 07:10 AM (X+nFp)

47 THIS.

It's too bad that a professional politician can't have the FYNQ attitude he has, but Trump's effect on THE PROCESS is what I am cheering on. That is all I really give a shit about right now.


AND THIS!

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2015 07:10 AM (5/lDN)

48 >>I understand the desire to sit at the cool kids table, I really do.

Right now, the cool kids table is hosted by Trump.

Not everyone who doesn't believe that Trump is the second coming is part of the establishment.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2015 07:10 AM (OGm46)

49 35 They really are melting down because all their plans to select Jeb for us peons are turning to shit.

JJ, just remember, a cornered rat will fight like a cornered rat. We've seen it here already. It would be very interesting if the GOPe went full AllenG against its critics on the right. Not good, but interesting.

Posted by: Agent J at August 18, 2015 07:11 AM (ueOgE)

50
Donald Trump's Clown Immigration Plan

The Federalist - Ben Domenech*

Future Greatest American President Donald Trump unveiled his first major policy white paper, concerning the only policy subject on which he has weighed in repeatedly: those damn dirty Mexicans.

*Friend of the Blog (tm). King's X!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 07:11 AM (kdS6q)

51 For a site whose writers and commenters daily say
"fuck you" to the MFM, the Dems and the GOPe, it is odd to see the
vitriol thrown at supporters of the perfect "fuck you" candidate.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 18, 2015 07:02 AM


I hate to use an over-overworked meme, but the GOPe Blog Brigade is simply scared shitless of teh Donald. He is overturning so many of their cherished applecarts. They simply don't know how to react to that.

If things play out the way it's beginning to look like they might, the EEs, Podhoretzes, Poppin' Freshes and Jizz Shaws who have been playing Lords of the Intarwebz may have to leave their Mommys' Basements and get actual Real Jobs. Wonder if Dunkin' Donuts is hiring counter help?

In any case, I approve!

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 07:11 AM (0atQl)

52 Seriously not buying Trump as a candidate does not make one a RINO. I mean the same folks who say Walker is dead to me because of immigration are all over Trump.

I get the hey he says eff you part. Yes, he does. What about when you want him to be a consistent conservative and he says eff you to you?

I suspect that won't be as charming.

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 07:12 AM (2Ocf1)

53 I am thinking of putting my jinx powers to work and going all in for Jeb!

Posted by: @votermom at August 18, 2015 07:14 AM (cbfNE)

54 Well, here goes---Can someone tell me what WeridDave's post was about and when it was pulled?

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 07:14 AM (Xa4vS)

55 I understand the desire to sit at the cool kids table, I really do. And it is interesting how commenters have used this blog and platform to rise up in the ranks and become part of the GOPe. So it has been interesting how AOS is morphing into AOSe The pulling of the WeirdDave post was telling.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 18, 2015 07:07 AM (mysAS)


I missed that. But Teh Donald's rise has also made a few blogs that I used to visit completely unreadable. Neo-neocon herself is still good, but her commenters (who are not nearly as erudite as they think they are) are fervent bashers of "Trump Trash."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 18, 2015 07:16 AM (zF6Iw)

56 @51 Wonder if Dunkin' Donuts is hiring counter help?

H1-B's. Makin' the donuts Americans won't.

(To be fair, DD has about the best damned customer service in fast food. I usually drop a buck or two into the tip mug.)

Posted by: Agent J at August 18, 2015 07:16 AM (ueOgE)

57
Say,, I don't mean to be any trouble but,, has anyone seen any of my e-mails? I seem to have misplaced a couple....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 18, 2015 07:16 AM (HSmrB)

58 Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 07:14 AM (Xa4vS)

A couple of Saturdays ago, Dave posted an opposition to one of your GOPe betters commentaries. I dont remember his name someone else here does.

Anywho, it was basically fynq from Dave, then it vanished.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 18, 2015 07:17 AM (X+nFp)

59 @54 as I recall, maybe three weeks ago, Dave had a post that was pretty personally directed at The Rick Wilson who is a friend of the blog.

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 07:17 AM (2Ocf1)

60
Can someone tell me what WeridDave's post was about and when it was pulled?
Posted by: Seems Legit



Friend of the Blog (tm). King's X!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 07:17 AM (kdS6q)

61 Does banning my IP at home which prevents me from posting during the day have anything to do with this supposed AOSe take over?

#twoweeks

Posted by: Gmac - banned at home - #twoweeks at August 18, 2015 07:17 AM (4pjhs)

62 Thanks Blaster.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 07:18 AM (Xa4vS)

63 There was a link here to the post but all the comments vanished.

Posted by: Gmac - banned at home - #twoweeks at August 18, 2015 07:19 AM (4pjhs)

64 It's too bad that a professional politician can't
have the FYNQ attitude he has.... Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2015 07:06 AM


My question to you, JJ, is: WHY NOT?

After more than six years of watching Choom Boy selling America down the river without the slightest peep of protest from the so-called Opposition Party, why wouldn't a candidate with the textbook definition of the FYNQ Attitude take off in popularity?

Oh, wait...he has.

Also: the Trump-haters fail to realize that most of us (metaphorically) riding in his helicopter are not adoring the bulge in his Levi's, worshiping his Magic Wife or feeling virtuous because they have accepted/"look past" his skin color. We dig what he says and what he represents. He supports Law in an increasingly lawless nation.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 07:19 AM (0atQl)

65 51 Wonder if Dunkin' Donuts is hiring counter help?



H1-B's. Makin' the donuts Americans won't.



(To be fair, DD has about the best damned customer service in fast food. I usually drop a buck or two into the tip mug.)

In NYS, probably many will close with the $15 hour min wage. The head of DD has said it's crazy!

Posted by: Colin at August 18, 2015 07:19 AM (vIeIs)

66 Trump's line should be, Chuck, why do some people have to follow federal law and others do not.

Posted by: redenzo at August 18, 2015 07:19 AM (WCnJW)

67 @56 around here the Dunkin Donuts is owned by immigrants and you can't staff a donut shop with H1bs.

They have decent service but no one in fast food does it better than Chik-FiL-A.

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 07:19 AM (2Ocf1)

68 Trump is the Andrew Jackson of this era. All the Pubs who have it pretty good appose him strongly (see Glenn Beck). They want their Rubio. He's a cloth coat (checkers reference) to Trump's fur.

Posted by: History at August 18, 2015 07:20 AM (Bbcs8)

69 @54
You can see WeirdDave's post here
http://preview.tinyurl.com/njoj45j

Posted by: Agent J at August 18, 2015 07:20 AM (ueOgE)

70 When it starts getting serious Trump will be attacked with sound bites from his own mouth on a variety of topics, and they are going to sting.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 18, 2015 07:22 AM (iONHu)

71 Thanks, helpful commenters. I missed this entirely.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 07:22 AM (Xa4vS)

72 @52

That's fine but understand what Trump is, he's a paradigm shift.

Conservatives have been literally getting the shaft for the last 15+ years.

We have given GOPe money and support and were told just elect us and we work to get you what you want to have only seconds after giving them majorities and power for them to shit down our throats.

Trump is, in the immortal words of the prophet Breitbart, PBUH, our Fuck You, WAR! candidate.

He might be completely full of shit but at this point I want the man who is pushing out the columns and bringing down the temple on the establishments heads.

He's come out with a serious paper on immigration, he's going to the mattresses on a hill to die on issue.

I am going to the mattresses with him.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 18, 2015 07:23 AM (mysAS)

73 >>> For a site whose writers and commenters daily say "fuck you" to the MFM, the Dems and the GOPe, it is odd to see the vitriol thrown at supporters of the perfect "fuck you" candidate.

Fuck you, in particular.

Posted by: some anteater at August 18, 2015 07:23 AM (2iV3X)

74 Trump is not Andrew Jackson. He is Trump.

I don't get the supposed turn to Rubio. I have not seen that why are people saying he is the establishment candidate that all the establishment people are pushing?

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 07:23 AM (2Ocf1)

75 If you are going to speak in Breitbart's name on Trump, you might want to look up what. Breitbart said about him.

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 07:25 AM (2Ocf1)

76 Jeff Sessions *likes* Trumpy's immigration plan

https://tinyurl.com/o7komnp

Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2015 07:25 AM (O7MnT)

77 Can we please see where we are in March of next year before we get all butt-hurt about the meanies not liking the freshly minted Republican, Donald T? It's a little early for whining.

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 07:25 AM (PxqU/)

78 Seriously not buying Trump as a candidate does not make one a RINO.

True. But supporting Trump doesn't make one "trash" either.

I mean the same folks who say Walker is dead to me because of immigration are all over Trump.

Immigration's not my line in the sand; abortion is. Right now, I'm enjoying Trump's "if abortion is such a teeny-weeny part of what PP does, then you won't have any problem surviving without it" poke in their eyes. Walker is dead to me because he has not - to my knowledge, I'll admit - said or done jack shit over the "John Doe" nighttime SWAT raids in Wisconsin. If he won't fight back against corrupt Dems in his own state, how will he fight against an all-out child molester like Harry Reid?

I get the hey he says eff you part. Yes, he does. What about when you want him to be a consistent conservative and he says eff you to you?I suspect that won't be as charming.

Even Ronaldus Magnus wasn't a consistent conservative.

I keep having to repeat myself - Teh Donald is, for me, a good, stiff middle finger to the self-appointed elites, whether in DC, the MFM or right here at AoS. Jefferson said, ". . .the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, not a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.", and Trump is flushing the "riders" into the open, where we can see them as the enemy they are.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 18, 2015 07:26 AM (zF6Iw)

79 MSDNC baffled over Republican concern for American Workers

https://tinyurl.com/pj4r7bk

Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2015 07:27 AM (O7MnT)

80 New major poll out this AM:

A new CNN/ORC poll finds Trump with the support of 24% of Republican registered voters. His nearest competitor, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, stands 11 points behind at 13%. Ben Carson has 9%, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker 8%, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul 6%, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, former tech CEO Carly Fiorina and Ohio Gov. John Kasich all land at 5%, with former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee rounding out the top 10 at 4%.

Trump is the biggest gainer in the poll, up 6 points since July according to the first nationwide CNN/ORC poll since the top candidates debated in Cleveland on Aug. 6. Carson gained 5 points and Fiorina 4 points. Trump has also boosted his favorability numbers among Republicans, 58% have a favorable view of Trump now, that figure stood at 50% in the July survey.

These nationwide findings follow recent polling in Iowa and New Hampshire showing Trump also leads the Republican field in those two key early states.

www.cnn.com/2015/08/18/politics

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 07:27 AM (kdS6q)

81 When it starts getting serious Trump will be
attacked with sound bites from his own mouth on a variety of topics, and
they are going to sting. Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 18, 2015 07:22 AM


There is not a single candidate in -- or even near -- the race to whom that can't be done. Do a little research and you can dig up disqualifying words straight from the mouths of each of them. Yes, even Conservative Heroes like Cruz and Walker.

Same goes for you, me, and everyone else you care to name. Tongues slip, get twisted in knots, and reveal true feelings. It's what they do.

What's important is the reaction. Trump will face the barrage and try to force his way through. Others will lie. Or whine. Or hope their fanbois will rise to their defense.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 07:28 AM (0atQl)

82 the Trump-haters fail to realize that most of us (metaphorically) riding in his helicopter are not adoring the bulge in his Levi's. We dig what he says and what he represents. He supports Law in an increasingly lawless nation.

It is funny how Donald Trump has made so many conservatives into fans of the GOP Establishment.

Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2015 07:29 AM (O7MnT)

83
If the Donald wins will GOPe promise not to run third party?


President Thad Cochran.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 07:30 AM (oVJmc)

84 @78

Actually I saw Trumps PP stance as the perfect Triangulation and rebuke of the stupidity that rolled at of Jebs mouth.

He said we have to cut off funding of abortion but we gotta take care of woman so we'll look at the positive aspects of PP because we gotta take of woman, can you believe what that idiot Bush said.

Straight up Clintonian Triangulation on display.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 18, 2015 07:31 AM (mysAS)

85
And Perry? At 2%, getting beaten by None of the Above 5% and just above No Opinion 1%.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 07:31 AM (kdS6q)

86 It's a little early for whining.

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 07:25 AM


For the Down-with-Donald cadres, too.

Supposedly "thoughtful" conservatives who get their feathers ruffled because of Trump's hair, helicopter, belligerence, etc. (and, of course, because he's Not a Real Politician) are getting as tiring as some of his supporters.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 07:33 AM (0atQl)

87 what i don't get is the venomous hate of trump.....if your so sure he's not going to be the candidate....why are your panties in a twist?

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 18, 2015 07:33 AM (0O7c5)

88 Given that they will trot out a prostitute as a long time love interest to torpedo the political career of someone advocating tax policy changes. That they will go after a Star for doing standard-Hollywood-practices (standard for Bill Clinton and most of DC too) for saying pull-up-your-pants-and-get-a-job. I'm expecting Seal Team Six to be sent after Trump. The establishment is expecting amnesty and the removal of sanctions on Iran to save their heads from the guillotine.

Posted by: Nasty truth at August 18, 2015 07:34 AM (rnH8X)

89 >>There is not a single candidate in -- or even near -- the race to whom that can't be done. Do a little research and you can dig up disqualifying words straight from the mouths of each of them. Yes, even Conservative Heroes like Cruz and Walker.

With Trump, it is not a single word or issue. This is a guy who supported Nancy Pelosi, abortion, single payer and on and on. Until recently, he was much closer to a liberal Democrat than a conservative and he has given me no reason to believe his conversion is legit as opposed to campaign convenience.

Everyone understands the appeal Trump has to many including me with his current actions. He is moving the conversation to places we want and one that a lot who are supposedly on our side go softly if at all but it is also possible to be happy with what he is doing now but don't want him as the nominee.

And as blaster said, if you are going to use Andrew Brietbart as justification for supporting Trump you should read what he actually said about Trump.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2015 07:35 AM (OGm46)

90 It's funny, I see the racist GOP has a new candidate poll out this morning. There are 2 Hispanic and one black in the top 5. Also a woman is nearing the top group. Waiting on an MSM report.

Posted by: redenzo at August 18, 2015 07:35 AM (WCnJW)

91 @ 38. "...the perfect "fuck you" candidate." Agree.

"Trump You" to the donks, the MFM, GOPe, and D.C. in general. We have suffered with your "change" low these many years. It sucks. Now we demand our "change".

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at August 18, 2015 07:36 AM (1uTkE)

92 @72 I am going to the mattresses with him.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 18, 2015 07:23 AM (mysAS)


Me too!

Posted by: Columbia mattress girl at August 18, 2015 07:36 AM (ueOgE)

93 So, only for sports fans? Not for the rest of us? Isn't that rather, "sportist"?

Morning to you, too, btw. A dark gray and misty moisty morning it is here.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 18, 2015 07:37 AM (xetep)

94 I'm having fun watching Trump having fun, for now. I have no idea what will happen. Some days I wonder if Trump is a DNC plant, a Ross Perot to hand Hillary! the win. Some days I wonder if that was the plan, but then Trump realized he might actually win the Republican nomination and is off the reservation now. Some days I wonder if he thought to himself: if that incompetent fcuk up Obama can be president, why not me with my golden cornsilk hair? I don't know. But he got up there and said out loud (basically) something that I've always wondered: why are the children of illegal aliens allowed to profit from their parents' crimes? I stole this money, but gave it to my kid. It's my kid's money now, so he can share it with me, and you can't take it away from any of us. Never made sense to me.

Posted by: Gem at August 18, 2015 07:37 AM (xVG7Y)

95 @MP4 this is what gets me about Trump. If you are concerned about abortion, there are a dozen people on the stage who are more committed on that principle than Trump.

Scott Walker actually defunded PP in Wisconsin. He did not triangulate it, he defunded it.

Not to sell you on Walker but that is just an example.




Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 07:37 AM (2Ocf1)

96 The question of Trump's sincerity or ideological purity needs to be asked in the same breath questioning the incerity or ideological purity of all the other candidates and the Party leadership.

I don't know why Trump being Democrat in the past should concern me more than the other candidates and leadership being Democrats in the present and future.


Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 07:38 AM (oVJmc)

97 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 07:31 AM (kdS6q)

Perry made an ass out of himself. The sooner he drops out, the better. But Schmidt and Barbour say they have "other money sources", and believe me they do. Hint: Chamber of Commerce. They need Perry to split the vote for Jebbie.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 18, 2015 07:39 AM (xetep)

98 Is professional drinking considered a "sport?"


-
It's a calling.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 18, 2015 07:40 AM (LImiJ)

99 This is kinda cool, in a heartstopping sort of way. Maggies posted it, and its a thriller. Some guy riding his hyper-fast BMW on a German highway:

http://bit.ly/1Ngtiom

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 07:40 AM (PxqU/)

100 I don't really like Donald Trump. My preferences are Paul, Walker, Cruz.

But, damn, watching him send the GOP-e to the fainting couches is fun.

Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2015 07:40 AM (O7MnT)

101 And as blaster said, if you are going to use Andrew
Brietbart as justification for supporting Trump you should read what he
actually said about Trump.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2015 07:35 AM


Have I done that? I don't think so.

I frankly do not give a shit what a man who left the scene several years ago said about the several-years-ago person whose candidacy I now support.

BTW -- If it is so mouth-foamingly abhorrent to you that some of us are pushing the candidacy of a man who roils up the fat, self-centered and vacuous "Conservative" Media Elites, why aren't you advocating for your preferred candidate?

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 07:41 AM (0atQl)

102 BTW... if you've ever brought a kitten into a home with established cats, you know they are all like "What is this? An Infant member of my species? I hate it! Get rid of it!"

I feel like if cats could vote, they'd be very into Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2015 07:42 AM (O7MnT)

103 Posted by: Kreplach at August 18, 2015 07:31 AM (mysAS)

Here's my take of Trump wrt Planned Parenthood: first he said defund them. Then he said, well they say they do some "good" so I'm going to look into it. Then he seemed to quote their "3%" BS about abortions. But on Sunday he said "PP says 3%, but I've also heard 84%, so I'm looking into it". I think he didn't want to look kneejerk, that way when he comes out AGAINST PP he can say, "I researched it." He'll find out they don't do any "good" at all.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 18, 2015 07:42 AM (xetep)

104 I don't know why Trump being Democrat in the past
should concern me more than the other candidates and leadership being
Democrats in the present and future. Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 07:38 AM


^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 07:44 AM (0atQl)

105 Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 07:38 AM (oVJmc)

Ooh, good one. Would love to hear Trump use that. I still giggle over Trump's owning of being a "whiner", "I'm a FABULOUS whiner!" Trump makes me happy. First time I've been happy while talking politics in a looooong time. Laughter is good medicine.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 18, 2015 07:44 AM (xetep)

106 Morning, Glories!

The world is such a glorious place,
Why is there so much palm to the face?

Posted by: mindful webworker - dances with weasels at August 18, 2015 07:44 AM (Uohrc)

107 86 Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 07:33 AM (0atQl)
=======================

Oh, get over yourself. The guy supports national health care, higher taxes and a bunch of other libtard stuff. I'm loving his sticking his thumb in the eye of the GOP right now, and I'm generally in favor of citizen candidates, but lets not go all teenage gaga over his policies (which often suck).

Let enjoy the ride, and see how the race matures over time. This election isn't a loyalty test, its a contest and people here can disagree, without suddenly being squishes.

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 07:44 AM (PxqU/)

108 Also. I am not seeing people on this blog either as posters or commenters who hate Trump.

To say that he isn't a conservative savior is not to say you hate the guy. We crack on Jeb for giving Hillary some bullshit medal. But Trump gave her tens of thousands of dollars to run for the Senate, and gave money to her phony baloney charity.

You can give me a cost of doing business rationale for that, but explain why that is different than Mitch McConnell?

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 07:45 AM (2Ocf1)

109 I am going to the mattresses with him.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 18, 2015 07:23 AM (mysAS)

Me too!

Posted by: Columbia mattress girl at August 18, 2015 07:36 AM (ueOgE)


Move over, skank.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at August 18, 2015 07:46 AM (zF6Iw)

110 Oh, and I admire Trumps ability to attract millennials and run circles around the press.

Giving credit where due.

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 07:47 AM (PxqU/)

111 He'll find out they don't do any "good" at all. Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 18, 2015 07:42 AM

This is a trap the MFM loves to set for interviewees: If an instant answer is given, the "reporter" feels free to respond with "Are you stupid or what?"

If the subject dares to claim they don't know whatever factoid the reporter is grilling them about, the response is "are you stupid or what?"

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 07:48 AM (0atQl)

112 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 07:11 AM (kdS6q)

I unfollowed Ben D on twitter today, he's obviously a loser. I don't suffer losers.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 18, 2015 07:48 AM (xetep)

113 Trump put the issue of birthright citizenship on the board.

Previously, if anyone even mentioned it they would be branded a racist who is trying to bring back slavery. The media hasn't gone there because they know Trump will hit back hard.

Walker, remarkably, took the anti-birthright position after being asked. Good for him, but he should have seized the moment and launched into a reasoned explanation of why he opposes it.

Once explained, most Americans will agree with Trump and Walkers position. Left to the media, the message will be twisted out of shape.

Posted by: jwest at August 18, 2015 07:48 AM (P/xrJ)

114 >>Have I done that? I don't think so.

Did I say you? No, I didn't. Look up thread and you might see a reference to Breitbart and it certainly isn't the first time.

>>I frankly do not give a shit what a man who left the scene several years ago said about the several-years-ago person whose candidacy I now support.

I don't much care what any commentator says to be honest. I can evaluate who I think is the best candidate on my own. But Andrew was an exceptional warrior for our side and helped energize the movement that Trump is now riding so I understand his relevance.

>>BTW -- If it is so mouth-foamingly abhorrent to you that some of us are pushing the candidacy of a man who roils up the fat, self-centered and vacuous "Conservative" Media Elites, why aren't you advocating for your preferred candidate?

This sort of tactics gets tiring, accusing anyone who has a different opinion of Trump of hating on anyone who supports him. I've said clearly numerous times that I like what he is currently bringing to the race but I don't want him as the nominee because I do not trust him. That simple.

And I have been advocating for the guy I currently support, Walker. I think he has done an admirable job of actually implementing conservative principles in an extremely hostile environment. He struck at the belly of the beast by helping cripple public unions and stopping the dangerous cycle of public bureaucracy supporting liberal Dems.

Fact is right now Trump is getting all the oxygen and that's fine in August of '15. I think Walker and Cruz and some others will begin to get more ink when we get into the fall but we shall see.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2015 07:49 AM (OGm46)

115 Suppressed Flasher: Morning Glories

I admit "Morning, Glories!" was hardly the most inspired of greetings, but it was mine. If SF is going to start using it, I'm a-gonna have t' find me a new one.

Howzabout...

Howdy, podners!

Posted by: mindful webworker - dances with weasels at August 18, 2015 07:49 AM (Uohrc)

116 @103

Abortion is a flashpoint issue and a potential mine field for anyone on the GOP side so I really appreciate the finessing of it and him utilizing it to show how it can be done.

I get what I want, the federal government doesn't fund abortions, and the progs can't attack because PP is still going to get funds to do whatever it is they do that isn't abortion related.

I see it as a don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

It's literally a win-win.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 18, 2015 07:49 AM (mysAS)

117 >>>There is not a single candidate in -- or even near -- the race to
whom that can't be done. Do a little research and you can dig up
disqualifying words straight from the mouths of each of them. Yes, even
Conservative Heroes like Cruz and Walker.

Same goes for you, me,
and everyone else you care to name. Tongues slip, get twisted in knots,
and reveal true feelings. It's what they do.

What's important is
the reaction. Trump will face the barrage and try to force his way
through. Others will lie. Or whine. Or hope their fanbois will rise to
their defense.
.
.
.Sorry but no. Trump has given tons of money to Dem candidates over the years, that is going to make headlines everywhere also. And Trump has consistently sided with Dems on everything from abortions to open borders. He has never held a consistent position on any issue. He had flip flopped at least three times on immigration in the last six months.

Plus Trump does not like to be picked on. He is going to have numerous meltdowns on the campaign trail, some of which will be epic.

I am not a fan of Trump and I do not think he is serious about running. At some point I think he is going to Ross Perot on us, but i will vote for him if he gets the nod.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 18, 2015 07:49 AM (iONHu)

118 97 Aslan's Girl

Over at The Conservative Treehouse they had a really good and thought provoking (possible tin foil hat) posting about the GOPe, Perry, Pataki, Graham and Kasich. The whole dimensional chess thing about splitting votes in key states in order to get Jeb! the nomination.

Interesting read if you haven't read it. 'Splains a lot. To me at least. But I love dimensional hair colors, so I spend time in tinfoil anyways.

Posted by: Usedtocould at August 18, 2015 07:50 AM (vSqfC)

119
Supposedly "thoughtful" conservatives who get their feathers ruffled because of Trump's hair, helicopter, belligerence, etc. (and, of course, because he's Not a Real Politician) are getting as tiring as some of his supporters.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 07:33 AM (0atQl)

None of the above for me. I don't like him because he's not a conservative. I understand he's a big "f you" to the GOPe, and I get the attraction of doing that - but I also think Trump supporters are projecting their own wishful thinking onto him. I will not mock them because I understand the frustration - I just think you'll be as burned by him as by any GOPe candidate. I've learned one thing over the past few years: put not your trust in princes.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. (waving ampersands furiously) at August 18, 2015 07:50 AM (+XMAD)

120 >>87 what i don't get is the venomous hate of trump.....if your so sure he's not going to be the candidate....why are your panties in a twist?
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 18, 2015 07:33 AM (0O7c5)

Personally, I don hate trump but I don't trust him. He's a salesman. I am enjoying watching him move issues though and I can see some of the appeal but I can't seem to take him seriously.

I am concerned by this sort of Sarah palin reaction where everybody is drawing these 'for or against' lines in the sand. To the point where anything other than total love is treated as total hate. (Not you in particular, just a general comment).

Posted by: Lea at August 18, 2015 07:50 AM (vmMMi)

121 The real issue which the Repub party fails to understand is the defection. People leaving the party, looking for something REAL. Be it Indy, Libertarian or even, gasp Democrats. Just somebody who won't keep screwing us! Maybe "the Donald".....maybe not

Posted by: jfalcon at August 18, 2015 07:50 AM (ofYSY)

122 54 Seems Legit,

Here -- Read the disappeared post yourself, as weirddave posted it to his blog:

http://increasinglyuncommoncommonsense.blogspot.com/

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 18, 2015 07:50 AM (gyKtp)

123 We have given GOPe money and support and were told
just elect us and we work to get you what you want to have only seconds
after giving them majorities and power for them to shit down our
throats.

...
Posted by: Kreplach at August 18, 2015 07:23 AM (mysAS)


This time out (2014 Congressional election) "our" GOPe Cartel basically didn't even wait until the fricking votes had been entered in the public record to take "Impeachment off the table" and vote for Porkulous II the CR-Omnibus, in total collaboration with Reid. So "Fuck You, WAR!" is not an unreasonable position to take.

Posted by: Hrothgar Canoeist Extraordinaire at August 18, 2015 07:51 AM (ftVQq)

124 One of the bad things about living near Boston is being inundated daily by "news" about the local sports franchises. The Pats being the worst offenders, of course. If Tom Brady breaks a fingernail, it's Breaking News.


Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 06:46 AM (0atQl


Heh. We live in N. Indiana. Can you say 'Notre Dame' 365 days a year? The idiots in South Bend spend millions of dollars on the College Football Hall of Fame, that only the idiots that built it, along with Notre Dame fans, thought was a good idea.

Now everyone gets to pay for it. Even after it moved.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 18, 2015 07:52 AM (7eQGn)

125 Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 07:40 AM (PxqU/)

Yeah it's cool, but an easy way to die as well. When I was in Germany in the 80's, I had to share the road with these assholes who would ride in between the cars in the lanes just like this guy did. It's all fun and games until...

Posted by: LIV is the place 2B at August 18, 2015 07:53 AM (kjqdN)

126 Hard to believe Pixy's even up and running. We were Instalanched at 7:11 AM.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at August 18, 2015 07:53 AM (xq1UY)

127 Sooooooo I was a democrat and now I am a republican....big deal. After 8 years of Obamagong, you must realize there are no more rules to this game right? Conservative smervative it's all about the Win! Baby!

I am going to build that wall and make every illegal alien pay a toll to come across, then deport their ass and make them pay to take the Greyhound home. Pay off the debt you dumbasses have accumulated over the years that way.

Thank God and Greyhound their gone! By the way, you might want to buy Greyhound stock, just saying.

Vote Trump!2016....because I am going to win so you might as well get on-board Baby!

Posted by: Donald Trump at August 18, 2015 07:54 AM (D0NZx)

128 Morning

Posted by: Bigby's Expressive Wrists at August 18, 2015 07:55 AM (3ZtZW)

129 I think Walker and Cruz and some others will begin to get more ink when we get into the fall but we shall see.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2015 07:49 AM


Perfectly fine with me. As long, that is, as they are subjected to the same amount of anal probing being given Trump right now.

I think you may find that both Cruz and Walker have more holes than the proverbial Swiss Cheese in the way they have lived up to their avowed beliefs. Both of them, under that kind of scrutiny, will turn out to be less than meets the eye.

That's not to say if either ends up on the ballot I would stay home or vote for Shrillery as a Protest. I wouldn't. But my days of seeing any candidate as a Bright Beacon Who Will Lead Us to the Promised Land are long past.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 07:55 AM (0atQl)

130
Posted by: Usedtocould at August 18, 2015 07:50 AM (vSqfC)

GMTA. That very link was in my nic for a few days, now it's another gem from CTH.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 18, 2015 07:56 AM (xetep)

131
Personally, I don hate trump but I don't trust him. He's a salesman. I am enjoying watching him move issues though and I can see some of the appeal but I can't seem to take him seriously.

I am concerned by this sort of Sarah palin reaction where everybody is drawing these 'for or against' lines in the sand. To the point where anything other than total love is treated as total hate. (Not you in particular, just a general comment).
Posted by: Lea at August 18, 2015 07:50 AM (vmMMi)

Thank you Lea, you've summed up my position better than I did. I refrain from insulting Trump fans, but I don't appreciate being told that not liking or trusting him means I'm like Lindsay Graham.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. (waving ampersands furiously) at August 18, 2015 07:56 AM (+XMAD)

132 Help, I've fallen in the polls and I can't get up!

Posted by: H. Rodham at August 18, 2015 07:58 AM (NeFrd)

133 g'mornin;, 'rons

Posted by: a at August 18, 2015 07:59 AM (ZQfW9)

134 125 Posted by: LIV is the place 2B at August 18, 2015 07:53 AM (kjqdN)
=======================

Totally agree with you. I admit to watching with a fascinated horror, just hoping the cars (which probably don't see him since he's leaning over and going 150 mph or faster) don't suddenly jerk into the center line. GoPro motivates some of this kind of behavior I think. Whew.

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 07:59 AM (PxqU/)

135 I don't know why Trump being Democrat in the past should concern me more than the other candidates and leadership being Democrats in the present and future.




Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 07:38 AM (oVJmc)


This.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 18, 2015 08:00 AM (7eQGn)

136 I don't appreciate being told that not liking or trusting him means I'm like Lindsay Graham.

Posted by: DonnaV. (waving ampersands furiously) at August 18, 2015 07:56 AM


He might be more like you (at least Behind Closed Doors) than you want to think, Donna.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 08:00 AM (0atQl)

137 Help, I've fallen in the polls and I can't get up!

Posted by: H. Rodham at August 18, 2015 07:58 AM (NeFrd)

You do realize you are eligible for a Hover-Round which can be customized with campaign slogans, like
"Bow down before me,Hillary, So 2016!"

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 08:00 AM (ftVQq)

138 >>>> but I also think Trump supporters are projecting their own wishful thinking onto him


One think-piece an anti-Trumpster could do is an analysis of how he'd deal with a foreign policy crisis.

But, it may backfire. It might be wishful thinking, but I do think Trump's down-deep aversion to losing might result in the US winning wars again.... Guaranteed he wouldn't be like Obama saying he's "uncomfortable with the word Victory".

Posted by: Bigby's Expressive Wrists at August 18, 2015 08:01 AM (3ZtZW)

139 >>That's not to say if either ends up on the ballot I would stay home or vote for Shrillery as a Protest. I wouldn't. But my days of seeing any candidate as a Bright Beacon Who Will Lead Us to the Promised Land are long past.

Ronald Reagan didn't lead us to the promised land. No one pol is ever going to do that. It is a constant process of building a bulwark to push back against the eternal push of liberals to lead us as far from the promised land as possible.

I don't view pols as heroes. I view them as either being on the right side of the spectrum to help lead us toward the promised land or part of the problem. And I don't expect that I will ever like everything anyone does, not even me.

Would I pull the lever for Trump if he was the R nominee? Yes. But I would do it knowing I don't trust him and that is not what I want.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2015 08:01 AM (OGm46)

140 @116 really? Current law is that Federal funding to PP is not for abortions.

There. Finessing done. You got what you wanted.

And @103 you are presuming that a Trumps back and forth on it is actually a strategy that will, in the future, break in a way that supports your position.

But then again, maybe it won't. Like I said, he's the eff you guy, and when he says eff you to you, it will be less charming.

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 08:02 AM (2Ocf1)

141 In all the time I have been here, I have never understood how Pixy's formatting can change from hour to hour (and sometimes seemingly minute to minute).

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 08:02 AM (ftVQq)

142 130 Aslan's Girl

I knew that one of the horde had made mention, but I couldn't remember who. Thanks for the link!

Posted by: Usedtocould at August 18, 2015 08:02 AM (vSqfC)

143 This time out (2014 Congressional election) "our" GOPe Cartel basically didn't even wait until the fricking votes had been entered in the public record to take "Impeachment off the table" and vote for Porkulous II the CR-Omnibus, in total collaboration with Reid. So "Fuck You, WAR!" is not an unreasonable position to take.


2014 was the clarion call. I'm done voting. I support Trump's bomb throwing, bull in a china shop run, but I'm done.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2015 08:03 AM (LImvu)

144 If you haven't seen it ihe video of Trump on his helicopter with Martha Radazz and the kids was pretty good. He's having a good time and I believe he loves this country unlike the sonofacommie bitch and his evil minions.

Posted by: freaked at August 18, 2015 08:04 AM (BO/km)

145
BTW - speaking of Carly, she metioned this:

Carly Fiorina CarlyFiorina
Heres a recap of my speech last night to the Jewish Federation of Greater Des Moines:

And:

Carly Fiorina CarlyFiorina
Glad I was able to visit the famous ISF_ButterCow today. IowaStateFair

But no mention of the AoS podcast.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 08:05 AM (kdS6q)

146 Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 08:02 AM (2Ocf1)

So far, Trump's evolved into a conservative. So, why not? I've researched him since 2011 and every time he changes a position, it is in the more conservative direction.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 18, 2015 08:05 AM (xetep)

147 Morning all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 08:05 AM (gf8BH)

148 And @103 you are presuming that a Trumps back and forth on it is actually a strategy that will, in the future, break in a way that supports your position.

Not at all. I suspect Trump, if elected, would f--k us over just like any other GOP candidate.

Since I don't trust any of them, I might as well enjoy it while he's giving the GOP conniption fits.

Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2015 08:05 AM (O7MnT)

149 Anyone here note Donald Trumps position on the Iran deal?

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 08:05 AM (2Ocf1)

150 If you haven't seen it ihe video of Trump on his helicopter with Martha Radazz and the kids was pretty good. He's having a good time and I believe he loves this country unlike the sonofacommie bitch and his evil minions.
Posted by: freaked at August 18, 2015 08:04 AM (BO/km)

yup, but low bar.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 08:05 AM (gf8BH)

151 Anyone here note Donald Trumps position on the Iran deal?

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 08:05 AM (2Ocf1)


yes. And?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 08:06 AM (gf8BH)

152
Mornin' glories,

QUALCOMM lays off locals after applying for 'thousands' of foreign workers...


Yeah it's a real mystery why immigration is such a hot button issue.

Our Immigration system was never intended to be used as cheap replacement worker body pool and it is in fact ILLEGAL for companies to use it that way.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 08:07 AM (HJqXj)

153 Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 08:02 AM (2Ocf1)

I fully expect the Donald will at some point say eff you to me and mine, but ALL the elected GOPe have been saying this (usually very politely it is true) to me for years.


Since Donald brought it up, unlike the typical GOP contender, it just might be that he says "Federal Law says no PP money for abortions, so let's just have an IG look at the PP books", instead of avoiding the issue like the run of the mill GOP tool! Yes, I know that is speculation on my part.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 08:08 AM (ftVQq)

154 @NGU he will stick with the Iran deal. Got it?

We are all like this is the worst foreign policy ever, and then Trump is like, okay, well, I won't change it. Okay, but excuse me, what the fucking fuck?

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 08:08 AM (2Ocf1)

155 I understand Fiorina was on the AoS podcast.

Huh.

And I had thought she was becoming a serious candidate!

/snark

Posted by: mindful webworker - enveloping the push at August 18, 2015 08:08 AM (Uohrc)

156 Here's some food for thought - if a whole bunch of anti-GOP establishment writers and others you know and respect are against Trump, is the issue that all of them have collectively sold out, or is the problem just perhaps Trump himself?

Posted by: Paul at August 18, 2015 08:08 AM (P1jJI)

157 In all the time I have been here, I have never understood how Pixy's formatting can change from hour to hour (and sometimes seemingly minute to minute).


When the hamster on the left power wheel slacks, it throws the blog wonky.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2015 08:09 AM (LImvu)

158 Sunflowers already going to seed. 55 degrees here on my porch. Autumn is making an early entrance here at 6,000 feet.

Dang. Winter is coming.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at August 18, 2015 08:09 AM (yxw0r)

159 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 08:05 AM (kdS6q)

The political consultants got to her, but Insty will take care of that!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 08:10 AM (ftVQq)

160 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 07:27 AM (kdS6q)

that poll also shows that women's approval of Trump is a whopping 60% while men's is 57%. pundits can no longer say that Trump only appeals to "angry white men".

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 18, 2015 08:10 AM (xetep)

161 Mornin' glories,

QUALCOMM lays off locals after applying for 'thousands' of foreign workers...


Yeah it's a real mystery why immigration is such a hot button issue.

Our Immigration system was never intended to be used as cheap replacement worker body pool and it is in fact ILLEGAL for companies to use it that way.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 08:07 AM (HJqXj)

I just did a quick news search on it. No MSM or large news sources are covering that I can see. A couple of news sources in San Diego are. Silicon Valley and Austin won't hear a peep.

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 08:10 AM (0eidE)

162 >>> I fully expect the Donald will at some point say eff you to me and mine, but ALL the elected GOPe have been saying this (usually very politely it is true) to me for years.


Sure. But a President's freer hand is always in the foreign relations sphere. Would his negotiating/deal-making expertise shine there?

Posted by: Bigby's Expressive Wrists at August 18, 2015 08:10 AM (3ZtZW)

163 @155. Like Groucho Marx, wouldn't want to belong to any club that would have me.

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 08:10 AM (2Ocf1)

164 You can give me a cost of doing business rationale for that, but explain why that is different than Mitch McConnell?


----------

Seriously you are comparing McConnel and Trump???????

Trump basically was buying politicians for business reasons. McConnel was lying and saying he would represent the people-his constituents. But in reality he had sold himself to big business. IOW, he was a bought politician.

Posted by: Chilling the most at August 18, 2015 08:11 AM (zW5rQ)

165 NGU he will stick with the Iran deal. Got it?

We are all like this is the worst foreign policy ever, and then Trump is like, okay, well, I won't change it. Okay, but excuse me, what the fucking fuck?

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 08:08 AM (2Ocf1)

I do not believe that is what he meant. I Believe and I agree with that this "Deal" much like Fredocare, once passed. And it will pass after his Veto, will be impossible to revoke for w whole host of reasons. Not the least is that ALL our supposed Allies are already in bed with the Iranians. And what he said does NOT revoke our right to responc Militarily. So what he said makes perfect sense to me.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 08:12 AM (gf8BH)

166 Oooo Shanghai Index is down 6% today so far.

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 08:12 AM (0eidE)

167 So, any morning chatter about the Bangkok bombing?

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 08:12 AM (Dj0WE)

168
I fully expect the Donald will at some point say eff you to me and
mine, but ALL the elected GOPe have been saying this (usually very
politely it is true) to me for years.


Yeah, as President he might just go along to get along with every leftward action this administration and the lefties in Congress take.

Oh wait ...


The TDS sufferers are like the abused wife that punches the cop for locking up her drunk, abusive husband.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 08:12 AM (HJqXj)

169 Sunflowers already going to seed. 55 degrees here on my porch. Autumn is making an early entrance here at 6,000 feet.

Dang. Winter is coming.



Racing towards Old Man Winter we are. Overnight low was a chilly 81 degrees!

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2015 08:12 AM (LImvu)

170 When the hamster on the left power wheel slacks, it throws the blog wonky.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2015 08:09 AM (LImvu)


Hamster Inequality Matters!

Enjoy this beautiful day, comrades!

I have dogs to walk and brush to clear.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 08:12 AM (ftVQq)

171 I don't fully trust any politicians. I do trust some more than others though. The level of trust is built upon what they have said and done in the past.

I have no doubt that any president is going to do a lot of stuff I don't like. I guess it will come down to who I dislike the least and can trust the most.

Posted by: freaked at August 18, 2015 08:13 AM (BO/km)

172 Here's some food for thought - if a whole bunch of anti-GOP establishment writers and others you know and respect are against Trump, is the issue that all of them have collectively sold out, or is the problem just perhaps Trump himself?

====

Answering for myself, there aren't any I respect anymore and it could be fairly said that I'm the one who has sold out [or am a problem, whatever] becoz I'm no longer a Republican and won't vote for any anymore. They had their chances, over a long time, and blew it totally.

Posted by: Bigby's Expressive Wrists at August 18, 2015 08:14 AM (3ZtZW)

173 @164 yes I am comparing justifications for turncoat behavior.

If you tell me that Trump is a genius businessman for giving tons of money to Democrats the say Mitch McConnell is the devil for compromising with Democrats, well, let's just say that I question the consistency of that.

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 08:14 AM (2Ocf1)

174 Hey Draki!

Yeah here is some more on H1b visa from the US DOL website.

The H-1B program allows employers to temporarily employ foreign workers
in the U.S. on a nonimmigrant basis in specialty occupations or as
fashion models of distinguished merit and ability. A specialty
occupation requires the theoretical and practical application of a body
of specialized knowledge and a bachelor's degree or the equivalent in
the specific specialty (e.g. sciences, medicine, health care, education,
biotechnology, and business specialties, etc.).

Current laws limit the annual number of qualifying foreign workers
who may be issued a visa or otherwise be provided H-1B status to 65,000
with an additional 20,000 under the H-1B advanced degree exemption.


A specialty
occupation requires the theoretical and practical application of a body
of specialized knowledge


"Hello , ten Q veddy mooch for calling Qualcomm how can I utterly fail to assist you today?"

Yeah.


No.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 08:15 AM (HJqXj)

175 "When the hamster on the left power wheel slacks, it throws the blog wonky."

See, if only Bill Nye, the Science Guy could explain things with such clarity.


I keed.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2015 08:15 AM (VPLuQ)

176 Like I said, he's the eff you guy, and when he says eff you to you, it will be less charming.

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 08:02 AM (2Ocf1)


Point taken and appreciated. But I'm already being told "fuck you" by Boehner and McConnell ("oh, gosh, oh, golly, we simply can't defund Obamacare! Think of the optics!!") and Issa and Gowdy ("we just couldn't throw Lois Lerner in jail and feed her on salt water and cockroach pate until she squeals! Think of the optics!"), so getting the shaft from Trump isn't going to be much of a change.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 18, 2015 08:15 AM (zF6Iw)

177 So, any morning chatter about the Bangkok bombing?
Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 08:12 AM (Dj0WE)

Photos of a suspect have been released.

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 08:16 AM (0eidE)

178 156 Posted by: Paul at August 18, 2015 08:08 AM (P1jJI)
=========================

The problem here is that I agree with you, and then George Will opens his nasty little pie hole and so condescendingly tells America to screw off.

As Scribbler said up above, those of us not in favor of DT don't bother him, its those (like George Will) who want to drive Trump out of the village summarily, without even a fair hearing. Personally, nothing gets my goat fastr than those losers in Washington trying to tell me whats good for me, and that especially includes the political geniuses who gave us the Bush family, John McVain and Mittney.

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 08:16 AM (PxqU/)

179 Electability - It's What Plants Crave!

Posted by: Jeb 2016 at August 18, 2015 08:16 AM (FcR7P)

180
He might be more like you (at least Behind Closed Doors) than you want to think, Donna.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 08:00 AM (0atQl)

What evidence do you have of that?

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. (waving ampersands furiously) at August 18, 2015 08:17 AM (+XMAD)

181 So, any morning chatter about the Bangkok bombing?
Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 08:12 AM (Dj0WE)


Seems to be internal Thai Politics and divisions NOT directly related to the Middle East

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 08:17 AM (gf8BH)

182 I really want to know what kind of handshake deal Trump and Cruz have?

Posted by: Jean at August 18, 2015 08:18 AM (ztOda)

183 Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 08:15 AM (HJqXj)

Good stuff, I'm glad the local papers are covering this issue. It means that it's affecting peoples' lives. I'm all for competition in the job market, but the abuse of H1B visas is out of control.

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 08:18 AM (0eidE)

184 We may yearn to "let Go and let God" but it usually doesn't happen until we've exhausted our own efforts

Gerald G May-The Dark Night of the Soul


(Book on spirituality and depression)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2015 08:18 AM (OSs/l)

185 >>NGU he will stick with the Iran deal. Got it?

So will every other Republican. Remember, the GOP Senate greased the skids to make the deal unrevokable.

Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2015 08:18 AM (O7MnT)

186 I"d say its probably just non-aggression at this point, Jean

Posted by: Bigby's Expressive Wrists at August 18, 2015 08:19 AM (3ZtZW)

187 Also, the defense in depth of Trump is interesting to watch. First it was all like he is super Fighty McFighterson for my way of thinking and not like a politician that is why I think he is the balls, and when it is pointed out that his position may be very recent in its occupancy of Trumps mouth, then it's well he's just going to be like every other politician so that is why I think he is the balls.

Again, having trouble with the consistency.

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 08:19 AM (2Ocf1)

188 NGU he will stick with the Iran deal. Got it?

So will every other Republican. Remember, the GOP Senate greased the skids to make the deal unrevokable.
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2015 08:18 AM (O7MnT)

THIS Deal was a good as done the minute Fredo was re-elected.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 08:21 AM (gf8BH)

189 Seems to be internal Thai Politics and divisions NOT directly related to the Middle East
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 08:17 AM (gf8BH)


Really? It happened in a tourist area, and the blurry first pics of the bomber, my first thought was "white guy."

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 08:21 AM (Dj0WE)

190 >>So the SJW's of this world can hyperventilate all they want- but good looking, smart, and fun will kick dull and ugly SJW asses every day of the week, and twice on Saturday nights.

Yep.
The can keep trying to sell us Caitlyn Jenner as the new normal, but we can recognize normal, healthy, happy, attractive people quite easily - which is no doubt why that video had to be deep-sixed!!!!

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 08:21 AM (NOIQH)

191 If you want your mind completely blown go look at these stats for H1b jobs .

http://tinyurl.com/nkft9rm


DOL actually received almost 500,000 applications from employers for H1b visas IN 2015 alone!

This way they can petition Congress for MOAR H1bs while Americans are standing in line at the unemployment office or have given up completely.

Unbelievable.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 08:21 AM (HJqXj)

192 So, any morning chatter about the Bangkok bombing?

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 08:12 AM (Dj0WE)

I suspect Religion of Peace even tho pundits think it might be an anti-gov "red shirt" group?

I'm guessing ROP b/c: Thailand borders Malaysia, big Muslim country. Splodey events usually are Islam. A *religious* shrine was targetted. It all smells like Muslims to me.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 18, 2015 08:21 AM (xetep)

193 Carly Fiorina CarlyFiorina Glad I was able to visit the famous ISF_ButterCow today. IowaStateFair But no mention of the AoS podcast. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 08:05 AM

Compared the the Famous ISF Butter Cow, Ace is obviously just small potatoes.

Priorities, you know.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 08:21 AM (0atQl)

194 Good morning, y'all. Looks like I get to make a run at the weekly wall of shame now that I'm going to be laid up for at least a week with nothing to do.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 18, 2015 08:22 AM (nL0sw)

195 If the Donald wins will GOPe promise not to run third party?

I kind of think they'll go first party.

Posted by: t-bird at August 18, 2015 08:22 AM (FcR7P)

196
And I have been advocating for the guy I currently support, Walker. I think he has done an admirable job of actually implementing conservative principles in an extremely hostile environment. He struck at the belly of the beast by helping cripple public unions and stopping the dangerous cycle of public bureaucracy supporting liberal Dems.

Fact is right now Trump is getting all the oxygen and that's fine in August of '15. I think Walker and Cruz and some others will begin to get more ink when we get into the fall but we shall see.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2015 07:49 AM (OGm46)

This is a good point. I am a fan of both Walker and Cruz as well. That's the ticket I would love to see, ideally. The implacable executive and the principled firebrand with more smarts than Obama and his entire cabinet. At this point I like Trump, a lot, but I don't 100% trust him, either.

Posted by: Gem at August 18, 2015 08:22 AM (c+gwp)

197 Thailand has a bunch of Malay muzzies in the South who are restless. Probably supported by various Islamic entities within Malaysia. The bombings are a step up from the beheadings they were previously doing.

There is a local politics mix in there as well. Resources, autonomy, etc., doesn't help that Thai government is all screwed up. I have a install coming up in Thailand, so I keep a eyeball on it.

Posted by: Jean at August 18, 2015 08:22 AM (ztOda)

198 Again, having trouble with the consistency.

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 08:19 AM (2Ocf1)


You want consistency.

You'll take coherence.

You'll get cacophony.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 18, 2015 08:23 AM (Dj0WE)

199 Meanwhile Fredo is releasing classified DOCs related to Israel's Nuke Program to embarrass Israel and push his POS Iran deal forward. This is an all out war on Israel and Jews, aided and abetted by JINOS

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 08:23 AM (gf8BH)

200 >>So will every other Republican. Remember, the GOP Senate greased the skids to make the deal unrevokable.

I'm really at a loss as to why so many continue to believe that Congress ever had any real power to stop the sanctions from collapsing when even a cursory look at what Iran has been up to since the UN SC was taken shows that the deal is done.

For example, it is being reported that as early as next week Iran and Russia are going to complete the deal for the S-300 missiles Iran has been jonesing for since before the sanctions. These are defensive missiles that will be used to protect Iran's nuclear sites from attack and were prohibited under the international sanctions agreement.

The rest of the world does not care what the US Congress says. They wanted a deal they could vote on at the UN and Obama delivered.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2015 08:24 AM (OGm46)

201 First it was all like he is super Fighty McFighterson for my way of thinking and not like a politician that is why I think he is the balls, and when it is pointed out that his position may be very recent in its occupancy of Trumps mouth, then it's well he's just going to be like every other politician so that is why I think he is the balls.

I think that's a gross mischaracterization.

For the first, I don't think there's a universality in why people support Trump, I think there are a range of reasons.

For the second, you confuse supporting Trump with understanding the Trump phenomenon. Two completely different things.

For the third, there are a lot of people, like myself, who've never been supporters of the man, but support the ideas he has been espousing within the campaign.

For the fourth, there are a lot of people, like myself, who've never supported Trump the man, but are fascinated at the ham-handed attempts of the establishment GOP to smack him down as he proves all of their conventional wisdom wrong.

Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2015 08:25 AM (O7MnT)

202 Ten powerful quotes by Corrie Ten Boom-Dutch woman who helped hide Jews in Holland and was sent to a concentration camp:

http://tinyurl.com/nup6duz

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2015 08:26 AM (OSs/l)

203 Meanwhile Fredo is releasing classified DOCs related
to Israel's Nuke Program to embarrass Israel and push his POS Iran deal
forward. This is an all out war on Israel and Jews, aided and abetted
by JINOS

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 08:23 AM


He's got Al Sharpton on board too, and I'm sure "Hymietown" Jackson will soon chime in as well.

For Choom Boy this is a win/win deal. In a single move he can damage both America and Israel, two countries he hates with a passion.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 08:26 AM (0atQl)

204 The guy in the photo does look white or middle eastern. Good chance it's a muslim bombing.

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 08:26 AM (0eidE)

205 @185 has every other Republican candidate said that they will stick with the Iran deal?

Scott Walker and Ted Cruz both have said they will revoke it day one. So did Rick Perry. And Marco Rubio.

You know who agrees with Trump on the Iran deal? Jeb Bush. Chris Christie. John Kasich.

Tell me again how Trump is a big eff you to GOPe.

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 08:27 AM (2Ocf1)

206
H1b is a "TEMPORARY" jobs program. Any guesses about how "temporary" these jobs will be?

And NO US workers were available?

How about no US workers were available at 10 bucks an hour or less.

Half a million applications means that there are 500,000 unfilled jobs out there.


500,000 jobs that will be illegally given to foreigners for pennies on the dollar.


This is systemic visa fraud.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 08:27 AM (HJqXj)

207 >>If the Donald wins will GOPe promise not to run third party?

If Trumpy wins (and I don't think he will, I think this is a just a news story hyped in the dead of August) the GOP will do what they do with every outsider who beats the establishment and try and cut him off at the knees.

McDaniel, Angle, Amash, Cuccinelli... the GOP would rather lose than let one of *those* people win.

Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2015 08:28 AM (O7MnT)

208 Ten powerful quotes by Corrie Ten Boom-Dutch woman who helped hide Jews in Holland and was sent to a concentration camp:

http://tinyurl.com/nup6duz
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2015 08:26 AM (OSs/l)

Good stuff, but it's 40 quotes!!!11!!!

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 08:28 AM (0eidE)

209 Scott Walker and Ted Cruz both have said they will revoke it day one. So did Rick Perry. And Marco Rubio.

Read my lips 'No New Taxes'.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 08:28 AM (HJqXj)

210 >>Scott Walker and Ted Cruz both have said they will revoke it day one. So did Rick Perry. And Marco Rubio.

It's cute that you believe them. BTW, would you be willing to help me smuggle my vast wealth out of Nigeria?

Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2015 08:29 AM (O7MnT)

211 I'm really at a loss as to why so many continue to
believe that Congress ever had any real power to stop the sanctions from
collapsing when even a cursory look at what Iran has been up to since
the UN SC was taken shows that the deal is done.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2015 08:24 AM


Impeachment is off the table, amirite?

While we're at it, we can remove that pesky "treason" statute (and its mandated punishment) from the books, too.

Wouldn't want Congress to have to actually defend America, would we?

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 08:29 AM (0atQl)

212 You want consistency.

You'll take coherence.

You'll get cacophony.




You want consistency.

You take anything but politics.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2015 08:29 AM (LImvu)

213 H1b is a "TEMPORARY" jobs program. Any guesses about how "temporary" these jobs will be?
And NO US workers were available?
How about no US workers were available at 10 bucks an hour or less.
Half a million applications means that there are 500,000 unfilled jobs out there.
500,000 jobs that will be illegally given to foreigners for pennies on the dollar.
This is systemic visa fraud.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 08:27 AM (HJqXj)

Temporary probably in the sense that temp workers will be cycled through with new guys every so often.

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 08:29 AM (0eidE)

214 Scott Walker and Ted Cruz both have said they will revoke it day one. So did Rick Perry. And Marco Rubio.

You know who agrees with Trump on the Iran deal? Jeb Bush. Chris Christie. John Kasich.

Tell me again how Trump is a big eff you to GOPe.
Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 08:27 AM (2Ocf1)


Look you don't like Trump, fine with me. I don't Trust him, although I like some things he is saying. But your totally misreading his comments on the Iran Deal. In addition this is a done deal that can not be revoked no matter what the next "President" does.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 08:30 AM (gf8BH)

215 >>Fact is right now Trump is getting all the oxygen and that's fine in August of '15. I think Walker and Cruz and some others will begin to get more ink when we get into the fall but we shall see.

Those are my two favorites, too.
I see Trump as a useful change agent - he's barging in and changing the debate, moving the "overton window" as ace said yesterday.
And yeah, if he takes some of the MSM heat off other candidate, then that's fine, too. If Walker and Cruz truly deserve consideration they need to find middle ground* between Trump and the Jebbies of the party.

*Though I admit, I'm down w/Trump's immigration paper.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 08:30 AM (NOIQH)

216 I wonder how many Trump supporters were also supporters of St. Sarah the Spineless? She too was going to overturn the Apple cart but didn't have the guts to run.

Posted by: Johnboy at August 18, 2015 08:30 AM (VQ7bK)

217 194 Good morning, y'all. Looks like I get to make a run at the weekly wall of shame now that I'm going to be laid up for at least a week with nothing to do.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 18, 2015 08:22 AM (nL0sw)


Weekly wall of eternal glory, sir! (I've only made it once.) What ails ye?

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at August 18, 2015 08:31 AM (yxw0r)

218 Posted by: Country Singer at August 18, 2015 08:22 AM (nL0sw)

????

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 18, 2015 08:31 AM (0O7c5)

219 Temporary probably in the sense that temp workers will be cycled through with new guys every so often.

As soon as they get uppity and want the company to provide TP.

Posted by: Jean at August 18, 2015 08:32 AM (ztOda)

220 This was written almost a year ago but it is even more true now.


http://tinyurl.com/prb579t

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 08:32 AM (sPO3u)

221 You want to beat the bushed to defeat this "Iran Deal" get enough votes to override a Veto, but even then 90% of the deal is going thru anyway and the rest of the World will ignore what the US Congress does. Should have elected Fredo. Hey what can I say, THAT is the truth

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 08:32 AM (gf8BH)

222 Donald Trump's Clown Immigration Plan

The Federalist - Ben Domenech
---------------------

Domenech is an idiot on immigration. Somehow America will be a conservative country if we just let anyone who wants to come here in.

BTW, one reason Trump can avoid social issues is if we flood the country with other people, we won't win an election anyways.

Posted by: WOPR at August 18, 2015 08:32 AM (nRvEn)

223 As Scribbler said up above, those of us not in favor of DT don't bother him, its those (like George Will) who want to drive Trump out of the village summarily, without even a fair hearing.

Ah, yes, Mr. Will. The fellow who dismissed Reagan supporters as "kamikazes." He's certainly got his finger on the pulse of modern conservatism.

And you knew the GOPe's little house Pekingese would open her silly little yap regarding Teh Donald: "Sometimes an ill wind feels like a breath of fresh air." Sorry, Peggy - considering your panties are still damp from your years-long Obamagasm, you're the last person to be reading anybody out of the party.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 18, 2015 08:33 AM (zF6Iw)

224 You want to beat the bushed to defeat this "Iran Deal" get enough votes to override a Veto, but even then 90% of the deal is going thru anyway and the rest of the World will ignore what the US Congress does. Should have elected Fredo. Hey what can I say, THAT is the truth
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 08:32 AM (gf8BH)


I mean Shouldn't have elected that cock sucker

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 08:33 AM (gf8BH)

225 Temporary probably in the sense that temp workers will be cycled through with new guys every so often.

Posted by: Draki


Yeah this is also part of the problem. DHS doesn't monitor outbound traffic so it is up to the visa holder to leave when the visa expires.

This results in visa overstays and makes today's 'System Engineer' answering phones at Comcast customer support tomorrow's Quikee Mart employee or Home Depot worker, or whatever job they can find "in the shadows".


Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 08:33 AM (HJqXj)

226 In addition this is a done deal that can not be revoked no matter what the next "President" does.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 08:30 AM


Actually, the next Preezy can do whatever the hell he wants. Choom Boy has never met an "agreement" or a law he couldn't ignore.

If Congress wants to suddenly perk up and whine about "executive overreach" when the next C-in-C comes along, that will be on their heads.

The fact that they have sat by timidly while the Mocha Messiah gave the candy store to his Muzzie pals should be enough to send all of them to the penalty box for a nice long time-out.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 08:35 AM (0atQl)

227 >>Temporary probably in the sense that temp workers will be cycled through with new guys every so often.

Yes, the workers are temporary; the jobs are not. It's a great deal for the megacorps, they get cheap workers with the threat of deportation hanging over them should they get any notions about higher wages or benefits. And they get to replace them with a fresh new batch at the bottom of the pay scale every year or so.

Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2015 08:36 AM (O7MnT)

228 Meanwhile Fredo is releasing classified DOCs related to Israel's Nuke Program to embarrass Israel and push his POS Iran deal forward. This is an all out war on Israel and Jews, aided and abetted by JINOS

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 08:23 AM (gf8BH)

Yes....and we better start realizing that since 1979 Iran has been the major destabilizer in the M.E. and it will come down to an Israel vs. Iran showdown sooner or later. Israel will fight and we will have to be involved whether we like it or not. Once the mullahs are removed in Iran a lot of the so-called home grown muzzie groups will dry up like the Soviet sponsored terrorist groups of the 1960s and 1970s. There is no middle ground.

Posted by: Zombie Moshe Dayan at August 18, 2015 08:37 AM (D0NZx)

229 Here is where I am on Trump. It isn't that I like the guy or not. But there is a reality distortion field around him that destroys consistency.

I have said before that the bull in a China shop act looks cool but it breaks everything, even stuff you like.

But people are applauding when he is breaking stuff they like, after reading out from the party people who don't phrase something exactly the way they would.

Compare Chris Christie and Trump on guns for example.

Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2015 08:37 AM (2Ocf1)

230 https://twitter.com/USABillOfRights/status/633617969482997760

from twitter, a link to wnd re: gop trump bashers in "full freak out mode"

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 18, 2015 08:37 AM (0O7c5)

231 So, how many new classified emails will they find on HillServ today that nobody will do a friggin' thing about?

Posted by: Hank at August 18, 2015 08:37 AM (0Aqa7)

232 The Republican establishment continues to be baffled by Americans' concern for their economic well-being.

Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2015 08:38 AM (O7MnT)

233 BTW, one reason Trump can avoid social issues is if we flood the country with other people, we won't win an election anyways.

Posted by: WOPR at August 18, 2015 08:32 AM (nRvEn)

Exactly. Immigration is the cornerstone issue. If we win on it, our victories in other areas might last. If we lose on it, our victories in other areas will be for nothing once the map gets blued by the human wave that's pouring relentlessly across the border.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 18, 2015 08:38 AM (HalrA)

234 Have a good day all. Airport calls.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2015 08:38 AM (OGm46)

235 What frosts me are people like George Will (why people listen to him, I don't know) trying to tell me who I should or shouldn't support, they're wrong consistently and assholes while they're being wrong.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 08:39 AM (Xa4vS)

236 FWIW

[quote]
I know this part of Bangkok very well. The Erawan shrine is in the heart of the business and shopping area... The shrine is a major tourist attraction. The Thai government said the attack was aimed at foreigners. Local media reports that tourists, including Chinese, are among the casualties. ... In determining who placed the bombs or why, suspicion falls upon the Islamic extremist terror movement - aligned with IS - which has emerged from the Muslim south. ... I recently discussed the probability of IS-aligned terror cells from southern Thailand becoming operational in Bangkok and directing their actions against foreigners. Unfortunately, I was correct.
[/quote]
http://bit.ly/1TRfNQc

A site called Stormbringer to which I recently subscribed, but don't really know much about.

Posted by: mindful webworker - just the messenger at August 18, 2015 08:39 AM (Uohrc)

237 And they get to replace them with a fresh new batch at the bottom of the pay scale every year or so.

Posted by: V the K


And they do it by lying on the government application.

Don't forget that part.

The H1b visa was never intended to be a cheap source of bodies for businesses.

In order for it to work that way, someone has to lie or be paid to lie.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 08:39 AM (HJqXj)

238 231 So, how many new classified emails will they find on HillServ today that nobody will do a friggin' thing about?
Posted by: Hank at August 18, 2015 08:37 AM (0Aqa7)



MOAR IMPOTENT HEARINGS!!!!

Posted by: Trey Gowdy at August 18, 2015 08:39 AM (yxw0r)

239 A true conservative would say that the Raiders, Chargers and Rams belong in Los Angeles and would pass a law to move them back. None of the candidates have said this, not even Trump.

I'm not voting for any of the presidential candidates this November.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 18, 2015 08:40 AM (jZCjx)

240 I have said before that the bull in a China shop act looks cool but it breaks everything, even stuff you like.

OT, but whenever I hear this expression I recall the myth busters episode where they built a facsimile china shop and let an (angry) bull loose in it.

The bull didn't break anything. It just walked around all the displays.

It wasn't until they had three bulls in the shop that one of them knocked into a display by accident and broke it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 18, 2015 08:41 AM (x5WT1)

241 240 Yeah but how about a bull ride in a china shop?

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 08:42 AM (sPO3u)

242
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 18, 2015 08:41 AM (x5WT1)

-------

hahahah, excellent.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 08:43 AM (Xa4vS)

243 Federalist:
Why Donald Trump's Immigration Plan Empowers Political Elites

by Scott Lincicome

"First, by almost every metric available, American manufacturing is thriving."


You mean what's LEFT of American manufacturing?

yeah I stopped reading right there.


Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 08:43 AM (HJqXj)

244 It wasn't until they had three bulls in the shop that one of them knocked into a display by accident and broke it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 18, 2015 08:41 AM


If that "experiment" was done with Choom Boy playing the part of the bull, he would indeed break everything.

Which would prove a basic point: farm animals are more trustworthy than President Historic FirstŠ.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 08:43 AM (0atQl)

245 blaster

trump was for gun control but as far back as 2011 he's been against it.....christi....is he still for it? has he changed his position? here's a recent response on gun control by trump

http://tinyurl.com/KindleWireless from the political insider


Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 18, 2015 08:44 AM (0O7c5)

246 The Cards are roosting comfortably, 6 games up in their division. Best team in BB.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 18, 2015 08:45 AM (5buP8)

247 OT, but whenever I hear this expression I recall the myth busters episode where they built a facsimile china shop and let an (angry) bull loose in it.

The bull didn't break anything. It just walked around all the displays.

It wasn't until they had three bulls in the shop that one of them knocked into a display by accident and broke it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 18, 2015 08:41 AM (x5WT1)


Wow! Those mythbusters geniuses are going to kill the whole rodeo industry. So, then, the expression will be:

"Like a mythbusters douchebag at a rodeo"

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2015 08:45 AM (MYSVz)

248 OT, but whenever I hear this expression I recall the myth busters episode where they built a facsimile china shop and let an (angry) bull loose in it.

The bull didn't break anything. It just walked around all the displays.


Then he wasn't angry.
Put a rope and a cowbell around him like at a rodeo.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2015 08:45 AM (LImvu)

249 Can't believe I missed the "Most Mediocre Bands in Rock" thread.

But I belatedly nominate...HEART.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 18, 2015 08:45 AM (7ObY1)

250 What ails ye?



Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at August 18, 2015 08:31 AM (yxw0r)


I had to get a couple of "reverse stitches" put in on Friday afternoon. My newly acquired (and totally unplanned) cardiologist calls them "stints" for some reason. So now that they've let me escape the holding cell, they're telling me I can't go back to work for a week or two.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 18, 2015 08:46 AM (nL0sw)

251 I'd like it if Hans Fiene's piece on Christians Lying to hurt Abortions gets on the dump.

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 08:47 AM (0eidE)

252 "What frosts me are people like George Will"


I don't read or watch him but I'm assuming he's all Jebbed up?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2015 08:47 AM (Tr94w)

253 The next President can burn Kharj Island and the Iranian gas works before the parade ends. Deal's off.

Posted by: Jean at August 18, 2015 08:48 AM (ztOda)

254 This is...just too much. More details on PP organ harvesting that will give me nightmares:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/17/
genetic-research-scientist-likely-some-aborted-babies-are-alive-until-their-hearts-are-cut-out/

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 08:48 AM (NOIQH)

255
Domenech is an idiot on immigration. Somehow America will be a
conservative country if we just let anyone who wants to come here in.


This is just the more of the lockstep, crony capitalism that conservatism has sold it's soul to. If we all just help the donor class get richer by allowing them to defraud the government and taxpayers, they will in turn enrich our Uniparty betters who will TOTALLY represent our interests in Washington.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 08:48 AM (HJqXj)

256 I had to get a couple of "reverse stitches" put in on Friday afternoon. My newly acquired (and totally unplanned) cardiologist calls them "stints" for some reason.


Wait until you have 6 or 7. After that they hand them to you and send you home. It becomes DIY. Ask my uncle.

Seriously, glad you are ok.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2015 08:49 AM (LImvu)

257 BlueState, cleavage has a quality all of its own

Posted by: Jean at August 18, 2015 08:49 AM (ztOda)

258 This is...just too much. More details on PP organ harvesting that will give me nightmares:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/17/
genetic-research-scientist-likely-some-aborted-babies-are-alive-until-their-hearts-are-cut-out/
Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 08:48 AM (NOIQH)

Do you agree that Christians are allowed to expose these atrocities?

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 08:49 AM (0eidE)

259 Will I get banned if I say Rick Wilson sounds like an ass some times on twitter?

He gets paid for his opinions?

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 08:49 AM (Xa4vS)

260 http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/17/
genetic-research-scientist-likely-some-aborted-babies-are-alive-until-their-hearts-are-cut-out/

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 08:48 AM (NOIQH)


Aztec abortions. That's what you get when you combine PP and LaRaza. It's the future.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2015 08:50 AM (MYSVz)

261 >>But I belatedly nominate...HEART.

Dang, no one mentioned that one yesterday, and yes, mediocre.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 08:50 AM (NOIQH)

262 249 Can't believe I missed the "Most Mediocre Bands in Rock" thread.
The Who.
(Ducks)

No, all their shit sounds the same to me, and Keith Moon wasn't very bright: He was the one quoted as saying, "They're going to fly like a lead balloon."
He was talking about Led Zeppelin.
I guess we know who settled that controversy.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 18, 2015 08:50 AM (5buP8)

263
Federalist: Why Donald Trump's Immigration Plan Empowers Political Elites
by Scott Lincicome
"First, by almost every metric available, American manufacturing is thriving."
yeah I stopped reading right there.
Posted by: some random meathead



Scott Lincicome being the CATO trade attorney who was flaking hard for the TPP last month. Totes objective opinion and not at all self-interested.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 18, 2015 08:51 AM (kdS6q)

264 259
Will I get banned if I say Rick Wilson sounds like an ass some times on twitter?



He gets paid for his opinions?

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 08:49 AM (Xa4vS)























he's a whack job....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 18, 2015 08:51 AM (0O7c5)

265 Domenech is an idiot on immigration. Somehow America will be a
conservative country if we just let anyone who wants to come here in.

This is just the more of the lockstep, crony capitalism that conservatism has sold it's soul to. If we all just help the donor class get richer by allowing them to defraud the government and taxpayers, they will in turn enrich our Uniparty betters who will TOTALLY represent our interests in Washington.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 08:48 AM (HJqXj)

I need to study the history of immigration more in early America, but didn't we basically have open immigration around our founding? Except for the chinese. They're only wanted to build railroads temporarily.

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 08:51 AM (0eidE)

266 You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war. Churchills remark after Chamberlain returned from signing the Munich pact with Hitler.


The same can be said of Fredo and Iran

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 08:51 AM (gf8BH)

267 @250


Sorry to hear, CS. "Unplanned cardiologist" doesn't sound like fun.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2015 08:51 AM (Tr94w)

268 Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2015 08:49 AM (LImvu)




Thanks. The biggest downer is the impact to my living of the Moron Lifestyle. Damn you genetics for giving me a heart attack at 43.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 18, 2015 08:52 AM (nL0sw)

269 Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 18, 2015 08:51 AM (0O7c5)

---

heh, I like your spirit!

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 08:53 AM (Xa4vS)

270 McDaniel, Angle, Amash, Cuccinelli... the GOP would rather lose than let one of *those* people win.

Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2015 08:28 AM (O7MnT)

You misspelled "GOP Establishment DC Cartel"!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 08:55 AM (ftVQq)

271 I need to study the history of immigration more in early America, but didn't we basically have open immigration around our founding?



Yes. And you were expected to assimilate and there was no welfare.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2015 08:56 AM (LImvu)

272 "First, by almost every metric available, American manufacturing is thriving."

The Rust Belt could not be reached for comment.

Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2015 08:57 AM (O7MnT)

273 RK, yeah, it's not fun! Damn thing actually hurt. A lot. So all you Morons make sure you know the warning signs, because except for the nausea, I had them all. When I got to the ER my BP was 221/145 and my arms and ears were numb, and that was after the EMTs had loaded me up with nitro.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 18, 2015 08:58 AM (nL0sw)

274 >>Do you agree that Christians are allowed to expose these atrocities?

I don't understand the question.
I believe that CMP should (not "be allowed") be exposing this horrific, lawless behavior by PP. Are the CMP folks Christian? Wouldn't surprise me, but I'm not sure how that factors into whether they should or shouldn't do this.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 08:58 AM (NOIQH)

275 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at August 18, 2015 08:59 AM (kff5f)

276 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at August 18, 2015 08:59 AM (kff5f)

277 Has anyone looked at drudge this morning? Those pictures of Web Hubbel's daughter are amazing.



She's one nasty looking woman, like her mom Hillary.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 08:59 AM (0FSuD)

278
Wow Country Singer best wishes. Aint modern medical science wonderful?

I hope you get to feeling better soon.

Posted by: freaked at August 18, 2015 08:59 AM (BO/km)

279 What could possibly go wrong? I mean other than the NSA taking control and making you feel.the right feelings.

http://tinyurl.com/nh9w94j

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 18, 2015 09:00 AM (ee9LE)

280 Yes. And you were expected to assimilate and there was no welfare.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2015 08:56 AM


Yes. And no. There was "welfare," but it was contained within the immigrant communities and had nothing to do with the feral government. In many instances, classes in the English Language were available as well. The various "tribes" tended to take care of their own.

Well, most of them did.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 09:01 AM (0atQl)

281 "RK, yeah, it's not fun!"


Shit. Glad you pulled through, Country.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2015 09:01 AM (Tr94w)

282 country singer

speedy recovery!!!!! ( i read nausea as nurses....lol)

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 18, 2015 09:01 AM (0O7c5)

283 Yikes, Country Singer - glad you got medical assistance in time! Have a speedy recovery.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 09:01 AM (NOIQH)

284 "First, by almost every metric available, American manufacturing is thriving."

"Because we import subsidized slaves to the US."

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 18, 2015 09:01 AM (x5WT1)

285 Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 08:51 AM (0eidE)

It was a lot harder to emigrate here in days of old, there was no such concept as a social safety net only the freedom to fail, so only the bold (and/or slightly insane) made the effort!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 09:01 AM (ftVQq)

286 I don't understand the question.
I believe that CMP should (not "be allowed") be exposing this horrific, lawless behavior by PP. Are the CMP folks Christian? Wouldn't surprise me, but I'm not sure how that factors into whether they should or shouldn't do this.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 08:58 AM (NOIQH)

Yeah, I think I flubbed the question. What about lying to expose them? I have a hard time justifying the end justifies the means, but I think it is applicable in this case. Yeah, I don't know if they're Christian either.

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 09:01 AM (0eidE)

287 Deport everyone, I say. Illegal immigrants, legal immigrants, people born here, hundredth-generation Lakota - everyone.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 18, 2015 09:01 AM (jZCjx)

288 Thanks, freaked. Yeah, modern medicine definitely saved me. I'm fortunate there's a top-notch cardio center close by.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 18, 2015 09:02 AM (nL0sw)

289 Yes. And you were expected to assimilate and there was no welfare.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2015 08:56 AM (LImvu)

Yeah that's what I'm thinking. I know Freidman mentioned this alot.

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 09:02 AM (0eidE)

290 Yes. And no. There was "welfare," but it was contained within the immigrant communities and had nothing to do with the feral government. In many instances, classes in the English Language were available as well. The various "tribes" tended to take care of their own.

Well, most of them did.



True. Welfare being governmental, charity being community oriented. AND not a lifestyle.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2015 09:03 AM (LImvu)

291 FireHorse for White House Science Advisor?

Posted by: Jean at August 18, 2015 09:03 AM (ztOda)

292 unplanned) cardiologist calls them "stints" for some reason.

Not 'stents'?

Posted by: t-bird at August 18, 2015 09:04 AM (FcR7P)

293 CS, I thought kidneystones at 43 sucked

Posted by: Jean at August 18, 2015 09:04 AM (ztOda)

294 It was a lot harder to emigrate here in days of old, there was no such concept as a social safety net only the freedom to fail, so only the bold (and/or slightly insane) made the effort!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 09:01 AM (ftVQq)

Says the dirty viking who got kicked out of Canada.....

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 09:04 AM (0eidE)

295 271 I need to study the history of immigration more in early America, but didn't we basically have open immigration around our founding?


Essentially free until the 20s. And part of Ellis Island's mission was to exclude the diseased and those likely to become a charge on the public purse.

Posted by: Fox2! at August 18, 2015 09:04 AM (brIR5)

296 I like Walker and Cruz. In a perfect world, Cruz, the smartest of the pack, would be the nominee. Unfortunately Cruz has too much of his dad in him.



He's more a preacher than a politician, which is OK. He just sometimes gives off that vibe that is somewhat off putting.



He needs to get off the Ritilian.



Walker/Fioria?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 09:04 AM (0FSuD)

297 I need to study the history of immigration more in
early America, but didn't we basically have open immigration around our
founding? Except for the chinese. They're only wanted to build
railroads temporarily.

Posted by: Draki


Yeah I have histories of the Trans Continental RR that had stories of 3 or 4 Chinese workers being lowered over the edge of cliff with a few sticks of dynamite and after the bang , they pulled back nothing a burned end of the rope.

The country had no real government benefits beyond staking a claim on a piece of land so the freedom and the opportunity to be a landowner was the draw for foreign workers in addition to regular railroad pay - if they survived.

Now the draw is document and benefit fraud in addition to watering down pay and distorting the labor market so that the Carly Fiorinas and Don Trumps can get rich and buy politicians.

Trump's immigration plan is not a profitable one in the short term that's for sure.

I would really like to hear how anyone else proposes that my kids should study 'STEM' and delay gratification without worrying that any minute the government will approve Hajji and Habib to take away their job for half the pay.


Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 09:05 AM (HJqXj)

298 Essentially free until the 20s. And part of Ellis Island's mission was to exclude the diseased and those likely to become a charge on the public purse.
Posted by: Fox2! at August 18, 2015 09:04 AM (brIR5)

Yeah, so we didn't exactly have open immigration and only allowed in that could obviously work and weren't public health risks. Probably smart since seeing what happened to the Native Americans and the new outbreaks in CA and NYC.

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 09:06 AM (0eidE)

299 Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2015 08:56 AM (LImvu)

Also, no EEOC or minimum wage!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 09:06 AM (ftVQq)

300 China getting ready to deploy it's new MIRV ICBM that it stoled the technology from the Clinton Admin.

Thanks Bill

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 09:07 AM (gf8BH)

301 From Drudge: Socialism triumphant! There is no napkin shortage in Venevuela. Well, OK, they're using their useless banknotes for napkins, but still . . .

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 18, 2015 09:07 AM (ee9LE)

302 Yeah I have histories of the Trans Continental RR that had stories of 3 or 4 Chinese workers being lowered over the edge of cliff with a few sticks of dynamite and after the bang , they pulled back nothing a burned end of the rope.


Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 09:05 AM (HJqXj)


And, interestingly, that's still better than they had it in China. Only silly Westerners call it The Great Wall. The Chinese have always called it, The World's Longest Cemetery.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 18, 2015 09:07 AM (MYSVz)

303 I would really like to hear how anyone else proposes that my kids should study 'STEM' and delay gratification without worrying that any minute the government will approve Hajji and Habib to take away their job for half the pay.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 09:05 AM (HJqXj)

Don't forget they hired Hoo Lee Fock to run the personnel servers for the security clearances too.....

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 09:07 AM (0eidE)

304 Says the dirty viking who got kicked out of Canada.....

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 09:04 AM (0eidE)

Sadly not everyone here now has only ancestors that walked across the land bridge!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 09:08 AM (ftVQq)

305 Iranian leaders prevented a top International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) official from disclosing to U.S. officials the nature of secret side deals with the Islamic Republic by threatening harm to him, according to regional reports.

Yukiya Amano, IAEA director general, purportedly remained silent about the nature of certain side deals during briefings with top U.S. officials because he feared such disclosures would lead to retaliation by Iran, according to the spokesman for Irans Atomic Energy Organization (AEOI).

Amano was in Washington recently to brief members of Congress and others about the recently inked nuclear accord. However, he did not discuss the nature of side deals with Iran that the United States is not permitted to know about.

Great deal Fredo

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 09:09 AM (gf8BH)

306 294 It was a lot harder to emigrate here in days of old, there was no such concept as a social safety net only the freedom to fail, so only the bold (and/or slightly insane) made the effort!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 09:01 AM (ftVQq)

I remember reading that one third of all Italian immigrants returned to Italy. Of course, some went back involuntarily, since, as Fox2! notes, the inspections at Ellis Island excluded the diseased.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at August 18, 2015 09:09 AM (u0lmX)

307 Sadly not everyone here now has only ancestors that walked across the land bridge!

-
I rode a dinosaur.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 18, 2015 09:10 AM (ee9LE)

308 Probably smart since seeing what happened to the Native Americans and the new outbreaks in CA and NYC.

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 09:06 AM (0eidE)

A small price to pay for the sheer beauty of government mandated and enforced diversity!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 18, 2015 09:10 AM (ftVQq)

309 Dump up.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2015 09:10 AM (LImvu)

310 How does one dump up?

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 09:11 AM (0eidE)

311 >>What about lying to expose them? I have a hard time justifying the end justifies the means, but I think it is applicable in this case.

Eh, this is a standard investigative journalism technique.

Hubby watched that "Last Week" w/John Oliver show last night (I had never seen it) and he spend the entire show railing against tv (Christian) ministers who raise money with the promise that it will help heal your cancer, etc. Oliver had spent 7 mos. corresponding w/one minister who kept milking him for more $$. I have not pity for these con artist televangelist types, but Oliver used it to rail against the tax-exempt status of *all* churches. As if all churches were merely rackets to get tax-free money from rubes. Was Oliver wrong to correspond w/the minister?

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 09:11 AM (NOIQH)

312 Hi All! Anybody missing my breathless War on Wymynz deal on Fox?

Posted by: Mayguns Kelly at August 18, 2015 09:12 AM (hKyl0)

313 Not 'stents'?

Posted by: t-bird at August 18, 2015 09:04 AM (FcR7P)


You are correct, I misspelled it.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 18, 2015 09:12 AM (nL0sw)

314 However, he did not discuss the nature of side deals with Iran that the United States is not permitted to know about.
Great deal Fredo

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 09:09 AM


And a great big Hound Dog Howdy to Congress, Democrat and GOPe alike, who sat on their ever-spreading asses and, cowlike, gave their assent to Choom Boy and Lurch's "diplomacy."

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 18, 2015 09:12 AM (0atQl)

315 And, interestingly, that's still better than they
had it in China. Only silly Westerners call it The Great Wall. The
Chinese have always called it, The World's Longest Cemetery.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair


Yes, they understood that freedom was neither cheap nor free.

The current H1B program sells out our birthright of freedom both cheaply and freely.

(as well as fraudulently and illegally)

Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 09:13 AM (HJqXj)

316 Was Oliver wrong to correspond w/the minister?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 09:11 AM (NOIQH)

Naw, I don't think so. Those swindlers have been around forever. Did he make any Steve Martin jokes about Leap of Faith?

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 09:13 AM (0eidE)

317 DUMP

Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 09:15 AM (HJqXj)

318 279 What could possibly go wrong? I mean other than the NSA taking control and making you feel.the right feelings.

http://tinyurl.com/nh9w94j
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 18, 2015 09:00 AM (ee9LE)

So, wireheads. Larry Niven scores again.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at August 18, 2015 09:17 AM (RD7QR)

319 >>Naw, I don't think so. Those swindlers have been around forever. Did he make any Steve Martin jokes about Leap of Faith?

No, nothing that clever - it was more of one long outrage show. I was uncomfortable w/the overall tone that all churches are bad, like these televangelists are somehow representative of religion in general. It's HBO, and they have a definite agenda.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2015 09:19 AM (NOIQH)

320 How does one dump up?

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 09:11 AM
________

It's like a "meteoric rise." Meteors don't rise - they do the opposite - but people keep using that expression.

So:

Dump up up up
Show the world who you are
Take a dump 'ump 'ump
On a falling star
Donald Trump, 'ump 'ump
He's sure to go far
Deport me, deport you
Up to the dump.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 18, 2015 09:20 AM (jZCjx)

321 It's like a "meteoric rise." Meteors don't rise - they do the opposite - but people keep using that expression.

It all makes sense now.

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 09:22 AM (0eidE)

322 The history of Trump's political donations linked in my sock. 55/45 Dem federally before 2011 (and 50/50 at state level); and overwhelmingly GOP since 2011 ($463G contrasted with $3,500).

Posted by: andycanuck at August 18, 2015 09:23 AM (4TTES)

323 Very reluctant to suggest this, but isn't "Jobs Americans won't do" code for "jobs certain American communities won't do?"

Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2015 09:23 AM (O7MnT)

324 V the K @ 323 -

I never thought of that before. Considering it now, I don't think so.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 18, 2015 09:34 AM (jZCjx)

325 I said it before, here is my voting record:

'88 Bush
'92 Bush
'96 Dole
'00 Bush
'04 Bush
'08 McCain
'12 Romney

I did my "duty" and voted for every Repub given to me. Well NO MORE. I've been stabbed in the back too often. I'll vote for who I want in the primary, if that person doesn't make it I'll be drinking a cold beer on Nov 8, 2016 instead of voting.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 18, 2015 09:43 AM (LXJ1e)

326 Pissing off all the right people, this is fucking fun.

Posted by: nowayjose at August 18, 2015 10:40 AM (qQk+U)

327 Being the only "political" type in my family, I usually get about a dozen votes for the GOP candidate. My long time Democrat father passed away this year. I think we will all vote Dem for him this time.

Posted by: Big Ben at August 18, 2015 11:55 AM (mHmjO)

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