Morning Thread (8-10-2015)


Advertise Here! Support Contact Ace: aceofspadeshq at gee mail.com CBD: cbd.aoshq at gee mail.com Buck: buck.throckmorton at protonmail.com joe mannix: mannix2024 at proton.me MisHum: petmorons at gee mail.com J.J. Sefton: sefton at cutjibnewsletter.com Syndicate this site (XML) Powered by Movable Type	Morning Thread (8-10-2015) For sale by owner. Posted by: Andy at 06:03 AM Comments (Jump to bottom of comments) 1 Good Morning Morons. Today is Monday, August 10, 2015. On this day in 1901 The U.S. Steel Recognition Strike by the Amalgamated Association of Iron and Steel Workers began. Like most of the early labor organizations this union was largely communist. This strike failed. In fact it left the steel workers in worse shape than they were before the strike. Eventually the unions succeeded in organizing the steel companies. And eventually the steel companies went out of business and all production moved to non-union mills overseas. Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:04 AM (GpgJl) 2 6 children and 2 adults killed in Houston. But it is OK, it wasn't done by white cops. http://fxn.ws/1L0KOfN Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:05 AM (GpgJl) 3 Cops are fired on at Ferguson protest. Most likely by out of town agitators. http://fxn.ws/1f2UiJ2 Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:05 AM (GpgJl) 4 And while they were not screaming obscenities, shooting at the cops, and other typical behavior they were doing some "free shopping" in a store. I am surprised there are any stores left in Ferguson. http://yhoo.it/1NkL72l Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:05 AM (GpgJl) 5 Walmart can get ready for some lawyering. 7 people were taken to the hospital for CO poisoning most likely caused by construction workers using propane equipment with inadequate ventilation. http://fxn.ws/1ISmVjT Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:05 AM (GpgJl) 6 RIP Frank Gifford at 84. http://fxn.ws/1Kd0ZRj Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:05 AM (GpgJl) 7 Scankles will not be out-commied by Commie Sanders. She will announce another huge federal boondoggle in NH today. She does not say how she will get this through a Republican congress. Or maybe she thinks the Dems will be back in control after she is crowned. http://fxn.ws/1Ixq6Aq Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:06 AM (GpgJl) 8 White bike riders are being hit with pieces of cinderblock thrown from a car. This is most likely being done by black Somalia immigrant muzzies. I derived that from other news sources. We need to bring some more of these savages into the country. http://cbsloc.al/1KcygvW Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:06 AM (GpgJl) 9 The Scankles saga continues as she swearsies that she has turned over all her e-mails. Note the careful wording of this: This follows U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan ordering Clinton as well as two former top department aides to state under penalty of perjury they have produced all government records in their possession. If she has destroyed them they are no longer in her "possession". http://cnn.it/1MWIGWN Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:06 AM (GpgJl) 10 Seattle is at it again. They are about to pass a "guns and ammo" sin tax. I'm sure Roberts will agree with this. http://bit.ly/1EiXDKB Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:06 AM (GpgJl) 11 NYC police commissioner is tired of De Commio's shit and is about to resign. http://bit.ly/1HAPMbo Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:07 AM (GpgJl) 12 Ben Carson calls EE of Red State a liar. http://bit.ly/1DBum38 Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:07 AM (GpgJl) 13 Mark Levin is now going after Megyn Kelly. Calls her debate a National Enquirer debate. He says it was a "ratings gambit". I say he is missing part of this. Fox does not like non-mainstream RINO Republicans. http://bit.ly/1MetItE Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:07 AM (GpgJl) 14 Meanwhile, and I hate to say this, CNN does call this out. http://bit.ly/1gVP2Zw Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:08 AM (GpgJl) 15 The AGW scam is costing $4B per day. http://bit.ly/1OY9TG4 Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:08 AM (GpgJl) 16 This is real chutzpah. Corker has the nerve to criticize the Obama Iran deal now. He must think we are really stupid. http://bit.ly/1NkNbYh Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:08 AM (GpgJl) 17 Old Will was a doper? Who woulda' knew? http://fxn.ws/1IxHc0Y Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:08 AM (GpgJl) 18 The Daily Deals http://amzn.to/1P0rPQd That's it for today folks. Typical slow Monday. Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:09 AM (GpgJl) 19 DAY 1,007 456 to go (529 to Inauguration Day 2017) Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, Mao-suits, McCain's, McConnell's, Mahdi megatons, machiavellian Mississippi mudslingers, McAuliffe's, Maduro's, MIRV's, Mexifornians, mewling mattress myth manufacturers, marriage maimers, menacing Mozillan 'mo's, Myrmidons, Mugwumps, Monrovian microbes, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, microaggressors, minions, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri, malfunctioning Moron microsites and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 06:11 AM (St6BJ) 20 Please meet the stupidest people on Earth: Why Move to Ferguson? Newcomers Share Their Stories http://tinyurl.com/q7eo8mc Taking a two year old daughter into that war zone...... Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 10, 2015 06:11 AM (kdS6q) 21 13 Mark Levin is now going after Megyn Kelly. Calls her debate a National Enquirer debate. He says it was a "ratings gambit". I say he is missing part of this. Fox does not like non-mainstream RINO Republicans. So Levin will now be declared a misogynist for daring to criticize Erickson's waifu. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 10, 2015 06:11 AM (djc4i) 22 Please meet the average New York male: A New York man says it's 'extremely difficult' for him to have sex after his toe was cut during a pedicure, according to a lawsuit. Last summer, Steven Clarke and his girlfriend took their monthly trip to Lilac Nail Spa on West 110th Street in Harlem for $35 pedicures, the New York Post reported. In the middle of the pampering session, Clarke 'felt a sharp pain on his left pinky toe he claims in a lawsuit against the spa. http://tinyurl.com/o57zfsg Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 10, 2015 06:11 AM (kdS6q) 23 Sunday night insomnia is an unpleasant way to begin a new week. Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 10, 2015 06:13 AM (kqGWM) 24 Morning! Sounds like Sefton in that pedicure debacle.. Oh, the horrors! Just kiddin', J.J. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2015 06:14 AM (UpGcq) 25 13 Mark Levin is now going after Megyn Kelly. Calls her debate a National Enquirer debate. He says it was a "ratings gambit". I say he is missing part of this. Fox does not like non-mainstream RINO Republicans. http://bit.ly/1MetItE Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:07 AM (GpgJl) I love Levin BUT, because of his friendship with Hannity it prevents him from really ripping into the network. He destroys Rove on a regular basis, and accused the network's owners of directing the moderators' questions. He doesn't quite let the network have it, as he should. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 06:14 AM (St6BJ) 26 Please meet a jackwad: Erick Erickson: Not much difference between supporters of Trump and Planned Parenthood http://tinyurl.com/p5r85oj Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 10, 2015 06:15 AM (kdS6q) 27 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 10, 2015 06:11 AM (kdS6q) I would figure it's a minor disruption. A guy loke that probably watches his wife with Paolo. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 10, 2015 06:15 AM (djc4i) 28 I hear ya, Walter.. But I slept OK until about 4:30.. doesn't look like I'll be getting back to sleep. I might have to put a "do not disturb" sign on my office door today. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2015 06:15 AM (UpGcq) 29 HotAir links Ace in its Headlines (for a change, it's been a while). Ace - Stop hyperventilating over Trump's insults 28 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 06:16 AM (qCMvj) 30 24 Morning! Sounds like Sefton in that pedicure debacle.. Oh, the horrors! Just kiddin', J.J. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2015 06:14 AM (UpGcq) My feet started getting charlie-horses during sex. Middle-aged thing, I guess. So a nasty cut could theoretically distract you during the act. But that article just smells like another lawyer-induced payday to me. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 06:16 AM (St6BJ) 31 >>> A New York man says it's 'extremely difficult' for him to have sex after his toe was cut during a pedicure, according to a lawsuit. "He felt his testicles shrink as he suddenly realized he was sharing a salon day with his girlfriend." Posted by: fluffy at August 10, 2015 06:17 AM (2iV3X) 32 26 Please meet a jackwad: Erick Erickson: Not much difference between supporters of Trump and Planned Parenthood http://tinyurl.com/p5r85oj Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 10, 2015 06:15 AM (kdS6q) Okay Erick. Cutting up babies is equivalent to calling you a homo. Say they're worse than ISIS and shitlords, too. Just completely go there and become anti-GamerGate. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 10, 2015 06:17 AM (djc4i) 33 HotAir links Ace in its Headlines (for a change, it's been a while). Ace - Stop hyperventilating over Trump's insults 28 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 06:16 AM (qCMvj) I wish Ace would post an article with the word "REVOLUTION" in it. Eeyore Doughboy's little webzine has grown tedious, banal and irksome. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 06:18 AM (St6BJ) 34 #33 - I mean on Tepid Fart's site. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 06:18 AM (St6BJ) 35 Not much difference at this stage between Erick Erickson and Jarles Chonson. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 06:19 AM (St6BJ) 36 11 NYC police commissioner is tired of De Commio's shit and is about to resign. http://bit.ly/1HAPMbo Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:07 AM (GpgJl) Bratton is a hack political opportunist. He should have quit the moment DeBolshevik stopped "Stop and Frisk." I have no respect for him at all. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 06:21 AM (St6BJ) 37 Was it something I said? Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 06:22 AM (St6BJ) 38 >>> Was it something I said? No, carry on. Posted by: fluffy at August 10, 2015 06:23 AM (2iV3X) 39 I'm off reading some of Vic's links.. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2015 06:23 AM (UpGcq) 40 I didn't realize they stopped stop and frisk, J.J. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2015 06:23 AM (UpGcq) 41 Eeyore Doughboy's little webzine has grown tedious, banal and irksome. Posted by: J.J. Sefton Actually, somewhat interesting at the moment. Ed and his crew have been having the vapors over Trump for weeks, a half dozen "outrageous outrage" articles a day like all the other Salem hem-tuggers. But the posters in the comments have had enough and are pushing back hard. And Jazz Shaw, of all people, has gone alpha male and is their clarion. Kinda. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 10, 2015 06:25 AM (kdS6q) 42 41 And Jazz Shaw, of all people, has gone alpha male and is their clarion. Kinda. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 10, 2015 06:25 AM (kdS6q) That's why Kevin Williamson's reaction is a mystery. So, okay, you're (he's) not a fan of Trump, but the vitriolic almost ad hominem attack on him - without addressing the real issue which is why people are flocking to him - is just beyond me. That was disappointing because on the whole, Williamson is quite good. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 06:27 AM (St6BJ) 43 36 Bratton is a hack political opportunist. He should have quit the moment DeBolshevik stopped "Stop and Frisk." I have no respect for him at all. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 06:21 AM (St6BJ) Did he even say anything when De Commio ended stop and frisk? If he did I never saw it in any of the news sites. Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:28 AM (GpgJl) 44 40 I didn't realize they stopped stop and frisk, J.J. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2015 06:23 AM (UpGcq) That was one of the first things De Commio did. Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:29 AM (GpgJl) 45 Is anybody else sick of articles declaring candidates or politicians finished? Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 10, 2015 06:29 AM (djc4i) 46 45 Is anybody else sick of articles declaring candidates or politicians finished? Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 10, 2015 06:29 AM (djc4i) I don't pay any attention to them. Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:30 AM (GpgJl) 47 Here's one Vic missed.. http://tinyurl.com/qyvhy4y A HERO SAS sniper gunned down a knife-wielding Islamic State (ISIS) maniac just as he was trying to brutally behead a father and his young son. The brave British marksman saved the terrified eight-year-old and his father after taking out the crazed jihadi with a head shot from 1,000 metres away. The special forces crack shot then killed two other members of the hated terror group, who were also taking part in the sick planned execution. ISIS militants had decreed that the little boy and his father must die after branding them "infidels" because they refused to denounce their faith. They were just seconds from death when the hero sniper intervened to stop the barbaric killing in the Syrian desert. The pair were part of the minority Shia sect of Islam which ISIS considers to be heretical. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2015 06:31 AM (UpGcq) 48 That sniper thing was posted after I had already put together my links. Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:32 AM (GpgJl) 49 good story either way.. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2015 06:33 AM (UpGcq) 50 43 Did he even say anything when De Commio ended stop and frisk? If he did I never saw it in any of the news sites. Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:28 AM (GpgJl) If he did, it was either half-hearted or in private because Al Schvartzton would have been in his face about it. I think the head of the PBA was publicly opposed to the move, IIRC. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 06:34 AM (St6BJ) 51 In smart mil-blog news, France has bought it's way out of it's agreement to sell the Russians two completed Mistral class LHDs. Now they just have to figure out what to do with them: http://tinyurl.com/qhnaee9 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 10, 2015 06:35 AM (kdS6q) 52 45 Is anybody else sick of articles declaring candidates or politicians finished? Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 10, 2015 06:29 AM (djc4i) Yes. But this is the first time I can recall that after each declaration, the candidate's approval rating and poll position increased. As I say, whatever you think of Trump vis a vis as the actual nominee or even president policy-wise, he is having a very salutary effect on the process. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 06:36 AM (St6BJ) 53 51 In smart mil-blog news, France has bought it's way out of it's agreement to sell the Russians two completed Mistral class LHDs. Now they just have to figure out what to do with them: http://tinyurl.com/qhnaee9 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 10, 2015 06:35 AM (kdS6q) Why, give them to Iran, bien sur! Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 06:37 AM (St6BJ) 54 Looks like it will be slow until the rest of the corgis get here. Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:39 AM (GpgJl) 55 I agree J.J... whatever you think of him, he sure has energized the race. The other candidates should have been thanking Trump for bringing 24 million viewers to a Thursday night debate in mid-summer! Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2015 06:39 AM (UpGcq) 56 55 I agree J.J... whatever you think of him, he sure has energized the race. The other candidates should have been thanking Trump for bringing 24 million viewers to a Thursday night debate in mid-summer! Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2015 06:39 AM (UpGcq) That's why I'm pissed at Fox. A golden and rare opportunity to actually reach a massive LIV audience and get the message out about Planned Parenthood, Iran, the debt, the Democrat-Obama-Led tyranny and destruction. But, Rosie O'Donnell and make Jeb look good. Fox is now virtually as dead to me as the GOP-e Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 06:42 AM (St6BJ) 57 I'm reading another article at Breitbart that Eric Erickson did not invite Ben Carson to his little soiree either.. What a pissy asshole.. The article says RedState's owner is Salem Communications.. and one of their radio hosts will be hosting the next debates.. who the hell is Hugh Hewitt? never heard of him Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2015 06:45 AM (UpGcq) 58 54 Looks like it will be slow until the rest of the corgis get here. Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:39 AM (GpgJl) Considering the top 10 posting list had all of us within a few votes of each other, I want to get a jump on the week. I consider it a badge of honor. Or proof of a wasted life. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 06:46 AM (St6BJ) 59 56 Fox is now virtually as dead to me as the GOP-e Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 06:42 AM (St6BJ) Fox was dead to me before I gave up the satellite. Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:46 AM (GpgJl) 60 The earlier debate was better run, I think. And that early debate drew 6 million viewers.. still twice as many as that libtard Jon Stewart's final� later that night! Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2015 06:47 AM (UpGcq) 61 57 who the hell is Hugh Hewitt? never heard of him Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2015 06:45 AM (UpGcq) Hugh Hewitt's very good. That said, I have not heard his position on Trump and his candidacy. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 06:47 AM (St6BJ) 62 who the hell is Hugh Hewitt? never heard of him Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2015 06:45 AM (UpGcq) Used to be big at Townhall when I hung out there. I left when the trolls took it over. Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:49 AM (GpgJl) 63 >>> who the hell is Hugh Hewitt? never heard of him That's surprising. He used to comment here all the time about here a turn of events would benefit Mitt Romney's candidacy. Posted by: fluffy at August 10, 2015 06:50 AM (2iV3X) 64 FYI, take that latest NBC poll (now on Drudge) with some salt. It polled people already doing surveys on Survey Monkey/Poll Monkey, so it is by no means a truly randomized subsample. People would have had time to Google the candidates names for one thing and I'm sure there was quite a bit if self-selection among those who took and decided to go do something more useful at hotmidgets69.com That said, great news, because this poll in turn will help shape public perception, and Carly and Cruz benefit. Posted by: @PeeteySDee at August 10, 2015 06:51 AM (t0i+Y) 65 And it's the 50th Anniversary of the Watts Riots. LATimes has a selection of articles: www.latimes.com/local/wattsriots/ Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 10, 2015 06:52 AM (kdS6q) 66 Internet polls are worthless, Peetey.. I'll wait to see a real poll.. and even those are pretty much all suspect, especially when they come along with 6-7% margin of error! Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2015 06:53 AM (UpGcq) 67 who the hell is Hugh Hewitt? Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry Our Ted Baxter. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 10, 2015 06:55 AM (kdS6q) 68 I googled him.. he does kinda look like Teed Baxter! Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2015 06:55 AM (UpGcq) 69 Chi-Town Jerry: "...and one of their radio hosts will be hosting the next debates.. who the hell is Hugh Hewitt? never heard of him" Be that as it may, you know who this helps? Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at August 10, 2015 07:00 AM (1CroS) 70 My point is while not scientific, this NBC poll will move a lot of opinion as it is reported and used by candidates it treated favorably, moving public opinion in the direction of this poll regardless. Posted by: @PeeteySDee at August 10, 2015 07:00 AM (/l5vO) 71 >>> he does kinda look like Ted Baxter! You have no idea. Posted by: Mary Richards at August 10, 2015 07:00 AM (2iV3X) 72 Who is Hugh Hewitt? Posted by: Ted Baxter at August 10, 2015 07:01 AM (/l5vO) 73 45 Yup. Every time one declares Trump " dead in the water " his polling numbers go up. Lol. Posted by: Tuna at August 10, 2015 07:01 AM (JSovD) 74 I am Hewitt. Posted by: Groot at August 10, 2015 07:01 AM (/l5vO) 75 Our Ted Baxter. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 10, 2015 06:55 AM I see him more as "our" Franklin Pangborn. Of course if you look around, the increasing presence of pasty, pudgy eunuchs among the GOPe "leadership" (especially among its pundits) does sorta give Hewitt a more forthright appearance, a manly swagger if you will. Posted by: MrScribbler at August 10, 2015 07:03 AM (0atQl) 76 So, this Salem Media. Time for a boycott. How many sites do they own? Probably everything except this one, right? Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:03 AM (St6BJ) 77 Baltimore: 2 dead 4 shot Chicago: 1 dead 7 shot Bernie Sanders will see the light and go into full gun grabbing mode. The Black Lives Matter crowd has got to him and showed him the light. Will Hillary ever see the BLM people, probably not. Posted by: Colin at August 10, 2015 07:03 AM (+ZK9k) 78 Hewitt has the same hairdo/coloration as David Gregory. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:04 AM (St6BJ) 79 77 Posted by: Colin at August 10, 2015 07:03 AM (+ZK9k) Gun REDISTRIBUTION. Take from us and give to the hood. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:05 AM (St6BJ) 80 Of course they had marijuana in their pipe weed mix. Tobacco was typically grown where other weeds would also benefit. It's all good. It's only stupid white people that left out the dope and were smoking poison. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 07:06 AM (x3GpS) 81 I'll be curious to see any FOXNews poll of GOP candidates (although I guess I'll actually miss it since I'm shifting over to One America News for daily info). I'm sure their numbers will be accurate whatever they are. Perhaps we'll be fortunate enough for Luntz and Rove to confirm the numbers. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2015 07:06 AM (1CroS) 82 Black lives matter but not to other Blacks. Black lives be rippin' you off. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 07:07 AM (x3GpS) 83 75 Posted by: MrScribbler at August 10, 2015 07:03 AM (0atQl) Jeez, George Will is turning into an incredible shrinking grandparent. His wig and dentures are now enormous and his voice makes Vito Corleone sound like Jose Carreras. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:08 AM (St6BJ) 84 I've been ignoring Red State and Ericka Ericksdaughter for about a year now. I've noticed a strange new increase in my IQ and cognitive ability. This last few days there's been a set back. But it should pass. Just like a bean fart smelling similar to Ericka's breath. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 07:10 AM (x3GpS) 85 Will Hillary ever see the BLM people, probably not. Posted by: Colin ........ Ha! She's got secret service protection, Bernie doesn't. SS wouldn't have let those assholes within 100 yards of Hillary. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2015 07:11 AM (UpGcq) 86 It's funny about Erickson ignoring Carson. Not ha ha funny. Sort of a, "Let's see how funny it is when people turn clairvoyant and determine you, Erickson, are racist for your obvious shutting out of the black man." And I'll laugh and laugh and laugh. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2015 07:12 AM (1CroS) 87 Carson's aid has called him a liar and his comments Libelous. Not good for the Salem Corp Sellout. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 07:17 AM (x3GpS) 88 Good morning everyone! Whats the good news? Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 10, 2015 07:18 AM (iR/Sj) 89 I'm shifting over to One America News for daily info Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2015 07:06 AM ----------------- Me too. Straight news and I like the commentary they do have, like Tomi Lahren--she's a firecracker! Posted by: IrishEi at August 10, 2015 07:20 AM (E6RIJ) 90 "We the people...." not, We the elite.... How hard it that to grasp? I'm so sick of this sht. Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at August 10, 2015 07:20 AM (rnH8X) 91 DENVER --AP An Environmental Protection Agency official said Sunday she doesn't believe wildlife will suffer significant health impacts from the large volume of wastewater that spilled from an abandoned mine in southwestern Colorado. No problem! Posted by: Colin at August 10, 2015 07:20 AM (+ZK9k) 92 88 Good morning everyone! Whats the good news? Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 10, 2015 07:18 AM (iR/Sj) Our fag is still there . . . Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:21 AM (St6BJ) 93 CrotchetyOldJarhead: "Whats the good news?"* Whatever you do, just skip Vic's notes. Probably best just to turn off the computer, radio, and TV. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2015 07:21 AM (1CroS) 94 I got banned from Hot Air for noting the changes after Salem aka Town Hall bought them out. yep. By the doughboy himself. Dissed me and dismissed me in the comments to, the dick hole. And of course I couldn't retort because I was banned. Bugged him for weeks to take me off their members list. Wrote emails to Twon Hull and made a general nuisance of my self. Damned if they were going to include me in their member stats after banning me with no appeal. Same thing happened with Red On the Rag State later. They didn't ban me openly, I had to find out by trying to comment. Then I couldn't get them to tell me why or when. Just ignored me but also kept me on the membership rolls until I made a PIA of myself and they took me off. If you've been banned somewhere, don't let them keep your membership alive. They can use the numbers for advertising prices and for (in the case of Red On the Rage State) for when they try to sell the site to someone else. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 07:22 AM (x3GpS) 95 It's looking like GOPe is going to have to scramble to come up with a plan B with regards to Trump. The numbers are starting to come in and it looks like he's increasing his lead. Oh and Eric Ericson is a twat. Ok, you want to disinvite Trump over what you're sick mind thought he said, fine, but you invite Megan Kelly in his place? In the dictionary next to lickspittle is a picture of Eric Ericson. Posted by: Kreplach at August 10, 2015 07:23 AM (JbETL) 96 94 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 07:22 AM (x3GpS) I got banned during the Obamacare vote for being caught in a discourse with a few commenters where the word "revolution" was bandied about. I re-registered under a different name but rarely go there. I will now drop the big one vis a vis Salem/Townhall and tell Doughboy to get fucked. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:24 AM (St6BJ) 97 Funny. Two people that I would very likely cast a.vote for were not invited to Erick 'Who?' Erickson's little GOP Shill-athon. So that's 3 people he has successfully ostracized. Nice job, idiot. Posted by: some random meathead at August 10, 2015 07:26 AM (9QUPT) 98 IrishEi: "Me too. Straight news and I like the commentary they do have, like Tomi Lahren--she's a firecracker!" Yes she is. I was having trouble keeping up the pace with her last night. Not the concepts or POV; just, literally the speed of enunciation. I'm hoping she'll slow it down a bit because it seems too rushed. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2015 07:26 AM (1CroS) 99 Happy VJ Day Everyone!...since I am a resident RI'lander...I will be celebrating this victory at the beach!...Have a nice day. Posted by: KWDreaming at August 10, 2015 07:26 AM (Y00o2) 100 You say you want a revolution BANNED! Well you know, we all want to save the world. Some of these folks on the internets got a mighty high opinion of themselves. which is why I lurvs Ace and all the Cobs. I don't know what I'd do if Salem and inhale em were ever to make a bid for here to Ace. Ima feered he'd take (and deservedly so. it's his to do with as he pleases) I Know I'd never be back. I've seen what they did to Hot Air from when Michelle owned it and after. There was a noticeable difference. Plus how the hell would they ever be able to port Pixy to their fancy format? Unpossible. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 07:28 AM (x3GpS) 101 Is anybody else sick of articles declaring candidates or politicians finished? Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 10, 2015 06:29 AM Yes and the shaming that goes with it. They remind me of the Obamites of 2008. Repubs have played to anger for a long time and now they are trying to reign it in. Not. Going. To. Work. I'm not twelve and you ain't my momma. Posted by: Lester at August 10, 2015 07:28 AM (2UPXV) 102 Tearing down and building up A Brooklyn Tabernacle Daily Devotional: http://tinyurl.com/oacbxtb Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2015 07:29 AM (OSs/l) 103 A New York man says it's 'extremely difficult' for him to have sex after his toe was cut during a pedicure, according to a lawsuit. Last summer, Steven Clarke and his girlfriend took their monthly trip to Lilac Nail Spa It's extremely difficult for him because his girlfriend doesn't have dangly bits. Posted by: rickb223 at August 10, 2015 07:29 AM (S9U/P) 104 YOU IDIOTS ARE GOING TO SCREW UP ANDGET TRUMP ELECTED, YOU IDIOTS. sob Posted by: trumpetdaddyissues at August 10, 2015 07:31 AM (N2PoX) 105 Toe Sex in New York! good grief they're such wimps. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 07:32 AM (x3GpS) 106 Bitter Clinger and All That: "I don't know what I'd do if Salem and inhale em were ever to make a bid for here to Ace. Ima feered he'd take (and deservedly so. it's his to do with as he pleases)" Thanks for reminding me. I need to hit the tip jar. He should probably have one of those exceedingly rare bleg posts though it's not in his nature and I don't think he will. Something about Ewok Honor Codes, actually enjoying raiding people's trash, and whatnot. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2015 07:33 AM (1CroS) 107 >>>>Bernie Sanders will see the light and go into full gun grabbing mode. The Black Lives Matter crowd has got to him and showed him the light. Will Hillary ever see the BLM people, probably not. . . .Hillary will never see a single BLM protester. Their pay master will make double damn sure they stay completely away form any event she is at. Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 10, 2015 07:33 AM (iONHu) 108 Morning all. Back from Okinawa and only slightly till out of wack time wise. Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2015 07:33 AM (gf8BH) 109 Wow. So early in the am. Went over to look at RedState. I saw the article about EE and Carson -- I am on Carson's side at the moment. Anyway EE whine about what happened to him and site attacked, twitter thing full, etc etc, family scared (I get that and no excuse) and EE stands behind his "disinvite". Yet at the same time he calls out Trump supporters as like PP tape deniers. And since the tweets etc are from Trump supporters they are being called all manner of things -- by commenters --most recently Trump Brownshirters. How much does DT actually have to do with these people? Who are these people? And who are the people who call them Brownshirters? Whatever is going on in this country -- whacked. Lots of people on site not for EE though. Posted by: gracepc at August 10, 2015 07:34 AM (DMQhB) 110 So over at Breitbart, Megyn Kelly is bitching "How are you going to get past Putin when you can't even get past me?" Well, sugar-tits, maybe if you actually asked the candidates questions about Putin instead of lies about Rosie O'Donnell, you'd have a point. FAIL. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:34 AM (St6BJ) 111 Seniors at a skating park leaning new things and having fun. (And yes, it's a nice little video): http://tinyurl.com/oqjt7hn Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2015 07:34 AM (OSs/l) 112 108 Morning all. Back from Okinawa and only slightly till out of wack time wise. Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2015 07:33 AM (gf8BH) Welcome back, (globe)Trotter! Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:35 AM (St6BJ) 113 >>One America News I am not familiar with this but will check it out. Posted by: some random meathead at August 10, 2015 07:35 AM (N2PoX) 114 2006. For ripping W in Comments over his failed amnesty bill. That place is a GOPe shithole. Posted by: Banned @RedState & proud of it at August 10, 2015 07:36 AM (eup1u) 115 AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2015 07:26 AM -------------------- Hah! I'm a Noo Yawkah and I have trouble keeping up with her too. And she's from South Dakota--it doesn't compute. When she's speaking off the cuff it's supersonic, and when she's reading from the teleprompter she goes into warp drive. But I love the fact that the guests are asked a question and then allowed to speak, for however long it takes to make their point, without interruption. So refreshing. And they report a lot of important international news that's ignored on FOX. Also can't believe she's only 22! Posted by: IrishEi at August 10, 2015 07:36 AM (E6RIJ) 116 So, Trump used that old haggard joke about blood coming out your eyes. "My eyes!" But, this is okay: People Magazine Promotes Gross Feminism: 'Free Bleeding' to 'Raise Awareness' There's a new trend among us! It's called "free bleeding" - where a woman doesn't use feminine products when she's menstruating. Yes. This is apparently a thing, and People magazine thinks it's great. Take Kiran Gandhi, a drummer for several dance and hip-hop acts. Gandhi decided to run the London Marathon "free bleeding" style to "raise awareness," reported People. Yep. That's right! She ran the entire race -- just letting it all flow -- and she didn't even have the decency to wear black running pants. newsbusters.org WTF? The Red Tent has become the Red Circus Act. These are not women. They are de-evolving every day. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 07:37 AM (qCMvj) 117 Any "man" who takes monthly trips to Lilac Nail Spa needs to be dumped in nowheresville Montana. If he makes it back to civilization, we will let him live. Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at August 10, 2015 07:37 AM (rnH8X) 118 You know, a lot of these tweets and such that are cited as being threatening and nasty are not really from those who are fans of who ever? Trolls and mobys exist for that kind of stuff. They figure the volume gives them cover and they get secret thrill of not only scaring/pissing off the recipient but they also get the supposed object of fandom and their legitimate fans in trouble. It's a triple win. Which is why they do it. People who whine and moan about the threats and nasty stuff are just giving those folks what they really want. And it doesn't stop them. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 07:38 AM (x3GpS) 119 Welcome back, (globe)Trotter! Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:35 AM (St6BJ) Thanks. Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2015 07:39 AM (gf8BH) 120 117 Any "man" who takes monthly trips to Lilac Nail Spa needs to be dumped in nowheresville Montana. If he makes it back to civilization, we will let him live. Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at August 10, 2015 07:37 AM (rnH8X) I seem to remember a dumb comedy where New Yorkers Hugh Grant and Sarah Jessica Horseface are in the witness protection program in Montana at Sam Elliot's ranch. At the end of the flick, they show their gratitude and say "If you're ever in New York- -" And Sam Elliot cuts the m off, "If I'm ever in New York then something's gone really wrong." Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:40 AM (St6BJ) 121 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 07:37 AM (qCMvj) Oh good. That means they'll leave little spots all over like a dog does when they're in heat. Great. Why don't we all just take off our clothes and go live in caves down by the river? It's what they think they really want. I'd like to give them a taste of that life. See how quickly they decide they like civilization and all the hygiene rigamarole. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 07:40 AM (x3GpS) 122 119 Welcome back, (globe)Trotter! Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:35 AM (St6BJ) Thanks. Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2015 07:39 AM (gf8BH) Have you been keeping up with L'affaire Trump/Fox News? Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:41 AM (St6BJ) 123 She is insane. "...I ran with blood dripping down my legs for sisters who don't have access to tampons and sisters who, despite cramping and pain, hide it away and pretend like it doesn't exist." "I felt kind of like, Yeah! F--- you!," she said. "I felt very empowered by that. I did." Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 07:41 AM (qCMvj) 124 Have you been keeping up with L'affaire Trump/Fox News? Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:41 AM (St6BJ) Kinda. It's a side show. Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2015 07:42 AM (gf8BH) 125 IrishEi: "Also can't believe she's only 22!" It is quite incredible. I guess she found her niche. But, yeah, OAN is more straight news and less personality driven though Lahren is clearly going to be one. She's going to be a star. I'm certain OAN is going to start picking up share, most of it from FOXNews. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2015 07:42 AM (1CroS) 126 116 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 07:37 AM (qCMvj) Melissa Harris Perry's Earrings Hardest Hit . . . Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:42 AM (St6BJ) 127 >> gracepc The most insane comments at AOS have come from the anti-Trumpers . It appears that they believe.that onlyWalker,Cruz,or even Jeb will save us if we just quit being idiots and ask the GOP to screw us again. The Trump people are tame compared to the Trump haters. Posted by: some random meathead at August 10, 2015 07:42 AM (92YAX) 128 Megyn went to Red state? Doesn't she know what a "Red State" is? Posted by: freaked at August 10, 2015 07:42 AM (BO/km) 129 Funny critters with our help: http://tinyurl.com/pxxu22m Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2015 07:42 AM (OSs/l) 130 128 Megyn went to Red state? Doesn't she know what a "Red State" is? Posted by: freaked at August 10, 2015 07:42 AM (BO/km) She goes there once a month. It's like a mikvah, or something. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:43 AM (St6BJ) 131 91 DENVER --AP An Environmental Protection Agency official said Sunday she doesn't believe wildlife will suffer significant health impacts from the large volume of wastewater that spilled from an abandoned mine in southwestern Colorado. No problem! Posted by: Colin at August 10, 2015 07:20 AM (+ZK9k) meanwhile small businesses everywhere are being hassled fined over commercial water discharge.....did you know car washes have to have their discharge water hauled to a treatment center or invest in an onsite treatment system and treat it in house before it's allowed in the city sewers? Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 10, 2015 07:43 AM (0O7c5) 132 "If there's one way to transcend oppression, it's to run a marathon in whatever way you want," she wrote. "Where the stigma of a woman's period is irrelevant, and we can re-write the rules as we choose." I can think a million things someone would wear to a marathon that would trigger her, causing her to go femi-naze ballistic. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 07:44 AM (qCMvj) 133 Sum Ting Wong with that link Fenelon. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 07:44 AM (x3GpS) 134 meanwhile small businesses everywhere are being hassled fined over commercial water discharge.....did you know car washes have to have their discharge water hauled to a treatment center or invest in an onsite treatment system and treat it in house before it's allowed in the city sewers? Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 10, 2015 07:43 AM (0O7c5) I cannot imagine the outcome of this election. I really think all Americans are fed up (not the leeches, but hard working people). Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 07:45 AM (qCMvj) 135 If Trump is a buffoon and clown candidate, then Fox didn't need to ask the stupid questions they asked during the debate. Trump would have imploded on his own. And while I agree it isn't Fox's job to "get the conservative message out," it is their job to ask serious questions and make the candidates defend their positions. It isn't their job to try and sink certain candidates and protect others. Posted by: WOPR at August 10, 2015 07:45 AM (nRvEn) 136 It's extremely difficult for him because his girlfriend doesn't have dangly bits. Posted by: rickb223 at August 10, 2015 07:29 AM (S9U/P) .................................. I know right?? Posted by: Bruce Jenner at August 10, 2015 07:45 AM (HSmrB) 137 127 >> I agree re. the Trump haters. I see brownshirts before 8 am supposedly from some "conservatives" upset with Trump people who may not be people but trolls. Anyway, you get the drift. Insanity -- so fast -- and so so stupid. Posted by: gracepmc at August 10, 2015 07:45 AM (DMQhB) 138 Fox was dead to me before I gave up the satellite. Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 06:46 AM (GpgJl) Yeah, that's why you link to several stories from them almost every time you do your morning links. Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2015 07:46 AM (gyKtp) 139 My sidebar says 'Let's fight hunger together' and right under that is a link to The AoSHQ Amazon Store. Is Ace hungry? Let's all chip in for a big bag of Ewok Chow. Posted by: freaked at August 10, 2015 07:46 AM (BO/km) 140 meanwhile small businesses everywhere are being hassled fined over commercial water discharge.....did you know car washes have to have their discharge water hauled to a treatment center or invest in an onsite treatment system and treat it in house before it's allowed in the city sewers? Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 10, 2015 07:43 AM (0O7c5) Must be a local thing because they don't do that here. Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 07:46 AM (GpgJl) 141 Erickson has always been a twat, quick to ban anyone who dared to disagree with him. He did the same thing with anyone who said anything good about Romney last cycle. I don't know why anyone would want to hang at a place where you were forced to agree with a fat toad like Erickson. Boring. Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2015 07:48 AM (OGm46) 142 How to obtain peace in times of conflict. Part one of an audio series: http://tinyurl.com/oxmu9ws Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2015 07:49 AM (OSs/l) 143 138 Yeah, that's why you link to several stories from them almost every time you do your morning links. Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2015 07:46 AM (gyKtp) I can pick and choose what stories I look at there. Most of it is AP anyway. With the TV show you have to sit through those idiots in the morning. And then Shee-pard in the afternoon. And BION, the internet site is not as biased as the show because you don't have the talking heads interjecting their crap into the story. Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 07:49 AM (GpgJl) 144 I know. I love how they keep saying he's going to implode and stuff but they keep trying to set him up and they've failed or the situation has failed to produce this implosion. If I'd been Ericka Ericksdottir, I would've has let him come and then given him the opportunity to keep yakking and making his implosion come that much sooner. But he didn't and we know why. Because they don't really think that's going to happen. They're afraid it's NOT going to happen. They know why he's become popular and stayed popular and it's a direct challenge to them, the machine setup and the foregone outcome that they have been working for. They're afraid of the people. And I personally like that they're afraid. Afraid of little ol' me and my stupid redneck ways. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 07:49 AM (x3GpS) 145 >>The Trump people are tame compared to the Trump haters. This is one pissing match I don't want to be in the middle of. Posted by: The Guy Who Always Says Things the Wrong Way at August 10, 2015 07:50 AM (O7MnT) 146 I feel very sorry for the regular people who are trapped by financial or familial situations in Ferguson. They are going to have to put up with this crap for God knows how long. I can't imagine anyone thinking actually moving there is a good idea. Posted by: Gem at August 10, 2015 07:50 AM (c+gwp) 147 135 If Trump is a buffoon and clown candidate, then Fox didn't need to ask the stupid questions they asked during the debate. Trump would have imploded on his own. And while I agree it isn't Fox's job to "get the conservative message out," it is their job to ask serious questions and make the candidates defend their positions. It isn't their job to try and sink certain candidates and protect others. Posted by: WOPR at August 10, 2015 07:45 AM (nRvEn) I was just going to write this. If Fox's intent was to take down Trump, they're strategy was a huge mistake. They could have asked substantive questions about substantive issues where he might have dissembled. Instead they served him up a hanging curve right over the plate. 15 months is still an eternity in politics, but if Trump actually goes all the way, he should announce that he's going to ask Megyn Kelly to be his press secretary. Heh. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:50 AM (St6BJ) 148 THEIR, not they're. Sheesh. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:51 AM (St6BJ) 149 Fiorina: 'I Will Not Replace a Single' Retiring Federal Worker attrition cnsnews.com Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 07:51 AM (qCMvj) 150 145 This is one pissing match I don't want to be in the middle of. Posted by: The Guy Who Always Says Things the Wrong Way at August 10, 2015 07:50 AM (O7MnT) Annie Sprinkle and Adolf Hitler were unavailable for comment. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:52 AM (St6BJ) 151 This is one pissing match I don't want to be in the middle of. Posted by: The Guy Who Always Says Things the Wrong Way at August 10, 2015 07:50 AM (O7MnT) Ditto. I'm more worried about the Yanks losing streak Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2015 07:53 AM (gf8BH) 152 freaked: "My sidebar says 'Let's fight hunger together' and right under that is a link to The AoSHQ Amazon Store." I'm afraid almost nothing undesirable gets through my gauntlet of filters and blockers. I don't see such links. I just send AoSHQ a tip every so often. If I hit the lottery, I'll buy Ace his own dumpster and fill it with pizza and Valu-rite. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2015 07:53 AM (1CroS) 153 Meanwhile over at Buzzfeed. "Take our quiz to see which Harry Potter character you are", scribbler Mckay* Coppins is accusing Breitbart of taking payola from Trump for positive coverage: http://tinyurl.com/pnmpy7a McKay? Seriously? Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 10, 2015 07:54 AM (kdS6q) 154 Jesus. #BlackLivesMatter Supporter Shoots 8 Black People In Head David Ray Conley III, 49, was charged with multiple counts of capital murder, in the deaths of six children and two adults. Five children and three adults were shot point blank in the head.* they're killing children point blank the world is not just burning, it's melting Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 07:54 AM (qCMvj) 155 And I personally like that they're afraid. Afraid of little ol' me and my stupid redneck ways. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 07:49 AM Teh Donald has a rare ability that I really like: he makes heads explode among Democrats and the GOPe alike. A guy who can piss off the likes of Chuck Turd and Erick Ericson simultaneous has A Gift. That he appeals to voters hungry for a forthright, truth-telling candidate is a bonus. If that weren't enough, the reactions to him from the other 16 "Republican" wannabes helped me cross 'em all of my list! Posted by: MrScribbler at August 10, 2015 07:54 AM (0atQl) 156 Quotes from a great book by Phillip Yancey: Disappointment with God: http://tinyurl.com/nl7t39l Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2015 07:54 AM (OSs/l) 157 We all know why GOPe wants trump gone. They want to get back to the very civil orderly loss to whoever the democrat nominee is. The base is excited about a candidate however imperfect he is who is angry about the things we're angry about and who actually seems to appeal to blacks, can't have that. No sir, can't have that. Posted by: Kreplach at August 10, 2015 07:54 AM (JbETL) 158 I did get a kick out of Jazz Shaw having to eat crow and baracktrack on his 'Trump is dead to me now' column. He realized he'd be sitting around HA with not much to do since Trump is, right now, a big portion of total commentary news. And yes, I did invent a new word above; feel free to use it. Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2015 07:55 AM (gyKtp) 159 Donald Trump Builds on Lead After First Debate -- Ted Cruz Surges to Second if Cruz won, I would probably have a heart attack the GOP will not let him win, no way Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 07:56 AM (qCMvj) 160 15 months is still an eternity in politics, but if Trump actually goes all the way, he should announce that he's going to ask Megyn Kelly to be his press secretary. Heh. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 07:50 AM (St6BJ Errrrrrrnk!!! Wrong answer. Andrea Tantaros for press sec. Posted by: Obama spawn at August 10, 2015 07:56 AM (HZ31b) 161 If I hit the lottery, I'll buy Ace his own dumpster and fill it with pizza and Valu-rite. In the meantime let's support Ace so this site doesn't go the way of Dead State. Posted by: freaked at August 10, 2015 07:56 AM (BO/km) 162 Trump is a loose cannon for sure, but he is saying what many of us think, so good for him. I don't think he has staying power but I've been wrong before and I do like seeing liberal and Rhino head's explode Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2015 07:57 AM (gf8BH) 163 >>"I felt kind of like, Yeah! F--- you!," she said. "I felt very empowered by that. I did." Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 07:41 AM (qCMvj) So so dumb. That's a great way to ruin all your clothes too. Posted by: Lea at August 10, 2015 07:58 AM (Nkwq2) 164 >>>> "If there's one way to transcend oppression, it's to run a marathon in whatever way you want," she wrote. "Where the stigma of a woman's period is irrelevant, and we can re-write the rules as we choose." I can think a million things someone would wear to a marathon that would trigger her, causing her to go femi-naze ballistic. . . .I would love to hear her explain how she was being oppressed. That should provide some limited entertainment value at least. Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 10, 2015 07:58 AM (iONHu) 165 Fiorina: 'I Will Not Replace a Single' Retiring Federal Worker attrition Decimation FTW! Posted by: rickb223 at August 10, 2015 07:58 AM (S9U/P) 166 >>if Cruz won, I would probably have a heart attack the GOP will not let him win, no way How are they going to stop him? They don't seem to be able to stop Trump. Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2015 07:58 AM (OGm46) 167 Oh, and Fiorina is dead to me also. I was hoping for her to be in the top tier. And even would've allowed her a special opportunity since she's the only woman running. But after this pile on and her support of a moderator in their quest to cut down Trump with unverified claims of what Trump has said to women and made blanket accusation for him to deny. It was a totally "have you stopped beating your wife" question. Meant to stop him cold and place those thoughts in the minds of the watchers. And ol' Carly steps up and backs MK due SISTERHOOD. Look we've already seen what a Presidency looks like that is biased and willing to take sides does to the country. Do we really want someone who's going to fan the flames of the gender wars? It was such a cheap shot ploy on her part and she didn't need to do it. She could've handled it much more diplomatically and left Trump to dangle in the wind. Sorry Carly You're not Starkist Quality. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 07:58 AM (x3GpS) 168 Trumps' Press Secretary? Holy cow! Easiest appointment in the history of appointments: Sarah Palin Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2015 07:58 AM (1CroS) 169 If Trump is a buffoon and clown candidate, then Fox didn't need to ask the stupid questions they asked during the debate. Trump would have imploded on his own. Agreed. You don't expose a buffoon by asking him buffoonish questions. You ask him serious questions and let him expose himself. Posted by: The Guy Who Always Says Things the Wrong Way at August 10, 2015 07:58 AM (O7MnT) 170 It would not have been bad if MK had went after the other candidates the same way she went after Trump. But she showed serious bias in attacking him only. Fair and Balanced my ass. Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 07:59 AM (GpgJl) 171 g'mornin', 'rons Posted by: AltonJackson at August 10, 2015 07:59 AM (ZQfW9) 172 >>Anyway, you get the drift. Insanity -- so fast -- and so so stupid. This may be wrong but there also appears to be a large overlap between two sets : the former Mittbots and the anti-Trump folks. It's seems as though they can't accept Mitts loss (which was tough for any conservative to take) and have transferred their rage against Trump, who is like the polar opposite of Romney. One of the funniest comments i read last week last week, commenter grump928(c) was tlaking to a former Mittbot /current Trump-hater . The Romneyphile was dragging out the old trope that the evangelicals stayed home in 2012 'which was why Mitt lost. Grump 928 (C) told him that he was like one of those Japanese soldiers from World War 2 found surviving in the jungle in the sixties who thought the war was still going on. I lol'd. Posted by: some random meathead at August 10, 2015 07:59 AM (N2PoX) 173 OK, VtheK is on fire this morning. That's a meme worth maintaining. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2015 08:01 AM (1CroS) 174 if Cruz won, I would probably have a heart attack the GOP will not let him win, no way How are they going to stop him? They don't seem to be able to stop Trump. Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2015 07:58 AM (OGm46) I wrote about this in a previous post, on a previous day, where I quoted how the GOP could do this (I stole from an article I read somewhere). They can rewrite the rules any time they please. They can bully together to get it done. I'll try to find the link. It's easy if they want to. Same for Trump. So all of this is a joke if the GOP has the power to turn anything on a dime anyway. That is why Trump is using 3rd party as leverage. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 08:02 AM (qCMvj) 175 >>And ol' Carly steps up and backs MK due SISTERHOOD Right. Because what this country needs is more identification of exclusive special interest groups who need special rights and protections. Fiorina just dropped into Sharpton territory. Posted by: some random meathead at August 10, 2015 08:02 AM (N2PoX) 176 #ICan'tBreathe Posted by: Rainbow Trout at August 10, 2015 08:02 AM (odKTo) 177 >>So all of this is a joke if the GOP has the power to turn anything on a dime anyway. Not buying it. If Cruz does a good enough job then he will continue to rise. I think people give way too much credit to the establishment and use it as an excuse whenever a preferred candidate doesn't do well. Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2015 08:04 AM (OGm46) 178 Donald Trump should stop talking about Megyn Kelly. Period. Posted by: The Guy Who Always Says Things the Wrong Way at August 10, 2015 08:05 AM (O7MnT) 179 Cruz has to lose the Senatorial way of rhetoric. The heavy handed pauses at the spots in the speech where he's being ponderous and pompous just don't cut it in Real Life. We don't talk like that out here TED. And neither do you except in the Senate. I'd be separating myself from any vestiges of the trappings of a Senator as they don't win the Presidency very often. And I can understand why. The Senate is a special men's club that warp's it's members into oligarchs and demagogues with dashes of pretentiousness and pontification. Get away from that Ted. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 08:05 AM (x3GpS) 180 145 >>The Trump people are tame compared to the Trump haters. Ace seems to believe that anyone not actively denouncing Trump in the comments is mesmerized by his celebrity and too stupid to rationally work through the issues. Only elite writers hold the ability to see the truth with clarity. He may want to consider one aspect of a Trump presidency. During recent interviews, he talks about having Carl Icahn negotiate trade agreements. When was the last time you heard a candidate say that he would delegate a key issue to someone else, effectively admitting there is a person more expert at a certain task? Great executives are broad generalists with vision. They rely on their ability to find and motivate individuals who are expert at their segments. Obama, on the other hand, believes he alone has the force of personality that can make things happen. Clinton, Bush, Obama all relied on people who are supposedly "experts", but only in the political sense. If Trump expands on this course, names cabinet members and top advisors and allows them to lay out their plans, I can see this bringing a lot of credibility and trust to the campaign. Posted by: jwest at August 10, 2015 08:05 AM (P/xrJ) 181 It's seems as though they can't accept Mitts loss (which was tough for any conservative to take) and have transferred their rage against Trump, who is like the polar opposite of Romney. Posted by: some random meathead at August 10, 2015 07:59 AM "Tough for any conservative to take"? You must be making a joke I don't understand. Teh Mutt was no conservative, any more than, say, Jeb! is. I voted for him in the general election -- what else could you do when he was running against Choom Boy? -- though Vermin Supreme got my vote in the primary. The "Republicans" haven't run a Real Conservative since Reagan, and Goldwater before him. All we get is warmed-over Democrats, a tradition that is sure to continue unless someone pops up from total obscurity before the Jeb!/Rubio team sweeps the boards. Posted by: MrScribbler at August 10, 2015 08:05 AM (0atQl) 182 morning all Posted by: Bigby's Floating Finger Sausage at August 10, 2015 08:05 AM (3ZtZW) 183 172 The Romneyphile was dragging out the old trope that the evangelicals stayed home in 2012 'which was why Mitt lost. Posted by: some random meathead at August 10, 2015 07:59 AM (N2PoX) Well, too many in the base did stay home and a big reason was Mitt. I'd like to ask these Mitt-bots why do they think the base stayed home? Sheesh (not you, them). Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 08:06 AM (St6BJ) 184 #178--- Heh. Good one. Posted by: IrishEi at August 10, 2015 08:07 AM (E6RIJ) 185 I'd say that Fiorina is trying to capitalize on her womanhood by backing Kelly to distinguish herself from the field; look, all the candidates are looking for that lever. Not anywhere near to a fatal flaw imo. Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2015 08:07 AM (gyKtp) 186 Morning all... 10 Seattle is at it again. They are about to pass a "guns and ammo" sin tax. I'm sure Roberts... I propose we institute a SJW tax based on voting records. You vote for sanctuary cities, you get to pay for the damages incurred. You vote for PrsidentHistoricFirstCare, you fcking pay for it. Posted by: GBruno at August 10, 2015 08:08 AM (u49WF) 187 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 07:58 AM (x3GpS) She is also on record for blaming Cruz for siding with Obama and shutting down the government. And now she says shut down government if no PP defunding. Or something like that. She is beginning to move and find voice -- such as it is. Posted by: gracepmc at August 10, 2015 08:08 AM (DMQhB) 188 180 Posted by: jwest at August 10, 2015 08:05 AM (P/xrJ) Cliff Notes Sefton: I don't necessarily support Trump as a candidate. I am liking what it's doing to the orchestrated phony electoral process of both parties shutting out anyone who might actually do anything to change the status quo. And that it makes the MFM and DC-establishments heads explode is all the more delicious. Keep it up, Trump. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 08:09 AM (St6BJ) 189 Get away from that Ted. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 08:05 AM It is also trial lawyer and college debater speak. The dramatic pause is so the slow wits can catch up. A very famous lawyer who has a college football stadium named after him (he donated the money) told me this twenty years ago. Posted by: Lester at August 10, 2015 08:09 AM (2UPXV) 190 That's the thing, Trump followed the rules of the debate. He didn't step out of line. His comments may or may not have been appropriate but the main point is he followed the rules. Everyone thought he would just rampage through and ignore the rules. So EE's disinviting him looks petty. Had Trump gone rogue at the debate, then it would have been understandable. Posted by: WOPR at August 10, 2015 08:09 AM (nRvEn) 191 178 Donald Trump should stop talking about Megyn Kelly. Period. Posted by: The Guy Who Always Says Things the Wrong Way at August 10, 2015 08:05 AM (O7MnT) Ha! Thread winner contender. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 08:10 AM (St6BJ) 192 I'd say that Fiorina is trying to capitalize on her womanhood by backing Kelly to distinguish herself from the field; look, all the candidates are looking for that lever. Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2015 08:07 AM IMO, if you'd say that, you'd be wrong. Fiorina didn't "distinguish herself" from the GOPe herd: she jumped on the rickety "Diss Trump!" bandwagon with Every. Damn. One. of the other wannabes. Yes, she differed slightly in tossing out a "you go, girl!" to Megyn, but that was just frosting on the moldy cake. Posted by: MrScribbler at August 10, 2015 08:10 AM (0atQl) 193 Oh, yay! Hugh Hewitt moderating a debate. What a joy. "Tell us, Mr. GOPe Non-Approved Candidate, what you think of Paragraph 12, item 3-c, of House Bill 1024 as it relates to the minority opinion in Jackoff vs Jerkoff decided in 1947." "Can you give a little help here about what your asking?" "You mean you don't know this stuff? And you think your qualified to run for President?! Okay, I think we've exhausted that subject. Turning to you, Mr. GOPe-Approved Candidate, are you in favor of good things and opposed to bad things?" Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 10, 2015 08:11 AM (nFdGS) 194 190 So EE's disinviting him looks petty. Had Trump gone rogue at the debate, then it would have been understandable. Posted by: WOPR at August 10, 2015 08:09 AM (nRvEn) He's not being petty. He does not want to give him any exposure at all. They want Jeb, Kasich or Kreosote and Trump is sucking the life out of their meme/process. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 08:11 AM (St6BJ) 195 Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2015 08:07 AM (gyKtp) It is given her other big flaw: her past support for amnesty, open immigration, The Dream act. And some other CoC favored items that have and are shown to be bad for the country jobs wise. Plus it's an indication of a mind set I become suspicious of when I see it in a candidate for office. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 08:12 AM (x3GpS) 196 And that it makes the MFM and DC-establishments heads explode is all the more delicious. Keep it up, Trump. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 08:09 AM Sometimes you really shouldn't follow the "rules". It is a calculated risk. The discomfort is part of the plan. Posted by: Lester at August 10, 2015 08:12 AM (2UPXV) 197 I bid 1 cent for thread if and only if: I can talk about guns (a mini gun thread). and I can talk about Texas seceding from this OBAMAnation. As a perk there also will be pix of cats , dogs and hot women, not necessarily in that order. Posted by: The Walking Dude at August 10, 2015 08:12 AM (YnWd6) 198 174 Maybe Trump will have bowed out but offers to send his "brownshirts" to protect Ted. Posted by: gracepmc at August 10, 2015 08:12 AM (DMQhB) 199 "Make me a blessing"-an "Upper Room" daily devotional: http://tinyurl.com/o5bupjv Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2015 08:13 AM (OSs/l) 200 That sidebar link with the two women talking about Megyn Kelly is hilarious. Great stuff. Is Black support of The Donald now a thing? Any polls backing that up? Posted by: naturalfake at August 10, 2015 08:13 AM (KUa85) 201 These dumbass candidates need to keep it simple: 1) Secure the border. 2) Eliminate withholding as a prelude to income tax replaced with a flat tax. 3) No overseas military adventures without a Congressional declaration of war. 4) Pimp slap Megyn Kelly like the ho she is. K.I.S.S......you could even call it "keeping it simple stupid for stupid people" as a campaign slogan. Posted by: Zombie Spiro Agnew at August 10, 2015 08:13 AM (D0NZx) 202 I saw Jackoff vs Jerkoff open for Queen at the Hollywood Bowl in '88. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2015 08:13 AM (1CroS) 203 I couldn't find the article on how the GOP can change the rules to block Trump (or anyone else) easily, but this is a great run down, and at the end, shows how they can do it too. Donald Trump's Six Stages Of Doom http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trumps-six-stages-of-doom/ I put Cruz in this category too. They hate him. excerpt Regular FiveThirtyEight readers will be familiar with "The Party Decides" paradigm of the nomination process. It posits that the nominee represents the consensus choice of influential members of the party, and that rank-and-file voters serve mostly to vet and validate the candidates in the event of a close call. Much of the party's influence consists of what you might call "soft power," the ability to influence outcomes by persuasion rather than coercion. But the party also has some "hard power": It literally makes the rules. It can rule against candidates it doesn't like in the event of delegate-counting disputes. It can probably even change the rules midstream. There isn't a lot of precedent to worry about violating, since it's been 40 years since Republicans came close to a brokered convention. If Trump made it this far, the Republican Party would go to extraordinary lengths to avoid nominating him. the piece explains the 6 stages of Doom Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 08:14 AM (qCMvj) 204 Agreed. You don't expose a buffoon by asking him buffoonish questions. You ask him serious questions and let him expose himself. Posted by: The Guy Who Always Says Things the Wrong Way at August 10, 2015 07:58 AM (O7MnT) The simple way to interpret all this is to understand that the buffoons who are having a hard time with the buffoon, Donald Trump, are behaving like buffoons because they are... wait for it, buffoons. They hate Trump, less for being a buffoon, but for exposing their buffoonery. Posted by: BurtTC at August 10, 2015 08:14 AM (Dj0WE) 205 >>>>>> "Tough for any conservative to take"? You must be making a joke I don't understand The alternative to Mitt was a closeted homosexual crypto-Commie Muslim-sympathizing grievance-monger bent on destroying the greatest nation on earth in service to his left-wing ideology and his ego. So yeah.. Tough to take. Posted by: some random meathead at August 10, 2015 08:15 AM (92YAX) 206 @127 The Trump people are tame compared to the Trump haters. Posted by: some random meathead at August 10, 2015 07:42 AM (92YAX) Have we reached full TDS within the GOPe fanboi crowd? Posted by: Agent J at August 10, 2015 08:15 AM (ueOgE) 207 The "Republicans" haven't run a Real Conservative since Reagan, and Goldwater before him. All we get is warmed-over Democrats, a tradition that is sure to continue unless someone pops up from total obscurity before the Jeb!/Rubio team sweeps the boards. Posted by: MrScribbler at August 10, 2015 08:05 AM (0atQl) Yep. Reagan, the two-term DEMOCRAT Governor of California. Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 10, 2015 08:16 AM (HZ31b) 208 Trump increases lead, according to Drudge* Hey, GOPe, get some better liars! Posted by: t-bird at August 10, 2015 08:16 AM (FcR7P) 209 Posted by: Zombie Spiro Agnew at August 10, 2015 08:13 AM Your plan eliminates all of the "approved" candidates. I don't know where Trump stands on taxation, but otherwise he's closer to your wish-list than all the rest. Posted by: MrScribbler at August 10, 2015 08:16 AM (0atQl) 210 201 4) Pimp slap Megyn Kelly like the ho she is. K.I.S.S......you could even call it "keeping it simple stupid for stupid people" as a campaign slogan. Posted by: Zombie Spiro Agnew at August 10, 2015 08:13 AM (D0NZx) When right out of the gate she blasts him with "War on Women" you know that they do NOT want anyone discussing real issues. It's a public execution. I think, that is I hope, that Trump and all the other candidates take note of this because as bad as Kelly and Wallace were, CNN and the others will be 100 times worse. Ignore the question/premise assuming they're illegitimate (99.999% probable), tell the moderator that and just say what you want about whatever you want. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 08:16 AM (St6BJ) 211 Okay here is a question to those of you who say you don't support Trump for president, but you like the effect he is having on the race so far. At what point do you say "okay, Trump's time is up, he has done his job and now it is time for me to consider a 'serious' candidate"? What is the end goal here? Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:17 AM (2XMpf) 212 The way to beat Trump is to ignore him, not attack him. Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2015 08:17 AM (gf8BH) 213 Posted by: BurtTC at August 10, 2015 08:14 AM (Dj0WE) Can you repeat that? I lost a buffoon somewhere in there. Oh. It was Ericka Ericksdottir. THAT buffoon. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 08:17 AM (x3GpS) 214 At what point do you say "okay, Trump's time is up, he has done his job and now it is time for me to consider a 'serious' candidate"? What is the end goal here? Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:17 AM (2XMpf) Talk to us all after at least one or two primaries. Until then it's only mental masturbation Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2015 08:18 AM (gf8BH) 215 207 Yep. Reagan, the two-term DEMOCRAT Governor of California. Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 10, 2015 08:16 AM (HZ31b) ICYMI, Reagan switched parties well before being elected governor. He denounced the leftist direction it was taking. Sound familiar? Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 08:18 AM (St6BJ) 216 I put Cruz in this category too. They hate him. excerpt Regular FiveThirtyEight readers will be familiar with "The Party Decides" paradigm of the nomination process. It posits that the nominee represents the consensus choice of influential members of the party, and that rank-and-file voters serve mostly to vet and validate the candidates in the event of a close call. Much of the party's influence consists of what you might call "soft power," the ability to influence outcomes by persuasion rather than coercion. But the party also has some "hard power": It literally makes the rules. It can rule against candidates it doesn't like in the event of delegate-counting disputes. It can probably even change the rules midstream. There isn't a lot of precedent to worry about violating, since it's been 40 years since Republicans came close to a brokered convention. If Trump made it this far, the Republican Party would go to extraordinary lengths to avoid nominating him. the piece explains the 6 stages of Doom Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 08:14 AM (qCMvj) Yep. As for Cruz, they are using the "soft power" stuff right now. If he doesn't go away quickly enough, they'll use the harder stuff if necessary, but my opinion at this time is Cruz is showing his weaknesses, rather glaringly. Nobody is talking about it, because right now it's mostly about mean Mr. Trump and his dummy, Megyn, but if Cruz sticks around and gains traction, they'll whack him. And they already know how they will do it. Posted by: BurtTC at August 10, 2015 08:18 AM (Dj0WE) 217 I think Cruz is playing for the Trump vote is Trump implodes. Or he is playing for the VP nomination in a Trump run for president. Cruz is walking a fine line of staying just inside GOPe acceptance while making noises about the issues people care about. Meanwhile Kasich is the backup to Jeb?. Rubio has too much God talk which the GOPe doesn't like. Posted by: WOPR at August 10, 2015 08:19 AM (nRvEn) 218 At what point do you say "okay, Trump's time is up, he has done his job and now it is time for me to consider a 'serious' candidate"? What is the end goal here? Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:17 AM (2XMpf) Just because he's in the lead now doesn't mean you must support him as your candidate. Support who you want to. The real question is if - IF - he survives the next 15 months and actually gets the nomination, will you support him all the way??? Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 08:20 AM (St6BJ) 219 I think Cruz is playing for the Trump vote is Trump implodes. Or he is playing for the VP nomination in a Trump run for president. Cruz is walking a fine line of staying just inside GOPe acceptance while making noises about the issues people care about. Meanwhile Kasich is the backup to Jeb?. Rubio has too much God talk which the GOPe doesn't like. Posted by: WOPR at August 10, 2015 08:19 AM (nRvEn) The Rhino Establishment hates Cruz. Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2015 08:20 AM (gf8BH) 220 Yep. Reagan, the two-term DEMOCRAT Governor of California. Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 10, 2015 08:16 AM He was advertising himself as a "Republican" in those days. I know; hell, I even voted for him, in part because CA had already been severely boned by a succession of Democrats even then. I have no no real gripes about RR. He was, essential, a good guy with the right instincts. Well, mostly; he trusted the Democrat opposition to be honorable, which is always a Big Mistake. Posted by: MrScribbler at August 10, 2015 08:20 AM (0atQl) 221 Okay here is a question to those of you who say you don't support Trump for president, but you like the effect he is having on the race so far. At what point do you say "okay, Trump's time is up, he has done his job and now it is time for me to consider a 'serious' candidate"? What is the end goal here? Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:17 AM (2XMpf) What if there are no "serious" candidates? Posted by: BurtTC at August 10, 2015 08:20 AM (Dj0WE) 222 Looking at some photos of the Sanders crowds one would think it was a gathering of the KKK, New York Time editorial staff or Barack Obama's campaign headquarters. And now Sanders has essentially declared Black Protesters Don't Matter. This is going to get better. More popcorn. Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at August 10, 2015 08:21 AM (1BQGO) 223 Okay here is a question to those of you who say you don't support Trump for president, but you like the effect he is having on the race so far. At what point do you say "okay, Trump's time is up, he has done his job and now it is time for me to consider a 'serious' candidate"? Maybe when the GOP starts acting like a serious opposition party and begins promoting some conservative ideas about illegal immigration and regulatory reform. Posted by: V the K at August 10, 2015 08:21 AM (O7MnT) 224 The real question is if - IF - he survives the next 15 months and actually gets the nomination, will you support him all the way??? No. Because he's not a conservative. I wouldn't support him for the very same reason I wouldn't support Jeb! either. Or Hillary for that matter. Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:21 AM (2XMpf) 225 So beautiful pictures of all of the states: http://tinyurl.com/nskz9mo Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2015 08:21 AM (OSs/l) 226 What is the end goal here? Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:17 AM (2XMpf) Precisely. Somebody wants a successful executive for the executive branch but not one that is saying what everyone wants to say but cant because of 'decorum'? right? Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 10, 2015 08:21 AM (HZ31b) 227 Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 07:46 AM (GpgJl) it's not a local thing....it's a federal epa requirement....some laws that were passed in 2012 that no one is aware of.....until a city official shows up and starts shoving papers and statutes under your nose subtly letting you know that there are huge fines if you don't go along with the program....it's ridiculous.....every restaurant is included in this....every single commercial operation... big business, small business....every single business..... Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 10, 2015 08:21 AM (0O7c5) 228 204 >> The simple way to interpret all this is to understand that the buffoons who are having a hard time with the buffoon, Donald Trump, are behaving like buffoons because they are... wait for it, buffoons. Shorter version -- It's buffoons, all the way down. Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2015 08:21 AM (gyKtp) 229 Trump is a loose cannon for sure, but he is saying what many of us think, so good for him. I don't think he has staying power but I've been wrong before and I do like seeing liberal and Rhino head's explode Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2015 07:57 AM (gf8BH) This is interesting. Trump lives in the less than 1% bubble, yet he taps into our anger somehow. Most people at that tier have no idea what is going on "on the ground." The difference, in some respect, is that he is not in DC, where there is a Stupid, Self-Centered, Greedy, Power-Hungry Bubble wrapped around the zone. But he is based in NY, another one with that bubble frothing all over the city. I wonder where he is tapping into this from... Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 08:21 AM (qCMvj) 230 165 Decimation FTW! Posted by: rickb223 at August 10, 2015 07:58 AM (S9U/P) That's only 1 in 10. Surely, we can do better than that! Posted by: Agent J at August 10, 2015 08:22 AM (ueOgE) 231 220 Well, mostly; he trusted the Democrat opposition to be honorable, which is always a Big Mistake. Posted by: MrScribbler at August 10, 2015 08:20 AM (0atQl) He learned that lesson the hard way after Simson-Mazzoli. And he never trusted Just the Tip O'Neill. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 08:22 AM (St6BJ) 232 >>EE's disinviting him looks petty. EE, like MK, made the story be about the them. News orgs becoming the story is unprofessional. Posted by: dogfish at August 10, 2015 08:22 AM (jWtyG) 233 Trump's time is up when one of the actual acceptable candidates (not the GOPe favored ones) rises to competitive levels by repeating or talking similarly to what the Donald is doing. Love for America. Doing what's needed to make America great again. Build a fence first. No action on amnesty until that's done. Heck make the people who want to become legal work on the Fence. Redoing deals and doing them better in the first place. Put America First. Put the American worker first. No Sanctuary cities. Stuff like that. When someone like say, Ted Cruz starts saying that, then I'm all for Trump fading away due to loss of numbers. And a 3rd party won't matter unless they run a GOPe candidate. Everyone leaves off that if they hadn't run milquetoast Daddy Bush, Perot wouldn't have gotten the votes he did. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 08:22 AM (x3GpS) 234 212 The way to beat Trump is to ignore him, not attack him. Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2015 08:17 AM (gf8BH) exactly.... Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 10, 2015 08:22 AM (0O7c5) 235 >>Maybe when the GOP starts acting like a serious opposition party and begins promoting some conservative ideas about illegal immigration and regulatory reform. What serious reforms has Trump proposed about, well, anything? Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2015 08:23 AM (OGm46) 236 Again, I would pay to get a transcript of the Cruz./Trump meeting a couple of weeks ago. Cruz' speech patterns are off-putting. It's early yet. I think he is really connecting by pointing out McConnell's lies and GOP hypocrisy, though. Posted by: some random meathead at August 10, 2015 08:23 AM (N2PoX) 237 I feel very sorry for the regular people who are trapped by financial or familial situations in Ferguson. They are going to have to put up with this crap for God knows how long. I can't imagine anyone thinking actually moving there is a good idea. Posted by: Gem at August 10, 2015 07:50 AM (c+gwp) Starbucks is opening a coffee shop in the center of all this...Can you see the barrister serving expensive cups of coffee to the Homies.... Posted by: Colin at August 10, 2015 08:23 AM (+ZK9k) 238 Agreed. You don't expose a buffoon by asking him buffoonish questions. You ask him serious questions and let him expose himself. Posted by: The Guy Who Always Says Things the Wrong Way at August 10, 2015 07:5 ----------------- Isn't is interesting that the people who complain about Trump's lack of decorum are perfectly fine with the questions asked of him by Kelly? Then they get upset when Trump dishes it back out. Posted by: WOPR at August 10, 2015 08:24 AM (nRvEn) 239 Get away from that Ted. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 08:05 AM It is also trial lawyer and college debater speak. The dramatic pause is so the slow wits can catch up. A very famous lawyer who has a college football stadium named after him (he donated the money) told me this twenty years ago. Posted by: Lester at August 10, 2015 08:09 AM (2UPXV) I prefer Ted's pauses to the other politician's method to help slower thinker's out there- repeating the same damn thing over and over and over again. I don't find Ted's way pretentious but YMMV. Listen to some of Ronald Reagan's speeches. He used dramatic pauses as well. He also changed up his speed of speaking to keep interest which Ted is doing as well. Posted by: naturalfake at August 10, 2015 08:25 AM (KUa85) 240 "At what point do you say "okay, Trump's time is up, he has done his job and now it is time for me to consider a 'serious' candidate"? " When another candidate steps up and starts leading. Quit laying out a your qualifications and get up in front of people and tell them where you want the country to go. Lay out one or two bold initiatives. Capture the public's imagination. Make people want to be a part of the vision. Be a fucking leader. Posted by: jwest at August 10, 2015 08:25 AM (P/xrJ) 241 @211 That's easy. When one of the other "serious" candidates demonstrates they understand and can articulate our anger. Until then and until he truly implodes, Trump is that vessel. SMOD made of flesh and bone and bad tupee. Posted by: Kreplach at August 10, 2015 08:25 AM (JbETL) 242 Meggy McMac is on! With Joel "Bible? What Bible?" Osteen! Posted by: Just some guy at August 10, 2015 08:25 AM (yxw0r) 243 The GOP's goal is to get JEBush to Florida in one piece, a recently changed take-all-delegates state. Get that and then you have all the momentum. The anti-GOPe will need to consolidate early, and that won't happen with so many candidates. So I'm with Trump until Trump is no more. He's the one with his own piggybank and can run until he doesn't want to. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2015 08:25 AM (1CroS) 244 The Rhino Establishment hates Cruz. Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2015 08:20 AM While I wouldn't use the word "hate," I guess on this point I'm with the RINOs. I dislike Cruz, because he's a freekin' phony. He mouths off real pretty, but when you look at what he has accomplished, he has enabled Choom Boy, ducked important votes in the Senate, and tends toward the Democrat side on giving illegals a Pathway to Stay. In short, he's a Compassionate Conservative with, judging by his "filibuster," a big bladder. Posted by: MrScribbler at August 10, 2015 08:25 AM (0atQl) 245 Love for America. Doing what's needed to make America great again. Build a fence first. No action on amnesty until that's done. Heck make the people who want to become legal work on the Fence. Redoing deals and doing them better in the first place. Put America First. Put the American worker first. No Sanctuary cities. Stuff like that. THEY ALL say that. Even Jeb says "build the fence first" even though we all know he favors amnesty anyway. Which one has said "I'm totally in favor of sanctuary cities" or "I'm totally in favor of putting America last"? Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:25 AM (2XMpf) 246 18-year-old Tyrone Harris (FOMB) shoots at police in Ferguson, gets shot right back for his troubles. Is this going to become an annual reenactment? (Friend Of Mike Brown) Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at August 10, 2015 08:25 AM (NeFrd) 247 I will vote for Trump if he becomes the Republican nominee. I he goes third party and there's no acceptable R candidate I will not vote, because Trump going third party will throw the race to the Democratic candidate. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2015 08:26 AM (OSs/l) 248 It looks like Ewick wanted a nice little GOPe-fest and decided to limit the competition. Let's hope the blowback is thorough, slightly wet, and 100% bovine. Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 10, 2015 08:26 AM (oVJmc) 249 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 08:21 AM (qCMvj) I think he loves this country and hates to see what we've become and are becoming. Plus it's not good for business. Not CoC business but real business. Business that looks to make money by doing stuff and not business that looks to get a leg up by being with the government. I could be wrong though. (surprising ain't it) Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 08:27 AM (x3GpS) 250 Nice pix of the states. Thx for posting the link. Posted by: Y-not on the phone at August 10, 2015 08:27 AM (RWGcK) 251 235 >> What serious reforms has Trump proposed about, well, anything? Simplified tax plan, for one. Four brackets, no deductions, everyone pays something if they have income. Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2015 08:27 AM (gyKtp) 252 Quit laying out a your qualifications and get up in front of people and tell them where you want the country to go. What is Trump's bold vision for this country? Build a wall? Okay, yeah he's in favor of building a wall. They ALL say they're in favor of building a wall. Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:27 AM (2XMpf) 253 At what point do you say "okay, Trump's time is up, he has done his job and now it is time for me to consider a 'serious' candidate"? That appears to be English, but I don't understand those words as written. Serious candidate? For what? Lying to me? Stabbing me in the back? Bending over and offering up his balloon knot to the dems? Posted by: rickb223 at August 10, 2015 08:27 AM (TtorR) 254 You're welcome; May you have a blessed day, Y-Not. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2015 08:28 AM (OSs/l) 255 >>>I don't know where Trump stands on taxation, >>What serious reforms has Trump proposed about, well, anything? Reforming Simplifying the Tax Code 5-10-15% Google Trump on the issues. Posted by: some random meathead at August 10, 2015 08:29 AM (N2PoX) 256 >>Not CoC business but real business. Business that looks to make money by doing stuff and not business that looks to get a leg up by being with the government. But that is exactly how Trump made a lot of his money, by working hand in glove with government. Yes, yes, I know he said he would stop all that. He says a lot of things. Trump is channelling anger at DC and the current state of affairs. That's pretty understandable. What is odd is that it would almost be impossible to find a more flawed messenger given his previous positions on a very wide range of issues. Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2015 08:30 AM (OGm46) 257 Serious candidate? For what? Lying to me? Stabbing me in the back? Bending over and offering up his balloon knot to the dems? Posted by: rickb223 at August 10, 2015 08:27 AM (TtorR) We have seen what happens when you have an underqualified guy who is buoyed into office on a cult of personality. Trump's gonna lie to you and stab you in the back too. Why do you think he's different? Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:30 AM (2XMpf) 258 The alternative to Mitt was a closeted homosexual crypto-Commie Muslim-sympathizing grievance-monger bent on destroying the greatest nation on earth in service to his left-wing ideology and his ego. And the electorate preferred him, because he was the fucking incumbent, who had spent four years making lots of noises about his plans to take money from people he doesn't like and give it to people who vote for him--and actually had a track record of this. I went to the zoo yesterday. I touched the sharks and fed the giraffe and got felt up by a flamingo. I watched the baby elephants play in the water and the baby dolphin play with his mom and the orangutans play peek-a-boo with some blankets. And then I got in line to order a hot dog, and the woman behind me was bitching about going to the local hospital system's primary care instead of her friend's obstetrician because the private doctor wouldn't take her "benefits", and when I was waiting for my dog she bought a $10 Coke with cash. I won't say that ruined my day (the headache from the heat exhaustion was worse), but I thought about all our conversations here about how the America of the Founders is dead and gone and never coming back, and yeah, it's never coming back. Posted by: HR trinkt Gin at August 10, 2015 08:31 AM (rHXGG) 259 EE's disinviting him looks petty. EE, like MK, made the story be about the them. News orgs becoming the story is unprofessional. Posted by: dogfish at August 10, 2015 08:22 AM (jWtyG) Not inviting Ben Carson was also insane. He attacked him with a lie. This Erickson guy is sick. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 08:33 AM (qCMvj) 260 >>>> What is Trump's bold vision for this country? >>> shrug� What is Walker's bold vision for this country? What is Cruz's bold vision for this country? chemjeff, were you a Romney supporter? Posted by: some random meathead at August 10, 2015 08:33 AM (92YAX) 261 I think it's wonderful you went to the zoo and enjoyed the animals. I'm sorry that you got heat exhaustion and a headache. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2015 08:34 AM (OSs/l) 262 We have seen what happens when you have an underqualified guy who is buoyed into office on a cult of personality. Trump's gonna lie to you and stab you in the back too. Why do you think he's different? Why do you think the professional politicians wont? Posted by: rickb223 at August 10, 2015 08:34 AM (TtorR) 263 So you wonder how the "Party" can control the pick? There are several ways. The biggest is what we have been living with for decades. Liberal blue States go first in the primaries thus squeezing out the conservative candidates who the "party" hates. Second, like the Democrats, the Republicans also have what is known as "super delegates". These are delegates who are appointed to the nominating convention solely based on their Party status and who have additional voting power. Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 08:34 AM (GpgJl) 264 What is Trump's bold vision for this country? Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:27 AM* Look, we don't need a "bold vision" at the moment. They're a dime a dozen; hell, even Jimmuh Carter had one. I would be content with eight years of undoing Choom Boy's disasters -- start with Iran and work your way down, using that pen and phone to rescind every executive order of the previous regime (start with immigration) -- and, as a bonus, some kind of move toward a sensible economic policy. If the guy in the Oval Office is Trump (I know, I know) we can expect Congress to spend their time pssing and moaning. Which is admirably suited to them. After that, we can get on the Let's Get America Moving Again train. But first, some "normalcy." Posted by: MrScribbler at August 10, 2015 08:35 AM (0atQl) 265 18-year-old Tyrone Harris (FOMB) shoots at police in Ferguson, gets shot right back for his troubles. Is this going to become an annual reenactment? Have the usual suspects told us how this is all the fault of white people who've never set foot in Ferguson yet? Posted by: HR trinkt Gin at August 10, 2015 08:36 AM (rHXGG) 266 Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:17 AM I would say that I am neutral on Trump and the rest of the field except for !Yeb who is a tool. I think I see what he is doing. I've seen similar things, strategy, whatever done in business or really more in a industry or sector. The rules, laws, regs or contracts calcify. Usually over long periods of time and everyone either gets used to it, accepts it, or is beaten into the square peg. It is inefficient, rigged, harmful or set up so that only the chosen can benefit. Then some asshole kicks over the beehive and everyone is confused, angry, "you can't do that!", etc. Even if they fail they started the movement towards getting out of the comfort, safety for some, closed bidding, etc. That is what I see Trump doing. What is the risk to him personally. Not that much I would say. What is the prize or reward? A lot. He is a risk taker. And he is pissing off the closed bidders who have rigged everything to their own narrow and greedy benefit. So in a way he has already won and changed a lot. Would he be worse than Obama who is a inside dealer? No. I think Trump is a kingmaker. Or president maker. Posted by: Lester at August 10, 2015 08:36 AM (2UPXV) 267 >>>>>> Isn't is interesting that the people who complain about Trump's lack of decorum are perfectly fine with the questions asked of him by Kelly? Then they get upset when Trump dishes it back out. >>>>>> TDS is real. I have seen it. Posted by: some random meathead at August 10, 2015 08:37 AM (92YAX) 268 Build a wall? Okay, yeah he's in favor of building a wall. They ALL say they're in favor of building a wall. Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:27 AM (2XMpf) Actually, I would be willing to bet that at least half of them have at one time used the line "If you build a 20 foot fence all you're going to do is create a market for 21 foot ladders." - or some variation thereof. I know* that Perry has said it. Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 10, 2015 08:37 AM (nFdGS) 269 11 ways of showing blessing to God including a fine one-keeping a blessing journal. http://tinyurl.com/nd3gk6w From the good folks at the LDS Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2015 08:37 AM (OSs/l) 270 >>> The way to beat Trump is to ignore him, not attack him. True for any candidate. Except Jebbers, apparently. And Santorum and Kasich and Carson and Pataki. O wait, maybe that's not true at all. Posted by: Bigby's Floating Finger Sausage at August 10, 2015 08:38 AM (3ZtZW) 271 Trump is the wastebasket into which I can throw my vote. If the GOP (and the other candidates) want to keep me from throwing it into the Trump bin, they can stand up and win me over and give me a positive reason to do so. Right now they're simply trying to take away any other options than to vote for the McConnell/Boehner Party. Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 10, 2015 08:38 AM (oVJmc) 272 I think it's wonderful you went to the zoo and enjoyed the animals. I'm sorry that you got heat exhaustion and a headache. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2015 08:34 AM I agree with Fenelon, HR. At worst, a zoo visit is kinda like watching C-Span in the open air. Posted by: MrScribbler at August 10, 2015 08:39 AM (0atQl) 273 260 >>>> What is Trump's bold vision for this country? >>> shrug What is Walker's bold vision for this country? What is Cruz's bold vision for this country? chemjeff, were you a Romney supporter? Posted by: some random meathead at August 10, 2015 08:33 AM (92YAX) But you all are complaining that other candidates aren't presenting their 'bold visions' for the country and that is why Trump is so preferable at the moment. I don't see much vision from Trump to be honest. I see bold claims and terrible ideas but I don't see vision. Yes I supported Romney as the least bad candidate after everyone else had melted down. I never thought he was a "severe" conservative but at least I knew he was a decent man. And no I don't blame "the base" for "staying home" or whatnot. Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:39 AM (2XMpf) 274 If the GOP (and the other candidates) want to keep me from throwing it into the Trump bin, they can stand up and win me over and give me a positive reason to do so. What would a GOP candidate have to do in order to win you over? Pledge to build a wall? They all pledge to build a wall. Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:40 AM (2XMpf) 275 Actually, I would be willing to bet that at least half of them have at one time used the line "If you build a 20 foot fence all you're going to do is create a market for 21 foot ladders." - or some variation thereof. I know* that Perry has said it. Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 10, 2015 08:37 AM (nFdGS) Well of course you need MORE than just a wall. THAT alone won't solve the illegal immigration problem. I can easily imagine that people like Perry (and myself) get irritated by those who think that all you need to do is build a wall and that's that. Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:41 AM (2XMpf) 276 At what point do you say "okay, Trump's time is up, he has done his job and now it is time for me to consider a 'serious' candidate"? What is the end goal here? Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:17 AM (2XMpf) Again, we should be using Trump as the knife in a game of mumbly-peg with the GOPe. give him enough support to keep him going, closer and closer to the Nom until we get what we want from the GOPe. And if we don't get what we want? Fine. Let the nominee be Trump. If the choice is Trump, Jeb! Kasich the Jeb! Margarine, the "I Can't Believe It's Not Jeb!" candidate Hillary I'd rather have Trump. Those GOPe and their cronies want to gorge at the trough in Washington- well, to do that and conduct business as usual they need a Jeb! or Jeb!-like substance. What do you think all of this "we have to prove we can govern" baloney barfing out of Boehner's and McConnell's mouth's is all about? Proving they can and will deliver to cronies and the connected. That has to stop. That being said Cruz is my guy. then Carly and Walker. But, it's up to them to step up. Posted by: naturalfake at August 10, 2015 08:41 AM (KUa85) 277 Local cherub brutally gunned down by fascist police (while making the less-than-optimal choice to shoot at civilians, then ram the squad car with the car he just stole). http://is.gd/aHVwQi Posted by: HR trinkt Gin at August 10, 2015 08:42 AM (rHXGG) 278 That being said Cruz is my guy. then Carly and Walker. But, it's up to them to step up. Posted by: naturalfake at August 10, 2015 08:41 AM (KUa85) I agree that the DC GOP has been way too get-along-go-along. They should be challenging the Democrats a lot more with veto threats and the like. What would they have to do to sufficiently "step up" in your view? Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:42 AM (2XMpf) 279 A good portion of an election is the Beauty Queen aspect. It's a popularity poll. We may not have any rational reasons for picking one over the other. But we certainly know who we "don't like the looks of" and who we "like the looks of that one". I like Trump's bombast and unapologetic directness. He's not wishy washy (until you want specifics (heh)) about what he feels and it's akilter from what everyone else is saying. I thought I'd like Walker. But he has no charisma. I actually thought Rubio looked good but he's a one note johnny and I can't trust him. Jeb's okay too and I might vote for him if not for his brother and father already having the position. Cruz is my 2nd choice right now. Carson needs to get serious and get fired up or he's gone. (he may linger on so the GOPe doesn't look bad) Paul is desperate and whiny. Crispy lost me with his hugs and grins meeting the O. Huckabee actually said some good stuff but he's a squish and unelectable with most of the country. Kasich is a ringer. He's the GOPe's backup and destroyer running interference for Jeb. The only one who amuses me and gets me fired up is Trump. Trump/Cruz 2016 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 08:42 AM (x3GpS) 280 chemjeff: "They all pledge to build a wall." No, they don't. Some talk of ladders, others of tunnels. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2015 08:42 AM (1CroS) 281 Again, we should be using Trump as the knife in a game of West Side Story. Posted by: rickb223 at August 10, 2015 08:43 AM (TtorR) 282 What was Ronald Reagan's bold vision? Defeating the Russians and lowering taxes. What is Trumps bold vision? Building a wall and generally ending illegal immigration and jobs. Do not underestimate this simplistic approach. Posted by: Kreplach at August 10, 2015 08:43 AM (JbETL) 283 "...gun battle...climaxed when one of the suspects involved opened fire on plainclothes detectives before being pursued and shot by the officers after a day of peaceful protests..." ***** I see a whole new ad campaign: I don't always shoot at cops after a day of peaceful protesting, but when I do, I prefer Smith & Wesson. /The most interesting protestor in the world. Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at August 10, 2015 08:43 AM (NeFrd) 284 The "fence/wall" is still a red herring. Perry is right on that 21 foot ladder crap. The ONLY way we will stop the illegal migration is start jailing people that hire them, and if caught in other activities, the illegals are shipped to Argentina in a garbage scow. Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 08:43 AM (GpgJl) 285 But you all are complaining that other candidates aren't presenting their 'bold visions' for the country.... Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:39 AM Actually , my complaint has nothing to do with the "Bold Vision" shortage. It's that the vast majority of the wannabes are comfortable with the entitled, pampered life of a D.C. political hack, and they will kiss any ass and spout any poll-tested pablum to continue to revel in it. In short, the candidate who has ANY vision beyond what's in it for themselves is head and shoulders above the rest. Posted by: MrScribbler at August 10, 2015 08:44 AM (0atQl) 286 I like Trump's bombast and unapologetic directness. But he is bombastic and unapologetically direct about very unconservative things, like single-payer health care and buying/selling politicians! THAT is what I utterly fail to understand. I totally understand that you want a guy who will shout and make everyone listen. I want that too. But doesn't it matter at least a little bit what he is shouting ABOUT? Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:45 AM (2XMpf) 287 all you need to do is build a wall and that's that. Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:41 AM (2XMpf) It would be a good fcuking start. Just ask the Jews how effective a wall is. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 08:46 AM (x3GpS) 288 No, they don't. Some talk of ladders, others of tunnels. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2015 08:42 AM (1CroS) Yeah actually they do. They all pledge to build a wall. Some pledges are more honest than others though. I wouldn't trust Jeb or Rubio to be building any walls, but I know they are pledging to do it. Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:46 AM (2XMpf) 289 da dump Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 08:47 AM (GpgJl) 290 "Actually, I would be willing to bet that at least half of them have at one time used the line "If you build a 20 foot fence all you're going to do is create a market for 21 foot ladders." - or some variation thereof. I know that Perry has said it." And yet people still build fencers for heir houses even though people can climb them. . A fence for a house or a border is not 100% effective but it will keep out all but the most determined criminal. and trespassers. A 90% reduction is a hell of a lot better that no reduction at all and the remaining 10% can be more easily manged by other means. Those that make that argument intentionally ignore this obvious truth. Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at August 10, 2015 08:47 AM (1BQGO) 291 286 Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:45 AM (2XMpf) Dude, I think you are conflating Trump's platform/beliefs with Trump's PRESENCE in the process. I have my doubts about the former, but I sure as hell am digging the latter. Et vous? Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 10, 2015 08:47 AM (St6BJ) 292 Well of course you need MORE than just a wall. THAT alone won't solve the illegal immigration problem. I can easily imagine that people like Perry (and myself) get irritated by those who think that all you need to do is build a wall and that's that. Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:41 AM (2XMpf) That's one of the worst strawmen I have ever seen. No one is making the argument that just building the fence does it. But not building the fence ensures that we don't even get started in securing the borders. And those who use the x+1 ladder argument are just trying to deflect from the issue either because they are not serious about fixing the problem or they are fine with the status quo. Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 10, 2015 08:47 AM (nFdGS) 293 They ALL say they're in favor of building a wall. Not really. They mostly speak in vague platitudes about, "Well, of course before we can ~~do what want to do (blanket amnesty)~~ deal with anything else, we have to ~~fool you idiot bigots~~ secure the border." "Secure the border" is an empty soundbite. It's no more meaningful than "we need to cut the waste fraud and abuse in our entitlement programs." The only one who has actually put even a little substance on a plan to secure the border is, ironically, Rubio. Posted by: V the K at August 10, 2015 08:48 AM (O7MnT) 294 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 08:46 AM (x3GpS) I AGREE that it would be a good start. I support a wall too. Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:48 AM (2XMpf) 295 I am not in the "Trump bin" But I cannot be bothered by any slights to Ms Kelly or Trump about such minor things When our own President says in a speech something far far worse and gets completely ignored Posted by: ThunderB at August 10, 2015 08:48 AM (zOTsN) 296 Thanks, Fenelon. And I figure the headache was my own fault--didn't have enough coffee before I left. At worst, a zoo visit is kinda like watching C-Span in the open air. I'm going to the Iowa State Fair next Sunday. This should be good, in an awful way. Posted by: HR trinkt Gin at August 10, 2015 08:48 AM (rHXGG) 297 The reason I'm on Team Trump? November 2014. We went balls to the wall, elected more R's, won the HoR and Senate. Then, BEFORE they are seated, we see capitulation to the defeated party. Sorry. I'm done with the "professional" R party. Trump 2016 or I'll be hog hunting that day. Posted by: rickb223 at August 10, 2015 08:49 AM (TtorR) 298 chemjeff hope I didn't come off as being a douche. I have appreciated your comments over the years . I would.like to hear a candidate adopt the bold vision of the Founding Fathers and see a plan to reduce government and expand liberty to match that original vision.. Trump.as.the GOP Nightmare/Let It Burn candidate maybe more about a cleansing and renewing fire versus the last 8 years of smelly,hellish chaotic meltdown. Posted by: some random meathead at August 10, 2015 08:49 AM (9QUPT) 299 The difference, in some respect, is that he is not in DC, where there is a Stupid, Self-Centered, Greedy, Power-Hungry Bubble wrapped around the zone. But he is based in NY, another one with that bubble frothing all over the city. I wonder where he is tapping into this from... Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2015 08:21 AM (qCMvj) I have asked this before: Name one major city that is not as you have described? So, where else is he gonna live? Burr Oak, Indiana? Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 10, 2015 08:50 AM (HZ31b) 300 Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:45 AM (2XMpf) You're not really looking for answers. You're just looking for things to argue against and shoot down. Showing us Trumpsters how stupid we are and how bad cheering for Trump is. Or whatever is your aim. Right now, I don't really have a reason other than I like him and what he's doing and I reserve the right to change my mind in an instant. But for right now cheering him isn't doing a bit of harm to anyone. Except the GOPe and those who think they've got the answers and who think mine are wrong. I don't want to argue with anyone here cause I'm not looking to change anyone's mind. Neither should anyone else be. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 08:51 AM (x3GpS) 301 A 90% reduction is a hell of a lot better that no reduction at all and the remaining 10% can be more easily manged by other means. Fleet of quadcopters with cameras. The camera on the walls shows an incursion, you follow them with the drone until human agents can get to their location. Posted by: HR trinkt Gin at August 10, 2015 08:52 AM (rHXGG) 302 If you build a 20 foot fence all you're going to do is create a market for 21 foot ladders." Talk about begging the question. Have you ever been shot at on a 21 foot ladder? Gives you something to think about, let me just say. Posted by: Stringer Davis at August 10, 2015 08:56 AM (xq1UY) 303 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 08:51 AM (x3GpS) Fair enough. You're in it for the theater. Perhaps I take it more seriously. I can't support a guy who favors single-payer health care even if he gives me secret pleasure in tormenting my enemies. I just can't. Single-payer health care is absolutely wrong in so many ways. And I just can't see anything in Trump but a self-promoter. I think most of what he does is all about him trying to find a way to make himself the center of attention. To me that is the exact opposite of what a president should be. Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:57 AM (2XMpf) 304 Build a wall.Enforce the fucking laws.Deport all illegals. Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2015 08:57 AM (sPO3u) 305 Posted by: some random meathead at August 10, 2015 08:49 AM (9QUPT) No harm no foul Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:57 AM (2XMpf) 306 Building a fence is not only about building a fence it's about the message it sends. We are serious about our sovreignty. Posted by: Kreplach at August 10, 2015 08:58 AM (JbETL) 307 THEY ALL say that. Even Jeb says "build the fence first" even though we all know he favors amnesty anyway. Which one has said "I'm totally in favor of sanctuary cities" or "I'm totally in favor of putting America last"? Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:25 AM (2XMpf) That's the point. They say it but no one believes them. People what the "We are going to secure the border" and nothing else. They want to see the border secure, employers getting closed, and some deportations before they want to discuss the one already here. Trump's, we'll build the wall and discuss the rest later is what people want to hear and want done. Posted by: WOPR at August 10, 2015 08:58 AM (nRvEn) 308 they could invent something like the stuff they're using in SF to repel the pee? Only this would be a coating (teflon?) that would repel anyone climbing it. The fence has to work without power or patrolling (there'll be some patrolling but you can't depend on that). It needs to probably be and "In depth" fence. Two separate fences so as to thwart any way of bypassing it. Must be non lethal and be very difficult to climb or get over or under mechanically. Patrols would be used to prevent long term attacks. And let's be honest. If there wasn't a big population of business owners who are willing to hire illegals, there wouldn't be this influx. That's another place to start enforcement. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 08:58 AM (x3GpS) 309 280 chemjeff: "They all pledge to build a wall." No, they don't. Some talk of ladders, others of tunnels. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2015 08:42 AM (1CroS) And moats with alligators. Posted by: TFG at August 10, 2015 08:59 AM (HZ31b) 310 Putting up walls and barriers only solves part of the problem. You also have to deal with visa-overstayers; that's about 40% of illegal immigrants. You also have to deal with chain-migration. One anchor baby can bring in thirty or forty aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and cousins. Posted by: V the K at August 10, 2015 09:00 AM (O7MnT) 311 If either Trump or Cruz makes GOPe heads explode - imagine what a Trump/Cruz ticket would do. It would be like watching kernels of pop corn in a microwave oven. Posted by: An Observation at August 10, 2015 09:00 AM (ITJ2R) 312 Posted by: HR trinkt Gin at August 10, 2015 08:48 AM (rHXGG) I love state fairs and summer Agricultural/4H fairs- period / I like looking at all the farm animals (Yes, we have farm animals and farms in NJ :^) I like the crazy looking hens with feathers on their head so that they look like a poultry version of Beethoven. I lie the rabbits of all different colors. I like the pig races. I like the quilts. I enjoy the foods you can't get any other time. If I were there I'd enjoy going with you. What do you line best about the fair? I hope you have a wonderful time. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 10, 2015 09:00 AM (OSs/l) 313 Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:57 AM (2XMpf) Glad to hear you're more principled than I am and that you'll stand at the gate defying the Gods of Farce to spread your message far and wide; I'M FCUKING SERIOUS, BITCHES!!!!! Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 10, 2015 09:01 AM (x3GpS) 314 The bureaucracy and the regulatory agencies all Democrat enclaves that need to be cleaned out.As is the military leadership after 8 years of Obama getting rid of the good and promoting the bad. Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2015 09:01 AM (sPO3u) 315 HR trinkt Gin: "The camera on the walls shows an incursion... Speaking of which, Perry started (was pretty much forced to) an experimental plan during the Bush Amnesty push when he saw DC get hammered with anger/frustration. He initiated a volunteer border watching system just before his election. One of those people-replacing, technical options. It was working. The public was calling in and helping Border Patrol. For free. A couple of months after his reelection, Perry abandoned the experiment. Quelle surprise. So Perry is explicitly FoS WRT border control. He'll do enough to appear serious at opportune times, but he will not follow through. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2015 09:02 AM (1CroS) 316 310 The anchor baby BS has to be done away with.This idea that you can cross the border and drop a baby and that makes it automatically American has to go. Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2015 09:03 AM (sPO3u) 317 The alternative to Mitt was a closeted homosexual crypto-Commie Muslim-sympathizing grievance-monger bent on destroying the greatest nation on earth in service to his left-wing ideology and his ego. And the electorate preferred him, because he was the fucking incumbent, who had spent four years making lots of noises about his plans to take money from people he doesn't like and give it to people who vote for him--and actually had a track record of this. I went to the zoo yesterday. I touched the sharks and fed the giraffe and got felt up by a flamingo. I watched the baby elephants play in the water and the baby dolphin play with his mom and the orangutans play peek-a-boo with some blankets. And then I got in line to order a hot dog, and the woman behind me was bitching about going to the local hospital system's primary care instead of her friend's obstetrician because the private doctor wouldn't take her "benefits", and when I was waiting for my dog she bought a $10 Coke with cash. I won't say that ruined my day (the headache from the heat exhaustion was worse), but I thought about all our conversations here about how the America of the Founders is dead and gone and never coming back, and yeah, it's never coming back. Posted by: HR trinkt Gin at August 10, 2015 08:31 AM (rHXGG) Exactly right.....The FSA on maneuvers. Posted by: Zombie Spiro Agnew at August 10, 2015 09:06 AM (D0NZx) 318 What would they have to do to sufficiently "step up" in your view? Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2015 08:42 AM (2XMpf) Well, Cruz is playing a smart game and using the time he gets to speak pretty well. His problem is going to be that the media is going to keep asking him "Does God speak to you?" type questions over and over to paint him as a religious nut and deny him time to address issues. At some point, he needs to either find a short answer to that type of question then roll on to whatever issue he wants to talk about or push back on the very nature of the question itself. Then Cruz needs to start addressing the border in a substantiative way. Carly says the right generalities but I have yet to hear hard policy ideas from her. Again border. Amnesty, H1Bs taking away American jobs, etc. Walker, frankly I like that he has shifted on amnesty and why - he recognizes that a politician should be a servant of the people. But, again hard policy on the border. And he needs to drop the sleepy guy act - his second half of the debate was quite good, his first half zzzzzzzzz. Again, if the GOP really wants to get rid of Trump, they need to ask all of the candidates hard border policy questions and bore down- it will eliminate Trump probably but also Jeb! and most of their Jeb!-manques. Posted by: naturalfake at August 10, 2015 09:08 AM (KUa85) 319 The "fence/wall" is still a red herring. Perry is right on that 21 foot ladder crap. The ONLY way we will stop the illegal migration is start jailing people that hire them, and if caught in other activities, the illegals are shipped to Argentina in a garbage scow. Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2015 08:43 AM (GpgJl) No, Perry isn't right. No one thinks that just building the wall is enough. Of course you need to man it. But you need a lot fewer people to man a wall than not having a wall. And of course you need interior enforcement. The ladder rebuttal is a way to get lost in the details at best and at worst a stupid way to say a wall doesn't work. Posted by: WOPR at August 10, 2015 09:37 AM (nRvEn) 320 Somebody needs to tell the secret service there are ladders taller than the White House fence. Posted by: irright at August 10, 2015 02:12 PM (8GKDa) 321 Yeah, remember that whole "crimes not being reported" thing the next time you hear someone saying the illegal immigrant crime rate, or the black on white crime rate, or the Democrat run city crime rate is getting lower. Posted by: SDN at August 10, 2015 08:44 PM (p/ktF) (Jump to top of page) Name: * Email: * URL: Comments: Processing 0.02, elapsed 0.0394 seconds. 14 queries taking 0.0145 seconds, 329 records returned. Page size 196 kb. Powered by Minx 0.8 beta.	MuNuvians MeeNuvians Polls! Polls! Polls! Real Clear Politics Gallup Frequently Asked Questions What is the Deal with the Cowbell? Why is the Ace of Spades called "the Death Card"? 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